| 00:00.05 | jhutchins | Arrowmaster: hotplug + dhcp on a SERVER? |
| 00:00.05 | Arrowmaster | meh i abuse dhcp to assign static leases |
| 00:00.20 | Arrowmaster | Daramara`: ah that explains it |
| 00:00.22 | jhutchins | Daramara`: You can configure wifi manually in interfaces |
| 00:00.39 | jhutchins | Daramara`: That way it comes up even if you don't launch the GUI. |
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| 00:00.52 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins: the hotplug was put there by the installer |
| 00:01.05 | Daramara` | Ok, on my openmoko phone I use wpa-supplicant. Is that supported here? |
| 00:01.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:01.27 | dondelelcaro | only if you're running Debian |
| 00:01.35 | Daramara` | I am on deb |
| 00:01.43 | dondelelcaro | then yes |
| 00:02.17 | Daramara` | Would it be enough to edit the supplicant file, for it to work before I login? |
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| 00:02.39 | jhutchins | !tell Daramara` about wifi |
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| 00:08.22 | Daramara` | Ok, I probably have enough info to start hacking, at least. Thanks for the help. |
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| 00:09.41 | Daramara` | And ill prob. loose the gui when I get the hang of it. My plan has been to use and administer it through ssh after all. |
| 00:10.21 | jhutchins | Daramara`: One of the great advantages of linux. |
| 00:10.39 | cast | gnu/linux* |
| 00:11.24 | jhutchins | cast: *nix |
| 00:12.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | never understood why people say *nix |
| 00:12.09 | Daramara` | jhutchins: Yes indeed. |
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| 00:13.18 | punkiedunkie | hey i am trying to fix my mbr |
| 00:13.29 | Daramara` | Kamping_Kaiser: because *n*x is kind of wierd, and the regex is to geeky :) |
| 00:13.36 | simonrvn | ok. let us know how that goes. |
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| 00:13.54 | punkiedunkie | I need to log into this hd to get some files, I think it has grub2 which failed ... |
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| 00:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Daramara`: but doesn't match anything but unix. |
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| 00:15.01 | Daramara` | Kamping_Kaiser: I know |
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| 00:15.58 | magicbronson | My installer is stuck at 1%. Is there some way to view a log of what it's doing? |
| 00:16.13 | punkiedunkie | I did mount -t ext2 /dev/sda2 /mnt and its saying no such file or directory |
| 00:16.18 | Daramara` | Kamping_Kaiser: we could imitate M$ and refer to it as "posix compliant" :) |
| 00:16.29 | peterrooney | magicbronson: <CRTL> <ALT> F4 |
| 00:16.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Daramara`: or just 'unix like'... ;) |
| 00:16.52 | peterrooney | magicbronson: <CRTL> <ALT> F1 get you back |
| 00:17.05 | magicbronson | peterrooney: thanks! |
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| 00:22.36 | punkiedunkie | I made a dir /blah |
| 00:22.41 | punkiedunkie | and now its saying no device |
| 00:22.52 | punkiedunkie | but ls /dev/sd* hows sda2 .. sda5 sda6 |
| 00:24.19 | punkiedunkie | *shows this keyboard sucks |
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| 00:25.22 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:25.28 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 00:25.45 | Psi-Jack | In Debian, if I wanted to rename eth0 to eth2, and eth2 to eth0, how would I do this? |
| 00:26.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Psi-Jack: modify the udev rules in /etc probably |
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| 00:27.01 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, there also seems to be an ifrename package too. ;) |
| 00:27.04 | Tramp | !z25 > Psi-Jack |
| 00:27.12 | Tramp | !z25 |
| 00:27.12 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze). If you want the mappings to change, edit this file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 00:27.12 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.16 | Tramp | different bot ... |
| 00:27.23 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:27.29 | devin_ | anyone using debian squeeze having issues with pidgin?? |
| 00:27.53 | Psi-Jack | Cool. ifrename would also do it a little bit easier, perhaps? |
| 00:28.00 | punkiedunkie | ahh now it works, had to detect disks |
| 00:28.04 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: yeah, don't use ifrename |
| 00:28.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't know wether ifrename supports udev |
| 00:28.09 | Psi-Jack | No? |
| 00:28.31 | Psi-Jack | Ahhh I see. |
| 00:28.45 | Psi-Jack | the udev rules already presently have the devices listed and their NAME to be, which is convenient. |
| 00:28.53 | jelly-home | it's a remnant of times old |
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| 00:29.28 | Psi-Jack | Heh, well, heck. remnants of times old, Debian still uses a lot of that. :p |
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| 00:29.39 | Psi-Jack | Still using ifconfig, instead of iproute2 to setup IP's and all. |
| 00:29.41 | jelly-home | nooo... :-) |
| 00:29.55 | jelly-home | will be switching to iproute2 any decade now |
| 00:30.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 00:30.07 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:30.14 | Psi-Jack | I'm STILL waiting! |
| 00:30.16 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:30.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | ooh. iproute provides arpd |
| 00:30.27 | Psi-Jack | Yes, it does. |
| 00:30.37 | jelly-home | there's an ifupdown version in experimental... untouched since 2005 |
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| 00:30.46 | Psi-Jack | Lovely. |
| 00:30.55 | Psi-Jack | untouched for 5 years. |
| 00:31.05 | Psi-Jack | Yet still using 8+ year old tools. :p |
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| 00:31.10 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: waiting for YOUUUUU |
| 00:31.20 | stuckey | Is tearing normal with x264 playback with nvidia? |
| 00:31.38 | jelly-home | stuckey: vdpau assisted playback? |
| 00:31.40 | Psi-Jack | stuckey: Describe this "tearing" thing? |
| 00:31.49 | Tramp | yeah. ifconfig is deprecated for a decade ... and will remain like that for a decade to come, celebrating 20 years of deprecation |
| 00:31.59 | zinx | stuckey: it is if you have sync to vertical blank off, or if you're using a compositing manager that doesn't have it turned on |
| 00:32.11 | simonrvn | Tramp: \o/ |
| 00:32.12 | stuckey | jelly-home: how do I tell if I have vdpau? what's vdpau? |
| 00:32.20 | jelly-home | stuckey: you don't then :-) |
| 00:32.28 | jelly-home | !vdpau |
| 00:32.28 | Psi-Jack | Tramp: Heh, so sadly true. |
| 00:32.32 | stuckey | Psi-Jack: like, it's drawing it line by line, and it's a bit too slow. |
| 00:32.33 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 00:32.40 | simonrvn | waits for his slow box to finish python-support trigger ... |
| 00:32.48 | Psi-Jack | stuckey: Oh, well, then. No. It's not "normal" by any means. |
| 00:33.09 | Tramp | that nick change improved a lot |
| 00:33.13 | Psi-Jack | Why would people use it if it were that horrid? ;) |
| 00:33.21 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:33.25 | jelly-home | stuckey: it's nvidia's library/api used for offload of video decoding, among other things. mplayer has some support |
| 00:33.27 | devin_ | I thought etch-sid were suppose to be bleeding edge? |
| 00:33.39 | stuckey | jelly-home: how do I get vdpau support? |
| 00:34.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | devin_: o_0 |
| 00:34.08 | simonrvn | what's an "etch-sid" ? |
| 00:34.45 | jelly-home | stuckey: you'd probably install bleeding edge mplayer; perhaps the one from debian-multimedia sid or squeeze repo is new enough |
| 00:34.49 | punkiedunkie | heh ok I can just reinstall linux ok ... this is good |
| 00:35.06 | Psi-Jack | This "configuring apt" part of installing Debian for some odd reason, is taking for effing ever. |
| 00:35.07 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:35.12 | devin_ | good question.. perhaps good may know? |
| 00:35.18 | stuckey | jelly-home: I have mplayer from sid |
| 00:35.28 | Psi-Jack | Please wait... (until you are old, grey, wrinkley, and beyond help) |
| 00:36.12 | jelly-home | stuckey: and... is something vdpau-related present in its vo list? |
| 00:36.41 | stuckey | jelly-home: how do I list vo? |
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| 00:37.10 | jelly-home | stuckey: that's a rtfm. have a freebie: mplayer -vo help |
| 00:37.23 | punkiedunkie | tanks to 9.7 gb swap |
| 00:37.28 | punkiedunkie | or resize part |
| 00:37.39 | stuckey | jelly-home: nothing vdpau-related present |
| 00:37.59 | jelly-home | stuckey: are you sure you have mplayer from d-m? |
| 00:38.28 | stuckey | jelly-home: hmm... maybe I don't. I have dmm pinned lower than regular -- how can I install from dmm? with -t? |
| 00:38.35 | Psi-Jack | OMG! The progress bar jumped... A few pixels... *dies* |
| 00:40.04 | stuckey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.54 | Psi-Jack | Oh... This must've been the Debian netinst installation CD.. No wonder it took so long? |
| 00:40.56 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 00:41.17 | punkiedunkie | whats a good console based email client for debian that works with google ? |
| 00:41.20 | punkiedunkie | gmail |
| 00:41.21 | jelly-home | stuckey: it's pretty obvious, isn't it |
| 00:41.26 | Psi-Jack | punkiedunkie: mutt |
| 00:41.49 | Psi-Jack | punkiedunkie: And it's not debian-specific. |
| 00:42.08 | jelly-home | stuckey: dmm mplayer has a 1: epoch, Debian's has 0: (invisibl) epoch |
| 00:42.16 | punkiedunkie | Psi-Jack: ok |
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| 00:42.52 | stuckey | jelly-home: i still don't have vdpau though |
| 00:43.30 | jelly-home | stuckey: afer installing the right one? |
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| 00:45.14 | stuckey | jelly-home: installing which right what? |
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| 00:51.33 | stuckey | Anyone know how to get vdpau support? |
| 00:52.09 | jelly-home | stuckey: have you installed mplayer from dmm? |
| 00:52.16 | stuckey | jelly-home: yes |
| 00:52.23 | jelly-home | stuckey: and? |
| 00:52.28 | stuckey | jelly-home: no vdpau |
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| 00:54.19 | jelly-home | stuckey: that's weird, my vo help lists "vdpauVDPAU with X11" among other things |
| 00:54.23 | stuckey | jelly-home: Or maybe I didn't install it from dmm, since I don't know how. |
| 00:55.17 | stuckey | How do I install from Dmm if I have apt-pinning? |
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| 00:56.12 | jelly-home | remove the pinning, or pin Package: mplayer from dmm higher |
| 00:56.18 | stuckey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.29 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to read that? |
| 00:56.37 | jelly-home | stuckey: compare the Installed: version with what's available in the repos. |
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| 00:57.01 | stuckey | I don't want to have to do that. |
| 00:57.10 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:57.11 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 00:57.24 | hideo | jelly-home: a bit offtopic, why do I see the "IvdpauIVDPAU with X11" in your message instead of tabs? |
| 00:57.25 | jelly-home | stuckey: I'm just telling you how to read apt-cache policy output |
| 00:57.44 | stuckey | aptitude knows where it comes from -- why can't it tell me? |
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| 00:58.19 | jelly-home | stuckey: it can't tell you where the _currently installed_ one came from |
| 00:58.37 | stuckey | jelly-home: I did aptitude -t install debian-multimedia mplayer |
| 00:58.41 | stuckey | so now I have to have dmm version |
| 00:58.44 | stuckey | Right? |
| 00:58.48 | hideo | no... |
| 00:58.49 | jelly-home | left |
| 00:59.00 | hideo | stuckey: you have to put dmm in your sources.list |
| 00:59.07 | hideo | stuckey: ask dpkg about dmm |
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| 00:59.09 | jelly-home | hideo: he already has it |
| 00:59.17 | hideo | oh |
| 00:59.26 | jelly-home | hideo: read his apt-cache policy paste |
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| 01:00.04 | jelly-home | stuckey: well, fix your pinning. Or use aptitude install foo=version syntax |
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| 01:00.25 | stuckey | jelly-home: There isn't anything wrong with my pinning. |
| 01:00.54 | jelly-home | stuckey: if you want to have mplayer from dmm, there obviously is |
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| 01:01.09 | hideo | stuckey: ah your priorities for dmm is low |
| 01:01.36 | stuckey | I don't understand |
| 01:01.47 | hideo | stuckey: man apt_preferences |
| 01:02.23 | hideo | stuckey: your priorities for mplayer in dmm is 200, lower than the 500 for the debian version, therefore apt will prefer the debian version |
| 01:02.52 | stuckey | hideo: I want it to never install stuff from outside the debian version unless I say to |
| 01:03.05 | stuckey | hideo: Can you tell me how I can accomplish this please? |
| 01:03.12 | hideo | oh, nvm I thought you wanted the dmm version of mplayer |
| 01:03.21 | stuckey | wants the dmm version of mplayer. |
| 01:03.25 | stuckey | no wait |
| 01:03.36 | stuckey | I want my video output to not look like shit by default |
| 01:03.40 | jelly-home | [01:59] <jelly-home> stuckey: well, fix your pinning. Or use aptitude install foo=version syntax |
| 01:03.50 | stuckey | Someone here said something about mplayer dmm. |
| 01:04.21 | stuckey | If VDPAU is something my card supports, and it will make things work better, than I would like to have it enabled, naturally. |
| 01:04.31 | hideo | stuckey: fix your pinning like jelly-home said, read man apt_preferences for how to |
| 01:04.45 | jelly-home | (or that other part of the line) |
| 01:04.55 | stuckey | hideo: There isn't anything wrong with my apt pinning. |
| 01:05.06 | stuckey | I've installed the version from dmm with "-t debian-multimedia" |
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| 01:05.20 | Mitar | hi, how can I found out from a script if my script is running on i386 or amd64 platform? |
| 01:05.35 | jelly-home | stuckey: what version is the mplayer current package? |
| 01:05.58 | stuckey | 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1+b1 |
| 01:06.10 | jelly-home | stuckey: that's from Debian, not dmm |
| 01:06.25 | hideo | Mitar: I dunno, maybe check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:06.31 | stuckey | jelly-home: Why is that installed? |
| 01:06.33 | jelly-home | [01:41] <jelly-home> stuckey: dmm mplayer has a 1: epoch, Debian's has 0: (invisibl) epoch |
| 01:06.42 | stuckey | I don't understand what you mean there. |
| 01:06.48 | stuckey | epochs? |
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| 01:07.16 | jelly-home | stuckey: take a good look at apt-cache policy mplayer output, the lines after Version table: |
| 01:07.25 | jelly-home | !tell stuckey about epoch |
| 01:07.44 | jelly-home | sorry, |
| 01:07.48 | jelly-home | !tell stuckey about version epoch |
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| 01:08.05 | stuckey | Okay so you're sure that I've the wrong epoch. |
| 01:08.37 | jelly-home | there is no 1: epoch in your installed version |
| 01:08.47 | jelly-home | therefore, that's not the dmm package |
| 01:08.53 | stuckey | okay how do I get the dmm package |
| 01:09.17 | jelly-home | stuckey: I told you twice how to get it. |
| 01:09.34 | jelly-home | [01:59] <jelly-home> stuckey: well, fix your pinning. Or use aptitude install foo=version syntax |
| 01:09.34 | Mitar | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 01:09.34 | dpkg | geary |
| 01:09.48 | stuckey | jelly-home: You said fix the apt-pinning. |
| 01:09.52 | stuckey | What is wrong with my apt-pinning? |
| 01:10.17 | jelly-home | stuckey: are you unable to read the second sentence in the pasted line? |
| 01:10.27 | zots | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 01:10.43 | zots | that link helped me quite a bit |
| 01:10.47 | stuckey | jelly-home: Eh, if you know what's wrong with it you can tell me, and then I can change it. Otherwise maybe it's something else that is the problem. |
| 01:11.06 | jelly-home | stuckey: you've configured it so mplayer won't get installed from dmm. |
| 01:11.27 | jelly-home | stuckey: so, pin mplayer from dmm higher than mplayer from debian. |
| 01:11.35 | stuckey | I remember specifically spending time reading throught all of this figuring out how to configure this how I wanted it. |
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| 01:12.06 | hideo | well apparently you didn't want mplayer from dmm |
| 01:12.09 | jelly-home | stuckey: then use the second option |
| 01:12.45 | stuckey | It was configured so that no package would be installed from the debian multimedia repository unless it was specifically said, with the addition of the "-t debian-multimedia" option. This way one can keep a system that is stable, or testing, or unstable, or whatever... and it doesn't get mixed up. I think I've read that doing this is really important, isn't it? |
| 01:12.56 | stuckey | Like, if you get stuff coming from different repositories then it can break shit, right? |
| 01:12.59 | jelly-home | gives up |
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| 01:13.28 | hideo | haha, no one reads jelly's second part |
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| 01:14.23 | jelly-home | I won't spoonfeed him the damn command line, he can figure it out himself |
| 01:14.33 | stuckey | So I definitely didn't want to do that... but then, I needed stuff from dmm since debian doesn't include stuff for like, encoding movies, etc., And doing that's just fun so I added dmm to my sources... and when I wanted to install something I'd do vim /etc/apt/sources.list... then edit the little "#" out, and then "aptitude update" and then "aptitude install x" where x was the package I wanted, and then I'd have to go through the reverse |
| 01:15.17 | jelly-home | stuckey: the solution is to configure the pinning to prefer only those packages from dmm that you _want_ to get from dmm |
| 01:15.25 | stuckey | jelly-home: Are you sure I can't configure (or that I haven't already) it so that I can just do the -t dmm package |
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| 01:16.04 | jelly-home | stuckey: I don't know how -t works. I just see it doesn't work the way you thought it did, |
| 01:16.04 | stuckey | Oh |
| 01:16.19 | stuckey | It would be nice if -t worked the way I thought it did. |
| 01:16.26 | stuckey | How do I say that I want mplayer from dmm then? |
| 01:17.07 | hideo | uh... he gave you the answer multiple times |
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| 01:17.46 | jelly-home | stuckey: Pinning Package: mplayer to version 1:* is one possibility |
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| 01:18.03 | jelly-home | (and a priority higher than sid) |
| 01:18.30 | stuckey | What else? |
| 01:18.46 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:18.46 | hideo | rtfm? |
| 01:19.08 | jelly-home | dunno, a small coke for me and for hideo whatever he's drinking |
| 01:19.25 | hideo | coffee |
| 01:19.32 | jelly-home | !coffee hideo |
| 01:19.32 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for hideo, courtesy of jelly-home |
| 01:19.43 | hideo | yummm |
| 01:19.49 | robbles | lastlog ssb |
| 01:19.51 | hideo | gracias |
| 01:19.52 | robbles | sorry |
| 01:19.59 | stuckey | I think I'll just post to the mailing list. |
| 01:20.07 | ranix | lol |
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| 01:20.18 | jelly-home | that's probably for the best |
| 01:20.23 | hideo | wtf dude |
| 01:20.51 | ranix | why not just leave dmm in the sources.list |
| 01:20.57 | ranix | and forget about it |
| 01:21.08 | ranix | do you not trust dmm? |
| 01:21.09 | stuckey | it breaks shit |
| 01:21.12 | stuckey | Nope |
| 01:21.13 | ranix | since when |
| 01:21.16 | stuckey | Last time I did that it broke shit |
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| 01:21.27 | stuckey | and I don't know how to fix it when shit breaks |
| 01:21.28 | jelly-home | then don't use it and forget about vdpau |
| 01:21.31 | ranix | I posit that correlation does not equal causation |
| 01:21.46 | ranix | and the fact that shit was broken and dmm was in your sources.list are corrolary |
| 01:21.55 | cast | then how do you explain the decline of pirates! |
| 01:22.06 | ranix | cast: touche, sir, you hast bested me |
| 01:22.06 | stuckey | ranix: didn't say it was causation... correlation is enough to be an agravation :) |
| 01:22.21 | hideo | well pirates don't get to see women much... |
| 01:22.42 | ranix | pirates are on the rise in Somalia and the Internet |
| 01:22.46 | stuckey | jelly-home: yeah but I want to use it |
| 01:23.24 | jelly-home | stuckey: it breaks shit |
| 01:23.44 | ranix | judd: versions shit |
| 01:23.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'shit' was found. |
| 01:23.47 | hideo | well you have a dilemma, you either read apt_preferences and come up with a good way to pin it... or you don't use it |
| 01:23.47 | stuckey | jelly-home: someone said you can do something called "apt-pinning" and if you do, shit won't break |
| 01:23.54 | ranix | judd: why isn't shit in lenny |
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| 01:24.11 | ranix | !why isn't shit in lenny |
| 01:24.24 | jelly-home | stuckey: yeah, unfortunately you don't want to do it correctly to achieve one of your goals |
| 01:24.25 | ranix | ah well, I can never remember how to do that |
| 01:24.26 | nervousTwitch | because its all in squeeze |
| 01:24.42 | jelly-home | ranix: "why is shit not in squeeze" |
| 01:24.49 | ranix | !why is shit not in squeeze |
| 01:24.49 | dpkg | ranix: what are you talking about? |
| 01:24.54 | stuckey | jelly-home: I do, how do I do it correctly? |
| 01:24.55 | jelly-home | sorry, testing |
| 01:24.57 | ranix | judd: why is shit not in squeeze |
| 01:24.59 | stuckey | I'm all about doing this correctly. |
| 01:25.01 | ranix | blast |
| 01:25.02 | robbles | stuckey: shit will break if you mix stable with sid/squeeze |
| 01:25.04 | ranix | is out |
| 01:25.10 | jelly-home | stuckey: Pinning Package: mplayer to version 1:* is one possibility |
| 01:25.29 | dark | http://paste.debian.net/63904/ how can I recover from this? |
| 01:25.47 | dark | debian-transmission seems to be unrelated to zsnes |
| 01:25.53 | dark | i'm on debian testing |
| 01:26.15 | nervousTwitch | i will never do another update without reading all change logs |
| 01:26.18 | jelly-home | stuckey: see, I can't really explain it more clearly unless I paste the actual lines you need to put in /e/a/preferences, and I refuse to spoonfeed 100% complete answers to users. |
| 01:26.48 | hideo | dark: first off, install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:27.07 | dark | yes, but do you think this is related? |
| 01:27.19 | dark | (I uninstalled due to space constraints, i'm on a usb pen drive only) |
| 01:27.38 | jelly-home | stuckey: your option other than using pinning, is to use aptitude's syntax for explicitely installing a specific version of a package, aptitude install packagename=version |
| 01:27.48 | punkiedunkie | Psi-Jack : mutt is hard to use |
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| 01:28.00 | punkiedunkie | and setup |
| 01:28.02 | Psi-Jack- | punkiedunkie: I didn't say it was easy, did I? |
| 01:28.20 | Saar | anyone know how to set a umask with sftp, which is not a hack? |
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| 01:28.43 | Psi-Jack- | may loose connection momentarily... |
| 01:28.50 | cast | punkiedunkie: guess you're not a vi fan, either :) |
| 01:29.22 | Titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 01:29.22 | dpkg | emacs bites |
| 01:29.25 | jelly-home | punkiedunkie: you might prefer alpine |
| 01:29.27 | punkiedunkie | cast: I am ... but its hard to setup |
| 01:29.32 | hideo | you can pry mutt from my cold dead hands |
| 01:29.33 | Titan8990 | dpkg: not it doesn't! |
| 01:29.33 | dpkg | Titan8990: are you using Windows? |
| 01:29.36 | dark | aptitude install -f zsnes also don't work.. what is the command for asking apt to 'fix' things? |
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| 01:29.57 | Titan8990 | dark: show us your output |
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| 01:30.12 | jelly-home | dark: merely "aptitude -f install", no package names afterwards |
| 01:30.13 | Psi-Jack- | Hmm |
| 01:30.17 | dark | Titan8990, http://paste.debian.net/63904/ simply this |
| 01:30.19 | dark | hm |
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| 01:30.45 | Titan8990 | syntax error: unknown user 'debian-transmission' in statoverride file |
| 01:30.49 | hideo | dark: may be back up /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride and then do "dpkg-statoverride --force --update" |
| 01:30.50 | Titan8990 | thats a new one for me |
| 01:30.56 | dark | aptitude -f install is trying to mess with A LOT of packages o.o |
| 01:31.24 | jelly-home | !start a mua war |
| 01:31.24 | dpkg | mutt blows |
| 01:31.32 | dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.46 | hideo | dark: disregard what I said |
| 01:31.53 | jelly-home | dark: don't run it if it feels unsafe |
| 01:31.54 | Titan8990 | dark: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569238 |
| 01:32.11 | jelly-home | dark: "apt-get -f install" might be less intrusive |
| 01:32.32 | Titan8990 | judd: versions transmission |
| 01:32.33 | jelly-home | dark: "dpkg --configure -a" will be even less intrusive |
| 01:32.33 | judd | transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1; lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 1.91-1; squeeze: 1.91-1 |
| 01:33.14 | dark | Titan8990, interesting, this bug was reported by myself -- i thought that the bug was significantly different, but it is the same.. |
| 01:33.14 | robbles | does the BTS email you back when your bug recieves a reply? |
| 01:33.24 | jelly-home | robbles: yes |
| 01:33.42 | robbles | cool, I can stop staring at the bug page now |
| 01:33.48 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 01:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: only ifyou set 'cc' in reportbugrc |
| 01:37.22 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: "your bug" |
| 01:37.42 | jelly-home | the reporter gets replies by default |
| 01:38.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: really? i thought submitter had to be cc'd by default - guess i can stop cc'ing some people ;o |
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| 01:39.31 | jelly-home | I get mails for my bugs anyway, dun care 'bout other people's bugs |
| 01:39.55 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html , also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 01:47.59 | dark | hideo, dpkg-statoverride --force --update says this is a syntax error. but i just removed the offending lines in /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride and now i can install packages =) |
| 01:48.32 | hideo | dark: yes, that command I gave you doesn't do anything =) |
| 01:48.44 | dark | aptitude -f install will still try to mess with 200mb+ of packages, i have absolutely no idea why it does not like me |
| 01:48.56 | dark | and i will let the system in the current state |
| 01:49.03 | hideo | dark: are you mixing releases? |
| 01:49.07 | dark | no |
| 01:49.09 | dark | well hmm |
| 01:49.16 | dark | i have maybe 1 or 2 packages from sid |
| 01:49.21 | dark | i don't remember which |
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| 01:49.32 | dark | maybe the versions i am using are already in testing |
| 01:49.32 | hideo | not some libs I hope |
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| 01:50.28 | dark | well i needed a newer package, and had 2 choices, aptitude -t sid install .. or compiling. but i don't remember exactly which |
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| 01:50.49 | dark | i use debian-based systems (well, ubuntu, and some others) but i don't know much about dpkg commands |
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| 01:50.56 | dark | if i knew, my life would be easier :) |
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| 01:52.16 | hideo | sounds like you're mixing ubuntu and debian |
| 01:52.20 | dark | from time to time i gather some random trivia here (like a command for showing the largest packages, that will use.. dpkg-query i think), but i got more deep knowledge with the debian packaging system |
| 01:52.25 | hideo | not good if that's the case |
| 01:52.29 | dark | no i'm not |
| 01:52.37 | dark | i used ubuntu for some years |
| 01:52.45 | dark | and used a debian cdd before that |
| 01:52.58 | hideo | ah I see, I misunderstood |
| 01:53.11 | dark | and a knoppix variant before that, so i am using apt-get ever since i'm using linux |
| 01:53.55 | dark | it was time sufficient to learn some sed, awk.. but not the mysterious dpkg :P |
| 01:53.57 | hideo | I'm still using apt-get, even though the general consensus today is to use aptitude |
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| 01:54.21 | cast | wonders if thats something to be proud of |
| 01:54.39 | dark | no, i mix sometimes, but aptitude saved the system sometimes here |
| 01:54.40 | waltman | anyone know if smarden.org is dead? |
| 01:54.45 | hideo | who said anyone was proud of anything? |
| 01:54.49 | dark | cast, that's what? |
| 01:55.12 | Saar | what octal number for chmod should I use to change ownership for owner and group to rw, rest to r and NOT touch x permissions if its a directory? |
| 01:55.13 | dark | i got no more* |
| 01:55.45 | jelly-home | waltman: well, http://smarden.org/ works but I'm not sure if that's what you asked |
| 01:55.47 | hideo | Saar: chmod 774 ? |
| 01:56.06 | dark | if you don't want to touch x permissions, i guess you don't want octal modes Saar |
| 01:56.23 | Saar | uh :( |
| 01:56.25 | Saar | oh |
| 01:56.27 | Saar | bummer |
| 01:56.29 | hideo | Saar: you may have to do a find -type d and do chmod 774 ; then find -type f and chmod 664 |
| 01:56.39 | Saar | cause sftp's chmod only allows octal |
| 01:57.13 | jelly-home | Saar: what about any setgid, sticky, or setuid bits? |
| 01:57.14 | waltman | jelly-home: actually that times out for me |
| 01:57.19 | hideo | Saar: find -type d -exec chmod 774 ; find -type f -exec chmod 664 |
| 01:57.26 | dark | and you want to do it recursively? |
| 01:57.27 | Saar | sftp's funcationality is somewhat affected because it by default saves files with owner's rw and that's it |
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| 01:57.47 | Saar | that would work yes, in a real shell, not ins ftp |
| 01:57.52 | Saar | sftp |
| 01:58.02 | dark | it would be hmm find -type d -exec chmod -v 774 '{}' ';' |
| 01:58.02 | waltman | hmm, maybe it's just out of date... |
| 01:58.07 | jelly-home | waltman: wfm; resolves to 109.68.224.7 |
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| 01:58.25 | hideo | yah, what dark said, forgive me |
| 01:58.25 | dark | Saar, do this sftp has a stat too? |
| 01:58.45 | jelly-home | Saar: heh, use sshfs to mount it and then chmod away :-) |
| 01:59.37 | waltman | I've got "deb http://smarden.org/pape/Debian sarge unofficial pape" but I'm suddenly realizing that sarge is pretty damn old and maybe they just stopped supporting it. |
| 01:59.48 | waltman | er, in my sources.list, of course |
| 01:59.54 | hideo | it's damn old indeed |
| 01:59.58 | jelly-home | waltman: qmail? |
| 02:00.13 | jelly-home | waltman: what packages are you getting from there? |
| 02:00.26 | waltman | yeah |
| 02:00.32 | waltman | maybe I'm asking in the wrong place |
| 02:00.45 | Saar | jelly-home: well uh it's something i set up for someone to upload web files |
| 02:00.47 | waltman | I believe it's just man pages |
| 02:00.59 | Saar | dark: no |
| 02:01.22 | Saar | actually if the original file has rw-rw-r when you upload it preserves that |
| 02:01.47 | jelly-home | Saar: sadly I know not of a way to set the default umask for sftp sessions. Perhaps man sshd_config will be helpful |
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| 02:02.12 | waltman | yeah, I seem to have added that line in 2002 :) |
| 02:02.28 | jelly-home | Saar: or you could set up a cron job on that remote machine to chmod the files regularly |
| 02:03.51 | hideo | heh, I chattr +i my ~/.macromedia setting file and set a cron job to regularly rm -rf ~/.macromedia |
| 02:03.58 | waltman | no, I changed it from sarge to lenny but 'aptitude update' is still timing out |
| 02:04.01 | hideo | fuck flash cookies |
| 02:04.57 | jelly-home | $DEITY |
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| 02:23.35 | rhoyerboat | im having a pretty strange problem on a fresh debian-testing installation, anyone ever attempt to run "passwd" and get a "passwd: System error" message? |
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| 02:32.18 | bts3685 | refresh my memory. during a debian install it gives you a set of packages based on function (web server, print server, desktop, etc.). how do i select/install one of those sets /after/ the install is completed, i.e. within the live system? |
| 02:32.27 | bts3685 | iirc it's a dpkg command |
| 02:33.16 | smacnay | I am trying to get my gdm on machine one to log into a gdm session on machine 2 on the lan. Anyone done this? |
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| 02:34.01 | bts3685 | smacnay: written for centos but should work: http://ayaz.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/remote-x-login-gdm-xdmcp-xmins-oh-my/ |
| 02:34.05 | rhoyerboat | i wasn't aware there was a specific method for "web-server" but using dpkg install $apache-http ($for whatever the command is) (to my knowledge) is the same as having sepected web server |
| 02:34.10 | smacnay | bts3685, I think there is an option at the bottom of the "Aptitude" panel... under "Tasks". |
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| 02:34.29 | rhoyerboat | dpkg install nfs being file server |
| 02:34.29 | dpkg | rhoyerboat: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:34.32 | smacnay | bts3685, thank you... much appreciated. |
| 02:34.50 | bts3685 | smacnay: is it there on the ncurses interface? headless. :) but that sounds familiar |
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| 02:35.35 | bts3685 | rhoyerboat: thx.. trying to pull in a bunch of php relating things at once but not using apache2. i'll try that if the tasks thing isn't thre on aptitude's ncurses UI |
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| 02:36.05 | Taram | moin moin |
| 02:36.05 | bts3685 | AHA. it is there. thanks smacnay, rhoyerboat |
| 02:36.14 | bts3685 | have a good night, all |
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| 02:46.10 | man_in_shack | how would i go about turning on core dumps? |
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| 02:51.19 | cast | man_in_shack: you mean core files? |
| 02:51.56 | man_in_shack | difference being ... |
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| 02:55.12 | cast | in solaris, at least, a dump is when the kernel is dying and it dumps out chunks of memory to your swap partition, and core files are generated when a program receives a fatal error |
| 02:56.12 | rhoyerboat | right, but the koan of it lies in the ability of a failing computer to perform reliably ;) the core dump exists at all times, one may take a core dump without the kernel dying |
| 02:57.00 | man_in_shack | even in solaris, the message you get for the "core file" being generated is "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" |
| 02:57.17 | man_in_shack | s/Segmentation fault/actual error that caused the dump as needed/g |
| 02:58.10 | rhoyerboat | to answer your question, the extent of the core dump depends on compile-time kernel options, check out the help files in the kernel's make config, those manuals should get you on the right road |
| 02:58.35 | man_in_shack | that doesn't answer my question at all |
| 02:58.39 | rhoyerboat | haha |
| 02:58.55 | rhoyerboat | if only everyone could know everything |
| 02:59.36 | cast | i'm still confused |
| 02:59.57 | cast | so is the kernel assploding or is it something in userspace? |
| 03:00.07 | man_in_shack | "core dump" is what you get when an application dies unexpectedly (e.g., as caused by a segmentation fault) and, with debugging symbols, can be interpreted by a tool by gdb to tell you what in your code broke |
| 03:00.32 | man_in_shack | as evidenced by the message: "Segmentation fault (core dumped)", which creates a core file in the current directory |
| 03:00.45 | rhoyerboat | right but you "always" get a core dump when a program crashes, so "enabling core dumps" must refer to the extra information a kernel can attempt to gather in that situation, via compile time options |
| 03:00.57 | man_in_shack | rhoyerboat, no you don't |
| 03:01.07 | rhoyerboat | okay |
| 03:01.16 | rhoyerboat | run your program in a debugger then |
| 03:01.32 | man_in_shack | unsuitable for my purposes or i would be doing that |
| 03:01.35 | rhoyerboat | kk |
| 03:01.41 | rhoyerboat | reverting to learning then |
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| 03:01.52 | man_in_shack | as it turns out, the correct answer is ulimit -c |
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| 03:02.07 | cast | did you find it via google, like http://www.akadia.com/services/ora_enable_core.html |
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| 03:02.13 | man_in_shack | ulimit -c 0 turns off core dumps. when application segfaults, you don't get the "(core dumped)" message |
| 03:02.16 | cast | thats some good work there! |
| 03:02.28 | cast | so how do i do crash dumps |
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| 03:15.52 | dracflamloc | using apt-get, how can i get a list of files a package isntalls? |
| 03:16.25 | liable | dracflamloc: dpkg -L package (only works for installed packages) |
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| 03:17.38 | Tramp | !tell dracflamloc -about installed |
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| 03:18.00 | Tramp | dracflamloc: ah - sorry. misread |
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| 03:19.26 | Tramp | !tell dracflamloc -about apt-file |
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| 03:22.26 | iloveyou | what groups do I need to be in to mount stuff? |
| 03:23.07 | \amethyst | iloveyou: for USB sticks etc, plugdev. |
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| 03:24.10 | \amethyst | (this is for mounting through hal, e.g. with pmount or gnome-volume-manager; for the 'mount' program, you must be root, or the fs must be listed in fstab with the 'users' options) |
| 03:24.34 | iloveyou | \amethyst: what about for partitions on a drive connected through sata? |
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| 03:25.37 | \amethyst | iloveyou: you must be root (not just in the root group); or the partitions must be listed in fstab with the 'user' or 'users' option |
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| 03:35.46 | Intense | hello |
| 03:37.26 | Intense | i wanted to change my $PS1 so i write the code into my bash_mystuff and sourced it from the end of /etc/bash.bashrc and all the stuff is working only the PS1 is still the same, but when i source the bash.bashrc it works, the prompts from bashmystuff gets set |
| 03:37.42 | Intense | where should i put those PS1 overrides? |
| 03:37.57 | dlynes | Is preseeding pretty much a black art in getting it to work reliably? |
| 03:38.03 | Intense | i also tried /etc/profile which had the same effect and im out of ideas |
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| 03:38.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Intense: try .bashrc? |
| 03:38.53 | Intense | Kamping_Kaiser: i"m"the only user so i would like it to have system wide |
| 03:39.32 | Intense | only user of the actuall machine, not only one user on the machine's sw :) |
| 03:40.44 | \amethyst | Intense: is your .bashrc overriding the PS1 setting? |
| 03:41.01 | \amethyst | Intense: or your .profile? |
| 03:41.15 | Intense | d'oh |
| 03:42.06 | Intense | i just installed the debian, did not expect the .bashrc to be created by default and did not check .. |
| 03:42.09 | Intense | thank you |
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| 03:44.43 | Internat | howdy all, i have a hdd thats on its way out.. i have a new one but its substancially bigger.. whats the best way to move everything to the new drive (root partition etc) should i just dd the partitions and resize2fs, or rsync=avp or something simular? |
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| 03:45.03 | tucemiux | why is pulseaudio so broken?!? |
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| 03:45.48 | tucemiux | am i the only one having problems with pulseaudio? |
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| 03:48.45 | tucemiux | anybody home? |
| 03:49.14 | f00li5h | just us chickens |
| 03:49.15 | Intense | nope |
| 03:49.21 | Intense | actually @ work |
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| 03:52.54 | Intense | do any of you guys have / in some revision controll system? |
| 03:54.41 | Intense | i do /etc in git and now im considering putting under the git every vital part of the system, it might be easy rollback if update b0rks something and i won't be able to afford taking time to fix it |
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| 03:58.31 | brbrbr | Intense contras 4 git in THAT context: 1. too heavy for personal usage 2. too big surface for attackers, thus [potential]security comprmise. |
| 03:58.56 | brbrbr | point is there are some other, backup solutions |
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| 04:00.20 | robbles | does git store permissions, acls, and the like? |
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| 04:01.23 | rudi_s_ | robbles: It can with the help of etckeeper. |
| 04:01.38 | Intense | robbles: not sure, but when i read about git it seemed pretty flexibile |
| 04:02.42 | Intense | brbrbr: i would say heavy |
| 04:03.03 | Intense | brbrbr: security issue .. depends on the actual realization |
| 04:03.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | brbrbr: too heavy? |
| 04:03.21 | Intense | brbrbr: true, i guess there is no need to have that stuff versioned |
| 04:03.51 | nervousTwitch | is there anyway to right click using gnome and select open terminal here? |
| 04:04.10 | rudi_s_ | brbrbr, Intense: There are possible security problems when you're using git stash with etckeeper as the permissions are not restored! But besides that I think it's a pretty good solution to keep /etc versioned. |
| 04:05.41 | nervousTwitch | i got it thanks |
| 04:06.06 | robbles | I should look into etckeeper. I use bzr on /etc manually now, and it's really time-consuming |
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| 04:06.36 | rudi_s_ | robbles: AFAIK you can use etckeeper with bzr as well, it supports more VCS. |
| 04:07.31 | robbles | nice |
| 04:07.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | robbles: etckeeper works fine with bzr, its just one config setting :) |
| 04:07.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | usesit everywhere |
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| 04:16.20 | brbrbr | maybe if/when git move towards this usage/coverge with other projects ... or after some git-derrivates/forks appear on horizon |
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| 04:16.36 | brbrbr | anyway as CVS replacement for teamwork, GIT are superb |
| 04:17.45 | brbrbr | currently more care about [nearly]comlete absence of easy-to-use and capable firewall and SELinux management tools in most distros[except Mandriva, maybe] |
| 04:18.15 | brbrbr | p.s. and lack of support of AppArmor at all, btw |
| 04:18.27 | tamran | can anyone tell me what the latest kernel version is in the debian 5.0 stable tree? It says the install comes with 2.6.26, which will work for me, but I'm curious about whether it will cause me trouble with upgrades and such |
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| 04:21.51 | robbles | tamran: latest is 2.26.2-2 |
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| 04:22.00 | robbles | well, for amd64, anyway. |
| 04:22.31 | dbbolton | i have an apple g4 that won't boot after i installed grub2. and i can't open the CD drive because the only eject button is on the keyboard. |
| 04:22.59 | robbles | dbbolton: doesn't the drive have a little pinhole for manual ejection? |
| 04:23.27 | brbrbr | tamran but you can get 2.6.29 from backports repository |
| 04:23.28 | tamran | thanks robbles |
| 04:23.29 | dbbolton | robbles: not that i saw. but i will look again |
| 04:24.01 | brbrbr | yep, sure. kernel.org still working as well as kernel FTP's :) |
| 04:24.03 | tamran | brbrbr: I don't know if I want that kernel, I've got one of those POS radeon xpress 200m vid cards |
| 04:24.46 | brbrbr | oh, framebuffer is not working on it ? or even VESA xorg ? |
| 04:25.09 | brbrbr | or you mean issues with ati-radeon/radeonhd driver ? |
| 04:25.24 | tamran | yeah, the binary driver |
| 04:25.40 | brbrbr | fglrx ? from ATi himself? |
| 04:25.48 | tamran | yeah, fglrx |
| 04:25.54 | brbrbr | its not support most recent kernels, as usual |
| 04:26.38 | tamran | so, if I wanted to install some newer software, is it a chore in debian? |
| 04:26.44 | brbrbr | because they can't. cause neligible HR resource put in Linux support at ATi. so they can do it "in time". its another point[aside many others]to support Open/Free drivers |
| 04:26.47 | dbbolton | there is no pinhole |
| 04:27.10 | tamran | like, say starting with stable and adding a few newer packages here and there? or do I have to enable whole repositories? |
| 04:27.30 | brbrbr | depend "what kind of[some newer software]?" answer |
| 04:27.50 | brbrbr | tamran of course not |
| 04:27.56 | brbrbr | imo, its better way |
| 04:27.59 | tamran | well, such as a few games like pioneers and maybe a few latex editors |
| 04:28.17 | brbrbr | rather than rushing tio unstable distros, such as Ubuntu, SidUx and others |
| 04:28.38 | tamran | I'm playing with ubuntu right now and it's OK |
| 04:28.43 | robbles | !tell tamran about ssb |
| 04:29.01 | brbrbr | as long as its not affect kernel, binutils/toolchain and xOrg-related stuff, in don't know how it can affect gaming) |
| 04:29.12 | tamran | but lots of other "bloat" I don'tthink I want ... although I hope to not have to constantly tinker to get everything working |
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| 04:30.12 | tamran | robbles: ahh, so I can build a toolchain pretty easily |
| 04:30.23 | tamran | robbles: that is probably the way to go then |
| 04:30.30 | brbrbr | ubuntu miss serious stuff, to help keep it working, as well as aproach itself. making most GNU'ish distro into Windows derrivative is road to Hell |
| 04:30.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | ubuntu sucks. |
| 04:30.49 | tamran | hehe, lol |
| 04:30.59 | brbrbr | sure. twice per hour. saw recently |
| 04:32.10 | brbrbr | another flaw is community. nobody want to feeback, test[aside Using crippled Sid] and patricipate in fixing/coding |
| 04:32.17 | brbrbr | they Consumers. "in short" |
| 04:32.18 | tamran | you know, I used to use gentoo on this very laptop years ago ... I had it tuned perfectly but had to install windows for work |
| 04:32.25 | robbles | I don't know about a desktop scenario, but for servers I would much rather use debian |
| 04:32.37 | Intense | tamran: why didnt you virtualize? |
| 04:32.37 | brbrbr | sure. or slac |
| 04:33.05 | tamran | Intense: well, I have vmware, but was getting kernel panics on fglrx |
| 04:33.11 | brbrbr | anyone tried kFreeBSD Squeeze in real work ? |
| 04:33.15 | tamran | only when using vmware though |
| 04:33.26 | Intense | tamran: im happy vbox user |
| 04:33.38 | tamran | they didn't have that workign well in 2006 |
| 04:33.54 | tamran | now the fglrx works a bit better |
| 04:34.03 | tamran | on 2.6.26 that is |
| 04:34.25 | robbles | OpenVZ on lenny is stable as a rock. Nice choice if you're only virtualizing linux |
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| 04:35.49 | Intense | huh |
| 04:35.56 | Intense | there is not alsamixer in debian anymore? |
| 04:36.30 | peterrooney | Intense: yes, in alsa-utils |
| 04:36.57 | tamran | I apologize for asking this, is there a list of packages site for debian 5.0 so I can see the latest and greatest stuff? |
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| 04:37.49 | Intense | right |
| 04:37.49 | peterrooney | tamran: packages.debian.org |
| 04:38.02 | tamran | doh! |
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| 04:38.50 | tamran | thanks peterrooney |
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| 04:40.21 | tamran | how much work would it be to use kde4.4 with debian 5? |
| 04:40.37 | tamran | I am thinking this might be a good way to go |
| 04:41.32 | dondelelcaro | tamran: quite a bit of work |
| 04:41.44 | tamran | ok, no problem |
| 04:41.48 | dondelelcaro | tamran: if you want to see it, your first step is to get it into unstable, and then do the backport |
| 04:42.04 | dondelelcaro | tamran: the KDE team definetly would love to have more assistance from kde users to make that happen |
| 04:42.31 | tamran | but I need the 2.6.26 kernel, so going to unstable would break my video driver I think |
| 04:42.39 | Psi-Jack- | Does anyone here know conntrackd and how to use it? I'm mostly trying to figure out how it should work between two Active-Active firewalls. Wether one does the conntrackd -c, -f, -R, -B, when it goes up primary, and then -n when it does down (while the other new primary goes -c, -f, -R, -B while it's going primary, and then fails with -n while the other comes back up) |
| 04:42.49 | tamran | although, I'd sure like to give it a shot |
| 04:43.07 | WiretapLinux | hey guys... just upgraded to Squeeze, seem to have lost my ability to use a console? Am running an HP Probook 5310m |
| 04:43.23 | WiretapLinux | would kinda like my console back, its just not the same without being able to press alt+f12 |
| 04:44.05 | dondelelcaro | tamran: oh, I'm not saying to use unstable, I'm just saying that unstable is the first place that kde 4.4 needs to go |
| 04:44.05 | macrobat | WiretapLinux: like gnome-terminal? |
| 04:44.26 | Wyzard | WiretapLinux: I'm running sid and I'd noticed that for awhile I couldn't switch to a text console, but then it started working again |
| 04:44.27 | WiretapLinux | macrobat, no, like alt+f1 through f6, oldschool pre-xwindows stuff :P |
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| 04:44.34 | robbles | !tell tamran about uupdate |
| 04:44.37 | WiretapLinux | Wyzard, how odd :/ |
| 04:44.48 | Wyzard | WiretapLinux: I suspect it may be related to the switch to KMS for some video drivers (my laptop has an i915) |
| 04:44.49 | macrobat | there are usually ttys ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 |
| 04:45.20 | WiretapLinux | Wyzard, I think this has an x3100 |
| 04:45.40 | Wyzard | same driver as me, then |
| 04:45.41 | macrobat | does ati do kms in sid? |
| 04:45.41 | WiretapLinux | macrobat, indeed, they are missing on my machine, once the preinit sequence is finished, my machine goes to a screen-off until x starts |
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| 04:46.02 | macrobat | are there no ttys in /dev/ ? |
| 04:46.26 | Wyzard | WiretapLinux: Now that VT switching is working again, it's very quick, no delay switching between X and the console framebuffer -- that's one of the benefits of KMS |
| 04:46.28 | WiretapLinux | macrobat, its display related, not tty related, there are plenty of ttys in dev |
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| 04:47.29 | WiretapLinux | Wyzard, are you, perchance on a laptop/ |
| 04:47.44 | WiretapLinux | I suspect it is using the wrong resolution and as such the screen is simply going 'howaboutno' |
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| 04:47.56 | Wyzard | WiretapLinux: I don't know any details of what made it stop working, but whatever package update resolved it ought to go into testing at some point |
| 04:48.17 | slb_ | i am pretty new to debian and i basically want to network my linux box to my windows box so i set up samba fine, however I'd like to be able to access by name and I think for that I need a wins server can anyone point me in the right direction for setting this up or recommend a better way for doing what i want |
| 04:48.24 | Wyzard | WiretapLinux: At the moment I'm using a desktop, but the machine I was referring to with the i915 is a laptop (a ThinkPad Z60m, specifically) |
| 04:48.25 | kladizkov | I had to downgrade my debian testing to debian stable. Everything went very well. But now I face an issue of missing binary file /usr/bin/locale, which is something that should come with libc6-bin. But when I try to reinstall that package, it says "Package libc-bin has no installation candidate". Isn't there libc-bin for lenny? |
| 04:48.29 | tamran | dondelelcaro: oh, so you mean I can install it straight away then? |
| 04:48.33 | Wyzard | It's on my desk next to me |
| 04:48.37 | WiretapLinux | Wyzard, please let me know if you work out what patch it is |
| 04:48.45 | tamran | is a little lost with the apt methods |
| 04:49.11 | nervousTwitch | i used gnome once with a button on nautilus that let me open parent anyone know how to add that? |
| 04:49.11 | tamran | robbles: those are great, I'm going to save these messages |
| 04:49.22 | Titan8990 | slb_: two hosts? just use a hosts file |
| 04:49.49 | slb_ | but on windows will i be able to access the linux box by name if i do that? |
| 04:50.02 | macrobat | some kms bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567965 |
| 04:50.05 | slb_ | or do i also have to update the windows hosts file too |
| 04:50.53 | tamran | well, I guess I should give this stuff a shot, perhaps an install to console and slam in some kde4.4 using the build method |
| 04:51.01 | macrobat | nervousTwitch: does alt+uparrow go to parent folder? |
| 04:51.02 | slb_ | or maybe you just meant the windows host file now that i think about it |
| 04:51.03 | tamran | it'll be like the gentoo days! |
| 04:51.21 | dondelelcaro | tamran: no, I mean that you'd have to get it into unstble, and then backport it |
| 04:51.36 | dondelelcaro | tamran: kde4.4 is relatively complicated to package denovo, so I wouldn't suggest it. |
| 04:51.44 | dondelelcaro | (it'll also be a bit involved to backport it) |
| 04:51.53 | nervousTwitch | actually no it does not |
| 04:52.02 | macrobat | tamran: you just want to run kde4.4? |
| 04:52.47 | macrobat | nervousTwitch: i like pcmanfm and thunar as file managers |
| 04:52.48 | nervousTwitch | this had an arrow big green up arrow saved me time |
| 04:52.55 | tamran | well, it's more like ... I DON'T want to run gnome |
| 04:53.10 | tamran | xfce would suffice, but there's a few glitches I still can't work out in that |
| 04:53.26 | tamran | actually, I _prefer_ xfce ... |
| 04:53.27 | nervousTwitch | i use jwm on one box i have |
| 04:53.44 | nervousTwitch | but i like gnome |
| 04:53.49 | tamran | however, I am having a HECK of a time getting xdg-open to work nicely |
| 04:53.58 | adb | icewm |
| 04:54.18 | dbbolton | tinywm |
| 04:54.19 | tamran | that said, the latest KDE did impress me from a ease of use perspective ... |
| 04:54.23 | macrobat | holy wm wars, batman! |
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| 04:54.28 | tamran | haha |
| 04:54.33 | dbbolton | screen |
| 04:54.39 | macrobat | tmux |
| 04:54.48 | tamran | they're all good WM's in their own right ... depends what one likes I guess :) |
| 04:55.01 | macrobat | lennyists dont have tmux :( |
| 04:55.32 | dondelelcaro | personally prefers awesome, but YMV |
| 04:55.40 | tamran | the KDE thing is because almost everyone else in my faculty is using it on SuSE ... |
| 04:55.44 | adb | , versions tmux |
| 04:55.44 | judd | tmux -- sid: 1.1-1; squeeze: 1.1-1 |
| 04:56.30 | macrobat | i like xfce4 on sid a bit better than on lenny, but you cant easily change the menu |
| 04:58.05 | nervousTwitch | i dont have sid skills |
| 04:58.09 | tamran | I don't want to start a flame war with this question, but here goes anyway (hoping for objectivity here): I sort of feel Ubuntu is a bit bloaty, is that the general concensus around here ... at least compared to straight debian? |
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| 04:58.23 | nervousTwitch | i barely have squeeze skills |
| 04:59.22 | macrobat | tamran: by straight you mean minimal install? |
| 04:59.34 | tamran | I mean, stable release |
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| 05:00.05 | tamran | there's so many debian off-shoots that I use that term "straight debian" out of habit |
| 05:00.05 | macrobat | gnome is pretty big with lots of things running |
| 05:00.24 | Psi-Jack- | Sweet! Finally got it working. |
| 05:00.34 | macrobat | ^5 |
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| 05:00.42 | tamran | I guess I'm curious how the two distro's compare resource wise and feature wise |
| 05:00.54 | Psi-Jack- | Though I'd have thought the network switchover would be a lot faster than what it is.. |
| 05:01.21 | Psi-Jack- | nearly pinged myself out at 51 seconds switching from one keepalived firewall to the other. |
| 05:01.23 | macrobat | tamran: i guess there are tons of comparisons on the 'net |
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| 05:01.41 | tamran | well, I worry they're not objective |
| 05:01.54 | tamran | from what I've been reading it's night and day |
| 05:02.32 | macrobat | i doesnt matter much, i conf debian anyway |
| 05:02.51 | LittleDedPenguin | i have almost as many 'buntu CDs laying around as i used to have AOL CDs laying around ... |
| 05:03.57 | nervousTwitch | not many of those gparted-live and some puppy cd's |
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| 05:04.24 | nervousTwitch | debian iso like crazy |
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| 05:05.03 | LittleDedPenguin | debian, i download the netinstall, then burn it to my debian cdrw |
| 05:05.46 | nervousTwitch | me to |
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| 05:06.40 | nervousTwitch | i love the net install |
| 05:06.41 | LittleDedPenguin | 'buntu, i keep ending up getting CDs from people ... so they've replaced all the aol cds i had at one point |
| 05:07.26 | j_laux | heh |
| 05:07.32 | j_laux | I remember the AOL cd days |
| 05:07.39 | nervousTwitch | my dad just got rid of his dial up |
| 05:07.41 | j_laux | its crazy how high the marketing budgets were back then |
| 05:07.55 | j_laux | to do that nationally to virtually everyone and sometimes 5x a month |
| 05:07.57 | Titan8990 | it worked for aol though... for a while |
| 05:08.23 | Titan8990 | if you didn't know crap about computers (most people), there was a good chance they were on aol back then :p |
| 05:08.32 | nervousTwitch | people still have aol emails |
| 05:09.02 | j_laux | I cant believe people pay for that |
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| 05:10.12 | Psi-Jack- | Would it be considered at all unwise to set the backports to not be disabled by default? |
| 05:10.43 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack-: you mean set to a higher priority so you pull all backports packages? |
| 05:10.49 | Psi-Jack- | Titan8990: Correct |
| 05:11.25 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack-: I would not recommend it. The backports packages are not as well tested and maintained as the ones in the main repo. Its best to install them as-needed. |
| 05:11.42 | Psi-Jack- | nods. |
| 05:12.27 | Psi-Jack- | I was noticing conntrackd is newer in bpo, but when I set in my /etc/apt/preferences the suggestion at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions, it didn't offer to upgrade it automagically like it suggested it would. |
| 05:13.00 | nervousTwitch | once that package becomes available without backports do you remove the backported package and install the one available? |
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| 05:13.37 | luke-jr | I'm trying to make RAID-1 inside LVM in the installer, but "physical volume for RAID" is not an option for the LVs? :/ |
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| 05:14.08 | Wyzard | luke-jr: RAID inside LVM doesn't make much sense |
| 05:14.13 | Wyzard | luke-jr: LVM inside RAID makes more sense |
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| 05:14.56 | luke-jr | Wyzard: what if I don't want the entire disk RAIDed? |
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| 05:15.24 | wade | ok i need to know this |
| 05:15.44 | wade | lm-sensors is reporting a different temperature to other programs |
| 05:15.45 | Wyzard | luke-jr: I'd use partitions to separate the part you want to use as a RAID component from the part you don't |
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| 05:16.14 | luke-jr | Wyzard: which are via LVM so I can change their sizes on the fly... :/ |
| 05:16.37 | wade | pretty sure lm-sensors doesnt use acpi, and programs that use acpi to read temperature are reporting higher values |
| 05:17.08 | wade | I feel that lm-sensors is more accurate as a quick jump to bios and the values there are closer to lm-sensors readings |
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| 05:17.22 | Wyzard | The problem with using LVM under RAID is that each RAID component needs to correspond to exactly one disk, but LVM can do things like span a volume across multiple disks |
| 05:17.58 | dbbolton | is there a channel on freenode that offers unofficial apple support? |
| 05:18.05 | wade | after basing many things on the acpi readings, cpu throttling, clock speeds, everything... I am only to find that prehaps things are cooler then expected! |
| 05:18.05 | Wyzard | If you were to make two separate single-disk VGs, and create an LV in each for use with the RAID, that'd be correct and safe, but also weird |
| 05:18.21 | peterrooney | dbbolton: #debianppc ? |
| 05:18.33 | nervousTwitch | always open in browser window adds the buttons in gnome just fyi |
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| 05:18.49 | Wyzard | If you put your two disks in a single VG then you have to be very careful about how your LVs are allocated (probably specifying extent ranges manually) to ensure that they're completely on separate physical disks |
| 05:18.50 | luke-jr | Wyzard: that's why I made each VG a single disk :p |
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| 05:19.57 | wade | but i mean seriously, which is more accurate, lm-sensors or acpi? it doesnt seem safe to make any assumptions when dealing with hardware temperatures |
| 05:19.58 | echosystm | anyone here run debian on vmware or virtualbox? |
| 05:20.05 | dbk | how can i find out which package has libjemalloc.so? |
| 05:20.17 | Wyzard | echosystm: I use Debian as both host and guest for VMware |
| 05:20.33 | Wyzard | Xen too, FWIW |
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| 05:20.49 | echosystm | ok |
| 05:21.09 | echosystm | with lenny, have you ever had a kernel failure come up in gnome? |
| 05:21.28 | echosystm | i cant seem to get any linux distro running smoothly in virtualbox |
| 05:21.47 | wade | scraping google has brought no conclusion |
| 05:21.47 | Wyzard | No, though I only have one lenny VM that has GNOME installed (the others don't run X) |
| 05:21.56 | echosystm | centos will only install in text mode, then i cant log in |
| 05:22.00 | Wyzard | and I don't use VirtualBox at all, only VMware Workstation |
| 05:22.05 | echosystm | ftp doesnt work in ubuntu |
| 05:22.11 | echosystm | and debian gives me kernel errors! |
| 05:22.18 | Wyzard | What sort of kernel errors? |
| 05:22.25 | echosystm | i have no idea |
| 05:22.33 | echosystm | the kerneloops daemon just pops up a message |
| 05:22.58 | echosystm | what's vmware like for linux, in your experience? |
| 05:23.03 | Wyzard | and what does the message say? |
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| 05:23.09 | Wyzard | works fine |
| 05:23.25 | echosystm | there is no message, it just says your kernel had an error, do you want to send it off etc. etc. |
| 05:23.28 | Wyzard | Running Workstation in sid requires unofficial patches to their kernel modules when new kernels are released, but that's not difficult to do |
| 05:23.33 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 05:23.49 | echosystm | thing is, ive seen posts about this dating back to 2008 in the vbox forum |
| 05:23.49 | Wyzard | Next time that happens, open a terminal window and run "dmesg" |
| 05:23.59 | Wyzard | You should be able to find the real error message there |
| 05:24.05 | echosystm | so regardless, its obviously not going to get fixed |
| 05:24.32 | Wyzard | Well, it might be a configuration problem or something that doesn't require changes to the application |
| 05:24.43 | Wyzard | but I'm just speculating; I have basically no experience with vbox |
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| 05:24.55 | echosystm | i dunno, linux support clearly sucks |
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| 05:25.12 | echosystm | to ahve problems with 3 of the major distros like this is just unnacceptable |
| 05:26.34 | wade | echosystm: tried compiling your own kernel? |
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| 05:27.14 | echosystm | i dont think i should have to wade |
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| 05:28.31 | wade | all the VM support options are in there, and VM support isnt something everybody uses so it probably isnt fully implimented in the standard binaries you get from distros |
| 05:28.50 | wade | just a thought' |
| 05:29.11 | wade | standard/typical kernel binaries* |
| 05:29.11 | Titan8990 | echosystm: I run debian in virtualbox |
| 05:29.21 | \amethyst | echosystm: is the oops in one of the guest extension drivers, or elsewhere? |
| 05:29.31 | Wyzard | There shouldn't be any kernel-level "VM support options" needed for running in VirtualBox |
| 05:29.32 | Titan8990 | echosystm: also run pentoo, fedora, opensuse, and centos |
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| 05:29.44 | Wyzard | It's meant for running unmodified OSes |
| 05:29.46 | echosystm | centos 5.4 Titan8990? |
| 05:29.50 | Titan8990 | echosystm: 3.1 on a lenny a host. The only one that runs like crap is open suse |
| 05:30.05 | Titan8990 | echosystm: 4 actually, its a partial replica of a work server |
| 05:30.18 | echosystm | debian lenny? |
| 05:31.00 | Titan8990 | echosystm: squeeze... |
| 05:31.10 | wade | it will work much better with kernel support, just putting that out there |
| 05:31.14 | \amethyst | I also have a lenny vbox guest, on an OpenSolaris host |
| 05:31.14 | Titan8990 | echosystm: but I am not advocating use of squeeze here... |
| 05:31.38 | Titan8990 | echosystm: does your system support hardware virtualization? |
| 05:31.52 | echosystm | yep |
| 05:32.06 | Wyzard | wade: What special support does the kernel offer for running under VirtualBox? |
| 05:32.20 | echosystm | Titan8990, i get this problem on 2 entirely different computers, one running osx and the other running windows |
| 05:32.33 | echosystm | it happens regardless of what VT/IO APIC/SATA/etc. settings i use |
| 05:32.56 | echosystm | if you look on the vbox forums, you'll see its a well known problem for a long time |
| 05:33.02 | echosystm | and yet there is no fix |
| 05:33.18 | Wyzard | echosystm: You really need to use dmesg to see the actual oops message |
| 05:33.22 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:33.23 | Wyzard | echosystm: can't troubleshoot a problem without any details about what it is |
| 05:33.28 | echosystm | ok one sec |
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| 05:34.38 | wade | Virtualization> KVM Support. 'Support hosting fully virtualized guest machines using hardware virtualization extensions' |
| 05:35.11 | \amethyst | wade: err, that has nothing to do with being a virtualbox guest |
| 05:35.30 | Wyzard | wade: That's for hosting VMs, as an alternative to apps like VirtualBox and VMware |
| 05:35.41 | wade | aah ok sorry |
| 05:35.42 | Wyzard | It's not used *in* a VM |
| 05:36.02 | \amethyst | well, I guess if it were turned on inside a virtualized guest it could cause problems |
| 05:36.02 | Wyzard | The other stuff you'll find in the kernel config is support for paravirtualization frameworks like Xen and VMI |
| 05:36.18 | Wyzard | which are also not applicable to a VirtualBox guest |
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| 05:36.32 | Titan8990 | Wyzard: the kernel module for vbox guests adds support for connecting host usb devices, shared folders. xorg modules allow the clipboard to be shared with the host |
| 05:36.36 | Psi-Jack- | Ohh yeaaah.. Newest conntrackd from bpo, is vewwy nice. Failover with 0 latency. |
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| 05:37.12 | wade | sorry sorry :) just trying to help' im going to go back to seeing why debian squeeze is giving dangerous temperature readings, hope this one doesnt make it upstrea! |
| 05:37.23 | Psi-Jack- | I was noticing conntrackd is newer in bpo, but when I set in my /etc/apt/preferences the suggestion at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions, it didn't offer to upgrade it automagically like it suggested it would. |
| 05:37.26 | Psi-Jack- | Ack |
| 05:37.38 | Wyzard | Titan8990: That's an add-on module though -- wade was talking about needing to compile a custom kernel for the sake of in-kernel VM support, so I was explaining why that's not needed for running under VBox |
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| 05:39.28 | echosystm | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/1836558 |
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| 05:40.35 | \amethyst | echosystm: ah, so it occurs once on boot and no later? |
| 05:41.10 | echosystm | yes |
| 05:41.37 | echosystm | i tried running a backported kernel |
| 05:41.38 | echosystm | no change |
| 05:41.50 | Wyzard | echosystm: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/24/144 mentions that that message also appeared when running under VMware and that it's basically a false alarm |
| 05:42.01 | Wyzard | echosystm: I'd suspect its appearance under VBox is for the same reason |
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| 05:42.29 | echosystm | right |
| 05:42.34 | echosystm | hrm |
| 05:43.02 | echosystm | i might just bite the bullet and start usign xen |
| 05:43.14 | Wyzard | Xen is very different from VBox |
| 05:43.17 | echosystm | i know |
| 05:43.44 | \amethyst | echosystm: aha, I do in fact get the same WARNING and stack trace on boot |
| 05:44.03 | Wyzard | I use it on my router, which is basically headless and accessed via ssh, but I wouldn't want to use it for desktop virtualization like i'd use VBox or VMware |
| 05:44.19 | echosystm | whys that? |
| 05:44.31 | \amethyst | echosystm: I don't run the gnome kernel oops tracker, though, so I never saw a message about it |
| 05:44.47 | echosystm | neither \amethyst |
| 05:44.54 | echosystm | i only noticed it when i booted from a live cd |
| 05:45.02 | echosystm | all my servers are headless |
| 05:45.06 | dbk | q |
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| 05:45.26 | Wyzard | echosystm: because it works at a much lower level -- it's not an app that you bring up in a window and click a button to boot the VM |
| 05:45.38 | echosystm | ok |
| 05:45.53 | echosystm | guess i'll just ignore the error then lol |
| 05:46.02 | Wyzard | echosystm: It's actually more like running multiple OSes side-by-side -- people often think of a Xen dom0 as the "host", but it's really just a guest with special privileges |
| 05:46.13 | Titan8990 | I spent an entire day doing my first xen vm... yesterday |
| 05:46.16 | luke-jr | ugh, Debian forced LILO cuz of RAID /boot ; does LILO still need -o notail? |
| 05:46.25 | Wyzard | There is no "host" OS in Xen |
| 05:47.15 | cast | ahh, reminds me, gotta play around with user-mode-linux more today :) |
| 05:47.15 | Titan8990 | dom0 |
| 05:47.15 | Wyzard | luke-jr: FWIW, grub2 supports Linux software RAID |
| 05:47.15 | \amethyst | well, there's the hypervisor |
| 05:47.15 | Wyzard | or claims to support it; I haven't tried it |
| 05:47.15 | simonrvn | reminds me i need to purge that uml stuff |
| 05:47.21 | echosystm | Wyzard, why wouldnt this patch be in the debian kernel from abckports? |
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| 05:47.30 | cast | simonrvn: lol. |
| 05:47.33 | echosystm | thats what i dont get |
| 05:47.35 | Wyzard | \amethyst: Right, but that's not an OS -- my point is that you don't have one OS running on bare metal and other OSes running as processes within it, like with VBox/VMware |
| 05:47.48 | cast | simonrvn: i really wish it would run under bsd and solaris too :( |
| 05:47.50 | \amethyst | echosystm: the patch I've seen detects vmware explicitly |
| 05:48.00 | echosystm | right |
| 05:48.01 | aztek[tum] | Say I want to install Debian over Ubuntu. Can I mount my md0 device if I keep the config? |
| 05:48.03 | echosystm | bummer |
| 05:48.13 | echosystm | maybe i should start using vmware |
| 05:48.14 | simonrvn | i install uml-utilities to try getting something working... |
| 05:48.20 | \amethyst | echosystm: In any event, it appears to be purely cosmetic |
| 05:48.37 | echosystm | what about the problems i had with ubuntu and centos though? |
| 05:48.43 | \amethyst | what problems? |
| 05:48.59 | echosystm | centos 5.4 jsut doesnt install except in text mode and even then i cant actually log in |
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| 05:49.11 | Psi-Jack- | heh |
| 05:49.21 | Wyzard | echosystm: That commit is dated 24 Sep 2008... kernel 2.6.26 was released on 13 Jul 2008 |
| 05:49.32 | echosystm | and ftp seems to continually disconnect in ubuntu |
| 05:49.39 | Psi-Jack- | I started to use CentOS 5.4 for a while, for my redundant Active-Active firewall setup, but I'm finding out my methods were just totally wrong. |
| 05:49.44 | luke-jr | Wyzard: but Debian doesn't allow GRUB2? :/ |
| 05:49.54 | \amethyst | echosystm: no idea, but they're unrelated to the MTRR thing |
| 05:50.35 | Wyzard | echosystm: 2.6.26 was most recently updated (to 2.6.26.8) a few months later in November, but the MTRR fix was probably made on the trunk, to be part of 2.6.27 |
| 05:51.04 | Wyzard | luke-jr: The package is called "grub-pc" and it's in unstable and probably testing; dunno about stable |
| 05:51.24 | Titan8990 | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 05:51.26 | luke-jr | :\ |
| 05:51.26 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98~20100115-1; sid: 1.98-1 |
| 05:51.38 | Titan8990 | its is lenny |
| 05:51.52 | Titan8990 | in |
| 05:51.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow... it was backported to etch |
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| 05:57.03 | luke-jr | Titan8990: just not the installer... any good links on switching LILO -> GRUB2 now that it's installed? :/ |
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| 05:57.42 | Psi-Jack- | Egawds! People still use LILO somewhere? |
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| 05:58.39 | wade | heh yep |
| 05:58.59 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: It's needed in situations where the kernel isn't on a filesystem that GRUB would understand |
| 05:59.03 | wade | some people just want to keep it simple |
| 05:59.13 | wade | at any cost :D |
| 05:59.23 | Psi-Jack- | If you put your kernel on a filesystem grub wouldn't understand, that's already a problem in itself. :p |
| 05:59.42 | Wyzard | not really |
| 06:00.03 | Wyzard | luke-jr's example of a software RAID1 is an example |
| 06:00.11 | Psi-Jack- | Again. |
| 06:00.14 | Psi-Jack- | If you put your kernel on a filesystem grub wouldn't understand, that's already a problem in itself. :p |
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| 06:00.30 | Wyzard | There's a perfectly valid filesystem, but its blocks are mapped in a way that GRUB doesn't know about |
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| 06:00.35 | wade | q/a which is more depenable, lm-sensors or acpi? |
| 06:00.41 | Psi-Jack- | I've said it twice, and I will stand by what I said vigilantly. |
| 06:00.48 | wade | for temperature readings, i want a second op |
| 06:01.26 | luke-jr | Psi-Jack-: so how would you do it? |
| 06:01.32 | Vasistha | So... I was at a cafe, and I was able to associate wirelessly with the access point via iwconfig, however when I used dhclient, the router did not offer me an ip address. With windows/mac nobody ever has a problem connecting. Any idea what I can do to get connected? |
| 06:01.40 | luke-jr | Psi-Jack-: maintain two independent /boot partitions? |
| 06:01.42 | wade | i feel both lilo and grub have their place, personal preference and applications etc |
| 06:01.53 | Psi-Jack- | luke-jr: Easy. Maintain two independant /boot partitions, very simple. |
| 06:01.57 | luke-jr | Psi-Jack-: care to help me switch to GRUB2 which understands RAID? :) |
| 06:02.04 | Psi-Jack- | luke-jr: I don't use grub2. |
| 06:02.16 | luke-jr | :( |
| 06:02.29 | wade | Vasistha: i use ceni, has not failed me yet |
| 06:02.40 | Psi-Jack- | Anyway. |
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| 06:02.47 | Psi-Jack- | How I would maintain two /boot's. |
| 06:02.48 | Vasistha | wade: thanks for the recommend, will look it up |
| 06:02.51 | echosystm | i just tried debian under vmware... no errors |
| 06:02.53 | Psi-Jack- | VERY similarly to how I would Raid1. |
| 06:02.58 | echosystm | looks like i'll be giving vbox the flick. |
| 06:03.07 | echosystm | centos works too |
| 06:03.09 | echosystm | lol |
| 06:03.31 | kyle_l5l | anybody have suggestions on how to install debian on a system with no disks? (wanting to do root-on-NFS, can't get installer to play nice) |
| 06:03.31 | Psi-Jack- | Have two identicle filesystems exactly the same size. Mount both and any change done to /boot, rsync into /boot-2 |
| 06:03.39 | Vasistha | wade: is it in debian? I don't see a package called ceni |
| 06:04.01 | wade | np |
| 06:04.13 | luke-jr | Psi-Jack-: too bad Debian doesn't support that |
| 06:04.17 | Psi-Jack- | luke-jr: yes it does. |
| 06:04.26 | Psi-Jack- | ANY distribution of Linux would. |
| 06:04.41 | luke-jr | no, any human who knows *nix would |
| 06:04.43 | luke-jr | not Debian |
| 06:04.51 | Psi-Jack- | luke-jr: Ummm... It's not rocket science. |
| 06:05.00 | luke-jr | big difference between me doing something and Debian doing it |
| 06:05.08 | Psi-Jack- | It's actually EASIER than Raid1. |
| 06:05.27 | luke-jr | it actually breaks easier too |
| 06:05.41 | Psi-Jack- | Actually, it breaks less. |
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| 06:05.54 | cast | couldn't you use the device mapper to setup the duplication -_o |
| 06:05.57 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: I just have a /boot partition on one disk, separate from the partition used for RAID, and an empty partition in the corresponding place on the other disks |
| 06:06.15 | Psi-Jack- | Wyzard: Exactly! |
| 06:06.23 | luke-jr | cast: that's what GRUB doesn't support |
| 06:06.33 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: No need to RAID the kernel; it's not like it's difficult to replace in the event that sda goes poof |
| 06:06.35 | Psi-Jack- | Heck, if you make them the exact same size partitions, you can rsync /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:07.03 | cast | luke-jr: eh it would look identical to a normal partitions w/ ext3 |
| 06:07.04 | Psi-Jack- | It's called BASIC ADMINISTRATION, luke-jr. ;) |
| 06:07.18 | Psi-Jack- | You make a change, you boot it to verify it's sane, you rsync them over. Done. |
| 06:07.24 | luke-jr | Psi-Jack-: then rsync locks the system up when /dev/sdb suddenly fails |
| 06:07.25 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: but if I wanted a redundant /boot, I'd use Linux RAID1 with the superblock at the end, so that each copy looks like a normal filesystem to GRUB |
| 06:07.36 | Psi-Jack- | If it breaks it, you rsync the original back over. |
| 06:07.54 | Wyzard | I'd much rather have the RAID driver keep the copies in sync than have to manually rsync anytime I change anything in /boot |
| 06:07.56 | cast | Wyzard: neat, didn't know you could put it at the end :) |
| 06:08.27 | Psi-Jack- | I prefer it manually because it gives me verifiable redundancy and failover. |
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| 06:08.39 | Wyzard | cast: Take a look at the "-e" option in mdadm's manpage, and the difference between the different 1.x superblock versions |
| 06:08.44 | Psi-Jack- | If you break it in raid1, you break both copies, not smart. |
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| 06:09.35 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: Protecting against disk faults (RAID) and protecting against operator mistakes (backup files) are completely different things |
| 06:09.42 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: One isn't a substitute for the other |
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| 06:09.47 | wade | something went wrong then lolz |
| 06:10.24 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack-: RAID-1 provides "verifiable redundancy and failover" if a disk dies |
| 06:10.53 | wade | lm-sensors more dependable for temperature readings then acpi? someone has to know this |
| 06:11.01 | wade | i feel that yes, it is... anyone else agree? |
| 06:11.25 | Wyzard | wade: I don't really know for sure, but I'd be more inclined to trust ACPI |
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| 06:11.57 | wade | Vasistha: thaks for your thoughts Wyzard |
| 06:12.03 | wade | thanks* |
| 06:12.04 | Wyzard | wade: It's been a long time since I used lm-sensors directly, but I remember it warning about there being guesswork involved in converting the raw value returned from the sensor into a temperature reading |
| 06:12.23 | Wyzard | since different sensors have different value scales |
| 06:13.04 | wade | ah i see |
| 06:13.08 | Wyzard | ACPI is more recent, and actually standardized, so I'd think they would've addressed that problem and put the necessary information in ACPI tables or something |
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| 06:17.31 | paddy_melon | !news |
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| 06:18.19 | jhambo | exit |
| 06:18.28 | hideo | it's /quit |
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| 06:21.02 | chovy | what's a small pkg i can try to install to test if i have privs? |
| 06:21.14 | chovy | (to use apt-get) |
| 06:21.24 | wols | what "privs"? either you are root, or you can't install anything |
| 06:21.31 | wols | so run "id" and you know if you can install |
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| 06:22.50 | chovy | wols: i have some screwed up shared root account that isn't really root. I can run searches, just want to actually install something and remove it to be sure...but not cause problem if it succeeds. |
| 06:24.03 | wols | you either are root (uid=0) or you are not. there is no uncertainty, it's very clear if you are root |
| 06:24.16 | wols | and every user can run searches. no priviledges necessary |
| 06:24.33 | wols | simply run a "apt-get update". ir you are root, it works. if you aren't it does not |
| 06:24.44 | wols | s/ir/if/ |
| 06:25.35 | chovy | wols, well it worked, but at the end i got an error about a public key. |
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| 06:26.06 | wols | that is no error. read more carefully |
| 06:26.36 | wols | chovy: /msg dpkg public key |
| 06:26.37 | chovy | well, that answers that question. I was able to install rtorrent. |
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| 06:31.49 | chovy | wols: thanks. |
| 06:32.30 | Psi-Jack- | Hmmm |
| 06:33.06 | Psi-Jack- | openntpd doesn't seem to be the same ntpd I'm used to. I have it set to listen *, but when my secondary router tries to use it for time sync, it gets connection refused. |
| 06:33.24 | Psi-Jack- | How can I get my secondary server to sync the time with my primary? |
| 06:33.39 | cast | ntp |
| 06:34.03 | cast | oh...my bad. you cant get that to work, ntp is a bit of a weird protocol |
| 06:34.08 | Psi-Jack- | heh |
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| 06:34.35 | Psi-Jack- | I have the firewall rules set to allow connections to NTP on both sides, but apparently it's not working the way I'd expect. |
| 06:34.44 | Psi-Jack- | As I said, I'm used to a different ntpd than openntpd. |
| 06:35.18 | wols | did ypi try with telnet? |
| 06:35.48 | Psi-Jack- | Seems to be refusing that way as well. |
| 06:37.13 | wols | next, check on what interfaces it listens |
| 06:37.17 | Psi-Jack- | * |
| 06:37.25 | chovy | anyone know why apt-get install libfreeimage3 libfreeimage-dev can't find these packages? |
| 06:37.29 | wols | did you actually check? |
| 06:37.41 | wols | ,versions libfreeimage3 |
| 06:37.43 | judd | libfreeimage3 -- lenny: 3.10.0-1; sid: 3.10.0-2; squeeze: 3.10.0-2 |
| 06:37.48 | Psi-Jack- | wols: I specifically set it that way in ntpd.conf |
| 06:37.54 | wols | chovy: pastebin your sources.list |
| 06:38.02 | Psi-Jack- | the logs say it's binding to every interface. |
| 06:38.02 | wols | Psi-Jack-: so you didn't check. please check |
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| 06:39.25 | chovy | wols: http://pastie.org/867598 |
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| 06:39.45 | Roby_ | Hello, could someone help me with apache name based Vhost? i have 2 domains and i want them both to an other webroot, ive configured apache2 by following the apache2 documentation. |
| 06:40.05 | wols | !tell chovy about etch->lenny |
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| 06:40.19 | DarkED | hi all. where is the apt package cache stored? |
| 06:40.21 | wols | chovy: etch is unsupported. EOL. no more security updates or any other updates at all |
| 06:40.34 | wols | DarkED: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 06:40.40 | DarkED | wols: thank ye kindly :D |
| 06:40.54 | wols | chovy: and as you can see, no libfreeimage either |
| 06:40.58 | DarkED | speaking of packages... i need to get a copy of my.cnf for debian mysql |
| 06:41.02 | chovy | wols: ok. how do i tell if i have etch installed? |
| 06:41.11 | wols | chovy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:41.12 | DarkED | can i extract this from one of the mysql-server .debs? |
| 06:41.26 | chovy | 4.0 |
| 06:41.48 | wols | DarkED: unlikely. my.conf is a config file generated via debconf. maybe /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 06:41.55 | peterrooney | DarkED: yes, you can. dpkg allows for extraction to a specific directory, without any installation steps. |
| 06:41.55 | wols | chovy: you run etch. please upgrade |
| 06:42.18 | DarkED | peterrooney: ahh, that's exactly what i need to do then... how do i do that? |
| 06:42.32 | wols | DarkED: man dpkg. but as I said: my.cnf is a config file.. |
| 06:42.50 | chovy | wols: ok, i'll give that a shot...is there a way to undo if something goes horribly wrong? |
| 06:42.51 | DarkED | wols: i know. it's supposed to be in /etc/mysql but isn't. |
| 06:42.52 | peterrooney | DarkED: as wols said, may not be strictly a package file. |
| 06:43.05 | \amethyst | in this case it is |
| 06:43.05 | Intense | almost 8AM .. i guess its time to go home ... after 22 hours |
| 06:43.08 | \amethyst | it's in mysql-common |
| 06:43.09 | chovy | i have a bastardized VM instance of debian (i think) from dreamhost. |
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| 06:43.35 | DarkED | \amethyst: ahh, awesome. i'll go check out that package. thanks! |
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| 06:43.51 | wols | chovy: ask dreamhost, not us |
| 06:44.11 | wols | chovy: they use a custom kernel afaik. something we cannot support |
| 06:44.20 | chovy | wols: ok, just thought some here may have done this already. |
| 06:44.38 | wols | people avoid dreamhost for a reason |
| 06:44.46 | chovy | regarding the key error on update, I tried following the instructions you gave me that didn't work. |
| 06:45.03 | echosystm | from everyones experience, what are the most common distros found on servers in the wild? |
| 06:45.09 | cast | RHEL |
| 06:45.20 | peterrooney | Windows Server 2003 |
| 06:45.26 | wols | !polls |
| 06:45.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 06:45.42 | echosystm | ok |
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| 06:49.45 | peterrooney | wols: I expected at least a stern glare for my response |
| 06:50.13 | wols | troll elsewhere |
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| 06:51.08 | chovy | wols, thanks for your help. |
| 06:51.18 | chovy | i fixed the public key problem. |
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| 06:53.09 | sussudio | :-P |
| 06:53.37 | Psi-Jack- | Ahhhhh, there we go. it was the ntp package itself. I kept looking for ntpd, or ntp-server. |
| 06:53.49 | Psi-Jack- | openntpd was junk. very inaccurate. |
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| 07:06.07 | manixor | Hello all. |
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| 07:08.12 | manixor | I have a sound(bip), on some events on my Debian system. Ex: When I'm on File Browser, and I click on "back space" button, to navigate on the preview window. How can I loose of it? |
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| 07:13.59 | tholmith | i wanted to install abiword on sid and aptitude removes gnumeric and libgoffice-0.8-8. is this normal? |
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| 07:14.41 | \amethyst | tholmith: libgoffice is undergoing a transition |
| 07:15.03 | \amethyst | tholmith: if you want to have both abiword and gnumeric installed at the moment, you'll need to downgrade gnumeric |
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| 07:15.26 | tholmith | so if i have gnome-office when the transition will be made it will install gnumeric back? |
| 07:15.51 | \amethyst | tholmith: 1.10.0-1 is the last version of gnumeric to use libgoffice-0.8 instead of -0.8-8 |
| 07:16.14 | \amethyst | tholmith: you can't have gnome-office installed right now unless you downgrade gnumeric |
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| 07:17.47 | macrobat | manixor: does "xset b off" help? |
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| 07:18.46 | tholmith | \amethyst, i mean now i have gnome-office but gnumeric was removed. will it be installed back later when the transition of libgoffice will be done? |
| 07:18.57 | manixor | macrobat Yesssss. Finally, thank's a lot. I will be more relay now. :) |
| 07:19.05 | manixor | *relax |
| 07:19.30 | \amethyst | tholmith: huh? you have gnome-office installed but not gnumeric? |
| 07:19.38 | tholmith | yup. |
| 07:19.41 | \amethyst | tholmith: how'd you accomplish that? |
| 07:19.52 | macrobat | manixor: you can blacklist the pcspkr module, so it wont beep next time you boot |
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| 07:20.41 | \amethyst | tholmith: gnome-office Depends: gnumeric, so your gnome-office package should be listed as broken |
| 07:21.08 | macrobat | manixor: as root, make a local.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d with the text "blacklist pcspkr" |
| 07:21.28 | tholmith | \amethyst, erm, sorry. i'm wrong. you're right. |
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| 07:22.01 | peterrooney | manixor: or, use alsamixer to turn down (or off) volume of pc speaker |
| 07:22.50 | \amethyst | tholmith: as I said, your best bet at the moment would be to install and hold 1.10.0-1 of gnumeric |
| 07:23.11 | tholmith | but then i get no abiword... |
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| 07:23.30 | manixor | macrobat Your solution what does? |
| 07:23.42 | \amethyst | tholmith: gnumeric 1.10.0-1 and abiword 2.8.2-1+b1 can be installed at the same time |
| 07:23.54 | tholmith | erm, sorry again. i guess i need some glasses... |
| 07:24.00 | \amethyst | tholmith: it's 1.10.1-1 that causes the problems |
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| 07:24.49 | \amethyst | tholmith: eventually abiword, gnucash, gchempaint, etc will be upgraded to use libgoffice-0.8-8 |
| 07:25.04 | \amethyst | tholmith: when that happens, you can upgrade gnumeric along with them |
| 07:25.26 | \amethyst | (un-hold it, that is) |
| 07:25.32 | tholmith | \amethyst, thanks. :D |
| 07:26.39 | macrobat | manixor: "pcspkr" is a module that is loaded into the kernel. a blacklist makes it not load. pcspkr tells debian how to play beeps on the pc speaker |
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| 07:29.17 | pallgone | I had issues (delayed gfx) with intel video on this compaq nc6220 and squeeze, then I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.33 and the problems went away... do I report that as kernel bug? |
| 07:30.10 | manixor | macrobat So, pcspkr is responsible for beeps. Normally this module is loaded and so beeps are activated. If I blacklist pcspkr, the beeps will not be activate on booting? |
| 07:30.20 | macrobat | yes |
| 07:30.33 | manixor | macrobat Nice, I will try it. |
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| 07:31.54 | jvogel | hi |
| 07:32.00 | jvogel | yo im installing debian |
| 07:32.06 | jvogel | and like i have this empty partition |
| 07:32.09 | jvogel | i create 256 MB boot |
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| 07:34.38 | manixor | macrobat I already have a blacklist file under /etc/modprobe.d, I can add "blacklist pcspkr" here? |
| 07:35.00 | pallgone | manixor: yes |
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| 07:43.10 | manixor | macrobat Thank's, worked perfectly. |
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| 07:44.34 | Wyzard | manixor: Actually, I'd recommend creating a separate file, called "local-blacklist" or something |
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| 07:45.31 | Wyzard | manixor: The blacklist file is part of the udev package, then dpkg will ask you whether you want to keep the old version of the file or upgrade to the maintainer's new version when the udev package gets upgraded |
| 07:46.04 | Wyzard | manixor: If you create your own file then udev's file can be upgraded without any annoying confirmation prompts |
| 07:46.23 | pallgone | Wyzard: nice to know... |
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| 07:49.59 | manixor | Wyzard OK, nice to know... |
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| 07:56.42 | Psi-Jack- | Anyone know what the cidr for 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 is? |
| 07:56.56 | cahoot | ipcalc? |
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| 07:57.46 | Psi-Jack- | Perfecto, thanks. ;) |
| 07:58.11 | hayleyw | Psi-Jack-, /16 |
| 07:58.17 | Psi-Jack- | Actually, /12 |
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| 08:00.34 | obiwahn | how do i use an alternate automake version that is installed? |
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| 08:09.56 | deadbeef | hello guys excuseme, i've installed debian sid on a pendrive; is there a way to minimize the read/write operations on it? (so it can go a bit faster) |
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| 08:11.12 | peterrooney | obiwahn: as root, update-alternatives --config automake |
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| 08:12.40 | _JECKEL_ | hi guys, I can't seem to get the man pages for GCC on my system. |
| 08:12.51 | _JECKEL_ | I installed manpages-dev |
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| 08:13.27 | deadbeef | _JECKEL_: that is likely to contain manpages for syscalls and libc functions |
| 08:13.30 | deadbeef | and so on |
| 08:13.34 | _JECKEL_ | and trying to apt-get install gcc-doc gives me a message that it's not available but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:13.41 | deadbeef | more than specific documentation about gcc |
| 08:13.48 | dutchfish | _JECKEL_: gcc-[version]-doc ? |
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| 08:14.31 | wols | jeff_hann: apt-cache search gcc |grep doc |
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| 08:14.35 | _JECKEL_ | apt-get install gcc-4.3.2-doc couldn't find package |
| 08:14.57 | deadbeef | _JECKEL_: gcc-4.3-doc |
| 08:15.08 | deadbeef | apt-cache search gcc | grep doc |
| 08:15.30 | Wyzard | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gcc-doc |
| 08:15.32 | Wyzard | It's in contrib |
| 08:15.38 | _JECKEL_ | contrib eh? |
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| 08:16.04 | Wyzard | becaus gcc-4.3-doc is in non-free |
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| 08:16.28 | JNSamuel | yes the docs are proprietary |
| 08:16.32 | _JECKEL_ | the gnu c compiler has some non-free elements? |
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| 08:17.16 | Wyzard | The documentation is licensed under the GFDL, exercising some options of that license that Debian considers non-free in the DFSG sense |
| 08:17.26 | Wyzard | http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 08:19.38 | JNSamuel | debian make no sense, they allow people to tell them not to use apps when they're in hundreds of other distros and they're backwards with licenses :/ |
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| 08:20.19 | dutchfish | !perfect world |
| 08:20.25 | Wyzard | The rationale makes sense to me |
| 08:20.30 | Wyzard | and it's not like they're refusing to distribute the docs |
| 08:20.36 | JNSamuel | umm |
| 08:20.47 | wols | there are not only hundreds but millions of criminals. Clearly with so many criminals, it's stupid to follow laws |
| 08:21.33 | cast | is there still the issue of non-free in the main kernel? |
| 08:21.34 | JNSamuel | ? |
| 08:21.58 | wols | cast: non free firmwares have been externalized in debian kernels now |
| 08:22.05 | cast | i remember with..etch i think it was, they decided to not delay the release and sort it out in future. |
| 08:22.08 | Wyzard | cast: I think that was resolved when the files were moved into the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 08:22.38 | cast | excellent |
| 08:22.40 | _JECKEL_ | ok how do I add contrib to the sources list? |
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| 08:23.02 | Wyzard | There's also a firmware-linux-free; as I understand it, the upstream kernel developers are the ones who actually separated the firmware files out into a separate archive so that distros can easily package it separately |
| 08:23.03 | wols | _JECKEL_: you write it at the end of your main repository line |
| 08:23.11 | JNSamuel | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:23.54 | _JECKEL_ | yeah but what's the URL path? deb http://contribl.debian.org/debian-contrib lenny/contrib main |
| 08:24.04 | Wyzard | _JECKEL_: Change "main" at the end to "main contrib non-free" |
| 08:24.10 | _JECKEL_ | ah |
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| 08:24.29 | Wyzard | and take off the "/contrib" after "lenny"; it doesn't go there |
| 08:25.00 | JNSamuel | you're fired |
| 08:25.11 | Wyzard | and the "-contrib" too |
| 08:26.15 | _JECKEL_ | odd that it doesn't follow the same format as the others |
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| 08:26.28 | cast | hmm, "After a long painful discussion it was decided that Debian will remove all such firmware from the stock Debian kernel. As a result of this from kernel 2.6.29 onwards the change was implemented and all the firmware binaries were stripped out of Debian kernel" http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/05/11/tip-debian-linux-kernel-firmware-issues-ethernet-drivers-missing/ |
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| 08:26.55 | wols | jeff_hann: it does |
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| 08:27.03 | wols | _JECKEL_: it does follow the exact same one |
| 08:27.07 | jeff_hann | :P |
| 08:27.32 | _JECKEL_ | could not resolve contrib.debian.org |
| 08:27.33 | Wyzard | _JECKEL_: It's following the normal format: URI, distribution name (e.g. "lenny"), followed by one or more component names ("main", "contrib", and "non-free" in this case) |
| 08:27.40 | Wyzard | It's not a site |
| 08:27.53 | _JECKEL_ | oh |
| 08:27.59 | Wyzard | It's a directory, just like "main" is |
| 08:29.10 | _JECKEL_ | ah there we go |
| 08:29.12 | _JECKEL_ | that makes more sense |
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| 08:31.03 | Wyzard | _JECKEL_: btw, GCC's docs are written primarily as Info pages -- the manpage is very large and unwieldy to try to read |
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| 08:31.47 | Wyzard | _JECKEL_: You might be interested in the "pinfo" package (it's nicer to use than the regular info browser) |
| 08:32.00 | _JECKEL_ | oh yeah? |
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| 08:32.29 | _JECKEL_ | works in terminal. I'm trying to do it all from command line and remote access |
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| 08:35.59 | _JECKEL_ | oh that is nice |
| 08:36.05 | _JECKEL_ | ok thanks for the help guys. nite. |
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| 09:14.26 | giacomo_c | hello, i think i'm having a problem with dpkg |
| 09:14.38 | giacomo_c | but im unsure how to fix it |
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| 09:15.43 | giacomo_c | i keep getting this error whenever i try to upgrade/install/remove any packages via apt-get or aptitude: http://pastebin.com/bK3jEZBr |
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| 09:17.35 | giacomo_c | can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong, and perhaps how to fix it? |
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| 09:18.44 | Glebelg | @ giacomo_c delete file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapm1.list |
| 09:19.26 | Glebelg | @ giacomo_c : and apt-get remove smbfs --purge |
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| 09:19.40 | Glebelg | @ giacomo_c : and apt-get remove libapm1 --purge |
| 09:19.54 | Glebelg | ....forget with smbfs.... |
| 09:20.51 | giacomo_c | hmm, it kept giving me errors about being a readonly file system after i deleted the /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapm1.list |
| 09:21.08 | giacomo_c | and now, i can't open a new terminal, it's just a blank window |
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| 09:21.31 | wols | giacomo_c: maybe you should fsck your filesystem |
| 09:21.53 | Glebelg | ctrl+alt+f1 for terminal... |
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| 09:24.40 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: sounds like either a disk error or filesystem corruption (or both) |
| 09:24.40 | Glebelg | giacomo_c, it "kept"? you didn't mentioned it in your first question... |
| 09:25.05 | Glebelg | +1 for filesystem error... |
| 09:25.18 | Glebelg | reboot and fsck |
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| 09:25.31 | \amethyst | do you have important data on that disk? |
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| 09:25.50 | Glebelg | prey for god to be in a good day... |
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| 09:26.02 | Glebelg | oups... |
| 09:26.04 | maxd | from what software dpkg bot is made? |
| 09:26.16 | \amethyst | Glebelg: if it is a failing disk, fsck is likely to make it worse |
| 09:26.23 | rgr_ | what happened to the repos at http://security.debian.org squeeze-proposed-updates/ ? |
| 09:27.08 | Glebelg | \amethyst, yes? why? stress? |
| 09:27.31 | wols | rgr_: testing has not really a security team. formerly it had none, now it has half of one :) |
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| 09:27.42 | wols | maxd: modified blootbot |
| 09:27.51 | maxd | tnx |
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| 09:28.58 | \amethyst | Glebelg: because, if you tell fsck to fix errors (or if it replays logs etc), it will write to the disk to do it |
| 09:29.52 | \amethyst | Glebelg: which, if the disk is failing, has a chance to make that entire block unreadable |
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| 09:30.35 | giacomo_c | haha, well |
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| 09:30.40 | Glebelg | \amethyst, ok thanks...so only 1 solution...how to know? smart test? |
| 09:30.48 | giacomo_c | i did fsck my system :) |
| 09:30.57 | Glebelg | and? |
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| 09:31.28 | giacomo_c | im still getting that error |
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| 09:32.07 | giacomo_c | it did say there were some problems so i let it fix them, but perhaps i need to try removing libapm again and what not |
| 09:32.13 | Glebelg | which error? "readonly fs" or "dpkg error"? |
| 09:32.13 | wols | giacomo_c: what did fsck say/do? |
| 09:32.46 | giacomo_c | it said there were some orphaned files and something about /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapm1.list having something wrong with it |
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| 09:33.03 | wols | !tell giacomo_c about errors |
| 09:33.12 | Glebelg | remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapm1.list and apt-get remove libapm1 --purge |
| 09:33.27 | giacomo_c | that's what im doing now Glebelg |
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| 09:33.31 | \amethyst | oh, good, if fsck finished, then it's likely that it was just corruption and not the disk going physically bad |
| 09:33.33 | Glebelg | ok |
| 09:34.27 | giacomo_c | haha, \amethyst, i wouldn't doubt the harddrive is going bad though... this is a 6 year old laptop that i haven't been too kind to |
| 09:35.11 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: check the output of smartctl -a /dev/blah (where blah = sda or whatever) |
| 09:35.23 | giacomo_c | after running apt-get remove libapm1 --purge, i was able to run apt-get upgrade and have it successfully install the packages |
| 09:35.27 | giacomo_c | so that seems like a good thing |
| 09:35.30 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: especially the Reallocated_Sector_Count line |
| 09:35.40 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: (smartctl is in package smartmontools) |
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| 09:35.56 | giacomo_c | yeah, i'll install smartmontools |
| 09:36.00 | Glebelg | and according you enabled it in bios... |
| 09:36.10 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: it might also make sense to do smartctl -t long or such to do a self-test |
| 09:36.30 | \amethyst | there are BIOSes that disable SMART? |
| 09:36.32 | giacomo_c | hmm, what does all this do? |
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| 09:37.16 | Glebelg | smart are information about hdd life...running time, errors, etc ...for preventing crashes |
| 09:37.23 | giacomo_c | i see |
| 09:37.58 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 09:39.49 | Glebelg | \amethyst, yes in bios it's the hdd smart capability option.... |
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| 09:40.41 | giacomo_c | hmm, so what's the important stuff in all this output? im very new to this (i did say i was just downloading it :p) |
| 09:40.43 | \amethyst | Glebelg: hm, I guess I've never encountered a machine where it is turned off then |
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| 09:42.09 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: Reallocated Sector Count, Uncorrectable Sector Count, Soft Read Error Rate, and possibly a few others |
| 09:42.13 | giacomo_c | "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" :) |
| 09:42.47 | \amethyst | hm |
| 09:43.12 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: and does it say "No Errors Logged" (after the big table)? |
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| 09:43.56 | giacomo_c | no, no it doesn't |
| 09:44.02 | giacomo_c | it lists a few errors |
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| 09:44.32 | giacomo_c | it has errors 2042 through 2046 |
| 09:44.39 | \amethyst | hm |
| 09:45.24 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: the 'Reallocated_Sector_Ct' line... what number is in the last column? |
| 09:45.55 | giacomo_c | the last column, where it says WHEN_? |
| 09:46.07 | giacomo_c | oh wait, nvm |
| 09:46.07 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: RAW_VALUE |
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| 09:46.15 | giacomo_c | raw vaule is 0 |
| 09:46.17 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: lines are too long for 80 columns :) |
| 09:46.21 | giacomo_c | its just wrapped around :) |
| 09:46.22 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: oh, that much is good then |
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| 09:47.20 | giacomo_c | so it's not failing too bad then? |
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| 09:47.22 | \amethyst | giacomo_c: well, it hasn't yet had to remap a sector because it can no longer read from it |
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| 09:49.08 | \amethyst | the errors that it listed might still be something to be concerned about, depending on what they are and when they happened |
| 09:49.38 | Glebelg | ...1 sec before failling everything seems allright... |
| 09:50.14 | \amethyst | I'm not saying you shouldn't have a backup |
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| 09:55.37 | giacomo_c | woops, i accidently clicked the smile! button in pidgin, and the smiles pack i have always crashes shit :( |
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| 10:00.46 | giacomo_c | but thanks for the help guys, im glad i can finally install stuff/remove stuff again |
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| 10:09.26 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:09.26 | dpkg | <jm_> is your networking working? do you have non-free in sources.list? <sassi2> ofc my network is working and non-free should not be in my list since i dont want to pay right |
| 10:09.43 | liable | hehe |
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| 10:12.11 | nhak | can someone explain how checkinstall works ? |
| 10:12.48 | liable | nhak: does it not have any docs in /usr/share/doc? |
| 10:12.57 | nhak | firstly i run the make install and then generate a rpm-, deb- etc and install it right ? |
| 10:13.00 | cast | nhak: it didn't for a few years :) |
| 10:13.13 | nhak | it* |
| 10:13.13 | liable | basically, it just keeps tabs on stuff you install, so you can get rid of everything when you uninstall it |
| 10:13.35 | cast | i much perfer stow as it keeps your fuckups within /usr/local |
| 10:13.44 | nhak | yeah i know |
| 10:13.49 | EmleyMoor | xstow is better than stow |
| 10:14.01 | cast | EmleyMoor: ahh, whats the improvement? |
| 10:14.11 | EmleyMoor | Does not depend on perl |
| 10:14.54 | EmleyMoor | has used xstow quite heavily |
| 10:14.58 | cast | haha. ok. thats not a downside for me :P |
| 10:16.18 | EmleyMoor | Sometimes I have to fiddle about a bit to get xstow to work well with some of what I want it to look after, but stow would be just as bad |
| 10:17.31 | EmleyMoor | fuse (Spectrum emulator) presented a bit of a challenge - though one day that might end up installable through the package system and free of the bugs that caused me to follow trunk |
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| 10:18.56 | nhak | ok stow is really cool |
| 10:18.58 | nhak | :D |
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| 10:20.34 | nhak | and the trick is just the option --prefix of configure, so you can remove an installed program completely right ? |
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| 10:21.09 | EmleyMoor | nhak: prefix at make install usually |
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| 10:21.55 | EmleyMoor | Compile to run from /usr/local, install to /usr/local/stow/<package> |
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| 10:22.11 | nhak | and stow just create an symlink and helps you to remove it easily |
| 10:22.25 | EmleyMoor | stow makes such symlinks as are necessary |
| 10:22.26 | nhak | EmleyMoor, i mean ./configure --prefix ... |
| 10:23.08 | EmleyMoor | nhak: Recommended to configure as normal, then make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/<packagename> |
| 10:23.22 | EmleyMoor | Not to say your suggestion won't work |
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| 10:31.34 | Griffon | Hi, in my xorg.conf there's no driver section, although I have an intel gfx card. any methods to install that? |
| 10:32.10 | cast | i make a build user, and as root do a install -o build -d /usr/local/stow/<packagename> prior to running ./configure...make...make install |
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| 10:32.22 | cast | that way fubar install scripts can't fuck shit up |
| 10:32.23 | macrobat | nhak: dont use checkinstall http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 10:33.06 | cast | i mean, i run ./configure...make...make install as my buld user :) |
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| 10:35.50 | macrobat | Griffon: install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:36.02 | macrobat | driver is called intel iirc |
| 10:36.24 | Griffon | macrobat, i tried installing but it's already installed :/ |
| 10:36.46 | macrobat | good |
| 10:36.49 | Griffon | macrobat, there should be a driver under device section in xorg.conf right? |
| 10:37.01 | macrobat | you can try starting |
| 10:37.02 | wols | Griffon: the xorg.conf should be empty |
| 10:37.13 | macrobat | X without a xorg.conf |
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| 10:37.39 | Griffon | well how do i make sure that it's installed and working correctly? |
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| 10:37.50 | wols | Griffon: you look at your Xorg logs |
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| 10:41.29 | nmvictor | i installed the cd 1 of lenny an it has no gui, is their a way to launch it or do i need to install cd2 |
| 10:41.47 | mkultra | do you have net access? |
| 10:42.03 | wols | nmvictor: aptitude install xorg |
| 10:42.07 | mkultra | nmvictor, didn't you select desktop during the install? |
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| 10:44.33 | nmvictor | mkultra: how do you do that, right now im installing from dvd and i just used the default "install" option, am i wasting another effort? |
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| 10:45.09 | mkultra | there should be a menu where you can select stuff like desktop, file server, web server, etc. |
| 10:45.14 | wols | nmvictor: run "tasksel" |
| 10:45.59 | wols | nmvictor: you shouldn't have needed to reinstall. almost at the end of the installation, you get a screen where you can chooss different things like "desktop" "webserver" etc |
| 10:46.16 | wols | later, after the install is done, you can get this screen back with running "tasksel" |
| 10:46.18 | nmvictor | wols: |
| 10:46.57 | nmvictor | wols: their was just standard system and mail server, unless i dint scroll down, whch i doubt |
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| 10:47.27 | wols | and I doubt it is only that. there are about half a dozen different ones there |
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| 10:48.26 | nmvictor | wols: marienz : so do i have that opton in the dvd, if so will i still need the network? |
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| 10:48.38 | wols | you do have the option |
| 10:48.48 | wols | if you got the full dvd1 of lenny |
| 10:49.06 | wols | ie the full 4.4GB (you also have the option with CD1 with 700MB) |
| 10:50.53 | nmvictor | wols: thanks, :) i was wonderring how i would work on the terminal like the good old days when everything is getting bad :) |
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| 11:06.11 | nhak | to manage the installed pkg used source file and to remove them easily can i just use ./configure --prefix=/my/path/directory |
| 11:06.48 | nhak | so that when i want to remove them, just delete the appropriate directory in /my/path ? |
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| 11:09.30 | smeea | hello guys. i have an issue with 'make menuconfig' - keys doesn't work and just generate escape sequences ( http://s005.radikal.ru/i209/1003/9d/3cc499565518.png - it is zen-kernel, but same issue with vanilla ). i'm not sure, but i think this is problem with ncurses. any idea? |
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| 11:12.09 | brutus | Hi...whenever I edit fstab to include mounting my ntfs (C drive) partition at startup, my machine becomes manifold slower (because of mount.ntfs) process as shown with top....how do I solve this? |
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| 11:14.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
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| 11:15.37 | cast | how much is manifold slower |
| 11:15.57 | sepisultrum | I'm not sure this is the right channel for this. I get a "configure: error: cannot find install-sh, install.sh, or shtool" error when trying to run a configure script generated using autotools on sid. I've tried copying install-sh to the project directory but it didn't help. Any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 11:32.30 | poppiez | how can I check if a daemon fired from /etc/init.d/ is stopped or started? |
| 11:32.43 | poppiez | in gentoo you have /etc/init.d/<daemon> status |
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| 11:34.35 | o2T7 | poppiez: you can just check if the binary is running (i.e., with ps) |
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| 11:35.34 | poppiez | o2T7: that's true. well, guess I'm too used to gentoo :P |
| 11:35.38 | Devastator | poppiez use /etc/init.d/<daemon>, it will show you valid options, if status is one of them, use it |
| 11:35.57 | poppiez | Devastator: alright. thanks mate |
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| 11:50.18 | wedge | Anyone know how to change ulimit in debian? |
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| 11:51.46 | babilen | wedge: man ulimit and man limits.conf should give you an overview |
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| 11:51.57 | wedge | I've edited limits.conf already |
| 11:52.01 | wedge | but it refuses to take the change :S |
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| 11:52.19 | wedge | sysctl fs.file-max |
| 11:52.26 | wedge | fs.file-max = 24372 |
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| 12:13.36 | xover | hi guys, how do i get a script to run on startup in X? |
| 12:13.50 | xover | I added my script to gnome 'startup scripts' but it has not run. |
| 12:14.08 | Zharf | put it in .xinitrc? |
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| 12:14.28 | zerotech | did you make it executable |
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| 12:16.52 | xover | where is .xinitrc? |
| 12:17.12 | Zharf | ~ |
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| 12:20.06 | wols | xover: it won't exist. so you need to create it |
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| 12:22.13 | xover | I have created a script using the startup scripts menu in gnome, but it doesnt work |
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| 12:31.26 | HackeMate | how to watch tv via internet? for free |
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| 12:33.23 | nmvictor | required to change root password, root enforced, how do i do away with this login step or am i doomed to this after every login?Please help |
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| 12:34.53 | babilen | nmvictor: Could you rephrase that question? |
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| 12:36.39 | nmvictor | babilen: i mean everytime i log in, i get the message "required to change password(root enforced), is that something i have to live with in dabian or their is a way i could do away with it? |
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| 12:37.38 | wols | nmvictor: where are you logging in exactly and as what user? |
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| 12:38.17 | babilen | nmvictor: Is this a local machine you administrate? |
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| 12:38.27 | abrotman | is it even debian ? |
| 12:38.43 | nmvictor | i installed debian in iBook, im logging in as the user created during the installation |
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| 12:39.32 | nmvictor | babilen: this is a local machine i just installed debian in and that was my first boot to the debian system |
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| 12:39.53 | nmvictor | abrotman: its debian, why do you doubt? |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | nmvictor: /etc/login.defs .. I think is what you're looking for |
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| 12:41.07 | wols | sounds like your system date is severely out of date and pam doesn't like i |
| 12:41.08 | wols | it |
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| 12:41.42 | multi_io | less "/pattern" doesn't find the pattern if the line is too long! |
| 12:42.00 | multi_io | what is this, 2010? Or 1980? |
| 12:42.04 | multi_io | man... |
| 12:42.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 12:45.25 | themill | multi_io: does it actually say "Pattern not found"? Less has no problems searching for long lines but it will struggle to display the entire line including the match if it's longer than your screen. |
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| 12:50.19 | multi_io | themill: yes, it says "Pattern not found". |
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| 12:53.41 | themill | multi_io: *shrug* wfm. Are you sure the pattern is actually in there? |
| 12:53.45 | nmvictor | im sorry i was disconnected due to a reboot, so using the etc/login.defs file, how am i supposed to remove the "Required to change password(root enforced)" settings, |
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| 12:55.00 | multi_io | themill: "grep pattern thefile" prints the line. |
| 12:55.14 | multi_io | the pattern is "spiegel", so nothing complicated |
| 12:55.26 | multi_io | the line is ~85000 characters long |
| 12:56.54 | multi_io | the file is a regular text file, created by firefox (bookmarks backup), so no pathological/theoretical case |
| 12:57.11 | wols | nmvictor: check your system date |
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| 12:59.43 | nmvictor | wols: yea, just google and i stumbled on that, i have another problem with my screen which i was going to ask so for now i can only do that in failsafe terminal, is it possible; maybe by passing some arguments to time-admin command? |
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| 13:00.48 | themill | !dbugs 153576 |
| 13:00.52 | dpkg | #153576:N[less] Search is broken on very long lines (); Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:03:01 UTC [] |
| 13:01.15 | themill | multi_io: and so it is.... (I can reproduce that still in lenny). You might like to just use vim for that file :) |
| 13:02.41 | multi_io | thanks for pointing to the bug report, themill |
| 13:02.56 | multi_io | 2002, haha |
| 13:03.25 | multi_io | so at least we're in the 2000s already :P |
| 13:04.37 | wols | nmvictor: what "time-admin" command? |
| 13:05.04 | wols | multi_io: 2002 the bug was found.doesn't mean it wasn't in there much much longer :) |
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| 13:07.18 | wols | themill: in the bugreport, the pattern is found. For multi_io it isn't |
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| 13:11.32 | multi_io | hm, yeah, that bugreport is about a different issue |
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| 13:13.12 | multi_io | investigates |
| 13:14.16 | multi_io | the file I had the problem with only has one line |
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| 13:16.36 | nmvictor | i have a problem with my screen, its divided like into two potions and side just darkened, is thier a way to fix this? |
| 13:16.38 | medicineman | good mornin' |
| 13:16.41 | multi_io | yeah, that was the problem. it marks the found pattern, but printts "Pattern not found" at the same time |
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| 13:17.22 | multi_io | one could say that that's a bug too, but it doesn't have to do with long lines |
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| 13:18.47 | nmvictor | is their a command to try and fix x in debian? |
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| 13:20.40 | adb | X -configure ? |
| 13:21.04 | boodie | Hi: can anybody advise a C/C++ IDE (I'm a baginner btw)? I've tried kdevelop and found it cumbersome |
| 13:21.25 | adb | anjuta |
| 13:21.39 | dutchfish | boodie: geany ? |
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| 13:22.11 | boodie | geany? Is it available in the repositories? |
| 13:22.18 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 13:23.01 | boodie | I've looked; indeed it is |
| 13:23.46 | boodie | I'll try it; thanx |
| 13:24.05 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:25.12 | nmvictor | adb: that aint working, is their something i could install , maybe an update that would try and fix X? |
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| 13:25.16 | abrotman | boodie: anjuta |
| 13:25.25 | boodie | anjuta? |
| 13:25.33 | abrotman | judd: info anjuta --release lenny |
| 13:25.35 | judd | anjuta (gnome, optional): A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. Version: 2:2.4.2-1+lenny1; Size: 2042.7k; Installed: 4632k; Homepage: http://www.anjuta.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/anjuta |
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| 13:26.14 | abrotman | dpkg: themill++ |
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| 13:27.15 | nmvictor | !X |
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| 13:28.45 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have a small problem. I make a small script with sed and redirect to a file, no problem, but if a redirect to a variable all go to a single line. |
| 13:29.01 | EduardeCalibal | Format is like this: variable=`commands` |
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| 13:29.49 | EduardeCalibal | ie.: variable=`cat file.txt` |
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| 13:29.49 | farri | do you know about some high definition webcam working on linux? |
| 13:30.29 | farri | and even more, do you know about some high definition webcam working on linux offering raw output for later ffmpeg processing? |
| 13:30.38 | EduardeCalibal | farri, hight definition is like 1MPixel? |
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| 13:31.07 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: #bash |
| 13:31.23 | EduardeCalibal | thanks. |
| 13:31.28 | farri | 1Mpixel? hmmm don't know, perhaps one that supports more than 640x480 could be considered high def in this |
| 13:31.53 | farri | lets say more than 640x480 at 30fps |
| 13:31.57 | EduardeCalibal | 300KPixel this definition. |
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| 13:32.35 | farri | then yes, 1Mpixel |
| 13:32.43 | farri | for video, not photo |
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| 13:32.49 | farri | 1mpixel video |
| 13:32.54 | farri | smooth video |
| 13:33.19 | farri | and if more than 1mpixel better |
| 13:33.25 | EduardeCalibal | I dont know about raw output but many cameras with this definition work in my linux. I record some videos to. |
| 13:33.26 | farri | know about some? |
| 13:34.02 | farri | the people at ffmpeg channel told me to look for one with raw video output, so that later ffmpeg can process it |
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| 13:34.40 | dutchfish | farri: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 13:34.42 | farri | what cameras are you using? which is the one you are using with the highest quality? |
| 13:34.45 | frikinz | hum that reminds me of a question I had, how can I find out the characteritics about my webcam? |
| 13:34.55 | adb | nmvictor, try #debianppc |
| 13:35.03 | nhak | how can i create the mailfolder in mutt ? |
| 13:35.12 | farri | frikinz: finding specs of webcams can be a madness |
| 13:35.45 | frikinz | there must be a program to do it |
| 13:36.21 | farri | frikinz: I was checking IP cams also, and they offer a datasheet with all technical data, webcams just say, it can connect to msn |
| 13:36.29 | farri | as if webcam users were subnormal |
| 13:36.53 | frikinz | cheese -v gives some output |
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| 13:37.24 | frikinz | yes, cheese does the job in fact |
| 13:37.34 | abrotman | frikinz: good call .. 1280x800 .. yay, or something |
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| 13:38.02 | abrotman | oh .. 1280x1024 ... |
| 13:38.37 | frikinz | hum 640x480 here, integrated in my lappy |
| 13:38.54 | frikinz | v4l2src name=video_source device=/dev/video0 ! capsfilter name=capsfilter caps=video/x-raw-rgb,width=640,height=480,framerate=30/1;video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=30/1 ! identity |
| 13:38.56 | abrotman | so is this one .. but my laptop is fairly new |
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| 13:43.02 | frikinz | abrotman, let me dream. what is your laptop? mine is a pavillon dv7 .. can't find which one though (digs in dmidecode) |
| 13:44.43 | abrotman | frikinz: what's my laptop or what's my webcam ? |
| 13:44.49 | frikinz | laptop |
| 13:45.15 | abrotman | frikinz: thinkpad T500 |
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| 13:48.22 | niekvlessert | hello, running xen on lenny, trying to install a new debian in xen, the debian installer can't find the harddisk, common issue? |
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| 13:52.01 | EduardeCalibal | niekvlesset, I have same problem with some bios, try use generic for sata device. The boot option is... I dont remember. Sorry. |
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| 13:52.36 | niekvlessert | i use a file created with dd for disk |
| 13:53.19 | EduardeCalibal | I dont know about use images with install, sorry. |
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| 13:54.21 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 13:54.22 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 13:54.55 | niekvlessert | disk = ['phy:/root/vm/debian-xen.img,/dev/xvda,w'] now |
| 13:54.55 | niekvlessert | [14:51] jens_: niekvlessert, phy is for native partions, I think you should use file: for image files |
| 13:54.58 | niekvlessert | that was it |
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| 13:56.46 | nmvictor | i have tried to check for update and i cant see any updates available, that doesnt llok right since i just installed debian, any sugestions? |
| 13:57.01 | Shapeshifter | Hi there. How can I check if a packae "foo" is currently installed? dpkg -s shows it even if it's uninstalled now... |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: dpkg -l ? apt-cache policy ? |
| 13:58.58 | Shapeshifter | abrotman: both give funny output. |
| 13:59.06 | Shapeshifter | and the exit code is always 0 |
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| 13:59.24 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 13:59.36 | Shapeshifter | abrotman: I need to know if the app is installed or not. |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: so what's wrong with dpkg -l ? |
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| 14:00.44 | niekvlessert | Shapeshifter: ii in the beginning of dpkg -l means installed |
| 14:00.47 | Shapeshifter | abrotman: it gives some funny outpout I'd need to sed to make it understandable in my app. I mean, dpkg -l is already hard to read as a human. |
| 14:00.54 | Shapeshifter | niekvlessert: ah. and rc? |
| 14:01.05 | themill | Shapeshifter: there's dpkg-query for this too. |
| 14:01.43 | Shapeshifter | themill: for some reason, dpkg -l and dpkg-query -l have the exact same output. well, I'll admit this isn't debian but maemo. *looks to the ground* |
| 14:01.58 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: it tells you at the top of the dpkg -l output how to figure out the status |
| 14:02.28 | Shapeshifter | abrotman: it does? http://pastie.org/867859 |
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| 14:02.42 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: those four lines at the top .. |
| 14:02.47 | niekvlessert | google: I believe that rc = reconfigured and pi = pre-installation finished I agree with Gnome Freak on the ii = installed not sure about anymore of them |
| 14:02.56 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: see the lines .. they draw |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | niekvlessert: rc is not reconfigured |
| 14:03.47 | niekvlessert | abrotman: ok, was just googling. I know rc means not installed, so that's all I wanted to now to this day :) |
| 14:03.49 | Shapeshifter | how complicated. well thanks for your help in any case :) |
| 14:04.20 | themill | Shapeshifter: the status is far more sophisticated that just "installed" or "not installed". |
| 14:04.37 | niekvlessert | *know |
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| 14:04.50 | flo|linux | hi |
| 14:05.01 | niekvlessert | So the R is reinstall required |
| 14:05.13 | niekvlessert | and C = Cfg-files, which means? |
| 14:05.25 | flo|linux | when i install xfce 4.6 in lenny via backports, will some system update try to install the xfce 4.4 from the "normal" repos? |
| 14:05.35 | Shapeshifter | themill: I wonder when people actually need all these different statii |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | flo|linux: it shouldn't |
| 14:05.56 | abrotman | niekvlessert: no, rc does not mean reinstall required |
| 14:06.01 | themill | Shapeshifter: as soon as things go wrong. |
| 14:06.07 | Shapeshifter | themill: they shouldn't go wrong >.> |
| 14:06.09 | themill | Shapeshifter: you may also want to actually read the man page for dpkg-query. dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package |
| 14:06.46 | nmvictor | how do i add debian repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:06.46 | niekvlessert | then i don't get it :) |
| 14:07.11 | niekvlessert | nmvictor: paste rule which you think it is here |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | niekvlessert: you didn't follow the lines correctly |
| 14:07.37 | Shapeshifter | themill: thanks |
| 14:07.56 | niekvlessert | abrotman: i tried, but the only capital R in there is Reinstall-required |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | no. you did it wrong |
| 14:08.08 | niekvlessert | sorry; to quick; Remove |
| 14:08.32 | niekvlessert | abrotman: how should I read it then? |
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| 14:08.48 | abrotman | follow the lines .. it's not that hard |
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| 14:10.40 | nmvictor | niekvlessert: i just discovered my problem, i think installation of debian officially supported software is not enabled yet, any idea on how i could do that? |
| 14:10.46 | niekvlessert | ah after looking away for a minute my eyes now understand the Ascii art :) |
| 14:11.40 | niekvlessert | deb http://ftp.surfnet.nl/os/Linux/distr/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | if he's using lenny ... |
| 14:15.31 | nmvictor | why is it too hard to pick up as a newbie in debian than its was in ubuntu, does debian have any meanin to do with "Humanity for all" where the system is run as a community?No wonder ubuntu remains the most used even after it was built inn debian.what am saying is why isnt someone answering? |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | answering what? |
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| 14:16.18 | frikinz | is there something to display the dpkg status history, for say the last month. I have had to develop my own minimal tool ( http://debian.pastebin.com/97rh7nS5 )cause I did not find any. Or does something exist? |
| 14:16.19 | themill | !volunteers |
| 14:16.19 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 14:16.35 | wols | frikinz: what status? |
| 14:16.47 | babilen | nmvictor: Are you referring to contrib and non-free? |
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| 14:16.57 | frikinz | wols, what are the last packages installed, uninstalled, purged, ... all |
| 14:17.05 | wols | frikinz: /var/log/dpkg* |
| 14:17.17 | frikinz | wols, yeah well.. something that displays it nicely.. |
| 14:17.20 | frikinz | :) |
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| 14:17.35 | flo|linux | what's the cleanest way to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 14:17.42 | frikinz | wols, look at the link I posted, at least it's a start |
| 14:17.48 | flo|linux | simply changing the sources.list? |
| 14:18.19 | frikinz | I find it quite important, esp. when an upgrade goes bad.. |
| 14:18.29 | babilen | nmvictor: Or do you mean that you haven't enabled a repository in your sources.list? "/msg dpkg factoid" for factoid in {contrib, non-free, sources.list} should get you some information :) |
| 14:18.44 | abrotman | !tell flo|linux about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:19.25 | nmvictor | babilen: thanks, i think that was the case, is their a command to do that?I hate GUI |
| 14:19.45 | babilen | flo|linux: Also read the lenny release notes for lenny. A lot of the tips and best practices apply to an upgrade from lenny to squeeze as well |
| 14:19.53 | babilen | nmvictor: do what? |
| 14:20.52 | nmvictor | babilen: enable the repositories? |
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| 14:21.34 | babilen | nmvictor: $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update (replace $EDITOR with editor of choice) |
| 14:21.39 | babilen | !tell nmvictor -about sources.list |
| 14:21.55 | flo|linux | dpkg told me "Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile)". which other repos are "stable-specific"? |
| 14:21.56 | babilen | !tell nmvictor -about mirrors |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | flo|linux: that's too long |
| 14:22.12 | wols | flo|linux: all for stable |
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| 14:22.33 | themill | flo|linux: if you don't know that, perhaps you should hold off upgrading to testing until you know more about how debian works |
| 14:22.34 | abrotman | flo|linux: do you have any non-official repos ? |
| 14:22.47 | flo|linux | abrotman, backports |
| 14:23.08 | wols | flo|linux: duh! |
| 14:23.23 | flo|linux | wols, ? |
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| 14:23.43 | meowbuntu | hi i am doing an update in terminal. its been stuck on 99% [2 Packages bzip2 0] for 25mins what is going on |
| 14:23.51 | flo|linux | i dunno if they're "official"... they werent installed on the beginning |
| 14:24.08 | wols | flo|linux: just think very hard if backports are stable specific |
| 14:24.58 | flo|linux | i think it should be fine to replace lenny with squeeze there, is that correct? |
| 14:25.09 | babilen | meowbuntu: Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 14:25.45 | wols | flo|linux: yes. thinking is hard. what are backports again? |
| 14:25.53 | wols | flo|linux: and why do you need them? |
| 14:26.26 | flo|linux | hm, well, because i want single packages from squeeze or sid ;) |
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| 14:27.31 | themill | meowbuntu: please ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 14:28.13 | Shapeshifter | does dpkg -l foo also show packages like foobar or barfoo? or does it only show the package with that exact name? |
| 14:28.35 | themill | Shapeshifter: tias! |
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| 14:31.15 | meowbuntu | bawho says i'm using ubuntu |
| 14:31.53 | azeem_ | meowbuntu: then ask in #ubuntu |
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| 14:36.54 | wols | Shapeshifter: it doesn't. but dpkg -l foo* shows foobar |
| 14:37.04 | MrBoss | the debian 32 can use more 4gb ram? |
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| 14:37.26 | wols | yes it can. you can even run a amd64 kernel |
| 14:37.48 | wols | a single process can only use 2-3.5GB of RAM however, depending how the kernel was compiled |
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| 14:38.16 | MrBoss | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:38.25 | Shapeshifter | wols: thanks |
| 14:40.37 | MrBoss | wols 2.6.33 i can use more 4gb ? |
| 14:40.58 | wols | MrBoss: have you checked what kernels are available for you? |
| 14:41.01 | Titan8990 | MrBoss: no, the one that says -bigmem |
| 14:41.07 | wols | and have you actually read it? |
| 14:41.45 | MrBoss | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 14:42.58 | abrotman | MrBoss: 'aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem' |
| 14:43.22 | flo|linux | how do i setup xscreensaver so that the daemon starts always` |
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| 14:44.56 | azeem_ | flo|linux: add it to your session |
| 14:45.11 | Shapeshifter | so, could someone please tell his opinion on this way of telling if a package is installed? [[ $(dpkg -l microb-sengine 2>&1 | tail -n 1 | awk {'print $1'}) == "ii" ]] |
| 14:45.14 | Shapeshifter | Anything quicker? |
| 14:45.17 | flo|linux | where (using gdm)? |
| 14:45.33 | azeem_ | flo|linux: gdm is not a session, that's a display manager |
| 14:45.52 | flo|linux | i know that it's a DM. but i dunno if maybe gdm starts a new x session |
| 14:45.52 | azeem_ | or do you want to have xscreensaver work for you login screen? |
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| 14:45.57 | flo|linux | i don't want |
| 14:46.02 | Gifford | folks in which deb is "wxWidgets 2.8 shared library and header files" ? |
| 14:46.05 | azeem_ | flo|linux: yes, but how is this relevant? |
| 14:46.21 | Gifford | is this it? - libwxbase2.8-0 - wxBase library (runtime) - non-GUI support classes of wxWidgets toolkit |
| 14:46.32 | azeem_ | Gifford: those are not the header files |
| 14:46.36 | azeem_ | they are in the -dev package |
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| 14:46.54 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: couldn't you just grep ii ? |
| 14:46.56 | azeem_ | also, you probably want the GUI version, not the non-GUI one |
| 14:46.58 | Gifford | this? |
| 14:46.58 | Gifford | libwxbase2.6-dev - wxBase library (development) - non-GUI support classes of wxWidgets toolkit |
| 14:47.05 | Gifford | oops |
| 14:47.12 | Shapeshifter | abrotman: what if a packge is named "cwiid" |
| 14:47.15 | Gifford | libwxbase2.8-dev - wxBase library (development) - non-GUI support classes of wxWidgets toolkit |
| 14:47.22 | azeem_ | 15:45 < azeem_> also, you probably want the GUI version, not the non-GUI one |
| 14:47.26 | Shapeshifter | ah you mean grep for ^ii$ |
| 14:47.29 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: oh come on .. egrep "^ii" .. use your head ... |
| 14:47.40 | abrotman | runs away |
| 14:48.09 | Gifford | azeem_: you telling me? which one is GUI there? the gtk one? |
| 14:48.14 | wols | Gifford: as you can see it's in several |
| 14:48.21 | Gifford | libwxgtk2.8-dev - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ development) |
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| 14:48.38 | azeem_ | Gifford: I guess, I have no idea what you are actually trying to achieve |
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| 14:48.52 | Gifford | I am trying to build truecrypt without GUI |
| 14:49.11 | themill | Shapeshifter: "if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^ii; then ... ; fi" (or use dpkg-query and skip the grep) |
| 14:49.16 | Gifford | and it lists "wxWidgets 2.8 shared library and header files" as a requrement |
| 14:49.17 | wols | Gifford: apt-cache show will enlighten you in no time |
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| 14:49.24 | wols | better than for us to prechew everything |
| 14:49.25 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: aptitude search '~i~nmicrob-sengine' ? |
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| 14:49.39 | francisco | I need your help |
| 14:49.43 | wols | Gifford: then ask truecrypt what their software needs. not us |
| 14:49.54 | Gifford | wols: you didn't understand, I am trying to find out which one "of the ones show by apt cache" is needed |
| 14:50.05 | babilen | francisco: with what? |
| 14:50.06 | Shapeshifter | okay thanks guys |
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| 14:50.11 | wols | Gifford: how should we know what some random project needs? |
| 14:50.19 | abrotman | waits for themill to lart abrotman for bad aptitude searching |
| 14:50.35 | wols | Gifford: you think we know all the millions of projects out there not packaged for debian and their depdencies? |
| 14:50.37 | Gifford | wols: oh, you didn't read what I asked |
| 14:50.38 | Titan8990 | !truecrypt |
| 14:50.38 | dpkg | from memory, truecrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, ITP in bug #413070. http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 14:50.43 | themill | abrotman: nah.. that'd be fine. Just not fast. |
| 14:50.50 | Gifford | wols: read this - <Gifford> folks in which deb is "wxWidgets 2.8 shared library and header files" ? |
| 14:50.55 | francisco | babilen: how can i install debian + xfce, with only an ubs wireless card? |
| 14:50.58 | abrotman | themill: speed was not a requirement! |
| 14:51.03 | themill | abrotman: well.. and you need to anchor your name pattern |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | no! |
| 14:51.32 | babilen | francisco: No other I/O devices? |
| 14:51.42 | wols | Gifford: you showed you already found the headers. so why asking? |
| 14:51.49 | babilen | francisco: usb for example? |
| 14:52.02 | azeem_ | Gifford: wxwidgets is a big project, there are several modules |
| 14:52.03 | Gifford | wols: I didn't show nothing but my confusion, read carefully |
| 14:52.24 | wols | Gifford: we cannot know which one of them exactly you need. Can not. |
| 14:52.26 | francisco | babilen: I need an internet conexion first |
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| 14:52.49 | Titan8990 | francisco: what kind of usb wireless? |
| 14:52.53 | Gifford | lol there are different wxWidgets 2.8 ? |
| 14:52.57 | babilen | francisco: You have no cd/dvd drive, no usb *only* a usb wireless card and want to install Debian? |
| 14:53.14 | macrobat | rube goldberg install? |
| 14:53.18 | babilen | francisco: That does not make sense :) |
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| 14:53.34 | francisco | babilen: pardon, I have a cd/dvd drive |
| 14:53.35 | wols | Gifford: what you do is you check which header files it actually references and then you go to packages.debian.org and search for that header file. then you get to know in which packages it is. that's the long way. thinking for less than 2 seconds and install the stuff you ALREADY FOUND is the easy way. but knowing you, it's too easy I guess |
| 14:53.38 | _heiko | how can i get eclipse running on sid? |
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| 14:54.06 | _heiko | error: no support for the integrated browser no JDK found in ../kafe/... |
| 14:54.10 | francisco | Titan8990: i have rt73 card wireless |
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| 14:54.17 | babilen | francisco: OK - You can download the CD1 image (xfce edition) and use that install a quite complete system. |
| 14:54.32 | babilen | francisco: We can then work on your wireless card. |
| 14:54.32 | Gifford | wols: hehehe, nervous? |
| 14:54.34 | wols | !tell _heiko about install java |
| 14:54.38 | Titan8990 | francisco: is it an alfa wireless? |
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| 14:54.43 | wols | puts the sunday moron on ignore |
| 14:54.58 | wols | _heiko: I suggest to install Sun's java for eclipse |
| 14:55.06 | francisco | Titan8990: i have an alpha network too |
| 14:55.14 | Gifford | you need to visit psychiatrist |
| 14:55.27 | babilen | Gifford: No insults please |
| 14:55.34 | Titan8990 | francisco: the alfa G cards with rtl8187 should work out-of-the box without a need for firmware installation |
| 14:55.36 | themill | Gifford: we can only help you help yourself here. You've been shown the tools, you have to use them yourself. |
| 14:55.44 | Gifford | babilen: and this is not an insult? - * wols puts the sunday moron on ignore |
| 14:56.18 | babilen | Gifford: Yes it is. Just keep calm :) |
| 14:56.40 | Gifford | ok then make that moron who called me moron calm |
| 14:56.45 | francisco | Titan8990: i think, it doesn't work without any previous internet conexion |
| 14:56.56 | pngwn | Gifford, just ignore it |
| 14:57.02 | themill | Gifford: just move on... |
| 14:57.36 | Gifford | ok)thanks you are guy such big helpers I don't what I would do without you! LOL |
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| 14:58.06 | xok | hello guys.. |
| 14:58.16 | xok | I've got fresh install of Debian lenny.. |
| 14:58.32 | xok | but upon reboot, the system doesn't have networking turned on... |
| 14:58.33 | themill | Gifford: we can't answer your question any more than to tell you how to answer it yourself. Which is what has already been done. packages.debian.org, apt-cache and/or apt-file. |
| 14:58.36 | flo|linux | i need the xfce4-power-manager program, using lenny. however, it's not in the lenny repos... how can i install it though? |
| 14:58.43 | francisco | Titan8990: what do you mean, out-of-box,,,,, with out internet conexion? |
| 14:58.55 | xok | I have to manually turn it on using dhclient.. |
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| 14:59.16 | xok | neither start up nor /etc/init.d/networking start works.. |
| 14:59.16 | wols | xok: is it listed in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:59.19 | flo|linux | it's in squeeze and in sid, but not in lenny, nor in the backports :( |
| 14:59.23 | xok | what could be the problem and how to solve it?.. |
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| 14:59.29 | xok | wols: yes, it is.. |
| 14:59.42 | xok | they are actually.. |
| 14:59.57 | xok | I've got multiple NICs, neither works.. |
| 15:00.09 | wols | xok: check your logs then |
| 15:00.14 | nervousTwitch | i have had issues with aptitude hanging at headers is that most likely a sources.list issue? |
| 15:00.25 | xok | wols: which ones?.. |
| 15:00.38 | wols | syslog and the kernel log |
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| 15:01.17 | pedro1254 | hey. |
| 15:01.24 | francisco | has anyone have an alpha network with debian xfce? |
| 15:01.35 | xok | wols: thanks, I've found a solution... |
| 15:01.36 | wols | francisco: what is an alpha network? |
| 15:01.44 | coolface | i run debian with xfce |
| 15:01.51 | coolface | i dont know what you mean by alpha network though |
| 15:02.07 | xok | addresses were with only one d.. :-D |
| 15:02.10 | francisco | coolface: it's an usb wireless card |
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| 15:03.09 | pedro1254 | how od |
| 15:03.18 | pedro1254 | how does Debian install proprietary drivers? |
| 15:03.26 | wols | pedro1254: unwillingly |
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| 15:03.39 | wols | pedro1254: which proprietary driver do you want to install? |
| 15:04.19 | pedro1254 | Broadcom WiFi |
| 15:04.32 | wols | for which PCI ID? |
| 15:05.05 | wols | pedro1254: /msg dpkg wl |
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| 15:05.48 | babilen | francisco: Paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please |
| 15:06.15 | francisco | babilen: i can't do it |
| 15:06.23 | babilen | francisco: err, make that lsusb sorry |
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| 15:06.31 | babilen | francisco: Ah, how come? |
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| 15:07.19 | francisco | babilen: I'm working with untylinux |
| 15:07.34 | abrotman | francisco: this channel is for Debian |
| 15:07.40 | babilen | francisco: I told you how you can install Debian without a network connection using the CD1 image (xfce). That contains everyhting you'll need to get the system running. We can work on getting your wifi to behave afterwards. |
| 15:07.43 | _heiko | !java |
| 15:07.43 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:08.03 | wols | !tell _heiko about msgthebot |
| 15:08.05 | babilen | _heiko: "/msg dpkg <factoid>" works well :) |
| 15:08.24 | francisco | babilen: and that dislike me, so i want to install debian with a fast interface |
| 15:08.39 | abrotman | francisco: Unity Linux isn't even based on Debian |
| 15:08.57 | francisco | abrotman: i know that |
| 15:08.57 | babilen | francisco: huh? Isn't installing from CD faster than using wifi? |
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| 15:10.05 | francisco | babilen: I can't understand you |
| 15:10.26 | wols | francisco: do you have a CD burner? does the PC you want to install debian on have a CD ROM drive? |
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| 15:10.52 | francisco | babilen: I have a cd burner |
| 15:11.01 | babilen | francisco: There is not much we can do. You could try to see if your wifi adaptor is supported in newer kernels. There are images available from kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) that come with newer kernels. If you need firmware you should "/msg dpkg installer firmware" to learn how to provide that. |
| 15:11.32 | wols | !es |
| 15:11.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:11.46 | babilen | francisco: You want to install Debian with XFCE, don't you? The easiest way to do that given that your wifi adaptor is not supported is to use the CD1 image that comes with XFCE |
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| 15:12.26 | francisco | babilen: ok, thank you very much |
| 15:13.06 | babilen | francisco: Once you've installed Debian, come back here and we can work on your wifi. |
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| 15:15.23 | francisco | babilen: If first I install Debian, and my wifi adaptor not supported it, i couldn't come back with you. Because I have an only wireless internet conexion |
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| 15:16.44 | babilen | francisco: You are using linux (whatever flavour) now? |
| 15:17.26 | babilen | francisco: I am not familiar with your USB adaptor and therefore don't know what you need to do (if anything) to get it working on Linux |
| 15:17.28 | francisco | babilen: yes, i'm using it |
| 15:18.17 | babilen | francisco: "uname -r" and "lsusb -vv" --> http://paste.debian.net please :) |
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| 15:18.48 | babilen | francisco: Seems like your wifi adaptor is supported with linux ... |
| 15:19.23 | babilen | francisco: It might still be that it is only supported by recent kernels. |
| 15:19.33 | francisco | babilen: I'm going to install debian fist and try my usb wireless card adaptor |
| 15:19.43 | dutchfish | on catamaran it will take 'just' a bit longer |
| 15:20.53 | babilen | francisco: If you indeed need a newer kernel try the kmuto images. |
| 15:21.14 | francisco | babilen: thank you!! |
| 15:21.17 | babilen | francisco: But there is not much we can do, if we don't have any information about your wifi adaptor |
| 15:21.22 | babilen | francisco: good luck |
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| 15:21.47 | _heiko | eclipse still doesnt want to start: same errors wrong browser, no sdk found in ..kafe.. although i just installed the sun-sdk |
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| 15:22.19 | asarch | Hi guy! What is the name of the package in order to use the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wireless card? |
| 15:22.28 | asarch | It used to be intel-* |
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| 15:22.51 | wols | _heiko: then point your java to the proper jre (via update-alternatives) or uninstall kaffe |
| 15:22.55 | abrotman | asarch: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:23.12 | _heiko | wols: thx |
| 15:23.16 | asarch | Thank you very much abrotman |
| 15:23.18 | asarch | Thank you |
| 15:23.50 | themill | dpkg: tell _heiko about update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:23.59 | abrotman | asarch: FWIW .. apt-cache search 3945 |
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| 15:25.53 | asarch | How can this package be used at installation time abrotman_ |
| 15:25.56 | asarch | ? |
| 15:26.06 | asarch | Do I need to uncompress it? |
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| 15:26.28 | asarch | My laptop can't use its Ethernet port since my dog pull the wire |
| 15:26.31 | _heiko | themil: thank you! |
| 15:26.36 | asarch | I only can you its wireless card |
| 15:27.02 | babilen | !tell asarch -about installer firmware |
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| 15:28.36 | abrotman | asarch: maybe you should fix the dog ? |
| 15:29.36 | _heiko | pdate-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 15:29.37 | _heiko | update-alternatives: error: Keine Alternativen für mozilla-javaplugin.so. |
| 15:29.40 | _heiko | hm |
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| 15:33.25 | asarch | lol :-( |
| 15:33.36 | asarch | I mean, lol :-) |
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| 15:34.20 | dboehmer | hello |
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| 15:34.38 | dboehmer | i need some help setting up initramfs for entering init |
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| 15:34.53 | dboehmer | i was given a initramfs shell after power on |
| 15:35.06 | dboehmer | i don't know exactly what to do |
| 15:35.19 | gh0st | why on kernel boot i have modprobe tained G: version of kernel and everything is 0xf000 or something and is pupmping it says "tracing, but is trying" compile is a ok i think i touched something in debian but i can't remember what? |
| 15:35.20 | dboehmer | i mounted my root device on /root but how to exec init? |
| 15:35.22 | wols | dboehmer: do you use RAID? |
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| 15:35.39 | wols | dboehmer: /sbin/init ? |
| 15:35.59 | dboehmer | wols, i have an encrypted hda2 root partition. well, i sort of screwed up everything. |
| 15:36.08 | wols | dboehmer: you need to check your bootloader config file most likely to give it the proper deviecname for your / |
| 15:36.21 | dboehmer | before i had lvm2 |
| 15:36.22 | wols | ah, that explains it |
| 15:36.36 | gh0st | or some packet conflicts with new kernels... |
| 15:36.45 | dboehmer | when booting the initrd it tries to find the lvm volume |
| 15:37.18 | wols | a new initrd is created when you dpkg-reconfigure your kernel package |
| 15:37.30 | dboehmer | however, i reformatted my compact flash card (which hosts my target system) and removed the swap device |
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| 15:37.47 | dboehmer | with only one partition i decided to save all the lvm hassle |
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| 15:38.16 | dboehmer | wols, i mounted all of this on another pc, chrooted into it and ran "update-initramfs -u" |
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| 15:38.57 | dboehmer | i changed /etc/{crypttab,fstab} before updating initrd but it still needs the lvm |
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| 15:39.03 | dboehmer | where to disable lvm? |
| 15:39.31 | dboehmer | or what to do in this initramfs shell? i mounted everyhting all right but /sbin/init needs some cruel args |
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| 15:43.38 | omajgat | Hi, i try install apache, and after install, got error with X, when i run 'startx' return:waiting fox xserv. to shutdown fre fontpatch:FPE /usr/share/fonts/x11/misc refcounts is 2, shuld be 1, fixing. |
| 15:43.51 | omajgat | where is problem ? ;/ |
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| 15:47.03 | eptalon | hello all: Is there anything special to look out for when setting up debian on an atom/ion platform? |
| 15:47.27 | abrotman | eptalon: seemed to install fine here |
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| 15:48.53 | eptalon | abrotman: its an i386 arch? |
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| 15:49.05 | eptalon | or amd64? |
| 15:49.13 | abrotman | depends on the actual CPU |
| 15:49.23 | abrotman | i386 if you're unsure |
| 15:49.38 | Titan8990 | I don't think any of the atoms are amd64 |
| 15:49.48 | Titan8990 | but they are always coming out with new stuff.... |
| 15:49.49 | coolface | theyre not |
| 15:49.52 | coolface | i386 |
| 15:50.23 | abrotman | some of them are |
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| 15:51.07 | abrotman | Atom implements the x86 (IA-32) instruction set; x86-64 is so far only activated for the desktop Diamondville and desktop and mobile Pineview cores. The Atom N2xx and Z5xx series Atom models cannot run x86-64 code.[16] |
| 15:51.19 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Architecture |
| 15:51.46 | Titan8990 | abrotman: dude... I was in the middle copy and pasting that |
| 15:51.57 | Titan8990 | a smaller section of it however |
| 15:52.20 | eptalon | abrotman: Would you say a RAID on such a system is too much cpu load? |
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| 15:52.30 | abrotman | eptalon: depends on the actual CPU |
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| 15:53.52 | ax-ax | hm |
| 15:53.57 | ax-ax | clementine seems nice |
| 15:54.10 | ax-ax | except there's no context view |
| 15:54.30 | ax-ax | but whatever |
| 15:54.48 | eptalon | abrotman: Atom 330 |
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| 15:55.47 | abrotman | eptalon: and the load on the machine .. etc .. |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | eptalon: you won't know until you do some testing .. i'd imagine it should be fine though |
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| 15:57.50 | eptalon | abrotman: thats going to be a "media box", with perhaps some web-surfing, and possibly full hd video watching |
| 15:58.20 | abrotman | eptalon: still have to do some testing |
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| 15:58.29 | abrotman | eptalon: are you sure the CPU is enough to do the rendering for the video ? |
| 15:58.56 | eptalon | abrotman: I am not sure, should i get a cerely instead? |
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| 15:59.19 | abrotman | eptalon: you'd have to do testing ... |
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| 15:59.51 | Titan8990 | I am sure if you google around you can find someone else who has done some testing.. |
| 15:59.55 | eptalon | abrotman: My current box (Pentium D) has some problems with streaming full hd. |
| 16:00.16 | Titan8990 | video card is pretty important for that |
| 16:00.29 | Titan8990 | I would imagine intel GPUs would be far from ideal |
| 16:01.41 | eptalon | Titan8990: the current box is a "Server", so does not have a dedicated video card. |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | Titan8990: works fine for me here .. |
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| 16:02.28 | pipeline_ | Titan8990: video card isn't necessarily important |
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| 16:02.38 | pipeline_ | eptalon: are you playing the content on the pentium D, or serving it ? |
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| 16:03.06 | eptalon | pipeline_: currently servinbg it; its mostly played on an amd64 laptop. |
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| 16:03.32 | abrotman | eptalon: by 'media box' i thought you meant like attached to your tv |
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| 16:04.06 | pipeline_ | eptalon: ok then you have a real problem. One should not expect to PLAY content on a pentium D, but you should definitely be able to serve it. There are two likely culprits: lousy networking, lousy IO. The latter is easy to investigate using the 'sysstat' package. |
| 16:04.23 | eptalon | abrotman: "Small form-factor PC", with two disks as a RAID, that can play video, and serve for web-surfing occasionally. |
| 16:04.48 | eptalon | abrotman: which means default debian install, with a VLC. |
| 16:04.55 | abrotman | so it is hooked to the tv ? |
| 16:05.49 | eptalon | no, it will be hooked to a LCD screen. |
| 16:06.08 | pipeline_ | don't use vlc |
| 16:06.13 | FoxM | Hi. Just a curious question, but does anyone knows of a company that makes cool website templates (static or dynamic) AND also supports opensource ? Even if the designs are sold under non-opensource licenses? |
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| 16:06.14 | pipeline_ | the vlc server is for transcoding |
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| 16:06.28 | pipeline_ | FoxM: every web design firm on the planet will do that for you |
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| 16:06.47 | abrotman | FoxM: ask #web .. this is not Debian related |
| 16:06.50 | Hawkey | hi... |
| 16:06.53 | pipeline_ | FoxM: a web design firm that exclusively specialized in, say, windows, would go out of business. :p |
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| 16:07.16 | eptalon | pipeline_: can you name another "media player"? |
| 16:07.45 | Hawkey | just one question.. seems i'm totally blind 'cos i cant found file where to allow which users can use ssh connection, can anyone kick me to right direction? |
| 16:08.00 | abrotman | Hawkey: in or out ? |
| 16:08.04 | Hawkey | in |
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| 16:08.21 | pipeline_ | eptalon: vlc is fine as a media player. |
| 16:08.32 | FoxM | pipeline_: But every design firm supports FOSS? |
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| 16:08.33 | llutz | Hawkey: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:08.37 | pipeline_ | eptalon: it's just that using videolan server to transcode video to stream it over your local network is stupid. |
| 16:08.39 | abrotman | Hawkey: should be normal unless you've done something like give them a non-valid shell or set it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:08.47 | pipeline_ | FoxM: Nature of the beast, man. |
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| 16:09.08 | pipeline_ | eptalon: use vlc to play files off of a fileshare |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | FoxM: ask #web, you're offtopic here |
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| 16:10.46 | FoxM | abrotman: that channel is almost as dead as a certain parrot |
| 16:10.57 | eptalon | pipeline_: thats what I intended to do. |
| 16:10.58 | FoxM | abrotman: but thanks anyway |
| 16:11.12 | abrotman | FoxM: that doesn't mean you should ask here |
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| 16:14.30 | elli222 | Hmm, why is there only a ngspice for i386? |
| 16:14.31 | FoxM | abrotman: don't worry. I know how to use the channels. I am just surprised as in my 5 years with debian no one has ever been as boring as you in this channel :S . Calm down |
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| 16:14.55 | abrotman | loves the 'insult and run' technique |
| 16:16.43 | Hawkey | abrotman hmmm added AllowUser row to config add user, restarted ssh deamon still can't connect.. any advice? |
| 16:17.17 | dboehmer | with which args to invoke init from initramfs?? |
| 16:17.26 | abrotman | Hawkey: what's the error ? |
| 16:17.37 | dboehmer | i was set to an initramfs shell and mounted everything in /root |
| 16:17.44 | dboehmer | how to call run-init? |
| 16:18.15 | dboehmer | when just doing run-init /root /sbin/init i get an error and kernel panic |
| 16:18.20 | themill | elli222: it's in non-free and non-free stuff doesn't get automatically built for other architectures |
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| 16:18.44 | Hawkey | abrotman trying putty to connect, insert username... says access denied |
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| 16:26.37 | alexidoia | hi there, I need to know what is going on on a particular port, I can't remember how to do that with netstat |
| 16:26.48 | alexidoia | I don't remember the flag to use port |
| 16:26.57 | alexidoia | netstat | grep 21 ? |
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| 16:27.09 | llutz | lsof -i :21 |
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| 16:27.38 | alexidoia | llutz: thanks |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 21 |
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| 16:32.45 | petar | hmm, 4.0 automatically bound mac to device-name through udev rules. isn't 5.0 doing that any more? as far as i can see, yes.. but can someone confirm? |
| 16:32.58 | petar | i'm sorry, i'm talking about network interfaces |
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| 16:37.52 | dutchfish | petar, maybe there is already a rule but not adequate anymore |
| 16:37.57 | dutchfish | !z25 |
| 16:37.58 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze). If you want the mappings to change, edit this file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 16:39.28 | Hawkey | any suggestions? getting access denied when trying to connect via ssh to debian... |
| 16:39.43 | dutchfish | petar, you can also remove that rule and let udev recreate it on next start (per example: when you changed hardware) |
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| 16:39.54 | superlinux | hi. which image viewer can display the same picture just on any update that happens to it? |
| 16:40.04 | cahoot | Hawkey: increase the verbosity like ssh -vv |
| 16:40.55 | tobago | need help in terms of wdm on debian. booting debian it tries to start wdm but fails after 2 seconds of flickering instead of starting the login screen. i took a look into the log file Xorg.log.0 but there was no EE (error), just some WW (warnings). what to do to force debian to run the wdm? |
| 16:41.01 | petar | dutchfish: funny, there is no such file on my very,very default 5.0 installation |
| 16:41.19 | petar | dutchfish: does that mean i could just replace the card and the new one would show up as eth0 too? |
| 16:41.27 | dutchfish | petar, mm... does lspci shows the adapter? |
| 16:41.38 | petar | yeah |
| 16:41.40 | petar | it does |
| 16:41.45 | Hawkey | cahoot openssh_5.1p1 debian-5, openssl 0.9.8g |
| 16:41.45 | dutchfish | petar, to the last q, yes |
| 16:42.08 | petar | dutchfish: ok then, thanks |
| 16:42.42 | dutchfish | petar, also, try a restart, it might as well pick it up when no 70-persitent-net rule is there |
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| 16:42.52 | petar | dutchfish: good point |
| 16:42.57 | cahoot | Hawkey: increase the verbosity of you connect command |
| 16:43.04 | cahoot | s/you/your/ |
| 16:43.08 | petar | we'll see, basically it wouldn't matter as long as the new if shows up as eth0 |
| 16:43.41 | llutz | Hawkey: grep AllowUsers /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:43.55 | llutz | Hawkey: grep DenyUsers /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:44.05 | cahoot | Hawkey: one usual problem is wrong perms on ~/.ssh and the files there |
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| 16:44.42 | Hawkey | llutz only one allowed user (me) |
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| 16:44.56 | cahoot | Hawkey: but without an error msg it's hard to guess the cause |
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| 16:45.23 | kdasdasf | hi, is there a reason why etherpad is not yet packaged for debian? |
| 16:45.25 | Hawkey | cahoot access denied when using putty when input password |
| 16:46.11 | cahoot | Hawkey: you try to connect from win or such? |
| 16:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, I definitely don't understand how Debian handles kernel updates. |
| 16:46.22 | Hawkey | cahoot yeah |
| 16:46.30 | krion | hi |
| 16:46.40 | macrobat | superlinux: update the image or the viewer? |
| 16:46.41 | jhutchins_lt | I've had aptitude update the kernel more than once, but it still reports the same version number, and only one kernel is installed in /boot. |
| 16:46.58 | cahoot | Hawkey: anyway, as said above, without an error msg it's hard to guess the cause |
| 16:47.00 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: apt-cache policy <kernel> |
| 16:47.22 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I think when it patches it, it increments the version on the package, just not on the files |
| 16:47.25 | superlinux | macrobat, the viewer must every 1/2 a second update automatically the change |
| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Substituting what for <lernel> |
| 16:47.35 | superlinux | macrobat, the viewer must every 1/2 a second update automatically the change in the picture. |
| 16:47.36 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: err kernel package |
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| 16:47.44 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 16:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: As derived from what? |
| 16:48.46 | Wyzard | superlinux: You mean re-read and redisplay the picture when the image file changes? |
| 16:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Ok, that does appear to show me what's currently installed. |
| 16:49.04 | superlinux | Wyzard, yes! your the man! |
| 16:49.17 | Wyzard | superlinux: I think geeqie does that |
| 16:49.28 | superlinux | let me see |
| 16:49.50 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: I thought the rule was you never upgrade a kernel, you install a new one so you can boot to the working one if it fails. |
| 16:50.00 | dboehmer | can somebody help me fixing my system after moving from lvm on luks to plain luks?? |
| 16:50.18 | superlinux | cos i am gonna use pyS60 (python on mobiles) to make a screenshot camera evry 1/2 a second |
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| 16:50.25 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I guess its not considered upgrading since they are just backporting security patches |
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| 16:51.03 | Wyzard | superlinux: Two changes per second might be too fast for it to catch every update |
| 16:51.34 | Wyzard | superlinux: I know that when the list of files in a directory changes, it takes a few seconds to notice, so I suspect it's using polling rather than something like inotify |
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| 16:51.46 | Wyzard | superlinux: so I suspect it'll only update the picture once every few seconds |
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| 16:52.16 | superlinux | Wyzard, it does not matter, mate. I just could not find a software that does that thing. it allows making tutorials |
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| 16:52.29 | superlinux | Wyzard, it does not matter, mate. I just could not find a software that does that thing ON linux. it allows making tutorials |
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| 16:53.00 | gh0st | i don't have in / vmlinuz or initrd.img is that a problem? |
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| 16:54.13 | superlinux | Wyzard, i'll try to sync the download of the image. i am gonna use obexftp |
| 16:54.19 | Titan8990 | gh0st: they should be symlinks to your current kernel. might be used by update-grub |
| 16:54.25 | superlinux | it suits my phone |
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| 16:55.20 | gh0st | Titan8990: how can i create symlink ? |
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| 16:56.08 | CodeNinja | how do I ls and show octal permissions instead of rwx ? |
| 16:56.13 | CodeNinja | gh0st: man ln |
| 16:56.22 | Titan8990 | gh0st: it should have been created automatically... but using the `ln -s` command |
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| 16:57.18 | CodeNinja | grrr theres an ls for numeric gid/uid but no octals? |
| 16:57.28 | obiwahn | hi |
| 16:57.42 | obiwahn | how do i select the version of autoconf used |
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| 16:58.37 | abrotman | how many do you have installed ? |
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| 17:00.35 | obiwahn | 3 or so |
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| 17:01.38 | obiwahn | dpkg -l |grep autoconf |
| 17:01.38 | obiwahn | ii autoconf 2.65-4 automatic configure script builder |
| 17:01.38 | dpkg | ii |grep autoconf 1.1-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:01.42 | obiwahn | ii autoconf2.13 2.13-60 automatic configure script builder (obsolete |
| 17:01.44 | gh0st | Titan8990: yes thanks ln -sf |
| 17:02.05 | gh0st | its done |
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| 17:02.13 | obiwahn | update-alternatives --config autoconf |
| 17:02.15 | obiwahn | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for autoconf. |
| 17:02.17 | Titan8990 | obiwahn: are you running etch? |
| 17:02.23 | obiwahn | sid |
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| 17:02.58 | Titan8990 | ah.. 1.1-14 is some random non-offical debian package |
| 17:04.02 | obiwahn | i dont have 1.1 nstalled |
| 17:04.32 | obiwahn | dpkg -l |
| 17:04.32 | dpkg | obiwahn: no idea |
| 17:04.45 | obiwahn | dpkg -l |grep automake |
| 17:04.45 | dpkg | ii |grep automake 1.1-5.1 obiwahn's private stamp collection |
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| 17:05.07 | obiwahn | dpkg shut up |
| 17:05.07 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 17:05.33 | gh0st | Titan8990: i made ln -sf /boot/initrd.img-2.6.33 / i mean i wants to be /initrd.img how can i undo |
| 17:05.38 | Enlik | dpkg -r dpkg |
| 17:05.38 | dpkg | removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from enlik's body, then staples enlik back up with a staple gun. |
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| 17:05.57 | Titan8990 | gh0st: rm the link |
| 17:06.09 | gh0st | Titan8990: i cant remove the / ? |
| 17:06.21 | superlinux | Wyzard, Awesome man! it did update! |
| 17:06.24 | gh0st | i made a symlink to / |
| 17:06.32 | gh0st | how can i remove symlink |
| 17:06.37 | superlinux | Wyzard, thanks |
| 17:06.53 | Wyzard | gh0st: Just rm it |
| 17:07.07 | Wyzard | gh0st: There's nothing special about deleting a symlink |
| 17:07.08 | gh0st | haha are u crazy just rm the / |
| 17:07.11 | gh0st | system |
| 17:07.17 | Wyzard | gh0st: No, rm the symlink |
| 17:07.24 | gh0st | how? |
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| 17:07.34 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:07.56 | Wyzard | gh0st: "rm" and the name of the link, just like any other file |
| 17:07.57 | laurus | Is there a good way to backup mail other than in the .mbox format? |
| 17:07.58 | Titan8990 | gh0st: rm /initrd.img-2.6.33 |
| 17:08.52 | gh0st | Titan8990: and than if i create again /initrd.img-2.6.33 ? |
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| 17:09.10 | gh0st | is to be the same or not? |
| 17:09.19 | Titan8990 | gh0st: what? |
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| 17:09.34 | Titan8990 | laurus: you mean, from your email client? |
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| 17:09.56 | laurus | Titan8990, sure, I'm just wondering if there's a format out there that's better than mbox. |
| 17:10.04 | laurus | Say, XML based. |
| 17:10.18 | Titan8990 | laurus: individual .eml files |
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| 17:10.33 | Titan8990 | that would probably be the most universal |
| 17:10.59 | laurus | Titan8990, ah, that's great! |
| 17:11.06 | Titan8990 | gh0st: I don't understand your question |
| 17:11.10 | laurus | So most mail programs can take an mbox file and split into .eml files? |
| 17:12.21 | Titan8990 | laurus: I am sure there are some out there that can do. Some clients store their email in .eml by default, so you could just tar the directory and store it |
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| 17:12.41 | laurus | Titan8990, which clients? :) |
| 17:12.42 | Titan8990 | laurus: I believe evolution stores retrieved mail in .eml format, but I have always found it to be quite buggy |
| 17:12.56 | laurus | Yeah, me too... |
| 17:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | Clients shouldn't store email. |
| 17:13.53 | laurus | Titan8990, is there any other one you know of that uses .eml? |
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| 17:14.04 | Titan8990 | laurus: quick google search shows thunderbird has an export feature that works on mbox format |
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| 17:14.19 | laurus | Titan8990, ok, thanks ;) |
| 17:14.42 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I aggree |
| 17:14.53 | laurus | Well how do you guys back up your mail then? |
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| 17:15.01 | Titan8990 | laurus: IMAP |
| 17:15.03 | brokencycle | Hello! |
| 17:15.16 | laurus | Titan8990, but doesn't the client "store" the e-mails on your hard drive then? |
| 17:15.19 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Servers store email. The only one I've ever heard of corrupting the store is Exchange. |
| 17:15.20 | Titan8990 | laurus: the mail will generally stay on the server |
| 17:15.32 | laurus | Right, but you need it backed up somewhere no? |
| 17:15.37 | Titan8990 | laurus: nope, IMAP can retrieve and store but usually does not |
| 17:15.40 | laurus | So why not have the client store copies? |
| 17:15.41 | Titan8990 | laurus: yes |
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| 17:16.08 | Titan8990 | laurus: thats just not how the protocol was designed to work. thats what POP does |
| 17:16.31 | laurus | Titan8990, right, so where does your mail get backed up then? |
| 17:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Clients are assumed to be transitory and unreliable. |
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| 17:17.00 | laurus | jhutchins_lt, okay, but I still want to have a backup copy of all my e-mail somewhere. |
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| 17:17.04 | Titan8990 | laurus: email would get backuped on the server |
| 17:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | While I've never heard of a linux mailserver corrupting the mail store, plenty of linux clients have. |
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| 17:17.25 | jhutchins_lt | I back up servers more dilligently than I do clients. |
| 17:17.27 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I had had to manually delete bad characters from a user's mbox |
| 17:17.31 | laurus | Ok... well I'd still like to have a local copy of the mail myself since I don't control the server. |
| 17:17.39 | brokencycle | How do I find out which package a font belongs to, please? |
| 17:17.52 | Enverex | If I need to change the number of concurrent NFS threads in Debian, what is the best way to do it? I don't see an NFS configuration file anywhere (except /etc/exports) |
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| 17:17.57 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: only happened once on my 8mos or so of sendmail administration though |
| 17:18.16 | Titan8990 | brokencycle: apt-file update; apt-file find <foo> |
| 17:18.17 | llutz | brokencycle: "dpkg -S /path/to/fontfile" |
| 17:18.23 | brokencycle | I mean, an application displays a font name that has nothing to do with the name of the font file, |
| 17:18.33 | Titan8990 | brokencycle: or yes, dpkg -S if its installed |
| 17:18.41 | Enverex | Nevermind, I found i |
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| 17:18.43 | laurus | Oh, cool: http://freenet-homepage.de/ukrebs/english/mbox2eml.html |
| 17:19.00 | laurus | That's a neat program! |
| 17:19.19 | brokencycle | thanks - I knew already how to find a package for a file, but I need the path from the application's name of the font to the font file. |
| 17:19.20 | gh0st | i can't boot new kernel (it is not from compile i'm sure 100%), on boot it shows something "kernel bug: and then 0x0ffff0" something like that and is pumping than it shows "tracing, but trying" and cannot boot? what is that |
| 17:19.46 | Titan8990 | gh0st: you compiled your own kernel? |
| 17:20.01 | gh0st | yes |
| 17:20.16 | cahoot | brokencycle: tried fc-list -v? |
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| 17:21.31 | Titan8990 | gh0st: well, i would guess that its a bug in the kernel |
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| 17:23.03 | brokencycle | cahoot: This seems to do the trick for my immediate problem, except for the problem that only very few fonts are listed in the first place, while I have tons of fonts installed. |
| 17:23.31 | cahoot | brokencycle: what if yiu run fc-cache first? |
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| 17:25.07 | brokencycle | cahoot: Thanks for the hint! I'll have to learn more about these programs! |
| 17:25.10 | brokencycle | :) |
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| 17:25.17 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to get man pages for OpenGL? |
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| 17:26.21 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley: there might be some documentation in /usr/share/doc/opegl*/* |
| 17:26.40 | jamesstanley | no such directory |
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| 17:26.47 | jamesstanley | and i don't know what package it might be supplied by |
| 17:26.55 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley: use tab completion... and without the typo |
| 17:26.59 | jamesstanley | i did |
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| 17:29.01 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley: well, it looks like there is doc package for python-opengl and another for what is likely c++ |
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| 17:29.37 | tobago|away | need help in terms of wdm on debian. booting debian it tries to start wdm but fails after 2 seconds of flickering instead of starting the login screen. i took a look into the log file Xorg.log.0 but there was no EE (error), just some WW (warnings). what to do to force debian to run the wdm? |
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| 17:30.31 | Titan8990 | tobago|away: I would confirm that X will start without wdm first, to isolate the problem |
| 17:31.20 | tobago|away | Titan8990, how? |
| 17:31.22 | nmvictor | whats the package that provides alsaconf and alsactl, i am trying to fix sound in debian power pc, their is just this message "No volume or gstreamer plugins and.or devices found" |
| 17:31.30 | raccoon_ | tobago|away: run xinit or simply X |
| 17:31.57 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: usually means your user is not in the audio group. If your not running lenny, there is no more alsaconf |
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| 17:32.20 | cahoot | nmvictor: you want alsa-utils though |
| 17:32.43 | nmvictor | Titan8990: i am a member of group audio and i am running lenny |
| 17:32.55 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: then alsa-utils like cahoot mentioned |
| 17:33.45 | cahoot | nmvictor: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 should unmute and set sane levels for your first sundcard |
| 17:33.58 | tobago|away | Titan8990, raccoon_ xinit runs a gui (though looking primitive) |
| 17:33.58 | nmvictor | Titan8990: cahoot: already got that, it just provided alsamixer |
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| 17:34.13 | nmvictor | cahoot: let me try that |
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| 17:34.55 | raccoon_ | tobago|away: then X is working. what does .xsession_errors in your home dir say? |
| 17:34.58 | Titan8990 | tobago|away: then you have a wdm problem. check /var/log/messages, or its own log file if it has one |
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| 17:35.29 | raccoon_ | tobago|away: .xsession-errors* even |
| 17:35.53 | Glebelg | hi all, i'm under debian testing and my gpu is hd4850 with radeon drivers - glxinfo report direct rendering but compiz works with indirect rendering....did someone know how to solve it? |
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| 17:39.06 | nmvictor | cahoot: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 :alsa-utils : Command not found |
| 17:39.28 | cahoot | nmvictor: not even as root? |
| 17:39.56 | nmvictor | cahoot: i pre-appended sudo |
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| 17:40.59 | cahoot | and you're confident alsa-utils is installed? |
| 17:41.12 | nmvictor | cahoot: yea |
| 17:42.02 | nmvictor | cahoot: infact i almos installed everything to do with alsa with synaptic |
| 17:42.26 | jamesstanley | Titan8990: i was looking for the normal c api documentation |
| 17:42.49 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley: really not sure |
| 17:42.49 | Titan8990 | jordan@linuxgen:~$ apt-file find /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 17:42.49 | Titan8990 | alsa-utils: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 17:42.56 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 17:42.57 | cahoot | nmvictor: ls -la /etc/init.d/alsa* |
| 17:43.37 | nmvictor | Titan8990: cahoot: i even opened the file with nano, its a script, i did chmod +x alsa-utils its still not working |
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| 17:43.50 | cahoot | why do you do such? |
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| 17:44.24 | nmvictor | cahoot: i thouht maybe its not executable, thats why it was termed a bad command |
| 17:44.47 | Titan8990 | cahoot: to show that the exectuable should be there if he has installed that package |
| 17:44.59 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: that would typically return permission denied |
| 17:45.15 | nmvictor | Titan8990: even with sudo? |
| 17:45.38 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: even as root, if trying to execute something without execute perms, yes |
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| 17:46.34 | nmvictor | Titan8990: cahoot : i found this and, it might give us direction http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/lenny-on-ibook-g4-ppc-sound-display-oddities-623650/ |
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| 17:47.51 | cahoot | still doesn't explain your problems with alsa-utils |
| 17:48.36 | Titan8990 | maybe the ppc package is different? |
| 17:48.55 | tobago|away | raccoon_, Titan8990 .xsessions_errors is empty and /var/log/messages contains the one message "Programm wdm tried to access /dev/mem between 100000 - 102000 " several times. |
| 17:48.57 | nmvictor | cahoot: yea but their are some modules listed somewhere, do you think i need to add them to /etc/modules? |
| 17:49.10 | cahoot | worth a try |
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| 17:49.51 | cahoot | run modprobe snd_powermac (as root) and run alsamixer |
| 17:50.27 | gh0st | on what is boot of kernel? |
| 17:50.32 | gh0st | line |
| 17:51.12 | gh0st | on what line is a boot of kernel |
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| 17:51.47 | nmvictor | cahoot: Titan8990 i have been using ubuntu and their is this package linux-ubuntu-modules, does debian have a version of it in its repositories, some fellow ubuntuser reports in a forum to have solved it by intalling that package before playin around with configs |
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| 17:54.53 | nmvictor | cahoot: Titan8990 you know what, just forget about the ubuntu modulesa and stuff question, you guys are geniouses, it WORKED!, thanks all, now i am a debuntu fun. |
| 17:55.15 | cahoot | is this a joke? |
| 17:55.26 | nmvictor | cahoot: joke? |
| 17:55.37 | cahoot | debuntu |
| 17:55.49 | nmvictor | i mean your commands worked |
| 17:56.02 | cahoot | ok enjoy |
| 17:56.06 | nmvictor | DEBIAN + UBUNTU |
| 17:56.14 | nmvictor | DEBUNTU |
| 17:56.41 | AimHere | Ubian |
| 17:56.44 | overmind | Or ububian |
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| 18:01.49 | nmvictor | Now is their a way to solve X, after installation a section of my screen is just dark while the other 3/4 section is divided into two, any help? |
| 18:02.33 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: I was gone for a while, what distro are you actually running? |
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| 18:02.57 | nmvictor | Titan8990: lenny |
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| 18:03.55 | nmvictor | Titan8990: but if its for the sound problem, i already fixed that with cahoot , thanks, now im on some graphics issue |
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| 18:05.38 | simonrvn | obiwahn: you know you can just do 'dpkg -l package' - no need for grep pipe there |
| 18:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know how to enable automatic spell checking by default in kmail 3.5? |
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| 18:08.02 | peterrooney | nmvictor: ibook G3 ? try dropping the colour depth to 15 (has worked for me on a few powerpc machines, like the 7600 and 7300) |
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| 18:10.43 | nmvictor | peterrooney: thanks, how do i do that? |
| 18:10.54 | johni | hello everybody, have a problem with firefox 3.5.8 and 3.6 complaining about libgtk2.0 . The package is installed, also I cannot find much documentation on the net. I have a debian lenny |
| 18:11.42 | Titan8990 | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 18:11.43 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
| 18:12.01 | Titan8990 | johni: 3.5.8 is backports, why are you compiling? |
| 18:12.15 | abrotman | johni: debian doesn't have firefox |
| 18:12.29 | johni | I just download the package from mozilla website |
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| 18:12.40 | johni | Titan8990, should I use the backport package? |
| 18:13.11 | Titan8990 | johni: you can do that, but I would recommend grabbing the binary package instead of the source |
| 18:13.17 | peterrooney | nmvictor: may have to manually edit xorg.conf. it's not something i've had to do since before the switch from XFree86 |
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| 18:13.30 | johni | Titan8990, right now I got the binary from the firefox website |
| 18:13.38 | Titan8990 | johni: it installs easily to /opt. but yes, iceweasel from backports will be the same |
| 18:13.52 | niekvlessert | any xen fans around here? |
| 18:14.09 | niekvlessert | i just can't get my hvm based thing to work |
| 18:14.13 | niekvlessert | i just want to boot an iso |
| 18:14.17 | niekvlessert | vnc is runnign |
| 18:14.17 | iceroot | niekvlessert: #xen have lots of them |
| 18:14.25 | niekvlessert | yeah, trying there........... |
| 18:14.29 | niekvlessert | ok i'll go there |
| 18:14.54 | johni | Titan8990, let me give it a try |
| 18:15.25 | johni | Titan8990, do you know how is the time delay before a new version of firefox hits backports? |
| 18:15.30 | Wyzard | johni: I'd recommend the Debian backports package |
| 18:15.45 | Wyzard | Debian packages are generally preferable over non-packaged stuff |
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| 18:15.49 | Titan8990 | johni: long time |
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| 18:17.39 | nmvictor | peterrooney: i'm afraid i dint anything like color in xorg.conf, |
| 18:18.01 | johni | Titan8990, Wyzard, thanks, installed 3.5.8 from backports |
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| 18:19.51 | aropupu | nmvictor: section screen, there should be something like DefaultDepth 24 |
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| 18:19.55 | aropupu | change it to 15 |
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| 18:20.06 | aropupu | or, subsection "display", Depth 24 |
| 18:20.07 | aropupu | or 32 |
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| 18:20.37 | aropupu | change them to 15 |
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| 18:21.39 | nmvictor | aropupu: you mean screen resoultion in System>Preference |
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| 18:22.49 | aropupu | i thought you were editing xorg.conf, but yeah, that should do it too |
| 18:23.35 | aropupu | whether that actually helps, i have no idea. never used macs that much |
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| 18:30.14 | nmvictor | aropupu: could you please have a look at http://paste2.org/p/715564, my xorg.conf and maybe help me edit it as you were suggesting |
| 18:31.55 | aropupu | if you can change the bit depth of your screen through something like system->preferences->display or similar, you can just as well do it through that |
| 18:32.12 | aropupu | to try out whether lower bit depth actually helps to your problem |
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| 18:35.09 | nmvictor | aropupu: i dont have System>Preference>Display in my menu? |
| 18:35.32 | abrotman | who created that xorg.conf ? |
| 18:35.37 | aropupu | but you should have something similar, depending on what window manager/desktop environment you use |
| 18:35.56 | aropupu | nmvictor: where ever you change your display resolution should be the right place |
| 18:36.05 | nmvictor | is sun-java6-jdk really available in debian, i cant see it in synaptic |
| 18:36.21 | peterrooney | nmvictor: nmvictor add this line to your "Screen" section: |
| 18:36.28 | obiwahn | ls |
| 18:36.28 | peterrooney | DefaultDepth 15 |
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| 18:37.16 | nmvictor | abrotman: not me, i gues the system itself depending on my machine settings, i just installed debian today |
| 18:37.19 | Acony | I have terminal some fixed size, and when I maximize it, and close it... and after that start it again I get the default size, how can I get it in my previous state (maximized) |
| 18:37.32 | Wyzard | nmvictor: yes, it's in non-free |
| 18:37.35 | nmvictor | peterrooney: thanks, letme |
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| 18:38.18 | nmvictor | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 18:40.09 | nmvictor | Wyzard: but non-free is checked yet i still cant see it in synaptic |
| 18:41.13 | nmvictor | peterrooney: so i gues i am supposed to run X restart, ha? |
| 18:41.22 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: verify it is in /etc/apt/sources.list and run `aptitude update` |
| 18:41.49 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: make sure you run update-java-alternatives after |
| 18:41.50 | Wyzard | nmvictor: Wait, you'd said earlier you're on a G3 Mac |
| 18:41.57 | Wyzard | nmvictor: Sun has no PPC builds of Java |
| 18:41.58 | Titan8990 | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 18:41.59 | judd | sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-3 |
| 18:42.15 | Wyzard | nmvictor: The packages only exist in i386 and amd64 Debian |
| 18:42.34 | Titan8990 | Wyzard: I thought java was supossed to run basically anywhere... |
| 18:42.46 | Wyzard | Titan8990: Anywhere a JVM is available |
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| 18:42.58 | Wyzard | which is anywhere someone's bothered to write one |
| 18:43.07 | Titan8990 | right, suprising it was not available on a platform such as PPC |
| 18:43.09 | nmvictor | Wyzard: are you telling me no more proramming in my box? |
| 18:43.44 | simonrvn | use ibm's or try openjdk or whatever it's called |
| 18:44.10 | nmvictor | Wyzard: *programming i meant |
| 18:44.48 | Wyzard | "no more"? |
| 18:45.21 | Wyzard | I assume Apple has a JVM for OSX on PPC -- dunno whether they wrote it themselves, or licensed Sun's and ported it, but there's no Sun JVM for PPC Linux |
| 18:45.29 | Wyzard | so you'll need to use some other JVM implementation, as simonrvn says |
| 18:45.41 | simonrvn | they ported it. it won't run on a linux-based os |
| 18:45.59 | Titan8990 | Apple Computer supplies their own version of Java. Use the Software Update feature (available on the Apple menu) to check that you have the most up-to-date version of Java for your Mac. |
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| 18:46.03 | Wyzard | There are some packaged free ones (gij and kaffe come to mind) |
| 18:46.22 | nmvictor | Wyzard: i saw sun-java6-jre, the runtime, what would be hard in coming up with the development kit? |
| 18:46.27 | simonrvn | it's bsd-ish + nextstep-ish + opendarwin, so very not supported. |
| 18:47.12 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: if openjdk is available, its supossed to be very similar |
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| 18:47.57 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 18:48.19 | Wyzard | nmvictor: That's the architecture-independent class library, but it depends on the JVM in sun-java6-bin, which doesn't exist for PPC |
| 18:48.42 | nmvictor | Thanks, I think i will o with that, better than none |
| 18:49.18 | nmvictor | how am i supposed to restart X, I thought X restart was it? |
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| 18:49.57 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: restart your DM or log out of your window manager |
| 18:50.11 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: depending on how you started X |
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| 18:51.44 | nmvictor | Wyzard: why shouldnt it depend on its own openjdk6-jre? |
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| 18:52.19 | Wyzard | Why shouldn't what depend on openjdk6-jre? |
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| 18:54.09 | nmvictor | openjdk6 installed anyway, i hope netbeans will be able to see it |
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| 18:54.59 | Titan8990 | nmvictor: update-java-alternatives |
| 18:55.10 | peterrooney | nmvictor: IBM provides a java for powerpc linux - can't remember the URL off the top of my head. |
| 18:55.36 | nmvictor | Titan8990: i wont forget that, thanks |
| 18:56.02 | nmvictor | peterrooney: i'll look up that, thanks |
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| 18:57.07 | nmvictor | havent had anything for my stomach since morning, i'd better go,think my mind has had more than it could take |
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| 19:04.42 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the current best youtube ripping pkg? |
| 19:05.01 | zleap | flv downloader |
| 19:05.38 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: I use youtube-dl |
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| 19:06.40 | gregori | hello |
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| 19:07.38 | jpinx-eeepc | zleap: not finding a package like that in lenny |
| 19:07.47 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: in backports? |
| 19:08.26 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: oh, sorry, didn't realize it wasn't in lenny... I run sid |
| 19:08.48 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions youtube-dl |
| 19:08.51 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: the dependencies are so loose that you should be able to install the sid package in lenny |
| 19:08.51 | judd | youtube-dl -- sid: 2010.02.13-1 |
| 19:09.02 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: the only depends: is python (>= 2.4) |
| 19:09.13 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: I'll take a look at ssb for it.. thanks :) |
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| 19:09.43 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions python |
| 19:09.44 | judd | python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9 |
| 19:09.58 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: shouldn't even need that |
| 19:10.05 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: looks good - thanks |
| 19:11.21 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: you mean just aptitude install after adding sid to sources.list ? |
| 19:11.47 | jpinx-eeepc | or is that too flaky? |
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| 19:16.01 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: I'd be wary of that, unless you set up pins anyway |
| 19:16.17 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: I'd just dpkg -i it, but then of course you have to watch for updates yourself |
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| 19:17.01 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: oki doki - sounds good |
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| 19:17.16 | jpinx-eeepc | how to download a pkg by hand? |
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| 19:17.59 | dkr | steal the hard drive from a mirror? |
| 19:18.12 | deadbeef | guys excuseme, is there a guide about putting netinst on an usb pendrive? |
| 19:18.13 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: http://packages.debian.org/sid/youtube-dl |
| 19:18.25 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: the link is near the bottom (the "all" link) |
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| 19:19.15 | Titan8990 | !tell deadbeef about usb install |
| 19:19.22 | dkr | deadbeef: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 19:19.29 | Titan8990 | deadbeef: might be businesscard only instead of netinst |
| 19:19.48 | deadbeef | awesome guys, thanks |
| 19:20.04 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: thanks :) |
| 19:20.19 | deadbeef | Titan8990, dkr: anyway using debootstrap is easy enough |
| 19:20.27 | deadbeef | maybe netinst'ing from a pendrive is an overkill :D |
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| 19:21.46 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: wow - tiny pkg ;) |
| 19:22.17 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: it's just a python script, a manpage, changelog, and copyright :) |
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| 19:23.57 | robbles | Titan8990: a few days ago you helped w/ a problem and advised me to file a bug report. Would you mind taking a quick look at the reply I got from the maintainer? It doesn't make much sense to me: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573391 |
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| 19:27.17 | \amethyst | robbles: when you dpkg -i a package, there is no attempt to install the dependencies |
| 19:27.37 | \amethyst | robbles: so the fact that you get an error saying the dependencies aren't installed isn't surprising |
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| 19:27.59 | \amethyst | robbles: you should install them by hand, or else set up an apt repository and install your package using apt |
| 19:28.09 | jpinx-eeepc | robbles: just run aptitude and it'll tell you what's missing |
| 19:28.39 | \amethyst | oh, right, it did install but didn't configure |
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| 19:29.10 | robbles | hmm ok, I didn't know that. When I install the 2 dependencies by hand and dpkg -i my .deb, it installs but is marked as purge |
| 19:30.12 | robbles | The program works, but I have to mark it as 'hold' or it will get removed |
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| 19:31.42 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: youtube-dl works fine - thanks - now can I make a little gui thingy for the girlfriend to use it? |
| 19:32.12 | robbles | jpinx-eeepc / \amethyst : http://pastebin.com/94QJPQai |
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| 19:33.12 | \amethyst | robbles: the last thing you told aptitude to do with the package was purge it |
| 19:33.27 | \amethyst | robbles: dpkg -i doesn't afaik change the desired state of a package |
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| 19:33.46 | \amethyst | robbles: try marking it to be installed with aptitude |
| 19:34.04 | robbles | \amethyst: thanks a lot, I didn't think of that |
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| 20:00.09 | Araneidae | Does squeeze have a viable option for installing the NVIDIA glx driver? `aptitude install nvidia-glx` is ... interesting: http://paste.debian.net/63978/ |
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| 20:01.25 | Araneidae | Or am I just looking at the wrong driver? |
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| 20:11.20 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 20:16.46 | peterrooney | OK, what's happened to the debian bugs system?\ |
| 20:17.30 | algokick | It looks like it's up here. |
| 20:17.32 | algokick | What problem are you having? |
| 20:17.43 | peterrooney | used to have a link off the package page that led to a list of all bugs, now you have to know which one it is before you can look at it. |
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| 20:19.47 | algokick | peterrooney: On the main bug tracker page, there's a section that says "Select bugs" |
| 20:19.56 | algokick | There are two boxes there. |
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| 20:20.07 | Henrik`G | Hey.. When im trying to apt-get install it requires me to have the dvd mounted even tho i have access to the net |
| 20:20.13 | \amethyst | peterrooney: err, the link is still on the package page, in the upper right, in the "Debian Resources" box |
| 20:20.13 | algokick | Put the package you want to look at the bugs in the first box and then click the Submit button. |
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| 20:20.55 | \amethyst | peterrooney: assuming by 'package page' you mean e.g. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnumeric |
| 20:21.44 | \amethyst | peterrooney: you can also do http://bugs.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 20:21.48 | abrotman | Henrik`G: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 20:22.18 | slb_ | i have a web server set up on my linux box and i access it from windows by name as i edited my windows host file but i would like to set it up somehow so that i can create subdomains, etc on my linuxbox and windows automatically recognize this without me having to keep adding entry to hosts, for example subdomain1.linuxbox, subdomain2.linux - i asked in #apache and someone told me i need to make a wildcard dns entry can someone point me in the ri |
| 20:22.32 | Henrik`G | abrotman ahh there some nary deb cdrom stuff. guess i can remove that |
| 20:22.47 | algokick | slb_: Do you have a DNS server for your local network? |
| 20:22.52 | slb_ | no i dont |
| 20:22.58 | algokick | You' want to set that up. |
| 20:23.05 | slb_ | ok |
| 20:23.20 | algokick | Wait, I might be misundertanding your question. |
| 20:23.20 | slb_ | that will work just with a local network? |
| 20:23.36 | algokick | Are you wanting to serve mutltiple subdomains out of the same apache instance? |
| 20:23.53 | algokick | Or are you setting up multiple machines running apache, each with different IP addresses? |
| 20:24.21 | slb_ | my linux box runs apache and i just want to be able to access subdomains, etc from my windows browser without having to keep adding things to my windows hosts file |
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| 20:24.34 | slb_ | so just my linux box has apache |
| 20:24.51 | algokick | You'll still want to set up a DNS server. |
| 20:24.54 | slb_ | so i just want to server multiple subdomains like you said |
| 20:25.03 | slb_ | ok |
| 20:25.21 | slb_ | and then from there i work with sometihng like here: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Wildcard_hosting_with_Apache_and_Bind |
| 20:25.22 | slb_ | ? |
| 20:25.55 | \amethyst | slb_: yup; that even has an example of the zone file you'll need to create for bind |
| 20:26.02 | slb_ | ok great |
| 20:26.08 | \amethyst | slb_: then you'll need to set up the machines to use the linux machine as the DNS |
| 20:26.09 | algokick | Because you'll want to a CN record for each subdomain. |
| 20:26.12 | slb_ | i dont need a nameserver or anything for this right cause its all local |
| 20:26.24 | algokick | Yes, you will need a nameserve3r. |
| 20:26.26 | algokick | *nameserver |
| 20:26.27 | \amethyst | slb_: yes, you need a nameserver... that's what the 'bind' in the title is |
| 20:26.44 | slb_ | but even in using dns it will all just stay local right |
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| 20:26.46 | \amethyst | algokick: a wildcard would work too |
| 20:26.49 | algokick | Yes, it would. |
| 20:26.53 | slb_ | ok great |
| 20:26.55 | slb_ | thanks so much |
| 20:26.59 | algokick | But I try to avoid creating wildcard records. |
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| 20:27.04 | algokick | It's a personal thing. |
| 20:27.06 | \amethyst | slb_: yes, only the machines using your Linux box as their name server would see the domain |
| 20:27.53 | slb_ | so after i set up dns and bind i can just set up differnet VirtualHosts in my apache conf without a wildcard? |
| 20:27.56 | algokick | So unless I was doing more than a handful of sites, or unless I was constantly adding or removing subdomains, I'd just add CNAME records. |
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| 20:28.15 | slb_ | i see i have to add records for each |
| 20:28.43 | \amethyst | slb_: either a DNS record for each, or a wildcard record like the *.example.com. they have in the article |
| 20:28.53 | slb_ | ok great |
| 20:28.55 | slb_ | thanks a lot |
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| 20:29.16 | elik | When my screen goes blank to save energy (laptop unused, lid closed), my cursor becomes transparent. I can still use it (focus on mouse over still work, I see tooltips, etc), but pointing with something you don't see it tricky :( |
| 20:29.38 | elik | It will come back randomly after some time of wiggling it around |
| 20:30.28 | Wyzard | elik: I think mouse are typically displayed using special hardware in the GPU, so that sounds like either a driver bug or a hardware problem |
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| 20:31.06 | algokick | You could test it by telling to use the software cursor. |
| 20:31.30 | algokick | By setting SWCursor to true in your xorg.conf file. |
| 20:31.59 | elik | Wyzard, hum, right, that could make sense. I have never been able to suspend and resum, forget hibernating... because it can't restore the graphic card state |
| 20:32.33 | elik | algokick, I'll just make sure I cana reproduce the "hw" problem first and give that a try |
| 20:32.37 | elik | algokick, thanks |
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| 20:37.05 | eptalon | I am looking for a tool ot (mass) rename files/directories, based on patterns. |
| 20:37.32 | acemi | rename |
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| 20:38.11 | eptalon | acemi: can that handle regexes? |
| 20:38.27 | acemi | yes |
| 20:38.32 | acemi | man rename |
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| 20:39.23 | elik | eptalon, perl regexp even :) |
| 20:40.06 | pipeline_ | eptalon: find . -type d | perl -nle '$old = $_; s/"oldtext"/"newtext"; rename( $old, $_ ); print' |
| 20:40.20 | eptalon | elik: "This_20Is_20An_20Example" -> "This is an example"? |
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| 20:40.48 | mezood | hi, i'm trying to make my wireless work and i've dowloaded the ipw3945 modules but when i use modprobe ipw3945 nothing happens and i tried ps -C ipw3945d and it isnt running, any clue? |
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| 20:42.20 | eptalon | mezood: what does syslog say? |
| 20:42.28 | elik | eptalon, probably something like s/_20/ /, but I'm sure you'll read on perl regexp :) |
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| 20:43.17 | mezood | just PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 20:43.23 | mezood | nothing else |
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| 20:44.15 | wols | mezood: what does the kernel log say? |
| 20:44.17 | eptalon | tail -f /var/log/syslog, and then paste the lines that get added to pastebin, or something. |
| 20:44.29 | mezood | ok sec |
| 20:44.43 | wols | mezood: you did install the (non free) intel firmware, right? |
| 20:46.08 | mezood | i'm not sure i used: aptitude install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 20:46.16 | mezood | i'm following a tut |
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| 20:46.42 | lukas2511 | mezod: firmware-iwl3945 |
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| 20:47.22 | wols | mezood: your tutorial is for etch. is EOL and unsupported by now |
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| 20:47.37 | wols | mezood: which debian version do you run? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:48.06 | mezood | thats the syslog --> http://pastebin.com/Ck8GvyUx |
| 20:48.28 | lukas2511 | mezod: try this: apt-get install firmware-iwl3945 |
| 20:48.31 | mezood | 4.0 |
| 20:48.42 | mezood | ok |
| 20:49.04 | wols | 4.0 is etch |
| 20:49.39 | mezood | its says it couldnt find that package |
| 20:49.42 | mezood | it* |
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| 20:51.57 | lukas2511 | what wireless card do you have mezood ? 2100,2200,2915 or newer (3xxx) ? |
| 20:52.22 | mezood | 3945 |
| 20:52.33 | lukas2511 | yea i have the same |
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| 20:52.38 | lukas2511 | you have to upgrade to debian lenny |
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| 20:52.46 | lukas2511 | and then install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:53.01 | mezood | i followed that tut because it has the same but doesnt seem to do anything when i load the module |
| 20:53.04 | wols | he doesn't have to upgrade, but it's very highly recommended |
| 20:53.19 | lukas2511 | or you could try to download http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.14+lenny2_all.deb <- this and install it |
| 20:53.20 | abrotman | etch has the driver |
| 20:53.29 | mezood | can i upgrade easily or i have to download the debian again and install it from the cd? |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | lukas2511: that's not for his kernel or even his distro |
| 20:53.38 | abrotman | !tell mezood about etch->lenny |
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| 20:54.50 | lukas2511 | the driver is in the kernel. just the firmware is missing. the package does work under etch as well as under lenny. i had installed it on my notebook for a while till i removed debian and installed ubuntu |
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| 20:55.08 | abrotman | lukas2511: what makes you think he has a driver that would look for that firmware ? |
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| 20:55.26 | lukas2511 | abrotman: he said he has a 3945.. i have the same wireless card.. |
| 20:55.34 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 20:55.41 | rfranknj | hey, something crashed in wine, now all new applications that start have the fonts scaled down.. anyone know what might cause this? it crashed after resizing the screen |
| 20:56.06 | mezood | i did aptitude update but seems it has some errors |
| 20:56.18 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: maybe try to ''reboot'' wine via wineboot |
| 20:56.23 | mezood | GPG error |
| 20:56.24 | r3c4ll | how i can do for "play" (the probram part of sox) play an mp3? |
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| 20:56.35 | wols | !tell mezood about errors |
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| 20:56.39 | lukas2511 | mezood: gpg error doesn't matter |
| 20:56.43 | abrotman | mezood: you can ignore those ... we'll fix that later |
| 20:56.45 | r3c4ll | it says play FAIL formats: no handler for file extension `mp3' |
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| 20:57.17 | mezood | wols yes sorry i didnt paste it because its in my language |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | r3c4ll: libsox-fmt-mp3 .. apt-cache show sox .. it tells you |
| 20:57.25 | mezood | ok i continue then |
| 20:57.25 | rfranknj | lukas2511: its not stuff in wine though, gtk apps are running with fonts scaled down |
| 20:57.41 | r3c4ll | abrotman, thnax |
| 20:57.45 | r3c4ll | thank you |
| 20:57.46 | r3c4ll | ! |
| 20:57.50 | rfranknj | i think it might be because the app resized the screen to 640x480 then i had to xrandr it back to regular resolution |
| 20:57.53 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: then maybe try to restart your computer ? :D or just logout/login may also work |
| 20:58.05 | rfranknj | haha yeah that would probably works |
| 20:58.13 | rfranknj | work* but i'd rather not restart x atm |
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| 20:58.44 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: then try to kill gnome-settings-daemon and restart it |
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| 20:59.56 | rfranknj | lukas2511: not running, i dont use gnome |
| 21:00.07 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: what do you use ? |
| 21:00.42 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: hey maybe try resizing your screen again ? :D just an idea |
| 21:01.24 | rfranknj | fluxbox |
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| 21:02.34 | r3c4ll | abrotman, what option or how i do with this error (an X session is using sound) |
| 21:02.35 | r3c4ll | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 21:02.35 | r3c4ll | play FAIL formats: can't open output file `default': snd_pcm_open error: Device or resource busy |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | r3c4ll: it tells you .. the device is busy |
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| 21:03.08 | lukas2511 | ok now i will ask a question: is there any way to install udev even if there is CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED activated ? |
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| 21:03.49 | Psi-Jack | SYSFS != UDEV |
| 21:03.57 | rfranknj | r3c4ll: two programs cant open up the alsa device at the same time |
| 21:04.03 | lukas2511 | Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED.... |
| 21:04.05 | rfranknj | if you want to be able to do this, you could use pulseaudio |
| 21:04.09 | r3c4ll | abrotman, i understand that... and i tell you... a X program is using sound... but how i can reproduce sound from console if a xsession is using sound? |
| 21:04.20 | rfranknj | kill whatever is using the alsa device |
| 21:04.21 | Psi-Jack | hmm |
| 21:05.05 | r3c4ll | rfranknj, mmmm and how many programs in a X environment can do they sounds at time |
| 21:05.08 | r3c4ll | ? |
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| 21:05.26 | rfranknj | r3c4ll: 1, unless you use pulseaudio |
| 21:05.30 | rfranknj | or a similar sound server |
| 21:06.01 | rfranknj | i find pulseaudio and padevchooser both started in my fluxbox startup file work quite well |
| 21:06.14 | rfranknj | padevchooser will give you a nice control panel that you can use to change the volume of different programs |
| 21:06.15 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: use "lsof /dev/snd/*" to see what is running |
| 21:06.59 | algokick | Nobody uses dmix with alsa anymore? |
| 21:07.06 | algokick | Damn. pulseaudio sucked last time I used it. |
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| 21:07.23 | rfranknj | algokick: works great for me |
| 21:07.26 | rfranknj | esp with padevchooser |
| 21:07.32 | \amethyst | algokick: I do, more out of habit than any objection to pulseaudio |
| 21:07.39 | \amethyst | algokick: use alsa + dmix, that is |
| 21:07.45 | abrotman | r3c4ll: sounds like you want something like mpd or xmms2 |
| 21:07.47 | algokick | I don't object to pulseaudio. |
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| 21:08.03 | algokick | It just didn't work well last time I used it, which was some time ago. |
| 21:08.25 | \amethyst | algokick: if I tried it and it sucked, I would have an objection to using it :) |
| 21:08.28 | r3c4ll | lsof /dev/snd/* > http://pastebin.com/gjjdhkvd |
| 21:08.28 | rfranknj | audacious :] |
| 21:08.33 | \amethyst | algokick: I just haven't gotten around to trying it |
| 21:08.41 | algokick | Heh, stuff works right now, so I haven't touched it. |
| 21:08.48 | rfranknj | ah, you do have pulseaudio |
| 21:08.50 | algokick | I've been running unstable on the same system for the last...5 years now I think. |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | rfranknj: from the console ? |
| 21:09.05 | algokick | And I set up dmix once and never have messed with it since. |
| 21:09.19 | algokick | My other machine can play four streams in hardware, and I never have more than two sounds at once. |
| 21:09.21 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: maybe there is missing pulseaudio support in the things you want to use ? what do you want to use ? |
| 21:09.25 | rfranknj | abrotman: huh? |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | he's trying to play mp3s from the console |
| 21:09.49 | rfranknj | oh, i didn't realize that |
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| 21:09.54 | r3c4ll | my goal is (via script) play a .ogg file that (warning) a user (using the machine)... in a simple way... what recomend? |
| 21:09.55 | rfranknj | cmus then i guess |
| 21:10.04 | rfranknj | oh then not cmus |
| 21:10.36 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: maybe try this (http://pastebin.com/S0fmunTy) in your /etc/asound.conf |
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| 21:11.11 | grawity | I just installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 on Debian Squeeze, and noticed that PHP scripts are not working in user directories. Then I found this little configuration snippet: http://pastebin.com/eSfYFywn |
| 21:11.17 | grawity | Is there any reason for that? |
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| 21:11.35 | lukas2511 | grawity: security lag |
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| 21:11.47 | wols | !php5 squeeze |
| 21:12.16 | lukas2511 | grawity: just remove the line that says "off" or change the "off" to "on" or something like that and restart apache2 |
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| 21:12.46 | grawity | lukas2511: I know how to change it - I just wanted to ask if there's a significiant reason for having it that way by default. |
| 21:12.47 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, i haven't this file /etc/asound.conf |
| 21:12.59 | grawity | Eh, thanks anyway. |
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| 21:13.20 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: create it |
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| 21:14.39 | r3c4ll | If you want (via sh script) play a .ogg file that (warning) a user (using the machine) under certain circunstances... in a simple way... how do you do it?? |
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| 21:17.00 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, i do... i have to restart something? |
| 21:17.05 | r3c4ll | to it work? |
| 21:17.34 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: dont think so. maybe try to restart alsa-utils but i think this only resets the mixer |
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| 21:18.45 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: oh and i would try to use mpg123 or qplay or something like that |
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| 21:20.00 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, ok i'll try |
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| 21:22.16 | mezood | how do i " Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny" " ? |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | mezood: with a text editor |
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| 21:25.26 | mezood | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/piCXWjfv <-- would that be okay? |
| 21:25.59 | mezood | i'm not sure of what non-local mentions means hehe |
| 21:26.51 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, i create /etc/asound.conf, install mpg123 and play: ==> http://pastebin.com/RUePV6Ru |
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| 21:27.04 | abrotman | mezood: let me look |
| 21:27.19 | abrotman | mezood: you can comment out the cdrom line |
| 21:27.31 | abrotman | mezood: but that should be okay for now |
| 21:28.03 | lukas2511 | mezood: your pulseaudio daemon seems to have a problem, try to kill and restart it.. |
| 21:28.15 | r3c4ll | I mean if i play music with totem and firefox are in youtube.com... it sound... too amsn can do it's sound all in the same time... how i can do to play a sound from console in the same way? |
| 21:28.19 | abrotman | lukas2511: wrong person |
| 21:28.25 | lukas2511 | -.- |
| 21:28.33 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: last message was for you ;) |
| 21:28.43 | lukas2511 | mezood: sry :D |
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| 21:28.48 | mezood | ah lucky, i had no idea of what that was |
| 21:29.14 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, why ? a problem? is a clean installation? all sounds in X session work good :P |
| 21:29.31 | r3c4ll | abrotman, suggest? |
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| 21:30.06 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: do you start mpg123 under another username ? |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | r3c4ll: suggest what ? |
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| 21:30.45 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, yes i'm do probes via ssh in a side by side machine |
| 21:31.23 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: your mpg123 is running on another machine ? is there a pulseaudio daemon running on the remote machine ? :D |
| 21:31.25 | r3c4ll | abrotman, if you can know what i need to play something from console... even if a user is using sound from X? |
| 21:31.42 | abrotman | r3c4ll: didn't i suggest mpd/xmms2 earlier ? |
| 21:31.58 | r3c4ll | xmms2 work from console? |
| 21:32.03 | lukas2511 | r3c4ll: yea you could realy use mpd |
| 21:32.05 | r3c4ll | i don't know |
| 21:32.12 | r3c4ll | ok |
| 21:32.18 | r3c4ll | i'll see |
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| 21:33.19 | lukas2511 | why does make-kpkg not generate a initrd.img file ? initrd support in the kernel is activated and i run make-kpkg with --initrd. i can't see any errors |
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| 21:34.46 | rfranknj | are there any graphical package managers that dont require gnome libs |
| 21:34.49 | \amethyst | lukas2511: do you have initramfs-tools installed when you install the kernel? |
| 21:34.59 | r3c4ll | lukas2511, no i'm in machine A and in machine B is a user using X, i want create an script (in machine B) via ssh that via cron, if X happen, (the script in the machine B, running in the cron B) play a sound (in machine B).... i only are in machine A via ssh to execute you telll me |
| 21:35.09 | r3c4ll | for probes before make the script |
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| 21:35.33 | lukas2511 | \amethyst: initramfs-tools is already the newest version. |
| 21:35.33 | \amethyst | r3c4ll: the mpg123 command you're running in the pastebin... is that on B? |
| 21:35.45 | \amethyst | lukas2511: hm... do you have /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools ? |
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| 21:35.55 | r3c4ll | \amethyst, yes |
| 21:36.04 | lukas2511 | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:36.05 | \amethyst | r3c4ll: ohh |
| 21:36.09 | r3c4ll | ? |
| 21:36.19 | \amethyst | r3c4ll: you're not running it as the same user that's logged in in X, are you? |
| 21:36.31 | \amethyst | r3c4ll: that might be why it can't connect to pulse audio |
| 21:36.42 | r3c4ll | \amethyst, no i'm running it as root |
| 21:36.56 | r3c4ll | mmmMMMMmmm |
| 21:37.01 | r3c4ll | :P |
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| 21:37.54 | r3c4ll | a way to do it (as root or other user not the same in X) from an script? |
| 21:37.59 | dutchfish | lukas2511: are you running squeeze? |
| 21:38.33 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: parts of lenny, parts of squeeze.. wanted to upgrade but udev does not want to install on my kernel so i'm recompiling it with the correct flags |
| 21:38.57 | rfranknj | oh |
| 21:38.58 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: and i need initrd.img because the server has a raid.. |
| 21:39.01 | rfranknj | there's a way to fix that lukas2511 |
| 21:39.03 | rfranknj | i had the same proble |
| 21:39.07 | dutchfish | lukas2511: in that case you can create it manually |
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| 21:39.15 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: how ? |
| 21:39.21 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: how ? |
| 21:39.31 | rfranknj | lukas2511: trying to remember i shoulda written this down |
| 21:39.39 | rfranknj | there's one of those bot help flags in here that'll tell you |
| 21:39.45 | dutchfish | lukas2511: update-initramfstools -c -k [kernel-version] |
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| 21:40.09 | rfranknj | !tell lukas2511 about udev squeeze |
| 21:40.15 | rfranknj | did that work? |
| 21:40.27 | dutchfish | sorry its: update-initramfs -c -k |
| 21:40.55 | lukas2511 | rfranknj: i can't install the squeeze kernel cause i need a openvz kernel |
| 21:41.17 | dutchfish | after that and reboot you can do the udev update |
| 21:41.49 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: yea it genrated a initrd.img :D |
| 21:42.01 | dutchfish | ok |
| 21:42.08 | dutchfish | update-grub |
| 21:42.24 | dutchfish | then reboot |
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| 21:42.38 | dutchfish | and finish the dist-upgrade |
| 21:42.53 | lukas2511 | do i need update-grub if i edit menu.lst on my own ? |
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| 21:42.59 | dutchfish | yes |
| 21:43.00 | stuckey | Hello |
| 21:43.06 | stuckey | I removed compiz, but now I have no window borders |
| 21:43.19 | stuckey | Like, I can't reposition windows, etc. |
| 21:43.55 | wols | lukas2511: depends what you edit. if you edit any setting that is commented out, then yes |
| 21:44.06 | lukas2511 | ok now.. i will try to reboot.. |
| 21:44.07 | wols | stuckey: even after restarting X? |
| 21:44.20 | stuckey | wols: yes - didn't show up until I reset x. |
| 21:44.23 | lukas2511 | this doesn't feel good... |
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| 21:44.45 | wols | stuckey: what desktop environment? |
| 21:44.51 | stuckey | gnome |
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| 21:44.59 | lukas2511 | stuckey: install metacity |
| 21:44.59 | dutchfish | lukas2511: ? |
| 21:45.06 | wols | gnome uses sawfish IIRC. check if it's installed |
| 21:45.15 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: all the uptime is lost, doesn't feel good |
| 21:45.24 | \amethyst | wols: wow, you haven't used GNOME in a while have you? |
| 21:45.51 | dutchfish | lukas2511: why did you a dist-upgrade then? |
| 21:45.53 | stuckey | Metacity is installed already |
| 21:46.05 | dutchfish | lukas2511: or at keast a newer kernel |
| 21:46.29 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: needed many many new package versions.. so many that reinstalling every single package would not make sense anymore |
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| 21:46.38 | stuckey | damn it |
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| 21:46.45 | wols | \amethyst: feq months ago. but I admit, not really a lot and I didn't check what it installed |
| 21:46.46 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: and the new kernel version because of udev |
| 21:46.48 | dutchfish | lukas2511: then you have no choice, a newer kernel involves a reboot |
| 21:47.55 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: ok i'm in.. |
| 21:47.55 | \amethyst | wols: I think metacity replaced sawfish as the default about 7 and a half years ago :) |
| 21:47.55 | lukas2511 | dutchfish: i love you <3 "Linux okta-nyx.de 2.6.27.45" |
| 21:47.56 | dutchfish | lukas2511: nah, its ok ;) now carefully complete the rest |
| 21:48.26 | stuckey | Does anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 21:48.31 | stuckey | I've no window borders and I can't move windows |
| 21:48.40 | stuckey | I don't get any menus |
| 21:48.48 | lukas2511 | oh in all these troubles i forget to remove the kernel option i wanted to remove all the time >.< |
| 21:49.05 | \amethyst | stuckey: does running metacity by hand fix it? |
| 21:49.15 | lukas2511 | stuckey: install metapackage "gnome" |
| 21:49.22 | \amethyst | stuckey: (I'm assuming you have a terminal window open or can get to one) |
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| 21:49.34 | stuckey | lukas2511: can't get to a terminal |
| 21:49.39 | abrotman | stuckey: right click on the desktop .. launch an xterm .. type 'metacity &' |
| 21:49.53 | lukas2511 | stuckey: <Ctrl>+<Alt>+F1 |
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| 21:50.09 | stuckey | lukas2511: okay installing gnome now |
| 21:50.28 | \amethyst | stuckey: you could try running DISPLAY=:0 metacity & from a text console (ctrl-alt-f1) |
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| 21:50.58 | mezood | abrotman: i got lots of conflicts when using aptitude safe-upgrade, is it ok? |
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| 21:51.06 | abrotman | mezood: put it in a pastebin |
| 21:51.12 | mezood | ok |
| 21:51.28 | stuckey | \amethyst: that fixed it |
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| 21:52.04 | stuckey | \amethyst: what do I do so that this doesn't happen again? |
| 21:52.32 | mezood | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/00kZkYCy |
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| 21:53.11 | abrotman | mezood: LANG=C aptitude safe-upgrade .. paste it again |
| 21:53.28 | \amethyst | stuckey: run gnome-session-properties, go to session options, and click "Remember Currently Running Applications" |
| 21:53.40 | \amethyst | stuckey: I believe that will do it |
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| 21:55.52 | stuckey | gnome installs so much stuff |
| 21:56.31 | lukas2511 | stuckey: yeah it's a metapackage for a complete gnome-environment |
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| 22:00.21 | Psi-Jack | Hmmmm.. Well, that's annoying as heck. I just tried to test out my redundant active-active firewall by unplugging the network interface itself leading to the internet bridge device, to force it to switch the primary to fault/backup mode and switch the backup to master mode, and it didn't. |
| 22:01.41 | zozo | Psi-Jack maybe i have miss the whole question you re using heartbeat |
| 22:01.43 | mezood | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/3ujcYFya |
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| 22:01.58 | Psi-Jack | zozo: No heartbeat is involved, keepalived purely. |
| 22:02.04 | Psi-Jack | VRRP. |
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| 22:03.17 | Psi-Jack | Maybe I just need to pack up all the Virtual IP's used for the NET/DMZ/LAN IP's into one section instead of 3 seperate instances, into 1 instance only. |
| 22:03.29 | Psi-Jack | Cause I have a vrrp_instance for VI_NET, VI_DMZ, VI_LAN |
| 22:03.35 | morenojee | hello! what is most common used firewall application in debian also what is the second and third most used firewall app? any idea? thanks |
| 22:03.37 | abrotman | mezood: before doing this step, did you do the 'aptitude update && aptitude install dpkg aptitude' ? |
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| 22:04.43 | mezood | abrotman: i did aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; |
| 22:04.53 | mezood | because its what dpkg said |
| 22:05.03 | morenojee | I know there is "iptables", but not sure if this is everyone choice in debian or elsewhere? |
| 22:05.20 | wols | morenojee: it's the only choice |
| 22:05.27 | wols | morenojee: with all linux distros |
| 22:05.30 | Wyzard | morenojee: iptables is the kernel facility that actually does packet filtering |
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| 22:05.33 | abrotman | mezood: then go ahead and continue .. you can clean up the broken bits later |
| 22:05.44 | mezood | abrotman: ok |
| 22:05.52 | wols | Wyzard: netfilter |
| 22:05.54 | morenojee | wols:~ do you mean "iptables" is all -> most popular fw |
| 22:05.59 | rvsjoen | morenojee: any other 'app' is just a frontend to iptables |
| 22:06.03 | Wyzard | morenojee: All the firewall packages, like firehol and shorewall, are front-ends for generating iptables rules from a config file |
| 22:06.13 | wols | morenojee: I mean iptables is the only program setting firewall rules. there are no others |
| 22:06.26 | morenojee | ohh |
| 22:06.39 | rvsjoen | well, acutally iptables is just an interface to netfilter, but thats just semantics |
| 22:08.17 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
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| 22:08.30 | morenojee | Guys thank you for your quick answers... so far the fastest answers comparing to other channels ;) good day |
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| 22:09.59 | RedCom | evening, someone got a minute to help me reassemble a broken raid array? something got awry after installation and 1 of the arrays doesn't come up |
| 22:10.37 | RedCom | the individual partitions aren't showing up in /dev either, but they still show in fdisk -l as raid autodetect |
| 22:10.39 | zozo | redcom ok explain what you have |
| 22:11.27 | RedCom | I have a 6 drives, 4 of those make 2 raid arrays (raid 1) |
| 22:11.42 | RedCom | and 1 of those refuses to come up after I installed squeeze |
| 22:11.47 | zozo | using soft raid (mdadm) |
| 22:11.52 | RedCom | yup |
| 22:12.12 | zozo | what in /proc/md |
| 22:12.34 | RedCom | md127 : inactive sdb[1](S) sdc[0](S) |
| 22:12.34 | RedCom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.53 | RedCom | the good array shows normally as /dev/md1 |
| 22:12.59 | zozo | try mdadm -D /dev/md1 |
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| 22:13.19 | zozo | or mdadm -D /dev/md127 |
| 22:13.23 | stuckey | \amethyst: fixed it by removing gnome and installnig xdm/wmii |
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| 22:14.18 | RedCom | md127 : inactive sdb[1](S) sdc[0](S) |
| 22:14.18 | RedCom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.54 | RedCom | Working devices: 2, some UUID and members sdc and sdb |
| 22:15.25 | zozo | redcon can you paste the result of mdadm -D /dev/md127 |
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| 22:15.53 | RedCom | pc-steven:/etc# mdadm -D /dev/md127 |
| 22:15.54 | RedCom | /dev/md127: |
| 22:15.54 | RedCom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.54 | RedCom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.54 | RedCom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.15 | RedCom | right.. |
| 22:16.26 | zozo | redcom use pastebin |
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| 22:17.10 | RedCom | http://pastebin.com/zQnkJ0SD |
| 22:17.49 | RedCom | that UUID seems different from the one in mdadm.conf from the previous installation |
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| 22:21.12 | RedCom | when I issue the --assemble command, it refuses, saying /dev/sdb1 doesn't have a superblock |
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| 22:22.52 | zozo | very strange |
| 22:23.14 | zozo | what in the /etc/mdadm.com and the result of mdadm --detail --scan |
| 22:23.52 | RedCom | ARRAY /dev/md/imsm0 metadata=imsm UUID=bb1d9842:2645811e:f7e9a90b:a960eb71 |
| 22:23.52 | RedCom | ARRAY /dev/md1 metadata=0.90 UUID=ff250749:143c6552:b67a5c0e:a6a59739 |
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| 22:25.22 | RedCom | content of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is on http://pastebin.com/J4q1vW58 |
| 22:25.44 | r3c4ll | how i execute a command like another user (example if i'm root and want execute play as user01)? |
| 22:25.51 | r3c4ll | is for use in a shell script |
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| 22:27.20 | RedCom | r3c4ll, su -c "command" username, I think should do it (but there are other ways) |
| 22:27.31 | zozo | ok before md1 was raid 1 |
| 22:27.57 | RedCom | originally there were 2 arrays, md0 and md1 |
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| 22:28.09 | RedCom | md1 is fine, but md0 is a problem |
| 22:28.18 | RedCom | both raid 1 |
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| 22:29.27 | RedCom | the file on pastebin is what I got after installation of squeeze (on a different disk than lenny) |
| 22:29.53 | RedCom | well... almost |
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| 22:30.33 | zozo | what give a mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 22:30.36 | RedCom | I recall changing the file, ARRAY /dev/md0 was ARRAY /dev/md/something |
| 22:31.54 | RedCom | no such file or directory for /dev/md0 |
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| 22:33.17 | RedCom | after squeeze installation it was /dev/md/something, but because the array didn't come up, I changed it around a bit |
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| 22:34.58 | mbutUbuntu01 | hello folks |
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| 22:35.14 | mbutUbuntu01 | I'm searching for an installable debian as xen paravirtualized guest |
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| 22:35.16 | RedCom | I don't know what that container got to do with it, I never saw that before, just simple arrays |
| 22:35.17 | zozo | have you try mdadm -I /dev/md0 |
| 22:35.35 | mbutUbuntu01 | on centos website I've found the working http link that needs xen |
| 22:35.42 | mbutUbuntu01 | on debian I don't |
| 22:35.44 | RedCom | no file or directory |
| 22:36.03 | zozo | then |
| 22:36.05 | zozo | mdadm -A -e imsm /dev/md0 /dev/sd[ab] |
| 22:36.27 | Psi-Jack | What does allow-hotplug INT actually do? |
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| 22:36.34 | Psi-Jack | From /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:36.59 | RedCom | mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sdb: Device or resource busy |
| 22:36.59 | RedCom | mdadm: /dev/sdb has no superblock - assembly aborted |
| 22:37.00 | zozo | sorry replace /dev/sd[ab] by /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda1 i |
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| 22:37.07 | dvs | Psi-Jack: it's really similar to auto |
| 22:37.26 | Psi-Jack | I understand, but what does it actually /do/? |
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| 22:37.50 | RedCom | same message, zozo |
| 22:37.56 | dvs | Psi-Jack: it will activate the interface only if that port is available. auto will try and activate the interface no matter what. |
| 22:38.01 | Psi-Jack | I'm trying to figure out why when I unplugged my Internet NIC, it didn't cause keepalived to FAULT the VRRP group of VI_NET, VI_DMZ, and VI_LAN altogether. |
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| 22:38.54 | zozo | edCom: no file or directory |
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| 22:39.10 | RedCom | what worries me is that neither sdb1 or sdc1 show up in /dev, but only sdb and sdc (sda is not used in the array) |
| 22:40.13 | zozo | ok is because of isms |
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| 22:41.12 | RedCom | would it help if I boot up the old installation (lenny) again from the other drive and see if it properly assembles md0 |
| 22:41.25 | zozo | before try mdadm -E /dev/md127 |
| 22:41.34 | zozo | paste the result |
| 22:42.17 | zozo | what is the result of mount just to be sure |
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| 22:42.42 | RedCom | http://pastebin.com/KBhZkqsQ |
| 22:42.50 | RedCom | mount of md127? |
| 22:43.29 | zozo | just the command mount to see what is mount actually |
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| 22:44.39 | RedCom | http://pastebin.com/7Zyar8Hi |
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| 22:46.05 | zozo | and mdadm /dev/md1 just ot understand |
| 22:46.06 | RedCom | just a sec, I'm reconnecting with my laptop |
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| 22:48.27 | RedCom | any suggestions? I can I try booting the old installation? |
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| 22:49.41 | Ruyan | Hi there, I have a question, I'm trying to compile instantbird using xulrunner installed in debian by default, but its showing me the nspr-config is not found and I found it at /usr/bin/ |
| 22:49.45 | zozo | what give and mdadm /dev/md1 just ot understand |
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| 22:50.31 | dutchfish | Ruyan: libnspr4-dev: /usr/bin/nspr-config |
| 22:50.55 | \amethyst | Ruyan: could you pastebin the config.log ? |
| 22:51.27 | Ruyan | from compiling? |
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| 22:52.29 | RedCom | zozo, /dev/md1: 931.51GiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. |
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| 22:52.57 | zozo | redcon what are the device name |
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| 22:53.05 | Ryushin | Is there a command to check whether a shell is connected via console or ssh? I'm trying to write a script to execute something only if a login occured via console. |
| 22:53.09 | Ruyan | here is http://pastebin.com/XQWU34dD |
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| 22:53.59 | RedCom | sde1 and sdf1 |
| 22:54.30 | RedCom | sda and sdd aren't used in the arrays, sdb and sdc are for md0 and e and f for md1 |
| 22:55.01 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 22:55.05 | Ruyan | \amethyst: here is pastbin http://pastebin.com/XQWU34dD |
| 22:55.25 | Psi-Jack | Curious. lm_sensors is inaccurate which I am seeing now, but is there a way to get sensord to use ACPI for what lm_sensors does? |
| 22:55.47 | zozo | so you have sdb1 sdc1 for md0 |
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| 22:55.57 | RedCom | correct |
| 22:56.44 | zozo | can you mount /dev/md127 |
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| 22:57.15 | zozo | or cfdisk /dev/md127 |
| 22:57.21 | RedCom | no, using -t auto is asks to give a type and when I specify ext3 it fails as well |
| 22:57.59 | \amethyst | Ruyan: hm, it's looking for nspr-config in the wrong place |
| 22:58.01 | RedCom | just a sec, currently fixing grub to boot the old install again, see if the array come up there |
| 22:58.26 | \amethyst | Ruyan: it's looking for it inside your build directory |
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| 22:59.08 | zozo | hace you try cfdisk /dev/md127 |
| 22:59.12 | Ruyan | yes, developer from instantbird told me to add path to the xulrunner which i have installed in the system |
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| 23:00.02 | zozo | do you have a /dev/imsm0 |
| 23:00.12 | dutchfish | Ruyan: this makes no sence softokn3 is a Windows library |
| 23:00.43 | Ruyan | ehh |
| 23:01.04 | Ruyan | what the ... I'm under linux |
| 23:01.25 | RedCom | zozo, array comes up fine in the old install, so it appears to be a config thing |
| 23:01.35 | dutchfish | Ruyan: line 417 form your pastebin |
| 23:01.44 | Ruyan | I know |
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| 23:02.16 | Ruyan | i don't know why |
| 23:02.37 | dutchfish | Ruyan: i have no idee why, but there are simular posts on the web found, i consider this a bug |
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| 23:02.54 | zozo | ok |
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| 23:03.03 | Ruyan | I just put ac_add_options --with-libxul-sdk=<PATH> to mozconfig |
| 23:03.07 | Ruyan | ant its all |
| 23:03.50 | RedCom | can we bring down that container and re-assemble md0 afterwards? |
| 23:04.23 | dutchfish | Ruyan: is NSS installe don your system? |
| 23:05.18 | Ruyan | yes, libnss3 |
| 23:05.30 | RedCom | hmm... |
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| 23:05.52 | dutchfish | Ruyan: i don't now if it breaks your system, could you try it on a system without libnns3 ? |
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| 23:06.22 | Ruyan | compile without libnss3 |
| 23:06.23 | dutchfish | Ruyan: its a wild gues |
| 23:06.23 | RedCom | zozo.... the lenny install disc recognizes md0 and md1, the netinstall from squeeze sees md1 and md127, might be a kernel thing? |
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| 23:07.44 | Ruyan | dutchfish: it's really wild |
| 23:07.51 | r3c4ll | what is kcryptd? what do? in who application generally come as dependence? i havent installed and now are running in my host |
| 23:08.06 | dutchfish | Ruyan: fair enough, but i still consider it a bug |
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| 23:08.58 | dutchfish | Ruyan: bacuse this makes no sence, softokn3 is a Windows library |
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| 23:09.55 | Ruyan | nspr-config there is, but in /usr/bin, when i create symbolic link to the /usr/lib/xulrunner-dev-1.9 but still useless |
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| 23:10.17 | dutchfish | nods |
| 23:10.24 | RedCom | md126 -.^ |
| 23:11.26 | Ruyan | but there is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsoftokn3 and ld there is |
| 23:11.49 | dutchfish | Ruyan: either report it as a bug, or ask the maintainers of that dev package |
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| 23:12.57 | dutchfish | Ruyan: if you want to hunt it yourself, you could start at the config scripts |
| 23:13.44 | \amethyst | is it maybe using some 'internal' version of nss-config instead of the one in /usr/bin ? |
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| 23:14.16 | Ruyan | don't know, how can i find it out |
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| 23:14.29 | \amethyst | Ruyan: check your config.log maybe |
| 23:15.22 | Ruyan | config.log of debian? |
| 23:15.57 | \amethyst | Ruyan: when you run ./configure it should generate a file 'config.log' in the build directory |
| 23:16.21 | Ruyan | instantbird is using make -f client.mk build |
| 23:16.26 | \amethyst | oh |
| 23:16.48 | \amethyst | sounds like you need to edit that makefile then |
| 23:16.56 | \amethyst | sorry, I had thought it was using autoconf |
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| 23:17.06 | pmo | my new config doesn't start ? i bought a core i3.. with H55M-E33 from msi.. but system doesn't even start;. nothing. not even power supply to start, any clues ? |
| 23:17.11 | \amethyst | the clinet.mk I mean |
| 23:17.20 | Ruyan | shall i pastbin the client.mk |
| 23:17.32 | \amethyst | Ruyan: sure |
| 23:17.42 | \amethyst | pmo: I'm pretty sure it's not a Debian problem :) |
| 23:17.58 | pmo | \amethyst, could be, i was supposed to install debian :) |
| 23:18.00 | \amethyst | pmo: checked all the cables? |
| 23:18.09 | Ruyan | http://pastebin.com/qnnmhZnd |
| 23:18.38 | pmo | \amethyst, did.. the only thing i saw.. was.. i have an old power supply.. ATX ver 1.3.. but connectors were ok, |
| 23:19.24 | \amethyst | Ruyan: hm, I guess the relevant parts aren't in client.mk, since I see nothing about nspr-config or nss-config |
| 23:19.38 | pmo | \amethyst, msi mention.. more then 18A on 12V.. and power supply mention exactly 18A 12V (max) |
| 23:20.12 | \amethyst | pmo: you might try borrowing a beefier power supply to see if that works, then |
| 23:20.29 | \amethyst | pmo: ##hardware can probably help more than we can |
| 23:20.31 | Ruyan | line 168 |
| 23:20.52 | pmo | \amethyst, maybe.. i am gonna ask them, but thanks a lot for trying ;-) |
| 23:21.55 | \amethyst | Ruyan: I know nothing about the mozilla build system... you might be able to get more help from #firefox or somewhere on irc.mozilla.org |
| 23:22.12 | Ruyan | maby this: http://pastebin.com/AkMpygFH |
| 23:22.24 | Ruyan | I know, I'm talking to them also |
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| 23:23.07 | \amethyst | err |
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| 23:23.19 | \amethyst | it looks like it's trying to build a built-in copy of nspr? |
| 23:23.45 | \amethyst | or maybe they edited the nspr makefile and forgot to change all the references? |
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| 23:24.15 | \amethyst | I say this because of the last line |
| 23:24.54 | RedCom | I'm letting it go for now, and keep the old installation for a while. I just don't understand why the first array doesn't work, but the second does |
| 23:25.17 | dutchfish | \amethyst: i have the same thought about it |
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| 23:26.03 | stwange | I'm trying to connect to an ipsec/l2tp VPN and it keeps saying it's unable to identify. Please can someone help? I'm out of idea. Openswan conf: http://pastie.org/private/n7w9qndtmgzbmhhjkprt3g |
| 23:26.25 | Ruyan | so, trying to create own nspr? |
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| 23:27.41 | _Trinity_ | anyone succesfuilly install iceape? |
| 23:27.56 | stwange | If you're talking to me Ruyan, I've no idea :) |
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| 23:28.16 | \amethyst | stwange: no, he was talking to me and dutchfish |
| 23:28.34 | stwange | shame, thought I'd got some attention straight away :) |
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| 23:30.27 | wols | _Trinity_: always state your real problem |
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| 23:31.52 | Ruyan | thx gus, I will try find it out |
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| 23:32.03 | dutchfish | Ruyan: good luck |
| 23:32.53 | Ruyan | maybe i should install mozilla sdk and try it again |
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| 23:36.06 | mezod | abrotman seems the irssi crashed for relocation or something |
| 23:36.14 | dbbolton | i need help with a dependency issue: http://paste.debian.net/63989/ |
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| 23:36.17 | abrotman | relocation ? |
| 23:36.34 | abrotman | dbbolton: the command you typed and all the output would be better |
| 23:36.58 | dbbolton | abrotman, "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
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| 23:37.33 | dutchfish | dbbolton: are trying to compile mesa in squeeze by accident? |
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| 23:37.42 | \amethyst | dbbolton: try aptitude install libgd2-xpm libgd2-noxpm_ cvsnt cvs_ ? |
| 23:37.54 | dbbolton | dutchfish, no |
| 23:38.04 | mezod | abrotman i cant paste it its in the other pc, it says: irssi: relocation error, its like it overwrote something |
| 23:38.19 | dbbolton | \amethyst, why wouldnt aptitude just install them |
| 23:38.21 | abrotman | mezod: did you finish the dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:38.32 | mezod | nope its still working |
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| 23:39.13 | mezod | i hope it ends soon hehe its on the aptitude full-upgrade , i think its the last to do |
| 23:39.20 | \amethyst | dbbolton: because safe-upgrade does not like to remove packages |
| 23:39.38 | \amethyst | dbbolton: and it's necessary to remove libgd2-noxpm to install libgd2-xpm (likewise cvs and cvsnt) |
| 23:40.02 | \amethyst | dbbolton: the underscores in aptitude install libgd2-xpm libgd2-noxpm_ cvsnt cvs_ mean 'purge, rather than install' |
| 23:40.28 | \amethyst | dbbolton: alternatively, use full-upgrade instead of safe-upgrade |
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| 23:45.40 | km0ti0n | What's the best way to manage hosts for 10 - 20 machines. Normally I would just mod the /etc/hosts but that's a bit of pain when you have over 15 boxes. I guess I could use a DNS server, but thought that might be an over kill, any mid-way? |
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| 23:47.23 | mezod | abrotman it has ended but it doesnt seem i can use irssi |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | km0ti0n: internal? |
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| 23:47.39 | abrotman | mezod: try running it again |
| 23:47.51 | km0ti0n | abrotman: aye. |
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| 23:48.04 | mezod | yep |
| 23:48.08 | abrotman | km0ti0n: you could distribute the file with NIS (not really fun), use DNS, use samba/nmbd |
| 23:48.27 | mezod | says i'm banned from debian? |
| 23:48.53 | km0ti0n | humm. Okay, I'll just use some DNS then, what's a good light weight DNS server? |
| 23:49.02 | hideo | dnsmasq |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | mezod: are you trying to IRC as root ? |
| 23:49.41 | adb | abrotman, nfs is same as nis ? just to remind me |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | adb: not even close |
| 23:49.59 | adb | thanks |
| 23:50.01 | km0ti0n | Oh, actually, I'm already running shorewall on a gateway that all the zones connect through. |
| 23:50.09 | mezod | duh yeah my fault |
| 23:50.37 | km0ti0n | I might aswell use that. Though, I really wanted to keep anything else off that box. |
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| 23:51.12 | mezood | now :P |
| 23:51.25 | km0ti0n | I guess I could fire up an old bit of kit, doesn't need to be any good I guess, it's not going to be doing a great deal. |
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| 23:52.18 | km0ti0n | Or do most poeple run dnsmasq on their gateways too? |
| 23:52.27 | km0ti0n | re-adjust his tinfoil hat |
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| 23:53.38 | mezood | abrotman: so can i set my wifi now? |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | mezood: maybe?! |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | mezood: what is your wifi card ? put your sources.list in a pastebin again |
| 23:54.22 | mezood | should i try ip3945 again? |
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| 23:55.46 | reeeeeesty | whats the S runlevel mean in 'chkconfig' ? |
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| 23:57.04 | hideo | reeeeeesty: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 23:57.12 | earthian | hmm..! |
| 23:57.27 | earthian | my server just went offline when i tried installing smartmontools |
| 23:57.30 | earthian | crashed |
| 23:57.31 | earthian | :/ |
| 23:57.35 | earthian | lenny |
| 23:57.57 | mezood | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/7LW9BBqQ |
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| 23:58.19 | abrotman | mezood: gconf errors ? |
| 23:59.10 | reeeeeesty | anyone? |
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| 23:59.34 | earthian | last messages from the ssh session: http://pastebin.com/1E2W9u7u |
| 23:59.35 | Texou | hi |
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| 23:59.41 | reeeeeesty | oh sorry, didnt see that hideo |
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