| 00:00.05 | Wyzard | amimusa: That's only for filesystems like FAT that don't actually support permissions, so the driver has to simulate them |
| 00:00.08 | Tramp | amimusa: you guessed wrong. Guessing is rarely a good way in IT. And my manpage does not mention umask under ext* options |
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| 00:00.30 | Tramp | amimusa: if you manpage says differently, I'd be surprised |
| 00:00.45 | Wyzard | amimusa: You can't specify permissions for an ext3 filesystem when mounting it because the filesystem has permissions stored in it already |
| 00:01.03 | amimusa | no, it doesn't said that either. i gussed wrong |
| 00:01.09 | Tramp | see. |
| 00:01.19 | amimusa | so how could i set this device available for all users ? |
| 00:01.29 | Tramp | So now do, what we told you half an hour ago: Adjust the permissions on the FS |
| 00:01.42 | hayleyw | chmod/chown |
| 00:01.54 | amimusa | but once it is mounted ?¿ |
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| 00:02.03 | hayleyw | sigh |
| 00:02.21 | frikinz | yes |
| 00:02.22 | Wyzard | Mount it, then chmod/chown the things on it |
| 00:02.54 | amimusa | so i each reboot it won't work as I need since I change again the permissions :s |
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| 00:03.03 | Wyzard | No, the permissions are stored on the filesystem |
| 00:03.04 | hayleyw | amimusa, no |
| 00:03.05 | Tramp | amimusa: and now crosspasting in ##linux will get you even more confused. Good Luck. |
| 00:03.06 | Wyzard | Change them once, and they stay that way |
| 00:03.19 | Wyzard | That's the whole point of having permissions support in a filesystem |
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| 00:04.05 | amimusa | Tramp, I think I have things more cleaer now, thanks |
| 00:05.38 | Tramp | that's why you /now/ ask again the same stuff in ##linux? |
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| 00:06.03 | fus0r | i got some problem using software raid with mdadm if i create a raid 0 device /dev/md0 i get same disk read speeds like single disk device :S |
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| 00:06.51 | hayleyw | fus0r, that's because it's software raid. you want performance, do real hardware raid |
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| 00:09.03 | fus0r | i got a hardware raid controller but i dont want to create a raid 0 from hole disk, i need only a raid 0 from small partitions |
| 00:09.24 | hayleyw | fus0r, so deal with it |
| 00:10.55 | amimusa | Tramp, I asked the same in other channel to get more choices, visions, ... etc, sorry if that bother to you |
| 00:11.10 | amimusa | i am trying now, i think i got it, will come back to inform |
| 00:11.22 | amimusa | thanks for your time |
| 00:11.25 | epsilon | fus0r: can't you do that with your hardwareRAID? |
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| 00:12.50 | Rapsodius | I need emesene v1.5 or greater to connect, but stable is stuck at 1.0, and it's not in the volatile repo, what should I do? |
| 00:13.04 | fus0r | hmm i belive hardware raid can only use hole disk devices? |
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| 00:13.46 | hayleyw | !tell Rapsodius about ssb |
| 00:14.01 | hayleyw | fus0r, no, it can do partitions |
| 00:14.03 | docgnome | anyone use uim? I can't seem to get it to work in qt apps or in urxvt |
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| 00:14.43 | epsilon | fus0r: if you have real hardware-RAID, it can manage multiple arrays |
| 00:15.59 | fus0r | yes but can i create an array from 3 partitions from 3 devices? for example /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdc3 and /dev /sdd3 ? |
| 00:16.28 | Rapsodius | that should help |
| 00:16.39 | epsilon | fus0r: which raid-card do you use? |
| 00:16.45 | fus0r | hp smart array |
| 00:16.49 | fus0r | 400 |
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| 00:17.07 | amimusa | hey! it works ! :D thanks |
| 00:17.09 | Rapsodius | another issue: my X server numlock is inverted, like the led is turned on but the numlock is off and vice-versa |
| 00:17.12 | epsilon | dunno that card, but HP should provide such feature |
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| 00:17.42 | epsilon | usually you can create arrays in your controller-BIOS: physical disk -> logical disk -> arrays |
| 00:18.44 | fus0r | i'll check for this if this is possible |
| 00:21.22 | fus0r | hmm wired tested somethink other, if i use the hole disk device with mdadm and create a raid 0 i get good speed, but if i create on each device a small partition and create from this partitions a raid 0 speed realy sucks, how could this be? |
| 00:21.50 | innociv | http://articles.slicehost.com/2009/3/31/debian-lenny-setup-page-1 This says "Give the 'visudo' command:".. isn't that running vi as sudo or wahtever? |
| 00:21.51 | innociv | whatever* |
| 00:21.55 | innociv | not saying what file to open.. |
| 00:23.30 | Rapsodius | screw it, I'm gonna go testing |
| 00:24.36 | epsilon | fus0r: if unsure, use the whole disk for one array. Splitting is only technical-possible solution, not performance solution |
| 00:25.37 | fus0r | i got 12 harddisk but i dont want to 3 hole harddisks for my raid0 i dont need so much space in this array |
| 00:26.02 | fus0r | I#ll test something other |
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| 00:30.14 | innociv | how do i open the sudoer's file?.. |
| 00:30.29 | Neo|Console | innociv: visudo |
| 00:30.36 | innociv | command not found.. |
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| 00:30.47 | Neo|Console | or nano /etc/sudoers |
| 00:30.52 | innociv | empty. etc... |
| 00:30.55 | innociv | wtF* |
| 00:30.57 | Neo|Console | you may not have sudo installed |
| 00:31.01 | epsilon | you can edit it manually, but without syntax-test |
| 00:31.09 | innociv | ahh |
| 00:31.11 | innociv | it wasn't |
| 00:31.13 | Neo|Console | apt-get install sudo |
| 00:31.21 | innociv | yep done already. ty! |
| 00:31.25 | Neo|Console | np |
| 00:31.46 | innociv | weird that nano was isntalled and not sudo |
| 00:32.34 | Neo|Console | hey guys, i have an intresting hardware problem.. Appearently my system kills ssh after ~2 minutes of usage, and afterwards refuses to respond to ping.. |
| 00:32.50 | Neo|Console | any ideas on why this migth be happening? |
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| 00:33.20 | dondelelcaro | Neo|Console: if it refuses to respond to ping, then you need to know what is going on with the machine itself using a console. |
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| 00:34.26 | ngomes | anyone can help me with ati 9600 on debian sid ? |
| 00:34.47 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 00:34.47 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>, <mach64>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:34.49 | Neo|Console | hmm |
| 00:35.51 | ngomes | i try to install the fglrx-driver |
| 00:36.03 | ngomes | and aptitude says it got unmet dependencies |
| 00:36.08 | ngomes | and does not install |
| 00:36.16 | themill | ngomes: i386? |
| 00:36.21 | ngomes | yes |
| 00:36.27 | themill | ngomes: it's broken at the moment. Welcome to sid... try again tomorrow. |
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| 00:36.35 | ngomes | crap |
| 00:36.44 | Vasistha | !sid |
| 00:36.44 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 00:36.47 | ngomes | but i can try the installer from ati , right |
| 00:37.09 | Vasistha | !tell ngomes -about ati |
| 00:37.25 | ngomes | K |
| 00:37.35 | Vasistha | ngomes: in other words, you're on your own on that one. |
| 00:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do people install sid if they don't enjoy bugs? |
| 00:37.46 | themill | ngomes: the ati installer isn't a good plan. Try again tomorrow. |
| 00:38.24 | ngomes | damn |
| 00:38.32 | ngomes | can i use x driver ? |
| 00:38.35 | Vasistha | there was a time when I thought it would be nifty to have the newest versions of software. boy was I naive. that was a long time ago. |
| 00:38.43 | ngomes | the open source driver ? |
| 00:39.00 | ngomes | cause i dont feel , into removing GPU again from computer |
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| 00:39.26 | nevyn | Vasistha: there is a reason it's called the "bleeding edge" |
| 00:40.07 | Vasistha | ngomes: maybe you should install debian stable instead and leave the sid headaches behind. your questions don't befit someone with the knowledge to keep a sid system running. |
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| 00:41.04 | ngomes | but i need some bleeding edge software |
| 00:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn, tell me about it :) (points at nick) |
| 00:41.12 | ngomes | and open source ati fails on me |
| 00:41.19 | ngomes | driver "radeon" |
| 00:41.43 | Vasistha | ngomes: what bleeding edge software do you need? have you looked at backports? |
| 00:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3D-tetris :) |
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| 00:41.59 | Vasistha | yeeeehaw |
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| 00:42.03 | ngomes | nicotine-plus , per example |
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| 00:42.31 | ngomes | and kernel 2.6.up than 29 to support my wifi card |
| 00:42.48 | ngomes | on 2.6.26 , is does not work |
| 00:42.53 | dvs | ngomes: still look at backports |
| 00:43.04 | ngomes | damn |
| 00:43.13 | ngomes | i dont feel like re-installing the system |
| 00:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nicotine |
| 00:43.16 | judd | nicotine -- etch: 1.2.6+dfsg-1; lenny: 1.2.9+dfsg-2; sid: 1.2.14+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.2.14+dfsg-1 |
| 00:43.26 | dvs | ngomes: no reinstallation necessary |
| 00:43.28 | ngomes | i use 1.2.14 |
| 00:43.30 | Vasistha | ngomes: you're gonna have a lot more headaches than one system reinstall if you try to run sid |
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| 00:43.50 | ngomes | can i go to stable with aptitude ? |
| 00:43.53 | puff | What's the standard way to set up an SVN repo in debian? |
| 00:43.54 | ngomes | some sayed no |
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| 00:44.12 | puff | That is, I want to set up an SVN repo for multi-user access, is there a standard approach? |
| 00:44.13 | jelly-hme | !tell ngomes about partial downgrade |
| 00:45.04 | epsilon | ngomes: if you really need bleeding edge, use windows or ubuntu or debian experimental |
| 00:45.12 | epsilon | but NOT debian stable |
| 00:45.25 | jelly-hme | epsilon: there is no "debian experimental" distro |
| 00:45.30 | ngomes | now u getting me confused |
| 00:45.39 | jelly-hme | epsilon: your line kind of implies there is |
| 00:45.42 | Vasistha | epsilon: we're trying to get him off sid :P |
| 00:46.24 | ngomes | ok |
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| 00:46.33 | ngomes | ill just replace GPU and try again tomorrow |
| 00:46.51 | ngomes | since is a broken package , nothing i can do |
| 00:47.02 | pcc1 | I did "apt-file search hcid" and couldn't find anytihng. where is hcid? |
| 00:47.08 | puff | I guess just create a SVN group, add all interested users, create /var/lib/SVNROOT, chgrp it to the SVN group, etc. |
| 00:47.30 | ngomes | ok thanks |
| 00:47.31 | ngomes | bye |
| 00:47.44 | jelly-hme | puff: that's pretty much the norm |
| 00:49.09 | gusnan | Does anyone have a way to run the non-free virtualbox on testing? virtualbox themselves give a sources.list line, but only for stable. |
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| 00:49.11 | Vasistha | hum. d'ya think a person like him is better off using sid or ubuntu? |
| 00:49.19 | epsilon | puff: should be in some bluetooth pakages |
| 00:49.42 | Vasistha | gusnan: did you try just adding the stable sources.list line and installing that version? |
| 00:49.43 | WaterRatj | Anyone can help me setup my wireless? |
| 00:50.09 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: probably, but you should just ask your question rather than first looking for volunteers |
| 00:50.20 | epsilon | ehh, pcc1: should be in some bluetooth pakages |
| 00:50.30 | WaterRatj | Well that was the question, how do i enable my wireless |
| 00:50.34 | gusnan | Vasistha, oh, actually I havn't tried that.. |
| 00:51.10 | epsilon | WaterRatj: is the hardware recognised? |
| 00:51.31 | WaterRatj | think so, shows up in lsusb |
| 00:51.47 | epsilon | and in iwconfig/iwlist? |
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| 00:52.03 | Vasistha | gusnan: neither have I as I run stable. Come to think of it, it might not work because the thing needs kernel hooks. http://gnuski.blogspot.com/2009/10/howto-virtualbox-on-debian-squeeze.html |
| 00:52.35 | WaterRatj | commands not reconised |
| 00:52.53 | epsilon | do oyu use network manager on desktop? |
| 00:52.55 | dvs | WaterRatj: aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 00:53.25 | WaterRatj | nvm was not in root |
| 00:53.38 | WaterRatj | yes wlan0 is reconised |
| 00:53.54 | Vasistha | gusnan: http://www.mail-archive.com/vbox-users@virtualbox.org/msg05433.html |
| 00:54.29 | epsilon | WaterRatj: is your wlan wpa(2) protected or no encryption? |
| 00:54.55 | gusnan | Thanks Vasistha! |
| 00:55.02 | Vasistha | gusnan: np, good luck |
| 00:55.06 | WaterRatj | think its protected but i cn't get the icon in my tray for choosing wireless connection |
| 00:55.36 | epsilon | WaterRatj: can't help with that, I don't use network manager... I do everything in commandline |
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| 00:57.40 | WaterRatj | Anyone else? |
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| 00:59.36 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: my usual recommendation is to ditch networkmanager and use wicd instead. It just works a lot better. |
| 01:00.09 | nvz | WaterRatj: I 2nd that. |
| 01:00.41 | nvz | network manager is only acceptible in situations where a machine has only one wired connection and will always be using DHCP.. heh |
| 01:00.44 | neuro_damage | in debian how do I set all the init scripts to start in particular run levels? |
| 01:00.54 | nvz | neuro_damage: update-rc.d |
| 01:01.16 | WaterRatj | I will from the moment i can download wicd with my current connection |
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| 01:01.23 | WaterRatj | but first need to get it working |
| 01:01.32 | neuro_damage | nvz: cheers |
| 01:01.48 | nvz | WaterRatj: wicd isn't in stable, need to get it from lenny-backports if you have lenny |
| 01:02.12 | WaterRatj | i know, but need to get netowrk manager working first before i can download :d |
| 01:02.30 | zinx | WaterRatj: wired or wireless? |
| 01:02.52 | nvz | yeah well sucks to be you.. either turn encryption off, and simply connect from the command line, plug it in, or download it on another machine |
| 01:03.08 | zinx | ah wireless |
| 01:05.12 | nvz | Is probably coming down with something, feels like he's been kicked in the face, going to lay down and making groaning sounds. heh |
| 01:05.26 | Vasistha | nvz: drink loads of water |
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| 01:08.01 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: well, I don't know if anyone here is going to help you get online using networkmanager. So you've got a couple options. 1) wait. 2) stop using networkmanager and let one of us try to help you via CLI. 3) you've obviously got a computer online as you are chatting, so you could try and use that computer to either 3a) make a bridge with a crossover cable or 3b) download wicd and transfer it with a usb stick |
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| 01:23.16 | WaterRatj | Another questiuon how do i download a package and all its dependecies to stick? |
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| 01:23.37 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: from a debian system or a non-debian system? |
| 01:23.58 | brah | Is there any way to see the mac address of some computer already registered on ssh? |
| 01:24.13 | WaterRatj | non-debian |
| 01:24.17 | brah | As in, ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 01:24.23 | brah | Arp? |
| 01:24.37 | brah | arp -a only gives recent macs |
| 01:24.51 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: go to p.d.o (or apt.wicd.net as the case may be) and download the packages directly. It is rather cumbersome and time consuming |
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| 01:25.20 | WaterRatj | damn, why doesn't debian auto install wireless from beginning anyways |
| 01:25.41 | jelly-hme | WaterRatj: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:25.56 | WaterRatj | get my wireless working so i can go on the internet :p |
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| 01:26.34 | jelly-hme | ah, fun! |
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| 01:27.10 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: usually it's because the wireless radio driver is not in the debian release you're using, or some such. |
| 01:27.23 | jelly-hme | !wifi |
| 01:27.23 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 01:29.37 | SuperMiguel | whats easier to manage kvm or xen? |
| 01:31.55 | Vasistha | WaterRatj: at any rate, since you've got wlan0 available, chances are that you've got it set up properly, although it sure would be nice to do a couple tests on the command line to verify that. But you don't seem to want to do that, so I can't say whether getting wicd installed will really help you at all or not. You may be barking up the wrong tree. |
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| 02:01.34 | hackeron | hey, what's the equivalent to hal-find-by-capability now that hal is being replaced? |
| 02:02.40 | bogusnic | how can I configure X in Lenny since there's nothing inside xorg.conf? |
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| 02:03.29 | SuperMiguel | bogusnic, nothing nothing? |
| 02:03.40 | bogusnic | only generic stuff |
| 02:03.57 | bogusnic | I was used to manually configuring xorg.conf |
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| 02:04.10 | SuperMiguel | u can still configure it |
| 02:04.14 | bogusnic | and now there's no useful entry there |
| 02:04.26 | SuperMiguel | u add the entrys |
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| 02:05.21 | bogusnic | the thing is that I want to disable all dri and glx, but since there are none there, how can I do that? |
| 02:06.02 | bogusnic | I can't comment them out |
| 02:06.35 | hackeron | anyone? what's the equivalent to hal-find-by-capability now that hal is being replaced? |
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| 02:14.25 | bogusnic | SuperMiguel: any ideas? |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | bogusnic: configure it tod ow aht ? |
| 02:19.12 | bogusnic | disable dri and glx |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | you can put whatever you want in that file if you really want to turn off those things |
| 02:20.25 | hackeron | anyone? -- what do I use instead of hal-device, hal-get-property --udi $UDI, hal-find-by-capability, hal-find-by-property, etc now that there's no hal? |
| 02:20.55 | bogusnic | abrotman: I used to comment out the entries, but now there are no entries |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | so create the file and turn those options off |
| 02:21.31 | bogusnic | will it have same effect? |
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| 02:24.33 | dbbolton | when i run update-grub2, the output finds my other linux system, but its kernel doesn't show up in the menu. how can i get os-prober to add it? |
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| 02:29.03 | bogusnic | how do I know which driver Xorg is using, since there's no entry on xorg.conf ? |
| 02:29.19 | bogusnic | I mean, graphics card adapter |
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| 02:32.02 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:35.27 | Hatter[1] | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.02 | NiLon | ok.. time to sleep when I read whorewall |
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| 02:36.15 | abrotman | Hatter[1]: in squeeze/sid? still there apparently |
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| 02:37.51 | Hatter[1] | abrotman... lenny, its not there on the last 2 i checked... |
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| 02:38.46 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/shorewall-common/filelist |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | Hatter[1]: in squeeze they seem to bein the main package . .anyways, apt-file woudl have helped you find it |
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| 02:39.33 | Hatter[1] | abrotman... thx, there we go, i was looking in ../shorewall not ../shorewall-common |
| 02:39.45 | jony123 | Hi im going to make a .deb package. I want to put the files in /etc/pychoc/ then have a symbolic link at /usr/bin pointing to /etc/pychoc/main.py . Now what i want to know is under the project tree if i just make the symbolic link will the .deb still have it. ANd when its installed will the symbolic link still point to the correct place? |
| 02:39.47 | Hatter[1] | maybe it was in ../shorewall in etch, |
| 02:39.57 | Hatter[1] | or maybe not and i am loony |
| 02:40.08 | Hatter[1] | i havent used apt-file |
| 02:40.10 | Hatter[1] | i will check it now |
| 02:40.22 | ut | I'm trying to troubleshoot this debian desktop again. Running squeeze, and have a raid 5 on four drives. The system seems to lock up during resync. |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | jony123: for which distro? not sure they all have the same python policy |
| 02:40.37 | Hatter[1] | abrotman, apt-file ? |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | Hatter[1]: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search default-config |
| 02:41.12 | DeathWolf | where might I find information on why expo in compiz would fail to turn on? |
| 02:41.32 | DeathWolf | (ie logs, anything) |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | jony123: or even the same packaging policy |
| 02:42.03 | jony123 | abrotman: I mean building it following this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ which uses dpkg-deb |
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| 02:42.18 | abrotman | jony123: i still asked which distro |
| 02:42.37 | ut | i'm thinking that something is wrong with one of the drives that's causing the lockup when mdadm tries to resync them, and access data. |
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| 02:42.47 | ut | * or access data |
| 02:42.53 | DeathWolf | I check the Xorg log but nothing there |
| 02:42.58 | DeathWolf | s/check/checked/ |
| 02:43.01 | jony123 | abrotman: Oh umm Debian Squeeze |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | jony123: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ .. and if it's really for debian, try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:43.36 | Hatter[1] | i have been asked about a 20tb filing system, any reasons not to use Debian and software raid with 5 x 3tb drives ? |
| 02:43.57 | Hatter[1] | (except that 5x3 isnt twenty, but you get the drift) |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | Hatter[1]: other than 5x3 isn't 20 ? |
| 02:44.11 | jony123 | abrotman: Its not auctally intended for the main debian repository. For my own. But thanks anyway. |
| 02:44.13 | Hatter[1] | abrotman... haha i beat you |
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| 02:44.30 | abrotman | jony123: they still may help you (though it is late, so you may not get an answer right now) |
| 02:44.40 | Hatter[1] | one gotcha i can see is how long ext3 would take to to a fsck... |
| 02:46.05 | Hatter[1] | so i guess one wouldnt use ext3... |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | Hatter[1]: ext3 can't do a 20TB filesystem anyways |
| 02:47.26 | oobe | anyone know a script that still works to dload hulu videos |
| 02:47.32 | DeathWolf | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/8a504ee897505a71 sounds like my bug:) |
| 02:47.42 | hayleyw | oobe, totally offtopic |
| 02:48.43 | oobe | hmm what if its for use in debian |
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| 02:49.12 | Joint | hey i got a question i try mount a freebsd partition but i cannot. save nothing i get this message saying Error writing loader.conf: Read-only file system |
| 02:49.21 | Joint | i am root |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | Joint: this is #debian |
| 02:50.10 | Joint | i know it is, |
| 02:50.12 | Joint | i'm using debian, |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | Joint: you're using ubuntu |
| 02:50.23 | Joint | nope I'm not, |
| 02:50.27 | Joint | is just an ident, |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 02:50.47 | Joint | i have a fbsd version on my h/d that i wanted it to mount it |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | and a read-only file system is pretty descriptive |
| 02:50.50 | ut | grins |
| 02:50.52 | Joint | i did it with mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | Joint: you might want to give us your version of debian, your kernel (uname -r), and maybe your libc6 version |
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| 02:51.46 | abrotman | but if it's read-only .. it's read-only |
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| 02:54.20 | stsm | if i want to get a ready debian system to chroot into, with the mips architecture, do i just use debootstrap with the --download-only flag ? |
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| 02:54.55 | ut | oh, this is good. |
| 02:55.01 | ut | it just kernel panicked. |
| 02:55.14 | ut | how do you diagnose a kernel panic? |
| 02:55.56 | stsm | ut, some usefull info here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/how-to-troubleshoot-kernel-panic-591185/ |
| 02:56.07 | stsm | never had to deal with kernel panics myself though :( |
| 02:56.19 | stsm | lol i mean :D not :( |
| 02:56.19 | ut | had just gone googling |
| 02:56.21 | ut | thanks for the link |
| 02:56.25 | stsm | no prob |
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| 02:57.18 | stsm | ah no when i do download only it dowsnt make a filesystem out of it :( |
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| 02:59.25 | erikko | newbie to linux |
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| 03:24.40 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:24.53 | ut | 'lo |
| 03:25.02 | johnfg | I just noticed, on this fairly new install of lenny 5.04, that rsync isn't installed. |
| 03:25.26 | johnfg | That's what I'm used to using, is there something else that is more commonly used on debian? |
| 03:25.52 | stsm | strange :s |
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| 03:26.07 | stsm | afaik its allways been there by default for me |
| 03:26.11 | ut | is pretty sure rsync is distributed with his socks |
| 03:27.59 | pickcoder | it's installed for a standard system AFAIK |
| 03:28.01 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:28.04 | pickcoder | not installed |
| 03:28.18 | pickcoder | dpkg info rsync |
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| 03:28.52 | dpkg | rsync: (fast remote file copy program (like rcp)), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 330 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
| 03:28.54 | ut | so, what do you guys think chances are this raid resync kernel panic thing is coming from a squeeze kernel, vs some hardware failure or something? |
| 03:30.40 | pickcoder | what hardware raid |
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| 03:32.44 | ut | software raid |
| 03:32.48 | ut | mdadm, raid-5 |
| 03:33.46 | pickcoder | I'd bet my money on a bug |
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| 03:34.32 | johnfg | stsm, Well, it definitely wasn't installed, and I didn't do anything unusual in this install. NP to be installing it, but I just wondered why it wasn't installed automagically. |
| 03:34.55 | ut | mm. if it panics again, i'll try rebooting with an older kernel |
| 03:35.32 | stsm | johnfg, yes apperantly its optional, i dont think there's something better for rsync though |
| 03:35.41 | stsm | depends on what you want to do probably |
| 03:35.44 | stsm | on the goal |
| 03:36.54 | johnfg | I've always liked rsync best, so will use it. |
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| 03:37.49 | Hatter[1] | i like rsync |
| 03:37.58 | johnfg | Here's what I want to do now, maybe you can help me make sure I don't get a redundancy in the rsync. I want to copy my current home directory, all of it, to my afs home directory. So, I was going to do: |
| 03:38.03 | pickcoder | ut: if it panics again you can always compile debugging into the kernel and see what's going on |
| 03:38.20 | stsm | if i cannot debootstrap to my usb stick because of noexec or nodev, can i use debootstrap on some dir of my HD, and the ncopy all the contesnts? |
| 03:38.22 | stsm | will that work? |
| 03:38.40 | ut | I'll do that if this guy's desperate enough for me to take it home with me. |
| 03:39.17 | ut | doesn't know how to do that, but assumes he can figure it out with the help of the great Web |
| 03:39.20 | johnfg | rsync -avz /home/user /afs/myhost/u/us/user |
| 03:39.37 | pickcoder | ut: it's an option in the build menu |
| 03:39.51 | ut | oh, one of those. that'd be easy then. |
| 03:39.53 | pickcoder | but be prepared for a ton of messages and logs |
| 03:39.56 | ut | grins |
| 03:40.11 | Hatter[1] | johfg - no trailing slash will make a directory called user : /afs/myhost/u/us/user/user |
| 03:40.53 | Hatter[1] | use --delete also if you want to update the current files |
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| 03:41.57 | johnfg | But, will this copy /home/user in such a way that it will be in |
| 03:42.13 | johnfg | Hatter[1], nevermind previous, you answered, and that's NOT what I want. |
| 03:42.51 | johnfg | So, what's the syntax to copy the /home/user to /afs/myhost/user/u/us/user? |
| 03:43.04 | Hatter[1] | johnfg, add traling slash |
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| 03:43.40 | Hatter[1] | johnfg, rsync -avz --delete /home/stuff/ /afs/home/stuff |
| 03:43.42 | johnfg | so, like so: rsync -avz /home/user /afs/myhost/u/us/user/ |
| 03:44.02 | Hatter[1] | johnfg, trailing slash in 'from' section |
| 03:44.08 | johnfg | Or, like so: rsync -avz /home/user/ /afs/myhost/u/us/user |
| 03:44.16 | Hatter[1] | johnfg yes |
| 03:44.25 | johnfg | OK, here goes...and thanks! |
| 03:44.32 | Hatter[1] | you're welcome |
| 03:46.04 | Hatter[1] | johnfg: you can do it over the net to with ssh to |
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| 03:47.43 | bdheeman | hi, friends |
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| 03:48.02 | bdheeman | openvpn-config goes public http://sourceforge.net/projects/openvpn-config/ |
| 03:49.37 | Hatter[1] | goes public ? |
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| 03:50.34 | Hatter[1] | ...oh a wizard |
| 03:50.59 | Hatter[1] | nice one Balwinder |
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| 03:51.17 | bdheeman | yeah, available publicly now |
| 03:51.39 | bdheeman | Hatter[1]: thanks :) |
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| 03:52.51 | Hatter[1] | Balwinder, I just did around 15 of these without your program... |
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| 03:53.04 | Hatter[1] | maybe i would have liked you to be sooner :) |
| 03:53.46 | Hatter[1] | is it submitted to Debian ? |
| 03:54.19 | simonrvn | !rfp |
| 03:54.19 | dpkg | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
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| 04:02.47 | innociv | Lol I locked myself out of my server.. |
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| 04:05.46 | AgentArmstrong | smooth |
| 04:06.09 | pickcoder | I dunno that I'd admit that in a public channel |
| 04:06.45 | pickcoder | a live CD fixes all, except for dead hardware |
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| 04:08.56 | Snakefactory | hey everyone.. i need a bit of help with rsync. was in the #rsync but they can't help me |
| 04:09.20 | Snakefactory | before i post my issue, is there anyone in here that would like to help me? |
| 04:09.33 | rudi_s | !ask |
| 04:09.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:09.44 | pickcoder | Snakefactory: just post the question and see if anyone can help |
| 04:11.32 | Snakefactory | Alright. I installed rsync on lenny and for whatever reason, with a very simple config file (basically one virtual directory) but any time i try to connect a client to the server, i get this error: rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1524) [Receiver=3.0.7] |
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| 04:13.09 | AgentArmstrong | your so touchy dpkg |
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| 04:13.15 | boxxertrumps | is rsync on the server? |
| 04:13.25 | boxxertrumps | as in, installed |
| 04:14.06 | Snakefactory | yes it is.. it's running as a daemon and listening on port 873 - i am able to telnet to port 873 and |
| 04:14.16 | Snakefactory | it gives me usage information so the server responds.. |
| 04:15.12 | boxxertrumps | could you pastebin the config file? |
| 04:15.32 | Snakefactory | of course.. one moment |
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| 04:16.29 | Snakefactory | http://pastebin.com/G6PhgLje |
| 04:18.21 | innociv | pickcoder, dedicated server |
| 04:18.37 | innociv | actually i'm confused on how i looked myself out |
| 04:18.57 | innociv | I changed ssh to port 6767, then blocked all ports but web and 6767 |
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| 04:22.39 | rww | innociv: did you restart ssh? |
| 04:22.42 | Snakefactory | any ideas boxxertrumps? |
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| 04:22.57 | innociv | Nope. |
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| 04:23.04 | boxxertrumps | Snakefactory i have nothing |
| 04:23.05 | innociv | but then all ports should be open to ssh into.. |
| 04:23.06 | rww | innociv: then it's still sitting there listening on the old port |
| 04:23.09 | boxxertrumps | i feel inadequate |
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| 04:23.40 | innociv | but 20 is hanging |
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| 04:24.31 | innociv | yeah times out on port 20 |
| 04:24.44 | rww | because you blocked all ports but web and 6767... |
| 04:24.55 | Tramp | Snakefactory: anything in the logfile you provided in the config? |
| 04:25.07 | innociv | oh .. needed to restart for sshd to change yeha |
| 04:25.29 | Snakefactory | 2010/03/23 00:04:45 [31690] rsyncd version 3.0.7 starting, listening on port 873 |
| 04:25.35 | Snakefactory | tramp: and that's it |
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| 04:25.52 | innociv | so I need to contact my hosts support iguess |
| 04:25.53 | boxxertrumps | Snakefactory: i'm taking a look at the packages' bug list, nothing relevant] |
| 04:26.03 | boxxertrumps | the config file looks like it should work |
| 04:26.46 | Snakefactory | boxxertrumps: agreed |
| 04:26.52 | Snakefactory | it's extremely frustrating |
| 04:26.57 | boxxertrumps | hehe, actually there is one relevant bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335551 |
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| 04:27.06 | boxxertrumps | it wont help much though |
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| 04:28.45 | innociv | sucks not having a reboot button on a site |
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| 04:33.50 | boxxertrumps | well, that appears to be a normal exit code |
| 04:33.55 | boxxertrumps | "code 5" |
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| 04:34.31 | boxxertrumps | it means there was an error starting the client-server protocal |
| 04:34.35 | Snakefactory | error starting protocol |
| 04:34.36 | Snakefactory | right |
| 04:34.36 | boxxertrumps | right there on the manpage too |
| 04:35.56 | boxxertrumps | the rsync deamon can write to the log file, correct? |
| 04:36.45 | Snakefactory | yes |
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| 04:37.48 | Snakefactory | can i make the log file more verbose in the rsyncd.conf file? |
| 04:39.11 | boxxertrumps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.21 | boxxertrumps | is what you want on a line |
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| 04:40.23 | Snakefactory | doesn't seem to help |
| 04:40.32 | boxxertrumps | errr, "max verbosity = 7" i think |
| 04:41.05 | boxxertrumps | the rsyncd.conf manpage doesn't say what the maximum max is... |
| 04:41.25 | Snakefactory | i just set it to 3 |
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| 04:44.40 | stsm | why in gods name does cdebootstrap-static come as a deb or source lol |
| 04:44.43 | simonrvn | if it's like the typical unix log levels, you'll want 7 |
| 04:45.48 | boxxertrumps | 7 is a nice wholesome number, rather woody. |
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| 04:46.27 | boxxertrumps | not like the tinny 2 or 8, |
| 04:46.34 | boxxertrumps | most disagreeable |
| 04:47.16 | Snakefactory | ok it works |
| 04:47.23 | Snakefactory | i reloaded it as inetd |
| 04:47.25 | boxxertrumps | :D |
| 04:47.32 | Snakefactory | instead of an init.d startup scrip |
| 04:47.35 | Snakefactory | err script |
| 04:47.42 | Snakefactory | that's messed |
| 04:47.47 | boxxertrumps | yeah wtf |
| 04:47.53 | Snakefactory | aaaaanyway |
| 04:47.54 | Snakefactory | lol |
| 04:48.05 | Snakefactory | fighting with this for 3 hours |
| 04:48.09 | Snakefactory | it's really retarded |
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| 04:50.41 | Hatter[1] | I am about to replace filtergen with shorewall, but i cant see where filtergen is being called, anyone know ? |
| 04:50.48 | nevyn | is over inet.d the only thing that still uses it are "enterprise" backup solutions with developers too stupid to call select() |
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| 04:52.54 | Snakefactory | so why is rsync more robust than FTP |
| 04:53.08 | Hatter[1] | snakefactory, robust ? |
| 04:53.32 | Hatter[1] | snakefactory, it performs a function... moving, copying, updating data |
| 04:53.34 | Snakefactory | if anyone cares, the whole reason i'm doing this was that I have my regular desktop with about 3TB of data on it.. I don't want it on my main desktop anymore so i built a little debian server with 4x1.5TB drives in it |
| 04:53.55 | Snakefactory | well i thought i'd put up proftpd and just start uploading, go to bed and sometime the next day it would be done |
| 04:54.14 | Hatter[1] | snakefactory, you can do that. rsync doesnt need a server |
| 04:54.16 | Snakefactory | apparently that was a bad assumption because i woke up the next day it had transfered 300GB and was just sitting there.. durrrr |
| 04:54.38 | Snakefactory | right.. but everyone i've spoken to says rsync is a better choice than ftp.. but why.. |
| 04:54.43 | Hatter[1] | ftp shouldnt have stopped at 300gb |
| 04:54.47 | Snakefactory | agreed |
| 04:54.58 | Snakefactory | i get responses like |
| 04:55.03 | Snakefactory | "because it's FTP" |
| 04:55.07 | Hatter[1] | rsync serves a different purpose |
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| 04:55.13 | Thoric | i've been doing some digging & have found mol. I haven't been able to find information as to whether or not it can be used to run or rather attempt to run OSX intended software. Most Linux documentation is like driving directions that have been written in alphabetical order by street name: although technically all of the information is there, to sift through it you need either plenty of practice, or plenty of time. |
| 04:55.32 | Hatter[1] | but achieves the same thing basically, moving data |
| 04:55.47 | Hatter[1] | however rsync can copy only the files or parts of files that have changed |
| 04:55.52 | Snakefactory | but the protocol itself.. is it better suited to moving huge amounts of data? |
| 04:55.53 | Hatter[1] | making it perfect for mirroring |
| 04:56.06 | Snakefactory | like.. in the middle of binaries even? |
| 04:56.06 | boxxertrumps | Hatter[1]: it can copy everything 1:1 every time |
| 04:56.15 | Hatter[1] | i would say ftp would sit there and move data for weeks if you wanted it to |
| 04:56.21 | Dma | I use rsync to sync a couple of website servers of a customer |
| 04:56.36 | Hatter[1] | i like rsync |
| 04:56.56 | Hatter[1] | i use it to mirror data also |
| 04:57.08 | Dma | A tar.bz2 would be like 2.2GiB and would take like 2 hours to transfer, rsync does everything in.. 15mins? |
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| 04:57.40 | Hatter[1] | dma... i wouldnt think so... |
| 04:58.06 | Dma | I do, because not too many files change |
| 04:58.29 | Dma | the main is the database dump and as it's text, bz2 makes it pretty small |
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| 04:59.54 | Hatter[1] | if you are only modifying the changes to the file then its quicker, obviously |
| 05:00.48 | boxxertrumps | definitely |
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| 05:01.18 | Hatter[1] | which is rsyncs main strength |
| 05:01.35 | Dma | I'm syncing the "main server" (where all the changes are made) with the rest of mirror server which are set for load balancing |
| 05:02.06 | Hatter[1] | dma, right, so its just modifying the changes, making it a great tool for this |
| 05:02.15 | Dma | In my old absolute-newbie days I did a .tar.bz2 file but taked too long, then I read man rsync |
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| 05:16.30 | stsm | i figured i could use cdebootstrap-static on my mips router, to build myself a debian chroot, but... it makes no sense |
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| 05:16.42 | stsm | its a deb with a ton of files |
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| 05:17.19 | wols | stsm: your statement here doesn't make much sense either :) |
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| 05:20.20 | stsm | wols, let me rephrase |
| 05:21.05 | stsm | wols, i used debootstrap --arch mips on my desktop, with the target as my usb stick |
| 05:21.13 | stsm | wols, i use that usb stick in my router |
| 05:21.30 | stsm | wols, so i used this static busybox binary to chroot into it |
| 05:21.40 | wols | fritzbox? |
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| 05:21.59 | stsm | wols, only it seemed to work half, so this guy said i should debootstrap on the device itself, to get the proper configuration, etc for my system |
| 05:22.12 | stsm | wols, no its a rebranded sagem, its oncommon |
| 05:22.15 | stsm | uncommon |
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| 05:22.38 | stsm | wols, cpu model: Lexra LX4189 V0.0 |
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| 05:22.53 | stsm | wols, system type: ADI Fusiv Core |
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| 05:23.10 | stsm | BogoMIPS: 199.47 |
| 05:23.52 | stsm | wols, so is this true? can running debootstrap on the device itself fix my trouble? |
| 05:24.07 | stsm | or will i just endup with exactly the same |
| 05:25.28 | wols | you haven't said what the trouble was yet... |
| 05:25.36 | wols | !smart questions |
| 05:25.36 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 05:26.56 | stsm | wols, well i did ./busybox chroot /path/to/mychroot/ /bin/busybox, and ls didnt work, so i typed help, and only a small fraction of the busybox stuff is listed |
| 05:27.14 | stsm | wols, and i know for sure there's lots more in this busybox binary |
| 05:27.28 | stsm | since i also use it on the system itself (copied it to the chroot) |
| 05:27.33 | wols | I don't get your debian problem... |
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| 05:29.38 | Snakefactory | hello everyone.. I am running an rsync right now.. and for a long while things were going well, but now i'm seeing in atop that one of my disks is showing: sdc | busy 100% | read 3 | write 8 | avio 909 ms | |
| 05:29.41 | stsm | wols, the chroot wont boot... |
| 05:29.50 | Snakefactory | this drive failing? |
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| 05:30.21 | stsm | Snakefactory, be carefull its not a debian problem ()just kidding |
| 05:30.37 | Snakefactory | it's obviously killing performance.. dropping transfer to like 200k/s |
| 05:30.54 | Snakefactory | hah stsm |
| 05:31.11 | webPhone | ?? |
| 05:31.16 | stsm | Snakefactory, lol wols said that to me before you entered sorry :D |
| 05:31.28 | Snakefactory | :) |
| 05:31.36 | Snakefactory | also my load average has jumped to over 7 |
| 05:31.42 | dondelelcaro | Snakefactory: check dmesg, and you may also want to try iotop |
| 05:31.46 | wols | stsm: obviously not without a bootloader |
| 05:31.56 | webPhone | hey guys is debian best for web servers? |
| 05:32.05 | wols | !best |
| 05:32.05 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:32.12 | stsm | wols, erm, so why does it work with this other guy that also has a mips router? |
| 05:32.13 | webPhone | or should I use lts |
| 05:32.32 | wols | stsm: ask the other guy what he uses for a bootloader |
| 05:32.36 | webPhone | best for wev! |
| 05:32.39 | webPhone | web |
| 05:33.31 | stsm | wols, but i never needed a bootloader for any chroots on my desktop :s |
| 05:34.28 | Snakefactory | it went away |
| 05:34.32 | Tramp | stsm: and you think crossposting your conversation here in other channels is helping you getting help? |
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| 05:34.41 | Snakefactory | could it be that the software raid sometimes does some parity crap |
| 05:34.41 | wols | so let me get this traigt, you want to run a debian chroot on your router? for what? |
| 05:34.43 | Snakefactory | ? |
| 05:35.03 | wols | yes a chroot alone obviously doesn't need a chrrot, but: why do you want to run busybox inside a chroot whan you have bash? |
| 05:35.11 | stsm | Tramp, once line is that crossposting? |
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| 05:35.33 | Tramp | stsm: yes |
| 05:36.25 | stsm | Tramp, i didnt crosspost my conversation, i pasted one line, and i even removed wols's name |
| 05:36.31 | simonrvn | oooh |
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| 05:36.52 | stsm | Tramp, it was this line: "<someonein#debian> I don't get your debian problem..." |
| 05:37.00 | stsm | and it was in #linux |
| 05:37.04 | Tramp | your intent, in the context of the conversation, simply was to make a point about #debian not being helpful. |
| 05:37.06 | stsm | just so everyone in here knows what you talk about |
| 05:37.13 | stsm | Tramp, correct |
| 05:37.20 | stsm | Tramp, i was shocked by this reply |
| 05:37.51 | Tramp | so again, I doubt that it will increase your chances of getting help. But ofc I may be wrong. |
| 05:37.58 | stsm | wols, well baqsh didnt seem to work, so someone suggested using busybox instead since i had a static binary of that |
| 05:38.03 | wols | stsm: have a nice day |
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| 05:38.09 | stsm | wols, whatever |
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| 05:38.57 | stsm | its not liek you've been very helpfull to me |
| 05:39.25 | wols | !volunteer |
| 05:39.25 | dpkg | from memory, volunteer is Please report to furrywolf's laboratory for conductivity testing immediately. |
| 05:39.37 | wols | dpkg: your db stinks |
| 05:39.37 | dpkg | wols: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:40.22 | webPhone | lawl |
| 05:40.39 | stsm | lol volunteers that are not helpfull... nice |
| 05:40.49 | stsm | "whats your debian problem" lol |
| 05:40.51 | stsm | nice volunteering |
| 05:41.02 | stsm | i';m gonna leave now before i get too frustrated |
| 05:41.05 | wols | !volunteers |
| 05:41.05 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 05:43.19 | webPhone | wols make me a sammich! |
| 05:43.30 | webPhone | now! |
| 05:43.32 | wols | !lart webPhone |
| 05:43.32 | dpkg | nabs the moon and broadsides webPhone with the sea of tranquility |
| 05:44.07 | simonrvn | instead of saying something, i'm going to do something instead |
| 05:44.36 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 05:47.30 | maveric | Can anyone please let me know how to limit the number of TCP connection coming to the server? |
| 05:47.32 | qiyong | how do I remove a user from a group? |
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| 05:48.14 | aburch | qiyong: deluser <user> <group> |
| 05:49.12 | qiyong | aburch, i only want to remove the user from a group |
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| 05:49.50 | wols | macrobat: via iptables. google for "iptables limit tcp connections" for example |
| 05:50.06 | macrobat | ty :) |
| 05:50.29 | wols | macrobat: no problem :) |
| 05:50.38 | wols | maveric: via iptables. google for "iptables limit tcp connections" for example |
| 05:51.05 | qiyong | abchirk, i see, thanks |
| 05:51.37 | abchirk | welcome |
| 05:51.42 | maveric | ok wols. |
| 05:53.50 | maveric | qiyong: usermod -G groupa username |
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| 05:54.57 | aburch | qiyong: It does that. man deluser. |
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| 06:05.01 | Sazpaimon__ | why does debian need to build a kernel to get headers |
| 06:05.25 | nvz | Sazpaimon__: it doesn't |
| 06:05.44 | Sazpaimon__ | well, I'm runnin g make-kpkg kernel_headers and it sure seems to be building the kernel |
| 06:05.48 | nvz | Sazpaimon__: why do you need to make assumptions to get answers, when most people just ask normal questions? |
| 06:06.24 | nvz | Sazpaimon__: did you build your own kernel? |
| 06:06.45 | wols | is it building ALL kernel .o files? is it making a kernel binary? |
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| 06:07.15 | Sazpaimon__ | this kernel comes with this recovery console my dedi company gives me. For some reason it comes with 2.6.33 |
| 06:07.29 | wols | kernel headers are a strange beast, unlike many other header files, the headers get changed when you compile the binary... |
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| 06:07.49 | wols | otherwise you wouldn't need kernel header packages, you could just use a generic header package |
| 06:08.06 | Sazpaimon__ | I just want to make a kernel headers package so I can install vmware on this thing |
| 06:08.21 | gnudoll | *thinks* she may have X under control |
| 06:08.24 | nvz | Sazpaimon__: then you likely need to compile another kernel, ask them for the headers, or just use the source for 2.6.33 as headers |
| 06:08.31 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble connecting to any news server, wondering how to troubleshoot the problem. Is there a CLI telnet equivalent that would let me try to say "hello" to a port on a server? |
| 06:08.50 | Sazpaimon__ | nvz, isnt that what make-kpkg is doing? |
| 06:08.54 | aburch | Vasistha: telnet? Or nc. |
| 06:08.55 | wols | Vasistha: yes, there is telnet... |
| 06:09.35 | wols | phones the FreeX-society to alert them of gnudoll's atrocities |
| 06:09.41 | Sazpaimon__ | I need to figure out why grub is failing on the main OS on the system and i figure the only way I can figure this out is to boot the physical device in VMWare or some other virtualization software |
| 06:09.46 | Sazpaimon__ | its crazy, but it just might work |
| 06:10.09 | wols | Sazpaimon__: fallacious thinking |
| 06:10.13 | Vasistha | installs inetutils-telnet ... duh |
| 06:10.35 | Sazpaimon__ | wols, what would you reccomend? They aren't going to give me any KVM acess |
| 06:10.40 | xsappyx | Vasistha: man netcat (nc) |
| 06:11.02 | Sazpaimon__ | or if they are they'll probably charge per the hour at some outrageous rate |
| 06:11.40 | wols | Sazpaimon__: what kind of access do you have? |
| 06:11.54 | Sazpaimon__ | wols, ssh with remote reboots and reboots into a RAM OS |
| 06:12.01 | Vasistha | xsappyx: yeah, that's what I was trying to think of. |
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| 06:12.24 | wols | Sazpaimon__: grub1? |
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| 06:12.45 | Sazpaimon__ | yeah, grub 0.97 or something like that |
| 06:13.01 | Sazpaimon__ | built with ext4 support (which I just converted over to) |
| 06:13.01 | hormelc | Sazpaimon__: have you considered VirtualBox? |
| 06:13.08 | wols | did it ever work? ie what has changed |
| 06:13.16 | wols | cause debugging grub is hard this way :( |
| 06:13.25 | Sazpaimon__ | wols, yeah, but when I converted to ext4 it stopped working |
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| 06:13.51 | Sazpaimon__ | I'm running gentoo as the main OS, and their grub patched to work with ext4 and extents |
| 06:13.59 | wols | Sazpaimon__: DUH! |
| 06:14.08 | wols | grub1 doesn't know about ext4 |
| 06:14.12 | aburch | Sazpaimon__: Then why do you ask in #debian?! |
| 06:14.25 | Sazpaimon__ | aburch, I'm not asking for help about this here |
| 06:14.28 | wols | puts the asshole on ignore |
| 06:14.35 | j_laux | lol |
| 06:14.40 | j_laux | who's trolling? |
| 06:14.43 | j_laux | I wanna read and laugh |
| 06:14.49 | j_laux | loves a good troll |
| 06:14.53 | wols | j_laux: do you have a debian related question? |
| 06:15.11 | j_laux | no I actually don't, I run debian, love it, and have for a long time |
| 06:15.14 | j_laux | but I have no questions |
| 06:15.16 | Sazpaimon__ | my rescue OS is debian, I was asking about why make-kpkg kernel_headers is building the kernel, which IS debian related |
| 06:15.17 | j_laux | do you have one for me? |
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| 06:15.45 | Sazpaimon__ | wols, as far as I'm aware, gentoo's grub does |
| 06:16.00 | Sazpaimon__ | at least, ext4 support is marked as resolved fixed in their bugzilla |
| 06:16.04 | j_laux | wols is right |
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| 06:17.12 | Sazpaimon__ | see: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250829 |
| 06:17.19 | Sazpaimon__ | but that's beside the point |
| 06:17.33 | Sazpaimon__ | hormelc, i could never get virtualbox to boot a physical drive correctly |
| 06:17.38 | Sazpaimon__ | vmware does it so much easier |
| 06:17.53 | gnudoll | I have one that is kinda sideways debian related: Is the Intel Atom processor (used in most netbooks x86 compatable? and if not is there a Debian port for it yet? |
| 06:18.11 | j_laux | yes |
| 06:18.13 | j_laux | of course there is |
| 06:18.19 | Sazpaimon__ | atom is x86 |
| 06:18.26 | Sazpaimon__ | so naturally it's compatible |
| 06:18.30 | j_laux | its x86 so no need for a port |
| 06:18.33 | gnudoll | Ahhh, good |
| 06:18.40 | j_laux | are you netbook shopping? |
| 06:18.58 | Sazpaimon__ | atom is just a low power x86 processor |
| 06:18.59 | gnudoll | kinda |
| 06:19.00 | wols | gnudoll: a atom based netbook is a typical PC/notebook |
| 06:19.02 | wols | nothing special |
| 06:19.02 | j_laux | I can attest to the Dell mini 10v being a solid little toy for the money |
| 06:19.10 | wols | !tell gnudoll about eee |
| 06:19.14 | j_laux | and OSx86 runs on it very well also :D (not that I advocate that) |
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| 06:19.37 | j_laux | I got mine with Ubuntu to my door for 300 delivered, not a bad price for a new netbook |
| 06:19.55 | Sazpaimon__ | also, is there a guide to booting a physical device using virtualbox? I might just use it if there is' |
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| 06:20.05 | j_laux | if your value shopping though and just want a laptop on the cheap, the lenovo's used store rocks too :D |
| 06:20.59 | gnudoll | I'm installing on a Thinkpad T21 that I was "gifted" with because it was "broken" |
| 06:21.17 | Vasistha | thinkpads are great for linux |
| 06:21.28 | j_laux | I am chatting on a T42P |
| 06:21.36 | j_laux | got it for 320.00 |
| 06:21.50 | nvz | I have a t41 here, but the HDD died and I never f'd with it after that |
| 06:21.52 | gnudoll | yeah, except I have been fighting with the savage video chipset and xorg |
| 06:21.55 | j_laux | couldn't be more happy with it |
| 06:21.56 | nvz | got a netbook and a desktop.. |
| 06:22.02 | Vasistha | j_laux: I'm on a t42 myself ... also bought used. Who's got t42p's? They are hard to find nowadays |
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| 06:22.23 | j_laux | Vasistha I googled t42P (wanted this exact laptop) and found it |
| 06:22.32 | j_laux | its fantastic, 128mb firegl T2, 1600x1200 display |
| 06:22.36 | Vasistha | j_laux: the 1600x1200 is nice eh? my brother has one |
| 06:22.37 | j_laux | perfect for running linux |
| 06:22.48 | j_laux | yeah the display is awesome, cant beat it for the money |
| 06:23.06 | j_laux | its not that powerful a cpu, pentium-m, but still plenty fast for every one of my daily tasks |
| 06:23.12 | j_laux | and the quality is awesome |
| 06:23.23 | Vasistha | for some reason I decided I wanted the smaller one. It is kind of advantageous, it is noticably smaller and lighter and thinner. but I'm envious of his display. |
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| 06:23.44 | daltio111 | guys which is the best ever firewal in debian? |
| 06:23.51 | Vasistha | daltio111: I like firehol |
| 06:23.56 | j_laux | just to compare... I have sitting next to me the laptop this replaced... its a Powerbook 1.4ghz/ 1.5gb ram/ 17" display/OSX Leopard |
| 06:24.01 | j_laux | total complete crap compared to this |
| 06:24.03 | gnudoll | you guys do realise that I'm sitting here looking at 1024x768, driven by a P/// with 256Mb RAM, right? |
| 06:24.07 | daltio111 | is it with GUI? |
| 06:24.14 | j_laux | slow, dog slow, overheated like crazy, dented, just junk |
| 06:24.16 | Vasistha | gnudoll: I've been there. it's rough. |
| 06:24.35 | Vasistha | gnudoll: until about 2.5 years ago I was on a PII-333 with 192 MB |
| 06:24.40 | j_laux | its broken now but still runs, anyone in florida want a free 17" powerbook ? |
| 06:24.43 | gnudoll | but for free, I really can't complain too much |
| 06:24.47 | aburch | daltio111: Cutting the network cable is the most secure firewall. |
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| 06:25.22 | Vasistha | daltio111: no, firehol is cli, but it is the easiest one there is. If you want a gui, I used to use guarddog. But ... firehol is better. |
| 06:25.30 | Hatter[2] | and putting a tin foil hat around your pc |
| 06:25.32 | gnudoll | j_laux: I'll take it. . . |
| 06:26.07 | gnudoll | but I'm in California |
| 06:26.14 | j_laux | heh I'm moving out there soon! |
| 06:26.17 | j_laux | bay area sf |
| 06:26.36 | gnudoll | which is where I live. . . |
| 06:26.43 | j_laux | ah cool |
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| 06:26.49 | gnudoll | how soon? |
| 06:26.49 | j_laux | lovely place |
| 06:26.53 | Vasistha | wishes there were a more active linux community in los angeles |
| 06:27.01 | j_laux | I'm moving out in about a month and a half |
| 06:27.10 | gnudoll | what town? |
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| 06:27.39 | j_laux | I haven't found a place yet, I plan on just jumping into a roomshare until I do |
| 06:28.00 | gnudoll | where are you looking? |
| 06:28.03 | j_laux | I'm still working out details with a company I am going to work for |
| 06:28.13 | wols | !ot |
| 06:28.13 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 06:28.52 | j_laux | san francisco gnudoll |
| 06:29.03 | j_laux | and lets take wols advice, it upsets him when theres offtopic going on |
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| 06:29.58 | gnudoll | nod |
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| 06:34.28 | DogBoy | wols, just wondering, have you ever had anybody respond positively when shown that smart questions factoid |
| 06:35.06 | wols | DogBoy: actually yes. but it is rare |
| 06:35.14 | Vasistha | sure. not everyone, but occasionally |
| 06:35.35 | DogBoy | mostly not |
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| 06:35.55 | DogBoy | it's a great resource but not such a great name |
| 06:36.05 | DogBoy | I read it myself every few years |
| 06:36.12 | wols | agreed |
| 06:36.33 | wols | i'm not fully convinced it'S a great ressource either, but for the topic, it'S the best I know |
| 06:36.34 | DogBoy | but seeing a link titled "smart questions" is tantamount to saying the guy is a dumb ass |
| 06:36.46 | DogBoy | which of course he was |
| 06:36.57 | DogBoy | but it's not really very helpful |
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| 06:37.19 | DogBoy | of course I've shown it to any number of people myself |
| 06:37.40 | wols | it is helpful, just that many people think it's insulting as well |
| 06:37.44 | wols | even when the title IS right |
| 06:37.56 | DogBoy | well that's my point |
| 06:38.16 | DogBoy | if many people find it insulting perhaps it _is_ |
| 06:39.46 | DogBoy | I would say the vast majority of people that receive that link as advice are insulted by it |
| 06:39.46 | wols | is /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 06:39.49 | wols | doh |
| 06:40.04 | wols | DogBoy: again, what would you suggest? |
| 06:40.55 | DogBoy | http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 06:41.27 | DogBoy | it flies in the face of those guidelines imo |
| 06:41.36 | DogBoy | but as I said, I have done the same |
| 06:41.43 | wols | useless for us. good for how to general behave but not for how to ask help with techn problems |
| 06:41.57 | DogBoy | I don't agree |
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| 06:42.49 | DogBoy | those guidelines are not about how to ask for help |
| 06:43.06 | DogBoy | anyway, gonna watch some video |
| 06:43.11 | Riviera | http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
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| 06:43.25 | wols | Riviera: yes. those are much much better |
| 06:43.40 | wols | DogBoy: if you want to tell me something, DO it. don't beat around the bush |
| 06:43.56 | DogBoy | not beating around the bush at all |
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| 06:44.37 | DogBoy | while I think that smart questions faq is a great resource I don't think it's helpful in the least to lay it on somebody looking for help |
| 06:44.48 | DogBoy | we all agree the almost always take it the wrong way |
| 06:44.58 | DogBoy | what's beating around the bush about that? |
| 06:45.51 | DogBoy | how it flies in the face of those freenode guidelines is it tends to raise the "temperature" of the interaction |
| 06:45.55 | DogBoy | rather than lower it |
| 06:46.16 | wols | see the link from riviera |
| 06:46.18 | nvz | beating around the bush makes me think of only two things.. one has to do with male and female sex organds, and the other involves hurting the former president |
| 06:46.37 | wols | nvz: german colloquialism probably |
| 06:47.09 | wols | just looked it up. no it isn't. nvz just has no grasp of the english language |
| 06:47.38 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 06:52.03 | rww | Hey all. When I try to shutdown from GNOME, it just restarts GDM. "sudo shutdown -h now" gives the error "shutdown: cannot execute /sbin/init". "sudo init 0" gives the error "/sbin/init: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected". "file /sbin/init" says it's of type "data", which doesn't seem right. Any idea of what's going on? |
| 06:52.08 | nvz | I'm a yinzer, what the hell do I know about the english language? |
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| 06:57.42 | nvz | rww: /sbin/init: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped \n 828aece5918a0261828810565c18884a /sbin/init |
| 06:57.56 | nvz | thats the file and md5sum output for lenny i386 |
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| 06:58.08 | rww | oh, yeah. I'm on squeeze i386. |
| 06:58.10 | nvz | rww: sounds to me like you've had corruption or something |
| 06:58.21 | rww | nvz: that's what I'd guess too. I'm just not sure how... |
| 06:58.44 | nvz | rww: well if you're on squeeze you should have already checked the BTS |
| 06:58.45 | rww | and I don't want to restart into a livecd to fsck it because init not working seems like something that might impact rebooting |
| 06:59.08 | nvz | rww: it won't effect booting a livecd.. heh |
| 06:59.19 | rww | nvz: I mean rebooting into the system when I'm done fscking. |
| 06:59.45 | nvz | rww: and if I were you I'd reinstall the package that contains that file regardless, after doing a remount,ro and an fsck |
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| 07:01.10 | rww | I checked the BTS for sysvinit, which is what "dpkg -S /sbin/init" replied with. Didn't see anything relevant. |
| 07:01.42 | nvz | might also want to install debsums |
| 07:01.51 | nvz | cause who knows what else could be effected |
| 07:02.31 | rww | good idea, I'll do that. |
| 07:02.38 | nvz | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 07:02.43 | nvz | and fsck it would be a start |
| 07:03.07 | nvz | then again that might be hard to do if you can't init down to runlevel 1 |
| 07:03.17 | nvz | so maybe you need to reinstall that package first |
| 07:03.30 | wols | nah, as long as you can remount / to ro it will be fine |
| 07:03.51 | nvz | yeah but right now with gnome and gdm running my system won't let me remount ro |
| 07:04.05 | nvz | usually easiest way to solve that is to go down to single user |
| 07:04.12 | rww | alright, the rest of /sbin's "file" output is sane, and debsums sysvinit shows that init is the only failed checksum. |
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| 07:04.16 | rww | and everything else is working fine o.O |
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| 07:05.13 | nvz | well I would say you been hacked, but since its not really that important of a file, and its not been replaced with an actual binary its more likely corruption |
| 07:05.41 | rww | yeah, I'm thinking stray cosmic rays right now :\ |
| 07:05.41 | nvz | then again init is fairly important, but wouldnt be my first choice to swap out |
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| 07:06.20 | nvz | ps, login, passwd..etc |
| 07:06.26 | nvz | would be higher on the list |
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| 07:12.14 | rww | alright, debsums complained about init and /usr/lib/bluetooth/plugins/netlink.so and everything else checks out, so... yeah. I'm gonna keep an eye out and do more investigating if it happens again... |
| 07:13.04 | wols | rww: did a fsck and a smartmontools long test? |
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| 07:19.30 | rww | wols: just did a fsck now (after reinstalling sysvinit and bluez), and it didn't come up with anything. I'll go do smartmontools |
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| 07:37.21 | randy2 | hi, i've got a pppd question: how can i make pppd not quit but continue trying to setup the connection: http://pastebin.com/tNaqUDep |
| 07:37.38 | zerq | trying to get firefox 3.6 running on lenny AMD64, I have all the ia32 libraries installed and it will open but can't connect to anything.. ldd says it is missing libxul.so, libmozjs.so, libxpcom.com, how can I find out where those are from? google is just giving me all kinds of unrelated stuff |
| 07:38.25 | zerq | seems like xulrunner is supposed to provide them but I'm guessing I need some other ia32 package? |
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| 07:42.07 | gnudoll | Well, it seems that I have xorg stable enough to reinstall when I get the larger HDD installed in this box |
| 07:42.22 | gnudoll | thank you all for your help. |
| 07:43.03 | randy2 | zerq: i may not be able to answer your question but did you already say which form this firefox 3.6 you are trying to install has? apparently it is some 32 bit build? is it packaged, and if so for which debian release or other distro? |
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| 07:44.02 | zerq | it's the official binary release for linux from mozilla.org |
| 07:44.09 | zerq | 32-bit |
| 07:44.39 | wols | randy2: you make a cronscript that checks for a running ppp, and if it doesn't, restarts it |
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| 07:45.12 | wols | zerq: packages.debian.org tells you where to get missing libraries if there are any |
| 07:45.22 | wols | tho libxul should be part of ffox itself afaik |
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| 07:47.39 | yo_rmn | I'm having some problems with Compiz. All components seem to be diferent versions therefor some plugins won't work I installed from Squeeze repos |
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| 07:48.08 | yo_rmn | squeeze AMD64 my system |
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| 07:48.50 | randy2 | wols: thanks for your response. i can do this, but i'd prefer to have pppd not exit (due to timeout) in the first place. I assume there'll be some option to set the timeout which I could set to -1 to deactivate this timeout entirely. any idea whether i can do it this way? |
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| 07:51.47 | randy2 | wols: also, if I can't achieve it by changing pppd options, and thus have to resort to doing it externally in the way you suggest, I would still be surprised if no such script already existed since it seems like a common use case (many people want their pppoe dsl lines remain connected as much as possible, even if the ISP side fails to respond for a while). |
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| 07:52.54 | wols | I never fund that switch... and I had pppd exit for various reasons, not just PAD0 errors |
| 07:53.01 | oobe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.04 | oobe | woops |
| 07:54.07 | Zbyshek | anyone here experienced with TPM devices? |
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| 07:55.12 | wols | !anyone |
| 07:55.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 07:55.45 | Zbyshek | ANYONE! :-D |
| 07:56.15 | Zbyshek | Need to know if I can use it on the PC without the hardware module |
| 07:56.30 | Zbyshek | and if not how can i simulate that |
| 07:57.37 | wols | the point of a TPM is that it can't be simulated |
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| 07:59.38 | Zbyshek | nah, great |
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| 08:18.00 | randy2 | thanks wols |
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| 08:23.45 | micols | has anybody in here used sixxs tunnel? there seems to be no sixxs channel on freenode |
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| 08:24.26 | wols | shouldn't you ask #freenode for that? |
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| 08:25.24 | rww | micols: their channel appears to be #sixxs.net on IRCNet, per http://www.sixxs.net/contact/ |
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| 08:30.14 | micols | i just get access denied to all |
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| 08:31.35 | rww | micols: http://webchat.xs4all.nl/ |
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| 08:46.53 | freakynl | hi, |
| 08:48.06 | freakynl | having some issues with ietd.conf. In there I have ScsiID=<string>, it has been in there for a long time due to vmware otherwise trying to multipath to other sans. anyways since an upgrade of ietd it doesn't export volumes if it has ScsiID= in the definition (it spits out unknown param). man ietd.conf however still claims ScsiID is a valid parameter. any ideas? |
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| 08:50.05 | babilen | freakynl: Try their ML: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/iscsitarget-devel |
| 08:50.31 | tarzeau | i've got a new game, any testers (you need 3d graphics drivers) |
| 08:51.05 | nkuttler | tarzeau: games! yay! |
| 08:51.18 | tarzeau | nkuttler: you know http://lplusplus.co.cc/ already right? |
| 08:51.33 | tarzeau | nkuttler: can you try sea defender? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/sea/ |
| 08:51.41 | wols | games people play |
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| 08:53.19 | tarzeau | nkuttler: screenshot: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=54272 |
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| 08:54.40 | nkuttler | uuh, that looks ugly. just built for amd64. lemme try. |
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| 08:56.10 | tarzeau | nkuttler: shoot with left + right mouse button |
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| 08:56.37 | nkuttler | hm, are you sure the build process works? i have no binary in the package |
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| 08:56.48 | tarzeau | nkuttler: yes i am. it's in /usr/games/sea |
| 08:56.54 | azeem_ | maybe it's a webapp, so it just has an url |
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| 09:16.56 | leg- | I try to kill a process with kill pid, kill -9 pid and killall -9 pid but none of those actually kills the process |
| 09:17.14 | leg- | (vim which is stalling) |
| 09:18.27 | lindi- | leg-: ps -eo pid,wchan | grep pid? |
| 09:18.52 | lindi- | leg-: i mean ps -eo pid,wchan | grep <the real pid>? |
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| 09:19.20 | leg- | what should be the real pid? |
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| 09:19.59 | leg- | ERROR: Unknown user-defined format specifier "10629" |
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| 09:22.42 | simonrvn | uh, don't substitute the first 'pid' with the number |
| 09:23.13 | cahoot | use pkill? |
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| 09:24.20 | leg- | cahoot: I did but the process wont terminate |
| 09:24.24 | leg- | its driving me crazy |
| 09:24.45 | freakynl | leg-: use the windows solution then :P (reboot) |
| 09:25.03 | leg- | hmmm, yah |
| 09:25.56 | simonrvn | what's its status? |
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| 09:36.29 | joeytwiddle | i downloaded some TrueType fonts and did "fc-cache -fv". now they are showing up in Konqueror, but not in "xfontsel -scaled" which is where i really want them |
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| 09:37.42 | Mowee | Hi o/ |
| 09:38.01 | dlafata | hi there |
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| 09:54.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | is anything in /var/lib/dpkg architecture dependent? iir its all text, and arch-indep, but confirmation would be good |
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| 09:59.13 | yobro | hello |
| 09:59.20 | yobro | whois /akez |
| 09:59.22 | yobro | whois |
| 10:02.39 | linhis | !topic |
| 10:03.01 | Uunreal | I'm trying to stop my PulseAudio daemon so that I can get into it's console and change some things. But it keeps saying that I can't get into it because the daemon is already running. Even after I kill it and tried the /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop command as both limited user and su. |
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| 10:06.12 | yo_rmn | Hello. ho do I set nautilus to hav toolbar with icns and open in same windos? |
| 10:07.24 | Uunreal | you mean show thumbnails of files? |
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| 10:14.53 | stockholm | what fiberchannel hardware is well supported in debian? multi-support would be nice |
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| 10:19.57 | jelly | stockholm: this almost excusively depends on the kernel. that said, qlogic cards seem to work, and I'm told emulex works as well |
| 10:20.49 | stockholm | jelly: i would like to hear "this one works great for me" |
| 10:21.52 | jelly | stockholm: if you want for FC to work great, you match the hardware, driver _and_ OS that's in the support matrix for your storage, and then you pay for the support level you want. |
| 10:22.22 | jelly | stockholm: that OS often isn't Debian but a commercial "enterprise" distro |
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| 10:22.47 | pirx | hi! when i use 'dpkg --get-selections', what does it mean when it says "deinstall" next to a package? the package _is_ installed, and running (mysql) |
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| 10:24.18 | jelly | stockholm: multipath support is mostly a matter of correct configuration for dm-multipath, but some vendors prefer (or mandate!) their own multipath/failover drivers |
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| 10:26.57 | jelly | stockholm: therefore, at work we put RHEL on the machines connected to FC SAN. There are a couple of less important machines where we run Debian and haven't seen problems with qla23xx and qla24xx based cards. |
| 10:28.02 | vdelau | Hi all, I'm having trouble with NFS. My volumes are not mounted at boot time, but a manual mount -a -t nfs works just fine. Am I missing something? |
| 10:29.19 | stockholm | jelly: thanks! |
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| 10:31.24 | Kwpolska | Hi. is there any option of creating debian's dvd with own selected apps? |
| 10:31.35 | Kwpolska | eg. with sid instead of squeeze? |
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| 10:32.55 | intx | anyone know how to set module parameters? (kernel modules) |
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| 10:35.25 | ThePalacz | Hi |
| 10:35.35 | ThePalacz | Jak ustawic chroot dla userwa proftpd ? |
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| 10:36.07 | ThePalacz | usera* |
| 10:36.29 | Kwpolska | ThePalacz: english only |
| 10:38.19 | adb | !pl |
| 10:38.19 | dpkg | pl is probably polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 10:39.43 | yang | I am wondering how to enable ACPI (FAN sensing) for lm-sensors on one PC it works, on the other one it doesn't |
| 10:40.00 | ThePalacz | How to set the chroot for user proftpd |
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| 11:01.11 | km0ti0n | What package contanis dig? |
| 11:01.40 | Shadur | dnsutils |
| 11:02.10 | km0ti0n | Sweet, thanks Shadur |
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| 11:02.17 | Moorea | hello guysn it has only been days since I installed my nix and I think I ve alrady been hacked !! Im still in the setup process and could not yet reach the graphic mode , was still playing with the console , my root pass does not work anymore, is there a way that I can figure out what happened ? |
| 11:02.19 | stockholm | km0ti0n: there is apt-file |
| 11:02.46 | stockholm | why do you thin you have been hacked? |
| 11:03.29 | Moorea | coz my root does not work anymore !! |
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| 11:03.57 | Moorea | root pass |
| 11:04.20 | Moorea | All I did was to change my keyboard to azerty and then.. |
| 11:04.38 | blami | ThePalacz: DefaultRoot ~/ftp |
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| 11:05.27 | cristi8 | is setting umask 077 for root a bad idea? |
| 11:05.54 | babilen | Moorea: Probably a keymap issue - it's not that hard to reset your root pwd |
| 11:05.58 | babilen | !forgot root password |
| 11:05.59 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 11:06.04 | babilen | Moorea: ^^^^^ |
| 11:06.27 | cristi8 | i installed a program from source (into /usr/local/, by default), and all the installed folders have permissions drwx--S--- |
| 11:07.27 | mrjive | hi *. anyone having troubles with unstable and ati/radeon drivers? |
| 11:07.42 | babilen | mrjive: no |
| 11:07.48 | themill | mrjive: fglrx on i386? |
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| 11:08.08 | mrjive | themill nope, free drivers/i386 |
| 11:08.32 | themill | mrjive: ahh... not sure what state they're in. (fglrx on i386 is utterly broken atm) |
| 11:08.33 | mrjive | since a couple of days i'm only able to use vesa |
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| 11:08.54 | babilen | mrjive: Do *you* have problem? Which driver are you using? Paste your Xorg.0.log and give a description of the errors you are facing. |
| 11:09.10 | babilen | mrjive: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:09.12 | blami | mrjive: don't paste it here :) |
| 11:09.21 | babilen | blami: hehe |
| 11:09.30 | babilen | !tell mrjive -about pastebin |
| 11:09.38 | mrjive | babilen yes I have :) (not pasting here for sure) |
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| 11:09.47 | mrjive | i know about pastebin etc.. |
| 11:09.52 | babilen | great |
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| 11:09.54 | Moorea | mm feeling like a psycho ! |
| 11:10.07 | babilen | Moorea: It's OK - it's the others! |
| 11:10.10 | mrjive | debian unstable with a touch of experimental |
| 11:10.20 | babilen | uh |
| 11:10.36 | Psi-Jack | mrjive: Ummm.. So basically unstable. |
| 11:10.38 | Psi-Jack | heh |
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| 11:11.22 | Moorea | !forgot root password |
| 11:11.22 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 11:11.35 | mrjive | Psi-Jack yep ;) |
| 11:11.50 | mrjive | http://paste.debian.net/65394/ |
| 11:12.06 | babilen | !tell Moorea -about msg the bot |
| 11:12.16 | mrjive | a little step forward... now segmentation fault isn't there anymore |
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| 11:16.36 | babilen | mrjive: You might want to consider running a stable Xorg version (i.e. the one that worked before) |
| 11:16.59 | babilen | mrjive: This pre-release one is obviously causing problems |
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| 11:17.15 | mrjive | ok thanks |
| 11:17.58 | babilen | mrjive: If you haven't deleted it manually you should find old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:18.25 | babilen | mrjive: Otherwise: "/msg dpkg snapshot" |
| 11:18.33 | km0ti0n | stockholm: sorry I miseed that last message you sent, I've just installed apt-file. |
| 11:18.35 | mrjive | babilen thanks, I clean packages after installing them |
| 11:18.39 | mrjive | but, i'm going to downgrade |
| 11:18.58 | km0ti0n | But running apt-file update, it fails to fine : http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 11:19.07 | babilen | mrjive: Cleaning packages is not always the best idea ;) |
| 11:19.20 | mrjive | babilen :) |
| 11:19.25 | babilen | mrjive: You should be able to find them in the snapshots |
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| 11:19.45 | babilen | mrjive: Is you xserver from unstable or experimental? |
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| 11:20.06 | mrjive | babilen ok thanks for the snapshot hint. xorg is from unstable |
| 11:20.08 | km0ti0n | I see there's a -s option to set a different source.list file location, do I need to change my sources.list? |
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| 11:20.19 | mrjive | babilen 7.5+5 |
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| 11:20.53 | Moorea | hi again |
| 11:21.07 | mrjive | babilen testing brings 7.5+3 mybe should try it first |
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| 11:21.41 | Moorea | some1 in this room pointed out that it might be the nix who didt get they azerty switch and that s the reason my pass does not work ? |
| 11:22.04 | Moorea | so ? |
| 11:22.08 | mrjive | thanks, i'll go ant try to see if it works |
| 11:22.40 | Moorea | Guys ! |
| 11:22.51 | vdelau | is running in circles trying to figure out this NFS issue... |
| 11:23.23 | lucid | does there happen to be a relatively easy way to segment an existing partition? I'm trying to install debian on my laptop but I would prefer to preserve my windows installation and only have one hdd in the laptop |
| 11:23.27 | Moorea | ok Anyway, it was not hacked the log was still in querty ! |
| 11:24.34 | vdelau | Anybody has a clue why my nfs mounts aren't mounted a boottime, but will mount when running /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start manually? |
| 11:25.14 | jelly | vdelau: clues may appear in /var/log/boot |
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| 11:25.39 | jelly | !bootlogd |
| 11:25.40 | dpkg | from memory, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 11:26.33 | vdelau | rebooting... |
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| 11:29.06 | vdelau | Ah this is a clue: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '****' failed: System Error: No route to host |
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| 11:33.36 | badcloud | there's a cli program to constantly print file read/write/access to stdout. anyone know it? |
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| 11:33.57 | badcloud | I can't for the life of me remember |
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| 11:34.43 | badcloud | might start with an 'a' |
| 11:34.44 | Lantizia | Anyone know of a good debian howto for master/slave bind setups? |
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| 11:39.28 | jelly | vdelau: often the interface might not have been completely up at the time, I've seen this with broadcom chips (tg3, bnx2 drivers). Try adding something like " post-up sleep 10" in the /etc/network/interfaces stanza for that iface |
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| 11:40.29 | vdelau | jelly: That sounds like a plan. This is actually a Xen VPS DomU. |
| 11:40.29 | bz_ | whats up? |
| 11:40.43 | vdelau | bz_: not my routing... |
| 11:40.47 | jelly | bz_: 4 non blondes |
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| 11:41.33 | bz_ | who loves Debina? |
| 11:41.38 | bz_ | Debian lol |
| 11:42.05 | Shadur | Who doesn't? |
| 11:42.24 | bz_ | no doubt Shadur |
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| 11:43.10 | babilen | bz_: Even dpkg does (/msg dpkg love debian) - but do you have a real question we could help you with? |
| 11:43.30 | jelly | bz_: join #debian-offtopic for chat if there's anyone alive at this moment there, this channel is for tech support |
| 11:43.41 | bz_ | a question; no, I dont ever have many issues with my various installs:) |
| 11:43.58 | bz_ | I broke dpkg the other day but fixed it |
| 11:44.35 | bz_ | I mostly make debian live remasters |
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| 11:46.50 | bz_ | I guess if I had a question it would be "Best way to do kernel compile in Debian? |
| 11:47.10 | bz_ | I use alot of distros but never did kernel compile in Debian |
| 11:47.56 | babilen | !tell bz_ -about make-kpkg |
| 11:48.00 | babilen | !tell bz_ -about compile kernel |
| 11:48.05 | babilen | bz_: have fun |
| 11:48.09 | bz_ | I'm a slacker |
| 11:48.22 | bz_ | Slackware/Debian/Source Mage |
| 11:48.28 | bz_ | Arch |
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| 11:49.10 | bz_ | More familiar with Slack and what not |
| 11:49.18 | bz_ | Not used to dpkg,etc |
| 11:49.33 | babilen | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 11:50.32 | bz_ | I make distros too; live stuff http://linux.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-AegisX-31789.html |
| 11:50.42 | pngwn | I think it talks but doesn't read :) |
| 11:50.45 | bz_ | most are debian |
| 11:53.55 | bz_ | thx babilen |
| 11:55.25 | vdelau | jelly: sleeping doens't seem to help :( |
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| 12:22.56 | developer | any pne in here who works with pentaho? |
| 12:23.02 | developer | pne=one |
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| 12:30.20 | wols | developer: ask your real question |
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| 12:31.57 | icebrain | t |
| 12:31.59 | cristi8 | what do i need to install to view java applets in iceweasel? i am using lenny |
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| 12:33.03 | innociv | How do i change the /home/folder-name for a user, while retaining the username? |
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| 12:33.17 | cristi8 | man usermod |
| 12:33.26 | innociv | ty |
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| 12:34.00 | wols | !tell Chris7mas about install java |
| 12:34.12 | cristi8 | !tell cristi8 about install java |
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| 12:35.00 | wols | sorry |
| 12:35.05 | cristi8 | thanks :) |
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| 12:35.52 | innociv | so usermod -m -d /home/folder-name user? |
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| 12:38.02 | innociv | oh -dm |
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| 12:39.04 | vdelau | anybody know a trick to wait for a network connection to become available? I've been trying ping -c 1 -w 30 but that will also continue after error messages are recieved |
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| 12:39.21 | vdelau | error message being: No route to host |
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| 12:40.38 | anebi | hi |
| 12:40.57 | icebrain | hi, anebi |
| 12:41.08 | anebi | i need to install on an debian 4.0 subversion 1.6. can you tell me if this package is available for this version of debian? |
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| 12:41.46 | innociv | doesn't seem to work.. keeps spitting back "Usage: usermod [options] LOGIN" when I "usermod -dm /path/to/dir username" |
| 12:41.51 | icebrain | judd: versions subversion |
| 12:41.51 | judd | subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2; etch-security: 1.4.2dfsg1-3; etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-4; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-4; lenny-backports: 1.6.4dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.6.9dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.6.9dfsg-1 |
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| 12:42.14 | innociv | judd versions mysql |
| 12:42.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql' was found. |
| 12:42.19 | wols | anebi: you need to upgrade anyways. etch isn't supported anymore for quite some time now |
| 12:42.23 | innociv | judd versions mysql-server |
| 12:42.25 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3; sid: 5.1.43-1; lenny-backports: 5.1.44-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.44-3; squeeze: 5.1.44-3; sid: 5.1.45-1 |
| 12:42.32 | wols | innociv: /msg judd versions <package> |
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| 12:43.41 | anebi | wols: it is not my server.i do not administrate it, the access has given to me only to install this package, because we need to svn checkout an application there |
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| 12:44.16 | anebi | icebrain: does it mean that subversion 1.6 is not available for etch ? |
| 12:44.33 | icebrain | anebi: I afraid so, not even in backports |
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| 12:45.03 | anebi | icebrain: thanks |
| 12:45.53 | innociv | How can I figure out why usermod isnt' working? |
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| 12:48.01 | innociv | oh it's usermod-d /dir/ -m user |
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| 12:51.33 | linduxed | hey guys, i'd like to backport weechat, is there a guide for that? |
| 12:51.50 | linduxed | i think dpkg had a category for it |
| 12:52.01 | linduxed | from sid to lenny |
| 12:52.18 | wols | linduxed: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:03.13 | innociv | how do I check the version of a package before installing? |
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| 13:03.43 | jelly | innociv: apt-cache policy packagename, Candidate: |
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| 13:04.39 | innociv | how can I install just one package from test/squeeze, and check version? |
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| 13:04.52 | innociv | check version before install rather, of the test |
| 13:04.54 | serard | hello |
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| 13:05.21 | serard | I have to install a pop server, but I don't know how to do this (do I need smtp server too, etc). Someone can help me ? :) |
| 13:06.06 | jelly | innociv: you don't. use backports.org instead, or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:06.16 | wols | serard: you already have a smtp server |
| 13:06.16 | babilen | innociv: You can check the version on packages.debian.org, by using rmadison (devscripts) or "/msg judd versions <pkg>" |
| 13:06.29 | jelly | innociv: which package? |
| 13:06.30 | serard | wols what do you mean ? |
| 13:06.31 | babilen | innociv: And you don't want to mix releases |
| 13:06.41 | innociv | bleh |
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| 13:06.44 | wols | serard: debian installs exim by default. a full MTA |
| 13:06.53 | jelly | judd: versions bleh |
| 13:06.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'bleh' was found. |
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| 13:07.02 | serard | wols ok thank you, so what about pop ? |
| 13:07.20 | Titan8990 | wols: but it does install the "light" daemon |
| 13:07.50 | wols | Titan8990: but it is fully functional, no? |
| 13:08.01 | streuner | !info popa3d |
| 13:08.03 | wols | serard: pop you need to install separately. what do you want a mailserver for? |
| 13:08.30 | Titan8990 | wols: yes, but there are ACLs that it won't accept as the light varient, including ACLs that would reject messages based on virus scan results IIRC |
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| 13:08.44 | dpkg | popa3d: (A tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the primary goal), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.0.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 13:08.45 | Titan8990 | serard: sure you don't want IMAP instead?\ |
| 13:09.32 | serard | What I need is to be able to send emails to info@mydns.com and receive them in a gmail (using account import) |
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| 13:10.05 | serard | (account import on gmail is already done; my dn was hosted somewhere else, but now I have to take care of it by myself) |
| 13:10.35 | wols | use gmail as a smarthost with exim then |
| 13:10.48 | wols | you won't need a pop3 server to receive mail on your gmail account |
| 13:10.53 | serard | how do I do that ? |
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| 13:11.03 | vdelau | jelly: thanks for the help! sleep 30 worked, but I'm not that patient. I've modified one of the script at http://serverfault.com/questions/42021/how-to-ping-in-linux-until-host-is-known to try for 30 seconds and put that in post-up. |
| 13:11.24 | wols | I don't use exim |
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| 13:11.38 | serard | :) Okay I'll search for a how-to, thank you all |
| 13:12.26 | jelly | vdelau: you could use an ugly hack like (sleep 30; mount -a) & in rc.local ;-) |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | !rc.local |
| 13:12.56 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 13:13.06 | aburch | serard: If you already have exim running, you can just use /etc/aliases to forward your mail. |
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| 13:13.39 | aburch | serard: Something like "info: bla@example.com". |
| 13:13.44 | vdelau | jelly: I considered doing that, but it would be to late, I need these mounts for Apache... |
| 13:14.46 | vdelau | I now have post-up waitfor nfs.example.com |
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| 13:16.34 | jelly | that seems reasonable |
| 13:16.41 | serard | aburch thank you ! so info needs to be a user on the system no ? what about auth ? |
| 13:16.47 | anebi | how can i open ports 8080 and 8443 permanently on etch, so they to became opened also after system or iptables restarts? |
| 13:16.50 | jelly | (and cleaner, and more correct) |
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| 13:17.30 | jelly | anebi: figure out where iptables stores the rules and add them there |
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| 13:17.44 | aburch | serard: No, there's no need for a user at all. Your MTA just needs to be able to send mail (and receive mail as well, but you need that in any case). |
| 13:18.31 | serard | aburch okay, how do I make sure my server can send mail ? another thing is that I can't telnet myserver 110 |
| 13:18.52 | aburch | serard: It will just forward mail to info@your-domain to bla@example.com. |
| 13:18.52 | Titan8990 | serard: are you running a POP daemon? |
| 13:18.57 | wols | serard: telnet server is not installed and shouldn't be. install openssh-server instead and use ssh |
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| 13:19.34 | Titan8990 | wols: telnet can be used for email troubleshooting though... telnet foobar.com 25; EHLO |
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| 13:20.02 | Titan8990 | or nc would work |
| 13:20.04 | aburch | serard: You won't net a POP server in this case. Only a MTA (SMTP server). |
| 13:20.13 | serard | okay |
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| 13:20.18 | wols | Titan8990: I'm retarded. didn't read the "port 110" part. or rather: didn't register it |
| 13:20.29 | Titan8990 | wols: happens :) |
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| 13:21.08 | serard | In my gmail config, it tells me : "server refused pop3 access for given username/password" |
| 13:21.27 | Titan8990 | serard: are you listening to anyone? |
| 13:22.27 | serard | i'm sorry I'm confused. From what I have understood, when someone send a mail to info@espacedusommeil.com, exim would forward it to the mail given in /etc/aliases, is it ? |
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| 13:23.09 | vdelau | jelly: (and others who are interested) http://pastebin.ca/1850240 waitfor script |
| 13:23.23 | aburch | serard: Yes, so gmail does not need to use POP to fetch the mail. |
| 13:23.43 | serard | also I don't have to configure an imported account, hu ? |
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| 13:23.48 | aburch | serard: Just think that your server gets the mail, and sends a new mail with the same content to Gmail. |
| 13:24.05 | serard | Okay |
| 13:25.26 | aburch | serard: You can try to send a mail to info@your-domain and take a look at exim's logfile (assuming you are using exim): /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 13:26.08 | Titan8990 | aburch: the default config should only allow him to send mail locally |
| 13:26.11 | serard | Okay, thank you aburch, I have to configure the relay |
| 13:26.28 | jelly | vdelau: yeah, I do that at home with my unreliable vpn, but I don't have a case for it at work |
| 13:26.32 | Rossonero | I am trying to connect to a server with ssh tunnel but it doesn't.. the ping showed me that the ip is alive.. openssh-server is well installed in the remote machine.. the arping command show that there is only one machine using the ip address that I am trying to connect to.. |
| 13:26.33 | Titan8990 | serard: make sure you test your server on abuse.net.... |
| 13:26.47 | Rossonero | what can I do more to solve this problems |
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| 13:27.07 | mrjive | babilen no luck with xorg |
| 13:27.09 | Titan8990 | Rossonero: "it doesn't" mean you get what error? |
| 13:27.14 | aburch | Rossonero: It doesn't what? |
| 13:27.15 | Moorea | guys I m having a lot of troube to make my hp 19inch flat screen work, tried many things , right now I would like to try "vga=ask", can someone please tell me where to find the vga setting ? |
| 13:27.16 | jelly | Rossonero: does "telnet remotemachine 22" connect? |
| 13:27.29 | Rossonero | doesnt work I mean |
| 13:27.37 | jelly | !doesn't work |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 13:27.47 | Titan8990 | Moorea: thats a kernel option for a TTY framebuffer... is that what you want? |
| 13:28.20 | Moorea | Titan I would like the machine to ask about the grahic resolution at boot |
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| 13:28.32 | Titan8990 | Moorea: for the framebuffer or for X? |
| 13:28.35 | Rossonero | jelly, OK !! I mean it show me no message error but timeout problem |
| 13:28.38 | Moorea | for X |
| 13:28.47 | Moorea | I ve already set framebuffer to No |
| 13:28.54 | jelly | Rossonero: so, you have a networking / fireweall issue |
| 13:28.54 | Titan8990 | Moorea: alright, that option is not for X. I don't know how you could get it to "ask" the resolution. |
| 13:29.28 | Titan8990 | Rossonero: nmap -sS -p22 <server> |
| 13:29.46 | Rossonero | jelly, no firewall between me and the remote machine.. we are in the same lan.. and by the way your command showed me the error " telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 13:30.03 | Bastihase | hi guys i have a problem with perl :[ |
| 13:30.04 | Bastihase | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.17 | deufrai | Rossonero: that error message tels explicitly that no service is listening to said port |
| 13:30.21 | Titan8990 | Rossonero: that means there is not a daemon listening on the port your trying to connect |
| 13:30.39 | Rossonero | Titan8990, 22/tcp open ssh |
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| 13:31.00 | Titan8990 | Bastihase: is that the eggdrop package in debian? |
| 13:31.07 | Bastihase | yes |
| 13:31.08 | aburch | Bastihase: Install the package that vintains LWP/UserAgent.pm. (Hint: apt-file can search for files, or packages.debian.org) |
| 13:31.11 | Rossonero | but the openssh service is up :s |
| 13:31.14 | Titan8990 | Rossonero: but ssh <server> gives a timeout? |
| 13:31.58 | Titan8990 | judd: versions eggdrop |
| 13:32.00 | judd | eggdrop -- etch: 1.6.18-1etch1; etch-security: 1.6.18-1etch2; lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; sid: 1.6.19-1.2; squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2 |
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| 13:32.05 | Titan8990 | Bastihase: in lenny? |
| 13:32.10 | Bastihase | yes |
| 13:32.22 | Bastihase | its an shoutcast script |
| 13:32.28 | jelly | Rossonero: pastebin the output of "netstat -tpan" and "iptables -vnL" on the ssh server. |
| 13:32.32 | Rossonero | can I trust the arping command result ?? I mean what if another machine with same ip exists ? |
| 13:32.47 | Titan8990 | oh, script not part of debian... Bastihase, what I was getting out is if the package failed to pull in needed depends |
| 13:32.54 | Bastihase | looked this |
| 13:32.55 | Bastihase | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.55 | Bastihase | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/unreal/eggdrop/shout.pl line 25. |
| 13:33.03 | Bastihase | i have forgotten 1 line |
| 13:33.10 | aburch | Bastihase: Install the package that vintains LWP/UserAgent.pm. (Hint: apt-file can search for files, or packages.debian.org) |
| 13:33.13 | jelly | Bastihase: that's a perl error, not a tcl one! :-) |
| 13:33.17 | Titan8990 | Bastihase: you need to look at the documentation for that script to find out what libs it needs... |
| 13:33.31 | Bastihase | im a perl noob |
| 13:33.33 | Bastihase | ;o |
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| 13:33.36 | Rossonero | jelly, ok I will be back cause the server is far away from here |
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| 13:34.03 | serard | I get this line : " H=mail-ew0-f219.google.com [209.85.219.219] F=<stephane.erard@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <info@espacedusommeil.com>: relay not permitted" <- is this because I didn't configured well the relay or because gmail doesnt want to relay my mails ? |
| 13:34.25 | Moorea | guys , any hint , on how to make my screen compliant , I get "Input signal out of range , change resolution to 1440*900 60HZ" !! |
| 13:34.28 | serard | (this is a line from the exim4/mainlog file) |
| 13:34.46 | wols | serard: wrong config. the config is not totally trivial |
| 13:34.52 | aburch | serard: You have to tell exim that espacedusommeil.com is your domain. |
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| 13:35.27 | Titan8990 | serard: a misconfigured email server can get yourself in some trouble |
| 13:35.35 | serard | I see that ^^ |
| 13:35.43 | Moorea | I tried to add the explicit mode on xorg.conf but no success |
| 13:36.00 | Titan8990 | serard: I am talking about your ISP dropping you and your domain getting blacklisted. Take the time to learn how the things work |
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| 13:36.40 | Titan8990 | Moorea: most of the time when people have resolution problems its due to incorrect drivers. What kind of card do you have? |
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| 13:37.08 | Bastihase | libnet-dns-perl ??? |
| 13:37.25 | Moorea | Nvidia |
| 13:37.33 | Moorea | GeForce 9600 |
| 13:37.39 | Titan8990 | Moorea: did you install the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 13:37.43 | serard | Titan8990 okay I understand |
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| 13:37.58 | Moorea | no Titan |
| 13:38.03 | Titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 13:38.04 | dpkg | i guess nvidia m-a is The short version: aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 13:38.16 | Titan8990 | Moorea: I would, unless you have something against the "non-free" |
| 13:38.38 | Moorea | Titan I have already the card, |
| 13:38.43 | Bastihase | apt-get install libdata-dumper-simple-perl perl-modules liblocale-maketext-lexicon-perl libmd5-perl libdbi-perl libdbd-pg-perl libconfig-any-perl libmime-lite-perl libhtml-linkextractor-perl libnet-tclink-perl libparse-recdescent-perl libmodule-build-perl |
| 13:38.57 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 13:39.10 | Titan8990 | Moorea: the card doesn't install its own drivers |
| 13:39.19 | Moorea | I looked at the debian site but no explicit mention of my card , many types of NVIDIA But no GS9600 |
| 13:39.48 | Titan8990 | Moorea: nvidia has basically two drivers for all of its cards... |
| 13:40.03 | Moorea | NO Titan , I said that to point ou that IF i have something against the nonfree I should not be bying anything , not even hardware of Nvidia :) |
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| 13:43.14 | daltio111 | guys i want to learn security in debian |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | Moorea: which card specifically? |
| 13:43.18 | daltio111 | what i have to follow |
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| 13:43.31 | daltio111 | i know we need to keep up and test security tings |
| 13:43.57 | daltio111 | but what measures or what i have to learn to say i am debian security expert |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | !harden |
| 13:44.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or ask me about <securing debian> <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | !tell daltio111 about securing debian |
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| 13:45.08 | ngomes | anyone with ATI 9550 and sid installed ? |
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| 13:45.28 | abrotman | probably .. ask your real question |
| 13:45.52 | ngomes | just installed |
| 13:45.59 | ngomes | and wont load fglrx module |
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| 13:46.12 | ngomes | with modprobe fglrx |
| 13:46.15 | brbrbr | quick FAQ's 1. recent proprietary drivers not support such cards. 2. older drivers not support such new distro |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | ngomes: why did you install sid ? |
| 13:46.25 | Titan8990 | ngomes: did you compile fglrx using m-a? |
| 13:46.28 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work |
| 13:46.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 13:46.51 | brbrbr | ati-radeon on updated xorg/mesa may work 4 you |
| 13:46.51 | ngomes | Titan8990, no , it just compiled the driver when i aptitute it |
| 13:47.09 | ngomes | i dont want the open source driver |
| 13:47.11 | wols | ngomes: you are lucky. radeon will work |
| 13:47.12 | abrotman | ngomes: why did you use sid? |
| 13:47.14 | brbrbr | but 9550 with proprietary - only with Lenny or Etch |
| 13:47.19 | ngomes | i with it , right now |
| 13:47.46 | brbrbr | or you may hurt distro intgrity trying to get old ati drivers work on new distro |
| 13:47.50 | ngomes | brbrbr, is is provisory ? |
| 13:47.52 | Titan8990 | abrotman: to cause us grief I am guessing |
| 13:48.15 | brbrbr | just me experience |
| 13:48.43 | brbrbr | if you talk about proprietary drivers - no |
| 13:48.45 | brbrbr | its not |
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| 13:48.53 | ngomes | abrotman, i already respond that question 1 million times . i need some bleeding edge software |
| 13:48.54 | brbrbr | cause Ati scrapped support 4 older cards |
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| 13:49.06 | brbrbr | and you can't get working old drivers on new distro |
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| 13:49.25 | ngomes | only crap |
| 13:49.43 | brbrbr | my advice - keep with open drivers and patiently wait before its finished |
| 13:49.57 | brbrbr | such as radeonhd or ati-radeon(with 3D) |
| 13:50.01 | ngomes | im with open drv right now |
| 13:50.08 | brbrbr | good 4 you |
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| 13:50.48 | ngomes | ok |
| 13:50.56 | brbrbr | i hope Ati release at least One Linux version for older cards. cause tension inside customers- SO high |
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| 13:51.07 | brbrbr | one per half-year |
| 13:51.12 | serard | Hmm now I get this line : " 1Nu4VA-0007RU-D3 failed to expand "<; ${if exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client} {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} }" while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear search: Permission denied (euid=101 egid=103)" èé |
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| 13:52.15 | Moorea | Titan8990 so the Nvidia installation does not go through aptitde or the classic integrated upgraders ? |
| 13:52.41 | wols | brbrbr: probably together with ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | Moorea: m-a uses aptitude to get the stuff it needs |
| 13:52.48 | Titan8990 | Moorea: yes, it does. m-a uses aptitude |
| 13:52.50 | serard | Here is the file passwd.client file : http://pastebin.com/P3GKQCqs , and the /etc/hosts file: http://pastebin.com/fmimCue7 |
| 13:53.12 | Moorea | m-a ? |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 13:53.17 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/. |
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| 13:53.39 | Titan8990 | serard: you really need to look at that error and think about what it means |
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| 13:54.10 | Titan8990 | serard: Permission denied (euid=101 egid=103). who is uid 101? does that uid have permission to read that file? |
| 13:54.41 | serard | aaah ok |
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| 13:55.19 | brbrbr | wols why with 10.4 and not 1x.x ? why not with Debian 6.0 or Debian 7.0 ? |
| 13:55.25 | brbrbr | and etc and etc |
| 13:56.19 | wols | cause ubuntu is the biggest (desktop) distro |
| 13:56.36 | wols | and right now, no fglrx drivers work with current Xorg |
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| 13:59.22 | kujed | hello everyone. Question: in a Intel ie3 with x64 support, whish Debian I must install? i386, amd64 or ia64? |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | kujed: i386 or amd64 |
| 14:00.00 | jae | What abrotman said before I could |
| 14:00.14 | llutz | not ia64 ;) |
| 14:00.16 | abrotman | kujed: ia64 is for the Itanium family .. few people want this |
| 14:00.38 | kujed | abrotman for Intel i386 have support for 64 bits? |
| 14:00.48 | slidesinger | kujed: amd64 for 64 bit support. |
| 14:01.07 | kujed | slidesinger nice, thks |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | kujed: you can use either i386 or amd64 .. both should work perfectly fine on x86_64 hardware |
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| 14:01.28 | kujed | abrotman oh! thanks |
| 14:01.32 | abrotman | kujed: the i386 has a -amd64 kernel, but your userspace would still be 32bit |
| 14:02.00 | slidesinger | Be sure to enable VM support in the BIOS, if your Motherboard supports and you plan on running VMs. |
| 14:02.18 | kujed | abrotman now i'm confused. I'll enjoy 64 bits, so I'll install amd64. I'm right? |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:02.51 | kujed | nice, thanks a lot |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | i'm just saying that both should work, your x86_64 hardware is capable of running the i386 version also |
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| 14:03.11 | kujed | ok |
| 14:03.20 | Rossonero | jelly, after changing the ip of the remote machine.. and tried to ping the old address the ping response was positive, which means that there was another server using the same ip.. I will never trust arping anymore ! |
| 14:03.54 | Devastator | abrotman I know it's not my question but I didn't understand what you said: <abrotman> kujed: the i386 has a -amd64 kernel, but your userspace would still be 32bit |
| 14:04.25 | wols | Devastator: you can use a amd64 kernel when running a normal i386 debian |
| 14:04.37 | abrotman | Devastator: the i386 version of debian has a 64bit kernel available (but your userspace would be 32bit), the amd64 version of debian has a 64bit kernel and 64bit userspace |
| 14:04.38 | Devastator | hummm interesting.. |
| 14:04.56 | Devastator | thanks wols and abrotman |
| 14:05.34 | slidesinger | kujed: The main difference between i386 and amd64 is that i386 is 32 bit, and amd64 is 64 bit. Both will work on your hardware. This is Debian Linux, so you get to choose which works best for you! |
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| 14:07.29 | kujed | slidesinger abrotman I would like my doctor was honest like you |
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| 14:08.35 | abrotman | kujed: "Everything is killing you!" :) |
| 14:10.06 | developer | I have made a shellscript, where should I put it so I can runt it from anywhere just like the ls or grep command |
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| 14:10.31 | Titan8990 | developer: anywhere in your $PATH variable |
| 14:10.31 | kujed | abrotman oh, thanks doc. I'll go to live the rest of my life on wild. Goodbye work, goodbye wife... |
| 14:10.34 | llutz | developer: /bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 14:10.39 | llutz | developer: ~/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 14:10.54 | Titan8990 | developer: it is not uncommon to use ~/bin, but you will need to add it to your path |
| 14:11.40 | developer | okej I'll try to just add it to bin and se if it works that way |
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| 14:12.43 | developer | how do I add it to my path? |
| 14:12.44 | jelly | Rossonero: fire your networking admin |
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| 14:14.11 | babilen | developer: http://paste.debian.net/65410/ > .bashrc |
| 14:14.27 | fupp | I tried installing intellij idea and got a configure screen but there was an error in the download url but now the configure screen won't reappear when I try installing it again, how do I make the configure screen reapper? |
| 14:14.43 | babilen | developer: Or just export PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" in a shell |
| 14:14.52 | innociv_ | ugh what the heck |
| 14:14.58 | innociv_ | aptitude install php5 installs apache?! |
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| 14:15.10 | innociv_ | i didn't say mod_php |
| 14:16.07 | Titan8990 | innociv_: maybe you wanted php5-common? |
| 14:16.13 | themill | innociv_: then say what php you do want |
| 14:16.30 | Titan8990 | innociv_: php5 is just a metapackage |
| 14:16.42 | themill | dpkg: tell innociv_ about install php |
| 14:16.52 | Moorea | see you later bye |
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| 14:17.38 | Rossonero | jelly, is there another way than : arping -D ip to discover a duplicated ip ? |
| 14:18.12 | innociv_ | thanks.. |
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| 14:18.36 | innociv_ | i still see apache2 in init.d :\ |
| 14:18.54 | developer | I looked at the link babilen gave, wonder where I should pste it |
| 14:19.07 | babilen | developer: I told you :) |
| 14:19.09 | Titan8990 | innociv_: did you purge the apache2 package? |
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| 14:19.31 | developer | .bashrc? |
| 14:19.36 | babilen | developer: ~/.bashrc (or any file sourced in there. I have it in ~/.bash_env) |
| 14:19.43 | innociv_ | i did aptitude remove of php5 which should of uninstalled it? |
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| 14:20.07 | developer | ok do I still need to ad it to the bin directory? |
| 14:20.07 | Titan8990 | !dotfiles |
| 14:20.08 | dpkg | somebody said dotfiles was http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
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| 14:21.11 | babilen | developer: You need to add any executable you want in your PATH to either ~/bin or another dir in PATH. And read what dpkg just said. |
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| 14:22.32 | Rossonero | how to find a duplicated IP address ? |
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| 14:24.02 | jelly | Rossonero: I've no idea |
| 14:24.15 | innociv_ | how do i fully remove apache2 and all that? :\ aptitude remove apache2 doesn't do it. I see see /etc/init.d/apache2 after aptitude remove of php5. |
| 14:24.21 | jelly | Rossonero: arpwatch can be helpful there |
| 14:24.44 | fupp | where is configuration for installing packages, I didn't find anything in var/lib/dpkg or var/lib/apt |
| 14:24.46 | Titan8990 | innociv_: purge, like said earlier |
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| 14:25.15 | Titan8990 | fupp: system-wide configurations should always be in /etc/ |
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| 14:25.25 | Titan8990 | fupp: /var/lib is where data is stored |
| 14:25.55 | fupp | what I'm looking for is not in etc |
| 14:26.04 | babilen | fupp: what are you looking for? |
| 14:26.07 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I know the load of the processors ? (in %) |
| 14:26.09 | fupp | it's configuration for a specific package |
| 14:26.20 | fupp | stuff it does when installing |
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| 14:26.33 | fupp | it changed the first time I tried installing it |
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| 14:26.57 | cybor0 | hello i have problem with samba and iptables |
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| 14:27.28 | cybor0 | i can connect to samba share throw ip adress but can't connect to samba share throw netbios name |
| 14:27.33 | wols | fupp: what configuration do you mean? |
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| 14:28.00 | cybor0 | anybody help |
| 14:28.02 | fupp | wols: I think maybe it's the stuff that happens when it says "Preconfiguring packages ..." |
| 14:28.14 | babilen | fupp: Are you after compile time options or the preinst (et al) scripts? You'll find those in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 14:28.39 | wols | fupp: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:29.31 | fupp | yeah I think that's it, thanks |
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| 14:30.31 | g00se | Bluetooth newb. The following from dmesg looks promising but trying various bluez stuff draws a blank. How do i see if i've got something to work with? http://debian.pastebin.com/q56Wkygv |
| 14:30.50 | fupp | hmm.. I can't find the package i'm looking for in var/lib/dpkg/info though.. Is there any other similar directories? |
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| 14:31.14 | wols | g00se: looks good |
| 14:31.20 | wols | fupp: no |
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| 14:31.28 | ngomes | brbrbr, u there ? |
| 14:31.48 | brbrbr | there |
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| 14:32.06 | babilen | fupp: What are you trying to do anyway? |
| 14:32.11 | brbrbr | ducks and hides. "just in cause" |
| 14:32.13 | ngomes | its says here http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Enabling3Dacceleration that i can have aceleration with radeon drv |
| 14:32.22 | ngomes | with my gpu |
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| 14:32.29 | g00se | wols: So what would i say with bluez to see if i can send/receive? |
| 14:32.34 | wols | ngomes: as I told you long ago |
| 14:32.46 | babilen | ngomes: radeonhd maybe? |
| 14:32.46 | brbrbr | ngomes - its true for 6.0 syd, but ati-radeon still unfished |
| 14:33.00 | wols | babilen: redaeon is fine. it's a r300 |
| 14:33.03 | brbrbr | radeonhd stripped from 3D by design |
| 14:33.09 | babilen | wols: alright :) |
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| 14:33.14 | ngomes | mine is r300 |
| 14:33.15 | brbrbr | and by purpose |
| 14:33.30 | subsu | Can I somehow tell when a package was installed? |
| 14:33.31 | ngomes | so its radeon , not radeonhd drv |
| 14:33.34 | brbrbr | yep |
| 14:33.38 | Ragnar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6WrBxF4H0 |
| 14:33.41 | wols | ngomes: what does glxinfo say? |
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| 14:33.45 | brbrbr | ati-radeon free drv |
| 14:33.46 | ngomes | error |
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| 14:33.57 | brbrbr | inside 1.7.5 x and mesa 7.7 |
| 14:34.11 | fupp | babilen: I tried installing intellij idea, when I first ran apt-get install it provided a screen to configure where it should download the binary files and now I can't get that screen back and there was an error in the url |
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| 14:34.27 | ngomes | but i've followed the tutorial |
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| 14:34.34 | ngomes | and no luck with aceleration |
| 14:34.36 | babilen | brbrbr: "3D acceleration is active by default only on R5xx and RS6xx right now. Experimental support for R6xx and R7xx is available" http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 14:34.49 | developer | I copied my sh file in to the \bin directory, but the command could be found When I tried to lounch it after even rebooting my system |
| 14:35.06 | wols | developer: ls -l <script> |
| 14:35.10 | ngomes | does anyone can provide a xorg.conf radeon config ? |
| 14:35.16 | Titan8990 | developer: \bin? try using a valid path |
| 14:35.17 | ngomes | im using builted in config |
| 14:35.20 | wols | ngomes: no need |
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| 14:35.37 | fupp | I extracted the control fiels from the deb package, maybe I can find what it did in there |
| 14:35.39 | ngomes | so why i dont have DRI ? |
| 14:35.57 | brbrbr | DRI2 |
| 14:36.00 | fus0r | what Bonding Mode is for reveiving traffic over each nic? |
| 14:36.03 | wols | ngomes: check your xorg logs |
| 14:36.07 | brbrbr | &DRM |
| 14:36.08 | ngomes | hmm ok |
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| 14:41.22 | ngomes | wols, no error on xorg.conf |
| 14:41.25 | ngomes | ops |
| 14:41.28 | ngomes | xorg.log |
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| 14:41.44 | wols | if you get a picture there won't be an error |
| 14:41.53 | wols | a non loading drm is only a warning for example |
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| 14:42.26 | ngomes | wols, can i paste my xorg.0.log for you ? |
| 14:42.31 | cheli | since yesterday update I'm not able to log in using kdm. Anyone have this problem? |
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| 14:44.21 | cantoma | is there any /bin directory that works from the user perspective .. I would like a .sh file to be recognise from any directory .. is it possible? |
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| 14:45.39 | vdelau | cantoma: /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin |
| 14:45.48 | aburch | cantoma: You can change the PATH environment variable to include $HOME/bin and put it there. |
| 14:45.58 | ngomes | is p54pci available in debian stable kernel ? |
| 14:46.01 | aburch | cantoma: Or use /usr/local/bin |
| 14:46.08 | ngomes | i think im falling back to stable |
| 14:47.11 | cantoma | aburch, i don't have system privileges on this account |
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| 14:49.44 | themill | cantoma: use your ~/bin and change your $PATH in .bashrc, .bash_profile etc |
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| 14:51.27 | cantoma | themill, PATH=$PATH:~/bin/ .. works ok :) |
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| 14:54.28 | subsu | my mysql socket gets permissions 775, it used to be 777. How is this controlled in debian? |
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| 14:55.51 | halflife08 | hello folks, i have started to get a lot of errors like this http://pastebin.com/4KB8aunV , this has prevented X from starting. when it does start after like 100 tries, nautilus has been throwing up similar segfaults. i am using testing. i have been tracking testing for a while. any pointers would be helpful |
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| 14:56.35 | wols | halflife08: memtest for a day |
| 14:57.12 | halflife08 | wols: ok thanks |
| 14:57.20 | ngomes | wols, help meeeeee :) |
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| 15:00.42 | developer | ok I already asked this once and got some answers but I still couldn't get it right, what will I need to do if I want to my own sh command to run from anywhere and not jus tin the directory it is located in |
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| 15:01.05 | developer | function just like the ls command |
| 15:01.30 | ryan_ | How can I rsync to two locations/drives without raiding them? |
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| 15:02.20 | themill | developer: you put it in a directory that is listed in $PATH. You can add dirs to $PATH if needed. ~/bin/ is the right place if it's only you using it; /usr/local/bin if others on the same box would want to run it too |
| 15:02.44 | ryan_ | would something like rsync /test/dir1 /test/dir2 && rsync /test/dir1 /test/dir3, be my only option? |
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| 15:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | halflife08: What kind of hardware is this? |
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| 15:07.24 | developer | how do I ad the script to path? |
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| 15:08.41 | Titan8990 | cp script /path/in/my/path |
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| 15:11.06 | doubleclick | how can i disable IPv6 in squeeze? |
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| 15:11.13 | themill | dpkg: tell doubleclick about noipv6 |
| 15:11.55 | doubleclick | themill: thanks! |
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| 15:14.53 | halflife08 | jhutchins_lt: this is a dell latitude laptop D820, with approx 3GB+ ram |
| 15:15.48 | jhutchins_lt | halflife08: Shut it down, open the case, clean out the dust, unplug the ram modules, plug 'em back in, same for any cards, see if that helps. |
| 15:16.27 | innociv_ | I did purge and still see php5 folder, apache2, etc. :/ |
| 15:16.50 | innociv_ | Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed |
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| 15:18.33 | halflife08 | jhutchins_lt: aye, i will try that |
| 15:18.42 | wols | innociv_: dpkg -l apache2* |
| 15:18.59 | themill | libapache2-mod-php5: /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d |
| 15:19.25 | doubleclick | stuff from /boot/grub/menu.lst is now in /boot/grub/grub.cfg right? |
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| 15:19.36 | wols | doubleclick: yes |
| 15:19.39 | innociv_ | wols, rc apache2.2-common 2.2.9-10+lenny6 Apache HTTP Server common files |
| 15:19.53 | wols | innociv_: and that's why directories are still there. not purged |
| 15:20.01 | doubleclick | wols: tnx |
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| 15:20.18 | wols | doubleclick: you don't want to edit grub.cfg tho |
| 15:21.18 | doubleclick | :S |
| 15:21.58 | doubleclick | how do i add command for boot then? |
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| 15:22.22 | Titan8990 | what command? |
| 15:22.28 | innociv_ | er what am i supposed to purge then? apache2-common? apache2.2-common? Says neither installed for those.. |
| 15:22.48 | doubleclick | Titan8990: ipv6.disable=1 |
| 15:23.21 | doubleclick | or can i just put "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" in sysctl.conf? |
| 15:23.22 | Titan8990 | doubleclick: that is a configuration that belongs in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:23.25 | innociv_ | nvm think i got it |
| 15:23.40 | doubleclick | Titan8990: ok, tnx |
| 15:23.59 | innociv_ | well i got the php one.. can't figure out what to purge for apache2.2-common |
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| 15:24.06 | innociv_ | nvm |
| 15:24.33 | doubleclick | although dpkg said "add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader." |
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| 15:28.55 | WWEE | tar cjv -C $HOME/html --exclude=./_file_backups --exclude=./hostedsites . | openssl aes-256-cbc -salt -k password >$HOME/html/_file_backups/$NOWDATE.enc <=== (1) What's the command line to decrypt this (2) is my syntax fine for openssl? |
| 15:29.17 | wols | WWEE: #ubuntu |
| 15:29.20 | WWEE | psh |
| 15:29.25 | WWEE | you shipping me out? |
| 15:29.26 | WWEE | =] |
| 15:29.47 | WWEE | they aren't helpful there |
| 15:29.52 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 15:29.52 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:29.57 | ngomes | this channel wont help a lot |
| 15:30.08 | WWEE | what the fuck is with people on this irc server |
| 15:30.12 | WWEE | and their nerd attitudes |
| 15:30.13 | WWEE | rofl |
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| 15:30.44 | wols | !volunteers |
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| 15:30.44 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 15:30.59 | doubleclick | :) |
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| 15:33.38 | f00bar80 | if i have a useful pppd config files ( peers provider and chatscripts ) i've used to figure it out in debian lenny and did spend a time till i got working, how to make these files available for debian users in my country whom are using the same provider, as i found no guide related to how to make this provider even connectable under linux |
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| 15:34.16 | f00bar80 | i think this doesn't need a packaging , what do you think ppl ? |
| 15:34.31 | stian79 | where is the file containing the kernel comand line with grub2? |
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| 15:35.13 | llutz | stian79: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 15:35.20 | cahoot | stian79: try /etc/default/grub |
| 15:35.58 | feisar | I think you need to edit or ad a file in /etc/grub.d/ then run update grub |
| 15:36.09 | nubcake | is there a way to configure the vnc-server on a dedicated server which has no x-server running (but already installed) through ssh ? |
| 15:36.14 | feisar | you shouldn't edit the grub config directly |
| 15:36.36 | cahoot | stian79: use the entry in /etc/default/grub |
| 15:36.40 | feisar | that's 'update-grub' |
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| 15:37.03 | nubcake | e.g.: to set the vnc-server to auto accept incoming connections, but require the user to enter a password. |
| 15:37.48 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
| 15:38.38 | stian79 | cahoot: I feed the changes in there and type update-grub? |
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| 15:38.59 | cahoot | as per the instruction in the file |
| 15:39.14 | cahoot | see the first line? |
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| 15:39.28 | Deeps | hi, i've upgraded from lenny to squeeze on my home fileserver, and i've noticed now the console is no longer outputting at 720x400, but instead now at 1920x1080 (which is nice!), i was wondering what was being used to make this magic happen? :) |
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| 15:40.35 | Lenhix | Hello ppl |
| 15:40.40 | Lenhix | Hey ppl, I know this is #debian, but just casually is someone good using sed? |
| 15:40.42 | wols | Deeps: proper drivers for your framebuffer? |
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| 15:41.19 | Deeps | wols: oh, it's framebuffered? |
| 15:41.37 | Titan8990 | Lenhix: #sed |
| 15:41.38 | Deeps | wols: weird, hwinfo --framebuffer suggests that my card wont do 1920x1080 to the framebuffer |
| 15:41.41 | Lenhix | |thx |
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| 15:44.35 | Deeps | oh well, thanks |
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| 15:47.43 | stian79 | cahoot: thanks |
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| 15:53.51 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
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| 15:56.29 | sll | hello! |
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| 15:57.17 | sll | I'm up to 6 linux systems on different partitions on a single disc. One contains the grub. When installing a new kernel in each other not updated the menu, as each believed to have the grub. |
| 15:57.17 | sll | Could you provide me any link or information on how to resolve this situation? |
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| 16:01.30 | innociv_ | what do I need to do when i need to set up nameservers? I used a VPS before that had its own nameservers manager, now I have a dedicated without that. |
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| 16:02.35 | rycrostud | Hi Guys. I need to install JDK6 on my Debian box, but the official one, not OpenJDK. Any suggestions please? |
| 16:02.55 | Titan8990 | innociv_: you want to configure your box to use a nameserver, or be a nameserver? |
| 16:03.12 | Titan8990 | !tell rycrostud about install java |
| 16:03.18 | innociv_ | I guess be one.. I don't thnk I have one to use? |
| 16:03.23 | innociv_ | I'm just lost on what I should be looking for |
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| 16:03.56 | Titan8990 | innociv_: usually your domain registrar will be the nameserver for your domain |
| 16:04.19 | Titan8990 | innociv_: if you are wanting to setup a public nameserver to be the authority for your domain, I recommend that it is the only function of the box |
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| 16:04.33 | Titan8990 | innociv_: anyways, the software for that would be BIND |
| 16:05.29 | innociv_ | yeah googling i found BIND. WAsn't sure that was right |
| 16:06.38 | innociv_ | It seems like my dedicated server provider doesn't have it's own DNS. I dunno.. |
| 16:06.38 | cahoot | use opendns? |
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| 16:06.38 | Titan8990 | innociv_: did you register your domain name with the same company that you bought your dedicated server from? |
| 16:06.38 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 16:06.38 | meoblast001 | i'm compiling a kernel |
| 16:06.46 | innociv_ | No |
| 16:06.54 | innociv_ | They don't sell domains from what I see |
| 16:06.58 | meoblast001 | http://pastebin.com/jCUXKaXA i'm getting this error |
| 16:07.15 | Titan8990 | innociv_: here is an example of my domain: linuxgen.com. 10732 IN NS ns1.active-dns.com.; I bought my domain from active-dns.com |
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| 16:07.31 | Titan8990 | innociv_: then your current hosting provider has nothing to do with your domain name |
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| 16:08.20 | Titan8990 | meoblast001: are those just vanilla sources? |
| 16:08.30 | meoblast001 | yup |
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| 16:08.47 | innociv_ | Well I have godaddy. :\ I guess I use their DNS and.. there should be somewhere to point domains to the ip? |
| 16:09.12 | rycrostud | Thanks Titan8990 but that doesn't seem to help. I am only able to get openjdk using apt-get |
| 16:09.12 | apt | sure thing, rycrostud |
| 16:09.15 | innociv_ | their manager is so confusing |
| 16:09.26 | abrotman | rycrostud: did you setup the non-free repos ? |
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| 16:09.54 | Titan8990 | innociv_: godaddy has a DNS manager. Change your @ record to point to your new IP |
| 16:09.54 | Molkmin | Hi, if I restart networking after adding an IP. Will all connections be lost? |
| 16:09.58 | Molkmin | (I'm running an ircd with 150~ users) |
| 16:10.02 | Molkmin | will they be disconnected? |
| 16:10.08 | Titan8990 | rycrostud: you missed the part about sun's version being in non-free |
| 16:10.20 | wols | Molkmin: define "networking" |
| 16:10.22 | Titan8990 | meoblast001: check out /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
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| 16:10.28 | Molkmin | wols: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 16:10.32 | Molkmin | ... |
| 16:10.37 | meoblast001 | Titan8990: what would be there? |
| 16:10.41 | rycrostud | ah |
| 16:10.47 | wols | Molkmin: yes. but that's not needed. ifup <new interface> |
| 16:10.48 | Titan8990 | Molkmin: yes, that will actually brind down the interfaces |
| 16:11.06 | Molkmin | ah ok. so ifup eth0:0 should do it? :p |
| 16:11.32 | wols | dunno if it works with virtual interfaces, but usually it does |
| 16:11.38 | tarzeau | anyone up for a duel? http://lplusplus.co.cc ? |
| 16:11.54 | Titan8990 | meoblast001: I believe that make-kpkg should create that file that it says is incorrect |
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| 16:12.29 | meoblast001 | why isn't it being created then? |
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| 16:12.53 | LincKraker | anyone know how to get the cricket a600 working properly?? |
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| 16:13.51 | adb | meoblast001, http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 16:13.53 | abrotman | LincKraker: working properly with what? to do what? |
| 16:14.24 | idebug | bugger. installed a new server with software raid on /boot and grub cant install. complains that "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." any ideas? |
| 16:14.54 | LincKraker | the a600 is a broadband cdma modem. working properly with lenny |
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| 16:15.30 | wols | LincKraker: so your problem is solved? hallelujah! |
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| 16:16.40 | LincKraker | no i answered the questions |
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| 16:17.37 | petardilla | hola |
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| 16:19.33 | LincKraker | is this channel not for help? |
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| 16:22.09 | manhunter | hi |
| 16:22.19 | manhunter | what's the date for debian squeeze release? |
| 16:22.46 | wols | manhunter: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 16:22.51 | Titan8990 | !wir |
| 16:22.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 16:23.09 | karlpinc | idebug: Bootloaders don'd understand raid, except raid0 which just duplicates. |
| 16:23.55 | idebug | karlpinc: raid0 is striping |
| 16:24.01 | idebug | do you mean raid1? |
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| 16:24.46 | karlpinc | idebug: Yes. My bad. |
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| 16:25.07 | idebug | karlpinc: my /boot partition is raid1'ed... so that shouldnt be the problem |
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| 16:28.32 | idebug | how do i figure out what my device mapping is? if its not (hd0,0) or whatever |
| 16:28.48 | Titan8990 | idebug: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:29.14 | idebug | Titan8990: its wrong |
| 16:29.37 | Titan8990 | idebug: then you need to hand edit it. It will be the same order as fdisk reports |
| 16:29.54 | Titan8990 | idebug: sda1 would be (hd0,0) |
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| 16:30.24 | DevilChaos | hi guys |
| 16:30.27 | idebug | Titan8890: is thats the case, then i cant figure out why grub refuses to install |
| 16:30.47 | idebug | "grub-install --no-floppy --recheck hd0" fails with "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
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| 16:31.43 | DevilChaos | cool on topic for my prob then i have a few issues with grub aswell i want to get rid of the debian edu background for it please if someone has any knowlege as ive triede lol |
| 16:32.37 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: edu background? |
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| 16:32.50 | Titan8990 | idebug: I would suspect the raid, not certain though |
| 16:32.51 | idebug | and the /tmp/grub file from that command reads "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 16:33.09 | Titan8990 | idebug: its not mounted already? |
| 16:33.11 | DevilChaos | yeah skol@debian edu or something to that effect |
| 16:33.21 | idebug | Titan8990: maybe, but is a simple raid1 setup. |
| 16:33.23 | DevilChaos | its crap and i want rid of it |
| 16:33.26 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: I still have no clue what your talking about |
| 16:33.32 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 16:33.46 | Titan8990 | idebug: yes, but its not typical to have your /boot on a RAID |
| 16:33.56 | DevilChaos | hold on |
| 16:34.08 | karlpinc | Titan8990: raid 1 is sorta common. |
| 16:34.09 | idebug | Titan8990: what happens when one of your drives fail |
| 16:34.19 | idebug | unbootable system? |
| 16:34.35 | idebug | sort of defeats the purpose |
| 16:34.49 | idebug | is what im using on my ubuntu server tho and works fine |
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| 16:36.11 | Titan8990 | idebug: ubuntu is currently using grub2. You can try that but I am not certain what exactly are the limitations of grub-legacy |
| 16:36.35 | idebug | is grub-legacy the default for debian lenny ? |
| 16:36.52 | idebug | ah, so it is |
| 16:37.15 | idebug | i'll try that out |
| 16:37.46 | idebug | this is a xen server for development vm's, so im at liberty to do what i want so long as it works in the end |
| 16:38.16 | DevilChaos | ok need to reset grub splash image from debian edu please |
| 16:38.38 | DevilChaos | googling aswell |
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| 16:38.46 | hellyeah | hey |
| 16:38.50 | hellyeah | i have a problem |
| 16:39.15 | hellyeah | i cant see windows 7 partition on grub |
| 16:39.20 | hellyeah | i have grub2 |
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| 16:39.48 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: are you using debian or some "based on debian" distro? |
| 16:39.54 | DevilChaos | why have you given bill i steal other software gates your money |
| 16:39.56 | DevilChaos | debian |
| 16:40.23 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: alright, so you have debian... and a boot splash you installed that you want to remove? what version of debian? |
| 16:40.38 | DevilChaos | 5.04 lenny |
| 16:40.48 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: and how did you install the bootsplash? |
| 16:40.53 | DevilChaos | change if poss |
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| 16:41.37 | Titan8990 | !details |
| 16:41.38 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 16:42.04 | DevilChaos | grub splash images |
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| 16:42.45 | Titan8990 | DevilChaos: aptitude purge grub-splashimages |
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| 16:44.05 | DevilChaos | thanks titan check now |
| 16:44.08 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 16:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Man, that ought to get triggered any time a question mark appears (perhaps with a timeout in between). |
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| 16:46.36 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: the last one was especially bad to extract info from... |
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| 16:56.55 | Astroman | I am trying to back up the essential files on my server, so I have copied everything in /etc, but I need to get the list of installed packages too. Is the list stored in a config file somewhere? |
| 16:57.17 | g00se | If a script in init.d calls log_progress_msg, what is that and where's it heading to? |
| 16:57.36 | Vasistha | Astroman: dpkg --get-selected |
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| 16:57.58 | wols | Astroman: /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 17:01.56 | Astroman | thanks vasistha and wols - just what I wanted |
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| 17:18.35 | farri | I am trying to record with logitech usb desktop microphone and I get no sound although another microphone I have records correctly in alsa, alsa detects the card and modules are loaded, who can help me? I am in debian stable |
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| 17:19.04 | Vasistha | farri: I assume the other microphone is not usb, but plugs into the mic jack? |
| 17:19.26 | farri | Vasistha: the other mic is also a usb one, but it's a webcam mic with bad quality |
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| 17:19.52 | farri | now I have two microphones both detected in alsa |
| 17:20.05 | Vasistha | farri: ah, it is already detected, huh? |
| 17:20.19 | farri | yes it is already but nothing recorded |
| 17:21.01 | farri | cat /proc/asound/cards: 2 [default ]: USB-Audio - AK5370 |
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| 17:21.19 | farri | AKM AK5370 at usb-0000:00:02.0-6, full speed |
| 17:21.19 | Vasistha | farri: I'm going to guess that it might be muted. Have you looked at a mixer, e.g. alsamixer or kmix? Do you see both mics there? |
| 17:21.38 | adb | farri, enable capture in mixer too |
| 17:21.45 | meoblast001 | sighs |
| 17:21.48 | meoblast001 | kernel build failed |
| 17:21.49 | zinx | farri: it's either muted or you need to tell your recording app to record from the USB mic instead of the sound card you already have |
| 17:21.55 | meoblast001 | http://pastebin.com/WwfFhSG7 |
| 17:21.59 | farri | ok, how can I unmute it and activate mixer? |
| 17:22.20 | farri | I have tried with amixer but can't do anything there |
| 17:22.27 | wols | meoblast001: BTS |
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| 17:22.41 | meoblast001 | BTS? |
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| 17:23.10 | farri | arecord --list-devices: card 2: default [AK5370 ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] |
| 17:23.28 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 17:23.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 17:23.36 | farri | so how do I unmute card 2 in alsa? I think it is a muting problem but I see no way to unmute it |
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| 17:24.03 | Vasistha | farri: if you're running kde, kmix might be easier to use than alsamixer |
| 17:24.07 | simonrvn | alsamixer -> press m |
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| 17:24.12 | meoblast001 | wols: hm, i'm an Ubuntu user, but kernel people directed me here, should i instead use the Ubuntu bug tracker? |
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| 17:24.43 | farri | I have kmix but unclear about how to use it, a lot of devices and channels, getting confused |
| 17:24.53 | wols | meoblast001: who did directed you here? |
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| 17:24.59 | wols | meoblast001: in what channel? |
| 17:25.00 | adb | meoblast001, < troll Ubuntu |
| 17:25.07 | ga_bash | Hello, I was trying to compile the Nvidia kernel module but I am in a shock to know that the kernel that they have shipped is compiled with gcc-4.1 but the gcc version that they have provided is gcc-4.3 . So apparently no chance of compiling any module with.? any suggestions. thanks. I am using Debian-5.0.4 Lenny. |
| 17:25.23 | meoblast001 | wols: ##kernel, <t_sun> that's a debian problem again |
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| 17:25.29 | wols | ga_bash: we do not support the nvidia.com installer |
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| 17:25.51 | ga_bash | wols, its not the issue of nvidia . its the issue with the compiling any module. |
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| 17:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 17:26.27 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 17:27.18 | wols | ,versions gcc |
| 17:27.21 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
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| 17:27.37 | wols | ga_bash: uname -a |
| 17:27.43 | ga_bash | jhutchins_lt, not specifically about nvidia . I want to know that why they have provided with the different version of gcc than the one they compiled the kernel. How is one supposed to compile any module withit? |
| 17:27.57 | wols | ga_bash: uname -a |
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| 17:28.09 | ga_bash | wols, Linux localhost 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:28.39 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: They being nvidia, ask them. |
| 17:28.52 | ga_bash | jhutchins_lt, I think its useless to talk to you |
| 17:28.53 | Vasistha | meoblast001: well at any rate, if you are running ubuntu, you need to ask #ubuntu |
| 17:29.01 | meoblast001 | ok, thanks |
| 17:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: That's what we're trying to tell you. |
| 17:29.27 | themill | ga_bash: gcc-4.1 is still in debian. But please use the debian packages for the nvidia drivers. See what dpkg just said. |
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| 17:29.39 | ga_bash | jhutchins_lt, please stop trolling |
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| 17:30.38 | themill | dpkg: tell ga_bash about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 17:31.01 | themill | ga_bash: we don't support the nvidia installer here because it causes more problems than we care to deal with. |
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| 17:31.33 | ga_bash | themill, thanks. but how to compile any other module? with different gcc versions? |
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| 17:32.24 | themill | ga_bash: the debian packages do this for you. For a reason. |
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| 17:32.41 | wols | !tell ga_bash about ssb |
| 17:32.51 | wols | ga_bash: much better than getting the nvidia.com crapware |
| 17:32.52 | innociv | why would i get 404 not found when trying to wget a url that I can download on my windows browser fine? |
| 17:32.58 | themill | dpkg: tell ga_bash about nvidia compiler fix |
| 17:33.03 | hdcase | I have just done a blank install on my crusty old P4 733mhz, and GNOME runs surprisingly well on it |
| 17:33.12 | innociv | a bz2 file |
| 17:33.21 | ga_bash | wols, but I need the closed source driver for some core C programming in cuda. |
| 17:33.43 | wols | ga_bash: yes. and ssb is giving you that |
| 17:33.50 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 17:33.52 | ga_bash | innociv, you may have mistyped the link |
| 17:33.52 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1 |
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| 17:34.01 | vdelau | Is there a *very* simple way to create a .deb? For instance, I've got a MySQL UDF that I need on a couple of servers. It is just a single .so file that needs to be installed. |
| 17:34.03 | ga_bash | wols, themill thanks |
| 17:34.08 | wols | ga_bash: you don't get newer than 190.x from nvidia.com, do you? |
| 17:34.08 | innociv | yeah nevermind |
| 17:34.11 | innociv | dns issue |
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| 17:34.20 | ga_bash | wols, I suppose not |
| 17:34.32 | babilen | vdelau: Take a look at dh_make and other dh_ tools |
| 17:34.37 | babilen | !tell vdelau -about nmg |
| 17:34.42 | ga_bash | innociv, are you able to ping any site? |
| 17:34.46 | hdcase | vdelau: no, debs are like a cross between php and assembler |
| 17:34.51 | innociv | i got it now |
| 17:35.05 | ga_bash | innociv, if not then populate /etc/resolv.conf with appropriate dns servers |
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| 17:35.17 | ga_bash | innociv, please tell us how you got it now? |
| 17:35.23 | farri | Vasistha: no way, the micro gives no sound, I even tried with arecord |
| 17:35.24 | ga_bash | smells some sort of magic |
| 17:35.25 | vdelau | babilen: I was looking at that, but it seems to be more trouble than it's worth. |
| 17:35.35 | vdelau | hdcase: lol |
| 17:35.46 | farri | how can I make sure the micro is not muted? |
| 17:35.56 | innociv | using the ip instead of domain. It was my own domain which i already started switching the dns over on |
| 17:36.05 | babilen | vdelau: It won't get easier than dh_make |
| 17:36.06 | Vasistha | farri: well I don't know if there is a driver problem or if it's muted. My inclination is to check for muting since it looks like the device is recognized. |
| 17:36.26 | d_b | could anyone recommend ftpd servers with tls, scripting , and with other advanced features? |
| 17:36.31 | farri | Vasistha: ok now my question is how can I make sure it's not muted |
| 17:36.43 | Vasistha | farri: we've done our best to guide you to alsamixer and kmix. Have you really examined all the inputs to see if you can figure out which one it is |
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| 17:37.01 | vdelau | babilen: how does cdbs compare? |
| 17:37.08 | farri | Vasistha: I have all channels to max volume level in kmix! |
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| 17:38.56 | babilen | vdelau: Haven't used, debhelper is the tool to use these days AFACT |
| 17:38.57 | Vasistha | farri: have you checked the inputs as well as the outputs? have you looked at the little mute lights at the top and the record lights at the bottom? And, most importantly, have you identified which device is the microphone you're after? It may be that it is hidden for some reason or not recognized |
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| 17:41.11 | farri | Vasistha: ok, let's see, I have three parts in kmix, input output and parameters |
| 17:41.34 | farri | Vasistha: so I go to input, because micro should be input |
| 17:41.38 | Vasistha | farri: good |
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| 17:41.59 | farri | in fact I don't see two micros, and that is suspicious |
| 17:42.08 | Vasistha | farri: well now we are getting somewhere |
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| 17:42.39 | Vasistha | farri: do you know which one of these things controls the working mic on the usb webcam? |
| 17:42.59 | mwarning | hi, what license does code on debian mailing list does have if none is mentioned? |
| 17:42.59 | farri | I can tell you what channels I see: 3D control sigmatel, line, cd, mic, video, phone, aux, capture |
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| 17:43.33 | farri | Vasistha: no, I am not sure which one works with the usb because I don't see the hw: descriptions |
| 17:43.46 | Vasistha | farri: so play around with them until you figure it out. |
| 17:44.06 | farri | Vasistha: the green light at the top is it mute or unmute?¿ |
| 17:44.07 | mwarning | To be more specific: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2002/04/msg00082.html |
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| 17:44.20 | Vasistha | farri: tias (try it and see) |
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| 17:44.29 | Vasistha | farri: also note the red record at the bottom |
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| 17:44.53 | mrbnet | Would policy based routing be the easiest way to route traffic back out the interface it originated from in a multi NIC environment? |
| 17:45.10 | Vasistha | now, I can tell you that my system does not have a "3d control sigmatel" or "video" so I wonder if one of those might be it |
| 17:46.54 | serard | gn8 all |
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| 17:52.40 | nvz | mwarning: are you serious? this is a debian support channel, not free legal help. I counted at least 5 email addresses you could send that question to on that link. |
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| 17:53.34 | mwarning | nvz, I just feel that those people might already get enough emails. So I should investigate on my own a bit. |
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| 17:54.02 | Vasistha | mwarning: go ahead and ask, worst case is they don't answer you, but you're not gonna get a reliable answer here |
| 17:54.02 | fastputty | hello is it posible to do a network mount of a directory in another server? thanks you |
| 17:54.04 | nvz | mwarning: maybe you should.. |
| 17:54.15 | Vasistha | fastputty: maybe you want nfs |
| 17:54.35 | nvz | fastputty: yes, its possible |
| 17:54.42 | fastputty | how? :O |
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| 17:54.45 | fastputty | nfs? |
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| 17:55.06 | nvz | fastputty: nfs, cifs, among other things |
| 17:55.07 | mwarning | nvz, meh, I wanted to ask on the solaris channel. wrong tab. sry |
| 17:55.22 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 17:55.30 | fastputty | nvz: what is the faster for small file ? :o |
| 17:55.41 | fastputty | nvz: any caching possible? :s |
| 17:55.43 | mwarning | nvz, I know. Don't blow your brain. |
| 17:55.45 | nkuttler | fastputty: sshfs as well |
| 17:55.46 | mwarning | ;) |
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| 17:56.02 | nvz | fastputty: if both system are linux nfs would probably be the easiest to implement |
| 17:56.35 | nkuttler | sshfs user@host:/to/mount /target, piece of cake |
| 17:56.49 | fastputty | nvz: yeah both are debian. THanks you |
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| 17:57.55 | nvz | mwarning: not blowing my brain.. its just amazing me how dense some people can be. I don't know whats more ridiculous, that you're worried about a license for that smidget of code, or that you won't ask the people who wrote it, but instead will bother random people on the internet with no knowledge on the code, or legal expertise |
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| 17:58.49 | nvz | fastputty: yeah if its not on your network, sshfs might be a better solution. its certainly more secure |
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| 18:01.47 | khem_ | what benefits do i achieche through using TLS and S/MIME certs for mail usage? |
| 18:01.59 | jhutchins_lt | fastputty: sshfs might be what you need, minimal setup. |
| 18:02.27 | tamash_ | TLS = transport layer security. encrypted on the line. !!!benefit!!! |
| 18:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah what nkuttler said., |
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| 18:03.25 | Vasistha | khem_: more privacy -- less likely that someone could read your confidential messages |
| 18:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | khem_: Passwords, if any, are encrypted, and you have the option of requiring the remote client/server to authenticate. It tends to cut back on the spam. |
| 18:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | email != confidential |
| 18:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | even with pgp. |
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| 18:05.04 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: whats the problem with pgp ? |
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| 18:05.24 | khem_ | thankyou for the informative answers. |
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| 18:05.28 | zinx | i'm going to guess the headers are still visible.. maybe? |
| 18:05.34 | mwarning | nvz, license issues can blow up projects, so it matters in general. I was looking for the legal standing for code on the mailing list. #debian are not random people, some might be able to help me with a hint. If nobody answers, that's ok. |
| 18:05.35 | zinx | not sure how much of a problem that is |
| 18:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: It can be defeated. |
| 18:05.43 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: how? |
| 18:05.50 | mwarning | bye |
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| 18:06.03 | zinx | petemc: all you have to do is factor a really big number for each key! >_< |
| 18:06.04 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: It also doesn't guarantee who actually receveives and decrypts a message. |
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| 18:06.31 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: it can only be decrypted with the recipients public key |
| 18:06.38 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: you are aware that TLS/SSL are based on the same technology as pgp, no? |
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| 18:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Whatever. |
| 18:06.50 | petemc | good answer |
| 18:06.57 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: never said they were any better. |
| 18:07.02 | zinx | correction - it can only be decrypted with the private key |
| 18:07.13 | petemc | right |
| 18:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: Usually it's encrypted with the private and decrypted with the public. |
| 18:07.43 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: other way around, unless you're talking about signatures |
| 18:07.51 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: you cannot decrypt with the public key. |
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| 18:07.59 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. This is not relevant to Debian. |
| 18:08.15 | petemc | its relevant to this conversation |
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| 18:08.49 | zinx | afaik RSA hasn't been broken, and pgp as currently used has unbroken symmetric encryption algorithms available |
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| 18:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | It is an irrelevant quibble over semantics, and the security of pgp, tls, and ssl are well explained elsewhere. |
| 18:09.20 | zinx | yes, and elsewhere explains that they are fairly secure |
| 18:09.29 | jhutchins_lt | fairly - exactly. |
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| 18:09.39 | zinx | and so that's the reason for the saying it's insecure |
| 18:09.45 | zinx | erh, questioning the |
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| 18:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | You also can not guarantee that someone unintended doesn't have access to the receiving system and it's decryption capabilities. |
| 18:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | You have no control over the receiving system, or what happens to the message after it's received. |
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| 18:10.32 | zinx | you can not gaurantee someone's not sniffing the RF from your monitor to read it, either. |
| 18:10.33 | niklaswe | is the rar-packages in contrib or non-free? |
| 18:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | If both Fred and Paul have your key, and you send something to Fred that Paul wasn't supposed to know about, what then? |
| 18:10.46 | zinx | there's no reason to spread paranoia :/ |
| 18:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, cc, wrong address.. |
| 18:11.03 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: any technology used wrong doesn't work as well |
| 18:11.08 | lindi- | zinx: bug in iceweasel probably is the easiest route |
| 18:11.19 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: you encrypt with Fred's public key |
| 18:11.22 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: It's not paranoia. email is not confidential. Ever. |
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| 18:11.33 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: there's no reason to tell people stuff is insecure merely because you can use it incorrectly, unless you know that they are probably using it incorrectly - in which case you explain the proper way to use it |
| 18:11.42 | Vasistha | niklaswe: unrar is in non-free |
| 18:11.49 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: yeah, i think i'm done being trolled now :/ |
| 18:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: Information sent by email can not legally be considered confidential. |
| 18:12.14 | Vasistha | niklaswe: there's also an unrar-free that's not as good |
| 18:12.24 | Vasistha | niklaswe: well, depending what you think of as "good". |
| 18:12.36 | AimHere | jhutchins_lt, you got a citation for that or the name of a law/case? |
| 18:12.40 | lindi- | niklaswe: there's unfortunately no free software to decompress newer RAR archives |
| 18:12.41 | zinx | i've not managed to get unrar-free to unrar anything relatively mecent |
| 18:12.43 | zinx | erh, recent |
| 18:12.54 | jhutchins_lt | AimHere: Not here, no. Look it up. |
| 18:12.56 | zinx | AimHere: there was a recent ruling on that |
| 18:12.58 | AimHere | jhutchins_lt, I don't know if what you say is true, but it sounds like those myths |
| 18:13.07 | zinx | AimHere: but the statement was competely off-topic |
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| 18:14.17 | AimHere | I looked it up. First proper citation says that jhutchins_lt is at least partly wrong. |
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| 18:14.37 | AimHere | "A lawyer may, in ordinary circumstances, use unencrypted Internet e-mail to transmit client confidential information without violating the Utah Rules of Professional Conduct. " |
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| 18:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | Excuse the paste: "The Missouri Bar Disciplinary Counsel requires all Missouri lawyers to notify all recipients of e-mail that (1) e-mail communication is not a secure method of communication; (2) any e-mail that is sent to you or by you may be copied and held by various computers it passes through as it goes from me to you or vice versa; (3) persons not participating in our communication may intercept our communications by |
| 18:15.54 | jhutchins_lt | improperly accessing your computer or my computer or even some computer unconnected to either of us which the e-mail passed through." |
| 18:16.09 | Sazpaimon__ | My debian rescue image is showing "/proc/modules: No such file or directory." it looks like they compiled this with a generic kernel |
| 18:16.35 | Sazpaimon__ | is there a way to get my /proc/modules directory back? |
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| 18:17.05 | zinx | AimHere: i want to stress that the legal ruling on the matter had nothing to do with the conversation, but here you go: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100316/1118098582.shtml |
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| 18:18.16 | Vasistha | I wonder if law firms have ever tried to snoop on opposing council emails |
| 18:18.26 | zinx | Vasistha: i am 100% certain that they have |
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| 18:18.49 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: well, i work in the legal industry in northern ireland and we've spent the past year implementing pgp for various organisations from judiciary to government trusts, so obviously we think differently here |
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| 18:19.05 | Vasistha | zinx: good for them. heh |
| 18:19.05 | fastputty | hello guys, i have some trouble to open port for NFS in deban behind iptables. I let the port 2049 and 111 tcp open. But it doesnt let me connect to it. Maybe someone could help me on this. |
| 18:19.13 | petemc | which isnt to say we use apple hardware, tho i do! |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | hands petemc a cheesesteam |
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| 18:20.09 | petemc | throws a cake at abrotmans ass |
| 18:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Have a look at item 3 though. |
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| 18:20.37 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: that problem isnt particular to email |
| 18:20.46 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Correct. |
| 18:20.57 | abrotman | hrmph .. at least i was nice about it! |
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| 18:21.05 | petemc | heh |
| 18:21.13 | dvs | goes looking for a PGP POTS phone. |
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| 18:21.51 | abrotman | dvs: it sounds like a fax line? :) |
| 18:22.03 | Vasistha | fastputty: I gave up on nfs because I always had firewall trouble. If you bring the firewall down, can you connect? |
| 18:22.13 | dvs | abrotman: mmm.... could be.... |
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| 18:23.09 | jhutchins_lt | fastputty: Really shouldn't be using nfs through a firewall, you need a more secure protocol for that, and nfs is not meant to be routed. |
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| 18:23.51 | abrotman | he didn't say routing? |
| 18:23.52 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: v4 is |
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| 18:27.01 | Vasistha | is there a way to detect what time my system was brought out of suspend-to-ram ? |
| 18:27.45 | fastputty | Vasistha: yes i can connect without firewall |
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| 18:28.41 | Vasistha | fastputty: yeah... I never figured out how to get things to work well. I usually had the experience that it would take about 3 minutes to form the connection. I think what happens is that nfs is slowly poking at a bunch of different ports to see which one it is allowed through |
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| 18:29.12 | Vasistha | fastputty: at any rate, nowadays I usually just use apache web server to transfer files from a server to a client |
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| 18:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: I have heard that while nfs4 is _theoretically_ routable, running it remotely is very problematic, dropped connections and locked filesystems being common. |
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| 18:35.46 | machtfuernacht | Hi, can someone help me to get wake on lan working |
| 18:36.25 | machtfuernacht | ethtool says "g" and I set NETDOWN to "no" |
| 18:37.19 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: mind if i pm you? i'll explain in pm, you can ignore me after if you'd like :) |
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| 18:38.37 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I hadn't looked into aside from the fact that I read it was routeable as of that version. I would never use NFS over the internet personally |
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| 18:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Yeah, and dumb of me to assume that a fiewall meant internet given recent discussions here. |
| 18:40.22 | llutz | machtfuernacht: use /etc/network/if-post-down.d to run "ifconfig <yourdevice> down" explicitly. that worked for me |
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| 18:40.40 | Bohemian | please :) |
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| 18:41.24 | abrotman | why not explain it here ? |
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| 18:43.37 | daffidity | hi. How do I find out both the gamma setting and my monitor's colour temp in linux? |
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| 18:54.53 | farri | I have two usb microphones and alsa is rejects to record from the one I want, both are treated as usb mixer, how can I order devices so alsa gets the one I want? |
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| 18:55.05 | farri | I think I can do it with sound.conf but how |
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| 18:55.24 | cahoot | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards |
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| 18:55.45 | farri | thanks cahoot |
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| 18:58.20 | Vasistha | farri: sounds like you made some progress |
| 18:58.29 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: ot. |
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| 18:58.50 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | oh, i meant to explain why he wanted to pm you |
| 18:59.19 | farri | Vasistha: I rebooted with ubuntu latest release and micro is detected, and in debian gnome-alsamixer shows two micros as usb-mixer so they must interfere eachother |
| 18:59.56 | KjetilK | I had a problem on lenny: On bootup, it used one of my firewire backup disks as /dev/sda and thus didn't boot |
| 19:00.08 | KjetilK | can I prevent this from happening? |
| 19:00.22 | KjetilK | By e.g. using something in /dev/disk ? |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 19:00.27 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 19:00.46 | KjetilK | thanks abrotman |
| 19:00.47 | Vasistha | KjetilK: as noted above, you can use uuid in your /etc/fstab |
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| 19:02.36 | f00bar80 | if i have a useful pppd config files ( peers provider and chatscripts ) i've used to figure it out in debian lenny and did spend a time till i got working, how to make these files available for debian users in my country whom are using the same provider, as i found no guide related to how to make this provider even connectable under linux |
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| 19:03.54 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: publish them online somewhere? |
| 19:04.01 | Vasistha | f00bar80: it's very kind of you to want to share. If you have a blog or a web site, you could publish it there |
| 19:04.13 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: perhaps the debian wiki, but i think that's more for info about debian itself |
| 19:04.16 | f00bar80 | that's it ? |
| 19:04.37 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: sure, mention "debian" and the name of your provider, perhaps google will start picking it up |
| 19:04.51 | Vasistha | f00bar80: well, maybe the ISP has some support forums? |
| 19:04.53 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, that's why i already did |
| 19:05.00 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: ah, ok |
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| 19:06.39 | smooph | hey I have a question ... how can i mark a package as installed ... background: i have manually installed a MailServer and want to use logcheck which requires an "mail-transport-agent" now I want to tell apt I already have one installed. |
| 19:06.53 | f00bar80 | it's mainly how to make a specific 3G usb modem to work under debian lenny, nothing to be packaged as a driver for this 3G usb to be used in debian repos. ? |
| 19:07.08 | sll | I'm up to 6 linux systems on different partitions on a single disc. One contains the grub. When installing a new kernel in each other not updated the menu, as each believed to have the grub. Could you provide me any link or information on how to resolve this situation? |
| 19:07.11 | SerajewelKS | smooph: i'm not sure that's possible |
| 19:07.21 | Vasistha | smooph: uhm ... sounds like you are trying to undermine the integrity of the packaging system, which is not recommended |
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| 19:07.53 | abrotman | !tell smooph about equivs |
| 19:07.53 | smooph | but therer must be a way to do that. I mena if you installed your MTA from source, what then? |
| 19:07.56 | Vasistha | smooph: what you should have done is to make a deb out of the mailserver install and marked it as being a mail-transport-agent -- not to say that doing so is a very easy thing to do... |
| 19:07.58 | smooph | *mean |
| 19:08.32 | smooph | our mail server came with the openpkg version of kolab |
| 19:08.51 | smooph | I dont even wanna think about converting that into a deb |
| 19:09.08 | Vasistha | smooph: it might not be as difficult as you think |
| 19:09.09 | SerajewelKS | smooph: see what abrotman had dpkg tell you |
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| 19:09.24 | Vasistha | !tell smooph about deb |
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| 19:09.50 | superlinux | hi |
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| 19:13.55 | superlinux | i have in my grub menu.lst the line "root (hd0,1)" must be "root(hd1,1) just to make my system boot correctly. now, how can i make it always take or write in menu.lst "root(hd1,1)" ? |
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| 19:15.28 | Vasistha | superlinux: uhm... change it? also note the "default grub root device" that is a comment -- but these comments are parsed when installing a new kernel and regenerating menu.lst |
| 19:15.43 | jhutchins_lt | !details |
| 19:15.43 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 19:15.52 | Vasistha | superlinux: so just change the line that says # groot=(hd0,0) |
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| 19:16.11 | superlinux | Vasistha, ok cool |
| 19:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: It depends on whether you're running grub or grub2, but there are comments in the files that say where to make changes that will be preserved when grub is updated. |
| 19:16.49 | superlinux | Vasistha, however, i always get it after my 1st time installation |
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| 19:17.08 | Vasistha | superlinux: get what? |
| 19:17.55 | superlinux | Vasistha, this same situation |
| 19:18.34 | superlinux | i think my "root(hdxxx,xxx)" should have been set already from the installer correctly |
| 19:18.47 | superlinux | but it never does it |
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| 19:19.52 | Vasistha | say, does anyone know if there is a planned date for freeze or release of squeeze? I recall reading an interview last year with the debian project leader aiming to release this last winter and then do timed 2-year releases, but clearly that hasn't happened. Any idea if a release is being prepared for sometime this year? |
| 19:20.27 | Vasistha | superlinux: yeah, sometimes the installer doesn't get stuff quite right. |
| 19:21.15 | cahoot | superlinux: taken a look at device.map? |
| 19:22.17 | superlinux | cahoot, yes i did |
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| 19:22.46 | superlinux | it was 1st hd0=hdc where it should have been hd1=hdc |
| 19:23.15 | cahoot | so thats' the root of the problem |
| 19:23.25 | superlinux | i had to guess the correct number just to boot. Oh, I forgot to tell you i have other HD's attached |
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| 19:25.06 | cahoot | superlinux: I suppose using uuid would solve it - but presumes grub2 |
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| 19:25.53 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:26.02 | superlinux | i am on lenny still |
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| 19:29.06 | cahoot | superlinux: IIRC it's possible to edit a line in menu.lst to make what you want |
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| 19:29.46 | superlinux | cahoot, I know.. but it's really getting annoying after these years |
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| 19:32.16 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 19:32.35 | CoolCold | i have fresh lenny install but it doesn't have python symlink. there was one in ethc |
| 19:32.37 | CoolCold | *etch |
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| 19:34.41 | Vasistha | CoolCold: I'm going to guess that python is not installed on your system, why don't you install it with aptitude? |
| 19:34.49 | SerajewelKS | CoolCold: i have one over here, provided by python-minimal |
| 19:35.18 | cahoot | superlinux: ok my guess is bios and grub disagrees about your device order |
| 19:35.32 | CoolCold | Vasistha: no, python is installed |
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| 19:35.48 | Vasistha | CoolCold: but it's not in your $PATH ? |
| 19:35.48 | superlinux | thanks, guys. |
| 19:35.52 | SerajewelKS | CoolCold: is python installed, or is python2.x installed? |
| 19:36.01 | CoolCold | that would be too dumb to ask without installed python :) |
| 19:36.02 | superlinux | you may leave my issue. |
| 19:36.09 | CoolCold | root@delta:~# dpkg -l|grep python |
| 19:36.10 | CoolCold | ii python2.5 2.5.2-15+lenny1 An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2. |
| 19:36.10 | CoolCold | ii python2.5-minimal 2.5.2-15+lenny1 A minimal subset of the Python language (version 2.5) |
| 19:36.12 | Squawk | Hey guys, I'm about to do the dreaded and install windows XP on my debian box, which will of course take great pleasure in overwriting my MBR. What's the quickest way of getting it back? |
| 19:36.18 | SerajewelKS | CoolCold: well, silly, install python then |
| 19:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Let me guess, you have both ATA and SATA devices, right? |
| 19:36.38 | CoolCold | oh |
| 19:36.45 | orfix | Hi, what can i do to play FLV (youtube) videos on VLC ? (it works with ubuntu) here is what i get using vlc http://paste.ubuntu.com/400123/ i tried mplayer it worked only if started from the terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/400126/ thanks ! |
| 19:36.46 | Vasistha | CoolCold: fyi you can also use dpkg -l 'python*' |
| 19:36.49 | CoolCold | way stupid |
| 19:36.57 | CoolCold | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 19:37.00 | SerajewelKS | CoolCold: python2.5 and e.g. python2.6 can be installed side-by-side. so the symlink is provided by the python package. |
| 19:37.03 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, no |
| 19:37.12 | superlinux | only ATA |
| 19:37.12 | cahoot | Squawk: refrain from that step? |
| 19:37.22 | SerajewelKS | CoolCold: i'm not exactly sure why alternatives were not used, but meh, i'm not a packager |
| 19:37.32 | Squawk | cahoot, which step, installing windows? I'd love to, but not an option atm unfortunately |
| 19:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Interesting. It's a known problem with mixed systems. |
| 19:37.36 | CoolCold | SerajewelKS: yep, but i've had idea that if python2.5 is the only python i have symlink will be there :) |
| 19:37.37 | superlinux | but there are non bootable SATA ports. and they are not used |
| 19:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: I think you might file a bug. |
| 19:37.58 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: you cannot prevent it from clobbering your MBR. but you can reinstall grub there with the debian install CD. |
| 19:38.00 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:38.17 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: just boot the CD and use rescue mode. reinstalling the bootloader will eventually be one of the options. |
| 19:38.28 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, do you think it deserves???? |
| 19:38.32 | Squawk | SerajewelKS, yeah I've done it before, just wondering if a quick copy of the mbr using dd might be quicker, but I'm not 100% certain if thats enough |
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| 19:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Consistent, reproducable, wrong...yes! |
| 19:38.56 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: restoring the MBR using dd or reinstalling grub there will be approximately equal-effort tasks |
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| 19:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Include hardware details (make & model, chipset). |
| 19:39.27 | Squawk | SerajewelKS, true enough. Bah, hate installing windows, someone prod adobe and get lightroom for linux |
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| 19:39.29 | CoolCold | SerajewelKS, Vasistha thanks a lot! |
| 19:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: dd requires a source. |
| 19:39.30 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: in fact, the rescue mode will probably be a lot easier :) |
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| 19:39.46 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: yes, and your point is? |
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| 19:39.59 | cahoot | Squawk: lightroom - photo? |
| 19:40.00 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: you might look at VirtualBox instead |
| 19:40.05 | orfix | any help please ! |
| 19:40.09 | mutable_malachi | Hey folks. After update to squeeze, my flash drive doesn't appear to have a device name. I plug it in and there's nothing up in /dev where it'd usually be. Did something change? |
| 19:40.17 | Squawk | cahoot, yeah I'm a bit of an amateur photographer |
| 19:40.22 | mutable_malachi | I would expect it to be at /dev/sdc or sdb, but it's not. |
| 19:40.31 | cahoot | Squawk: I say bibble |
| 19:40.35 | Squawk | SerajewelKS, I wondered about a virtual install, but it'#s not something I've done much of |
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| 19:40.55 | SerajewelKS | Squawk: virtualbox is quite easy to configure |
| 19:40.58 | cahoot | Squawk: native linux |
| 19:41.14 | SerajewelKS | or see what cahoot said |
| 19:41.15 | Squawk | cahoot, similar to lightroom? I'll take a peak at that. If it saves me installing windows it's a great thing |
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| 19:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: No idea, I just use a plugin. |
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| 19:42.41 | superlinux | yesterday, I lost my boot list for the sake of windows. now I was not able to restore the list. i have been using debian for years. i was not able to run udev to create me /dev entries. it needed sysfs mounted. I don't know how to run mount sysfs. do you know how? I had to re-install debian |
| 19:42.43 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: which one ? |
| 19:43.14 | Arrowmaster | judd versions aptitude |
| 19:43.15 | judd | aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4; lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; sid: 0.6.1.5-3; squeeze: 0.6.1.5-3 |
| 19:43.16 | superlinux | looks like sumthing has canged |
| 19:43.19 | superlinux | looks like sumthing has changed |
| 19:43.23 | Arrowmaster | judd versions aptitude-gtk |
| 19:43.25 | judd | aptitude-gtk -- sid: 0.6.1.5-3; squeeze: 0.6.1.5-3 |
| 19:43.29 | Arrowmaster | hot |
| 19:43.35 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: adobe-flashplugin |
| 19:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: I would much rather have something that allows me to play at 2x speed. |
| 19:43.54 | Vasistha | superlinux: uhh ... that should happen automatically. Losing a boot menu shouldn't necessitate reinstalling, but if you already have, then I guess that's done. |
| 19:44.04 | superlinux | i did do chroot using the rescue mode |
| 19:44.07 | Squawk | cahoot, bibble requires a license purchase right? I already have lightroom license |
| 19:44.11 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: it's for the internet browser i think. |
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| 19:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: Right, iceweasel. |
| 19:44.30 | cahoot | Squawk: that's right |
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| 19:44.36 | superlinux | Vasistha, true what you said |
| 19:44.48 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: i can play them on iceweasel, what i want to do is play them on vlc as well |
| 19:45.16 | Squawk | cahoot, damn, which I'd known about bibble earlier, I sorta went with the crowd on lightroom since a mate of mine had it and I loved it |
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| 19:46.46 | cahoot | Squawk: steep price |
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| 19:46.58 | superlinux | Vasistha, what i always do is keep /boot on a separate partition. now my /boot was not seen at all also inside chroot |
| 19:47.36 | superlinux | anyway, I am back on a new installtion |
| 19:47.54 | Vasistha | superlinux: well so whatever was in the past is gone. are you saying there's trouble with your new install? |
| 19:47.54 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to set the Xephyr keyboard layout? |
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| 19:48.03 | superlinux | but i don't want to be in same situation again |
| 19:48.53 | superlinux | therefore, i want the current way of re-establishing the grub list again |
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| 19:49.23 | Vasistha | superlinux: uhh ... back it up on a cd? |
| 19:49.35 | superlinux | no! |
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| 19:49.50 | superlinux | I don't need to backup my system |
| 19:50.04 | Vasistha | superlinux: you are nuts, sir |
| 19:50.27 | superlinux | it's there already. I just want to re-write my grub list again |
| 19:50.32 | Vasistha | superlinux: first you tell me that you had to reinstall, and now you are saying you don't need to back up. Do you realize how crazy that sounds? |
| 19:51.07 | superlinux | mate! my data is /home partition |
| 19:51.17 | superlinux | forget about the OS |
| 19:51.28 | Vasistha | superlinux: so back up your /boot :) |
| 19:51.53 | superlinux | i don't need to backup /boot |
| 19:52.21 | superlinux | I WANT is re-write the grub list on the MBR again |
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| 19:52.24 | superlinux | that's all |
| 19:52.33 | Vasistha | superlinux: oh! ah. grub-install |
| 19:52.36 | greycat | the "list" is not in the MBR. It's in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:52.44 | superlinux | all i used to do is.. yes that's it! |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | the part of grub that's in the MBR is different from that |
| 19:53.03 | superlinux | sorry, guys |
| 19:53.14 | superlinux | miss-expressive from me |
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| 19:53.20 | hellyeah | hey |
| 19:53.34 | hellyeah | i wonder is there a way too check ntfs partition in debian |
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| 19:53.58 | Arrowmaster | check? like check for errors? |
| 19:54.01 | gnudoll | like fsck.ntfs? |
| 19:54.06 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 19:54.15 | hellyeah | like fsck.ntfs |
| 19:54.45 | gnudoll | not sure, myself, as I don't dual boot |
| 19:54.55 | Arrowmaster | if there is its probably in ntfs-3g |
| 19:55.09 | Vasistha | hellyeah: I don't think so. Who would want to write that utility when anyone who needs it can probably just do it on windoze? |
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| 19:55.36 | hellyeah | Vasistha, |
| 19:55.39 | hellyeah | i just wonder |
| 19:55.46 | hellyeah | btw what is ntfs-3g |
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| 19:55.53 | Titan8990 | !ntfs-3g |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 19:55.54 | superlinux | Vasistha, grub-install was not able to find /dev block devices 'cos they were not there. I must run udevd to create /dev entries . by then, udev complained that sysfs is not mounted as well as /proc. i was able to mount proc, but not sysfs. |
| 19:56.03 | superlinux | so how can I mount sysfs? |
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| 19:56.29 | Vasistha | superlinux: right, this is where we started. Why don't you boot a rescue cd and to the grub-install from there? |
| 19:56.38 | Vasistha | to=do |
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| 19:57.02 | superlinux | I did use the rescue CD to tell you all what I said |
| 19:57.39 | Vasistha | superlinux: are you booted to the rescue cd now? |
| 19:57.50 | hellyeah | ntfs-3g already installed |
| 19:58.03 | superlinux | nop! I am all good, on a new installation |
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| 19:58.27 | superlinux | Vasistha, I just ask so not to do a reinstall |
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| 19:58.59 | macrobat_ | i cant ssh to my other machine, "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" i guess the ip is different than when i succeeded to ssh. do i need to add to known_hosts all the possible ip:s the machine can have? |
| 19:59.35 | greycat | macrobat_: that message is more likely to mean that the host keys (/etc/ssh/*) have changed. |
| 19:59.47 | greycat | macrobat_: are these IP addresses used by multiple systems? |
| 19:59.57 | Vasistha | superlinux: but you are not "all good" because sysfs is not mounted. Why don't you boot to the rescue cd and do grub-install from there? |
| 20:00.17 | macrobat_ | the computers get their ips from my router |
| 20:00.25 | superlinux | Vasistha, all what I said is a "WAS" in the past. |
| 20:00.28 | acemi | echo "" >~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 20:00.50 | abrotman | macrobat_: man ssh didn't help you ? |
| 20:00.52 | superlinux | so all i need is too now how to mount sysfs |
| 20:00.55 | greycat | if you've got multiple machines sharing a pool of dynamic IPs, then it's just a matter of time until you've got a different set of host keys coming from one of the IPs you talked to before.... |
| 20:00.57 | abrotman | acemi: that's a pretty poor idea |
| 20:00.58 | macrobat_ | i havent touched the remote keys |
| 20:01.03 | superlinux | so all i need is to know how to mount sysfs |
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| 20:01.48 | macrobat_ | i'm too stupid for the man page on ssh |
| 20:01.57 | abrotman | and yet .. you made it to IRC :) |
| 20:02.24 | greycat | macrobat_: on Monday you talk to host H1 on IP address A1 and it has key K1 and you record that in known_hosts. On Wednesday, host H2 has address A1 but has key K2, and that conflicts. |
| 20:02.33 | macrobat_ | i dream of ircing through tmux and ssh |
| 20:02.40 | Bohemian | how do i see what version of mysql and php i have installed? |
| 20:02.47 | greycat | dynamic IPs + Unix hosts = evil |
| 20:02.53 | macrobat_ | :( |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | Bohemian: dpkg -l '*php*' or whatever you want |
| 20:03.16 | Bohemian | thx |
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| 20:03.51 | macrobat_ | the dyndns.org adress i set up doesnt work either, it says "no route to host" |
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| 20:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat_: This should work if you use hostnames instead of IPs. |
| 20:08.11 | Bohemian | how do i exit out of emacs? |
| 20:08.16 | Bohemian | in command line |
| 20:08.27 | greycat | ctrl-X ctrl-C I think |
| 20:09.02 | innociv | What do I need in order just for compiling python? |
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| 20:09.07 | Bohemian | thx |
| 20:09.35 | macrobat_ | jhutchins_lt: how do i resolve the hostname? |
| 20:09.45 | superlinux | thnks |
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| 20:10.30 | ruoso | Did anyone ever succeeded in managing the IBM tape robot using only free software? |
| 20:10.31 | Squawk | SerajewelKS, you convinced me, I'm going to have a play with virtualbox |
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| 20:10.52 | macrobat_ | idk, is there something that would broadcast hostnames and ips and keep them up to date? avahi? |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman | ruoso: on linux or aix ? |
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| 20:11.04 | ruoso | abrotman, linuxwizard |
| 20:11.06 | ruoso | oops |
| 20:11.10 | ruoso | I meant just linux |
| 20:11.27 | Vasistha | Squawk: yeah, vbox is nice. Don't forget to install the guest additions. |
| 20:11.30 | abrotman | ruoso: i know someone that runs one .. but i think he may use AIX .. let me see if he's still around |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | or used to run one |
| 20:11.55 | Squawk | Vasistha, I can't really forget as such, I have no idea what they are until I read the documentation... However, learn by doing and all that |
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| 20:13.25 | Vasistha | Squawk: the "guest additions" are some features that one wouldn't want to go without, e.g. seamless mouse support, automatic desktop resizing (if you resize the vbox window), ability to read/write to a linux folder outside the virtual HDD, and some other stuff. |
| 20:13.45 | ga_bash | I have gcc-4.3 but I want to install gcc-.4.1 . I am able to remove 4.3 but aptitude is not able to install 4.1 |
| 20:13.57 | abrotman | ruoso: he asked me which model you're using .. |
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| 20:14.25 | ruoso | abrotman, problem is that it's not me... I'm just trying to prevent a gov sector to buy tivoli |
| 20:14.33 | ruoso | abrotman, so I don't know exactly which model it is |
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| 20:14.42 | abrotman | ruoso: he says there are tools for some of them |
| 20:14.55 | ga_bash | abrotman, I have gcc-4.3 but I want to install gcc-.4.1 . I am able to remove 4.3 but aptitude is not able to install 4.1. Please help |
| 20:15.00 | abrotman | looks at ga_bash ... |
| 20:15.06 | ga_bash | ducks |
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| 20:15.12 | abrotman | ga_bash: use a pastebin to show us |
| 20:15.18 | Squawk | Vasistha, hmm that lot sounds useful. For the moment though I'm more interested in the basics. For eg, I'm running vitualbox within debian, with the guest OS as XP. I'm going to give XP it's own partition. Should I format the partition ntfs or ext3. That kinda thing. Much reading ensues |
| 20:15.23 | themill | ga_bash: why aren't you using the nvidia packages? |
| 20:15.25 | ruoso | abrotman, in fact, if he could point me to that tools it would already be very helpfull, so I'd know how to research further |
| 20:15.42 | ga_bash | ducks again seeing themill |
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| 20:16.02 | ga_bash | themill, I am using the debian way and it asks me for gcc-4.1 |
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| 20:16.12 | abrotman | ruoso: he's looking |
| 20:16.20 | Vasistha | Squawk: you don't need to put xp's virtual hdd on a separate partition. let it sit on your ext3 data partition, and let windows format the virtual hdd ntfs |
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| 20:16.25 | abrotman | ga_bash: which version of debian? use a pastebin |
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| 20:16.36 | ga_bash | themill, but aptitude for some reason is not able to install gcc-4.1 |
| 20:16.39 | themill | ga_bash: that shouldn't be an issue though. "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gcc-4.1" |
| 20:16.41 | ga_bash | abrotman, a moment please . |
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| 20:17.05 | abrotman | ruoso: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=577&uid=ssg1S4000784 .. not open source though .. let's see if he knows of other stuff |
| 20:17.44 | ga_bash | themill, it says its installed but its not working. the binary is not in /usr/bin or in the PATH. thats strange. |
| 20:17.57 | ga_bash | themill, whereis gcc |
| 20:17.57 | ga_bash | gcc: /usr/lib/gcc /usr/libexec/gcc |
| 20:18.03 | ruoso | abrotman, but if the driver enables working out some scripts to manage the robot would be good enough I think |
| 20:18.17 | themill | ga_bash: except it would be /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 20:18.34 | Squawk | Vasistha, when I formatted the drive I reserved 50GB for a windows partition (lots of big adobe stuff going on it), I may as well use that partition. |
| 20:18.45 | ruoso | abrotman, at least tivoli wouldn't be mandatory that way |
| 20:19.13 | ga_bash | themill, abrotman http://pastebin.org/121315 |
| 20:19.22 | Vasistha | Squawk: if you insist. It's kind of silly, though ... virtualbox is smart enough to let the virtual HDD file grow as needed |
| 20:19.53 | ga_bash | themill, bang on the target !!! |
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| 20:20.32 | ga_bash | themill, I should have taken it more seriously when I read that I should change the CC environment variable to gcc-4.1 . Instead of cramming my head to install it. |
| 20:20.33 | Vasistha | Squawk: although giving it its own partition will reduce fragmentation. And I think there is a way to instruct vbox to reserve the space for the entire partition rather than growing. That might result in a slight performance boost |
| 20:20.35 | Squawk | Vasistha, well I'll format that partition as ext3 and just treat it as an additional data partition, that should work |
| 20:20.42 | abrotman | ruoso: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=577&uid=ssg1S4000787 |
| 20:20.54 | Vasistha | Squawk: yeah, I think that's the best way to go. |
| 20:20.56 | ga_bash | themill, thanks. I learnt this now. thanks again. |
| 20:21.07 | themill | ga_bash: you still should use the debian packages. |
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| 20:21.18 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: xen and kvm have that feature. I don't think vbox does though |
| 20:21.24 | ga_bash | themill, I am trying to use the debian packages only. |
| 20:21.42 | themill | ga_bash: they do all this for you. No need to mess around with CC etc. |
| 20:21.57 | ga_bash | themill, the nvidia-kernel-module needs to compile with the same version of gcc as the rule applies. so I needed 4.1 |
| 20:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: What if a program checks for disk space before it writes? |
| 20:22.32 | themill | ga_bash: but this is all automated. You don't need to worry your pretty little head about it |
| 20:22.46 | ruoso | abrotman, thanks... that's a good starting point... Now I just need to find out if any free backup software knows how to talk with this driver |
| 20:22.48 | ga_bash | themill, even the debian way asked me to get 4.1 |
| 20:23.09 | ga_bash | wants to thank abrotman for looking into the matter. |
| 20:23.18 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: why are you asking me this? vbox will tell the program that there is a 50 gb partition and take the space as needed. |
| 20:23.25 | themill | ga_bash: no, apt just installed gcc-4.1 for you. You had to do absolutely nothing. |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | ruoso: if you want to continue this, we can talk in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:23.49 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: so vbox will report the maximum space available, but only allocate as needed? |
| 20:23.50 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: those guys at sun aren't stupid. they designed vbox well. it works as you would hope it would |
| 20:23.51 | ga_bash | themill, it was already installed. I was unaware of its path /usr/bin/gcc-version |
| 20:23.56 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: exactly |
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| 20:24.26 | ga_bash | themill, but I think I need only the right compiler to compile the future modules. |
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| 20:24.50 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: I'm not sure what would happen if your ext3 partition ran out of space for the virtual hdd as it was writing. There would surely be some kind of error. |
| 20:24.58 | Primer | mount -o remount,rw / <-- fails when / is on xfs on Lenny. Anyone have any thoughts about this? |
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| 20:25.17 | Vasistha | Squawk: ah, you might want to declare the ntfs partition as somewhat less than 50 gb because there's bound to be a little overheard |
| 20:25.23 | ga_bash | themill, thanks a lot. |
| 20:25.28 | themill | np |
| 20:25.29 | Primer | strace suggests it's trying to open /sbin/mount.xfs, but I can't find any package that provides this file |
| 20:25.38 | Vasistha | Squawk: s/overheard/overhead/ |
| 20:25.40 | innociv | Oh my god i am hating godaddy's nameserver manager so much |
| 20:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: I'm sure there's a way to mess things up fairly seriously. |
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| 20:26.10 | jhamlin | Hi folks. I'm trying to pick out a laptop and am wondering if I should go with 32 or 64 bit. Are there disadvantages to 64 bit if I'm only going to run debian (+ vbox/xp)? |
| 20:26.30 | macrobat_ | i can happily ssh now, the remote machine had changed network interface. thanks for the support |
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| 20:26.48 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: if your objective is to break things, your imagination and boldness are your only limitations |
| 20:27.11 | Squawk | Vasistha, will do, thanks |
| 20:27.13 | greycat | breaking things doesn't even require boldness, if incompetence is sufficiently high |
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| 20:27.26 | Vasistha | hahaha |
| 20:28.23 | Vasistha | jhamlin: in the past there have been some disadvantages to 64 bit because some device drivers and/or software had not been updated to 64 bit versions. I'm not sure what the status of things are nowadays; I'm sure things have improved, but I don't know if it's recommendable for the typical user yet |
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| 20:29.07 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: have you considered an occupation in quality assurance? |
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| 20:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: That's what my wife does. |
| 20:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 20:32.51 | abrotman | not rescued ? |
| 20:32.58 | abrotman | some people never learn :) |
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| 20:34.13 | jhutchins_lt | My mom says I've been taking things apart since I was two, and putting them back together since I was four. She predicts I will always be two years behind :) |
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| 20:35.11 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I suppose the saying is "destroyed" because if you get away with it, you don't really learn. |
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| 20:36.48 | j00bar | i'm trying to write an automated build script for a custom .deb package, and its crapping out because the process is not controlled by a tty |
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| 20:37.24 | mrbnet | Is it possible to route different trunks through different network interfaces within asterisks config? or would I need to utilize static routes for this? |
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| 20:41.53 | gnudoll | Well, I just bought a belkin f5d9010 wifi card so I can drop the cat5 on this box |
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| 20:42.54 | gnudoll | From what I have heard this card is not that bad to install under Lenny? |
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| 20:44.17 | Vasistha | !tell gnudoll -about wireless |
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| 20:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | mrbnet: That would be a question for #asterisk |
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| 20:45.56 | gnudoll | I know about wireless |
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| 20:48.04 | gnudoll | I was wondering if anyone had experience with this particular card is all |
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| 20:48.41 | Vasistha | gnudoll: google is probably a better place to consult. You're unlikely to find someone in-chan who has that particular card (although it happens occasionally) |
| 20:48.44 | mrbnet | jhutchins_lt: Thanks for reminding me which channel I am in, oops.... |
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| 20:50.05 | Vasistha | gnudoll: that said, if you figure out what radio is in the card, you're much more likely to find someone in-chan with a similar radio -- or someone who has experience helping others get a card with a similar radio working |
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| 20:52.53 | yo_rmn | I hav squeeze and my nautilus lloks like a geek's dream, no buttons, only menubar. how do I go to "ubuntu-like"? xcuse my english |
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| 20:53.20 | abrotman | yo_rmn: you'd have to give us screenshots of what you have and what you want |
| 20:53.26 | abrotman | not everyone has used ubuntu |
| 20:53.44 | yo_rmn | ok I'll go do tht now |
| 20:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | mrbnet: Didn't mean to be unfriendly, just more likely to get an answer there. |
| 20:54.19 | Vasistha | yo_rmn: I must caution you that, if making a menu or toolbar appear is giving you difficulty, running squeeze may not be a good idea for you. |
| 20:54.23 | yo_rmn | I stiil dont think a scrrenshot is necessary I wnt buttons, icons u see? |
| 20:54.38 | macrobat_ | yo_rmn: it's a gconf setting |
| 20:54.38 | abrotman | yo_rmn: i'd at least like to see what you have now |
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| 20:54.58 | yo_rmn | ok I'll show u :S |
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| 20:58.28 | gnudoll | Vasistha: I have already googled. I just bought this card off of ebay, so I can't exactly do a lspci on it until I get the thing in hand. . . |
| 20:59.04 | gnudoll | roumor has it that it is the rt2600 chipset, which is in the kernel nowadays |
| 20:59.59 | Vasistha | gnudoll: oh. I guess there's not much to do just now but wait until it arrives. |
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| 21:00.12 | yo_rmn | abrotman , here u go, so I just set in gconf editor, along woth open in same Window http://imagebin.org/90053http://imagebin.org/90053 |
| 21:00.30 | gnudoll | yeah, I was gathering info is all |
| 21:00.33 | Vasistha | gnudoll: you made sure it was compatible with your lappy, right? |
| 21:01.07 | gnudoll | PCMCIA, and cardbus are both supported on this lappy |
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| 21:01.39 | gnudoll | only issue would be OS related, which is why I googled it before spending the $10 |
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| 21:01.55 | gnudoll | that I can think of, anyway |
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| 21:02.39 | gnudoll | I'm getting the cheap parts together for this box, while I try and save up the cash for a new battery |
| 21:03.36 | macrobat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.45 | abrotman | yo_rmn: and you want the navigation buttons in the nautilus window ? |
| 21:04.04 | rgr | just to double check from the horses mouth as it were : If I install from a debian squeeze cd, it wont wipe the existing XP (obviously assuming I repartitin properly) and grub will still give me the XP option at boot? (second laptop with xp just arrived). |
| 21:04.04 | gnudoll | I have a 100G HDD I'm gonna rob out of a Mac mini to throw in here, and I'll be wanting to have gotten the Wifi card up at least once before I do |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | rgr: i've done it that way many times |
| 21:04.46 | rgr | thanks. any "gotchas" with thinkpads and the "restore windows" partition? |
| 21:05.29 | abrotman | dunno .. never kept mine :) |
| 21:05.30 | rgr | I cant remember, does the installer allow partition resize? or should I do that with a live cd first? |
| 21:05.44 | emerica | Trying to install a areca 1280 ml into a msi big bang trinergy, with the card installed it hangs about 4-5 seconds in around usb and firewire, if i disable usb and firewire i get " arcmsr0 abort device command of scsi id = 0 lun 0" then hangs indefinitley |
| 21:06.03 | rgr | you never kept the restore partition? But you did keep the exsiting windows? |
| 21:06.37 | amphi | rgr: that's the first thing to be fdisked away ;) |
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| 21:07.11 | macrobat_ | why can't i have a gnome-panel unexpanded to the right (lenny)? |
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| 21:07.22 | gnudoll | amphi: you beat me to saying that. . . |
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| 21:08.23 | abrotman | rgr: i make the restore DVDs |
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| 21:09.07 | abrotman | rgr: FWIW .. on my new laptop, i also removed the special win7 boot partition, then moved win7 toward the front, then partitioned the rest as i wanted |
| 21:09.13 | Vasistha | macrobat_: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org unless this is specific to debian-stable |
| 21:09.28 | rgr | this is an oldish t60 with xp on it. no iwn 7 etc |
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| 21:09.57 | gnudoll | T60. . . Oldish. . . |
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| 21:10.14 | gnudoll | and to think, I'm still on a T21 |
| 21:10.15 | data | hi, i tried an upgrade (on ubuntu, but they at a loss as well as me), but i got: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on already unpacked 'initramfs-tools'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details." |
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| 21:10.25 | rgr | well it is compared to most HW buyers .... finally putting my X30 out to grass -- it will be a web server!!!!!!!! |
| 21:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | data: Why would we know anything about upgrading ubuntu? |
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| 21:10.46 | rgr | the speed increae with debian should be quite something. |
| 21:10.55 | data | jhutchins_lt: rather about how to solve that error in general on debian |
| 21:10.56 | Vasistha | data: if they are at a loss, we will be at a bigger loss. we have no idea how to help you with ubuntu here. |
| 21:11.07 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: please. I can guess why. |
| 21:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | data: Simple: Install debian. If you still have the error, get back to us. |
| 21:11.34 | abrotman | data: this channel is not for Ubuntu support, please go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:11.44 | jhutchins_lt | Or #centos for that matter. |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | don't suggest that |
| 21:11.56 | karlpinc | rgr: Yes. But more ram is always better. |
| 21:11.59 | data | ... ok, i thought, as it was a more general aptitude problem, you might be the right guys to ask. guess not |
| 21:12.02 | gnudoll | jhutchins_lt: Interesting. . . I say the same thing to Windoze users |
| 21:12.04 | macrobat_ | data: the error msg even says "please" |
| 21:12.07 | rgr | data: they are picky here. Try #linux. |
| 21:12.08 | abrotman | data: they provided your aptitude .. we did not |
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| 21:12.24 | abrotman | rgr: we're not picky .. that is the channel rule |
| 21:12.27 | simonrvn | debian != ubuntu |
| 21:12.36 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Yeah, sorry, #centos would be rude. |
| 21:12.42 | gnudoll | heya simon! |
| 21:12.51 | rgr | simonrvn: yes, we know. Thanks for your sixpence too. I think data got the idea. |
| 21:12.54 | karlpinc | rgr: It's not picky so much as the difference between a working computer and a brick can be a small matter. And nobody wants to keep up on the differences. |
| 21:13.01 | rgr | sure. |
| 21:13.04 | abrotman | and now we all move on ... |
| 21:13.30 | data | same packaging system, but i guess your are a little... touchy. see thanks anyway |
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| 21:13.42 | simonrvn | "you're" |
| 21:13.44 | rgr | data: dsame sw in a lot of cases too. Ask in #linux. |
| 21:13.51 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 21:14.05 | simonrvn | meh. where's datase when you want him? |
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| 21:14.20 | themill | rgr: if you're so keen to help and are convinced that it's all the same, please do so in #ubuntu. |
| 21:15.10 | gnudoll | is suspecting that there has been a lot of cross-distro traffic in here. . . |
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| 21:15.25 | simonrvn | gnudoll: you would be correct |
| 21:15.26 | rgr | This group has gone to the dogs. See ya. if you can help do so. its like a bunch of yapping hyenas at times trying to be first to bully someout out of it. |
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| 21:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | gnudoll: Bit of a plage lately. |
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| 21:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | gnudoll: There are rumors that there is an irc client that ubuntu distrubtes pre-configured to join #debian. |
| 21:16.47 | Vasistha | gnudoll: it's hard for people to understand, until you struggle for 45 minutes to help someone, only to discover that they are running ubuntu and are encountering an ubuntu bug that doesn't exist in debian |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | could we please move on to people that actually need help? |
| 21:17.02 | abrotman | with Debian .. |
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| 21:17.32 | simonrvn | many distros that get packages from debian, or used to, do that. they don't bother changing the defaults set by the *debian* maintainer in question. |
| 21:17.38 | simonrvn | do/did |
| 21:17.50 | simonrvn | it's been like that since knoppix first released ... |
| 21:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Was that the first big debian branch-off? |
| 21:18.17 | gnudoll | sad, really |
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| 21:18.37 | simonrvn | the first one that mattered to the traffic in here |
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| 21:19.35 | gnudoll | so are there any active problems working at the moment? |
| 21:19.44 | simonrvn | you can search dpkg for the various knoppix factoids |
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| 21:22.17 | gnudoll | can someone remind me of how to add a device to my ALSA list? |
| 21:22.44 | valdyn | gnudoll: why would you want to do that? |
| 21:22.45 | gnudoll | I had no audio until I rolled my own kernel with the support built in |
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| 21:23.17 | gnudoll | off of the basic install in Lennyr4 |
| 21:24.07 | Vasistha | gnudoll: it's surprising that you would have had to roll a kernel for audio support on a thinkpad ... I'd be inclined to try and figure out if there's a module you could have modprobe's |
| 21:24.09 | gnudoll | and rolling the kernel takes about 75~80 mins on this lappy |
| 21:24.27 | valdyn | gnudoll: theres newer kernel at backports.org too |
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| 21:24.50 | gnudoll | Oh, I got the one from kernel.org |
| 21:24.59 | gnudoll | 2.6.33.1 |
| 21:25.26 | Vasistha | I remember I used to have to roll my own kernel because of ... what was the reason ... it was a problem with booting, or starting the X server or something, the touchpad wouldn't work because of some ... firmware bug with that particular touchpad |
| 21:25.47 | gnudoll | A good bit different from the 1.2.13 that was my first |
| 21:26.55 | gnudoll | touchpad? My T21 has a trackpoint. The problem with booting has been starting X because the savage drive is borked at 24bpp |
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| 21:28.04 | gnudoll | getting X to work reliably was a matter of editing the xorg.conf file to comment out the 24bpp section |
| 21:28.36 | Vasistha | gnudoll: ah, I remember having troubles with display depth, too. those were rough times. and apic. and sound. man, so many things were f'd up with that old lappy. |
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| 21:29.33 | gnudoll | well, sound is not so f'd up in this box. . . There is support for thesound chipset, and has been for a long time |
| 21:31.06 | gnudoll | whan I get the hardware set up the way I want (the add ons I want) I'll likely be baking a new kernel to take out the parts that I do not ned |
| 21:31.12 | gnudoll | need |
| 21:31.49 | ScottG489 | Is there a way to suspend my computer and in addition to leaving my RAM on, leave other components on. For example, if I wanted to suspend and leave one of my USB ports on so I could charge something from it. |
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| 21:31.56 | gnudoll | I also want to see if I can force this thing up to a Gig of RAM |
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| 21:32.31 | valdyn | gnudoll: the chipset specs dont tell you? |
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| 21:33.02 | gnudoll | Online sources say Max 512Mb |
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| 21:34.56 | Da_Wrecka | gnudoll: The specs for my laptop here, an Inspiron 1000, say the max is 512MB. |
| 21:35.04 | Da_Wrecka | Guess how much RAM I'm running right now. |
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| 21:35.58 | Da_Wrecka | I've still not found anything that tells me what the limit REALLY is. |
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| 21:36.34 | KB1JWQ | Welcome to #debian, Da_Wrecka. Have you tried Crucial's tool? |
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| 21:36.55 | Da_Wrecka | Pretty sure I did, though I don't recall what it told me. |
| 21:36.57 | Da_Wrecka | I'll do that now |
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| 21:37.00 | gnudoll | KB1JWQ: url? |
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| 21:37.14 | KB1JWQ | Welcome to #debian, gnudoll. www.crucial.com |
| 21:37.15 | abrotman | gnudoll: crucial.com ? |
| 21:37.34 | gnudoll | So the "scan my system? |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | gnudoll: they have a database of what it should support |
| 21:37.52 | Da_Wrecka | Not seeing the tool on my homepage |
| 21:37.55 | KB1JWQ | Welcome to #debian, gnudoll. Yes, or you can select it from dropdowns. |
| 21:37.59 | Da_Wrecka | err, on the Crucial homepage rather |
| 21:38.00 | amphi | Da_Wrecka: is it an intel chipset? |
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| 21:38.31 | amphi | Da_Wrecka: if so, you should be able to find out from intel's site |
| 21:38.41 | Da_Wrecka | 40 USD for a 1GB PC2700 stick? Damn. Wonder if the American site will ship to the UK... |
| 21:38.57 | amphi | Da_Wrecka: for instance, lenovo says 4GB is the max I can put in this laptop, but according to intel, it |
| 21:39.07 | amphi | er, it's 8GB |
| 21:39.16 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: have you looked at dmidecode ? |
| 21:39.24 | amphi | assuming you feel like paying for two 4GB modules |
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| 21:39.26 | Da_Wrecka | Crucial's website says the limit of RAM for my Dell laptop is 512MB |
| 21:39.31 | Da_Wrecka | I can tell you right now, that's bullshit |
| 21:39.39 | Da_Wrecka | I'm running 768MB right now. |
| 21:40.26 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: yeah, when it comes to going off-spec, the community is the best resource. You might look at linux-laptops.net or something and see if you can find other people with similar laptops who have found ways to push the limit |
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| 21:40.35 | Da_Wrecka | is there a dmidecode for cygwin? I've not got Debian on this laptop yet. |
| 21:40.44 | Da_Wrecka | (Been trying to figure out the best way to back the bastard up) |
| 21:41.09 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: well 768 MB is sufficient for a debian system, so get installing |
| 21:41.42 | Da_Wrecka | Yeah, my point is that just because the manufacturer says that you can only install X megabytes of RAM, doesn't mean you can trust them. |
| 21:41.46 | Da_Wrecka | This system right now is proof of that |
| 21:42.16 | Malmis | what is the best mailserver to set up in debian? that has a nice how to page (that works) to follow? =) |
| 21:42.17 | gnudoll | Yeah, that is why IO was going to try and throw a pair of 512s in |
| 21:42.35 | Da_Wrecka | If you've got the 512s already, then there's no reason not to |
| 21:42.43 | wols | Malmis: usually exim or postfix. exim is already installed |
| 21:43.02 | Malmis | well, not anymore.. |
| 21:43.09 | Da_Wrecka | I mean, I'm pretty certain it's impossible to damage a system physically, just by correctly-installing more RAM than the chipset can recognise |
| 21:43.18 | Malmis | since it was f***ed up.. |
| 21:43.35 | Da_Wrecka | So if you have the 512MB sticks available, whack those bastards in and see if it works. |
| 21:43.37 | Da_Wrecka | If it doesn't, oh well |
| 21:43.41 | orfix | can we play videos on console ? something more decent than ascii art ? |
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| 21:44.10 | adb | vlc -nox |
| 21:44.37 | gnudoll | <giggle> the scanner at crucial is a windows executable. . . |
| 21:44.46 | Vasistha | orfix: sure, mplayer and vlc can both do that I think |
| 21:45.08 | fantasticulous | hey i have an usb stick and i'd like to install debian using that |
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| 21:45.36 | fantasticulous | erm... how do i do that |
| 21:45.38 | gnudoll | fantasticulous: can your system boot from usb? |
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| 21:45.41 | Vasistha | fantasticulous: you mean you have a computer that has no cd drive and you want to install debian on that computer using a bootable usb stick? |
| 21:45.53 | abrotman | !tell fantasticulous about usb install |
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| 21:46.04 | fantasticulous | my system can boot from usb. i have a cd drive but i dont' want to use a cd :P |
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| 21:46.28 | Da_Wrecka | Maybe tomorrow, I'll just copy all of the personal files from my hard disk to somewhere else and flatten the hard drive. If Debian proves to be utterly useless to me, (as it has on my other laptop, though for reasons which won't apply on this one) I can just reinstall Windows. |
| 21:46.39 | orfix | adb: thanks, but i have a problem vlc doesn't work for me :( |
| 21:46.48 | fantasticulous | just got fed up with ubuntu. it has too many bugs |
| 21:46.50 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: why not shrink the partition and do a dual boot? |
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| 21:47.01 | Da_Wrecka | That could work too |
| 21:47.06 | orfix | Vasistha: can you give me the options that i have to pass to mplayer ? thanks |
| 21:47.13 | Da_Wrecka | I'd need to free up a lot of space though |
| 21:47.15 | abrotman | fantasticulous: see what the bot told you in msg |
| 21:47.24 | fantasticulous | i did |
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| 21:47.35 | Da_Wrecka | But I've got two partitions on this drive I'm not sure about. |
| 21:47.36 | fantasticulous | i am looking at the article. thanks |
| 21:47.45 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: you'll just need to defrag your windows partition, then the debian installer can probably resize it for you |
| 21:47.47 | iwkse | hi, i'm trying to change the mouse cursor theme with sudo update-alternatives âconfig x-cursor-theme but restarting the X server it doesn't change. is this the right way of changing it? |
| 21:47.58 | Da_Wrecka | There's a 16MB "EISA configuration" partition, and 2GB FAT32 "Unknown partition" |
| 21:48.06 | Vasistha | orfix: uhm ... I don't know that there are any special params. Just run mplayer videofile.mpg or whatever |
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| 21:48.10 | gnudoll | abrotman: is there a way to send that info to yourself? |
| 21:48.17 | Titan8990 | iwkse: that may not be honored by your DE. which are you using? |
| 21:48.19 | Da_Wrecka | Vasistha: I've got something like 8GB of free space on the Windows partition |
| 21:48.22 | gnudoll | something like !tell me? |
| 21:48.23 | newbie | ciao |
| 21:48.26 | iwkse | Titan8990: openbox |
| 21:48.30 | newbie | !list |
| 21:48.30 | Da_Wrecka | Correction; 10GB |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | newbie: VATTENE VIA |
| 21:48.31 | Vasistha | !tell gnudoll about msg the bot |
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| 21:48.44 | Da_Wrecka | I need to clear some space, then defrag, before I can resize the partition |
| 21:48.52 | Da_Wrecka | And I'll want to back up the important stuff first anyway |
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| 21:49.05 | Titan8990 | iwkse: I would expect that to if anything. if you do update-alternatives --list x-cursor-theme; does it show that you have the one you want selected |
| 21:49.06 | Da_Wrecka | Wonder if they'd fit on a DVD... |
| 21:49.10 | abrotman | gnudoll: /msg dpkg foo |
| 21:49.34 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: 8 GB is not that much space, it would be nice to have more for your debian install |
| 21:49.38 | Da_Wrecka | I'd just whack in the spare 40GB hard drive I have, but I wouldn't be able to get it back out easily. |
| 21:49.59 | iwkse | Titan8990: yes it's showing them |
| 21:50.02 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: although 8 GB will be enough for a while, certainly. But it will run out eventually. |
| 21:50.07 | gnudoll | Ahh, thanks. That will likely help me avoid asking FAQ |
| 21:50.07 | Da_Wrecka | Instead of using a cradle of some description, Dell just super-glued some plastic sheet to the bottom of the drive with a tab you pull on to get the drive out. |
| 21:50.22 | Da_Wrecka | Which is a pain in the ass. |
| 21:50.51 | Titan8990 | iwkse: if you do --config, does it show the correct one selected? |
| 21:51.00 | iwkse | Titan8990: yes |
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| 21:51.36 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: charming. your descriptions do well to reinforce my strong aversion to dells |
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| 21:52.07 | gnudoll | Da_Wrecka: use a bit of packing tape and fold over the last third of it so you have two sections: one with adhesive, and one double thick |
| 21:52.25 | Titan8990 | iwkse: then I can only assume that openbox ignores it and has its own method of changing cursor themes.... |
| 21:52.31 | gnudoll | you are pulling straight out, so it should hold fine |
| 21:52.33 | Da_Wrecka | Vasistha: Eh, I can't really complain, I got this thing for free |
| 21:52.38 | Vasistha | gnudoll: keep in mind that dpkg will only msg you if you are in-chan. If for some reason you want to msg dpkg but not be in #debian there's a #debian-bots chan you can join instead |
| 21:52.57 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: that's how it is with dells, isn't it |
| 21:53.05 | Da_Wrecka | My mother upgraded her laptop, although she got another Dell for some reason. |
| 21:53.09 | iwkse | Titan8990: that's the issue, openbox doesnt have it's own way of changing it |
| 21:53.16 | Da_Wrecka | So I swapped her my old DS phat for her old Inspiron 1000 |
| 21:53.18 | gnudoll | is trying to think of a reason to not want to be in #debian |
| 21:53.39 | Da_Wrecka | Installed some more RAM and it runs like... Well okay, it still runs like shit, but not as badly |
| 21:53.43 | Vasistha | gnudoll: it can be a distraction if you are trying to do something else but have a quick question for dpkg |
| 21:54.18 | Titan8990 | iwkse: do you know if openbox allows for cursor changes? |
| 21:54.26 | abrotman | gnudoll: if you really want, you can get a copy of the factoid DB and query it yourself |
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| 21:54.52 | gnudoll | is that not the reason for multiple desktops? so you don't get distracted when you are doing research? |
| 21:55.08 | Titan8990 | iwkse: actually, it looks like it does have its own method: http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/#Mousethemes |
| 21:55.23 | Vasistha | gnudoll: that's a good use for multiple desktops, sure. but it also depends on strong willpower! |
| 21:55.52 | iwkse | Titan8990: that's debian specific |
| 21:56.06 | gnudoll | when I get tied up in a problem I find no trouble focusing on it. . . |
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| 21:56.47 | themill | oobe: please stop adding crap to dpkg. There's already enough junk in its database without you adding more stuff to it. |
| 21:56.53 | Titan8990 | iwkse: actually, that guide says its ubuntu specific but I would find it unlikely that those types of configurations differ |
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| 21:57.27 | iwkse | Titan8990: i've asked in #openbox channel too, and they said openbox just ignore the mouse pointer |
| 21:57.42 | Titan8990 | iwkse: ah, then your probably stuck with what you got |
| 21:57.58 | Titan8990 | if you want to continue to use openbox atleast.. |
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| 21:58.37 | iwkse | Titan8990: ignore it means it doesn't change it but let X for it |
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| 21:59.04 | gnudoll | and having been with Linux |
| 21:59.18 | gnudoll | that was not the backspace. . . |
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| 21:59.58 | Titan8990 | iwkse: yes, well, that guide does appear to change the X configuration. I am not sure why update-alternatives did not work for this though |
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| 22:00.14 | Titan8990 | iwkse: I would give that guide a try, making the configuration changes in your home directory |
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| 22:01.15 | iwkse | Titan8990: yes i'll try in some ways |
| 22:01.27 | Titan8990 | iwkse: good luck |
| 22:01.36 | iwkse | Titan8990: thx |
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| 22:13.47 | ircDon | Hey, some xorg and gnome stuff flowed into Sid x86 today (my xorg was held back for a while due fglrx depend which got updated today) - now my fonts are all fuzzy. Its possible that I hit my head and can't see straight but I am pretty sure something changed either in X or GNOME. Anyone else seeing this? |
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| 22:18.30 | dany_ | hi all |
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| 22:18.46 | dany_ | do u know how can I get the chronology bash info? |
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| 22:19.12 | Titan8990 | dany_: history? |
| 22:19.32 | dany_ | Titan8990: yep |
| 22:19.33 | dany_ | thx |
| 22:19.47 | dany_ | Titan8990: is there a file whre are stored these info, right? |
| 22:20.02 | azeem_ | ~/.bash_history |
| 22:21.11 | dany_ | azeem_: there isn't |
| 22:21.33 | hideo | it's a hidden file in case you use a stupid GUI |
| 22:21.36 | azeem_ | then maybe you haven't logged out properly yet |
| 22:22.02 | dany_ | azeem_: logged out? why? |
| 22:22.16 | azeem_ | dany_: I believe that's when bash writes the file |
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| 22:22.29 | azeem_ | dany_: what does "ls -l ~/.bash_history" say? |
| 22:22.41 | dany_ | azeem_: no results |
| 22:22.44 | Titan8990 | dany_: history -w |
| 22:22.50 | dany_ | it's a minimal version of debian |
| 22:22.50 | Titan8990 | dany_: cat ~/.bash_history |
| 22:22.58 | azeem_ | dany_: eh? |
| 22:23.03 | Titan8990 | dany_: are you sure your using bash? |
| 22:23.35 | dany_ | Titan8990: how can I became sure of using it? is there a command? |
| 22:23.42 | dany_ | azeem_: what? |
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| 22:23.55 | azeem_ | echo $SHELL |
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| 22:24.04 | PeterSP | how do I remove a package without replacing it if something depends on it? |
| 22:24.08 | Arrowmaster | define 'minimal version of debian' |
| 22:24.21 | azeem_ | PeterSP: you can't |
| 22:24.22 | PeterSP | (A replacement is already installed) |
| 22:24.22 | dany_ | azeem_: yes /bin/bash |
| 22:24.22 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: you remove what depends on it |
| 22:24.43 | azeem_ | PeterSP: look into equivs |
| 22:24.43 | PeterSP | Titan8990, your solution is impossible |
| 22:24.45 | dany_ | Arrowmaster: I have no X |
| 22:24.49 | PeterSP | package in question is linux-image |
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| 22:25.02 | PeterSP | system contains several linux-image |
| 22:25.18 | azeem_ | PeterSP: you can easily remove all but one |
| 22:25.21 | Arrowmaster | dany_: i wouldnt call that a 'minimal version of debian' thats more like the most commonly used debian setup |
| 22:25.26 | PeterSP | azeem_, APT won't let me |
| 22:25.31 | dany_ | Arrowmaster: ok :)) |
| 22:25.32 | azeem_ | PeterSP: pastebin the full output |
| 22:25.35 | PeterSP | ok |
| 22:25.40 | azeem_ | !paste |
| 22:25.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 22:26.10 | PeterSP | http://pastebin.com/EgxheerD |
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| 22:26.56 | hideo | dany_: [ -e ~/.bash_history ] ; echo $? |
| 22:27.23 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: linux-image-2.6-amd64 is a metapackage, it doesn't contain anything and is safe to remove if you are also removing the package its linked to |
| 22:27.38 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 22:27.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:27.57 | PeterSP | oh |
| 22:27.58 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: .22? |
| 22:28.02 | PeterSP | I can safely remove the metapackages |
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| 22:28.06 | azeem_ | PeterSP: what does dpkg -l | grep linux-image say? |
| 22:28.09 | PeterSP | I didn't know that worked that way O_o |
| 22:28.25 | PeterSP | it works now |
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| 22:28.30 | PeterSP | thanks Titan8990 |
| 22:28.34 | dany_ | hideo: now I'll try it |
| 22:28.39 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: you will want it there if you plan to use the debian kernel... otherwise you will not get a new kernel in version upgrades |
| 22:28.41 | PeterSP | The system doesn't think it depends on kernel lol |
| 22:28.50 | PeterSP | Titan8990, oh I'm installing it momentarily |
| 22:28.53 | PeterSP | once I have enough space xD |
| 22:29.20 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: where did you get the .22 kernel? |
| 22:29.26 | dany_ | hideo: I'm using root |
| 22:29.27 | PeterSP | This is an oold system |
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| 22:29.35 | Titan8990 | PeterSP: etch? |
| 22:29.38 | PeterSP | lenny |
| 22:29.44 | PeterSP | but from the days etch was stable |
| 22:29.47 | PeterSP | and lenny was testing |
| 22:30.06 | PeterSP | it runs a special kernel I modified to avoid the vmsplice vulnerability |
| 22:30.13 | PeterSP | because lenny wasn't being patched xD |
| 22:30.14 | hideo | dany_: it should work regardless, i.e. if you're looking for the root's history |
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| 22:30.41 | dany_ | hideo: maybe it's this.. what's the home of root? I have another keymap and I don't know how to type ~ with it |
| 22:30.57 | hideo | dany_: home of root is /root |
| 22:31.08 | dany_ | hideo: ok thx |
| 22:31.37 | dany_ | hideo: it's ok then. There is that file |
| 22:31.40 | dany_ | thanks all |
| 22:32.40 | Arrowmaster | PeterSP: so you are trying to remove the kernel then install a new one because you dont have enough space to install the new one then remove the old one? |
| 22:32.50 | PeterSP | Arrowmaster, I had several kernels |
| 22:33.05 | PeterSP | I was removing 2 of them to install a new one to stop using the current one |
| 22:33.26 | azeem_ | PeterSP: are you removing the modules as well? |
| 22:33.39 | PeterSP | I don't care about the modules <_< |
| 22:33.52 | PeterSP | I now have 2.6.26 \o/ |
| 22:33.54 | PeterSP | thanks guys |
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| 22:34.18 | PeterSP | grub chooses the first option by default yes? |
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| 22:34.37 | PeterSP | oh wait |
| 22:34.38 | Vasistha | PeterSP: it can be configured in different ways |
| 22:34.43 | PeterSP | it's set to in the file |
| 22:34.45 | PeterSP | and I skipped that bit |
| 22:34.56 | Vasistha | is there a way to disable alt+f3 or ctrl+alt+f3 console switching? |
| 22:35.09 | Arrowmaster | yes, although the 2.6.32-trunk kernel seems to mess up grubs ordering |
| 22:35.16 | PeterSP | proceeds to reboot |
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| 22:35.54 | Arrowmaster | Vasistha: i think theres an xorg.conf option to disable the ctrl-alt-f# switching while in X |
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| 22:38.33 | cristi8 | if u disable ctrl-alt-f# from X, than if a user locks the screen, and root comes along and wants to use the computer.. he can't? |
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| 22:50.21 | karter | i installed python2.6 (from squeeze) - but it still says 2.5 |
| 22:50.24 | karter | any ideas? |
| 22:50.40 | f00bar80 | is there no way to get trixbox working in debian lenny ? |
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| 22:52.45 | dany_ | hi all |
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| 22:53.12 | azeem_ | karter: what is "it"? |
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| 22:53.15 | dany_ | I don't have the X environment, can you suggest me a good text editor to install? |
| 22:53.22 | hideo | vim |
| 22:53.24 | azeem_ | dany_: vim or emacs |
| 22:53.31 | azeem_ | dany_: nano should already be instaled |
| 22:53.40 | dany_ | azeem_: ok thanks :)) |
| 22:54.01 | hideo | if you never used it before, I wouldn't suggest vim though |
| 22:54.07 | karter | ?? |
| 22:54.19 | azeem_ | karter: you said "but it still says 2.5" |
| 22:54.25 | azeem_ | I was wondering what "it" is |
| 22:54.27 | karter | it = python --version |
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| 22:54.37 | azeem_ | karter: run python2.6 --version |
| 22:54.41 | dany_ | hideo: I used long time ago |
| 22:55.10 | hideo | dany_: cool, then you should know how to save a file and exit at least =) |
| 22:55.13 | karter | azeem_: you are too good thanks!! |
| 22:55.28 | dany_ | hideo: ahah yes :P |
| 22:56.07 | Vasistha | dany_: nano |
| 22:56.29 | dany_ | Vasistha: okk |
| 22:58.56 | f00bar80 | is there a way to get trixbox working in debian lenny ? |
| 23:00.02 | sll | well I installed grub2 and all fine |
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| 23:21.36 | nido_ | Hi all. Dispite usually being a watchful sysadmin, today i accidentally did "chown -R nido:nido /" on my home server. And I think need some help in fixing this. I'm not local to the box; i can change the sshd_config to allow root login, but I can't become root from an ssh-session because of a gid error (probably related to /etc/shadow) |
| 23:21.50 | nido_ | as nido I can't chown things to root either. Any ideas? |
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| 23:22.26 | dondelelcaro | nido_: do you have any root shells running? do you have a remote serial console? |
| 23:22.40 | dondelelcaro | (and let this be a lesson to you on why you *NEVER* use chown -R) |
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| 23:23.04 | shin | hi all |
| 23:23.05 | nido_ | dondelelcaro: no, no, and yes, I see now |
| 23:23.16 | shin | i've a question fo support |
| 23:23.21 | shin | for* |
| 23:23.36 | jimcooncat | nido_: so you can log in as root? |
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| 23:23.46 | shin | i need to install debian on qemu mips architecture on x86 host system |
| 23:23.48 | jimcooncat | nido_: so you can log in as root? |
| 23:23.58 | nido_ | jimcooncat: no; but i gotta go; sorry |
| 23:24.06 | dondelelcaro | nido_: if you don't have a remote shell, then you're pretty much SOL. |
| 23:24.11 | shin | how can i do this? |
| 23:25.07 | abrotman | shin: did you try the qemu mips binary ? |
| 23:25.15 | dondelelcaro | nido_: though a possible method which may work is to edit some of the init scripts to at least get the permissions set properly on things like su and sudo, which may be enough to get you to a shell. |
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| 23:25.25 | bobo_b | hi |
| 23:25.34 | dondelelcaro | nido_: however, without a remote shell, you'll have to get that right the very first time, which is going to be very difficult |
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| 23:26.01 | shin | yes |
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| 23:26.02 | shin | but |
| 23:26.03 | jimcooncat | I'm trying to find a good working *transparent* apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy, whatever. Or do I have to use squid? I don't want to do any client config. |
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| 23:26.08 | shin | maybe i wrong procedure |
| 23:26.09 | bobo_b | i am on a server that is using apt-get, however i miss aptitude's "why". how can i do this using apt-get? (i.e. find out why a package is installed) |
| 23:26.43 | shin | the comman that i do is: qemu-system-mips -boot d -cdrom debian-504-mips-CD-1.iso -hda mips-hd -m 700MB |
| 23:26.46 | themill | bobo_b: just install aptitude |
| 23:27.00 | shin | the error is: qemu: Warning, could not load MIPS bios '/usr/share/qemu/mips_bios.bin' |
| 23:27.08 | Vasistha | nido_: you'll probably have to reboot your server from a rescue cd and fix permissions that way |
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| 23:27.35 | bobo_b | themill: you couldn't mix them in etch, can you in lenny?? |
| 23:27.51 | bobo_b | well, since apt-get has autoremove now, it doesn't really matter anyway, does it? |
| 23:28.04 | Vasistha | bobo_b: they can definitely both be installed, however aptitude will try to remove things installed by apt-get if you let it |
| 23:28.19 | abrotman | bobo_b: the problem resolution in aptitude is far far better |
| 23:28.35 | bobo_b | Vasistha: yeah, i had this on my desktop once when suddenly gnome was uninstalled :-) |
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| 23:28.58 | themill | bobo_b: there are just a couple of corner cases where aptitude is smarter than apt-get and so apt-get doesn't implement things (e.g. forbid-version) |
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| 23:29.33 | bobo_b | themill: so why do you suggest to install aptitude? |
| 23:30.04 | bobo_b | and anyway, is there a way to find out which package had package x installed using apt-get? |
| 23:30.07 | themill | bobo_b: in answer to your original question... |
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| 23:30.26 | bobo_b | so apt-get and dpkg can't do this? |
| 23:30.35 | themill | dpkg: tell bobo_b about why aptitude |
| 23:30.50 | themill | bobo_b: there are lots of things that apt-get and dpkg can't do on their own that aptitude can do |
| 23:31.08 | KB1JWQ | themill: Like what? |
| 23:31.16 | wellington | can someone on squeeze tell me if you do a ^G in a terminal do you get a pc speaker beep? |
| 23:31.19 | Vasistha | bobo_b: there was a utility we used to use before aptitude ... which would prune or something. I don't remember what it was called. We don't need it anymore because everyone uses aptitude |
| 23:31.27 | themill | makes KB1JWQ read the scrollback |
| 23:31.50 | KB1JWQ | themill: Yes. I read this. I'm trying to get an example or two rather than "Oh, lots of things." |
| 23:31.58 | bobo_b | themill: ok thanks, i see |
| 23:32.32 | KB1JWQ | just came around to the debian world after half a decade of RedHat. |
| 23:32.40 | themill | KB1JWQ: "aptitude why foo bar", interactive resolver for getting out of tight spots, easily purge already removed packages |
| 23:32.48 | bobo_b | but given my situation, with a server already using apt-get, can i find out which pkg hast x as a dependency any easy way? |
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| 23:32.52 | KB1JWQ | So I'm still trying to translate things from yum equivalents. :-) |
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| 23:33.51 | Vasistha | bobo_b: I don't believe there is an easy way |
| 23:34.21 | themill | KB1JWQ: forbid-version, better display of its reasoning for doing things (versions, dependency chain etc), user-tagging of packages during installation, debtags searching, funky searching patterns, ... |
| 23:34.23 | Vasistha | bobo_b: what I would do in that case is install aptitude, and slowly go through all the installed packages marking the ones I know I want as manual. |
| 23:34.38 | abrotman | bobo_b: you can try to remove it .. see what it wants to rip out |
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| 23:35.28 | KB1JWQ | themill: There a way to get it to spit out the changelogs in updating packages? :-) |
| 23:35.30 | bobo_b | hm ok right, thanks |
| 23:35.41 | KB1JWQ | Doing it by hand gets tiresome for 50 packages. |
| 23:35.43 | themill | KB1JWQ: of course. just install apt-listchanges |
| 23:35.52 | themill | KB1JWQ: see also apt-listbugs |
| 23:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Welcome to Debian from another RPM refugee! |
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| 23:37.05 | bobo_b | oh, on a related issue, does "apt Suggests dpkg-dev" mean that apt actually uses it? |
| 23:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: I am constantly finding nice little things that have been done the right way. |
| 23:37.16 | Vasistha | KB1JWQ: you can also take a look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:37.33 | bobo_b | or can i just uninstall dpkg-dev (which gives me a gcc i don't use) |
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| 23:37.57 | Vasistha | bobo_b: you can safely uninstall dpkg-dev |
| 23:38.05 | bobo_b | Vasistha: thanks |
| 23:38.14 | KB1JWQ | Full disclosure: Laptop's running Ubuntu, but a lot of the Ubuntu-isms are... puzzling. I'm treating it as debian and doing things from the CLI. |
| 23:38.17 | jhutchins_lt | bobo_b: Suggests is just as it says, not necessary to the function of this package but likely to be of interest if you're using it. |
| 23:38.20 | Vasistha | bobo_b: "suggests" and "recommends" are not requirements. |
| 23:39.00 | bobo_b | wait, isn't everything i install with apt pre-compiled? |
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| 23:39.10 | KB1JWQ | bobo_b: Yes. |
| 23:39.13 | shin | virtual box can virtualize mips on x86 host? |
| 23:39.14 | bobo_b | or why would i be likely to use gcc just because i use apt? |
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| 23:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: You'll find both do things a bit differently, like no mor network-scripts, and no real concept of runlevels, but Debian is not just upstream Ubuntu. |
| 23:39.58 | jhutchins_lt | bobo_b: You'd use gcc because you used dpkg-dev. |
| 23:40.00 | KB1JWQ | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I'd noticed that. Unfortuantely the hardware's too new to even be considered "bleeding edge," so my options were severely constrained. |
| 23:40.24 | bobo_b | jhutchins_lt: well, yes, but why does apt recommend dpkg-dev? |
| 23:40.33 | KB1JWQ | I'll be sure to restrict my questions in here to theoretical / aptitude/dpkg related stuff. |
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| 23:40.38 | bobo_b | suggest i mean |
| 23:40.51 | themill | bobo_b: if you want to use "apt-get source" you need dpkg-dev. |
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| 23:40.52 | KB1JWQ | bobo_b: Likely because it's a great tool for packagers? |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: that doesn't really work .. they patch their package managers |
| 23:41.00 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: That fluctuates. Sometimes kmuto and a few bpo packages will take care of everything. Certainly more likely than getting new hardware working in Centos. |
| 23:41.03 | xeerz | Trying to route network traffic from one device to another, I've follwed steps from tuts but my postrouting seems to not be setup correct. can anyone offer some tips? |
| 23:41.12 | jhutchins_lt | bobo_b: Can't answer that one. |
| 23:41.48 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Sure, but "What's the equivalent to 'yum provides */FILENAME'" in here a week ago got me introduced to apt-file. |
| 23:41.50 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Be aware that what are answers for the same package name in Debian are not necessarily answers for Ubuntu. |
| 23:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: It's a bit like fixing RedHat by installing the more advanced Mandriva RPM's. |
| 23:42.27 | KB1JWQ | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I'm forewarned / forearmed. Once my drivers hit the mainline kernel I suspect I may look into debian directly. |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | would hope that #ubuntu would be able to answer that question |
| 23:42.54 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Not to put this indelicately, but the level of support one receives there... fluctuates. |
| 23:43.09 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Also understand that if you are chasing an Ubuntu problem here, you will confuse the people trying to help you, because the problem may not exist in Debian. |
| 23:43.17 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: which is why people keep (against channel rules) asking here ... |
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| 23:44.01 | hideo | god damn I wish I could ask debian specific questions in #ubuntu |
| 23:44.16 | KB1JWQ | jhutchins_lt: Which is why I'm asking purely theoretical questions here, not "X is broken, what do?" style questions. Ubuntu descends from Debian, and I'm less interested in "how do I," as opposed to "What's the reason behind this debian decision?" |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | you can, but if they find out, they send you here |
| 23:44.46 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: We demand uname -a output before providing any support in #centos. :-) |
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| 23:45.08 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: I understand that, and many questions from the RedHat world are the kind that have common answers here and in Ubuntu. |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: seems reasonable to me |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: they can still ie |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | lie |
| 23:45.43 | wellington | could someone on squeeze do me a favor and do a ^G in a terminal and tell me if you get a pc speaker beep |
| 23:45.54 | Vasistha | KB1JWQ: you're maybe the first person I've seen with a valid reason to ask questions in debian while running ubuntu |
| 23:45.58 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Not nearly as well as you'd think. cpanel and openVZ break oodles of stuff. |
| 23:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Understand that for someone who spent 3/4 of a day trying to help fix a problem, only to discover that the person had lied about using Ubuntu and the problem didn't have any common elements in Debian, the fact that you're not on Debian will be annoying. |
| 23:45.59 | themill | KB1JWQ: there isn't really any question that you can ask that is purely theoretical though. There's always an implementation somewhere and an implementation means a certain set of bugs (and patches) involved. |
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| 23:46.03 | bobo_b | oh wow, looks like "aptitude why" doesn't really care about what is installed. i asked why gcc-4.2-base is installed and it said gcc-4.2-base <- gcc <- dpkg-dev <- apt, but none of those packages is installed...?? |
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| 23:46.44 | Vasistha | themill: sure there are. erm. let me think of one. uh. hmmm. |
| 23:46.48 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Feel free to /msg me any time, I have nowhere near the debian-fu of most of these guys, but I do know both systems and have been getting better. |
| 23:46.51 | SuperMiguel | is the intel GMA X4500 supported in debian lenny? |
| 23:47.10 | KB1JWQ | At $DAYJOB I run ~400 servers on CentOS. I think I know enough by now to figure out where the line lies; I don't intend to lie about what I'm doing, either. :-) |
| 23:47.14 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 23:47.15 | dpkg | i heard giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 23:47.27 | themill | bobo_b: "aptitude why package1 package2" is more useful than its single package form |
| 23:48.05 | KB1JWQ | jhutchins_lt: Thanks. Vasistha: I hope I'll live up to that. :-) |
| 23:48.25 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: and FWIW .. if you can run it on ubuntu, it shuld work on debian .. we have a few methods ... so saying your hardware is too new isn't really a valid argument for running ubuntu |
| 23:48.54 | Vasistha | bobo_b: that's probably the reason that is was pulled in. But since apt didn't automatically remove gcc-4.2-base when things depending on it were removed... you can see it's still installed. the reason somehow was preserved |
| 23:48.56 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Technically it doesn't run on Ubuntu yet either. I'm running the beta, and evey day more things start working. |
| 23:49.33 | hideo | what kind of hardware? |
| 23:49.52 | KB1JWQ | hideo: Thinkpad t510 |
| 23:50.11 | KB1JWQ | The Intel 6250 wireless card has no firmware blob yet, Intel claims "sooner rather than later." |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | has a Thinkpad T500 that worked perfectly fine with the squeeze installer |
| 23:50.31 | KB1JWQ | They changed things up in the 510; resume from sleep fails as well. |
| 23:50.31 | abrotman | but i have the 5100 wifi card |
| 23:50.35 | hideo | damn, now I'm green with envy |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | what is 'resume from sleep' ? |
| 23:50.49 | KB1JWQ | Er, wake from suspend rather. |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | is kidding .. |
| 23:50.57 | Vasistha | suspend-to-ram I assume? |
| 23:51.39 | KB1JWQ | Vasistha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/532374 if you want to be specific, the upstream bug is linked there as well. THis transcends distro. |
| 23:51.45 | Vasistha | on my t42, about 1 in 20 times resume from suspend-to-ram fails and I have to crudely power off without shutting down |
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| 23:51.50 | abrotman | sends them both to #ubuntu .. |
| 23:52.24 | KB1JWQ | Okay, in RedHat land starting a service (let's pick postfix because it rocks) involves "service postfix start." |
| 23:52.36 | KB1JWQ | I presume debian uses /etc/init.d/postfix start? |
| 23:52.58 | Vasistha | KB1JWQ: I'm not at all convinced that it transcends distro. using different software for suspend, or a different kernel, may very well solve the issue. |
| 23:53.01 | themill | KB1JWQ: invoke-rc.d |
| 23:53.54 | KB1JWQ | themill: Ahhh, thanks. |
| 23:54.14 | KB1JWQ | And what's the chkconfig equivalent (controls what services are on or off in a given runlevel)? |
| 23:54.50 | themill | KB1JWQ: ls. /msg dpkg services |
| 23:55.00 | KB1JWQ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.11 | KB1JWQ | sighs. LEading space fail |
| 23:55.18 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: you should be asking #ubuntu if oyu're using Ubuntu .. |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | !rules |
| 23:55.26 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 23:56.11 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Sure, if I were asking from practical "what I'm doing today" issues. I'm curious since I did some work for a client on Debian recently, and felt very out of my depth. |
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| 23:56.45 | KB1JWQ | And while the RedHat scripts have been ported to Debian, I feel like one should play in the sandbox one is given. |
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| 23:57.26 | hideo | hmm what's the module for the intel 6250 card? Isn't it just iwlagn? |
| 23:57.31 | bobo_b | oh hehe, gcc-4.2-base unistalles just fine, but gcc-4.3-base wants to drag apt, base-files, bash and many more down with it... |
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