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| 00:01.13 | GPenguin | hi guys. i did "ssh-keygen" for root and user. after i put id_rsa.pub on the remote machine in authorized_keys the AUTH works for the user but root gets permission denied. any hints, please? |
| 00:02.21 | azeem_ | GPenguin: check "PermitRootLogin" in the server config |
| 00:02.23 | robbles | GPenguin: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for "PermitRootLogin" |
| 00:02.32 | GPenguin | that is set to "yes" |
| 00:02.51 | robbles | checked /var/log/auth for clues? |
| 00:03.04 | robbles | *auth.log |
| 00:03.23 | GPenguin | there is only "permission denied" on the local client, no hint in logs nor when i ssh -vvv |
| 00:03.26 | robbles | did you restart ssh after changing it's config?? |
| 00:03.32 | paranoid_pedlar | SlapChopVince, http://pastebin.com/a1bB05t2 |
| 00:03.39 | GPenguin | yes, as i said its working for the normal user |
| 00:04.00 | GPenguin | just not for root, although ~/.ssh/ is identical |
| 00:04.07 | robbles | well you want to look at the server log, not the client log |
| 00:04.18 | GPenguin | dude, i am not stupid |
| 00:04.28 | GPenguin | but auth.log and syslog contain NOTHING |
| 00:04.35 | robbles | try changing LogLevel to DEBUG |
| 00:04.43 | Titan8990 | GPenguin: do you have a syslog daemon installed on the server? |
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| 00:06.02 | Titan8990 | typically, rsyslog with the default configuration will split all authorization attempts to auth.log |
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| 00:06.36 | Titan8990 | but if you are running a different distro, the default config could be different and it might all be going to /var/log/messages |
| 00:06.55 | GPenguin | bad ownership or modes, hmmm |
| 00:07.28 | PXcw | SlapChopVince , This was not my answer |
| 00:08.12 | paranoid_pedlar | he knows PXcw |
| 00:08.20 | paranoid_pedlar | it was mine :D |
| 00:08.21 | Titan8990 | GPenguin: check the permissions on the ~/.ssh directory and included files. the first google hit for "public key auth" should describe the needed permissions |
| 00:08.36 | GPenguin | for a f.'ed up reason the owner of /root/.ssh is "700" and not "root |
| 00:08.38 | GPenguin | oh my ... |
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| 00:09.42 | paranoid_pedlar | can anyone help me mount my ntfs partition? |
| 00:09.43 | somosparky | someone doesn't know how to chown :) |
| 00:09.48 | PXcw | SlapChopVince. i tested another miror . Speed as the package is very high in Firefox |
| 00:10.20 | Titan8990 | GPenguin: 700 is correct, ownership is not... but you probably already figured that out |
| 00:10.59 | GPenguin | its working, thanks a lot guys! |
| 00:11.03 | GPenguin | debian++ |
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| 00:11.32 | Titan8990 | !next |
| 00:11.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:11.48 | somosparky | ha |
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| 00:12.12 | robbles | Titan8990: filing a bug report now. Do you think I should add a "Source: vzdump" header instead of "Package: vzdump" ? |
| 00:12.54 | paranoid_pedlar | here's the pastebin if someone wants to look http://pastebin.com/a1bB05t2 |
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| 00:13.52 | Titan8990 | robbles: shouldn't matter, will be the same maintainer either wayy |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: it tells you what to do |
| 00:14.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:14.30 | robbles | Titan8990: thanks very much |
| 00:14.35 | paranoid_pedlar | abrotman, I don't have a boot option for windows |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 00:14.52 | Titan8990 | paranoid_pedlar: yes, that is a very clear and descriptive error message |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: what does 'uname -r' return ? |
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| 00:15.28 | Titan8990 | guesses .32 |
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| 00:15.54 | SlapChopVince | .32 works fine with ntfs |
| 00:15.56 | SlapChopVince | runs .32 |
| 00:16.03 | paranoid_pedlar | abrotman, it's from experience that it's been automatically entered. that's why I wanted to mount it, grab my stuff, then format and run linux full time. I'll check that out |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | and he avoids the question ... |
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| 00:17.01 | SlapChopVince | paranoid_pedlar: you need to run chkdsk /f in windaes |
| 00:17.13 | SlapChopVince | then shut down cleanly and start up cleanly in windows |
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| 00:17.17 | SlapChopVince | then shut down cleanly again |
| 00:17.22 | SlapChopVince | just as it says in your error |
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| 00:18.03 | paranoid_pedlar | abrotman, 2.6.31-20-generic |
| 00:18.11 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: go to #ubuntu for support, have a nice day |
| 00:18.18 | SlapChopVince | hehehe |
| 00:18.26 | paranoid_pedlar | oh wait, I have a hirens boot cd, I can do a checkdsk with that |
| 00:18.40 | SlapChopVince | not an ntfs friendly one |
| 00:18.45 | SlapChopVince | also you need to reboot cleanly |
| 00:18.53 | Artanis^ | Hi guys. |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | SlapChopVince: go to #ubuntu if you want to help him |
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| 00:19.04 | SlapChopVince | hahaha touche |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 00:19.17 | paranoid_pedlar | abrotman, are you kicking me? and I'm not an ubuntu user, it's superos |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: it's not Debian .. not our problem, go away |
| 00:19.35 | SlapChopVince | abrotman: it is funny... |
| 00:19.45 | SlapChopVince | you may not have meant it to be |
| 00:19.46 | SlapChopVince | but it was |
| 00:20.06 | Artanis^ | I'm going too do a rather simple firewall with 3 legs. 2 production networks that never must be able too cross talk and one backup network. But iptables is really killing me. You guys got a recomandation for me ? |
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| 00:20.07 | paranoid_pedlar | it's not racism? |
| 00:20.15 | Titan8990 | Super OS (formerly: Super Ubuntu) is just a modified version of Ubuntu 9.10 (see: Super OS and Ubuntu) with the goal of making it more usable and trying to remain compatible with Ubuntu. |
| 00:20.16 | somosparky | ha |
| 00:20.31 | SlapChopVince | dear god |
| 00:20.32 | paranoid_pedlar | plus, you guys are quicker than ubuntu |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: this channel is to support Debian .. not whatever you're running, you're offtopic here, please get support somewhere else |
| 00:20.37 | paranoid_pedlar | as in mind |
| 00:20.56 | paranoid_pedlar | okay, can I stay as long as I don't ask for support? |
| 00:21.16 | paranoid_pedlar | and give it if I can. you know like common tools that debian and ubuntu use? |
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| 00:21.33 | paranoid_pedlar | hmm how can ubuntu use debian tools if it's not debian? |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | go ask #ubuntu .. |
| 00:21.52 | SlapChopVince | they'll say thats a debian question |
| 00:22.18 | paranoid_pedlar | I'm done for the day anyway. but great help guys. you rock. smoke time |
| 00:22.28 | SlapChopVince | says debian twice, ubuntu once |
| 00:22.30 | SlapChopVince | therefore |
| 00:22.31 | SlapChopVince | debian |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | SlapChopVince: you're not helping |
| 00:22.43 | SlapChopVince | realizes |
| 00:23.13 | paranoid_pedlar | but really, it took me three hours to get something done in ubuntu channel, and less than a minute here, please don't make me go back |
| 00:23.19 | paranoid_pedlar | hehe |
| 00:23.29 | SlapChopVince | you want to really fix your problem? |
| 00:23.33 | SlapChopVince | install debian |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: go to #ubuntu .. stop doing that |
| 00:23.38 | SlapChopVince | remove superos |
| 00:23.39 | paranoid_pedlar | na it's cool, I understand guys |
| 00:23.43 | SlapChopVince | and replace it with lenny |
| 00:23.45 | abrotman | fucking god damn idiots that can't find #ubuntu ... |
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| 00:23.47 | paranoid_pedlar | no support questions I sware |
| 00:24.08 | abrotman | i don't know why they think it's okay to come here to ask questions .. |
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| 00:24.20 | abrotman | seriously some dumb people on the internet |
| 00:24.20 | SlapChopVince | because they know debian > ubuntu |
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| 00:24.35 | paranoid_pedlar | because you guys started it all, you must be more experienced and smarter. thats why I came here |
| 00:24.36 | abrotman | oh .. it's because of people like SlapChopVince |
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| 00:24.52 | abrotman | paranoid_pedlar: please go to #ubuntu for your support, have a nice day |
| 00:24.56 | SlapChopVince | people like me? |
| 00:25.10 | SlapChopVince | i don't run ubuntu |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | you're helping people here .. stop doing that |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | or "helping" |
| 00:25.55 | SlapChopVince | stop trolling me abrotman |
| 00:26.14 | SlapChopVince | you're not helping |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu to help ubuntu users .. don't keep spouting junk |
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| 00:26.43 | SlapChopVince | you've said the u word far more than anyone else |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | because you kept helping the guy .. |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | if you would have shut up when i told him to go, he would have just gone |
| 00:27.12 | SlapChopVince | yea but |
| 00:27.16 | SlapChopVince | thats not very nice |
| 00:27.26 | SlapChopVince | u mad? |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | this channel is not for ubuntu support .. end of discussion |
| 00:27.42 | Titan8990 | neither is having me think that I am supporting debian |
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| 00:28.05 | SlapChopVince | fair enough |
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| 00:28.26 | Artanis^ | If I may. If you do debian support. Can one be so kind and review my question? :) |
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| 00:29.00 | sepult | man i got my kernel recompiled and now artsd is gone |
| 00:29.06 | SlapChopVince | Artanis^: iptables is the way to go for that |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | Artanis^: for something like that, i'd say to ask #netfilter .. and check the netfilter.org documentation (they have a large number of samples) |
| 00:29.14 | jhutchins_lt | Artanis^: Hang on a sec... |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | Artanis^: also see http://lartc.org/ |
| 00:29.25 | Titan8990 | Artanis^: rather simple firewall? not debian, but I would recommend pfsense for an "easy" dedicated firewall box. |
| 00:29.57 | Artanis^ | abrotman, the reason why I did chose debian was that its supported under ESX. And that I have been running it for desktop before so know apt. |
| 00:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | Artanis^: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ will help |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | Artanis^: #netfilter is the channel for iptables help |
| 00:30.24 | docgnome | stupid question, i want to remove files who's names match a regexp, what can i do to do that? |
| 00:30.29 | jhutchins_lt | Artanis^: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html <- more in depth |
| 00:30.58 | mns | Artanis^: you could also try shorewall apt-cache show shorewall and there should be an URL from where to look at the documentation. |
| 00:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: Use the -delete function of find - but test it first by just having it list the names. |
| 00:31.08 | Artanis^ | Okay. Thanks for all you quick answers :) |
| 00:31.14 | Titan8990 | docgnome: if you can use a file pattern instead of regex, find can do it |
| 00:31.27 | docgnome | right, i've got a regexp :-) |
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| 00:31.58 | dondelelcaro | docgnome: find with -regex |
| 00:32.01 | Artanis^ | Guess my biggest problem here is that I do administration of ISA firewalls. Thats really messes up everything else for me :( |
| 00:32.25 | docgnome | dondelelcaro: ah. duh. thanks |
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| 00:49.29 | echosystm | hi guys, quick question - is there any reason it would be bad to chown /var/www/ under a user account? |
| 00:49.39 | echosystm | should i symlink it instead? |
| 00:50.05 | mns | echosystm: why do you want to do that ? |
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| 00:50.11 | echosystm | should i set apache to a folder in /home/user? |
| 00:50.19 | echosystm | well, at the moment only root can write to the folder |
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| 00:50.40 | abrotman | echosystm: you could set the DocumentRoot to somewhere else if that's really whhat you want |
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| 00:51.06 | echosystm | whats the "normal way" of doing something like this? |
| 00:51.21 | echosystm | im just setting up a wiki for our internal network |
| 00:51.38 | echosystm | i dont want to have to login as root just to install the wiki etc. |
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| 00:52.28 | mns | echosystm: do what abrotman is suggesting then. setup Apache so that the DocumentRoot or such points to a directory you control as a normal user. |
| 00:52.45 | mns | echosystm: which wiki software are you intalling ? |
| 00:52.46 | echosystm | ok no worries |
| 00:52.51 | echosystm | mediawiki |
| 00:53.03 | abrotman | isn't that already packaged ? |
| 00:53.12 | echosystm | i have no idea |
| 00:53.12 | robbles | I would chmod g+rwx /var/www, add the group to your user account(s), and use setfacl |
| 00:53.16 | robbles | i.e. setfacl -d -m "g:www-data:rwx" |
| 00:53.43 | robbles | sorry, I meant chmod g+rwxs |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | judd: versions mediawiki |
| 00:53.45 | judd | mediawiki -- etch: 1:1.7; etch-backports: 1:1.12.0-2lenny3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.12.0-2lenny3; lenny-security: 1:1.12.0-2lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:1.15.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.15.1-1; squeeze: 1:1.15.1-1 |
| 00:53.55 | echosystm | i was just going to download it off the internet |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | echosystm: so if you install the package .. it will setup an apache Alias |
| 00:54.05 | mns | echosystm: mediawiki is packaged in debian, so just do aptitude install for it and see what it tells you to do. |
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| 00:54.27 | echosystm | okie doke |
| 00:54.28 | echosystm | brb |
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| 01:00.39 | aarkerio | hi! |
| 01:00.52 | aarkerio | how can I install Xgl on squeeze? |
| 01:01.49 | micols | can squid be used to redirect i.e. "shortname" to url.com ? |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | aarkerio: xgl is dead IIRC |
| 01:02.19 | micols | like a hosts file can do this, or apache mod_rewrite can do it |
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| 01:08.27 | dansushi | aarkerio: you could try compiz |
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| 01:09.16 | aarkerio | thx! |
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| 01:09.52 | userrlc | is xHCI is present into debian 2.6.32 kernel ? |
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| 01:10.10 | abrotman | userrlc: do you know the config option ? |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | $ grep -i xhci /boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=m |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set |
| 01:10.54 | themill | , kconfig xhci --release sid |
| 01:10.54 | Titan8990 | a-atwood: actually AIGLX has replaced XGL |
| 01:10.55 | judd | Searching for 'xhci' in sid kernel config gives USB_XHCI_HCD=m. |
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| 01:11.14 | Titan8990 | tab complete fail |
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| 01:12.54 | abrotman | themill: i win! |
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| 01:13.13 | themill | lies! |
| 01:15.14 | userrlc | abrotman, i'm still looking for usb super speed support and find this page http://sarah.thesharps.us/2009-06-09-13-30.cherry according to it, there's an kernel module xhci that I can't load with debian testing kernel |
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| 01:15.41 | abrotman | userrlc: oh you're the guy with the unsupported usb3.0 thingie |
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| 01:17.11 | userrlc | abrotman, I think that the expresscard super speed usb doesn't work due to the lack of xhci kernel module into debian testing |
| 01:18.11 | Titan8990 | userrlc: are you in testing? `modprobe -l | grep -i 'xhci'` |
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| 01:19.25 | userrlc | Titan8990, yes I'm, modprobe -l return no line for xhci |
| 01:20.00 | userrlc | it's a 2.6.32 kernel and I thought that xhci was added since 2.6.31 |
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| 01:20.58 | abrotman | userrlc: the stuff ipasted above was from testing |
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| 01:23.00 | userrlc | abrotman, yes but it's the trunk one, and I see that pciehp detect my expresscard with 2.6.32 but not with 2.6.32-trunk kernel .... |
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| 01:24.57 | userrlc | I'll check trunk kernel again and bbs |
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| 01:31.20 | o2T7 | Which factors does the limit of vm depend on? phisical RAM and swap space? |
| 01:31.53 | echosystm | how can i allow my computers on the network to access my server by hostname? i dont want to have to set up static hosts entries |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | samba |
| 01:32.18 | Zharf | o.O |
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| 01:33.09 | echosystm | hm |
| 01:33.17 | echosystm | i wonder if my router will let me do it |
| 01:33.19 | userrlc | abrotman, great :) my super speed sub controller is working now :) |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | yay |
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| 01:34.38 | userrlc | abrotman, in fact for such device module are not loaded into kernel so I have to do it manualy : pciehp+xhci was the solution :) |
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| 01:40.22 | somosparky | yee haaaa |
| 01:40.33 | somosparky | just fixed a hell of an issue on an old Debian Sarge box |
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| 01:40.35 | sidit | running sid and having trouble compiling emelfm2. |
| 01:40.36 | somosparky | i feel great |
| 01:41.52 | sidit | emelfm2docs say that it requires GCC3,2. isthis where im having trouble? |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | sidit: that's pretty old |
| 01:43.12 | sidit | yeah |
| 01:43.32 | sidit | any hints other thab find a new file manager? |
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| 01:49.34 | DeathWolf | hello all, I have just installed pure-ftpd and set it to run as standalone in /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common, however the ftp never starts... strace'ing show it exiting very fast after starting. It does not output any errors to stdout or stderr. |
| 01:50.43 | peterrooney | DeathWolf: checked /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 01:51.42 | DeathWolf | Doh, I was tailing on syslog.0 |
| 01:52.56 | peterrooney | DeathWolf: at least you're on the right track! |
| 01:53.42 | DeathWolf | Well yeah... problem figured now that I tail'ed the right file. I need to stop fixing stuff late at night. Thanks. |
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| 02:20.47 | o2T7 | mmm, I set vm.swappiness to 10, then start some process (zoneminder montage view of up to 20 cameras at 320x240 resolution and 10fps) and there we go. Memory: 1.6G/2.0G. Commited virtual memory: 4.4G/2.9G |
| 02:21.02 | o2T7 | How could I reduce the commited virtual memory? |
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| 02:33.04 | stantheman | how can i specify a particular package to build when the source package builds multiple packages? |
| 02:33.35 | hayleyw | stantheman, you dont. you just build them all |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | you could alter the rules file to change what it creates (may or may not cause issues) .. but unless it's something large, i'd probably let it build them all |
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| 02:38.21 | stantheman | argh.. |
| 02:38.35 | stantheman | i was hoping it was a hidden option to dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 02:45.22 | nsadmin | I want to ask the following specific question of people running fail2ban on lenny: is there any problems with logging? under etch, the logging stops after a short time (for me) |
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| 02:47.09 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: fail2ban is a cheap hack. |
| 02:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | ip throttling is more robust. |
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| 02:48.27 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: so fail2ban adds rules to iptables for awhile when they fail to auth... correct? |
| 02:48.39 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
| 02:49.11 | nsadmin | and it could throttle instead of doing that I suppose? |
| 02:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | I guess, I've only dealt with it peripherally. |
| 02:49.47 | nsadmin | ok, what would I need to know in order to accomplish throttling? and what new things might it get me? |
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| 02:52.58 | nsadmin | (is there a lenny package or even an etch package that does throttling, and is throttling a simple one-way structure like a single command or is it more like a language in which families of problems can be solved? |
| 02:53.14 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 02:56.29 | karlpinc | nsadmin: shorewall |
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| 02:56.55 | nsadmin | karlpinc thanks! I'll look into it |
| 02:58.16 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You could use iptables directly, and usually I prefer the low-level tools, but in the case of iptables shorewall is handy. |
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| 02:59.00 | nsadmin | and is it mainly to perform similar action to fail2ban, or is it more general? |
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| 03:00.45 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You can descend into anything iptables/netfilter will do so it's a generalized network traffic frobber. |
| 03:00.49 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: i honestly do things using iptables, sometimes mod-throttle, and sometimes tc. really drprnfd |
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| 03:00.54 | dondelelcaro | er, depends. |
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| 03:01.25 | robbles | nsadmin: http://www.shorewall.net/Actions.html#Limit |
| 03:01.51 | dondelelcaro | personally prefers ferm to shorewall, too |
| 03:02.38 | nsadmin | but this would be something of a daemon which responds to an external action (in this case failed auth count > N from ip I adds rule to iptables and adds code to wait T seconds and then remove rule) |
| 03:02.44 | nsadmin | right? |
| 03:02.44 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Good to know. I try to work in pf, but that's not linux. |
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| 03:03.01 | nsadmin | and you would have to code that at least to some degree? |
| 03:03.45 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: if you want to count failed auths, use fail2ban |
| 03:04.15 | nsadmin | if that's the case, my original question comes to the front :) |
| 03:04.36 | nsadmin | I want to ask the following specific question of people running fail2ban on lenny: is there any problems with logging? under etch, the logging stops after a short time (for me) |
| 03:04.37 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: what's the original question? |
| 03:05.01 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: haven't had a problem like that on etch or lenny |
| 03:05.35 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, and I appreciate your responses so far |
| 03:06.26 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: np |
| 03:06.29 | nsadmin | and you're using the package untweaked? |
| 03:06.32 | hayleyw | nsadmin, i use fail2ban on all my servers. no problems |
| 03:06.47 | robbles | nsadmin: you might want to try sshguard if you can't fix fail2ban |
| 03:06.59 | robbles | appears to have similar functionality |
| 03:07.05 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: right |
| 03:07.30 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: it logs through syslog, so it should be ok. |
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| 03:07.52 | nsadmin | not saying I can't fix it, apparantly it's my local issue (since at least two of you say there isn't a problem |
| 03:07.55 | adb | i get 'grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot', that's in chroot , how to menage to have a 'device' for grub-install ? |
| 03:08.05 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: I did have a problem occassionally in etch with fail2ban failing; I backported the lenny version a while ago for it... |
| 03:08.19 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 03:08.24 | dondelelcaro | adb: bind mount /dev or similar |
| 03:08.57 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.58 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: but that was only on some kvm machines with other wierdness |
| 03:09.01 | nsadmin | failing how? do you happen to recall? if you filed a bug report I'd be happy to read that instead of having you try to remember here |
| 03:09.15 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: it deadlocked, iirc. |
| 03:09.37 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: wasn't wotrth reporting since I couldn't replicate it and a backport fixed it. |
| 03:09.44 | karlpinc | I've had the thought that swatch with iptables/the limit module/etc. some scripting, and a centralized log host. That would eliminate false positives and keep you from accidently locking yourself out. |
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| 03:10.38 | dondelelcaro | has enough severs that he can always unlock himself or just wait 10 minutes |
| 03:11.20 | nsadmin | Package: fail2ban Version: 0.7.5-2etch1 |
| 03:11.31 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Yah. I want to redirect the bad boys to a box that uses the pam fail module and let them play forever until they get tired and go away. |
| 03:11.38 | nsadmin | , versions fail2ban |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | nsadmin: why are you still using etch ? |
| 03:11.39 | judd | fail2ban -- etch: 0.7.5-2etch1; etch-security: 0.7.5-2etch1; etch-backports: 0.8.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1; sid: 0.8.4-2; squeeze: 0.8.4-2 |
| 03:12.06 | abrotman | wonders if the dpkg bug today affected affected etch |
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| 03:12.38 | nsadmin | abrotman: old clunky amd-380mhz machine, dunno if it would run |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes, it would be fine |
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| 03:13.55 | nsadmin | Sememmon: 776940 total |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | and? |
| 03:14.17 | nsadmin | that enough ram? |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | 768MB ? |
| 03:14.33 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 03:14.39 | abrotman | it's fine .. way more than enough |
| 03:15.12 | nsadmin | I'll see about upgrading kernel, if that works, will go from there |
| 03:16.43 | nsadmin | needs to figure out if this fail2ban thing is working and just not logging, or overall not working |
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| 03:17.46 | abrotman | nsadmin: iptables -L ? |
| 03:17.56 | nsadmin | would you like to see that? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | no, i'm telling you to look |
| 03:18.43 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 03:18.55 | karlpinc | abrotman: Isn't -L -v more "the right thing"? |
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| 03:21.08 | Sememmon | bonks nsadmin |
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| 03:23.57 | nsadmin | Sememmon: my stupid irc client is automatically substituting nicks and this time it did a substring (not leftmost) kinda weird... |
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| 03:24.46 | nsadmin | it was a small piece of the output from free |
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| 03:28.32 | ryan__ | can you can a user to multiple groups? |
| 03:28.47 | nsadmin | I can can! |
| 03:28.52 | tabris|away | karlpinc: you forgot -n |
| 03:28.57 | ryan__ | add* lol |
| 03:29.23 | o2T7 | Again, I lowered vm.swappiness to 10, raised kernel.shmall and kernel shmmax, but still the system is using only 1.6G/2.0G RAM but overcommittin virtual memory: 4.4G/2.9G. Anyone knows where could be the problem? |
| 03:29.28 | nsadmin | yes. there's some explanation in the members package |
| 03:29.35 | nsadmin | , versions members |
| 03:29.37 | judd | members -- etch: 19990831-5; lenny: 20080128-4; sid: 20080128-5; squeeze: 20080128-5 |
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| 03:37.15 | nsadmin | hmm, not much explanation there after all |
| 03:37.38 | nsadmin | ryan__ so there are two ways you can be a member of a group |
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| 03:38.47 | nsadmin | one way, is the primary group. by this mechanism you can only be in one group, it's the group in your entry in the /etc/passwd file |
| 03:39.51 | nsadmin | the other way, is secondary groups; you can be a member of any number of groups by this mechanism; your user name is stored in the /etc/group file on the line for the group of which you're a member |
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| 03:42.10 | lazy | may i ask some question for lvs/tun here? |
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| 03:42.24 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 03:42.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:42.31 | ryan__ | im chrooting sftp users but can only do it in /home/username, how can I get it to another drive instead? |
| 03:42.54 | ryan__ | seems to break when ever I put it on another drive like /mnt/sda3/username |
| 03:43.04 | somosparky | perms? |
| 03:43.06 | nsadmin | ryan__: did you understand all that? |
| 03:43.27 | ryan__ | yeno |
| 03:43.35 | nsadmin | ryan__: define precisely/exactly "break" |
| 03:43.43 | ryan__ | no go |
| 03:43.46 | ryan__ | :D |
| 03:44.07 | lazy | ok,on my dr/vip server has a nic eth0 and ip is 222.123.123.1 and vip is 123.111.111.2 |
| 03:44.11 | somosparky | ryan |
| 03:44.17 | somosparky | paste the output of ssh in verbose mode |
| 03:44.19 | Pikratos | Hi |
| 03:44.27 | lazy | i setup ipvsadm like this |
| 03:44.30 | nsadmin | cmon, I don't have time if you're not willing to be cooperative in your own help |
| 03:44.41 | ryan__ | ill "sftp username@localhost" to test it when I move the chroot directory to another drive but it'll give me "Connection reset by peer" |
| 03:44.50 | somosparky | ssh -v |
| 03:44.54 | ryan__ | oh ok one sec |
| 03:45.05 | lazy | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:45.23 | lazy | ipvsadm -A -t 123.111.111.2 -s rr |
| 03:46.13 | lazy | ipvsadm -t -a 123.111.111.2:80 -r 234.111.111.3 -i |
| 03:46.19 | lazy | ipvsadmin |
| 03:46.29 | lazy | and setup rip like this |
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| 03:46.52 | lazy | ifconfig eth0 234.111.111.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 03:46.58 | lazy | modprobe ipip |
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| 03:47.32 | ryan__ | http://pastebin.org/109238 |
| 03:47.32 | lazy | ifconfig tunl0 123.111.111.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 broadcast 123.111.111.2 up |
| 03:48.07 | docgnome | is there a quick way to install every font in deb? I'm a bit of a font freak |
| 03:48.13 | lazy | route add -host 123.111.111.2 dev tunl0 |
| 03:48.42 | ryan__ | every font?... freak |
| 03:48.45 | nsadmin | you quickly search for all font packages, then you quickly install each one! |
| 03:48.46 | lazy | echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/tunl0/arp_ignore echo "2" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/tunl0/arp_announce echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/arp_ignore echo "2" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/arp_announce |
| 03:49.06 | lazy | but i vist http://123.111.111.2/ |
| 03:49.14 | lazy | it not work |
| 03:49.16 | lazy | why? |
| 03:49.33 | nsadmin | define exactly/precisely "it not work" |
| 03:49.40 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 03:49.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:49.43 | docgnome | ryan__: heh |
| 03:49.45 | ryan__ | not sure that sftp log can help |
| 03:50.50 | ryan__ | nsadmin: he mean it no go! |
| 03:53.05 | ryan__ | I did see somewhere that root just own that folder and the ones above it for teh internal-sftp chroot to work, but that didnt work |
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| 04:00.31 | somosparky | ryan |
| 04:00.43 | somosparky | what happens when you ssh in from the outside |
| 04:00.47 | somosparky | i see your doing it locally |
| 04:00.50 | somosparky | you're* |
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| 04:03.37 | somosparky | and why are you trying to ssh locally |
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| 04:03.43 | somosparky | seems odd to me |
| 04:04.08 | ryan__ | just to test it, im ssh'ed in from home to work |
| 04:04.37 | ryan__ | http://pastebin.org/109258 |
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| 04:08.33 | somosparky | ryan |
| 04:08.34 | somosparky | http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Miscellaneous_UNIX_notes.html |
| 04:08.53 | somosparky | search for 'Connection reset by peer' |
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| 04:10.59 | somosparky | afk |
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| 04:18.29 | ryan__ | somosparky: thats a good find, but my sftp-server is in /usr/lib/openssh and its permissions are already set to 755 |
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| 04:21.12 | Downix | Morning |
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| 04:30.08 | ryan__ | hmm figured I'd try mounting the drive at /home for sftp users but that didn't work |
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| 04:39.22 | ryan__ | somosparky: thanks for the help, later all |
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| 04:47.13 | ridethefire122 | Are you not supposed to set up DNS A records for subdomains? |
| 04:47.49 | ridethefire122 | or is there any reason why a subdomain B would be pointing to a subdomain A's webroot? |
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| 04:49.32 | Internat | howdy all.. short of rebuilding.. whats the best way to move everything from a smaller hdd to a bigger one.. my current one has some issues. |
| 04:49.46 | Internat | dd and then just resize2fs? |
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| 04:59.28 | astruasdh | make-kpkg --append-to-name "-test1" --us --uc --initrd kernel_image |
| 04:59.47 | astruasdh | is this generate a .deb with the kernel, modules and initramfs? |
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| 05:15.30 | astruasdh | Vasistha, tyvm! |
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| 05:22.13 | madmuppet006 | where would I go for some help with graphics drivers for linux debian specifically? thanks |
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| 05:26.24 | madmuppet006 | thanks ok .. I have a new installation of debian lenny .. I installed the graphics drivers for an ati card using some info off the net .. all the things that were supposed to work worked .. the problem I have is I have a mandelbrot set program that draws it in colors .. I have compiled it on both xp and debian lenny but it only draws colors in xp .. |
| 05:27.29 | madmuppet006 | I took a shot of the set and transferred it from xp to lenny and it has colors .. |
| 05:27.59 | karlpinc | madmuppet006: Is the program in the debian code repos? |
| 05:28.21 | madmuppet006 | no I spent a lot of time writing it ..:p |
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| 05:30.32 | karlpinc | madmuppet006: So, it's a coding question. You probably don't want to talk directly to the hardware. That's what the drivers are for. You probably want to use something like QT or the framebuffer api or something. I don't program graphics and have no clue. Anyway, Linux is multi-user so the kernel mediates access to the hardware. |
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| 05:30.41 | madmuppet006 | Karlpinc: no I wrote the program a few years ago when I was trying to learn c |
| 05:30.45 | leejongwook | [Q] what do i need to install to use 'update-alternatives' ? |
| 05:31.13 | karlpinc | leejongwook: As far as I know it's always there, part of the base system. |
| 05:31.25 | leejongwook | i see base system :) thanks |
| 05:32.15 | madmuppet006 | s |
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| 05:32.24 | joshteam | anyone use parallels? |
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| 05:32.58 | karlpinc | leejongwook: It's part of the dpkg package, which means it should be on all debian boxes. |
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| 05:34.48 | leejongwook | karlpinc: i didn't install it :P |
| 05:35.04 | squisher | is there any help for the commands for the bug tracker? I found a bug which has a patch, but isn't tagged with "patch". I'd like to add that. |
| 05:35.13 | leejongwook | i was curious. also i had choice to pick @_@ |
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| 05:37.33 | leejongwook | i saw about it around 20 times i guess |
| 05:37.43 | leejongwook | but i couldn't get it |
| 05:38.22 | leejongwook | i needed an example to find a file with apt-file and google shown me better result since i didn't know how to use it well :P |
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| 05:39.25 | squisher | leejongwook, packages.debian.org also works well |
| 05:39.49 | leejongwook | karlpinc: squisher thanks :) |
| 05:40.09 | leejongwook | going to packages.debian.org |
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| 06:05.00 | rfranknj | anyone know if there's a way to do automatic text replacement in abiword |
| 06:05.14 | rfranknj | specifically i need to auto replace -- with the longer dash |
| 06:05.27 | rfranknj | my english comp professor hates it when i dont have the long dash |
| 06:07.02 | squisher | rfranknj, I haven't used abiword in ages, but it'd surprise me if it didn't have a search & replace functionality |
| 06:07.10 | squisher | that's basic stuff :) |
| 06:07.13 | rfranknj | it does but i want it to be automatic |
| 06:07.18 | rfranknj | also i dont know how to create a long dash haha |
| 06:08.01 | squisher | well, the being not automatic can usually be handled by pressing enter a bunch of times, or whatever key it needs to do the next one |
| 06:08.06 | squisher | but the long dash I have no clue :) |
| 06:08.19 | squisher | In latex, -- is the long dash :-P |
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| 06:22.21 | mischief | well |
| 06:22.25 | mischief | nevermind |
| 06:22.26 | mischief | haha |
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| 06:33.14 | _Trinity_ | anyone using SeaMonkey 2? |
| 06:33.26 | wols | ,versions iceape |
| 06:33.28 | judd | iceape -- etch: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1; sid: 2.0.3-4; squeeze: 2.0.3-4; sid: 2.0.3-5 |
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| 07:28.03 | gh0st | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes |
| 07:28.31 | Anarhist | i don't know where else to ask, so i'm asking here. does iceweasel support <video> (Ogg) tag? it should as firefox does, but i wanted to be sure |
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| 07:29.45 | SYN4PS3 | sorry all but what is difference between $man 2 STH. & $man 7 STH. :? |
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| 07:30.23 | wols | Anarhist: does firefox 3.5 support html5? |
| 07:30.38 | wols | SYN4PS3: different places of manpages |
| 07:30.39 | Anarhist | yeah |
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| 07:30.53 | Anarhist | or was that a rhetorical question? |
| 07:31.08 | Riviera | SYN4PS3: see if "man 1 intro" and "man 7 intro" helps |
| 07:31.10 | wols | SYN4PS3: 2 is system calls, 8 is sysadmin commands |
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| 07:32.07 | iwks3 | hi, i'm trying to get into udev rules..i added a rule like this KERNEL=="sd*", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/usr/bin/thunar" which should be supposed to run thunar after usb stick is connected. why it happens nothing? |
| 07:32.35 | SYN4PS3 | wols: do u know other numbers refer to what ? (or a referece) |
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| 07:33.11 | wols | SYN4PS3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page#Manual_sections |
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| 07:33.50 | SYN4PS3 | wols: thanks :) |
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| 08:03.30 | peterrooney | SYN4PS3: or, more directly, "man man" |
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| 08:04.05 | SYN4PS3 | peterrooney: ok i used that tanx |
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| 08:28.56 | developerare | I have had some problems with TOR on my earlier Debian 4 server. What I would like to do now is to check if TOR i enabled and if it is, I would like to disable it from my new Debain 5 server! Any one in here who knows how to do this or have a good link? |
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| 08:30.36 | ethanol | mornin' all! |
| 08:31.05 | wols | developerare: disable it from your init startup scripts |
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| 08:31.28 | wols | tor usually also uses privocy as a "frontend" of sorts |
| 08:31.40 | icebrain | *privoxy |
| 08:31.53 | wols | and you can of course always uninstall tor if you don't like it |
| 08:32.12 | developerare | how would I unstall it? |
| 08:32.19 | icebrain | aptitude remove tor |
| 08:32.24 | wols | like any other package |
| 08:32.29 | wols | !tell developerare about grounding |
| 08:32.29 | developerare | ohh okej that easy? |
| 08:32.56 | icebrain | !yes |
| 08:32.56 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
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| 08:33.32 | developerare | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.44 | developerare | in=is |
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| 08:34.46 | icebrain | developerare: if you want to remove it, just run the command. It won't hurt if it's not there |
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| 08:36.09 | wols | developerare: dpkg -l tor |
| 08:36.46 | developerare | ok thanks for the help |
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| 08:38.37 | eviltoasterLIA | how can i clone usb stick with debian to an harddrive ? |
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| 08:38.59 | eviltoasterLIA | right know i get grub error 2 so i think i am on the right way |
| 08:40.03 | wols | eviltoasterLIA: you copy everything over and reinstall grub |
| 08:40.18 | wols | which branch of debian are you trying to copy? |
| 08:41.05 | eviltoasterLIA | debian squeeze |
| 08:41.07 | eviltoasterLIA | grub2 |
| 08:41.13 | eviltoasterLIA | how do i reinstall grub2 :S |
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| 08:41.23 | wols | man grub-install |
| 08:41.46 | eviltoasterLIA | i dont have so much time left, soon i install grub1 instead :) |
| 08:41.56 | wols | ,versions grub-legacy |
| 08:41.58 | judd | grub-legacy -- sid: 0.97-59; squeeze: 0.97-59 |
| 08:41.59 | wols | your choice |
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| 08:48.08 | FDfh | Is there any way to stop debian from password protecting the screen after a certain # of minutes? |
| 08:48.23 | cast | yes. |
| 08:48.29 | FDfh | I've been looking and haven't seen how yet . . . |
| 08:48.36 | FDfh | cast: ? |
| 08:48.54 | cast | mines never done that, i presume it's some feature of GNOME, checked the GNOME screensaver options? |
| 08:49.14 | nsadmin | FDfh: you need to find out what's doing it, because not all debians do. |
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| 08:50.06 | developerare | I have another question. I have installed samba on a users share folder. Everything works fine but the problem is that that folder are on the same partition as the Debian installation. I would like that folder to be in it's own partition so that I could allocate 1Gig for in and not more! |
| 08:50.12 | FDfh | Bah, found it; Thanks, cast, it was in the screensaver options |
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| 08:54.00 | icebrain | developerare: you can simply create a partition, create the fs, then edit /etc/fstab to mount it in the right place. But I wonder if that shouldn't be done with user quotas? |
| 08:54.26 | icebrain | !quotas |
| 08:54.29 | icebrain | !quota |
| 08:54.30 | dpkg | from memory, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 08:54.37 | cast | or create a logical volume instead of a partition :) |
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| 08:56.48 | developerare | I dont have LVM installed since it had sync problem with |
| 08:56.51 | developerare | FAT usb sticks |
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| 08:57.43 | jelly-home | developerare: why not just set up quota on that filesystem, and set quota for that user? |
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| 08:57.54 | jelly-home | eh, duplicate |
| 08:58.31 | cast | developerare: how could LVM interfare with plain ol FAT usb sticks? |
| 08:58.59 | developerare | don't know but it did so I reinstalled without LVM |
| 08:59.12 | developerare | FAT32 if it makes any difference |
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| 08:59.27 | cast | i suspect it was some other factor |
| 08:59.53 | cast | or a massive bug in something (: |
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| 09:03.32 | avar | Hi. I'm trying to pin php5* packages on my box that normally uses testing to their stable versions. This is what my apt/preferences file is like: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/40565 Shouldn't this pin the php5* packages to stable when I run aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
| 09:04.10 | avar | Stable has 5.2* which is what I run not but testing/unstable has 5.3*, when I run upgrade it tries to upgrade to 5.3* |
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| 09:06.22 | cast | so i've just got this right, you run a system thats a mix of stable, testing and unstable? |
| 09:06.37 | themill | where could it possibly go wrong |
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| 09:06.45 | avar | Indeed:) |
| 09:06.58 | avar | In practice it's a testing/unstable mix, I only install this one package from stable |
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| 09:07.10 | jelly-home | !tell avar about pinning |
| 09:07.20 | avar | but it looks like it's working if I specify packages explicitly, i.e. php5-cgi instead of php5 |
| 09:07.25 | vorsprung | there used to be a "debian weekly news" |
| 09:07.37 | vorsprung | with stuff about...well...debian |
| 09:07.40 | vorsprung | news in fact |
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| 09:07.48 | themill | dpkg: tell vorsprung about enter |
| 09:07.58 | jelly-home | avar: read apt_preferences manual _very_ literally, and also read that other URL dpkg linked to. Pinning has... quirks. |
| 09:07.59 | themill | Why is it that we have an equal mix of people bitching about php only being 5.2 in lenny and people bitching about php being 5.3 in squeeze. |
| 09:08.05 | avar | jelly-home: A. I was reading the latter of those, the former says "Again, using "Package: xchat*" is not supported" |
| 09:08.12 | avar | so yeah, using wildcards like that was my problem |
| 09:08.21 | jelly-home | avar: that's correct. "*" is not a wildcard there |
| 09:08.35 | cast | vorsprung: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ kind of like that? |
| 09:08.39 | jelly-home | dpkg: blame drugs |
| 09:08.39 | dpkg | blames sep and drugs for all the evil in the world |
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| 09:09.21 | jelly-home | avar: you could just hold the packages if 5.2 is currently installed |
| 09:09.23 | cast | vorsprung: i see your point, :), |
| 09:09.29 | vorsprung | cast: :( |
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| 09:09.40 | vorsprung | cast: so is there a "current" weekly news? |
| 09:09.44 | sep | huh ? |
| 09:09.53 | sep | well i guess it could be true.. |
| 09:10.09 | avar | jelly-home: The difference between holding and pinning them being? Right now they're in the list of "The following packages have been kept back" |
| 09:10.38 | jelly-home | avar: holding stops any changes |
| 09:10.44 | jelly-home | !tell avar about hold |
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| 09:11.34 | avar | ah, neto |
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| 09:12.08 | moi | hey. i want to redirect an ip address to another ip address. say i'm navigating to 33.44.55.66 in my browser i want it to connect to 77.88.99.11 instead. i fooled around with the 'route' command but can't seem to find out how to change the destination address.. any hints? |
| 09:12.22 | themill | avar: you can even set holds with wildcards using aptitude |
| 09:12.31 | avar | sweet |
| 09:12.57 | wols | is 33.44.55.66 under your power? |
| 09:13.18 | moi | yes |
| 09:13.26 | wols | then use an iptables port forward |
| 09:14.27 | moi | wols: hm actually i'm on mac here. so gotta find out if that supports iptables.. |
| 09:14.52 | vorsprung | moi: iptables works on any Linux kernel |
| 09:14.55 | wols | which of those IPs is running on debian if any at all? |
| 09:15.00 | vorsprung | moi: it's quite stable |
| 09:15.34 | moi | none, i just thought i ask here because the people seem to have the most knowledge here :) |
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| 09:15.47 | wols | vorsprung: I'd be thrilled if someone offered to migrate to another OS described as "quite stable"... |
| 09:15.59 | wols | moi: then please go away and come back when you actually run debian |
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| 09:16.14 | vorsprung | moi: heh you won't get far |
| 09:16.25 | wols | as he should |
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| 09:18.13 | cast | would be interesting if there was some means to survey the average computing ability of each operating systems userbase |
| 09:18.53 | crono- | moi: if 33.44... has a domain name, then setting an override in /etc/hosts could work |
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| 09:19.25 | wols | crono-: please support OSX in its channels, not here |
| 09:19.47 | moi | crono-: it has not, /etc/hosts doesn't work here... |
| 09:19.55 | moi | anyway. i see i'm not welcome with my mac here |
| 09:19.58 | moi | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 09:20.01 | crono- | lol |
| 09:20.33 | wols | damn, His Holiness steve must have paid the POSIX group a shitton of money to get certified then |
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| 09:55.52 | quellhorst | anyone seen innodb being disable on debian mysql? |
| 09:56.28 | babilen | sure - it uses MyISAM |
| 09:56.38 | babilen | you have to enable it - see the MySQL docs |
| 09:58.26 | themill | innodb is enabled by default; disabling it can save you around 100MB of mysqld memory usage |
| 09:58.26 | quellhorst | babilen: i don't see enableing. i only see disabling in the docs |
| 09:58.46 | iceroot | quellhorst: imo myisam is the default on linux, innodb the default on windows, but the linux-version comes also with innodb |
| 09:58.48 | quellhorst | show engines shows my innodb as being disabled. cant figure out how to turn it on |
| 09:59.02 | quellhorst | i'm using debian of course :) |
| 09:59.16 | iceroot | quellhorst: and the lenny-version is running fine with innodb |
| 09:59.21 | babilen | themill: Really? - Last time I configured a MySQL DB (~6 months) I had to enable it explictly :-\ |
| 09:59.39 | themill | babilen: squeeze? It's certainly enabled by default in sarge, etch and lenny |
| 09:59.47 | quellhorst | iceroot: how can i see if i'm on lenny-version? |
| 09:59.58 | iceroot | quellhorst: lsb_release -a |
| 10:00.04 | wols | quellhorst: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:00.08 | quellhorst | babilen: do you recall how you enabled it? |
| 10:00.24 | quellhorst | im on 5.0.4 |
| 10:00.30 | SolarisBoy | you need to do it my.cnf afaik |
| 10:00.36 | iceroot | quellhorst: that is lenny |
| 10:00.38 | babilen | exactly |
| 10:00.51 | quellhorst | i only see a line in my.cnf to disable innodb, not enable it |
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| 10:01.07 | iceroot | quellhorst: and mysql comes with innodb, but you have to use innodb if creating a database, if you dont say innodb at create-statement its using myisam |
| 10:01.09 | SolarisBoy | quellhorst: it takes a few lines not one,, you need to add them |
| 10:01.19 | iceroot | quellhorst: innodb is enabled by default! |
| 10:01.39 | quellhorst | iceroot: show engines; says innodb is disabled. |
| 10:02.00 | SolarisBoy | |//face palms// |
| 10:02.26 | babilen | don't you have to configure the innodb_data_file_path setup as well? |
| 10:02.30 | iceroot | quellhorst: InnoDB | YES | Supports transactions, row-level locking, and foreign keys |
| 10:02.33 | SolarisBoy | babilen: yes |
| 10:02.45 | iceroot | quellhorst: Debian Lenny 5.0.4 with standard-installation |
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| 10:03.34 | SolarisBoy | mysql uses MyISAM by default on linux if innodb is "enabled|disabled" im not sure, but you can simply turn it on by adding the right lines to my.cnf |
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| 10:03.54 | themill | quellhorst: can you pastebin "dpkg -l mysql\* | grep ^.i" just so we're all sure what version of mysql you're using here |
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| 10:04.14 | sdousley|work | Hi all, I have a debian machine i'm trying to install mysql-server-5.0 on, however, it's erroring on the install |
| 10:04.15 | babilen | I remember that innodb was explicitly disabled because the data_files changed in size and MySQL decided that it is better to silently switch to MyISAM instead of complaining |
| 10:04.28 | sdousley|work | does anyone know of any issues with installing mysql-server-5.0? |
| 10:04.31 | babilen | laughs about synchronicity |
| 10:04.53 | babilen | sdousley|work: It would be great if you could paste the complete output and tell us what you have done so far. |
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| 10:05.00 | babilen | !tell sdousley|work -about pastebin |
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| 10:05.06 | sdousley|work | babilen: ok, 2 secs :) |
| 10:05.14 | themill | babilen: interesting... All I know is that if you set skip-innodb then you save a shedload of memory |
| 10:05.19 | babilen | no problem - i'll have a cigarrete .. |
| 10:05.38 | quellhorst | must have been some config error |
| 10:05.40 | quellhorst | working now |
| 10:06.04 | SolarisBoy | heh |
| 10:06.07 | babilen | I switched to PostgreSQL in the end :) |
| 10:06.17 | babilen | quellhorst: What have you changed? |
| 10:06.28 | SolarisBoy | probably skip-innodb |
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| 10:07.04 | babilen | that might be it :) |
| 10:07.12 | SolarisBoy | suspect ;> |
| 10:08.22 | babilen | sdousley|work: brb - just ask the channel :) |
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| 10:10.24 | feisar | will deleting everything from a drive and then copying back some data result in a non fragmented drive or do I need to format it before copying the data back? |
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| 10:16.23 | jelly | feisar: reformatting is the safe (and faster) option |
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| 10:17.06 | feisar | jelly: ok thanks :) |
| 10:17.13 | jelly | deleting all the files in a mature filesystem typically takes more time than mkfs |
| 10:17.35 | JyZyXEL | well looks like the DVD burning tools are not capable of handling I/O errors while doing a burn u_u |
| 10:17.42 | sdousley|work | OK, i have a pastebin of the error installing mysql-server-5.0 here: http://pastebin.com/2c1m3FMZ |
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| 10:18.07 | themill | sdousley|work: key line is line 16 of your paste. What is it you are doing? |
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| 10:18.22 | JyZyXEL | i went and started the burn all confident that the developers would have considered and taken care the possibility of I/O errors during a burn |
| 10:18.27 | sdousley|work | themill: I did have 5.1 installed, but I've ran aptitude remove mysql-server-5.1 |
| 10:18.33 | JyZyXEL | but YEA RIGHT |
| 10:18.50 | themill | JyZyXEL: please add those patches to all the other ones you've sent in |
| 10:19.00 | sdousley|work | themill: I've found that 5.1 seems a bit crappy, so want to downgrade to 5.0 to see if that helps at all |
| 10:19.20 | themill | sdousley|work: I don't know if the on-disk data format for the dbs is the same though. |
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| 10:20.02 | sdousley|work | themill: ah, ok, so as I have the databases from like mysql4, should I copy those into /var/lib/mysql and try again? so it can upgrade thost to 5.0? |
| 10:20.21 | jelly | JyZyXEL: schily's cdrecord (not in Debian) may or may not work better for you |
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| 10:21.05 | cahoot | and if it doesn't - feel free to discuss with Schily |
| 10:21.15 | themill | sdousley|work: you could move the dbs out of the way from /var/lib/mysql and delete the debian-5.1.flag file from that directory and then have another go, yes. |
| 10:21.35 | babilen | JyZyXEL: I would also try growisofs and wodim. You might want to adjust the burn speed ... |
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| 10:24.58 | sdousley|work | themill: Yes, I've just tried that, and it seems to have installed ok |
| 10:25.26 | themill | sdousley|work: excellent. |
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| 10:25.55 | jelly | babilen: he probably was already using one of those two. But then again JyZyXEL prefers rants instead of giving useful data, so who knows... |
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| 10:33.46 | nsadmin | next time he rants I'll probably ask him if he knows that he's widely known to be unhelpable |
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| 10:38.32 | jelly | nsadmin: the helpability(?) is a work in progress. |
| 10:39.02 | JyZyXEL | babilen: well over USB -> sata bridge I/O errors are common |
| 10:39.14 | JyZyXEL | even when reading a DVD you get alot of errors |
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| 10:39.45 | nsadmin | I'd only do it if I notice he's ranting AND not listening (or maybe just not listening) |
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| 10:39.49 | babilen | JyZyXEL: That might be, but I think it is pretty hard to solve these problems if you don't provide error messages .. |
| 10:39.56 | JyZyXEL | i hear the cheap JMicron bridges they use are total crap |
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| 10:40.15 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Anyway, have a nice day and I hope that you can solve these problems |
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| 10:41.24 | factor | Where is the default lib for JAVA home under debian |
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| 10:42.02 | factor | i.e where are the jdk libs |
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| 10:42.46 | nsadmin | factor how exactly did you install java |
| 10:43.00 | factor | via debian package jre-default |
| 10:43.18 | jelly | factor: depends on which JDK is installed. Typically you don't need to set up JAVA_HOME to find java/javac and other binaries, as they're present in default PATH |
| 10:43.25 | factor | I see a /usr/lib/jvm |
| 10:43.29 | nsadmin | so you didn't actually install the jdk? |
| 10:43.41 | factor | apt-got jdk |
| 10:43.49 | nsadmin | exact name? |
| 10:44.10 | factor | apt-get install gcj-jdk |
| 10:44.48 | themill | factor: you probably want openjdk-6-jdk or sun-java6-jdk instead. |
| 10:44.53 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is dpkg -L gcj-jdk |
| 10:45.09 | factor | yes I have openjdk as well |
| 10:45.10 | nsadmin | that will show you a list of the files in the tarball in the package |
| 10:45.24 | developerare | Im using openJDK and it's working perfectly for me |
| 10:45.32 | themill | factor: and set your alternatives correctly, /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives |
| 10:45.43 | factor | just want to know how to setup JAVA_HOME via iether method |
| 10:45.48 | factor | either^ |
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| 10:46.08 | nsadmin | perhaps if you were to say somethign about what led you to your original question here, then we'd have a bit more complete info |
| 10:46.22 | themill | factor: nothing in debian will require you to set JAVA_HOME |
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| 10:46.44 | nsadmin | perhaps you got some error message from some command invocation... if so, show the exact command line and pastebin the exact message |
| 10:46.52 | factor | I am trying to compile a java prog |
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| 10:47.07 | themill | factor: if you set the java alternatives correctly, that will just work TM |
| 10:47.15 | factor | ahh ok |
| 10:47.42 | factor | so as long as its in the main path its fine I dont need an extra environment |
| 10:47.44 | jelly | judd: ,file /bin/javac |
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| 10:47.51 | jelly | judd: file /bin/javac |
| 10:47.53 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:47.59 | jelly | judd: file bin/javac |
| 10:48.01 | judd | bin/javac in lenny/i386: sun-java6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/bin/javac; java-gcj-compat-dev: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/bin/javac; openjdk-6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/javac; sun-java5-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17/bin/javac; kaffe: usr/lib/kaffe/bin/javac; openjdk-6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/javac; kaffe-jthreads: (1 more message) |
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| 10:48.26 | nasso | does anyone know of a quick and easy command to keep allocating memory until you run out? |
| 10:48.27 | themill | factor: if absolutely needed, you can export "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk" |
| 10:48.38 | jelly | factor: I bet you'll want to install one of the above. |
| 10:48.39 | factor | thanks that is what I was wondering |
| 10:48.41 | nasso | im testing something out and i need to use up all my memory |
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| 10:49.57 | jelly | nasso: memtester will allocate a given amount of ram |
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| 10:50.45 | nasso | jelly, okay. thanks |
| 10:50.52 | themill | or just fire iceweasel with a few tabs with both flash and java stuff on them... that's a good way of soaking up all available memory |
| 10:51.17 | nasso | themill, its a virtual server without x11 |
| 10:51.18 | cast | could start gnome, too |
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| 10:51.30 | themill | nasso: I was joking.... |
| 10:51.34 | Lumee | hi |
| 10:51.39 | cast | setup a tmpfs, and fill it :) |
| 10:51.45 | nasso | themill, true though :) |
| 10:53.15 | Lumee | how can i know what libraries are loaded in the memory of my system? |
| 10:53.51 | jelly | Lumee: why? |
| 10:54.19 | jelly | Lumee: (you can use lsof, btw) |
| 10:54.25 | Lumee | because i want to know what of my libreries i don't use |
| 10:54.54 | cast | would access times be more useful there |
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| 10:55.14 | jelly | Lumee: you could also use access times on the files drat, cast was faster |
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| 10:55.47 | jelly | if the mount options allow access times to change |
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| 10:56.44 | cast | is there already a deb package that finds packages [possibly based on atimes] that haven't been used in a while |
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| 10:57.06 | jelly | find|xargs dpkg -S! |
| 10:57.34 | cast | true true |
| 10:57.35 | jelly | why do you need a package when a oneliner can do |
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| 10:58.43 | wols | I need a tool to throttle CPU usage for a process. Ie, the process wants 100% of a core but I only want to allow 33% or 50% |
| 10:58.49 | skhater | how to repair debian boot |
| 10:59.06 | wols | so I can fit several cpu hogging processes on the host |
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| 10:59.35 | themill | popcon |
| 10:59.53 | jelly | wols: "renice", and a better kernel than mainline |
| 11:00.11 | wols | jelly: neither will work for what I want. read more carefully |
| 11:00.35 | wols | tho a better, more configurable scheduler might work. but I dunno any such scheduler |
| 11:00.37 | jelly | wols: well, there were patches in the past that did jsut that |
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| 11:00.50 | wols | links? names? deb package? *g* |
| 11:01.04 | wols | !tell skhater about reinstall grub |
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| 11:01.50 | jelly | wols: sadly the references escape me |
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| 11:02.41 | wols | the problem is, the app insists on 100% cpu even when it would be fine in a wuarter or so of a modern cpu |
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| 11:03.41 | nmvictor | i am trying to set up a tunnel so i can be able to connect to freenode even behind our campus's proxy, is their someone who has done this before and is willing to take my hand on this, i am following an artical [http://www.debubuntu.org/2006/04/08/22-ssh-and-port-forwarding-or-how-to-get-through-a-firewall] |
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| 11:04.43 | iceroot | how can i see how mayn space is used on / /var /home and so on? |
| 11:04.56 | wols | iceroot: du |
| 11:05.06 | Trewas | wols: there is cpulimit package which fits the description, but I haven't used it much |
| 11:05.39 | iceroot | wols: thx |
| 11:05.43 | cast | presumably when you guys say % cpu you're talking over some interval of time, rather than instantanous? |
| 11:05.47 | wols | Trewas: thanks. sounds promising |
| 11:06.20 | wols | cast: basically, I have an app which will always take up 100% of a core but I want to run seveal instances of this app |
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| 11:06.36 | wols | so I need to limit the amount of cputime each app is grabbing |
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| 11:07.15 | wols | and of course you can only assign full timeslice, not cut a timeslice in 3 pieces :) |
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| 11:07.53 | cast | nods |
| 11:07.57 | Trewas | cpulimit seems to work by sending continuously sigstop/sigcont signals, so it is probably quite annoying for interactive programs |
| 11:08.16 | nmvictor | i want to install debian in a power pc, is it wise to get the ....update--5.0.4...iso or just the non update version? |
| 11:09.18 | wols | nmvictor: the 5.0.4 update iso only contains the updated packages. it has no installer and is not bootable |
| 11:09.22 | wols | get either netinst, or CD1 |
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| 11:09.41 | nmvictor | wols: thanks, |
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| 11:10.19 | wols | Trewas: it shouldn't be a problem (hopefully) for a process which doesn't really need that much CPU and is simply wasting it |
| 11:11.04 | jelly | wols: <jelly> I seem to remember, once upon a time, there were patches that made renice work in ways to limit a process to use less than 100% of idle cpu time <conman> you're talking about cpu limits <conman> cgroups can apparently do that |
| 11:11.50 | wols | interesting |
| 11:11.57 | jelly | -> lunch |
| 11:12.15 | wols | <3 linux |
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| 11:22.04 | emdete | some gconf-guru around? the gconf page states gconf is a config database but that seems to be a lie because gconf also /applies/ settings, i.e. the settings of x11 (i.e. keyboard autorepet rate). also my gtk apps (i dont use gnome) seem not to honor beep settings of x11 and beep at will. is there some solution to this? |
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| 11:24.29 | nsadmin | emdete: consider the difference between "either/or mentality" and "both/and mentality" |
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| 11:25.34 | emdete | nsadmin: i'm not a native-english speaker... sry, i don't understand you. |
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| 11:26.28 | nsadmin | emdete: I suppose that's not a huge problem... you could either expend some effort... or not... |
| 11:26.52 | emdete | don't get you |
| 11:26.59 | nsadmin | np |
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| 11:27.26 | emdete | nsadmin: which effort do u talking about? |
| 11:27.45 | nsadmin | the effort necessary to understand |
| 11:28.14 | emdete | what part don't you understand? |
| 11:28.22 | nsadmin | ok, so you did get curious... so here's a coupla pieces for ya: |
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| 11:29.29 | nsadmin | "either/or mentality" example: "since gconf is said to be a database, how can it also apply settings? IT CANNOT BE BOTH!" |
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| 11:31.24 | emdete | nsadmin: i mean "it should not be both" - for me it destroys my settings that's why i don't like it to be both. so first question is: is it both? can someone confirm that? i read the page of gconf which only talks about the database stuff. i am uncertain. |
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| 11:31.31 | nsadmin | "both/and mentality" example: "it can be both, and to understand how this can be, you have to understand how the underlying systems work... or you can just trust that it can be both" |
| 11:31.48 | gh0st | i need another wireless manager, like wicd and gnome network manager? |
| 11:32.01 | emdete | nsadmin: i know it /can/ be both. it just would be bad architecture. |
| 11:32.33 | nsadmin | poor design? I suppose that could be |
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| 11:33.21 | emdete | nsadmin: :D so can you confirm its both? |
| 11:33.28 | nsadmin | no :) |
| 11:33.41 | themill | emdete: having the configuration in the database/config file/whatever differing from config that the application is actually using is also pretty primitive design. If you change the configuration, you'd want it to be applied as well. |
| 11:33.45 | nsadmin | but didn't you already do that? |
| 11:33.47 | emdete | nsadmin: wo who is changing my x11 settings i put with xset? |
| 11:34.12 | emdete | themill: no, as a database i assume it just persists the config. |
| 11:34.36 | emdete | nsadmin: behind gtk so many things go on i can't be sure |
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| 11:34.50 | themill | emdete: that's a poor assumption. You don't really want to log out and then log back in just to change something trivial, do you? |
| 11:35.38 | emdete | themill: you are talking about different things than i do. i talk about modularisation. you about the user expirience |
| 11:36.02 | emdete | themill: i just mean that some other module has to apply the changes. |
| 11:36.15 | themill | not really, but do enjoy trying to make something that is quite simple into something quite complex |
| 11:36.27 | emdete | themill: i even deleteed my gconf db. it still applies default settings for things not in the db! |
| 11:36.52 | emdete | themill: gtk simple? harhar ;) |
| 11:36.56 | themill | there are default settings too. And there's a daemon that is presumably persisting |
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| 11:37.11 | emdete | themill: no |
| 11:38.03 | nsadmin | well raw x libs aren't exactly simple either |
| 11:38.24 | emdete | themill: there is a tool called a conf db. but that tool also applies settings. in case i use another tool for editing settings (the good old 'as god intended' X11 way) gconf shoots into my feet |
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| 11:38.50 | emdete | nsadmin: it's useless & does not lead to a solution to discuss gtk arch/design |
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| 11:39.27 | themill | So you want to edit the settings and not have them applied... (#debian is not for solving the problems, perceived or otherwise, of gtk's design) |
| 11:39.31 | emdete | nsadmin: thing is: i setup my system / desktop and some weirdo destroys that |
| 11:39.46 | emdete | themill: no i don't want even edit. |
| 11:40.01 | nsadmin | my point is that if it weren't for somethign like gtk you might be stuck with having to program your apps by making direct calls to x libs |
| 11:40.30 | nsadmin | but I am seeing what you mean |
| 11:40.35 | emdete | themill: sure, but at #debian are mostly people that have good background knowledge and are friendly enough to disuss it ;) |
| 11:41.46 | emdete | nsadmin: nono, the prob for X11 is solved. i startup my desktop, apply the settings that i want. but: if i start the first gtk app that starts gconfd & destroes those settings |
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| 11:42.13 | emdete | nsadmin: question is how can one setup a system where this does not happen? |
| 11:42.25 | egns_ | hello, how do i recover my /tmp dir? i deleted it by accident and now i dont know how to set the sticky bit in it :/ |
| 11:42.57 | emdete | in fact (debian-speach) gtk should conflict with xset... |
| 11:43.05 | nsadmin | the sticky bit is 02000 |
| 11:43.23 | egns_ | uh |
| 11:43.31 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.50 | nsadmin | wait, maybe it is 01000 like you say |
| 11:43.57 | emdete | +t |
| 11:44.00 | egns_ | i'll try it |
| 11:44.22 | themill | nsadmin: "stat /tmp" will tell you easily enough :) |
| 11:44.23 | egns_ | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4,0K mar 11 12:44 tmp |
| 11:44.27 | nsadmin | 1777 might be interprested in decimal |
| 11:44.32 | egns_ | should that work ? |
| 11:44.41 | emdete | egns_: try `chmod +t /tmp` and you need `chmod uog+rxw /tmp` too |
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| 11:45.35 | egns_ | it seems to work |
| 11:45.37 | egns_ | thanks all |
| 11:45.42 | nsadmin | egns_ that's what my /tmp is |
| 11:45.48 | ueepc_ | thanks |
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| 11:46.47 | nsadmin | you will usually want to put 0 before octal numbers, like 01777 |
| 11:47.10 | nsadmin | maybe some chmods default to octal, dunno if all of them do |
| 11:47.35 | emdete | nsadmin: gnu's will do |
| 11:48.33 | nsadmin | so if you want it to be portable, make sure you specify it |
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| 11:50.09 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 11:55.10 | kraehe | what package do I need to compile typical GTK+ programs? |
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| 11:55.38 | themill | nsadmin: octal is assumed by solaris, osf/1, ... I suspect you'll find that it's supposed to be octal in the SuS. |
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| 11:56.33 | wols | kraehe: apt-cache search gtk |grep dev |
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| 11:57.57 | kraehe | wols, gtk+ is gtk2? |
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| 11:59.04 | wols | kraehe: it sounds like a C++ wrapper |
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| 11:59.57 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:00.13 | Posterdati | please I need a tool to mark damaged blocks on scsi disks :) thanks |
| 12:00.23 | feisar | I'm running debian squeeze on an amd64 processor, what do I need to install to enable the processor speed stepping? |
| 12:00.38 | wols | seems they renamed themselves sorta to "gtk+". libgtk-2.0-0 is gtk. for this you need the -dev package. probably things like glib and the like too |
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| 12:01.00 | kraehe | Posterdati, man badblocks |
| 12:01.00 | psteyn | anyone know of a tool that will 'crawl' your website, randomly clicking links/forms and so on for speed testing purposes? |
| 12:01.11 | wols | kraehe: compile the program and it will tell you if headerfiles are missing. if there are, go to packages.debian.org and search in what packages they are and install those |
| 12:01.13 | jelly | the widget set has always been called Gtk+ afair |
| 12:01.17 | feisar | psteyn: you can do it with a google account |
| 12:01.29 | wols | Posterdati: tried smartmontools? |
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| 12:01.31 | psteyn | ooh? |
| 12:01.45 | gh0st | [ 213.728009] rt2x00queue_write_tx_frame - start - entry (9) ... |
| 12:01.48 | gh0st | [ 213.731666] rt2800usb_write_tx_desc - start - entry (9) queue (0) - l2pad (0) |
| 12:01.50 | gh0st | what is that? |
| 12:01.50 | jelly | Posterdati: also see if sdparm can help |
| 12:02.09 | wols | gh0st: kprints |
| 12:02.38 | kraehe | gh0st, kernel output - did you plug in an usb stick? do you look at console |
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| 12:02.53 | gh0st | yes |
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| 12:03.33 | babilen | !rt2800usb |
| 12:03.33 | dpkg | The Ralink RT2800U[D] USB chipset (RT2870) is supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, included in mainline kernels since 2.6.31-rc1. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> and install firmware-ralink 0.17 or later. Be sure to <blacklist> rt2870sta prior to use. For the vendor driver (amd64, i386 only), ask me about <rt2870sta>. |
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| 12:04.28 | wols | gh0st: the rt2800 driver is pretty much experimental so it probably outputs a lot of stuff to help people debugging problems. but no matter what you plug in, almost everything will then output something on the console. |
| 12:05.02 | gh0st | ok |
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| 12:05.55 | gh0st | wols: how can i up the network ? ip link <interface> up ? |
| 12:05.58 | gh0st | i cant' remember |
| 12:06.53 | the-dude | gh0st: ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 12:08.36 | wols | gh0st: I suggest setting it up via interfaces(5) or network-manager, whatever you prefer |
| 12:09.04 | gh0st | i mean wifi |
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| 12:09.09 | wols | so do I |
| 12:09.16 | wols | !tell gh0st about wpa |
| 12:09.30 | babilen | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 12:12.13 | CodyLanez | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268309144.jpg do my tits look big? |
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| 12:12.43 | cromag | a redirect in the file |
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| 12:14.50 | Cholito | =/ |
| 12:14.54 | Cholito | que callaito |
| 12:15.20 | jelly | Cholito: don't click on random links in irc! |
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| 12:15.31 | marienz | yes, don't click that link. |
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| 12:15.51 | Cholito | wait what? |
| 12:16.13 | Cholito | lol, I thought I was on the Spanish channel! sorry hehe |
| 12:16.19 | Cholito | j #debian-es |
| 12:16.46 | theduke | hey guys ... I'm looking for some tools to do some profiling on cpu/memory/disk load on our server, for identifying bottlenecks and deciding when we need to get a second server for new clients |
| 12:16.53 | theduke | any suggestions? |
| 12:17.01 | cromag | cacti or so ? |
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| 12:18.38 | benty | does anyone know how to setup dual boot encryption? |
| 12:19.30 | wols | benty: do you know how to ask technical questions? |
| 12:20.06 | benty | oh |
| 12:20.24 | benty | I forgot to say its windows |
| 12:20.41 | benty | i want to encrypt debian with windows |
| 12:20.47 | wols | and you forgot to read the name of this channel too apparently |
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| 12:20.59 | wols | !confuse benty |
| 12:21.00 | dpkg | Yes, what is our weasel tomorrow, benty? Trousers of the Republic of Mongolia with extra crabpaste. |
| 12:21.10 | wols | what you say makes no sense benty |
| 12:21.14 | benty | funny |
| 12:21.39 | benty | why does it make no sense |
| 12:21.47 | wols | cause it's gibberish |
| 12:21.52 | wols | !tell benty about smart questions |
| 12:22.02 | babilen | because you can't use windows to encrypt debian? |
| 12:22.24 | benty | um, i never asked how to use windows to encrypt debian |
| 12:22.24 | Posterdati | wols: yes |
| 12:22.27 | wols | babilen: you can do it easily. any encryption software on the market should work just fine |
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| 12:22.43 | Posterdati | kraehe: may I use it on living fs? |
| 12:22.56 | wols | benty: then you need to write something different.< benty> i want to encrypt debian with windows |
| 12:23.16 | wols | Posterdati: smartmontools you can use on a live fs |
| 12:23.17 | benty | that means debian TOGETHER with windows |
| 12:23.27 | Posterdati | wols: even to mark? |
| 12:23.30 | benty | not windows to encrypt ebian |
| 12:23.36 | swarog | pavian? |
| 12:23.40 | wols | Posterdati: yes |
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| 12:23.52 | wols | benty: read the smart questions link |
| 12:23.55 | benty | not using windows to encrypt debian |
| 12:24.27 | ed0n0n | I have logged in as a normal X session user, and and I have opened a gtk-x program as root, like gksu, it's been more than an hour but I still can opengtk programs as root without any prompt for password anymore. How long does this effect take? Shouldn't the system have to prompt for passwords again? |
| 12:24.30 | babilen | !tell benty -about luks |
| 12:24.38 | Posterdati | kraehe: I'm using it now |
| 12:24.41 | benty | i know what luks is |
| 12:24.48 | babilen | benty: You have to check with #windows how to encrypt your windows FS |
| 12:25.04 | benty | what is FS |
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| 12:25.15 | ed0n0n | benty: Fire Sarter |
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| 12:25.30 | ed0n0n | benty: Fire Starter, a firewall |
| 12:25.34 | babilen | benty: file system |
| 12:25.46 | ed0n0n | or File System too |
| 12:25.54 | ed0n0n | more probably |
| 12:26.18 | benty | i know how to do total system encryption of windows and the same for debian |
| 12:26.22 | ed0n0n | by the why way does my firestarter (as root) close suddenly? |
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| 12:26.40 | CodyLanez | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268310011.jpg do my tits look big? |
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| 12:27.44 | babilen | benty: What do you want then? |
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| 12:29.23 | factor | I am trying to get java tomcat6 to work but just fails, the ports are open for it but I get java.net.SocketException: invalid argument |
| 12:29.38 | benty | im trying to get a chance to read the little intelligent questions treatis. what i want is to be able to have a dual boot system, where both windows and debian are completely encrypted |
| 12:29.39 | ed0n0n | Is there any way to limit the lifetime of passwords in the gnome keyring by time? |
| 12:29.44 | factor | using the debian openjdk |
| 12:30.08 | wols | benty: check out truecrypt (not in debian however) |
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| 12:30.43 | benty | thanks wols.i know how to use truecrypt to encrypt windows |
| 12:30.56 | freaky[t] | i have a question about lenny-backports. i have pinned lenny-backports with 200 but when doing apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade the new dovecot packages from lenny-backports are "held back"... is there any reason for this? |
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| 12:33.54 | freaky[t] | i have a question about lenny-backports. i have pinned lenny-backports with 200 but when doing apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade the new dovecot packages from lenny-backports are "held back"... why is it not installing the newer packages? |
| 12:34.04 | themill | dpkg: tell freaky[t] about bat |
| 12:34.26 | benty | wols, that little encyclopedia talks about how to best present your questions to "hackers". I'm not interested in hacking nor getting advice from a "hacker". |
| 12:34.50 | freaky[t] | themill hm thanks but i have allready installed the newer packages manually |
| 12:35.01 | freaky[t] | so i cant tell u anymore :/ |
| 12:35.04 | wols | benty: then you better stop using linux. ALL the people programmin on linux are hackers and pretty much everyone of them calls himself a hacker |
| 12:35.27 | benty | oh |
| 12:35.29 | benty | ok |
| 12:35.35 | wols | and I'm very sure the truecrypt folks call themselves hackers too. if you could ask them that is :) |
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| 12:37.04 | aimka | Hello, after a kernel update on lenny, I have a problem with my grub menu.lst. My root partition is /dev/cciss/c0d0p1, but in the menu.lst, it's set to /dev/sda1. Is there a way to modify it for the future ? |
| 12:37.31 | wols | aimka: are you using colinux? |
| 12:38.03 | wols | ah, raid |
| 12:38.25 | aimka | wols: no, I'm using the standard amd64 kernel |
| 12:38.42 | aimka | yeah, this raid sucks :p |
| 12:41.00 | developerare | where do I find the reference guide for debian, I have it installed on my comp.... |
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| 12:42.21 | rvsjoen | reference for what |
| 12:42.28 | petemc | developerare: dpkg -L packagename will tell you what files are where |
| 12:42.45 | cahoot | the debian reference? |
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| 12:43.04 | aimka | wols: do you have an idea to modify it ? |
| 12:43.58 | ed0n0n | Thanks for your help, bye |
| 12:44.18 | kzar | I've got the fglrx module to compile and install through module-assistant but I'm having no luck using it. 'aticonfig --initial' segfaults, when I set the xorg.conf up to use the module myself X wont start any more. I'm stuck :( |
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| 12:51.10 | wols | kzar: X -configure and then edit the restulting xorg.conf |
| 12:51.37 | X-Raimo | how-to disable deamon stating during boot? |
| 12:52.24 | wols | X-Raimo: man update-rc.d |
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| 12:54.09 | kzar | wols: I'm stuck getting the fglrx driver working, not getting back into X without that driver |
| 12:54.49 | wols | kzar: did you do what I asked you to? |
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| 12:55.50 | Pikratos | j #debian-es |
| 12:56.12 | kzar | wols: No I can do but I'll have to reconnect, connected to irc using X at the moment. I just suspected that will restore my xorg.conf without helping get past my fglrx issue. Maybe I'm wrong in that assumption? |
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| 12:56.24 | wols | kzar: you don't have to reconnect |
| 12:56.37 | wols | it will create a xorg.conf. right now you have none |
| 12:56.44 | wols | if you do, you can simply edit it |
| 12:56.51 | kzar | I do have a xorg.conf and I have edited it |
| 12:57.06 | wols | and why do you care if aticonfig segfaults or not? |
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| 12:57.24 | wols | and if X won't start, why don't you check the logs? |
| 12:57.35 | kzar | I have checked the logs |
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| 12:58.31 | kzar | I care if their provided tool segfaults for two reasons, firstly it makes me nervous how well their driver is going to work and secondly my attempt at setting up the xorg.conf use their driver failed and I hoped their tool might do a better job |
| 12:58.56 | kzar | to use* |
| 12:59.53 | wols | and this is a debian problem how? |
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| 13:00.09 | wols | remember: non-free |
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| 13:00.17 | man_in_shack | wvaes |
| 13:00.49 | man_in_shack | anyone know why i might be getting "fopen: Permission denied" after "Processing triggers for man-db" when packages get installed? |
| 13:00.59 | man_in_shack | i think i'm missing a directory somewhere, but i don't know what it is |
| 13:01.54 | wols | permission denied is not file not found |
| 13:02.03 | kzar | wols: you seem to be treating me with some hostility, I'm not sure why. The implication there being that I think this is a debian problem, I don't of course. I'm just trying to get the driver working, I am using Debian so it's a good place to come to ask for advice. |
| 13:02.06 | man_in_shack | sure, but that doesn't tell me WHAT'S missing |
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| 13:03.13 | wols | kzar: "firstly it makes me nervous how well their driver is going to work " why do you use it in the first place then? |
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| 13:03.32 | wols | if this being debian, the device is "never use fglrx" obviously |
| 13:03.41 | wols | what videocard do you have? and what debian branch do you run? |
| 13:04.05 | wols | s/device/advice/ |
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| 13:09.23 | man_in_shack | ok, i think it's magically fixed itself |
| 13:09.43 | Titan8990 | man_in_shack: I got it for a little while... but it just went awar |
| 13:09.48 | Titan8990 | man_in_shack: away |
| 13:10.03 | kzar | wols: Well I need to use the driver to make the most of the graphics card, yes I know the opensource opinion (and mine as it happens) of close sourced buggy drivers isn't high. I use Debian stable and the card is a Radeon HD 5750 |
| 13:10.32 | Titan8990 | kzar: aticonfig segfaults on debian stable?? |
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| 13:11.04 | kzar | Titan8990: For me yea |
| 13:11.20 | Titan8990 | kzar: have you checked the BTS and/or filed a bug report? |
| 13:11.30 | wols | kzar: I doubt your hd5750 is supported by fglrx in stable |
| 13:11.39 | wols | kzar: you need to do a ssb |
| 13:11.43 | wols | !tell kzar about ssb |
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| 13:12.46 | Titan8990 | ssb really apply to m-a? |
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| 13:13.34 | wols | yes. you can build the fglrx and nvidia packages from "source" |
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| 13:13.57 | wols | and you need the newest versions for the hd5750, lenny doesn't know about cards which showed up after lenny froze |
| 13:13.58 | kzar | wols: Well fglrx doesn't work in testing, I believe ATI don't support kernels that are that new. That's why I had to go back to stable |
| 13:14.27 | wols | it doesn't work in testing yes, but it will work in stable, with stable's kernel and X server |
| 13:14.35 | kraehe | kzar - open trashcan - insert ati - buy nvidia, if you want to use OpenGL |
| 13:14.50 | SiriX | hi, just wondering if anyone knows of any way (asside from say manually checking SARG) of seeing total traffic use / setting a quota on a Squid authorised User? |
| 13:14.57 | Titan8990 | wols: yes, but doesn't the -src package come from the binary repositories? |
| 13:15.18 | wols | Titan8990: no it comes frm source repos IIRC: some time since I done a nvidia ssb |
| 13:15.26 | wols | but whever you get it, it's easy to get and to use |
| 13:17.04 | kzar | wols: So if I'm using Lenny because ATI only supports kernels up that far but I need to use Squeeze or whatever because Lenny is too old for my new graphics card isn't that a contradiction? |
| 13:17.41 | kraehe | the problem is ati, not debian ;-( |
| 13:17.44 | wols | no it's not |
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| 13:18.16 | kzar | Titan8990: Nope not yet, might do soon |
| 13:18.16 | wols | kraehe: in a way it's also a debian problem, but there is nothing much debian can do: debian can't support hardware that comes out after release |
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| 13:18.35 | wols | which is why we have backports, and which is why we tell people to use and create their own backports |
| 13:18.36 | kzar | kraehe: Again the implication is that I think the problem is Debian's, I don't |
| 13:19.06 | wols | kzar: it's not a contradiction. it's just a real world fucked up situation :) |
| 13:19.30 | kzar | wols: Yes I realise that, now which package do I need to backport? I think the kernel, which is the one package ATI can't handle being too new? |
| 13:19.39 | wols | no, not the kernel |
| 13:19.45 | kzar | ah ok which? |
| 13:19.49 | wols | only the fglrx source package (which should create 2-3 deb packages) |
| 13:20.11 | kzar | wols: ok I'll try that |
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| 13:20.27 | gh0st | how can i change wireless interface? |
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| 13:20.50 | wols | source package name is "fglrx-driver" too |
| 13:20.56 | wols | gh0st: change how? |
| 13:21.01 | kraehe | the ati problem is independed of distribution: ati never had good opengl drivers, but there had been good tungsten opengl for r200 chipset. next ati signed the xbox contract that forbits to undisclose several directx hardware tricks. next ati was owned by amd, and a lot of devopers switched job. |
| 13:21.29 | gh0st | wols: to change a wlan1 to wlan0 |
| 13:21.34 | kraehe | in result ati is fine, for windows - but no go for linux |
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| 13:21.56 | kzar | (I personally hate fucking ATI cards and I wish he never bought one :( Wasn't my choice though heh) |
| 13:22.05 | cahoot | !z71 |
| 13:22.13 | wols | !z70 |
| 13:22.20 | themill | !70 |
| 13:22.20 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 13:22.34 | themill | (3rd time lucky) |
| 13:22.44 | wols | kzar: give it some time and radon will work fine |
| 13:22.47 | kraehe | the nvidia problem is a bit different: they only provide close source drivers, but they have a team doing a good job to maintain it |
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| 13:23.28 | cahoot | gh0st: you can simply remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, then run udevadm trigger |
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| 13:25.16 | gh0st | cahoot thank u |
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| 13:26.43 | ePax | Is is possible to boot to other OS from debian once if i have dualboot? |
| 13:27.33 | kzar | Here's the funny part.. guess why he picked the ATI card.. he wanted DirectX 11 (or some number) support so it was 'future-proof'. Nevermind we're on Linux here |
| 13:27.41 | wols | yes it's possible. grub can boot pretty much any other OS |
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| 13:27.57 | kraehe | ePax, its possible, but dual boot is evil. You take the burden to install Linux, to play under windows again. Better install Sun VirtualBox under Windows, and install Linux inside an VBox |
| 13:28.29 | icebrain | kraehe: why is dualboot evil? |
| 13:28.36 | ePax | kraehe: Actually i have already dualboot. |
| 13:29.05 | icebrain | kraehe: you have to install Linux anyway, might as well ditch Windows while you run it |
| 13:29.37 | maligor | kzar, the dx11 features are exposed in opengl also afaik |
| 13:29.52 | robbe- | you get to keep the windows security and stability and yet are able to run linux in a vbox </sarcasm> |
| 13:29.53 | kraehe | icebrain, because you can only use one OS per time. Linux does not need own keyboard, mouse, screen. Linux feels as fine inside a VBox, or a 19" rack. |
| 13:30.07 | kzar | maligor: Whoops now I feel silly |
| 13:30.15 | kzar | heh |
| 13:30.26 | wiko | fechte |
| 13:30.42 | icebrain | kraehe: what about graphics acceleration or any other kind of hardware control? |
| 13:31.03 | icebrain | kzar: unless you really need to use both OSes at the same time, I would go for dual boot |
| 13:31.07 | maligor | kzar, the dx11 ati parts don't have opensource drivers quite yet tho |
| 13:31.13 | icebrain | kzar: sorry, kraehe |
| 13:31.27 | kraehe | do you play any linux 3d games, icebrain ? |
| 13:31.33 | icebrain | kraehe: yes |
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| 13:31.49 | icebrain | I watch HD movies too |
| 13:31.53 | kraehe | e.g. secondlife is known to run better under linux than under windows, if you have nvidia card of at least 8xxx line |
| 13:32.19 | icebrain | kraehe: exactly. but not if you run Linux inside a VM |
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| 13:32.53 | kraehe | opengl requires native hardware - lucky i dont play windows ;-) |
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| 13:35.03 | kraehe | most people play windows games, and 'only' need linux to learn how to admin a server (xen root servers are cheap euro4/month - and suddenly you are your own admin) - vbox is the choice for this case, imho - people who game under linux (like me) might only see windows through rdesktop, and then vbox is the choice again |
| 13:35.22 | x3cu710n3r | got vncserver installed on debian now... but when i connect from my desktop pc with win the key's are all messed up.. s=b, spacebar=7 etc |
| 13:35.55 | x3cu710n3r | been trying to change the keyboard settings in debian but no luck :( |
| 13:36.00 | gh0st | cahoot: re, its done but now i have non-stop on the screen |
| 13:36.14 | gh0st | [ 42.379245] rt2800usb_write_tx_desc - start - entry (4) queue (0) - l2pad (0) |
| 13:36.20 | gh0st | [ 42.386015] skblen (70), tx pktlen (88) burst (0) WIV (1) |
| 13:37.21 | gh0st | kprint |
| 13:37.50 | gh0st | maybe i need to stop the debug? |
| 13:38.00 | gh0st | from rt2x00 |
| 13:38.20 | cahoot | hardly related to udev |
| 13:38.51 | kzar | wols Titan8990: Well I think the latest module from ATI installed (making a .deb failed but the direct 'just install it' option worked) and now aticonfig --initial doesn't segfault.. Going to restart X and see if it worked. Thanks for the advice |
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| 13:39.13 | gh0st | how can i stop * from kernel without re-compile? |
| 13:39.31 | x3cu710n3r | anyone got an idea on how to solve this? |
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| 13:41.01 | Titan8990 | gh0st: you mean something that is built-in to the kernel? |
| 13:41.53 | gh0st | yes |
| 13:41.55 | eviltoasterLIA | hmff, im trying to clone my debian / usb stick installation to a new usb stick but all i got is a "j" at boot. when i copy from usb stick to harddrive everything is okey after grub and chown/chmod fixes |
| 13:41.59 | gh0st | Titan8990: yes |
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| 13:46.09 | Titan8990 | gh0st: and which feature is that? |
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| 13:46.22 | cahoot | gh0st: I think you could echo some value to /proc/sys/kernel/printk to change logmsgs - don't ask me what and how |
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| 13:46.37 | gh0st | what |
| 13:46.52 | gh0st | Titan8990: Ralink debugfs support and Ralink debug output |
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| 13:47.30 | marcus_ | hi. i am working on a preseeded installation. does anyone know if a preseed file could be fetched via nfs (using the preseed/url= directive)? |
| 13:47.49 | cahoot | gh0st: http://old.nabble.com/Suppressing-kernel-%27printk%27s.-td15280888.html |
| 13:48.58 | gh0st | i wrote dmesg -n 1 |
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| 13:49.58 | gh0st | cahoot: ok thanks |
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| 13:52.03 | initmax | hi all ! who know how need import database to Mysql ? |
| 13:52.03 | initmax | I set mysql --host=127.0.0.1 --user=root --password=mypass initmax < initmax_database.sql, but dont get result |
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| 13:53.40 | wols | initmax: tried phpmyadmin? |
| 13:54.02 | iceroot | initmax: mysql -u root -p initmax < initmax_database.sql |
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| 13:54.34 | iceroot | initmax: then enter your passwort and NEVER put a password in a cli-call |
| 13:54.49 | iceroot | initmax: history will tell you why |
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| 13:56.09 | iceroot | initmax: and ps will tell you too (but not in the case of mysql because mysql is rewriting the processlist and replacing password with ****) |
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| 13:59.28 | gh0st | cahoot: thx works |
| 13:59.35 | gh0st | i remember that |
| 13:59.37 | gh0st | good url |
| 14:00.46 | gh0st | but why on boot it splits info/boot/information of kernel on 2 ttys? |
| 14:00.52 | gh0st | tty1 and tty6 aways |
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| 14:01.13 | x3cu710n3r | what's the best Remote Controller for debian? |
| 14:01.23 | x3cu710n3r | that has correct keymapping cross platform |
| 14:01.42 | nsadmin | a remote controller that's the best! of course! |
| 14:02.17 | nsadmin | umm what's a remote controller? |
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| 14:02.36 | x3cu710n3r | let's you access the desktop of one computer from another computer |
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| 14:02.43 | x3cu710n3r | VNC is one |
| 14:02.43 | gh0st | who can help |
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| 14:03.02 | gh0st | why on boot it splits info/boot/information of kernel on 2 ttys? |
| 14:03.06 | x3cu710n3r | but vnc keymapping is truly messed up |
| 14:03.15 | nsadmin | you can do kinda the opposite with Xnest |
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| 14:06.16 | x3cu710n3r | nsadmin... ill check it out |
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| 14:07.28 | maligor | x3cu710n3r, does it need to have a gui? |
| 14:07.34 | maligor | since... you can just use ssh |
| 14:08.15 | x3cu710n3r | well i just installed linux for the first time last night... so i'm still elarning |
| 14:08.23 | x3cu710n3r | i know i have ssh installed |
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| 14:08.42 | x3cu710n3r | so if there's an easier way to access the terminal on mylaptopn from my win desktop |
| 14:08.52 | x3cu710n3r | then i sure will try that out |
| 14:09.08 | x3cu710n3r | or something :P sorry for truly noob questions |
| 14:09.12 | iceroot | x3cu710n3r: putty |
| 14:09.15 | maligor | install openssh-server and 'putty' on the windows |
| 14:09.26 | maligor | it'll give you a text shell |
| 14:09.26 | x3cu710n3r | i have the openssh-server installed already |
| 14:09.45 | x3cu710n3r | ill check it after i've had a smoke |
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| 14:12.09 | nsadmin | x3cu710n3r why do you want to access its terminal? what are you trying to accomplish exactly |
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| 14:18.40 | ambuli | why the tarball is moved from .tar.gz to orig.tar.gz while i make create debian package ? |
| 14:18.56 | ambuli | could some one guide what is the concept behind this .orig ?? :) |
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| 14:19.32 | nsadmin | not orig, debian native package. |
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| 14:20.34 | nsadmin | native packages are very rare and unless you know what it is (find out about it, it's documented), you very likely don't need it, and orig.tar.gz is the right thing |
| 14:20.52 | x3cu710n3r | nsadmin: hell i dunno.. i'm just trying to act like i know something about this topic :P j/k |
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| 14:21.01 | abrotman | ambuli: have you read the packaging docs ? |
| 14:21.32 | x3cu710n3r | basicly what i wanna do is to run debian on my laptop.. but be able to get full control of it from a remote computer |
| 14:21.33 | ambuli | abrotman, yes, it is confusing hence asked. |
| 14:21.47 | nsadmin | you could just ssh into it |
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| 14:23.05 | nsadmin | you're saying you want to control its terminal, but much more likely all you need is to have your own terminal and use it to contact the laptop\ |
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| 14:23.38 | ambuli | abrotman, is it anyway related to non-native and native debian package ? |
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| 14:25.18 | x3cu710n3r | nsadmin: my own terminal to contact my laptop? hmm |
| 14:25.44 | nsadmin | for example, putty running on windows is a terminal emulator |
| 14:25.55 | x3cu710n3r | ah ok |
| 14:26.27 | x3cu710n3r | let me try it |
| 14:26.43 | nsadmin | you don't actually want a real terminal... it's a big box with a monitor, keyboard and serial port which you connect with a serial cable |
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| 14:27.04 | jelly | not that big :-) |
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| 14:27.27 | nsadmin | well it is bulky |
| 14:27.29 | jelly | VT420 had a what, 11" CRT? |
| 14:27.33 | nsadmin | hard to lift |
| 14:27.39 | x3cu710n3r | but for people not knowing anything about this at all (e.g my fiance, hehe) to connect to the laptop... |
| 14:27.52 | x3cu710n3r | i'm storing all pictures we take etc on it |
| 14:28.10 | jelly | I sometimes fantasize about buying an amber one for sentimental value |
| 14:28.22 | nsadmin | are you the she part or is your fiance |
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| 14:28.44 | nsadmin | I'm asking because I might say he or she to refer to |
| 14:28.46 | x3cu710n3r | she's the she :P |
| 14:28.53 | x3cu710n3r | i'm the he |
| 14:29.06 | nsadmin | as you are he as you are me |
| 14:29.13 | nsadmin | goo goo goo joob |
| 14:29.28 | nsadmin | ok enough beatles |
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| 14:30.13 | nsadmin | so she's going to want to shell in? |
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| 14:30.33 | nsadmin | and type shell commands? |
| 14:30.48 | nsadmin | see this is why I'm asking what you want to accomplish :) |
| 14:30.56 | x3cu710n3r | hehe ok :) |
| 14:31.03 | x3cu710n3r | i'll try to explain better :) |
| 14:31.21 | x3cu710n3r | we store all pictures we take of our son etc on the laptop |
| 14:31.41 | x3cu710n3r | and sometimes she wants to get some pictures from the laptop to her own comptuer |
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| 14:32.01 | x3cu710n3r | basicly the laptop should work as a sort of fileserver or somethign |
| 14:32.04 | x3cu710n3r | :) |
| 14:32.08 | feisar | samba |
| 14:32.11 | nsadmin | ok, why not run a web server on the laptop that's capable of serving the photos |
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| 14:32.21 | x3cu710n3r | like what? :) |
| 14:32.51 | nsadmin | samba might be another choice if she knows how to mount the shares you would define on the laptop |
| 14:32.53 | x3cu710n3r | i heard someone talk about something called samba |
| 14:32.55 | x3cu710n3r | hehe |
| 14:33.30 | feisar | samba can be used to share folders from linux so they can be viewed on a windows machine |
| 14:33.39 | nsadmin | samba defines file shares and printer shares that windows boxes can connect to |
| 14:33.47 | feisar | but a web server might be just as useful |
| 14:34.03 | SPF | not if you need to copy large amounts of files |
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| 14:34.34 | x3cu710n3r | we're talking thousands of pictures |
| 14:34.44 | feisar | or can't windows 7 mount nfs shares now? |
| 14:34.45 | x3cu710n3r | that's stored on the laptop |
| 14:34.49 | nsadmin | it sounds like what she wants to do is look at the pictures you have and pick from her seeing them |
| 14:34.52 | feisar | or did I dream that |
| 14:35.23 | x3cu710n3r | nsadmin: in some cases, but also move over to her own computer |
| 14:35.43 | feisar | what version of windowsa does she run? |
| 14:35.51 | x3cu710n3r | vista 32 |
| 14:36.08 | x3cu710n3r | and also move from her computer to the laptop when new ones been taken |
| 14:36.11 | jelly | feisar: some versions of win7 have services-for-unix installed by default. Enterprise and Ultimate, I think. |
| 14:36.28 | jelly | feisar: those have a mount command that does nfs |
| 14:36.31 | nsadmin | so she probably doesn't want it so that the only way she can refer to it is as 20100315-1714.jpg |
| 14:36.56 | feisar | jelly: cheers |
| 14:37.06 | x3cu710n3r | nsadmin: that would be correct |
| 14:37.35 | feisar | I think your best bet is going to be samba, then mount them as network drives on her computer |
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| 14:37.50 | nsadmin | so either you want to mount a file system on the laptop and have an application on her machine that shows her thumbnails |
| 14:37.52 | nsadmin | or |
| 14:38.00 | x3cu710n3r | that's why i thought about something like vnc or something simular..that also could move files between comptuer |
| 14:38.01 | x3cu710n3r | s |
| 14:38.03 | nsadmin | it could be done as a web app |
| 14:38.14 | feisar | you don't want vnc |
| 14:38.16 | nsadmin | they should exist |
| 14:38.24 | Titan8990 | recommends freeNX over vnc |
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| 14:38.58 | PinkFreud | vnc does not do file transfer |
| 14:39.00 | roe | is there a way to tell why icedove-3.0 isn't in sid yet? |
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| 14:39.24 | nsadmin | !why is icedove not in unstable |
| 14:39.25 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, nsadmin |
| 14:39.25 | x3cu710n3r | PinkFreud: yeah i figured that out :P |
| 14:39.28 | PinkFreud | rdesktop can do so, but it's slow. |
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| 14:39.46 | x3cu710n3r | how slow? |
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| 14:39.55 | PinkFreud | if you're only looking for file transfer capability, I'd suggest samba |
| 14:40.05 | nsadmin | these are not what you want for your fiance |
| 14:40.17 | Titan8990 | x3cu710n3r: I get better performance via rdp than vnc.... |
| 14:40.39 | PinkFreud | x3cu710n3r: slower than samba. remote desktop utils that implement file transfer largely do so as an afterthought. it's not terribly efficient or fast. |
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| 14:41.12 | feisar | samba or, if you have more knowledge with a web server knock up something with apache (or lighttpd) |
| 14:41.17 | \amethyst | roe: it is in experimental but is not in incoming afaict, so the maintainers have probably not yet decided it's ready for uploading |
| 14:41.30 | x3cu710n3r | ok... cause we're talking transfering between 0.5-1gb whenever there's new pictures taken |
| 14:42.07 | jelly | roe: it's not ready yet? |
| 14:42.13 | jelly | judd: versions icedove |
| 14:42.15 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1; experimental: 3.0.3-1 |
| 14:42.20 | \amethyst | roe: you might try checking mailing list archives at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/ |
| 14:42.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | how should I configure my debian lenny to use timidity as alsa midi device? |
| 14:42.27 | PinkFreud | x3cu710n3r: is there a particular reason you need remote desktop capability? |
| 14:42.32 | feisar | x3cu710n3r: your answer is samba or a web server. Personally I would use samba |
| 14:42.58 | roe | jelly, I assumed it wasn't ready yet, but I was interested to know what about it wasn't ready. \amethyst will do, thanks |
| 14:43.11 | nsadmin | you have to start timidity as an alsa sequencer client |
| 14:43.13 | x3cu710n3r | PinkFreud: cause my fiance.. :) |
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| 14:43.54 | x3cu710n3r | so i dont need to help her all the time :P |
| 14:44.10 | nsadmin | the easiest way is to burn dvds containing all the pics |
| 14:44.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: I know how to start it as alsa sequencer client, but I'd like to know the debian way to automatically launch it every time I boot, or should I just put the command in rc.local? |
| 14:44.35 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 14:44.36 | x3cu710n3r | hehe |
| 14:45.00 | x3cu710n3r | i know that's the easiest... :) |
| 14:45.26 | nsadmin | well you take a left at the coke can, go 10 feet, then turn left at debian way |
| 14:45.34 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: it has its own init script, doesn't it? |
| 14:45.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: timidity? |
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| 14:46.27 | PinkFreud | x3cu710n3r: in that case, if she's using a professional or business release of windows, you can always turn on remote desktop and use rdesktop from the linux side |
| 14:46.28 | Lartza_ | Can debian installer shrink NTFS partition? |
| 14:46.52 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: yes |
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| 14:46.57 | Lartza_ | And can you choose how much space you want from the partition for Debian? |
| 14:47.03 | PinkFreud | Lartza_: debian installer, no. look into using a gparted boot cd first |
| 14:47.20 | ePax | I used one howto on chrooting ssh from howtoforge... i added 2 users and when trying to login with user thrue ssh i get dissconeccted with message user uid not found? |
| 14:47.22 | Lartza_ | Or WIndows shrinking tool then :P |
| 14:47.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: well I don't know, I guess I'll check etc/init.d |
| 14:47.54 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: dpkg -L packagename shows contents of a package |
| 14:48.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: it does have an init script |
| 14:48.48 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: you will also need a decent patchset. freepats were of rather uneven quality last time I looked. |
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| 14:49.07 | \amethyst | ePax: is that user in chroot/etc/passwd ? |
| 14:49.18 | \amethyst | ePax: and chroot/etc/shadow |
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| 14:50.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: yeah it sounds horrible :O |
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| 14:51.56 | ePax | \amethyst: it seems like i dont have etc passwd and shadown in chrooted dir. |
| 14:52.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: and if I want to reduce the sound latency I need a special kernel build, right? |
| 14:54.13 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: you also can use soundfont files .sf2 with timidity, of course you need to touch the timidity.cfg, they are good free GM on the net |
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| 14:55.19 | \amethyst | ePax: it sounds like ssh (or something) is trying to authenticate inside the chroot, so you probably need those |
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| 14:55.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: are there any good sound fonts in the repo? |
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| 14:56.24 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: I dont know ... but you can find free soundfont files on the net. |
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| 14:57.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: well I'll try the repo sound files first, thanks |
| 14:57.30 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: fkuid-soundfont-gm and gs ... but .. good or not .. is a good question |
| 14:57.35 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: sound fonts are not free enough for Debian. google for "Fluid R3" or "General User GS" |
| 14:58.17 | jelly | hah, Fluid's packaged? |
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| 14:58.30 | Holborn | maybe is from debian multimedia .. waut .. |
| 14:58.55 | jelly | judd: versions |
| 14:58.56 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 14:58.58 | jelly | judd: versions fluid-soundfont-gs |
| 14:58.59 | judd | fluid-soundfont-gs -- lenny: 3.1-1; sid: 3.1-4; squeeze: 3.1-4 |
| 14:59.04 | jelly | in main |
| 14:59.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | i'm currently downloading those |
| 14:59.15 | jelly | didn't know |
| 15:00.04 | ePax | \amethyst: Now eheni log in as user to chrroted shell user gets uid 0... and home dir does not popup |
| 15:00.18 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: Fluid R3 is good enough. General User GS is much smaller, but the whole set sounds more well rounded to me |
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| 15:00.35 | \amethyst | ePax: but in chroot/etc/passwd the user's uid isn't 0? |
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| 15:00.56 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: also, fluidsynth sounds a bit nicer than timidity but uses A LOT more CPU |
| 15:01.23 | ePax | \amethyst: no it isnt |
| 15:01.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: I've an amd athlong x2 64 5200+, it's a dual core with 2,6ghz |
| 15:02.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: so you'd suggest me to use fluidsynth instead of timidity? |
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| 15:02.15 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: no, try both. |
| 15:02.31 | jelly | timidity has lots of tunables |
| 15:02.32 | PinkFreud | KaffeeJunky123: ahh, is that similar to an athshort? |
| 15:02.35 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 15:02.41 | jelly | quack |
| 15:02.45 | PinkFreud | lol |
| 15:03.02 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: then you can use qsynth that use the fluidsynth engine .. and is more friendly .. about fluidsynth vs timidity flame ... better don't sounds ... sounds different ... :-) |
| 15:03.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | Well I mainly need it for tuxguitar |
| 15:04.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't intend to make electronic music with a software synth |
| 15:04.40 | ePax | \its working now :D |
| 15:05.24 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: the thing about MIDI files is you that need to remix, for each soundfont or synthesizer that you will use, because even the hardware synths ( emu10k1 ...) sounds really different each soundfont and the level for each sound vary .... |
| 15:05.25 | \amethyst | ePax: what was wrong? |
| 15:05.59 | ePax | \amethyst: It was SFTP setting in the sshd_config that was wrong |
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| 15:06.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: about hardware synths, how can I find out if my soundcard supports midi ? |
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| 15:09.34 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: supports midi? ... well a thing is MIDI In/Out .. and another thing is a internal hardware synthesizer .... card with hardware synthesizer are few .. and most are from Creative Labs ( sblive, audigy ...) ... they are cards that supports MIDI In/Out by the game port, but you need a special "cable", and they are special MIDI interfaces also .... the best is consult the user manual :-) |
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| 15:10.05 | MrTorque | hi. If i remove a user with deluser USERNAME, the user is not deleted from all the groups he is in. I would need to do sth. like sed -e "s/USER//g" </etc/group >/etc/groupnew ... is there a command which does what i want? |
| 15:10.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: my sister stole my audigy card, so I'm left with my nvidia onboard sound :O |
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| 15:13.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: it doesn't seem to have midi support, but well atleast it has got 8channel hd sound |
| 15:13.45 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: they are hundred of onboard soundcards .. and most dont support MIDI ... MIDI is a serial protocol, if you have serial ports they are alos external hardware that can be connected to a serial port, that can be configured on the BIOS to run as MIDI interface ... but .. this is a long story .. |
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| 15:15.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: I need a faster internet connection, I'm still downloading the sound fonts :O |
| 15:15.28 | Holborn | :-) |
| 15:16.02 | SlapChopVince | there are many inexpensive usb midi interfaces |
| 15:16.26 | SlapChopVince | http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno.html |
| 15:16.30 | MrTorque | how do i remove a (deleted) user from all the groups he was member of? |
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| 15:16.51 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: Fluid soundfont is really large ... the are good 8 Mb soundfonts on the net .. and if you want a lilttle bit more osund quality .. the "Personal Copy" one sounds decent .. and is 64 Mbs .. |
| 15:17.06 | rvsjoen | mrtorque: deleted how |
| 15:17.18 | rvsjoen | mrtorque: removing a home directory does not delete a user |
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| 15:18.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: well, at first I'll need to figure out how to configure timidity or fluidsynth to use those sound fonts ^^ |
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| 15:18.31 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: that is true |
| 15:18.41 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: so i delete with deluser --remove-home $USER |
| 15:19.01 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: Still, grep /etc/group $USER finds entrys. |
| 15:19.33 | rvsjoen | mrtorque: use userdel |
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| 15:20.08 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: in the man page: userdel is a low level utility for removing users. On Debian, administrators should usually use deluser(8) instead. |
| 15:20.16 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: which is why i did not use it. |
| 15:20.39 | rvsjoen | oh |
| 15:20.41 | rvsjoen | sorry |
| 15:20.42 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: if you have plan to use fluidsynth ... I recommend to use qsynth that is a qt frontend of fluidsynth .. easy to configure .... to configure timidity you need do edit the timidity.cfg that now is really hard .. |
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| 15:21.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: well, I'm kinda used to editing config files, as long as I've a good doc on it i'll work out how things function :) |
| 15:21.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: but thanks for the tip |
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| 15:22.27 | jelly | Holborn, KaffeeJunky123: also, some cards support or help with midi synth, but require firmware to set up their DSP programming. ALSA drivers seldom provide the firmware or use that functionality. |
| 15:23.18 | Holborn | KaffeeJunky123: fluidsynth package install a .cfg to use with timidiy ... if you have plan to use external soundfonts ... backup your timidity.cfg and edit a new one with a single line: soundfont "blablabla.sf2" |
| 15:23.18 | jelly | Windows now comes with its own small licensed softsynth anyway so reproduction of midi files works out of the box |
| 15:23.49 | SlapChopVince | what jelly said (about dsp) - you'll likely need to set up alsa-oss |
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| 15:23.53 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: but at least, userdel will (not like deluser) delete the $USER-group. |
| 15:24.09 | rvsjoen | mrtorque: I really thought the 'correct' one of those would clear out the user from groups |
| 15:24.21 | jelly | SlapChopVince: Eh? alsa-oss is not relevant for midi |
| 15:24.42 | SlapChopVince | no but its relevant to dsp |
| 15:24.57 | SlapChopVince | just sayin |
| 15:25.02 | Holborn | I think this DSP was not /dev/dsp :-) |
| 15:25.07 | jelly | SlapChopVince: I meant hardware DSP inside the card. |
| 15:25.31 | SlapChopVince | oh |
| 15:25.36 | SlapChopVince | shuts up |
| 15:25.49 | MrTorque | rvsjoen: as far as i see, it doesn't. So i need to delete the Group which has the same name as the $USER and i need to delete the user from all groups he is in. |
| 15:26.01 | jelly | go, er, cut your cooked veggies |
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| 15:26.24 | jae | Which current (Debian) identd would people here recommend? |
| 15:29.16 | leg- | jae : oidentd |
| 15:30.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: in qsynth I've to set an option called audio device, how do I find out the value I have to enter? |
| 15:31.00 | ambuli | hi all, is there any way to avoid replacing the existing file while running dpkg-source -b <dir> ? |
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| 15:33.55 | RichiH | isn't there a single cpan module that can give me the size of a directory in debian's repository? |
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| 15:35.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: oh well, i've set it to default and qsynth doesn't complain anymore |
| 15:36.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | Holborn: but I don't get any sound in tuxguitar :/ |
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| 15:36.19 | \amethyst | leg-: personally I would prefer: if (( ERRORCODE >= 23 && ERRORCODE <= 25 )) |
| 15:36.21 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 15:40.57 | themill | RichiH: $size=`du -ks`; ? |
| 15:41.17 | themill | hides |
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| 15:43.04 | jelly | !wayttd RichiH |
| 15:43.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, RichiH? |
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| 15:44.36 | MrTorque | i found out that usermod -G '' $USER works great :) |
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| 15:47.47 | joepa | anyhow know how to find the device node for a usb hdd? |
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| 15:49.13 | \amethyst | joepa: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 15:49.28 | pallgone | I have heard some people have trouble with intel video and kernel 2.6.32/squeeze, is that true? |
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| 15:50.39 | \amethyst | joepa: it will probably start with 'usb-', and if you have multiple USB storage devices you can identify it by the vendor, model, and/or serial number there |
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| 15:50.55 | \amethyst | joepa: blkid gives you the same info |
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| 15:51.58 | joepa | thanks, \amethyst |
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| 15:56.06 | RichiH | themill: unclean! |
| 15:56.22 | RichiH | jelly: get the size of a directory and all subdirs & files in perl |
| 15:56.42 | RichiH | with modules that are available with apt-get, i.e. have clean, native packages |
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| 15:58.07 | themill | RichiH: since when did perl and clean go together :P but the shellout is always going to be the fastest approach... |
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| 16:02.29 | edwin_quijada | There is an app to take a backup for whole disk |
| 16:02.42 | edwin_quijada | I mean like an image |
| 16:03.07 | edwin_quijada | I need to get backup from my server |
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| 16:04.19 | ethanol | rsync |
| 16:04.29 | ethanol | snapshot tools |
| 16:04.30 | ethanol | google |
| 16:04.41 | edwin_quijada | thks |
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| 16:08.54 | linc0ln | hi |
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| 16:26.46 | plus_M | I installed kde-full, but now I want to remove kdegames, but apt won't let me without removing ALL of KDE. How do I just remove kdegames without removing all of KDE? |
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| 16:27.30 | iloveyou | plus_M: mark the kde meta packages you want as manually installed? |
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| 16:29.03 | plus_M | Also my /usr partition is full =/ |
| 16:29.35 | iloveyou | plus_M: shouldn't matter. marking them as manually installed only takes a couple of bytes in a different partition, as far as I understand. |
| 16:30.20 | plus_M | how do you "mark as manually installed" without just saying "apt-get install kde-minimal" for instance |
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| 16:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | plus_M: Let me guess, there's still plenty of space on the drive, right? |
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| 16:31.33 | themill | plus_M: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 16:31.34 | iloveyou | plus_M: just saying "aptitude install kdebase kdeartwork kdeadmin kdeaccessibility kdeother kdestuff" should mark them as manually installed |
| 16:31.34 | plus_M | /dev/sda5 4806904 4805184 0 100% /usr |
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| 16:32.35 | plus_M | jhutchins_lt: I dunno, is 1200 bytes plenty? |
| 16:32.44 | d | can i ask a question? |
| 16:32.47 | plus_M | kb rather |
| 16:33.16 | plus_M | Guest92766: you just did |
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| 16:37.02 | plus_M | iloveyou: I do that, but when I try to remove kdegames it still wants to remove all of KDE, because I still have the kde-full metapackage installed |
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| 16:38.11 | \amethyst | plus_M: aptitude unmarkauto '~R^kde-full$' |
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| 16:38.20 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
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| 16:38.27 | \amethyst | plus_M: then you can aptitude remove kde-full without removing the packages it depends on |
| 16:38.38 | HardDisk_WP | whats the dpkg-bot key for the easy-NAT-gateway howto? |
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| 16:39.18 | HardDisk_WP | I gots a nice shiny Atom machine with two GBit LAN NICs and want to use one for ADSL PPPoE WAN, and the second one to go to the central switch |
| 16:39.25 | \amethyst | plus_M: maybe also aptitude unmarkauto '~RRecommends:^kde-full$' if you have install-recommend at the default setting of on |
| 16:40.03 | plus_M | argh |
| 16:41.05 | tabris|away | HardDisk_WP: i dunno about a bot key, but one of the simpler places to start is Shorewall |
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| 16:41.43 | HardDisk_WP | tabris|away, it needs to be debian based, unfortunately, as I dont want to waste CPU resources and so the machine is also hosting a mysqld and a lighttpd |
| 16:41.47 | tabris|away | HardDisk_WP: it is |
| 16:41.52 | HardDisk_WP | Ah ok^^ |
| 16:41.54 | tabris|away | HardDisk_WP: shorewall isn't a distro, but rather a pkg |
| 16:42.01 | HardDisk_WP | Ah ok |
| 16:42.11 | plus_M | the problem I'm having is that kdebase-workspace and kdebase-workspace-bin are trying to install before it attempts to remove anything, and it is finding that /usr is full, and failing without having done anything |
| 16:42.11 | HardDisk_WP | goes googling |
| 16:42.21 | daedaluz | hello, how's Debian folks standing on LVM grouping over multiple HDD's? |
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| 16:44.13 | simonrvn | plus_M: so purge it manually |
| 16:44.24 | plus_M | But I want it installed |
| 16:44.37 | simonrvn | so clean up your /usr |
| 16:44.43 | tabris|away | plus_M: fox, chicken, cornfeed, boat. |
| 16:44.44 | plus_M | I have not put anything in there manually |
| 16:44.46 | plus_M | That is what I am trying to do |
| 16:44.55 | plus_M | Removing a bunch of kde subpackages |
| 16:45.12 | plus_M | Unfortunately it is trying to upgrade kdebase-workspace each time I try to remove kdegames for example |
| 16:45.18 | plus_M | because the package is broken |
| 16:45.27 | tabris|away | plus_M: sure, but that doesn't change the fact |
| 16:45.32 | tabris|away | plus_M: so remove the pkg temporarily |
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| 16:45.38 | tabris|away | and bring it back later when you have room. |
| 16:46.06 | plus_M | I suppose I could but a lot of packages depend on it |
| 16:46.21 | tabris|away | so remove _something else_ |
| 16:46.23 | plus_M | which is to say the whole of KDE depends on it |
| 16:46.30 | plus_M | I can't until I resolve the broken package issue |
| 16:46.36 | plus_M | because aptitude refuses to work |
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| 16:46.48 | tabris|away | plus_M: didn't i mention soething about a fox, a chicken, and cornfeed? |
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| 16:47.01 | tabris|away | plus_M: maybe you don't know that parable/riddle |
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| 16:47.11 | plus_M | I don't, but I don't think you are understanding the catch-22 I am in |
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| 16:47.17 | plus_M | I can't remove *anything* until the broken package is fixed |
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| 16:47.24 | plus_M | I can't fix the broken package until I remove *something* |
| 16:47.37 | tabris|away | plus_M: a farmer has a chicken, a bag of feed, and a fox/dog/whatever. and a boat. |
| 16:47.44 | \amethyst | plus_M: so remove all of KDE |
| 16:47.46 | tabris|away | plus_M: he can only carry one item at a time on teh boat or he'll sink |
| 16:47.56 | tabris|away | plus_M: the chicken will eat the feed, the fox will eat the chicken. |
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| 16:47.59 | \amethyst | plus_M: remove kdebase-workspace and let it follow the dependencies and remove everything KDE |
| 16:48.04 | \amethyst | plus_M: then reinstall KDE |
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| 16:48.29 | \amethyst | plus_M: since that package is broken, your KDE is broken right now, so removing it ought not hurt |
| 16:48.59 | \amethyst | plus_M: then reinstall those packages that are being uninstalled |
| 16:49.07 | \amethyst | s/are being/were/ |
| 16:49.19 | catfive1 | so i'm trying to mount an iso on a virtual debian install… and when i list the contents of the mountpoint, i get a COMPLETELY different list of files than i do when i mount it in OS x or windows… what did i do wrong? |
| 16:49.41 | plus_M | I will try |
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| 16:49.55 | scorphus | hello everyone, how do I generate a report like this: http://pastebin.com/9WiCJq2C ? thanks |
| 16:50.13 | meliowant | Greetings... Is there any way to import Outlook Event .vcs meeting to Evolution? Built-in support doesn't work :( |
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| 16:50.51 | plus_M | bah |
| 16:50.55 | plus_M | it's full again |
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| 16:51.59 | scorphus | catfive1: would you mind a pvt? |
| 16:52.07 | catfive1 | ok, something i just figured out: it's drilling way way deep into a particular directory, it seems |
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| 16:54.15 | mistrynitesh | how do i make screen to start with every terminal without getting into the loop |
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| 16:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | mistrynitesh: You can define it as your shell. |
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| 16:57.19 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: how? |
| 16:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | mistrynitesh: iirc putting it in your bashrc is the WRONG way to do it. |
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| 16:57.33 | jhutchins_lt | mistrynitesh: Do you know how to set the shell for a user? |
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| 16:57.52 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: nope :( |
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| 16:58.39 | poppiez | does anyone know why this error appears when using imagemagick and ghostscript: 'ImagickException' with message 'Postscript delegate failed no such file or directory. the file exists, imagemagick, ghostscript, ghostscript-x and gs are installed |
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| 16:58.49 | jhutchins_lt | mistrynitesh: Well, one way would be usermod -s /usr/bin/screen <username> |
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| 16:59.07 | Welsh_Dwarf | Hi all, would an upgrade from sarge to sqeeze be doable for one of my servers? (I'm ready to accept breakage as I get things sorted out afterwoulds) |
| 16:59.26 | catfive1 | hey guys, i could still use answer to my iso mounting issue, anybody? |
| 16:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | Welsh_Dwarf: I think it's recommended that you step through etch. |
| 16:59.54 | cahoot | catfive1: how do you mount? |
| 16:59.56 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: so this way, whenever i start the terminal, it will start with screen? |
| 17:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | catfive1: Interesting problem. |
| 17:00.08 | Welsh_Dwarf | jhutchins_lt : are there any etch servers left to step through? |
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| 17:00.19 | jhutchins_lt | mistrynitesh: Try it. |
| 17:00.21 | eviltoasterLIA | how long time should it take to dd one usb 8GB to another usb 8GB :S |
| 17:00.26 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: sure |
| 17:00.27 | catfive1 | cahoot: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 17:00.48 | catfive1 | worked fine for vmware tools, but this disk is drilling me waaaay down into a sub dir |
| 17:01.05 | bvk | hi, how do i switch virtual-terminals through serial console when installing using debian installer? |
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| 17:01.44 | catfive1 | jhutchins_lt: yeah i have no idea where to even begin |
| 17:01.46 | Welsh_Dwarf | OK, found one |
| 17:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Welsh_Dwarf about sarge->etch |
| 17:01.56 | catfive1 | i'd like to blame windows for making the iso wrong, but it mounts fine on my mac |
| 17:02.15 | simonrvn | sarge?! holy smokes |
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| 17:02.45 | Welsh_Dwarf | simonrvn : Yes I know, it's a machine from before my time |
| 17:02.53 | Welsh_Dwarf | I just hosed /usr/local on it :) |
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| 17:03.36 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: :( gave 'sudo usermod -s /usr/bin/screen <myusername>' and started another terminal... didn't work |
| 17:04.02 | mistrynitesh | jhutchins_lt: do i need to login again? |
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| 17:05.24 | xente | ? |
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| 17:06.44 | poppiez | does anyone know why this happens: Fatal error: Uncaught exception ‘ImagickException’ with message ‘Postscript delegate failed 'test.php': No such file or directory. the file exists, and I've also installed gs, ghostscript, php5-imagick and imagemagick. the gs executable is also is /usr/bin/. can't think of anything that might cause this |
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| 17:16.35 | mistrynitesh | is there any other way to start screen when starting terminal? |
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| 17:21.33 | gh0st | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.35 | gh0st | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33-wl root=UUID=70dc42b5-8f1a-43f9-bd03-a930546580c2 ro |
| 17:21.39 | gh0st | is that a normally? |
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| 17:22.20 | nethic | hey just a quick question folks. i've recently updated from lenny to squeeze . now when i compile a vanilla kernel under squeeze make-kpkg --initrd kerne_image . works but to no avail there is not a initrd image made |
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| 17:23.08 | gh0st | nethic: use update-initramfs -c -k 'name' |
| 17:23.15 | nethic | ok i will try that |
| 17:23.33 | gh0st | nethic: kernel name |
| 17:23.34 | wols | initd is created when you install the kernel, not before |
| 17:23.38 | gh0st | nethic: 2.6.33-vanilla e.g. |
| 17:23.45 | nethic | ok |
| 17:23.50 | wols | ghostman: why shouldn't it be normal? what do you think is unnormal there? |
| 17:23.54 | nethic | i was wondering why squeeze does this now |
| 17:24.06 | wols | gh0st: |
| 17:24.08 | nethic | as in lenny it dpkg would handle the install of the initrd |
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| 17:24.20 | gh0st | wols: my boot is not a ok |
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| 17:24.29 | wols | !tell gh0st about errors |
| 17:24.31 | gh0st | and i don't have an idea from where is problem |
| 17:24.57 | manuel__ | hi |
| 17:25.29 | manuel__ | i just updated yesterday my testing and now i have no grafics when i boot with my intel GM chip |
| 17:25.40 | nethic | gh0st thankx |
| 17:25.44 | nethic | that worked perfectly |
| 17:25.48 | nethic | =] |
| 17:25.52 | gh0st | yes |
| 17:25.58 | manuel__ | this happes right after init transfers the controls to the kernel |
| 17:26.01 | nethic | so any idea why squeeze did this ? |
| 17:26.05 | wols | gh0st: set the "quiet" kernel parameter |
| 17:26.06 | manuel__ | and then i have black screen |
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| 17:26.39 | wols | manuel__: check your Xorg logs |
| 17:26.44 | gh0st | wols: yes i have the problem on boot it splits on tty1 and tty6 info from kernel |
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| 17:26.55 | wols | gh0st: I just told you what to do |
| 17:27.36 | km0ti0n | I can't finda net install iso of squeeze, is there one avaliable? |
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| 17:28.21 | gh0st | wols: ok thanks i will try but i think i will tried that beforce i can't remember brb to test it |
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| 17:29.15 | nervousTwitch | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:29.50 | catfive1 | anybody have any advice for me? |
| 17:29.51 | km0ti0n | sweet thanks nervousTwitch |
| 17:30.04 | wols | km0ti0n: why do you need it? |
| 17:30.14 | NiLon | how I can make open port let's say 4000 to listen 0.0.0.0 and forward everything to port 5000 but connection should seem come to from localhost |
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| 17:30.36 | NiLon | like I have ip binding to 127.0.0.1 on port 5000 but I kind of need "hack" to override this |
| 17:30.59 | manuel__ | wols, ok i have (EE) No devices detected. |
| 17:31.04 | manuel__ | and no screens found |
| 17:31.29 | wols | NiLon: you don't make much sense |
| 17:31.51 | wols | you listen on a port which redirects to something else and then the connection needs to come frm localhsot to this new listener? |
| 17:32.13 | NiLon | :D |
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| 17:32.27 | sepult | wtf, why do i get symbol not found errors with modules lately ?! |
| 17:32.45 | NiLon | remote connection comes to port 4000 and it needs to be locally forwarded to port 5000 so that binded ip 127.0.0.1 will work |
| 17:33.00 | nervousTwitch | did i provide an incorrect link? |
| 17:33.12 | wols | NiLon: use ssh port forwarding |
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| 17:34.44 | marsjanek | Okay. This will probably be one of the most stupid questions asked here but how do I exactly uninstall a package? I installed apache but somehow I can't remove it properly because the service is still running. |
| 17:35.15 | wols | marsjanek: man aptitude and it will it be very obvious. hint "remove", and "purge" |
| 17:35.32 | marsjanek | so you suggest I don't use apt-get anymore? |
| 17:35.40 | wols | marsjanek: to see all installed apache packages: dpkg -l apache* |
| 17:35.49 | marsjanek | thank you, that will be very useful :) |
| 17:35.54 | wols | yes, we suggest to use aptitude. but: apt-get has the same commands |
| 17:36.53 | marsjanek | when using those remove and purge functions, will it also stop the service |
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| 17:37.03 | marsjanek | and erase all files like configuration files and runlevel inits? |
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| 17:37.39 | wols | read the manpages |
| 17:37.44 | marsjanek | okay I am |
| 17:37.59 | gh0st | wols: i tried with quite |
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| 17:39.25 | wols | gh0st: also, man proc and look for /proc/sys/kernel/printk there |
| 17:39.30 | gh0st | wols: but is still the same prob. |
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| 17:42.36 | marsjanek | wols actually in the manpages the options purge and remove aren't put in any context |
| 17:42.39 | marsjanek | or rather opposition |
| 17:42.44 | marsjanek | so I don't know the difference between them |
| 17:44.13 | wols | !purge |
| 17:44.14 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 17:46.29 | gh0st | re |
| 17:46.35 | gh0st | wols: where is printk dirs |
| 17:46.55 | wols | gh0st: I just gave you a full path |
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| 17:47.57 | gh0st | i can't remember tell me again |
| 17:48.00 | gh0st | i don't have a logs |
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| 17:50.24 | gh0st | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.25 | wols | 18:39 < wols> gh0st: also, man proc and look for /proc/sys/kernel/printk there |
| 17:51.39 | gh0st | aa ok |
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| 17:52.50 | gh0st | wols: i found the prob |
| 17:52.53 | gh0st | wols: /dev/tty /dev/tty 5 0 system:/dev/tty |
| 17:53.00 | gh0st | it goes to tty5 |
| 17:53.05 | gh0st | but i cant i edit it |
| 17:53.26 | gh0st | how can i edit /proc/tty/drivers |
| 17:53.54 | gh0st | in recovery mode |
| 17:53.55 | gh0st | ? |
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| 17:57.02 | frikinz | i have exactly the same on my running debian. I think it's a readonly file gh0st |
| 17:57.26 | gh0st | yes |
| 17:57.27 | gh0st | :( |
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| 17:59.06 | rvsjoen | you dont edit /proc |
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| 18:00.39 | simonrvn | /proc isn't even real files... |
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| 18:01.42 | frikinz | you can write into some, but not all |
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| 18:02.14 | frikinz | or is it now in /sys |
| 18:02.23 | peterrooney | it is -possible- to edit some proc entries , just not usually recommended. I'm guilty of altering printk myself. |
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| 18:02.52 | peterrooney | it seemed simpler than re-writing a pcmcia card driver. |
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| 18:03.30 | rvsjoen | and they are in /proc/sys |
| 18:04.55 | simonrvn | frikinz: same thing. r/w, r only |
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| 18:05.10 | wols | peterrooney: you rewrote a pcmcia driver to disable printk in there? why not simply disable printk output to console? |
| 18:05.26 | _sho_ | how can i search for a package, if i dont know what the packages correct name might be |
| 18:05.37 | simonrvn | peterrooney: for a quickie thing it won't matter |
| 18:05.43 | rvsjoen | _sho_: what *do* you know |
| 18:05.51 | simonrvn | you can always reboot if you mess it up :P |
| 18:06.06 | peterrooney | no, i didn't rewrite the driver. i altered printk so that the driver wouldn't flood the console. |
| 18:06.16 | _sho_ | ah, i can get it with aptitude. never mind! :) |
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| 18:06.30 | wols | peterrooney: evil. see /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 18:06.31 | simonrvn | peterrooney: you know you can tune that down eh? |
| 18:06.39 | factor | Does Debian have a way or a wrapper for sun java? |
| 18:06.43 | peterrooney | that's what i edited, /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
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| 18:06.46 | wols | !tell factor about java |
| 18:07.10 | peterrooney | changed it from 7 4 1 7 to 7 2 1 7 |
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| 18:13.37 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 18:14.38 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:15.01 | icebrain | my disk is giving me IO Errors, what's the safest way to shutdown, minimizing data loss? |
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| 18:15.45 | wols | shutdown like nroamlly. the data loss has already happened |
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| 18:17.05 | icebrain | I can't even run "shutdown", it gives me an error :P It's probably a "suspend" bug, it happened right after restarting |
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| 18:18.45 | wols | icebrain: you're here long enough to know about errors |
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| 18:20.18 | Artanis^ | Hi. |
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| 18:20.57 | Artanis^ | How can it be that if I use "iptables-save > /etc/firewall.conf" and reboot all changes are gone? |
| 18:21.03 | GPenguin_ | Hello. since a provider disconnect my public key is rejected on the remote machine for "user" but when i try for "root" i get prompted for the passphrase and i get in |
| 18:21.11 | GPenguin_ | what can i do to fix this? |
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| 18:24.32 | abrotman | Artanis^: what did you think that file would do? |
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| 18:25.26 | Artanis^ | abrotman, I save all my iptables changes too that file. and try too get it loaded at boot. |
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| 18:27.27 | Artanis^ | But seams that I must add post-up iptables-restore too /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:27.56 | rvsjoen | artanis^: is iptables enabled in your startup ? |
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| 18:29.13 | mistrynitesh | will someone please shout out my nick! please! |
| 18:29.13 | Artanis^ | rvsjoen, everything is allowed unti I manualy run the script I made. |
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| 18:30.24 | Artanis^ | rvsjoen, but seams like adding the post-up did solve it. |
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| 18:31.18 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:31.20 | rvsjoen | artanis^: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 18:31.39 | rvsjoen | artanis^: it would, this is an equivalent solution, by having it in a separate script |
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| 18:32.11 | Artanis^ | rvsjoen, yes saw that but did get a error running the first echo |
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| 18:32.55 | abrotman | Artanis^: that's one way to do it |
| 18:33.13 | abrotman | Artanis^: the pre-up is a good way to enable iptables |
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| 18:33.20 | Artanis^ | Anyway. I have been reading too much for today. I have not been running linux for years. And today I started up doing a lenny firewall. |
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| 18:34.03 | Artanis^ | Not too mension that I have been working on advanced routing on procurve switches 8 houres before that - something I also don't play with normaly. |
| 18:34.27 | Artanis^ | I'm just a bit confused :) |
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| 18:37.10 | stuart | can i get a wireless connection with debian's minimum install? |
| 18:37.43 | Titan8990 | stuart: if your card is supported and your network is not WPA encrypted |
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| 18:38.06 | stuart | Titan8990, how do i check if my network is WPA encrypted? |
| 18:38.30 | Titan8990 | stuart: wait, you mean after installation, not during? |
| 18:38.53 | stuart | Titan8990, yup, i just wanna install the minimum debian install and apt-get the packages i need |
| 18:38.56 | stuart | with wi-fi |
| 18:39.19 | Titan8990 | stuart: if you installed the laptop task you should have wireless-tools. `iwlist scan` will tell you what type of protection is on the network |
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| 18:39.59 | Titan8990 | stuart: the laptop task should also install wpa-supplicant for WPA networks |
| 18:40.01 | stuart | Titan8990, so debian's minimum install comes with wireless-tools? |
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| 18:40.25 | stuart | what's a laptop task if you don't mind me asking |
| 18:40.37 | Titan8990 | stuart: if by "minimal" you mean that you don't install any tasks, then no |
| 18:40.48 | simonrvn | a set of fixed packages |
| 18:40.58 | Titan8990 | !laptop task |
| 18:40.58 | dpkg | Laptop task packages in Lenny: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, anacron, apmd, avahi-autoipd, bluetooth, cpufrequtils, hibernate, nvclock, pcmciautils, powertop, radeontool, toshset, vbetool, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant. See <tasksel>. |
| 18:41.30 | camilop | Hey, does anyone know where I can get the image for a boot floppy? It doesn't seem to be in the same place specified on the debian wiki. |
| 18:42.06 | Titan8990 | is not sure if that stille exists |
| 18:42.23 | stuart | so a 'task' is kinda like A, AP, N packages in slackware? |
| 18:42.26 | camilop | Me neither :( It seems to have been palmed off on damnsmall |
| 18:42.42 | Titan8990 | stuart: its just a collection of packages |
| 18:43.09 | Titan8990 | camilop: computers have been able to boot from CDs and network for a very long time |
| 18:43.20 | stuart | Titan8990, okay cool. i just want a smaller install because i only have 10GB on this old laptop |
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| 18:44.32 | camilop | Titan8990: We have a *much* older laptop, only a floppy drive and it has one usb port, but won't boot to USB from the BIOS |
| 18:44.52 | camilop | Ah, no networking either. |
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| 18:45.16 | Titan8990 | camilop: sounds like a paperweight |
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| 18:46.49 | camilop | sounds like it's awesome, more like. |
| 18:47.22 | stuart | camilop, i'd use laptops like those to play x-com or rollercoaster tycoon |
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| 18:47.33 | stuart | can't play those games anymore even with a slow down software |
| 18:48.11 | AimHere | dosbox does a fairly good job of slowing down xcom |
| 18:48.40 | AimHere | And umm, Rollercoaster Tycoon is perhaps not the game you were thinking of, it was made late enough that it slows itself down |
| 18:48.51 | AimHere | You sure you don't mean Railroad Tycoon or Theme Park? |
| 18:49.08 | stuart | AimHere, oh crap yeah Theme Park |
| 18:49.09 | camilop | stuart: it was running windows98 before this, I don't think rollercoaster tycoon is going to work |
| 18:49.25 | camilop | I mean, Minesweeper was intolerably slow on this thing. |
| 18:49.27 | stuart | and maybe police quest |
| 18:49.28 | AimHere | Dosbox should slow Theme Park down too. But you should be playing RCT instead anyways |
| 18:50.25 | poppiez | how do I install the latest non-stable version of a package? specifically ghostscript? |
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| 18:50.54 | AimHere | aptitude install <whatever> |
| 18:51.05 | AimHere | After you've updated your repository index |
| 18:51.20 | wols | poppiez: what debian branch do you run currently? |
| 18:51.25 | poppiez | AimHere: but I only want the latest version for that specific package |
| 18:51.27 | poppiez | wols: lenny |
| 18:51.32 | wols | !tell poppiez about bpo |
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| 18:51.52 | wols | ,versions gs |
| 18:51.53 | judd | gs -- etch: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2; etch-security: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2; etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1 |
| 18:51.54 | stuart | how big is a normal installation of debian actually, need to calcuate what i can do with 10GB memory |
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| 18:52.28 | wols | stuart: 10GB memory? and you can fit any conceivable debian installation in 10GB |
| 18:52.33 | km | i want to any users to be able to run a script to make copy file to a directory that is not own by the users running the script, can it be done? |
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| 18:52.45 | AimHere | You sure you don't mean 10 gigs diskspace? |
| 18:52.50 | wols | !tell km about suid |
| 18:52.51 | Titan8990 | km: setuid maybe |
| 18:52.57 | stuart | ugh sorry i mean diskspace |
| 18:53.05 | km | setuid? |
| 18:53.06 | AimHere | In which case, it's possible to conceive of a debian installation that's bigger, though nobody would really want one |
| 18:53.13 | wols | km: read what dpkg PMed you |
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| 18:53.21 | poppiez | wols: okay thx |
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| 18:54.35 | AimHere | stuart, I'm not sure what a 'normal' debian installation entails. I imagine a couple of gigs would be enough for almost everything you could think of |
| 18:54.56 | stuart | AimHere, i mean all i have is 10GB, and i would really love to skimp on the installation, preferrably diong just a minimum install and apt-get'ing as i need |
| 18:55.13 | stuart | couple of gigs sounds good, i guess i'll go d/l the iso now |
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| 18:55.21 | AimHere | Well 10 gigs is plenty. Just install the base system and apt-get as needed |
| 18:55.37 | wols | !tell stuart about recommends |
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| 18:56.14 | wols | stuart: /msg dpkg apt recommends |
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| 18:57.20 | pom | Which package contain the bzip2 header files in Debian? |
| 18:58.00 | poppiez | wols: hmm, it says it's already the newest version |
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| 19:00.33 | poppiez | wols: when I search for ghostscript @ http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages it can't find it either |
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| 19:01.05 | poppiez | wols: I'll just compile it from source then |
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| 19:02.01 | stuart | is there a package list of the .iso downloads? |
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| 19:05.31 | wols | !tell poppiez about ssb |
| 19:05.44 | wols | poppiez: directly compiling from source is bad, very bad |
| 19:06.14 | poppiez | wols: why? |
| 19:06.34 | wols | cause it breaks your debian packaging system horribly |
| 19:06.43 | wols | why do you need a newer gs version? |
| 19:06.59 | poppiez | wols: because ghostscript doesn't work. segmentation faults etc. |
| 19:07.33 | wols | then compiling a new version is NOT the answer |
| 19:07.55 | poppiez | wols: then what is? ;) |
| 19:08.00 | linhis | i want to invoke a php script when i recieve mail on postfix |
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| 19:08.15 | abrotman | poppiez: why does it segfault ? |
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| 19:08.36 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.37 | poppiez | wols: I was recommended to upgrade ghostscript to the latest stable @ #ghostscript which is different from the version in the packaging system |
| 19:08.55 | abrotman | poppiez: that's not why it's segfaulting .. |
| 19:09.06 | poppiez | abrotman: no clue. I can't tell |
| 19:09.38 | stuart | if i just want a netinst + wireless capabilities, i'll need to download the first CD .iso only? |
| 19:09.43 | poppiez | abrotman: this it what happens: http://pastebin.com/7RhPD1hq |
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| 19:10.37 | Artanis^ | Hmm. If I want my server too use 2 dns for AD domain a, and 2 dns for AD domain b. |
| 19:10.41 | joshteam | how come on lenny ssh isn't found for apt-get install :/ |
| 19:10.49 | wols | poppiez: what wlan chip? |
| 19:11.00 | wols | joshteam: pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:11.10 | Artanis^ | I start with search domain.local, then add nameserver, then next domain.local and nameserver again. ? |
| 19:11.24 | poppiez | wols: wlan chip? why? |
| 19:11.33 | abrotman | poppiez: strace? gdb ? .. that's not useful |
| 19:11.35 | wols | cause many need firmware which debian cant distribute |
| 19:12.04 | poppiez | wols: okay. no wlan here. it's a server |
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| 19:12.15 | poppiez | abrotman: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 19:12.22 | wols | poppoops. was for stuart |
| 19:12.24 | joshteam | wols: http://pastebin.com/9U5bB76R |
| 19:12.25 | wols | stuart: what wlan chip? |
| 19:12.44 | wols | !tell joshteam about sources.list |
| 19:12.46 | stuart | wols, how do i check, because it's currently running windows |
| 19:12.54 | wols | joshteam: you need to add a debian main repository |
| 19:13.06 | wols | stuart: go into your devÃce manager |
| 19:13.16 | wols | right click on the wlan device, select properties. |
| 19:13.25 | joshteam | wols: thanks - will google |
| 19:13.41 | wols | joshteam: there is no need to google. read what dpkg told you |
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| 19:13.53 | joshteam | i ran aptitude update |
| 19:14.04 | poppiez | abrotman: ah, okay. just googled strace. hang on, will pastebin |
| 19:14.05 | joshteam | but I inferred from your statement I am missing a source? |
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| 19:14.28 | stuart | wols, gimme a sec, gotta start it up |
| 19:14.30 | wols | joshteam: yes |
| 19:14.43 | joshteam | wols: so I need to find that source (google) right? |
| 19:14.48 | stuart | anyway, can i select what i want to install? e.g: just base system + a few packages |
| 19:14.50 | joshteam | I don't think aptitude update adds it? |
| 19:14.56 | wols | joshteam: no. you need to read what dpkg told you |
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| 19:15.12 | joshteam | lol my bad |
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| 19:16.20 | joshteam | thanks wols |
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| 19:16.59 | Artanis^ | Hmm. If I want my server too use 2 dns for AD domain a, and 2 dns for AD domain b. |
| 19:17.01 | Artanis^ | I start with search domain.local, then add nameserver, then next domain.local and nameserver again. ? |
| 19:17.43 | stuart | wols, Dell wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-card |
| 19:17.50 | wols | stuart: that is not a chip |
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| 19:18.02 | jelly | Artanis^: no, it doesn't work that way. |
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| 19:18.24 | wols | stuart: go to the advanced tab and read the device isntance id. it tells you pci vendor and device. both 4letter hex numbers |
| 19:18.33 | Artanis^ | jelly: Can you enligth me? |
| 19:18.50 | poppiez | abrotman: hmm, there's over 16k lines, lol |
| 19:19.31 | jelly | Artanis^: if you want to ask different .local servers to different domains, you'll have to configure one pair (eg. a) to know where to ask for b, and use _only_ those in your nameserver lines |
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| 19:19.49 | stuart | hm there's no device instsance id here |
| 19:19.51 | factor | How can I setup sun java's jdk as default over openjdks runtime environement |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives |
| 19:20.16 | wols | stuart: you are wrong |
| 19:20.22 | stuart | wols, what would an example look like |
| 19:20.30 | jelly | Artanis^: your provider of AD/DNS server software might have better ways to arrange this, perhaps the different domains could somehow know about each other. Ask MS. |
| 19:20.32 | wols | stuart: ther eis a combo list (which by default shows "device instance id" |
| 19:21.01 | wols | stuart: http://techpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/device-instance-path.jpg |
| 19:21.22 | mns | I want to have email for local accounts (root, etc.) to be delivered locally, everything else to go out via a smarthost. there isn't an option like this when using dpkg-reconfigure for exim4 or postfix. Does anyone have this setup with exim4 ? |
| 19:21.36 | stuart | oh |
| 19:21.40 | Artanis^ | jelly: thats the problem. They can't. |
| 19:21.43 | stuart | now that i can understand. |
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| 19:21.56 | jelly | Artanis^: another alternative is to set up a separate dns recursor service like dnscache and configure it to know which authoritative servers to ask for particular domains |
| 19:22.07 | factor | <abrotman> which one is for sun java |
| 19:22.08 | stuart | wols, VEN_14E4 DEV_4315 |
| 19:22.21 | wols | ,pciid 14E4:4315 |
| 19:22.23 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 19:22.28 | Artanis^ | Hmm. Its only for 7 hosts. Guess that I just over this and put them in hosts then. |
| 19:22.34 | wols | !tell stuart about kmuto |
| 19:22.38 | Artanis^ | Thanks for your help anyway Jelly :) |
| 19:22.40 | factor | <abrotman> ok I see it has a -l list option |
| 19:23.05 | jelly | Artanis^: you have 7 hosts... and 4 AD servers and two domains... and cannot reconfigure them? o.O |
| 19:23.19 | poppiez | abrotman: you there? :) |
| 19:23.22 | stuart | wols, thanks, what's that link for |
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| 19:23.47 | wols | stuart: read what judd above wrote |
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| 19:24.02 | factor | <abrotman> thanks that worked |
| 19:24.04 | Artanis^ | jelly: I have 7 hosts with backup exec agents that internal network behind firewall will access. Rest is done from esx backup. |
| 19:24.05 | wols | kmuto's kernel has a driver for this chip |
| 19:24.07 | jelly | Artanis^: yeah, for 7 machines it's much simpler to use hosts(5) |
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| 19:24.47 | LuciusMare | Hi, i use checkinstall to create .deb files for compiled apps, how to create the package without root? |
| 19:24.54 | abrotman | poppiez: yes .. use a pastebin .. maybe start with the last 100 lines or so |
| 19:25.04 | stuart | wols, so what's listed here, is a netinst with custom kernels so i can have wireless off the base install? |
| 19:25.06 | maligor | LuciusMare, use fakeroot |
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| 19:25.28 | LuciusMare | Will it work? |
| 19:25.30 | wols | stuart: depends on other things. but without this installer you cannot have it |
| 19:25.47 | jelly | Artanis^: I had to use /etc/hosts when we used HP Data Protector for backup, it really wanted to be able to resolve the client names and we had a separate lan for backups |
| 19:25.48 | maligor | LuciusMare, I'm not sure, haven't used checkinstall much, it'll work if it has a build-package only mode |
| 19:25.52 | wols | stuart: but then, you don't need a network while installing |
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| 19:26.05 | LuciusMare | maligor: then, how do you create .deb files? |
| 19:26.24 | wols | LuciusMare: man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:26.24 | poppiez | abrotman: here: http://pastebin.com/SsTWRGD8 |
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| 19:26.40 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 19:26.53 | maligor | LuciusMare, it's not trivial, but it isn't that hard either |
| 19:26.54 | LuciusMare | and, if i do not run a server, can i safely remove openbsd-inetd? |
| 19:27.11 | maligor | yes, I think so |
| 19:27.30 | maligor | inetd should be only convenience daemon |
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| 19:27.41 | fas3r | hi |
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| 19:27.47 | LuciusMare | wont it affect the local mysql databases, or cups, even? |
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| 19:28.07 | maligor | I think both of those run their own daemon processes |
| 19:28.35 | fas3r | do you know an shareware like cpu-z or sandra soft but on debian ... i don't remember the name / model of my motherboard and it's not write on it .. if you have an idea ... : / |
| 19:28.48 | maligor | inetd basically just delegates IO for per-connection tasks |
| 19:29.13 | amphi | fas3r: dmidecode might tell you |
| 19:29.19 | Titan8990 | fas3r: or lshw |
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| 19:29.48 | wols | fas3r: google the BIOS ID of your mobo |
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| 19:30.00 | fas3r | where i find it ? |
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| 19:30.15 | wols | it's shown everytime you boot at the bottom of your screen |
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| 19:30.40 | fas3r | wols: yeah i know sorry no screen on the server and it's a remote server .. : / |
| 19:30.40 | maligor | LuciusMare, if you can see the program in 'ps -e' it most likely won't use inetd |
| 19:30.53 | wols | fas3r: then use what amphi and Titan8990 told you |
| 19:31.21 | LuciusMare | thans |
| 19:31.31 | maligor | LuciusMare, assuming you aren't using it at the time you run ps -e ofcourse :P |
| 19:31.56 | maligor | mostly inetd is just a relic ;P |
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| 19:32.16 | wols | LuciusMare: netstat -lp|grep inet |
| 19:32.30 | wols | LuciusMare: run that as root |
| 19:33.01 | factor | have anyone gotten debian tomcat6 working? |
| 19:33.20 | factor | I am using sun java and no go I also used openjdk and was also no go |
| 19:33.38 | wols | ,versions tomcat |
| 19:33.40 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found. |
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| 19:33.46 | fas3r | Titan8990: amphi : i got this with lshw and dmidecode http://pastebin.com/Jvt3cEjx |
| 19:33.47 | wols | wow |
| 19:33.50 | pom | I compile some stuff I need from source. I want to avoid doing the compiling and testing on production servers. Can I somehow compile a program on another server and then just "make install" it on production machines somehow? |
| 19:34.01 | pom | What is deal behind this? |
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| 19:34.32 | factor | tomcat6 |
| 19:34.41 | wols | fas3r: what dou you actually need to know? |
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| 19:34.52 | dutchfish | pom you can make a .deb package see new maintainer guide |
| 19:34.53 | fas3r | the ref of the motherboard |
| 19:34.57 | wols | pom: what are you compiling exactly? |
| 19:35.10 | pom | wols: lighttpd with h264-streaming. |
| 19:35.13 | wols | fas3r: what is a "ref" |
| 19:35.22 | pom | dutchfish: "New maintainer guide"? |
| 19:35.28 | dutchfish | !nmt |
| 19:35.30 | poppiez | abrotman: what do you think? anything that stands out? |
| 19:35.34 | wols | pom: recompile the debian lighttpd version with the options you want then and create a custom deb of it |
| 19:35.42 | LuciusMare | pom: you can always make at machine A, then copy it to B and ma ke install |
| 19:35.45 | fas3r | reference sorry, if you prefer i have lost one network card on two .. and i just want buy the same mother board ^^ |
| 19:35.56 | dutchfish | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 19:36.01 | fas3r | but nothing is writing on it |
| 19:36.05 | leg- | !help |
| 19:36.07 | leg- | !commands |
| 19:36.08 | dpkg | hmm... commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 19:36.14 | wols | fas3r: and you want this why? |
| 19:36.16 | stuart | wols, you mean i can't have wlan support if i don't use kmuta's kernels, even if i install laptop task? |
| 19:36.24 | leg- | !uptime |
| 19:36.25 | wols | stuart: yes |
| 19:36.26 | pom | LuciusMare: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it's starting some operation that looks suspicoulsy alot like compiling. |
| 19:36.36 | fas3r | wols: i dont need to recompile the kernel and all this ... |
| 19:36.54 | wols | fas3r: you don't need to recompile the kernel at all. linux is not windows |
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| 19:37.39 | fas3r | wols yeah i know but it's not what's i want :p |
| 19:37.39 | abrotman | poppiez: a lot of /etc/localtime :) |
| 19:37.40 | pom | wols: A custom .deb, I've been trying to wrap my head around that. But it seems as I have to specify dependencies and a whole lot of stuff I don't have experience with. I'm probably looking for beginners guide to .deb:ing. |
| 19:38.15 | LuciusMare | pom: really? i think it just copies teh files |
| 19:38.16 | LuciusMare | *the |
| 19:38.20 | poppiez | abrotman: that file also looks scrambled |
| 19:38.24 | wols | pom: no you don't. you get the lighttpd sources and build deps frm debian, change the option to enable streaming support and make the deb |
| 19:38.30 | abrotman | it might be .. |
| 19:38.34 | stuart | wols, what you gave me was just kernels? or was that a base install with wlan support? |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | it is on my box |
| 19:38.48 | wols | stuart: it was a installer |
| 19:39.00 | poppiez | abrotman: any easy way to reconfigure it (maybe using dpkg-reconfigure?) |
| 19:39.13 | poppiez | abrotman: I'm new to debian as you might can tell ;) |
| 19:39.23 | fas3r | wols: wel thank ^^ |
| 19:39.28 | fas3r | i think i will find ^^ |
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| 19:39.41 | pom | LuciusMare: I can't of course vouch for every situation. But last time I tested this, there was more stuff done than during the install on the test-machine. |
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| 19:40.19 | pom | wols: Can you specify "change the option". |
| 19:40.20 | wishkah | hi, I've put a debian 5.04 netinstall image on a USB stick (with syslinux), it boots fine but the installer complains about not finding a CD-ROM driver and fails to accept my hint to use the USB device (/dev/sdb1) instead... any help? |
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| 19:40.27 | stuart | wols, sweet, but which file can i use to boot and install with USB |
| 19:40.32 | wishkah | there's no CD ROM device on that machine (netbook) |
| 19:40.46 | stuart | i mean i know it's lennycustom0116, but is it boot.img.gz or netboot.tar.gz |
| 19:41.02 | wols | !tell stuart about usb install |
| 19:41.11 | wols | stuart: the kmuto installer files are suitable for this too |
| 19:41.25 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who can help me w/ setting up dhcpd? |
| 19:41.38 | HardDisk_WP | I got eth0 as WAN interface, static IP, working good |
| 19:41.44 | HardDisk_WP | then eth1 as LAN if |
| 19:41.50 | HardDisk_WP | and set up shorewall |
| 19:41.50 | wols | HardDisk_WP: use dnsmasq |
| 19:42.17 | HardDisk_WP | now I want the machine to serve as dhcpd, but the "dhcpd" daemon doesnt allow me to choose which interface to listen on |
| 19:42.52 | somosparky | hey guys |
| 19:43.06 | somosparky | how do I check the history apt-get packages installed? |
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| 19:43.30 | wols | somosparky: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:43.36 | somosparky | thanks dude |
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| 19:44.20 | poppiez | abrotman: I've fixed the localtime lines. still segmentation fault tho |
| 19:44.30 | abrotman | poppiez: fixed? |
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| 19:44.46 | poppiez | abrotman: I ran tzselect and choose the correct timezone |
| 19:44.52 | poppiez | abrotman: now they are gone |
| 19:44.54 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP: /etc/default/dhcp3-server -> INTERFACES="eth1" |
| 19:45.16 | HardDisk_WP | thx. |
| 19:45.18 | abrotman | poppiez: what if you use it with fewer options ? |
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| 19:48.43 | poppiez | abrotman: that works it seems although out.pnm isn't created. http://pastebin.com/xaJktyjU |
| 19:48.45 | ardeidae | hi :) i would like to replace every pattern i find (with \(\) and \1...) between two other patterns with sed, everything is on the same line. what i am doing replace only the last occurence... any idea on how to do this? |
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| 19:49.21 | _sho_ | i am trying to update a debian box. i am trying to install a single package, and i get this: 1 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 98 to remove and 38 not upgraded. |
| 19:49.27 | _sho_ | i just went from etch to lenny |
| 19:49.51 | Devastator | _sho_ /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 19:50.33 | ardeidae | i want to replace : first pattern<dl><dt>...</dt><dt>...</dt></dl>last pattern by first pattern<ul><li>...</li><li>...</li></ul>last pattern, any idea? |
| 19:50.35 | wols | _sho_: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:50.45 | wols | _sho_: you don't want to upgrade only a single package |
| 19:51.18 | _sho_ | i did an apt-get full-upgrade, rebooted, tried to add my package |
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| 19:52.30 | Devastator | _sho_ have you read? |
| 19:52.34 | Titan8990 | ardeidae: if i understand your question right, I would just use your text editor's search and replace feature |
| 19:52.49 | pom | In http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html, under §2.3, it says "...should move the source directory to <packagename>-<version>.". Do they mean mv / rename? |
| 19:53.07 | Titan8990 | ardeidae: if you really want to use sed, try #sed |
| 19:53.11 | ardeidae | Titan8990: yes but I have more than 3000 file to replace |
| 19:53.25 | Titan8990 | ardeidae: yeah, try the sed channel |
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| 19:53.42 | mkultra | Titan8990, that's not a real channel, right? |
| 19:54.11 | ardeidae | Titan8990: i will try, but i think everybody is sleeping on #sed :D |
| 19:54.11 | Titan8990 | mkultra: well, its ##sed but any half way decent client will redirect #sed to ##sed |
| 19:54.11 | wols | pom: the maintainer guide is utter overkill for you |
| 19:54.19 | wols | !tell pom about package recompile |
| 19:54.31 | mkultra | baffles |
| 19:54.39 | mkultra | what would you talk about? |
| 19:54.58 | Titan8990 | mkultra: how you can change html tags in 3000 files? |
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| 19:55.15 | SimManiac | Titan8990: with vim and a bottle of jack daniels :D |
| 19:55.19 | mkultra | Titan8990, use perl :P |
| 19:55.22 | pom | wols: Thanks for the honesty. |
| 19:55.30 | pom | :) |
| 19:55.37 | Titan8990 | hey, im not the orginal asker of the question |
| 19:55.43 | Titan8990 | SimManiac: and im emacs guy, no vim for me |
| 19:56.08 | SimManiac | Titan8990: ah I see, you come from Titan, with 7 fingers for each hand |
| 19:56.09 | SimManiac | : D |
| 19:56.22 | SimManiac | just kidding ^^ |
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| 19:56.35 | HardDisk_WP | wols, can i make dhcpd pass the DNS resolver IPs of the dhcpd machine to the clients? |
| 19:56.35 | poppiez | abrotman: I couldn't resist. tried to install ghostscript from source. now it works |
| 19:56.41 | mkultra | http://www.liamdelahunty.com/tips/linux_search_and_replace_multiple_files.php |
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| 19:56.46 | HardDisk_WP | or do I have to pass the clients static ones? |
| 19:57.07 | neurodamage | is there a way to get the livecd to install to the hard drive/ |
| 19:57.22 | wols | HardDisk_WP: I told you to use dnsmasq, not dhcpd. how would I know or care? |
| 19:57.38 | dutchfish | pom: follow wols advice, indeed, the nmt is for brand new packages suited, it's likely overkill if you want a recompile with a different option |
| 19:57.44 | SimManiac | HardDisk_WP: DNS IPs should be static always |
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| 19:57.49 | HardDisk_WP | wols, uh sry, meant dutchfish... |
| 19:58.10 | HardDisk_WP | SimManiac, dialup will be a PPPoE line when this machine is at its final location |
| 19:58.17 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP: you mean dhcp relaying? |
| 19:58.22 | wols | HardDisk_WP: and? |
| 19:58.39 | wols | dutchfish: pppoe doesn't relay. you're lucky to even get one IP, not several |
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| 19:59.11 | SimManiac | HardDisk_WP: still, DNS must be static |
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| 19:59.43 | wols | SimManiac: dns can be whatever dhcp tells the client. there is no "static" |
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| 19:59.53 | dutchfish | wols: oops, i probably misunderstood the question |
| 20:00.06 | SimManiac | wols: I menat that DNS servers should have a well-known static IP address |
| 20:00.18 | pom | dutchfish: yes, it's a hefty piece of reading for a rather small task. |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | poppiez: have fun with your pieces! |
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| 20:01.24 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, uh.. what to specify in dhcpd.conf for the gateway settings? apparently it doesnt give the clients the gateway |
| 20:02.04 | poppiez | abrotman: heh, what do you mean? it's just I can't fix it in any other way |
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| 20:03.54 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP: opetion routers [ip gateway] |
| 20:04.02 | HardDisk_WP | tx |
| 20:04.12 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP: option routers [ip gateway] |
| 20:04.17 | dutchfish | sorry my typo |
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| 20:06.18 | HardDisk_WP | hm ok so at least THAT works. now lets see what is the problem with shorewall... |
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| 20:09.00 | aaroninfidel | hi, I'm trying to find a solution for streaming mobile video does anyone have an idea where I can find an answer to what types of CDS are available? |
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| 20:09.54 | wols | aaroninfidel: CDs? |
| 20:10.05 | aaroninfidel | wols: Content Delivery Server |
| 20:10.08 | aaroninfidel | wols: for video |
| 20:10.25 | wols | icecast, vlc, I guess |
| 20:10.33 | pom | dutchfish, wols: I understand how it would work with default-switches. I'm trying to build a package with custom .c and .h files with alterations to Makefile.am. The instructions I'm following can be found here: http://h264.code-shop.com/trac/wiki/Mod-H264-Streaming-Lighttpd-Version2 . Care to give your opinion if this method is still the correct way to go? |
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| 20:12.42 | factor | /etc/tomcat6/server.xml <Server port="8005" shutdown="SHUTDOWN"> needs to be <Server port="-1" shutdown="SHUTDOWN"> |
| 20:12.45 | aaroninfidel | wols: does vlc allow automation/url encryption so for example if I put all the videos in a folder like /var/streaming/videos then would vlc be able to push them to http://localhost:1234/test.3gp |
| 20:12.51 | factor | and I can get tomcat working |
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| 20:13.00 | dutchfish | pom: i would download the debian source package from bpo 1.4.19, do your stuff and build the package |
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| 20:13.26 | factor | I think the debian package maintainer of TOMCAT6 needs to be notified. |
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| 20:13.35 | NeoLobster | Is there any way I can find out which modules are installed into apache2-mpm-preform by default? |
| 20:13.56 | NeoLobster | mod_proxy got installed into my apache instance somehow, and I'm trying to figure out if that's installed by default by the package. |
| 20:14.03 | aaroninfidel | anyone know if freenode has a mobile development channel or does anyone know of one on another server? |
| 20:14.07 | pom | dutchfish: bpo? |
| 20:14.17 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 20:14.18 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 20:14.57 | dutchfish | pom: but you could as easy dget -x the changelist file to retrieve it |
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| 20:15.49 | dutchfish | pom: just to make sure you are using lenny? |
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| 20:16.48 | pom | dutchfish: That I am. bpo is new too me. And you mentioned 1.4.19. Guess you're referring to lighty version, but I don't get it. I want to package 1.4.26 at this time. |
| 20:17.01 | dutchfish | pom: ok |
| 20:17.40 | dutchfish | pom: dget -x http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/lighttpd_1.4.26-1.dsc to retrieve that version for simple backport |
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| 20:18.14 | dutchfish | pom: then configure it to your likings, make sure to satisfy build dependecies and build the package |
| 20:18.24 | dutchfish | pom: thats in short |
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| 20:20.05 | r3m | Hi, I've modprobe em28xx and add my user into the video group but i still dont have /dev/video video0 or even 1. |
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| 20:21.29 | pom | dutchfish: Will that package then become a .deb that is redistributable to other computers running the same architecture? |
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| 20:21.48 | dutchfish | pom: if everything goes well, yes |
| 20:21.57 | pom | dutchfish: And what is the differenc between backports and apt-get source? |
| 20:22.09 | SimManiac | pom: apt-get source will get you the source package |
| 20:22.22 | SimManiac | backports is a binary package that "backports" a higher version |
| 20:22.25 | pom | SimManiac: I meant the methods. |
| 20:22.30 | SimManiac | to fit the versions of an earlier distro |
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| 20:22.44 | SimManiac | pom: well, they're pretty the same |
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| 20:22.55 | SimManiac | if you apt-get source from a higher distro version |
| 20:22.59 | SimManiac | into a lower distro version |
| 20:23.01 | SimManiac | and debian/rules it |
| 20:23.05 | gh0st | how can i edit scripts/init-bottom etc. ? |
| 20:23.05 | SimManiac | you'll have a backport :D |
| 20:23.11 | SimManiac | gh0st: try vim |
| 20:23.18 | pom | SimManiac: Aaaah... *pling* |
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| 20:23.28 | dutchfish | SimManiac: thank you for explaining |
| 20:23.40 | pom | I'll try it. Thanks alot. |
| 20:23.41 | SimManiac | dutchfish: np |
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| 20:23.52 | gh0st | whereis init-bot etc. scripts/ |
| 20:23.56 | gh0st | bottom |
| 20:24.05 | SimManiac | find? |
| 20:24.07 | SimManiac | locate? |
| 20:24.24 | gh0st | ok |
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| 20:25.59 | xst | Panic! My debian etch suddenly refused to boot (I haven't rebooted for several months). First it "gave up waiting for root device", and after replacing root=/dev/hda1 with root=/dev/sda1 in grub it now says "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /root failed: Device or resource busy.". I'm in panic! I use software raid, by the way. Any ideas on how I can make it boot again? |
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| 20:27.49 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:31.27 | pom | dutchfish: I have make:d in my bpo version of lighty now, and you mentioned "build the package". Is that with dpkg? |
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| 20:31.46 | dutchfish | pom: man dpkg-build -b |
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| 20:32.02 | dutchfish | pom: -b if you only want a binary build |
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| 20:33.30 | dutchfish | pom: my error dpkg-buildpackage -b |
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| 20:36.35 | _21h_ | hi. owner of ls netstat and ps suddenly changed |
| 20:36.39 | _21h_ | bash: /bin/ps: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.39 | _sho_ | my php install for apache in deb works for _everything_ except index.php |
| 20:36.43 | pom | dutchfish: I get complaints about missing files from debian/, but they were not supplied from the bpo it seemed. Did I miss a step somewhere? |
| 20:36.52 | _sho_ | any ideas why that specific filename is broke? |
| 20:36.57 | _21h_ | chattr + chmod has no effect on it |
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| 20:37.16 | _21h_ | how to fix this? |
| 20:37.18 | dutchfish | pom: how you downloaded the source? |
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| 20:37.32 | pom | dget -x |
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| 20:37.51 | dutchfish | pom: and it completed succesfully, without errors? |
| 20:38.01 | wols | _21h_: ls -l /bin |
| 20:38.12 | abrotman | poppiez: i just find it odd .. that's all .. carry on! |
| 20:38.23 | _21h_ | wols, ls not works |
| 20:38.40 | _21h_ | I see owner in mc |
| 20:39.03 | _21h_ | owner unknown in my system |
| 20:39.04 | pom | dutchfish: There was some validation failed, and it supplied a site where I read about the problem, and it didn't sound like there shoudl be any problems with the files. |
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| 20:39.36 | pom | I then extracted the tarball. I guess that was to be done automatically if it had validated. |
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| 20:40.04 | SimManiac | pom: you should execute debian/rules |
| 20:40.06 | dutchfish | pom: it should have been dget -x http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/lighttpd_1.4.26-1.dsc |
| 20:40.08 | SimManiac | from inside the top level directory |
| 20:40.18 | SimManiac | source packages aren't the same as binary packages |
| 20:40.26 | dutchfish | pom: it extracts itself |
| 20:40.39 | wols | _21h_: what owner exactly? |
| 20:40.58 | SimManiac | binary packages are just the "image" of what will be copied to the filesystem (in fact, they follow internally the FS hierarchy) |
| 20:41.15 | SimManiac | plus some additional things like scripts to set up things and so |
| 20:41.33 | alvarezp | http://www.cenam.mx/hora_oficial/ndisposicion.aspx |
| 20:41.35 | SimManiac | source packages do compile things and *then* crate binary packages with the compilation results |
| 20:41.39 | pom | dutchfish: Hmm... there was validation error still. |
| 20:41.52 | stuart | what addresses should i put in sources.list before i apt-get update ? |
| 20:41.57 | _21h_ | wols, username 122 group 114 |
| 20:42.10 | wols | !tell stuart about sources.list |
| 20:42.16 | pom | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/xdKv67rq |
| 20:42.19 | SimManiac | pop some packages may not be easy to backport |
| 20:42.31 | SimManiac | pom: some packages may not be easy to backport |
| 20:42.36 | wols | _21h_: so what did you do to make this happen? |
| 20:42.50 | wols | SimManiac: he is not backporting |
| 20:42.59 | pom | SimManiac: Bah :) |
| 20:43.06 | wols | !tell pom about errors |
| 20:43.11 | _21h_ | wols, nothing. just connected and tried netstat |
| 20:43.31 | SimManiac | ah ok |
| 20:43.33 | wols | _21h_: something obviously did happen |
| 20:43.52 | _21h_ | log files says nothing... |
| 20:44.09 | _21h_ | I have no idea what happened |
| 20:44.20 | pom | Here the problem Im having with dget -x http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/lighttpd_1.4.26-1.dsc, http://pastebin.com/xdKv67rq |
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| 20:44.56 | pom | Reminds me about the problem I used to have with apt-get update and PGP signing. |
| 20:45.07 | wols | pom: apt-get source <package> |
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| 20:45.51 | pom | wols: I will try that again. |
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| 20:46.44 | Administrator | 123 |
| 20:46.49 | dutchfish | pom: strange this is mine: http://paste.debian.net/63763/ |
| 20:46.53 | pom | wols: I don't know if you followed the conversation - I need to add some files and alter Makefile.am, then according to the compile instruction, also run autoconf.sh |
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| 20:48.03 | wols | dutchfish: you sure he doesn't lack some debian archive keyring? |
| 20:48.23 | pom | dutchfish: Hmm, well, do you think I can do anything about it? And do you think I can try without using backports? Didn't exactly understand why that would be better than building the package from "apt-get source" variant. |
| 20:49.28 | dutchfish | wols: ah maybe the dev keyring |
| 20:50.43 | dutchfish | pom: install debian-keyring |
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| 20:51.41 | pom | dutchfish: Already have it. |
| 20:51.48 | wols | dutchfish: what is the advantave of dget btw? |
| 20:52.17 | dutchfish | wols: not cluttering my source.list |
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| 20:53.27 | dutchfish | wols: but then again apt-get source might do as well |
| 20:54.17 | pom | dutchfish: Shouldn't I be able to add a key or something. I had a similar problem when I had upgraded without dist-upgrade. That problem coudl be fixed by Googling. :) |
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| 20:54.48 | dutchfish | pom: probably yes |
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| 20:55.28 | dutchfish | pom: maybe debian-archive-keyring , thats all i have installed along with debian-keyring |
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| 20:56.03 | stuart | how do i install grub on an incomplete installation |
| 20:56.21 | Titan8990 | !reinstall grub |
| 20:56.22 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode> |
| 20:56.22 | stuart | the base is installed, but it hung while trying to install grub, and now i've booted with cd trying to instlal grub |
| 20:56.50 | dutchfish | pom: fyi, i just rebuilded you need to satisfy build dependencies: libattr1-dev libpcre3-dev libfam-dev libfcgi-dev libgdbm-dev libmemcache-dev liblua5.1-0-dev uuid-dev libsqlite3-dev |
| 20:56.55 | stuart | !fixmbr |
| 20:56.55 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 20:57.21 | frey | Hello. Do you know how to configure a wireless adapter to use Enterprise WPA, PEAP, and MSCHAPv2? |
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| 20:58.10 | pom | dutchfish: Thansk, but I'm not planning on using all of those in my package. I don't think I will need the sqlite package for example. |
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| 20:58.51 | jwaters | what are some good proxy server solutions that are ntlm compliant (not squid, already have it) |
| 20:58.54 | dutchfish | pom: depends on how you config it, i used debians plain config to test build the whole enchalada, that worked |
| 20:58.59 | smacnay | Is there an actively maintained password manage in Gnome? I have used Revelation but see that it has not been maintained in some time. |
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| 21:01.26 | sepult | what if i don't provide the full headers but install from linux-source, will the image require Module.symvers to be |
| 21:01.26 | sepult | rebuilt ? |
| 21:01.32 | sepult | and will it suffice ? |
| 21:01.47 | sepult | or should i really use the full headers for linux-image ? |
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| 21:02.45 | wols | sepult: you want the actual header package for your running kernel |
| 21:02.47 | FDfh | I installed Java via this: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml but it's not working, does anyone know why? |
| 21:02.56 | agaran | hello, where i could find some more information about emdebian, especially where is gcc for use on emdebian grip |
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| 21:03.02 | Titan8990 | FDfh: because you didn't do it the debian way? |
| 21:03.15 | dutchfish | pom: this is how it looks like on amd64: http://paste.debian.net/63764/ |
| 21:03.16 | FDfh | Titan8990: and the debian way is...? |
| 21:03.24 | wols | FDfh: ask sun, we don't support their software. if you want java from debian, /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:03.25 | Titan8990 | !tell FDfh about install java |
| 21:03.43 | wols | !emdebian |
| 21:03.44 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:03.50 | wols | agaran: see that |
| 21:04.06 | sepult | wols: i have built the headers as well so i will install that |
| 21:04.14 | sepult | i mean the .deb |
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| 21:04.23 | sepult | hope it works |
| 21:05.05 | sepult | don't know what happened but some modules won't get load automatically here |
| 21:05.13 | sepult | which is not the same as before |
| 21:05.20 | wols | add them to /etc/modules |
| 21:05.34 | agaran | wols: thank you |
| 21:05.36 | sepult | i don't know if it is due to missing firmwares or so |
| 21:05.55 | pom | dutchfish: Nice. I'm doing progress here too. |
| 21:06.07 | stuart | how do i install grub from the installer's shell/rescue mode because i can't access any root except for the installer |
| 21:06.12 | dutchfish | pom: :) |
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| 21:07.29 | Titan8990 | stuart: you don't have or can burn a livecd? I know you say the factoids |
| 21:07.38 | Titan8990 | s/say/saw |
| 21:08.18 | wols | stuart: if you use the rescue mode you have mounted the install's / and can install grub. if it's not mounted you're not in rescue mode |
| 21:08.34 | wols | Titan8990: a live cd is not better than the debian installer iso. in fact it's worse |
| 21:09.16 | wols | stuart: see: ", mount |
| 21:09.16 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.23 | dutchfish | beardy: haha, nah i just made a strong expresso instead ;) |
| 21:10.07 | spersaud | how do I build 2.28 for lenny ? |
| 21:10.18 | spersaud | gnome |
| 21:10.30 | wols | spersaud: short answer, you don't |
| 21:10.34 | Titan8990 | wols: how is it worse? |
| 21:10.48 | spersaud | wols: why not ? |
| 21:10.52 | wols | Titan8990: with installer rescue mode, no mount and chroot orgies necessary |
| 21:10.55 | spersaud | wols: is there a back port ? |
| 21:11.03 | wols | spersaud: too hard to do for someone who has to ask |
| 21:11.07 | wols | ,versions gnome |
| 21:11.09 | judd | gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.28+5; sid: 1:2.28+6 |
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| 21:11.22 | pom | dutchfish: Turns out there was alot of cool things to learn about debian( |
| 21:11.23 | wols | spersaud: that there is none, should tell you something |
| 21:11.25 | pom | debian/ |
| 21:11.27 | pom | even |
| 21:11.46 | pom | I even noticed how I can set up my own default config! |
| 21:11.48 | Titan8990 | wols: squeeze/sid |
| 21:11.52 | pom | This will save me alot of time. |
| 21:11.59 | wols | Titan8990: what about it? |
| 21:12.08 | dutchfish | pom: :) |
| 21:12.25 | Titan8990 | wols: I thought you were saying 2.28 was not in debian at all, but it says that its in squeeze/sid |
| 21:12.26 | pom | dutchfish: Indeed :D |
| 21:12.36 | Titan8990 | wols: not that I am recommending that to the user.... |
| 21:13.10 | wols | Titan8990: no, I said he should not try to get it to work in lenny for obvious reasons |
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| 21:14.02 | stuart | hm, grub install just hangs at searching for GRUB install directory .. found: /boot/grub |
| 21:14.04 | stuart | and then nothing happens |
| 21:14.13 | stuart | how do i install lilo then |
| 21:14.34 | Titan8990 | stuart: try the interactive grub instead of grub-install |
| 21:14.34 | wols | stuart: did you bind mount? |
| 21:14.38 | pom | dutchfish: I think I almost finished the dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 21:14.52 | stuart | yeah bind mounted. how do i get to the interactive grub |
| 21:15.01 | Titan8990 | stuart: `grub` |
| 21:15.13 | stuart | Titan8990, error opening terminal: bterm |
| 21:15.33 | pom | There was some signing-problem again it seems. |
| 21:17.01 | dutchfish | pom: you can safely the last signing act |
| 21:17.10 | pom | And there was several .deb-files. I didn't expect that. |
| 21:17.11 | dutchfish | pom: ignore it, i meant |
| 21:17.20 | pom | Wait, i'll paste the last lines. |
| 21:17.34 | dutchfish | pom: yes, there are several bin debs build from that source |
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| 21:17.42 | pom | http://paste.debian.net/63767/ |
| 21:18.00 | pom | dutchfish: Don't think it finished. |
| 21:18.20 | dutchfish | pom: yes, seams fine to me, only dd's can sign and upload |
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| 21:18.50 | pom | dutchfish: how sexistic! |
| 21:19.10 | wols | being dd is not a sex, so it can't be sexist |
| 21:19.14 | wols | but it is elitist of course |
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| 21:19.36 | pom | wols: Well, I was just making a joke. |
| 21:19.41 | dutchfish | pom: dd: debian developer |
| 21:19.50 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 21:20.06 | pom | dutchfish: dd: double-D |
| 21:20.07 | stuart | can i install lilo from rescue mode then |
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| 21:20.30 | dutchfish | pom: anyway, have fun |
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| 21:22.13 | pom | dutchfish: I'm not done yet. I need to test it. How do I redistribute this "package" when it contains several files. The obvious answer is tarball them, but is that the proper way? |
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| 21:22.47 | pom | And which one do I hit with dpkg to install? |
| 21:22.57 | dutchfish | pom: well, a .deb is compressed already ;) |
| 21:23.19 | dutchfish | pom: as simple as dpkg -i foo |
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| 21:23.36 | pom | dutchfish: But which one? There where several created. |
| 21:23.49 | pom | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/63768/ |
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| 21:23.57 | pom | Here's everything in my previously empty dir. |
| 21:23.59 | dutchfish | pom: that i leave to your imagination and to read about it ;) |
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| 21:24.21 | wedge | how do I raise ulimit in debian? Tried modifying /etc/security/limits.conf but no success :S |
| 21:24.27 | wols | pom: it should be very clear what to install |
| 21:24.39 | pom | wols: Probably. :) |
| 21:24.55 | pom | But will it look for and use the others if needed? Or how does it work? |
| 21:25.18 | tim_abell | hiya, how do i set kernel.panic=30 in lenny? sysctl.conf didn't work - sysctl -p ... error: "Invalid argument" setting key "kernel.panic" |
| 21:25.44 | tim_abell | as per this - http://www.starhost.ro/Linux-Tutorials/auto-reboot-linux-after-kernel-panic.html |
| 21:25.49 | pom | wols: It's not easy being new. |
| 21:26.04 | wols | pom: you do fine for a newcomer |
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| 21:26.26 | wols | pom: it won't look for them, if you want it, you need to install it from there |
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| 21:27.23 | tim_abell | does the panic=30 on the boot line work? |
| 21:27.34 | pom | wols: So only the main one is needed then. |
| 21:28.08 | pom | wols: Ah, sorry for asking so much. I will work this out when I take a closer look at the debian/-folder tomorrow. |
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| 21:30.17 | tim_abell | /proc/sys/kernel/panic is 10 already, does that mean it'll already do it? - ref: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/autoreboot.htm |
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| 21:35.57 | daijoubu | Hello, is debian 64bit as good as the 32 bit version ? |
| 21:37.00 | daijoubu | yes, no ? :) |
| 21:37.02 | rudi_s_ | daijoubu: Yes. |
| 21:37.08 | daijoubu | thanks rudi_s_ |
| 21:37.15 | rudi_s_ | np |
| 21:37.23 | _21h_ | I got rootkit ( |
| 21:38.03 | _21h_ | after server reboot network is down |
| 21:38.16 | daijoubu | is this the dvd i must get or i need the 5 others ? :o debian-update-5.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 21:38.41 | daijoubu | meaning can i install from this dvd ? |
| 21:38.54 | rudi_s_ | _21h_: Make a copy of the harddisk after booting from a CD and reinstall the system (wiping everything). |
| 21:39.03 | themill | daijoubu: what do you think "update" means? |
| 21:39.06 | rudi_s_ | daijoubu: If you have an internet connection just use the netinstall cd. |
| 21:39.34 | daijoubu | rudi_s_: i have internet but it's pppoe :( |
| 21:39.38 | _21h_ | rudi_s_, I uses VPS. no CD available |
| 21:40.25 | daijoubu | themill: debian-504-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent this one then ? :) will it install without the other dvds or i need all of them ? |
| 21:40.59 | rudi_s_ | _21h_: Well, then use the interface the provider created, boot the rescue system or whatever it's called. Just make sure you save the disk if you want to (ssh and dd work quite well in this case) and reinstall everything. |
| 21:41.01 | themill | daijoubu: that will be fine. But you could just grab CD1 and that will have most of the stuff on it that you need at least to start with, |
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| 21:41.31 | pom | wols: Everything went fine with the install, but the installer failed to install one of the .so's, the one that my changes was supposed to add. Do you have any hint on this for me? |
| 21:41.31 | daijoubu | themill: thank you :) |
| 21:42.13 | _21h_ | god, kill f hackers |
| 21:42.29 | rudi_s_ | _21h_: .. |
| 21:42.35 | poppiez | anyone running lenny with ghostscript installed? please give me the first line of output from "gs -v". thanks :) |
| 21:42.52 | wols | !tell pom about errors |
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| 21:43.08 | wols | ,versions gs |
| 21:43.08 | judd | gs -- etch: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2; etch-security: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2; etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1 |
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| 21:43.18 | wols | pom: now you know the gs version of lenny |
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| 21:44.27 | ribasushi | how do I verify the signature of a love .deb file (not one downloaded via apt-get) |
| 21:44.27 | poppiez | wols: my nick is poppiez ;) it's an experiment. it seems that even though the package version is 8.62 the gs -v outputs 8.64 |
| 21:44.27 | ribasushi | s/love/lone/ |
| 21:44.27 | poppiez | I just want to confirm it |
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| 21:44.50 | wols | poppiez: dpkg -l gs |
| 21:45.04 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, when i plug in a flash drive, it's state is read-only. how do i make it accessable to a non-root user? |
| 21:45.10 | rvsjoen | GPL Ghostscript 8.62 (2008-02-29) |
| 21:45.36 | paranoidphreak | full-access |
| 21:45.42 | poppiez | wols: not installed. ghostscript is though. yes, it says 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 but I'm asking for the output of "gs -v" :) |
| 21:46.49 | wols | gs IS ghostscript |
| 21:47.22 | wols | so if it's not installed at your place you don'thave ghostscript. but then you did the idiotic thing of compiling gs from source, so all bets are off |
| 21:47.32 | pom | wols: Excellent. |
| 21:47.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.58 | poppiez | wols: it can't be true that by compiling _one_ package from source that the entire system fails |
| 21:48.00 | rvsjoen | on my lenny the package is named 'ghostscript' |
| 21:48.08 | rvsjoen | fyi |
| 21:48.09 | poppiez | rvsjoen: here too |
| 21:48.16 | poppiez | rvsjoen: what does "gs -v" give you? :) |
| 21:48.28 | rvsjoen | poppiez: I already told you, ~10 lines up |
| 21:48.44 | poppiez | rvsjoen: oh, sorry. didn't see. thanks |
| 21:49.08 | pom | wols: About your error hint, I understand that I should provide more info, but that was really all you had to know. It's probably to package-specific to give a proper answer anyways. |
| 21:49.12 | wols | ,versions ghostscript |
| 21:49.13 | judd | ghostscript -- etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1; sid: 8.71~dfsg-2; squeeze: 8.71~dfsg-2 |
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| 21:49.25 | wols | rvsjoen: both exist |
| 21:49.41 | poppiez | wols: well I used checkinstall and I then removed the package using dpkg -r ghostscript. "gs -v" just still says 8.64 and not 8.62 even though I installed ghostscript again using apt-get |
| 21:49.58 | wols | pom: have fun solving your own problems from now on. thanks you |
| 21:50.05 | rvsjoen | looks like 'gs' is the transitional package |
| 21:50.33 | wols | poppiez: locate bin/gs might enlighten you |
| 21:51.00 | poppiez | wols: I know you warned me. thanks. |
| 21:51.07 | rvsjoen | poppiez: and do 'which gs' |
| 21:52.16 | poppiez | rvsjoen: it's located in /usr/bin/gs. if I apt-get remove ghostscript "which gs" doesn't report anything. I then install ghostscript using apt-get and /usr/bin/gs is created but gs -v still says 8.64 lol |
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| 21:52.59 | rvsjoen | if 'gs -v' works 'which gs' can't say *nothing* |
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| 21:54.20 | ribasushi | so anyone? I have a .deb file, I want to verify its signature (have the key and all) |
| 21:54.40 | themill | ribasushi: /msg dpkg secure apt |
| 21:55.28 | rvsjoen | ribasushi: dpkg-sig ? |
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| 21:58.05 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, when i plug in a flash drive, it's state is read-only. how do i make it so that any user have full access? |
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| 22:04.05 | xst | Heeelp! I just ran "update-initramfs" and now my machine won't boot anymore! What to do? |
| 22:04.36 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image |
| 22:04.43 | wols | your kernel package rather |
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| 22:05.06 | wols | !tell paranoidphreak about vfatrw |
| 22:05.40 | paranoidphreak | wols: thanks |
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| 22:08.32 | xst | wols: How do I find the name of the kernel image? That is: How do I figure out what to write after "dpkg-reconfigure ..."? |
| 22:08.55 | wols | grub shows you what kernel version you boot |
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| 22:18.39 | xst | for some reason, when executing "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686", my grub/menu.lst is being rewritten and "/dev/sda1" is replaced with "/dev/hda1", even though only "/dev/sda1" works. What to do? |
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| 22:22.25 | abrotman | xst: which part do you want fixed? the grub running or the wrong drive map ? |
| 22:22.30 | wiko | xst, does it boot then? |
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| 22:22.51 | nervousTwitch | i just did an update and when enabling animations in compiz it gives me an error pertaining to compiz core and incorrect abi version. i have removed compiz reinstalled but still same error so no window rules and no animations. |
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| 22:23.38 | amphi | xst: what does /boot/grub/device.map say? |
| 22:23.39 | macrobat | xst: dont edit the automagic part of menu.lst, use the single # commented lines |
| 22:23.42 | xst | No, my boot is completely screwed up. I can boot on an older kernel, but the newer one stops when "mounting /dev/sda1 on /root failed: Device or resource busy" |
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| 22:26.20 | xst | amphi: The device.map points correctly hd0 to /dev/sda |
| 22:27.18 | xst | macrobat: Where do I specify that sda instead of hda should be used in menu.lst? |
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| 22:29.39 | macrobat | xst: you use label or uuid for the partition or uuid. read ls -l /dev/disk/by-label or uuid |
| 22:29.51 | macrobat | by-uuid, i mean |
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| 22:30.38 | macrobat | you set labels with tune2fs -L label partition |
| 22:31.48 | xst | By the way: I run software raid and the kernel that *does* boot mounts "/" on /dev/md0. But when running "dpkg-reconfigure ...", it says "mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active" |
| 22:32.01 | xst | can that cause the boot failure from that kernel? |
| 22:32.08 | mischief | i installed courier-imap and i always get this. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5e07f719/ im trying to use mysql authentication |
| 22:32.34 | macrobat | i dont know raid or mdadm |
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| 22:35.04 | macrobat | in menu.lst you use the groot and kopt lines to set partition |
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| 22:37.04 | xst | macrobat: Thanks, now at least that part works. I still can't boot from that kernel however. :-( |
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| 22:37.24 | omg_onoez | not sure if it is a debian related question, i need "find / -type f | xargs -0 grep --binary-files=text -ilP '1|2|3'" or equivalent to work on debian and fbsd, but freebsd 4 says "xargs: insufficient space for argument" and debian says that argument string is too long (may be those errors are the same one), any help appreciated, thanks and sorry for my english |
| 22:37.58 | robbles | omg_onoez: try adding the -print0 argument to find |
| 22:38.31 | amee2k | hm... i've just installed deb 5.0 in virtualbox and my control key doesn't work. (it appears as if i didn't hold it down). any idea what i could be doing wrong?! |
| 22:38.35 | omg_onoez | ok, and can i somehow make 'find' not to show files if permission denied |
| 22:38.41 | omg_onoez | by the way |
| 22:39.05 | kingsley | How would you fix "mount: Could not find any loop device. Maybe this kernel does not know about the loop device? (If so, recompile or `modprobe loop'.)" after doing... $ mount -o loop,offset=32256 <file> <dir> ? The kernel's version is 2.6.25-2. |
| 22:39.08 | wols | xst: have you dpkg-reconfigured it yet? |
| 22:39.32 | robbles | omg_onoez: -readable |
| 22:39.41 | wols | kingsley: mount doesn't work for normal users. and the lopp module is loaded? |
| 22:39.50 | amee2k | kingsley: do you have the loop module loaded and do appropriate device nodes exist? |
| 22:40.06 | xst | wols: Yes. It seems to work fine, but it complains about "md0 not being active" |
| 22:40.11 | xst | when it boots |
| 22:40.16 | xst | or "tries" to boot |
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| 22:40.29 | omg_onoez | robbles, not sure, but it looks like it did the trick, thank you |
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| 22:41.44 | omg_onoez | robbles, hmm, after adding -print0 i see some .png and other files in output |
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| 22:42.19 | amee2k | just checked, i'm having this problem in two different VMs. any hints? |
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| 22:44.14 | kingsley | wols & amee2k: I ran the "mount" command as root. "$ ls -l /dev/loop0" reports "brw------- 1 root root 7, 0 2010-02-13 09:28 /dev/loop0", which the mount command says is not in use. However, I have yet to load a loop module. "$ modprobe loop" and "$modprobe loop.ko" both fail with "FATAL: Module loop(.ko)? not found." |
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| 22:45.10 | kingsley | wols & amee2k: Do you happen to have any thoughts on how I might identify and load the loop module? |
| 22:45.26 | wols | kingsley: where did you get your kernel from? |
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| 22:47.10 | kingsley | wols I'm pretty sure I got it from version 2.6.25-6 of the linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 package. |
| 22:47.16 | macrobat | uname -r will tell something about the kernel |
| 22:47.32 | keith4 | are files in /etc/logrotate.d process alphabetically? |
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| 22:49.55 | amee2k | well, there won't be a loop module if you have it compiled in |
| 22:49.55 | amee2k | if you do have loop device nodes, just try using one of these with losetup manually and see if it works |
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| 22:50.47 | Gokee2 | Can anyone think of a cute little command line trick to number the lines of output from a command? "mpc playlist" gives me a list of all the songs in the playlist however it neglects to number them so its hard to use the move command as you would have to count down the list to figure out what number the track you want to move is. |
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| 22:52.56 | amphi | Gokee2: | nl ? |
| 22:53.57 | kingsley | amee2k: I'm following your insightful suggestion of using losetup, and noticed that "$ losetup /dev/loop0" reports "loop: can't open device /dev/loop0: No such device or address". |
| 22:54.03 | Gokee2 | amphi, Wow, perfect ;) THanks |
| 22:54.14 | nsadmin | | cat -n |
| 22:54.27 | kingsley | amee2k: However, "ls -l /dev/loop0" reports "brw------- 1 root root 7, 0 2010-02-13 09:28 /dev/loop0" |
| 22:54.46 | amphi | Gokee2: I had forgotten the name; "apropos 'line number'" turned it up |
| 22:54.47 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, I did not know cat could do that! :) |
| 22:54.50 | nsadmin | whoever wrote nl didn't read the cat man page :) |
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| 22:55.14 | amphi | nsadmin: indeed ;) |
| 22:55.22 | Gokee2 | apropos? |
| 22:55.39 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: its only recent that cat has had that option |
| 22:55.41 | amphi | nsadmin: perhaps it's only gnu cat |
| 22:55.54 | amphi | Gokee2: same as man -k |
| 22:55.57 | Tramp | nsadmin: no. -n is a GNUism, nl is POSIX |
| 22:56.06 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:56.18 | Gokee2 | Keyword searching a man pages... Now THAT sounds fun :) |
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| 22:56.32 | nsadmin | so nl is the portable way |
| 22:56.37 | Solver | POSIXLY_CORRECT is such a cool variable name :) |
| 22:56.38 | amee2k | kingsley: that just means nothing is using that loop dev right now |
| 22:56.40 | Tramp | yep |
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| 22:57.09 | kingsley | amee2k: Oh. |
| 22:57.12 | amee2k | try losetup loopdev file.img |
| 22:57.13 | macrobat | Gokee2: with less as a pager i use "/" to search. it's quite enjoyable |
| 22:57.20 | amee2k | and then try to mount the loop dev |
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| 22:57.40 | amee2k | you can put your offset parameter on the losetup command line too. take a look at the man page as to how |
| 22:58.15 | Gokee2 | macrobat, Indeed, I use that as well, but it looks like the apropos thins searches ALL the man pages? |
| 22:58.19 | xst | Can anybody help with mdadm? Will mdadm --create ever delete any data from the devices in the array? |
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| 22:59.13 | robbles | xst: afaik, --create is a destructive switch |
| 22:59.18 | mtrg | debian vs. ubuntu? |
| 22:59.45 | mtrg | which one has faster .deb repository update? |
| 23:00.09 | mtrg | i'm kind annoyed by outdated ubuntu repositories. how is debian? |
| 23:00.16 | kingsley | amee2k: OK, I tried "$ losetup -o 32256 /dev/loop0 <file name>". It reported "/dev/loop0: No such device or address". |
| 23:00.21 | robbles | mtrg: depends on what packages you're interested in. install them both and check |
| 23:00.42 | mtrg | robbles: say, pidgin.. |
| 23:00.55 | wols | mtrg: packages.debian.org |
| 23:01.00 | kingsley | amee2k: I'm struck by the apparent contradiction between losetup saying the device doesn't exist, and the ls command saying it does. |
| 23:01.01 | nsadmin | mtrg: read the distribution-howto; probably people won't respond to that comparison' |
| 23:01.09 | Gokee2 | mtrg, Debain Stable is old and stable... If you want bleeding edge and sometimes broken you can use sid or there is testing if you only want broken once in a while... |
| 23:01.23 | robbles | pidgin is at 2.6.6-2 in debian unstable |
| 23:01.49 | ersoy | http://pastebin.com/1fSU58gW , How can I fix this error ? |
| 23:02.03 | nsadmin | , versions pidgin |
| 23:02.04 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 23:02.19 | kingsley | amee2k: I wonder if this is somehow related to udev. |
| 23:02.25 | xst | robbies: Any ideas on what to do: I currently boot on /dev/sda1 which for a couple of hours ago was part of a perfectly working raid1 (/dev/md0). Now it stills boot on /dev/sda1 and "mount" says that "/dev/md0" is mounted on "/". However, according to mdadm, /dev/md0 does not appear to be active. How can I re-activate it? |
| 23:03.03 | amee2k | hm... not that i could confirm that |
| 23:03.47 | amee2k | i'm sorry, but this appears to be beyond my ability to diagnose. at least remotely |
| 23:04.00 | robbles | xst: I've never used mdadm on a boot partition, so I'm hesitant to offer advice |
| 23:04.11 | xst | ok :-( |
| 23:04.16 | mtrg | debian's pidgin is far more outdated than ubuntu's pidgin... |
| 23:04.22 | ersoy | hello, http://pastebin.com/1fSU58gW , How can I fix this error ? |
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| 23:04.37 | kingsley | amee2k: OK |
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| 23:05.44 | wols | ersoy: why do you want to run an xserver on a VPS? |
| 23:06.32 | ersoy | wols, I want to use myself |
| 23:06.46 | wols | ersoy: answer my question |
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| 23:07.36 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone explain this sensors output: http://pastebin.com/HC6xBPPd |
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| 23:08.38 | wols | HardDisk_WP: what's to explain? |
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| 23:08.56 | kingsley | amee2k: I'll try to create a new loop device, and see what happens. |
| 23:09.03 | HardDisk_WP | wols, fan1 is definitely running, and the voltages can't be correct |
| 23:09.16 | HardDisk_WP | I mean, +3.95V on the 12V rail |
| 23:09.43 | wols | HardDisk_WP: justbecause it says it is a 12V rail doesn't make it so... |
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| 23:10.21 | HardDisk_WP | Yeah, okay. But if it's just a mislabeling, then some other rail should carry something around 12V |
| 23:10.28 | HardDisk_WP | But there is not... |
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| 23:10.48 | wols | how do you know you have the right sensor chip? |
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| 23:11.30 | HardDisk_WP | it's the only one detected, and the temperature values match those I read two minutes ago in the BIOS |
| 23:12.01 | wols | sensor-detect is a piece of broken shit. the end |
| 23:12.16 | kingsley | amee2k: "losetup -a" doesn't see a loop device created by "mknod /dev/loop100 b 7 100" either. |
| 23:12.17 | wols | just winbond makes about ten gazillion different sensor chips btw |
| 23:12.29 | HardDisk_WP | ah okay |
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| 23:12.44 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: do you even have the loop module in your kernel? |
| 23:12.51 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: lsmod | grep loop |
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| 23:13.31 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: That's a reasonable question. "lsmod | grep loop" indicates that I do not. |
| 23:13.37 | nsadmin | isn't losetup for localhost? |
| 23:13.46 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: tada :) modprobe loop |
| 23:13.47 | wols | kingsley: have you checked your kernel config? |
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| 23:14.13 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: what do you mean by "for localhost?" are you confusing it with the lo interface? |
| 23:14.39 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I thought "modprobe loop" might work too, but it reports "FATAL: Module loop not found.". |
| 23:14.42 | nsadmin | right, I thought losetup wrote a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:14.57 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: are you using a stock debian kernel? |
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| 23:15.07 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: losetup is in no way related to networking |
| 23:15.09 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: Yes. |
| 23:15.19 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: which one? |
| 23:15.20 | nsadmin | good enuf |
| 23:15.21 | Ricoshady | ive got an install that is on UTC, how do I change it to Eastern |
| 23:15.27 | wols | kingsley: I'M kinda doubtful since there is no 2.6.25 anywhere in debian |
| 23:15.30 | Ricoshady | i used tzselect, nothing changed |
| 23:15.36 | kingsley | wols: I have not. |
| 23:15.48 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: what's the output of 'uname -a'? |
| 23:15.56 | wols | kingsley: then check it |
| 23:16.19 | nsadmin | Ricoshady you don't want to keep it on utc and set the timezone vars? |
| 23:16.26 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I'm pretty sure I got it from version 2.6.25-6 of the linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 package. |
| 23:16.45 | nsadmin | Ricoshady do you also run windows on that machine? |
| 23:16.46 | Ricoshady | well when im getting back the time in PHP its WAY off |
| 23:16.46 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: that is pre-lenny then |
| 23:16.52 | kingsley | wols: I think the package used to be in unstable. |
| 23:16.57 | Ricoshady | nsadmin? its a debian system |
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| 23:17.15 | nsadmin | Ricoshady so not dual boot? |
| 23:17.21 | Ricoshady | nsadmin no |
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| 23:17.25 | Ricoshady | its a server |
| 23:17.27 | nsadmin | ok |
| 23:17.35 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: "uname -a" reports "Linux debian1.loaner.com 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 27 03:23:20 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux". |
| 23:17.36 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: install 2.6.26 from lenny then try again |
| 23:17.43 | wols | !tell Ricoshady about utc |
| 23:17.52 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: ok so yeah that is a stock kernel, but an old one |
| 23:18.31 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: Can you elaborate on why you think upgrading the kernel might help? |
| 23:18.35 | Ricoshady | wols, im not sure what to change in the config |
| 23:18.37 | nsadmin | !tell the person who's writin dis line about utc too also additionally |
| 23:18.42 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: well, for starters, because i have linux-image-2.6.26-2-686: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko |
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| 23:19.06 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: your kernel does not have the loop module available to it. so on this kernel you cannot use loop devices. |
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| 23:19.33 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: oh wait, wtf |
| 23:19.45 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: why are you using 'losetup -a'? that finds loop devices in use, not free ones. |
| 23:20.27 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: 'losetup -f' will show you the first unused loop device. create /dev/loop0 and try that again. it's possible that the loop module is compiled into the kernel. |
| 23:20.43 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: For what it's worth, I have /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko |
| 23:21.05 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: then something is fubared if modprobe can't find it |
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| 23:21.53 | wols | kingsley: insmod it |
| 23:21.58 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: Heh. I guess that explains everything. |
| 23:22.10 | wols | and of course: man depmod |
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| 23:22.27 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: try "modprobe -v loop" and see why it fails |
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| 23:23.56 | kingsley | wols: /boot/config-2.6.25-2-686 says "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m", which I believe means I need a module. |
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| 23:24.30 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: we know you need the module. what we don't know is why modprobe doesn't find it. run what i said above. |
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| 23:24.57 | nsadmin | it means "the part of the kernel compile proces that generates modules will build loop as a module as opposed to in the kernel" |
| 23:25.13 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: "modprobe -v loop" reports "FATAL: Module loop not found.". |
| 23:25.29 | nsadmin | which is confirmed by the fact you have the loop.ko |
| 23:25.35 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: hmm, try "modprobe -l | grep loop" |
| 23:25.55 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: if that fails, run "modprobe -l | less" and see if the paths are close to your loop.ko |
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| 23:27.57 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: either way, try running depmod and then try the modprobe again |
| 23:28.25 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I think we may be getting closer to the root problem. "modprobe -l" returns nothing. |
| 23:28.36 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: yeah that's not a good sign. try depmod |
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| 23:30.13 | nsadmin | kingsley: are any modules loaded right now? |
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| 23:30.38 | nsadmin | (if so, I would assume that the problem didn't exist for awhile then it did) |
| 23:30.40 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: strace indicates that modprobe reades your modules.dep |
| 23:31.04 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: which depmod will create. without that file, modprobe can't find any modules. |
| 23:31.41 | kingsley | nsadmin: No. |
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| 23:32.02 | nsadmin | so lsmod returns nothing?! |
| 23:32.23 | dbbolton | i need some advice troubleshooting a non-functional microphone. neither the built-in mic nor an external one works. i am not sure whether this is an ALSA issue or a KDE issue |
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| 23:32.45 | nsadmin | I'm not sure how it's talking to your disk controller then :) |
| 23:32.47 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I will try depmod. As an aside, and before I forget, "mount"'s man page says my version and later of the kernel supports "auto-destruction of loop devices and then any loop device allocated by mount will be freed by umount independently on /etc/mtab." |
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| 23:33.29 | kingsley | nsadmin: lsmod reports other modules, but not loop. |
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| 23:33.59 | nsadmin | oh, so at some point in the past (after you booted), modprobe worked |
| 23:35.51 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I'm happy to report that after following your fine suggestion of running "depmod", I'm back in the land of loop devices and a thousand happy dances. |
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| 23:36.44 | kingsley | SerajewelKS, SerajewelKS, brave, courageous and bold! Long live his fame, long live his glory, and long may his story be told! |
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| 23:38.05 | nsadmin | kingsley: so, something overwrote your modules.dep file? |
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| 23:38.22 | nsadmin | you might want to find out what happened if you can |
| 23:39.28 | kingsley | nsadmin: Like you, I'm wondering what happened to my modules.dep file. Having said that, it seems to me to be easier said than done. |
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| 23:43.10 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.19 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.56 | k-man | i have this strange issue with my linux box - occasionally it gets into a state where when i ssh into it, it appears to log me in but hangs just before it gives me the command prompt - and then i get the same result in the console too. and ctrl-alt-del starts the shutdown process but it also just hangs and never reboots. then after i hard reboot, it works fine again until the next time it happens |
| 23:43.59 | ^Willie^ | hi there |
| 23:44.11 | k-man | any ideas what could cause this? maybe its hardware related? |
| 23:44.14 | ^Willie^ | Question where are the right video4linux userland utils ? |
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| 23:44.22 | k-man | hi ^Willie^ |
| 23:44.31 | ^Willie^ | curent package is ancient :S and driver is v2 already |
| 23:44.32 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: Maybe we should accept SerajewelKS's definitive explanation: "something is fubared". |
| 23:44.41 | ^Willie^ | hi k-man |
| 23:45.31 | nsadmin | you're of course welcome to do that |
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| 23:48.26 | nervousTwitch | trying to use compiz i encounter the version for compiz-fusion-plugins-main is not matching the version of compiz available according to my sources how would i correct that? |
| 23:48.54 | ^Willie^ | any one a idea why v4l userland tools are outdated ? |
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| 23:49.35 | oh_noes | hi is there a debian IRC channel for help building deb files? |
| 23:49.41 | azeem | this one |
| 23:50.03 | oh_noes | I need to tag a .conf file as "if it doesnt exist, create it, if it does exist just leave it". I'm not sure how to do this in the deb |
| 23:50.20 | oh_noes | at the moment it's managed, but it keeps overwriting the file even though the user has made changes |
| 23:50.34 | oh_noes | Im hoping this is a pretty standard thing |
| 23:50.49 | azeem | why if it doesn't exist create it? |
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| 23:51.40 | oh_noes | Because it's a conf file. it needs to ship with defaults values which can then be edited |
| 23:51.50 | nsadmin | because it needs to exist in order for whatever's in the .deb to run? |
| 23:51.51 | oh_noes | same principal as apache2.conf or httpd.conf, |
| 23:52.00 | azeem | oh_noes: are you using debhelper? |
| 23:52.07 | azeem | oh_noes: where is this file located? |
| 23:52.08 | oh_noes | nsadmin: yep |
| 23:52.38 | oh_noes | Why would the file location change anything? At the momemnt the file in question is tagged in "conffiles" but I'm assuming I shouldnt do it here |
| 23:52.49 | nsadmin | you can just do that in the postinst |
| 23:52.52 | azeem | because it does? |
| 23:52.53 | oh_noes | "conffiles" means -- take full overship of the file and ensure it always matches the deb |
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| 23:53.15 | oh_noes | nsadmin: yeah I'm thinking that might be the standard. If file doesnt exist, create this default one |
| 23:53.21 | azeem | oh_noes: I don't think that's what it means |
| 23:54.08 | oh_noes | nsadmin: but I wasnt sure if there there was another option or metadata I could associate it without using the postinst to create it |
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| 23:55.12 | oh_noes | azeem: I'm not sure what it means exactly, thats generally how it behaves though |
| 23:55.24 | oh_noes | all my directories and binaries are in 'conffiles' |
| 23:55.30 | azeem | oh_noes: then read the relevant sections of policy |
| 23:55.38 | azeem | oh_noes: 00:50 < azeem> oh_noes: where is this file located? |
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| 23:55.42 | oh_noes | and its working fine. I just need to know the correct/standard way to manage *.conf files |
| 23:55.42 | ^Willie^ | nsadmin: do you have a moment ? |
| 23:55.45 | nsadmin | how would that dialog show up "there's a config file you have and one in the package, what do you want to do (ynds)?" |
| 23:55.47 | azeem | s/file/directores and binaries/ |
| 23:56.19 | nsadmin | bbiab |
| 23:56.52 | oh_noes | nsadmin: hrmm, well my logic is "if the app.conf doesnt excist, create it, if it does exist, dont update that file" |
| 23:57.04 | oh_noes | because /bin/foo needs app.conf |
| 23:57.19 | azeem | oh_noes: then /bin/foo should just abort if app.conf isn't around |
| 23:57.24 | oh_noes | but again, i'm not 100% sure the standardw way to do this |
| 23:57.35 | oh_noes | azeem: which it does. .. but how does that help me? |
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| 23:57.50 | azeem | oh_noes: maybe with a notice that app.conf is needed? |
| 23:58.00 | oh_noes | and how does that help me? |
| 23:58.01 | azeem | however deleted app.conf would've had a good reason to do so, no? |
| 23:58.07 | azeem | oh_noes: why would it help *you*? |
| 23:58.15 | azeem | I thought you were asking as a packager |
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| 23:58.39 | nervousTwitch | http://pastebin.com/jMt8X9TB |
| 23:58.47 | oh_noes | well the application in question is inside a GNU Appliance OS, so /bin/foo needs to always run |
| 23:59.03 | azeem | oh_noes: is this even a Debian question? |
| 23:59.09 | oh_noes | err yes |
| 23:59.18 | ^Willie^ | hello ? |
| 23:59.20 | oh_noes | Unless somsone has managed to port deb to windows |
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| 23:59.31 | azeem | ^Willie^: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:59.38 | oh_noes | azeem: I dont think you understanding my question |
| 23:59.44 | ^Willie^ | azeem: i did ask already :S |
| 23:59.53 | ^Willie^ | azeem: but looks like it is getting ignored |
