| 00:00.05 | evil_ | I'm trying to compile a new kernel |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:00.20 | TMM | wols, I'll try that boot.img |
| 00:00.22 | TMM | wols, thanks :) |
| 00:00.43 | evil_ | when compilation is finished it tries to generate the .deb file |
| 00:00.49 | evil_ | but i get Permission Denied |
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| 00:01.53 | evil_ | i use : fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom1.0 kernel_image |
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| 00:02.53 | wols | echo "blah" > ../foo |
| 00:03.05 | evil_ | i get it that its because my /usr/src folder is owned by root and i'm not root |
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| 00:03.16 | evil_ | should i compile with sudo? |
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| 00:03.45 | TMM | evil_, you shouldn't really use /usr/src for that, it's better to do it in your homedir |
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| 00:04.19 | evil_ | ooooh |
| 00:04.22 | evil_ | ok |
| 00:04.30 | userrlc | where can i find pciehp for debian testing ? If i run insmod pciehp it seem that the pci express module is missing |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | userrlc: you should be using modprobe |
| 00:04.42 | userrlc | 2.6.32-trunk |
| 00:04.44 | evil_ | cuz a lot of tutorials were telling me to copy everything there first, i guess its copy everything there last |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | userrlc: uname -r |
| 00:06.17 | Level-Zero | i make { mkdir /mnt/my-cd-dvd } by root user then { chmod 777 /mnt/my-cd-dvd } then { mount -o loop /mnt/my-cd-dvd/ /mnt/sdb6/share1/5/h-linuxcbtrhel5.iso |
| 00:06.17 | userrlc | abrotman : 2.6.32-trunk-amd64, i'm trying to use a new usb 3.0 express card interface on, my laptop :) |
| 00:06.18 | Level-Zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | userrlc: on -686 i have it |
| 00:07.15 | abrotman | Level-Zero: man mount |
| 00:07.24 | Level-Zero | ok bro |
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| 00:11.53 | martianlobster | I need to store coredumps, from this program, but the system isn't allowing the core dumps to be saved. I think because they are too large. I had this same problem a long time ago. I had to change some system parameter, but I can't remember the command. Does anyone know? Could you remind me? |
| 00:12.15 | eviltoaster | "Couldn't find package libixml" |
| 00:12.16 | eviltoaster | :S |
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| 00:13.03 | userrlc | abrotman, Do you know how can I check if my express card port is running properly ? Can I find something in a log file ? |
| 00:13.19 | abrotman | userrlc: dmesg perhaps ? .. did you find oyur module ? |
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| 00:13.43 | userrlc | abrotman, yes it's now up and running with hotplug |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | hotplug ? |
| 00:13.58 | abrotman | oh .. not the program |
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| 00:16.17 | userrlc | abrotman, there's no return from dmesg when I insert the express card into the port of the laptop |
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| 00:16.37 | abrotman | userrlc: tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | userrlc: try again |
| 00:16.54 | userrlc | abrotman, that's what i've done |
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| 00:17.33 | abrotman | userrlc: wait a minute .. or try another action |
| 00:17.56 | eviltoaster | where can i find libixml |
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| 00:19.02 | Level-Zero | eviltoaster which libixml |
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| 00:19.19 | nat2610 | is there a bot on this chan to find out where to get missin packages ? |
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| 00:19.31 | abrotman | nat2610: be less vague please |
| 00:19.42 | eviltoaster | Level-Zero, i dont know "Checking for libixml ...Error, can't find libixml !" |
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| 00:19.47 | nat2610 | bot chan ? ;) |
| 00:19.54 | eviltoaster | Level-Zero, trying to install ushare again |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | nat2610: make more damn sense ... your question makes none |
| 00:20.04 | eviltoaster | dunno how i did last time.. |
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| 00:20.50 | Level-Zero | in my system : which libixml |
| 00:20.51 | Level-Zero | which: no libixml in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin) |
| 00:21.02 | nat2610 | I want to install for exmaple libgssapi-krb5-2 |
| 00:21.05 | Level-Zero | nothing |
| 00:21.11 | nat2610 | but I can't find a .deb for it |
| 00:21.13 | nat2610 | or a repo |
| 00:21.30 | nat2610 | and apt-get.org neither |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | nat2610: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 00:22.14 | nat2610 | 2.6.30.9.RNx86_64.2.2 |
| 00:22.24 | nat2610 | it's a nas box from netgear |
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| 00:22.32 | eviltoaster | Level-Zero, do you have ushare installed? |
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| 00:22.39 | abrotman | nat2610: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:22.45 | Level-Zero | idk |
| 00:22.45 | abrotman | what's the version |
| 00:22.49 | nat2610 | 2.7-18lenny1 |
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| 00:23.20 | abrotman | nat2610: you'd have to create your own backport .. it may or may not work .. you're not using Debian |
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| 00:24.15 | nat2610 | lenny is not debian ? |
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| 00:24.50 | eviltoaster | nat2610, lenny is one of all versions |
| 00:25.18 | Level-Zero | my info lenny is last stable version of debian |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | nat2610: you don't hve a debian kenrel .. who knows what else isn't from Debian |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | !tell nat2610 about ssb |
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| 00:32.01 | userrlc | abrotman, it seem that the kernel doesn't react to the expresscard insertion, as i've a dualboot i'll try it under the other os to check as it's a new device if it's running properly and be back |
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| 00:36.31 | Level-Zero | excuse me if i try to run my machine but without firewall { because not learn how make iptables rules yet } with public static IP address i.e connect to world ,can someone intruder me , i run only http , ftp , ssh but root not allowed to log via ssh , only one account can use ssh and i'm only know this account :-) .... is this dangerous ? ... just until learn iptables |
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| 00:37.19 | abrotman | ftp is dangerous .. there's nothign you can do about that |
| 00:37.55 | krisfremen | why not jsut use sftp? |
| 00:37.57 | Level-Zero | ftp anonymous only |
| 00:38.12 | krisfremen | even worse |
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| 00:38.30 | abrotman | Level-Zero: upload or download ? |
| 00:39.00 | Level-Zero | just little mirror so download only :) |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | so just use http |
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| 00:39.44 | _Trinity_ | anyone know why one might not be able to post to one channel on freenode but to another no problem on the same freenode servic on the same program? |
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| 00:40.16 | krisfremen | _Trinity_: moderated channel? |
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| 00:40.24 | abrotman | _Trinity_: ask #freenode |
| 00:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | If I said "Soviet Flying Tank built in a shipyard", is this what you would imagine? http://igor113.livejournal.com/51213.html |
| 00:41.18 | _Trinity_ | it's macosx |
| 00:41.24 | _Trinity_ | #macosx |
| 00:41.36 | _Trinity_ | I could post before |
| 00:42.11 | jhutchins_lt | Oops. How did this window get cleared? Sorry for theot. |
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| 00:46.43 | Level-Zero | in case run without firewall ... but limited services is this dangerous , what chance to penetration .. only via this services if mis-configured ...or what ? my info GNU/Linux is secure unless we make something wrong |
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| 00:48.22 | _Trinity_ | I wonder if I got banned, sometime after taking a stance against some linux cr@p about linux frying apple hardware |
| 00:49.22 | dkr | _Trinity_: some channels require registered nicks |
| 00:49.52 | Level-Zero | like #centos |
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| 00:52.36 | Level-Zero | how can we choose IPv6 number in linux like 2001:470:9c79:88:219:d1ff:fe96:8ef4 for example |
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| 00:55.24 | Level-Zero | all people go to sleep :) or very busy |
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| 00:57.11 | adhoc | Level-Zero: is it a private subnet ? |
| 00:57.25 | adhoc | or is it publicly routed ? |
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| 00:57.53 | Level-Zero | my inf any IPv6 start with 2001: is public |
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| 00:58.53 | Level-Zero | s/inf/info |
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| 01:00.28 | Level-Zero | thanks to all |
| 01:00.50 | Level-Zero | go to sleep its 3:00 am |
| 01:00.58 | Level-Zero | thanks again |
| 01:02.05 | userrlc | abrotman, I restart under my other testing kernel version and now after loading the pciehp module into the kernel I have this output from lspci : 0d:00.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation Device 0194 (rev 03), but the usb 3.0 expresscard doesn't work yet |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | userrlc: lspci -nn might be more helpful |
| 01:03.29 | userrlc | abrotman, 0d:00.0 USB Controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation Device [1033:0194] (rev 03) |
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| 01:04.31 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1033:0194 |
| 01:04.33 | judd | [1033:0194] is 'Unknown device' from 'NEC Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1033:0194 |
| 01:04.37 | abrotman | awesome |
| 01:05.29 | userrlc | abrotman, all is working under win7 for information |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | userrlc: i'm sure .. but there doesn't appear to be a direct driver for it |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | in linux any way |
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| 01:07.57 | userrlc | abrotman, judd it's a buffalo expresscard IFC-EC2U3/UC http://www.buffalotech.com/products/external-storage/storage-accessories/usb-30-expresscard-adapter/ |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | userrlc: judd is a bot |
| 01:08.21 | userrlc | based on nec usb 3.0 chipset |
| 01:08.28 | userrlc | oups :) |
| 01:08.50 | abrotman | userrlc: we use judd to see if there is a driver that claims to run that card .. in this case, there doesn't seem to be one |
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| 01:09.21 | userrlc | abrotman, 3.0 is quite new so I have to wait :( |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | userrlc: you might want to ask ##kernel or check the most recent source to see if support has been added |
| 01:11.08 | userrlc | abrotman, ok, and i'll do dumping at buffalo support for the forgotten linux customers as often ;) |
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| 01:12.03 | steve__ | is anyone else having trouble getting the package libfuse2? |
| 01:12.25 | steve__ | oh nevermind |
| 01:13.07 | steve__ | why is it that when i install the uml-utilities package it does not come with the utility tunctl? |
| 01:13.53 | steve__ | according to this, uml-utilities is supposed to come with tunctl: http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/uml-utilities |
| 01:14.09 | steve__ | i just installed the package and it is not on my system. |
| 01:15.14 | km | should i use pmap or mmap to check on process shared memory usage? |
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| 01:18.46 | km | what tool can i use to determind apache shared memory? |
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| 01:24.04 | o2T7 | km: ipcs? |
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| 01:26.38 | km | hmmm... thanks |
| 01:27.08 | AliceMargatroid | Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. |
| 01:28.20 | steve__ | can someone help me? i installed a couple packages: uml-utilities and bridge-utils but the commands for these utilities are nowhere to be found. |
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| 01:30.07 | themill | AliceMargatroid: now that you've read and understood Gödel Escher Bach, you can stop pasting that into every channel you're in, thanks. |
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| 01:30.55 | nervousTwitch | i did an install yesterday and there is an option to use the ubuntu software manager anyone know how to get rid of that? |
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| 01:32.02 | themill | nervousTwitch: do you mean "synaptic"? |
| 01:32.13 | douglas | My new CPU and motherboard arrive tomorrow. The CPU is an Intel G6950. I have been running Debian (Testing) for some years. ... As this is my first 64 bit processor, I have 2 questions ... Should I download the current ia64 netinst iso and how do I run my old 32bit packages? |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | or the gnome update-manager |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | douglas: ia64 is definitely *wrong* |
| 01:32.37 | nervousTwitch | nope is is ubuntu software manager |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: i doubt it |
| 01:32.53 | nervousTwitch | i can read |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: it's one of the two things we already said .. |
| 01:33.08 | themill | nervousTwitch: did you install ubuntu not debian then? |
| 01:33.17 | douglas | abrotman, please explain why? |
| 01:33.21 | nervousTwitch | nope its debian |
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| 01:33.26 | abrotman | douglas: because you don't have an ia64 CPU |
| 01:33.33 | themill | nervousTwitch: well... if you installed the package, then you can remove it. |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 01:34.18 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | douglas: and, as for amd64 vs i386 .. that's up to you |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | douglas: one deterrent for amd64 is 3rd-party-binary-only software that doesn't work well on amd64 |
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| 01:36.54 | nervousTwitch | its actually called ubuntu software center |
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| 01:37.41 | nervousTwitch | and I did not install it but i will try and remove it |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: "apt-cache search ubuntu software center" .. returns nothing on squeeze |
| 01:39.14 | DogBoy | heh |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: what is 'uname -r' |
| 01:40.02 | nervousTwitch | booting in now |
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| 01:41.21 | nervousTwitch | fsck... sorry |
| 01:41.23 | abrotman | bye! :) |
| 01:42.33 | pcc1 | is there a tool to quickly generate emails with attachments at the command line? I don't want to send the emails, I just want the contents with headers etc. |
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| 01:45.56 | nervoustwitch | user@debian:~$ uname -aLinux debian 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | still no ubuntu software center |
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| 01:47.10 | rudi_s_ | pcc1: mutt? |
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| 01:47.27 | rudi_s_ | Not 100% scriptable though. |
| 01:48.01 | pcc1 | rudi_s_: yes. that was what I was using. but I need to go through a TUI for each email. I need to generate about 30 of them. |
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| 01:48.39 | rudi_s_ | pcc1: You could also do it with the PHP PEAR Mail package (I know I know, PHP, had to do it once ..) |
| 01:48.50 | rudi_s_ | Not sure about Perl, Python, .. |
| 01:49.11 | nervoustwitch | this is the about Ubuntu Software Center 1.1debian1 |
| 01:49.20 | rudi_s_ | pcc1: But if it's only 30 then I would just use mutt ... |
| 01:49.35 | abrotman | nervoustwitch: find the package name |
| 01:49.53 | pcc1 | rudi_s_: thanks. I guess I'll just do it that way |
| 01:50.14 | rudi_s_ | pcc1: Are you already using the -H -a etc. options? |
| 01:51.43 | pcc1 | rudi_s_: I was using -a, and I guess I can speed it up by using -H and so on. thanks |
| 01:51.53 | rudi_s_ | np |
| 01:52.55 | nervoustwitch | in synaptic its called software center |
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| 01:53.42 | nervoustwitch | in system administration is ubuntu software center |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | PACKAGE NAME |
| 01:54.39 | nervoustwitch | software-center |
| 01:54.58 | nervoustwitch | 1.1debian1 |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=software-center |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | nervoustwitch: no idea where you got that .. never seen it .. have fun with it |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | doesn't think it sounds useful |
| 01:56.50 | nervoustwitch | thanks |
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| 02:05.39 | _Trinity_ | anyone using lxde here? or perhaps the maintainer is around? |
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| 02:07.26 | _Trinity_ | installing lxde-settings-daemon conflicts with lxde (backports) itself |
| 02:07.34 | peterrooney | _Trinity_: why not check #lxde first? |
| 02:07.52 | abrotman | _Trinity_: which version of debian ? |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | oh .. backports .. |
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| 02:09.19 | peterrooney | abrotman: you cringed, the last time you asked him that question. |
| 02:09.34 | peterrooney | well, the last time he answered, actually. |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | he's the one mixing all the versions of debian .. or something |
| 02:10.19 | peterrooney | abrotman: AND running on powerpc ... brave. |
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| 02:36.31 | _Trinity_ | peterrooney: and what makes you think I didn' t? |
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| 02:37.07 | _Trinity_ | abrotman: backports, yes |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | hides |
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| 02:47.20 | hatoon | I downloaded all the files but I have no idea how to start building? |
| 02:47.35 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:48.22 | hatoon | anybody here already compiled the new kde4.4.1 in debian? |
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| 02:50.27 | hatoon | someone ? |
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| 02:54.28 | Rapsodius | I compiled my own kernel, but despite passing --initrd to make-kpkg, the initial ram disk didn't created and because of this my new kernel can't boot any ideas on this one? |
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| 02:57.21 | CodyLane | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268189459.jpg do my tits look big? |
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| 02:59.55 | hacker_kid | i have two servers that stick at 0 while downloading libxfixes3 (a package required by ruby-full), the network connection is fine and i seem to be able to install other packages |
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| 03:01.30 | hacker_kid | well umm nevermind, after hanging for a good fifteen minutes it finally downloaded |
| 03:02.52 | Rapsodius | I compiled my own kernel, but despite passing --initrd to make-kpkg, the initial ram disk didn't created and because of this my new kernel can't boot any ideas on this one? |
| 03:03.48 | adb | abrotman, CodyLane will come back with a new spam , he doing it on all #debian on oftc |
| 03:04.06 | adb | in last 2 days |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | adb: keeps changing IPs |
| 03:04.14 | ^Willie^ | hi there |
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| 03:04.30 | adb | abrotman, i know |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | adb: and names .. and idents .. not much i can do |
| 03:05.07 | ^Willie^ | is there any reason why the zr36067 card support is not included by default in debian current ? |
| 03:05.27 | abrotman | and i'm sure it's a carefully crafted jpg |
| 03:05.41 | Joint | hey i got a question, how do you, put you're own name for the kernel? |
| 03:05.56 | ^Willie^ | the kernel drivers are there if not users can compile there own kernel from the config that is there but app's like mplayer do need to be recompiled |
| 03:06.00 | abrotman | and changing filenames |
| 03:06.27 | Drakeson | dear dpkg, once you told me about cloning a system, using debootstrap, I guess. now I cannot remember the term that triggers that factoid. |
| 03:07.13 | ^Willie^ | Drakeson: tar whole / and untar it somewhere else ? |
| 03:07.24 | Drakeson | ,installation-howto |
| 03:07.43 | Drakeson | , installation-howto |
| 03:07.59 | ^Willie^ | hmmzz coffea is ready make some food 4:00 morning .. and no clue when i did go to bed or how i did endup in my bed anyway :S |
| 03:08.08 | Drakeson | deboostrap ? |
| 03:08.29 | Drakeson | what character triggers dpkg? |
| 03:08.41 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:08.41 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | Drakeson: to clone a whole system, or just the package list? |
| 03:10.30 | Drakeson | just the packages |
| 03:10.50 | Drakeson | there is a way using debootstrap, chroot, etc. |
| 03:11.21 | Drakeson | !cloning |
| 03:12.18 | Drakeson | is fallen out of dpkg's radar |
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| 03:15.59 | Rapsodius | fine I solved it by myself: sudo update-initramfs -ck Â'kernel version' |
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| 03:25.58 | zu22 | How do I install flash in Debian squeeze. Can't find any packages. |
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| 03:26.20 | zu22 | My sources.list includes "non-free". |
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| 03:26.42 | abrotman | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:26.43 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | zu22: there you go .. it's in contrib! |
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| 03:28.58 | zu22 | abrotman: great! thanks |
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| 03:34.36 | zu22 | back again, how do i get libdvdcss support in Debian squeeze? these packages are not found: libdvdcss2 libdvdcss |
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| 03:37.31 | Tramp | !tell zu22 -about libdvdcss |
| 03:37.48 | zu22 | Tramp: thanks |
| 03:37.56 | Tramp | yw |
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| 03:44.19 | pssw0rt | what part of the creation of deb files are the instruction of compile of programs?? sorry for my english |
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| 03:44.54 | abrotman | pssw0rt: you want to know the options a package was compiled with ? |
| 03:45.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:45.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:45.18 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 03:45.18 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
| 03:45.21 | pssw0rt | yes abrotman |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | pssw0rt: you get the source package, and look at the debian/rules file |
| 03:46.18 | lailoken | -.- |
| 03:46.37 | lailoken | running apt-get update fails with some gpg error, telling me to fix it by running, apt-get update |
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| 03:46.49 | abrotman | lailoken: put it in a pastebin (paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:48.17 | micols | anybody know if pcmcia cards will work with virtualbox,vmware or such? , it won't detect mine |
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| 03:50.00 | lailoken | http://paste.debian.net/63453/ @ abrotman |
| 03:50.15 | lailoken | i dont know where this ksplice thing is coming from though |
| 03:51.15 | abrotman | lailoken: you added the source for it .. you should know |
| 03:51.30 | lailoken | it isnt listed in the source.list |
| 03:51.36 | wols_ | it comes from a repo you put in there. ksplice can be googled what it does/is |
| 03:51.58 | wols_ | it is. could be in sources.list.d subdir for example |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | lailoken: look /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 03:52.32 | lailoken | ok yeah that's there then |
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| 03:54.09 | abrotman | lailoken: and then 'aptitude install debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring' and then 'apt-get update;aptitude update' |
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| 04:12.02 | pssw0rt | thx a lot abrotman |
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| 04:46.13 | chant | I cant' compile a simple qt4 program. |
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| 04:47.17 | chant | ah, my bad. it checks teh file extension of the source code. dumb. |
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| 05:00.33 | ronnie | Can someone help me get sound on my computer????? I am going insane |
| 05:01.17 | ronnie | Can someone help me get sound on my computer????? I am going insane |
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| 05:05.42 | Zarathushtra | i've just compiled a new kernel with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 05:06.02 | Zarathushtra | the .deb file is generated but when i dpkg -i kernel there is no initrd installed in /boot |
| 05:06.31 | Zarathushtra | it appears to be a problem when i try to boot =) |
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| 05:11.15 | PinkFreud | Zarathushtra: shouldn't you be tending Epsilon 3? |
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| 05:13.28 | Zarathushtra | what? |
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| 05:13.56 | Freedom_Wiki | Hi |
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| 05:15.14 | ronnie | Can someone help me get sound on my computer????? I am going insane |
| 05:15.36 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.05 | peterrooney | !alsa checklist |
| 05:16.06 | PinkFreud | Zarathushtra: sheesh. to have a nick like that and to completely miss a B5 reference... :) |
| 05:16.06 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 05:16.42 | ronnie | okay I will try it |
| 05:16.59 | Freedom_Wiki | I have installed Debian |
| 05:17.34 | PinkFreud | shakes his head sadly. Nobody listens to Zarathushtra. |
| 05:17.38 | PinkFreud | :) |
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| 05:18.37 | Freedom_Wiki | but it doesn't begin with a cross-platform desktop environment |
| 05:18.55 | Freedom_Wiki | what is the command? |
| 05:19.15 | peterrooney | Freedom_Wiki: command to do what? |
| 05:19.39 | Freedom_Wiki | to begin with KDE |
| 05:19.48 | Freedom_Wiki | I have installed |
| 05:19.56 | Freedom_Wiki | but begin only in text mode |
| 05:20.50 | peterrooney | Freedom_Wiki: perhaps you need to install kdm, gdm, or wdm? (purists would say "what about xdm") |
| 05:21.02 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: Sounds like you need to start kdm? So maybe /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 05:21.43 | Freedom_Wiki | wait |
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| 05:22.44 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: why "kdm" |
| 05:23.09 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: It is the usual display manager for KDE people. GDM is more common for GNOME people. |
| 05:23.23 | Freedom_Wiki | ah |
| 05:23.24 | jmarsden | KDM probably stands for KDE Display Manager |
| 05:23.25 | Freedom_Wiki | ty |
| 05:23.28 | Freedom_Wiki | I go to try |
| 05:24.09 | Freedom_Wiki | nothing |
| 05:24.10 | Freedom_Wiki | :S |
| 05:24.19 | Freedom_Wiki | I make the login |
| 05:24.49 | Freedom_Wiki | and appear: name@name:~$ |
| 05:25.50 | Freedom_Wiki | if I to give the command: su root |
| 05:26.00 | Freedom_Wiki | I make the login with the password |
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| 05:26.34 | Freedom_Wiki | and appear: name:/home/name# |
| 05:26.52 | ronnie | I added myself to the audio users but yet no sound GRRRRR |
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| 05:27.40 | Freedom_Wiki | help me. :S |
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| 05:28.19 | ronnie | me first !! please |
| 05:28.23 | peterrooney | ronnie: may have to log out and log in again |
| 05:28.28 | Freedom_Wiki | ronnie: lol |
| 05:28.42 | ronnie | peterrooney I restarted |
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| 05:29.27 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: After you su to root, what exactly happens when you type in the command /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 05:29.33 | ronnie | peterrooney I checked alsamixer to make sure nothing was muted |
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| 05:31.16 | ronnie | I am about to re install windows - - - - |
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| 05:32.32 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: It doesn't find the file |
| 05:33.09 | peterrooney | Freedom_Wiki: aptitude install kdm |
| 05:33.14 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: Then install kdm first, and then try it again :) |
| 05:33.40 | ronnie | HELP!!! I need sound !!!! |
| 05:34.14 | Freedom_Wiki | installed |
| 05:34.17 | Freedom_Wiki | and nothing |
| 05:34.19 | Freedom_Wiki | =.= |
| 05:34.35 | Freedom_Wiki | first the mirrors in the instalation |
| 05:34.38 | Freedom_Wiki | now this |
| 05:34.40 | Freedom_Wiki | =.= |
| 05:34.42 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: NOW after you su to root, what exactly happens when you type in the command /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 05:34.57 | Freedom_Wiki | the same thing |
| 05:34.59 | Freedom_Wiki | =.= |
| 05:35.12 | jmarsden | Be precise... what is the message you see. |
| 05:35.41 | Freedom_Wiki | file do not found |
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| 05:36.21 | ronnie | Please for the love of god, help me |
| 05:36.45 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: pastebin what you typed and the error message, please -- I am sure that was not the exact message you saw. |
| 05:37.12 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: the message is in portuguese |
| 05:37.22 | Freedom_Wiki | arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 05:37.33 | Freedom_Wiki | it does not find |
| 05:38.04 | jmarsden | OK. Does dpkg -l kdm show you that kdm installed OK? |
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| 05:38.31 | ronnie | No one will take pitty on me and my newbness? |
| 05:39.36 | Freedom_Wiki | in the installation, I have choosen Graphical mode ; tab, and in the mode text: quiet desktop = kde |
| 05:39.39 | DogBoy | pity |
| 05:39.55 | peterrooney | !comfort ronnie |
| 05:39.55 | dpkg | There, there, ronnie. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:40.06 | Freedom_Wiki | package do not found |
| 05:40.07 | Freedom_Wiki | =.= |
| 05:40.12 | ronnie | Whatever so I cant spell -- I am obviously not real bright - I cant get sound out of my computer |
| 05:40.28 | DogBoy | can't |
| 05:40.32 | ronnie | see |
| 05:41.26 | ronnie | obviously I deserve your PIU |
| 05:41.26 | ronnie | pity |
| 05:41.26 | Freedom_Wiki | !comfort IOI |
| 05:41.26 | dpkg | There, there, IOI. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:41.26 | Freedom_Wiki | O.o |
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| 05:41.26 | peterrooney | ronnie, you've got yourself added to audio group, you've logged out, run alsaconf as root, and logged in again before running alsamixer? |
| 05:41.36 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: You must (1) install kdm and then (2) run the command /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 05:41.44 | ronnie | alsaconf - I knew I was forgetting something |
| 05:42.12 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: how could to install? |
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| 05:42.25 | Freedom_Wiki | the command does not work |
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| 05:42.28 | Freedom_Wiki | =.= |
| 05:42.34 | jmarsden | as root use the command aptitude install kdm |
| 05:42.40 | jmarsden | WHat happens when you do that? |
| 05:42.41 | peterrooney | Freedom_Wiki: to install, run "aptitude install kdm" |
| 05:42.42 | ronnie | okay command not found |
| 05:43.31 | Freedom_Wiki | peterrooney: It does not work |
| 05:44.11 | peterrooney | Freedom_Wiki: you have to be root to run that command |
| 05:44.22 | Freedom_Wiki | I know |
| 05:44.24 | pallgone | is anyone using jackd? there are two problems: /etc/security/limits.d/* is not loaded (you have to put everything into limit.conf), and jackd can't be started under X, you have to switch to a vc to do that... |
| 05:44.28 | peterrooney | ronnie: aptitude install alsa-utls ? |
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| 05:45.37 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: "It does not work" is not helpful. Tell us what it *does* do, not what it does NOT do! |
| 05:45.54 | jmarsden | pastebin the output from the command, if it is long. |
| 05:45.59 | ronnie | alsaconf: command not found |
| 05:46.25 | peterrooney | ronnie: then you should probably install the alsa-utils package |
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| 05:46.59 | ronnie | okay |
| 05:48.06 | Freedom_Wiki | argh |
| 05:48.41 | ronnie | peterrooney okay done |
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| 05:49.19 | peterrooney | ronnie, again: you've got yourself added to audio group, you've logged out, run alsaconf as root, and logged in again before running alsamixer? |
| 05:49.22 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: in the instalation, How make for to install KDE? |
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| 05:49.56 | ronnie | peterrooney everything except alsaconf - it says that is not a command |
| 05:50.32 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: select KDE in the list of tasks. |
| 05:50.37 | peterrooney | ronnie: more likely, it says "bash: alsaconf: command not found" ? |
| 05:50.49 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: graphical mode? |
| 05:50.54 | Freedom_Wiki | but have not |
| 05:51.04 | ronnie | peterrooney alsaconf: command not found |
| 05:51.17 | Freedom_Wiki | I have: TAB ; and desktop = KDE |
| 05:51.22 | Freedom_Wiki | in the begin |
| 05:51.47 | Freedom_Wiki | with Graphical mode selected |
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| 05:53.12 | Freedom_Wiki | http://www.guiadohardware.net/imagens/img-39cbd666.jpeg <<< this |
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| 05:53.45 | Freedom_Wiki | in graphical install |
| 05:54.07 | peterrooney | ronnie: as root? seems unlikely, after installing alsa-utils. try /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 05:54.13 | Midnigh2ker | hi guys. just set up NFS client on my little deb box. annoyingly, its now trying to mount the NFS share at boot time and timing out as the network isn't up yet. any thoughts please |
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| 05:55.10 | mrrcp | how do i change the owner:group on every file in a dir |
| 05:55.14 | jmarsden | Freedom_Wiki: I'm not sure how to specify KDE as a kernel boot parameter... never tried it. What exactly does aptitude install kdm output for you ? You never did tell us... |
| 05:55.49 | ronnie | ronnie@wheeldoctor:~$ cd /usr/sbin/ |
| 05:55.51 | ronnie | ronnie@wheeldoctor:/usr/sbin$ alsaconf |
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| 05:55.53 | ronnie | alsaconf: command not found |
| 05:55.54 | ronnie | ronnie@wheeldoctor:/usr/sbin$ sudo alsaconf |
| 05:55.56 | ronnie | sudo: alsaconf: command not found |
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| 05:56.28 | peterrooney | ronnie: you'd have to type ./alsaconf - by design, "." is not part of your $PATH |
| 05:56.31 | jmarsden | ronnie: type the command sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
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| 05:57.12 | mrrcp | how do i change the owner:group on every file in a dir? it is only changing the sub folders and not files iteself |
| 05:57.41 | ronnie | ronnie@wheeldoctor:/usr/sbin$ sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 05:57.43 | ronnie | sudo: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: command not found |
| 05:57.44 | ronnie | ronnie@wheeldoctor:/usr/sbin$ ./alsaconf |
| 05:57.46 | ronnie | bash: ./alsaconf: No such file or directory |
| 05:57.51 | peterrooney | mrrcp: chown -R user:group dir_name |
| 05:58.10 | jmarsden | ronnie: Looks like you have not yet installed alsaconf |
| 05:58.16 | mrrcp | that will change everything? |
| 05:58.30 | peterrooney | ronnie: then you have not installed alsa-utils. |
| 05:58.43 | jmarsden | mrrcp: That will change the ownership of dir_name and everything under it. |
| 05:58.45 | ronnie | I did install it |
| 05:59.05 | jmarsden | ronnie: does dpkg -l alsa-utils show that it is installed? |
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| 05:59.17 | mrrcp | o ok |
| 05:59.18 | mrrcp | thanks |
| 05:59.28 | mrrcp | worked! |
| 05:59.33 | Freedom_Wiki | jmarsden: pm |
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| 06:00.06 | ronnie | alsa-utils 1.0.20-2ubuntu ALSA utilities |
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| 06:00.58 | jmarsden | ronnie: what were the two letters at the start of that line, which you somehow forgot to show us? |
| 06:01.02 | peterrooney | ronnie: asking #debian for help when you're running ubuntu is likely to break your system. |
| 06:01.13 | ronnie | ii |
| 06:01.28 | Freedom_Wiki | I go to exit |
| 06:01.30 | Freedom_Wiki | bb |
| 06:01.42 | ronnie | peterrooney ubuntu chat is messed up |
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| 06:01.54 | peterrooney | ronnie: we cannot help that. |
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| 06:02.15 | ronnie | im desperate |
| 06:02.19 | peterrooney | "based on debian" is not "debian" |
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| 06:03.25 | peterrooney | ronnie: I could tell. ubuntu MAY have "apt-file"; in which case "apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search alsaconf" MIGHT work. Ubuntu is not debian. |
| 06:03.38 | ronnie | damn |
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| 06:06.09 | peterrooney | ronnie: could have saved 45 minutes by telling us that. if you install debian, you'll find #debian -much- more helpful. some days, ubuntu users just get abused. |
| 06:07.00 | ronnie | I shoulda stuck with windows |
| 06:07.04 | SolarisBoy | heh |
| 06:07.45 | peterrooney | ronnie: nah, you should have gone with a more stable, user-supported, user-friendly distribution. |
| 06:08.38 | ronnie | i tried to pick a good one |
| 06:08.56 | SolarisBoy | you didn't fail |
| 06:09.05 | SolarisBoy | your just in the wrong room looking for help |
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| 06:10.47 | peterrooney | SolarisBoy: Hear, hear. Taking help from the Ford dealership on your Chevy usually voids your warranty. |
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| 06:11.27 | SolarisBoy | ya so he should go to #ubuntu no? |
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| 06:17.39 | peterrooney | SolarisBoy: that, or install debian ( a popular choice, around here) |
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| 06:21.22 | SolarisBoy | peterrooney: ;> |
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| 06:30.42 | gh0st_ | [ 671.809890] phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Firmware detected - version: 0.8. |
| 06:30.42 | gh0st_ | [ 671.810128] phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Current firmware does not support detected chipset. |
| 06:30.43 | gh0st_ | ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS) failed: No such file or directory |
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| 06:31.38 | gh0st_ | what can i do? |
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| 06:33.36 | gh0st_ | wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 06:33.59 | gh0st_ | how can i up it |
| 06:35.31 | sep | where did you get that firmware ? replace it with something newer ? |
| 06:35.45 | gh0st_ | sep: from where? |
| 06:36.02 | sep | now that depends on your answer to the first part of my question |
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| 06:36.29 | gh0st_ | sep: ok i'm get it from backports |
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| 06:37.17 | sep | :) |
| 06:37.26 | gh0st_ | :") |
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| 06:39.20 | ^Willie^ | hi there, someone here who do recompile some apps on debian boxes ? dunno if there any practical issues that will block my road ? |
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| 06:41.30 | peterrooney | ^Willie^: apt-src |
| 06:41.49 | peterrooney | ^Willie^: a better question is, why? |
| 06:41.55 | ^Willie^ | peterrooney: i have an debian wiki article to read that is not the issue |
| 06:42.23 | ^Willie^ | http://wiki.debian.org/zr36067 |
| 06:42.44 | ^Willie^ | but you will need MPlayer built with zoran (synonym for zr36067) support. There is no such MPlayer in the Debian repository, so you will have to build a package with this video output driver |
| 06:43.39 | ^Willie^ | normaly i do use gentoo linux and compile the whole system from scratch ... so i'm wondering if it is a better idea to use gentoo for my video server in this case main line issue will be the customer who is the target for the video system |
| 06:43.46 | ^Willie^ | thats why i did go debian this time ;) |
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| 06:45.15 | ^Willie^ | also thinking about migrating my gentoo boxes to debian anyway |
| 06:45.27 | ^Willie^ | compiling own app`s is not needed at all |
| 06:46.23 | peterrooney | ^Willie^: not sure about the zoran libraries, but apt-get build-dep mplayer should give you the libraries needed to compile mplayer proper |
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| 06:46.49 | ^Willie^ | peterrooney: ok thnx |
| 06:46.56 | ^Willie^ | that info + wiki will help me out |
| 06:47.41 | ^Willie^ | now hope that an sempron 3000 can handle the video encoding/decoding guess it will do the job |
| 06:48.07 | ^Willie^ | it will only do the video stuff and nothing else |
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| 06:49.32 | arastoo | hi , whats best mail client ? i want mail client and i wnat know whats the best |
| 06:50.12 | ^Willie^ | arastoo: gmail or mozilla ? |
| 06:50.36 | arastoo | Gmail |
| 06:50.37 | fridayblue | @arastoo you can the mutt or the thunderbird |
| 06:50.56 | peterrooney | arastoo: entirely depends on what features you want. |
| 06:51.01 | ^Willie^ | i did use mozilla thunderbird in my imap days nowdays i do use gmail |
| 06:51.17 | SolarisBoy | hmm |
| 06:51.33 | arastoo | peterrooney: i want read google buzz and i want send mail and read this |
| 06:51.51 | ^Willie^ | thunderbird just works but dunno what features you want or like give some mail apps a try and find out what works the best for you |
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| 06:53.01 | ^Willie^ | do also wana know what is the best cpu <-> mainboard combo for performance but still have to try on my own others will not reinvent the wheel for me :p |
| 06:53.35 | arastoo | hmm ^Willie^ tanx dude and i want know how can i install guake on debian lenny if i cant pls saying some app like guake |
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| 06:54.16 | ^Willie^ | this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guake |
| 06:54.25 | ^Willie^ | apt-cache search quake |
| 06:55.07 | arastoo | ^Willie^: yes but i cant find this on lenny |
| 06:56.05 | ^Willie^ | arastoo: dunno if squeeze do the job ? http://packages.debian.org/guake |
| 06:56.14 | ^Willie^ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=guake |
| 06:56.29 | ^Willie^ | else you have to compile it from source google for some info how to do that |
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| 06:57.37 | ^Willie^ | bbl 8:00 time to hit the shower |
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| 06:57.53 | arastoo | ^Willie^: i download tar.gz and when i want compile from source i see this depandecy python-gconf dose not exist |
| 06:58.21 | ^Willie^ | arastoo: ahh sounds easy to me try apt-cache search python-gconf |
| 06:58.35 | ^Willie^ | that message try to tell you it need python-gconf as dep |
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| 06:59.16 | arastoo | okey and tnx |
| 06:59.26 | ^Willie^ | arastoo: in an hour i have done my morning jobs and continue working on my debian box that is offline atm |
| 06:59.47 | arastoo | okey and bye dude |
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| 06:59.52 | ^Willie^ | now from this system i have to google every thing when it come`s to debian ;) |
| 07:00.02 | ^Willie^ | ahh gone already :( |
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| 07:05.19 | Chaos`Eternal | howto add default network interface configuration into a livecd? |
| 07:05.25 | Chaos`Eternal | i tried write a hook in config/chroot_local-hooks to overwrite /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:05.32 | Chaos`Eternal | but seems not work |
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| 07:43.03 | phrearch | morning |
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| 07:43.26 | phrearch | does anyone know what the vmbr0 interface is exactly for, and if it can replace eth0? |
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| 07:43.32 | phrearch | im installing proxmox on a lenny system |
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| 07:45.47 | sep | phrearch, as a virtual machine |
| 07:45.58 | sep | from the name of that interface i would assume it was a virtual bridge |
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| 07:46.14 | hellyeah | hey |
| 07:46.23 | phrearch | sep: proxmox on top of lenny, not as virtual machine |
| 07:46.24 | hellyeah | how can i generate xorg file in squeeze |
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| 07:46.47 | phrearch | i guess that virtual bridge takes care of assigning ips to the virtual machines? |
| 07:46.50 | sep | phrearch, well i still think it sounds like a bridge. brctl show would tell you |
| 07:47.05 | phrearch | ok, will check that |
| 07:47.11 | phrearch | thanks :) |
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| 07:47.52 | sep | it takes care of transporting traffic from a real interface to a virtual interface inside the machine where the virtual machines can use it as their "real" interface |
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| 07:48.38 | phrearch | sep: ok good to know. does eth0 still need to be up and running? |
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| 07:48.47 | phrearch | or can vmbr0 take care of that by itself |
| 07:48.51 | sep | phrearch, it's probably used by the bridge so yes |
| 07:49.00 | sep | brctl show vmbr0 would tell you if it used eth0 |
| 07:49.16 | sep | it's a port in the bridge. |
| 07:49.35 | phrearch | aha, vmbr0 has no interface shows that command |
| 07:49.45 | phrearch | eth0 is down as well |
| 07:49.54 | sep | then it's just a virtual switch internal to your machine probably |
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| 07:50.29 | phrearch | hm, dhclient vmbr0 should work? |
| 07:50.30 | sep | or you can add eth0 to it. and connect the virtual switch to the outside world thru it |
| 07:50.54 | sep | if you have a dhcp server running on that virtual network somewhere |
| 07:50.56 | sep | probably as a vm |
| 07:50.59 | sep | then yeah |
| 07:51.34 | phrearch | hm, ok, so i probably need to setup the vmbr interface properly first |
| 07:51.41 | phrearch | thought that was already done by proxmox |
| 07:53.17 | sep | hum proxmox sounds interesting |
| 07:53.38 | sep | i have been looking for something that i can use on debian's and provide ease of use for my coworkers |
| 07:53.53 | phrearch | yea, same here. i like the click and point interface |
| 07:54.06 | phrearch | it has support for kvm/qemu and openvz |
| 07:54.14 | sep | deb or source ? |
| 07:54.23 | phrearch | just from deb |
| 07:54.49 | phrearch | http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Lenny |
| 07:54.55 | sep | does it conflict weith libvirt ? ie |
| 07:54.59 | sep | thank you |
| 07:55.01 | phrearch | ehm, not sure |
| 07:55.20 | phrearch | it requires a seperate kernel |
| 07:55.44 | sep | huh wonder why |
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| 07:56.10 | phrearch | im not sure |
| 07:56.17 | phrearch | maybe for openvz specific stuff |
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| 07:57.16 | sep | perhaps i should take a look. virt-manager does not exactly make it any easier to do a plain bond+vlan+bridged setup |
| 07:58.05 | phrearch | no, i tried virt-manager before this, but i didnt like it. got nothing but errors and commandline madness |
| 07:58.24 | phrearch | just need a simple virtualization package, that just works |
| 07:58.36 | phrearch | proxmox seems to be just that |
| 07:59.28 | phrearch | it still doesnt work, but at least it gives me the feeling that its controllable and would work properly in the end |
| 07:59.39 | phrearch | just need that bridge to work :) |
| 07:59.41 | sep | well i do get virt-manager to work. but the error messages are severly obfuscated. and it's hopeless to expect my coworkers to maange to work with it |
| 08:00.06 | sep | well that page you listed does show that eth0 should be on the bridge ports.. |
| 08:00.12 | sep | on that screen shot on the bootom |
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| 08:00.38 | phrearch | aha |
| 08:00.41 | phrearch | youre right |
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| 08:01.06 | phrearch | thanks, lets try :-) |
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| 08:01.56 | gh0st_ | setsockopt(PACKET_MR_PROMISC) failed: Invalid argument |
| 08:01.59 | gh0st_ | what is that? |
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| 08:02.49 | sep | hum sounds a bit like you tried to set a network device in promisc mode but it didn't support that |
| 08:02.56 | sep | what kind of network card ? |
| 08:03.21 | gh0st_ | wusb600n |
| 08:03.33 | phrearch | cool, that fixed the bridge mode! |
| 08:04.20 | phrearch | one weird thing is that the vnc console doesnt actually work |
| 08:04.25 | phrearch | maybe a java problem :( |
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| 08:05.56 | phrearch | i wonder whether proxmox can also do cloud servicees |
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| 08:06.15 | phrearch | documentation is a bit hard to find :) |
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| 08:07.08 | gh0st_ | sep: hwo can i fix it |
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| 08:08.24 | sep | gh0st_, only thing i can think of is to try the laters drivers (latest kernel) and if that does not work. get a wifi adapter that have known drivers that DO support promisc |
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| 08:08.55 | gh0st_ | sep ok 10x |
| 08:08.59 | sep | see many that have problem with that chipset (rt2870 )but no solution on google |
| 08:09.08 | gh0st_ | i know |
| 08:09.17 | sep | also doublecheck you have firmware for it |
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| 08:15.17 | phrearch | i just wonder how to connect to these virtual machines |
| 08:15.27 | phrearch | the browser vnc viewer in the proxmox interface doesnt really work |
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| 08:22.47 | freetime | hi , can anybody help me to slove this problem http://pastebin.org/108422 |
| 08:24.35 | sep | freespace, sounds like you have a hostname in /etc/hosts.deny that does not resolve. |
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| 08:25.18 | freetime | sep: how to make to resolve it |
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| 08:25.55 | sep | freespace, how the heck should i know. you have not told us the contents of /etc/hosts.deny |
| 08:26.07 | sep | fix the typo in the file. or fix your dns config, or write a hosts entry |
| 08:26.26 | sep | or perhaps you just have a misconfiguration |
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| 08:26.29 | sep | in your dns |
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| 08:26.49 | sep | or perhaps some cache tricks your |
| 08:27.02 | freetime | the contes of hosts.deny http://pastebin.org/108423 |
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| 08:28.52 | phrearch | omg, java in the webbrowser seems to have ancient docs |
| 08:29.05 | phrearch | ff 1.4 must be 5 years back or something :/ |
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| 08:30.28 | sep | freetime, well i guess xx.xxx.xxx.xxx does not resolve. try ersolving it manually with host xx.xxx.xxx.xxx if it does not you should check your zone file of xxx.xxx and verify your config is correct |
| 08:30.39 | sep | strange tho i didnt' think the .xxx tld was approved... |
| 08:30.43 | sep | :) |
| 08:30.50 | WormFood | yet |
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| 08:32.45 | sep | i swear i shall quit supporting people that say " something does not work. i wont tell you what it is, but fix it kthx " |
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| 08:34.30 | WormFood | it is funny how people want help, then don't give the relevant information |
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| 08:35.46 | freetime | sep: ok thx , i will look |
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| 08:36.23 | vsmatck | Anyone happen to know where I can get this theme? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand#New GtkThemes |
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| 08:36.36 | sep | hello #debian, please all download this NDA from url/nda.pdf sign it and return to me by fax so i can ask you to help me for free :) |
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| 08:37.52 | WormFood | sep, that reminds me of the "sexual harassment consent form" |
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| 08:38.13 | sep | vsmatck, have no idea. but a wild guess tells me that someone in #ubuntu might know... you know since it's a ubuntu theme... |
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| 08:38.41 | vsmatck | I'll try asking them in there... |
| 08:38.54 | WormFood | with the number of ubuntu users, asking for help here, I get the feeling that #ubuntu isn't much help. |
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| 08:39.21 | sep | WormFood, well there is a company behind it that sells support perhaps ? |
| 08:39.35 | sep | it's not realy our problem they are too popular for their own community |
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| 08:43.28 | dsockwell | how do I find 32-bit library packages for debian lenny amd64? In particular I'm having trouble with libopenal |
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| 08:49.32 | vsmatck | no luck, I'll just wait for stable to get it. |
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| 08:50.08 | vsmatck | But then I suppose it may not. I'll just give up on second thought. |
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| 09:15.52 | jb_ | Hi all |
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| 09:19.36 | jb_ | Im trying to get my dual screens to work with only free drivers, I have a GeForce 7500 LE card and a vanilla Lenny i386 installation, aftersom googeling it seemes I should use RandR but I cant get it to work, does anyone know if theres a idiot guide how to get that to work or any other suggestions ? |
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| 09:20.44 | gh0st_ | how can i unpack rpm? |
| 09:21.48 | jb_ | gh0st_, cant you use "alien" it converts rpms to debs |
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| 09:30.28 | gh0st_ | aa ok |
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| 09:33.17 | rvsjoen | jb_: what does xrandr tell you |
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| 09:34.11 | AndrewMohawk | hi, i'm looking to authenticate a debian repo based on some sort of username/pass combo, ie, user 'a' can only access packages x,y,z and user 'b' has access to a,b,c,x,y,z.. if anyone can point me in the direction of documentation that would be smashing ( google doesn't really seem to be helping wrt to 'debian repository authentication' ). |
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| 09:35.18 | rvsjoen | andrewmohawk: can you use a proxy server ? |
| 09:35.25 | themill | AndrewMohawk: the most sensible way is to have different repositories for the different groups of users. Ways to do authentication are described at http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ |
| 09:35.53 | jb_ | rvsjoen, xrandr only shows one port (Im guessing the DVI) |
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| 09:37.11 | rvsjoen | jb_: does the other ports show as disconnected ? |
| 09:37.28 | AndrewMohawk | rvsjoen, no :/ |
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| 09:38.13 | ChoHag | Can gems be forced to acknowledge dependencies that have been installed with apt/dpkg? |
| 09:38.41 | AndrewMohawk | themill: well its really all one application but for a specific client i would like them to access say the -dev releases or -server while others i would only want them to have the -stable releases. I'd prefer simply doing it with a single repo thats authenticated, ie, someone can't just 'find' the other repo's and pull the files/apps |
| 09:39.14 | themill | AndrewMohawk: so use different repos and attach authentication to them as described above |
| 09:39.49 | jb_ | rvsjoen, they dont show at all :-( but I know that the card is working at boot all the way until X starts I have both screens and with my old install I used the binary nvidia drivers and then both worked |
| 09:40.08 | AndrewMohawk | themill: thanks, i'll read the above mentioned doc and take a look |
| 09:41.10 | arctanx | Does anyone know a list of mirrors that are hosting the testing unstable iso? caesar.stuff.se is painfully slow |
| 09:41.17 | rvsjoen | jb_: what about nvidia-settings ? (or is that only in the proprietary driver) |
| 09:42.01 | jb_ | rvsjoen, the out put says "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240 ...." on one line and then various screen resolutions in a row |
| 09:42.05 | jb_ | nvidia-settings is the propritary |
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| 09:43.43 | sep | phrearch, did you get that vmbr0 interface after installing from that url you mentioned ? i did not get that interface but i see it in the webtool |
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| 09:44.10 | phrearch | yea, i had to set it to autostart in the webinterface |
| 09:44.19 | phrearch | after setting the eth0 bridge thing it worked out of the box |
| 09:44.40 | phrearch | had to get java running in the browser to access the kvm machine(with tightvnc) |
| 09:45.03 | phrearch | ubuntu server installed now with openssh, so i can access it through ssh |
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| 09:45.16 | phrearch | works really fine. every vm gets its own ip |
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| 09:46.17 | sep | you know how i can get the webtool to recognice my current network config so would not have to recreate all the bridges and stuff ? |
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| 09:46.53 | phrearch | ehm not really. when i had it installed on a clean lenny system, it showed eth1 and vmbr0 |
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| 09:47.02 | phrearch | eth1 is the second lan port on this machine |
| 09:47.19 | phrearch | all i had to do was enable vmbr0 and set the bridge to eth0 |
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| 09:47.44 | sep | right thanks |
| 09:47.50 | phrearch | i think there is something about that on that tutor page |
| 09:48.02 | developerare | Synaptic starts without asking me for the root password, how can I change this? |
| 09:48.12 | phrearch | nano /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 09:48.29 | phrearch | not sure if it has something to do with it |
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| 09:49.04 | sep | it wants to reboot to change networking setup what is this... windows ? |
| 09:49.06 | sep | :) |
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| 09:51.15 | ^Willie^ | ehhmm for the default debian + gnome desktop setups is there an terminal replacement without close window option in the mouse menu directly under copy :S |
| 09:51.31 | ^Willie^ | this will costh me some hw afther a few days and my temper |
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| 09:51.55 | themill | ^Willie^: I imagine most of them don't do that. konsole certainly doesn't. |
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| 09:52.27 | ^Willie^ | themill: Konsole is kde ;) i love that one indeed |
| 09:52.46 | ^Willie^ | themill: moment gona look what debian+gnome use as desktop term |
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| 09:53.09 | themill | ^Willie^: there's no reason you can't install kde on debian if you want. It's supported just as well as gnome etc. /msg dpkg install kde |
| 09:53.32 | ^Willie^ | it is gnome gnome-terminal |
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| 09:53.45 | ^Willie^ | guess remove it and install some other availible term |
| 09:53.50 | devurandom | Hi! |
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| 09:54.43 | devurandom | How do I display the changelog of a packae during aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 09:54.49 | ^Willie^ | dunno your name due kvirc's highlighting but i don't want kde since i don't care about the desktop on that box but i do care about gnome-term messing up my work and mood by ther close option in that menu where i clock on every time i wana copy |
| 09:55.08 | devurandom | I already display the version numbers using "v", but I cannot figure out how to also show the changelog. |
| 09:55.09 | jelly | devurandom: install apt-listchanges before doing that upgrade |
| 09:55.09 | ^Willie^ | themill |
| 09:55.29 | jelly | oh, you're using aptitude ui |
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| 09:55.33 | chot | hi |
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| 09:57.13 | chot | i'm having some trouble with tomcat/firewalls. my tomcat installation seems to work (i can connect to the webpage locally) but i cant connect from any remote computer. i looked at the iptables -L and it turns up empty, but somehow my apache webserver gets through |
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| 09:58.13 | rvsjoen | what address did you tell tomcat to bind to |
| 09:58.15 | chot | so since there's no rule for the apache port 80, i'm guessing i don't need one for my tomcat (port 8180) neither, and that it's something else that is wrong, but i've got no idea where to go from here? |
| 09:58.25 | chot | rvsjoen: 8180 |
| 09:58.30 | rvsjoen | that's port |
| 09:58.36 | chot | hm sec |
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| 09:59.34 | devurandom | Ough, rocks: E: kdebase-runtime is not an official Ubuntu package, cannot display its changelog. |
| 09:59.35 | chot | i'm not really sure where to configure that? |
| 09:59.38 | devurandom | Anyway, thanks jelly! |
| 10:00.01 | rvsjoen | chot: netstat -lnt | grep :8180 |
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| 10:00.59 | chot | rvsjoen: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8180 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 10:01.29 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 10:01.49 | wsxws | is there a way to check wich process wrote data into a certain file ? |
| 10:02.03 | ^Willie^ | themill: kterm is just like xterm in gnome :S |
| 10:02.20 | ^Willie^ | themill: no mouse menu not tabbing :S |
| 10:02.38 | jelly | devurandom: sounds like you want to ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:02.38 | ^Willie^ | other surgestions for a good desktop terminal ? |
| 10:02.39 | petemc | wsxws: not unless you had something set up previously to log such an event |
| 10:03.12 | devurandom | jelly: Well, it complaints that the package was installed from a PPA, so I guess they cannot do much about it either. |
| 10:03.14 | rvsjoen | chot: and there are no rules in 'iptables -L' ? and the default policies are ACCEPT ? |
| 10:03.51 | rvsjoen | chot: if that is the case I would look into the configuration of apache/tomcat |
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| 10:04.36 | jelly | devurandom: I mean, don't ask here for help with Ubuntu; they might have changed the way tools work or might have more preferable solutions to what is typically used in Debian. |
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| 10:04.43 | wsxws | when someone loged off there are to files written with the data of that login/logout. they are /var/log/lastlog and /var/log/wtmp. i already diosabled lastlog in /etc/pam.d/login but lastlog is still written and so does wtmp. how to turn that track of logings off ? |
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| 10:05.05 | devurandom | jelly: Ah, ok. I thought in such things they were straightly using upstream. |
| 10:05.28 | nvz_ | wsxws: all hacked in and cant get away clean, eh? heh |
| 10:05.34 | chot | rvsjoen: there's no rules in -L and they are all ACCEPT, looking at the config atm |
| 10:05.37 | jelly | devurandom: we don't know whether they're changed or not. I do know dpkg and apt are changed. |
| 10:05.58 | jelly | (and that's accidental knowledge) |
| 10:06.06 | wsxws | nvz_ this isnt an issues of hacking, its just an issue of stopping logs |
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| 10:07.09 | devurandom | Oh, ok. |
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| 10:07.45 | devurandom | Well, I found the changes-file on launchpad. Not very comfortable and you need to know what youre searching and where, but its better than nothing... |
| 10:07.50 | devurandom | Thanks jelly! |
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| 10:08.10 | nvz_ | wsxws: logs are there for security and troubleshooting purposes, only someone who is trying to break something or bypass security would wish to stop that |
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| 10:08.46 | jelly | developerare: apt-listchanges should do the trick regardless of the repo, since it reads the changelog from downloaded package |
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| 10:09.09 | jelly | developerare: sorry about that |
| 10:09.50 | hallo99 | I am trying to install lenny on kvm, but it can't install busybox. It always says "the following packages cannot be authenticated: busybox" |
| 10:10.10 | hallo99 | how can I get around this |
| 10:10.12 | wsxws | nvz just because you cant think of other pruposes does not mean that there cant be others |
| 10:10.26 | jelly | hallo99: it also says a bit more, can you pastebin the whole output? |
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| 10:13.58 | nvz | just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get ya.. |
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| 10:15.02 | hallo99 | jelly: I can not paste from installation but I have a screenshot: http://barclay.chaos-disciple.org/tmp/busybox.png |
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| 10:16.09 | wsxws | hehe, some ppl just wanna understand things, that can be a motivation too sometimes |
| 10:16.18 | wsxws | and i guess i found what i was looking for |
| 10:16.49 | wsxws | but thanks anyway |
| 10:16.55 | wsxws | whish you a nice day |
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| 10:17.28 | jelly | hallo99: that's interesting, how old is your installer image? |
| 10:18.08 | jelly | !tell hallo99 about 5% error |
| 10:18.26 | hallo99 | my image is 20 minutes old |
| 10:19.01 | jelly | hallo99: read what dpkg told you in the private message |
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| 10:23.20 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 10:27.15 | developerare | is it easy to install samba so that local windows users can drop files there? |
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| 10:29.04 | babilen | developerare: I think we covered that before - Read the documentation, install Samba and configure it. I wouldn't expect it to be that hard. |
| 10:29.17 | chot | rvsjoen: can't seem to find anything wrong with the configs :/ anything else you could think of that could be wrong? |
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| 10:31.23 | babilen | developerare: You've basically install samba and configure exported/shared directories in /etc/samba/smb.conf IIRC |
| 10:31.34 | babilen | s/You've/You |
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| 10:33.58 | phrearch | hm, anyone knows where that broadcom tutor is to add nonfree firmware to initrd? |
| 10:34.15 | babilen | what? |
| 10:34.17 | cire | I have a script invoking a program. This program returns something on stderr and stdout. I only want to capture stderr into a variable, but without showing stderr to the screen. How do you do that in bash? |
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| 10:34.39 | babilen | cire: #bash ;) |
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| 10:35.12 | cire | babilen: I think here are experts too, but I also can go to #bash if desired ;) |
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| 10:36.10 | babilen | cire: Sure - I just think that #bash is packed with bash experts, who will be able to help you in the best way possible. |
| 10:37.13 | Riviera | cire: check the channel faq of #bash, your question is answered there |
| 10:37.48 | cire | damn, now I have asked... First read the Faqs... |
| 10:37.55 | cire | thanks anyways Riviera |
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| 10:47.20 | Semiramide | Hi 2 every1 - where could I find Lenny distrò 2 download |
| 10:47.54 | babilen | Semiramide: http://www.debian.org ? |
| 10:48.05 | babilen | !tell Semiramide -about ig |
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| 10:48.54 | Semiramide | I loose the DVD with Lenny and now I need it |
| 10:49.03 | babilen | Semiramide: Do you have network connectivity during the install? |
| 10:49.13 | Semiramide | yes |
| 10:49.20 | babilen | Semiramide: If yes, it might be a good idea to use the netinstall image |
| 10:49.21 | yareckon | Hi all, I am having problems with /dev/fd/N file descriptors under a Xen hosted debian lenny VM |
| 10:49.25 | babilen | !tell Semiramide -about netinstall |
| 10:49.45 | yareckon | I know that there are some problems with udev under Xen, and I am trying to troubleshoot |
| 10:50.11 | yareckon | unfortunately, it is the first time I am really encountering the /dev/fd devices |
| 10:50.34 | Semiramide | I never used Network install but it willbe a good idea to learn others ways |
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| 10:51.04 | yareckon | is there are good way to test how these devices are being created? |
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| 10:51.15 | Sarahzz | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268218275.jpg do my boobs look small? |
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| 10:51.28 | yareckon | lorf |
| 10:51.34 | jelly | kline too slow |
| 10:52.13 | yareckon | does the name Sarahzz mean that she is sleepwalking I wonder? Nice touch |
| 10:52.23 | yareckon | stupid spammers |
| 10:53.05 | babilen | yareckon: reported |
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| 10:56.22 | yareckon | how are you supposed to use /dev/fd/N, can you just call a file descriptor at will, and udev is supposed to create it for you? |
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| 11:00.32 | babilen | yareckon: udev should handle them for you |
| 11:00.34 | jelly | yareckon: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:01.29 | jelly | yareckon: /dev/fd is a symlink to /proc/self/fd, which is handled by kernel directly. |
| 11:01.31 | yareckon | well I am using drupal aegir, which tries to avoid passing passwords on the commandline |
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| 11:01.43 | yareckon | oohh bad timing |
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| 11:01.50 | X-Raimo | hello, where can I take thundebird3 (icedove 3) for debian lenny? |
| 11:02.10 | nsadmin | "take"? |
| 11:02.14 | jelly | get |
| 11:02.28 | liable | want |
| 11:02.28 | nsadmin | packages.debian.org, search for it |
| 11:02.33 | jelly | do not want |
| 11:02.33 | raccoon_ | haz? |
| 11:02.34 | babilen | X-Raimo: Not yet available. Install it manually into /usr/local or grab the packages from experimental (discouraged and might break system) |
| 11:02.41 | liable | can haz |
| 11:02.42 | nsadmin | you can want it anywhere I suppose :) |
| 11:03.10 | jelly | ,versions icedove |
| 11:03.11 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1; experimental: 3.0.3-1 |
| 11:03.17 | nsadmin | you can want it in a bar... you can want it in your car... you can want it in your socks, you can want it with a fox... |
| 11:03.26 | babilen | X-Raimo: Take a look at "stow" if you decide to install it to /usr/local |
| 11:03.37 | yareckon | sorry guys, got to sing "happy birthday" for a coworker |
| 11:03.42 | yareckon | now back to udev |
| 11:03.55 | km0ti0n | humm, is there s CLI client for skype? The GUI one always starts to run SUPER slow! |
| 11:03.55 | jelly | X-Raimo: nowhere at present time. You could try using Thunderbird directly from the vendor, Mozilla. |
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| 11:04.11 | jelly | yareckon: it's not udev. |
| 11:04.31 | liable | its always udev |
| 11:04.32 | yareckon | jelly, babilen aegir passes passwrods etc through /dev/fd/3 to mysql |
| 11:04.58 | yareckon | but in this cast mysqldump is complaining that fd/3 doesnt exist |
| 11:05.03 | jelly | yareckon: and what file does it open as fd3? |
| 11:05.30 | X-Raimo | only compilation from mozilla's sources, am I right? |
| 11:05.34 | jelly | yareckon: which package is this "aegir" part of? |
| 11:05.37 | yareckon | jelly, I am grepping the codebase to find out, but my problem is I don't really knowwhat I am looking for |
| 11:05.41 | babilen | X-Raimo: probably |
| 11:05.49 | X-Raimo | ok |
| 11:05.51 | nsadmin | is /dev/fd/0,1,2 stdin stdout stderr? |
| 11:05.53 | jelly | X-Raimo: I meant, use their binary tarball (if it works on lenny) |
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| 11:05.59 | yareckon | jelly, aegir is a drupal hosting framework, the debian connection here is lenny as the base system |
| 11:06.09 | jelly | yareckon: so, ask them? |
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| 11:06.35 | yareckon | was hoping someone here could help me understand these devices so I could ask a more intelligent question |
| 11:07.06 | jelly | yareckon: file descriptors are just a way to access some files (or similar filesystem objects, like pipes or sockets) |
| 11:07.13 | yareckon | the only thing google returns on /dev/fd is awk tutorials that warn you away from assuming file descriptors are there |
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| 11:07.44 | jelly | yareckon: to want to find out which file is your app opening and how. |
| 11:07.47 | nsadmin | there's somethign to be said for that (except your drupal thing seems to use it) |
| 11:08.03 | jelly | yareckon: strace can help |
| 11:08.15 | yareckon | indeed there are some threads where folks do not have udev installed where they get aegir erros |
| 11:08.29 | yareckon | however, I have udev installed, have reinstalled it, rebooted etc |
| 11:08.36 | poppiez | how can I tell if my system is running 64 bit? I have a 64 bit CPU but it seems the packages are compiled without 64 bit support |
| 11:08.47 | yareckon | but I don't know how to test the file descriptor system directly |
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| 11:08.51 | nsadmin | yareckon: and you still have the problem? |
| 11:08.54 | yareckon | indeed |
| 11:09.04 | yareckon | poppiez, what does uname -a say? |
| 11:09.13 | nsadmin | that would suggest that udev is independent of your problem |
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| 11:09.32 | poppiez | yareckon: Linux poppiez 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:09.35 | X-Raimo | one more pretty newby question: how to install package from experimental? |
| 11:09.47 | nsadmin | where's the pretty newby? |
| 11:09.49 | yareckon | poppiez, that looks like 32 bit to me |
| 11:10.01 | jelly | yareckon: ask the authors about the correct API used or read their documentation, I guess. This isn't remotely a lenny issue |
| 11:10.14 | jelly | X-Raimo: you don't want to do that. |
| 11:10.22 | x3cu710n3r | i'm using debian for the first time... been googling on how to install irssi and done whatever they say but i always end up getting a message saying something about "No valid C compiler in $PATH" ... what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:10.22 | poppiez | yareckon: shyte. ok thx |
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| 11:10.48 | nsadmin | X-Raimo: not recommended. generally experimental packages are broken, and they're in experimental because they are NOT READY for unstable. |
| 11:11.08 | jelly | x3cu710n3r: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:11.24 | yareckon | jelly, for instance this doesn't work echo "hey" > /dev/df/3 |
| 11:11.26 | x3cu710n3r | well.. trying to install irssi? |
| 11:11.40 | nsadmin | x3cu710n3r aptitude install irssi |
| 11:11.46 | x3cu710n3r | hmmm |
| 11:11.46 | jelly | x3cu710n3r: it's already available in debian, just install it |
| 11:11.48 | yareckon | bash: /dev/df/3: No such file or directory |
| 11:11.49 | thunderstrike | having some issues with vnc4server configured on the debian server.. When I try to connect from remote desktop using vnc client vncviewer, it gives only some grey color display without any terminal opened.. Here is my xstartup file content..http://pastebin.com/bRj6chWA |
| 11:12.02 | thunderstrike | Please lemme know what am i missing... |
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| 11:12.12 | yareckon | is that a lenny issue, or a drupal one? |
| 11:12.18 | x3cu710n3r | ill be back in a bit... just gotta give my son some lunch |
| 11:12.29 | yareckon | I think I need help with the underlying devices |
| 11:12.47 | jelly | yareckon: uh. /proc/self/fd/ is just a representation of file descriptors already opened by the current process |
| 11:13.02 | yareckon | ok... |
| 11:13.08 | X-Raimo | as well as know: debian is package-based distro. That means it's better to use packages than compile from sources |
| 11:13.47 | jelly | yareckon: they're specific to each process, and you _don't_ manipulate those directly unless you know what you're doing very well. |
| 11:14.21 | yareckon | what would creating one properly look like in code? |
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| 11:14.32 | nsadmin | X-Raimo: true, but having said that, you may have to compile sometimes, and maybe the compilers built for debian are close to the most stable of all dists |
| 11:14.33 | yareckon | or strace :) ? |
| 11:14.38 | jelly | yareckon: one would eg. open a file. |
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| 11:15.25 | nsadmin | additionally, there are cases where you may want debian to keep its fukin hands off your stuff, in which case you'd build it into (for example) /usr/local |
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| 11:15.26 | yareckon | and thereafter /dev/fd/N would be available to that same process? |
| 11:15.52 | jelly | yareckon: yes |
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| 11:15.56 | yareckon | ok... thanks for the background |
| 11:16.32 | jelly | yareckon: which documentation points you to manipulate /dev/fd/? |
| 11:17.21 | jelly | yareckon: in other words, why are you doing that? |
| 11:17.30 | nsadmin | the reason why you'd build it into /usr/local, is the stuff you build should also not interfere with debian (aka your stuff also keeps its fukin hands off areas debian packaging owns) |
| 11:17.44 | yareckon | aegir does a database backup with "mysqldump --defaults-file=/dev/fd/3 -rsites/%s/database.sql %s" |
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| 11:18.36 | yareckon | so aegir would have had to have opened a file earlier... presumably the first one, as /dev/fd/1 & 2 are standard out and in I think |
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| 11:19.24 | nsadmin | I did ls /dev/fd (obviously in a shell) and got 0 1 2 3 |
| 11:19.45 | nsadmin | not quite sure why it would have an extra fd |
| 11:19.51 | X-Raimo | does situation with openoffice is similar as with thunderbird? I got only version 2.4.1 |
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| 11:20.56 | jelly | yareckon: right, this means the app opens a fd, and forks off that mysqldump process with fd3 already set for the app to write some data to |
| 11:21.59 | yareckon | thanks jelly, I think I have enough data to resume the search |
| 11:22.20 | nsadmin | X-Raimo: so all that stuff about compilers and packaging was to you fyi |
| 11:22.23 | jelly | yareckon: or it's supposed to do that. Why would that fd number be hardcoded is beyond me. I wouldn't go so far to assume the app is completely broken, but you're talking about drupal. |
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| 11:23.18 | yareckon | heh. it's not, and aegir publicly assumes debian as a host system, so be nice |
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| 11:24.08 | yareckon | aegir is .4 alpha6 though, so plenty of stuff is iffy, though the featureset is amazing if you are trying to create dozens of drupal sites |
| 11:24.28 | nsadmin | aegir is some kind of site builder? |
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| 11:25.38 | base3 | hi, i have an old kernel version 2.6.27, which means that udev can#t be updated. i want to install a newer kernel package, however when i try to do so, aptitude chokes on the udev thing and refuses to go further. however it claims that if i had the newer kernel, i would be able to upgrade udev |
| 11:25.59 | base3 | is there some way to force the kernel upgrade? |
| 11:26.50 | nsadmin | install the appropriate udev and kernel on the same command line |
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| 11:26.54 | base3 | my understanding is that aptitude -f install kernel-image-... would force ALL the things that aptitude wnats to install, including the udev which might break my system (if the new kernel didnt owrk) |
| 11:26.59 | nsadmin | or unpack each and then configure all of it |
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| 11:27.33 | base3 | nsadmin: how do i install a specific udev version? |
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| 11:28.04 | base3 | also, every time i try to install the kernel, it adds the udev upgrade to the list of things to do, because of other dependencies |
| 11:28.26 | base3 | so i'm not sure this would work, since it's already trying to upgrade udev? |
| 11:28.37 | nsadmin | the thing is that udev is probably connected to the base of debian in some ways so that if you upgrade it you might screw up other things |
| 11:28.51 | base3 | yes |
| 11:28.59 | nsadmin | what does cat /etc/debian_version say |
| 11:29.30 | nsadmin | also... let me see... |
| 11:29.34 | base3 | there is a warning that says you can force the udev upgrade WITHOUT the kernel upgrade, but it will definitely break the system |
| 11:29.37 | nsadmin | !versions |
| 11:29.45 | nsadmin | !version |
| 11:29.45 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 11:30.06 | base3 | squeeze/sid is the version |
| 11:30.12 | babilen | nsadmin: He's running squeeze IIRC |
| 11:30.20 | base3 | right babilen |
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| 11:31.04 | nsadmin | babilen: you running squeeze? or more familiar with it than NULL? :) |
| 11:31.07 | babilen | base3: Upgrade to kernel (probably manually), reboot, upgrade udev |
| 11:31.15 | babilen | nsadmin: hehe |
| 11:31.33 | hallo99 | I do a lenny netinstall, and grub fail's. Here is a screenshot of this: wget http://barclay.chaos-disciple.org/tmp/grub.png . Does anyone have an idea what's wrong here? |
| 11:31.33 | base3 | babilen: ok, do you mean compile it, or just download it and use dpkg? |
| 11:31.37 | nsadmin | is familiar with squeeze to the following degree |
| 11:31.40 | nsadmin | NULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 11:32.04 | babilen | base3: the latter - could you paste the output of your "install newer kernel" attempt? |
| 11:32.13 | base3 | ok will do |
| 11:32.19 | tim_abell | hi, i'm trying to create a package, and I'm stuck. the installation /reconfigure process hangs at the end of or after the postinst script and i don't know why. what can i do to troubleshoot this? |
| 11:32.33 | babilen | base3: You were the one with the safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade 24h wait, right? |
| 11:32.39 | base3 | babilen: right |
| 11:32.47 | base3 | i did full-upgrade in the end |
| 11:32.56 | babilen | and it worked out :) |
| 11:33.03 | nsadmin | tim_abell: you can put stuff in the postinst meant to see how far you get |
| 11:33.04 | base3 | there is a problem in that some parts of the xserver depend on the new udev |
| 11:33.20 | base3 | it might have asked me about this and i made the wrong decision (!) |
| 11:33.25 | nsadmin | how can I make a bash script print commands it's doing? |
| 11:33.26 | tim_abell | nsadmin, i added set -x to the script, and it seems to run all the way to the end |
| 11:33.41 | babilen | base3: Yes, we are aware of these problems. The recommended way to deal with it is to upgrade the kernel, then reboot and upgrade udev afterwards |
| 11:33.53 | base3 | i will quit now, start screen and rejoin so i can do the installation in the other window |
| 11:33.56 | nsadmin | ok, then what's the last step? |
| 11:34.00 | tim_abell | the only clue is that if i take out the call to start the service then the script exits fine |
| 11:34.06 | nsadmin | oh did you run lintian on it? |
| 11:34.08 | babilen | base3: alright - i'll be back in a second |
| 11:34.09 | base3 | ok cool babilen thianks for this, i will be back |
| 11:34.22 | nsadmin | I wonder if the package install is overwriting files |
| 11:35.01 | nsadmin | oh, starting the service |
| 11:35.18 | nsadmin | is that the last step? |
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| 11:36.04 | gh0st | tcpdump: WARNING: setsockopt: Invalid argument ? |
| 11:36.05 | tim_abell | nsadmin, er, about lintian, i get: internal error: internal error: syntax error in @packages array: b vrtsralus 12.5.2213-ems1.21 /home/tim/be/deb/build/vrtsralus_12.5.2213-ems1.21_i386.deb |
| 11:36.10 | tim_abell | and that stumped me |
| 11:36.29 | nsadmin | uhoh :) lintian is hosed?! |
| 11:36.45 | tim_abell | Lintian v1.24.2.1+lenny1 |
| 11:37.18 | nsadmin | well that certainly suggests there's a problem somewhere |
| 11:37.29 | nsadmin | I wonder if manoj is still doing that |
| 11:37.41 | tim_abell | what's odd is that the service start part runs fine, (though it is a slightly dubios init script that i didn't write), and the next line of the script runs (echo 'postinit done' >&2) then it doesn't get any further |
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| 11:37.52 | tim_abell | even odder if i run it again, it does exit |
| 11:38.12 | nsadmin | oh that should be 1>%2 |
| 11:38.18 | nsadmin | err no |
| 11:38.24 | nsadmin | 1>&2 |
| 11:38.28 | tim_abell | k, i'll change that |
| 11:38.35 | gh0st | where is files for editiin - socks on lenny |
| 11:38.41 | tim_abell | though i don't think that's the real problem |
| 11:38.53 | nsadmin | basically it means "this command should output to stderr" |
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| 11:40.38 | tim_abell | i don't think the package is overwriting anything because i created the structure for data.tar.gz myself |
| 11:40.52 | nsadmin | ok |
| 11:41.10 | nsadmin | now I don't think so either, since you showed that echo |
| 11:41.16 | nsadmin | so rebuild and try it :) |
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| 11:44.38 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 11:44.44 | nsadmin | lelo |
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| 11:45.17 | Nebukadneza | if i bailed with a "No" when dpkg asks me to upgrade or keep the local version of a configuration file and i later realize that i might have wanted to upgrade, how do i get back to that point? |
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| 11:47.44 | nsadmin | Nebukadneza: so no would mean "keep local version" and you want to get new/packaged version? |
| 11:48.01 | Nebukadneza | yes |
| 11:48.19 | Nebukadneza | a simple aptitude remove/install or reinstall didn't work |
| 11:48.23 | nsadmin | so first off, I'd back up the local version, then purge and reinstall the package |
| 11:48.30 | gh0st | how can i patch patch-2.6.34-rc1-git1.bz2 |
| 11:48.30 | nsadmin | you would purge it |
| 11:48.32 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 11:48.40 | Nebukadneza | purging mysql won't kill me my databases? |
| 11:48.46 | tim_abell | nsadmin, still no dice. here's the config & postinst - http://paste.debian.net/63490/ |
| 11:48.52 | nsadmin | that I don't know |
| 11:48.57 | Nebukadneza | (but ... there was a command that did that ... i just don't remember) |
| 11:49.13 | nsadmin | is it mysql you're dealing with? |
| 11:49.20 | Nebukadneza | yes |
| 11:49.45 | Nebukadneza | could've said that earlier, sorry |
| 11:49.48 | nsadmin | wait, you removed it already... but it didn't remove the dbs? |
| 11:49.56 | Nebukadneza | sure |
| 11:50.01 | Nebukadneza | remove doesn't touch dbs/configs, right? |
| 11:50.04 | nsadmin | so you're in touchy waters |
| 11:50.13 | Nebukadneza | touchy waters? (sorry, bad english striking back) |
| 11:50.15 | nsadmin | backup the database before going any further |
| 11:50.25 | Nebukadneza | for purge, yes :P |
| 11:50.37 | nsadmin | a metaphor for small trouble |
| 11:50.41 | Nebukadneza | ah, kay |
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| 11:51.09 | Nebukadneza | ahh, purge asks whether or not to remove the DBs |
| 11:51.14 | nsadmin | but the smallness actually depends on the value you consider for the data |
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| 11:51.49 | Nebukadneza | well, i *do* have a nightly backup |
| 11:52.10 | nsadmin | I'd still think you should back up to get it in its CURRENT state |
| 11:52.21 | gh0st | how can i unpack patch-2.6.34-rc1-git1.bz2 ? |
| 11:52.24 | Nebukadneza | as said, already did that |
| 11:52.26 | nsadmin | unless you KNOW nothing changed |
| 11:52.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:52.34 | Nebukadneza | additionally i know nothing has changed |
| 11:52.38 | tim_abell | so, I actually see the "echo 'postinst - started service' 1>&2" line run, but then it just hangs. if i hit ctrl-c that kills it, the package is left half installed. running apt-get install vrtsralus for a second time makes it run fine |
| 11:52.39 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:53.09 | Nebukadneza | zup, i think i've purged everything that has to do with mysql... |
| 11:53.39 | Nebukadneza | lets see what happens when installing again |
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| 11:54.47 | nsadmin | when it asks that, it's assuming you made a change to the config file... is it right? |
| 11:54.49 | tim_abell | and this is the init script http://paste.debian.net/63491/ |
| 11:55.16 | Nebukadneza | nsadmin: i ..think |
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| 11:56.35 | nsadmin | tim_abell just a thought... you -could- look at what the debian command start-stop-daemon does, perhaps you could replace that big giant if statement with one line |
| 11:57.15 | tim_abell | i didn't really want to get into re-writing the supplied init script :-s |
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| 11:57.56 | nsadmin | Nebukadneza: so if it's right and you edited the file, at least you have the backup you made of it before doing all this purging |
| 11:58.14 | Nebukadneza | ahh, nice, it seems to have worked |
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| 12:00.19 | tim_abell | i've spent rather too long already learning debian packaging :) |
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| 12:00.48 | tim_abell | though i suppose if it's the init script causing the problem it will be worth it |
| 12:01.12 | tim_abell | thanks for the pointer and friendly ear nsadmin, i'll look into that and see how i get on |
| 12:01.50 | stranger | i have a 7.2mb usb hspa modem what is the baud setting for that? |
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| 12:05.14 | yesitisjustme | any of the debian live cd able to install to harddrive? |
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| 12:05.51 | nsadmin | tim_abell are you going to be building pacages of other stuff? |
| 12:06.15 | nsadmin | yesitisjustme: but... is it just you?! |
| 12:06.36 | yesitisjustme | :-D |
| 12:06.45 | nsadmin | not sure live cd can install or not |
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| 12:07.33 | tim_abell | nsadmin, i hope so |
| 12:07.53 | adb | !debian live |
| 12:07.53 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://live.debian.net/ Note that the live CD doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:10.58 | jelly | stranger: it's not really relevant for a usb device. Try whatever works, eg. 115200 |
| 12:12.03 | stranger | jelly, will try that. thanks. is there a way to do a port forwarding with such a thing? |
| 12:13.20 | jelly | stranger: you will eventually get a ppp network device out of it and yes, will be able to do port forwarding or NAT or whatever. |
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| 12:15.22 | jelly | stranger: depending on what your provider allows, connections initiated from Teh Internetz may or may not actually work, but it's not Linux fault |
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| 12:22.00 | chrisw | hi all, am I right in thinking that on a unix box, /var is where all data should go for apps, and whatever /var is mounted to should eb robust and large? |
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| 12:22.28 | developerare | I'm starting synaptic without been printed for the root password! How can I change this? |
| 12:22.53 | babilen | chrisw: That depends on the type os data. /usr/share and /usr/local/share might be good choices as well. Read the FHS for detailed information |
| 12:23.06 | chrisw | wehre is the FHS? |
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| 12:23.21 | babilen | chrisw: hile hierarchy standard |
| 12:23.22 | chrisw | I taek it storing dta in /opt is "bad", right? |
| 12:23.27 | babilen | chrisw: /hile/file |
| 12:23.40 | chrisw | babilen: I don't follow |
| 12:23.57 | nvz | chrisw: /opt/ and /usr/local/ are two places you can install things that are outside the normal system package manager |
| 12:24.01 | adb | !HFS |
| 12:24.01 | dpkg | HFS is the Hierarchial File System (aka Mac OS Standard) from Apple Computer, the default filesystem on Mac OS (prior to Mac OS X). <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. The Linux hfs filesystem driver can read/write HFS filesystems, tools are in the hfsutils package. <parted> can resize HFS (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. See also <hfsplus>. |
| 12:24.01 | babilen | !fhs |
| 12:24.01 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 12:24.10 | babilen | adb: :-p |
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| 12:24.43 | babilen | chrisw: If the data is meant to be served to clients you might also want to put it /srv (repositories, ...) |
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| 12:25.08 | chrisw | nvz: yeah, btu I'm talkign about where apps should put theri data? |
| 12:25.32 | nvz | chrisw: usually in /var/ depending on what it is |
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| 12:25.54 | nvz | chrisw: a web browser for example puts things it saves into the user's homedir |
| 12:27.12 | babilen | chrisw: What kind of data are we talking about? Is it going to change, are you referring to static data files (like pictures needed by an application) is it going to be served by a daemon? |
| 12:27.14 | chrisw | I'm tlaking abotu server apps (web servers, databases, etc) |
| 12:27.56 | x3cu710n3r | im back now... |
| 12:28.05 | x3cu710n3r | you guys said that irssi came with debian? |
| 12:28.16 | jelly | x3cu710n3r: yes! |
| 12:28.20 | jelly | judd: versions irssi |
| 12:28.22 | judd | irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.14-1; squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
| 12:28.38 | babilen | chrisw: If you are talking about databases/web pages/.. they are typically stored in /var |
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| 12:29.03 | x3cu710n3r | awsome :) found it :) |
| 12:29.07 | x3cu710n3r | thanks! |
| 12:30.00 | chrisw | babilen: right |
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| 12:38.43 | km0ti0n | Tripwire's installer talks about the passkey being visiible on debian machiens, I assume that's only for a short period of time? |
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| 12:39.01 | km0ti0n | once it's completed is the passkey still readable? |
| 12:39.34 | hftircuser | bla |
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| 12:42.37 | Ayromos | it's not perfect but it' usable for personnal mirrors ... http://pastebin.com/nXSkUQrm |
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| 12:46.14 | eviltoaster | torrent client with web gui? |
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| 12:48.15 | babilen | !tell eviltoaster -about search |
| 12:48.28 | babilen | eviltoaster: That being said: check torrentflux and transmission |
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| 12:49.04 | eviltoaster | babilen, i already checked transmission |
| 12:49.17 | eviltoaster | but thanks for torrentflux |
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| 12:51.52 | Lin | hi i'm planning install a proxy to apt here, i have found 3 of them apt-proxy, apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng, all my servers are debian, but desktops are ubuntu/debian. I need some funcionalities (in order of importance). 1. Be able to handle multiple distributions/releases/versions on same server (mandatory) . 2. Easy browseable strucuture (allowing me to share as a repository) (desired). 3. Seamless client configuration (as http_proxy or apt::proxy |
| 12:51.53 | Lin | ) (optional). which one is recommended? |
| 12:53.42 | stranger | jelly, I have managed to run it under debian squeeze but it gives me a lowid in amule. I need to port-forward certain ports |
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| 12:54.02 | ferr | eviltoaster: your can also try qbittorrent < it's realy fast client |
| 12:55.05 | eviltoaster | ferr, oki thanks. |
| 12:55.08 | jelly | stranger: as I said, you can use standard ways to do that, but it's important to figure out and test whether your ISP supports it at all. |
| 12:57.03 | jelly | stranger: if you run your peer-to-peer client on the same machine with the 3g modem, and that modem is the default connection to the internet (default route goes there), then there's nothing to port-forward |
| 12:57.19 | stranger | jelly, what are the 'standard ways'? when I had an adsl connection, I used to ssh to the the device -or use the web interface- to specify the ports, these usb modem do not seem to have a ssh nor web interface |
| 12:57.33 | jelly | stranger: iptables |
| 12:58.01 | jelly | stranger: do you have only one machine? |
| 12:58.06 | stranger | yes |
| 12:58.15 | jelly | stranger: then there's no forwarding to do |
| 12:58.43 | stranger | jelly, so does this mean that that port is closed by ISP? |
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| 12:59.05 | jelly | stranger: pretty much yes. If inbound connections do not work, blame your local firewall rules, or your ISP. |
| 12:59.24 | jelly | stranger: if you have no local firewall, well, it's a pretty clear situation. |
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| 12:59.32 | liable | i would imagine 3G isp's would likely block torrent |
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| 13:00.04 | jelly | it's not torrent, it's aMule! :-) |
| 13:00.42 | jelly | stranger: you could try using a wellknown port, or ask your provider for the list of unblocked inbound ports. |
| 13:01.12 | stranger | jelly, I had one which had all ports open including amule and torrent but it had a very bad coverage. so I thought of trying out this one... well |
| 13:01.16 | jpinx-eeepc | stranger: transmission allows port selections iirc |
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| 13:03.21 | stranger | jpinx-eeepc, could you say that more clearly ? |
| 13:03.45 | jpinx-eeepc | stranger: aptitude show transmission - it's a torrent client |
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| 13:04.21 | atlantide | Is it possible to pass distribution lenny/sid to squeeze/sid wath can i do it ? thank |
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| 13:06.41 | jelly | atlantide: what? |
| 13:06.41 | Necrosporus | Have you tried Debian 1.0? |
| 13:07.01 | jelly | !tell Necrosporus about polls |
| 13:07.11 | arctanx | Here's an interesting one... I put debian on my new eeepc with an atheros ar9285 in it. After booting debian I can't use either the wifi or the built-in ethernet, and more interestingly the wifi has stopped detecting any networks in windows XP where it was before |
| 13:07.31 | arctanx | has anyone worked with this hardware, or does anyone have any suggetsions? |
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| 13:08.35 | Necrosporus | Probably it's not so bad poll, as probably only small amount of people here tried Debian 1.0 |
| 13:08.35 | arctanx | The ethernet was working fine during the debian installer so I'm not sure what happened there. It's the wifi being permanently disabled which bothers me right now |
| 13:09.02 | atlantide | when i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" i have this error message "Lecture des listes de paquets... Erreur ! |
| 13:09.02 | atlantide | E: Vous avez dépassé le nombre de descriptions que cette version d'APT est capable de traiter. |
| 13:09.02 | atlantide | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-fr |
| 13:09.03 | atlantide | E: Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou lus. |
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| 13:09.30 | petemc | Necrosporus: debian 1.0 was never released |
| 13:09.35 | themill | Necrosporus: are you actuall here for support or are you here to be an annoying prat like last time? |
| 13:09.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell atlantide about localized errors |
| 13:09.54 | ASIRIneiluj | hi |
| 13:09.55 | jelly | dpkg, tell atlantide about paste |
| 13:10.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell atlantide about fr |
| 13:10.12 | streuner | jelly: gone |
| 13:10.32 | streuner | s/gone/kicked/ |
| 13:10.33 | jelly | streuner: gone from the channel, but not gone from the network |
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| 13:10.42 | ASIRIneiluj | I'd like help with setting my environment |
| 13:11.02 | jelly | streuner: that'll give them something to read |
| 13:11.03 | ASIRIneiluj | I export a lot ofenv variable in my .zprofile (I use zsh) |
| 13:11.13 | streuner | jelly: oh, ic |
| 13:11.17 | ASIRIneiluj | it works well for all of them |
| 13:11.24 | ASIRIneiluj | except for LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:11.26 | atlantide | when i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" i have this error message " E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-fr" |
| 13:11.26 | Necrosporus | I would like to get the iso image of one of first GNU/Linux distros |
| 13:11.36 | Necrosporus | Like SLS-1.02 |
| 13:11.43 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:11.47 | ASIRIneiluj | do any of you know of a place where this might get stripped |
| 13:11.51 | themill | Necrosporus: try ##linux. Is any of this on-topic for #debian? |
| 13:11.54 | Necrosporus | Or may be first debian |
| 13:12.01 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly using a kded module installed in my home dir |
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| 13:12.17 | ASIRIneiluj | and a few other softs and library as well |
| 13:12.39 | ASIRIneiluj | for these I worked the problem around by re-exporting it in .zshrc |
| 13:12.59 | ASIRIneiluj | but for my kded modules, I need the var in the environment of the kded process |
| 13:13.07 | ASIRIneiluj | not launched from a shell |
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| 13:13.26 | atlantide | Is it possible to pass distribution lenny/sid to squeeze/sid what can i do it ?when i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" i have this error message " E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-fr" |
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| 13:13.47 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: .zshrc and .zprofile are only used for interactive sessions. I don't really know whether using .zshenv will be early enough (or used at all) in the Xsession process |
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| 13:14.24 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly then why are the other variable I set present in the environment of kded ? |
| 13:14.33 | rvsjoen | !tell atlantide about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:14.40 | ASIRIneiluj | except for this exact one |
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| 13:15.14 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: are they really? Can you see them in /proc/pid-of-kded/environ ? |
| 13:15.23 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly: exactly |
| 13:15.55 | ASIRIneiluj | let me cite the zsh man : If the shell is a login shell, commands are read from /etc/zsh/zprofile and then $ZDOTDIR/.zprofile. Then, if the shell is interactive, commands are read from /etc/zsh/zshrc and then $ZDOTDIR/.zshrc. |
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| 13:16.38 | ASIRIneiluj | it seems .zprofile is the place where to put that kind of stuff |
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| 13:16.56 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: it could be kded or something that invokes it intentionally clears LD_LIBRARY_PATH; if there was a setuid in the process, that'd be the reason |
| 13:17.27 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly: it's stripped everywhere |
| 13:17.35 | ASIRIneiluj | including in my interactive shells |
| 13:17.45 | ASIRIneiluj | so it's not kded specific |
| 13:18.22 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: are you saying that you have export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=foo in ~/.zshrc and it's not set in an open terminal? |
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| 13:19.17 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly: no, I'm saying that I have it in .zprofile and that it's not set in open terminals |
| 13:19.33 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: that's normal. terminals are not login shells. |
| 13:19.34 | ASIRIneiluj | so, as a workaround, I've set it in .zshrc |
| 13:19.41 | ASIRIneiluj | in this case it works |
| 13:19.54 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly: they surely inherit from a login shell |
| 13:20.02 | jelly | ASIRIneiluj: use .zshenv to set environment variables |
| 13:20.12 | ASIRIneiluj | ok, I'll try that |
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| 13:22.21 | testi | Can I remount a filesystem in another place (e.g. using --bind) so that creating symlinks on the new filesystem is no longer allowed? Or can I configure openssh's internal-sftp to disallow symlink creation? |
| 13:23.20 | chemistrydioxide | Hello, can someone help me? My keyboard stopped working when i updated Debian Squeeze. I've been googleing a lot, but i didn't find anything helpful. |
| 13:23.37 | crono- | Hey, how can I add a samba resource printer? I have no problem adding a printer through lpadmin or its frontends, or through HP's own GUI, however neither seem to support samba/username+password in the syntax that i use (e.g. DOMAIN\user) |
| 13:23.40 | JarRoDk | i have problem with debian etch |
| 13:23.54 | brutus | hey....I need to include the X library for a particular application I'm installing...it says it needs to include /usr/X11R6/lib....but I can't find that on my machine...any help? |
| 13:23.59 | JarRoDk | i can't add him to internet and i must install rpm |
| 13:24.28 | chemistrydioxide | the issue is somehow related to the x server - it's not a hardware issue and the kbd is working on tty |
| 13:24.34 | JarRoDk | i traying to get iso 4.0 etch but no success |
| 13:24.53 | f00li5h | which package is it that the installer configures when it asks me for my keyboard layout? |
| 13:25.01 | f00li5h | I told it Uk, and this keyboard is not from there |
| 13:25.08 | chemistrydioxide | testi: you could use a chroot environment or another filesystem |
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| 13:26.28 | chemistrydioxide | f00li5h: are you referring to my issue? |
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| 13:27.40 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: does the mouse fail to work as well? |
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| 13:28.28 | chemistrydioxide | brutus: if the lib is missing on your machine, you need to install it; if you're compiling somthing you might need to install a developer package for the lib |
| 13:28.41 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: nope, the mouse is working fine |
| 13:28.51 | ASIRIneiluj | jelly: I know why I didn't use .zshenv now ... since it's sourced in every shells, it can be sourced multiple times once by the ancestor login shell, then by the actual interactive shell |
| 13:29.07 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: that's how i can switch to console mode where the kbd is working |
| 13:29.12 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: care to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists? Use "/msg dpkg pastebinit" or "/msg dpkg pastebin pipe" |
| 13:29.27 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: oh, ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to VT1 doesn't work either? |
| 13:29.28 | ASIRIneiluj | and my "export PATH=$PATH:foo" give me multiple foo |
| 13:29.33 | brutus | chemistrydioxide, what package should I download to get this directory? I thought this came default with XServer... |
| 13:29.43 | f00li5h | chemistrydioxide: what? no. it's *my* issue, and you can get your own. |
| 13:30.01 | chemistrydioxide | jelly, no, ctrl-alt-F1 doesn't work from X |
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| 13:31.10 | jelly | f00li5h: which debian release? |
| 13:31.24 | testi | chemistrydioxide, well sftp is chrooted - but other services that access the same directory and that do follow symlinks (cannot be configured) access the same directory are incapable of efficiently being chrooted. That's why no workaround exists other than disabling symlink creation. |
| 13:31.41 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: btw, /etc/X11/xkb was completely empty. i copied /share/X11/xkb to /etc/X11/xkb , but that didn't help |
| 13:32.00 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: noone suggested to do that |
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| 13:32.28 | testi | chemistrydioxide, i cannot convert the underlying filesystem as other services require symlinks for other purposes, but i could remount it using cifs instead of --bind, but that seems very ugly. |
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| 13:33.01 | f00li5h | jelly: umm, etchandahalf |
| 13:33.12 | f00li5h | no! it's lenny! |
| 13:33.41 | chemistrydioxide | brutus: don't know, sorry |
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| 13:34.26 | jelly | f00li5h, /msg dpkg keymap |
| 13:35.12 | f00li5h | umm... |
| 13:35.20 | f00li5h | so i have to configure X seperately? |
| 13:35.32 | f00li5h | even though I didn't configure it seperately to get it like this? |
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| 13:44.25 | jelly | you didn't specify it was X keymap, f00li5h |
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| 13:45.24 | jelly | frankly I don't remember the proper way to set up xorg keymap in lenny so someone else will have to jump in |
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| 13:45.54 | f00li5h | jelly: I want to change both, the robot mentioend both |
| 13:46.03 | jelly | f00li5h: so, heed the robot! |
| 13:46.10 | f00li5h | it says run man xmodmap |
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| 13:46.17 | f00li5h | and from what I recall, taht's a bastard |
| 13:46.34 | jelly | it also says to ask it about "drxx" |
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| 13:46.57 | jelly | fwiw, I agree with your assessment of xmodmap |
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| 13:47.11 | ziomek | hi! i have 2 computer. First is i686 and second is a amd64, this is work when i compile kernel do *deb (compilie kernel with debian way) od the i686 and then i copy this deb to the amd64 and install? this is a case to work? |
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| 13:47.43 | jelly | f00li5h: something like "setxkbmap en uk" should probably do it for the current session |
| 13:48.06 | f00li5h | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 13:48.10 | f00li5h | pesky thing |
| 13:48.19 | f00li5h | is there a way to sync it with the console map? |
| 13:48.30 | jelly | perhaps en gb, I'm guessing wildly ehre |
| 13:48.31 | f00li5h | I don't understand why X should get it's own map at all! |
| 13:48.36 | f00li5h | it's the same hardware! |
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| 13:48.44 | jelly | it has its own input device drivers |
| 13:48.53 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: X.org log is here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6e3aeb3e/ |
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| 13:49.01 | jelly | f00li5h: things will be somewaht more unified in squeeze |
| 13:49.01 | f00li5h | why would it need them? |
| 13:49.08 | f00li5h | squeeze! |
| 13:49.15 | f00li5h | where can i get one of those? |
| 13:49.24 | Kobaz | i just upgraded to apache 2.2 (sid) and i'm getting: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy.so: undefined symbol: ap_timeout_parameter_parse |
| 13:49.27 | jelly | f00li5h: please wait until it's releases |
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| 13:49.33 | jelly | s/s$/d/ |
| 13:49.49 | f00li5h | I don't want to run sid... sid scares me |
| 13:49.56 | Kobaz | sid is fine |
| 13:50.01 | Kobaz | except for apache 2.2 |
| 13:50.15 | f00li5h | can trust this guy, he seems legit |
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| 13:50.22 | Kobaz | heh |
| 13:50.24 | themill | "except for all the things that are broken, it's not broken"... nice one |
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| 13:50.31 | jelly | Kobaz: so you will support all the user's questions about sid and broken OS here, great! |
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| 13:50.45 | f00li5h | well volunteered! |
| 13:50.52 | jelly | claps hands |
| 13:51.14 | Kobaz | i can generally fix any problems i come across in sid |
| 13:51.40 | Kobaz | even this apache issue is fixable... i'll probably just wind up compiling apache from source since it looks like the package maintainer didn't compile it right |
| 13:51.40 | f00li5h | cool, you submitting them upstream? |
| 13:51.56 | Kobaz | no.. heh, sadly |
| 13:52.06 | f00li5h | so, next install, you fix them again? |
| 13:52.15 | ziomek | hi! sorry for my language. I have two computer, the first amd64 second i686, on the i686 i compiling the kernel for the latter - amd64 and at the end i copy same package deb on amd64 and install it, has the right to act? |
| 13:52.20 | Kobaz | next upgrade they are usually fixed |
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| 13:52.43 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: and here is my x.org config: http://paste.debian.net/63498/ |
| 13:53.01 | ziomek | or maybe i need amd64 to compiling kenrel for amd64 |
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| 13:53.20 | Kobaz | the packages in stable (and even testing sometimes) are just way too old to be of use some times |
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| 13:53.47 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: what happens if you 0. restart hal for good measure; 1. move away xorg.conf 2. restart X/gdm/whatever? |
| 13:54.59 | f00li5h | jelly: xsetkbmap us # does it ... but I suspect it's not going to last |
| 13:55.05 | Kobaz | speaking of old... i need to upgrade postgres one of these days |
| 13:55.12 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: I'm afraid restarting something will not help; the keyboard hasn't been working for several weeks now. |
| 13:55.17 | jelly | f00li5h: but that's US keyboard layout! |
| 13:55.45 | f00li5h | yes! |
| 13:55.58 | f00li5h | it matches what is on the buttons ... well, what would be on the buttons, were they labeled |
| 13:55.59 | jelly | you said you wanted UK! |
| 13:56.04 | f00li5h | no, I have them! |
| 13:56.06 | jelly | oh |
| 13:56.18 | f00li5h | I can get a \ again! |
| 13:56.32 | jelly | what we've got here is, failure to communicate |
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| 13:56.35 | f00li5h | this is helpful especially for taking references and escaping things in perl! |
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| 13:57.03 | f00li5h | jelly: well, I managed to extract an answer from you... so thanks are still in order |
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| 13:59.12 | jelly | goes with the generic answer |
| 13:59.19 | jelly | !tell chemistrydioxide about xorg config squeeze |
| 13:59.29 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: moving away the config doesn't work |
| 13:59.46 | chemistrydioxide | i mean, it works, but it doesn't help |
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| 14:01.09 | Kobaz | where would i get the ./configure options that a package is built with.... is it in the source package somewhere? |
| 14:01.13 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: and restarting anything doesn't help either |
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| 14:01.40 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: in addition to what the bot told you in private, some parts of the config may or may not have moved from /etc/default/console-setup to /etc/default/keyboard |
| 14:02.06 | Acony | whatz up people :D |
| 14:02.16 | jelly | Acony: the sky! |
| 14:02.39 | Acony | jelly, the porn :D |
| 14:03.05 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: /usr/bin/ckbcomp: Can not find file "symbols/us-int" in any known directory |
| 14:03.29 | chemistrydioxide | that's what i get when i reconfigure console-setup |
| 14:04.25 | jelly | chemistrydioxide: what happens if you replace "us-int" with "us" in the aforementioned files |
| 14:05.17 | F15ch3r | I want to setup a machine server connected to a switch and can capture all the traffic that pass throughout this switch.. I have the right tools for this but I can't figure out what |
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| 14:06.31 | abrotman | F15ch3r: that depends on your switch .. |
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| 14:06.53 | F15ch3r | ok how ? |
| 14:07.03 | F15ch3r | you mean monitor port ? |
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| 14:07.36 | abrotman | F15ch3r: switch configuration is a question for ##networking |
| 14:07.54 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup stops complaining, but nothing changes; even the keyboard layout on the console stays german |
| 14:08.14 | F15ch3r | ok ok |
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| 14:16.43 | cire | I have a dmcrypted partition and don't want it to be mounted automagically. Instead, users shall be able to mount it. How do you do that? |
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| 14:16.47 | cire | (using luks) |
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| 14:18.56 | f00li5h | cire: if you specify "user" as a flag in fstab ... |
| 14:19.06 | f00li5h | you can give it a group |
| 14:19.12 | cire | f00li5h: yes, I know that |
| 14:19.14 | cire | but |
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| 14:19.23 | cire | It is encrypted, and users shall decrypt it. |
| 14:19.28 | cire | via password |
| 14:19.29 | f00li5h | fine. |
| 14:19.43 | cire | if I add it to fstab, I have to add the /dev/mapper/NAME |
| 14:19.59 | cire | but this doesn't exist before decrypting it |
| 14:20.12 | f00li5h | nope, too hard. I fold. |
| 14:20.14 | Titan8990 | cire: does the UUID exist? |
| 14:20.18 | cire | Can this be done autimatically, or do they have to call cryptsetup luksOpen... |
| 14:20.39 | trone | how I can remove configuration file in the right way? (dpkg -l: I have rc status in removed packages, and I don't know if rm -rf files is the right way (TM) for debian apt-get db) |
| 14:20.39 | cire | Titan8990: which UUID? |
| 14:20.48 | cire | from my encrypted partition? |
| 14:21.00 | trone | apt-get purge doesnt work because indeed, the package doesnt exist more. |
| 14:21.27 | cire | Titan8990: blkid shows my UUIDs of encrypted partitions |
| 14:22.37 | Titan8990 | cire: maybe you can add it to fstab using the UUID |
| 14:22.44 | cire | I will try |
| 14:23.57 | Titan8990 | cire: i think blkid keeps a cache however, so check and make sure it exists at /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 14:24.47 | cire | Titan8990: so this UUID points to my encrypted device. What is its filesystem-type? ext3 is the container INSIDE. |
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| 14:26.23 | trone | ok, dpkg -P <package> |
| 14:27.56 | chemistrydioxide | jelly: i have to go now and my keyboard doesn't work; thank you for your help anyway |
| 14:28.01 | chemistrydioxide | is now afk |
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| 14:37.28 | cire | Titan8990: It was easily possible. Entering UUID of encrypted partition into /etc/crapttab with option "noauto", and adding same UUID & target into fstab works fine |
| 14:37.38 | cire | s/crypttab/crypttab |
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| 14:37.47 | cire | craptab |
| 14:37.52 | cire | ^^ |
| 14:38.10 | jeff_hann | :)) |
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| 14:41.04 | feisar | has anyone noticed that Quassel seems to be very i/o intensive? |
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| 14:42.40 | f00bar80 | any useful unhex package ? |
| 14:43.11 | f00li5h | f00bar80: what are you unhexing? and do you mean url escaping? |
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| 14:43.15 | f00li5h | err, url encoding |
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| 14:44.17 | f00bar80 | f00li5h, usbsniffer log |
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| 14:47.06 | Ironhand | is the Lenny installer capable of resizing NTFS filesystems? |
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| 14:48.25 | f00li5h | f00bar80: oh, i see |
| 14:48.25 | gh0st | cplx: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.34-rc1-ghost-next-20100310+/modules.builtin': No such file or directory |
| 14:48.27 | gh0st | make[2]: *** [_modinst_] Error 1 |
| 14:48.29 | f00li5h | f00bar80: xxd might help |
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| 14:50.47 | gh0st | why? that |
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| 14:51.20 | a-atwood | ack. hosed my X installation. I was trying to get GL working at installed fglrx-glx w/o realizing it was for later video cards than I had. How do I recover? |
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| 14:51.27 | nicon_ | Hi all. |
| 14:51.43 | nicon_ | Is there any repositories where I can find the newest kde-4.4? |
| 14:52.23 | babilen | nicon_: no - but check http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:52.54 | o2 | Do I have to aptitude update after editing /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 14:52.58 | babilen | a-atwood: Just use a different driver. |
| 14:53.05 | babilen | o2: no |
| 14:53.08 | o2 | thx |
| 14:53.27 | babilen | a-atwood: What is the problem? (grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 14:55.05 | babilen | a-atwood: You might also want to try the radeon/radeonhd driver. They work beautifully over here |
| 14:55.09 | nicon_ | babilen: I saw that. |
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| 14:55.21 | nicon_ | babilen: do you know when it will be availble? |
| 14:55.32 | babilen | nicon_: When it's ready. :) |
| 14:55.55 | nicon_ | babilen: thanks for so useful information. |
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| 14:56.05 | nicon_ | s/useful/helpful |
| 14:56.29 | babilen | nicon_: You might also want to check with #debian-kde over at OFTC and/or read the mailing list archive |
| 14:56.40 | nicon_ | kk, thanks. |
| 14:56.42 | a-atwood | radeon is installed. I think I just need to reconfigure. 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' didn't seem to work |
| 14:56.44 | nicon_ | hand. |
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| 14:57.18 | a-atwood | I HATE screwing up when my blood sugar is low. 8( |
| 14:57.29 | babilen | !comfort a-atwood |
| 14:57.29 | dpkg | There, there, a-atwood. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:57.51 | a-atwood | lmao |
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| 14:58.02 | babilen | a-atwood: Which debian version are you using? |
| 14:58.10 | a-atwood | lenny |
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| 14:58.26 | babilen | !radeon |
| 14:58.26 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo #radeon on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:58.28 | a-atwood | lenny amd-64 |
| 14:58.32 | babilen | !radeon firmware |
| 14:58.32 | dpkg | In Squeeze, binary-only firmware is removed from the radeon <DRM> driver as of linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel. |
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| 14:59.22 | babilen | a-atwood: You probably just want to edit your xorg.conf and change the driver in the "Device" section |
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| 14:59.52 | a-atwood | babilen: okies. will eat something first so I don't screw anything else up. 8) |
| 15:00.01 | babilen | !xorg-config lenny |
| 15:00.06 | babilen | !xorg config lenny |
| 15:00.06 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 15:00.20 | feisar | hi can someone help me work out why one of my drives does not show up with the command blkid? |
| 15:00.26 | babilen | a-atwood: alright - come back when you have consumed some mana packs :) |
| 15:01.46 | feisar | I have hda1 hda2 sdb1 but sda is not listed but it exists in /dev |
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| 15:02.22 | babilen | feisar: Haven't seen that behaviour before :-\ |
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| 15:02.51 | feisar | it's really strange, sda is not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid either |
| 15:03.34 | feisar | although it is listed under disk/by-id |
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| 15:04.40 | inckie | which package does apache2-ssl-certificate comes with? |
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| 15:05.20 | wols_ | inckie: checked packages.debian.org? |
| 15:05.28 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package 'ssl-cert' instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
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| 15:06.15 | inckie | thx ^^ |
| 15:06.42 | abrotman | kind of misses apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 15:07.02 | pierreghz | !roulette |
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| 15:14.56 | petemc | abrotman: self signed certs are nothing but pain these days, ime |
| 15:15.30 | f00li5h | unless you self sign a CA and then tell critters to install the CA before viewing your https site |
| 15:15.30 | abrotman | petemc: are you just joining in .. or saying i should get real ones? |
| 15:15.38 | petemc | just joining in |
| 15:15.47 | f00li5h | ssl is about *trust* |
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| 15:15.51 | abrotman | f00li5h: that's just as goofy as doing a self-signed cert |
| 15:15.55 | f00li5h | if they don't trust you, they can sod off |
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| 15:16.19 | Solver | self-signed certs are fine |
| 15:16.21 | Solver | it's all about trust |
| 15:16.25 | f00li5h | abrotman: only the install sticks accross browser sessions, and you can sign many certs and only squash one error (instead of one per cert) |
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| 15:16.52 | abrotman | f00li5h: it's still the same idea of having to "coerce" your users to accept the CA |
| 15:17.12 | f00li5h | perhpas ... |
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| 15:17.32 | f00li5h | again, that's where the trust comes in |
| 15:17.42 | themill | The "zomg it's a self-signed cert" error messages you get from modern browsers are discouraging for the average punter |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | so trusting a cert vs trusting the CA .. take your pick .. |
| 15:18.08 | petemc | plus the browser makers are making it harder to add exceptions |
| 15:18.24 | petemc | its far easier to spring £10 on a cert |
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| 15:19.03 | f00li5h | for repeat users (such as intranet users) installing the cert is fine |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | remind me why there isn't a free service for this? one that is trusted by IE/FF/Opera/Safari/Chrome on install .. how about if google actually did something like that .. with its other bazillion free services |
| 15:19.21 | f00li5h | if you're exposing it direct to users, the CA is less good |
| 15:19.41 | f00li5h | abrotman: I'm pretty sure tehre is ... |
| 15:20.00 | abrotman | f00li5h: there's openca.org IIRC, but i don't believe IE trusts those on install |
| 15:20.04 | themill | abrotman: step (1), convince MS and Apple to include your CA cert in their browsers against the commercial agreements they have with the existing CAs... |
| 15:20.06 | f00li5h | http://www.cacert.org/ |
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| 15:21.30 | abrotman | f00li5h: pretty sure IE doesn't like those .. could be wrong |
| 15:21.56 | abrotman | but google would have the clout to do this |
| 15:22.04 | f00li5h | well, worst case, it's the same as a self signed CA... only it has other critters trying to get it installed too |
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| 15:23.03 | abrotman | which .. doens't help |
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| 15:23.18 | f00li5h | which is no worse |
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| 15:41.40 | MrShad0wX | wtf? |
| 15:41.41 | MrShad0wX | xD |
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| 15:52.40 | Gemmazz | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236360.jpg does my ass look big? |
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| 15:53.00 | root_grapefruit | hey I'm trying to compel some c code with ncurses in it. Which library do I need to install to make it work on debian? |
| 15:53.22 | root_grapefruit | already installed libncurses5 but it didn't help |
| 15:53.34 | sepult | libncurses5-dev |
| 15:53.38 | root_grapefruit | ah thxt |
| 15:53.40 | root_grapefruit | thx |
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| 15:54.09 | sepult | the others don't contain the main headers i think |
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| 15:56.14 | sepult | so they won't be in /usr/include if you don't have the -dev.deb's installed |
| 15:56.25 | sepult | i'm not sure though |
| 15:56.38 | sepult | have a look before and after |
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| 15:59.22 | swordz | Hi. Is there a log kept anywhere of updates to the server time? |
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| 16:00.11 | swordz | I've had code that's worked fine for quite a while suddenly fail (but only once) and the only thing I can think of is the time was out for that period |
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| 16:02.44 | cahoot | swordz: look in /var/log |
| 16:03.40 | swordz | None of the log files look right |
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| 16:05.15 | gh0st | how can i scan for wireless points? |
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| 16:06.29 | cahoot | iwlist scan |
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| 16:06.31 | petemc | gh0st: iwlist, network manager, wicd |
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| 16:17.22 | damian | Is there a deb package for python-webkitgtk that anyone knows that isn't broken? I'm running the latest ubuntu 64 bit, and compiling brought me nothing but errors. I've already done google searches and asked in the #ubuntu forum. I would appreciate the help :) |
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| 16:17.58 | themill | damian: #ubuntu is the right place for you to ask |
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| 16:18.39 | damian | er Irc chat that is. I know lol I just thought I'd ask because ubuntu is debian based |
| 16:18.47 | Ghost-r | am on an acer laptop and cd/dvd are not getting detected ? do I have to pass some kernel paramerter ? |
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| 16:20.51 | gh0st | wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported |
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| 16:22.30 | tim_abell | nsadmin, thanks again for your help, i've re-written the supplied init script, and now it all works. yay. :) |
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| 16:23.13 | Titan8990 | gh0st: are you root? have you installed the firmware for your card (if applicable)? |
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| 16:23.37 | abrotman | Ghost-r: how new is it? which installer did you use? |
| 16:24.31 | Ghost-r | abrotman, CD installation |
| 16:24.43 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian lenny, and i used to manually through some procedures make my 3G usb modem to be working and connecting to the internet, by grabbing the AT commands used to connect to my provider and creating ppp chatscript and configuration file , is there a way to make these procdedures automated in an installable deb package ? |
| 16:24.43 | Ghost-r | 1.5 year old |
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| 16:26.26 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: I have a friend who has been working on a python script to help automate that... you could do something similiar and package it |
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| 16:26.59 | MrShad0wX | Anybody knows how to install ekg2 on lenny? |
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| 16:27.02 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: good to hear you finally got it working |
| 16:27.29 | tisepti | how can i make a small change to a preexisting .deb package? |
| 16:27.42 | Titan8990 | judd: versions ekg2 |
| 16:27.44 | judd | ekg2 -- experimental: 20100221+1200-1 |
| 16:28.01 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, yea |
| 16:28.03 | Titan8990 | MrShad0wX: you could try to ssb from experimental, if you know what your doing |
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| 16:28.25 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, and what are the needs to create this script and package it ?? |
| 16:28.32 | MrShad0wX | I installed ekg2 |
| 16:28.34 | MrShad0wX | but on run |
| 16:28.45 | Titan8990 | MrShad0wX: installed how? |
| 16:28.46 | MrShad0wX | it gives me |
| 16:28.50 | MrShad0wX | no UI plugin |
| 16:28.50 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 16:28.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 16:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | tisepti: WHat do you want to change. |
| 16:29.27 | MrShad0wX | I downloaded from official site, unpacked and |
| 16:29.33 | roe | is there a way to tell why icedove-3.0 isn't in sid yet? |
| 16:29.36 | MrShad0wX | ./configure make, make install |
| 16:30.08 | Titan8990 | MrShad0wX: you will need to ask whoever maintains/supports ekg2 about it then |
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| 16:30.29 | Titan8990 | MrShad0wX: since its not really in debian yet, I doubt many if any people here would be able to help |
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| 16:30.45 | dbbolton | what happened to the "submit" button on pastebin.com? |
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| 16:31.01 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, suppose i created this script how to package ? |
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| 16:31.36 | gh0st | git for debian? |
| 16:31.38 | gh0st | package? |
| 16:31.39 | obcecado | oh noes, pastebin.com got all kinds of web2.0 faggotry |
| 16:31.48 | ninnypants | how do I find out what filewall my server is running? |
| 16:32.04 | gh0st | git-core/ |
| 16:32.05 | gh0st | ? |
| 16:32.06 | Titan8990 | !tell f00bar80 about nmg |
| 16:32.12 | dbbolton | obcecado: no kidding. i wouldn't care if it still worked. |
| 16:32.13 | authorized | does debian allow you to install libpcap 0.9.4 and libpcap 0.9.6 at the same time? |
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| 16:32.44 | dbbolton | it works in konqueror. the button just doesn't exist in iceweasel |
| 16:33.10 | authorized | i'm just comparing debian/deb with rpath/conary - apparently i can have 0.9.4 (the nmap I have depends on it) and 0.9.6 -- for the particular snort i've installed. But I'm wondering if you can do that in debian. |
| 16:33.11 | obcecado | it does here |
| 16:33.11 | Titan8990 | ninnypants: netfilter is the only firewall I know of in linux. everything with different names is just front-ends to netfilter AFAIK |
| 16:33.27 | obcecado | ff3.5.8 |
| 16:33.47 | authorized | wait, netfilter != iptables right? |
| 16:33.58 | Titan8990 | authorized: iptables is a front-end for netfilter |
| 16:34.24 | ninnypants | Titan8990: where would I find it? |
| 16:34.33 | tisepti | jhutchins_lt: need to add a configuration file to be installed; its missing from the default package |
| 16:34.38 | Titan8990 | ninnypants: netfilter? its built into the kernel |
| 16:34.52 | authorized | ah ok, userspace versus kernelspace |
| 16:34.57 | Titan8990 | authorized: yes |
| 16:35.07 | dbbolton | look http://omploader.org/vM3NrdQ/pastebin.jpg |
| 16:35.08 | Titan8990 | ninnypants: you might be looking for: iptables -L |
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| 16:35.36 | ninnypants | Titan8990: thx |
| 16:35.39 | jhutchins_lt | tisepti: In that case the best way to fix it is to report it as a bug and include the solution. It may take a while for it to be repackaged, but it should get fixed. |
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| 16:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | tisepti: Some packages omit the config file on purpose so updates won't overwrite it. |
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| 16:36.37 | XTeo | hi, i download this version : debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:36.55 | XTeo | and i need install with out grafic |
| 16:37.11 | tisepti | jhutchins_lt: its not an 'official' debian package - i think it was a checkinstall job offhand - not sure |
| 16:37.16 | XTeo | what option ?? |
| 16:37.17 | Titan8990 | XTeo: the default install option is not graphical |
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| 16:37.36 | Titan8990 | XTeo: you have to specifically select graphical install for the graphical installer |
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| 16:38.01 | tisepti | jhutchins_lt: im pretty much the 'maintainer' such as there is one now =/ |
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| 16:38.24 | XTeo | Titan8990: ahh ok, and then only follow default |
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| 16:39.04 | Titan8990 | XTeo: if you need something non-interactive, you can look into FAI |
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| 16:39.34 | XTeo | Titan8990 : FAI ? |
| 16:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | tisepti: Might take a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics |
| 16:39.49 | robbles | Hi folks. Why does 'apt-get dist-upgrade -s' report 2 packages (dash and diffutils), but 'aptitude full-upgrade -s' reports no packages |
| 16:39.52 | Titan8990 | !fai |
| 16:39.52 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:39.53 | robbles | ? |
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| 16:40.10 | XTeo | ok |
| 16:40.35 | XTeo | thanks |
| 16:41.09 | jair | when I connect to the cisco concentrator using the command: vpnc --natt-mode cisco-udp default.conf I get access to the new network the private network but then I can not access the regular network I was using or the internet at all =( I am using it on debian lenny x86 |
| 16:41.36 | jair | haveanyone of you run into similar issue I am almost sure that it is related to the route missing |
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| 16:41.48 | themill | robbles: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy diffutils dash; aptitude show diffutils dash"? /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:41.57 | robbles | sure, one sec |
| 16:42.03 | jair | when I connect the vpnc software is not adding the route to continue access the internet |
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| 16:42.31 | Titan8990 | jair: you could manually add the route using `route` or `ip route` |
| 16:42.37 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Rather it is replacing your default route. Change the configuration so it does not add a default route. |
| 16:43.23 | jhutchins_lt | jair: I can't tell you exactly how to do that as I've never gotten vpnc working properly, but it should be fairly straightforward. |
| 16:43.25 | robbles | themill: http://paste.debian.net/63527/ |
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| 16:44.48 | Titan8990 | nice... all releases, even experimental |
| 16:45.00 | themill | robbles: your sources.list is an utterly terrifying mess |
| 16:45.18 | robbles | oh dear |
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| 16:47.24 | robbles | Here are my apt.conf, preferences, and sources.list. can you tell me what's wrong? http://paste.debian.net/63530/ |
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| 16:48.02 | robbles | Sorry, this one: http://paste.debian.net/63531/ |
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| 16:51.14 | robbles | I believe I followed http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html when configuring apt |
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| 16:52.42 | themill | robbles: I'd start by working out if you really need all those repos. Chances are, you probably only really want lenny and lenny-backports and the rest of them (along with all that pinning except for lenny-backports) and just go away. "/msg dpkg which repo" to work out where your current packages come from. |
| 16:52.46 | _UsUrPeR_ | tips his hat |
| 16:53.05 | _UsUrPeR_ | can anybody instruct me on how to add a network driver to an installation CD? |
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| 16:53.32 | babilen | _UsUrPeR_: One that is not supported by the kernel? Or firmware? |
| 16:53.52 | _UsUrPeR_ | babilen: the prior, unsupported by kernel |
| 16:53.59 | Titan8990 | !kmuto |
| 16:53.59 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 16:54.07 | babilen | Titan8990: :-) |
| 16:54.19 | babilen | _UsUrPeR_: ^^^^ if supported in newer kernels |
| 16:54.25 | robbles | Alright themill, thanks. I do need testing and backports, but I'll try trimming all that pinning |
| 16:54.37 | tim_abell | how do you clear the cache of information collected by dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:54.44 | ruggy | is there a way to find out why my debian lenny installer actually asked me if I wanted to include my other OS's in the grub boot menu, to which I said yes, but then didn't? |
| 16:54.55 | babilen | robbles: Why don't you upgrade to squeeze then and forget about stable and all that pinning? |
| 16:55.00 | themill | robbles: mixing testing with stable almost always leads to tears. You probably don't want to do that either. |
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| 16:55.42 | babilen | robbles: Because, as themill rightfully pointed out, you'll most definately run into problems if you mix stable and testing/unstable |
| 16:55.45 | _UsUrPeR_ | Titan8990 / babilen: I'll be honest, I am running Ubuntu, but wading through the #ubuntu cesspool for support is a waste of my time. I was hoping there would be a congruent solution. :P |
| 16:56.13 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:56.34 | themill | _UsUrPeR_: considering the installer is rather different, no. Please stick to #ubuntu. There's often little we can do to help ubuntu users and this is an even worse case than normal |
| 16:56.48 | _UsUrPeR_ | yeah, yeah I know :) |
| 16:56.49 | babilen | _UsUrPeR_: *sigh* no there isn't :) Install Debian using the kmuto installers or use an Ubuntu release with a recent kernel and ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:57.14 | babilen | _UsUrPeR_: Ah, what the hell. Just install Debian and be happy :) |
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| 16:57.21 | _UsUrPeR_ | hangs his head |
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| 16:57.38 | _UsUrPeR_ | This is using a preseed installation for LTSP |
| 16:57.52 | _UsUrPeR_ | is making a custom installation process |
| 16:58.00 | robbles | babilen: I only have 1 package that needs to be from testing: bonnie++. as far as I can remember, it didn't install any dependencies |
| 16:58.07 | Titan8990 | _UsUrPeR_: LTSP also has their own channel.... and they support debian |
| 16:58.12 | _UsUrPeR_ | oh I know that too :) |
| 16:58.22 | _UsUrPeR_ | thanks for the info guys |
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| 16:58.24 | Titan8990 | !tell robbles about ssb |
| 16:58.32 | babilen | _UsUrPeR_: We can't and won't help you with Ubuntu - go to #ubuntu. I would try Debian if I were you though. Have a nice day |
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| 16:58.40 | Titan8990 | robbles: ssb is highly recommended over installing binaries from another release |
| 16:58.45 | robbles | themill: I've never installed anything from testing/unstable that tried to install a non-Stable dependency |
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| 16:59.47 | babilen | robbles: Just backport the package yourself in that case. Read what dpkg just told you. And come here earlier ;) |
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| 17:00.23 | themill | robbles: that's quite unusual and you can often get away with things at that stage. Until you hit strangeness such as the things you've found now. |
| 17:00.38 | robbles | I've been reading about that method, but I wasn't clear on how it was different from a normal package install using apt-pinning |
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| 17:01.22 | rooisto47 | hi everybody, |
| 17:01.28 | Titan8990 | robbles: in that particular case it might not have mattered, but in many it prevents testing depends from being pulled, and it also recompiles the package using build-deps found in lenny |
| 17:01.29 | robbles | doesn't build-dep have the same potential to install non-Stable dependencies as apt-get/aptitude? |
| 17:01.47 | Titan8990 | robbles: not if the binary sources are not in your sources.list |
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| 17:01.55 | mkultra | hi |
| 17:01.57 | rooisto47 | what is the best networking book for absolute beginners you can advice me ? |
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| 17:02.06 | mkultra | is there a way to get lenny support more than 15 partitions? |
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| 17:02.22 | Titan8990 | robbles: tcp/ip illustrated volume 1. in the future, ##networking |
| 17:02.25 | robbles | Titan8990: so you recommend I remove the deb entries for testing/unstable, and keep the deb-src entries ? |
| 17:02.37 | babilen | robbles: yes |
| 17:02.38 | Titan8990 | robbles: yes |
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| 17:02.44 | robbles | superb, thanks guys |
| 17:02.49 | robbles | I will try that out |
| 17:02.57 | Titan8990 | robbles: anytime |
| 17:03.04 | Titan8990 | !next |
| 17:03.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:03.05 | babilen | robbles: Purge bonnie and reinstall your own backport |
| 17:03.11 | mkultra | is there a way to get lenny support more than 15 partitions? |
| 17:03.12 | robbles | babilen: will do |
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| 17:03.26 | mkultra | there's no device node for sdc16 :/ |
| 17:03.48 | Titan8990 | mkultra: AFAIK I know that is the limitation of scsi, and the everything is emulated as scsi these days... I would find it unlikely without using LVM |
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| 17:04.03 | mkultra | Titan8990, gentoo has no problems with it ... |
| 17:04.17 | Titan8990 | mkultra: you probably didn't compile your kernel using the new libata |
| 17:04.31 | mkultra | yeah I used the stock kernel |
| 17:04.42 | Titan8990 | there is no stock kernel in gentoo.... |
| 17:04.49 | Titan8990 | stock sources |
| 17:04.52 | mkultra | oh I thought you meant gentoo |
| 17:05.03 | mkultra | so the NEW libata supports LESS partitions? |
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| 17:05.35 | Titan8990 | mkultra: there was a recent discussion about this on the debian-users mailing list, let me see if i can find it |
| 17:05.53 | mkultra | thanks |
| 17:06.20 | robbles | !volatile |
| 17:06.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 17:06.46 | robbles | I seen, volatile is just as dangerous as testing and unstable |
| 17:06.48 | robbles | *see |
| 17:06.54 | babilen | no it's not |
| 17:07.13 | babilen | It's for packages like anti virus software that *needs* frequent updates |
| 17:07.23 | robbles | OK |
| 17:08.38 | Titan8990 | mkultra: they were actually saying that the limitation had something to do with "MSDOS" style partition tables |
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| 17:09.24 | mkultra | Titan8990, what do you mean? In a msdos style partition table you can have an infinite amount of logical partitions |
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| 17:09.41 | mkultra | it has to be either an issue with kernel or udev |
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| 17:09.46 | Titan8990 | mkultra: then this guy on the mailing list is wrong |
| 17:10.01 | mkultra | Titan8990, probably :P |
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| 17:10.55 | tim_abell | found answer to own question. add db_purge to postrm :) |
| 17:10.58 | mkultra | I'm guessing it's a kernel issue. during the install I created a new device node with a minor number 1 higher than sdc15 ... and mkswap actually wrote to sdd |
| 17:11.23 | babilen | mkultra: Do you really need that many partitions? why don't you use LVM? |
| 17:11.26 | mkultra | almost lost a 1.5TB partition there :P |
| 17:11.27 | Titan8990 | mkultra: thats not good... curious, why not LVM? |
| 17:11.46 | mkultra | I want to install a bunch of different OSs/distros |
| 17:11.58 | Titan8990 | not all of them support LVM? |
| 17:12.01 | mkultra | gentoo, debian, arch, freebsd, openbsd, netbsd |
| 17:12.06 | mkultra | Titan8990, actuall I don't know |
| 17:12.23 | Titan8990 | the *bsds might not |
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| 17:12.53 | mkultra | it's just that debian is the first os that doesn't support more than 15 partitions. as I said, gentoo works fine |
| 17:13.23 | hallo99 | I'm trying to install lenny via netinstall. It trys to download "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-amd64/Packages". It get's an 404. I tried other mirrors, but always 404. A Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz exist, but no Packages. How do tell the installer to dowload this instead, otherwise I can't install grub. |
| 17:13.29 | mkultra | gentoo uses 2.6.31 and lenny 2.6.26 btw |
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| 17:14.05 | Titan8990 | mkultra: you could compile a kernel in debian the "gentoo" way for testing. If it works, you can follow debian instructions for building a kernel package |
| 17:14.23 | Titan8990 | mkultra: if you think that its a version issue, just install .32 from backports |
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| 17:14.47 | mkultra | Titan8990, is there a xen version of that? cause I'm using lenny as a dom0 for xen 3.2.4 |
| 17:15.02 | kzar | I need to get the flgrx drivers working in Debian Squeeze, I read the only way is to downgrade the x-server to Lenny. Is that really the best way? If so how do I downgrade my x-server? |
| 17:15.39 | Titan8990 | mkultra: doesn't look like it |
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| 17:15.56 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 17:15.56 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:16.35 | Titan8990 | mkultra: your a gentoo user though, should know your way around a kernel config and patch(1) :) |
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| 17:16.52 | mkultra | yeah, actually I do :P |
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| 17:17.16 | mkultra | no, I'll just repartition ... I only have to delete 1 partition |
| 17:17.16 | rooisto47 | how can I set my pc to connect (dhcp) at boot time, before login in (in the 3rd run level if I'm right) ? |
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| 17:17.39 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: /etc/network/interface; man interfaces |
| 17:17.53 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: sorry, thats interfaces with an "s" |
| 17:18.25 | Titan8990 | or if you like me, its really in[tab] |
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| 17:20.47 | robbles | Titan8990: / babilen: just a bit confused... how do I specify that I want to build-dep for the bonnie++ in testing? "apt-get build-dep bonnie++/testing" doesn't work |
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| 17:21.45 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, ok I'm reading |
| 17:21.52 | rooisto47 | the MAN ^^ |
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| 17:22.42 | stuckey | How do I swap window managers on my current session? |
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| 17:23.42 | simonrvn | stuckey: many wms now support --replace |
| 17:24.20 | Titan8990 | robbles: apt-get -t testing build-dep bonnie++ |
| 17:24.22 | stuckey | simonrvn: so metacity --replace |
| 17:24.41 | stuckey | simonrvn: how do I change it so that compiz doesn't come back when I restart? |
| 17:24.59 | simonrvn | you have autosave set for your session? |
| 17:25.01 | Titan8990 | stuckey: depends on how you setup compiz to start in the first place |
| 17:25.09 | simonrvn | or you could do it manually |
| 17:25.14 | robbles | ah yes, thanks Titan8990 |
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| 17:25.37 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: also, there are good examples in the debian reference guide |
| 17:25.53 | rooisto47 | ok |
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| 17:26.32 | stuckey | I need to get rid of compiz and my propritary nvidia driver so that I can test a scanner. |
| 17:26.43 | stuckey | I don't remember how I installed compiz originally... |
| 17:27.34 | Titan8990 | stuckey: update-alterntives maybe? |
| 17:27.57 | stuckey | perhaps... I remember typing out "window-manager" |
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| 17:29.01 | pallgone | is the 2.6.33 kernel going to be included in squeeze? it has resolved my intel video issues... |
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| 17:29.27 | dutchfish | pallgone: probably not, ie 2.6.32 is considered |
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| 17:29.52 | pallgone | dutchfish: too bad then... |
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| 17:30.20 | dutchfish | pallgone: but nothing holds you to coble your own in squeeze like i did |
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| 17:35.31 | DGnome | Hi! Do I need to compile my own kernel to update alsa-driver? |
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| 17:37.51 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, ok I read the man but as I'm newbie ! |
| 17:38.01 | rooisto47 | here is my simple problem |
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| 17:38.19 | stuckey_ | I just closed the window with "metacity --replace" and now my xsessions is hosed. |
| 17:38.36 | Titan8990 | stuckey: metacity --replace & disown |
| 17:38.39 | rooisto47 | I'm in a local network so to connect I type dhclient when I'm login |
| 17:39.01 | stuckey_ | Titan8990: can't type that in the same session anymore. |
| 17:39.04 | stuckey_ | I'm on tty2 |
| 17:39.13 | Armageddon | how can I fix my GPG keys for squeeze/sid ? |
| 17:39.18 | hallo99 | I'm trying to install lenny via netinstall. In the step named configure apt, it trys to download "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-amd64/Packages". It get's an 404. I tried other mirrors, but always 404. A Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz exist, but no Packages. How do tell the installer to dowload this instead. |
| 17:39.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.23 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.28 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, what have I to add to /etc/network/interface that it connect (using dhcp) at boot time? |
| 17:39.57 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: allow-hotplug ethx | iface ethx inet dhcp |
| 17:40.03 | wols_ | Armageddon: /msg dpkg public keys and there is a "keyring" package |
| 17:40.13 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: where x is is the number of your device, and the | is a newline |
| 17:40.25 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, in two diffrent lines |
| 17:40.30 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: yes |
| 17:40.31 | rooisto47 | ok :) |
| 17:40.33 | rooisto47 | thx |
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| 17:40.35 | wols_ | hallo99: I'd skip the apt step and do it all later after installation |
| 17:40.47 | wols_ | making sure the network works as intended |
| 17:41.01 | Armageddon | wols_, no public keys |
| 17:41.12 | hallo99 | but I can't boot without grub. And I can't install grub without the apt stuff. |
| 17:41.14 | wols_ | rooisto47: it ethX never is down/changes, use auto ethX instead |
| 17:41.22 | robbles | Titan8990: build-dep method worked for bonnie++. Can you tell me how to interpret the resultant apt-cache policy? http://paste.debian.net/63552/plain/63552 |
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| 17:41.36 | robbles | Titan8990: i'm wondering what the "***" means |
| 17:42.31 | wols_ | Armageddon: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=keyring&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 17:42.31 | robbles | it's not flagged as 'hold', but I wonder why apt-get doesn't try to downgrade it to the Stable version |
| 17:42.37 | Armageddon | I'll take a look at it wols_, thanks |
| 17:42.52 | wols_ | robbles: apt never downgrades |
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| 17:43.31 | Titan8990 | robbles: I am not really sure about the maeaning of "***" |
| 17:43.46 | wols_ | doesn't that just mean "this is/will be chosen"? |
| 17:43.47 | Titan8990 | robbles: what wols_ said is correct though |
| 17:43.55 | rooisto47 | I'll reboot to try |
| 17:44.00 | robbles | docs are quite thing regarding apt-cache policy |
| 17:44.03 | Armageddon | wols_, so I need to install that using apt-get ? |
| 17:44.10 | wols_ | Armageddon: yes |
| 17:44.15 | wols_ | not all of them... |
| 17:44.18 | babilen | Doesn't aptitude upgrade packages if they are pinned to a priority >= 1001 ? |
| 17:44.18 | Armageddon | hmm, didn't know that :/ |
| 17:44.18 | robbles | Okay, I won't worry about it then. Going to try build-dep method with nginx next :) |
| 17:44.26 | Armageddon | which ones ? wols_ |
| 17:44.48 | wols_ | Armageddon: debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:45.02 | wols_ | and of course the keys for every other repo you use too |
| 17:45.02 | robbles | babilen: I installed bonnie++ testing with the build-dep method, and got this policy http://paste.debian.net/63552/plain/63552 |
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| 17:46.11 | Armageddon | wols_, says I have the latest |
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| 17:46.40 | robbles | babilen: but no one seems to know why it won't downgrade (only that it won't :) |
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| 17:46.59 | robbles | apt-cache policy docs are a bit sparse |
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| 17:47.13 | babilen | robbles: AFAIK packages are only downgraded if you pin them to a priority >= 1001 |
| 17:47.27 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, wols_, thank you very much it's working !!! :D |
| 17:47.37 | themill | robbles: your backported package isn't in a repo anywhere. you probably want to use dpkg -i foo.deb to install it |
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| 17:48.19 | robbles | themill: already did |
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| 17:48.53 | babilen | robbles: Isn't the 1.96 the one you backported? |
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| 17:49.11 | cusco | hi |
| 17:49.18 | robbles | yeap |
| 17:49.19 | cusco | how do I rip a cd in my cd drive into a iso? |
| 17:49.28 | stuckey | With dd |
| 17:50.13 | cusco | thanks |
| 17:50.15 | robbles | you're right about the pin priority > 1000, according to the man page |
| 17:50.28 | Titan8990 | cusco: dd if=/dev/cdromX of=foobar.iso bs=4096 |
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| 17:51.45 | cusco | oops |
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| 17:51.54 | cusco | I did not specify the bs=4096 |
| 17:52.10 | cusco | Titan8990: should I stop it or will it make any difference? |
| 17:52.15 | rvsjoen | it will still work, though probably a bit slower |
| 17:52.23 | cusco | oh.. ok |
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| 17:52.51 | babilen | (the data does not change) |
| 17:53.03 | wols_ | Armageddon: what version is your keyring? mine is 01/31/2009 |
| 17:53.18 | babilen | wrong question :) |
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| 17:57.17 | robbles | babilen / Titan8990: have a dilemma now that I don't have a deb entry for sid: "apt-cache showsrc <package>" doesn't show archive type (Testing/Stable/etc), so it's hard to figure out the right -t parameter for "apt-get build-dep" and "apt-get -b source". Any suggestions? |
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| 17:57.57 | tt_hck | hello to all |
| 17:58.24 | Titan8990 | robbles: packages.debian.org or our judd bot there... I use judd myself |
| 17:58.29 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libc6 |
| 17:58.31 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 17:59.29 | babilen | robbles: You can /query judd and is that or just include a deb-src line for sid in your sources.list |
| 17:59.39 | tt_hck | i have some troubles with one server ... it (random behavior) freeze with huge load ... is there some sophisticated tool to analyse what is happening? something what log process states under concrete load ... thank you |
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| 18:00.43 | robbles | babilen: I do have a deb-src line for sid, but "apt-cache -v showsrc bonnie++" doesn't seem to show the archive type |
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| 18:01.40 | robbles | (by archive type i mean stable/unstable/testing/etc) |
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| 18:02.22 | stuckey | Titan8990: Do you know what the command is to change it? |
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| 18:03.16 | babilen | robbles: It's the same version in squeeze and sid - You can also use rmadison (from devscripts) to check versions |
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| 18:05.15 | themill | robbles: "apt-get source" requires that you use the version not a release in order to grab a specific version of the source |
| 18:05.20 | hallo99 | I managed to manualy install grub how do I trigger the creation of the menu displayed in grub? |
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| 18:06.01 | stuckey | But that won't work if you're using gdm? |
| 18:06.18 | robbles | themill: "apt-get -b -t testing source bonnie++" got the right version for me |
| 18:06.57 | themill | robbles: only by luck because it has the same version in both sid and squeeze |
| 18:07.11 | o2 | I did a major rework of the Backports page in the official Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/Backports). Have a look. Discuss. Thank you. |
| 18:09.09 | robbles | themill: whoa, that's confusing. So there's no way to tell "apt-get -b source" that I want source from stable/testing/unstable/whatever? |
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| 18:10.02 | o2 | i am not shure, but couldn't you just do: apt-get -b source/release |
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| 18:10.31 | simonrvn | sure |
| 18:10.35 | robbles | o2: the /release syntax didn't work for me, but "-t testing" did |
| 18:10.42 | themill | robbles: long standing wishlist bug in apt that was finally fixed just recently if I remember. Specify the version and package=version |
| 18:10.48 | babilen__ | o2: I would also include a link to the instructions on the bpo site |
| 18:10.53 | o2 | ok, i think these are also 2 different things |
| 18:11.08 | o2 | bablien: ok |
| 18:11.33 | babilen | o2: got my first msg? |
| 18:11.42 | stuckey | judd: versions epokwa |
| 18:11.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'epokwa' was found. |
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| 18:11.51 | o2 | bablien: the instructions link? |
| 18:12.03 | babilen | o2: Looks good - apart from the french screenshot and that you won't be able to install debian-backports-keyring if you haven't added the repository |
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| 18:12.16 | babilen | babilen: ^^^ that one |
| 18:12.23 | o2 | no |
| 18:12.26 | babilen | o2: But this is getting ot in here :) |
| 18:12.35 | o2 | ok |
| 18:12.45 | o2 | ? |
| 18:13.46 | robbles | ah this helps me out... "apt-show-versions -p bonnie++ -a -v" |
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| 18:14.56 | stuckey | I would like to test the epokwa backend for a scanner. Are there .deb packages available? |
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| 18:17.03 | babilen | stuckey: There are no epkowa packages from Debian AFACT |
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| 18:18.08 | stuckey | babilen: AFACT? |
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| 18:18.32 | simonrvn | AFAICT i think |
| 18:18.35 | babilen | stuckey: as far as can tell ;) (should have been AFAICT) |
| 18:18.37 | Titan8990 | as far as he can tell |
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| 18:19.19 | stuckey | Ah okay |
| 18:19.35 | stuckey | maybe someone has made them somewhere though, or someone here would be nice enough to explain to me how I could make a quick deb from source, for local use. |
| 18:20.05 | babilen | stuckey: have a look at: /usr/share/doc/libsane-extras/README.Debian there might be information in there regarding epkowa |
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| 18:21.43 | babilen | stuckey: I can't check right now, but there was a bug about that |
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| 18:22.07 | stuckey | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=475549 <-- found this |
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| 18:23.11 | Jippi_mac | Hello. I got a question about ssh. Is it possible to provide some default params (login default login) when i just type "ssh <some host name>" ? |
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| 18:24.44 | feisar | has anyone noticed how much i/o quassel uses? I cant even here the activity xchat creates |
| 18:24.55 | feisar | s/here/hear |
| 18:24.56 | Titan8990 | Jippi_mac: would ~/.bashrc work? |
| 18:25.10 | lsd | Jippi_mac, sure, /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 18:25.19 | Jippi_mac | Titan8990: http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=110267748024284&w=2 was the stuff I was looking for |
| 18:25.31 | lsd | Host <somehost> |
| 18:25.36 | lsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.38 | lsd | etc |
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| 18:26.09 | wonderworld | hi, i run debian lenny and want to move to kernel 2.6.33 because i need a feature only supported from 2.6.27 on. i read into compiling the kernel and thing i will manage it but i am puzzled on how to get and compile the needed modules. will they be compiled with the kernel as well or do i have to download them and compiled them one-by-one? |
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| 18:26.37 | karlpinc | lsd : alias and ~/.bashrc is easiest. |
| 18:26.39 | Titan8990 | wonderworld: install .32 from backports |
| 18:26.52 | Titan8990 | karlpinc: I think for that, he would want a function instead of an alias |
| 18:26.52 | lsd | not for stuff like non-standard ports |
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| 18:27.18 | lsd | and not if you mix shells |
| 18:27.18 | Titan8990 | !teell wonderworld about bpo |
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| 18:27.38 | karlpinc | lsd: But mighty global. |
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| 18:27.46 | babilen | !tell wonderworld -about bpo |
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| 18:27.58 | lsd | exactly, s |
| 18:27.59 | lsd | :P |
| 18:28.03 | Titan8990 | babilen: thanks, didn't even notice my typo |
| 18:28.10 | babilen | np |
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| 18:29.25 | wonderworld | Titan8990: thanks |
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| 18:30.35 | tilen | hi all i have flash problem movie freeze when use flash its is white windows dmesg gimme this[444629.152213] npviewer.bin[9891]: segfault at ff999ea8 ip 00000000ff999ea8 sp 00000000ffdab43c error 14 |
| 18:30.55 | Titan8990 | tilen: how did you install flash? |
| 18:31.03 | tilen | apt |
| 18:31.10 | Titan8990 | from which repository? |
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| 18:31.36 | Titan8990 | apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:34.38 | Titan8990 | tilen: type the command in above, and pastebin the output |
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| 18:35.23 | tilen | yeah but i paste on wrong channel i use ubuntu :) |
| 18:35.39 | arcsky | doesnt links or lynx works with ipv6? |
| 18:35.46 | arcsky | cant reach ipv6.google.com |
| 18:35.57 | tilen | u must compile with ipv6 |
| 18:36.18 | karpaash | Titan8990: contrib |
| 18:36.40 | Riviera | arcsky: both do (that is, lynx and elinks, no idea about links and links2) |
| 18:36.51 | Titan8990 | karpaash: huh? were you having an issue of some kind? |
| 18:36.52 | r3c4ll | Somebody with libvirt experience? |
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| 18:37.53 | tilen | arcsky remove lynx with apt get and install lynx from source with --enable-ipv6 it will work 100% :) |
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| 18:38.35 | arcsky | oke |
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| 18:39.14 | Titan8990 | arcsky: you should rebuild the deb package if you need to recompile with different options |
| 18:39.27 | Titan8990 | arcsky: you should not just plain install from source |
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| 18:39.50 | Titan8990 | !tell arcsky about package recompile |
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| 18:41.02 | karpaash | Titan8990: no, no. just mishandling this graphical client i'm trying, sorry :) |
| 18:41.19 | Titan8990 | karpaash: ah, np. was just kind of random |
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| 18:41.47 | Bluubier | http://kathrin.myphotos.cc/index.php?uid=5p2rll |
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| 18:42.44 | Titan8990 | themill: hehe, i was over here wanding why I couldn't tab-complete his name for the !ops |
| 18:42.57 | Titan8990 | wondering |
| 18:43.30 | r3c4ll | Somebody with libvirt experience? |
| 18:43.36 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 18:43.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:46.10 | Titan8990 | r3c4ll: are you going to ask your question or what? |
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| 18:48.19 | robbles | If there exists a package with the same exact version numbers in both unstable and testing, are those two packages the same (for the purposes of building from source)? |
| 18:48.24 | r3c4ll | Titan8990, sorry i don't speak very good english, and in the spanish channels nobody answer... i'm trying to install a VM using qemu+libvirt but i need to put it avaliable on the net |
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| 18:48.53 | Titan8990 | robbles: I would guess, yes |
| 18:49.17 | Titan8990 | r3c4ll: you mean you need to expose the VM to the internet? |
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| 18:49.51 | robbles | cool |
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| 18:50.45 | r3c4ll | Titan8990, on my network* i need make it using the only eth interface of the machine in bridge mode... but i can't do this... i follow the http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#Bridged_networking_.28aka_.22shared_physical_device.22.29 tutorial |
| 18:51.08 | r3c4ll | Titan8990, but the host lose the network when i do this |
| 18:51.14 | r3c4ll | or that :P |
| 18:51.48 | Titan8990 | r3c4ll: the host will then use br0 for its connection |
| 18:52.31 | Titan8990 | r3c4ll: does br0 have an appropriate IP? |
| 18:52.58 | r3c4ll | Titan8990, yes it is that i want... that the host and the guest use the same interface (br0) to get network connection but something go wrong |
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| 18:53.21 | r3c4ll | Titan8990, yes... is in the same range of the rest of my net |
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| 18:54.11 | Titan8990 | r3c4ll: i always undertood it as qemu would create a new virtual interface that uses the bridge interface |
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| 18:54.44 | leejongwook | [Q] how do i add a new browser to "update-alternative --list x-www-browser" ? |
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| 18:57.20 | wols_ | leejongwook: with update-alternatives |
| 18:57.24 | Titan8990 | leejongwook: add it to /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ maybe |
| 18:57.53 | Titan8990 | wols_: I think he meant add a new available alternative... i.e. one that does not already appear when running update-alternatives |
| 18:58.23 | leejongwook | yes :) |
| 18:58.26 | wols_ | Titan8990: I'd add a new one at which point it should exist in the list of alternatives, no? |
| 18:58.30 | leejongwook | new browser :P |
| 18:59.03 | leejongwook | update-alternative --list x-www-browser <--- |
| 18:59.10 | Titan8990 | wols_: no if you did something like install upstream firefox to /otp |
| 18:59.15 | Titan8990 | wols_: /opt |
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| 19:01.41 | Titan8990 | leejongwook: you could edit the /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser file... but its not really meant to be edited by hand |
| 19:02.02 | Titan8990 | leejongwook: usually your window manager will be able to set a default browser outside of the alternatives system |
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| 19:02.31 | wols_ | has any of you simply ran "update-alternatives" yet and read what's written there? especially the first command listed? |
| 19:02.46 | leejongwook | Titan8990, I use wmii :) |
| 19:03.23 | leejongwook | Titan8990, thanks :) that was the one |
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| 19:05.56 | leejongwook | leejongwook( 4:01:03)$ sudo update-alternatives --install x-www-browser /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser /usr/local/firefox/firefox 20 |
| 19:05.57 | leejongwook | update-alternatives: unable to open /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives//etc/alternatives/x-www-browser.dpkg-new for write: No such file or directory |
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| 19:06.33 | Titan8990 | leejongwook: according to the manpage, that for a new alternative set, not a new alternative to an existing set |
| 19:06.38 | Titan8990 | alteast how i interpretted it |
| 19:06.49 | leejongwook | i see @_@ |
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| 19:08.54 | nmvictor | i have a mac iBook which some dude messed with by deleting some driver files, is their a chance I could install debian in it |
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| 19:09.27 | wols_ | yes, you can, but why not restore the original OS? |
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| 19:12.08 | nmvictor | ok, i though that would require some mac os x rescue cd which i dont have,is their another way? |
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| 19:12.22 | nmvictor | wols_: ok, i though that would require some mac os x rescue cd which i dont have,is their another way? |
| 19:12.38 | babilen | I'm not aware of one. But you can install Debian if you would like to try it. :) |
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| 19:13.43 | babilen | nmvictor: You might want to check in #apple - they might know a way to fix your problems |
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| 19:15.13 | nmvictor | babilen: thanks but is it gonna require me to boot into mac first(Im afraid its dead with a kernel panic) or will the debian cd autoload,coz i dint see any "press F12 or f9 for boot menu" |
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| 19:15.47 | greycat | There has to be some way to boot the machine without an OS installed on fixed storage. |
| 19:16.06 | AimHere | You mean boot off the removable storage? |
| 19:16.13 | DjMadness|Server | Hi, i have downloaded the CD1 ISO from the debian website, i am however unable to get it to boot from a USB stick... i did a dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda (my usb stick) copy is successfull but it is unable to boot. could someone point me in the right direction ? |
| 19:16.44 | Titan8990 | !tell DjMadness|Server about usb install |
| 19:16.47 | babilen | nmvictor: It's been a while since i've installed an apple machine. But it should be detailed in the ppc installation guide. And you can also ask in #debian-ppc |
| 19:17.04 | mkultra | !usb install |
| 19:17.04 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:17.22 | babilen | DjMadness|Server: Follow "The Easy Way" and copy the iso *file* to th stick |
| 19:17.29 | mkultra | why not just burn to a dvd-ram/rw |
| 19:17.35 | mkultra | or use net install |
| 19:17.47 | Titan8990 | mkultra: not all devices have optical drives |
| 19:17.52 | greycat | net install still requires an initial boot of some kind |
| 19:17.52 | AimHere | What good would copying the iso file to the stick do, unless you wanted to copy the iso elsewhere? |
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| 19:18.14 | Titan8990 | AimHere: read the guide? |
| 19:18.18 | Apsu | nmvictor: if you want to boot from a CD press C button during bootup |
| 19:18.27 | babilen | nmvictor: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en |
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| 19:18.41 | babilen | basically what Apsu said :) |
| 19:18.42 | mkultra | Apsu, really? the C button? |
| 19:19.05 | mkultra | it's f12 on my laptop and f11 on my desktop |
| 19:19.16 | AimHere | You mean by cat foo.iso > /dev/whatever? |
| 19:19.29 | babilen | AimHere: It is mounted as the CD |
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| 19:19.58 | babilen | AimHere: No i mean cp foo.iso /dev/bar/ |
| 19:20.04 | babilen | AimHere: Read the usb install guide |
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| 19:20.17 | x3cu710n3r | ive just installed tightvncserver |
| 19:20.22 | Apsu | mkultra, hmm... At least Apple installation CDs boot with C key, or alternatively with Alt key that gives boot media selection menu. |
| 19:20.30 | babilen | nmvictor: Is English you native language? |
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| 19:20.36 | DjMadness|Server | babilen: thanks :) ill be doing that |
| 19:20.37 | x3cu710n3r | now its giving me password error when i try to run it :/ |
| 19:20.57 | testi | since both linu and internal-sftp (openssh) are incapable to deny symlink creating at the level they work for a certain mount point or user, how can i setup an sftp-server so that the user logging in to the sftpserver only sees files related to his context and no redundant configuration on the serverside is to be done anywhere. Whereas redundant means: no copies or links to programs that are already on the system. No programs in one place that pr |
| 19:20.57 | testi | ovide the same function as other programs in another place. |
| 19:20.58 | mkultra | Apsu, right, because everyone is using apple PCs. oh wait, make that 1% of the population. |
| 19:20.59 | babilen | DjMadness|Server: come back if you run into problems - but if you follow the instructions it should work out ;) |
| 19:21.05 | x3cu710n3r | trying to google it but im prob to stupid to make it work |
| 19:21.08 | testi | *s/linu/linux/ |
| 19:21.09 | Titan8990 | x3cu710n3r: did you look at the readme in /usr/share/doc/tightvnc*/*? |
| 19:21.15 | nmvictor | babilen: no Kiswahili but i understand english quit well |
| 19:21.20 | AimHere | babilen, nowhere does the install guide I'm reading (http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03) instruct you to use 'cp' |
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| 19:21.39 | x3cu710n3r | sorry... im just starting to use linux... :( ill check it now |
| 19:21.40 | x3cu710n3r | thanks |
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| 19:22.08 | babilen | nmvictor: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual lists a couple of translations (no kiswahili unfortunately) |
| 19:22.43 | Titan8990 | AimHere: After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. |
| 19:22.56 | Titan8990 | AimHere: I suppose it assume people know that `cp` is used for a copy |
| 19:23.03 | nmvictor | babilen: Apsu Since this is someones mac, is their a way to know if its power pc or intel, all i see in the kernel panic is no drivers for power 4 machine and also the fact that its a iBook |
| 19:23.08 | Titan8990 | AimHere: or they could even drag-and-drop |
| 19:23.10 | babilen | AimHere: *and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it* |
| 19:23.10 | AimHere | Titan8990, that sounds better than what babilen just suggested |
| 19:23.17 | nmvictor | babilen: thanks for the link |
| 19:23.22 | Titan8990 | AimHere: thats from the install guide |
| 19:23.29 | AimHere | Titan8990, which is to apply 'cp' to something in /dev/ |
| 19:23.53 | Titan8990 | AimHere: your right, /dev/ is not correct |
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| 19:24.08 | babilen | AimHere: You can use any way you want as long as the image *file* end up on the stick :) |
| 19:24.28 | AimHere | babilen, using cp on a device file won't get the image file on the stick |
| 19:24.41 | babilen | AimHere: I would say that the stick is mounted to something like /media/fooBar and you can use cp or nautilus or whatever to copy the file there |
| 19:24.55 | Apsu | nmvictor: I think all iBooks are PPC. |
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| 19:25.24 | greycat | If it says "mount ... and then copy" then it's pretty clear you are intended to have a file system on it, and copy the image into the file system as a file. |
| 19:25.30 | AimHere | Yeah, but copy the *contents* of the .iso file there. Copying the iso file there just gets you a copy of the iso file |
| 19:25.34 | greycat | If they hadn't said "mount" then it would be ambiguous. |
| 19:25.43 | greycat | AimHere: and? |
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| 19:25.57 | greycat | Did they say "extract the contents of the ISO image"? |
| 19:26.07 | babilen | nmvictor: Which iBook do you have? |
| 19:26.08 | AimHere | babilen said 'copy the file there' |
| 19:26.15 | greycat | Yes. And? Is that wrong? |
| 19:26.39 | AimHere | If you're copying a disk image to a mounted filesystem, that would be 'copy the files there', surely. |
| 19:26.47 | babilen | AimHere: The root of the stick |
| 19:27.18 | babilen | AimHere: No - you copy the netinstall.iso there ... the *file* not its content |
| 19:27.31 | robbles | hmm.. I think I need assistance. I used to have libpcre3 apt-pinned to Testing, I removed that apt-pin, but I can't figure out how to downgrade it to Stable. http://paste.debian.net/63572/plain/63572 |
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| 19:27.49 | Titan8990 | robbles: you must remove the package and then install it again |
| 19:27.50 | AimHere | You 'cp' the .iso file to /media/foobar ? |
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| 19:27.59 | babilen | AimHere: for example |
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| 19:28.06 | Titan8990 | robbles: apt can not directly "downgrade" |
| 19:28.14 | babilen | AimHere: Or use a filemanager to perform that task (e.g. nautilus) |
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| 19:28.36 | AimHere | Yeah, either way, that just ends you with a .iso file sitting on an otherwise empty filesystem on your device, doesn't it? |
| 19:28.40 | robbles | Titan8990: Ok, will try that |
| 19:28.58 | nmvictor | babilen: iBook G3 |
| 19:29.09 | babilen | AimHere: no - if you've followed the guide you would have used 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX |
| 19:29.14 | babilen | nmvictor: That is ppc |
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| 19:29.51 | greycat | It appears to be *adding* the ISO file to an already-populated file system. |
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| 19:30.00 | robbles | Titan8990: "libglib2.0-0: Depends: libpcre3 (>= 7.4) but it is not installable". |
| 19:30.03 | babilen | AimHere: That creates a minimal bootable installer image on the stick that mounts the image and treats it as a CD |
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| 19:30.04 | greycat | Presumably some other files in that file system are responsible for reading it. |
| 19:30.16 | babilen | yeah |
| 19:30.16 | AimHere | Ah now that sounds plausible |
| 19:30.19 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 19:30.20 | judd | libglib2.0-0 -- etch: 2.12.4-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.12.4-2+etch1; lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.22.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.22.4-1; squeeze: 2.22.4-1; experimental: 2.23.4-1 |
| 19:30.41 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libpcre3 |
| 19:30.42 | nmvictor | babilen: thanks, you just pointed me to lenny installation guide, is lenny the lated debian release, |
| 19:30.42 | judd | libpcre3 -- etch: 6.7+7.4-4; etch-security: 6.7+7.4-4; lenny: 7.6-2.1; sid: 7.8-3; squeeze: 7.8-3 |
| 19:30.51 | babilen | nmvictor: Yes |
| 19:31.06 | Titan8990 | robbles: aptitude install libpcre3; what does that show? |
| 19:31.06 | babilen | nmvictor: The upcoming "squeeze" release has not yet been released |
| 19:31.07 | mkultra | if (money > iq) buy(apple); |
| 19:31.16 | babilen | !tell nmvictor -about lenny |
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| 19:31.54 | robbles | Titan8990: http://paste.debian.net/63573/plain/63573 |
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| 19:32.15 | Dakree | hey i need a simple help with knoppix, plz anybody |
| 19:32.41 | babilen | Dakree: try #knoppix |
| 19:32.54 | Titan8990 | robbles: it looks like you have not successfuly removed the sid versions yet. aptitude purge libpcre3; aptitude -t lenny install libpcre3 |
| 19:33.27 | Titan8990 | robbles: that may also remove some things that depend on libpcre3, which will also need to be reinstalled |
| 19:33.33 | Dakree | babilen: no one there, i just to know how to change the resolution |
| 19:33.41 | babilen | Dakree: And you were already told that we don't support knoppix on OFTC |
| 19:33.47 | robbles | Titan8990: Urgh... okay |
| 19:34.32 | nmvictor | babilen: i'll go off the mac issues for a while, i have been using ubuntu which i understand borrows its roots from debian, is debian as flexible, I mean can I work with openoffice, netbeans, emacs and other cool IDES? |
| 19:34.47 | babilen | nmvictor: sure |
| 19:35.08 | Titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 19:35.08 | dpkg | edlin sucks |
| 19:35.11 | babilen | nmvictor: Just try it. If you don't like it you can always use another distribution. We will try to help with your problems ... |
| 19:35.20 | greycat | not much war there. |
| 19:35.23 | nmvictor | babilen: whats the difference if you were to say? |
| 19:35.24 | babilen | hehe |
| 19:35.57 | Titan8990 | uses M-x butterflies |
| 19:36.03 | amphi | Titan8990: heh |
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| 19:36.31 | Titan8990 | amphi: :), knew someone would get it |
| 19:37.18 | Dakree | im running knoppix in virtual box, and the resolution is way too big, even in fullscreen mode i have to constantly switch to the host to scroll vertically and horrizantly how can i force it to start up in a smaller size, i found that fb1024x860 but i dont know where i can put it |
| 19:37.24 | amphi | Titan8990: 556 |
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| 19:37.41 | greycat | Dakree: how would we know? we use Debian, not Knoppix. |
| 19:37.45 | babilen | nmvictor: Just try it. Really - I could start with "ubuntu for beginners, lots of decisions made for you, less stable and free, bla bla) but it's *your* decision and you should be happy with it. |
| 19:38.23 | Dakree | so does anybody know a knoppix channel that actually offers support for the damn os |
| 19:38.43 | AimHere | #knoppix is supposed to. Whether it does, I know not. |
| 19:39.02 | babilen | nmvictor: And I am not even sure if these points are valid. Haven't used Ubuntu and am a happy Debian user. A major advantage is that you get support in #debian :) |
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| 19:39.24 | Titan8990 | j #knoppix |
| 19:39.27 | nmvictor | babilen: actually i have been using ubuntu for three yrs now and i really hope their is a community around debian, which I beleive their is, honestly thats what makes ubuntu what it is though i have a fealing debian could just be as good. |
| 19:39.52 | Dakree | titan8990: im alreday there, no one is answering my questions |
| 19:40.16 | Titan8990 | Dakree: that was a typo |
| 19:40.26 | babilen | nmvictor: Debian has a great community. Superb mailing lists and IRC channels (IMHO) and great developers. Just try it - if you don't like use something else. :) |
| 19:40.49 | jelly-home | Titan8990: wtf is bj #knoppix |
| 19:40.52 | babilen | nmvictor: enough advertisement :) |
| 19:41.22 | babilen | jelly-home: "knoppix sucks" maybe ? |
| 19:42.00 | Dakree | babilen: right on, but im obligated to run it for linux programming course |
| 19:42.27 | Dakree | dont ask why the doc chose it, i dunno |
| 19:42.54 | Titan8990 | probably because thats what he is familiar with and what he can support. maybe you should ask him about your resolution issues |
| 19:43.03 | babilen | Dakree: Its a good choice IMHO. I encouraged students to install it as well. You will not be disappointed. |
| 19:43.22 | babilen | Dakree: disregard that |
| 19:43.41 | babilen | Dakree: I meant "To try linux" |
| 19:44.10 | Dakree | he could have chose a more supported distrubtion, i use linux, but im not that good |
| 19:44.30 | Titan8990 | the key is that *he* as the teacher can support it |
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| 19:45.24 | robbles | Titan8990: do you know perhaps how to show all installed packages on my system that are from Testing? |
| 19:45.54 | nmvictor | babilen: i'll try you with this messed up mac book, if i'll get it to run any linux, be it debian, i'll give you guys a godd short, ok i dont feel any different as I would in #ubuntu, you are all the same except a few hundreds nicks less |
| 19:46.21 | babilen | nmvictor: I beg to differ :) |
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| 19:46.39 | babilen | nmvictor: Anyway, good luck, enjoy it and come back if you have questions. |
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| 19:47.11 | x3cu710n3r | keep getting this message (vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2.2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) any easy fix?... |
| 19:47.21 | robbles | Titan8990: nevermind, I got it |
| 19:47.40 | babilen | Dakree: Can't you just install any distribution you want and fire up knoppix if you go to class? |
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| 19:48.52 | greycat | x3cu710n3r: search for that file on packages.debian.org and install the corresponding library, if there is one |
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| 19:49.51 | mkultra | do you guys think that most *nix installations would fit into a 10GB partition? |
| 19:50.09 | jelly-home | mkultra: one at a time, perhaps |
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| 19:50.28 | mkultra | jelly-home, obviously |
| 19:50.31 | maligor | the full desktop setups might be relatively big too, and all devel stuff eat space |
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| 19:50.43 | AimHere | A full debian with everything installed might not fit in 10 gigs |
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| 19:51.02 | jelly-home | maligor: /dev/sdc5 20619668 10569336 9002896 55% / # /var and /home are separate |
| 19:51.04 | greycat | you can't install "everything" anyway, because there are certain mutually exclusive combos |
| 19:51.08 | wols_ | amphi: you cannot install "everything" |
| 19:51.08 | jelly-home | uh |
| 19:51.14 | jelly-home | mkultra: /dev/sdc5 20619668 10569336 9002896 55% / # /var and /home are separate |
| 19:51.15 | nmvictor | OK, its almost 11 AM over here so i would rather sleep and deal with this tomorrow, for now am gonna have to go sleep.Besides am on a GSM modem connection, so i wouldnt shove some 699GB off the debian servers through my modem, it would cost me millions of shillings, so i'll do that tomorrow |
| 19:51.22 | wols_ | and debian easily fits in 10GB unless you have lots of user data |
| 19:51.43 | nmvictor | AimHere: did you mean that? |
| 19:51.44 | greycat | A reasonable installation of Debian is way less than 10 GB, yes. |
| 19:51.54 | maligor | ofcourse just yesterday I was wondering why /var was full, it had 10GB of apt's cache |
| 19:51.54 | mkultra | AimHere, I'm not talking installs for everyday use, just to try out different distros |
| 19:51.55 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: you mean MB? |
| 19:52.06 | AimHere | Umm, does it? The last time I bought a set of Debian install DVDs, there was 5 of them |
| 19:52.07 | petemc | passwd jelly-home a h |
| 19:52.07 | jelly-home | is naturally unreasonable |
| 19:52.08 | nmvictor | Titan8990: yea, and 11 PM too |
| 19:52.19 | petemc | erm, s/wd/es/ |
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| 19:52.30 | AimHere | 5x4 = 20 gigs and it's mostly made up of .debs with compression |
| 19:52.41 | AimHere | Anyways, a maximal debian install is far from reasonable |
| 19:52.41 | jelly-home | petemc: thanks! |
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| 19:52.56 | petemc | np! |
| 19:53.21 | greycat | A reasonable installtion of Debian doesn't use anywhere near all the packages in Debian. |
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| 19:53.31 | nmvictor | AimHere: so how big is this debian, it ant a single 699 MB CD i could use live like ubuntu, so its a set of CDs like redhat? |
| 19:53.45 | babilen | nmvictor: Alright. Goodbye and sleep well |
| 19:53.46 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: its a 150mb netinst |
| 19:53.55 | greycat | A single DVD could hold all you want, most likely. Unless you want strange things. |
| 19:53.58 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: the livecd does not function as an installer |
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| 19:54.13 | babilen | nmvictor: I would also suggest to download the "netinstall" CD and just download exactly what you need. |
| 19:54.18 | Titan8990 | unless you debootstrap I suppose |
| 19:54.23 | AimHere | You can install Debian from one CD, but there's a LOT of Debian that you can choose to install, or not, as the fancy takes |
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| 19:55.10 | babilen | nmvictor: If you however go somewhere else to download the CD and go home for the installation it might be better to download a CD1 or DVD1 image |
| 19:55.12 | mkultra | ok so I'll have a 500G windows partition, a 150G lvm for daily use distros, and a 100G extended partition divided into 10 10GB logical partitions to try out various os's/distros |
| 19:55.27 | nmvictor | babilen: Titan8990: so i would dedicate my 700MB CD to a 150 MB , what of the 550,waste..., |
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| 19:55.56 | greycat | if that bothers you, use a CD-RW so you can reuse it |
| 19:56.06 | babilen | nmvictor: It's up to you - if you pay for each MB the difference in size might be some real money and you could just use a RW |
| 19:56.10 | jok3r | hey all, how can i install multiple versions of the same package in debian in isolation? |
| 19:56.11 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: you can use cd1 if you are unconfortable leaving free space on the cd.... |
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| 19:56.31 | greycat | jok3r: set up a chrooted sub-installation |
| 19:56.43 | babilen | jok3r: How would this work on the same installation? |
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| 19:57.26 | jok3r | greycat, that's where i'm headed towards, but for now it's telling me that a package i'm trying to install has a missing pre-inst and post-rm script, and even when i create empty files it says they can't be executed |
| 19:57.32 | jok3r | greycat, is there anyway to disable the reading of scripts? |
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| 19:58.08 | nmvictor | Titan8990: babilen actually I saw AimHere talking of a full debian with everything installed wont feet in 10GB, and I'm afraid coz my iBook is 10GB, will this work? |
| 19:58.20 | babilen | nmvictor: sure |
| 19:58.38 | AimHere | You don't want a full debian with everything installed, nobody does |
| 19:58.39 | babilen | nmvictor: Debian ships 26.000+ packages - you don't want to install all of them ;) |
| 19:58.47 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: i believe he was referring to all 20,000 packages, which is not practical for a single install |
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| 19:59.04 | mkultra | jok3r, use virtualbox? |
| 19:59.11 | sepult | why does apt-get source not build emacs with X ? like the debian standard |
| 19:59.28 | jok3r | mkultra, can't, i need it to run it's own directory, but not literally in isolation |
| 19:59.39 | jok3r | is there a way to disable the reading of scripts using dpkg? |
| 19:59.40 | babilen | sepult: don't you get several binary packages? |
| 19:59.43 | Titan8990 | sepult: there are seperate packages for emacs with X and without |
| 19:59.46 | sepult | does it help to .configure beforehand or will the package builder always build it the same way ? |
| 20:00.01 | nmvictor | babilen: so how do avoid that option, i'd better sleep with that in mind, i mightb not meet as good people on this channel tommorow |
| 20:00.05 | sepult | i'm building from sources |
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| 20:00.05 | greycat | the package is built according to whatever is in pkgdir/debian/rules |
| 20:00.07 | Titan8990 | sepult: specifically emacs2x-x and emacs2x-nox |
| 20:00.20 | sepult | mine was built as emacs22-nox |
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| 20:00.26 | sepult | without X |
| 20:00.26 | babilen | sepult: No you would just need the correct source package. And a couple of source packages build various binary packages |
| 20:00.32 | digi9 | Hi guys. I'm on a netbook with 2 mouse buttons (joined together in one solid "bar" no less), and that's a real PITA when connecting to Plan 9 (I run Debian on the netbook). I'd like to bind the right-hand alt, menu, and control keys to be left, mid, and right clicks respectively. |
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| 20:00.34 | greycat | are you sure it only built ONE .deb file? |
| 20:00.36 | digi9 | How might I do this? |
| 20:00.37 | sepult | oh my |
| 20:00.38 | greycat | sometimes they build many. |
| 20:00.38 | babilen | sepult: -nox == no X |
| 20:00.51 | Titan8990 | yes, last time I build emacs, it was like 5 .debs |
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| 20:00.59 | sepult | i just build with apt-get source emacs, just like that |
| 20:01.10 | mkultra | can you have a boot partition on LVM? |
| 20:01.13 | babilen | nmvictor: Just come by - we'll be here :) |
| 20:01.18 | sepult | how can i pass an option to it or to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 20:01.25 | sepult | wait i have to read |
| 20:01.33 | nmvictor | babilen: whats the time over their? |
| 20:01.33 | babilen | mkultra: yes |
| 20:01.41 | mkultra | babilen, cool |
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| 20:01.42 | babilen | nmvictor: 21:01 |
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| 20:02.19 | mkultra | babilen, just to avoid misunderstandings I mean the /boot partition where the kernel is in |
| 20:02.36 | greycat | sepult: how many .deb files did you get in the parent directory when you built the debianized sources? |
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| 20:03.06 | nmvictor | babilen: its 22:59 over here, a spit of 2 hrs, we might meet i gues, and Titan8990 ,i hope to meet you too |
| 20:03.32 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: im usually here |
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| 20:04.18 | babilen | mkultra: I wouldn't do it though :) |
| 20:04.23 | sepult | greycat: 7 |
| 20:04.27 | babilen | nmvictor: sleep well |
| 20:04.36 | babilen | brb |
| 20:04.37 | sepult | 7 deb's and there is one with -nox as well i see |
| 20:04.45 | sepult | so i installed the false one maybe |
| 20:04.48 | babilen | sepult: yes |
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| 20:04.55 | sepult | together with the others |
| 20:04.56 | sepult | ok |
| 20:04.59 | sepult | got it |
| 20:05.04 | sepult | thank you |
| 20:05.12 | babilen | sepult: You should have a variety of binary packages. The one with -nox is the one with -NO X |
| 20:05.21 | sepult | ok |
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| 20:05.33 | sepult | i'll just remove it |
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| 20:05.42 | babilen | sepult: A bunch of source packages built more than one binary package |
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| 20:06.02 | nmvictor | teddymills: :), usually, like always...., i wish that'd be me, my greatest challenge has alway been our universitys proxy connection which aparently few irc clients will bypass and ubuntu is much hell behind a proxy, i hope debian is some light at the end of the tunnel |
| 20:06.37 | greycat | Um. |
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| 20:06.43 | nmvictor | Titan8990: :), usually, like always...., i wish that'd be me, my greatest challenge has alway been our universitys proxy connection which aparently few irc clients will bypass and ubuntu is much hell behind a proxy, i hope debian is some light at the end of the tunnel |
| 20:06.57 | nmvictor | teddymills: sorry, i rectified that |
| 20:06.57 | greycat | if your location is firewalling IRC, then switching the client OS won't make fuck-all difference. |
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| 20:07.33 | greycat | set up an ssh tunnel to a non-firewalled host or whatever. that's what the rest of us do. |
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| 20:08.32 | nmvictor | greycat: not really firewalling, just proxy, thats all, and unauthenticated to be precie, emacs irc client, erc has an option for proxy, but i dint get much support setting it up |
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| 20:09.49 | nmvictor | greycat: you said a ssh tunnel, i once came across that in my regular googling for answers, is it hard? |
| 20:10.09 | Prestidigitonium | has anyone tried dreamlinux? |
| 20:10.12 | TMM | wols_, that suggestion of yours worked brilliantly :) |
| 20:10.20 | TMM | wols_, thanks again! |
| 20:10.37 | greycat | nmvictor: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshTunnel |
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| 20:13.23 | omg_onoez | hi, its kinda not a debian-related question, i'm just looking for the fast way to delete last 20 lines from text file |
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| 20:13.46 | omg_onoez | sorry for my english, i'm new to linux, trying to write some script |
| 20:14.12 | greycat | load the file in an editor, use the keystroke combo for "delete the last 20 lines" and then the keystroke combo for "save and exit" |
| 20:14.36 | simonrvn | d19 :wq |
| 20:14.47 | Prestidigitonium | lol my irc client crashed. i was saying; has anyone tried dreamlinux? |
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| 20:14.56 | omg_onoez | i'm looking for another way |
| 20:14.58 | greycat | I think you meant G19jdG:wq Enter |
| 20:15.02 | omg_onoez | so i could use it in my script |
| 20:15.08 | sturles | I had some disk problems requiering a lengthy fsck session. Is there a quick way to make dpkg recheck all m5dsums in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums to find packages with errors? |
| 20:15.12 | simonrvn | ooh neat |
| 20:15.17 | greycat | errr.... 19k not 19j |
| 20:16.03 | babilen | omg_onoez: In place? |
| 20:16.08 | greycat | omg_onoez: head -n -20 Yourfile > Newfile |
| 20:16.21 | babilen | omg_onoez: otherwise use head/tail |
| 20:16.24 | omg_onoez | and may i do tail instead of head? |
| 20:16.27 | omg_onoez | oh |
| 20:16.27 | omg_onoez | thx |
| 20:16.28 | greycat | man tail |
| 20:16.30 | greycat | man head |
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| 20:16.32 | greycat | have fun. |
| 20:16.35 | omg_onoez | and thats all? |
| 20:16.39 | babilen | yes |
| 20:16.46 | omg_onoez | thx )) |
| 20:16.57 | babilen | omg_onoez: If you want to do it in place ask #sed :) |
| 20:17.12 | omg_onoez | oh i know about sed and awk |
| 20:17.19 | omg_onoez | but they seem to difficult for my |
| 20:17.21 | omg_onoez | me* |
| 20:17.48 | greycat | sed doesn't do it in-place either. |
| 20:17.51 | nmvictor | greycat: thanks |
| 20:18.03 | harry-houdini1 | anyone able to point me to a good document on the allocation of memory for buffers/caches/user memory /and for kernel memory. I am trying to optimize my desktop experience on a machine with 3 gig of ram running vbox with 1 vm and also simultaneously running it as an iscsi unit ( if i can manage this acrobatic dance) |
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| 20:18.15 | greycat | if you want to script an editor to do it *really* in-place, learn ed(1) |
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| 20:19.00 | greycat | otherwise, head -n -20 works on Debian (but is not portable) |
| 20:19.14 | omg_onoez | hmm |
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| 20:20.23 | omg_onoez | so my new file became empty |
| 20:20.25 | omg_onoez | using etch |
| 20:20.26 | RayzrShrp | so i configure fetchmail to retrieve my imap mail from another mail host and then it delivers it locally? |
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| 20:20.37 | wols_ | RayzrShrp: yes |
| 20:20.50 | wols_ | what it usually does is sending it to your MTA |
| 20:20.58 | babilen | RayzrShrp: You probably want to deliver to procmail to sort your mails |
| 20:21.12 | frikinz | perl -i -nle 'print if 1 .. 20' file |
| 20:21.31 | greycat | omg_onoez: No, on etch, head -n -20 still works. |
| 20:21.37 | RayzrShrp | but imap stays on the server so is it really being delivered? |
| 20:21.38 | greycat | omg_onoez: you typed something wrong. |
| 20:21.56 | greycat | frikinz: he doesn't want the first 20 lines. He wants all BUT the LAST 20 lines. |
| 20:21.59 | omg_onoez | okay, now i c, it was my mistake |
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| 20:22.27 | greycat | If he wanted the first 20 lines, head -n 20 would have been easier. |
| 20:22.40 | greycat | and that one's actually portable too., |
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| 20:25.06 | seniorake | hm, is e4defrag in squeeze or is it going to make it into squeeze before the upcoming freeze? |
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| 20:25.33 | greycat | judd: versions e4defrag |
| 20:25.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'e4defrag' was found. |
| 20:25.45 | greycat | what package is it in? |
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| 20:26.28 | seniorake | I don't know, it is the defragmentation-tool for ext4 fs |
| 20:26.49 | greycat | how do you know it exists, then? |
| 20:27.21 | greycat | anyway, you can search on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:27.58 | seniorake | well that's the name of the tool, it should be with the linux-kernel as basics due to the ext4-support by the kernel |
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| 20:28.33 | seniorake | ext4-support is in squeeze afaik, so i thought e4defrag as well but this was beta software a while ago |
| 20:28.55 | seniorake | and I don't know if it is still considered beta, most people still compile this by source |
| 20:28.57 | seniorake | from source |
| 20:29.13 | jhutchins_lt | I thought ext filesystems didn't fragment? |
| 20:29.16 | seniorake | but I'm not sure how secure this is |
| 20:29.42 | babilen | seniorake: It's not in Debian |
| 20:29.50 | greycat | So 'e4defrag' is the actual name of an upstream source/project? |
| 20:30.10 | greycat | It's not part of some larger set of ext4 tools? |
| 20:30.12 | seniorake | sure it does, it's just less harmful than e.g. FAT or some other ms fs. fragmentation begins when there is less than e.g. 5% disk space available or when there are tons of little files being created and removed permanently |
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| 20:30.27 | seniorake | maybe, I don't know, I really would like to have it, I need it |
| 20:30.30 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: There still seem to be that tool. I asked myself the same question though. |
| 20:30.43 | seniorake | 1.5TB of data consisting of millions of little files, there is fragmentation |
| 20:30.44 | greycat | If it exists, and you know how to compile it, and you need it, then you know what to do. |
| 20:31.09 | seniorake | I know, but I don't always want to do it the freak-way |
| 20:31.20 | seniorake | apt-get install ext4tools is easy |
| 20:31.26 | seniorake | and time is very expensive. |
| 20:31.40 | babilen | all i can find are a couple of "where is e4defrag" posts for various distributions |
| 20:31.50 | seniorake | well yes |
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| 20:32.19 | seniorake | and I have lenny installed on several systems, I was waiting for squeeze and assumed e4defrag-support there |
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| 20:32.27 | seniorake | but obviously it does not come with squeeze .. |
| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | If you don't hit fragmentation 'till you have less than 5% of your space left I'd suggest that you're resources were better spent increasing your storage (or cleaning up your data). |
| 20:33.05 | omg_onoez | i'm running squeeze on 2 boxes using ext4 and fragmentation degree is below zero =) |
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| 20:33.36 | jelly-hhome | someone's using ext4 on production machines?? |
| 20:33.49 | greycat | You know how Linux kiddies are, jelly |
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| 20:34.36 | jelly-hhome | greycat: I know, I tried it and went back after a number of whoopses! |
| 20:34.41 | abrotman | kids .. |
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| 20:35.23 | greycat | "I'm using experimental new file systems on production servers but I can't be bothered to compile the tools for them, because my time is so valuable!" |
| 20:35.48 | seniorake | please guys, not all your scenarios are equal worldwide. I've got fragmentation and enough free space, I know why and I know why there is no real solution but defragmenting this...simply once every 3 months or so |
| 20:35.52 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:36.00 | greycat | And don't forget "ext4 has a 4 in it, and ext3 only has a 3 in it, and 4 is greater than 3, so ext4 must be better!" |
| 20:36.09 | seniorake | true. |
| 20:36.54 | harry-houdini1 | I have allocated 1 gig of memory for the kernel and 2 for user functions in this compiled kernel in advance of using it as an ISCSI unit as well as a desktop for this lab environment is that what people might recommend for such dual usage? |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | greycat: sequels are always better ... |
| 20:37.14 | jelly-hhome | greycat: or in this case, upstream hasn't really figured out the final API and bothered to actually write the tools |
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| 20:37.44 | greycat | I haven't followed the ext4 development at all. |
| 20:37.50 | greycat | Wake me up in a few years when it's ready. |
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| 20:38.14 | RayzrShrp | if i setup mutt to use my imap folders on another host why do i get an error emailed back to me when i try to send email out? it says emailing remote domains is forbidden |
| 20:38.19 | jelly-hhome | I might optimistically retry it in 12-24 months. |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | IMAP is only for reading mail, not for sending. |
| 20:38.34 | RayzrShrp | ahhh |
| 20:38.34 | mixrin | hi folks, i'am using debian in scratchbox (sort of chroot) in my gentoo, and inet domain resolving isn't working. I've copied resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf from my host system into chroot |
| 20:38.41 | mixrin | internet itself working |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | You have to configure mutt to send mail through your mail relay or whatever... |
| 20:38.47 | mixrin | ping working |
| 20:38.50 | mixrin | inside chroot |
| 20:38.54 | mixrin | outside chroot too |
| 20:38.55 | babilen | RayzrShrp: You might want to configure exim4 as a smarthost to send emails to your ISP |
| 20:38.56 | RayzrShrp | greycat: so i need to configure exim to forward my outgoing to the remote smtp |
| 20:38.57 | abrotman | mixrin: is your route working ? |
| 20:39.02 | mixrin | abrotman, yep |
| 20:39.18 | jelly-hhome | mixrin: how do the files actually look like? paste.debian.net or whatnot |
| 20:39.25 | greycat | RayzrShrp: that would be the normal way, yeah |
| 20:39.46 | RayzrShrp | greycat: ok so i just need to run what configure exim4 |
| 20:39.47 | jelly-hhome | mixrin: strace getent hosts google.com :-) |
| 20:40.02 | greycat | RayzrShrp: I think it's "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 20:40.10 | mixrin | abrotman, jelly-hhome http://paste.debian.net/63582/ |
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| 20:40.51 | mixrin | http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/4635742.png |
| 20:40.53 | mixrin | oops |
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| 20:40.56 | mixrin | http://paste.debian.net/63583/ |
| 20:40.57 | abrotman | mixrin: and your chroot can ping itself and the router ? |
| 20:41.03 | mixrin | hosts google.com working ._. |
| 20:41.07 | mixrin | abrotman, yep |
| 20:41.35 | abrotman | are you saying you put google in your /etc/hosts file ? |
| 20:41.42 | mixrin | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > curl google.com |
| 20:41.42 | mixrin | curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'google.com' |
| 20:41.44 | mixrin | nope |
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| 20:42.02 | RayzrShrp | so i would want this mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail |
| 20:42.15 | RayzrShrp | i didnt think smtp was for recieving mail |
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| 20:42.19 | mixrin | abrotman, hosts contain only 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:42.24 | greycat | RayzrShrp: you won't be receiving any mail, so you can just listen on loopback, and send all outgoing mail to a smart host. |
| 20:42.44 | RayzrShrp | greycat: so then this option? mail sent by smarthost; no local mail |
| 20:42.53 | babilen | RayzrShrp: yes |
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| 20:43.15 | RayzrShrp | so will that disable users on my machine from emailing each other locally? |
| 20:43.26 | jelly-hhome | mixrin: that looks like it works! |
| 20:43.49 | greycat | Isn't there an option for "do mail locally; only listen on loopback; send all outgoing through a smart host"? |
| 20:43.59 | jelly-hhome | stores the extra h for future use |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | mixrin: output of `route -n' ? |
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| 20:44.13 | RayzrShrp | greycat: no |
| 20:44.14 | mixrin | jelly-hhome, but curl, apt-get and another programms cannot resolve hostnames ._. |
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| 20:44.42 | mixrin | http://paste.debian.net/63584/ |
| 20:44.43 | SimManiac | hi |
| 20:44.46 | RayzrShrp | greycat: not under exim4 config |
| 20:44.59 | mixrin | 192.168.11.1 - router |
| 20:45.00 | Hatter[1] | if i can see an interface up e.g. eth0:02 , why would an ifdown eth0:02 say 'interface eth0:02 not configured' ? |
| 20:45.02 | mixrin | and my dns |
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| 20:45.43 | greycat | RayzrShrp: well, OK, try the second one. |
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| 20:45.58 | greycat | is no exim guru |
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| 20:46.16 | krion | hey guys |
| 20:46.27 | jelly-home | mixrin: what does... strace -ff curl google.com say! (add -o somefile to strace options to output to a file) |
| 20:46.46 | krion | i just move from etch to lenny and some of my custom perl script return Undefined argument in option spec |
| 20:46.47 | abrotman | mixrin: your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:46.52 | krion | any idea ? |
| 20:46.59 | mixrin | abrotman, this is chroot |
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| 20:47.12 | mixrin | internet connection managed by host system |
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| 20:47.26 | abrotman | mixrin: i don't think any of my debian systems have a UG on the lo interface |
| 20:47.52 | mixrin | UG? |
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| 20:48.43 | greycat | my lenny box doesn't even *have* a loopback line in route -n |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | mine either .. |
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| 20:49.18 | mixrin | jelly-home, here we go :) http://paste.debian.net/63585/ |
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| 20:49.50 | stuckey | Does anyone here know of a guide to making quick .debs from tarballs. I need to build a package for local use only. |
| 20:50.04 | greycat | it won't be quick. |
| 20:50.09 | jelly-home | mixrin: eeugh, is that some sort of a LD_PRELOAD wrapper thingy? |
| 20:50.24 | stuckey | greycat: no quick way to do it? |
| 20:50.24 | mixrin | which? |
| 20:50.29 | jelly-home | scratchbox |
| 20:50.37 | mixrin | jelly-home, nope |
| 20:50.59 | jelly-home | the strace is weird |
| 20:51.28 | jelly-home | connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 28) = 0 |
| 20:51.33 | mixrin | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > echo $LD_PRELOAD; /scratchbox/tools/lib/libsb.so.0 |
| 20:51.37 | mixrin | hmm, yep |
| 20:51.55 | jelly-home | mixrin: it assumes there's a local dnscache |
| 20:52.22 | jelly-home | recvfrom(4, 0xbff0eb60, 1024, 0, 0xbff0e080, 0xbff0e040) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
| 20:52.23 | mixrin | jelly-home, dnscache? Is there any ways to disabe it? |
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| 20:52.54 | vadmeste | Hey, does someone know a good book about how to lead a open source project ? |
| 20:52.56 | jelly-home | mixrin: I mean, it seems to be overriding gethostbyname() in atleast some cases |
| 20:53.04 | vadmeste | or how to use open source tools to lead projects |
| 20:53.33 | mixrin | i don't really want dns-cache, it is only envinronment for embedded development |
| 20:53.34 | mixrin | hmm |
| 20:53.46 | jelly-home | mixrin: you'll want to rtfm scratchbox thing and see how it interacts with resolver related libc calls |
| 20:54.22 | frikinz | the problem exists since years.. I've run into it but solved it by removing mdns4.. looks like you don't have it.. no idea. maybe add it :) |
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| 20:54.25 | mixrin | jelly-home, thanks a lot, i'll check this tomorrow |
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| 20:54.41 | mixrin | frikinz, i removed it from nsswitch.conf |
| 20:54.46 | jelly-home | mixrin: because now it acts as if you have nameserver 0.0.0.0 in resolv.conf |
| 20:54.50 | Hatter[1] | is there another way i can bring down in eth* interface other than ifdown ? |
| 20:55.05 | frikinz | in the end, I mirrored locally the repository.. |
| 20:55.06 | greycat | Hatter[1]: reboot |
| 20:55.08 | dimir | mixrin: did you copy resolv.conf from the system to sbox? |
| 20:55.15 | nvz | Hatter[1]: man ip |
| 20:55.22 | mixrin | dimir, yep |
| 20:55.26 | mixrin | jelly-home, nothing |
| 20:55.33 | mixrin | even getent hosts doesn't working now |
| 20:55.37 | Hatter[1] | nvz, thx, i will check ip |
| 20:55.50 | dimir | mixrin: what did you do to make it stop working? :-) |
| 20:56.03 | Hatter[1] | greycat, yes reboot brings down the whole house... :) |
| 20:56.07 | mixrin | dimir, it wasn't working from start D: |
| 20:56.14 | dimir | :-D |
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| 20:56.18 | nvz | Hatter[1]: I have been told to learn ip, as it is more accurate than ifup/down |
| 20:56.28 | dimir | mixrin: well, actually, there is #scratchbox IIRC |
| 20:56.42 | mixrin | dimir, i know |
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| 20:56.50 | jelly-home | dimir: he uses a weird library that overrides lots of syscalls and glibc functions to provide a chroot-like environment |
| 20:56.54 | gizmore | would it harm if i create a user named foo.bar? |
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| 20:57.23 | mixrin | jelly-home, dimir thanks for help, at least i know in which direction i should look |
| 20:57.26 | nvz | gizmore: are you the admin of the box? |
| 20:57.30 | jelly-home | gizmore: you machine will become sentient and put the cat on fire |
| 20:57.35 | mixrin | see ya later, maybe :) |
| 20:57.37 | gizmore | nvz: yes |
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| 20:57.49 | nvz | gizmore: then you have every right to make yourself miserable. ;) |
| 20:57.49 | greycat | Um, why can't he just use an actual chroot? |
| 20:57.55 | greycat | Would that be too simple? |
| 20:58.10 | jelly-home | why use chroot when you can fakechroot! |
| 20:58.19 | Hatter[1] | well ifconfig eth0:02 down worked, but ifdown eth0:02 didnt |
| 20:58.32 | gizmore | nvz: i have a very simple postfix and courier-imap that is working with etc/passwd ... can i somehow allow user foo to send email as foo.bar? |
| 20:58.40 | jelly-home | judging by the strace, it's some sort of a cowbuilder-like environment |
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| 20:58.55 | Pavlz | hello |
| 20:58.56 | dimir | well, it's an emulator of the device. |
| 20:58.57 | jelly-home | emphasis on cow part |
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| 20:59.03 | dimir | You run maemo in sbox. |
| 20:59.04 | Pavlz | one query |
| 20:59.05 | greycat | Hatter[1]: and it's defined with that name in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:59.11 | dimir | maemo5 in his case. |
| 20:59.22 | nvz | gizmore: way beyond my scope. but my guess would be yes |
| 20:59.28 | dimir | emulator of the embedded device. |
| 20:59.47 | Pavlz | i don't find a package for GNU/linux which works as analyzer spectrum |
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| 21:00.16 | hellolp | hello |
| 21:00.21 | Pavlz | can any help me ? |
| 21:00.35 | hellolp | With what? |
| 21:00.49 | dimir | :-D |
| 21:00.51 | nvz | find it probably cannot, you because talk you backwards\ |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | Pavlz: 'uname -r' ? |
| 21:01.12 | Pavlz | i am searching a package which works as analyzer spectrum |
| 21:01.29 | abrotman | Pavlz: 'uname -r' ? |
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| 21:01.31 | nvz | spectrum analyzer even |
| 21:01.34 | hellolp | Pavlz: What is that? |
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| 21:01.41 | laurus | Does Debian Squeeze come with Empathy as the default IM client? |
| 21:01.41 | Pavlz | a software |
| 21:01.42 | babilen | Pavlz: You are probably using ubuntu and we therefore can't help you |
| 21:01.52 | JPT | Pavlz: how about amarok + moodbar? |
| 21:01.58 | dimir | $ apt-cache search analyzer spectrum utilities |
| 21:01.59 | dimir | spectools - Utilities for using the Wi-Spy USB spectrum analyzer hardware |
| 21:02.15 | abrotman | Pavlz: please answer my question |
| 21:02.16 | dimir | Is that the thing? |
| 21:02.20 | babilen | laurus: Empathy is in Debian if you mean that. Not sure what is included in the desktop task. Might be pidgin as well. Check that task |
| 21:02.33 | laurus | babilen, how do I check that? |
| 21:02.38 | hellolp | I am having trouble with my ATI HD-4350 |
| 21:02.43 | laurus | I've always wanted to know which packages are by default installed. |
| 21:02.47 | Pavlz | i am searching in the list of packages available on debian |
| 21:02.55 | Pavlz | i don't find the name ! |
| 21:02.56 | greycat | There is no "default IM client". |
| 21:02.59 | babilen | Pavlz: "aptitude" --> Tasks ;) |
| 21:03.02 | Pavlz | which is the name ? |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | Pavlz: which version of ubuntu are oyu using? |
| 21:03.18 | hellolp | I am having trouble with my ATI HD-4350 |
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| 21:03.30 | greycat | hellolp: don't repeat. say what the problem is. |
| 21:03.30 | laurus | greycat, you know what I mean, the one that comes installed with the Desktop packages. |
| 21:03.34 | Pavlz | which is the name of the of the package ? |
| 21:03.45 | greycat | I didn't know the Desktop task included one. |
| 21:03.45 | babilen | Pavlz: Which package? |
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| 21:03.54 | abrotman | Pavlz: why can't you tell us which version of linux you're running? |
| 21:04.06 | Pavlz | a package whick works as analyzer of spectrum |
| 21:04.16 | greycat | Pavlz: and you were shown a name. Up above. Read. |
| 21:04.17 | nvz | abrotman: I think he's ignoring you. Beginning to suspect if he's listening to / reading anything |
| 21:04.22 | babilen | Pavlz: answer abrotman's question please |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | asks everyone to stop helping Pavlz .. |
| 21:04.24 | hellolp | greycat: $ fglrxinfo |
| 21:04.24 | hellolp | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 21:04.25 | hellolp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.25 | hellolp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.25 | hellolp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.55 | RayzrShrp | greycat: so it's wanting me to put in the domain name |
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| 21:05.01 | greycat | Is fglrx even supported? Is it supported here? |
| 21:05.04 | laurus | babilen, any idea how to see a list of packages that come with "Desktop"? |
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| 21:05.05 | RayzrShrp | greycat: but i dont really have a domain i can use |
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| 21:05.13 | babilen | laurus: the "default" installation is quite small. It's just the packages you definitely need ... |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | greycat: it's wonky in squeeze currently |
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| 21:05.31 | babilen | laurus: yes, run aptitude and check "Tasks" |
| 21:05.40 | greycat | I mean, when he comes back, it would be nice to be able to tell him simply "We don't support fglrx at all." |
| 21:05.40 | Pavlz | spectrum analyzer |
| 21:05.42 | Pavlz | spectrum analyzer |
| 21:05.43 | Pavlz | spectrum analyzer |
| 21:05.52 | greycat | Pavlz: READ WHAT YOU WERE FUCKING TOLD ALREADY |
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| 21:05.59 | hellolp | kl |
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| 21:06.06 | greycat | 16:01 dimir> spectools - Utilities for using the Wi-Spy USB spectrum analyzer hardware |
| 21:06.14 | babilen | laurus: ah, no. that actually does not contain a package list for certain tasks |
| 21:06.14 | abrotman | Pavlz: please ask the channel for the distro that you're using. |
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| 21:06.32 | RayzrShrp | greycat: this is where i get stuck with mail |
| 21:06.33 | laurus | babilen, that's ok! I just wondered what will happen when I install squeeze :P |
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| 21:06.39 | hellolp | Sorry, I lost connection. What is the problem? |
| 21:06.48 | RayzrShrp | greycat: it's a standalone system so im not going to have a fqdn |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | hellolp: use paste.debian.net to paste |
| 21:06.51 | RayzrShrp | greycat: it' |
| 21:06.52 | greycat | hellolp: The problem is (1) you flooded, and (2) you're using fglrx. |
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| 21:07.24 | RayzrShrp | greycat: oops it's just called compaq, there is no example.com after the hostname on my machine |
| 21:07.25 | greycat | RayzrShrp: make one up, and put .local at the end or something. |
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| 21:07.42 | babilen | laurus: I would suggest to install a small system and just add what you want. |
| 21:08.04 | hellolp | greycat: what is wrong with fglrx? |
| 21:08.13 | laurus | babilen, well I don't care that much whether or not it's Empathy or Pidgin, I'm just curious to see if Empathy is being adopted as the default IM client over Pidgin in the next Debian release. |
| 21:08.20 | RayzrShrp | greycat: so i can use whatever i want? |
| 21:08.24 | greycat | fglrx is dodgy proprietary crap |
| 21:08.30 | babilen | laurus: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 21:08.36 | greycat | !fglrx |
| 21:08.37 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition: does not support Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) as of fglrx-driver 1:10-1-1 (Debian bug #564444). Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:09.02 | hellolp | greycat: I want to use the GPU and I have no other choice |
| 21:09.09 | greycat | Then read what dpkg said. |
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| 21:10.33 | laurus | babilen, I don't think that works correctly, since pidgin doesn't seem to be on the list for Desktop. |
| 21:10.49 | laurus | But on my computer, Pidgin definitely came. |
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| 21:11.11 | babilen | laurus: http://paste.debian.net/63589/ |
| 21:11.26 | laurus | babilen, right, pidgin isn't in there. |
| 21:11.38 | \amethyst | in lenny, 'gnome' Recommends: pidgin |
| 21:11.43 | babilen | laurus: You can ask aptitude why pidgin was installed: "aptitude why pidgin" |
| 21:11.58 | laurus | babilen, \amethyst : ahh I see... |
| 21:12.07 | \amethyst | in sid it does not, but 'gnome-desktop-environment' Depends: empathy |
| 21:12.12 | babilen | laurus: It was probably a dependency/recommendation of a meta package like gnome/gnome-desktop-environment/... |
| 21:12.37 | SerajewelKS | more accurately, gnome recommends (empathy | pidgin) |
| 21:12.40 | SerajewelKS | at least in lenny |
| 21:12.45 | \amethyst | ah |
| 21:12.46 | laurus | SerajewelKS, how about in squeeze? |
| 21:13.07 | greycat | laurus: you can check it yourself. apt-cache show gnome |
| 21:13.18 | SerajewelKS | laurus: what greycat said, or use pdo |
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| 21:13.21 | laurus | greycat, I don't have squeeze |
| 21:13.26 | laurus | Otherwise I'd have checked it |
| 21:13.33 | RayzrShrp | holy crap setting up exim4 to smarthost asks a lot of questions i don't know the answer to |
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| 21:13.51 | SerajewelKS | laurus: and the current state of the gnome package in squeeze doesn't really indicate what the status will be on release |
| 21:14.02 | laurus | SerajewelKS, okay, thanks :) I guess I'll just have to wait and see :) |
| 21:14.26 | SerajewelKS | laurus: and see http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome |
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| 21:14.34 | RayzrShrp | i'm just not understanding how hostnames on linux machines work |
| 21:14.39 | laurus | SerajewelKS, I did, but that doesn't mention pidgin or empathy... |
| 21:14.56 | SerajewelKS | laurus: so it looks like that recommends has been removed entirely. perhaps it's on another package instead. |
| 21:15.30 | RayzrShrp | if i actually have a domain name registered but my linux box has a dynamic ip then it really doesnt do me any good does it? |
| 21:15.34 | SerajewelKS | laurus: gnome-desktop-environment depends on empathy |
| 21:15.37 | laurus | SerajewelKS, it does say: squeeze (testing) (gnome): High-level library and user-interface for Telepathy |
| 21:15.41 | SerajewelKS | laurus: so gnome -> gde -> empathy |
| 21:15.46 | SerajewelKS | laurus: pidgin is not mentioned |
| 21:15.52 | dendrite | We maintain several packages that need to bounce apache in postinst. Is there a standard way to have those postinst scripts register a central, one-time restart of apache, rather than having each package do the restart? |
| 21:15.54 | laurus | SerajewelKS, okay! Thanks! Excellent! |
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| 21:16.06 | RayzrShrp | i would have to have a static ip and point dns for that domain to my linux box |
| 21:16.12 | abrotman | dendrite: is a 'reload' not sufficient ? |
| 21:16.12 | SerajewelKS | laurus: np. dunno why that makes you happy but np. |
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| 21:16.25 | laurus | SerajewelKS, I'm happy they're moving to it as default :) |
| 21:16.35 | dendrite | abrotman: Good question. Probably not, since the packages include mod_perl |
| 21:16.37 | adnc | hello, is there any key-combination that interrupts lilo's boot process and gives me a sort of prompt in order to initiate a different runlevel? |
| 21:16.40 | SerajewelKS | laurus: ok. i don't care because i can still purge empathy after upgrade. :) |
| 21:16.43 | Maks4 | hi |
| 21:16.44 | dendrite | mod perl execs,that is. |
| 21:16.48 | laurus | SerajewelKS, oh you won't use it? |
| 21:16.49 | nvz | adnc: shift I think it is |
| 21:17.02 | SerajewelKS | laurus: it's hardly on par with pidgin... |
| 21:17.06 | Maks4 | anyone can tell how to enable visual effects in intel 82845g |
| 21:17.07 | greycat | adnc: left-Shift I believe is the "interrupt LILO" keystroke |
| 21:17.08 | laurus | Oh ok :P |
| 21:17.14 | laurus | Anyway, I've got to go, talk to you later! |
| 21:17.15 | greycat | adnc: or maybe it was Right-Shift...? |
| 21:17.16 | adnc | nvz, unfortunately it doesnt work |
| 21:17.23 | adnc | greycat i'll try them now |
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| 21:17.42 | x3cu710n3r | i've searching everywhere for (libstdc++-libsc6.2-2.so.3) ... but i just can't find it |
| 21:17.48 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. So aptitude safe-upgrade was roughly interrupted in the middle of installing software including kernel. Now the thing can not finish the upgrade. What is there for me to actually do to resolve the issue? |
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| 21:18.04 | adnc | this is really bad. i've enabled watchdog to monitor asterisk, now for any reason it reboots all the time the board |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: dpkg --configure -a .. is there an error ? |
| 21:18.14 | Maks4 | anyone can tell how to enable visual effects in intel 82845g |
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| 21:18.26 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 21:18.32 | adnc | none of the shift keys do interrupt lilo |
| 21:18.32 | Maks4 | ubuntu |
| 21:18.37 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: then go ask #ubuntu please |
| 21:18.50 | Maks4 | but i wanna ask debian |
| 21:18.56 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: we don't want to anwser you |
| 21:18.56 | Maks4 | if its possible here |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | you're using ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:19.01 | SerajewelKS | !tell Maks4 about ubuntu |
| 21:19.09 | Matic`Makovec | abhoriel, numerous errors, this is why it's failing |
| 21:19.09 | Maks4 | i will switch to debian |
| 21:19.21 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: use a pastebin |
| 21:19.22 | Maks4 | one more member added to debian |
| 21:19.26 | abrotman | Maks4: so install debian, then come back |
| 21:19.44 | Maks4 | ok thats what i am asking |
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| 21:19.59 | Maks4 | will i get the desktop visual effects |
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| 21:20.12 | nvz | heh |
| 21:20.15 | Maks4 | for my intel 82845g |
| 21:20.15 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: debian has compiz, which is the same engine that ubuntu uses for desktop effects. whether compiz runs depends on your hardware support. |
| 21:20.21 | nvz | depends on how much acid you took |
| 21:20.38 | Maks4 | no it does not run |
| 21:20.39 | stuckey | I'm getting dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs libsane-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgimp2.0-dev |
| 21:20.44 | stuckey | But these are listed in the control file |
| 21:20.45 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: intel is unlikely to support all the operations compiz needs, and even if it did it would probably not run very fast. |
| 21:20.48 | MunkeN | Hey guys. What am I doing wrong if I do "iwconfig wlan0 essid Wireless", and then "iwconfig" shows ESSID:"\x02\x1A\xFEC\xFB\xFA\xAA:\xFB)...."? |
| 21:20.49 | stuckey | I'm uing pdebuild |
| 21:20.52 | mns | fsck tells me that /dev/sda3 has a filesystem size bigger then the physical size. what's the best course of action for something like that ? |
| 21:20.53 | x3cu710n3r | i've been trying to get tightvnc to work forever now... but no matter what i try it keeps telling me that i'm missing libstdc++-libsc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 21:20.56 | Maks4 | ok |
| 21:21.03 | x3cu710n3r | anyone know how to solve this issue? |
| 21:21.08 | Maks4 | so do u think having a 3d card is must |
| 21:21.13 | greycat | x3cu710n3r: recompile it with your libraries. |
| 21:21.16 | nvz | MunkeN: checked dmesg for messages? |
| 21:21.20 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: if you're like me though you'll try them for a few months then realize that they really don't have much value. (except possibly the scale plugin.) |
| 21:21.36 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: 3d acceleration will make compiz run very fast, yes |
| 21:21.53 | Maks4 | hey <SerajewelKS> thanks for answering knowing i dont have debian |
| 21:21.57 | abrotman | Maks4: install debian or go away |
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| 21:22.18 | x3cu710n3r | greycat: i'm totally new to this.. could you please explain abit more detailed? |
| 21:22.20 | Maks4 | hey <SerajewelKS> thanks man |
| 21:22.29 | MunkeN | It says some stuff about direct probe, direct probe responded, authenticated and deauthenticating, nvz. I can get wireless working if I use the gnome-network-manager, but not from the commandline |
| 21:22.41 | greycat | x3cu710n3r: Get source code. Compile source code. |
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| 21:22.52 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> actually i just want a 3d cube |
| 21:23.12 | nvz | MunkeN: does your wireless use some kind of encryption or security? and why do you need it to work from the command line? |
| 21:23.16 | Maks4 | when i am changing my desktop |
| 21:23.23 | greycat | Hah, tightvnc.com is blacklisted by our firewall. |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | Maks4: this is still *not* #ubuntu |
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| 21:23.47 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: for reference, i was able to run WoW through wine on linux, using an nvidia 8800gt. it ran with a higher FPS than under windows. |
| 21:24.01 | abrotman | or keep getting SerajewelKS to answer questions ... |
| 21:24.04 | MunkeN | No, no encryption or security. Because I don't want to have to start x just to get the wireless working, nvz. :/ |
| 21:24.05 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: running that AND using the desktop cube at the same time was enough to kill my framerate |
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| 21:24.20 | jhutchins_lt | Windows has too much skulduggery going on under the surface. |
| 21:24.30 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> so i guess its not of much use |
| 21:24.34 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: pastebin coming ? |
| 21:24.38 | km0ti0n | Humm. I've opted to use LVM and use seperate partitions for 3 boxes that are headless and just run n/w services. The default LVM partition layout have setup /varwith 190mb, they only been running for 24 hours and the var partition is already full. |
| 21:24.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: "will compiz run on this hardware on debian" is surely on-topic |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: he's metaasking .. seriously .. come on |
| 21:24.54 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: personally i don't see any usability benifit. it's pure eye candy. |
| 21:25.11 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> thats true |
| 21:25.16 | jhutchins_lt | MunkeN: You should be able to set security/encryption params in /etc/network/interfaces. Have you read the docs? |
| 21:25.23 | Matic`Makovec | abrotman, I wish I'd have something useful. It's a virtual machine so I'm kind of screwed. Doesn't matter, I'll just do something wierd with it. |
| 21:25.27 | greycat | Maks4: are you *quoting* SerajewelKS or talking to him/her? |
| 21:25.30 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: so you can't paste ? |
| 21:25.37 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: he just said he does NOT USE security if you were paying attention\ |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | greycat: he's using a crappy IRC client |
| 21:25.48 | Matic`Makovec | abrotman, more or less - yes |
| 21:25.51 | stuckey | Anyone know how to use pdebuild? |
| 21:25.51 | Maks4 | but i am still shocked that in windows i am able to run 3d desktop |
| 21:25.55 | greycat | putting someone's nickname in <brackets> is usually quoting them. Not addressing them. |
| 21:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I gathered that was based on not having the GUI tool. |
| 21:25.59 | km0ti0n | I'm gonna swap over to larger disks, what do you reccommend for partitioning on services, the home isn't really going to be used. shoudl I use LVM and should I create seperate partitions? |
| 21:26.02 | SerajewelKS | greycat: him |
| 21:26.18 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> in windows iam still able to run 3d desktop? |
| 21:26.20 | SerajewelKS | greycat: the nick is a long story but i am in fact male... |
| 21:26.24 | km0ti0n | s/on services/on server that just run services/ |
| 21:26.27 | greycat | SerajewelKS: no problem |
| 21:26.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: see .. this is what it leads to ... |
| 21:26.35 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: no his problem is when using iwconfig its showing up as \x000\x014..etc in his essid |
| 21:26.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sigh, i had a feeling... |
| 21:26.55 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: windows is a different OS with different drivers, and is not remotely on-topic |
| 21:26.57 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: which made me think either the AP was misconfigured or that its encrypted and he did not authenticate |
| 21:26.58 | greycat | Maks4: nothing you do in Debian has any effect on anything you can or can't do in Windows. |
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| 21:27.01 | abrotman | Maks4: install debian, then come back .. we're not going to support Ubuntu or Windows |
| 21:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I don't think there are encrypted SSID's. |
| 21:27.54 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: They're usually either open ASCII or unadvertized. |
| 21:27.55 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> greycat abrotman ................well actually i thought sharing makes someone feel good |
| 21:27.55 | MunkeN | I can find the network when scanning for it though |
| 21:27.58 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: *shrug* i've seen that before but don't know what causes it.. which is why I told him to check dmesg and see if there were any clues |
| 21:28.11 | abrotman | Maks4: this channel is for Debian support |
| 21:28.24 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> greycat abrotman but i dint asked anyting for ubuntu |
| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I leave it in your capable hands then. |
| 21:28.38 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> greycat abrotman i just asked about the intel motherboard |
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| 21:28.54 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: "16:26 < Maks4> <SerajewelKS> in windows iam still able to run 3d desktop?" -- this is irrelevant to that question |
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| 21:29.02 | greycat | And he doesn't take hints about quoting vs. addressing. :-/ |
| 21:29.18 | nvz | I have no idea, and I'm coming down the highway about to be home.. heh I'm just telling you he's not looking to figure out how to use encryption so sending him to docs on that isn't helping anyone |
| 21:29.21 | Maks4 | it was good of <SerajewelKS> that he explained me |
| 21:29.22 | SerajewelKS | greycat: the line between troll and clueless sure is blurry these days |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | Maks4: this is NOT a hardware support channel .. |
| 21:29.50 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: i'm happy to give info about what stuff debian supports, but what windows supports is irrelevant and what ubuntu supports is also irrelevant |
| 21:29.55 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> well thats true thats what i wanted to know whats the thing that makes it different |
| 21:30.01 | macrobat | Maks4: the "<>" is for quoting, dont use them like that |
| 21:30.12 | Baron_Munchausen | has a weird problem with kppp -- it won't send the CR for any of the modem commands except the init. So, it inititializes the modem and then freezes |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | Maks4: what is what thing that makes what other things different? |
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| 21:30.44 | Maks4 | <SerajewelKS> ok as u wish i am out of it |
| 21:30.47 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: the thing that makes it difference is that windows is windows and has windows drivers and windows software. debian has debian/linux drivers and debian/linux software. |
| 21:30.58 | Maks4 | thanks for the help |
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| 21:31.10 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: np |
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| 21:31.19 | Maks4 | well abrotman |
| 21:31.23 | Maks4 | this is for u |
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| 21:31.48 | Maks4 | i will install debian but dude ur such an ass |
| 21:31.50 | SerajewelKS | Maks4: also note that many hardware manufacturers provide complete windows drivers and don't for linux or release specs, leaving the kernel community to reverse-engineer a driver. |
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| 21:32.09 | greycat | s/kernel community/graphics community/ |
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| 21:32.32 | SerajewelKS | greycat: or that. (i had the understanding they overlapped quite a bit.) |
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| 21:32.46 | greycat | could be. |
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| 21:33.13 | wols_ | since KMS they definitely do |
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| 21:35.09 | rares | how do I make alsa work on multiple users when using fast user switch |
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| 21:35.34 | MunkeN | Hm. Can it be that I have smth that's interfering with my iwconfig, nvz? |
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| 21:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | Network profiles? |
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| 21:37.24 | greycat | rares: #alsa might be a better place to ask |
| 21:37.28 | MunkeN | If I do "iwconfig wlan0 essid Wireless && iwconfig wlan0", it prints out ESSID:"Wireless", but if I then run iwconfig again, it shows 'rubbish' |
| 21:37.34 | greycat | rares: I suspect it'll depend on your sound chipset |
| 21:38.04 | anao | Hello@ALL Does anyone knows solution for consolekit Bug? upto 80 instances? Ubuntu 8.10-9.10+Debian Testing |
| 21:38.18 | rares | ok here's a different question |
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| 21:38.54 | rares | i have no root password and some gnome admin tools insist on asking for it all the others go through alsa |
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| 21:39.03 | rares | er sudo |
| 21:39.05 | rares | not alsa |
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| 21:40.32 | Titan8990 | rares: assign a root password... |
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| 21:40.54 | greycat | or stop using (those) GNOME admin tools |
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| 21:41.05 | SerajewelKS | rares: i did not think that passwd would let you assign an empty password |
| 21:41.13 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: passwd -l |
| 21:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | anao: If somebody has the fix it should be posted to the bugreport. |
| 21:41.16 | greycat | he didn't say an empty password |
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| 21:41.53 | SerajewelKS | ah, i see. i read "no root password" as "empty root password" not "locked root account" |
| 21:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | rares: You can manually launch those tools with gsudo (or whatever it's called these days). |
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| 21:42.02 | greycat | "have no root password" could mean "blank" or "I put gibberish in the second field of the shadow file" |
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| 21:42.55 | OperaFan | Hi, it seems my virtualusers table has recently stopped working I run a postfix/dovecot setup on Debian on my home server. 90% of my spam arrives at 3 or 4 |
| 21:42.55 | OperaFan | email address destinations, so it was a doddle to just reject them before they entered the postfix blackhole (I don't want spam assassin chewing through them, as thisis an embedded system and SA can be CPU intensive). Is there a know problem with virtualuser tables? Has anything changed? |
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| 21:42.55 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Isn't "*" the conventional lock? |
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| 21:42.55 | MunkeN | Hm. Apparently I'm running wireless-tools version 30, some sort of beta |
| 21:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | rares: Which release are you on? |
| 21:42.58 | greycat | * is just short gibberish. |
| 21:43.02 | Titan8990 | judd: versions wireless-tools |
| 21:43.03 | judd | wireless-tools -- etch: 28-1+etchnhalf.1; etch-backports: 29~pre22-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 29-1.1; sid: 30~pre9-4; squeeze: 30~pre9-4 |
| 21:43.07 | Armageddon | how do I fix this ? http://paste.debian.net/63593/ |
| 21:43.18 | OperaFan | postconf - n : http://pastebin.com/b1vwdB5J |
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| 21:43.40 | SerajewelKS | greycat: right, my brain just interpreted that sentence as straightforwardly as possible and didn't consider the locked alternative |
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| 21:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: Check your logs, postfix usually has meaningful messages |
| 21:44.09 | Titan8990 | Armageddon: install debian-archive-keyring (or reinstall) |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | Armageddon: aptitude install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update && apt-get update |
| 21:44.21 | anao | jhutchins_lt: Yes i cant believe that this bug is unsolved since Desktop is upgraded at Debian seen on Squeeze and Ubuntu since 8.10 you can't install most programs without hal+dbus and this BUGGY consolekit..i use JWM..for fast |
| 21:44.41 | abrotman | though .. it kind of looks like a bad mirror sync |
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| 21:44.46 | abrotman | or a crappy proxy |
| 21:45.15 | anao | jhutchins_lt: The horrible Deps of consolekit make me crazy.. |
| 21:45.23 | Armageddon | Titan8990, abrotman thanks |
| 21:45.56 | anao | do anyone writes GTK Programs here? |
| 21:46.00 | stuckey | Can canyone help me with pdebuild? |
| 21:46.21 | anao | i like to learn to develop GTK+ Programs |
| 21:46.29 | Baron_Munchausen | Does anyone use kppp anymore Is it still being maintained? |
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| 21:47.19 | Titan8990 | anao: #gtk |
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| 21:47.51 | nervousTwitch | id like to add a chat widget to a web page are there any? |
| 21:47.52 | jsn | I have an old disk (CD-RW) which allegedly contains a backup, but a plain old mount /dev/cdrom says it can't identify the filetype. It could be broken, but is there a tool that will probe and try to figure out the filetype, in case it is hfsplus or something? |
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| 21:48.54 | jsn | Forget about it, I just remembered I _did_ have a Mac back then and it _was_ an HFS filesystem. |
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| 21:49.11 | Titan8990 | jsn: CDs use iso9660 filesystem type |
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| 21:50.12 | anao | Titan8990:GTK+? easy to learn? |
| 21:50.29 | anao | like php5-code? |
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| 21:50.59 | nervousTwitch | openfire sounds interesting |
| 21:51.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i am taking to Maks4... the short of it is he doesn't really know what distro he wants or even what desktop he wants. so he's really in information-gathering mode, not ubuntu-is-broken-and-i-need-help mode. he asked me to relay his apology for losing his temper. |
| 21:51.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he did not ask to be unbanned |
| 21:51.26 | OperaFan | Can postfix be trying to be too smart? I arm sending myself emails from my gmail account to my known spam addresses, and they are getting though. Does it somehow let it through because it's from a trusted domain? |
| 21:52.06 | greycat | sounds like a #postfix question |
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| 21:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: #postfix is very helpful. |
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| 21:59.03 | gp5st | if i install the debian libdrmaa, how do it get it to point to sge? when i use it i get "failed receiving gdi request response for mid=1 (got syncron message receive timeout error)." |
| 21:59.04 | hayleyw | i'm using arp |awk '{print $1}' to get a list of ips on the lan. but how can i get a list where it has the ip first, followed by the hostname? |
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| 22:00.57 | Titan8990 | hayleyw: i would recommend: `nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24` for an active scan of the network. For passive detection of other hosts, use lanmap from the repos |
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| 22:02.02 | Titan8990 | hayleyw: arp will be incomplete unless your running it on the network gateway or a switch that they are all connected to |
| 22:02.30 | Number5 | Hello guys, Iceweasel crashes when opening flash video, not all of them, but I suspect those hd video on youtube. Can't seem to find useful solution to this problem. |
| 22:02.45 | hayleyw | Titan8990, thanks. on the gateway, actually :) |
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| 22:06.43 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: architecture? Release? |
| 22:07.50 | Number5 | jhutchins, sorry, Debian Lenny on an amd64 |
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| 22:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: I'm thinking that's a known issue with flash64. So well known, in fact, that mozilla is working on isolating the flash player so it doesn't take the browser with it when it crashes. |
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| 22:10.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: I wasn't mad at him .. it was offtopic to begin with and namecalling anyone (not me) is not appreciated |
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| 22:11.42 | tuv | i can't find a simple systray battery monitor that would warn me about low battery levels. looking for a non-desktop-env one that i intend to use with openbox and stalonetray |
| 22:11.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: understood, just letting you know he apologizes for the namecalling, for whatever it's worth to you |
| 22:11.54 | Number5 | jhutchins, let me guess, flash has serious bugs because of 64 bits and 32 bits integers... :p |
| 22:12.29 | Number5 | jhutchins_lt, isn't there any other solution to this? |
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| 22:13.01 | Number5 | no opensource variant to play youtube videos? |
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| 22:13.08 | hellyeah | hey |
| 22:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: I don't know of one, but I don't run 64b. I would spend some time with google. |
| 22:13.21 | hellyeah | i am using debian-squeeze |
| 22:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: Not until they go html5. |
| 22:13.27 | SerajewelKS | Number5: i run flash on 64-bit without problems |
| 22:13.35 | hellyeah | i cant see program applet on gnome-panel |
| 22:13.54 | SerajewelKS | Number5: just install flashplugin-nonfree from contrib |
| 22:13.59 | hellyeah | i mean i cannot see fusion-icon symbol |
| 22:14.07 | Number5 | html5 is an opensource project? |
| 22:14.21 | SerajewelKS | Number5: html 5 is a specification |
| 22:14.35 | Number5 | is it an open standard...? |
| 22:15.11 | Number5 | so everyone can write software for html5 and not only big companies? |
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| 22:16.26 | icebrain | Number5: yes, sure |
| 22:16.47 | icebrain | Number5: it's defined by the w3c, like the other HTML versions |
| 22:17.20 | icebrain | anyway, if you want to play youtube videos, try the "Perfect Youtube" greasemonkey script |
| 22:19.11 | icebrain | it replaces the flash player with an embedded file, so if you have a plugin that can play the files (I use MozPlugger) you don't need Flash. |
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| 22:23.37 | FullPolarFox | Hello1 I wanna summer |
| 22:24.47 | FullPolarFox | I wanna sleep |
| 22:24.59 | FullPolarFox | What do you want? |
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| 22:25.51 | FullPolarFox | Debian - takoj debian |
| 22:26.35 | icebrain | !offtopic |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 22:26.59 | abrotman | FullPolarFox: do you have a Debian question ? |
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| 22:27.04 | FullPolarFox | icebrain is channel busy? |
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| 22:27.32 | FullPolarFox | abrotman yes!!!! do you like swimming and were? |
| 22:28.02 | abrotman | FullPolarFox: please use #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:28.28 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 22:28.58 | FullPolarFox | abrotman no!! there is a lot of troll.. I scared by them |
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| 22:29.10 | Nebukadneza | after installing kdebase-bin 4.3.4 (and thus upgrading the rest of my kde installation) suddenly i don't have a /usr/bin/khotkeys binary anymore ... huh? |
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| 22:29.15 | Number5 | icebrain, thnx, and what about gnash? Could that be a solution too? |
| 22:29.21 | Number5 | with Iceweasel? |
| 22:29.25 | abrotman | FullPolarFox: you've been silenced for being offtopic, try #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 22:29.44 | icebrain | Number5: possibly, but I've never tried it, so I don't know how well it works |
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| 22:30.45 | Number5 | well, before I try your greasemonkey scripts, I'll try that first |
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| 22:31.29 | icebrain | Number5: sure! but the scripts aren't mine, they're from VÃctor Pimentel :) |
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| 22:34.50 | DetroitLibertyPe | master das boot record? |
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| 22:41.09 | \amethyst | tr -dc '[0-9A-Za-z]' | grep . |
| 22:41.10 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 22:42.32 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:43.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | hello agiofws |
| 22:43.04 | Agiofws | how can see in a stamp date form what been installed lately through my repo ? |
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| 22:45.44 | wols_ | Agiofws: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:53.32 | hellyeah | any change on XF86Config effect the visual effect on desktop |
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| 22:54.36 | hellyeah | squeeze doesnt have xorg file |
| 22:55.15 | adb | !xorg.conf |
| 22:55.15 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
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| 22:57.31 | hellyeah | how to generaTE xorg.conf on debian squeeze |
| 22:58.16 | Agiofws | wols_, thank you friend ... |
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| 23:00.33 | hellyeah | hey |
| 23:00.36 | hellyeah | i need help |
| 23:00.50 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:00.54 | Agiofws | how do i find files that are dated 25-01-2010 on a system ? |
| 23:01.15 | Titan8990 | Agiofws: created date? |
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| 23:01.35 | Agiofws | well i'd like from that date and onward ? |
| 23:02.29 | Phil | Agiofws, mactime and mac-robber |
| 23:02.40 | Phil | part of the sleuthkit, iirc |
| 23:02.43 | Agiofws | ? |
| 23:02.43 | hellyeah | i just woder how i can generate xorg.conf in debian squeeze |
| 23:03.20 | Phil | Agiofws, sleuthkit package |
| 23:03.47 | juhaj | Agiofws: Try find -ctime -43 |
| 23:04.31 | juhaj | What's wrong with dbus, when it does not manage to restart itself on upgrades? How do I fix it? |
| 23:04.31 | Titan8990 | Agiofws: find / -newerbt 25-01-2010 |
| 23:04.35 | Titan8990 | Agiofws: untested |
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| 23:04.52 | Agiofws | -newerbt ? |
| 23:04.53 | Titan8990 | Agiofws: find / -newerBt 25-01-2010 |
| 23:05.22 | Agiofws | find: This system does not provide a way to find the birth time of a file. |
| 23:05.24 | Agiofws | find: invalid predicate `-newerBt' |
| 23:05.26 | juhaj | Oops... I missed -newerBt |
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| 23:06.21 | juhaj | Agiofws: Try -newermt then |
| 23:06.52 | Agiofws | maybe its better to find file of type ? |
| 23:06.54 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$file myruns |
| 23:06.56 | Agiofws | myruns: XML document text |
| 23:06.57 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 23:08.31 | PXcw | Why I wget software speed is very low but the speed is very high with Firefox |
| 23:08.38 | PXcw | Why I wget software speed is very low but the speed is very high with Firefox |
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| 23:08.49 | Titan8990 | Agiofws: no, try mt, if it doesn't work, ask #bash |
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| 23:09.40 | juhaj | Agiofws: find -ctime -43 will find what you want whether -newermt or -newerBt work or not. It is just a pita to figure out the 43 if the date is any further in the past |
| 23:09.46 | perterpann | hi i really need some help asap :) |
| 23:09.58 | perterpann | just installed debian 5.04 |
| 23:10.10 | Rienzilla | congratulations! :) |
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| 23:11.02 | PXcw | Why I wget software speed is very low but the speed is very high with Firefox |
| 23:11.03 | PXcw | Why I wget software speed is very low but the speed is very high with Firefox |
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| 23:11.10 | perterpann | i installed it on my macmini g4, i want to use it as a server so far proftpd runs smoothly after boot i disabled the password login so that automatically my normal user "dome" logs in |
| 23:11.52 | perterpann | no i need to mount a network share after boot, so i wrote into fstab: |
| 23:12.04 | Titan8990 | PXcw: http pipelinning maybe? |
| 23:12.28 | perterpann | #//192.168.0.1/Elements /mnt/elements /sbin/mount.cifs user=guest,password=1234 |
| 23:12.35 | perterpann | without the # of course |
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| 23:13.02 | Rienzilla | uhm |
| 23:13.08 | perterpann | but the problem is that only root can mount this but i need my macmini to mount it directly after boot |
| 23:13.08 | Rienzilla | /sbin/mount.cifs makes no sense |
| 23:13.12 | Rienzilla | I think |
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| 23:13.31 | perterpann | the mount works but only as root and thats the problem |
| 23:13.33 | PXcw | Titan8990 : what? |
| 23:13.45 | Titan8990 | perterpann: "users" option |
| 23:13.59 | Titan8990 | PXcw: maybe iceweasel is pipelinning and wget is not |
| 23:14.01 | PXcw | Titan8990. who to set it ? |
| 23:14.08 | perterpann | my linux know how is very limited |
| 23:14.24 | perterpann | who does this work with the users option ? |
| 23:14.26 | PXcw | Titan8990, who to configure it ? |
| 23:15.08 | Titan8990 | PXcw: maybe you would have better luck in a channel of your native language |
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| 23:15.37 | Titan8990 | perterpann: look at the users option |
| 23:15.38 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. I'm trying to make a deb package and one of the dependencies is python-setuptools but when I dpkg -i my package, it does not install that package. Any ideas why that might be so? |
| 23:16.03 | Titan8990 | Matic`Makovec: dpkg does not handle depends in that way |
| 23:16.19 | perterpann | 00:13] <perterpann> my linux know how is very limitedn[00:13] <perterpann> who does this work with the users option ? |
| 23:16.21 | Titan8990 | Matic`Makovec: if you were to install it with apt, it would pull in the needed depends |
| 23:16.24 | perterpann | Titan8990: i dont get it |
| 23:16.25 | Matic`Makovec | Right. It doesn't even stop the installation. |
| 23:16.27 | paranoid_pedlar | can someone pm me that understands apt-get well? thanks |
| 23:16.34 | Matic`Makovec | Titan8990, alright. Otherwise? |
| 23:16.48 | Matic`Makovec | How can I make it install python-setuptools? Is there a way? |
| 23:16.59 | Titan8990 | Matic`Makovec: dpkg should tell you that it failed depends and you can install it manually |
| 23:17.10 | Matic`Makovec | It doesn't. That's what bothers me |
| 23:17.26 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: no need to pm, ask your question, look at the topic |
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| 23:17.39 | PXcw | Titan8990 , Now that a month did not answer my. please help me . |
| 23:17.55 | paranoid_pedlar | apt-get wants me to remove 200mb of packages that are core to my system |
| 23:17.59 | Titan8990 | perterpann: `man mount`, look at the options "users" |
| 23:18.32 | Titan8990 | PXcw: i get the impression you are using google translate to communicate and it is rather difficult to understand |
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| 23:18.52 | paranoid_pedlar | all I did was uninstall evolution, f spot, empathy, transmission. there weren't many if any dependencies in synaptic |
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| 23:19.36 | OperaFan | is exim a plugin fit/form replacement for postfix? |
| 23:19.39 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: those are part of the desktop task. you have removed some of gnome |
| 23:19.50 | OperaFan | +function |
| 23:19.57 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: exim4 is a drop-in replacement for sendmail, and the default MTA for debian |
| 23:20.09 | perterpann | Titan8990: #//192.168.0.1/Elements /mnt/elements /sbin/mount.cifs users,user=guest,password=1234 |
| 23:20.13 | perterpann | right this way ? |
| 23:20.19 | Titan8990 | perterpann: yes |
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| 23:21.03 | paranoid_pedlar | Titan8990, how do I get apt-get to fix this |
| 23:21.31 | paranoid_pedlar | Titan8990, or what do I need to reinstall? |
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| 23:22.07 | perterpann | okay thx i'll try |
| 23:22.28 | OperaFan | I want to have a setup that includes dovecot TLS access for IMAP and secure SMTP. I'm hacked off with the complexity and crappy support for postfix, I think it may be easier to switch to something else... |
| 23:22.42 | Matic`Makovec | Titan8990, if I may bother you - if it doesn't complain about missing dependencies, what could be the reason for that? |
| 23:22.43 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: aptitude keep-all maybe |
| 23:23.08 | Titan8990 | Matic`Makovec: if it doesn't complain about missing depends then you probably don't have its depends set right in the debian/rules file |
| 23:23.16 | paranoid_pedlar | Titan8990, kewl :_) |
| 23:23.20 | Matic`Makovec | Titan8990, rules or control? |
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| 23:23.48 | Titan8990 | Matic`Makovec: ah, not exactly sure. the #debian-mentors channel on OFTC is specifically for packaging questions and they would know more |
| 23:23.58 | Matic`Makovec | Oh, cool. Thanks |
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| 23:24.34 | robbles | I'm having a problem building a certain package from Testing. First it doesn't seem to know about it's own dependencies, and when I manually install them, the package install successfully but is marked as Purge by apt. I might be doing something wrong: http://pastebin.com/94QJPQai |
| 23:24.37 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: SMTP in itself is *very* complex |
| 23:24.47 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: postfix is probably the least complex of them all, actually |
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| 23:25.14 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: that is, if you wanted a full-fledged MTA, otherwise ssmtp is really simple for relaying to a smart host |
| 23:25.32 | paranoid_pedlar | Titan8990, worked like a charm, thanks!!! |
| 23:25.35 | dutchfish | OperaFan: another option is to use postfix along Cyrus |
| 23:26.01 | Titan8990 | robbles: did you already check the BTS for that particular package? |
| 23:26.08 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: anytime |
| 23:26.18 | robbles | BTS = backports? |
| 23:26.22 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 23:26.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:26.31 | robbles | Oh, thanks, let me check |
| 23:26.34 | Titan8990 | robbles: aka squeeze/sid support :) |
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| 23:27.03 | robbles | I didn't have a problem with vzdump when installed as vzdump/testing |
| 23:27.07 | robbles | but I'll check |
| 23:27.25 | OperaFan | I just want to collect mail from my ISP (directly via SMTP), block a few addresses that get spammed, eveverything else to a default mailbox, deliver it to dovecot (via spam assassin) and I want to be able to connect from my HTC and send mail too (securely TLS) |
| 23:27.29 | Titan8990 | robbles: yes, but it should also track bugs such as not pulling in needed depends |
| 23:27.41 | robbles | Titan8990: No reports found |
| 23:28.21 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: then you just need something like ssmtp that can relay from a smart host. use procmail and fetchmail to grab it from your ISPs server and store it locally. atleast, that is what I would do |
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| 23:28.38 | dutchfish | OperaFan: in that case you should delve into amavisd-new |
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| 23:29.02 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: If you are in the U.S. on a non-business internet line, I would be willing to be a) SMTP servers are against there ToU b) they do blocking/filtering on port 25 |
| 23:29.13 | Titan8990 | s/there/their |
| 23:30.03 | Titan8990 | robbles: it might be worth reporting. have you ever used `reportbug`? |
| 23:30.30 | PXcw | why speed of apt-get and aptuide is very low. but when i downloading from firefox speed is very high ? |
| 23:30.56 | paranoid_pedlar | is there a gui program for edit grub |
| 23:30.56 | Titan8990 | PXcw: earlier you were asking about wget... |
| 23:30.57 | robbles | Titan8990: I will try it out |
| 23:31.03 | robbles | thank you |
| 23:31.33 | Titan8990 | robbles: it will only work if your MTA on the system is configured to send mail (i.e. you can send mail via the `mail` command) |
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| 23:31.40 | AirbournE | evening |
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| 23:31.41 | Titan8990 | robbles: otherwise you have to fill it out manually |
| 23:31.51 | robbles | Titan8990: Oops, then I'll have to do it manually |
| 23:32.12 | robbles | Titan8990: in the meantime is there any way to mark the pkg as not-purge? It seems to work fine |
| 23:32.33 | AirbournE | i have a problem since i enabled ipv6 on my interface, apt takes loooong time when getting packages from security.debian.org, it times out all the time: 94% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:610:1908:a000::149:225)] |
| 23:32.43 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: uhh, a gui text editor. You should note in debian you *should not* edit uncommented sections of menu.lst |
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| 23:32.57 | OperaFan | Titan8990: my ISP should be fine, I have had my mx records changed, and been collecting mail directly from my ISP for about 6 months using postfix, however recent problems with it not rejecting blacklisted addresses in my virtualusers table, tonnes of ancient and conflicting documentation, and crappy attitude on #postfix to what should be a trivial problem for someone experienced has made me look for something else. |
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| 23:33.00 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: edit the commented sections (do not uncomment) and then run `update-grub` |
| 23:33.18 | AirbournE | is there something wrong with my config, or is it the securty server not accepting ipv6 connections despite having an AAAA zone? |
| 23:33.44 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: a lot of times mailing lists can be more friendly |
| 23:33.44 | paranoid_pedlar | thanks Titan8990 |
| 23:34.33 | OperaFan | amavisd-new could be a problem, it's a resource hog apparently, and this is an embedded SheevaPlug. I did look at it initally and ruled it out.. |
| 23:34.52 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: are you running debian or emdebian? |
| 23:35.09 | OperaFan | debian, but a Sheevaplug build of Squeeze |
| 23:35.16 | dutchfish | OperaFan: true, but any mailfiltering antispam solution use cycles, by alot |
| 23:35.24 | OperaFan | console only, light(ish) ~ 300MB |
| 23:35.35 | PXcw | why speed of apt-get and aptuide is very low. but when i downloading from firefox speed is very high ? |
| 23:35.40 | PXcw | why speed of apt-get and aptuide is very low. but when i downloading from firefox speed is very high ? |
| 23:35.41 | OperaFan | in internal NAND |
| 23:36.24 | Armageddon | PXcw, try another server |
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| 23:39.02 | dutchfish | OperaFan: milter is another option, https://www.milter.org/ |
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| 23:39.35 | Titan8990 | dutchfish: interesting, i though milter was only a sendmail thing |
| 23:39.39 | Titan8990 | thought |
| 23:39.57 | dutchfish | Titan8990: ;) |
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| 23:40.40 | dutchfish | OperaFan: also it has a smaller footprint, i doubt that it will use less cycles |
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| 23:42.21 | dutchfish | OperaFan: in my own humble opinion postfix, courier/Cyrus and amavisd-new are my favorites |
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| 23:44.40 | dutchfish | OperaFan: at a start postfix can amke you pull some hairs, but what jumpstarted me was buying a good book and carefull planning |
| 23:44.47 | dutchfish | s/amke/make |
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| 23:45.11 | Armageddon | part #Debian |
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| 23:45.38 | OperaFan | It seems riducukously complicated if you want to do more than one thing with incoming mail. You can direct it through spam assassin OR clamAV, but to do both means nasty cludges |
| 23:46.07 | dutchfish | OperaFan: it really isnt, once you get yourself comfortable with it |
| 23:46.20 | OperaFan | It's been running for 6 months here, but the support problem is making me look elsewhere. |
| 23:46.43 | PXcw | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.57 | dutchfish | OperaFan: i have maintained postfix for over 5 years, never ever had real problems at least not on debian |
| 23:47.00 | OperaFan | I look as the master.cf and wonder what animal could come up with that.... |
| 23:47.00 | SlapChopVince | PXcw: try a different mirror? |
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| 23:47.28 | Titan8990 | SlapChopVince: don't waste your time, he has been told something a couple times, he doesn't follow up and just continues to spam the same question |
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| 23:47.46 | Titan8990 | SlapChopVince: also, he doesn't speak english very well |
| 23:47.53 | SlapChopVince | i'm on #debian |
| 23:47.57 | SlapChopVince | i have time to waste obv |
| 23:47.58 | SlapChopVince | lol |
| 23:48.04 | Titan8990 | hehe |
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| 23:49.00 | dutchfish | OperaFan: do yourself a favor and buy 'The postfix book' Ralf Hildebrandt and patrick Koetter, and good luck |
| 23:49.27 | Titan8990 | is not a postfix user but still suggests trying their mailing list |
| 23:49.41 | dutchfish | Titan8990: yep |
| 23:49.44 | SlapChopVince | also enjoys the third person |
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| 23:49.52 | OperaFan | buying books is rather overkill for a home mail server with one user, that to me suggests something is over complicated, or postfix is not for me or my application |
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| 23:50.14 | petemc | OperaFan: no one ever said mail servers were easy |
| 23:50.18 | SlapChopVince | postfix is a monster if you're just beginning |
| 23:50.22 | SlapChopVince | a horrible monster |
| 23:50.28 | SlapChopVince | but it can be tamed |
| 23:50.32 | dutchfish | OperaFan: why run a full blown mail solution at home, that's [bad word] |
| 23:50.38 | SlapChopVince | ^ |
| 23:51.16 | SlapChopVince | s/\[bad\ word]/wack\ man/ |
| 23:51.24 | dutchfish | ty |
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| 23:51.34 | SlapChopVince | use gmail like the rest of the world |
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| 23:53.10 | o2T7 | There's no problem on running your own mail server. Specially when you own some domain names |
| 23:53.12 | paranoid_pedlar | thanks Titan8990 , I need to mount an ntfs partition. I can't do it for some reason. any idea? |
| 23:53.34 | paranoid_pedlar | I have mountmanager, mount at boot. still, I can't mount |
| 23:53.50 | macrobat | paranoid_pedlar: install ntfs-3g |
| 23:53.54 | OperaFan | becausemy ISP limits the size of my IMAP mailbox, and collecting POP3 means mail is on one location, and unavilable on my HTC or laptop. I want a "everywhere" solution. If I send an email from one device, I want it in the sent my everywhere. |
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| 23:54.12 | OperaFan | Their spam solution sucks too... |
| 23:54.31 | SlapChopVince | no gmail app for your htc? |
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| 23:54.42 | SlapChopVince | :3 |
| 23:54.44 | paranoid_pedlar | it's installed macrobat |
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| 23:55.40 | paranoid_pedlar | i never had trouble before, the only thing I can think of is that my home partition is encrypted when I log out |
| 23:55.53 | macrobat | ok |
| 23:56.05 | paranoid_pedlar | macrobat, not sure what to do |
| 23:56.20 | PXcw | SlapChopVince. i tested it . Speed as the package is very high in Firefox |
| 23:56.29 | OperaFan | I would stick with postfix, as it's late, but I can't get this damn virtualusers table working anymore.... |
| 23:56.29 | PXcw | SlapChopVince. i tested it . Speed as the package is very high in Firefox |
| 23:56.41 | macrobat | idk, if you mount at boot, maybe not all the things you need are loaded yet |
| 23:56.55 | macrobat | paranoid_pedlar: can you mount manually? |
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| 23:57.07 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: I recommend against using your ISP as your primary email... what happens when you move and need a new ISP? |
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| 23:57.39 | paranoid_pedlar | macrobat, mkdir /mnt/MEDIA mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/MEDIA. is that right? |
| 23:57.40 | OperaFan | then I pick up mail froma different host and store it locally. |
| 23:58.03 | OperaFan | I have a domain name that I will transfer.. |
| 23:58.29 | SlapChopVince | PXcw: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda3 /mnt/MEDIA |
| 23:58.30 | SlapChopVince | er |
| 23:58.34 | SlapChopVince | paranoid_pedlar: ^^ |
| 23:59.12 | SlapChopVince | you need to specify fstype as -t |
| 23:59.27 | paranoid_pedlar | no way!!! SlapChopVince haha, we joke all the time about that guy. you're awesome |
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