| 00:00.00 | autojack | oh, the moblock ones can go, period |
| 00:00.03 | autojack | I don't use moblock anymore |
| 00:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... that's one of those one-program repo? |
| 00:00.08 | autojack | yeah |
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| 00:00.16 | astomith | i'm trying to install cryptsetup and lvm2. although the install of the packages is ok, update-initramfs freeze, at different stages, everytime when is trying to add some agp module. is there anything i can do to get over this thing? |
| 00:00.23 | autojack | ok one sec. |
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| 00:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, I confused that with another lenny mirror, not the security or dmm ones :) |
| 00:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the "sourceforge" didn't register |
| 00:00.53 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, sourceforge, 3rd party software |
| 00:01.10 | p3rror | hello i use empathy |
| 00:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, delete/comment the sid line |
| 00:01.20 | autojack | done |
| 00:01.22 | p3rror | and i can not establish a call with my msn account |
| 00:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | p3rror, really... so how do I feel right now? |
| 00:01.46 | autojack | ok I know I've tried to fix this before and failedL GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 00:03.01 | titan8990 | autojack: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 00:03.04 | titan8990 | autojack: or reinstall |
| 00:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 00:03.18 | plus | does the debian netinstall iso have wireless drivers? Specifically madwifi? |
| 00:03.23 | titan8990 | isn't that the dev one? |
| 00:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, ha - I had that one 1st, too - but that's for archives.debian.org if I'm not mistaken |
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| 00:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if in doubt, install both :) |
| 00:04.19 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: debian-keyring is not installed on my server |
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| 00:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you're right |
| 00:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | neither on mine |
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| 00:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | then debian-archive-keyring must be it... |
| 00:05.09 | autojack | ok so what do I do with apt-show-versions? it prints a huge list. grepping it for 'sid' comes up with nothing. |
| 00:05.12 | fant0m_ | i can't remember for grub2... |
| 00:05.19 | fant0m_ | for resolution on boot |
| 00:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, also grep for unstable and testing |
| 00:05.48 | fant0m_ | in /etc/grub.d/40_custom gfxwebdelay=resolution or what? |
| 00:05.53 | autojack | nothing for either of those. |
| 00:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, also squeeze... also can't hurt to look at a 100 or so lines to see if there's some other thing worthwhile to grep for that we forgot |
| 00:06.03 | Saar_ | how can i remove a package thats left from an oldstable when certain files have been deleted by hand? |
| 00:06.23 | Saar_ | say it says fatal: cooud not open /lib/modules/... |
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| 00:06.31 | autojack | how about grep -v lenny :) |
| 00:07.16 | Saar_ | i'm trying things like dpkg -force-all -P name |
| 00:07.34 | themill | autojack: "aptitude search ~o" might be helpful at this stage |
| 00:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, how about apt-show-versions |awk '/\//{print $1}'|sed 'sX.*/XX' |sort -u |
| 00:07.55 | Saar_ | in this case its an old linux-modules package |
| 00:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or what themill said... although I find that more cryptic than mine :-P |
| 00:08.06 | autojack | it shows a lot of "newer than version in archive," "installed: no available version in archive" |
| 00:08.20 | autojack | and it's giving me 267 lines of output. |
| 00:08.25 | autojack | so I figure it's ~267 packages :) |
| 00:09.11 | autojack | not sure what this aptitude search ~o output is telling me... |
| 00:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | my line gives you that? I only get lenny/lenny-backports/stable/testing/unstable |
| 00:09.19 | larrikin | I'm having issues with hal & xorg with the keyboard .. hitting ctrl-alt-backspace works as intended, but any other key seems to produce a change of resolution, ie. keymapping is screwed.. |
| 00:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is because I got some python scripts from testing/unstable) |
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| 00:10.12 | autojack | no, themill's does |
| 00:10.26 | autojack | sorry hold on |
| 00:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar_, guess you need to re-create the directories? |
| 00:10.45 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: yours gives me "lenny" :) |
| 00:10.56 | autojack | so maybe I don't have any sid packages installed... |
| 00:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar_, judging from the error, the script just sees the failure to go there and craps out? |
| 00:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, well, so you're good... just upgrade to lenny |
| 00:11.41 | autojack | but it looks like I already have lenny! hah. |
| 00:11.46 | autojack | what am I seeing exactly? |
| 00:11.51 | autojack | just that I have a ton of stale packages? |
| 00:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, where are you looking :) |
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| 00:12.13 | autojack | well I mean, if it's not telling me I have any packages from other releases, what's the problem? |
| 00:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, what *is* your problem? |
| 00:12.50 | autojack | it WAS that upgrading my kernel and video driver caused Xorg to refuse to work. |
| 00:13.17 | jzacsh | hello all :) |
| 00:13.19 | autojack | now aptitude has fully uninstalled gdm, among a lot of other things. |
| 00:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | <autojack> last night I upgraded my kernel and nvidia drivers on my Debian system from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26 using the Debian packages. now Xorg won't start, and it's giving this error: "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" but lsmod shows the nvidia module loaded. anyone know why this would be? |
| 00:13.44 | autojack | right. |
| 00:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how about you upgrade to lenny first... |
| 00:13.58 | autojack | yeah, sounds good. |
| 00:14.02 | autojack | do I just to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:14.10 | titan8990 | autojack: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:14.15 | autojack | okay. |
| 00:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etchtolenny |
| 00:14.18 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 00:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^^ dpkg says you should do safe-upgrade before full-upgrade |
| 00:15.07 | autojack | zounds |
| 00:15.11 | autojack | 579 packages upgraded, 73 newly installed, 32 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:15.12 | autojack | Need to get 632MB/633MB of archives. After unpacking 74.9MB will be used. |
| 00:15.26 | autojack | ok, I didn't proceed with the full-upgrade. |
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| 00:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you're not starting from etch... still :) |
| 00:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that probably won't solve your initial problem, but at least it's not testing from 2 years back anymore |
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| 00:17.04 | autojack | yeah fair enough. |
| 00:17.22 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: are you doing this in the order recommended by the upgrade guide? |
| 00:17.26 | autojack | I should totally be packing right now. |
| 00:17.38 | autojack | jhutchins_lt: I'm doing it in the order that dpkg just blabbed to the channel. |
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| 00:17.53 | autojack | (leaving for my wedding/honeymoon in 4 hours) |
| 00:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: Good, close enough. |
| 00:18.01 | autojack | though I am basically packed |
| 00:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: HA! |
| 00:18.15 | autojack | hehe |
| 00:18.18 | autojack | priorities right? |
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| 00:18.46 | autojack | well I was hoping to do one thing for my future brother in law... which required handbrake... which is how I fell down this shithole last night. |
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| 00:19.08 | autojack | I do so hate when the desire to install one package triggers a total meltdown of my system. |
| 00:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | Just one little... thirty hours later. |
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| 00:19.19 | autojack | seriously dude. |
| 00:19.34 | autojack | I will say that this is why I stopped using Linux as a desktop OS, even though I realize that at least in this case, it was my fault :) |
| 00:19.58 | autojack | then again I also have learned not to use ports/fink on MacOS |
| 00:20.20 | jimcooncat | I'm looking for a replacement for apt-cacher; would like to partially mirror repos, whitelist apps so I can test packages before moving them into a production repository. Also want to have a personal repository in there. I'm looking at apt-move, but not sure that fits the bill. |
| 00:20.41 | jimcooncat | kinda to avoid your situation autojack |
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| 00:21.30 | unomi | hi, quick question, how do you guys feel about wikipedia covering foss projects? |
| 00:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... to your original problem - I wonder if the error means the kernel module or the xorg module. |
| 00:21.54 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: his problem was going very long periods without updating and having ustable in his sources |
| 00:22.27 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I wonder about that. it isn't very clear. I don't get the concept of xorg modules. I thought there was just xorg and your video driver, i.e. the nvidia one in my case. |
| 00:22.48 | autojack | I will say incidentally, that this channel is the reason why I use Debian. people in here are very helpful :) |
| 00:22.50 | jimcooncat | titan8990: sometimes the best solution is the hardest to come to grips with, total hd wipe |
| 00:22.51 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: you can use apt-mirror to make a local repo, and just update off of that |
| 00:23.17 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: but it may not give you the level of control you want. I believe there are detailed guides around for writting scripts to do such a thing |
| 00:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | unomi, should we feel anything about it? ... also |
| 00:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !polls |
| 00:23.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 00:24.13 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 00:24.24 | unomi | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know.. I suppose that I feel that wikipedia can be a fairly good place for collecting information on various projects |
| 00:24.39 | unomi | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a similar resource? |
| 00:24.58 | jimcooncat | titan8990: Yes, I'm looking at some of the mirroring packages, but I'm surprised that there isn't a more ready-made answer for custom deployment; my own testing and stable repository based on package versions I've vetted; even personal backports |
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| 00:25.38 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: there could be and I am just not aware |
| 00:25.56 | jimcooncat | titan8990: that link looks like a worthy competitor, thanks |
| 00:25.56 | unomi | CutMeOwnThroat: consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 00:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | unomi, wikipedia doesn't contain knowlege that isn't accessible somewhere else as well, though... and I'd say most projects do their own documentation (or they don't) |
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| 00:26.30 | autojack | if this process hoses my Xorg config I shall be very sad |
| 00:26.40 | unomi | CutMeOwnThroat: true, but this information is often dispersed over a variety of sources, reading up on the history of some projects for example can be difficult |
| 00:26.50 | titan8990 | jimcooncat: anytime |
| 00:27.12 | autojack | lots of packages installing... |
| 00:27.41 | jimcooncat | unomi: I love the fact wikipedia's there, and I use it often to look for links to new technologies. You have to take the articles with large doses of salt, of course. But this isn't a real topic for #debian, is it? |
| 00:27.48 | titan8990 | autojack: nvidia-xconfig makes a backup prior to writting a new xorg.conf. if you have special xorg.conf settings, that might not be desirable |
| 00:28.01 | titan8990 | autojack: i would not be suprised if its upgrading *all* of them |
| 00:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: The thing is that you can pretty much always fix the xorg setup from the console, while the reverse is not true. |
| 00:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, so you rebooted the new kernel, but had the old xorg... how did you install nvidia modules into the new kernel? They're not coming with it |
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| 00:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: You can also do pretty much everything from the console without xorg. |
| 00:29.17 | unomi | jimcooncat: I bring it up because an article for a window manager is up for deletion, due to the fact that there is no coverage in 'reliable sources', in this case newspapers or books |
| 00:29.37 | jimcooncat | unomi: join me in #debian-offtopic and I'll be happy to chat about it with you there |
| 00:29.38 | themill | unomi: this isn't really on topic for #debian. Try #wikipedia. |
| 00:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | unomi, but that's no topic for here |
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| 00:30.00 | unomi | fair enough |
| 00:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, really? My drawing of vector graphics on console really sucks... |
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| 00:31.50 | plus | hm looks like the debian netinstall iso doesn't support WPA |
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| 00:32.01 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: you have to push your turbo button first |
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| 00:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, that's funny... now that you mention it - I the computers I had for the last 10-15 years ***didn't have any*** |
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| 00:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Imagemagic scripts! |
| 00:36.29 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: wehat do you mean, how did I install modules? I just downloaded the appropriate nvidia-kernel package. |
| 00:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | plus: Generally people avoid installing over wifi if at all possible. |
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| 00:38.04 | TheAvatar | Anybody knows why BitchX was never included with lenny? |
| 00:38.27 | autojack | ok safe-upgrade is done. |
| 00:38.30 | amphi | !bitchx |
| 00:38.30 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users can ask me about <bitchxignore>. |
| 00:39.02 | autojack | no one seems to use bitchx anymore |
| 00:39.05 | autojack | except warez kiddies |
| 00:39.31 | TheAvatar | aha - that explains - I just always used it, when I had to connect out from a given IP - as I knew its syntax since very old days |
| 00:39.46 | TheAvatar | guess I have to move along to one of the others - thanks for the info |
| 00:39.56 | titan8990 | its security bugs are especially bad |
| 00:40.09 | titan8990 | TheAvatar: irssi is a good alternative |
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| 00:41.29 | TheAvatar | yer - I already have irssi - I just never got familiar with its command line syntax |
| 00:41.42 | TheAvatar | ah -h it is :D |
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| 00:46.26 | icebrain | weechat ftw |
| 00:46.33 | icebrain | !weechat |
| 00:46.33 | dpkg | WeeChat is a light and extensible cross-platform <IRC> client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. http://weechat.org/files/doc/weechat_faq.en.html http://weechat.org/ #weechat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:48.46 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:49.56 | icebrain | !greet TrueDD |
| 00:49.56 | dpkg | Howdy, TrueDD |
| 00:50.35 | TrueDD | Hi icebrain & dpkg |
| 00:50.48 | autojack | ok |
| 00:50.51 | autojack | all the packages are done |
| 00:50.54 | autojack | guess I should reboot. |
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| 00:53.46 | Origen | Hi All, my objective is trying to create an encrypted volume ontop of a logical volume. I've created the LV (TerabyteLV) and then encrypted it useing cryptseup and now have the device TerabyteEV. My question is TerabyteLV appears in "/dev/TerabyteVG/TerabyteLV" and in "/dev/mapper/TerabyteVG-TerabyteLV". Is it a problem that the device still being in "/dev/mapper", i dont want to corrupt my encrypted volume. |
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| 00:55.30 | Tramp | Origen: no - why? You have one block device (the encrypted mapping) inside another (the LV). Both exist and are needed |
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| 00:59.57 | dbuduru | Is there a package that I can install that lets know the rate of data transfer on a particular network interface |
| 01:00.05 | autojack | ok, now. |
| 01:00.12 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: still around? |
| 01:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, no |
| 01:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, no reason to reboot |
| 01:00.52 | titan8990 | dbuduru: iftop |
| 01:01.08 | titan8990 | dbuduru: or the gnome system monitor thingy |
| 01:01.08 | dbuduru | titan8990: Thanks ! |
| 01:01.34 | autojack | ah well, I did anyway |
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| 01:01.43 | autojack | it looks like I still didn't get gdm back, so I'm adding that. |
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| 01:02.42 | titan8990 | Origen: lvm volumes should be in /dev/mapper |
| 01:03.35 | autojack | ok so I'm back to my same error. |
| 01:03.51 | autojack | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 01:04.04 | autojack | but the nvidia kernel module is loaded. |
| 01:04.46 | rfranknj | is there any way to set a boot option in grub to make the init stuff not start X? |
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| 01:05.15 | rfranknj | i'm having a problem where when X starts i can't input w/ mouse or kbd.. unfortunately X is always started when i boot |
| 01:05.29 | autojack | rfranknj: you can set gdm not to start on boot. |
| 01:05.33 | autojack | I think that's the easiest solution. |
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| 01:06.40 | rfranknj | how can i do that within grub though |
| 01:06.47 | rfranknj | right now the system boots into X no matter what i do |
| 01:06.56 | rfranknj | and then i can't use mouse and kbd not even to switch to a term window |
| 01:07.13 | rfranknj | i believe this was caused by doing dist-upgrade to testing and an improper udev install |
| 01:07.22 | autojack | you don't need to do it in grub |
| 01:07.40 | rfranknj | the system is booting into X and then i can't do anything once it starts X |
| 01:07.45 | rfranknj | so i don't havea choice but to do it in grub |
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| 01:10.13 | autojack | you need to get to single user mode. |
| 01:10.16 | autojack | I guess |
| 01:10.22 | rfranknj | yeah, i got to single user mode |
| 01:10.24 | autojack | oh |
| 01:10.28 | autojack | well then it shouldn't have started x |
| 01:10.31 | rfranknj | i still can't get udev to install then |
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| 01:10.33 | rfranknj | though* |
| 01:10.44 | rfranknj | yeah i accidentally skipped the 'type root password for maitenence' prompt |
| 01:10.45 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: woooo! everything is working again!! |
| 01:10.56 | autojack | I just needed to install nvidia-glx |
| 01:10.59 | autojack | woooot. |
| 01:11.00 | rfranknj | anyway, I can't install udev b/c it says some kernel option isn't enabled |
| 01:11.12 | rfranknj | which is strange because i installed the kernel in testing and booted into it |
| 01:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, \o/ |
| 01:11.31 | autojack | yes very very \o/ |
| 01:12.09 | autojack | ok, I gotta log out, finish packing, and go get married |
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| 01:12.13 | autojack | thanks so much guys. |
| 01:12.19 | autojack | well, get married in a week |
| 01:13.28 | rfranknj | how do i force an apt-get command despite some unrelated unmet dependencies |
| 01:13.58 | autojack | that's a terrible idea |
| 01:14.04 | rfranknj | look |
| 01:14.10 | rfranknj | udev won't instal b/c kernel isn't new enough |
| 01:14.19 | rfranknj | xserver-xorg requires the version of udev that won't install |
| 01:14.22 | rfranknj | so, upgrade kernel right? |
| 01:14.29 | macrobat | rfranknj: maybe you can make a dummy pkg that satisfies deps |
| 01:14.39 | rfranknj | no, can't upgrade the kernel because apt-get won't do anything b/c of unmet deps |
| 01:14.43 | rfranknj | that are completely unrelated |
| 01:14.54 | autojack | why not just let it handle those deps? |
| 01:15.00 | rfranknj | because it can't |
| 01:15.03 | rfranknj | udev won't install |
| 01:15.06 | rfranknj | needs a newer kernel |
| 01:15.11 | autojack | hmmm |
| 01:15.13 | rfranknj | and whoever made the pkg didn't make it require a newer kernel |
| 01:15.19 | rfranknj | it just outputs the text and makes dpkg fail |
| 01:15.19 | autojack | sounds lind of like what I just went through :) |
| 01:15.32 | autojack | I don't have a solution, sorry. |
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| 01:16.51 | macrobat | what pkgs does the kernel want? |
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| 01:17.18 | rfranknj | udev wants a newer kernel with some particular feature disabled |
| 01:17.26 | rfranknj | so it won't install |
| 01:17.36 | Tramp | and why does the kernel not install? |
| 01:17.48 | rfranknj | unmet deps |
| 01:17.55 | rfranknj | xserver-xorg requires the new version of udev |
| 01:17.55 | rfranknj | ;P |
| 01:18.11 | Tramp | why would that keep the kernel from installing? |
| 01:18.17 | Tramp | !squeeze udev |
| 01:18.18 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 01:18.20 | rfranknj | i don't know, why would it? |
| 01:18.27 | rfranknj | apparently aptitude is retarded |
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| 01:18.52 | themill | rfranknj: no, you didn't have the kernel meta-package installed. |
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| 01:19.57 | rfranknj | the what now? |
| 01:20.28 | rfranknj | i forced the install of udev like a retard and did the safe upgrade |
| 01:20.30 | rfranknj | letin' it run now |
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| 01:22.59 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: oh sad... apparently it's not quite working. |
| 01:23.03 | autojack | I still get no video... |
| 01:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 01:23.58 | autojack | weird: |
| 01:23.59 | autojack | (EE) No Input driver matching `mouse' |
| 01:23.59 | autojack | (EE) No Input driver matching `kbd' |
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| 01:24.30 | titan8990 | autojack: are you trying to use an old xorg.conf? |
| 01:24.49 | autojack | titan8990: yeah. guess I should stop that :) |
| 01:25.49 | titan8990 | autojack: i would use nvidia-xconfig to generate a new one, it doesn't work, reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 01:26.07 | titan8990 | autojack: or possibly it is the xorg meta |
| 01:26.23 | autojack | I just ran nvidia-xconfig... |
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| 01:27.11 | autojack | aha, well, now I have a grey screen and a pointer... |
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| 01:28.00 | autojack | but I still see the no kbd and no mouse errors. |
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| 01:30.14 | titan8990 | autojack: alright, install/reinstall the kbd and mouse drivers |
| 01:30.32 | titan8990 | autojack: or xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 01:34.39 | peter_ | un canal de debian en espaƱol |
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| 01:35.35 | titan8990 | !en |
| 01:35.35 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 01:35.40 | titan8990 | oops |
| 01:35.42 | titan8990 | !es |
| 01:35.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | thank you for sharing |
| 01:43.54 | cesurasean | how do i fix this on squeeze? |
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| 01:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nvidia m-a |
| 01:50.55 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 01:51.25 | autojack | mmm, yeah this is still jacked up. I think it's possible gnome isn't installed... |
| 01:53.20 | autojack | indeed it is not |
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| 01:53.24 | autojack | man what did I do to this hting. |
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| 01:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesurasean, are we supposed to know what's wrong from this? |
| 01:59.26 | autojack | I would have thought that having gdm installed would inply having... all the rest of gnome... |
| 01:59.44 | macrobat | autojack: i can recommend xfce4 |
| 02:00.03 | autojack | what's that? |
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| 02:01.01 | macrobat | it is a desktop environment, a bit lighter than gnome |
| 02:01.01 | benjamindees | autojack, there's no reason to believe gdm depends on gnome |
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| 02:02.09 | macrobat | but if you are comfortable with gnome, you dont have to change |
| 02:06.42 | titan8990 | autojack: tasksel debian-desktop |
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| 02:07.25 | titan8990 | autojack: gdm doesn't imply the rest of gnome because gdm can be used as a display manager for other DEs |
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| 02:07.48 | autojack | I see |
| 02:07.53 | autojack | I thought gdm was gnome display manager |
| 02:07.59 | NotInternat | it is |
| 02:08.06 | NotInternat | but its not the desktop enviroment |
| 02:08.36 | titan8990 | yes, but you can still use gdm with say, xfce or flux |
| 02:08.51 | NotInternat | its just the manager of which display is going to launch etc |
| 02:08.52 | benjamindees | gnome is just a pseudopackage. install it and you get a bunch of other things. |
| 02:09.56 | autojack | I see |
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| 02:11.12 | benjamindees | you could say that it doesn't even exist, except as a collection of other, smaller things |
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| 02:11.36 | benjamindees | much like debian itself |
| 02:12.23 | benjamindees | ideas built on ideas, ad infinitum |
| 02:12.58 | autojack | hmmm |
| 02:13.05 | autojack | I'm stuck now. |
| 02:13.19 | benjamindees | and, at the bottom of it all.. are a bunch of fat hairy guys sitting around eating cheetos and drinking mt. dew |
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| 02:16.25 | autojack | gnome wants to install seahorse. that gives this error: "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcryptui.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libcryptui0" |
| 02:16.25 | macrobat | my usb stick wont automount anymore. i'm currently in lenny gnome. is there a gconf setting for this? |
| 02:16.37 | autojack | but I can't seem to uninstall libcryptui... |
| 02:17.20 | benjamindees | autojack, what are you trying to do? upgrade? mix repositories? something even dumber and more complicated? |
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| 02:17.46 | autojack | none of that. I just finished a clean upgrade to lenny with the help of people in this channel. |
| 02:17.54 | autojack | I'm just trying to get a complete gnome install. |
| 02:18.03 | benjamindees | aptitude install gnome |
| 02:18.10 | autojack | yeah thanks bro |
| 02:18.11 | autojack | I did that |
| 02:18.19 | autojack | it's giving me this error when it tries to install seahorse |
| 02:18.35 | autojack | apparently because seahorse wants to overwrite /usr/lib/libcryptui.so.0.0.0 |
| 02:18.41 | autojack | which as I understand it |
| 02:18.49 | autojack | is also in package libcryptui0 |
| 02:18.58 | benjamindees | yes, that much is clear |
| 02:19.12 | benjamindees | dpkg -l libcryptui0 |
| 02:19.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching libcryptui0 |
| 02:19.26 | benjamindees | thx dpkg |
| 02:19.58 | autojack | ii libcryptui0 2.28.1-1 the UI library for DBUS functions exported by seahorse |
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| 02:20.23 | benjamindees | autojack, that's the squeeze version; that package is not in lenny |
| 02:21.20 | benjamindees | 1) what did you upgrade from? 2) what other repo's are in your sources.list? |
| 02:21.36 | autojack | weeeird. |
| 02:21.43 | titan8990 | benjamindees: hes upgrading a lenny install from when it was testing |
| 02:21.48 | titan8990 | benjamindees: with a little sid |
| 02:21.51 | autojack | yeah. |
| 02:21.54 | autojack | that. |
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| 02:22.39 | benjamindees | so the word for that is 'downgrading' |
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| 02:23.14 | autojack | that's weird though, I ran apt-show-versions and it came back with nothing but lenny packages. |
| 02:23.20 | titan8990 | benjamindees: no |
| 02:23.44 | titan8990 | benjamindees: he ran testing, when lenny was the testing release, and thats where he was at |
| 02:23.46 | autojack | so is there something I can do? |
| 02:24.06 | titan8990 | benjamindees: he upgraded to current stable lenny, but had mixed a little sid |
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| 02:24.16 | autojack | if I try to remove libcryptui0, I get the generic "try running apt-get install -f with no packages" |
| 02:24.29 | autojack | which doesn't help |
| 02:24.33 | benjamindees | dpkg --force-depends --remove libcryptui0 |
| 02:24.34 | dpkg | benjamindees: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:24.38 | autojack | because it just wants to install gnome, and then seahorse, and then... |
| 02:25.28 | benjamindees | autojack, have you tried using aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 02:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, I don't think there's "a little sid" - he just had testing/unstable when lenny was testing, that's where the "sid" part comes from |
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| 02:25.46 | hardbop200 | hi - trying to get my ati x1300 working in squeeze. howtos tell me to use m-a to build fglrx-kernel module, but m-a can't find it. I have contrib non-free etc. has this process changed in squeeze, and if so, can someone point me to what to search for? |
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| 02:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, which is fine so far and not unexpected |
| 02:26.16 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought it was determined he was mostly lenny |
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| 02:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was lenny/sid when lenny was testing |
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| 02:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's all pre-lenny (the release) packages |
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| 02:27.42 | hardbop200 | all I want is better than 1024x768 :) |
| 02:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fglrx |
| 02:28.05 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition: does not support Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) as of fglrx-driver 1:10-1-1 (Debian bug #564444). Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:28.30 | titan8990 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:28.30 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: create/edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). |
| 02:28.48 | autojack | woot, that worked. |
| 02:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono... "has been removed" |
| 02:28.53 | autojack | thanks benjamindees |
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| 02:29.07 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: what has? |
| 02:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just marveling at how up-to-date that factoid was - I didn't know about that :) |
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| 02:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, see fglrx factoid ^^^ |
| 02:29.40 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, nice |
| 02:29.50 | hardbop200 | titan8990: copied, pasted, saved. thanks so much, I appreciate it! |
| 02:30.08 | titan8990 | another example of use stable if you expect things to work... |
| 02:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hardbop200, no, look at the 1st of the factoids |
| 02:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hardbop200, and read Debian bug #564444 |
| 02:30.39 | hardbop200 | CutMeOwnThroat: will do. |
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| 02:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there's a workaround |
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| 02:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can possibly go back to an older version of xorg |
| 02:31.28 | titan8990 | perhaps he can just run stable |
| 02:32.48 | autojack | ok, I've got to head out. |
| 02:32.51 | autojack | thanks for all the help guys. |
| 02:32.52 | acu | I moved an installed lenny amd64 from one computer to other - which have a different vga card - now I moved the hard disk back to the original computer - but the vga card does not work - if I enter gnome it tells me to adjust to 60 HZ - and after 1 minute the monitor sleeps - how can I make the system recognize the vga card - I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it does not work |
| 02:32.55 | hardbop200 | CutMeOwnThroat: cool. honestly, I don't need 3d, I just need a little more screen realestate. I'm going to dig around to see if that can be done with what I've got. |
| 02:33.09 | hardbop200 | titan8990: no need to go to stable for this issue |
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| 02:34.07 | Akuw | anybody here know about truecrypt? |
| 02:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, now there's an idea :) |
| 02:34.13 | titan8990 | acu: what version of debian? what card? |
| 02:34.58 | acu | lenny nvidia (and it worked fine before I moved the hard disk to other computer) but when I moved it back I got this problems |
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| 02:35.57 | titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia m-a is The short version: aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 02:36.37 | titan8990 | acu: try `nvidia-xconfig`, if that doesn't work try the above |
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| 02:40.01 | hardbop200 | !radeon |
| 02:40.01 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo #radeon on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:40.21 | hardbop200 | !radeon firmware |
| 02:40.21 | dpkg | In Squeeze, binary-only firmware is removed from the radeon <DRM> driver as of linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 02:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell hardbop200 -about msg the bot |
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| 02:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu, do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:41.07 | hardbop200 | CutMeOwnThroat: shit, sorry about that everyone... |
| 02:41.11 | titan8990 | he will if he runs nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
| 02:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, if you do it again, we'll have to kill you in a horrible way |
| 02:42.08 | hardbop200 | I understand :) |
| 02:42.35 | hardbop200 | reason for all of this whining about the driver - I got a new laptop today! yay! |
| 02:42.39 | jvogel | hey |
| 02:42.44 | jvogel | how do i check what's running on port 80 on my computer |
| 02:42.52 | jvogel | i tried to start ligghtpd but it wont go cause somethings on port 80 |
| 02:43.03 | acu | power to titans ! |
| 02:43.45 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jvogel, netstat -an |grep ':80 ' or fuser 80/tcp |
| 02:44.44 | acu | CutMeOwnThroat: change your nick, is disgusting, there are so many nice choices like IamtheTITAN etc, sounds more reassuring - and it will fit you since you are so helpful and knowledgeable :) |
| 02:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and give up the careful reputation I built with this nick? |
| 02:45.43 | jvogel | I don't have fuser |
| 02:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu, sausage inna bun? |
| 02:46.00 | jvogel | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i know what program is using port 80 |
| 02:46.02 | acu | abd: selfpower is almost like masturbation - the real power comes from others (even if it is coerces) |
| 02:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 02:46.11 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 02:46.20 | jvogel | jonathan@sparta ~ $ sudo aptitude install fuser |
| 02:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the package psmisc |
| 02:46.25 | jvogel | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 02:46.40 | jvogel | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pcmisc" |
| 02:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | esssssssssssss |
| 02:47.00 | jvogel | jonathan@sparta ~ $ aptitude search fuser |
| 02:47.01 | NotInternat | pcmisc != psmisc |
| 02:47.04 | jvogel | o |
| 02:47.13 | jvogel | my b lol |
| 02:47.15 | titan8990 | jvogel: uname -r |
| 02:47.34 | acu | CutMeOwnTrhoat: your reputation will see spikes - everything has value only if it positive and is done with love, everything what is negative, annuls itself, is like it never existed |
| 02:47.43 | jvogel | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 02:47.46 | jvogel | jonathan@sparta ~ $ fuser 80/tcp |
| 02:47.48 | jvogel | Nothing :x |
| 02:47.54 | jvogel | Starting web server: lighttpd2010-03-05 16:48:42: (network.c.345) can't bind to port: :: 80 Address already in use |
| 02:48.00 | titan8990 | jvogel: try again as root |
| 02:48.03 | jvogel | fuck |
| 02:48.05 | jvogel | i always do that |
| 02:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jvogel, as root |
| 02:48.11 | jvogel | same thing |
| 02:48.12 | jvogel | tho :x |
| 02:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | then nothing is using it |
| 02:48.19 | jvogel | lol |
| 02:48.22 | jvogel | why does lighttpd say so |
| 02:48.33 | acu | jvogel: fuck is an act of love or an act of rape ? |
| 02:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it hates you because you abused it when it was little? |
| 02:48.39 | NotInternat | oh ffs |
| 02:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:48.42 | jvogel | damnit |
| 02:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | two idiots, one thought |
| 02:48.44 | jvogel | lol |
| 02:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, ~ |
| 02:49.19 | titan8990 | :: is that looking for ipv6? |
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| 02:49.59 | acu | CutMeOwnThroat, see the movie 3 idiots, it is a recent, most succesful movie |
| 02:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jvogel, so nc -l -p80 (as root) also fails? |
| 02:50.39 | acu | CutMeOwnThroat, we are all idiots, just a different degree - OK I will stop it here :) |
| 02:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, shoo, you're offtopic |
| 02:50.57 | acu | But the titan8990 is the titan of tonight :) |
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| 02:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, maybe |
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| 02:51.40 | jvogel | um ? |
| 02:51.44 | jvogel | nc -l -p80 ?? |
| 02:51.47 | jvogel | didnt know i was supposed to try that |
| 02:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's fine if that just sits there) |
| 02:52.16 | jvogel | yes |
| 02:52.19 | jvogel | its just sitting there |
| 02:52.25 | acu | as the times goes on, all humans will be offtopic only, because most of the questions have an algorithmic answer, humans, as idiots we are we like heuristic challenges :) |
| 02:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can end it with ctrl-C |
| 02:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait 30 seconds, though - error doesn't happen immediately |
| 02:53.47 | jvogel | yeah i waited like 2 mins |
| 02:55.04 | jvogel | i tried lsof -i :80 |
| 02:55.06 | jvogel | and got somethign |
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| 02:57.10 | benjamindees | acu, pfft, well-asked questions may have an algorithmic answer, but I don't think *most* questions fall in this category |
| 02:57.45 | acu | when I will be rich I will buy and rename Trump Tower in Debian Tower and have you guys for free, doing charity and helping self-torturing newbies enter into freedom - of course CutMeOwnThroat , titan8990, abrotman and all http://www.trumplv.com/ (OK that is it - I will not comment anything anymore offtopic - you know I am disciplined and obedient :) |
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| 03:01.07 | acu | benjamindees, indeed, the questions are more important than the questions - I have to admit, I learned a lot looking at you guys - at the beginning I thought it is some autism, asperger kind of clicque - but asking questions correctly and to the point is a sign of intelligence |
| 03:01.27 | Bastihase | I have a stupid question, there is a webinterface for debian? debian so that you can control via a php webinterface?????????? |
| 03:02.20 | titan8990_ | bassliner, control what exactly? |
| 03:02.50 | acu | Bastihase: my son, please learn how to put questions - more concrete and without unnecessary words and 1!!! -- there are few, but the professionals use text interface only - shells ssh etc - webmin is one of the tool where you can control almost everything through webinterface |
| 03:03.25 | titan8990_ | acu, webmin does not work very well with debian |
| 03:03.27 | titan8990_ | !webmin |
| 03:03.27 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 03:03.43 | acu | titan8990, and is not safe :) |
| 03:03.55 | titan8990_ | use centos if you *must* have webmin |
| 03:04.21 | titan8990_ | acu, that, and its development is just redhat oriented |
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| 03:05.04 | Bastihase | lol my son was just a question I need something to make me play and continue to learn and then once I see if I get through this with webmin |
| 03:05.06 | acu | titan8990, when I started using debian I thought that webmin was one of the best tools in the open source space :) |
| 03:05.14 | Bastihase | slaps acu around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:05.16 | Bastihase | ;p |
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| 03:05.39 | Bastihase | !dpkg webmin |
| 03:05.39 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 03:06.14 | acu | Bastihase, you got me here with the trout :) I never got what that means but if you put :) at the end we are OK |
| 03:07.01 | Bastihase | ;) |
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| 03:08.02 | acu | Bastihase: what exactly do you want to learn first, what bothers you most ? |
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| 03:09.18 | Bastihase | es gibt noch viele sachen im debian system welche ich ocht nicht weiĆ was sie machen oder wo fĆ¼r die gut sind zum beispiel wie man einen mailserver benutzt |
| 03:09.23 | Bastihase | sorry .. |
| 03:09.31 | Bastihase | there are many matters in the debian system which I do not Ochten know what they're doing or where used to be good for example how to make a mailserver |
| 03:10.02 | macrobat | Ochten == yet |
| 03:10.30 | acu | KDE and GNOME have a bunches of GUI for almost anything you want: there is a bunch of GADMIN for samba, proftpd etc, also there is smb4k, for ddatabases there are plenty - even for the Postgresql (the Oracle of open source) pgADMIN III |
| 03:11.07 | Bastihase | Although I know so many things including how to set up openvz or how to make a webserver installed such small matters, or a webinterface for openvz but really put a lot I know, unfortunately, will not |
| 03:11.55 | titan8990_ | Bastihase, linux or no... email servers are complex and should be treated seriously |
| 03:11.58 | acu | Bastihase: in my opinion the setup of a mail server is most difficult - but I can tell you to start with POSTFIX (is a main piece of such thing) MTA - however you have to know more about how this all works |
| 03:12.20 | titan8990_ | Bastihase, an improperly configure MTA will get you in a bit of trouble |
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| 03:13.15 | acu | Bastihase: and if you are interested flying to Minnesota (Antartica) in 4 weeks I will have a handson course for Postfix Cyrus IMAP server from scratch |
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| 03:13.39 | Bastihase | lol |
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| 03:14.39 | Bastihase | I think I do not need extra flying for sowas I will watch tomorrow afternoon if I get no time with your help and how to run a mail server to |
| 03:15.00 | benjamindees | I imagine a datacenter in the frozen north would have something of a competitive advantage |
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| 03:15.15 | acu | Of course: If you do not know how to create user, folders, and basic skills through text interface you might need to come two weeks earlier for the Jumpstart - Debian hands on for Brainless and Brilliant Attention Deficit Disorder Newbies |
| 03:15.28 | benjamindees | but I'm always surprised at the number of big hosting providers in southern states |
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| 03:16.00 | Bastihase | - -{titan8990_}- - so I said yes I have to make something erstmal and stuff to which the system is not publicly available, it would be first installed on a test system |
| 03:17.01 | acu | OK, Minnesota is in Midwest (Antartica was a joke) - but it gets cold in Minnesota - here everybody is polite and depressed and gets really fat during the winter |
| 03:17.32 | Bastihase | im form germany daddy ;> |
| 03:17.36 | Bastihase | from* |
| 03:17.46 | acu | Deutchland Uber Alles |
| 03:18.08 | Bastihase | I did not have enough money for such things |
| 03:18.51 | Bastihase | ich bin auf deutsch gesagt eine arme pig :) |
| 03:19.00 | Bastihase | I am a poor pig said in German:) |
| 03:19.22 | acu | Poverty is a state of mind, it has nothing to do with material wealth - |
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| 03:20.11 | dekatch | Hi, i need help with compiling a good kernel for gameservers! OS Debian Lenny! I would like to compile 2.6.32 kernel with csk patch! |
| 03:20.12 | dekatch | Anyone who has expierience in it and would like to share his/her knowledge ?! :P ^^ |
| 03:20.37 | Bastihase | so are you saying that but in Germany it is no longer so easy to get money to in holland, it is better because you still get good wages paid to |
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| 03:21.03 | acu | Bastihase: if you are disciplined and you know something concrete, you can work with me (of course you will get paid) |
| 03:21.37 | titan8990_ | huh? |
| 03:21.43 | Bastihase | on what you thought then test |
| 03:21.57 | titan8990_ | acu, are you offering him a job? |
| 03:23.14 | acu | titan8990: if he knows of he want to learn object oriented features of PHP, Postgresql and other things, I need some people who do not ask for insane amount of money |
| 03:23.52 | titan8990 | acu: a linux shop? |
| 03:24.47 | acu | titan8990, yes I am starting a turnkey solution company - and I will need in few months people with PHP skills, Postgresql and Debian |
| 03:25.11 | Bastihase | I'm playing a little bit with webmin |
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| 03:25.43 | acu | Webmin is good to get an ideea what you need to know, but is not really useful in long run |
| 03:26.23 | acu | you can use ssh for text control of any server - or vnc for graphic access |
| 03:26.24 | titan8990 | acu: well, i know debian fairly well, and I am looking for a job... in a linux shop specifically |
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| 03:26.41 | acu | titan8990, where are you located? |
| 03:26.50 | Bastihase | when I installed it and everything about me that I know still useable gucke more for my life |
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| 03:27.21 | acu | titan8990: can we talk in private ? |
| 03:27.35 | Bastihase | ssh is already too boring to me: D |
| 03:27.36 | titan8990 | acu: yes |
| 03:29.54 | dekatch | no one there who like to help? |
| 03:30.22 | dekatch | with my kernel compile questions. 2.6.32 with csk patch |
| 03:30.37 | Bastihase | knows a source list for webmin |
| 03:30.47 | dekatch | Debian Lenny, AMD X2 4850e |
| 03:30.49 | dekatch | :( |
| 03:30.58 | dekatch | 64bit |
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| 03:31.23 | Bastihase | i don`t have 64bit |
| 03:31.24 | Bastihase | ;D |
| 03:31.50 | dekatch | not important. but i have absolutely no expierience in compiling kernels |
| 03:31.56 | titan8990 | !kernel recompile |
| 03:32.03 | dekatch | just did it once and this kernel messed up my sydstem :P |
| 03:32.09 | Bastihase | :) |
| 03:32.43 | titan8990 | !compile kernel |
| 03:32.43 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 03:33.05 | titan8990 | dekatch: there is the build guide, `man patch` should help in applying the patch to the sources |
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| 03:33.27 | dekatch | titan8990: have heard to not use make command! have to use fakeroot and such, is it truth? |
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| 03:33.49 | dekatch | as debian / ubuntu user |
| 03:33.57 | Bastihase | i have found |
| 03:33.57 | Bastihase | deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib |
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| 03:35.44 | Bastihase | webin server to slow |
| 03:35.46 | Bastihase | :/ |
| 03:35.58 | Bastihase | 39,7kB/s 5min45s |
| 03:36.10 | acu | Bastihas: common, go to the webmin site and download the .deb package they have |
| 03:36.24 | Bastihase | i use apt-get install webim |
| 03:36.31 | Bastihase | webmin* |
| 03:36.33 | benjamindees | dekatch, the debian kernels are built using fakeroot etc. but you can download and build a stock kernel if you'd like |
| 03:36.39 | acu | or you can look at ubuntu it will work too - though some dependencies might be required to be installed |
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| 03:37.48 | dekatch | i want specially 2.6.32 with csk patch for a gameserver! need to go into it! i need a gameserver optimies compiled kernel with 1000hz |
| 03:38.21 | Bastihase | - -{acu}- - webmin works on port 10000? |
| 03:38.23 | dekatch | but i wont loose my netfilter options and such! just tweak the kernel a bit |
| 03:39.00 | dekatch | cant open README.gz file, shows me crazy letters |
| 03:39.19 | dekatch | !compile kernel |
| 03:39.19 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 03:39.46 | benjamindees | dekatch, the current kernel config is located in /boot; use it to configure your new kernel |
| 03:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what on earth is a csk patch |
| 03:40.27 | dekatch | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/ck/patches/2.6/ |
| 03:40.44 | dekatch | i spelled it wrong, ck patch |
| 03:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if you can't read the README.gz, you will have sever problems compiling your kernel because you're lacking too many basics |
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| 03:41.54 | dekatch | yeaa, probably! never tried to open .gz file honestly :P |
| 03:42.10 | dekatch | nano, and cat doenst open it correctly |
| 03:42.16 | benjamindees | dekatch, zcat |
| 03:42.26 | dekatch | ah, thanks |
| 03:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | less |
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| 03:42.39 | MyWay | hello, i can't access any folder, either if i set its permission to 777, why? |
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| 03:42.41 | dekatch | yeaa, less command is useful for cat :P |
| 03:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you want that patch anyway? |
| 03:43.31 | dekatch | CutMeOwnThroat: i said it! need a gameserver optimised comipiled kernel with 1000hz |
| 03:43.38 | MyWay | if i ls it, i see: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? mydir |
| 03:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dekatch, that means? |
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| 03:44.26 | dekatch | i need to tweak my kernel |
| 03:44.32 | dekatch | now hes running on 200hz |
| 03:44.36 | benjamindees | dekatch, are you sure that patch is available for 2.6.32 ? |
| 03:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | who is |
| 03:44.51 | dekatch | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/ck/patches/2.6/2.6.32/ |
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| 03:45.19 | dekatch | my kernel |
| 03:45.33 | dekatch | my comp, my serveur :P |
| 03:45.42 | Bastihase | lol panos_ ^^ |
| 03:45.57 | Bastihase | university of groningen^^ |
| 03:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | MyWay, fsck the drive |
| 03:46.15 | RayzrShrp | anybody recommend a brand of laptop that runs debian well |
| 03:46.31 | dekatch | haha, i use HP |
| 03:46.44 | benjamindees | RayzrShrp, they're mostly the same |
| 03:46.46 | MyWay | CutMeOwnThroat: i can access it with another user |
| 03:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:46.53 | macrobat | RayzrShrp: linlap.com |
| 03:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think there is a way to produce this with permissions, too |
| 03:47.10 | MyWay | it's like if this user doesn't have permission to ls, cd... |
| 03:47.12 | RayzrShrp | im thinking of getting a cheap dell laptop |
| 03:47.25 | macrobat | stay away from dell |
| 03:47.38 | macrobat | and cheap laptops |
| 03:47.42 | RayzrShrp | lol ok these are the things i need to hear |
| 03:47.53 | dekatch | macrobat: why? |
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| 03:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | MyWay, look at the permission of the parent directory |
| 03:48.09 | benjamindees | there's very little difference between a 'cheap dell' and an expensive thinkpad |
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| 03:48.31 | dekatch | dell laptops arent cheap |
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| 03:48.47 | dekatch | they own only a few Intel Atom laptops whcih may a bit cheap |
| 03:48.50 | RayzrShrp | any thoughts on running debian on an apple |
| 03:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | MyWay, you get that when you have read, but no execute permissions (which is a damn stupid thing to set file permissions to anyway) |
| 03:49.03 | RayzrShrp | so atoms are no good? |
| 03:49.09 | Zharf | atoms rule |
| 03:49.09 | macrobat | meh, if it is just going to sit on your desk, you dont need build quality |
| 03:49.13 | dekatch | atoms a lowcost processors |
| 03:49.20 | dekatch | didnt say they arent good :P |
| 03:49.24 | dekatch | lowcost, lowperformance |
| 03:49.35 | MyWay | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you very much, it was the parent directory |
| 03:50.16 | dekatch | but enough for debian and ssh and such |
| 03:50.27 | dekatch | think about to buy me a netbook from dell |
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| 03:50.50 | Bastihase | webmin is a nice game ;D |
| 03:50.58 | RayzrShrp | im thinking of getting the dell netbook |
| 03:51.09 | dekatch | yeaa, this little netbook |
| 03:51.13 | dekatch | 13 inch i guess |
| 03:51.21 | dekatch | around 400 $ |
| 03:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, http://tuxmobil.org/laptop_manufacturer.html |
| 03:51.32 | RayzrShrp | i like the 10" for like 300 |
| 03:51.32 | Zharf | they're calling 13" netbook these days? |
| 03:51.38 | benjamindees | with anything, your wifi chipset is what I would spend the most time researching |
| 03:51.38 | Zharf | 13" is like barely portable |
| 03:51.47 | dekatch | or 10 |
| 03:51.57 | Zharf | 10-11" is perfect :) |
| 03:51.58 | dekatch | yeaaa, i want also a 10 laptop for ssh only |
| 03:51.59 | acu | dekatch: I used to look for the same things - and it was a japaneze guy - amazing - he had latest kernels for whatever was running - I think he was a maintainer for debian too - I forgot his name - but if you get to his page - your problems will be easeier |
| 03:52.05 | benjamindees | and video card chipset if you're into that sort of thing |
| 03:52.27 | macrobat | acu: kmuto kernels? |
| 03:53.16 | acu | yes kmuto |
| 03:53.26 | dekatch | a url would be great |
| 03:53.27 | acu | The Great Empire of Japan |
| 03:53.28 | dekatch | acu: |
| 03:53.30 | dekatch | ^^ |
| 03:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, also, http://tuxmobil.org/laptop_manufacturer.html and possibly http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6684 |
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| 03:54.41 | RayzrShrp | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 03:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, problem is of course, they got something on so many laptops... guess you have to choose a couple of models and look how they fare |
| 03:55.45 | dekatch | yeaa, CutMeOwnThroat posted this link and Dell is also listetd RayzrShrp |
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| 03:55.51 | acu | http://kmuto.jp/ dekatch this is the guy - he looks geeky - the hair stand straight and everything - but I do not know now what he does - it was 4 years ago when I find his work useful and well done |
| 03:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, those reviews were done by "just someone", so it depends on the (random) experience of the installer |
| 03:56.48 | dekatch | ok, .jp domain! haha, isnt in english i guess |
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| 03:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, of course, if you buy one where linux is preinstalled, you can assume most hardware is compatible (although the supplier might have added his own custom kernel modules and all such crap) |
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| 03:58.47 | RayzrShrp | dell with ubuntu seems safe at least |
| 03:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html or - as you mentioned dell: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&l=en&cs=19 (not sure how recent that is) |
| 03:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... also nice not to have windows on it from begin on :) |
| 03:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bought my last laptop with windows on... hard to get anything else |
| 03:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I even ran windows a couple of times on there! |
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| 03:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | every other year or so :) |
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| 04:00.27 | RayzrShrp | i have a nice powerbook which is running linux or so they say |
| 04:00.35 | RayzrShrp | but i want a true linux laptop |
| 04:00.46 | macrobat | RayzrShrp: google for linux hardware compatibility |
| 04:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so they say? |
| 04:00.57 | macrobat | and look at linlap.com |
| 04:01.00 | dekatch | yeaa, this is a nice little laptop but with as i said intel atom processors |
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| 04:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... powerbook - apple? shouldn't that run OsX? |
| 04:01.11 | dekatch | Mini 10v: |
| 04:01.13 | dekatch | IntelĆĀ® AtomTM N270 (1.6GHz/533Mhz FSB/512K L2Cache) |
| 04:01.15 | dekatch | IntelĆĀ® AtomTM N280 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/512K L2Cache) Mini 10v: |
| 04:01.16 | dekatch | IntelĆĀ® AtomTM N270 (1.6GHz/533Mhz FSB/512K L2Cache) |
| 04:01.17 | RayzrShrp | yeah that one dekatch |
| 04:01.18 | dekatch | IntelĆĀ® AtomTM N280 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/512K L2Cache) |
| 04:01.20 | dekatch | ah sry |
| 04:01.36 | RayzrShrp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes but macosx runs ontop of a linu |
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| 04:01.38 | RayzrShrp | x |
| 04:01.42 | dekatch | enough for www ssh and openoffice |
| 04:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, no |
| 04:01.47 | benjamindees | RayzrShrp, no |
| 04:02.08 | RayzrShrp | i thought mac osx was based on linux |
| 04:02.21 | acu | no |
| 04:02.23 | RayzrShrp | well at least the newer versions are |
| 04:02.27 | acu | is base odn bsd unix |
| 04:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | RayzrShrp, osx is a bsd-clone. bsd license other than gpl allow to base closed-source projects on it |
| 04:02.32 | benjamindees | RayzrShrp, it's based on BSD; you can install linux if you'd like |
| 04:02.35 | RayzrShrp | oh ok bsd unix |
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| 04:03.25 | Origen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.59 | dekatch | acu: i dont think i am going to email him or do you mean it weres ok? is he still debian maintainer? |
| 04:04.09 | dekatch | kmuto@debian.org? |
| 04:04.47 | RayzrShrp | i like the powerbook but i dunno |
| 04:04.55 | Bastihase | good night acu good night @ll |
| 04:05.03 | RayzrShrp | its the powerpc version not the intel version |
| 04:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 04:05.24 | RayzrShrp | just saying |
| 04:05.26 | acu | dekatch: please, this people are busy - first spend few neurons and half an hour to do some google search and then email him with specific questions - for sure he is not going to hold your hand for every small step |
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| 04:05.34 | RayzrShrp | does debian run on powerpc |
| 04:05.35 | Tramp | Origen1: I answered your question 4 hours ago |
| 04:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !powerpc |
| 04:06.17 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:06.19 | dekatch | haha, dont think so! :P |
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| 04:06.34 | acu | RayzrShrp, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 04:06.36 | dekatch | i wont email him for asking my compiling question ^^ |
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| 04:07.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hehe, very nice... I love it when people just come back to throw in they answered something ages ago :) |
| 04:07.14 | RayzrShrp | yeah dont wanna mess with all that |
| 04:07.15 | benjamindees | dekatch, download the 2.6.32 kernel and your patch and someone will help you compile it |
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| 04:07.20 | acu | yes debian runs even on Felix chips (made in romania in 1979 - OK that is too much) :) |
| 04:07.26 | RayzrShrp | i think ill just research a laptop |
| 04:07.43 | Origen1 | Tramp1: Sorry, thanks. I totally didnt see the reponse |
| 04:07.56 | dekatch | benjamindees: i need to set all of the options. |
| 04:08.06 | Origen1 | Tramp: Thanks, that makes sense |
| 04:08.09 | benjamindees | dekatch, I already told you how to do that |
| 04:08.15 | Tramp | understandable. There was exactly one join inbetween .... :) |
| 04:08.35 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: see. It helps. |
| 04:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 04:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd not have wanted to answer that |
| 04:08.56 | Hebram | lol |
| 04:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't want to corrupt his encrypted partition either |
| 04:09.38 | benjamindees | dekatch: cp /boot/config-'uname -r' .config && make oldconfig |
| 04:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | benjamindees, someone?! |
| 04:10.09 | adb | acu, on felix-256 ? |
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| 04:10.46 | Origen1 | Tramp: Sorry to pull you in again :) but one quick question. If I rebuild my Debian server (it has a dediciated HDD) can I just run vgscan to locate my Volume Group as its on its own seperate array? |
| 04:11.00 | dekatch | yea, thanks, but hot to use the old config for the new patch? or do i just have to read them all!? |
| 04:11.10 | Tramp | Origen1: "array" as in "RAID array"? |
| 04:11.11 | Origen1 | and then reopen it obviously |
| 04:11.11 | dekatch | hot=how |
| 04:11.28 | titan8990 | dekatch: make oldconfig |
| 04:11.44 | Origen1 | Tramp: Yes, its hardware RAID. I have Hardware RAID > LVM > encrypted volume |
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| 04:12.42 | dekatch | a step by step tutorial would be more useful, it is like jumping in the watr and didnt know if i can swim |
| 04:12.43 | Tramp | Origen1: never used RAID. However, "vgscan" is non-destructive. It just reads and assembles stuff, so it can basically be run anytime |
| 04:13.07 | acu | adb: LOL that was before Intel and AMD, can you believe that ? |
| 04:13.08 | Origen1 | great, I'll test it our |
| 04:13.11 | Origen1 | *out |
| 04:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that always baffles me... there's true hardware raids that still need special software? |
| 04:13.32 | adb | acu, sure i don't |
| 04:13.40 | nsadmin | dekatch sometimes it will be like that |
| 04:14.07 | dekatch | thanks for sharing knowledge :P lol |
| 04:15.08 | benjamindees | dekatch, start by telling us what you have done so far.. |
| 04:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially in a tsunami... |
| 04:15.22 | nsadmin | seriously... sometimes you have to take the bold move of going first and maybe -fixing- the problems you find |
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| 04:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on, he doesn't have a problem, he wants to patch a kernel and can't even coherently explain why he thinks he needs that patch |
| 04:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he doesn't know, really |
| 04:16.28 | nsadmin | oh, and keep a journal of the problem, everything you learn about it, all the questions that come up, the answers that later appear and finally the solution |
| 04:16.42 | nsadmin | then you can hand that to people |
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| 04:16.58 | acu | Intel made theyr first microprocessor in 1971 but it was founded in 1968, when most of the chatters in this room did not exist :) |
| 04:16.59 | dekatch | nsadmin: i already own a own email for all my problems and solutions related to linux :P |
| 04:17.25 | dekatch | it is like a troubleshooting center to me! |
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| 04:17.33 | nsadmin | good :) so you're already doing that. Know you're in the minority |
| 04:17.44 | benjamindees | dekatch, no one can give you a step by step because we have no idea what your skill level is |
| 04:18.12 | dekatch | well, this is a step by step: http://alexander-birkner.com/?p=96 |
| 04:18.24 | nsadmin | and not just that, but I (for one) don't have a clear idea on what the problem is |
| 04:18.26 | dekatch | but for an older kernel! this 2.6.32 has much more options |
| 04:18.40 | benjamindees | here's one: 1) download the kernel and patch 2) patch the kernel 3) configure and make the kernel 4) install the kernel :p |
| 04:18.45 | nsadmin | why upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:18.50 | dekatch | it is an decompiled kernel for run on gameservers |
| 04:18.52 | dekatch | more fps |
| 04:19.08 | dekatch | more power, more hz! more perfromance |
| 04:19.11 | nsadmin | benjamindees, no make-kpkg |
| 04:19.12 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:19.22 | dekatch | my cpu can run faster as they do atm |
| 04:19.31 | benjamindees | nsadmin, right |
| 04:19.58 | acu | dekatch: instead of spending neurons of recompiling the kernel you could learn how to create a high performance clustering :) more useful in long run |
| 04:20.00 | nsadmin | well that may not help when he has to build debianized module sources |
| 04:20.14 | benjamindees | nsadmin, he doesn't |
| 04:20.33 | nsadmin | so he won't tomorrow? or next month? |
| 04:21.23 | nsadmin | never mind.... I just didn't understand why you were advocating doing it without make-kpkg, but I'm going out the door soon |
| 04:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would also suggest you use hollow wires to speed up your internet... |
| 04:22.35 | nsadmin | or why dekatch has to upgrade the existing kernel when the kernel he's got supports his devices now |
| 04:22.39 | Hebram | I upgraded to hollow wires with a very large gauge. It lets the pidgeons fly faster and carry all the packets! |
| 04:22.49 | dekatch | nsadmin: its just tweaking it |
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| 04:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, or why he needs a discontinued patch |
| 04:22.59 | dekatch | set clock from 200 to 1000 and such |
| 04:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is NOT a reason |
| 04:23.10 | benjamindees | CutMeOwnThroat, I already do |
| 04:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | do what? |
| 04:23.27 | benjamindees | use hollow wires for faster internet |
| 04:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | use hollow wires? |
| 04:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 04:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 04:23.34 | dekatch | disable some options which slow down cpu and dont need on gameservers |
| 04:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | people used to think it works only on modem lines... but it's great with DSL, too |
| 04:24.05 | dekatch | create idler to prevent sleep is also a step which comes after kernel tweaking |
| 04:24.15 | nsadmin | hollow wires don't make a difference except at closer to radio freqs |
| 04:24.34 | nsadmin | nm, that was probably a joke :) |
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| 04:24.40 | Hebram | lol |
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| 04:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | boy, you got no idea... you get extra-speed if you fill them with helium |
| 04:25.18 | macrobat | dekatch: a kernel compiling guide http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
| 04:25.25 | nsadmin | fill lungs w/helium then record your voice |
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| 04:25.27 | Hebram | Wouldn't that suffocate the pidgeons? |
| 04:25.29 | simonrvn | dekatch: um, you already can? WITHOUT patches. |
| 04:25.52 | titan8990 | !compile kernel |
| 04:25.52 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 04:26.05 | titan8990 | !make-kpkg |
| 04:26.05 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 04:26.08 | nsadmin | he's not gonna listen to that, he's already doing what he wants |
| 04:26.19 | benjamindees | nsadmin, radio frequencies, like cable uses? |
| 04:26.20 | dekatch | i know! can i apt-get a 1000 hz kernel? |
| 04:26.25 | macrobat | dekatch: no need for ck patch to set CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
| 04:26.25 | dekatch | nsadmin: no |
| 04:26.28 | simonrvn | setting the clock comes at compile time. it's called make menuconfig and searching in it. might want to try it out.... |
| 04:26.29 | dekatch | i know you point |
| 04:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, why don't we stop disturbing him with reality? |
| 04:26.41 | dekatch | your* |
| 04:26.53 | nsadmin | ok, np |
| 04:27.07 | dekatch | but tweaking the kernel can be usefull |
| 04:27.11 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, let's stop bugging him with reality. |
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| 04:27.33 | nsadmin | hits him with a 21-unit apt house |
| 04:28.48 | nsadmin | cost: $4m, loan you can get: 3m, exp:25k, rev: 40k |
| 04:28.49 | simonrvn | dekatch: hint: CONFIG_TZ . might want to grep your UNPATCHED source tree for that .... |
| 04:29.01 | dekatch | its 5.30 am! i am going to bakery soon! but nsadmin: tweaking the kernel to optimise it for gameserver can be usefull. specially for big gameserver 40 to 64 slots |
| 04:29.12 | simonrvn | useful |
| 04:29.46 | dekatch | useful * :P |
| 04:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | l |
| 04:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 04:30.27 | nsadmin | you hAve to focus on the optimization, it's likely more than one, and likely there would be alters in userland to support what you're optimizing |
| 04:30.54 | nsadmin | you're not saying much about what specific parts you're optimizing nor about the exact requirements |
| 04:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | all that, just to run tetris |
| 04:31.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:31.08 | Hebram | haha |
| 04:31.17 | nsadmin | a 40-slot multitetris server!! |
| 04:31.18 | Hebram | multiplayer 3d tetris |
| 04:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, the blocks should turn... in a snappy way |
| 04:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | kinda like crunchy |
| 04:31.39 | Hebram | is it like tron racing with blocks? |
| 04:31.44 | titan8990 | could have just used emacs |
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| 04:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and the colors... they must become brighter... there's a brightness patch for that |
| 04:32.19 | nsadmin | I do like emacs... but its lisp implementation could use a lot of help |
| 04:32.59 | HandyGandy | nsadmin: You volunteering to rewrite it? |
| 04:33.08 | nsadmin | hell no :) |
| 04:33.12 | HandyGandy | Oh and all the macros that are based on it? |
| 04:33.18 | Hebram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:33.45 | nsadmin | I just don't like that it uses dirty pointers |
| 04:33.53 | macrobat | clojure-emacs, arc or plt-scheme emacs? |
| 04:34.11 | dekatch | tweaking the kernel is based on disable options which needs ressources and can be ignored! similar to tweaking a os |
| 04:34.18 | nsadmin | schemacs? |
| 04:34.34 | nsadmin | isnt' that edwin |
| 04:35.25 | simonrvn | an os |
| 04:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | he means windows |
| 04:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | which you mainly tweak by bringing the disks close to a strong magnet |
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| 04:36.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:36.47 | nsadmin | okok, we gotta stop pickin on this |
| 04:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | WE?! You did nothing! You left all the hard work on picking on him to me! |
| 04:37.13 | simonrvn | yeh, starting to turn !nice |
| 04:37.25 | macrobat | i still prefer to conf the kernel over tweaking it |
| 04:37.32 | Hebram | For ultimate optimization, put it in a MRI. It perfectly line up all the atoms for blazing performance. |
| 04:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but isn't it mean to throw the cancer patient out just for that reason? |
| 04:38.19 | macrobat | and there is the breinfsck scheduler to take into account |
| 04:38.47 | Hebram | No sacrifice is too great for hardcore gaming. |
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| 04:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tetris forever!!!! |
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| 04:45.19 | nsadmin | just don't put a plate in your head when you turn the MRI in |
| 04:45.21 | nsadmin | on |
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| 04:49.14 | macrobat | my delete button stopped working. xev output: http://paste.debian.net/62698/ |
| 04:53.01 | nsadmin | what were you doing at the time it stopped working? |
| 04:53.12 | nsadmin | "deleting" |
| 04:53.15 | nsadmin | what ELSE? |
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| 04:54.30 | roe | are vmware-tools packaged somewhere? |
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| 04:55.04 | macrobat | i may have tried to log in and pressed the wrong buttons |
| 04:55.21 | wols | !vmware |
| 04:55.22 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:58.42 | Rapsodius | Hello, where to get an up-to-date and step-by-step tutorial/HOWTO to compile my own kernel? |
| 04:58.53 | Rapsodius | I already Googled FYI |
| 04:59.07 | Rapsodius | but all its VERY dated |
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| 04:59.31 | macrobat | Rapsodius: a kernel compiling guide http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
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| 05:01.32 | dekatch | ahaha or email kamakuto@debaan.ork ^^ lol no, vever try that ^^ |
| 05:01.45 | dekatch | never* |
| 05:01.50 | Rapsodius | macrobat: thank you, its dated 2009, but serves it purpose well, since its Lenny |
| 05:02.05 | adb | witch package has /etc/fstab |
| 05:02.06 | adb | ? |
| 05:02.26 | macrobat | Rapsodius: it worked with sid with a few adjustments |
| 05:03.12 | macrobat | are all files owned by pkgs? |
| 05:04.28 | Rapsodius | excellent, and tell me why do I need fakeroot to compile it? |
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| 05:04.50 | komodin | hi |
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| 05:06.37 | Rapsodius | Which source should I get? I'm talking of a VERY old computer, and want to get even the last processor cycle out of it |
| 05:06.43 | macrobat | you compile in a folder in you r home, the compile will think it is happening in / and place files accordingly, then from that a .deb is made that you can install |
| 05:06.58 | komodin | I'm at debian stable, and I accidentally upgraded these packages to testing version: dpkg libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libcurl3 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 libidn11 libssh2-1 locales |
| 05:07.03 | komodin | It's serious? |
| 05:07.16 | Rapsodius | komodin: I don't think so |
| 05:07.34 | Rapsodius | komodin: you can downgrade them to stable back easily |
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| 05:07.42 | macrobat | komodin: if libc6 is testing you cant go back without reinstalling |
| 05:07.45 | adb | komodin, now you are on testing .. |
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| 05:07.58 | Rapsodius | komodin: just download the debs and dpkg -i on them |
| 05:08.17 | komodin | prom packages.debian.org? |
| 05:08.18 | komodin | *from |
| 05:08.30 | nvz | Rapsodius: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:08.45 | komodin | LOL! |
| 05:08.53 | Rapsodius | xD |
| 05:09.01 | nvz | because maybe you should, then you'd at least have an excuse |
| 05:09.47 | komodin | so... |
| 05:09.50 | komodin | I can do it or not? |
| 05:09.56 | Rapsodius | REALLY you can't go back? |
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| 05:10.00 | nvz | no, you can't |
| 05:10.08 | komodin | why? |
| 05:10.19 | macrobat | komodin: you can run testing a while, squeeze will eventually be stable |
| 05:10.24 | nvz | just doesn't work that way |
| 05:11.00 | Rapsodius | and isn't that bad anyways, while youre at it, you can upgrade the rest of your packages to squeeze then |
| 05:11.12 | nvz | Debian is like time.. sometimes it seems to take forever, it flies when you're having fun, and you can't go back. |
| 05:11.30 | komodin | but only upgraded the packages I said |
| 05:11.35 | komodin | not all |
| 05:11.48 | macrobat | the old debs should be in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:11.55 | komodin | I can't make the dpkg -i of the .deb o f packages.debian.rg? |
| 05:12.15 | komodin | macrobat: nope, aptitude clean |
| 05:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you *just* upgrade "dpkg libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libcurl3 libgcrypt11"? |
| 05:12.30 | nvz | you do that, let me know how it works |
| 05:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't libc6 pull in pretty much everything else? |
| 05:12.34 | macrobat | you burned a bridge |
| 05:12.37 | komodin | CutMeOwnThroat: when I installed a package |
| 05:12.55 | komodin | the aptitude only upgraded these packages |
| 05:13.13 | Rapsodius | Cutme: its quit the reverse, EVERYTHING pulls libc6 |
| 05:13.17 | Rapsodius | *quite |
| 05:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:13.25 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: somehow I don't think asking a logical question was a smart thing to do unless you wanted an answer in stupinese |
| 05:14.14 | komodin | ok, o |
| 05:14.15 | komodin | ok |
| 05:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, he's right... lenny (or etch, even) packages all depend on libc6 >x.xxx |
| 05:14.19 | komodin | I can't do it? |
| 05:14.46 | macrobat | komodin: just dl and try, then you will know with more certainty |
| 05:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see any special reason why he can't try to go back if he knows that it's only those 5 packages |
| 05:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course... if it fails, he's borked :) |
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| 05:15.15 | komodin | If I don't do it, and I reboot... the system start? |
| 05:15.17 | nvz | gonna take some --ignore--depends-version I would imagine |
| 05:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, why do you think it doesn't work? |
| 05:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 05:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | just aptitude install dpkg libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libcurl3 libgcrypt11 -t stable |
| 05:16.19 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: well its not going to replace an newer package with an older one, and you can't remove libc6... |
| 05:16.27 | komodin | nope, doesn't work |
| 05:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, it doesn't? why not? |
| 05:16.44 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: its just not the way the system was designed to work |
| 05:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you can downgrade |
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| 05:17.03 | dtoliaferro | Why is it that aptitude can't find vsftpd? |
| 05:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can just wreck havoc with the configuration |
| 05:17.10 | Rapsodius | macrobat: the tutorial wants me to download ncurses-dev, but it is a virtual package, what should I do? |
| 05:18.04 | nvz | Rapsodius: virutal packages exist for pulling in the real one. which is libncurses5-dev I believe |
| 05:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | komodin, what's it say? |
| 05:18.30 | macrobat | Rapsodius: it installed libncurses5-dev for me |
| 05:18.38 | nvz | places his bets on "are you smoking crack" |
| 05:18.43 | nvz | is what it says |
| 05:19.06 | Rapsodius | fine |
| 05:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I did that (moderately) *often* (NOT with libc6, though), dunno if I used apt-get, aptitude and -t stable or package=version or ... |
| 05:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no further or, I think that was it :) |
| 05:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | komodin, what is the error aptitude gives you? |
| 05:20.31 | nvz | crosses his fingers "are you smoking crack?" ... "are you smoking crack?".. c'mon, "are you smoking crack?" |
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| 05:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, but I'm positive that apt downgrades when you request it |
| 05:20.56 | herbero | if enabled in BIOS and boot menu, why ON EARTH would a debian iso not load that loaded yesterday? |
| 05:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you even know what crack is? :) |
| 05:21.04 | herbero | cdrom is my boot priorty |
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| 05:21.22 | nvz | I believe its what happens when they cook cocain with bakingsoda |
| 05:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's enabled in the bios? |
| 05:21.23 | herbero | CutMeOwnThroat: delicious, that's what it is |
| 05:21.30 | nvz | not that I've ever seen the stuff |
| 05:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win nvz |
| 05:21.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:21.32 | herbero | cd-rom |
| 05:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, yeah - I read it on wikipedia... and they call it "crack", because it "cracks" when they do it.... |
| 05:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, goes to show what drugs do to your brain... |
| 05:22.18 | herbero | dis is crazy, I cannot get past "verifying DMI pool data" |
| 05:22.18 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, the people who use that stuff aren't scholars |
| 05:22.20 | Rapsodius | should I install fakeroot or fakeroot-ng |
| 05:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (read it 1-2 years ago) |
| 05:22.22 | Rapsodius | ? |
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| 05:23.01 | macrobat | fakeroot worked for me |
| 05:23.26 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: they are pretty funny though, for awhile.. until you turn the lights on and they scatter like cockroaches with your flatscreen tv and PS3 to go trade for more crack.. |
| 05:23.50 | komodin | many thanks |
| 05:23.54 | komodin | good bye |
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| 05:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he didn't tell us if it worked |
| 05:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not trying on my system |
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| 05:24.34 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: could setup a chroot and debootstrap it and test it pretty quick.. |
| 05:24.42 | adb | witch package get/has /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:24.49 | nvz | haha |
| 05:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, use apt-file? |
| 05:25.11 | adb | not there |
| 05:25.47 | nvz | asking that question means you 1) screwed up your fstab, and 2) think it comes in a package, like maintainers can psychically tell what filesystems you have. |
| 05:26.03 | nvz | this must be amature comedy night in #debian |
| 05:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, ah, come to think of it.. installer creates it for you |
| 05:26.42 | dtoliaferro | How can I check which repository a piece of software is in? I'm trying to install vsftpd and I keep getting "couldn't find package vsftpd" |
| 05:26.45 | adb | yea, i just need it on a new system i create .. |
| 05:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, I actually thought an empty one is in base-files |
| 05:26.56 | macrobat | this is probably not what you want aufs-tools: /usr/share/doc/aufs-tools/examples/diskless/ifiles/etc/fstab |
| 05:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that'd be pretty pointless :) |
| 05:27.19 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah def would be. |
| 05:27.21 | adb | macrobat, nah , i means in a new system |
| 05:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said... the installer creates it |
| 05:27.40 | herbero | oh man this is bad |
| 05:27.45 | herbero | my BIOS keeps crashing |
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| 05:27.53 | macrobat | dtoliaferro: you enable repos one at a time, aptitude update and aptitude search |
| 05:28.10 | nvz | adb: is the system already installed and you f'd something up? |
| 05:28.18 | nvz | cause in that case you can work with whats in /etc/mtab |
| 05:28.27 | dtoliaferro | macrobat: Hmm, I tried that. Aptitude can't even find vsftpd |
| 05:28.28 | macrobat | dtoliaferro: or you visit a debian mirror with a browser or a ftp client |
| 05:28.52 | adb | nvz, on a new system i create with debootstrap |
| 05:29.03 | macrobat | dtoliaferro: i have it in lenny/main |
| 05:29.03 | Rapsodius | dtoliaferro: perhaps that package isn't on the release you're pulling from |
| 05:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dtoliaferro, apt-cache madison <package> |
| 05:29.12 | adb | s/ on /for |
| 05:29.25 | Rapsodius | for example my current console IRC client, naim, is only on lentnt |
| 05:29.30 | Rapsodius | *lenny |
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| 05:29.36 | nvz | adb: well in that case, you have to write it from scratch.. cause there is no way for anyone or anything other than you to know what the fs configuration of that system will be |
| 05:29.42 | macrobat | ,versions vsftpd |
| 05:29.44 | judd | vsftpd -- etch: 2.0.5-2; lenny: 2.0.7-1; sid: 2.2.2-3; squeeze: 2.2.2-3 |
| 05:30.03 | nvz | adb: if you can't handle creating an fstab, give up.. go download debian installer. |
| 05:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not hard, though |
| 05:30.21 | dtoliaferro | Hmm... |
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| 05:30.43 | Rapsodius | maybe man fstab and man mount are interesting reads |
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| 05:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd just copy it from another machine and adjust |
| 05:31.09 | adb | nvz, nah, i need only the package name that get that 'etc/fstab' not the configuration i may put in |
| 05:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | /dev/cdrom is a symlink anyway |
| 05:31.24 | nvz | adb: there is no f'n package name |
| 05:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, I thought we just established there is none |
| 05:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | extensively |
| 05:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | exhaustingly :) |
| 05:31.52 | nvz | adb: in case you are oh, idk.. stupid.. fstab is a file that contains a list of your filesystems and where and how to mount them.. thats it.. |
| 05:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he was just worried he's missing a package |
| 05:32.24 | Rapsodius | !stupid |
| 05:32.24 | dpkg | [stupid] the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='sudo rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 05:32.33 | nvz | yeah.. apt-get install a-clue |
| 05:32.36 | herbero | aaaaag, BIOS freezing cannot boto from ANYTHING |
| 05:32.41 | herbero | *boot |
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| 05:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always remove that little battery inside the computer... |
| 05:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps that's what happened |
| 05:33.22 | adb | nvz, your fixed on stupidness this night , but you wrong |
| 05:33.23 | nvz | "You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance." - Edward Flaherty |
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| 05:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache search clue ------->>> clue - Package to ease upgrading, delete me |
| 05:34.08 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's now called cl-clue |
| 05:34.41 | nvz | adb: best thing you could do is what was suggested, read the fstab and mount manpages. if you don't have them, google.. they are online. |
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| 05:35.22 | herbero | CutMeOwnThroat: will the battery thing work |
| 05:35.22 | herbero | ? |
| 05:35.23 | adb | nvz, it's not about haw to configure it .. |
| 05:35.31 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | herbero, look at my hands... there are no holes in them... how should I know |
| 05:35.51 | nvz | adb: then what is it about? knowing how to create and empty file without a package making one for you? |
| 05:36.02 | nvz | adb: touch /etc/fstab |
| 05:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | herbero, but if your CMOS got somehow corrupted, this would be the way to delete it |
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| 05:38.27 | herbero | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing, thanks anyway |
| 05:38.36 | herbero | F***! |
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| 05:39.00 | herbero | first my RAID crashes, then my entire freaking computer |
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| 05:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you left it outside for some time, right? |
| 05:39.14 | kc8pxy | I'm trying to get REASONABLE performance from my "new" 1TB sata drive. the existing ide drive is getting 120mb/sec from hdparm -t and the sata is getting a blazing fast 4mb/sec reads. ideas? |
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| 05:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | kc8pxy, check your logs |
| 05:40.56 | Rapsodius | oh man! the kernel sources are still unpacking |
| 05:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm only getting ~50-70, but 4 sounds like the drive is producing errors |
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| 05:41.42 | Rapsodius | surely that 30% of it wont be needed by my computer |
| 05:42.39 | wols | Rapsodius: I really wonder why you need to compile your own kernel in the first place |
| 05:43.06 | wols | ah, a gentoo user |
| 05:43.10 | wols | !gentoosmite Rapsodius |
| 05:43.10 | Rapsodius | wols: name it old computer, self-learning, whatever you want |
| 05:43.11 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling Rapsodius, and when it's all done, Rapsodius runs 0.2% faster than previously |
| 05:43.35 | Rapsodius | never used gentoo before, and never will, certainly |
| 05:43.36 | wols | you do not want to compile a kernel on an old computer. it can take a night for the compile to run (literally) |
| 05:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | he heard he can set the clock and make his cpu run twice as fast and wanted some, too |
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| 05:44.08 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: I changed the clock and now mine runes 66% faster |
| 05:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow! so im pressed |
| 05:44.37 | Rapsodius | pressed for burning the processor? |
| 05:44.53 | wols | it runs at 51Ā° max under load |
| 05:44.56 | dtoliaferro | Is there like a super repository I can use that has everything? For Debian Lenny. |
| 05:45.03 | wols | you just have to know what CPU to buy to do it |
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| 05:45.16 | wols | dtoliaferro: what are you missing? |
| 05:45.22 | dtoliaferro | vsftpd |
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| 05:45.27 | wols | that is in main |
| 05:45.29 | Rapsodius | dtoliaferro: you can add testing and sid and then pin them so they have a low priority |
| 05:45.32 | wols | ,versions vsftpd |
| 05:45.34 | judd | vsftpd -- etch: 2.0.5-2; lenny: 2.0.7-1; sid: 2.2.2-3; squeeze: 2.2.2-3 |
| 05:45.38 | kc8pxy | CutMeOwnThroat: which logs would likely have the most relevent errors? dmesg and /var/log/messages don't say anything that point to errors. |
| 05:45.55 | wols | dtoliaferro: do not listen to rapsodius. he doesn't knwo what he's talking about |
| 05:46.12 | dtoliaferro | wols: I'm doing aptitude search ftp and all I'm getting is proftp and the like. |
| 05:46.24 | wols | kc8pxy: what does the log say when the disk is connected and the drivers are loaded? |
| 05:46.27 | dtoliaferro | It's really weird |
| 05:46.43 | wols | dtoliaferro: apt-cache policy vsftpd |
| 05:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | kc8pxy, those were the ones |
| 05:47.10 | dtoliaferro | wols: Unable to locate package vsftpd |
| 05:47.22 | wols | dtoliaferro: pastebin your sources.list please |
| 05:47.27 | kc8pxy | wols: 6.579690] sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA |
| 05:47.28 | dtoliaferro | I've done aptitude update like 300 times |
| 05:47.31 | adb | nvz, Package: partconf-mkfstab |
| 05:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | kc8pxy, could try smartctl to see if there's errors... |
| 05:47.41 | Rapsodius | actually, what I suggested him, would provide him with all the packages, but vsftpd is on lenny already, which I didn't know, that's why I said that in first place |
| 05:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | kc8pxy, on ide disks I'd say "check for DMA", but on sata disks... don't know if it even *can* be off |
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| 05:48.56 | wols | Rapsodius: it will break his debian horribly |
| 05:49.24 | wols | kc8pxy: there is more about sda. like type and model numbers |
| 05:49.48 | wols | kc8pxy: uname -r and lspci -nn output? |
| 05:50.10 | dtoliaferro | wols: http://pastebin.com/qV5pcnKH |
| 05:50.24 | Rapsodius | wols: did you read LOW priority? he can still install packages from everywhere, while mantaining a great percentage of stable packages |
| 05:50.39 | dtoliaferro | wols: I didn't include the DVD's because I commented them out |
| 05:51.07 | wols | Rapsodius: first package from testing or sid will break his lenny. the end |
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| 05:51.23 | wols | dtoliaferro: you miss the main debian repository |
| 05:51.26 | wols | !tell dtoliaferro about mirrors |
| 05:51.34 | dtoliaferro | Ah yes, I thought that might be it. |
| 05:51.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... like picard... |
| 05:51.55 | wols | you commented out the dvds but didn't add a repository on the internet as a replacement |
| 05:52.00 | dtoliaferro | wols: When I installed I didn't pick an apt mirror |
| 05:52.02 | wols | so now you cannot install anything, not just vsftpd |
| 05:52.08 | dtoliaferro | Ok, I understand. |
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| 05:52.09 | wols | yes, that was the problem |
| 05:52.10 | dtoliaferro | Thanks |
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| 05:54.24 | Rapsodius | wols: that happens when one has used testing for a time, it seemed like natural hehe |
| 05:55.03 | thechef | are there any good ftp-replacements, especially regarding following requirements (uses separate password table or samba password table, but under no circumstances /etc/passwd, client runs easily on windows) - optionally: web-based |
| 05:55.17 | kc8pxy | wols: -nn says 03:05.0 Mass storage controller [0180]: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller [1095:3114] (rev 02) |
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| 05:56.01 | wols | thechef: ftp or ftpd? you question is a bit confusing |
| 05:56.04 | kc8pxy | wols: uname -r is 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 05:56.40 | wols | kc8pxy: try to read a big chunk of disk (10 gigabyte or so) and time it |
| 05:56.44 | wols | use dd. |
| 05:57.06 | wols | then you have the real sequential speed. if it's still 4MB, RMA the disk |
| 05:57.11 | thechef | wols: FTP, whole client-server solution. All components that use the File Transfer Protocol should be replaced. |
| 05:57.35 | wols | ncftp or lftp for clients |
| 05:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | thechef, clients and servers have nothing to do with each other |
| 05:57.44 | wols | as for ftpd: you want virtual uesrs? |
| 05:58.07 | wols | *users |
| 05:58.13 | thechef | CutMeOwnThroat, well except that they can understand each other if they speak the same protocol |
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| 05:58.40 | kc8pxy | wols: recommended bs= for dd? |
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| 05:59.02 | wols | kc8pxy: high. make it 50MB? not too high to not waste RAM :) |
| 06:01.21 | daltio111 | guys i want to enable root ssh remotely thrigh securty access.conf |
| 06:01.26 | daltio111 | how i restart service |
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| 06:01.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.55 | daltio111 | wols for root ? |
| 06:02.01 | daltio111 | i have to restrat ssh? |
| 06:02.08 | wols | and I dunno about your debian, but I simply edit my sshd config for root ssh. which is a dumb idea btw |
| 06:02.30 | wols | I don't even know where this access.conf is |
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| 06:02.50 | daltio111 | no no i disable this > i enable secutiry throuh access.conf and controoled with ldap |
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| 06:05.11 | thechef | wols, CutMeOwnThroat: I want to ban all components that speak FTP from my own and customers computers, without losing the functionality that these components provide. |
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| 06:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thechef, they *do* speak the same protocol.. |
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| 06:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | thechef, oh, you want something other than ftp... you should of said |
| 06:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, scp is the thing, usually |
| 06:05.49 | kc8pxy | daltio111: why are you ssh-ing as root? it's on the "Bad Idea(tm)" list. |
| 06:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or sftp |
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| 06:06.07 | daltio111 | ya its 1 time job i want to copy some data |
| 06:06.17 | daltio111 | and its accessible by root only |
| 06:06.27 | daltio111 | and i can not ssh to root |
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| 06:07.10 | exes | you shouldn't ssh to root! |
| 06:07.27 | exes | permitrootlogin no or permitrootlogin without-password at the very least |
| 06:07.38 | thechef | CutMeOwnThroat, do you know a software-solution that provides SFTP (using jails, not using /etc/passwd)? |
| 06:07.58 | kc8pxy | daltio111: ssh as a non-priv, sudo over to root, or sudo cp the file to where you can use it, and ship it out that way. root via ssh is a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 06:07.59 | wols | daltio111: access.conf is the wrong place to change that. but as I and exes said: it's not advised to do so |
| 06:08.02 | exes | thechef: one that used LDAP or MySQL for accounting would be nice |
| 06:08.44 | wols | thechef: what you want to do is by definition impossible |
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| 06:08.58 | kc8pxy | daltio111: one of the few BadIdea(tm)'s that is worse is IRC as root. |
| 06:09.06 | daltio111 | true but data is 60gb and i can not take backup on xp without ssh rroot normal system user can not access that data |
| 06:09.24 | thechef | wols: what exactly is by definition impossible? |
| 06:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it he wants to do? |
| 06:10.01 | wols | disable all ftp but reatin all capabilities of it |
| 06:10.14 | kc8pxy | daltio111: you have a single 60gb file that only root can access? |
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| 06:10.48 | wols | kc8pxy: he tries to copy a directory from debian to windows for 12hours now but refuses to use samba |
| 06:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | thechef, no, that goes via passwd, but you can give the users rssh for their shell |
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| 06:11.39 | daltio111 | yes |
| 06:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | 60GB/12h = 5GB/h |
| 06:12.02 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: I think daltio111 uses the sata disk of kc8pxy |
| 06:12.03 | kc8pxy | wols: sounds like a "massive headache and a bloddy wall" plan of action. |
| 06:12.04 | daltio111 | i have gig bit switch |
| 06:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, you're reading my thoughts.... |
| 06:12.42 | wols | kc8pxy: and news on the dd front? |
| 06:12.43 | Hebram | kc8pxy: haha |
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| 06:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hebram, so did you try booting the machine with a real heavy winter boot? |
| 06:13.15 | wols | thechef: which version of "secure" ftp do you want btw? |
| 06:13.46 | thechef | wols, no certain version requirement |
| 06:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the golden retriever version of course |
| 06:14.12 | wols | thechef: then maybe you should learn a bit more before you leap into action? inform yourself |
| 06:14.17 | kc8pxy | wols: still out to lunch with time `dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/null bs=50M count=200` |
| 06:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he'll say he's just doing that... in here |
| 06:14.29 | wols | doesn't sound too good :( |
| 06:14.41 | Hebram | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes. It was ill advised. I kicked it wearing Uggs. The sharp metal on the chassis severed several toes. |
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| 06:15.04 | wols | severed? do we need to call the ambulance? |
| 06:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hebram, so you're typing from a hospital now? |
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| 06:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the blood-loss on losing an extremity can be lethal |
| 06:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's a guy with my nick telling you that |
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| 06:16.25 | Hebram | Yeah. They are firing up the MRI for me. I am gonna tweak the kernel and get all the electrons in line so that I can play Gnometris Extreme Multiplyer 4D. |
| 06:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't play that without toes |
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| 06:17.19 | wols | obviously you are already bleeding to death. your brain isn't oxygenated asymore due to blood loss and you are hallucinating |
| 06:18.01 | Hebram | I was already hallucinating before the blood loss. |
| 06:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're hallucinating it cut off the toes |
| 06:18.36 | wols | yes, #D is worse than LSD. prolonged exposure always leads to psychosis |
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| 06:21.32 | Hebram | I find it quite odd that all of these unstable people are able to produce such a stable distro. |
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| 06:22.52 | kc8pxy | stability is a qualitative measure.. depends on where you are looking from :) |
| 06:23.01 | Hebram | True dat |
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| 06:24.35 | kc8pxy | wols: time and dd are still out to lunch.. long enough to RMA it (if they will still take it). |
| 06:24.41 | kc8pxy | ?? |
| 06:25.09 | tingi | i've 3 ftp clients ( 2 packages, 1 custom written), i need to find out when transferring 3 GB video files which one takes least load on CPU and is suggested for other applications to run smoothly. How do i test this ? |
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| 06:26.57 | wols | kc8pxy: imho yes. if you can, try it in another PC to rule out other issues. maybe another OS (windows, BSD) too |
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| 06:27.58 | kc8pxy | wols: will suggest it.. I'm the linux guru for the guys, and I'll recommend that testing. |
| 06:29.16 | wols | has that controller used for anything before? |
| 06:29.17 | kc8pxy | wols: just killed the task.. it got to 8.0 gb |
| 06:29.18 | kc8pxy | 8021606400 bytes (8.0 GB) copied, 1637.93 s, 4.9 MB/s |
| 06:29.39 | wols | as far as linux is concerned, it's an old controller, supported for years now, so I doubt there are serious bugs left |
| 06:29.45 | wols | ouch! |
| 06:30.40 | kc8pxy | wols: not that i recall.. i opened sdparm, and there's lots i don't understand in there. |
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| 06:35.36 | Devastator | kc8pxy why don't you test with other OS, just to be sure? |
| 06:37.11 | kc8pxy | Devastator: will try. drive and machine are not on-site with me. |
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| 06:39.20 | Rapsodius | should I select Low-Latency Desktop or Desktop under Preemption Model? |
| 06:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | kc8pxy, well, if you care to try something that won't work either... do hdparm -d1 /dev/sd(whatever) |
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| 06:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or look at hdparm -i /dev/sdwhatever |
| 06:40.32 | Hebram | Would "GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide" be a good resource to cut my growing Debian teeth on? |
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| 06:41.40 | wols | Hebram: we're debian zealots. we only know debian stuff |
| 06:41.42 | nvz | does this look like a book club? |
| 06:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, actually, now that you ask... |
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| 06:42.27 | Hebram | LOL |
| 06:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | y'all HAVE read hitchhikers guide through the galaxy, haven't you? |
| 06:43.08 | nvz | I'm such a debian zealot, I bleed in swirls |
| 06:43.21 | Hebram | I know where my towel is. |
| 06:43.22 | nvz | s/through/to/ |
| 06:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you're a woman! |
| 06:43.39 | nvz | shh, thats suppose to be a secret |
| 06:43.46 | wols | now that you found out her secret, she has to kill you |
| 06:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you gave it away with the bleeding bit |
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| 06:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, someone told me quoting xkcd is totally unfunny |
| 06:44.25 | nvz | its true, I'm secretly a lesbian in a mans body |
| 06:44.29 | wols | what xkcd quoting? |
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| 06:44.50 | JPT | that's what SHE said... |
| 06:44.59 | wols | nvz: go and fondle your boobs then |
| 06:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he denies it! |
| 06:45.25 | Hebram | haha |
| 06:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would say 707 xkcd quoting |
| 06:46.52 | nvz | I think I'm a bit too old for hormone therapy to even do me any justice in that dept |
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| 06:47.06 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: how old are you? 8? only an 8 year old thinks "but then I'd have to kill you" is something xkcd said |
| 06:47.44 | wols | nvz: it's never too late to eat more burgers. hormones and the needed mass increase material all in one conventient package |
| 06:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, of course I am, old man |
| 06:48.41 | nvz | I have unbelievably high metabolism. I have next to no body fat |
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| 06:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the hormones, man |
| 06:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, woman |
| 06:49.19 | Hebram | lol |
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| 06:50.10 | nvz | yeah well even if there were a free vaginoplasty clinic I don't think I'd wanna try it.. haha. and hormone therapy is said to lead to cancer. |
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| 06:50.42 | nvz | I'll just have to stick to the real thing |
| 06:51.19 | Hebram | vaginoplasty.. now that's a word |
| 06:51.37 | nvz | heh, it was either that, or penis inversion.. |
| 06:51.52 | joshteam | anyone have any xp trying to install pecl extensions here? |
| 06:52.00 | nvz | or the more euphamistic sexual reassignment |
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| 06:52.28 | Hebram | ow, ow, and more owwwwww |
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| 06:54.49 | nvz | this is why there are manties, and cunnilingus.. for when lesbians are born into a mans body.. haha |
| 06:55.14 | JayJaymires | Ā£ĀĀ§ĆƮƄƱĀ§ :) |
| 06:55.18 | Hebram | hahaha |
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| 06:56.51 | larrikin | I discovered porn in a terminal via mplayer & aalib .. oh baby |
| 06:57.27 | nvz | aalib is pretty slick |
| 06:57.29 | Hebram | What is that? I period doing a pole dance around a pipe? |
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| 06:57.39 | larrikin | something like that |
| 06:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... I wonder... rule 34 again |
| 06:58.02 | larrikin | there are rules ? |
| 06:58.02 | Hebram | rule 34? |
| 06:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there sites that specialized on... |
| 06:58.19 | Hebram | !rule |
| 06:58.20 | dpkg | i guess rule is distribution rule/suck graph at http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.year.png |
| 06:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 06:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what world are you from that you don't know rule 34? |
| 06:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule%2034 |
| 06:59.02 | Hebram | The wrong one. |
| 06:59.42 | Hebram | Ahh... that clears that up. |
| 07:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions." or |
| 07:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, ascii porn has its own wikipedia article |
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| 07:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | larrikin, ever watched "titanic" via aalib? |
| 07:03.34 | larrikin | not exactly |
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| 07:05.28 | k23z__ | CutMeOwnThroat: your own ? |
| 07:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
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| 07:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we've been offtopic for an hour or so now |
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| 07:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, can't imagine why, but I still got a load of 14 ... that's a lot to be explained by waiting processes |
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| 07:16.32 | tobago | is it correct that in my /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers is the path /usr/bin/X11/X instead of /usr/bin/Xorg ? |
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| 07:20.37 | ArtVandalae | Hi all... I'm slightly unsure about software RAID.. while this isn't specifically Debian, I will be implementing this system on Debian, so I hope someone can help: I want to implement a RAID array with mdadm. I will then throw LVM on top of that, and then ext3 on top of that. Anyway, let's say I have two partitions. a root partition /, and a home partition (/home). Let's say I ever wanted to upgrade to a newer Debian version, an |
| 07:20.37 | ArtVandalae | d I wanted to do a fresh OS install. I would reformat the / partition, and then install the new Debian. The issue that I'm having is: How would the new Debian OS know of the RAID array? Since it's a software RAID, doesn't the config need to be stored somewhere (e.g. the root partition)? |
| 07:20.43 | ArtVandalae | Sorry about the long question |
| 07:22.08 | ArtVandalae | The alternative I'm thinking is have two RAID arrays: 1 RAID array for the root partition, and 1 RAID array for the /home partition. But once again.. if I was to ever format the root partition, how would the new OS know of the /home partition. Any advice would be great, cheers. |
| 07:24.44 | wols | you simply tell it where /home is by editing fstab and selecting the proper mount point /home/ |
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| 07:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, there's no need to do a fresh install to upgrade to the next version of debian |
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| 07:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, he wonders how to re-assemble the software raid... |
| 07:27.15 | ArtVandalae | Hm.. guys it's okay, I found the answer here: http://serverfault.com/questions/24167/does-a-software-raid-break-when-reinstalling-the-os |
| 07:27.17 | ArtVandalae | Thanks for your help |
| 07:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, any of those answers any good? |
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| 07:30.38 | ArtVandalae | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah the answer by Lissom makes sense... Linux uses a "RAID partition" format. So that would explain how it would "detect it". I might try do some experiments in a VM before doing anything though :) |
| 07:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, I've set up my software raid.... but forgot most of it and didn't do much |
| 07:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, you might look at /etc/mdadm.conf and "man mdadm.conf" |
| 07:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, but as I said... there should be no need to reinstall :) |
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| 07:50.40 | iceroot | when using apt-get update (or aptitude..) its only reading the Packages-file from the repo? and that content i am searching with apt-cache search? or are there any other files too, that apt-get update is reading? because there are difference between what apt-cache search is showing and the Packages-file |
| 07:51.03 | wols | what differences? |
| 07:52.20 | iceroot | the description in Packages doesnt match the apt-cache show description |
| 07:52.44 | iceroot | but its the correct repo-path apt-cache show is showing |
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| 07:54.39 | iceroot | maybe there is something cached but i thought that apt-get update is killing the local informations and loading the new infos from the repo |
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| 08:08.23 | tobago | is it correct that in my /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers is the path /usr/bin/X11/X instead of /usr/bin/Xorg ? |
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| 08:09.30 | Joint | hey how do i disable the rm command for a user? |
| 08:10.02 | NotInternat | good luck with that |
| 08:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 08:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and |
| 08:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 08:10.24 | wols | Joint: you don't. you set the permissions of the files/directories you don't want him to delete properly |
| 08:10.37 | gothenburg | Good morning |
| 08:10.40 | Joint | but how do i do that? |
| 08:10.53 | wols | you cannot disable the rm command since then the user just uses another program like mc. any program can call unlink() |
| 08:10.58 | mcsmurf | hi, I wanted to try out to set up a simple (local) NIS installation on Debian 5.0.4, so I installed the nis package and activated the NIS server in /etc/default/nis (NISSERVER=master) and I've added "ypserver 127.0.0.1" to yp.conf |
| 08:11.15 | wols | Joint: man chmod;man chown |
| 08:11.22 | mcsmurf | problem is then when I restart via init.d/nis, ypbind fails to bind to the server |
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| 08:11.26 | nooper | google unix permissions |
| 08:11.31 | mcsmurf | is there anything obvious what I am missing? |
| 08:12.11 | peterrooney | tobago: is that where your X server is? |
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| 08:14.08 | mcsmurf | (output on command line is "Starting NIS services: ypserv yppasswdd ypxfrd ypbindbinding to YP server...............................failed (backgrounded)") |
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| 08:17.52 | tobago | peterrooney, i don't know what you mean. i just read: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 because my wdm doesn't start the login screen automatically. |
| 08:19.08 | tobago | peterrooney, and /usr/bin/X11/X is a folder and /usr/bin/Xorg is a file. |
| 08:20.20 | peterrooney | tobago: mine has one non-comment line, |
| 08:20.23 | peterrooney | :0 local /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten TCP |
| 08:20.55 | peterrooney | ^^ that was the one non-comment line |
| 08:21.18 | tobago | peterrooney, yes. mine to. but /usr/bin/X11/X is a folder isn't it? |
| 08:22.02 | peterrooney | nope. |
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| 08:23.07 | peterrooney | ls -ald (and file) /usr/bin/X11/X says otherwise |
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| 08:23.23 | mcsmurf | ah solved my NIS problem *duh* |
| 08:23.40 | mcsmurf | of course I first need to init the NIS server, then ypbind works fine... |
| 08:23.50 | mcsmurf | (ypinit -m) |
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| 08:26.26 | flaccid | i have debian 5.0.4 netinst. i want to TUI install expert. i have selected expert. where do i select installation source for net? |
| 08:27.06 | flaccid | ethernet card not found |
| 08:27.18 | wols | flaccid: what network chip is it? |
| 08:27.33 | flaccid | realtek something or other |
| 08:28.25 | wols | "something or other" doesn't really cut it. try kmuto's installer /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 08:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols meant try something or other |
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| 08:29.34 | wols | I most certainly did not |
| 08:29.37 | flaccid | wols i would advise, but this shell does not have required commands to get the chipset |
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| 08:29.53 | flaccid | why would i try kmutos installer whatever that is.. |
| 08:30.14 | flaccid | i need lshw or lspci or something |
| 08:30.30 | flaccid | ok lspci is there |
| 08:30.36 | flaccid | so here you go |
| 08:31.09 | flaccid | Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 08:31.16 | flaccid | wols, now? |
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| 08:32.22 | wols | you would try it sinc you have hardware that you say doesn't work |
| 08:32.26 | tobago | peterrooney, o.k. but what might be the cause for not starting wdm correctly? it's in the correct runlevel (and it tries to start it but after some flickering it fails and offers the console). |
| 08:32.38 | wols | have you executed the command I told you (in your irc client)? |
| 08:32.54 | flaccid | wols, you don't make sense |
| 08:32.56 | wols | tobago: have you tried pointing to the normal Xorg binary? |
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| 08:33.34 | nachos | hi, how can i revert a package back to standard config |
| 08:33.40 | wols | flaccid: have you typed /msg dpkg kmuto ? yes or no? |
| 08:33.41 | nachos | i screwed up my exim4 config |
| 08:34.21 | flaccid | wols, yes. you are making a big guess. my chip is supported |
| 08:34.26 | tobago | wols, where to point (/etc/X11/wdm/Xservers)? where is the the Xorg binary? |
| 08:34.35 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure <package> is one way. but that's not a revert directly. otherwise, you can delete the config file(s) and do a /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:34.44 | flaccid | wols hopefully you can prove me wrong |
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| 08:35.35 | wols | flaccid: I know, since I have the same one. tho there were people in here lately that said it didn't work for them. possibly a new revision |
| 08:35.55 | wols | and the only choice you have is to use a newer kernel, which kmuto provides |
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| 08:36.30 | wols | tobago: /usr/bin/Xorg is a 1,7MB file here. does that answer your question? |
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| 08:37.16 | flaccid | wols thanks. i will do this now and let you know. freebsd was a fail as well |
| 08:37.49 | tobago | wols, i pointed to that file in my /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers (i substituted the original path /usr/bin/X11/X), but that didn't change anything. |
| 08:37.50 | wols | flaccid: curious, how old is your hardware? |
| 08:38.27 | wols | tobago: startx works? tried other DMs? |
| 08:38.40 | tobago | it still flickers, fails and only serves the console instead of the login screen. |
| 08:38.48 | tobago | wols, startx works. |
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| 08:39.05 | flaccid | wols sorry for the attitude. i'm just sick of going through endless issues to have a workable desktop. i'm an engineer, servers are always fine, desktop dif story. hardware would be up to 5 years old i reckon |
| 08:39.09 | wols | purge wdm and reinstall it? |
| 08:39.11 | tobago | wols, i didn't tried other DMs. |
| 08:39.19 | tobago | wols, o.k. will do so. |
| 08:39.20 | flaccid | its an asus notebook |
| 08:39.33 | wols | it's strange if old hardware doesn't work :( |
| 08:39.40 | wols | anything in dmesg about it? |
| 08:39.41 | flaccid | yep |
| 08:39.52 | flaccid | not really hey, its possible that its burnt out i guess |
| 08:39.56 | nachos | how can i reinstall the config files for exim4? |
| 08:40.03 | nachos | i need to purge it before i reinstall |
| 08:40.08 | flaccid | but freebsd did assign it a device |
| 08:40.33 | flaccid | in deb, comes up in dmesg i think , but fails in ethdetect |
| 08:40.38 | wols | nachos: you don't need to purge or reinstall. |
| 08:40.46 | nachos | wols: what do i need to do then ? |
| 08:40.56 | wols | flaccid: dmesg will tell you something like "eth0 up, 1000MBit/s |
| 08:41.00 | nachos | i edited the template and screwed it up |
| 08:41.06 | wols | if it doesn't, it's borked |
| 08:41.22 | flaccid | wols don't think it gets that far coz of lack of detection by kernel, so i hope your link works |
| 08:41.49 | wols | nachos: delete the files and /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, less likely if it's old hardware |
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| 08:42.24 | nachos | thanks wols |
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| 08:49.33 | flaccid | is it possible to install a debian desktop from 1 cd? |
| 08:49.34 | nachos | where does the definitions for the exim4 macros live? |
| 08:49.52 | flaccid | is it possible to install debian via wireless netinst? |
| 08:50.34 | wols | flaccid: you don't need a network connection at all to install debian via netinst |
| 08:50.55 | wols | install it. after installation you have a minimal but working debian |
| 08:51.18 | wols | then install and configure your wlan and run either aptitude or tasksel |
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| 08:51.53 | wols | the problem with wlan at installation time is, many chips need non-free firmware or wpa (wpa is not in netinst afaik) |
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| 08:52.40 | tobago | wols, did it but it changed anything. |
| 08:53.35 | flaccid | wols ok thanks, didn't realise that netinst was 'minimal' |
| 08:54.36 | flaccid | its not like that with many other os/distro |
| 08:54.39 | tobago | just to explain the issue a bit more: the pc is connected to the monitor by hdmi and when booting, it flickers (as if it tries to start the wdm login screen), fails and serves the console. |
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| 08:54.46 | flaccid | i have selected the default 'Install' option, lets see what happens |
| 08:54.47 | wols | it's probably for historical reasons |
| 08:54.55 | tobago | so the wdm is in the correct runlevel. |
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| 08:55.19 | flaccid | failed to copy contents from cd-rom. there is nothing wrong with it |
| 08:55.20 | tobago | deinstalling it with purge and installing it again doesn't change anything. |
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| 08:55.26 | fant0m_ | i was install the grub2 and os-prober (grubpc, etc.) from apt-get on debian, but is a beta and now i have download a grub-1.97.2 it compiles ok but on boot i still showing beta3 from older how can i upgrade that? |
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| 08:55.51 | flaccid | appears to be buffer i/o error |
| 08:56.12 | wols | flaccid: you sure thet laptop is in working order? *g* |
| 08:56.36 | flaccid | no i'm not sure, but was last time |
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| 08:56.38 | wols | tobago: try to run wdm manually? |
| 08:56.46 | flaccid | checking cd rom integrity |
| 08:57.11 | gothenburg | wols: aha? |
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| 08:57.20 | flaccid | failed. i will try this other image |
| 08:57.22 | gothenburg | wols: a WM? |
| 08:57.24 | wols | gothenburg: ? |
| 08:57.41 | tobago | wols, just executing wdm? |
| 08:57.54 | wols | look into the init script for wdm maybe |
| 08:57.56 | gothenburg | If it is a Windows manager: echo "exec wdm" > .xinitrc |
| 08:57.58 | gothenburg | $ startx |
| 08:58.17 | wols | the goal is for wdm to output something to your console from where you start it, so you can hopefully see an error message |
| 08:58.18 | gothenburg | aha.. |
| 08:58.22 | gothenburg | chrunches |
| 08:58.39 | wols | gothenburg: no, a Dm is not a windowmanager, no matter how many w's are in its name |
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| 08:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, could be your cdrom drive... had any problems with it? |
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| 08:59.23 | flaccid | no problems |
| 08:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, specially if it's an older laptop... cd drives tend to deadjust = unfocus |
| 08:59.40 | arisv | hello. any ideas in order to get this to work in a debian sid? Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster |
| 08:59.48 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat yeah i know |
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| 09:00.29 | wols | arisv: what is the PCIID? |
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| 09:00.47 | arisv | wols, pciid? |
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| 09:00.57 | wols | flaccid: you can always try a usb install |
| 09:01.06 | wols | arisv: run lspci -nn and pastebin the output |
| 09:01.15 | arisv | ok |
| 09:02.26 | arisv | wols, here it is http://pastebin.ca/1824910 |
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| 09:03.46 | wols | ,pciid 1102:0007 |
| 09:03.48 | judd | [1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0007 and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module. |
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| 09:04.01 | wols | arisv: there is your answer |
| 09:04.15 | arisv | wols, so what i have to do now that i know the pciid? |
| 09:05.27 | wols | you know now which driver it uses |
| 09:05.40 | wols | !tell arisv about alsa checklist |
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| 09:06.19 | kj4 | 6~6~6~6~6~6~6~000000 |
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| 09:10.02 | arisv | wols, a little bit more specific? don't have sound at aplay |
| 09:11.35 | wols | do you have /dev/snd* ? |
| 09:11.47 | arisv | yes, wanna paste it? |
| 09:12.00 | wols | no |
| 09:12.14 | wols | and what does alsamixer say? |
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| 09:12.46 | arisv | something like card: pcsp, chip: pc-speaker and has only three bars |
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| 09:13.35 | MandCaster | i am looking for a gui like gnome, but with SCUMM engine |
| 09:14.18 | wols | gnome is a desktop environment. scumm is a adventure game engine... |
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| 09:14.42 | MandCaster | yeah i want to combine those techniques |
| 09:14.57 | wols | not in debian. try google |
| 09:15.17 | MandCaster | use firefox with google |
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| 09:17.22 | rss | hi, mplayer and totem plays videos with stripes |
| 09:17.32 | rss | I recently upgraded sid |
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| 09:20.22 | arisv | wols, any ideas? |
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| 09:20.57 | wols | !any idea |
| 09:20.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 09:21.13 | wols | arisv: you simply don't give enough info and I don't like spoonfeeding |
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| 09:21.31 | rss | wols: about what? |
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| 09:23.26 | wols | rss: you run sid |
| 09:23.27 | arisv | wols, check this: http://pastebin.ca/1824927 |
| 09:24.08 | MarkGi | Hi, I am trying secure my mail server (postfix/dovecot), it's always been used internally at home on my network, so I have never paid too much attention to security because it's behind a firewalled NAT. However I just ordered myself a nice HTC Hero, and it's that time to make my servers internet visible..... I think I have locked down dovecot. However is plaintext autentication OK, as long as a force TLS? |
| 09:24.16 | cahoot | played with some other sound 'drivers'? arisv |
| 09:24.24 | rss | wols: yes |
| 09:24.27 | tobago | wols, i startet wdm manually by xinit. it startet (ugly background and the console as window). i quit with exit but there were only warnings (WW). no (EE). |
| 09:24.29 | wols | MarkGi: yes |
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| 09:24.46 | arisv | cahoot, what do u mean? |
| 09:24.53 | wols | rss: then you know that sid breaks. always and often. and you got to keep the pieces |
| 09:25.16 | rss | wols: yes, I've been too long a sid user to know that |
| 09:25.17 | cahoot | arisv: installed 'drivers' from other source? |
| 09:25.23 | arisv | cahoot, no |
| 09:25.33 | wols | arisv: uname -r |
| 09:25.43 | MarkGi | my only other problen is setting up postfix to prevent relaying. it seems I need to use sasl, but all the instructions need crap like mysql databases, which for a small embedded Sheevaplug is WAY OTT. is there a simple way? |
| 09:25.55 | wols | rss: then you shouldn't ask other people for help. and you should know that this channel is not for sid problems either |
| 09:25.55 | rss | wols: I am not complaining, I asked to find out whether it is a known bug and is their any fix, say removing a bad package |
| 09:25.57 | arisv | wols, 2.6.32-2-686 |
| 09:26.15 | rss | *there |
| 09:26.18 | wols | MarkGi: postfix is by default set up to prevent relaying. you have to fsck that up to change that |
| 09:26.40 | wols | MarkGi: yes there is a simple way and postfix docs tell you how |
| 09:27.30 | cahoot | arisv: downloaded and installed a 'alsa-driver package' from where? |
| 09:27.38 | arisv | cahoot, i tried to build the alsa-source with m-a but i got an error |
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| 09:27.50 | rss | wols: well... to each one his own, it's IRC ftw |
| 09:27.51 | arisv | cahoot, same with the alsa-driver source, yes |
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| 09:27.57 | MarkGi | I have read about 20 different ways, all of them different, most of them old and out of date... I have seen new stuff about using dovecot for postfix SMTP authentication, but it refers to Ubuntu. Does the Debian builds of dovecot also have this feature enabled? |
| 09:28.03 | wols | arisv: reinstall your debian kernel so you actually have snd.ko and friends |
| 09:28.13 | cahoot | arisv: ok - seems you've succeeded in removing the alsa/sound part of the kernel |
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| 09:28.22 | arisv | ok |
| 09:28.26 | flaccid | wols, asking me my interface, so i think the cd was a bad burn |
| 09:28.34 | wols | flaccid: good luck |
| 09:28.42 | flaccid | thanks y0 |
| 09:28.49 | wols | mversions postfix-doc |
| 09:28.53 | wols | ,versions postfix-doc |
| 09:28.54 | judd | postfix-doc -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; sid: 2.6.5-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-3; sid: 2.7.0-1 |
| 09:30.05 | jjuran | Greetings. Is anyone familiar with runit? |
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| 09:30.48 | wols | !tell jjuran about anyone |
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| 09:32.32 | jjuran | I just installed it to use git-daemon, which is now running, but my other services aren't. |
| 09:32.41 | flaccid | hey it guided the whole disk, but i just want to reduce the size of /home now, is that possible int he installer? |
| 09:32.45 | jjuran | I have the runit-services package installed. |
| 09:33.18 | flaccid | the settings on the partition don't include fs size :( |
| 09:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ruin-it? |
| 09:33.50 | ymas | hello everyone, I've been trying to make all the web browsers on Lenny render fonts in the same way. Iceweasel and Chrome (for example) are rendering font drastically differently. After some searching, I found out that's because Chrome respects xsettings font preferences and iceweasel uses font.conf, is there anyway to make them the same? |
| 09:33.54 | jjuran | /etc/sv/ssh/supervise is a symlink to /var/run/sv.ssh, which doesn't exist. |
| 09:34.18 | flaccid | wow, this is a fail |
| 09:34.44 | flaccid | the installer says 'a free space to create partitions'. yet i can't change that at all! |
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| 09:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't change the amount of space on a disk by software :) |
| 09:35.44 | jjuran | Not even with DiskDoubler? :-) |
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| 09:36.14 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat yeah thats part of my point |
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| 09:36.27 | tobago | what is the file in wdm-config, which is responsible for the login screen? |
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| 09:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, gparted does that, dunno if the installer offers it |
| 09:37.31 | flaccid | ok deleted the /home and made it the size i want coz you can't edit the size. also changed all to ext4 |
| 09:37.40 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat this is a TUI installer, so no. |
| 09:38.22 | Origen | Hi Guys, I have an encrypted volume ontop of a logical volume which I've mounted in "/mnt/array". I can access the volume no problems however when I shutdown my server I umount the encrypted volume, close the encrypted volume and then reboot. Is my process correct, it seems to be corrupting my encrypted volume |
| 09:38.32 | jjuran | So, my question is, does anyone have advice on how to proceed? |
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| 09:39.35 | MarkGi | so does anyone have a link to the definitive easy SASL setup for postfix smtp? |
| 09:41.18 | wols | aptitude install postfix-doc |
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| 09:42.05 | tobago | mmh. in /etc/X11/wdm/Xsetup_0 there is only a grep command. is that correctly? |
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| 09:42.47 | MarkGi | I don't want to installs docs, they fill up my megre 512MB of flash. Can I read it online? |
| 09:43.02 | Delf | How do i setup a very simple nat/gateway/router? No dns server. |
| 09:43.46 | wols | Delf: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 09:44.17 | wols | MarkGi: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
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| 09:45.02 | wols | MarkGi: and old howtos are fine. postfix smptd auth hasn't changed in several years |
| 09:45.19 | wols | all you need is a password file and some config in main.cf |
| 09:46.09 | wols | flaccid: debian installer has a fdisk program where you can define the sizes of disks. by default it only creates a / and a swap I think |
| 09:46.33 | jjuran | CutMeOwnThroat: Evidently |
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| 09:47.36 | MarkGi | I'm more interested in the "simple" dovecot method, but it's unclear if Debian has support for it. |
| 09:47.42 | flaccid | wols no you can get it to guide all the parts separately and let you edit it and says you can adjust it, but you can't. |
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| 09:51.04 | kre10s | hi. where does the default install of mysql put its files? |
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| 09:57.03 | AimHere | If you've installed it already, then the synaptic 'properties' tab will tell you. Probably a command line option apt or dpkg will work too |
| 09:58.27 | wols | kre10s: binaries or data files? |
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| 09:59.08 | Cain | kre10s : conf in /etc/mysql, db files in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 10:00.47 | peterrooney | kre10s: dpkg -L <package-name> |
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| 10:04.06 | X-Raimo | hi all! I use Debian Lenny as Terminal Server (LTSP). And I wish to know: is XFCE available for my Debian. Also I need amarok 1,4, opera browser, thunderbird 3 and openffice 3.1. Are these packages available in Debian Lenny? |
| 10:05.23 | themill | X-Raimo: see packages.debian.org |
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| 10:06.40 | gothenburg | :D |
| 10:07.01 | tobago | mmh. the wdm logfile mentioned in /etc/X11/wdm/wdm-config is not there (/var/log/wdm.log). is that normal? |
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| 10:07.10 | gothenburg | X-Raimo: Why amarok at XFCE ????????? |
| 10:07.13 | gothenburg | And why XFCE? |
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| 10:07.18 | gothenburg | LXDE <3 |
| 10:07.30 | Argafal | gothenburg: xfce is awesome, that might be the reason :-p |
| 10:07.46 | Argafal | but now I got to search and read about LXDE =) |
| 10:08.16 | gothenburg | :) |
| 10:08.25 | gothenburg | LXDE is 50MB ;D |
| 10:09.01 | Argafal | xfce brings all that i need right now. that's hard to beat... ;) |
| 10:09.12 | X-Raimo | gothenburg: we need to provide to users suitable for work DE and fast DE at the same time. And some users need to have amarok. |
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| 10:10.16 | gothenburg | Amarok is not fast, it is an KDE-application |
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| 10:11.03 | X-Raimo | we tried to use Debian with KDE 3, but unable to find new soft |
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| 10:11.51 | wols | define "new soft" |
| 10:12.20 | X-Raimo | wols: marok 1,4, opera browser, thunderbird 3 and openffice 3.1 |
| 10:12.28 | X-Raimo | *amarok |
| 10:12.31 | gothenburg | x) |
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| 10:12.40 | gothenburg | It is Lenny |
| 10:12.40 | wols | opera isn't free software. it cann never be in debian |
| 10:12.52 | wols | X-Raimo: why didn't you check packages.debian.org as you've been told? |
| 10:12.54 | gothenburg | opera is at opera.com *.deb is there |
| 10:13.05 | tobago | X-Raimo, use lynx instead of opera. |
| 10:13.05 | gothenburg | And Lenny is testing, not unstable. |
| 10:13.12 | wols | gothenburg: lenny is neither |
| 10:13.14 | gothenburg | no Lenny is stable, not testing or unstable* |
| 10:13.30 | gothenburg | Stable is like old packages. |
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| 10:13.42 | X-Raimo | tobago: lynx isn't good solution for clients |
| 10:13.43 | wols | and I wonder what is in tbird3 that you so desperately need it |
| 10:13.56 | tobago | X-Raimo, it's suffice. |
| 10:13.58 | iceroot | wols: writing to ldap for e.g. |
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| 10:14.28 | X-Raimo | wols: Address book LDIF were created for tbird 3 |
| 10:14.36 | wols | iceroot: I wouldn't classify that as a killer feature :) |
| 10:14.44 | iceroot | wols: it is a killer feature |
| 10:14.55 | tobago | X-Raimo, o.k. if you want some graphics, choose the firefox (it's classic). |
| 10:14.57 | iceroot | wols: any other way to have a synced adrress-book with write-support? |
| 10:15.17 | wols | tobago: not in debian either |
| 10:16.02 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me trying to configure Xorg ? --> http://pastebin.com/aPUGnypE |
| 10:16.30 | tobago | wols, o.k. what is the recommended browser? epiphany? |
| 10:16.36 | X-Raimo | tobago: I wish to provide both browsers: Opera and FF |
| 10:16.53 | wols | tobago: there is no recommendation. just that firefox is not in debian |
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| 10:17.09 | iceroot | tobago: firefox is in debian, just have another name called iceweasel |
| 10:17.25 | iceroot | tobago: and thunderbird is called icedove |
| 10:17.33 | wols | iceroot: if it were firefox, mozilla.org would sue debian. so it isn't |
| 10:17.45 | iceroot | wols: its firefox build from source |
| 10:18.04 | wols | and reactos is a windows build frm source |
| 10:18.05 | X-Raimo | tobago: I know. Problem is: icedove has version 2 |
| 10:18.06 | iceroot | wols: nothing patched instead of the trademarks |
| 10:18.19 | tobago | wols, X-Raimo was asking for an alternative to opera. |
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| 10:18.35 | iceroot | wols: tell me the difference between iceweasel and firefox instead of the trademarks such as logo and name |
| 10:18.46 | iceroot | wols: you wont find difference in the functions |
| 10:18.47 | X-Raimo | tobago: is wasn't |
| 10:19.00 | zir0faive | iceroot: a few patches |
| 10:19.10 | iceroot | zir0faive: function-patches? |
| 10:19.11 | X-Raimo | tobago: I was looking for new versions of software |
| 10:19.25 | rgr | iceweasel is firefox rebranded. |
| 10:19.33 | iceroot | rgr: correct |
| 10:19.48 | zir0faive | yep, rebranded so debian can patch it the way it wants |
| 10:20.02 | tobago | iceroot, there was some trouble with the license, wasn't it? |
| 10:20.05 | rgr | wrong. rebranded to remove the non free logos and graphics mostly. |
| 10:20.10 | iceroot | tobago: correct |
| 10:20.24 | iceroot | iceweasel has the same functions as firefox |
| 10:20.32 | SoulSeller | What about Chrome? |
| 10:20.42 | rgr | chrome is surperb. fast as hell. |
| 10:20.44 | tobago | i mean the reason why they gave birth to iceweasel |
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| 10:21.04 | tobago | rgr, do you use it on debian? |
| 10:21.07 | rgr | yes |
| 10:21.16 | tobago | rgr, allright. no issues? |
| 10:21.18 | wols | SoulSeller: can't be in debian either |
| 10:21.19 | rgr | or did. I used forefix, chrome but now conkeror. |
| 10:21.20 | rgr | none. |
| 10:21.25 | rgr | firefox |
| 10:21.36 | tobago | rgr, konqueror? |
| 10:21.39 | rgr | conkeror |
| 10:21.49 | rgr | and chrome is fine in debian. |
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| 10:22.24 | SoulSeller | I have both, chrome and firefox but I prefer chrome, it's faster for me... |
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| 10:22.35 | tobago | rgr, allright |
| 10:22.57 | rgr | a lot faster. |
| 10:23.15 | rgr | not as many extensions still of course. But I use conkeror because of the emacs like key bindings. |
| 10:23.21 | rgr | http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ |
| 10:23.30 | rgr | ^^ apt source |
| 10:24.01 | k23z__ | hey |
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| 10:24.56 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me trying to configure Xorg ? --> http://pastebin.com/aPUGnypE |
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| 10:29.43 | rgr | BerMeJo: I pity you but cant help. I have similar. My setup is hosed. No accelertion, m-a nvidia now not working, dual screens gone: I could go on. Yes, its testing, but nonetheless its pretty grim. |
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| 10:29.57 | rgr | and been like it for a couple of weeks now. |
| 10:30.34 | X-Raimo | does debian has nvdia driver for kernel-xen |
| 10:31.08 | BerMeJo | all people are similar? |
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| 10:32.30 | BerMeJo | rgr: all people are in similar situation ? |
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| 10:33.26 | dutchfish | BerMeJo: no, but you might get more respons if you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and xorg log |
| 10:34.03 | BerMeJo | dutchfish: ok, i'm in different system, i will try |
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| 10:36.09 | Origen | I'm beating my head against the wall. Can anyone explain the correct process to umount an encrypted (cryptsetup) volume. I keep corrupting my encypted volume whenever I reboot |
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| 10:36.31 | unixSnob | anyone know about the "daemon" command? judging from how an /etc/init.d script uses it, it appears to be a way of searching for an executable to a server - is that correct? |
| 10:37.21 | rumpsy | How to convert video files to 3gp format, i need a app or tool |
| 10:37.21 | unixSnob | I tried to find out what package the daemon command comes from by doing: apt-file search daemon but there are no results |
| 10:37.47 | dutchfish | unixSnob: normally by invoking /etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart etc |
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| 10:38.39 | dutchfish | unixSnob: or tell me what daemon |
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| 10:39.06 | unixSnob | dutchfish: there is a command by the name of "daemon" |
| 10:39.18 | themill | , info daemon |
| 10:39.20 | judd | daemon (utils, optional): turns other processes into daemons. Version: 0.6.3-1; Size: 97.4k; Installed: 300k |
| 10:39.26 | unixSnob | dutchfish: I'm trying to find out what package provides the daemon command |
| 10:39.44 | themill | unixSnob: apt-file, dlocate or dpkg -S. |
| 10:39.59 | unixSnob | themill: apt-file returns nothing |
| 10:40.08 | unixSnob | apt-file search daemon is what I used |
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| 10:40.13 | themill | unixSnob: then you're doing it wrong.... did you apt-file update? |
| 10:40.25 | unixSnob | themill: i'll try to update first |
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| 10:41.35 | themill | unixSnob: you'll want "apt-file search bin/daemon" unless you want 2300 matches for just "daemon". |
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| 10:42.08 | unixSnob | themill: okay, thanks.. I tried apt-cache search daemon earlier, and got flooded with matches |
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| 10:44.33 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me trying to configure Xorg ? --> http://pastebin.com/MKnLfe1r |
| 10:44.44 | BerMeJo | (Updated) |
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| 10:46.28 | rgr | anyone here experienced virtualbox breakage on squeeze lately and if so did you get a fix? Its saying the vboxdrv module is not installed. I tried with m-a but it still complains. |
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| 10:47.20 | nm9 | HI, is there kvm for etch |
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| 10:48.01 | dutchfish | nm9: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kvm |
| 10:48.49 | dutchfish | nm9: so yes, if you use bpo |
| 10:49.24 | nm9 | dutchfish, tnx |
| 10:49.37 | themill | nm9: time to be upgrading your machine to lenny though.... /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 10:50.49 | nm9 | themill, certainly |
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| 10:54.38 | wols | rgr: virtualbox from debian or from sun? |
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| 10:57.26 | dutchfish | to answer your q, i write C, lisaac and all the major scipt languages |
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| 10:57.42 | dutchfish | oops |
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| 10:58.40 | wols | I write germand and pretend to do english as well |
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| 11:02.51 | BerMeJo | aren't athere acx100-source in squeeze ? |
| 11:03.30 | themill | !why is acx100-source not in testing |
| 11:03.31 | dpkg | acx100-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=acx100-source |
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| 11:04.56 | themill | !dbugs 563474 |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | #563474:G[acx100-source] acx100-source: module FTBFS with 2.6.31 kernel (squeeze sid); Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:45:03 UTC [] |
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| 11:05.43 | BerMeJo | so, i can't use this card on debian? |
| 11:07.11 | wols | BerMeJo: I have such a card. the linux support in general is non existent. almost impossible to use |
| 11:07.36 | wols | e.g. lat tiem I tried and managed to do it, it worked, but no encryption support at all |
| 11:07.59 | BerMeJo | have i to buy other card ? |
| 11:09.06 | wols | I personally would. a nice atheros 5 based one for example. Is it PCI, UB or PCMCIA? |
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| 11:09.38 | BerMeJo | pcmci |
| 11:09.40 | BerMeJo | sorry |
| 11:09.41 | BerMeJo | pci |
| 11:11.31 | BerMeJo | wols: do you recommend any in special? |
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| 11:13.45 | wols | athers based ones. no firmware, nothing. it just works out of the box |
| 11:13.59 | wols | I got a tn-551G for 20EUR |
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| 11:21.31 | jimcooncat | I know this is weird, but how do I create Windows icon files with tools available in Debian? Is there a method to use Gimp? Or preferably, start with a vector program (inkscape, xara extreme)? |
| 11:22.36 | wols | at least up to XP, they're bitmaps |
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| 11:22.58 | wols | maybe paint.net in WINE? |
| 11:23.37 | themill | ,info icoutils |
| 11:23.39 | judd | icoutils (graphics, optional): Create and extract MS Windows icons and cursors. Version: 0.26.0-2; Size: 64.5k; Installed: 172k |
| 11:23.57 | jimcooncat | nice, thanks themill, wols |
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| 11:24.38 | themill | jimcooncat: I tend to start in inkscape, export a few different resolution PNGs and do some retouching on them by hand, then use icoutils to make the multi-resolution .ico file |
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| 11:25.56 | jimcooncat | hopefully the icoutils docs will lead me to what resolutions I need. |
| 11:26.18 | wols | 16,32 and 64 IIRC |
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| 11:28.02 | jimcooncat | I'm so happy now, I think I have everything to start programming my little stupid crossplatform apps! |
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| 11:28.33 | rm | hello |
| 11:28.53 | rm | does anyone know what's the deal with ia32-apt-get? has it been abandoned as an idea? |
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| 11:45.06 | superlinux | hi. what is the purpose of the debian-update-5.0.4-i386-DVD-1.iso ? and how it should be used? can I use it to install the system as in using the usual DVD number one? |
| 11:46.30 | rm | okay, so I found the answer: http://news.debian.net/2009/08/06/ia32-libs-and-ia32-libs-gtk-are-back/ |
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| 11:46.41 | rm | (if anyone's interested) |
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| 11:47.13 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 11:47.31 | themill | superlinux: it's an update CD, not an installer. It's used for updating an existing installation |
| 11:47.47 | Pavlz | excuse me for the disturbe, i invite to watch http://www.rsf.org/ |
| 11:48.15 | superlinux | themill, ok. that was clear enough to me. thanks |
| 11:48.31 | superlinux | i mean it is |
| 11:48.35 | themill | Pavlz: please don't spam |
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| 11:54.10 | linduxed | is there a way to restrict what applications a user can use? |
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| 11:54.19 | Argafal | linduxed: don't install them? |
| 11:54.30 | Argafal | or don't put them in the path? |
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| 11:54.37 | linduxed | Argafal: no, that's not an option. |
| 11:54.42 | linduxed | Argafal: for instance |
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| 11:55.02 | linduxed | Argafal: ive got some ppl on the server that are to be allowed to use rtorrent, others can't |
| 11:55.08 | linduxed | that kind of scenario |
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| 11:55.22 | Argafal | so, give the exeuctable a proper group and add the people to the group who are allowd. |
| 11:56.00 | efka | and mount home and other R/W filesystems with noexec. so they don't copy and run |
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| 11:57.38 | linduxed | efka: unfortunately home and / are on the same partition |
| 11:58.00 | Argafal | linduxed: well, do you want to allow yourr users their own executables or not? |
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| 12:01.02 | Argafal | btw i would hate to use a server where home is mounted noexec. cause i do have my own projects compiled there and i do have a few shellscripts i need. i guess this problem isn't a technical but more a social one. don't use filesharing unless you have the explicit permission expressed by your user being member of group rtorrent..... |
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| 12:02.36 | nm9 | HI, I have installed some programs from the source... now how can I remove them that are not support "make uninstall" |
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| 12:03.37 | efka | nm9: i suppose you installed to /usr/local not to /. so make install again and get a list of files installed this way ;) and remove them |
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| 12:04.26 | Argafal | fails if the program used fancy stuff like gconf, but besides that yes, that's the way to go. |
| 12:04.27 | BlessJah | i have gcc 4.4 but my kernel is compiled with 4.3 |
| 12:04.46 | BlessJah | can it casuse fail when building nvidia driver usin gmodule assistant??? |
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| 12:05.13 | efka | BlessJah: definitely will fail |
| 12:05.40 | BlessJah | hm... is there any way to have both versions of gcc? |
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| 12:06.22 | nm9 | efka, on tnx |
| 12:06.27 | nm9 | ok* |
| 12:06.30 | azeem_ | BlessJah: sure, just install it |
| 12:06.37 | BlessJah | how? |
| 12:06.39 | azeem_ | and set CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 or something |
| 12:06.43 | azeem_ | BlessJah: apt-get install gcc-4.3? |
| 12:06.47 | efka | yes, you can install gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.3 packages. then pass CC=gcc-4.3 vars to make |
| 12:06.53 | BlessJah | oh thanks |
| 12:07.11 | BlessJah | they've got versions in name, usually packages doesn;t |
| 12:07.51 | BlessJah | erm, it seems that is already installed |
| 12:07.56 | linduxed | Argafal: yeah well the rtorrent thing was just hypothetical in this case, ppl can torrent if they like but i thought it would be good if i could control such things |
| 12:08.04 | JohnDoh | does any one know how to get google closure compiler running on lenny? i keep getting a java.lang.NoSuchMethodError error |
| 12:08.47 | linduxed | Argafal: and like you said (now that i thought it through) noexec on home wouldn't work, ppl have execs at times |
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| 12:09.12 | BlessJah | efka: what packages do i need? gcc-4.3-base and gcc-4.3? or sth more like multilib? |
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| 12:09.22 | Vmanz | has anyone got a good tut on setting up SSH keys ? |
| 12:09.44 | jelly-home | tut? |
| 12:09.50 | BlessJah | tutorial |
| 12:09.56 | jelly-home | then say so! |
| 12:10.12 | BerMeJo | anybody canel help me trying to install nvidia propetary driver on testing ? --> http://pastebin.com/0wg4AwPj |
| 12:10.13 | Argafal | linduxed: but if they can have execs than the group for reading/executing the "binary to be restricted" should be sufficient. |
| 12:10.15 | efka | linduxed: so if i'd download rtorrent bin to home if i was your user, rename it to "mutt" and run it |
| 12:10.38 | BlessJah | BerMeJo: i'm trying to to this also |
| 12:10.46 | Argafal | efka: then you do it without knowledge of root and are fully responsible for any issues resulting from that action. |
| 12:10.56 | Argafal | efka: but if he gives you the software he is liable. |
| 12:11.09 | BerMeJo | BlessJah: :( |
| 12:11.09 | efka | BlessJah: just do apt-get install gcc-4.3 |
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| 12:11.34 | BlessJah | efka: it is already installed |
| 12:11.36 | efka | Argafal: sure but i'm not going so deep into legal issues here |
| 12:11.54 | Argafal | =) |
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| 12:12.38 | linduxed | efka: hmm, true |
| 12:12.43 | BerMeJo | BlessJah: i have it installed too |
| 12:12.53 | BerMeJo | and same problem as you |
| 12:13.11 | linduxed | efka: fortunately enough i know all of the users |
| 12:13.20 | Argafal | linduxed: yeah, but as said, that is a social proble. in the second you allow execs you can't control WHAT is exeucted, but you can tell your users what the policy is and kick them out if they don't apply to it. |
| 12:13.53 | linduxed | Argafal: yeah that's true |
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| 12:14.52 | linduxed | Argafal: it's kinda tricky, but i think i'll go with allowing execs until i actually have a reason to disallow them |
| 12:15.56 | wols | as for "blocking" certain programs, you can create a group for thze users who are allowed to rtorrent and then set the sgid bit for the executable |
| 12:15.59 | Argafal | linduxed: i'd just make it clear to my users what you don't want (e.g. illegal things or like in my university only your self written software). i guess that should also keep you from legal issues, since the policy exists. |
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| 12:16.16 | wols | so unless users explicitly circumvent you by installing their own torrent client, they can't use it |
| 12:16.29 | Argafal | wols: why sgid? wouldn't the group be fully sufficient? |
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| 12:17.25 | wols | Argafal: what does sgid mean again? |
| 12:17.40 | BlessJah | http://pastebin.org/102203 |
| 12:17.51 | BlessJah | this is buildlog |
| 12:18.20 | BlessJah | could someone tell me what is wrong? |
| 12:18.21 | Argafal | wols: execute as group. |
| 12:19.34 | wols | you're right. mea culpa. should have used 2 more braincells I don't have |
| 12:19.43 | Argafal | well, that's simplified the manpage knows more. since i'm sure you know more and it was a rethorical question, please tell me, what am i doing wrong here? |
| 12:19.46 | Argafal | ah, lol. |
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| 12:20.31 | efka | BlessJah: hm can't see an error here. Do dmesg last few lines shows anything about trying to load nvidia.ko ? |
| 12:21.57 | comps | hi, is there any list on what needs to be done after (c)debootstraping to have a full bootable system? (ie. the stuff debian-installer does) - like fstab, bootloader, networks, .. anything else? |
| 12:22.15 | BlessJah | efka: it fails to built nvidia.ko |
| 12:22.26 | BlessJah | efka: errors are at the end |
| 12:22.26 | wols | comps: those are the basics |
| 12:22.36 | comps | .. and root password probably |
| 12:22.56 | wols | BlessJah: that is not really an error. not the cause of the problem. as efka said: no real error message |
| 12:23.05 | wols | comps: well it boots perfectly without root account :P |
| 12:23.12 | BlessJah | so no error is my error? |
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| 12:23.19 | BlessJah | i dont understand u guys |
| 12:24.07 | comps | wols: well ... :) thanks |
| 12:24.27 | comps | I hope there isn't anything else hidden |
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| 12:25.41 | BlessJah | wols, efka: what causes fails when installing nvidia drivers? |
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| 12:25.45 | wols | comps: as long a sit boots, gets a network and starts ssh, you're golden |
| 12:26.00 | wols | BlessJah: you didn't install them. you try to compile them. different thing |
| 12:26.53 | comps | wols: true, but I don't want to run into those things 6 months after installation |
| 12:26.55 | BlessJah | wols: i'm following 'Install' section from manual, 'With modules-assistant' susection |
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| 12:28.29 | efka | BlessJah: before i switched to nouveau I used this forum for troubleshooting nvidia driver http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 |
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| 12:40.18 | BlessJah | efka: is nouveau better than nvidia? |
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| 12:44.33 | chipdalf | i am trying to reinstall a debian, that i kill this morning. normaly i am installing the groundinstallation of a netinstall-image, then i update the paketlist by dooing a dpkg --set-selections </path/to/list but when i test it with dpkg --get-selections i cannot see any changes... does somone have an idee why it does not work? |
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| 12:46.53 | nachos | apt keeps on complaing about untrusted sources |
| 12:47.04 | nachos | but my sources.list is all full of offical mirrors and backports |
| 12:48.10 | BlessJah | efka: is nouveau better than nvidia? |
| 12:48.36 | BlessJah | nachos: do u have gpg keys for all entries in source.list? |
| 12:48.44 | nachos | nup |
| 12:49.08 | nachos | i didnt even know you needed that |
| 12:50.00 | chipdalf | okay... if someone will have my problem one day, it will be resolved by dooing a apt-get dselect-upgrade... |
| 12:50.35 | chipdalf | thanks and have a nice day... |
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| 12:50.50 | chipdalf | bye...$ |
| 12:51.04 | nachos | BlessJah: does apt-get update refresh those |
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| 12:52.10 | BlessJah | nachos: i dont know |
| 12:52.29 | nachos | thanks nayway |
| 12:52.31 | nachos | nite |
| 12:53.33 | format_c | nachos, IMHO no. But if you have debian-archive-keyring installed and a new version is available aptitude will suggest to upgrade the package |
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| 13:05.54 | BlessJah | is there repo for nvidia drivers? |
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| 13:07.10 | xyan | BlessJah: nvida-glx in non-free |
| 13:07.37 | BlessJah | i know |
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| 13:07.47 | BlessJah | i'm trying to install it, but i cant |
| 13:08.18 | xyan | whats wrong? |
| 13:08.31 | leg- | I fail to add my own language to gdm / gnome...tried editting /etc/environment and /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this has no effect |
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| 13:08.36 | leg- | my language is not available at the 'other languages' screen |
| 13:08.53 | BlessJah | xyan: i cant compile, i cant install, i cant build module |
| 13:09.10 | BlessJah | http://pastebin.org/102203 |
| 13:09.15 | xyan | BlessJah: sounds like missing kernel headers, anyway read here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:09.23 | wols | leg-: do you know if gdm is capable of displaying your language? ie, are there i10n files for it? |
| 13:09.52 | BlessJah | xyan: i'm using it (module-assistant) |
| 13:10.01 | leg- | wols: yes but how do I install those? |
| 13:10.14 | leg- | I have gnome-core instead of the regular version |
| 13:10.39 | xyan | !tell leg about locales |
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| 13:11.04 | xyan | !tell leg- about locales |
| 13:11.06 | xyan | sorry :) |
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| 13:11.25 | leg- | thank you xyan going to read this |
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| 13:11.51 | xyan | BlessJah: i cant figure out .cz/.pl error messages |
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| 13:12.05 | xyan | BlessJah: export LC_ALL=C |
| 13:12.10 | xyan | BlessJah: and run m-a again |
| 13:12.11 | BlessJah | i linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd6 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:12.11 | BlessJah | i A linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-comm - Common header files for Linux 2.6.32-trunk |
| 13:12.25 | BlessJah | xyan: theese headers? |
| 13:12.34 | xyan | BlessJah: right, but please ^^ do what i said |
| 13:12.52 | wols | yes, these headers which aren't installed ("i " is not "ii") |
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| 13:13.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | how can I get all sound channels of my sound card to work on debian lenny? Only the front and master outputchannel seem to work, I've tried the Side and center slider in the alsamixer |
| 13:13.50 | BlessJah | wols: i typed aptitude install linux-headers...-...-... and it told me, that no packages to install |
| 13:13.58 | BlessJah | Ć¢ĀĀ Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do Ć¢ĀĀ |
| 13:13.59 | BlessJah | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.45 | xyan | BlessJah: pastebin the logfile again |
| 13:15.23 | wols | BlessJah: it needs to look similar to this: ii linux-headers- 2.6.20.6-10.00 Header files related to Linux kernel, specif |
| 13:15.47 | Bastihase | hi debian friends |
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| 13:15.53 | BlessJah | http://pastebin.org/102215 |
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| 13:16.50 | xyan | BlessJah: and uname -r tells what? |
| 13:17.02 | BlessJah | nvidia drivers doent works, oss doesnt works, alsa doesnt recognizes my internal mic... |
| 13:17.11 | BlessJah | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:17.31 | BlessJah | everythink works like now always or i'm unlucky today? |
| 13:18.37 | xyan | BlessJah: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568003 |
| 13:19.51 | mac- | anyone got this problem with rendering? |
| 13:19.57 | mac- | http://sunrise.pi.net.pl/~mac/mac200.jpg |
| 13:20.14 | mac- | it looks like on webpages which have repeating background-image it shows copy of screen instead of image |
| 13:20.22 | BlessJah | xyan: a lot of code, is there solution or u only want to tell me, that devs knows about this bug? |
| 13:21.02 | wols | BlessJah: you run testing. what exactly do you expect? |
| 13:21.11 | nvz | mac-: can't say that I've ever seen that before |
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| 13:21.55 | nvz | BlessJah: did you upgrade today, last night.. whatever? That caused this? |
| 13:21.59 | BlessJah | wols: everybody kept telling my that testing is superstable, and i shouldnt worry about 'testing' in name |
| 13:22.02 | format_c | mac-, no looks fine for me. |
| 13:22.09 | mac- | fine ? :P |
| 13:22.17 | wols | BlessJah: do you understand what "stable" means? |
| 13:22.21 | BlessJah | nvz: hm... i've installed debian two days ago, maybe this caused this error? |
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| 13:22.26 | wols | no, it does NOT mean "bug free" |
| 13:22.46 | BlessJah | yes, before installing i had no errors like that! i know what caused my problems! |
| 13:22.47 | nvz | BlessJah: the way you said it earlier made me think that you had it working at one point |
| 13:22.49 | BlessJah | xD |
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| 13:23.20 | xyan | BlessJah: see comment #30 in the bug report |
| 13:24.37 | nvz | xyan: that comment indicates that the user cause the problem that was fixed |
| 13:24.54 | nvz | therefore there was no bug to begin with |
| 13:25.04 | BlessJah | Wyzard: i'll try |
| 13:25.22 | nvz | much like the bug I reported recently and tracked down to bad drive cables and closed |
| 13:26.10 | BlessJah | yes, but its pure installation so i couldnt case this |
| 13:26.23 | nvz | BlessJah: I think you simply need to install stable today, if you just installed a couple days ago and haven't managed to get it working |
| 13:26.52 | nvz | BlessJah: because even if we help you solve all your issues, this could happen again and you have no real reason for running testing I would imagine |
| 13:26.58 | BlessJah | nvz: but stable has too old packages for me |
| 13:27.05 | nvz | BlessJah: such as? |
| 13:27.12 | BlessJah | i don't know |
| 13:27.18 | nvz | exactly |
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| 13:27.44 | BlessJah | it's not a server, i like nearly newest packages |
| 13:28.22 | Devastator | BlessJah I suggest stable+backports if you don't wanna mess with bugs |
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| 13:29.08 | nvz | BlessJah: thats just a bad perspective you have on things. If you had an actual reason, or the ability to help test and report bugs on those newer package, and could deal with the inconvenience and breakage then it would be fine |
| 13:29.23 | nvz | BlessJah: otherwise like Devastator said, there are methods of backporting packages needed |
| 13:29.55 | nvz | because if you can't for the most part be productive on your system and also proactive in ironing out the testing release, you are just wasting your time and ours |
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| 13:30.48 | Devastator | BlessJah the person that said "testing" was just a name doesn't know debian enough, the name says it all |
| 13:31.09 | BlessJah | Devastator: maybe ur right |
| 13:31.30 | Devastator | BlessJah also, backported packages garantee stability with a known working version |
| 13:32.36 | Devastator | BlessJah and yes, you can try to backport things that aren't on backports repo, but if you get an error, then the package is probably not stable enough to run on stable version of debian |
| 13:32.45 | nvz | I have been around long enough that I almost feel obligated to be running testing/unstable on one of my machines and filing bug reports. But I usually need to get things done on my systems and it would just be counterproductive for me to be banging my head off the wall everytime something breaks or be in here wasting peoples time whining about it |
| 13:33.36 | MandCaster | kraft ketchup environment |
| 13:33.39 | nvz | I had testing on this box, but it was causing me problems on my one machine with decent graphics that I need working to do certain things |
| 13:33.40 | twisted` | nvz: isn't that the point of linux? |
| 13:34.10 | nvz | twisted`: there is no point to linux. its like life, it is what you make of it |
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| 13:34.31 | abrotman | wonders how much nvz wanders around his house talking to himself ... |
| 13:34.48 | nvz | abrotman: not nearly as much as I do outside.. |
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| 13:35.15 | Devastator | nvz I don't have knowledge to know if it's a bug or not, what I do in my case is to search if something weird happens, but like BlessJah, I like to run updated versions of the packages with low instability and I think is that what testing provides.. I'm not up to run sid nor experimental anyway.. |
| 13:36.32 | BlessJah | if archlinux worked with no problems... and deian testing cant... |
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| 13:37.58 | nvz | Devastator: I say if you aren't familiar with AT LEAST the packaging tools well enough to resolve breakage in packages, and the process of useful bug reporting, you are best off using either backports.org, making simple sid backports, or using another distro that is more up to date. I say this because I am a user and supporter of debian and people who run testing just for shiny new software or even worse, higher version numbers are only wastin |
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| 13:38.49 | BlessJah | can i downgrade without reinstalling whole system? |
| 13:38.58 | nvz | BlessJah: no, you will need to reinstall |
| 13:38.59 | wols | !downgrade |
| 13:38.59 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 13:39.12 | BlessJah | i'm using aptitude |
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| 13:39.42 | Devastator | nvz your message was partially cut |
| 13:39.45 | nvz | it doesn't matter, rolling back an entire install is not a feature we have |
| 13:39.50 | nvz | Devastator: yeah I figured |
| 13:40.05 | BlessJah | ok thx |
| 13:40.07 | converge | where can i see a list of mirror to add on source.list ? |
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| 13:40.21 | BlessJah | i will format once again and try stable and/or other distros |
| 13:40.26 | wols | Devastator: sid is not better or worse than testing imho. it's just more of it |
| 13:40.26 | nvz | converge: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 13:40.42 | BlessJah | maybe mint? xD |
| 13:41.00 | nvz | BlessJah: can I make another suggestion if you are this curious? |
| 13:41.16 | BlessJah | nvz: windows? noo... |
| 13:41.38 | nvz | BlessJah: install debian stable (or another stable distro that will work well on your hardware) then install the latest version of virtual box and play with as many things as you like. |
| 13:41.49 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:42.00 | nvz | that way its not a major inconvenience for you to try out new things |
| 13:42.07 | Devastator | nvz the current bugs I've found on testing is minor.. so I don't bother fixing it.. I don't trust my knowledge to fill bug reports as I don't want to "flood" bug reports system with invalid bugs, but you are right.. I should contribute more if I'm using testing |
| 13:42.18 | BlessJah | nvz: i played with vbox on ubuntu, now i need more 'proffesional' distro |
| 13:42.39 | BlessJah | .18 |
| 13:42.47 | nvz | BlessJah: I will also note that it is possible to install stable and run another arch or branch inside a chroot and run more current or other arch apps seemlessly with schroot |
| 13:43.16 | BlessJah | i'm not the hardcore |
| 13:43.20 | nvz | BlessJah: bottom line is, you need to get your facts and priorities straight and learn how this stuff works before you get all curious on what MORE you can do |
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| 13:44.56 | nvz | BlessJah: you can look over http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and http://www.debian.org/social_contract and see if the priorities of debian even are compatible with your own. |
| 13:45.28 | nvz | I have used debian for so many years exclusively on my systems because I agree with those documents 100%, those things are whats most important to me |
| 13:46.51 | BlessJah | The best packaging system in the world. <- imho pacman (from archlinux) is much better than anything i've ever tried |
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| 13:51.03 | linduxed | how do i check whether the optical drive ive got is a burner or a reader |
| 13:51.25 | nvz | linduxed: one way it to open a burning program and see if it shows up. heh |
| 13:51.41 | nvz | linduxed: if you pastebin your /var/log/dmesg I could tell you |
| 13:52.23 | nvz | linduxed: also most of them have logos on the front for technologies they support.. cdrom, dvd rom, dvd+rw.. etc would be on the faceplate |
| 13:52.42 | nvz | though in some desktops they have case plates covering the actual drive's faceplate |
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| 13:53.58 | nvz | even laptop drives though have the "compact disc" logo or such on the front of their tray |
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| 14:00.59 | benjaminR | Hi, just looking for some advice. I'm creating a new group called 'sudoers' to which I will place users in this group who can access 'sudo' |
| 14:01.04 | benjaminR | should 'sudoers' be a system group? |
| 14:01.08 | benjaminR | or just a regular group |
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| 14:04.44 | nvz | benjaminR: you realize thats what the /etc/sudoers file does right? |
| 14:05.16 | nvz | far more specifically in face |
| 14:05.20 | nvz | fact even |
| 14:05.56 | nvz | I can tell sue she can only use sudoers to run program foobar with a certain credential during a certain time of day with that file |
| 14:06.39 | francesco334 | Can someone telll me about next debian stable? |
| 14:07.01 | benjaminR | nvz: i know. that is what im using |
| 14:07.10 | benjaminR | in that conf it has a bit for 'sudo ' group |
| 14:07.17 | benjaminR | that group is already created? |
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| 14:08.45 | abrotman | francesco334: what about it ? |
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| 14:09.41 | jaggz | I'm not sure if this is a win/cygwin issue or not.. I ssh'ed with putty from win7 to my debian system, with x11 forwarding on (confirmed DISPLAY=localhost:11.0), I have cygwin running with "startx" and did "xhost +local://", but the debian system's X programs (kdiff3 for example) say "Xlib: connection to "localhost:11.0" refused by server \n Xlib: No protocol specified" |
| 14:10.04 | francesco334 | date... |
| 14:10.09 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 14:10.25 | francesco334 | you are using gnome and lenny? |
| 14:10.41 | abrotman | how does that relate to squeeze's release ? |
| 14:11.04 | francesco334 | it's another question |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | i'm sure someone is .. why ? |
| 14:11.36 | francesco334 | i heve one problem with gnome and keyboard |
| 14:12.02 | francesco334 | keybord setting give me many errors |
| 14:12.22 | rgr | francesco334: sometimes its possible to guess roughly the time scale of the release based on the bug count. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html for more details. |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:12.27 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:12.45 | Akuw | hi |
| 14:12.58 | Bastihase | !de |
| 14:12.58 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:13.00 | Akuw | somebody here know to use truecrypt ? |
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| 14:14.12 | riot | why does my machine fire up with a 25% load of ksoftirqd on all four cores every few seconds? |
| 14:14.40 | riot | i'm running 2.6.32, tried 2.6.33 - didn't change. Even no need for X to run. |
| 14:14.41 | jaggz | ooh, finally found a page... should I say the answer here? |
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| 14:14.54 | jaggz | "don't ask to answer, just answer" ? |
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| 14:15.16 | Keegz | New maemo video http://420stars.info/watch?v=AksDp2 |
| 14:15.19 | nvz | ugh.. some idiot just reset the networking equipment around here |
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| 14:16.10 | funky | hello |
| 14:16.20 | nvz | apparently they reset both the AP and the switch because both my machines lost connection and one is wired, the other is wireless, and the wired one said network cable unplugged |
| 14:16.30 | funky | what's the difference between aptitude <package>&M and <package>+M ? |
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| 14:17.06 | jaggz | you used & on the commandline?? |
| 14:17.26 | funky | no |
| 14:17.33 | jaggz | oh, status.. |
| 14:17.37 | jaggz | dunno.. man aptitude |
| 14:17.49 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.49 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.56 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.56 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.04 | funky | seems the same, that's why I'm asking |
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| 14:18.05 | nvz | funky: don't paste in here. |
| 14:18.07 | jaggz | nvz, why not just the switch then? |
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| 14:18.47 | nvz | jaggz: the wireless one went offline too. and when I opened wicd the AP was not there |
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| 14:19.07 | nvz | why the fuck people reset shit is beyond me.. |
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| 14:19.25 | jaggz | probably some at&t person told them they had to. |
| 14:19.35 | jaggz | you'll have to reboot your computer too nvz |
| 14:19.50 | jaggz | and your tv |
| 14:19.53 | nvz | blah blah blah.. I just lie to tech support people over the phone |
| 14:20.03 | nvz | Open control panel... ok.. |
| 14:20.07 | jaggz | haha |
| 14:20.21 | jaggz | "look at computer", "ok" |
| 14:20.47 | jaggz | "Oh, well we have a main switch down in your neighborhood." |
| 14:21.00 | jaggz | that's what they did to me last time |
| 14:21.02 | nvz | telling them they're idiots reading off a checklist never helps |
| 14:21.21 | nvz | so I found taking a nice shit, or having a smoke or something and telling them you're following along workse best |
| 14:21.39 | nvz | I've already done everything on their checklist by the time I call them |
| 14:22.04 | nvz | usually with comcast I just cut them off as soon as they answer the phone and tell them what I want them to do |
| 14:22.20 | nvz | you're going to run a signal test on this modem now.. |
| 14:22.30 | arvind_khadri | !op co_biasa_ is giving on join spam |
| 14:22.30 | dpkg | okay, arvind_khadri |
| 14:22.45 | jaggz | heh.. |
| 14:22.54 | nvz | dpkg, forget op co_biasa |
| 14:22.54 | dpkg | nvz: i didn't have anything called 'op co_biasa' to forget |
| 14:23.02 | nvz | dpkg, forget op co_biasa_ |
| 14:23.02 | dpkg | i forgot op co_biasa_, nvz |
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| 14:23.32 | abrotman | cs op #debian abrotman |
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| 14:23.42 | jaggz | can't get meld to run (some python gobject library error or something), so I'm fiddling with kdiff3 |
| 14:23.54 | rgr | but reading off a checklist does help in most cases. its why they have them. most issues are bog standard and repeated by many people. Of course when smartarses are on the line then its more difficult to deal with because invariably they forget to check the basics as the basics are beneath them. |
| 14:24.41 | jaggz | the problem is when you're expressing intelligence and understanding and they don't get it. |
| 14:25.12 | jaggz | and I mean to an absurd degree with some obvious things.. not one where it's still good for them to check -- because all of us have sometimes left something unplugged. :) |
| 14:25.14 | rgr | its a hard middle line tp find at times. |
| 14:25.25 | nvz | rgr: its true but when you run linux they don't know how to support it anyhow. I can handle resetting my modem, checking my cables, configs..etc. I call them to find out about outages, signal levels..etc |
| 14:25.37 | rgr | sure |
| 14:26.15 | rgr | but I know from studying support channel trabscripts how often the experts calling in are simply wrong because they forgot to do the basics. Its why the run through the annoying check lists. |
| 14:26.50 | jaggz | yup yup |
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| 14:27.26 | jaggz | but we had a DSL modem problem and none of 3 computers were able to access the internet, and the guy wanted me to reboot my computer. |
| 14:27.36 | nvz | I don't doubt that.. I argued for like an hour with a self-proclaimed expert at radioshack about transferring files between vista and xp with a crossover cable once.. he insisted I had to get the usb transfer cable and that his 7 certs were proof.. I said I got the certs too, and you're wrong. |
| 14:27.37 | rgr | but god kneos they can be frustrating. took almost a month to get vodafone.de to change my WAP acces point to a non "per byte" set up - they were convinced their free one allowed IMAP - it didn't. |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 14:27.48 | jaggz | ahem |
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| 14:28.18 | rgr | It is rather busy here after all .. ;) |
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| 14:28.42 | jaggz | ... and I said, from my debian system I can ping my router |
| 14:29.14 | unixSnob | How do you do an "aptitude changelog" on a debian release other than what's running? |
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| 14:29.33 | Rapsodius | I want to make my own kernel so I got the sources from kernel.org instead of apt-getting them... should I patch them or something? |
| 14:29.33 | jaggz | kdiff3 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 14:29.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm trying to get some additinal mouse buttons to work, but they seem to create same keycodes as those that were already mapped by default |
| 14:29.54 | unixSnob | i want to see the absolute latest changelog, even if my release doesn't have the latest version |
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| 14:30.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | here's my mouse config in xorg.conf http://pastie.org/857133 |
| 14:30.05 | Rapsodius | there's a 'Patch' on the kernel.org page |
| 14:30.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've a logitech mx518 wich has additnal forward/backward buttons for browsing the web |
| 14:30.39 | jaggz | what's that program which shows the actual codes sent? |
| 14:30.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | xev |
| 14:30.54 | Rapsodius | and also a linux-patch-debian-2.6.33 package under experimental repos (not that I have them, I just browsed manually the mirror) |
| 14:30.59 | jaggz | are they the same there too?? |
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| 14:31.45 | abrotman | unixSnob: you go to the website and look ? |
| 14:31.54 | wols | Rapsodius: you don't need to patch them. just use kernel-package as you normally do |
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| 14:32.46 | Rapsodius | fine |
| 14:33.47 | NoReflex | hello! I've been using ubuntu for about 18 months now and I want to try Debian. I have lots of some programs which I would like to keep the history - Google Chrome (I can export the bookmarks), pidgin, xchat ( can I just copy the chat logs??) |
| 14:33.57 | Rapsodius | also I have a working config file, but its for older version of the kernel, how do I import it |
| 14:34.09 | unixSnob | abrotman: the website only shows the last three versions.. I was hoping for something more systematic.. like aptitude changelog |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | last three versions? |
| 14:34.28 | wols | Rapsodius: via make oldconfig |
| 14:34.31 | NoReflex | "lots of some" that sounds stupid :(... |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | unixSnob: which package? |
| 14:34.36 | jaggz | #debian-offtopic doesn't make sense.. people should just go to #offtopic :) |
| 14:35.11 | unixSnob | http://linux.softpedia.com/progChangelog/LIRC-Changelog-9090.html |
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| 14:35.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoReflex: If you are using the same version of the programm as you did on ubuntu it should be no problem to just copy the .app folders |
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| 14:35.39 | Rapsodius | wpols: Ok,thanks |
| 14:35.40 | unixSnob | abrotman: lric |
| 14:35.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoReflex: I did so for pidgin and evolution, but I had to reconfigure the mail adresses thought |
| 14:35.43 | unixSnob | abrotman: i mean lirc |
| 14:35.46 | Rapsodius | *wols |
| 14:36.17 | jaggz | o m g, we need a unified user data interface |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | unixSnob: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/lirc/lirc_0.8.3-5/changelog |
| 14:36.20 | bahatpc | is there an official channel for backports.org packages? |
| 14:36.21 | NoReflex | KaffeeJunky123: the versions are the same I think...Can I use Launchpad PPAs in Debian as well? |
| 14:36.32 | abrotman | bahatpc: not really .. |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | bahatpc: you can try asking here |
| 14:36.41 | unixSnob | thanks |
| 14:36.48 | bahatpc | ok, thanks |
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| 14:37.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoReflex: I don't know, sorry |
| 14:37.32 | bahatpc | I have all lenny-backports (Package: *) pinned 992. This is fine, however it also pulls in linux-libc-dev (2.6.32). All docs I found indicate I shouldn't be doing this; I should use the version which was used to compile libc, which would be the default 2.6.26. I assume the latter is correct? |
| 14:37.34 | NoReflex | np ... maybe someone else does :) |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | bahatpc: which kernel are you installing ? |
| 14:38.09 | nvz | bahatpc: actually the docs say to use -t lenny-backports, and not to pin.. |
| 14:38.24 | bahatpc | abrotman: I'm running 2.6.32 from backports.org |
| 14:38.33 | nvz | the stuff is setup already |
| 14:38.41 | jaggz | $ prepare_unidata_backup -i ~/.unidatarc --exclude-browser-history=all --include-logs=pidgin |
| 14:39.05 | abrotman | bahatpc: okay, so you probably need that package .. did you read the descriptions? |
| 14:39.55 | siri1 | Pls can anyone tell me "How to get complete wvdial source downloaded(link please..including dependencies), so that i can move to debian and get internet connected in debian" |
| 14:40.01 | bahatpc | nvz: sorry, I was vague: I was referring to the kernel documentation. "install the headers libc was compiled with, not those of the kernel de jour" (to paraphrase) |
| 14:40.18 | abrotman | siri1: IIRC the installer comes with pppconfig |
| 14:40.57 | siri1 | abrotman: means? |
| 14:41.11 | abrotman | you can use that instead of wvdial? |
| 14:41.17 | nvz | bahatpc: yeah that package you mentioned is for userspace development around your kernel |
| 14:41.42 | siri1 | abrotman: now i m in windows...and my debian dvd is not having the package wvdial. |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | DVD1 didn't have it ? |
| 14:42.01 | bahatpc | abrotman: I do need the package, but not that specific version. It just gets auto-upgraded due do my pinning. Some kernel docs I found mentioned this could be dangerous; I was hoping for more info ;-) |
| 14:42.11 | siri1 | abrotman: I didnt have it in my dvd.!! |
| 14:42.17 | nvz | bahatpc: there are lots of new kernel development tools these days. They've ditched the old make process now too.. the kernel got its own build tools |
| 14:42.26 | fbh | Does anyone have experience with sending out newsletters? I can't use random php apps, as they do not register bouncemail and automatically unsubscribe users (to prevent hitting a spamtrap) |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | fbh: use something like mailman or some other mailing list manager |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | siri1: is this lenny ? |
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| 14:44.01 | siri1 | abrotman: yeas |
| 14:44.39 | bahatpc | nvz: I'm aware. Actually, I think linux-libc-dev was simply the result of *all* binary packages being built, unconditionally. What I'm unclear of is if I can install all those packages *unconditionally* too. The kernel docs indicate I shouldn't be doing that, so I'm trying to figure out if that is outdated or linux-libc-dev shouldn't be showing up in lenny-backports |
| 14:44.41 | gizmore | i have installed postfix + courier-imapd ... i get this error: chdir Maildir (dir does not exist) |
| 14:44.53 | fbh | abrotman: I was looking at mlmmj, but the From: header is not very good, also it sends to "undisclosed". it must handle each e-mail seperately and put only one destination in the To header |
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| 14:45.09 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with nvidia non free driver and testing, when i try to module assistant it --> http://pastebin.com/0wg4AwPj |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | siri1: there is no program for windows that i'm aware of .. i might start by getting the program and the libraries it depends on (besides libc6 which you already have) |
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| 14:46.06 | abrotman | gizmore: maildirmake ? |
| 14:46.18 | gizmore | abrotman: no? thank you |
| 14:46.26 | siri1 | abrotman: I m not asking for windows..currently i m in windows..I want to get the link of wvdial source package so that i can install it |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | gizmore: you don't want to make a maildir ? |
| 14:46.36 | wols | gizmore: you should listen to abrotman |
| 14:46.49 | wols | siri1: packages.debian.org |
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| 14:46.52 | abrotman | siri1: packages.debian.org/wvdial |
| 14:46.59 | siri1 | abrotman: Or any other way to get connected to internet in debian ? |
| 14:47.09 | gizmore | abrotman: i am complete new to email stuff... i ll search for maildirmake, thank you and wols as well |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | siri1: do you use a model to dial into the internet ? |
| 14:47.22 | siri1 | abrotman: Does it contain all the dependencies? |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | gizmore: IIRC there's an option in the postfix docs to have it auto create the maildir |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | siri1: no, you'll have to get each one individually |
| 14:47.41 | siri1 | abrotman: yes modem..it uses #777 in windows.. |
| 14:47.45 | abrotman | shouldn't be very many though |
| 14:47.59 | Devastator | siri1 3g modem? |
| 14:48.16 | wols | siri1: you need to tell us more about the way you connect to the internet for us to help you |
| 14:48.23 | nvz | siri1: I use gnomeppp as a frontend to wvdial, or pon/poff with pppconfig for command line |
| 14:48.28 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with nvidia non free driver and testing, when i try to module assistant it --> http://pastebin.com/0wg4AwPj |
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| 14:48.35 | wols | !tell BerMeJo about repeat |
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| 14:48.47 | siri1 | Devastator: not 3g its bsnl wll |
| 14:48.55 | wols | BerMeJo: and you where here when the same problem came up earlier too |
| 14:49.01 | Devastator | pppconfig will do |
| 14:49.27 | BerMeJo | i can't think solution is downrade row |
| 14:49.47 | siri1 | Devastator: ppp,pppoeconf,kppp didnt worked..i tried those.. |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | siri1: did you try pppconfig ? |
| 14:50.37 | siri1 | nvz: My debian dvd doesnt contain the pppconfig? |
| 14:51.04 | NoReflex | how should I go about installing Debian?should I get the stable iso and then change to apt sources to testing? |
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| 14:52.14 | nvz | siri1: well then you got ripped off, ask for a refund :-P |
| 14:52.37 | wols | you guys sure it's not called "pppoeconf"? |
| 14:52.47 | nvz | na its pppconf |
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| 14:52.57 | nvz | he just apparenlty only has the first dvd and its not on there |
| 14:52.59 | Bigone | Hello! I need to recover grub2 without reinstalling the OS? I have encrypted disk with separated boot partition, so I cant mount root partition from Life CD and chroot into it. How can I repair it? |
| 14:53.14 | nvz | erm pppconfig I mean |
| 14:53.17 | siri1 | nvz: are there any other ways? |
| 14:53.24 | jaggz | man, kdiff3 is confusing.. meld is easier and more intuitive (and probably less advanced). I am comparing two dirs, and I am viewing a file different in A and B -- I want to use A in both directories. Is my understanding of the docs correct in that, I now made the "Operation" column say "A"? |
| 14:53.34 | nvz | siri1: there are always other ways.. you're online now arent you? |
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| 14:53.48 | siri1 | nvz: yes |
| 14:53.59 | KatchaFire | NoReflex: yes and if you need new software upgrade to testing. |
| 14:54.07 | wols | there is an easy way: colinux. lets you run your debian installation under windows |
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| 14:54.23 | nvz | siri1: well there you have it.. I didn't use a DVD to install anything on my system I booted the installer from the net, and installed it all from the net |
| 14:54.34 | wols | Bigone: are you already chrooted into it? |
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| 14:54.49 | siri1 | nvz: but now i m in windows! |
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| 14:55.02 | siri1 | nvz: how can i install it? |
| 14:55.08 | abrotman | siri1: your DVD should have pppconfig |
| 14:55.16 | nvz | yeah, so? windows can't download? |
| 14:55.29 | nvz | what are you using wfw 3.11? haha |
| 14:55.35 | NoReflex | KatchaFire: will try, thx |
| 14:55.37 | Wyzard | Bigone: You *can* mount the root partition from a liveCD -- use "cryptsetup luksOpen" or whatever to get access to the plaintext device |
| 14:55.38 | sbrothy | Hello. How do I reenable "Ctrl+Alt+BKSP" to kill X? I've tried with the DontZap option in the xorg.conf file to no avail. I can't seem to find a package called dontzap either... |
| 14:55.51 | riot | how do i find out whats keeping ksoftirqd eating up two of my four cores every few seconds? |
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| 14:55.58 | Bigone | <wols>: no, I cant mount only my /boot partition, I can't mount "/" to chroot into... |
| 14:56.04 | Wyzard | Bigone: (You may need to install cryptsetup in the liveCD environment since it's probably not there by default) |
| 14:56.18 | riot | its annoying like hell, because it keeps spinning up the cpu-cooler rythmically :/ |
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| 14:56.20 | nvz | riot: attach an strace to it? |
| 14:56.28 | siri1 | abrotman: no ..it has others like www-config..etc..i have installed all the web related packages through synaptic.! |
| 14:56.41 | Wyzard | nvz: can't strace a kernel thread |
| 14:56.46 | riot | yep |
| 14:56.55 | Bigone | <Wyzard> I have parted encypted partition using lvm.. so It is not enought just to use losetup |
| 14:56.57 | wols | nvz: strace to ksoftirqd? |
| 14:56.57 | siri1 | nvz: wat is wfw? |
| 14:57.09 | wols | siri1: ignore him |
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| 14:57.19 | siri1 | wols: k |
| 14:57.29 | sbrothy | Sorry lost ocnnection there. |
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| 14:57.31 | gothenburg | :D |
| 14:57.53 | wols | siri1: why haven't you downloaded wvdial by now? |
| 14:57.54 | riot | here's a paste of my /proc/softirqs: http://nopaste.info/b5639ec856.html |
| 14:57.57 | Bigone | <Wyzard> Is there any way to recover grub without mounting root partition/ |
| 14:57.59 | nvz | Wyzard: never tried, but I suppose you can't |
| 14:58.00 | Bigone | ? |
| 14:58.01 | gizmore | abrotman: Yay it works now :) thank you _a_lot_! |
| 14:58.08 | Wyzard | Bigone: "cryptsetup luksOpen" to get the plaintext device (which is an LVM PV) in /dev/mapper, then "pvscan" to notice that there's a new PV available, then "vgchange -ay" to make the LV(s) available for mounting |
| 14:58.12 | riot | anything unusual there? the box is up for only an hour now |
| 14:58.24 | siri1 | wols: no not downloaded. |
| 14:58.44 | Bigone | <Wyzard>: ok.. i'll try it right now |
| 14:58.47 | siri1 | wols: Any links that include dependencies also? |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | !tell sbrothy about dontzap |
| 14:59.11 | wols | siri1: you've been told already |
| 14:59.18 | Wyzard | Bigone: Anyway, you don't need the root partition to reinstall GRUB if you have a separate /boot; you should be able to just run grub-setup right from the CD |
| 14:59.37 | siri1 | wols: but its needs dependencies ? |
| 14:59.48 | Wyzard | Bigone: Unfortunately I need to leave now so I can't provide more help, but I'm sure others can |
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| 15:00.39 | sbrothy | Thanks you! |
| 15:00.44 | Wyzard | Bigone: err, grub-install, not grub-setup |
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| 15:01.42 | Bigone | <Wyzard> thanks. I'll try it |
| 15:01.44 | siri1 | wols:now i m trying to.. |
| 15:02.03 | siri1 | wols: which one to select alpha,amd64? |
| 15:02.19 | wols | siri1: the one for your cpu architecture |
| 15:02.29 | wols | which installer did you download? |
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| 15:02.52 | siri1 | wols: firefox browser only.. |
| 15:03.04 | wols | that is no answer to my question |
| 15:03.10 | siri1 | wols: alpha..i have selected |
| 15:03.21 | wols | do you have a DEC alpha cpu? |
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| 15:03.57 | abrotman | oh oh . i know! |
| 15:03.59 | wols | do not just select the first entry you see. it will NOT work |
| 15:04.06 | wols | yes abrotman? |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | i bet he doesn't! |
| 15:04.27 | wols | shame on you for only taking the easy bets |
| 15:04.38 | abrotman | i have one! |
| 15:04.41 | siri1 | wols: please forgive ..i m leaving to dinner .our mess is going to close within 10 minutes..I will be back after 20 minutes! Thanks for your help |
| 15:04.53 | wols | if you already know the outcome, betting is not gentlemanlike |
| 15:05.16 | wols | if you have one, you can share with siri1 |
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| 15:07.13 | abrotman | waves to antgel |
| 15:07.53 | jaggz | anyone know of a utility for file similarity? displaying the % difference .. so I can run it on the current directory and it'll show me files matching 100% at the top... |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | jaggz: apt-cache search duplicate files |
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| 15:20.40 | paxcoder | hey peeps. i tried out that "rotate" option in "Display", and accordingly rotated my LCD screen. I rather like it like this, but the screen takes time to draw from left to right (or originally, from up to bottom). Can anyone tell me why it's so hard for the card or whatever, and if there's a way to fix this? |
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| 15:22.00 | sbrothy | Hello. After installing nvidia drivers I cannot start X as normal user. "Error in locking authority file .Xauthority" it says. I've transferred ownership of the file to my normal user and even set rwx for ugo on it but it still gives me the same error! Any clues? |
| 15:22.38 | gothenburg | tried google? |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | sbrothy: have you 'aptitude install xorg' ? |
| 15:22.53 | gothenburg | I haven't got any clue |
| 15:23.21 | sbrothy | Install xorg? Butobviously I already have xorg installed haven't I? I mean I'm running X as root now... |
| 15:23.28 | gothenburg | ;D |
| 15:23.28 | siri1 | wols: hi again |
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| 15:24.55 | wols | sbrothy: is another X running already? |
| 15:25.15 | sbrothy | Nope. I rebooted to be absolutely sure. |
| 15:25.22 | sbrothy | I see i can just delete it and try again... |
| 15:25.28 | sbrothy | I'll try that. |
| 15:25.29 | cahoot | remove the .Xauthority file in $HOME? |
| 15:25.53 | jaggz | abrotman none of these seem to really do it.. |
| 15:25.59 | sbrothy | Yes. I'll give that a try. Though if i set all permissions on it it *should* work shouldn't it? Mysterious. |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | fdupes ? |
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| 15:27.12 | jaggz | I didn't want to install them all.. but in viewing fdupes manpages I didn't find "similarity" documented, but I'll give it a shot. |
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| 15:28.06 | sbrothy | Deleting it did the trick! Thank you. |
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| 15:28.38 | jaggz | fdupes isn't saying anything at all with fdupes -r ./ |
| 15:28.51 | jaggz | oh.. in wrong dir |
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| 15:29.32 | jaggz | okay, yeah this is also a boolean, matches, or not.. it's finding my .svn copies :/ |
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| 15:36.07 | pif | hi, where are usb device nodes located? |
| 15:37.18 | paxcoder | /dev/sda* afaik |
| 15:37.30 | paxcoder | sd* |
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| 15:45.05 | Wyzard | paxcoder: Assuming it's a mass storage device, and not a mouse or something |
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| 15:45.26 | paxcoder | Wyzard: yep |
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| 15:57.40 | dbbolton | my hwclock has the right date and time but the wrong day |
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| 15:59.49 | efka | dbbolton: ntpdate-debian && hwclock -w |
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| 16:01.58 | paxcoder | in case anyone is interested: it turns out you need 3D acceleration for the "rotate" feature in GNOME's "Display", and having a clean vrms, I don't have it. |
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| 16:02.52 | \amethyst | dbbolton: err? what do you mean by "right date but wrong day"? |
| 16:03.13 | nervousTwitch | i open a ftp site through gnome and iceweasel opens also how can i stop that? |
| 16:03.40 | gothenburg | lol |
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| 16:03.50 | fant0m` | what options of netstat shwos open port name of services etc. ? |
| 16:03.53 | fant0m` | netstat -naf ? |
| 16:04.00 | zeeble | -tualp |
| 16:04.10 | \amethyst | fant0m`: -n says not to show the name of service, just the port number |
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| 16:04.25 | fant0m` | hm i will check |
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| 16:05.31 | \amethyst | -l for listening, -a for all (listening and established), -t for TCP, -u for UDP, -p to show the program using the port (only if you own the program or are root) |
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| 16:07.17 | fant0m` | why on boot when i compile 2.6.33 in information list it shows/splits - info on 2 tty tty1 and tty6, i want only in one tty, (but when it is set vga=792 mode or other mode) by default is on one tty? |
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| 16:07.41 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:16.25 | iuri | hi there, i want to install a debian server on my office, but i am worry about build it safe from intruders. What is the service i need to install together ? |
| 16:17.19 | zeeble | read a few security howtos.. and the debian administrators guide. should give you a fair idea of waht you should be installing. depends what you want to use the "server" for |
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| 16:17.40 | gizmore | iuri: prevent dictionary/brute attacks, use strong passwords |
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| 16:19.16 | abrotman | iuri: for what services? |
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| 16:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, install a service and your server is safe. |
| 16:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | No learning required. |
| 16:20.45 | niklaswe | hmm any ide about this problem.. i using rcs... and after i has checking my file.. I running a script.. some will send a mail to me with the change from rcsdiff -u.. but i cant figure out an good solution for it.. |
| 16:22.03 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: who said that ? |
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| 16:22.31 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Just a concept gleaned from some questions. And from Microsoft advertizing. |
| 16:22.41 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
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| 16:27.07 | sivang | hi all |
| 16:27.12 | sivang | I wiped my /etc/mysql |
| 16:27.25 | sivang | and reinstalling the mysql-server packages did not seem to help |
| 16:27.28 | sivang | How can this be fixed? |
| 16:27.51 | sivang | Surprisingly, I would thinkthat reionstalling thepackages after a purge would install freshversions of the conffiles |
| 16:27.59 | sivang | but... I was bound to be disappointed. |
| 16:28.02 | hayleyw | !confmiss |
| 16:28.02 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 16:28.06 | sivang | Who can give me a hand on this ? |
| 16:28.12 | \amethyst | sivang: it should, but you need to purge the package that contains the config files |
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| 16:28.20 | sivang | \amethyst: I purged |
| 16:28.30 | sivang | aoh, and I am on 9.10 Karmic |
| 16:28.32 | sivang | ... |
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| 16:28.50 | \amethyst | sivang: mysql-server isn't the package you want to purge |
| 16:28.56 | \amethyst | sivang: the config files are in mysql-common |
| 16:29.00 | sivang | \amethyst: ah I see |
| 16:29.09 | \amethyst | sivang: or they would be on Debian |
| 16:29.16 | sivang | \amethyst: I automatically assumed that autoremove would take care of this |
| 16:29.16 | \amethyst | !ubuntu |
| 16:29.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:29.17 | fcuk112 | i see debian 5.04 comes in 5 DVD, do i just need the first one to install it? i also see livecd 5.03, can i use this as well and upgrade to 5.04? |
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| 16:29.47 | \amethyst | sivang: if you used aptitude --purge-unused or apt-get --purge it would |
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| 16:29.58 | sivang | \amethyst: ah, I see. Thanks !!! |
| 16:30.13 | \amethyst | sivang: but just aptitude purge packagename only purges that packages... unused ones are just removed |
| 16:30.16 | sivang | \amethyst: This has been much more helpful then pantomime #ubunut :) |
| 16:30.29 | \amethyst | s/that packages/that package/ |
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| 16:30.47 | adb | fcuk112, /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 16:31.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | wich packages do I need for japanese font support on debian lenny? |
| 16:32.09 | fcuk112 | livecd = netinst? |
| 16:32.18 | adb | no |
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| 16:32.51 | sivang | \amethyst: interesting note about ubuntu probably not living up todebians standards, what is used instead of the failing network-manager? |
| 16:32.58 | sivang | \amethyst: any plansto use ConnMan ? |
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| 16:33.20 | sivang | wishes he would get a good laptop with a good keyboard for once in his life after the T43 died |
| 16:33.22 | jhutchins_lt | sivang: A somewhat less failing networkmanager. |
| 16:33.36 | sivang | jhutchins_lt: why does it fail so badly in 9.10 ? |
| 16:33.51 | sivang | jhutchins_lt: I've reached a point where I use dhcp and iwconfig/ifconfig manually |
| 16:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | sivang: There is no Debian 9.10. |
| 16:33.57 | sivang | ah |
| 16:34.00 | sivang | good answer. |
| 16:34.03 | sivang | shuts up |
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| 16:36.13 | klarng | how can i use sox to play a .wav file? didn't work: |
| 16:36.16 | klarng | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.38 | Gijs | how to get the full size of a direction? |
| 16:36.50 | abrotman | klarng: you shouldn't have to specify the device |
| 16:36.55 | abrotman | Gijs: man du |
| 16:36.57 | Gijs | some command you type example: command /home/test/something |
| 16:36.58 | JPT | Gijs: direction => directory / folder? |
| 16:37.19 | JPT | usually, du -sh works, du -sh * for each file |
| 16:37.47 | Gijs | but for ALL Files and directions in that direction |
| 16:37.56 | niklaswe | Gijs: use du -sch <dir> |
| 16:38.11 | niklaswe | Gijs: or du -sch <dir/*> |
| 16:38.48 | cheako | Some one had inquired about the Magic Mouse's battery. 3 days now continually connected and on, still no dead battery. |
| 16:38.49 | niklaswe | with -c you got total size too |
| 16:38.49 | klarng | abrotman: sox's command line syntax doesn't seem to allow that. doesn't work: |
| 16:38.52 | klarng | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.11 | Gijs | ahha |
| 16:39.12 | Gijs | thanks D: |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | klarng: does any sound work at all ? |
| 16:39.36 | niklaswe | Gijs: np |
| 16:39.50 | cheako | These are the Energizer AA alkaline batterys the Mouse came with. |
| 16:40.01 | klarng | abrotman: yes, mplayer plays ok, saying "AO: [alsa]" |
| 16:40.07 | fcuk112 | is a 40gb partition good enough to install debian in virtualbox? |
| 16:41.03 | JPT | should be |
| 16:41.19 | abrotman | klarng: try aplay ? |
| 16:41.44 | wols | fcuk112: overkill |
| 16:42.00 | wols | you will have around 45+ GB left for data |
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| 16:42.10 | wols | 35+ that is |
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| 16:48.34 | cheako | Hello, ne1 work with HAL fdi files? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2010-March/013780.html |
| 16:49.07 | klarng | abrotman: i didn't know aplay existed. thx. now, if aplay -l says: http://paste.debian.net/62772/ , how do i play sound on the "C-Media USB", that is, what do i need for aplay -D ..?.. |
| 16:49.56 | klarng | abrotman: again, trying all `find /dev` and also `ls /dev/snd/*` didn't work |
| 16:50.25 | abrotman | klarng: are you trying to set the USB device as your default ? |
| 16:50.57 | klarng | abrotman: that would help too. but just having one aplay command send sound to it would be enough. |
| 16:51.35 | plus | is there a way to specify your own mirror from the debian net installer |
| 16:51.41 | abrotman | klarng: aplay -L ? |
| 16:52.49 | jaggz | b'bye! |
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| 16:55.17 | klarng | abrotman: great :) how do i set it as default? it's not accessible by alsamixer or alsamixergui |
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| 16:56.37 | abrotman | klarng: i would tell you to visit the alsa wiki .. but i don't seem to be able to get to it |
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| 16:56.50 | rgr | in squeeze, my monitor keeps blanking after about 10 mins even though the screen saver is off and there is nothing set in the power settings. What else needs configuring? |
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| 16:57.41 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: It'd probably help to know what desktop, if any, you're running. |
| 16:57.54 | niklaswe | does someone know when the fix will come for console-setup.. so it not switching from tty1 to tty6 when the computer booting up |
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| 16:58.40 | rgr | gnome |
| 16:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | niklaswe: You've never done software development, have you? Nobody will know when a fix will be found until the fix is found, that's just how it works. |
| 16:59.41 | klarng | klarng: thank you! i'll figure it out |
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| 17:00.02 | klarng | abrotman .. |
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| 17:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | niklaswe: (Unless, of course, the fix _has_ been found and is in the pipeline I guess.) |
| 17:00.20 | abrotman | klarng: you could also ask #alsa |
| 17:00.30 | klarng | ok |
| 17:00.34 | abrotman | klarng: iirc it's /etc/asound.conf |
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| 17:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | klarng: It would seem like you could set something in the alsa config files, although those are usually autogenerated these days. |
| 17:01.12 | niklaswe | jhutchins_lt: nope :P maybe my formulation was wrong, what i mean was if it has come any fix for it :P |
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| 17:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | niklaswe: You could check the bts. |
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| 17:05.28 | niklaswe | jhutchins_lt: okey :) will check there :) |
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| 17:07.20 | gh0st | is there available ndiswrapper alternative? |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | to do what? |
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| 17:09.00 | klarng | ( the magic syntax is aplay -D hw:2 and alsamixer -D hw:2 ) |
| 17:09.16 | gh0st | abrotman: to run a wifi... |
| 17:09.19 | krion | hi |
| 17:09.29 | wols | gh0st: what chip in that wifi? |
| 17:09.59 | gh0st | wols: usb devices two: linksys wusb600n - ralink and d-link dwa 140 ralink again i have |
| 17:10.16 | gh0st | klarng yes :) |
| 17:10.30 | wols | gh0st: ouch. the linksys _might_ have a driver finally in 2.6.33. if you are lucky |
| 17:10.45 | gh0st | wols: w0w really ? |
| 17:11.16 | klarng | ( and ... sox audiodump.wav -t alsa hw:2 (!) ) |
| 17:11.27 | gh0st | klarng yes yes hw |
| 17:12.03 | gh0st | wols: ver. 2 ? |
| 17:13.02 | abrotman | klarng: never would have guessed that |
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| 17:13.12 | sivang | dpkg --force-confmiss is not recognized |
| 17:13.12 | dpkg | sivang: what are you talking about? |
| 17:13.13 | sivang | ordd |
| 17:13.21 | sivang | hey dpkg |
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| 17:15.03 | abrotman | !tell sivang about confmiss |
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| 17:16.13 | wols | gh0st: they did. but very very experimental apparently |
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| 17:19.28 | gh0st | wols: i see becouse driver cannot be loaded |
| 17:19.33 | gh0st | module.. |
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| 17:21.24 | wols | gh0st: apparently ralink itself might have a closed source driver |
| 17:22.33 | sivang | feels like he needs to retrn home |
| 17:22.43 | sivang | "Long lost child!" |
| 17:22.48 | sivang | as apache likes to say |
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| 17:26.21 | vh4x0r | Hi, I'm installing debian unstable cd 1 ! |
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| 17:26.31 | gh0st | unstable... |
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| 17:26.39 | vh4x0r | while installing the base system, installation of base_passwd fails ! |
| 17:26.52 | SimManiac | hi |
| 17:26.52 | gh0st | vh4x0r use STABLE |
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| 17:27.21 | vh4x0r | gh0st: yeah just wanted to play wid unstable ... |
| 17:27.32 | vh4x0r | gh0st: is it really this `unstable' ? |
| 17:28.07 | abrotman | it can be .. please use unstable |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | erm .. please use stable |
| 17:28.19 | gh0st | yes yes is fro just testing for developers :)) stable is a stable just a few week lenny release a 5.0.4 updated debian get it :P |
| 17:28.28 | efka | vh4x0r: try stable/testing, then upgrade to unstable |
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| 17:28.52 | sivang | \amethyst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/389730/ |
| 17:28.53 | titan8990 | efka: and you will support him when his stuff is broken? |
| 17:28.55 | vh4x0r | fyi, i already use stable/testing ... |
| 17:28.59 | gh0st | vh4x0r: u can use after that backports of course, www.backports.org |
| 17:29.09 | vh4x0r | yeah know that ! |
| 17:29.10 | sivang | \amethyst: I just aptitude remove --purge mysql-common and reionstalled |
| 17:29.16 | gh0st | cool |
| 17:29.18 | kolpur | i'm unable to start scim .. when i type scim in terminal, its displaying an error saying |
| 17:29.23 | abrotman | sivang: go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 17:29.27 | kolpur | scim exited abnormallt |
| 17:29.46 | kolpur | how to start scim ? |
| 17:29.55 | sivang | abrotman: you think this is ubuntu specific? |
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| 17:30.05 | sivang | mejoins #ubuntu |
| 17:30.10 | abrotman | sivang: This channel is for debian support |
| 17:30.10 | efka | titan8990: guy want unstable, so let it be |
| 17:30.17 | vh4x0r | hmm ... fixed it, since libc6 wasn't installed base_passwd install failed, just dpkg --install libc6 ! |
| 17:30.20 | abrotman | efka: do not suggest people use unstable |
| 17:30.32 | wols | efka: trouble is, we have to pick up the pieces when it doesn't work and he can't fix it |
| 17:30.48 | OperaFan | hi, having some problems with spamassassin, it's just not working very well anymore, getting lots of spam through. The spamassassin channel seems dead. Is Spamassasin still the best way to go? |
| 17:30.50 | sivang | abrotman: okay |
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| 17:31.58 | efka | sorry guys i'm using unstable/experimental so i shut up now or i burn in hell |
| 17:32.15 | wols | efka: that's not the point. what you use is your own business |
| 17:32.34 | vh4x0r | what's tthe problem in just playing wid unstable ? |
| 17:32.37 | wols | just telling others to use it is not a good idea (personally I type this on sid as well) |
| 17:32.51 | efka | his question was how to get unstable ;) |
| 17:32.57 | abrotman | please drop it |
| 17:32.57 | wols | vh4x0r: it breaks. often. and you are most probably not equipped to deal with the breakage |
| 17:33.24 | sivang | sid is like the most stable OS i\ve seen in year.s |
| 17:33.26 | abrotman | vh4x0r: if you want ot use unstable, your first task is to figure out how to install it .. have fun |
| 17:33.53 | vh4x0r | yeah figuring that one now, i'm sure it'll be a gr8 learning experience ! |
| 17:33.59 | sivang | somtimes it is more predictable and stable then some officially stable OSs :) |
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| 17:34.33 | abrotman | says the guy with broken ubuntu packages ... |
| 17:34.40 | titan8990 | haha |
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| 17:34.46 | jhutchins | OperaFan: Make sure it's actually running. Look for the headers it adds to messages. I find that greylisting helped a LOT, that plus spamassassin w/ beysian learning. |
| 17:34.51 | efka | ;) |
| 17:35.24 | OperaFan | I have the headers, but can't work out how to interpret them |
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| 17:38.45 | krion | i don't get why auto installing recommendations is the default now |
| 17:39.11 | krion | like i want to install openssh-server on a fresh server and it want to install x11-common |
| 17:40.05 | jelly-home | krion: that particular one enables X11Forwarding to work |
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| 17:40.50 | \amethyst | krion: you can use apt-get --no-install-recommends or aptitude -R to avoid that |
| 17:40.53 | krion | i use aptitude -R and it just install xauth who's rather acceptable |
| 17:41.06 | krion | put it's the default state that i don't get |
| 17:41.17 | krion | s/pu/bu/ |
| 17:41.42 | jelly-home | !why recommends |
| 17:41.42 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality. |
| 17:42.23 | beardy | Or 'aptitude --without-recommends', since you used long option for apt-get.. |
| 17:42.37 | krion | oh, allright.. |
| 17:42.48 | \amethyst | krion: to disable it by default, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf/99local and add APT { Install-Recommends "false"; }; |
| 17:43.11 | krion | oh, thank you very much i'll do that on my server |
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| 17:43.40 | jelly-home | agrees with that general idea, but not with the execution... it really installs a lot of crap |
| 17:43.54 | beardy | shudders at the thought of recursive recommends bloat.. |
| 17:44.07 | beardy | agrees with jelly-home on that. |
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| 17:56.02 | infid | is there a diff program that has syntax higlighting for python, php, etc |
| 17:57.05 | xyan | infid: vi does highlighting and you can vi -d <file1> <file2> |
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| 17:59.14 | nvz | pretty much every editor there is in linux does that.. haha |
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| 18:00.42 | nvz | I've been using gedit lately just cause its in my f'n gnome menu. Though I don't like it mostly because when I need to edit root owned files its kinda a PITA. In a shell I can become root and use a text-based editor a whole lot easier |
| 18:00.43 | infid | i know just want a way to do it from the command line |
| 18:01.09 | krion | infid: vimdiff <3 |
| 18:01.17 | nvz | infid: oh you literally mean a "diff" program |
| 18:01.26 | infid | yeah |
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| 18:01.44 | nvz | I'm used to people just being too lazy to type |
| 18:01.49 | nvz | heh |
| 18:02.38 | infid | you can gksudo gedit |
| 18:04.21 | infid | i prefer gvim though, if you forget to run it as sudo you can still save files by doing :w !sudo tee % |
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| 18:04.57 | xyan | aslong as you have sudo |
| 18:05.06 | beardy | This is not Ubuntu. |
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| 18:05.39 | nvz | just the name of that distro annoys me |
| 18:05.50 | krion | :-) |
| 18:06.02 | nvz | sounds like pittsburghese for "you want to?" |
| 18:06.53 | nvz | jeet jet? naw, jew? |
| 18:07.05 | infid | i had someone ask me, in person the other day, if i used ubuntu and he pronounced it full on 'oo-boon-too' and i said 'blue tooth? yeah' and he goes 'no ubooonto' and i went huh? and he goes the new linux |
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| 18:07.09 | infid | and i went what |
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| 18:07.38 | infid | they finally i got it. "the new linux" made me laugh though |
| 18:07.45 | nvz | yeah thats how I hear a lot of people say it |
| 18:07.48 | beardy | Makes me cry. |
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| 18:08.04 | Etna | if i want to install a program through source code, how do i get the system to install it into a custom directory of my choice? |
| 18:08.04 | nvz | of course I've never heard anyone (including myself) pronounce "linux" right |
| 18:08.09 | infid | it's supposed to be the correct pronunciation but i will never say that just like i'll never say ga-nome |
| 18:08.35 | infid | --prefix to configure isnt it |
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| 18:08.57 | infid | i havent heard someone say line-x since the 90s |
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| 18:09.16 | nvz | my dad loves saying guh-noo (GNU) and he refuses to let go of windows.. heh. |
| 18:09.20 | nvz | I just spell it out |
| 18:09.35 | nvz | even though I love RMS and I know he wants me to say guh-noo |
| 18:09.39 | macrobat | you ppl are anglo-centric |
| 18:09.52 | infid | i had a coworker that used to annoy the hell out of me because he'd say 'postgrey' for 'postgresql' apparently he thought it was 'postgre sql' so he'd just say postgre |
| 18:10.01 | beardy | Who and why. But not here please. |
| 18:10.02 | infid | so i said yeah i'm using my |
| 18:10.21 | PinkFreud | infid: *snerk* |
| 18:10.47 | macrobat | i say ingres |
| 18:11.03 | nvz | there is no hyphen in anglocentric |
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| 18:11.15 | hellyeah | hey |
| 18:11.29 | hellyeah | how can i install debian 6.0 alopha1 from us |
| 18:11.31 | hellyeah | b |
| 18:11.44 | beardy | Heck no. |
| 18:11.46 | nvz | hellyeah: there is no debian 6.0 |
| 18:12.13 | infid | i still have my debian 2.0 CDs from the 90s i bought from lsl |
| 18:12.32 | infid | i might be a hoarder |
| 18:12.34 | macrobat | hellyeah: and "alpha1", where did you get that from? |
| 18:12.37 | hellyeah | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2010/20100221 |
| 18:12.43 | nvz | infid: might be. |
| 18:13.21 | Etna | when installing from source code, can i get it to install in a custom directory by using ./configure --prefix=/home/my/custom/directory ? |
| 18:13.27 | hellyeah | i want to install debian from cd |
| 18:13.29 | nvz | hellyeah: thats not debian 6.0, thats debian installer 6.0 |
| 18:13.31 | hellyeah | sorry usb |
| 18:13.35 | hellyeah | pls help |
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| 18:14.32 | nvz | and it installs the current testing branch of debian |
| 18:14.41 | macrobat | they disabled the Graphical Installer in 6.0 |
| 18:15.09 | beardy | hellyeah: Follow the link, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , at the bottom of the listings are usb-installers. |
| 18:15.09 | nvz | which if you can't figure out how to download it and read the install guide, you shouldn't be using testing anyhow would be my guess |
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| 18:16.28 | nvz | at least I ain't biting on helping anyone install testing using a beta installer.. that spells out annoy nvz for hours |
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| 18:19.51 | hellyeah | i clikc other images usb stick |
| 18:19.55 | Wilthril | hi all |
| 18:20.05 | Wilthril | can i in a shell script replace in a string a character with another? (basically i want to escape spaces, ie " " becomes "\ ") |
| 18:20.53 | hellyeah | is it hd media for usb stick installer |
| 18:21.24 | \amethyst | Wilthril: echo "${var/ /\\ }" but what are you doing the escaping for? there is probably a simpler, more robust way |
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| 18:22.26 | Wilthril | \amethyst: basically i get the files in a directory and then i run a command which takes the filename as a parameter, but when the file has spaces it doesn't work |
| 18:22.28 | PinkFreud | Wilthril: actually, ${var// /\\ } |
| 18:22.34 | \amethyst | ok |
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| 18:22.36 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:22.36 | PinkFreud | er, \amethyst too |
| 18:22.44 | Wilthril | thanks guys i'll try it |
| 18:22.50 | PinkFreud | otherwise, it only replaces the first instance :) |
| 18:22.57 | \amethyst | Wilthril: you should be able to rewrite it not to break on spaces |
| 18:23.07 | \amethyst | Wilthril: without having to escape anything |
| 18:23.44 | \amethyst | Wilthril: ask in #bash and maybe pastebin your code; I or someone else can help |
| 18:24.09 | hellyeah | i clik other image netboot usb stick etc. |
| 18:24.11 | Wilthril | ok thanks but it says "bad substitution" |
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| 18:24.24 | Wilthril | oh well i'll ask in #bash thanks again |
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| 18:24.25 | hellyeah | and i join |
| 18:24.27 | hellyeah | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 18:24.37 | hellyeah | i plan to download hd-media |
| 18:24.42 | hellyeah | this is true file |
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| 18:25.15 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:26.19 | hellyeah | someone |
| 18:26.36 | jelly-home | hellyeah: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:27.22 | hellyeah | i want to install debian from usb sticks |
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| 18:27.34 | hellyeah | usb stick i jon debian installer page |
| 18:27.45 | hellyeah | and i click other images netboot usb sticks |
| 18:28.02 | jelly-home | hellyeah: why are you using testing releases of debian-installer? |
| 18:28.07 | hellyeah | then i join http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 18:28.20 | hellyeah | testing hmm |
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| 18:28.43 | hellyeah | more up to date than stable |
| 18:28.54 | hellyeah | in stable i cannot use chromium browser |
| 18:28.57 | hellyeah | or some software |
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| 18:29.06 | hellyeah | but in testing i can use them |
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| 18:29.21 | wols | !enter |
| 18:29.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 18:29.43 | jelly-home | hellyeah: if you want to install current testing, use the stable installer, then upgrade the installation. |
| 18:29.55 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 18:29.57 | hellyeah | okey |
| 18:30.02 | jelly-home | hellyeah: "/msg dpkg kmuto" will have ready-made usb images |
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| 18:30.11 | hellyeah | i can install stable release from usb |
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| 18:30.59 | jelly-home | hellyeah: you were looking at the testing releases of the installer itself... this means a buggy new installer, not a buggy new debian release. |
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| 18:31.17 | Araneidae | Fresh install of Debian, but I seem to have the wrong keyboard setting for X11, but X11 only (US instead of UK, I guess). Where is this configured? |
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| 18:31.54 | Araneidae | Anybody know anything about making xrandr work with dual head? |
| 18:32.27 | jelly-home | !anybody |
| 18:32.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:32.34 | rgr | Araneidae: which debian do you have? my dual head has vanished too. |
| 18:32.39 | hellyeah | jelly-home, |
| 18:32.49 | hellyeah | must i download boot.img.gz |
| 18:32.53 | Araneidae | Brand new install ... presumably up to date lenny |
| 18:33.04 | rgr | hey, that "anybody" was fine. It had a question with it. |
| 18:33.14 | rgr | but oyu can do a brand new with squeeze too (which I use) |
| 18:33.25 | Araneidae | rgr, /etc/debian_version says 5.0.4 |
| 18:33.54 | jelly-home | hellyeah: yes |
| 18:33.56 | rgr | so lenny then I guess |
| 18:34.31 | hellyeah | jelly-home, and put it into usb without extracting |
| 18:35.06 | rgr | do the meatmodes setttings in xorg.conf use xrandr? |
| 18:35.09 | jelly-home | hellyeah: no idea, but it seems you'll want to uncompress it and write the miage directly on the usb device |
| 18:35.11 | rgr | metamodes |
| 18:35.58 | jelly-home | hellyeah: (in other words, don't merely copy the file foo.img to an already formatted usb stick, that won't work) |
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| 18:37.00 | hellyeah | okey i uncompress the file |
| 18:37.06 | hellyeah | abd iput into usb |
| 18:37.10 | hellyeah | and* |
| 18:37.14 | hellyeah | i hope it works |
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| 18:37.23 | wols | !tell hellyeah about usb install |
| 18:37.32 | wols | hellyeah: do not hope, read instead |
| 18:37.40 | jelly-home | Araneidae: what exactly is the problem with xrandr on your installation? You don't see more than one output port in "xrandr" output? You don't know how to enable more than one? |
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| 18:37.58 | jelly-home | Araneidae: pastebin your "xrandr" output and be a bit mor specific |
| 18:38.00 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:38.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:39.06 | Araneidae | jelly-home, sure. My problem is that I can only get mirrored output |
| 18:39.08 | jelly-home | hellyeah: if you're using Linux already, you'll have to use something like dd to write the image directly on the usb device |
| 18:39.41 | Araneidae | Here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/62785/ and here's my xrandr output http://paste.debian.net/62786/ |
| 18:40.57 | Araneidae | I've only done a C-A-BS restart since setting that xorg.conf, but that's always been enough for me in the past. My problem is that the xorg.conf used to give me proper dual head display (on Ubuntu, 6 months ago) and now I just get mirrored output. |
| 18:43.47 | Araneidae | jelly-home: I have tried this command to enable dual output: ` xrandr --output DVI-I_1 --right-of DVI-I_2` and `xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1` and the result is nothing at all. Not even an error message, or even an error code. No change. |
| 18:44.28 | Araneidae | I'm getting the impression radeon might be a bit bleeding edge here... |
| 18:44.32 | \amethyst | Araneidae: two outputs on the same card? I found that I needed to specify --crtc 0 when doing that |
| 18:44.46 | \amethyst | Araneidae: I use xrandr --output DVI-1 --left-of DVI-0 --crtc 0; xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1 --crtc 0 |
| 18:44.52 | k23z__ | <kbsmasher> I have tried: __asm { nop } but it didn't do anything. |
| 18:45.04 | Araneidae | \amethyst, sounds worth a try! |
| 18:45.16 | \amethyst | Araneidae: 'radeon' driver here |
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| 18:45.25 | Araneidae | same here |
| 18:45.38 | Araneidae | at least ... I *think* so! |
| 18:45.54 | \amethyst | Araneidae: look at /var/log |
| 18:46.08 | \amethyst | Araneidae: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, look for Module radeon |
| 18:46.29 | \amethyst | Araneidae: that will tell you if you're using radeon or radeon-hd; presumably if you were using fglrx you'd know |
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| 18:46.31 | cire | did a clean install, but had Intel EIST disabled. Now, even after enabling it, kde4 widgets don't recognize my CPUs correctly. (widget system monitor doesn't find any cpus). Are there packages missing I should install, or is this another problem? |
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| 18:46.43 | Araneidae | \amethyst, think I'm using radeonhd |
| 18:46.55 | Araneidae | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeonhd_drv.so |
| 18:46.56 | jelly-home | Araneidae: weird output names. Does "xrandr --output DVI-I_1 --off" and "xrandr --output DVI-I_1 --auto" work? |
| 18:47.23 | Araneidae | No, nothing happens |
| 18:47.30 | \amethyst | Araneidae: ah, so you are |
| 18:47.43 | jelly-home | Araneidae: perhaps it needs the full DVI-I_1/digital |
| 18:47.48 | Araneidae | What's the difference between radeon and radeonhd? |
| 18:47.59 | Araneidae | But why doesn't xrandr say "don't understand name"? |
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| 18:49.01 | Araneidae | jelly-home, that's interesting: ` xrandr --output DVI-I_1/digital --off` blanked *both* my screens, then came up with #1 off |
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| 18:49.07 | Araneidae | but then it came back on again! |
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| 18:51.44 | Araneidae | jelly-home, well that was *very interesting |
| 18:52.13 | jelly-home | Araneidae: at least now you have something to play with |
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| 18:52.32 | Araneidae | Well, not really |
| 18:52.42 | Araneidae | It's clearly comprehensively broken :( |
| 18:53.10 | Araneidae | What it did was to give me mirrored screens, but with all my windows far off the left hand size |
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| 18:53.47 | Araneidae | Very strange: think the virtual resolution changed, but the two desktop bars were in the right place, and maximising the screen brings it back into view |
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| 18:55.09 | panos | hello |
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| 19:00.07 | likevinyl | stop spam SetFree |
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| 19:01.23 | simonrvn | !ops on-join spammer SetFree |
| 19:01.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: on-join spammer SetFree |
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| 19:01.54 | abrotman | show off! |
| 19:01.56 | simonrvn | likevinyl: that's how you handle it |
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| 19:02.21 | simonrvn | let these people know ^^ |
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| 19:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about people who WANT spam, though :( you'rediscriminating against them, too! |
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| 19:07.44 | wols | they can get it from hormel |
| 19:08.26 | jelly-home | Araneidae: it's a bit weird to use, but _if_ the driver supports it fully, it can be made useful. Sometimes adding --auto help |
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| 19:09.25 | Araneidae | I'm wondering if I should be using radeon rather than radeon-hd. How is the choice made, what difference does it make? |
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| 19:11.41 | mobidev | hi |
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| 19:30.53 | jelly-home | dpkg: qotd0 |
| 19:30.53 | dpkg | <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
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| 19:34.06 | jelly-home | dpkg: listvals plz tell |
| 19:34.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'plz tell' by value (1): qotd112. |
| 19:34.25 | jelly-home | dpkg: listvals plz |
| 19:34.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'plz' by value (7): plz ;; rfc1956 ;; l33t ;; qotd112 ;; CMD: irritate (.*?) ;; pls ;; svp. |
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| 19:35.07 | beardy | !irritate jelly-home |
| 19:35.07 | dpkg | jelly-home: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd hello? |
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| 19:41.08 | jelly-home | !qotd112 |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced <Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
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| 19:45.17 | emacs-dwim | what's the trick to get alsa working on squeeze with 2.6.32-3 ? |
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| 19:46.10 | cahoot | should need no 'tricks' |
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| 19:46.40 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: m-a build alsa fails |
| 19:46.53 | cahoot | why even try that? |
| 19:46.55 | xoveruk | can someone advise me how i can sort out my pc performance issues? |
| 19:47.14 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: try speaker-tes -t wav -c2 |
| 19:47.23 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | xoveruk: Which operating system ? |
| 19:48.36 | xoveruk | debian |
| 19:48.58 | abrotman | xoveruk: so what's wrong with it? |
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| 19:49.17 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: (alsa comes with the kernel unless you've deliberately crippled it) |
| 19:49.53 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'..Playback open error: -19,No such device |
| 19:50.33 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: cat /proc/asound/cards - none listed? |
| 19:51.07 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: --- no soundcards --- |
| 19:51.28 | emacs-dwim | lspci: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 19:51.56 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: and if you try modprobe snd-hda-intel? |
| 19:52.17 | xoveruk | it runs slow and keeps hanging |
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| 19:52.45 | xoveruk | load is ok, ram is fine, i have iotop, but cant see how to analyse my disk i/o properly. |
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| 19:53.04 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: still none |
| 19:53.24 | cahoot | no error? |
| 19:53.39 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: although the driver loaded, and is being used by 1 device |
| 19:53.51 | Number5 | hello guys, where can I find cool widgets for the desktop that shows cpu usage, RAM, HD disk stattus etc...? I use Debian Lenny with xfce4, thank you. |
| 19:53.52 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: nope. |
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| 19:54.25 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: excuse me, 0 devices |
| 19:54.35 | cahoot | see what happens with alsa force-reload |
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| 19:55.14 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: no errors |
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| 19:55.36 | cahoot | still no card= |
| 19:55.53 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: no |
| 19:56.48 | cahoot | pastebin the output of cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 19:56.55 | abrotman | Number5: gdesklets perhaps |
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| 19:57.48 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: the file is empty |
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| 19:58.35 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: is this a very modern thing? |
| 19:58.49 | NoReflex | hello! I just switched from ubuntu karmic to debian squeeze and i'm having some problems... for starters compiz won't "decorate" windows it says : /bin/sh: /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator: not found |
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| 19:59.12 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: it's been working for about the past four years until around 2.6.30 or so |
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| 19:59.22 | cahoot | ouch |
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| 19:59.28 | jelly-home | NoReflex: install it? |
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| 19:59.45 | pianohacker | I have some possibly stale sources.list lines. Is there a quick way to see which of them I actually have packages installed from? |
| 19:59.50 | jelly-home | judd: versions gtk-window-decorator |
| 19:59.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gtk-window-decorator' was found. |
| 19:59.57 | jelly-home | hm |
| 20:00.01 | NoReflex | jelly: i tried aptitude search but I can't find the package name |
| 20:00.06 | jelly-home | judd: file gtk-window-decorator |
| 20:00.09 | judd | gtk-window-decorator in lenny/i386: compiz-gtk: usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator |
| 20:00.20 | jelly-home | NoReflex: next time, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:00.55 | jelly-home | NoReflex: next time, /msg dpkg apt-file --release squeeze |
| 20:00.57 | jelly-home | oops |
| 20:01.01 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: you know the pciid (lspci -nn)? |
| 20:01.06 | jelly-home | judd: file gtk-window-decorator --release queeze |
| 20:01.10 | jelly-home | gives up |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | pianohacker: put them in a pastebin |
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| 20:01.44 | NoReflex | jelly: aptitude install compiz-gtk did the trick; thank you |
| 20:01.44 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller [10de:0059] (rev a2) |
| 20:02.08 | pianohacker | abrotman: The only questionable ones are the experimental and backports repos for lenny |
| 20:02.16 | pianohacker | Can pastebin the exact lines if needed |
| 20:02.26 | abrotman | good idea |
| 20:03.01 | PhorceP | I'm using squeeze headless with Xvnc. I can't seem to get gdm to start on login -- just gray desktop with a gnome-terminal running. |
| 20:03.36 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: seems it's snd-intel8x0 - try modprobe that |
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| 20:04.53 | pianohacker | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1825671 |
| 20:04.57 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: yes, that was the driver, i recall; it loads, but no usage. |
| 20:05.18 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: speaker-test fails too? |
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| 20:05.45 | abrotman | pianohacker: your experimental is a deb-src .. and: dpkg -l "*bpo*" will tell you about bpo |
| 20:06.00 | scratchme | Hi all. I was hoping for some direction on fiberchannel in shared storage configurations with mdadm. Does anyone want to chat about it, or have a good guide? |
| 20:06.12 | NoReflex | There are lots of program that shipped with debian squeeze but I don't seem to be able to uninstall them - I'm talking about evolution, totem, empathy, ekiga, epiphany - when I try to remove them it also wants to remove gnome and gnome-dektop-environment... |
| 20:06.16 | pianohacker | abrotman: Ah, okay. I thought it would involve dpkg but wasn't sure exactly how. Thanks very much! |
| 20:06.17 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: yes, speaker-test fails. |
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| 20:06.47 | jelly-home | scratchme: how does mdadm come into that picture? |
| 20:07.20 | scratchme | jelly-home: I'd like to use mdadm against multi-path disks in a fiberchannel network, or direct connect with multi-controller drawers. |
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| 20:07.54 | scratchme | Ideally, I'd like to know how you manage migration from one machine to the other or how to best manage the soft-raid disk sets. |
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| 20:08.04 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: failing sound drove you to m-a alsa? i |
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| 20:08.38 | jelly-home | scratchme: $DEITY, you have disks on fiber, but no storage controller to manage them? :-) |
| 20:08.40 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: i recall using that method ever since alsaconf became obsolete. |
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| 20:09.12 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: one last try - alsa force-reload as root again |
| 20:09.13 | hellyeah | i do |
| 20:09.18 | scratchme | jelly-home: Basically at the moment, I have a dummy drawer attached directly to a fiber channel controller on my server. It sees them as plain ol' scsi devices. |
| 20:09.23 | hellyeah | zcat boot.img.gz /devsdb1 |
| 20:09.33 | hellyeah | it is 30 minutes that did not finish |
| 20:09.46 | peterrooney | pianohacker: a simple-minded test would be, apt-cache policy $(dpkg --get-selections | awk ' $2 == "install" { print $1; }') | grep Packages | sort | uniq |
| 20:09.59 | jelly-home | scratchme: oh, DAS. Well then, set up multipath and bring up md on top of those. |
| 20:10.14 | scratchme | jelly-home: I've got questions like, "Can I attach another FC card into the server and connect that card into a second port on that controller, or to the secondary controller on that drawer to improve speed?" "If I connect two servers to that drawer, can I manage shared disks? If so, how?" |
| 20:10.18 | balazsbela | Hey all. My friend keeps getting a gconftool-2: symbol lookup error. undefined symbol g_option_context_new |
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| 20:10.52 | abrotman | balazsbela: when doing what ? |
| 20:10.55 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: no luck. speaker-test fails. snd_intel8x0 24122 0 ; snd_ac97_codec 99186 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 20:11.17 | balazsbela | when apt-getting pidgin |
| 20:11.24 | balazsbela | and now I upgraded everything |
| 20:11.28 | scratchme | jelly-home: What's the best way to read about setting up multipathing for Linux in this sort of environment? At some point soon, I may get some FC switches and mess with that, too. |
| 20:11.31 | balazsbela | and kde won't start |
| 20:11.44 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: still no card0 in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 20:12.00 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: alas, no. |
| 20:12.35 | shortcircuit | Ok, so I'm moving from Ubuntu 8.04 to Debian 5, and I'm getting really, really frustrated by what feels like a termtype issue. |
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| 20:13.01 | jelly-home | scratchme: a) depends on the controller and mpath support (if I had to guess, "probably"); b) no idea, I bet there are all sorts of unhandled corner situations even if it's techincally possible |
| 20:13.23 | shortcircuit | If I run "ls" in some folder, then "ls" again, the window doesn't scroll properly. Instead, it seems like the last few lines of the previous listing get overwritten. |
| 20:13.23 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: I hate to say this but maybe try a reboot - possibly the installation attempt with m-a messed something up |
| 20:13.26 | balazsbela | abrotman ? |
| 20:13.29 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: i could try a reboot; that fixed loop-aes last time i upgraded my kernel -- what will i tell my MS-using friends... |
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| 20:13.47 | abrotman | balazsbela: can you put the whole thing in a pastebin ? |
| 20:13.50 | shortcircuit | What should I check? Which packages should I check? |
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| 20:14.32 | NoReflex | any idea how I could remove ekiga, epiphany, empathy, totem, transmission without removing gnome ? |
| 20:14.45 | macrobat | shortcircuit: you have a very long prompt? or you use zsh? |
| 20:14.57 | shortcircuit | (Oh, and "less (somelargefile)" only fills up the fist several lines of the terminal window, only filling more lines as I scroll down, as though it isn't picking up on a window resize) |
| 20:14.58 | jelly-home | scratchme: check the storage box vendor support matrix for starters. multipath-tools have some documentation and a nice example .conf file |
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| 20:15.18 | shortcircuit | macrobat: No. ssh->screen->bash |
| 20:15.33 | scratchme | jelly-home: I've been gathering off-lease equipment on the cheap and slogging through trying to teach myself this stuff, hands-on style. |
| 20:15.36 | shortcircuit | At least, I think I'm running bash. |
| 20:15.37 | shortcircuit | checks the default shell. |
| 20:15.45 | balazsbela | not really. he doesn't have net |
| 20:15.49 | balazsbela | but the error is this |
| 20:15.55 | shortcircuit | Yeah, default shell is /bin/bash. |
| 20:15.58 | balazsbela | gconftool-2: symbol lookup error. undefined symbol g_option_context_new |
| 20:16.24 | xoveruk | so abrotman: how can i check my disk i/o? |
| 20:16.26 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: do you have the same screen session attached in multiple places? |
| 20:16.34 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: No |
| 20:16.36 | abrotman | xoveruk: iostat |
| 20:16.37 | NoReflex | xoveruk: iostat -d ? |
| 20:16.45 | abrotman | balazsbela: there's a lot more .. and it's probably relevant |
| 20:16.47 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: does stty -a report the correct terminal size? |
| 20:16.52 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: (rows, columns) |
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| 20:17.36 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: I don't think so. It's reporting 80x24 (which I recall is an old default on DOS systems), but I don't think that's what my local xterm is. |
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| 20:18.05 | shortcircuit | ssh-screen-bash works fine when I connect to other systems, so I doubt it's a configuration issue local to my terminal machine. |
| 20:18.25 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: suspend the screen (^A z), does stty -a report the correct term. size outside of screen? |
| 20:18.37 | scratchme | jelly-home: the cards are QLOGIC QLA 2340. |
| 20:18.52 | jelly-home | scratchme: that's pretty much standard |
| 20:19.10 | balazsbela | it seems like he installed another glib from source |
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| 20:19.12 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: rows 0, columns 0. wtf? |
| 20:19.14 | balazsbela | I'll uninstall it |
| 20:19.16 | balazsbela | see if that works |
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| 20:19.30 | shortcircuit | Also, it seems I ran bash-ssh-bash-screen-bash, rather than bash-ssh-screen-bash. |
| 20:19.41 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: now, resize the xterm (while screen is still suspended), does it get fixed? |
| 20:19.56 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: no. |
| 20:20.06 | shortcircuit | A separate tab in the xterm works correctly, though. |
| 20:20.06 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:20.14 | shortcircuit | (I think it's actually gnome-terminal. Not sure.) |
| 20:20.21 | balazsbela | yep, removed it |
| 20:20.22 | balazsbela | works |
| 20:20.25 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: which temrinal emulator are you using? seems it's not sending SIGWINCH correctly |
| 20:20.30 | hellyeah | i see command zcat boot.img.gz |
| 20:20.33 | hellyeah | i did |
| 20:20.45 | hellyeah | it takes more than 30 minutes |
| 20:20.47 | hellyeah | why |
| 20:20.56 | hellyeah | and i see redicilious symbol |
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| 20:21.14 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: echo $TERM? |
| 20:21.22 | macrobat | boot.img is not a text file, hellyeah |
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| 20:21.29 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: xfce4-terminal, looks like. Works fine when I connect to my Ubuntu server (which irssi is running on) or the Debian 3 box at the office. |
| 20:21.58 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: now /proc/asound is gone |
| 20:22.00 | jelly-home | hellyeah: the point is to zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/YOURSUBDISK, not just zcat it onto the terminal |
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| 20:22.14 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: Run local, it's 'xterm'. Run bash->ssh->bash, it's 'linux' |
| 20:22.22 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16047 |
| 20:22.27 | hellyeah | what the hell is that |
| 20:22.29 | shortcircuit | sshd settings, maybe? |
| 20:22.45 | hellyeah | zcat boot-img.gz /dev/sdb i did this command |
| 20:22.47 | shortcircuit | Hm. |
| 20:22.51 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: more likely, your shell rc files on the remote machine |
| 20:22.54 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: modprobe snd-intel8x0 - no error? |
| 20:23.00 | jelly-home | hellyeah: you forgot the > |
| 20:23.00 | macrobat | hellyeah: are you pasting a binary file? why? |
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| 20:23.12 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 20:23.20 | hellyeah | zcat boot-img.gz > /dev/sdb i did this command |
| 20:23.23 | hellyeah | i did this |
| 20:23.28 | hellyeah | i forgot to write > |
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| 20:23.48 | jelly-home | hellyeah: be _very_ careful that /dev/sdb is your usb key, that command _will_ destroy data on that device |
| 20:24.02 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: okay, now there are no soundcards in /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:24.04 | hellyeah | yeah i know |
| 20:24.08 | hellyeah | my usb is empty |
| 20:24.21 | hellyeah | was* |
| 20:24.32 | hellyeah | i just want to install debian from usb |
| 20:24.39 | hellyeah | but how long does it take |
| 20:24.41 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: the ac97_codec gets loaded though. |
| 20:24.43 | hellyeah | 1 hour 2 hour |
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| 20:24.53 | xoveruk | abrotman: |
| 20:24.56 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile and /etc/bash.bashrc all seem not to write to TERM. |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | xoveruk: what? |
| 20:25.02 | xoveruk | abrotman: my write speed is 455 blocks per second |
| 20:25.10 | jelly-home | hellyeah: to write 512MB on a USB stick? Assume it write 1-7MB/s |
| 20:25.42 | xoveruk | abrotman: so that 227 megs a second, cannot be correct? |
| 20:25.42 | abrotman | xoveruk: is that bad ? |
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| 20:25.54 | cahoot | emacs-dwim: sorry I'm out of ideas |
| 20:25.55 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: does stty -a in the local bash, before ssh, report correct term size? |
| 20:26.03 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: Yes. |
| 20:26.06 | hellyeah | 6 hours |
| 20:26.08 | hellyeah | ? |
| 20:26.24 | emacs-dwim | cahoot: thanks. |
| 20:26.28 | shortcircuit | 126x37, atm. |
| 20:26.28 | hellyeah | 1.7 mb on a sec ? |
| 20:26.29 | shortcircuit | er. |
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| 20:26.31 | shortcircuit | 136 |
| 20:26.55 | jelly-home | hellyeah: what? Are you able to divide by 1 and convert seconds to minutes, and minutes to hours? |
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| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: that seems reasonable |
| 20:27.21 | hellyeah | i didnt calculate :D |
| 20:27.26 | hellyeah | it is just a guess |
| 20:27.35 | groton | I have some packages kept back (notably gnome-session and grub): how to install those? Why are they "kept back"? I am using Debian Testing distro |
| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | hellyeah: it's a bad guess. |
| 20:27.38 | hellyeah | i calculate it in a 2 second |
| 20:27.50 | hellyeah | two second guess :D |
| 20:27.55 | xoveruk | i did a file copy to an external fisk and now my terminal is frozen. thats the issue i am having with performance abrotman |
| 20:28.32 | jelly-home | hellyeah: I guess you're bad with numbers, 512 seconds is a bit less than 10 minutes |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | xoveruk: how big was the file |
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| 20:28.57 | xoveruk | 700mg |
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| 20:29.11 | abrotman | so it takes awhile .. be patient |
| 20:29.14 | hellyeah | it didnt finish 1 hours ? what do you say about that :D:D:D |
| 20:29.32 | xoveruk | am i calculating this correctly? |
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| 20:29.43 | xoveruk | 455 x 512 / 1024 = megs per second write speed? |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: and after ssh, term size doesn't keep? |
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| 20:32.27 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: Oh, God, I'm such a moron. |
| 20:32.47 | jelly-home | hellyeah: if you want to see the progress, you can use dd_rescue or dd instead of zcat. gunzip the image, then do eg. dd_rescue -b 1M boot.img /dev/sdb |
| 20:32.48 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: It's a prgmr.com node. I'd forgotten I was still connected through the console login. |
| 20:33.37 | jelly-home | shortcircuit: good, are you happy with their service? :-) |
| 20:33.39 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: prgmr uses pubkey-auth'd ssh to their manager, whereafter you can open the local console in your ssh session. The local console, obviously, would have a 'linux' termtype, and the system doesn't pass termtype onward. |
| 20:33.46 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: Don't know yet. |
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| 20:34.52 | scratchme | jelly-home: /join #proxmoxve |
| 20:34.54 | scratchme | er |
| 20:34.57 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: I've got some severe resource constraints with my Linode; I need more RAM for memcached, and prgmr RAM is a lot cheaper-per-MB. Without the RAM, I'm also I/O bound for the database. I'm not CPU-bound at all. |
| 20:35.57 | shortcircuit | I'm hoping that, even though I'm going from 4-proc to 1-proc, the additional RAM will be enough to give me breathing room for a while. I don't know if going from four-core to one-core will put me CPU-bound, though. |
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| 20:36.25 | shortcircuit | However, I liked what I read of their policies and SLAs, so that's why I'm giving them a try. |
| 20:36.44 | jelly-home | also, they have ascii art on the homepage. |
| 20:36.48 | shortcircuit | Heh |
| 20:37.17 | micols | anybody know how to permanently lock an alsa mixer control to a specific volume? |
| 20:37.31 | jelly-home | (well, it's the default figlet font, but better than many other providers!) |
| 20:37.46 | micols | i.e. make it readonly |
| 20:38.05 | jelly-home | micols: perhaps #alsa would know |
| 20:38.23 | shortcircuit | jelly-home: Thanks for your patience and help. Sorry I was an idiot. :) |
| 20:38.26 | shortcircuit | waves |
| 20:38.30 | jelly-home | np |
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| 20:38.51 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:39.00 | hellyeah | jelly-home, |
| 20:39.06 | hellyeah | zcat command works great |
| 20:39.14 | jelly-home | hellyeah: ORLY |
| 20:39.15 | hellyeah | i downloaded debian iso 648 mb |
| 20:39.28 | hellyeah | and i put into mnt folder |
| 20:39.32 | hellyeah | thats okey |
| 20:39.42 | jelly-home | I have no idea. |
| 20:39.49 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 20:40.24 | jelly-home | hellyeah: please use question marks (?) when asking a question, and do try writing out complete thoughts before pressing enter. |
| 20:40.46 | hellyeah | okey i will be careful |
| 20:40.46 | jelly-home | you're very hard to read and my patience is rather thin |
| 20:40.54 | hellyeah | by the way this works like that |
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| 20:42.06 | balazsbela | I have no xorg.conf |
| 20:42.09 | balazsbela | with xorg 7.5 |
| 20:42.12 | balazsbela | is this normal ? |
| 20:42.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:42.20 | balazsbela | I'm trying to turn kde effects on |
| 20:42.24 | balazsbela | I need compositing |
| 20:42.31 | balazsbela | direct rendering is enabled |
| 20:42.33 | jelly-home | balazsbela: yes. /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
| 20:42.37 | NoReflex | why does debian insist on having a mta installed - i removed exim4 it install dma, i removed dma it installed xmail, i removed xmail it installed ssmtp... |
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| 20:43.04 | abrotman | NoReflex: that's not the system sends you important messages |
| 20:43.05 | jelly-home | NoReflex: you installed a package that depends on mail-transfer-agent? |
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| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | like, cron |
| 20:43.29 | lxsameer | how can i make grub2 to make a config file from my hard dist |
| 20:43.32 | lxsameer | *disk |
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| 20:44.25 | abrotman | lxsameer: it already has one ? |
| 20:45.03 | NoReflex | jelly-home: i tried to uninstall all the programs which I won't use ... I removed ekiga, epiphany, totem, transmission and this removed gnome and gnome-desktop environment...which in turn removed other packages like gcalctool(WHY) and now I'm trying to get rid of the remaining programs I won't use and install the ones i need - like Chromium-browser... |
| 20:45.05 | jelly-home | lxsameer: which config file, /boot/grub/grub.cfg, /etc/default/grub, or something else? |
| 20:45.19 | lxsameer | abrotman: NO i have upgrade from lenny to testing and there is no grub.cfg |
| 20:45.34 | lxsameer | jelly-home: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 20:45.43 | jelly-home | lxsameer: update-grub |
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| 20:47.03 | lxsameer | jelly-home: it seems m grub2 was now working i installed it from repo but still 0.97 booted |
| 20:47.19 | jelly-home | NoReflex: gnome-desktop is a metapackage. If you installed that one (or chose it in tasksel), removing it would automatically mark all its dependencies for removal; that is, all the packages it brought. |
| 20:48.00 | NoReflex | jelly-home: any idea if I could use a PPA from launchpad in debian? I want to install chromium-browser... |
| 20:48.06 | jelly-home | lxsameer: that's normal, and grub-pc package should have told you about that when you installed it |
| 20:48.21 | lxsameer | jelly-home: no not really |
| 20:48.42 | lxsameer | jelly-home: does update-grub install grub2 |
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| 20:49.06 | jelly-home | NoReflex: use packages built for your distro, any divergence may result in pain |
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| 20:49.45 | jelly-home | NoReflex: so if a PPA repo has packages build for squeeze, they might work. |
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| 20:50.22 | jelly-home | NoReflex: if it has packages built for karmic, you're on your own and this channel won't help you clean the mess should it happen |
| 20:50.43 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I don't think it does...now I'm struggling with w3m to find packages on google :D |
| 20:51.06 | jelly-home | NoReflex: there's a perfectly good iceweasel in Debian. |
| 20:51.40 | jelly-home | (also, you may like elinks or links2 better than w3m) |
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| 20:52.03 | jelly-home | lxsameer: no. aptitude install grub-pc installs grub2. |
| 20:52.24 | NoReflex | jelly-home: removed that as well .... |
| 20:52.26 | jelly-home | lxsameer: a lenny->squeeze might or might not install it, I don't know. |
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| 20:54.20 | lxsameer | jelly-home: i do apt-get install grub2 but it seems grub2 not installed because grub 1 still boots |
| 20:54.39 | jelly-home | who said "apt-get install grub2"? |
| 20:56.27 | lxsameer | jelly-home: i do that before you said any thing to me |
| 20:56.47 | magyar | hi all, i', using running on squeeze and have an issue with iceweasel not able to open pdf-s etc from download manager, I have to browse to my "Download" folder and open from there. Is Iceweasel 3.5.X broken on KDE 4.3? |
| 20:56.48 | NoReflex | jelly-home: the page at launchpad doesn't seem to have a repo for debian :( anyone know where I could get a deb or repo for chromium-browser for debian? |
| 20:57.30 | adb | google it |
| 20:57.45 | NoReflex | adb: googling is kinda hard in w3m :( |
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| 20:58.33 | adb | install iceweasel |
| 20:58.43 | jelly-home | he just removed it! |
| 20:58.47 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 20:58.52 | adb | heh |
| 20:59.09 | jelly-home | NoReflex: you have a level 8 problem |
| 20:59.18 | jelly-home | layer 8, sorry |
| 20:59.40 | jjuran | heh |
| 20:59.49 | NoReflex | jelly-home: what's that? does refer to the (l)user ... like in the OSI model? |
| 21:00.00 | jelly-home | NoReflex: exaclty |
| 21:00.18 | NoReflex | nice :) |
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| 21:04.44 | NoReflex | I found debs provided by google ... but those are for Chrome ... I'm looking for Chromium |
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| 21:07.02 | NoReflex | nobody here uses Chromium? not even for testing? |
| 21:07.10 | jelly-home | dpkg: dbugs 520324 |
| 21:07.16 | dpkg | #520324:W[wnpp] ITP: chromium-browser -- A web browser developed by Google based on the WebKit engine (); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:42:02 UTC [537228] |
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| 21:10.06 | NoReflex | jelly-home: that page ends in : Can we have unofficial packages while waiting for the official upload? ... |
| 21:10.22 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 21:13.45 | jelly-home | NoReflex: since there is mention of that chromium-daily ppa, and a git repo of that chromium-team, I guess you could get the source and try building the binaries by yourself |
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| 21:16.02 | NoReflex | got the debs for Google Chrome... |
| 21:16.21 | titan8990 | NoReflex: just use the proprietary chrome beta binaries, they work fine |
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| 21:22.41 | Ssmario2 | Hi, i've connected a 19" LCD monitor to my laptop, how can i get it to work ? Thanks (debian 5.0.4 / i915 driver / xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/389857/ ) |
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| 21:23.10 | cahoot | Ssmario2: listed in xrandr -q? |
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| 21:24.07 | cahoot | Ssmario2: something like xrandr --output VGA --auto |
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| 21:24.46 | Ssmario2 | cahoot: yes |
| 21:25.06 | weasel00 | could someone point me to a group that could assist in troubleshooting why php-ssh2 wont install on debain lenny or squeeze? |
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| 21:27.35 | Caelum | my exim mainlog says it delivered mail for me, but when I run 'mail' as the user it says I have no mail |
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| 21:28.09 | Ssmario2 | cahoot: thanks :) it worked, is there any way i can get the two monitors displaying different things ? |
| 21:28.19 | Caelum | oh, because I'm using maildir |
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| 21:31.04 | 5EXAAG0VF | Hello everyone |
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| 21:31.37 | 5EXAAG0VF | Can anyone tell if i really need to download 31 CDs to install Debian? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:32.16 | uebera|| | You don't need to. :) |
| 21:32.18 | slappy | 5EXAA: just get the first DVD |
| 21:32.33 | uebera|| | For a minimum install not even this. |
| 21:33.03 | slappy | The first DVD has a nice collection of software to start out. |
| 21:33.07 | zobel | Nuc134rB0t: if you have internet connection after installing, it should be enough to download the netinstall iso |
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| 21:33.21 | Nuc134rB0t | But it is said that the DVD might have so many packeges i wont use |
| 21:33.45 | Nuc134rB0t | the CD 1 work fine enough then right? |
| 21:33.52 | zobel | Nuc134rB0t: the netinst iso only contains failed needed to do the installation |
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| 21:34.04 | slappy | That is true. You could just get the first CD. |
| 21:34.10 | zobel | rest is downloaded from the internet |
| 21:34.54 | Nuc134rB0t | zobel, i have used that one, but it doesnt have graphic interface its just terminal |
| 21:35.29 | zobel | after installation or during. |
| 21:35.42 | zobel | if during, you did something wrong. |
| 21:36.24 | Nuc134rB0t | zobel, after |
| 21:36.25 | slappy | I say put it on a flash drive and boot of it to install. |
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| 21:36.25 | zobel | Nuc134rB0t: apt-get install kde |
| 21:36.30 | zobel | or gnome |
| 21:36.30 | slappy | I say put it on a flash drive and boot of it to install. Save your CDs and DVDs |
| 21:37.15 | Nuc134rB0t | zobel, oh kk, well i didnt think of that since i dont actually need it where i installed it |
| 21:37.39 | Nuc134rB0t | but i do want a graphic interface now on my laptop |
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| 21:37.51 | k23z__ | (hope this is not offtopic) what markup does google code use ? and where can I render some google code markup ? |
| 21:37.54 | scratchme | jelly-home: Do you know a really good guide for debian and multipath-tools ? |
| 21:38.04 | Nuc134rB0t | slappy, sounds like a better option |
| 21:38.59 | scratchme | jelly-home: Ideally something current to lenny. I just read that for example the /block/xxx is now --device=/dev/xxx |
| 21:39.01 | Nuc134rB0t | thanks, uebera||, slappy and zobel |
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| 21:40.17 | jelly-home | scratchme: nope, sorry, I only use multipath with supported drivers and OS from our vendors (and the OS is always RHEL) |
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| 21:40.50 | scratchme | jelly-home: do you personally think multipath is easier to setup in RHEL? |
| 21:41.07 | Rusty1_olpc | !why aptitude |
| 21:41.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 21:42.15 | jelly-home | scratchme: it's pretty much the same thing, you need to configure it correctly and then it's basically "just works" |
| 21:42.46 | scratchme | jelly-home: the secret sauce appears to be the multipath.conf, is that right? |
| 21:43.11 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 21:43.50 | scratchme | jelly-home: okay, thanks. I'll play around with it a bit. |
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| 21:45.11 | jelly-home | scratchme: basically, you blacklist all the devices, whitelist only those that _are_ mulitpathed, and choose the right path_checker |
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| 21:45.57 | HaPe8 | hi |
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| 21:48.39 | RichiH | is it normal that grub-robe takes a bit more than 10 minutes at 100% cpu on a thinkpad x31? i really like grub2, but i _hate_ the long wait every time i install or remove a kernel |
| 21:49.03 | jelly-home | RichiH: what is it doing? |
| 21:49.23 | RichiH | probing stuff |
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| 21:49.38 | jelly-home | I mean, what is it _doing_ |
| 21:49.52 | jelly-home | dpkg: probe RichiH |
| 21:49.52 | dpkg | jelly-home: wish i knew |
| 21:49.54 | RichiH | jelly-home: presumably, it is writing the new grub.conf |
| 21:50.08 | jelly-home | RichiH: I mean, strace it and see what it's really doing |
| 21:50.17 | RichiH | ah :) |
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| 21:54.07 | RichiH | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1825826 |
| 21:54.49 | LinkRage | how do I the block device number(partition) e.g. /dev/sda14 for the / (root) mounted in - `mount` outputs rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) - that's not useful info to me |
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| 21:55.05 | LinkRage | how do i determine the block device number* |
| 21:55.39 | jelly-home | RichiH: it's... reading the whole of hda6, 4096b at a time? |
| 21:56.44 | RichiH | why would it read /? |
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| 21:56.49 | RichiH | especially when i have a /boot |
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| 21:56.58 | RichiH | as in another partition |
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| 21:57.31 | jelly-home | RichiH: which process was that exactly? os-prober? |
| 21:59.10 | jelly-home | grub-probe itself? Whatever it's doing, 10 minutes is excessive, I'd check the bts |
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| 22:00.39 | RichiH | grub-probe |
| 22:00.48 | RichiH | jelyah, will do |
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| 22:11.00 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 22:11.12 | jammi | hi, so what's the situation about rtl8168d-1.fw and rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 22:12.15 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with xorg problem, full hd monitor and debian testing --> |
| 22:12.21 | BerMeJo | http://pastebin.com/04q7cP4x |
| 22:12.34 | gothenburg | good night |
| 22:12.46 | jammi | made a distupgrade to sid and it complains about those, however googling yielded no solution |
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| 22:13.27 | dury | I've just installed moodle... and I want to know where is its folder located |
| 22:13.47 | jammi | so do I have to just pray the boxes affected stay up until the issue is resolved by itself? |
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| 22:18.49 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with xorg problem, full hd monitor and debian testing --> http://pastebin.com/04q7cP4x |
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| 22:23.00 | jelly-home | !tell jammi about rtl8168d |
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| 22:39.03 | Number5 | hi guys, what's the software to get the widgets displayed on my desktop like cpu usage, RAM, HD disk etc.. |
| 22:41.22 | jelly-home | Number5: there are tens of apps to show that data, depending on the desktop environment used or not |
| 22:41.35 | jelly-home | Number5: you could try conky |
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| 22:42.36 | abrotman | i told him about gdesklets hours ago |
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| 22:45.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: he needs more input |
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| 22:47.28 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 22:49.24 | Number5 | jelly-home, sorry wasn't notifed by your message. I run xfce4, debian-lenny. Is conky a good one for my system? |
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| 22:50.16 | Number5 | abrotman, sorry, I don't know if you have some kids, but it's hard to keep with the pc for 2 hours straight |
| 22:51.02 | Number5 | when three kids screaming for their attention |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | Number5: i told oyu like a minute after you asked |
| 22:51.53 | Number5 | abrotman, well I'm really sorry, but I do appreciate your help. I just can't find your message... |
| 22:53.03 | abrotman | it was hours ago .. right after you joined .. |
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| 22:54.41 | Number5 | abrotman, thnx man, once again sorry I didn't noticed, or I just forgot because of the kids. Anyway, I'll try conky. |
| 22:55.30 | weasel00 | anyone have success installing php-ssh2 on lenny or squeeze? |
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| 22:57.19 | cheako | Some one had inquired about the Magic Mouse's battery. 3 days now continually connected and on, still no dead battery. |
| 22:57.22 | cheako | These are the Energizer AA alkaline batterys the Mouse came with. |
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| 22:58.32 | MyWay | hello :) |
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| 22:58.53 | MyWay | how can i remove sudo access to one user? |
| 22:59.18 | petemc | MyWay: visudo , remove the entry for them |
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| 23:02.21 | MyWay | Sorry, user anywhere is not allowed to execute... thank you petemc :) |
| 23:02.40 | jelly-home | Number5: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client |
| 23:03.04 | jelly-home | !ops Sm0ke0ut weird private messages |
| 23:03.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: Sm0ke0ut weird private messages |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | some what? |
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| 23:03.37 | dvs | define "weird" |
| 23:03.49 | jelly-home | "written in dutch" |
| 23:04.12 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> Number5: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client -Sm0ke0ut- U heeft niet voldoende rechten om dit te doen. |
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| 23:04.44 | algui91 | hi |
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| 23:05.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client |
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| 23:05.46 | abrotman | Number5: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client |
| 23:05.54 | abrotman | lovely ... |
| 23:06.27 | jelly-home | have you succeeded? |
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| 23:07.09 | abrotman | nerp |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client |
| 23:08.15 | jelly-home | I'd kick him on the grounds of using mIRC |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | he |
| 23:08.21 | abrotman | h |
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| 23:23.07 | xulf | hello |
| 23:23.09 | xulf | All my ram and swap space is being used. Im having trouble identifying what process is doing this. How can I do this easily? |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: use /lastlog or a similar backlog feature of oyur irc client |
| 23:24.36 | nooper | `top`. press 'O' to sort |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | not doing it ... |
| 23:24.45 | nooper | by vm, or swap |
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| 23:25.51 | Sm0ke0ut | jelly-home; sorry, I was debuging someone else mIRC script and didn't think of the fact that it was working globally. It's removed anyway |
| 23:26.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: see, fixed! |
| 23:26.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: should i still ban him for using mirc ? |
| 23:26.43 | jelly-home | I said kick, not ban |
| 23:27.44 | icebrain | mirc factoid links to an outdated page:| |
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| 23:28.32 | jelly-home | icebrain: factoids may be fixed by anyone |
| 23:28.43 | jelly-home | dpkg: factinfo mirc |
| 23:28.43 | dpkg | mirc -- last modified at Thu Oct 13 13:28:58 2005 by fireba11!n=Miranda@145.253.117.242; it has been requested 23 times, last by icebrain, 1m 43s ago. |
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| 23:29.10 | abrotman | icebrain: how is it outdated ? |
| 23:29.19 | jelly-home | icebrain: you can use /msg dpkg mirc =~ s/foo/bar/ to replace foo with bar |
| 23:29.23 | icebrain | abrotman: "This page is maintained for historical reasons only. The current version of mIRC (6.2 as of Oct 2006) has no known exploits. You are encouraged to upgrade to this version if you haven't already." |
| 23:29.36 | abrotman | icebrain: if they're running that old version .. they're still vulnerable |
| 23:29.45 | icebrain | jelly-home: don't know or care enough about mirc to do it:| |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | then why mention it? |
| 23:30.35 | icebrain | someone who do knows should update it. |
| 23:31.25 | jelly-home | if you know it's outdated, you know more than me about it! |
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| 23:32.03 | abrotman | you cared enough to invoke it .. i've been here for a bit, never invoked it |
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| 23:34.11 | Cappy | folks, im having some drama, i've just downloaded the netinst iso and need to load it up on a USB flash drive to install on a laptop with no optical drive. i'm using unetbootin, but i get an error to say it can't mount the CD-ROm... probably because there isnt one in the machine |
| 23:34.17 | NoReflex | hey guys! what happened to ifconfig and iwconfig in testing? |
| 23:34.29 | Cappy | i only have a spare windows machine to prepare the USB key |
| 23:34.40 | Selveste1__ | Hey out there, I have 3 debian lenny servers, I have installed Samba 3.2.5 on all of them slapd on all of them, no errors and fine auth. I then have configured the 3 server identical and tried to join the windows XP Pro client to all 3 domains, and it joins the domain fine, but on 2 out of 3 it cant copy my romaing profiles |
| 23:34.55 | Selveste1__ | * no errors in Samba log |
| 23:36.15 | itsx | hi folks:) could you please recommend me some steps to operate a usb wifi card device under debian? |
| 23:36.37 | abrotman | depends on the device in question |
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| 23:37.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Cappy about usb install |
| 23:38.01 | Akuw | anybody here know how to see a encrypted volumen with freeOTFE on linux? |
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| 23:38.52 | itsx | abrotman: its TP-LINK TL-WN322G (usb wifi ) |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | !tell itsx about TL-WN322G |
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| 23:40.42 | itsx | abrotman: uh thx :) |
| 23:41.07 | Cappy | jpinx-eeepc, i've read the instal manual, it just says to use DD for windows, but im not having any luck with that either |
| 23:41.43 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with problems with nv drivers and xorg --> http://pastebin.com/BwDjXXzU |
| 23:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: I sympathise - I've had to try different USB device to make it work in the past |
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| 23:43.27 | Cappy | jpinx-eeepc, i've used the same usb device to install a dozen different distros before... |
| 23:44.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: just keep doing things - like reformat the usb device in windows and then DD again |
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| 23:51.06 | BerMeJo | it's easy downgrade from sid to testing ? |
| 23:51.13 | BerMeJo | can i have system problems? |
| 23:51.29 | themill | dpkg: tell BerMeJo about downgrade |
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| 23:52.18 | BerMeJo | thanks themill |
| 23:53.19 | macrobat | BerMeJo: i dont know if nv supports large resolutions |
| 23:54.48 | BerMeJo | i try to install non free nvidia drivers but i get --> http://pastebin.com/0wg4AwPj |
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| 23:56.28 | BerMeJo | could be fixed if i upgrade to sid ? |
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| 23:59.03 | abrotman | BerMeJo: please don't do that |
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