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| 00:03.38 | knightsilver | good morning #debian, my question is : How much space would I need for a very minimal debian install, such as if i wanted to put it on a little sd memory card? |
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| 00:07.00 | jpinx-eeepc | knightsilver: morning??? - it's 7p.m. here;) A basic install takes about 1Gb |
| 00:07.27 | jpinx-eeepc | knightsilver: you can get it a lot smaller - I have a live SD card of 256Mbs |
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| 00:07.39 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:07.45 | knightsilver | TrueDD, good night |
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| 00:07.50 | jpinx-eeepc | TrueDD: g'morning |
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| 00:07.56 | guggero | hi |
| 00:08.03 | knightsilver | jpinx-eeepc, does it take a lot of planning to get it smaller, ? |
| 00:08.27 | jpinx-eeepc | knightsilver: not a lot, but you need to know what you're doing |
| 00:08.49 | TrueDD | good night knightsilver |
| 00:09.00 | jpinx-eeepc | knightsilver: if you skip X - that's a big reduction already ;) |
| 00:09.01 | TrueDD | good morning jpinx-eeepc |
| 00:10.08 | jpinx-eeepc | knightsilver: the live SD has full X and lxde desktop all inside 256Mbs, but that is a live system on a suashed filesystem |
| 00:12.05 | nervousTwitch | i just needed to update a bios which required a fat16 formatted usb key i stuck the usb key in one machine gparted had no fat format options available the other let me format just about any way i wanted including fat 32 and 16 what do i need to do to make the other machine do the same? |
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| 00:13.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nervousTwitch: you want to try re-phrasing that - it doesn't parse |
| 00:14.51 | petemc | nervousTwitch: perhaps you need dosfstools insatlled |
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| 00:18.29 | nervousTwitch | checking aptitude for dosfstools |
| 00:18.50 | nervousTwitch | and sir i thank you |
| 00:18.57 | nervousTwitch | missing dosfstools |
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| 00:29.41 | spldart | Is there anything I can do about some appy called yiff from sucking so much cpu? |
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| 00:33.35 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: I don't use yiff - but it appears to be a sound server, so start by reducing what is processing. Have you looked at it in top? |
| 00:34.10 | spldart | Yeah... I was looking at it in htop. Apparently that's the default sound server now? |
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| 00:34.38 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: don't think so |
| 00:34.41 | spldart | It starts pulling 3.3% up to 13% and back down over and over from a fresh boot. |
| 00:34.51 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions yiff |
| 00:34.52 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'yiff' was found. |
| 00:34.58 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions yiff-server |
| 00:35.00 | judd | yiff-server -- etch: 2.14.5-2; lenny: 2.14.5-5; sid: 2.14.5-7; squeeze: 2.14.5-7 |
| 00:35.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !yiff |
| 00:35.17 | dpkg | well, yiff is the Y sound server - from apt-cache show, " a network based and multi client connection system that supports X Window Systems style event and client handling". See http://wolfpack.tmu.edu/YIFF for details. See also <xyiff> for a game. |
| 00:35.21 | spldart | I wonder how I got stuck with this cpu pig |
| 00:35.52 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: if it is not critical - purge it - you can always re-install |
| 00:36.10 | spldart | hrm. |
| 00:36.13 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: I uas alsa - it was the default in lenny |
| 00:36.19 | jpinx-eeepc | *use |
| 00:36.23 | spldart | I guess I will hafta look into that... |
| 00:36.32 | spldart | Ah.. that is what I'm used to. Alsa |
| 00:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: *have to..... |
| 00:36.51 | spldart | afta |
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| 00:42.30 | spldart | Thanks |
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| 00:47.17 | icebrain | is there any graphical directory size viewer, with subdirectory navigation support? |
| 00:48.58 | adb | file:///home/icebrain |
| 00:49.41 | babilen_zzz | icebrain: baobab comes to mind - not sure if it fits your needs though |
| 00:49.46 | icebrain | adb: I meant with charts or so |
| 00:49.54 | icebrain | babilen: ok, will try, thanks |
| 00:51.31 | icebrain | babilen: yes, the treemaps seem exactly what I need |
| 00:51.38 | babilen | icebrain: great :) |
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| 00:56.36 | jpinx-eeepc | is it me or has gam_server started to mis-behave since the last upgrade? |
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| 00:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | it's munching cpu like mad - 15% on occasions, and I don't run gnome :| |
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| 01:00.13 | squisher | jpinx-eeepc, gam_server seem pretty quiet here on sid. And what does that have to do with gnome? |
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| 01:02.47 | jpinx-eeepc | squisher: quite - I just been reading more ;) I can make it come and go according to what I am doing with files, but it is certainly much busier now than it was pre-upgrade |
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| 01:19.00 | meder | hey |
| 01:19.09 | meder | if my sources.list is vanilla lenny, and i add deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian unstable main at the bottom |
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| 01:19.16 | meder | how does that workout? |
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| 01:19.39 | petemc | badly |
| 01:20.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !mixed |
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| 01:20.53 | meder | petemc: can you explain |
| 01:21.03 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: it's not defined, gave me "I give up, what is it?" in /msg |
| 01:21.05 | meder | like for example, i wanted python 2.6 so i added that |
| 01:21.06 | petemc | meder: things will break, use backports |
| 01:21.10 | meder | should i have just added backports? |
| 01:21.11 | meder | oh |
| 01:21.46 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: I know there's a factoid telling people they are dumb to mix - but I can't remember the name of it |
| 01:22.07 | meder | petemc: can you give a specific example |
| 01:22.08 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, I was trying to get it too |
| 01:22.12 | meder | of how it can break |
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| 01:23.03 | anao | hello@all does anyone know the console-kit-daemon bug? up to 60 threads |
| 01:23.44 | jpinx-eeepc | pokes around in dpkg with a garden fork |
| 01:24.20 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: there is a "mixed system" |
| 01:24.31 | icebrain | found it using listkeys |
| 01:26.05 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: nah - there was something more akin to a blunt weapon ;) |
| 01:26.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !mixed system |
| 01:26.19 | dpkg | somebody said mixed system was Read section 3.8 "How to keep a mixed system" of the APT HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ (nb. this document is obsolete, ask me about <reference>). Make sure you know the various different ways this can go wrong and remember: if you break it, you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 01:26.31 | jpinx-eeepc | doesn't have enough teeth/sarcasm |
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| 01:27.17 | sebastian_ | hai all |
| 01:27.38 | sebastian_ | what is the best way to make a drive in a server to be encrypted? |
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| 01:27.47 | jpinx-eeepc | good evening brazil |
| 01:27.55 | sebastian_ | :) |
| 01:28.05 | jpinx-eeepc | from Peru ;) |
| 01:28.13 | sebastian_ | jeje |
| 01:28.28 | sebastian_ | por aca son las 22:27 |
| 01:29.04 | jpinx-eeepc | here it is 20:29 and we speak english ;) |
| 01:29.39 | sebastian_ | ah peru is earlier, sure |
| 01:29.53 | icebrain | 01:29 here :( |
| 01:30.23 | jpinx-eeepc | sebastian_: soory - no clue about encryption |
| 01:30.31 | sebastian_ | hey, I need to use a disk for database storage but we want that to write-read encrypted what would you guys recommend? |
| 01:30.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !encryption |
| 01:30.37 | anao | here 02:30 deep cold night... |
| 01:30.59 | sebastian_ | I'm seeing a lot of options |
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| 01:34.08 | daishadar | lsusb is showing a device that is no longer connected to my laptop, and that device is preventing suspend. is there a way to forcibly remove the device (like via /sys)? |
| 01:34.34 | sebastian_ | I'll continue reading, later all |
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| 01:35.17 | anao | one question how near is squeeze at ubuntu 9.10?? |
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| 01:36.09 | macrobat | anao: idk, compare the versions for libc6 or something |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | anao: why does it matter? |
| 01:36.57 | macrobat | dont mix them, thats how randall munroe trashed his laptop |
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| 01:37.17 | anao | i try to understand the different ways between ubuntu and debian |
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| 01:37.45 | abrotman | anao: you're going to have to ask a better question that that .. they're different distros .. |
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| 01:39.22 | anao | yes their different, but why does ubuntu goes more own ways? advantages? in my eyes ubuntu is always "testing" |
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| 01:42.57 | icebrain | anao: Ubuntu is not testing. They use Debian's "backbone" but they have some differences. One is the non-compliance with the DFSG |
| 01:43.54 | icebrain | they're happy autoinstalling closed-source drivers, for example |
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| 01:44.29 | icebrain | they also use upstart |
| 01:45.08 | icebrain | it's essentially a different distro, not just a testing flavor |
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| 01:46.26 | abrotman | anao: this channel is for support, not distro comparison |
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| 01:47.15 | anao | ok guys thanks for your replies |
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| 01:51.55 | JoshH | apache have some kind of ip based vhost limit it can handle? i'm trying to setup a box with around 1k ip's and vhosts, and apache children are segfaulting for some reason. |
| 01:52.06 | JoshH | i have enough file descriptors and stuff |
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| 01:53.06 | abrotman | JoshH: ask #httpd |
| 01:53.06 | JoshH | box worked fine with only about 60 on it |
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| 02:04.01 | dagobart | Is it possible to have KDE4 from testing but nothing else, so no dependencies would mess up? |
| 02:04.28 | dagobart | IIRC, the last time I mixed testing with stable was Sarge/Etch, so I'm not quite uptodate anymore.. |
| 02:04.44 | abrotman | dagobart: it's not recommended |
| 02:04.58 | dagobart | abrotman: sure, but if I need it? |
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| 02:06.10 | dagobart | then how would I do that mix? |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | dagobart: i wouldn't recommend it |
| 02:06.35 | dagobart | abrotman: yes, I got that |
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| 02:07.27 | abrotman | dagobart: i'd go to #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net and ask if they have a backport available |
| 02:07.37 | dagobart | thank you |
| 02:07.41 | dagobart | :) |
| 02:07.46 | abrotman | dagobart: but i think they stopped maintaining it |
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| 02:08.59 | qiyong | how do I select locales to generate? |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | qiyong: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 02:09.34 | qiyong | abrotman, that only generates all utf-8's |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | it generates what you tell it to |
| 02:09.54 | qiyong | abrotman, i want to select a subset to generate, not to generate all |
| 02:10.11 | abrotman | so tick off the ones you want, and let it generate them |
| 02:11.08 | qiyong | abrotman, my needs is not generated |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | qiyong: dpkg -l locales .. what is the version |
| 02:11.33 | qiyong | 2.9+git2009061 |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | qiyong: please go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 02:12.43 | dagobart | totally different question: is there a simple way to get door-knocking into a Debian stable box? |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | port knocking ? |
| 02:12.59 | dagobart | ah, yes |
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| 02:13.29 | abrotman | dagobart: that might help your search terms .. i think the common method is knockd |
| 02:14.46 | dagobart | abrotman: thanks for the pointer |
| 02:15.25 | dagobart | ...and #debian-kde seems to be asleep. ;-) |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 02:16.02 | abrotman | they may get that question a lot .. not really sure |
| 02:16.06 | dagobart | abrotman: yes. Lots of people there, but no traffic |
| 02:16.44 | dagobart | I just came up with the idea to put that KDE4 into the cloud for a moment... hence the knockd question |
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| 02:19.01 | hideo | the cloud is the stupidest term du jour |
| 02:20.26 | dagobart | particularly as it mixes up the generally used cloud icon for the internet/insecure nets and cloud computing etc |
| 02:20.35 | dagobart | however, you got what I meant, didn't you? |
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| 02:21.16 | Anon338 | hi |
| 02:21.35 | Anon338 | anyone help me to change my nick? |
| 02:21.35 | hideo | ya |
| 02:21.49 | hideo | Anon338: /nick yournewnick |
| 02:22.03 | joan63 | ok thanks |
| 02:22.08 | hideo | np |
| 02:22.19 | adb | 63 ? too old .. |
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| 02:22.31 | joan63 | is just a number |
| 02:22.38 | joan63 | im 36 |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 02:23.46 | dagobart | adb: in fact, I think, debian should be optimized for the 63 yo people ... in 2030 |
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| 02:30.36 | dagobart | dropped in 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main' to my remote box... I wonder how that's going to wreck the sys :-) |
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| 02:33.56 | abrotman | badly .. enjoy the pieces |
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| 02:36.07 | dagobart | abrotman: thanks for your good wishes ;-) |
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| 02:37.59 | dagobart | abrotman: I'll iron it over if it totally breaks, so no real issues here |
| 02:38.31 | abrotman | would like to see someone iron a HDD |
| 02:39.33 | dagobart | abrotman: well, I guess that 'box' doesn't have its own hdd |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | cute .. |
| 02:39.57 | dagobart | hey, it's a virtual box |
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| 03:10.21 | mrvdv | Just wondering, i burnt a normal cd of the debian distro but it cant mount the cd rom even though it boots the installation off |
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| 03:22.47 | hghgd | my debian system fails at utf8, and it's not a locales issue, i checked, actually I have utf9 in xterm but not in gnome-terminal or firefox :| |
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| 03:23.24 | abrotman | firefox or iceweasel ? |
| 03:23.31 | hghgd | iceweasel, yes |
| 03:23.32 | abrotman | i'd imagine it's a fonts issue |
| 03:23.34 | hghgd | my bad |
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| 03:25.26 | hghgd | hm seems likely, yes |
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| 03:55.33 | hardbop200 | hey all - I'm curious about everyone's opinion on sudo. it sure it easy to have it (single-user system), but if you still have a root pwd, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose? |
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| 03:57.59 | macrobat | hardbop200: i think there was a debate on that on forums.debian.net |
| 03:58.57 | hardbop200 | macrobat: at the very least it would make sense to 'pull an ubuntu' and lock the root acct. thoughts? |
| 03:59.16 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:59.26 | macrobat | sudo can be set up so that certain users get permissions to do certain things. like shutdown without being root |
| 04:00.06 | Tramp | for people who can't distinguish between "$" and "#" |
| 04:00.08 | macrobat | hmm, bad wording |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | Tramp: that's not nice :) |
| 04:01.04 | Tramp | it's the only reason that I can think of .... :) |
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| 04:01.12 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:01.25 | hardbop200 | I'm just curious about it all... |
| 04:01.27 | karlpinc | And of course if you give a user sudo access then once the user's account gets cracked the cracker has root as well. |
| 04:01.57 | macrobat | and you can set sudo timeout to 0. and if you read the visodu manual you learn some ebnf |
| 04:02.51 | macrobat | (which is beyond me) |
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| 04:03.13 | Tramp | yeah. sudoers has the weirdest syntax known to man |
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| 04:05.00 | macrobat | bnf. you describe grammars with it |
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| 04:13.20 | sloopy | CutMeOwnThroat, this is off limits too... |
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| 04:21.06 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: you can restrict what a sudo user can do - man visudo ;) |
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| 04:35.31 | llua | is anyone else having this problem with compiz with debian testing after the last update? |
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| 05:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | the people who wrote about it in the bug tracking system? |
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| 05:07.25 | SerajewelKS | llua: "this problem" is incredibly ambiguous and is not useful information |
| 05:08.26 | llua | SerajewelKS, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg758903.html |
| 05:09.31 | SerajewelKS | llua: i would assume that anyone who installed that new version is having that problem |
| 05:09.34 | Click170 | Hey, I rebooted my debian machine recently and when it came back up, it was missing an interface. I looked in lshw and it said it was 'DISABLED'. Any idea why or how to fix it? |
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| 05:09.49 | wols_ | Click170: which interface? |
| 05:10.12 | SerajewelKS | llua: but i'm not sure how the answer to "is anyone else having this problem?" is going to help you get your system working |
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| 05:11.09 | Click170 | Etho and eth1 |
| 05:11.10 | llua | SerajewelKS, you dont have to. i was just asking |
| 05:11.49 | SerajewelKS | llua: you may still have the old .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 05:12.15 | wols_ | Click170: do any other network interfaces exist, like eth2? (ifconfig -a). what chips do eth0 and eth1 use? |
| 05:12.37 | wols_ | !tell llua about anyone |
| 05:13.04 | Click170 | At first I thought it was dead hardware and tried swapping out that nic but the next one I put in was disabled too, and when I put the original back in, the second nic became disabled |
| 05:13.18 | wols_ | !tell Click170 about 70 |
| 05:14.21 | SerajewelKS | llua: if you don't then you're SOL until an updated package makes it into squeeze |
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| 05:16.45 | Click170 | Thanks but it didn't seem to mention re-enabling disabled network cards? Or did I miss something? |
| 05:17.51 | wols_ | you miss my questions. until you answer them: have a nice day |
| 05:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | llua, use the bts, not the mail archives... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573095 |
| 05:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 05:18.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 05:19.15 | Click170 | Oh sorry didn't see them. Trying to irc from iPhone, it's painfull. There are 3 nics in the system. |
| 05:20.31 | Gr33n3gg | Click170: What IRC client are you using? |
| 05:21.35 | Click170 | Two are dlink dge-530t, one if them is disabled. The other is vt6105/vt6016s ... Looking up chip info |
| 05:22.03 | wols_ | don't bother. what does ifconfig say? what does your kernel log say? dmesg|grep eth |
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| 05:22.50 | Click170 | Using the freenode web client |
| 05:23.15 | Gr33n3gg | Ah |
| 05:23.28 | Click170 | Ifconfig only shows the one functioning if |
| 05:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in dmesg if there's a message telling you why it was disabled |
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| 05:30.36 | Click170 | Looking in dmesg nothing stands out. Nothing about either of the disabled ifs, though there was a line mentioning bringing up eth1. Checking syslog. |
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| 05:42.32 | Click170 | Syslog doesn't seem to have anything noteworthy, it looks like it loads drivers for the disabled nics but it never keeps going to bring the if up and broadcast for dhcp |
| 05:42.36 | karter | hi people, I get LT_INIT command not found when I try to run ./configure any ideas ? |
| 05:42.51 | karter | libtools is installed and the latest - per apt-get (running lenny) |
| 05:43.05 | wols_ | check the log of it |
| 05:43.14 | karter | check the log of what? |
| 05:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can you bring it up? Either with ifup or directly with ifconfig? |
| 05:43.23 | wols_ | of your configure script |
| 05:43.43 | karter | it doesn't understand the macro |
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| 05:43.56 | karter | lt_INIT which is part of libtools |
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| 05:45.33 | adb | karter, wrong channel |
| 05:45.52 | karter | where should I ask ? |
| 05:46.01 | mrvdv | im trying to install mysql/php and it says broken packages when im trying to do apt-get install mysql-server. what do i do |
| 05:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "libtool" and I don't see anything like that in there |
| 05:46.19 | wols_ | mrvdv: you pastebin the full error |
| 05:46.35 | mrvdv | where do i go to pastebin it |
| 05:46.38 | wols_ | karter: what are you trying to compile? |
| 05:46.39 | wols_ | !paste |
| 05:46.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 05:47.14 | mrvdv | http://paste.debian.net/63276 |
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| 05:48.52 | karter | wols_: mysql 5.1 |
| 05:49.01 | karter | with sphinx |
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| 05:49.28 | wols_ | ,versions mysql-server |
| 05:49.29 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3; squeeze: 5.1.41-3; lenny-backports: 5.1.43-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.43-1; sid: 5.1.44-2; sid: 5.1.44-3 |
| 05:49.48 | mrvdv | so how do i have it installed |
| 05:49.50 | mrvdv | just the basic one |
| 05:49.54 | wols_ | karter: as you can see it's in backports already |
| 05:50.24 | wols_ | karter: which means you can get the source and compile it to make a shiny debian package including build dependencies. do that |
| 05:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just use the package itself if he just wanted the version... |
| 05:51.07 | wols_ | mrvdv: what debian version is this? |
| 05:51.10 | karter | wols_: ok ; when I try that it doesn't give me the right version |
| 05:51.32 | karter | the other thing is I have to compile from source cuz of sphinx |
| 05:51.50 | wols_ | karter: how so? you want 5.1, it is 5.1, also you can deal with build-deps that way |
| 05:52.03 | mrvdv | v5.0.4 |
| 05:52.55 | wols_ | mrvdv: apt-cache policy php5-mcrypt |
| 05:53.06 | karter | I don' t understand the inticacies of debian, but when I do a "apt-cache search mysql-server" the only thing that comes back is with 5.0.4 and that's the only version that will install / download sources for |
| 05:53.13 | wols_ | mrvdv: and use aptitude |
| 05:53.17 | karter | do I have to point it to a different package server ? |
| 05:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | would that be the sphinx as in "sphinx2-bin"/"libsphinx2g0" or as in sphinxsearch or as in sphinxsearch |
| 05:53.26 | wols_ | !tell karter about backports |
| 05:53.31 | mrvdv | ah ok thats a lil better wols_ :L) |
| 05:53.55 | karter | cutmeownthroat: yes |
| 05:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or neither :) |
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| 05:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was an either-or question - "yes" is not a valid answer |
| 05:54.24 | karter | sphinxsearch |
| 05:54.33 | wols_ | ,versions sphinxsearch |
| 05:54.34 | judd | sphinxsearch -- squeeze: 0.9.8.1-2; sid: 0.9.9-4 |
| 05:54.47 | wols_ | !tell karter about ssb |
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| 05:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why you have to compile mysql for that from the package |
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| 05:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not as simple... it needs libpq5 >8.4 |
| 05:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and lenny has 8.3.9 |
| 05:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions libpq5 |
| 05:57.08 | judd | libpq5 -- etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.2-2+b1; squeeze: 8.4.2-2+b1 |
| 05:57.25 | karter | guys thanks for the tutorials etc., what do I have to do - i clicked on the links - don't completely understand what to do with the backports - do I have to add those to sources.list ? |
| 05:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | for mysql: yes |
| 05:57.48 | wols_ | karter: backports.org. see instructions |
| 05:57.57 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the libpq5 thing is in bpo too |
| 05:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right - funny, didn't see that on my local madison... |
| 05:58.27 | mrvdv | so wols_, how to have mysql installed? |
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| 05:58.38 | karter | ah ok..cool |
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| 05:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, you are confusing me |
| 05:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you both ask about mysql |
| 05:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and my damn client colors both your nicks red |
| 05:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's too much for an old man |
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| 05:59.55 | wols_ | mrvdv: you don't answer my questions, I don't answer yours. fair trade |
| 06:00.06 | mrvdv | what question. |
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| 06:00.30 | wols_ | ,versions php5-mcrypt |
| 06:00.31 | judd | php5-mcrypt -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 06:01.33 | mrvdv | keeps going on about broken packages |
| 06:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions php4-mcrypt |
| 06:01.36 | judd | php4-mcrypt -- etch: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6; etch-security: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 |
| 06:01.58 | karter | guys, I can't understand how you say I don't have to recompile / nor am I able to find this package you refer to (sphinxsearch) - i added backports thing to soucres.list and did an apt-get update |
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| 06:02.13 | karter | http://sphinxsearch.com/ that's the one |
| 06:02.19 | codefest_10 | We invite you to be a part of the Largest Online Coding festival in the Indian Subcontinent.[ http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest ] |
| 06:02.29 | codefest_10 | Sit right in front of your systems and take part in challenging and mind boggling competitions on application development, algorithm design etc. |
| 06:02.37 | wols_ | !ops codefest_10 is a spammer |
| 06:02.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: codefest_10 is a spammer |
| 06:02.38 | codefest_10 | PS:Attractive Prizes.Adobe & BT certificates. |
| 06:02.59 | codefest_10 | spammer???? |
| 06:03.29 | wols_ | yes you are fucking asshole spammer. and now stop and disconnect |
| 06:03.40 | mrvdv | lol |
| 06:04.00 | codefest_10 | its not] |
| 06:04.04 | codefest_10 | jus try it |
| 06:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, you don't have to recompile mysql, you can have that from backports. you can get libpq5 from backports, too (which is needed for that search thingy), but you have to recompile sphinxsearch - from the package in testing (see the ssb factoid dpkg told you) |
| 06:04.15 | mrvdv | so wols_, im a little confused with what you are trying to mean |
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| 06:04.19 | codefest_10 | u son of a bitch |
| 06:04.26 | adb | !ops codefest_10 |
| 06:04.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: codefest_10 |
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| 06:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me translate what wals said... ah, too late |
| 06:04.44 | karter | recompile "sphinxsearch" you mean compile ? |
| 06:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's compiled for squeeze, but you run lenny |
| 06:05.06 | wols_ | we mean backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you get mysql 5.1 from backports first (as well as libpq5), then read the ssb factoid again |
| 06:06.17 | wols_ | karter: mysql-server already has a backport existing for 5.1 for lenny. for sphinxsearch you have to create the backport yourself as described in /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and libpq5-dev, I guess) |
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| 06:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no such thing as libpq5-dev |
| 06:06.35 | mrvdv | any package i try and do saids it broken |
| 06:07.09 | karter | ok |
| 06:07.10 | wols_ | mrvdv: what is in your sources.list? |
| 06:07.22 | mrvdv | how do i see that |
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| 06:07.28 | wols_ | by lookint into the file |
| 06:07.34 | wols_ | *looking |
| 06:07.46 | mrvdv | yeah but how do i view the file ? |
| 06:07.53 | SparFux1 | Hi all. How come the debian-504-ia64-netinst.iso is missing a vmlinuz? How am I supposed to boot it? |
| 06:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "best seen with open eyes" |
| 06:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 06:08.09 | wols_ | mrvdv: if you don't know how to look at files: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 06:08.15 | karter | one last question on the backport - how do I specifiy the package name with the version ? |
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| 06:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:08.28 | SparFux1 | fkarter: packagename=version |
| 06:08.36 | wols_ | SparFux1: it is not. what processor you have? unless you have a itanium, this is the wrong installer |
| 06:08.55 | SparFux1 | wols_: I have an Intel Atom N450 |
| 06:08.56 | wols_ | karter: backports.org. read "instructions" |
| 06:09.09 | wols_ | SparFux1: you have the wrong installer. you need the amd64 installer |
| 06:09.11 | mrvdv | do you want me to pastebin? |
| 06:09.32 | SparFux1 | wols_: ah, thanks. strange to me as I thought intel64 was very different from amd64, but anyway. |
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| 06:09.37 | karter | i get the following error: E: Unable to find a source package for mysql-dfsg-5.1 |
| 06:09.51 | karter | when i do : apt-get build-dep mysql-server-5.1 |
| 06:09.51 | wols_ | karter: why do you need a source package? what for? |
| 06:10.12 | wols_ | ok, are the sources for squeeze (does backports have a source repo) in your sources.list? |
| 06:10.22 | karter | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.22 | karter | ut <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, you are confused. read what we wrote again. slowly |
| 06:10.56 | wols_ | karter: you do NOT want to build mysql-server |
| 06:11.00 | mrvdv | http://pastebin.ws/agddrp |
| 06:11.03 | wols_ | you simply install it |
| 06:11.08 | karter | ok |
| 06:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, I think I made things rather clear and I don't think further repitition will make it... |
| 06:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it did! |
| 06:11.17 | wols_ | karter: go to backports.orgr. read instructions |
| 06:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've only telling him that 3 times! |
| 06:11.23 | karter | ok |
| 06:11.36 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it's only 2 days after sunday! |
| 06:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:11.44 | karter | sometimes, instructions are not clear for mere mortals like me |
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| 06:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, 1 day, 11 minutes, here |
| 06:12.13 | karter | i got confused by the dpkg thing |
| 06:12.14 | wols_ | that'S why it's much worse for you than me |
| 06:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, "<CutMeOwnThroat> karter, you don't have to recompile mysql, you can have that from backports."? |
| 06:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | not clear? |
| 06:12.33 | karter | it is .. |
| 06:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 06:13.02 | mrvdv | did you see the pastebin? |
| 06:13.30 | wols_ | !tell mrvdv about mirrors |
| 06:13.53 | wols_ | mrvdv: you lack the debian repositories in your sources.list. this is why it's not working. you should have added them at the installation |
| 06:13.58 | wols_ | now you need to do it manually |
| 06:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so.. aptitude install mysql-server=5.1.43-1~bpo50+1 libpq5=8.4.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 06:14.25 | wols_ | !tell mrvdv about sources.list |
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| 06:14.32 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: don't forget the -t part |
| 06:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, I didn't |
| 06:14.54 | karter | ok guys, i read the instructions slowly and installed libpq5 and the mysql5.1 from backport |
| 06:14.57 | wols_ | ah, the bpo stuff. way way too much to type : |
| 06:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, ^^^^ |
| 06:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, ah, all right you got it :) |
| 06:15.47 | wols_ | karter: now you need to get sphinx. this one you have to compile |
| 06:16.04 | karter | how do I proceed with the sphnix thing ? - i did not understand: for sphinxsearch you have to create the backport yourself as described in /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:16.04 | wols_ | karter: by getting the sources from squeeze and following the ssb factoid |
| 06:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, -t release has been erratic - perhaps because the name has to match the name in your sources.list ("sid" != "unstable") or because of my pinning rules or because of something I didn't even think of |
| 06:16.30 | karter | how do I get it from squeeze ? is there instructions for that ? |
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| 06:17.02 | wols_ | replace "sid" or "unstable" with squeeze in that factoid |
| 06:17.02 | karter | i don't know what squeeze is (pardon my ignorance) |
| 06:17.14 | karter | ok |
| 06:17.27 | wols_ | squeeze is debian testing, which is a brancht of debian that has sphinx, unlike lenny which you currently run |
| 06:18.45 | mrvdv | how do i just install all packages cause i cant work out how to get the package on |
| 06:18.45 | karter | ic, so is that a different url in sources.list (with src line) |
| 06:19.03 | karter | www.squeeze.org ? |
| 06:19.15 | wols_ | no |
| 06:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, I think -t repo actually has to match... so -t sid is not the same as -t testing |
| 06:19.24 | wols_ | it's a different deb-src line yes |
| 06:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, the other factoid |
| 06:19.44 | wols_ | karter: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 06:19.57 | wols_ | but the ssb factoid talks about sid, we want to do it for squeeze |
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| 06:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, you installed mysql and libpq5, so you're done with that factoid (because sphinxsearch is not at backports.org - you'll have to compile that yourself) |
| 06:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I guess he could just install the squeeze version - at least it only depends on libc6 >2.2 |
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| 06:20.59 | karter | ok - but I want to integrate that sphinx with mysql - will this do that ? |
| 06:21.25 | wols_ | we don't know since we don't use sphinx |
| 06:21.25 | karter | i compiled and installed sphinx from source and it works - but it doesn't integrate with mysql.. |
| 06:22.00 | wols_ | ask someone knowledgeable about sphinx how to integrate it |
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| 06:22.23 | karter | which brings me back to my original question - can I compile mysql (gnu) in debian or is there more to it ? |
| 06:22.27 | wols_ | yes, debian sphinxsearch integrates with mysql. |
| 06:22.33 | wols_ | ,depends sphinxsearch |
| 06:22.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sphinxsearch' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 06:22.39 | wols_ | ,depends sphinxsearch squeeze |
| 06:22.41 | judd | sphinxsearch -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.2), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1), libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1). |
| 06:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmy |
| 06:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1), libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), |
| 06:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 06:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
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| 06:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 06:22.54 | wols_ | seel how sphinxsearch depends on libmysqlclient16? |
| 06:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek, newlines |
| 06:23.05 | wols_ | !lart CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:23.05 | dpkg | offers CutMeOwnThroat some herring |
| 06:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | must have resized that xterm... |
| 06:23.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | blushes |
| 06:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and eats his herring... |
| 06:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | is herring supposed to be green? |
| 06:24.16 | wols_ | points CutMeOwnThroat to #ot |
| 06:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would've been good had I not said "ah" in shock after the paste |
| 06:27.01 | karter | so guys will this thing work in debian ? http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.1/mysql-5.1.44-linux-i686-icc-glibc23.tar.gz/from/http://mysql.he.net/ |
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| 06:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | how the hell should we know? |
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| 06:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you try the stuff we told you, which is the cleanest and easiest... |
| 06:28.51 | mrvdv | to use or to get it karter |
| 06:28.55 | wols_ | karter: we do not support other people's like mysql.coms binaries |
| 06:28.56 | WormFood | karter, try it, and find out |
| 06:28.57 | mrvdv | i tried CutMeOwnThroat, im still confused |
| 06:29.20 | karter | cutmeownthroat: I do not know how to proceed with this squeeze thing |
| 06:29.22 | wols_ | mrvdv: no one was talking to you. fix your sources.list and your problems are gone |
| 06:29.36 | mrvdv | yeah but i still dont undertstand how to fix |
| 06:29.47 | wols_ | karter: which part are you stuck at. what have you _triedyourself_ so far? |
| 06:29.52 | karter | and i do not know how to include squeeze in the sources.list (if there is a url) |
| 06:30.05 | karter | eb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:30.12 | karter | that part |
| 06:30.23 | karter | i did the mysql server install from backports |
| 06:30.35 | karter | and the other package libpq* |
| 06:31.19 | mrvdv | can you pastebin me of what lines i should actually have there |
| 06:31.23 | wols_ | karter: deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 06:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | add "deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:31.32 | WormFood | why does iceweasel not work with pulseaudio in squeeze? |
| 06:31.37 | mrvdv | ok thank you CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:31.44 | wols_ | !tell WormFood about doesn't work |
| 06:31.47 | mrvdv | do i delete the other ones |
| 06:32.01 | wols_ | WormFood: and you run squeeze. you know yourself since you choose to run testing |
| 06:32.06 | wols_ | mrvdv: no |
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| 06:32.23 | mrvdv | do i need to reboot debian after i added that line ? |
| 06:32.35 | karter | great!! thanks - i'll try that |
| 06:32.38 | WormFood | I start iceweasel with padsp, and it just sits there at the command prompt...it appears to do nothing. |
| 06:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | generally: you need the security.debian.org one - you can remove the cdrom one, I guess - and you probably don't need the volatile one either |
| 06:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrvdv, ^^^ |
| 06:33.24 | WormFood | wols_, you're no help at all |
| 06:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an *ice* weasel... |
| 06:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it chills |
| 06:33.41 | WormFood | chills so much it is frozen |
| 06:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's one of the properties generally remarked on ice |
| 06:34.01 | mrvdv | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:34.02 | mrvdv | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.02 | mrvdv | E: Broken packages |
| 06:34.04 | mrvdv | stil says that stuff |
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| 06:34.18 | WormFood | pulseaudio is the biggest pains in my ass...I can't get anything to work with it now, except a very few apps |
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| 06:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | run "apt-get update"? |
| 06:35.26 | WormFood | is padsp broken on the latest updates or something? |
| 06:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, had you just changed sources.list from the factoid, you'd had read that bit, too |
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| 06:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, you know where to look that up, don't you? |
| 06:36.19 | karter | ok guys I did that , but it says dependencies not satisfied for sphinxsearch when i do apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 06:36.32 | karter | apt-get build-dep sphinxsearch |
| 06:36.51 | nervoustwitch | how could i have gotten a ubuntu software center? |
| 06:36.52 | WormFood | it seems the pulseaudio plugin in audacious is broken |
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| 06:37.06 | karter | should i just continue ? |
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| 06:37.25 | mrvdv | ok it just fetched updates from the internet |
| 06:37.32 | mrvdv | thtas better |
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| 06:38.07 | mrvdv | so CutMeOwnThroat, once that is done, how do i run it or make it so ppl can use it?? |
| 06:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 06:39.03 | wols_ | xa!tell mrvdv about grounding |
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| 06:39.47 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! all of my problems were caused because I used the pulseaudio output for audacious....which somehow grabs the sound device, so nothing else can use it. |
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| 06:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, no, "apt-cache showsrc sphinxsearch" - look at the "Build-Depends" - you need those (pick the version of the package you want). "dpkg -l debhelper" e.g. shows "ii" (it's installed" and I have version 7.0.15, so that's fulfilled |
| 06:41.11 | karter | cutmeownthroat: so it turns out, libpq5 conflicts with the version of libpq-devtool that sphinxsearch uses |
| 06:41.15 | karter | so I had to remove that |
| 06:41.29 | mrvdv | ? |
| 06:41.31 | karter | i'm building sphinxsearch from source |
| 06:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, sadly, apt-get build-dep doesn't tell you in detail what went wrong... so you have to try to install all the build-deps yourself |
| 06:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell karter -about nicktab |
| 06:42.29 | karter | CutMeOwnThroat, 4) install the resultant debs what does that mean ? |
| 06:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, there's libpq-dev on backports, too: libpq-dev | 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 06:42.40 | karter | i did #3 - thanks for the tip about nicktab |
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| 06:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | install with apt-get install libpq-dev=8.4.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 06:43.10 | mrvdv | ok it says that its started up n ow |
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| 06:44.54 | wols_ | karter: at the end, your parent directory will have one or more .deb package. these are the sphinx package(s) you created and you can install them with dpkg -i |
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| 06:45.14 | karter | ah cool - thanks! i was trying apt-get install <package location> |
| 06:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | karter, you can't use the libpq-dev from stable, because that's too old ... ( the compiled program depends on a newer version ) |
| 06:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I think... |
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| 06:46.12 | karter | ok that did the trick |
| 06:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, those are written by the maintainer, right? |
| 06:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, must be |
| 06:46.29 | wols_ | what's written by the maintainer? the depends? yes |
| 06:46.40 | wols_ | and if you don't fulfill them, buildpackage won't run |
| 06:47.08 | karter | wow..this is an elite world - its all logical - but you have to pay attention |
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| 06:47.28 | wols_ | yes, debian packaging system is very nifty |
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| 06:49.25 | marina | hi, does anyone how to avoid this: Not replacing deleted config file <cfg-path> |
| 06:49.27 | karter | didn't work guys - i mean it installed sphinx - but when I go and do a mysql > show engines; it doesn't list sphinx |
| 06:49.36 | karter | http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/current.html#sphinxse-mysql51 |
| 06:49.58 | wols_ | !tell marina about confmiss |
| 06:50.06 | marina | I did dpkg --purge on a package and now it does not want to install that package properly. |
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| 06:51.14 | adb | karter, heard about mysql need restart or so , just a guess |
| 06:51.31 | karter | oh good point |
| 06:51.32 | marina | thanks wols_ |
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| 06:51.56 | iceroot | is there some kind of paid support in debian like there is in ubuntu with canocial? |
| 06:52.16 | mrvdv | I got mysql running now. can ppl just start uploading their files so they can deal with mysql? |
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| 06:52.51 | karter | did that - seems like they both are installed but just not accessible through the mysql thing |
| 06:53.01 | marina | wols_: It didn't work with --force-confmiss |
| 06:53.03 | wols_ | !consultants |
| 06:53.03 | dpkg | it has been said that consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 06:53.04 | karter | why does everyone tell me to not compile mysql ? |
| 06:53.31 | wols_ | karter: cause it's not needed. and simply compiling stuff directly from source without packaging it in .deb files will break you debian. horribly |
| 06:53.34 | iceroot | wols_: thank you |
| 06:53.47 | wols_ | either you use the package system or you don't. if one doesn't, there is no point running debian in the first place |
| 06:54.28 | marina | anyone know why dpkg would not want to restore configs during install even with --force-confmiss ? |
| 06:54.51 | marina | it says the config was deleted and it will not attempt to replace it |
| 06:54.52 | wols_ | karter: you can do your backport with a custom configure commandline and package it. you can compile it as the sphinxresearch.com link suggests |
| 06:55.00 | pierre_le | i try to modify some random package source downloaded and builded with apt-build (edit /var/cache/apt-build/build/PKG/src/toto.c). it does not work at all! none of my modifications is used in the output. i tried all combinations of rebuild, clean, install parameters. help |
| 06:55.45 | wols_ | !apt-build |
| 06:55.46 | dpkg | [apt-build] an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 06:56.03 | wols_ | pierre_le: so stop wasting time |
| 06:56.10 | wols_ | or use gentoo |
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| 06:56.46 | pierre_le | so i forget apt-build |
| 06:56.48 | marina | wols_: that is not good advice |
| 06:56.59 | wols_ | marina: what isn't? |
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| 06:57.13 | mrvdv | whats usually the package for php to install? |
| 06:57.28 | WormFood | mrvdv, php5 I think |
| 06:57.31 | wols_ | mrvdv: php5 /msg dpkg LAMP |
| 06:57.37 | mrvdv | cheers |
| 06:57.40 | mrvdv | that worked |
| 06:57.44 | pierre_le | if i can't modify/customize a package sources, apt-build and even source code are totally useless. |
| 06:57.52 | WormFood | also don't forget the additional php5 modules you may want to install |
| 06:57.52 | marina | wols_: just because someone is trying to build/compile a package and it doesn't work doesn't mean it's a waste of time |
| 06:57.57 | mrvdv | so once i instal php, ppl can just start loading up their php site? |
| 06:58.02 | wols_ | pierre_le: you've been told that before IIRC: why are you still trying? |
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| 06:58.13 | WormFood | maybe mrvdv |
| 06:58.15 | wols_ | marina: apt-build is a waste of time |
| 06:58.20 | wols_ | !gentoosmite marina |
| 06:58.20 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling marina, and when it's all done, marina runs no faster than previously |
| 06:58.26 | WormFood | you may need to enable php for your users |
| 06:58.30 | wols_ | mrvdv: no they can't |
| 06:58.33 | mrvdv | how do i do that WormFood? |
| 06:58.49 | WormFood | maybe not...try it |
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| 06:59.17 | WormFood | I know they just changed the default setting in squeeze, so users can not use php, unless it is enabled in the config |
| 06:59.19 | joshteam | I can't seem to get rid of mysql, any ideas? I tried "apt-get --purge remove mysql-server" |
| 06:59.27 | wols_ | mrvdv: be very very careful and read a lot more before you do this. CHances are high your server will be hacked very soon by botnets and used as a spamzombie or worse |
| 06:59.39 | wols_ | joshteam: dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 06:59.46 | mrvdv | oh |
| 06:59.55 | WormFood | yeah, what wols_ said....make sure you trust your users |
| 07:00.13 | wols_ | mrvdv: and make even more sure you know what you're doing before trying it |
| 07:00.23 | WormFood | php is a programming language...it can be used for good or bad....if you let *anyone* have an account, bad things will happen |
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| 07:01.16 | wols_ | s/programming/shitty, insecure programming/ |
| 07:01.38 | X-Raimo | hello? can anyone help me with pulseaudio issue http://paste.org.ru/?dyd9jg please |
| 07:02.57 | mrvdv | yeah the php worked |
| 07:03.38 | mrvdv | so is it automatically working for any user that uploads php that i create an accout for ? |
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| 07:03.55 | joshteam | wols_: thakns, that helped - but now when I reinstall mysql I am seeing this - http://paste2.org/p/708507 - any ideas |
| 07:04.27 | mrvdv | whats a good rpm package to get to run webmail/pop3 server ? |
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| 07:04.55 | wols_ | mrvdv: there are none. this is debian |
| 07:05.01 | mrvdv | oh |
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| 07:05.06 | Zarathust | I'm searching for a package that will show me drive usage by folder |
| 07:05.15 | wols_ | mrvdv: then check why mysql failed to start |
| 07:05.23 | wols_ | Zarathust: du |
| 07:05.26 | mrvdv | mysql is working |
| 07:05.30 | mrvdv | i even tried a test.php page |
| 07:06.14 | X-Raimo | joshteam:try run mysql --configure before start service |
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| 07:06.33 | wols_ | X-Raimo: not in debian |
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| 07:07.04 | mrvdv | wols_, suqirrelmail works in debian |
| 07:07.11 | mrvdv | just got the package and setting it up now |
| 07:07.41 | wols_ | yes, but it's no rpm. and squirrelmail needs a set up imap server |
| 07:07.42 | Zarathust | I'm about to compile kernel 2.6.33, do i still need everything in /usr/src? |
| 07:07.55 | wols_ | you need all your kernel sources, yes |
| 07:08.06 | wols_ | how should we know what's in your /usr/src? |
| 07:08.23 | X-Raimo | joshteam:then run mysql-server --configure |
| 07:08.27 | Zarathust | ok imma rephrase =) |
| 07:08.36 | mrvdv | wols_, i got proftpd installed but it doesnt let me bind to socket/socket error |
| 07:08.45 | wols_ | !tell mrvdv about errors |
| 07:09.08 | Zarathust | Do i still need sources related to 2.6.26? |
| 07:09.24 | joshteam | thanks guys |
| 07:09.26 | wols_ | ano |
| 07:09.28 | wols_ | -a |
| 07:09.46 | wols_ | Zarathust: however, afaik kernel-package is buggy for 2.6.33. see the BTS |
| 07:10.26 | Zarathust | bts? |
| 07:10.40 | wols_ | !bts |
| 07:10.40 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 07:12.15 | Zarathust | i've seen that it is possible to compile with kernel-package 12.033 |
| 07:12.26 | Zarathust | so i've installed it but im running out of space while compiling |
| 07:12.55 | wols_ | delete the kernel tar.bz3, clean out the apt-cache, delete some logs you don't want, etc |
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| 07:14.04 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why when i run sudo tasksel the mail server is installed even though i never installed the mail server from there? |
| 07:14.09 | mrvdv | http://pastebin.ws/cpgz1e |
| 07:14.39 | wols_ | RayzrShrp: a MTA is needed for a unix system |
| 07:14.45 | WormFood | RayzrShrp, what? a mail server is part of the default install |
| 07:14.53 | wols_ | it is installed even without tasksel ever running |
| 07:15.13 | WormFood | the mail server (MTA) does not have to send/receive network traffic |
| 07:15.31 | WormFood | an MTA it is part of the minimum base install |
| 07:15.31 | RayzrShrp | hmmm ok |
| 07:15.37 | RayzrShrp | i thought i had to install it |
| 07:15.40 | RayzrShrp | ps aux |
| 07:15.41 | wols_ | mrvdv: you don't run daemons from your bash prompt. you use init scripts or inetd |
| 07:15.43 | RayzrShrp | oops |
| 07:16.03 | mrvdv | oh .. its the way i know how to |
| 07:16.22 | RayzrShrp | if i started tasksel and then tried to kill its process how can i totally stop it |
| 07:16.30 | RayzrShrp | when i try to run it now it says its lockmed |
| 07:16.34 | mrvdv | well ftp works anywayz:) |
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| 07:16.52 | wols_ | yes, cause it's started after you install it automatically |
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| 07:18.05 | crazy2k | Hello. I hace a client-server application and I want to see what messages are passing via TCP. How can I do? |
| 07:18.48 | wols_ | crazy2k: use a sniffer. tcpdump or wireshark |
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| 07:21.20 | crazy2k | wols_: I haven't used tcpdump before nor do I know much about networking. :/ |
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| 07:21.54 | wols_ | if you can, use wireshark. easier to use for a first timer |
| 07:21.55 | crazy2k | It's just that I have these two programs passing messages over AF_INET. |
| 07:22.30 | crazy2k | wols_: Thanks. |
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| 07:23.37 | mrvdv | how do i allow a certain user to upload in a folder that is permissioned denied |
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| 07:26.55 | mrvdv | got it |
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| 07:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, in that case seems you'll have to recompile mysql with --enable-sphinx (or whatever the configure option was) (we said we coulnd't know that for sure, didnt we?) - but you do that the same way you compiled the sphinx thing - from the package |
| 07:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 07:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, sorry, wrong guy\ |
| 07:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's gonrn and you're the chap starting with ka |
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| 07:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | defntly tme fr bed for me :) |
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| 07:38.49 | crazy2k | wols_: I don't like wireshark. I'd like something like a command-line thing that shows me each data transfered after the other, and just the data, not all the other crap. |
| 07:39.21 | wols_ | what filter did you use for wireshark? |
| 07:39.36 | wols_ | and yes, tcpdump is a commandline app |
| 07:39.43 | crazy2k | wols_: 'tcp' |
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| 07:39.50 | crazy2k | wols_: Yes, but I don't know how to use it. |
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| 07:40.27 | wols_ | filter for the port you use instead. you caught all tcp traffic on your box. a bit much |
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| 07:48.47 | ThoMe | I would like setze a route... |
| 07:48.47 | ThoMe | ip route 78.46.101.79 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.37 |
| 07:48.51 | ThoMe | but doesnt works |
| 07:48.52 | ThoMe | :-( |
| 07:48.56 | ThoMe | can anyone help me? |
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| 07:49.22 | ThoMe | I would like set the gw 192.168.1.37 for the destination 78.46.101.79 |
| 07:50.26 | ThoMe | ip route add 78.46.101.79 via 192.168.1.37 dev eth1 |
| 07:50.27 | ThoMe | ajo |
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| 08:04.40 | phrearch | hello |
| 08:05.08 | phrearch | for an intel 64 bit, what type should i install ? |
| 08:05.18 | phrearch | intel x86 or amd64? |
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| 08:05.38 | adb | phrearch, how much RAM ? |
| 08:05.45 | phrearch | adb: 10gb |
| 08:05.49 | adb | amd64 |
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| 08:05.59 | phrearch | ok thanks! |
| 08:06.02 | adb | yw |
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| 08:09.41 | hacker_kid | is it possible to log all the I/O on an ssh connection? i dont care if it is done client or server side, im just using it for troubleshooting and experiment logging |
| 08:10.22 | valdyn | hacker_kid: |
| 08:10.33 | hacker_kid | valdyn, ? |
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| 08:12.39 | f00bar80 | hello ppl i tried this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40683 with modem but it's not working, as my usb modem is recognized as scasi sr0 , any comment ? |
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| 08:14.54 | qop__ | Hi, guys... do you know if a chroma value can be forced when running some v4l app? |
| 08:16.57 | mrvdv | how do i get myphpadmin so people can admin their php |
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| 08:17.58 | qop_ | dced.. |
| 08:18.28 | adb | qop_, ? |
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| 08:20.51 | phrearch | hm, im trying to boot debian lenny from an usb stick |
| 08:21.05 | qop_ | said I dced... in case I had a reply :p |
| 08:21.15 | phrearch | is dd fine to use for that? like dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdb |
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| 08:27.37 | phrearch | hm, the bootup from usb works., but i get a message that finding an iso install image failed |
| 08:27.43 | phrearch | i thought this was a net install |
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| 08:32.35 | adb | !tell phrearch -about usb install |
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| 08:33.51 | miasma | what does it mean when apt-file returns a location for a file instance and a package-name, but dpkg -L package-name does not list the file |
| 08:34.32 | miasma | what I'm currently missing is "/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/glossary/glossary.sty" in debian testing/unstable |
| 08:34.43 | miasma | the package is texlive-latex-extra |
| 08:35.58 | adb | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=texlive-latex-extra&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
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| 08:39.03 | miasma | ah it seems the package contents have changed |
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| 08:40.01 | adb | !tell miasma about pdo |
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| 08:44.08 | miasma | adb: yea, thanks. it was just the case that the package contents had changed and without enough domain knowledge the pdo output was not very helpful. it seems an upstream issue |
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| 08:50.28 | bkjoe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wAhq1Hsc8 |
| 08:50.48 | babilen | bkjoe: don't do that please |
| 08:51.24 | bkjoe | yes, that should have gone somewhere else |
| 08:51.28 | bkjoe | :/ |
| 08:51.59 | babilen | bkjoe: hope it finds its destination :) |
| 08:52.14 | bkjoe | :) |
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| 08:53.42 | iceroot | is there an easy way to just see stderr on tty1 at boot? |
| 08:55.21 | adb | bootlog ? |
| 08:56.00 | iceroot | the things like "starting apache webserver...................... done" |
| 08:57.00 | adb | cat /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 08:57.33 | iceroot | adb: as i said, at boot-screen i just want to see stderr |
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| 09:01.58 | gan | hai |
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| 09:02.12 | gan | how to play the file format mkv |
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| 09:03.46 | DogBoy | mplayer mkv, or vlc mkv |
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| 09:07.57 | mactimes | Hi. Is there a way I can tell Debian not to swap memory for a specific application/daemon? |
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| 09:09.00 | phrearch | hm, why is ext4 not choosen as default in the installer? |
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| 09:10.46 | feisar | phrearch: I am new to debian but I'm guessing it's because Debian aims to be a stable distribution, using mainly 'tried and tested' software |
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| 09:11.28 | feisar | ext4 is new and from what I understand does still have some issues |
| 09:12.28 | phrearch | feisar: ok, just wondering |
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| 09:14.35 | gan | please someone help me to play the file of format mkv |
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| 09:15.30 | deuterium | hi, is there some kind of 'top' for network connections? i.e. a tool that displays in real-time which processes generate how much network i/o traffic? |
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| 09:16.02 | loxley_ | deuterium: dont know if ntop does what you want |
| 09:16.07 | jelly-home | gan: all the major players should be able to handle that container: mplayer, vlc or xine |
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| 09:16.54 | deuterium | loxley_: ntop sounds good, let me have a look :) thanks! |
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| 09:18.24 | deuterium | loxley_: ntop seems to require a web browser? is there something for the console too? |
| 09:18.50 | loxley_ | deuterium: perhaps jnettop |
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| 09:21.03 | deuterium | loxley_: nice, thanks. i've installed both of them now and try to compare them. regarding the browser, lynx or links on the console might do it, depending on the requirements of ntop |
| 09:22.17 | gan | jelly-home, i have all the players but it is not playing with any mentioned above players |
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| 09:25.01 | deuterium | loxley_: both jnettop and ntop are great! jnettop is closer to 'top'. ntop seems less real-time but can be used together with lynx, so that's useful too. |
| 09:25.51 | joshteam | some reason my server keeps email me :/ |
| 09:25.54 | joshteam | with this in the body |
| 09:26.04 | joshteam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.13 | joshteam | i checked crontab |
| 09:26.14 | joshteam | empty |
| 09:26.24 | joshteam | any clues? |
| 09:26.51 | babilen | joshteam: You might want to take a look at /etc/cron.*/* too - I would assume that it is a failed cron job |
| 09:27.09 | babilen | joshteam: cron.{hourly,daily,...} |
| 09:27.26 | petemc | joshteam: are you using sendmail ? |
| 09:27.28 | joshteam | hmm, /etc/cron doesn't exists? |
| 09:27.37 | joshteam | petemc: it's installed |
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| 09:28.12 | joshteam | err |
| 09:28.12 | joshteam | sorry |
| 09:28.14 | joshteam | wrong shell |
| 09:28.15 | joshteam | :-p |
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| 09:30.03 | joshteam | thanks, sendmail has 2 files in there |
| 09:30.06 | joshteam | i just rm them |
| 09:30.07 | joshteam | :) |
| 09:30.27 | babilen | joshteam: You should have a couple of /etc/cron.* directories. I also couldn't find a package that provides /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp. I would suggest to recursively grep for "sendmail-msp" and check where that file is from |
| 09:31.02 | joshteam | yeah sendmail had two - /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.daily |
| 09:31.05 | babilen | joshteam: You might have an incomplete manual installation there :) |
| 09:31.22 | joshteam | babilen: I am sure that's what it is.. this is a clone vm instance |
| 09:31.22 | joshteam | ha |
| 09:31.23 | babilen | joshteam: Alright - Any idea where these files came from? |
| 09:31.31 | joshteam | babilen: install |
| 09:31.36 | joshteam | but this server is using diff dns/etc |
| 09:31.41 | joshteam | so sendmail is freaking out |
| 09:31.42 | joshteam | :-p |
| 09:32.10 | babilen | no - i mean; Did these cron.*/foo files came with a Debian package? |
| 09:32.19 | joshteam | yes |
| 09:32.45 | babilen | And they fail to execute for whatever reason, :-\ |
| 09:33.13 | babilen | If you would like to it would be appreciated if you could investigate the problem and file a bug if the cron scripts are buggy |
| 09:33.53 | babilen | If not - Enjoy the sun outside :) |
| 09:34.26 | joshteam | haha, thanks for the help babilen |
| 09:34.31 | babilen | no problem |
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| 09:38.39 | freetime | hi , how can i change with www-data user system date (date --set hh:mm:ss) |
| 09:38.44 | jelly-home | gan: what does eg. mplayer say? |
| 09:38.56 | jelly-home | gan: use a pastebin and paste the complete output |
| 09:39.10 | sep | freespace, why should a webuser change the time ? just use ntp and have correct time from the network allways |
| 09:39.18 | gan | jelly-home, just a sec .. i will the paste the result |
| 09:39.28 | gan | jelly-home, ok |
| 09:39.56 | jelly-home | gan: ok? |
| 09:40.42 | jelly-home | gan: show the paste url here :-) |
| 09:40.42 | babilen | freetime: ^^^^^ |
| 09:40.46 | krion | hi |
| 09:41.20 | sep | freespace, but personaly i would use a very restrictive sudo + a input sanitizing script if i absolutly must do something like that.. |
| 09:41.38 | freetime | sep: just for verification time betwenn two servers |
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| 09:41.48 | sep | freespace, that's what ntp is made for |
| 09:41.55 | sep | keeping servers in sync |
| 09:41.55 | gan | jelly-home, when i try to play through mplayer it is not displaying nay message .. just the mplayer is in blue colr |
| 09:42.23 | jelly-home | gan: use the command line, "mplayer foo.mkv", and pastebin the whole output |
| 09:42.35 | freetime | sep: i use ntpdate , but for shure i wan also a web form for this |
| 09:43.36 | gan | jelly, please http://pastebin.com/pNJgzSgc |
| 09:44.07 | jelly-home | gan: that's all? |
| 09:44.25 | gan | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/pNJgzSgc |
| 09:44.46 | babilen | freetime: I think that it is a very bad idea and might turn into a nightmare security wise. Why don't you trust ntp? |
| 09:44.50 | jelly-home | gan: that's all the output? |
| 09:45.01 | gan | jelly-home, hmm |
| 09:45.36 | babilen | freetime: That being said - You can certainly give www-data the right to do so - have a look at sudoers. But I really recommend to think about it for at least a month in which you run ntp on these boxes. |
| 09:46.19 | gan | jelly-home, now i got the output http://pastebin.com/ChP885n9 |
| 09:46.24 | freetime | babilen: i trust ntp , but other people don't trust |
| 09:46.32 | freetime | babilen: ok thx |
| 09:46.49 | jelly-home | gan: um, your pastebin is again rather short |
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| 09:47.15 | gan | jelly-home, this only i got |
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| 09:47.33 | jelly-home | gan: are you sure you're playing the correct file? Does its length make sense? What does "file hurt.mkv" say? |
| 09:47.45 | babilen | freetime: If you do this. Make sure that you have a *very good* authentication/authorisation scheme, run system commands as a different user, sanitise the input, ... |
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| 09:48.01 | babilen | freetime: good luck ;) |
| 09:48.04 | gan | jelly-home, the size of the file is 2 GB |
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| 09:48.13 | freetime | babilen: ok thx |
| 09:48.38 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 09:48.42 | babilen | welcome |
| 09:52.54 | phrearch | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.16 | phrearch | i just installed debian lenny, restarted, and now it says: attempting boot from hard drive (c:) |
| 09:53.25 | phrearch | grub loading. erro: file not found |
| 09:53.54 | phrearch | i just followed the default install options :( |
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| 09:55.19 | zrin | I'm setting up a HA system with two nodes based on lenny, the HA resources would be 1) DRBD and/or assymetrical RAID1 2) AoE exports (LVs for use on a single client) 3) vmware virtual machines; I guess I'd start with pacemaker as CRM; Q: should I try corosync or heartbeat, or look into openais first? |
| 09:56.14 | zrin | ... It is my first HA configuration, so I guess I have alot to learn and test, ... ssm? |
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| 09:57.27 | phrearch | ok, this is definitly not a walk in the park |
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| 09:59.24 | Shadur_ | Question about /etc/network/interfaces: If I want to add both an inet and an inet6 address to eth0, can I just add two stanzas, or will that b0rk up? |
| 10:00.40 | zrin | phrearch: change drive priority in bios |
| 10:01.15 | zrin | phrearch: after booting install grub in mbr of all drives |
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| 10:01.33 | phrearch | zrin: im using a hp smart array |
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| 10:01.45 | zrin | phrearch: how many drives are visible in bios? |
| 10:01.52 | phrearch | ehm, lets see |
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| 10:02.33 | zrin | phrearch: i assume grub looks for files on the wrong drive |
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| 10:03.10 | phrearch | zrin: but on c:, seems like its searching for a fat drive or something |
| 10:03.17 | ssm | zrin: I've got experience with heartbeat, and I've heard good things about openais |
| 10:03.52 | phrearch | hm, boot order is cdom, floppy, usb (c:) , hdd (c:), gigabit lan |
| 10:04.37 | zrin | ssm: then I'll try heartbeat first ... with pacemaker |
| 10:04.53 | ssm | zrin: as a test, install the cluster system, and set up an IP address to fail back and forth, and test that. That's an easy start to get to know the cluster system and tools |
| 10:05.06 | ssm | and it won't ruin your systems :) |
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| 10:07.59 | zrin | ssm: I was looking into http://www.clusterlabs.org/wiki/Debian_Lenny_HowTo, corosync is used there |
| 10:08.13 | sanderj | http://pastebin.com/SayHz9xx <-- Anyone know why I cant compile this kernel? |
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| 10:09.13 | rvsjoen | fakeroot make-kpkg clean ? |
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| 10:09.38 | sanderj | rvsjoen, I did that first. |
| 10:10.21 | sanderj | rvsjoen, oh.. I forgot fakeroot in front of that cmd.. is that important? |
| 10:10.22 | zrin | ssm: it is a test system anyway, for now |
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| 10:10.34 | rvsjoen | sanderj: seems to not just be you, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571716 |
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| 10:11.33 | rvsjoen | sanderj: look into the include/linux/utsrelease.h -> include/generated/utsrelease.h |
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| 10:12.26 | sanderj | rvsjoen, ls: cannot access include/linux/utsrelease.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:12.47 | sanderj | rvsjoen, the other file consist of: define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.33" |
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| 10:13.36 | rvsjoen | where did you get the source from |
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| 10:14.05 | sanderj | rvsjoen, kernel.org |
| 10:14.20 | sanderj | rvsjoen, I just copied the file to the other locatin.. and now it seems to be working. |
| 10:14.34 | Shadur | Question about /etc/network/interfaces: If I want to add both an inet and an inet6 address to eth0, can I just add two stanzas, or will that b0rk up? |
| 10:14.41 | Shadur | The manpage isn't entirely clear. |
| 10:15.11 | phrearch | is there a way i can convince grub that debian is installed on scsi/cciss? |
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| 10:16.09 | jelly-home | phrearch: which grub? What is the exact and full error that you get? What are your boot and root devices? |
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| 10:17.31 | rvsjoen | sanderj: ok |
| 10:17.54 | phrearch | jelly-home: i installed debian lenny on a proliant with a hp smart array from an usb drive. boot should be /dev/cciss/ something |
| 10:18.02 | virtual | Shadur: you can have both together |
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| 10:19.11 | jelly-home | phrearch: what something? /dev/cciss/c0d0? Something else? What's your root filesystem? |
| 10:19.14 | phrearch | after installing and rebooting, grud reports attempting boot from hard drive (c:_ |
| 10:19.34 | phrearch | yea, /dev/cciss/c0d0 is the drive |
| 10:20.11 | jelly-home | can you take a snapshot of the screen? |
| 10:20.35 | phrearch | ehm, not really, i can only get in cli |
| 10:20.58 | phrearch | maybe i can modify grub from the debian installer? |
| 10:21.11 | jelly-home | phrearch: no phones with cameras in vicinity, eh |
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| 10:21.52 | phrearch | hm, one weird thing. |
| 10:22.01 | phrearch | i plugged the usb stick back in, and grud loaded fine |
| 10:22.09 | phrearch | on boot that is |
| 10:22.18 | phrearch | i messed up big time i guess |
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| 10:22.36 | jelly-home | you might have installed it on /dev/sda instead of /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
| 10:22.37 | phrearch | i probably installed grub on the usb stick :S |
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| 10:23.21 | phrearch | jelly-home: so i should manually install grub on /dev/cciss/c0d0 i guess? |
| 10:23.26 | jelly-home | also, since you have a proliant, you'll have iLO2 or iLO and be able to access the console remotely; this can be helpful for screenshots |
| 10:23.37 | babilen | !tell phreach -about fixmbr |
| 10:24.04 | jelly-home | phrearch: that can be one reason; verify /boot/grub/device.map is correct before that |
| 10:24.13 | babilen | phrearch: argh - Just ask dpkg yourself (/msg dpkg fixmbr) and make sure you install on the correct drive :) |
| 10:24.16 | base3 | what do i do if aptitude safe-upgrade starts producing output like this http://pastebin.ca/1829740 and doesnt stop for over 24 hours? |
| 10:24.19 | phrearch | yea i saw that iLO thing, but im really a noob with servers |
| 10:24.27 | phrearch | ok thanks |
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| 10:25.00 | phrearch | jelly-home: hd0 is /dev/sda |
| 10:25.09 | phrearch | hd1 is /dev/cciss/c0d0 in that file |
| 10:25.10 | jelly-home | phrearch: well, should it be? |
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| 10:25.28 | phrearch | i guess not |
| 10:25.29 | grandmoun | Hello guys |
| 10:25.40 | phrearch | no problem to switch hd1 device with hd0 device? |
| 10:26.10 | jelly-home | phrearch: no, these are instructions for grub installer as to which order will BIOS see disks in |
| 10:26.24 | grandmoun | what is the difference between php-cli version 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4 and php-cli version 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6 |
| 10:26.25 | grandmoun | ?? |
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| 10:26.52 | jelly-home | phrearch: when you unplug the stick, the disk array will naturally become first (and only) disk visible to bios at boot time |
| 10:26.53 | zrin | grandmoun: look into the change log? |
| 10:27.07 | babilen | phrearch: I would suggest to use UUIDs to identify your drives/partitions in grub and fstab (/msg dpkg uuid). That's the best way to identify the correct drive/partition |
| 10:27.25 | jelly-home | babilen: bios doesn't know uuids |
| 10:27.31 | phrearch | hm, not sure what to do to fix it :( |
| 10:27.47 | jelly-home | also, labels > uuids :> |
| 10:28.23 | babilen | ah right - you'll still need hd0 |
| 10:28.32 | jelly-home | phrearch: leave only (hd0) /dev/cciss/c0d0 in there, grub-install /dev/cciss/c0d0, see what happens |
| 10:28.38 | babilen | jelly-home: care to elaborate? I'm pretty happy with UUIDs |
| 10:28.48 | jelly-home | babilen: they are long and ugly. |
| 10:29.05 | jelly-home | and not memorable |
| 10:29.07 | phrearch | jelly-home: in /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 10:29.14 | jelly-home | aight |
| 10:29.17 | phrearch | thanks |
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| 10:30.46 | phrearch | ok done, rebooting |
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| 10:31.24 | jelly-home | phrearch: I'd also suggest making a static /dev _with_ /dev/cciss/ entries on your root filesystem (this can be done from a livecd); don't exactly remember the case where this is useful |
| 10:31.29 | gizmore | i have postfix+courier-imap installed... fetching mails seems to work fine, but what do i need to send emails via smtp using thunderbird (or other mail-clients)? |
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| 10:31.53 | phrearch | jelly-home: me neither :) |
| 10:32.04 | phrearch | just trying to get lenny running for proxmox |
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| 10:32.19 | phrearch | argh |
| 10:32.32 | phrearch | grub loaded, but got an error 21 now |
| 10:32.37 | phrearch | selected disk does not exist |
| 10:32.49 | jelly-home | that's called progress! |
| 10:32.51 | phrearch | i probably had to change fstab as well |
| 10:32.54 | phrearch | lol |
| 10:33.10 | phrearch | ah, probably root (hd0,0) |
| 10:33.32 | jelly-home | that'll be grub1, then? |
| 10:33.34 | phrearch | ok, that worked |
| 10:33.44 | phrearch | ehm, not sure. |
| 10:34.19 | jelly-home | grub2 would count partitions starting from 1 -> first disk, first partition would be (hd0,1) |
| 10:34.59 | phrearch | ill do a reboot, and see if it shows as grub2 |
| 10:35.12 | phrearch | man, these machines make a lot of noise :S |
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| 10:35.42 | jelly-home | you put then in a server room and manage them remotely with iLO |
| 10:36.01 | phrearch | grub v 0.97 |
| 10:36.16 | phrearch | ilo also works when ssh is down? |
| 10:36.29 | jelly-home | when the machine is powered off, too |
| 10:36.51 | phrearch | hm, sounds good in case i mess up again |
| 10:36.56 | phrearch | bios option? |
| 10:37.11 | jelly-home | you can power it off, reset it, access the console ($$), boot from an .iso image |
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| 10:37.50 | phrearch | its a proliant dl360 g5 |
| 10:38.01 | jelly-home | some features require an extra license that's about $150, well worth it IMHO |
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| 10:38.36 | phrearch | dont see ilo in the bios |
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| 10:39.19 | jelly-home | it's a separate bios, you should see a "press F8 to configure iLO" at some point of the boot process |
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| 10:40.03 | oo_miguel | hi |
| 10:40.05 | phrearch | aha, thanks. checking it out |
| 10:40.14 | oo_miguel | how can i find out what files belong to a certain package? |
| 10:40.30 | euphidime | Hello, I'm trying to increase the number of maximum open file descriptors for a process that's being run by daemontools under setuidgid. I've increased the soft and hard nofile limits to 8192 in /etc/security/limits.conf, and the change is reflected in ulimit -n, but the hard limit still seems to be 1024 for the daemon process. |
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| 10:40.36 | phrearch | wonder whether that will work on the same wire |
| 10:40.46 | Phil | oo_miguel, search for the package on packages.debian.org |
| 10:40.56 | Phil | then list files for the appropriate architecture |
| 10:41.05 | jelly-home | Phil: there's a separate eth. port for iLO in the back on that model |
| 10:41.17 | oo_miguel | Phil: good idea thx |
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| 10:41.22 | Phil | hm, jelly-home? |
| 10:41.28 | jelly-home | Phil: sorry about that, ignore |
| 10:41.31 | Phil | lol |
| 10:41.40 | jelly-home | phrearch: there's a separate eth. port for iLO in the back on that model |
| 10:41.46 | oo_miguel | is it also possible the other way round? to find out what package a certain file belongs to? |
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| 10:42.04 | phrearch | ah i see |
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| 10:43.11 | jelly-home | phrearch: the card in the front will list default Administrator password for iLO, and it'll get an ip address from dhcp by default. You can change all of those from its bios when you have console access tho |
| 10:44.37 | phrearch | my get in handy, but i would need multiple ip addressed for ilo to work from the outside then |
| 10:44.55 | themill | oo_miguel: packages.debian.org can do that too. Or use dpkg -S, dlocate or apt-file |
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| 10:45.13 | phrearch | will ask my isp for some |
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| 10:45.37 | stockholm | phrearch: multiple? just one |
| 10:45.38 | jelly-home | phrearch: typically you put it on a trusted internal LAN. Then get vpn to that from outside when needed |
| 10:46.07 | stockholm | one for each ilo |
| 10:46.18 | stockholm | dont do vpns, they are evil |
| 10:46.27 | jelly-home | phrearch: it's probably not very smart to put it on the internets accessible from any IP. |
| 10:46.30 | jelly-home | stockholm: nonsense! |
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| 10:47.06 | stockholm | jelly-home: you can put a firewall there protecting the LOMs |
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| 10:47.22 | stockholm | but vpns just create network hassle |
| 10:47.40 | phrearch | its a secured connection isnt it? |
| 10:47.49 | phrearch | ssl i guess? |
| 10:48.17 | stockholm | phrearch: the console and management stuff goes over https if you choose so |
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| 10:49.00 | jelly-home | phrearch: https is the deafult interface; there are more options (ssh; telnet; RDP I think) |
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| 10:49.06 | phrearch | aha |
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| 10:49.44 | phrearch | first got to install a virtualization package |
| 10:49.50 | jelly-home | stockholm: my experience with vpns is great, but only as a user |
| 10:50.03 | phrearch | seems i need a proxmox kernel |
| 10:50.13 | jelly-home | !proxmox |
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| 10:50.48 | jelly-home | the bot doesn't know anything about it, eh |
| 10:50.56 | phrearch | http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Lenny |
| 10:51.02 | phrearch | trying that tutor |
| 10:51.32 | phrearch | seems like proxmox kernel 2.6.32 doesnt support openvz |
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| 10:53.09 | jelly-home | beware on following tutorials blindly without understanding |
| 10:54.02 | phrearch | yea well. i hope i make it till the nice point and click interface |
| 10:54.23 | phrearch | i dont understand much about virtualization, just that i want it |
| 10:54.31 | phrearch | maybe learning something on the way |
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| 10:58.00 | phrearch | hm, pve-kernel returns missing firmware for bnx2 |
| 10:58.06 | phrearch | thats the network interface |
| 10:58.22 | Shadur | virtual: Thanks. |
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| 10:58.59 | themill | ,info firmware-bnx2 |
| 10:59.00 | judd | firmware-bnx2 (non-free/admin, optional): Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII. Version: 0.14+lenny2; Size: 102.9k; Installed: 272k; Homepage: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree |
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| 11:02.52 | phrearch | thanks judd. i followed a tutor to have debian installer detect the bnx2 firmware on install. this seems to be same isseu |
| 11:02.53 | phrearch | issue |
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| 11:06.22 | phrearch | hm i installed the bnx2 firmware with dpkg, but it still complains about /lib/firmware/bnx2/bnx2- stuff not found |
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| 11:13.15 | Acony | anyone familiar with ROR here, since I don't have obviously latest version in repos... |
| 11:14.29 | petemc | check backports |
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| 11:16.34 | tim_abell | hiya, how do i find out what i did wrong in my home grown package? "dpkg: error processing vrtsralus (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 11:16.55 | tim_abell | i've done something in config or postinst, but don't know what |
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| 11:20.39 | tim_abell | why has fme.exe gone back to high priority? |
| 11:20.50 | tim_abell | it's very irritating having my console hang |
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| 11:22.09 | tim_abell | 64 bytes from xenon.internal.emapsite.com (172.16.1.181): icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=37302 ms |
| 11:22.15 | tim_abell | new record |
| 11:22.24 | tim_abell | re-niced |
| 11:22.24 | Vmanz | lol |
| 11:22.33 | tim_abell | damn wrong channel |
| 11:22.46 | tim_abell | i wondered why my colleagues where ignoring me ! |
| 11:22.48 | tim_abell | hides |
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| 11:31.59 | John80 | I have a virtual host (which is only locally between me and the virtual machine available) but I would like to make virtualhost.mydomain.com also available as http://192.168.1.238/mydomain - any idea how I can do this best? |
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| 11:34.27 | eviltoasterLIA | hi, how do i change grub menu list in debian lenny and squeeze? |
| 11:34.54 | eviltoasterLIA | i cant find mnu.lst |
| 11:34.58 | eviltoasterLIA | menu* |
| 11:35.10 | leejongwook | see /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 11:35.14 | leejongwook | :) |
| 11:35.35 | leejongwook | menu.lst @_@ |
| 11:36.15 | eviltoasterLIA | there is no file named menu.lst there :S |
| 11:36.57 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 11:37.32 | leejongwook | /boot/grub/menu.lst <--- @_@ i have this here |
| 11:39.14 | hghgd | that's the right one |
| 11:39.34 | eviltoasterLIA | i know where it should be but i dont have any there :S |
| 11:39.44 | eviltoasterLIA | find / -name menu.lst failed :) |
| 11:39.55 | hghgd | then maybe you use grub2 and not grub legacy |
| 11:40.03 | hghgd | where everything is different |
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| 11:40.05 | AnnaBanz | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268134805.jpg do my boobs look small? |
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| 11:42.47 | leejongwook | eviltoasterLIA, aptitude search grub | grep ^i :P |
| 11:43.19 | leejongwook | i grub - GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version) <-- i have this |
| 11:44.17 | eviltoasterLIA | leejongwook, well know i have it too :) |
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| 11:44.39 | leejongwook | eviltoasterLIA, do you have grub2 ? |
| 11:44.54 | phrearch | wohoo, proxmox running :-) |
| 11:45.49 | eviltoasterLIA | leejongwook, y, i removed it . but going to install it again and learn it instead of running from it :) |
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| 11:47.01 | leejongwook | eviltoasterLIA, i see :) i was curious |
| 11:47.15 | wols_ | eviltoasterLIA: in lenny you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. edit thecommens. in squeeze, grub2 is used and you edit /etc/grub/* |
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| 11:47.35 | wols_ | after editing, you run update-grub either way to actually create the config file |
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| 11:49.28 | eviltoasterLIA | leejongwook, i know how to change menu.lst but not grub2 at the moment. i only have /etc/grub.d. |
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| 11:50.09 | babilen | !tell eviltoasterLIA -about grub2 |
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| 11:51.54 | babilen | eviltoasterLIA: You might want to ask dpkg about <grub2 config> (and other factoids) as well. |
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| 11:59.48 | boon | hi |
| 11:59.50 | boon | i get this |
| 11:59.52 | boon | ffmpeg: Depends: libavcodec51 (>= 3:20080706) but it is not going to be instal led |
| 11:59.57 | boon | and many more |
| 12:00.26 | boon | how to solve? |
| 12:00.32 | simonrvn | what did you do? |
| 12:00.51 | boon | apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 12:01.16 | boon | i used lenny source |
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| 12:01.39 | eviltoasterLIA | boon, your primary dist are? |
| 12:02.17 | babilen | I suspect dmm |
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| 12:02.20 | themill | that's the dmm package |
| 12:02.22 | babilen | ,versions libavcodec51 |
| 12:02.23 | judd | libavcodec51 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
| 12:02.30 | themill | ,depends ffmpeg |
| 12:02.31 | judd | ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavcodec-unstripped-51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavdevice52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavdevice-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavformat52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavformat-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavutil49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), (1 more message) |
| 12:02.37 | themill | ,depends ffmpeg --release lenny-multimedia |
| 12:02.38 | judd | ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec51 (>= 3:20080706), libavdevice52 (>= 3:20080706), libavformat52 (>= 3:20080706), libavutil49 (>= 3:20080706), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libimlib2, libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libswscale0 (>= 3:20080706). |
| 12:02.45 | boon | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:02.45 | boon | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:02.53 | themill | boon: etch != lenny |
| 12:03.00 | boon | ? |
| 12:03.10 | themill | boon: read those lines you pasted |
| 12:03.13 | babilen | boon: etch is a different release than lenny |
| 12:03.30 | boon | oh |
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| 12:04.33 | babilen | boon: What is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" ? |
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| 12:05.45 | eviltoasterLIA | boon, try to install libavcodec51 first or deps for libavcodec51 and then try ffmpeg agian. |
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| 12:09.13 | boon | root@dundas:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:09.14 | boon | 4.0 |
| 12:10.04 | babilen | so you are indeed running etch - could you paste your sources.list to a pastebin? |
| 12:12.13 | babilen | boon: You should consider to upgrade to lenny soon, because security support for etch ended on 15/02/2010. "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" for a short summary and lenny's release notes for an in-depth explanation and guide that you *should* follow. |
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| 12:13.06 | NeckBeard | hghgd: sup |
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| 12:13.56 | hghgd | NeckBeard: o/ |
| 12:14.08 | hghgd | trying to sort out UTF8 issues |
| 12:14.14 | hghgd | and not getting anywhere |
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| 12:14.21 | NeckBeard | those can be a pain |
| 12:14.32 | babilen | hghgd: Do you need help? |
| 12:14.48 | hghgd | I'd appreciate it |
| 12:15.00 | hghgd | my locale is de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 12:15.17 | babilen | ok |
| 12:15.32 | hghgd | and utf8 works in xterm, but not in gnome-terminal or iceweasel |
| 12:16.03 | hghgd | someone here already pointed out it is most likely a font issue |
| 12:16.24 | babilen | hghgd: Most likely, yes |
| 12:16.56 | babilen | hghgd: What are the symptoms of "does not work" ? |
| 12:17.45 | hghgd | square boxes/square boxes with letters in them instead of for example japanese characters |
| 12:19.03 | babilen | yes - that is a font issue. You will need a font that has glyphs for Japanese. |
| 12:19.47 | hghgd | i thought so and installed the xfonts package for japanese but the issue remains |
| 12:20.07 | boon | dpkg |
| 12:20.20 | boon | dpkg, hi |
| 12:20.21 | dpkg | moin moin |
| 12:20.33 | babilen | boon: just to let you know: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 12:20.35 | boon | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 12:20.35 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 12:20.44 | babilen | !tell boon -about selftell |
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| 12:21.39 | babilen | hghgd: Ok, I'm not entirely sure how to solve this, but I am using the terminus fonts right now and have a couple of ttf fonts installed and Chinese characters render quite well in gnome-terminal and xterm |
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| 12:22.16 | hghgd | babilen: i see, thanks |
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| 12:22.48 | nnm | hi all . whats this problem on debian testing : E: man-db: subprocess installed post-installation script killed by signal (Aborted) |
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| 12:23.40 | boon | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 12:23.51 | boon | apt-get build-dep ffmpeg |
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| 12:23.58 | boon | come out that error |
| 12:24.24 | NeckBeard | boon: do you have repositories configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 12:24.26 | simonrvn | update to lenny first before you go doing build deps |
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| 12:24.38 | simonrvn | deb-src lines... |
| 12:26.00 | hghgd | I chose terminus for the gnome-terminal font but I still get the boxes |
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| 12:27.10 | simonrvn | terminus doesn't support unicode byte ranges |
| 12:27.53 | simonrvn | dejavu sans mono and other more modern fonts do |
| 12:28.08 | boon | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 12:28.09 | boon | ? |
| 12:28.27 | hghgd | simonrvn: i'll try, thanks |
| 12:28.45 | nnm | whats this problem on debian testing : E: man-db: subprocess installed post-installation script killed by signal |
| 12:28.53 | simonrvn | unless it has a iso10646 version, then use that one |
| 12:29.13 | simonrvn | boon: why are you trying to build stuff when you haven't updated the lenny yet? |
| 12:29.15 | wols_ | voxio: lenny is not sid |
| 12:29.20 | wols_ | boon: lenny is not sid |
| 12:29.48 | hghgd | hm that didn't help either, it must be some underlying issue |
| 12:30.06 | simonrvn | using utf-8 locales helps ;) |
| 12:30.17 | hghgd | simonrvn: i am |
| 12:30.30 | hghgd | (using a utf8 locale) |
| 12:31.04 | themill | hghgd: many terminal emulators let you set the encoding separately in the terminal too. And you need to tell iceweasel to use the font you've installed for that language group. |
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| 12:31.08 | fas3r | hello |
| 12:31.44 | fas3r | can i use postfix or exam4 to get mail from my isp mailbox ? |
| 12:32.05 | babilen | hghgd: I have *none* of the xfonts-intl-* packages installed, just a couple of ttf- packages. If you want a list let me know. I guess that in particular the arphic fonts are used to render chinese glyphs. You can also configure various fonts within iceweasel for different languages/language group. This is not possible with gnome-terminal though. |
| 12:32.08 | wols_ | fas3r: generally no. what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:32.24 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 12:32.39 | fas3r | get my email from my isp mailbox (pop) |
| 12:32.45 | MaxFrames | do you know how to specify multiple recipient addresses in arpwatch.conf? |
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| 12:33.02 | wols_ | fas3r: and with what client? or do you want to store it locally in your own pop3 or imap server? |
| 12:33.06 | MaxFrames | -m [first address],[second address]? |
| 12:33.10 | MaxFrames | or separate lines? |
| 12:33.56 | fas3r | wols_, ha sorry thunderbird or outlook |
| 12:34.03 | babilen | fas3r: You typically use your email client to retrieve mail, or use something like getmail/fetchmail for retrieval and procmail for sorting |
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| 12:34.42 | giggsey | I've just installed bugzilla3 via apt-get, and I've added it to my httpd.conf and the images/CSS won't load. Any ideas? |
| 12:34.51 | wols_ | fas3r: both of those programs can get mail from a pop3 server easily on their own. nothing else to install. on thunderbird, simply create an account. outlook is not supported here |
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| 12:36.02 | fas3r | wols_, yeah yeah i know it's just i want get it from my isp server on a local server and get it on my own server via an aliase or with imap or other |
| 12:36.08 | giggsey | http://giggsey.pastebin.com/TsTzZTmu is the apache conf |
| 12:36.27 | wols_ | fas3r: can your isp forward your mail automatically? |
| 12:36.57 | fas3r | yes i can i think |
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| 12:37.27 | wols_ | then yes, your MTA can receive these mails for you |
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| 12:40.16 | fas3r | wols_, i need to use qpopper or something like that ? |
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| 12:40.38 | jkprg | hi do you know how to shape outgoing multicast traffic? |
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| 12:40.59 | wols_ | if you want other hosts to access mail which is on your debian machine yes. but I suggest an imap server, not a pop3 one |
| 12:41.10 | wols_ | !qos |
| 12:41.10 | dpkg | from memory, qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service . Ask me about <lartc>. |
| 12:41.44 | fas3r | wols_, i'm the only user so .... ^^ |
| 12:41.49 | jkprg | ok. but what type of queue? |
| 12:42.15 | jkprg | I have to set hard upper bw limit. |
| 12:42.39 | wols_ | fas3r: wha has the amount of users to do with anything? |
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| 12:42.43 | fas3r | wols_, ha not for me ok yeah why not imap |
| 12:42.52 | fas3r | thank |
| 12:43.33 | fas3r | (i talk about the !qos it's for jkprg i guest) |
| 12:44.19 | babilen | fas3r: I have seen several nice setups with getmail+procmail+courier-imap |
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| 12:45.06 | fas3r | babilen, postfix dont use procmail ? |
| 12:45.18 | fas3r | i dont remember a long time i have install it |
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| 12:47.47 | Svenska | hi. i'm using debian squeeze and xfce4. since the last update, my gamepad can be used to control the mouse. how can i turn this off? |
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| 12:47.52 | hghgd | i solved my utf8 problem, it indeed was an issue with missing font packages |
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| 12:48.00 | hghgd | thanks for your help, everyone |
| 12:48.04 | SlapChopVince | hghgd: nice |
| 12:48.16 | babilen | fas3r: The question you have to ask yourself is: Do you want your email delivered to your server or do you want to fetch it yourself? |
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| 12:48.48 | babilen | fas3r: The getmail+procmail+courier-imap setup is one in which you fetch your mail from your ISP .. |
| 12:48.58 | Svenska | i want to use the gamepad as a gamepad for some gaming applications and while this works, the mouse moves around the screen and clicks outside the window. thank you in advance. |
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| 12:49.32 | babilen | fas3r: If you want your mail to be delivered to your server you'll setup your MTA and the setup would consist of (for example): exim4+procmail+courier-imap |
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| 12:50.35 | wols_ | Svenska: your gamepad use causes the mouse to move as well? |
| 12:50.42 | Svenska | wols_: exactly. |
| 12:51.15 | fas3r | babilen, ok thank for explain |
| 12:51.22 | wols_ | workaround: use fullscreen. check the game why it moves both. gamepad and mouse are very different things for X and not related at all |
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| 12:52.05 | Svenska | wols_: since the last system update the mouse moves; the game is innocent. the mouse moves even without game. |
| 12:53.02 | Svenska | in fullscreen the mouse moves as well |
| 12:53.28 | wols_ | then it's not a gamepad problem it seems. check your gamepad related processes |
| 12:54.12 | Svenska | wols_: the gamepad is detected correctly (as it was earlier), it just controls the X pointer now. there are no gamepad related processes, no Joy2Mouse or suchalikes |
| 12:55.11 | wols_ | but X must access it somehow and tells you about it (X logs for example) |
| 12:55.29 | wols_ | Svenska: btw: squeeze/sid? |
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| 12:55.54 | Svenska | wols_: yes, debian/sid |
| 12:56.46 | Svenska | (II) config/udev: Adding input device "2Axes 8Keys Game Pad" (/dev/input/event6) |
| 12:56.46 | Svenska | (II) LoadModule: "joystick" |
| 12:57.12 | Svenska | so X recognizes the gamepad and sets it up as a joystick / pointing device |
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| 12:58.41 | Svenska | how can i disable this "mouse" ? |
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| 12:59.18 | wols_ | Svenska: via xorg.conf for example. since you run sid, you know what that means. and when it does you are allowed to keep the pieces |
| 12:59.47 | Svenska | wols_: i run "squeeze", which is testing. |
| 13:00.28 | Svenska | wols_: i just wanted to know how to deactivate the device at run-time, i.e. without configuring static mouse devices in xorg.conf. |
| 13:00.49 | Svenska | if you can't help me with it, it would be an answer as well. |
| 13:00.51 | simonrvn | ignore it? :P |
| 13:01.19 | Svenska | simonrvn: then i can't play using the gamepad, because the mouse clicks everywhere on the desktop :-p |
| 13:01.22 | simonrvn | there's probably some x utility to do this sanely. |
| 13:01.34 | pierre_le | if you are looking for a fast(er) dns, you can use google's public one 8.8.8.8 |
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| 13:02.01 | Svenska | simonrvn: you do not happen to know this one? :-p |
| 13:02.03 | Stereo | there's even a google app that benchmarks dns servers |
| 13:02.20 | simonrvn | no. i'd be googling it too *hint* |
| 13:02.51 | simonrvn | hm, dns benchmarking |
| 13:03.04 | Svenska | i'm googling along for a while now, but can't find anything related (just "use joy2mouse when you want to use it" etc, but nothing to the obviously new default setting) |
| 13:03.09 | simonrvn | nah. if there's no problem, why fix it. |
| 13:03.25 | simonrvn | try more generic search keywords |
| 13:03.46 | Svenska | linux joystick mouse << can't get more generic :-) |
| 13:03.49 | simonrvn | like joystick disable xorg command or something |
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| 13:05.51 | babilen | Svenska: Take a look at "gpointing-device-settings" and "xinput" |
| 13:06.03 | sep | is there a tool like virt-manager that can actualy deal with networking ? it look like virt-manager just want routed networks ? i simply want multiple vlan's bridged to individual vm's with no dnsmasq, and no dhcp. and no ip just bridging. have tried virt-manager in both squeeze and sid |
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| 13:06.21 | sep | or have i just not set it up correctly ? |
| 13:06.24 | Svenska | babilen: "xinput --list" correctly shows the gamepad both as keyboard (keys) and mouse (axis) |
| 13:06.44 | Svenska | as i don't have gnome, i don't have gpointing-* |
| 13:07.24 | simonrvn | ah, xinput, of course. |
| 13:07.59 | babilen | simonrvn: that's why we are many in here :) |
| 13:08.01 | Svenska | but the xinput utility seems not to be able to disable devices [i do not want to disable the device completely, as i'd like to game with it] |
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| 13:11.35 | poppiez | hi, I'm running lenny. how do I change the system's language. right now it runs in Danish but I'd like it in English |
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| 13:11.59 | Svenska | "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" should do the trick |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | Svenska: Take a look at gpointing-* as well. You have options such as "Disable while other devices are connected". You might just find what you need |
| 13:12.28 | babilen | Svenska: I use it with xmonad and have no problem |
| 13:12.45 | Svenska | ah, i'll take a look |
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| 13:14.07 | poppiez | Svenska: thanks man. works like a charm |
| 13:14.17 | Svenska | poppiez: no problem ;-) |
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| 13:15.05 | Svenska | babilen: the text you mentioned is only for the synaptics touchpad :-( |
| 13:15.36 | Svenska | the program detects three mice: "USB Mouse ", "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" and "Macintosh mouse button emulation" (?!?) |
| 13:15.50 | babilen | Svenska: You might also want to execute 'xinput list-props "NameOfYourDevice"' to query the options you can set ... |
| 13:16.45 | babilen | Svenska: But I am a little confused about the "configure xorg" situation these days. It's DevKit vs HAL vs xinput vs ... and I am never sure how I am supposed to configure input devices in this week |
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| 13:17.12 | Svenska | that's why i'm here to ask :-) |
| 13:17.27 | Svenska | the preferred way of using xorg seems to be without any xorg.conf |
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| 13:19.37 | babilen | Svenska: Yes, but then there is still HAL vs evdev and various configuration ways. I read that tools like xinput are state-of-the-art these days, but am unsure how to set these options permanently. My udev are ignored these days and well ... |
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| 13:19.48 | babilen | *udev rules |
| 13:19.57 | Svenska | ;-) |
| 13:20.00 | jelly | hal must die! |
| 13:20.19 | babilen | Svenska: So i settled for xinput/gpointing- and it's working pretty well so far, although I'm not entirely sure why :) |
| 13:20.30 | babilen | !lart HAL |
| 13:20.30 | dpkg | raises middle finger to HAL |
| 13:20.40 | o2 | hi, i have some specific questions about apt-pinning in connecton to backports (i read the backports-guide and man apt_prefrences) |
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| 13:21.12 | Acony | /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-2.3.5/lib/initializer.rb:271:in `require_frameworks': no such file to load -- openssl (RuntimeError) |
| 13:21.18 | Acony | any ideas on this ? |
| 13:21.23 | Svenska | babilen: gpointing~ changes your touchpoint device directly through the kernel driver, so any upper layers have nothing to care of |
| 13:21.32 | babilen | Acony: Don't use gems? Ask in a ruby channel? |
| 13:21.34 | o2 | ok: here we go: backports.org says: "If you want to get your packages from backports upgraded automatically the following entry in /etc/apt/preferences should be sufficient:" |
| 13:21.48 | o2 | Package: * Pin: release a=lenny-backports Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 13:22.08 | Acony | babilen, I must, application is using it, and on ror channel no body is answering :( |
| 13:22.14 | o2 | i'd just like to have my "translation" of that entry "verified" |
| 13:23.01 | babilen | Acony: it's most likely not a Debian problem as you are using software that was not packaged by Debian. I'm also not familiar enough with Ruby to help you. You might want to try #ruby |
| 13:23.13 | o2 | To it means: Install/Upgrade packages from backports, if: |
| 13:23.31 | o2 | backports has a more recent version than the one installed |
| 13:23.35 | Svenska | babilen: the gamepad is detected by udev as input device (/dev/input/event6), which is directly being used by the JOYSTICK device driver of xorg to control the pointer. *sigh* i've got no idea where to begin. |
| 13:23.35 | babilen | o2: Take a look at "apt-cache policy" too |
| 13:24.10 | o2 | and the is no $package in the stable branch |
| 13:24.35 | o2 | is that correct or did i get that wrong? |
| 13:24.42 | babilen | Svenska: I know the feeling. For a (trackpoint related) overview over the various techniques: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint |
| 13:24.46 | Acony | babilen, tnx, but debian packages are insane, I almost everything need to install without apt-get |
| 13:24.54 | o2 | @bablien: ok, i'll have a look |
| 13:25.12 | babilen | Acony: Ok - But don't expect to get support for that here :) |
| 13:25.30 | Acony | babilen, yeap :D |
| 13:26.05 | o2 | apt-cache policy basically says what apt_preferences told me: all uninstalled packages have priority 500. |
| 13:26.10 | Svenska | even visualboyadvance-m does work better using the win32-build and wine than the "real thing" -.- |
| 13:26.16 | babilen | Acony: It looks as if you miss some dependencies ... |
| 13:27.00 | babilen | o2: I think that your interpretation is correct. I can't however look in your head (not without coming over) and verify that completely ;) |
| 13:27.01 | Acony | babilen, whole day I am tryin to get stupid ror app to work :D |
| 13:27.24 | o2 | thanks. |
| 13:28.08 | babilen | o2: The behaviour is: If a package was installed from backports and there is a newer version -> upgrade it from bpo. Don't upgrade other packages that are available from bpo to the bpo version unless explicitly stated with "-t lenny-backports" |
| 13:28.34 | o2 | ok, that seems more clear |
| 13:28.50 | o2 | apt-pinning semms to be terribly complex |
| 13:29.20 | o2 | and i think you don't even need it for upgrading backports |
| 13:30.08 | o2 | what if you simply do apt-get upgrade without pinning packages from backports to backports? |
| 13:30.15 | o2 | they will not be upgraded, right? |
| 13:30.41 | babilen | *aptitude ;) |
| 13:31.00 | o2 | but then, instead of damaging your brain by tring to get a good idea of pinning you could just run: |
| 13:31.05 | poppiez | is it safe to remove dbus-x11 if you don't use X? |
| 13:31.14 | o2 | apt-get upgrade/lenny-backports or so... |
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| 13:31.41 | poppiez | basically: is it safe to remove anything in the x11 folder when you aren't using X? :) |
| 13:32.00 | babilen | poppiez: It's priority is "optional" so I would say yes. It's a different question if that is a good idea. Why do you want to? |
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| 13:32.20 | babilen | poppiez: A lot of applications are using dbus |
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| 13:32.54 | poppiez | babilen: I'm stripping down the standard installation. I only want to run SSH, apache2, mysql, mail and php. everything else that aren't needed I want removed including everything that has to do with X |
| 13:33.11 | o2 | bablien: why do you suggest aptitude here? does it manage exactly this? |
| 13:33.22 | babilen | o2: It's the default package manager |
| 13:33.28 | babilen | !tell o2 -about why aptitude |
| 13:33.31 | babilen | !tell o2 -about why not aptitude |
| 13:33.47 | o2 | thx |
| 13:34.09 | babilen | poppiez: go ahead, just take care that you don't remove too much :) |
| 13:34.39 | babilen | poppiez: Why don't you just purge x11-common and all of it's dependencies? |
| 13:34.58 | poppiez | babilen: I've already done that but there are still some X packages. but it's OK to remove dbus? |
| 13:34.59 | o2 | is it of any importance that i build my whole system with apt-get? |
| 13:35.07 | babilen | poppiez: It might also be interesting to check the output of "aptitude why dbus-x11" and other packages in the dependency tree |
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| 13:35.49 | babilen | poppiez: never tried to :) |
| 13:36.06 | babilen | poppiez: Just check what depends on it |
| 13:36.18 | poppiez | babilen: depends on avahi |
| 13:36.36 | poppiez | maybe I need that one lol |
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| 13:36.57 | babilen | no - you don't |
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| 13:37.41 | babilen | o2: Not really - Just be aware of the differences. |
| 13:37.44 | base3 | what do i do if aptitude safe-upgrade starts producing output like this http://pastebin.ca/1829740 and doesnt stop for over 24 hours? |
| 13:37.55 | poppiez | babilen: okay. thanks mate |
| 13:38.21 | babilen | base3: What are you doing? Which version of Debian is that? |
| 13:38.23 | o2 | bablien: so i am not likely to beak anything by upgrading via aptitude the next time? |
| 13:39.00 | babilen | poppiez: Just take care - But it might be faster to reinstall a minimal system and start from there. (Just a suggestion) |
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| 13:39.09 | babilen | o2: No |
| 13:39.27 | babilen | o2: Just don't blindly accept everything, but think before you confirm any actions :) |
| 13:39.37 | o2 | clear |
| 13:39.40 | SlapChopVince | poppiez: its much easier to start from nothing and build a minimal os than it is to start with a full desktop os and remove stuff |
| 13:39.48 | o2 | i mean, that's clear :) |
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| 13:40.02 | base3 | babilen: it's squeze and i am trying to upgrade all my packages after not doing it for a long time |
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| 13:41.00 | babilen | base3: ok - that must have been a long time :) |
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| 13:41.00 | bofh80 | is there a hotkey in linux / debian to show the degrees celcius symbol ? oC ? in supercase like it should be ? |
| 13:41.01 | babilen | base3: It's basically trying to figure out the best action |
| 13:41.01 | base3 | babilen: it was |
| 13:41.01 | base3 | do you think it will terminate? |
| 13:41.04 | mrJesus | hi all, I have a lenny/stable debian installation, but I want to isntall a package from squeeze/testing. Can I do that for just one package ? |
| 13:41.19 | SlapChopVince | if its been doing that for 24 hours, it's likely not going to terminate gracefully |
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| 13:41.53 | SlapChopVince | mrJesus: assuming you can meet the dependencies for said package, yes |
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| 13:42.08 | babilen | base3: brb |
| 13:42.16 | rvsjoen | !tell mrjesus about backports |
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| 13:43.19 | babilen | base3: ok, back |
| 13:43.31 | babilen | base3: I would terminate that. Use "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 13:43.53 | mrJesus | nice, I'll check that, and come back if I need anything else, thanks |
| 13:44.10 | babilen | base3: It's most definately necessary to remove some packages which is not performed if you run "safe-upgrade" and which is the cause for the long "thinking" |
| 13:44.34 | poppiez | SlapChopVince: true! however, I did not set this system up and this is what they gave me. bummer I know |
| 13:44.42 | X-Raimo | Hello all. How to setup pulseaudio as primary sound daemon in debian lenny with kde3? |
| 13:44.55 | babilen | base3: As aptitude tries to find a solution that does not entail package removal. This solution might not exist and it therefore traverses the entire search space trying to find a non-existing solution |
| 13:45.04 | Acony | how to get openssl-devel package anyone ? |
| 13:45.33 | babilen | base3: Even good heuristics don't help here as a A* search still needs to look at the entire search space ;) |
| 13:45.40 | streuner_ | Acony: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:45.44 | babilen | ,versions openssl-devel |
| 13:45.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openssl-devel' was found. |
| 13:45.56 | babilen | Acony: ^^^^ |
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| 13:46.00 | jelly | Acony: apt-cache search openssl dev |
| 13:46.12 | Acony | babilen, jelly nope |
| 13:46.18 | jelly | Acony: what nope? |
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| 13:46.19 | X-Raimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.20 | Acony | different package name on debian :D |
| 13:46.23 | Acony | apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 13:46.26 | rvsjoen | are you sure you are not looking for libssl-dev ? |
| 13:46.37 | babilen | Acony: nope? |
| 13:46.39 | jelly | Acony: that's why I gave you a way to search for the correct package name |
| 13:46.56 | babilen | Acony: ah - you've found it yourself :) |
| 13:47.14 | Acony | :D bravo for me lol |
| 13:47.15 | Acony | :P |
| 13:47.23 | babilen | !win Acony |
| 13:47.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, Acony! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 13:48.04 | X-Raimo | i wonder how this: http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio with debian lenny? |
| 13:48.10 | babilen | base3: Does that work? |
| 13:48.13 | base3 | babilen: so in other words, it will finish eventually, but what will happen then? |
| 13:48.22 | X-Raimo | *how this capable |
| 13:48.34 | babilen | base3: It will upgrade a couple of packages, remove a couple of packages, install a couple of new packages ;) |
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| 13:48.58 | base3 | babilen: sorry i didnt see your whole message because of the scroll |
| 13:49.03 | base3 | i will try what you say now |
| 13:49.11 | babilen | base3: The problem is that "safe-upgrade" does not allow package removal, which might be necessary in your situation |
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| 13:49.45 | base3 | babilen: i am doing full-upgrade |
| 13:50.01 | babilen | base3: Just run "aptitude full-upgrade" - paste the output if you want us to take a look at it |
| 13:50.14 | base3 | so basically if it has to remove soemthing, i will have to then install whatever the current package is |
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| 13:50.54 | babilen | base3: No - The removed packages are superseded by other packages which will get installed automatically. There will not be the need to do anything manually afterwards |
| 13:51.47 | base3 | oh ok that's great |
| 13:51.58 | base3 | it gave me a solution which involves changing a load of stuff |
| 13:52.07 | base3 | but the only unmet dependency is |
| 13:52.10 | base3 | liblucene2-java recommends libdb4.7-java |
| 13:52.15 | base3 | which doesnt seem to bad |
| 13:52.33 | base3 | babilen: thank you very much for your help |
| 13:52.43 | base3 | i will come back if i still have an issue |
| 13:53.04 | babilen | base3: you are welcome :) have a nice day |
| 13:53.15 | base3 | :) you too |
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| 13:57.53 | meliowant | Hi. Is here anybody with the laptop and using rhytmbox? I'd like to know if your system is freezing for a bit after changing volume level while rhythmbox is active window |
| 13:58.26 | meliowant | I cannot figure out the source of this problem |
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| 13:59.15 | wols_ | "anybody with the laptop"? is there only one laptop world wide? |
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| 13:59.29 | babilen | meliowant: does not happen here. Have you checked for applicable bug reports? |
| 14:00.07 | meliowant | wols_: laptop and rhythmbox are required ;) |
| 14:00.28 | wols_ | I survive without either of them |
| 14:00.50 | meliowant | babilen: I've found just that disabling accessability may help |
| 14:01.00 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 14:01.03 | meliowant | now will have to try :) If it will work - try to report |
| 14:01.33 | SlapChopVince | meliowant: try running rythmbox from your CLI |
| 14:01.37 | babilen | meliowant: It might also be worth a try to contact the rythmbox devs over at irc.gnome.org |
| 14:01.39 | SlapChopVince | leave the terminal open |
| 14:01.42 | meliowant | Hmm... looks like it works :) |
| 14:01.46 | SlapChopVince | that way you can see the errors display |
| 14:01.50 | SlapChopVince | if there are any |
| 14:01.57 | meliowant | SlapChopVince: No info neither there nor in syslog and messages |
| 14:02.02 | babilen | meliowant: and follow SlapChopVince's advice |
| 14:02.13 | meliowant | Just disabling assisitive technologies will work... |
| 14:02.25 | meliowant | Ok... thank you and sorry for disturbing :) |
| 14:02.35 | SlapChopVince | wait |
| 14:02.40 | meliowant | waiting |
| 14:02.43 | babilen | meliowant: It would still be great if you could include applicable error messages in your bug report |
| 14:02.45 | SlapChopVince | lol |
| 14:02.57 | SlapChopVince | so you disabled assistive and it didn't freeze? |
| 14:03.00 | meliowant | babilen: there is no errors in fact |
| 14:03.01 | meliowant | yes |
| 14:03.02 | babilen | meliowant: /unwait |
| 14:03.08 | SlapChopVince | and this is reproducable? |
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| 14:03.13 | wols_ | babilen: a short "hiccup" where the PC is unresponsive rarely leaves errormessages |
| 14:03.22 | wols_ | it simply does what is described and continues |
| 14:03.28 | SlapChopVince | definitely report this as a bug please |
| 14:03.33 | SlapChopVince | if it happens every time |
| 14:04.08 | babilen | wols_: sure - that does not imply that you should not include error message (if any) in said bug report :) |
| 14:04.41 | babilen | meliowant: How did you get the idea that it might be related to assistive? |
| 14:04.49 | meliowant | babilen: Googled :D |
| 14:05.01 | meliowant | Yeah... I just enabled it, and the same reason |
| 14:05.26 | meliowant | the same reaction.. System is freezing for 30 secs, and unfreezes after that |
| 14:05.38 | SlapChopVince | >unfreezes |
| 14:05.46 | SlapChopVince | pardon? |
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| 14:06.11 | meliowant | No logs anywhere |
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| 14:07.28 | babilen | meliowant: It would be great if you could check the GNOME bug tracker and report that bug to Debian as well. Please also include all applicable information, e.g. the page that described the solution and maybe included an explanation for it too |
| 14:08.23 | meliowant | SlapChopVince: well, when you have opened rhythmbox and change volume level with the shortcuts on the laptop (extra keys) systems stops responding for near 30 secs. During this time it works, but you cannot do anything, Windows became blank when you try to move them etc... After 30 secs everything returns as it was... It's just very annoying thing. |
| 14:08.42 | SlapChopVince | oh |
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| 14:08.51 | SlapChopVince | this is likely not rythmbox related then me thinks |
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| 14:09.13 | SlapChopVince | more likely related to the acpi events generated from your media buttons |
| 14:09.27 | meliowant | The solution is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/308370 |
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| 14:09.44 | Oekel1 | hi |
| 14:09.47 | meliowant | SlapChopVince: how to track them? |
| 14:09.50 | meliowant | Oekel1: hi :) |
| 14:09.57 | Oekel1 | is there someone who can help me with $HOME/.asoundrc |
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| 14:10.42 | Oekel1 | oh, i have to go to meal (wbrb) |
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| 14:12.00 | meliowant | SlapChopVince: And it happens only when rhythmbox is active window.... |
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| 14:15.50 | km0ti0n | Hey, just been building a firewall on an old box running lenny. Was wondering, do people use alternate ports for ssh, rather than 22 something like 27383. I've locked it down already so only allow selected source IPs, just wondering how common it is |
| 14:15.56 | EugenMayer | am i right that swftools is not available in lenny stable? |
| 14:16.05 | EugenMayer | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=swftools |
| 14:16.23 | wols_ | ,versions swftools |
| 14:16.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'swftools' was found. |
| 14:16.36 | base3 | km0ti0n: i do, and it stops the long list of user=admin/pwd=admin type login attempts in the logs |
| 14:16.40 | wols_ | EugenMayer: you are probably confused about something non existing. do you mean swfdev? |
| 14:16.49 | wols_ | *swfdec |
| 14:16.55 | meliowant | km0ti0n: If you have special reasons for that - you may change the port... But it only depends on your wishes :) |
| 14:17.05 | base3 | if you only allow some sources it's probably not worth it |
| 14:17.09 | EugenMayer | wols_: not sure, its about the swf tool converting PDF to flash swf |
| 14:17.46 | km0ti0n | yeah. |
| 14:17.52 | EugenMayer | wols_: so not the browser extension for playing flash content |
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| 14:18.18 | wols_ | EugenMayer: probably not in debian |
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| 14:19.14 | rdz | EugenMayer, it seems to be part of ubuntu, though |
| 14:19.19 | km0ti0n | I was planning on still using 22 and the port on the that I would be accessing, just DNAT the port in iptables. |
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| 14:19.35 | km0ti0n | I did just do it as a test more than anything. mayaswell leave it I guess :) |
| 14:19.44 | EugenMayer | rdz: hmm odd. Well actually i have a lenny where it is installed. How to check where it was fetched from? |
| 14:20.10 | km0ti0n | cheers |
| 14:20.28 | wols_ | EugenMayer: apt-cache policy <package> if your sources.list still contain that source |
| 14:20.53 | wols_ | EugenMayer: the exact .deb filename can also be a clue |
| 14:21.09 | themill | EugenMayer: dlocate or dpkg -S |
| 14:21.11 | EugenMayer | investigating |
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| 14:21.40 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/UQTzdiE6 |
| 14:21.51 | km0ti0n | humm, I can't see the ~/.bash_history file |
| 14:22.00 | km0ti0n | has it moved in lenny? |
| 14:22.03 | EugenMayer | Well where is that package from :/ |
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| 14:22.39 | themill | EugenMayer: see if /usr/share/doc/$packagename has useful information |
| 14:22.46 | wols_ | EugenMayer: it formerly was in debian as google shows |
| 14:23.15 | themill | !dbugs 566575 |
| 14:23.21 | dpkg | DONE:#566575:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: swftools -- RoQA; many unfixed security issues, maintainer not responding (); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:42:05 UTC [] |
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| 14:23.37 | EugenMayer | wols_: themill .. thats the debian.readme http://pastebin.com/CaF2bmGt |
| 14:23.49 | wols_ | very interesting. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=swftools&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 14:24.19 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/uyqKpntD |
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| 14:24.34 | wols_ | EugenMayer: and there are bugreports frm january 2010 findable via google, but no BTS entry for swftools at all. http://bugs.debian.org/swftools |
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| 14:24.38 | EugenMayer | wols_: that would mean its the unstable version |
| 14:24.57 | wols_ | yes, your version is definitely from unstable (or possibly testing) |
| 14:25.10 | EugenMayer | wols_: ok, so thats the point |
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| 14:25.23 | wols_ | you can see yourself if you google for "swftools 0.8.1-2.1" |
| 14:25.24 | Svenska | babilen, wols_ : i think i got the problem solved |
| 14:25.31 | Svenska | $ xinput set-prop '"2Axes 8Keys Game Pad"' 246 0 |
| 14:25.56 | Svenska | this disabled the generation of mouse events from the gamepad (property '246' means 'generate mouse events') |
| 14:26.03 | themill | EugenMayer, wols_: removed from debian some weeks ago. See dpkg's bug info above |
| 14:26.43 | EugenMayer | themill: "where above"? |
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| 14:26.54 | EugenMayer | musst have missed it |
| 14:26.54 | themill | [14:23] <dpkg> DONE: [http://bugs.debian.org/566575] #566575:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: swftools -- RoQA; many unfixed security issues, maintainer not responding (); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:42:05 UTC [] |
| 14:27.05 | EugenMayer | themill: |
| 14:27.08 | EugenMayer | Thank you! |
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| 14:30.05 | EugenMayer | wols_: thank you! |
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| 14:32.49 | macpower | hi |
| 14:32.52 | macpower | everybody |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | waits for a personal hello ... |
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| 14:34.14 | macpower | somebody can help me, I connect me into internet by gprs, and sometimes I have this message : LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
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| 14:34.26 | macpower | But sometimes I can connect me |
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| 14:35.40 | wols_ | macpower: it's a message from ppp. ppp basically tries to send something to your mobile provider and gets no answer |
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| 14:35.51 | wols_ | like a "ping google.com" and you don't get anything back |
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| 14:37.01 | macpower | wols_: after this message (LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests) my connection is disconnected. |
| 14:37.23 | macpower | Have you an issue on my problem ? |
| 14:37.29 | linduxed | ive got an ethernet card that won't work, is there a command that shows its name so i an at least google the problem? |
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| 14:37.41 | wols_ | linduxed: lspci -nn |
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| 14:37.44 | linduxed | i think lspci doesn't show it |
| 14:37.52 | linduxed | i'll doublecheck |
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| 14:38.13 | wols_ | lspci only shows it if it's a PCI or PCIE card |
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| 14:40.15 | macpower | wols_ : It's possible to disable this tried ? and to connect automatically ? |
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| 14:41.07 | wols_ | macpower: that try IS the connection |
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| 14:41.14 | wols_ | and if that fails there can't be a connection |
| 14:41.19 | macpower | ok |
| 14:41.27 | macpower | so it's gprs connection |
| 14:41.52 | macpower | sometimes i can connect me and, an other time I can't connect me |
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| 14:42.24 | macpower | it's bad connection |
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| 14:44.43 | macpower | wols_: timeout on pptp connection is parameters ? |
| 14:44.54 | macpower | configurable ? |
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| 14:45.09 | wols_ | possibly but I dunno |
| 14:45.14 | Oekel1 | re |
| 14:45.34 | macpower | ok |
| 14:45.35 | macpower | thanks |
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| 14:46.28 | Oekel1 | ok, i repeat my question ;) can anyone help me with alsa an the magic in $HOME/.asoundrc |
| 14:47.34 | oggei | metaquestions are waste of time, ask directly |
| 14:47.50 | Oekel1 | oh ok |
| 14:48.10 | intx | metaquestions! hehe |
| 14:48.12 | Oekel1 | i cant see my virtual device in jackd created in this file |
| 14:48.24 | Oekel1 | (even rebooted) |
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| 14:49.58 | ThoMe | hiho |
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| 14:50.17 | ThoMe | have a tar file and i would like add a file into this tarfile in bla.tar.gz/bla/ |
| 14:50.22 | ThoMe | can anyone help me? |
| 14:51.11 | ThoMe | tar --append --file=bla.tar.gz mynewfile.php ? |
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| 14:52.05 | Titan8990 | ThoMe, sounds about right, did you try it? |
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| 15:16.05 | rgr | doesnt look right. He wants to specify a sub dir. |
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| 15:16.48 | jelly | ThoMe: isn't just tar Af foo.tar somefile enough? |
| 15:17.11 | jelly | cannot parse those newfangled GNU long options |
| 15:17.30 | Titan8990 | jelly, believe its r instead of A |
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| 15:18.18 | Titan8990 | jelly, yeah, A is combining archives together and r is adding a file to an archive. according to the manpage |
| 15:18.42 | jelly | well then, mkdir bla && ln (or mv) mynewfile.php bla && tar rf foo.tar bla/mynewfile.php |
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| 15:18.47 | jelly | :-) |
| 15:19.31 | jelly | Titan8990: congrats on your recovered capital letter |
| 15:20.14 | Titan8990 | jelly, it couldn't hide forever! |
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| 15:26.03 | kaziem | how do I make a route added with "route" command persistent on reboots or ifup of that interface? |
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| 15:26.32 | wols_ | kaziem: man interfaces |
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| 15:27.07 | Titan8990 | kaziem, specifically, post-up |
| 15:28.36 | kaziem | thanks Titan8990 |
| 15:28.54 | kaziem | I did read but missed that part =) |
| 15:29.04 | kaziem | slaps wols_ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:30.01 | n0mad | wish someone help me alitle ? http://www.pastie.org/861466 |
| 15:30.51 | jelly | n0mad: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:33.02 | n0mad | jelly :) |
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| 15:35.41 | jelly | n0mad: the first command has two -c options. I suggest RTFM. |
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| 15:35.57 | n0mad | jelly, commands are ok |
| 15:36.13 | jelly | negative on that part, n0mad |
| 15:36.20 | n0mad | this not work after etch ->> lenny |
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| 15:36.55 | jelly | so the first command _was_ ok in etch; however in lenny it's not correct any more |
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| 15:37.07 | Feuerbach | What's with kdict in sid? http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdict |
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| 15:37.27 | jelly | n0mad: to cut things short, su changed behavior and semantics for -c |
| 15:37.36 | today | i worry how choice ubuntu 9.10 n debian x.x version, can You help me ? |
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| 15:38.33 | Titan8990 | today, that type of general question is good for the ##linux channel |
| 15:38.41 | virtual | today: ubu 9.10 is heavily broken, nothing to choose |
| 15:38.49 | RayzrShrp | for a standalone debian box which mail server should i be using? |
| 15:38.49 | Titan8990 | today, here, we will obviously recommend debian |
| 15:38.58 | jelly | n0mad: it's quite possible openvt changed too. Read the NOTE in openvt manual, and/or quote the command you're giving to openvt. |
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| 15:39.05 | RayzrShrp | i got it all messed up last night removing mutt and now mail doesnt work |
| 15:39.07 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, which MTA are you familiar with? |
| 15:39.15 | RayzrShrp | Titan8990: none of them |
| 15:39.30 | RayzrShrp | i dont really ever use mail |
| 15:39.37 | virtual | can someone explain me a strange behaviour of debbuild ? |
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| 15:39.46 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, are you setting up a full-blown MTA or just something to relay to a smart host for cronjobs? |
| 15:39.47 | RayzrShrp | but some people in here last night said linux required a mail server |
| 15:39.47 | today | thanks Titan8990 |
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| 15:40.01 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, it does for some things, yes |
| 15:40.04 | RayzrShrp | Titan8990: i think just for cronjobs outputs and like logwatch stuff |
| 15:40.18 | beli | RayzrShrp: it all depends on your needs....but delivering mail is a basic service of most linux boxes, right |
| 15:40.19 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, then you want something like nullmailer for ssmtp |
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| 15:40.23 | Titan8990 | s/for/or |
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| 15:40.53 | RayzrShrp | beli: i suppose but this is just a desktop box i login into via ssh from work for irssi and stuff |
| 15:41.13 | beli | RayzrShrp: so....what's your problem then? :) |
| 15:41.13 | RayzrShrp | beli: i use gmail for my email |
| 15:41.23 | beli | RayzrShrp: you want to do what? |
| 15:41.40 | RayzrShrp | beli: mail stopped working after i removed mutt and now its all jacked up with like xmail installed or exim or bsd-mailx |
| 15:42.02 | RayzrShrp | beli: i just want to have mail work without having something i dont need installed |
| 15:42.26 | beli | "mail stopped working" is like "my car is broken" ... |
| 15:42.36 | RayzrShrp | right now i have /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 15:42.39 | Riviera | So, fix it. Mechanic. |
| 15:42.42 | RayzrShrp | when i do ps aux |
| 15:42.44 | beli | RayzrShrp: you want to be able to read mails from a foreign mailbox? |
| 15:42.49 | RayzrShrp | it's running under user 101? |
| 15:43.03 | beli | Riviera? :) |
| 15:43.10 | Riviera | Good afternoon Sir :) |
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| 15:43.28 | RayzrShrp | beli: i tried that with mutt but i was only ever able to read them, they were never delivered if i tried to send them, something about pop before smtp? |
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| 15:43.55 | tdn | How do I convert a file to hex? |
| 15:44.07 | tdn | Is there a tool for it? |
| 15:44.08 | rvsjoen | tdn: xxd |
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| 15:44.17 | beli | RayzrShrp: ok, you need to understand some stuff about mail....at first...there are MTAs and MUAs....mail transport agents and mail users agents |
| 15:44.19 | Titan8990 | tdn, technically, wouldn't it already be in hex? |
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| 15:44.26 | RayzrShrp | if i do sudo tasksel it shows a checkmark infront of mail server in the menu |
| 15:44.37 | beli | RayzrShrp: muas are vor reading mail and composing mail...MTAs are for delivering mail |
| 15:44.41 | Titan8990 | tdn, open a text file in hexl-mode for emacs |
| 15:45.00 | RayzrShrp | beli: yep gotcha i understand that - mutt is a mua and sendmail is an mta |
| 15:45.01 | Titan8990 | can't forget about MDAs |
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| 15:45.17 | beli | RayzrShrp: if you dont have your own MTA, you need to send your mail over another ones MTA....and thats what you have to configure for your MUA |
| 15:45.29 | tdn | rvsjoen, thanks. Can I make it output it on a single line? I tried xxd -plain, but it breaks the line up. |
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| 15:45.46 | tdn | Titan8990, I need to serialize a binary file. |
| 15:45.53 | RayzrShrp | beli: correct and dont really need an mta since this box is a dynamic ip address and all |
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| 15:46.06 | beli | RayzrShrp: you need to differ from local mail delivery and remote mail delivery |
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| 15:46.26 | RayzrShrp | beli: this is a single user box so the only local email should be from cron or logwatch |
| 15:46.42 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: files are not stored in hex :P |
| 15:47.01 | beli | RayzrShrp: so you need a remote mailbox address to fetch your mail from |
| 15:47.26 | SerajewelKS | tdn: then you probably want something more like base64, not hex |
| 15:47.27 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, I have always been able to open w/e file with a hex editor |
| 15:47.40 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, ascii, binary, anything I have tried |
| 15:47.42 | beli | RayzrShrp: pop3 or imap and you need a remote mta that allows you to send mail |
| 15:47.43 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: that is not the point. you said "10:44 < Titan8990> tdn, technically, wouldn't it already be in hex?" |
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| 15:47.59 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: no, it would not already be in hex. hexadecimal and binary are not the same thing. |
| 15:48.18 | jelly | RayzrShrp: you can install a small smarthost forwarder like ssmtp and configure it to use your gmail account for sending. |
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| 15:48.22 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: file != disply of the contents of said file |
| 15:48.27 | RayzrShrp | beli: ultimetly i would like to do that |
| 15:48.36 | tdn | SerajewelKS, base64 allows newlines, right? |
| 15:48.37 | beli | RayzrShrp: many ppl use another setup...they fetch their mail from a remote mta and deliver it to local mailboxes...and so they are able to read their mail local |
| 15:48.39 | SerajewelKS | tdn: base64 is more space-efficient (the file will be 150% of the size that it was, not 200%) and is a standard for the interchange of binary data over channels that are not 8-bit clean |
| 15:48.41 | RayzrShrp | beli: i have an imap email account on a friends linux box |
| 15:48.42 | tdn | SerajewelKS, I need to get rid of newlines. |
| 15:48.43 | SerajewelKS | tdn: yes |
| 15:48.49 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, your right. but it can still be viewed in hex form |
| 15:48.51 | SerajewelKS | tdn: it allows them but does not require them |
| 15:48.58 | SerajewelKS | wols_: that is exactly my point |
| 15:49.08 | RayzrShrp | beli: yes i would like to do that |
| 15:49.09 | beli | RayzrShrp: so learn howto configure mutt to use that imap account :) then you can at least READ mail :) |
| 15:49.18 | RayzrShrp | beli: thats the thing |
| 15:49.25 | tdn | SerajewelKS, what I want to do is to cat my ssh private key and pipe it into dmtxwrite to create a barcode backup to print. But dmtxwrite does not accept newlines. It needs all input to be on same line. |
| 15:49.31 | RayzrShrp | beli: i had mutt to pull mail off that no problem but it would never send |
| 15:49.35 | SerajewelKS | wols_: at the lowest level, this depends on the storage medium, but it is usually some kind of coded binary. i am simply explaining to Titan8990 that files are not stored "in hex" as he said. |
| 15:49.35 | beli | RayzrShrp: or learn to use fetchmail for example to get the mails and put it into your local mailbox |
| 15:49.48 | beli | Riviera: how are you, alphageek ;) |
| 15:49.54 | RayzrShrp | beli: so to use fetchmail do i need an mta? |
| 15:50.03 | SerajewelKS | tdn: you can hack up a pipeline with base64 to do this |
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| 15:50.06 | Riviera | beli: very well, thank you :) |
| 15:50.07 | beli | RayzrShrp: nope |
| 15:50.19 | tdn | SerajewelKS, how? |
| 15:50.22 | SerajewelKS | tdn: actually, "base64 -w 0" does exactly this |
| 15:50.24 | RayzrShrp | beli: so it is it's own mta like system |
| 15:50.33 | SerajewelKS | tdn: 'base64 -w 0 yourfile' |
| 15:50.40 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, its an MDA, a mail delivery agent |
| 15:50.42 | RayzrShrp | beli: so then what is exim that I have running right now |
| 15:50.48 | RayzrShrp | Titan8990: gotcha |
| 15:50.59 | tdn | SerajewelKS, thanks. |
| 15:51.01 | SerajewelKS | tdn: and 'base64 -d' to decode |
| 15:51.04 | beli | RayzrShrp: no fetchmail is a mua.....it fetches mail from a remote mailbox and delivers it to a local one, thats all |
| 15:51.13 | SerajewelKS | tdn: np |
| 15:51.15 | tdn | SerajewelKS, yes. It seems the output is too big though :( |
| 15:51.29 | SerajewelKS | tdn: yeah, but it's smaller than hex output for sure :) |
| 15:51.50 | SerajewelKS | tdn: do you know the maximum length of the barcode in characters? |
| 15:52.01 | RayzrShrp | beli: so i just did dpkg -l | grep mail and i have a bunch of stuff like mailx, procmail, bsd-mailx, mailagent |
| 15:52.08 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, sorry, MRA, mail retrieval agent |
| 15:52.18 | SerajewelKS | tdn: because if so you can 'base64 -w N' where N is the maximum number of characters it can encode |
| 15:52.38 | SerajewelKS | tdn: that will output M lines, each of which you can create a barcode from |
| 15:52.38 | manixor | How can I ntfsmount an usb flash is was unproperty unmount? |
| 15:52.38 | tdn | SerajewelKS, base64 -w 0 ~/.ssh/id_rsa | dmtxwrite --encoding=8 --format=PNG > barcode.png, this should work, right? |
| 15:52.46 | wols_ | tdn: why not make more than one barcode? or maybe use a 2D barcode? |
| 15:52.49 | PinkFreud | tdn: Might need to use qrcode - but even that may not let you generate a large enough barcode. |
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| 15:52.55 | SerajewelKS | tdn: i do not have experience with dmtxwrite |
| 15:53.08 | tdn | wols_, I do use 2d barcode. |
| 15:53.10 | RayzrShrp | so i dont need xmail |
| 15:53.16 | manixor | I got this error on ntfsmount: http://dpaste.com/169960/ |
| 15:53.26 | beli | RayzrShrp: you've got a single user system and you are new to mail and stuff....so i recommend to learn howto configure mutt to retrieve mail for you and to configure it to use your friends mta to send mail |
| 15:53.26 | jelly | RayzrShrp: you need one MTA. Exim is a MTA. |
| 15:53.28 | tdn | wols_, but it takes one line as input. |
| 15:53.29 | SerajewelKS | tdn: your best bet is to find out the longest character string it can encode and break the base64 string into pieces of that length, then make a barcode for each piece |
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| 15:54.09 | jelly | beli: he also wants the local MTA to work so that his cron jobs send their reports. |
| 15:54.15 | wols_ | manixor: do what the nice error message says. boot windows twice |
| 15:54.21 | SerajewelKS | tdn: honestly, i'd just print out the base64 encoding and use OCR on it to restore :) |
| 15:54.30 | Titan8990 | manixor, the error looks self-explanatory. It tells you what to do |
| 15:55.08 | tdn | SerajewelKS, yes, I thought of that, but the reason I would like to use barcodes is that they are much more robust. |
| 15:55.11 | beli | RayzrShrp: if you need the local stuff, use sth. like nullmailer too |
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| 15:55.19 | SerajewelKS | tdn: than plain text? are you serious? |
| 15:55.23 | manixor | wols_ I'm not on Windows, I don't have the windows PC now. |
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| 15:55.39 | SerajewelKS | tdn: you can always type the text if you need to. you can't type a barcode. |
| 15:55.45 | wols_ | manixor: then you have an unsurmountable problem if you want to avoid data corruption |
| 15:55.57 | tdn | SerajewelKS, I would actually print both on the same paper. |
| 15:56.00 | tdn | SerajewelKS, just in case. |
| 15:56.05 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: he is very serious and right |
| 15:56.16 | Titan8990 | manixor, you can try your luck with the force option |
| 15:56.26 | wols_ | there is no error correction built into text representation of a TLS key |
| 15:56.37 | tdn | SerajewelKS, yes. Much more robust than plain text, because it adds a lot of redundancy and CRC, so it can be recovered if the paper has been folded/etc. |
| 15:56.50 | SerajewelKS | wols_: shrug, i guess... i trust my eyes more than barcode readers i guess |
| 15:57.09 | aleray | hi, I'm new at debian. I installe Lenny on a ppc, and I'm looking for getting software more recent version. I'm sure it is widely explain on the net but so far can't really find a page explaining how to do this. Any idea ? |
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| 15:57.23 | Titan8990 | !tell aleray about bpo |
| 15:57.34 | wols_ | !tell aleray about grounding |
| 15:57.39 | manixor | Titan8990 Can you tell me the force command |
| 15:57.52 | remoteCTRL1 | hi guys! sry for being offtopic but since i dunno where else to ask (as usual...*g*): can somebody recommend me some mailman plugin/addon/whatever that enables me to search the mail archives? |
| 15:57.54 | SerajewelKS | wols_: my technique is to print the key on front and back of the same paper in different fonts |
| 15:58.03 | Titan8990 | manixor, -o force |
| 15:58.12 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for a tool to make a video DVD from an h.264/vorbis video file. What can I use on Debian lenny? |
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| 15:58.27 | SerajewelKS | manixor: that has the potential to destroy all your data in a worst-case scenario, just FYI |
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| 15:58.37 | oekotaco | oh hai.. is there any problem with whois 3.7.x and 109 iprange? |
| 15:58.46 | RayzrShrp | so if xmail keeps showing up under dpkg with a rc infront of it is it really removed? |
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| 15:59.00 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: the tool just uses the whois servers it knows about. likely the server responsible for that range is not functioning properly. |
| 15:59.06 | RayzrShrp | and show exim be running under user 101? |
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| 15:59.35 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp, that would be the Debian-exim user |
| 15:59.53 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: but on other OSes everything works fine. |
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| 16:00.05 | RayzrShrp | Titan8990: ok so that's normal then |
| 16:00.10 | tdn | wols_, do you have experience using dmtxwrite to store ssh keys? |
| 16:00.16 | jjulian | hi where to get postgresql 8.1 for debian lenny? |
| 16:00.30 | Titan8990 | judd, versions postgresql |
| 16:00.32 | judd | postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.9-0lenny1; sid: 8.4.1-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.2-2; squeeze: 8.4.2-2 |
| 16:00.37 | jelly | remoteCTRL1: try asking in #mailman for suggestions |
| 16:00.57 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: because if i do this on debian stable it's not working but when i do the same whois on a debian testing it works fine. |
| 16:01.04 | oekotaco | same as on macosX whois.. |
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| 16:01.21 | remoteCTRL1 | jelly: just did that, bhut 33ppl channels are always so... dead... |
| 16:01.21 | jelly | oekotaco: it's quite possible the lenny whois is too old. |
| 16:01.29 | jelly | remoteCTRL1: be patient. |
| 16:01.30 | Titan8990 | oekotaco, unrelated to your problem, you should use dig |
| 16:01.41 | remoteCTRL1 | jelly: aye!:) |
| 16:01.45 | jjulian | Titan8990: so its possible to install 8.1 on lenny? |
| 16:01.47 | jelly | remoteCTRL1: I prefer 33 experts to 924 idiots. |
| 16:02.05 | Titan8990 | jjulian, if you compile, maybe |
| 16:02.08 | oekotaco | but i think its a bigger problem then just whois.. |
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| 16:02.15 | oekotaco | caus i even can't ping the IP. |
| 16:02.24 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: dig and whois are unrelated tools |
| 16:02.47 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: run traceroute, see if some hop is blocking packets to that IP? |
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| 16:02.56 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, how are they unrelated? |
| 16:02.58 | remoteCTRL1 | jelly: sure thing but i prefer one expert out of 924 idiots responding over 33 experts not responding... |
| 16:03.07 | Titan8990 | oh... |
| 16:03.14 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: dig performs DNS queries, whois performs whois queries |
| 16:03.16 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, yeah, big fail on my part |
| 16:03.20 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: :) |
| 16:03.25 | Titan8990 | was thinking nslookup..... |
| 16:03.31 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: i thought maybe |
| 16:03.39 | jelly | ,versions whois |
| 16:03.40 | judd | whois -- etch: 4.7.20; lenny: 4.7.30; sid: 5.0.1; squeeze: 5.0.1 |
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| 16:04.19 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: it's even theoretically possible that a bug in the NIC driver is causing those packets to be corrupted before leaving the box. probably not, just saying. |
| 16:04.30 | jelly | oekotaco: whois is a rather simple application, it'd probably be easy enough to backport it. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:04.35 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: at any rate, traceroute is a good first debugging step |
| 16:04.52 | oekotaco | ok. i'll check it. |
| 16:05.09 | oekotaco | one mashine said send: Operation not permitted |
| 16:05.15 | oekotaco | the other works fine with traceroute. |
| 16:05.35 | oekotaco | hrm.. but fiaif/iptables are disabled.. |
| 16:05.36 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: does running traceroute as root make any difference? |
| 16:05.44 | oekotaco | the mashine that failes is a soekris |
| 16:05.56 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: no. |
| 16:06.06 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: it still says "operation not permitted?" |
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| 16:07.10 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: yes. i'll doublecheck the iptables.. |
| 16:07.26 | EugenMayer | anybody tried to compile swttools 0.9 under debian? iam gettings something like "don't know how to define 16 bit integer" |
| 16:07.37 | RayzrShrp | ok so out of the box debian lenny with just desktop environment installed should have exim4 installed for the mta? |
| 16:07.43 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/ADAcSUFr |
| 16:07.46 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: iptables does not create that error message |
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| 16:08.07 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: operation not permitted is set by libc, when a syscall fails. iptables would generate a network-level error, not an OS-level error. |
| 16:08.29 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: are you perhaps using selinux or something? |
| 16:08.34 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: hmkay.. so what to do? |
| 16:08.41 | oekotaco | no debian on a soekris.. soebian :> |
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| 16:09.07 | RayzrShrp | man bsd-mailx |
| 16:09.09 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: hmm... basically that means that send() is failing with that error message. which would not make sense for root. |
| 16:09.14 | krisfremen | o.0? |
| 16:09.20 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: what's the output of: ls -l `which traceroute` |
| 16:09.25 | feisar | hello, I am going to install Debian. I would like to use KDE 4. Do I install Lenny then enable testing packges to upgrade to Squeeze? |
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| 16:09.43 | oekotaco | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Jun 10 2009 /usr/sbin/traceroute -> /etc/alternatives/traceroute.sbin |
| 16:10.19 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: ok follow the symlinks until you hit a file. i'm wondering if perhaps the binary became setuid to a non-root user. (stab in the dark) |
| 16:10.22 | Titan8990 | feisar, no, you shouldn't mix releases |
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| 16:11.02 | Titan8990 | oekotaco, is it actually debian or emdebian? |
| 16:11.19 | feisar | Titan8990: oh right, thanks. How do I go about installing squeeze then? |
| 16:11.57 | Titan8990 | feisar, same way you install lenny, only using the squeeze cd... or you can upgrade a lenny install to squeeze |
| 16:12.00 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: you might also try the -I or -T options to traceroute |
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| 16:12.28 | Titan8990 | feisar, or... you can actually install squeeze using the lenny install cd in expert mode |
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| 16:12.30 | jelly | Titan8990: there is no squeeze cd yes |
| 16:12.34 | jelly | yet* |
| 16:12.37 | SerajewelKS | feisar: and keep in mind that the packages in squeeze are constantly changing and therefore it's much more common for nasty bugs to slip in (but not as bad as sid) |
| 16:13.01 | SerajewelKS | you should be able to run the stable netinstall in expert mode and choose testing as the release though |
| 16:13.13 | feisar | thanks guys, I have a lenny cd and will do that |
| 16:13.17 | pallgone | how do I upgrade to kernel 2.6.33 on squeeze? |
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| 16:13.29 | oekotaco | ls -al /usr/bin/traceroute.db |
| 16:13.29 | oekotaco | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 41008 Jun 20 2008 /usr/bin/traceroute.db |
| 16:13.34 | feisar | it's really only for KDE4 that I want to use testing |
| 16:13.35 | SerajewelKS | pallgone: you build it yourself |
| 16:13.37 | oekotaco | this is the traceroute final bin. |
| 16:13.41 | Titan8990 | judd, kernels |
| 16:13.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:13.58 | virtual | pallgone: latest is 2.6.32-trunk, so compile from vanilla |
| 16:14.00 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: -I or -T does not help. same error |
| 16:14.21 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: yeah that's very unusual... it sounds like you are using selinux or some other security layer on top of linux |
| 16:14.22 | pallgone | virtual: dl the sources from kernel.org? |
| 16:14.33 | virtual | pallgone: right |
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| 16:15.02 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: either that or something is fubared, and i lack the experience to debug either case |
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| 16:15.58 | eldowan | does dolphin in suqeeze support sftp ? I installed from netinst last week and haven't been able to get it to work yet. |
| 16:16.12 | oekotaco | SerajewelKS: ok.. nevermind.. i'l try to find the error.. but it confuses me that i don't changed anything.. |
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| 16:16.26 | SerajewelKS | oekotaco: yeah, it's not any error i've seen in this context before |
| 16:16.29 | wols_ | slummer: does it depend on ssl in any way? |
| 16:16.39 | feisar | I have an AMD64 processor, am I going to be creating problems using something other than i386 for a desktop box? |
| 16:16.49 | `md | hello |
| 16:17.00 | wols_ | feisar: how much RAM do you have? |
| 16:17.06 | feisar | 2GB |
| 16:17.21 | wols_ | not really worth to go 64bit then imho |
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| 16:17.29 | feisar | ok cheers |
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| 16:17.46 | `md | i tried dist-upgrade from lenny to unstable and while apt-get did its thing i got the udev error message: "Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED" etc. what am i supposed to do now? |
| 16:17.49 | Acony | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:17.50 | SerajewelKS | biggest problem i have with 64-bit is no java plugin for iceweasel, but that's really it |
| 16:18.01 | Acony | updated php to 5.3.something |
| 16:18.07 | feisar | is amd64 used for the core 2 duos? |
| 16:18.08 | Acony | and complete mess now |
| 16:18.17 | virtual | SerajewelKS: who needs java ? |
| 16:18.20 | Acony | how to get it back to php 5.2 |
| 16:18.20 | SerajewelKS | feisar: if you ever plan on upgrading to 4gb+ then you will have to do a complete reinstall with amd64 if you would like to take advantage of all of your ram |
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| 16:18.28 | Titan8990 | judd, versions php5 |
| 16:18.30 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
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| 16:18.36 | `md | feisar: yes core2 use amd64 |
| 16:18.42 | Titan8990 | Acony, squeeze? |
| 16:18.43 | SerajewelKS | virtual: please troll elsewhere, kthx |
| 16:18.50 | feisar | SerajewlKS: cheers |
| 16:18.59 | SerajewelKS | feisar: just something to be aware of :) |
| 16:19.20 | JoelK | What is the default MTA package installed on Debian 5.0? I've done 'aptitude show {exim,exim4,sendmail,mail,postfix} and all show their status as uninstalled |
| 16:19.23 | Acony | Titan8990, testing version |
| 16:19.27 | feisar | I guess if the core 2 duos use amd64 then support will only increase |
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| 16:19.57 | Acony | Titan8990, do u have some hints for me |
| 16:19.58 | Acony | ? |
| 16:20.02 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: i think there is a light version of exim |
| 16:20.09 | Titan8990 | Acony, uninstall php5, install the old version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:20.20 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: exim4-daemon-light specifically |
| 16:20.36 | themill | JoelK: aptitude search '?provides(mail-transport-agent)?installed' |
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| 16:21.06 | Acony | Titan8990, hm, can u tell me command for that from cache ? |
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| 16:21.22 | Titan8990 | Acony, dpkg -i.... |
| 16:22.00 | themill | Acony: this is why we suggest not using testing in an environment where changes are a bad thing...."/msg dpkg moving target" and why we recommend users who don't know their way around a debian box to stick to stable... |
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| 16:22.05 | JoelK | SerajewelKS: so that is a simple 'exim4-daemon-light' install, no configuring? |
| 16:22.30 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: dpkg will ask you a few questions but it should be simple stuff |
| 16:22.41 | Acony | themill, well I develop on my local machine |
| 16:22.51 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: also do what themill said first |
| 16:22.57 | themill | Acony: so? The reasoning still holds. |
| 16:23.04 | Acony | and ond stable all packages are old |
| 16:23.06 | Acony | verry old |
| 16:23.07 | Titan8990 | Acony, then you probably don't want any ABI or API changes |
| 16:23.19 | Acony | even on testing I needed to update kernel |
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| 16:23.25 | themill | Acony: if you're doing PHP stuff, that doesn't matter at all |
| 16:23.30 | Titan8990 | Acony, there is a new kernel in backports |
| 16:23.32 | wols_ | JoelK: if a MTA is configure-free depends on how you want to use it, not on the MTA itsel |
| 16:23.35 | Titan8990 | s/new/newer |
| 16:23.35 | wols_ | f |
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| 16:23.58 | `md | nobody knows about this mess with the new udev packages? |
| 16:24.11 | themill | dpkg: tell `md about squeeze udev |
| 16:24.12 | JoelK | so when Debian 5.0 first installs _who_ configures 'exim4-daemon-light'... because I didn't |
| 16:24.18 | wols_ | `md: what mess? the mess that testing is supposed to be? |
| 16:24.33 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: on lenny it might configure itself |
| 16:24.34 | wols_ | JoelK: it uses a simple default config |
| 16:24.47 | Acony | ok people, but can I fix the errors I have with php 5.3 |
| 16:24.48 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: i might be thinking of sarge |
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| 16:24.58 | Acony | dpkg -i php5 |
| 16:24.58 | dpkg | installs php5 into acony's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 16:24.59 | JoelK | okay :) |
| 16:25.00 | themill | Acony: only if you tell us what they are... |
| 16:25.00 | Titan8990 | JoelK, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:25.11 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: i think in sarge you had to answer a few questions like "local delivery or online delivery" and "what is my hostname" |
| 16:25.18 | Acony | themill of I will |
| 16:25.19 | Acony | :D |
| 16:25.26 | JoelK | is there a suggested setup for using a server as a mailserver? preferably want to read mail with mutt if that makes any difference? |
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| 16:25.43 | wols_ | JoelK: there can't be |
| 16:25.53 | `md | oh cool, thanks, i will try that themill |
| 16:26.04 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: personally i like postfix + courier, but you'll have to make that call for yourself |
| 16:26.17 | wols_ | but the default way exim is set up on debian, you can send/receive mail with it and use mutt for reading mail |
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| 16:26.22 | JoelK | SerajewelKS: i can use mutt to read mail? |
| 16:26.27 | Acony | themill, http://pastie.org/861578 |
| 16:26.33 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: that depends on how you configure it |
| 16:26.55 | wols_ | ,versions php5 |
| 16:26.55 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 16:26.59 | babilen | `md: There were several people who successfully upgraded by upgrading the kernel, rebooting and then upgrading udev |
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| 16:27.25 | themill | Acony: why are you trying to compile APC anyway? |
| 16:27.33 | JoelK | why do some use sql with postfix? |
| 16:27.40 | JoelK | is there a + or - ? |
| 16:27.42 | Acony | I need the APC themill I use Doctrine |
| 16:27.54 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: because you can have it handle users you don't have locally |
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| 16:28.04 | jelly | JoelK: scalability? Manageability? |
| 16:28.13 | Acony | and on previous version and on all distros pecl install apc works fine |
| 16:28.18 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: plus that way it can handle multiple domains, if you want it to. so you can use it in a corporate context where not everyone in your company has a local unix account |
| 16:28.31 | mabu | Hi. When writing a debian package, how can I handle new configuration files the debian way. What I want is to present the user an interface where he can decide whether to use the new file or not and diff the files if he wants to. |
| 16:28.32 | babilen | JoelK: What would you like to do? If you "just" want to read mails with mutt a combination of getmail/fetchmail+procmail+mutt+exim4(smarthost) will be all you need. If you also want your MTA to handle incoming mail you'll have to configure it accordingly. |
| 16:28.33 | Acony | wile I have previous package installation was normal :P |
| 16:28.44 | themill | Acony: php-apc is already packaged in debian |
| 16:28.47 | babilen | JoelK: Tell us more about your setup |
| 16:29.17 | SerajewelKS | JoelK: personally i like the sql setup, but that's just me |
| 16:29.38 | themill | !dbugs 572525 |
| 16:29.38 | Acony | themill, maybe but I don't have it, here is the info: http://pastie.org/861583 |
| 16:29.42 | dpkg | #572525:S[php-apc] completely unusable with php 5.3 (sid squeeze); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:00:02 UTC [] |
| 16:29.56 | themill | Acony: and this is why you should use stable for development, not testing.. |
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| 16:30.49 | Acony | themill, yeap I get u, but I need to develop on newest php version not the oldest, and It would be cool to use new software by the way |
| 16:30.58 | SerajewelKS | IMO you can use testing for development if you could also use it for a desktop. e.g. if you know your way around aptitude and know how to create backports. |
| 16:31.11 | Acony | but themill since I am on testing can u please help me how to solve the problem, now ? |
| 16:31.28 | themill | SerajewelKS: not very useful when the tools you're trying to develop against in testing are completely broken though |
| 16:31.39 | themill | Acony: what's the point in developing for a version of php that's not installed on any servers? |
| 16:31.56 | SerajewelKS | themill: sure. you also never 'aptitude clean' so you have a backup of the slightly older, non-broken packages. :) |
| 16:32.26 | themill | SerajewelKS: that's only sustainable for a very short period of time as dependencies catch up with you eventually |
| 16:32.44 | SerajewelKS | themill: nod, it's got its caveats and issues |
| 16:32.51 | Acony | themill, to improve code, and performance, and if results are ok, to update version and aps on server |
| 16:32.55 | themill | SerajewelKS: plus you're developing against libraries that aren't on your target environments.... that's the biggest problem |
| 16:33.01 | SerajewelKS | themill: i've been using testing for dev for some 6+ years |
| 16:33.27 | SerajewelKS | themill: well i do desktop development mostly, so it's useful to develop aganist the libraries that are soon going to be released |
| 16:33.38 | SerajewelKS | themill: desktop and web app dev are two different beasts |
| 16:33.49 | Acony | ok, people, can we go back to problem in order to solve it :D |
| 16:33.56 | themill | SerajewelKS: we're talking about php here. This is aimed at the server end of things. php4 is still the only php on a lot of servers .... |
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| 16:34.17 | SerajewelKS | themill: yeah that's why i have root on my web servers :) |
| 16:34.28 | SerajewelKS | but i digress |
| 16:34.35 | Acony | english is not my native, so I am slow in typing of it, and question creation, but I still need to fix this so I can continue my work... |
| 16:34.36 | themill | Acony: your error message says you need apxs. Try installing apache2-prefork-dev and read the documentation for pecl. And hope that it APC actually works.... it sounds like it might not |
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| 16:35.33 | Acony | themill, before php update everything worked fine, since I installed apc via pecl install apc |
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| 16:36.41 | Acony | themill, but I am downloading this apache2-prefork-dev package and will see what will happend |
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| 16:37.26 | Acony | and can u tell me if possible how can I downgrade the php version if this doesnt solve a problem ? |
| 16:38.10 | themill | didn't Titan8990 already cover that? |
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| 16:38.46 | Acony | yeap he did but his solution doesn't work :P |
| 16:38.52 | Acony | by the way I get this: |
| 16:39.08 | babilen | !tell Acony -about paste |
| 16:39.11 | Acony | http://pastie.org/861594 |
| 16:39.15 | babilen | :) |
| 16:39.48 | Titan8990 | Acony, what didn't work about it? had you deleted the php5 deb archive that you needed? |
| 16:40.06 | Acony | Titan8990, manually I din't |
| 16:40.14 | Titan8990 | Acony, then what was the problem? |
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| 16:41.14 | Acony | Titan8990, something like package not found, I tried with dpkg -i php5 |
| 16:41.29 | SerajewelKS | *facepalm* |
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| 16:42.05 | Titan8990 | Acony, is php5 a .deb file in your current working directory? |
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| 16:42.09 | SerajewelKS | Acony: this is going to sound harsh, but if you do not understand how the dpkg command works then you should not be using anything but stable |
| 16:42.29 | Titan8990 | And I agree with the above ^ |
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| 16:43.14 | Acony | SerajewelKS, yeap, but I am planing to learn things on hard way... |
| 16:43.56 | Acony | Titan8990, no it wasnt |
| 16:43.59 | SerajewelKS | Acony: the problem is that we are going to have to spend longer teaching you the package management system then we would spending telling you how to fix this if you already knew the basics |
| 16:44.03 | Acony | but now I learned something :D |
| 16:44.10 | Acony | locate .deb | grep php |
| 16:44.30 | Acony | so I need to go to /var/cache/apt/archives .... |
| 16:45.16 | Acony | SerajewelKS, that is maybe true, but I don't have time now to downgrade the distro, and I don't want to neither |
| 16:45.18 | Acony | :D |
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| 16:45.34 | babilen | Acony: And it wouldn't be possible anyway :) |
| 16:45.42 | Titan8990 | Mar 09 11:20:09 <Titan8990>Acony, uninstall php5, install the old version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:46.32 | lucid | How can I fix the formatting of my man pages? I'm getting garbage characters where color codes should be: "An expression of the form ân.n.n.n/m.m.m.m´ is interpreted" |
| 16:46.35 | Acony | Titan8990, I will put a smile on your face right now, I was thinking that dpkg will find the file from that directory :D |
| 16:47.11 | SerajewelKS | lucid: is your TERM set incorrectly? |
| 16:47.25 | Titan8990 | Acony, thats because you didn't read the dpkg manpage :) |
| 16:47.34 | lucid | SerajewelKS- I'm not sure |
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| 16:47.43 | SerajewelKS | lucid: what's 'echo $TERM' say |
| 16:48.05 | lucid | SerajewelKS- xterm |
| 16:48.15 | SerajewelKS | lucid: and what's your terminal? |
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| 16:48.31 | lucid | SerajewelKS- I should probably point out that I am using putty from windows to SSH in, but colors work in other programs (vim in general) |
| 16:48.37 | Acony | themill, aint solved with this apache package, should I remove it now ? |
| 16:48.44 | SerajewelKS | lucid: mm yeah xterm should work with putty... dunno then :) |
| 16:48.44 | Titan8990 | color in manpages? is that ANSI encoding? |
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| 16:49.03 | SerajewelKS | lucid: oh, no it looks like those are UTF-8 quote marks |
| 16:49.17 | SerajewelKS | lucid: try this: LANG=C man ... |
| 16:49.17 | Titan8990 | echo $LANG |
| 16:49.22 | lucid | SerajewelKS- oh, perhaps, they seemed consistent with colors |
| 16:49.34 | lucid | en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 16:49.38 | SerajewelKS | lucid: putty is probably set for ISO-8859-15 or whatever it is |
| 16:49.50 | lucid | oh I got that from terminal |
| 16:49.51 | SerajewelKS | lucid: either change putty's character set or export LANG=C |
| 16:49.56 | lucid | I need to change the client's encoding or whatever |
| 16:50.01 | lucid | gotcha |
| 16:50.11 | SerajewelKS | lucid: yes. menu > settings > window > translation |
| 16:50.49 | SerajewelKS | lucid: actually i think ISO-8859-1 is the default. either way, they're not compatible with UTF-8 |
| 16:51.04 | petemc | Titan8990: if you use 'most' as your pager you get colour in manpagers |
| 16:51.10 | petemc | s/rs/s/ |
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| 16:51.30 | DarkStar | Hello |
| 16:51.45 | DarkStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.45 | DarkStar | aclocal... |
| 16:51.45 | DarkStar | aclocal not found |
| 16:51.50 | DarkStar | what i do? |
| 16:51.55 | SerajewelKS | !tell DarkStar about installit |
| 16:52.13 | lucid | SerajewelKS- yep, you were right (it was ISO-8859-1), UTF-8 works, thanks a bunch :) |
| 16:52.15 | Titan8990 | petemc, will have to try that. any chance if you know if its possible to get a basic text editor such as emacs to function as the pager? |
| 16:52.28 | SerajewelKS | lucid: np. i set that in the default settings every time i download putty to a new box. :) |
| 16:52.38 | DarkStar | theres no program called aclocal though |
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| 16:52.51 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: because you did not install it. packages.debian.org is thataway --> |
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| 16:53.07 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: also, you might want to install bulid-essential if you have not |
| 16:53.14 | Titan8990 | petemc, wow... thanks for that tip |
| 16:53.23 | Titan8990 | will never got back to /usr/bin/less |
| 16:53.33 | DarkStar | E: Couldn't find package bulid-essential |
| 16:53.46 | Titan8990 | DarkStar, try without the typo |
| 16:53.47 | babilen | Titan8990: Yeah - most ist much better :) |
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| 16:53.53 | RayzrShrp | man fetchmail |
| 16:53.54 | DarkStar | !b-e |
| 16:53.54 | dpkg | hmm... build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 16:53.57 | RayzrShrp | oops |
| 16:54.08 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: heh, my typo... build-essential |
| 16:54.14 | DarkStar | its already installed |
| 16:54.14 | Titan8990 | babilen, it adds color... I like a colorful terminal |
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| 16:54.31 | SerajewelKS | uses 'vi -' as a pager |
| 16:54.35 | lucid | SerajewelKS- any idea how to make my num pad work in vim, any idea? it makes a new line and puts a character there (7=w, 8=x, 9=y)... it works at the command prompt and mysql; not vim though |
| 16:54.37 | babilen | Titan8990: Been using it for a while |
| 16:54.38 | AlexAnteMachina | hi |
| 16:54.41 | RayzrShrp | so here is a question - my debian box at home is on my wan but the hostname of the box is just compaq since it runs on an old compaq |
| 16:54.47 | SerajewelKS | lucid: in vim :set esckeys |
| 16:54.53 | lucid | good lord. |
| 16:54.55 | SerajewelKS | lucid: (put it in your .vimrc too) |
| 16:54.58 | RayzrShrp | do i need to set a full domain like compaq.myhouse.com? or what? |
| 16:55.04 | babilen | SerajewelKS: intriguing :) |
| 16:55.04 | DarkStar | so how do i get the aclocal when it doesnt exist in apt-get? |
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| 16:55.13 | SerajewelKS | lucid: you are in lockstep with the SerajewelKS Putty Ritual so far |
| 16:55.29 | SerajewelKS | lucid: which generally goes "oh shit i forgot to configure putty/vim" |
| 16:55.31 | lucid | SerajewelKS- while your at it, how about the meaning of life? |
| 16:55.40 | Titan8990 | DarkStar, install automake |
| 16:55.47 | SerajewelKS | lucid: marshmallow cookies |
| 16:55.53 | lucid | SerajewelKS- ah hah! |
| 16:55.54 | DarkStar | thanks :) |
| 16:56.10 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: like i said, packages.debian.org is over there |
| 16:56.21 | DarkStar | libtoolize... libtoolize nor glibtoolize not found |
| 16:56.24 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: it will let you search for files in packages. and is generally preferable to asking here. |
| 16:56.24 | Gnewt | Hey #debian. How can I set a certain IP's traffic to cap at a certain amount/ |
| 16:56.25 | Gnewt | ? |
| 16:56.26 | babilen | !tell DarkStar -about apt-file |
| 16:56.48 | babilen | !tell Gnewt -about lartc |
| 16:56.51 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: because the people here will be snarky and redirect you to the search tools that are provided for exactly the kind of problems you are having |
| 16:56.52 | DarkStar | would help babilen if i knew what the program was that i needed |
| 16:57.11 | Gnewt | Thanks babilen :) |
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| 16:57.18 | Titan8990 | DarkStar, I used apt-file to determine that it was automake, you can too |
| 16:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | RayzrShrp: What is it you're trying to do? |
| 16:57.53 | SerajewelKS | personally i prefer pdo to apt-file but that's just me |
| 16:57.55 | babilen | DarkStar: A search for "aclocal" should provide enough clues to figure out the package you'll have to install. |
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| 16:58.18 | DarkStar | apt-file doesnt work kthx |
| 16:58.27 | RayzrShrp | jhutchins_lt: just wondering if i need a full domain or if a hostname of just compaq is ok |
| 16:58.28 | SerajewelKS | facepalms |
| 16:58.34 | babilen | !doesn't work |
| 16:58.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:58.43 | Titan8990 | DarkStar, kthx for reading the manpage.... apt-file update first |
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| 16:58.53 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: had you used packages.debian.org you'd be done already :) |
| 16:58.59 | babilen | SerajewelKS: hehe |
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| 16:59.13 | jelly | ,file bin/libtoolize |
| 16:59.16 | judd | bin/libtoolize in lenny/i386: libtool: usr/bin/libtoolize |
| 16:59.16 | DarkStar | would help if i actually knew the package im looking for |
| 16:59.27 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: that is exactly what packages.debian.org will TELL you |
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| 16:59.49 | jelly | or apt-file. or judd or dpkg if one asks nicely |
| 17:00.01 | babilen | DarkStar: It's 'automake' |
| 17:00.05 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: you can search the contents of packages for "libtoolize" to find the package that contains it. and i have told you this several times. the fact that you continue to ignore that information is not our fault. |
| 17:00.46 | petemc | Titan8990: i dont know how to use emacs as a pager, but wouldnt it be awful having to start emacs every time you want to page something? |
| 17:01.14 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: we are not substitutes for using the search tools at your disposal, that's the point here. debian has many ways to search for a program in all packages. use them. |
| 17:01.16 | DarkStar | configure.ac:20: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_CPPUNIT |
| 17:01.16 | DarkStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.16 | DarkStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.20 | jelly | petemc: it'd just invoke the already running emacs in the current terminal |
| 17:01.22 | Titan8990 | petemc, well, it would use emacsclient, so emacs is already open, it would just be creating a new buffer |
| 17:01.30 | petemc | oh, ok |
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| 17:01.37 | jelly | right! client-server archivtecture ftw |
| 17:01.49 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: looks like you need a C++ compiler. install g++. |
| 17:01.58 | DarkStar | already is installed |
| 17:02.03 | Acony | Titan8990, hm, finally somehow I get it back to work :D |
| 17:02.06 | jelly | on the other hand, client-server arch. sucks for terminal emulators |
| 17:02.08 | SerajewelKS | DarkStar: then google "possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_CPPUNIT" |
| 17:02.16 | Acony | now, how do I prevent php 5.3 update for a while ? |
| 17:02.16 | DarkStar | fuck it good bye debian |
| 17:02.19 | DarkStar | hello gentoo |
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| 17:02.29 | SerajewelKS | buh bye! |
| 17:02.35 | jelly | !customer |
| 17:02.35 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:02.42 | Titan8990 | !congratulations Acony |
| 17:02.47 | Acony | sounds stupid but want to make same mistake again |
| 17:02.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell Acony about hold |
| 17:02.54 | SerajewelKS | Acony: "aptitude hold libapache2-mod-php5" |
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| 17:03.08 | Acony | !thanks Titan8990 :D |
| 17:03.08 | dpkg | de nada, Acony |
| 17:03.21 | hardbop200 | hi all - php5.3 has really screwed me, and I need to downgrade to php5.2. dpkg -i on the old package (libapache2-mod-php5) didn't work at all...what is the "proper" way to downgrade? |
| 17:03.29 | SerajewelKS | hahaha |
| 17:03.30 | jelly | heh |
| 17:03.32 | SerajewelKS | fantastic |
| 17:03.39 | Titan8990 | thats... great |
| 17:03.45 | hardbop200 | looks like I'm not the first one to ask this :) |
| 17:03.51 | SerajewelKS | themill: time to lecture hardbop200 now? :) |
| 17:04.03 | jelly | hardbop200: Acony will tell you all about it! |
| 17:04.05 | hardbop200 | SerajewelKS: I'll happily take a lecture |
| 17:04.14 | Titan8990 | hardbop200, no, we just finished with one. uninstall php5, install the old package from /var/cache/apt/archives/<foobar> |
| 17:04.16 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: it basically goes "don't use testing for web dev" |
| 17:04.28 | Acony | JAHAHA |
| 17:04.34 | cesurasean | im with hadbop, i have the same issue with squeeze, because of ioncube and zend. how do i downgrade php? |
| 17:04.39 | cesurasean | besides backports? |
| 17:04.50 | hardbop200 | Titan8990: thanks, I'll get right on that. |
| 17:04.52 | Titan8990 | cesurasean, install the old package from /var/cache/apt/archives/<foobar> |
| 17:05.06 | hardbop200 | thanks for the help all, sorry to add to the broken record sounds in the room ;) |
| 17:05.06 | Titan8990 | cesurasean, after removing the existing one |
| 17:05.07 | Acony | SerajewelKS, thanks can u explain me how this works on prevention :P |
| 17:05.12 | cesurasean | titan8990, will i not have any dep issues? |
| 17:05.27 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: php5.3 is you should have checked the BTS before you upgraded. Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:05.27 | dpkg | okay, SerajewelKS |
| 17:05.43 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 17:05.48 | jelly | !snapshots |
| 17:05.48 | dpkg | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 17:06.07 | SerajewelKS | Acony: a "held" package will never be upgraded automatically by apt. you can still explicitly request an upgrade of that package. |
| 17:06.26 | SerajewelKS | Acony: but if you do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade or anything remotely similar, apt will not touch it |
| 17:06.48 | babilen | hardbop200, Acony, cesurasean: You should really install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges (/msg dpkg apt-listbugs) |
| 17:07.11 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: no, php5.3 is you should have checked the BTS before you upgraded. Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 17:07.11 | dpkg | okay, SerajewelKS |
| 17:07.14 | Acony | SerajewelKS, very use full, but will not experiment, and how to unhold it is the command unhold :D |
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| 17:07.18 | SerajewelKS | oh god i hate irssi |
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| 17:07.36 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: no, php5.3 is You should have checked the BTS before you upgraded. Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download them from http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 17:07.37 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 17:07.41 | SerajewelKS | is done now |
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| 17:07.54 | SerajewelKS | Acony: yes, unhold will remove that mark |
| 17:08.02 | hardbop200 | babilen: was not aware of those pkgs, thanks! |
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| 17:08.15 | Acony | ok, good and use full to know |
| 17:08.23 | babilen | hardbop200: They help in situations like these |
| 17:08.29 | jhutchins_lt | RayzrShrp: if you had a group of computers on the net and wanted to identify them as part of a logical group, you would use a domain name for that. If you needed to access them externally you'd want a registered domain name. |
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| 17:08.43 | SerajewelKS | Acony: generally, if it ain't broke, don't fix it (or upgrade) |
| 17:08.45 | Acony | hardbop200, can u tell me what was the problem with php 5.3 and your machine :) |
| 17:08.45 | jhutchins_lt | RayzrShrp: For a single system that you're not accessing externally, you really don't need one. |
| 17:08.53 | SerajewelKS | Acony: if php is working fine then leave it alone |
| 17:08.58 | cesurasean | where do the debs get placed again? sorry, closed chat. /var/lib/?/? |
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| 17:09.13 | SerajewelKS | cesurasean: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:09.24 | cesurasean | SerajewelKS, thx |
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| 17:09.31 | Acony | cesurasean, locate .deb | grep what u need :P |
| 17:09.32 | hardbop200 | Acony: well, I'm not terribly sure...base (snort front-end) stopped working when another dev upgraded to the latest php. |
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| 17:10.10 | Acony | hardbop200, u are smart, I was trying to fix all on php 5.3 but there are lot of bugs with apc, mcrypt I think also :D |
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| 17:11.07 | SerajewelKS | i'm still waiting for php to have a sane OO system and decent iterator support |
| 17:11.10 | hardbop200 | Acony: it was stupid of us to do the upgrade in the first place. luckily, this is an internal-only server, we're a lot more careful with our forward-facing stuff. |
| 17:11.41 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: haha don't even get me started on eaccelerator for production servers |
| 17:12.00 | Acony | hardbop200, I didn't updating it, I need mcrypt so I run update with that |
| 17:12.08 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: i took down the external website for a multi-million dollar company once because i upgraded php and restarted apache before recompiling eaccelerator |
| 17:12.18 | hardbop200 | SerajewelKS: yikes! |
| 17:12.23 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: which causes apache to fail to come back up with no console warnings |
| 17:12.30 | Acony | later, apc since I need it, wasnt able to start and I wasnt able to install it :D |
| 17:12.44 | hardbop200 | SerajewelKS: we're running squeeze on this box so we can have the latest snort, but other than that all of our servers are running stable. |
| 17:12.49 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: it's the most jackass of a php module ever developed. who makes a module that kills of a web server without so much as a warning. |
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| 17:12.55 | Acony | and are anyone here familiar with ROR by the way ? |
| 17:13.24 | hardbop200 | SerajewelKS: I'm not familiar with eaccelerator...should I look into it, or will it just bring me more pain and misery? :) |
| 17:13.57 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: if you remember to recompile it after upgrading php it's nice. it caches the results of parsing your php files, resulting in no parsing delay. significantly speeds up wordpress. |
| 17:14.32 | hardbop200 | SerajewelKS: funny you should mention that - we're running wp as a bastardized cms back-end (don't ask). |
| 17:14.43 | jelly | hardbop200: you might already be in the pain and misery teritory |
| 17:14.50 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: if you use it, remember to 'wget -O - localhost' after every apache restart to make sure it's there |
| 17:15.01 | Acony | hardbop200, SerajewelKS there are caching alternatives, U should install cache manager which feats the best for your application |
| 17:15.04 | SerajewelKS | hardbop200: because if eaccelerator doesn't like something it will kill apache without telling you |
| 17:15.27 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 17:15.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:15.57 | hardbop200 | ha that's funny |
| 17:16.00 | lucid | dpkg is awesome |
| 17:16.00 | dpkg | i don't know, lucid |
| 17:16.08 | SerajewelKS | and humble! |
| 17:16.13 | lucid | dpkg- no really, don't be so humble. |
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| 17:16.15 | cusco | hi |
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| 17:16.20 | Acony | SerajewelKS, I already said, English is not my native and I need a lot of time to type something, and you people are too fast for me :D |
| 17:16.31 | cusco | what is the fastest/lightest way to remove the first line from a file? |
| 17:16.34 | SerajewelKS | Acony: i know, i'm just being an ass :) |
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| 17:16.41 | SerajewelKS | cusco: tail |
| 17:17.24 | cusco | I was thinking in tail $(( $(wc -l file) -1)) file |
| 17:17.40 | cusco | but it is a really looong file |
| 17:17.45 | SerajewelKS | cusco: uhm, 'tail +2' is much easier than that |
| 17:17.57 | cusco | ow, can I do that.. cool |
| 17:18.00 | SerajewelKS | cusco: 'tail -n +2' rather |
| 17:18.18 | SerajewelKS | cusco: "man tail" :) |
| 17:18.23 | cusco | even so, 375534 lines |
| 17:18.28 | cusco | severa files.. |
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| 17:18.41 | hardbop200 | wow, php is super-fucked on my server now ;) |
| 17:18.43 | cusco | I don't mean easy way, I mean lighest way |
| 17:18.51 | SerajewelKS | cusco: well removing the first line means copying the rest of the file ahead |
| 17:19.03 | lucid | hardbop200- at least SOMEONE is getting laid. |
| 17:19.04 | SerajewelKS | cusco: so you might be able to hack up something terrible with head and dd |
| 17:19.17 | hardbop200 | lucid: indeed, and it for sure ain't me and snort/base |
| 17:19.18 | babilen | cusco: You can use sed and a couple of other tools for that as well. I stumbled over a page that discussed things like this some days ago, but i can't find it :-\ |
| 17:19.26 | SerajewelKS | cusco: but for maintainability's sake just tail into a temp file and move it over the original |
| 17:19.28 | cusco | :/ |
| 17:19.49 | SerajewelKS | cusco: sed -i will do that anyway |
| 17:19.49 | Acony | now I see that mod rewrite isn't enabled, ouch, must fix that now :D |
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| 17:19.53 | cusco | SerajewelKS: thatmis how I am planning it, but it takes quite some time to go trough all the files |
| 17:19.56 | babilen | cusco: http://www.skorks.com/2010/03/the-most-common-things-you-do-to-a-large-data-file-with-bash/ |
| 17:20.12 | cusco | I will have a read babilen, thanks |
| 17:20.15 | SerajewelKS | cusco: with that much data i'm not surprised :) |
| 17:20.18 | hardbop200 | babilen: AAAH you beat me to it! |
| 17:20.37 | cusco | SerajewelKS: nano, cutting first line, and saving it seems to be faster.. |
| 17:20.40 | hardbop200 | saw that on reddit just yesterday |
| 17:21.17 | SerajewelKS | cusco: it might seem to be but it's not |
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| 17:21.53 | cusco | how can you be so sure SerajewelKS ? |
| 17:22.04 | babilen | hardbop200: Ah - that's where i stumbled over it :) |
| 17:22.25 | SerajewelKS | cusco: hmm i suppose if it loaded the entire file into RAM, then it could write it back over the old file without creating a new file |
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| 17:22.38 | SerajewelKS | cusco: in that case you can get the same effect but making /dev/shm world-writable and making your temp files in there |
| 17:22.40 | ukl | hello. My dell vostro's debian/testing system started behaving strange yesterday: after a some minutes of usage, the monitor begins to flicker, it ignores input and after a moment the laptop reboots -- any ideas? |
| 17:22.43 | SerajewelKS | by* making |
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| 17:23.18 | cusco | SerajewelKS: /tmp is tmpfs so its ram |
| 17:23.22 | ukl | it's not like it happend straight after an update, so I suspect some hardware breakage issue instead, just don't know what to do. Running memtest at the moment... |
| 17:23.25 | SerajewelKS | cusco: nods use that then |
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| 17:23.57 | EugenMayer | any software known to convert m$ pptx format to PDF under linux? |
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| 17:24.06 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: openoffice |
| 17:24.06 | cusco | babilen: hardbop200 that page shows easy ways/onle line ways, not lightest... |
| 17:24.10 | Bohemian | what audio player will let me sync my ipod? |
| 17:24.12 | cusco | awk 'FNR>1' |
| 17:24.35 | SerajewelKS | cusco: tail -n +2 is as light as you're going to get |
| 17:24.48 | smhar | I have 2 users logged in my computer. I access one in alt+ctrl+7 and the other alt+ctrl+8 . I left the computer for a while and now I can only access the first one. alt+ctrl+8 dispys a blank black screen . #who hows both users still logged in. how to solve this? |
| 17:24.58 | SerajewelKS | cusco: if you need uber-lightweight then you need to write a tool to do this in-place on the original file |
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| 17:25.05 | EugenMayer | SerajewelKS: does not work. the pptx converter in oo 3.1 and 3.2 is totaly broken. You can open them, but they are useless |
| 17:25.10 | cusco | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 17:25.10 | SerajewelKS | cusco: which is not trivilal to do with bash |
| 17:25.16 | babilen | cusco: Yeah - I've read it and it does not seem to be the perfect solution. You might be able to use sed to edit the file in place. But my sed-fu is too weak to figure that out for you :) |
| 17:25.18 | cusco | SerajewelKS: yes I know |
| 17:25.25 | EugenMayer | SerajewelKS: i mean default one slide - no animation pages are totaly broken |
| 17:25.26 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: hmm, then i doubt anything else will work |
| 17:25.30 | ntsasng | http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/project/goldendict/goldendict/0.9/goldendict-0.9.0-src-x11.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:25.41 | ntsasng | i want build it, can you help me? |
| 17:25.47 | poppiez | hi, what's the package called with compile tools? can't compile ATM |
| 17:25.50 | EugenMayer | SerajewelKS: even paid services would work out for me, but hell - nothing out there |
| 17:25.55 | babilen | poppiez: build-essential |
| 17:25.59 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: office 2007 can save PDFs if you have access to such a box |
| 17:26.02 | poppiez | babilen: ah, nice. thanks again ;) |
| 17:26.17 | EugenMayer | SerajewelKS: i dont have m$. I wont have :) |
| 17:26.29 | EugenMayer | SerajewelKS: maybe a server |
| 17:26.46 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: http://www.freepdfconvert.com/supported_formats.asp claims pptx support... |
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| 17:27.08 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: well, for example i have access to it at work. i wouldn't mind using my work box to convert a pptx to a pdf so i could read it on linux. |
| 17:27.17 | ntsasng | i want building a source |
| 17:27.17 | SerajewelKS | EugenMayer: it's not ideal but it gets the job done at least... |
| 17:27.24 | ntsasng | can you help me? |
| 17:27.26 | cusco | thanks for answering me SerajewelKS :-) |
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| 17:27.30 | cusco | I will use tail then |
| 17:27.35 | SerajewelKS | cusco: np |
| 17:27.44 | babilen | ntsasng: You need to give a little more detail |
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| 17:27.50 | ntsasng | http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/project/goldendict/goldendict/0.9/goldendict-0.9.0-src-x11.tar.bz2 |
| 17:27.51 | SerajewelKS | cusco: at least -n +2 eliminates the wc run :) |
| 17:28.00 | ntsasng | babilen: i want build it |
| 17:28.11 | ntsasng | babilen: can you help me build |
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| 17:28.27 | SerajewelKS | oh this should be fun :) *grabs popcorn* |
| 17:28.31 | jaggz | If you run a server in a chroot jail, why can't it access anything outside the jail? |
| 17:28.42 | SerajewelKS | jaggz: if it could, what would be the point of the jail? |
| 17:28.43 | cusco | SerajewelKS: true |
| 17:28.48 | cusco | :D |
| 17:28.48 | ntsasng | help me plz |
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| 17:28.55 | hardbop200 | ok, so I've put libapache2-mod-php5 on hold using dpkg, is apt smart enough to put all of its dependancies on hold too? |
| 17:28.58 | smhar | oh. and if I go to alt+ctrl+8 (the second user) and then to any console screen (alt+ctrl-1-6) it is black too. until I go to alt+ctrl+7 then I can access them back, but not the alt+ctrl+8 |
| 17:29.11 | SerajewelKS | jaggz: that's like saying "if i change permissions so that my users can't run wget, why can't they run wget?" |
| 17:29.12 | babilen | ntsasng: Download it, unpack, read README/INSTALL and follow the steps outlined in there. You might want to install 'build-essential' first. It'll probably work if you 'cd DIR && ./configure && make && make install' |
| 17:29.45 | babilen | ntsasng: You might also want to make sure that it gets installed to /usr/local. Take a look at 'stow' to easy administration of software installed in /usr/local |
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| 17:30.00 | Titan8990 | jaggz, that is the purpose of a jail |
| 17:30.08 | SerajewelKS | jaggz: if you need to give a chroot jail access to some directory outside of the jail then you can use mount --bind |
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| 17:32.30 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS, can you symlink to inside of a jail? |
| 17:32.34 | jaggz | Thanks. I guess I should read more about it. I was thinking that it's a good idea to put bind, postfix, imap, etc. all in chroot jails |
| 17:32.53 | jaggz | hell, apache should as well.. symlinks probably work TO the inside of a jail, but not outside. |
| 17:32.55 | wols_ | jaggz: postfix already is |
| 17:33.13 | hardbop200 | ok, apache2 has the php5 module installed, everything should be right, and yet index.php isn't being recognized, the browser just tries to download it. wtf? |
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| 17:33.31 | jaggz | wols, yeah.. but my postfix is old.. not sure if it's always done that (I hope it has.. I only recently read about it chrooting itself.. I had formerly thought it only separated its processes) |
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| 17:33.52 | wols_ | hardbop200: did you enable the module (a2enmod)? |
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| 17:33.57 | Titan8990 | !listvals php download |
| 17:33.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'php download' by value returned no results. |
| 17:34.04 | hardbop200 | wols_: yup, and restarted apache |
| 17:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: At some point it gets ridiculous to keep building chroots and you have to admit that a server is a server. |
| 17:34.12 | Titan8990 | !listkeys php download |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'php download' by key returned no results. |
| 17:34.14 | wols_ | jaggz: check your master.cf and you see. debian always chrooted it |
| 17:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: It's what the servers's meant for. |
| 17:34.47 | hardbop200 | Titan8990: was that supposed to list all php-related pkgs? |
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| 17:35.03 | hardbop200 | Titan8990: if so, that sure would be handy right now ;) |
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| 17:36.53 | jaggz | nod.. but some are high risk.. or were high risk. One of my servers was hacked running bind... |
| 17:37.37 | jaggz | I caught the user online.. this was like 14 years ago... and I ytalked him and we chatted and he ended up going with me to get the latest bind with patches and fixing the system :) |
| 17:37.40 | wols_ | jaggz: you ran your own, publically accessible DNS server? |
| 17:37.57 | Titan8990 | hardbop200, no there is a factoid about the continued download |
| 17:38.06 | Titan8990 | hardbop200, usually a browser issue, clear your browser cache |
| 17:38.06 | jaggz | yes, that wasn't so rare was it? |
| 17:38.13 | jaggz | still not, is it? |
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| 17:38.27 | wols_ | jaggz: it is monumentally stupid |
| 17:38.39 | jaggz | why? |
| 17:38.40 | wols_ | why did you run your own bind server. public one even? |
| 17:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: C'mon, dude, somebody has to run 'em. |
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| 17:38.54 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: yes. someone with a clue |
| 17:39.14 | jaggz | it was our own so we could manage our records. It was a master but a slave to an ISP system as well. Thus we had primary and secondary. |
| 17:39.14 | wols_ | and it's not as if free DNS hosting is hard to find if you need it (which you almost never do) |
| 17:39.19 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Or they can run Windows <grin>. |
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| 17:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | It was 14 years ago. |
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| 17:41.29 | jaggz | guess I should find a good dns server now.. one which also lets me setup the fun records like Microsoft uses for spam prevention, and others for jabber, etc. |
| 17:41.40 | jaggz | s/server/host/ |
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| 17:50.06 | linduxed | i trying out a tool that i found on one of my testing laptops. The tool is called KernelCheck, and it basically does a kernel upgrade to the latest version |
| 17:50.10 | linduxed | i was wondering |
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| 17:50.36 | linduxed | the part that is labeled "Building kernel" has the close button greyed out |
| 17:50.57 | linduxed | what would happen if i just closed the application forcibly during this stage? |
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| 17:51.15 | linduxed | lots of CC and LD flying past |
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| 17:51.30 | wols_ | linduxed: nothing happens |
| 17:51.36 | wols_ | the build will be interrupted |
| 17:52.06 | linduxed | wols_: will i have some residue scattered all over the drive? |
| 17:53.13 | wols_ | no |
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| 17:54.02 | linduxed | wols_: how is that? has it loaded all of this into the RAM? |
| 17:54.04 | wols_ | linduxed: however, wher is this kernelcheck from? can't find it in debian so far |
| 17:54.31 | linduxed | sourceforge |
| 17:54.45 | wols_ | then ask sourceforge what it does |
| 17:54.57 | wols_ | it's also highly discouraged to use such software in debian |
| 17:55.07 | wols_ | in debian you use kernelpackage if you must compile your own kernels |
| 17:55.40 | wols_ | kernel-package rather |
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| 17:56.15 | linduxed | wols_: well that's why i'm trying this out on a testing laptop |
| 17:56.30 | linduxed | no way i'm doing this on my server |
| 17:56.34 | qwertz | Hi is there a reason i can't find php-apc anymore in squeeze? |
| 17:56.35 | jelly | wols_: Debian doesn't really mind that much if kernels are unpackaged.. it won't break any part of the packaging system |
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| 17:57.50 | wols_ | < dpkg> #572525:S[php-apc] completely unusable with php 5.3 (sid squeeze); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:00:02 UTC [] |
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| 17:59.26 | abrotman | !removals |
| 17:59.26 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
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| 18:00.34 | qwertz | abrotman, , thanks but the package was available when i installed squeeze and seems to have disappeared |
| 18:01.57 | jelly | !why is php-apc not in testing |
| 18:01.58 | dpkg | php-apc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php-apc |
| 18:02.19 | jelly | qwertz: it's not in testing due to RC bugs that wols_ pointed to |
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| 18:04.36 | unx2001 | Why Iceweasel and not Seamonkey is packaged in Debian Etch? |
| 18:05.04 | wols_ | ,versions seamonkey |
| 18:05.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'seamonkey' was found. |
| 18:05.17 | rvsjoen | iceape |
| 18:05.17 | wols_ | I guess no one packaged it |
| 18:05.25 | wols_ | rvsjoen: doh. stupid me |
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| 18:06.20 | rvsjoen | :) |
| 18:06.25 | qwertz | jelly, thanks! |
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| 18:06.50 | unx2001 | Can I disable hald on Debian Etch? |
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| 18:07.17 | wols_ | is there s special reason you want to? |
| 18:07.31 | wols_ | and is there s special reason for running etch at all in the first place? |
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| 18:08.17 | unx2001 | Hald consumes memory... |
| 18:09.00 | rvsjoen | so does the kernel |
| 18:09.05 | wols_ | stop it and check what breaks |
| 18:09.15 | virtual | unx2001: your gui consumes memory, disable it |
| 18:09.22 | wols_ | if the breakage is acceptable or even nonexistent in your case, be happy |
| 18:09.42 | unx2001 | I think that not is broken without hald... |
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| 18:10.39 | wols_ | but note that etch will soon be EOL. and if you are so memory strapped that hald is a problem, then debian probably isn't the distro for you. at least if you run a desktop |
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| 18:11.13 | SerajewelKS | what's the conventional wisdom on ensuring the different apache virtualhosts are served by different unix users? google is not terribly helpful |
| 18:11.42 | abrotman | unx2001: why are you running ietch |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | wols_: it already is EOL |
| 18:12.00 | wols_ | abrotman: didn't it come out in april? |
| 18:12.08 | asg | EOL on Feb 15th |
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| 18:12.23 | jelly | !etch |
| 18:12.23 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for Debian version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 18:12.37 | wols_ | 2007? that long ago? |
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| 18:12.57 | unx2001 | Goodbye to all! |
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| 18:13.10 | abrotman | wtf was that ... |
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| 18:15.06 | jelly | abrotman: well, 2001 and wanting to disable HAL, it's only natural. |
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| 18:17.23 | userrlc | hello, I've bought an USB 3.0 expresscard controller, how can I see if it's running properly with my debian ? |
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| 18:18.30 | linduxed | assume that im compiling stuff, would suspending the laptop hurt the compilation in some way? |
| 18:19.09 | azeem | it shouldn't AIUI |
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| 18:21.35 | N0way | Hi |
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| 18:22.01 | N0way | I nedd some help with debian |
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| 18:22.19 | linduxed | just ask the question you have then |
| 18:22.35 | N0way | I am using Debian Lenny but some updates are really long (sudo for example...) |
| 18:22.42 | N0way | and I have some problems with MSN clients |
| 18:22.54 | N0way | So I'm thinking to use sid |
| 18:22.59 | N0way | is it really unstable ? |
| 18:23.09 | azeem | ye |
| 18:23.11 | azeem | s |
| 18:23.22 | N0way | mmm |
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| 18:23.30 | neant | try hp-ux |
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| 18:23.43 | N0way | Is there any way to have a stable debian but with up to date packets ? |
| 18:23.49 | Titan8990 | !bpo |
| 18:23.49 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 18:24.21 | Titan8990 | N0way, sudo was an important security update |
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| 18:28.02 | N0way | Titan8990: actually the sudo exploit works on my computer |
| 18:28.06 | N0way | :'( |
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| 18:31.25 | N0way | Is it secure to have all my packets updated from backports ? |
| 18:31.53 | Titan8990 | assuming you mean packages, I would not |
| 18:32.01 | Titan8990 | N0way, what newer package do you actually need? |
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| 18:32.22 | themill | N0way: very much not recommended for sanity and stability. /msg dpkg backport caveat |
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| 18:33.18 | torstefan | Hey, I have a problem getting a usb-sound card to work. |
| 18:33.27 | torstefan | http://pastebin.org/107652 |
| 18:33.30 | N0way | Actually I need a secure sudo and an updated pidgin |
| 18:34.12 | themill | N0way: lenny has a fixed sudo already; pidgin from backports.org is a good move |
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| 18:35.55 | N0way | sudo -V |
| 18:35.56 | N0way | Sudo version 1.6.9p17 |
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| 18:36.36 | Titan8990 | N0way, that is the correct version |
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| 18:37.09 | themill | Actually, you can't tell from that version string if it's the fixed version or not |
| 18:37.23 | N0way | why ? |
| 18:37.34 | themill | dpkg: tell N0way about security backports |
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| 18:39.38 | N0way | ok but the exploit ttell me that the version is not fixed |
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| 18:40.21 | Titan8990 | N0way, did you message the bot and read what he said? |
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| 18:40.48 | themill | N0way: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy sudo" |
| 18:40.57 | Kobaz | is there something like freebsd's portaudit for debian |
| 18:40.59 | Titan8990 | N0way, they backport security fixes, meaning they apply the patches but don't actually upgrade the application to a new version |
| 18:41.11 | Kobaz | to check installed packages against security advisories |
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| 18:41.35 | themill | Kobaz: debsecan |
| 18:41.39 | Kobaz | nice |
| 18:42.33 | N0way | themill: http://pastebin.com/dvAVWmqs |
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| 18:42.59 | Titan8990 | hehe, like 75% of these are either java or java apps |
| 18:43.02 | themill | N0way: right, so you have the fixed version installed. Smile and be happy. |
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| 18:43.56 | N0way | This exploit actually works http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/11651 :( |
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| 18:45.22 | testi | Can I deny symlink creation to internal-sftp (openssh builtin restricted sftp shell)? Or can I mount a filesystem, so that symlinks won't be followed? Or mount a filesystem so that symlink creation is now allowed? |
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| 18:46.29 | testi | or restrict symlink creation so that symlinks can only be relative and only towards bottom? |
| 18:46.53 | Titan8990 | N0way, didn't work on my box... can the user just sudo -i to begin with? |
| 18:47.12 | testi | s/now/not/ |
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| 18:49.24 | Titan8990 | hehe, I even got an email about the failed attempt |
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| 18:50.33 | feisar | hi, does squeeze support ext4? |
| 18:50.52 | RustyRazor | one you add the Match chroot rule to openssh-server shouldn't I jail the user to their directory? or is chroot just changind to that directory to be used? |
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| 18:51.29 | Titan8990 | feisar, yes |
| 18:51.30 | feisar | I have a home dir that's formatted with ext4 and am about to install squeeze, will I be able to mount it? |
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| 18:51.38 | rdz | hi all. i am packaging some libs that i compiled from cvs/svn sources for a personal archive. now i wonder about policies about version numbers given to that packages. is there some guide about how it should be done? |
| 18:51.45 | feisar | Titan8990: thanks |
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| 18:51.54 | mola89 | after starting eclipse i installed eclipse-phpeclipse. PHPEclipse is listed, but I can't find related tools (such as menus, toolbox, views, etc..). Any suggestions? |
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| 18:52.44 | Titan8990 | mola89, doesn't look like a debian package, did you try the eclipse channel? |
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| 18:53.26 | mola89 | yes, but it seems they're sleeping. |
| 18:53.29 | mola89 | -_- |
| 18:53.44 | N0way | Titan8990: mmm sudo -i works... orry, shame on me :'( |
| 18:53.50 | N0way | so sleep time |
| 18:54.08 | Titan8990 | N0way, happens :) |
| 18:54.21 | N0way | Titan8990: unfortunately |
| 18:55.14 | jnss | how do we change the cipher used in lvm encryption of the whole drive |
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| 18:57.21 | Titan8990 | I would imagine that it would depend on the tool used for encryption in the first place and what it allows |
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| 18:59.10 | N0way | thanks Titan8990 ++ |
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| 19:00.07 | Titan8990 | N0way, anytime |
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| 19:01.23 | feisar | I have downloaded the squeeze alpha 1 net install, would you recommend using that or expert mode on a lenny install disk? |
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| 19:03.03 | hallucinium | hello, for an i7-860, do i need i386 or amd64? |
| 19:03.21 | petemc | hallucinium: depends if you want 32 or 64bit |
| 19:03.28 | salahuddin66 | feisar: could you please explain ? |
| 19:03.29 | hallucinium | petemc: 64bit |
| 19:03.43 | petemc | then use amd64 |
| 19:04.10 | hallucinium | oki petemc, thx. I thought the 64 bit was included in i386... :S |
| 19:04.26 | feisar | salahuddin66: I would like to install squeeze and I know it can be done using the lenny installer in 'expert' mode. Just wondered what was recommended |
| 19:05.28 | abrotman | feisar: i'd say to use the alpha, just for testing purposes .. submit any bugs you find, etc |
| 19:05.45 | feisar | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 19:05.50 | jhutchins_lt | hallucinium: i386 is compatible with the 64b chips and may be easier for desktop/multimedia use. amd64 requires that most if not all software be compiled for the new architecture. There are ways to run 32b software on a 64b base system, but it's complicated. |
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| 19:07.37 | hallucinium | jhutchins_lt: ok, i could make a 32 bit system chrooted in my 64bit, isn't it? |
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| 19:07.57 | salahuddin66 | feisar: you can install minimal system of lenny then edit /etc/apt/source.list set it to squeeze... apt-get dist-upgrade (i am not sure how you will able to do it directly from extert mode) |
| 19:08.00 | jhutchins_lt | hallucinium: I think that's one way. |
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| 19:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | feisar: Then again, the installer does need testing as much as the rest of the system. |
| 19:08.44 | feisar | im gunna use the alpha install cd |
| 19:08.44 | Titan8990 | salahuddin66, it asks you the repo... you just enter the squeeze repo location |
| 19:09.01 | Titan8990 | salahuddin66, in d-i expert mode that is |
| 19:09.09 | hallucinium | jhutchins_lt: i've read in debian book; i'll need to read it again |
| 19:09.36 | feisar | flash is available for amd64 now isn't it? |
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| 19:10.05 | feisar | ok here goes, good bye arch, hello debian... |
| 19:10.09 | salahuddin66 | Tital8990: yah it seems logically possible, but i did not tried it yet. I will test it soon, thanks |
| 19:13.22 | Titan8990 | salahuddin66, I have tried it, it works. Still, feel free to give it a go on your own |
| 19:13.23 | salahuddin66 | feisar: welcome, I am using debian since last 7 years and still happy with it.... |
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| 19:14.42 | hardbop200 | during the debian install, when you are asked to select and install pkgs, there are some categories - standard system, laptop, etc. is there a way you can tell what exactly is in those package selections? |
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| 19:15.26 | feisar | salahuddin66: thanks, I got fed up with using a bleeding edge distro. It's no good having the lastest packages if they don't work properly. Debian seems a sensible option |
| 19:16.00 | feisar | maybe I'm getting old! |
| 19:16.01 | Titan8990 | but you choose squeeze... |
| 19:16.23 | Titan8990 | hardbop200, not from inside the installer, atleast not that I know of |
| 19:16.38 | Titan8990 | never installs tasks from d-i |
| 19:16.48 | hardbop200 | Titan8990: tasks, that's what they are called |
| 19:16.53 | feisar | yeah i know, little bit of a contradiction there. I like KDE 4! At least with Squeeze I am working towards stability and can hopefully help out a bit |
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| 19:19.46 | Titan8990 | feisar, it is still and testing and likely will not see a release year (but there is a lot of speculation and discussion over that) |
| 19:20.23 | hardbop200 | tasksel --list-tasks <-- I learned something new ;) |
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| 19:20.29 | wols_ | hardbop200: in a another console frm the installer, you can try tashsel --help |
| 19:20.35 | wols_ | *tasksel --help |
| 19:21.00 | Titan8990 | I was thinking that you could do some aptitude search magic for tasks, but I am not seeing it |
| 19:21.41 | hardbop200 | tasksel --task-packages laptop <-- I've *always* wondered what that installed |
| 19:22.14 | feisar | Titan8990: really, no release until 2011 |
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| 19:23.02 | Titan8990 | feisar, original talked about release was late this year, but they have delayed the freeze twice now due to the number of release-critical bugs |
| 19:23.15 | feisar | i see |
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| 19:23.21 | Titan8990 | feisar, release will not come for some time after the freeze |
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| 19:26.00 | feisar | is there an issue with laptop drives parking to often with lenny? |
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| 19:28.34 | Titan8990 | what is parking? |
| 19:28.58 | pierre_le | hdd head going mad |
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| 19:29.58 | feisar | can I specify a uid during install? |
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| 19:30.22 | wols_ | uid for what? |
| 19:30.26 | wols_ | but afaik no |
| 19:30.27 | feisar | for me |
| 19:30.28 | pierre_le | feisar, look for hdparm and smartctl commands |
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| 19:30.54 | feisar | sorry I mean for my linux user |
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| 19:31.06 | feisar | that would be really useful |
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| 19:31.33 | f00bar80 | I tried this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40683 with modem but it's not working, as my usb modem is recognized as scasi sr0 , any comment ? |
| 19:32.11 | llutz | feisar: "man adduser" (--uid) |
| 19:32.29 | feisar | llutz: I mean during the install process |
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| 19:32.52 | llutz | feisar: afaik user will be created automatically with uid=1000 |
| 19:33.22 | llutz | feisar: so if you need a different uid, create a dummy-user and you "real-one" later with desired uid |
| 19:33.35 | llutz | your* |
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| 19:34.52 | feisar | that's what I always have to do when installing linux distros, it would be good if the installer offered a way to change it |
| 19:34.59 | lpb-oberon | http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg13365.html how do i downgrade autoconf? |
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| 19:37.45 | superlinux2 | hi. is there a way to view a CHM file directly as a website? |
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| 19:38.43 | Titan8990 | superlinux2, Microsoft Compiled HTML Help? |
| 19:38.47 | wols_ | superlinux2: there are several viewers and converters |
| 19:38.54 | pierre_le | superlinux2, chm2pdf |
| 19:39.02 | superlinux2 | Titan8990, yes guys |
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| 19:39.30 | superlinux2 | i want to keep the same formating of the book i have |
| 19:39.53 | Titan8990 | what book is that? |
| 19:39.54 | superlinux2 | i want my students be abel to follow me |
| 19:40.01 | wols_ | superlinux2: check one of the many programs dealing with chm, like pierre_le said or like chmsee, etc |
| 19:40.02 | superlinux2 | it's a CCNA book |
| 19:40.10 | superlinux2 | ok bro. true |
| 19:41.13 | Titan8990 | last I checked the cisco network simulator for CCNA will not run on linux |
| 19:41.52 | Titan8990 | but if you have real equipment to play with, its much better anyways |
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| 19:50.27 | f00bar80 | Anybody knows of a Driver for ZTE MF626 3G USB Modem ?? |
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| 19:51.05 | jnss | why's iwconfig essid 'somethin' always create a network no other device can join |
| 19:51.17 | jnss | this only happens on debian |
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| 19:52.21 | Titan8990 | jnss, that should associate with a network, not create one |
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| 19:52.33 | jnss | it creates one eventually |
| 19:52.59 | jnss | like: wlan0: Creating new IBSS network, BSSID be:fd:f6:2e:b5:ab |
| 19:53.00 | Titan8990 | you mean it starts broadcasting the essid as if it were an AP? |
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| 19:53.46 | jnss | both machines do. now, if this had been done on centos it would have associated |
| 19:54.01 | jnss | maybe it is a fedora or centos thing |
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| 20:10.26 | jhutchins_lt | jnss: It doesn't. |
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| 20:10.29 | SerajewelKS | gah |
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| 20:15.47 | Young_Luck | Hi! I'm running a script in the crontab which starts a service from /etc/init.d, among other things. The problem is that it appears to ignore the line that starts the service. The script works fine when I run it from the console. Can anyone give me some help, please? |
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| 20:18.25 | Armageddon | how can I share internet connection through a local network ? |
| 20:18.49 | wols_ | Armageddon: does your debian have 2 NICs? |
| 20:19.01 | Armageddon | wireless and lan |
| 20:19.03 | Armageddon | from wireless to lan |
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| 20:19.12 | wols_ | install ipmasq |
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| 20:20.37 | Armageddon | can't find it wols_ |
| 20:20.51 | xente | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:21.40 | wols_ | Armageddon: what's in your sources.list? |
| 20:22.05 | Armageddon | lemme pastebin |
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| 20:22.27 | Armageddon | !pastebin |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 20:22.50 | asdfg | Is there a place where I can get a precompiled kernel for amd64 that has Radeon KMS enabled? |
| 20:23.03 | wols_ | asdfg: check the bpo kernel. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 20:23.12 | Armageddon | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/63362/ |
| 20:23.40 | wols_ | Armageddon: you have the debian main repos, so you also have ipmasq |
| 20:23.42 | wols_ | ,versions ipmasq |
| 20:23.43 | judd | ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
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| 20:23.47 | wols_ | wtf? |
| 20:23.54 | j0sfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.03 | asdfg | wols_: Backports? I don't think that has KMS? I am running sid... |
| 20:24.32 | Armageddon | wols_ ? |
| 20:24.42 | Armageddon | wols_, I dont |
| 20:25.33 | wols_ | Armageddon: ipmasq is orphaned from squeeze onwards :( sorry |
| 20:25.43 | Armageddon | see |
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| 20:26.28 | Armageddon | wols_, I think its called sn onward or replaced by sn, http://packages.debian.org/testing/news/sn |
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| 20:27.11 | babilen | ,info sn |
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| 20:27.12 | judd | sn (news, optional): Small NNTP server for leaf sites. Version: 0.3.8-9.1; Size: 162.9k; Installed: 536k |
| 20:27.24 | babilen | Armageddon: Nope, that's not it |
| 20:27.36 | pallgone | nice... kernel 2.6.33 resolved the issues I had with the intel video driver... |
| 20:27.39 | wols_ | Armageddon: sn is a small newsserver |
| 20:27.48 | adb | ,info dnsmasq |
| 20:27.49 | judd | dnsmasq (net, optional): A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server. Version: 2.45-1+lenny1; Size: 11.8k; Installed: 108k |
| 20:27.55 | Armageddon | then what can I do to share internet ? |
| 20:28.00 | asdfg | I am looking for a precompiled amd64 Debian kernel that has radeon KMS enabled... does this exist? |
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| 20:28.13 | SimManiac | re |
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| 20:28.27 | userrlc | Hi I have an expresscard/34 usb 3.0 interface from buffalo, I read over the net that linux has support for usb 3.0 protocol but when I plug the card I see no trace in logs messages or syslog. Does anyone have try to run usb 3.0 under linux ? |
| 20:28.28 | babilen | !tell asdfg -about kernel compile |
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| 20:28.45 | babilen | asdfg: You might want to enable it in a (debian-derived) custom kernel |
| 20:29.04 | Armageddon | wols_, there is this option in firestarter but it doesn't work I already tried it |
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| 20:30.35 | Young_Luck | I'm running a script for restarting the proftpd service from time to time. It runs fine from the command line, but inside the crontab it seems to ignore the line "/etc/init.d/proftpd start". Can anyone help me, please? |
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| 20:33.21 | pallgone | userrlc: I suppose you would need the 2.6.31 kernel, got that? |
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| 20:35.57 | userrlc | pallgone, i'm under testing 2.6.32-trunk kernel |
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| 20:37.45 | userrlc | pallgone, maybe I have to rexstart the laptop in order to allow the kernel management of the expresscard, I don't know if it's an hotplug of the kernel like for usb for example |
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| 20:38.25 | asdf | grumbles |
| 20:42.26 | pallgone | asdf: I just noticed that KMS is active in the 2.6.33 I just compiled (intel) |
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| 20:43.33 | toad_ | how do i make kmail use my new gpg key? it is the default in .gnupg and kmail's config seems to use it and kgpg is set to use it by default and i have restarted kgpg |
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| 20:45.01 | toad_ | don't say ask on #kde - debian has an ancient version of kde so they probably won't know |
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| 20:47.57 | themill | toad_: it's configured per-identity in kmail. Have you set it in the identity that you're using to compose the message? |
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| 20:49.41 | toad_ | themill: that worked, thanks! |
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| 21:02.50 | ghDk | Why can I only create Jabber, Salut, and gtalk accounts in Empathy? In ubuntu I can create many more types of accounts |
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| 21:04.15 | hayleyw | ghDk, because you didnt read the faq |
| 21:04.37 | hayleyw | ghDk, http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#How_can_I_connect_to_.28a_protocol.29_in_Empathy_.3F |
| 21:04.50 | feisar | thanks for the help guys, Squeeze install went very smoothly and I now have a KDE 4 desktop to play with tomorrow :) |
| 21:05.00 | ghDk | Thanks hayleyw |
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| 21:07.35 | f00bar80 | On debian lenny trying to connect using wvdial and ZTE MF626 3G USB modem, i got The PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code =16) , and /var/log/messages shows http://pastebin.com/Nce4x0ja , any comment ?? or something i need to know from provider ? |
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| 21:13.45 | km | what effect does this line "auth required /lib/security/pam_tally.so no_magic_root" in system-auth have on the system? |
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| 21:25.34 | edeca | km: It counts attempted/failed logins |
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| 21:27.03 | km | is that all if does? counts linux |
| 21:27.04 | DJAnonimo | hello |
| 21:27.18 | DJAnonimo | im tring to compile streamtranscoder but i get some pack missing |
| 21:27.19 | DJAnonimo | configure: WARNING: libflac not installed |
| 21:27.24 | DJAnonimo | and liblame... |
| 21:27.32 | DJAnonimo | how can i properly install them ? |
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| 21:27.44 | edeca | km: It counts failed logins and reset upon success I believe |
| 21:27.55 | km | does making change to system-auth would causing server apps to failed like ftp or apache? |
| 21:27.59 | edeca | km: So you can display a message like "4 failed logins since last successful authentication" |
| 21:28.28 | edeca | Server apps shouldn't fail due to that, describe your problem? |
| 21:28.42 | km | what program using this service, other than linux login |
| 21:29.37 | km | our client has apache ftp server running and they make changes to system-auth file |
| 21:29.58 | edeca | Well any module which _authenticates_ against PAM will hit that line |
| 21:30.01 | km | and apache server start have problem 4 days later |
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| 21:30.10 | edeca | So if your FTP server authenticates using _system logins_, then it will hit that |
| 21:30.18 | km | i wonder that changes cause the problem. |
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| 21:30.31 | edeca | Grab a system-auth from a working machine and compare? |
| 21:30.37 | km | not sure.but that problem are |
| 21:30.43 | DJAnonimo | guys, how can i install liblame, this atp-get does not exist anymore |
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| 21:31.03 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: How did you install streamtranscoder? |
| 21:31.04 | wols | ,versions liblame0 |
| 21:31.06 | judd | liblame0 -- etch-multimedia: 3.97-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 3.97-0.0 |
| 21:31.11 | wols | ,versions liblame |
| 21:31.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'liblame' was found. |
| 21:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: What release are you running? |
| 21:31.36 | DJAnonimo | Couldn't find package liblame-dev |
| 21:31.46 | DJAnonimo | debian 4.... |
| 21:32.13 | km | edeca: reference connection timeout (some users experience connection drop) and some users files upload end up in zero byte size |
| 21:32.25 | j0sfg | q |
| 21:32.33 | edeca | km: Doesn't sound like a PAM issue to me. Looked at things like firewalls? |
| 21:32.40 | j0sfg | quit |
| 21:32.43 | edeca | Sounds like a classic passive FTP problem |
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| 21:32.45 | km | ok |
| 21:32.46 | j0sfg | q |
| 21:32.47 | edeca | j0sfg: Fail! ;) |
| 21:32.51 | edeca | j0sfg: Try /quit |
| 21:32.53 | wols | j0sfg: /qut |
| 21:33.05 | km | like what classic passive ftp problem |
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| 21:33.27 | edeca | FTP doesn't work very well through firewalls without proper FTP connection tracking |
| 21:33.32 | edeca | Both at client and server end |
| 21:33.38 | wols | km: simply don't use ftp via NAT. use sftp instead |
| 21:33.59 | edeca | Yes, sftp or scp are so much nicer :) |
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| 21:34.17 | km | ok |
| 21:34.21 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: Do you have multimedia sources installed? |
| 21:34.28 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: How did you install streamtranscoder? |
| 21:34.49 | DJAnonimo | i've unpacked stream streamtranscoder .gz |
| 21:34.51 | wols | DJAnonimo: does dmm still have etch repos? |
| 21:35.01 | wols | ah, yes it does |
| 21:35.05 | DJAnonimo | and did ./configure |
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| 21:35.13 | DJAnonimo | and lame is missing |
| 21:35.28 | DJAnonimo | no multimedia sources installed... |
| 21:35.59 | wols | DJAnonimo: then you know what you have to do |
| 21:36.13 | wols | besides upgrading from a non-supported debian version of course |
| 21:36.13 | DJAnonimo | yea, just need to know how to do :P |
| 21:36.30 | wols | !tell DJAnonimo about dmm |
| 21:36.42 | wols | but you should really upgrade to lenny first /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 21:38.46 | DJAnonimo | im scared about do such changes on this machine. etch->lenny asks for a lot of changes |
| 21:39.06 | robbe- | Does anyone have some experience in setting up a video streaming server on debian? |
| 21:39.36 | wols | etch is unsupported. no security updates anymore. sooner or later you have to upgrade. and if the machine is publically on the internet, it's criminal not to update. sooner or later you will be hacked if you don't |
| 21:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: One word: backup. |
| 21:39.49 | wols | !tell robbe- about anyone |
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| 21:40.04 | DJAnonimo | robbe-: as i rememver icecast can stream video too |
| 21:41.14 | DJAnonimo | jhutchins: its a remote machine and if something fails i cant restore anything |
| 21:41.23 | robbe- | Ok I'll reformulate the question: what are good alternatives for setting up a video streaming server on debian? |
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| 21:42.23 | rdz | hi all. i would like to create a package for a personal archive from cvs sources. the current version seems to be 1.2.0pre1. however, i don't want 1.2.0pre1 to supersede 1.2.0. shall i just use the latest upstream release version instead? |
| 21:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: All I can say is I've done etch->lenny upgrades to three systems without having to have physical access. |
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| 21:44.20 | rdz | robbe-, not that i have any experience with video myself, but there is also ffserver from ffmpeg |
| 21:44.32 | rdz | robbe-, what is bad about icecast? |
| 21:44.35 | DJAnonimo | yea, but probably you got a lot of experiences on linux |
| 21:45.37 | abrotman | DJAnonimo: why can't you back it up to a local machine ? |
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| 21:46.13 | mcsmurf | i, I have a question regarding preseeding (installer), when I include additional packages like this "d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server" in the config file, will this then automatically also install all packages this one depends on? |
| 21:46.22 | robbe- | rdz: Nothing, I'm taking hints on which good stable projects to explore as I never worked with streaming software. I'm reading about icecast now, and will read about ffserver after that. Thank you for the suggestion. |
| 21:46.40 | DJAnonimo | abrotman: backup what ? i can just my configuration files |
| 21:46.53 | DJAnonimo | and if the machine fails start what can i do... |
| 21:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: I think what we're suggesting is that you backup the whole system, that way you can roll back if you have problems with the upgrade. |
| 21:48.25 | DJAnonimo | how to roll back if i cant access anymore ? |
| 21:48.44 | robbe- | rdz: As far as I can tell for the moment, it can only stream theora, this might be a downside :) (To still answer to your previous question.) |
| 21:48.50 | Titan8990 | DJAnonimo, remote serial console |
| 21:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: What kind of service does the datacenter probvide? Can they get you booted to a CD? |
| 21:49.27 | DJAnonimo | yea, but in that way the server will be down for days, and thats a big problem |
| 21:49.53 | rdz | robbe-, ah, i didn't know that.. iirc, ffserver gives you more freedom |
| 21:50.37 | Titan8990 | DJAnonimo, *ahem*, you could hire a debian admin.... I have a recommendation :) |
| 21:50.45 | abrotman | DJAnonimo: and when your machine is compromised because your OS no longer recieves security updates .. how long will you be down then? |
| 21:51.58 | wols | not to mention when all the data is stolen |
| 21:52.01 | DJAnonimo | i hope i will think about it then =) |
| 21:52.20 | wols | better do more than hope |
| 21:52.35 | DJAnonimo | its a small server, with just few steram servers |
| 21:52.37 | DJAnonimo | nothing more |
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| 21:53.14 | wols | DJAnonimo: an excellent C&C for a bot center. just be prepared when (not if) the police comes knocking for you with a warrant if you're unlucky |
| 21:53.27 | wols | s/bot center/botnet/ |
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| 21:54.38 | DJAnonimo | why police ? |
| 21:55.09 | wols | cause the botnet will do something criminal with your server. botnet masters are criminals, you know? |
| 21:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: On a more serious note, you'll have much better luck working with newer software packages if you do upgrade. |
| 21:55.14 | Titan8990 | because someone could use your server to carry out a crime |
| 21:55.17 | xand | er, is there a way to allow a mortal user to mount -o loop *any* iso file? |
| 21:55.28 | DJAnonimo | the users on the server can do criminal jobs too, but what can i do =) |
| 21:55.56 | wols | you can choose the users you want, you cannot choose the criminals who hack your server |
| 21:56.11 | Titan8990 | surely they don't have root access? I guess they don't need since etch is vulnerable to that local priv escalation... mmap related null pointer dereference I think |
| 21:56.33 | DJAnonimo | if i upgrade, i will need to reinstall all the softwares and recompile ? |
| 21:56.48 | Titan8990 | what did you compile? |
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| 21:57.02 | jaggz | Why do I need to run ipmasq to get my networking working? It suddenly stopped working after a reboot a few days ago. |
| 21:57.05 | DJAnonimo | source codes... |
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| 21:57.09 | wols | your debian software will upgrade automatically. your self compiled will stay as it is. we cannot say if it still runs. most probably will but no guarantees |
| 21:57.32 | xand | jaggz: generally you do not. |
| 21:57.34 | wols | jaggz: ipmasq is to initialized a NAT router for your network |
| 21:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: It should upgrade whatever you've installed from .deb packages, but stuff you compiled won't upgrade. |
| 21:57.59 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: It would be a good idea to see if a sutible package is available for lenny. |
| 21:58.05 | xand | DJAnonimo: hopefully you've put self-compiled software in the right place e.g. /usr/local |
| 21:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: This is why doing a lot of compiled installations is discouraged. |
| 21:58.25 | DJAnonimo | who knows =) |
| 21:58.34 | jaggz | my network traffic was all suddenly failing. "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted", even as root. finally found a page saying ipmasq fixes it, but noone knows why. |
| 21:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: If you're doing more than a couple of packages it's best to build .deb's |
| 21:58.46 | jaggz | http://blog.technogeek.biz/2009/05/ping-sendmsg-operation-not-permitted-in.html |
| 21:59.07 | Titan8990 | jaggz, what version of debian are you on? |
| 21:59.08 | jaggz | sure enough, running ipmasq with no options got it working |
| 21:59.11 | jaggz | Lenny |
| 21:59.41 | DJAnonimo | first i need to update Etch ? |
| 21:59.55 | macrobat | for beeping to stop, is it not enough to put pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
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| 22:00.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell DJAnonimo about etch->lenny |
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| 22:00.39 | Titan8990 | macrobat, yes, but you should create a new file, don't use any existing files in modprobe.d |
| 22:01.20 | macrobat | filename should be anything ending with .conf? |
| 22:01.24 | Titan8990 | macrobat, those files will be overwritten on a release upgrade. make a new file called "local" in that dir and add "blacklist pcspkr" |
| 22:01.32 | Titan8990 | macrobat, anything at all |
| 22:01.36 | jaggz | tyes, just like "blacklist" ends in .conf |
| 22:01.53 | jaggz | :D |
| 22:02.17 | macrobat | meh, i got so much spam in another distro about conf files not ending in "conf" |
| 22:02.28 | DJAnonimo | when i do aptitude update i get : Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:02.37 | macrobat | ty |
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| 22:02.54 | DJAnonimo | a lot of URLs listed |
| 22:02.55 | jaggz | .conf is too long of a suffix |
| 22:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: We know what it looks like. |
| 22:03.15 | jaggz | some single latin char like a c with a dot on it would be good ;) |
| 22:03.21 | DJAnonimo | what i need to do with this list ? :) |
| 22:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | DJAnonimo: Just watch it go by. |
| 22:03.45 | Titan8990 | this... is going to end in disaster |
| 22:03.50 | AimHere | Ä <- that? |
| 22:04.24 | jhutchins_lt | I usually keep my source entries commented out unless I need something, shaves some time off of update. |
| 22:04.38 | jaggz | what the.. my screen just went blank and now I can't see anything .. did someone do that? |
| 22:04.46 | abrotman | you type well though .. |
| 22:04.47 | jaggz | kidding, aim. |
| 22:04.49 | xand | what program will create a udf image, like genisoimage creates an iso9660 one? |
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| 22:04.56 | AimHere | Awww |
| 22:05.56 | jaggz | can mkfs* type utils create image files? |
| 22:06.05 | jaggz | I don't have a udf one though |
| 22:06.11 | andreiutz | Hi |
| 22:06.27 | adb | salut |
| 22:06.35 | jaggz | Aim, yeah, why waste the cache space.. there was some 15 character limit to the directory cache.. maybe filenames don't go in that anyway |
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| 22:07.16 | jaggz | I looked into the kernel source but I don't recall the details.. maybe it should be /u/ instead of /usr/ and /l/ etc. |
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| 22:08.09 | LuciusMare | Hello, how to install an usb printer? KDE does not seem to see it at all, and i can add only a network printer |
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| 22:18.26 | pcc1 | is it possible to determine what version of a package I had installed at a previous point in time? |
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| 22:18.39 | dondelelcaro | pcc1: /var/log/dpkg.log or similar |
| 22:18.59 | pcc1 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:19.00 | dondelelcaro | pcc1: you may also be able to find out from /var/backups/; |
| 22:19.19 | dondelelcaro | pcc1: though it has to be relatively recent in both cases |
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| 22:36.02 | aleray | Can I install an experiement version of awesome wm with lenny ? |
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| 22:40.35 | zumbi | aleray: it is not recommended, use backports.org instead |
| 22:40.36 | amphi | !tell aleray -about ssb |
| 22:41.19 | aleray | zumbi, can't find a recent version of awesome in backport. But maybe I did search correctly? Is it possible it's not in backport ? |
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| 22:41.49 | zumbi | aleray: read dpkg query, he says it all |
| 22:41.59 | aleray | zumbi, sorry |
| 22:42.15 | zumbi | aleray: no problem, sorry for nothing :-) |
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| 22:42.43 | zumbi | aleray: the idea is that at least you need to compile against your system libraries |
| 22:43.11 | zumbi | aleray: you might have to compile the libraries itself if those are not in lenny as well, that's a backport :-) |
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| 22:47.39 | aleray | anotehr question: I can't remeber that programm to output video signal from the vga output (xinerama replacement?). Any idea ? |
| 22:48.15 | aleray | never mind... xrandr |
| 22:50.47 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:08.47 | biggimat | Hey there. When booting Debian X automatically start - how do you interrupt X starting and only go to command line? |
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| 23:09.15 | Joint | biggimat, killall gdm and then update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 23:09.17 | Joint | and that's it |
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| 23:09.42 | biggimat | I don't mean that. I need to break X starting because there's an error and I cannot access anything at this point |
| 23:09.56 | biggimat | I remember there was a combo of keyboard buttons but can't remember what |
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| 23:12.51 | wols | biggimat: you have 2 entries per kernel in your boot menu. use the other one |
| 23:13.41 | biggimat | Hum...err...okay |
| 23:13.45 | biggimat | Thanks for the input :) |
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| 23:27.27 | Level-Zero | hi |
| 23:27.43 | icebrain | !greet Level-Zero |
| 23:27.43 | dpkg | Tag, Level-Zero |
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| 23:30.09 | aleray | I have a 800x600 screen and I'd like to beam on a 1024x768 resolution. can I mirror my display to that it fits both outputs ? |
| 23:30.29 | aleray | (otherwise I get my smaller screen sliced) |
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| 23:31.25 | km0ti0n | humm I must be being stoopid, can't change perms on a folder to allow selected user rw access |
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| 23:32.13 | km0ti0n | chown -Rv MY_USER /folder echos : changed ownership of `...' to .. |
| 23:32.34 | eviltoaster | ehm debian5 and ushare deb? |
| 23:32.43 | eviltoaster | dead? |
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| 23:33.45 | km0ti0n | and chmod -Rv 666 /folder echos mode of mode of '...' changed to (rw-rw-rw-) |
| 23:34.16 | km0ti0n | btu still the user can't read or write to the folder. |
| 23:34.35 | km0ti0n | eviltoaster: that at me? |
| 23:34.50 | themill | km0ti0n: you need to give execute permissions to the directory. And you probably don't want to give permissions to everyone like that. |
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| 23:35.14 | eviltoaster | km0ti0n, no sry |
| 23:35.30 | km0ti0n | themill: I was giveing that level b/c nothiong else was working. |
| 23:35.49 | km0ti0n | so i +x? |
| 23:36.03 | themill | yes |
| 23:36.18 | themill | not recursive though... just on the directory |
| 23:36.43 | km0ti0n | oh man, thanks for that. |
| 23:36.50 | km0ti0n | thanks the ticket. |
| 23:37.04 | km0ti0n | /s/the/thats the/ |
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| 23:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I suppose one could cook up a find expression that would set +x on directories only. |
| 23:39.46 | km0ti0n | t's a blank drive. I was using the -Rv b/c I couldn't write. |
| 23:40.40 | nervousTwitch | trying to monitor fans is lm sensors still the way to do that? |
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| 23:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | nervousTwitch: Yep. |
| 23:41.08 | nervousTwitch | ok |
| 23:41.43 | Level-Zero | is there software in GNU/Linux land equivalent to daemon tools program run under ms-windows which used to run as virtual CD/DVD |
| 23:42.24 | km0ti0n | Level-Zero: I've only used that to mount iso's, just mount the iso. |
| 23:42.44 | km0ti0n | unless you need to do somethnig special with it? |
| 23:43.29 | Level-Zero | i have some cbt iso and want to run in linux instead of winXP |
| 23:43.47 | km0ti0n | been a few years but IIRC : mount /mnt/somepath /path/to/your.iso |
| 23:43.52 | themill | jhutchins_lt: +X is there for that. (Or use find -type d) |
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| 23:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | See, this is why I love this channel. |
| 23:44.49 | themill | :) |
| 23:47.46 | macrobat | Level-Zero: mount -o loop |
| 23:47.58 | Level-Zero | i will try |
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| 23:51.19 | km0ti0n | I've got a new debian box setup that I'm using as a NAS server, running NFS. What's the most appropriate owner / grp should I use for the perms? |
| 23:52.04 | km0ti0n | I thought root users but can't remember if there's actualyl a grp users, |
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| 23:56.25 | TMM | hi all! |
| 23:56.34 | TMM | are there ready-made usb boot images for sid? |
| 23:56.59 | TMM | livehelper isn't working for me |
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| 23:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | TMM: Not that I know of. |
| 23:58.06 | TMM | hmmm.. that unetbootin stuff is also not working it seems. The stick isn't bootable according to my bios |
| 23:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | TMM: Given what sid is supposed to be I wouldn't expect to find them. |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | or your BIOS doesn't boot USB |
| 23:58.43 | TMM | abrotman, no, it works with some other images. |
| 23:59.01 | TMM | those are too old though, I need a rather recent kernel :) |
| 23:59.13 | wols | !tell tmm about kmuto |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | uhm .. if it's not even attempting to boot the image, you've done something wrong |
| 23:59.20 | wols | and do the usb install the debian way |
| 23:59.24 | eviltoaster | TMM, i installed squeeze with netinstall from cd to my usb stick. |
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| 23:59.54 | TMM | hmm.. kmuto |
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