| 00:02.32 | bahatpc | apart from subscribing to a mailing list, is there some "easy" way to track a package's updates in testing or unstable? |
| 00:04.03 | macrobat | there is apt-listchanges |
| 00:04.15 | macrobat | and there is the pdo |
| 00:04.49 | bahatpc | pdo = packages.debian.org web interface? |
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| 00:05.02 | macrobat | yes |
| 00:05.15 | Richiie | I need quick help to delete an rar file on my Debian server plz help |
| 00:05.46 | macrobat | apt-listbugs is nice to have too |
| 00:05.54 | BlackFate | rm file.rar |
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| 00:06.21 | macrobat | Richiie: rar files are deleted as any other type of file |
| 00:06.43 | bahatpc | macrobat: I just looked at it; the package summary says it's for installed packages, and doesn't mention others |
| 00:06.57 | Richiie | macrobat: ok i will tell you my scenariop |
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| 00:07.16 | Richiie | macrobat: i have an external harddrive whit ntfs filesystem on, i mount it then i go in on it |
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| 00:07.38 | scratchme | Hi all. |
| 00:07.45 | Richiie | macrobat: i am using su typing in the root PW after that i do an rm -rf rarfilename |
| 00:07.46 | macrobat | bahatpc: there is also http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 00:08.17 | Richiie | i get permission denied no matter what i do :S the point is that root is the owner of the file it is not excecutable and i cant delete it when i am root im wondering how come |
| 00:08.33 | macrobat | Richiie: you need the ntfs mounted as rw |
| 00:08.49 | Richiie | macrobat: mounted as rw? |
| 00:09.11 | macrobat | rw means read-write. man mount. use ntfs-3g |
| 00:09.14 | scratchme | I was interested in link bonding, and the recommended method for this scenario: I have a gigabit switch which supports 802.3ad. I have two VM Servers using debian, each with two 1Gbps nics. I also have a third server w/ two 1Gbps nics I'll just call iscsi server. I'd like to know which port bonding method gives me 2Gbps effective from the iscsi server to the VM servers? |
| 00:09.25 | Richiie | macrobat: this is my line in fstab |
| 00:09.27 | Richiie | macrobat: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb/elements1.tb ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 00:09.37 | Richiie | macrobat: dunno if its wrong or right |
| 00:09.56 | bahatpc | macrobat: thanks! |
| 00:10.07 | macrobat | RichiH: you can mount it manually |
| 00:10.27 | Richiie | macrobat: yep thats what i tried still no sucess |
| 00:11.40 | macrobat | !tell Richiie -about user accessible ntfs |
| 00:11.41 | bahatpc | macrobat: PTS does *exactly* what I want, even with RSS feed. I actually checked that first, but completely missed this functionality *facepalm* |
| 00:11.46 | Cappy | folks, im using ubuntu to try and prepare a USB stick to install debian. im doing "sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc1" and i get "permission denied" |
| 00:11.50 | macrobat | !tell Richiie -about ntfs-3g |
| 00:12.15 | macrobat | bahatpc: :) |
| 00:13.23 | Richiie | macrobat: was that a bot? :P |
| 00:13.32 | macrobat | !bot |
| 00:13.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:13.50 | Richiie | haha :) |
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| 00:13.56 | BlackFate | Cappy, sudo sh -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc1" |
| 00:14.20 | Richiie | macrobat: but i will google on ntfs 3g and see what i can find |
| 00:14.39 | macrobat | you install it :) |
| 00:14.56 | Richiie | macrobat: i just didnt know it would be so hard to mount ntfs filesystem on Linux whitout any problems :/ |
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| 00:15.27 | macrobat | it works, you just need the proper tools |
| 00:15.29 | BlackFate | Richiie, its hard for me too, to config windows systems.. believe me |
| 00:15.33 | Cappy | BlackFate, thanks, i'll give that a try |
| 00:16.59 | boxxertrumps | man, i'm going to play tremulous, i haven't in so long |
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| 00:18.07 | \amethyst | boxxertrumps: have you tried Warsow? |
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| 00:21.02 | macrobat | or nexuiz? :) |
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| 00:25.26 | rfranknj | abiword package in squeeze appears to be broken |
| 00:25.38 | rfranknj | cannot find libgofffice-0.8.so.7 |
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| 00:27.34 | abrotman | rfranknj: if you really need to use it .. i could give you a dirty hack |
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| 00:29.10 | rfranknj | abrotman: haha yeah i'll just make a symlink |
| 00:29.27 | rfranknj | libgoffice-0.8.so.8 is in /usr/lib |
| 00:29.30 | rfranknj | someone just built the package wrong ;P |
| 00:29.37 | clipse | anyone know anything about qmail? I'm having an issue where i can send myself mail from ent@forrestjordanllc.com to ent@forrestjordanllc.com but when outside internet emails ent@forrestjordanllc.com it doesnt show up at the inbox on ent@forrestjordanllc.com.... the dns is all set correctly: domain forrestjordanllc.com..no errors show up when a person tries to email ent@forrestjordanllc.com either.. It just wont arrive at the inbox |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | rfranknj: the new dep is probably in sid on its way to testing |
| 00:32.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mutter. how can popcon be broken |
| 00:32.39 | boxxertrumps | i like nexuiz, not warsow |
| 00:32.46 | rfranknj | cool |
| 00:32.48 | boxxertrumps | tremulous hasn't changed at all |
| 00:32.55 | boxxertrumps | i think i'm going to uninstall it |
| 00:33.08 | boxxertrumps | errr, i haven't played warsow i should say |
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| 00:34.11 | baloo | If I have a bunch of directories full of music, where each directory represents an album and also contains a cover.jpg, what's the easiest way to tag each album's tracks with the cover art? easytag does it, but it's really fiddly; I'm looking for something noninteractive. |
| 00:35.43 | rfranknj | abrotman: are you a debian package maintainer? |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | no, why? |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | baloo: some players get the images from amazon |
| 00:36.31 | jvdm | baloo: there are python libs to play with id-tags, you could code something up. |
| 00:36.45 | rfranknj | baloo: ex falso perhaps |
| 00:36.54 | scratchme | I was interested in link bonding, and the recommended method for this scenario: I have a gigabit switch which supports 802.3ad. I have two VM Servers using debian, each with two 1Gbps nics. I also have a third server w/ two 1Gbps nics I'll just call iscsi server. I'd like to know which port bonding method gives me 2Gbps effective from the iscsi server to the VM servers? |
| 00:36.58 | rfranknj | python app that tagged stuff, not sure if it can do that.. might be able to |
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| 00:37.15 | kevinkal | baloo: amarok |
| 00:37.29 | rfranknj | abrotman: just curious -- every time i'm in here i see you, haha.. figured that might be because you're a maintainer |
| 00:37.46 | baloo | abrotman, That's sort of defeating the purpose if I've already got the cover art...I want to have the pictures in the tag so my portable player has them. |
| 00:37.47 | kevinkal | as long as by 'non interactive' you don't mean 'has a gui' |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | baloo: i realize that, i just thought i'd throw it out there as an option |
| 00:38.08 | Tramp | baloo: eyeD3 has an an option: --add-image=IMG_PATH:TYPE[:DESCRIPTION] - never used it though |
| 00:38.26 | baloo | Tramp, Interesting. |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | rfranknj: i think the easier path at this point would be to be a DM |
| 00:39.00 | rfranknj | what is a DM |
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| 00:40.07 | Th4xll | Hello, I'm trying to install libtool from backports but it failed, i'm using : apt-get -t lenny-backports install libtool but I still get the base lenny package. |
| 00:40.11 | baloo_ | checks into eyed3 and exfalso |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | Th4xll: try aptitude |
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| 00:40.31 | abrotman | rfranknj: Debian Maintainer, instead of Debian Developer |
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| 00:41.49 | Th4xll | Setting up libtool (1.5.26-4+lenny1) I don't know whi it's still using base package instead of backports :[ |
| 00:42.04 | Th4xll | I used : aptitude -t lenny-backports install libtool |
| 00:43.47 | abrotman | Th4xll: apt-cache policy libtool ... use a pastebin |
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| 00:46.27 | Th4xll | http://pastebin.com/rhv0Rvza |
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| 00:53.08 | themill | Th4xll: did you run "aptitude update" after editing your sources.list to add backports.org? |
| 00:53.22 | Th4xll | yep |
| 00:53.26 | kevinkal | wonders if there is a difference between Dungeon Master and Debian Maintainer |
| 00:53.29 | Th4xll | And I added the key too |
| 00:54.02 | themill | ,versions libtool |
| 00:54.02 | judd | libtool -- etch: 1.5.22-4; etch-security: 1.5.22-4+etch1; etch-backports: 1.5.24-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.2.6b-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.6b-2; squeeze: 2.2.6b-2 |
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| 00:54.26 | themill | Th4xll: amd64? |
| 00:54.32 | Th4xll | Yes ! |
| 00:54.33 | themill | ,versions libtool --release amd64 |
| 00:54.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libtool' was found. |
| 00:54.40 | themill | ,versions libtool --arch amd64 |
| 00:54.42 | judd | libtool -- etch: 1.5.22-4; etch-security: 1.5.22-4+etch1; etch-backports: 1.5.24-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; sid: 2.2.6b-2; squeeze: 2.2.6b-2 |
| 00:54.54 | themill | not on bpo for amd64.... (no idea why) |
| 00:55.09 | Th4xll | damned |
| 00:55.17 | Th4xll | So it's only i386 version ? |
| 00:56.05 | themill | yeah, which is pretty unusual |
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| 00:56.38 | Th4xll | In fact I need the bp version of Libtool to solve this problem : http://pastebin.com/gjFz1zaQ I'm having issues during Lighttpd + mod_h264 compilation |
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| 00:57.04 | Th4xll | According to Lighttpd chan it's a libtool problem |
| 00:57.41 | Th4xll | That's why I'm here :p |
| 00:57.47 | Baloo | Ok, so with eyeD3, what's the easiest way to crawl across music in ~/Music/<artistname>/<albumname> in one shot? |
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| 01:00.00 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 01:04.46 | DogBoy | Baloo, man find |
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| 01:05.25 | Baloo | Sure, that's great...if you're a computer scientist. |
| 01:05.42 | DogBoy | better to ask in #bash Baloo |
| 01:05.53 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 01:06.44 | mezod | wasnt that shania twain quoted? |
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| 01:07.35 | dbbolton | only computer scientists use find? |
| 01:08.05 | DogBoy | I wrote some scripts that use find for something similar |
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| 01:08.14 | DogBoy | but I read the man page when I did it |
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| 01:08.41 | DogBoy | vague question anyway, what does crawl thru with id mean |
| 01:09.28 | DogBoy | one thing is you can't use it in a for loop |
| 01:09.37 | DogBoy | they'll tell you that in #bash though |
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| 01:17.01 | dbbolton | why is the only gzcat manpage in turkish |
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| 01:19.50 | dbbolton | or a better question, where is the gzcat binary |
| 01:20.14 | dbbolton | apt-file search turns up that turkish manpage and a perl module. |
| 01:22.06 | rvsjoen | what do you want to do ? |
| 01:22.23 | dbbolton | i guess i'll just alias 'gunzip -c' to it. |
| 01:22.30 | rvsjoen | zcat |
| 01:23.18 | dbbolton | even shorter |
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| 01:24.28 | nervousTwitch | well install to eeepc went well only issue i can see i cant seem to get lcd back light bright enough when i turn up with brightness controls it gets dimmer and the brightness level in /proc/acpi/VGA/LCDD/brightness only goes to 36 any suggestions? |
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| 01:25.43 | dbbolton | nervousTwitch: i would make sure the correct driver is in use |
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| 01:27.35 | clipse | I have eth0:1 that has port 25 LISTENING. I'm trying to basically do this command: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2525 -i eth0 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 25 ---- the problem is.... port 2525 wont open up to the outside world...... still |
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| 01:33.11 | robbe- | Anyone ever experienced that eclipse doesn't want to connect to the internet, for example when trying to add repositories for addons, with a no route to host exception. I'm using the eclipse for plugin devs on a 64bit lenny system, so I don't expect support .. just wondering if there would be something stupid I'm missing. :-) |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | clipse: #netfilter |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | robbe-: known issue .. |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | robbe-: bugs.debian.org/560056 |
| 01:34.30 | robbe- | oh, it is? google didn't turn up much, but then again I didn't really know what terms to search for |
| 01:34.40 | robbe- | oh thanks, appreciate it |
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| 01:38.04 | XONE|Callum | hi, could anybody assist me with the use of savedefault in GRUB, using debian 5.04 as for some odd reason savedefault isnt having any affect |
| 01:38.19 | robbe- | That is /exactly/ what I'm experiencing, and it even has a workaround. Much obliged. I can get back to work now *G* |
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| 01:39.09 | XONE|Callum | robbe- , were you replying to my question ? |
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| 01:39.12 | abrotman | no, i answered his |
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| 01:39.27 | XONE|Callum | ah sorry |
| 01:39.40 | robbe- | XONE|Callum: Sorry for the confusion. :-) |
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| 01:39.49 | XONE|Callum | no problem ! |
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| 01:40.24 | XONE|Callum | just highly confused with debian at the moment, been using it for ages and never once had the savedefault command actually work (same grub version on other distros, its fine !) :( |
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| 01:40.54 | hans67521 | hi i have a custom debian livecd that i build |
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| 01:41.26 | hans67521 | how do i go about to create a script or something to install it to a hdd |
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| 01:51.47 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
| 01:52.12 | WhiteCrow1 | how can i remove icon trash in my desktop ? anyone knows? |
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| 01:54.32 | WhiteCrow1 | hehe i founded anyway tnx |
| 01:54.35 | WhiteCrow1 | bye |
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| 01:57.21 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i was wondering if there's any program i can install on my system that analyses my entire system hardware and if it finds a hardware that doesn't have a firmware or driver, it recommends some packages to install to make the hardware workable? |
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| 02:02.52 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:03.46 | kevinkal | resists showing his deeply cynical nature by not answering a question with "M$ Windows" |
| 02:04.17 | dbbolton | paranoidphreak: maybe jockey |
| 02:04.36 | boxxertrumps | needs real food... |
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| 02:07.10 | rdz | hi all. how to extract a debian directory from a .deb package? |
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| 02:08.30 | paranoidphreak | dbbolton: thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 02:08.45 | peterrooney | rdz: man dpkg |
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| 02:10.03 | Dewi | does apt-get track the 'automatic' flag these days? |
| 02:10.21 | Dewi | ie, is there any reason to use aptitude command lines instead of apt-get ones anymore? |
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| 02:11.14 | abrotman | Dewi: yes, aptitude has much much *much* better problem resolution |
| 02:11.43 | Dewi | abrotman: oh, that weighted conflict thing isn't in apt-get? |
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| 02:12.01 | abrotman | not AFAIK ... though i haven't used it in ages |
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| 02:18.42 | _Trinity_ | Iḿ trying to decide if installing off of backports is better than unstable or testing on amixed system. What says you all? |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | _Trinity_: depends on the target |
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| 02:22.23 | _Trinity_ | Iḿ running lxde 0.3.2.1 on Lenny (mixed with access to testing and unstable). Testing and unstable have lxde 0.5.0. --the version of lxde that I want to install |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | runs away in horror |
| 02:24.15 | _Trinity_ | abrotman: running away in horror because of my mixed system? |
| 02:24.23 | _Trinity_ | lool! |
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| 02:24.30 | _Trinity_ | It runs fine |
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| 02:25.04 | abrotman | so why are you asking about backports? you've already got a mess .. just keep going! |
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| 02:25.09 | _Trinity_ | an ultra moderm OS on a decade old ppc -- so no complaints |
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| 02:27.27 | _Trinity_ | ok, I vote for backports |
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| 02:28.53 | peterrooney | _Trinity_: then you should also look at /join #debianppc - very knowledgeable folk there on subject of powerpc |
| 02:29.35 | abrotman | i think that's on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:29.43 | sceeny | Hi. I'm using Debian Lenny and I noticed there is no user 'nobody'. How can I add that user? I'm sure there are special options I need to pass to adduser and stuff so that the user has no permissions, etc? |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | or not .. maybe it's larger on OFTC .. whatever |
| 02:29.55 | _Trinity_ | yeahm I know about that channel --good people but not usually there --which is why I like this channel. Thanks though |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | sceeny: what do you need it for ? |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman | sceeny: my system has that user |
| 02:30.23 | sceeny | abrotman: I'm running a daemon and I'd like for that daemon to run as the user nobody. |
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| 02:30.47 | sceeny | oh, I read the file wrong. I do have one. |
| 02:30.49 | sceeny | Oops. |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
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| 02:32.36 | nachos | hi, does anyone know how i can change the console 'mail' utility to use Maildir instead of /var/spool/mail ? |
| 02:33.05 | _Trinity_ | and that chennel is really good for ppc specific problems --which which mrunning a mixed system is not |
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| 02:33.34 | abrotman | nachos: depends on your MTA |
| 02:34.04 | nachos | how so abrotman |
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| 02:34.39 | f00li5h | nachos: i din't think it can.. try mutt perhaps |
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| 02:34.47 | nachos | yeah im using mutt |
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| 02:34.57 | abrotman | nachos: exim? postfix? |
| 02:35.01 | nachos | exim |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | oh, read email or send email ? |
| 02:35.14 | nachos | read mail |
| 02:35.19 | nachos | using the MAIL utility |
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| 02:35.21 | nachos | you know |
| 02:35.23 | nachos | %mail |
| 02:35.25 | ravenbird | a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 02:36.13 | nooper | nachos: is mail a symlink to mailx, and is it bsd-mailx or heirloom-mailx? |
| 02:37.11 | nachos | ./usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | nachos: i'm not sure it can read maildir .. sorry, misunderstood your question |
| 02:37.26 | nachos | np |
| 02:37.26 | nooper | nachos: and what does that point to? |
| 02:37.36 | f00li5h | %mail |
| 02:37.38 | ravenbird | a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 02:37.43 | f00li5h | robot! |
| 02:37.56 | nachos | nooper: i pasted it before |
| 02:38.19 | nachos | ./etc/alternatives/mail -> /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
| 02:38.22 | nachos | yeah is bsd mailx |
| 02:38.38 | nooper | use heirloom-mailx instead of bsd-mailx. it supports Maildir |
| 02:38.44 | f00li5h | nachos: mutt is good... what are you trying to achieve? |
| 02:39.02 | nooper | if you must use 'mail' that is. i personally prefer mutt |
| 02:39.11 | nachos | f00li5h: GET BACK TO YOUR CATNIP AND STOP TRYING TO SABBOTAGE MY PLANS FOR WORLD DOMINATION |
| 02:39.36 | f00li5h | break'n balls today, ask anyone... |
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| 02:46.18 | GPenguin | peace(); |
| 02:46.49 | jvdm | nachos: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:46.58 | peterrooney | GPenguin: but the return on that is nothing |
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| 02:47.04 | nachos | jvdm: get a mail client to read ~/Maildir |
| 02:47.26 | nachos | the console one |
| 02:47.40 | GPenguin | where is enouf? |
| 02:47.47 | nachos | get THE mail client to read ~/maildir |
| 02:48.04 | jvdm | nachos: look at $MAIL and point it to whatever mailbox you want, or mail -f |
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| 02:48.18 | jvdm | nachos: i don't know if `mail' understands Maildir format, though |
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| 02:50.04 | nachos | it works thanks |
| 02:50.13 | nachos | whats the best place to set the MAIL env var? |
| 02:50.22 | nachos | in pam.login or ? |
| 02:51.46 | jvdm | if you use a local MTA (like exim) probably you won't need to setup anything |
| 02:53.02 | nachos | hierloom works |
| 02:53.14 | nachos | but i need to specify -f or set $MAIL |
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| 02:54.41 | brad_ | hi |
| 02:55.54 | brad_ | I'm having some raid problems. I lost one drive, and while backing up the rest I found a few bad spots on another which caused the raid to go offline, can I reactivate the raid readonly so I can extract as much data as possable |
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| 03:01.45 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HajkIDsSGMI |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | Agiofws: wrong channel |
| 03:03.40 | Agiofws | yeah |
| 03:03.45 | Agiofws | wrong |
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| 03:08.59 | valdyn | brad_: mdadm --assemble --assume-clean |
| 03:09.55 | brad_ | I keep getting --assume-clean not valid in assemble mode |
| 03:11.00 | valdyn | brad_: is --create instead probably |
| 03:11.04 | valdyn | brad_: see the manpage |
| 03:11.51 | brad_ | I stopped the raid, and can't figure out how to reactivate it, it can't assemble from 3 drives, but I'm specifing 4 |
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| 03:13.21 | _Trinity_ | ; |
| 03:14.00 | _Trinity_ | ood, I can't post to another channel on this network |
| 03:14.25 | Zharf | there's no ood here |
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| 03:16.03 | ugly | when I close the lid on my Dell laptop (e1405), the screen blanks fine, but it won't turn back on when the lid is opened again. I've tried using ctrl-alt-f1/f7 to wake the screen back up, but that has stopped working in a recent testing branch upgrade. What could be the cause of this? |
| 03:16.47 | _Trinity_ | anyone using lxdm? I can't find it in any otf the repos |
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| 03:19.09 | _Trinity_ | be back |
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| 03:21.59 | Hannahaus | http://imgnow.info/DSC-7-03-10.jpg/ do my tits look small? |
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| 03:23.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | lawl |
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| 03:24.40 | rfranknj | what driver should i be using to get hardware acceleration w/ a radeon x1600? \ |
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| 03:24.56 | abrotman | probably radeon or radeonhd should work |
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| 03:26.02 | rfranknj | opengl vendor string in glxinfo should NOT have mesa in it if hard accel is working right |
| 03:26.13 | rfranknj | tried both radeon and radeonhd and i'm pretty sure |
| 03:26.19 | rfranknj | there is no hard accel |
| 03:26.27 | rfranknj | tried running tux racer. ran like crap |
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| 03:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you expect... it's a penguin, not a racecar |
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| 03:37.07 | robbe- | rfranknj: 'glxinfo | grep -i direct' is an easier way to check for direct rendering :) |
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| 03:37.50 | rfranknj | well |
| 03:37.51 | rfranknj | it says yes |
| 03:37.54 | rfranknj | but performance still blows |
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| 03:39.05 | robbe- | I'm not experienced in the ati corner, so I'm afraid that was all I had. |
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| 03:41.43 | rfranknj | :( |
| 03:41.49 | rfranknj | well, do you know if direct rendering pertains to 3d or 2d? |
| 03:41.55 | rfranknj | its possible i have 2d accel but not 3d i guess |
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| 03:43.21 | jhambo | I'm on lenny. Want to run xp in a virtual machine with working USB. What are my options? |
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| 03:45.34 | nachos | jhambo: virtualbox ?? |
| 03:46.19 | jhambo | nachos: isn't it correct that the OSE version disables USB? |
| 03:46.30 | nachos | not sure |
| 03:46.43 | nachos | i sue it on win7 and it seems to all work fine |
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| 03:47.20 | jhambo | nachos: win7 as the guest? |
| 03:47.51 | nachos | win7 as host |
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| 03:48.02 | nachos | debian/win2k8 sserver as guest |
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| 03:54.28 | chops1 | User_007: Tried the BTS? |
| 03:54.43 | wols | jhambo: the closed source virtualbox is your option |
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| 03:55.25 | wols | andrew__: which installer image exactly? |
| 03:55.44 | wols | and the installer wants to mount it on its own. not you to help it |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | andrew__: how did you prepare the usb drive ? |
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| 03:59.15 | User_007 | chops1, not yet |
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| 04:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "just" 200 fps? |
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| 04:06.22 | andrew__ | wols: boot.img.gz, most recent then the most recent net install iso |
| 04:06.25 | andrew__ | for i386 |
| 04:06.44 | andrew__ | abrotman: I did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:06.56 | andrew__ | then copied across the iso image, install has gone fine until now |
| 04:08.04 | dondelelcaro | andrew__: how did you copy the iso image? |
| 04:08.40 | andrew__ | dondelelcaro, cp debian-5* /mnt/usbs |
| 04:09.20 | dondelelcaro | andrew__: there should be only one iso. what does the log on console 4 say? |
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| 04:09.51 | andrew__ | dondelelcaro, there is only one iso |
| 04:09.55 | andrew__ | and its on the usb drive |
| 04:10.19 | dondelelcaro | andrew__: and which iso is it? does it match the architecture of the boot.img.gz you're using? |
| 04:10.24 | wols | andrew__: use stable for installing |
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| 04:11.01 | squisher | hi, does anyone know the status of Debian Pure Blends? I found a description on the wiki, but it seems like it's only an outline |
| 04:11.07 | andrew__ | dondelelcaro, it would have to wouldnt it if the install has gone fine thus far, I am upto installing grub. In the log it is asking for that cd |
| 04:11.13 | dondelelcaro | squisher: what about them? |
| 04:11.16 | andrew__ | wols: I did use stable |
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| 04:11.59 | squisher | dondelelcaro, well, if someone wanted to create a Debian Pure Blend, can they, or is mork work needed for the framework? |
| 04:12.36 | andrew__ | how do I get to the install menu? |
| 04:12.51 | dondelelcaro | squisher: the pure blends are derivatives of debian which generally only differ in a few packages (if that) |
| 04:13.32 | dondelelcaro | squisher: so there's not much in the way of framework needed |
| 04:14.18 | squisher | dondelelcaro, but i.e. the way of patching configuration files. That seems to me like the essential part, mentions some tool - but no like for example |
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| 04:20.58 | andrew__ | anyone? dondelelcaro, do you know if there is a shortcut key for 'go back' in the install menu? |
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| 04:33.32 | nachos | something is seriosuly wrong |
| 04:33.43 | nachos | courier is using ipv6 and for some reason tcpv4 is working over it?? |
| 04:33.52 | nachos | this is on my guest communicating with my host |
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| 04:39.07 | laurus | How do I unzip a .xz file? |
| 04:39.49 | jhambo | I installed virtualbox but inside the guest (win xp) I can't seem to get a network adapter. Any ideas? |
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| 04:40.07 | andre_pl | I've added a third party repo which slightly broken at the moment, several of the addons have a dependency on a slightly lower svn revision than the current binary, is there anyw ay I can force apt to install them anyway? |
| 04:41.31 | Cappy | whats the package name for gnome? is it gnome-dekstop-enviroment ?? or gnome-core ??? |
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| 04:49.11 | WormFood | If I didn't see this shit with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it! The last time locate indexed my system was the last time my computer was booted (48 days ago)...I look in /etc/cron.daily, and there is no locate...I check aptitude and see that "locate" is installed. I try to find "locate" in /etc using "find", and it tells me it is in /etc/cron.daily/locate...*now* it shows up in /etc/cron.daily/...WHAT THE FUCK?!?! |
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| 04:52.48 | peterrooney | laurus: what kind of file does `file' say it is? |
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| 04:53.04 | flaccid | bbl |
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| 04:56.35 | mrshiny | laurus: what does the 'file' command say about the file? |
| 04:57.10 | mrshiny | (bleh. note to self, read the buffer before answering) |
| 04:57.12 | laurus | mrshiny, it's okay, I figured it out. .tar.xz isn't supported by file-roller in Debian Lenny, only Squeeze. |
| 04:57.20 | laurus | And peterrooney |
| 04:57.21 | laurus | :) |
| 04:57.26 | laurus | But thanks. I gave up on that stupid file anyway. |
| 04:58.26 | laurus | How can I see what OTF fonts I have installed? |
| 04:59.01 | Cappy | whats the package name for gnome? is it gnome-dekstop-enviroment or gnome-core ??? |
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| 05:00.49 | laurus | Never mind, figured that one out too. |
| 05:00.52 | laurus | 'night all! |
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| 05:08.29 | robbe- | Cappy: 'apt-get install gnome' doesn't work for you then? |
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| 05:10.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:10.49 | dpkg | < dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
| 05:10.57 | Cappy | i hadn't updated apt since my install |
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| 05:17.01 | jhambo | is it possible to take an old hard disc that was running e.g. debian or xp, and make copy of the data that can be run from e.g. virtualbox? |
| 05:18.54 | Cappy | ok, robbe- i've updated apt now and i still get "E: Couldn't find package gnome" when i try to "apt-get install gnome" |
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| 05:19.53 | robbe- | odd, want to pastebin your sources.list ? |
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| 05:20.36 | Cappy | hrmmm the machine im doing it on doesnt have a browser, but i'll type it out... its stock standard from a clean install... if that helps |
| 05:21.11 | nachos | whats the default group of /etc/shadow? |
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| 05:22.46 | Joint | hey is there any GUI programs for printing? |
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| 05:26.11 | adb | system-config-printer - graphical interface to configure the printing system |
| 05:26.24 | WormFood | jhambo, maybe. It depends....Linux should work ok, but getting XPee to work may be harder depending on what hardware it is expecting to see. (it will act the same as if you moved the hard drive to a new computer with different hardware in it) |
| 05:26.45 | Joint | adb, naw i was hoping something like xpp |
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| 05:26.48 | Joint | which i found, |
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| 05:28.30 | Cappy | "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny-updates main" and their deb-src's are the lines from "/etc/apt/sources.list" anyone see a reason why i cant find gnome ?? |
| 05:29.11 | simonrvn | because you don't have a normal deb line |
| 05:29.18 | robbe- | what simonrvn said |
| 05:29.35 | Cappy | hrmm ok, does the default install not create one? |
| 05:29.40 | simonrvn | you need those, but you need one more |
| 05:29.41 | robbe- | it should |
| 05:29.53 | simonrvn | it does normally |
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| 05:30.32 | Cappy | hrmm well i'll look for a mirror to use =) |
| 05:30.45 | robbe- | try adding something like 'deb http://ftp.<country code>.debian.org/debian/ <release name> main <..>' for example |
| 05:30.56 | simonrvn | ftp.CC.debian.org/debian main [contrib non-free] (CC == country's 2-letter code, [optional]) |
| 05:31.09 | robbe- | :) |
| 05:31.10 | simonrvn | oh woops forgot the release ^_^ |
| 05:31.52 | Cappy | so it would be "deb http://au.debian.org/debian lenny main" ? |
| 05:32.07 | robbe- | no, ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 05:32.48 | Cappy | hrmm so http://ftp. ? |
| 05:32.50 | chid | Dang, why is debian so huge |
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| 05:33.02 | robbe- | Cappy: yes :) |
| 05:33.10 | Cappy | ok, thanks, i'll add it now |
| 05:33.35 | chid | is there any other way to install debian other than using disk media/net install. |
| 05:34.05 | robbe- | #define not_huge |
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| 05:34.40 | Soli | chid: Oh, I think it's pretty reasonable. You only need one disc to burn everything.... One ---blue-ray--- disc, but still. :) |
| 05:35.03 | chid | most people don't have blue-ray readers;) |
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| 05:42.02 | nooper | i believe you can install it via usb boot |
| 05:42.18 | chid | with a 24gb flash disk maybe? |
| 05:42.31 | chid | I don't know, if you could download the dvd images one by one |
| 05:42.36 | chid | and put them onto flash drive |
| 05:42.56 | nooper | usb needs 128 mb. so it'll be a very base install |
| 05:43.08 | chid | oh okay |
| 05:43.29 | chid | is there anyway to install it via, say a big ext hd? |
| 05:45.22 | f00li5h | netboot an installer! |
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| 05:46.36 | Soli | chid: yes, your hard drive will need to be vfat or ext3, and it will requires that it's bootable (ie: you'll have to install lilo or grub on it). |
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| 05:46.55 | TomyLobo | chid i'd recommend netinst |
| 05:47.13 | TomyLobo | unless you're installing a huge bunch of machines at the same time |
| 05:47.52 | f00li5h | TomyLobo: then you just need a local mirror |
| 05:48.17 | chid | f00li5h, oh I have a uni mirror |
| 05:48.24 | f00li5h | paw at it! |
| 05:48.26 | chid | it's just that with download speeds of like 50kb/s |
| 05:48.29 | chid | paws |
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| 05:49.19 | TomyLobo | f00li5h yeah, but setting up a local mirror is not really trivial :) |
| 05:49.28 | TomyLobo | i think burning a blu-ray disk is easier |
| 05:49.40 | chid | ohright |
| 05:49.43 | chid | local mirror eah |
| 05:49.44 | TomyLobo | or a dvd with the basic packages |
| 05:49.46 | chid | I think I guess I could set it up |
| 05:49.57 | nooper | if you're getting 50kb/s, might be faster to buy a install disk |
| 05:49.58 | f00li5h | TomyLobo: there's a package for a mirror |
| 05:50.00 | chid | just have to download the debian |
| 05:50.02 | chid | off |
| 05:50.05 | chid | server |
| 05:50.06 | f00li5h | err, cache... but after a full install it's the same case ;) |
| 05:50.17 | chid | I know ;P |
| 05:50.24 | chid | but it saves burning those pesky dvds |
| 05:50.32 | TomyLobo | f00li5h package for what? :) |
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| 05:50.36 | chid | and doesn't cost too much |
| 05:50.38 | Origen | Evening All, I'd like to have some monitoring scripts send an email to my gmail account when/if an error occures. Whats the easiest method to send emails to my GMail account? |
| 05:50.40 | f00li5h | TomyLobo: for a package mirror |
| 05:50.45 | f00li5h | apt-mirror |
| 05:50.49 | TomyLobo | i mean what do you install it to |
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| 05:51.09 | f00li5h | install debian, install that package ... tell installer to use that machine as the package repo |
| 05:51.13 | TomyLobo | isn't that one of those chicken-egg problems? |
| 05:51.16 | f00li5h | NO |
| 05:51.20 | f00li5h | there are no chickens! |
| 05:51.36 | chid | lol |
| 05:51.41 | f00li5h | i belive you can have the machine install via it's own cache ... |
| 05:51.48 | f00li5h | but i'm not sure how you'd go about that kind of sneakyness ... |
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| 05:52.14 | f00li5h | i think it snags the packages from dpkg's stash and provides them via the mirror too |
| 05:53.02 | simonrvn | hello f00li5h |
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| 05:53.11 | f00li5h | paws at simonrvn |
| 05:53.37 | simonrvn | meow |
| 05:53.37 | chid | f00li5h seems to never ever sleep |
| 05:53.47 | chid | probably because he lives in my damned time zone |
| 05:53.52 | f00li5h | Ill sleep when i'm dead... or when the coffee runs out |
| 05:54.03 | chid | or both |
| 05:54.13 | chid | dead because the coffee runs out! |
| 05:55.16 | f00li5h | well, i suppose coffee oes run out when I die... since i'm not going to brew any more ... |
| 05:55.29 | chid | heh |
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| 05:58.09 | TomyLobo | wow, someone should spellcheck the apt-mirror package description :D |
| 05:58.24 | chid | can't you do that? |
| 06:00.20 | simonrvn | yeh, file a bug report for that |
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| 06:03.16 | chid | I'm curious f00li5h, do you frequent any other channels than debian and perl ;) (you seem to be a huge helper in perl!) |
| 06:03.48 | Cappy | damn, is it normal for gnome to want 600mb+ of archives downloaded? |
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| 06:04.09 | f00li5h | chid: It depends what i'm doing ... if I expect to need help wth debian stuff, i generally help out ahead of time |
| 06:04.15 | simonrvn | it's gnome. 'noguh said :P. |
| 06:04.25 | simonrvn | 'nough even |
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| 06:06.23 | Hatter[1] | i have found as hard drives are getting bigger, partitions are getting larger, so when ext3 wants to do a fsck it takes a lot longer... annoying when its hit its limit and does an auto fsck on reboot, any ideas on a better idea ? maybe use a different filesystem ? |
| 06:06.24 | chid | hehe, I see :D |
| 06:07.42 | Soli | Hatter[1], you can tune the number of mount count or time between each fsck with tune2fs. |
| 06:09.09 | Hatter[1] | Soli, thats a good idea, is there another filesystem that can do a fsck on the fly ? |
| 06:09.54 | Soli | I've been trying to use xfs on one of my server, but it's not had been long enough to really comment on it. |
| 06:10.51 | simonrvn | make sure you have an ups if you use xfs (not as bad as it used to though) |
| 06:11.06 | paranoidphreak | i'm planning on installing debian on a different system that has different hardware. i created an image using partimage of my old system, can i reload this image on to the new system or i have to start from scratch? |
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| 06:11.49 | simonrvn | if it's the same arch, you can. might need to fix bootloader things. |
| 06:12.00 | Hatter[1] | soli, hmmm, yeah, i have been using ext3 for my linux time, so i am scared to try another... |
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| 06:12.08 | Soli | simonrvn: I do. But do you have inputs against the use of xfs in production settings? |
| 06:12.37 | slushpuppeh | Hi, when I try to install something consolekit: Breaks: udev (< 147) but 146-6 is to be installed |
| 06:12.37 | slushpuppeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.37 | slushpuppeh | feature is disabled in the running kernel. |
| 06:12.52 | simonrvn | put your backups on ext2/ext3? :) |
| 06:12.54 | slushpuppeh | Woops, sorry for the 3 line paste |
| 06:13.28 | paranoidphreak | simonrvn: did u answer my question? |
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| 06:13.49 | simonrvn | yes paranoidphreak |
| 06:14.01 | Soli | Backup are safe on LTO4 drives! :) |
| 06:14.27 | TomyLobo | slushpuppeh squeeze? |
| 06:14.41 | TomyLobo | upgrading from lenny atm? |
| 06:15.11 | paranoidphreak | simonrvn: thanks, arch??? i have x86 system on both; is that what ur referring to |
| 06:15.26 | simonrvn | paranoidphreak: yes it is. then np. |
| 06:15.44 | Soli | Hatter[1]: Is the fsck check only a time annoyance at bootup or a issue about reaching 99.999% uptime? If it's just a annoyance, just tune it with tune2fs and manually run fsck when you have a unexpected poweroff or other issues. Might be good to use a smart monitoring tools so you can catch up early a failling hard disk drive. |
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| 06:16.03 | simonrvn | Soli: it's nice and stable otherwise. fast if your cpu(s) don't mind the extra overhead. |
| 06:16.22 | slushpuppeh | TomyLobo, debian etch, not upgrading anything |
| 06:16.36 | simonrvn | you should be upgrading to lenny |
| 06:16.36 | paranoidphreak | simonrvn: perfect, thanks for your help...i thought i had to start from scratch like in windows |
| 06:16.39 | TomyLobo | etch? that's rather old |
| 06:16.54 | slushpuppeh | yeah |
| 06:16.57 | Soli | simonrvn: I've been very impressed with the on-the-fly resizable capacity. Really hand for maintenance without affecting uptime. |
| 06:16.57 | paranoidphreak | simonrvn: saved me alot of time |
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| 06:17.21 | TomyLobo | slushpuppeh upgrading is easy, just takes some time to download the packages |
| 06:17.27 | TomyLobo | !etch->lenny |
| 06:17.35 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 06:17.42 | simonrvn | meh |
| 06:17.44 | slushpuppeh | TomyLobo, I can't even install anything using apt however :X |
| 06:17.56 | simonrvn | seems that ! -> bug is fixed |
| 06:17.58 | Hatter[1] | soli, yes an annoyance on reboot, which maybe is not an annoyance until a few years later, but for remote sites a bit annoying, |
| 06:18.13 | TomyLobo | !"etch->lenny" |
| 06:18.18 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 06:18.18 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 06:18.28 | simonrvn | ...or not |
| 06:18.34 | slushpuppeh | Alright, thanks TomyLobo |
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| 06:21.13 | TomyLaptop | slushpuppeh, better do those steps one by one |
| 06:21.25 | TomyLaptop | according to what you've told, you might get problems in step 2 |
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| 06:22.50 | slushpuppeh | Yeah, there was a reference to my original problem, but it offered to upgrade it to v 152 of udev |
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| 06:24.12 | research | how possible it is to use MatLab on Debian |
| 06:24.23 | research | which is better: MatLab or Octave.... |
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| 06:41.31 | blockcold | hey knppix is based on debian ? |
| 06:42.25 | blockcold | lol n00b here |
| 06:42.31 | blockcold | plz tell me |
| 06:44.03 | f00li5h | blockcold: perhaps you should check their site |
| 06:44.35 | blockcold | ok |
| 06:45.07 | blockcold | wimt: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 06:45.08 | blockcold | et: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 06:45.08 | blockcold | et: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 06:46.01 | blockcold | :((( |
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| 06:47.34 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 06:47.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 06:47.41 | Hatter[1] | i've got a tftp server to install lenny with on new machines, what if i want to also have an option to boot a desktop on a thin client ? |
| 06:48.06 | simonrvn | !ltsp |
| 06:48.07 | dpkg | hmm... ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:48.34 | Hatter[1] | simonrvn.... oh yeah... the ltsp.... |
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| 06:48.48 | simonrvn | they have good docs at their site |
| 06:49.39 | Hatter[1] | simonrvn, cool, have you used it ? |
| 06:49.58 | simonrvn | many years ago i did |
| 06:50.08 | Hatter[1] | i wonder if its easy to have a fresh install option alongside a thin client option |
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| 06:57.02 | bunder | installed php but for some reason going to / makes me want to download a phtml, but /index.php works fine |
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| 07:03.49 | bunder | odd, and now its fine |
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| 07:08.00 | Baloo | ie, automatically detected thumb drives, cameras, etc. |
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| 07:15.40 | wasmahen | hi, i have created a url shortener, anyone would want it? |
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| 07:24.09 | slushpuppeh | Hi, I just upgraded to debian lenny, and I am still getting this problem with udev Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATEDfeature is disabled in the running kernel. |
| 07:26.24 | Joint | slushpuppeh, do this touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade |
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| 07:26.28 | Joint | and then do apt-get -f install |
| 07:26.43 | Joint | and it will be the problem |
| 07:26.44 | slushpuppeh | Alright, thanks |
| 07:26.48 | Joint | np, |
| 07:28.05 | Joint | slushpuppeh, make sure you download another version of the kernel before reboot |
| 07:28.34 | slushpuppeh | o.O, How would I do that |
| 07:28.35 | Joint | if not you will get kernel panic |
| 07:28.41 | Joint | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:28.43 | Joint | and then download one |
| 07:29.53 | slushpuppeh | Then i'll go througb the usual process of unpackaging, make, etc? |
| 07:29.59 | Joint | hmm yeah |
| 07:30.01 | slushpuppeh | Or can all this be done via apt? |
| 07:30.16 | Joint | via apt |
| 07:30.42 | Joint | apt-get install kernel-image |
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| 07:31.44 | slushpuppeh | uname nets "2.6.26-1-686" so I guess I can do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-2-686? |
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| 07:33.30 | Joint | slushpuppeh, download a newer version of the kernel |
| 07:33.39 | slushpuppeh | Ok |
| 07:34.14 | Joint | just don't reboot |
| 07:34.16 | Joint | with out, |
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| 07:34.25 | Joint | installing a newer version, cause you'll get kernel panic |
| 07:34.33 | slushpuppeh | Alrighty :P |
| 07:35.38 | slushpuppeh | thanks for your help |
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| 07:38.54 | Joint | np |
| 07:39.36 | Cappy | ok, im trying to find some repo's on a peer'd network, i have an address, but apt-get update and likewise in synaptic, keeps failing. |
| 07:44.39 | Joint | Cappy, remove it |
| 07:44.41 | Joint | and add another one |
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| 07:45.46 | Cappy | hrmm that would be good, but if I can add a peer'd repo, i get free data. |
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| 07:46.08 | Cappy | free data = good =) |
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| 08:11.18 | jae | You know what's annoying about Debian? Things like this: http://bugs.debian.org/572031 |
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| 08:11.59 | icemar | hi all |
| 08:12.16 | icemar | I get a socket exception when I try to start up tomcat in eclipse. I'm using debian. how can I fix it ,please. |
| 08:13.34 | dondelelcaro | jae: what about it? |
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| 08:16.18 | dondelelcaro | jae: its a bug; there's a patch, and it's been there for a few days |
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| 08:46.18 | jae | dondelelcaro: and it's been there for a week, it makes the package in question (mostly) unusable, and it got *zero* reaction from the maintainers |
| 08:46.25 | jae | That last bit is the most annoying |
| 08:46.54 | streuner__ | you didnt unterstand Debian then |
| 08:47.58 | jae | No, of course I don't, I'm a dumbass.... if you say so |
| 08:48.13 | phaidros | actually it is not that hard to build that package on your own |
| 08:48.28 | jae | In other words: care to enlighten me? What don't I understand? |
| 08:48.31 | phaidros | but, honestly, for a production system it would be great if the maintainer react quicker |
| 08:48.48 | phaidros | actually, is there something like ppa for debian? |
| 08:48.55 | streuner | jae: well, feel free to send patches |
| 08:49.06 | babilen | you wouldn't run sid on a production system anyway |
| 08:49.09 | phaidros | it is a quite useful thing in the ubuntu world to have an easy way to integrate user supported packages |
| 08:49.14 | jae | streuner: there's a patch attached to the bug report :P |
| 08:49.24 | phaidros | jae: you are on sid? |
| 08:49.55 | H2S04 | phaidros, if you're on Sid expecting a production system... |
| 08:49.57 | dondelelcaro | jae: that package is team maintained, and the maintainers may be busy |
| 08:49.58 | H2S04 | wow. |
| 08:50.09 | jae | phaidros: no, except for lighty (yeah, stupid me... too many years of good experiences with sid :() |
| 08:50.17 | phaidros | H2S04: reread what I wrote ;) |
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| 08:51.02 | H2S04 | phaidros, NEVER |
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| 08:52.55 | phaidros | jae: well, kinda lost in translation you are now: good experiences with sid, happy having debian productive system, a team oriented process upstream (the package maintainers), and the lack of an updated package. well, that counts as bad luck, but no one to blame. dunno what the openssl bug that hit debian once would then be for you. or the lack of security maintainers .. thoise things happen. it is a free world. you can either accept that ... |
| 08:52.56 | babilen | jae: Just create your own package that incorporates the submitted patch - test and report your findings in the bug report. You could also contact the maintainer and ask about the bug status - but do that in a nice way. Remember: We are *all* volunteers |
| 08:53.01 | phaidros | ... or blame it to be a liberal bullshit, and that someone just *has* to package that darn thing *(no |
| 08:53.04 | phaidros | *now* |
| 08:53.07 | jae | dondelelcaro: I wouldn't be as annoyed if it weren't team-maintained... I thought the very idea behind team-maintenance was that "busyness" isn't that big a problem |
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| 08:54.35 | dondelelcaro | jae: that assumes that the team has lots of people there; sometimes it's just a single person |
| 08:55.05 | jae | phaidros: which openssl bug? URL? (Only vaguely remember something about openssl...) |
| 08:55.12 | streuner | a single people who do the whole work is no exeption |
| 08:55.18 | babilen | jae: Just create a local package and get over it. If you want to help contact the team and ask them if they would take a look at your package. |
| 08:55.25 | jae | dondelelcaro: then that'd be false advertising ;) |
| 08:55.48 | Cappy | anyone here using netspace repo's in AU? |
| 08:55.50 | dondelelcaro | jae: not reall |
| 08:56.03 | phaidros | jae: I think 2 yrs ago, when alot of keys / certs were just weak, it is long rotten out. actually the only trace of it is the openssl-blacklist package, hopefully still being installed on all productive systems >) |
| 08:56.43 | streuner | s/people/person/ |
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| 08:57.05 | icebrain | dondelelcaro: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 08:57.10 | babilen | Cappy: Why do you ask? |
| 08:57.30 | icebrain | sorry, not dondelelcaro, jae |
| 08:57.46 | Cappy | babilen, im not having any luck setting one up. |
| 08:57.49 | babilen | Cappy: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html - *might* be what you are looking for |
| 08:58.19 | babilen | Cappy: What are you trying to set up? |
| 08:58.40 | jae | icebrain: thanks |
| 08:58.46 | Cappy | babilen, the ISP i am with is on the same peering network as Netspace, and i get free data to their repo's |
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| 08:58.59 | babilen | Cappy: and? |
| 08:59.05 | phaidros | thx icebrain |
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| 08:59.48 | Cappy | babilen, im pastebining the output from apt-get update |
| 08:59.52 | Cappy | bbs |
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| 09:00.45 | jae | is rolling up his sleeves to do a local lighty .deb |
| 09:01.09 | dondelelcaro | jae: anyway, if lighttpd is a package that you care about, join the team and help out. eloy is the person who has been doing almost all of the work lately |
| 09:01.17 | jae | has, in the far past, installed a lot of stuff manually into /usr/local (actually, /usr/local/stow) |
| 09:01.27 | babilen | jae: If you want to know how to recompile the package with the aforementioned patch: "/msg dpkg package recompile". You might also want to have a look at the patch system used by the system (quilt et al) ... |
| 09:01.29 | jae | 's why I'm reluctant to do it these days |
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| 09:01.43 | jae | It's a lot easier and less hassle to just apt-get |
| 09:02.08 | babilen | jae: s/system/package |
| 09:02.53 | phaidros | quilt is definitely a skill worth to learn, have that one on my todo as well :) |
| 09:03.01 | babilen | yeah |
| 09:04.06 | babilen | jae: If you need help with that, you might want to join #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net - That way you'll help yourself (by getting a fixed package) and Debian (by helping out) |
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| 09:09.42 | krion | hi |
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| 09:12.54 | babilen | welcome |
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| 09:22.46 | jamieleshaw | hey, does irc work through ultravpn? |
| 09:23.26 | jamieleshaw | irc doesn't work for me through ultravpn |
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| 09:24.25 | jamieleshaw | hey, does irc work through ultravpn? |
| 09:24.29 | jamieleshaw | oops |
| 09:24.49 | babilen | jamieleshaw: I don't know ultravpn, but I would say that this depends on how IRC traffic is handled by your VPN provider |
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| 09:25.14 | jamieleshaw | Thanks babilen :) |
| 09:25.31 | phaidros | this reminds me to set up v6 vpn on my new debian install :) |
| 09:25.37 | phaidros | thanx jamieleshaw |
| 09:25.46 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 09:25.49 | jamieleshaw | np |
| 09:26.17 | phaidros | ipv6 vpn is so great to make your machine accessable from wherever, whenever you want. just make an AAAA reacord and all fine |
| 09:26.27 | jamieleshaw | has a fear of getting ddos'ed. |
| 09:26.30 | phaidros | can recomment sixxxs or hurrican is said good things about |
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| 09:26.40 | phaidros | jamieleshaw: honestly, never happened anywhere yet |
| 09:26.50 | phaidros | s/anywhere/anywhere at my machines/ |
| 09:26.56 | nooper | ultravpn admin says irc ports will remain blocked |
| 09:27.01 | nooper | jamieleshaw: ^ |
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| 09:27.11 | babilen | jamieleshaw: AFAICT there is no linux version for UltraVPN |
| 09:27.12 | jamieleshaw | thanks nooper |
| 09:27.19 | aachatz | how is this working please |
| 09:27.20 | phaidros | jamieleshaw: further, just switch your tunnel of, in case ;) |
| 09:27.26 | jamieleshaw | yeah, it still works though |
| 09:27.35 | babilen | nooper: Where have you found that information? |
| 09:27.42 | nooper | babilen: https://www.ultravpn.fr/forum/index.php?topic=225.0 |
| 09:27.58 | babilen | nooper: thanks |
| 09:28.11 | jamieleshaw | Does anyone know a vpn that doesn't block irc ? |
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| 09:28.53 | jamieleshaw | sorry, for asking so many questions :P lol |
| 09:29.06 | babilen | Why is that up to the VPN software vendor and not the system administrator of the VPN? |
| 09:29.09 | babilen | is confused |
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| 09:29.45 | jamieleshaw | hmm |
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| 09:30.21 | phaidros | jamieleshaw: try openvpn, but figure with your vpn admin before if the port is open (as in allowed to use) anyways |
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| 09:30.54 | jamieleshaw | Is openvpn free? |
| 09:31.04 | jamieleshaw | oh wait nvm |
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| 09:31.35 | fireba11 | OPENvpn :-D |
| 09:31.55 | jae | Is there a (n easy) way of finding out which packages on a system are from which dist (yes, mixed lenny/sid...) |
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| 09:38.12 | stockholm | what key are security builds signed with? on servers in the US i get that the sudo package is not trusted |
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| 09:39.42 | pom_ | I have a Debian server that I suspect is involved in some spam-sending. The machine isn't involved in any mailing, thus I'd like to shut off any application on it that may provide relaying or alike. What should I make sure is not running and can anyone provide any tips on getting more info about the problem? |
| 09:40.06 | pom_ | Isn't involved in any mailing => does not provide us with mail capability. |
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| 09:40.31 | xok | hello all.. |
| 09:40.37 | Joint | hello |
| 09:40.40 | meliowant | Hi guys.... Is there any way to check, why system is locking for a while (i.e. when changing active windows, trying to close some tabs in Iceweasel etc...) CPU is not loaded to much, swap is empty, |
| 09:40.44 | xok | I've got problem with NIC.. |
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| 09:41.03 | jelly | pom_: any web-based applications? |
| 09:41.09 | xok | my network card doesn't get identified.. |
| 09:41.24 | meliowant | How to find out the bottle hole? |
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| 09:42.35 | xok | anyone please?.. |
| 09:42.42 | jelly | pom_: if there's a mail-transfer-agent installed, check its logs. If there's a web server installed, check its logs for abuse, too. Failing all that, inspect outbound and inbound network traffic. |
| 09:42.44 | Joint | no ideas |
| 09:42.53 | xok | I can't get to work my new GigaLink network card.. |
| 09:43.03 | Joint | xok, have you google it? |
| 09:43.11 | jelly | xok: what's its pci-id number? |
| 09:43.15 | xok | Joint: yes, nothin appropriate.. |
| 09:43.21 | jelly | xok: use lspci -nn to find out |
| 09:43.46 | babilen | xok: "lspci -nn|grep -i ether" |
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| 09:44.41 | xok | http://pastebin.com/JNji70AQ |
| 09:44.44 | xok | what's next?.. |
| 09:45.05 | xok | there are two NICs, one of them gets working without problem.. |
| 09:45.12 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 09:45.14 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 09:45.22 | xok | the second one should be "GigaLink" network card.. |
| 09:45.42 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:1003 |
| 09:45.44 | judd | [10ec:1003] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:1003 |
| 09:45.52 | xok | judd: yes, kernel module r8168 and r8169 are loaded.. |
| 09:46.00 | xok | but the NIC still doesn't work.. |
| 09:46.04 | babilen | xok: judd is a bot :) |
| 09:46.11 | xok | babilen: loool.. :-D |
| 09:46.29 | babilen | xok: "with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid" (^^^^^) |
| 09:46.42 | xok | lenny.. |
| 09:47.31 | xok | http://pastebin.com/wPkdaVxa |
| 09:47.37 | xok | this is from "lspci -v".. |
| 09:48.56 | xok | babilen: anything please?.. |
| 09:48.59 | pom_ | jelly: The machine is running lighty, but not for production. Only for testing purposes. The machine is also the office gateway, which makes it vulnerable for relaying. I shut down postfix, which is the only mta I'm aware is installed. Will scour the logs for a while. Thanks for the good tips. |
| 09:48.59 | babilen | xok: AFAICT there is no module that supports that NIC |
| 09:49.31 | WormFood | is there problems with using pulseaudio and chrome? I seems that 99% of the time, it just doesn't work. |
| 09:49.39 | jelly | pom_: be it production or not isn't relevant; non production sites have bugs too |
| 09:49.54 | xok | babilen: sad.. ;-( |
| 09:50.24 | pom_ | jelly: Yes, of course, just that there arn't really any applications running on it. |
| 09:50.29 | jelly | xok: "contact hardware vendor for support" |
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| 09:50.41 | xok | :-D |
| 09:50.52 | babilen | xok: Not sure if support for that NIC is worked on - you might want to check the kernel changelog/commits/mailing lists |
| 09:50.57 | jae | Hmmm, the lighttpd package uses quilt? I don't see any hint of a non-"normal" (what's normal, these days) debian package... |
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| 09:52.17 | babilen | jae: I don't know if it uses quilt - Just wanted to let you know that it might use one of the patch systems that are currently used in Debian |
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| 09:52.38 | jae | lighttpd_1.4.16-1jae1 installed... and my server is back up, yay! |
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| 09:52.47 | babilen | jae: And quilt is more or less the "standard" patch system |
| 09:52.50 | jae | babilen: ah, okay, thanks for the hint |
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| 09:52.56 | babilen | !congratulate jae |
| 09:52.56 | dpkg | Huzzah jae, you did it! |
| 09:53.02 | jae | babilen: and thanks for *that* info too |
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| 09:53.36 | babilen | jae: Could you be so kind to also write a mail to the bug and confirm that the patch work and/or contact the maintainers? |
| 09:54.13 | babilen | jae: And thank you for that work. Hope it will be incorporated into Debian soon :) |
| 09:54.13 | jae | Thanks, but really nothing to sweat about (I've built my share of .debs... I'm just, as mentioned, quite reluctant to roll my own these days. Guess I'm (getting) old) |
| 09:54.22 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:54.25 | jae | babilen: yup, will do so |
| 09:54.39 | jae | checks if reportbug is installed already, probably not... |
| 09:54.40 | babilen | yeah - that happens |
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| 09:55.01 | babilen | The only package i fork these days is mutt - and i guess that it'll stay like this for the next years :( |
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| 09:55.39 | leg- | I keep getting timeouts on my ssh sessions...I use ClientAliveInterval 20 on the servers site and enabled keepalive settings in putty..does anyone recognise this? |
| 09:56.10 | jelly | why does babilen fork mutt? |
| 09:56.33 | babilen | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530670 |
| 09:57.00 | babilen | jelly: *much* faster |
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| 09:59.27 | WormFood | does pulseaudio and chrome work together for anyone? I'm calling chrome with padsp....I remember it working in the past, but I'll be damned if I can get it to work now. |
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| 10:01.44 | ikanobori | Lads, why would my Debian want to remove it's current kernel image if I run apt-get -f install? |
| 10:01.54 | ikanobori | Or try to install any package with apt? |
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| 10:03.11 | jae | babilen: mutt? why? |
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| 10:03.58 | babilen | jae: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530670 (tokyocabinet is *much* faster than gdbm) |
| 10:04.37 | meliowant | ikanobori: maybe you have newer version of kernel? ;) |
| 10:04.51 | babilen | ikanobori: Try to cancel scheduled actions and paste your output. You might also want to consider using the default package manager aptitude :) |
| 10:05.02 | gizmore | how do i update the whole system? |
| 10:05.22 | meliowant | gizmore: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgarde |
| 10:05.30 | babilen | gizmore: "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" - but what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:06.42 | gizmore | babilen: i have a bit experience with gentoo.. and now got a box with debian... i recognized it`s running apache 2.2.9 and thought maybe i should do some upgrade ... thanks meliowant too |
| 10:06.54 | ikanobori | babilen: Where do I cancel my scheduled actions? |
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| 10:07.02 | meliowant | gizmore: you are welcomed ;) |
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| 10:07.06 | ^Willie^ | hi there, is there some overview of compiled features per package for debian ? |
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| 10:07.39 | nhak | how can i set the resolution of my screen, i want 1024x768 but it's now 1280x1024? |
| 10:07.54 | nhak | in the xorg.conf i can see only the default values ... |
| 10:07.58 | babilen | ikanobori: You can do that for example in the aptitude's curses interface "aptitude" -> "Actions" -> "Cancel pending actions" |
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| 10:08.07 | jelly | nhak: use xrandr to change it on the fly |
| 10:08.20 | nhak | ok |
| 10:08.23 | jae | babilen: interesting. Do you know of any reason/rationale why mutt isn't being built with tc? |
| 10:08.26 | nhak | i have tried xrandr |
| 10:08.37 | nhak | than i see a list of possible resolutions |
| 10:08.44 | babilen | gizmore: Use aptitude - it's the default package manager. "/msg dpkg why aptitude" "/msg dpkg why not aptitude" |
| 10:09.04 | babilen | jae: No idea - I reopened the bug and contacted the maintainer ... |
| 10:09.09 | gizmore | babilen: tried both ... all seems up to date (lenny stable) |
| 10:09.21 | babilen | gizmore: great |
| 10:09.22 | nhak | then i typed xrandr -s 3, it says then size index 3 is too large :-S |
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| 10:09.54 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a question about mounting an ntfs volume -- i've got a new external hd that i can mount like normal with the right gid and uid of my user with umask=0002 so it's read and writeable (i also mount it with the 'rw' option for read/write support), but now my problem is that i can't do any changes to the hd files at all :(, my other external hd with ntfs makes no troubles, the same options and everyting works fine -- has someone an ide |
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| 10:11.32 | ikanobori | babilen: Apparently I have no scheduled actions as I do not have that menu option. |
| 10:11.50 | jelly | nhak: specify the output to be changed |
| 10:12.06 | babilen | ikanobori: hmm. I guess it was added recently (I'm on squeeze) ... |
| 10:12.08 | babilen | ikanobori: hang on |
| 10:12.23 | jelly | nhak: eg. xrandr --output VGA1 --size 1680x1050 |
| 10:13.22 | rocketmagnet | when i type 'mount' i get the following output for my external usb hd :: /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/storage type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,umask=0002,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 10:13.38 | jelly | !tell rocketmagnet about ntfsrw |
| 10:13.42 | rocketmagnet | so i don't see the point why it's not writeable |
| 10:14.00 | ikanobori | babilen: It's just weird, it wants to remove a whole slew of packages when I run aptitude install. |
| 10:14.11 | babilen | ikanobori: "aptitude keep-all" - check the manpage as well |
| 10:14.18 | rocketmagnet | jelly: the strange thing is that my other external hd with ntfs does work normaly with the same options ! |
| 10:14.26 | jelly | rocketmagnet: unlikely |
| 10:14.38 | babilen | ikanobori: Run that command and then aptitude install - paste your output if the "error" persists |
| 10:14.43 | ikanobori | babilen: I found that, Unknown command "keep-all" |
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| 10:14.50 | rocketmagnet | jelly: sure |
| 10:14.51 | ikanobori | Or keep for the specific package too. |
| 10:15.03 | jelly | rocketmagnet: the "ntfs" driver only does read-only |
| 10:15.11 | babilen | ikanobori: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:15.25 | ikanobori | zinka:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 10:15.26 | ikanobori | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 10:15.28 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i try mounting my other drive and look at those options |
| 10:15.28 | babilen | ikanobori: I just checked that on a lenny server i had around |
| 10:15.31 | ikanobori | Oh dear, it's the old server. |
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| 10:15.35 | ethanol | Good mornin' all |
| 10:15.36 | babilen | ikanobori: :) |
| 10:15.44 | ikanobori | Disregard that babilen I'm writing a migration plan for that server anyway. |
| 10:15.47 | rocketmagnet | jelly: maybe i've to set the -t options to 'ntf-3f' ? |
| 10:15.54 | ikanobori | Thanks for checking my mental stability with me though ;-) |
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| 10:16.26 | babilen | ikanobori: You *should* upgrade to lenny immediately :) "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" and "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
| 10:16.32 | babilen | ikanobori: alright |
| 10:16.49 | babilen | ikanobori: Sorry - I don't have a sarge installation around anymore ;) |
| 10:17.06 | ikanobori | babilen: I'm not even wanting to fix the mess on that server, I'll just upgrade it ;-) |
| 10:17.21 | babilen | ikanobori: Or that - probably the best choice |
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| 10:18.09 | ikanobori | Thanks for checking with me anyway, I'll go smoke a cig now. |
| 10:18.18 | babilen | ikanobori: Good idea - i'll join |
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| 10:18.45 | rgr | whats the one liner for debian squeeze and nvidia now please. lost my dual screen setup and nvidia-settings says its no the nvidia driver even though the xorg log says it is. |
| 10:20.07 | rocketmagnet | jelly: strange, my first external usb hd does work with the normal mount command, the new one only gets writeable with ntfsmount ... |
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| 10:20.30 | rocketmagnet | jelly: is there a way i don't have to make this by hand each time i need the hd ? |
| 10:20.46 | rocketmagnet | something with /etc/fstab |
| 10:20.49 | rocketmagnet | or udev/hal |
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| 10:24.58 | babilen | !tell rgr -about nvidia oneliner |
| 10:25.00 | rgr | according to the nvidia instructions at the debian wiki I should do a manual set up for squeeze. The only problem is that there is no xorg.conf there to start with. What is the "proper" way create one. there is no nvidia-xconfig program and it says not to use dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 10:25.01 | rocketmagnet | hmpf... the manpage from ntfsmount tells me the fstab line should look like 'device mount_point fuse.ntfs options 0 0' but that throws me an error message: wrong fs type ... |
| 10:25.37 | babilen | rgr: I don't use nvidia so i can't really help you with that. I have however heard that quite a bunch of people succeeded with "nvidia pre-built" |
| 10:26.06 | rgr | I have used nvidia for y few years with debian. its completely hosed again though ;( |
| 10:26.51 | babilen | !tell rgr -about xorg config squeeze |
| 10:27.32 | rgr | empty xorg,conf is what I have. it doesnt work. |
| 10:27.43 | rgr | I get no dual screen and its says nvidia driver not loaded |
| 10:27.46 | babilen | rgr: read the rest of that factoid :) |
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| 10:28.07 | babilen | rgr: You can create a xorg.conf and configure your card there |
| 10:28.40 | rgr | yeah, I tried. It bombs out with x errors when I restart X. Sigh. Working so well for ages too ;) But thanks for pointers I'll start all fro mscratch again. |
| 10:29.23 | babilen | rgr: How did you install the nvidia drivers before? Did you use the pre-built drivers or compiled them yourself with m-a ? |
| 10:29.44 | rgr | the debian way using m-a for a couple of years or so. |
| 10:29.52 | babilen | rgr: It might also help us if you pastebin your Xorg.log |
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| 10:32.56 | babilen | Take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=nvidia-glx and #549869 in particular |
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| 10:35.59 | rgr | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared |
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| 10:39.32 | rgr | I think part of the problem is that now sid is hosed but sid used to tbe the solution for squeeze. How can I purge the sid nvidia stuff and get "pure squeeze"? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=139388 |
| 10:41.44 | chrisw | where would I look for bizarre NFS errors? |
| 10:41.48 | chrisw | syslog? |
| 10:42.06 | sep | when i try to use a serial port i allways get. $ cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:42.06 | sep | cat: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error, googeling only shows me people with the same issue but no fix. permissions is ok. lsof claims nothing uses the device. anyone know what else i can check ? |
| 10:42.15 | sep | chrisw, and dmesg |
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| 10:43.19 | petemc | sep: you're sure ttyS0 is correct? |
| 10:43.39 | petemc | sep: check dmesg ;) |
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| 10:48.44 | virtual | using dpkg-buildpackage i get this --> No PO directory found, use the --podir flag to tell where it is... exiting <-- can anyone tell me what i miss ? (google can't) |
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| 10:48.55 | vvor | Help:-) new IDE drive is seen only by:hal-find-by-capability storage. not present in /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* or fdisk -l. how do I make it a "/device"? |
| 10:49.29 | rocketmagnet | i get sick... i've 2 external usb hard disks, both with ntfs, now my problem is that the first one can be mounted with an entry to /etc/fstab with read/write without any troubles, now the thing i don't understand is that the second hd can be mounted - but is only readonly (i've the exact same settings in my fstab file for both drives) :( |
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| 10:50.23 | rocketmagnet | i get the second one only writable with the ntfsmount command, but that does not work with /etc/fstab (like man ntfsmount tells me) |
| 10:50.31 | vvor | rocketmagnet: are you mount-3g ing them? |
| 10:50.33 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: tried ntfs-3g? Maybe the last drive needs to have a fsck in wintendo going first? |
| 10:50.56 | sep | petemc, thats probably out of the log a while ago. i have a modules called serio_raw is that the one dealing with onboard serial ports ? |
| 10:50.59 | rocketmagnet | joltcan: i did a format in windows for the new one (but a fast one) |
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| 10:51.22 | vlt | Hello. From an X session (where xeyes works, for example) I connect to another machine: `ssh -Y remotehost`. When I now run `xeyes` I get "Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0". Any idea what to check first? |
| 10:51.50 | rocketmagnet | joltcan: you mean as tyhe type in fstab ? ntfs-3g instead of ntfs ? the ntfsmount man page tells me i can set the type to fuse.ntfs but that gives me an error about the fstype beeing wrong |
| 10:52.08 | ePax | I used this howto to chroot ssh users but i can not login with users via ssh... http://www.howtoforge.org/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 10:53.22 | vvor | rocketmagnet: use mount.ntfs-3g |
| 10:53.49 | vvor | it works for me! |
| 10:53.54 | rocketmagnet | hm ? |
| 10:53.58 | rocketmagnet | as fstype ? |
| 10:54.10 | vvor | as mount command |
| 10:54.11 | babilen | !tell vlt -about remote x |
| 10:54.38 | rocketmagnet | vvor: i wan to make it work with the normal mount command with fstab, so i can mount all my drives the same way |
| 10:54.44 | rocketmagnet | with ntfsmount it works |
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| 10:55.07 | rocketmagnet | the thing i don't understand is that one ntfs drive is working normaly, and the new one i got last week does not |
| 10:55.10 | rocketmagnet | only with ntfsmount |
| 10:55.16 | rocketmagnet | the first one with normal mount |
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| 10:55.21 | rocketmagnet | read and write |
| 10:56.05 | rocketmagnet | hm, maybe i've to format it again on windows the slow way |
| 10:56.12 | rocketmagnet | i try that |
| 10:56.17 | rocketmagnet | thanks for you replies |
| 10:56.18 | rocketmagnet | bye |
| 10:56.20 | Origen | Hi Guys, I have an apache log file and I want to dertermine in order which IP's hit my site the most. I have extracted just the IP so how do I now sort and then count each occurance of the IP's? |
| 10:56.36 | vvor | rocketmagnet: thay mybe sembolic links any way. use mount.ntfs-3g /dev/blabla //home/blaba |
| 10:58.47 | virtual | using dpkg-buildpackage i get this --> No PO directory found, use the --podir flag to tell where it is... exiting <-- can anyone tell me what i miss ? (google can't) |
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| 11:01.03 | babilen | !tell virtual -about mentors |
| 11:01.05 | rgr | looks like going back to using the nvidia-installer. Oh no. I know what trouble that will bring down the road. |
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| 11:01.09 | babilen | virtual: You might want to ask them ;) |
| 11:01.23 | babilen | virtual: I have, unfortunately, no idea |
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| 11:03.14 | nachos | anyone know how i can change what user imapd-courier writes files as? |
| 11:03.18 | nachos | this is doing my head in |
| 11:03.22 | nachos | there is no documentation |
| 11:03.31 | virtual | babilen: they waste time, nothing else. |
| 11:03.43 | babilen | virtual: huh? |
| 11:04.29 | virtual | babilen: writing to a mailing-list to get the wrong answer after a week is no solution |
| 11:04.42 | babilen | virtual: Have you read the factoid? |
| 11:05.07 | babilen | virtual: There is an IRC channel ;) |
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| 11:06.40 | virtual | babilen: the reason for my question is a broken debian package (openldap) i removed their ancient patches and went to upstream, the source has no --podir option because it's a system-function but this has to know already |
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| 11:07.41 | babilen | virtual: I can't really help you. I would suggest to report that broken package as a bug, contact the maintainer and cooperate with #d-m to get your package into good shape. |
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| 11:08.21 | babilen | virtual: They/The maintainer might even sponsor your package if it is deemed stable/good enough/policy compliant/.../ |
| 11:08.54 | virtual | babilen: debian itsev know that and they even recomment "don't use for production" on the other hand, i have to build a new package because dependencies |
| 11:08.55 | themill | virtual: so you broke the packaging and then want people to fix it for you.... perhaps you should take one step at a time here. |
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| 11:10.39 | virtual | themill: i broke nothing |
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| 11:12.35 | vlt | babilen: THank you. What is the "the client" in the "remote x" factoid and what is the "remote machine"? (I thought the remote machine _is_ the client, and the machine I'm sitting on is the X server ...) |
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| 11:13.43 | babilen | vlt: The client is the machine you ssh from IMHO :) |
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| 11:14.20 | babilen | vlt: You have to specify which x server to use (the local one on the client) |
| 11:15.02 | petemc | babilen: in xserver terms, the server is the machine you're using, your terminal |
| 11:16.11 | Cappy | is there a debian equivelant to ubuntu's "restricted-extras" pckage? |
| 11:16.55 | vlt | petemc: Yes, that's what I thought too, so I have problems understanding the "remote x" factoid. |
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| 11:19.40 | babilen | vlt: You run "xhost ..." localle (the machine running your xserver and the one you ssh from) and the "export ..." on the remote machine (the one you ssh to) |
| 11:20.34 | babilen | Cappy: That package does not exist in Debian. What are you trying to do? |
| 11:21.18 | Cappy | im trying to get flash support etc, just curious if there was an equivilent in debian |
| 11:21.29 | babilen | !tell Cappy -about flash |
| 11:21.51 | babilen | Cappy: You probably want "/msg dpkg adobe flash" |
| 11:22.11 | Cappy | thanks =) |
| 11:22.31 | SethX | hello all, i've got a bit of a general question.. i have a server setup, with all usual daemons n stuff, and would like to give restricted shell access to a semi-trusted user. i was thingking about setting up a chroot environment. yet at this point how should i handle apache WITHIN the chroot? i'd like it to bind on the same ipaddress as the non-chroot apache, yet on a different VHOST.is that even possible? |
| 11:23.05 | babilen | Cappy: I am happily using the flashplugin-nonfree package - you can get it from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
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| 11:26.55 | vlt | babilen: The X server on the local machine (192.168.1.220) seems to be :6 (listening to 0.0.0.0:6006), so on the remote machine I set DISPLAY=192.168.1.220:6.0. But when I try to run an X app there I get "No protocol specified | Error: Can't open display: 192.168.1.220:6.0" |
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| 11:27.30 | jelly | !tell vlt about sshx |
| 11:27.41 | vlt | jelly: That's what I tried first :( |
| 11:27.49 | vlt | -Y even |
| 11:28.19 | jelly | I've no idea what -Y does |
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| 11:29.15 | jelly | vlt: does running apps locally on DISPLAY=:6 work? |
| 11:29.36 | SethX | is there a debian way of setting up a chroot? ie some ncurses tool or something? |
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| 11:33.34 | WormFood | does pulseaudio and chrome work together for anyone? |
| 11:34.42 | babilen | SethX: Have a look at schroot, makejail, pbuilder, cowbuilder, debootstrap, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
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| 11:34.56 | themill | virtual: your approach to compiling the new version seems entirely wrong. You should "/msg dpkg uupdate" and re-use the debian packaging. Removing the CVE patch that has been incorporated upstream is sufficient to get it to compile; other patches seem to still be valid although I've not looked at them in detail. |
| 11:34.58 | themill | virtual: Whether it actually works or not is another matter for you to test. BTW you probably also need to recompile every package that depends on libldap-*... this is a non-trivial thing you're proposing here. If you are successful you may like to post your conclusions to the maintainers and/or in a wishlist bug. |
| 11:35.07 | SethX | thanks babilen |
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| 11:44.49 | vlt | jelly: Running X apps locally works. (But `echo $DISPLAY` says ":0.0" here) |
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| 11:46.24 | vlt | jelly: Running `export DISPLAY=192.168.1.220:0.0` on the remote machine and then `xeyes` I get "Error: Can't open display: 192.168.1.220:0.0" (w/o the protocol warniing) |
| 11:46.31 | Zarathust | im searching for a tutorial about how to upgrade my debian eee lenny distro from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32 or 2.6.33 |
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| 11:48.57 | jelly | vlt: then you have :0 as local X server, not :6 |
| 11:49.22 | jelly | vlt: where are you trying X apps to appear on? |
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| 11:50.44 | vlt | jelly: The app running on remote server (where I set DISPLAY to my _local_ IP 192.168.120:0.0) should appear on my local display. |
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| 11:51.13 | babilen | !tell Zarathust -about bpo |
| 11:51.20 | jelly | vlt: alright, in that case, don't set anything manually, but use X11Forwarding instead. |
| 11:51.22 | babilen | Zarathust: install the kernel from backports |
| 11:51.32 | p0g0 | liable: you have one of those eee thingies, right? |
| 11:51.36 | Zarathust | ok thanks |
| 11:51.50 | vlt | jelly: ssh's -X? |
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| 11:52.05 | jelly | vlt: have you read what dpkg told you about sshx? |
| 11:52.11 | vlt | jelly: Yes. |
| 11:52.25 | jelly | vlt: which part are you having problems with? |
| 11:52.33 | themill | vlt: you shouldn't need to touch DISPLAY when using ssh -X, and the DISPLAY shouldn't be the remote IP but still on the local machine. |
| 11:53.07 | themill | (err... DISPLAY shouldn't be an IP address, it should just be ":10.0" or similar) |
| 11:53.19 | themill | local and remote get rather confusing at that stage... |
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| 11:54.12 | Zarathust | ? |
| 11:54.15 | jelly | there is no spoon |
| 11:54.23 | Zarathust | how can i find kernel 2.6.33 in backports ? |
| 11:54.41 | phaidros | jelly: try a fork then? |
| 11:54.49 | themill | ,kernels --release lenny-backports |
| 11:54.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1) |
| 11:54.56 | jelly | Zarathust: you can't, but there's 2.6.32 at present |
| 11:54.59 | themill | Zarathust: 2.6.32, not 2.6.33 |
| 11:55.14 | vlt | jelly: When I run `ssh -X testmachine xeyes` it works. But connecting with `ssh -X othermachine xeyes` I get "Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" (so there must be a problem on the second remote machine) |
| 11:55.20 | babilen | Zarathust: If you *need* 2.6.33 you'll have to compile it yourself |
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| 11:56.11 | vlt | jelly: solved it |
| 11:56.18 | jelly | !win vlt |
| 11:56.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, vlt! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:56.21 | babilen | Zarathust: But you asked about .32 *or* .33 and the .32 from bpo is certainly the easiest way |
| 11:56.31 | vlt | jelly: The remote machine didn't know who "localhost" was ;,-) |
| 11:56.51 | Zarathust | ok =) |
| 11:56.52 | jelly | vlt: I blame redhat. |
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| 11:57.12 | vlt | jelly: blame debootstrap (I installed with) |
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| 12:00.07 | km0ti0n | hi there. I've got new installs of lenny, 1 which has 2 nics, eth0/eth1. eth0 is connected directaly to a WAN router and eth1 is connected to a local switch. The other has 1 NIC eth0 that connected to the switch. I can ping the Local IPs, how can I setup NAT on the lenny box with 2 NICs? |
| 12:00.20 | km0ti0n | s/get new/got 2 new |
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| 12:01.08 | km0ti0n | The LAN IPs are 192.168.23.* |
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| 12:02.01 | km0ti0n | I know I can use IPTables or IPFilter, but this is the 3rd attempt and before I charge off trying to configure them, I thought I'd ask for some suggestions of how best to achive it. |
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| 12:05.04 | km0ti0n | I had tried this but w/o any success. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 so thought I would give IPFilter a try |
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| 12:06.21 | vlt | km0ti0n: Just turn on masquerading on eth0 and forwarding in /proc/sys/.../ipv4_forward_something |
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| 12:06.59 | vlt | km0ti0n: And tell your client to use the irst machine as drfault gateway |
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| 12:07.04 | vlt | *default |
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| 12:08.47 | km0ti0n | Okay guys I'll have a read up on that see how I go. |
| 12:08.50 | km0ti0n | big thanks :) |
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| 12:09.57 | jelly | km0ti0n: also, /msg dpkg ipmasq |
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| 12:13.04 | km0ti0n | I actually want to setup the lenny with 2 NICs as a Firewall, eventually. I felt my first step was to make sure I could get the LAN routed out of it so I can fully understand how it works. Then rollback and setup some propper rules on it. |
| 12:13.10 | SethX | babilen: whats the approach you'd consider most simple? i need to setup apache and stuff in there.. |
| 12:13.32 | SethX | not sure if i really want a chroot or if i simply should go for a vhost using vserver |
| 12:13.38 | SethX | or any other options? |
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| 12:14.10 | km0ti0n | jelly: ooo, I like the bot, very helpful. |
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| 12:14.37 | nicknewbie | says oops - typing really fast here :) |
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| 12:14.45 | babilen | SethX: It's up to you - a virtual machine might be a good idea too (virtualbox-ose or quemu-kvm if your processor supports it) |
| 12:14.51 | jelly | km0ti0n: give it a botsnack! |
| 12:15.19 | babilen | SethX: I use cowbuilder personally |
| 12:15.26 | jelly | moo |
| 12:15.31 | babilen | SethX: But we have different usecases :) |
| 12:15.35 | nicknewbie | http://pastie.org/859350 -- This is a multiwan script I'm working on, based on the info on this page http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html -- I'm trying to take these instructions, and turn them into a script that can just be edited with the right variables to give multiwan setup. I think it would be good for the community, but I do need some help, can someone take a quick look? |
| 12:15.36 | SethX | babilen: why if i may ask? [moo too] |
| 12:15.37 | babilen | jelly: moooo! |
| 12:15.54 | nicknewbie | wonders what cowbuilder is..... and why do you want to build a cow? |
| 12:15.58 | nicknewbie | :) |
| 12:16.01 | babilen | SethX: I like it :) and it has "cow" in its name :) |
| 12:16.10 | SethX | well, what usecase does it cover? |
| 12:16.22 | babilen | SethX: I use it for testing debian packages though ... |
| 12:16.35 | SethX | btw, i just read in papers today that a turbo-gentech-cow patent got rejected again |
| 12:16.44 | SethX | turbo-milk-gentech-cow |
| 12:16.45 | SethX | there |
| 12:16.47 | SethX | :) |
| 12:16.54 | SethX | aha, so no server stuff running in there |
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| 12:17.59 | Zarathust | i only find kernel-source in backports, no package |
| 12:18.28 | babilen | SethX: I would either debootstrap a chroot or use a virtual machine. From what you've said i would suggest a VM |
| 12:18.40 | babilen | Zarathust: linux-image-* |
| 12:19.02 | SethX | mkay. both are new territory for me. :) |
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| 12:19.39 | babilen | SethX: But i'm no guru (although i had my share of GURU Mediatations), so you would be well advised to listen to others as well |
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| 12:21.04 | km0ti0n | humm when I use vim to change the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward I get the following error : E667: Fsync failed |
| 12:21.15 | km0ti0n | do I need to shutdown the n/w before doing so? |
| 12:21.27 | icebrain | km0ti0n: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:21.32 | petemc | km0ti0n: just use echo , and you dont need to reboot or anything |
| 12:21.34 | km0ti0n | oic ok |
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| 12:21.48 | Seb | am I misunderstand what -f does in man test ? [ -f /path/to/foo ] returns 0, where /path/to/foo is indeed a symlink... What am I missing ? |
| 12:21.59 | linduxed | how do i check the log over last aptitude installations? |
| 12:22.01 | Seb | misunderstanding*, even |
| 12:22.12 | linduxed | i think i did an install that i'd like to revert |
| 12:22.43 | icebrain | linduxed: /var/log/aptitude |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | Seb: it's a symlink... to a file |
| 12:23.08 | babilen | linduxed: /var/log/aptitude ? |
| 12:23.10 | Seb | jelly: so you're saying -L tests the file itself, and -f the target ? |
| 12:23.12 | jelly | Seb: if you need to check for symlink, then... check for symlink |
| 12:23.19 | jelly | right |
| 12:23.19 | Seb | jelly: that sounds... weird |
| 12:23.22 | Seb | huh |
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| 12:23.37 | Seb | jelly: thanks ! |
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| 12:23.51 | jelly | Seb: not at all... when you cat symlink, does it not behave like the destination file? |
| 12:25.07 | Seb | jelly: but with this reasoning, -L should always return false ;) |
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| 12:27.00 | km0ti0n | Okay I've installed ipmasq and modded the ip_forwarding, how do I enable masquerading on eth0? |
| 12:27.24 | Seb | km0ti0n: google "iptables nat" for instance |
| 12:27.33 | petemc | km0ti0n: were you not asked a few questions when installing ipmasq ? |
| 12:28.02 | Zarathust | I only find 2.6.32 in sid, is this normal? |
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| 12:28.08 | km0ti0n | nope |
| 12:28.25 | Seb | Zarathust: yes, why not ? |
| 12:28.34 | petemc | km0ti0n: try dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 12:28.46 | km0ti0n | k |
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| 12:29.25 | km0ti0n | oh yep, there's a typicla config UI now |
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| 12:30.33 | rvsjoen | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:30.35 | judd | linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+23; sid: 2.6.32+24 |
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| 12:36.13 | vvor | how do I add hard disk from dmesg:[scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access WDC WD25 00JB-00REA0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0] to a /dev/sd* (it is not in there for some reason!) |
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| 12:38.50 | raccoon_ | vvor: is it an usb drive? |
| 12:39.08 | vvor | raccoon_: no IDE |
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| 12:40.27 | SethX | what provides getcwd ? |
| 12:40.36 | SethX | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 12:44.16 | pom_ | I'm using dhcp3 and bind9 and provide my local users with dhcp and DNS which is currently forwaring from OpenDNS. Is there an easy way to "insert" records that the dns/dhcp-clients will inherit? I havn't been successful in me previous attempts and was hoping someone might have the knowledge to make this task trivial. |
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| 12:48.21 | virtual | pom_: there are 2 possible solutions, you can "dynamic update" from dhcp to bind using a common key, or maybe you put your data in ldap |
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| 13:01.51 | zrin | which file system is usable for block devices shared over ATA over Ethernet? |
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| 13:04.27 | zrin | ... where more then one client (and the server) should be able to write to it |
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| 13:05.16 | ssm | zrin: any cluster fs, I'd think |
| 13:05.39 | zrin | ssm: do you know which would be the simplest way to go? |
| 13:05.56 | ssm | zrin: shared writes to a block device -- there are no "simplest way to go" |
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| 13:06.25 | zrin | ssm: it should be serverless if possible |
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| 13:07.07 | jelly | zrin: but a single server _is_ simplest! :-) |
| 13:07.22 | ssm | zrin: what do you mean by "serverless"? |
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| 13:07.53 | ssm | zrin: there should be a "server" hosting the block device, sharing it out to your nodes over ATA over Ethernet |
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| 13:09.22 | zrin | I'm setting up asymmetrical RAID with one local device and one over AoE, I'd like both systems to share the fs without going through a server, i.e. it should'nt be a network fs |
| 13:09.42 | ssm | You'll need to use clustering, either Red Hat Cluster Suite, or Heartbeat 2, and either Global File System or Oracle's equivalent |
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| 13:10.06 | vvor | UPDATE - new IDE hard-drive detected by bios, BUT NOT by Debian 2.6.26-21lenny3. dmesg error: Serverworks_IDE: probe of 0000:00:0f.1 failed with error -16. any help appreciated. |
| 13:10.17 | ssm | zrin: you can either have both nodes mount from a ATA over Ethernet server, or you can make both nodes mirror local storage with DRBD |
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| 13:10.30 | ssm | zrin: (or you can use NFS) |
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| 13:12.09 | zrin | ssm: I'd like to test AoE solution first |
| 13:13.49 | ssm | zrin: using a remote block device over AoE as a mirror is simple. Making it the base for a multi-node writable cluster file system.... I'm not sure how that can be done |
| 13:15.00 | zrin | ssm: one possibility would be exporting the mirror again with AoE, (and adding a separate Ethernet connection just for the mirror) |
| 13:15.53 | ssm | zrin: usually all writes go through the MD, I don't think it'll handle well that something is writing to one of its underlying devices... |
| 13:15.54 | zrin | ssm: when the first server fails, the second would take over and export the volume |
| 13:16.14 | ssm | zrin: that's a normal failover filesystem |
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| 13:16.31 | zrin | ssm: true |
| 13:16.31 | ssm | zrin: if you don't want two nodes being able to write at the same time, it's simpler. |
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| 13:17.39 | ssm | zrin: so, what do you really need? Just a filesystem mirrored between two nodes, and mountable at one node at a time? |
| 13:18.18 | zrin | ssm: that at least |
| 13:18.56 | zrin | both nodes run virtual machines and should provide block devices with fail-over |
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| 13:19.06 | ssm | if you need it mountable at multiple nodes at a time, as a block device, you are restricted to GFS, GFS2 or OCFS, I think. |
| 13:19.24 | zrin | virtual machines are configured to change very little, i.e. contain no data |
| 13:19.43 | ssm | zrin: if you need it to failover between hosts, you can use any file system. |
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| 13:21.24 | Joelio | Hi all, some of the new provisions I've been rolling out (amd64 with XFS) seem to randomly be locking up and giving a call trace. Anyone else here seeing this? |
| 13:23.54 | ssm | zrin: just try to keep it simple, is my advice. For a stack like this, I'd use drbd, heartbeat with no resource manager (heartbeat1 mode), and xen/kvm/vserver/openvz/whatever |
| 13:23.59 | ssm | ...for a two-node cluster |
| 13:24.11 | zrin | ssm: I see ... first I'll mirror over AoE, use mirror as PV, export LVs with AoE again for VMs to use them; in case of failover I need to activate the LVM VG on the second node and export LVs |
| 13:25.14 | Joelio | ssm: Ganeti? |
| 13:25.18 | ssm | in that case, you'd need clvm and a cluster manager. A metadata write conflict would otherwise be bad |
| 13:25.35 | ssm | Joelio: Not sure what you mean. |
| 13:25.53 | zrin | ssm: AoE should be appreciably faster than DRBD ... I see |
| 13:25.53 | ssm | Joelio: http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/ ? |
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| 13:26.21 | skywalkman | Hi, I want to install Sybase on debian, there are 3 deb packages, when I install the third deb package, it prompt that "trying to overwrite `/opt/sybase-12.5/ASE-12_5/bin/certauth', which is also in package sybase-common" and then exist, sybase-common is the second package I installed, any clue to solve this? |
| 13:26.46 | Joelio | ssm: Yea, brilliant virtualization technology.. handles drbd etc.. automaticall |
| 13:26.47 | Joelio | y |
| 13:26.55 | ssm | Joelio: haven't tried that. I have heartbeat 1, heartbeat 2 and RHCS in production, as well as any number of roll-yer-own horriblities |
| 13:27.38 | ssm | Joelio: how easy is it to untangle when it fails? |
| 13:28.04 | ssm | the feature list looks promising, at least :) |
| 13:28.15 | Joelio | ssm: Very easy, everything's well documented. |
| 13:28.34 | Joelio | although I've not really ever had any issues with it |
| 13:28.53 | Joelio | there's burnin which puts the cluster under load and does a test suite |
| 13:29.08 | Joelio | so you get aware of any issues before production |
| 13:29.31 | Joelio | Just about to roll another cluster in the next few weeks.. looking forward to trying 2.10 |
| 13:29.33 | ssm | Joelio: it's restricted to 40 physical nodes, at least in the recommendation section... |
| 13:30.45 | Joelio | ssm: Yes, for me that#'s plenty.. apprciate it's not as scalable as other solutions, but then you need to start factoring in shared storage, disk shelves, FC HBAs.. etc.. etc.. |
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| 13:32.22 | ssm | Joelio: yes |
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| 13:32.46 | ssm | Joelio: for smaller clusters, it should be great, for instance one-cluster-per-customer setups. |
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| 13:38.45 | Joelio | ssm: Very true.. the recommended minimum is 3, to allow a degree of degradation without putting service at risk. I'm really liking the product, seems like there's good traction too |
| 13:39.47 | ssm | Joelio: there's commit activity, and documentation? Something must be horribly wrong... :) |
| 13:40.07 | Joelio | ssm: Strange isn't it :) |
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| 13:59.24 | Joelio | Damn, just had _another_ lenny box with XFS lock up.. this is getting concerning |
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| 14:02.44 | jelly | ah, so there _are_ people using xfs in real life! |
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| 14:02.56 | Aerendil | Hi all |
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| 14:05.34 | beardy | !fsrule |
| 14:05.42 | Aerendil | !fsrule |
| 14:06.22 | beardy | !choose fs rule |
| 14:06.23 | dpkg | If you have to ask, and you don't have any reason not to, use ext3. So do it, use ext3. |
| 14:06.31 | beardy | A golden oldie. |
| 14:06.36 | Aerendil | :) |
| 14:08.16 | et | good zfs support would be really nice ... |
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| 14:08.29 | Aerendil | I've a little hard time to install webcam on lenny 2.6.26, if someone can help me, it would be cool :) |
| 14:08.34 | Aerendil | O |
| 14:08.35 | babilen | or stable btrfs :) |
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| 14:09.13 | Aerendil | *sorry : I've just install qc-usb / gspca and uvc modules but seems to not create any /dev/video |
| 14:09.24 | babilen | Aerendil: Start by plugging it in and paste dmesg and lsusb output to a pastebin |
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| 14:10.10 | babilen | !gspca |
| 14:10.10 | dpkg | The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny: "aptitude install gspca-modules-$(uname -r) && modprobe gspca". This driver is included in mainline kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>. |
| 14:10.30 | Aerendil | hmm i'm on ssh on the system which have the webcam plugged in but i'll paste what i find |
| 14:10.44 | babilen | brb |
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| 14:12.57 | Rod_Munch | hi |
| 14:13.08 | Aerendil | babilen http://pastebin.com/ELbe8skT here it is |
| 14:13.21 | Rod_Munch | i think bill gates is a ferengi |
| 14:13.52 | babilen | Aerendil: That looks good - how do you test the webcam? |
| 14:14.09 | wols | Rod_Munch: you have to say something about debbie or ian too? |
| 14:14.21 | Rod_Munch | nah |
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| 14:14.34 | wols | Rod_Munch: then be quiet (or go to ##windows) |
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| 14:15.50 | Aerendil | babilen Actually, I can't even test, i'dont have any device node for video |
| 14:16.09 | babilen | You've loaded the module? |
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| 14:16.21 | babilen | try cheese for example |
| 14:16.29 | Joelio | jelly: We've had XFS in production for years, not seen any lockups of this magnitude before |
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| 14:17.40 | Aerendil | Yep i've loaded all of the module - want a lsmod too ? |
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| 14:17.50 | babilen | Aerendil: no - i believe you :) |
| 14:17.55 | Aerendil | :p |
| 14:18.17 | Aerendil | I test with mjpeg_streamer which is a broadcaster |
| 14:18.54 | Aerendil | But, anyway, there is no /dev/video so, mjpeg_streamer don't want to start |
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| 14:22.26 | jaggzc | what causes "ping: sendmsg: operation not permitted"? |
| 14:22.52 | babilen | Aerendil: Hmm - I have not used mjpeg_streamer yet. But googling for your webcam yields results that do not look *that* promising |
| 14:23.03 | babilen | Aerendil: Could you try cheese please |
| 14:23.35 | babilen | Aerendil: You might want to consider trying a newer kernel as well (from backports "/msg dpkg bpo") |
| 14:23.53 | babilen | Aerendil: No idea if that helps though, but the gscpa is part of the kernel since 2.6.27 |
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| 14:25.12 | valdyn | jaggzc: ping needs root permissions |
| 14:25.32 | wols | valdyn: what for? |
| 14:25.55 | valdyn | wols: to ping? |
| 14:25.55 | jaggzc | does not... but im running it as root anyway :) |
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| 14:26.29 | valdyn | jaggzc: its suid root usually |
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| 14:26.58 | Aerendil | Alright thanks babilen |
| 14:27.13 | Aerendil | i'll try just another thing : a patch to add support of my webcam on the driver |
| 14:27.19 | jaggzc | just.. something happened to my network sometime during the month of it running, or upon rebooting yesterday |
| 14:27.27 | jaggzc | valdyn ohhh thanks |
| 14:28.05 | babilen | !tell Aerendil -about package recompile |
| 14:28.41 | jaggzc | it is suid.. but it doesnt work, nor does traceroute, with "send: operation not permitted" |
| 14:28.57 | valdyn | jaggzc: selinux can do that |
| 14:29.09 | jaggzc | i'mon my cellphone to talk here :( |
| 14:29.19 | jaggzc | selinux? |
| 14:29.38 | valdyn | jaggzc: security / access control frameworks that can restrict what root can do |
| 14:29.46 | Aerendil | babilen I would to know how i can delete a module so that when I insmod it will not say file exist anymore ? :) |
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| 14:30.05 | Aerendil | babilen I work on the source package of my driver already |
| 14:30.23 | Aerendil | babilen it's already patched, just need to load the new .ko instead of the old one |
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| 14:30.40 | babilen | Aerendil: make a backup and replace it? |
| 14:31.00 | jaggzc | well, nothing can go over the net; neither wifi nor wired, no ports |
| 14:31.01 | Aerendil | babilen Yeah, but i've to find it xD |
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| 14:31.30 | babilen | whispers "locate" and "dpkg -L gspca-module-?????" |
| 14:31.38 | favoritee | j e |
| 14:32.53 | babilen | !tell Aerendil -about msg |
| 14:33.04 | jaggzc | i'm so tired too... 6am and havent slept >1hr |
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| 14:37.28 | km0ti0n | whoop, got iptables working :) I want to try ipfilter / ipf but I can't see any details on the package, or how to add it as a module to the kernel. How do I go about setting it up? |
| 14:37.34 | jaggzc | is there a gui for deleting routes? |
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| 14:38.57 | jaggzc | i hate figuring out what del -net data to type |
| 14:38.58 | meliowant | jaggzc: "gnome-terminal" and "route delete" there ;) |
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| 14:39.09 | jelly | jaggzc: I don't know of one, but output lines of "ip route" can be fed to "ip route del" as-is |
| 14:39.26 | jelly | er, not be-fed-to, but appended to be command line |
| 14:39.43 | jelly | s/be /the / |
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| 14:40.14 | jelly | eg. if "ip r" says "10.0.3.0/24 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.3.48", you can run "ip r del 10.0.3.0/24 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.3.48" to get rid of it |
| 14:40.36 | jaggzc | awesome, thanks. not sure what setup 169.254.0.0 |
| 14:40.48 | valdyn | jaggzc: avahi did |
| 14:40.49 | babilen | avahi? |
| 14:41.40 | jaggzc | ohh.. did i just mess up my local dns cache? :) |
| 14:41.40 | wols | evil software does a lot of bad things babilen |
| 14:42.14 | jaggzc | still getting operation not permitted on pings and traceroutes out |
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| 14:42.39 | jaggzc | only one interface, eth1, the wifi |
| 14:42.42 | Aerendil | babilen Thanks for help, i've find the answer : man google ;) a user patch exist to add support of QC E5200 on gspca :) |
| 14:42.43 | jelly | jaggzc: that's a link-local range for ipv4. Yes, avahi sets that up. Evil avahi! |
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| 14:42.44 | fo00dns | hello folks, i am trying to figure in which configuration file, ownership of files in /var/log/apache2 to be root:adm are set, i would appreciate any hints/pointers |
| 14:43.16 | babilen | Aerendil: Yes - I have read that thread and hence my suggestion to try a newer kernel. If it is working now. \o/ |
| 14:43.50 | \amethyst | fo00dns: two places |
| 14:44.02 | \amethyst | fo00dns: for the initial install, apache2.2-common's postinst |
| 14:44.11 | Aerendil | babilen :) But i'll upgrade this kernel too, it's a KVM host, so i've to keep it up to date |
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| 14:44.26 | \amethyst | fo00dns: also, in /etc/logrotate.d/apache2, so that it gets the same permissions when the logs are rotated |
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| 14:44.42 | jaggzc | probably avahi is configurable. imo dns cache is good so i wont complain about it just yet. unless it's causing my net problem. my worry is that i updated something the past month or so without rebooting until yesterday when this started |
| 14:44.43 | fo00dns | \amethyst: aah that makes sense. thank you |
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| 14:51.06 | jaggzc | messages has ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 14:51.29 | jaggzc | no wait, then it says it becomes ready |
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| 14:52.54 | salvachn | is there an alternative to redhat's system-config scripts on debian? |
| 14:53.04 | salvachn | is there an alternative to redhat's system-config-* scripts on debian? |
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| 14:56.58 | titan8990 | salvachn: maybe if you told us what those scripts did |
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| 14:57.27 | ssm | salvachn: not a direct alternative, no |
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| 14:57.54 | titan8990 | salvachn: oh... a GUI for chkconfig? |
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| 14:58.09 | salvachn | easy gui to configure display, network, firewall, language, lvm, httpd, etc. |
| 14:58.19 | salvachn | titan8990, easy gui to configure display, network, firewall, language, lvm, httpd, etc. |
| 14:58.43 | salvachn | ssm, are there any functionally similar utilities? |
| 14:58.45 | titan8990 | salvachn: no, SUSE's yast2 is the only thing I have seen like that |
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| 14:59.22 | titan8990 | salvachn: all of that *is* available CLI and from independant GUI tools though |
| 14:59.23 | salvachn | titan8990, I'm using Fedora 12. these scripts make life easy. |
| 14:59.25 | jaggzc | im abt to fall sleep.. ttyl thanks |
| 14:59.58 | salvachn | titan8990, I'm looking for those. All those debian install guides out there talk about desktop apps with fancy sceenshots :( |
| 15:00.01 | titan8990 | salvachn: alright... so why a debian switch if you are already happy with your desktop os? |
| 15:00.22 | salvachn | titan8990, Foraying into deb based distros. |
| 15:00.33 | salvachn | Too much of RPM is quite boring :) |
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| 15:01.48 | titan8990 | salvachn: you will find debian much closer to centos/RHEL than fedora |
| 15:01.54 | jelly | too little rpm can be boring too |
| 15:02.17 | salvachn | jelly, I think I get your pun, if it is one :-) |
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| 15:02.36 | tabashco | salvachn: maybe rcconf is what you are looking for? it's curses based...but a little easier than managing scripts by hand |
| 15:02.48 | salvachn | tabashco, I'll look into it. |
| 15:02.59 | salvachn | Hoping that debian serves my needs better than ubuntu 9.10 |
| 15:03.15 | jelly | judd, come back! |
| 15:03.36 | titan8990 | salvachn: if your needs is a stable, production ready desktop, this would be the right place |
| 15:04.05 | salvachn | titan8990, I need a home server actually. CentOS doesn't play well with my old desktop. |
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| 15:05.05 | titan8990 | salvachn: sorry, when people talk about GUIs, I assume they are talking about a desktop |
| 15:05.11 | salvachn | titan8990, And I'm looking for a rolling update system, so debian is kinda cool there. |
| 15:05.20 | PinkFreud | titan8990: for the most part. certain packages (lenny's xen kernels?) were beyond broken :( |
| 15:05.32 | titan8990 | salvachn: debian is *far* from a rolling release |
| 15:05.51 | salvachn | titan8990, I'm not the only user, my family uses it. So if I get a phone call I can't spell out all the commands :) |
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| 15:06.00 | jelly | judd: wb |
| 15:06.03 | titan8990 | salvachn: ssh... |
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| 15:06.35 | PinkFreud | that's fairly rare, though. maintaining unsupported forward-ported kernel patches is a b*tch. |
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| 15:07.24 | salvachn | titan8990, I do that at times, but without decent connectivity on the move (in India on the move connectivity is too slow or too costly) phone calls are the only options |
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| 15:08.55 | E-bola | I jsut compiled the 2.6.32 kernel on my virtual debian box, and it only took a couple of minutes... I thought it was supposed to take like an hour? |
| 15:09.20 | wols | depends on the cpu |
| 15:09.25 | xente | E-bola: that is impressive...I bet you missed something |
| 15:09.31 | jelly | E-bola: depends on the .config used |
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| 15:10.00 | wols | current CPUs don't need an hours. multicores and all |
| 15:10.02 | jelly | E-bola: it's normal for a tuned config with a modest number of drivers used |
| 15:10.14 | titan8990 | E-bola: if its the 2nd time you compiled, it will not recompile everything again unless you did a make clean |
| 15:10.31 | E-bola | Its the first time, but the onyl thing i actualy did in the config was enable some drives from the staging area |
| 15:10.57 | jelly | E-bola: which .config did you start from? Upstream default? Debian? |
| 15:11.04 | wols | E-bola: kernel.org default config or debian .config? |
| 15:11.06 | E-bola | jelly: the default from kernel.org |
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| 15:11.20 | jelly | E-bola: ya, they don't enable loads of crap by default |
| 15:11.21 | wols | you're lucky if it boots on your box then |
| 15:11.29 | xente | idem |
| 15:11.36 | E-bola | Mmm i'd use the debian one but i wasnt sure about the policy regarding the hyper-v drivers |
| 15:11.45 | E-bola | thats what im trying to compile, a debian kernel with hyper-v support |
| 15:11.46 | titan8990 | !hyper-v |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | Microsoft Hyper-V (formerly Windows Server Virtualization) is a non-free system <virtualization> product, not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is available at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . The Hyper-V staging drivers (providing paravirtualization support) are disabled in Debian 2.6.32 kernel image packages, slated for removal from mainline in 2.6.35. |
| 15:12.09 | E-bola | I know |
| 15:12.17 | titan8990 | E-bola: out of all the virtualization choices.... |
| 15:12.18 | E-bola | btw ihyper-v is actualy free |
| 15:12.25 | developerare | how hard is it to configure SAMBA on Debian? |
| 15:12.32 | titan8990 | E-bola: no... not according to the DFSG apparently |
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| 15:12.40 | E-bola | dfsg? |
| 15:12.42 | PinkFreud | E-bola: so is esxi and virtualbox |
| 15:12.44 | titan8990 | !dfsg |
| 15:12.45 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 15:12.45 | xente | developerare: depends on what you want it to do |
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| 15:12.50 | E-bola | lol |
| 15:12.59 | E-bola | diabetic foot study group? |
| 15:13.01 | E-bola | :P |
| 15:13.05 | E-bola | first hit on google hehe |
| 15:13.14 | titan8990 | factoid above |
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| 15:14.04 | E-bola | Well anyway, if i use the debian default source fromt he .deb, can i still enable staging tree drivers? |
| 15:14.07 | titan8990 | basically free of cost != free |
| 15:14.14 | developerare | share a directory so I can access the files in it from a windows comp at localhost |
| 15:14.18 | E-bola | since i'd prefer to use a debianized version if i can |
| 15:14.35 | xente | developerare: that's not too bad |
| 15:14.44 | developerare | ok |
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| 15:15.22 | developerare | what's recommended, google for it or search it in debian.com? |
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| 15:15.26 | Pierreb | hey whats wrong with this script? http://www.pastebin.org/105442 |
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| 15:16.13 | xente | is there an official way to regenerate your personal ssl certificates? |
| 15:16.14 | titan8990 | Pierreb: use absolutly any pastebin service but that one |
| 15:16.24 | xente | titan8990: why? |
| 15:16.45 | titan8990 | xente: pastebin.org showed up about 6mo ago. it has especially bad advertisements |
| 15:17.00 | titan8990 | ads with sound, ads that look like windows and tell you have a virus, etc |
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| 15:17.02 | abrotman | Pierreb: paste.debian.net |
| 15:17.03 | xente | titan8990: I see |
| 15:17.32 | titan8990 | xente: it was also setup to look like pastebin.com, which different |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | Pierreb: use full paths to your binaries |
| 15:17.34 | Pierreb | http://paste.debian.net/63197/ |
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| 15:17.48 | Pierreb | it is full path |
| 15:17.55 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | Pierreb: also, have you looked at adduser instead of useradd ? |
| 15:18.16 | titan8990 | Pierreb: quote your variables, set -x is your friend, and #bash |
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| 15:18.52 | Pierreb | abrotman: i have but its not what i need |
| 15:19.13 | titan8990 | Pierreb: and yes, the title of the useradd manpage says: useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead. |
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| 15:20.03 | abrotman | Pierreb: and you're still not using the full path |
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| 15:20.58 | abrotman | Pierreb: you also didn't tell us which part doesn't work |
| 15:21.19 | Pierreb | 2 secs checking |
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| 15:21.47 | abrotman | Pierreb: also what does 'uname -r' return ? |
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| 15:23.01 | Pierreb | its just me being a retard |
| 15:23.06 | Pierreb | it works |
| 15:23.21 | chops1 | Is sed capable of capturing a pattern and using it again on the other side? I'm trying "echo 'onetwo' | sed 's/(.*)two/$1/'" but it's not doing what I would expect. |
| 15:23.31 | jelly | chops1: \1 |
| 15:23.40 | jelly | chops1: also, sed -r |
| 15:24.02 | chops1 | jelly: Hm, \1 doesn't seem to work either (invalid reference \1 on 's' command's RHS) |
| 15:24.04 | themill | chops1: you're writing perl not sed there :) |
| 15:24.05 | jelly | chops1: different seds do () in different ways. |
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| 15:24.18 | themill | chops1: [15:23] <jelly> chops1: also, sed -r |
| 15:24.28 | xente | can someone explain to me why the private ssl cert is called ssl-cert-snakeoil.key? what is that supposed to mean? |
| 15:24.42 | jelly | xente: it's a fake cert. Thus, Snake Oil |
| 15:24.50 | themill | xente: a snake oil salesmen is someone you shouldn't trust |
| 15:24.53 | xente | jelly: that makes sense |
| 15:25.02 | chops1 | themill, jelly: Ah, I see. Thanks guys. |
| 15:25.07 | pawal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil |
| 15:25.09 | xente | I understood snake oil, I just didn't see how it applies |
| 15:25.27 | xente | so, that implies you are supposed to replace your keys, right? |
| 15:25.27 | jelly | chops1: it's either -r or escaping those (), I find the former more readable |
| 15:25.44 | jelly | (the previous line applies to GNU sed) |
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| 15:26.36 | jelly | chops1: don't be surprised when you end up on Solaris or whateverUX and sed behaved differently |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | behaves* |
| 15:28.27 | xente | can someone suggest how I replace my snakeoil keys? |
| 15:28.44 | nervousTwitch | when i connect to an ftp share iceweasel opens every time how can i change that? on the install i did yesterday it dosent seem to do that. |
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| 15:29.33 | xente | nervousTwitch: I had that same problem....you have to change a setting in your gconf |
| 15:29.35 | chops1 | jelly: Yes, -r works nicely, thanks again |
| 15:29.37 | titan8990 | nervousTwitch: how are you connecting to the ftp share? what DE are you using? |
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| 15:30.38 | nervousTwitch | ium just connecting throug places connect to server in gnome |
| 15:31.01 | titan8990 | nervousTwitch: I am not familiar with that but it sounded like xente was |
| 15:31.24 | xente | nervousTwitch: titan8990, I trying to find the solution..I can't remember off the top of my head....just a min |
| 15:31.28 | nervousTwitch | looking in gconfig right now |
| 15:31.52 | xente | it's somewhere in /desktop/gnome/url-handlers..I think |
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| 15:32.24 | nervousTwitch | ha got it |
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| 15:32.30 | xente | did it work? |
| 15:32.30 | nervousTwitch | thank you |
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| 15:32.46 | xente | I don't know what causes it but it was driving me nuts |
| 15:33.24 | nervousTwitch | heck yesh it worked |
| 15:33.35 | xente | good |
| 15:34.26 | magni | anyone knows why firefox 3.6 crashes on debian after installing flash10.deb from adobe hp? on accessing flash content |
| 15:34.51 | nervousTwitch | firefox or iceweasel? |
| 15:35.02 | wols | magni: ask adobe. and use the debian package of the flash player |
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| 15:35.16 | wols | magni: it's in lenny backports |
| 15:35.56 | magni | oh ok, adobe sucks but where is no choice arround where shit |
| 15:36.14 | wols | I just gave you a choice |
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| 15:37.59 | jelly | magni: we don't know, and have no control of, how Mozilla and Adobe build their binaries and what libraries they build them against. I't quite possible your Firefox 3.6 is completely incompatible with your Flash. |
| 15:38.10 | nervousTwitch | i have had the best luck with 64bit flash with google chrome |
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| 15:38.29 | nervousTwitch | but thats me |
| 15:40.21 | magni | yeah but i need ff 3.6 for an xul application -.- |
| 15:41.09 | wols | ,versions iceweasel |
| 15:41.10 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
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| 15:41.47 | magni | the backport did it :) |
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| 15:57.36 | xente | so, I have this freeradius server and I want to make new certificates, what's the elegant way of doing that? |
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| 16:00.27 | ddilinger | is it possible to change when linux decides to swap things out to disk? I wonder because i recently upgraded to 8G of memory, currently have 2G cached, 1G buffered and 2G free and yet it still decided to dump 80M of memory onto disk |
| 16:01.10 | wols | ddilinger: google "swappiness". see e.g. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 16:01.11 | beardy | !swappiness |
| 16:01.12 | dpkg | methinks swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
| 16:01.38 | ddilinger | thanks |
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| 16:03.01 | flaggy | hello, I installed radeon 3100 drivers by hand (I forgot the name of the utility debian has for installing such things). I had no way out, I had to install the propertary driver. The problem now is only that I can't see the mouse cursor. Which is very odd |
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| 16:03.26 | flaggy | everything works, but the mouse cursor is invisible in gnome, any ideas on how to solve it? |
| 16:04.10 | r3c4ll | Hi, i connect a webcam, the /var/log/mesages says that detect USB Device (say manufacturer but not that is a webcam) i open cheese and not open image... how i can know if it is configured or what can i do? |
| 16:04.16 | r3c4ll | I use Lenny |
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| 16:04.35 | babilen | !tell flaggy -about fglrx |
| 16:04.39 | babilen | flaggy: read the wiki page |
| 16:04.58 | wols | r3c4ll: find out what webcam it is. get the usb ID and google for it |
| 16:05.12 | r3c4ll | wols, and then? |
| 16:05.22 | babilen | flaggy: no idea why you can't see the mouse driver. try radeon/radeonhd as well. They work great for a lot of cards |
| 16:05.23 | wols | then you know what driver you need, if there is a driver at all, etc |
| 16:06.46 | flaggy | what wiki page? |
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| 16:07.55 | wols | flaggy: the one dpkg told you about |
| 16:09.59 | r3c4ll | wols, Thnxs bro ;) it working now =D |
| 16:10.23 | r3c4ll | wols, i need the gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-686 driver ;) |
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| 16:18.20 | flo|linux | hi |
| 16:18.32 | flo|linux | i'm trying to setup my canoscan n650u under debian lenny |
| 16:18.41 | flo|linux | as user, xsane can't find the scanner |
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| 16:18.49 | flo|linux | as root, it seems to be able to find it |
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| 16:18.57 | flo|linux | how do i make it user-accessible? |
| 16:19.04 | flo|linux | which groups should i add my user? |
| 16:19.12 | titan8990 | flo|linux: try adding you user to the scanner group and relogging |
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| 16:21.14 | cahoot | I'd say plugdev |
| 16:21.53 | cahoot | but better check the perms on the relevant usb-device |
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| 16:22.01 | wols | check /dev/scanner or /dev/sg* what its permissions are |
| 16:22.09 | cahoot | s/perms/ownership/ |
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| 16:24.43 | flo|linux | thanks, works |
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| 16:24.57 | flo|linux | but my scanner always calibrates before starting the scan. under windows, it didn't |
| 16:25.02 | flo|linux | can i switch that of anyhow? |
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| 16:28.35 | Paul_E | Hi all--I've added an entry to /etc/crontab: * * * * * root /bin/date to see if crond is working successfully on debian lenny, however I'm not getting any mail. I have a MAILTO=root command and exim appears to be up and running (I can send other mail). Could someone point me to how I can successfully debug if crond is having an issue running? I see no evidence that my cron entries are working. |
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| 16:29.34 | petemc | Paul_E: should be entries in syslog |
| 16:30.26 | leejongwook | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security, Do you want to ignore this warning ... ? <--- how do i "Yes" automatically ? |
| 16:30.34 | Paul_E | petemc: Hmm, thanks. /USR/SBIN/CRON[10658]: (root) CMD (/bin/date) |
| 16:30.36 | abrotman | you fix the untrusted part |
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| 16:30.48 | abrotman | leejongwook: put the entire thing in a pastebin |
| 16:30.55 | Paul_E | petemc: why am I not getting e-mail output? |
| 16:31.17 | petemc | Paul_E: check /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 16:31.34 | leejongwook | abrotman, i use DVDs as my repo, and when i try to install some programs, it pops up |
| 16:31.56 | abrotman | leejongwook: put the entire thing in a pastebin |
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| 16:32.12 | E-bola | What could be wrong if my debian box hangs every now and then at "loading, please wait" after the grub screen |
| 16:32.16 | E-bola | it only happens on default kernels |
| 16:32.27 | abrotman | warm/cold boots? |
| 16:32.28 | E-bola | and if i reboot 2-3 times it always ends up working |
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| 16:32.34 | E-bola | sometimes requirering a halt of the machine first |
| 16:32.40 | flo|linux | is there a scan/copy program that gives me a list of availible scanners? |
| 16:32.43 | flo|linux | xsane doesn't |
| 16:32.51 | titan8990 | E-bola: disable quiet and see where the problem is |
| 16:32.57 | flo|linux | xsane expects me to enter a correct lp command... but i want it parent-proof :/ |
| 16:33.00 | E-bola | titan8990: alright ile try that. |
| 16:33.05 | Paul_E | petemc: I've got a whole bunch of "message is frozen" |
| 16:33.07 | Paul_E | hmm. |
| 16:33.23 | flo|linux | i only have "new printer" selectable |
| 16:33.30 | petemc | Paul_E: that indicates a configuration problem - have you aliased roots mail to a normal user? |
| 16:33.43 | leejongwook | abrotman, and i'm just installing programs on my old pc, and this one got no cmos battery,(has wrong date). and.. i'll put the outputs, i need some times |
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| 16:33.56 | Paul_E | petemc: Nope, I haven't. |
| 16:34.09 | petemc | Paul_E: you should |
| 16:34.20 | Paul_E | wait.. apparently I have.. |
| 16:34.24 | Paul_E | wtf? |
| 16:34.26 | Paul_E | root: support |
| 16:34.31 | Paul_E | I have no idea what support is. |
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| 16:35.03 | jimcooncat | flo|linux: maybe "scanimage -L" |
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| 16:36.14 | E-bola | titan8990: thanks for the sugestion, it helped |
| 16:36.17 | Paul_E | petemc: I updated /etc/aliases to send root: to an external e-mail address. Is that okay, or is it preferable to send root: localuser -> external e-mail? |
| 16:36.25 | petemc | its fine either way |
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| 16:36.41 | Paul_E | thanks, looks like that cleared it up. |
| 16:36.49 | petemc | np |
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| 16:37.11 | Paul_E | I wonder how that support user got in there. |
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| 16:40.13 | leejongwook | abrotman, sorry, takes mucho times, could i show you after about 30 minutes later @_@ (i'm running script :P) and need to figure out how to captures all things |
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| 16:40.51 | leejongwook | i think it's because of time stamp @_@ |
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| 16:40.58 | abrotman | leejongwook: that's fine .. i may be at lunch .. bit i'll be around eventually |
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| 16:41.11 | Paul_E | mmm lunch. |
| 16:41.54 | _Brandon_ | hi, maybe it's a bit offtopic, I've configured a raid1 with the integrated sata raid controller, but with debian I see sdb and sdc separately |
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| 16:42.36 | leejongwook | abrotman, ok :) thanks and i'll change the date and try it again. and have good lunch :P |
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| 16:44.12 | wols | _Brandon_: it's probably a fakeraid. |
| 16:44.18 | wols | !tell _Brandon_ about dmraid |
| 16:44.22 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 16:45.08 | wols | _Brandon_: if you dualboot with windows, you need to use dmraid above. if you use only debian on that machine it is very strongly recommended to use linux software raid. after all, your fakeraid is software only as well |
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| 16:45.59 | _Brandon_ | wols: yeah I was thinking about software raid too, but I never used it, thanks |
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| 16:51.30 | leejongwook | hard to figure out who need Debian/Linux @_@ made many scripts to help new people but haven't found one yet.. i have no real friend to share :( |
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| 16:54.43 | leejongwook | i'll find one someday :) |
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| 16:55.19 | petemc | leejongwook: no local linux user groups in korea? |
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| 16:55.45 | kblin | hi folks |
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| 16:56.00 | leejongwook | @_@ i saw some i think they are good so i don't think they want my scripts :P |
| 16:56.34 | leejongwook | and never seen local Debian linux irc |
| 16:57.41 | kblin | I've just installed a basic lenny system and tried upgrading to squeeze, however, udev refuses to install and it seems like the new grub didn't add itself to the legacy grub as it claimedduring the upgrade.. is there any reasonable way to fix this? |
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| 17:02.00 | babilen | kblin: upgrade the kernel, reboot, upgrade udev |
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| 17:02.32 | kblin | babilen: ok, sounds reasonable |
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| 17:02.57 | babilen | kblin: And it worked for a couple of people who came here :) |
| 17:03.19 | kblin | that's the first time a dist-upgrade died on me, but arguably there's a lot of low-level changes between lenny and squeeze |
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| 17:07.13 | babilen | kblin: The udev upgrade is a little hairy |
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| 17:07.36 | babilen | kblin: But it'll work out if |
| 17:07.46 | babilen | .. you follow the steps outlined above |
| 17:07.47 | kblin | yeah, seems to be going through now |
| 17:07.51 | kblin | thanks |
| 17:07.51 | babilen | great |
| 17:08.18 | kblin | now I'm interested if the grub update works as well |
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| 17:08.34 | kblin | :) |
| 17:08.43 | babilen | if not - you know where to ask :) |
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| 17:11.29 | leejongwook | petemc, oh i remember a thing now, actually i was in some (diff. disto)linux irc channel in korea and they banned me twice. because they said i use Debian. so i don't go there no more |
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| 17:11.58 | gomiboy | Hi, is there a way to configure apt so that it never stores packages tarballs after install? |
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| 17:18.01 | b0fh_ua | Hi there! I have bad block on my HDD, I want to force drive to remap this sector. With dd it is not possible to write down the sector because of IO error. But the sector is not reallocated after that. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:24.35 | wols | bolt: to a long smartctl test |
| 17:25.11 | wols | http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html |
| 17:25.15 | bolt | ... |
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| 17:26.04 | wols | sorry, the b0fh above is l337 and uses null instead of the letter o |
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| 17:26.39 | bolt | ah :) |
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| 17:27.22 | b0fh_ua | wols: the problem is that dd doesn't want to write something onto disk drive :( |
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| 17:29.26 | mikl | is there a way to export the deb for a package that's already installed, but not in /var/cache/apt |
| 17:29.27 | mikl | ? |
| 17:29.47 | babilen | export? |
| 17:29.50 | joltcan | Can't you just download it again? |
| 17:30.13 | mikl | babilen: save it so I can install it to another machine |
| 17:30.39 | mikl | joltcan: no, its not available publicly |
| 17:30.53 | jimcooncat | mikl: dpkg-repack might work, maybe, better than nothing |
| 17:31.06 | babilen | mikl: Ah, I understand now. I am not aware of a way to achieve that. Just download it again |
| 17:31.17 | wols | b0fh_ua: there is no point doing so if there is an error at that point |
| 17:31.36 | mikl | jimcooncat: okay, I'll try it |
| 17:31.39 | mikl | thanks :) |
| 17:31.39 | themill | ,info dpkg-repack |
| 17:31.40 | judd | dpkg-repack (admin, optional): puts an unpacked .deb file back together. Version: 1.30; Size: 11.5k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/dpkg-repack/ |
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| 17:32.07 | babilen | looks good :) |
| 17:32.14 | babilen | hess++ |
| 17:32.27 | mikl | argh, this custom Debian-based server is a mess |
| 17:32.44 | mikl | canât install dpkg-repack, some packages are missing :( |
| 17:32.56 | babilen | !tell mikl -about debian based |
| 17:33.04 | babilen | mikl: Just install Debian and be happy :) |
| 17:33.04 | jimcooncat | dpkg-repack won't know what your original configuration was though, it will put /etc files in it's .deb as it sees them on the system. |
| 17:33.24 | babilen | jimcooncat: sure |
| 17:33.53 | mikl | babilen: If it was up to me, I'd install FreeBSD, but this is a clientâs hosting partner that apparently have no idea what theyâre doing |
| 17:34.18 | babilen | mikl: alright - good luck then. |
| 17:37.17 | titan8990 | mikl: installing freebsd is not going to help if your client's hosting partner doesn't know how to manage that either.... |
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| 17:37.44 | mikl | titan8990: no, but then I could at least manage it myself :) |
| 17:37.46 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
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| 17:38.18 | jimcooncat | 911 other people say hi back at rooisto47 |
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| 17:38.41 | rooisto47 | jimcooncat, ^^ |
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| 17:39.54 | babilen | mikl: what mess are you dealing with anyway? And is there no way to get hold of the original .deb file somewhere? |
| 17:39.54 | rooisto47 | I have problem with shutting down my debian base system, when I use halt it didn't power off the machine !! even with shutdown -h ! it print "system halted" in the end but don't power of the pc |
| 17:40.06 | rooisto47 | is that normal? |
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| 17:41.03 | mikl | babilen: well, the thing is that I need php5-memcache 2.2.x, and lenny only has 3.0.x â the guys have installed a 2.2.5 package on one of the servers |
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| 17:41.23 | titan8990 | judd: versions php5-memcache |
| 17:41.25 | nervousTwitch | rooisto is it acpi or apm? |
| 17:41.26 | judd | php5-memcache -- etch: 2.0.1-1.1; lenny: 3.0.1-1; sid: 3.0.4-3; squeeze: 3.0.4-3 |
| 17:41.38 | mikl | but they didn't leave the .deb there, so I can't move it to another machine :( |
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| 17:41.45 | titan8990 | mikl: are you use they used a deb and did not manually compile? |
| 17:41.59 | titan8990 | mikl: that versions did not exist in any debian release |
| 17:42.03 | babilen | rooisto47: have you disabled acpi? |
| 17:42.16 | mikl | titan8990: it appears in aptitude, so they probably built their own package |
| 17:42.52 | titan8990 | you may need to do the same |
| 17:42.58 | nervousTwitch | sounds like an older system using amp |
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| 17:43.02 | nervousTwitch | apm |
| 17:43.35 | rooisto47 | euh no I don't think so |
| 17:43.41 | babilen | nervousTwitch: probably - haven't seen that in ages |
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| 17:43.54 | rooisto47 | but it may be disabled by default !? |
| 17:43.58 | rooisto47 | babilen, |
| 17:44.48 | nervousTwitch | force acpi? |
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| 17:45.03 | rooisto47 | nervousTwitch, how |
| 17:45.21 | rooisto47 | to activate the acpi? |
| 17:45.31 | babilen | rooisto47: do you use apm? have a look at lsmod? |
| 17:45.54 | babilen | rooisto47: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390547 might be worth a try |
| 17:45.55 | nervousTwitch | i just wiped a laptop and it was an apm bios |
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| 17:46.25 | rooisto47 | babilen, no amp with lsmod |
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| 17:47.22 | nervousTwitch | i dont know how to force acpi=force with grub2 |
| 17:47.46 | rooisto47 | nervousTwitch, no it's lenny |
| 17:47.56 | rooisto47 | I'm with the stable version |
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| 17:48.05 | rooisto47 | so grub 1 |
| 17:48.17 | nervousTwitch | kernel line of menu.lst acpi=force |
| 17:48.25 | rooisto47 | ok thx |
| 17:48.30 | rooisto47 | I'll try that |
| 17:48.53 | titan8990 | not the kernel line... #defoptions= and run update-grub |
| 17:49.06 | titan8990 | nervousTwitch: in debian you should not edit uncommented sections of menu.lst |
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| 17:49.55 | nervousTwitch | my bad |
| 17:50.04 | titan8990 | the comments are read by update-grub. if you have altered an uncommented section, update-grub may not run which will pose problems when doing kernel upgrades |
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| 17:51.12 | tim_abell | can anyone help me figure out how to prompt for a password and then use it in postinst to set a password for a newly added user? I can't find any examples, if someone can point me to a howto or example that'd be great |
| 17:51.27 | titan8990 | nervousTwitch: also, those arguements are passed to the kernel, not grub. With all the differences in grub2, kernel options will remain the same |
| 17:51.39 | tim_abell | is learning to package for debian |
| 17:51.45 | nervousTwitch | yeah thats why i said i have no idea about grub2 |
| 17:51.50 | titan8990 | tim_abell: mysql-server is an example |
| 17:51.54 | wols | !tell tim_abell about nmg |
| 17:52.10 | nervousTwitch | just started using it actually |
| 17:52.43 | babilen | !tell tim_abell about mentors |
| 17:52.59 | titan8990 | tim_abell: well, mysql would set the mysql password. That is a rather odd request... why is it creating a user account intended to be logged in via a password? |
| 17:54.00 | nervousTwitch | how long do they intend on providing legacy support for grub1 |
| 17:54.08 | babilen | tim_abell: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:54.17 | tim_abell | titan8990, i'm packaging up backup exec's linux agent, and for some reason it uses the linux user to allow the central backup exec server to log in to the agent |
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| 17:54.34 | titan8990 | nervousTwitch: squeeze will have grub-legacy, so likely for atleast squeeze's lifetime |
| 17:55.15 | titan8990 | tim_abell: sounds like a system user... sure it should have a password? |
| 17:55.43 | tim_abell | titan8990, yes, the central server can't log in to the agent / linux box without it |
| 17:55.48 | tim_abell | odd. i know |
| 17:56.12 | tim_abell | wols, babilen thx for the links |
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| 17:56.46 | rgr | running progrme using wine (an old game actually) my mouse is drifting off left. Any idea how to fix this? It never used to occur and it doesnt drift on my gnome desktop. |
| 17:56.53 | babilen | tim_abell: You could also take a look at other packages that create a user. halevt is an example. It basically sets the users command interpreter to /bin/false IIRC |
| 17:59.07 | AimHere | rgr. I occasionally had that problem. It seems to be window-manager specific. I fixed it by not using WindowMaker no more. |
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| 18:00.40 | shogunx | hello. i am looking to add a new locale definition to debian. any ideas on who to talk to? |
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| 18:01.51 | wols | shogunx: apt-cache show locales|grep -i maintainer |
| 18:02.02 | wols | tho, it's probably better to talk to the glibc team at GNU |
| 18:02.14 | shogunx | cool. thanx. |
| 18:02.18 | babilen | ,maintainer locales |
| 18:02.19 | judd | Package eglibc version 2.11-0exp6 was uploaded by Clint Adams (Debian), last changed by Aurelien Jarno and maintained by GNU Libc Maintainers. |
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| 18:02.22 | tim_abell | thanks folks that's given me lots to go on. have extracted mysql-server...deb and am reading their scripts |
| 18:02.26 | rgr | AimHere: I use xmonad but its a new occurence that coincided with my X dul screens being totally broken with nvidia drivers too ;( My poor Squeeze machine is bit of n invalid at the moment. |
| 18:02.28 | tim_abell | laters |
| 18:02.53 | babilen | tim_abell: have fun |
| 18:03.03 | tim_abell | ta :) |
| 18:04.00 | babilen | shogunx: just out of curiosity; what would that locale be? |
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| 18:05.44 | shogunx | babilen, I-Kiribati, the local language of the south pacific nation Kiribati. the language is colloquially known as Glibertese as well. |
| 18:06.08 | shogunx | ^^Gilbertese |
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| 18:06.40 | babilen | shogunx: also "gibberish" :) great, sounds like it is worth it. Good luck with it! |
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| 18:07.24 | pallgone | I have problems with xorg intel driver and especially nxclient on squeeze... but also scrolling in browser is sluggish, any ideas? when I use vesa it does work ok, but of course the hw accel is gone... |
| 18:07.52 | shogunx | well, i am putting solarnetone systems ( http://solarnetone.org ) on the islands for internet cafes, and having their language supported would be of great benefit to them. |
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| 18:09.02 | wols | shogunx: wow. 100000 people :) funny |
| 18:09.23 | babilen | shogunx: sure - support for "minority" languages and easy per-user configuration is a big advantage of linux and I'm happy to see even more locales :) (but you'll need the translations as well) |
| 18:09.24 | shogunx | babilen, its actually a pretty interesting language, with lots of words based on english, but using a 13 letter alphabet. |
| 18:09.43 | babilen | shogunx: This is interesting, but completely off-topic here ... |
| 18:09.55 | shogunx | hence, Gilberts is called Kiribati. |
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| 18:10.04 | shogunx | yeah... been off topic here for many years:) |
| 18:10.09 | babilen | haha |
| 18:10.11 | icebrain | what's the recommended way for installing PyPi packages not present in Debian? Is there a supported way, or should I make a package and possibly contribute it to Debian? |
| 18:10.17 | babilen | points to #d-ot |
| 18:10.31 | shogunx | the translations will come from the locals. i can provide that part. |
| 18:10.58 | shogunx | i ramble... sorry. call it scope creep:) |
| 18:11.00 | babilen | icebrain: I would suggest to install them within a virtualenv or download the package from the cheeseshop and use the --user installation scheme in py2.6 (if you have that) |
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| 18:11.17 | wols | cheeseshop? |
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| 18:11.22 | shogunx | anyway, thanks. |
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| 18:12.07 | niCe | hi, what packets do i need to install so i can call php as comand in /bin/bash? |
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| 18:12.31 | themill | dpkg: tell niCe about search |
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| 18:14.19 | icebrain | wols: cheeseshop is the python package repository (http://pypi.python.org/pypi) |
| 18:14.47 | icebrain | wols: it's a Monty Python reference |
| 18:14.53 | niCe | ^^ "# aptitude search php" -> but i didn't find anything |
| 18:15.12 | titan8990 | niCe: no results? |
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| 18:15.37 | titan8990 | niCe: or you were unable to determine which one was right? |
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| 18:15.57 | rvsjoen | here's a hint -> 'cli' |
| 18:16.00 | themill | niCe: you were looking for php as a command. So wouldn't "apt-cache search php command" be a good thing to try? |
| 18:16.07 | niCe | no, i installed php5 but it doesn't work |
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| 18:16.37 | titan8990 | niCe: apt-file update; apt-file find /bin/php |
| 18:16.45 | themill | thinks niCe should try searching a little harder and that hints have been given for a reason |
| 18:17.12 | babilen | icebrain: sorry - lost my connection |
| 18:17.38 | niCe | thx |
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| 18:17.43 | babilen | icebrain: Have you got my messages about virtualenv, pip, PEP 370 --user and *not* installing into the system directories? |
| 18:17.53 | icebrain | babilen: no problem, you've already helped. thanks. but I'm a little disappointed |
| 18:17.56 | icebrain | babilen: yes |
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| 18:18.28 | babilen | icebrain: How come you are disappointed? virtualenv (+ virtualenvwrapper) is great and so is --user |
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| 18:18.51 | TTimo | I lost networking with today's sid update and reboot :( |
| 18:19.05 | titan8990 | TTimo: welcome to sid! |
| 18:19.41 | icebrain | babilen: meh, I prefer apt integration. yeah, I know I should keep them isolated to enable multiple versions and whatnot, but I like automatic updates and stuff |
| 18:20.39 | TTimo | anyone aware of specific issues with latest packages that relate to networking? seeing some console spam from udev during boot, so maybe that's related |
| 18:21.25 | babilen | icebrain: You can upgrade with pip as well. And just install all the packages that are in Debian with apt |
| 18:21.29 | titan8990 | TTimo: the BTS might have. Sid is not supported by many of the regular helpers here... |
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| 18:22.06 | babilen | icebrain: But virtualenv/--user gives you the ability to create additional Python environments easily, use tools like pip to manage them without fucking your system |
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| 18:22.49 | babilen | TTimo: check the bts |
| 18:22.50 | wols | TTimo: are the interfaces still there? IP assigned? |
| 18:23.00 | TTimo | no eth0 is just gone |
| 18:23.09 | wols | TTimo: how did you check? |
| 18:23.19 | TTimo | maybe it's another of those 'firmware removed from kernel |
| 18:23.22 | icebrain | babilen: right, I had heard about Pip in the pycon talks and forgot about it, thanks. Yeah, I know virtualenvs are useful, but they seem a little overkill for my use case |
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| 18:23.38 | TTimo | like the plague of bnx systems that lost network some time ago |
| 18:23.40 | themill | TTimo: what kernel version and what version of udev? |
| 18:23.41 | babilen | TTimo: also give a more detailed description of your problems. It might also be interesting to log the boot messages (enable bootlog) and let us see them |
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| 18:24.22 | TTimo | yeah .. it's such an obvious upgrade problem that I'm fishing for similar experience .. usually works well enough .. figure which package to downgrade or grab from experimental |
| 18:24.27 | babilen | icebrain: They are a very thin layer and easy to manage with virtualenvwrapper - give it try it's worth it. I can't imagine developing without them :) |
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| 18:27.20 | babilen | icebrain: I would also suggest the virtualenv that comes with distribute instead of setuptools ... but i'll just shut up now :) |
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| 18:33.16 | Rod_Munch | first name is rodney |
| 18:33.28 | babilen | Rod_Munch: stop it please |
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| 18:35.25 | neoice | so if I do 'crontab -e' as root, it opens /etc/crontab. on most other systems, it opens a root crontab. how can I fix this? |
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| 18:41.03 | titan8990 | neoice: Note that su(8) can confuse crontab and that if you are running inside of su(8) you should always use the -u option for safetyâs sake. |
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| 18:46.16 | PyroPhelia | it's working of the slower card atm so maybe I just never noticed it, but it's eating IO time right now right in the middle of production. If it is normal for mdadm to check the raid is it possible to tell it when? |
| 18:46.31 | PyroPhelia | during the business day is a terrible time to do it. |
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| 18:47.39 | X-Raimo | how to make remove sound support in debian? |
| 18:47.53 | X-Raimo | *remote |
| 18:47.56 | abrotman | blacklist your sound modules |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:48.07 | abrotman | X-Raimo: i think pulse can do that, or try mpd |
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| 18:49.31 | X-Raimo | abrotman:i have server without sound card, it works as LTSP Server. And my ltsp-clients with thier sound cards need to play music |
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| 18:51.06 | X-Raimo | abrotman:i need to do so using esd as example |
| 18:51.32 | aflag | hi, my sound is working fine on gnome but the volume control applet doesn't work. I don't know why |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | aflag: make sure linux-sound-base and alsa-utils are installed |
| 18:52.27 | abrotman | X-Raimo: i've never done it with ltsp .. |
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| 18:53.19 | titan8990 | aflag: make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 18:53.20 | aflag | abrotman: they are |
| 18:53.35 | aflag | it is |
| 18:53.39 | aflag | the sound works |
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| 18:53.47 | titan8990 | aflag: although, if it was not, i would not expect you to be able to hear sound at all... however the volume control is a symptom of lacking group perms |
| 18:53.49 | aflag | jsut the sound volume applet that doesn't |
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| 18:54.00 | aflag | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 18:54.02 | aflag | it says taht |
| 18:54.23 | titan8990 | aflag: right... which it normally says when your user is not in the audio goup. atleast check |
| 18:54.24 | X-Raimo | abrotman:and if I setup sound card at server all sounds from clients plays via server's interface |
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| 18:54.49 | abrotman | aflag: how did you install gnome ? |
| 18:55.02 | abrotman | X-Raimo: i really haven't done what youre' asking .. but i'd imagine the LTSP docs mention this |
| 18:55.11 | aflag | It was installed for me when I chose Desktop during the installation |
| 18:55.12 | WiseBird | hello. somebody knows how to install adobe flash player 10.1 (in tar-archive only .so file) |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | aflag: at the console, 'aptitude install gnome' |
| 18:55.34 | abrotman | WiseBird: for Lenny ? |
| 18:55.38 | WiseBird | abrotman: yes |
| 18:55.46 | titan8990 | WiseBird: #adobe does. here we do it the debian way (install the .deb from backports) |
| 18:55.48 | aflag | it didn't install anything new |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | WiseBird: /msg dpkg bpo ... use the backports.org package .. it's almost always easier to at least start that way .. |
| 18:56.19 | abrotman | WiseBird: you can overwrite the .so later if you choose, but there's some magic that happens with that package |
| 18:56.31 | WiseBird | =) |
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| 19:00.37 | TTimo | I don't get it. Its an intel onboard network card, the module (e1000) is loaded, and ifconfig doesn't show an ethernet interface for it anymore |
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| 19:01.30 | virtual | TTimo: kernel selfcompiled ? |
| 19:01.52 | abrotman | TTimo: uname -r ? |
| 19:02.05 | TTimo | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | TTimo: and 'lspci -nn | grep Net' |
| 19:02.22 | abrotman | or is that 'grep net' ? |
| 19:02.25 | abrotman | bleh .. grep -i net! |
| 19:02.45 | virtual | TTimo: deb or ubu ? |
| 19:02.58 | TTimo | intel corp 82545GM Gigabit blah blah |
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| 19:03.16 | TTimo | debian sid .. lost the network with latest update and reboot, trying to figure it out |
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| 19:03.50 | WiseBird | stupid question, where i can get key for backports.org? |
| 19:03.50 | WiseBird | NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | TTimo: we need the last part |
| 19:04.06 | abrotman | WiseBird: read the instructions at the site |
| 19:04.27 | WiseBird | abrotman: oh, my eyes))) |
| 19:04.29 | WiseBird | thnx |
| 19:04.29 | virtual | TTimo: upgrade completed ? |
| 19:04.53 | PinkFreud | TTimo: grep e1000 /proc/modules |
| 19:05.20 | TTimo | it's there .. |
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| 19:05.26 | PinkFreud | TTimo: which one? |
| 19:05.30 | PinkFreud | there are two modules. |
| 19:05.38 | TTimo | just 'e1000' |
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| 19:05.51 | TTimo | version 7.3.21-k5-NAPI according to modinfo |
| 19:05.56 | TTimo | what is the other one ? |
| 19:06.06 | TTimo | I may just have lost dhclient actually |
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| 19:06.42 | PinkFreud | TTimo: which module - e1000 or e1000e? |
| 19:06.48 | nakee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.00 | TTimo | e1000, no sign of 'e1000e' .. I can try to force load that one instead? |
| 19:07.02 | PinkFreud | oh, whoops, missed that. |
| 19:07.09 | PinkFreud | TTimo: actually, do 'ifconfig -a' |
| 19:07.15 | PinkFreud | does it show your missing interface? |
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| 19:07.58 | TTimo | with 'ip addr show' I see eth0 yeah |
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| 19:08.13 | PinkFreud | ok, so the module works. your interface is just not up. :) |
| 19:08.13 | TTimo | yeah dhclient disappeared somehow .. probably apt remove it and I wasn't watching |
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| 19:08.16 | TTimo | yeah |
| 19:08.26 | TTimo | it's not showing in 'ifconfig' though |
| 19:08.30 | abrotman | TTimo: we want the PCIID |
| 19:08.35 | TTimo | I was expecting it would, and say it's 'down' |
| 19:08.41 | abrotman | TTimo: the asdf:1234 part |
| 19:08.44 | PinkFreud | TTimo: correct. if you do 'ifconfig -a', it'll show you all interfaces, including those that are down |
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| 19:08.55 | abrotman | or not |
| 19:09.02 | TTimo | ah |
| 19:09.08 | PinkFreud | ifconfig with no arguments will not show you downed interfaces |
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| 19:09.34 | titan8990 | or you can use `ip addr` which will show all interfaces regardless |
| 19:09.39 | edeca | I have a script run from cron.hourly, but if I redirect stdout then it doesn't run. Any ideas why? |
| 19:09.41 | PinkFreud | titan8990: yes. |
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| 19:10.09 | abrotman | edeca: when testing the script? |
| 19:10.14 | titan8990 | has been trying to get in the habit of using ip instead of ifconfig |
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| 19:10.32 | edeca | abrotman: No, when _testing_ (i.e. call /etc/cron.hourly/Script) it works fine |
| 19:10.32 | babilen | can't really parse ip's output |
| 19:10.43 | PinkFreud | titan8990: I'm just too used to ifconfig. :) |
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| 19:11.10 | abrotman | bad irc client! |
| 19:11.14 | edeca | abrotman: When run from cron itself, I get the first message (echo "Running <script>") but then the next line, which calls /root/Scripts/MyScript, only runs if stdout is not redirected |
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| 19:11.37 | PinkFreud | that's getting annoying. |
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| 19:12.49 | titan8990 | babilen: should parse /proc/net/dev anyways :p |
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| 19:13.13 | SPF | where can I find the xmms gui? |
| 19:13.17 | abrotman | edeca: or sometihng in the script fails? you might want to try to debug the script .. |
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| 19:13.20 | abrotman | SPF: audacious |
| 19:13.39 | titan8990 | edeca: did you delete the newline at the end of the cronjob when you added the redirect? |
| 19:13.45 | edeca | abrotman: Yeah, that's why I only redirect stdout not stderr! Something in the script seems to fail if stdout is redirected |
| 19:13.54 | edeca | titan8990: Hrm, possibly, that shouldn't be an issue though? |
| 19:13.55 | SPF | abrotman: thx |
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| 19:14.15 | tisepti | do preinst scripts run before dependencies are checked? |
| 19:14.16 | titan8990 | edeca: according to the manpage, yes, it would be an issue. they should always end in newlines |
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| 19:14.41 | edeca | titan8990: That's for crontabs, not for scripts in /etc/cron.hourly |
| 19:14.51 | edeca | titan8990: I'm not touching the crontab, just the script |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | tisepti: no, deps are checked when you ask to install the package |
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| 19:16.46 | tisepti | ok; so if i need another package removed as part of a package install i can do that with what? a replaces tag? |
| 19:17.00 | tisepti | said other package may or may not exist |
| 19:17.17 | titan8990 | edeca: your right, sorry |
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| 19:17.22 | prefrontal | how do I use the --download-only/-d option of apt-get? I want to use it to download a package so that I can inspect it. I tried this: apt-get -d libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | prefrontal: okay .. so it downloaded it .. |
| 19:18.00 | edeca | titan8990: No problems, it's useful to remember |
| 19:18.20 | prefrontal | abtrotman no, it gave me an error: E: Invalid operation libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
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| 19:18.51 | titan8990 | prefrontal: apt-get -d install <foobar>; (untested guess) |
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| 19:18.55 | titan8990 | used aptitude download |
| 19:19.14 | abrotman | prefrontal: titan8990 has it correct .. or use aptitude |
| 19:19.31 | prefrontal | titan8990, i tried that but it looked identical to the situation where it would actually install the package which would break my system |
| 19:19.38 | prefrontal | i will use aptitude instead, thanks |
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| 19:24.58 | abrotman | prefrontal: you could also use the --print-uris and wget |
| 19:25.10 | Snadder | Anyone know about an good opensource implentation of "Distributed data processing" ? |
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| 19:25.48 | raccoon_ | Snadder: boinc |
| 19:25.59 | virtual | Snadder: pvm, mpi and such |
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| 19:26.29 | ghenry | hi, what's the name of the daemon/server/tool that allows you to connect two desktops/screen together to you can drag and drop between again? |
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| 19:26.59 | virtual | ghenry: xinerama, xorg entry |
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| 19:27.21 | Snadder | raccoon_, I only need one which works on Linux, and I need to be able to modify it easy.. so I can encode video with the system.. |
| 19:27.31 | ghenry | virtual: nah, that doesn't ring a bell. I've got a desktop pc and a laptop |
| 19:27.46 | ghenry | virtual: a little daemon that runs. Will dig though mey email |
| 19:28.00 | virtual | ghenry: aaahh then dunno |
| 19:28.15 | ghenry | cheers anyway virtual |
| 19:28.21 | virtual | Snadder: transcode is clusterable |
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| 19:29.36 | Snadder | virtual, what do you mean by that? |
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| 19:30.08 | ghenry | virtual: found it http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/09/how-to-share-your-keyboard-and-mouse-in-realtime-with-synergy/ |
| 19:30.12 | ghenry | synergy virtual |
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| 19:30.27 | kkszysiu | hello |
| 19:30.41 | kkszysiu | is there any channel for packagers? |
| 19:30.46 | virtual | Snadder: you would have a distributed system for video encoding, transcode (vidoencoder) can be setup over multiple machines |
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| 19:31.47 | Snadder | virtual, yes, I want an example of such a system. If possible. |
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| 19:33.36 | Snadder | virtual, the challence is to recover.. when one server goes down.. to resend the video to another server. |
| 19:34.00 | Snadder | virtual, and just make a robust system for this.. |
| 19:34.11 | Snadder | virtual, know about someone who've done it before? |
| 19:34.25 | virtual | Snadder: this is the case, a possible example is dvd::rip, basing on transcode |
| 19:35.15 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:35.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:36.26 | virtual | Snadder: just install the multimedia-repo from marrilat and pull it. |
| 19:37.15 | Snadder | virtual, cool :-) |
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| 19:38.22 | Snadder | virtual, do you know the diffrence between transcode and ffmpeg? |
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| 19:39.21 | abrotman | kkszysiu: the above 'mentors' was for you |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | kkszysiu: that channel is for help with packaging .. i think that's what you were askign about |
| 19:39.36 | virtual | Snadder: i do very seldom video-thingies, some ppl in ##linux are better informed |
| 19:39.37 | kkszysiu | abrotman, yeah, I see |
| 19:39.38 | kkszysiu | thanks |
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| 19:40.12 | Snadder | virtual, ok, thanks alot! :-) |
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| 19:52.55 | xypron | I am maintaining the upstream of a libglpk-java. A Java installation normally consists of three jar: the library, the sources and the javadoc (e.g. libglpk-java.jar, libglpk-java-sources.jar, libglpk-java-javadoc.jar, I read http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/x105.html but I am not sure if the sources and javadoc jars should also be installed to /usr/share/java, The... |
| 19:52.56 | xypron | ...debian policy for Java only tells "Their classes must be in jar archive(s) in the directory /usr/share/java," |
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| 19:54.09 | abrotman | xypron: you're probably better off asking #debian-mentors or #debian-java on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:54.12 | titan8990 | xypron: #debian-mentors on oftc would be better for that question |
| 19:54.23 | xypron | thx |
| 19:54.37 | titan8990 | kicks abrotman for being 15secs faster |
| 19:54.48 | abrotman | and typing more? |
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| 19:55.07 | feisar | hi, I am thinking of giving Debian a try with KDE 4 from the unstable repos. Should I use amd64 or stick with i386? |
| 19:55.24 | abrotman | feisar: you should probably use squeeze, not sid |
| 19:55.26 | titan8990 | do we have a factoid for "if you have to ask?" |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | !iytays |
| 19:55.38 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:55.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:55.41 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 19:55.41 | jelly-home | dpkg: listvals if you have to ask |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'if you have to ask' by value (10): iyhtays ;; iyhtaysdi ;; CMD: iyhtays (.*?) ;; unstable ;; asshat ;; why stable ;; ext3 ;; choose fs rule ;; filesystems ;; install sid. |
| 19:55.58 | feisar | abrotman: thanks, why do you recommend that? |
| 19:56.05 | jelly-home | titan8990: we don't have "a" factoid. |
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| 19:56.06 | abrotman | feisar: sid breaks, sometimes badly |
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| 19:56.40 | jelly-home | feisar: kde4 in squeeze seems to work acceptably well |
| 19:56.41 | feisar | one of the reasons for my desire to switch to debian is so it won't break |
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| 19:56.52 | abrotman | feisar: unstable isn't the way to go |
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| 19:57.08 | titan8990 | ... testing isn't they way to go either if that is your desire |
| 19:57.09 | SPF | greymalkin: does your fit-pc2 run X? |
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| 19:57.15 | feisar | although I would like to use KDE 4 I am tired of bleeding edge distos |
| 19:57.17 | jmd | Does anyone know how to get the Keyboard menu to work? |
| 19:57.22 | abrotman | titan8990: it breaks far less |
| 19:57.43 | abrotman | titan8990: it breaks far less, and usually less severely .. sadly it seems to break for longer |
| 19:57.49 | feisar | so would lenny and KDE 4 not be a good idea? |
| 19:57.53 | titan8990 | abrotman: yes.. but I am not sure about how much less than a bleeding-edge distro (if less at all) |
| 19:58.07 | titan8990 | feisar: lenny does not have kde4 |
| 19:58.16 | feisar | ah |
| 19:58.34 | feisar | i see |
| 19:59.06 | feisar | so I would need to use sqeeze |
| 19:59.29 | feisar | ok thanks guys, I'll have a think and a read |
| 19:59.41 | feisar | probably be back |
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| 20:01.56 | voxio | hi guys.. is there an easy way to GPG sign .deb files? like rpm -addsign *.rpm |
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| 20:02.14 | voxio | multiple deb files* |
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| 20:05.38 | titan8990 | voxio: debsign maybe? |
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| 20:16.45 | Bastihase | who can finde the java directory on debian? |
| 20:17.09 | titan8990 | Bastihase: do you mean the location of the java binary? |
| 20:17.19 | Bastihase | yes home directory |
| 20:17.55 | Bastihase | the location of my Java homedirectory |
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| 20:18.20 | jimcooncat | whereis java |
| 20:18.21 | jimcooncat | java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/X11R6/bin/java /usr/bin/X11/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz |
| 20:18.43 | titan8990 | Bastihase: users have home directories, not applications or interpreters |
| 20:19.04 | titan8990 | Bastihase: maybe you are looking for /usr/share/java? |
| 20:19.05 | urezki|home | dpkg -L doesn't help you ? |
| 20:19.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching doesn't help you |
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| 20:19.18 | Bastihase | /usr/bin/java <-- is it |
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| 20:19.42 | titan8990 | Bastihase: in the future: `which java` or `whereis java` |
| 20:19.56 | kleanchap | How do you setup/install a destop version of Debian? |
| 20:20.06 | titan8990 | Bastihase: that is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java, do not alter it unless using update-java-alternatives |
| 20:20.15 | jelly-home | Bastihase: the question is, why do you need JAVA_HOME, and which java jre/sdk do you have installed? |
| 20:20.16 | virtual | kleanchap: like any other version |
| 20:20.23 | titan8990 | kleanchap: select the desktop task when it gets the the task selection |
| 20:20.29 | gomiboy | Is there a way to configure apt so that it deletes downloaded tarballs after install? |
| 20:20.38 | Bastihase | Linux/Unix: |
| 20:20.39 | Bastihase | Edit build.sh to correct the location of your Java homedirectory. |
| 20:20.39 | Bastihase | > build.sh jar |
| 20:21.12 | virtual | gomiboy: debian installs .deb and those will vanish if you say yes after install |
| 20:21.38 | jelly-home | Bastihase: debian has wrappers to figure out the actual JAVA_HOME, since there may be more than one SDK installed. /usr/lib/java-wrappers/java-wrappers.sh |
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| 20:23.23 | jelly-home | Bastihase: so, which java sdk do you have installed? None is installed by default. |
| 20:23.55 | gomiboy | virtual: sure, debs ;)... i use apt-get install but it keeps debs in /var/cache/apt/archives after install... |
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| 20:24.47 | jelly-home | !tell Bastihase about install java |
| 20:25.27 | Bastihase | !tell jelly-home hey babe i need time x3 |
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| 20:26.09 | titan8990 | gomiboy: apt-get clean will clear it out |
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| 20:26.34 | kleanchap | Does Debian install packages with dependency checks? |
| 20:26.44 | Gnewt | Is there a tool that would allow me to cap a certain openvpn client to a certain bandwidth amount per month? |
| 20:26.55 | Gnewt | kleanchap: yes |
| 20:27.01 | titan8990 | kleanchap: yes, slackware is the only distro I know without a package manager that does not handle dpeneds |
| 20:27.04 | gomiboy | titan8990: i know, but is there a conf switch to do it automatically after every install? |
| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | Bastihase: uh, er, honey, that was a command for the bot to tell you some possibly helpful information in a private message |
| 20:27.18 | titan8990 | kleanchap: that worded slightly wrong, but you get the idea |
| 20:27.23 | virtual | gomiboy: i use the saurus dselect ( for dependency clarification ) but your way is apt-get clean |
| 20:27.32 | kleanchap | titan8990, |
| 20:27.35 | kleanchap | titan8990, yes |
| 20:27.37 | titan8990 | gomiboy: not that I know of. If it matters, define a function in your .bashrc |
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| 20:28.24 | gomiboy | titan8990: virtual: ok, thanks |
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| 20:28.50 | kleanchap | How about installing packages as a group? For example, X11 or development environment tools etc.. |
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| 20:30.10 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: There are multiple package managers available, and there are "tasks" or groups of packages that can be installed. Depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 20:30.23 | virtual | kleanchap: whenever you need a specific app and it depends on another, apt will tell you the choices |
| 20:30.47 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Aptitude is generally agreed to do the best dependency management. |
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| 20:31.21 | titan8990 | kleanchap: also, by default apt will install "recommends" |
| 20:31.29 | pierre_le | hi. is there a way to "restart sound" without unloading all the snd-related modules? i have an integrated intel ich10 HDA. i lose sound in iceweasel/flash and no way to recover it. aoss wrapper do not work at all |
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| 20:32.58 | leg- | when I try to mount my usb pendrive I get this error: mount: mount point /mnt/usbtstick does not exist |
| 20:33.09 | leg- | but there actually is a dir /mnt/usbstick and the device is available... |
| 20:33.23 | rgr | pierre_le: "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart" might work |
| 20:33.24 | raccoon_ | leg-: are you sure you spelled it right? ;) |
| 20:33.40 | raccoon_ | leg-: /mnt/usbstick != /mnt/usbtstick |
| 20:33.51 | leg- | omg I really should buy some glasses |
| 20:33.52 | leg- | shame on me |
| 20:34.02 | jelly-home | pierre_le: as a first step, you can check all the processes using the sound devices (fuser /dev/snd/*) and kill them, then kill -9 them |
| 20:34.26 | jelly-home | pierre_le: flash 10 should be doing alsa nicely |
| 20:34.37 | jelly-home | (no need for wrappers any more) |
| 20:34.44 | Bastihase | hostsystem:~/freecs-1.3.20100306# ./freecs.sh |
| 20:34.44 | Bastihase | -bash: ./freecs.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 20:34.47 | Bastihase | ??? |
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| 20:35.19 | et | Bastihase: you have windows linebreaks in there. |
| 20:35.26 | Bastihase | i have debian |
| 20:35.27 | jelly-home | Bastihase: see that ^M? You have somehow managed to convert that .sh file to DOS/Windows linebreaks |
| 20:35.55 | et | Bastihase: that doesn't change the fact that this file has a windows linebreak on the first line |
| 20:36.24 | jelly-home | Bastihase: fix it using dos2unix, or perl -pi -e 's/\r//', or sed -i -e 's/ |
| 20:36.28 | jelly-home | eh, |
| 20:36.35 | jelly-home | you get the point. |
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| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | wonders what freecs is |
| 20:37.03 | fo00dns | hello folks, i was attemtping to set up VM using virt-manger. i am using kvm_intel module. i was installing a lenny vm on squeeze box. the installation failed with http://pastebin.com/3qe0NxAh error in the one of the virtual console. i would appreciate some points on fixing this. |
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| 20:37.48 | Bastihase | i have started the wrong script ;s |
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| 20:38.32 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:39.40 | kleanchap | The Debian bittorrent download is listing 6 DVDs. Do I need all of them or can I download one and install the rest via network as needed? |
| 20:40.08 | nervousTwitch | use net install |
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| 20:41.27 | Bastihase | BUILD FAILED |
| 20:41.28 | Bastihase | com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. |
| 20:41.28 | Bastihase | Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK |
| 20:41.36 | nervousTwitch | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 20:41.40 | pierre_le | kleanchap, you can use 1st dc/dvd , or minimal net install cd/usb. |
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| 20:41.51 | Bastihase | /root/freecs-1.3.20100306/build/./build.xml:93: Unable to find a javac compiler; |
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| 20:42.51 | nervousTwitch | i did a net install yester via wireless it was so cool |
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| 20:44.17 | jelly-home | Bastihase: 1) please use a pastebin when pasting more than 3 lines 2) please provide answers for questions asked before. When you set up JAVA_HOME environment variable correctly, your script might go further. |
| 20:44.35 | justin | setting JAVA_HOME is not usually neccessary in debian |
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| 20:44.45 | justin | however, installing the jdk is |
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| 20:44.56 | Bastihase | !dpkg paste |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:45.00 | jelly-home | Bastihase: if you don't know whether java is installed, or where it's installed, SAY SO |
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| 20:45.39 | nsadmin | Bastihase: how did you install java? if not from a debian package, then the excuse of "you're closer" applies... find your jdk and set JAVA_HOME to it (in OTHER WORDS: you did not read and understand the message you got, if you did, you would see that it has the solution, you have to do a little work to apply it. DO it.) |
| 20:45.43 | Bastihase | http://pastebin.com/TvtjcJG5 |
| 20:47.16 | justin | Bastihase: that script is entirely irrelevant for a debian system. apt-get install ant |
| 20:47.41 | Bastihase | i have ant on it |
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| 20:48.21 | nsadmin | Bastihase if the ant you have is not installed from debian, then again, "you're closer"... solve it |
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| 20:53.19 | Phil` | having upgraded Squeeze today with dist-upgrade I can no longer log into SSH - error is "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" |
| 20:53.32 | Phil` | after booting the box into recovery the logs say http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/view/305410f9 |
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| 20:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | interesting, I don't have openpty on this lenny box. |
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| 20:56.28 | jok3r | hey guys, if i want to use aptitude to download a debian package from outside of my architecture, where do i change the architecture? |
| 20:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | Phil: ssh seems to work fine on it though. |
| 20:56.50 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: is /dev/pts mounted? |
| 20:57.06 | Phil | http://eligere.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/fix-ssh-openpty-error-session_pty_req-session-0-alloc-failed/ |
| 20:57.13 | Phil | that came up after googling the 2nd error |
| 20:57.19 | jok3r | any ideas? i'm on ppc and i'd like to get i386 packages |
| 20:57.21 | Phil | I'll add the fstab line and see what happens |
| 20:57.22 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Mine is. |
| 20:57.33 | jhutchins_lt | Phil: is /dev/pts mounted? |
| 20:57.50 | Phil | jhutchins, it's never been in fstab |
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| 20:58.18 | jelly-home | Phil: it usually doesn't have to be; what does /proc/mounts say? |
| 20:58.36 | Phil | jelly-home, no clue, can't ssh in |
| 20:58.43 | Phil | I'm in recovery atm with the disk mounted |
| 20:58.44 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 20:58.48 | jok3r | i'm choking on the fact that apt-get/aptitude cant seem to select arch |
| 20:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | Phil: Yeah, it's not in mine either, maybe squeeze needs it. |
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| 20:59.03 | Phil | I'll see how this fstab thing goes |
| 20:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Why would you want packages that are compiled NOT to run on your architecture? |
| 20:59.20 | Phil | I'm getting a little fed up of upgrades breaking critical stuff |
| 20:59.34 | jok3r | jhutchins_lt, it's not important to this discussion ;) |
| 20:59.47 | jok3r | jhutchins_lt, the point is that i want to do it, and it shouldn't be difficult |
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| 20:59.57 | jelly-home | Phil: don't use testing or unstable on critical systems |
| 21:00.06 | Phil | jelly, it's not a critical system |
| 21:00.15 | Bittarman | when can I grab an upto date subversion package? |
| 21:00.23 | jelly-home | Phil: you just said it was |
| 21:00.25 | Bittarman | for lenny |
| 21:00.43 | Phil | jelly, there's critical elements to it (like being able to log in) |
| 21:00.55 | Phil | I'm not too bothered if it breaks php (which it did also) |
| 21:01.08 | Phil | but not being able to log in and fix it is a bit of a pain |
| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | aye |
| 21:01.36 | jelly-home | ,versions subversion |
| 21:01.38 | judd | subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2; etch-security: 1.4.2dfsg1-3; etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-4; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-4; lenny-backports: 1.6.4dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.6.9dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.6.9dfsg-1 |
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| 21:02.03 | jok3r | jhutchins_lt, is there no easy way to accomplish this? |
| 21:02.05 | jelly-home | Bittarman: well, backports.org seems to have 1.6.4, is that uptodate enough? |
| 21:02.22 | Bittarman | should do |
| 21:02.24 | Bittarman | ty |
| 21:02.37 | jelly-home | !tell Bittarman about bpo |
| 21:02.54 | Bittarman | now that is an awsome bot :> |
| 21:03.19 | jelly-home | give it a botsnack! |
| 21:03.58 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Would you be offended if I told you to read the manpage for apt.conf? |
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| 21:04.21 | jok3r | jhutchins, not at all, i've been there and must have missed something if there's an arch directive |
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| 21:04.44 | Phil | bah |
| 21:04.52 | Phil | well apparently adding that to fstab didn't help |
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| 21:05.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | Wich packets do I need to install on debian for japanese fonts? |
| 21:05.25 | nsadmin | I say: If you're being helped here and you're not paying for support, THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS these people are here volunteering to help you. |
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| 21:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: / to search |
| 21:05.56 | Phil | anyone else have any ideas? |
| 21:06.03 | jok3r | jhutchins, i found it -_- |
| 21:06.05 | jok3r | thanks |
| 21:06.17 | nsadmin | the worth of the help you;re getting is OVER $150/hour. |
| 21:06.42 | jelly-home | Phil: inspect the state of mounted systems and processes when the system boots up. |
| 21:06.58 | Phil | jelly, I don't have physical access |
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| 21:07.24 | ePax | I used one howto on installing chrooted ssh on to my server but weh i try to login as chrooted user i'm getting error.. "could not find users UID.. connection closed" Anyone know what the problem is? |
| 21:07.39 | jelly-home | Phil: but you're able to reboot from a recovery image and mount your system, right? |
| 21:07.50 | Phil | jelly, yes |
| 21:07.54 | jelly-home | Phil: so put some of that in an init script. |
| 21:07.57 | jelly-home | !rc.local |
| 21:07.57 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 21:08.15 | Phil | alright |
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| 21:08.52 | jelly-home | Phil: cat /proc/mounts, df -k, ls -l /dev/ /dev/pts, ps auxwww, whatever you think might be interesting. |
| 21:09.07 | Phil | I'll get it to e-mail it to me |
| 21:09.24 | jelly-home | you could output to a file, then reboot and see the contents |
| 21:09.30 | Phil | or that |
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| 21:09.54 | jelly-home | debsums openssh-server, perhaps |
| 21:10.07 | Bittarman | botsnacks? |
| 21:10.13 | jelly-home | dpkg: botsnack |
| 21:10.13 | dpkg | thanks, jelly-home |
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| 21:11.11 | Bittarman | lol |
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| 21:14.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | ããã«ã¡ãï¼ |
| 21:14.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Japanese Fonts work now, yeah! |
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| 21:15.33 | Acony | how to delete a dir with files and folders in it ? |
| 21:15.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | Acony: rm -r |
| 21:16.52 | bdheeman | KaffeeJunky123: ã¯ã¦! ããã¯å¤§ãã |
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| 21:17.27 | Acony | KaffeeJunky123, nope, I don't whant to be asked for each file |
| 21:17.52 | daffidity | Acony: rm -r -f |
| 21:17.54 | dkr | Acony: rm -rf |
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| 21:18.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | bdheeman: I still need to practise a lot to read japanese properly :) |
| 21:18.50 | bdheeman | oh |
| 21:18.51 | Acony | thanks, people |
| 21:19.14 | jelly-home | Acony: you won't be asked for each file with rm -r _if_ the permissions allow it, _and_ you don't have a weird alias in place of real rm |
| 21:19.15 | Acony | one more thing |
| 21:19.47 | Acony | I learned to use tar xvfz file.tar.gz |
| 21:19.48 | dkr | oh yeah, some distros default rm to be aliased to rm -i |
| 21:19.51 | jelly-home | many a people have done a careless rm -rf and then CRIED |
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| 21:20.07 | Acony | but I don't know what xvfz mean, can u explain me to get the point :D |
| 21:20.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Acony: type man tar |
| 21:20.18 | dkr | Acony: do you know what a man page is? |
| 21:20.19 | bdheeman | KaffeeJunky123: That was a machine translation (babelfish) for, "Wow! that's great" |
| 21:20.24 | Acony | dkr yeap |
| 21:20.40 | jelly-home | !grounding |
| 21:20.40 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 21:21.00 | daffidity | thinks a babelfish bot would be great |
| 21:21.07 | jelly-home | Acony: please peruse some of the /msg dpkg unix lessons |
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| 21:21.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | bdheeman: do you know a good japanese dictonary in the debian lenny repos? |
| 21:21.50 | Acony | jelly-home, will :) I use linux for 2 year belived or not, but since I am a developer I don't know a lot :D |
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| 21:22.16 | ePax | How do i chroot ssh users? |
| 21:22.25 | bdheeman | daffidity: I have a bablefish perl plugin for pidgin, but still an alpha as yet |
| 21:22.32 | ePax | On Debian Lenny. |
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| 21:23.34 | daffidity | bdheeman: may I see the package / source ? (assuming it is open source :-p) |
| 21:24.14 | jelly-home | Acony: tar x, x is the command, other letters are options for that command. v is for verbosity, z iz to handle gzip compressed archives, and f /file/name specifies the archive file name. Other two options don't take parameters, so the file name is implicitely used with f |
| 21:24.17 | bdheeman | KaffeeJunky123: http://www.freejapaneselessons.com/ and http://www.studyjapanese.org/ |
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| 21:24.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | bdheeman: thanks |
| 21:25.06 | bdheeman | KaffeeJunky123: you're welcome :) |
| 21:26.09 | Acony | jelly-home, thats detail info, thanks but I am studying manual sinc the tar have a lot options |
| 21:26.24 | bdheeman | daffidity: Source is on the way ... |
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| 21:26.46 | daffidity | bdheeman: cheers |
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| 21:27.25 | Acony | and when I am asking stupid questions, how can I prevent creation of "temp files" like file.java~ |
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| 21:28.24 | Phurl_ | hey, can I remove the kenel image from my chroot install? |
| 21:28.46 | Phurl_ | i have a 4gb chroot on a etx loopback filesystem on a fat partition |
| 21:28.52 | Phurl_ | and i need to make space |
| 21:28.56 | Phurl_ | how can I do that? |
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| 21:29.27 | bdheeman | daffidity: could not make work it for latest pidgin and, or improve, I wish, I could write that in C/C++ |
| 21:31.30 | daffidity | bdheeman: Should really be on offtopic here. I have the latest pidgin unfortunately. Interesting idea. I hope it works. Then put a bot on #debian so we can understand the japanese. |
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| 21:32.25 | bdheeman | daffidity: that's a nice idea |
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| 21:41.42 | zp | hi, how do I do correctly the following (in a bash script): cat $targetsDir/${targetsFile[index]} ? I get: syntax error near unexpected token `cat' |
| 21:42.13 | jelly-home | zp: ask in #bash? |
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| 21:43.38 | Bierjunky123 | bash script is strange |
| 21:44.37 | abrotman | compared to what? |
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| 21:44.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | compared to any programming language I know :O |
| 21:45.19 | abrotman | so .. maybe you work with strange languages ... |
| 21:45.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | ending an if block with fi seems so strange to me, but well I'm used to C syntax |
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| 21:45.52 | daffidity | meh. indentation. python all the way |
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| 21:46.30 | Phurl_ | what is the smallest chroot |
| 21:46.33 | Phurl_ | for debian? |
| 21:46.46 | wald0 | im not sure how much OT is this question but im searching a generator of statistics, like graphviz for schemas |
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| 21:46.55 | theZagnut | python source files get messy |
| 21:47.08 | theZagnut | imho |
| 21:47.10 | p3rror | please i'm looking for a not expensive appliance |
| 21:47.20 | p3rror | do you have any idea |
| 21:48.07 | abrotman | p3rror: a) you left out all details b) try ##hardware |
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| 21:48.21 | SimManiac | hi |
| 21:48.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | theZagnut: all source files can get messy, if the wrong persons are writing it :) |
| 21:48.28 | p3rror | yep thanks abrotman |
| 21:49.20 | theZagnut | KaffeeJuny123: Yes, some it is just easier in some languages than others |
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| 21:50.36 | jok3r | jhutchins_lt, so it works, well, it sort of works, trying to get two separate dpkg/apt's running in isolation is super funky, and i may have just overwritten my powerpc files with i386 |
| 21:50.39 | jok3r | lol |
| 21:50.45 | jok3r | anyways, more on this wednesday, cheers |
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| 21:51.35 | wald0 | anything for generate statistics ? |
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| 21:53.16 | abrotman | wald0: really .. that's all you're going to give us? |
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| 21:53.35 | wald0 | abrotman: im searching a generator of statistics, like graphviz for schemas |
| 21:54.15 | Beaver | www.search2.net (new search engine) |
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| 21:54.36 | Cueball | Hey all. Anyone use centerim from the repo? |
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| 21:54.54 | abrotman | Cueball: please ask the real question (personally i've used finch and liked it) |
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| 21:55.07 | aibo | hi, I need to set ulimit -a to a 10240 value permanently, I set '* soft nofile 10240' and '* hard nofile 10240' in /etc/security/limits.conf, but after reboot max opened files limit still 1024, what can be wrong? |
| 21:56.00 | wald0 | abrotman: i have tried with apt-cache search but i have not found anything, i dont believe that there's not anything for that. Maybe im a bit OT ? |
| 21:56.40 | Cueball | abrotman: Was just wondering if YIM and MSN was broke or weather it's me. |
| 21:56.43 | abrotman | wald0: there is a small ##statistics |
| 21:57.04 | abrotman | Cueball: which version of centerim .. i know that yahoo/msn have changed some stuff .. you might want to try finch from backports.org |
| 21:57.18 | nooper | aibo: make sure the value you want is smaller than `cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max` |
| 21:57.42 | Cueball | abrotman: I'll go try Finch. Just compiling the new centerim too. |
| 21:58.13 | aibo | nooper, it's really less |
| 21:58.47 | abrotman | wald0: there is a larger ##maths IIRC |
| 21:59.02 | wald0 | ok thx |
| 21:59.16 | nooper | dunno then |
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| 22:02.34 | aibo | nooper, where can I ask excluding this channel? |
| 22:03.13 | jelly-home | aibo: "after reboot max opened files limit still 1024" for which user? Which process? |
| 22:03.37 | nooper | aibo: dont know, but according to http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=69239 you can also modify /etc/profile to increase the limit |
| 22:03.56 | aibo | jelly, i set '* soft/hard nofile 10240', so it's for all users and all processes |
| 22:03.59 | jelly-home | aibo: /etc/security/limits.conf is a config file for pam_limits PAM module. Thus, services not using pam won't benefit |
| 22:04.14 | jelly-home | aibo: it's _not_ for all processes |
| 22:05.01 | jelly-home | (man limits.conf says so, implicitly) |
| 22:05.12 | aibo | okay |
| 22:05.30 | aibo | thank you, going to bed, bye :) |
| 22:05.37 | aibo | nooper, than you too :0 |
| 22:05.49 | jelly-home | aibo: so if you eg. wanted apache to have an increased number of fds available, you'd put some ulimit in its init script |
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| 22:06.12 | lubosz | hi. how do i list packages which are newer than those in the repository? |
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| 22:35.08 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:36.40 | herman_ | why |
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| 22:38.51 | simonrvn | because it's a typo |
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| 22:53.26 | elik | Anyone else have had issues with Amarok losing all collection songs? |
| 22:55.10 | herman_ | Babilen, I am up and running again |
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| 22:57.09 | jbardin | hello all |
| 22:57.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | elik: I had problems with amarok messing up my whole musik collection |
| 22:57.33 | jbardin | if I am declaring environment variables on my command line, how do I get them to "pass through" into a sudo session |
| 22:57.35 | jbardin | ? |
| 22:57.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | elik: I don't think that this problems are debian related, I was on ubuntu back than |
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| 22:57.47 | jbardin | WANGCHUNG=tonite sudo sh testenv.sh ... should echo "tonite" |
| 22:58.16 | elik | KaffeeJunky123, no, probably not, was just wondering. I'm of the opinion it all went downhill from 1.4... so sad, cause I loved it back then |
| 22:58.58 | elik | jbardin, you need to export it |
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| 22:59.43 | jbardin | ... export WANGCHUNG=tonite && sudo sh testenv.sh ... still no dice |
| 22:59.52 | wols | jbardin: man sudo |
| 22:59.54 | jbardin | i am getting into the docs now, it looks like sudo might be filtering stuff |
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| 23:09.58 | ugly | when I close the lid on my dell laptop, the screen shuts off properly, but upon opening it, there's nothing I can do to get to turn on again. I'm using the testing branch, gnome, and kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686 - any idea what's going on? |
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| 23:49.09 | kingsley | Are there any options for running MS Windows applications without installing windows besides wine? |
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| 23:52.47 | nsadmin | kingsley: -perhaps- an additional source of info is #windows and/or #wine |
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| 23:55.36 | jelly-home | kingsley: do the commercial, supported builds of win fall into the wine category? |
| 23:56.08 | jelly-home | s/win/wine/ |
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