| 00:00.19 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten kinda hooked on compositing, not using compiz anymore (i swear it crashed X every week) but just metacity with compositing enable so a few other apps that require it can run, seemed like it would take a lot of work to get that working with something else |
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| 00:03.02 | bif_5050 | what do you run that requires it? |
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| 00:06.34 | MoMo | jelly-home when i restart my node and then reboot ... i have to redo the mkdir /dev/pts command and then rerun that script ... is there a way to have this happen at boot? |
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| 00:07.46 | Arrowmaster | bif_5050: awm, its an osx like task manager, got so used to it while i was playing with compiz that im still using it |
| 00:08.49 | jelly-home | MoMo: you'll have to figure out why the aforementioned init script doesn't do it |
| 00:08.53 | Arrowmaster | MoMo: yes the /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh is supposed to do that, why is it failing? |
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| 00:09.17 | MoMo | not sure how i would go about finding out |
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| 00:09.41 | jelly-home | inspect the boot output, for starters |
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| 00:09.58 | MoMo | again not sure how to get ahold of that |
| 00:10.10 | Arrowmaster | are these headless machines too? |
| 00:10.16 | MoMo | yes |
| 00:10.28 | MoMo | 11 diskless nodes 1 headnode |
| 00:10.29 | jelly-home | MoMo: remove any "quite" boot parameter if there; configure bootlogd |
| 00:10.37 | jelly-home | quiet* |
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| 00:10.42 | jelly-home | !bootlog |
| 00:10.43 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 00:11.03 | jelly-home | -> bed |
| 00:11.12 | MoMo | night thank you for your help |
| 00:11.18 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 00:18.09 | CryptoMole | hi all |
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| 00:18.46 | DeathWolf | when apt-get upgrade'ing it tried to install a newer udev which is not compatible with my kernel, what's the latest version that does not need CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED disabled and how do I go back to it? |
| 00:18.59 | DeathWolf | mmmm error message seems 149 |
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| 00:19.43 | DeathWolf | where do I get udev 149? |
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| 00:20.22 | wad | Arrowmaster, I looked in dmesg, and it says that it can see the drive that's attached to that SATA controller! I'm thinking that all I need to do is convince the OS to stick it to something in /dev, and I'll be all happy.... got any ideas? (Look here for the output of dmesg, scroll all the way down: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/how-to-access-sata-drives-attached-to-sii3124-719408/?posted=1#post3906946) |
| 00:20.44 | adb | !tell DeathWolf -about sdo |
| 00:20.57 | DeathWolf | awesome |
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| 00:23.26 | DeathWolf | thanks adb |
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| 00:24.05 | CryptoMole | hey all can someone help me with understanding how the differnt lib work if I try to compile xmmms from source? |
| 00:24.21 | wad | I've got a SATA drive attached to a PCI SATA controller card. Looking in dmesg, Debian can see the drive, but it won't put it into /proc/partitions for me. Any ideas? |
| 00:24.41 | adb | DeathWolf, yw |
| 00:25.31 | karlpinc_ | How would I look at the patch associated with a closed bug? Bug#552029 |
| 00:25.54 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc_: bugs.debian.org/552029 |
| 00:26.05 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 00:26.15 | karlpinc_ | wad: Does the drive have partitions on it? |
| 00:26.36 | karlpinc_ | wad: (Just thinking out loud. I've no clue vis your problem.) |
| 00:26.41 | CryptoMole | I want to learn how to build packages from source under debian |
| 00:27.07 | wad | karlpinc_, yes, it's got a partition. |
| 00:27.15 | karlpinc_ | CryptoMole: There should be docs on debian.org. |
| 00:27.29 | babilen | CryptoMole: Read the new maintainers guide and learn the dh_ tools |
| 00:27.29 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 00:27.33 | babilen | !tell CryptoMole -about nmg |
| 00:27.46 | babilen | CryptoMole: Start with dh_make ;) |
| 00:28.13 | CryptoMole | what is dh_make |
| 00:28.16 | wad | It's actually part of an md raid. There were 5 drives on my fileserver that died, I've moved them to a different box, so I can re-form the RAID, but I can't get the new box to give me the drive that's on the PCI SATA controller. |
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| 00:28.56 | babilen | CryptoMole: It's a tool for the initial "debianisation" of a tarball |
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| 00:29.07 | babilen | CryptoMole: Honestly: Read the NMG |
| 00:29.09 | CryptoMole | aw |
| 00:29.15 | RethinkTobacco | Hello again. |
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| 00:29.28 | widmo | hi |
| 00:29.29 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: No patch, at least not with the closing message or any other than the first. I sent a patch in with the bug, but want to see what was done to resolve the bug. There could be other solutions. |
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| 00:30.17 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: (Unless I'm braindead, which is possible.) |
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| 00:32.07 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc_: if there isn't one posted to the bug report (doesn't appear to be in this case) you run interdiff on the diff.gz to see what was changed. |
| 00:32.15 | wad | dmesg shows my drive is seen by the OS (http://pastebin.com/vUYcuE5K), but I can't find it under /proc/partitions. Does anyone know how to make it appear? |
| 00:32.39 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I'll give it a go. |
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| 00:33.38 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc_: in this case, it'll be even easier, because that package is maintained in subversion, so you can just look at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-sysvinit/?op=comp& |
| 00:33.48 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not useful |
| 00:34.23 | dondelelcaro | anyway, you want to compare revision 1833 and 1834 |
| 00:34.35 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: Will do. |
| 00:36.06 | karlpinc_ | wad: You said there were 5 drives. I see only 4. The missing one is dead? Does sfdisk -l say the partition table is there (or fdisk or whatever)? |
| 00:36.13 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc_: svn diff svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-sysvinit -r1833:1834; may be even easier... |
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| 00:36.21 | CryptoMole | hey all the package I want to do from source is xmms |
| 00:36.34 | CryptoMole | which uses the older lib |
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| 00:37.04 | wad | karlpinc_, there are 8 SATA connections in this system, four on the motherboard, and four on the PCI SATA controller card. The mobo ones are fine. The one you see in that pastebin is the one on the controller card, which doesn't show up in /proc/partitions. |
| 00:37.23 | wad | karlpinc_, I'll try sfdisk -l, 1 sec. |
| 00:39.46 | wad | karlpinc_, fdisk -l can't see that drive. It shows the other drives just fine. The only place that the OS seems to be able to see it is there in dmesg (http://pastebin.com/vUYcuE5K) |
| 00:39.58 | wad | sfdisk -l doesn't see it either. |
| 00:40.22 | wad | This is the problem I've been hammering against for the past three hours. *sigh* |
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| 00:43.46 | karlpinc_ | dondelelcaro: Cool. Looks like they took my patch. :) |
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| 00:47.19 | karlpinc_ | wad: Can't think. Too tired. Sorry. Maybe look into a problem with the controller card/driver/etc.? |
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| 00:47.31 | wad | karlpinc_, get some sleep, buddy. ;) |
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| 00:54.16 | WaterRatj | Is their a way to backup a complete debian distro to put on a harddrive? |
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| 00:58.10 | widmo | WaterRatj: try tar |
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| 00:59.01 | johni | widmo, how come? |
| 01:00.41 | johni | WaterRatj, dd or rsync might help you depending on what you want to do |
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| 01:18.57 | bif_5050 | w00t keychain |
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| 01:23.41 | moes | ! vnc |
| 01:23.41 | dpkg | [vnc] Virtual Network Computing, a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include tightvncserver, vnc4server and x11vnc; "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer http://realvnc.com/support/faq.html |
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| 01:35.39 | moes | ! wine |
| 01:35.39 | dpkg | [wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
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| 01:43.38 | nvz | moes: please /msg the bot if you are looking for information. |
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| 01:44.57 | nvz | moes: also if you are looking to run windows applications I have crossover pro/games |
| 01:45.45 | nvz | Idk if its technically legal to redistribute but they were giving it away for free a while back for their lameduck presidential challenge |
| 01:46.31 | Hydroxide | nvz: if you're referring to Crossover, no it's not legal to redistribute |
| 01:47.02 | nvz | Hydroxide: didn't figure, but I've been letting my clients who need it, use it.. just the versions they were giving away for free though |
| 01:47.03 | themill | nvz: and "a while back" means 18 months ago |
| 01:47.15 | nvz | I didn't quite recall when it was |
| 01:47.27 | nvz | just know I took the opportunity to download it and give it a try |
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| 01:47.40 | Hydroxide | nvz: that's still not legal, but in any case, how does this relate to #debian? |
| 01:48.12 | nvz | It doesn't I suppose. |
| 01:48.39 | moes | not wanting anything illegal what do you suggest I use |
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| 01:49.31 | nvz | I've been just using windows in VirtualBox myself, works better than anything else.. but it all depends on what you're trying to do and if you're willing to pay or own a copy of windows.. |
| 01:49.51 | nvz | My Thinkpad crapped out, and I installed the XP pro I had on there in vbox |
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| 01:50.43 | nvz | not that I used it on there anyhow, I had debian on it.. heh.. so the liscense for WinXP Pro was just being wasted |
| 01:50.56 | Vasistha | moes: what's the need? |
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| 01:51.34 | moes | I have a PC with Window XP on one hard drive and Debian Lenny on another I want to access Windows from Lenny |
| 01:52.26 | nvz | moes: ah, well vbox can technically use an installed copy of windows on a hard disk, but its said to be quirky |
| 01:53.03 | nvz | if it were me, and debian works well (supports all hardware) I'd wipe out the windows drive and reformat it with a linux FS, and just install the copy of windows inside a virtual disk |
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| 01:55.21 | nvz | thats actually what I'm in the process of doing on my netbook right now.. wiping out the XP partition to reclaim the space |
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| 01:57.36 | nvz | moes: though to actually run XP inside something like VirtualBox, you need to have enough ram to run two OSes side by side. |
| 01:58.44 | nvz | seems to take at least 1gb to run Debian stable and XP as a guest without SEVERE lag. |
| 01:59.26 | moes | nvz...Debian Lenny no problems have 2 gb of ram ...Windows copy is oem and I have sata drives ..which is seven hells to install |
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| 02:00.12 | unkmar | my laptop clock keeps going wrong. Any ideas how to fix this apparent bug? |
| 02:00.21 | nvz | well inside virtual box the actual hardware is irrelevant |
| 02:00.29 | nvz | unkmar: do you dual boot? |
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| 02:00.37 | Vasistha | moes: yeah but when you install windows in virtualbox, virtualbox makes it look to windows like you have very easy standard hardware |
| 02:01.02 | Vasistha | moes: if you install windows in virtualbox the device drivers will all be autodetected easily |
| 02:01.12 | unkmar | nvz: my clock keeps going wrong by 1 hour and I am five hours from UTC and use UTC and do not make USE of my dual boot. |
| 02:01.30 | nvz | I would highly recommend using the latest VirtualBox, not the VirtualBox OSE in Lenny though if you go that route.. cause its WAY outdated |
| 02:01.37 | unkmar | well, I am NY time. |
| 02:01.42 | nvz | and the OSE versions do not support USB |
| 02:02.03 | Vasistha | unkmar: are you sure you have the proper time zone setting? try tzconfig |
| 02:02.37 | nvz | unkmar: ah, well the issue is common when dual booting, if you have both OSes trying to set the clock. But if its doing it even when not booting the other OS, then maybe you need some form of NTP |
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| 02:03.08 | nvz | I don't recall if its USE or DO NOT USE gmt in linux when dual booting.. heh |
| 02:03.41 | Vasistha | when dual booting windows, one must use local time rather than utc, because windows can only use local time |
| 02:04.20 | unkmar | nvz: I have used msntp and ntpdate at different times to properly set the time. but it will go wrong at some later time. I'm not sure when cause I don't watch it constantly. |
| 02:05.05 | nvz | unkmar: ntpdate only sets the time when it actually runs.. ntpd on the other hand corrects clock drift slowly and constantly |
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| 02:05.33 | unkmar | nvz: but not by a very precise hour. |
| 02:06.03 | unkmar | It isn't sliding ahead, it is *leaping* ahead an hour because it darn well feels like it. |
| 02:06.27 | nvz | unkmar: well does "date" say EDT? |
| 02:06.33 | Vasistha | unkmar: in that case I'm still suspicious of a misconfigured time zone |
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| 02:08.28 | Lonely-Troll | hi |
| 02:08.40 | moes | nvz..Vasistha...thanks for the info |
| 02:08.51 | Vasistha | sure |
| 02:08.55 | Lonely-Troll | yeap |
| 02:09.31 | Lonely-Troll | wazzup guys |
| 02:10.19 | unkmar | Vasistha: maybe. Not sure. |
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| 02:10.25 | Lonely-Troll | I am not too |
| 02:10.48 | elky | themill? |
| 02:10.55 | Lonely-Troll | unkmarWhy you are not sure? |
| 02:11.06 | Lonely-Troll | themill? = ? |
| 02:11.19 | Vasistha | !ops Lonely-Troll ... nick says it all |
| 02:11.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vasistha complains about: Lonely-Troll ... nick says it all |
| 02:11.31 | mentor | Feel our wrath |
| 02:11.41 | Vasistha | I think that must have come from another channel |
| 02:11.45 | nvz | mentor: ;) |
| 02:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, we got auto-kline now |
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| 02:12.31 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: seriously? I have not done any homework on the new code base.. |
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| 02:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course not... |
| 02:13.40 | nvz | ah, was wondering what the hell the criteria would be for such a thing |
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| 02:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... !ops nick -> kline... easy ;) |
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| 02:15.07 | Moorea | Hi guys, I have this screen problem (Input signal out of range , change setting to 1440*90 60Hz) any hints please ? |
| 02:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | *90? |
| 02:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, your monitor can't do it |
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| 02:15.59 | Moorea | sorry 900 |
| 02:16.00 | Moorea | :) |
| 02:16.03 | Lonely-Troll | I am scared |
| 02:16.28 | Lonely-Troll | ..or not |
| 02:16.31 | Lonely-Troll | :-D |
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| 02:17.12 | Lonely-Troll | Moorea Were are you from? |
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| 02:18.12 | Moorea | Lonely-Troll I dont see in what is my geo location important ! |
| 02:18.33 | Lonely-Troll | Moorea Yeap.. What is your favorite color? |
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| 02:19.15 | Moorea | Lonely-Troll ! |
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| 02:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | try 1440*900 50Hz - this must be an lcd... look up its specs |
| 02:19.30 | Lonely-Troll | Moorea What? |
| 02:19.41 | Lonely-Troll | ! - it is not a color |
| 02:19.41 | dpkg | Lonely-Troll: what are you talking about? |
| 02:20.04 | Lonely-Troll | dpkg I dont see in what is my subject important ! |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | Lonely-Troll: what are you talking about? |
| 02:20.30 | Moorea | you are right CuteMe its an lcd |
| 02:20.58 | Moorea | I want to know how to change the debian display boot settings |
| 02:20.59 | Moorea | please ! |
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| 02:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're getting this for the text at boot? |
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| 02:22.41 | Lonely-Troll | I cant decide, what I like more the debian or gentoo |
| 02:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds unusual... |
| 02:22.43 | Moorea | I want to find a way to make my linux uses those settings , is it that difficult ? |
| 02:22.59 | Lonely-Troll | Moorea It depends.. |
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| 02:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you haven't actually described what happens when |
| 02:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I used up my psychic abilities for this week |
| 02:23.30 | Lonely-Troll | CutMeOwnThroat +1 |
| 02:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... yes... difficult |
| 02:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor? |
| 02:24.52 | Lonely-Troll | Moorea I could ask my friends from planet Pandora, if you want |
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| 02:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you read my mind... thanks |
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| 02:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that the range? |
| 02:25.42 | dserban | Ok, I've asked about this more than once and can't find why this happens. When a non-root filesystem is using JFS, upon an unforseen system crash or power-loss, debian will not run fsck on the system to run the journal check. Do I need to configure something to have this happen automatically? |
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| 02:27.32 | \amethyst | dserban: what's the sixth field in fstab for that filesystem? |
| 02:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor, how about "nzxcfkxdn@*"? (he seems to keep that part) |
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| 02:28.08 | \amethyst | dserban: the 'pass' value, that is. It should be 2 for a non-root filesystem that should be fscked on boot |
| 02:28.34 | dserban | \amethyst, Oh really? Hmm it's set to zero :( |
| 02:28.42 | dserban | I guess that's my problem... crrrap. |
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| 02:29.29 | \amethyst | 0 means not to fsck, which for some fses (those that replay the journal on mount) might be okay... I don't know about JFS |
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| 02:30.01 | dserban | \amethyst, thanks, I'll see if that works next time. |
| 02:30.18 | dserban | meanwhile I'll man fstab again to understand those settings better. Appreciate ti |
| 02:30.36 | dserban | it*. Funny, though I've always thought it was just broken heh. |
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| 02:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so does mine, they're all actually set to 0 |
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| 02:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, but then they're all reiser - that replays on mount and fsck only does weird stuff |
| 02:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I think |
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| 02:36.46 | macrobat | Moorea: is this what you mean? http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
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| 02:37.48 | macrobat | Moorea: or do you use a framebuffer? |
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| 02:42.20 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i know debian and ubuntu are two separate flavours of linux but i was wondering how come ubuntu releases newer version of linux and debian releases every few years? |
| 02:43.59 | macrobat | debian comes in flavours: oldstable, vanilla stable, testing and unstable |
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| 02:47.34 | paranoidphreak | macrobat: so, in order to get the latest packages, i gotta use unstable or testing? |
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| 02:48.02 | paranoidphreak | macrobat: thanks for the info |
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| 02:48.32 | rudi_s__ | paranoidphreak: If you want the latest packages don't use Debian, Debian aims to provide stable well working packages, which are of course older (because new and stable can't work both). Or maybe try sidux .. |
| 02:48.41 | macrobat | right. stable doesn't have release critical bugs. ubuntu takes a bunch of pkgs and patch release anyway |
| 02:49.39 | macrobat | this channel usually recommends stable |
| 02:50.44 | paranoidphreak | rudi_s__: sidux is live cd, is it installable? |
| 02:51.13 | adb | !sidux |
| 02:51.13 | dpkg | hmm... sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:51.48 | adb | !ot |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:53.32 | paranoidphreak | thanks everyone for the info and thanks adb for pointing me to the right direction |
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| 03:12.32 | nsadmin | does debian lenny's at and etch's at have single-minute resolution? |
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| 04:08.36 | f00bar80 | on debian lenny trying to install xlite, i got "./xtensoftphone: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" any comment ? |
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| 04:11.34 | Jeff91 | How do I add non-free codecs to Lenny? I added this to my sources.list and it still can't find them "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" |
| 04:14.39 | cromag | mine says "non-free" after "main |
| 04:14.57 | wols_ | f00bar80: man ldd |
| 04:15.05 | cromag | oh im not using multimedia though |
| 04:15.18 | cromag | deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:15.31 | cromag | if usable for you |
| 04:16.49 | wols_ | Jeff91: you didn't read the dmm factoid properly. /msg dpkg dmm lenny |
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| 04:20.43 | Jeff91 | wols_ Does that have w32codecs in it? Thats what I am looking for... |
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| 04:24.49 | squarism | can one create a socket and "pipe" tail to that socket .. for remote machines to connect/read? |
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| 04:38.37 | unkmar | what am I suppose to use for a browser? |
| 04:38.45 | Vasistha | jefferai: debian-multimedia has w32codecs |
| 04:38.58 | Vasistha | unkmar: iceweasel is a good choice |
| 04:39.00 | unkmar | I have xfce4 for a desktop. |
| 04:39.22 | Vasistha | unkmar: it's essentially firefox without the name and logo, but uses the same rendering engine |
| 04:39.27 | unkmar | my iceweasel does not appear to be fully operational. Probably my over zealous limitations. |
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| 04:39.48 | Vasistha | unkmar: could be that or could be that it's not the latest and greatest. What is not operating? |
| 04:40.10 | unkmar | I have a script that is not working. |
| 04:40.14 | unkmar | javascripot. |
| 04:40.33 | unkmar | http://happyturtlespub.org/htp/reloader.php |
| 04:40.35 | Vasistha | unkmar: is it a script that you wrote? |
| 04:40.43 | unkmar | yes. |
| 04:40.49 | Vasistha | unkmar: you should probably ask #javascript |
| 04:40.54 | unkmar | and it works on firefox and has worked in many cases. |
| 04:41.09 | unkmar | so, it should be working as is. Not as if it was just written. |
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| 04:42.22 | Vasistha | unkmar: I am going to hazard a guess that your script is depending on a newer feature that was not implemented at the time that the debian stable iceweasel was released |
| 04:42.46 | NiLon | if there is stable release in debian let's say 1.0.1-5 does it mean that there won't be another stable release until real stable does reach 1.0.6 ? |
| 04:42.51 | Vasistha | unkmar: at any rate, #javascript is still a better bet; people there might be able to identify which element is depending on newer features |
| 04:44.03 | unkmar | intesting. It does appear to be a feature problem. |
| 04:44.08 | Vasistha | NiLon: the way it works is this: when the debian team releases a version of the debian OS, that OS comes with a set of packages -- something like 18,000 of them -- and the versions of those packages do not change for the life of that version of the OS. |
| 04:44.17 | unkmar | I just created a seperate profile and still have the same problem. :( |
| 04:44.57 | unkmar | and I doubt it is a newer feature unless and old one is broken. the script is 2 or 3 years old. |
| 04:45.16 | Vasistha | NiLon: there are exceptions for security updates, but not new features. So currently debian 5.0 "lenny" has iceweasel version 3.0.6 and it always will. It has been updated with security fixes to 3.0.6-3 but it will not go up to 3.0.7 |
| 04:45.36 | NiLon | ah, I see |
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| 04:46.39 | unkmar | I go back to my original question. What alternate browsers might I have available under xfce4 that does not have gdm?\ |
| 04:46.56 | unkmar | clearly, I speak of GUI based. |
| 04:47.17 | Vasistha | NiLon: When the new OS is ready (codenamed squeeze, currently in testing; it might be debian 5.1 or 6.0) then that will have a newer version of iceweasel (like maybe 3.5.8) ... if you want to use a newer version of a particular package on stable (like, ahem, iceweasel) then there are ways to do that, but it's not recommended. Still, many people do. |
| 04:47.29 | Vasistha | unkmar: "does not have gdm"? huh? |
| 04:47.34 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 04:47.46 | Psi-Jack | I was thinking the same thing. "does not have gdm?" |
| 04:48.01 | unkmar | my xfce4 does not have gdm or any other gnome like packages. |
| 04:48.26 | Psi-Jack | gdm is just the Gnome Display Manager. |
| 04:48.27 | Psi-Jack | That's it. |
| 04:48.28 | unkmar | I do not have pidgin, or evolution or... the list goes on. |
| 04:48.44 | Vasistha | unkmar: I use opera ... it's not open-source but I like it a lot. I think it uses qt though. There's dillo |
| 04:49.12 | Vasistha | unkmar: if you want something feature-rich, though, iceweasel is probably your best bet. Why the aversion to gtk? |
| 04:49.45 | unkmar | Simple. This laptop sucks. |
| 04:50.07 | Vasistha | unkmar: ah. try dillo. oh... and what's that other browser |
| 04:50.13 | unkmar | Vasistha: this laptop sucks, so i have to keep things as light as possible to make life bareable. |
| 04:50.38 | Psi-Jack | XFCE is GTK+ |
| 04:50.57 | Psi-Jack | That's the irony I see. |
| 04:51.04 | macrobat | there is lighter than xfce4, a lot lighter |
| 04:51.06 | Vasistha | that ... is rather ironic, isn't it |
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| 04:51.40 | unkmar | macrobat: yeah, I know. I dind't know that xfce is gtk+ or I would ahve just used my previous solution. openbox. |
| 04:51.58 | unkmar | Of course it may as well be gtk+ |
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| 04:52.15 | unkmar | either way, I am trying to keep it light on this easily overworked junk. |
| 04:52.34 | unkmar | I'd go with something newer but, well, I don't get paid well for my work. :( |
| 04:53.31 | unkmar | my attempt at installing dillo said no options existed. |
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| 04:54.27 | Vasistha | unkmar: I'm looking through my chat logs ... skipstone |
| 04:54.52 | Vasistha | that is, skipstone was recommended as a very functional, very light browser |
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| 04:57.11 | macrobat | i'm not sure about the names arora kazehakaze midori |
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| 04:59.40 | unkmar | wow, I am shocked at how unimpressed I am with the debian distro. |
| 04:59.54 | Vasistha | unkmar: ohh... I once had some guy in here trying to push links2 on me as a fast browser |
| 04:59.57 | unkmar | strangely I really like the ubuntu distro that is debian based. :( |
| 05:00.25 | Vasistha | unkmar: debian is not very flashy. the value of it is seen more in the long run -- it is super stable |
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| 05:02.10 | macrobat | get testing if stable is too old, not using gtk apps would be hard without kde. in any distro |
| 05:03.57 | unkmar | well, I give up on yet another edeavor. Not needed bad enough. |
| 05:04.00 | Vasistha | unkmar: and the debian repositories are far better organized and maintained than ubuntu (or any other that I know of). |
| 05:04.56 | unkmar | I'm gonna have to just throw down some bread and get a real laptop so I can run gnome. |
| 05:05.13 | unkmar | the sad part is how much I already have tied up in this one because of the 1600x1200 res screen. |
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| 05:05.50 | Vasistha | unkmar: but it can take some time to get everything working (especially e.g. fancy video cards) and if you use debian stable, sometimes the software gets to be painfully outdated. You know ... I used to run kde 3.5 on a PII - 333 MHz - 192 MB ram |
| 05:06.32 | unkmar | until then, I am just getting more and more frustrated with trying to get this thing working at reasonable speeds. |
| 05:06.56 | unkmar | It runs at nearly 80% to show any flash videos and that is if they aren't full screen. |
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| 05:07.12 | unkmar | At fullscreen they simply jitter horribly and consume 100^ |
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| 05:07.18 | unkmar | 100% |
| 05:08.19 | Vasistha | that was definitely one of the perks I experienced upgrading to my current system: being able to watch videos without mplayer complaining that the computer is too slow |
| 05:08.33 | Cope | is there an option for apt[itude] which allows the install of a locally downloaded .deb and pulls in dependencies from repos in sources.list? |
| 05:08.50 | unkmar | good night |
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| 05:09.18 | Cope | i have a custom-built package which depends on ruby, and a few other packages... it'd be good to not have to solve teh deps manually |
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| 05:12.35 | Cope | ah - it's coming back... apt-get --fix-missing or something... /me reads man |
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| 05:14.17 | Jef91 | Cope apt-get -f install |
| 05:14.30 | Cope | thanks Jef91 |
| 05:14.37 | Jef91 | I *think* xD |
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| 05:25.35 | salahuddin | I have setup a kiosk using debian (with blackbox). But when I press the power button it kills the X server and hangup. |
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| 05:26.25 | salahuddin | If I kill the X server then it is working fine. any hints ? |
| 05:31.06 | xsdg | salahuddin: what do you want it to do? |
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| 05:33.21 | mischievious | anyone have any remote idea what this means? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a96936da/ i tried using kexec.. :\ |
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| 05:37.36 | mischievious | i wanna kexec :( |
| 05:38.30 | xsdg | mischievious: try asking in #kernelnewbies on OFTC |
| 05:38.36 | xsdg | mischievious: this isn't really the right place |
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| 05:38.59 | xsdg | mischievious: note that it will probably take a while for someone to respond, unfortunately (that's how kernelnewbies is) |
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| 05:40.18 | salahuddin | xsdg: I was the kiosk admin to shutdown PC using power button. |
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| 05:40.35 | salahuddin | xsdg: want |
| 05:41.00 | AbortD | how long is it between debian upgrades |
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| 05:41.49 | mischievious | xsdg, on ArchLinux exec works perfectly >_> with debian it fails miserably. |
| 05:41.50 | xsdg | salahuddin: oh, I see. Try installing acpi-support-base? |
| 05:42.10 | xsdg | mischievious: I would expect a kernel difference before anything in userspace |
| 05:42.35 | johni | AbortD, http://release.debian.org/ |
| 05:42.37 | mischievious | oh, i've got an idea actually... |
| 05:42.51 | mischievious | xsdg, do you know if it's actually *possible* to kexec in a xen domU? |
| 05:43.05 | xsdg | mischievious: I don't know anything about xen, unfortunately |
| 05:43.10 | salahuddin | xsdg: Okey I will try after setup that. |
| 05:43.20 | xsdg | mischievious: #xen perhaps? (dunno if that's actually the right channel) |
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| 05:59.09 | daltio111 | guys i have taken backup of my old machine with partimage and now trying to restore it with partimage |
| 05:59.23 | daltio111 | but am unable too boot my new disk with old OS |
| 05:59.25 | daltio111 | any idea |
| 05:59.42 | daltio111 | i have 2 machine with excatly same hardarw and software OS |
| 05:59.53 | valdyn | daltio111: what did you backup ( and restore ) |
| 06:00.00 | daltio111 | can i take working machine backup and retrive my old bad machine |
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| 06:00.19 | daltio111 | i take /boot and / partition backup and partition table |
| 06:00.24 | daltio111 | i restore partition table |
| 06:00.46 | daltio111 | done the restore /boot partition and / partition but i can not get OS running |
| 06:00.49 | valdyn | daltio111: so you have no boot manager |
| 06:01.22 | daltio111 | i also take dd of my /dev/cciss/codop1 partition which is my /boot partition |
| 06:01.35 | daltio111 | and i tin dd is complete backup of boot |
| 06:01.40 | valdyn | daltio111: that doesnt cover the master boot record |
| 06:01.42 | daltio111 | but still no progress |
| 06:01.54 | daltio111 | i have MBR backup as well |
| 06:02.03 | valdyn | daltio111: so restore it |
| 06:02.20 | daltio111 | what i did is restote /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 from partimage and take MBR backupa lso |
| 06:02.24 | daltio111 | with partimage |
| 06:02.28 | daltio111 | i did |
| 06:02.58 | valdyn | daltio111: thats all you need but something obviously went wrong |
| 06:03.08 | daltio111 | dd if=/MBR_backup of=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 bs=512 count=1 |
| 06:03.09 | valdyn | daltio111: whats the error you get when booting? |
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| 06:03.30 | valdyn | daltio111: p1 is a *partition* thats not the place for the master boot record? |
| 06:03.33 | daltio111 | on boot it was red screen says odd no OS |
| 06:03.47 | daltio111 | oh sorry |
| 06:03.57 | daltio111 | dd if=/MBR_backup of=/dev/cciss/c0d0 bs=512 count=1 |
| 06:04.01 | daltio111 | i did this |
| 06:04.09 | daltio111 | should i do dd if=/MBR_backup of=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 bs=446 count=1 |
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| 06:04.23 | daltio111 | b/c i already restore partition tanle with sfdisk command |
| 06:04.25 | valdyn | daltio111: p1 is a partitition still, wrong device |
| 06:04.40 | daltio111 | dd if=/MBR_backup of=/dev/cciss/c0d0 bs=512 count=1 |
| 06:04.45 | daltio111 | i did this |
| 06:04.51 | daltio111 | dd if=/MBR_backup of=/dev/cciss/c0d0 bs=446 count=1 |
| 06:04.55 | daltio111 | should i do this? |
| 06:05.17 | valdyn | daltio111: dd to p1 might already have fucked that file system anyway |
| 06:05.31 | daltio111 | hmm |
| 06:05.40 | daltio111 | i will recreate it |
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| 06:05.59 | daltio111 | what i do bs=446 or bs=512 |
| 06:06.16 | valdyn | daltio111: 512 is fine, that gets the master boot record plus the partition table |
| 06:06.31 | valdyn | daltio111: i dont know the seperate sizes |
| 06:06.35 | daltio111 | but i restore pattion table with sfdisk |
| 06:06.45 | daltio111 | ok |
| 06:06.48 | daltio111 | no issues |
| 06:07.19 | valdyn | daltio111: but i dont know if your backup is even 512 bytes in size |
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| 06:07.52 | daltio111 | hmm |
| 06:09.09 | daltio111 | now whay to do |
| 06:09.11 | daltio111 | plz help |
| 06:09.19 | valdyn | daltio111: i told you, restore the MBR |
| 06:09.25 | daltio111 | what is the best way of doing OS backup |
| 06:09.52 | valdyn | daltio111: same as you did is fine, except a backup without testing a restore is dangerous |
| 06:10.12 | daltio111 | hmm |
| 06:10.27 | daltio111 | but how we test backup of live machines |
| 06:10.31 | daltio111 | its not possible |
| 06:10.37 | daltio111 | to backup live machine and test it |
| 06:11.02 | valdyn | daltio111: part of this is understanding the machines |
| 06:11.11 | valdyn | daltio111: which you did not, when not knowing where the mbr is |
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| 06:11.36 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 06:11.37 | dpkg | Mondo Rescue, a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. Not in Lenny, third-party packages at ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/debian/5.0 (see contents of mondorescue.sources.list). http://www.mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html#FAQ http://trac.mondorescue.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 06:12.22 | yo_rmn | just finished installing Squeeze amd64, can seem to install compiz though |
| 06:12.28 | yo_rmn | can't |
| 06:12.46 | valdyn | yo_rmn: why cant you? |
| 06:14.10 | yo_rmn | IDK, I mean I can, but not really working. let's see: no Window frames when compiz in chage of it, |
| 06:14.26 | yo_rmn | xcuse my anglish |
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| 06:16.01 | yo_rmn | example: i don't get wobbly win even though applied, Comiz as windows manager indirect rendering and stuff |
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| 06:21.24 | daltio111 | valdyn wjy not mondo |
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| 06:22.02 | jair | hello guys, I am planning on working with the android OS for the mobile phones and they say if should work with ubuntu 9.04 is debian squeeze the equivalent to that version of Ubuntu? |
| 06:22.09 | yo_rmn | -sorry, I had to restart my x |
| 06:22.30 | jair | I was thinking on using sid, but I am not sure if is necessary =) |
| 06:23.11 | jair | I do not want to use ubuntu, instead I was to use a more updated version of debian like testing (squeeze) may work just fine? |
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| 06:25.05 | simonrvn | jair: ubuntu has no real equivalent to debian anymore. once upon a time it used to be a heavily modified sid. |
| 06:25.43 | simonrvn | jair: the 'development' version of ubuntu is probably closest to sid you'll get. ymmv. |
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| 06:26.51 | jair | simonrvn: thank you very much |
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| 06:27.11 | Vasistha | jair: if someone says something will work with ubuntu, there is no guarantee that it will work with debian; there may be some proprietary drivers that have been integrated into the system which may be difficult to set up. Rather than trusting our advice, you should look on google to see if anyone else is doing what you want to do |
| 06:27.14 | jair | simonrvn: I am downloading the latest testing version daily snapshot =) |
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| 06:28.32 | jair | Vasistha: it is actually OK, the android website wants to get my feedback, whether or not I could get the developing environment running on another version of linux (debian) |
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| 06:30.00 | Vasistha | jair: cool. If you're up for it I'd encourage you to test with stable as well, unless you have good reason to believe it probably won't work |
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| 06:39.47 | jair | Vasistha: that's true. I may try to use lenny and see |
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| 06:45.33 | jair | Vasistha: thank you for the information. |
| 06:46.18 | Vasistha | jair: np, good luck & have fun |
| 06:46.31 | Vasistha | jair: we'll be here if you need any help in your adventures |
| 06:47.59 | jair | Vasistha: I am sure that you have heard about android mobile OS google and the iphone, what I am trying to accomplish is running the full version of android on the iphone =) |
| 06:49.18 | Vasistha | jair: well... "why?" comes to mind, but ... whatever pleases you! |
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| 06:50.20 | jair | Vasistha: I have a 1st generation iphone doing nothing and I do not like the Mac os software it is limited and not phone like the linux one (android) |
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| 06:54.41 | tuv | how do i keep packages in a set of debian machines in sync. preferrebly, installing a package on one machine would install in all of them, but at least they are all updated similarly |
| 06:55.10 | adb | jair, join #android |
| 06:55.25 | jair | adb: I will thank you very much |
| 06:55.36 | jair | adb: same irc server though? |
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| 06:55.52 | adb | jair, have to register first |
| 06:56.03 | adb | yes |
| 06:56.29 | jair | adb: I see. Thank you very much |
| 06:56.42 | adb | yw |
| 06:57.42 | Vasistha | tuv: some kind of apt proxy comes to mind ... and doing an automatic upgrade on boot or something ... although it seems like what you're describing is not a new idea |
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| 06:58.51 | tuv | Vasistha: apt-proxy will help me avoid re-downloading the same .deb file over and over by caching them, but will not help sync'ing installations and upgrades |
| 06:58.51 | dirkson | How is one meant to dual boot using the new grub? I can't make heads or tails of any of the new config files. |
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| 06:59.48 | Vasistha | tuv: indeed not. I'm not even sure what terms to search on. You might try putting the question out on a mailing list ... I bet someone here knows, but catching them could be tricky |
| 06:59.56 | tuv | dirkson: update-grub should detect all oses. install os-prober if it misses any |
| 07:00.25 | dirkson | tuv Any way to see if it was successful without rebooting? |
| 07:00.51 | tuv | dirkson: update-grub will list the oses it detects |
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| 07:01.28 | tuv | dirkson: and you can examine /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually to see what entries are there |
| 07:05.26 | dirkson | tuv: I'm sure glad grub has updated, turning 4 lines of user-editable code into 400 lines of spaghetti. That's definitely helped me out there. |
| 07:05.51 | dirkson | tuv: But more importantly, I think the method I attempted to use to fix grub first has hosed my system. I think it's reinstall time. |
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| 07:07.51 | seatstaken | is wpa2 able to be defeated yet? |
| 07:10.09 | dirkson | seatstaken: Last I checked, simple passwords can be broken. Just ensure that your password is a good, strong password and you should be fine. |
| 07:12.13 | seatstaken | hmm |
| 07:12.28 | dirkson | seatstaken: This is, of course, why you wanted to know : ) |
| 07:13.21 | seatstaken | well i know that there are 2 types |
| 07:13.37 | seatstaken | one uses aes encryption which is superior i believe |
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| 07:20.15 | dirkson | It's also sort of weird that the installer still appears to require an ethernet connection. |
| 07:20.34 | sep | seatstaken, wpa2-psk can be bruteforced, and you can speed that up with rainbow tables, especially if you use a default ssid eg "linksys" that is a part of the salt for the hash and key, so you can precompute them making brute force much quicker (still takes quite some time tho...) that's why so many have random strings or pieces of mac addres in the default SSID nowadays i guess. |
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| 07:23.01 | tuv | seatstaken: ccmp -> aes |
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| 07:29.12 | yo_rmn | I just installed Squeeze AMD64, I hav no Xorg and can't get Compiz to work |
| 07:29.32 | yo_rmn | xorg.conf I mean |
| 07:30.02 | streuner_ | aptitude install xorg? |
| 07:30.07 | macrobat | xorg.conf isnt always necessary |
| 07:30.28 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.32 | yo_rmn | done tht, but It is for compiz to work proerly right? |
| 07:30.43 | yo_rmn | yes hav x and compiz too |
| 07:31.50 | MoMo | i have a box with two NICs ... I am trying to issue a Wakeonlan command to a mac address on the lan (which is connected to eth0) but it doesn't work, i suspect it is sending the packet out on wlan0 ... how do i specifiy which interface to send it out on? |
| 07:32.18 | yo_rmn | all but effects, and how can I tell for sure Nvidia driver is there? I did install and no error showed but no Nvidia server settings found either in menu |
| 07:32.31 | streuner_ | yo_rmn: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 07:32.51 | macrobat | yo_rmn: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 07:32.58 | yo_rmn | been there, does'nt it talks about XORG.CONF? |
| 07:33.23 | macrobat | you have nvidia-settings? |
| 07:33.27 | yo_rmn | no response |
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| 07:33.34 | macrobat | ? |
| 07:33.37 | yo_rmn | it prompts back |
| 07:33.54 | yo_rmn | rmn@debian:~$ lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 07:33.54 | yo_rmn | rmn@debian:~$ |
| 07:34.01 | yo_rmn | there |
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| 07:34.18 | macrobat | then it is not loaded |
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| 07:35.25 | yo_rmn | installed but not loaded? not installed? did smthing wrong? |
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| 07:35.43 | macrobat | how did you install nvidia? |
| 07:35.55 | macrobat | here is a howto http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 07:37.29 | yo_rmn | I dl the driver stopped gdm, sh NVIDIA etc, an sarted x again |
| 07:37.44 | macrobat | dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows "ii" infront of the installed pkgs |
| 07:37.44 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia shows "ii" infront of the installed pkgs 3.1-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 07:39.32 | yo_rmn | in every link u gave me it says xorg.conf but u ppl say is not necessary, well it seems it is fr me |
| 07:39.42 | MoMo | anyone have experince with using wakeonlan on a machine with two NICs? |
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| 07:40.18 | adb | !wakeonlan |
| 07:40.18 | dpkg | [wol] Wake-on-LAN, a method of powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan and http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: etherwake, wakeonlan. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/ , http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile |
| 07:40.57 | macrobat | if you need it, then you generate a xorg.conf and edit it |
| 07:40.59 | yo_rmn | where do I load th driver if not xorg.conf? |
| 07:41.03 | MoMo | adb: thank you, my wol on is working fine, the issue is i cannot find how to specify which of the two interfaces to send out on ... |
| 07:41.35 | macrobat | xorg should be smart enough in squeeze to know which driver to load |
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| 07:42.11 | yo_rmn | macrobat: an exaple of it? where can i get a sample of xorg.conf? |
| 07:42.18 | macrobat | it says in the howto. |
| 07:42.21 | yo_rmn | I guess anywhere. thx |
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| 07:42.57 | yo_rmn | too tired now. Bye ppl. And thx |
| 07:42.59 | MoMo | how do i adjust my system time? |
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| 07:44.07 | sep | MoMo, ask dpkg about set time and ntp |
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| 07:48.11 | TF___ | hi, i could not fugure out how to mount a custom fuse from /etc/fstab. I have written a program in Ruby that uses libfusefs-ruby1.8 to mount a virtual filesystem. I can execute it and a mountpoint will be created at the specified directory. But how can I do this from fstab? I want it mounted automatically on boot. Any hints? |
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| 07:57.19 | eviltoaster | debian squeeze + wlan0 + wrong dhcprelease on wlan0 ip + route add default gw ip = no such process ... what to do ? |
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| 08:09.47 | cads | Hey, I'd like to do a dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 08:10.36 | cads | In my apt sources there are the main deb and deb source entries, which are lenny main, and then there are entries for lenny/update and lenny/volatile |
| 08:10.51 | cads | should I comment out the latter entries? |
| 08:11.08 | cads | and simply replace lenny with sid in the first two entries? |
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| 08:11.55 | streuner | you shouldnt use sid, if you dont know how to use sources.list |
| 08:12.27 | streuner | just /msg dpkg sid |
| 08:12.51 | cads | I'm only using sid to get access to the haskellplatform packages.. it's in a backed up vm so there isn't much danger |
| 08:12.56 | cads | thanks |
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| 08:13.04 | streuner | !backports |
| 08:13.05 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 08:14.11 | cads | Hmm, I'll read that first |
| 08:14.18 | cads | thanks again |
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| 08:21.16 | cads | d'oh, there are no backports |
| 08:21.48 | cads | ah well, snapshot the puppy and dist-upgrade on through |
| 08:22.04 | streuner | depends, if its a small package, just use simple sid backport |
| 08:22.08 | MoMo | is there a way to remotely shutdown linux clients on my lan? |
| 08:22.26 | MoMo | linux = debian |
| 08:22.27 | streuner | ssh to it? |
| 08:22.30 | vsmatck | MoMo: you can use ssh to run the shutdown command. |
| 08:22.37 | MoMo | i could but i'm talking mass machines |
| 08:22.54 | MoMo | to start them up i have a script that spams through WOLs |
| 08:23.05 | vsmatck | MoMo: You can write a script to do it with SSH. You can use keypairs so you don't have to enter passwords. |
| 08:23.18 | MoMo | hmm |
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| 08:23.32 | redax | hi |
| 08:24.03 | MoMo | vsmatck how would a script like that run? |
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| 08:24.25 | redax | is there any solution to compile kernel 2.6.33.1 on a lenny system, it always fails at lguest.c as it looking for sys/eventfd.h , I tried to turn off Paravirtualization Guest support |
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| 08:25.07 | vsmatck | MoMo: I'm not sure I understand the question. The script could be run like any script. (although this is the answer to the literal question it doesn't seem like the right answer). |
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| 08:26.32 | Arrowmaster | MoMo: ssh authorized_keys file has a command= option you could use |
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| 08:27.04 | MoMo | this seems like a soultion yes, i'm not sure it is the most effeciant, but i don't know of any way period to do this ... i am familier with windows domain where i can send the shutdown command |
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| 08:29.08 | redax | hm. it is not enough to turn off Paravirtualization guest support. but haveto turn off CONFIG_LGUEST as well |
| 08:29.16 | vsmatck | I wonder if there is remote management software which makes this easier. |
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| 08:32.21 | mischievious | do lenny kernels have hotplug CPU? :( |
| 08:32.58 | redax | aaahh.. include/linux/compile.h is deprecated? kernel-pacakge still looking for UTS_VERSION |
| 08:32.59 | dirkson | mischievious: I can't help with the question, but what sort of hardware has hotpluggable cpus? |
| 08:33.07 | VEvilz | anyone in here interested in tracking/reporting/shutting down botnets? could use a bit of help |
| 08:33.25 | eviltoaster | Sry i droped out, Can someone tell me why this happen "dhcprelease on wlan0 192.168.1.1" why does it not change? my new gw is "10.2.27.254" and when i use route it says "no such process" |
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| 08:34.56 | oobe | eviltoaster, try this killall dhclient |
| 08:35.23 | oobe | ifconfig wlan0 down && dhclient -r wlan0 |
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| 08:36.39 | eviltoaster | i tried dhclient -r but not as you told me ... brb |
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| 08:39.15 | mischievious | dirkson, xen domUs |
| 08:39.42 | oobe | eviltoaster, this is somthing that i put together that i used to use http://pastebin.ca/1849037 |
| 08:39.43 | MoMo | i am using dnsmasq and my clients can recevie a dhcp address fine, however i would like to be able to assign a "static" address based on their mac address ... i am using dhcp-host=id:00:21:97:7d:ad:bf,192.168.69.12 ... yet it still pulls a dynamic address |
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| 08:40.02 | dirkson | mischievious: Software stuffs? Cheating :D |
| 08:40.03 | mischievious | MoMo, use /etc/ethers ? |
| 08:40.21 | MoMo | whats that? |
| 08:40.31 | mischievious | it's a file dnsmasq reads |
| 08:40.47 | MoMo | hmm i'll look into this -- give me a minute please |
| 08:41.41 | MoMo | i don't already have an ethers file in etc ... is it kosher to just make one? and populate it? |
| 08:42.05 | mischievious | yea. |
| 08:42.06 | i5513 | hi, I have a process which is running like 'su user -c "comand"' , do you know how I can know how many open files can open this user (in that context, not now I now ulimit -n) .. |
| 08:42.25 | i5513 | do you know if there is any file in /proc which tell me about that ? |
| 08:42.31 | mischievious | MoMo, on my systems 'man 5 ethers' tells you a bit more. but it's basically a db of 'ether ip' format |
| 08:42.44 | mischievious | MoMo, with lines starting with # being comments |
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| 08:43.24 | mischievious | what do you mean 'in that context' |
| 08:43.41 | i5513 | in that context == when the command was launched |
| 08:44.02 | i5513 | I know I can exec "su - user" and "ulimit -n" |
| 08:44.40 | i5513 | but I can't be sure this is the same limit that when the process started (days ago) |
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| 08:44.52 | MoMo | do i just restart dnsmasq or another service once i'm done? |
| 08:46.19 | dirkson | I'd like to set nameservers manually for a dhcp'd connection. How do I do that? |
| 08:46.35 | llutz | dirkson: edit dhclient.conf |
| 08:46.56 | dirkson | llutz: Doesn't exist |
| 08:47.00 | mischievious | MoMo, yea restart dnsmasq |
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| 08:47.06 | dirkson | llutz: Oops! Found it |
| 08:47.46 | MoMo | nope no dice |
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| 08:48.37 | dirkson | llutz: Brilliant! Easy as pie |
| 08:49.07 | eviltoaster | oobe, did not work "killall dhclient" and " ifconfig wlan0......" |
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| 08:49.45 | oobe | ok |
| 08:50.14 | MoMo | here is my current dnsmasq.conf ... is there just something i'm messing up? |
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| 08:51.00 | MoMo | http://pastebin.com/s30REjWc |
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| 08:53.03 | jelly-hme | !tell dirkson about override dns |
| 08:53.24 | dirkson | jelly-hme: Yup, got that. |
| 08:53.33 | ethanol | good mornin' people! had a nice weekend? |
| 08:53.50 | mischievious | MoMo, did you use the read-ethers option |
| 08:54.59 | MoMo | lol .. that would be helpful ... =D |
| 08:55.27 | MoMo | i thought you were able to do it all in dnsmasq though |
| 08:55.28 | mischievious | idd |
| 08:55.34 | mischievious | do all what |
| 08:56.27 | i5513 | ok, I need a kernel > 2.6.24 ... the response is /proc/pid/limits |
| 08:56.57 | MoMo | the mac to ip matching |
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| 08:58.51 | MoMo | where do i put the -Z for read ethers ... its not really clear |
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| 09:03.02 | mischievious | MoMo, in the config file just put 'read-ethers' on a line |
| 09:03.35 | MoMo | hmm -- not sure where you see that -- i can't figure this how-to out worth a damn ... i'll give that a whirl though |
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| 09:06.04 | MoMo | its still grabbing a random ip |
| 09:06.06 | MoMo | =\ |
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| 09:07.32 | MoMo | now its working |
| 09:07.43 | MoMo | ethers lied to me ... lol said i could use a host name in liue of ip |
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| 09:09.58 | Gentoochild | hi there. on my Lenny 5, Xorg's radeon driver crashes on X start. What is my best choice to solve this? I might add that I'm not very debian-experienced ;-) |
| 09:10.13 | zxd_ | has anyone succesfully managed to get xl2tpd/ppp working with cisco IOS ? |
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| 09:19.17 | trupheenix | i'm having issues with apt-get upgrade. are the mirrors down or something? i'm getting a HTTP 404 Not found for every package in lenny/updates/main |
| 09:19.23 | trupheenix | ? |
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| 09:20.24 | fireba11 | trupheenix: try another mirror? |
| 09:20.33 | trupheenix | fireba11, how? |
| 09:20.42 | trupheenix | fireba11, i'm on security.debian.org |
| 09:21.01 | themill | trupheenix: have you run an "aptitude update" recently? |
| 09:21.14 | trupheenix | themill, no |
| 09:21.28 | themill | that's probably why then |
| 09:21.37 | trupheenix | themill ok let me try |
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| 09:27.34 | collabra | i need a script or command that will take all my files in my picture folder and give them consecutive numbers while keeping the extension,... for example pic000.jpg pic001.jpg pic002.jpg etc... please help |
| 09:27.53 | Gentoochild | can it be a graphical solution? |
| 09:28.03 | Gentoochild | -> Krusader, mass renamer |
| 09:28.35 | collabra | are you asking me? |
| 09:28.38 | Gentoochild | yes |
| 09:28.53 | Gentoochild | rather, change my suggestion to krename. That's what krusader opens |
| 09:28.57 | collabra | ah,... any solution to my problem will be welcome |
| 09:29.08 | collabra | krename |
| 09:29.09 | collabra | ok |
| 09:29.13 | collabra | i'll try it |
| 09:30.02 | Gentoochild | add your pics root folder and then, if I remember correctly, insert pic#### into the field for new file name |
| 09:30.04 | collabra | krusader is the graphical frontend |
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| 09:30.24 | Gentoochild | no, krusader is just a file manager with a shortcut to open a mass-renamer for selected files/dirs |
| 09:30.34 | collabra | ahh,.. thanks |
| 09:30.35 | Gentoochild | krename is just the tool of choice for kde |
| 09:30.42 | Gentoochild | which does the real worlk |
| 09:30.44 | Gentoochild | -l |
| 09:30.45 | icebrain | i=0; for f in *; do mv "$f" pic$i.jpg; i=$((i+1)); done |
| 09:30.47 | wedge | krap |
| 09:30.50 | Gentoochild | so if you don't have krusader, don't bother |
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| 09:31.06 | Gentoochild | icebrain: does that add padding zeroes? |
| 09:31.15 | icebrain | Gentoochild: ops, forgot about that :| |
| 09:31.19 | Gentoochild | :-p |
| 09:31.35 | hideo | use seq |
| 09:31.42 | Gentoochild | I'm sure there's an easy way to do in on console, however it's not in my knowledge :-(/ |
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| 09:34.56 | Gentoochild | collabra: oops I just realised this is not #kde, which is why I assumed you had Krusader |
| 09:34.56 | icebrain | i=0; for f in *; do mv "$f" pic`printf '%03d' $i`.jpg; i=$((i+1)); done <--- this pads with 3 digits |
| 09:34.58 | Gentoochild | *g* |
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| 09:35.45 | Gentoochild | icebrain: this does not include subdirs. :-p |
| 09:35.51 | Gentoochild | you should use find instead |
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| 09:35.56 | Gentoochild | something like: |
| 09:36.12 | Gentoochild | find . -iname '*.jpg' -exec ... |
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| 09:36.24 | Gentoochild | however I never found out how to correctly execute more than one command with find |
| 09:36.38 | icebrain | no, you don't want pictures in subdirs being included in the same numbering sequence |
| 09:36.50 | Gentoochild | that would also prevent from renaming files to .jpg that aren't jpg in the first place |
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| 09:37.08 | collabra | i don't need subdir |
| 09:37.10 | Gentoochild | ok |
| 09:37.12 | Gentoochild | :-) |
| 09:37.17 | icebrain | then you just need to change "for f in *" to "for f in *.jpg" |
| 09:37.25 | Gentoochild | indeed. |
| 09:38.12 | Gentoochild | and to ignore case, for f in $(ls|grep -i jpg) |
| 09:38.13 | collabra | icebrain,... does that script keep them in the same dir |
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| 09:38.29 | icebrain | if you run it from the same dir, yes |
| 09:38.33 | icebrain | if you don't, dunno |
| 09:38.40 | collabra | ok,.. i'll try it |
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| 09:39.56 | Gentoochild | make a backup first ;-) |
| 09:40.30 | Gentoochild | I know from experience that if something goes wrong, you have a bunch of garbage file names without undo |
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| 09:41.17 | jelly | Gentoochild: for f in $(ls|grep -i jpg) # this is _very_ wrong |
| 09:41.31 | Gentoochild | hmk |
| 09:41.37 | jelly | !bash pitfalls |
| 09:41.38 | dpkg | Read about common sh/bash script mistakes at http://wooledge.org:8000/BashPitfalls, or http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 09:42.59 | Gentoochild | oh yeah, the null terminator |
| 09:43.06 | Gentoochild | I remember that when I first tried the find solution |
| 09:43.29 | Gentoochild | no wait, that was ls|xargs -0 or something |
| 09:43.42 | Gentoochild | whoof... that was a long time ago |
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| 09:44.09 | collabra | icebrain: BOOM!!! done! thanks |
| 09:44.16 | Gentoochild | but whatever, thanks for the link, I'll go through it |
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| 09:44.18 | sep | Gentoochild, you mean find -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 09:44.26 | icebrain | collabra: nice, np |
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| 09:44.31 | Gentoochild | like I said, long ago ;-) |
| 09:44.40 | Gentoochild | I think you're right |
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| 09:48.48 | hideo | noob |
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| 10:04.03 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 10:04.12 | [gnubie] | in iptables, how can i edit a rule/line from a forward table? |
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| 10:05.47 | petemc | [gnubie]: how was the rule ran in the first place? |
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| 10:06.12 | [gnubie] | petemc: not sure. i'm just taking over this. |
| 10:06.27 | petemc | well, find out |
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| 10:09.24 | jelly | [gnubie]: you can't actually edit a rule, but you can add a new one in the same place and remove the old one |
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| 10:10.40 | zcat[1] | trying to install sun java 6.18, can't do it. Bloody annoying because I used to have it and it used to work fine, update broke it. |
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| 10:11.19 | [gnubie] | jelly: i'm thinking of doing an "iptables-save > file.txt" and edit it then do an "iptables-restore file.txt".. what do you think? |
| 10:11.37 | jelly | [gnubie]: that will work |
| 10:12.00 | [gnubie] | jelly: thanks for your confirmation. ;) |
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| 10:15.02 | zcat[1] | ok think I found it... |
| 10:16.36 | zcat[1] | and hacked up a bash script to fix it again just in case a future update breaks it since I didn't do the proper 'package' thing (make-jwhatever won't work for me!) |
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| 10:23.31 | [gnubie] | gtg now.. |
| 10:23.32 | [gnubie] | thanks.. ;) |
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| 10:28.43 | Gentoochild | lunchtime. bye |
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| 10:29.04 | developerare | Im trying to send a mail through my java program which I made. The error Im getting is javax.mail.MessaginException: 501 5.0.0 HELO requiers domain address. I have googled for it and it means that my STMP server expects a hostname of the computer connecting. So I wonder how I could configure sp |
| 10:29.35 | developerare | my /ets/hosts file for it |
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| 10:30.34 | rvsjoen | what does 'hostname' say |
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| 10:33.38 | Mowee | Hi :o |
| 10:34.01 | developerare | hostname says: TIM-ETL01 |
| 10:34.13 | rvsjoen | you should be able to get that from java |
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| 10:34.26 | Argafal | I'm looking for a PDF viewer which can render comment boxes embedded in the pdf. They do work if I'd use Acrobat software (which I don't want and don't have installed), but they don't work in xpdf. |
| 10:34.36 | rvsjoen | argafal: try evince ? |
| 10:34.40 | lindi- | Argafal: got some example pdf file? |
| 10:34.56 | rvsjoen | no idea if it works |
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| 10:35.55 | Argafal | lindi-: no, i don't know how they create that stuff. I guess that comes from a Adobe software which embeds the command into the pdf file. |
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| 10:36.36 | Argafal | rvsjoen: good guess, but it fails. it does a yellow highlight of the text where the comment was put, but it doesn't show the comment itself. |
| 10:37.24 | lindi- | Argafal: i can try with mupdf if you have the file |
| 10:37.39 | Argafal | lindi-: i'd have to get another file than that cause that one is corporate. |
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| 10:37.48 | Argafal | but i appreciate the offer, let me try to organize that. |
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| 10:46.01 | tarzeau | any lemmings fans in here? |
| 10:46.14 | mischievious | huh |
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| 10:46.22 | pippijn | hi all |
| 10:46.24 | rvsjoen | I prefer goldfish, all my lemmings keel over and die on me |
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| 10:47.56 | petemc | the whole suicidal lemmings thing is a myth, isnt it? |
| 10:48.11 | tarzeau | petemc: according to wikipedia, yes. though it happens occasionally |
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| 10:48.26 | tarzeau | petemc: i was refering to the game though, there's a 8 player multiplayer clone: http://lplusplus.co.cc/about.php |
| 10:48.38 | petemc | aye, i guessed as much |
| 10:48.47 | petemc | bored with the bubble bobble clone? |
| 10:49.11 | tarzeau | petemc: nah, that's nice too. but lemmings really was fun! especially in multiplayer mode |
| 10:49.19 | petemc | true that |
| 10:49.44 | krion | hi |
| 10:50.08 | sanderj | Does anyone know if its possible with an sshd backdoor to get an ssh key from a client for use to log into another ssh server which accepts this ssh key for login without password? |
| 10:50.44 | krion | sanderj: Forward ssh-agent ? |
| 10:50.52 | Rossonero | did microsoft stopped the support of msn for other OSs than windows ? |
| 10:51.05 | tarzeau | Rossonero: why? does amsn not work anymore? |
| 10:51.26 | Rossonero | no.. no client msn want work |
| 10:51.26 | icebrain | emesene works fine too, afaik |
| 10:51.28 | cahoot | isn't that a recurrent problem? |
| 10:51.33 | Rossonero | same error ! |
| 10:51.41 | icebrain | Rossonero: what error? |
| 10:51.41 | tarzeau | Rossonero: no problems here. works |
| 10:51.57 | Rossonero | wait I'll show you |
| 10:52.05 | petemc | Rossonero: you need to get a backported client, most likely |
| 10:52.07 | MoMo | where would i go to find the US apt-get sources for lenny? |
| 10:52.22 | petemc | Rossonero: ms move the goalposts regularly so stable cant keep up |
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| 10:52.38 | themill | kopete from stable still works just fine with MSN |
| 10:52.50 | petemc | why does pidgin break then? |
| 10:53.17 | themill | petemc: nfc. Didn't know that pidgin-msn was broken.... just icq, yahoo chat, ... |
| 10:53.29 | petemc | oh |
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| 10:53.48 | petemc | irc is the only 'instant messaging' i do, so i dont know either |
| 10:53.53 | sanderj | krion, I was wondring if its more secure to use key authentication compeard to password? |
| 10:54.01 | Rossonero | amsn tell me error connecting to the server |
| 10:54.04 | sanderj | public key* |
| 10:54.22 | rvsjoen | my pidgin works fine with msn |
| 10:54.56 | themill | petemc: :) |
| 10:55.21 | sanderj | krion, when logging into a server with a password, and if this server has an ssh backdoor.. then someone can get this password on login. |
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| 10:55.39 | Rossonero | pidging : connection error from notification server.. Unable to connect |
| 10:56.56 | Rossonero | rvsjoen, what version of pidging are you using ? |
| 10:57.58 | rvsjoen | 2.6.3-1 |
| 10:58.08 | rvsjoen | haven't been upgraded in a while, but it works |
| 10:58.08 | Arrowmaster | sanderj: the private key stays private it doesnt get sent to the server, if you have ssh-agent forwarding enabled though the server will be able to access the private key but you can force that to be disabled from the client |
| 10:58.18 | Rossonero | I am using an old one 2.4.* |
| 10:58.28 | lindi- | Argafal: will forwarding really give the server the private key |
| 10:58.33 | lindi- | sorry Arrowmaster |
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| 10:59.02 | Argafal | lindi-: example pdf is here: http://www.argafal.de/public/GAIA-C3-ICD-ESAC-MIC-001.pdf, commentbox on page 3. |
| 10:59.14 | lindi- | Arrowmaster: i thought it was just able to authenticate with it |
| 11:00.50 | Arrowmaster | lindi-: i honestly dont know but ive been told not to all forwarding to untrusted servers |
| 11:00.50 | Rossonero | rvsjoen, can you give this info from your pidgin msn connection: name server, port and http method server plz ? |
| 11:00.50 | Arrowmaster | s/all/allow/ |
| 11:01.03 | Rossonero | rvsjoen, select modify account then advanced |
| 11:01.08 | lindi- | Arrowmaster: that is true |
| 11:01.26 | lindi- | Arrowmaster: sine the untrusted server can then authenticate as you to anywhere. but it doesn't still get the key |
| 11:01.28 | albondie | is away: I'm busy |
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| 11:02.08 | lindi- | Arrowmaster: X11 forwarding is another dangerous thing of course too |
| 11:02.33 | rvsjoen | rossonero: messenger.hotmail.com / port 1863 / gateway.messenger.hotmail.com, 'use http method' is unchecked |
| 11:02.49 | icebrain | Rossonero: if a connection to messenger.hotmail.com:1863 succeeds, it should work, afaik. They still support old protocols |
| 11:03.13 | Rossonero | rvsjoen, thank you friend ! |
| 11:03.20 | Rossonero | icebrain, Ok I will see |
| 11:03.20 | icebrain | I just did "nc messenger.hotmail.com 1863" and then typed "VER 0 MSNP8 CVR0" and it replied fine :) |
| 11:03.28 | Rossonero | ok |
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| 11:04.51 | Rossonero | no I see the error : Our protocol is not supported by the server |
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| 11:05.36 | icebrain | hmm. then you probably need a backport, as petemc mentioned |
| 11:06.03 | lindi- | Argafal: looks pretty empty to me. is that "FIXME" such a comment? |
| 11:06.18 | Rossonero | ok |
| 11:06.57 | Argafal | lindi-: did you see the page 3? |
| 11:07.15 | Argafal | lindi-: it should contain a PDF comment "This is just an example" or something like that. |
| 11:07.23 | lindi- | Argafal: it has just "1 Introduction" |
| 11:07.37 | Argafal | lindi-: and right behind it is the comment. |
| 11:07.50 | lindi- | Argafal: xpdf shows the comment mark but not the text :) |
| 11:07.59 | Argafal | exactly. |
| 11:08.06 | lindi- | mupdf does not show anything |
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| 11:08.43 | Argafal | question to the channel is: Is there ANY free software being able to reveal this text to me. i don't care if it is a floating box or some console text output, all i need is the comment (and probably the page it belongs to) |
| 11:08.55 | Argafal | but it seems ALL the pdfviewer miss that. |
| 11:08.59 | Argafal | kpdf and evince dito. |
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| 11:09.14 | icebrain | pdftotext? |
| 11:09.27 | Arrowmaster | Argafal: i see it |
| 11:09.55 | Argafal | icebrain: doesn't show it either. |
| 11:10.02 | Argafal | Arrowmaster: using which software? can you read the text? |
| 11:10.20 | lindi- | Argafal: mupdf claims to support all non-interactive features of pdf 1.6 i think. are comments interactive? ;) |
| 11:10.32 | Argafal | lindi-: didn't think so... but obviously..... |
| 11:11.23 | cahoot | Argafal: I see a comment box here in evince 2.28.2 |
| 11:11.45 | Argafal | cahoot: but can you see what the comment says? |
| 11:11.46 | Arrowmaster | i think this is evince, but yes i see the 'just an example of a comment box' |
| 11:12.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.45 | Arrowmaster | Document Viewer 2.28.2 aka evince |
| 11:12.52 | cahoot | same same |
| 11:13.00 | Argafal | awesome. so my evince must be too old to support it, let me try a newer version! |
| 11:14.28 | Argafal | Arrowmaster: cahoot WORKS :) |
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| 11:15.07 | Argafal | Debian: 1 Redhat Enterprise: 0 (Wtf, really, evince 0.6.0?!) |
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| 11:15.50 | icebrain | now I'm annoyed that epdfview doesn't show the text :| isn't that a libpopler instead of an evince feature? |
| 11:16.30 | Arrowmaster | there was a little box i could click to show the text window if i closed it but it was open by default |
| 11:16.33 | Argafal | folks thank you for your help. I will not ask for how to create them using free software (cause I will end up disappointed) but it is AWESOME to finally being able to read them! |
| 11:17.16 | Arrowmaster | Argafal: look at the properties for the file in evince, it says it was created from a LaTeX document |
| 11:17.42 | Argafal | Arrowmaster: yes, i created it. but the comment got added by someone i work with. |
| 11:17.51 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 11:17.57 | Argafal | Arrowmaster: they use Windows Acrobat software. |
| 11:18.09 | Argafal | which of course flawlessly does that stuff. |
| 11:18.34 | Arrowmaster | yes adobe and their so called 'open standard' |
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| 11:20.19 | lindi- | we should check if http://www.adobe.com/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf mentions comments and how |
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| 11:22.00 | Argafal | lindi-: i'm under the naive assumption that if someone can parse the comments from the pdf it shouldn't be so much harder to write them. |
| 11:22.04 | Argafal | but i might be wrong. |
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| 11:23.16 | lindi- | Argafal: comments are under "Interactive Features" |
| 11:23.25 | ePax | How do i add user to new primary group ? usermod -g group user? |
| 11:24.42 | Argafal | lindi-: yeah, 12.5 |
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| 11:30.12 | mischievious | how do i change the system hostname? |
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| 11:31.24 | redax | hm. in testing or squeeze why the heaven I cant specify bigger Start value than 19 |
| 11:31.38 | redax | at least if I do `update-rc.d myservice defaults 99 01' |
| 11:31.47 | ePax | mischievious: nano /etc/hostname ; change the name and save it ; reboot |
| 11:31.50 | icebrain | mischievious: "man hostname" -> " show or set the system's host name" |
| 11:31.52 | redax | it will create links with S19myservice and K01myservice |
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| 11:38.38 | mischievious | ePax, it doesn't work. my hostname appears as '(none)' in the login prompt from getty |
| 11:39.51 | ePax | mischievious: where you root when you have edited /etc/hostname? |
| 11:40.01 | ePax | type hostname only in terminal |
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| 11:40.28 | mischievious | root@(none):~# hostname |
| 11:40.28 | mischievious | (none) |
| 11:40.36 | mischievious | big surprise there |
| 11:41.15 | nkuttler | editing /etc/hostname won't change the hostname until you reboot |
| 11:41.30 | xk | hostname `cat /etc/hostname` |
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| 11:43.49 | mischievious | ok.. well, hostname now shows the right hostname |
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| 11:46.09 | Araneidae | I have grub2 on my MBR on two hard disks, but the boot on one of them is grub 0.97. |
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| 11:46.31 | Araneidae | That disk boots just fine ... but updates to the boot configuration aren't being picked up! |
| 11:46.59 | Araneidae | How can I fix this, without upgrading to grub2 on that system if possible? |
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| 11:47.31 | Araneidae | Is this even possible? |
| 11:47.51 | xk | you want to share config file, but retain grub versions? |
| 11:48.03 | Araneidae | I think so. |
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| 11:48.23 | Araneidae | But actually, it looks like I might be able to upgrade to grub2 on the second disk as well, which is probably better |
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| 11:49.32 | Araneidae | Ah. I think I see the problem: nothing is updating the grub.cfg file |
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| 11:50.16 | xk | menu.lst? |
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| 11:51.51 | Araneidae | menu.lst has the entries maintained by the system on my hd2, but it's not the list being offered by grub2 |
| 11:52.16 | Araneidae | Actually, I don't appear to have a grub.cfg, so I don't know where grub2 is getting its list from! |
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| 11:54.42 | lvh | hm |
| 11:54.53 | lvh | is there some way to get a laptop computer to behave like a USB mass storage device? |
| 11:55.01 | lvh | I realise the hardware, by itself, doesn't want to do that. |
| 11:55.30 | Araneidae | lhv, I suspect your biggest problem is the lack of a USB slave connector! |
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| 11:56.09 | lvh | Araneidae: does "connector" in usb-slang mean something other than a plug? |
| 11:56.11 | icebrain | lvh: there are slave-to-slave adapters. |
| 11:56.52 | Araneidae | lhv, the two ends of a USB cable are incompatible, but maybe icebrain knows more about this -- wasn't aware of adapters |
| 11:57.16 | Araneidae | presumably the adaptor has to do some protocol adapting as well... |
| 11:57.18 | icebrain | Araneidae: they have a chip which implements the USB Host |
| 11:57.33 | lvh | icebrain: nice. The goal is to get my laptop do serve its media files to my car, and my car understands usb mass storage |
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| 11:57.56 | Araneidae | Right: going to see if my grub2 works... |
| 11:59.08 | jelly | lvh: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ says your hardware needs to be capable of implementing a usb device instead of a host. I guess an adaptor + driver might qualify |
| 12:00.21 | lindi- | jelly: the only adaptors that i've heard of are pci devices |
| 12:00.23 | icebrain | lvh: sorry, I was thinking of something else - there are devices which can connect two slaves, don't know if there are those which can fake a slave |
| 12:01.15 | lindi- | jelly: meant for development |
| 12:03.12 | jelly | lvh: sounds like you'll have to use a proper usb mass-storage device instead of the laptop, then |
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| 12:05.37 | icebrain | there are "host-to-host" devices, but they don't seem to implement mass storage, only fake LAN. But it's probably a lack of proper drivers, not hardware |
| 12:05.37 | ishi | hello :) |
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| 12:06.39 | lindi- | icebrain: my guess is that they only support a few endpoints |
| 12:06.49 | lvh | ack, too bad |
| 12:06.58 | lvh | I'll ask the dealership, I can't be the first person to want this |
| 12:06.58 | lindi- | icebrain: so the hardware limits what usb devices you can make them appear as |
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| 12:07.13 | ishi | I'd like to create a debian repository (very 'local'). I've found http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository --- there are loads of tools that 'can do it'... The snag is, I'd like it to be *very* simple. |
| 12:07.30 | rvsjoen | define 'simple' |
| 12:07.43 | ishi | Say, I have about 30 packages... I dont need any authomatic system of uploading new packages or something |
| 12:08.04 | ishi | If I 'produce' a new deb, I could just copy it and overwrite the old one. |
| 12:08.15 | d1b | nn/win45 |
| 12:08.17 | lindi- | ishi: reprepro is very simple |
| 12:08.22 | ishi | I don't even know if such a simplistic approach is possible... |
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| 12:08.31 | icebrain | lindi-: it can probably be done, but only in hardware |
| 12:08.46 | lindi- | ishi: but of course you need to increment version number on upgrade |
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| 12:09.13 | medicineman | good mornin' all |
| 12:09.37 | icebrain | good morning, medicineman |
| 12:09.38 | ishi | hmm... do you mean the version number in the .deb file? Yes, I think I can manage :) |
| 12:09.54 | lindi- | ishi: version number of the source and binary package yes |
| 12:09.59 | ishi | lindi-: what 'put me off' is: Pro: Strict checking of what comes in, no database server needed. |
| 12:10.04 | jelly | !tell ishi about own repo |
| 12:10.29 | lindi- | ishi: reprepro does not use any special server, i just use apache |
| 12:10.52 | ishi | ok, will try :) |
| 12:10.54 | ishi | thx, |
| 12:11.30 | medicineman | anyone here know of an exchange connector that works w/ exchange 2k7 |
| 12:11.49 | ishi | jelly: I didn't want the 'trivial archive'... as it doesn't have 'apt-pinning' (whatever it is ;) ) |
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| 12:12.56 | jelly | ishi: it you don't even know what it is, why do you think you need it? |
| 12:13.47 | ishi | hell... I don't know :) --- only that the howto, I've found mentiones it as if it were something good ;) |
| 12:14.38 | ishi | I could google for apt-pinning to find out what it is, I thought that perhaps if there is an easy way of having it, perhaps I'd just install something *with* it :) |
| 12:14.43 | ishi | my mistake, I suppose :) |
| 12:14.49 | jelly | !pinning |
| 12:14.49 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:15.28 | jelly | ishi: if you want simple, use simple. |
| 12:15.36 | ishi | true :) |
| 12:16.23 | ishi | I've installed reprepro, though... I'll give it a go and if I fail to bring up a repository within 5', I'll use your method :) |
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| 12:38.08 | delby | hi there. i am using gnome on debian lenny. when i double click on a folder, it opens with just the name of the folder in the blue title line of the window. is there a way to configure it to include the path to the folder? sometimes i get confused if i have two folders with the same name in different locations. thanks. |
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| 12:58.31 | whatt | yeah I downloaded the 0116 iso |
| 12:58.33 | jelly | Devastator[work]: sorry? |
| 12:59.05 | jelly | Devastator[work]: grub 2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 12:59.14 | Devastator[work] | jelly, thanks! |
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| 13:00.27 | whatt | jelly, can I try installing the 0116 with ext4 support? |
| 13:00.57 | Devastator[work] | jelly, do I have to "update-grub" after I edit it? |
| 13:01.22 | jelly | whatt: the installer itself doesn't support ext4, you'll have to mkfs manually and possibly add some kernel boot parameters if you want ext4 |
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| 13:01.47 | jelly | !tell whatt about ext4 |
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| 13:03.03 | Sm0ke0ut | is there a way to make top hide all other processes of users, even when they want to? |
| 13:03.38 | xk | Sm0ke0ut: grsec. |
| 13:03.53 | Devastator[work] | I have to make a cleanup on those kernels.. |
| 13:04.03 | Devastator[work] | 5 kernels... for what?! :| |
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| 13:04.38 | jelly | Devastator[work]: if you use automatically added menu entries, edit /etc/default/grub rather than grub.cfg, and use update-grub |
| 13:05.07 | lvh | what's the "default" in /etc/default/* mean, anyway |
| 13:05.41 | Sm0ke0ut | Thank you |
| 13:05.58 | whatt | jelly, I'm not that happy with this solution. I think I prefer the usual ext3... |
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| 13:06.28 | jelly | whatt: ext3 is the safe option. |
| 13:06.32 | Devastator[work] | jelly, does this apply to lenny as well? |
| 13:06.34 | smhar | greetings |
| 13:06.49 | jelly | Devastator[work]: it applies to grub2 |
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| 13:08.30 | smhar | I have spare debian pc and a usb internet Huawei device. is it possible to turn this into a wifi hotspot? |
| 13:08.38 | Devastator[work] | thanks.. I didn't understand why 2.6.32-3 wasn't set as default, when aptitude installed 2.6.32-trunk it was set as default... |
| 13:08.38 | apt | gern geschehen, Devastator[work] |
| 13:08.44 | Vanscot | brb, x restart |
| 13:09.25 | whatt | jelly, but my /home now is ext4. If I backup my /home/ dir, format / and /home to ext3 and copy back the /home/ which problem can occur? |
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| 13:10.39 | jelly | whatt: /home will keep working as ext4, no need to reformat. |
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| 13:10.54 | jelly | whatt: use ext3 for your system, though |
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| 13:12.22 | whatt | oh I see. So I'm going to format my root in ext3 and install the 0116 inside. Can I normally install it using an usb key? |
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| 13:13.49 | smhar | how to turn a debian pc with and internet connection and a wifi card to a wifi hotspot? |
| 13:14.10 | lindi- | smhar: not all wifi cards support this |
| 13:15.12 | smhar | lindi-, how to tell? |
| 13:16.48 | lindi- | smhar: ask manufacturer? |
| 13:17.36 | jelly | whatt: there's a usb boot.img on the site that you dd onto a usb stick |
| 13:18.11 | smhar | lindi-, ok.. assuming I got one that supports this, how to configure debian for this? |
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| 13:18.55 | whatt | jelly, oh yeah found it. Thanks. So I just format the usb and dd the file onto? |
| 13:19.05 | lindi- | smhar: iwconfig <iface> mode master I guess |
| 13:19.21 | KinkyKam1kaze | Anyone know a way to setup an SFTP for a person, and have that person only READ ~/Movies and WRITE ~/Uploads. He can't SEE or DO anything else, not even ssh... |
| 13:20.12 | smhar | lindi, so no need for a server software or anything? |
| 13:20.15 | Devastator[work] | jelly, do you know why 2.6.32-3 kernel was not set as default in grub2 during install? |
| 13:20.26 | Titan8990 | KinkyKam1kaze: scponly in a jail maybe? |
| 13:20.32 | KinkyKam1kaze | huh? |
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| 13:20.37 | Devastator[work] | just curious tho, no need to answer right away |
| 13:20.48 | Titan8990 | KinkyKam1kaze: http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Buildings_Jails |
| 13:20.59 | lindi- | smhar: http://hostap.epitest.fi/hostapd/ is probably needed |
| 13:21.23 | lindi- | smhar: my ap runs openwrt svn and not debian so i'm not completely sure |
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| 13:21.52 | KinkyKam1kaze | Titan8990: Ugh thats advanced.. |
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| 13:22.25 | smhar | thanks lindi. I managed to setup my nokia N97 mobile as a hotspot, and my friend did the same in his iphone, I do not think my pc is any less capable of that |
| 13:23.21 | smhar | lindi-, I am thinking of getting myself a sheevaplug and make it as AP? |
| 13:23.30 | developer | Im trying to send a mail through my java program which I made. |
| 13:23.31 | developer | The error Im getting is javax.mail.MessaginException: 501 5.0.0 HELO requiers domain address. |
| 13:23.31 | developer | I have googled for it and it means that my SMTP server expects a hostname of the computer whois connecting. |
| 13:23.31 | developer | So I wonder how I could configure my /ets/hosts file for it. right now it's 127.0.0.1 localhost /n 127.0.1.1 we.wer.local we.wer.local |
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| 13:23.31 | lindi- | smhar: i don't know if it can be an ap |
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| 13:23.44 | Vanscot | Ok, I'm back.. |
| 13:23.49 | whatt | jelly, so I shouldn't have to backup anything if my home will be safe. I mean all my datas and program infos should be stored in the /home |
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| 13:24.18 | developer | wow hos do I use #spoon |
| 13:24.23 | smhar | lindi-, it has a wifi adapter and it runs debian.. so chances are good |
| 13:24.34 | developer | I meant #flood |
| 13:24.41 | lindi- | smhar: maybe |
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| 13:24.56 | lindi- | smhar: my openmoko has a wifi adapter and runs debian but does not support being an AP |
| 13:25.26 | Vanscot | So, like I said.. |
| 13:25.34 | Vanscot | I need some help with my keyboard layout. |
| 13:25.59 | Vanscot | I have an AAO, the keyboard seems like US-international.. |
| 13:26.15 | Vanscot | But no layout seems to nail all the keys.. |
| 13:26.45 | Vanscot | And the keyboard model is not listed in the system settings page for Country/Language |
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| 13:27.14 | Vanscot | (There is a Acer Laptop model, using it now, but still no fully functional kb) |
| 13:27.16 | themill | developer: don't write your question in advance as lots of short lines and then paste them into the channel. /msg dpkg enter. |
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| 13:27.57 | themill | developer: There should be a java way of determining the current hostname. ##java is more likely to know that #debian. |
| 13:28.25 | jelly | whatt: note that /var may be storing your mysql db data, mbox mail folders for local users, and oter stuff |
| 13:28.58 | themill | whatt: /msg dpkg stuff to backup |
| 13:29.19 | themill | whatt: err.... /msg dpkg things to backup |
| 13:29.45 | themill | !stuff me |
| 13:29.45 | dpkg | stuffs themill full of cookies until themill puts up a nice color of green |
| 13:29.48 | jelly | yum, otter stuff |
| 13:30.14 | jelly | er, s/yum/aptitude/ |
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| 13:32.16 | whatt | ok thx |
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| 13:35.54 | zokidimovski | hello to everyone |
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| 13:36.14 | zokidimovski | has anybody tried to install Debian on a SunFire T2000? |
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| 13:36.33 | zokidimovski | I've tried to install it but there is always some kind of a problem |
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| 13:37.01 | zokidimovski | the raid is ok, I can see the disks |
| 13:37.06 | jelly | !sparc |
| 13:37.06 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:37.18 | jelly | zokidimovski: you might want to try that channel ^^ |
| 13:37.30 | zokidimovski | thanks jelly |
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| 13:38.13 | zokidimovski | no one there :) |
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| 13:38.40 | zokidimovski | must be invited, bummer |
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| 13:39.05 | themill | zokidimovski: wrong network.... it's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:39.54 | zokidimovski | themill: thanks |
| 13:40.07 | ishi | blast it :( |
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| 13:40.34 | Javache | anyone wanting to look into this kernel panic when starting the installer? http://pastebin.org/119889 |
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| 13:51.10 | fat-lobyte | does anybody know why fglrx-glx wants me to install a virtual package called "fglrx-glx-ia32", which is not available in testing or unstable, even though I am on a i386 and not amd64 system? |
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| 13:55.49 | jelly | judd: versions fglrx-glx |
| 13:55.51 | judd | fglrx-glx -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-1 |
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| 13:58.08 | developer | Im trying to send a mail through my java program but I getting a javax.mail.MessaginException: 501 5.0.0 HELO requiers domain adress. After googling for it I suspect that one of my files in etc/ is bad configured |
| 13:58.13 | developer | any ideas? |
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| 13:58.48 | themill | ,archs fglrx-glx-ia32 sid |
| 13:58.48 | judd | fglrx-glx-ia32 in sid: amd64 (1:10-2-2) |
| 13:59.19 | xyan | developer: helo is a smtp command and as the error message tells its syntax is "HELO fqdn" |
| 13:59.22 | petemc | developer: is your java app doing smtp itself, or using /usr/sbin/sendmail ? |
| 13:59.25 | themill | fat-lobyte: sounds a lot like a bug in the package. Welcome to sid... |
| 13:59.52 | jelly | developer: is your hostname set correctly? |
| 13:59.59 | jelly | !tell developer about hostname |
| 14:00.48 | fat-lobyte1 | themill: so basically I can only wait until it's fixed by the maintainer? |
| 14:00.59 | themill | fat-lobyte1: or fix the package yourself and recompile it. |
| 14:01.07 | developer | Im actually using pentaho DI and when Im running it on my pc it works but gets the exception in debian |
| 14:01.12 | Zharf | themill, are you saying that lenny doesn't have bugs? |
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| 14:01.26 | valdyn | developer: try to send mail *without* java? |
| 14:01.30 | themill | Zharf: not bugs like that it doesn't. |
| 14:01.39 | fat-lobyte1 | themill: I suppose this is only a matter of a "depends" field in a control file, can you maybe point me to right config file? |
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| 14:02.00 | helo | #java |
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| 14:02.20 | themill | fat-lobyte1: "/msg dpkg package recompile" ; you probably need to change the dependency line in debian/control within the package |
| 14:02.34 | Zharf | themill, now that I looked at what the problem is, yes true... but still... people tend to think "stable" doesn't have bugs |
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| 14:02.58 | themill | Zharf: it has a stable set of bugs |
| 14:03.16 | Zharf | your definition of stable is different from mine |
| 14:03.27 | Zharf | but then, by my definition there is no stable software |
| 14:03.37 | themill | Zharf: that's debian's definition of "stable". |
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| 14:03.43 | Zharf | it's crap |
| 14:03.51 | jelly | Zharf: perhaps a realignment of definitions is in order |
| 14:04.10 | Zharf | jelly, I think debian would benefit from it |
| 14:04.17 | jelly | Zharf: no, u :-) |
| 14:04.20 | raccoon_ | question: how do you mark a package as manually installed (from alien source, not debian source repo), along with version numbers etc? |
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| 14:04.24 | Zharf | !u |
| 14:04.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:04.24 | themill | Zharf: it's the only workable definition of "stable" in software development. |
| 14:04.26 | developer | when I check the files hosts hostname mailname they look all correct to me |
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| 14:05.21 | valdyn | developer: so that java api is broken or youre using it wrongly |
| 14:05.25 | Zharf | themill, not really, if people would want to write stable programs, instead of being fast and trying to make it "usable"; but it would require building everything from scratch for starters |
| 14:05.25 | fat-lobyte1 | raccoon_: I just stumbled upon a tool called "checkinstall", maybe this is what you are looking for |
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| 14:05.37 | jelly | developer: oh, then just fix the app to provide a proper SMTP syntax when it sends mail |
| 14:06.07 | jelly | developer: (assuming you have the source) |
| 14:06.21 | fat-lobyte1 | raccoon_: alternatively you could play Debian Developer and patch and compile the package yourself, assuming there is allready a packaged (perhaps old) version in the repository |
| 14:06.27 | developer | ok I'll be back when I have googled some more |
| 14:06.32 | valdyn | developer: if that exception isnt lieing then your smtp server is just complaining about your java thing |
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| 14:07.59 | whatt | Hi I copied the .img file on the usb key with dd but it does not boot |
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| 14:08.06 | raccoon_ | fat-lobyte1: yeah, i've stumbled upon checkinstall the other week myself. that's a good solution, but i was curious if there's a quicker way of just saying "package X exists in the system, with version number Y.Z". instead of creating "real" packages for it :) |
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| 14:09.51 | fat-lobyte1 | raccoon_: I think that would involve messing with dpkg and apt-magic and not very safe. Again, you could try playing a DD and create virtual package for this purpose. Or not, just an idea... |
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| 14:10.38 | raccoon_ | fat-lobyte1: yeah, i'll probably go with virtual packages. that way i can keep track of the installed versions the same way i do with the rest of the system. thanks for the input :) |
| 14:10.50 | jelly | whatt: how exactly did you do it? |
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| 14:11.33 | whatt | usual dd if of |
| 14:12.05 | babilen | whatt: Please follow the "Easy Way" in the installation guide and *copy* the *file* to the usb stick, i.e. not it's content. You will have to zcat the boot.img first |
| 14:12.17 | babilen | !tell whatt -about usb install |
| 14:12.30 | fat-lobyte1 | weird, the Depends line only says: 'Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, fglrx-driver (= ${binary:Version})' but nothing about fglrx-glx-ia32 although the package definitely requires it |
| 14:12.33 | jelly | whatt: I'd like to see the actual command you ran, to check for obvious errors |
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| 14:13.09 | jelly | babilen: the .img file in question was from kmuto, and is the complete 512MB stick image |
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| 14:14.40 | babilen | ah, i did not find it in the backlog. But the procedure is the same IMHO, you'll download boot.img.gz, zcat that on the stick and then *copy* the ISO file over. But I'm obviously missing context, so pray continue |
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| 14:17.17 | jelly | yeah, except the netinst iso is already there so no need for that bit |
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| 14:18.02 | jelly | which is really the way Debian could have created the official usb image from the %^#$@ start |
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| 14:19.05 | babilen | jelly: agreed, just checked kmuto and wondered about the size of the boot.img.gz .. Still not much we can do without the actual commands given by whatt |
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| 14:20.28 | whatt | k now I did the zcat and I have a single file of 4k inside the stick |
| 14:20.37 | whatt | shall I copy the iso inside now? |
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| 14:21.14 | jelly | whatt: what _exactly_ did you do? |
| 14:21.17 | raccoon_ | whatt: mount the stick and copy the image file onto the root of it |
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| 14:21.34 | whatt | # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 |
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| 14:21.47 | raccoon_ | whatt: no, not onto sdb1. it should be onto sdb. |
| 14:21.52 | jelly | whatt: wrong, do it directly onto sdb |
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| 14:22.05 | jelly | whatt: make sure /dev/sdb1 is unmounted first |
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| 14:22.49 | jelly | whatt: the stick should be bootable after that, no need for additional .iso copying if you used kmuto's usb image |
| 14:23.02 | whatt | oh I read now |
| 14:23.13 | whatt | ok let's see what happens |
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| 14:25.34 | whatt | jelly, ok finished. Now it should work? |
| 14:26.11 | jelly | whatt: aye |
| 14:26.23 | whatt | k I hope :). Rebooting |
| 14:26.46 | jelly | hopes whatt sync-ed before unplugging the device |
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| 14:27.51 | ishi | hmm... I know it's not strictly-debianish questin... But is there a kind-of-sed, which works with fixed strings instead of regexpr? Say, I'd like to replace all 'foo' with 'goo/bar'. |
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| 14:28.54 | ishi | The snag is, that the 'goo/bar' is from user input, and it contains (or might contain) '/', so sed complains about unknown option to s |
| 14:28.57 | ishi | :) |
| 14:29.22 | wols_ | use perl |
| 14:29.23 | ishi | there is -F option for grep... I'd be happy with something like this for sed, but I couldn't find it in the manual... |
| 14:30.00 | babilen | ishi: You can use other characters for sed, "," for example |
| 14:30.21 | ishi | babilen: well... and if user gives ','? |
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| 14:30.27 | ishi | say: goo,bar |
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| 14:30.40 | babilen | ishi: "^" ;) |
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| 14:30.55 | ishi | oh... yeah... I should have thought about it myself ;) |
| 14:30.59 | wols_ | babilen: if it's printable ascii, users will enter it :P |
| 14:31.02 | ishi | thx! ;) |
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| 14:31.40 | ishi | I could escape all '/', but I'm not sure what else to escape ;) |
| 14:31.42 | babilen | ishi: Just wanted to let you know. It would help if you could specify your program .. It might really be a good idea to use something like Perl or Python for that .. |
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| 14:33.17 | babilen | bah - sed does not accept multi-byte characters as delimiter |
| 14:33.18 | ishi | babilen: oh... ok, I have a config file, and in it, I have a something like this <property name="password" value="foo"/>. Now, I'd like the dpkg to run config, which'd ask user about the password, and later take it and insert in the "foo" place. |
| 14:33.30 | Riviera_ | ishi: awk -v "a=foo" -v "b=goo/bar" '{ while (s = index($0, a)) $0 = substr($0, 1, s - 1) b substr($0, s + length(a)); print }' |
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| 14:33.39 | Riviera_ | ishi: and better don't have "goo/bar" contain "foo" :) |
| 14:33.51 | babilen | awk ftw :) |
| 14:34.06 | Riviera_ | ishi: if that would be needed (and awk is acceptable), join #awk :) |
| 14:34.39 | ishi | hoompf... I know awk, but I kind of hoped there is more hmm... elegant way... |
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| 14:36.00 | whatt | jelly, here I am again. It says that it's impossible to find an iso image. I can't go on for as an example a net install |
| 14:36.05 | babilen | ishi: Are you creating a package that uses debconf to configure itself, or have i misunderstood that? I would actually suggest to use a proper library for that. |
| 14:36.08 | Riviera_ | there's for example the "replace" tool |
| 14:36.21 | ishi | babilen: debconf |
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| 14:36.29 | Myth` | Debian netinst is telling me I need non-free firmware files to operate and lists 'bnx2-mips-06-4.6-16.fw' - How can I get this FW file? |
| 14:36.40 | ishi | Riviera_: there is? |
| 14:36.42 | babilen | !tel Myth` -about installer firmware |
| 14:36.52 | babilen | !tell Myth` -about installer firmware |
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| 14:37.03 | jelly | whatt: hmph, perhaps I was wrong and you really need to copy that .iso file on that stick |
| 14:37.04 | Riviera_ | ishi: yes, but it unfortunately comes with the mysql-server package. |
| 14:37.10 | ishi | babilen: a proper library for what? You mean a proper library instead of debconf? :) |
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| 14:37.19 | jelly | tries to find some ashes to cover himself with |
| 14:37.30 | babilen | Myth`: You can search for the package that contains that file on packages.debian.org and download it |
| 14:37.44 | whatt | jelly, yeah it's only 29 megs |
| 14:37.47 | Myth` | babilen> Sounds good. |
| 14:37.48 | ishi | checks with dpkg -S ;) |
| 14:37.49 | babilen | ishi: A proper library to write/parse/change that configuration file |
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| 14:39.00 | ishi | babilen: oh yeah... I kind of asked what is 'the proper library' for this... I googled for this as well... No luck ;) |
| 14:39.13 | ishi | I don't know how debian people handle xml configuration files ;) |
| 14:39.54 | ishi | I even thought of writting my own tool for this, but it's kind of overkill for a thing I have in mind ;) |
| 14:40.38 | babilen | !tell ishi -about mentors |
| 14:40.48 | babilen | ishi: they might know - i'll search a little too |
| 14:42.17 | Javache | kernel bugs when trying to install debian aren't fun :( |
| 14:42.18 | Javache | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=43;filename=debian.txt;att=1;bug=509202 |
| 14:42.42 | ishi | :) |
| 14:42.52 | ishi | connects to another irc server ;) |
| 14:42.53 | babilen | ishi: Take a look at ucf as well |
| 14:43.00 | babilen | ishi: connect to both ;) |
| 14:43.17 | ishi | babilen: yeah... I didn't say, I'm disconnecting ;) |
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| 14:45.03 | Myth` | babilen> Will netinst mount a ntfs flash drive and look for the files there? |
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| 14:45.50 | babilen | Myth`: Ugh, haven't touched MS filesystems in years. Not sure actually .. |
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| 14:53.04 | wols_ | Myth`: it won't autmoatically but there is a ntfs (read only) fs driver in the kernel so it can mount the partition |
| 14:53.14 | Myth` | wols_> thanks |
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| 14:55.13 | Serajewe1KS | babilen: it's a shame that ntfs is the only FS that works OOTB in windows and linux that is capable of holding files larger than 4gb |
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| 14:56.17 | petemc | and if you want to use files greater than 4 gig with a microsoft xbox 360, you have to use hfs! |
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| 14:57.20 | wols_ | petemc: xobx has a hfs filesystem driver by default? |
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| 14:58.07 | petemc | yes, for ipods |
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| 14:58.55 | arriesp | hi |
| 14:59.48 | ishi | oh what the fsck! I'll just add replace from mysql-server to my package ;) |
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| 15:03.20 | deufrai | [etch debootstrap] Hi there I just debootstrapped an etch system inside a Xen domU. After having updated my packet list, i wanted to install openssh-server and got this wrning "The following essential packages will be removed." > util-linux tzdata |
| 15:03.40 | deufrai | How can I get this machine going without util-linux if I go ahead ? |
| 15:03.41 | themill | deufrai: sounds like you have a mixture of etch and lenny there. |
| 15:03.51 | deufrai | and no, please, I cannot upgrade to lenny |
| 15:04.02 | deufrai | themill: I double checked my source.list |
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| 15:04.31 | themill | deufrai: can you please pastebin some more information for us: /msg dpkg bat |
| 15:05.02 | ubsafder_ | how can i install the kde-desktop on squeeze |
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| 15:05.43 | babilen | !tell ubsafder_ -about install kde4 |
| 15:05.47 | deufrai | themill: hang on |
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| 15:08.02 | TomyLobo | how do i enable the touchpad tap-to-click feature if gsynaptics breaks? |
| 15:08.42 | ubsafder_ | ok thanks i have disk space i am going for kde-full |
| 15:09.00 | deufrai | themill: my deepest apologies for the waste of time. My sources.list was indeed wrong. security mirror mentionned 'stable' and not 'etch' |
| 15:09.22 | TomyLobo | etch is oldstable |
| 15:09.29 | TomyLobo | emphasis on old |
| 15:09.50 | deufrai | I'd rather use absolute names here |
| 15:10.03 | TomyLobo | like i said, emphasis on old |
| 15:10.12 | themill | deufrai: ahh. that'll do it for you. But do understand that you are just installing a distro that has no security support and by this stage there are already known vulns in kernel, php, ... |
| 15:10.13 | deufrai | and yeah, I'm not allowed to upgrade that machine to lenny |
| 15:10.23 | babilen | TomyLobo: Which version of Debian are you using? Xorg input configuration experienced some changes. You would write a udev rule for that or use xinput/gpointing-device-settings to set them on the fly |
| 15:10.24 | TomyLobo | that is odd |
| 15:10.43 | TomyLobo | babilen squeeze |
| 15:10.45 | deufrai | I know all that, I simply can't upgrade that particular machine |
| 15:10.57 | TomyLobo | and it recently switched to gpointing-device-settings, yeah |
| 15:10.57 | deufrai | thanx for your time, guys |
| 15:11.01 | TomyLobo | that thing doesnt work |
| 15:11.11 | TomyLobo | and gsynaptics is gone |
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| 15:11.34 | babilen | TomyLobo: Take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce and http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint (the latter should give you an overview of the alternatives and the way they work) |
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| 15:11.53 | TomyLobo | touchpad, not trackpoint |
| 15:12.38 | babilen | TomyLobo: I know - The "configure input device" procedure is the same though - I just mentioned that webpage because it lists the alternatives these days |
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| 15:13.16 | babilen | TomyLobo: There was a thread on that on debian-user recently. Would you be interested in the udev rule posted there? |
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| 15:13.33 | amimusa | hello, i am tryng a new install of debian5, which sever could i set as the best from Spain ? |
| 15:13.34 | amimusa | thanks |
| 15:13.45 | TomyLobo | i'd be interested in that thread as well :) |
| 15:14.04 | babilen | TomyLobo: I haven't played with udev rules yet. used to configure it through HAL (yadda.fdi), but it is working as expected now and I had no need to switch to udev |
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| 15:14.13 | babilen | TomyLobo: Give me second |
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| 15:14.22 | jelly | how do I make pstree display a tree of parent process from my designated PID up to pid 1? |
| 15:14.30 | icebrain | amimusa: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:14.33 | jelly | (and nothing else) |
| 15:15.01 | icebrain | amimusa: just search for some university, they usually have nice connections |
| 15:15.04 | amimusa | i am in spain, but i am not sure if i could set another mirror that works better |
| 15:15.26 | TomyLobo | spain has no universities? :) |
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| 15:16.02 | babilen | TomyLobo: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/03/msg01451.html |
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| 15:16.12 | icebrain | amimusa: well, netselect-apt can test multiple mirrors and choose the best, iirc |
| 15:16.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly: -h doesn't do that, but it will highlight the line up |
| 15:16.30 | TomyLobo | babilen thanks |
| 15:16.31 | icebrain | amimusa: http://blog.mypapit.net/2008/01/find-fastest-debian-apt-get-mirrors-with-netselect-apt.html |
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| 15:17.54 | SerajewelKS | jelly: erm, nm, that does something else. it looks like pstree only supports descent into the tree, not ascent. |
| 15:17.55 | babilen | TomyLobo: you are welcome - hope it works out. As i said xinput/gpointing-device-settings work without problem here, and I actually like the "default" configuration, so I haven't had the need to dive into this. And I dislike that you have to learn CoolTechniqueOfTheDay twice a year to configure Xorg :) |
| 15:18.00 | jdahm | Has anyone installed cgit on debian? |
| 15:18.04 | icebrain | amimusa: but I usually use all my connection (10mpbs) when I download updates from local unis |
| 15:18.14 | jelly | SerajewelKS: just like my cat! |
| 15:18.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell jdahm about poll |
| 15:18.19 | babilen | jdahm: yes - If you need some numbers check popcon |
| 15:18.40 | SerajewelKS | jelly: wouldn't that be the other way around? :) |
| 15:18.56 | jdahm | I get the error cc: command not found, and I can't see where $CC is defined in the makefile |
| 15:18.58 | jdahm | just a question... |
| 15:19.03 | SerajewelKS | jelly: depends on how you look at the tree i guess |
| 15:19.09 | SerajewelKS | jdahm: install build-essential |
| 15:19.09 | jelly | SerajewelKS: climbs up from the root to the branches high, but can't go back |
| 15:19.20 | babilen | jdahm: Do you have build-essential installed? |
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| 15:19.33 | TomyLobo | the default seems to be "tapping and scrolling disabled" |
| 15:19.52 | SerajewelKS | jelly: ah, when i think of the process tree i see it horizontally, and consider descent to be going deeper into the tree's nodes, and ascent going up to the root. for a vertical tree with the root at the bottom, the terminology would be switched. |
| 15:20.19 | amimusa | icebrain, thanks big help yours |
| 15:20.44 | babilen | TomyLobo: Which is weird - because i used gpointing-device-settings once and it is working without a udev rule now. But I also execute gnome-settings-daemon in my session, so it might be configured by that :-\ |
| 15:20.58 | jdahm | eh, thansk! I thought I had that installed, but I guess since I reinstalled I haven't gotten that package yet |
| 15:21.09 | babilen | jdahm: :) |
| 15:21.51 | Myth` | babilen> Ok I made a ext3 USB flash disk, do I mirror the requested dir that was reported in the installer? It was asking for bnx2/filename.fw so I would make /bnx2/filename.fw on the usb disk? |
| 15:21.54 | TomyLobo | babilen are you using sid by any chance? |
| 15:22.31 | babilen | TomyLobo: Hell, no :) |
| 15:22.50 | TomyLobo | i'll try the daemon thing |
| 15:23.29 | babilen | Myth`: http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to |
| 15:23.56 | TomyLobo | hmm where do i put that? |
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| 15:24.35 | babilen | Myth`: But i guess that your approach works as well - Not sure if you really need to mirror the directory structure as I don't know how the "find firmware file" is implemented |
| 15:24.46 | Myth` | Got it. |
| 15:24.46 | TomyLobo | oh, did i mention i dont actually use gnome? :) |
| 15:24.47 | Myth` | Thank you. |
| 15:25.18 | babilen | TomyLobo: I don't use gnome as well, just some daemons |
| 15:25.59 | babilen | TomyLobo: I'll guess that the udev rule approach is the best. I would play with xinput first to figure out how you want to configure your touchpad |
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| 15:28.36 | babilen | Myth`: Ok, I've read the documentation and you can either place the .deb on an USB stick or the firmware file. It sounds as if you place these files into the root directory of the stick and debian-installer will search there |
| 15:28.57 | Myth` | Thank you good sir. |
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| 15:29.50 | babilen | Myth`: I would just download firmware-bnx2 or firmware-bnx2x (whatever card you have) and place it on the stick |
| 15:30.40 | babilen | Myth`: Make sure that you get a version that matches the installer. |
| 15:31.15 | babilen | Myth`: Because the one in stable is different from the one in testing/unstable |
| 15:32.13 | TomyLobo | babilen should whatever i set with xinput be effective immediately? |
| 15:32.43 | babilen | TomyLobo: yes |
| 15:33.20 | babilen | your question sounds as if that is not the case though :) |
| 15:33.51 | TomyLobo | ahhh it works now :) |
| 15:34.00 | TomyLobo | yeah the option is rather complicated |
| 15:34.00 | babilen | And there might be a different problem as well, because it is quite strange that gpointing-device-settings does not work for you |
| 15:34.07 | babilen | TomyLobo: yay! |
| 15:34.44 | babilen | TomyLobo: Happy tapping |
| 15:34.48 | TomyLobo | thanks |
| 15:35.20 | TomyLobo | thanks for the help as well :) |
| 15:36.17 | babilen | np |
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| 15:38.25 | Myth` | babilen> Well. No such luck. |
| 15:38.39 | TomyLaptop | xinput set-prop "\"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad\"" "Synaptics Tap Action" 8, 2, 3, 0, 1, 2, 3 |
| 15:38.52 | TomyLobo | complicated :) |
| 15:38.57 | babilen | Myth`: Luck? Computers don't work on the basis of "Luck" ;) |
| 15:39.02 | Myth` | hahaha |
| 15:39.08 | TomyLobo | babilen some do |
| 15:39.21 | babilen | Myth`: In other words: "What have you done and what was the result?" |
| 15:39.33 | TomyLobo | my old machine, for instance. it depends solely on luck whether the PSU or the monitor fails first |
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| 15:39.51 | babilen | TomyLobo: That looks horrible :-\ - Progress \o/ |
| 15:39.56 | Myth` | babilen> It's scanning the USB stick for the files but not finding it. I've tried placing the files in root and the dir it says its looking in and it keeps throwing "Load missing firmware from removable media?" |
| 15:40.37 | Myth` | should I put the tar gz in the root dir? |
| 15:40.56 | babilen | Myth`: Well, might be filesystem related. And you have placed the .deb file (with the correct version) on the stick? |
| 15:41.35 | Myth` | no I haven't. Wasn't sure where to get that. |
| 15:41.40 | babilen | Myth`: You might want to install the base system (don't select any tasks) and dpkg -i the firmware file after the installation. Or just start with CD1 if you don't get it to work |
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| 15:42.11 | babilen | Myth`: http://packages.debian.org -> search for firmware-bnx2(x) |
| 15:42.36 | Myth` | Thanks. |
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| 15:43.01 | Myth` | Definitely downloaded sid |
| 15:43.04 | Myth` | <idiot |
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| 15:43.14 | babilen | Myth`: Do you have the 10GB variant? If yes, you'll want the firmware-bnx2x package, if not the one without "x" |
| 15:43.24 | babilen | Myth`: hehe |
| 15:43.30 | babilen | !lart Myth` |
| 15:43.30 | dpkg | explains, ever so gently, that if Myth` doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 15:43.46 | babilen | dpkg: wrong - that was not the issue |
| 15:43.46 | dpkg | babilen: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 15:46.40 | hghgd_ | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1885625/screenshot.png i still need help with this |
| 15:46.50 | hghgd_ | not a video card issue |
| 15:47.20 | hghgd_ | happens in deluge, nautilus, gedit, geany |
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| 15:47.43 | Myth` | firmware-bnx2_0.14+lenny2_all.deb in the root of the USB stick didn't work. Gonna try unpacking it. |
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| 15:48.47 | jelly | hghgd_: could be a video card _driver_ issue |
| 15:49.01 | babilen | Myth`: Are you sure that you are using the stable installer? The firmware file you mentioned is in *sid* |
| 15:49.03 | cristi8 | i have problems unmounting a USB stick on lenny.. seems that nautilus keeps some files open. here are some outputs: http://paste.debian.net/65311/ |
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| 15:49.41 | Myth` | babilen> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:50.13 | hghgd_ | jelly definitely not, I tried radeonhd AND ati, issue remains |
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| 15:51.09 | babilen | Myth`: Which architecture btw? |
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| 15:51.30 | jelly | hghgd_: they could exhibit the same bug |
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| 15:51.39 | Myth` | babilen> EM64T dual quad xeons |
| 15:51.40 | babilen | Myth`: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bnx2-mips&mode=filename&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 15:52.06 | Myth` | Am I supposed to be downloading sid packages? |
| 15:52.07 | jelly | hghgd_: I'd ask for clues in #debian-x (irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:52.08 | babilen | Myth`: And the installer really mentions that exact filename? |
| 15:52.21 | Myth` | It says |
| 15:52.21 | babilen | Myth`: No - I'm just trying to figure out what is going on here |
| 15:52.23 | hghgd_ | jelly: I'll head over there, thanks |
| 15:52.37 | jelly | hghgd_: it's interesting that you were able to capture the issue with a screenshot. |
| 15:52.46 | steven43226 | Is there an easy way to list pacakges that have an upgrade availble, that's suitable for piping to another command ? |
| 15:52.47 | Myth` | The missing firmware files are : bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-4.6.16.fw |
| 15:52.57 | hghgd_ | it most likely is a gnome or gtk or X issue |
| 15:53.09 | hghgd_ | my guess at least |
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| 15:53.23 | babilen | Myth`: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist <-- listing for lenny. The file in there is "bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw |
| 15:53.51 | babilen | Myth`: the 4.6.16 one is in the sid package ... |
| 15:54.03 | jelly | Myth`: firmware-* from sid won't harm, it will only add more firmware files/paths, and support for newer kernels |
| 15:54.21 | babilen | Myth`: But i would just try it - it's a binary blob anyway ;) |
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| 15:54.55 | babilen | It's still strange that lenny's installer searches for a sid firmware file :-\ |
| 15:54.59 | jelly | Myth`: I've just installed some firmware-* 0.23 on a lenny machine to keep tg3 driver from a backports.org kernel fron complaining |
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| 15:57.38 | jelly | Myth`: haven't rebooted yet though :-) |
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| 15:58.25 | cristi8 | *: i have problems unmounting a USB stick on lenny.. seems that nautilus keeps some files open. here are some outputs: http://paste.debian.net/65311/ .. is there a way to safely unmount it without restarting gnome? |
| 15:58.28 | karlpinc | I am noodling around in initscripts and looked at the checkroot.sh script. It's job it to run fsck on root at boot. Upon casual inspection I notice that it takes pains to not start swap if the swap is on a file or lvm. (Which could be bad if there are regular swap partitions.) I'm wondering what's the problem with doing a "swapon -a" in all cases. Is it that you get spurious errors because the filesystem where the swapfile exists may not be mounted or |
| 15:58.45 | karlpinc | s/'// |
| 15:58.58 | whatt | jelly, here I am. Installed succesfully. Now I have obvious problems with the video card / screen resolution. I saved the X11 dir I had under ub ( I modified it after ubuntu installation some time ago ) |
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| 16:00.00 | jelly | whatt: good, I'll let someone else help with that |
| 16:00.16 | Myth` | babilen> Gotchya, I'll try the .deb from sid |
| 16:00.24 | Myth` | jelly> nice haha |
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| 16:01.10 | whatt | ok. Can someone help me out with the video card settings? I have 2 video cards on my notebook. I would like to use only the Intel one. How can I do that? |
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| 16:02.03 | karlpinc | whatt: Things to look at: What video driver packages do you have installed? (aptitude search ~ivideo; should list them, and probably some other stuff). If you have the right driver installed then you can reconfigure X with "X --configure". (Or maybe not, that could be wrong, but it's something like that.) |
| 16:02.50 | babilen | !xorg config lenny |
| 16:02.51 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 16:03.04 | karlpinc | whatt: If you don't have the right driver installed, then install one. (aptitude search xorg-video; for a list) |
| 16:03.14 | babilen | whatt: It would also help if you paste the *complete* /var/log/Xorg.0.log and give a description of what is going wrong |
| 16:03.27 | karlpinc | babilen: Thanks. (Only on - needed I see.) |
| 16:03.34 | whatt | karlpinc, I remember from ubuntu that there was a conflict ( it couldn't recognise which one was in use ) |
| 16:04.07 | karlpinc | whatt: I only know enough to poke X with a stick. Then it works for me and my brain resets. |
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| 16:04.27 | whatt | seems cool |
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| 16:06.48 | Myth` | babilen> It's a no go. What a nightmare... |
| 16:07.12 | icebrain | how can I add this repo to my sources? http://www.mithril-linux.org/~henrich/debian/package/netbeans/ |
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| 16:07.55 | icebrain | I ask because it's not tied to a single Debian version, so I don't know the sources.list syntax for those cases |
| 16:07.56 | babilen | Myth`: Still not working? Sid package on the stick? |
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| 16:08.17 | babilen | Myth`: I guess you need that NIC for the netinstall, don't you? |
| 16:08.24 | Myth` | sid deb on the stick |
| 16:08.28 | Myth` | Yep lol |
| 16:08.31 | babilen | Myth`: One second - i'll have to get out into the sun :) |
| 16:08.44 | wols_ | Myth`:sid installer? frm where, pray tell... |
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| 16:09.22 | Myth` | wols_> Stable netinst from CD. Additional Firmware from sid deb on usb stick. |
| 16:10.31 | babilen | wols_: The installer is searching for a firmware file that is included in the sid package only. Version mismatch with the lenny package |
| 16:10.55 | wols_ | babilen: how about kmuto kernel? that should work fine vis a vis version conflicts, no? |
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| 16:11.33 | babilen | yes, we were just trying to get the installer to recognise the firmware file or rather load the firmware |
| 16:12.34 | Myth` | babilen> I downloaded the source package. Should I follow the installer dir or the source package dir? |
| 16:12.45 | whatt | karlpinc, the xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed |
| 16:12.46 | babilen | Myth`: You can try a stable image with a newer kernel (/msg dpkg kmuto) or use a CD1 image to install the system and add the firmware later. Or just install a minimal system with the netinstall image and take it from there |
| 16:12.51 | Javache | debian installer is asking me to give him some non-free firmware files |
| 16:12.58 | Javache | but i can't seem to find a way to feed it to him |
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| 16:13.09 | babilen | Javache: Welcome to the club :) |
| 16:13.14 | Javache | usb-stick doesn't work, cd-drive won't eject during install |
| 16:13.23 | Myth` | lol |
| 16:13.25 | jelly | Javache: doesn't work? |
| 16:13.41 | babilen | Javache: Have you placed the deb on the stick? Is it searching for it? Which firmware file exactly? |
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| 16:13.46 | Javache | i insert the usb-drive, i click search |
| 16:13.51 | Javache | and after a while it returns |
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| 16:14.01 | Javache | babilen: i extracted the files from the deb onto the stick |
| 16:14.31 | babilen | Javache: It should work with the deb as well - I would try that too. |
| 16:14.53 | Javache | what filesystem should the stick have? it's fat32 now |
| 16:15.35 | torstefan | Hi, I'm experiencing something ultra weird with ping - http://pastie.org/881123 |
| 16:16.11 | torstefan | I get req, repl from a host in tcpdump but not in ping. |
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| 16:17.20 | babilen | Myth`: Don't use the source package, but the binary package |
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| 16:17.38 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 16:17.48 | johnfg | anyone here have experience with usbmount? |
| 16:17.50 | Javache | is to possible to get some sort of shell during the installer, so i can check if it mounts |
| 16:18.02 | babilen | johnfg: welcome back - and don't start questions with "anyone" :) |
| 16:18.11 | jelly | Javache: there's one on alt-f2 or alt-f3 vt |
| 16:18.54 | Javache | jelly: doesn't seem to work |
| 16:19.00 | johnfg | babilen, OK, is that too much like a poll? |
| 16:19.02 | Myth` | babilen> You mean the deb? |
| 16:19.18 | wols_ | Javache: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 16:19.27 | wols_ | Javache: if it doesn't work it's no debian installer |
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| 16:19.53 | johnfg | I installed usbmount and pmount, but after plugging in my flash drive it seems to only give permission to root. |
| 16:20.08 | Javache | nvm, it worked :) |
| 16:20.17 | Javache | i put the deb on the usb-drive |
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| 16:20.18 | johnfg | I've looked at usbmount.conf, but don't see any options somewhat like what would be in fstab. |
| 16:20.21 | khem_ | how do i use OpenSSL x509 to sign and create a client certificate from certificate signing request? |
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| 16:20.40 | jelly | khem_: you're a CA? |
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| 16:21.51 | Myth` | babilen> I noticed in data.tar.gz the dir structure is different from what the debian installer is telling me |
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| 16:26.48 | whatt | mmm I wanted to paste in pastebin my logs but the browser don't want to open |
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| 16:26.58 | \ottizen | Hello. I'd like to know how to install pear in php5/Debian. Any ideas? |
| 16:27.04 | babilen | Myth`: sure - just download the binary package (try sid and lenny) and place it on the stick. You could also try fat32 (that worked for Javache) - or use kmuto/CD1 to install |
| 16:27.47 | Myth` | Got it. Thanks for all your help. |
| 16:28.06 | babilen | !tell \ottizen -about search |
| 16:28.29 | babilen | \ottizen: You are looking for php-pear |
| 16:28.45 | babilen | \ottizen: Not that hard to find |
| 16:28.45 | \ottizen | babilen: I know, already installed. |
| 16:29.01 | babilen | \ottizen: Question answered then :) |
| 16:29.03 | babilen | !next |
| 16:29.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:29.13 | \ottizen | dpkg: no |
| 16:29.13 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
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| 16:29.15 | Abel | hi |
| 16:29.36 | babilen | hmm ... |
| 16:29.38 | Javache | now that the firmware is working, now to figure out why dhcp isn't |
| 16:29.41 | babilen | *shrg* |
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| 16:30.54 | Taev | can some one help me, I want to know if its possible to assign a higher bandwith priority to a program on my Linux server |
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| 16:31.11 | babilen | !tell Taev -about lartc |
| 16:31.15 | babilen | !tell Taev -about wondershaper |
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| 16:31.42 | unkmar | turns tail and runs around the room. |
| 16:32.37 | elsif | \quit |
| 16:32.38 | surf_ | can someone take a look over here? |
| 16:32.40 | surf_ | http://pastebin.com/7LtQKTdE |
| 16:32.44 | elsif | ooops |
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| 16:33.53 | unkmar | surf_: and the problem is? |
| 16:33.55 | babilen | surf_: What's the problem? |
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| 16:34.02 | babilen | surf_: it looks fine so far |
| 16:34.02 | surf_ | I can't change the resolution |
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| 16:34.33 | babilen | surf_: learn xrandr - or configure it through your DE. Do you want to use VESA? Which video adapter to you have? |
| 16:34.34 | Javache | wols_: btw, ctrl+alt+f2 doesn't work, might have something to do with the fact that i'm installing over a serial connection |
| 16:34.40 | Jef91 | The squeeze netinstall disc totally f***ed my partition setup when I installed it Help! http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50415 |
| 16:34.43 | babilen | Javache: ALT+F2 |
| 16:34.47 | wols_ | Javache: duh... |
| 16:35.01 | Titan8990 | Jef91: its testing... |
| 16:35.03 | babilen | Javache: disregard that :-\ |
| 16:35.06 | surf_ | babilen, I have an Nvidia G130 and an Intel. I want to use the Intel card |
| 16:35.07 | Javache | wols_: why is that duh? i'm not that familiar with serial |
| 16:35.30 | Jef91 | Titan8990 I'm aware of that, looking for suggestions on how to fix it short of reformatting... |
| 16:35.31 | wols_ | Javache: cause you have only one terminal. not many. when your debian is installed, look into /etc/inittab |
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| 16:35.54 | surf_ | babilen, lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:35.55 | surf_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 16:35.55 | surf_ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0a74 (rev a2) |
| 16:36.20 | Javache | wols_: right, that makes sense somehow |
| 16:36.22 | Titan8990 | Jef91: I would save yourself some time and just reformat. Don't install testing on anything you need to work or depend on |
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| 16:37.19 | Jef91 | Titan8990 I need newer packages, ones backports does not have. I didn't think something as basic as the partition would foobar on testing |
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| 16:37.29 | SYN4PS3 | I use debian lenny +vbox i want to make IP based networkin between guests(in vbox) , Any Idea? |
| 16:37.40 | Jef91 | Plus my internet is super slow. A new install takes several hours :( |
| 16:38.11 | surf_ | any idea? |
| 16:38.26 | SYN4PS3 | surf_: ? |
| 16:39.07 | surf_ | I can't change the resolution of my freshly installed debian |
| 16:39.32 | Titan8990 | surf_: usually an issue of vesa drivers being used. what type of card? |
| 16:39.38 | surf_ | lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:39.38 | surf_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 16:39.38 | surf_ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0a74 (rev a2) |
| 16:39.40 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 16:39.40 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a dozen starving hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 16:40.02 | wols_ | surf_: don't paste and especially don't repeat paste! |
| 16:40.15 | surf_ | yep I know sry |
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| 16:40.44 | Titan8990 | surf_: which of those two are you using? |
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| 16:41.22 | surf_ | I dunno that's the fact :) |
| 16:41.41 | Titan8990 | surf_: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:41.46 | mkultra | how can you redirect all dns requests to a single host? |
| 16:42.04 | wols_ | mkultra: you set this host as your dns server |
| 16:42.10 | Titan8990 | mkultra: you mean without it being recursive? |
| 16:42.15 | yuger | hi i m trying to install debian on my eee 1005ha ( wifi and eth0 not supported by default ) i m following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller but when i create usb bootable with "boot.img.gz" it give me less than 300 mb space left in usb and debian image is of ~ 700 mb and usb drive is 8 gb |
| 16:42.30 | surf_ | http://pastebin.com/gkEAQcvf |
| 16:42.48 | mkultra | wols_, Titan8990, I mean so that every dns request is directed to a single IP |
| 16:42.59 | wols_ | yuger: you use the netinst image |
| 16:43.00 | surf_ | I want to use the intel one |
| 16:43.13 | wols_ | mkultra: yes. you set this IP as your DNS server |
| 16:43.30 | SYN4PS3 | I use debian lenny +vbox i want to make IP based networkin between guests(in vbox) , there is not a host only bottumn like VMware!! solution? |
| 16:43.35 | yuger | wols_, as i mentioned eth and wifi is not working by default in lenny kernel |
| 16:43.37 | mkultra | basically a forced proxy |
| 16:43.47 | wols_ | yuger: and? |
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| 16:44.05 | yuger | i think netinstall requires internet acess |
| 16:44.10 | wols_ | yuger: you don't use the kernel on your 700MB iso or the netinst iso |
| 16:44.19 | wols_ | no it does not require network access |
| 16:44.37 | wols_ | and if you use the kmuto installer, then wlan and ethernet are supported |
| 16:44.44 | wols_ | !tell yuger about kmuto |
| 16:45.08 | Titan8990 | surf_: your using the intel chip. pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:46.08 | surf_ | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/VTBF26wx |
| 16:46.29 | surf_ | Titan8990, what if I delete that file? It should work the same |
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| 16:47.22 | Titan8990 | surf_: you can, but it looks like it already fails to auto-detect the intel chip. I might lack support. Is this a new laptop? |
| 16:47.48 | surf_ | yes. Ubuntu was working correctly on it before. What about using the nvidia chip? |
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| 16:48.03 | haohmaru | sorry my vpn died, please repeat what I missed |
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| 16:48.18 | haohmaru | uhh |
| 16:48.31 | mkultra | ok |
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| 16:48.52 | THZone | Hello folks. :) |
| 16:49.36 | THZone | http://imagebin.ca/view/irQ3a1D.html - I am trying to get the wireless card in my machine to act as a Wireless Access Point, and bind to eth2 (my LAN interface) so i can take advantage of the firewall/etc... utilities |
| 16:49.39 | THZone | can anyone help me? |
| 16:50.02 | wols_ | THZone: please go back to #ubuntu. thank you |
| 16:50.25 | Titan8990 | surf_: I am not sure the nvidia chip is even a GPU. Ubuntu likely worked because it has a newer xorg with newer intel drivers |
| 16:51.05 | wols_ | ,pciid 10ec:0a74 |
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| 16:51.06 | judd | [10ec:0a74] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:0a74 |
| 16:51.09 | Titan8990 | surf_: you can try squeeze (not recommended), live with vesa, or just use a bleeding-edge distro on that laptop until squeeze becomes stable |
| 16:51.09 | gadi | hello |
| 16:51.12 | wols_ | oops |
| 16:51.25 | wols_ | ,pciid 10DE:0a74 |
| 16:51.26 | judd | [10de:0a74] is 'GT218 [GeForce G210M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0a74 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 16:51.35 | gadi | can you help me? I have a new problem for me |
| 16:51.40 | wols_ | Titan8990: he needs a sid backport I guess but then it should work fine |
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| 16:52.01 | surf_ | judd, yeah that's the card |
| 16:52.01 | Titan8990 | wols_: I wasn't aware something like that could be backported |
| 16:52.01 | gadi | do_IRQ: 0.84 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
| 16:52.27 | Titan8990 | wols_: oh, the nvidia chip... but his Xorg.0.log says that it was using the intel chip |
| 16:52.31 | wols_ | why not? it's all a blob anyways |
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| 16:52.57 | mkultra | is this a valid bind entry? "* 14400 IN A 192.168.0.1" |
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| 16:53.21 | THZone | wols_: If I do, will you help me? :) |
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| 16:53.49 | surf_ | Titan8990, mmm so what shall I try? |
| 16:53.54 | surf_ | removing the xorg? |
| 16:54.23 | gadi | anyone can help me? I get do_IRQ: 0.84 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) at the moment to boot the system, and nothing more happens |
| 16:54.27 | wols_ | surf_: did you try xrandr? |
| 16:54.28 | Titan8990 | surf_: you can not alter the xorg version without destorying the system |
| 16:54.46 | mkultra | THZone, hostapd and bridge, not much to it |
| 16:54.59 | wols_ | mkultra: please help him in #ubuntu. he isn't running debian |
| 16:55.00 | surf_ | wols_, what do I have to do with that? |
| 16:55.03 | gadi | in recovery mode it says me "hda: lost interrupt" |
| 16:55.09 | THZone | mkultra: will that turn my wireless card into an AP? |
| 16:55.10 | wols_ | surf_: it's a way to change resolution |
| 16:55.15 | surf_ | I can say that ubuntu was workin correctly |
| 16:55.26 | surf_ | it says max 1024x768 |
| 16:55.30 | surf_ | which is not correct |
| 16:55.40 | mkultra | wols_, that's why I didn't elaborate :D |
| 16:55.43 | wols_ | surf_: well, look when ubuntu came out and when lenny did... and now check when you bought your notebook |
| 16:55.47 | gadi | is this a hardware problem? i'd tried to boot with Ubuntu 9.04 live and nathing |
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| 16:56.04 | wols_ | gadi: could be a kernel problem |
| 16:56.17 | surf_ | damn I bought it 1 month ago |
| 16:56.35 | surf_ | but many users told me that it was possible to install :/ |
| 16:56.47 | gadi | wols_, I'll have to reinstall? |
| 16:57.05 | wols_ | gadi: no. install another kernel. try one frm backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:57.05 | Titan8990 | surf_: it was possible to install... just not 100% functional |
| 16:57.16 | gadi | but if it wold be a kernel problem, ubuntu shold boot |
| 16:57.18 | surf_ | mmm I don't want to go back to ubuntu |
| 16:57.30 | wols_ | Titan8990: he did specify res and such in xorg.conf? |
| 16:57.41 | THZone | mkultra: may I PM you as to not upset the channel nazis? |
| 16:57.55 | Titan8990 | wols_: no, but it is falling back to vesa and that sounds about right for vesa's resolution limitations |
| 16:58.02 | gadi | wols_, I can't, the message appears in the moment of booting, after grub |
| 16:58.03 | mkultra | THZone, actually I'm dealing with problems on my own atm |
| 16:58.17 | wols_ | ah. so I guess he can either run squeeze or be SOL (or wait until squeeze goes stable) |
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| 16:58.27 | wols_ | gadi: you can boot a live CD, right? |
| 16:58.46 | gadi | I've tried Ubuntu 9.04 live, and it doesn't boot |
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| 16:59.01 | wols_ | gadi:but the debian CD did boot? |
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| 16:59.25 | gadi | among others problems, the liveCD says something of irq too |
| 16:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | surf... ah, gorn |
| 16:59.55 | gadi | I have not tried the Debian CD |
| 17:00.02 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: changed nicks to whatt |
| 17:00.07 | gadi | you think its a software problem? |
| 17:00.07 | wols_ | well, you must have installed debian somehow? |
| 17:00.09 | whatt | Titan8990, I can tell that I had the same problem under ubuntu then deleted the xorg.conf and everything works |
| 17:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, right |
| 17:00.25 | gadi | wols_, yep, some years ago :P |
| 17:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, do you think it needs a newer xorg or could a newer kernel(module) do? |
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| 17:00.41 | wols_ | gadi: and the problem started how long since you upgraded the kernel? |
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| 17:01.04 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: I am not sure... would probably want to see it hard-coded for intel first in xorg.conf, to see how it fails |
| 17:01.13 | Titan8990 | but I have to grab some lunch now |
| 17:01.19 | gadi | wols, I use 2.6.30 long ago |
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| 17:01.52 | gadi | the times that I proved 2.6.32 it didn't work for me, and removed it |
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| 17:01.56 | Thoric | The box said "Requires Windows xp or better." I can't understand why it won't work on Debian. |
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| 17:03.23 | gadi | wols_, 2.6.30-2 |
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| 17:04.03 | wols_ | gadi: can you finally please answer my question? |
| 17:04.37 | Thoric | seriously though. Propellerheads Reason 4.0 will not work. I'm wondering if anyone maybe here has any idea as to how I might run a Windows/prog without vm. |
| 17:04.58 | gadi | the problem appeared today, when booting the system |
| 17:05.02 | Thoric | without vm and/or w.i.n.e. as it doesnt work in w.i.n.e. |
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| 17:05.31 | wols_ | obviously you can't. oh well. |
| 17:05.44 | dkr | Thoric: no way to if you exclude those two options |
| 17:05.53 | whatt | I actually dunno what to do |
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| 17:07.30 | wols_ | whatt: have you ocnsidered running squeeze? |
| 17:07.37 | Thoric | it also runs on OSX.. aside from the hackintosh rout, VM or otherwise, is there some manner i can run mac software? |
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| 17:07.48 | surf_ | any idea_ |
| 17:07.50 | surf_ | ? |
| 17:08.04 | gadi | wols_, forgive me, i've tried to answer your question |
| 17:08.12 | gadi | if you think its a kernel problem |
| 17:08.18 | gadi | i'll try to do something more |
| 17:08.22 | gadi | thanks anyway |
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| 17:08.35 | surf_ | what about installing the nvidia drivers_ |
| 17:08.36 | surf_ | ? |
| 17:08.50 | wols_ | according to you it ran for quite some time, then suddenly it doesn't anymore without changing software. what do you think it is? |
| 17:09.38 | wols_ | whatt: which files did you download from kmuto? urls please |
| 17:09.43 | maxtsepkov | I'm experiencing a mystery. My apache overwrites site encoding, just like there is "AddDefaultEncoding" set. But it's NOT! I did "grep -Ri /etc/apache2" and nothing. Even if I set it in .htaccess it doesn't have effect. AllowOverride all, yes. Any thought people? My brain hurts already |
| 17:10.19 | gadi | thanks |
| 17:10.45 | maxtsepkov | the site encoded in windows-1251, I sent proper header from php, html set http-equiv too, but server send text/html;charset UTF-8 |
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| 17:16.20 | Titan8990 | maxtsepkov: #httpd |
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| 17:17.18 | surf_ | I have a problem with the screen resolution. Fresh install debian kernel 2.6.32. |
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| 17:17.39 | wols_ | surf_: we know that already :) |
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| 17:18.06 | wols_ | surf_: let me guess you have a i3 CPU? |
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| 17:18.11 | surf_ | no |
| 17:18.12 | surf_ | ulv |
| 17:18.21 | surf_ | SU9400 |
| 17:18.49 | surf_ | I just cannot understand why before everything was working properly with ubuntu |
| 17:18.55 | maxtsepkov | Titan8990: thanks |
| 17:18.59 | surf_ | talkin about video |
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| 17:19.49 | Titan8990 | I thought you were running lenny... but I was just going off of the xorg version in your log |
| 17:20.10 | gadi | wols_, i've reboot the PC and the problem didn't return, it seems joke |
| 17:20.17 | gadi | thanks one more time for your help |
| 17:20.22 | gadi | bye |
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| 17:21.24 | wols_ | Titan8990: he is using lenny I guess. with kmuto installer |
| 17:21.25 | shanepardue | I have a machine that remains powered for days until I try to image/clone it. It will then power off halfway through..tried both partimage and clonezilla |
| 17:21.34 | surf_ | wols_, yes |
| 17:21.39 | shanepardue | Any clue what could cause this? |
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| 17:21.52 | wols_ | surf_: I told you before: look when lenny was frozen, look when the hardware you have came out. then think really really hard |
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| 17:22.12 | surf_ | mmm what about newer kernels? |
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| 17:22.15 | Titan8990 | shanepardue: CPU overheating maybe? |
| 17:22.31 | surf_ | wols_, ok so which distribution shall I try? |
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| 17:22.38 | surf_ | apart from ubuntu |
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| 17:23.22 | Titan8990 | fedora, opensuse, sidux. some bleeding-edge examples |
| 17:23.26 | Titan8990 | !based on debian |
| 17:23.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 17:23.43 | Titan8990 | hmm, we don't get a "based on debian" list? |
| 17:23.45 | wols_ | personally, I'd use squeeze. which I told you before about |
| 17:23.46 | shanepardue | Titan8990: hmm..I check for that. Thanks |
| 17:23.52 | wols_ | but you can do whatever the heck you want |
| 17:24.01 | surf_ | I tried fedora 64 and it had kernel panic when booting |
| 17:24.24 | Titan8990 | fedora is one of the more unstable bleeding edge distros |
| 17:24.37 | Titan8990 | squeeze likely would be better.... |
| 17:24.41 | surf_ | ok |
| 17:24.53 | surf_ | I need to create an usb key for squeeze |
| 17:24.54 | surf_ | now |
| 17:25.01 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 17:25.21 | surf_ | why |
| 17:25.28 | wols_ | cause you already run debian |
| 17:25.29 | Titan8990 | !tell surf_ about stable->testing |
| 17:25.33 | xyan_ | su9400 does not support em64t |
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| 17:26.10 | sidux | hi All |
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| 17:26.17 | yuger | do i need to enable bootable flag on root partition during installation ? |
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| 17:26.24 | surf_ | so i386 is better? |
| 17:26.25 | wols_ | xyan_: Penryn-3M" (ultra-low-voltage, 45 nm, Small Form Factor) |
| 17:26.25 | wols_ | * All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology (EIST), Intel 64, XD bit (an NX bit implementation), |
| 17:26.30 | xyan_ | hates intels sSpec search |
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| 17:26.42 | wols_ | xyan_: pro tip: en.wikipedia.org |
| 17:26.51 | wols_ | yuger: no |
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| 17:27.07 | sidux | i need to install grub ( running from a live cd ) on the internal drive of my laptop |
| 17:27.25 | xyan_ | wols_: http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SLGHN <- didnt list em64t at the supported features column there which it usually does |
| 17:27.28 | sidux | after chroot inside it, i have to run grub-install |
| 17:27.30 | Titan8990 | sidux: for which distro? |
| 17:27.38 | sidux | debian sid |
| 17:27.43 | sidux | i-m on a mac |
| 17:27.44 | Titan8990 | not sidux? |
| 17:27.47 | yuger | wols_, than on wat partition i ill need to enable bootable flag ? , i think linux ill not able to boot without bootable flag |
| 17:27.58 | wols_ | surf_: what are you currently running? amd64 or i386? |
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| 17:28.04 | surf_ | amd64 |
| 17:28.04 | wols_ | yuger: on none |
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| 17:28.16 | wols_ | xyan_: satisfied now? |
| 17:28.21 | Titan8990 | !sidux |
| 17:28.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:28.31 | xyan_ | wols_: sure :--) |
| 17:28.39 | wols_ | Titan8990: he is trying to rescue his grub on his debian sid |
| 17:28.42 | wols_ | !grub reinstall |
| 17:28.47 | surf_ | wols_, shall I try this squeeze_ |
| 17:28.48 | surf_ | ? |
| 17:29.02 | wols_ | surf_: Titan8990 gave you a factoid about upgrading to testing. do it |
| 17:29.04 | sidux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.14 | wols_ | !tell sidux about reinstall grub |
| 17:29.27 | sidux | where sda3 is the partition where i have sid |
| 17:29.56 | wols_ | cause you do grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:30.19 | sidux | maybe i have to run grub-install /dev/sda without "3" ? |
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| 17:30.37 | Titan8990 | thats what the error message indicated, and what wols_ just said... |
| 17:31.08 | wols_ | Titan8990: he runs sidux right now. just think how many IQ points that steals on bootup.... *shudder* |
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| 17:32.34 | surf_ | wols_, so I should add s/lenny/squeeze/ to the sources.list? |
| 17:33.17 | wols_ | no. you replace lenny with squeeze |
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| 17:36.02 | surf_ | ok it is updating |
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| 17:36.51 | sidux | thanks to hel guys |
| 17:36.59 | sidux | *help |
| 17:37.11 | sidux | reboot crossing his fingers |
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| 17:37.21 | Myth` | babilen> Are you still around? |
| 17:37.23 | mischievious | psh |
| 17:37.28 | mischievious | why reboot when you can kexec |
| 17:37.32 | babilen | Myth`: hehe |
| 17:37.38 | mischievious | rebooting is so 1993 |
| 17:37.39 | Myth` | Well. I got it to install. |
| 17:37.46 | themill | mischievious: precisely how does that help test your grub setup? |
| 17:37.52 | Myth` | Now, when I go to boot I'm getting "Missing operating system" :( |
| 17:37.56 | babilen | Myth`: It eventually loaded the firmware? |
| 17:38.01 | wols_ | themill: faith based bootloader installing |
| 17:38.04 | Myth` | Yes it did, |
| 17:38.13 | babilen | Myth`: How? (I'm just curious) |
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| 17:38.34 | babilen | !tell Myth` -about fixmbr |
| 17:38.41 | mischievious | themill, i guess an unfortunate side effect of kexec |
| 17:38.45 | mischievious | or maybe fortunate |
| 17:38.55 | babilen | Myth`: Have you installed grub? |
| 17:38.57 | Myth` | Couldn't tell ya. I got fed up and included deb/source/bin from sid and stable as well as extracting each to every directory I could think of. |
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| 17:39.07 | Myth` | I thought it did, that's the last step of the install right? |
| 17:39.27 | Myth` | It's installed to an SAS disk. |
| 17:39.39 | Myth` | Server is : dell poweredge 1950 |
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| 17:40.33 | babilen | Myth`: dpkg just told you how to fix the mbr. |
| 17:40.52 | Myth` | Got it. I'll have a look. |
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| 17:42.26 | Myth` | babilen> I mount -t ext2 even if the FS is ext3? |
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| 17:43.01 | babilen | Myth`: Yes - ext2 is just ext3 without journal. But you can mount it journaled as well |
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| 17:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | So what we have here is a disk with a mix of stable and sid, files installed randomly, and we're wondering what will happen if grub manages to boot to it? |
| 17:44.22 | babilen | Myth`: And you will have to adjust the /dev/hda path to your system (/dev/sda ??) |
| 17:44.54 | Myth` | babilen> Gotchya. Thanks! |
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| 17:45.22 | babilen | Myth`: You really have a tough time with that install :-\ |
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| 17:45.39 | Myth` | It's just part of the process aha |
| 17:45.56 | Myth` | Troubleshooting for hours BEFORE the OS is installed. I guess it's the geek in all of us. |
| 17:46.14 | mkultra | if anyone is interested, I finally found what I was looking for: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/491264-mini-fake-dns-server/ |
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| 17:49.21 | Myth` | babilen> mount is returning 'invalid argument' - mount -t ext2 /dev/sda ; mount --bind /dev /temporary/dev |
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| 17:49.56 | Myth` | Whoops |
| 17:50.10 | Myth` | mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /temporary ; mount --bind /dev /temporary/dev |
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| 17:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: why are you making this so hard on yourself? Do ONE command at a time. |
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| 17:51.37 | orkam | Hi |
| 17:51.38 | Myth` | I did, same error. |
| 17:51.50 | Myth` | That's why I combined them, I thougth that needed to be done. |
| 17:51.54 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: FOR WHICH COMMAND? |
| 17:51.59 | Myth` | First. |
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| 17:52.03 | Titan8990 | Myth`: mount -o bind /dev/ /foobar |
| 17:52.34 | CompWizrd | sda? that seems a bit unusual.. |
| 17:52.42 | CompWizrd | no partitions? |
| 17:52.45 | Titan8990 | Myth`: also, your trying to mount a disk instead of a partition |
| 17:53.22 | Myth` | I didn't realize I needed to mount a partition. |
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| 17:53.42 | Myth` | dpkg - mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target |
| 17:53.42 | dpkg | Myth`: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:53.48 | Myth` | Specifics :) |
| 17:53.49 | orkam | To make a remote server accessible from the outside I did:1) apt-get install openssh arno-fw (or so) 2) edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf => changed port edit /etc/arno-fw/debian.cfg => open that port 3) restarted openssh and fw => connection timeout. Did I forget s.th.? |
| 17:54.32 | wols_ | orkam: netstat -plunto|grep <port of your ssh> |
| 17:55.13 | Titan8990 | arno-fw? is that in debian? |
| 17:55.16 | orkam | I can't chet ich right now, wols_ 'cause the server is real remote and I'm at home now :( |
| 17:55.17 | Titan8990 | judd: versions arno-fw |
| 17:55.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'arno-fw' was found. |
| 17:55.31 | orkam | Titan8990: yea, means: arno-iptables-firewall |
| 17:55.47 | orkam | that's why I added (or so) |
| 17:56.31 | orkam | I opened a second port for another app. that's working, so I assume my fwconfic is ok |
| 17:56.34 | Titan8990 | so how do you expect us to help if you can't work on the machine? |
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| 17:57.00 | orkam | Titan8990: just with answering my q: Did I forget anything? |
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| 17:57.48 | Titan8990 | orkam: there is no package called openssh. are you sure you installed openssh-server? |
| 17:58.01 | orkam | yea, thats it |
| 17:58.06 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: Get it working on the normal port first? |
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| 17:58.18 | orkam | that's why I found the /etc/ssh/sshd.conf |
| 17:58.21 | Cain | p |
| 17:58.29 | Cain | (oops) |
| 17:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: arno-fw is fairly obscure. |
| 17:58.32 | orkam | jhutchins_lt: I will not try 22 on that machine :) |
| 17:58.56 | orkam | jhutchins_lt: is it? is there another lightweight easy-to-configure fw? |
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| 17:59.09 | Titan8990 | iptables would be the most well supported |
| 17:59.11 | wols_ | what do you need a firewall for? |
| 17:59.14 | jelly | judd: versions sun-java6-jre |
| 17:59.15 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6-16-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6-17-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-3 |
| 17:59.23 | orkam | wols_: protecting my machine? |
| 17:59.35 | simonrvn | wols_: because bill gates told him so |
| 17:59.42 | wols_ | orkam: that alone disqualifies your installing any iptables frntend... |
| 17:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: A firewall should run on a dedicated device upstream of the server. |
| 17:59.55 | wols_ | heck, running any server at all |
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| 18:00.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | na, na |
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| 18:00.40 | orkam | wols_: the machine is open as anything to the world. I do not want it to do ping replies nor listen to any port except that ones I define (which are non-standard ones) |
| 18:00.46 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: you don't always get the privledge of owning other boxes on the network |
| 18:01.06 | wols_ | Titan8990: you don't open ports you don't want open. period |
| 18:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: You can still put your firwall upstream. |
| 18:01.17 | simonrvn | nanana-na, nanana-na, nanana-na, hey hey hey, gooo-d byyyye! |
| 18:01.30 | orkam | like it is a directly connected to a T1 Networt w/o physical fw I better close anything I don't need to be open |
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| 18:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: Ports that you do not open (by installing software you don't understand) aren't open by default. |
| 18:01.40 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I would I do that for say... my VPS? |
| 18:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: Or get a decent firewall. |
| 18:02.20 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: If your vps isn't firewalled, you're paying your ISP too much. |
| 18:02.21 | orkam | jhutchins_lt: s which one (software) do you suggest? |
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| 18:02.35 | simonrvn | orkam: um, ping replies are useful. why would you disable that? if you're worried about ping floods, put your gd 'firewall' on another machine and throttle pings like a sane person. |
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| 18:02.44 | jhutchins_lt | orkam: I use iptables directly, or occasionally use shorwall if I need a flexible configuration. |
| 18:02.47 | wols_ | orkam: none really. maybe brain 1.0. that's it |
| 18:02.51 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I mean... at my house I have a dedicated firewall box using openbsd PF, but with the VPS, I do not get that kind of control |
| 18:03.09 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: what does my ISP have to do with my VPS? my ISP does not allow me to host services |
| 18:03.20 | orkam | ok, I'm wasting my time here. Thanks for elping so long |
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| 18:03.37 | wols_ | he was wasting HIS time? |
| 18:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: isp in this case inclusive of hosting providers, hosting being an "internet service". |
| 18:03.51 | simonrvn | ork..BAH no, you're just a newb with preconceived ideas about things |
| 18:04.13 | simonrvn | !lart orkam |
| 18:04.13 | dpkg | pours gasoline all over orkam, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 18:04.51 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I am just saying... I only use iptables on my server to block specific clients and IP blocks, but I do not understand what you are telling me is an alternative |
| 18:05.47 | Titan8990 | other than getting a hosting provider thats also provides me with a dedicated external firewall box.... |
| 18:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Whoever is hosting your VPS should be providing an intelligently managed firewall. |
| 18:06.25 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: that I can administer? |
| 18:06.33 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: with things like a VPS you pay your provider not to fuck with your things |
| 18:06.33 | jhutchins_lt | Is your VPS just completely exposed to raw internet? |
| 18:06.52 | wols_ | if you want him to, you use a managed server |
| 18:06.57 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Not necessarily that you can administer, but their internal network should be protected competently. |
| 18:06.58 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 18:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | predicts many botnets using that hosting company. |
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| 18:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | My hosting company has external firewalls and firewalls between segments of their internal networks. |
| 18:08.32 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: they could have that stuff... but it is transparent to me, the end user of the service. |
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| 18:08.52 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: AFICT my box is fully exposed |
| 18:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | SMC, Linksys, DLink all make firewall appliances. |
| 18:09.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: what exactly do these firewalls do? Other than allow through everything so you can do anything on the machine |
| 18:09.29 | Titan8990 | I get a serial console with no web panel, and still having trouble grasping how it work another way... would I need to ask them to recognfigure their firewall when I want to deploy a new service? |
| 18:09.54 | wols_ | themill: the only thing I can think of is DDOS protection or such |
| 18:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Generally they prevent external clients from establishing connections except for designated services. |
| 18:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | They allow you to connect out, they allow traffic for an established connection. |
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| 18:10.58 | wols_ | so before I can install a httpd I have to ask my hosting provider? |
| 18:10.59 | themill | so it's pretty minimal protection against all the things that call home and download the payload |
| 18:11.00 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: and this is a "managed" service? |
| 18:11.15 | Titan8990 | wols_: exactly my thoughts.... |
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| 18:11.21 | themill | (which seems to be a good portion of trojans etc) |
| 18:11.43 | jhutchins_lt | themill: It does limit the usefulness of the payload. |
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| 18:11.58 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I think we are possibly talking about managed vs. unmanaged VPS's |
| 18:12.19 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not if the payload is a spam sending one that just collects jobs and then sends things out. |
| 18:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: When you set up your hosting, you tell them "I'm running mail, httpd, https, ssh, and query-only ntpd. |
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| 18:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, and I'll need to resolve external DNS. |
| 18:13.00 | wols_ | that is called a "managed" server. and almost always you don't have root on it |
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| 18:13.14 | wols_ | not what your typical VPS or rootserver is |
| 18:13.23 | wols_ | a LOT more expensive too |
| 18:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Actually, I own the boxes and don't use VPS, but even so. |
| 18:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: If my http/db server suddenly starts sending mail, it's not going to go anywhere. |
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| 18:14.36 | jhutchins_lt | They know I know how to run a mail server, if I didn't I wouldn't be running one on their net. |
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| 18:15.13 | kujed | hi, I have a question about backup tools. Exists a backup program for linux that allow me make backups while I'm runnig the system? At the moment the best backup tool I tried is Clonezilla but I need to restart the server everytime I need to do that |
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| 18:15.54 | jhutchins_lt | just realised we were in this channel, will listen in offtopic for further discussion. |
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| 18:16.08 | wols_ | backing up a live filesystem has problems kujed |
| 18:16.15 | wols_ | you can remount ro and then backup |
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| 18:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | kujed: It depends what you're backing up, there are ways to do it for most situations. |
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| 18:16.39 | emerica | Debian net installer reboots machine when configuring the network devices, detect fine |
| 18:16.42 | jhutchins_lt | kujed: If you have a live database or live mail you need special provisions. |
| 18:17.03 | kujed | jhutchins_lt,wols_ right |
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| 18:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | kujed: So in order to give you a more specific answer, we'd have to know what the system is running. |
| 18:17.40 | Titan8990 | wols_: I have done multiple backups of live filesystems and restorations. The only files I have ever had trouble with in this has been mysqldb files (which I had dumps for anyways) |
| 18:18.35 | kujed | jhutchins_lt wols_ the idea was to backup the whole OS (it's a debian lenny) |
| 18:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: We used to just tar the db files and we could restore from them. |
| 18:19.19 | rgr | kujed: cp -ar works fine. |
| 18:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | kujed: "The whole OS" doesn't tell us what that OS is doing. |
| 18:20.05 | kujed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.05 | Titan8990 | rgr: if hes not backing up to something mounted on the filesystem... |
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| 18:20.40 | Titan8990 | rsync -av --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media |
| 18:20.45 | rgr | oh yes true. there is the issue with ignoring mounts if you go that simple. |
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| 18:21.01 | kujed | rgr with cp you can clone a disk? |
| 18:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | kujed: Ok, for that you can mostly just use a file copy program. |
| 18:21.05 | rgr | yes |
| 18:21.37 | rgr | there are oodles of howtos all disagreeing with each other. I found cp worked just fine a while back. |
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| 18:21.55 | Titan8990 | kujed: if your webserver runs a mysqldb, like we said earlier, the db files may or may not restore so you will want to dump your databases prior to the file backup |
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| 18:24.09 | Myth` | babilen> is it possible that the sas controlled just doesn't like grub? |
| 18:24.16 | Myth` | controller* |
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| 18:24.44 | kujed | Titan8990 wow, wow, wow. Maybe you not understand me. I think once in the idea to dump databases and copy every file, but the other way I need backup the functional SO like I did until now with Clonezilla. So, if exist any problem I can restore it without problem (all the Debian with filesystems, DBs and files). |
| 18:25.19 | jhutchins_lt | amanda, bacula, lcr, duplicity, flexbackup, etc. |
| 18:25.41 | babilen | rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, ... |
| 18:25.55 | kujed | jhutchins_lt ok, i'll try |
| 18:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | O'Reilly has a whole boock about backups, but it's not really worth the bother. |
| 18:26.07 | babilen | Myth`: I have no experience with dell poweredge 1950 (?) hardware. It could be that you need a newer kernel, but I wonder why it does not boot at all. You might also want to check your menu.lst and make sure that it is correct |
| 18:26.19 | babilen | Myth`: I'll be back later - dinner :) |
| 18:26.32 | Myth` | babilen> Enjoy! Thanks for all the help |
| 18:26.34 | babilen | !tell Myth` -about kmuto |
| 18:26.48 | babilen | Myth`: Good luck ... tough install that is :-\ |
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| 18:28.17 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: What hardware are you trying to install on, for what purpose, and what experience do you have running Linux and servers in general? |
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| 18:29.50 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Dell Poweredge 1950, as a webserver. Not a whole lot of experience I'm just the web developer for this company. |
| 18:29.55 | Myth` | Why do you ask? |
| 18:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's nosy |
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| 18:30.31 | Titan8990 | looks rather similar to the hardware in my 1750, which did not have trouble on a .18 kernel |
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| 18:30.38 | SlapChopVince | hello |
| 18:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | I thought I might be able to understand why you seem to be having such terrible problems without having to scan back through hours of log. |
| 18:30.44 | SlapChopVince | anyone here run squeeze in virtualbox? |
| 18:30.57 | SlapChopVince | i think i'm having some cpu issues |
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| 18:31.30 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Well. It's reporting that no os is present. I was wondering if the particular SAS controller for this box didn't like grub or something. |
| 18:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use squeeze in virtualbox |
| 18:31.34 | dpkg | No, no one uses squeeze in virtualbox, not even the people who use it. |
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| 18:32.15 | SlapChopVince | !anyone use arbitrary in somethingelse |
| 18:32.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses arbitrary in somethingelse, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:32.19 | SlapChopVince | thanks. |
| 18:32.22 | SlapChopVince | :/ |
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| 18:32.37 | Myth` | I've reinstalled grub. Wish me luck ! ;) |
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| 18:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !polls |
| 18:33.45 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 18:34.49 | smhar | how to know the chipset of the a wifi adapter? |
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| 18:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !what's my wireless |
| 18:35.20 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
| 18:36.59 | babilen | smhar: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" is also good information. Use the pciid on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ or "/msg judd pciid <PCIID>" |
| 18:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, ask a real question, when somebody knows, (s)he'll answer. As long as you don't, they can't |
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| 18:44.15 | mederEsite | how can I add user john to web group |
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| 18:45.00 | hayleyw | mederEsite, adduser foo www-data |
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| 18:45.45 | mederEsite | hayleyw: what if the user is already made |
| 18:46.07 | hayleyw | mederEsite, adduser foo www-data |
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| 18:47.32 | mederEsite | hayleyw: if i'm john and i want to make every file i touch be a part of group 'web' for ex |
| 18:47.35 | mederEsite | what would i need to do |
| 18:47.39 | mederEsite | ive been chgrping so far |
| 18:47.55 | mkultra | what's wrong with this command? |
| 18:47.58 | mkultra | iptables -v -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -j REDIRECT |
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| 18:48.12 | mkultra | it returns "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name." |
| 18:48.31 | mkultra | but I checked it a 100 times and the syntax seems to be ok |
| 18:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat!=NAT? |
| 18:49.08 | hayleyw | mkultra, you need to add -A INPUT |
| 18:49.46 | mkultra | CutMeOwnThroat, no, lower case nat is the table name |
| 18:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, useful error |
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| 18:50.12 | mkultra | hayleyw, you mean instead of PREROUTING? |
| 18:50.25 | mederEsite | hm |
| 18:50.38 | mederEsite | i chgrp'd -R on /www/foo so group is 'web' |
| 18:50.43 | mederEsite | jackie is a part of group 'web' |
| 18:50.49 | mederEsite | i ssh'ed as jackie and i cant make a file in /www/foo |
| 18:50.54 | SlapChopVince | i'm running squeeze as a guest VM within a lenny install using virtualbox |
| 18:50.57 | SlapChopVince | the squeeze is vanilla |
| 18:51.02 | hayleyw | mederEsite, because it's not web. it's www-data like i said |
| 18:51.03 | Titan8990 | mederEsite: what are the perms on /www/foo? |
| 18:51.07 | mkultra | hayleyw, -t nat has no INPUT chain ... only PREROUTING, POSTROUTING and OUTPUT |
| 18:51.10 | SlapChopVince | it seems that vbox isn't parsing 'halted' cpu states correctly |
| 18:51.24 | mederEsite | hayleyw: the apache user is www-data but the custom group i made is 'web' |
| 18:51.28 | Titan8990 | hayleyw: he talking about another user unrelated to apache named "web" |
| 18:51.38 | Titan8990 | mederEsite: what are the perms on /www/foo? |
| 18:51.41 | mederEsite | uh |
| 18:51.56 | SlapChopVince | i'm experiencing very poor performance, from GRUB on, and my 'halted' cpu counter is climbing rapidly |
| 18:51.57 | mederEsite | 6 |
| 18:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mkultra, actually, that is accepted for me (and I don't even have wlan0) |
| 18:52.05 | mederEsite | sec |
| 18:52.10 | mederEsite | i suck at reading this |
| 18:52.14 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 18:52.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is rather weird |
| 18:52.18 | SlapChopVince | CutMeOwnThroat: that better? |
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| 18:52.26 | mederEsite | drwxr-xr-x |
| 18:53.06 | mederEsite | maybe theres something in addition to chgrp that i need to do |
| 18:53.18 | Titan8990 | mederEsite: yes... like give the group write permissions |
| 18:53.22 | mederEsite | ahh yes |
| 18:53.25 | mederEsite | chmod g+w or something |
| 18:53.28 | mederEsite | right that was it |
| 18:53.35 | mederEsite | what was the syntax for that? |
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| 18:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | mederEsite: Perhaps you should spend some time with this: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
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| 18:54.10 | uwjesd | Hello. What is the best software for doing incremental full-text search on source-code? |
| 18:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | mederEsite: I think for what you're trying to do you need to use a sticky bit on the parent directory so files created under it are owned by that group. |
| 18:54.31 | hayleyw | grep? :P |
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| 18:54.48 | Lateralus | is there a way to install updated versions of one or only a few packages? |
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| 18:55.17 | Titan8990 | !tell Lateralus about bpo |
| 18:55.25 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: yes there is, check your pm from dpkg |
| 18:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | Lateralus: aptitude install foo? |
| 18:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, I think you did outline the problem buuuut.... it still wasn't a question ;) |
| 18:55.31 | Lateralus | I need libqtcore4 >= 4.5.2, but if I try updating to squeeze the install kills itself |
| 18:55.37 | Lateralus | (udev...) |
| 18:55.47 | Lateralus | Titan8990: thanks! |
| 18:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | (except the one to me) |
| 18:56.04 | uwjesd | hayleyw: greps output is to much and it does not do incremental search. |
| 18:56.04 | hayleyw | bpo might not work if he already messed up a partial upgrade :P |
| 18:56.06 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Are you still around? |
| 18:56.07 | mederEsite | chmod g+w foo/ |
| 18:56.09 | mederEsite | ok |
| 18:56.16 | SlapChopVince | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm not sure what to ask exactly |
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| 18:56.27 | SlapChopVince | are there any known issues running squeeze in vbox? |
| 18:56.28 | Vanscot | Anyone here good wit keyboard layouts? |
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| 18:56.32 | Vanscot | *with |
| 18:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, check the bts for that... probably the one for virtualbox |
| 18:56.50 | SlapChopVince | perhaps this is a tickless/non-tickless kernel issue... does squeeze come with a tickless kernel by default? |
| 18:56.53 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Yes I am. |
| 18:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | SlapChopVince: Yes. |
| 18:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, possibly the one for the kernel... did you try another kernel? |
| 18:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: If you wanted to re-state your situation I would be willing to try to help you. |
| 18:57.21 | SlapChopVince | CutMeOwnThroat: i haven't tried anything |
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| 18:57.29 | SlapChopVince | i wanted to come in here and see if there are any known issues |
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| 18:58.05 | SlapChopVince | because i'm using vbox OSE i thought some of you might use it for virtualization as you all seem to be fans of software that's free as in freedom |
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| 18:58.36 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: C-s in emacs? |
| 18:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, well, the bts is the better place for that, as many more people contribute there than ever answer in here ( /msg dpkg bts ) |
| 18:59.12 | mkultra | hmm my connection died ... did anyone answer my question? |
| 18:59.23 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: sounds like a feature you IDE or editor should have |
| 18:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlapChopVince, apart from that it's easy enough to try a different kernel |
| 18:59.29 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Thanks. I've done a fresh netinst to a dell poweredge 1950. The OS isn't being detected. I've reinstalled grub. I looked into the SAS controller and it's a SAS6IR - I think the problem lies in the raid setup. |
| 18:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | !tell SlapChopVince about testing |
| 18:59.54 | Myth` | This isn't my system. It was given to me so we could put it up on a 100 Meg dedicated switch |
| 18:59.55 | Lateralus | Titan8990: crap, looks like an updated libqtcore4 isn't in backports? Is there another clean option? |
| 19:00.00 | Titan8990 | Myth`: is /boot on the raid? |
| 19:00.17 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: likely not for a lib such as that... what are you trying to do? |
| 19:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: So you're trying to install this to an SAS volume, not a local device? |
| 19:00.47 | Myth` | Hot swappable SAS disks |
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| 19:01.07 | Lateralus | Titan8990: trying to install a package that depends on libqtcore4 > 4.5.2 |
| 19:01.13 | Titan8990 | my lame 1750 only had ultra320s |
| 19:01.23 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: which package? |
| 19:01.29 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Forgive my ignorance if some of the things I say don't make sense. |
| 19:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: sas? |
| 19:01.30 | dpkg | sas is probably Storm Administration System from Stormix (A linux distributor), or Serial Attached SCSI |
| 19:01.32 | Lateralus | Titan8990: third party |
| 19:01.40 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: which package? |
| 19:01.41 | Myth` | Serial Attached SCSI |
| 19:01.58 | Lateralus | Titan8990: Again, thirt party, from a research center. |
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| 19:02.17 | Lateralus | Titan8990: which is obviously to say that I Cannot Say |
| 19:02.21 | Vasistha | I use /etc/apt/preferences to give a higher pin-priority to stable and lower to unstable, so I can have a handful of unstable packages (like free pascal compiler, offlineimap) Is there a way to use preferences to give a pin-priority to a particular repository e.g. debian-multimedia? Can I find the available /etc/apt/preferences options documented somewhere? |
| 19:02.34 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: is it a deb package? what distro was it designed for? |
| 19:02.44 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: why is it surrounded by secrecy? |
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| 19:02.51 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> On the front of the blade there are 4 ports with hard drive cages. Inside of these cages are 150 GB 10,000 RPM disks. |
| 19:03.07 | Myth` | I think that's SAS :/ |
| 19:03.17 | Lateralus | Titan8990: it is a deb, for lenny. They also have packages for squeeze, but I can't update to squeeze: every time I do I run into udev breaking apt, or the 2.6.32 kernel locking Virtual Box |
| 19:03.19 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Could be SATA on a Dell. |
| 19:03.19 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: backports and ssb is highly recommended over pinning |
| 19:03.39 | Lateralus | Titan8990: because it's from a research center, IP and what-not |
| 19:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Ok, so you're installing to a raid volume? What's managing the Raid? |
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| 19:03.57 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: ... are you trying to install the squeeze package in lenny or was their lenny package designed so poorly it depends on libs not in lenny? |
| 19:03.58 | Vasistha | Titan8990: depends what for. the free pascal compiler doesn't have any dependencies that matter, so there's no sense putting it in backports. |
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| 19:04.11 | Lateralus | Titan8990: their lenny package was designed so poorly :) |
| 19:04.21 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> I'm not sure exactly. But I think the correct answer is the bios. |
| 19:04.29 | Vasistha | Titan8990: and that's really irrelevant to my question anyway; I'm looking to find a way to give a pin-priority to the debian-multimedia repo |
| 19:04.30 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: yes, some packages really are simple but for the most part pinning leads to tears |
| 19:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Ok, BIOS or controller is managing raid, so does the installer see it as a single, normal disk? |
| 19:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: or a partition? |
| 19:05.04 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libqtcore4 |
| 19:05.06 | judd | libqtcore4 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.5.3-4; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.2-1 |
| 19:05.15 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: that package is in lenny |
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| 19:05.31 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: is it too old of a version? |
| 19:05.37 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> I was able to get into the SAS config utility - It's prompting me to make a new R1 or R0 array (Would this be a good indication that they aren't in a raid config?) |
| 19:05.39 | Vasistha | Titan8990: Well, my system has been stable for over a year so I'm pretty happy with the way it is working for me. I'm pretty careful about what I install from sid. |
| 19:05.53 | Lateralus | Titan8990: yes, I need >= 4.5.2 |
| 19:05.56 | babilen | Vasistha: Check the output of "apt-cache policy" - I think you can use the "o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages" for pinning |
| 19:06.06 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Installer sees 2 seperate disks. (There are 2 physical disks) |
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| 19:06.14 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: then their package ins't for lenny.... |
| 19:06.29 | uwjesd | Titan8990: Incremental full-text on a batch of files, not just the current buffer. |
| 19:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: That would be an indication that it wasn't presenting as a raid array. |
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| 19:06.46 | Lateralus | Titan8990: thanks for your assistance, that bot rocks btw |
| 19:06.47 | Vasistha | babilen: thanks! Will check it out |
| 19:06.49 | Myth` | In the SAS config utility I have an option "Boot support" and possible values, Disabled > OS > BIOS > BIOS and OS - It's currently set to BIOS and OS |
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| 19:07.07 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: I am betting there is a plugin or function for it... emacs does about everything |
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| 19:07.25 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: the ECB extension might include that functionality |
| 19:07.36 | babilen | Vasistha: Or use "Pin: origin www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 19:07.42 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: You are installing lenny, correct? |
| 19:08.02 | babilen | Vasistha: And read the manpage for apt_preferences |
| 19:08.03 | Titan8990 | Lateralus: np.. you can /msg dpkg ssb, but its usually not pretty when it comes to libs such as that |
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| 19:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: That setting sounds correct. |
| 19:08.19 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Yes, netinst stable |
| 19:08.23 | Vasistha | babilen: ah, there we go! perfect |
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| 19:08.46 | uwjesd | Titan8990: I will check it out. The emacs guys told me though that there was nothing like this in emacs. I could not believe it though. Did not stumble about anything with that functionality though in my own research. |
| 19:08.49 | babilen | Vasistha: Still - Pinning leads to headaches. |
| 19:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Have you read this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid ? |
| 19:09.16 | Vasistha | babilen: I remain skeptical :P it's been working really well for me for years |
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| 19:09.32 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: 6.2.2 Incremental search for a node in current tree-buffer -- check out that section in the ECB documentation |
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| 19:09.51 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: its not in emacs by default, but an extension to emacs |
| 19:09.53 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> That page would be for a RAID install right? I don't want to do any raid, just a basic install with the OS on one physical disk and a seperate storage disk. |
| 19:10.34 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> The RAID support offered by most Serial ATA disk controllers is not hardware RAID. Instead it can best be classified as "software RAID provided by the BIOS of the controller". There was a software raid partition on these disks that I deleted. Was that a nono? |
| 19:10.36 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Ok, in that case SAS and RAID don't come into the question, why are you messing with it? |
| 19:10.41 | babilen | Vasistha: Well, i won't argue with you. It's just that we see a bunch of horribly broken system caused by mixing different releases. (Not to mention distributions) |
| 19:10.49 | Titan8990 | uwjesd: although, that might mean incremental search for a filename in a source tree.... |
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| 19:10.58 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> I wasn't messing with anything, I was just making sure it wasn't setup that way. |
| 19:11.03 | babilen | Vasistha: If it's working for you and you use that responsibly -> Great! |
| 19:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: No, if you're just using them as direct disks you're fine. In fact, I have a PowerEdge that might even be a 1950 doing exactly that, seperate disks. |
| 19:11.20 | Vasistha | babilen: well the key is to be smart about what you actually install ... like, not libc6, and ... not a lot of other things, either. |
| 19:11.30 | babilen | Vasistha: exactly |
| 19:11.49 | babilen | Vasistha: "smart" is a scarce resource. Anyway - have fun :) |
| 19:11.54 | Vasistha | hah |
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| 19:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Disk 1 is / and /backup, disk 2 is /home. |
| 19:12.25 | uwjesd | Titan8990: finding files by name is already done comfortably with find and grep. |
| 19:12.52 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Exactly |
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| 19:13.03 | cusco | hi |
| 19:13.15 | cusco | why does mysql server depends on MTA? |
| 19:13.42 | Myth` | It just keeps telling me "Missing operating system". |
| 19:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | Nope, it's a T300. |
| 19:13.51 | babilen | !tell cusco -about why an mta |
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| 19:14.05 | cusco | grub not installed on the mbr of booting disk Myth` |
| 19:14.06 | Myth` | And I can't figured out why... |
| 19:14.18 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: You said things about installing sid packages and not just doing a normal install. |
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| 19:14.41 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: That was just firmware-bnx2 - for the installer |
| 19:14.45 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> firmware package for the NIC was found in a sid package. |
| 19:14.56 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Welcome back. |
| 19:14.59 | emerica | I'm trying to build a box with a areca 1280 raid card, Without the card, debian or the U word will install fine, with the card installed , the machine reboots itself after hanging looking for usb and firewire devices. about 4 seconds into booting |
| 19:15.06 | xk | lightning |
| 19:15.07 | xk | far out |
| 19:15.30 | Myth` | babilen> I hope you enjoyed your dinner. Boss isn't gonna let me eat/leave/live until this box is up and running hahaha |
| 19:15.38 | cusco | Myth`: boot a debian disk, choose recovery mode.. |
| 19:15.39 | jhutchins_lt | Two thing occur to me: Perhaps a kmuto installer would be a good idea, and perhaps lilo, which is known to handle SAS better, would be a good idea. |
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| 19:15.45 | babilen | Myth`: *sigh* |
| 19:16.03 | Myth` | lilo is a boot manager? |
| 19:16.06 | Psi-Jack | Myth`: I'd sue. ;) |
| 19:16.07 | babilen | yes |
| 19:16.08 | cusco | Myth`: then open a terminal chrooted into installed dir, and do grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/hda |
| 19:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Yes, older and more robust than grub. |
| 19:16.19 | babilen | cusco: we've covered all that already |
| 19:16.22 | Myth` | cusco> Thank you. But I've done that. A few times actually. |
| 19:16.26 | cusco | oh.. ok sorry |
| 19:16.33 | Myth` | Thanks though! :) |
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| 19:16.49 | emerica | going to try with a image from http://www.tienhuis.nl/areca , but I had thought drivers were available in later kernels |
| 19:16.52 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Can you think of a way to remove grub/install lilo from the netinst CD? |
| 19:17.00 | Titan8990 | prefers the interactive grub prompt over grub-install because he can actually see it working |
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| 19:17.07 | Myth` | I'd like to try that before trying a kmuto install., |
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| 19:17.20 | cusco | you can always use a live cd like ubuntu, knoppix or whatever and use "startupmanager" to have a GUI and detect what is wrong with grub conf |
| 19:17.22 | babilen | Myth`: I would try a kmuto kernel and maybe grub2. If that does not work out you can try lilo. But I have no experience with your hardware .. |
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| 19:17.40 | cusco | what hardware is it? |
| 19:17.55 | babilen | cusco: dell poweredge 1950 IIRC |
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| 19:18.54 | ans | say, where did mencoder go? |
| 19:19.18 | Myth` | Yes Poweredge 1950 with SAS6IR |
| 19:19.22 | Titan8990 | ans: dmm most likely |
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| 19:19.50 | ans | Titan8990: dmm? |
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| 19:20.28 | Myth` | babilen> Is "missing operating system" being echoed by post or grub? |
| 19:20.33 | Myth` | I would assume it's at post. |
| 19:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, 1400 hits for "sas6ir debian" |
| 19:21.03 | babilen | me too |
| 19:21.15 | MarkGi | Hi, for the last couple of days I have been trying to get spam under control on my home mail server. I am almost there, I got spamassassin working well. The only remaining problem is a problem where spammers divert mail back to me as "Mail Delivery System" errors (I bounce lots of mail that arrives at certain heavilly spammed email addresses on my domain). Is there a way I can stop there, or have spamassassin detect them? |
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| 19:22.00 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> Probably from the same query "We run Debian Etch with vanilla and debian kernel on our 2950 III with SAS-6iR." |
| 19:22.11 | Myth` | They're reporting no problems and great performance. |
| 19:23.04 | babilen | Myth`: I still think that you might have installed grub to the wrong disk :-\ Or that something is wrong with you BIOS settings. Kernel/module/grub related problems should kick in later (http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting ) |
| 19:23.16 | babilen | Myth`: Just read that as well :-) |
| 19:23.34 | Myth` | babilen> Sure. Thanks. |
| 19:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: I agree, it sounds like the BIOS is not detecting a boot record. |
| 19:23.49 | Myth` | Yep. |
| 19:24.10 | Myth` | That's what I was thinking, which is why I was poking around to see if the disks were in an array. |
| 19:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | This is not wierd hardware that should create a deep, dark mystery. |
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| 19:24.45 | Myth` | Lemme get into the bios settings, this thing takes a few minutes to boot. |
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| 19:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: So, rather obviously, before going into wierd attemtps to solve it, stay at a basic level. No sid drivers. |
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| 19:25.16 | babilen | Myth`: Take your time .. I'll try to find some manuals for that beast |
| 19:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: Where did you specify that grub should be installed? |
| 19:26.02 | Myth` | babilen> It is a beast too - My first time being around a blade and when I plugged it in and the fans roared I was scared to death and stood up really fast and whacked my head |
| 19:26.10 | Myth` | genius |
| 19:26.26 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> One sec, I' |
| 19:26.33 | Myth` | I'll pastebin my commands. |
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| 19:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | Modern servers are really loud with the covers off. |
| 19:27.55 | babilen | Myth`: haha - yes, i've grown accustomed to that already |
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| 19:28.04 | hayleyw | only thing louder is the AC in the datacenter :P |
| 19:28.24 | Myth` | babilen> jhutchins_lt http://pastebin.com/5uUve6Jm |
| 19:29.03 | babilen | Myth`: "mount --bind /dev" |
| 19:29.07 | Myth` | I couldn't believe how loud it was. I have 4 antec 900's as workstations with Push/Pull TRUE 120's (They're loud) |
| 19:29.15 | Titan8990 | Myth`: mount -t none proc /target/proc |
| 19:29.21 | Myth` | Whoa now |
| 19:29.29 | Titan8990 | Myth`: the whole point is to mount proc and dev in the chroot.... |
| 19:29.44 | babilen | Myth`: err - Outside the chroot: "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" and the command Titan8990 just gave you |
| 19:29.54 | Myth` | Ok, could you modify that pastebin to what it SHOULD look like? |
| 19:29.56 | Myth` | I'll try this again. |
| 19:30.15 | Titan8990 | sorry.. mount -t proc none /target/proc |
| 19:31.32 | PythonOwner | Hello, I am having a problem with my wireless adaptor that uses the ralink rt2870 chipset. I have the correct module loaded, and the ralink-firmware package installed, and Debian is detecting my device, but it only detects one access point, which isn't mine, and there are about 3 in range |
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| 19:31.47 | Myth` | I'm really hoping this fixes it. I'll take my licks for having a rudimentary of linux but I'll be happy it's done hehe |
| 19:32.03 | babilen | Myth`: http://pastebin.com/J49HJWrM |
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| 19:32.26 | Myth` | babilen> Thanks, I'll post back in a minute. |
| 19:32.31 | PythonOwner | I'm running the 2.6.30 amd64 kernel |
| 19:32.49 | PythonOwner | no, 2.6.32 amd64, sorry |
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| 19:33.00 | babilen | Myth`: And try to provide the output of these commands (if any) - You might want to install pastebinit (/msg dpkg pastebinit) |
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| 19:33.43 | PythonOwner | Could anyone help me? |
| 19:34.46 | xingu | babilen: I misread as "pastebininit" and I was thinking, wow, that'd be a really cool way to grab early boot messages :) |
| 19:34.53 | xingu | babilen: alas, it was not to be ;) |
| 19:34.57 | babilen | xingu: hahaha - yeah! |
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| 19:35.14 | Myth` | Me too xingu lol dpkg was like KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. Bassturd... |
| 19:35.29 | babilen | dpkg: bad bot |
| 19:35.29 | dpkg | :( |
| 19:35.34 | Myth` | lol |
| 19:35.36 | EvilToaster | Hi, i wanna know if there is more programs like dialog that i can run i terminal. |
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| 19:37.28 | babilen | EvilToaster: zenity? |
| 19:38.02 | babilen | EvilToaster: ah, shell script .. |
| 19:38.14 | EvilToaster | babilen, yes :S |
| 19:38.38 | EvilToaster | but zenity is cool ... only problem i need to use this script at bootup |
| 19:39.13 | EvilToaster | but i dont wanna use dialog this time. |
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| 19:40.00 | Bohemian | anyone here use apparmor? |
| 19:40.29 | babilen | EvilToaster: python-dialog? |
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| 19:40.45 | babilen | !anyone apparmor |
| 19:41.03 | babilen | dpkg: don't be angry with me now :( |
| 19:41.03 | dpkg | babilen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:41.05 | SpeedyG | !popcon |
| 19:41.05 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 19:41.13 | EvilToaster | babilen, do i need to know python :) |
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| 19:41.31 | Bohemian | babilen: anything i should know about it before i install it on a web/email server? |
| 19:41.42 | EvilToaster | babilen, cuz im working on it .. but i never have time to start learn one more lanuage :S |
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| 19:42.20 | babilen | EvilToaster: Not sure - but the "python" in there suggests that a little knowledge of python might be needed. I would ask in #bash - they probably know a lot of alternatives. Let us know what you've found. I would have thought of dialog and zenity for that ... never had the need for an alternative |
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| 19:42.49 | babilen | Bohemian: It's not in Debian IIRC |
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| 19:43.28 | jhutchins_lt | EvilToaster: Expect? |
| 19:43.59 | EvilToaster | babilen, neither do i :) just for fun |
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| 19:44.42 | babilen | EvilToaster: whiptail, ssft, gpe-question, ... |
| 19:45.33 | Bohemian | babilen: i can't install it? it's on ubuntu? |
| 19:45.50 | babilen | Bohemian: I have absolutely no idea |
| 19:45.53 | babilen | !apparmor |
| 19:45.54 | dpkg | AppArmor (Application Armor) is a file-system neutral alternative to <SELinux> maintained by Novell, which works with file paths instead of applying file labels. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #440680. http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Apparmor_FAQ #apparmor on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu has solutions available for problems Debian doesn't have. |
| 19:46.01 | babilen | Bohemian: Ask upstream ^^^^^ |
| 19:46.35 | phogg | I thought apparmor was dead |
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| 19:47.44 | Bohemian | phogg: people still maintain it |
| 19:48.10 | Bohemian | selinux isn't worth it in this instance: i'm not worried about physical access breach, i'm worried about cyber attacks (web/email server) |
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| 19:48.22 | EvilToaster | babilen, thanks for your help. i remember whiptail now :) |
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| 19:51.30 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt, babilen > http://pastebin.com/9BA9H7dY |
| 19:51.57 | babilen | uh - there's your problem :-) |
| 19:51.57 | Myth` | It's still booting, just thought I'd show my results first. |
| 19:52.14 | Myth` | # |
| 19:52.14 | Myth` | CANNOT FIND LIST OF PARTITIONS? |
| 19:52.17 | Myth` | Oops sorry. |
| 19:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | Did you have /proc mounted? |
| 19:52.41 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> I did http://pastebin.com/J49HJWrM to a tee |
| 19:52.54 | Myth` | # mount -t proc none /target/proc |
| 19:53.00 | WaterRatj | Hmm, just installed debian on extern hdd, but when i grub says filesystem type unknown |
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| 19:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | Myth`: grub-install has a -probe option for situations like that, but you say it's booting now? |
| 19:53.23 | Myth` | I think grub came up though. It says Loading, please wait... |
| 19:53.32 | Myth` | jhutchins_lt> I'm not sure I was turned around. |
| 19:53.37 | Myth` | Yep, it's booting |
| 19:53.58 | Myth` | You guys rock! Thank you both! |
| 19:54.12 | jhutchins_lt | update-grub probably failed to find the partitions, probed, found them, and worked. |
| 19:54.18 | Myth` | babilen> For future reference, dpkg's response to reinstalling grub sucks |
| 19:54.49 | babilen | Myth`: I'll fix it |
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| 19:55.04 | WaterRatj | Anyone can help me on my issue now? :D |
| 19:55.09 | Myth` | thank you thank you! |
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| 19:55.26 | babilen | Myth`: \o/ |
| 19:55.28 | Myth` | Now to run into my next problem ! <3 linux :) |
| 19:55.31 | babilen | !beer all |
| 19:55.31 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Spaten Optimator for all |
| 19:55.39 | babilen | s/all/everyone |
| 19:56.31 | babilen | WaterRatj: Which filesystem did you use? Do you use the standard kernel? |
| 19:56.51 | WaterRatj | I installed standard and ext3 |
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| 19:57.24 | Lateralus | Titan8990: d'oh. It can't calculate build dependencies because the package pkg-kde-tools is missing, so it doesn't look like building libqtcore4 myself will be easy |
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| 19:58.53 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Sounds like you have a partition defined incorrectly somewhere, possibly /boot/menu.list |
| 19:59.40 | WaterRatj | i have no idea |
| 19:59.50 | WaterRatj | how can i fix it? |
| 20:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: How many disks? How many partitions, in what configuration? pastebin fdisk -l and menu.list (boot from a live/rescue CD). |
| 20:01.03 | babilen | !tell Myth` -about fixmbr |
| 20:01.06 | babilen | Myth`: better? |
| 20:01.11 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: When does grub say filesystem type unknown? |
| 20:01.52 | WaterRatj | well i startup my pc, grub loads, then i can choose the debian install, then when i press boot gives that error |
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| 20:02.22 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: need to change /dev/sda to /dev/whatever |
| 20:02.29 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: good idea |
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| 20:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: The other questions still stand, what else do you have on the system? |
| 20:03.07 | babilen | done |
| 20:03.28 | WaterRatj | windows installed on my laptop's hard drive, but the linux is on a external one |
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| 20:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: How many disks? How many partitions, in what configuration? pastebin fdisk -l and menu.list (boot from a live/rescue CD). |
| 20:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Does windows still boot? |
| 20:05.28 | Myth` | babilen> Yep, /dev/whatever implied to me to not mount a partition |
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| 20:05.29 | Myth` | I'm a newbie though, I guess that would be common sense to someone more familliar with linux though. |
| 20:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | I tend to use something like /dev/<root partition> |
| 20:05.29 | babilen | Myth`: yes :-) - everything working fine so far? |
| 20:05.52 | Myth` | babilen> Working great! |
| 20:05.56 | Myth` | Thanks again! |
| 20:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: I assume grub is installed on the internal drive? |
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| 20:06.36 | babilen | Myth`: Time for "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" after you've configured your sources.list |
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| 20:08.32 | WaterRatj | jhutchins_lt: No external |
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| 20:12.29 | nsadmin | So I have java installed but iceweasel doesn't seem to work other than to show the java checkbox in preferences... java -version shows [java version "1.6.0_12"] and about:plugins shows no java plugin |
| 20:12.40 | nsadmin | how do I get the plugin? |
| 20:12.56 | nsadmin | !java plugin |
| 20:12.56 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 20:23.24 | gnudoll | is getting frustrated. . . |
| 20:23.48 | Myth` | babilen > Fully updated :) Is there anything I need to setup other than iptables to make this system 'ready' for internet usage? |
| 20:24.02 | Myth` | Ready to be accessed by internet users* |
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| 20:25.06 | Bohemian | ow do i stop a process from trying to start on boot? |
| 20:25.15 | gnudoll | installing on a Thinkpad T21 (P/// @ 800Mhz S3 Savage video 1024x768 LCD) |
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| 20:25.44 | gnudoll | Bohemian: chmod -x /etc/init.d/<process> |
| 20:26.49 | Myth` | One further question - Would someone recommend a statistics generator for apache? |
| 20:26.50 | Bohemian | thx |
| 20:26.59 | babilen | Myth`: one second |
| 20:27.55 | gnudoll | anyone know why the xorg xserver would have such a hard time with the S3 Savage chipset? |
| 20:28.45 | gnudoll | loads fine the first boot after install, then it keeps going to a blank screen on X start |
| 20:29.08 | gnudoll | used to work fine when I last had one of these. . . |
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| 20:29.32 | gnudoll | granted that was around the turn of the century. . . |
| 20:29.55 | gnudoll | feels old saying that ;) |
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| 20:31.20 | babilen | Myth`: I wouldn't even consider a firewall a prerequisite. Just don't open ports you don't want to be open ;) |
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| 20:33.09 | babilen | Myth`: Something like: http://www.hping.org/visitors/report.html ? |
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| 20:35.24 | \ottizen | I installed "resolvconf". What can I use it for? |
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| 20:36.15 | themill | \ottizen: both package description and man-pages tell you about it |
| 20:36.25 | \ottizen | ok |
| 20:36.35 | WaterRatj | So how wouyld i fix it? |
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| 20:37.37 | brbrbr | haha, Shurtleworth finally show his true face ! "This is not a democracy" !! |
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| 20:40.25 | helo | ... "but here's all of the code" |
| 20:40.35 | cahoot | brbrbr: this is highly OT - but - I doubt you could describe the linux kernel creation as in anyway 'democratic' |
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| 20:42.06 | gnudoll | anyone know why the xorg xserver would have such a hard time with the S3 Savage chipset? |
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| 20:42.17 | brbrbr | cahoot im mainly talk about how Shurtleworth threat both FOSS comunity[and particular Ubuntu in that case]and what he DID, rather than something purely philosophical |
| 20:42.23 | brbrbr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/167 |
| 20:42.27 | WaterRatj | Anyone know how to fix my boot :) |
| 20:42.40 | dondelelcaro | brbrbr: that whole issue isn't on topic here; feel free to continue in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:42.42 | gnudoll | on the default install fromthe latest netinst cd |
| 20:42.51 | brbrbr | and NO, its no completely OT, cause Ubuntu - [crippled]Debian fork |
| 20:42.58 | brbrbr | pl |
| 20:43.00 | brbrbr | ok |
| 20:43.32 | gnudoll | WaterRatj: Shoe repair? |
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| 20:44.00 | dondelelcaro | brbrbr: its worked fairly well historically; you'll have to provide more information than that. We also don't know what you mean by "latest netinst cd" |
| 20:44.07 | dondelelcaro | s/brbr/gnudoll/ |
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| 20:44.38 | gnudoll | netinst 5.04 Downloaded within the last week |
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| 20:45.11 | gnudoll | if you do not wiggle the mouse, it goes to a blank screen on X start |
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| 20:45.33 | gnudoll | on a T21 IBM laptop |
| 20:45.36 | Bohemian | how do i remove all of gnome (except dependencies that apps rely on gnome deps)? |
| 20:45.45 | Bohemian | i don't want to use gnome as a WM anymore -- too slow |
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| 20:46.11 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: remove the metapackage, and mark anything you don't explicitely want as automatically installed |
| 20:46.15 | gnudoll | often locks up on X start as well |
| 20:46.39 | Bohemian | dondelelcaro: what is metapackage? |
| 20:47.02 | jeff_hann | gnudoll, I have a T22 and had the same problems |
| 20:47.22 | jeff_hann | setting the depth at 16 bpp |
| 20:47.32 | jeff_hann | solved my problems |
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| 20:48.09 | WaterRatj | okokay okay got it fixed , how do i edit grub from withtin debian? |
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| 20:48.17 | jeff_hann | the driver doesn't work at all at 32 and borks at 24 bpp |
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| 20:50.15 | arthalion7 | installing Squeeze on my eeepc 1005ha :-D |
| 20:50.18 | babilen | Bohemian: "gnome" is a meta package as it depends on other packages, but does not provide any software itself. It is just meant to "pull in" a set of packages |
| 20:50.25 | babilen | !tell Bohemian -about install gnome |
| 20:50.39 | babilen | Bohemian: That gives a short overview of the gnome related meta packages |
| 20:51.18 | WaterRatj | Why is my laptop's wifi not reconized? |
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| 20:51.31 | Bohemian | thanks |
| 20:51.39 | Bohemian | WaterRatj: why is the sky blue? |
| 20:51.43 | jeff_hann | WaterRatj, details please |
| 20:51.49 | Bohemian | what card do you have? |
| 20:52.04 | WaterRatj | How do i check? |
| 20:52.20 | jeff_hann | lshw |
| 20:52.20 | babilen | WaterRatj: Paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 20:54.54 | WaterRatj | won't show anything |
| 20:54.59 | gnudoll | jeff_hann: interesting. . why would it work on the first boot after install then? |
| 20:55.17 | jeff_hann | gnudoll, no idea |
| 20:55.21 | gnudoll | could it be a framebuffer thing? |
| 20:55.27 | Andy1978 | WaterRatj: is WiFi built in or a usb stick? |
| 20:55.27 | jeff_hann | yes, it could |
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| 20:55.34 | WaterRatj | built in |
| 20:55.44 | Andy1978 | lsusb |grep -i network ? |
| 20:55.48 | jeff_hann | gnudoll, do a 'X -configure' |
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| 20:56.13 | yo_rmn | hello, I just installed Sqeeze AMD 64, and Nvidia drivers but not using it, and no xorg.conf |
| 20:56.15 | gnudoll | Hmmm, did not try that one yet. . . |
| 20:56.19 | jeff_hann | then edit the xorg.conf.new file that the previous command created |
| 20:56.37 | Bohemian | babilen: i just did aptitude remove gnome-desktop-utils while xfce4 was started. xfce4 went down, had to relogin (i think becuase of gdm) and now i tried to see if it was completely removed by su'ing and doing aptitude remove gnome-desktop-utils and i get an error |
| 20:56.38 | jeff_hann | ]to make sure that your X will use 16 bpp color depth |
| 20:56.39 | gnudoll | thanks, I think that may help |
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| 20:56.43 | jeff_hann | then |
| 20:56.46 | Bohemian | error is that dpkg is still in use |
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| 20:56.58 | jeff_hann | 'X -config xorg.conf.new' |
| 20:57.01 | Bohemian | but i don't see a shell anywhere besides the one i opened? |
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| 20:57.23 | yo_rmn | di so, but tesstog it shows black screen |
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| 20:57.26 | WaterRatj | Doesn't show either, but lsusb works |
| 20:57.30 | yo_rmn | testing* |
| 20:57.34 | jeff_hann | if it works, 'mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf && reboot' |
| 20:57.51 | babilen | WaterRatj: That is strange - Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to a pastebin? Do you know what kind of wifi adaptor you have in that computer? |
| 20:58.00 | Andy1978 | WaterRatj: what Laptop? Perhaps you find a description of the used hardware components? |
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| 20:58.26 | WaterRatj | Eum, Easynote or something |
| 20:58.38 | Bohemian | anybody tell me how to find the dpkg process? |
| 20:58.39 | Bohemian | please |
| 20:58.49 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Can you see it from where you are now? |
| 20:58.53 | WaterRatj | EASYnoite mv51 |
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| 20:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Seriously, if you're not going to give us any information we're really not going to be able to help you. |
| 20:59.17 | WaterRatj | I'm trying ö |
| 20:59.33 | babilen | Bohemian: You could just killall dpkg, but that might not be the best idea as well .. well, how to proceed? |
| 21:00.05 | Bohemian | babilen: i'll just do that, then kill x, then remove in cli |
| 21:00.20 | babilen | Bohemian: good luck |
| 21:00.28 | babilen | !tell WaterRatj -about what's my wireless |
| 21:01.00 | babilen | WaterRatj: Provide this information in addition to the output of lshal, "lsusb -v" and "lspci -nn" |
| 21:01.01 | WaterRatj | How can i install packages when not being able to use internet? rofl |
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| 21:01.21 | babilen | WaterRatj: Wired connection? Transfer the debs with a USB stick? |
| 21:01.25 | gnudoll | install from CD? |
| 21:01.32 | Bohemian | babilen: you don't seem optimistic? |
| 21:01.33 | babilen | or that :) |
| 21:01.43 | babilen | Bohemian: I'm optimistic :) |
| 21:01.51 | Bohemian | how do i get out of x? |
| 21:01.54 | Bohemian | sorry, i'm from freebsd |
| 21:02.11 | babilen | Bohemian: CTRL-ALT-F1 - /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 21:02.26 | Andy1978 | WaterRatj: EASYNOTE MV51-B-018 ? |
| 21:02.47 | Andy1978 | WaterRatj: Could be a Ralink RT2571F |
| 21:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Install off CD or use a wired connection. |
| 21:03.14 | Bohemian | couldn't find any packages |
| 21:03.16 | Bohemian | guess that's good |
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| 21:04.07 | Lateralus | arrg :\ |
| 21:04.24 | babilen | !comfort Lateralus |
| 21:04.24 | dpkg | There, there, Lateralus. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:04.39 | Lateralus | Is there anything easy I can do if I'm running out of INode's when doing dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 21:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace should kill X if nothing else, Ctrl-Alt-[F1-F6] Should give you a console, you can kill [kdm|gdm|xdm] |
| 21:04.56 | Lateralus | tar is failing, telling me I'm out of space |
| 21:04.58 | Bohemian | i figured it out |
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| 21:05.07 | Bohemian | i installed xdm though as my login manager but it won't work |
| 21:05.12 | babilen | Lateralus: That depends on the file system you've used. |
| 21:05.14 | Bohemian | any idea? does it require init.d? |
| 21:05.24 | Andy1978 | WaterRatj: lsusb should show something like 148f:2573 Ralink Technology Corp. |
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| 21:05.50 | Bohemian | can anyone here recommend a good kernel guide for optimizing a web/email server kernel? |
| 21:06.00 | babilen | WaterRatj: Please provide the output we requested - It does not make sense that we try to infer it from googling around. |
| 21:06.01 | Bohemian | without grsecurity since that kernel won't boot, heh |
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| 21:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: I use the standard kernel. It's modular and reasonably self-optimizing. |
| 21:06.25 | Lateralus | babilen: standard debian setup taking the full partition, I'm assuming ext3 |
| 21:06.44 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: for your webserver? |
| 21:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, web & mail. |
| 21:07.23 | babilen | Lateralus: backup, recreate fs, restore data - Could you paste the output of "df -i" |
| 21:08.16 | Lateralus | babilen: /dev/hda1 121680 66149 55531 51% |
| 21:08.16 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: would you know how to debug a kernel that doesn't boot? i can't really get any error msg when i boot it up? perhaps it is stored elsewhere? this is a default kernel from kernle.org (2.6) with grsecurity patch |
| 21:08.18 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Apache, MySQL, PHP (Drupal). |
| 21:08.20 | Lateralus | 55% rather |
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| 21:08.41 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: same. can you recommend a good guide for optimization in general then? surely you've done some... |
| 21:09.03 | babilen | Lateralus: You have 55531 free inodes |
| 21:09.13 | Lateralus | babilen: after tar is done, sure |
| 21:09.32 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Well, I've tuned apache and mysql from the guides on their web sites, and used iostats to find hardware bottlenecks. |
| 21:09.35 | babilen | Lateralus: What are you trying to untar? |
| 21:09.44 | Lateralus | babilen: why would debian build a filesystem that couldn't be used to build the packages that make it up? |
| 21:10.07 | Lateralus | babilen: I'm attempting to dpkg-buildpackage a standard package. |
| 21:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: If it won't boot, the console messages are your best place to start. |
| 21:10.15 | Lateralus | babilen: libqtcore4. |
| 21:10.31 | Lateralus | babilen: it's attempting to create it, not untar |
| 21:10.42 | babilen | Lateralus: I have no idea what is wrong with your setup - Judging from the df -i output you've provided I doubt that you are running out of inodes |
| 21:10.43 | Lateralus | babilen: or to create the filesystem tree for the deb |
| 21:10.54 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: honestly, console doens't give me much |
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| 21:11.02 | Bohemian | if i reboot and take screenshots will you take a look? |
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| 21:11.11 | Lateralus | babilen: I see the INode's jump up when I'm running the dpkg-buildpackage; and tar tells me I'm out of space. Is there any other explanation? |
| 21:11.24 | babilen | Lateralus: Paste the complete output of that command, also include the complete output of "df -i" and 'df -h' |
| 21:11.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Wait. Screenshots... you're in a VM. |
| 21:11.38 | babilen | Lateralus: And you run out of them? |
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| 21:11.46 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: yeah? |
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| 21:11.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: That is likely the source of your problem, and I'm afraid I'm a pre-vm guy. |
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| 21:12.08 | Lateralus | babilen: I don't see it hit 100%, it happens very quickly, I usually see it jumping to 77, 80, etc, then back down |
| 21:12.09 | xulfuser | im using debian and sendmail and no matter what I do my mail comes from user@debian ? how do I change the domain |
| 21:12.15 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: so once i move over to my VPS, it should just boot? |
| 21:12.21 | Bohemian | why would a VM matter? |
| 21:13.20 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Not being a VM guy, I'm not entirely sure, but the kernel seems to have more trouble detecting and correctly dealing with the hardware in VM's than it does with real hardware. |
| 21:13.25 | Andy1978 | babilen: If WaterRatj comes back: I think its a Ralink RT73 and internal connected via usb. lsusb should show the device and "firmware-ralink and rt73-source" should do the job |
| 21:13.45 | babilen | Lateralus: Well, it is using inodes for sure .. I'm just not sure how to debug that issue. I would start with looking at the output of the commands i gave you. And you have to recreate the filesystem if you need more inodes (with ext3 at least - XFS grows IIRC) |
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| 21:14.17 | babilen | Andy1978: Well - Thank you, but (s)he could have just provided the information we asked for... |
| 21:14.18 | Lateralus | babilen: This is an expanding virtual box disk image, btw |
| 21:14.30 | Lateralus | babilen: unsure what that means to the linux side of things. |
| 21:14.35 | Andy1978 | babilen: yes, full ack |
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| 21:15.12 | babilen | Lateralus: Than expand the disk image and the filesystem |
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| 21:15.25 | babilen | Lateralus: And you are not running out of space? |
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| 21:15.34 | Lateralus | babilen: shouldn't be possible to run out of space? |
| 21:15.43 | Lateralus | babilen: unless my host runs out, which it's almost empty |
| 21:15.44 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: okay, thanks. makes me feel better as i've compiled kernels plenty of times in the 2.4 days and did just fine |
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| 21:16.07 | Lateralus | babilen: new work machine, this vm is about the only thing on it |
| 21:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Hasn't changed much. I stay as close to stock as I can for ease of maintenance. |
| 21:16.15 | babilen | no idea - not proficient with virtualbox automagically growing disk images and their relation with filesystems |
| 21:17.02 | babilen | Lateralus: But given that you have 55531 free inodes i doubt that this is the problem |
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| 21:17.38 | Lateralus | babilen: yeah could be that it isn't expanding for some reason |
| 21:17.42 | Lateralus | babilen: doing a big dd |
| 21:17.57 | Rienzilla | root |
| 21:18.13 | babilen | Lateralus: Take a look at resize2fs |
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| 21:18.44 | babilen | Lateralus: And you might want to ask some virtualbox guru how to deal with automagically growing disk images .. |
| 21:18.54 | RayzrShrp | anybody in here have their LPI cert? |
| 21:19.04 | RayzrShrp | or any other flavor of linux certifacation? |
| 21:19.15 | babilen | !tell RayzrShrp -about ot |
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| 21:20.37 | jelly-hme | RayzrShrp: try ##Linux for general linux questions, this channel is about Debian tech support |
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| 21:24.43 | nvz | is there any software for monitoring the access times on a filesystem and compressing data not used frequently, or otherwise what does one use to create a compressed volume, ideally inside a single file that can grow dynamically on top of a normal filesystem? |
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| 21:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Disk space is too cheap these days to play games like that. One more thing to go wrong. |
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| 21:26.06 | Squawk | Hey guys, needing a bit of help. Last week I managed to remove the partition table from one of my drives. I have now recovered it with the exception of a single vfat partition at the end of the drive. testdisk can see the partition, and using the "p" command I can view the files on the drive. However, after creating the partition using fdisk as I have with all other partitions I cannot mount the partition. |
| 21:26.18 | nvz | RayzrShrp: i was invited to take the Comptia Linux+ 2009 beta, and passed |
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| 21:26.59 | frostschutz | Squawk: what does file -s /dev/partition say? |
| 21:27.29 | Squawk | frostschutz, simply "/dev/sdb9: data" |
| 21:27.37 | ElDiabolo | nvz: Maybe there is a fuse filesystem for that. |
| 21:27.56 | frostschutz | Squawk: then it's either corrupt or simply pointing to the wrong place |
| 21:28.06 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: well I dont like having to be tethered to more storage, and more often than not I'm using my netbook or something. <in the case of having lots of photos for examle.. they compress well, typically especially higer res digital cam photos. its nice to have stuff available when needed without hassle but not taking up a lot of space when not needed |
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| 21:28.43 | ElDiabolo | nvz: http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/fusecompress |
| 21:28.44 | Squawk | frostschutz, it's not corrupt as I can access all the files using testdisk, ergo I'm pointing it at the wrong place. Hmm, I know sod all about fat file systems |
| 21:28.45 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I keep all my storage on a central server. |
| 21:28.48 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: I'm def not talking about doing it with system files or programs.. just large collections of data |
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| 21:29.09 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: yeah thats an ideal situation though. |
| 21:29.58 | ElDiabolo | nvz: Watch out, large collections of data tend to be the valuable part. |
| 21:30.14 | Arrowmaster | so ive got a hardware raid6 made of 7 drives using a stripe size of 256KB, GPT partition table with one partition which is an lvm2 pv, the lvm contains only one pv and one lv which is an ext4 partition created with a raid stripe width of 320, for perfect alignment which sector should the pv start at? i started it at 512 but im wondering if i should have used 2560 |
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| 21:31.21 | nvz | ElDiabolo: I'll have look at that. I'm not real worried about that. I can still keep backups if its important. I just want to have things around when I need em and not wasting all my local disk space on em. |
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| 21:32.43 | nvz | I in general need to work out better ways of storing things.. I keep lots of utilities around for working on computers.. often the stuff goes unused for long periods of time and even gets outdated and I end up just getting it again and not deleting the old stuff |
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| 21:33.43 | Squawk | frostschutz, found the problem, the boot sector is damaged, thanks for the help though |
| 21:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I used to keep CD's of utilities, try to update them monthly. |
| 21:34.09 | jhutchins_lt | USB drives are pretty easy to do that with now. |
| 21:34.14 | nvz | I try to keep those sorts of things on a thumbdrive |
| 21:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Just set a day every month to go through and update your toolbox. |
| 21:34.36 | nvz | but right now most of my disks are photos, movies or music |
| 21:34.44 | GutterPunk | Hi. I have an intel 5300 wlan adapter in my laptop. On Windows, using connectify, it is possible to connect it to a wireless network, and to use it as an AP at the same time. When trying to accomplish this in Linux, I cannot set the adapter in "Master" mode, which is required to use it as an AP. Anyone know how to set this up? |
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| 21:35.01 | nvz | in the case of the netbook.. there is no optical drive.. so I gotta rip anything I may wanna watch on the go |
| 21:35.27 | nvz | movies however don't generally compress that well |
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| 21:36.43 | nvz | I never used to be a photo collector, but these days I take a lot more pictures and with the way cameras are now photos can take up a LOT of space with high res images |
| 21:36.54 | jhutchins_lt | You shouldn't have your only copy of your files on a thumb drive. |
| 21:36.56 | xulfuser | im using debian and sendmail and no matter what I do my mail comes from user@debian ? how do I change the domain |
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| 21:37.08 | ElDiabolo | nvz: DVDs can be compressed to 700Mb with acceptable quality with mp4/divx |
| 21:37.10 | xulfuser | it is default sendmail package |
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| 21:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: If I were you I'd get one of these nice big USB HD's and make a master copy of everything there. |
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| 21:38.01 | nvz | ElDiabolo: yeah well thats usually what I do if I rent/borrow a dvd or something.. rip it low quality onto the netbook to watch.. and in general I wind up deleting things I can get back.. |
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| 21:38.37 | nvz | but its annoying when you deleted something like a movie for example to make room to burn a debian iso, and then you're out somewhere and wanna watch that movie.. |
| 21:38.56 | jhutchins_lt | Hence the master copy. |
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| 21:39.10 | nvz | thats fine when you; |
| 21:39.13 | nvz | re at home |
| 21:39.14 | ElDiabolo | nvz: We have 70+Gb of photos since 2003. |
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| 21:39.32 | nvz | yeah I dont have that much.. but I'm sure its over 10gb by now |
| 21:39.43 | nvz | and most of them I haven't accessed in over a year |
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| 21:39.57 | nvz | but to archive them somewhere and not have them when I need one would be a PIA |
| 21:40.00 | nvz | PITA even |
| 21:40.19 | nvz | photos usually do compress fairly well |
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| 21:40.45 | NoReflex | hello! I'm having a problem with postgresql in lenny. I changed some settings in /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/postgresql.conf (listen address, effective_cache_size, shared_buffers,ssl) and now postgresql won't start. If I do /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/pg_ctl start as the user postgres it says : pg_ctl: no database directory specified and environment variable PGDATA unset |
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| 21:41.39 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: start the database using the init script, and see the logs. If it doesn't even get that far, you'll have to start it in the manner that the init script uses. |
| 21:41.47 | babilen | NoReflex: Try starting the db using the init script |
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| 21:43.06 | nvz | I have an external HD and an external DVD writer.. so I do have methods of watching movies and saving music and stuff for use on the netbook.. but having a tiny pc that is wireless, and having to tote around devices that need to be plugged into the wall and are bigger than my computer is silly |
| 21:43.12 | NoReflex | I tried using the init script it gives: Starting PostgreSQL 8.4 database server: mainThe PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output. failed! failed! when run as root... |
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| 21:43.29 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: so as it says, you need to check the logfiles |
| 21:43.52 | nvz | needs to re-examine his habits and make a lot of changes. |
| 21:44.18 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: I checked the logs...nothing there- /var/log/postgresql, /var/log/syslog, /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main/.... |
| 21:44.34 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-8.4-main.log |
| 21:45.29 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: 2010-03-22 23:24:17 EET LOG: database system is shut down - this is the last line ... when I shutodown the server (before making the modificcations) |
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| 21:47.39 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: ok, then you need to start it using pg_ctlcluster with appropriate -o options, like -o -d 5 or similar. man postgres for details on that |
| 21:47.44 | dondelelcaro | (and pg_ctlcluster) |
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| 21:48.14 | onre^ | hello. can anyone recommend a firewall package with simple config format? i have experience with ipf and cisco-style access lists |
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| 21:48.55 | nvz | onre^: and iptables is too far of a stretch? |
| 21:49.08 | ElDiabolo | onre^: uif |
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| 21:49.51 | jhutchins_lt | onre^: There are a number of scripts. Shorewall is a little cumbersome for initial setup, but easy to make quick modifications. |
| 21:49.59 | nvz | iptables scares me, but thats just cause I've never had a course in networking and don't know much |
| 21:50.00 | arthalion7 | Please, could someone tell me a lightweight network manager to use in xfce? thx |
| 21:50.07 | ElDiabolo | onre^: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/uif |
| 21:50.09 | onre^ | nvz, i could do that as well. come to think of it, m iptables script from '05 might just work still :p |
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| 21:50.16 | onre^ | ElDiabolo, thanks, i'll look into it. |
| 21:50.39 | nvz | arthalion7: I prefer wicd dont know how lightweight it is.. its in lenny-backports, squeeze, and sid |
| 21:50.50 | nvz | network-manager is a piece of shit |
| 21:50.55 | arthalion7 | thanks nvz, I had a lapsus |
| 21:50.56 | tigermann | which sound chipset do I want on the motherboard for a pleasant debian+xbmc-exerience with spdif out ? |
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| 21:51.52 | babilen | onre^: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls - I would also suggest to take a look at "pf" in GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 21:52.20 | nvz | tigermann: find a mobo you like, google it, and check the alsa website maybe? |
| 21:52.56 | babilen | onre^: Are you configuring a stand alone firewall? |
| 21:53.04 | nvz | wanders off. |
| 21:53.09 | babilen | waves |
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| 21:53.32 | onre^ | babilen, nope. this is just a host with couple of public services. |
| 21:53.53 | tigermann | nvz: sounds lika a fair approach :) |
| 21:54.23 | babilen | onre^: Well, take a look at the wiki page - it lists your options. pf is a great tool, but you would need a freebsd kernel for that :) |
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| 21:55.04 | onre^ | babilen, yup. i actually run netbsd routers at work, they have ipf. looks like uif does enough for this purpose and is very simple to setup :) |
| 21:55.07 | edju | Just installed squeeze and a proprietary program requires libgtk-1.2.so, which is not in sqeeze. How might I get gtk+? If that makes any sense. |
| 21:55.25 | babilen | onre^: Just wanted to point out the alternatives |
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| 21:58.57 | BrendenB | question; http://pastebin.com/jbNH6mzp < any ideas how to fix that? |
| 21:59.34 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: to use it with -o option it says to check postmaster(1) - postmaster has become postgres....but what does postmaster(1) - the first page of the man page of postmaster? how can I access directly a specifed page? |
| 21:59.36 | jelly-hme | edju: you won't be able to easily install gtk+ 1.x. Perhaps a chroot installation of an old enough debian release (3.1? 3.0?) |
| 21:59.47 | babilen | onre^: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ should give you ipfilter |
| 21:59.56 | tigermann | BrendenB: is it executable? |
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| 22:00.29 | BrendenB | tigermann yes |
| 22:00.34 | BrendenB | well |
| 22:00.39 | BrendenB | not at this state of course |
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| 22:00.49 | edju | jelly-hme, OK. What to dwnload to get gtk+ 2.x? |
| 22:00.56 | BrendenB | but i did run chmod +x sc_serv |
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| 22:01.18 | jelly-hme | edju: it's already in the distro. What are you exactly trying to accomplish? |
| 22:02.03 | edju | jelly-hme, I run KDE and I need to get gtk+ - I'll try any version. |
| 22:02.18 | tigermann | BrendenB: paste the result from 'ls -l | grep sc_serv' |
| 22:02.21 | babilen | edju: What do you need it for? |
| 22:02.22 | jelly-hme | edju: which application are you trying to run? |
| 22:02.28 | BrendenB | k |
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| 22:02.44 | jelly-hme | edju: what does ldd /path/to/its/binary say? |
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| 22:03.22 | BrendenB | tigermann http://pastebin.com/S8zKSTj4 |
| 22:03.26 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: the way I see it pg_ctl and pgctlcluster can only take on "-D" option for data AND conf dir. in debian the conf files have been moved to /etc/postgresql/... and the data to /var/lib/postgrewsql/..... |
| 22:03.37 | jelly-hme | edju: if it's built against gtk+ 1.2, there's no need to try gtk2 -- it won't work. |
| 22:04.23 | edju | jelly-hme, OK, that's it then. Thanks. |
| 22:04.26 | tigermann | BrendenB: what :) |
| 22:04.36 | tigermann | BrendenB: try 'sh sc_serv' |
| 22:04.59 | BrendenB | k |
| 22:05.19 | BrendenB | tigermann <Bird> radio@node:~$ sh sc_serv |
| 22:05.19 | BrendenB | <Bird> sc_serv: sc_serv: cannot execute binary file |
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| 22:05.41 | tigermann | well, there you have it |
| 22:05.45 | tigermann | you just tried to execute it |
| 22:05.48 | tigermann | and it didn't work |
| 22:05.57 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: uh... I said -o -d5 or similar, which isn't the -D option for pg_ctl |
| 22:06.03 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: it's the -d5 option for postgres |
| 22:06.03 | tigermann | your problem is solved |
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| 22:07.05 | BrendenB | tigermann ....-.-....we're trying to fix it |
| 22:07.09 | BrendenB | so it will execute |
| 22:07.30 | tigermann | BrendenB: but it won't |
| 22:07.38 | BrendenB | . |
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| 22:08.10 | BrendenB | tigermann keyword /fix/ i already know it wont execute. |
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| 22:08.34 | andrew12 | okay, let me say something. the file is a binary file, in other words, it's compiled. he's trying to run it with ./sc_serv |
| 22:08.43 | BrendenB | it obviously isn't executing i asked how to fix it |
| 22:08.46 | andrew12 | you can't run a binary file as a shell script (i.e. sh) |
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| 22:09.16 | tigermann | andrew12: when i asked him ti run it with sh i didn't know it was a compiled file |
| 22:09.23 | tigermann | to* |
| 22:09.25 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: pg_lsclusters gives 8.4 main 5432 down postgres /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main custom; however pg_ctlcluster -o -d 5 /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main/ start gives Error: specified cluster does not exist |
| 22:09.41 | andrew12 | tigermann: if it says "cannot execute binary file" then it's obviously a compiled file... |
| 22:09.56 | tigermann | yeah |
| 22:10.09 | tigermann | but again, when i asked him to run it with sh i didn't know that |
| 22:10.25 | tigermann | how could i when i didn't have the result.. |
| 22:10.25 | andrew12 | but you...oh it doesn't matter -_- |
| 22:10.35 | cryptic | hey, I'm looking to implement some sort of system for revision control for both web sites and school documents...just something that will enable me to do work on my laptop and desktop (both running windows). ideally, i would use client software on both of those machine that communicates version info to my debian server. would cvs be best for this? |
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| 22:10.53 | andrew12 | prefers git |
| 22:11.11 | tigermann | is used to svn |
| 22:11.16 | babilen | cryptic: No - At least use something like svn. I would recommend git, hg, bzr or darcs though |
| 22:11.24 | andrew12 | :] |
| 22:11.27 | cryptic | thanks guys |
| 22:11.29 | NiLon | oletko vielä hengissä, missä sä oot ja mitä teet, oletko yhtä kaunis kuin sä olit vai onko kadonneet kiharat olkapäiltäsi ja pienet silkkikäsineet |
| 22:11.30 | babilen | cryptic: I prefer git |
| 22:11.38 | NiLon | oops, sorry wrong window ^^ |
| 22:11.44 | tigermann | NiLon: finska funkar inte här :) |
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| 22:14.31 | NiLon | tigermann jag vet :p |
| 22:16.58 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: any idea? |
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| 22:18.41 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: its pg_ctlclusters -o -d5 8.4 main start; |
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| 22:21.20 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: sorry about the confusion. pg_ctlcluster -o -d5 8.4 main start -> The PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output. |
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| 22:21.57 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: now check the log output, and see what it says (if anything) |
| 22:24.43 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: nothing in syslog, /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-8.4-main.log |
| 22:25.09 | NoReflex | I activated pg_log ... and it should appear in /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main/ but it doesn't |
| 22:25.47 | dondelelcaro | ugh. everything logs to stderr |
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| 22:27.21 | dondelelcaro | anyway, since you aren't getting any output from that, you'll have to run sudo -H -u postgres postgres -d5 -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main; or similar to see what is going on |
| 22:27.26 | dondelelcaro | --single-user may also be necessary |
| 22:28.08 | robbe- | Can anyone suggest me a good option parsing library for C programs that also support config files, apart from libpopt? |
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| 22:31.32 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: postgres cannot access the server configuration file "/var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main/postgresql.conf": No such file or directory - but that is the data dir...the conf dir is /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/ .... |
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| 22:35.05 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: oh, it may be /etc/postgresql/8.4/main that you need; I honestly haven't debugged postgresql in a long time |
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| 22:35.59 | robbe- | Also what the hell is the homepage for libpopt :p |
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| 22:39.45 | babilen | robbe-: Try ##c ;) |
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| 22:40.55 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: it told me what the problem was....after configuring shared_buffers it exceeed kernel.shmmax. I edited /etc/sysctl.conf but I forgot to load it (sysctl -p). |
| 22:41.10 | NoReflex | thank you for your patience and support :) |
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| 22:43.30 | babilen | NoReflex: The init script typically complains about that. I wonder why it did not for you. I could have saved you some time :-\ |
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| 22:46.26 | jfb86 | hello |
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| 22:49.58 | Enmity | I am still kinda new to all this, I have just installed debian and would like to know if there is a nice way to change the screen resolution so I don't have to scroll sideways on my monitor all the time please. Tried right click properties on the desktop but that would be too easy wouldn't it ;-) |
| 22:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | Enmity: Are you scrolling the desktop or within the web browser. |
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| 22:50.39 | Enmity | desktop |
| 22:52.06 | jfb86 | for people who remembered my problems with ADAPTEC RAID CONTROLLER 3405, i come back for the callback. Lenny launches, the server is OK, but it took a long time (long is relative ;) ) and bips for a long time. This is not a critical problem, my RAID5 is well recognized by the system (1 disk of 678 Gb), but the bips are really .."agressive" for the ears, and the boot time is long. Oh, another problem, which is important, the timer for grub isn't her |
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| 22:52.34 | Enmity | I tried system -> preferences -> screen resolution but it does not allow me to change it or enter anything, the fields are just blank |
| 22:53.07 | linuxman410 | is there any way to upgrade 4.0 to 5 without a cdrom |
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| 22:54.50 | Nehtaro | hello |
| 22:54.56 | nsadmin | jfb86: instead of making people remember (easily, this would be a paid service), be specific informative concise complete about what your situation is, one at a time. another thing you should do instead of expecting someone else to remember, is collect questions, answers, diagrams and history data in one place so you can present it |
| 22:55.12 | Nehtaro | Which is more practical for usage, testing or unstable? |
| 22:55.29 | Nehtaro | and if it depends on certain variables, what are those? |
| 22:55.29 | nsadmin | (paid service meaning: if you want me to remember, I want money) |
| 22:55.36 | themill | Nehtaro: for practical usage? stable. |
| 22:55.37 | jfb86 | nsadmin : excuse me... and excuse my english.. :( |
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| 22:55.57 | Nehtaro | themill: I know that is the most of the three, but that's not what I asked. |
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| 22:56.24 | nsadmin | no problem... it's just that I noticed there are things you can do to speed things along |
| 22:56.27 | ElDiabolo | Enmity: What graphics adapter? What is your current resolution, any ides? |
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| 22:56.42 | Cain | !tell linuxman410 about etch->lenny |
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| 22:57.02 | themill | Nehtaro: There isn't really an answer to the question you did ask, however. They both have serious issues for real-world usage depending on what your usage patterns are and how much you know about debian. Only you can make that choice. |
| 22:57.21 | Enmity | EIDiablo Laptop is a Thinkpad W500, how would I find that info out? |
| 22:57.44 | ElDiabolo | Enmity: lspci in a terminal |
| 22:57.57 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |
| 22:58.06 | jfb86 | nsadmin: thanks... |
| 22:58.13 | ElDiabolo | but i need to sllep now. n8 |
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| 22:58.22 | Nehtaro | themill: Well then, I can ask two separate questions. Which has updates more often, and which is more likely to have crashes (if one of them is more likely to)? |
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| 22:59.03 | Enmity | wow, thats an awesome command. VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
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| 22:59.34 | nsadmin | Enmity: lspci -nn, show that line too |
| 23:00.07 | jfb86 | so is anyone have an idea for the bips on a RAID CONTROLLER ADAPTEC 3405 when booting Lenny? anyone has an idea for the timeout sequence on GRUB, which is not active, even with modifications and update-grub? thanks :) |
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| 23:00.39 | Enmity | there is 2 lines. one says vga controller and other says display controller - which one? |
| 23:00.42 | themill | Nehtaro: they both update several times per daily. Sid breaks more often, testing breaks for longer. If you don't already know that much about debian, you really should ask yourself if you should be running the development release. |
| 23:00.57 | nsadmin | display |
| 23:01.07 | Nehtaro | themill: Alright, thank you. |
| 23:01.26 | Enmity | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a43] (rev 07) - What does the -nn do? |
| 23:01.49 | nsadmin | -nn gives [8086:2a43] |
| 23:02.01 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:2a43] |
| 23:02.02 | judd | [8086:2a43] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a43 |
| 23:02.38 | zinx | may want to try the VGA controller's pci id instead |
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| 23:03.02 | nsadmin | Enmity: show the vga controller line |
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| 23:03.25 | zinx | i expect that it's 8086:2a42, which has a driver |
| 23:03.26 | nsadmin | zinx: thanks, good point |
| 23:03.37 | Enmity | I can select between chipset and radeon graphics in the bios, but thought linux would be easier to set up with chipset first because I was told radeon you have to update firmware in kernel and thats harder |
| 23:04.10 | Enmity | Here is the VGA line - 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
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| 23:04.36 | nsadmin | zinx called it :) |
| 23:04.49 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:2a42 |
| 23:04.50 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
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| 23:05.36 | widmo | hi |
| 23:05.39 | linuxman410 | tried to edit with vi and does not work |
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| 23:07.54 | Squawk | Guys, if a dosfsck reports that "both FATs appear to be corrupt: giving up", but I can still get at the data via recovery software (testdisk), is there likely to be a way to mount the partition or am I flogging a dead horse and hsould simply backup the data and move on? |
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| 23:08.54 | linuxman410 | tried to edit my software sources.list with vi and it does not work |
| 23:09.19 | Mowee | Night o/ |
| 23:09.21 | Nehtaro | Anyone know what kernel version squeeze will likely be, or is at now? (I.E. 2.6.xx ?) |
| 23:09.36 | themill | dpkg: tell Nehtaro about squeeze kernel |
| 23:09.49 | Enmity | so now that I know debian has a driver for my laptop, how do I configure it to stop having to scroll sideways? |
| 23:09.54 | dvs | Nehtaro: 2.6.32 |
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| 23:10.18 | Nehtaro | dvs: ok, thank you |
| 23:10.36 | dvs | np |
| 23:10.42 | jfb86 | nobody for my questions? |
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| 23:11.45 | linuxman410 | can anyone tell me how to edit my sources.list cause vi is not working |
| 23:11.53 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxman410 about doesn't work |
| 23:12.05 | jfb86 | linuxman410: try nano |
| 23:12.16 | Nehtaro | Does squeeze not have a volatile repo, or is just different from http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile |
| 23:12.16 | themill | linuxman410: are you root? |
| 23:12.18 | jfb86 | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:12.31 | themill | Nehtaro: seriously... you shouldn't be using testing. |
| 23:12.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Nehtaro about volatile |
| 23:12.57 | linuxman410 | yes i was root i try to change it and can not type in that file |
| 23:12.58 | Nehtaro | themill: I have no data to lose, and I'm not a linux newbie, just a debian newbie. Appreciate the warning though |
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| 23:13.50 | Nehtaro | linuxman410: Do you know how to use vi? If you don't, like jfb86 said, nano should work. su -c 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 23:14.32 | themill | linuxman410: what do you mean by "can not type". Do you know how to use the vi editor? |
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| 23:15.36 | jfb86 | linuxman410: if you have problems with the standard vi editor, install vim, or use nano or emacs |
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| 23:15.52 | dvs | or edlin ;-) |
| 23:15.57 | jfb86 | ;) |
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| 23:18.35 | jfb86 | people, i'm going to bed, 00h16 in france, i'm tired... i want to recup my 20 years old..not possible...snif... :( i'll continue to work on my adaptec and my database tomorrow.. have a nice day, or a good night for those who are in my locales ;) |
| 23:18.37 | jfb86 | ++ |
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| 23:19.41 | Nehtaro | jfb86: night |
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| 23:32.05 | amimusa | hello, i want to mount a secondary hd accesible for all users, i am trying diferent options in fstab and command line but no success |
| 23:32.09 | amimusa | any hint, please ?¿ |
| 23:32.16 | amimusa | thanks for your time |
| 23:33.14 | Nehtaro | amimusa: Where are you trying to mount it, and what kind of filesystem is on it? |
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| 23:34.10 | amimusa | mount /dev/hdd1 -t ext3 /mnt/hdd1/ -o rw,umask=000,defaults |
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| 23:34.30 | amimusa | mount doesn't like umask option |
| 23:34.40 | amimusa | without it, i can mount it but only for root access |
| 23:35.00 | amimusa | alos tried with users option, but users can't write |
| 23:35.07 | amimusa | s/alos/also |
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| 23:36.18 | Nehtaro | so mount /dev/hdd1 -t ext3 /mnt/hdd1/ -o defaults,rw,users doesn't work |
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| 23:37.53 | fus0r | i got some problem using software raid with mdadm if i create a raid 0 device /dev/md0 i get same disk read speeds like single disk device :S |
| 23:38.58 | Nehtaro | amimusa: I'm sorry, I don't really know why. :( |
| 23:39.11 | amimusa | Nehtaro, works, but users are not allowed to write on the device, i'd like use this device for users too |
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| 23:39.31 | nkuttler | does somebody know an ftp client that can be run from the command line and only downloads files that don't exist locally yet? |
| 23:39.43 | Nehtaro | amimusa: Lemme look stuff up now, but as this point my guess is as good as yours :P |
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| 23:40.06 | amimusa | thanks for your help Nehtaro |
| 23:40.10 | fus0r | nkuttler i belive pftp could do this |
| 23:40.23 | nkuttler | fus0r: i'll look into it, thanks |
| 23:41.44 | Nehtaro | bollocks. Attempted upgrade to squeeze has rendered my computer unusable. :P |
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| 23:42.07 | Nehtaro | amimusa: I'll be back within a half hour in case you can't figure it out. |
| 23:42.21 | amimusa | thanks, i am working on it too :) |
| 23:42.31 | Nehtaro | amimusa: try on ##linux as well |
| 23:42.36 | Tramp | amimusa: you have to adjust the permissions on the directories on the mounted partition |
| 23:42.36 | amimusa | ok, thanks |
| 23:42.45 | Tramp | s/partition/filesystem/ |
| 23:43.13 | frikinz | amimusa, well, you need to have write bit for the users then. either chown user:user the directory or chmod 777 which effectively allows everyone to write to the disk |
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| 23:46.40 | linuxman410 | it comes up error saying line 7 is wrong |
| 23:46.43 | icebrain | hi! what can cause a filsystem to become read-only? I have "noatime,rw,errors=panic", so in case of errors, it should panic instead of remount, right? Besides, I just see "Mounting all filesystems" and then the daemons complain the FS is read-only... |
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| 23:48.14 | linuxman410 | i changed them all to lenny with nano and it comes up with error talking about line 7 |
| 23:48.26 | frikinz | icebrain, file system corruption? did you try fsck -n on the device |
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| 23:48.43 | icebrain | frikinz: yep, it checks out fine |
| 23:49.03 | themill | linuxman410: without knowing what you have on line 7 we can't really help. Only you can see what's on the screen in front of you |
| 23:50.25 | linuxman410 | i had to install 4.0 from floppies so everything i see on net about it does not match |
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| 23:51.23 | initself | how do you turn off the prompt for installing stuff Y/N with apt-get install? |
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| 23:51.51 | initself | oh, maybe there is a command line option? |
| 23:51.51 | frikinz | initself, -y |
| 23:51.53 | themill | initself: man apt-get |
| 23:52.01 | initself | good stuff, didn't even think of that |
| 23:52.04 | initself | initself-- |
| 23:52.24 | frikinz | icebrain, fsck -fn too? |
| 23:52.32 | linuxman410 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.41 | linuxman410 | that is the error |
| 23:52.49 | nkuttler | fus0r: btw, wget works just fine, doh! |
| 23:52.51 | innociv | Anyone know a good "First steps" guide for debian5 server set up? I googled http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/debian-5-lenny/ |
| 23:53.06 | innociv | wait that's no good doesn't show setting up users |
| 23:53.23 | Wyzard | linuxman410: Are you missing "deb" at the beginning of the line? |
| 23:53.26 | themill | linuxman410: you're presumably missing the "deb " at the start of the line. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:54.00 | icebrain | frikinz: sorry, just -f, but -n is to avoid fixing and just report, right? even without it, it should report (and correct), no? |
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| 23:56.01 | frikinz | icebrain, correcting a mounted disk is somehow dangerous.. you could "touch /forcefsck" and reboot |
| 23:56.30 | icebrain | frikinz: it's not mounted. It's a flash drive, and I've connected it to another PC |
| 23:56.36 | linuxman410 | thanks that was it |
| 23:56.43 | amimusa | Tramp, frikinz ... here is my try and errors: http://pastebin.com/yJeNthtK |
| 23:56.50 | amimusa | I don't understand |
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| 23:57.07 | amimusa | it should work :s |
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| 23:57.23 | amimusa | thanks in advance for your time |
| 23:58.21 | Tramp | amimusa: the permissions of the mountpoint are irrelevant once the new FS is mounted. |
| 23:58.39 | amimusa | why i get error with umask option ?¿ |
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| 23:59.28 | frikinz | not sure if ext3 has umask.. |
| 23:59.30 | Tramp | amimusa: because umask is irrelevant for ext3 (at least according to my manpage). ext3 has permissions |
| 23:59.33 | amimusa | i guessed umask is to specify the user permissions on the mounted device |
| 23:59.40 | frikinz | man mount |
| 23:59.51 | amimusa | i was looking to man mount |
