| 00:00.18 | Bohemian | how do i see what version of software i have installed? |
| 00:00.21 | Bohemian | in this case, tomcat |
| 00:00.53 | mirror_man | abrotman: Well, aptitude full-upgrade presents a couple of different problems but does suggest a solution so I'm going with that. Thanks. |
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| 00:01.19 | Bohemian | besides viewing release notes |
| 00:01.41 | jamon | Bohemian: try dpkg -l package-name |
| 00:02.03 | Bohemian | thank you very much |
| 00:02.26 | jamon | Bohemian: apt-cache show package-name is handy too |
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| 00:02.45 | jamon | Bohemian: it works for packages that you don't have installed |
| 00:02.47 | Bohemian | besides aptitude fighting through errors, any other reasons to use it over apt-get? |
| 00:02.51 | Bohemian | ah :) |
| 00:03.12 | rvsjoen | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 00:03.12 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 00:03.58 | jamon | Bohemian: i use apt-cache b/c i'm not sure how to make aptitude show package-name give me two+ versions of a package |
| 00:04.08 | jamon | otherwise aptitude show is fine |
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| 00:06.15 | Bohemian | anyone here know about LSB information? |
| 00:06.27 | Bohemian | i'm trying to write an init.d script from a tutorial and it won't work, i've tried a few |
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| 00:06.36 | Bohemian | i read the page but it didn't make it less easier to understand |
| 00:06.43 | Bohemian | here's the error and the script... any advice is welcomed |
| 00:06.55 | Bohemian | http://pastebin.com/NqZ54eBX |
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| 00:11.10 | endri | in about 8 minutes i will be finished. what should i do then |
| 00:11.20 | endri | go to init 1 |
| 00:11.33 | endri | and then make a copy of my current system |
| 00:11.49 | Bohemian | endri: you could help me :) |
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| 00:12.23 | Ricoshady | why would adding any of these modules add exim4? mysql-server-5.0 php5-curl php5-mysql php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mhash |
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| 00:12.59 | themill | dpkg: tell Ricoshady about why an mta |
| 00:13.17 | themill | Ricoshady: in particular, mysql wants to be able to tell you when it's in trouble. |
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| 00:14.00 | endri | Bohemian: :) |
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| 00:14.25 | eix | endri: is it going OK? |
| 00:14.29 | Ricoshady | thanks, makes sense |
| 00:14.42 | endri | yes it is installing the packages |
| 00:14.53 | eix | does anybody know a GRUB hack to boot the bootable partition of a USB device? |
| 00:15.03 | eix | I wonder if it even exists.. |
| 00:15.07 | themill | Ricoshady: for future reference, "aptitude why package1 package2" can be quite handy. So "aptitude why mysql-server-5.0 exim4" for example |
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| 00:15.58 | endri | eix is it possible to boot directly to this system without whiping the root partition? |
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| 00:16.50 | eix | endri: no..it would be extremely complicate to do that. or you would end up with a permanently chrooted system, which is a nice spring for fuzzyness |
| 00:17.01 | eix | endri: if you told me in the beginning we would have done a partition |
| 00:17.38 | endri | no i do not want to create a partition |
| 00:17.56 | endri | i just wanted to test it ... |
| 00:18.18 | Bohemian | does tomcat-6.x exist anywhere in debian? |
| 00:18.23 | Bohemian | or can i only get 5.5? |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | Bohemian: yes, but not in stable |
| 00:18.57 | eix | endri: as soon as it is ready, just chroot into it from a VT and imagine you just booted into it |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | and not in backports |
| 00:19.18 | Bohemian | abrotman: how do i download it then? |
| 00:19.24 | eix | why nomodeset had not effect on my brand new squeeze? |
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| 00:19.30 | abrotman | Bohemian: ideally, you wouldn't |
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| 00:20.27 | Bohemian | abrotman: why not? i need it and i can't get the manual install working |
| 00:20.41 | Bohemian | can you take a look at the error i posted a few minutes ago? |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | Bohemian: it's not packaged for oyur version, tomcat is pretty complicated so making your own bakcport would probably be messy .. your 'easiest' option is their tarball plus stow/checkinstall |
| 00:20.52 | Bohemian | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/NqZ54eBX |
| 00:20.57 | endri | eix i have this warning: "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100" |
| 00:21.15 | eix | endri: I'd ignore it |
| 00:21.19 | endri | ok |
| 00:21.29 | endri | finished then |
| 00:21.33 | eix | endri: then if your network card doesn't work, suddenly remember about it |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | Bohemian: you have two issues .. the first gives you a URL .. the second tells you the file already exists |
| 00:21.54 | eix | endri: good |
| 00:22.06 | endri | what should i do? |
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| 00:22.19 | Bohemian | abrotman: so what do i do? i need to look at any init script and put in the right header, then what? |
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| 00:22.39 | abrotman | try again ? .. or ask #tomcat ? |
| 00:22.52 | eix | endri: you can't boot into it..and it most surely works |
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| 00:23.17 | eix | endri: I suggest you to remove /boot/ contents |
| 00:23.23 | eix | endri: (from original root) |
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| 00:23.41 | eix | endri: then you carefully (re)move most of your system away |
| 00:23.48 | eix | and finally install grub |
| 00:23.57 | eix | "Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error" has anybody experienced this? |
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| 00:26.02 | endri | eix so i did "mv /boot backup/; cp -r deboot/boot /" |
| 00:26.08 | endri | is this ok? |
| 00:26.16 | eix | endri: yep |
| 00:26.27 | endri | what do you mean remove almost? |
| 00:26.38 | eix | however you should repeat the copy after grub is installed |
| 00:26.42 | eix | endri: I said "most" |
| 00:26.54 | eix | endri: e.g. you can't remove things like cp or mv |
| 00:27.06 | endri | so everythin not in sbin |
| 00:27.07 | eix | endri: and the core libs |
| 00:27.29 | eix | endri: I have done this once... |
| 00:27.33 | eix | endri: and it worked |
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| 00:27.46 | eix | endri: have you installed grub in the chroot? |
| 00:27.52 | endri | i understand but i dont know what to remove |
| 00:27.54 | endri | yes i did |
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| 00:28.12 | eix | endri: so you are sure that the 1st partition is bootable and GRUB is there and grub.conf is OK? |
| 00:28.13 | endri | was one of the steps in the guide |
| 00:28.17 | eix | endri: ok |
| 00:29.11 | eix | endri: just move all old root directories into the backup directory |
| 00:29.24 | eix | endri: then move the new root directories to the real root |
| 00:29.31 | eix | (after having exited the chroot) |
| 00:30.03 | endri | what about removing ? |
| 00:30.22 | eix | endri: remove everything except things necessary for bash, cp and rm |
| 00:30.30 | eix | because you'll still need them! |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:30.46 | eix | endri: also /lib /usr/lib are necessary |
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| 00:30.57 | eix | abrotman: tf |
| 00:31.23 | endri | so i leave /bin /sbin |
| 00:31.43 | endri | and lib? |
| 00:31.47 | eix | endri: yes |
| 00:31.48 | endri | and /lib? |
| 00:31.56 | eix | endri: yes |
| 00:32.21 | eix | endri: the ideal would be to use busybox to do this... |
| 00:32.31 | eix | endri: the debian kernel should have that |
| 00:32.55 | endri | how? |
| 00:33.18 | eix | endri: the initramfs should be stopped earlier and be put in busybox mode |
| 00:33.31 | eix | endri: that gives you a shell to do these things, theorically |
| 00:33.56 | eix | endri: once you have removed most of the old system, you should use one single 'mv' to put the new system in place of the old one |
| 00:34.06 | eix | endri: this should work - or make big fireworks |
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| 00:35.03 | endri | what about /var? |
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| 00:35.12 | eix | endri: wipe it |
| 00:35.21 | eix | endri: unless you have data there |
| 00:35.25 | eix | endri: like /var/www |
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| 00:36.23 | endri | no i have backup-ed the important things |
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| 00:36.47 | endri | but this is pretty cool |
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| 00:37.02 | eix | endri: if you can move everything with a single 'mv', it will work :) |
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| 00:37.27 | eix | endri: just move the main directories |
| 00:37.29 | adb | endri, eix just take this to #eix , i just made that channel special to you .. |
| 00:37.44 | endri | thanks adb |
| 00:37.46 | eix | adb: ahah funny |
| 00:37.54 | adb | yw |
| 00:38.04 | eix | adb: what about #adb? |
| 00:38.34 | adb | adb has too many yet .. |
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| 00:46.20 | cafuego | Anyone here subscribe to Linux Format and have issue 130? |
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| 00:48.08 | nvz | cafuego: are you a subscriber? |
| 00:48.23 | cafuego | is not |
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| 00:48.36 | nvz | ah, cause its availble as pdf online to subscribers |
| 00:48.51 | cafuego | But I'm told my book scored a 9/10 on page 36 and I'd like to see the review. |
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| 00:49.21 | nvz | ah.. don't you have a damn newstand or bookstore nearby you can just go read it? |
| 00:49.29 | eix | cafuego: they usually send you the page, if you ask |
| 00:49.42 | eix | cafuego: they sent me the page of the article |
| 00:49.43 | cafuego | eix: Oh I should try - ta. |
| 00:49.44 | dvs | cafuego: wondering where you lost the point? ;-) |
| 00:49.50 | nvz | thats another good point.. if it's your book they will likely send you the article |
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| 00:50.01 | eix | nvz: indeed |
| 00:50.01 | cafuego | nvz: Not near enough for instant gratification ;-) |
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| 00:50.08 | eix | ahaha that's true! |
| 00:50.16 | SparFux | Hi all. Why is the debian netinst amd64 iso image smaller than the i386 one? |
| 00:50.22 | nvz | cafuego: so thats where you've been lately eh.. writing books? :-P |
| 00:50.44 | nvz | I see ya pop in every now and then but you don't hang around much like ya used to |
| 00:50.46 | eix | SparFux: because 64bit things are magically better! |
| 00:50.48 | f00li5h | SparFux: likely to do with the number of drivers for "wierd" hardware |
| 00:50.56 | cafuego | nvz: Finished it last May actually ... I've been hiding in Drupal land. |
| 00:51.17 | SparFux | f00li5h: you mean those "weird" drivers are not included in the amd64 version? |
| 00:51.32 | f00li5h | SparFux: perhpas not |
| 00:51.33 | cafuego | nvz: I'm *always* here for nick hilight goodness |
| 00:51.40 | f00li5h | it's a guess... i made it up |
| 00:51.52 | cafuego | nvz: But since I am an author now I already know everything about linux administration... so no need to pay attention ;-) |
| 00:51.54 | SparFux | f00li5h: that's an explanation. And I remember people say 64bit binaries are way bigger. |
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| 00:52.19 | abrotman | cafuego: i gave you a 2/10 :) |
| 00:52.24 | fredden | could anyone give me a hand with a exim4 tls problem I'm having? |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | fredden: ask your real question |
| 00:52.35 | nvz | cafuego: haha.. you sound like O'Reilly media now.. I love sitting around picking out cases where they have no idea wtf they are talking about.. |
| 00:52.36 | cafuego | abrotman: you just hate ubuntu - not surprised |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't hate it.. i hate the users that come in here expecting help and not seeing a problem with that |
| 00:52.58 | nvz | I did however like their Understanding The Linux Kernel.. I just need an updated copy! |
| 00:53.07 | f00li5h | SparFux: I dont know enough aobut what compiling code actually does to be able to intuit an answer to that |
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| 00:53.38 | cafuego | nvz: I guess I focus less on sysadmin stuff and more on web app development... and sick of ubunoobs asking stuff eh ;-) |
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| 00:54.00 | cafuego | I've done my time in support land, if people want more help they can pay me royalties now |
| 00:54.03 | vsmatck | I know why 64 bit binaries are bigger. Is that the question? |
| 00:54.20 | fredden | When I connect to my exim4-heavy server, and start a TLS session; if I'm using the gnutls cli, all is well, but if I use the openssl cli, it bails after a RSET or RCPT TO command. Is there anything that I can do to fix it? |
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| 00:54.50 | nvz | yeah, I'm sure we all feel that way at least a little bit.. though I like being around seeing the new and intersting ways people can fuck shit up with FOSS |
| 00:55.20 | nvz | I always learn new things here. Not to mention I get people telling me what an ass I can be.. and that feedback always helps |
| 00:55.25 | streuner_ | cafuego: author of "Geschichte der O"? ;-) |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | cafuego: can't you buy it there ? |
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| 00:55.52 | eix | cafuego: can you get a living with that? |
| 00:55.59 | vsmatck | Anyways, if that was the question. A 64 bit pointer is 8 bytes, and a 32 bit pointer is 4 bytes. So a 64bit binary is bigger. |
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| 00:56.07 | eix | vsmatck: that was not -.- |
| 00:56.24 | cafuego | eix: With Drupal? yeah. With writing? Maybe after 100-odd books if you like eating plain rice every day. |
| 00:56.33 | vsmatck | doh! |
| 00:56.57 | eix | cafuego: ah, ok. unless you can eat "glory" correct? |
| 00:57.06 | cafuego | pretty much |
| 00:57.12 | nvz | cafuego: you could always start a garden and grow something to go with your rice ;) |
| 00:57.29 | cafuego | nvz: I did, but afreak hails torm killed everything. |
| 00:57.49 | nvz | ugh.. c'est la vie |
| 00:57.54 | cafuego | yeah |
| 00:58.17 | Bohemian | how do i increase my var partition? i used lvm when setting up the box |
| 00:58.22 | cafuego | anyway ... I'll ping lxf and see what they say |
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| 00:58.42 | cafuego | Bohemian: lvresize +nG /dev/mapper/vg-whatever |
| 00:58.48 | cafuego | Bohemian: .. add n GB to it. |
| 00:59.06 | cafuego | Bohemian: Then resize the filesystem. You can resize ext2,3 and xfs online. |
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| 00:59.37 | Bohemian | "online"? |
| 00:59.48 | eix | Bohemian: yeah, directly from the man page |
| 00:59.49 | cafuego | lvresize -L +nG /dev/mapper/vg-whatever even |
| 01:00.03 | cafuego | Bohemian: Yeah. Online. As in: don't have to stop services and unmount. |
| 01:01.03 | streuner_ | cafuego: still in Perth? |
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| 01:01.48 | Bohemian | ah, okay |
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| 01:02.12 | cafuego | streuner_: Not been in Perth for years. I live in Melbourne. |
| 01:02.23 | streuner_ | oh, i forgot, my bad |
| 01:03.05 | streuner_ | can remember now, its liable |
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| 01:04.55 | Bohemian | cafuego: is this a good file about resizing the file system? http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 01:05.15 | Bohemian | oh |
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| 01:05.34 | Bohemian | "resize2fs /dev/xenvg/everything " - that's it? |
| 01:05.43 | cafuego | yep |
| 01:05.46 | fredden | abrotman, looks like my question is a little hard |
| 01:05.58 | Bohemian | what is xenvg? |
| 01:06.06 | cafuego | the name of the volume group |
| 01:06.14 | cafuego | and everything is the name of the volume |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | fredden: i didn't say i would know |
| 01:06.36 | smacnay | Agnes1992 |
| 01:06.44 | Tommy_DO | what's the difference between packages linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64? |
| 01:07.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, trunk |
| 01:07.00 | dpkg | it has been said that trunk is a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . See also <kernel abi>. |
| 01:07.01 | cafuego | smacnay: can i have a hostname and username to go with that rather insecure pw? |
| 01:07.01 | smacnay | time for a new password |
| 01:07.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Tommy_DO about kernel abi |
| 01:07.07 | smacnay | haha |
| 01:07.14 | babilen | Tommy_DO: -trunk- is obsolete, -3- is the new version |
| 01:07.31 | fredden | yeah, I know. but it looks like others don't either :( |
| 01:07.54 | Tommy_DO | themill, babilen. thank you both |
| 01:08.12 | smacnay | changed it |
| 01:08.24 | Bohemian | cafuego: so i leave that part as is, and edit everything to match the ext3 partition? |
| 01:08.27 | smacnay | I assumed that xscreensaver was locked but it wasn't |
| 01:08.28 | Bohemian | sorry, i'm a bit confused |
| 01:08.37 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Have you rebooted already? |
| 01:08.46 | Tommy_DO | babilen: nope |
| 01:08.50 | cafuego | Bohemian: resize2fs /dev/whateveryouusedforlvresize |
| 01:09.15 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Ok, if you do, could you let me/us know if the -3- kernel is the default selection in grub or not |
| 01:09.18 | Bohemian | got it :) |
| 01:09.28 | Bohemian | now once vmware fusion hurries up... |
| 01:09.53 | babilen | Tommy_DO: If it is not, you'll have to manually select it if you want to remove the -trunk- package. |
| 01:09.59 | eix | oh my god, it's full of stars... |
| 01:10.43 | babilen | Tommy_DO: I'm just interested if this behaviour is "normal" (i.e. observed by many users and hence a bug) |
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| 01:12.07 | Tommy_DO | babilen: I'll try in a few minutes. have to recompile nvidia blah as well |
| 01:12.18 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Sure - take your time. |
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| 01:18.50 | Tommy_DO | babilen: -trunk- is default selection in grub |
| 01:19.18 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Ok, thanks for verifying that. |
| 01:19.44 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Make sure you boot the new kernel if you want to remove the -trunk- package |
| 01:19.52 | themill | sounds like a bug in the grub update scripts -- it's probably just doing a string sort so trunk comes up after 3 |
| 01:20.06 | babilen | themill: most likely |
| 01:21.13 | Bohemian | cafuego: i did the lvresize command and got insufficient free space... i typed "lvresize -L +8G /dev/mapper/islam-var" (as islam-var is the name of the volume i need to increase...) |
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| 01:22.27 | slb_ | is there a way to mount multiple hard drives all into one folder? |
| 01:22.29 | cafuego | Bohemian: So is thre 8Gb free on that volume group? |
| 01:22.33 | dondelelcaro | slb_: yes |
| 01:22.35 | cafuego | slb_: lvm |
| 01:22.42 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Which architecture are you using? |
| 01:22.43 | slb_ | thanks ill check it out |
| 01:22.47 | dondelelcaro | slb_: or mda, or unionfs. |
| 01:22.49 | cafuego | Bohemian: Check with 'sudo vgs' |
| 01:22.54 | slb_ | what is the preferred way |
| 01:22.57 | Bohemian | cafuego: no, i'm trying to make 8GB more added to taht islam-var |
| 01:22.57 | Tommy_DO | babilen: am64 |
| 01:23.02 | Tommy_DO | *amd |
| 01:23.06 | babilen | Tommy_DO: ok |
| 01:23.10 | Bohemian | VFree 0 |
| 01:23.24 | cafuego | Bohemian: So no free space to allocate to islam-var |
| 01:23.34 | dondelelcaro | slb_: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 01:23.41 | themill | babilen: lenny's update-grub is moderately more sophisticated than that, but not much. CompareVersions() probably needs to also special case "trunk" along with "pre" "rc" "test" ... |
| 01:23.48 | Bohemian | but i have 22GB total, and only 8GB used in my current partition scheme? |
| 01:23.48 | slb_ | i have 3 hard drives id just like them all to mount to one folder |
| 01:23.55 | slb_ | im not really planning on doing anything special |
| 01:24.02 | slb_ | then ill be sharing that folder over the network with samba |
| 01:24.21 | cafuego | Bohemian: maybe you maxed out the lvm partition but not the whole disk? |
| 01:24.29 | dondelelcaro | slb_: then either use raid5 with software raid, or just lvm, depending on whether you want to have it work after a drive failure |
| 01:24.52 | slb_ | i suppose i could use raid i have an onboard controller |
| 01:24.55 | Bohemian | oooh... well, i just added space to the disc... i am using vmware fusion... does that matter? |
| 01:24.59 | Bohemian | and more importantly, am i fucked? :/ |
| 01:25.03 | cafuego | slb_: Do not use your on-board controller. |
| 01:25.04 | Bohemian | er, sorry for the language |
| 01:25.11 | slb_ | oh |
| 01:25.12 | slb_ | ok |
| 01:25.25 | cafuego | slb_: Use kernel mode software raid. It's faster and more portable. |
| 01:25.40 | slb_ | so thats the preferred method over everything else? |
| 01:25.43 | cafuego | slb_: I usually use lvm on top of kernel sw raid for maximum flexibility. |
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| 01:25.53 | robbles | Hm... is there anyway to get a list of currently upgradeable packages on Debian without connecting to my repositories? I know it's technically possible (since aptitude ncurses gui pupulates an "Upgradeable Packages" list on startup) |
| 01:25.58 | dondelelcaro | slb_: yes, unless you have a hardware raid card or something similar |
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| 01:27.08 | themill | robbles: aptitude search ~U |
| 01:27.11 | slb_ | cafuego: so you say dont use the hardware raid because its not as fast right |
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| 01:27.34 | dondelelcaro | slb_: unless you paid more than about $300 for your raid card, it's not actually hardware raid |
| 01:27.36 | cafuego | slb_: It's not hardware actually. |
| 01:27.37 | robbles | themill: perfect, thanks |
| 01:27.43 | slb_ | ok |
| 01:27.54 | themill | robbles: aptitude can do lots of funky things; /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 01:27.59 | slb_ | i just assume dcause its an onbaord controller it was |
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| 01:28.04 | cafuego | slb_: it's software, except the software in question is closed source in the controller bios. Running on a 100MHz embedded chip. Ie: slow. |
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| 01:28.22 | Bohemian | cafuego: is thhere any thing i can do now? |
| 01:28.28 | slb_ | so what would i use for the raid software in this case |
| 01:28.41 | cafuego | slb_: Kernel raid (called mdraid - NOT dmraid!!) |
| 01:28.47 | Bohemian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.51 | slb_ | ok thanks ill check it out |
| 01:28.52 | cafuego | slb_: it's already in your kernel. |
| 01:29.16 | slb_ | its reliable though right |
| 01:29.24 | cafuego | slb_: yes |
| 01:29.27 | slb_ | ok cool |
| 01:29.30 | cafuego | slb_: Far more than bios raid |
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| 01:29.46 | slb_ | im gonna search around for docs |
| 01:30.02 | cafuego | slb_: In fact, you can stick your raid disks in another linux boz and the array will just work. Not so much with bios raid unless you find an idential mainboard with identical bios version. |
| 01:30.46 | robbles | themill: yeah it's great. There's tons of info in the aptitude-doc- packages but I always forget to look :) |
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| 01:31.42 | slb_ | cafuego: i dont have another linux box so i guess the first option u recommened is probably best in my case |
| 01:32.06 | cafuego | slb_: the mdraid option is pretty much always the best |
| 01:32.18 | slb_ | do u know of any guides offhand? |
| 01:32.31 | cafuego | I wrote one - buy my book ;-) |
| 01:32.43 | slb_ | did u really? |
| 01:32.45 | slb_ | what book |
| 01:32.53 | slb_ | tahts quite an accomplishment |
| 01:33.19 | cafuego | http://apress.com/book/view/1430219122 |
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| 01:33.34 | slb_ | wow you wrote that book? |
| 01:33.54 | cafuego | I'm sure ther are howtos for Debian somewhere on the net, I just don't know where. |
| 01:33.59 | cafuego | slb_: With 2 others, yes |
| 01:34.06 | cafuego | I did write the storage chapter though |
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| 01:36.02 | cafuego | http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Linux_Raid |
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| 01:39.11 | nachox | guys, the tcl8.3 in lenny is compiled with threading support? |
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| 01:49.11 | chelz | so sometime around 7am my local time, a machine i have running debian lenny stopped responding to ssh and pings so i restarted it and things seem to be working okay but i'd really like to figure out what happened. i'm reasonably sure the power didn't go out because the only entries about booting are from today from the restart. |
| 01:49.38 | chelz | is there special evidence kernel panic or something created anywhere? |
| 01:50.03 | cafuego | chelz: only if the machine has write access to the file system when it happened (usually not if it hardlocks) |
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| 01:57.34 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone :P |
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| 02:01.36 | slb_ | cafuego: i know you wrote the book but would u say its a good one |
| 02:02.34 | chelz | well i hadn't installed some updates so that might be it. i guess i'll see if it happens again |
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| 02:04.02 | Bohemian | can someone help, i've tried lvresize... i have a virtual machine with vmware fusion. i ran out of space on my partition of /var. i do not know what to do - i need space on /var again... i'm at 100% full |
| 02:04.40 | cafuego | slb_: Apaprently Linux Format Magazine does - they gave it 9/10. It doesn't specifically cover Debian, but *most* of the Ubuntu material applies to Debian as well. |
| 02:04.49 | slb_ | nice |
| 02:04.55 | slb_ | maybe ill purchase causeim a pretty big noob |
| 02:04.59 | cafuego | slb_: it has some reviews on Amazon, they might be helpful. |
| 02:05.07 | Bohemian | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/addpvstovg.html -- is that what i am suppose to be doing? |
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| 02:07.08 | cafuego | slb_: I won't mention bittorrent searches then ;-) |
| 02:07.35 | Bohemian | or, alternatively, how do i resize my /home partition smaller and move some of the space to my /var partition? |
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| 02:08.08 | dheeraj | hi all,will ncomputing works with debian |
| 02:08.10 | cafuego | Bohemian: So your virtual disk has some unpartitioned space on it now? |
| 02:08.27 | Bohemian | cafuego: somewhere, yes. i enlarged it from 8GB to 22GB |
| 02:09.17 | cafuego | Bohemian: Ok. So the easiest way probably is to use fdisk and make a new partition in that space. |
| 02:09.30 | cafuego | Bohemian: Then you can use lvextend to add that new partition to your vg. |
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| 02:09.38 | Bohemian | can you tell me what to do? |
| 02:09.41 | Bohemian | because i am clueless |
| 02:09.43 | Bohemian | as it shows |
| 02:09.50 | cafuego | Bohemian: Once that is done, you can grow the size of the lv. |
| 02:10.13 | cafuego | Bohemian: Start with fdisk. |
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| 02:10.26 | Bohemian | just type "fdisk" and follow the prompts? |
| 02:10.35 | cafuego | Bohemian: start with 'p' and see if there is free space |
| 02:11.54 | Bohemian | how do i find out the name of the volume of the entire disc? |
| 02:12.10 | cafuego | Your whole disk is likely /dev/sda |
| 02:12.18 | cafuego | You can check with 'dmesg | grep sd' |
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| 02:13.35 | slb_ | cafuego: i never pirate books unless i wanna check it out first i suauly do prefer reading physical copies i hate reading on the computer |
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| 02:13.45 | Bohemian | cafuego: dev/sda1 * 1 32 blocks: 23897 id 83 system linux /dev/sda2 32 1044 8136922+ 8e system: linux lvm |
| 02:14.03 | Bohemian | so sda2 is what i created? |
| 02:14.22 | Bohemian | it says at the top, disk /dev/sda: 23.6GB |
| 02:14.37 | cafuego | Bohemian: sda2 is what was already there. Hit 'n' and create a primary (sda3) of type 8e |
| 02:15.15 | Bohemian | it's asking for partition number 1-4? |
| 02:15.30 | cafuego | 3 |
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| 02:15.52 | Bohemian | okay, used default cylinder sizes |
| 02:15.55 | cafuego | Just accept the defaults for the blocks/sizes. |
| 02:15.59 | cafuego | yep |
| 02:16.04 | cafuego | type 8e |
| 02:16.32 | Bohemian | after i picked the default cylinder sizes (two of them) it gave me a command prompt again |
| 02:16.56 | cafuego | Ok. Check the type via 'p' and if it's not 8e use 't' to change it. |
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| 02:18.06 | Bohemian | got it! |
| 02:18.07 | Bohemian | now what? |
| 02:18.08 | Bohemian | :) |
| 02:18.15 | cafuego | save and quit |
| 02:18.17 | cafuego | 'w' |
| 02:18.23 | cafuego | 'q' |
| 02:18.49 | cafuego | Now you can turn that partition into a pv via pvcreate /dev/sda3 |
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| 02:18.56 | Bohemian | warning: re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: device or resource busy |
| 02:19.12 | Bohemian | the kernel still uses the old table. the new table will be used at the next reboot |
| 02:19.16 | Bohemian | so reboot? |
| 02:19.50 | cafuego | Well .... yes. It's prolly fine without, but lets not take any chances. |
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| 02:20.28 | Bohemian | rebooting, thank you so much |
| 02:20.42 | cafuego | np |
| 02:21.27 | cafuego | Oh crap. You could've just resized the partition :-P |
| 02:21.34 | cafuego | Well, doesn't matter much. |
| 02:21.45 | Bohemian | hehe |
| 02:21.45 | Bohemian | o |
| 02:21.45 | Bohemian | kay, |
| 02:21.45 | Bohemian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.50 | Bohemian | sorry |
| 02:21.52 | cafuego | hah |
| 02:21.57 | Bohemian | sometimes my chat client f*cks up |
| 02:22.02 | Bohemian | now what? |
| 02:22.48 | Bohemian | cafuego: now type in root "pvcreate /dev/sda3"? |
| 02:23.02 | cafuego | So, next step: pvcreate on sda3. Then vgextend to add sda3 to /dev/mapper/islam-var. Then you can lvresize and resize2fs. |
| 02:23.08 | cafuego | Bohemian: yup |
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| 02:23.33 | cafuego | So you'll have 2 partitions making up the islam volume group. |
| 02:23.44 | cafuego | Rather than a single larger partition. |
| 02:24.16 | Bohemian | what's the vgextend command? |
| 02:24.53 | Bohemian | vgextend /dev/sda3 /dev/mapper/islam-var ? |
| 02:25.02 | Bohemian | or other way around? |
| 02:25.05 | cafuego | vgextend islam /dev/sda3 |
| 02:25.21 | cafuego | after that run 'vgs' and check that you have heaps of free space |
| 02:26.36 | Bohemian | cafuego: can i pm you for a second? |
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| 02:28.04 | cafuego | sure |
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| 02:40.16 | kjhkj | hi all, i had debian testing installed for while, then i had the brilliant idea of running apt-get dist-upgrade, so after it upgraded like everything, apt ran grub-install which fucked everything, now when it boots it drops me in grub-rescue console (which also bitches about not finding i dont know, and there are no commands i can run in there, no find or setup or anything). So i tried to... |
| 02:40.18 | kjhkj | ...chroot in my primary partition after booting from the cd with debian testing, but i have nothing in dev, so i can't run grub-install /dev/hda1 |
| 02:40.29 | kjhkj | can somebody help? what can i do to rescue |
| 02:40.55 | kjhkj | and don't say reinstsall |
| 02:41.05 | kjhkj | *reinstall |
| 02:41.42 | kjhkj | and i don't know why they had to get grub2 out, it's a mess |
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| 02:42.35 | kjhkj | i mean grub was just fine, it took me a year to figure how to set it up with two disks, one with debian and one with windows, and just when i had it figured i had to run stupid apt |
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| 02:44.21 | kjhkj | anybody alive? |
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| 02:44.48 | robbles | we're all thinking "reinstall", but you don't want to hear that |
| 02:45.05 | kjhkj | no way it ain't windows |
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| 02:46.32 | kjhkj | everywhere i look about grub rescue i see grub-install *primary partition with install* but i don't have any disk partitions in dev after i chroot |
| 02:49.04 | hanswurst123 | boot from a livecd ... |
| 02:49.10 | kjhkj | and .. ? |
| 02:49.17 | kjhkj | i did that |
| 02:49.23 | kjhkj | then listed the partitions |
| 02:49.33 | kjhkj | and found the one with grub |
| 02:49.35 | cafuego | kjhkj: it's just too hard to talk someone through a rescue boot and grub reinstall |
| 02:50.18 | kjhkj | that helps |
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| 02:51.06 | kjhkj | don't make me go ubuntu :) |
| 02:51.25 | cafuego | blackmail never works |
| 02:51.56 | kjhkj | anyway what do i do after i chroot |
| 02:52.23 | kjhkj | i can't run grub-install because in /dev there ain't my disk |
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| 02:52.44 | kjhkj | or i don't need to chroot? |
| 02:53.19 | kjhkj | why there isn't a live debian ? |
| 02:53.38 | kjhkj | so i can have grub-install on it and run it |
| 02:53.48 | Boohbah | kjhkj: please read the fine manual. it is online |
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| 02:56.52 | kjhkj | see ya |
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| 02:58.18 | Raekism | Hello All, having trouble loading the GUI after a Debian 5 stable release install on x64. I just get command line when booting. I type startx and it cannot load x11. |
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| 02:58.31 | Raekism | I had Debian on this computer running fine before. |
| 02:58.36 | Raekism | any thoughts? |
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| 02:59.26 | Raekism | !gui |
| 02:59.26 | dpkg | well, gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. Ask me about <cli>. See also http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/toolbarsarecool1.gif |
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| 03:07.18 | cafuego | "cannot load x11" is not an error Debian would ever show. |
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| 03:08.02 | Raekism | it boots to the command prompt after fresh install |
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| 03:19.35 | sepult` | why do peple qualify class members with the class itself ? |
| 03:19.58 | Psi-Jack | The redhat-cluster-suite, does it not include the X11 tools for Cluster Manager? |
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| 03:29.08 | anisfarhana | greetings |
| 03:29.53 | anisfarhana | I'm looking for something similar like "ping <host>" in console , but in web-based application , anyone can recommend me one ? |
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| 03:39.38 | dkr | anisfarhana: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
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| 03:41.37 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. |
| 03:41.46 | Psi-Jack | There any magic to getting Xen working in debian? |
| 03:42.30 | anisfarhana | dkr: nice web sir :) |
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| 03:45.21 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack: You have to use the special -xen kernel flavor for dom0 |
| 03:45.30 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack: domU can use regular kernels though |
| 03:46.14 | Psi-Jack | Hmm. Okay. |
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| 03:47.51 | Psi-Jack | Hmm interesting. I installed the linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64, and bootup sayd, "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
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| 03:48.14 | Wyzard | Did you install the Xen hypervisor too? |
| 03:48.18 | Wyzard | That kernel can't boot without it |
| 03:48.33 | Wyzard | You might want to take a look at the xen-linux-system-* packages |
| 03:49.34 | Psi-Jack | Just did. Rebooting now. ;) |
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| 03:50.11 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, dangit, same thing. |
| 03:51.02 | Psi-Jack | And yes, the xen-hypervisor is installed as well. |
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| 03:53.21 | Psi-Jack | Aha |
| 03:57.14 | slb_ | i tried setting up an ethernet bridge on my box to work with tap and openvpn and i have dns setup and my windows box works wiht that dns ip and it all seemed fine but when i restarted my linux box i completely lost my interent connection |
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| 03:57.18 | slb_ | any ideas what i did wrong? |
| 03:57.33 | Psi-Jack | Definitely a very different concept of vm methods than I am used to. |
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| 04:00.17 | Psi-Jack | wiki.debian.org/Xen doesn't seem too helpful on this. |
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| 04:14.33 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 04:14.57 | Psi-Jack | Well, I got it to finally start an installation method: debootstrap, but it never does anything beyond stating that. |
| 04:15.18 | Psi-Jack | Oh, well, nevermind, it's still doing stuff. heh |
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| 04:30.02 | dragonfly | I'm trying to install Squeeze onto a 1005HA and both the wired and wireless are detected when the installer starts, but neither one seems to be working....any suggestions? further info: I'm using an external cd/dvd drive connected via usb currently have tried both a netinstall cd downloaded on March 4 as well as CD-1 downloaded March 14 |
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| 04:34.42 | dragonfly | anyone? |
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| 04:37.29 | DogBoy | sounds like google question to me dragonfly |
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| 04:38.02 | adb | !tell dragonfly -about kmuto |
| 04:38.16 | paranoidphreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.01 | adb | !tell dragonfly -about eeepc |
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| 04:39.20 | paranoidphreak | !dpkg |
| 04:39.21 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 04:39.34 | DogBoy | paranoidphreak, I use gtkpod-aac for that myself |
| 04:40.00 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 04:40.06 | DogBoy | you do umount the ipod first right |
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| 04:41.38 | dragonfly | I've googled it and read quite a bit....was reading more which is why i was slow to respond....haven't found a solution yet |
| 04:41.58 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: yeah, but when it is connected to my computer, i'm able to see the audio files i transferred on to the ipod using rhythmbox but i'll try gtkpod-aac |
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| 04:47.39 | linoge | Hi all, simple question. Can i install debian using the netinst image through chroot ? |
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| 04:49.09 | adb | chroot ? as in Alt + F2 /3 during debian-installer ? |
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| 04:51.56 | linoge | no... i know it must sound very weird.. but, like when you install gentoo? I mean, is there any way to install it from a running OS? |
| 04:52.03 | dragonfly | i think linoge means chroot like booting into a working system, mounting a drive/partition and chrooting to the directory it's mounted to |
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| 04:52.16 | cafuego | linoge: debootstrap |
| 04:52.20 | linoge | dragonfly, that's it :) |
| 04:53.36 | fdfr | hi all, how can i get spell checking in xchat ? it's checked in preferences but no go, i found i needed to install gtkspell wich i did but nothing |
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| 04:55.43 | fdfr | my real question is about dns resolution in debian testing, it's soo slow .. compared to windows (blazing fast) and other debian based distros. it's a pain browsing but one the download get's started goes 100%, any ideas? |
| 04:55.43 | linoge | thanks cafuego |
| 04:56.47 | fdfr | what i tried was to make sure ipv6 is blacklisted, and besides nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf have a search entry i found with nslookup |
| 04:56.51 | tabris|away | fdfr: linux doesn't have a built in DNS cache, so if it does not use a cache that is in your router, it will always go out to the internet. |
| 04:56.54 | fdfr | but nothing improved |
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| 04:57.11 | tabris|away | fdfr: so either you want to add a DNS cache running on your own system and point resolv.conf to it, or add a DNS cache to your router or other system. |
| 04:58.01 | fdfr | tabris|away, well i don't know about that, because backtrack for example resolves just like windows |
| 04:58.17 | tabris|away | backtrack? |
| 04:58.33 | fdfr | tabris|away, you know slackware based distro for doing nice stuff |
| 04:58.44 | wols | fdfr: is avahi running? |
| 04:59.02 | fdfr | wols, nope i disabled that |
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| 04:59.09 | tabris|away | fdfr: a) i dunno backtrack b) I build my own routers using Linux, and point my other boxen to them for DNS caching. |
| 04:59.17 | wols | fdfr: what does your nsswitch.conf say? |
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| 04:59.36 | fdfr | wols, let me find it first :) |
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| 05:01.06 | fdfr | wols, passwd, group and shadow all compat, then hosts: files dns, then networks files, then protocols db files, then services, ethers and rpc same (db files) then netgroup nis |
| 05:01.12 | fdfr | wols, was that what you ment? |
| 05:01.20 | wols | files dns is fine |
| 05:01.36 | wols | which is your nameserver? your router only? |
| 05:02.16 | fdfr | wols, nope i'm on cable so my nameserver it's not the router address like on adsl routers |
| 05:02.42 | wols | how long does a resolving take usually? |
| 05:03.02 | tabris|away | as I said, Windows has its own DNS cache |
| 05:03.11 | fdfr | wols, like from 2 seconds to 3 or 4 |
| 05:03.14 | tabris|away | so yes, the first time will be slow, later resolutions will likely be cached |
| 05:03.31 | wols | fdfr: use another nameserver like 8.8.8.8 then |
| 05:03.41 | wols | to see if that's faster |
| 05:04.00 | fdfr | wols, you mean search for another nameserver than the one i have ? |
| 05:04.01 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: i have installed gtkpod-aac and was able to transfer audio files but it won't show up under music list on the ipod when unpluged |
| 05:04.15 | fdfr | wols, maybe my isp doesn't like linux, that can be one, can it? |
| 05:04.44 | tabris|away | relatively unlikely |
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| 05:05.37 | fdfr | tabris|away, if boot windows, clean up the cache and load google it's instant ( wich cache clean it has to resolve the name), i do the same in debian it's like 3 secs |
| 05:05.55 | fdfr | tabris|away, later i get, it comes to dns cache-- |
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| 05:10.50 | fdfr | wols, well you were right works like a champ |
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| 05:11.10 | fdfr | wols, the isp provides me with a very slow dns for linux |
| 05:11.16 | fdfr | wols, thanks |
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| 05:12.20 | wols | note that 8.8.8.8 is google's public dns. |
| 05:12.48 | fdfr | wols, i found another with better ms time |
| 05:13.07 | fdfr | wols, this one 80.58.0.97 |
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| 05:13.45 | fdfr | well se ya all |
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| 05:20.52 | DogBoy | paranoidphreak, did you tag your music files? |
| 05:21.59 | e1z0_ | do echo > to music files |
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| 05:23.56 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: what you mean tag your music files. i browsed and added the audio files and it is moved on to the ipod but can't see it under music section; the audio files are on the ipod when i connect the usb back to the system |
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| 05:25.06 | DogBoy | that's how it works you have to have them tagged |
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| 05:25.26 | DogBoy | otherwise what do you expect to see |
| 05:25.42 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: how do u tag them |
| 05:25.45 | paranoidphreak | ?? |
| 05:25.57 | DogBoy | easytag |
| 05:26.00 | DogBoy | for one |
| 05:26.22 | DogBoy | easytag-aac |
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| 05:28.11 | TheUni | after a nasty crash, fsck decided to litter my filesystem... |
| 05:28.12 | DogBoy | you can tag them right in gtkpod though too |
| 05:28.12 | paranoidphreak | DogBoy: ok, i'll try that, thanks |
| 05:28.20 | DogBoy | afaik |
| 05:28.23 | TheUni | is there an easy way to check package consistancy with apt or aptitude? |
| 05:28.39 | DogBoy | prefer using rockbox though and then you don't have to worry about it |
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| 05:32.21 | dragonfly | hmmm, just tried with today's daily build image and it didn't detect my wireless network, but when i typed in the SSID it seemed to configure |
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| 05:33.34 | wols | TheUni: what do you mean "package consistency"? |
| 05:33.54 | TheUni | wols: for example, it overwrote files in /usr/lib/python2.5/ |
| 05:33.59 | [0x100] | flashback from the past: anybody know where i can download Debian Sarge for powerpc? |
| 05:34.07 | TheUni | with files that were in my /var/www |
| 05:34.12 | TheUni | so there's no telling what's screwed up |
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| 05:34.32 | wols | TheUni: dpkg won't simply overwrite files. where is this package that did that from? |
| 05:34.41 | TheUni | huh? |
| 05:34.51 | wols | !sarge |
| 05:34.51 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 05:35.13 | wols | TheUni: where did you get this package? what is the name of the package? |
| 05:35.32 | TheUni | wols: what package? the files belong to python2.5 if that's what you're asking |
| 05:35.39 | [0x100] | wols: thanks you just saved me a bunch of time |
| 05:35.50 | TheUni | but i'm sure there are a bunch of other screwed up packages as well |
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| 05:59.10 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
| 05:59.22 | Psi-Jack | I apparently just don't get this paravirtualization idea at all. |
| 05:59.55 | DogBoy | me either |
| 06:00.30 | sloopy | ? |
| 06:00.56 | DogBoy | ! |
| 06:01.21 | sloopy | what so hard about paravirtualization? |
| 06:01.36 | DogBoy | besides spelling it? |
| 06:01.56 | Psi-Jack | How to work with it. heh |
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| 06:02.39 | Psi-Jack | kvm, virtualbox, I can understand. They're full virtualization though. |
| 06:02.42 | sloopy | using what? |
| 06:02.53 | Psi-Jack | Xen |
| 06:02.57 | sloopy | virtualbox is paravirtualization |
| 06:04.01 | sloopy | virtualization cant be done fully without certain things in the cpu... |
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| 06:04.55 | Psi-Jack | Virtualbox can be full virtual then. :p |
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| 06:05.13 | sloopy | on machines with amd-v and whatever intel calls it... virtualbox and xen can do full virtualization |
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| 06:05.42 | acu | anybody awake here ? |
| 06:06.02 | Psi-Jack | I basically just bought a brand new system I intended to put together to use as a virtualized server environment, to learn how basically to work with virtualservers... And to reduce the cost of my electric bill which at home was starting to get a little high, running 12 servers, 1 desktop, and 3 laptops. ;) |
| 06:06.03 | sloopy | machines that dont have amd-v and $intels-virtualizing they do paravirtualizing |
| 06:06.33 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. |
| 06:06.54 | Psi-Jack | But paravirtualization is faster, is it not? |
| 06:06.56 | sloopy | Psi-Jack, does the cpu support AMD-V or Intel VT-x ? |
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| 06:07.00 | Psi-Jack | AMD-V yes |
| 06:07.07 | acu | I want to email my IP address every hour, also when it changes - how would I make a script which will get /sbin/ifconfig and mail it in those circumstances |
| 06:07.10 | sloopy | then yes you are good... |
| 06:07.37 | Psi-Jack | acu: That... Sounds.... Annoying. |
| 06:08.22 | Psi-Jack | sloopy: But again still.. paravirtualization is faster correct? |
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| 06:08.39 | acu | Psi-Jack I want to know the IP address of a remote machine which changes the IP - so if anyone knows a way - I will appreciate |
| 06:08.51 | Psi-Jack | acu: Get static? |
| 06:09.02 | sloopy | Psi-Jack, are you planning on running a windows OS on your server? |
| 06:09.11 | Psi-Jack | sloopy: No, all Linux, primarily Debian in fact. |
| 06:09.36 | acu | Psi-Jack: something more than two neurons, like three :) I cannot get static |
| 06:09.41 | sloopy | Psi-Jack, then yes para is slightly faster |
| 06:09.48 | sloopy | but full is more secure... |
| 06:10.06 | Psi-Jack | I have two systems I /can/ use for virtualization. One's a dual-core w/ 6GB RAM, the new one's a quad-core with currently only 4GB RAM, but that'll be bumped up eventually soon. ;) |
| 06:10.21 | Psi-Jack | acu: You can always get static. |
| 06:10.34 | wols | Psi-Jack: why do you need that many severs? |
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| 06:10.44 | sloopy | acu EXTIP="`$IFCONFIG $EXTIF | $AWK \ |
| 06:10.44 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.44 | Psi-Jack | I run a large network. ;) |
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| 06:11.46 | sloopy | acu, but you must set $EXTIF to your enet device (i.e. eth0) |
| 06:12.39 | acu | sloopy: you are not so sloopy after all :) - seems kind of cryptic but I need this badly enough to learn chinese to get it done |
| 06:12.46 | Psi-Jack | Basically I'll be running virtual host accounts for clients. |
| 06:12.49 | Psi-Jack | wols. |
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| 06:16.31 | Psi-Jack | As it is, I have dual-redundant Active-Active firewalls, a 13-block of IP's, leaving 10 usable ones after the two firewalls eating the first 3. 3 primary webservers, and virtualized system I'm trying to put together for database, which will eventually have a backup redundant server paired with it. |
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| 06:21.01 | darkk^ | What is recommended socks5 server for debian? dante-server seems to fork a process per connection - not the best idea. |
| 06:21.03 | pheo | hey everyone, ive got a weird question |
| 06:21.41 | pheo | im building 2.6.33.1 with make-kpgk and i get the error: The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 06:21.44 | pheo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.46 | pheo | does not match current version: |
| 06:21.48 | pheo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.51 | Psi-Jack | is there a good Xen howto for getting started with Xen in Debian? |
| 06:22.16 | pheo | whats with that? |
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| 06:31.57 | pheo | w00t fixed it |
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| 06:32.14 | Prathibha | How to submit new projects in debian? |
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| 06:34.24 | pheo | for anyone interested (?) i put a :(hackish) line in (linux)/include/linux/version.h with '#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.33.1" ' which fixed the compile error |
| 06:34.51 | MoMo | how do you pronounce the etc directory -- i've heared two ways now |
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| 06:35.56 | wols | pheo: when you insist on using sid, you should learn to use the BTS |
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| 06:39.27 | pheo | wols, im using lenny |
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| 06:39.49 | wols | pheo: the error was long known and has a BTS entry |
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| 06:47.28 | oh_noes | is it possible to echo syslog to tty6 or another tty?' |
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| 06:49.20 | \amethyst | oh_noes: the console-log package can do that (using less -f so you can press ctrl-c and scroll up |
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| 06:50.08 | \amethyst | oh_noes: if you just want to dump it directly to the tty, you can do that in your syslog configuration |
| 06:50.34 | oh_noes | thanks yeah ill dump it straight from syslog |
| 06:50.50 | oh_noes | what should I set my tty login process to though? Can I set it to /dev/null or something |
| 06:51.03 | oh_noes | I only want syslog echo's, I dont want to be able to log into it or anything |
| 06:51.51 | ^_elf_^ | is trying to figure out why cron.weekly (specifically, the triggering of the weekly logrotations) was done on Monday this week instead of Sunday |
| 06:52.18 | oh_noes | because cron day 0 is sunday |
| 06:52.30 | oh_noes | or are you looking for the actual header that declares that :) |
| 06:52.46 | Psi-Jack | Sweet. |
| 06:52.51 | ^_elf_^ | well the entry in /etc/crontab says the cron.weekly stuff is run on day 7 |
| 06:52.52 | Psi-Jack | I got my Dom0 and a DomU working. |
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| 06:54.25 | ^_elf_^ | the daylight savings change on sunday morning shouldn't have effected it, should it? |
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| 06:54.31 | ^_elf_^ | (box is in chicago) |
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| 06:55.08 | majhool | 7 and 0 are both sunday |
| 06:55.14 | ^_elf_^ | tz is now 'CDT'... and crontab runs the cron.weekly at 47 6 * * 7 |
| 06:55.44 | \amethyst | ^_elf_^: is your date right? |
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| 06:55.55 | ^_elf_^ | Tue Mar 16 01:51:07 CDT 2010 |
| 06:56.09 | MoMo | how do i configure wireless in the console? i'm having a hard time finding a tutorial that supports WEP |
| 06:56.22 | majhool | when exactly did the jobs run -- one full day off, i.e., at 6:47 am monday? |
| 06:56.43 | ^_elf_^ | yes |
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| 06:58.41 | ^_elf_^ | as evidenced here in the first two graphs... http://vela.wavehosting.com.au/mrtg/greylist.html - that mrtg simply counts certain entries in /var/log/mail.log which gets rotated weekly... 2nd graph shows the previous rotation back on sunday the 7th |
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| 07:00.24 | \amethyst | ^_elf_^: hm, so the daily job ran fine; only the weekly job was delayed... |
| 07:00.59 | ^_elf_^ | actually yes... timestamp on the /var/log/mail.log.1 is 06:25 |
| 07:01.22 | ^_elf_^ | so it was yesterday's cron.daily which rotated it, not the .weeklyl |
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| 07:01.52 | ^_elf_^ | wonders what will happen to the log files in 4 hours hehe |
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| 07:02.31 | \amethyst | ^_elf_^: the machine was up, and crond was running, on Sunday morning? |
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| 07:02.59 | ^_elf_^ | yep |
| 07:03.08 | ^_elf_^ | at least i assume crond was running |
| 07:03.15 | ^_elf_^ | checks the logs |
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| 07:11.49 | ^_elf_^ | can't see anything that would indicate crond wasn't running... the graphs were still being generated (cron calls the mrtg script) |
| 07:11.59 | ^_elf_^ | bizarro |
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| 07:14.40 | chid | Hi, how does one set it so that only programs in certain directories can be run |
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| 07:15.48 | wsxws | hi there |
| 07:16.21 | wsxws | when i add cronttabs by crontab -e where does this list becomes saved ? |
| 07:17.02 | zxd | what tool can I use for splitting a .pem file with three certificates and a private key , the lines need to be cut between -----BEGIN and -----END , these repeats 3 times |
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| 07:17.34 | MoMo | i installed of a net install CD -- however i have a WEP wireless connection -- i am under the impression i need WPA_SUPPLICANT in order to connect to my WEP network .. what is the best way to do this since its not on the net install cd |
| 07:17.58 | wsxws | zxd writing a bashscript will be the easiest |
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| 07:18.16 | wsxws | oder if you do not need it repeatingly, just du ist by hand |
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| 07:22.09 | wsxws | ah, found the crons |
| 07:22.16 | wsxws | whish you a nice day |
| 07:22.47 | oh_noes | is it possible to tell getty NOLOGIN from ttyN? |
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| 07:22.58 | oh_noes | I have syslog outputting to it ... |
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| 07:32.01 | Ghost1227 | does anyone have a recommendation for a web control panel? |
| 07:32.22 | ^_elf_^ | webmin is alright |
| 07:32.39 | fireba11 | ^_elf_^: no webmin is a security risk |
| 07:32.45 | ^_elf_^ | hehe |
| 07:32.50 | fireba11 | Ghost1227: control panel to control what? |
| 07:33.04 | fireba11 | ^_elf_^: that's what got it removed from debian |
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| 07:33.12 | ^_elf_^ | really? |
| 07:33.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.12 | ^_elf_^ | oh geez... that opinion is almost 5 years old |
| 07:34.36 | ^_elf_^ | a lot of things were pretty crap 5 years ago too :P |
| 07:35.11 | ^_elf_^ | but yes, i do agree any use of webmin needs to be locked down tightly |
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| 07:38.35 | Ghost1227 | fireba11: apache, mysql, an ftp and mail server are definite, controlled ssh access would be nice... not sure what exactly, only that i'm not happy with what i'm using |
| 07:39.14 | fireba11 | Ghost1227: you might want to take a look at ispconfig.org |
| 07:39.30 | fireba11 | (go with the new version 3 if you do) |
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| 07:41.31 | Ghost1227 | hmm |
| 07:41.43 | Ghost1227 | i played with 2 a while ago |
| 07:41.55 | Ghost1227 | liked it but couldn't get it to work the way i wanted to |
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| 07:42.04 | Ghost1227 | perhaps i'll give 3 a try |
| 07:42.04 | fireba11 | 3 is a complete rewrite |
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| 07:43.39 | MoMo | how do i configure a wireless adapter |
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| 07:44.30 | ^_elf_^ | pretty sure the developer of webmin gave it a reasonably thorough rewrite not too long ago... forget his name, but he was interviewed on floss weekly about a fortnight ago |
| 07:44.54 | fireba11 | Ghost1227: i tried several tools of that kind and it was the only one that really worked for me. i'll switch to v3 soon |
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| 07:45.41 | fireba11 | ^_elf_^: may be, if so that didn't make it into debian stable yet |
| 07:46.44 | wols | MoMo: depends on the wlan chip. what is it? |
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| 07:48.25 | tuvyz | MoMo: lspci can help you find out your wifi chip? |
| 07:49.44 | tuvyz | MoMo: although if it shows up in the output of 'ifconfig -a', then you don't have to worry about that |
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| 07:50.53 | simonrvn | it requires mysql, which i stay away from, and wants anything but cyrus-imap and doesn't do lighttpd. |
| 07:51.09 | simonrvn | i'll continue to do this my way |
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| 07:52.26 | wols | simonrvn: what does? |
| 07:52.48 | simonrvn | ispconfig thingy ^^^ |
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| 07:53.13 | fireba11 | they are quite busy to support new software in v3 though |
| 07:53.19 | simonrvn | d/led, checked it out (read: read the php files), went ok, screw dat =;) |
| 07:53.19 | jmut | if I do dpkg-reconfigure locales do I have to relogin or something to see changes (for example see some garbled file the right way) |
| 07:53.26 | fireba11 | latest version added dovecot for example |
| 07:53.33 | musca | simonrvn: i read about ispcp recently |
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| 07:53.34 | jmut | or if all cool I should see it right away |
| 07:53.47 | simonrvn | that's nice. dovecot != cyrus . |
| 07:54.08 | fireba11 | simonrvn: do tell |
| 07:54.45 | simonrvn | jmut: just that shell; might want to set your locales in your sh profile too |
| 07:54.58 | simonrvn | fireba11: no. |
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| 07:55.09 | wols | simonrvn: do you use sieve? |
| 07:55.20 | simonrvn | very much so |
| 07:55.30 | wols | any frontend or pure sieve scripts? |
| 07:55.36 | simonrvn | both |
| 07:55.50 | wols | so what frontend? couldn't find one yet that worked :( |
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| 07:56.09 | simonrvn | thunderbird 3's extension for it. works wonderfully. |
| 07:56.11 | wols | I wanted to use the thunderbird extension, but it never likes to connect (sieve is listening tho) |
| 07:56.51 | simonrvn | or doing it via sieveshell ;p |
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| 07:58.09 | wols | so is there anything special required for me to auth to it or such? |
| 07:58.38 | simonrvn | no, just auth the way you'd auth to the imapd |
| 07:59.55 | simonrvn | kmail used to do sieve too (still does) but i dislike kde |
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| 08:02.09 | simonrvn | i build my own cyrus too, running some version of 2.3 |
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| 08:03.00 | g3rc | how to login postfixadmin localhost/postfixadmin |
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| 08:06.01 | wols | !lart wols |
| 08:06.01 | dpkg | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets wols feel it |
| 08:06.16 | wols | simonrvn: servers listening on localhost only are rather limited connection wise |
| 08:06.28 | simonrvn | wols: yup ;) |
| 08:06.35 | g3rc | how to login postfixadmin localhost/postfixadmin |
| 08:06.43 | g3rc | like that |
| 08:06.50 | wols | sweet sweet sieve gui config, now you're MINE! |
| 08:06.50 | simonrvn | wols: was gonna ask you but i figured you'd find out yourself ;) |
| 08:07.11 | wols | g3rc: debian has no "postfixadmin" account |
| 08:07.28 | g3rc | but if i send |
| 08:07.33 | g3rc | and install now has |
| 08:07.47 | wols | !wayttd g3rc |
| 08:07.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, g3rc? |
| 08:08.02 | iceroot | what does "drop" mean in /proc/net/dev for eth0? i dont think its a good attribute |
| 08:08.09 | g3rc | i want to login postfixadmin |
| 08:08.21 | g3rc | i use ubuntu |
| 08:08.21 | iceroot | my ssh connection is very bad and so i think it has soemthing to do with "drop" |
| 08:08.22 | rvsjoen | iceroot: packets are dropped when the queues fill up |
| 08:08.34 | wols | g3rc: you don't run debian then. ask ubuntu cause we cannot know |
| 08:08.44 | g3rc | ok |
| 08:08.48 | wols | ask #ubuntu rather |
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| 08:09.09 | iceroot | rvsjoen: can i look at the queue? is it a network or a debian-problem? |
| 08:09.45 | darkk^ | What is recommended socks5 server for debian? dante-server seems to fork a process per connection - not the best idea if you have 500 connections... |
| 08:10.12 | rvsjoen | iceroot: netstat -S, is usually more detailed |
| 08:10.22 | rvsjoen | sorry, -s |
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| 08:26.36 | BerMeJo | i'm having problems with iceweasel 3.5.8, flashplugin-nonfree, debian squeeze and megavideo.com flash, when page load i try to click play button, and nothing happend .... Anybody know about this? |
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| 08:26.59 | ethanol | mornin' people |
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| 08:42.12 | wohnout | Hi is there anybody who tried to setup two instances of redmine on debian? I have problem with setting up apache. |
| 08:42.27 | wohnout | both domains still use same instance of redmine |
| 08:43.52 | iceroot | rvsjoen: i found the reason with tcpdump, there was a loop from the server and client using postgresql |
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| 08:45.25 | rvsjoen | iceroot: ok, good |
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| 08:47.15 | chid | Hi, how does one set it so that only programs/shell in certain directories can be executed |
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| 08:57.33 | pif | hi, how can I install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on debian? |
| 08:57.50 | pif | The following packages have unmet dependencies |
| 08:59.00 | streuner__ | sid? |
| 08:59.12 | pif | ack |
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| 09:00.07 | codeshepherd | updatedb and locate are not found. which package do they belong to ? |
| 09:01.02 | artisan | codeshepherd: mlocate or slocate |
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| 09:01.58 | codeshepherd | they are also not found artisan |
| 09:02.34 | codeshepherd | got mlocate artisan |
| 09:02.41 | artisan | codeshepherd: good :) |
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| 09:10.57 | developer | goodmorning vietnam |
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| 09:11.13 | isfranc | hello |
| 09:11.37 | simonrvn | vietnam is west (or east) of me |
| 09:12.04 | isfranc | have you a idea for How to modify the kernel 2.6.31.12 git , for xen unstable, i have sid |
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| 09:12.30 | simonrvn | have you an idea of what your question is? |
| 09:13.11 | isfranc | :) |
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| 09:15.01 | isfranc | how to modify the kernel for xen unstable in sid :p |
| 09:15.28 | simonrvn | !wayttd isfranc |
| 09:15.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, isfranc? |
| 09:15.29 | isfranc | simonrvn: is good now ? |
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| 09:17.19 | isfranc | sorry probleme with my irc client |
| 09:17.32 | isfranc | dpkg: i try to install xen unstable on sid |
| 09:17.32 | dpkg | isfranc: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:18.03 | manixor | Hi all. |
| 09:18.14 | isfranc | RTFM ? |
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| 09:18.46 | simonrvn | do or not do, there is no try </yoda> fetch it, configure it, compile it, install it. aptitude install make-kpkg libncurses5-dev build-essential |
| 09:18.52 | isfranc | dpkg: yes i have read the manual |
| 09:18.52 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, isfranc |
| 09:19.01 | isfranc | and googled on |
| 09:19.17 | simonrvn | dpkg: of what species art thou |
| 09:19.17 | dpkg | Bottus debianus. |
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| 09:19.26 | isfranc | before ask a question here, i try to find |
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| 09:20.04 | isfranc | now i know RTFM :p |
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| 09:20.24 | simonrvn | !kp |
| 09:20.24 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 09:20.26 | manixor | I need a lot of time to scp from my Debian to another Debian, and it's very annoying to type the password every time. There is possible to skip that step, or to set the destination server, to know me...? |
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| 09:20.42 | simonrvn | manixor: ssh key |
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| 09:21.53 | isfranc | simonrvn: yes thanks, is not the probleme, i go to dev mailing list |
| 09:21.56 | simonrvn | you could make two or more even - one regular one with a password, one without, to run a single command, for instance. or just one, with a password. there's a number of ssh tutorials. |
| 09:22.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell manixor about ssh without password |
| 09:24.02 | isfranc | manixor: for ssh key ssh-keygen -t rsa after ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id****.pub user@distanthost :) |
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| 09:24.28 | manixor | Cool....I will try it, thank's. |
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| 09:29.45 | musca | pif: it seems that nouveau isn't done in five minutes ;-) |
| 09:29.57 | pif | i noticed :) |
| 09:30.15 | pif | i'll let it mature a bit more |
| 09:30.28 | musca | so i do |
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| 09:34.03 | bbd | i used nouveau latest git, it's good quite stable, very fast. but got no gpu clock scaling so laptop was overheating all the time |
| 09:34.39 | isfranc | bbd: you are a git hacker :) ? |
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| 09:34.51 | valdyn | bbd: return that crap hardware? |
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| 09:35.42 | valdyn | bbd: unscaled gpu should be just noisy in the worst case, not overheat... |
| 09:35.45 | bbd | isfranc: nope. you can find some apt sources for latest git builds ;) |
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| 09:37.35 | bbd | valdyn: it's t61. not definitely "overheating" unless you do make -j2, but idle was still around uncomfortable ~70-80 degrees with nouveau instead of ~40 |
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| 09:51.24 | pif | don't fry your testicles ;) stay with nvidia |
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| 09:52.33 | hanibana | hi |
| 09:52.33 | pif | anyone know of perfohost.com ? they have cheap linux KVM servers, just looking for opinions |
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| 09:54.13 | hanibana | I get the source for a package by "apt-get source some-pkg" and change some source code. With what command re-build the deb package ? |
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| 09:56.22 | simonrvn | or use debuild/cowbuilder/pbuilder/$blah like sane people :P |
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| 09:56.41 | jaalto | The "rebase -i" doesn't obey "edit" marked from script. See tes http://paste.lisp.org/display/96455 |
| 09:56.52 | hanibana | bbd: what's that?! :\ |
| 09:56.57 | rvsjoen | !tell hanibana about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:57.00 | jaalto | Ignore, wrong channel |
| 09:57.37 | hanibana | rvsjoen: good clue. thanks |
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| 10:00.25 | oobe | anyone know where i can find the link that dpkg used to give for the wav file on the word fuck |
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| 10:23.04 | Matic`M | Hello there. PostgreSQL segmentation faults but it seems not to produce (dumped) core file. How can I make it produce that or...something? |
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| 10:23.18 | isfranc | i create a initrd whith mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.31.12 2.6.31.12, but after modify /etc/grub/40xxxx and update-grub2 is does not appear in list on the screen, is normal ? |
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| 10:25.09 | manixor | I want to change my user. I create another user, and I want to import for iceweasel the old user configuration, how can I do this? |
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| 10:27.10 | wols | copy over your .mozilla or such directory in your ~ |
| 10:27.32 | wols | rule of thumb: ALL your user specific configurations are saved in ~/.* directories or files |
| 10:27.36 | Matic`M | Basically, how can I produce core dump file? |
| 10:27.53 | wols | isfranc: hwy doy ou create the initrd manually? |
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| 10:31.46 | isfranc | wols: is for xen unstable |
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| 10:34.40 | wols | isfranc: that doesn't answer it. initrd will be made when you install the kernel or dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 10:34.50 | wols | without you having to do it |
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| 10:35.46 | lindi- | or run update-initramfs which you need to do if you modify something in /etc and are not sure if it affects kernel or not |
| 10:35.50 | lindi- | s/kernel/initrd/ |
| 10:36.31 | isfranc | wols: xen kernel unstable is not a debian package, install is ok only i must create a initrd |
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| 10:37.43 | user_ | can anyone hint on how to create a .deb of the 2.6.33.1 kernel (the debian way) ? |
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| 10:38.45 | wols | isfranc: you used kernel-package? |
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| 10:39.09 | wols | user_: you look into the BTS for kernel-package |
| 10:39.25 | hacker_kid | i have port 4743 in use by openhpid, i did not install that daemon and it is not possible for any one else to have (behind a nat, no ports forwarded), is it included in other packages? is it important, should it be blocked or stopped? |
| 10:39.27 | user_ | BTS? |
| 10:39.41 | wols | !tell user_ about bts |
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| 10:40.16 | isfranc | wols: ok i apt-get kernel-package |
| 10:40.20 | user_ | thanks |
| 10:41.12 | wols | isfranc: when you use .debs to install your custom kernel, grub-update will do everything that's needed automatically, including putting the initrd in your grub.cfg |
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| 10:41.41 | uwjweq | How to find out the resolution of a png? |
| 10:41.46 | wols | hacker_kid: uninstall it and see what wants it. most likely it came in via recommends |
| 10:42.00 | hacker_kid | wols, thats what i thought |
| 10:42.34 | user_ | wols: is there any outstanding bug that prevents the creation of a 2.6.33.1 kernel with kernel-package? |
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| 10:42.43 | isfranc | wols: is not a debian kernel package |
| 10:42.47 | hacker_kid | wols, its already being blocked by iptables (simply because until doing a localhost port scan of all ports i didnt notice it), so doesnt look important |
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| 10:43.42 | isfranc | wols: i have this kernel with git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jeremy/xen.git linux-2.6-pvops.git.tmp |
| 10:44.10 | wols | isfranc: you MAKE a kernel .deb with kernel-package |
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| 10:44.31 | wols | user_: yes there is |
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| 10:45.06 | isfranc | wols: you say i must create a kernel .deb with my source ? |
| 10:45.07 | user_ | are you referring to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571716 ? |
| 10:45.17 | developer | how can I open port 3306 for all host on for example 10.105.30.X ? |
| 10:45.21 | manixor | How can I delete an user, with all his configuration files? |
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| 10:45.55 | wols | isfranc: you must nothing. you can, and if you are smart, you do |
| 10:46.08 | wols | manixor: delete the user's ~ |
| 10:46.19 | isfranc | manixor: give it xen unstable :p |
| 10:46.24 | wols | manixor: man deluser |
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| 10:47.32 | isfranc | wols: i go on google for how to create .deb kernel |
| 10:47.43 | wols | isfranc: no need. read the docs for kernel-package |
| 10:47.45 | user_ | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571716 this one? it seems to have been solved. |
| 10:48.00 | isfranc | wols: ok thanks |
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| 10:48.54 | wols | user_: depends what debian branch you run |
| 10:49.07 | user_ | unstable :) |
| 10:49.13 | user_ | I'm trying it now. |
| 10:49.44 | user_ | all I have to do is run make-kpkg? (I'm new to using this tool) |
| 10:51.00 | user_ | I ran it, no errors, but I don't think it managed to build my kernel so far... |
| 10:51.27 | user_ | I'll read about it. |
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| 10:54.19 | uwjweq | Ubuntu guys found the answer faster. Embarising. |
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| 11:00.18 | km0ti0n | 11:55 < uwjweq> Ubuntu guys found the answer faster. Embarising. <--- ??? To the question "How to find out the resolution of a png?".... Isn't it more embarrising that he had to ask? Let alone it has nothing todo with debian, or even linux really. |
| 11:01.03 | themill | km0ti0n: just ignore the troll who has since parted. |
| 11:01.40 | km0ti0n | oh yeah, will do. |
| 11:01.48 | user_ | wols: I would very much appreciate if you could hint at what to do next: http://pastie.org/871784 |
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| 11:05.34 | user_ | wols: I figured it out. |
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| 11:15.26 | wols | user_ and isfranc: don't forget to build the headers package to. it is essential |
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| 11:18.27 | ziggy | Having trouble getting frostwire(gnutella client) to connect, may be related to this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560044 here is what i see when run through terminal,http://pastebin.com/V6py9hLh any assistance would be appreciated |
| 11:18.31 | user_ | wols: how? |
| 11:18.52 | user_ | I'm building these two right now: kernel_image modules_image |
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| 11:19.55 | wols | no need for modules_image |
| 11:20.27 | wols | and make-kpkg --targets should be self exlanatory |
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| 11:21.48 | ziggy | anyone, anyone at all? |
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| 11:23.15 | wols | !tell ziggy about frostwire |
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| 11:24.09 | user_ | wols: perfect, thanks |
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| 11:25.24 | thiago_intechne | god morning |
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| 11:40.14 | jtheuer | Hi, how can I force users to change their password on intial login (where the intial login is done via ssh public-key) |
| 11:40.35 | jtheuer | no, change is not correct, they should initially set their password |
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| 11:43.23 | f00li5h | is gnash going to pull down half of gnome? |
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| 11:44.37 | nachos | hi im getting some wierd problems with pppd |
| 11:44.52 | nachos | im trying ppp over ssh and its not working properly for some reason PPPD gets a -c as a argument |
| 11:45.32 | nachos | http://pastie.org/871803 |
| 11:46.59 | nachos | fuck it ill revert to stock |
| 11:47.10 | nachos | how can i revert all my config files in pppd to default |
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| 11:48.14 | f00li5h | ask dpkg about confmix |
| 11:48.19 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 11:48.27 | f00li5h | confmiss, rather |
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| 11:52.56 | nachos | dpkg: confmiss |
| 11:52.56 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 11:53.32 | nachos | thanks f00li5h |
| 11:53.58 | f00li5h | is a helper! |
| 11:54.08 | aurelien | hi the last libre kernel 2.6.33.1 .deb are here :: http://www.fscorsica.org/index-en.html |
| 11:54.48 | aurelien | i've optimize during the compilation for most of wifi, wimax, camera & usb driver |
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| 11:54.50 | aurelien | have fun |
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| 11:59.07 | themill | aurelien: please stop the advocacy spam. |
| 11:59.20 | _KaszpiR_ | hm |
| 11:59.21 | _KaszpiR_ | question |
| 11:59.32 | _KaszpiR_ | after some script fail i cannot see what i am typing in cosole |
| 11:59.37 | _KaszpiR_ | looks like cprompt got corrupted? |
| 11:59.40 | petemc | type reset |
| 11:59.47 | aurelien | themill spam ? |
| 11:59.49 | _KaszpiR_ | t |
| 11:59.51 | _KaszpiR_ | ty |
| 12:00.05 | themill | petemc: reset is hashed (/usr/bin/reset) |
| 12:00.05 | aurelien | helping people offering a precompiled libre kernel is spam for you ?? |
| 12:00.07 | themill | hides |
| 12:00.26 | petemc | *bam* |
| 12:00.29 | petemc | :) |
| 12:00.37 | themill | aurelien: it is. It's not from debian and people have no reason to use it or trust it. Please desist. |
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| 12:01.27 | aurelien | themill, if you arrive to compile it, from source without change anything in it you can consider it as spam, but for the moment you'll need a recipe, i've sent to fsfla.org |
| 12:02.20 | aurelien | and it's for debian |
| 12:02.30 | aurelien | i use and made them on a fully free debian |
| 12:02.48 | aurelien | and i speak to U from a debian / emacs ERC |
| 12:03.05 | petemc | aurelien: theres a policy against people advertising here, whether the intentions are good or not |
| 12:03.33 | aurelien | goes look the policy ... thx for the info |
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| 12:08.08 | linuxsux | How do I put Linux on my fone |
| 12:08.27 | linuxsux | So I can rm -rf * |
| 12:09.02 | linuxsux | Windows NT is superior rwchnology |
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| 12:09.38 | linuxsux | Can I port Linux to DOS |
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| 12:09.53 | f00li5h | speaking of trolling |
| 12:10.09 | f00li5h | should I have to do more than apt-get install gnash to make it appear in the iceweasel critter? |
| 12:10.14 | streuner | what a lame troll |
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| 12:10.19 | mkad | HI |
| 12:10.37 | mkad | where to store iptables-save to have them restored at startup ? |
| 12:11.12 | f00li5h | I think you need to just tell iptables to restore them in an init script |
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| 12:13.17 | Psi-Jack | Yep yep, pretty much., |
| 12:16.10 | f00li5h | who, me? |
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| 12:18.06 | DarkSun | hi all |
| 12:18.19 | DarkSun | are there users with compiz+conky on debian sid? |
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| 12:33.12 | Seldaek | heya, small shell scripting question, is there a cleaner way to do this type of thing in one line? if [ $# -eq 2 ] then if [ $2 = "-f" ] then |
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| 12:33.29 | Seldaek | I mean more in one if[] than in one line |
| 12:35.00 | f00li5h | -a for and, perhaps? |
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| 12:36.56 | Seldaek | f00li5h: well I tried that with -o in another situation and it crapped itself when $2 wasn't defined, i.e. if I call the script with only "./foo.sh arg1" |
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| 12:39.17 | n3lab | re2all |
| 12:39.23 | f00li5h | Seldaek: perhpas you need to learn bash then? |
| 12:39.42 | Prathibha | How to submit a new project in debian? |
| 12:39.46 | n3lab | howto remove all nvidia packages from debian using dpkg? |
| 12:40.08 | Seldaek | f00li5h: well, obviously I don't know it well, which is why I'm asking for help since Ive read lots of stuff about it yesterday and couldn't figure that bit out |
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| 12:40.20 | f00li5h | Seldaek: you on #bash? |
| 12:40.26 | themill | Seldaek: [ doesn't short-circuit evaluate; [[ with && and || do. Note that you need #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh for [[. See man bash for details, "/msg dpkg bash" and try #bash |
| 12:40.58 | n3lab | hey hey! |
| 12:41.00 | Seldaek | themill: thank you. |
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| 12:41.39 | n3lab | howto remove all nvidia packages from debian using dpkg? |
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| 12:42.38 | n3lab | tt |
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| 12:46.19 | jelly | Seldaek: [ "x$2" = x-f ] is a common workaround if you really don't want to validate the contents of $2 in advance |
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| 12:49.22 | babilen | n3lab: search for them and remove/purge all applicable packages? |
| 12:49.47 | n3lab | yap |
| 12:49.57 | n3lab | howto can i do this with dpkg? |
| 12:50.07 | Seldaek | jelly: interesting, actually it seems "$2" = "-f" works too even if it doesn't exist |
| 12:50.12 | Seldaek | no need for the x |
| 12:50.18 | babilen | n3lab: Are you restricted to dpkg? |
| 12:50.29 | n3lab | restricted? |
| 12:50.34 | n3lab | sorry my english is bad |
| 12:50.41 | n3lab | yap i want to use dpkg |
| 12:50.43 | babilen | n3lab: As in: Can't you use aptitude/apt-get ? |
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| 12:50.50 | n3lab | no |
| 12:50.54 | babilen | why? |
| 12:51.18 | n3lab | coz not all package can be found using aptitude( |
| 12:51.23 | n3lab | err |
| 12:51.25 | n3lab | not all |
| 12:51.38 | Stereo | if it's installed, aptitude can find it |
| 12:51.53 | n3lab | and if it's installed from sources? |
| 12:52.06 | babilen | n3lab: But to answer your question: You can use something like "dpkg -l <searchterm>|xargs <action>" or "dpkg -l|grep <regex>|xargs <action>" |
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| 12:52.26 | n3lab | babilen: 10x. i'll try :) |
| 12:52.37 | babilen | n3lab: aptitude will find all packages (that are available from your configured sources) |
| 12:53.00 | Titan8990 | babilen: wouldn't it actually be grep <pattern> without -e? |
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| 12:53.24 | babilen | Titan8990: -e ? |
| 12:53.34 | Titan8990 | babilen: grep -e or egrep |
| 12:53.41 | skwashd | if i am creating a package am i best to use init.d.ex or init.d.lsb.ex? |
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| 12:54.39 | babilen | Titan8990: yes - i typically use "grep -e '...'" |
| 12:55.08 | babilen | Titan8990: But you are right, should have read "grep <pattern>" :) |
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| 12:56.35 | n3lab | and i have gcc-4.4 and nvidia package wants gcc-4.3 |
| 12:56.37 | n3lab | ( |
| 12:57.02 | mkad | how to describe the dispersion within and between columns ? |
| 12:57.10 | Titan8990 | n3lab: sounds like your not getting everything from your release |
| 12:57.27 | Titan8990 | judd: versions gcc |
| 12:57.28 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 12:57.53 | Titan8990 | n3lab: a squeeze/sid user like you should be able to handle that |
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| 12:59.15 | n3lab | Titan8990: getting everything? |
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| 13:01.35 | JohnNew | I would like to make a backup of a file i am editing each 10 minutes, the file is called myskin_v1.inc.php, its in directory /home/mydir/WWW/skins and I would like to reserve copy it to /home/mydir/WWW/skins/reserve/TIMESTAMP_filename.inc.php each time - anyone maybe have a suggestion how I could do this best? |
| 13:02.13 | valdyn | JohnNew: how is it being edited? |
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| 13:02.37 | JohnNew | valdyn: through ftp in windows by notepad++ |
| 13:03.03 | JohnNew | i ment, i would like to make the backup each 10 mintes |
| 13:03.13 | f00li5h | JohnNew: how about you stick it in version control |
| 13:03.19 | f00li5h | and check it in when you achieve something |
| 13:03.20 | valdyn | JohnNew: you cannot trigger the backup by opening it |
| 13:03.24 | JohnNew | f00li5h: never used that before, would it work ? |
| 13:03.29 | f00li5h | yes |
| 13:03.32 | valdyn | JohnNew: you can use a version control plugin for notepad+ |
| 13:03.35 | JohnNew | f00li5h: what package? |
| 13:03.37 | f00li5h | this is how developers trach changes in their software |
| 13:03.43 | petemc | while : ; do cp /home/mydir/WWW/skins/myskin_v1.inc.php /home/mydir/WWW/skins/reserve/$(date)_myskin_v1.inc.php ; sleep 600 ; done |
| 13:03.53 | f00li5h | subversion, i suppose |
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| 13:04.00 | valdyn | JohnNew: theres a large number of version control systems |
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| 13:04.13 | JohnNew | i need some linux package for this right? |
| 13:04.17 | valdyn | JohnNew: subverson, git, cvs and alot more |
| 13:04.36 | valdyn | JohnNew: you need a plugin for notepad+ to work comfortable with this and a linux package |
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| 13:05.01 | f00li5h | most editors will have some kind of VC integration |
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| 13:06.47 | JohnNew | ok good, this also works well if i am just editing constantly 1,2 files? |
| 13:07.00 | JohnNew | "apt-get install subversion" is enough? |
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| 13:07.20 | xperia | hello to all. can somebody tell me when opie was or wasn't added or removed from Debian. |
| 13:07.21 | xperia | i am missing this package i debian. the latest patch is from |
| 13:07.23 | xperia | Thursday February 04 2010 |
| 13:07.24 | xperia | http://gitorious.com/opie/opie |
| 13:07.54 | BerMeJo | i'm having problems with iceweasel 3.5.8, flashplugin-nonfree, debian squeeze and megavideo.com, youtube.con flash, when page load i try to click play button or use menu, and nothing happend .... Anybody know about this? |
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| 13:08.14 | xperia | it can be very easy compiled based on this step by step instruction |
| 13:08.16 | xperia | http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BuildOpie |
| 13:08.25 | vegardx | BerMeJo: You're running Squeeze... |
| 13:08.27 | f00li5h | BerMeJo: you tried gnash? |
| 13:08.44 | xperia | but i need it as a debian package |
| 13:09.58 | f00li5h | then read the packaging guide |
| 13:10.02 | f00li5h | well volunteered |
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| 13:10.40 | xperia | if i were such a expert i would have done it allready :-) |
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| 13:11.48 | HardPhuck | hi can someone help me understand what i need to do so sendmail will send email to external domains although i don't have any emails tied to my machine |
| 13:11.58 | Titan8990 | JohnNew: you can use emacs, that will work on windows using your FTP location and will auto-save every couple minds |
| 13:11.59 | HardPhuck | i have postfix |
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| 13:12.28 | xperia | if somebody could however provide me a help packaging this software on my system where i have builded allready sucessfull then i would help with the maintaining |
| 13:12.44 | n3lab | and where is rgbpaths? |
| 13:13.01 | Titan8990 | HardPhuck: email servers is not something you should jump in and do. You should have a strong understanding of how SMTP and email works in general. an improperly configured mail server can get yourself in some trouble. |
| 13:13.06 | BerMeJo | vegardx: i'm running squeeze, f00li5h i tried gnash but is worst than adobe 10 |
| 13:13.17 | Titan8990 | xperia: #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 13:13.34 | HardPhuck | Titan8990: i don't have a mailserver, I just need to set it up so my php scripts can send emails out |
| 13:13.37 | f00li5h | BerMeJo: oh well... perhpas you'll just have to do your work rather than slacking off on youtube |
| 13:13.38 | vegardx | BerMeJo: Try running a stable release of debian if it's not for testing or development. |
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| 13:13.54 | xperia | Titan8990; thanks. |
| 13:14.31 | HardPhuck | Titan8990: or be notified by cron jobs |
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| 13:14.51 | xperia | Titan8990: this is somehow a "invite only" chanell |
| 13:14.51 | JohnNew | ok seems plugin of svn not works so well with subversion |
| 13:14.52 | Titan8990 | HardPhuck: if you just need to relay to smarthost (send but never relay), you want something like sstmp or nullmailer |
| 13:15.06 | JohnNew | petemc: your script, I can best put it in a .sh script and cron it right? |
| 13:15.10 | JohnNew | petemc: or what do you recommend? |
| 13:15.17 | Titan8990 | !wnpp |
| 13:15.17 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 13:15.33 | Titan8990 | xperia: have a look into the wnpp pages, there might be more info on what to do there |
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| 13:17.35 | n3lab | mans, what is ResVgaShaded? |
| 13:17.49 | n3lab | it's error in logs in xorg.conf |
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| 13:20.18 | isfranc | if i have a kernel tunning, normal the initrd is smal 1/4 that other ? |
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| 13:20.34 | isfranc | i don t no, if you can read my english :p |
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| 13:24.49 | keith4 | isfranc: my kernel is 1.5M, initrd is 6.0M |
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| 13:27.02 | isfranc | keith4: my initrd is 1/4 of other initrd in my /boot |
| 13:27.17 | isfranc | possible i have no too much modules |
| 13:27.22 | keith4 | isfranc: ah, i understand now |
| 13:27.41 | keith4 | isfranc: the stock initrds include lots and lots of crap |
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| 13:28.46 | Dewi | what's the name of the format 'date' uses, and many other date outputs in linux? |
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| 13:29.02 | Dewi | I've never known how to parse it... |
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| 13:30.51 | xperia | hello. i need the last availble deb package of opie in debian. it should be dated around 2004 if i am not wrong. can somebody tell me where i can find it ? |
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| 13:31.23 | nsadmin | xperia what have you tried so far |
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| 13:31.40 | Dewi | xperia: normally the latest is what's available, isn't it? |
| 13:31.53 | Dewi | xperia: or has it been removed from debian or something? |
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| 13:31.57 | \amethyst | xperia: oh, you don't want opie-client and/or opie-server ? |
| 13:32.01 | nsadmin | he;'s implying maybe it was removed |
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| 13:32.11 | Titan8990 | !snapshots |
| 13:32.11 | dpkg | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 13:32.14 | xperia | google but it show allways opie-server or opie-client i need opie itself |
| 13:32.28 | Titan8990 | xperia: It looks like 2004 might be just a little too far back |
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| 13:32.37 | nsadmin | xperia what have you tried so far |
| 13:32.40 | xperia | ohhh noooooo |
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| 13:33.04 | xperia | nsadmin: google but as i have said it show allways the fals results |
| 13:33.11 | Dewi | xperia: what's wrong with packages 'opie-client' and 'opie-server' in debian now? |
| 13:33.20 | isfranc | keith4: ok too much crop |
| 13:33.22 | xperia | these are for syncing |
| 13:33.23 | nsadmin | , versions opie-server |
| 13:33.24 | judd | opie-server -- etch: 2.32-10.2; lenny: 2.32-10.2; squeeze: 2.32-10.2; sid: 2.32.dfsg.1-0.1 |
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| 13:33.44 | \amethyst | xperia: and what is opie itself? |
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| 13:34.05 | \amethyst | xperia: you want the authentication library or what? |
| 13:34.24 | xperia | i need the gui of opie |
| 13:34.26 | xperia | http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ |
| 13:34.27 | xperia | http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BuildOpie |
| 13:34.28 | n3lab | howto uninstall gcc-4.4 and install gcc-4.3? |
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| 13:34.38 | xperia | http://i37.tinypic.com/24mhqps.jpg |
| 13:34.40 | \amethyst | xperia: oh |
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| 13:34.54 | Titan8990 | n3lab: what version of debian are you using? |
| 13:34.56 | \amethyst | xperia: was that ever in Debian? |
| 13:35.01 | xperia | it should be availble as a deb package |
| 13:35.09 | n3lab | Titan8990: еÑÑеÑÑп |
| 13:35.11 | n3lab | testing |
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| 13:35.31 | n3lab | i can't build nvidia drivers from *.run package |
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| 13:35.39 | xperia | there is a discussion on the mailing list let me see if i can find it |
| 13:35.50 | Titan8990 | n3lab: of course you can't, you shouldn't be running squeeze |
| 13:35.50 | Dewi | is there a way to run a command with a locale different to my own? |
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| 13:35.55 | xperia | about the opie deb package from 2004 |
| 13:35.57 | nsadmin | xperia: perhaps the client is what you want |
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| 13:35.58 | n3lab | Titan8990: why? |
| 13:36.06 | Titan8990 | !testing |
| 13:36.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 13:36.34 | n3lab | Titan8990: and?) |
| 13:36.35 | Titan8990 | !nvidia squeeze |
| 13:36.35 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 13:36.50 | Titan8990 | n3lab: and, You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. |
| 13:36.55 | developer | how do I open port 3306 for a specific network address? |
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| 13:37.01 | n3lab | Titan8990: it's my way) |
| 13:37.02 | nsadmin | let's remember that machines people own belong to them, they can run whatever the fuck they want |
| 13:37.04 | Titan8990 | n3lab: your asking how to downgrade a core package to a different release. |
| 13:37.05 | xperia | nsadmin: the opie-server and opie-client are used for syncing |
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| 13:37.18 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 13:37.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 13:37.24 | xperia | i need the gui package that has everything |
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| 13:37.50 | nsadmin | , versions opie |
| 13:37.50 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'opie' was found. |
| 13:37.52 | Dewi | xperia: sounds like an opie client... |
| 13:37.53 | n3lab | Titan8990: can u give me tip about module asssistent to private? |
| 13:37.58 | isfranc | i have grub2 boot, but grub-legacy package too when i can restore boot grub-legacy |
| 13:37.59 | n3lab | i ll try this way |
| 13:38.01 | Titan8990 | n3lab: no |
| 13:38.06 | n3lab | why? |
| 13:38.07 | nsadmin | so it was split. |
| 13:38.21 | Titan8990 | n3lab: support belongs here and I typically do not support squeeze |
| 13:38.23 | n3lab | Titan8990: tip witch u give to me with bot |
| 13:38.38 | n3lab | just copypaste it plz |
| 13:38.49 | nsadmin | n3lab: try man m-a |
| 13:39.21 | Titan8990 | escapes now that someone else has said something |
| 13:39.22 | babilen | n3lab: and "/msg dpkg m-a" (if that is the factoid you want) |
| 13:39.28 | n3lab | !nvidia squeeze |
| 13:39.28 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 13:40.11 | babilen | !tell n3lab -about msg the bot |
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| 13:40.56 | n3lab | thanks |
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| 13:41.09 | n3lab | !tell n3lab about nvidia squeeze |
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| 13:41.22 | Titan8990 | !tell n3lab about selftell |
| 13:41.44 | n3lab | ok |
| 13:42.18 | xperia | hmmm strange somebody is working allready on opie in debian |
| 13:42.19 | xperia | packaged opie 2.4, fixing testsuite failures on arm/armel |
| 13:42.21 | xperia | Package: opie; Maintainer for opie is Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>; |
| 13:42.22 | xperia | Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:54:02 UTC |
| 13:42.24 | xperia | Found in version 2.32-10.2 |
| 13:42.25 | xperia | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511582 |
| 13:42.35 | Dewi | how can I parse linux dates? |
| 13:42.47 | xperia | can somebody give me more info about this package |
| 13:42.53 | tziku | hello, i added a PCI network card and i don\t know how can i install driver. I have only old card eth0 in ifconfig and no eth1. |
| 13:43.03 | nsadmin | xperia you're slow pasting to avoid getting kicked? |
| 13:43.09 | vegardx | xperia: My best guess it to contact the maintainer. |
| 13:43.09 | Dewi | tziku: tried ifconfig -a ? |
| 13:43.09 | \amethyst | xperia: that's talking about the OTP software |
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| 13:43.16 | streuner | !dbugs 511582 |
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| 13:43.21 | dpkg | #511582:S[opie] packaged opie 2.4, fixing testsuite failures on arm/armel (patch); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:54:02 UTC [] |
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| 13:43.29 | tziku | Deathvalley122 |
| 13:43.41 | tziku | Dewi : thanks :) is nammed eth2 |
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| 13:43.43 | tziku | my fault |
| 13:43.50 | tziku | sorry Deathvalley122 |
| 13:44.06 | Dewi | tziku: once you configure it, it will appear in normal ifconfig |
| 13:44.06 | babilen | !tell tziku -about 70 |
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| 13:44.17 | babilen | tziku: In case you want to rename it |
| 13:44.37 | tziku | babilen yes, i want to rename it |
| 13:44.43 | xperia | vegardx: thanks a lot for the tip. i will do that ! |
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| 13:44.44 | \amethyst | xperia: ah, maybe it isn't |
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| 13:45.18 | babilen | tziku: Then read what dpkg just told you and edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 13:45.18 | tziku | thanks guys :) have a nice day |
| 13:45.23 | babilen | you too |
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| 13:45.40 | nsadmin | me too! |
| 13:45.57 | xperia | \amethyst: what exactly it isnt. not simillar to the server and client package ? |
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| 13:46.03 | asterisk123 | hello ! |
| 13:46.14 | babilen | welcome |
| 13:46.33 | asterisk123 | i need help |
| 13:46.41 | asterisk123 | i\m debian user |
| 13:46.49 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 13:46.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:46.54 | asterisk123 | and in freepbx i have a small problem ! |
| 13:46.54 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 13:47.08 | asterisk123 | but i want to see all extensions created by a2billing in additional_a2billing_sip.conf |
| 13:47.14 | nsadmin | and YOU can be a sicco too! |
| 13:47.17 | \amethyst | xperia: I'm confused... is the one-time-password stuff at all related to the palmtop environment? |
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| 13:47.23 | Shadur | likes to refer people to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 13:47.42 | Titan8990 | asterisk123: you will probably have better luck on their channel |
| 13:47.53 | asterisk123 | no answers there ! |
| 13:47.53 | nsadmin | Shadur: why? that implies they're not smart yet |
| 13:48.05 | babilen | asterisk123: patience :) |
| 13:48.07 | Titan8990 | asterisk123: mailing list... sometimes you need to be patient |
| 13:48.27 | asterisk123 | i'm patient ! |
| 13:48.37 | asterisk123 | but any solution ! |
| 13:48.45 | asterisk123 | for what i need ? |
| 13:49.01 | rvsjoen | that is not patience |
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| 13:49.22 | asterisk123 | :) |
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| 13:50.45 | \amethyst | xperia: the opie in debian is this: http://www.inner.net/pub/opie/ |
| 13:50.55 | \amethyst | xperia: something completely different from the palmtop environment |
| 13:51.24 | xperia | hmmmm very strange why that |
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| 13:52.43 | Fare | hum. I did something that made skype stop working :( :( :( -- tried to install a new skype, so installed ia32-libs-gtk, and now new or old skype run, but fail to connect :( :( :( |
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| 13:54.15 | xperia | amethyst: thanks for the clarification. from my point of view they should rename the name of the project as this produce conflicts with the existing palmtop environment or mobile devices |
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| 13:58.09 | marcus_ | hi. is it possible to unset or reset a debconf option to it's default? |
| 13:58.33 | Titan8990 | marcus_: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 13:59.24 | marcus_ | i am not talking about redefining options, just to reset them |
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| 13:59.45 | marcus_ | also thought that an remove --purge resets debconf values to it's default but i was wrong |
| 13:59.54 | Fare | anyone using skype? |
| 14:00.00 | isfranc | wols: cool i have my xen running fine, a xfs probleme in the kernel and do no use grub2 with xen unstable |
| 14:00.08 | Fare | or is there a google voice client for linux? |
| 14:01.15 | Titan8990 | Fare: only for chat, not VOIP |
| 14:01.46 | Titan8990 | its available for android though so I hope we see a port soon |
| 14:01.53 | babilen | Fare: Check the Skype forums, because Skype is not supported in #d - You might want to take a look at ekiga and pidgin (which implements some GTalk audio chat functionality these days IIRC) |
| 14:01.59 | WormFood | how do I flush the dns cache in debian squeeze? in the past I'd do "/etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart", but nscd is no longer there, and I see nothing else obvious to replace it |
| 14:02.21 | xperia | \amethyst: somethig is strange the same person develops also libpam-opie and this lib is used in the palmtop environment for syncing between the opie-server and the opie-client. so this is 100% opie related |
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| 14:02.33 | petemc | WormFood: there isnt a dns cache |
| 14:02.45 | petemc | unless you installed one, of course |
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| 14:02.53 | WormFood | ok |
| 14:03.06 | WormFood | so ff is caching the dns response then ;) |
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| 14:03.38 | Dewi | WormFood: FF probably has one, should clear if you restart it or wait a short time |
| 14:03.39 | petemc | firefox caches things |
| 14:03.48 | WormFood | yeah, it is cleared now |
| 14:03.54 | Fare | babilen, does ekiga or pidgin support any ip-to-phone gateway? |
| 14:04.12 | WormFood | pidgin does not, but ekiga does |
| 14:04.29 | babilen | Fare: That depends on your SIP setup for ekiga. Pidgin does not support it. |
| 14:05.29 | \amethyst | xperia: the palmtop environment uses one-time passwords? |
| 14:06.28 | Fare | which publicly-available IP to phone work with ekiga, if any? |
| 14:07.18 | Fare | googles and finds http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Calling |
| 14:07.20 | Fare | thanks! |
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| 14:09.03 | xperia | so in this case opie-server and opie-client have nothing to do with the plamtop environment. strange |
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| 14:09.39 | xperia | have thinked till yet this packages are needed for syncing between the mobile device and the laptop |
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| 14:11.38 | xperia | okay thanks for the help. will ask the person |
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| 14:27.27 | Shtl | Hello all i installed win 7,now i want to mount ext3 partitions inside it, what application i have to use better |
| 14:27.29 | jelly | wonders if debian has any good reasons for running Postfix chrooted by default |
| 14:27.46 | Titan8990 | Shtl: ##windows |
| 14:27.50 | Titan8990 | jelly: security? |
| 14:27.51 | rumpsy | Shtl: you have to ask that in #windows |
| 14:28.00 | Shtl | ok |
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| 14:28.18 | jelly | !tell Shtl about ext2ifs |
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| 14:28.36 | valdyn | jelly: by default? |
| 14:28.47 | valdyn | jelly: so it cant deliver to ~/Maildir ? |
| 14:28.49 | jelly | Shtl: TBH I don't know if it works on 7 |
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| 14:30.01 | valdyn | the debian wiki does not think its chrooted |
| 14:30.04 | jelly | valdyn: oh, it can do all its usual stuff, it's just a PITA to implement anything more complex |
| 14:30.14 | jelly | valdyn: master.cf says it is |
| 14:30.15 | Shtl | jelly: i tried with it, its not working on win 7 |
| 14:30.59 | jelly | Titan8990: that's why I asked about _good_ reasons, not generic blabber about security |
| 14:31.12 | valdyn | jelly: it cant deliver to ~/ if its chrooted... |
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| 14:32.42 | jelly | valdyn: dunno, but it can deliver to /var/mail |
| 14:33.27 | themill | jelly: default config in lenny doesn't chroot everything |
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| 14:34.06 | jelly | themill: it chroots many more things than default upstream, making eg. smtp auth more complicated to set up |
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| 14:35.28 | themill | jelly: hmm... default lenny config doesn't have a single "y" in the chroot column. But it's years since I really looked at postfix config carefully whereas you play daily... |
| 14:36.09 | \amethyst | jelly: the maintainer tagged the bug wontfix almost 8 years ago... maybe there was some mailing list discussion around that time? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=151692 |
| 14:36.19 | jelly | themill: that's weird. I'm working with backported 2.7 package tho ;-) |
| 14:36.24 | \amethyst | jelly: tagged without explanation I should add |
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| 14:36.33 | themill | jelly: yeah, figured that. |
| 14:36.35 | jelly | \amethyst: exactly |
| 14:36.49 | \amethyst | so you'd have to ask him |
| 14:37.41 | \amethyst | jelly: the changelog says "Make postfix run chrooted, like it's supposed to. |
| 14:37.49 | jelly | :-D |
| 14:37.58 | \amethyst | jelly: so there's your reason. It's supposed to :) |
| 14:38.33 | jelly | I think it changed hands in the meantime, so perhaps the reasoning could be expanded, or expunged |
| 14:38.38 | \amethyst | jelly: perhaps the horrible history of sendmail bugs had something to do with it |
| 14:38.42 | user_ | anyone knows if its possible to have grub2 on debian generate its grub.cfg file without 'quiet' in the kernel lines? I hate quiet. |
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| 14:38.49 | themill | jelly: actually, I have a vague memory that "-" defaults to "y" in master.cf |
| 14:38.59 | jelly | themill: it does |
| 14:39.16 | \amethyst | jelly: nope, it's still LaMont Jones, and has been forever (>11 years now) |
| 14:39.19 | themill | jelly: yeah, ok, ... lots is running chrooted by default. |
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| 14:42.43 | \amethyst | jelly: heh... I just found out while helping someone debug a script that dovecot completely clears the environment before launching external programs |
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| 14:43.22 | \amethyst | jelly: including PATH |
| 14:43.41 | \amethyst | jelly: yay for security |
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| 14:48.11 | jelly | security is srs bsns |
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| 14:48.37 | _KaszpiR_ | orly |
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| 14:49.07 | asaleem | I have strange issue. I can send an email only to admin@mydomain.com form one of the server with mail. If I try to send an email to anyone other than this one even in the same domain, it remains in the queue. I am using exim4 as MTA |
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| 14:49.35 | petemc | asaleem: what does the log say? |
| 14:49.49 | asaleem | petemc, nothing in the logs |
| 14:49.56 | petemc | i find that hard to believe |
| 14:51.13 | asaleem | petemc, all mail logs have 0 sizes |
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| 14:51.41 | petemc | asaleem: /var/log/exim4/mainlog , exim4 -bP log_file_path if they're not there |
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| 14:52.27 | petemc | asaleem: you can use exigrep to search the logs in a useful way, or exim4 -Mvl <msgid> to print log entries for a message |
| 14:52.44 | petemc | asaleem: exim4 -d -M <msgid> will try to deliver a message from the queue in debug mode |
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| 14:53.34 | asaleem | petemc, thanks. The log says "Sender address rejected: Domain not found" |
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| 14:54.02 | petemc | np |
| 14:54.04 | asaleem | petemc, I just replaced admin with a valid_name in admin@mydomain.com |
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| 14:54.44 | petemc | ok.. |
| 14:54.47 | asaleem | petemc, and it got rejected |
| 14:55.20 | petemc | asaleem: when you say valid_name , whats that? a real user on the system? |
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| 14:55.32 | dl7ln | hi all |
| 14:55.33 | asaleem | petemc, if I can send an email to admin@mydomain.com, why an email to me@mydomain.com get rejected |
| 14:55.33 | petemc | and what do the logs say.. |
| 14:55.39 | tom___ | I am trying to install a gcc source package. Autoconf 2.61 is installed, but it wants autoconf 2.59. What can I do? |
| 14:55.50 | asaleem | petemc, my own email address |
| 14:56.02 | tom___ | gcc-4.4.3 |
| 14:56.04 | user_ | I build my kernel like this: make-kpkg --append-to-version=.mybuild --initrd binary-arch how do I actually make this process produce an initrd and add it to grub when I install the resulting .debs? |
| 14:56.22 | petemc | asaleem: need to be more specific |
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| 14:56.32 | asaleem | petemc, actually I want a script to send me an email instead to admin |
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| 14:57.31 | petemc | asaleem: the information you're volunteering doesnt help much. first place to look is the logs |
| 14:57.31 | wols | user_: it will create the initrd on installation |
| 14:57.33 | asaleem | petemc, so I can send an email to admin@mydomain.com but not to asaleem@mydomain.com |
| 14:57.55 | user_ | wols: I thought so too, but it doesn't seem to. I see this: run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.33.1.mybuild /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.1.mybuild |
| 14:58.00 | user_ | yet no initrd is generated |
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| 14:58.18 | wols | then maybe there is an error happening while the file is created? |
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| 14:58.25 | asaleem | petemc, got it |
| 14:58.29 | asaleem | petemc, thanks |
| 14:58.31 | user_ | if there is, I don't see it |
| 14:58.42 | wols | user_: are you actually building stuff it needs for bootup as modules? |
| 14:58.52 | isfranc | asaleem: log /var/log/mail.xxx |
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| 14:59.03 | user_ | I took the .config from the kernel that ships with debian from /boot/config* |
| 14:59.12 | asaleem | petemc, actually, the spam filters allows all emails to admin@mydomain.com |
| 14:59.12 | user_ | so it should be quite close to the original debian kernel |
| 15:00.03 | wols | user_: postrm.d ? |
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| 15:00.07 | tonytraductor | hi gusy |
| 15:00.09 | tonytraductor | guys |
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| 15:01.03 | tonytraductor | I think my router crapped out on me, so I'm going to have to get a new one, and wondered if there are any caveats, warnings, or recommendations. |
| 15:01.13 | user_ | wols: http://pastie.org/872045 |
| 15:01.14 | wols | tonytraductor: ##hardware |
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| 15:04.03 | tonytraductor | I don't think it's going to make any difference...I don't see any mention of routers at wiki.debian.org |
| 15:05.16 | tonytraductor | I've been using a linksys wrt54g, though, and it seems to being having issues. I can't access the admin page, and no connection gets through (connected directly to my modem at this moment) |
| 15:05.36 | babilen | tonytraductor: considered dd-wrt / openwrt ? |
| 15:05.59 | tonytraductor | what is dd-wrt or openwrt? never heard of them |
| 15:06.09 | user_ | wols: not sure what you mean by postrm.d |
| 15:06.18 | tonytraductor | I've had several of these linksys routers, they do seem to crap out after a while |
| 15:06.25 | wols | user_: postrm is stuff that is run when you remove a package |
| 15:06.39 | tonytraductor | I was wondering if anyone had a better suggestion. I have no experience with belkin or netgear or any other brand |
| 15:06.47 | vegardx | tonytraductor: Check out openwrt or tomato, it's a firmware. |
| 15:06.54 | user_ | wols: ah, I'm just doing a dpkg -i to the new .deb |
| 15:06.54 | babilen | tonytraductor: Google that - basically alternative firmware |
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| 15:07.05 | vegardx | Linksys WRT54GL is some of the most stable home routers you'll get. |
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| 15:07.35 | babilen | tonytraductor: buffalo now ships routers with dd-wrt |
| 15:07.43 | tonytraductor | looks interesting. of course, when I can't access the router admin page, how could I install different firmware? don't I have to be able to communicate with the router? the lights are on, but nobody's home in there |
| 15:07.57 | tonytraductor | antyhing FREE is good. |
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| 15:08.42 | wols | and anything not related to debian, like alternative router firmware is BAD |
| 15:08.44 | vegardx | tonytraductor: tftp |
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| 15:10.41 | babilen | tonytraductor: As interesting as all this is, it's still OT in here ;) - There are various specialised channels (##hardware #openwrt #dd-wrt #tomato) that will be happy to discuss with you :) |
| 15:12.12 | tonytraductor | I'm going to look for these buffalo routers |
| 15:12.20 | user_ | wols: maybe I'm missing some initrd related packge in my install? |
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| 15:13.27 | Bohemian | anyone here interested in evaluating a site for me and telling me what they think could be done to make the navigation easier? |
| 15:13.35 | Bohemian | if so, let me know and i'll pm you the link |
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| 15:15.05 | iceroot | Bohemian: #html |
| 15:15.10 | iceroot | or something like that |
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| 15:18.08 | ishi | is it possible to display 'control file' of a given .deb? |
| 15:18.24 | wols | sure. get the deb source package and look at it |
| 15:18.45 | ishi | well... any other way... some apt-display-info |
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| 15:21.21 | tom___ | How can I get dpkg use autoconf 2.61 instead of 2.59 for the new gcc src package? |
| 15:21.39 | tom___ | strange htat it wants an old version |
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| 15:24.30 | rvsjoen | is this a package you are making yourself ? the necessary scripts are usually bundled with the source, regardless of the installed autoconf version |
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| 15:25.26 | rvsjoen | the only time you would care about that is when making the tarball |
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| 15:27.51 | twiggz | hi, running squeeze here, and I dont want the linux 2.6.32-trunk-686 entry and the matching recovery entry on my grub menu since I have the 2.6.32-3-686 kernel , i just comment out the linux-2.6.32-trunk menuentries and run update-grub? |
| 15:28.28 | babilen | twiggz: You could also just remove the -trunk- package iff you have booted into the -3- one |
| 15:28.29 | wols | twiggz: then the entry will come back |
| 15:28.36 | wols | just uninstall the kernel(s) you don't want |
| 15:28.44 | tom___ | It is gcc-4.4.3 src. For unknown reasons it wants an old autoconf. I am trying to install that version of autoconf. |
| 15:28.45 | tonytraductor | okay, you guys be good. ttyl |
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| 15:28.59 | wols | ,versions gcc |
| 15:29.00 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
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| 15:29.12 | wols | tom___: any reason you can't use lenny gcc? |
| 15:29.15 | twiggz | what i dont understand is that it put the trunk kernel first, last time it updated the kernel, it put the new kernel first in the menu |
| 15:29.18 | babilen | twiggz: There is a bug about that #568160 |
| 15:30.17 | wols | or any reason you need a special gcc version in the first place? |
| 15:30.20 | tom___ | wols: It sometimes produces crashing executables (lame). |
| 15:30.25 | twiggz | ok so aptitude remove the trunk kernels and run update-grub? |
| 15:30.37 | babilen | twiggz: and in /etc/grub.d/10_linux - the version comparison basically relies on a sort (order from LC_COLLATE) and -trunk is not special cased |
| 15:31.07 | babilen | twiggz: You should just boot into the -3- kernel and remove the -trunk-, grub will be taken care of |
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| 15:31.54 | twiggz | Ive already booted into the newer kernel, i rebooted twice before i figured out that it stuck the older kernel first in the menu :/ |
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| 15:32.04 | fastputty | hello however i send email uing exim, my email fall into junkbox of hotmail, yahoo etc.. is there a way to legit my email?? |
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| 15:33.07 | wols | fastputty: use a smarthost |
| 15:33.34 | fastputty | any wiki on that? i never haerd about thi |
| 15:33.34 | babilen | twiggz: You can then safely remove the -trunk kernel. Just make sure that -3- works for you :) |
| 15:33.35 | fastputty | this |
| 15:33.40 | babilen | twiggz: same happened here :) |
| 15:33.43 | ishi | is it possible to put some temporary files in .deb package? Say, data base dumps used to create database schema and bootstrap it with some dictionary data... |
| 15:33.45 | wols | fastputty: google it |
| 15:33.56 | Titan8990 | fastputty: depends on why its happening. I would start by making sure my domain has a PTR record, and uses SDF. |
| 15:34.03 | tom___ | wols: strange, I have gcc-4.3.2 on Lenny |
| 15:34.09 | Titan8990 | fastputty: sorry, SPF |
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| 15:34.49 | twiggz | k, brb, lets see what happened. |
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| 15:37.00 | rgr | fastputty: almost certainly you are in a bad ip block. This sucks. use a smrthost like gmail smtp. |
| 15:37.03 | \amethyst | tom___: you could install autoconf2.59 from backports |
| 15:39.00 | tom___ | amethyst: looking |
| 15:39.34 | wols | tom___: I suggest to use lenny's gcc first. much less hassle |
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| 15:41.02 | tom___ | wols: It is only version 4.3.2. I want to try 4.4.x |
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| 15:43.11 | baffled_ | Is there a package which will give the same screen resizing capability as svgatextmode on machines with nvidia chip sets? |
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| 15:43.36 | valdyn | baffled_: its called Xorg, its also faster. |
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| 15:43.49 | tom___ | I am installing 2.59 from backports. |
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| 15:44.31 | baffled_ | valdyn: I'm not using 'x' I'm using text consoles. |
| 15:44.34 | tim_abell | what will it take to get dell to support debian with their open manage software? this is giving me no end of pain |
| 15:44.42 | valdyn | baffled_: thats your problem |
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| 15:46.22 | wols | tim_abell: a suitcase of money for dell |
| 15:46.22 | k23z__ | my laptop arrow keys are completely fucked => I cannot code properly anymore, if I get a usb keyboard and I attach it can I disable the laptop keyboard ? I have a toshiba satellite |
| 15:46.29 | tom___ | a little bit of hassle,but it worked, thx |
| 15:46.52 | tom___ | strange, that they are using an old autoconf. |
| 15:47.37 | baffled_ | valdyn: does that mean you don't know the solution or there isn't one? |
| 15:48.06 | valdyn | baffled_: no, it means that im saying that X is superior to your options |
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| 15:48.17 | mederEsite | what's the preferred way to use chrome on debian? |
| 15:48.21 | mederEsite | you have to build it, right? |
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| 15:48.35 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:48.52 | valdyn | baffled_: you can use vesafb or nvidiafb, that is kernel framebuffer drivers |
| 15:49.16 | johnfg | If I want to install the latest evolution from testing, do I have to remove the current? Or how would I go about the upgrade? And I'm currently running lenny, all latest patches. |
| 15:49.32 | mederEsite | have you compared the backports evolution version |
| 15:49.37 | mederEsite | to your stable one? |
| 15:49.55 | valdyn | johnfg: dont try i think, not the testing version, not worth the hassle |
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| 15:50.22 | valdyn | johnfg: but backports.org is good |
| 15:50.50 | johnfg | valdyn, My problem, is that the versions aren't the same between fedora 12 and lenny, and the addressbook won't read in our lenny version. |
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| 15:51.14 | johnfg | What version is in backports.org? |
| 15:51.40 | wols | johnfg: packages.debian.org and find out yourself |
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| 15:53.10 | valdyn | johnfg: exporting and importing vcards does not work? |
| 15:53.11 | twiggz | wow that was fun. |
| 15:53.21 | babilen | twiggz: really? |
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| 15:53.33 | twiggz | had to disable the S.M.A.R.T. function on my sata drive |
| 15:53.36 | twiggz | to get it to boot |
| 15:53.51 | _KaszpiR_ | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/129115793545040623.jpg |
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| 15:53.52 | _KaszpiR_ | behehehehe |
| 15:54.52 | DL7LN | i'm building a new kernel. i have a Intel i§-530 CPU. what processor-family should i choose in kernel-configuration? any suggestions? |
| 15:54.58 | DL7LN | i3 |
| 15:55.05 | twiggz | apparently S.M.A.R.T. didnt think to much of what removing that kernel did to my grub. |
| 15:55.55 | wols | twiggz: this is nonsense |
| 15:56.06 | twiggz | Nevertheless it is true. |
| 15:56.12 | wols | twiggz: no it's not |
| 15:56.19 | johnfg | valdyn, I did the backup settings (have for a long time), but haven't tried the vcard thing. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 15:56.20 | wols | DL7LN: core2duo |
| 15:56.36 | DL7LN | wols, is not in the list? |
| 15:56.54 | DL7LN | core 2/new xeon? |
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| 16:00.50 | baffled_ | valdyn: I've loaded the nvidiafb module np but do you know of any utilities for manipulating the screen size etc? |
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| 16:02.12 | wols | baffled_: man fbset |
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| 16:03.02 | user_ | wols: I figured it out, the fix was: copy /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs instead of the script in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ |
| 16:03.18 | user_ | wols: now upon dpkg -i of the kernel image, initrd is correctly generated and everything is perfect. |
| 16:03.20 | user_ | thanks for your assistance |
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| 16:04.10 | lysol | hey everyone |
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| 16:04.46 | johnfg | Ok, is there a way to give one command to either apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, synaptic or whatever, to remove the whole evolution packages? |
| 16:04.54 | k23z__ | hello any answer about my freakin keyboard ? |
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| 16:05.09 | liable | computer says no |
| 16:05.19 | wols | johnfg: why remove it? |
| 16:05.34 | lysol | im trying to compile something i know i have ssl installed but i get this error "checking whether compiling and linking against Openssl works....no configure: error: missing openssl" |
| 16:05.46 | wols | johnfg: if you got your evolution packages from testing while running lenny, your debian install is already broken beyond repair anyways |
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| 16:06.00 | johnfg | I might just use icedove, until squeeze, and a newer version. |
| 16:06.00 | wols | lysol: dpkg -l libssl-dev |
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| 16:06.41 | fastputty | wols: i check the smarthost thing, but my provider doesnt provide me that. isnt there a way to do it by myself using exim |
| 16:06.42 | johnfg | wols, Nope, I'm only running programs from for stable, contrib, non-free. |
| 16:06.53 | fastputty | wols: i heard about spf record and other stuff possible to set in the dns |
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| 16:07.14 | johnfg | I was asking about trying the evolution from testing, but have been steered away from it. |
| 16:07.32 | wols | fastputty: you cannot do it yourself. the point of a smarthost is to use an IP which is not in a dialup IP range |
| 16:07.56 | fastputty | and the DKIM? isn it for it? |
| 16:08.04 | fastputty | sorry for my small knowledge :O |
| 16:08.14 | wols | fastputty: is this a domain with a server you have at a hoster or is it for your home network where you are currently connecting frm? |
| 16:08.14 | lysol | wols: whats it supposed to say when i type that |
| 16:08.29 | wols | lysol: tell us what it says |
| 16:08.31 | fastputty | wols: its a domain with a server |
| 16:08.40 | lysol | wols i cant paste but i will try to type it out |
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| 16:09.08 | wols | fastputty: then dkim or spf can work, however there is no recognized standard. first thing is to find out why these places consider your mail junk |
| 16:09.25 | fastputty | wols: because i put a link into the mail.. |
| 16:09.25 | wols | lysol: is libssl-dev installed, yes or no? |
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| 16:09.29 | Titan8990 | recommends starting with spf |
| 16:09.33 | fastputty | wols: but it a confirmation link so its not a spam :S |
| 16:09.41 | Titan8990 | like I recommended *hours* ago.... |
| 16:09.50 | wols | fastputty: did the users specificially request the mail you sent? |
| 16:10.03 | fastputty | wols: yes. |
| 16:10.17 | fastputty | wols: they register and a confirmation mail is sent |
| 16:10.18 | lysol | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend | / Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | name version description | ii libssl-dev 0.9.8g-15+lenn SSL development libraries, header files and |
| 16:10.19 | wols | Titan8990: how does this help when it's banned due to content? |
| 16:10.28 | fastputty | wols: they need to confirmed it with te link recieve in the mail |
| 16:10.42 | wols | lysol: since it's installed, check your configure log what happens |
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| 16:11.17 | fastputty | wols: what is considered standard then so i can use to send legit mail? |
| 16:11.18 | wols | fastputty: I'd talk to the webmailers who sort it to the spam folder |
| 16:11.40 | fastputty | wols: you mean i need to contact durectly Hotmail.com webmailers? |
| 16:11.44 | wols | if it's actually the link that makes them consider it spam |
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| 16:12.19 | fastputty | wols: this is weird. not suposed to becaue the link is likely www.something.com/ |
| 16:12.26 | fastputty | wols: its like really legit for me |
| 16:12.26 | wols | fastputty: have you sent a mail without link but everything else the same to confirm your mail isn't junked then? |
| 16:12.42 | fastputty | let me try |
| 16:12.45 | lysol | it says that ssl is missing |
| 16:12.48 | wols | gives up |
| 16:13.07 | wols | not even done the slightest piece of debugging but asking ehre for help on an issue that is not debian related |
| 16:13.23 | wols | !tell lysol about errors |
| 16:13.31 | wols | and I mean the configure log, not the output on stdout |
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| 16:16.27 | fastputty | wols: its still fall into junk |
| 16:16.32 | fastputty | wols: even without url.. |
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| 16:17.09 | wols | then it wasn't the url that did it, was it? now go into a channel which is on topic for your problem and ask tehre |
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| 16:17.39 | fastputty | well i am to sure which channel t go, but my exim is installed under debian so i come here ;S sorry for causing you trouble :S |
| 16:17.47 | fastputty | if it really do ;S |
| 16:18.41 | wols | your exim works fine. debian can't tell other hosts what mails to accept |
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| 16:19.38 | \amethyst | fastputty: are you sending these from your home machine? |
| 16:19.52 | \amethyst | fastputty: the one you're logged in from right now, I mean? |
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| 16:20.36 | developer | how do I change a directorys name? |
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| 16:20.49 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to speed up flash video playback like there is in mplayer? |
| 16:20.52 | wols | mv oldname newname |
| 16:20.53 | Titan8990 | developer: move dir1 newname |
| 16:21.10 | Titan8990 | developer: err mv as wols got right... |
| 16:21.18 | valdyn | fastputty: it probably makes more sense for you if you let exim only deliver local mail and let your mail client do the rest |
| 16:21.34 | wols | Titan8990: you have too many aliases :) |
| 16:21.42 | developer | ok thanks, though that command was for move |
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| 16:22.01 | Titan8990 | valdyn: as I understood it, this is an web application server that is sending account activation emails |
| 16:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | developer: Functionally moving and renaming a file are identical. |
| 16:23.02 | \amethyst | Riviera: yes, the link in the topic and in !quotes |
| 16:23.03 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 16:23.45 | developer | ok thanks |
| 16:23.58 | valdyn | fastputty: if you filter one mail thru spamassassin it will tell you why its considered spam btw |
| 16:24.40 | valdyn | fastputty: or feel free to send me a sample, i can give you spamassassins reaction |
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| 16:28.21 | isfranc | kernel bigmem is a compil option ? |
| 16:28.35 | Titan8990 | isfranc: yes |
| 16:28.51 | Titan8990 | two kernel options I believe, high memory support and PAE |
| 16:28.55 | wols | Titan8990: you sure? isn't it a kernel option |
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| 16:29.13 | macrobat | jhutchins_lt: play the .flv in mplayer? :) |
| 16:29.16 | wols | isfranc: just use a amd64 kernel instead |
| 16:29.24 | Titan8990 | wols: well, its a config option used when compiling the kernel. |
| 16:29.30 | alexidoia | hi I am looking for a special buch of word inside the whole OS, so I cd / and then grep "my bunch of words" * |
| 16:29.35 | alexidoia | do I miss something ? |
| 16:29.37 | Titan8990 | I suppose it could have been phrased better |
| 16:29.54 | wols | alexidoia: yes, you miss "-r" |
| 16:29.54 | valdyn | alexidoia: yes? |
| 16:30.08 | alexidoia | ok recursive |
| 16:30.12 | valdyn | alexidoia: grep doesnt work like google |
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| 16:30.34 | valdyn | alexidoia: "bunch of words" only matches exactly that |
| 16:30.34 | isfranc | wols: a this time a test 32bits x86 xen unstable |
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| 16:30.43 | alexidoia | valdyn: sure |
| 16:30.44 | johnfg | guys, Is there a way to remove the whole evolution ball of wax? |
| 16:30.56 | isfranc | ok thanks Titan8990 |
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| 16:31.26 | wols | isfranc: and? you can use a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland. and if you want the userland to use more than 4GB of RAM overall, a 64bit kernel is recommended |
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| 16:31.36 | valdyn | johnfg: why dont you sync your contacts via google instead of doing this dangerous thing |
| 16:31.55 | isfranc | wols: no, i have a new 32bits sid, reinstall |
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| 16:32.17 | wols | isfranc: and you can't use a 64bit kernel there why? |
| 16:32.52 | isfranc | wols: sure i can select 64bits in menuconfig |
| 16:33.00 | wols | if you ask for a bigmem kernel, a 64bit kernel is the better answer if the hardware can do 64bit |
| 16:33.03 | valdyn | isfranc: you cant |
| 16:33.07 | Titan8990 | wols: I run 8gb of RAM on the -bigmem kernel. It suits my personal needs just fine |
| 16:33.10 | johnfg | valdyn, OK, I guess I won't do the dangerous thing, yet. :-) |
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| 16:33.28 | johnfg | Thanks for all your help and suggestions guys, gotta run. |
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| 16:35.15 | KamusHadenes | hey, what about mail notification for kde 4 without keeping kmail open? |
| 16:35.36 | isfranc | wols: you think i can in menuconfig select 64 bits for have good ram ? |
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| 16:36.28 | wols | no you can't |
| 16:36.28 | Titan8990 | isfranc: why are you compiling a kernel? debian provides 64bit and -bigmem kernels |
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| 16:38.28 | isfranc | Titan8990: is a xen unstable version |
| 16:39.21 | lennhix | IPTABLES is disabled by default in debian? |
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| 16:40.18 | hayleyw | it's not installed by default |
| 16:40.24 | isfranc | Titan8990: special kernel for xen unstable no debian package |
| 16:40.25 | wols | lennhix: iptables is a program. how can it be "disabled"? |
| 16:41.14 | isfranc | lennhix: iptables is not configured by default |
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| 16:42.47 | isfranc | ok thanks again reboot |
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| 16:47.55 | cire | I have an encrypted partition which shall be mounted by the users manually (not via pam_mount). How would you do that? |
| 16:48.07 | cire | it is encrypted with dmcrypt&luks |
| 16:48.40 | lennhix | Installing new DEBIAN. IPTABLES default is disabled? |
| 16:48.47 | lennhix | :) |
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| 16:49.20 | raccoon_ | lennhix: yup |
| 16:49.37 | raccoon_ | lennhix: default policy is ALLOW, that is. |
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| 16:49.39 | raccoon_ | *ACCEPT |
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| 16:50.02 | lennhix | Very Thanks !!!!! |
| 16:50.25 | themill | see, it is worth asking time after time until you get the answer you want to hear |
| 16:50.30 | jhutchins_lt | cire: I'd probably start with the documentation for pam_mount. |
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| 16:51.29 | wols | themill: don't give me ideas |
| 16:51.38 | cire | jhutchins_lt: I have several encrypted partitions, which get mounted at login-time via pam_mount. This special partition shall not be mounted when logging in. The users should be able to do it manually. |
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| 16:51.55 | cire | Is pam_mount the right thing for that? |
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| 16:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | cire: I have no idea, sorry. |
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| 16:55.47 | lente | Hi there. I'm trying to configure my kernel (2.6.28 from the repo). My CPU arch is "AMD K10". Im not sure which processor family is the best to choose. (AMD K8 is singelcore and core2 is intel)... |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | cire: There is documentation out there about how to allow multiple users to mount a drive, but I don't think it's encryption specific. |
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| 16:56.25 | themill | lente: please go back to #ubuntu. |
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| 16:56.40 | cire | I know how to do that (mounting as user). The problem is that /dev/mapper/control does not have the permissions allowing access to users |
| 16:56.52 | cire | That's why I thought there must be an easier way |
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| 16:57.32 | jhutchins_lt | Not all usage models are compatible. |
| 16:57.51 | lente | themill: Im not using ubuntu |
| 16:58.15 | themill | lente: then why did you ask the exact same question in #ubuntu a few minutes ago? |
| 16:58.37 | babilen | lente: And where did you get then .28 kernel package from? |
| 16:58.54 | lente | themill: sry for that. got 26 |
| 16:58.59 | jelly | heheh |
| 16:59.23 | lente | babilen: misspeld using 26 |
| 16:59.27 | jelly | lente: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 16:59.31 | \amethyst | when you get debunked in two different ways and you only respond to one, it's not very convincing |
| 16:59.54 | lente | jelly: using 26-2-686 |
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| 17:00.23 | babilen | lente: ACCESS DENIED (WRONG PASSPHRASE) |
| 17:00.24 | jelly | lente: please paste the actual, complete output of "uname -a", for verificational purposes only |
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| 17:00.50 | lente | jelly: Linux lente 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:01.14 | lente | jelly: seems to be debian^^ |
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| 17:01.31 | babilen | lente: EDATE |
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| 17:01.56 | Josh`` | Does anyone have a guide on getting rid of the nvidia-suppllied binary driver and installing the (closed souorce) nvidia driver in the debian repos? |
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| 17:02.39 | \amethyst | lente: anyway, you'd want K8 or Generic... processor type is for optimization and instruction set, it doesn't afaik influence SMP support |
| 17:02.44 | wols | Josh``: ask nvidia how to get rid of them. see #nvidia |
| 17:02.56 | Josh`` | wols, awesome |
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| 17:05.22 | lente | \amethyst: I know that its for instruction set. I will keep searching the internet. thank you anyway |
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| 17:08.08 | fastputty | valdyn: are you there? :) |
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| 17:08.50 | isfranc | what s log for see what my daemon is not loaded in rcx ? |
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| 17:09.18 | daedaluz | I'm now seriously considering moving to Debian from openSUSE |
| 17:09.41 | k23z__ | my laptop arrow keys are completely fucked => I cannot code properly anymore, if I get a usb keyboard and I attach it can I disable the laptop keyboard ? I have a toshiba satellite I'm running debian |
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| 17:10.03 | daedaluz | I have a few questions I couldn't find answers to, so I'm going to ask here if it's okay |
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| 17:10.55 | daedaluz | can I upgrade and downgrade packages at will? zypper allows this. |
| 17:11.04 | wols | daedaluz: no |
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| 17:12.00 | daedaluz | k. how well does dist-upgrade work on debian? it never went smoothly with ubuntu. |
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| 17:12.21 | wols | with stable: it's the gold standard of distro upgrades |
| 17:12.32 | wols | with testing: I guess similarly to ubuntu |
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| 17:14.11 | daedaluz | I was thinking that must be the case. what about propiertary driver support? in openSUSE, I can just select official nVidia repo and get drivers from there |
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| 17:14.37 | babilen | daedaluz: I have no experiences with Ubuntu at all, but upgrades on testing are pretty smooth *most of the time*, that is if you have apt-listbugs installed and are aware of big/probematic transitions |
| 17:14.43 | Titan8990 | debian offers a non-free and backports repo |
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| 17:15.25 | Titan8990 | babilen: there were referring to a release uprgrade... the current lenny->squeeze is not smooth at all |
| 17:15.36 | Titan8990 | s/there/they |
| 17:15.42 | daedaluz | great. I wouldn't consider this otherwise but the amount of packages in Debian must be at least twice as big |
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| 17:16.35 | babilen | Titan8990: yes it's not at all. But how often do you do a release upgrade when you are running testing anyway? |
| 17:16.38 | boodie | Hi (OT); I have a file of rows, with <TAB> separated columns (a date + say, 10 numbers)... what's the most practical way, in plain C, to transfer the date and the numbers in separate arrays? |
| 17:16.43 | daedaluz | oh, one more thing: can I define in aptitude source for individual packages? |
| 17:17.01 | Titan8990 | boodie: ##c |
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| 17:17.19 | daedaluz | for example testing for KDE, kernel from stable, SMPlayer from unstabl |
| 17:17.27 | wols | daedaluz: while it sort of works if you know what you're doing, nvidial.com drivers are not supported. only ones packaged for debian in non-free |
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| 17:17.37 | wols | daedaluz: you cannot |
| 17:17.50 | babilen | daedaluz: Mixing releases is discouraged and typically leads to huge headaches |
| 17:17.59 | Titan8990 | daedaluz: no release mixing. You can however, get newer package from backports |
| 17:18.10 | daedaluz | hmmm ok. |
| 17:18.20 | llutz | daedaluz: if you mixed your sources like this before, you see the reason for failing dist-upgrades clearly |
| 17:18.28 | daedaluz | when was 6.0 due? |
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| 17:18.42 | babilen | daedaluz: When it's ready |
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| 17:18.47 | babilen | !tell daedaluz -about wwsr |
| 17:18.55 | Titan8990 | orginally, late this year. I personally don't think we will see it stable in 2010 |
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| 17:20.00 | Josh`` | So... I just installed an Nvidia GtX 285, and the latest verision in the lenny repos are 173.14.09-5. How can I configure my system to use ONLY the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev packages from sid? |
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| 17:20.51 | wols | Josh``: you backport it from sid |
| 17:20.55 | wols | !tell Josh`` about ssb |
| 17:20.55 | Titan8990 | Josh``: you also need nvidia-kernel-src from there for building the module with m-a |
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| 17:21.06 | xok | hello all.. |
| 17:21.08 | aef | hi, i'm running debian lenny both as hypervisor and virtual machine on the same physical machine with xen and i added a block device to a running virtual machine with "xm block-attach". the command does not complain at all anymore but the device does not appear on the target virtual machine |
| 17:21.10 | rossonr | greetings |
| 17:21.19 | isfranc | where i can see why a daemon is not loaded ( in rcx) ? |
| 17:21.21 | wols | Titan8990: nvidia-drivers sources give you all that you need when you backport it |
| 17:21.26 | Josh`` | Titan8990, ahh, gotcha. |
| 17:21.34 | rossonr | is having an issues compiling rt2570 module under lenny. |
| 17:21.36 | xok | my debian system's dmesg | tail says eth2: Link speed = 100Mbps. though the NIC is gygabit cappable.. |
| 17:21.41 | Titan8990 | wols: ah, ok |
| 17:21.42 | xok | how can I adjust the speed?.. |
| 17:21.52 | wols | xok: ethtool probably |
| 17:21.53 | babilen | daedaluz: I guess the best way to answer most of your questions is to try it. You will not be disappointed. |
| 17:22.08 | daedaluz | I think I'll wait for 6.0, seeing how packages in 5.x are quite old. I'm not too hasty with distro-hopping any more. |
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| 17:22.27 | xok | wols: thanks, I will check.. |
| 17:22.32 | Josh`` | xok, stupid question.. You DO have a gigibit capable switch, correct? |
| 17:22.37 | isfranc | aef: what s is you guest OS |
| 17:22.40 | Titan8990 | daedaluz: yes, debian is not a bleeding-edge distro |
| 17:22.41 | rossonr | mii-tool |
| 17:22.51 | aef | isfranc: as i said, debian lenny |
| 17:23.13 | daedaluz | babilen: I was trying to get testing to run in virtualbox few days ago. will try again with stable, maybe it'll work with extras |
| 17:23.35 | isfranc | aef: you try fdisk -l ? |
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| 17:24.24 | Titan8990 | aef: maybe that requires a destroy and recreate on the domU? |
| 17:24.26 | aef | isfranc: doesn't help |
| 17:24.57 | aef | Titan8990: if that was the case i would have written it into the config file. but that's not what i wanted to do |
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| 17:25.14 | Titan8990 | aef: right, and did dmesg show the device added? |
| 17:25.14 | linduxed | i just did a "sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb" which apparently didn't result in a /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:25.29 | valdyn | linduxed: is that a surprise? |
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| 17:25.37 | Titan8990 | linduxed: mkfs creates filesystems on existing partitions.... |
| 17:25.46 | linduxed | there's nothing of importance on the drive so i just want to nuke it clean and put ext4 on it |
| 17:25.49 | Titan8990 | linduxed: use cfdisk to create partitions first |
| 17:25.51 | aef | isfranc, Titan8990: "blkfront: sda5: barriers enabled" |
| 17:25.54 | wols | Titan8990: it creates them on any blockdevice you want |
| 17:26.05 | wols | and if linduxed wants to create it on sdb, so it will be done |
| 17:26.11 | linduxed | Titan8990: have i broken /dev/sdb? |
| 17:26.12 | xok | Josh``: yes, I do... why is it stupid?.. |
| 17:26.27 | linduxed | valdyn: not really :-P |
| 17:26.28 | Titan8990 | wols: but is the block device usable without a partition table? |
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| 17:26.45 | valdyn | the table is only the partitions |
| 17:26.56 | wols | Titan8990: yes. linux will work fine, windows however will totally puke usually when such a disk is merely present in system |
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| 17:26.59 | linduxed | is there anything i should do to /dev/sdb to "reset" it? |
| 17:27.08 | wols | linduxed: just make a partition |
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| 17:27.21 | valdyn | linduxed: create one or more partitions with fdisk or cfdisk |
| 17:27.39 | Titan8990 | notes that the fdisk manpage recommends trying cfdisk first |
| 17:27.46 | linduxed | valdyn: should i do a "linux filesystem" in cfdisk? |
| 17:28.02 | valdyn | linduxed: yes |
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| 17:28.40 | linduxed | valdyn: done |
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| 17:29.15 | Titan8990 | !tell aef about install it |
| 17:29.29 | wols | Titan8990: actually, I'm not sure how grub reacts ("root (hd0,0)") when there is no partition |
| 17:29.31 | linduxed | valdyn: doing a "sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1" now |
| 17:29.41 | NoobCp | How would one go about commenting configuration files such as /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:29.52 | linduxed | valdyn: will my previous filesystem operation on /dev/sdb have any effect? |
| 17:29.55 | wols | NoobCp: # command |
| 17:30.00 | wols | # comment rather |
| 17:30.12 | valdyn | linduxed: most likely none that is noticable |
| 17:30.24 | valdyn | linduxed: all that remains is that your overwrite the master boot record |
| 17:30.30 | Josh`` | backporting now.. wish me luck |
| 17:30.33 | linduxed | valdyn: i might get a ext4 speedboost :-P |
| 17:30.35 | valdyn | linduxed: but you probably never booted from that disk anyway |
| 17:30.48 | linduxed | valdyn: nope |
| 17:31.00 | fastputty | valdyn: are you there, can you do a test with my email please? |
| 17:31.05 | Josh`` | bleh |
| 17:31.09 | Josh`` | awww |
| 17:31.10 | valdyn | fastputty: send me a mail |
| 17:31.14 | NoobCp | For some reason the Debian mix that comes with coLinux is a whole gigabyte |
| 17:31.17 | fastputty | can you provide me an email? |
| 17:31.22 | Josh`` | what I get for trying to build in /root/ |
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| 17:31.43 | wols | NoobCp: most of it is empty iirc |
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| 17:32.03 | Titan8990 | Josh``: yep, it can make a mess of the cwd. I always have /root/debbuild/ |
| 17:32.22 | NoobCp | Empty! o.O Well, I'll get to discover what it comes with |
| 17:32.40 | Josh`` | Titan8990, no, my probem is more related to /root is only on a 300MB / filesystem |
| 17:32.45 | NoobCp | The ext3 worries me |
| 17:32.54 | Titan8990 | Josh``: ah |
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| 17:33.37 | rossonr | anyone familiar with building kernel modules |
| 17:33.52 | Titan8990 | rossonr: the guys in #gentoo are :P |
| 17:33.59 | xok | how do I test whether my NIC supports 1000mb/s???? |
| 17:34.08 | Titan8990 | rossonr: here, our modules come pre-compiled |
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| 17:34.17 | cahoot | not all though |
| 17:34.17 | fastputty | valdyn: the email is sent |
| 17:34.31 | rossonr | i am trying to install rt2570 |
| 17:34.31 | Titan8990 | rossonr: otherwise, there is m-a to help out for things like proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 17:34.33 | cahoot | hence m-a |
| 17:34.51 | Josh`` | Titan8990, shhhhhhh...... |
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| 17:35.01 | Josh`` | was a die-hard gentoo user. |
| 17:35.04 | Vasistha | I've been using wicd for several days now and have been very pleased. However this morning it just decided that it cannot connect at all to the same network. I brought wicd down and was still unable to connect wirelessly, so now I have a cable stretching across the house and would like to figure out what the problem is. |
| 17:35.13 | Titan8990 | Josh``: I was once too |
| 17:35.16 | Josh`` | I"m having a hard time getting used to these things called "binary packages" |
| 17:35.29 | rossonr | am i missing something in regard to rt2570. |
| 17:35.52 | Vasistha | Josh``: what's so difficult? You install it and it just works. No compiling. done. |
| 17:35.52 | rossonr | m-a build says it is binary module |
| 17:36.03 | Titan8990 | !rt2570 |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | The Ralink RT2500USB chipset (RT2571) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt2500usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb . For RT2501USB/RT2571W device support, ask me about <rt73usb>. |
| 17:36.16 | Titan8990 | rossonr: should be there |
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| 17:36.37 | rossonr | so to load it shout modprobe ?? |
| 17:36.41 | rossonr | should |
| 17:37.01 | Titan8990 | rossonr: evdev should have done that, but if it did not, then yes |
| 17:37.13 | Josh`` | Vasistha, but I'm used to a sane package manager. If something wont work, it tells me why. It tells me the currently installed and the latest available version, plus the testing versions if available. With apt, I have to do all that research on my own, digging through different repos, different trees, etc, *then* add that repo to my sources to get anything useful. |
| 17:37.42 | rossonr | modprobe rt2500usb |
| 17:37.43 | rossonr | FATAL: Module rt2500usb not found. |
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| 17:38.19 | wols | Josh``: you are mistaken |
| 17:38.24 | rossonr | kernel is 2.6.31.6 |
| 17:38.35 | wols | rossonr: this is not debian |
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| 17:38.37 | Titan8990 | Josh``: in most cases you shouldn't dig into different trees in debian. As much as I enjoyed my time with gentoo, I would not call the package manager "sane". I thought it was horrible at managing depends. Not to mention requiring a set of 3rd party tools required to manage those depends and figure things out when a build inevitably fails |
| 17:38.39 | Josh`` | wols, I"m sure I am. I'm just having a hard time learning the debian way. |
| 17:39.09 | Titan8990 | Josh``: once you do learn the debian way, you will find it much simplier and easier to manager |
| 17:39.18 | Vasistha | Josh``: well, once you get a good sources.list set up, I suspect those problems will largely disappear. If there's one weakness in debian's packages management, it's that the default sources.list doesn't include everything a typical user might wish for. |
| 17:39.20 | Josh`` | see, right now |
| 17:39.32 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: such as? |
| 17:39.37 | Josh`` | for instance, I've just installed a new Nvidia GTX 285 |
| 17:39.42 | Vasistha | Titan8990: debian-multimedia |
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| 17:39.56 | lindi- | Vasistha: but that's proprietary software. the goal of debian is to create a free OS |
| 17:40.02 | Josh`` | The current version nvidia drivers in the lenny stable repo are too old to run this card. |
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| 17:40.23 | Josh`` | I need 187.x or newer, supposedly. |
| 17:40.24 | Titan8990 | Josh``: yes, but luckily a driver such as that is one of the easier things to backport |
| 17:40.47 | Josh`` | I'm in the middle of bacckporting, which *should* be an easy job |
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| 17:41.17 | Vasistha | lindi-: and the goal of most users is to have a system that does what they want. Did you read my message? "If there's one weakness in debian's packages management, it's that the default sources.list doesn't include everything a typical user might wish for." |
| 17:41.40 | Vasistha | lindi-: maybe *you* don't think of that as a weakness, but a whole lot of people do. |
| 17:41.52 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: I personally have never used the dmm repositories, but I don't do any multimedia either |
| 17:42.19 | Josh`` | installing the backported .debs partially worked, with a few failing due to (so far) mising dependancies. |
| 17:42.52 | Josh`` | now I can't install those dependancies , I keep getting the error nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-190.53 but it is not installable |
| 17:42.52 | Josh`` | " |
| 17:42.56 | Titan8990 | Josh``: unlike apt, dpkg does not handle depends so likely they just need to be installed manually |
| 17:43.28 | lindi- | Vasistha: yep, different people value different things |
| 17:43.35 | wols | Josh``: have you created the nvidia kernel module with m-a? |
| 17:43.37 | Josh`` | I want apt to install dpatch, but apt insists on resolvinging the nvidia-glx issue before it will handle my dpatch request |
| 17:43.42 | Josh`` | wols, havent gotten to that point yet. |
| 17:43.58 | Titan8990 | Josh``: remove nvidia-glx |
| 17:44.00 | wols | Josh``: wrong. you must first build the kernel module before your can install nvidia-glx. always |
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| 17:44.12 | wols | and what do you need dpatch for? |
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| 17:44.31 | Josh`` | wols, EFF if I know? It's a dep of nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:44.37 | lindi- | Vasistha: and i trust debian to never trick me into running non-free software by default unless its an accident :) |
| 17:45.00 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I myself value knowing that the software I invest my time in is not going to be taken off the market, and that it will continue to be supported, at least in it's current form, as I upgrade the rest of my system. That |
| 17:45.04 | Titan8990 | Josh``: build-dep did not pull that in? |
| 17:45.12 | Josh`` | Titan8990, nope. |
| 17:45.13 | rossonr | ! rt73usb |
| 17:45.13 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 17:45.26 | karlpinc | Vasistha: That's a real value in free software. |
| 17:45.27 | Titan8990 | Josh``: m-a should then |
| 17:45.46 | Josh`` | Still complaining about nvidia-glx |
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| 17:46.05 | wols | Josh``: you are wrong. it's a recommends, not a dependency |
| 17:46.12 | Titan8990 | Josh``: aptitude remove nvidia-glx |
| 17:46.20 | Josh`` | I"m hesitant to try the "suggested" solution of E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 17:47.03 | Josh`` | sigh |
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| 17:47.12 | wols | use dpkg to remove it |
| 17:47.16 | Josh`` | Just a second |
| 17:47.29 | Josh`` | Aptitude wants to remove a *lot* more than the 3 affected packages |
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| 17:47.38 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Not to mention I can have bugs fixed if I want it badly enough and can be assured that I'll be able to chose a different distro/kernel/etc. without having to switch apps. |
| 17:47.48 | Josh`` | a lot of deps I need for mythtv support |
| 17:47.49 | Vasistha | karlpinc: you think I don't feel the same way? I was just letting Josh`` know what new users typically find difficult. Do you deny that new users are typically frustrated by the things I've been saying? |
| 17:47.50 | cahoot | a result of mixed sources? |
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| 17:48.31 | Anthro | Can someone explain the difference between libpam-otpw and libpam-opie? Are they different one-time password schemes? Is one newer/better/recommended? |
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| 17:49.00 | lindi- | Anthro: I am a long-time user of opie |
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| 17:49.06 | lindi- | Anthro: never heard of otpw |
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| 17:49.16 | Anthro | lindi-: I've used opie in the past, but it's been years. |
| 17:49.25 | Vasistha | Josh``: it's a shame you've been using apt-get. aptitude is really far superior, however it needs to be run from the get-go so that it knows that it was your intention to install packages -- aptitude wants to remove stuff installed by apt-get |
| 17:49.39 | minick | hi |
| 17:49.50 | Josh`` | Vasistha, ahh. That was another issue, Why are there at least 3 package managers? |
| 17:50.10 | Josh`` | but anyway. If aptitude is superior, then I"ll use it. |
| 17:50.11 | Vasistha | Josh``: historic. older ones haven't been deleted yet, there are still a few stragglers. |
| 17:50.20 | Josh`` | What if something was installed using dpkg? |
| 17:50.26 | Josh`` | will aptitude pick it up? |
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| 17:50.45 | lennhix | Help me : Port 5900 VNC ? |
| 17:50.52 | Vasistha | Josh``: I think so. It'll probably be in the section called "obsolete and locally created packages" |
| 17:51.01 | Josh`` | lennhix, correct. 5900 is the default port for VNC |
| 17:51.14 | wols | lennhix: what about it? |
| 17:51.16 | lindi- | Anthro: ". It is a completely independent and different design, which I believe fulfils my functional and security requirements better." |
| 17:51.18 | Josh`` | Vasistha, Ahh. I deal strictly over the command line. |
| 17:51.24 | Vasistha | Josh``: aptitude has a nice curses interface (I think it's curses) I would recommend running that, and then you'll need to take a few minutes to mark packages as "manually" installed instead of automatically installed |
| 17:51.26 | lindi- | Anthro: -- apt-get source otpw |
| 17:51.32 | lennhix | Josh`` Thanks my friend |
| 17:51.36 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I have not been following everything said lately. I find that what frustrates new users most is the expectation they arrive with of doing their own system's integration. They want to get software from random places. The big advantage of Linux, especially Debian, is that the distro does the system's integration and makes sure everything works together. Forever. As security patches come out and as you upgrade to entirely new software. Anyone |
| 17:51.38 | Titan8990 | lennhix: in the future: grep -i vnc /etc/services. That should work for *most* services |
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| 17:51.49 | Anthro | lindi-: Wait, what? I thought you preferred opie. |
| 17:51.50 | lennhix | Thanks ALL ! |
| 17:51.52 | babilen | Josh``: basically - aptitude and apt-get both use libapt, so they are compatible. |
| 17:52.55 | babilen | !tell Josh`` -about why aptitude |
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| 17:52.55 | babilen | !tell Josh`` -about why not aptitude |
| 17:52.55 | lindi- | Anthro: I quoted otpw author |
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| 17:52.55 | lindi- | Anthro: i have not used or analyzed otpw |
| 17:52.55 | Vasistha | Josh``: really -- using the aptitude curses interface is a good thing. It goes much faster because it doesn't have to repeatedly load the database for every action. And you can get to the bottom of dependency issues much much faster, and see what is going on in much more detail |
| 17:52.55 | Anthro | lindi-: Ah, I see. |
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| 17:52.55 | lindi- | Anthro: it seems to keep passwords in $HOME |
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| 17:52.56 | lindi- | Anthro: thus fails if $HOME is not mounted (think NFS) |
| 17:52.56 | karlpinc | Josh``: As Vasistha said. Fix it using "aptitude unmarkauto". |
| 17:52.56 | Anthro | lindi-: As opposed to opie, which does what? |
| 17:53.01 | Josh`` | karlpinc, kk |
| 17:53.16 | lindi- | Anthro: it keeps them in /etc without read privileges |
| 17:53.25 | lindi- | Anthro: (not passwords of course, hashes) |
| 17:53.32 | Josh`` | wols, I'll try your suggestion of installing the module first. I"m sure m-a is needed.. but kind of lost from there. |
| 17:53.35 | Anthro | lindi-: Gotcha. |
| 17:53.41 | lindi- | Anthro: but i can't really analyze it this fast :) |
| 17:53.41 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I hate the curses interface, but to each their own. I agree it's faster. |
| 17:53.58 | Titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 17:53.58 | dpkg | i heard nvidia m-a is The short version: aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 17:54.34 | wols | !tell Josh`` about nvidia squeeze |
| 17:54.49 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Of course their's a short term tradeoff to relying on the distro's packages -- the delay until a new release comes out. (Hence Ubuntu. :-/ |
| 17:54.49 | Anthro | lindi-: I appreciate whatever advice I can get. |
| 17:54.57 | Josh`` | Titan8990, problem with that method is the version of nvidia-glx provided on lenny is too old for my card. |
| 17:55.17 | Anthro | Josh``: Get a newer version from unstable? |
| 17:55.17 | Titan8990 | Josh``: I was just putting it up as example on how m-a is used |
| 17:55.20 | Josh`` | but that does help out somewhat, it suggest to install nvidia-glx before running module-assistant |
| 17:55.32 | Vasistha | So ... any idea why wireless networking would just stop working between yesterday and today? I've been using wicd for several days and have been happy with it, but today it is an asshole. And I can't get wireless up with ifconfig as I used to, either. |
| 17:55.38 | Titan8990 | Josh``: it normally doesn't matter, check your pm from dpkg |
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| 17:55.56 | wols | !tell Vasishta about errors |
| 17:56.00 | Josh`` | Titan8990, sorry, about 3 people have spammed dpkg on me in the last 20 seconds |
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| 17:56.33 | themill | dpkg, confuse Josh`` |
| 17:56.33 | dpkg | Yes, what is my hamster tomorrow, Josh``? Lederhosen of the People's Republic of Mongolia with extra ham. |
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| 17:56.40 | Josh`` | Anthro, I'm in the process of doing that now. |
| 17:57.00 | Hydroxide | Anthro: oh hai there |
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| 17:57.03 | r0nin | I'm trying to setup sftp with chroot. The users can login but they can't do anything becuase their home is owned by root. How do I get around this? |
| 17:57.08 | Anthro | Hydroxide: Heya |
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| 17:57.35 | Anthro | r0nin: Why is their home owned by root? |
| 17:57.39 | Titan8990 | r0nin: change ownership on their home directories? |
| 18:00.02 | Josh`` | the "aptitude unmarkauto" command wants to remove 23 packages I need for mythtv functionality. |
| 18:00.05 | r0nin | For sftp to chroot the users to their home, root has to own it says the man and searchs |
| 18:00.10 | Josh`` | That's quite odd. |
| 18:00.56 | r0nin | i haven't been able to log in to sftp unless root owns it |
| 18:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | r0nin: Sounds correct to me. |
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| 18:01.36 | jhutchins_lt | r0nin: How did you create the user directories? Did you use useradd and specify the chroot directory? |
| 18:01.39 | wols | r0nin: has to own what? define your "it" |
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| 18:02.23 | wols | Jurkki: my home is owned by me |
| 18:02.39 | wols | jhutchins_lt: ^^ |
| 18:02.42 | r0nin | I used adduser and then had to change ownership to root |
| 18:02.53 | karlpinc | Josh``: What I did (once) was run deborphan. Pipe the output to a file. Delete all the packages I didn't want explicity installed. And use xargs to run "aptitude unmarkauto" on the rest. (I may have put the procedure on the debian wiki, possibly.) I don't recall ever having a 'unmarkauto' do anything regarding adding or removing packages. You probably have pending "actions" (which is something afaik to do with the curses interfaces and so I'm not fam |
| 18:02.58 | r0nin | 'it' as in the home directory of the user |
| 18:02.58 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how in screen to scroll back in the buffer? |
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| 18:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | r0nin: Perhaps you should be following an sftp chroot howto. |
| 18:03.17 | r0nin | I thought I did |
| 18:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | RayzrShrp: It's in man screen. |
| 18:03.40 | Josh`` | What do the little {u} mean in aptitude? |
| 18:03.50 | r0nin | yea this one, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 18:03.57 | karlpinc | RayzrShrp: No. I find screen annoying for that reason. I keep thinking I'll switch so I won't have to learn how to use it, but never do. |
| 18:04.31 | babilen | RayzrShrp: C-a ESC |
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| 18:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It *is* in the man page. |
| 18:04.42 | gh0st | how can i view my channel on my wlan0 device? |
| 18:05.01 | karlpinc | Josh``: You'll find the aptitude docs in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html (At least if you install the aptitude-doc-en (??) package. |
| 18:05.03 | babilen | RayzrShrp: "man screen" for further questions ;) |
| 18:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | You can also set screen to use the standard scrollbuffer so that Shift-PageUp works. |
| 18:06.22 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Sure. I want something that's emacs keybinding friendly, and screen has to been pummeled with a hammer to get it into shape and I'm just not interested. I'm just to lazy to switch away from screen (because I'm to lazy to search for a replacment.) |
| 18:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: So vi /etc/screenrc and set it to whatever you want. |
| 18:07.20 | simonrvn | or cp it to ~/.screenrc ;p |
| 18:07.29 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: For some reason I've always used [ |
| 18:07.33 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: There's too many things to set. It's easier to switch to the gnu screen replacement (whatever it is.) |
| 18:08.10 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Or you could just learn the screen commands and know how to use something that's common across most platforms. |
| 18:08.51 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Maybe because it is faster to type? |
| 18:08.57 | cahoot | karlpinc: you mean emacs doesn't offer screen functionality? |
| 18:09.03 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I could. But screen's not all that common. Not like vi, which I have learned the basics of. |
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| 18:09.17 | karlpinc | cahoot: :) I suspect it does. |
| 18:09.25 | RayzrShrp | thanks babilen |
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| 18:09.52 | babilen | RayzrShrp: C-a [ - does the same thing (ESC or [ to cancel) |
| 18:10.02 | dondelelcaro | dunno, I haven't found an architecture which doesn't actually have screen on it |
| 18:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: My point is that if there is a screen-like utility installed it's almost always screen. |
| 18:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Never even seen a "gnu screen replacement". |
| 18:10.47 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Right. I've not seen it installed much. Could be the bad crowd I hang with. |
| 18:10.54 | babilen | hehe |
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| 18:11.05 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Ran across is once. |
| 18:11.06 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: considering that screen is GPLed, its unlikely you ever will... |
| 18:11.34 | RayzrShrp | well that's not so bad |
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| 18:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: considering that it's linux, it's no surprize someone's invented yet another wheel. |
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| 18:12.16 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: sure, but it generally wouldn't be a GNU project |
| 18:12.19 | jhutchins_lt | New Features! It's ROUND! It ROLLS! |
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| 18:13.14 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Humm. screen seems to be gnu. But I swear there was something.... |
| 18:13.45 | RayzrShrp | jhutchins_lt: is that something i would set in the screenrc file |
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| 18:14.10 | jhutchins_lt | RayzrShrp: I believe there's mention of it in the comments there. |
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| 18:15.20 | RayzrShrp | got it #termcapinfo xterm|xterms|xs|rxvt ti@:te@ |
| 18:15.25 | RayzrShrp | just need to uncomment that |
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| 18:17.00 | Josh`` | Okay, back to stupid questions. "nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-190.53; however:Package nvidia-kernel-190.53 is not installed." That was not build when I backported earlier. Is nvidia-kernel-190.53 automagically made when I run modules-assistant? or is it an actual package that needs to be backported as well? |
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| 18:17.37 | Titan8990 | Josh``: m-a creates the module that would otherwise be installed by that package |
| 18:17.54 | Josh`` | hmm |
| 18:18.27 | Josh`` | so what should I do? Create the module and fake the package install, or backport the package? I think backporting the package would be easier |
| 18:18.57 | Titan8990 | Josh``: backport |
| 18:19.02 | Josh`` | k |
| 18:20.13 | Josh`` | sigh. This is the stuff I'm talking about |
| 18:20.26 | Josh`` | E: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-kernel-190.53 |
| 18:20.30 | wols | Josh``: how are you installing nvidia-glx exactly? |
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| 18:20.51 | Josh`` | wols, backporting 190.53 from sid |
| 18:21.01 | wols | that is not an answer to my question |
| 18:21.08 | RayzrShrp | ok i have setup mutt to get my email from a remote imap server but what do i need to do to make mutt send email to that remote smtp server? |
| 18:21.33 | Josh`` | wols, then I dont understand your question. |
| 18:21.44 | wols | what commandline do you use to instal nvidia-glx |
| 18:21.51 | petemc | RayzrShrp: set smtp_url="smtp://user@host:port" |
| 18:22.09 | Josh`` | wols, eventually, I'd like to 'dpkg -i nvidia-glx_190.53-2_i386.deb' |
| 18:22.18 | RayzrShrp | petemc: so i dont even need to setup a local mta? |
| 18:22.22 | petemc | RayzrShrp: no |
| 18:22.31 | Josh`` | but caugt up in aa dependancy storm right now. |
| 18:22.55 | wols | Josh``: is nvidia-kernel-source installed? |
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| 18:23.15 | Josh`` | wols, yes. |
| 18:23.24 | wols | Josh``: and have you ran m-a yet? |
| 18:23.40 | Josh`` | wols, ran it, but don't quite know what to do there. |
| 18:23.48 | wols | how did you run it? |
| 18:23.49 | r0nin | oh sheit i got it, was just a permissions problem, thought it was something with sftp |
| 18:24.35 | Josh`` | wols, ran 'm-a' by itself, got confused, exited. THen ran 'm-a prepare' and now have an error regarding nvidia-glx missing depends |
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| 18:25.35 | wols | run m-a prepare again but this time don't ignore the output |
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| 18:26.01 | Josh`` | wols, I'm reading the output now... The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:26.01 | Josh`` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.09 | Creap | if I dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select a keyboard layout, will that layout then be forced on all users? |
| 18:26.12 | wols | ALL the output |
| 18:26.23 | wols | Creap: yes |
| 18:26.24 | Creap | or how can I set a layout for a specific user? |
| 18:26.31 | wols | Creap: man loadkeys |
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| 18:26.46 | Creap | ok thanks |
| 18:27.02 | Josh`` | wols, I'm not following you. "all of the output" doesnt tell me anything else |
| 18:27.26 | wols | remove nvidia-glx, install kernel headers for your running kernel, install build-essential |
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| 18:28.22 | Josh`` | kernel headers and build-essential are already installed. I"ll remove nvidia-glx and try again (It failed install before, dont quite understand why apt-get is still complaining about it) |
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| 18:28.37 | wols | then install your nvidia-kernel-source and do the m-a nvidia compilation |
| 18:28.46 | wols | no, do not try again |
| 18:28.54 | wols | do what I said |
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| 18:29.16 | Javache | hi, i'm trying to install lenny on a sun v890 sparc machine, however my install stops responding when it gets to "console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]" |
| 18:29.17 | Josh`` | ahh. |
| 18:29.35 | wols | !sparc |
| 18:29.35 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:29.37 | Javache | i've tried using a squeeze install cd and it gets just as far |
| 18:29.42 | wols | Javache: better to get help there |
| 18:29.46 | Javache | wols: thanks |
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| 18:31.31 | Josh`` | I have two nvidia* modules listed in the m-a package selection screen. There are no version numbers. How do I find out which one I want? |
| 18:32.14 | Laberkopf | is it possible to modify the actual debian version (change splash screen, install packages and so on)and burn it down onto a cd with an installer? And if yes how? |
| 18:32.18 | wols | one is called "legacy", right? |
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| 18:32.40 | Josh`` | wols, I guess it could be |
| 18:32.41 | wols | !tell Laberkopf about custom cd |
| 18:32.49 | wols | the legacy one is the wrong one |
| 18:32.52 | Josh`` | the two are "nvidia-kernel" and "nvidia-kernel-l" |
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| 18:33.09 | Josh`` | with my font I couldnt tell if that was a lowercase L or a 1 |
| 18:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | Laberkopf: Are you looking for a live CD or a new installer? |
| 18:33.31 | Laberkopf | wols: thank you |
| 18:33.40 | wols | Josh``: nvidia-kernel it is |
| 18:33.47 | Josh`` | wols, gotcah |
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| 18:36.39 | Josh`` | wols, It seems like the module has been installed. |
| 18:36.50 | Josh`` | The ultimate goal is to get the -dev libraries |
| 18:36.55 | wols | "seems"? |
| 18:36.55 | Vasistha | I have a package that was installed some time ago. Is there a way of detecting which repo that package came from? |
| 18:37.02 | wols | and dev libraries for what? |
| 18:37.08 | wols | Josh``: man lsmod |
| 18:37.10 | Vasistha | I still have the .deb in my archive cache |
| 18:37.11 | Josh`` | nvidia-glx-dev_190.53-2_i386.deb |
| 18:37.23 | wols | Vasistha: if it's not in dpkg.log, then no |
| 18:37.27 | Josh`` | wols, m-a will automaticaly insmod the new module? |
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| 18:37.38 | Josh`` | hmm, wasnt expecting that |
| 18:37.39 | wols | Josh``: verify for yourself |
| 18:38.00 | Titan8990 | Josh``: almost always you should use modprobe instead of insmod |
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| 18:38.18 | wols | Titan8990: is there actually a reason ever for using insmod anymore? |
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| 18:38.29 | wols | maybe a 2.0 kernel or so. but that's it |
| 18:38.31 | Josh`` | hmm, I dont see it. |
| 18:38.38 | Josh`` | let me find it in /lib/modules |
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| 18:39.06 | Titan8990 | wols: don't think so... although, I am sure someone out there can come up with some obscure usage scenerio |
| 18:39.11 | Josh`` | got it now |
| 18:39.13 | Creap | when trying showkey, loadkeys, etc, I just get "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 18:39.28 | Vasistha | wols: it appears to be in dpkg.log.1 |
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| 18:39.50 | wols | Vasistha: is there a log from where it comes? also, check snapshots.debian.net ? |
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| 18:39.51 | Creap | it's on a virtual system |
| 18:40.36 | wols | then it should have a virtual console. is it in some screen session or such? |
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| 18:41.19 | Vasistha | wols: I don't see anything in dpkg.log that indicates where a package was downloaded from. The package is still available on both unstable and this other repo I use, hu.freepascal.org |
| 18:41.59 | Creap | is what running in screen? it's a vps running on vmware I think |
| 18:42.03 | wols | so what is the problem Vasistha? |
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| 18:42.21 | wols | Creap: vps rarely run under vmware |
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| 18:42.39 | Titan8990 | almost always xen or openvz |
| 18:42.40 | vegardx | wols: orly. |
| 18:42.56 | RayzrShrp | whats the command to reconfigure exim4 after install? |
| 18:43.04 | RayzrShrp | sudo dpkg --reconfigure exim4? |
| 18:43.14 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I think |
| 18:43.25 | Creap | at least the vps/cloud admin gui has a vmware logo |
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| 18:43.30 | Vasistha | wols: I'm trying to give someone advice as to how to best obtain the free pascal packages, and I am wondering if I did indeed get them from the www.hu.freepascal.org server as I expect I did. If that's so, then I feel more confidence in giving this advice. |
| 18:43.31 | vegardx | There are many that uses vmware, parallels, xenserver and whatever. Xen, KVM and OpenVZ is not del facto standard. |
| 18:43.43 | amphi | Vasistha: doesn't apt-cache policy package_name tell you? |
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| 18:44.17 | Creap | anyway, could that be the reason I get Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 18:44.18 | Vasistha | amphi: ah, thanks much, that's great |
| 18:44.18 | Titan8990 | vegardx: during my research of looking for my own VPS, it sure as hell seemed like xen and openvz were the defacto standards |
| 18:44.21 | Creap | is there somthing I have to do? |
| 18:44.30 | amphi | Vasistha: good-oh |
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| 18:44.48 | vegardx | Titan8990: Then your research mainly searched for cheapass vpses ;) |
| 18:44.50 | zjblabs | what's the last version of debian that had kernel 2.4.20 |
| 18:44.53 | wols | Titan8990: cause they are cheap to use and implement compared to the alternatives |
| 18:44.58 | Titan8990 | vegardx: that is true, yes |
| 18:45.00 | Josh`` | Wonderful. "No screens found - no drivers available" |
| 18:45.14 | Titan8990 | Josh``: did you run nvidia-xconfig? |
| 18:45.20 | vegardx | Hyper-V is also used alot. |
| 18:45.26 | wols | zjblabs: never was a kernel in a debian version. never released. etch used 2.6.18, etchnhalf used .24 iirc and lenny uses .26 |
| 18:45.28 | Josh`` | Titan8990, you mean the non-existant nvidia-xconfig? |
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| 18:45.33 | Titan8990 | !install it |
| 18:45.33 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 18:45.36 | Vasistha | unfortunately it would appear that my advice is not as good as I was hoping it was :) |
| 18:45.46 | amphi | heh |
| 18:45.52 | Titan8990 | Josh``: it exists, you just haven't installed it yet :) |
| 18:46.04 | zjblabs | wols, what? debian never had kernel 2.4.x? |
| 18:46.07 | Titan8990 | Josh``: it was in the nvidia m-a example |
| 18:46.10 | zjblabs | I don't believe that for a second |
| 18:46.13 | wols | vegardx: you're funny. but you need to go back to troll school again and practrice a lot more |
| 18:46.16 | Josh`` | Titan8990, I know. |
| 18:46.30 | wols | zjblabs: sorry. I didN#t see the .4. thought you meant 2.6.20 |
| 18:46.32 | Josh`` | Titan8990, I have an old Xorg.conf the driver is not there. |
| 18:46.38 | Josh`` | among other tthings. |
| 18:46.47 | Josh`` | remember that bit about nvidia-glx not installing? |
| 18:46.51 | Titan8990 | Josh``: its missing the nvidia-glx? |
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| 18:47.15 | Josh`` | This all just seems unnecessarily complicated. |
| 18:47.16 | wols | zjblabs: would be in the woody era I guess |
| 18:47.20 | Josh`` | which was my whole point earlier |
| 18:47.35 | zjblabs | wols, correct :D |
| 18:48.02 | Titan8990 | Josh``: I aggree that newer hardware can be promblematic... but I just did what your doing a few weeks ago and do not recall it being very difficult |
| 18:48.07 | wols | Josh``: now nvidia-glx installs tho |
| 18:48.15 | zjblabs | how can I get debian woody packages? |
| 18:48.26 | wols | Josh``: it is difficult for the first time, but not afterwards (imho) |
| 18:48.30 | wols | !woody |
| 18:48.31 | dpkg | woody is probably the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 18:48.38 | vegardx | wols: Ah yeah, sure, ALL providers run xen and openvz. How could I be so ignorant? |
| 18:48.46 | vegardx | Jeez. |
| 18:48.50 | dkr | !archives zjblabs |
| 18:48.55 | Josh`` | wols, so now I should 'dpkg -i nvidia-glx_190.53-2_i386.deb' ? |
| 18:49.03 | wols | Josh``: obviously |
| 18:49.11 | Josh`` | No, not obviously |
| 18:49.11 | zjblabs | where's the archives? :P |
| 18:49.15 | dkr | !archives > zjblabs |
| 18:49.20 | Josh`` | That's the whole case and point of me asking\ |
| 18:49.24 | zjblabs | !archives |
| 18:49.24 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 18:49.27 | dkr | !tell zjblabs about archives |
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| 18:49.31 | RayzrShrp | here is a question: if i own a domain name but am not using it for anything and have my debian box behind a cable modem with dynamic ip can I use that domain name for my linux box? |
| 18:49.34 | dkr | 3rd time's a charm |
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| 18:49.50 | wols | zjblabs: the woody factoid I gave you gives you all the urls and such you need |
| 18:49.57 | nosk1o | I have two internet connections and a local network connection. How can I configure, so my machine's route is the first internet connection, but a proxy server goes to the other internet connection? Any pointers? I know basic iptables and routeing, just need a hint on how to do that. |
| 18:50.00 | wols | RayzrShrp: yes |
| 18:50.00 | abrotman | did the DPL platforms go up yet? |
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| 18:50.16 | Titan8990 | RayzrShrp: you can but its not recommended on a home connection where your really restricted on what you can use the service for. |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | guess not |
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| 18:50.25 | Josh`` | wols, see, now I can't be mad at you anymore. |
| 18:50.43 | wols | ? |
| 18:50.44 | Josh`` | and that's frustrating in and of itself :) |
| 18:50.55 | pallgone | Titan8990: how can you do that? only by paying for dyndns? |
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| 18:51.10 | wols | pallgone: there are various free dns services |
| 18:51.22 | RayzrShrp | wols: so if i owned subnetninja.com my linux box would be rayzrshrp@subnetninja.com |
| 18:51.25 | wols | if the ip constantly changes, you don't want to selfhost like that anyways# |
| 18:51.36 | Titan8990 | pallgone: the dyndns I used was free... anyways, you will never get your ISP to give you a PTR record though, which will cause issues if you wanted an email server |
| 18:51.44 | wols | RayzrShrp: no, your linux box would be simply subnetninja.com |
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| 18:52.17 | RayzrShrp | my ip changes very rarely but it can change |
| 18:52.20 | Titan8990 | pallgone: home ISPs in the u.s. often to filtering on port 25 to ensure you do not run an email server. ToUs often include clauses which do not permit you to run any type of services as well. |
| 18:52.25 | RayzrShrp | i dont want to host email per say |
| 18:52.30 | nosk1o | what I need is a way to tell the proxy - route through this connection instead |
| 18:52.35 | RayzrShrp | im just having a hard time understanding how domain names work under debian |
| 18:52.40 | pallgone | wols: yes, but it's not free to map a domain you own with dyndns |
| 18:52.41 | nosk1o | while normal connections route as normal in the route table |
| 18:52.43 | nosk1o | is that possible? |
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| 18:52.56 | wols | pallgone: no one said you had to use dyndns |
| 18:53.10 | pallgone | wols: so who's giving you that for free? |
| 18:53.20 | wols | pallgone: tons of places. google it |
| 18:53.35 | wols | "free dns" |
| 18:53.49 | RayzrShrp | i have a friend who hosts my email on imap on his debian box with static ips |
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| 18:53.59 | RayzrShrp | i have my own debian box with dynamic ips |
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| 18:54.00 | Titan8990 | wols: "you own" is the keyword there, usually the free ones give you a subdomain *they* own |
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| 18:54.04 | do0ob | hi |
| 18:54.10 | do0ob | when is debian getting kde 4.4? |
| 18:54.12 | wols | Titan8990: no |
| 18:54.18 | wols | there is free dns hosting |
| 18:54.31 | Titan8990 | wols: also dynamic? |
| 18:54.31 | RayzrShrp | but if i configure mutt to use his impap server i can read just fine but i cant send through him since he has pop before smtp enabled? |
| 18:54.55 | RayzrShrp | so then i try to configure exim to forward to him and it asks me all these questions about my mail name and domains and stuff |
| 18:55.02 | simonrvn | 'per se' |
| 18:55.05 | pallgone | Titan8990: I think he doesn't know what we are talking about :) |
| 18:55.08 | Titan8990 | do0ob: we are still on 3.5, I would imagine 4.4 *might* make its way into the squeeze release |
| 18:55.12 | wols | Titan8990: you mean for dynamic IPs? no, that's why I said with constantly changing IPs it's not doable |
| 18:55.21 | wols | pallgone: I do know |
| 18:55.33 | pallgone | wols: no |
| 18:55.41 | Titan8990 | wols: that is where the confusion came in. we were talking about dynamic dns services |
| 18:55.55 | do0ob | not squeeze, to testing or sid |
| 18:56.06 | pallgone | wols: we were talking about dynamic IPs |
| 18:56.11 | Titan8990 | do0ob: squeeze is testing |
| 18:56.22 | RayzrShrp | so my question is how do i get it so i can run mutt on my machine and pull email from his machine and send outgoing email through his smtp server so people gettting it see it as coming from my email address on his server |
| 18:56.23 | do0ob | no way, squeeze should have kde4 by now |
| 18:56.25 | Vasistha | do0ob: it may be quite a while. I'm still using KDE 3.5, and it looks like I may be for some time. |
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| 18:56.54 | Titan8990 | do0ob: it does, but I don't think its 4.4 |
| 18:56.57 | RayzrShrp | the config for exim4 asks me all about my domain and fqdn and stuff |
| 18:56.59 | Titan8990 | judd: versions kde-full |
| 18:57.00 | judd | kde-full -- sid: 5:55; squeeze: 5:55; experimental: 5:57 |
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| 18:57.13 | RayzrShrp | and i dont think thats really what im after is it? |
| 18:57.19 | wols | RayzrShrp: depends how he configured his smtp server. tell him to set up smtpd auth |
| 18:57.43 | wols | RayzrShrp: your exim config is only for your own local exim |
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| 18:57.56 | Titan8990 | judd: versions kdebase |
| 18:57.57 | judd | kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6; sid: 5:55; squeeze: 5:55; experimental: 5:57 |
| 18:58.03 | RayzrShrp | wols: if i use set smtp_url in mutt it will connect to him but when i type in the correct password it says sasl failed |
| 18:58.19 | do0ob | this sucks, fedora has kde 4.4 and it looks much nicer, there have been a lot of options added, like the run dialogue can slide out of from the edge of the desktop |
| 18:58.25 | Titan8990 | do0ob: hard to tell because they give testing and unstable very odd version numbers |
| 18:58.28 | wols | RayzrShrp: does he support smtpd-auth? |
| 18:58.31 | RayzrShrp | wols: and for my own local exim could i use the subnetninja.net domain? |
| 18:58.44 | Titan8990 | do0ob: then use fedora if that is what you want... |
| 18:59.04 | Vasistha | do0ob: well, fedora is a more bleeding edge system. debian is more stable. You can choose whichever you like. |
| 18:59.20 | RayzrShrp | wols: i dont know. outlook and thunderbird and stuff work, using ports 587 465,4650 |
| 18:59.24 | wols | RayzrShrp: only if you have a very static ip |
| 18:59.36 | Titan8990 | do0ob: like said above, debian values stability and "free" over everythng and does not cater to SNS |
| 18:59.39 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:59.45 | RayzrShrp | wols: ok i do not so using my own domain on my machine is a no go |
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| 19:00.21 | wols | RayzrShrp: almost no mail hosters out there would accept mail from your place anyways. you're in a dialup ip range |
| 19:00.25 | pallgone | Titan8990: www.minidns.net |
| 19:00.28 | RayzrShrp | wols: so i really just need to get mutt working like a conventional email reader |
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| 19:00.43 | do0ob | Titan8990: sid is supposed to be unstable |
| 19:00.55 | RayzrShrp | wols: yep |
| 19:00.59 | wols | RayzrShrp: i'd google for "mutt smarthost" or "mutt smtpd-auth" or such to check how to set it up in mutt. I dunno how it works for mutt |
| 19:01.02 | Titan8990 | do0ob: yes, sid is always unstable |
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| 19:01.15 | djanowski | hello all. does anybody know what package provides `rs`? |
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| 19:01.27 | wols | djanowski: packages.debian.org does. so does apt-file |
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| 19:01.34 | Titan8990 | djanowski: try: apt-file update; apt-file find bin/rs |
| 19:01.37 | RayzrShrp | wols: i know i can get evolution working with him under x but i prefer mutt so i can ssh in and use it |
| 19:01.46 | RayzrShrp | wols: thanks ill try googling those suggestions |
| 19:02.40 | djanowski | wols, Titan8990: killer tip. thanks |
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| 19:03.39 | Titan8990 | djanowski: np |
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| 19:07.09 | nosk1o | How can I make a connection to a ip address take different routes, based on which process is originating the connection? I want my proxy to use a different network card than my browser, to contact the same ip. |
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| 19:07.39 | uwjesd | Is there bookkeeping software in the repository? |
| 19:07.47 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: GNU cash |
| 19:07.56 | wols | apt-cache search gnucash apt-cache search sql-ledger |
| 19:07.58 | mel0n | hey guys ive installed debian (debian-504-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso) i was told my Alfa AWUS036H-V5 1000mW would work right out of the box but it hasnt :S anyone got a tutorial to get it to work or could anyone help me? :D |
| 19:08.04 | dondelelcaro | uwjesd: there's also sql-ledger |
| 19:08.19 | wols | mel0n: what wlan chip is it? |
| 19:08.42 | Titan8990 | !rtl8187 |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 19:08.57 | mel0n | rtl8178 |
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| 19:09.38 | uwjesd | Thanks |
| 19:09.46 | Titan8990 | mel0n: is that the "N" version? |
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| 19:10.08 | SimManiac | hi |
| 19:10.10 | mel0n | lol am not really sure :S brb guys just having some food :D |
| 19:10.18 | uwjesd | GNU cash says for private use. I want to use this for a small company though. |
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| 19:11.50 | Josh`` | 1000 mW? |
| 19:12.06 | Josh`` | That's a classic case of spin doctoring.. Why not say 1W? |
| 19:12.20 | Titan8990 | Josh``: yep, they are AFAIK the most powerful wireless cards |
| 19:12.45 | Titan8990 | Josh``: very popular #aircrack-ng... except for the wireless N version, which uses a new driver currently still in development |
| 19:12.55 | Titan8990 | !rtl8187se |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | The RTL8187SE is a 802.11b/g single-chip WLAN IC (with PCI Express interface) manufactured by Realtek. Not supported by the <rtl-wifi> rtl8187 driver at this time. The vendor driver (rtl8187se) is included as a staging driver in mainline kernels as of 2.6.29, installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x#rtl8187se . Driver is experimental: expect latency, performance and stability issues. |
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| 19:13.00 | wols | well, normal wlan chips are measured in mW, so to distinguish itself from them 1000mW is sortof justified |
| 19:13.26 | wols | tho, how you can sell them anywhere I can't say, since everywhere there are limits far below 1W for unrestricted wifi |
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| 19:14.18 | Titan8990 | wols: they are legal in the u.s. |
| 19:14.45 | wols | wouldn't be here IIRC. max is 100mW I think |
| 19:15.06 | Titan8990 | I have heard its even lower than that in .de |
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| 19:15.36 | Titan8990 | although, are you sure thats not just the restriction on the broadcasting AP? |
| 19:16.06 | wols | and my client wlan chips don't broadcast? |
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| 19:19.51 | valdyn | ham radio is limited to 500mW without special license in de |
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| 19:20.06 | luke-r2d2 | hey, does anyone know a web-based system monitor? with graphical output of cpu, load, mem, etc over time intervalls? |
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| 19:20.38 | valdyn | !munin |
| 19:20.38 | dpkg | Munin (formerly LRRD) is a network and system monitoring application, presenting graphs via <rrdtool>. Examples: http://munin.ping.uio.no/ . http://munin-monitoring.org/ #munin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:20.58 | valdyn | luke-r2d2: ^^ |
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| 19:21.03 | luke-r2d2 | thx, perfect :D |
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| 19:21.45 | mel0n | am back guys :D |
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| 19:23.55 | Javache | hi, i was here earlier asking a question about sparc but i'm not getting any response on #debian-sparc, could anyone care to look at http://pastebin.org/114812 ? |
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| 19:24.47 | Titan8990 | Javache: unfortunatly that looks pretty specific to SPARC |
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| 19:25.20 | valdyn | Javache: plug in a monitor? |
| 19:25.38 | Javache | i don't have a monitor, that machine doesn't have a graphics card |
| 19:25.51 | valdyn | console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0] |
| 19:25.55 | valdyn | what is tty0 then? |
| 19:26.12 | Titan8990 | yep, my SPARC machine did not have a graphics card, keyboard, mouse, usb, OR cdrom |
| 19:26.42 | Javache | i'm doing this install over an rsc console |
| 19:27.10 | valdyn | Javache: have you tried google? |
| 19:27.16 | Javache | i tried using a local tty (serial interface) but i got the same error |
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| 19:27.35 | Javache | valdyn: yes, told me that squeeze had a fix, tried that, didn't work either |
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| 19:28.15 | valdyn | Javache: do you know the device node for your local tty? |
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| 19:28.24 | valdyn | Javache: ttyS0? |
| 19:28.32 | Javache | i guess so, yes |
| 19:28.37 | Javache | or ttya |
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| 19:29.08 | wols | tried something like install console=ttyS0,115200n8r |
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| 19:29.25 | wols | on the boot: prompt? |
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| 19:29.36 | Javache | that's after i type boot cdrom then |
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| 19:29.38 | wols | with ttyS0 option depending what you can use |
| 19:29.42 | Javache | ok, i'll try that |
| 19:29.51 | Javache | but not now, i got sick of messing with that machine |
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| 19:31.33 | valdyn | Javache: sure you dont have a gfx card btw? |
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| 19:32.00 | Javache | pretty sure valdyn, it's quite a bare-bones machine |
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| 19:43.58 | daltio111 | gys i want to conf a multipop server in debian any idea what i have to do? |
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| 19:44.20 | stuckey | How can I make icedove to *not* create HTML emails? |
| 19:44.38 | stuckey | It's really annoying that there isn't an obvious way to turn this "feature" off. |
| 19:44.54 | dkr | stuckey: did you even try looking at the prferences... it's not like they are hidden |
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| 19:45.32 | stuckey | dkr: Yes |
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| 19:45.50 | dkr | stuckey: accounts settings...compostition..."compose messages in html" |
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| 19:45.57 | stuckey | dkr: I don't have that under composition. |
| 19:46.08 | dkr | not, preferences, sorry. account settings |
| 19:46.49 | stuckey | dkr: thanks found it. |
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| 19:47.29 | wols | daltio111: use fetchmail or getmail |
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| 19:48.10 | daltio111 | can i conf multiple pop servers in fetchmail |
| 19:48.14 | wokrer | New hack tools in www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
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| 19:49.12 | wols | daltio111: as many as you want |
| 19:49.23 | daltio111 | hmm |
| 19:49.38 | daltio111 | any good howto that on debain that works flawless |
| 19:49.45 | cahoot | obviously a repeater included |
| 19:50.11 | Creap | I have this bash script a friend wrote with iptables rules, is there any reason to use a frontend like uruk instead? it's a small server that will have about 5 ports open |
| 19:50.30 | valdyn | Creap: yes |
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| 19:52.38 | valdyn | Creap: probably not uruk though |
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| 19:53.15 | dkr | uruk is just a bash script, too. :) |
| 19:53.54 | do0ob | hello |
| 19:53.56 | mel0n | hey guys ive managed to get my wireless working, ive uncommented the sources in /etc/network |
| 19:54.06 | mel0n | */etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:54.18 | mel0n | but i still cant download packages :S |
| 19:54.28 | do0ob | how can i have a custom mouse mapping for the touchpad and the physical mouse based on the mouse type, i want a custom mapping for the G1 but not for any other mice i use |
| 19:54.57 | phogg | mel0n: can you connect out to other things (e.g. web, email)? |
| 19:55.05 | mel0n | yep |
| 19:55.39 | Creap | valdyn: I skimmed http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls and uruk seems to fit my needs |
| 19:55.56 | Creap | as in conclusion, 5 non-gui tools are listed |
| 19:55.59 | mel0n | i uncommented security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile |
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| 19:56.35 | Creap | or what do you suggest? |
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| 19:57.32 | mmlj4 | what's with /dev/null being unreadable? This has happened to me thrice now... what bug mangles permissions on /dev/null? |
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| 19:58.06 | Creap | arno-iptables-firewall? |
| 19:58.09 | gyyg | Where can I find older versions of debian? |
| 19:58.19 | gyyg | Specifically 4? |
| 19:58.37 | Titan8990 | gyyg: sure you want to? it no longer gets security updates |
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| 19:59.54 | gyyg | I am, it is for a hacking class, and I need the kernal without some of the security updates :) |
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| 20:00.17 | niklaswe | a |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | gyyg: your professor should be able to help you find that |
| 20:00.30 | Titan8990 | gyyg: there are a couple linux distros out there setup to be vulnerable to a number of exploits for that type of testing |
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| 20:00.58 | Titan8990 | gyyg: damn vulnerable linux for example |
| 20:01.40 | gyyg | I know, I just need an ISO of debian 4 at the moment. I am trying to run a VM on my laptop here to try something out, and do not have access to the disk at the school |
| 20:02.00 | Titan8990 | !snapshots |
| 20:02.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | not quite .. but oh well |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | doesn't feel like helping crackers |
| 20:02.12 | musca | http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/ |
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| 20:02.29 | noppe | when will testing be frozen again? |
| 20:02.39 | abrotman | !tell noppe about wwsr |
| 20:03.19 | gyyg | Thanks! |
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| 20:03.49 | PARLIAMENT | dpkg: tell me about wwsr |
| 20:04.02 | PARLIAMENT | !tell PARLIAMENT about wwsr |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | !tell PARLIAMENT about selftell |
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| 20:04.27 | noppe | thanks abrotman |
| 20:05.08 | daffidity | !tell daffidity about selftell |
| 20:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi all... how do I find out, why my system has ca 95% wait in top? |
| 20:05.13 | daffidity | aha |
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| 20:06.01 | mmlj4 | something is setting crw-rw---- permissions on /dev/null at boot |
| 20:06.07 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: what does the 'wa' mean ? |
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| 20:06.18 | Creap | what's the difference between iptables and a firewall/iptables frontend? I mean http://wiki.debian.org/iptables gives instructions to configure iptables but http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls gives advice on howto configure "frontends" to iptables |
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| 20:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, not wait? |
| 20:06.29 | oskude | hello. haven't used Debian for years (sorry;) but i just found out that trying to run an .exe from a cdrom with nautilus in ubuntu, will be blocked. so i was wondering if the default debian desktop has this "feature" too ? |
| 20:06.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant .. it tells you IIRC |
| 20:07.14 | Josh`` | oskude, exe's dont work in linux. You need WINE to "emulate" a windows environment |
| 20:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it only says 95.7%wa , but CPU-usage of the highest process is... well, 5% (sometimes more) |
| 20:07.21 | PARLIAMENT | Creap: I believe that iptables is a component of the kernel that handles packet filtering, and it can be configured with either text files or some graphical frontend |
| 20:07.24 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: you might try iotop to see if anything is being a disk hog |
| 20:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | did that |
| 20:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see anything |
| 20:07.42 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: wa is processes waiting on IO |
| 20:07.45 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have any processes in the D state? |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | iftop ? (is that the right name?) |
| 20:07.55 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: something is waiting for IO and possibly blocking .. |
| 20:07.56 | oskude | Josh``, yes i know. sorry to not mention that i mean running an .exe with wine from nautilus is blocked |
| 20:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, iotop |
| 20:08.00 | Josh`` | PARLIAMENT, I"m not aware of any graphical frontend. Text files would only be a series of scripts. |
| 20:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 20:08.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i think ther's also iftop |
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| 20:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're right, I have that one, forgot about it, though |
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| 20:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's showing network stuff, though |
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| 20:09.00 | bzrk | CutMeOwnThroat: iostat or sar will help you, maybe dstat too (not sure about that one) |
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| 20:09.14 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 20:09.18 | HardDisk_WP | I got probs with a Sundance IP 100A LAN card |
| 20:09.24 | HardDisk_WP | dmesg full of http://pastebin.com/R83HQ7F8 |
| 20:09.38 | HardDisk_WP | and after two or three of them, the ppp connection drops |
| 20:09.41 | PARLIAMENT | Creap: wait, netfilter is the kernel packet filter, iptables is in user space |
| 20:09.42 | HardDisk_WP | on this lan card |
| 20:10.00 | HardDisk_WP | so I have to rmmod sundance && modprobe sundance to get it working again |
| 20:10.02 | HardDisk_WP | what causes this prob? |
| 20:10.15 | HardDisk_WP | i'm on Linux praxis-rgw 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:10.23 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: network is still IO |
| 20:10.23 | do0ob | HardDisk_WP: some kind of debug output enabled? |
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| 20:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, iostat I never heard.. sysstat ain't installed |
| 20:10.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: vmstat 3 ? |
| 20:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, right... doesn't show a lot of activity either |
| 20:10.42 | bzrk | CutMeOwnThroat: its part of sysstat |
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| 20:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bzrk, installing it |
| 20:11.08 | bzrk | there are a few tracing tools for different parts of the system in there |
| 20:11.12 | PARLIAMENT | Josh``: fwbuilder ? |
| 20:11.41 | Josh`` | PARLIAMENT, never heard of that. |
| 20:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, hm, weird, vmstat shows "wa=74" first line, then drops to 0. but top still has 90% wa (I wouldn't have bothered, hadn't my mp3player suddenly stopped some time ago) |
| 20:12.53 | oskude | im talking about this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/ExecutableBit and was wondering if that is also in debian ? means i cant install (with wine) my favorite game from cd through nautilus) |
| 20:12.55 | cahoot | and top is actually still running? |
| 20:13.04 | Creap | maybe I'll try bastille |
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| 20:13.42 | HardDisk_WP | do0ob, nope, std linux kernel |
| 20:13.44 | HardDisk_WP | nothing except the network config itself (to make a ovpn bridge) was changed |
| 20:13.46 | HardDisk_WP | but this could cleary not cause a kernel issue |
| 20:13.47 | Creap | oskude: just run "wine file"? |
| 20:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no |
| 20:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, could those do it? root 13502 0.0 0.0 1648 324 ? D< Feb25 0:00 /lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-96 |
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| 20:14.46 | oskude | Creap, you mean in terminal ? i know that, no problem with that. i was just wondering if the default debian desktop blocks running and exe file with wine through nautilus |
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| 20:15.02 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 20:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | moderately |
| 20:15.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: didn't \amethyst ask you if you had any D processess ? |
| 20:15.25 | abrotman | adds extra letters for flavour! |
| 20:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's some "2:3:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84" in dmesg but they're only 10 or so and I think they're long past |
| 20:15.45 | Prestidigitonium | i messed up the permissions on my hdd when i tried to move the /tmp directory from my sd card to my hdd using this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179311 |
| 20:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I thought it was you who asked that |
| 20:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right it was \amethyst :) |
| 20:16.03 | abrotman | no .. you must have escaped the \ |
| 20:16.16 | asg | abrotman: we'll have to make you an honorary Yorkshireman |
| 20:16.23 | abrotman | yippee! |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | asg: can i get some puddin' ? |
| 20:16.37 | Prestidigitonium | and now i cant access my hdd, can anyone help me properly move my /home and /tmp dirs from sd to hdd? |
| 20:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, what IS a D state? 'D'isk? |
| 20:16.57 | asg | abrotman: nothing like good old pud |
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| 20:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | got it D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 20:17.17 | PARLIAMENT | oskude: are you sure it doesnt work on ubuntu? the policy says "CDs without Rock Ridge extensions have all files marked executable, so this policy doesn't apply (same with USB sticks). " |
| 20:17.27 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: usually not a good place to be |
| 20:17.39 | \amethyst | well, it's not a good place to stay anyway |
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| 20:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok, so what does it _mean_ |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | stuff is asleep .. waiting .. stuck |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | comatose really! |
| 20:18.22 | Prestidigitonium | any help would definitely be appreciated |
| 20:18.39 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it means the kernel is busy doing something on behalf of the process, usually waiting on hardware, and isn't in a position to allow it to be interrupted |
| 20:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | should I kill them? Or is killing vol_id a badish idea |
| 20:18.45 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: please ask #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, thank you. |
| 20:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, they look as if they're leftovers from plugging in usb-disks/sticks |
| 20:19.01 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: this often happens if e.g. you get I/O errors or a cable comes unplugged |
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| 20:19.21 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: killing it won't work, that's what 'uninterruptable' means |
| 20:19.24 | oskude | PARLIAMENT, yup. im on Lucid and it blocks the setup.exe in my HL2 cd (actually dvd) |
| 20:19.31 | Prestidigitonium | abrotman: this applies to drive permissions, not my os |
| 20:19.34 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: hm... did you unplug something without unmounting it? |
| 20:19.42 | oskude | PARLIAMENT, i mean blocks executing the setup.exe with wine |
| 20:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, well, they'd go into zombie state and be killed occasionally? |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: this channel is for Debian user support, ask #ubuntu or ##linux. |
| 20:19.58 | Prestidigitonium | and i am running debian |
| 20:20.14 | PARLIAMENT | oskude: why do you need to run the setup from nautilus instead of from the command line |
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| 20:20.29 | PARLIAMENT | oskude: and why not just install steam and download it |
| 20:20.32 | oskude | PARLIAMENT, and what policy are you meaning ? i would like to see too |
| 20:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, probably, within the last 119 days... specially when a usb key has bad contact and unplugs |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: you're running Debian but you ask an Ubuntu forum for help and then whine about the signature? |
| 20:20.46 | PARLIAMENT | oskude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Policies#Implementation%20Details |
| 20:21.16 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: in practice, it doesn't really hurt, unless the process is holding open files that you need to be closed |
| 20:21.27 | Prestidigitonium | abroteman: look already you are hostile. that is some random link i found online |
| 20:21.29 | Titan8990 | PARLIAMENT: why would their policies apply to us? we have our own polocies |
| 20:21.34 | oskude | PARLIAMENT, why not this, why not that... that was no my question. but thanks for the link |
| 20:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, something *does* hurt :) |
| 20:21.40 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: following random links is a bad idea |
| 20:21.42 | Prestidigitonium | i was trying to apply it to my situation |
| 20:21.48 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: but your only solution, really, is probably to reboot |
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| 20:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 20:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said the r-word |
| 20:22.02 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: what is wrong with your /tmp/ now ? |
| 20:22.03 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: unless plugging the USB stick back in fixes it, which isn't too likely |
| 20:22.05 | Prestidigitonium | well instead of being hostile, why dont you try to help |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | why don't you not follow random links .. |
| 20:22.25 | Mousey | hi, sorry if this is an obvious question, but why can i use the Fn-keys on my notebook (for turining on/off devices) in ubuntu but not debian... what package am i missing? |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | Prestidigitonium: you have to be more clear about "it doesn't work" |
| 20:22.43 | PARLIAMENT | Titan8990: "are you sure it doesnt work on ubuntu? the policy says..." |
| 20:22.45 | Prestidigitonium | many times ppl here say use google for help, then come here |
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| 20:23.06 | Titan8990 | PARLIAMENT: what? |
| 20:23.24 | mederEsite | how can I get chrome? do I have to build it? |
| 20:23.36 | oskude | Titan8990, he asked if works on ubuntu. and what i get from this. it should ? |
| 20:23.37 | Titan8990 | mederEsite: from google's website, currently in beta |
| 20:23.47 | Titan8990 | oskude: what works? |
| 20:23.47 | wols | Prestidigitonium: instead of whining, why not state your real problem? if your real problem is #debian's attitude, you can go an whine somewhere else |
| 20:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, hmm, funny - root could kill half of them (the ones owned by nobody).. but yes, they weren't the ones that did it |
| 20:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, oh, there is #whining-about-debian? |
| 20:24.20 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: busiest channel on freenode |
| 20:24.20 | dondelelcaro | mederEsite: someone might have packaged it, but it isn't in Debian itself (yet) |
| 20:24.22 | PARLIAMENT | Titan8990: he said that it doesnt work in ubuntu will it work in debian? I said are you sure, it should work in Ubuntu |
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| 20:24.37 | Titan8990 | oskude: steam should work in both distros |
| 20:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, ah, really? so what about #whining-about-windows? |
| 20:24.41 | Mousey | say, |
| 20:24.43 | Mousey | so uh |
| 20:24.48 | Mousey | hi, sorry if this is an obvious question, but why can i use the Fn-keys on my notebook (for turining on/off devices) in ubuntu but not debian... what package am i missing? |
| 20:24.59 | wols | Mousey: we read it the first time |
| 20:25.04 | Mousey | k |
| 20:25.05 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, \amethyst and all, thanks... guess I'm in for a reboot (dons black clothes) |
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| 20:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | Mousey: there's a hotkeys package. |
| 20:25.14 | Mousey | got it |
| 20:25.15 | oskude | Titan8990, what i gathered, i should be able to run an .exe with wine through nautilus if its not "rock ridge" dvd. but dunno how to find that out |
| 20:25.21 | Titan8990 | Mousey: if you haven't already: try `tasksel laptop` |
| 20:25.22 | Mousey | maybe it needs extra figgin' |
| 20:25.27 | Mousey | yah, got that |
| 20:25.31 | devin_ | any of you having issues with dophin? like its locking up for a few seconds every now and then when copying/pasting or moving through directories??? |
| 20:25.31 | jhutchins_lt | oskude: Try it? |
| 20:25.40 | Titan8990 | oskude: just do `wine <foobar>` |
| 20:25.46 | PARLIAMENT | mederEsite: you don't want Chrome, you want Chromium |
| 20:25.48 | Prestidigitonium | but anyway, i think i just messed up the permissions. should i have created the folder /tmp first? |
| 20:25.48 | Prestidigitonium | wow and i thought the debian community was supposed to be nice and helpful |
| 20:25.48 | Prestidigitonium | are there any ops in here? |
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| 20:26.03 | Mousey | AH HA |
| 20:26.09 | mederEsite | PARLIAMENT: oh. |
| 20:26.10 | Mousey | there's a hotkey-setup and a hotkeys!! |
| 20:26.14 | Mousey | THANKS #debian!! |
| 20:26.14 | wols | Prestidigitonium: it was the ops you just whined against... great entry for yourself here |
| 20:26.15 | nsadmin | Prestidigitonium: no problem... without being hostile, the channel is for debian support... could you do something to show you're running debian? see, otherwise your expectation would be that everyone in every channel know everything on every channel... |
| 20:26.15 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:26.20 | oskude | jhutchins, as i already said. im on ubuntu lucid. and it does _not_ work from my old HL2 dvd... |
| 20:26.21 | Titan8990 | Mousey: anytime :) |
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| 20:26.35 | mederEsite | PARLIAMENT: so is chromium not @ http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 20:26.37 | maligor | mederEsite, google has debs for it also |
| 20:26.41 | oskude | Titan8990, ... as i also said. i know it works from terminal, no problem with that... |
| 20:26.51 | nsadmin | numeric perms for /tmp is 01777 |
| 20:26.51 | mederEsite | sec switching to wifi |
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| 20:27.00 | wols | mederEsite: chrome is a cloesd source special version. chromium is the open source version with some special google bits missing |
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| 20:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | oskude: No idea then, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 20:27.25 | oskude | but thanks for the tip about Rock Ridge thing... now i need to find out if my dvd is that or not |
| 20:27.50 | oskude | jhutchins, i did and their first answer was, do a script for nautilus to allow it... |
| 20:28.04 | oskude | jhutchins, and here i asked if debian has this "feature" too... |
| 20:28.45 | PARLIAMENT | meder: chromium is free software, google chrome is not |
| 20:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | oskude: Ok, great, but we don't know ubuntu. It's not debian, things are different on it. |
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| 20:30.17 | oskude | so, im still wondering if this "feature" is in debian too ? |
| 20:31.21 | wols | oskude: the easiest way to find out is ton install it and check.... |
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| 20:31.50 | oskude | wols, yup will do. just thought somebody here knew |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | and he left |
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| 20:33.39 | oskude | anyone here know how to check if a cd/dvd is in Rock Ridge format ? |
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| 20:34.18 | Creap | so would you recommend bastille firewall? uruk? something else? for protecing a single server |
| 20:34.26 | Mousey | oskude: maybe cdrdao disk-info |
| 20:34.58 | Mousey | oskude: in package cdrdao |
| 20:35.08 | oskude | Mousey, yup, testing |
| 20:35.20 | Mousey | total guess tho |
| 20:35.37 | jhutchins_lt | Creap: It's a good idea to build your own iptables scripts so you know what they do. |
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| 20:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | Creap: A firewall _should_ be upstream from the server, not on the server itself. |
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| 20:36.16 | Creap | jhutchins_lt: that is not possible here, there is only one machine |
| 20:36.18 | wols | jhutchins_lt: it is no firewall if it's on the server. |
| 20:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | Creap: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ for basics, http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html for in-depth. |
| 20:36.36 | maligor | a firewrapper? |
| 20:36.50 | wols | maligor: more like burnable snakeoil |
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| 20:37.11 | simonrvn | only for 19.95$ ! |
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| 20:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | I do run a sort of firewall on a server where I can't control the actual firewall. The ISP didn't understand how to do ssh throttling and I was gettng brute force attacks. |
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| 20:38.12 | oskude | Mousey, i only get "WARNING: Unit not ready, still trying..." what ever its mounted or not, sudo or not |
| 20:38.24 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: something fail2ban and non-standard port couldn't handle? |
| 20:38.28 | mederEsite | any reason why the chrome .deb when i click it doesnt invoke the .deb handler? |
| 20:38.36 | maligor | Creap, I think the issue with running the firewall on the server is that if it's compromised, your entire firewall vanishes in a puff of smoke |
| 20:38.40 | mederEsite | i could've sworn that for .debs all you did was click and it opened some deb installer thing |
| 20:38.41 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: No, I prefer throttling, it works very well. |
| 20:38.45 | Mousey | oskude: nothing should be mounted |
| 20:38.49 | Creap | there might be some firewalling taking place at the ISP level, but this is a VPS with a public IP |
| 20:38.56 | Creap | and I simply want to secure it as much as possible |
| 20:38.58 | Mousey | oskude: make sure it's calling the right /dev/ice |
| 20:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Much simpler than installing a package to manage it, just set up a trottle rule. |
| 20:39.05 | oskude | but i wonder, would the command "mount" say if the type is iso9660 with Rock Ridge |
| 20:39.20 | Mousey | it'll certainly say iso9660 |
| 20:39.25 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: aptitude install fail2ban; isn't much to manage :) |
| 20:39.34 | Mousey | maybe there's a mount option that'll elaborate further? |
| 20:39.34 | oskude | Mousey, yup, still that warning with right /dev |
| 20:39.44 | Mousey | oskude: and it's not mounted? |
| 20:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | oskude: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ <- spend some time here. |
| 20:39.55 | oskude | Mousey, yup and yup. ill check manpage |
| 20:40.02 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Yes, but I prefer a simpler system. |
| 20:40.04 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I watched my failed auths go from 100s to a dozen or so |
| 20:40.09 | Mousey | oskude: weird, try what jhutchins suggests too |
| 20:40.17 | oskude | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 20:40.21 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: I get maybe three a day with throttling. |
| 20:40.52 | maligor | Creap, you could always delve into selinux for a additional security layer |
| 20:40.59 | simonrvn | i still throttle even though i've switched port |
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| 20:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | It's overkill, pretty much everything there is to know about recordable disks, but it's thorough. |
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| 20:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Nothing against fail2ban, but I had to find a solution before it existed. |
| 20:42.33 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: it had a more simple predecessor that used hosts.deny instead of iptables... can't recall the name though |
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| 20:42.45 | joni | hi |
| 20:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: tcpwrappers? |
| 20:43.16 | themill | denyhosts |
| 20:43.24 | Titan8990 | denyhosts, thats it |
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| 20:44.43 | joni | hi...i would like tu use tint2 or pypanel in lenny..but accrding to google, pypanel is not in the repos anymore while tint2 is not stable...any suggestions other than building from source? |
| 20:45.03 | oskude | jhutchins_lt, ok, from your link "Rock Ridge is supported by UNIX systems. DOS, Windows, and Macintoshes don't currently support it. " if this is/was still the fact in 2004, i'm 99.9% sure my dvd is not in Rock Ridge format :) |
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| 20:46.08 | Titan8990 | joni: pypanel looks like it will be a very easy manual install |
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| 20:46.26 | nosk1o | How can I make a connection to a ip address take different routes, based on which process is originating the connection? I want my proxy to use a different network card than my browser, to contact the same ip. |
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| 20:47.13 | joni | kk...thx..so i will try (or do) it that way |
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| 20:48.14 | Titan8990 | joni: tint2 could be more difficult, just make sure you install to /opt or /usr/local |
| 20:48.18 | Titan8990 | judd: versions tint2 |
| 20:48.20 | judd | tint2 -- sid: 0.9-2; squeeze: 0.9-2 |
| 20:48.23 | joni | is debian about installing software manually, despite apt? just so that i know before i really get into it... |
| 20:48.30 | Titan8990 | !tell joni about ssb |
| 20:48.41 | Titan8990 | judd: versions pypanel |
| 20:48.43 | judd | pypanel -- etch: 2.4-1.1 |
| 20:49.20 | Titan8990 | joni: follow instructions of ssb on tint2 (might not be possible at all...) and I would manually install pypanel which looks trivial |
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| 20:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: That would most lilely be in the configuration of the proxy software. |
| 20:53.05 | nosk1o | jhutchins_lt: I can have two routes for the same destination ip address, and set it on the proxy? |
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| 20:53.11 | nosk1o | jhutchins_lt: (thanks for the answer) |
| 20:54.03 | nosk1o | jhutchins_lt: What I don't understand is - giving a routing table that has two possible routes for the same destination, how linux chooses one of them? How can I further configure this? |
| 20:54.09 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: You'd have a default route for the system, and then you might be able to tell the proxy to use a specific interface for external connections, but I don't know of a way to make a machine route byprocess. |
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| 20:54.23 | nosk1o | jhutchins_lt: I see |
| 20:54.24 | nsadmin | how would it know which route to take |
| 20:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: I don't think you can do it in the routing table. |
| 20:54.48 | nosk1o | Because the destination address is reachable by both routes |
| 20:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: You can set a preference for two routes, but not by process. |
| 20:55.19 | nosk1o | the process starts a connection specifying only destination - it could bind to a source too, but it doesn't |
| 20:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: However, you might be able to tell the proxy software to use a certain interface for external connections, while listening on a different interface. |
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| 20:56.28 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: Typically if you want a process to use a specific interface, you specify it in the process' configuration. |
| 20:56.46 | nosk1o | jhutchins_lt: in my case, the proxy has this setting (using squid so I guess this setting is somewhere), but, if it was some arbritary application, perhaps I could write a system-call-intercept wrapper for the application, to force its outgoing connections into a single interface? |
| 20:57.11 | nosk1o | much like socksify makes all connections of a program go to a socks proxy |
| 20:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | nosk1o: You might be able to do something with qos scheduling. |
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| 20:59.38 | nosk1o | cool, that's the pointer I was looking for. |
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| 21:00.41 | nosk1o | I thought there would be some code to do that already, somewhere - I guess it isn't so common - I mean, I could make it work, by moving the proxy software and one of the network connections to another machine, so I thought it would be possible to do in a single machine. |
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| 21:02.33 | nsadmin | nosk1o: linux is largely a coder's OS, you could do well to learn a scripting language or two so you can automate things you're personally interested in making easier/automatic |
| 21:02.44 | Mousey | it is? |
| 21:02.49 | abchirk | yes |
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| 21:03.01 | Mousey | oh |
| 21:03.18 | abchirk | or you take ubuntu and every update is a christmas# |
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| 21:03.42 | nsadmin | it certainly supports programming/coding much better than winderz |
| 21:03.46 | jelly-home | what do you mean "update" |
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| 21:06.10 | Mousey | so more accurately, debian is largly a coder's distro |
| 21:06.25 | Mousey | whereas ubuntu is christmas for internets |
| 21:06.28 | Mousey | or soemthing |
| 21:06.32 | Debijan | Yo, I want to install debian via usb stick on my netbook, currently have win 7 starter installed, know how to boot via usb stick but dont know which exact files i need to put on my stick |
| 21:06.41 | nosk1o | nsadmin: I know python and shell script, a lot |
| 21:06.52 | nosk1o | nsadmin: I work with those languages, every day |
| 21:06.56 | Bohemian | any tutorials on how to set up grsecure? |
| 21:06.57 | dondelelcaro | Debijan: the install guide covers that pretty extensively |
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| 21:07.03 | nsadmin | oh, then you can already automate what you want to' |
| 21:07.07 | nosk1o | nsadmin: I also have C language basic knowledge |
| 21:07.19 | Debijan | what exact install guide are you talking about? |
| 21:07.26 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 21:07.26 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:07.29 | Debijan | thanks |
| 21:07.31 | dondelelcaro | Debijan: see above |
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| 21:09.11 | nsadmin | Mousey: both OSes (and all other linux potentially) have available compilers, debuggers, editors, case tools and IDEs and a subset of all of those are free |
| 21:09.20 | Mousey | k |
| 21:09.36 | Debijan | the problem is, i dont have any installed linux |
| 21:09.52 | Mousey | just sayin, seems like linux is the OS, and the difference is the focus of the assembly and distribution of said OS.. but i guess it could also be seen as "Linux is Linux" |
| 21:10.20 | wols | !tell Debijan about usb install |
| 21:10.20 | nsadmin | why is that a problem? you're probably about to install one now :) |
| 21:10.25 | nosk1o | nsadmin: Issue is, I don't know how to automate that exactly, because I still couldn't make it work in first place. :) |
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| 21:10.39 | nosk1o | but now I have more to test |
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| 21:11.16 | nsadmin | that probably means something is missing in your understanding of the problem/solution space you're working with |
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| 21:13.26 | nosk1o | nsadmin: If I start a connection myself (using a socket) I can define which IP I will use as source and destination |
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| 21:13.44 | nosk1o | nsadmin: but I don't know how to define that for an arbritary application |
| 21:13.55 | nosk1o | I think I need to intercept system calls, somehow |
| 21:14.35 | Bohemian | anybody here use grsecurity? |
| 21:15.01 | Debijan | do i not need to setup my usb stick? i know how to start via usb stick but i dont know how exactly i have to setup the stick and the installation guide is all about linux commands :/ |
| 21:15.15 | runae | hello i have a debian testing with a Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device. I can not use mplayer in fullscreen and as soon as i start the gdm the letters in tty become small |
| 21:15.27 | runae | is it a driver problem? |
| 21:15.40 | nsadmin | you do have to set up the stick... the instructions are in the ig |
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| 21:17.53 | twiggz | yep |
| 21:18.47 | twiggz | duplicated same problem twice, removed the linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 and sata drive would not boot with the S.M.A.R.T. feature enabled on it. |
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| 21:19.08 | twiggz | 2 month old drive. |
| 21:19.09 | Debijan | so i need to format my usb stick to fat 16, currently it is formatted to fat 32, i can format it to FAT ( standard ), is that right? |
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| 21:19.51 | becker_11 | hello I've just done a netinstal of the debian stable release and I'm left at a grub rescue prompt can someone tell me is this legacy or grub2 pls |
| 21:19.56 | JPT | Debijan: should be possible |
| 21:20.22 | nsadmin | I'm not completely convinced you need fat16 but I'd still follow the instructions... if there is something on the stick you want to keep, back it up first |
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| 21:20.33 | twiggz | wols: ^ |
| 21:21.19 | Debijan | alright, and i need to get syslinux |
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| 21:22.10 | abrotman | beckgrrr |
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| 21:22.12 | jelly-home | runae: "letters in tty become small" -- you seem to be using a testing or unstable Debian release with KMS-enabled kernel and a version of xserver-xorg-video-intel that uses KMS by default |
| 21:22.42 | runae | jelly-home yes |
| 21:22.47 | jelly-home | runae: which vo are you using in mplayer? |
| 21:22.48 | runae | what should i do? |
| 21:22.49 | Bohemian | can someone tell me what package i need: kernel-patch-grsecurity2 or linux-patch-grsecurity2 ? |
| 21:22.50 | Bohemian | i |
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| 21:23.00 | Bohemian | i'm trying to install grsecurity2... |
| 21:23.19 | nsadmin | why would you need to patch the kernel? |
| 21:23.19 | jelly-home | Bohemian: neither, use vanilla kernel sources and grsecurity patch from their upstream. |
| 21:23.36 | Bohemian | jelly-home: why's it a bad idea to use debian's patch? |
| 21:23.47 | jelly-home | Bohemian: it's perpetually out of date |
| 21:23.51 | Bohemian | ah |
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| 21:24.10 | edeca | Many packages are "out of date". Is grsecurity _very_ out of date? |
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| 21:24.15 | Bohemian | jelly-home: can you recommend a good guide to set up grsecurity? (i'm making a web/email server) |
| 21:24.25 | edeca | Out of date != unusable. Out of date often = stable. |
| 21:24.31 | Bohemian | edeca: i've heard that critism before about grsecurity via aptitude |
| 21:24.40 | jelly-home | Bohemian: I can't recommend "guides", sorry |
| 21:24.47 | runae | jelly-home i think xv |
| 21:24.49 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 21:24.50 | judd | linux-patch-grsecurity2 -- lenny: 2.1.12+2.6.26.3-200809012141-1; sid: 2.1.12+2.6.26.3-200809012141-1; squeeze: 2.1.12+2.6.26.3-200809012141-1 |
| 21:24.52 | edeca | It's a fair criticism often. |
| 21:24.54 | runae | i tried even with x11 |
| 21:25.00 | jelly-home | edeca: that's pretty fucking old |
| 21:25.04 | Bohemian | jelly-home: can you recommend documentation? |
| 21:25.14 | edeca | jelly-home: Yes, sid/squeeze have the same as stable. Odd :) |
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| 21:25.44 | jelly-home | edeca: not odd, someone packaged it once and doesn't care about it any more |
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| 21:26.15 | jelly-home | Bohemian: I'm afraid I'm not good for much apart from trivially pointing to grsecurity.net |
| 21:26.37 | amgarchIn9 | hi, "man gcc" doesnt find anything, what should I install? |
| 21:26.45 | jelly-home | edeca: it would probably be better to remove it from Debian than to give false hope |
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| 21:27.08 | edeca | jelly-home: Indeed, you're right. But many people recommend "grab the latest source and compile it" just because it has $shiny_feature |
| 21:27.17 | nsadmin | amgarchIn9: the info page for gcc ("Using and Porting GNU CC") |
| 21:27.19 | jelly-home | edeca: I'm not many people. |
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| 21:27.29 | nsadmin | you're one people! |
| 21:27.49 | Debijan | where can i get syslinux and mtools? |
| 21:27.59 | jelly-home | Debijan: both are packaged. |
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| 21:28.18 | Debijan | which means...? i dont have linux installed |
| 21:28.37 | jelly-home | Debijan: er... in that case... use a livecd? :-) |
| 21:28.49 | Debijan | no cd drive |
| 21:28.54 | Debijan | want to install via usb stick |
| 21:29.10 | amgarchIn9 | nsadmin: "info gcc" opens the at document root, so there is also no "info" in my Debian Lenny |
| 21:29.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell amgarchIn9 about gcc-doc |
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| 21:29.53 | LaptopBrain | Debijan: why do you need syslinux and mtools to do it? |
| 21:29.54 | edeca | Debijan: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:30.05 | LaptopBrain | yeah, thats exactly what i was gonna say. |
| 21:30.05 | LaptopBrain | :p |
| 21:30.15 | edeca | :) |
| 21:30.19 | edeca | It's useful |
| 21:30.23 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: also, /msg dpkg non-free, /msg dpkg gdfl (if you really care), etc. |
| 21:30.23 | LaptopBrain | i installed on my netbook with that, great piece of kit |
| 21:30.44 | linduxed | i can do mkfs.ext4 but when i try to do "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 21:30.46 | jelly-home | !unetbootin |
| 21:30.47 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
| 21:31.04 | Debijan | LaptopBrain: because i dont already have linux installed |
| 21:31.12 | linduxed | do i have to install something to mount the ext4 partitions? |
| 21:31.38 | nsadmin | a kernel that has ext4 support |
| 21:31.40 | HardDisk_WP | hey all...I got probs with a Sundance IP 100A LAN card: dmesg full of http://pastebin.com/R83HQ7F8 |
| 21:31.51 | Debijan | UNetbootin <- will try that one out |
| 21:31.52 | jelly-home | linduxed: does your kernel know about this "ext4"? You'll want at least 2.6.28 for it to even exist, and bugs in it are fixed in pretty much any release 28-32.10 |
| 21:31.56 | HardDisk_WP | and after two or three of them, the ppp connection on this if drops so I have to rmmod sundance && modprobe sundance to get it working again |
| 21:32.03 | HardDisk_WP | any ideas what causes that? |
| 21:32.07 | HardDisk_WP | or how to avoid it? |
| 21:32.08 | amgarchIn9 | jelly-home: thanks got that, now works |
| 21:32.28 | nsadmin | it's the definitive gcc doc |
| 21:32.48 | linduxed | jelly-home: i wouldn't know, i'm just using a regular, "aptitude safe-upgrade"-ed lenny |
| 21:33.02 | jelly-home | linduxed: lenny kernel doesn't have ext4 support. |
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| 21:34.02 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: eugh, that looks like either a flaky driver or flaky hardware |
| 21:34.03 | linduxed | jelly-home: should i just go with ext3 then? |
| 21:34.10 | runae | jelly-home is there any way to adjust the kms bug |
| 21:34.17 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, cheapo but brandnew NIC |
| 21:34.17 | jelly-home | linduxed: if you have to ask, yes. |
| 21:34.20 | linduxed | jelly-home: for large file media storage on a 1.5TB drive |
| 21:34.33 | jelly-home | linduxed: ext3 is the safe option. |
| 21:34.37 | linduxed | jelly-home: ok |
| 21:35.28 | jelly-home | runae: I have no experience with that card; works nicely on my i915GM |
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| 21:36.14 | jelly-home | runae: either -vo xv or -vo gl2 works for me. gl2 uses a bit more cpu but has bilinear interpolation, which is nice for fullscreen |
| 21:36.32 | lru | do I have to do anything special to link against a dbg library package? |
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| 21:37.25 | dutchfish | can aynone explain why a /sbin/getty process runs on 38400 by default? |
| 21:37.28 | jelly-home | runae: does mplayer complain when using vo xv? Is there anything weird in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 21:37.38 | Josh`` | Stupid question, Is /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq supposed to be missing? |
| 21:37.44 | jelly-home | runae: what does "xvinfo" say? |
| 21:38.17 | jelly-home | Josh``: it went away in some 2.6 kernel before lenny |
| 21:39.10 | runae | jelly-home: xvinfo:X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present |
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| 21:39.45 | runae | it works with gl2 |
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| 21:40.04 | jelly-home | runae: that is unusual. if you still care, pastebin your Xorg log and xorg.conf, perhaps there are clues to missing Xv |
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| 21:40.25 | MFen | what is a good tool to use to create the directory structure of an apt repo (the server side). i want to publish some debs i've made in an online apt repo |
| 21:40.45 | jelly-home | !tell MFen about own repo |
| 21:41.22 | jelly-home | !tell MFen about own reprepro |
| 21:41.39 | jelly-home | MFen: I haven't actually tried reprepro. |
| 21:41.39 | Debijan | dpkg: Thanks! |
| 21:41.39 | dpkg | no worries, Debijan |
| 21:41.52 | Debijan | it works now, currently installing debian :) |
| 21:41.56 | MFen | !tell MFen about own reprepo |
| 21:42.07 | jelly-home | oh, sorry |
| 21:42.08 | MFen | reprepro didn't do anything |
| 21:42.12 | jelly-home | !tell MFen about eprepro |
| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | !tell MFen about reprepro |
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| 21:42.39 | jelly-home | hides in shame |
| 21:43.18 | MFen | jelly-home: thanks! i'll give it a shot. if that doesn't help, dpkg-scanpackages is probably what i needed |
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| 21:44.37 | runae | jelly-home i dont have xorg.conf here is my log of Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/WkJzZ7YA |
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| 21:45.55 | twiggz | What I want to know is if things are done so carefully here....why would they name a kernel that doesnt match the usual, so it screws up your grub menu |
| 21:46.48 | jelly-home | obviuosly "they" want to mess with twiggz |
| 21:46.55 | twiggz | obviously. |
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| 21:47.03 | twiggz | Its a conspiracy. |
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| 21:47.42 | jelly-home | "they"'ve also stolenen your apostrophe's! |
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| 21:48.04 | twiggz | I duplicated this S.M.A.R.T. bios error on both my 500gb sata, and my wifes 500gb pata.... |
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| 21:48.34 | twiggz | had to disable the S.M.A.R.T. function on the hdds in order for them to boot after i removed the "trunk" kernel |
| 21:48.43 | twiggz | in order to get my hdd to boot |
| 21:48.48 | twiggz | and the wifes. |
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| 21:49.26 | alexsan | Hello, I'm on virtualbox running a fresh install of debian lenny, all went ok except that I can't change my resolution to 1280x800. When using $ xrandr it says: Can't open display. What should I do? |
| 21:49.54 | jelly-home | twiggz: it's probably a good idea to report this as either Debian kernel package bug or directly to upstream |
| 21:49.56 | twiggz | I also duplicated the error using the squeeze netinst with the old installer, and the squeeze netinst with the new alpha 6 installer. |
| 21:50.13 | twiggz | so its not an installer issue.. |
| 21:50.49 | sander | Any mdadm experts around? Wondring if its possible to add like 2 more drives to an 4 drive raid5 lvm array. |
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| 21:51.27 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 21:51.35 | jelly-home | runae: there's nothing immediately unusual there. You could perhaps try asking #xorg (or #debian-x on irc.debian.org, where you'll probably be told to file a bug report) |
| 21:53.01 | jelly-home | sander: where does lvm come into the game? |
| 21:53.01 | twiggz | jelly-home: point me to where i need to report this to. |
| 21:53.01 | twiggz | plz |
| 21:53.01 | man_in_shack | i'm having trouble printing pdfs using evince + cups on deb unstable |
| 21:53.11 | jelly-home | twiggz: probably a bug report for the particular linux-image-$(uname -r) package, I guess |
| 21:53.18 | man_in_shack | ooh, i see a newer version of ghostscript |
| 21:53.22 | jelly-home | !tell twiggz about reportbug |
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| 21:53.23 | Titan8990 | alexsan: install guest additions in the guest |
| 21:53.30 | twiggz | Now both the pata in my wifes machine, and my sata drive both fail the S.M.A.R.T. test ....they will only boot with the S.M.A.R.T. feature disabled. |
| 21:53.54 | twiggz | both are fairly new drives, the wifes 500gb pata was 3 days old. |
| 21:53.58 | sander | jelly-home, I was just thinking that it whould be easier to resize a vm based on lvm.. |
| 21:54.13 | jelly-home | twiggz: 3 days old sounds like a good time for it to die |
| 21:54.14 | Titan8990 | twiggz: what part of the test do they fail? |
| 21:54.20 | xintron | Which is the easiest way to do the following: Build a newer imagemagick version than the one in the repo, compile it and build a .deb-file (it will be compiled on another box other than the one where it will be installed)? |
| 21:54.39 | Titan8990 | judd: versions imagemagick |
| 21:54.40 | judd | imagemagick -- etch: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14; etch-security: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1; etch-backports: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; squeeze: 7:6.5.8.3-1+b1; experimental: 7:6.5.9.8-1; sid: 7:6.6.0.4-1 |
| 21:54.42 | twiggz | I shall never buy another westerdigital drive again. |
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| 21:54.54 | Titan8990 | !tell xintron about ssb |
| 21:54.55 | man_in_shack | twiggz, what country are you in? |
| 21:55.04 | jelly-home | twiggz: ALL vendors have bad batches, or bad models |
| 21:55.05 | twiggz | man_in_shack: I am in Arkansas, USA |
| 21:55.13 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 21:55.20 | xintron | Titan8990: How stable is the squeeze packages and will it conflict with the deps in lenny? |
| 21:55.21 | twiggz | jelly-home: well, i seem to get all the bad stuff. |
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| 21:55.26 | sander | jelly-home, lvm on top of the raid array. |
| 21:55.31 | man_in_shack | i trust seagate more than WD, but WD tend to be OK for me |
| 21:55.33 | jelly-home | twiggz: don't flatter yourself |
| 21:55.39 | Arrowmaster | stable+testing = not a good idea |
| 21:55.49 | sander | jelly-home, if its any point. |
| 21:56.06 | sander | jelly-home, the array is not created.. |
| 21:56.14 | man_in_shack | ahha! |
| 21:56.16 | man_in_shack | "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed" |
| 21:56.23 | man_in_shack | now i have to find out why that happened |
| 21:56.31 | twiggz | having fairly new drives mess up after removing the squeeze trunk kernel within 3 days......i should flatter myself. |
| 21:56.35 | twiggz | lol |
| 21:56.38 | man_in_shack | that's better than the job just going straight to "complete" without doing anything |
| 21:56.38 | jelly-home | sander: it is. You could mdadm --grow the array and resize pv, vg, lv afterwards |
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| 21:57.00 | jelly-home | sander: what do you mean, "array is not created"? |
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| 21:57.08 | twiggz | maxtor was the bomb, my wife is now running on a ten year old 40 gig pata maxtor thats been in use for 10 years constantly. |
| 21:57.15 | twiggz | they dont make things like they used to. |
| 21:57.32 | sander | jelly-home, atm I have two raid0 arrays with 2x disks in each.. want to add 4 more disks.. (so I got total 8).. and migrate everything to one big raid array. |
| 21:57.46 | twiggz | i gave my kid my eeepc so i could steal that maxtor for my wife |
| 21:57.49 | Titan8990 | sander: raid0.... |
| 21:57.50 | twiggz | :/ |
| 21:58.02 | sander | jelly-home, to one raid5 array. |
| 21:58.04 | jelly-home | twiggz: don't expect consumer disks to last forever. Have backups. Use RAID if you need to continue using the machine when a disk dies |
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| 21:58.17 | sander | Titan8990, Yeah.. it was wrong choice to choose raid0 |
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| 21:59.16 | twiggz | jelly-home: what do you suggest I buy then? It seems I cant expect crap out of anything new....when I have several 10 year old lappys and a few old maxtors that still run without a beat. |
| 21:59.32 | twiggz | Ive gone through 2 sata seagates in a year here... |
| 21:59.40 | twiggz | this is just obscene. |
| 21:59.51 | jelly-home | twiggz: buy whatever, just be prepared when they die |
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| 21:59.57 | DogBoy | the price you pay for commodified hardware |
| 22:00.09 | DogBoy | at least they were relatively inexpensive |
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| 22:00.33 | twiggz | yes, I am thinking about ssd or SAS drives next time. |
| 22:00.33 | olskolirc | how can I ever get transparent background on xchat now a days |
| 22:00.41 | Titan8990 | and had a 5year warrenty, which can be claimed for new disks.... |
| 22:00.53 | twiggz | olskolirc: if you are using kde4, you need compiz-kde installed |
| 22:00.56 | jelly-home | sander: personally the easiest thing might be to backup everything, then nuke the current array and make a large one |
| 22:00.59 | jeff__ | I am trying to install httpd using make. But i want to be installed exactly (in layout) as apt-get would install it. So, what should be PREFIX ? |
| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | jeff__: why? |
| 22:01.11 | olskolirc | thanks twiggz |
| 22:01.18 | Arrowmaster | i had a 72% failure rate on WD drives less than 5 years old, now ive gone to raid class drives that are more expensive but have 7 year warranties |
| 22:01.20 | twiggz | wow, i helpeded someone |
| 22:01.33 | twiggz | I guess theres a first time for everything. |
| 22:01.45 | jeff__ | I think that would be easy to configure? or Should i leave it as it is? |
| 22:01.49 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: using Barracuda ES thingies and similar at home? |
| 22:01.49 | Titan8990 | judd: versions compiz-kde |
| 22:01.50 | judd | compiz-kde -- etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 22:02.12 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: or some obscenely expensive SAS disks? |
| 22:02.18 | sander | jelly-home, I'm not able to take backup.. It cant be that hard to move everything to a new array.. and grow it by 4 new disks afterwards.. |
| 22:02.29 | Titan8990 | jeff__: what is wrong with the debian package? |
| 22:02.35 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: samsungs in my storage array, $150 each 1TB sata drives |
| 22:02.43 | twiggz | this wd blue caviar had a 3 year warranty |
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| 22:02.49 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: model? |
| 22:02.54 | twiggz | the 500gb pata that died in my wifes machine today |
| 22:03.01 | twiggz | bestbuy refunded us atleast. |
| 22:03.03 | olskolirc | no such thing as compiz-kde anymore |
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| 22:03.09 | twiggz | olskolirc: bs |
| 22:03.20 | twiggz | i installed it yesterday on my wifes box. |
| 22:03.24 | jeff__ | Titan8990: nothing wrong with it. But i wanted to compile and know how it is done. But i want to do it the standard way. please help! |
| 22:03.24 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: $150 sounds too cheap for those "nearline" models, but perhaps I'm out of touch |
| 22:03.29 | Titan8990 | twiggz: usually you can only take it back to the store within 30 days, otherwise needs to be send to WD |
| 22:03.38 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: HE103UJ |
| 22:03.45 | twiggz | Titan8990: then I was lucky it died in 3 days. |
| 22:03.50 | twiggz | :) |
| 22:04.05 | Titan8990 | jeff__: the best way to see how its done would be to download the source deb, and look at how the modify the Makefile and etc |
| 22:04.17 | Zylvain | hello, i would like to know how to read MP4 with VLC without recompiling FFMPEG, |
| 22:04.17 | Zylvain | is there any additionnal package to install to read this format ? |
| 22:04.24 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: ah. that's different from my consumer HD103UJ |
| 22:04.28 | twiggz | olskolirc: google debian squeeze+compiz-kde |
| 22:04.30 | twiggz | its there |
| 22:04.35 | twiggz | i promise you. |
| 22:04.36 | Titan8990 | Zylvain: vlc from dmm should be able to do it |
| 22:04.41 | Titan8990 | !tell Zylvain about dmm |
| 22:04.50 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: got them from newegg during a sale for their normal $150 each but got a free 500gb seagate with each one, should have waited though because a few weeks later they changed the bonus drives to 500gb samsungs |
| 22:04.50 | sander | jelly-home, or will it take alot of time? |
| 22:05.29 | Zylvain | Titan8990: actually not, I even remove dmm for this purpose, VLC forum main thread advises to do so |
| 22:05.34 | Titan8990 | olskolirc: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:05.49 | Titan8990 | Zylvain: current bug in the dmm version? |
| 22:06.15 | twiggz | 17:01 : judd: compiz-kde -- etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.2-6; sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 22:06.15 | Zylvain | Titan8990: dmm's ffmpeg is not compatible with vlc |
| 22:06.20 | twiggz | its there |
| 22:06.22 | twiggz | the end |
| 22:06.33 | Zylvain | ffmpeg main stream neither :( |
| 22:06.46 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152119 |
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| 22:07.05 | jelly-home | sander: if your current arrays are full, you'll have to juggle quite a bit to get the data onto raid5 with raid members of the same size |
| 22:07.42 | jelly-home | sander: ie: 4 disks full of raid0 do not fix on a raid5 created on 4 disks. |
| 22:07.44 | jelly-home | fit* |
| 22:07.48 | Zylvain | Titan8990: http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=70719 |
| 22:08.42 | sander | jelly-home, I got atleast 1/4 with space. |
| 22:08.53 | twiggz | I think I am going to ebay some new in the box maxtors as they have been the most reliable hdds Ive ever owned. |
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| 22:09.12 | twiggz | Hell, Ive had old ibm deathstars last longer than these drives Ive been buying. |
| 22:09.12 | Zylvain | Titan8990: I should install libavcodec-extra-52, but it returns "Package libavcodec-extra-52 is not available, but is referred to by another package" |
| 22:09.22 | Titan8990 | Zylvain: I see, and the one from main repos lacks proper codecs? |
| 22:09.24 | sander | jelly-home, so I should be able to create an 4 disk raid5 array (3 disks in size).. and move everything there. |
| 22:09.28 | Arrowmaster | twiggz: maxtor and seagate are now the same |
| 22:09.34 | jelly-home | sander: then it might be done with only one resize, right |
| 22:09.42 | Zylvain | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.42 | twiggz | Arrowmaster: that does not mean they are the same quality. |
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| 22:10.44 | jelly-home | Zylvain: there seem to be personal issues between that vlc guy and the d-m guy. ;- |
| 22:10.54 | abrotman | omg his face is gone! |
| 22:11.34 | jelly-home | what use is a phonecall, Mr. Anderson... |
| 22:11.38 | Zylvain | jelly-home: any other video net-streaming software ? |
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| 22:11.51 | sander | jelly-home, do you think I still should use lvm? |
| 22:12.11 | jelly-home | sander: lvm is nice |
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| 22:13.13 | sander | Strange that it should take 24 hours to add one 400GB disk.. |
| 22:13.14 | jelly-home | sander: gives a possibility to pvmove to newer X TB disks in a couple years time |
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| 22:13.27 | sander | according to this one: http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/ |
| 22:14.00 | sander | jelly-home, and what does pvmove do? |
| 22:14.33 | sander | just moves all data?.. |
| 22:14.40 | sander | Cant that be done with a cp? |
| 22:15.39 | jelly-home | sander: sure, if you can make sure nothing uses(writes) that data while you're migrating |
| 22:15.48 | nsadmin | a pv isnt a file |
| 22:16.20 | man_in_shack | running pdftops then printing the resulting ps file works for me, but that's not really ideal |
| 22:16.46 | sander | jelly-home, so its like "live migration"? |
| 22:16.55 | jelly-home | s/like// |
| 22:17.17 | sander | jelly-home, does that also work over the network? |
| 22:17.21 | Bohemian | do kernels have to stay in /usr or can they be in /var? |
| 22:17.24 | jelly-home | sander: no |
| 22:17.40 | jelly-home | Bohemian: what? |
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| 22:18.07 | MFen | jelly-home: do you know whether there's a way to run dpkg-scanpackages over an ssh connection? the machine i need to use to host these packages is running redhat. i want to just scp .debs over, then dpkg-scanpackages ssh://some.redhat.box/ |
| 22:18.18 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: kernel images belong in /boot/, and they must be there |
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| 22:18.41 | jelly-home | MFen: hm, use sshfs to mount the remote fs? |
| 22:19.01 | MFen | jelly-home: yeah... i COULD do that... :) |
| 22:19.27 | MFen | i guess that wouldn't be too hard, it's already packaged |
| 22:19.44 | jelly-home | Titan8990: 5 bucks says Bohemian is a troll |
| 22:19.59 | MFen | is it possible to do a usermount of an sshfs |
| 22:20.04 | MFen | (without messing in fstab) |
| 22:20.12 | hayleyw | MFen, yes |
| 22:20.25 | jelly-home | MFen: definitely yes, that's the common usage |
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| 22:20.33 | jelly-home | pattern |
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| 22:20.44 | MFen | ok, funness |
| 22:20.58 | xintron | How do I add and install a package from the squeezy repo and will this be easy if I use lenny as default? |
| 22:21.15 | klaxian | i removed repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list but it seems like apt-get is still finding them somehow |
| 22:21.16 | jelly-home | MFen: make yourself a member of fuse group (or get rw access to /dev/fuse in some other way) |
| 22:21.30 | klaxian | how can i make sure apt just uses current sources |
| 22:21.31 | MFen | doh. |
| 22:21.41 | jelly-home | klaxian: have you run aptitude update afterwards? |
| 22:21.47 | hayleyw | xintron, it'll likely mess things up. you need to do a simple backport if it's not available in the backport repo |
| 22:21.49 | klaxian | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:21.59 | MFen | well i guess having a "sudo gpasswd" in my setup script isn't too heinous |
| 22:22.04 | hayleyw | !tell xintron about ssb |
| 22:22.17 | xintron | hayleyw: it's not. Can you linke me to a page where I can find out more about backpotrs? |
| 22:22.19 | klaxian | jelly-home: it still seems to remember the repositories i removed even though it did not download them in the update |
| 22:22.26 | xintron | !backports |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:22.45 | hayleyw | xintron, the bot already sent you info :P and /msg the bot |
| 22:23.10 | themill | klaxian: in what way is it "remembering" them. Can you stick something in a pastebin to illustrate this? |
| 22:23.14 | jelly-home | klaxian: complete, actual output from an "aptitude update" command would help |
| 22:23.27 | sander | jelly-home, do you know if RAID5 array reshaping is disabled in the stock kernels.. I heard it is in ubuntu's |
| 22:23.38 | jelly-home | sander: I have no idea. |
| 22:24.05 | klaxian | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/aeAPS9G9 |
| 22:24.17 | jelly-home | sander: I strongly suggest against leaving the only copy of your data on an md array you're going to grow. :-) |
| 22:24.23 | xintron | hayleyw: would this work. Add squeezy, do an apt-get source <package>, rebuild that package on the lenny system and install it? |
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| 22:24.47 | klaxian | jelly-home: never mind, i figured it out. stupid me didn't remove the php5-common package |
| 22:24.57 | hayleyw | xintron, if you follow the ssb steps the bot told you, you'd also install the build-deps. then it would likely work |
| 22:25.03 | jelly-home | !squeezy |
| 22:25.18 | xintron | hayleyw: the build-deps for lenny I take it? |
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| 22:25.30 | sander | jelly-home, thats noted. |
| 22:25.38 | hayleyw | build-deps in lenny |
| 22:25.48 | themill | klaxian: you might want to "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" to clean that up... |
| 22:25.53 | xintron | hayleyw: thanks |
| 22:26.00 | klaxian | themill: thanks, i got it :) |
| 22:26.41 | jelly-home | after all this time, one would hope dotdeb's package quality would improve (or the repo die off) |
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| 22:31.23 | goose | is there some way I can have all emails sent to /var/mail/ forwarded to my real email address via sendmail? |
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| 22:32.07 | Titan8990 | goose: /etc/aliases |
| 22:32.18 | joshteam | I don't understand - I add the two repos as stated here -> http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ and then apt-get update ... then apt-get install php5; but it never installs php 5.3.2 -> do I need to do something specific with the name of the package to get php 5.3.2 out of this repo? http://php53.dotdeb.org/ |
| 22:32.40 | goose | Titan8990: shiny. I'll see if I can't figure how to to get the two to play nice together :p thanks! |
| 22:32.52 | klaxian | joshteam: don't use dotdeb. i just went through that and had to revert back |
| 22:32.56 | Titan8990 | goose: remember to run `newaliases` |
| 22:33.07 | joshteam | klaxian: how do you reco i install php 5.3.2 then? |
| 22:33.08 | goose | er, wait. Titan8990, do I just change "root" to the email address for all the entires? |
| 22:33.12 | Titan8990 | joshteam: third party repos such as that are not really supported here |
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| 22:33.24 | joshteam | Titan8990: I understand - it's a prayer :-p |
| 22:33.41 | themill | joshteam: If I were you, I'd be happy that dotdeb didn't work out and stop while you still can.... |
| 22:33.41 | klaxian | joshteam: one (bad) idea is to enable debian testing repository and pull only the packages you need from there |
| 22:33.42 | Titan8990 | goose: man aliases; you can do whatever you want with it |
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| 22:33.50 | goose | ok, thanks Titan8990 |
| 22:34.05 | hayleyw | klaxian, that's a terrible idea |
| 22:34.05 | Titan8990 | !php5.3 |
| 22:34.06 | dpkg | [php5.3] You should have checked the <BTS> before you upgraded (ask me about <apt-listbugs>). Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download them from http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 22:34.11 | klaxian | hayleyw: i said it was bad |
| 22:34.24 | sander | jelly-home, do you know if there is any max limit on the size of mdadm raid5 arrays? |
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| 22:35.37 | sander | ...Or maybe the array becomes unstable if its very big..? |
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| 22:36.13 | Titan8990 | sander: I would *guess* its in the petrabytes... |
| 22:36.14 | jelly-home | sander: no idea, ask upstream? |
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| 22:37.02 | jelly-home | sander: RHEL guarantees either 8TB or 16TB-sized devices, no idea about Debian or vanilla kernel |
| 22:37.09 | joshteam | Titan8990: do you have a handy !command that gives me the nutshell on how to use these snapshots? -- I am pretty green |
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| 22:37.58 | joshteam | e.g. I want to install this jazz -> http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/5.3.2-1/ |
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| 22:38.35 | sander | jelly-home, ok.. thanks. |
| 22:38.51 | Titan8990 | !tell joshteam about ssb |
| 22:38.56 | joshteam | thx |
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| 22:39.09 | Titan8990 | joshteam: ssb would be the preferred method, however, I would not recommend it for something like php |
| 22:39.10 | themill | there's nothing simple about backporting php5.3 to lenny |
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| 22:39.50 | Titan8990 | themill: yeah, I figured he would be backport apache2 modules, possibly even apache itself along with it |
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| 22:39.55 | Titan8990 | to a pretty unstable point.... |
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| 22:40.31 | jelly-home | backporting apache2 probably isn't that big a deal (-; |
| 22:40.57 | jelly-home | also, is probably unneeded |
| 22:41.20 | themill | it's more that you hit lots of packages that have changed name since lenny (libjpeg etc). |
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| 22:41.44 | goose | how can I send myself a system email to test to see if my /etc/aliases are working? |
| 22:41.49 | jelly-home | meh, fixing debian/control isn't the hard part |
| 22:42.33 | jelly-home | goose: echo foo | mailx -s "test subject" yourmail@address.example.org |
| 22:42.45 | valdyn | goose: or the same as root |
| 22:43.08 | goose | well, I want to send the mail to /var/mail/, like I get when a cron job fails, someone fails sudo, etc |
| 22:43.22 | valdyn | goose: cronjob sends as root, same as you can do |
| 22:43.40 | valdyn | s/cronjob/cron/ |
| 22:43.55 | goose | right, but *how* do I send a mail to /var/mail/ |
| 22:44.06 | valdyn | goose: like jelly-home said |
| 22:44.14 | jelly-home | goose: use "username" as the email address |
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| 22:44.23 | goose | ah, okay |
| 22:44.25 | goose | thank you |
| 22:44.34 | valdyn | oo |
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| 22:44.39 | goose | also, how long should "newaliases" take to initialize? |
| 22:44.48 | jelly-home | immediately |
| 22:45.19 | jelly-home | (assuming the MTA is correctly configured) |
| 22:45.31 | klaxian | will PHP 5.3 ever make it to lenny or lenny-backports or will we have to wait for squeeze? |
| 22:45.34 | goose | oh, it was trying to do a DNS lookup on a non-existant host name is why |
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| 22:46.07 | Titan8990 | klaxian: squeeze, more than likely |
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| 22:46.24 | Titan8990 | remembers just last week people were swarming in to *remove* php5.3 |
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| 22:46.41 | klaxian | Titan8990: yah i know...but it fixes a memory leak issue |
| 22:46.43 | jelly-home | klaxian: stable almost never gets newer releases of software |
| 22:47.01 | klaxian | any idea when squeeze will be stable? |
| 22:47.04 | Titan8990 | klaxian: it also breaks many existing web applications, from what I have heard |
| 22:47.09 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 22:47.09 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 22:47.10 | goose | echo foo | mailx -s "test subject" root <--this just hangs for me :/ |
| 22:47.29 | klaxian | Titan8990: not ones written well ;) |
| 22:47.36 | valdyn | goose: sounds like your exim configuration is broken |
| 22:47.47 | valdyn | goose: or exim isnt running at all |
| 22:47.54 | Titan8990 | valdyn: hes using sendmail |
| 22:47.58 | jelly-home | goose: the first thing to do is naturally, "check your MTA logs" |
| 22:48.09 | acu | I updated squeeze and I have two extraoptions in grub - one is 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 (which is in the very top) and the other is 2.6.32-3trunk-amd64 why I have both ? Should I choolse the 2.62.32-3-trunk |
| 22:48.13 | valdyn | ok, i cant support sendmail at all |
| 22:48.19 | valdyn | Titan8990: why would he use that? |
| 22:48.31 | valdyn | goose: why would you be using sendmail? |
| 22:48.39 | jelly-home | because a dumb app said "you must have sendmail installed" |
| 22:48.44 | valdyn | haha |
| 22:48.44 | Titan8990 | valdyn: idk... I administer sendmail at work so its nothing new to me |
| 22:48.59 | goose | valdyn: because sendmail requires zero configuration, mainly |
| 22:49.01 | valdyn | Titan8990: doubt he has a reason |
| 22:49.12 | valdyn | goose: thats funny |
| 22:49.17 | Titan8990 | goose: thats the funiest thing i have heard all day |
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| 22:49.34 | goose | that's nice |
| 22:49.42 | Titan8990 | goose: sendmail is notorous for having lengthy, difficult, barely human-readable configuration |
| 22:49.45 | valdyn | goose: sendmail is a huge pile of convoluted cruft, calling it "easy" is at least ironic |
| 22:49.59 | goose | I just did apt-get install sendmail, and it seems to work, without me having to touch it |
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| 22:50.03 | Titan8990 | goose: they wrote macros to help configure sendmail at one point |
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| 22:50.11 | valdyn | goose: but mailx hangs |
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| 22:50.36 | Titan8990 | goose: thats probably because its just an open relay by default |
| 22:50.38 | valdyn | goose: this is probably a misconfiguration where the name lookup doesnt work, if you are lucky |
| 22:50.44 | goose | It works for me, I just want to see if I can get my /var/mail/ messages sent to my email, since I hardly ever look at them otherwise |
| 22:50.52 | Titan8990 | goose: if you just want to relay to a smarthost, you want something like ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 22:50.53 | acu | goose: you get hammered - this people like feathers :) - just go for Postfix - that is the very best of all :) |
| 22:51.20 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 22:51.20 | dpkg | qmail rulez! |
| 22:51.27 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 22:51.28 | valdyn | i suppose for the simple configus all 3 mta in debian ( exim,postfix,sendmail ) might be about the equivalent |
| 22:51.36 | Titan8990 | qmail is probably the only thing in existance worse than sendmail |
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| 22:51.57 | valdyn | qmail is a myth, its not funny |
| 22:52.24 | Titan8990 | valdyn: a friend asked me to help him set it up about a year ago.... I agreed |
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| 22:52.38 | isfranc | postfix is make for security, sendmail for send mail :) |
| 22:52.47 | jelly-home | qmail is nice when you have a C programmer to add the functionality you need |
| 22:52.55 | acu | postfix is the best :) everything else are deadly myths of love |
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| 22:53.20 | Titan8990 | acu: exim4 is the default MTA for debian |
| 22:53.20 | jelly-home | postfix needlessly screws with headers |
| 22:54.07 | acu | Titan8990, I noticed :) there are other few defaults which are not the best choices :) |
| 22:54.52 | isfranc | Titan8990: you work with sendmail, when i can recept a mail en send to a script, not a user |
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| 22:55.31 | Titan8990 | isfranc: a little hard to understand but maybe "milter" is the right answer? |
| 22:55.35 | xlotlu | how can i find out the paramaters a kernel module takes? |
| 22:55.45 | valdyn | xlotlu: with modinfo |
| 22:55.56 | isfranc | Titan8990: yes, later my english is more good :p |
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| 22:56.48 | isfranc | Titan8990: in aliases you can create a redirect to script, before i have make this |
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| 22:57.06 | xlotlu | umh. so there's nothing hiden. lm90 really doesn't take params anymore |
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| 22:57.23 | isfranc | Titan8990: for modification of virtusertable via mail :p |
| 22:58.15 | isfranc | Titan8990: now, i have idea to manage machine via mail |
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| 22:58.56 | hayleyw | isfranc, stop right there. dumbest idea you've ever had |
| 22:59.17 | valdyn | hayleyw: why? |
| 22:59.19 | botox2010 | fetches popcorn |
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| 22:59.25 | isfranc | hayleyw: wait i translate :) |
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| 23:00.40 | isfranc | hayleyw: no too much bad idea |
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| 23:01.02 | isfranc | hayleyw: but it must securised |
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| 23:01.32 | jelly-home | isfranc: it can be done, but... what's the use case there? |
| 23:01.56 | botox2010 | isfranc, you should desist only because debugging it is a PITA |
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| 23:02.10 | isfranc | jelly-home: you can send script, ask for some script resultat |
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| 23:03.06 | botox2010 | isfranc, it's much better to use a normal website with a specific service to do that, which a queue/poll mechanism |
| 23:03.12 | jelly-home | isfranc: I use SNMP or a web RPC API for that |
| 23:03.41 | jelly-home | isfranc: or, $DEITY forbid, ssh |
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| 23:04.02 | isfranc | ok but i have work with sendmail and postfix, i like smtp :p |
| 23:04.22 | isfranc | my first linux and solaris serveur sendmail :p |
| 23:04.45 | botox2010 | isfranc, but it's plain wrong |
| 23:04.52 | jelly-home | is this a hammernail fallacy? |
| 23:04.54 | botox2010 | isfranc, you wouldn't move 2 tons of rice with a bucket |
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| 23:05.05 | botox2010 | jelly, yeah |
| 23:05.11 | jelly-home | botox2010: it's not _plain_ wrong |
| 23:05.17 | valdyn | email for this is neat |
| 23:05.40 | valdyn | botox2010: why the hell would it be hard to debug? |
| 23:05.50 | botox2010 | jelly, for me, it is |
| 23:06.06 | jelly-home | if one can manage mailing lists with mail commands, why not a smtp service |
| 23:06.14 | botox2010 | valdyn, because of the wary encapsulation protocol (SMTP) |
| 23:06.24 | valdyn | botox2010: uh? |
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| 23:06.52 | jelly-home | botox2010: it's not worse than SNMP's default UDP. |
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| 23:07.13 | botox2010 | valdyn, jelly-home ok..maybe just looks very uneasy to me |
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| 23:07.27 | isfranc | manage unix server by outlouk express on win95, a good idea :p |
| 23:07.41 | valdyn | botox2010: its good when you dont need immediate response and dont have an ssh client everywhere but have mail |
| 23:07.51 | botox2010 | valdyn, why mail and not HTTP service? |
| 23:08.03 | amphi | isfranc: you retain the element of surprise, for sure |
| 23:08.05 | botox2010 | HTTP allows better authentication |
| 23:08.06 | jelly-home | those are merely implementation details, I just wondered about isfranc's having a real life situation where this would be useful |
| 23:08.07 | valdyn | botox2010: because mail has no lag for the user |
| 23:08.10 | joshteam | so, basically there is no -easy- way of installing php 5.3 on debian? :/ |
| 23:08.24 | valdyn | botox2010: can be faster |
| 23:08.25 | themill | joshteam: php5.3 is still a horribly broken mess, so no. |
| 23:08.32 | botox2010 | valdyn, I receive notifications for updates, but I don't tell the server to make updates via email |
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| 23:08.43 | botox2010 | valdyn, ok but the authentication/authorization part? |
| 23:08.45 | joshteam | themill: :/ what makes you say that? |
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| 23:09.07 | joshteam | 5.3 much cleaner than 5.2- |
| 23:09.11 | joshteam | not to mention faster |
| 23:09.14 | jelly-home | joshteam: the horde of squeeze users with broken apps trying to fall back to 5.2 |
| 23:09.18 | User_007 | Hello guys, i am having some problems on Squeeze AMD64. Some time ago, when i need to mount a ntfs partition, it just ask me the root password. But now i get this error message: Hello guys, i am having some problems on |
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| 23:09.20 | valdyn | botox2010: if he can write a script he can encrypt and decrypt too |
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| 23:09.37 | User_007 | this error: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 23:09.37 | joshteam | jelly-home: typically shyt code tbh |
| 23:09.38 | twiggz | im a squeeze user and never have fallen back. |
| 23:09.40 | User_007 | mount: only root can mount /dev/sda2 on /media/SQ004681V03 |
| 23:09.41 | botox2010 | valdyn, yeah - and that would be faster and more usable than HTTP? outlook for sure... |
| 23:09.57 | jelly-home | joshteam: well duh! PHP! |
| 23:10.03 | joshteam | jelly-home: we agree on something :) |
| 23:10.04 | Titan8990 | User_007: did you try as root? |
| 23:10.09 | valdyn | botox2010: mail is asynchronous, http is not |
| 23:10.39 | User_007 | Titan8990, it really works if i do it as root |
| 23:10.53 | User_007 | but it's not cool as an window that just ask me the password |
| 23:10.57 | botox2010 | valdyn, security is more important that asynchronous commodities |
| 23:11.03 | botox2010 | *than |
| 23:11.07 | isfranc | valdyn: botox2010 http is expansive on my gsm, mail option no :) |
| 23:11.09 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 23:11.10 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:11.10 | valdyn | botox2010: security is up to his implementation |
| 23:11.21 | Titan8990 | User_007: have a look at the bts |
| 23:11.25 | valdyn | isfranc: and http is way slow on gsm |
| 23:11.55 | botox2010 | valdyn, ok valdyn, so server management via email is a great idea because we will ignore that its implementation of security is UTOPIA. is that ok? |
| 23:12.00 | valdyn | i bet some people do this via sms too |
| 23:12.10 | valdyn | botox2010: you dont know that |
| 23:12.32 | joshteam | So what's the disadvantage of using something like dotdeb and adding the repo to my list? |
| 23:12.56 | botox2010 | valdyn, I *know* that emails, being absolutely state-less, allow no authentication |
| 23:13.02 | valdyn | joshteam: dotdeb is unsupported and dangerous |
| 23:13.02 | jelly-home | joshteam: no semblance of support that Debian provides |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | joshteam: the dotdeb packages are usually broken and do bad things to your system |
| 23:13.25 | joshteam | Debian doesn't support php 5.3 yet though either, right? |
| 23:13.35 | valdyn | botox2010: youre thinking to short, *I* can have whatever encrypted content in an email that only one recpipient of my choice can decrypt |
| 23:13.35 | abrotman | not in lenny |
| 23:13.59 | joshteam | abrotman: so, to use 5.3.2 I'll have to do something unsupported? |
| 23:14.20 | abrotman | joshteam: if you feel you need to have it for some reason |
| 23:14.34 | joshteam | abrotman: the code coming through the pipe requires 5.3.2 |
| 23:14.35 | isfranc | for a latex, a compil need for generate documentation, only on way big dl 500/700 Mo ? |
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| 23:14.46 | abrotman | joshteam: which pipe? from the developer team? |
| 23:14.50 | joshteam | abrotman: yes |
| 23:14.51 | themill | joshteam: it really does? Which monkey did that? |
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| 23:14.55 | valdyn | asg: latex is huge |
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| 23:15.02 | joshteam | themill: :/ amen. |
| 23:15.06 | abrotman | joshteam: is it your company? tell them they need to target 5.2.x or whatever is in lenny |
| 23:15.11 | valdyn | ops |
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| 23:15.15 | valdyn | isfranc: latex is huge |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | joshteam: tell them if they go beyond that, it will not function |
| 23:15.44 | isfranc | valdyn: no other way great dl |
| 23:15.50 | isfranc | ? |
| 23:16.10 | valdyn | isfranc: most of the stuff is probably not needed, you could handpick packages, but thats also tedious |
| 23:16.16 | themill | isfranc: you shouldn't need to download that much for a simple document unless it uses a lot of strange fonts or unusual packages |
| 23:17.01 | isfranc | valdyn: themill ok |
| 23:17.07 | valdyn | isfranc: iirc texlive pulls a huge bunch of internationalisation crap you wont need, but again, finding the individual packaets you need is probably not worth the effort |
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| 23:17.36 | isfranc | package is texlive |
| 23:18.20 | \amethyst | 'texlive' itself doesn't pull in all the internationalization, that's texlive-full or texlive-lang-all |
| 23:18.35 | valdyn | I see |
| 23:18.44 | Titan8990 | looks like emacs has latex-mode |
| 23:18.51 | valdyn | isfranc: and just texlive is how much? |
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| 23:18.59 | valdyn | Titan8990: probably mroe than one ;) |
| 23:19.25 | \amethyst | that said, texlive does pull in over 50MB of packages and fonts |
| 23:19.44 | Bohemian | can someone help me? i'm trying the patch -p1 command and i'm getting the follow error: http://pastebin.com/QwhtiajN -- i know i have written the right file |
| 23:19.45 | \amethyst | texlive-latex-base might be enough for your needs |
| 23:20.00 | Bohemian | i'm trying to patch the grsecurity patch to a linux kernel... |
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| 23:20.05 | \amethyst | the package descriptions list which TeX packages each Debian package contains |
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| 23:20.15 | valdyn | Bohemian: you need -p3 |
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| 23:20.22 | Bohemian | thank you |
| 23:20.25 | \amethyst | err |
| 23:20.30 | \amethyst | wouldn't you need -p0 ? |
| 23:20.32 | isfranc | valdyn: texlive on my debian is 409 M |
| 23:20.37 | valdyn | Bohemian: hah, nevermind |
| 23:20.43 | themill | linux-2.4.37.7? |
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| 23:20.54 | \amethyst | Bohemian: do you have a linux-2.4.37.7 directory? |
| 23:21.04 | goose | The answer to how do you forward mail from /var/mail/ to an outside email address, REGARDLESS of your mta: echo "your@email.com" > ~/.forward |
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| 23:21.23 | Bohemian | \amethyst: no that's what's weird, i downloaded linux-2.6.33.1 |
| 23:21.26 | Bohemian | -p0 didn't work |
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| 23:21.34 | \amethyst | Bohemian: that patch isn't going to apply against 2.6.33 |
| 23:21.35 | valdyn | Bohemian: -p1 is right |
| 23:21.53 | \amethyst | it would be -p1 if you're sitting in the linux source directory |
| 23:22.07 | \amethyst | oh, /var/src/linux |
| 23:22.11 | Titan8990 | goose: forward is just the user writable alias... I think its covered in the aliases manual |
| 23:22.12 | \amethyst | sorry, I was expecting a version number |
| 23:22.19 | Bohemian | i downloaded from kernel.org, and from grsecurity.net |
| 23:22.29 | Bohemian | \amethyst: why does it have to be in /usr/src ? |
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| 23:22.42 | \amethyst | Bohemian: it doesn't have to be |
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| 23:22.47 | Bohemian | okay |
| 23:22.51 | \amethyst | Bohemian: you have the wrong version of grlinux |
| 23:22.54 | valdyn | Bohemian: youre trying to use a 2.4 kernel patch on which kernel version? |
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| 23:23.06 | jelly-home | Bohemian: use the exact version of vanilla kernel that grsec patch works against. If the patch is for 2.6.33, then by all means, get 2.6.33 and not 2.6.33.1 |
| 23:23.21 | \amethyst | Bohemian: you need 2.1.14-2.6.33 and linux 2.6.33 |
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| 23:23.40 | Bohemian | ooooh |
| 23:23.45 | Bohemian | thanks |
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| 23:25.33 | Bohemian | that was very frustrating |
| 23:25.36 | Bohemian | tyvm |
| 23:26.04 | isfranc | when amd phenom get fire ? i have +4 ghz :) |
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| 23:27.02 | Bohemian | always the little things |
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| 23:27.28 | valdyn | isfranc: as soon as you actually use all cores fully? |
| 23:27.37 | bikcmp | Hi, I'm geting DDoSed on my debian 5 server. Any tips? |
| 23:27.48 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 23:27.49 | dpkg | i heard vagueness is something which makes baby penguins cry. If an action gives you unexpected results, avoid being vague about the action or its results. If using pronouns, make sure their antecedent is clear. If asking about stuff which "gives you an error", "fails" or "doesn't work", please include a crystall ball in your message. |
| 23:27.52 | valdyn | bikcmp: ^^ |
| 23:27.55 | isfranc | valdyn no i think |
| 23:28.04 | bikcmp | valdyn: hm? |
| 23:28.06 | bikcmp | oh, I get it. |
| 23:28.07 | bikcmp | :P |
| 23:28.24 | man_in_shack | bikcmp, drop the offending clients in iptables |
| 23:28.41 | bikcmp | man_in_shack: I'm not very firmular with iptables; what would be the proper command for it? |
| 23:28.52 | man_in_shack | man iptables is always a good start |
| 23:28.57 | valdyn | may let him tell us the actual problem first |
| 23:29.02 | bikcmp | Knew you were going to tell me that |
| 23:29.03 | bikcmp | haha |
| 23:29.20 | hayleyw | bikcmp, /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP |
| 23:29.22 | bikcmp | Well, I really have no clue what the ddos is, other than I run a IRCd on the host. |
| 23:29.23 | man_in_shack | well, you shouldn't have a server capable of being DDoS'd if you don't know how to configure your firewall |
| 23:29.27 | isfranc | only my xen unstable compilation have kill my system :), now i have squeeze |
| 23:29.34 | valdyn | man_in_shack: please |
| 23:29.43 | man_in_shack | valdyn, it's a valid point |
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| 23:29.56 | valdyn | man_in_shack: not all doses can be protected against locally |
| 23:30.03 | bikcmp | valdyn: Very true. |
| 23:30.14 | bikcmp | My host was having issues with it lol, so it's a pretty big on |
| 23:30.16 | bikcmp | e |
| 23:30.21 | valdyn | ...which is why i asked what the actual problem is |
| 23:30.41 | bikcmp | I have no clue sadly, I'm not firmular with iptables and unix firewalls. |
| 23:30.48 | valdyn | bikcmp: so maybe you cant do anything if your provider even has issues its your provider that needs to call *his* upstream |
| 23:31.06 | bikcmp | I have; they have upp'ed my bandwidth, and still having issues. |
| 23:31.15 | bikcmp | It's at 5 GB/s now, so that's a major issue. |
| 23:31.27 | hayleyw | bikcmp, so do as i said |
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| 23:31.30 | valdyn | bikcmp: what kind of traffic? |
| 23:31.40 | bikcmp | valdyn: I have no clue at all. |
| 23:31.48 | jhutchins_lt | bikcmp: What's your upstream? |
| 23:31.50 | bikcmp | I've taken steps to avoid it as well. |
| 23:31.57 | bikcmp | jhutchins_lt: 5000 MB/s |
| 23:32.03 | valdyn | bikcmp: sounds like you dont even know with certainty that its a dos then |
| 23:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | bikcmp: Both directions? |
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| 23:32.11 | bikcmp | jhutchins_lt: Yes. |
| 23:32.31 | bikcmp | and I'm sure it's a ddos valdyn, it's a very, VERY large botnet. |
| 23:32.40 | bikcmp | As in the kinda botnet that attacks freenode. |
| 23:32.42 | valdyn | i dont get it |
| 23:32.50 | hayleyw | sigh |
| 23:32.56 | valdyn | someone having to admin 5GB / sec node shouldnt need to come here at all |
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| 23:33.27 | bikcmp | Sorry, I'm actually pretty good with this stuff, just never did unix firewalls before. |
| 23:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | bikcmp: You can use tools like fail2ban or a script like shorewall to ban IP's you catch in the logs. |
| 23:33.48 | abrotman | hands valdyn a desk |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | except that doesn't help your system .. the traffic is already at the node |
| 23:34.09 | hayleyw | or use the command i told him to use to block ips. if he would listen |
| 23:34.11 | bikcmp | hmm. |
| 23:34.22 | bikcmp | hayleyw: I am lisening, don't worry about that haha |
| 23:34.27 | bikcmp | I'm also googling at the same time. |
| 23:34.35 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It can help if the packets are dropped rather than having to respond with a 404 or whatever. |
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| 23:34.43 | bikcmp | jhutchins_lt: It's not a webserver |
| 23:34.50 | bikcmp | It's a IRCd server; that's it |
| 23:34.51 | hayleyw | bikcmp, http://deflate.medialayer.com/ |
| 23:34.52 | bikcmp | no web server |
| 23:34.57 | jhutchins_lt | See "...or whatever". |
| 23:35.06 | bikcmp | hayleyw: That was EXACTLY what I needed. |
| 23:35.08 | bikcmp | Thanks. |
| 23:35.08 | abrotman | if he's really getting hit that hard .. is it really able to keep up to send a response? |
| 23:35.17 | valdyn | this doesnt make sense |
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| 23:35.28 | valdyn | an irc server doesnt even have a network card for that kind of traffic |
| 23:35.42 | gloin | Quick question: I've got xorg (sort of) running on a very minimal Lenny install, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't offer a choice of screen resolutions and for that matter I can't seem to get anything other than 800x600. Any hints? Am thinking the dpkg-reconfigure thing is probably a clue to something... |
| 23:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | Which is why some sort of script that doesn't accept packets from bad nodes could help. |
| 23:35.52 | abrotman | gloin: xrandr |
| 23:36.02 | gloin | abrotman: yes, I have it |
| 23:36.09 | User_007 | BTS haven't worked. I think the problem is something like a there are no more sudo window on mounting |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | gloin: use it .. |
| 23:36.17 | bikcmp | valdyn: It's a server I got :p |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | gloin: what is your video card? |
| 23:36.31 | bikcmp | hayleyw: ./install.sh: line 29: less: command not found |
| 23:36.31 | gloin | abrotman: it's a vmware guest |
| 23:36.32 | bikcmp | :( |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | gloin: did you install vmwaretools orwhatever it is ? |
| 23:36.43 | hayleyw | bikcmp, you really cant figure that one out? |
| 23:36.48 | User_007 | when i need to do somethink i need su privilegies, it shows a |
| 23:36.53 | bikcmp | done apt-cache search list |
| 23:36.56 | gloin | abrotman: no, but it seems to be loading the vmware driver |
| 23:36.57 | jhutchins_lt | gloin: vmware may only be offering that resolution to the vm. |
| 23:37.12 | User_007 | GUI that get the root password |
| 23:37.14 | gloin | and at any rate, I get the same result with framebuffer |
| 23:37.23 | abrotman | gloin: i don't use X on vmware things .. but i'd imagine that oyu need the vmware tools .. it seems that way for windows guests |
| 23:37.29 | gloin | alas |
| 23:37.34 | bikcmp | hayleyw: And that... had quite a lot of results |
| 23:37.36 | bikcmp | lol |
| 23:37.46 | gloin | oh well - was hoping to use vmware to prototype for a thinterm image |
| 23:37.49 | jhutchins_lt | gloin: You're not on real hardware, you're on whatever vmware is emulating to that window, which is probably where the resolution is coming from. |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | YHBT ? |
| 23:37.55 | Titan8990 | User_007: gksu or consolekit |
| 23:37.58 | amphi | User_007: you want something like gksudo? |
| 23:38.05 | abrotman | gloin: ask #vmware if oyu need the vmware tools to get a higher resolution |
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| 23:38.14 | gloin | thx all |
| 23:38.15 | hayleyw | bikcmp, apt-get install less |
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| 23:38.30 | abrotman | 5GB line, can't figure out iptables, can't find less .. |
| 23:38.45 | bikcmp | I see my issue. :P I did list rather than less. |
| 23:38.48 | User_007 | Titan8990, amphi , yes, gksu every time appears to get the root password, but not anymore for mounting |
| 23:39.15 | User_007 | Titan8990, amphi , there is any way to re-enable it? |
| 23:39.32 | Titan8990 | User_007: check for bugs with gksudo, nautilus, and consolekit. your using testing |
| 23:39.43 | User_007 | ok |
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| 23:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | "I'm using the release that's supposed to test for breakage ... it's broken!!!" |
| 23:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | OMG! |
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| 23:45.54 | isfranc | valdyn: have a soft for stress my quad core ? |
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| 23:47.03 | jelly-home | isfranc: build kernels with a large enough -j make option for 24-48 hours? |
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| 23:47.43 | isfranc | stress exist :) |
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| 23:49.29 | valdyn | isfranc: gcc is an excellent tool to find issues, before something crashes |
| 23:49.48 | valdyn | isfranc: "internal compiler error" is normally a hardware defect |
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| 23:50.11 | isfranc | valdyn ok, i do for install again xen unstable and kernel configure |
| 23:50.39 | isfranc | valdyn ok |
| 23:52.46 | User_007 | Titan8990, i haven't fond anything |
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| 23:52.52 | User_007 | found* |
| 23:54.11 | User_007 | Titan8990, gksu is working for another things like gdebi. I think it must be some config file i need to change to get it working well |
| 23:57.09 | macrobat | User_007: have you tried gksudo? |
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| 23:58.41 | macrobat | I can no longer lower mouse sensitivity with the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi file http://paste.debian.net/64545/ |
| 23:59.05 | macrobat | is that because hal is being deprecated? i'm on sid |
| 23:59.28 | User_007 | if i do gksu ... mount ... on console, it works |
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| 23:59.47 | Titan8990 | judd: versions xorg |
| 23:59.49 | judd | xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+3; sid: 1:7.5+5 |
