| 00:00.11 | BerMeJo | :( i'm getting crazy, i don't know how to set driver, vesa not take large resolution, no nv, no nvidia .... |
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| 00:01.39 | Cappy | do i need the .img or the .iso for a usb install? |
| 00:02.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: iirc it's the .iso |
| 00:02.22 | Cappy | hrmm ok |
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| 00:02.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: the .iso of the usb sized installer |
| 00:02.43 | Cappy | anyone ever successfully installed using unetbootin? |
| 00:03.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: obviously yes - but I have never bothered with it myself |
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| 00:04.00 | rpaulson | hello |
| 00:04.16 | rpaulson | running debian testing, with software raid 1 and ext4 on / |
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| 00:04.39 | rpaulson | is there some ugly catch which makes the raid resync once a day? |
| 00:05.08 | rpaulson | how can I avoid it? |
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| 00:05.33 | Cappy | where do i get the usb image? im not finding it on any mirrors |
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| 00:06.55 | rpaulson | at this pace, debian will likely kill my new disks within months :P |
| 00:08.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Cappy: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 00:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that wasn't what he meant |
| 00:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 00:13.36 | BerMeJo | how can i take nvidia non-free drivers from inestable in testing ? |
| 00:14.23 | RichiH | !unstable |
| 00:14.23 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 00:14.53 | macrobat | BerMeJo: this might help a bit http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 00:15.22 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: fwiw the links from the page I referred go to the appropriate architecture images |
| 00:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he wanted to know how to get them on a stick |
| 00:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. the section on the ig is confusing... wish I'd have written something better when I played around with it |
| 00:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but wouldn't have known whom to send it to :) |
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| 00:17.57 | rpaulson | hm.. it seems it's a cron job from mdadm which is checking the raid every day |
| 00:18.10 | rpaulson | now what's the point of a raid 1 if you can't trust it |
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| 00:18.55 | mentor | rpaulson: It survives failing. |
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| 00:19.53 | rpaulson | mentor: seems to me if it needs to "check to make sure everything's ok" once a day, it's not really safe |
| 00:21.43 | rpaulson | haha, it actually does this once every month |
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| 00:22.51 | rpaulson | so much for raid 1 |
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| 00:23.43 | johni | rpaulson, during the check did you notice poor performance from your system? |
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| 00:24.00 | rpaulson | johni: to say the least |
| 00:24.33 | rpaulson | [==>..................] check = 11.5% (112748224/976759936) finish=184.9min speed=77850K/sec |
| 00:24.49 | johni | rpaulson, that is not normal, I had raid1 with debian etch and it was very smooth |
| 00:24.51 | rpaulson | no worries though, mdadm will only freeze your system for another 184.9 minutes :) |
| 00:25.36 | johni | rpaulson, did not configure a raid in maybe 2 years, are you sure you did a correct installation |
| 00:25.39 | rpaulson | johni: still, why do one need to check that raid 1 actually works? |
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| 00:26.23 | rpaulson | johni: yes I'm sure |
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| 00:26.32 | mentor | rpaulson: Seriously, you're going to set up resilient data storage and never test it? |
| 00:27.00 | mentor | rpaulson: The fact that things fail is the reason you set up the RAID in the first palce. |
| 00:27.14 | mentor | Honestly. |
| 00:27.21 | BerMeJo | how can i take exclusively nvidia-driver from sid ? |
| 00:27.22 | rpaulson | mentor: I don't need to test it once a month. the point of raid 1 is "copy every write to both devices" done. |
| 00:27.44 | johni | rpaulson, try with ext3 see if you have the same problems. |
| 00:27.57 | rpaulson | johni: yeah, wish I didn't choose ext4 lol |
| 00:28.09 | rpaulson | johni: new and fancy turned out to be new and slow :P |
| 00:28.13 | mentor | rpaulson: Yes, and nothing could ever go wrong with that. |
| 00:28.15 | johni | rpaulson, so this check happens every day? |
| 00:28.17 | itsx | i wonder why my /etc/init.d/networking restart script doesnt bring www to work, when ifdown eht0; ifup eth0 is OK ... is it a relatively common bahavior ? |
| 00:28.24 | mentor | once a month |
| 00:28.49 | johni | mentor, why don;t you change the cron job to run once every two, three months? |
| 00:29.03 | rpaulson | mentor: if something goes wrong, a rebuild is triggered |
| 00:29.08 | johni | rpaulson, , why don;t you change the cron job to run once every two, three months? |
| 00:29.10 | rpaulson | mentor: without checking the entire array |
| 00:29.45 | mentor | What grade of hard drives are you using? |
| 00:30.02 | rpaulson | mentor: pardon? |
| 00:30.45 | mentor | Is it the kind that are tested to maximise MTBF or the type that they sell in shops which are designed to have the largest number on their box? |
| 00:31.30 | mentor | Anyway, assuming things work is bad, testing is good. |
| 00:31.43 | rpaulson | mentor: that doesn't matter. with raid 1 I'm assured that if not both drives fail simultaneously, I have a copy of my data |
| 00:33.39 | rpaulson | "RAID 1 mirrors the contents of the disks, making a form of 1:1 ratio realtime backup. The contents of each disk in the array are identical to that of every other disk in the array. A RAID 1 array requires a minimum of two drives." |
| 00:33.43 | rpaulson | from wikipedia |
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| 00:34.54 | rpaulson | so let's say you write 1 byte to the md device, it gets written to both devices |
| 00:35.19 | rpaulson | you shouldn't need to check that you wrote it to both devices after you wrote it.. |
| 00:35.54 | rpaulson | or am I misunderstanding something? |
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| 00:36.16 | \amethyst | what happens of one of the disks or cables etc had an undetected transient error and a couple of bits got set differently on two different drives |
| 00:36.23 | \amethyst | s/of one/if one/ |
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| 00:36.47 | \amethyst | not failure, but a temporary error |
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| 00:37.24 | hellyeah | hey |
| 00:37.34 | hellyeah | i have very serious problem !!! |
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| 00:38.07 | hellyeah | i installed windows 7 then i installed debian and grub2 and i didnt see windows7 os on grub |
| 00:38.11 | hellyeah | why is that |
| 00:38.23 | Vmanz | did u add it |
| 00:38.23 | Vmanz | :P |
| 00:38.26 | rpaulson | \amethyst: isn't that the point of checksums? so that when you send data to the disk, it's checked to see if it's been changed on the way? |
| 00:38.58 | hellyeah | hey help |
| 00:39.10 | nervousTwitch | that all goes to grub.conf now am i correct? |
| 00:39.18 | hellyeah | Vmanz i suppose grub automatically add all os |
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| 00:40.10 | rpaulson | hellyeah: debian grub2 script adds other os'es yes |
| 00:40.18 | rpaulson | hellyeah: you could try to run update-grub again? |
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| 00:41.01 | simonrvn | hellyeah: aptitude install os-prober |
| 00:41.35 | hellyeah | i dont have grub.conf |
| 00:41.53 | hellyeah | os*prober |
| 00:41.57 | hellyeah | os*prober |
| 00:42.04 | simonrvn | grub2 puts it in /boot/grub ... |
| 00:42.23 | hellyeah | i have grub2 is there a way to fix that manually |
| 00:42.35 | simonrvn | os-prober not os*prober |
| 00:42.51 | rpaulson | hellyeah: I could check my old config for vista.. if that helps |
| 00:42.51 | nervousTwitch | how do you know you have grub 2? |
| 00:42.56 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 00:42.56 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
| 00:43.03 | frostschutz | rpaulson: extX filesystem also likes to do a fsck every 20 mounts or 180 days or something for no reason too... what's the point of that? ;) |
| 00:43.16 | simonrvn | hellyeah: it's called ls. try it some time |
| 00:43.26 | rpaulson | frostschutz: in case of power failure? |
| 00:43.44 | hellyeah | therre is nothing about windows7 |
| 00:43.59 | \amethyst | no, even if umounted cleanly each time, it still wants to fsck every N reboots or M days, whichever is less |
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| 00:44.25 | rpaulson | \amethyst: yeah.. maybe to check for bad blocks? |
| 00:44.27 | \amethyst | in case there is some kind of undetected filesystem error |
| 00:44.43 | \amethyst | I don't think it does a badblocks check |
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| 00:44.50 | \amethyst | just a normal fsck consistency check |
| 00:45.05 | rpaulson | then that's a bit strange.. |
| 00:45.13 | frostschutz | smartmontools can also make hard disks do smart self checks from time to time... |
| 00:45.15 | rpaulson | if no power failure has occured |
| 00:45.19 | \amethyst | because the fs might have bugs |
| 00:45.27 | rpaulson | and all writes were confirmed committed |
| 00:45.28 | hellyeah | nervousTwitch in the debian installer , debian installer ask me you install grub2 instead of grub-legacy |
| 00:45.32 | rpaulson | how can there be a problem? |
| 00:45.33 | simonrvn | hellyeah: you're not paying attention |
| 00:45.33 | hellyeah | i know from there |
| 00:45.36 | \amethyst | or something might have been written incorrectly and not detected |
| 00:46.07 | \amethyst | there could be bugs in the block layer |
| 00:46.11 | simonrvn | hellyeah: install os-prober. run update-grub if it didn't |
| 00:46.14 | \amethyst | or in the device driver |
| 00:46.25 | hellyeah | simonrvn what do you mean |
| 00:46.33 | simonrvn | what i said |
| 00:46.40 | \amethyst | And, the longer filesystem corruption is present, the worse it is likely to get |
| 00:46.41 | hellyeah | why grub2 determine windows7 , |
| 00:46.47 | hellyeah | debian is full of suprise |
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| 00:46.54 | hellyeah | not* |
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| 00:47.43 | rpaulson | \amethyst: that we can agree on, it's just annoying to see so many workarounds for something which should be possible to detect when it occured |
| 00:48.00 | simonrvn | hellyeah: os-prober does that work for you |
| 00:48.08 | \amethyst | rpaulson: most filesystems don't do end-to-end checksumming and verification |
| 00:48.17 | hellyeah | okey prober |
| 00:48.57 | frostschutz | rpaulson: there are lots of errors that can't be detected when they occur... for example a hard disk block going bad. if you never test the block you'll never notice. that's why some people like to run such tests from time to time just to be on the safe side... |
| 00:49.11 | \amethyst | rpaulson: lots of the steps are verified, but not all, and sometimes the passoff between steps isn't verified |
| 00:49.12 | rpaulson | \amethyst: ntfs,afaik,is never checked (by windows) unless there was an unclean shutdown? |
| 00:49.35 | \amethyst | rpaulson: no clue about Windows |
| 00:49.59 | rpaulson | clue about ntfs? |
| 00:50.24 | \amethyst | nope |
| 00:50.36 | rpaulson | I think bad blocks could be detected if the block was read after beeing written and not confirmed if not readable |
| 00:50.45 | \amethyst | rpaulson: but that isn't usually done |
| 00:50.53 | rpaulson | for some reason.. |
| 00:50.55 | \amethyst | rpaulson: because it reduces performance |
| 00:51.04 | \amethyst | rpaulson: every write turns into a write + a read |
| 00:51.33 | \amethyst | you have to wait for the disk to make at least one more complete revolution each write |
| 00:51.56 | rpaulson | yes of course :( |
| 00:52.19 | rpaulson | sick and tired of this old tech |
| 00:52.40 | rpaulson | full of uncertainties and inconcistensies |
| 00:53.18 | \amethyst | rpaulson: also, ext3 doesn't actually do a fs check when mounting an unclean fs |
| 00:53.23 | \amethyst | rpaulson: it just replays the log |
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| 00:54.05 | rpaulson | \amethyst: I guess it doesn't need to if you have turned on data=journal? |
| 00:54.26 | rpaulson | (overlooking possible problems with harddrive cache data reordering) |
| 00:54.56 | \amethyst | it does the same thing with data=ordered |
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| 00:55.12 | \amethyst | since a fsck couldn't tell you if the data is wrong, anyway |
| 00:55.17 | \amethyst | only if the metadata is wrong |
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| 00:55.51 | NoReflex | does anyone know what happened to the skype debian repo? it's not working anymore... |
| 00:55.55 | \amethyst | (and with data=writeback, if anyone uses that) |
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| 00:57.33 | rpaulson | \amethyst: ok |
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| 01:00.51 | hellyeah | hey |
| 01:01.00 | hellyeah | os-prober doesnt work |
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| 01:01.10 | hellyeah | grub2 doesnt defect windows7 |
| 01:02.01 | hellyeah | any help |
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| 01:13.28 | hellyeah | os-prober didnt help |
| 01:13.39 | hellyeah | any other suggestion |
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| 01:18.31 | Zbyshek | hellyeah: you have to add some rule for it... I've seen some howto for it |
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| 01:19.00 | hellyeah | Zbyshek can you say to me |
| 01:19.05 | hellyeah | if you remember that |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | hellyeah: what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:19.43 | hellyeah | abrotman |
| 01:20.09 | hellyeah | i had windows 7 and i installed debian squeeze 30 minutes ago with grub2 |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | and then you did what ? |
| 01:20.19 | hellyeah | not grub2 didnt detect windows7 |
| 01:20.34 | hellyeah | now* |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 01:20.53 | Zbyshek | hellyeah: don't know... just stop it somewhere... I don't have windows thus didn't care about it much |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | hellyeah: do NOT msg me |
| 01:21.56 | hellyeah | abrotman sorry |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | hellyeah: i will not respond in msg .. you can stop now |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | hellyeah: i installed osprober and grub2 .. my windows7 boots fine |
| 01:23.03 | hellyeah | i also install os-prober and grub2 didnt work for me why is that i dont understand |
| 01:23.10 | hellyeah | abrotman i stopped |
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| 01:23.55 | abrotman | i didn't have to do anything special .. |
| 01:25.01 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 01:25.49 | rpaulson | hellyeah: maybe a stupid question, but are you sure you haven't overwritten your windows with debian? |
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| 01:26.43 | abrotman | not a stupid question at all |
| 01:26.58 | hellyeah | rpaulson |
| 01:26.59 | hellyeah | no |
| 01:27.28 | hellyeah | i installed debian to free spaceon my hdd |
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| 01:28.28 | rpaulson | hellyeah: try fdisk -l /dev/hda or fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 01:29.47 | hellyeah | rpaulson okey |
| 01:29.51 | hellyeah | wait a sec |
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| 01:30.24 | rpaulson | hellyeah: just paste the last line |
| 01:31.02 | rpaulson | hellyeah: I meant the ones containing partitions |
| 01:31.49 | hellyeah | okey |
| 01:31.52 | hellyeah | rpaulson |
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| 01:34.24 | michaellawson | hi, can someone please tell me where kernel dump files are stored after a panic on lenny ? if they are stored at all |
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| 01:36.26 | DasEi | michaellawson: dir /var/log , kern.log, syslog, messages |
| 01:36.33 | DasEi | michaellawson: depends on how far kernel booted, though |
| 01:37.06 | michaellawson | hmm, looked in there, I think this crash is probably blocking all io ops, so no chance for a proper log |
| 01:37.29 | wols | michaellawson: what is your problem? |
| 01:38.02 | michaellawson | heh, an issue with a kernel module |
| 01:38.19 | michaellawson | calling nf_reinject on 64 bit results in an instance crash |
| 01:38.36 | michaellawson | however the same code works fine on 32 bit |
| 01:39.06 | wols | linux kernel doesn't have a dump file by default |
| 01:39.20 | BerMeJo | oh yes! i have it! |
| 01:39.48 | michaellawson | no |
| 01:39.52 | wols | BerMeJo: a dump file? |
| 01:40.12 | hayleyw | what the hell kernel version are you using? |
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| 01:40.38 | michaellawson | 2.6.32 |
| 01:41.13 | hayleyw | you should look into using the magic sysrq key, then. |
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| 01:41.21 | sepult | anyone's using rtai ? |
| 01:41.50 | sepult | i have a problem getting the rail_hal.ko module into the kernel |
| 01:42.01 | sepult | i mean rtai_hal.ko sorry |
| 01:44.38 | Skaperen | I'm having a problem with Ubuntu server edition ... but that's not the question for here ... what I want to ask here is: ... does this problem also exist in Debian ... I'll have to describe the problem of course ... |
| 01:44.42 | Skaperen | The problem is that in a LAN which has both IPv4 and IPv6 routable addresses, but has NO IPv6 connection to the internet, the resolver library is, by default, doing lookups of AAAA records before doing A records ... it should not do that unless "options inet6" is specified in /etc/resolv.conf ... the problem does NOT happen in Fedora or Slackware |
| 01:44.45 | sepult | i get an insmod error, telling me operation not permitted and CANNOT CREATE MAILBOX and CANNOT INIT MASTER TASK |
| 01:45.29 | Skaperen | If the problem is not in Debian, I'd like to switch to Debian ... but I don't want to unless I can verify |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | Skaperen: did you look at /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 01:46.09 | Skaperen | yes |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | Skaperen: i'd say that's pretty specific .. you'd do better just to try it .. i haven't heard of anyone having the issue, but testing is your best bet |
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| 01:47.47 | Skaperen | abrotman: well, it would be time consuming making the switch ... that's why I'm hoping to find someone with a somewhat similar setup who is already running Debian |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | i'm saying to try it in a VM |
| 01:48.29 | hayleyw | Skaperen, you mean, you're hoping to *not* find someone with that issue. which means debian doesnt have it, which means you'd be fine |
| 01:48.39 | Skaperen | the time consuming is the downloading ... bandwidth is too low for a fast install |
| 01:48.50 | hayleyw | which...to be redundant, means no one here would have an answer |
| 01:49.13 | Skaperen | I'm hoping to find someone with the network configuration ... and then have them do a tcpdump to verify the order of DNS queries |
| 01:49.26 | hayleyw | heh |
| 01:49.39 | Skaperen | if A is before AAAA ... good ... if AAAA is before A ... bad |
| 01:50.01 | nevyn | can someone remind me where the archive key is how to add it to apt? |
| 01:50.15 | Skaperen | I think someone at Ubuntu recompiled the resolver library with a patch to force inet6 mode |
| 01:50.31 | hayleyw | nevyn, depends which repository, obviously |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | !tell nevyn about apt-key asdf1234 |
| 01:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | asdf1234? |
| 01:52.15 | simonrvn | Skaperen: check your sysctl.conf (and the sysctl.conf.d) |
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| 01:52.50 | Skaperen | the test scenario is simple: using default /etc/resolv.conf and default /etc/nsswitch.conf ... have routable (not just link-local) IPv6 addresses configured ... and can do tcpdump port 53 to watch DNS queries happen |
| 01:53.23 | simonrvn | Skaperen: oops sysctl.d |
| 01:53.30 | nevyn | tnx |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | nevyn: is that what you were asking for ? |
| 01:54.08 | nevyn | abrotman: yeah if the key in question is on the keyserver that's a duh |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:55.09 | rfranknj | hey -- i see an alsa driver loaded in lsmod; i see my devices in alsamixer, vol all the way up; vlc detects alsa devices; no sound output though |
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| 01:55.21 | Skaperen | simonrvn: in sysctl.conf all is commented out ... which I presume means default behaviour ... the files in sysctl.d don't seem to have any IPv6 stuff |
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| 01:56.19 | Skaperen | I'm not really trying to fix Ubuntu anymore ... just trying to decide on its replacement |
| 01:56.39 | simonrvn | grep -v '^#' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf --> net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 # makes dual-stack OSes like linux have split stacks or whatever the term is) |
| 01:56.40 | hayleyw | rfranknj, does root user have sound? |
| 01:57.04 | Bastihase | acu^^ |
| 01:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rfranknj, mute! |
| 01:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell rfranknj -about alsa checklist |
| 01:58.03 | rfranknj | CutMeOwnThroat: wouldn't i see that in alsamixer |
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| 01:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but you only said the bars are up |
| 01:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | they can still be mute |
| 01:59.23 | Skaperen | simonrvn: and that will affect the order the resolver library sends AAAA and A queries? |
| 02:00.19 | rfranknj | oh god dammit |
| 02:00.20 | rfranknj | hahah |
| 02:00.23 | rfranknj | guess i'm retarded |
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| 02:04.15 | rfranknj | is there any way to make adobe flash player go through jack |
| 02:04.17 | Skaperen | simonrvn: is that the same as: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only |
| 02:05.04 | rfranknj | still not getting sound output through flash.. works in vlc tho |
| 02:05.50 | macrobat | rfranknj: jack and flash were enemies last i tried this summer |
| 02:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you could say flash doesn't do jack? |
| 02:06.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:14.43 | ScottG | If I cancel an aptitude installation is there something I should do to clean up anyting? |
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| 02:15.38 | abrotman | ScottG: depends which stage it was in |
| 02:15.58 | hayleyw | generally sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | wtf is sudo for ? |
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| 02:19.27 | funky | man sudo |
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| 02:19.53 | abrotman | wtf is man ? |
| 02:20.01 | funky | who the fuck is abrotman |
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| 02:21.22 | jelly-home | hayleyw: debian allows normal access to root, there's no need to say "sudo stuff" if something needs to be run as root |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | answer the other question! |
| 02:22.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: there were two other questions |
| 02:23.30 | jelly-home | one made by a smartass op, one by a user ignorant of the op's smartassness |
| 02:23.52 | jelly-home | which one did you want answered? |
| 02:24.12 | hayleyw | you guys are all just being stupid |
| 02:24.25 | hayleyw | relax. have a beer |
| 02:24.55 | rfranknj | is there a default alsa conf that is loaded somewhere |
| 02:25.05 | rfranknj | also, how do i configure pulseaudio to use a particular device |
| 02:25.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: expert install allows using sudo insted of root login |
| 02:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/login/access |
| 02:25.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyway. bbl :) |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: both! |
| 02:26.58 | rfranknj | can't figure out why pulseaudio does not output.. |
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| 02:28.50 | rfranknj | oh, shit was muted |
| 02:28.54 | rfranknj | why the hell would they mute it by default |
| 02:29.01 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: it's still an ubuntu idiom |
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| 02:29.58 | macrobat | rfranknj: so as not to scare the listener with full blast, like oss does |
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| 02:30.11 | hayleyw | jelly-home, that's smart. so i can say "login as root and then dpkg --configure -a" or i can say "sudo dpkg --configure -a". oh, my, god. i bow to your wisdom |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | now who's the smartass? :) |
| 02:31.21 | jelly-home | hayleyw: sudo may not be present and/or people may not know what it does... run "foo" as root |
| 02:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, both! |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | and it may also not be configured even if it is installed |
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| 02:32.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's the weirdest case |
| 02:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sususudido? |
| 02:32.38 | jelly-home | !sing sussudio |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: which case? where it's installed but not configured ? |
| 02:32.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes, why would anyone do that? |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think it's installed as part of the 'standard' task |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 02:33.55 | hayleyw | jesus. really? you're all really this bored? i was just trying to help the poor bastard |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | there's a way to get it installed without really trying .. i forget how ATM |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman | hayleyw: didn't stop you from commenting on our boredom ? :) |
| 02:34.14 | rfranknj | macrobat: lollo |
| 02:34.24 | rfranknj | flash through pulse is a pain |
| 02:34.37 | rfranknj | do i have to restart anything so ~/.asoundrc is loaded |
| 02:34.53 | hayleyw | abrotman, you all jumped on me, not the other way around |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | actually .. i just asked what sudo was there for .. the rest was not my fault! |
| 02:35.41 | hayleyw | :P |
| 02:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see much jumping on you either... |
| 02:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... we could do it, so you note the difference |
| 02:36.58 | jelly-home | blames abrotman for starting it |
| 02:37.04 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets solve it the usual way |
| 02:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blame canada |
| 02:38.00 | dpkg | blames poncha|work and canada for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 02:38.24 | nevyn | hates firmware being non-free |
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| 02:38.59 | macrobat | nevyn: me too, but i want the un-free firmware anyway |
| 02:40.07 | macrobat | some firmware was removed and now i have no internet on sid |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | macrobat: which device ? |
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| 02:42.04 | jelly-home | rtl8168d! |
| 02:42.32 | jelly-home | (just guessing) |
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| 02:43.15 | macrobat | full name is... |
| 02:43.36 | macrobat | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02) |
| 02:43.46 | nevyn | macrobat: I'm now scared to reboot my mythbackend because of rtl8168B |
| 02:43.48 | nevyn | yeah |
| 02:43.55 | nevyn | that's the one hurting me too |
| 02:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, close |
| 02:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but no cigar |
| 02:44.20 | rfranknj | Linux rfranknj.rutgers.edu 2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Mon Jan 18 20:06:44 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 02:44.20 | macrobat | there was a lengthy bugreport i didnt understand |
| 02:44.25 | rfranknj | woo |
| 02:44.29 | rfranknj | audio success |
| 02:44.38 | rfranknj | padevchooser is handy |
| 02:44.44 | nevyn | macrobat: install 2.6.32-3 |
| 02:45.04 | nevyn | apparently this fixes it. |
| 02:45.05 | macrobat | no kernels will install, i dont know why |
| 02:45.24 | nevyn | you don't have any ethernet to install them over? |
| 02:45.43 | nevyn | macrobat: reboot to a working kernel (like 2.6.26) |
| 02:46.05 | macrobat | i chroot in from either lenny or grml, wont work |
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| 02:46.20 | macrobat | i dont have the 2.6.26 installed |
| 02:46.49 | jelly-home | rfranknj: so you don't like Debian's kernels, huh? Ya think fedora kernels are teh shit, eh? |
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| 02:47.43 | macrobat | right now im not very fond of the kernel team |
| 02:48.13 | jelly-home | rfranknj: apparently you might have a point |
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| 02:48.49 | rfranknj | lols |
| 02:49.00 | rfranknj | actually i accidentally uname -a'd on my work machine, forgot i'm sshed in |
| 02:49.07 | jelly-home | macrobat: typically it's not a very good idea to uninstall the last known working kernel |
| 02:49.11 | macrobat | maybe i can just drop a kernel and initrd in /boot and not install the pkgs |
| 02:49.12 | jelly-home | rfranknj: riight |
| 02:49.12 | rfranknj | Linux rfranknj 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:49.18 | rfranknj | that's home machine |
| 02:49.25 | rfranknj | i was recently inspired to start using linux again when my windows RC expired |
| 02:49.35 | macrobat | jelly-home: 2.6.26 was never installed, this is sid |
| 02:49.49 | rfranknj | funny thing is i have win 7 64.. legal. but I have to reinstall and lose all my settings anyway because microsoft removed the ability to install windows on windows. |
| 02:50.05 | rfranknj | i am now running debian :] |
| 02:50.06 | jelly-home | macrobat: but you did have some kernel before .32 came along |
| 02:50.29 | rfranknj | just my own little way of giving microsoft the middle finger |
| 02:50.54 | jelly-home | macrobat: anyhow, what's wrong with chrooting and installing the newer one? |
| 02:51.17 | jelly-home | macrobat: also, you can copy and use the grml kernel too |
| 02:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said the m word |
| 02:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the w word |
| 02:53.59 | macrobat | jelly-home: i have a couple of 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 kernels, no internet if i boot those |
| 02:54.29 | rfranknj | what's a good tool to use to set the default gtk style, like the configurators in gnome? except something that preferably doesn't use gnome libs bc im using fluxbox? |
| 02:54.46 | macrobat | rfranknj: lxappearance |
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| 02:56.26 | schnitzel | hello :) |
| 02:56.46 | rfranknj | macrobat: awesome, thanks much |
| 02:57.09 | schnitzel | i would like some human instructions on how i can take the fedora dvd iso and put it to a usb disk, so that i dont have to buy a empty dvd to write it to |
| 02:57.26 | schnitzel | i am currently running ubuntu, and would like to install fedora on another computer |
| 02:57.30 | macrobat | trying to install a kernel while chrooted: http://paste.debian.net/62870/ |
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| 02:57.52 | macrobat | schnitzel: try #fedora |
| 02:57.57 | schnitzel | and ive tried #ubuntu, and they sent me to #fedora, and they sent me back to #ubuntu :( |
| 02:58.03 | jelly-home | schnitzel: you might want to ask in a fedora-related channel, we can only give inhumane suggestions |
| 02:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | schnitzel, so you came to #debian to find out how this could best be done with gentoo? |
| 02:58.17 | andrew1618 | I'm doing an install from a flash drive, does current = stable? |
| 02:58.21 | jelly-home | !unetbootin |
| 02:58.21 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
| 02:58.37 | schnitzel | and unetbootin dosent work for the dvd #fedora said :( |
| 02:58.54 | schnitzel | i also tried dd, but that wouldnt boot |
| 02:59.04 | macrobat | schnitzel: try their livecd |
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| 02:59.23 | jelly-home | schnitzel: don't be a cheapskate, waste a dvd medium. |
| 02:59.37 | macrobat | i bet they have a wiki and a forum |
| 02:59.42 | schnitzel | im kinda forced to be a cheapskate now |
| 02:59.47 | schnitzel | i live in iceland |
| 02:59.53 | macrobat | :) |
| 02:59.54 | schnitzel | were bankrupt so badly... |
| 03:00.15 | jelly-home | so bankrupt you're forced tu use fedora, eh |
| 03:00.25 | schnitzel | yes, lol |
| 03:00.30 | schnitzel | cant afford window :p |
| 03:00.34 | schnitzel | winblows* |
| 03:00.35 | jelly-home | or debian |
| 03:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be cold... |
| 03:00.46 | schnitzel | nah, not that cold |
| 03:00.49 | macrobat | yes, i recommend debian |
| 03:00.51 | schnitzel | tho its snowing |
| 03:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | without windows? |
| 03:00.57 | schnitzel | lol! |
| 03:01.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: wind blows |
| 03:01.20 | schnitzel | ill give debian a try after i try fedora |
| 03:01.28 | schnitzel | been using linux for a month now and really like it |
| 03:01.36 | schnitzel | having trouble choosing a distro tho |
| 03:01.42 | jelly-home | it must be Sunday over there |
| 03:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I live close to Chicago... look who you're telling that |
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| 03:01.52 | jimi_hendrix | my computer will not play sound, what do i do |
| 03:02.00 | jimi_hendrix | (on sid) |
| 03:02.08 | macrobat | in my opinion yum was slow. maybe i didnt get it right |
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| 03:02.17 | jelly-home | jimi_hendrix: you know what real jimi_hendrix would do to a guitar that wouldn't play? |
| 03:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 03:02.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 03:02.38 | jimi_hendrix | jelly-home, go to its IRC channel. |
| 03:02.47 | jelly-home | damn |
| 03:02.48 | jimi_hendrix | and fix it |
| 03:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, that was a "no" |
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| 03:03.31 | macrobat | !win jimi_hendrix |
| 03:03.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, jimi_hendrix! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:03.39 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the loss of cultural heritage is most apparent |
| 03:04.10 | jimi_hendrix | jelly-home, rofl |
| 03:04.17 | jimi_hendrix | macrobat, is that good or bad? |
| 03:04.55 | macrobat | chrooted, trying to upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/62482/ |
| 03:05.26 | macrobat | this corned beef reminds me of cat food |
| 03:06.27 | jimi_hendrix | jelly-home, i am sorry i missed the 60s/70s |
| 03:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what drugs can do to you... |
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| 03:07.09 | jimi_hendrix | err i wasnt born yet, but i agree |
| 03:07.47 | jimi_hendrix | brb |
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| 03:10.12 | jimi_hendrix | back |
| 03:12.06 | jimi_hendrix | hmm...i do not appear to have an alsa group *makes one* |
| 03:12.44 | hayleyw | that's because it's "audio" group, not "alsa" |
| 03:12.50 | macrobat | :) |
| 03:13.32 | jimi_hendrix | oh wow |
| 03:13.54 | jimi_hendrix | i probably should go to bed |
| 03:14.06 | jelly-home | macrobat: mkinitramfs: MODULES dep requires mounted sysfs on /sys |
| 03:14.25 | macrobat | and that is mounted |
| 03:14.26 | jimi_hendrix | hmm ok...and what happens if i dont seem to have an alsamixer program? |
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| 03:15.02 | jelly-home | macrobat: does ls -l /sys confirm? |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: install alsa-utils ? |
| 03:15.50 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, thank you, my aptitude search alsa | grep ... wasnt getting me anything helpful |
| 03:16.08 | hayleyw | jimi_hendrix, learn to use apt-file search |
| 03:16.23 | jimi_hendrix | i always forget i have that |
| 03:16.35 | jelly-home | macrobat: because, if you're in the chroot and using "mount" to see what's mounted, that command could be reading a /etc/mtab with obsolete data |
| 03:16.44 | jimi_hendrix | well, sound works! |
| 03:16.48 | jimi_hendrix | thanks :) |
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| 03:17.54 | macrobat | jelly-home: while chrooted or not, ll /sys gives "total 0" |
| 03:18.05 | jelly-home | macrobat: then it's not mounted |
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| 03:19.09 | macrobat | and here i thought i could trust mount |
| 03:19.29 | jelly-home | trust /proc/mounts |
| 03:19.48 | jelly-home | ... of course, you can only do that if /proc is mounted :-) |
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| 03:20.12 | jelly-home | mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys && mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 03:20.17 | NoReflex | I have a problem with the sound on my notebook - debian testing. whenever a sound start or after it stops I can hear a crackle sound...IIRC in ubuntu there was a problem with the power saving option for intel HDA cards. I checked /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but couldn't find an entry for power saving. Any ideas? |
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| 03:22.18 | karlpinc | macrobat: mount, iirc, uses /etc/mtab, which is notorious for not being writable when / is mounted ro. |
| 03:22.45 | jelly-home | NoReflex: create an entry in that file, or better a separate local.conf file, something like "options snd-hda-intel power_save=0" |
| 03:23.27 | jelly-home | NoReflex: use "modinfo your-driver-name" command to see options available for the particular moudle |
| 03:24.01 | jelly-home | macrobat: rerun dpkg --configure -a after /proc and /sys are mounted |
| 03:24.12 | jelly-home | macrobat: you might or might not need /dev, too |
| 03:24.35 | macrobat | i better, does this write to fstab? :) |
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| 03:24.46 | macrobat | i'm editing it |
| 03:24.54 | jelly-home | why? |
| 03:24.56 | NoReflex | jelly-home: trying and rebooting now; thx |
| 03:25.16 | jelly-home | NoReflex: have you read what modinfo snd-hda-intel had to say? |
| 03:25.42 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I found parm: power_save:Automatic power-saving timeout (in second, 0 = disable). (int) |
| 03:25.51 | macrobat | this is a crappy lenny gnome install i havent bothered confing yet |
| 03:26.24 | jelly-home | NoReflex: right, so it exists in your kernel version too. |
| 03:26.42 | jelly-home | macrobat: lenny? with 2.6.32 kernels? |
| 03:27.41 | macrobat | no, 2.6.26 |
| 03:28.18 | macrobat | or something, it was so old there was no kernel headers for it |
| 03:28.28 | jelly-home | is confused and withdraws from the battlefield |
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| 03:29.02 | macrobat | i honestly dont understand how ppl can stand lenny with gnome :) |
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| 03:34.38 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I added options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 to the end of alsa-base.conf but the crackle sound is still there. |
| 03:35.13 | NoReflex | is there some way I can check that the option was "taken into consideration" at reboot? |
| 03:35.17 | Cappy | ok, im not having any luck here, ive tried DD and unetbootin for windows and when i boot from my USB disk, i get an error "cant mount CD-ROM" |
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| 03:37.00 | NoReflex | Cappy: did you copy one of the CD images to the USB drive after making it bootable? |
| 03:37.34 | karlpinc | Cappy: What are you trying to do? Install Debian? |
| 03:37.45 | Cappy | NoReflex, isnt that what unetbootin is supposed to do? |
| 03:38.06 | Cappy | unetbootin hasn't let me down before, now its gone to the dogs |
| 03:38.26 | Cappy | yes karlpinc, but i dont have a working CD/DVD drive |
| 03:38.56 | karlpinc | Cappy: Have you perchance looked at the debian installation manual at debian.org for instructions? |
| 03:39.00 | NoReflex | Cappy: I did not use unetbootin ... but it's fairly simple to make a USB drive bootable... |
| 03:39.15 | NoReflex | Cappy: check this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 03:40.01 | Cappy | karlpinc, i've read the install manual, it doesnt tell me how to do it form windows, and i dont have a working linux box i can use |
| 03:40.07 | karlpinc | Cappy: I setup pxeboot long ago and it's painless, now. Took a bit of fiddling to get it going the first time. (And it helped I'd already linux boxes around.) |
| 03:41.09 | karlpinc | Cappy: Worst case: install cygwin on Windows and follow the linux instructions. But there's probably an easier way.... |
| 03:41.57 | karlpinc | Cappy: What's your arch? |
| 03:42.13 | Cappy | x86 |
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| 03:42.58 | karlpinc | Cappy: (There's also ripping out the drive and dropping into a box with a working cd. ) :-P |
| 03:43.15 | Cappy | karlpinc, its a laptop, and i dont have anything else but laptops |
| 03:44.18 | Cappy | there is facility to install from the livecd? |
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| 03:45.13 | karlpinc | Cappy: Yes. But I forget what it's called. |
| 03:45.48 | Cappy | i'll download the livecd |
| 03:46.03 | andrew1618 | ok so i tried to create a bootable usb stick and I did a 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1' |
| 03:46.24 | andrew1618 | then I went to copy across the net install iso and it said that the usb stick was full. This is on a 4gb usb stick.. |
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| 03:47.03 | karlpinc | Cappy: But your cd drive does not work. ?? |
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| 03:47.19 | NoReflex | andrew1618: there are some limitations when using the easy way ... try the flexible way - it's almost as easy |
| 03:48.39 | andrew1618 | NoReflex, What do you mean? Why shouldnt the easy way work |
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| 03:49.00 | Cappy | karlpinc, true, but im hoping the livecd image will boot into a usable system for me, rather then the netinstall |
| 03:49.44 | andrew1618 | NoReflex, oh I think I did osmething rather retarded |
| 03:49.55 | NoReflex | andrew1618: do you have other files on the USB stick ? there's a note to the easy way: the logical size of the device will be limited to 256 MB, even if the capacity of the USB stick is larger |
| 03:50.21 | andrew1618 | NoReflex, err I hadn't remounted it *embarassed* |
| 03:50.27 | andrew1618 | NoReflex, it's all good now |
| 03:50.49 | NoReflex | andrew1618: ok |
| 03:50.50 | karlpinc | Cappy: See http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX for instructions installing syslinux. You can do this from MS Windows, and that's the only part of the instructions (AFICT) that are linux specific in the debian install manual. |
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| 03:52.50 | uorygl | What package provides an executable called compress? |
| 03:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell uorygl -about apt-file |
| 03:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ncompress" |
| 03:53.54 | macrobat | if i chroot, should i explicitlyly mount /dev/pts and /dev/shm ? |
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| 03:54.40 | karlpinc | macrobat: Do you really need them? |
| 03:54.48 | uorygl | When I apt-file search compress, I get over 2,000 results. |
| 03:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | gzip/gunzip should do the same, though |
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| 03:54.56 | hayleyw | macrobat, you should bind mount /dev |
| 03:55.02 | macrobat | i dont know karlpinc |
| 03:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | uorygl, then one searches for bin/compress |
| 03:55.16 | NoReflex | anyone else experiencing crackle noises before and after playing sounds? I thought it would be a power saving issue but it appears it's not. I'm using a dell inspiron 1520 with intel_hda audio |
| 03:55.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | uorygl, I told you the name above, though |
| 03:55.52 | karlpinc | hayleyw: (That sounds sane.) |
| 03:56.09 | macrobat | with aptitude full-upgrade i get "could not write log, /dev/pts not mounted" |
| 03:57.04 | hayleyw | macrobat, yeah. bind mount. read the howto of installing debian in a chroot |
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| 03:58.59 | meder | what command can i use to see all active users including daemon process users etc? |
| 03:59.06 | uorygl | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. |
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| 04:00.11 | macrobat | there is only one howto? :) |
| 04:00.22 | NoReflex | meder perhaps ps aux | grep -v your_username would help |
| 04:00.26 | karlpinc | meder: ps ax |
| 04:00.41 | karlpinc | macrobat: There's only one installation manual. |
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| 04:02.18 | hayleyw | macrobat, basically echo "/dev /var/chroot/install/dev none bind 0 0" >> /etc/fstab && mount /var/chroot/install/dev |
| 04:02.50 | hayleyw | do the same for /proc |
| 04:04.47 | macrobat | meh, i cant find a manual |
| 04:05.52 | macrobat | there is no chrooting in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en |
| 04:06.33 | macrobat | i dont have /var/chroot folders, what is the purpose? |
| 04:07.16 | hayleyw | change that to wherever your chroot is |
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| 04:10.54 | macrobat | i have a script for chrooting, i think i'll leave fstab as is |
| 04:11.15 | macrobat | i mean, i wrote it |
| 04:11.19 | hayleyw | it's obviously doing you a great job |
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| 04:12.29 | zjblabs | I'd hate to ask this probably over-asked question, but would it make sense for me to install debian from source instead of using the "i386" precompiled version to receieve the benifits of MMX et al. on my pentium 3? |
| 04:12.39 | zjblabs | (however small they may be) |
| 04:12.48 | macrobat | i dont see the point in adding fstab mount bind entries |
| 04:12.53 | hayleyw | zjblabs, no |
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| 04:13.26 | hayleyw | macrobat, good for you. dont ask us questions if you wont accept the answers |
| 04:13.32 | zjblabs | other than the insane, who would *need* to recompile an already exhisting port? |
| 04:13.59 | hayleyw | zjblabs, no one |
| 04:14.04 | macrobat | hayleyw: what is the point and what manual are you referring too? |
| 04:14.30 | hayleyw | macrobat, the point is so that you dont get the error that you reported. imagine that |
| 04:15.14 | macrobat | you can stop trolling now |
| 04:15.53 | zjblabs | finally, suppose I wanted to take advantage of installing from dvd media but only wanted to actually physically burn a small network install cd. Does debian "support" and/or have a guide for this method of installation (network installation cd + iso on untouched partition) |
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| 04:18.33 | peterrooney | meder: and my favourite, ps -ef f # (like ptree on steroids) |
| 04:19.23 | hayleyw | macrobat, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
| 04:19.41 | hayleyw | macrobat, "may need to be bind-mounted or copied.". but i'm trolling. sure |
| 04:20.17 | hayleyw | note step #3...mount /dev/pts...your problem |
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| 04:22.21 | ScottG | If I cancel an aptitude installation is there something I should do to clean up anyting? I believe it was in the download stage |
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| 04:24.24 | hayleyw | ScottG, not while downloading, no |
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| 04:24.59 | rfranknj | why is there no fglrx stuff in the nonfree repo of squeeze |
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| 04:25.56 | hayleyw | !fglrx |
| 04:25.56 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition: does not support Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) as of fglrx-driver 1:10-1-1 (Debian bug #564444). Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:27.50 | rfranknj | great |
| 04:28.15 | rfranknj | is there one of those handy things for getting hardware accel working w/ the radeon driver? i've an x1600 and it seems no matter what i do i end up with mesa in the opengl render string and no hardware accel |
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| 04:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, we're being spammed in ot :( |
| 04:38.23 | macrobat | yes |
| 04:38.39 | macrobat | and i dont have op there |
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| 04:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, you? |
| 04:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... I knew that :) |
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| 04:44.52 | flaccid | i'm new to debian, i'm wondering how to package an archive that is already a binary i.e. its contents are relative to / - folders such as etc, bin ? |
| 04:46.10 | flaccid | or can you only do it with make files ? |
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| 04:51.02 | macrobat | flaccid: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 04:53.03 | andrew1618 | is qtparted included on the netinstall image? |
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| 04:58.53 | flaccid | macrobat that appears to be the same as the debian new guide where it is from source |
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| 04:59.24 | NoReflex | any idea how I could get rid of the annoying speaker beep? I tried adding pcspkr to /etc/modules to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf .... but neither helped |
| 05:00.47 | macrobat | rmmod pcspkr and add rmmod pcspkr to /etc/rc.local |
| 05:01.04 | macrobat | why did you add it to /etc/modules? |
| 05:02.08 | NoReflex | macrobat: If I do modprobe pcspkr after logging in the beep dissapears. if I do rmmod pcpskr it appears again... |
| 05:02.38 | flaccid | looks like dh_make requires a Makefile, so i am assuming i will have to do this |
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| 05:03.56 | NoReflex | however if I added pcspkr to /etc/modules it didn't prevent the beeping...only after removing and reinserting the module the beeping disappeared |
| 05:04.12 | jmarsden | NoReflex: Does anything in the bell factoid help? |
| 05:04.14 | jmarsden | !bell |
| 05:04.14 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>. |
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| 05:05.21 | NoReflex | jmarsden: where would I use xset b off? I want to globally disable it... |
| 05:05.54 | macrobat | in /etc/inputrc "set bell-style none" |
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| 05:08.39 | NoReflex | macrobat: will try; thx |
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| 05:11.42 | flaccid | anyone here with deb pkg building experience? i need to work out how to create a deb with a source .tar.gz that simply contains the files to install into the filesystem, no makefile |
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| 05:12.50 | flaccid | who this might be what i'm looking for http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=35697 |
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| 05:14.56 | NoReflex | this is driving me nuts...the beeping doesn't appear when autocompleting commands with tab...it appears when the login window shows up and when I press backspace in this textbox (from xchat) and there's no character to delete |
| 05:15.32 | flaccid | who=oo |
| 05:16.23 | macrobat | NoReflex: somebody wired the speaker wrong? :) |
| 05:17.02 | NoReflex | macrobat: I hope not...this is a 2 year old notebook ... I just installed debian a few hours ago |
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| 05:17.46 | macrobat | it seems to do the opposite of what my pcspkr does |
| 05:18.28 | jmarsden | flaccid: See the post from plugwash in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=35697 |
| 05:18.39 | macrobat | he did :) |
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| 05:19.30 | BerMeJo | andybody can help me with wireless --> http://pastebin.com/Qm6nbiNc |
| 05:19.32 | jmarsden | Ah... I should read scrollback... :) |
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| 05:20.44 | Rapsodius | Hello guys! today is config night |
| 05:21.04 | Computer | installed lenny. trying to start apache2 and getting this error: Syntax error on line 278 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 15 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/aegir.conf: Cannot load /etc/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so into server: /etc/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.17 | Computer | this is the config file in question: http://pastebin.ca/1826282 |
| 05:21.28 | Rapsodius | which compression method should I use on my kernel? |
| 05:21.33 | Computer | why is it looking for that module in the wrong place? |
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| 05:22.33 | macrobat | Rapsodius: doesnt matter much |
| 05:23.02 | Rapsodius | I will stick with gzip then |
| 05:23.49 | Rapsodius | then the next: help didnt help too much: CFQ Group Scheduling support (CFQ_GROUP_IOSCHED) |
| 05:23.58 | NoReflex | the damn bell also appears when pressing backspace in a empty file in gedit :( |
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| 05:24.54 | Rapsodius | quote: Enable group IO scheduling in CFQ. |
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| 05:26.06 | BerMeJo | andybody can help me with wireless --> http://pastebin.com/Qm6nbiNc |
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| 05:27.54 | dark | I am not sure if this is the right channel to bring this question, but whenever I try to copy all my files, I get this: [20202.600337] EXT2-fs error (device sda1): ext2_readdir: bad page in #448837, I don't know in which file it happens. How can I just mark it as 'bad block'? (It's on a pen drive). I tried to run e2fsck -c, but I think that the 'badblocks' tool will not work for pen drives.. |
| 05:30.49 | macrobat | Rapsodius: finding all the options like that will take weeks :) |
| 05:31.58 | adb | BerMeJo, run > judd pciid 104C:9066 |
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| 05:33.19 | Rapsodius | macrobat: actually I copied the config from 2.6.32(repos) to 2.6.33(source) and ran make oldconfig so I only get prompts for new flags |
| 05:33.40 | macrobat | ok |
| 05:33.50 | BerMeJo | adb, sorry wht is judd (Command not found) |
| 05:33.56 | BerMeJo | ? |
| 05:34.08 | macrobat | ,pciid 104C:9066 |
| 05:34.11 | adb | do it here , on irc |
| 05:34.11 | judd | [104c:9066] is 'ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface' from 'Texas Instruments' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=104c:9066 http://wiki.debian.org/acx and the out-of-tree 'acx' module. |
| 05:34.21 | macrobat | judd is a bot here in the channel |
| 05:35.08 | BerMeJo | adb, and what do you want say me ? |
| 05:35.38 | adb | same as judd ... |
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| 05:36.28 | wols_ | BerMeJo: he wants you to find out the pciid of your wlan chip with lspci -nn |
| 05:36.34 | macrobat | BerMeJo: you need a module that is not in regular debian kernels |
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| 05:36.48 | BerMeJo | but im using ndiswrapper |
| 05:37.09 | wols_ | BerMeJo: does iwlist work? |
| 05:37.13 | BerMeJo | http://pastebin.com/Qm6nbiNc |
| 05:37.17 | rrregis | Beginner question: is it possible to make the computer go to standby after being idle a certain length of time (instead of going to a screensaver?) |
| 05:37.19 | BerMeJo | wols_ sure |
| 05:37.20 | NoReflex | I killed the damn system beep - it was a setting in CompiConfig - General Option - Audible bell - the sweet sound of silence :D |
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| 05:38.04 | macrobat | i might be wrong |
| 05:38.29 | nm9 | HI, how can I initialize SDL in console? I have already insert nvidiafb module |
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| 05:39.43 | NoReflex | now if I could only solve the problem with the crackle (pop) noise before and after sound plays... |
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| 05:41.22 | NoReflex | can I see the parameters (options) of a loaded kernel module? |
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| 05:42.56 | randomeruser | i'm trying to set up my wireless card |
| 05:43.50 | randomeruser | i have the ra2860 chipset, and pulled ra2860-sta drivers from the repo |
| 05:43.53 | randomeruser | now what? |
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| 05:45.35 | macrobat | randomeruser: i think there should be a driver module to load, if it isnt loaded already |
| 05:46.47 | adb | randomeruser, /msg dpkg wlan howto |
| 05:46.58 | randomeruser | as in 'modprobe ra2860-sta' |
| 05:47.07 | wols_ | randomeruser: those aren't drivers |
| 05:47.19 | wols_ | !tell randomeruser about rt2800 |
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| 05:47.57 | Rapsodius | Default security modulern> 1. SELinux (DEFAULT_SECURITY_SELINUX) (NEW)rn 2. Unix Discretionary Access Controls (DEFAULT_SECURITY_DAC) (NEW) |
| 05:48.05 | Rapsodius | any idea? |
| 05:48.35 | adb | 1 |
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| 05:49.03 | randomeruser | nice dpkg bot |
| 05:49.34 | Rapsodius | dont forget apt and judd |
| 05:50.36 | BerMeJo | i have it! |
| 05:50.43 | macrobat | nice |
| 05:51.13 | macrobat | selinux isnt necessary |
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| 05:52.09 | Rapsodius | why? |
| 05:52.12 | macrobat | Rapsodius: you are keeping the default options that are not new? |
| 05:52.52 | Rapsodius | make oldconfig skips directly not new options so I hadnt have a chance |
| 05:53.48 | macrobat | selinux, to enhance security. this might tell you some stuff if you are interested http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 05:53.56 | acu | is there a apache group and nobody user in lenny after installing apache2 ? |
| 05:54.11 | wols_ | acu: no. debian uses www-data |
| 05:54.22 | wols_ | the nobody user is always there |
| 05:54.31 | acu | wols_ do you know everything ? |
| 05:54.35 | acu | :) |
| 05:54.45 | acu | thsnkd |
| 05:54.51 | acu | thanks |
| 05:55.13 | Rapsodius | macrobat: it is my computer anyway so no risk of other people messing up with it |
| 05:55.45 | acu | how can I see it ? In glonme the groups settings does not show it |
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| 06:08.17 | Rapsodius | Under preemption model, which one to choose | | (X) Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) | |rn | | ( ) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) |
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| 06:10.09 | adb | Rapsodius, please stop to paste it to channel |
| 06:10.27 | Rapsodius | it is under 2 lines so its fine |
| 06:10.36 | macrobat | low-latency is supposed to give you a more responsive computer. the price you pay is less throughput |
| 06:11.39 | adb | Rapsodius, nah, it is really weird on our monitors |
| 06:12.00 | Rapsodius | macrobat: I dont get the diference though |
| 06:12.06 | Rapsodius | adb: like what? |
| 06:12.25 | adb | 07:06<Rapsodius> Under preemption model, which one to choose | | (X) Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) | |rn | | ( ) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) |
| 06:12.32 | adb | heh |
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| 06:12.57 | Rapsodius | I see it a bit different, I used gpm to grab it from the other tty |
| 06:13.04 | macrobat | take a screenshot and paste it :) |
| 06:13.27 | adb | Rapsodius, use pastebin |
| 06:13.39 | Rapsodius | next time |
| 06:13.43 | Rapsodius | hehe |
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| 06:14.17 | Rapsodius | I left it on voluntary preemption |
| 06:14.21 | wols_ | Rapsodius: this is NOT a kernel compile channel |
| 06:14.34 | wols_ | either you know what you're doing or you use a debian kernel |
| 06:14.52 | adb | Rapsodius, there are 2 billion parameters to kernel , wont paste it all that |
| 06:15.12 | macrobat | Rapsodius: kernelnewbies.org have some info |
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| 06:22.04 | nm9 | HI, how can I initialize SDL in console? I have already insert nvidiafb module |
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| 06:26.34 | dekatch | Hi People, got a big problem with my ssh! It tells me "Server refused to start a shell/command" |
| 06:26.57 | dekatch | i dont know what to do! isnt supported by debian i guess cause it was happening with PuTTy |
| 06:27.52 | adb | nm9, apt-cache search SDL in console |
| 06:27.56 | wols_ | if the server runs on debian, it is |
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| 06:28.05 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.10 | dekatch | Server is running,server runs on debian |
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| 06:28.32 | wols_ | dekatch: and you can access the server without ssh too? |
| 06:28.48 | dekatch | no !, i can do a rescue connection, but i have no idea what to do, googled about it |
| 06:29.02 | wols_ | what is a rescue connection? |
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| 06:29.33 | adb | a back door ;( |
| 06:29.38 | dekatch | a rescue console, rescue connection starts my vps with standard settings, let me repaid some mistakes |
| 06:29.54 | dekatch | e.g. iptables and such! |
| 06:30.08 | wols_ | ok, install dropbear on the server, make it listen on some port != 22 |
| 06:30.13 | dekatch | but, i googled for that Server refused error and ive found no solutions |
| 06:30.53 | dekatch | what is dropbear? anyone knows about this problem? its kind of curious, cause ive nothing changed. i just used some putty options |
| 06:31.10 | wols_ | then undo thoes options? |
| 06:31.15 | dekatch | dangit :P |
| 06:31.16 | wols_ | dropbear is a ssh server |
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| 06:31.46 | nm9 | adb, ok |
| 06:32.10 | adb | nm9, found it ? |
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| 06:33.16 | dekatch | ah, i guess i know why i got these problems, cannot allocate memory :/ |
| 06:33.29 | dekatch | it is an vps with just 768MB ram |
| 06:33.41 | nvz | either you haven't any or enough swap then |
| 06:33.58 | nm9 | adb, no :( |
| 06:34.02 | dekatch | yes, no swap at all |
| 06:34.11 | adb | nm9, try libsdl-console |
| 06:34.13 | dekatch | its xen or something, dont know |
| 06:34.15 | nvz | then I sugguest you make some |
| 06:34.39 | dekatch | i cant or? |
| 06:34.41 | nvz | swapping is undesirable, but is saves a machine from crashing |
| 06:35.00 | nvz | if you have root access you can always add swap |
| 06:35.11 | dekatch | ok |
| 06:35.24 | dekatch | i am not any kind od IT Systemadministrator |
| 06:35.30 | dekatch | didnt know about that |
| 06:35.48 | adb | !swap file |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, swap file is an area of your hard drive that the computer uses for RAM. Although slower, it is usually much more abundant., but see man mkswap && man swapon |
| 06:36.19 | dekatch | yeaa, i know how swap drives are working, but never added a swap drive after an installation |
| 06:36.24 | nvz | basically you use dd to output specified number of blocks from /dev/zero to a file, then mkswap, and swap on |
| 06:36.29 | nvz | then add it to /etc/fstab |
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| 06:37.21 | dekatch | aww, thats something interesting! cause my vps has no swap at all! would be usefull i guess :P |
| 06:39.48 | nvz | dekatch: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=1572864; mkswap /swapfile; swapon /swapfile; echo "/swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0" >> /etc/fstab |
| 06:39.58 | nvz | would create a swapfile with twice your ram size |
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| 06:40.23 | nm9 | adb, I install libsdl-console now how to enable it? |
| 06:40.26 | dekatch | i am not able to use ps aux |
| 06:40.33 | dekatch | i cant stop apache or something :) |
| 06:41.03 | adb | nm9, use it with your sdl apps |
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| 06:42.08 | nm9 | adb, could not initialize SDL - exiting |
| 06:42.14 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.19 | adb | nm9, maybe need too libdirect .. |
| 06:43.40 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.39 | adb | nm9, read the documentation of your sdl apps |
| 06:44.53 | nm9 | adb, already installed |
| 06:45.48 | adb | anyways i'm out for a while |
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| 06:51.34 | dekatch | Well, thanks for the hint with create swapfile! Have to reinstall for now with the youngest backup! Thanks !!!! |
| 06:52.38 | wols_ | 768MB and ssh is out of memory? that's is very very doubtful |
| 06:53.11 | dekatch | i guess i used more then 768mb! |
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| 06:53.56 | dekatch | was just not displayed! free -m displayed "used 768 free 0" |
| 06:54.27 | dekatch | he would not tell me that i use 800mb for example cause my vps has just 768MB |
| 06:55.12 | wols_ | !free memory |
| 06:55.12 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 06:55.20 | dekatch | even if the hostsystem has 16GB or more! |
| 06:55.42 | macrobat | dekatch: more info http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 06:56.02 | dekatch | i know this! thanks |
| 06:56.48 | wols_ | then start understanding it |
| 06:57.08 | dekatch | here this is now: |
| 06:57.12 | dekatch | free -m |
| 06:57.14 | dekatch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.15 | dekatch | Mem: 768 501 266 0 0 0 |
| 06:57.17 | dekatch | -/+ buffers/cache: 501 266 |
| 06:57.19 | dekatch | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 06:57.20 | dekatch | before it was: |
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| 06:57.48 | dekatch | free -m |
| 06:57.50 | dekatch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.51 | dekatch | Mem: 768 768 0 0 0 0 |
| 06:57.53 | dekatch | -/+ buffers/cache: 768 0 |
| 06:57.55 | dekatch | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 06:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !paste |
| 06:58.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 06:58.39 | dekatch | argh, crap, you got me! yea, i know, sry |
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| 07:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might add, you could have made the point with 3 lines |
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| 07:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, it says 2 lines now? used to be 3 |
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| 07:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you need 7 for the output of apt-get moo :( |
| 07:04.52 | macrobat | aptitude shines again, its output is 1 line only |
| 07:05.02 | wols_ | I doubt a VPS' free output can be trusted anyways |
| 07:06.11 | dekatch | i love it :) 3% 68MB 12.0MB/s 02:23 ETA |
| 07:06.36 | dekatch | its just sending 1780MB over to my vps :P in like 130 seconds |
| 07:06.38 | dekatch | haha |
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| 07:09.06 | dekatch | finally :) 100% 1782MB 11.0MB/s 02:42 ! but i am going to stop spam now |
| 07:09.29 | dekatch | :P |
| 07:11.13 | dekatch | macrobat: i dont like aptitude, it sounds a bit uhm dunno^^ i still use apt-get and i use aliases also, its not apt-get install its- get-app, rem-app, search-app :P |
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| 07:12.05 | dekatch | or is aptitude a way better? more secure? |
| 07:12.16 | Joint | it's whatever |
| 07:12.25 | jmarsden | !why aptitude |
| 07:12.25 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 07:12.32 | Joint | if you want to use aptitude apt it's the same crap |
| 07:13.31 | dekatch | ah, maybe i change my aliases from apt-get to aptitude command line, |
| 07:13.45 | pallgone` | well that's kinda strange... with squeeze... *sometimes* gfx is delayed... in the browser for example... or with nxclient... (intel driver)... when I set vesa in xorg.conf it's all fine... |
| 07:14.02 | dekatch | but i still use, get-app, rem-app, search-app, i dont like the word itself aptitude |
| 07:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 07:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Who writes a sentence like this... |
| 07:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thomas Mann? |
| 07:14.19 | macrobat | and there is interactive curses aptitude, i dont use it much |
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| 07:16.07 | macrobat | "Like apt-get" :) the factoid should explain why aptitude is better |
| 07:16.09 | rfranknj | is there an easy way to see which hard disks are mapped to which devices? size, etc? |
| 07:16.15 | rfranknj | model would be helpful |
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| 07:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that and it's overly detailed and complicated |
| 07:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what he really wants to say is that it's not only got the curses gui but you can use it just like apt-get |
| 07:17.32 | macrobat | set labels for the partitions and read ls -l /dev/disk/by-label when you need that info |
| 07:17.44 | macrobat | rfranknj: ^ |
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| 07:19.01 | macrobat | fdisk -l shows size |
| 07:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, no, why aptitude is <reply> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get and here an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 07:21.14 | dpkg | okay, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I forget something? |
| 07:21.20 | SonicvanaJr | Can anyone tell me why the portmap service is enabled by default? |
| 07:21.46 | smerdykov | I have a Sony Vaio with a faulty monitor, so I'm trying to get it to sync to an external monitor as the primary, but I need to do it outside of windows so I can reinstall my OSs |
| 07:21.50 | smerdykov | can anyone help me? |
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| 07:22.09 | rfranknj | smerdykov: isn't there usually a function key you can hit to do that |
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| 07:22.15 | rfranknj | fn+f6 or something like that |
| 07:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg ~= s/here/there has/ |
| 07:22.21 | dpkg | i don't know, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:22.22 | pallgone` | CutMeOwnThroat: :) ... I thought it's quite clear... but s/here/has |
| 07:22.34 | smerdykov | yeah, I've tried one |
| 07:22.48 | smerdykov | I think there's a plug and play setting I need to enable in the bios for that to work, though |
| 07:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg why aptitude ~= s/here/there has/ |
| 07:22.50 | dpkg | i don't know, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh, I always forget that one |
| 07:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, no, why aptitude is <reply> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 07:23.41 | dpkg | okay, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | pallgone`, well, it still says the same and is about half as long? |
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| 07:24.00 | smerdykov | is there a way to do it easily in deb? |
| 07:24.21 | smerdykov | I can boot to windows and be able to see it, but not to debian because I never set up external monitors in the xorg.conf |
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| 07:32.48 | wols_ | smerdykov: do you have more than one PC in a LAN? if so, ssh to the debian box and fiddle with xorg.conf until it does what you want |
| 07:33.16 | smerdykov | hmm, sounds like a good idea |
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| 07:35.44 | smerdykov | I've never actually used ssh before, actually |
| 07:35.55 | Vmanz | ssh is win |
| 07:35.56 | smerdykov | but I'm on OSx right now, so that should work through the terminal, right? |
| 07:36.18 | wols_ | yes |
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| 07:38.12 | smerdykov | that's what I have heard, but does anyone want to give me a hand with the specifics? |
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| 07:38.37 | wols_ | ssh <debian box ip> |
| 07:39.08 | macrobat | im losing the stuff in x11selection too easy and it is not in the parcellite clipboard. how do i paste what i select? |
| 07:39.41 | macrobat | it works sometimes |
| 07:41.17 | smerdykov | hmm, I am fairly certain that I've found the debian box ip with arp, but it is just idling after the ssh command |
| 07:41.24 | dekatch | isnt there a way for search recusrive with find command? |
| 07:41.36 | dekatch | find -R, find -r doesnt work! |
| 07:41.49 | dekatch | find --help dont tell me how to do |
| 07:42.34 | wols_ | smerdykov: is sshd installed on debian? |
| 07:42.48 | wols_ | dekatch: find always searches recursively |
| 07:42.52 | smerdykov | it may be, but I never have installed it |
| 07:43.08 | smerdykov | and I don't know how I would go around installing it without being able to see the screen |
| 07:43.10 | smerdykov | well |
| 07:43.22 | smerdykov | isn't there a command to bring up the command line |
| 07:43.37 | wols_ | there always is a command line |
| 07:43.44 | dekatch | ah, right |
| 07:43.46 | wols_ | on a booted debian box, press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 07:43.52 | dekatch | thanks |
| 07:43.57 | wols_ | then log in, then install openssh-server |
| 07:43.57 | smerdykov | ok |
| 07:43.59 | Shtl | Hi, i want to boost the internet speed, what way i can do it? |
| 07:44.09 | wols_ | Shtl: boost in what way? |
| 07:44.31 | Shtl | download speed |
| 07:44.51 | wols_ | pay your ISP more money to give you higher download speeds (if technically possible) |
| 07:45.48 | smerdykov | ok, installed, now how do I start that biatch |
| 07:46.00 | Shtl | that i know, there r some other ways, we can do it by some settings in the OS |
| 07:46.01 | wols_ | if it's installed it runs automatically |
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| 07:46.27 | wols_ | Shtl: if you know what you can do, why ask us? |
| 07:46.48 | nachos | do i _need_ a mx record to run a mail server? |
| 07:47.02 | wols_ | nachos: no. A record is fine |
| 07:47.12 | smerdykov | ok, the command is still hanging on OS X |
| 07:47.25 | nachos | wols_: what about incoming mail from the internet? |
| 07:47.44 | wols_ | nachos: what about it? |
| 07:48.02 | Shtl | wols_: i know only its possible but donno how to do it, if u know u put the comments else please keep quite man |
| 07:48.11 | nachos | wols_: do other mail servers need a MX record of the server to route to to do it sucsessfully? |
| 07:48.24 | wols_ | nachos: I just told you. NO |
| 07:48.31 | nachos | thanks wols_ just wanted to be clear |
| 07:48.38 | smerdykov | timed out |
| 07:49.37 | wols_ | smerdykov: how do you KNOW you installed ssh server? |
| 07:50.10 | smerdykov | ran aptitude, saw the packages coming in, went back to prompt? |
| 07:50.32 | wols_ | how do you know you went back to a prompt when you can't see anything? |
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| 07:50.43 | smerdykov | when I open the screen, I can see it for half a second |
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| 07:50.55 | smerdykov | then it turns off |
| 07:51.11 | wols_ | that doesn't sound like a bad screen but a configuration problem. oh well |
| 07:51.27 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:52.03 | smerdykov | yeah, I think it is a config problem, but it happens in the bios as well, so I'm not sure how to fix it |
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| 07:52.59 | smerdykov | ah fuck |
| 07:53.04 | smerdykov | I think the WLAN is off |
| 07:53.11 | smerdykov | thus explaining most of these problems :( |
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| 07:54.03 | smerdykov | I can't remember if I ever got wireless working :S |
| 07:54.04 | meder | what command can i use to monitor ram/memory usage? |
| 07:54.10 | meder | i have a feeling mysql is using a shitload |
| 07:54.17 | wols_ | meder: top |
| 07:54.39 | meder | ah |
| 07:55.13 | meder | mysqld is using around 11% of 393216k in one instance, there are a couple apache2 instances using 4-5% |
| 07:55.16 | meder | hm |
| 07:56.39 | smerdykov | sorry for wasting your time, man, I don't have an ethernet connection for this hog |
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| 07:57.26 | erry | Hey, Ialready have gnome and I'm trying to install KDE but i get a dependance error |
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| 07:58.11 | erry | http://pastebin.com/L4hnue5w |
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| 08:03.17 | macrobat | erry: i recommend using aptitude over apt-get. what happens if you try to install kdeaddons? |
| 08:03.35 | macrobat | or kdebase ? |
| 08:03.57 | wols_ | ,versions kdeaddons |
| 08:03.59 | judd | kdeaddons -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-2 |
| 08:04.07 | erry | macrobat, dependancy errors |
| 08:04.09 | wols_ | erry: upgrade to lenny |
| 08:04.15 | erry | wols_, im using squeeze |
| 08:04.57 | wols_ | erry: then you are in the fortunate position that there is no kdeaddons. I'm sure, since you run testing, you know your way around how to solve such a problem yourself |
| 08:05.20 | umarzuki | hi, i cannot burn any cd even after "chmod o+rw /dev/sr0", i always getting "cdrecord has no permission to open the device" |
| 08:05.44 | macrobat | !tell erry -about install kde4 |
| 08:05.48 | umarzuki | i tried with brasero and get the same permission issue and sometimes "overburn speed" |
| 08:06.04 | wols_ | umarzuki: uname -r |
| 08:06.25 | umarzuki | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 08:06.30 | Devastator | dumb question: if aptitude is better, why apt-get still there? |
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| 08:07.15 | macrobat | to apt-get source and apt-get build-dep |
| 08:07.21 | wols_ | Devastator: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 08:07.38 | wols_ | Devastator: don't forget to ask why dselect is still there |
| 08:09.01 | Devastator | wols_ dpkg doesn't know :( |
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| 08:10.19 | nm9 | I need kvm-kmod package |
| 08:10.35 | Devastator | packages.debian.org/kvm-kmod |
| 08:11.12 | nm9 | no results |
| 08:11.35 | Devastator | packages.debian.org |
| 08:11.57 | nm9 | no results |
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| 08:12.54 | simonrvn | macrobat: aptitude -v (to 5, keep adding a v) moo |
| 08:14.03 | simonrvn | macrobat: start with no -v though |
| 08:14.08 | macrobat | yes, there are 5 levels of moo fun in aptitude. |
| 08:14.16 | pallgone | so... how much is ubuntu still relying on debian? |
| 08:14.24 | simonrvn | ask them |
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| 08:14.55 | pallgone | !ask |
| 08:14.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:16.31 | simonrvn | like i said, ask them. i'm not saying it again. |
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| 08:18.41 | pallgone | simonrvn: yes... please shut up |
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| 08:19.25 | umarzuki | wols_, 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 08:19.41 | pallgone | simonrvn: I was not asking YOU... so if you don't have anything to say: ^ |
| 08:19.56 | wols_ | umarzuki: I'm a bit confused since there is no cdrecord anymore in debian. I don't know the answer to your problem |
| 08:20.10 | gothenburg | I really need to read my computer magazines more... |
| 08:20.20 | wols_ | pallgone: do you have a _debian related_ problem to ask about? ano no, ubuntu things are NOT debian related |
| 08:21.04 | gothenburg | I saw that Xubuntu took 68 sec to start until firefox is running... Debian took 48. |
| 08:22.43 | pallgone | wols_: yes, I have some debian related problems too... and to my question, nvm |
| 08:23.55 | macrobat | gothenburg: boot time is not that important. you start the things useful to you. |
| 08:24.22 | gothenburg | And I saw about LXDE there... I love LXDE :) |
| 08:24.58 | gothenburg | Is Kazehakase good? |
| 08:25.08 | gothenburg | as a webbrowser? |
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| 08:27.07 | macrobat | you install and try, see if it does what you need. it's kind of minimal and i think most of the documentation is in japanese |
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| 09:03.26 | flaccid | anyone alive that can help me with debian packaging? i simply want to make a deb package that install one file and there is no source or compilation? |
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| 09:04.30 | babilen | flaccid: Read the new maintainers guide, use dh_make and ask specific questions in #debian-mentors over at irc.oftc.net |
| 09:04.34 | babilen | flaccid: Or here :) |
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| 09:05.01 | flaccid | yes i have done dh_make and commented out $(MAKE) and $(MAKE) clean |
| 09:06.01 | flaccid | afaik, now i replace $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/rightscale install with install commands or something |
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| 09:16.18 | ben_b | how do i connect to a wireless network which does not require any password ? |
| 09:16.27 | ben_b | is dhclient a good candidate ? |
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| 09:18.00 | cahoot | ben_b: no xorg involved? |
| 09:18.26 | ben_b | no . i want to do it via command line |
| 09:18.49 | Fringe | having issues with aptitude install keep getting error |
| 09:18.51 | Fringe | http://pastebin.com/VnQ3pB8k |
| 09:18.58 | cahoot | ben_b: think you want iwconfig + dhclient then |
| 09:19.53 | gothenburg | ben_b: wicd? |
| 09:19.57 | AimHere | ifconfig if for some bizarre reason, the wireless router wants you to have a fixed address |
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| 09:19.59 | gothenburg | ok |
| 09:20.01 | gothenburg | ah |
| 09:20.13 | babilen | You could just use "iwconfig" or configure networks by essid using wpa_supplicant's roaming mode. Have a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf and README.modes.gz in the parent directory |
| 09:21.10 | babilen | ben_b: Or the curses interface of wicd, but you will need to grab wicd from backports IIRC (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 09:21.14 | babilen | ,versions wicd |
| 09:21.16 | judd | wicd -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.7.0-3; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-2 |
| 09:21.36 | cahoot | ,versions wicd-curses |
| 09:21.38 | judd | wicd-curses -- squeeze: 1.7.0-3; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-2 |
| 09:21.48 | babilen | cahoot: thanks :) |
| 09:22.03 | ben_b | what is the command using iwconfig to put it on roaming ? |
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| 09:23.13 | babilen | ben_b: "man iwconfig" - the first paragraph explains the usage of "iwconfig essid" |
| 09:24.46 | ben_b | babilen: does it mean after setting the essid , i am connected ? Please i need something concrete |
| 09:24.55 | babilen | ben_b: Just for completeness. If you want to use wicd-curses you need to backport it yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" to learn how |
| 09:25.48 | ben_b | OK. i found it. |
| 09:25.52 | babilen | ben_b: You can check your connection status by issuing "iwconfig <interface>" |
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| 09:26.14 | ben_b | its: iwconfig ath0 mode Ad-Hoc |
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| 09:27.02 | Fringe | anyone can tell me how to get this fix... http://pastebin.com/VnQ3pB8k |
| 09:27.19 | babilen | ben_b: no, that would create an "Ad-Hoc" network. If I understood you correctly you want "iwconfig ath0 essid any" |
| 09:27.40 | babilen | ben_b: Will you switch between networks frequently? |
| 09:27.49 | ben_b | no |
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| 09:28.37 | ben_b | i am at a location where i get free internet. I only need to connect to the wireless over there. So how do i connect ? |
| 09:28.38 | pallgone | ben_b: you can use /etc/network/interfaces also, is it WPA? |
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| 09:29.16 | pallgone | ben_b: ifconfig <interface> essid <id> |
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| 09:29.25 | pallgone | ben_b: dhclient <interface> |
| 09:29.35 | pallgone | ben_b: sorry, iwconfig |
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| 09:31.17 | pallgone | to get the essid if you don't know it: iwlist <interface> scan |
| 09:32.03 | babilen | ben_b: Configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces if you don't expect to switch between networks |
| 09:32.54 | babilen | ben_b: See: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
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| 09:33.50 | babilen | ben_b: If you expect to switch networks I would suggest to either (i) use wpa_supplicant's roaming mode or (ii) wicd-curses |
| 09:34.01 | ben_b | what does wireless keymod open mean ? |
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| 09:34.19 | babilen | ben_b: That will give you the opportunity to use WEP/WPA/... encrypted networks too |
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| 09:35.55 | Araneidae | How old is the X.Org X Server in Lenny? |
| 09:36.43 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 09:37.18 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 09:40.00 | Araneidae | Think I'm finding the version number, 1:7.3+20, rather hard to understand |
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| 09:40.19 | Araneidae | I guess it must mean 7.3 |
| 09:41.03 | Araneidae | If I want a more up to date xorg and drivers, what's my best course? |
| 09:41.25 | babilen | use squeeze or a different distribution |
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| 09:42.45 | Araneidae | I've been happy enough with debian in the past, on this machine I'll try a newer install |
| 09:43.42 | babilen | The upgrade to squeeze is not that easy these days, because you will need to take care of kernel/udev |
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| 09:43.55 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 09:43.55 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at present. |
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| 09:44.20 | babilen | Araneidae: Why do you *need* a newer xorg version? |
| 09:44.30 | Araneidae | Well, fair question. |
| 09:44.34 | Araneidae | Two reasons. |
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| 09:45.09 | Araneidae | 1. I'm fighting bugs in the radeon driver; I'd rather be up to date than 2 years behind on that |
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| 09:45.37 | flo|linux | hi |
| 09:45.40 | Araneidae | 2. This machine is mostly for Wine stuff, which wants stuff in the xorg bleeding edge... |
| 09:45.45 | flo|linux | why can't i write to ntfs partitions? |
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| 09:45.46 | today1 | i have problem here : have popup : " there is no app installed for OLE2 compound document storage files " |
| 09:45.49 | today1 | plz help me now |
| 09:45.56 | flo|linux | does debian lenny still use the "old" driver that cannot write? |
| 09:46.51 | babilen | Araneidae: OK - You could try the update. Make backups, read the lenny release notes and follow all applicable steps, read "/msg dpkg squeeze udev" and then follow the "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" factoid |
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| 09:47.18 | babilen | Araneidae: If in doubt come here and ask. The kernel/udev thing is really a bit, well, scary :) |
| 09:47.34 | Araneidae | babilen, cheeers. Fortunately the backup bit is not important (fresh install) |
| 09:47.51 | babilen | Araneidae: Just wanted to make sure. Good luck |
| 09:48.30 | Araneidae | Hum. Did something serious change in the udev interface in 2.6.27? |
| 09:48.45 | wols_ | a!tell flo|linux about ntfsmount |
| 09:48.50 | wols_ | !tell flo|linux about ntfsmount |
| 09:48.52 | babilen | flo|linux: Check ntfsmount (never used, so no further help here) |
| 09:49.03 | today1 | i have trouble with " there is no app installed for OLE2 compound document storage files ":-( |
| 09:49.12 | wols_ | today1: what program? |
| 09:49.50 | babilen | today1: And what is a "OLE2 document storage file" ? |
| 09:50.05 | today1 | yeah babilen |
| 09:50.36 | today1 | can you help me to read this file babilen |
| 09:50.42 | wols_ | today1: it's a file made by a windows program which uses OLE heavily. can be any number of apps doing it |
| 09:50.52 | wols_ | today1: no one can unless you tell us what kind of file it is |
| 09:51.07 | today1 | uhm, i see this's xls file |
| 09:51.10 | today1 | wols_: |
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| 09:51.17 | wols_ | use openoffice |
| 09:51.29 | today1 | yep |
| 09:51.52 | babilen | needs to brush up on windows terminology :) |
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| 09:51.56 | today1 | it's excel type file |
| 09:52.06 | today1 | how do that babilen ? |
| 09:52.10 | today1 | how to read this file |
| 09:52.16 | wols_ | babilen: OLE is about 15 years old. damn, you are behind! |
| 09:52.23 | wols_ | today1: I just told you what to try |
| 09:52.24 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:52.48 | today1 | i want to know how read this file |
| 09:52.58 | wols_ | and I told you what program to use to read it |
| 09:53.04 | Araneidae | remembers OLE2, hopes the memories will fade |
| 09:53.10 | today1 | :( |
| 09:53.13 | wols_ | nightmares never fade |
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| 09:53.18 | today1 | show me |
| 09:53.25 | flo|linux | is there an easy backup solution for linux that can do incremental backups that can be accessed without special programs? |
| 09:53.31 | cahoot | wols_: they can be replaced |
| 09:53.32 | babilen | today1: Install openoffice and use that to open the file |
| 09:53.32 | wols_ | puts today1 on ignore and sighs "sunday" |
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| 09:53.44 | flo|linux | maybe with hard or symbolic links for the files that didn't change |
| 09:54.18 | babilen | flo|linux: I like rsnapshot/rdiff-backup. Also check duplicity, bacula, ... |
| 09:54.28 | today1 | offcourse i installed O.O 3.1 |
| 09:54.33 | babilen | flo|linux: I guess rsnapshot is what you look for |
| 09:54.33 | wols_ | cahoot: btw, you need to identify to nickserv BEFORE you join a channel. otherwise you join the channel, identify to get the cloack which makes the new freenode server to "changing servers". in effect your join is taking 3 lines and shows your IP |
| 09:54.52 | today1 | when i click this file to open,we have pop up : " there is no app installed for OLE2 compound document storage files " |
| 09:54.58 | today1 | :-( |
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| 09:55.09 | Araneidae | today1, start by installing Open Office |
| 09:55.24 | flo|linux | could rsnapshot (theoretically) operate on NTFS disk as backup-medium, too? |
| 09:55.37 | wols_ | flo|linux: with ntfsmount, yes |
| 09:55.44 | babilen | today1: Open openoffice then file->open or use "open with" |
| 09:55.48 | today1 | offcourse Araneidae |
| 09:55.52 | flo|linux | my father switched to linux, but i dunno if i can make him format all his disks with ext3 ;) |
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| 09:56.12 | wols_ | flo|linux: if he did, he should |
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| 09:56.31 | wols_ | what ntfs can't do in linux is use file permissions :( |
| 09:56.41 | wols_ | basically it's like FAT with files >4GB |
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| 09:56.54 | flo|linux | wols_, windows still exists as "emergency" operating system, so maybe he wants to keep access |
| 09:57.10 | flo|linux | well, or i'll install that installable ext3 fs driver =) |
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| 10:00.30 | gothenburg | I am good |
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| 10:04.34 | ben_b | in using wpa_supplicant must the -D option be always followed with wext ? |
| 10:04.45 | babilen | ben_b: no - that is the default |
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| 10:05.16 | ben_b | well, if i change it wpa_supplicant reports an error |
| 10:05.24 | babilen | ben_b: And I would suggest to use ifup/ifdown together with /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf as outlined in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf |
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| 10:05.59 | babilen | ben_b: Also read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
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| 10:07.54 | liable | wext should work with most drivers these days |
| 10:08.01 | bunder | does gq have a lenny version? |
| 10:09.13 | liable | ,versions gq |
| 10:09.14 | judd | gq -- etch: 1.0.0-3; sid: 1.3.4-1 |
| 10:09.33 | bunder | hm, i guess i'll try lat again... |
| 10:09.38 | liable | hmm, didnt make lenny? |
| 10:09.46 | liable | might have had rc bugs |
| 10:09.58 | liable | !why is gq not in testing? |
| 10:09.58 | dpkg | gq is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gq |
| 10:10.21 | liable | odd |
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| 10:10.51 | bunder | "completely unusable", yeah, i guess that could be a reason why heh |
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| 10:14.24 | Hape7 | hi |
| 10:14.34 | bunder | lat seems to be working now, i'm happy with that |
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| 10:15.02 | Hape7 | i've got a problem, when i type killall it doesn't work, how to install a killall? |
| 10:15.43 | bunder | any good gui's for bind dns? i tried gadmin-bind but it choked on multiple domains |
| 10:15.43 | liable | as root? |
| 10:16.12 | Hape7 | as root |
| 10:16.32 | babilen | Hape7: "it doesn't work" ? What is the error you get? |
| 10:16.38 | bunder | zombie process perhaps? |
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| 10:17.07 | liable | its in psmisc package |
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| 10:19.47 | Hape7 | thank you, yet one question, how to kill screen with name YXZ and don' t kill the other screens? |
| 10:20.07 | liable | get its pid with ps and kill that pid |
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| 10:20.45 | Hape7 | yes, so PID is variable |
| 10:20.58 | liable | use kill, not killall |
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| 10:21.16 | Hape7 | kill screen lol ? |
| 10:21.17 | Araneidae | lenny->squeeze, step `aptitude install aptitude` is interesting. What does "Score is 535" mean? |
| 10:21.34 | gothenburg | :D |
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| 10:21.43 | babilen | Araneidae: Please paste the complete output to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 10:21.43 | liable | Hape7: kill -15 <pid> |
| 10:21.52 | Hape7 | i want write a bash script which restart one program |
| 10:22.03 | Hape7 | so PID is reliable |
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| 10:22.07 | babilen | Hape7: Take a look at pgrep/pkill too |
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| 10:22.32 | liable | if you have more than one instance of screen running, then it will be difficult |
| 10:22.35 | bunder | screen -ls should give you a list of pids |
| 10:22.38 | babilen | Hape7: yes, PID is reliable (it is a per-process unique ID; PID == *P*rocess *ID*) |
| 10:22.59 | Araneidae | babilen, here: http://paste.debian.net/62898/ |
| 10:23.09 | Araneidae | Looks ok to me |
| 10:23.49 | Araneidae | Oh, sorry, caught the update as well: the install is on line 27 |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | Araneidae: yeah - looks ok AFAICT |
| 10:25.29 | Araneidae | And the score, any idea what that might mean? |
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| 10:25.38 | shad0w_ | hi |
| 10:26.02 | shad0w_ | id like to passthrough pci device to virtualbox is there a way about that? |
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| 10:26.47 | babilen | Araneidae: The score is an arbitrary metric that captures the invasiveness of the operations aptitude will perform. It is calculated with a number of heuristics that penalises certain "destructive" operations (upgrades, removals, downgrades, ...) |
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| 10:27.16 | Araneidae | I have to confess I'm still a bit puzzled about the udev step |
| 10:27.43 | babilen | Araneidae: It's what aptitude uses to figure out the "best" (i.e. least destructive) operation to achieve the goal you stated (e.g. install a package) |
| 10:27.49 | flaccid | far out its hard to find deb packagers who can help |
| 10:28.28 | Araneidae | I've heard that apt can be persuaded to solve sudoku problems, with the right arrangement of .dpkgs! |
| 10:28.35 | babilen | Araneidae: And rightfully so. I had a user some days ago who installed the kernel manually (dpkg -i linux- ...), booted the new kernel and continued with upgrading udev. |
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| 10:29.11 | Araneidae | That's what dpkg recommends ... so the old udev is happy with a new kernel. |
| 10:29.20 | babilen | Araneidae: It *might* also work to override the safeguard (aptitude will tell you how) and install the kernel and udev *at the same time* and reboot then. |
| 10:29.38 | Araneidae | That's kind of what I'd rather do, think I'll try that. |
| 10:29.51 | Araneidae | Just wondering how deep a hole I'll fall into |
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| 10:30.01 | babilen | I really dislike that this step in the upgrade procedure is so, well, intimidating |
| 10:30.14 | babilen | Araneidae: It's a local machine? |
| 10:30.17 | Araneidae | Well, let's see what safe-upgrade has to say |
| 10:30.23 | Araneidae | Oh yes, and a brand new install too |
| 10:31.01 | CargolSS | are there any chart type for stock-market-data in gnumeric? |
| 10:31.07 | CargolSS | 10x' |
| 10:31.17 | babilen | You can always fire up a live cd and take it from there. I haven't evaluated the alternative upgrade methods myself, so I can just tell you what I have observed in this channel |
| 10:31.43 | Araneidae | Oooooh. safe-upgrade is *thinking* .... |
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| 10:31.51 | flo|linux | how can i resize my debian partitions..? i have the following layout: 50GB ntfs (windows, primary), 5GB ext3 (linux,primary), 200MB swap (logical) |
| 10:32.06 | flo|linux | i need to make windows smaller and linux bigger... is that possible..? |
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| 10:32.24 | Araneidae | Huh. udev is one of the packages kept back |
| 10:32.29 | Araneidae | Not so clever |
| 10:32.37 | babilen | Araneidae: You *definitely* need to upgrade your kernel and udev *and* reboot during the installation. I would 1. Upgrade aptitude 2. upgrade kernel 3. reboot 4. upgrade udev 5. upgrade the rest |
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| 10:32.48 | Araneidae | Yes. |
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| 10:33.10 | flo|linux | i think i have some program that can also move partitions, but will linux "survive" that? |
| 10:33.10 | babilen | Araneidae: Or try upgrading the kernel and udev at the same time. Paste the output here, so we can have a look |
| 10:33.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:33.30 | Araneidae | ok |
| 10:33.32 | flo|linux | grub is installed in that second partition, and in the MBR of the disk |
| 10:33.37 | babilen | Araneidae: here == pastebin ;) |
| 10:33.55 | Araneidae | What, no floods? |
| 10:34.10 | wols_ | babilen: people who want to run squeeze must know this. if it is intimidating them, they have no business running testing |
| 10:34.39 | Araneidae | Hmm. How *do* I upgrade the kernel?! Which package is it? |
| 10:34.53 | wols_ | and another one |
| 10:34.53 | Araneidae | linux-image? |
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| 10:35.24 | babilen | Araneidae: yes |
| 10:35.26 | Araneidae | wols_, of course I know about pastebin. As for the precise name of the dpkg, sorry, my memory is crap |
| 10:35.37 | wols_ | Araneidae: huh? |
| 10:35.49 | simonrvn | !search |
| 10:35.49 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 10:36.19 | Araneidae | Sorry, I was taking "and another one" after "no business running testing" as referring to me :( |
| 10:36.38 | babilen | wols_: I agree - It's still not a great upgrade experience and something that needs to be fixed/eased/properly documented before squeeze is released IMHO |
| 10:36.39 | wols_ | Araneidae: yes, you have no business running testing as your questions clearly show |
| 10:36.52 | Araneidae | Bullshit |
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| 10:37.13 | wols_ | babilen: well, right now there is no need to change it. it has to be changed when testing is frozen, yes, but not before |
| 10:37.24 | babilen | wols_: exactly |
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| 10:38.23 | n0ta | Hi, when i want to change my php.ini file (php5) which file should i edit: /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini or /etc/php5/cli/php.ini ? :) |
| 10:38.36 | Araneidae | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/62899/ -- doesn't look to me like linux-image is the right package |
| 10:38.51 | wols_ | none: php for what exactly? |
| 10:39.28 | wols_ | babilen: you have a fun day before with that one |
| 10:39.42 | wols_ | n0ta: php for what exactly? |
| 10:39.42 | babilen | Araneidae: well - The package name starts with linux-image ;) |
| 10:40.05 | babilen | wols_: *sigh* - probably true :( |
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| 10:40.10 | n0ta | i'm installing phpsysinfo, where i need to do this: - make sure your 'php.ini' file's include_path entry contains "." |
| 10:40.13 | Araneidae | babilen, oh well. I'll dig deeper: I was hoping for a meta package with the right behaviour |
| 10:40.30 | geroff | hi i am upgrading from postgres 8.1 to 8.3 but i get: Error: specified cluster is not running |
| 10:41.05 | babilen | Araneidae: Search for it, take a look at the packages and figure it out. (Hint: 'aptitude search "~i~n^linux-image"') |
| 10:41.10 | geroff | pg_upgradecluster -v 8.3 8.1 main this is the command i ran |
| 10:41.44 | wols_ | n0ta: is this phpsysinfo run inside apache with the apache php5 module? |
| 10:41.46 | Araneidae | Well, I have two linux-image packages installed: linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 10:42.24 | n0ta | not sure to be honest. I'm just trying to install phpsysinfo.. you can see errors here: http://geekx.net/sysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic |
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| 10:43.21 | Araneidae | Aha: linux-image-2.6-686 is the metapacakge |
| 10:43.28 | babilen | Araneidae: yes. come on ... it's not that hard to figure out the relationship between them. I am also not in the mood to hold you hand through the complete upgrade. Try to solve as many things yourself, google for information, use tools like aptitude, apt-cache, apt-file, ..., to analyse the situation and take resonsible actions |
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| 10:44.02 | Araneidae | Ok babilen, you've been very helpful up to now, and I've only been moderately stupid |
| 10:44.08 | babilen | hehe |
| 10:44.24 | Araneidae | wols_ offended me, and that was stupidest of all :( |
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| 10:44.57 | babilen | let's not get into that |
| 10:45.13 | Araneidae | quite so, my fault |
| 10:45.19 | Araneidae | How about this one: http://paste.debian.net/62901/ |
| 10:46.07 | Araneidae | Looks like we get 2.6.32 and udev together, I'm happy to go with that |
| 10:46.22 | babilen | ok |
| 10:46.52 | ben_b | why must the pass phrase the wireless network be defined in both wpa_supplicant and /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:47.11 | babilen | The scary part will come now. I told you how you could solve that. (manual install of linux-image-foo-bar / override safeguard) |
| 10:47.42 | Araneidae | Ah, think I didn't get that bit |
| 10:47.58 | stuckey | Does ffmpeg have H264 support in debian? |
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| 10:48.13 | babilen | ben_b: If you use roaming mode, you will have something like "wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" in your /e/n/i and your wireless networks are configured in that file |
| 10:48.14 | Araneidae | In fact, I still don't: aren't we already getting a new linux-image? |
| 10:48.40 | babilen | Araneidae: Try that step |
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| 10:49.06 | babilen | Araneidae: If it succeeds -> great + reboot; if not -> solve it |
| 10:49.26 | Araneidae | Ok. It;s doing its thing now |
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| 10:49.33 | Araneidae | Ah, I see |
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| 10:49.52 | Delf | Mao |
| 10:50.01 | gothenburg | cam? |
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| 10:50.28 | simonrvn | stuckey: h264 is non-free IIRC, you'll have to get it from dmm |
| 10:50.56 | Delf | is x264 free? |
| 10:51.10 | stuckey | simonrvn: I'm trying to get gnash to work, and they said I need ffmpeg with h264 support. Do you know which package I need? |
| 10:51.25 | simonrvn | certanly not the ecoders |
| 10:51.40 | simonrvn | meh |
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| 10:52.24 | simonrvn | certainly not the encoders |
| 10:52.27 | wols_ | Delf: x264 is patented with a limited (2014 I think) exemption for decoding |
| 10:52.29 | simonrvn | stuckey: no |
| 10:52.54 | wols_ | stuckey: your best bet is to get ffmpeg from dmm |
| 10:53.08 | Araneidae | babilen, I guess this is as you said: http://paste.debian.net/62902/ |
| 10:53.21 | babilen | Araneidae: yep |
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| 10:53.51 | Araneidae | udev cravenly refused to install. Suspect though it's good enough: presumably the rest of the system will work with the new kernel (well, except for my graphics card :( ) |
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| 10:54.35 | babilen | Araneidae: reboot, continue |
| 10:54.35 | Araneidae | Would you recommend `install -f udev`, or a reboot first? |
| 10:54.38 | Araneidae | ok |
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| 10:58.43 | Araneidae | Looking good |
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| 10:59.48 | stuckey | aptitude install -t debian-multimedia ffmpeg <--- need to do that if I have debian-multimedia pinned lower than regular? |
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| 11:00.33 | stuckey | wols_: installed ffmpeg from dmm. still nothing in youtube |
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| 11:01.46 | Araneidae | babilen, safe-upgrade thinks mightily and decides to upgrade everything except epiphany! |
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| 11:02.09 | babilen | ... well, there is always full-upgrade ;) |
| 11:02.23 | Araneidae | It won't have much to do :) |
| 11:02.42 | Araneidae | I wonder why epiphany gets left out? |
| 11:03.14 | babilen | probably because some packages need to be removed in order to upgrade epiphany - run full-upgrade and compare |
| 11:03.15 | Araneidae | I'm amazed the kernel upgrade was so smooth, what with sysfs in constant flux |
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| 11:06.03 | Araneidae | ah well, I don't care. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:06.18 | sanvy | hi all |
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| 11:07.50 | sanvy | sorry i'm having trouble using a debian based on freerunner... it is not able to load .ko modules with insmod... dmesg says "No modules found in object", but yesterday i tried the same files on another debian based ant it worked |
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| 11:08.05 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 11:08.05 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 11:08.32 | bunder | if i screw up a config, i'm supposed to use "dpkg-reconfigure <program name>", right? |
| 11:08.37 | sanvy | ah sorry wols_ |
| 11:08.49 | babilen | !tell bunder -about confmiss |
| 11:08.49 | wols_ | bunder: depends a bit how you screw up, but generally yes |
| 11:09.06 | babilen | bunder: You can follow that factoid to get the configuration as shipped in the package |
| 11:09.34 | babilen | bunder: or just reconfigure the package |
| 11:10.25 | bunder | hm, because i tried that on a few packages and it didn't take |
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| 11:12.34 | Araneidae | Wish my network connection was faster: the downloads for the upgrade is going to take me an hour. |
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| 11:16.01 | Vmanz | how fst is your network connection |
| 11:16.55 | Araneidae | Slow. 250kB/s (2.5Mb) and it's maxed out |
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| 11:18.46 | CargolSS | does anyone experiece crashes in Blender 2.4.6-2.4.9 when trying to render? |
| 11:19.31 | wols_ | ,versions blender |
| 11:19.32 | judd | blender -- etch-security: 2.42a-7.1+etch1; etch: 2.42a-8; etch-backports: 2.45-1~bpo40-1; lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; sid: 2.49.2~dfsg-1+b1; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-1+b1; experimental: 2.50~alpha~0~svn24834-1 |
| 11:20.23 | CargolSS | 2.46 Lenny |
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| 11:29.34 | jmd | I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade . For some bizarre reason I keep getting prompted to enter a password. What password is it expecting and why? |
| 11:30.16 | f3xy | you sure it isn't prompting you for the root password? |
| 11:30.52 | gizmore | how to enable apache mod rewrite? is there a package? |
| 11:30.58 | babilen | jmd: It might be an alias with sudo - enter 'alias' to find out. It shouldn't ask you about a password. Also: Use aptitude |
| 11:31.11 | babilen | gizmore: a2enmod (check apache docs) |
| 11:31.27 | gizmore | babilen: ok, will check, thank you |
| 11:31.47 | wols_ | jmd: full message |
| 11:32.08 | jmd | wols_, The full message is "Password: " |
| 11:32.28 | wols_ | jmd: pastebin |
| 11:32.48 | jmd | The root one doesn't seem to be right. Consequently these packages fail to install. |
| 11:32.57 | wols_ | an I doubt that "password" is all that is on screen |
| 11:33.05 | wols_ | WHICH packages? |
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| 11:33.24 | babilen | jmd: Try your users password, also pastebin the complete output, check you bash aliases and use aptitude |
| 11:33.45 | wols_ | babilen: blindly entering any password without knowing for what is a very very stupid idea to suggest |
| 11:34.15 | wols_ | that's how phishers make their money |
| 11:34.18 | jmd | babilen, Yes, that worries me too. |
| 11:34.56 | babilen | wols_, jmd: well i asked about bash aliases and complete output. But you are right ... |
| 11:35.21 | wols_ | jmd: we're still waiting |
| 11:35.47 | jmd | Here's the output of one such example: http://pastebin.ca/1826787 |
| 11:36.53 | jmd | The only active alias is alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 11:37.07 | macquetero | hi everyone |
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| 11:44.33 | bolt | geeqie has suddenly sprouted 6 checkboxes in the top of the image list, and 6 checkboxes under each image. they can be used for sorting, it seems, but i don't want them. is there a way to toggle them off? |
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| 11:45.03 | mobidev | hi |
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| 11:45.23 | wols_ | bolt: greasemonkey if you ues firefox. but this is not a debian related problem |
| 11:45.34 | ax-ax | hey |
| 11:45.53 | bolt | ?! |
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| 11:46.51 | ax-ax | can't i configure a network interface to have dhcp for everything except ip address? |
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| 11:47.13 | wols_ | ax-ax: I think yes. dhcp.conf |
| 11:47.36 | ax-ax | /etc/samba/dhcp.conf? |
| 11:47.46 | wols_ | no |
| 11:48.01 | wols_ | dhclient.conf, sorry |
| 11:48.06 | Araneidae | presumably /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 11:49.03 | Araneidae | Huh. A bit different from how the busybox dhcp client works! |
| 11:49.19 | ax-ax | hm |
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| 11:49.39 | ax-ax | how do i do it without breaking everything? ;) |
| 11:49.55 | jmd | ax-ax, You probably can't. |
| 11:49.56 | Araneidae | My strongest system configuration experience is with busybox, debian is just a hobby, hence my ragged questions. |
| 11:50.37 | ax-ax | jmd; well, that's optimistic :s |
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| 11:50.53 | jmd | If you ignore the IP address handed to you by the dhcp server, then it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't get any packets routed. |
| 11:51.13 | Araneidae | Does seem an odd thing to want to do. |
| 11:52.38 | ax-ax | jmd; then how can i bind my computer (on a local network) to a certain address? (i've done it before :() |
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| 11:53.22 | Araneidae | ax-ax, by editing /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:53.55 | jmd | ax-ax, Sure you can do it. But if the router expects that you have a certain address, and you've gone and bound it to another .... |
| 11:54.26 | ax-ax | Araneidae: yes, but it does not seem to care about that.. i'm probably doing something wrong |
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| 11:54.43 | Araneidae | In fact, that reminds me. This machine isn't supposed to be on dhcp, I've got to do that as well. |
| 11:54.59 | jmd | reboots |
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| 11:56.07 | Araneidae | ax-ax, I presume you did `/etc/init.d/networking restart` after editing? |
| 11:56.33 | ax-ax | "iface eth1 inet dhcp" and then "address 192.168.7.99" doesn't work |
| 11:56.34 | Araneidae | Pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces, maybe? |
| 11:56.50 | Araneidae | No, it wouldn't |
| 11:57.08 | Araneidae | I can't remember the syntax offhand, but check `man 5 interfaces` |
| 11:57.16 | ax-ax | i'm reading it |
| 11:57.28 | Araneidae | I'll hunt out a static IP example... |
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| 11:57.47 | ax-ax | but it seems to want fully static (with awful lot of options) OR dhcp |
| 11:58.08 | Araneidae | Yes, that's absolutely true, I'm afraid |
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| 11:58.24 | ax-ax | I want dhcp, but I'd prefer to have the same ip :( |
| 11:58.29 | Araneidae | But you only really need to specify address, mask and gateway |
| 11:58.30 | wols_ | ax-ax: it's 4-5 lines tops |
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| 11:58.59 | ax-ax | I have done it (static address, rest dhcp) before |
| 11:59.13 | ax-ax | can't remember how, though |
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| 11:59.32 | wols_ | to do it with interfaces(5) you need pre-up or post-up scripts depending |
| 11:59.52 | Araneidae | Here's mine (; instead of newline): 'auto eth0; iface 3th0 inet static; address 10.0.0.105; netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 10.0.0.2' |
| 12:00.11 | Araneidae | s/3th0/eth0/ |
| 12:00.16 | Araneidae | s/;/\n/ |
| 12:00.52 | ax-ax | well |
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| 12:01.12 | Araneidae | Obviously put sensible address/netmask/gateway values in! |
| 12:01.16 | ax-ax | how do i check what my current gateway is? |
| 12:01.21 | Araneidae | route |
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| 12:01.38 | Araneidae | /sbin/route -n |
| 12:02.13 | ax-ax | ehm |
| 12:02.35 | ax-ax | there's Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 12:02.38 | Araneidae | It's the line with destination 0.0.0.0 and the Gateway column you want |
| 12:02.44 | ax-ax | ah ok |
| 12:03.09 | Araneidae | And you get your mask from /sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:04.07 | ax-ax | ifconfig eth1 | grep Mask ? |
| 12:04.20 | ax-ax | the last value seems to be netmask |
| 12:04.36 | Araneidae | Yes, the field starting Mask: |
| 12:04.40 | ax-ax | great |
| 12:04.59 | Araneidae | I'm guessing it's 255.255.0.0 from your address |
| 12:05.21 | Araneidae | Huh: where'd dpkg go? |
| 12:05.25 | ax-ax | also, (kinda unrelated), where do i set up dns? |
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| 12:06.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | to mount an ntfs partition on debian lenny should I just modify fstab or is there a debian way to do this? |
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| 12:07.10 | Araneidae | Aha. Look for named(8), configured in /etc/bind. It's fiddly, best hunt out a howto I'd guess |
| 12:08.30 | Araneidae | Wow: even Debian is switching to dash as sh! |
| 12:08.41 | ax-ax | i'll try to restart it now (godspeed) |
| 12:08.43 | Araneidae | applauds half heartedly |
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| 12:11.09 | ax-ax | well, I seem to have .99 as address now |
| 12:11.16 | ax-ax | thank you |
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| 12:11.35 | Araneidae | Excellent |
| 12:12.32 | Araneidae | At long last: my safe-upgrade proceeds... |
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| 12:13.42 | bunder | i must be dumb or something, uninstall apache2 and purge it, delete /etc/apache2, reinstall it and i have no config files |
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| 12:14.01 | babilen | !tell bunder -about confmiss |
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| 12:14.24 | bunder | i tried confmiss too, sadly |
| 12:14.35 | bunder | i'll try it again though |
| 12:14.47 | babilen | do that :) |
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| 12:18.02 | bunder | nope, still nothing :( |
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| 12:18.26 | flo|linux | i have grub installed in MBR and it loads from hda2. now i want to shrink hda1 and move hda2 towards the beginning of my HD |
| 12:18.31 | flo|linux | will that cause problems with grub? |
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| 12:18.36 | flo|linux | or will it just work? |
| 12:18.38 | petemc | bunder: you probably want apache2.2-common |
| 12:18.48 | flo|linux | or do i have to reinstall grub or do other funy things? |
| 12:19.21 | dutchfish | flo|linux: as long as you can run update-grub and it recognizes all partition you are good |
| 12:19.52 | dutchfish | flo|linux: but ... backup backup ;) |
| 12:20.02 | bunder | petemc: that was the one i needed to reinstall, thanks |
| 12:20.17 | flo|linux | dutchfish, well, i'm doing this from a gparted livecd. |
| 12:20.30 | dutchfish | flo|linux: ah, ok |
| 12:20.30 | flo|linux | and for update-grub i would have to boot debian again, right? |
| 12:20.40 | flo|linux | and that would be hard if it doesn't boot anymore :/ |
| 12:20.44 | dutchfish | flo|linux: or chroot into it |
| 12:20.44 | babilen | bunder: You might want to check out apti-file and dpkg -L |
| 12:20.51 | petemc | bunder: you can check which packages owns which file with dpkg -S |
| 12:20.53 | babilen | bunder: apt-file that is |
| 12:20.56 | flo|linux | that's possible. |
| 12:20.56 | petemc | or apt-file if not installed |
| 12:21.08 | flo|linux | dutchfish, so, which steps should i do? |
| 12:21.19 | flo|linux | 1) apply the new partition layout in gparted |
| 12:21.20 | flo|linux | 2) ? |
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| 12:21.49 | flo|linux | mount debian's / partition, chroot into it and execute update-grub? |
| 12:21.51 | flo|linux | is that all? |
| 12:21.55 | dutchfish | flo|linux: backup, do the partition shrink/moves, mount the one with / and chroot into it, update-grub |
| 12:22.30 | dutchfish | flo|linux: i think so, yes |
| 12:22.40 | flo|linux | ok, cool, thanks |
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| 12:23.02 | flo|linux | can i boot a rescue system from the debian netinst cd in emergency case? |
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| 12:23.47 | dutchfish | flo|linux: maybe it is easier to have a livecd at hand, just in case |
| 12:24.28 | flo|linux | i have |
| 12:24.42 | dutchfish | flo|linux: and backup first ;) |
| 12:24.45 | flo|linux | several knoppixes, gparted, debian netinst, ubuntu livecd, whatever you want =) |
| 12:24.46 | flo|linux | i did |
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| 12:25.06 | flo|linux | [processing] |
| 12:25.36 | flo|linux | i'm afk for a while. i'll let you now if you crashed my system -> ;) <- |
| 12:26.30 | Araneidae | python2.5 on squeeze? Isn't that a bit behind the times? |
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| 12:26.59 | petemc | !python2.6 |
| 12:27.00 | dpkg | python 2.6 is, like, a work in progress. Changes to the underlying python module layout makes for a lot of work to get everything to work nicely with this version. The python2.6 package is now available in sid and squeeze for further testing and all modules are being updated to support it. Around 450 packages need to be binNMUd and python2.4 needs to be removed before python 2.6 can become the default python in squeeze. |
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| 12:27.41 | Araneidae | Ta |
| 12:27.52 | babilen | ... not to mention poltical reasons :-\ |
| 12:28.06 | babilen | Araneidae: You can easily install py2.6 on squeeze now |
| 12:29.50 | Araneidae | Not yet I can't (it's still safe-upgrade'ing) |
| 12:30.13 | Araneidae | Huh: I thought 2.5 -> 2.6 was relatively painless? |
| 12:30.52 | Araneidae | Still I guess all large projects acquire politics, and big software projects certainly do |
| 12:31.54 | babilen | Araneidae: Read some threads on the debian-python ML if you want more information. |
| 12:32.12 | Araneidae | Thanks, guess I will |
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| 12:41.55 | Araneidae | That's *much* more like it |
| 12:42.12 | Araneidae | Now xrandr reports something *sensible* for my monitor |
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| 12:49.34 | alecs1 | hi, could someone help me with the commands for downloading grub from the bazaar repository? (http://savannah.gnu.org/bzr/?group=grub) |
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| 12:50.30 | azeem | alecs1: #savannah or #grub, probably |
| 12:50.43 | abrotman | seems pretty straightforward |
| 12:51.20 | lazy^ | Evening, i'm running CUPSD on my home-server. When i'm trying to print from my desktop debian, printing app prompts Authentication screen. I've allowed printing from LAN's ip-addresses. Where i can disable this authentication screen ? |
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| 12:52.25 | in-system | hi all |
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| 12:52.36 | Ssmario2 | alecs1: bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ |
| 12:52.49 | Araneidae | upgrade-from-grub-legacy has a nasty graphical glitch on its prompt: instead of showing <Ok> <Cancel> it shows <Ok ^Qï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½Ä ^Q> (where those are ? in diamonds for me) |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | Ssmario2: yeah .. great, you just repeated the web page .. i think he can read that much |
| 12:53.55 | abrotman | Araneidae: i noticed the same thing the other day on one of my machines here .. are you running it from the console or an xterm ? |
| 12:54.03 | felipe | Ssmario2: would you mind if I msg'ed you with a small offtopic question regarding representation of numbers in arabic? |
| 12:54.14 | Araneidae | abrotman, in an xterm |
| 12:54.21 | Araneidae | in a gnome-terminal, I suspect |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | Araneidae: that was where i also noticed it .. i wonder if there's a font or encoding issue .. i haven't looked into it very closely |
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| 12:54.50 | Ssmario2 | abrotman: nop in the savannah web page they point to http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub |
| 12:55.06 | Araneidae | I guess it's worth reporting. What's the mechanism? |
| 12:55.26 | Ssmario2 | felipe: yes |
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| 12:55.38 | alecs1 | abrotman: actually Ssmario helped me, I kept trying with branch, pull and checkout on the wrong place |
| 12:55.56 | Ssmario2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.13 | abrotman | alecs1: you probably want to ask #grub, but are you trying to use grub1 or grub2 ? I don't think grub1 is supported upstream anymore |
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| 12:56.53 | Evet | how to aptitude install with "no config file" parameter? |
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| 12:57.09 | Ssmario2 | alecs1: you are downloading grub2 if you want grub legacy you should try http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub-legacy/ |
| 12:57.24 | alecs1 | grub2, I'm trying to do what the guy at #572386 told me |
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| 12:57.50 | babilen | abrotman, Araneidae: It's a reported bug (#571044) UNFUCKED on #d-d |
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| 12:59.07 | Araneidae | Splendid! This one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571044 ? |
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| 12:59.20 | abrotman | alecs1: oh .. hold on .. he may mean the debian tree, not the upstream tree |
| 12:59.37 | abrotman | alecs1: http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-grub/ |
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| 13:00.12 | abrotman | babilen: oddly, hadn't noticed on other machines .. but okay! |
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| 13:01.01 | abrotman | alecs1: i'd imagine that's what he's really asking you to use .. you may want to respond back to the bug and verify that's what he's asking you to do |
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| 13:01.32 | alecs1 | ah, I see |
| 13:01.45 | babilen | Araneidae: yes - that one |
| 13:01.59 | alecs1 | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:03.29 | sxp | I have grub v 1.97 beta 3. How can I disable the message "Minimal BASH-like line editting is supported" when my PC starts? |
| 13:03.40 | sxp | my PC boots lower when that thing happend. I always see that message... |
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| 13:04.10 | GPenguin_ | !seen enough |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'enough', GPenguin_ |
| 13:04.19 | GPenguin_ | !seen enouf |
| 13:04.19 | dpkg | GPenguin_: i haven't seen 'enouf' |
| 13:04.23 | GPenguin_ | ... |
| 13:04.23 | abrotman | GPenguin_: please stop |
| 13:04.31 | GPenguin_ | abrotman: my arse, you again |
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| 13:04.38 | azeem | ... |
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| 13:04.43 | babilen | wtf? |
| 13:04.45 | nvz | haha |
| 13:05.07 | nvz | something tells me he wasnt happy to see abrotman |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | or enouf sent him here ... |
| 13:05.23 | jmd | I ran grub-update-legacy like I was instructed to by apt-get uprade, and now I can't boot. How do I undo this? |
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| 13:13.58 | jelly-hme | jmd: you were instructed to run it _after confirming grub2 works_ |
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| 13:14.52 | jmd | jelly-hme, Indeed. and it did seem to work. So I ran it. |
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| 13:15.43 | jelly-hme | jmd: ok. How does the machine fail to boot now? |
| 13:15.52 | Araneidae | What's a simple way to test sound? |
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| 13:16.08 | jmd | The problem is, the instructions didn't actually explain what was meant by "works". |
| 13:16.11 | jelly-hme | !tell Araneidae about speaker-test |
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| 13:16.38 | Araneidae | dpkg is such a font of information! thanks |
| 13:16.39 | dpkg | Araneidae: i haven't a clue |
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| 13:17.06 | Araneidae | Wasn't talking to you ;^) |
| 13:17.06 | jmd | jelly-hme, It says: "GRUB Loading stage1.5\n\nGRUB loading, please wait...\nError 15" and does nothing. |
| 13:18.03 | Araneidae | That's just excellent! I like the voice (and my balance seems wonky) |
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| 13:20.00 | jelly-hme | jmd: does grub.cfg point to the correct device for your /boot/ files? Note that in grub2, partitions are numbered starting from 1, not 0 like before |
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| 13:21.30 | jmd | jelly-hme, I've no idea. I can't boot in order to find that out. |
| 13:21.49 | jelly-hme | jmd: use a livecd |
| 13:22.09 | jmd | Yeah, I'm trying to find one now. |
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| 13:25.21 | jmd | Looks like I'll have to burn a new disk. What's the best image to use? |
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| 13:26.21 | o2T7 | Hi. after an upgrade alsamixer shows a "This sound device does not have any playback controls" message. What's the problem? Does anybody know about this? |
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| 13:27.05 | Araneidae | jmd, http://live.debian.net/ looks sensible, presumably you'd want a rescue.iso ? |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | the installer can be used as a rescue disk |
| 13:28.51 | Araneidae | Guess I'd better test I'm ok too! I've also run upgrade-from-grub-legacy after a successful reboot after upgrade ... but not rebooted again afterwards yet. |
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| 13:29.44 | o2T7 | btw, this is squeeze |
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| 13:31.05 | jmd | Araneidae, Thanks. |
| 13:31.09 | rgr | jelly-hme: heh, the gtub renumbering was meant to help. Its caused more hassle that a fox in a chicken run. |
| 13:31.14 | rgr | grub even |
| 13:31.38 | Araneidae | Works fine for me, I'm happy to say |
| 13:31.50 | rgr | jmd: I use sysrescue - well thought of. |
| 13:31.57 | Araneidae | I do get a storm of udev messages during boot, trying to find them |
| 13:32.39 | flo|linux | does the debian stock kernel support modesetting? |
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| 13:33.06 | jmd | What's the simplest tool to use for burning CDs ? |
| 13:33.30 | flo|linux | brasero is quite nice jmd |
| 13:33.38 | Araneidae | Where the devil are they? Lots of messages which I can't remember, but they were definitely about udev, flooded past during early boot -- but they're not in dmesg, /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog |
| 13:33.38 | babilen | jmd: growisofs/wodim maybe? |
| 13:33.40 | o2T7 | okay, i got it, alsamixer was selecting a usb device as audio card instead of the right one. |
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| 13:34.11 | abrotman | jmd: wodim is a console burner |
| 13:34.14 | Araneidae | Ah. They *are* in syslog after all |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | !burniso |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | hmm... burniso is wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 13:34.32 | jmd | abrotman, It burns consoles !! ? |
| 13:34.36 | Araneidae | Lots of these: ar 7 12:35:51 uranus udevd[30340]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules:71 |
| 13:34.53 | abrotman | jmd: incinerator really .. :) |
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| 13:37.56 | Araneidae | Does that mean that xserver-xorg-input-wacom is out of date (and all the others, too)? |
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| 13:39.53 | Fringe | anyone can tell me how to get this fix... http://pastebin.com/VnQ3pB8k |
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| 13:40.35 | abrotman | Fringe: you're not root |
| 13:40.47 | Fringe | i am root |
| 13:40.50 | abrotman | Fringe: did you remove your dpkg directory ? |
| 13:40.51 | Fringe | when doing this |
| 13:40.52 | Araneidae | How did you launch the program (aptitude?) |
| 13:41.27 | wols_ | Fringe: does /var/lib/dpkg/ exist? |
| 13:41.31 | abrotman | Fringe: in a pastebin; "uname -a;dpkg -l dpkg; ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 13:41.41 | Fringe | it doesn't |
| 13:41.42 | Araneidae | What does this program say: [ -d /var/lib/dpkg ] || echo oh dear oh dear |
| 13:41.46 | Fringe | that why i am asking |
| 13:41.49 | Fringe | i think it was remove |
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| 13:42.19 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 13:42.27 | Carlitos__ | I am getting a little problem I guess |
| 13:42.39 | Araneidae | wonders how to recover from a lost /var/lib/dpkg |
| 13:42.41 | Fringe | my real question .. should have been how to replace dpkg |
| 13:42.45 | abrotman | Fringe: in a pastebin; "uname -a;dpkg -l dpkg; ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/" |
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| 13:43.13 | Carlitos__ | I install php5 and apache2 in localhost I can see my web pages but is from another place it can see |
| 13:43.18 | Carlitos__ | any help about this ? |
| 13:43.34 | wols_ | Carlitos__: you have a router? |
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| 13:44.17 | Carlitos__ | wols_: yeah port are open , I can access to ssh with no problem |
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| 13:44.41 | nvz | right, ssh and apache2 run on the same port. |
| 13:44.46 | wols_ | Carlitos__: sometimes ISPs, or even the router maker, forbids connections on port 8080 |
| 13:44.51 | wols_ | port 80 |
| 13:44.52 | Carlitos__ | no different port |
| 13:44.53 | Fringe | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/MsXkuG9J |
| 13:45.03 | nvz | I was being sarcastic |
| 13:45.14 | wols_ | try to portforward port 8080 to your webserver port80 and try again |
| 13:45.25 | Carlitos__ | in apache config |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | Fringe: why in the world did you remove that directory ? |
| 13:45.50 | Araneidae | Fringe, abrotman, ouch. |
| 13:45.58 | wols_ | abrotman: it took a lot of hdd space! |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | i bet ... |
| 13:46.09 | Fringe | it was a typo |
| 13:46.14 | Fringe | i was removing the lock |
| 13:46.15 | abrotman | that's a hell of a typo |
| 13:46.29 | Fringe | in /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 13:46.34 | abrotman | and the -rf magically appeared ? |
| 13:46.36 | Fringe | and hit backspace to many times |
| 13:46.53 | nvz | time to restore your backup |
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| 13:47.33 | Araneidae | Well, Fringe, one good thing: you've not lost any user or other configuration data. |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | Fringe: you can recover .. but it's not easy ... |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | Fringe: first step is recreating that directory |
| 13:48.10 | Araneidae | is fascinated to know what's possible in this situation |
| 13:48.14 | Carlitos__ | # Include ports listing |
| 13:48.15 | Carlitos__ | Include /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 13:48.21 | Carlitos__ | I changen listen 8080 |
| 13:48.27 | Fringe | ok |
| 13:48.29 | Carlitos__ | but now I can access localhost |
| 13:48.39 | wols_ | Carlitos__: you need to change your router portforward too |
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| 13:48.47 | Fringe | soo there is no tar.gz of dpkg to restore it |
| 13:48.48 | abrotman | Fringe: you'll have to under that create: alternatives,info,parts,triggers,updates |
| 13:48.56 | abrotman | Fringe: no .. you did a very bad bad thing |
| 13:49.00 | Carlitos__ | ok |
| 13:49.02 | Fringe | omg |
| 13:49.10 | nvz | Fringe: that directory contains tons of info specific to your machine. |
| 13:49.19 | Fringe | warned about backspacing to much |
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| 13:49.41 | abrotman | !tell Fringe about very fubar status |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | !tell Fringe about very fubar status file |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | duh |
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| 13:50.18 | abrotman | Fringe: do you have anything in /var/backups/ ? before we go through all the rebuilding |
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| 13:50.39 | Agiofws | can someone tell me whats wrong here ? |
| 13:50.41 | Agiofws | ffmpeg: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavdevice.so.52: no version information available (required by ffmpeg) |
| 13:51.09 | Fringe | dpkg.status.0 |
| 13:51.12 | Fringe | and some others |
| 13:51.33 | abrotman | Fringe: that's a start .. you can use those files to put them back in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | Fringe: i'd have to know what they are before oyu dump them all in there |
| 13:52.37 | jmd | Err.. What's the root password of the liveCD ? |
| 13:52.48 | Fringe | http://pastebin.com/W2ZVdRVc |
| 13:52.48 | Carlitos__ | all ports are open |
| 13:52.48 | nvz | jmd: sudo su |
| 13:53.15 | Agiofws | can anyone help me pls? |
| 13:53.23 | nvz | jmd: works on most livecds |
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| 13:53.24 | Bastihase | no time sry |
| 13:53.26 | Bastihase | :) |
| 13:54.04 | jmd | nvz, Thanks. |
| 13:54.05 | Fringe | abrotman pastebin shows what is there |
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| 13:54.16 | abrotman | Fringe: just that dpkg.status.0 .. i don't think the others are going to help you |
| 13:54.29 | jmd | So now that I can inspect the hard disk. How do I fix grub? |
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| 13:55.39 | Fringe | ok |
| 13:55.43 | htk_ | is there a way of configuration new VM without touching it (like hostname, interfaces, resolv.conf etc.) |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | Fringe: for the rest, you'll probably want to do something like: aptitude reinstall "~i!~M" ... i think i got that right |
| 13:56.48 | htk_ | i'm creating VMs under virtualbox and configuring each time these vms really pain |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | Fringe: you may still notice some other wonkiness (technical term, patent pending) .. but that should get you fairly back in shape |
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| 13:57.19 | Fringe | aptitude reinstall "~i!~M" |
| 13:57.22 | Fringe | is that the full command |
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| 13:57.26 | Fringe | because it doesn't work |
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| 13:57.53 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 13:58.25 | themill | abrotman: probably need to reinstall the automatically installed packages too btw |
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| 13:58.50 | Fringe | aptitude reinstall "~i!~M" |
| 13:58.50 | Fringe | bash: !~M": event not found |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | Fringe: aptitude reinstall "~i" .. yay themill |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | themill: see .. totally wasn't thinking :) |
| 13:59.49 | themill | abrotman: also, use '..' not ".." so that bash doesn't eat the ! |
| 13:59.59 | simonrvn | mind reader |
| 14:00.06 | nvz | haha |
| 14:00.07 | themill | nom nom nom |
| 14:00.27 | abrotman | i thought it was "" .. still too foggy! |
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| 14:00.43 | jmd | OK. So I re-installed grub1 and now it chainloads grub2 and seems to boot properly. Is it safe now to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy or will that break my system again? |
| 14:00.44 | themill | !coffee abrotman |
| 14:00.45 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Colombian for abrotman, courtesy of themill |
| 14:00.52 | abrotman | more like ... shower .. |
| 14:01.00 | simonrvn | shell quotes are like perl's, think of it that way if it helps ;) |
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| 14:01.28 | nvz | pours coffee on abrotman's head |
| 14:01.31 | Fringe | i am still recieving an error |
| 14:01.35 | nvz | shower? |
| 14:01.43 | Fringe | http://pastebin.com/p1FpFpAV |
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| 14:01.57 | Fringe | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:02.00 | Fringe | is missing |
| 14:02.20 | abrotman | Fringe: did you copy the file from the backups back into the /var/lib/dpkg/ directory ? |
| 14:02.33 | Fringe | yip |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | and name it correctly ? |
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| 14:03.35 | Fringe | yea |
| 14:03.36 | huglester | Hello guys. after I installed the custom kernel 2.6.33. When system starts I get:ifdown: failed to lock statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: Permission denied. If I do for example: /etc/init.d/cron start I get this error: "/usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 32524: Function not implemented". Can someone point me what shoudl I do? Thank you very much |
| 14:03.42 | Fringe | i renamed it to dkpg.status |
| 14:03.45 | huglester | I also googled, but non result helped me :( |
| 14:03.50 | Fringe | dpkg.status |
| 14:04.06 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 14:04.14 | abrotman | Fringe: wrong .. /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:04.26 | Fringe | soo the file |
| 14:04.39 | Fringe | should have been place into /var/dpkg/status |
| 14:05.15 | abrotman | no |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | what did i just type ? |
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| 14:06.13 | jelly-hme | "no" |
| 14:06.24 | Fringe | u just did mv /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 /var/lib/dpkg |
| 14:06.28 | Fringe | i get what u mean now |
| 14:06.31 | Fringe | soo i have fix it |
| 14:06.34 | Fringe | seem to be running |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | and you should have done a copy |
| 14:06.34 | Fringe | now |
| 14:06.37 | Fringe | i will check |
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| 14:06.44 | Fringe | u are correct |
| 14:06.46 | babilen | !tell Fringe -about status recovery |
| 14:06.48 | Fringe | i did use cp |
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| 14:06.55 | babilen | (in case you haven't read that) |
| 14:07.05 | Fringe | i read it babilen |
| 14:07.10 | Fringe | abrotman, sent it earlier |
| 14:07.15 | babilen | ok |
| 14:07.23 | babilen | goes back to -v |
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| 14:08.13 | jelly-hme | huglester: which .config did you start from? |
| 14:08.21 | Evet | how to aptitude install if i have no config file? |
| 14:08.22 | Fringe | abrotman, |
| 14:08.25 | Fringe | many thanks |
| 14:08.28 | Fringe | that works |
| 14:08.32 | Fringe | it has been restored |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | Fringe: btw .. don't remove that directory again |
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| 14:08.56 | Fringe | yea |
| 14:09.00 | abrotman | Evet: that doesn't make sense .. please elaborate |
| 14:09.00 | jelly-hme | huglester: it sounds as if you've either forgotten some option, or made a weird security-related option decision (selinux enabled by default?) |
| 14:09.03 | Fringe | i know not to work in there |
| 14:09.16 | Fringe | while deleting stuff |
| 14:09.27 | jelly-hme | huglester: dmesg might provide clues |
| 14:10.25 | Evet | abrotman: i have deleted apache2's folder, now i cant install. i knew there is a parameter like --noconfig to tell aptitude there is no config file |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | !tell Evet about confmiss |
| 14:10.58 | Evet | yeah confmiss, ty abrotman |
| 14:11.25 | \amethyst | Evet: in particular, it's the package apache2.2-common that you'll need to reinstall with confmiss--that's the one that owns the config files |
| 14:12.14 | \amethyst | Evet: actually, if you deleted the whole directory recursively, you probably need to reinstall all your apache modules with confmiss too |
| 14:12.31 | \amethyst | Evet: since they put config files in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
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| 14:12.45 | htk_ | how can i get my host names in my local network without using bind? |
| 14:13.02 | Fringe | abrotman, thanks again |
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| 14:13.18 | abrotman | Fringe: enjoy the day! |
| 14:13.20 | cahoot | htk_: name thenm in /etc/hosts? |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | or night .. morning .. evening .. whatever |
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| 14:16.08 | Enchilada | Can you guys see in your package manager which version of pdfcrop you can get? I'm looking for v. 1.5. The only thing I can google for is v0.2 or something. Supposedly there is 1.5 to be found in some linux package managers |
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| 14:16.59 | abrotman | Enchilada: packages.debian.org/pdfcrop |
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| 14:17.05 | abrotman | ,versions pdfcrop |
| 14:17.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pdfcrop' was found. |
| 14:17.22 | babilen | it's in texlive-extra-utils (squeeze) |
| 14:17.26 | Enchilada | oh |
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| 14:17.43 | Enchilada | babilen: yeah, can u find 1.5 somewhere? it's just a pl script |
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| 14:18.36 | themill | Enchilada: lenny has version 1.5 of that script already. |
| 14:18.42 | babilen | Enchilada: Ah, the .pl script. That's in libtext-pdf-perl - Install it and check it yourself. Or contact upstream |
| 14:18.54 | Enchilada | no thing is, im not on debian :S |
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| 14:19.11 | babilen | Enchilada: What are you doing here then? Which distribution do you use? |
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| 14:19.26 | Enchilada | so i'd appreciate if some of you could send it to me. i'm here because somewhere i read it's in debian. i'm not using linux. i'm using os x |
| 14:19.45 | babilen | Enchilada: Just download the package from packages.debian.org |
| 14:19.51 | Enchilada | and i specifically want 1.5 because something called pdfcrop2 is a patch for 1.5 http://code.google.com/p/pdfcrop2/ |
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| 14:20.19 | mta`chrono | I don't have /etc/ssl/misc/CA.pl - does anyone know what packet I have to install? |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | Enchilada: we can't give you something debian doesn't have .. have a nice day |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | !tell mta`chrono about apt-file |
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| 14:21.18 | mta`chrono | abrotman, thanks, that was a hint. :) |
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| 14:21.50 | huglester | jelly-hme: sorry for taking awhile. irc was not underlining my name, didn't see you answers. Actually I started from scratch... maybe there is some minimal example to start with? dmesg show nothing... |
| 14:22.06 | Enchilada | you probably have it in /usr/bin/pdfcrop |
| 14:22.08 | Evet | \amethyst: thanks sir :) |
| 14:22.13 | huglester | jelly-hme: if you know some example to start with (for example minimal requireiment) I would be really thnkfull |
| 14:22.39 | babilen | Enchilada: You have been given enough information already. The package is libtext-pdf-perl and you can download that from packages.debian.org |
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| 14:23.02 | babilen | Enchilada: nuff said - use Debian if you want support in #debian |
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| 14:23.46 | jelly-hme | huglester: not minimal by any measure, but you can use /boot/config-* from Debian's linux0image-* packages |
| 14:24.20 | jelly-hme | make that linux-image-* |
| 14:24.39 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 14:24.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:25.23 | huglester | jelly-hme: I see. thank you. I think I start with original one (will use make oldcofig) and see how it goes. thanks again |
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| 14:25.48 | mta`chrono | apt-file update - Can't get ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | normal |
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| 14:29.12 | jelly-hme | Enchilada: http://paste.debian.net/62931/ |
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| 14:30.37 | jelly-hme | Enchilada: that seems to be 1.20, which is greater than 1.5 |
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| 14:31.19 | huglester | is there an option for make oldonfig to "auto select default" ? |
| 14:31.20 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 14:31.49 | jelly-hme | huglester: it auto selects default... by default |
| 14:31.49 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with cups + usb printer (pixma ip2000): "connecting-to-device" and no printing at all |
| 14:32.11 | jelly-hme | huglester: if you keep pressing enter, that will be it |
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| 14:32.19 | huglester | jelly-hme: well, I'm now pressing enter, enter, enter etc... |
| 14:32.21 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:32.25 | Enchilada | jelly-hme: ah ok. i kind of need 1.5 because that pdfcrop2 is a patch for 1.5. not sure if it'd work on later versions. But anyway, thanks. I downloaded and extracted the package that babilen told me about, and 1.5 was in there. So thanks guys |
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| 14:32.38 | Agiofws | can anyone please help me with this error ? |
| 14:32.38 | huglester | jelly-hme: oki:) i'll be holdin't ENTER:))) |
| 14:32.40 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/z4tmQAOv ? |
| 14:32.48 | jelly-hme | huglester: I'd suggest using config from a debian package with version closest to your source as a starting point |
| 14:34.07 | huglester | jelly-hme: I coppied the working kernel, from /boot and startd with it... but the old kernel was 2.6.24 and this one is 2.6.33 |
| 14:34.14 | jelly-hme | huglester: ie. if you're trying to configure 2.6.33, use linux-image-2.6.33-2-686 as a starting point |
| 14:34.22 | jelly-hme | .24 is very old |
| 14:35.02 | huglester | jelly-hme: how can I get the config..? without installing the kernel? |
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| 14:35.48 | jelly-hme | huglester: unpack the package somewhere |
| 14:36.06 | jelly-hme | dpkg --extract foo.deb dir/ |
| 14:36.07 | dpkg | jelly-hme: are you using Windows? |
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| 14:36.22 | huglester | I see. thanks so I just now find the package, wget it and extract. thanks a lot |
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| 14:47.55 | Posterdati | solved! |
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| 14:49.18 | gunther44 | hi, when upgrading, how do i prevent upgrading certain self-compiled binaries? |
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| 14:52.25 | wols_ | gunther44: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:53.08 | hikenboot | hello can anyone tell me if there is any bare metal restore software that works for both windows, mac and linux systems. I would like to add an online service to my customers. Need somthing reliable that works well...is there such a thing someone can recommend. I dont want anything thats a pain in the ass to work with |
| 14:53.34 | wols_ | hikenboot: you are in the wrong channel. we're a debian only channel |
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| 14:53.39 | DusteD | greetings, short story long; My box crashed after a few days because of what seems to be a bug in a driver, so I'm trying to compile a new 2.6.33 kernel, on debian/lenny, and I'm hitting a wall, I'm getting the following error: http://nopaste.dk/p1841 I've tried adding #define UTS_RELEASE_VERSION "2.6.33" to include/linux/version.h with no luck |
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| 14:54.37 | wols_ | DusteD: IIRC a kernel-package bug. check BTS, should be already there I think |
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| 14:55.15 | DusteD | wols_, hmm, okay, will do that, so I should compile the old fashioned way instead? |
| 14:55.31 | wols_ | if you must. any reason it MUST be 2.6.33? |
| 14:56.18 | DusteD | wols_, not really, it could be any other non-ancient release, I've yet to search through the changelogs to find out when my driver was fixed, but the currently running 2.6.26-2-amd64 has the bug |
| 14:56.30 | wols_ | and which driver is this? |
| 14:56.40 | wols_ | debian has 2.6.32 btw (backports) |
| 14:56.53 | wols_ | !tell DusteD about bpo |
| 14:57.19 | DusteD | as far as I can tell, having no real knowledge about the kernel, r8169, this is from searching through forums on diffrent sites |
| 14:57.56 | wols_ | 8169, is that gbit ethernet or wlan? |
| 14:58.43 | DusteD | in case you're interested, my error is the following; after only 5 weeks uptime; http://nopaste.dk/p1842 |
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| 14:59.09 | DusteD | yea, it's 1gbit, and oddly, this is after the box suddenly lost the use of one of it's netcards |
| 14:59.55 | wols_ | the accroding to calltrace the problem is in the raid I/P subsystem. you sure it's the network driver? |
| 15:00.14 | DusteD | link-led is on, and when it's requesting ip over dhcp, the activity led blinks on the netcard, but not on the switch, and it does not get an IP (dhcp server never hears the request), the other netcard works correctly |
| 15:01.08 | DusteD | I'm not sure, the other posts I could find have diffrent names in the callstack, but it has been suggested more than one place that the netcard driver was responsible |
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| 15:01.43 | DusteD | but it's possible that it's the raid, the box have 10 sata drives in raid6 |
| 15:01.53 | hikenboot | I am sorry I knew that Its just that I trust the opinion of the debian community more than any other! |
| 15:02.30 | DusteD | anyhow, whatever the problem, my hope is that it's been fixed in a newer version of the kernel |
| 15:02.55 | DusteD | I'm looking through the BTS now btw |
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| 15:03.58 | jelly-hme | well it _is_ md0_raid5 that is reporting the lockup (thought it might not be the cause) |
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| 15:04.17 | jelly-hme | DusteD: do you have anything before the soft lockups start? |
| 15:04.33 | DusteD | jelly-hme, yes, sorry, I'll paste a new snip |
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| 15:05.40 | DusteD | hmm, I'll have to see if logs were rotated, because there is only one line prior to the lockups: Mar 7 06:25:03 asuka kernel: imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 15:06.58 | DusteD | yep, logs were rotated; http://nopaste.dk/p1843 |
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| 15:07.28 | DusteD | hmm,interesting that it crashed the same day the check started |
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| 15:09.31 | gunther44 | wols_: dpkg hold? |
| 15:09.52 | Araneidae | I have an odd CUPS issue: when I print (from within alpine) piping to lpr, I always get an extra page printed, with just the line "request id is <printer>-<jobno> (<n> file(s))" |
| 15:10.08 | Araneidae | Anybody know where this might be coming from? |
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| 15:10.29 | DusteD | hmm, I'll try and force a check to see if it crashes |
| 15:12.11 | gunther44 | i see, thanks wols_ |
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| 15:14.53 | EEEuler | Hi. I have an nfs issue. I am trying to mount an nfs share on a Fedora NFS v3 server. mount doesn't complain but when I try to access the mount point I get permission denied. I have no problems using this nfs server from another Fedora 12 machine. Anyone experience this problem before and have a solution? |
| 15:14.56 | jelly-hme | Araneidae: does it happen if you print with "lp" instead of the compatibility "lpr"? |
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| 15:16.13 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: can root on the local client access the mounted share? |
| 15:16.38 | EEEuler | jelly-hme: root can't access it either |
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| 15:17.24 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: have you checked that ownerships, (numeric uids) of the users and permissions on the server allow you to access the files/directories? |
| 15:17.27 | DusteD | wols_, I found the bug in the BTS and was able to fix the problem, new kernel is compiling now, thank you for pointing me in the right way :) |
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| 15:18.33 | Araneidae | jelly-hme, interesting question. Wasn't really aware of the lp command, I'll try it. |
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| 15:19.23 | Araneidae | jelly-hme, you don't happen to know how to force monochrome printing by any chance? |
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| 15:19.57 | Araneidae | Getting a bit anxious that the printer counters are tallying up print cycles on all the colours! |
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| 15:24.48 | jelly-hme | Araneidae: modify the printer settings in cups. Use its standard interface on http://localhost:631/ if you don't know a better way. Authorize using root credentials when asked. |
| 15:25.13 | Araneidae | Well, I was hoping not to change the global settings |
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| 15:25.20 | jelly-hme | Araneidae: I suggest creating a separate print queue for color and for black/white printing |
| 15:25.32 | Araneidae | Oh, ok. Yeah, I guess that makes sense |
| 15:25.44 | EEEuler | jelly-hme: sorry got interrupted with a phone call. The permissions are the same for either mount or a Fedora machine or Debian machine ... the only difference is the UID |
| 15:25.47 | jelly-hme | then make bw the default printer ;-) |
| 15:25.59 | pflanze | Should I report issues with parallel builds of packages from testing (building on lenny in fact)? Like 20 to 30 % of the packages still don't build with -j2. |
| 15:26.05 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: numeric uid is what's important |
| 15:26.26 | Araneidae | So presumably just setting JCL Color Mode = Greyscale will make it B&W |
| 15:26.29 | pflanze | Or at least 10%. Whatever. |
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| 15:26.39 | EEEuler | UID is 500 on the Debian machine |
| 15:26.41 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: either fix it, or make the files/dirs readable by anyone (other) |
| 15:27.24 | jelly-hme | Araneidae: options depend on the printer model and driver used, can't help you there |
| 15:27.27 | EEEuler | but mount changes the file mask to drwx------ |
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| 15:28.05 | Erica81new | Hi gays and suckers!!!!!1111111111111 |
| 15:28.23 | jelly-hme | !ops Erica81new troll |
| 15:28.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-hme complains about: Erica81new troll |
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| 15:28.38 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: I'm not aware of nfs using mount mask options |
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| 15:28.46 | Araneidae | Was hoping there was an lp(r) option -- btw lp and lpr behave exactly the same regarding my extra page; maybe an alpine "feature" |
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| 15:29.10 | mentor | Thanks |
| 15:29.26 | jelly-hme | Araneidae: well, if you have two queues, you can easily od lp -d bwqueue |
| 15:29.28 | Araneidae | That was impressively smooth |
| 15:29.31 | jelly-hme | do* |
| 15:29.44 | Araneidae | yeah |
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| 15:30.12 | EEEuler | the only difference is the UID ... ok ... I'll play a bit more with it ... it must be the UID but is strange root can't access the share |
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| 15:30.48 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: root id is mapped to nobody by default. man 5 nfs, read about no_root_squash |
| 15:31.10 | fluorine | wow, the latest updates in testing free up 2792KB! amazing! |
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| 15:31.33 | jelly-hme | EEEuler: er, sorry, that's an exports(5) option |
| 15:32.00 | EEEuler | jelly-hme: thanks |
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| 15:48.15 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 15:53.02 | mooglenorph | Hello. I'm having a fairly serious Xorg memory leak: currently, xorg is using 2.9gb of my ram. |
| 15:53.19 | gorp | nice |
| 15:53.44 | mooglenorph | It slowly crawls up to this sort of usage over the course of a week or so, and eventually my computer becomes completely un-usable. I'm on debian lenny, using the nvidia drivers. |
| 15:54.08 | wols_ | mooglenorph: you gave your answer yourself: nvidia drivers |
| 15:54.27 | mooglenorph | What should I do about this? I'm sort of at a loss. I know it isn't my window manager or compiz, because I use xmonad |
| 15:54.39 | wols_ | no dev will even look at your problem due to this. well, maybe nvidia will, since they're the only ones who can do anything, but good luck with that |
| 15:54.52 | mooglenorph | Do the reverse-engineered drivers use both heads on a card yet? |
| 15:54.53 | cahoot | mooglenorph: then why not use nv? |
| 15:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: I haven't heard of memory problems with nvidia drivers. They shouldn't mess with system ram at all, they have dedicated video ram. |
| 15:54.56 | wols_ | you should use a free video driver which has source available |
| 15:55.11 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: you're funny |
| 15:55.12 | mooglenorph | cahoot: because I have a four-monitor setup |
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| 15:55.38 | mooglenorph | The last time I checked, nv can't output on both heads of a card and stitch together two cards into xinerama. |
| 15:55.51 | mooglenorph | If it can, I will *gladly* switch. |
| 15:56.01 | gorp | I try to configure exim, to send mail, i've have good reply adress but mails are sent as user audio ... I can't figure out why |
| 15:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: It's certainly worth trying a different driver to see if you get the same effect, even if you have to sacrifice some real estate for the test. |
| 15:56.21 | EEEuler | jelly-hme:The nfs problem I am having is definately related to UID mapping between Fedora and Debian ... http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/NFS_samba.html ... thanks again |
| 15:56.22 | mooglenorph | All I use is emacs... I don't have flash installed, hell, I don't even watch movies. |
| 15:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: What do you need X for then? |
| 15:56.53 | wols_ | you have the emacs disease bad if you need four screens to satisfy it |
| 15:57.01 | mooglenorph | the terminal can't spread across four monitors |
| 15:57.10 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: to fit more emacs windows on screen, duh |
| 15:57.14 | mooglenorph | Well, I also use pdf viewers (xpdf) |
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| 15:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Which program do you use for your emacs sessions (and what desktop are you using)? |
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| 15:59.23 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: I'm using the xmonad desktop, and emacsclient for the sessions. |
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| 15:59.45 | Araneidae | I seem to be missing all the exciting fonts (nothing much beyond ASCII displays). Is there a standard set of fonts to add? |
| 16:00.00 | Kwpolska | Hi. I want to compile kdmtheme, but it returns "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" - wtf? |
| 16:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Possibly try a different desktop. |
| 16:00.25 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: I tried fluxbox for a week, actually. same issue. |
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| 16:01.05 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Well, that's a little more mainstream. xfce? |
| 16:01.07 | gorp | X use 300mg here with nvidia drivers, and fvwm2 + xcompmgr + conky + cairo-dock |
| 16:01.31 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: I guess I could try xfce. |
| 16:01.37 | wols_ | Kwpolska: did you install the x11 dev package? |
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| 16:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Just something that's more commonly used and less likely to throw out the results because it's an outlier. |
| 16:01.56 | mooglenorph | I don't deal well with heavy-weight wm's. |
| 16:02.02 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: *nods* |
| 16:02.26 | Kwpolska | wols_: I can't find it |
| 16:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: I don't know if it's worthe messing with emacsclient vs. emacs in an xterm. |
| 16:02.32 | Araneidae | fluxbox sort of works for me, but it has some quirks |
| 16:02.40 | gorp | anyway, try ratpoison + X fb drivers. |
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| 16:03.49 | wols_ | Kwpolska: how did you look for it? |
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| 16:04.06 | Kwpolska | wols_: by kpackage. It's lenny. |
| 16:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: I'm not suggesting a solution to your problem, just a way to change components and eliminate where the problem is actually happening. Given wols' reaction, if you can provoke the memory problem with the open driver, even if it's on fewer screens, you've identified your problem, and that's what you're after. |
| 16:04.25 | wols_ | Kwpolska: and what did you search for? |
| 16:04.34 | Kwpolska | wols_: X11-dev and simillar |
| 16:04.40 | Kwpolska | including -dev |
| 16:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Once you're sure which component is actually causing it, you can bugreport it. |
| 16:05.12 | babilen | Kwpolska: try xorg-dev |
| 16:05.27 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: indeed. I'm going to try switching to "nv" as soon as an scp that I (stupidly) didn't start in a screen is finished. |
| 16:05.38 | wols_ | babilen: a bit heavy. I'd rather try libx11-dev first |
| 16:05.49 | babilen | Kwpolska: Or a subset of the packages that xorg-dev depends on |
| 16:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Would there be a buld deps for that? |
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| 16:06.14 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: for what? |
| 16:06.22 | Kwpolska | WHOAH |
| 16:06.27 | Kwpolska | I hate kpackagekit |
| 16:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: For what Kwpolska is trying to build. |
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| 16:06.51 | babilen | Kwpolska: Are you trying to compile a debian package? (apt-get build-dep <package> - install all build dependencies) |
| 16:06.52 | wols_ | if it'S in debian, yes. if it's not, no |
| 16:06.57 | Kwpolska | babilen: no |
| 16:07.05 | wols_ | ,versions kdethemes |
| 16:07.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kdethemes' was found. |
| 16:07.16 | Kwpolska | ,versions kdmtheme |
| 16:07.18 | judd | kdmtheme -- etch: 1.1.2-2; lenny: 1.2.2-1 |
| 16:07.24 | Kwpolska | fuck? |
| 16:07.43 | Kwpolska | WTF |
| 16:07.53 | Kwpolska | DIE YOU KPACKAGE |
| 16:08.08 | themill | Kwpolska: steady.... |
| 16:08.11 | babilen | kdeartwork? |
| 16:08.16 | babilen | !comfort Kwpolska |
| 16:08.16 | dpkg | There, there, Kwpolska. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:08.19 | Kwpolska | I say kdmtheme |
| 16:08.26 | Kwpolska | but it's installing |
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| 16:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a convenient way to clean up this kitchen-sink collection of video drivers that got installed? This system looks like half of all of the available driver are on it. (I don't know why half are and half aren't. either.) |
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| 16:10.54 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: by default, all are installed. dependencies say so |
| 16:11.24 | m_abs | I have a problem on a debian lenny server. DNS resolve is very slow even after I switched the dns-servers in /etc/resolv.conf. I'm somewhat lost as to what the problem is. |
| 16:11.31 | jhutchins_lt | ah, xserver-xorg-video-all got installed. |
| 16:11.50 | wols_ | m_abs: whatdns server do you use? |
| 16:11.58 | wols_ | tried 8.8.8.8 or 4.3.2.1? |
| 16:12.41 | m_abs | wols_, I've tried 8.8.8.8 + 8.8.4.4 and 208.67.222.222 + 208.67.220.220. |
| 16:12.42 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd. If I remove s3, it also removes ati, but just ati. |
| 16:12.46 | titan8990 | m_abs: do you have a domain or search field in resolv.conf? are you using avahi or something that would make use of MDNS? |
| 16:13.25 | titan8990 | once had *terrible* dns performance and it turned out it was waiting for MDNS to timeout before making real DNS request |
| 16:13.52 | wols_ | titan8990: good point |
| 16:13.52 | m_abs | titan8990, I've both a domain and search field in the resolv.conf. I'll try to remove avahi. |
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| 16:14.35 | jelly-hme | I now hate mdns with all my being and cleaning every trace of it from nwwsitch.conf is one of the things to do after a fresh install |
| 16:14.45 | titan8990 | m_abs: if you don't have a local bind server, you likely don't want the search field in resolv.conf |
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| 16:17.29 | m_abs | titan8990, okay. It didn't make any difference to remove avahi and domain+search from resolv.conf |
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| 16:18.01 | m_abs | mdns isn't mentioned in /etc/nsswitch.conf anymore. |
| 16:18.15 | titan8990 | m_abs: fire up wireshark or tcpdump and see if it is making MDNS requests, or the plain DNS requests are just slow |
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| 16:22.48 | babilen | m_abs: Or try different DNS servers - e.g. 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 - with dig |
| 16:23.32 | jelly-hme | and wols_ meant 4.2.2.1 up there, not 4.3.2.1 |
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| 16:24.06 | wols_ | jelly-hme: thanks |
| 16:24.36 | m_abs | babilen, I don't understand what you meant by "with dig" |
| 16:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | m_abs: Do you have ipv6 enabled by any chance? |
| 16:26.09 | mne | Hi. Some days ago I set up a mailing list with mailman on my mail server. However, while mails sent from username@mydomain.com are delivered to gmail, mails from username@lists.mydomain.com are not delivered to gmail (although the postfix log says "relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[209.85.135.114]:25, delay=0.84, delays=0.03/0.03/0.57/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1267978618 u26si19238597mug.55)"). Why does gmail NOT accept mails from h mailing lis |
| 16:26.09 | mne | t ? |
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| 16:26.35 | babilen | m_abs: dig is a DNS lookup tool. "man dig" - i meant something like "dig @8.8.8.8" (try some of the options too +trace for example) |
| 16:26.44 | jelly-hme | mne: have you checked the spam folder? |
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| 16:27.15 | jelly-hme | mne: is the address "username@lists.mydomain.com" deliverable? |
| 16:27.37 | babilen | m_abs: You can restrict lookups to ipv4 / ipv6 with the -4 and -6 options. If IPv4 is fast and you have IPv6 enabled try disabling ipv6 |
| 16:27.50 | mne | jelly-hme, the address is deliverable. I'm just looking whether the mail got in the gmail spam folder .. |
| 16:28.03 | mne | jelly-hme, yep, it is in there ;) |
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| 16:28.30 | today | how we enable MKV file 's subtitle? help me plz |
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| 16:29.24 | wols_ | today: it's a player dependent thing |
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| 16:30.17 | pallgone | if dpgk-checkbuilddeps prints out some fancy listing with dependencies... is there an esay way to feed aptitude with those? |
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| 16:30.28 | pallgone | *easy |
| 16:30.49 | wols_ | pallgone: apt-get build-deps <package> |
| 16:30.56 | babilen | pallgone: You might want to tr ... ^^^^ |
| 16:31.03 | wols_ | no need for dpkg-checkbuilddeps at all |
| 16:31.08 | action09 | today on mplayer, it's 'v' , do 'man mplayer' and search 'cycle' .. with " /cycle' |
| 16:31.30 | mne | jelly-hme, so why does gmail throw the mail from the mailing list to the spam folder ? Is there any way I can find out why the mail has been classified as spam ? |
| 16:32.12 | babilen | mne: Look at the header. But I doubt that google will tell you everything about their spam filters. |
| 16:32.33 | gorp | I try to configure my machin to send mail, they are sent with "From: "audio" <gorp@domain>", while <gorp@domain> is as expected, I can't figure where come "audio" from ? |
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| 16:32.45 | Kwpolska | how to install flash on lenny? I'm doing as in http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10 and getting wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.i386.pgp.asc |
| 16:32.47 | pallgone | ehrm... I'm trying to build chromium-browser from source |
| 16:32.59 | petemc | gorp: gecos field in /etc/passwd most likely |
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| 16:33.13 | titan8990 | mne: after you have maked some mails as "not spam" it should not longer be delivered there. One of the debian mailing lists orginally went to spam but no longer does after marking not spam |
| 16:33.19 | pallgone | there isn't a package yet |
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| 16:33.31 | mne | titan8990, I see |
| 16:33.40 | Kwpolska | !flash |
| 16:33.41 | dpkg | i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:33.44 | wols_ | Kwpolska: get the plugin from backports |
| 16:33.46 | pallgone | or can I use the debian/control file with aptitude? |
| 16:33.57 | Kwpolska | !adobe flash |
| 16:33.57 | gorp | petemc, gecos field ? |
| 16:33.58 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:34.05 | petemc | gorp: yes |
| 16:34.05 | babilen | !tell Kwpolska -about selftell |
| 16:34.06 | Kwpolska | wols_: I'm trying. bit the error is wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.i386.pgp.asc |
| 16:34.09 | titan8990 | pallgone: there are debian binaries for chrome beta |
| 16:34.14 | jelly-hme | mne: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126 |
| 16:34.29 | wols_ | Kwpolska: you repeat yourself and spam the channel with crap |
| 16:34.29 | m_abs | babilen, Okay. ipv6 has been disabled. |
| 16:34.36 | titan8990 | pallgone: chromium... is something that takes an especially long time to compile |
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| 16:34.40 | wols_ | Kwpolska: and I told you where to get it, which has nothing to do with some stupid wget |
| 16:34.56 | Kwpolska | on configuring |
| 16:35.01 | gorp | petemc, group fields you mean ? |
| 16:35.03 | Kwpolska | It can't download something |
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| 16:35.21 | mne | jelly-hme, thanks |
| 16:35.23 | pallgone | titan8990: I'm messing around with freeBSD sometimes so this isn't really holding me back :) |
| 16:35.27 | wols_ | Kwpolska: adobe flash 10 is already packaged for debian in backports |
| 16:35.29 | babilen | m_abs: Did you try experimenting with dig? Was it due to IPv6 (AAAA) lookups ? |
| 16:35.30 | petemc | gorp: no, google it |
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| 16:36.04 | titan8990 | Kwpolska: it probably doesn't exist, do it the right way as listed above from backports non-free |
| 16:36.17 | titan8990 | pallgone: freebsd has binary packages |
| 16:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | m_abs: Did that help with the DNS performance? |
| 16:36.25 | Kwpolska | titan8990: I'm doing. |
| 16:36.30 | laurus | I want to add a line in crontab that rsyncs my laptop hard drive with an external USB-connected hard drive. Two questions: 1) if my computer is off, it just skips the crontab run, correct? 2) what if it tries to run and the external hard drive is not plugged in? |
| 16:36.32 | jelly-hme | mne: they don't expose actual rules that place one message in spam folder, like eg. Spamassassin would, so the best you can do is comply with the guidelines as much as possible, and hope for the best |
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| 16:37.04 | titan8990 | laurus: your rsync script should first check to make sure that the drive is mounted and to the proper location |
| 16:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Probably it errors out, but you could build a script to check to see if it's mounted first, then do the rsync. |
| 16:37.33 | m_abs | jhutchins_lt, disabling ipv6 stopped it complaining about not being able to reach the server. |
| 16:37.37 | laurus | Do you have any web links that contain such code? |
| 16:37.51 | m_abs | babilen, Yes, I've posted the output to pastebin http://pastebin.com/JC19yi99 |
| 16:37.52 | babilen | laurus: Your backup script should exit then. If you want to make this easy for you take a look at rsnapshot or rdiff-backup. You can configure both of these tools to skip backups if the backup media is not mounted. (disable create root or something like that in rsnapshot for example) |
| 16:38.08 | babilen | m_abs: And is it faster now? |
| 16:38.15 | m_abs | babilen, No. |
| 16:38.27 | titan8990 | laurus: both the above babilen mentioned are wrappers around rsync so that you do not need to roll your own script |
| 16:38.29 | gorp | petemc, you were right, thanx a lot. |
| 16:38.38 | petemc | np |
| 16:38.41 | laurus | babilen, thanks, I'll check those out! |
| 16:38.45 | laurus | Nice to see you btw! |
| 16:38.54 | m_abs | babilen, sometimes it's so slow that I don't get a result. |
| 16:38.55 | babilen | titan8990, laurus: thanks and yes, check them out :) |
| 16:38.59 | today | wols_: sr , im busy |
| 16:38.59 | laurus | Thanks titan8990 and jhutchins_lt as well |
| 16:39.11 | laurus | Ok :) |
| 16:39.13 | today | can you help me to enable subs for mkv files |
| 16:39.31 | babilen | today: You were told how to do this in mplayer - did that succeed? |
| 16:39.34 | action09 | today someone has already answered, me too.. to enable it on mplayer.. |
| 16:39.56 | greymalkin | Is ftp.us.debian.org known to be down? I'm having trouble reaching it. |
| 16:40.16 | babilen | m_abs: The dig finished in 30ms which is pretty good. It might be your DNS server. |
| 16:40.19 | today | extractly,we can enable subs for mkv file via mplayer ? babilen, action09,...? |
| 16:40.24 | m_abs | babilen, in pastebin I've run dig twice. The first time I got a result the second but not the second time, which were right after. |
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| 16:41.11 | greymalkin | Hmmm, seems that it's just the openssl_0.9.8g-15+lenny3_i386.deb that I can't find... |
| 16:41.26 | titan8990 | judd: versions openssl |
| 16:41.27 | babilen | m_abs: right - could you repeat that experiment with "+trace" |
| 16:41.27 | judd | openssl -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; squeeze: 0.9.8k-8; sid: 0.9.8m-2 |
| 16:41.33 | action09 | today on mplayer to enable subs hit 'v' key while reading the file |
| 16:41.43 | titan8990 | greymalkin: run aptitude update |
| 16:41.49 | m_abs | babilen, of cause. |
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| 16:42.25 | laurus | By the way, I've considered using something like Amazon S3 to back up my data, but the problem is that there are over 100 GB of data... does anyone use a remote backup system like S3 and if you do, how do you deal with having such a huge amount of data? |
| 16:42.57 | greymalkin | titan8990: Yeah, just getting to that - I had run it on two other machines last night and apparently forgot this one :) Thanks! |
| 16:43.06 | today | i try to open Mkv file with Mplayer , but has error |
| 16:43.07 | titan8990 | laurus: you don't want s3 for personal backup. If you look around there are other services more oriented towards home users |
| 16:43.25 | laurus | titan8990, how important are these "off-site backups"? |
| 16:43.29 | babilen | laurus: Ah - check bacula as well if you are dealing with these amounts of data. :) (that does not mean that rsync based scripts are a bad choice though) |
| 16:43.32 | titan8990 | laurus: as I understand it its easy to get your data into s3, but not so fun or easy getting it out |
| 16:43.46 | laurus | Ah I see |
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| 16:44.06 | laurus | I'd just as soon keep using the external hard drive and forget about the remote backups... but someone got me kind of paranoid :P |
| 16:44.55 | m_abs | babilen, http://pastebin.com/VD0qgtYZ |
| 16:44.56 | babilen | laurus: Just get together with a couple of friends and share backups (probably encrypted - duplicity might help) |
| 16:45.03 | pallgone | titan8990: yeah, but they are out of date mostly |
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| 16:45.10 | laurus | babilen, share backups? What do you mean exactly? |
| 16:45.24 | laurus | Oh you mean, transfer each others backups to each others computers? |
| 16:45.25 | themill | greymalkin: you might like to look at something like cron-apt that will automatically run aptitude update and then email you if you have packages that need updating. You can even get it to download the .debs for you to save waiting for that step when you manually install them later. |
| 16:45.50 | babilen | laurus: exactly |
| 16:45.55 | laurus | Cool! |
| 16:46.06 | today | action09: thanks for your advice, but i dont play mkv file with Mplayer |
| 16:46.12 | today | what wrong ? |
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| 16:46.52 | babilen | m_abs: That is weird ... Does that happen all the time or just sporadically? |
| 16:46.57 | titan8990 | today: you going to have to be much more clear about explaining and asking questions if you want to get good help |
| 16:47.01 | laurus | Hmm, these utilities look a little overcomplicated for me... can anyone just tell me how to check if the drive is mounted and cause the script to exit if it isn't? |
| 16:48.02 | today | how about your mean titan8990, i still dont know what you say ?^^ |
| 16:48.42 | titan8990 | laurus: if mountpoint -q $mountpoint; then exit 1; fi |
| 16:48.45 | m_abs | babilen, I've run the command about ten times now and only one was different. |
| 16:48.45 | titan8990 | laurus: something like that |
| 16:48.55 | action09 | today weird.. i play well Matroska (mkv) on mplayer.. did you installed mplayer from commadn line ? ie. aptitude install mplayer ? see too the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/MPlayer |
| 16:49.15 | today | well, thanks action09, i read it |
| 16:49.16 | m_abs | babilen, but that didn't work either. |
| 16:49.22 | babilen | m_abs: Same results with -4 ? What about +tcp ? |
| 16:50.04 | babilen | m_abs: You should also try the nameserver configured in your resolv.conf (by omitting the @8.8.8.8 part) |
| 16:50.33 | laurus | titan8990, wouldn't that exit the script if the drive *is* mounted? |
| 16:51.11 | titan8990 | laurus: yes, sorry |
| 16:51.16 | titan8990 | laurus: if ! mountpoint -q $mountpoint; then exit 1; fi |
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| 16:51.38 | laurus | Ah ok :) So I just put that before the rsync line, and it'll all work ok? |
| 16:51.46 | babilen | m_abs: It might be your firewall. Could you also try your routers address (dig @router-address ...) ? |
| 16:52.13 | titan8990 | laurus: http://paste.debian.net/62952/ |
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| 16:52.43 | laurus | titan8990, cool! Is that your own personal script? |
| 16:52.55 | titan8990 | laurus: yes |
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| 16:53.26 | laurus | titan8990, cool, thanks a million. I usually don't do the daily stuff though, I just do one backup that continually rsyncs :P |
| 16:54.14 | titan8990 | laurus: good to keep in mind that multiple archives can save you from A) admin mistakes B) file corruption etc |
| 16:54.16 | m_abs | babilen, I've tried the three things you suggested http://pastebin.com/MfKe2NKj |
| 16:54.34 | laurus | titan8990, ah okay. |
| 16:54.42 | laurus | The problem is I don't have space for multiple backups. |
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| 16:54.59 | titan8990 | laurus: yes, that would be a problem |
| 16:55.04 | laurus | :) |
| 16:55.19 | m_abs | babilen, There are other servers behind the same firewal without the problem. |
| 16:55.55 | m_abs | babilen, but I'll check if there are some special settings for this host. |
| 16:56.02 | babilen | m_abs: I meant independently :) (-4 is it related to IPv6/IPv4 fuckup) and +tcp/+notcp (is it related to UDP traffic?) |
| 16:56.48 | laurus | titan8990, not to be an idiot, but can the whole line you pasted above go on one line without any linebreaks or indents (I really don't know much about Bash) |
| 16:56.49 | laurus | ? |
| 16:57.11 | babilen | m_abs: But TCP + IPv4 succeeded most of the time. I guess that it is related to IPv6 ... Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 16:58.02 | m_abs | babilen, I'm using lenny. |
| 16:58.09 | today | thanks for all support, i go now ^^ |
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| 16:59.08 | titan8990 | laurus: what I pasted can go on one line |
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| 16:59.21 | laurus | titan8990, great, thanks! |
| 16:59.43 | babilen | m_abs: I'll be back in a second. Make more experiments with @8.8.8.8 and your resolv.conf server and -4 ... If it fails if you don't give -4 it's related to IPv4 ... |
| 16:59.50 | titan8990 | laurus: python is the only language I know of that cares about indention. although there are some cases in bash where you can either use a semi-colon or a newline |
| 17:00.03 | laurus | Ah, I see... |
| 17:00.04 | laurus | I |
| 17:00.08 | babilen | m_abs: Also try the +tcp independently ... |
| 17:00.09 | laurus | I'm not a huge fan of bash to be honest :P |
| 17:00.54 | titan8990 | laurus: its excellent for automating things which do not require a lot of math or string parsing (although some will use it for a lot of string parsing) |
| 17:00.59 | babilen | m_abs: If it's related to your host speaking UDP (DNS standard) but it only succeeds with TCP I would think it's a firewall somewhere. If it is related to IPv* -> /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 17:01.05 | laurus | I see. ;) |
| 17:01.16 | babilen | m_abs: brb - ask the channel if you need help in the meanwhile |
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| 17:02.06 | laurus | titan8990, not to bother you too much, but I just tried "mountpoint /media/cdrom" and it came back with "/media/cdrom is not a directory". |
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| 17:02.26 | wols_ | titan8990: I think it'S cdrom0 |
| 17:02.40 | laurus | wols_, right, so then it says /media/cdrom0 is not a mountpoint. |
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| 17:02.44 | laurus | But how could it not be? |
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| 17:05.51 | laurus | Any ideas? |
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| 17:11.55 | babilen | m_abs: status? |
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| 17:13.37 | abiko | Hello people, I have one question - my sftp trasfers are awfully slow - aroung 50 kb/s (the box is on a Gbit line) |
| 17:13.47 | abiko | Is there a way to speed things up? |
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| 17:14.40 | wols_ | depends where the bottleneck is. use a different cipher for example |
| 17:15.48 | abiko | I config that in sshd_config ? |
| 17:16.06 | wols_ | dunno where sorry |
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| 17:17.16 | wols_ | "New versions of OpenSSH default to Blowfish". so you cannot really speed it up. blowfish is as fast as it gets |
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| 17:18.18 | laurus | titan8990, this isn't working for some reason: http://paste.debian.net/62954/ |
| 17:18.32 | abiko | sshd_config doesn't say anything for the blowfish encryption |
| 17:18.33 | laurus | It's echoing Hello!, even though when I run "mountpoint /media/disk" it says "/media/disk is a mountpoint" |
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| 17:19.58 | babilen | laurus: Include the "do what to do if it is a mountpoint (i.e. echo "Hello") in the "then" block |
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| 17:20.26 | laurus | babilen, how? Hehe. |
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| 17:20.30 | m_abs | babilen, I think I found the problem, trace gave my the ip of another server in my network. |
| 17:20.33 | laurus | else, or something |
| 17:20.34 | laurus | ? |
| 17:20.54 | m_abs | babilen, that server had bind9 running for no good reason. |
| 17:21.00 | babilen | laurus: no - replace exit 1 with echo "Hello" |
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| 17:21.19 | babilen | m_abs: And that server was misconfigured? |
| 17:21.52 | laurus | babilen, I'm trying to make the script exit before the echo 'Hello!' line. |
| 17:21.59 | laurus | That line will eventually be replaced by "rsync ...." |
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| 17:22.54 | m_abs | babilen, it was running with default settings. |
| 17:23.09 | babilen | m_abs: So is it fixed now? |
| 17:24.07 | m_abs | babilen, I'm not sure. apt still has problems connecting to the debian repositories. |
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| 17:24.48 | babilen | m_abs: Have you configured a working (tested with dig) DNS server in resolv.conf (and probably in /etc/network/interfaces) ? |
| 17:25.01 | babilen | m_abs: Could you paste the output of that aptitude run? |
| 17:25.08 | babilen | m_abs: (to a pastebin) |
| 17:25.10 | plus | something weird is happening with my debian VPS... I can't connect out, like when I try to run apt-get update I get this error: 105 No buffer space available |
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| 17:27.15 | m_abs | babilen, I still have 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf but not in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 17:28.21 | m_abs | babilen, I'll post that aptitude output once the server has restarted. I had enabled ipv6 to test with dig, but I can't unload the module again... |
| 17:28.21 | babilen | m_abs: ok - that was just for debugging. If you want to keep it, you'll have to configure it in /e/n/i or use the DNS server advertised by the DHCP server |
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| 17:30.50 | babilen | m_abs: Take your time :) |
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| 17:32.08 | m_abs | babilen, sorry it takes forever to boot. |
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| 17:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | m_abs: Guess we dont' quite have that new 10 second boot yet. |
| 17:36.18 | m_abs | jhutchins_lt, hehe. |
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| 17:36.45 | m_abs | Right now I don't know whats taking so long. It should've started now. |
| 17:37.11 | babilen | m_abs: remote server? |
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| 17:37.23 | m_abs | babilen, yes. |
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| 17:41.16 | babilen | m_abs: still not there and no way to get a local login? |
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| 17:42.52 | m_abs | babilen, nope. The last time this happened it was disk check, I'm really hoping it's the same this time. |
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| 17:43.19 | Richiie | i have a problem whit my Debian server can anyone help ? |
| 17:43.33 | babilen | m_abs: i'll keep my fingers crossed :) |
| 17:43.50 | m_abs | Richiie, what's the problem? |
| 17:44.00 | laurus | Thanks titan8990 and babilen :) See ya later. |
| 17:44.04 | babilen | Richiie: Please state the nature of the technical emergency. (I.e. give us more details) |
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| 17:44.53 | Richiie | m_abs: well my problem is that i have sshed in to it and i have installed apache2 but when i try to connect in my web browser on my laptop to my domain i get site not found, i must open port 80 in my router right ? |
| 17:45.01 | Richiie | to allwo internet traffic |
| 17:45.04 | Richiie | allow* |
| 17:45.42 | babilen | Richiie: Is it working locally? |
| 17:45.57 | Richiie | babilen: i dont know because i am not at the same location as my server |
| 17:46.15 | babilen | Richiie: If yes -> forward incoming connection on port 80 from your router to the local address of your webserver (if it is NAT) |
| 17:46.20 | Richiie | babilen: what i do know is that i havent open port 80 in my router thats why my thought was that i need to open it first |
| 17:46.43 | Richiie | babilen: problem numer 2 i cant go in to my router :/ Lynx and links2 dosent work for me |
| 17:46.44 | babilen | Richiie: ssh to the server and try "w3m IP" or "w3m localhost" ... |
| 17:46.59 | r0nin | Why not try a console browser to see if its working locally |
| 17:47.09 | r0nin | Nvm |
| 17:47.28 | Richiie | r0nin: i tried links2 and lynx none of them wont work on my router to log in in to the web interface :/ |
| 17:47.52 | Richiie | r0nin: it prompts for my password i enter it and nothing happens i cant advance :/ |
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| 17:47.58 | okaratas | hello |
| 17:48.08 | babilen | r0nin, Richiie: I think r0nin meant to test your apache setup. Why can't you use a grpahical browser to connect to your router? |
| 17:48.28 | jelly-hme | Richiie: it probably uses javascript for authentication, those text-based browsers don't really support it |
| 17:49.07 | okaratas | which laptop supported debian operating systems? |
| 17:49.14 | cusco | his problem being, his server is behind a router... and from cli he can't access the router page |
| 17:49.23 | Richiie | jelly-hme: yeah probably so i have 2 choises 1 is to install X and browse in that way? or the other is to locally get my ass out there and fix it ? |
| 17:49.43 | cusco | Richiie: what router is it? |
| 17:50.01 | cusco | okaratas: any, as far as I am aware |
| 17:50.09 | Richiie | cusco: don't think you will know about it, but its an cisco modem / router from my swedish ISP Comhem |
| 17:50.12 | okaratas | cusco, thanks :) |
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| 17:50.20 | jelly-hme | Richiie: right. you might have a livecd with X and a proper browser lying somewhere perhaps |
| 17:50.28 | cusco | Richiie: I bet that cisco has telnet port open to fix your configurations |
| 17:50.28 | babilen | okaratas: Check www.linux-laptop.net - i'll sugest a Thinkpad |
| 17:50.29 | cusco | :) |
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| 17:50.53 | Richiie | jelly-hme: no problem to browse in from my laptop :) just that i now know that my only choice is to get my ass out there and fix it manually |
| 17:51.02 | babilen | Richiie: Don't you have a graphical browser around that you could use? |
| 17:51.08 | Richiie | cusco: nope it dosent i tried to telnet to the routers ip adress whitout any luck |
| 17:51.17 | Richiie | babilen: no not on my server |
| 17:51.21 | cusco | Richiie: perhaps ssh? |
| 17:51.24 | Richiie | my server is on Location B and im on locaition A |
| 17:51.27 | cusco | Richiie: or perhaps another port? use nmap |
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| 17:51.42 | cusco | babilen: his router is near his server |
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| 17:51.45 | babilen | Richiie: I see - You could start a graphical browser over ssh :-\ |
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| 17:51.59 | r0nin | I've seen other people have their servers email them if there's a problem, how you do that? |
| 17:52.15 | jelly-hme | Richiie: oh, you could tunnel/proxy http over your server (if you can access it) |
| 17:52.20 | Richiie | babilen: how could i start an graphical browser from SSH if my server dosent have X installed ? |
| 17:52.30 | jpinx-eeepc | solarstormwatch.com |
| 17:52.33 | r0nin | I'd like it to email me if lm_sensers go over a certain temp, not sure I can |
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| 17:54.01 | r0nin | Richii is there no one at the place now that could try for you? |
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| 17:54.22 | babilen | Richiie: one second |
| 17:54.28 | SimManiac | leumaS: what are you doing? |
| 17:54.48 | leumaS | SimManiac: doing? |
| 17:55.03 | SimManiac | [18:53:22] Processing DCC SEND request from leumaS [~kvirc@c83-253-192-66.bredband.comhem.se] (DCC SEND lasse_index_2_97x64.png 1409138754 55448 4403) |
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| 17:55.14 | Richiie | babilen: i think the only way for me is to get my ass to location A and manually fix it there |
| 17:55.43 | Richiie | cus i cant remote this problem in any way i must portforward port 80 that's it and there is no way to log in to my router, if you wont install X i mean |
| 17:55.53 | Richiie | but thats nothing i wanna do lol :P X on server *brr* |
| 17:56.12 | babilen | Richiie: hang on |
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| 17:57.08 | leumaS | SimManiac: well I can see that I've got several requests for my avatar file. but I can't see that I've sent any requests myself. |
| 17:57.20 | SimManiac | ok |
| 17:57.31 | SimManiac | it may be kvirc stupid automation |
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| 17:58.00 | babilen | Ah - What was that package called that gives you the ability to start graphical programs over ssh but does not install a complete xorg server? |
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| 17:58.05 | babilen | I forgot it .. |
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| 17:59.35 | leumaS | SimManiac: probably it recognoiced me as using kvirc and tried to download my avatar.. seems my cablemodem is preventing the connection though... |
| 18:00.10 | SimManiac | babilen: you need an X server |
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| 18:00.25 | SimManiac | leumaS: I stopped it :) |
| 18:03.03 | babilen | SimManiac: Yes - I just remember that there is a package that installs the most basic functionality you need to start x clients on a remote server. Just can't remember the name and my google-fu is weak :-\ |
| 18:03.35 | SimManiac | babilen: look for minimal x server? |
| 18:04.01 | babilen | !sshx |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X TCP support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 18:04.24 | babilen | Richiie: ^^^^ |
| 18:04.57 | willem-jan | Hi! Is it possible to do startx through a ssh connection (so that x starts on the remote server)? |
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| 18:06.30 | Richiie | babilen: sshx? |
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| 18:06.51 | babilen | Richiie: yes |
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| 18:07.31 | Matheus | hi |
| 18:07.34 | Richiie | babilen: what is that? |
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| 18:08.25 | SoulSeller | \/wi leumaS |
| 18:08.26 | babilen | Richiie: Read what dpkg said shortly afterwards ;) |
| 18:08.42 | SoulSeller | Sorry. :) |
| 18:09.18 | leumaS | SoulSeller: what? |
| 18:09.24 | babilen | Richiie: I just think it is much easier to install X/xauth and a minimal graphical browser than getting to location A. If that is not the case just get going :) |
| 18:10.48 | SoulSeller | leumaS, My bad. Tab... |
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| 18:16.23 | Brain | hi, i am trying to find 32 bit libxml2.so.6 and libsm.so.6 on 64 bit debian stable |
| 18:16.28 | Brain | where can i find them in apt? |
| 18:17.24 | babilen | !tell Brain -about apt-file |
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| 18:17.33 | Brain | thanks babilen |
| 18:17.37 | babilen | Brain: Probably ia32-libs |
| 18:17.43 | Brain | actually |
| 18:17.47 | Brain | what would the filename be? |
| 18:17.55 | Brain | because /usr/lib/libxml2.so.6 is my 64 bit one |
| 18:18.05 | Brain | is there some other location it would be in like /usr/compat or such? |
| 18:18.23 | babilen | Brain: Take a look at ia32-libs - the location would be /usr/lib32/ |
| 18:19.07 | Brain | thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 18:22.58 | nm9 | Hi, how can I insert module automatically when system boot up? |
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| 18:23.22 | Araneidae | Where are the non-free repositories? What do I add to my sources.list? |
| 18:23.26 | mezod | insmod |
| 18:23.31 | Araneidae | !dpkg non-free |
| 18:23.31 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:23.43 | Araneidae | !dpkg non-free sources |
| 18:23.43 | dpkg | somebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 18:24.04 | Araneidae | I need firmware! |
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| 18:24.10 | nm9 | mezod, not manually |
| 18:24.10 | chrisss | hi |
| 18:24.19 | chrisss | i need help converting a ps file to pdf using ps2pdf |
| 18:24.39 | mezod | no idea then |
| 18:24.51 | chrisss | ps2pdf only converts the lower left corner to pdf |
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| 18:25.56 | cahoot | chrisss: maybe run ps2ps on it first? |
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| 18:27.13 | chrisss | cahoot: why that? |
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| 18:28.35 | cahoot | chrisss: man ps2ps (or possibly eps2eps) |
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| 18:29.04 | chrisss | cahoot: i've tried it. i only converts the lower left corner |
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| 18:34.31 | dvs | nm9: /etc/modules |
| 18:38.18 | macrobat | if i let gdm launch gnome, i have no delete and alt-gr is pressed constantly |
| 18:39.39 | Brain | thanks for the help babilen i got the program working that i wanted |
| 18:43.25 | babilen | Brain: great :) |
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| 18:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat: Testing? |
| 18:44.36 | macrobat | lenny :( |
| 18:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat: What keyboard map do you use? |
| 18:45.19 | macrobat | swedish nodeadkeys swap esc and caps |
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| 18:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat: Is it possible there's an actual hardware problem |
| 18:46.27 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 18:46.58 | macrobat | jhutchins: im in gnome right now, launched the "failsafe" gnome |
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| 18:50.58 | hans67521 | hi everyone |
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| 18:51.30 | isnich | silly-shit-productions presents: the inventor of debian *tadaaaaaaaa* http://pix.hotornot.de/p/b/a/0/ba08ce8c71ef.jpg ^^ |
| 18:51.58 | babilen | isnich: Stop that |
| 18:52.12 | isnich | but thats funny ^^ |
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| 18:52.53 | babilen | isnich: It's off-topic and we have *absolutely* no interest in looking at hotornot pictures |
| 18:53.21 | isnich | ..but it's.. |
| 18:53.44 | visof | can i mount ext4 fs from debian ? |
| 18:53.57 | visof | mount command doesn't work |
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| 18:56.27 | Araneidae | Why is debian still compiled with the old TTY devices: clutters /dev with all those pointless /dev/tty* nodes? |
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| 18:57.46 | \amethyst | old tty devices? |
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| 18:58.07 | bzrk | Araneidae: because TONS of software depend on them |
| 18:58.17 | bzrk | and hardware as well |
| 18:58.18 | dvs | Araneidae: because the serial ports are still configured on your computer? |
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| 18:59.04 | \amethyst | Araneidae: all I get are the devices for virtual consoles 1--63, and four serial devices |
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| 19:00.40 | \amethyst | Araneidae: do /dev/ttyp? or anything like that |
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| 19:02.43 | \amethyst | s/do/no/ |
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| 19:04.17 | GeekyLink | I have a question related to grub2 in debian sid. Would this be the right channel for that or nay? |
| 19:04.28 | babilen | GeekyLink: Just ask :) |
| 19:04.31 | GeekyLink | ok |
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| 19:04.47 | GeekyLink | I want to remove grub2 since I am now dual booting and using legacy grub instead |
| 19:04.55 | GeekyLink | can I simply apt-get purge grub2? |
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| 19:10.35 | ty | ubuntu rocks |
| 19:11.11 | pallgone | this is debian |
| 19:11.19 | wols_ | GeekyLink: yes it's fine to remove grub2 |
| 19:11.55 | ty | oops i thought i was on ubuntu channel |
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| 19:13.49 | GeekyLink | wols_: ok cool |
| 19:13.57 | Laney | debian rocks |
| 19:14.00 | Laney | ¬_¬ |
| 19:14.25 | GeekyLink | Linux in general rocks :P |
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| 19:14.32 | ty | yeah it does |
| 19:16.25 | hans67521 | hi |
| 19:16.49 | hans67521 | does anyone know what is required to build om own custom install cd |
| 19:17.04 | wols_ | !tell hans67521 about custom cd |
| 19:17.56 | hans67521 | thanks wols_ |
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| 19:19.34 | hans67521 | there is only some software that doesnt have a deb file that i want to be able to install op die "build system" before hand |
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| 19:21.49 | wols_ | why do you need this game on the installer? |
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| 19:23.56 | hans67521 | i want to build a ready configured system |
| 19:24.12 | hans67521 | so i can just poweron and go |
| 19:24.29 | Araneidae | dvs, \amethyst, yes it was the /dev/tty0 to /dev/tty63 I was grumbling about, as there's /dev/pts now to replace them |
| 19:25.01 | Araneidae | bzrk, software shouldn't depend on specific /dev/tty nodes (and certainly not hardware) |
| 19:26.00 | \amethyst | Araneidae: no, /dev/pts/[0-9]* replace /dev/ttyp? and /dev/pts/ptmx replaces /dev/ptyp? |
| 19:26.18 | \amethyst | Araneidae: those are pseudo-ttys |
| 19:26.28 | Araneidae | Oh. |
| 19:26.36 | \amethyst | Araneidae: /dev/tty[0-9]* are virtual consoles (ctrl-alt-f1 etc) |
| 19:26.56 | Araneidae | Blast, though I understood. I've successfully removed /dev/tty<n> from my embedded machines... |
| 19:27.05 | dvs | presses ctrl-atl-f63 |
| 19:27.20 | Araneidae | but of course virtual consoles are a bit futile on a serial link ;) |
| 19:27.27 | Araneidae | But 63 of 'em? |
| 19:28.27 | Araneidae | That does explain why they're still there, but I guess there's 62 too many! |
| 19:28.34 | Araneidae | 52 I mean |
| 19:28.53 | \amethyst | there are default keybindings up to Console_36 |
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| 19:30.19 | Araneidae | Seriously?! What are they? |
| 19:31.03 | Araneidae | But there is getty only running on tty1 to tty6, so they're a bit unuseful |
| 19:31.15 | dvs | tty7 too! |
| 19:31.58 | \amethyst | e.g. altgr-shift-f12 for console 36 (but you need to have altgr; the default keymap doesn't make rightalt altgr) |
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| 19:32.17 | \amethyst | Araneidae: that can be changed of course, by editing /etc/inittab |
| 19:33.10 | \amethyst | I imagine it's possible to disable the high ones in udev |
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| 19:33.28 | Araneidae | yes |
| 19:34.22 | \amethyst | as an example, btw, if you don't have altgr: ls > /dev/tty24 (probably have to be root), then alt-shift-f12 |
| 19:34.45 | \amethyst | (from a vc; from X afaik you can only switch to 1--12) |
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| 19:35.49 | \amethyst | once you write to one of them it's there and you can switch to it, even if you're not running a program on it |
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| 19:37.37 | Araneidae | Hmm. I couldn't get that to work |
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| 19:37.54 | hellyeah | hey |
| 19:38.00 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error |
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| 19:38.04 | hellyeah | pls tell me http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16069 |
| 19:38.24 | dvs | Araneidae: /etc/init only starts 6 terminals by default |
| 19:38.56 | \amethyst | Araneidae: hm, worked here... perhaps I have a different keymap from you |
| 19:39.08 | Araneidae | \amethyst, that's possible |
| 19:39.21 | \amethyst | Araneidae: dumpkeys | grep Console_24 will show you what key your keymap has bound to switch to tty 24 |
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| 19:40.57 | Araneidae | Hmm. That reports: Keycode 88 = F12 F24 Console_24 F36 |
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| 19:41.01 | Araneidae | Bit mysterious to me |
| 19:42.03 | Araneidae | And evidently the key codes for switching from X are different again... |
| 19:42.20 | \amethyst | hm, IIRC those go key shift-key altgr-key shift-altgr-key |
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| 19:42.43 | \amethyst | so with your keymap it's altgr-f12 to switch to console 24 |
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| 19:43.16 | \amethyst | if altgr is bound, it would be the right alt key |
| 19:44.11 | \amethyst | in any event, the extra consoles will take next to no memory until you write to and switch to them |
| 19:44.29 | \amethyst | it's probably possible to tell udev to skip creating the devices, but it won't save much |
| 19:44.43 | Araneidae | Yes, I was mistaken as to their function. They still annoy me when trying to figure out what's going on in /dev |
| 19:45.21 | Araneidae | That's the main thing, I look at this mass of names, and the more things there are the harder it is to find stuff. |
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| 19:45.54 | leg- | I keep getting timeouts on my ssh sessions...I use ClientAliveInterval 20 on the servers site and enabled keepalive settings in putty..does anyone recognise this? |
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| 19:50.34 | stuckey | How do I format a bug report email? |
| 19:50.55 | dkr | stuckey: you could use reportbug |
| 19:51.28 | stuckey | I'd like to just type it in my e-mail client. Is that possible? |
| 19:51.37 | dkr | yes |
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| 19:53.41 | dkr | stuckey: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting specifies the format |
| 19:53.59 | phaidros | could it be that CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER isn't set in debian kernels? |
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| 19:54.32 | phaidros | how do you guys use acpi tools, especially the ones usually reading from /proc/acpi/battery/... ? |
| 19:54.48 | phaidros | like conky, gnome-power-manager and all those |
| 19:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: I use kpowertray, that's about it. |
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| 19:55.28 | phaidros | jhutchins_lt: do you have /proc/acpi/battery/ ? |
| 19:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, BAT1 |
| 19:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | /alarm, /info, /state |
| 19:56.19 | phaidros | jhutchins_lt: which kernel do you run on? |
| 19:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | stable |
| 19:56.46 | phaidros | uname -a ? |
| 19:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:57.40 | phaidros | hm, thanx jhutchins_lt |
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| 20:00.45 | phaidros | anyone on squeeze can confirm to have /proc/acpi/battery ? |
| 20:01.05 | nervousTwitch | i havent done an install in a long time will the installer help me make partitions or should i do that with gparted or somthing prior? |
| 20:01.48 | phaidros | nervousTwitch: the installer is very helpful nowadays |
| 20:02.03 | phaidros | you can do anything regarding install with it |
| 20:02.10 | nervousTwitch | so will i have resize options? |
| 20:02.13 | phaidros | erm, partition I meant to say |
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| 20:02.25 | phaidros | nervousTwitch: afaic yes |
| 20:02.46 | nervousTwitch | sweet thanks sitting at the install screen on a eeepc |
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| 20:02.56 | phaidros | but for the resize I am not 100% sure. I know lvm, raid, ecnryption and stuff is in and easy to use |
| 20:04.35 | phaidros | does testing have an own irc? |
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| 20:05.50 | nervousTwitch | no kernel modules found probably due to mismatch between kernel used by installer and kernel version available in archive |
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| 20:10.19 | NoReflex | does anyone know how I can disable the sound which plays when the login window opens? unfortunately on my system that sound is made by the pcspeaker - a loud beep :( |
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| 20:11.17 | herman_ | need help, who wants to? |
| 20:11.33 | babilen | !ask |
| 20:11.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:12.07 | herman_ | I screwed up my server today, my web is down. |
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| 20:12.40 | herman_ | the biggest problem is php5 which was upgraded to 5.3, and that doesnt work, need 5.2 |
| 20:12.41 | phaidros | NoReflex: try 'sudo gdmsetup' and see accessebility |
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| 20:13.19 | herman_ | I cannot rollback, don't know how. Though I have good backups I don't know how to restore |
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| 20:13.23 | karme | NoReflex: or take a look at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf where are you redirected to /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
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| 20:13.32 | phaidros | need to check with squeeze users: is there /proc/acpi/battery on your system? |
| 20:13.48 | zjblabs | hello everyone, I just installed debian. I'm really loving how extraordinarly peppy it's feeling (both in the installer and on the desktop). However, I'm not seeing an intuitive (graphical) way to enable xinerama mode to use both of my monitors. How is this normally done in this fine-looking distribution? |
| 20:13.51 | karme | NoReflex: you are looking for SoundOnLogin |
| 20:14.41 | babilen | herman_: You upgraded a production server from stable (lenny) to testing and it does not work anymore which is partly due to the fact that squeeze ships php 5.3? |
| 20:14.44 | phaidros | karme: NoReflex: Imho that SoundOnLogin is the exact one you set with gdmsetup as well |
| 20:15.02 | peterrooney | herman_: one possible solution is to uninstall the particular offending package, pin that package in apt-preferences to the earlier version, and re-install. |
| 20:15.14 | herman_ | correct, but I did not see that one coming when I updated ispcp |
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| 20:15.18 | NoReflex | phaidros, karme : checking now; thx |
| 20:15.34 | babilen | herman_: Any reasons for upgrading to squeeze? |
| 20:15.44 | herman_ | this should not have happened (i am realy having a bad day) |
| 20:15.49 | karme | phaidros: i did write "or" did i? ;-P |
| 20:16.07 | phaidros | karme: uhm, u did :p |
| 20:16.12 | herman_ | no, the upgrade happend when I followed a simple updat guide for one component |
| 20:16.24 | karme | phaidros: you were just to fast :-) |
| 20:16.38 | peterrooney | herman_: what package is ispcp in? |
| 20:16.45 | phaidros | karme: funny though, I did even quick research :) |
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| 20:16.56 | karme | phaidros: me having the third beer here |
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| 20:17.05 | karme | phaidros: slows things down |
| 20:17.05 | herman_ | ispcp is my control panel for webhosting |
| 20:17.06 | rvsjoen | !tell peterrooney about apt-file |
| 20:17.09 | babilen | herman_: What are you trying to achieve tonight? You can either (i) reinstall lenny (using backups) or (ii) try to get your setup running on squeeze |
| 20:17.11 | phaidros | karme: lol |
| 20:17.35 | peterrooney | rvsjoen: it was a rhetorical question :) |
| 20:17.43 | herman_ | I don't know how to restore yet, though I have the backups (duplicity) |
| 20:17.47 | phaidros | karme: are you on squeeze, can do me a favor? |
| 20:18.05 | rvsjoen | peterrooney: ok then |
| 20:18.06 | karme | phaidros: i only have some squeeze vm |
| 20:18.16 | herman_ | squeeze won't work since I cannot install php5.2 |
| 20:18.19 | karme | phaidros: you were the one with the acpi question? |
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| 20:18.28 | phaidros | karme: yess :) |
| 20:18.54 | phaidros | need to know if that is going to be standard on squeeze or I have just only misconfigured kernels here :D |
| 20:18.56 | karme | phaidros: afaik it is deprecated but i think debian squeeze kernel has some backward compatibility - but i have seen problems in that area, too - afair |
| 20:19.16 | babilen | herman_: Ok - I'm willing to work with you on this in ~30 min. Why do you need php < 5.3 ? |
| 20:19.32 | phaidros | so, how does one run conky, dzen, gnome-power-manager on sysfs only o.O |
| 20:19.49 | herman_ | because joomla, ispcp, moodle and co don't work on > 5.2 |
| 20:20.25 | karme | phaidros: booting the vm ... |
| 20:20.35 | phaidros | karme: thanx! |
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| 20:21.16 | karme | phaidros: squeeze with ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.32+23 has /proc/acpi |
| 20:21.25 | karme | phaidros: updating ... |
| 20:21.43 | phaidros | karme: acpi itself it there, but /proc/acpi/battery ? |
| 20:21.59 | rvsjoen | why wouldnt it ? |
| 20:22.27 | phaidros | rvsjoen: because not having it here, because it is deprecated since 2.6.24 |
| 20:22.29 | karme | phaidros: battery isn't there but i am not sure if it should as it isn't a laptop - just a kvm vm |
| 20:22.35 | phaidros | hmm |
| 20:22.43 | phaidros | thats exactly the tricky question |
| 20:22.46 | karme | phaidros: would have to reboot |
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| 20:22.59 | EDF | hi to all |
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| 20:23.21 | phaidros | rvsjoen: CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER needs to be set, to still get the procfs power information |
| 20:23.22 | EDF | i need to ask u something about Debian based dedicated web server |
| 20:23.30 | phaidros | rvsjoen: it is nowadays only under sysfs |
| 20:23.37 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 20:23.40 | phaidros | but most tools are still on procfs |
| 20:23.49 | phaidros | or better, looking there for information |
| 20:23.55 | rvsjoen | about time something happens there I think |
| 20:24.06 | karme | phaidros: but gnome-power-manager started wo work again some weeks ago (for me) |
| 20:24.22 | phaidros | rvsjoen: when was proposed release date for squeeze? ;) |
| 20:24.27 | phaidros | karme: ah! interesting |
| 20:24.33 | EDF | actually, i need to connect or access a specific folder of images via php script from different webserver |
| 20:24.34 | EDF | ? |
| 20:24.47 | rvsjoen | phaidros: no idea |
| 20:25.07 | phaidros | I am playing with -rt kernels here, all of them don't have CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER set. just curious if that is true for all squeeze kernels |
| 20:25.13 | karme | phaidros: but it don't know wether /proc/acpi/battery was reintroduced or gnome-power-manager now is using sysfs |
| 20:25.36 | rvsjoen | karme: that should be in the changelog of gnome-power-manager |
| 20:25.40 | EDF | i cant able to even make any changes on my dedicated based web server |
| 20:25.41 | phaidros | karme: not sure, but gnomep-power-manager isnt properly working here as well, but might be my setup |
| 20:25.45 | karme | rvsjoen: good point |
| 20:25.54 | phaidros | rvsjoen: ack, good point! |
| 20:26.21 | phaidros | how does one get the changelog of a certain package? and is there upstream changes mentioned as well? |
| 20:27.31 | karme | phaidros: didn't find anything related in the changelog (only did have a quick look) |
| 20:27.42 | phaidros | karme: hm, ok |
| 20:28.00 | rvsjoen | apt-listchanges is a place to start |
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| 20:28.33 | phaidros | rvsjoen: thx |
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| 20:29.05 | phaidros | hm, needs local .deb |
| 20:29.22 | babilen | herman_: Is this a production system? |
| 20:29.37 | herman_ | yes :-( |
| 20:29.51 | babilen | herman_: How much time do you have? How complete are your backups? Is downtime possible? |
| 20:29.52 | phaidros | life can be soooo easy: aptitude changelog gnome-power-manager |
| 20:29.55 | rvsjoen | phaidros: try aptitude changelog then |
| 20:29.59 | herman_ | but personal only, no customers |
| 20:30.01 | babilen | phaidros: :) |
| 20:30.09 | phaidros | :) |
| 20:30.12 | babilen | herman_: That makes a big difference :) |
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| 20:30.16 | herman_ | my backups are full, downtime does not matter |
| 20:30.21 | herman_ | it's down anyway |
| 20:30.33 | herman_ | hosting at hetzer |
| 20:30.56 | babilen | Just wanted to understand the situation. I guess that your best idea is a complete reinstall. |
| 20:31.04 | babilen | It's a remote server? |
| 20:31.17 | herman_ | it's remote |
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| 20:31.56 | herman_ | backups are remote too, on another server (ftp) |
| 20:32.02 | phaidros | rvsjoen: reagarding release date, I thought the ubuntu and debian people wanted to make a joint release, which would be in april now .. |
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| 20:32.26 | babilen | Ok, that complicates the matter. Do you have an easy way to initiate a reinstall/copy of "standard" image or does this entails contact to customer support and/or financial costs? |
| 20:32.40 | phaidros | karme: anything on the acpi/battery ? |
| 20:32.55 | herman_ | no, I can install an image, but restore would be easier |
| 20:33.08 | karme | phaidros: sorry no - didn't look further and don't want to reboot at the moment |
| 20:33.18 | phaidros | karme: ok, np :) |
| 20:33.25 | babilen | herman_: You said that you have duplicity backups? |
| 20:33.31 | herman_ | correct |
| 20:33.51 | phaidros | duplicity rollback is often no fun, depends on how you integrated the backup system :) |
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| 20:34.16 | herman_ | that I learned today, as the problem arose :-) |
| 20:34.18 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue if I can get raw events from evdev in some way ? |
| 20:34.25 | babilen | herman_: That somehow entails that you install a basic system and restore your services from scratch - if your backup is not complete |
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| 20:34.44 | herman_ | backup is complete |
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| 20:35.07 | babilen | herman_: Complete system and recent enough? |
| 20:35.15 | phaidros | herman_: before reinstalling anything, make sure you have all duplicity keys and passphrases .. just in case it was encrypted backup, which would be recommended on some remote ftp ;) |
| 20:35.15 | herman_ | from yesterday |
| 20:35.24 | herman_ | before I went stupid |
| 20:35.26 | babilen | phaidros: good point thanks! |
| 20:35.32 | zu22 | when i login to X (via gdm) i want to open 4 gnome-terminals in specific locations, what file should i create to do this? |
| 20:35.33 | babilen | herman_: hehe |
| 20:35.46 | phaidros | rofl |
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| 20:36.15 | zu22 | anyone? |
| 20:36.18 | karme | zu22: starting would be ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:36.28 | zu22 | karme: ok that is GNOME specific? |
| 20:36.33 | rvsjoen | wouldnt that depend on the DE |
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| 20:36.43 | karme | zu22: i think that is xdg - is it called like that |
| 20:36.44 | karme | ? |
| 20:36.45 | babilen | herman_: Can you boot into a rescue system? |
| 20:36.45 | zu22 | running metacity with gnome in debian testing |
| 20:36.49 | buntfalke | Which application creates a single good quality picture from a series of low res images (or a movie of the scene)? |
| 20:36.55 | herman_ | ofcourse |
| 20:36.58 | phaidros | karme: for xmonad that wouldnt work ;( |
| 20:37.01 | phaidros | ;) |
| 20:37.10 | zu22 | karme: will try that thanks |
| 20:37.17 | zu22 | rvsjoen: will it work? |
| 20:37.45 | rvsjoen | no idea, it looks very desktop-environment-specific |
| 20:37.49 | karme | zu22, phaidros: classic soluton would be .Xsession or similar? |
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| 20:37.56 | babilen | herman_: I would suggest to just create a tarball of your backup and "bootstrap" a new system with that (comparable to gentoo stage 3 install) |
| 20:38.01 | rvsjoen | .xsession is worth a go |
| 20:38.11 | phaidros | ack |
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| 20:38.38 | karme | regarding position/layout i would recommend the sawfish wm |
| 20:38.46 | herman_ | don't know bootstrap |
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| 20:39.12 | babilen | herman_: That means that you boot into your rescue system, create new filesystems, mount them and unpack the tarball. You can then chroot into the system and adjust it to your needs |
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| 20:39.28 | zu22 | karme: ah |
| 20:39.34 | zu22 | ok trying that thx |
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| 20:40.06 | herman_ | that is not something I can do, no knowlegde (not enough). If I cannot restore from duplicity then a new install I all I can do |
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| 20:40.54 | babilen | herman_: An alternative would be to recreate your system as good as you can. That would mean a reinstall/image copy, then a reinstall of all previously installed packages (/msg dpkg aptitude clone) and the restoration of your services with the help of your backups |
| 20:41.24 | edju | I've searched how to mount an iphone in stable, but only found references to ifuse, which is not in the stable repos. Any way to mount an iphone in stable? |
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| 20:41.34 | babilen | herman_: How customised was that installation? |
| 20:41.56 | herman_ | highly |
| 20:42.02 | babilen | herman_: Is it really impossible to get your services running on squeeze? (i.e. php 5.3) |
| 20:42.03 | phaidros | babilen: was it a dist-upgrade you guys need to revert? |
| 20:42.25 | herman_ | if that would work i'd had it running already |
| 20:42.35 | rvsjoen | !tell edju about backports |
| 20:42.41 | herman_ | I don't see why I cannot just install php 5.2 |
| 20:42.46 | babilen | herman_: How many packages did you upgrade? |
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| 20:43.16 | edju | rvsjoen, I looked there - no ifuse. |
| 20:43.24 | phaidros | babilen: grep /var/log/aptitude |
| 20:43.31 | babilen | herman_: You could try to install the php 5.2 packages from lenny and "hold" them |
| 20:43.38 | herman_ | this is what I did: http://www.isp-control.net/documentation/doku.php?id=start:upgrade:debian |
| 20:43.49 | babilen | phaidros: Tell that to herman_, not me :) |
| 20:44.02 | phaidros | babilen: irks, sry :) |
| 20:44.04 | rvsjoen | edju: looks like its only in debian-experimental, you could download and compile it manually |
| 20:44.15 | rvsjoen | edju: or wait until it makes it into sid |
| 20:44.22 | zjblabs | are there any graphical package managers for debian? |
| 20:44.34 | phaidros | zjblabs: synaptic |
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| 20:45.03 | zjblabs | thanks phaidros |
| 20:45.13 | babilen | herman_: I don't quite see the "upgrade to squeeze" step in there (am i blind?) |
| 20:45.15 | karme | zjblabs: and gnome-app-install |
| 20:45.27 | phaidros | zjblabs: that is if you are in gnome, there are several more, and others for kde. but synaptic seems to be the mother of them all, and best sorted interface-wise |
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| 20:45.33 | herman_ | I don't see that either, but it happened |
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| 20:46.09 | zjblabs | I see. Does it also provide a frontend for repository configuration or do I still have to manually edit my sources.list? |
| 20:46.11 | babilen | herman_: When? How many (and which) packages did you upgrade? |
| 20:46.24 | phaidros | herman_: hehe, did you mess with your sources.list before, or whut? |
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| 20:47.00 | phaidros | zjblabs: synaptic has a repo management, but I personally still prefer the sources.list.d/files |
| 20:47.14 | micols | how do i find all png and jpg images in a dir with one find command, find -iname '*.jpg' -o -iname '*.png' will ignore *.png if some jpg files exists, and find -iname "*.jpg|*.png" doesn't work |
| 20:47.32 | karme | zjblabs: see also: aptitude search '?and(?tag(admin::package-management),?tag(interface::x11))' |
| 20:47.41 | phaidros | zjblabs: and apt-get or aptitude (which, depends on the job) is usually way faster anyways :) |
| 20:48.01 | phaidros | karme: wow! thats a nice aptitude search line! |
| 20:48.18 | herman_ | dunno what when happened |
| 20:48.36 | herman_ | don't see a dist upgrade in the logs .. annoying |
| 20:48.38 | phaidros | micols: ls -al | grep -P '.pmn' |
| 20:48.44 | phaidros | micols: ls -al | grep -P '.png|.jpg' |
| 20:48.50 | phaidros | or alike |
| 20:48.51 | zjblabs | this is the first apt-get job i've started and it seems to be updating my entire system just to get synaptic |
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| 20:49.17 | azeem | zjblabs: you're doing something wrong then |
| 20:49.21 | babilen | herman_: Check your /var/log/aptitude |
| 20:49.33 | herman_ | oke, i am going for a fresh install, I see no other way :-) |
| 20:49.40 | herman_ | did check igt |
| 20:50.05 | karme | phaidros: i like aptitude's search capabilities |
| 20:50.07 | herman_ | no word about squeeze, I am puzzled because it worked before I updated today |
| 20:50.24 | babilen | herman_: Which version of libc6 do you have installed? |
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| 20:51.00 | phaidros | karme: never really got around them, looks great. funny that aptitude refersr always to the aptitude hand book, but there is only stupid examples for search imho |
| 20:51.05 | babilen | herman_: Ok, before you reinstall "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" and copy that list somewhere |
| 20:51.13 | phaidros | like '~dsome text' |
| 20:51.39 | babilen | herman_: You could also try to pin stable to >= 1001 and try to downgrade (it will probably fail) but if you are going to reinstall anyway. |
| 20:52.09 | karme | phaidros: take a look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README there is a table somewhere |
| 20:52.18 | zjblabs | azeem: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bcriZkEC |
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| 20:52.39 | karme | phaidros: yes there is short form and long form |
| 20:52.56 | karme | phaidros: i prefer the long form - at least when pasting to irc |
| 20:52.58 | azeem | zjblabs: it's just 40 new packages |
| 20:53.09 | azeem | if you didn't have GNOME installed before, that's normal |
| 20:53.10 | phaidros | karme: lol, I never tried the actuall README as doc, rofl. thanks for that pointer |
| 20:53.23 | zjblabs | I do, though |
| 20:53.25 | herman_ | whatever, thanks for your help, I am going the long way |
| 20:53.31 | babilen | phaidros: There is also a table in the aptitude manual. http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 20:53.52 | babilen | herman_: Good luck :-\ |
| 20:53.57 | babilen | !comfort herman_ |
| 20:53.57 | dpkg | There, there, herman_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:53.57 | herman_ | :-( |
| 20:54.17 | herman_ | I'll manage |
| 20:54.18 | phaidros | babilen: yay, the one I was always looking for :) |
| 20:54.43 | babilen | phaidros: :) |
| 20:54.54 | phaidros | herman_: good luck! |
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| 20:56.33 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: comfort (.*?) |
| 20:56.34 | dpkg | "cmd: comfort (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> There, there, $1. It's OK. I'm here for you." |
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| 20:56.52 | simonrvn | hmmm |
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| 20:57.06 | simonrvn | wonders what that ($1): is for |
| 20:57.11 | rooisto47 | hi there ! |
| 20:57.12 | babilen | me too |
| 20:58.32 | leg- | I cant get beep codes to work, both with printf "\a" as with the package beep |
| 20:58.36 | leg- | does it depend on sound drivers? |
| 20:58.43 | pflanze | I want to build aufs-tools; the source package for that package is listed as "aufs" in it's description records. Now "aufs" can't be found, neither with apt-get source on my system, nor by packages.d.o; how comes?? |
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| 20:59.19 | phaidros | pflanze: maybe it was once in a packge list |
| 20:59.33 | pflanze | I just want to build that package, what should I do? |
| 20:59.36 | phaidros | sometimes old package names stay there forever :) |
| 20:59.48 | simonrvn | babilen: seems to be connected to the substitution value in the factoid value |
| 21:00.03 | simonrvn | babilen: /j #debian-bots |
| 21:00.11 | phaidros | apt-get build-dep package, apt-get source package .. I would do |
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| 21:00.57 | wols | pflanze: aufs-source |
| 21:01.00 | pflanze | phaidros: apt-get source aufs-tools wouldn't work either, actually reports that "aufs" can't be found. |
| 21:01.15 | phaidros | pflanze: try as wols said |
| 21:01.22 | pflanze | wols: same thing, looks for "aufs" |
| 21:01.23 | rooisto47 | how can I transfer a directory using ftp command ? when I try put /my/dir/ it say not a plain file, is there another command to put directories in remote machine? |
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| 21:01.36 | leg- | put |
| 21:01.41 | phaidros | rooisto47: scp |
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| 21:01.57 | leg- | rooisto47 I suggest using lftp and mirror -R |
| 21:02.00 | phaidros | rooisto47: assuming the remote machine has ssh server running |
| 21:02.08 | rvsjoen | rooisto47: use a client which supports recursive operations, like ncftp |
| 21:02.14 | phaidros | rooisto47: for ftp try ncftp |
| 21:02.27 | pflanze | Hm, somehow my system is broken, on another computer it works. |
| 21:02.38 | pflanze | But why would packages.d.o not find it either? |
| 21:02.55 | phaidros | rooisto47: always keep in mind that ftp is propably clear text, incl. your password. scp is slower but encrypted |
| 21:03.03 | pflanze | Stop: on my other system it fetches the *lenny* source package! |
| 21:03.07 | rooisto47 | so ftp don't support recursive operations? |
| 21:03.08 | pflanze | So nope, issue not solved. |
| 21:03.23 | phaidros | rooisto47: depends on your ftp client, see ncftp for example, which does |
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| 21:03.36 | rvsjoen | rooisto47: assuming you are talk about 'fp' ans in the command line client, no |
| 21:03.39 | rvsjoen | *ftp |
| 21:03.45 | karme | typically there is rput and rget, no? |
| 21:03.56 | leg- | I cant get beep codes to work, both with printf "\a" as with the package beep, does it depend on sound drivers or something? |
| 21:04.17 | rooisto47 | rvsjoen, I'm talking about (the ftp command) |
| 21:04.27 | rvsjoen | rooisto47: ok, no recursion there as far as I know |
| 21:04.33 | rooisto47 | phaidros, ok thx |
| 21:04.39 | karme | rooisto47: there should be prut/rget |
| 21:04.52 | karme | rooisto47: ~s/prut/rput |
| 21:05.00 | cahoot | leg-: see if alsamixer shows a control |
| 21:05.19 | phaidros | cahoot: does beep need alsa? |
| 21:05.38 | rooisto47 | karme, no I tried those, ^^ |
| 21:05.40 | cahoot | no but possibly the 'speaker' |
| 21:05.57 | rooisto47 | so I'll see ncftp |
| 21:05.59 | karme | rooisto47: then you have some strange ftp command |
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| 21:06.10 | leg- | will do when I get to the machine cahoot |
| 21:06.20 | leg- | assuming it wont show a control, what would be the next step? |
| 21:06.30 | karme | rooisto47: help should list the suppported commands |
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| 21:07.01 | zu22 | i am trying to open 4 gnome-terminals when i login via gdm, i put them in $HOME/.config/autostart but nothing happens |
| 21:07.09 | zu22 | what is the correct place so gnome will run them? |
| 21:07.16 | phaidros | karme: actually plain ftp command doesnt have rget and rput |
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| 21:07.24 | karme | zu22: correct place to put them |
| 21:07.31 | zu22 | karme: it doesn't work |
| 21:07.33 | karme | zu22: must be .desktop files |
| 21:07.37 | zu22 | karme: oh |
| 21:07.45 | cahoot | leg-: there are two possible modules for the pcspeaker - pcspkr and snd-pcsp (the latter an alsa module) |
| 21:08.00 | karme | zu22: yeah its the modern gui and make it complicated crap ;-) |
| 21:08.27 | zu22 | karme: i don't have a .desktop but i do havce a .gconf/desktop |
| 21:08.32 | funzl | hi all! if i start xterm with option -class UXTerm, then the additional parameter -geometry has no effect... any ideas? |
| 21:08.33 | zu22 | karme: ya |
| 21:08.57 | karme | zu22: locate xterm.desktop might help |
| 21:09.28 | cahoot | leg-: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-05/msg07578.html |
| 21:09.30 | pflanze | wols / phaidros: I gather the reason is that the version in unstable is "unofficial port". How to get at that? |
| 21:10.02 | leg- | thanks cahoot im running netinstall so it would be probably I dont have those packages installed |
| 21:10.06 | phaidros | pflanze: uh, not an apt expert on that, sry |
| 21:10.08 | karme | zu22: or locate .desktop and looking at one should help to understand the format |
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| 21:10.40 | cahoot | leg-: those are not packages per se, only kernel modules |
| 21:10.51 | leg- | or kernel modules |
| 21:11.21 | zu22 | karme: ok |
| 21:11.26 | cahoot | leg-: you want one or the other loaded |
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| 21:14.20 | flf | howdy folks. what would the command be to access a usb-serial device? |
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| 21:14.50 | karme | must leave cause battery is empty - nice evening to all! |
| 21:14.57 | babilen | byw |
| 21:16.18 | macrobat | flf: you plug it in and see the difference with "lsusb" or dmesg, then you mount it if it's listed in /dev |
| 21:17.00 | macrobat | tried to mount a mouse one time |
| 21:17.05 | flf | its called ttyusb0 |
| 21:17.10 | flf | bow do i access it though |
| 21:17.14 | flf | minicomm? |
| 21:17.48 | hellyeah | hey |
| 21:17.50 | phaidros | flf: yes minicom. |
| 21:17.54 | hellyeah | i try to install nvidia |
| 21:17.56 | hellyeah | apt-get -t sid install foo |
| 21:18.03 | hellyeah | what does this mean |
| 21:18.03 | phaidros | flf: depends what kind of device it is :D |
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| 21:18.20 | hellyeah | i must do apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx |
| 21:18.21 | hellyeah | ? |
| 21:18.25 | phaidros | hellyeah: is means that you want to install foo from the distro named sid |
| 21:18.43 | phaidros | -t means target I suppose. |
| 21:18.57 | hellyeah | phaidros, i just try to install nvidia driver |
| 21:18.59 | phaidros | that is useful in cases where you run on stable, but need a certain package from unstable |
| 21:19.00 | macrobat | "foo" is a placeholder it can be anything you want |
| 21:19.16 | hellyeah | i need to do apt-get -t sid install nvidia-gllx |
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| 21:19.36 | phaidros | hellyeah: yes, what is the problem with that command? how can we help? |
| 21:20.11 | hellyeah | i try to install debian dpkg write a msg |
| 21:20.12 | hellyeah | cho 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 21:20.29 | hellyeah | i need to install sid nvidia-glx package according to dpkg |
| 21:20.55 | phaidros | hellyeah: that howto describes that you want to install nvidia-glx from sid, while keeping your system on testing |
| 21:21.27 | stuckey | judd: versions libsane |
| 21:21.28 | judd | libsane -- etch: 1.0.18-5; lenny: 1.0.19-23; sid: 1.0.20-14+b1; squeeze: 1.0.20-14+b1 |
| 21:21.39 | stuckey | judd: versions xsane |
| 21:21.41 | phaidros | judd: versions xmonad |
| 21:21.41 | judd | xsane -- etch: 0.99+0.991-2; lenny: 0.996-1; sid: 0.996-3; squeeze: 0.996-3 |
| 21:21.43 | judd | xmonad -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8-1; sid: 0.9.1-2+b1 |
| 21:22.07 | macrobat | flf: google to see if it compatible with linux, this can depend on kernel version |
| 21:23.38 | phaidros | judd: |
| 21:23.42 | phaidros | judd: help |
| 21:23.43 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 21:24.15 | nvz | phaidros: please do not abuse the bots /msg them |
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| 21:24.27 | p3rror | is there any alternative of dia |
| 21:24.39 | phaidros | nvz: ack, sry |
| 21:24.53 | nvz | p3rror: what specifically do you need to do? |
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| 21:25.13 | p3rror | draw a network solution, often i use dia |
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| 21:25.31 | nvz | p3rror: tried OOo Draw? |
| 21:25.52 | vinc456 | When I look in my /tmp directory, I see a lot of files of the form "NO-IPgXhgEW NO-IPpTQxQ8 NO-IPxGtX7A". I used to get maybe 10 or 20 but currently there are ~250. Should I be worried? |
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| 21:26.16 | sebas891 | hi folks, does anyone manage a nfs server with the homes of various nfs remote clients? |
| 21:26.37 | hellyeah | hey |
| 21:26.38 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16070 |
| 21:26.39 | sebas891 | I'm ldap for authentification with pam. |
| 21:26.40 | vinc456 | What do those files represent anyways? |
| 21:26.47 | hellyeah | i have this problem how can i solve that |
| 21:26.56 | p3rror | nvz i did not understand what you mean? |
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| 21:27.44 | phaidros | hellyeah: the solution is stated in the paste line 39 and 40 |
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| 21:29.42 | flf | is there something besides minicom i can use? |
| 21:30.11 | nvz | p3rror: open office has a "draw program" |
| 21:30.21 | macrobat | vinc456: use the "file" command on the files |
| 21:30.50 | nvz | p3rror: I'm looking around to see if there is something specifically suited for that network mapping.. I know of tools for drawing schematics and other specific things.. |
| 21:30.56 | jhutchins | flf: cat /dev/ttyS0? |
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| 21:31.40 | jhutchins | flf: Use for what? A screwdriver? |
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| 21:31.55 | flf | for serial console access.. |
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| 21:34.15 | phaidros | how to mute the bell from iceweasel? |
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| 21:34.31 | nvz | p3rror: so far I'm not seeing anything that isn't commercial (cost a lot of money) or for windows.. but surely there is something more well suited than dia for this |
| 21:34.36 | chops1 | Is there an easy way to use ldapsearch to determine if a user is part of a particular group, OR a group that's part of that group? |
| 21:34.40 | phaidros | or better, how to make it a visible bell? |
| 21:34.57 | chops1 | Or do I have to recurse through the groups myself with multiple ldapsearch calls (or dump all group membership and recurse myself)? |
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| 21:35.20 | chops1 | nvz: graphivz? :-) |
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| 21:35.56 | nvz | chops1: never heard of it, doesnt seem to be in debian |
| 21:35.57 | sshock | What effect does UsePAM have when using public key authentication? |
| 21:36.15 | sshock | any? |
| 21:36.28 | nvz | p3rror: gliffy.com for example looks good but it doesnt seem to be entirely free (cost) and is web based |
| 21:36.34 | chops1 | nvz: It's non-free |
| 21:36.47 | sshock | sorry, wrong channel |
| 21:37.09 | p3rror | nvz, yep i see |
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| 21:37.18 | chops1 | nvz: It's a generalized thing which draws directed graphs based on node networks that you provide. It's not specific to network maps but it seems like the kind of thing that could provide a half-assed solution |
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| 21:37.25 | biggimat | Hello there. I'm completly new to building deb packages and I'm trying to build a package based on python source. Now this very package depends on a lib that isn't in debian repository (minihallib). What must I do in control script (or anywhere else for that matter) to make the thing work properly? |
| 21:37.31 | biggimat | Honestly, I am kinda "stuck" at debuild now |
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| 21:38.27 | boxxertrumps | add the lib to your package? kindof hackish but it would work short term |
| 21:39.20 | biggimat | boxxertrumps, how exactly is that done? Regarding the scripts that have to be in debian directory |
| 21:40.30 | boxxertrumps | i dont think it needs to be scripted, just added to the archive with your python scripts |
| 21:41.15 | boxxertrumps | /usr/lib instead of /usr/bin or wherever your scripts are installed to in your package |
| 21:42.21 | biggimat | Hum. Not sure how this should be done but I'll dig into it. Thanks for the hint, boxxertrumps ! |
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| 21:46.34 | flf | how do i see what packages i have installed? |
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| 21:46.54 | biggimat | boxxertrumps, there's a file called "dirs" in debian directory. Should there be something added? |
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| 21:47.18 | biggimat | flf, dpkg -l ? |
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| 21:49.44 | eyeris | I just dist-upgraded my squeeze install. Now X fails to start with an error in the log saying there is an undefined symbol resVgaShared in nvidia_drv.so (from the nvidia-glx package) |
| 21:50.09 | eyeris | I've done m-a update; m-a a-i nvidia; to no avail |
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| 21:50.47 | kjug | how to install debian on partition that i want ---please help |
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| 21:53.27 | caverdude | how do I tell which version of debian I'm running? |
| 21:53.35 | phaidros | caverdude: cat /etc/lsb-release |
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| 21:53.41 | caverdude | ok thanks |
| 21:53.49 | simonrvn | !version |
| 21:53.49 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:54.38 | themill | encourages phaidros to try that out |
| 21:55.17 | phaidros | themill: try what out? |
| 21:55.30 | caverdude | --version didn't work |
| 21:55.41 | themill | phaidros: [21:53] <phaidros> caverdude: cat /etc/lsb-release |
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| 21:55.51 | phaidros | themill: yes, just realised |
| 21:55.52 | caverdude | no lsb-release folder |
| 21:55.59 | phaidros | sry caverdude |
| 21:56.04 | phaidros | old ubuntu habit |
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| 21:57.17 | eyeris | I want to install the nvidia-kernel-source from sid via apt-get. How can I add a sid source to sources.list, but make it install the squeeze version of packages by default? |
| 21:57.26 | pishguy | hi all, who to install kde 4.4.4 on debian ? |
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| 21:58.30 | MoDaX | pishguy: coming from the future? |
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| 21:58.41 | caverdude | hrm none of that stuff up there is working |
| 21:58.53 | phaidros | caverdude: lsb_release -a worked here |
| 21:59.03 | caverdude | no such command on mine |
| 21:59.08 | pishguy | MoDaX : can you help me installing that ? |
| 21:59.15 | themill | caverdude: "cat /etc/debian_version" doesn't tell you anything? |
| 21:59.20 | phaidros | cat /etc/debian_version as well |
| 21:59.28 | MoDaX | pishguy: 4.4.4 does not exist (it will be released in 3 months) |
| 21:59.51 | caverdude | 5.0.4 |
| 21:59.57 | diclev | Hello. I'm an user of Debian Lenny. I have a trouble: when I decided upgrade my system and wrote apr-get dist-upgrade, it seems, that was ok. When all was downloaded, some packages begun instalation, but when it came to updating of udev, udev said like "current version cant work with this kernel, upgrade the kernel", and all upgrading died. Now I have broken dependences and can't install any package, including linux-image. apt-get -f install abuses then it co |
| 21:59.59 | pishguy | its released for ubuntu and etc distro . |
| 22:00.09 | MoDaX | pishguy: no, 4.4.1 is released |
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| 22:00.32 | pishguy | MoDaX. Oh!! sorry . who to install that ? |
| 22:00.55 | MoDaX | pishguy: join irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-kde |
| 22:01.55 | nvz | flf: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 22:02.00 | zp | Hi, wget -r -l 7 -q -O - http://1.2.3.4/ doesn't seem to work properly, is it a bug? (I try to get the output on the screen) but wget doesn't traverse the site recursively, it fetches mereley several files and exits... is it ok? |
| 22:02.09 | pishguy | MoDaX: not any people on #debian-kde |
| 22:02.25 | nvz | flf: would show only the installed packages, you can then pipe that into less as well if you like |
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| 22:02.28 | MoDaX | pishguy: another server ( irc.debian.org ) |
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| 22:03.44 | kjug | how to install debian on partition that i want |
| 22:03.45 | kjug | how to install debian on partition that i want |
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| 22:05.33 | SADO | how to install debian on partition that i want |
| 22:06.05 | action09 | SADO d'ont repeat yourseld or you'll be kicked.. |
| 22:06.17 | SADO | ok |
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| 22:06.18 | action09 | SADO anyway your question is too larke |
| 22:06.19 | action09 | large |
| 22:06.33 | Cain | SADO : when installing, mount / on the partition you want debian to be |
| 22:07.00 | action09 | SADO read the debian installation manuall, it ask for the partition where you want to install. You'll need to a swap partition too. |
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| 22:07.53 | action09 | SADO http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 22:12.50 | SADO | WTF??!?!? |
| 22:13.13 | SADO | WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF??!?!?WTF |
| 22:13.32 | SADO | WTF??!?!? |
| 22:13.42 | adb | !ops SADO |
| 22:13.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: SADO |
| 22:13.46 | macrobat | SADO: calm down and breathe |
| 22:14.45 | SADO | WTF??!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 22:14.56 | macrobat | i say kick it |
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| 22:17.49 | boxxertrumps | that was a nice shower |
| 22:17.53 | boxxertrumps | what did i miss? |
| 22:18.04 | z3rograv1ty | help |
| 22:18.18 | z3rograv1ty | my NIC is up but can't ping any host on LAN |
| 22:18.35 | boxxertrumps | could you pastebin ifconfig for us? |
| 22:18.35 | z3rograv1ty | ip addr show valid |
| 22:18.37 | z3rograv1ty | route valid |
| 22:18.52 | z3rograv1ty | am still on debian debug shell |
| 22:19.00 | z3rograv1ty | trying to install base system + mirror |
| 22:19.10 | boxxertrumps | unfortunate |
| 22:19.26 | z3rograv1ty | i can ping loopback |
| 22:19.40 | z3rograv1ty | any ideas? |
| 22:19.45 | boxxertrumps | oh, so you can connect to the internet just fine |
| 22:19.50 | z3rograv1ty | nope |
| 22:19.53 | z3rograv1ty | can't connect |
| 22:20.02 | z3rograv1ty | debian installer proceeds just fine |
| 22:20.12 | z3rograv1ty | but can't connect to the internet |
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| 22:20.26 | z3rograv1ty | i suspected dns |
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| 22:20.30 | sinizzl | hai |
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| 22:20.46 | z3rograv1ty | but then i tried wget http://LAN_PC |
| 22:20.50 | z3rograv1ty | it says no route to host |
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| 22:21.06 | boxxertrumps | try pinging 66.96.211.133 |
| 22:21.07 | z3rograv1ty | i tried wget http://SELF_IP |
| 22:21.11 | sinizzl | i created a runscript called /etc/init.d/fwall but it doesn't show in up in rcconf. each time i reboot my PC i have to launch it manually. how do i add it to rcconf? |
| 22:21.11 | z3rograv1ty | it says connection refused |
| 22:21.38 | boxxertrumps | you dont have a http server up probably |
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| 22:22.24 | z3rograv1ty | if i don't have hhtp server , i'd get connection refused right?? |
| 22:22.34 | z3rograv1ty | but all i get is no route to host |
| 22:22.34 | boxxertrumps | yeah |
| 22:22.57 | z3rograv1ty | i can't ping the PC from my laptop |
| 22:23.00 | boxxertrumps | what devices show up when you use "ifconfig" in the console |
| 22:23.19 | GeekyLink | google-chrome doesn't seem to respond to my numberpad's keys (page up/down, up/down arrow, end/home). After a brief google search this seems to be a common problem. Anyone know if there is a solution yet? |
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| 22:23.27 | z3rograv1ty | if my NIC is defective or some errors occured, wouldn't debian-installer popped something? |
| 22:23.42 | z3rograv1ty | i use ip command |
| 22:23.48 | boxxertrumps | zerohero: were you using a netinstall or a regular dvd?\ |
| 22:23.49 | z3rograv1ty | no ifconfig from base system |
| 22:23.53 | GeekyLink | oh |
| 22:23.56 | GeekyLink | it's in /sbin |
| 22:23.57 | z3rograv1ty | regular CD |
| 22:24.00 | GeekyLink | @ z3rograv1ty |
| 22:24.06 | z3rograv1ty | lenny downloaded yesterday |
| 22:24.13 | boxxertrumps | you need to be root to use ifconfig |
| 22:24.22 | GeekyLink | or run /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:24.26 | z3rograv1ty | am on debug-shell |
| 22:24.47 | boxxertrumps | type su - |
| 22:24.54 | boxxertrumps | then your admin password |
| 22:24.57 | boxxertrumps | then ifconfig |
| 22:25.02 | z3rograv1ty | ~# <-- this is root right?? |
| 22:25.04 | apt | z3rograv1ty: okay |
| 22:25.05 | boxxertrumps | yeah |
| 22:25.10 | z3rograv1ty | i can do 'ip' |
| 22:25.24 | z3rograv1ty | 'ip' commands |
| 22:25.37 | z3rograv1ty | i can set ip,dns,gateway |
| 22:25.44 | z3rograv1ty | NIC light's up |
| 22:26.00 | z3rograv1ty | but can't seem to transmit or recieve |
| 22:26.23 | boxxertrumps | you shouldn't have to set those manually, the dhcp from your router should handle it |
| 22:26.31 | boxxertrumps | if you use ifup eth0 as root |
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| 22:26.45 | z3rograv1ty | am on debian-install debug shell |
| 22:26.53 | z3rograv1ty | *debian-installer |
| 22:27.03 | z3rograv1ty | i tried DHCP |
| 22:27.11 | nervousTwitch | im using a eeepc what would be the best way to uninstall gnome and replace with xfce? |
| 22:27.21 | z3rograv1ty | but makes no sense since NIC is somehow unable to transmit packets |
| 22:27.45 | z3rograv1ty | but dmesg reports no prob |
| 22:27.53 | boxxertrumps | you should install the system and boot up normally, why do you need use the debug shell? |
| 22:28.12 | z3rograv1ty | except i see eth0: Unmanage PHY |
| 22:28.19 | z3rograv1ty | and eth0: Link forced |
| 22:28.43 | z3rograv1ty | i read somewhere in debian FAQ |
| 22:28.53 | z3rograv1ty | use wget as alternative to ping util |
| 22:29.03 | boxxertrumps | lets start from the beginning, we might be able to sidestep these problems... What are you trying to accomplish z3rograv1ty? |
| 22:29.13 | z3rograv1ty | the system installation proceeds fine |
| 22:29.20 | z3rograv1ty | but i need to use mirror to get packages installed |
| 22:29.26 | z3rograv1ty | okay |
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| 22:29.49 | boxxertrumps | that should be an aption in the graphical install, to use different mirrors |
| 22:29.55 | boxxertrumps | an option* |
| 22:29.55 | z3rograv1ty | machine is Emachine 667ix |
| 22:30.02 | boxxertrumps | irrelevant |
| 22:30.05 | rvsjoen | nervoustwitch: install xfce, make the switch of the default wm, then uninstall gnome |
| 22:30.22 | z3rograv1ty | am using CD installer |
| 22:30.35 | nervousTwitch | alringt |
| 22:30.40 | nervousTwitch | alright thanks |
| 22:30.51 | pflanze | Can anyone tell me how to find the source packages in a debian archive? I'm looking for aufs in http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/ |
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| 22:30.52 | z3rograv1ty | boot and go to EXPERT INSTALL for steps |
| 22:30.54 | kunguz | Guys, is there a package named as xorg-psb under debian? |
| 22:31.08 | rvsjoen | kunguz: packages.debian.org |
| 22:31.10 | boxxertrumps | then you should be able to install a base system by going through the graphical installer, you dont need expert install to use different mirrors |
| 22:31.12 | z3rograv1ty | i configure locale,KB,mount CD |
| 22:31.17 | z3rograv1ty | then go to DETECT HD |
| 22:31.21 | kunguz | rvsjoen: thanks, checking it |
| 22:31.30 | z3rograv1ty | DETECT NETWORK HARDWARE |
| 22:31.37 | z3rograv1ty | then installer detects hardware just fine |
| 22:31.51 | z3rograv1ty | prompts me for DHCP or manual configuration |
| 22:31.56 | z3rograv1ty | i SET TO MANUAL |
| 22:31.56 | rvsjoen | pflanze: if you have the deb-src in your sources.list you can do 'apt-get source <package>' |
| 22:32.10 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: you should let dhcp do that for you |
| 22:32.21 | z3rograv1ty | IP IS 192.168.1.90 mask 255.255.255.0 DNS 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:32.21 | pflanze | rvsjoen: problem is that I don't have the gpg key, so fetching fails. |
| 22:32.29 | z3rograv1ty | tried DHCP alread |
| 22:32.32 | z3rograv1ty | alerady |
| 22:32.32 | pflanze | rvsjoen: how do I add the key? |
| 22:32.33 | z3rograv1ty | already |
| 22:32.36 | boxxertrumps | and it failed? |
| 22:32.42 | z3rograv1ty | failed |
| 22:32.48 | z3rograv1ty | am on my laptop now |
| 22:32.56 | boxxertrumps | what was the message that came up when it failed?\ |
| 22:32.56 | z3rograv1ty | same network as the PC |
| 22:33.01 | pflanze | rvsjoen: also, I haven't found the sources manually, so I sort of doubt I will get them with apt |
| 22:33.09 | z3rograv1ty | it can't fine DHCP server |
| 22:33.11 | rvsjoen | pflanze: been a while, but there should be a way to ignore gpg |
| 22:33.20 | z3rograv1ty | my laptop is on MANUAL IP CONFIGURATION |
| 22:33.29 | rvsjoen | pflanze: if you have the key, use apt-key |
| 22:33.33 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: so dhcp is turned off on your router? |
| 22:33.41 | z3rograv1ty | it's turned on |
| 22:33.51 | pflanze | rvsjoen: ah, thanks for the apt-key tipü |
| 22:34.08 | z3rograv1ty | anyway the prob is even if i set DHCP on or off , and configure manually |
| 22:34.15 | z3rograv1ty | dmesg reports no prob |
| 22:34.17 | z3rograv1ty | all is fine |
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| 22:34.20 | kunguz | Do you guys know any distro that has a support to Intel GMA500 video card? |
| 22:34.27 | boxxertrumps | you might be trying to set the IP of your emachine as the same one a different computer has |
| 22:34.36 | z3rograv1ty | i do wget - point to my desktop PC |
| 22:34.41 | rvsjoen | kunguz: any ? |
| 22:35.03 | rvsjoen | or is that the brand new one ? |
| 22:35.03 | z3rograv1ty | yes different |
| 22:35.12 | z3rograv1ty | different IP for each machine |
| 22:35.29 | z3rograv1ty | i tested my laptop to use DHCP , works fine |
| 22:35.29 | kunguz | rvsjoen: actually it is different then usual intel video cards |
| 22:35.34 | boxxertrumps | ok, and your router lets devices choose their own? |
| 22:35.40 | z3rograv1ty | yup |
| 22:35.58 | kunguz | rvsjoen: so it doesn't work very efficienct with VESA drivers. It is really too slow with VESA driver |
| 22:36.01 | z3rograv1ty | anyway, here's what puzzles me |
| 22:36.11 | boxxertrumps | alright... what do you have your router setup to do now? |
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| 22:36.32 | z3rograv1ty | i do wget - point to loopback and SELF IP, it says connection refused |
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| 22:36.40 | z3rograv1ty | seems like my NIC is OK right??? |
| 22:36.50 | boxxertrumps | if it's dhcp, try letting the installer automatically pick it for you... |
| 22:36.51 | rvsjoen | of course it does, is anything listening on your localhost ? like a webserver ? |
| 22:36.54 | boxxertrumps | your nic seems fine |
| 22:36.57 | nervousTwitch | i just lost the mirrors on this install but using wireless.. ran the discover network option again and was able to connect |
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| 22:37.46 | z3rograv1ty | i do wget --- point to laptop IP, it says NO route to host |
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| 22:37.54 | boxxertrumps | that makes sense |
| 22:37.55 | pflanze | rvsjoen: hehe, as suspected, there are no sources: "Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)" |
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| 22:38.08 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: pastebin the output of 'ip ; ip a' |
| 22:38.19 | rvsjoen | aorry, 'ip ; ip a' |
| 22:38.20 | boxxertrumps | there wouldn't be one if the values you set manually aren't completely correct |
| 22:38.21 | z3rograv1ty | dmesg reports no problem except for eth0: Link forced |
| 22:38.22 | rvsjoen | omg |
| 22:38.25 | pflanze | Any debian-ports people around? |
| 22:38.33 | z3rograv1ty | and eth0: Unmanaged PHY |
| 22:38.34 | rvsjoen | I hate this keyboard... "ip r; ip a" |
| 22:39.01 | z3rograv1ty | i can't do pastebin |
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| 22:39.10 | z3rograv1ty | am on debug-shell |
| 22:39.26 | rvsjoen | ok, do 'ip r', how many routes do you have |
| 22:39.35 | boxxertrumps | rvsjoen: he can't access his internet from his comp yet, hes using the irc from his laptop |
| 22:39.36 | z3rograv1ty | here |
| 22:39.38 | z3rograv1ty | 1 route |
| 22:39.55 | z3rograv1ty | 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.90 |
| 22:40.04 | z3rograv1ty | default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
| 22:40.25 | rvsjoen | ok, and you can ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 22:40.29 | z3rograv1ty | from LAPTOP 192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.150 |
| 22:40.30 | z3rograv1ty | default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 |
| 22:40.38 | z3rograv1ty | the former was from PC |
| 22:40.50 | z3rograv1ty | not Ping, but wget |
| 22:40.57 | boxxertrumps | dont use wget |
| 22:41.05 | boxxertrumps | it's confusing the issues |
| 22:41.12 | rvsjoen | wget needs http/ftp |
| 22:41.16 | z3rograv1ty | i can do wget http://127.0.0.1 where i get connection refused |
| 22:41.25 | boxxertrumps | ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:41.29 | z3rograv1ty | i don't have PING from debug shell |
| 22:41.31 | boxxertrumps | dont wget |
| 22:41.31 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: there is nothing listening on port 80 |
| 22:41.43 | z3rograv1ty | debian-installer doesn't have PING |
| 22:41.44 | rvsjoen | therefor, wget will _not_ work |
| 22:41.54 | z3rograv1ty | wget will work |
| 22:42.08 | rvsjoen | fine, keep doing wget |
| 22:42.17 | z3rograv1ty | just to verify your request was receive |
| 22:42.27 | z3rograv1ty | unless an idiot wrote it on debian FAQ |
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| 22:42.51 | rvsjoen | give me a link to that FAQ |
| 22:42.52 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: they were probably thinking about a different situation than this |
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| 22:43.13 | z3rograv1ty | Q: Why is ping not available in the debug shell A: Every utility that is included uses valuable memory, so the installer is as lean as possible and ping is just not essential. To test connections to other hosts, you can use wget instead: |
| 22:43.26 | z3rograv1ty | no , same situation for me i guess |
| 22:43.34 | rvsjoen | wget will work if you use it against _anything_ that has a running web server, your local machine (in the debug shell, doesnt) |
| 22:43.50 | z3rograv1ty | it will work atm |
| 22:44.03 | borman | hi! the issue ivman and pmount for automountind device? |
| 22:44.03 | z3rograv1ty | if a host is found but no response , u get connection refused |
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| 22:44.19 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: could you restart and use the graphical install? |
| 22:44.39 | borman | I can't to enable the event for automount a usb-stich |
| 22:44.40 | z3rograv1ty | if there's actually a WEBHOST and not restricted then you index.html |
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| 22:44.52 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: ok, is the ip configured statically or dynamically ? |
| 22:45.06 | z3rograv1ty | pls refer to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 22:45.16 | z3rograv1ty | i think it makes sense |
| 22:45.18 | boxxertrumps | i think that would be best, there's no reason to use the debug shell unless you're doing something non-standard |
| 22:45.36 | z3rograv1ty | well, there's a reason to use it |
| 22:45.46 | z3rograv1ty | since debian-installer is proceeding as fine |
| 22:45.51 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: _ To test connections to other hosts, you can use wget instead:_ |
| 22:45.51 | rvsjoen | borman: your question does not make any sense to me, or I'm getting tired, you pick |
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| 22:46.06 | z3rograv1ty | but then i can't to connect to any MIRROR |
| 22:46.09 | boxxertrumps | to test connections to OTHER hosts |
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| 22:46.33 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: yes, you will be able to use mirrors if you have the netinstall cd |
| 22:46.51 | rvsjoen | anyway, I think I failed to pick up what the original problem was, would anyone care to repeat it ? |
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| 22:47.36 | z3rograv1ty | using wget to test connection to other host, i get 'No route to host' |
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| 22:47.41 | boxxertrumps | rvsjoen: he can't access the internet from the debug shell |
| 22:47.44 | borman | Yeah, I'm trying to mount usb-devices and I've tried with pmount and ivman and I could't |
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| 22:47.50 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 22:48.00 | zu22 | Anyone know when emacs24 will be in Debian squeeze? The latest they have is emacs23 :( |
| 22:48.03 | rvsjoen | your router likely has a web interface, can you wget http://192.168.1.1 ? |
| 22:48.05 | z3rograv1ty | i also can't verify connection from debug shell |
| 22:48.08 | mrrcp | is there a way to put a like to a folder in every samba users folder? |
| 22:48.21 | z3rograv1ty | i also can't verify connection to LAN from debug shell |
| 22:48.29 | mrrcp | like say i have a users but i have a movies folder i want everyone to be able to have access to |
| 22:48.43 | borman | pmout was working ok but when I plug a usb ivman doesn't detect nothing ... |
| 22:48.46 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: i don't think you are thinking |
| 22:48.52 | boxxertrumps | of this the right way |
| 22:48.54 | z3rograv1ty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.56 | zu22 | anyone? |
| 22:49.34 | z3rograv1ty | boxxertrumps: z3rograv1ty: i don't think you are thinking <-- c'mon , i know something is wrong with the driver |
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| 22:49.51 | z3rograv1ty | my NIC is OLICOM 2325 , should be using TLAN module |
| 22:50.01 | boxxertrumps | zu22: you'll probably have a better time finding who maintains the package, maybe looking at debian.org |
| 22:50.04 | z3rograv1ty | when i do LSMOD, TLAN module is unused.. is that normal???? |
| 22:50.13 | borman | I would like to know if are there any option easier for automountig usb devices |
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| 22:50.21 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: you are needlessly confusing the issues |
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| 22:50.42 | z3rograv1ty | okay cut it short |
| 22:50.43 | z3rograv1ty | listen |
| 22:50.43 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: it means the module is not used by any other modules, its fine |
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| 22:51.06 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: and stop using caps, it's really annoying |
| 22:51.20 | z3rograv1ty | ok |
| 22:51.28 | boxxertrumps | have you tried letting the graphical installer automatically detect the nic and mirrors? if you haven't already i suggest you try |
| 22:51.29 | z3rograv1ty | btw |
| 22:51.34 | mrrcp | how can i place a shortcut to folders in every users folders? |
| 22:51.41 | mrrcp | to a movies link |
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| 22:51.57 | rvsjoen | mrrcp: a symlink ? |
| 22:51.58 | z3rograv1ty | if the tlan module is unused, what's driving my olicom 2325??? |
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| 22:52.05 | boxxertrumps | changing random settings without tons of experience with linux is just going to make your life harder |
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| 22:52.22 | mrrcp | just a shortcut in user folders |
| 22:52.33 | mrrcp | like i want to make a folder everyone has access to |
| 22:52.38 | mrrcp | but cant amke changes |
| 22:52.47 | rvsjoen | mrrcp: yes, but a symlink would work, I think, if you configure samba to follow symlinks |
| 22:52.49 | mrrcp | only read |
| 22:52.55 | mrrcp | symlinks |
| 22:52.55 | mrrcp | om |
| 22:52.57 | mrrcp | ok |
| 22:53.00 | z3rograv1ty | installer just let me assign IP,DNS,gateway to my OLICOM 2325, yet my tlan module is unused... |
| 22:53.01 | mrrcp | thanks! |
| 22:53.02 | z3rograv1ty | if the tlan module is unused, what's driving my olicom 2325??? |
| 22:53.17 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: I already told you |
| 22:53.20 | z3rograv1ty | i mean the debian-installer |
| 22:53.38 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: unused means no other modules depend on it |
| 22:54.13 | z3rograv1ty | tlan module is the driver for my olicom 2325 NIC |
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| 22:54.50 | z3rograv1ty | is it ok i was able to configure my NIC yet the module for the NIC is still unused? |
| 22:54.56 | boxxertrumps | yeah |
| 22:55.01 | z3rograv1ty | ok |
| 22:55.35 | z3rograv1ty | here's the real mystery to me |
| 22:55.39 | rvsjoen | now, how did the interface get that ip ? 192.168.1.90 |
| 22:55.41 | z3rograv1ty | sorry noob to debian |
| 22:55.48 | z3rograv1ty | i assigned it |
| 22:55.56 | z3rograv1ty | via debian-installer |
| 22:56.03 | rvsjoen | ok, did you also configure dns servers ? |
| 22:56.06 | z3rograv1ty | and also tried it via debug-shell |
| 22:56.09 | z3rograv1ty | yes |
| 22:56.31 | rvsjoen | does the debug shell have host,nslookup or dig ? |
| 22:56.44 | z3rograv1ty | btw , i also used the same settings for my laptop when i set it up (of course different IP) |
| 22:57.42 | z3rograv1ty | debug-shell has none of those |
| 22:58.15 | z3rograv1ty | so here's the catch |
| 22:58.34 | z3rograv1ty | from reference to debian FAQ |
| 22:58.44 | z3rograv1ty | just to test connectivity i use wget |
| 22:59.00 | rvsjoen | to test connectivity to other hosts, yes |
| 22:59.00 | z3rograv1ty | and also assuming my NIC is fine since dmesg reported no errors |
| 22:59.29 | rvsjoen | check ifconfig, and whether or not there are bytes TX and RX |
| 22:59.31 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: wget would only work properly if you aren't having problems with dns, netbios, etc etc... |
| 22:59.47 | boxxertrumps | but you seem to be |
| 23:00.02 | z3rograv1ty | wget to http://pc_ip --- > connection refused meaning Ok |
| 23:00.15 | z3rograv1ty | wget to http://loopback_ip --- > connection refused meaning Ok |
| 23:00.33 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: http://pc_ip is still passed over the loopback |
| 23:00.44 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: your real nic is not involved |
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| 23:01.00 | rvsjoen | so those two test are equivalent |
| 23:01.06 | z3rograv1ty | okay |
| 23:01.32 | rvsjoen | if the kernel sees that an outgoing packet is bound for a local address, it is sent over the loopback |
| 23:02.03 | Gm4n | I've been writing some shared functions in /usr/local/lib/, and now I need to store a large number of associated files. Where is the right place to put them? |
| 23:02.05 | z3rograv1ty | wget to http://laptop_ip - no route to host |
| 23:02.24 | rvsjoen | z3rograv1ty: ok, so which ip does your laptop have ? |
| 23:02.33 | z3rograv1ty | 192.168.1.150 |
| 23:02.53 | rvsjoen | and your route is 192.168.1.0/24 over eth0, right ? |
| 23:02.58 | z3rograv1ty | from laptop to PC , still nothing |
| 23:03.05 | z3rograv1ty | yup |
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| 23:03.39 | rvsjoen | is the netmask set up propely |
| 23:03.46 | z3rograv1ty | yup |
| 23:03.48 | z3rograv1ty | 255.255.255.0 |
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| 23:04.25 | rvsjoen | does the laptop have a firewall ? |
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| 23:04.50 | z3rograv1ty | nope |
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| 23:05.05 | rvsjoen | what does wget to 192.168.1.1 say |
| 23:05.14 | z3rograv1ty | same |
| 23:05.17 | z3rograv1ty | no route to HOST |
| 23:05.51 | rvsjoen | on the pc, do an 'arp -a' |
| 23:06.06 | rvsjoen | does it have any entries ? |
| 23:06.28 | rvsjoen | alternatively, 'ip neigh' |
| 23:06.30 | z3rograv1ty | debug shell has no arp util |
| 23:06.46 | z3rograv1ty | any other alternative? |
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| 23:07.06 | z3rograv1ty | no 'ip neigh' either |
| 23:07.12 | rvsjoen | cat /proc/net/arp |
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| 23:08.18 | rvsjoen | me needs more beer.. |
| 23:08.20 | z3rograv1ty | it has no entries |
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| 23:08.37 | z3rograv1ty | that's bad right? |
| 23:08.46 | z3rograv1ty | i mean no arp entries |
| 23:08.51 | rvsjoen | it means the problem is lower than the network layer |
| 23:08.58 | rvsjoen | lets try 'ethtool eth0' |
| 23:10.26 | z3rograv1ty | no ethtool |
| 23:10.31 | rvsjoen | .. |
| 23:10.39 | z3rograv1ty | i guess mines a rare prob |
| 23:10.47 | borman | what should I modified to configure ivman and pmount properly? |
| 23:10.54 | rvsjoen | I have no idea what your original problem was |
| 23:11.05 | rvsjoen | or why you are using the debig shell in the first place |
| 23:11.50 | boxxertrumps | rvsjoen: i asked that earlier but he didn't really answer |
| 23:11.57 | rvsjoen | do you have /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate ? |
| 23:12.02 | z3rograv1ty | w8 |
| 23:12.13 | z3rograv1ty | i use debug shell to test connection |
| 23:12.25 | z3rograv1ty | since debian-installer has no ping utility right?? |
| 23:12.32 | z3rograv1ty | so i use wget |
| 23:12.52 | rvsjoen | because the debian-installer was unable to get online ? |
| 23:12.55 | boxxertrumps | z3rograv1ty: the installer sets up and tests the connection on it's own |
| 23:13.02 | z3rograv1ty | yes |
| 23:13.13 | rvsjoen | from what media are you installing ? |
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| 23:13.37 | z3rograv1ty | but if it's able to let me assign IP,dns and gateway from tested configurations |
| 23:13.47 | z3rograv1ty | so i was wondering why it can't get online |
| 23:13.54 | z3rograv1ty | i use CD installer |
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| 23:14.34 | rvsjoen | is there any reason you do not just finish the installation with a minimal setup, without having to go online ? |
| 23:14.59 | z3rograv1ty | nope |
| 23:15.16 | rvsjoen | that would put you in an environment which is alot more powerful than the debug shell |
| 23:15.18 | z3rograv1ty | this is the 2nd installation btw |
| 23:15.24 | rvsjoen | might be easier |
| 23:15.26 | pflanze | I'd like to install the same packages on a system B as I have on system A; in the past, the normal suggestion for this would have been dpkg --{get,set}-selections; but now that there's apt's autoremove feature, what should I do instead? |
| 23:15.33 | z3rograv1ty | ok i'll do base install first |
| 23:16.26 | boxxertrumps | pflanze: can you just copy the hdds, 1:1? |
| 23:16.42 | pflanze | boxxertrumps: nope, because the architecture is different. |
| 23:16.45 | boxxertrumps | i think you can do that if they just have default kernels |
| 23:16.48 | boxxertrumps | ah |
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| 23:18.07 | Tramp | !tell pflanze -about aptitude clone |
| 23:18.37 | rvsjoen | that's pretty neat |
| 23:18.54 | boxxertrumps | i was thinking of ways to get dpkg/apt to spit out a list of all installed package but tramps idea would work better |
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| 23:20.25 | boxxertrumps | i really dont know enough about linux to be offering proper help here |
| 23:20.31 | boxxertrumps | :/ |
| 23:20.47 | rvsjoen | wouldnæt '~~i' give the same result though, as the dependencies will be resolved anyway |
| 23:21.05 | rvsjoen | sorry, '~i' |
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| 23:23.32 | Tramp | rvsjoen: it would include all automatically installed packages (I think), some of which may not be needed/wanted |
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| 23:24.26 | themill | using ~i!~M preserves information about automatically installed packages. |
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| 23:25.06 | Tramp | well. It "preserves" them in the way, that the automatically installed ones are not in the list |
| 23:25.32 | themill | right. otherwise that information would be lost in cloning |
| 23:26.08 | Tramp | i.e. the "information regathering" is done "on the other side" by reinstalling only the manual packages and re-building this information |
| 23:26.27 | rvsjoen | but if you clone, wouldt you want them in the list ? |
| 23:26.43 | rvsjoen | hm |
| 23:27.09 | rvsjoen | of course, this is assuming you didnt play with the packages yourself to mark some of them automatically installed |
| 23:27.13 | Tramp | well, you clone the functionality of the system - not necessarily the system |
| 23:28.28 | Tramp | but that's intrinsic to this "package list" method. If a package is not up-to-date on the source, it will be on the destination, since you will install the current version, not the old version |
| 23:28.51 | themill | rvsjoen: If you want autoremove to work, you need to install packages on the target system in such a way so that all the packages are not marked as "manually installed". If you use dpkg --set-selections or similar then you'd lose that information. |
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| 23:29.51 | rvsjoen | themill: yes, the caveat of dpkg --set-selections is fine, I was just wondering about '~i' vs '~i~M' |
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| 23:30.08 | themill | rvsjoen: that's the difference I was explaining.... |
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| 23:30.36 | rvsjoen | as you could process the package list given by '~i' to mark anything listed as 'i A' as automatically instaleld |
| 23:30.36 | themill | (and you'd want ~i!~M not ~i~M) |
| 23:31.21 | themill | why would you do that rather than just ~i!~M to begin with? |
| 23:31.49 | rvsjoen | I was just wondering how that would work if I were to mark a bunch of packages as automatically installed manually, they would not be in the clone, as no package depend on them |
| 23:32.27 | themill | !aptitude search |
| 23:32.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html or ask me about <aptitude docs> |
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| 23:32.38 | themill | check the docs for what ~M actually does |
| 23:33.02 | rvsjoen | it matches packages which are marked as automatically installed |
| 23:33.19 | themill | "marked" is an important word here. |
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| 23:34.44 | rvsjoen | sure |
| 23:36.04 | themill | rvsjoen: so in your example, the packages are no longer marked as automatically installed so they are then in the output of ~i!~M so the process works fine. |
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| 23:38.28 | rvsjoen | my example was having a system where I had manually marked some packages as automatically installed using aptitude, and then wanting to clone it |
| 23:38.38 | Tramp | if he marks a package as automatically installed, how would it "no longer be marked as automatically installed"? |
| 23:38.49 | lxsameer | does debian release with BSD kernel too? |
| 23:38.57 | Tramp | I just wonder why one marks a package as automatically installed |
| 23:40.01 | rvsjoen | it was a hypothetical question, I sometimes do it with libraries which are not marked as automatically installed but should be |
| 23:40.39 | Tramp | well, if they "should be" then it's fine, isn't it? - or what is your definition of "should be" here? |
| 23:41.07 | rvsjoen | for example if I install a library manully, and then a package that depend on it, after which I suddenly want the library to be automatically removed when that package is |
| 23:41.19 | themill | rvsjoen: OK, so the converse applies to that situation.... I'm truly failing to understand what the difficulty is here. |
| 23:42.09 | rvsjoen | themill: I think we are speaking past each other, my point was simply that in that hypothetical, it wouldnt be a clone, since some packages which where installed on the source system would not be present on the destination |
| 23:42.26 | Tramp | rvsjoen: well, then the "package that depends on it" will be in the list and thus the package will be pulled in on the destination machine |
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| 23:43.02 | Tramp | rvsjoen: i.e. the "package you install later" will be in the ~i!~M list |
| 23:43.23 | rvsjoen | I agree |
| 23:43.30 | Tramp | :) |
| 23:43.39 | themill | rvsjoen: anything that survives an "apt-get autoremove" (or "aptitude install/remove/purge foo" in lenny/squeeze or "aptitude remove ~g") will be copied. If the package would be removed by that step, it should be removed anyway and would not be copied. There's no issue here.... |
| 23:44.01 | rvsjoen | I never said there was an issue, lets just leave it |
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| 23:44.40 | themill | there would be no missing packages. (there might be extra packages, but that's an entirely different thing to what you are suggesting) |
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| 23:45.20 | ChiefDean | Please join my server Heatwave.selfip.net |
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| 23:45.29 | ChiefDean | Please join my server Heatwave.selfip.net |
| 23:45.35 | rvsjoen | of course, right away, and i'll bring all my friends |
| 23:45.39 | ChiefDean | Okay |
| 23:45.41 | ChiefDean | Thanks! |
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| 23:45.46 | Vmanz | lol. |
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| 23:47.11 | boxxertrumps | so anyway |
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| 23:54.58 | borman | there is no way to reach that ivman handles hal events any suggestions? |
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