| 00:00.12 | azeem | ^Willie^: can be, people tend to answer what they can answer |
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| 00:00.28 | azeem | oh_noes: you're not helping in trying to explain, either |
| 00:00.40 | oh_noes | Maybe I can explain it again simply |
| 00:00.43 | ^Willie^ | azeem: why is v4l userland tools not updated in debian lenny it is useless with v2 kernel drivers |
| 00:00.55 | azeem | oh_noes: why don't you start answering questions? |
| 00:00.59 | azeem | 00:50 < azeem> oh_noes: are you using debhelper? |
| 00:00.59 | azeem | 00:50 < azeem> oh_noes: where is this file located? |
| 00:01.13 | azeem | ^Willie^: I don't know |
| 00:01.21 | oh_noes | yes debhelper and the file is /foo/bar/app.conf |
| 00:01.29 | ^Willie^ | azeem: i whas planning to reinstall my gentoo boxes untill i did bump in that issue |
| 00:01.30 | azeem | eh, /foo? |
| 00:01.34 | azeem | that's outside the FHS |
| 00:01.47 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.49 | ^Willie^ | azeem: guess i can't rely on the dev's choices :S |
| 00:01.49 | azeem | ^Willie^: this is #debian |
| 00:01.58 | oh_noes | the actual file is /etc/foobar.conf - why would the location matter? |
| 00:02.07 | azeem | oh_noes: because it *does*, FFS |
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| 00:02.09 | ^Willie^ | azeem: yes and i`m talking about debian :S |
| 00:02.16 | azeem | 00:59 < azeem> 00:50 < azeem> oh_noes: are you using debhelper? |
| 00:02.30 | ^Willie^ | azeem: i whas planning to start using debian as default distro get the picture ... |
| 00:02.37 | oh_noes | I already said yes to debhelper |
| 00:02.39 | azeem | ^Willie^: 00:59 < azeem> ^Willie^: I don't know |
| 00:02.42 | azeem | ok |
| 00:02.50 | azeem | oh_noes: which compat level? |
| 00:02.54 | oh_noes | Ive read a tonne of deb building doco, nothing said anything about where you can create files |
| 00:02.55 | ^Willie^ | only option get the source and compile for my own then... |
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| 00:03.10 | ^Willie^ | hope no outdated deps |
| 00:03.15 | azeem | oh_noes: why do you want to create it? |
| 00:03.20 | azeem | is there no sane defaul? |
| 00:03.20 | wols | ^Willie^: checked squeeze or sid? |
| 00:03.23 | azeem | default*? |
| 00:03.29 | oh_noes | argh, Id' need to dig through my hudson scripts. It's all running through that. I'm fairly certain it's hudson -> ant and finally debhelper builds it |
| 00:03.32 | ^Willie^ | wols: and that is ? |
| 00:03.33 | nsadmin | oh_noes files can come from the tarball and they can be generated |
| 00:03.46 | wols | ^Willie^: debian branches |
| 00:03.54 | kittonian | hi all. stupid question but in a .patch file you've got - and + for the various lines to add/remove. i've got a patch file that I have to work with manually and it has ! symbols at the start of lines. what does the ! mean? |
| 00:04.03 | ^Willie^ | wols: sorry to say but afther 5 or 6 years i did try debian lenny and did like it for my laptop but not for a customer project :S |
| 00:04.06 | oh_noes | azeem: I dont understand. "Why would I want to create it"? How else will it exist in a new install if i dont create it? |
| 00:04.18 | azeem | kittonian: it's a context diff or so, not a unidiff |
| 00:04.27 | azeem | oh_noes: you ship it in the .deb |
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| 00:04.30 | ^Willie^ | wols: ok newer release or unstable ? |
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| 00:04.39 | kittonian | azeem: so what do i do with those lines? |
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| 00:04.53 | azeem | kittonian: I don't know, read the diff or patch manual |
| 00:04.59 | ma3x | i don't get this - i copy a file on usb pen drive and every damn time the md5sum is different on the pen drive |
| 00:05.00 | oh_noes | azeem: which I am currently doing. Thats my pont. I ship it in the deb. User modifies it. But then on upgrade, it's replaced with the new one from the debian. << How do I solve this problem? |
| 00:05.02 | wols | !tell ^Willie^ about squeeze |
| 00:05.02 | azeem | context diffs aren't very readable IMO |
| 00:05.16 | azeem | oh_noes: it's a solved problem, if *it's a conffile* |
| 00:05.28 | azeem | in that case, dpkg asks on upgrade |
| 00:05.33 | nsadmin | oh_noes is it also marked as a conffile? |
| 00:05.34 | oh_noes | azeem: I dont want the upgrade to change the file if the has been mofied from the previous version |
| 00:05.51 | nsadmin | oh_noes is it also marked as a conffile? |
| 00:05.52 | azeem | oh_noes: dude, you're not having the choice |
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| 00:05.59 | azeem | the *admin* has the choice |
| 00:06.04 | azeem | you're just the packager |
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| 00:06.19 | oh_noes | nsadmin: yes, it's in 'conffiles' |
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| 00:06.45 | nsadmin | so they should get that dialog that lets them choose what to do |
| 00:06.55 | Sier | how do I list my "disk controller" on debian? |
| 00:06.57 | oh_noes | but thats my question, I dont want to give them the choice. If they have modifed it, just leave it |
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| 00:07.08 | oh_noes | A good example if apache2.conf --- it doesnt ask you every upgrade to you want to keep it |
| 00:07.08 | azeem | oh_noes: see above |
| 00:07.12 | oh_noes | I want the same behaviour |
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| 00:07.28 | azeem | oh_noes: then don't mark it as conffile? |
| 00:07.31 | oh_noes | Okay, yesi understand when its tagged in confiles it's up to the admin to chose |
| 00:07.37 | nsadmin | if they're/you're not, sometjhing's wrong, perhaps with the conffiles entry |
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| 00:07.51 | oh_noes | azeem: okay ...good were making progress. THEN what if the standard way to create this file then? |
| 00:07.52 | EagleScreen | do you know the dbus command to increase the screen brightness? |
| 00:08.06 | azeem | oh_noes: I think you're overestimating your importance here |
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| 00:08.15 | azeem | unless you're packaging something like apache2 |
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| 00:08.28 | azeem | apache2 has a full-blown module enable/disable system |
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| 00:08.54 | azeem | my advice would be to trust the local admin to DTRT |
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| 00:09.36 | ^Willie^ | wols: something else on my debian box running gnome how to get disk i/o in the gnome system monitor ? |
| 00:09.39 | oh_noes | azeem: I do trust the local admin. I'm just trying to implement the 'feature' to not prompt the user |
| 00:09.56 | azeem | oh_noes: it's not a feature |
| 00:10.09 | ^Willie^ | wols: it can display everything but not disk i/o :S and something is making the disk busy for an hour and dunno what it is an fresh setup :S |
| 00:10.15 | nsadmin | oh_noes are you or are you not getting the "what do you want to do with this file" dialog when you try to install the package and the file in question exists? |
| 00:10.23 | azeem | oh_noes: and anyway, AFAIK, if you don't *change* the conffile on upgrade, the question wouldn't be asked |
| 00:10.27 | oh_noes | azeem: oh ok thanks, I didnt realize you had oversight into my features list in the product |
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| 00:11.02 | oh_noes | nsadmin: yes it does say that. |
| 00:11.15 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: it's not a question of oversight; if you're making a Debian package, it should follow policy |
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| 00:11.27 | nsadmin | oh, that's the standard behavior, and you got this part of the package right |
| 00:11.40 | azeem | oh_noes: however, maybe a "-X /etc/foobar.conf" argument to dh_installdeb will work, not sure |
| 00:11.41 | dbbolton | which package contains the "hlv" font? the files aren't actually named "hlv" so apt-file isn't helpful. |
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| 00:12.03 | oh_noes | azeem: correct. I suppose the piece of information here that I'm missing is that the upgrade is run with --force-yes which auto overwrites the file with the new version |
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| 00:12.05 | nsadmin | what are the files actually named? |
| 00:12.11 | oh_noes | okay well as long as I'm sticking to standards thats ok then |
| 00:12.17 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: you shouldn't ever use --force-yes |
| 00:12.31 | azeem | oh_noes: ugh |
| 00:12.39 | dbbolton | nsadmin how am i supposed to know that? |
| 00:12.59 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: agreed from an admin point of view. This is just an inherited system, though. So imagine a home router with a web Gui that runs the dpkg --force -y to upgrade |
| 00:13.11 | nsadmin | that's a good question which you can turn into "how can I find out" |
| 00:13.58 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: there's still no legitimate reason to use --force-all |
| 00:15.14 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: are you saying that every dpkg installation should be user-interactive? |
| 00:15.32 | ^Willie^ | wols: hmmzz found it |
| 00:15.47 | oh_noes | nsadmin: the file is /etc/appname/appname.conf |
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| 00:16.11 | ^Willie^ | wols: it whas no app that whas busy but the cpu fan's ball bearings making the same sound as a busy disk :S |
| 00:16.30 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: no, I'm saying that using --force is wrong. |
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| 00:17.07 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: if you need something to not be user-interactive, then you use specific --force options as necessary, or create the packages such that they don't trigger the use of things that require user interaction |
| 00:17.27 | azeem | there's not even a --force-yes option to dpkg AFAICT |
| 00:17.28 | dondelelcaro | has actually deployed systems that do repeated upgrades without user interaction |
| 00:17.54 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: Agreed! And thats my initial point i've been arguing with azeem about! I'm *TRYING* to change my package so that it won't prompt or automatically overwrite /etc/appname/appname.conf |
| 00:18.06 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: so my question and problem is, how do I do that? |
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| 00:18.43 | oh_noes | one person says "you must prompt the user" the other says "change your package so it doesnt prompt" |
| 00:18.49 | azeem | oh_noes: the point |
| 00:18.50 | azeem | is |
| 00:18.58 | oh_noes | and we wonder why 50000 different distributions exist in the GNU world :D |
| 00:18.58 | azeem | don't change your package, fix your dpkg/apt invocation |
| 00:19.14 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:19.20 | azeem | oh_noes: also, dpkg --force-help |
| 00:19.22 | oh_noes | azeem: where did you or anyone say that? :/ |
| 00:19.39 | themill | oh_noes: don't change the file on the local filesystem between installations. If it is changed, then you have to work out how you are going to fold the local admin's changes into your new config file |
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| 00:20.19 | oh_noes | themill: I don't want to change the file. IF it exists and hasnt been changed, include new default file. IF it exists and has been modified, LEAVE IT |
| 00:20.23 | azeem | oh_noes: sorry if that wasn't clear from the beginning |
| 00:20.35 | oh_noes | However, dpkg is being interesting, and because i have it as a "conffile" it is forcing the overwrite to new file |
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| 00:20.45 | azeem | oh_noes: no, it doesn't |
| 00:20.47 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: there are a few ways to do this. 1) change how you invoke dpkg 2) use ucf or similar instead of conffiles and always merge or retain 3) don't ship the file as a conffile, and copy it if it has been modified |
| 00:20.54 | azeem | only because your invocation is wrong |
| 00:21.29 | oh_noes | azeem: oh ok, so hopefully theres a --"dont overwrite any conffiles which have been modified" option? |
| 00:21.39 | azeem | oh_noes: it's even the default |
| 00:21.56 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: see --force-confdef --force-confold |
| 00:22.26 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: man dpkg; for more details |
| 00:22.36 | oh_noes | thanks, I'm looking at it now |
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| 00:23.36 | oh_noes | hrmm, maybe I need --confmiss (to install any missing conf files) and --confold (to keep the old user modified .conf) /me keeps reading |
| 00:24.49 | oh_noes | hopefully this is a stupid question: --force-all applied 'confdef'? |
| 00:24.55 | azeem | ehhhh |
| 00:25.02 | oh_noes | apply* |
| 00:25.17 | azeem | there's various obviously conflicting --force options pertaining to conffiles |
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| 00:25.43 | azeem | in any case, using --force-all is just so wrong it should be discussedin a sane support channel like this one |
| 00:26.01 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: no, you don't want confmiss by default... there are often configuration files which a perfectly configuration is to delete them |
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| 00:28.43 | Politics | So I'm running a Debian 5.03 live CD on my laptop, thinking about installing it, but I have a couple concerns. |
| 00:28.58 | Politics | Firstly, am I normally able to change my resolution on the Live CD? |
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| 00:29.56 | Politics | And secondly, my wireless device exists and everything is up and running, and Debian evidently has detected the device chipset, but I'm not seeing any signal/noise. |
| 00:30.05 | Politics | Can anyone offer an explanation for that? |
| 00:30.23 | Politics | wlan0 shows a wireless extension, but wmaster0 doesn't. |
| 00:30.25 | dondelelcaro | Politics: 1) yes 2) you probably don't have the wireless device brought up |
| 00:30.33 | dondelelcaro | Politics: it'll be wlan0 |
| 00:30.42 | dondelelcaro | (wmaster0 is just a detail of some chipsets) |
| 00:30.43 | Politics | Oh, maybe I'm just silly. |
| 00:30.44 | Politics | Sec |
| 00:30.57 | dondelelcaro | (or associated with an AP) |
| 00:31.20 | Politics | Ugh, it's been a while since I've used iwconfig |
| 00:31.28 | Politics | Mind reminding me what the command to bring a device up is? |
| 00:31.57 | steerpike | probably just the driver |
| 00:31.57 | steerpike | wasn't implemented |
| 00:32.33 | dondelelcaro | Politics: ip link set wlan0 up |
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| 00:32.35 | steerpike | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:32.49 | nervousTwitch | ok here is plain english im using compiz the core package is .8.2 the plugin package is .8.4 so compiz is not working will all bells and whistles what do i do wait until they are all .8.4? |
| 00:33.14 | Politics | The device appears up from ifconfig, but I don't see anything indicating that it's up in iwconfig. |
| 00:33.40 | steerpike | if it's up in ifconfig, then it's up |
| 00:34.00 | Politics | Ah, so it's something else. |
| 00:34.11 | nsadmin | try iwlist scan |
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| 00:34.20 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-fusion |
| 00:34.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'compiz-fusion' was found. |
| 00:34.31 | steerpike | umm.. the problem is that you don't see signal/noise? |
| 00:34.39 | Politics | wlan0 shows "No scan results" |
| 00:34.53 | Politics | The others don't support scanning. |
| 00:34.57 | steerpike | oh, hrm |
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| 00:36.07 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-core |
| 00:36.09 | judd | compiz-core -- etch: 0.2.2-1; etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 00:36.22 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-plugins |
| 00:36.23 | judd | compiz-plugins -- etch: 0.2.2-1; etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
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| 00:37.02 | Titan8990 | nervousTwitch: 8.4 of both are in sid. sounds like your either mixing squeeze/sid or haven't updated sid |
| 00:37.02 | steerpike | try reloading the module |
| 00:37.02 | steerpike | intel is lame like that |
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| 00:37.49 | steerpike | Politics? |
| 00:37.53 | Titan8990 | Politics: what card do you have? |
| 00:38.13 | nervousTwitch | squeeze is showing compiz-fusion-plugins-main .8.4.1 while compiz-core is .8.2.6 |
| 00:38.25 | Politics | Lemme find the name. |
| 00:38.29 | steerpike | lsmod | grep iwl |
| 00:38.44 | steerpike | just run that as root |
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| 00:38.58 | Titan8990 | Politics: lspci -nn is preferred |
| 00:38.59 | stealth- | does the debian server kernel not come with hyperthreading support? |
| 00:39.17 | Titan8990 | stealth-: it does |
| 00:39.27 | stealth- | Hmm, wierd |
| 00:39.31 | stealth- | k, thanks |
| 00:39.33 | Politics | Atheros AR242x |
| 00:39.52 | steerpike | oh, thought it was an intel |
| 00:39.52 | Titan8990 | stealth-: but... we don't have a seperate server kernel, so you might be looking for #ubuntu |
| 00:39.53 | steerpike | weird |
| 00:40.09 | steerpike | atheros should have named its interface ath0 |
| 00:40.20 | stealth- | Titan8990: no, not ubuntu. I just threw in "server kernel" cause I couldn't remember if there was a separate one or not ;) |
| 00:40.24 | Politics | hm |
| 00:40.42 | steerpike | probably not important |
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| 00:40.54 | Titan8990 | !at5k' |
| 00:40.54 | steerpike | must be what debian has set in udev rules |
| 00:40.55 | Titan8990 | !at5k |
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| 00:41.02 | Titan8990 | alright... I fail |
| 00:41.06 | Titan8990 | !ath5k |
| 00:41.06 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>. |
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| 00:41.49 | Politics | Ah |
| 00:42.07 | Politics | Damn, I was hoping I could avoid working with drivers. |
| 00:42.11 | Titan8990 | Politics: if you are having issues, follow the wiki for madwifi drivers |
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| 00:42.56 | Politics | Aye. |
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| 00:44.10 | Politics | Before I install debian and go to work: How would I change my resolution on the live CD through a GUI or shell? |
| 00:44.20 | Politics | I want to be sure that there are no issues with X |
| 00:44.31 | Titan8990 | Politics: the livecd is not an installer |
| 00:44.55 | Politics | Installing is trivial. I can download another disk if I need it. |
| 00:45.54 | Titan8990 | Politics: anyways, i would use xrandr |
| 00:46.07 | Titan8990 | Politics: what graphics card do you have? |
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| 00:47.03 | Politics | A built-in GeForce 7000M |
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| 00:48.09 | Titan8990 | Politics: you will want different drivers than is on the livecd |
| 00:48.41 | Politics | so you think it's a problem that's exclusive to the live CD, and should be easily resolvable? |
| 00:49.17 | Titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 00:49.17 | dpkg | nvidia m-a is probably The short version: aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 00:49.36 | Titan8990 | Politics: most likely, yes |
| 00:49.43 | Politics | Cool. |
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| 00:50.09 | Politics | Thanks, Titan8990 and steerpike. |
| 00:50.15 | Titan8990 | Politics: np |
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| 01:00.03 | macrobat | Ctrl-f for search does nothing in xchat. does xchat have a search function in lenny? |
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| 01:01.15 | edwin_quijada | there is a VM in linux console to emulate a windows |
| 01:01.37 | macrobat | i can't find "search" in xchat keyboard shortcuts |
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| 01:01.48 | amphi | edwin_quijada: qemu using sdl perhaps |
| 01:02.04 | edwin_quijada | sdl? |
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| 01:02.44 | amphi | ISTR qemu would work in console, by means of sdl or svgalib or summat |
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| 01:03.03 | edwin_quijada | ok |
| 01:03.11 | edwin_quijada | time to google |
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| 01:04.34 | linuxguy | Hi, Ive just been reading debian web pages about squeeze and sid, is squuezea a safer distro to try out and use that sid? |
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| 01:09.44 | robbles | linuxguy: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
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| 01:18.38 | linuxguy | robbles: so it seems a better bet then than sid, and the other testing /unstable distros..........to use squeeze? |
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| 01:20.29 | adb | linuxguy, go for lenny |
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| 01:31.53 | linuxguy | adb: Ive used lenny for ages quite like it to, but one big problem i find are the repos are not upto date, and its hard to find what you need, eg i play for practice online poker (poker th) debians repo will not work anymore |
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| 01:33.14 | adb | linuxguy, stay on ubuntu ... for ever |
| 01:33.23 | beardy | !customer |
| 01:33.24 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 01:35.51 | acu | The biggest blackbox - how to make flash-plugin have some kind of sound - this is happening with all debians - I am using squeeze - and do not know what to do - sound system works fine - except sound in youtube etc - can anyone help ? |
| 01:36.30 | superjet_busy | dh_installexamples always gzip first file in debian/foo.examples, how to override it? |
| 01:36.47 | wolfbytes | acu: install libflashsupport see if that helps |
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| 01:39.03 | imganquan | Hi all. I write a module which depends other modules provided by system. When I use "modprobe mymodule" to load it, modprobe says "unknown symbol in module", How to solve the dependency? Thanks. |
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| 01:40.55 | acu | wolfbytes, is not in the repository for squeeze - but I will look |
| 01:41.29 | dondelelcaro | imganquan: depmod |
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| 01:42.26 | adb | acu, apt-cache search libflashsupport |
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| 01:42.58 | adb | , versions flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 01:43.00 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound -- lenny/contrib: 0.0.svn2431-3; sid/contrib: 0.0.svn2431-3; squeeze/contrib: 0.0.svn2431-3 |
| 01:43.09 | imganquan | dondelelcaro: I searched some information about depmod, but I can not use it to generate the modules.dep for my module, can you tell me how to use it? Should I write the dependency in /lib/module/`uname -r`/modules.dep manually? |
| 01:44.20 | dondelelcaro | imganquan: assuming you're using the standard method of building kernel modules, and you're installing them to the proper location, depmod calculates the dependencies automatically and modprobe loads them correctly |
| 01:44.20 | adb | acu, add make sure 'contrib' is in sources.list |
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| 01:44.27 | wolfbytes | j |
| 01:44.36 | dondelelcaro | imganquan: I personally haven't ever written a kernel module, so I'm not sure what the right procedure is, but presumably you can take an existing out-of-tree module, and use that as a base |
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| 01:44.48 | dondelelcaro | imganquan: but all of that really isn't on topic for #debian |
| 01:45.48 | imganquan | dondelelcaro: OK. Thank you, you are really warm hearted. I'll go other channel ask for help. Thank you all the same. |
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| 01:49.47 | linuxguy | adb: useful advice......seeing as I dont like the ubuntus |
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| 01:50.41 | adb | linuxguy, so use what right now? |
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| 01:52.15 | acu | OK guys the sound for flash still does not work there is no libflashupport or flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound on squeeze - abd and judd - maybe you can dig a bit deeper in your brains and outwit the computer ? |
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| 01:53.08 | linuxguy | AbsintheSyringe2: currently I am giving suse ag try, I used lenny, sidux, kubuntu for a while, but I found that the repos were getting dated, graphics drivers needed working on |
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| 01:53.51 | AbsintheSyringe2 | linuxguy, good for you |
| 01:54.14 | macrobat | linuxguy: tab fail? :) |
| 01:54.31 | acu | wawy - (as Borat says) - it is unbelievable that this basic function still sucks - of course the ideal is that all 6.4 billion humans should program for Debian :) |
| 01:56.12 | adb | acuyou said sound works , except in flash ? |
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| 01:56.18 | acu | yes |
| 01:56.41 | adb | so blame flash , it's proprietary code |
| 01:56.52 | ma3x | how can i feed the badblocks to fsck.vfat? |
| 01:56.54 | macrobat | could it be jack? jack doesnt like flash sound |
| 01:57.19 | acu | OK, let me see - maybe I have too many pulse, alsa etc - that may be a problem - abd - I blame flash - they have beaten the freedom - and we are miserable and cursing :) |
| 01:57.37 | adb | acu, my ADB please |
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| 01:58.09 | adb | me* |
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| 01:59.05 | acu | adb: please forgive me for kludge type of shortcuts :) |
| 01:59.14 | z3rograv1ty | need help |
| 01:59.15 | z3rograv1ty | http://pastebin.com/3r6C2PAF |
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| 01:59.27 | z3rograv1ty | any quick steps to create ca certs? |
| 01:59.36 | stuart | can i solve my BCM4312 (dell laptop wifi adapter) issues by upgrading to latest kernel? |
| 01:59.44 | adb | acu, las-o balta , np |
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| 02:00.28 | adb | !BCM4312 |
| 02:00.28 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except the low-power PCIe (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB") in kernels < 2.6.32. If you have this specific device, ask me about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. Initial support is available in b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, which requires <b43-fwcutter> from Git and firmware 4.174.64.19; see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp for details. |
| 02:01.19 | linuxguy | AbsintheSyringe2: yes sorry about that :( |
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| 02:01.36 | AbsintheSyringe | linuxguy, np ;) |
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| 02:03.59 | acu | adb: I am not able to see bercea mondialu on youtube - very frustrating LOL |
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| 02:04.57 | acu | How do you say - lots of laughter on your own ? |
| 02:05.01 | linuxguy | adb: I am not having ago at debian,,,,,,,I was asking earlier was squeeze a safer bet than testing and unstable, and were the repos more upto date? |
| 02:05.49 | acu | linuxguy: is not squeeze testing? |
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| 02:07.17 | acu | linuxguy: squeeze is to much updated - everything is cutting edge - applications drivers etc - but there are still glitches |
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| 02:07.48 | acu | but is kick ass (to use some unacademic terms - GO Squeeze :) linuxguy |
| 02:08.28 | macrobat | unstable is more up to date |
| 02:08.38 | macrobat | a few days |
| 02:09.35 | macrobat | just install and see, if it breaks you can keep both pieces |
| 02:09.57 | adb | sns |
| 02:10.01 | adb | !sns |
| 02:10.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 02:11.11 | macrobat | this channel is so hostile against sid :) |
| 02:11.31 | adb | !sid |
| 02:11.31 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 02:11.33 | acu | this people are hostile against everything - including themselves :) |
| 02:11.46 | adb | !acu |
| 02:11.47 | dpkg | methinks acu is a raid specific term which means Array Configuration Utility |
| 02:12.12 | acu | LOL - I thought is Advance Computerized Universe :) |
| 02:12.15 | dvs | breaks macrobat's toys |
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| 02:12.40 | acu | !adb |
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| 02:13.38 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: glad to know it worked :{ |
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| 02:13.40 | SerajewelKS | :)* |
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| 02:14.17 | acu | OK, where in the linux can you switch among sound cards ? If you have an external USB and internal -ne |
| 02:14.29 | macrobat | pets his new and shiny iceweasel |
| 02:15.06 | acu | 3.5.8 such unromantic pet |
| 02:15.28 | acu | is like prisonier number 35835845 |
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| 02:16.07 | acu | Thanks God humans are not Gods - they would name everything by numbers |
| 02:17.00 | adb | chipped humans , to poor |
| 02:17.12 | stuart | i have installed netinst, but can't seem to connect to the internet? |
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| 02:17.30 | stuart | i use a router + connected wires, how do i connect |
| 02:17.35 | acu | macrobat: here you are 011010010110001101100101011101110110010101100001 |
| 02:17.35 | acu | 0111001101100101011011000000110100001010 |
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| 02:18.01 | Titan8990 | stuart: dhcp is failing? |
| 02:18.14 | stuart | Titan8990, how do i check |
| 02:18.24 | stuart | because basically all i do is plug the cable in and the router does everything for me |
| 02:18.26 | Titan8990 | stuart: dhclient eth0 |
| 02:18.47 | Titan8990 | stuart: that should have been configured from the installation though |
| 02:19.28 | stuart | okay i'm gonna unplug this wire to plug into my laptop, got any more ideas how i can connect to the internet with my netinst? |
| 02:20.46 | acu | stuart type /sbin/ifconfig and see whether you got a local IP = but when you netinstall - at the very begining it tells you that the network is screwed if it cannot go to repositories - but it seem you were drinking beer then - I think you should start again the installation netinst - and watch the configuration - if it doesnot find DHCP means you have to assign IP and netmask - but most probably your card or cable is NOT PLUGED - plea |
| 02:20.47 | acu | se put the beer aside and look at the back of your computer and at the hub |
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| 02:22.51 | Titan8990 | doesn't know that it should really be called a "hub" |
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| 02:24.03 | acu | Titan8990, OK router, modem whatever - but is possible to be a hub connected to a router :) |
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| 02:24.34 | Titan8990 | acu: usually a switch built into the router |
| 02:24.36 | acu | stuart got scared due to lecturing regarding the sin of drinking beer when you install debian |
| 02:24.55 | acu | a switch indeed :) |
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| 02:25.07 | dvs | or is it a hub? ;-) |
| 02:25.32 | Titan8990 | I have an in-depth switch book which constantly refers to switches as "bridges" |
| 02:25.58 | Titan8990 | just to add a little more confusion |
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| 02:26.22 | PinkFreud | nonsense. drinking beer while installing debian never hurt anyone. |
| 02:26.37 | dvs | what if you spill it? |
| 02:27.03 | squisher | I'm hitting bug 564133, a build issue with xorg-server-core... anyone have an idea? Unfortunately there's no comment on that bug |
| 02:27.27 | PinkFreud | ... now, if I could only remember what my root password is, why I have 228 logical volumes, and why my pc is wearing a silly green party hat... |
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| 02:27.38 | squisher | wow, I can't even rebuild without quilt complaining... Ugh. |
| 02:28.07 | Titan8990 | squisher: don't use squeeze/sid? |
| 02:29.00 | squisher | Titan8990, any useful suggestions? I'm trying to debug an issue in the X server. |
| 02:29.24 | squisher | it's not like I was complaining about not getting any help.... |
| 02:30.14 | Titan8990 | squisher: wait for the bug to be fixed, or the version to changed |
| 02:30.25 | squisher | Titan8990, the version already changed. |
| 02:30.55 | Titan8990 | squisher: then it might help if you posted on the bug report to let them know it still exists in the new version |
| 02:31.12 | squisher | Yeah, I'm doing that already |
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| 02:31.36 | linuxguy | acu: thanks for the positive input there..........I will look at it, any devs thought about putting like "a look of squeeze" on youtube at all?...just an idea |
| 02:31.36 | stuart | okay i can connect, now i wanna set up xfce, what do i need to apt-get |
| 02:31.58 | Titan8990 | stuart: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
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| 02:32.15 | stuart | Titan8990, k brb |
| 02:32.16 | Titan8990 | stuart: in the future, use `aptitude search xfce4` |
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| 02:34.29 | acu | linuxguy: good idea- but do not wait -dive in - it is quite nice - sleek and modern - and everything is new and shiny - Ekiga - VLC you name it - of course there are still things like network configuration tools in KDE or GNOME do not work properly - so you need to ask this geeks, but otherwise is very nice - a lot of drivers - and you can have some proprietary ones loaded on a usb stick and have them sipped in while you install it |
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| 02:35.36 | linuxguy | acu: thats what i like to hear, Im getting some hds next week I can give it a try on quite new kit :) |
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| 02:36.59 | Titan8990 | stuart: do you have the tcl dev package installed? |
| 02:37.20 | stuart | Titan8990, turns out i don't have xfce4, where do i get the serverlist to put into sources.list ? |
| 02:37.34 | acu | linuxguy: it is pretty cool - I have different webcams etc - they were all recognized and all - but the feel is sleek - is like driving a www.teslamotors.com :) |
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| 02:37.56 | Titan8990 | !sources.list |
| 02:37.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:38.15 | linuxguy | acu: i am confident to give it awhirl next week :) |
| 02:38.31 | Titan8990 | stuart: the two there. add contrib and non-free to the if you prefer |
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| 02:38.58 | Titan8990 | stuart: and replace <cc> with your country code, i.e. - us |
| 02:39.14 | acu | linuxguy: great - enjoy - and wait to download the daily then - since this is constantly updating - perhaps it makes sense to use the latest netinst |
| 02:39.24 | nsadmin | remember that downgrading is NOT supported, so if you want ANY HOPE of going back, you have to back up |
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| 02:40.10 | nsadmin | "constantly updating" is the opposite of stable |
| 02:40.36 | acu | nsadmin, we were talking about squeeze :) |
| 02:40.41 | adb | nsadmin, i found that formula funny 'one way ticket' .. |
| 02:41.16 | nsadmin | acu and? |
| 02:41.31 | acu | and is squeeze is not stable |
| 02:42.09 | nsadmin | personally I like not having to upgrade every 5 seconds |
| 02:42.28 | nsadmin | I also like software that works reliably |
| 02:42.59 | nsadmin | "outdated" is completely irrelevent if it does its job |
| 02:43.00 | gurugeek | hi, can you help me with "naming violation" error in my db.ldif config? |
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| 02:43.38 | acu | nsadmin: you are right - I was just swinging between using squeeze or lenny - but I need stability - so I install it in few servers - and it feels like a tank - what is missing from there is a continuous AC/DC music :) |
| 02:44.05 | acu | nsadmin, but I have squeeze in two workstations and is preety cool |
| 02:44.07 | nsadmin | "I'm a problem child"? |
| 02:44.32 | acu | that's a song ? |
| 02:44.44 | nsadmin | the first acdc song I ever heard |
| 02:44.46 | acu | I listen to old stuff - Back in Black |
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| 02:44.58 | acu | oh |
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| 02:45.00 | Emzzzz | http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268361510.jpg/ do my tits look big? |
| 02:45.00 | dvs | thunderstruck! |
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| 02:45.02 | nsadmin | back in black was much later |
| 02:45.45 | acu | hells bells should be listen to every morning at 5:30 sharp |
| 02:45.55 | dvs | that'd wake me up! |
| 02:47.02 | acu | dvs: this is the only way to happinness - be useful and show up at work 30 minutes before time |
| 02:47.45 | nsadmin | or make your own money |
| 02:47.54 | acu | print them yes |
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| 02:49.22 | acu | hell - a bunch of old guys in treasury department do that - and get away with it - but now - they even do not print it - see Zeitgeist Addendum http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#docid=7065205277695921912 |
| 02:49.53 | adb | !tell acu -about ot |
| 02:50.53 | nsadmin | I saw a fairly amazing demo the other day... you first search for topics, and you get a list of topics together with the amount google adsense pays per click... you pick one, it shows a list of free domain names... you pick one and some search keywords, and it buys a domain name and builds a site within 10 secs that is updated every day, and every update informs any number of social net accts, and it hooks to 4 payperclick sites |
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| 02:51.23 | nsadmin | the site builder has a page where it shows the clicks coming in with the amount they pay |
| 02:51.34 | acu | abd: the guardian of precision - of course the floor is yours, I know you are a religious man and you will forgive me this time too |
| 02:51.35 | nsadmin | in real time |
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| 02:52.36 | acu | nsadmin: is useless, you will die without leaving any lasting legacy - get in something useful and perpetually amplifying :) |
| 02:52.40 | adb | acu, still adb |
| 02:53.17 | squisher | nsadmin, wow, that's a quite impressive site builder... |
| 02:53.22 | acu | adb: gosh - I have to take a break :) have a nice day all of you guys |
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| 02:53.27 | squisher | no wonder I see so many polluted search results in Google ;-) |
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| 02:54.01 | nsadmin | acu: you're kidding, right? the sites build in 10 secs, you don't have to do anything else, it automatically searches with the keywords you picked for articles and adds those |
| 02:54.52 | acu | nsadmin: I still do not get it - why is this useful ? I should perhaps read more careful your comments |
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| 02:56.06 | nsadmin | acu: you can make a lot of money, and you don't have to go into work |
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| 02:56.34 | adb | nsadmin, URL, please |
| 02:56.51 | nsadmin | squisher: yes, that's exactly right |
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| 02:56.58 | \3TATUK | The following updates *STILL* haven't received change-log updates via update-manager (it's been a *LONG* time[They all return 'The list of changes is not available yet. Please try again later']): cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common ffmpeg libavdevice52 libavformat52 libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libcups2 libcupsimage2 libcupsys2 libpostproc51 libsmbclient libwbclient0 locales python2.4 python2.4-minimal python2.5 python2.5-dev pytho |
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| 02:57.26 | nsadmin | he wants 10,000 dollars to let you use it |
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| 02:57.33 | squisher | nsadmin, I personally believe that google is building up its own little internet bubble. These sites generate no actual value, yet make money, which in turn makes google money. |
| 02:57.51 | adb | nsadmin, okeiii |
| 02:57.56 | acu | nsadmin: man, you are still into it, I do believe we are in rough primitivism and there is a lot of ignorance out there - but to get paid for something utterly useless that's beyond my little baby brain :) |
| 02:58.03 | squisher | hm, no way for me to relate 10k without knowing what you really could earn... |
| 02:58.17 | nsadmin | the guy is adam something, the first ebay millionaire |
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| 02:59.35 | acu | squisher: when ignorance is blinded by size - it is possible such abnormalities - but I doubt this lasts - we are already late :( |
| 02:59.42 | nsadmin | acu: the push is to apply scalability to making money... if you can keep up an exponential growth rate, you can offset the exponential value-loss rate that money is suffering now |
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| 03:01.00 | nsadmin | they generate monitary value, and if the topic is sufficiently focused, the site will make money |
| 03:01.49 | nsadmin | because if the topic is focused, that makes the site useful to someone who wants to buy, say, true religion jeans |
| 03:02.53 | acu | nsadmin: man you talk like in zeitgeist addendum - is way beyond my head - I know this little - this society with its rules will collapse within 10 years - why because almost everything is built by machines and 2% of population - 2 % get the bulk benefit and the rest of 96% are jobless - and there is no real use for them - it will be a blockage which will require a new paradigm - and I think the next is true - positive integrative an |
| 03:02.54 | acu | d useful education - biotech biomed to engineer happinness and longevity |
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| 03:04.25 | acu | but we are in a beautiful offtopic :) the debian police is going to engorge their reptilian dominant brain and remind us of our sins :) |
| 03:05.03 | nsadmin | acu: so if you make a site about clothes and your search keywords are "clothes", this is marketing to everyone which is the same as marketing to no one |
| 03:05.53 | nsadmin | acu: on the other hand if you make a site about levis pullover shirts, more people will (eventually) come |
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| 03:08.32 | acu | nsadmin: there is a saying " logic is the right way to reach the wrong conclusion with confidence" - people do not buy their items from one hundred webshops - most have two three sites at max - because they want reliablility - and having a web with levis pullover they will not buy it even if is 1 $ - because... so this addsense is a non-sense :) |
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| 03:09.59 | acu | but squisher mentioned so elegantly about a symbolic bubble - perhaps there is enough ignorance to capitalize on it :) |
| 03:10.11 | nsadmin | acu: but one person who is searching for levis pullover shirts might go to a site offering specific info about the shirts |
| 03:10.26 | nsadmin | that is... if he can find the site |
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| 03:10.53 | dvs | looks at the channel name again. |
| 03:11.02 | acu | LOL |
| 03:11.10 | acu | dvs LOL |
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| 03:11.29 | nsadmin | let's just say the demo was amazing |
| 03:11.38 | neurodamage | w00t, just upgraded my lenny -> squeeze, very nice |
| 03:11.52 | acu | neurodamage, so what is your question ? |
| 03:12.02 | neurodamage | good upgrades on packages and kernel to have better intel driver fps |
| 03:12.32 | neurodamage | acu: more like a hey upgrade kernel + system with newer xorg-*-intel* and you don't have to deal with slower fps to your screen |
| 03:13.22 | acu | neurodamage: congratulations -so you have no question - you wanted to share you joy with us :) |
| 03:14.02 | acu | neuorodamage: where is your damage? prefrontal cortex ? |
| 03:14.06 | dvs | acu: where is the levi's pullover package ;-) |
| 03:14.13 | acu | LOL |
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| 03:15.45 | adb | dvs, apt-cache search levis |
| 03:15.55 | dvs | heh |
| 03:16.19 | acu | I still have no sound on squeeze AMD64 for my flashplugin |
| 03:16.41 | neurodamage | acu: just sharing joy :) |
| 03:17.03 | nervousTwitch | ok using aptitude in debian package for compiz-core is .8.2-6 the compiz-fusion-plugins-main is .8.4-1 so... none of the plugins work .. but i can use compiz as a w/m without an issue. |
| 03:18.04 | acu | neurodamage: all debian are kind of masochists - they enjoy intelectual self-torture, uselessness and strong feelings of inadequacy - cured by all powerful persistence and stubborness |
| 03:18.35 | micols | how do i copy an /etc backup with correct permissions over in my etc which i got permissions changed to nobody in, i tried cp -rp ./etcbck /etc without luck, it doesn't update the permissions? |
| 03:18.49 | micols | i would like not to remove my /etc :) |
| 03:19.03 | neurodamage | acu: excellent my kind of place :P |
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| 03:19.36 | micols | also cp -ax, cp -arp , cp -ap didn't work |
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| 03:20.00 | micols | (ignore cp -arp), as -r is in -a |
| 03:22.21 | acu | micols: why are you torturing yourself so much? and put the question straight so we know what you want. /etc is owned by root from group root - the owner has writing writes whil the group and others has read permissions |
| 03:23.05 | acu | so you can just copy your /etc backup to your /etc and change ownership back to root |
| 03:23.09 | micols | i have an /etc backup in user:~/etc , my current /etc got chowned nobody:root by rsync, i want permissions restored |
| 03:23.25 | micols | chmod root:root -R /etc will surely not be the right way |
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| 03:23.32 | micols | as some files are group shadow etc. |
| 03:23.43 | micols | and i am afraid of rm -r /etc , before copying over |
| 03:23.47 | micols | migth crash the system |
| 03:25.37 | acu | micols copy your backup somewhere else and do mv maybe it will work http://www.computerhope.com/unix/umv.htm |
| 03:26.01 | micols | oh yes, i better take a backup of the backup first |
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| 03:27.15 | acu | micols: i will leave you in better hands - we have a long involved intelectual discussion prior your arrival - my brain is fried and I feel inadequate that I did not do my work - but the people in here are phenomenal :) |
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| 03:28.09 | syntaxx | is there any open source video conference applications/services around? |
| 03:28.52 | acu | ekiga |
| 03:29.14 | micols | acu: i sorted it out hehe |
| 03:29.20 | acu | sybtaxx: ekiga |
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| 03:29.37 | acu | micols: good for you (and us) :) |
| 03:29.39 | micols | i was pretty tired, to command i mentioned did create a new dir in /etc as dst is a dir ;) |
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| 03:33.18 | syntaxx | acu: ekiga is a server like asterisk? |
| 03:33.37 | adb | apt-cache show ekiga |
| 03:33.55 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 03:34.06 | adb | apt-cache show asterisk |
| 03:34.34 | adb | !search |
| 03:34.35 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 03:34.37 | acu | ekiga is a client you can connect directly through IP or through a server ekiga.net - or you can create your own - it kicks ass big time |
| 03:34.59 | acu | high quality video - voip capabilities etc |
| 03:35.17 | acu | and believe it or not - they have even a windows version |
| 03:35.46 | syntaxx | nice |
| 03:35.52 | nervousTwitch | can some one tell me what aptitude says the newest version of compiz-fusion-plugins-main is ..please |
| 03:36.27 | squisher | ,version compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 03:36.27 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 03:36.33 | squisher | dang, oh well |
| 03:36.40 | adb | judd> compiz-fusion-plugins-main -- lenny: 0.7.6-1; sid: 0.8.4-1; squeeze: 0.8.4-1 |
| 03:36.43 | acu | syntaxx: what debian version do you use ? |
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| 03:37.22 | macrobat | squisher: ,versions |
| 03:37.30 | macrobat | nvm |
| 03:37.30 | nervousTwitch | then why would the core be 0.8.2-6 |
| 03:37.31 | squisher | thanks macrobat |
| 03:37.31 | acu | hello syntax, you are a suspect of not using Debian because you did not answer in two seconds - |
| 03:39.08 | adb | , versions compiz-core |
| 03:39.11 | judd | compiz-core -- etch: 0.2.2-1; etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 03:39.26 | acu | syntaxx: lenny has an obsolete ugly Ekiga - for true value and power and beauty you need to have debian squeeze - which installs EKIGA 3.2.6 (the very latest) - but if you run lenny I strongly recomend to install somehow a 3 or above Ekiga |
| 03:39.56 | syntaxx | acu: sorry i was reading ekiga |
| 03:40.58 | acu | do not read too much man - is free - install it and go to EDIT ___ PREFERENCES - and see the audio and video devices you want to use |
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| 03:41.24 | acu | also at view you should choose - VIEW - CALL PANEL - syntaxx |
| 03:41.33 | LordVorp | My system is in runlevel 2, yet I have a gui at the console. I thought was only supposed to do that at runlevel 5 .. ? |
| 03:41.48 | syntaxx | acu: im reading the basic of voip as well.. haven't configured it |
| 03:41.50 | LordVorp | how do I turn off the gui at console? (I still want the X stuff for remote access) |
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| 03:42.03 | adb | LordVorp, not in debian ... |
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| 03:42.52 | LordVorp | adb: thank you for telling me what I already knew. Do you know the answer to the part I DON'T already know? |
| 03:42.53 | LordVorp | :) |
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| 03:43.25 | nervousTwitch | what do i do to make this work? |
| 03:44.11 | macrobat | runlevels 2-5 are the same |
| 03:44.28 | LordVorp | OK. How do I kill the console gui? |
| 03:44.34 | adb | what's 'gui at the console' ? |
| 03:44.42 | acu | syntaxx: for voip you need a carrier - such as 12voip.com (very excellent rates all over the world) and you can configure it in 30 seconds - YOU go EDIT - ACCOUNTS - ADD A SIP account and add the registrar etc - also you need to change in PREFERENCES - SIP SETTINGS - and at sip: 12voip.com |
| 03:44.48 | macrobat | you kill the login manager |
| 03:44.54 | macrobat | like gdm |
| 03:45.09 | macrobat | and uninstall it |
| 03:45.26 | LordVorp | so am I correct in understanding, that if gdm is present, it will fire at boot time? |
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| 03:46.04 | LordVorp | actually, it's kdm, and that seems to be true, so I'll just turn it off. |
| 03:46.20 | macrobat | maybe there is a way to plain disable it without removing it |
| 03:47.03 | LordVorp | worked for me: sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
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| 03:47.10 | LordVorp | after stopping kdm, of course |
| 03:47.20 | macrobat | maybe there are still ways to set up a runlevel |
| 03:47.41 | LordVorp | macrobat: yeah but that's messing w/ /etc/inittab... dangerous if you dont' have a "good" reason. |
| 03:47.46 | bshotts | LordVorp: i'm not exactly sure how to do this in Debian, but you need to change the runlevel at boot time to not start X. that way X apps will still be available for remote execution but the console will be text. on Red Hat systems you change the runlevel to 3 rather than 5. |
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| 03:48.24 | Hippie` | I'm having a bit of an issue, I can't run xterm or any terminal emulator even though they are installed and I have all the right permissions etc etc, the only terminal access I have is before I start X, anyone got any ideas or can point me in the right direction? googles not helping me find anything |
| 03:48.34 | LordVorp | bshotts: I fully understood all of that, my confusion was related to being in RL2 and X at the same time. I've established it's based on kdm/gdm running, which fires up X. So I turned taht off. Solved. |
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| 03:49.43 | syntaxx | acu: thanks for the overview.. i will try out voip.. sip is the important part of voip right? to be able to call and be called |
| 03:50.15 | LordVorp | bshotts: and in case it wasn't clear, in debian there IS a gui in runlevel 2, if kdm/gdm are running. |
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| 04:08.11 | hardbop200 | I've built all of my custom kernels using make-kpkg, and that seems to work fine, but I keep thinking that there is some black magic in the deb kernels that might be nice to have. damned if I can work it out, tho... :) |
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| 04:10.21 | adb | the black magic in the deb kernels is ...have to not build them |
| 04:10.52 | nervousTwitch | usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'core' has ABI version '20090207', expected ABI version '20090619' this is my exact error |
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| 04:12.43 | adb | nervousTwitch, file a bug report about that |
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| 04:14.19 | hardbop200 | adb: they aren't gonna merge the rt patches in there, no-sir-ree, so those of us that want it will have to do it on our own. |
| 04:14.51 | adb | hardbop200, yes |
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| 04:17.15 | adb | !tell hardbop200 -about debian kernel |
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| 04:21.20 | hardbop200 | adb: yea, I've been down that road, but thank you for pointing it out. |
| 04:21.57 | adb | so now you get the 'The Debian Way(tm)' ;) |
| 04:23.23 | hardbop200 | yes, but not the 'debian kernel maintainer way" :( |
| 04:23.40 | hardbop200 | it's just an exercise anyway, nothing critical |
| 04:23.51 | hardbop200 | doing it for teh learning |
| 04:24.18 | adb | try #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net too |
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| 04:25.44 | nsadmin | does the debian kernel packaging structure include a patch dir? |
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| 04:27.10 | macrobat | hardbop200: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 i think there was an rt thread somewhere too |
| 04:29.05 | hardbop200 | macrobat: thank you |
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| 04:49.15 | Scrambles | Hi all. Got a question. I had a directory containing numerous files. I copied it using hard links, with "cp -al". Then, I made some changes to the resulting directory, replacing some files with new ones. Is there a way I can (maybe using du?) to determine the extra disk space utilized solely by the new copy? |
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| 04:51.14 | docgnome | i'm trying to install openjdk-6-jre from stable on testing. I've got stable listed in my /etc/apt/preferences with a Pin-Priority of 550 but when i try to do aptitude install openjdk-6-jre/stable it doesn't install |
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| 04:53.11 | docgnome | any ideas why? |
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| 04:55.38 | Ted_Luke | Hi Guys |
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| 04:56.48 | Ted_Luke | Was wondering if anyone has solution to missing "site_perl" directory in debian 5.04 installation |
| 04:57.18 | Ted_Luke | Any possible solution or work-around ? |
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| 04:58.07 | psi-jack | When is Debian's next major release scheduled or estimated? |
| 04:58.23 | mns | psi-jack: when its ready ? :) |
| 04:58.38 | psi-jack | hence, estimate. ;) |
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| 04:58.58 | mns | that is the estimate :) |
| 04:59.11 | psi-jack | I know 5.0.1 was released April 2009, and 5.0.4 January 2010. but I was curious. |
| 04:59.15 | dendrix | DEBIAN VS SLACKWARE WHAT'S THE HACKERS CHOICE? ,03trying not to sound stupid |
| 04:59.30 | mns | IIRC it sometime 2nd half of this year. |
| 05:00.01 | wols_ | !wwsr |
| 05:00.01 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 05:00.20 | stuart | hm, does upgrading to 2.6.33 kernel solve broadcom wifi problems? |
| 05:00.34 | wols_ | stuart: which kernel do you run now? |
| 05:00.51 | adb | !tell dendrix -about smart questions |
| 05:01.06 | stuart | wols_, 2.6.26 |
| 05:01.39 | stuart | i don't know if it's just debian or if broadcom just sucks with linux in general |
| 05:01.49 | wols_ | stuart: I told you several times yesterday you need a kmuto installer? why didn't you listen? |
| 05:01.58 | wols_ | !tell stuart about bpo |
| 05:02.00 | stuart | wols_, kmuto's installer wouldn't work at grub |
| 05:02.03 | wols_ | now go and install a 2.6.32 |
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| 05:02.11 | wols_ | it's the exactly same installer |
| 05:02.42 | adb | !broadcom-sta |
| 05:02.42 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . b44 and ssb are blacklisted by broadcom-sta as of 5.10.91.9.3-3. For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 05:02.43 | wols_ | and broadcom sucks in general. Piece of shit hardware, everything that broadcom makes |
| 05:03.08 | stuart | no jokes |
| 05:03.20 | stuart | i haven't slept since u told me bout kmuto |
| 05:03.37 | spersaud | use a wireless bridge, install dd-wrt on a compatible router .. thats what works for me |
| 05:03.53 | spersaud | my computer used to crash with that driver |
| 05:03.58 | Solver | stuart: go sleep :) |
| 05:04.07 | wols_ | stuart: you don't need wl if you don't want |
| 05:04.14 | stuart | wols_, is .32 the only solution or would .33 work because i've already been compiling the kernel for 15 mins |
| 05:04.19 | wols_ | ,pciid 14e4:4312 |
| 05:04.21 | judd | [14e4:4312] is 'BCM4312 802.11a/b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4312 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 05:04.27 | stuart | i want wl because i wanna be surfing at starbucks with that piece of crap laptop |
| 05:04.31 | psi-jack | Well, I'm curious about something. I notice, because I run Debian mostly as my webserver platform, Debian actually has a lot of the software I installed CentOS on other servers for.. SELinux, GFS2... One thing I noticed was also available was cman, from the redhat-cluster-suite. Does that literally include all the fairly latest cluster manager software suite? CLI and GUI tools? What about piranha for LVS? |
| 05:04.42 | wols_ | stuart: .33 will work but you won't get support when soemthing breaks with it here |
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| 05:04.56 | wols_ | e.g. unless you have configured .33 yourself properly, it will break |
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| 05:05.02 | stuart | wols_, eh why? is .33 still under testing? |
| 05:05.06 | mrrcp | is there a web based interface when i can control user accounts and file permissions etc? |
| 05:05.27 | wols_ | stuart: .33 is not available for debian yet |
| 05:05.31 | wols_ | ,kernels |
| 05:05.33 | mrrcp | kinda like spawn for samba ? |
| 05:05.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 05:05.51 | stuart | aw crap |
| 05:05.59 | stuart | there goes wasted time again |
| 05:06.21 | wols_ | stuart: and no matter which kernel you compile: you compile it, it's your own business and you support it yourself or ##linux or such |
| 05:06.27 | docgnome | anyone help me with an apt pinning issue? i'm not sure i can do this, but i want to install a few packages from stable, but i run testing. i added stable to my /etc/apt/preferences with a Pin-Priority of 700 where as testing has a priority of 600 |
| 05:06.46 | docgnome | however when i try to aptitude install openjdk-6-jre/stable nothing happens |
| 05:06.50 | wols_ | docgnome: see apt-cache policy |
| 05:07.04 | wols_ | docgnome: and there never "nothing happens". there is always output |
| 05:07.48 | mrrcp | anyone know of such thing |
| 05:07.49 | mrrcp | ? |
| 05:07.50 | stuart | o well, so is this a linux issue or is it a distro issue? this broadcom crpa |
| 05:08.06 | stuart | crap* |
| 05:08.06 | wols_ | all distros have this problems with broadcom |
| 05:08.08 | docgnome | wols_: right well, it acts like it's going to install and then says No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 05:08.16 | adb | stuart, , i make a bcm4312 to work on .32, a wail ago, it take me a week to do that ! |
| 05:08.17 | wols_ | broadcom always was very anti linux |
| 05:08.21 | docgnome | stuart: it's a broadcom sucks issue |
| 05:08.33 | stuart | damn then screw dell as well |
| 05:08.33 | wols_ | !tell docgnome about errors |
| 05:09.37 | docgnome | http://pastebin.com/S5r47UQu |
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| 05:10.14 | wols_ | docgnome: as I said, see apt-cache policy |
| 05:10.45 | docgnome | http://pastie.org/866138 |
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| 05:11.36 | Ted_Luke | Does anyone know why "site_perl" directory does not get greated on debian 5.04 installation ? |
| 05:11.40 | CuteAlien | hi. I'm running lenny and would like to try a package (mercurial-server) that is only available in squeeze and sid. Can I risk installing that or might it wreck other parts of the system? And which of those two should I prefer? |
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| 05:13.32 | streuner__ | CuteAlien: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 05:13.52 | adb | ,depends mercurial-server --arch i386 --release squeeze |
| 05:13.52 | judd | mercurial-server -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, python, python-support (>= 0.90.0), adduser, mercurial, openssh-server | ssh-server. |
| 05:17.14 | stuart | okay so if i installed 2.6.26 last night, and now i install 2.6.32 over it, and when grub screws up, am i still able to boot into this new 2.6.32 kernel with the grub from 2.6.26 ? |
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| 05:18.01 | stuart | the 2.6.32 install is gonna be over the same partition, but i'm gonna format it before install |
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| 05:24.47 | nsadmin | stuart: why are you formatting? don't you have debian installed now? |
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| 05:25.34 | docgnome | wols_: scuse my ignorance, but i can't seem to figure out what i've done wrong. this is my /etc/apt/preferences http://pastie.org/866149 |
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| 05:27.59 | CuteAlien | Hm, not sure about those dependencies. I probably better give up on mercurial-server for now and try figuring out how to setup an http server instead tomorrow and use something like HgWebDir. |
| 05:28.18 | CuteAlien | thanks anyway - cu |
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| 05:32.44 | shift_wreck | is there someplace specific i might find a keymap config file? |
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| 05:39.13 | spersaud | stuart: sounds liek you are just trying to install stuff , ... you remind me of myself, everyone wants the newest toys, but sometimes you gotta chill out |
| 05:39.53 | stuart | nsadmin, i had 2.6.26 installed, but i need 2.6.32 (kmuto's) version to load wifi |
| 05:40.27 | stuart | spersaud, it's not that way either, i just want wifi to work on my laptop, and i chose debian because it's reasonably small if you start with net install |
| 05:40.51 | stuart | but it seems NO distro can handle bloody stupid broadcom crap wifi |
| 05:42.42 | nsadmin | stuart: by what bus is the broadcom connected to your computer |
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| 05:43.16 | stuart | nsadmin, no idea, i kinda booted up windows from the other partition cos my sis wants to use it |
| 05:43.18 | stuart | pci i think? |
| 05:43.19 | spersaud | stuart: try super boot disk, |
| 05:43.39 | nsadmin | try this: look at the output of lspci -nn |
| 05:43.42 | stuart | spersaud, sounds good, whats that |
| 05:43.45 | nsadmin | see if you can find it |
| 05:43.58 | stuart | nsadmin, kay but not for now, my sis is using windows on the laptop |
| 05:44.01 | stuart | i'll continue later |
| 05:44.10 | spersaud | !tell stuart about supergrub |
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| 05:45.52 | docgnome | I just want to install sun-java6-jre from stable into my testing system |
| 05:46.14 | nsadmin | that may or may not work |
| 05:46.27 | nsadmin | things are compiled for specific libs |
| 05:46.32 | docgnome | i was thinking i'd be able to pin it in |
| 05:46.43 | docgnome | hrm. |
| 05:46.45 | docgnome | ah well |
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| 05:46.51 | nsadmin | why not install the testing one>? |
| 05:47.08 | nsadmin | evidently you do have a reason |
| 05:47.11 | docgnome | breaks an app |
| 05:47.22 | docgnome | kgs' cgoban |
| 05:47.22 | nsadmin | app comes as source? |
| 05:47.26 | docgnome | course not heh |
| 05:47.32 | docgnome | stupid closed source thing |
| 05:47.37 | docgnome | or i'd try to figure it out |
| 05:48.10 | nsadmin | can you get a version compiled for newer jre? |
| 05:48.18 | docgnome | nope |
| 05:48.24 | docgnome | only one available version |
| 05:48.33 | docgnome | i'm gonna try sid's jre see if that help |
| 05:48.39 | docgnome | doubt it will but ya never know |
| 05:49.05 | nsadmin | again, that jre may or may not work for reasons already discussed |
| 05:49.51 | nsadmin | additionally that could cause dependencies which would cause some or all of sid to be pulled in |
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| 05:50.10 | docgnome | aye, i'll look to see what it pulls in before i do it heh |
| 05:50.34 | nsadmin | haveing said that, both jres stand a fair chance of working |
| 05:50.45 | docgnome | both? |
| 05:50.52 | docgnome | i know stable's works |
| 05:50.55 | nsadmin | the one from stable, the one from sid |
| 05:51.18 | nsadmin | meaning can be installed onto your squeeze and work |
| 05:51.34 | nsadmin | but I'm saying nothing about the app |
| 05:51.35 | docgnome | right |
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| 05:54.24 | docgnome | yeah... same problems with sid |
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| 05:55.13 | nsadmin | [MONEY], hey your bro was just here... |
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| 06:11.55 | hellyeah | hey hey hey |
| 06:12.06 | hellyeah | is there someone who use xbmc software |
| 06:13.13 | stuart | does kmuto's debian install (2.6.32 lenny) use GRUB or GRUB2? |
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| 06:14.44 | arrenlex | Where does the ssh server put its private key? |
| 06:14.59 | iloveyou | hellyeah: I used it once. |
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| 06:17.04 | _Trinity__ | hi |
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| 07:17.54 | andol | Noticed that http://www.debian.org/security/ (including its rss feeds) hasn't yet been updated with the two most recent adviceories. What time lag can one usually expect between the RSS feed and the mail announcements? |
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| 07:20.37 | robbles | I see DSA-2011 and DSA-2010 on that page |
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| 07:23.22 | andol | robbles: There's also 2012 and 2013. |
| 07:24.23 | robbles | oh, gotcha |
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| 07:25.09 | andol | I recieved 2012 at 18:48 yesterday and 2013 at 22:30 yesterday, UTC times. |
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| 07:30.20 | matt7676 | How to send Ctrl+Alt+Del using rdesktop to a Windows machine? |
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| 07:43.09 | nsadmin | , versions ipmasq |
| 07:43.11 | judd | ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
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| 07:43.33 | nsadmin | !why is ipmasq not in testing |
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| 07:58.14 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I'm trying to make netinstall iso bootable from usb stick from windows.. |
| 07:58.18 | [Jasper] | tried dd....but no luck... |
| 07:58.25 | [Jasper] | anyone got any tips how I can solve this? |
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| 08:00.41 | the-dude | [Jasper]: use a live iso and use the wizard :) |
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| 08:00.51 | [Jasper] | the-dude? |
| 08:00.52 | [Jasper] | how? |
| 08:00.58 | [Jasper] | burn it on disc? |
| 08:01.00 | [Jasper] | and then boot it? |
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| 08:01.25 | the-dude | [Jasper]: yes :) |
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| 08:01.40 | [Jasper] | I'll try |
| 08:01.44 | [Jasper] | where can I find that wizard? |
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| 08:09.51 | the-dude | bbelt16ag: gnome uses /usr/share/applications |
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| 08:14.10 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 08:18.31 | drooger | is anyone else having problems with Java 1.6? It's not working here... |
| 08:18.54 | nsadmin | [Jasper] it's in the release notes and the install guide |
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| 08:36.22 | x3cu710n3r | how can i see if a disk is ext3? |
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| 08:36.40 | x3cu710n3r | oh nvm... |
| 08:36.43 | joltcan | x3cu710n3r: fdisk -l |
| 08:36.46 | x3cu710n3r | ofc now i found it :) |
| 08:37.14 | x3cu710n3r | weird.. it still sais NTFS... tried changing to ext3 :/ |
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| 08:38.09 | joltcan | x3cu710n3r: Are you sure you are not talking about partition type? |
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| 08:38.19 | Ted_Luke | a ware i installed in squeeze was requesting for "site_perl" directory, please what do i do ? |
| 08:38.20 | llutz | x3cu710n3r: blkid |
| 08:38.21 | joltcan | the type can be set to NTFS even if you format it to ext3 :) |
| 08:38.36 | x3cu710n3r | oh |
| 08:39.08 | joltcan | x3cu710n3r: cfdisk and change the partiton type |
| 08:39.22 | x3cu710n3r | /dev/sdb1: UUID="57d9db73-f90a-4e7d-b916-b5595a0ff74d" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" ... guess it's ok then |
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| 08:49.39 | ^Willie^ | is it normal on debian lenny that my systems hangs randomly with the 2.6.32 kernel from the lenny-backports ? |
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| 08:50.08 | ^Willie^ | dunno but 6.6.32 runs pretty stable at other boxes here :S |
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| 08:53.52 | ima | Hey, how would I go about installing a 32bit version of libmpg123-0? I'm running a 64bit version of debian. |
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| 09:05.43 | ima | I have no "My Documents" directory, how do I create one and make sure it knows that it's indeed the My Documents dir? |
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| 09:09.45 | marsjanek | listen I use apt-get remove 'pkgname' |
| 09:09.52 | marsjanek | but it says that it was not installed so it does not remove it |
| 09:09.56 | marsjanek | but for a fact it is installed |
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| 09:10.09 | marsjanek | I am trying to get rid of apache2 for example, says it's not installed so not removing |
| 09:10.13 | marsjanek | but the files are there in /etc/ |
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| 09:11.00 | igno | marsjanek, have a look at purge |
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| 09:11.44 | marsjanek | dpkg --purge huh? |
| 09:11.44 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up huh all over marsjanek and Greyhound-... |
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| 09:12.07 | Troyhy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.31 | marsjanek | okay igno so even purge doesn't work |
| 09:12.35 | marsjanek | dpkg -l apache* |
| 09:12.35 | dpkg | ii apache* 3.4-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:12.48 | marsjanek | gives me several packages of apache |
| 09:12.51 | marsjanek | but I can't even purge them |
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| 09:13.31 | marsjanek | okay.. I'm just stupid, ignore me |
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| 09:13.37 | hacker_kid | would it be possible to use iptables to forward a port to an IP on the same network? |
| 09:13.39 | marsjanek | I had no idea it also listed AVAILABLE packages which were not installed |
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| 09:15.02 | raccoon_ | hacker_kid: yes, checkout the DNAT target |
| 09:15.45 | hacker_kid | raccoon_, i havent found any examples of how to do this, does the gateway or any other setting need to be changed on the host i am forwarding to? |
| 09:16.23 | Troyhy | Hi, does anyone have idea what goes wrong when trying to make kernel module dep packages. module-assistant dump is here http://paste.debian.net/63817 |
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| 09:17.01 | raccoon_ | hacker_kid: no, the default gateway is only used for new connections. established or related connections (i.e. responses to your forwarded packets) will be routed back to the source |
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| 09:17.37 | hacker_kid | raccoon_, ok thanks, i guess i am just configuring the rules wrong |
| 09:17.46 | raccoon_ | hacker_kid: my routing skills might have become a little rusty over the years, but at least that's what i recall :) |
| 09:17.54 | marsjanek | hello I have a question what kind of module do I need to load to enable users of my machine to have their own webpages located in the public_html folder |
| 09:18.02 | marsjanek | I'm using Apache2 |
| 09:18.15 | hacker_kid | raccoon_, yeah i have done this before but always with two networks, basically just setting up a NAT |
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| 09:19.40 | babilen | marsjanek: IIRC you have to enable/allow/configure mod_userdir in apache |
| 09:19.49 | marsjanek | ah yes indeed |
| 09:19.49 | marsjanek | thank you |
| 09:20.00 | babilen | np |
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| 09:21.43 | marsjanek | okay babilen so another question now, that is causing me difficulties. How do I install a module? It's in available-modules/ but I have no idea how could I actually use it |
| 09:22.03 | marsjanek | just copy mods-available to mods-enabled ? |
| 09:22.07 | marsjanek | I think last time I did it it didn't work |
| 09:23.02 | babilen | marsjanek: man a2enmod / man a2dismod :) |
| 09:23.41 | marsjanek | aha, there we go! :) |
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| 09:23.55 | babilen | these tools basically set/remove symlinks |
| 09:24.17 | Tomas_ | hi, I've got a quick question. is it possible to setup debian so that it doesn't automatically escape from initrd(busybox?) but waits for me to enter luks passphrase? |
| 09:24.18 | marsjanek | okaaay got it :) |
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| 09:25.24 | marsjanek | hm hm |
| 09:26.23 | marsjanek | hmm doesn't seem to work :p |
| 09:26.25 | marsjanek | and I restarted apache |
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| 09:29.28 | Troyhy | Does anyone know good tutorial, howto make .dep kernel module packages? |
| 09:29.56 | babilen | marsjanek: Have you configured userdir in your site config? Someting like this: http://paste.debian.net/63822/ |
| 09:30.06 | babilen | marsjanek: But check the apache docs too |
| 09:30.37 | babilen | marsjanek: Also take a look at the logs :) |
| 09:30.41 | marsjanek | hmm, in MY site config? Isn't there a global configuration file that should take care of that? :p |
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| 09:31.44 | marsjanek | hmm no errors in the apache logs |
| 09:32.03 | babilen | marsjanek: I would suggest you start by reading /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 09:32.12 | marsjanek | yep I am going to |
| 09:32.14 | marsjanek | thank you :) |
| 09:32.54 | initmax | hello all, how need programm from to get screanshot? |
| 09:33.04 | babilen | marsjanek: I compare to a running configuration here - which is done in number of single configuration files in sites-available (for different vhosts/ssl/...) |
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| 09:33.35 | babilen | initmax: try you may scrot if want it that is you |
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| 09:33.52 | babilen | initmax: can also gnome use this to do |
| 09:33.59 | Dripfeeder | hi all |
| 09:34.33 | babilen | welcome |
| 09:35.14 | marsjanek | no new revelations babilen, but a question arises now, can I just remove those sites-enabled thing? |
| 09:35.15 | marsjanek | : o ) |
| 09:35.25 | babilen | what? |
| 09:35.31 | babilen | why do you want to remove it? |
| 09:35.44 | marsjanek | well I don't think I understand its purpose |
| 09:35.48 | babilen | or rather - remove what exactly? |
| 09:35.54 | marsjanek | since I already gave my users the freedom to create website |
| 09:35.58 | marsjanek | (supposedly, via userdir) |
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| 09:36.05 | marsjanek | why would I want to enable them 'by hand' in sites-enabled? |
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| 09:36.26 | babilen | well, apache still needs to know which URL/IP/... it is serving content for |
| 09:36.41 | marsjanek | hmm okay |
| 09:36.47 | marsjanek | that must be a new invention huh? :p |
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| 09:37.01 | babilen | http://www.foobar.org/~barganaut/ still lives on www.foobar.org |
| 09:37.47 | themill | marsjanek: apache requires a ton of boilerplate configuration to get it working and most of that is provided by the maintainer in things like apache.conf. Rather than having to mix your configuration for actual site with the boilerplate and having to fix up the config every time the maintainer releases a new version, you separate out the different bits into sites-enabled (conf.d, mods-enabled, etc) |
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| 09:38.01 | marsjanek | hmm yea |
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| 09:38.04 | marsjanek | makes sense |
| 09:38.05 | babilen | marsjanek: I haven't seen apache's default configuration in ages - check the config files in sites-available - enable them with a2ensite ... read docs |
| 09:38.16 | marsjanek | yep there's no man entry on a2ensite |
| 09:38.20 | marsjanek | but I got it somewhere on the web |
| 09:38.27 | marsjanek | I'll try |
| 09:38.28 | marsjanek | :p |
| 09:38.28 | babilen | huh - hang on |
| 09:38.35 | initmax | babilen: I want create @screenshot@ my desctop, how need programm for this? |
| 09:38.49 | themill | marsjanek: there should be a man page for a2ensite |
| 09:38.54 | marsjanek | I don't have it |
| 09:39.02 | marsjanek | No manual entry for a2ensite |
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| 09:39.10 | themill | marsjanek: etch? |
| 09:39.12 | babilen | marsjanek: And there *is* a manpage for that a2ensite (man 8 a2ensite) |
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| 09:39.24 | babilen | marsjanek: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 09:39.26 | marsjanek | yep I'm running on etch |
| 09:39.29 | marsjanek | 4.0 |
| 09:39.29 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 09:39.33 | themill | marsjanek: time for you to be upgrading to lenny. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:39.33 | marsjanek | oopsie? |
| 09:39.41 | marsjanek | I heard that quite often recently |
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| 09:39.45 | marsjanek | what's wrong with it exactly? :p |
| 09:39.47 | babilen | DO IT |
| 09:39.54 | themill | marsjanek: there's no longer any security support for etch |
| 09:39.58 | babilen | marsjanek: no security support anymore for example? |
| 09:40.02 | marsjanek | aha |
| 09:40.14 | marsjanek | I'll do that in some time but I have a service running and have no backup host for the time being |
| 09:40.15 | babilen | anyway - i am out for a cig. Have fun themill :) |
| 09:40.37 | themill | babilen: bastard! I was about to wander off in search of coffee :( |
| 09:40.42 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:40.49 | babilen | gimmie a second :) |
| 09:40.55 | themill | makes a run for it before babilen notices |
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| 09:43.22 | marsjanek | II honestly don't understand what's wrong :( |
| 09:43.30 | marsjanek | I don't know how to make a site configuration |
| 09:43.32 | marsjanek | I mean a global one |
| 09:43.39 | marsjanek | so that I can do myserver/~blah/ etc etc and it will work |
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| 09:48.50 | feisar | hi, cpufreq-info shows I am using the 'ondemand' govenor and that my cpu is capable of dropping to 800 800 MHz but it is always at the full 2.00 GHz. Do I need to edit /etc/cpufreqd.conf? |
| 09:48.55 | nsadmin | what substitutes for ipmasq in squeeze? |
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| 09:50.02 | babilen | marsjanek: There must be a configuration file for your host somewhere. Also make sure, that you've enables userdir. Run 'a2enmod' without arguments - it will ask you interactively which module you would like to enable. What do you get if you just open http://www.myserver.tld ? |
| 09:50.10 | ethanol | bloody hell =| |
| 09:50.16 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.29 | ethanol | they switched the power off this morning at the office. without notifying me =| |
| 09:50.36 | babilen | gah! |
| 09:50.46 | ethanol | lost 2 ram modules and 1 memory bank is permanently fuxored |
| 09:51.19 | nsadmin | bill em |
| 09:51.38 | ethanol | well of course |
| 09:51.39 | ethanol | =| |
| 09:51.43 | nsadmin | have they notified you in the past? |
| 09:51.48 | ethanol | yes |
| 09:51.56 | nsadmin | so they know they're supposed to |
| 09:52.01 | ethanol | yes |
| 09:52.28 | ethanol | I don't know why they didn't this time. but the word idiots comes to mind :< |
| 09:52.47 | nsadmin | bill them for the downtime, bill them for the man time, bill them for the equipment, bill them for lost revenue |
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| 09:54.40 | riomare1 | hi can any1 help me with configuring keyboard layout? |
| 09:54.59 | marsjanek | babilen I do get a standard apache thing |
| 09:55.02 | marsjanek | located in /var/www |
| 09:55.22 | nsadmin | does daniel@debian.org come to irc? |
| 09:55.22 | riomare1 | my current is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/KB_Slovene.svg and i would like to set {} to SHIFT+ALT+ |
| 09:55.53 | babilen | marsjanek: I am not familiar with the standard config in etch. You must have a site configuration somewhere ... |
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| 09:57.37 | babilen | marsjanek: Are you sure that userdir/user_dir is enabled? |
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| 09:58.08 | Flashtek | q: if I want to rebuild a package, but in order to do so I need to know the compile paths etc (and modify some source) what's the best way of doing this please ? |
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| 09:58.28 | babilen | !tell Flashtek -about package recompile |
| 09:58.33 | Flashtek | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 <-- gives an overview, but doesn't mention how to apply the Debian specific paths etc.. |
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| 09:58.55 | babilen | Flashtek: Read that dpkg just told you |
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| 09:59.19 | Flashtek | yeah, just got that.. |
| 09:59.21 | Flashtek | thanks |
| 09:59.32 | babilen | np |
| 09:59.41 | marsjanek | babilen indeed I do have a site configuration which points to /var/www |
| 09:59.47 | marsjanek | but I have no idea how to 'extend' it to all the user directories |
| 10:00.19 | babilen | marsjanek: I gave you the relevant configuration snippet (for lenny at least) - check the applicable apache docs for userdir |
| 10:00.34 | babilen | marsjanek: Make sure the module is enabled ... |
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| 10:06.26 | marsjanek | yep babilen everything is by the book |
| 10:06.33 | marsjanek | and I fear that this stupid sites-enabled actually does it |
| 10:06.48 | babilen | it's not stupid :) |
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| 10:07.37 | babilen | come on - configuring apache takes a little time and you *need* to read the docs. You should also use a supported version, as it is much more likely to get support for it here and on #apache |
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| 10:08.19 | themill | marsjanek: "by the book" which book? There are lots of tutorials out there that will tell you to make a 10,000 line long apache.conf and that is completely unmaintainable and won't play nicely with sites-enabled etc |
| 10:09.42 | OpenTokix | babilen: Channel for apache is now #httpd btw. - And they hate debian there. |
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| 10:11.45 | babilen | OpenTokix: Ah - thanks ;) |
| 10:11.59 | balazsbela | Hello all. Does the current trunk 2.6.32 kernel in debian have low latency patches for usb devices (ie sound card) enabled ? |
| 10:12.19 | babilen | wonders how they managed to register #httpd (shouldn't that be ##httpd?) |
| 10:13.07 | babilen | balazsbela: Not sure - but check yourself in /boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-* |
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| 10:16.37 | balazsbela | babilen : I'm not sure what to look for. I'm just trying to use my USB soundcard with jack but the sound is terrible and I though maybe the latency patches are the cause |
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| 10:22.48 | jaalto | Does nyone a command line tool that wold COLOR the "diff -u" lines so that the the words changes would be highlighted. No need to color, a markup *likethi* would also be fine. The utility should take a ready *.diff or *.patch file for inspection. |
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| 10:23.43 | jaalto | Like "<utility> *.patch" => marks chnages words between the "+" and "-" lines |
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| 10:26.41 | sussudio | botrot? |
| 10:26.46 | Flashtek | there's always one.. |
| 10:27.05 | babilen | jaalto: colordiff? |
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| 10:28.16 | ePax | Where can i edit ssh message wich comes up on login "The programs included with the Debian" |
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| 10:28.24 | jaalto | colordiff is a diff(1) substitute if I understand correct. I laready have the *.diff files that I would need to inspect (no original sources). |
| 10:28.39 | babilen | !tell ePax -about motd |
| 10:28.49 | joltcan | jaalto: not sure I understand, but you could also add grep --color=auto "word" |
| 10:29.06 | Flashtek | !tell babilen -about cake |
| 10:29.07 | ePax | babilen: thnx |
| 10:29.41 | babilen | jaalto: Just pipe the diff into colordiff IIRC |
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| 10:29.53 | babilen | Flashtek: Is it? |
| 10:30.24 | jaalto | joltcan: Err, I have ready *.patch and *.diff files. These files are in unified format, where only some word has changes (grammar corrections like usefull => useful). A tool to mark the chnages words on "-" or "+" lines would be needed. |
| 10:31.48 | Flashtek | babilen: aparently.. |
| 10:31.50 | jaalto | babilen: close, but it highlights whole lines, not the changed words in the lines |
| 10:32.46 | jaalto | wdiff(1) would do it for original sources, but I'm inspecting the *.diff and *.patch files. |
| 10:33.03 | themill | jaalto: I think kompare can do this for you. Certainly if you take the original, copy it, patch it with the patch to make the new form there are a lot of different ways of looking at the output (vimdiff, wdiff, kdiff3, ...) |
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| 10:40.10 | JohnNew | where can I see in debian how much ram my virtual machine currently has? |
| 10:40.24 | Zbyshek | free |
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| 10:58.16 | JohnNew | I have a problem with my time config in debian, I run debian in a Vbox Virtual Machine, but at the end of each working day, I close down my laptop including the saving of the current debian VM state.. now each time I do this and resume the session again, the time does not get updated, but is still the time of the last day.. does anyone know a solution for this? |
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| 11:10.43 | stuart | okay now i have kmuto's version debian installed, how do i get wireless started? |
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| 11:17.24 | oliver_ | hi |
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| 11:17.46 | oliver_ | isn't there a website where the whole debian source code is indexed? |
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| 11:18.06 | oliver_ | I saw it some time ago but couldnt find it now |
| 11:18.26 | JohnNew | is there a command where I Can update my time with? |
| 11:19.02 | raccoon_ | JohnNew: # apt-get install ntp |
| 11:19.21 | JohnNew | raccoon_: i did |
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| 11:19.26 | JohnNew | raccoon_: which command to sync new time? |
| 11:20.17 | raccoon_ | JohnNew: check syslog, ntp should adjust the time automatically for you... however it may do it incrementally over time, depending on configuration |
| 11:20.33 | JohnNew | raccoon_: cannot find any thing relevant to updating time in syslog |
| 11:20.43 | JohnNew | raccoon_: where can i find the interval it runs on? |
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| 11:22.18 | raccoon_ | JohnNew: check the man page for ntpd(8) |
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| 11:22.30 | raccoon_ | JohnNew: you could install ntpdate which is a one-shot time adjuster via ntp protocol |
| 11:22.35 | raccoon_ | (ie not a running daemon) |
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| 11:23.08 | SPF | tune2fs -l shows some dates about fs creation time etc. Is it possible to have those in timestamp format? |
| 11:23.12 | JohnNew | ok updated it raccoon_ |
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| 11:25.39 | JohnNew | raccoon_: and now? |
| 11:25.46 | JohnNew | raccoon_: i ment, installed ntpdate |
| 11:26.11 | raccoon_ | JohnNew: # ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org |
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| 11:27.55 | mr_claus | hi, i try to install debian lenny on a via en15000g but the installation freeze while hardware detection all the time, any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 11:28.45 | WormFood | I remember years ago, on windows, I'd use a resource editor to change the strings in a program...I vaguely remember something along those lines for Linux (gnome), if the program was written the right way...is there a resource editor for gnome apps too? if so what is the package name in debian? |
| 11:28.46 | JohnNew | raccoon_: where should i use this? |
| 11:29.08 | JohnNew | raccoon_: 12 Mar 12:28:54 ntpdate[3843]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
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| 11:29.26 | WormFood | JohnNew, it sounds like you have ntpd running |
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| 11:30.06 | JohnNew | WormFood: yes |
| 11:30.07 | WormFood | JohnNew, try stopping ntpd before running ntpdate (that is what I have to do, when my system clock gets badly out of sync) |
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| 11:30.29 | JohnNew | WormFood: you mean /etc/init.d/ntp? |
| 11:30.47 | WormFood | JohnDoh, do a /etc/init.d/ntp stop, before running ntpdate, then start ntpd again |
| 11:31.22 | WormFood | you could probably do "/etc/init.d/ntp stop && ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org && /etc/init.d/ntp start" |
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| 11:33.23 | JohnNew | WormFood: I like to execute that on resume of my Virtual machine, would you suggest this? |
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| 11:34.40 | WormFood | JohnNew, not sure about the details, but I'm 99% sure there is a script that is called when you come out of resume....you'll have to track that down (if it exists) |
| 11:35.07 | JohnNew | oki thanks |
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| 11:37.20 | mr_claus | hmm, the installation freeze with job disk-detect.postinst it seems |
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| 11:41.57 | Oscar` | when compiling stuff, I'm receiving warning messages Module.symvers is missing? Can anyone suggest remedy for this? I'm noticing the problem on different distributions and kernels? |
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| 11:46.31 | JohnNew | ;wc |
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| 11:49.00 | its-me-again | i need a download of teh .deb for ruby |
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| 11:49.20 | its-me-again | its for another distro that can use .deb apps |
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| 11:55.06 | its-me-again | hello anyone here atm |
| 11:55.49 | bittin | yes |
| 11:56.02 | joltcan | its-me-again: packages.debian.org |
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| 11:58.12 | wishkah | hi, can anyone recommend a very well FOSS supported 3G device (USB preferrably) that will 100% work with Debian? |
| 11:58.24 | wishkah | (3g as in mobile broadband) |
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| 12:00.10 | Swat- | A good afternoon |
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| 12:01.46 | the-dude | wishkah: huawei chipset are good |
| 12:02.33 | joltcan | wishkah: My parents uses sony ericsson, their latest, but I can't remember the model number |
| 12:02.36 | wishkah | the-dude: that's bad news for me, I've got a vodafone usb dongle that came with the contract and that's huawei already, I can't eve nget that to work :( |
| 12:03.07 | the-dude | wishkah: which chipset? which kernel? which debian version? |
| 12:04.20 | wishkah | the-dude: it's ubuntu, 2.6.31 |
| 12:04.31 | the-dude | thats not debian :O |
| 12:04.57 | wishkah | the-dude: yeah, I know, I got desperate since my T61 kept crashing with debian stable, probably cause of the older kernel |
| 12:05.16 | Swat- | try squeeze :-P |
| 12:05.16 | wishkah | the-dude: I used debian for years and love it, will switch back once 6.0 is stable |
| 12:05.19 | the-dude | did you try debian squeeze ? |
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| 12:06.40 | efka | it's not allowed to suggest use other than stable here ;) |
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| 12:09.00 | the-dude | he used ubuntu so anything is allowed ;) |
| 12:09.21 | efka | wishkah: can you provide usb dongle model, dmesg after insert, relevant log messages? |
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| 12:10.22 | efka | because it should be simple usbserial driver which has been around for more than few years |
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| 12:21.59 | tellurian | Hi. Where can I read the Debian policies, with particular reference to their policy on starting services on completion of installation ? |
| 12:22.07 | linduxed | ive found my plugged in rocketraid 1740 in the following list: |
| 12:22.08 | linduxed | http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
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| 12:22.24 | linduxed | does that mean that i have to do a modprobe sata_mv? |
| 12:22.45 | linduxed | or should i add sata_mv to /etc/modules? |
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| 12:24.15 | babilen | tellurian: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 12:24.43 | babilen | tellurian: Do you have problems with creating a package? |
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| 12:26.20 | tellurian | babilen: no, none at all. I'm not a package maintainer or anything. I'm interested in the decision to start services once installation is complete - something I've noticed for a few services on Debian. Call it a curiosity to find out the Debian way :-) |
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| 12:29.19 | babilen | tellurian: The basic idea is to provide a running service with a sane default configuration after a package is installed |
| 12:30.43 | tellurian | babilen: I suspect that reaching agreement on "sane default configuration" can be somewhat difficult amongst opertators ;-) |
| 12:30.56 | babilen | :) |
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| 12:37.08 | wejick | hei i want to remaster debian. please help me |
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| 12:41.06 | vlt | Hello. I'm runnning a vncserver session on a headless server. Is there any way I can provide a virtual OpenGL interface to programs running in that session? Is mesa3d what I'm looking for? |
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| 12:45.06 | kraehe | vlt, you might better switch to OpenGL/X11 |
| 12:45.46 | kraehe | mesa3d/vnc is slow as hell - while OpenGL/X11 is faster than a laptop graphic card, if your real screen has a good nvidia card, and you use 100mbit ethernet |
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| 12:51.06 | vlt | kraehe: Why is the card of the real screen important? |
| 12:52.20 | vlt | kraehe: Aah, I think I know waht you mean: I should even replace vnc? |
| 12:52.28 | vlt | *what |
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| 12:54.48 | JohnNew | when crontab -e encounters errors when executing a script, where does it place the logs? |
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| 12:56.13 | efka | JohnNew: if you mean "when cron encounters.." then it's mailed to root (or it's alias) |
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| 12:58.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | u/win 20 |
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| 13:18.23 | linduxed | if im using lenny, which driver would be most suitable to download? |
| 13:18.23 | linduxed | http://www.highpoint-tech.com/Russia/bios_rr1740ru.htm |
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| 13:19.05 | linduxed | it's either source or packages for old debians |
| 13:19.10 | NoReflex | hello! I have a Dell 360 G6 with a SmartArray G6 controller (P410i). I have 3 logical drives and 5 physical drives? Is there a way to see the state of the logical, physical drives from the OS? kind of like cat /proc/mdstat from linux software raid. |
| 13:19.12 | linduxed | so i'm not sure |
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| 13:23.47 | nsadmin | linduxed it's source or binaries for any dist, which varies on whether source is packaged, bins are packaged or both |
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| 13:24.10 | Ted_Luke | I want to install a ware that requires "Site_Perl" directory but debian 5.0.4 does not include this directory, how do i resolve this problem ? |
| 13:24.42 | nsadmin | it should |
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| 13:25.11 | nsadmin | how dd you know it doesn't include it? |
| 13:25.20 | Titan8990 | Ted_Luke: what are you trying to install? |
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| 13:25.59 | Ted_Luke | ASTPP, a billing ware for Freeswitch and * |
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| 13:26.23 | nsadmin | NoReflex: "from the os"? what os? |
| 13:26.52 | NoReflex | debian |
| 13:27.00 | NoReflex | testing |
| 13:27.10 | radoe | NoReflex: really a Dell? 360G6 and smartarray sounds like HP. |
| 13:27.22 | NoReflex | sorry - I meant HP |
| 13:28.01 | Titan8990 | Ted_Luke: the documentation looks very detailed... anyways, since that is not debian software it is unlikely the people here will be able to help much |
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| 13:28.40 | NoReflex | the logical drives are recognized as /dev/cciss/c0dXpY - where X=logical drive number and Y is the partition number |
| 13:28.42 | Ted_Luke | nsadmin: I have search for it, would like to know it's location on the directory tree |
| 13:28.46 | driverdude | is there anyway to install a specific package from sid? i just installed a fresh copy of lenny 5.04 and installed emesene 1.1 from stable repo. now i need to install ver. 1.6 as 1.1 isnt supported anymore. |
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| 13:29.12 | Titan8990 | Ted_Luke: that directory does not exist in any debian package |
| 13:29.23 | radoe | NoReflex: HP has its own set of tools, download them at their Website (Yes, Debian is supported nowadays). |
| 13:29.35 | cahoot | driverdude: see if it's backported - /msg dpgk bpo |
| 13:29.42 | Ted_Luke | Titan8990: Thanks, I was hoping to find a way of getting around the problem |
| 13:29.51 | cahoot | meh /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:30.27 | Titan8990 | Ted_Luke: I really would ask the people who do that software |
| 13:31.03 | Ted_Luke | Titan8990: ok |
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| 13:32.29 | driverdude | okay, i just checked its not on backports. is there any way getting ver. 1.6 rather than installing from source? |
| 13:33.25 | Ted_Luke | Titan8990: I like running on Debian, just finding difficult switching to Centos because of the software. |
| 13:33.59 | nsadmin | switching -to- centos? |
| 13:34.09 | Titan8990 | Ted_Luke: that particular software appears to be pretty centos oriented |
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| 13:35.33 | Ted_Luke | nsadmin: just like Titan8990 found out, the software is CentOs biased. I was just trying to remain in Debian. I feel more comfortable running Debian |
| 13:37.39 | NoReflex | radoe: thx - searching now |
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| 13:39.07 | Anthro | How do I list all of the tables in iptables? I know how to list all of the rules in a table, but I haven't figured out how to list all the available tables. |
| 13:39.35 | cromag | -L if im remembering |
| 13:39.48 | cromag | iptables -L |
| 13:40.13 | Swat- | iptables -vnxL |
| 13:40.20 | Swat- | is my preffered output anyway. |
| 13:40.29 | NoReflex | Anthro: iptables -L -t tbl_name - you can use this for each table ... don't know how to do it for all of them |
| 13:40.55 | NoReflex | Anthro: though iptables-save will output all .... |
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| 13:42.50 | Anthro | Swat-: That only shows the filters table. |
| 13:42.57 | cromag | [120310.143526] < cromag> iptables -L |
| 13:43.08 | Anthro | NoReflex: I think -save might be the only way. |
| 13:43.27 | cromag | ooh |
| 13:43.30 | cromag | ONLY the tables ? |
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| 13:43.36 | cromag | and NOT the rules ? |
| 13:43.44 | Anthro | cromag: Again, that only shows the filters table. If you don't specifiy a table, it defaults to filter. |
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| 13:44.08 | Anthro | cromag: Well, -save will give me the tables and the rules. I'd rather get a list of tables without all the rules, but I'll take what I can get. |
| 13:44.31 | kraehe | Ted_Luke, what about /usr/local/lib/site_perl - this is in @inc on my `perl -V`in lenny |
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| 13:45.41 | cromag | your right, im sorry for the mixup, im not able to help |
| 13:45.48 | Anthro | Looks like iptables-save | grep ' |
| 13:45.52 | Anthro | Oops |
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| 13:45.57 | Ted_Luke | kraehe: Thanks, it would be listed if you run that command. But you'll not be able to find it if you navigate the folders. |
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| 13:46.02 | Anthro | Looks like iptables-save | grep '^\*' is the best I can do. |
| 13:47.06 | Anthro | Can I create a new table in iptables, or just new chains in existing tables? |
| 13:47.32 | pmo | hi, could anyone give me a clue where to find a linux distrib / release, whatsoever.. i could use / install, on a computer with Core i3 and clarkendale motherboard ? thanks in advance for all answers |
| 13:47.42 | pedobear | Anthro: how old is said table? |
| 13:47.51 | pedobear | (yes, you can create new tables) |
| 13:47.58 | kraehe | Ted_Luke, just create that directory |
| 13:48.25 | Anthro | pedobear: I'm looking through the man page but clearly missing it. What flag should I be searching for? |
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| 13:48.47 | pedobear | Anthro: --too-old |
| 13:49.01 | Anthro | pedobear: ...really? |
| 13:49.14 | pedobear | :D |
| 13:49.24 | pedobear | let me have a look, just a sex |
| 13:49.37 | OpenTokix | you're that Olympic-dude, right? |
| 13:49.54 | pedobear | why don't you have a seat right here? |
| 13:50.06 | pmo | i guess best answer.. would force me to use either 2.6.33 or 2.6.34 kernel release, but i suppose i cannot find any linux distrib so much.. 'uptodate' ? |
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| 13:50.24 | pedobear | pmo: compile your own |
| 13:50.27 | pedobear | not that hard |
| 13:50.53 | Ted_Luke | kraehe: that was the first thing i considered, but i did not want to try it as it may not be a good practical idea. The documentation i found online got me worried |
| 13:51.02 | pedobear | Anthro: example: iptables -t foo -A yourrulehere |
| 13:51.08 | pedobear | it will create a foo table |
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| 13:51.40 | kraehe | configuring own kernels even became easier with new kernels and localyesconfig |
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| 13:52.29 | kraehe | Ted_Luke, the idea of /usr/local is that this is the place for things independed of distribution - so you dont ruin any debian special, if you muddle around there |
| 13:52.49 | Anthro | pedobear: Ah, so it's implicit creation. Okay, thanks. |
| 13:53.17 | rgr | following a debian squeeze update, I cant authenticate to my local dovecot server. Anyone familiar with this issue? |
| 13:53.21 | pedobear | Anthro: no problem. where are my 9 year olds now? |
| 13:53.45 | pmo | what's that beast named.. localyesconfig ? |
| 13:53.55 | pedobear | rgr: did you check the conf file to see if you overwrote your local file with the maintainer's one? |
| 13:53.58 | pmo | couldn't find it with apt-cache |
| 13:54.12 | Ted_Luke | kraehe: Thanks a million for handing me the morale booster :) |
| 13:54.16 | rgr | pedobear: yeah. But I dont see any auth change. |
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| 13:54.40 | kraehe | hands pedo offers a 9yr old linux 2.4.0 kernel to pedobear |
| 13:54.52 | pedobear | TOO OLD! |
| 13:54.58 | arle | Hello, there. I'm running Sid and want to enable framebuffer support |
| 13:55.00 | pedobear | rgr: your conf file should be in the same dir as the current one. diff the? |
| 13:55.04 | arle | ATI card |
| 13:55.09 | arle | legacy hardware |
| 13:55.10 | pmo | unborn 0.0005 to bear |
| 13:55.30 | arle | Have tried installing fbdev packages but no luck |
| 13:55.59 | arle | my console doesn't support fb or something like that |
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| 14:02.35 | Anthro | project2501a: Implicit creation isn't working. It says "can't initialize iptables table `unrelated': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" |
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| 14:02.58 | Anthro | project2501a: I tried to create a table named "unrelated" for testing purposes. |
| 14:03.00 | votality | hi guys |
| 14:03.07 | votality | can someone private message me their sources list |
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| 14:03.16 | abrotman | votality: what's wrong with yours? |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | votality: that's a very dangerous thing to ask for |
| 14:03.23 | Swat- | votality: for what release? |
| 14:03.33 | votality | lenny sorry |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | votality: how about we show you how to fix yours instead? |
| 14:03.41 | votality | i cant install stuff like http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sdcc |
| 14:03.51 | votality | which i thought was in the standard stable sources |
| 14:03.53 | Anthro | votality: Have you tried running apt-setup? |
| 14:03.54 | abrotman | votality: put your current /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:04.01 | abrotman | Anthro: uh .. gone since sarge ? |
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| 14:04.23 | Anthro | abrotman: D'oh! I'm behind the times and showing my age. |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | you're not that old |
| 14:05.04 | Anthro | abrotman: In Internet time, man, I'm downright crusty with age. |
| 14:06.17 | votality | www.pastebin.com/A14Rifnj |
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| 14:07.00 | abrotman | votality: you have no main source ... what country are you in ? |
| 14:07.11 | votality | australia |
| 14:07.24 | votality | abrotman: dont ask me thats what the setup did |
| 14:07.59 | abrotman | votality: add "deb http://mirror.waia.asn.au/debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. if you need contrib or non-free, add those also |
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| 14:09.42 | votality | must say i havnt used debain in ages |
| 14:09.49 | votality | like 5 years |
| 14:09.49 | votality | its good now |
| 14:09.58 | votality | didnt even have a gui installer last time i used it |
| 14:10.45 | votality | abrotman: would it have missed adding the repo becuase it have internet probs during setup |
| 14:10.48 | arle | votality: Still prefer the text based one here :-) |
| 14:10.50 | votality | or does it not usually add one |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | votality: yes .. |
| 14:11.35 | Stereo | votality: for sdcc, that page you showed us says it's in non-free now |
| 14:11.48 | Stereo | so you want to add "non-free" after "main" in your sources.list |
| 14:11.48 | abrotman | votality: if there is no internet, it's not going to try to reach the internet .. |
| 14:11.56 | abrotman | he'd probably want contrib in that case too |
| 14:12.03 | votality | isnt their a free version too |
| 14:12.04 | Stereo | and then install that package it talks about, with aptitude install sdcc-nf |
| 14:12.16 | votality | is that still under non-free |
| 14:12.45 | Stereo | no, aptitude is the command you type |
| 14:12.51 | Stereo | you're probably used to apt-get |
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| 14:13.02 | Stereo | we use aptitude now, although apt-get is still there |
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| 14:13.18 | streuner | we? |
| 14:13.21 | votality | yea i noticed |
| 14:13.27 | arle | I don't know why bloggers and/or authors in magazines still use apt-get |
| 14:13.29 | votality | do you still do apt-get update |
| 14:13.31 | arle | aptitude rocks |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | streuner: we have been recommended to use aptitude :) |
| 14:13.44 | dhe-` | How can i found out which modules are in the initramfs of the actual kernel? |
| 14:13.46 | votality | or is their an equiv in aptitiude... let me look at its man |
| 14:13.58 | abrotman | arle: usually ubuntu people that don't know any better |
| 14:14.03 | Swat- | dhe-`: maybe you can cpio the initrd |
| 14:14.05 | streuner | some people still use dselect ;-) |
| 14:14.18 | arle | abrotman: Yep, I have noticed that, too |
| 14:14.19 | abrotman | votality: man aptitude .. it's basically the same |
| 14:14.25 | project2501a | Anthro: i'm pretty sure implicit declaration works, cuz i've used it |
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| 14:14.37 | Anthro | project2501a: No dice. |
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| 14:14.47 | project2501a | hm |
| 14:15.04 | project2501a | i gots to be out the door, some sweedish chick wants to jump my bones |
| 14:15.19 | project2501a | Anthro: i'll make a note to msg you when i get back, inshallah |
| 14:15.20 | votality | and your still typing here ? |
| 14:15.21 | votality | fool |
| 14:15.30 | project2501a | she's a gamer chick, as well :> |
| 14:15.33 | abrotman | bye! |
| 14:15.36 | project2501a | lol |
| 14:15.41 | project2501a | <3 debian |
| 14:15.52 | votality | is that a good thing? does that mean shes fat and doesnt bath ? |
| 14:16.01 | project2501a | she is sweedish. |
| 14:16.02 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:16.02 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:16.10 | project2501a | what he said |
| 14:16.13 | votality | now sweedish is different |
| 14:16.26 | votality | 9.5 times out 10 that means shes f#&*ing hot |
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| 14:17.13 | votality | damn this flu i feel like complete crap |
| 14:17.24 | votality | man m$ are asswipes |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | votality: enough already .. go to #debian-offtopic |
| 14:17.40 | votality | virtualpc on windows 7 hogs vt-d |
| 14:18.01 | votality | ah just moning becuase i got debian under a vm and couldnt start virtual box |
| 14:18.09 | votality | as i found vtd was hogged |
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| 14:20.33 | arle | Just in case I'm being asked: Reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 14:20.34 | arle | Maybe the dependency management and suggestions on wath to do? |
| 14:20.39 | km0ti0n | Is there a live CD Iso of debian or have I gotta go with ubuntu? |
| 14:21.00 | meliowant | km0ti0n: why d'u need liveCD ? |
| 14:21.23 | km0ti0n | Just adding a new subnet to my n/w and need to config the firewall. just need a quick boot uop clicnt to test before I run the installer |
| 14:21.49 | meliowant | mmmm.... I think Ubuntu will be ok for this |
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| 14:22.15 | meliowant | you may try to use virtual interfaces for this purpose ;) |
| 14:22.21 | km0ti0n | Using the netinstall iso, but the firewall stopped access to the mirrors. |
| 14:22.23 | votality | km0ti0n: yes their is a live cd |
| 14:22.27 | votality | check the homepage |
| 14:22.36 | votality | i saw a link on there |
| 14:22.40 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.4-live/ |
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| 14:23.06 | votality | or download it directly there :P |
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| 14:23.44 | arle | km0ti0n: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ |
| 14:23.48 | km0ti0n | arh, sweet thanks adb |
| 14:23.51 | meliowant | http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 14:23.59 | meliowant | Hmm... |
| 14:24.14 | km0ti0n | I must be retarted. I still can't see any mention of it on debian.org |
| 14:24.16 | votality | can the livecd read luks/dmcrypt encryped disks |
| 14:24.39 | meliowant | votality: no idea :( |
| 14:25.00 | votality | i havn't tried it been using centos 5.3/4 live and it can |
| 14:25.14 | km0ti0n | thanks guys |
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| 14:25.17 | icebrain | !tell arle about why aptitude |
| 14:25.21 | votality | might make a live debian cd ig it can |
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| 14:26.01 | votality | oh lord 7352 B/s yeepers whats this repo doing to me |
| 14:26.29 | meliowant | icebrain: well... I'm using aptitude just for some brief review in sections.... and apt-get for all the rest stuff :) |
| 14:27.14 | icebrain | meliowant: it's your choice, but arle asked :) |
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| 14:27.30 | votality | any of you using debian under virtualbox windows |
| 14:27.33 | arle | icebrain: thanks! :) |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:27.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 14:27.42 | votality | installed the vmtools and they dont seem to be working |
| 14:28.02 | arle | votality: vmtools? you mean vbox guest additions? |
| 14:28.20 | arle | votality: If so, maybe you have to restart hal daemon |
| 14:28.21 | votality | yea |
| 14:28.25 | meliowant | icebrain: Yeah... But I cannot advise the things I'm not using... Truely? ;) |
| 14:28.31 | votality | arle: i rebooted |
| 14:28.49 | arle | votality: lsmod |grep vb |
| 14:28.55 | votality | mousepointer integration and paste not working |
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| 14:29.00 | votality | really annoying |
| 14:29.24 | votality | nothing that would explain it |
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| 14:30.06 | linduxed | nsadmin: in that case, which one would you recommend? |
| 14:30.11 | arle | votality: I understand you did install it... I mean.. you have the build-essential meta-package installed and the kernel headers too :-) |
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| 14:48.05 | votality | whats a usa debian repo mirror |
| 14:49.27 | votality | is there a list somewhere |
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| 14:49.42 | azeem | !mirrors |
| 14:49.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 14:50.57 | abrotman | votality: why would you use a USA mirror if oyu're in AU ? |
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| 14:51.11 | votality | im vpn'd to the us |
| 14:51.15 | seniorake | hm, when could one expect the freeze for squeeze..? |
| 14:51.20 | votality | vpn is slow back to au us is faster |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | !tell seniorake about wwsr |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | seniorake: there is no hard date set |
| 14:52.28 | seniorake | sure, but is it still planned for this month? |
| 14:52.30 | d1b | votality: why not just use an au mirror not via the vpn |
| 14:52.48 | votality | to much fricking aound with network config atm |
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| 14:59.28 | sepult | is there any way to prevent some built .debs from installing automagically when using apt-get source ? |
| 15:00.17 | Titan8990 | sepult: apt-get source does not install anything |
| 15:00.29 | Titan8990 | sepult: even with the -b build option, it does not install |
| 15:00.41 | votality | ah guess i can just add a route for the repo to be the gw if not the vpn if |
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| 15:01.55 | sepult | Titan8990: i enabled APT::Get::Compile="true" in my apt.conf is that why it is happending ?! |
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| 15:04.20 | Titan8990 | sepult: no idea. its not on my system and doesn't appear to be in the apt.conf manpage |
| 15:04.36 | seniorake | hm, SELECT COUNT(*) AS count FROM information_schema.tables; returns appropriate values when postgres is connected to the database in question, can the amount be computed without a connect to each database? |
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| 15:05.26 | azeem | seniorake: please ask in a postgres or sql channel |
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| 15:05.39 | seniorake | whoops wrong channel |
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| 15:21.09 | stuart | okay, now that i have kmuto's debian netinst in my laptop, how do i activate my broadcom wifi? its 2.6.32 kernel btw |
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| 15:21.44 | Judge-- | where are placed by default the ssh logins logs? |
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| 15:22.22 | cahoot | try /var/log/auth |
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| 15:23.11 | adb | !wl |
| 15:23.11 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . b44 and ssb are blacklisted by broadcom-sta as of 5.10.91.9.3-3. For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
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| 15:23.39 | Judge-- | cahoot nothing |
| 15:24.01 | Judge-- | hum |
| 15:24.02 | Judge-- | found it |
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| 15:26.16 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
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| 15:26.28 | HardDisk_WP | I got this in /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/GkK7Acve |
| 15:26.38 | HardDisk_WP | but I have to do ifup br0 by hand to get it up and running |
| 15:26.40 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
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| 15:27.10 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: auto missing? |
| 15:27.20 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: "auto br0" that is |
| 15:27.21 | HardDisk_WP | you mean a auto br0 before? |
| 15:27.24 | HardDisk_WP | ok will do |
| 15:27.36 | OpenTokix | HardDisk_WP: Why don't you just use bridge-utils? |
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| 15:27.50 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: Read the manpage (man 5 interfaces) |
| 15:28.15 | OpenTokix | HardDisk_WP: http://pastebin.com/Ain7B23d |
| 15:28.16 | HardDisk_WP | OpenTokix, because everything works once i do ifup br0 |
| 15:28.26 | OpenTokix | HardDisk_WP: then add auto br0 |
| 15:28.27 | Judge-- | thello guys.. I'm trying to use postgresql but it's saying: DETAIL: The database subdirectory "base/16497" is missing. Is it possible to try an "undelete" tool? |
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| 15:29.03 | HardDisk_WP | yeah the auto br0 worked thanks! |
| 15:29.13 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: yw |
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| 15:32.27 | ethanol | Judge--: yeah man, just hit ctrl+z |
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| 15:33.02 | Judge-- | ethanol if the filesystem just unlinked these blocks from the index it's possible to recover |
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| 15:33.27 | Judge-- | I'd need to restore the blocks indexing to the previous one |
| 15:35.16 | leg- | can someone help me compiling this code snippet on debian? http://forge.mysql.com/tools/tool.php?id=154 should the code be placed in a file interval_fmt.so? |
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| 15:37.36 | km0ti0n | is there a command I can use to moniter what processes are conntecting to different machiens through certain posts? |
| 15:38.15 | rvsjoen | netstat ? |
| 15:38.24 | babilen | leg-: Ask in #c++ and provide the exact errors you get (paste them somewhere). Or contact the author for support. There is not much anybody could do to help you if you don't provide more information. (/msg dpkg smart questions) |
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| 15:38.35 | km0ti0n | rvsjoen: sweet, just what I needed |
| 15:39.18 | stuart___ | how do i disable ndiswrapper, i wanna try another way to work around my stupid broadcom problem |
| 15:39.28 | babilen | leg-: stab in the dark: It could be that you are missing mysql -dev packages |
| 15:40.41 | abrotman | stuart___: uninstall it ? |
| 15:41.10 | leg- | babilen: its not that I am getting errors, but I dont know how to start |
| 15:41.22 | SRabbelier | I'm trying to get tomcat running, but it's not happy: http://pastebin.com/RATeeDiP. How can I investigate what's going on? |
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| 15:42.02 | babilen | leg-: You could start with following the instructions given on that site. |
| 15:42.06 | Titan8990 | judd: versions tomcat6 |
| 15:42.07 | judd | tomcat6 -- squeeze: 6.0.24-2; sid: 6.0.24-3 |
| 15:42.18 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier: thats testing/sid, did you check the BTS? |
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| 15:43.11 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier: adding set -x to the init script might help identify the problem |
| 15:43.24 | stuart___ | at the same time though, how come i can't apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 15:43.43 | Titan8990 | judd: versions ndiswrapper |
| 15:43.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ndiswrapper' was found. |
| 15:44.12 | Titan8990 | stuart___: aptitude search ndiswrapper..... |
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| 15:46.20 | leg- | [16:42:04] <babilen> leg-: You could start with following the instructions given on that site. |
| 15:46.35 | cahoot | judd: versions ndiswrapper-common |
| 15:46.36 | leg- | I told you I dont understand what they mean with that 1 line, or do you mean other instructions which I havent read? |
| 15:46.36 | babilen | leg-: yes? |
| 15:46.37 | judd | ndiswrapper-common -- etch: 1.28-1+etch1; etch-security: 1.28-1+etch1; lenny: 1.53-2; sid: 1.56-1; squeeze: 1.56-1 |
| 15:46.46 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: don't see anything relevant in the BTS ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=tomcat6 ), and running with -x gives this output: http://pastebin.com/w0YYJtCA |
| 15:47.38 | babilen | leg-: Well, save the code to file "interval_fmt.cc" and execute the given command |
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| 15:48.55 | km0ti0n | NDo you need to restart networking if you alter /etc/resolv.conf or jsut wehen you change /etc/network/interfaces not that it's too much extra effort, just wondering. |
| 15:49.00 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier: doesn't tell me much other than it failed because 1 did not equal 0 or 255 |
| 15:49.08 | Titan8990 | welcome to squeeze/sid? |
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| 15:49.21 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: right, that's what I made of that :P |
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| 15:49.37 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: heh, that's fine, but I'd like to investigate to try and find out why it's failing to file a useful bug report |
| 15:49.56 | SRabbelier | anything I should be doing (other than posting that trace?) |
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| 15:50.40 | wols_ | km0ti0n: resolv.conf takes effect immediately |
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| 15:51.03 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: for example, is there a log file I should be checking? |
| 15:51.40 | km0ti0n | cheers wols_ |
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| 15:55.19 | harry-houdini1 | to get rsync to ignore directories above the copy point for instance /home/harry/iso/* and copy the stuff to just /iso on a remote host do i use the --no-implied-dirs? |
| 15:55.43 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier: the `reportbug` command will include nescessary information |
| 15:55.55 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier: package versions, depends, etc |
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| 16:01.21 | rgr | I'm having prblems authenticating to a local dovecot IMAP server on squeeze after todays update. Anyone else here using dovecot locally please msg me so we can compare configs. |
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| 16:05.31 | harry-houdini1 | never mind --relative is what i was looking for thanks |
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| 16:08.20 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: report filed :) |
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| 16:17.21 | nervousTwitch | ok second day trying to figure this out im trying to use compiz aptitude is howing a compiz-core of 8.2-6 and the main plugin is .8.4-1 asked in compiz room they said it was because the versions are different any ideas on if that is the case and if it is what to do? |
| 16:17.54 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-core |
| 16:17.56 | judd | compiz-core -- etch: 0.2.2-1; etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 16:18.02 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-plugins-main |
| 16:18.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'compiz-plugins-main' was found. |
| 16:18.24 | nervousTwitch | compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 16:18.26 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 16:18.26 | judd | compiz-fusion-plugins-main -- lenny: 0.7.6-1; sid: 0.8.4-1; squeeze: 0.8.4-1 |
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| 16:18.46 | Titan8990 | nervousTwitch: ssb compiz-core from sid |
| 16:19.14 | Titan8990 | squeeze users should know this stuff |
| 16:19.49 | tim_abell | i'm running 64bit lenny, and lsmod hangs after outputting the headings. can anyone help me troubleshoot please? |
| 16:20.20 | tim_abell | it doesn't respond to ^C, and kill -9 has no effect |
| 16:20.42 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: anything useful in dmesg? |
| 16:21.17 | tim_abell | i did have a kernel oops from a modprobe this morning, nothing more recent |
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| 16:21.37 | kako_ste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.19 | Titan8990 | !ops kako_ste spammer |
| 16:22.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: kako_ste spammer |
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| 16:23.09 | tim_abell | Titan8990, http://paste.debian.net/63857/ |
| 16:23.46 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: null pointer dereference! |
| 16:23.54 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: uname -r |
| 16:24.07 | tim_abell | that was after running # modprobe ipmi_si which responded Killed |
| 16:24.17 | tim_abell | 2.6.26-2-amd6 |
| 16:24.28 | tim_abell | sorry, 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 16:25.20 | nervousTwitch | i just dont understand why they would send half a package and break it |
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| 16:26.00 | tim_abell | i didn't even know where to start with that error |
| 16:26.40 | nervousTwitch | just like the ubuntu software center that was installed |
| 16:27.06 | nervousTwitch | it was fixed on the update to debian software center but still had the ubuntu logo |
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| 16:27.31 | tim_abell | do you think lsmod hanging is a direct consequence of this morning's oops? |
| 16:27.40 | tim_abell | and should i be filing a bug somewhere? |
| 16:27.41 | Titan8990 | nervousTwitch: your using *testing* |
| 16:28.09 | Titan8990 | nervousTwitch: packages automatically get moved from sid->testing after a certain time and a certain critera |
| 16:28.19 | Titan8990 | nervousTwitch: if you expect things to work, don't use testing. simple |
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| 16:28.48 | nervousTwitch | they move in like 10 days but still can be held |
| 16:28.49 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: you got a oops this morning? |
| 16:29.01 | wols_ | Titan8990: are you running any special modules? like the nvidia or ati drivers? |
| 16:29.05 | tim_abell | yes, the one in the paste |
| 16:29.09 | wols_ | tim_abell: ^^ |
| 16:29.09 | Titan8990 | wols_: ask tim :) |
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| 16:29.24 | tim_abell | er, i don't know |
| 16:29.35 | tim_abell | not the nvidia or ati as it's a server |
| 16:30.41 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: paste the contects of /proc/modules |
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| 16:30.45 | Titan8990 | contents |
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| 16:30.57 | tim_abell | i installed lenny on it yesterday, and am still working on the build. i'm trying to get the dell openmismanage to run and the insmod was one of the things in one of the howto's i found |
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| 16:31.29 | tim_abell | # cat /proc/modules also hangs :-/ |
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| 16:31.56 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: insmod is not recommended... you should use modprobe instead |
| 16:32.27 | tim_abell | oh really? i didn't know that. what's the difference? |
| 16:32.35 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: insmod is a trivial program to insert a module into the kernel: if the filename is a hyphen, the module is taken from standard input. Most users will want to use modprobe(8) instead, which is cleverer. |
| 16:32.52 | tim_abell | ok, ta |
| 16:32.55 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: basically insmod is a lower-level utility |
| 16:33.13 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: same with rmmod vs modprobe -r |
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| 16:33.31 | tim_abell | ok, that's good to know |
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| 16:33.43 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: try removing that module from the kernel and looking at /proc/modules again |
| 16:34.08 | tim_abell | with modprobe -r or rmmod? |
| 16:34.16 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: modprobe -r |
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| 16:35.08 | tim_abell | that has hung as well! |
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| 16:35.38 | tim_abell | has an ever increasing number of screen consoles! |
| 16:35.59 | wols_ | tim_abell: man kill :P |
| 16:36.05 | tim_abell | looking at my notes i did use modprobe rather than insmod |
| 16:36.35 | wols_ | tim_abell: I'd reboot and check what stuff is loaded when it'S booted up again |
| 16:36.40 | tim_abell | oh lie it wasn't this morning, i don't have the right timezone yet, but it was some time today |
| 16:36.43 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: I am thinking that module is what is causing your issue |
| 16:36.50 | tim_abell | ok i'll do that |
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| 16:37.08 | tim_abell | though it'll have to wait as i'm currently running badblocks on a rather large drive! |
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| 16:37.34 | tim_abell | is the oops worthy of a bug report somewhere? |
| 16:37.53 | tim_abell | i'm newish to debian as a community |
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| 16:38.40 | tim_abell | Titan8990, that would fit the symptoms I think |
| 16:38.53 | tim_abell | thanks for your time wols_ & Titan8990 |
| 16:39.21 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: I would say its worth a bug report, only if the problem turns out to *not* be the third party module |
| 16:39.21 | tim_abell | i don't know what i'd do without the wonderfull OSS communities sometimes (pull my hair out a lot more probably!) |
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| 16:40.04 | Titan8990 | tim_abell: anytime |
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| 16:42.33 | tim_abell | ah, a bit of googling reveals i'm not alone |
| 16:42.38 | tim_abell | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0508.2/0463.html |
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| 16:42.49 | tim_abell | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg91557.html etc |
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| 16:43.17 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:43.25 | rethus | hopw can i downgrade sqeeze to lenny? |
| 16:43.43 | anao | rethus: better to reinstall |
| 16:43.44 | HardDisk_WP | I removed the startup links for openvpn and shorewall by update-rc.d -f .. remove |
| 16:44.00 | HardDisk_WP | how do I restore them and have them so that shorewall starts before openvpn? |
| 16:44.00 | anao | cause many things changed |
| 16:44.14 | anao | tried it last days |
| 16:44.27 | rethus | ok, then i reinstall it. |
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| 16:44.44 | rethus | but upgrade to squeese (if stable) is much more easyer? |
| 16:44.49 | anao | tried to downgrade remotely wasn't funny |
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| 16:45.19 | anao | yes upgrade most easier |
| 16:45.27 | rethus | ok, great. |
| 16:45.28 | rethus | thanks |
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| 16:46.12 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 16:46.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:46.55 | anao | but recognize the best is to install Lenny as mini-install, save Paket-List (dpkg -l > list.txt) and setup System, for upgrade import small Paket list to remove most |
| 16:47.25 | anao | then upgrade and import full-system-list again for squeeze.. |
| 16:47.58 | Titan8990 | !apt-clone |
| 16:48.02 | anao | my downgrade problem was udev and its deps.. |
| 16:48.15 | anao | now i use lenny with backports kernel |
| 16:48.45 | anao | Squeeze has a big BUG consolekit!! unsolved Problem with instances |
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| 16:49.34 | jjulian | ive a weird error. ive a raw image of a hdd e2fsck tells me hat it cant read the magic superblock size but i can mount read and write like ever. and i also can boot from it. so whats wrong? tune2fs -l /dev/xvda also gives me an error about bad superblock size. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 16:49.44 | Titan8990 | anao: along with 300+ other release critical bugs |
| 16:49.55 | anao | Consolekit is Buggy at Debian Squeeze and all ubuntu after 8.04 |
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| 16:50.40 | anao | yes i wanted Squeeze cause i wanted new Gnome+nautilus with small file view |
| 16:50.48 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 16:50.48 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 16:51.03 | anao | lenny has only list+icon view at nautilus |
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| 16:51.29 | anao | i must break now..my phone rings.. |
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| 16:52.08 | anao | do anyone knows Freeze of Squeeze?? March? |
| 16:52.35 | DogBoy | was that a bond villain? |
| 16:52.45 | DogBoy | or batman or what |
| 16:53.29 | salvachn | can I change the resolution on my laptop to 1366*768? It defaults to 1024*768. |
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| 16:54.09 | tim_abell | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571980 is similar to my issue but not identical |
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| 16:56.19 | \amethyst | # TODAY=$(date "+%b %d") STARTPOINT=$(date --date="${TODAY}" +%j); echo "${STARTPOINT}" |
| 16:56.23 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 16:56.56 | salvachn | How can I change the resolution on my laptop to 1366*768? It defaults to 1024*768. Xorg.conf hax only 1024*768 and 800*600 listed |
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| 16:57.05 | et | I have something odd here ... when booting, two new machines both get no default route (but they do get an ip and nameserver information from dhcp) |
| 16:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: Depends. Is the chipset capable of driving the screen at that resolution? Is the screen capable of displaying it? |
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| 16:57.27 | et | if i do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 a default route gets created and all is fine |
| 16:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: Be patient and at least wait for your question to scroll off the screen before repeating yourself. |
| 16:57.42 | Titan8990 | salvachn: generally resolution problems are due to incorrect graphics drivers being used |
| 16:57.45 | et | any idea why that could happen? |
| 16:57.55 | Titan8990 | salvachn: what graphics card do you have? |
| 16:58.01 | salvachn | jhutchins, yes, native res is 1366*768 |
| 16:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | et: What release are you running? |
| 16:58.08 | salvachn | intel gma4500 |
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| 16:58.22 | salvachn | jhutchins, sorry. :) |
| 16:58.30 | Titan8990 | et: do you have gateway specific settings in your interfaces config? |
| 16:58.38 | Titan8990 | salvachn: is that a netbook? |
| 16:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: What desktop are you running? |
| 16:58.48 | et | jhutchins_lt: lenny |
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| 16:59.23 | salvachn | Titan8990, no a 14.1 incher |
| 16:59.35 | et | Titan8990: no, it's as created from the installer ("allow-hotplug eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp") |
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| 17:00.11 | salvachn | jhutchins_lt, a samsung laptop with fed 12 - deb 5 dual boot |
| 17:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: What desktop are you running? |
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| 17:00.58 | salvachn | jhutchins_lt, gnome |
| 17:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: Gnome? KDE? Something else? |
| 17:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | salvachn: Ok, dunno for Gnome, there is xrandrtray/krandrtray which is a gui utility to set your resolution. Gnome may have configuration tools as well. Check your chipset agains the xorg driver listings, make sure you got the right one. |
| 17:02.14 | evilskillit | I'm looking for help setting up forwarding/redirection for an email address in exim. I want to make it forward all my incoming mail from eg: evilskillit@myhost.com to evilskillit@msonlineservices.com Could anybody point me in the right direction? |
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| 17:02.41 | jkprg | Hi. I have multiple IP aliases on iface. Is it possible to setup iptables (or whatever) to force outgoing source IP address? |
| 17:02.42 | salvachn | jhutchins, thanks. I'll set it up soon |
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| 17:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | jkprg: It's possible to set a default route. |
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| 17:05.44 | abrotman | jkprg: #netfilter would probably be more help |
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| 17:06.37 | jkprg | abrotman: Thanks. I didn't notice there's such group |
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| 17:09.17 | jirka2 | hello all, could somebody help me with this strange issue please? I'm running debian testing and after update to apache2.2-common version 2.2.14-7 and php5 version 5.3.1-5 php stopped working in users public_html folders, Web browser on http://localhost/~jirka/phpinfo.php offers the script to download, but does not run, There's no error message in logs (nor segfault or something, in apache document root (/var/www) it runs fine ...), folders have right permissi |
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| 17:09.58 | Titan8990 | !php5.3 |
| 17:09.58 | dpkg | [php5.3] You should have checked the <BTS> before you upgraded. Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download them from http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 17:10.08 | Titan8990 | jirka2: ^ |
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| 17:10.40 | jirka2 | Titan8990> BTS? |
| 17:10.47 | Hydroxide | !bts |
| 17:10.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 17:10.59 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 17:11.03 | jirka2 | oh, i see, thanks a lot |
| 17:11.07 | Hydroxide | np |
| 17:11.53 | jimi_hendrix | whats the best way to remove gnome and install KDE? |
| 17:12.13 | tim_abell | how do i find out if this patch (which seems to be a cure for my woes) has or will make it into the kernel, and then into debian, and then into debian stable? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg90526.html |
| 17:12.28 | rvsjoen | jimi_hendrix: install kde, change default, remove gnome ? |
| 17:12.59 | jimi_hendrix | rvsjoen: but how do i remove it so i dont have any scraps like gedit lying around? |
| 17:13.04 | giaco | hello |
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| 17:13.30 | wols_ | !tell jimi_hendrix about remove gnome |
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| 17:14.28 | giaco | I need your opinion for an hard task. I've an old, almost untoucheable debian server 4.0, apt tree is out of sync and the whole system is fragile - in a few words: i cannot update. I just need to install a backup system. Any suggestion? |
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| 17:14.50 | jimi_hendrix | thanks |
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| 17:16.30 | tim_abell | giaco, tar piped through ssh? |
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| 17:17.45 | giaco | tim_abell, too big: 50 gigs daily |
| 17:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | giaco: You're not going to get a bigger backup framework to run any faster or more efficiently than the basic tools that it uses. |
| 17:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | giaco: rsync or rdiff-backup are probably your best bets. Storage is cheap these days, there's no excuse for not having backups. |
| 17:19.21 | peterrooney | giaco: rsync may work; i doubt you have 50 gigs of new data daily. |
| 17:20.01 | tim_abell | oh, regular backups |
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| 17:20.41 | rvsjoen | flexbackup ? |
| 17:20.42 | giaco | peterrooney, no it's not "new data" but I don't want incremental backups, as I may need to restore the system after a cracker attack |
| 17:20.48 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:21.01 | giaco | jhutchins, I agree |
| 17:21.02 | \amethyst | so you don't want incremental backups, but you don't want to back up all the data each time? |
| 17:21.19 | \amethyst | what other choices are there? |
| 17:22.10 | giaco | \amethyst, that's not the point .. I'm just asking if you know any tool that handles backup (though just simple copy or rsync) |
| 17:22.39 | tim_abell | i use dar & dar-gui for some stuff |
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| 17:22.41 | giaco | something not-as-plain as cp -r * /dir/ |
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| 17:22.53 | Titan8990 | giaco: are you sure your not confusing incremental and differential backups? |
| 17:23.05 | \amethyst | giaco: what do you need that cp -r doesn't have? |
| 17:23.21 | \amethyst | giaco: oh, cp -r, not cp -a |
| 17:23.30 | \amethyst | giaco: is cp -a good enough? |
| 17:23.51 | Titan8990 | giaco: you should just use dump |
| 17:23.53 | Titan8990 | hides |
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| 17:30.14 | jhutchins_lt | Pretty sure we've got a memory leak in firefox 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1 |
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| 17:30.25 | jhutchins_lt | er, iceweasel that is. |
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| 17:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions firefox |
| 17:30.33 | judd | firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 17:30.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 17:30.46 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
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| 17:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | After running it for a few days, it was at 27% of RAM. Killed it, launched the same page, 7%. |
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| 17:32.45 | Titan8990 | FF needs a task manager like chrome |
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| 17:33.57 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, cause it needs to be bigger and more complex. |
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| 17:34.40 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: you would have a better indication on what was eating that RAM |
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| 17:40.04 | robbles | I just added some virtual interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces, how do I make Debian pick up on my changes? |
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| 17:42.08 | efka | robbles: ifup yourNewIfName |
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| 17:42.51 | robbles | efka: thanks :) |
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| 17:43.35 | linux | hello |
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| 17:44.16 | linux | anyone tell me how to set DNS by command besides vi /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:45.59 | efka | linux: echo "nameserver 7.7.7.7" > /etc/resolv.conf ? :) |
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| 17:46.36 | deco | is there an .img of lenny stable ? , i can't seem to find one |
| 17:46.44 | jhutchins_lt | robbles: Actually, that may not work, you may need to restart networking. |
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| 17:47.01 | linux | efka: I mean /etc/resolv.conf didnt work |
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| 17:47.25 | Titan8990 | deco: as in, a hardware image for a virtual-machine? |
| 17:47.27 | efka | linux: it's the only place to set dns in runtime. try to restart inetd if you have one running |
| 17:47.35 | \amethyst | deco: you mean of a preinstalled Debian system, not the installer? You could try the Debian-Live .isos |
| 17:47.36 | deco | Titan8990, no for a usb |
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| 17:47.46 | root_grapefruit | hello |
| 17:47.47 | deco | \amethyst, it's for a usb install |
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| 17:47.52 | \amethyst | deco: oh, the installer |
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| 17:48.00 | wols_ | !tell deco about usb install |
| 17:48.17 | \amethyst | deco: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 17:48.27 | root_grapefruit | does anybody know why everytime i am writing in ##C the following message returns: ##C :Cannot send to channel |
| 17:48.29 | linux | efka:I didnt have them I only INSTALL a mini part of linux . the vmlinux and the initrd.img |
| 17:48.41 | deco | thanks \amethyst |
| 17:48.46 | \amethyst | deco: though, yeah, you should read the link dpkg sent you |
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| 17:48.56 | \amethyst | deco: because just the boot.img.gz there isn't enough |
| 17:48.59 | linux | efka:could you help me |
| 17:49.02 | wols_ | root_grapefruit: you probably need to register your nick and be identified to services |
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| 17:49.23 | root_grapefruit | identify at the ##C channel? |
| 17:49.27 | root_grapefruit | how do i do this? |
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| 17:49.41 | wols_ | root_grapefruit: identify to freenode services. /msg nickserv help |
| 17:49.46 | \amethyst | deco: you also need to put an installer .ISO image into the image you download there; the release notes dpkg sent you will tell you have |
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| 17:50.03 | wols_ | linux: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:50.28 | Titan8990 | root_grapefruit: its recommended you setup your IRC client to identify, and *not* /msg nickserv |
| 17:50.41 | Titan8990 | I have seen multiple people typo it and end up sending their password into chat |
| 17:50.48 | wols_ | Titan8990: how do you identify excep tmessaging nickserv? |
| 17:50.51 | linux | I want build a mini route |
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| 17:50.57 | Titan8990 | wols_: my client does it |
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| 17:51.02 | wols_ | linux: do you want to install debian? |
| 17:51.09 | Titan8990 | wols_: -autosendcmd in irssi |
| 17:51.26 | linux | I think manbe someone know about this . |
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| 17:51.34 | Titan8990 | wols_: you are still doing /msg... just not manually |
| 17:51.39 | wols_ | linux: answer my question. do you want to install debian? |
| 17:51.57 | linux | YES .I download a .ISO |
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| 17:52.09 | wols_ | linux: and your problem installing debian is what? |
| 17:52.30 | linux | wols_: It is not about install |
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| 17:52.39 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 17:52.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:53.22 | linux | wols_: Could you tell me how to set DNS server by command |
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| 17:53.42 | wols_ | linux: you've already been told. edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:53.42 | Titan8990 | linux: echo 'nameserver <foobar>' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:53.43 | linux | wols_: NOT vi /etc/resolv.conf . |
| 17:53.59 | jhutchins_lt | linux: Someone has already answered that question for you. |
| 17:54.04 | Titan8990 | linux: above doesn't use vi... |
| 17:54.05 | wols_ | Titan8990: he's no a debian user fyi |
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| 17:54.17 | Titan8990 | wols_: what is he using? |
| 17:54.23 | jhutchins_lt | linux: If you think setting it in /etc/resolv.conf doesn't work you should describe what happens and try to fix that. |
| 17:54.28 | wols_ | 18:48 < linux> efka:I didnt have them I only INSTALL a mini part of linux . the vmlinux and the initrd.img |
| 17:54.33 | linux | wols_: Titan8990:jhutchins_lt: I have creat one .but It doesn't work |
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| 17:54.55 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 17:54.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:55.00 | wols_ | linux: cause what you run (if your statement is tru) is not enough to be a linux |
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| 17:55.08 | Titan8990 | wols_: uhh, so that means hes trying to PXE install? |
| 17:55.11 | linux | jhutchins_lt: do you how to make linux read it as a conf when it boot |
| 17:55.23 | wols_ | Titan8990: he said his problem is not the installation... |
| 17:55.31 | Titan8990 | linux: resolv.conf is always in use, and changes take effect immediatly |
| 17:55.41 | wols_ | 18:52 < linux> wols_: It is not about install |
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| 17:55.52 | wols_ | Titan8990: will it take effect in busybox too? |
| 17:56.08 | Titan8990 | wols_: no idea on that one |
| 17:56.10 | linux | Titan8990: wols_: I think we only need what we need |
| 17:56.15 | efka | yes, as long as busybox is built against standard libc |
| 17:56.21 | wols_ | exactly. and I doubt busybox sets IP, route and all that |
| 17:56.30 | linux | Titan8990: IT doesnt |
| 17:56.38 | wols_ | efka: the point of busybox is, there is no glibc |
| 17:56.48 | Titan8990 | wols_: oh, I would say it does because my DDWRT router uses busybox + resolv.conf |
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| 17:57.27 | efka | wols_: ok so it's statically linked? resolver is inside of libc library and busybox is linked statically against libc so resolv.conf file is still in the game |
| 17:57.37 | linux | Titan8990: is there some command like ifconfig |
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| 17:57.42 | wols_ | efka: uclibc != glibc |
| 17:57.46 | linux | Titan8990: to make DNS |
| 17:57.48 | Titan8990 | linux: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:58.18 | efka | wols_: i think the behavior should be the same ;) |
| 17:58.26 | Titan8990 | linux: can you even ping your DNS server? why do you insist on giving us as little information about your situation as possible? |
| 17:58.30 | wols_ | efka: it probably is. see what Titan8990 said |
| 17:58.45 | linux | Titan8990: I do say that I have a right resolv.conf . the point is that it didn't work |
| 17:58.46 | wols_ | Titan8990: the foremost information is, what version of debian is he running |
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| 17:59.00 | wols_ | linux: please ask ##linux unless you run debian |
| 17:59.02 | linux | Titan8990: YEs , i can |
| 17:59.11 | wols_ | or better yet, a embedded linux channel |
| 17:59.11 | Titan8990 | linux: what version of debian are you trying to work on? |
| 17:59.38 | \amethyst | linux: you might need to set up /etc/nsswitch.conf .... I don't know how that works with uclibc, though |
| 17:59.43 | linux | wols_:thanks |
| 18:00.20 | linux | Titan8990: debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 18:00.27 | efka | hm, i think uclibc does not use nsswitch.conf |
| 18:00.40 | \amethyst | efka: so how do you tell it to resolve hostnames using DNS? |
| 18:00.49 | \amethyst | efka: or does it always do /etc/hosts + DNS ? |
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| 18:01.30 | linux | \amethyst: Do you know what the time that linux read the .conf .and where to set them |
| 18:01.59 | linux | \amethyst: will linux read it when create /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 18:02.17 | wols_ | linux: linux does not read _any_ conf file |
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| 18:02.43 | wols_ | \amethyst: my router has no nsswitch.conf, but it has hosts and resolv.conf |
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| 18:02.49 | \amethyst | linux: like I said, I don't know about uclibc. With GNU libc, the config is read by libc the first time you call gethostbyname() or a similar function |
| 18:02.51 | linux | wols_: I mean how they got to work |
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| 18:03.02 | wols_ | linux: uname -r |
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| 18:03.06 | \amethyst | linux: do you have the 'host' program? |
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| 18:03.42 | linux | \amethyst: yeah |
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| 18:04.25 | \amethyst | linux: can you do host yahoo.com my.dns.ip.addr ? |
| 18:04.26 | linux | wols_: I just want to how to set the .conf to make effect when we build |
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| 18:05.06 | wols_ | linux: this is not a debian related question, you are therefore OT |
| 18:05.08 | linux | \amethyst: you mean host URL ADDR? |
| 18:05.17 | \amethyst | linux: err, no |
| 18:05.22 | wols_ | not to mention that you got this question answered several times by now |
| 18:05.28 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:05.31 | \amethyst | linux: host some-hostname-to-test ip-addr-of-the-dns |
| 18:05.31 | jhutchins_lt | linux: PLEASE read this before you go any further: http://linux.about.com/od/lna_guide/a/gdelna53t00.htm |
| 18:05.45 | linux | \amethyst: jhutchins_lt: OK thank you |
| 18:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | linux: You are trying to fix your headlights by playing with the windshield wipers. |
| 18:06.07 | linux | Maybe I need more google . I just cant find it |
| 18:06.19 | \amethyst | linux: does that 'host' command work? |
| 18:06.32 | linux | \amethyst: OK |
| 18:06.46 | linux | \amethyst: but will I add anyone ? |
| 18:06.54 | \amethyst | huh? |
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| 18:07.10 | \amethyst | this is just to make sure you can connect to your DNS, and that it actually resolves |
| 18:07.13 | linux | \amethyst: yeah |
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| 18:08.29 | linux | jhutchins_lt: thanks a lot . thank anyone |
| 18:08.58 | simonrvn | 'everyone' |
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| 18:09.44 | linux | simonrvn:yeah |
| 18:10.31 | linux | I mean maybe some want to help me . And I cant success with theirs |
| 18:10.35 | km0ti0n | oh, vim's not install by default on squeeze. |
| 18:11.38 | Titan8990 | km0ti0n: hardly anything is installed by default in debian |
| 18:11.57 | km0ti0n | In fact is there a list of packages that are installed via a net install with the different options selected, in particual with none of the options selected |
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| 18:12.45 | wols_ | iirc "vi" is installed however |
| 18:12.46 | Titan8990 | km0ti0n: what options? I assume you are talking about tasks? |
| 18:12.47 | km0ti0n | Titan8990: yeah I know, but I've installed 6 lenny boxes over the past 72 hours, all of which I've selected none of the options in the installer menus |
| 18:12.51 | wols_ | at least some form of vi |
| 18:12.59 | wols_ | Titan8990: no he means base files |
| 18:13.06 | Titan8990 | wols_: its the POSIX standard editor |
| 18:13.06 | wols_ | the stuff that is there without any tasks |
| 18:13.28 | km0ti0n | and all of the leeny boxes had vim, this is the 1st squeese and it's not got vim. |
| 18:13.30 | wols_ | Titan8990: ed! ed is the standard! one tru editor. ed! |
| 18:13.42 | manixor | Hello all. |
| 18:13.48 | efka | ed is even more traumatic than vi |
| 18:13.49 | wols_ | km0ti0n: no debian ever had vim by default. vi yes, vim no |
| 18:13.50 | km0ti0n | not a biggie, just wondered where I could find a list of the base system packages |
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| 18:14.03 | Titan8990 | vim-tiny maybe? |
| 18:14.07 | manixor | How can I see what video driver I need to install on my Debian system? |
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| 18:14.18 | Titan8990 | manixor: what card of card? lspci |
| 18:14.19 | wols_ | manixor: lspci --nn |
| 18:14.21 | wols_ | manixor: lspci -nn |
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| 18:14.47 | km0ti0n | maybe, it's vim.tiny |
| 18:14.47 | wols_ | manixor: supposedly X can decide on its own what to use. but as usual there is a difference between theory and practice |
| 18:15.19 | Titan8990 | wols_: I personally have never seen autodection fail in a case where the card was supported by the driver |
| 18:15.22 | manixor | This should be: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f] |
| 18:15.32 | Titan8990 | !radeon |
| 18:15.32 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo #radeon on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:15.47 | manixor | So I have an ATi Radeon X1200 |
| 18:16.01 | Titan8990 | manixor: fglrx is the proprietary drivers |
| 18:16.01 | rvsjoen | judd: pciid 1002:791f |
| 18:16.03 | judd | [1002:791f] is 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791f http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 18:16.46 | rvsjoen | careful with those if you have latest xorg, they don't play very well together |
| 18:17.01 | \amethyst | Does the latest fglrx even support that card? |
| 18:18.10 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: they did drop support for quite a few older cards a while back |
| 18:18.20 | \amethyst | I know the X1300 isn't supported anymore |
| 18:18.47 | \amethyst | but X1200 has a higher chipset number (RS690M as opposed to RV516) so it might still work |
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| 18:24.48 | manixor | I did aptitude install fglrx-driver, that's it, how can i check if i install the good driver for my video, or if my video working property? |
| 18:25.27 | deco | glxgears |
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| 18:34.41 | Titan8990 | manixor: thats not enough... |
| 18:34.47 | Titan8990 | !fgrlx one-liner |
| 18:34.58 | Titan8990 | !fglrx m-a |
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| 18:35.31 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 18:35.37 | Fantom__ | why on kernel boot after info of everything it goes to tty6 ? |
| 18:35.42 | Fantom__ | i am using kernel parameter console=tty1 |
| 18:35.45 | Fantom__ | it there a parameter for login |
| 18:35.47 | Fantom__ | ? |
| 18:36.01 | zmitya | do anybody have experience with installing lenny to a Fujitsu Primergy RX100 S6 server ? |
| 18:36.13 | zmitya | I can find only redhat and suse drivers |
| 18:36.33 | Titan8990 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 18:36.33 | dpkg | (on lenny) Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-control fglrx-driver module-assistant && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Create/edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). |
| 18:37.20 | Titan8990 | zmitya: for what? sounds like your looking in the wrong places (i.e. not the debian wiki or repos...) |
| 18:37.45 | Titan8990 | Fantom__: did you modify /etc/inittab? |
| 18:37.55 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: no of course:) |
| 18:37.57 | Fantom__ | where a places for init scripts? |
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| 18:39.14 | Titan8990 | Fantom__: init scripts belong in /etc/init.d |
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| 18:39.32 | tarik | hi all |
| 18:39.33 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: ok |
| 18:39.59 | Titan8990 | interesting... init.d is not part of FHS |
| 18:40.08 | tarik | How i can get debian etch, i didn't found it in debian website |
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| 18:40.20 | Titan8990 | tarik: etch is no longer supported |
| 18:40.26 | Titan8990 | !snapshots |
| 18:40.26 | dpkg | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
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| 18:41.24 | tarik | Titan8990: i want to work with software which only supported by ETCH |
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| 18:42.27 | Titan8990 | tarik: what software is that? |
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| 18:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Not an unusual situation. |
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| 18:46.00 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: not even unusual to not be able to port it to lenny? |
| 18:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, fairly common in fact. |
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| 18:46.31 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: well, we will never know if he doesn't respond |
| 18:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | Consider a system designed on one release by a large company that had to let most of it's IT people go. |
| 18:46.56 | jhutchins_lt | They don't have the staff to thoroughly test on the new release and correct any differences. |
| 18:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | Things like changes in PHP, MySQL, etc. |
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| 18:48.50 | Fantom__ | Setting console screen modes and fonts. -> which file are that? from /etc ? |
| 18:49.09 | Titan8990 | Fantom__: usually vga= kernel option |
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| 18:49.26 | Fantom__ | aah |
| 18:49.27 | Fantom__ | ok |
| 18:49.48 | manixor | Titan8990 I follow all that steps, how can I check if everything is OK with my video? |
| 18:50.05 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: i can't understand what change made my kernel on boot to goes to tty6 |
| 18:50.09 | amphi | Fantom__: setfont lets you change console fonts |
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| 18:50.34 | Titan8990 | manixor: restart X and see if everything is working |
| 18:50.58 | Fantom__ | what init script can be? |
| 18:51.10 | manixor | Titan8990 restart X, means restart PC? |
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| 18:51.35 | jhutchins_lt | manixor: No, just x. |
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| 18:52.15 | Titan8990 | manixor: if your in a debian-desktop setup (gnome), a log-out log-in should do it |
| 18:52.52 | Gran_Ger | Hi, My audio card was working fine, but suddenly stops working. Someone can help me to configure again? |
| 18:53.45 | TomyLobo | why are all my apps hanging after i leave it for about 1-2 hours? |
| 18:53.52 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: if you in lenny, try `alsaconf` |
| 18:54.16 | Gran_Ger | ok. as root I guess Titan8990 |
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| 18:54.26 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: yes |
| 18:54.35 | TomyLobo | mem usage about 20%, cpu usage <20% most of the time, yet X apps take ages to restore etc |
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| 18:54.38 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: also make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 18:54.53 | jeff_hann | TomyLobo, what hardware do you have? |
| 18:55.00 | Gran_Ger | How can I do that? |
| 18:55.07 | jeff_hann | also, what are the exact apps that are running? |
| 18:55.08 | TomyLobo | 1,8 ghz pentium something mobile |
| 18:55.11 | manixor | Titan8990 I found in /usr/bin/X, but I get this: Fatal server error:Unrecognized option: restart |
| 18:55.11 | cahoot | Gran_Ger: no relation to youtube/flash? |
| 18:55.19 | jeff_hann | TomyLobo, RAM? |
| 18:55.25 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: grep audio /etc/group |
| 18:55.29 | TomyLobo | i think 512 :) |
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| 18:55.42 | TomyLobo | but as said, it's at 20% |
| 18:55.45 | Gran_Ger | cahoot. I can't hear anything |
| 18:55.48 | TomyLobo | oh wait, that's including swap |
| 18:55.52 | TomyLobo | ok ram is full |
| 18:56.00 | Titan8990 | manixor: log out and log back in... or you restart the init script for your display manage i.e - /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:56.12 | jeff_hann | TomyLobo, problem fixed :P |
| 18:56.14 | cahoot | Gran_Ger: the intermittent fail isn't related to flash? |
| 18:56.17 | TomyLobo | what the hell, iceweasel is eating my ram |
| 18:56.24 | jeff_hann | it does that |
| 18:56.35 | jeff_hann | it's a known problem |
| 18:56.41 | Titan8990 | TomyLobo: iw/ff tends to do that, expecially with flash |
| 18:56.42 | jeff_hann | so don't leave it open |
| 18:56.58 | jeff_hann | esp. with 512 M RAM |
| 18:57.08 | Titan8990 | leaves chrome open for weeks at a time |
| 18:57.28 | TomyLobo | Titan8990 no flash involved |
| 18:57.43 | jeff_hann | TomyLobo, flash eats more CPU than RAM |
| 18:57.44 | TomyLobo | just plain html documentation files loaded off the harddisk |
| 18:57.48 | jeff_hann | iceweasel does |
| 18:57.49 | Gran_Ger | cahoot. Nop, the audio card just stop working |
| 18:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | TomyLobo: Yeah, I just confirmed that this morning. |
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| 18:58.43 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: only in the backported iceweasel? |
| 18:59.06 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: confirmed there, suspected on an older version in another distro. |
| 18:59.12 | TomyLobo | ok now this is fucked up: 4,2% mem for konsole |
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| 18:59.39 | Titan8990 | TomyLobo: kde is not a good choice if RAM is limited |
| 18:59.48 | TomyLobo | 512 mb is not THAT limited :) |
| 19:00.10 | Titan8990 | a 1gb stick costs around $15 USD |
| 19:00.15 | jhutchins_lt | TomyLobo: These days, yeah, it is. |
| 19:00.22 | TomyLobo | but where do i put that? i have a laptop |
| 19:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Older spec ram can be a lot more. |
| 19:00.43 | jeff_hann | TomyLobo, try XFCE |
| 19:00.45 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: DDR is slightly more, but still cheap |
| 19:00.53 | jeff_hann | it's not such a resource hog |
| 19:00.58 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I doubt we are talking SDRAM :) |
| 19:01.01 | TomyLobo | i dont like xfce |
| 19:01.01 | nervousTwitch | (firefox-bin:2911): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead any solution to this? months of spam |
| 19:01.07 | jhutchins_lt | TomyLobo: That said, most laptops that are still running have upgradable RAM, should be able to go to 2G pretty easily. |
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| 19:01.32 | TomyLobo | jhutchins sure, but it's probably not that cheap |
| 19:01.34 | Titan8990 | xfce is superior DE, regardless of RAM IMO |
| 19:01.44 | Titan8990 | I have 8gb of RAM and still run xfce |
| 19:01.47 | jeff_hann | that's highly subjective |
| 19:01.58 | Gran_Ger | Titan8990, The user is at the sound group |
| 19:02.00 | jeff_hann | I have 2gb, but still run it |
| 19:02.01 | Titan8990 | jeff_hann: thats why it was stated as an opinion |
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| 19:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | TomyLobo: It might surprize you, look around. It's worth at least finding out what it would cost to go to 1G. |
| 19:02.19 | jeff_hann | Titan8990, sorry, missed the IMO |
| 19:02.29 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: check alsamixer to ensure nothing is muted |
| 19:02.31 | Gran_Ger | Titan8990, I use the alsa-config command, and apparently it was configured |
| 19:02.42 | sigmonsays | is there a way to search multiple debian repo's from a web page? (Ones that are custom) |
| 19:02.44 | Titan8990 | Gran_Ger: alsaconf, not alsa-config |
| 19:03.06 | TomyLobo | i have a gedit eating 14 mb, a konsole eating 20 mb, gah |
| 19:03.12 | TomyLobo | worse than windows |
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| 19:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | sigmonsays: If the custom repo provides a web interface, sure. |
| 19:03.43 | sigmonsays | keyword, multiple. I'd like them aggregated |
| 19:04.13 | sigmonsays | really, i'm looking for some software to do this. |
| 19:04.17 | Gran_Ger | Titan8990, that's what I did |
| 19:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | sigmonsays: I don't know of a third-party indexing service, and it wouldn't necessarily cover all custom repos anyway. |
| 19:04.29 | TomyLobo | ok, i deactivated some gedit plugins, now it's 17 mb, sigh |
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| 19:04.55 | jhutchins_lt | sigmonsays: I know of http://pbone.net for rpm's but nothing for .debs. |
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| 19:05.13 | sigmonsays | Hmm. Seems like this would exist already |
| 19:05.14 | sigmonsays | k |
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| 19:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | sigmonsays: That's not to say it's not out there, but I haven't seen it yet. |
| 19:06.11 | abrotman | sigmonsays: there used to be apt-get.org .. but it's *really* out of date |
| 19:06.15 | dutchfish | simonrvn: have you delved into packagesearch ? |
| 19:06.24 | dutchfish | oops was for simonsays |
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| 19:06.36 | abrotman | dutchfish: one more try ? |
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| 19:06.57 | manixor | Titan8990 I have in System->Preference->ATi Catalist Control Center, but when I click on it I get an error:Initialization error, no ati grafics is install or ati drive not function property |
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| 19:07.21 | sigmonsays | I see it, it's more for custom internal repositories. It's no biggie, I can whip up some app quickly |
| 19:07.55 | jhutchins_lt | sigmonsays: You could take a look at the pbone code and see what it would take to do for debian. |
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| 19:15.18 | gandhijee | hey guys, how can i set up NetworkManager to not manage my wifi interface? |
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| 19:19.45 | abrotman | gandhijee: /etc/NetworkManager/nm-settings or something like that |
| 19:20.02 | gandhijee | ahh |
| 19:20.03 | gandhijee | thanks |
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| 19:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | Or just configure it manually in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:31.48 | lindebarg | Hello from Argentina! |
| 19:31.53 | lindebarg | any help me? |
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| 19:32.58 | lindebarg | can anybody help me, about debian 5 conf installer? |
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| 19:33.49 | lindebarg | please ...can anybody help me, about debian 5 conf installer? |
| 19:34.18 | jelly-home | lindebarg: ask your question |
| 19:34.24 | kraehe | lindebarg, please read about metaquestions firsts |
| 19:34.28 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:34.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:35.36 | lindebarg | whch is the command for configurate the initial values of debian system (the same command that installer first) sorry for my poor english |
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| 19:36.33 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: that is only available from the debian installer, but its pretty basic stuff |
| 19:36.40 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: looking for something specific? |
| 19:36.48 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 19:36.48 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 19:37.21 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I think you interpretted that question a bit different that me :) |
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| 19:38.22 | lindebarg | i need configurate net and source and package (I forget do this) |
| 19:38.59 | lindebarg | and modules too |
| 19:39.05 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/apt/sources.list, and `tasksel` |
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| 19:39.34 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: /etc/modprob.d/* for modules, but evdev should handle modules pretty well automatically |
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| 19:39.55 | pflanze | Hello. I'm looking for a way to control volume from a gnome panel applet *when using OSS4* |
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| 19:42.21 | lindebarg | i dont know if is into debian 5 too, but in sarge haved a command in text mode for all initial values ...can be in 5 the same? |
| 19:43.17 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: not that I have seen |
| 19:43.53 | lindebarg | Titan: thanks! the same |
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| 19:45.33 | marcos | hello to all, i need help on imsniff, somebody can help? |
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| 19:48.10 | Titan8990 | marcos: probably better luck in ##security |
| 19:48.29 | Titan8990 | lindebarg: anytime |
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| 19:50.09 | abrotman | Titan8990: ah, i see . he wants to be asked the questions again ... |
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| 19:52.16 | lindebarg | no sorry, my english make confusion. |
| 19:52.17 | mac32 | hello to all, i need help on imsniff, somebody can help? |
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| 19:52.51 | nmvictor | i want to start installing lenny in my iBook but is their anyone wishing to take my hand on this, i have naver used neither iBook nor debian |
| 19:53.25 | mac32 | i need to help about how i can run it whitout start it after 40 min |
| 19:53.31 | nmvictor | !iBook |
| 19:53.31 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:55.54 | mac32 | i use imsniff on my GW linux Debian, after the 40 min it stop and i need to start again, somebody know how can i fix it? |
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| 20:02.07 | abrotman | what is GW Linux Debian ? |
| 20:02.58 | dkr | gateway/firewall? |
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| 20:03.51 | abrotman | i was waiting for mac32 to answer ? |
| 20:04.02 | dkr | heh "imsniff is beta software, for now, only MSN is supported" |
| 20:04.05 | mac32 | soory |
| 20:04.08 | mac32 | sorry |
| 20:04.23 | Titan8990 | dkr: there is also aimsniff, which handles multiple chat protocols |
| 20:04.33 | Titan8990 | might not be available in debian however |
| 20:04.35 | mac32 | can you ask again |
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| 20:04.51 | Titan8990 | mac32: your IRC client doesn't scroll? |
| 20:04.54 | dkr | sniffing IM is evil anyway |
| 20:05.12 | dkr | jabber default encryption ftw |
| 20:05.42 | mac32 | sorry, but i have to use it on my gw |
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| 20:07.33 | mac32 | do think the aimsniff, is better them imsniff? |
| 20:08.10 | Titan8990 | no idea. most of us probably don't like walking the thin line of wiretapping laws |
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| 20:10.15 | dkr | it's not a matter of the law, it's unethical, :) |
| 20:11.09 | mac32 | sorry, but i have to sniff it. |
| 20:11.09 | mkultra | dkr, but that's what makes it fun |
| 20:11.33 | Titan8990 | mac32: is this for a business? |
| 20:11.40 | mac32 | yes, |
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| 20:13.16 | Titan8990 | mac32: why allow IM traffic at all? |
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| 20:13.36 | bilgo | Hi I need some help |
| 20:13.53 | Titan8990 | mac32: if your lusers use it for collaboration software, make them use a jabber server that you can log and control |
| 20:13.59 | bilgo | I have a remote debian server, it was working fine just few hours ago but now when I try to login via ssh it does not accept password |
| 20:14.13 | bilgo | the servr is up as its asking for pass but its not accepting |
| 20:14.19 | bilgo | im sure im giving the correct pass |
| 20:14.21 | dkr | bilgo: turn off caps lock |
| 20:14.24 | bilgo | anyway to figure out what happend? |
| 20:14.42 | Titan8990 | bilgo: does it have a remote serial console? |
| 20:14.52 | bilgo | i login to it via putty |
| 20:14.55 | bilgo | ssh |
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| 20:15.12 | Titan8990 | bilgo: alright... |
| 20:15.16 | Titan8990 | bilgo: does it have a remote serial console? |
| 20:15.21 | mac32 | i know about this (Jabber server) but i need to install, and now i have no time for it |
| 20:15.30 | bilgo | what does that mean, Titan8990? |
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| 20:15.43 | Titan8990 | bilgo: is a VPS you have bought from a hosting company?\ |
| 20:15.50 | bilgo | yes |
| 20:16.03 | Titan8990 | bilgo: if they are not terrible, you will have a remote serial console |
| 20:16.14 | Titan8990 | bilgo: it works as if you were sitting in front of the screen yourself |
| 20:16.32 | bilgo | are you talking about the cpanel? |
| 20:16.41 | bilgo | which we access like the web interface? |
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| 20:16.51 | Titan8990 | bilgo: no, cpanel is usually what the terrible ones have instead of a serial console :p |
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| 20:17.05 | Titan8990 | bilgo: you should be offered *some* kind of recovery mode |
| 20:17.07 | bilgo | i think ssh is serial console |
| 20:17.12 | xdr | how, good is this award? nouvo gamespot independent award? |
| 20:17.23 | Titan8990 | bilgo: no, its not |
| 20:17.26 | bilgo | well I want to know why is it not accepting my password |
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| 20:17.35 | Titan8990 | bilgo: the point is that you can use it when not even networking on the box works |
| 20:17.51 | Titan8990 | bilgo: maybe you were compromised and someone changed it? |
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| 20:18.01 | Titan8990 | bilgo: you won't know until you get in the box |
| 20:18.07 | bilgo | thats very unlikely |
| 20:18.15 | bilgo | well |
| 20:18.18 | Titan8990 | bilgo: is it exposed to the internet? |
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| 20:18.22 | bilgo | yes |
| 20:18.29 | bilgo | its online ofcourse |
| 20:18.32 | Titan8990 | then its not *that* unlikely |
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| 20:18.38 | bilgo | thing is |
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| 20:18.44 | Titan8990 | bots probably pound out your ssh all day |
| 20:18.55 | bilgo | I was running some programs on the server which were using some ports |
| 20:18.58 | bilgo | is there a specific way |
| 20:19.01 | bilgo | or me to know |
| 20:19.02 | bilgo | for* |
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| 20:19.07 | bilgo | if the ports are still in use? |
| 20:19.14 | bilgo | if yes, it means someone comproised me |
| 20:19.19 | bilgo | if not, it means some server issue |
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| 20:19.41 | jelly-home | !tell bilgo about enter |
| 20:19.43 | Titan8990 | bilgo: netstat will show active connections |
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| 20:20.05 | bilgo | i cant use netstat unless im in the box |
| 20:20.14 | Titan8990 | bilgo: nmap can scan for open ports |
| 20:20.15 | obiwahn | well your netstat could be overwritten |
| 20:20.23 | CyberGabber | bilgo: Did you already try to connect from another client, of other location to connect to server? |
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| 20:20.28 | bilgo | I know what ports I was using, can I not manually check it? |
| 20:20.34 | robbles | try telnet |
| 20:20.39 | bilgo | CyberGabber yes |
| 20:21.11 | bilgo | telnet ip port |
| 20:21.12 | bilgo | ? |
| 20:21.22 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:21.46 | scientificum | hello |
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| 20:23.01 | jelly-home | bilgo: "I know what ports I was using" -- did your app listen on a tcp port, or something else? |
| 20:23.17 | bilgo | yah |
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| 20:25.00 | jelly-home | bilgo: your app might have died in an improper way, which would stop a restart from using the same listening port until the kernel cleans up that port state |
| 20:25.20 | bilgo | thing is |
| 20:25.22 | jelly-home | bilgo: you really should log in and confirm the state using netstat |
| 20:25.24 | bilgo | i added 3-4 users |
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| 20:25.34 | bilgo | i cant login with any username |
| 20:25.39 | bilgo | now if someone compromised me |
| 20:25.44 | bilgo | why will they delete all users |
| 20:25.46 | bilgo | its unlikely |
| 20:25.55 | bilgo | + i had nothing imp that thy would steal |
| 20:26.06 | Titan8990 | bilgo: im sure your VPS is a perfectly good spambot |
| 20:26.16 | bilgo | pardon? |
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| 20:26.37 | Titan8990 | bilgo: and yes, it is very likely that if you were compromised they would prevent you from accessing the machine |
| 20:26.48 | jelly-home | bilgo: if you can't log in, best to contact the admin or your provider's support. Also, PLEASE write down complete sentences before pressing enter. |
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| 20:27.16 | bilgo | yeah I have reported them but I wanted to know what can I do to be sure now whats the issue |
| 20:27.24 | manixor | I have a notebook with web cam and microphone included, how can I see what driver need to install for them. PS: I succeed to install video driver for my ati x1200. |
| 20:27.40 | jelly-home | bilgo: remotely, not much |
| 20:27.49 | Titan8990 | bilgo: if you basically screwed when SSH goes down, its time to find a new provider imo |
| 20:28.04 | robbles | ask your vps provider to login and change the password for you |
| 20:28.26 | Titan8990 | robbles: I would hope they can't do that... |
| 20:28.37 | nmvictor | I'm installing debian in my iBook and i need help, my enter key is disfuctional.Is their a way I can use another key binding to reciprocate this, please help |
| 20:28.45 | Titan8990 | robbles: or have policies against doing that |
| 20:28.54 | manixor | This I want to install : Bus 006 Device 003: ID 04f2:b008 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd USB 2.0 Camera |
| 20:29.00 | robbles | Titan8990: if it's OpenVZ, they can do "vzctl enter <CTID>" without a password |
| 20:29.09 | bilgo | ok |
| 20:29.12 | bilgo | im in cpanel now |
| 20:29.14 | bilgo | cpanel worked |
| 20:29.19 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: xmodmap might help |
| 20:29.23 | bilgo | can u tell me how to check ssh last loged in ips |
| 20:29.25 | bilgo | from cpanel? |
| 20:29.37 | Titan8990 | bilgo: ##cpanel |
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| 20:29.46 | Titan8990 | bilgo: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:30.08 | Titan8990 | bilgo: if you were compromised however, that log will appear clean... unless the guy/bot/script was not very good |
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| 20:32.26 | bilgo | Titan8990 i cant login via ssh |
| 20:32.29 | bilgo | im logged in via cpanel |
| 20:32.45 | Titan8990 | bilgo: ok? |
| 20:32.46 | jelly-home | Titan8990: that channel doesn't exist! |
| 20:32.59 | Titan8990 | thought it did |
| 20:33.15 | Titan8990 | damn proprietary commercial apps |
| 20:33.18 | bilgo | so i dont see any /var/auth log there |
| 20:33.29 | Titan8990 | bilgo: do you have access to the filesystem? |
| 20:36.01 | bilgo | i dont think so |
| 20:36.35 | orfix | Hi, i'm new to debian(5.0.4) and i discovered that vlc don't play flv from youtube (some old flvs that i have worked well) how can i fix this ? thanks. |
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| 20:37.06 | adb | orfix, use mplayer |
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| 20:37.51 | adb | orfix, / msg dpkg dmm |
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| 20:38.38 | bilgo | oh |
| 20:38.42 | bilgo | i can use the command center |
| 20:38.56 | bilgo | from cpanel.. cat /var/auth log didnt worked |
| 20:38.57 | orfix | adb: didn't understand your last message, what do you mean by ' / msg dpkg dmm' ? |
| 20:39.33 | adb | do thet command here in irc channel |
| 20:40.09 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.37 | orfix | adb: ok i see :D thanks |
| 20:40.43 | adb | yw |
| 20:40.52 | Titan8990 | bilgo: it would help if you actually tried the path I gave you |
| 20:41.19 | Titan8990 | bilgo: instead of altering it... is this for a business of any kind? |
| 20:41.40 | bilgo | what should I use in command center |
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| 20:41.44 | bilgo | i tried the path you gave |
| 20:41.46 | bilgo | it did not worked |
| 20:42.07 | Titan8990 | bilgo: do you know where the *log* directory is on a linux system? |
| 20:42.25 | Titan8990 | hint: its *not* /var/auth |
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| 20:43.04 | bilgo | i know |
| 20:43.12 | bilgo | i did /var/log/auth.log .. then i did cd /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:43.15 | nervousTwitch | aptitude is hanging at waiting for headers it finally works just takes 10 minutes any advise |
| 20:43.16 | bilgo | then pico /var/log/auth.log .. nano /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:43.18 | bilgo | none worked |
| 20:43.46 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work |
| 20:43.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 20:43.57 | Titan8990 | bilgo: does the file exist? |
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| 20:44.17 | adb | bilgo, pwd , says ? |
| 20:44.24 | bilgo | well im not using ssh, im using "Cmmand center" from cpanel |
| 20:44.26 | zjblabs | is there an easy graphical monitor configuration tool that's typically used? |
| 20:44.27 | bilgo | one sec adb |
| 20:44.49 | bilgo | adb: It just gives output: / |
| 20:44.56 | manixor | Titan8990 You know what driver I need to install for this: Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd USB 2.0 Camera ? |
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| 20:45.40 | Titan8990 | manixor: no, its not detected as a storage device? |
| 20:45.48 | Titan8990 | bilgo: so it exists, but its empty? |
| 20:45.58 | bilgo | whats empty? |
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| 20:46.12 | Titan8990 | bilgo: the auth log... |
| 20:46.13 | bilgo | when I use "last" command, it only show my ips |
| 20:46.25 | bilgo | when i type "last" |
| 20:47.16 | Titan8990 | bilgo: your one of the more difficult people I have ever attempted to help |
| 20:47.21 | Titan8990 | you're |
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| 20:47.40 | bilgo | lol |
| 20:47.45 | robbles | bilgo: I recommend finding a linux for beginners book or tutorial |
| 20:47.58 | manixor | Titan8990 I get the type of my camera with lsusb, on fdisk -l not appear... |
| 20:47.59 | Titan8990 | I ask you a question, you tell me something entirely different... that isn't how this support thing works |
| 20:48.22 | Titan8990 | manixor: I wouldn't know then. I don't own a camerea |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | hi, I've a question about building a debian package |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | I want to build a package from source code which I can compile with these instructions |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | ./customized.sh && ./configure && make && make install |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | I've tried to build a package about three years ago and there was instructions about these in debian/rules file |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | but the only thing I see is "dh $@" now. |
| 20:48.26 | yuxel | Can anybody help me about this? |
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| 20:48.37 | Niklas- | I'm having a small issue here with Debian Testing and upgrading udev. The new version requests that CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED is disabled in the kernel, but this machine is being booted via PXE so i cannot replace the kernel. Is there any way around this? |
| 20:48.54 | bilgo | got it |
| 20:49.05 | bilgo | Titan8990 : This is the file u were talking about? /var / logauth.log |
| 20:49.11 | manixor | Titan8990 OK, thanks, I will try later. |
| 20:49.15 | Titan8990 | !udev squeeze |
| 20:49.15 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 20:49.33 | bilgo | i found this file in file manager |
| 20:49.34 | bilgo | its HUGE |
| 20:49.36 | Titan8990 | bilgo: thats not even a valid path... but close |
| 20:49.37 | bilgo | what to read in this? |
| 20:49.58 | orfix | adb: i added dmm to my sources.list and installed the debian-multimedia-keyring package what should i do next ? |
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| 20:50.13 | Titan8990 | orfix: install what you need from dmm? |
| 20:50.31 | Niklas- | I am running kernel 2.6.32-2 |
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| 20:50.47 | Titan8990 | bilgo: I don't even remember because it took you 20min to find it |
| 20:50.52 | orfix | Titan8990: i searched for flv using aptitude search flv and all i get is flvtool2 |
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| 20:51.09 | orfix | Titan8990: i want to view flv files using vlc |
| 20:51.30 | orfix | Titan8990: old ones from youtube works well but new ones dont at all |
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| 20:52.26 | bilgo | Titan8990 |
| 20:52.28 | bilgo | u are right |
| 20:52.35 | bilgo | that was somthing else |
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| 20:52.41 | bilgo | i found the correct location now and its empty |
| 20:52.53 | bilgo | nothing writen in it, that means? |
| 20:53.13 | DogBoy | Titan8990, which release of debian do you run |
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| 20:53.40 | Titan8990 | bilgo: someone deleted the contents or your syslog daemon's configuration wasn't splitting auth to auth.log, in which case auth info would go to /var/log/messages |
| 20:53.43 | Titan8990 | DogBoy: lenny |
| 20:54.02 | bilgo | wait |
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| 20:54.28 | abrotman | wait... i never had a chance to love you |
| 20:54.28 | dustybin | is there a CLI only Last FM player for debian? |
| 20:54.30 | nmvictor | i have started the debian installtaion on my iBook and i hit a snag:: No NewWorld boot partiotion was found. The yaboot installer requires an Apple_Bootstrap at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS Macintish file system, ;;; end of snag, any one know what i should do, im completely new in debian |
| 20:54.42 | abrotman | dustybin: probably ask #lastfm, but i doubt it |
| 20:54.47 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 20:55.18 | bilgo | Titan8990 /var/log/messages only has like: Mar date -- MARK -- |
| 20:55.20 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: thats ppc specific, so you will have better luck on #debian-ppc |
| 20:55.25 | bilgo | 140 lines like that |
| 20:55.28 | bilgo | what does that mean? |
| 20:55.31 | abrotman | i think it's #debianppc |
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| 20:55.43 | bilgo | in some places its like: sysdlog: restart. |
| 20:55.45 | Titan8990 | bilgo: your syslog daemon is screwed or someone tampered with your logs |
| 20:55.59 | bilgo | how to be sure what happend? |
| 20:56.19 | dustybin | haha |
| 20:56.24 | dustybin | apt-get install lastfm |
| 20:56.26 | dustybin | sorted. |
| 20:56.41 | dustybin | dam it needs X |
| 20:56.42 | manixor | What is in /dev/video0 ? |
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| 20:56.44 | dutchfish | bilgo: confirmed, at least on squeeze/amd64 |
| 20:56.47 | nmvictor | Titan8990: #debianppc is completely dead, a handfull members, anyway i think im trying out some wokarunds |
| 20:56.52 | Titan8990 | bilgo: what version of debian is this? |
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| 20:57.00 | bilgo | 5 |
| 20:57.03 | bilgo | i think |
| 20:57.03 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: the mailing list might also be helpful, but slower |
| 20:57.24 | Titan8990 | bilgo: cat /etc/issue |
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| 20:57.44 | dutchfish | bilgo: as far as i figured out it restarts, when X is restarted |
| 20:58.24 | Titan8990 | dutchfish: his password stopped working and his auth log is empty as well... |
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| 21:00.27 | smacnay | Can xdm allow remote logins and allow user switching? |
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| 21:02.39 | dustybin | shell-fm :D |
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| 21:04.13 | dutchfish | bilgo: cat /etc/issue ? |
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| 21:04.38 | bilgo | wait man |
| 21:04.41 | bilgo | im in tension |
| 21:04.52 | dutchfish | bilgo: np, take your time |
| 21:04.53 | Titan8990 | its a single one-two line file |
| 21:05.03 | bilgo | it says debian 5.0 |
| 21:05.12 | bilgo | Debian gnu linux 5.0 \n |
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| 21:05.25 | bilgo | man i think i should remove all my files and my users |
| 21:05.32 | bilgo | what u think? |
| 21:05.49 | Titan8990 | bilgo: you have posted a lot of things with small mistakes in them. does your copy+paste not work? |
| 21:05.50 | marsje | Hi! How do I get Debian machine installed without any X to run xfce at startup with automatic login? I have an application that insists on having a graphical screen... |
| 21:06.09 | bilgo | Titan8990 it does |
| 21:06.33 | bilgo | the faillog files are so huge |
| 21:06.39 | bilgo | it hanged my firefox |
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| 21:06.47 | bilgo | faillog is failed attempts of login right? |
| 21:06.52 | Titan8990 | bilgo: alright, now try copy+paste with the name of your syslog daemon (which was wrong earlier), and with /etc/issue, which is also slightly wrong |
| 21:07.02 | Titan8990 | bilgo: this server has firefox? |
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| 21:07.11 | bilgo | Titan8990 no |
| 21:07.14 | bilgo | I am usin windows |
| 21:07.18 | robbles | bilgo: you have access to the shell from your browser, then why don't you reset your password and try putty again? |
| 21:07.20 | bilgo | i bought this server |
| 21:07.28 | bilgo | i have access of control panel |
| 21:07.32 | bilgo | my ssh pass is not working |
| 21:07.50 | bilgo | there is option "Command Center" IN Cpanel, i am using it for commands |
| 21:08.01 | Titan8990 | bilgo: then use it for: `passwd root` |
| 21:08.08 | bilgo | Titan8990 Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 21:08.18 | bilgo | ok wait |
| 21:08.20 | Titan8990 | bilgo: better :) |
| 21:08.43 | bilgo | a blank screens comes with output |
| 21:08.57 | bilgo | i tried to change pass of users like that but it gave same empty output screen |
| 21:08.59 | Titan8990 | its interactive, it should ask you enter a new password |
| 21:09.10 | bilgo | its not asking |
| 21:09.22 | robbles | probably doesn't allow interactive programs |
| 21:09.27 | dustybin | it works!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:09.27 | dustybin | Receiving 8-bit Tag Radio. |
| 21:09.28 | dustybin | Now playing "Superduperkomputer" by Rymdkraft. 02:38 |
| 21:10.07 | bilgo | what do u suggest now Titan8990? |
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| 21:10.27 | dutchfish | Listening to Bayé by Monique Seka, on Okaman |
| 21:10.48 | DogBoy | listening to my beard grow |
| 21:10.52 | rvsjoen | I always have a burning desire to know what other people are listening to |
| 21:11.03 | dustybin | http://nex.scrapping.cc/shell-fm/ |
| 21:11.10 | dutchfish | i am very sorry |
| 21:11.26 | bilgo | Titan8990 anything u want to suggest before i start removing everything that comes in my way |
| 21:11.27 | bilgo | ? |
| 21:11.31 | Titan8990 | bilgo: what does echo $SHELL show? |
| 21:11.35 | bilgo | wait |
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| 21:11.57 | dbbolton | is this CPU a single core: http://paste.debian.net/63885/ |
| 21:12.07 | bilgo | it shows: /bin/bash |
| 21:12.22 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: yes |
| 21:12.29 | Titan8990 | bilgo: there is no reason passwd would not work |
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| 21:12.33 | rvsjoen | dbbolton: yes, additional cores show up as processor1 processor2 etc |
| 21:12.36 | Titan8990 | bilgo: run chkrootkit |
| 21:12.40 | dbbolton | thanks |
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| 21:12.53 | bilgo | again gives blank output |
| 21:13.00 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen: sometimes hyperthreads will also show up as that on single core cpus |
| 21:13.04 | pretty`girl | http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=HzkN can i get some help please? :)))) |
| 21:13.14 | Titan8990 | bilgo: you already had it installed? |
| 21:13.21 | Titan8990 | bilgo: does blank output == no output? |
| 21:13.26 | bilgo | yes |
| 21:13.38 | robbles | Titan8990: his "command center" doesn't allow interactive commands |
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| 21:14.04 | bilgo | let me try rebooot option |
| 21:14.17 | Titan8990 | robbles: alright, wasn't aware, thanks |
| 21:14.42 | bilgo | before i reboot, can u tell me where are users saved in linux which I add with adduser cmd? |
| 21:14.58 | robbles | bilgo: I would change your password non-interactively. Not the password for root, but the password for the user you SSH in with |
| 21:15.00 | bilgo | I want to remove them first so if i dont get back access of cpanel atleast the hackers will not get my files |
| 21:15.03 | Titan8990 | bilgo: /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shaddow |
| 21:15.21 | Titan8990 | bilgo: you should not manually remove users in that manor |
| 21:15.33 | Titan8990 | bilgo: use userdel for non-interactive user removal |
| 21:15.35 | bilgo | its giving blank window again |
| 21:15.38 | bilgo | no output |
| 21:15.54 | Titan8990 | bilgo: userdel does not give output |
| 21:16.05 | bilgo | i was talking about ur previous command |
| 21:16.08 | bilgo | shaddow one |
| 21:16.11 | Titan8990 | bilgo: and it souds like you just ran it without figuring out how it works first |
| 21:16.22 | Titan8990 | bilgo: those are not commands, they are files |
| 21:16.54 | bilgo | ok |
| 21:16.58 | bilgo | lemme reboot now |
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| 21:17.07 | robbles | bilgo: I would give up and file a support ticket with your VPS provider. Either ask them to reset your SSH login password, or ask them to reinstall your VPS |
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| 21:17.30 | bilgo | i did that already |
| 21:17.39 | robbles | and when you get your access back, don't do anything without reading up on how Debian and GNU/Linux works |
| 21:17.42 | bilgo | its 2:30 am and i have school tomorow but damn im awake till now cause of this problem |
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| 21:18.29 | bilgo | man |
| 21:18.31 | bilgo | now it works |
| 21:18.33 | bilgo | reboot worked |
| 21:18.34 | bilgo | lol |
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| 21:19.17 | Fantom__ | WARNING: Bastille-firewall is not configured yet |
| 21:19.23 | bilgo | are the following alright |
| 21:19.23 | bilgo | smmta:x:105:107:Mail Transfer Agent,,,:/var/lib/sendmail:/bin/false |
| 21:19.24 | bilgo | smmsp:x:106:108:Mail Submission Program,,,:/var/lib/sendmail:/bin/false |
| 21:19.27 | bilgo | ? |
| 21:19.27 | Fantom__ | but i don't have a bastille? |
| 21:19.33 | Fantom__ | but msgs i stilll there |
| 21:19.57 | jelly-home | bilgo: if sendmail is installed, yes. |
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| 21:20.28 | robbles | bilgo: don't edit that file unless you know what you're doing |
| 21:20.44 | Titan8990 | bilgo: if sendmail is installed, make sure you check your server: http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
| 21:20.52 | bilgo | can u tell me some command so if someone from range other than my ip logs in i get an email automaticaly |
| 21:20.55 | bilgo | or something like that |
| 21:20.56 | jelly-home | at 2am, he definitely _doesn't_ know what he's doing :-> |
| 21:21.09 | robbles | bilgo: "passwd -a -S" shows you what accounts are able to log in |
| 21:21.22 | Titan8990 | bilgo: logrotate can email you daily auth logs |
| 21:21.34 | bilgo | ok |
| 21:21.38 | bilgo | ill learn about it tomorow |
| 21:21.49 | bilgo | ill be back here for u guys to help me, good night now |
| 21:21.53 | bilgo | thanks alot for today :) |
| 21:22.02 | Fantom__ | how can i remove this warning msgs from bastille, i don't have bastille? |
| 21:22.27 | robbles | I had an easier time explaining OS X to my ludding grandmother |
| 21:22.31 | robbles | *luddite |
| 21:22.34 | Titan8990 | Fantom__: your box seems to have a lot of non-default things going on "you didn't do" |
| 21:22.35 | mkultra | does the lenny default initrd support lvm? I moved my lenny install to lvm, the kernel boots, but says 'can't find root filesystem' |
| 21:22.43 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: how can i stop it |
| 21:22.50 | Titan8990 | mkultra: need to install the lvm package |
| 21:23.00 | Titan8990 | Fantom__: remove bastille? |
| 21:23.04 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: i have apt-get remove |
| 21:23.08 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: it.. |
| 21:23.14 | jhutchins_lt | Fantom__: Would you care to tell us where these warnings appear so we might have a clue? |
| 21:23.16 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: ldconfig? |
| 21:23.27 | Fantom__ | Titan8990: in kernel boot |
| 21:23.58 | Titan8990 | mkultra: aptitude install lvm2 |
| 21:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | reminds himself to get an extra case of printer paper for tomorrow's log if bilgo's coming back. |
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| 21:24.22 | Titan8990 | mkultra: make sure root= is right in menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
| 21:25.14 | mkultra | Titan8990, forgot the fstab, thanks |
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| 21:25.48 | dutchfish | why does rsyslogd (rarely) restarts with normal line rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.4.2" x-pid="1604" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] (re)start | after a ksyslog restart or kdm restart? |
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| 21:26.34 | jelly-home | dutchfish: how often does it restart? Is it in regular intervals? Does the restart time coincide with startup of the machine? Is anacron installed? |
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| 21:27.28 | dutchfish | jelly-home: not regular, i have seen them just after and X restart (kdm), i am not pointing to a normal boot or cronjob interval |
| 21:28.19 | mkultra | Titan8990, "/dev/mapper/vg1-lenny does not exist" ... I'll try installing lvm2 inside lenny then |
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| 21:28.55 | mkultra | so installing lvm2 actually changes the initrd? |
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| 21:29.31 | jelly-home | dutchfish: forced restart of kdm? Did a user log in at that time? |
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| 21:29.45 | Titan8990 | mkultra: not really sure but I imagine its required |
| 21:30.22 | dutchfish | jelly-home: none logged in, a restart from the greeting/login screen or through ssh |
| 21:31.50 | dutchfish | jelly-home: one thought i have is that it is related to an X restart while using KMS mode with the driver, but i am not sure |
| 21:33.10 | jelly-home | dutchfish: you could strace -ff the init script for kdm and see if kdm invocation happens to restart syslog for some reason (/dev/xconsole cleanup?) |
| 21:33.15 | dutchfish | jelly-home: i will delv einto it later, and if it repeats i file a bug-report |
| 21:33.35 | dutchfish | jelly-home: ok |
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| 21:35.20 | eptalon | hello all... |
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| 21:36.00 | eptalon | Does the "grub-pc" which is currently in sid have the "pc does not boot" problematic, or has that been fixed? (on amd64) |
| 21:36.35 | eptalon | and hello there :) |
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| 21:37.25 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 21:37.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:37.48 | jelly-home | eptalon: there were at least 2-3 "does not boot" bugs in grub-pc and some more in mdadm, can you be more specific? |
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| 21:38.15 | dss | Hi |
| 21:38.24 | dss | help |
| 21:38.33 | dss | /help |
| 21:38.37 | dss | omg |
| 21:38.45 | jelly-home | dss: fail! |
| 21:38.48 | eptalon | jelly-home: probably 568001 |
| 21:39.06 | dss | No command? |
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| 21:39.40 | Titan8990 | .... was that a trolling attempt? |
| 21:39.47 | jelly-home | eptalon: that one seems to be graphics-related |
| 21:40.09 | jelly-home | # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) |
| 21:40.09 | jelly-home | GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 21:40.33 | jelly-home | likes ye olde blue text menu |
| 21:41.03 | jelly-home | eptalon: so to work around, edit /etc/default/grub, run update-grub afterwards |
| 21:41.17 | eptalon | No, that wasn't. it- |
| 21:41.36 | eptalon | 575706? |
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| 21:41.43 | jelly-home | see, that's why I suggested to be more specific :-> |
| 21:41.46 | eptalon | 565.. |
| 21:42.07 | eptalon | Debian Bug report logs - #565706 |
| 21:42.09 | eptalon | grub-pc: grub2 enters rescue mode with "fd0 cannot get C/H/S values" |
| 21:42.20 | eptalon | looks better. |
| 21:42.22 | robbles | Does debian have a command like "lcap" to show kernel capabilities? |
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| 21:43.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell robbles about apt-file |
| 21:43.28 | robbles | Nothing appears in http://packages.debian.org/file:lcap |
| 21:43.37 | robbles | I figured apt-file would be the same |
| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | well, there you have it |
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| 21:45.21 | eptalon | jelly-home: big question: I dist-upgraded the system today, and have version 1.98-1. |
| 21:46.26 | jelly-home | eptalon: do you have a livecd with grub-legacy somewhere nearby? :-) |
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| 21:46.55 | jelly-home | eptalon: I just ruined both my debian install boots today with mdadm from squeeze, so have been browsing grub and mdadm bugs from a livecd |
| 21:47.55 | eptalon | mdadm? - whats the problem with mdadm? |
| 21:48.24 | eptalon | I have 3 "softraids" which use lvm/mdam |
| 21:48.40 | jelly-home | eptalon: if you don't boot off it, I won't bother the channel with needless details |
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| 21:50.19 | eptalon | jelly-home: I boot off md0. |
| 21:50.42 | eptalon | jelly-home: so /boot is on a RAID1, and / is on an lvm. |
| 21:51.24 | jelly-home | eptalon: I used whole disks as array members. That didn't go too well with mdadm 3.0.3-2 initramfs scripts. |
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| 21:52.19 | eptalon | jelly-home: I use disk partitions. |
| 21:52.23 | jelly-home | this is an atypical setup, normal people have separate md devices for each partition since md wasn't partitionable until recently |
| 21:52.28 | jelly-home | right |
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| 21:52.35 | jelly-home | so ignore me |
| 21:52.47 | eptalon | I guess you refer to 569358? |
| 21:53.45 | jelly-home | eptalon: no |
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| 21:54.46 | eptalon | Probably doesnt concern me. |
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| 21:57.06 | cast | thats what hes been saying yo |
| 21:57.31 | jelly-home | word |
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| 21:59.54 | dutchfish | lol |
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| 22:01.15 | dutchfish | eptalon: why you installed root on an lvm? |
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| 22:01.27 | jelly-home | because he can! |
| 22:01.41 | jelly-home | also, RHEL does it that way so obviously it works |
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| 22:02.14 | jelly-home | one small raid1 for /boot, and the rest for a single huge partition = lvm pv |
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| 22:03.14 | cast | i put root on lvm, being able to take a snapshot before doing a big system change is very handy |
| 22:03.54 | eptalon | dutchfish: I have two "raid1" md arrays, one of 300G, the other of 1.5T; the 1.5T is "home", and the 300G is the /, /usr, /var, and "swap". |
| 22:04.09 | dutchfish | maybe i have a different opinon, sure, if it was hardware raid np, but why take that extra risk? |
| 22:04.26 | eptalon | dutchfish: the problem with "root" is that it's hard to judge how much is needed. |
| 22:04.37 | dutchfish | true |
| 22:04.45 | eptalon | dutchfish: hence the lvm. |
| 22:04.56 | cast | you consider the lvm layer to be risky? |
| 22:05.15 | dutchfish | i consider the softraid layer to risky |
| 22:05.35 | dutchfish | at least for boot |
| 22:05.40 | cast | ah |
| 22:05.42 | keith4 | I have my own mirror set up. I'd like to put a package built by alien, from an RPM, into my local mirror. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:06.20 | eptalon | dutchfish: /boot is fixed size on a "softraid" (md0). |
| 22:06.33 | cast | keith4: just one question...you're tested the package works? |
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| 22:06.55 | keith4 | cast: yes |
| 22:07.08 | eptalon | dutchfish: so far I have never had trouble from the softraid, except that rebuilding is slow. |
| 22:07.10 | keith4 | I've been installing it manually on a few different boxes here |
| 22:07.26 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 22:08.33 | eptalon | dutchfish: the harddisks are "24/7", and work fine, except that their age starts to show. Rebuild speeds around 60M/s max. |
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| 22:09.05 | eptalon | dutchfish: the "1.5T" are consumer harddisks, and don't get up to that speed. |
| 22:09.08 | cast | age doesn't slow down disks surely |
| 22:09.21 | rgr | What, other than gnome-screensave (or X-screensaver) is causing my monitor to turn off every 10 minutes if I leave it idle - impossible to watch a movie on it. Debian squeeze. |
| 22:09.31 | cast | oh, in a old tech sense, i get it :) |
| 22:09.38 | eptalon | cast: older disks are more prone to fail. |
| 22:10.42 | jelly-home | cast: new single spindle sata typically go over 100MB/s (on the faster end ;-) |
| 22:10.42 | keith4 | rgr: try xset -dpms? |
| 22:11.13 | keith4 | rgr: or 'xset s off' |
| 22:11.45 | eptalon | jelly-home: but the "consumer disks" have some auto spindown/green tags which make them unfit for raid (and wear faster) |
| 22:12.11 | cast | jelly-home: to think i spent last year running off a SD card that got 4mb/s // 1mb/s r/w speeds :< |
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| 22:13.24 | dutchfish | eptalon: i use hardware raid where i can, but i am also testing small sd's for boot, so i can use a total soft-raid disk set for lvm, i consider that easier to fix when a disaster scenario happens (simply exchange the sd card) |
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| 22:13.44 | steve__ | does anyone know if there is a consumer based petabyte drive available for sale? |
| 22:14.11 | jelly-home | steve__: wait 2-3 years. |
| 22:14.19 | jelly-home | wait no, PB? |
| 22:14.33 | steve__ | jelly, PB |
| 22:14.39 | eptalon | dutchfish: I don't have the business case to be able to afford a hw raid controller (and no, I don't consider "hw-assisted" as in modern mobo's a solution. |
| 22:14.49 | jelly-home | steve__: what kind of consumer are you, bulimic? |
| 22:14.52 | jelly-home | hides |
| 22:15.14 | cast | in big HW diverse orgs SW raid can be the preferable standard as it makes it easier to shuffle disks around, without having to worry about finding one with the same raid controller [and possibly same firmware?] |
| 22:16.11 | eptalon | cast: IIRC it's about 10-20% slower, and does not get on cpu load. |
| 22:16.14 | edeca | Ew, software RAID :) |
| 22:16.42 | steve__ | jelly-home, i'm a storage fiend |
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| 22:17.29 | dutchfish | eptalon: i meant sw raid along with a small sd as an alternative to hw raid |
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| 22:18.26 | dutchfish | eptalon: but there a even more solutions i admit |
| 22:19.30 | dutchfish | eptalon: but i have been beaten by root on lvm over software raid, i don't consider it anymore |
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| 22:21.41 | zjblabs | what is the reccomended way to enable a xinerama monitor configuration? |
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| 22:22.03 | dutchfish | eptalon: the sd option also is nice if you consider the same hardware for iSCSI in future |
| 22:22.12 | keith4 | zjblabs: the proper way is to avoid it, if possible |
| 22:22.37 | zjblabs | keith4: ok, then how do I do multi-monitor? |
| 22:22.55 | keith4 | what card? |
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| 22:24.20 | plagerism | I would like to create a secondary interface bridged to a primary interface on the fly, with a different unique mac address is this possible? I guess I know it is, its just a matter of how |
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| 22:25.23 | rgr | the question should have been which debian too. |
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| 22:26.19 | zjblabs | keith4: radeon 9250 |
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| 22:27.24 | Tramp | plagerism: "virtual ethernet device pair" "veth driver" "ip link add type veth" - that are keywords you can use to google for how to use the "veth" kernel moduled. Don't forget to tell me, if you find useable documentation |
| 22:27.28 | keith4 | doesn't the fglrx driver do dual head? |
| 22:27.46 | keith4 | I forget what ATI calls it... whatever their version of "TwinView" is |
| 22:27.59 | zjblabs | hasn't the fglrx driver not supported the 9250 since... way back? :P |
| 22:28.18 | keith4 | depends which version of debian, as rgr says |
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| 22:28.42 | keith4 | iirc, the 'aticonfig' thing will write you a dual-head conf file |
| 22:28.47 | zjblabs | but yes, it does, but in order to use the OLD fglrx, I'd need to use xorg 6.x among other things |
| 22:28.56 | rgr | and whether the tides out and its a full moon. Its a mess in squeeze at the moment. |
| 22:29.00 | zjblabs | keith4: indeed |
| 22:29.28 | abrotman | zjblabs: i don't know that it ever did |
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| 22:30.54 | zjblabs_ | heh, sorry, if you said anything after the last thing I said, I probably didn't see it |
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| 22:31.27 | xaashi | hi, anyone know pointers to getting v4l2 working on debian? thanks |
| 22:31.28 | psi-jack | Hmmm interesting. |
| 22:31.32 | plagerism | Tramp thank you |
| 22:31.48 | plagerism | I wouldnt have ever have thought of putting those words together |
| 22:31.49 | psi-jack | Loading kernel modules should seriously not take hardly any time at all, yet mine's been sitting at it for like 2 minutes . |
| 22:32.11 | zjblabs | you are the, psi-jack, psi-jack, correct? |
| 22:32.29 | psi-jack | The same and only one that owns this nick, yes. |
| 22:33.13 | zjblabs | hmm, I had something to ask you but now I can't remember what it was... |
| 22:33.28 | psi-jack | Well, son of a... blerg. Brand new spanking debian installation, and it crashes at loading kernel modules. WTF. |
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| 22:33.49 | amphi | zjblabs: you use the radeon driver? |
| 22:33.56 | zjblabs | amphi: yes sir |
| 22:34.23 | amphi | zjblabs: xrandr worked ok with my 7500 - does it not with you? |
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| 22:35.02 | zjblabs | heh, not sure how to use it |
| 22:35.28 | drasko | hi all. I'd like to install Python 2.6, although newest version for my Debian is 2.5. What can I do? |
| 22:35.45 | zjblabs | drasko: install python-proper from python.org |
| 22:35.46 | amphi | xrandr with no args will show you the displays |
| 22:35.46 | Titan8990 | drasko: install manually to /usr/local |
| 22:35.58 | zjblabs | back when I used opensuse (err, 3 days ago or so...) I'd sax2 quickly and be done... |
| 22:36.09 | cast | drasko: install manually to /usr/local/stow/python-2.6/ |
| 22:36.11 | zjblabs | amphi: heh, I figured that part out pretty quick |
| 22:36.17 | Titan8990 | drasko: if you don't install to /usr/local and your default env becomes 2.6, your system will become unusable. You must be careful |
| 22:36.25 | amphi | zjblabs: this is a laptop? |
| 22:36.32 | psi-jack | grunts. |
| 22:36.39 | zjblabs | amphi: It'd be one hell of a laptop to have a 9250 :P |
| 22:36.52 | psi-jack | Is there a way I can blacklist or specifically say not to load 8139cp during grub? |
| 22:36.57 | zjblabs | it's a relative beast as far as power consumption goes and I don't believe a mobile version was ever made :D |
| 22:37.06 | drasko | Titan8990, and then change all my scripts to search python there? |
| 22:37.07 | psi-jack | I'm thinking that may be causing my lockup at loading kernel modules. |
| 22:37.16 | drasko | Titan8990, that would be a lot of work... |
| 22:37.21 | zjblabs | psi-jack: there's some blacklist file you can use... |
| 22:37.23 | zjblabs | I've forgotten |
| 22:37.34 | psi-jack | Mind you, this isn't booting. |
| 22:37.34 | Titan8990 | drasko: if they require python2.6, yes |
| 22:37.47 | Titan8990 | drasko: you can not have 2.6 as your default in lenny |
| 22:37.47 | drasko | Titan8990, would apt-pinning help? |
| 22:37.52 | Titan8990 | drasko: no |
| 22:38.00 | amphi | zjblabs: xrandr --display $SECOND_DISPLAY --auto --right-of $FIRST_DISPLAY |
| 22:38.08 | amphi | zjblabs: for example |
| 22:38.10 | zjblabs | ./etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:38.19 | drasko | Titan8990, what is stable now? Lenny? Etch is testing? |
| 22:38.22 | Titan8990 | drasko: help you get it installed, yes... but it will overwrite 2.5 and you will see things break |
| 22:38.29 | amphi | zjblabs: what are they? VGA-0 & VGA-1 ? |
| 22:38.34 | Titan8990 | drasko: lenny is stable, etch is old-stable (no longer supported) |
| 22:38.39 | psi-jack | What the heck. |
| 22:38.43 | psi-jack | Suddenly after 2 cold boots, it works. |
| 22:38.49 | drasko | Titan8990, if I do apt-dist upgrade? |
| 22:38.50 | psi-jack | narrows his eyes at it. |
| 22:39.17 | Glebelg | hi |
| 22:39.24 | Titan8990 | drasko: how many scripts do you actually have that depend on 2.6? |
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| 22:39.46 | Glebelg | I'm on debian squeeze and vlc fonts are ugly |
| 22:39.49 | Titan8990 | judd: versions python2.6 |
| 22:39.49 | linuxguy | Hi U want to download and try aquueze. theres many CDs listed, which one is the KDE version? |
| 22:39.50 | judd | python2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.4-6; sid: 2.6.5~rc2-1 |
| 22:39.53 | Glebelg | is it normal? |
| 22:39.55 | zjblabs | xrandr --display $DVI-0 --auto --right-of $VGA-0 doesn't work amphi |
| 22:40.03 | drasko | Titan8990, a lot of. Whole project is based on SCons |
| 22:40.15 | Titan8990 | !testing |
| 22:40.15 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on ... |
| 22:40.24 | amphi | zjblabs: without the '$'s ? ;) |
| 22:40.36 | zjblabs | still not working |
| 22:40.40 | drasko | Titan8990, sqeeze has 2.6? |
| 22:40.41 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: thats an "if you have to ask, you shouldn't" thing |
| 22:40.51 | amphi | zjblabs: silent failure? |
| 22:41.00 | Titan8990 | drasko: yes, but I highly recommend against squeeze for anything remotely production related |
| 22:41.17 | amphi | zjblabs: what does 'xrandr | grep max' say? |
| 22:41.17 | Titan8990 | drasko: I don't know of a production-ready distro that currently has 2.6 as the default env |
| 22:41.18 | zjblabs | ish.. it just tells me its usage and not what, specifically, it doesn't like |
| 22:41.25 | drasko | Titan8990, nope, it is my personal computer, and a hobby project |
| 22:41.36 | linuxguy | Titan8990, erm roger that.......so thees isnt just a kde cd /dvd available then? |
| 22:41.39 | zjblabs | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1600 |
| 22:41.42 | Titan8990 | drasko: still... do you expect your personal computer to work? |
| 22:42.07 | zjblabs | which I believe I've actually fudged my way past 1600x1600 when I was playing with frequencies ;D |
| 22:42.09 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: netisnt is the preferrred method. Its doubtful you will get much squeeze support here, so I hope you really know what your doing |
| 22:42.37 | drasko | Titan8990, I have always used testing Debian distro before... It is just that I did not updated it long time now. I had impression that before Debian "testing" was pretty stable... |
| 22:42.50 | amphi | zjblabs: presumably the combined width of the monitors is more than 1600 pixels? |
| 22:42.51 | drasko | Is this not a case with sqeeze? |
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| 22:43.08 | Titan8990 | drasko: it has 300+ critical bugs currently preventing its freeze |
| 22:43.08 | zjblabs | amphi: yes, and I've done it before |
| 22:43.22 | zjblabs | 1600x1200 + 1600x1200 |
| 22:43.30 | drasko | :) |
| 22:43.31 | amphi | zjblabs: perhaps you need a 'Virtual' line in Section Screen SubSection Display in your xorg.conf |
| 22:43.42 | zjblabs | amphi: whatever for? |
| 22:43.43 | drasko | Titan8990, I am changing scripts... |
| 22:43.47 | psi-jack | There we go. |
| 22:43.50 | Titan8990 | drasko: many people use squeeze for desktops, and complain when it doesn't work. I am against it for anything other than providing nice bug reports to the debian developers |
| 22:43.56 | zjblabs | psi-jack: damn, you're rigth, this *is* a hassle :P |
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| 22:44.03 | amphi | zjblabs: Virtual 3200 1200 or whatever |
| 22:44.05 | psi-jack | zjblabs: Eh? |
| 22:44.06 | linuxguy | Titan8990, i was told that last nite.....netinstall.......but ive not done a net install before, i have no backup pc to read instructions etc, so a cd would be best for me just to see what squeeze is like etc |
| 22:44.17 | Titan8990 | drasko: if you know your way around debian, you can do it, but like the factoid says, it will be a bumpy ride at times |
| 22:44.19 | amphi | zjblabs: this is lenny? |
| 22:44.19 | zjblabs | psi-jack: when you suggested opensuse to me earleir |
| 22:44.26 | zjblabs | amphi: afaik |
| 22:44.35 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: the livecds in debian are not installers |
| 22:44.40 | psi-jack | zjblabs: heh |
| 22:44.55 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: you want to put squeeze on your *only* pc?? |
| 22:45.01 | psi-jack | I REALLY like Debian for servers. |
| 22:45.05 | zjblabs | amphi: before I knew what I was doing I added the unstable repo instead of the stable one and updated everything |
| 22:45.08 | psi-jack | Just never cared for it for desktop use. |
| 22:45.10 | amphi | zjblabs: then a 'Virtual' line of sufficient size to accommodate both monitors will make it work |
| 22:45.21 | zjblabs | to avoid serious breakage by going back down I just keep it that way now :D |
| 22:45.22 | amphi | oh... |
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| 22:47.40 | linuxguy | Titan8990, I just want to see what its like, i hear its more upto date now than lenny, I am here fro the testing downloads but do not know whichone is kde only http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:48.16 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: there is no kde only... I doubt there is a squeeze livecd |
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| 22:48.23 | drasko | Titan8990, so what would be the fastest way to install Python locally? Can I get it pre-compiled, or I have to compile it myself? |
| 22:48.40 | psi-jack | apt-get install python? |
| 22:48.45 | Titan8990 | drasko: I would check with upstream python |
| 22:48.47 | linuxguy | Titan8990, thanks for your help |
| 22:48.59 | Titan8990 | psi-jack: he wants to install another version along with the system's version |
| 22:49.03 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: anytime |
| 22:49.05 | Devastator | abrotman continuing: well, sometimes when I do aptitude safe-upgrade it installs packages that there's nothing to do with anything I think.. today I did aptitude safe-upgrade and it installed wpasupplicant, I don't even have wireless card :| |
| 22:49.08 | psi-jack | Hmmmm |
| 22:49.11 | drasko | Titan8990, how to do this? |
| 22:49.18 | psi-jack | And dpkg doesn't allow relocating does it? |
| 22:49.19 | zjblabs | doesn't debian have a python buildservice repository? ( psi-jack :P ) |
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| 22:49.47 | Titan8990 | drasko: source |
| 22:49.48 | psi-jack | zjblabs: Dunno. Don't use python. |
| 22:49.49 | psi-jack | :p |
| 22:50.17 | Titan8990 | drasko: or what zjblabs said might be a possibility. I have never heard of it |
| 22:50.32 | zjblabs | Titan8990: it's a joke, I heavily doubt it at this point in my debian experience |
| 22:50.48 | drasko | Titan8990, you say - compilation from the source, if I undferstood well? |
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| 22:50.55 | Titan8990 | drasko: yes |
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| 22:51.04 | drasko | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 22:55.22 | Titan8990 | Devastator: most likely the laptop or desktop tasks |
| 22:55.54 | psi-jack | So, does anyone here use keepalived at all that knows how it's intendedly supposed to work? |
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| 22:56.34 | psi-jack | I'm trying to setup an Active-Active firewall/router, and it seems like keepalived with conntrackd can do this. |
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| 22:58.52 | drasko | Titan8990, is /usr/local default instalation dir? In Python README it says: to install in /usr/local, first do "su root" and then "make install". No prefix mentioned... Just to check before I break something. |
| 22:58.57 | Titan8990 | psi-jack: hehe, I see that comes with a NDA |
| 22:59.37 | Titan8990 | drasko: most things you install with `make install` do default to /usr/local. If the docs say that it is likely true. If you really want to me certain you can look at the Makefile |
| 22:59.43 | robbles | Anyone know how important the default Debian "127.0.1.1" entry is for in /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:59.46 | psi-jack | Titan8990: Eh? |
| 23:00.04 | psi-jack | Oh. *thunks himself* |
| 23:00.07 | Titan8990 | robbles: fairly important |
| 23:00.17 | Titan8990 | robbles: for a desktop it might not give you any issues however |
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| 23:00.55 | psi-jack | From my understanding, and this sounds wierd, to have two Active-Active firewalls up, you have both firewalls holding onto each their own IP and the gateway IPs (which would cause an IP conflict normally). |
| 23:01.08 | robbles | Titan8990: I think it's for purposes of FQDN, right? What if I replace it with a "10.0.0.1" entry (my LAN ip) |
| 23:02.34 | Titan8990 | robbles: services like apache might give you trouble. you can add a new line in addition to the loopback |
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| 23:03.00 | mkultra | grub2 is insane |
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| 23:03.59 | robbles | Titan8990: will it be OK if I add an extra line with a copy of the 127.0.1.1 line (different ip address)? |
| 23:04.15 | Titan8990 | robbles: no, they should not include duplicate hostnames |
| 23:04.49 | Titan8990 | robbles: actually, looking at my server I have hostname and the FQDN set for the external IP and simply "localhost" for the loopback |
| 23:05.01 | Titan8990 | robbles: that might not be proper, but I know my network services not have any issues resolving my fqdn |
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| 23:05.27 | robbles | Titan8990: thanks. having lots of fqdn trouble here with puppet clients complaining about invalid hostname |
| 23:05.50 | Titan8990 | robbles: maybe puppet wants to resolve a PTR record? |
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| 23:06.02 | drasko | Titan8990, you said if I do not install Pyhon in /usr/local that I might break Debian. But /usr/local/bin comes right after ~/bin in my PATH, so my default Python now becomes 2.6. Is this dangerous? |
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| 23:06.25 | robbles | Titan8990: not sure about that, I asked my NOC to remove the PTR record and I have to debug some more |
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| 23:06.52 | petemc | renga: what does hostname -f say ? |
| 23:06.57 | petemc | robbles: ^^^ |
| 23:06.58 | psi-jack | Say for example, FW1 has it's own private IP's, 172.16.0.2, 172.17.0.2, and 71.43.83.181 for DMZ, LAN, NET zones, and FW2 has 172.16.0.3, 172.17.0.3, 71.43.83.182. With keepalived running on both, both FW's would bring up 172.16.0.1, 172.17.0.1, and 71.43.83.180 to act as the gateways for DMZ, LAN, and NET. Is this correct? |
| 23:07.16 | Titan8990 | drasko: when you just type `python`, yes. but shebangs of scripts will either specify /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/env python (which will call /usr/bin/python) |
| 23:07.20 | psi-jack | Or would keepalived bring up those gateway IP's on the active node when another falls? |
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| 23:07.56 | Titan8990 | robbles: also, check /etc/mailname |
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| 23:08.11 | Titan8990 | robbles: that usually contains your FQDN, but I am not sure what all uses |
| 23:08.21 | drasko | Titan8990, thanks a lot |
| 23:08.28 | Titan8990 | drasko: np |
| 23:09.55 | Titan8990 | psi-jack: maybe there is a CARP port to linux? |
| 23:10.12 | psi-jack | There's UCARP, but I never liked CARP. |
| 23:10.29 | psi-jack | I would sooner just use heartbeat or cman, than CARP. ;) |
| 23:11.08 | Titan8990 | psi-jack: I don't know much about hardware redundancy. I will need to read up one of these days |
| 23:12.09 | robbles | Titan8990: thanks, didn't know about that file. I think I'm suffering from OpenSSL certificate-related problems |
| 23:12.56 | Titan8990 | robbles: ah, is the server identifying itself as something different than the cert is for? |
| 23:15.31 | robbles | Titan8990: not sure yet, have to play around with openssl client and see if I can debug certs. Or it might be a Ruby / facter problem |
| 23:16.04 | robbles | "facter fqdn" on the server doesn't show anything, but it works on the clients |
| 23:16.07 | robbles | which is odd... |
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| 23:17.47 | ToNisius | what would prvent my mouse from going back to my first screen when it moves to another screen. It still moves, but it can't move back to the other screen, like there is no link back to the original screen. Any ideas would be nice, using lenny i386 |
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| 23:19.23 | sylar | I am trying to set fail2ban for dovecot |
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| 23:20.18 | sylar | and testing with fail2ban-regex confile logfile work, but it doesn't work in reality, I don't see anything in fail2ban logs |
| 23:21.51 | sylar | anyone knows fail2ban? |
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| 23:22.11 | sylar | maybe it write failures to an other log file? |
| 23:22.46 | Titan8990 | sylar: you could check iptables, it should add reject rules for the offending IPs |
| 23:23.12 | sylar | Titan8990, I am the offending IP |
| 23:23.21 | sylar | Titan8990, since I test it |
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| 23:30.57 | sylar | activating DEBUG log level, I see the offending IP, but it should show in WARN according to the site. Bug? |
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| 23:35.20 | Devastator | Titan8990 sorry for the delay, so it would install "strange" packages even if I don't own the device? like bluetooth, wpasupplicant etc.? |
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| 23:37.18 | Titan8990 | Devastator: if you install metapackages, yes |
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| 23:38.52 | Devastator | Titan8990 how would I know if it's a metapackage? |
| 23:39.20 | Titan8990 | Devastator: often it says it in the description, or has no description at all |
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| 23:39.45 | Titan8990 | Devastator: aptitude show <package> to know for sure |
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| 23:40.16 | Devastator | Titan8990 funny thing is that those packages appeared after "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 23:40.57 | Titan8990 | Devastator: aptitude why <bluetooth> |
| 23:41.21 | Devastator | humm |
| 23:41.23 | Devastator | thanks! |
| 23:41.27 | Devastator | that makes sense.. |
| 23:41.38 | Titan8990 | Devastator: that also, could have been doing things with apt-get |
| 23:41.55 | Titan8990 | Devastator: why it was during the upgrade I mean |
| 23:42.05 | Devastator | no.. I don't use apt-get |
| 23:42.09 | Devastator | I trust aptitude more.. |
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| 23:44.07 | sylar | maybe there is no message up to a ban :? |
| 23:44.44 | Daramarak | Hi, I am quite fresh with linux. But I am setting up a server with debian here. And I have set up networking with the network manager. But this doestn't seem to start before i log in. And I need to be able to ssh in after boot, with no screen attached. Are there a easy way to acomplish this? |
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| 23:45.47 | Arrowmaster | Devastator: i found bluetooth stuff installed because of gnome, but /etc/default/bluetooth should let you disable the daemon from running |
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| 23:47.48 | Daramarak | I have tried googling this, but frankly I do not know what to search on. I tried debian network and boot, and debian network and init.d, an a lot of similar phrases. . |
| 23:48.31 | Arrowmaster | Daramarak: why does your 'server' even have networkmanager? |
| 23:49.16 | Arrowmaster | networkmanager is more for gui configuration and servers dont tend to have a gui installed |
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| 23:50.45 | jhutchins | Daramarak: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
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| 23:50.50 | xand | Daramarak: I would not use network manager. |
| 23:51.02 | xand | Daramarak: uninstall it, then read the interfaces man page |
| 23:51.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Daramarak: you remove network manager and you configure your network |
| 23:51.36 | Arrowmaster | see everybody hates networkmanager |
| 23:51.59 | jhutchins | Ease up guys, it's not obvious how you do it manually. |
| 23:52.16 | jhutchins | It's different from other distributions too. |
| 23:52.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins: removing -mangler is still the thing to do :) |
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| 23:52.27 | xand | you read the interfaces man page |
| 23:52.38 | jhutchins | Kamping_Kaiser: It's unnecessary and pretty much irrelevant. |
| 23:52.51 | themill | Daramarak: network-manager is not designed to do that for you (removing it is unnecessary but if you're not going to use it you might want to) |
| 23:52.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins: on a server? hardly |
| 23:52.56 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins: it is? i didnt think /etc/network/interfaces varried between distros |
| 23:53.17 | jhutchins | xand: Knowing that the interfaces man page exists and describes how to configure NETWORK interfaces is not obvious unless you already know debian. |
| 23:53.20 | themill | Arrowmaster: many distros don't use that file at all |
| 23:53.22 | xand | network manager interferes with stuff defined in /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 23:53.30 | xand | -s |
| 23:53.32 | jhutchins | Arrowmaster: Doesn't even exist in the RedHat tree. |
| 23:53.41 | xand | they use other files. |
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| 23:53.50 | xand | network config is not standard between distros |
| 23:53.57 | jhutchins | xand: From everything I've read, in debian it doesn't interfere at all. |
| 23:53.59 | Arrowmaster | they still use ifupdown though? |
| 23:54.08 | xand | jhutchins: it does |
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| 23:54.16 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins: networkmanger does interfere |
| 23:54.24 | jhutchins | xand: interfaces set manually in interfaces are left alone. |
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| 23:54.33 | xand | jhutchins: they aren't |
| 23:54.35 | jhutchins | xand: Perhaps this is new behavior that wasn't obvious to you? |
| 23:54.38 | themill | xand: are here |
| 23:54.48 | Daramara` | I am sorry, I dropped out there. My network card is pure crap. |
| 23:54.55 | Arrowmaster | and then networkmanager thinks you arent connected to a network and any apps that use networkmanager refuse to work, like pidgin |
| 23:55.08 | jhutchins | xand: Behaves as documented on my etch systems. |
| 23:55.14 | xand | I would only have it installed on a laptop |
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| 23:55.40 | Daramara` | Arrõwmaster: I use gui because that is what I know from before. This is my first linux server setup, so go easy on me. |
| 23:55.51 | jhutchins | Daramara`: You can configure things in /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces for how. |
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| 23:56.08 | jhutchins | I would think pidgin would be an unlikely concern on a server. |
| 23:56.21 | Arrowmaster | was only an example |
| 23:56.30 | jhutchins | Daramarak: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
| 23:56.56 | xand | the main problems I had were on a system where I want the network card up, but without IP configured |
| 23:56.57 | jhutchins | Arrowmaster: In fact, I would think server apps would be unlikely to consult networkmanager. |
| 23:57.01 | xand | network manager wouldn't have that :P |
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| 23:57.12 | xand | (the card was being used by virtualbox) |
| 23:57.27 | Daramara` | jhutchins: Ok, I have used /etc/network/interfaces slightly before. So what you say is that Network manager doesn't play nicly with other configurations? Should I disable it? |
| 23:58.07 | jhutchins | Daramara`: Servers are traditionally administered via text console, and you'll get flack from console purists (including me) for relying on the gui instead of finding out how to do it via console, but you'll learn eventually. |
| 23:58.23 | jhutchins | Daramara`: It is MUCH more powerful than that other GUI managed software. |
| 23:59.16 | jhutchins | Daramara`: You can delete it. Some desktop apps check with it before they look at the system, but it should ignore your configurations in interfaces. |
| 23:59.25 | Arrowmaster | my /etc/network/interfaces hasnt been touched since the installer created it, wonder why yours isnt working out of the box |
| 23:59.28 | Arrowmaster | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 23:59.31 | Arrowmaster | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:59.48 | jhutchins | Arrowmaster: On a SERVER? |
| 23:59.55 | Daramara` | Arrowmaster: I think it is because it is a wlan card. |
