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| 01:33.20 | simonrvn | pinoyoragon: www.openldap.org see the admin guide |
| 01:34.56 | remu | what is the best way of getting the latest non-free nvidia drivers working with testing, I just tried the information from /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and /msg dpkg tum, and it destroyed my install right after a fresh install, so im re-installing debian |
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| 01:42.45 | simonrvn | you did it wrong then |
| 01:42.56 | dvs | quit |
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| 01:44.49 | remu | simonrvn: I did it exactly as they said |
| 01:45.45 | remu | simonrvn: do I need to install any particular packages before I follow those instructions? |
| 01:45.53 | simonrvn | well, not saying it's infallible, sorry if i implied that, bu under ordinary circumstances those instructions should be ok |
| 01:46.00 | simonrvn | but* |
| 01:46.06 | remu | all I had was the clean net install with system utils and laptop from taskel |
| 01:46.11 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:46.37 | remu | don't have to worry about installing xserver or build essential first eh? |
| 01:47.10 | simonrvn | so no weird third party repos, or other oddities that might interfere? |
| 01:47.32 | simonrvn | b-e is good to have anyway with that stuff |
| 01:48.21 | remu | nope, it was a fresh install with the testing repos, and sid repos |
| 01:48.29 | remu | main contrib and non-free for both |
| 01:49.38 | simonrvn | and didn't miss a step? |
| 01:49.49 | remu | nope |
| 01:49.51 | dbuduru | I installed debian on a desktop that has a hdmi out and its connected to my TV. After the installation, when I tried to change the resolution - the only options that I have are 680x480 and 800x600. I was wondering if you can help me figure out what I missed |
| 01:50.03 | simonrvn | sorry to hear that you had to reinstall, that sucks :( |
| 01:50.08 | remu | my re-install just finished, so going to try again, but this time installing b-e first |
| 01:50.16 | simonrvn | it's rare you have to do something that drastic |
| 01:50.19 | mentor | dbuduru: What's your graphics cards? |
| 01:50.28 | simonrvn | good luck remu |
| 01:50.34 | remu | thanks simonrvn |
| 01:51.53 | dbuduru | mentor: Its intel® Graphics Media Accelerator (Intel® GMA) X4500 |
| 01:52.23 | johni | what is the difference between changelog and changelog.Debian for .deb packages? And can I have a changelog for unofficial packages that I create? any documentation would be appreciated |
| 01:52.56 | mentor | johni: They are changelogs for the upstream and packaging respectively. |
| 01:53.45 | mentor | dbuduru: What kernel version do you have? |
| 01:55.03 | johni | menter: I tried to get the changelog for one of my packages and I get this error message "You can only view changelogs for official Debian packages". |
| 01:55.27 | dbuduru | mentor: its 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:55.34 | johni | mentor, do I get the error because I did not add a changelog? or because I cannot have a changelog for my own packages? |
| 01:56.09 | mentor | johni: I don't know. |
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| 01:57.15 | mentor | dbuduru: I think your best bet is probably to upgrade kernels to something around .32 and additionally upgrade to much newer versions of xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 01:57.21 | kaushal | hi |
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| 01:57.31 | kaushal | can i ask about ossim here ? |
| 01:57.45 | kaushal | http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home |
| 01:57.59 | remu | simonrvn: after setting up the testing/unstable mix, if I do a aptitude safe-upgrade, it wants to get a lot of packages from unstable....shouldnt it want to get them from testing? |
| 01:58.01 | kaushal | ossim is based out of debian 5.0.4 |
| 01:58.22 | dbuduru | mentor: Thanks, I will give that a shot. |
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| 03:02.03 | minsa | what is the best irc server program ? |
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| 03:05.44 | Titan8990 | minsa: i believe ircd-hybrid is what run freenode now |
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| 03:09.20 | minsa | Titan8990, thnx.. I will try that... |
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| 03:12.18 | minsa | just hybrid or oftc ? |
| 03:12.51 | mgriffin | hello, while this is an issue with an ubuntu box, #ubuntu does not seem to be aware of app armor this time of day. a user in #mysql was seeing this: http://pastebin.com/UstWbRqZ and i was curious |
| 03:12.55 | mgriffin | what could cause that and if the correct solution is to add /sys/devices/system/cpu/ r," to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld |
| 03:14.04 | Titan8990 | mgriffin: ubuntu is not supported here and debian does not package apparmor |
| 03:14.45 | mgriffin | Titan8990: interesting (the second point) |
| 03:14.57 | Titan8990 | mgriffin: we have SELinux... |
| 03:15.18 | mgriffin | i thought that it was inherited |
| 03:15.22 | mgriffin | my mistake |
| 03:15.30 | Titan8990 | mgriffin: wouldn't matter anyways |
| 03:15.35 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 03:15.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:15.44 | mgriffin | Titan8990: thanks for the useful information |
| 03:15.50 | mgriffin | but not the trolling |
| 03:16.07 | Titan8990 | mgriffin: hey, dpkg does the trolling |
| 03:16.14 | mgriffin | upon your request |
| 03:16.36 | mgriffin | if there was a lot of traffic right now, i wouldnt have asked. |
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| 03:18.13 | Titan8990 | mgriffin: that could be our most popular factoid... |
| 03:18.22 | hellyeah | hey |
| 03:18.26 | Titan8990 | !factinfo ubuntu |
| 03:18.27 | dpkg | ubuntu -- last modified at Wed Feb 13 17:17:41 2008 by weasel!weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net; it has been requested 1254 times, last by Titan8990, 2m 51s ago. |
| 03:18.27 | amphi | Titan8990: heh |
| 03:18.33 | Titan8990 | !factinfo nvidia |
| 03:18.33 | dpkg | nvidia -- last modified at Sun Sep 20 20:45:26 2009 by themill!~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net; it has been requested 3196 times, last by remu, 2h 39m 2s ago. |
| 03:18.34 | hellyeah | my system doesnt have /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 03:18.38 | hellyeah | where is it |
| 03:18.44 | mgriffin | Titan8990: i am well aware. |
| 03:19.16 | hellyeah | i have to add something to that file |
| 03:19.17 | Titan8990 | hellyeah: thats been deprecated. /etc/modules.d and /etc/modules |
| 03:19.20 | amphi | hellyeah: it's all /etc/modprobe.d/ these days, I think |
| 03:19.21 | hellyeah | but it doesnt exist |
| 03:19.30 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 03:19.51 | Titan8990 | hellyeah: thats been deprecated for quite a while actually... |
| 03:19.57 | hellyeah | i have to add something about nvidia |
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| 03:19.59 | hellyeah | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=113105 |
| 03:20.15 | hellyeah | in modprobe.d/ there is nvidia-kernel.conf |
| 03:20.23 | hellyeah | may i add it to that file |
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| 03:21.19 | Titan8990 | it will likely be overwritten when the package that installed it is upgraded |
| 03:21.47 | Titan8990 | hellyeah: atleast that is how it works with /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. If you can, make a new file in that dir and add you custom stuff in that |
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| 03:22.37 | Titan8990 | hellyeah: is that your post? |
| 03:23.54 | hellyeah | no |
| 03:23.58 | hellyeah | i found that |
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| 03:41.45 | lexter | hello |
| 03:41.59 | lexter | i'm trying to run CGI:IRC on Debian |
| 03:42.13 | lexter | but i get a 500 Internar Server error |
| 03:42.25 | lexter | y error.log (apache) i see this: " [error] [client 10.0.0.2] Can't locate parse.pl in @INC (@INC contains: modules interfaces /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at irc.cgi line 34. " |
| 03:42.52 | lexter | any idea to fix this ? |
| 03:44.41 | nsadmin | run this: dpkg -s perl |
| 03:44.43 | nsadmin | err |
| 03:44.46 | nsadmin | wait |
| 03:45.01 | nsadmin | run this: dpkg -s perl | grep Version |
| 03:45.32 | lexter | Version: 5.10.0-19lenny2 |
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| 03:53.06 | lexter | nsadmin :( |
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| 03:53.31 | xerophyte | i have grub issue, when i do this in the grub prompt find /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) |
| 03:54.02 | xerophyte | i get that but when i reboot the box its only works if i edit the entry to (hd1,0) does anybody know why is that? |
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| 03:55.14 | worr | Is there anything for Debian like FreeBSD's portaudit? |
| 03:56.32 | billy | can people help me on my game please and sign up on http://www.themobsterslife.com/signup.php?step=3&refer=5345 |
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| 03:57.22 | billy | and dont bother telling me its off-topic because i dont really care |
| 03:58.36 | billy | isnt anybody even here? |
| 03:58.41 | lexter | no |
| 03:58.47 | lexter | it is off-topic |
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| 03:58.59 | hideo | !ops billy's a moron |
| 03:58.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: hideo complains about: billy's a moron |
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| 04:00.06 | nsadmin | worr: you'd have to describe portaudit at least to me |
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| 04:01.47 | nsadmin | lexter so probably the module you want to use is not installed |
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| 04:01.58 | nsadmin | the path looks reasonable at first glance |
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| 04:02.46 | lexter | nsadmin :( |
| 04:03.01 | lexter | how can i install it via apt-geT? |
| 04:03.15 | nsadmin | what module? |
| 04:03.26 | nsadmin | CGI::IRC? |
| 04:03.50 | nsadmin | you can try libcgi-irc-perl |
| 04:03.57 | nsadmin | and libcgi-perl |
| 04:04.03 | worr | nsadmin: It's a program that lists what ports have security upgrades due. |
| 04:04.34 | nsadmin | worr: hmm, interesting. |
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| 04:05.04 | nsadmin | I've never heard of that kind of thing... I'm not sure how it would know |
| 04:05.43 | nsadmin | , versions libcgi-irc-perl |
| 04:05.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libcgi-irc-perl' was found. |
| 04:05.49 | nsadmin | , versions libcgi-perl |
| 04:05.50 | judd | libcgi-perl -- etch: 2.76-24 |
| 04:06.02 | lexter | :o |
| 04:06.04 | nsadmin | looks like it was dropped |
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| 04:06.27 | lexter | libnet-irc-perl ? |
| 04:06.38 | nsadmin | mazzanet::IRC? |
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| 04:06.48 | nsadmin | argh. |
| 04:07.00 | nsadmin | "Net::IRC" |
| 04:07.02 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 04:07.51 | nsadmin | , versions libnet-irc-perl |
| 04:07.52 | judd | libnet-irc-perl -- etch: 0.75-6; lenny: 0.75-8; sid: 0.75-8; squeeze: 0.75-8 |
| 04:08.16 | nsadmin | what version are you looking for? |
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| 04:09.26 | hormelc | can i screen then go in x and connect? |
| 04:09.54 | hormelc | it wont let me i thought that was ok |
| 04:10.27 | nsadmin | run screen, then inside the screen shell run echo $DISPLAY |
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| 04:11.20 | hormelc | ok it outputs nothing |
| 04:11.25 | nsadmin | actually, you could be talking about too many other things... describe in more details |
| 04:11.56 | nsadmin | well at least that tells us you wouldn't at that moment be able to run x clients |
| 04:12.06 | nsadmin | not from that screen shell |
| 04:12.10 | hormelc | yes sry.. if im in the console and i run screen.. then disconnect... wait i try 1 more time |
| 04:12.28 | nsadmin | if you're in which console? |
| 04:12.40 | lexter | damn |
| 04:12.44 | lexter | i can't find the lib |
| 04:12.44 | lexter | :@ |
| 04:12.59 | hormelc | see what i want to do is fire up my chat then start x and reconnect |
| 04:13.22 | nsadmin | is your chat a text/curses based? |
| 04:13.47 | nsadmin | screen is unfortunately not sensitive to terminal type changes |
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| 04:15.21 | nsadmin | the text console is terminal type "linux" and usually in X the terminal type of the xterms is "xterm" |
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| 04:17.30 | dbuduru | when I installed debian it didnt recognize the video card, is there a way I can enforce that. |
| 04:17.33 | macrobat | idk, i have successfully attached/deattached tmux sessions in console and X |
| 04:17.57 | nsadmin | lexter to start with you need to know what modules are needed by the thing you're running |
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| 04:18.03 | dbuduru | my xorg.conf file doesnt have any entries related to the video card..it has a generic section for monitor |
| 04:18.14 | lexter | nsadmin cgi:irc webchat |
| 04:18.17 | hormelc | nsadmin: yes im usng weechat curses |
| 04:18.24 | nsadmin | dbuduru you want to enforce it not recognizing the card? |
| 04:18.33 | macrobat | dbuduru: does the gfxcard show up with lspci? |
| 04:18.44 | hormelc | h/o i think i forgot how to use screen??? |
| 04:18.49 | hormelc | brb |
| 04:19.10 | dbuduru | nsadmin: right. I am trying to connect it to my HDTV.. but the only resolution options that I have are 680x480 and 800x600 |
| 04:19.29 | nsadmin | and you want to enforce your present situation? |
| 04:19.42 | nsadmin | you want to keep that, and force it to stay like that? |
| 04:20.19 | dbuduru | macrobat: it shows up. |
| 04:20.45 | nsadmin | curses uses the whole terminal type thing, termcap/terminfo |
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| 04:21.44 | nsadmin | not sure that screen can do what you want... it involves changing the terminal type in the middle of the weechat (or whatever) running, and I thought I read that screen won't be sensitive to that change |
| 04:21.48 | hormelc | ok ty i forgot i was suing as another user |
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| 04:22.09 | hormelc | i think thats why imm try it again |
| 04:22.16 | macrobat | dbuduru: then your card is recognized :) what do you mean? |
| 04:22.31 | dbuduru | nsadmin: the current resolution is terrible. What I am looking for is to make debian recognize the video card, so that I can choose better resolution options |
| 04:22.36 | macrobat | you install a driver for it |
| 04:22.40 | nsadmin | dbuduru lspci -nn |
| 04:22.52 | nsadmin | and see how many lines it is |
| 04:23.10 | nsadmin | most likely 1 but maybe there's also a second device |
| 04:23.23 | hormelc | ty nsadmin i gonna try it inna bit... vid card probs eh?? |
| 04:23.37 | nsadmin | me? no |
| 04:23.43 | nsadmin | seems to work fine |
| 04:23.45 | dbuduru | nsadmin: I see a lot of lines, in that list I see a line for Display controller. its an intel gfx card.. |
| 04:23.55 | hormelc | ahhhh he is having issuse.. |
| 04:23.59 | dbuduru | 8066:2e22 |
| 04:24.11 | macrobat | ,pciid 8066:2e22 |
| 04:24.13 | judd | [8066:2e22] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8066:2e22 |
| 04:24.28 | nsadmin | you sure that's the number? |
| 04:24.41 | dbuduru | ,pciid 8066:2e23 |
| 04:24.43 | judd | [8066:2e23] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8066:2e23 |
| 04:24.46 | macrobat | paste the whole line here |
| 04:25.55 | dbuduru | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e22] (rev 03) |
| 04:25.55 | dbuduru | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e23] (rev 03) |
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| 04:26.07 | hellyeah | hey |
| 04:26.14 | dvs | 8086 |
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| 04:26.25 | dbuduru | sorry, my bad. |
| 04:26.29 | hellyeah | is there someone who has problem on booting windows 7 afrer installing debian |
| 04:27.17 | dbuduru | ,pciid 8086:2e23 |
| 04:27.19 | judd | [8086:2e23] is '4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2e23 |
| 04:28.27 | dbuduru | nsadmin: based on the above message, do I have to upgrade to a higher kernel version ? |
| 04:29.08 | krisfremen | hellyeah: grub/lilo problems? |
| 04:29.10 | hormelc | if its not in sid... |
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| 04:30.16 | hormelc | you are in a place that your h/w isnt supported by your distro |
| 04:30.26 | hormelc | your VIDEO CARD |
| 04:30.30 | hormelc | plan ahead |
| 04:31.16 | hormelc | it might not be fun to get it working |
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| 04:31.59 | asdfqwer | is there a compiz-like window's manager available for windows |
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| 04:32.08 | asdfqwer | Yodm 3d comes up |
| 04:32.16 | dbuduru | hormelc: thx for the input |
| 04:32.23 | hormelc | only good 1`that i know of... |
| 04:32.34 | asdfqwer | wondering if there were/are any other alternatives |
| 04:32.42 | hellyeah | krisfremen, grub problem |
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| 04:33.14 | hellyeah | i am also on grub channel |
| 04:33.19 | hellyeah | there is noone |
| 04:33.27 | hellyeah | may be someone had a problem and fix that |
| 04:33.28 | hormelc | dbuduru: sry that being said i have no idea if it is opr is not truly supported... maybe someone knows or can suggest |
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| 04:35.15 | krisfremen | hellyeah: you need to look into /boot/ |
| 04:35.38 | hellyeah | i see /dev/sda1 widows loader |
| 04:35.48 | hellyeah | but when i click that it stucks |
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| 04:47.22 | tpocra | How can I re-read rc.local without rebooting? |
| 04:48.16 | hormelc | tpocra: just run it> |
| 04:48.21 | rudi_s_ | tpocra: Just run it as root. It's only a script. |
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| 04:51.14 | hormelc | ok i can reconnect but only in this tty |
| 04:52.49 | hormelc | it makes sense thouhg becuse this was not the user getting into x |
| 04:55.42 | hormelc | ok need tom ake .xinitrc........ |
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| 04:57.32 | hormelc | ok yea i had to be 1 logginto x, then it works yay |
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| 05:05.25 | dbuduru | I am retiring my old media server and I want to transfer all the content to a new machine. Both are linux systems and content is around 60 gigs.. |
| 05:05.48 | dbuduru | I was wondering if someone can suggest the best approach to move the content from one system to the other |
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| 05:09.43 | wols_ | dbuduru: man cp |
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| 05:11.17 | dbuduru | wols_: cp to copy stuff between 2 different linux boxes ? |
| 05:12.53 | hormelc | rsync should work over network i think |
| 05:13.12 | hormelc | or sftp |
| 05:14.01 | wols_ | dbuduru: there are a gazillion methods to connect two networked hosts. heck, moving the harddisk frome to the other works |
| 05:15.46 | hormelc | depends how much content though |
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| 05:16.59 | hormelc | if its a whole shitton of stuff yea put the disk in |
| 05:17.32 | hormelc | and if you have the space in ther why not |
| 05:17.37 | hormelc | !next |
| 05:17.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 05:18.41 | hellyeah | hey |
| 05:18.45 | hellyeah | grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 05:18.49 | hellyeah | i didnt do this |
| 05:18.55 | hellyeah | i took command not found why |
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| 05:19.04 | hormelc | rly?? it works? |
| 05:19.31 | hellyeah | it didnt work |
| 05:20.23 | hormelc | what did you preformat disk install win7 then debian? |
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| 05:20.49 | hellyeah | yeah win7 then debian |
| 05:20.57 | hellyeah | and win7 didnt work now |
| 05:21.02 | hellyeah | i see win7 on grub |
| 05:21.04 | hormelc | someone told me that works fime |
| 05:21.18 | hellyeah | when i click win7 it stucks |
| 05:21.23 | hellyeah | how |
| 05:21.31 | hellyeah | i cant do this can you tell me :D |
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| 05:21.53 | hellyeah | because i am preparing a thesis and i have to use win7 because of matlab |
| 05:21.58 | hormelc | make sure the menu.lst file is set up correctly/ |
| 05:22.14 | hellyeah | /etc/grub/menu.list |
| 05:22.18 | hormelc | i think thats what its called if you are using grub and not grub2 that is |
| 05:22.27 | hellyeah | i have grub2 |
| 05:22.36 | hellyeah | i read grub2 doesnt have menu.list |
| 05:23.06 | hellyeah | if i need to install grub-legacy i install it |
| 05:23.11 | hormelc | um hmmm yea so make sur you know your disk layout... fdisk /dev/sda p |
| 05:23.13 | hellyeah | i jus want win7 back |
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| 05:23.56 | hormelc | grub 1 seems easier to set up because i know how to do it... dunno bout grub2 |
| 05:23.57 | hellyeah | i will paste |
| 05:24.05 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 05:24.12 | hellyeah | i am com Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 05:24.12 | hellyeah | /dev/sda1 * 1 13 102400 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 05:24.12 | hellyeah | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 05:24.12 | hellyeah | /dev/sda2 13 6375 51097600 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 05:24.12 | hellyeah | /dev/sda3 6376 10022 29294527+ 83 Linux |
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| 05:24.28 | hormelc | lol |
| 05:24.55 | spersaud | lol |
| 05:25.07 | spersaud | I was just gonna send him this link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBBl6HvdpM&feature=fvsr |
| 05:25.29 | dkr | I'm having this really weird problem in squeeze. mouse events are not being sent to X. cursor moves, but xev shows X not seeing anything. I did recently update a whole lot of packages |
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| 05:26.30 | dkr | even stranger is that the mouse works for 30 seconds or so after I login to a gnome session and then stops. |
| 05:27.07 | hormelc | did you update gnome while you were in X? |
| 05:27.16 | hormelc | not good |
| 05:27.32 | dkr | I can't even guess what is causing this. i thought maybe because I hadn't rebooted righ away after updates, but I've since rebooted, and , ahh, yeah, maybe that ahs something to do with it |
| 05:28.04 | dkr | but no idea why ti would take 30 seconds to triggre whatever is happening to cause the mouse to stop working |
| 05:28.23 | hormelc | cant guarantee thats the issue, but that can cause wierd issues to pop up i think |
| 05:28.44 | hormelc | read the sidux user manual |
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| 05:29.25 | dkr | what's that? not in squeeze |
| 05:29.39 | hormelc | sidux is sid |
| 05:30.05 | hormelc | i think... hmm that reminds me i have to check something... |
| 05:30.29 | dkr | dpkg says sidux is OT in here, :) |
| 05:30.29 | dpkg | okay, dkr |
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| 05:30.35 | dkr | oops |
| 05:30.44 | hellyeah | hey |
| 05:30.50 | hellyeah | i come back |
| 05:30.56 | hellyeah | i install grub-legacy |
| 05:31.13 | hellyeah | you mean hormelc |
| 05:31.16 | hormelc | you are correct im sorry |
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| 05:31.39 | hellyeah | debian wam me debian squeeze support grub-legacy |
| 05:31.45 | hellyeah | i reboot this system |
| 05:31.51 | hellyeah | i come back in two minuts |
| 05:31.55 | hellyeah | are you here hormelc |
| 05:32.14 | hormelc | yea |
| 05:32.24 | hormelc | ok yea gl |
| 05:32.55 | hellyeah | okey |
| 05:32.59 | hellyeah | thanks for help |
| 05:33.12 | hormelc | lol when you say gnome and 'update a bunch of packages' in same sntence i know hwat happened |
| 05:35.36 | hormelc | i cannot decide what wm to try next... gnome or kde |
| 05:37.28 | hormelc | what is good hdtv card that you use? |
| 05:38.48 | hormelc | so really kde or gnome i havent try kde in a while.. |
| 05:39.26 | hormelc | is compiz on kde? |
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| 05:41.37 | hormelc | i like gnome though... dunno |
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| 05:42.25 | spersaud | hormelc: gnome, kde sucks |
| 05:43.25 | hormelc | yea.. ok |
| 05:43.32 | spersaud | all of them suck a lot, mac osx is the best ...... if you can afford it |
| 05:43.36 | dkr | hormelc: apparently has something to do with xorg evdev driver and not gnome. heh, it's painful to do web research with no mouse |
| 05:43.41 | spersaud | but then you wont have an opensource system |
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| 05:44.31 | hormelc | spersaud: yes taht sounds about right |
| 05:45.12 | hormelc | dkr: iokay yes install the input drivers that was actually first thing i thought |
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| 05:45.46 | hormelc | dkr: i dont know the name of them in debian |
| 05:46.12 | hormelc | but wait you said it moved around |
| 05:46.20 | hormelc | hmm |
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| 05:46.55 | hormelc | spersaud: atm im using TWM |
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| 05:47.02 | hellyeah | hormelc, |
| 05:47.05 | hormelc | wb |
| 05:47.13 | hellyeah | i uninstall grub2 |
| 05:47.17 | hellyeah | and install grub |
| 05:47.26 | hellyeah | but still my system opens with grub2 |
| 05:47.37 | hellyeah | how can i handle that |
| 05:47.42 | spersaud | hormelc: but Squeeze will be off the hook, with the latest gnome, you just have to be happy, I use lenny, only thing sucks is I use fglrx .. but it doest crash |
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| 05:48.43 | hormelc | hellyeah: grub2 is still on? |
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| 05:48.52 | spersaud | hormelc: its a matter of being happy with what you have, I guess, I installed all kinds of distros, opensuse, ubuntu, but I like debian even though those have the latest stuff |
| 05:49.04 | hellyeah | yes |
| 05:49.08 | hellyeah | i removed grub2 |
| 05:49.21 | hormelc | spersaud: yeah gnome is pretty damn nice in Debian thats for sure |
| 05:50.03 | hormelc | i couldnt tell youthe last time i use kde though... maybe bt2 |
| 05:50.43 | hormelc | hellyeah: when you reboot the grub2 comes up though>? |
| 05:50.53 | hellyeah | yes |
| 05:51.12 | hellyeah | vut |
| 05:51.13 | spersaud | hellyeah: I believe you can use windows bootmanager also, its some command like bootmgr or something like that |
| 05:51.19 | hellyeah | i succed to remove i guess |
| 05:52.21 | dkr | my Xorg.0.log looks pretty weird. ""power button": configuring as keyboard" |
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| 05:53.01 | dkr | "logitech usb receiver": found 20 mouse buttons" |
| 05:54.20 | hormelc | i think when grub does that to me hmm i cannot remember if i ever rolledba ck |
| 05:54.21 | dkr | I do have logitech wireless mouse, but just normal 5 buttons if youcount scrollup/down as buttons. and the power button thing is just weird, also assigned to /dev/input/event? numbers |
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| 05:55.51 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 05:55.56 | hellyeah | grub2 is still there |
| 05:56.22 | hellyeah | i remov configuration file |
| 05:56.26 | hellyeah | remove package |
| 05:56.31 | hellyeah | re install grub |
| 05:56.38 | hellyeah | but grub2 is still there |
| 05:57.21 | hellyeah | hormelc, are you there |
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| 05:58.33 | hormelc | yea, don panic i think you are either gonna have to reinsatll grub2 correctly or ... |
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| 05:59.11 | hellyeah | i found a way |
| 05:59.20 | hormelc | what? |
| 06:00.02 | hellyeah | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 |
| 06:00.12 | hellyeah | uninstall grub2> grub |
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| 06:01.41 | hellyeah | i did it |
| 06:02.14 | hormelc | you purged it ? |
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| 06:03.58 | hellyeah | yes finally |
| 06:04.12 | hellyeah | now i guess i have to reboot system from grub |
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| 06:04.16 | hellyeah | i come back |
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| 06:08.32 | hellyeah | hormelc, debian asks me remove grub2 |
| 06:08.38 | hellyeah | but grub2 is still there |
| 06:08.41 | hellyeah | i am sick of it |
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| 06:11.34 | hormelc | hmm |
| 06:11.44 | jony123 | Whats the channel for help about packing and debian devloping. Wasnt it something like #debian-mentors? |
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| 06:12.21 | hormelc | hellyeah: try the next section 'reinstall grub2' |
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| 06:12.49 | acathur | jony123: yep but on irc.debian.org |
| 06:13.10 | jony123 | acathur: huh thought there was one on freenode. Well thanks anyway |
| 06:13.33 | hormelc | o or you can go to hell |
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| 06:15.28 | hormelc | !next |
| 06:15.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 06:17.40 | hormelc | not you jony123 |
| 06:17.45 | hormelc | :D |
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| 06:18.08 | hormelc | wb |
| 06:18.10 | hellyeah | i couldnt do that :D |
| 06:18.16 | hormelc | hellyeah: try the next section 'reinstall grub2' |
| 06:18.17 | hellyeah | :S:S:S |
| 06:18.37 | hellyeah | reinstall grub2 |
| 06:18.43 | hormelc | maybe |
| 06:18.46 | hellyeah | you can write this address |
| 06:18.52 | hormelc | dunno if it might work |
| 06:19.18 | jony123 | hormelc: I guessed. :) |
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| 06:20.34 | hormelc | ok good.. |
| 06:20.47 | hormelc | hellyeah: what address? |
| 06:20.48 | hellyeah | just i need that adrs |
| 06:20.55 | hellyeah | i pasted to channel |
| 06:21.02 | hormelc | ok yea |
| 06:21.57 | hormelc | 01:13:36 hellyeah | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 â Amorphous |
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| 06:27.25 | hellyeah | hormelc, yopu are in night in here |
| 06:27.33 | hellyeah | i am in morning in here |
| 06:27.37 | hellyeah | :D |
| 06:28.39 | hormelc | who died? |
| 06:29.01 | hellyeah | me |
| 06:29.05 | hellyeah | :D |
| 06:29.08 | hormelc | sry bad joke |
| 06:29.12 | hellyeah | ehehehehe |
| 06:29.36 | hellyeah | i need win7 |
| 06:29.37 | hellyeah | :D |
| 06:29.39 | hormelc | is it workng? |
| 06:29.44 | hellyeah | no |
| 06:29.52 | hormelc | what now? |
| 06:29.59 | hellyeah | debian asks me about removing grub2 i said yes |
| 06:30.06 | hellyeah | but it is still there |
| 06:30.16 | hellyeah | i do grub update |
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| 06:30.21 | wols_ | hellyeah: where is "there"? |
| 06:30.21 | hellyeah | after installing grub |
| 06:30.40 | hellyeah | i try to remove grub2 |
| 06:30.45 | hellyeah | grub2 is in nowhere |
| 06:30.53 | hellyeah | grub2 is in nowhere in system |
| 06:31.02 | hellyeah | but system open with grub2 still |
| 06:31.20 | wols_ | hellyeah: dpkg -l grub* |
| 06:31.34 | wols_ | and ls -l /boot/grub/*.mod | wc -l |
| 06:32.07 | wols_ | and last: you cannot uninstall a bootloader. you can only overwrite it |
| 06:32.35 | hellyeah | okey |
| 06:32.38 | hellyeah | wait a sec |
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| 06:34.12 | hellyeah | wols_, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16690 |
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| 06:36.53 | wols_ | purge grub and grub-command, then run grub-install to install grub to your MBR |
| 06:36.59 | Gnudoll | hellyeah: did you do a grub-install with grub in order to overwrite the MBR after uninstalling grub2? |
| 06:37.07 | wols_ | purge grub-pc too |
| 06:37.47 | Gnudoll | wols_ and I are on the same page here, I think |
| 06:38.12 | wols_ | damn. grub-common, not grub-command of course |
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| 06:39.02 | hellyeah | Gnudoll, |
| 06:39.04 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16691 |
| 06:39.06 | Gnudoll | that's OK, wols_ I parsed it as common the first time <G> |
| 06:39.40 | wols_ | hellyeah: maybe think for your own how to use programs? just for a second? |
| 06:40.25 | hellyeah | i purge grub grub-common |
| 06:41.50 | Gnudoll | hellyeah: grub-install (hd0) |
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| 06:42.14 | Gnudoll | you have to tell it what device ti install to. . . |
| 06:42.55 | hellyeah | grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 06:47.07 | hellyeah | Gnudoll, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16692 |
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| 06:49.22 | wols_ | someone says he doesn't want grub2 and immediately installs it |
| 06:49.25 | wols_ | awesome |
| 06:50.50 | cahoot | since his real wish is to be able to boot win7 - wouldn't grub2 be the bootloader of choice? |
| 06:51.11 | wols_ | any grub can boot it. it's all chainloading |
| 06:51.19 | cahoot | I see |
| 06:51.21 | wols_ | not as if grub2 could do it any other way |
| 06:52.25 | wols_ | my geuss is he has a windws7 problem, but that's OT here |
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| 06:55.58 | Gnudoll | is spoiled |
| 06:56.27 | Gnudoll | I have gotten way to used to Gnome |
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| 06:57.13 | Gnudoll | I tried out the other windowmanagers available on the LennyR4 install CD. . . |
| 06:58.17 | Gnudoll | and with both of the lightweight windowmanagers I was just like "ugh" |
| 06:58.50 | Gnudoll | KDE and Gnome were both OK, but KDE is too windoze like for me |
| 06:59.22 | Gnudoll | I can deal pretty easily with Gnome being OSX like. . . |
| 06:59.24 | nsadmin | consider yourself lucky... |
| 06:59.34 | nsadmin | originally there was NO x |
| 06:59.45 | Gnudoll | I remember that. |
| 06:59.57 | Gnudoll | I was fine with that then |
| 07:00.19 | Gnudoll | I even remember TWM |
| 07:00.25 | nsadmin | my original use for X was a better splitvt |
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| 07:02.14 | Gnudoll | mine was web browsing, and more text in the terminals |
| 07:03.04 | Gnudoll | Now I only drop out of X to debug X itself. . . |
| 07:03.37 | Gnudoll | hence the statement that I have gotten spoiled. . . |
| 07:04.10 | Gnudoll | not only do I do everything in X, but I demand a pretty one at that. |
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| 07:05.17 | Gnudoll | and this is on a lappy that takes 75~80 mins to compile a kernel |
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| 07:07.40 | Gnudoll | heh, the load monitor has both CPU and ram maxed out |
| 07:07.57 | Gnudoll | well, shows it that way anyway |
| 07:08.35 | Gnudoll | just because I happen to be cooking a kernel for this box. . . |
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| 07:12.55 | nsadmin | yer not spoiled... now if you were Marshall Sylver... |
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| 07:14.01 | nsadmin | or what's his name, the first ebay m$aire |
| 07:14.20 | nsadmin | Adam Ginsburg |
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| 07:18.00 | Gnudoll | Yeah, I guess spoiled would be something like not accepting this lappy, even for free. . . |
| 07:18.09 | Gnudoll | Thinkpad T21 |
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| 07:18.32 | Gnudoll | it was "given" to me because it was "broken" |
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| 07:18.56 | Gnudoll | keyboard had died the death of caffine and sugar |
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| 07:19.51 | Gnudoll | so far, I have replaced the keyboard (for $10), ordered a WiFi card for it, and thrown in a 100Gb HDD |
| 07:20.13 | Gnudoll | wifi card was also $10 |
| 07:21.09 | Gnudoll | this thing carries a P/// at 800Mhz, and only has 256Mb of RAM |
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| 07:23.09 | Gnudoll | but for the price. . . |
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| 07:33.17 | vorlock | hi ppl, any idea how to squash whole aoutput during bootup? quiet at booting options is not enough |
| 07:34.08 | Gnudoll | how about a boot splash screen? |
| 07:34.19 | Gnudoll | ex: splashy? |
| 07:35.06 | vorlock | already on place, but still there are few lines between grub and splash |
| 07:35.28 | Zone | vorlock, check Ubuntu's default kernel parameters, I don't think there is any output there |
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| 07:36.34 | Gnudoll | is there a reason those few lines are a problem? |
| 07:37.02 | vorlock | Gnudoll: yeee, I do not want to have them :-) |
| 07:37.03 | Gnudoll | they are only there for a blink IIRC |
| 07:37.17 | Gnudoll | Ahhh |
| 07:37.21 | Zone | or find a way to change the font color to black |
| 07:37.25 | vorlock | Zone: already done, nothng significant |
| 07:37.58 | Zone | you're like those people that put cardboard on the bottom of their TV screens so they don't see the scrollers on CNN |
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| 07:38.28 | vorlock | Zone: lol no I have to make it totally quiet |
| 07:38.33 | Gnudoll | not me, I just change the channel. . . |
| 07:38.54 | Gnudoll | <G> |
| 07:39.17 | Zone | I haven't had my TV hooked up for more than a year, just never got around to setting it back up. |
| 07:39.23 | vorlock | Zone: that is a requirement to to swap from Win to lin in the company |
| 07:39.37 | Gnudoll | Ahhh |
| 07:39.49 | Gnudoll | that is the reason it is a problem |
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| 07:39.56 | Zone | vorlock, what are the lines that are being output? |
| 07:40.36 | vorlock | Zone: looks like partial output from grub about grub root and so on |
| 07:41.11 | Gnudoll | is there perhaps an option in grub to quiet those? |
| 07:41.53 | Zone | yeah, seems like grub would have an option for that |
| 07:42.47 | vorlock | ooo have to check it closer again but didn't find it before |
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| 07:44.37 | rainabba | I'm running Lenny but need AutoMake 1.11 (which I'm only seeing in the Squeeze repos). What's the best way for me to obtain and install that version? I assume tarballs/make isn't my only/best option :) |
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| 07:45.08 | Zone | I was going to look at 'info grub', but I just spent two minutes trying to figure out how to navigate info pages for the 20th time and failing. why can't they just make sensible key bindings? |
| 07:45.21 | vorlock | Gnudoll & Zone: nop doesn't work |
| 07:45.37 | wols_ | rainabba: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:45.46 | rainabba | ty |
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| 07:47.21 | Zone | vorlock, you should check the Grub source code and grep for the lines you're seeing. I'm guessing there is some if_config('dont_output_this') wrapper aroundit |
| 07:48.34 | Gnudoll | try -no-curses ? |
| 07:49.10 | vorlock | Zone: :-) will try have time until sunday evening |
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| 07:55.09 | rainabba | wols_: automake isn't in backports for lenny. It is only in sqeeze(testing). Continue with the provided instructions from /msg dpkg? If so, "1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid" <-- I'm not clear enough here to continue. I assume it should read squeeze, not sid and I don't know what the rest of th eline should be. |
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| 08:00.41 | Gnudoll | OK I'll bbl. rebooting into the new kernel to test it. |
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| 08:12.20 | wols_ | rainabba: yes, a squeeze deb-src line then |
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| 08:23.25 | rainabba | wols_: This good? deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze/testing main contrib non-free |
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| 08:24.04 | SingAlong | hi all. i tried to set global env vars for all users and set it in the /etc/bash.bashrc file but when I do echo $MYVAR it doesnt work even after logging in and logging out |
| 08:24.50 | lindi- | SingAlong: are all users using bash? |
| 08:24.55 | cast | what lindi- said |
| 08:25.08 | babilen | rainabba: No, use something like "deb-src http://ftp.<xx>.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" and replace "<xx>" with a language/country code of your choice |
| 08:25.30 | rainabba | Even though it's in squeeze(testing) only? |
| 08:25.38 | SingAlong | lindi-: its a vps. so only i'm using it. i'm trying to set this coz running a command without sudo found the var but running a command without sudo doesnt find the var when used in the user's .profile |
| 08:26.07 | babilen | rainabba: It's squeeze (which is testing at the moment) |
| 08:26.09 | lindi- | SingAlong: sudo starts a new shell, it's not interactive |
| 08:26.15 | rainabba | babilen: ahh |
| 08:26.24 | lindi- | SingAlong: bash.bashrc is for interactive shells |
| 08:27.10 | SingAlong | lindi-: so how can i fix this? |
| 08:27.20 | babilen | rainabba: You typically want to have the real names (lenny, squeeze, ...) in your sources.list, because you would run into problems once the stable/testing/... labels point somewhere else :) |
| 08:27.55 | SingAlong | lindi-: any other place to put this into for non-interactive shell? |
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| 08:29.35 | SingAlong | Where should i place env vars for non-interactive shells? |
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| 08:31.22 | lindi- | SingAlong: man bash has a lot of details on different cases. do you really want to set this variable globally and not just for this single sudo invocation? |
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| 08:31.41 | lindi- | SingAlong: sudo sh -c 'FOO=bar quux'? |
| 08:32.18 | SingAlong | lindi-: not for single invocation. need that to be global |
| 08:32.20 | rainabba | When I run "apt-get build-dep <packname>" I don't need to specify more so that it's know that I'm targeting a package from sqeeze (when I'm on lenny)? |
| 08:35.07 | Psi-Jack | lindi-: Yeah... Well, /etc/bashrc, is the default where bash usually looks for that. |
| 08:35.14 | pawal | How do I find out what packages has been recently updated on a system? |
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| 08:35.22 | Psi-Jack | But, since Debian patches things like no tomorrow, it's obviously different. ;) |
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| 08:35.41 | babilen | rainabba: The latest source package depending on your configured repositories will be used, but the build-deps are satisfied from your target release |
| 08:35.46 | cast | pawal: aptitude keeps logs, maybe via logs |
| 08:35.56 | pawal | I use apt-get... |
| 08:35.56 | babilen | pawal: Check /var/log/aptitude |
| 08:36.26 | babilen | pawal: Then, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:36.31 | cast | pawal: i thought people were supposed to stop using that since woody came out ^_^ |
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| 08:36.57 | pawal | thanks |
| 08:37.18 | pawal | cast: they were? so why do people write "apt-get" everywhere? |
| 08:37.37 | OpenTokix | I always use apt-get, it works for me(tm) |
| 08:37.39 | cast | pawal: inertia, i think it was the woody release notes |
| 08:37.44 | rainabba | babilen: Not sure I follow completely. There's not a 'automake1.11' package that I see with apt-cache search so I'm specifying just 'automake'. Source will be retrieved for the latest version I have setup in source.list (which will be 1.11 from squeeze)? |
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| 08:38.10 | babilen | cast: yes (AFAIR) |
| 08:38.18 | babilen | cast: ENICK :) |
| 08:38.22 | babilen | rainabba: ^^^ |
| 08:38.45 | rainabba | :) |
| 08:39.18 | beardy | No. It was the sarge release-notes. |
| 08:39.33 | rainabba | apt-get -b source automake refers to 1.10 and results in errors anyway :( |
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| 08:39.41 | beardy | Still some time ago. |
| 08:39.42 | cast | beardy: you live up to your nick :) |
| 08:40.29 | pawal | So why even include apt-get in squeeze? Shouldn't it be deprecated? |
| 08:40.35 | beardy | cast: Heh, I do? |
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| 08:41.57 | beardy | pawal: Because backwards compatability is good, and you are trusted to have a clue and read release notes, or atleast pick it up in a couple of years. dselect is also still there, but not many use it. It's very bad to remove things too quick. |
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| 08:42.38 | beardy | You can still use backticks in bash too. But you shouldn't. |
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| 08:46.32 | beardy | AFAIK the only way to fix a fscked database is to use apt-get update to rebuild it too. |
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| 08:50.18 | lindi- | aptitude is also horribly slow :( |
| 08:51.05 | Zone | so's democracy, but it works well |
| 08:51.08 | babilen | lindi-: It is not - the problem is that it has to load the database. If you use the TUI it will only be loaded once |
| 08:51.42 | cast | well, that reason for it being slow does not make it not slow :P |
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| 08:52.15 | babilen | yes, i just realised that as well - should have phrased that differently. ;) |
| 08:52.33 | lindi- | babilen: apt-cache search vs. aptitude search has a clear difference |
| 08:53.21 | cast | i quite like aptitude search since it tells me when things are already installed |
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| 08:53.50 | babilen | lindi-: aptitude search has much more elaborate search patterns - but we don't have to discuss this, as we all experience the same behaviour. Use the right tool for the job :) |
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| 08:54.47 | babilen | lindi-: Which also means that you want to use aptitude for package installation/upgrades/... because its resolvers are *much* better than the ones in apt-get |
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| 08:55.38 | lindi- | babilen: that won't help if my battery runs out before I can install the package :) |
| 08:55.55 | babilen | lindi-: har har har |
| 08:56.14 | lindi- | babilen: it is a real problem on openmoko |
| 08:56.37 | babilen | lindi-: Then don't use it on OpenMoko |
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| 08:56.57 | lindi- | I like to be able to use the same basic tools on all systems :) |
| 08:57.52 | Sazpaimon_ | "echo foo | 7za a -si -so > /dev/null" does this not work for anyone else as well? |
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| 08:58.32 | babilen | lindi-: Use the right tools for the job - There will be no tool that can satisfy all your needs, because some of them might even be contradictory |
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| 08:59.14 | cast | 7zr? |
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| 08:59.37 | cast | or did you mean 7za, Sazpaimon_ |
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| 09:00.02 | cast | salvin: besides, just use lzma :) |
| 09:00.11 | Sazpaimon_ | echo foo | 7zr a -si -so > /dev/null does the same thing |
| 09:00.38 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, does lzma give the same compression ratio as 7zip? |
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| 09:00.50 | cast | Sazpaimon_: heh, yes, the same. |
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| 09:00.55 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm compressing a dd image of an entire drive, so large compression is needed |
| 09:01.03 | cast | Sazpaimon_: this would be because 7zip uses lzma |
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| 09:02.14 | cast | if its a big drive you might start to cry about compression speed |
| 09:02.19 | lindi- | babilen: in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317841 i used ptrace to see that for example hitting the "M" key in TUI requires a lot more than 1494401 instructions and takes almost a second |
| 09:02.37 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, is lzma multithreaded or will it use just 1 cpu? |
| 09:02.47 | cast | probably single threaded |
| 09:02.54 | Sazpaimon_ | 7za, iirc can use multiple cpus |
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| 09:03.22 | cast | there's pbzip2, too |
| 09:03.48 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah only 1 cpu |
| 09:03.58 | cast | ahh, does 7za use multiple cpus? |
| 09:03.58 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, yeah but bzip is the worst of both worlds |
| 09:04.10 | babilen | lindi-: Nobody is forcing you to use it. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:04.10 | Sazpaimon_ | bad compression and long compression time |
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| 09:04.50 | cast | if it is a problem, one could always split the drive into parts and compress in parallel that way |
| 09:05.05 | lindi- | babilen: make it faster |
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| 09:05.27 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, how would I write that out |
| 09:05.32 | pinoyoragon | I already installed and populated my ldap db but when i try to invoke this command -->ldapsearch -xLLL -b cn=config -D cn=admin,cn=config -W olcDatabase=hdb olcAccess, I get an "Invalid credentials (49)" error. Why is that? |
| 09:05.32 | babilen | lindi-: Download its source, talk with daniel and start implementing |
| 09:05.40 | Sazpaimon_ | i know I run split |
| 09:05.46 | cast | Sazpaimon_: with dd and skip |
| 09:05.52 | lindi- | babilen: yep there's already http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/aptitude-0.4.11.11-optimize.patch written by a friend of mine |
| 09:05.53 | Zone | geeks. they take more time obsessing over the how to compress a drive image than it would take to send it via UPS. |
| 09:06.13 | cast | Zone: you're making a lot of assumptions |
| 09:06.37 | Sazpaimon_ | dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 | lzma -c -9 | split -b 2048m - /mnt/backup-sda.lz |
| 09:06.45 | cast | Zone: spending time thinking about a problem is generally much less pain than just storming in and doing the first thing thatcomes to mind ;) |
| 09:06.45 | Sazpaimon_ | but this won't archive multiple files at once |
| 09:06.54 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, how would I use skip here? |
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| 09:07.24 | cast | Sazpaimon_: have one dd copy the first half of the drive, have another dd copy the second half |
| 09:07.40 | babilen | lindi-: That is great. See, I appreciate your actions (and those of your friends) but there is not much *I* can do right now. If I'm asked which package manager to use, i'll recommend aptitude for a variety of reasons. If a user decides to use something else: well, everybody can do whatever (s)he wants. I have no problem with that :) |
| 09:07.52 | cast | Zone: theres plenty of reasons UPS would not be viable |
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| 09:08.01 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess that can work |
| 09:08.15 | babilen | lindi-: Does Daniel know about that patch? |
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| 09:08.52 | Sazpaimon_ | i want to be sure i get the exact number of blocks though |
| 09:08.59 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: this might be obvious, but make sure to zero all the empty space on the drive before compressing it as an image |
| 09:09.06 | cast | indeed, unix isn't kind to fuckups |
| 09:09.18 | Sazpaimon_ | Trewas, is there a utility for this? |
| 09:09.38 | cast | Trewas: presuming hes not trying to recover something :) |
| 09:09.46 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm not |
| 09:09.47 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: cat for example (cat /dev/zero > a-big-file; rm a-big-file) |
| 09:09.51 | Sazpaimon_ | just routine backups |
| 09:10.02 | cast | why are you copying a drive? |
| 09:10.11 | Sazpaimon_ | I need to boot it in vmware |
| 09:10.17 | cast | ahh. scary stuffs. |
| 09:10.37 | Sazpaimon_ | there's a problem with grub or the kernel, and I can't figure out what. It's a remote machine so i figure booting the machine in vmware will give me an idea of what's wrong |
| 09:10.51 | Sazpaimon_ | that way I can at least see grub output |
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| 09:11.03 | lindi- | babilen: yep i think it was discussed during debconf9 |
| 09:11.12 | cast | no serial console huh :( |
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| 09:12.30 | cast | i wonder, if thats your only goal how much of the drive you need to copy |
| 09:12.59 | Sazpaimon_ | cast, assuming the kernel might be anywhere on the drive |
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| 09:13.23 | Sazpaimon_ | Trewas, this is really slow |
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| 09:14.10 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: but MUCH faster than compressing the drive, and it will compress better when all the "empty" space is actually empty |
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| 09:18.09 | OpenTokix | Anyone know if there is some file I can add ulimit-statements in sme file, without editing /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 09:18.10 | Zone | I knew UPS would be faster. Just put yourself in a box and ship it to the DC, grub output will be visible then |
| 09:18.12 | OpenTokix | ? |
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| 09:18.38 | Zone | OpenTokix, are you trying to raise the file descriptors limit? |
| 09:18.46 | OpenTokix | Zone: yes, and memory |
| 09:18.54 | OpenTokix | ulimit -n 4096 |
| 09:18.55 | OpenTokix | ulimit -d 256000 |
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| 09:19.22 | Zone | OpenTokix, for file descriptors there is an /etc/mysql/my.cnf setting that will request more FD's when starting (as root) |
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| 09:19.41 | Zone | may be one for memory too, not sure |
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| 09:19.47 | OpenTokix | Zone: yes, but will that change the ulimit? |
| 09:19.50 | Sazpaimon_ | also, i thought ext3 wasnt as prone to fragmentation |
| 09:20.10 | OpenTokix | Zone: Just tought if it was some /etc/supervars/mysql or something, I can edit the init-script - no problem |
| 09:20.21 | Zone | OpenTokix, in effect, yes. it's making the request as root, so the ulimit becomes irrelavent |
| 09:20.31 | cast | Sazpaimon_: compared to FAT....sure :) |
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| 09:20.45 | Sazpaimon_ | so won't the effect I get of zeroing out empty space be minimal at best, if I never lost space on my drive, but rather deleted files and put new ones up all the time |
| 09:21.03 | OpenTokix | Zone: ok, thanks |
| 09:21.12 | Zone | OpenTokix, and are you actually running into a data segment limit? I've never heard of that being an issue. |
| 09:21.47 | OpenTokix | Zone: yes, it's a rather big database that we do huge binary blob queries to. |
| 09:21.50 | whatt | hi guys. I have a proble. Squeeze installed yesterday with my older /home in ext4. I had a backup of my /home so after the installation I copied back some files I had in the backup to the /home. Now when I boot it says the my user has not the right to write some files in the /home. |
| 09:21.55 | Sazpaimon_ | and since I'm going to do this anyway, i may as well just gzip this |
| 09:22.02 | whatt | which are the right permissions to give to the /home dir? |
| 09:22.07 | OpenTokix | Zone: The tables have several hundred million rows |
| 09:22.10 | Zellous | When I am in the Lenny Live CD I can't access my Windows partitions. It states I don't have permissions. |
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| 09:22.27 | wipped | need help with dhcp config |
| 09:22.31 | Zone | OpenTokix, yes, but the -d is for the programs data segment, has nothing to do with the data in the database |
| 09:22.55 | wipped | can anybody help me with my dhcp config |
| 09:22.57 | OpenTokix | Zone: its for the packet limit apparantly, got it from mysql help |
| 09:23.26 | whatt | which are the right permissions to give to the /home dir? |
| 09:23.32 | wipped | need help with dhcp config |
| 09:23.51 | Zone | OpenTokix, hmm, my ulimit for an ordinary user gives unlimited, that might be why I've never seen the problem :) |
| 09:24.00 | Zone | ulimit -d that is |
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| 09:25.28 | OpenTokix | Zone: ok |
| 09:25.42 | OpenTokix | Zone: maybe it's a non-issue |
| 09:25.45 | Zone | OpenTokix, actually, I'm calling BS on that MySQL tip until I hear it actually works. just doesn't make sense. |
| 09:27.08 | whatt | which are the right permissions to give to the /home dir? |
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| 09:27.27 | OpenTokix | Zone: fair enough, the FD's seems to work atleast |
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| 09:36.01 | whatt | hi guys. Which are the right permissions to give to /home? I have it setted to 700 and some files (like .dmrc to 644). But the owner of some files is still root and not my user. Is it right? Should my user be the owner of all /home files? |
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| 09:37.03 | cybor0 | 755 |
| 09:37.23 | rainabba | Each user (except root) should have their own directory under /home (like /home/myuser) and they should own that one. |
| 09:37.40 | simonrvn | whatt: /home itself shouldn't be fucked with. your home you can set to whatever, but things may break. |
| 09:38.03 | whatt | what you mean by things can break? |
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| 09:39.46 | simonrvn | what, you want examples? |
| 09:39.58 | simonrvn | (pardon the pun with your nick) |
| 09:41.22 | simonrvn | mail, cron, and a number of other things. most things you can configure for, but it's easier to just leave them at the defaults until you get the hang of it. |
| 09:42.17 | whatt | ok I have to explain better sorry. I had my older /home ext4 with ubuntu. I backed it up just to be safe. Then installed deb squeeze holding my older /home. |
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| 09:42.34 | whatt | When I booted the first time it deleted some older directories |
| 09:42.49 | whatt | so I copied them back as root inside the /home ( from the backup ) |
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| 09:43.41 | whatt | and I was fucked up at the next boot ( gdm says permissions error ). So now I chown -R myuser /home/myuser and chmod -R 700 /home/myuser |
| 09:44.11 | whatt | I just wanted to know if it's right or not |
| 09:44.22 | jack-_- | sounds right :) |
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| 09:44.32 | aburch | whatt: No. There is no need to set the execute bit for all files. |
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| 09:44.53 | whatt | aburch, so 644? |
| 09:44.55 | jelly | out of bot experience? |
| 09:45.08 | jack-_- | ah right |
| 09:45.30 | aburch | whatt: No. You want to keep the x bit as before. |
| 09:46.11 | aburch | whatt: chown should be enough (different uid on old vs. new system), but why should the permissions suddenly be broken? |
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| 09:46.52 | whatt | because I copied back as a root some files from the backup to the /home |
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| 09:48.33 | aburch | whatt: If they are really wrong, you likly want something like chmod u=rwX,go= |
| 09:49.17 | whatt | can I paste my ls -l? |
| 09:50.16 | akegata | Is it possible to see which md array a partition thinks it belongs to somehow? |
| 09:50.33 | wols_ | !tell whatt about paste |
| 09:50.35 | aburch | whatt: On a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) and then send the URL. |
| 09:50.59 | whatt | yeah I know here it is http://pastebin.com/9GpvWCYj |
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| 09:51.53 | Zone | akegata, yes, that is stored in the array info on the drive. use mdadm to see it. |
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| 09:54.41 | akegata | Zone: Ah, missed the query option, thanks. |
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| 09:56.12 | akegata | Hmm..this is weird. I have a raid 5 array with 8 drives that I've moved to a new computer. When I run mdadm -As it says " assembled from 6 drives - not enough to start the array", even though all 8 drives are there.. |
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| 09:56.40 | akegata | When I run mdadm --query on each drive, they all say they belong to the array in question. |
| 09:57.08 | akegata | Oh, wait..crap.. |
| 09:57.31 | akegata | Two of the drives report the UUID of the array differently than the other ones. Is it possible to edit that manually? |
| 09:57.45 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 09:59.16 | row | I am allowing key forwarding when I ssh into a server but then want to run a command as sudo that uses my key, anyway of doing that? :P |
| 09:59.44 | whatt | aburch, http://pastebin.com/9GpvWCYj |
| 09:59.49 | cast | you can point ssh to whatever key you want |
| 10:00.02 | cast | ssh -i |
| 10:00.20 | aburch | whatt: /home/surf itself look ok the way it is now. |
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| 10:00.40 | whatt | aburch, ok thx |
| 10:00.47 | row | cast: I am using key forwarding though well in putty it is called agent forwarding. My key is not on the server I am using sudo on. |
| 10:01.11 | cast | ahh, then, no, i dont think so |
| 10:01.40 | row | cast: ah k, I shall change the perms on this directory then, no biggy, trying to use svn+ssh, thanks for help :) |
| 10:02.19 | cast | see, when you ssh into a server, it should certainly not have a copy of your private key, it doesn't need it and if it has it it presents a security issue |
| 10:02.54 | row | cast: indeed, hence I do forwarding, this is not a huge problem really, just thoght if sudo can handle it rather do it that way :) |
| 10:04.12 | krion | hi |
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| 10:17.56 | xro | hi, i have a basic question... a have to start a python script througth ssh... how can i start it and quit my ssh shell (my script need to continue) |
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| 10:18.51 | Pierreb | if you are lazy make a screen session |
| 10:19.02 | wols_ | xro: nohup <command> |
| 10:20.35 | xro | wols_, nohup python myScript.py & and quit? |
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| 10:28.38 | Zenox | I want to use repos from this site http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian , but just the vlc part (don't want the rest in Lenny as there are so many new). How would I go about doing this? |
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| 10:30.11 | surf | Hi guys. I have a problem. Fresh install of debian squeeze 64bit. Everytime I download smt or do something with the net I get 100% of both cpus for the udevd --daemon going going 100%. I had the same problem with ubuntu so I decided to try deb but same thing! |
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| 10:32.51 | wols_ | surf: have you tried debian STABLE? |
| 10:32.59 | surf | yes |
| 10:33.01 | surf | same thing |
| 10:33.09 | surf | also ubuntu 9.04 / 9.10 |
| 10:33.22 | surf | 32 / 64 bit |
| 10:33.28 | wols_ | !enter |
| 10:33.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:34.01 | surf | when I boot I can see many messages about udevd daemon. But I can't read carefully because they're coming down fast. Where can I find logs for the boot session? |
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| 10:36.57 | surf | any idea guys? Where can I see the boot logs? |
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| 10:39.25 | Zone | surf, dmesg |
| 10:40.04 | wols_ | !bootlog |
| 10:40.04 | dpkg | hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 10:40.15 | Zone | Zenox, look up pinning |
| 10:40.32 | surf | http://pastebin.com/2y1pqBsb |
| 10:40.43 | developer | I can't connect to mysql on my debian comp from a remote computer, it says "could not connect" when Im trying throug mysql query browser |
| 10:41.21 | Zone | developer, the default for MySQL is to bind only to localhost. /etc/mysql/my.cnf to change that. |
| 10:41.32 | developer | thanks |
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| 10:41.57 | cast | and then disconnect your computer from the internet before you become part of a botnet |
| 10:42.00 | surf | wols_, ok turned on. I reboot now |
| 10:42.17 | Zone | he's binding MySQL, not IIS |
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| 10:52.14 | surf | wols_, ok did it. Now what shall I paste? I saw that the message is talkin about udev and changing some ATTR{} ... |
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| 10:54.16 | wols_ | Zone: anyone who lets mysql listen on a public socket is terminally insane. but then we talk about developer here |
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| 10:54.55 | madmuppet006 | I have just installed the fglrx drivers but when I used aticonfig --initial I got an error saying unable to find any Screen sections .. I have checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf and there is a section for screen .. any hints on where to find some answers appreciated |
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| 10:55.54 | Cope_ | What's the story with Xen on Squeeze? I don't see a kernel... and I've heard rumours of Xen support being dropped at some stage |
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| 10:56.49 | zxd | debootstrap lenny --arch=amd64 ./ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 10:56.49 | zxd | E: Couldn't work out current architecture |
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| 10:57.45 | CyberDomovoy | hello |
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| 10:58.38 | pom | Is it only pap that can be used together with /etc/passwd when vpn'ing? |
| 10:58.45 | D4T | hi all, anyone using SSD drives in their servers here? any recommendations to which to go for? There are a lot of early articles that are scaring me and im semi-reluctant to use them in a production environment tbh |
| 10:58.48 | surf | wols_, I found it in syslog... can you take a look over here? Search for udev http://pastebin.com/E7d0Ld53 |
| 10:59.54 | wols_ | D4T: this channel is not ##ahrdware |
| 11:00.07 | D4T | wols_: kk sorry :) |
| 11:00.44 | wols_ | madmuppet006: what debian branch and how did you install your drivers? |
| 11:00.54 | surf | wols_, can I just follow what the log says? I mean changing that in the file |
| 11:01.12 | CyberDomovoy | i'm on a system where dpkg is available, but all its config has been erased; i'd like to use it for installing additional software on that, how can i regenerate its config? and how can i force it to believe a package is installed? (for example, i try to install nano, and it tells me it depends on libc6, wich is installed on that system, but of course dpkg don't know that) |
| 11:02.22 | themill | CyberDomovoy: nothing in /var/backups/? |
| 11:02.33 | surf | Hi here there is my syslog with many udev messages. Does anyone know what are they related to? http://pastebin.com/E7d0Ld53 |
| 11:03.12 | CyberDomovoy | themill, /var/backups doesn't exist |
| 11:04.08 | Mowee | Bonjour ^^ |
| 11:04.35 | themill | CyberDomovoy: oh dear... what did you do to this poor machine? |
| 11:05.16 | CyberDomovoy | themill> nothing, i didn't installed it, it's the system installed on a NAS |
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| 11:06.30 | CyberDomovoy | themill> i'm trying to... "improve" it, the fact that the dpkg binary is here makes me believe they use a debian based distro and modified it |
| 11:06.41 | themill | CyberDomovoy: is it actually debian? or is it some derivative? If it's not really debian, then the people who provided you with this system are probably in a better position to help. In fact, if they're providing a broken mess like this, then you should probably ask them to help you unbreak it |
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| 11:07.42 | CyberDomovoy | themill> this is commercial stuff :) it's actually a Western Digital Sharespace NAS, i don't think WD wil help me hack their system ^^ |
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| 11:09.11 | CyberDomovoy | i mean hack in the sense of making modifications, not breaking into it |
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| 11:10.13 | themill | ! status recovery |
| 11:10.13 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 11:13.23 | krisfremen | hmm, what's an alternative to wget, which has recursive downloading and multiple connections? |
| 11:13.38 | krisfremen | wget has no multiple connections |
| 11:13.52 | krisfremen | aria2 on the other hand has multiple connections, but has no recursive downloading |
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| 11:14.00 | krisfremen | axel the same |
| 11:14.17 | Stereo | krisfremen: I think you can get wget to print out a list of URLs, maybe in debug mode |
| 11:14.18 | CyberDomovoy | themill> aptitude is not there... i guess i'll have to forget the idea tu use dpkg to install something on that stuff... |
| 11:15.02 | krisfremen | i know, but i need an application which i can put in cron |
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| 11:15.06 | Zone | krisfremen, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=parallel+wget |
| 11:15.09 | themill | CyberDomovoy: you can do the same thing with just dpkg and apt-get. |
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| 11:16.45 | themill | CyberDomovoy: it just takes a little more faff than using aptitude. use dpkg --set-selections and then apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 11:17.40 | CyberDomovoy | themill> no /usr/share/doc and no apt |
| 11:18.25 | CyberDomovoy | themill> i'm starting to wonder if it is the debian dpkg, or a program named dpkg made by WD |
| 11:18.40 | themill | I'd assume it's nothing to do with debian at this stage |
| 11:18.59 | Zone | got /usr/bin/strings? |
| 11:19.17 | CyberDomovoy | themill> dpkg --help gives: "dpkg [-ilCPru] [-F option] package_name" |
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| 11:20.26 | krisfremen | Zone: not multiple files, multiple connections to download one file |
| 11:21.31 | Zone | krisfremen, how is using multiple connections to download one file beneficial? |
| 11:21.51 | krisfremen | because the damn server limits connections to 200 kBps |
| 11:22.16 | Zone | and you're trying to get them to limit by IP too, I see |
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| 11:23.10 | krisfremen | it's kind of my own server |
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| 11:23.33 | krisfremen | but i don't have sudo access to it, so i can't do anything to change that |
| 11:24.26 | Zone | if you have access to the server, doesn't that imply you have local access to the file? you could start your own web server instance that doesn't limit speed |
| 11:25.07 | krisfremen | i am running my own instance of lighttpd, it's still limiting the connections |
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| 11:26.39 | pom | Isn't there any better way to store chap-secret passwords than in plain-text in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets ? Seems ridiculous that anyone with root access just can see any VPN-users choice of password. |
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| 11:27.05 | cast | root sees all |
| 11:27.08 | surf | what do you have in 50-udev-default.rules (in /lib/udev/rules.d/) after SYMLINK? Because if I remove (unique) I stop getting warning messages during boot. Can you tell me what you have? |
| 11:27.21 | cast | and how else would you store them? |
| 11:27.27 | pom | cast: As a hash. |
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| 11:28.22 | cast | am i to presume this is the password for a VPN encrypted session? |
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| 11:29.20 | pom | Not sure. What you are suggesting? |
| 11:30.06 | themill | Doesn't the server need the plain-text password in order to do the CHAP challenge-response routine? |
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| 11:30.57 | pom | themill: I don't know. Maybe that is the reason. |
| 11:31.26 | surf | I have a problem with the udev --daemon. Each time I use the net I get 100% cpu |
| 11:31.44 | pom | That would explain why PAP-auth comes with /etc/passwd-support |
| 11:32.39 | themill | pom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge-handshake_authentication_protocol |
| 11:32.40 | jelly | ,versions amarok |
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| 11:32.42 | judd | amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1; etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1; lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; sid: 2.3.0-1; squeeze: 2.3.0-1 |
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| 11:36.41 | Oscar` | Hello. Does anyone have any idea why recent versions of compat-wireless do not work older kernels 27-30. The issue is after compile and install, it fails to load the firmware. |
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| 11:37.12 | Oscar` | Whereas compat-wireless releases from few months back don't have this problem. |
| 11:37.39 | pom | themill: waddaya know. There I have it. Thanks. |
| 11:37.48 | themill | np |
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| 11:41.48 | DelTree | why the hell is now gnash made mandatory ? |
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| 11:42.15 | themill | it's not? |
| 11:42.27 | babilen | DelTree: It is not mandatory .. It might however be a dependency of one of the metapackages *you* installed |
| 11:43.09 | babilen | DelTree: If you want to find out why it was installed run "aptitude why gnash" |
| 11:43.15 | DelTree | babilen: yes... of gnome... but when I aptitude remove it... it wants to remove 375 packages... everythin in a word... |
| 11:43.19 | \amethyst | DelTree: because you installed the includes-the-kitchen-sink 'gnome' package rather than the less dependency-heavy 'gnome-desktop-environment' |
| 11:43.23 | DelTree | +g |
| 11:43.35 | babilen | DelTree: Install one of the "lighter" meta packages |
| 11:43.39 | babilen | !tell DelTree -about install gnome |
| 11:43.53 | \amethyst | DelTree: try aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome then remove gnash |
| 11:43.59 | \amethyst | DelTree: it should remove fewer packages then |
| 11:44.14 | babilen | DelTree: And "aptitude unmarkauto <pkg>" packages you want to keep - You can then safely remove the gnome metapackage |
| 11:44.31 | DelTree | eeek... |
| 11:44.41 | \amethyst | DelTree: that marks the things that 'gnome' depends on as 'manually installed' so that removing gnash (and by extension 'gnome') won't remove so many other things |
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| 11:45.42 | babilen | \amethyst: Nice one - Have to keep that in mind. Although it might not always be what you want if your goal is to slim down Gnome. ;) |
| 11:45.48 | DelTree | eeek eeek eeek |
| 11:46.01 | babilen | DelTree: Everything alright? |
| 11:46.43 | DelTree | I just don't know... |
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| 11:47.08 | DelTree | looks like the aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome did some good... |
| 11:48.12 | surf | I have a problem with the udev --daemon. Each time I use the net I get 100% cpu |
| 11:48.17 | babilen | DelTree: I would just install one of the lighter metapackages and unmarkauto the packages you want to keep, but that is a different path from the one you've taken right now. |
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| 11:48.57 | DelTree | babilen: to be honest... I'm just *lost* right now... |
| 11:49.28 | DelTree | seeing flash activated and ruining my iceweasel was something of shock... |
| 11:49.34 | babilen | DelTree: OK - Paste the output of your command to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) so we can take a look |
| 11:49.53 | babilen | DelTree: Relax - Everything is fine :) |
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| 11:50.35 | DelTree | now it wants to remove 16 packages... much better... but I still don't know if I should remove them... |
| 11:50.56 | dxr | hi!, i am using debhelper version: 7.4.15 and i get rules file "empty". last week i dont it in stable and i didn't have any problem. Somebody can help me please? |
| 11:51.06 | babilen | DelTree: Paste the list - and we can take a look. |
| 11:51.30 | DelTree | gdebi{u} gdebi-core{u} gnash gnash-common gnome{a} gnome-office{u} gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3{u} gthumb{u} gthumb-data{u} libboost-date-time1.40.0{u} libboost-thread1.40.0{u} liferea{u} liferea-data{u} mozilla-plugin-gnash update-notifier{u} update-notifier-common{u} |
| 11:51.50 | babilen | looks ok |
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| 11:52.42 | DelTree | ok... anyway I guess (when I start to calm down)... that if I want one of those back I can aptitude install them later... |
| 11:52.46 | babilen | And you can always install removed packages later on if you realise that you miss them |
| 11:52.51 | babilen | DelTree: Sure |
| 11:53.05 | babilen | hands DelTree a glass of water |
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| 11:53.20 | DelTree | thanks... |
| 11:53.21 | cristi8 | where do i put a kernel module's default parameters? |
| 11:53.29 | DelTree | good thing you helped me there... |
| 11:53.43 | DelTree | I was close to nervous breakdown... |
| 11:54.08 | babilen | DelTree: Good you came here :) |
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| 11:54.33 | cristi8 | babilen is a good helper :) also helped me yesterday |
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| 11:55.28 | babilen | looks as \amethyst |
| 11:55.49 | babilen | Anyway - time for a cigarette. Have a good time and until later :) |
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| 11:58.02 | surf | I have a problem with the udev --daemon. Each time I use the net I get 100% cpu |
| 11:58.04 | \amethyst | babilen: sorry, was afk. If your goal is to slim down gnome, perhaps aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment gnome- (the trailing hyphen removes the package) |
| 11:58.42 | babilen | \amethyst: no no - I just wanted to point out that you came up with a nice solution as well |
| 11:59.13 | dxr | could somebody help me with once debhelper error? i think it can be a bug. |
| 11:59.50 | zrin | I have a remote system where / (/dev/hda1) was remounted ro due to I/O errors; I've copied /dev/hda1 (to /dev/md2) and repaired it; is there a way to switch to it and unmount /dev/hda1? (without rebooting) |
| 11:59.54 | \amethyst | dxr: if you can't find help here, you can try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (n.b. a different IRC network from the one you're one) |
| 12:00.17 | dxr | thanks \amethyst |
| 12:00.19 | Psi-Jack- | surf: Likely the problem is in udevd itself. |
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| 12:01.05 | surf | Psi-Jack-, what you mean? I had the same situation under ubuntu 9.04 - 9.10. No way to exit if not killin the process manually |
| 12:01.45 | Psi-Jack- | surf: Well, being Debian Squeeze, you deserve to get it, running unstable like that. |
| 12:01.59 | Psi-Jack- | surf: Why don't you try Debian Lenny, for now, until things pan out to be reliable later? |
| 12:02.05 | surf | same thing |
| 12:02.46 | Psi-Jack- | If that's the case, you have something seriously wrong with your system |
| 12:02.56 | roten | surf, check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8775007 |
| 12:03.21 | roten | surf, it says : sudo service udev stop |
| 12:03.26 | Psi-Jack- | washes off his eyeballs with a rag and looks again. |
| 12:03.36 | Psi-Jack- | Did I seriously just see an ubuntu related link in #debian? |
| 12:04.10 | roten | Psi-Jack-, dont wash, just open |
| 12:04.19 | Psi-Jack- | heh |
| 12:04.29 | Psi-Jack- | I don't wear glasses or contacts, so had to immitate that idea. :p |
| 12:04.32 | Psi-Jack- | heh |
| 12:05.03 | roten | that link worked for me. |
| 12:05.15 | Psi-Jack- | But disabling udevd altogether is NOT a fix. |
| 12:05.22 | Psi-Jack- | It's a bandaid for a very baaad problem. |
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| 12:05.34 | isfranc | hello |
| 12:05.41 | roten | yep. it says that it may be a kernel issue. so maybe common for debian and ubuntu |
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| 12:06.04 | surf | what if I install BSD kernel? |
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| 12:06.29 | babilen | dxr: What do you mean by empty? debhelper 7 changes a lot of things and the rules file was slimmed down a lot. There was a nice talk about it in debconf9. https://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/418.en.html |
| 12:06.55 | dxr | aha i will read |
| 12:07.15 | isfranc | i have a probleme in custom kernel at boot FATAL : modprobe : xxxxxx modules.deps no such file xxxxx, but i have this /lib/modules/directory and i have create initrd.img ? |
| 12:07.28 | surf | I just can't understand with periferic is causing this problem |
| 12:07.52 | surf | how can I try BSD kernel? |
| 12:08.31 | \amethyst | surf: you'd reinstall Debian, but use the kfreebsd architecture instead of i386 or amd64 |
| 12:08.41 | surf | I must reinstall? |
| 12:08.45 | \amethyst | surf: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 12:08.46 | babilen | dxr: Ah, i see that you already get help in #d-m. Good luck! |
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| 12:08.50 | \amethyst | surf: yes, you're changing operating systems |
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| 12:09.21 | dxr | babilen, thanls ;) |
| 12:09.21 | surf | \amethyst, ok I thought it was just a kernel but in fact it's a port so :/ |
| 12:09.21 | \amethyst | surf: it might be simpler to see if there is already a Debian kernel package with the patch |
| 12:09.30 | surf | doesn't seem so |
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| 12:09.38 | \amethyst | surf: otherwise, you might have to build one yourself |
| 12:09.50 | surf | \amethyst, or at least I can't see the solution myself |
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| 12:11.01 | mo | im trying apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` but apt results in a linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
| 12:11.16 | mo | why is that? I need the headers to install nvidia graphic driver |
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| 12:12.06 | wols_ | mo: use a current debian kernel |
| 12:12.35 | mo | ok |
| 12:13.26 | bolt | is /tmp cleared automatically on boot? |
| 12:13.33 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:13.35 | xand | bolt: I believe so. |
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| 12:14.45 | bolt | what does that? |
| 12:14.58 | micols | anybody know how to nat forward ipv6 with a sixxs interface to a lan interface (lan clients) ? (as in have tried it themselves) ? |
| 12:15.30 | bolt | (no, i'm not about to stop it from doing so, i'm just curious) :) |
| 12:15.36 | \amethyst | bolt: /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh |
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| 12:15.50 | \amethyst | bolt: the actual 'rm' command is in /lib/init/bootclean.sh |
| 12:16.26 | babilen | bolt: If you want to change that edit the value of TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 12:16.53 | bolt | \amethyst, babilen: thanks! :D |
| 12:16.56 | \amethyst | bolt: (ah, it's a find -delete rather than rm ) |
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| 12:18.25 | babilen | micols: Try #debian-ipv6 @ irc.oftc.net, also see http://ipv6.debian.net and #ipv6 here on freenode |
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| 12:21.28 | siOux_ | good morning.. |
| 12:21.40 | babilen | moin! |
| 12:24.59 | siOux_ | i had installed the apache2, but my co-worker, removed the apache the wrong way. When i try to install apache2, it was installed "correct", but when i check status of apache, this show this message "/etc/apache2/envvars: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado" |
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| 12:25.58 | babilen | !tell siOux_ -about localised errors |
| 12:26.21 | siOux_ | i try to uninstall with command "apt-get --purge remove apache2" |
| 12:26.30 | siOux_ | and remove "correct" |
| 12:26.50 | siOux_ | but when i install again, the error continuos |
| 12:26.54 | babilen | siOux_: You want back to the original configuration as shipped by the maintainer? |
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| 12:28.22 | babilen | !tell siOux_ -about confmiss |
| 12:28.42 | babilen | siOux_: You might want to move the configuration that is in place before that. |
| 12:28.44 | siOux_ | babilen i want back default configuration... |
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| 12:29.34 | babilen | siOux_: The package that contains the configuration files is apache2.2-common |
| 12:30.16 | siOux_ | thats ok, i try to install with "apt-get install apache2.2-common |
| 12:30.19 | babilen | siOux_: You would have to purge that (apt-get purge/aptitude purge) or just reinstall it, but following the steps dpkg just told you about |
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| 12:31.03 | babilen | is still not sure if "confmiss" only works if the config files are *really* missing, but would think so. Any ideas? |
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| 12:32.49 | siOux_ | babilen that´s ok |
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| 12:45.14 | siOux_ | babilen It´s Works, thank very much |
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| 12:50.36 | isfranc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.59 | mo | wols_: im running testing.. still doesnt work |
| 12:51.30 | mo | tv1:~# apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 12:51.36 | mo | linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
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| 12:52.07 | \amethyst | mo: you're using an out-of-date kernel that's no longer available in Debian |
| 12:52.16 | mo | \amethyst: its a fresh install of testing |
| 12:52.36 | mo | and its updated to newest packages |
| 12:52.45 | jelly | "no it's not" |
| 12:52.50 | \amethyst | mo: hm, 2.6.30 isn't available in testing anymore |
| 12:52.56 | mo | ok |
| 12:52.59 | jelly | .kernels |
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| 12:53.02 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 12:53.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:53.24 | mo | i'll dist upgrade it then |
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| 12:53.32 | jelly | mo: install and use that .32 one listed for squeeze |
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| 12:54.10 | \amethyst | mo: you *might* be able to find the -kbuild-2.6.30 package on one of the CDs you installed from, but not if it's a netinst |
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| 12:55.04 | \amethyst | mo: upgrading the kernel is probably a better bet. Make sure you go ahead and install the headers and kbuild when you first install the kernel, so that even if a new version replaces it you'll still be able to build modules for the old version |
| 12:55.14 | mo | ok |
| 12:55.30 | mo | i thought the cd was 5.0 stable =) |
| 12:55.35 | mo | to many cd's laying around =) |
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| 12:58.28 | Rprp` | Hello - I've just converted my filesystem to ext4 up from ext3, compiled kernel and such. Everything booted fine and is working, but how can I check to see if its mounted ext4? (fdisk -l gives only some block info.) |
| 12:58.54 | Bushmills | mount |
| 12:59.21 | Rprp` | ah.. mmm.. that was simple, thanks ;p |
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| 13:03.35 | developer | I have a java program which runs alot of mysql steps and eventually sends a mail notification to a user. This program runs flawless on my windows and debian computer. But the mail stepp fails on my debian computer. |
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| 13:03.59 | developer | I get the ERROR - Problem while sending message: javax.mail.MessagingException: 501 5.0.0 HELO requires domain address |
| 13:04.28 | developer | I guess this is something that I need to configure manually in debian |
| 13:04.43 | kamsky | hi, im using kvm + libvirt in debian 5, all is fine, bot some thing does not work, like: save, reboot, migrate... it says something like: |
| 13:04.45 | kamsky | libvirt qemu error this function is not supported by the hypervisor |
| 13:04.54 | kamsky | some idea? |
| 13:05.51 | Bushmills | developer: your "a java program" needs to provide a valid "HELO" address when connecting to the smtp server |
| 13:06.26 | developer | because that error means that the webserver is not seeing my domain name |
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| 13:06.55 | Bushmills | nothing to do with web server. there is "a java program" which does the sending |
| 13:07.21 | Bushmills | and there is the smtp server which accepts (or in this case, doesn't) the message |
| 13:07.25 | developer | don't think it's something has to do with the program because it sends the mail when itäs run on windows |
| 13:07.41 | Bushmills | if you say so |
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| 13:08.09 | developer | I heard that debian does something with java mail sendings |
| 13:08.41 | Bushmills | smtp server says "provide a correct helo address". that's it. |
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| 13:09.03 | Bushmills | you do -> ok. you don't -> reject |
| 13:09.21 | developer | is it something which I can configure in debian? |
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| 13:09.39 | Bushmills | you can configure your smtp server to not require a valid helo address. |
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| 13:09.52 | Bushmills | though it makes more sense to let the client give one. |
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| 13:09.59 | developer | I though that maybe the program is getting the domain name from a conf file in debian |
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| 13:10.21 | Bushmills | "a java program" evidently doesn't |
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| 13:11.38 | developer | Im thinking of letting the client (my debian comp) giving its address, the mail server is not mine Im just renting a mail space from them |
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| 13:12.07 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am not sure where to ask this. I've got few CSS files, for wich the "file -b -i" command returns: "text/x-c" instead of "text/css"; any ideas what/how to go about this? |
| 13:12.24 | Bushmills | it is the task of the program which connects to the server to provide a correct helo address |
| 13:12.54 | Bushmills | it is *not* the task of the mail server to provide one on its behalf |
| 13:13.10 | \amethyst | developer: there's probably a config file, but it's probably specific to this program or to the mail framework that it uses |
| 13:13.28 | developer | yes my question are if there is a confile in debian which tells the machines domain name? |
| 13:13.35 | Bushmills | it is "a java program", not "this java program" :) |
| 13:14.15 | \amethyst | developer: it can be set and queried with 'hostname'; it's set on boot from /etc/hostname |
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| 13:14.45 | developer | okej Im gonna dick into this a little more, see you later |
| 13:15.46 | abrotman | \amethyst: htf did you decipher that? |
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| 13:17.17 | \amethyst | abrotman: "if there is a confile in debian which tells the machines domain name" I figured "domain name" meant "hostname" |
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| 13:18.32 | abrotman | i meant the one before that ... |
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| 13:22.31 | \amethyst | abrotman: at first I thought he was talking about the "from" address on his mails, then Bushmills pointed out the problem was a bad "HELO", which would usually come from the hostname; when he asked about "confile for domain name", I figured the Java program was probably using the hostname in the HELO string |
| 13:22.52 | \amethyst | and thus he was asking how to set that |
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| 13:23.15 | Guest24181 | 88 |
| 13:24.09 | \amethyst | abrotman: I'm in grad school, so I have like 15 ranks in Incomprehensible Babble (deciphering and generating) |
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| 13:25.01 | developer | exim4 could my answer be resolved there? |
| 13:25.15 | rysiek|pl | developer: uhm.. you might want to "dig" into this, rather than "dick"... ;) |
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| 13:25.43 | \amethyst | developer: yes, you could configure exim4 to use your provider as a smarthost, then send your mail through localhost |
| 13:25.49 | joltcan | there is a /etc/mailname, so maybe you should hav a look in there |
| 13:26.35 | \amethyst | exim4 can also rewrite local addresses to valid external ones |
| 13:27.23 | developer | okej |
| 13:27.30 | \amethyst | ah |
| 13:27.36 | \amethyst | yeah, mailname might be relevant too |
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| 13:28.56 | hramrach | Hello |
| 13:29.13 | hramrach | do we have a serial console in installer? |
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| 13:30.01 | hramrach | I tried setting it up as per some random web pages but it did not look like I got one |
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| 13:30.22 | hramrach | running Debian installer in qemu-system-ppc |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | \amethyst: hehe .. okay |
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| 13:52.16 | efaistos | any idea why I cant start a laptop with ubuntu without GDM ? I only got a black screen ? |
| 13:52.16 | Argafal | hello everyone. we had a dicsussion lately about pdf viewers and "pdf comments/annotations". we figured that new versions of evince seem to support the comments quite well. unfortunately i found an example which is not supported (www.argafal.de/public/test.pdf). reason for posting it here is to ask whether someone knows of any pdf viewer to support those. i will also inform the evince folks of this issue if they don't know already. |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | efaistos: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:52.56 | efaistos | abrotman: they're useless :) |
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| 13:53.08 | abrotman | efaistos: that's great, ask #ubuntu, you're offtopic in this channel |
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| 13:59.17 | hellyeah | hey |
| 13:59.24 | hellyeah | i install win7 again |
| 13:59.31 | hellyeah | but my debian is gone |
| 13:59.33 | Vmanz | lol |
| 13:59.37 | hellyeah | or appears it is gone |
| 13:59.44 | hellyeah | because i didnt see grub |
| 13:59.51 | hellyeah | how can i back grub |
| 13:59.53 | abrotman | windows overwrites your bootloader .. install windows first or learn how to restore grub |
| 14:00.07 | hellyeah | i ask how to restore grub |
| 14:00.09 | hellyeah | :D |
| 14:00.14 | hellyeah | with live cd |
| 14:00.19 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:00.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:00.26 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 14:00.51 | jelly | !fixgrub |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | As root: mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point (where /blah = your / partition) ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; chroot /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR) |
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| 14:04.32 | zrin | what is most similar to pressing the reset button, reboot -n -f ? |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | pulling the plug? |
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| 14:04.52 | zrin | abrotman: remote |
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| 14:06.51 | ZwamKat | zrin: sounds about right. |
| 14:07.00 | zrin | ZwamKat: thank you |
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| 14:08.07 | hellyeah | what do you say about super grub disk |
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| 14:10.46 | developer | Im gettin this error message when I start my computer picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_5.1269526153.png |
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| 14:11.23 | developer | how could I correct that configuration? |
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| 14:13.50 | abrotman | developer: that's not an error |
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| 14:14.38 | developer | Im having problem with sending my domainname in a java program so I though that it could be the problem |
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| 14:15.11 | \amethyst | err |
| 14:15.37 | Tommy_DO | hi, iPod users in #debian. which tool do you use, to load songs up to your ipod? |
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| 14:15.53 | developer | \amethyst: see anything? |
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| 14:16.21 | \amethyst | developer: no, sorry :( |
| 14:16.29 | \amethyst | developer: I typed 'err' in the wrong channel |
| 14:16.33 | CyberDomovoy | is there a way to make qemu use a directory as disk image? |
| 14:16.36 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Rhythmbox supports iPods, Banshee too am sure that amarok does as well. (not sure about recent pods though) |
| 14:16.46 | developer | okej |
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| 14:19.07 | Tommy_DO | babilen: i know that they do, but none of those players does it very well |
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| 14:20.04 | hellyeah | i need support for ipod touch |
| 14:20.38 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Well, get a player that is better supported |
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| 14:20.56 | hellyeah | :D:D:D |
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| 14:21.48 | Tommy_DO | babilen: if banshee, rhythmbox and amarok state that they can handle it... they should. if not, how can i know *which* player is better supported? any other can possibly have the same problems as well |
| 14:22.13 | hellyeah | :XDS |
| 14:22.42 | babilen | Tommy_DO: Most players just mount as normal USB storage and you just copy your songs over there. Some even support ogg/flac (iAudio for example) ... |
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| 14:25.36 | Tommy_DO | gahhhh, banshees ipod support is really really embarassing. it copies files onto the ipod but they dont show up at the device, although my ipod belongs to the "supported models" |
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| 14:26.16 | hellyeah | fdzdfzdfz, |
| 14:26.26 | babilen | The song database is probably not updated .. You might need to install additional libraries/plugins for that to happen (not sure, don't use banshee) |
| 14:26.55 | wx24 | does anyone know how to contact the owners of the opensubscriber mailing list archive? Their support group does not work and they have archived a message without fuzzing my email address |
| 14:27.01 | Tommy_DO | babilen: shouldn't the banshee package suggest or recommend such libraries? |
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| 14:28.04 | babilen | Tommy_DO: It should, but I'm not familiar with the Banshee packaging. It was just an idea, because Rhythmbox needs a plugin for iPod support |
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| 14:28.11 | pfo | i have a strange problem with libnss-ldap (libpam-ldap is working correctly!) - but nss is not doing ldap lookups even tough it is configured to do so |
| 14:28.20 | pfo | any ideas on how to check why it's not looking up? |
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| 14:29.25 | \amethyst | pfo: I'm assuming nsswitch.conf is set correctly? |
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| 14:29.33 | pfo | it is |
| 14:29.44 | pfo | for passwd,group,shadow i have: ldap, files |
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| 14:31.02 | doubleclic_ | ./aw |
| 14:31.08 | doubleclic_ | oops.. |
| 14:31.10 | \amethyst | pfo: no comma |
| 14:31.15 | themill | pfo: presumably without the comma |
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| 14:31.31 | pfo | i strace'd getent passwd it's no doing tcp/ip sockets or anything, just calls open() on /etc/passwd |
| 14:31.51 | pfo | don't have a comma |
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| 14:32.47 | avatorking | !list |
| 14:32.47 | dpkg | avatorking: VATTENE VIA |
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| 14:32.58 | avatorking | !list |
| 14:32.58 | dpkg | avatorking: VATTENE VIA |
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| 14:33.47 | abrotman | not very bright ... |
| 14:34.01 | \amethyst | also not after 'then' |
| 14:34.02 | \amethyst | doh |
| 14:34.05 | dvs | huh |
| 14:34.12 | pfo | libpam-ldap is working correctly since it's able to resolve the proper DN for the user who is trying to log in |
| 14:34.19 | pfo | (for doing the rebind) |
| 14:34.32 | pfo | but nss is not looking up ldap |
| 14:34.36 | pfo | which is strange to me |
| 14:34.55 | pfo | i even rebooted the machine once :( |
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| 14:42.05 | pfo | nslcd even says that i connected to the LDAP server |
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| 14:49.17 | Pierreb | how do i mount a cd that is copied to my hd? |
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| 14:49.48 | Pierreb | it keeps saying i should specify a filesystem and i have no idea what filesystem i should put in... |
| 14:50.02 | mischief | Pierreb, man mount ;) |
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| 14:51.36 | themill | pfo: I presume you successfully configured libnss-ldap.conf and libnss-ldap.secret. Can you run the ldap server in debug mode to see what queries are actually going through? |
| 14:51.58 | pfo | what is libnss-ldap.secret? |
| 14:52.42 | themill | password for binding |
| 14:54.39 | Pierreb | mischief: well i have no clue what filesystem it is so...tried reading the man page but didnt find anything |
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| 14:55.19 | themill | !mount iso image |
| 14:55.33 | themill | !mount iso |
| 14:55.33 | dpkg | i guess iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 14:55.38 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 14:55.39 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 14:56.10 | Pierreb | thx |
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| 15:01.17 | greedo | I am trying to complile the kernel 2.6.33.1 on my computer that has Ubuntu installed, but I keep getting errors. I want a debian kernel. |
| 15:01.28 | greedo | http://tamu.pastebin.com/ksPH6kJx |
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| 15:02.30 | \amethyst | greedo: have you run make fooconfig yet |
| 15:02.31 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 15:02.54 | themill | greedo: precisely where did this 2.6.33.1 come from? |
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| 15:04.04 | \amethyst | greedo: as the docs say, it requires configured directory... do make oldconfig first |
| 15:04.25 | themill | suspects that greedo should ask in #ubuntu |
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| 15:04.37 | doubleclick | is there a way to get "Trash" and "Network" in nautilus working? (squeeze,2.6.32-3) |
| 15:04.46 | Touns | hello |
| 15:04.57 | doubleclick | none of the solutions i find on the net seem to solve it.. |
| 15:05.35 | jelly | greedo: this is a bug in current-ish kernel-package and 2.6.33 kernel, which has moved that version.h header around |
| 15:05.39 | Touns | please, I can't send mail from my server since 5 day, I doesn't understund why. Postfix seams to be ok, it is running. Where could I check to understand what's wrong please ? |
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| 15:05.49 | greedo | themill: kernel.org |
| 15:05.49 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 15:06.05 | doubleclick | hi there dury :) |
| 15:06.07 | jelly | greedo: if you find it and copy it to where make-kpkg wants it, the build continues |
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| 15:06.32 | themill | greedo: I'm really not sure what this has to do with #debian then... you're compiling kernel.org sources on ubuntu... |
| 15:06.49 | Touns | I just have a little trouble 2 days ago : I have not enough memory to run the wemsite and my debian kill lighthttpd, so I have restart it again and it's working but this problem was 2 days ago, and I notice my server doesn't send any email since 5 days |
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| 15:07.42 | greedo | jelly: so your suggesting compliling a older kernel |
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| 15:07.57 | Touns | in /var/log/syslog all seems to be alright |
| 15:08.17 | webPragmatist | how do i view the current timezone |
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| 15:09.01 | jelly | greedo: no, I'm suggesting what I wrote above. |
| 15:09.03 | themill | webPragmatist: "date" will show the TZ |
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| 15:09.12 | webPragmatist | themill: thank you |
| 15:09.38 | jeremy_c | I am trying to make mailman work, I did the apt-get install mailman. Things seem to work fine except when trying to confirm a subscription via email, I get a bounced email with a group mismatch error between Exim4 and Mailman, the 6 line error message is at: http://pastebin.com/DvZ5a6EN ... does anyone have a hint as where to go from here? |
| 15:09.59 | jelly | greedo: check kernel-package bugs in your distro and file one if it's not there yet (I bet it is, though) |
| 15:10.23 | doubleclick | webPragmatist: cat /etc/timezone ? |
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| 15:11.09 | niklaswe | 655465434 |
| 15:11.09 | niklaswe | 432223 |
| 15:11.38 | themill | quickly logs in to niklaswe's bank account |
| 15:11.45 | doubleclick | :) |
| 15:11.50 | JPT | err..i try to compile id3ted. the install instructions tell me to install libmagic... but still "#include <magic.h>" fails. |
| 15:12.05 | JPT | is there a special package for such purposes? |
| 15:12.12 | dury | apache is installed.... how do I access from another computer to upload files in /var/www/ |
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| 15:13.15 | themill | JPT: you'll want a -dev package for compiling things |
| 15:13.32 | JPT | yep... but i cannot find the right one right now :| |
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| 15:14.06 | man_in_ltop | wave |
| 15:14.13 | man_in_ltop | i have an annoyance with dnsmasq |
| 15:14.17 | lindi- | can anybody recommend a plotter program that'd read a stream from stdin in realtime, plot it and allow interactive tinkering with scale and offset? I'm going through apt-cache search plot but not finding anything that meets these |
| 15:14.30 | JPT | "libmagic1" is already installed.. and according to apt-cache search there is no "libmagic1-dev" |
| 15:15.01 | lindi- | kst notices when a file grows but does not support pipe, xplot supports pipe but first reads everything from it... |
| 15:15.05 | hellyeah | gnuplot |
| 15:15.14 | man_in_ltop | dig foo << returns: foo. 0 IN A 192.168.1.## |
| 15:15.17 | themill | JPT: take a guess.... "apt-cache search libmagic dev" or "apt-file -x search magic.h" |
| 15:15.20 | man_in_ltop | ping foo << dns fails |
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| 15:15.31 | man_in_ltop | ping foo. << dns succeeds and resolves to 192.168.1.## |
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| 15:15.35 | lindi- | hellyeah: how would I use it in this scenario? |
| 15:15.49 | hellyeah | i never used |
| 15:15.51 | lindi- | hellyeah: I know "r" does replot but how would I pipe data to it? with named pipe? |
| 15:16.03 | JPT | aah...got it. thanks themill :) |
| 15:16.04 | man_in_ltop | how do i get dnsmasq to not add the trailing . when domain is not set? |
| 15:16.07 | themill | JPT: -dev packages don't normally have the soname in the packagename |
| 15:16.08 | hellyeah | sorry i just recommend a program |
| 15:16.09 | hellyeah | :D |
| 15:16.12 | lindi- | hellyeah: ok :) |
| 15:16.20 | qfr | I'm currently struggling with compiling hostapd from source to make it work with my ath9k 802.11n PCI card - is there a package for the OpenSSL TLS extensions or do you need to download the source, patch it and compile it manually? |
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| 15:18.46 | greedo | jelly: my main problem is that a need hardware drivers that are not included in the default kernel |
| 15:18.58 | Titan8990 | qfr: the debian package does not support your card? |
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| 15:19.10 | Titan8990 | judd: versions hostapd |
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| 15:19.11 | judd | hostapd -- etch: 1:0.5.5-3.1; lenny: 1:0.5.10-1; sid: 1:0.6.10-2; squeeze: 1:0.6.10-2 |
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| 15:19.19 | qfr | Titan8990: I read you need at least 0.6.9 and libnl 1.1 |
| 15:19.30 | qfr | Oh squeeze is actually recent enough |
| 15:19.33 | qfr | This is lenny hmm |
| 15:19.36 | Titan8990 | !tell qfr about ssb |
| 15:19.55 | Titan8990 | qfr: read ssb notes. however, they it may not always be possible to backport those packages |
| 15:20.02 | qfr | Titan8990 and even then I read you need to compile it from source with mac80211 support |
| 15:20.04 | greedo | jelly: another problem I have is that the drivers have been distrubuted in .rpm package form |
| 15:20.14 | qfr | Changing the hostapd/.config file |
| 15:20.19 | qfr | Because it's deactivated by default |
| 15:20.36 | themill | greedo: are you really sure you shouldn't be asking #ubuntu |
| 15:21.24 | jelly | greedo: is your debian machine already installed? |
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| 15:22.17 | qfr | Titan8990: Or is there a way to make nl80211 work with the squeeze hostapd package? |
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| 15:24.26 | hellyeah | greedo, you try alien |
| 15:24.30 | hellyeah | ? |
| 15:24.56 | greedo | themill: I'm compiling a debian kernel for a server running debian currently on my ubuntu desktop |
| 15:25.06 | lindi- | hellyeah: closes I can find is example program in linuxjournal from 2000: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3921 |
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| 15:25.55 | themill | greedo: what's a "debian kernel" in this sense? |
| 15:26.09 | jelly | greedo: which drivers are you missing / which earliest kernel do you need? |
| 15:26.41 | greedo | hellyeah: yes, but to apply a kernel patch you need bzip2 format i believe |
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| 15:26.51 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 15:27.07 | jelly | themill: apparently he's trying to build a new kernel to be used on a debian machine which is currently missing some functionality |
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| 15:27.31 | greedo | jelly: Intel® ESRT-2 SATA & SAS Software RAID Driver for Linux |
| 15:27.58 | greedo | jelly: currently debian is not seeing my logical raid |
| 15:27.59 | themill | jelly: yeah, I see that now. There's nothing that's a "debian kernel" about it though. Some time in the future, he's going to come complaining that his "debian kernel" is broken, unpatched, rooted, crashy, doesn't boot or whatever... |
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| 15:28.37 | hellyeah | :S:S:S |
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| 15:29.04 | jelly | greedo: you can also disregard the packaging completely, do a make install and make modules_install on your build machine, then copy off /boot/{System.map,vmlinuz,initrd}*VERSION* and /lib/modules/VERSION to the debian machine |
| 15:30.31 | jelly | greedo: which minimum kernel version do you need? "/msg dpkg kmuto" has debian installer with 2.6.32. |
| 15:30.31 | greycat | would "make install and make modules_install" actually give him an initrd? |
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| 15:30.55 | jelly | greycat: who cares? He should remake the initrd on the destination machine anyway |
| 15:31.04 | souffledev | hi jelly |
| 15:31.26 | jelly | hi, person that I do not remember |
| 15:31.33 | souffledev | heh |
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| 15:31.54 | souffledev | abrotman, hi |
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| 15:32.03 | souffledev | #debian's cranking as well :-) |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | uh .. hi? |
| 15:32.12 | greedo | jelly: the problem is I have 2 physical drivers that are grouped together as raid 1, I need to be able to install debian so that it is mirrored across the two physical drives |
| 15:32.22 | souffledev | abrotman, just saying hi dude |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | HI! |
| 15:32.33 | hellyeah | puhahaha |
| 15:33.03 | souffledev | damnit i haven't been here for ages |
| 15:33.09 | jelly | greedo: if you don't have real hw raid controller, I wouldn't bother with its driver-assisted raid. Use Linux md raid instead. |
| 15:33.16 | souffledev | familiar faces. |
| 15:33.54 | souffledev | wols_, hi ^_^ |
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| 15:35.24 | souffledev | btw jelly abrotman played with nginx? |
| 15:35.30 | souffledev | damn can't statically link it |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | no |
| 15:35.38 | souffledev | :( |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | don't they have a support channel? |
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| 15:36.08 | souffledev | they don't answer it - already there |
| 15:36.14 | jelly | abrotman: you probably have to speak Russian |
| 15:36.18 | souffledev | heh |
| 15:36.20 | abrotman | i do not |
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| 15:36.31 | souffledev | neither me :( |
| 15:36.44 | jelly | ÑÑÑкеÑÑ |
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| 15:37.29 | greedo | jelly: so I can use linux md raid and it will mirror the physical drives |
| 15:37.46 | greycat | greedo: yes, it does that quite well |
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| 15:39.14 | greedo | greycat: and if one drive fails the other drive has the exact same data |
| 15:39.29 | jelly | that's usually the point of mirroring, yes |
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| 15:40.57 | greedo | so I install debian on one physical drive and then step linux md raid |
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| 15:42.37 | jelly | or set up md raid from the start |
| 15:43.02 | greedo | jelly: ? |
| 15:43.20 | greycat | greedo: you can set up RAID1 using md during the installation |
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| 15:47.55 | jelly | greedo: it's in the installation guide. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ 6.3.2.3. Configuring Multidisk Devices (Software RAID) |
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| 15:48.29 | greycat | one could also find it just by poking around in the install menus |
| 15:48.39 | greycat | I bet more people find it my way. ;-) |
| 15:48.59 | jelly | that's just because noone reads i-g |
| 15:49.45 | jelly | greycat: you two make it hard to correctly tab-complete! |
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| 15:50.58 | greedo | thanks guys that should work perfectly |
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| 15:51.22 | Bushmills | greedo: recently, lsyncd has been added to the repositories. a way to get some sort of mirroring/duplexing without md tools |
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| 15:51.42 | Bushmills | interesting if you want to do mirroring to remote machines |
| 15:51.56 | Bushmills | like, to failover servers |
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| 15:53.48 | greedo | Bushmills: lsyncd? never heard of it |
| 15:54.18 | Bushmills | essentially involved inotify and rsync to replicate data |
| 15:54.23 | themill | ,info lsyncd sid |
| 15:54.24 | judd | lsyncd (admin, optional): daemon to synchronize local directories using rsync. Version: 1.26-1; Size: 21.7k; Installed: 104k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/ |
| 15:54.33 | Shadur | I'm trying to make squid use a rewriter plugin via url_rewrite_program but judging from the logs it isn't actually being called, despite several of its processes being spawned. squid's access log suggests everything is passed on "DIRECT" even when it should have gotten rewritten by the program. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
| 15:54.42 | asg | greedo: there's also drbd (distributed replicated block device) |
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| 15:55.11 | greycat | Shadur: #squid |
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| 15:58.11 | Shadur | greycat: Not getting any responses there, unfortunately... Hm, hang on. Think I've already got it. |
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| 16:01.30 | jelly | Bushmills: hm, I wonder if that can be used to migrate lots of data and minimize downtime |
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| 16:02.00 | djveer | hey guys, with debian... all files in the /var/www directory (Document root for apache) should be owned by the www user, correct? |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly | djveer: "should"? no. |
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| 16:04.34 | greedo | asg: is that free? |
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| 16:04.45 | djveer | jelly: oh? I'm confused then :( |
| 16:05.55 | babilen | www-data ? |
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| 16:07.20 | rgr | they can be owned by anyone. depends on what you want doing. so long as apache, for example, has r-x permissons from root to the file it doesnt care who owns the files afaik. |
| 16:07.30 | babilen | exactly |
| 16:07.48 | djveer | ah okay, thanks |
| 16:07.48 | greycat | --x on the directories to the file, and r-- on the file |
| 16:07.58 | rgr | thanks for clarification |
| 16:08.05 | djveer | :) |
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| 16:08.40 | asg | greedo: yes |
| 16:09.01 | rgr | also note you can symbolically link from www to your homedir too which often makes more sense and makes backup easier - just ensure you enable the ability to follow symbolic links on your config for your virtual hosts. |
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| 16:09.29 | gothenburg | why a lot of errors when I updated Debian? |
| 16:09.29 | gothenburg | phpp |
| 16:09.34 | gothenburg | php is now lol (testing) |
| 16:10.12 | rgr | gothenburg: thats a lot you give us to go on... hold on while I throw the bones and try to devine the issues you are having ..... |
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| 16:10.28 | themill | Testing in broken package horror! News at 11. |
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| 16:11.23 | \amethyst | gothenburg: testing has php 5.3 now. As is their wont, the PHP developers made backwards-incompatible changes that break some PHP apps/modules |
| 16:11.38 | gothenburg | :@ |
| 16:11.41 | themill | PHP horror! News at 11. |
| 16:11.59 | gothenburg | So I can't use date anymore? |
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| 16:12.21 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 16:13.16 | greycat | gothenburg: please explain what you were doing, and what error you got |
| 16:13.17 | gothenburg | and imagick seems to be missing to |
| 16:13.22 | \amethyst | perhaps if you pastebinned the commands you're trying, and the error messages, we might be able to help more |
| 16:13.29 | gothenburg | Warning: date() [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'Europe/Berlin' for 'CET/1.0/no DST' instead in /var/www/shells/g... |
| 16:13.52 | gothenburg | and I have set date.timezone in php.ini |
| 16:14.00 | \amethyst | gothenburg: what is it set to? |
| 16:14.13 | gothenburg | nothing before. But I did date.timezone = "Europe/Oslo" |
| 16:14.37 | \amethyst | gothenburg: you might try a PHP channel about that one |
| 16:14.38 | gothenburg | And it is there http://gothenburg.homelinux.com/shells/gothenburg/test1.php |
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| 16:14.43 | gothenburg | mjo |
| 16:15.42 | \amethyst | gothenburg: and, yes, php5-imagick is currently not in testing |
| 16:15.50 | \amethyst | !why is php5-imagick not in testing |
| 16:15.50 | dpkg | php5-imagick is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php5-imagick |
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| 16:18.26 | gothenburg | hmm |
| 16:18.30 | gothenburg | satans.. |
| 16:18.57 | \amethyst | ah, probably removed for the imagemagick transition |
| 16:19.08 | \amethyst | gm |
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| 16:20.21 | \amethyst | gothenburg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570649 |
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| 16:21.07 | themill | old, unmaintained, general mess. Hopefully to be fixed RSN was the last i heard |
| 16:21.34 | \amethyst | end of this month it says |
| 16:21.54 | \amethyst | maybe :) |
| 16:22.14 | themill | downhill with a tail-wind... |
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| 16:23.14 | gothenburg | but the |
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| 16:23.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:24.57 | babilen | hei |
| 16:25.24 | DexterF | I'm setting up a raid 5 array and wonder about stripe size and file system. it's supposed to hold mainly files in the 10M, the 1G and 20G area. 5 x 1.5TB. I think about 64k stripe and xfs but like to hear other opinions. |
| 16:26.29 | Cope_ | If I create a bridge with brctl... where does that get stored? is tehre a config file? it appears to be persistent, but I can't see where it lives! |
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| 16:27.02 | gothenburg | and they says that it maybe broke |
| 16:27.08 | DexterF | (and: is raiddtab/mkraid still the choice of tools for creating the md or is that outdated?) |
| 16:27.10 | jelly | Cope_: it's not persistent over reboots |
| 16:27.33 | Cope_ | jelly: that's what I thought - but i rebooted, and it was there! |
| 16:27.59 | jelly | Cope_: not due to mere brctl command lines |
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| 16:29.51 | xsappyx | Cope_: could be in /etc/network/interfaces or your network manager applet of choice |
| 16:30.53 | Cope_ | yeah wonder if it somehow matches something i created in virt-manager |
| 16:30.57 | buntfalke | How to check if an untrusted binary would to network stuff upon execution? |
| 16:31.21 | Cope_ | buntfalke: fire up a vm in a private network, and run it and watch? |
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| 16:32.33 | buntfalke | Oh...that's quite heavy weight...isn't there a simple CLI tool to check the binary for the most typical symptoms of network calls et cetera? hmmm |
| 16:32.46 | jhutchins_lt | buntfalke: no. |
| 16:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | buntfalke: Source code yes, binaries no. |
| 16:33.16 | buntfalke | hmmm, thanks |
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| 16:35.41 | xsappyx | buntfalke: readelf might give some hints.. look at the symbol table section |
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| 16:36.38 | buntfalke | ah - thanks! |
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| 16:43.43 | pflanze | Hello. How does one configure cups from the web interface without using the root (ugh) password? |
| 16:44.25 | greycat | it's only going over loopback. not sniffable on the LAN. |
| 16:45.03 | pflanze | Yes, but I think even trusting the browser is too much for that. |
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| 16:46.03 | pflanze | Hey, running a daemon as root that has no reason to run as root is ugly enough, don't require giving the root pw in a browser for configuring it. |
| 16:46.39 | themill | pflanze: "SystemGroup lpadmin" is I think the default setting for being able to admin the server, so "adduser youruser lpadmin" is sufficient. |
| 16:46.40 | aburch | pflanze: IIRC the user has to be in the lpadmin group. It's also configurable somewhere in the cups config. |
| 16:46.43 | pflanze | I'm not even saying that cups having had numerous security holes already is entering the equation in any way. |
| 16:47.10 | greycat | I'm sure there's a CLI way to configure it, if you don't trust the browser. |
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| 16:48.02 | bkjoe | server with dual xeon em64t cpu's, which arch is best, i386 or amd64? |
| 16:48.07 | \amethyst | pflanze: I believe you need to set the SystemGroup |
| 16:48.16 | pflanze | Thanks guys, checking that. |
| 16:48.20 | jelly | gnome and kde have their own UIs for printer configuration (that do pretty much the same thing as http://localhost:631/ |
| 16:48.25 | pflanze | and gals. |
| 16:48.36 | pflanze | if that applies. |
| 16:48.40 | \amethyst | pflanze: then you should (with the default config) be able to log in as any user who belongs to that group |
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| 16:49.02 | greycat | bkjoe: depends on what you intend to do with it, I guess. But for "server" that doesn't run X, I'd probably lean toward amd64. |
| 16:49.22 | \amethyst | pflanze: I think by default it's lpadmin, so you could try adding yourself to that group then using your username/password |
| 16:49.32 | \amethyst | pflanze: or creating a dummy user |
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| 16:49.42 | bkjoe | that's what I was leaning towards, thanks |
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| 16:50.56 | \amethyst | pflanze: just tested, that does in fact work. I'm have lpadmin as a supplemental group, and I was able to log in to the cups admin page with my username and password |
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| 16:52.05 | \amethyst | s/I'm have/I have/ |
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| 16:53.35 | \amethyst | hm, so if there is foo/bar/x.class and foo/bar/baz/y.class you only want foo/bar not foo/baz ? |
| 16:53.38 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:00.31 | pflanze | Yep, I'm using a dummy unix user now which is in group lpadmin, that works for cups web logins. Thanks to all who gave me the tip. |
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| 17:06.12 | decembre | hi |
| 17:06.39 | decembre | Is there some webui or remote UI for iptables ? |
| 17:06.47 | decembre | To install on a server |
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| 17:06.53 | Bombo | is testing now called squeeze? or sid? according to debian.org The current "testing" distribution is squeeze. according to /etc/debian_version i got squeeze/sid but sid is not unstable but testing. i is confused |
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| 17:07.31 | Stereo | Bombo: sid will never be testing |
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| 17:07.44 | xsappyx | Bombo: sid is always unstable. squeeze is the current testing |
| 17:08.01 | Bombo | erm yes sid is unstable |
| 17:08.03 | Stereo | but testing's version name will contain sid to distinguish it from squeeze that will have become stable |
| 17:08.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Bombo about why squeeze/sid |
| 17:08.20 | \amethyst | Bombo: that's because that file is in package base-files, which is at the same version in both squeeze (testing) and sid (unstable) |
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| 17:10.01 | dvs | saw how unstable Sid is yesterday |
| 17:10.33 | Bombo | hmmkay |
| 17:11.14 | dvs | bought the DVDs |
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| 17:12.54 | babilen | decembre: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls <-- good overview |
| 17:13.37 | decembre | so cool... |
| 17:13.43 | decembre | thanks |
| 17:13.47 | babilen | np |
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| 17:17.05 | giles | hello, one of my servers the graphics card, has gone. Its not a problem because I usually just remote desktop to it. |
| 17:17.11 | giles | Before the screen broke, I installed Linux |
| 17:17.17 | giles | But I want to know now, how can I select the right menu item on the grub boot screen without knowing which one is highlghted |
| 17:17.23 | giles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.34 | giles | if I just press up several times, the top one is sure to be highlighted. |
| 17:17.40 | giles | Can I choose a menu item by index? |
| 17:18.17 | Bushmills | giles: you can turn off autosave of selection, and then you'll have a fixed amount of cursor down |
| 17:18.56 | giles | I think its the top entry |
| 17:18.59 | xsappyx | giles: i think you want the 'default X' entry, where X is the entry number (default 0 will use the first entry) |
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| 17:19.27 | giles | yeah, I need to boot into linux to do either of those options. |
| 17:19.42 | giles | I guess I will have to do c |
| 17:19.54 | giles | then root (hd0,x) |
| 17:20.03 | giles | kernel /boot/bla |
| 17:20.04 | giles | boot |
| 17:20.13 | giles | all blind ;) |
| 17:20.43 | giles | or prehaps I can use a recovery CD with sshd on it. |
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| 17:21.53 | giles | I just thought there might be something like pressing 1 on the boot menu would boot the first entry |
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| 17:24.44 | Bombo | is there a firewall like windows 'kerio personal firewall' that runs in bg and whenever some program/app wants to make a connection to the internet or it detects an incoming connection it asks for user input 'do you want to allow firefox to connect to ip.ip.ip.ip/tcp / [x] always allow [x] create rule for firefox' |
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| 17:25.24 | themill | ,info firestarter |
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| 17:25.24 | judd | firestarter (admin, optional): gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. Version: 1.0.3-6; Size: 395.8k; Installed: 1960k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/firestarter |
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| 17:48.43 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:57.22 | otoja | hi |
| 17:58.45 | otoja | have problem |
| 17:59.03 | otoja | dpkg-reconfigure -a doesnt work anymor |
| 17:59.23 | otoja | is returning "This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info |
| 17:59.23 | otoja | See the man page for ginstall-info for command line arguments" |
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| 17:59.29 | otoja | how to fix that? |
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| 18:00.46 | redduck666 | how do i re-generate /etc/postgresql on debian? |
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| 18:08.40 | g00dtimes | how do i find out what options are available to a kernel module ? |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | modinfo |
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| 18:10.23 | g00dtimes | greycat: the output is a quite terse |
| 18:11.56 | greycat | I guess that depends on the module. |
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| 18:13.29 | g00dtimes | greycat: indeed. |
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| 18:15.50 | babilen | redduck666: Still searching? |
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| 18:16.24 | JyZyXEL | why is the linux-source package left unpacked when you install it? |
| 18:16.37 | dazikas | hi |
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| 18:16.44 | greycat | because it's big |
| 18:16.50 | dazikas | was wondering when u guys recon would squeeze be stable? |
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| 18:16.57 | babilen | !wwsr |
| 18:16.57 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 18:16.57 | greycat | !wir |
| 18:16.58 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 18:17.05 | JyZyXEL | but what do you do with it if it isn't unpacked |
| 18:17.09 | [QUAD64] | in the /etc/networking/interfaces file... |
| 18:17.11 | greycat | unpack it |
| 18:17.23 | JyZyXEL | then why isn't that done automatically |
| 18:17.25 | [QUAD64] | I see the loopback config "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 18:17.32 | [QUAD64] | followed by the line "address 127.0.0.1" |
| 18:17.44 | [QUAD64] | is required? does it do anything at all? according to the man page if an "iface" is defined with loopback, then there should be no options following it |
| 18:17.51 | dazikas | i know where is no date set, was wondering mebe someone could give an estimation :P |
| 18:18.10 | dazikas | *t |
| 18:18.19 | JyZyXEL | the documentation doesn't even have the command how to unpack the source |
| 18:18.31 | cahoot | JyZyXEL: is that really a valid problem? |
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| 18:18.49 | JyZyXEL | yes? |
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| 18:19.11 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Just unpack it - it's not that hard (hint: man tar) |
| 18:19.11 | dvs | dazikas: No idea. I rejoice when they are making the release e-mail |
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| 18:20.16 | babilen | [QUAD64]: The address part for the the loopback is definitely not standard. You should remove it |
| 18:20.26 | greycat | if you don't know how to unpack a tar.bz2 or tar.gz file, perhaps you're not ready for building your own custom kernels yet |
| 18:20.33 | cahoot | one would expect someone that feels up to compiling a kernel knows how to handle tar files |
| 18:20.34 | [QUAD64] | babilen, thanks |
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| 18:20.34 | dazikas | ^^ |
| 18:21.00 | JyZyXEL | im guessing it would be something like tar -x /usr/src/linux-source-*.tar.bz2 |
| 18:21.07 | dazikas | JyZyXEL, u got physical access? |
| 18:21.13 | dazikas | do apt-get install xorg :-) |
| 18:21.21 | dazikas | it's bit easier with graphics |
| 18:21.22 | JyZyXEL | its just amazing how this was left out from the documentation |
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| 18:21.59 | dazikas | JyZyXEL, do u have to write in crapping manual that u have to clean ur ass after takin a dump or is that self explanatory? |
| 18:22.10 | jelly | oh noes! The package gives you a foo.tar.bz2, whatever are you supposed to do with it! |
| 18:22.18 | greycat | I wasn't aware there were crapping manuals. |
| 18:22.22 | DexterF | how do I disable raid assembly from kernel? |
| 18:22.23 | forgetful | lol |
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| 18:22.53 | dvs | greycat: it's called "How to be a lawyer" ;-) |
| 18:23.08 | dazikas | greycat, some public toilets in usa have guidelines written |
| 18:23.12 | dazikas | was also suprised when i visited |
| 18:23.42 | JyZyXEL | dazikas: with your logic we wouldn't need documentation at all |
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| 18:24.02 | JyZyXEL | im sure everything is self explanatory for some people |
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| 18:24.20 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: If you don't know how to unpack a tarball you have no business messing with sourcecode. |
| 18:24.38 | JyZyXEL | no the point is it would be way faster to copypaste the command |
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| 18:24.57 | JyZyXEL | and less chance fucking up like i just did |
| 18:24.57 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: man tar much? |
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| 18:25.04 | JyZyXEL | the fucking thing extracted to my PWD |
| 18:25.15 | dazikas | what suprise |
| 18:25.16 | wols_ | what is a PWD again? |
| 18:25.18 | OperaFan | Hi, can someone explain the difference between side and squeeze. I was running sid a while back, and had a nasty problem with lighttpd (listed as "grave" on the bug tracker) and moved my system back to squeeze. That grave bug seems to have filtered down to squeeze in the last couple of days. Surely this should not be happening? |
| 18:25.21 | greycat | Print Working Directory |
| 18:25.22 | wols_ | I know the command, but as a noun? |
| 18:25.32 | wols_ | greycat: that's not the way he said it |
| 18:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: No kidding. Have you read the manpage for tar? |
| 18:25.38 | greycat | $PWD is a bash variable that holds the current directory |
| 18:25.38 | JyZyXEL | its en environment variable i believe |
| 18:25.45 | JyZyXEL | yea that |
| 18:25.48 | greycat | shelll variable, not environment |
| 18:25.48 | dazikas | ^^ |
| 18:25.51 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
| 18:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | This can only end badly. |
| 18:26.15 | dazikas | JyZyXEL, if ur trying to compile kernel the first time, try reading more manuals than complaining |
| 18:26.21 | JyZyXEL | im not |
| 18:26.26 | dazikas | ofc :) |
| 18:26.29 | karlpinc | OperaFan: See the debian.org web page on the different versions of debian, linked from the front page. |
| 18:26.30 | JyZyXEL | i was just gonna read some of the source code |
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| 18:26.55 | dazikas | never knew source code is a good read in the evenin |
| 18:27.10 | JyZyXEL | always good |
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| 18:28.39 | OperaFan | OK, so Squeeze is considered "stable", so how do known about "grave" bugs get in? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572031 |
| 18:29.34 | simonrvn | it's ont stable |
| 18:29.36 | simonrvn | not |
| 18:29.46 | amphi | OperaFan: squeeze is the testing branch ATM |
| 18:30.20 | babilen | packages with grave bugs still shouldn't migrate |
| 18:30.39 | greycat | the bugs might have been discovered AFTER they migrated |
| 18:30.52 | OperaFan | "Packages are installed into the `testing' directory after they have undergone some degree of testing in unstable." |
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| 18:31.43 | babilen | greycat: which is most likely the case there, but i'm too lazy to investigate :) |
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| 18:31.50 | babilen | OperaFan: exactly |
| 18:31.53 | OperaFan | that was not the case. I had this nasty in sid, so I downgraded, it was known about then. In the last couple of days, the same broken packaged has made it into squeeze too.. It's not an obscure package either, it's lighttp |
| 18:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: squeeze is known to break. |
| 18:32.20 | simonrvn | um, did you report a bug? |
| 18:32.37 | OperaFan | sure, but known about grave bugs migrating in? |
| 18:33.04 | simonrvn | they shouldn't be. more should have been done to stop it. |
| 18:33.19 | abrotman | OperaFan: that does not mean they are stable, the packages still can cause breakage and often do |
| 18:33.26 | simonrvn | that's true (what greycat said) |
| 18:33.30 | OperaFan | anyway, what would be the best way to get my lighttpd working again (short of going back to Lenny...) |
| 18:33.35 | abrotman | use lenny |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | hopefully this isn't an externally accessible machine |
| 18:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: If you want a working, reliable server use lenny. |
| 18:34.06 | OperaFan | Lenny is so out of date on many packages, it's worthless. And Ubuntu stopped supporting my hardware |
| 18:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: If you want to test packages for bugs, regardless of what breaks on your system, use squeeze or sid. |
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| 18:34.32 | greycat | Lenny is not "worthless". |
| 18:34.38 | OperaFan | for me it is |
| 18:34.43 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: Several thousand lenny servers would count heavily against your opinion. |
| 18:34.44 | abrotman | then you get broken stuff .. |
| 18:34.48 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: RHEL5 is even older.... |
| 18:34.50 | greycat | And if you have ONE package (or even a small number of packages, greater than one) that you need updated, you can backport it. |
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| 18:35.13 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 18:35.15 | abrotman | you can't have bleeding edge and non-broken |
| 18:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: If you're gonna run squeeze on a production server you'd better know how to bugpatch and revert. |
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| 18:35.41 | simonrvn | unlike schrodinger's cat, this isn't a quantum state |
| 18:35.53 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 18:35.53 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:35.54 | OperaFan | I appreciate that. However I expected (wrongly it seems) that picking Squeeze over Sid offered me at least SOME protection from broken stuff |
| 18:35.59 | simonrvn | (yes i misspelled that) |
| 18:36.07 | Titan8990 | OperaFan: no, not really |
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| 18:36.29 | simonrvn | not at all |
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| 18:36.36 | abrotman | OperaFan: some protection, yes .. not bullet proof |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | and if you expect to run a production machine on testing/unstable, you're asking for trouble |
| 18:37.21 | OperaFan | then Debian's descriptions of testing need amending, as "we hope that `testing' is always close to being a release candidate." |
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| 18:37.35 | simonrvn | um, no |
| 18:37.38 | OperaFan | is a little bit misleading |
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| 18:37.48 | JyZyXEL | you can always hope |
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| 18:38.04 | azeem_ | OperaFan: there is "some protection" |
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| 18:38.07 | abrotman | OperaFan: what is wrong with that? 'hope' and 'close' are vague words |
| 18:38.07 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze |
| 18:38.08 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 18:38.09 | greycat | "hope" is a strong word. |
| 18:38.09 | azeem_ | just not "full protection" |
| 18:38.10 | themill | OperaFan: there's a big difference between that statement and something that actually is a release candidate. And there's a big difference between a release candidate and an actual release. |
| 18:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | !testing |
| 18:38.20 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 18:38.25 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 18:38.25 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 18:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: Note the last two sentances of the testing factoid. |
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| 18:43.50 | posix4e | Soooo.. We are rolling out releases and creating distros with reprepro. We have distro names like karmic-foo2 karmic-foo3. But now we want a karmic-foo which points to the newest version. Is their a good way of doing this without completely ripping everything out and starting from scratch. |
| 18:44.14 | dummies_freelanc | hello i install debian in one hd with win7 and when rebbot i habe wrong of no file system . the problem is the grub ? |
| 18:44.20 | wols_ | posix4e: #ubuntu |
| 18:44.27 | posix4e | wols_: kk |
| 18:44.29 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: :-) |
| 18:44.43 | dazikas | dummies_freelanc, u remind me when i first time installed openbsd drunk |
| 18:44.50 | dazikas | had an empty hdd in da morning |
| 18:44.57 | posix4e | wols_: it 's not a debian vs ubuntu thing though right? |
| 18:44.58 | dazikas | u need a freakin calculator do install that thing |
| 18:45.13 | OperaFan | OK, so picking up the sid version of lighttpd fixes the grave bug. How do I flag that the badly borked version has made it into squeeze and is in a worse state that sid for this package? |
| 18:45.27 | wols_ | posix4e: you run ubuntu, you use the ubuntu support. that easy |
| 18:45.28 | jelly | posix4e: we can't be exactly sure ubuntu didn't change reprepro in some way |
| 18:45.34 | wols_ | you use debian, you use debian support |
| 18:45.35 | OperaFan | (it seems the only thing fixed was this problems between the 2 packages, which is rather ironic) |
| 18:45.41 | dazikas | dummies_freelanc, u prolly formatted everything |
| 18:45.45 | posix4e | wols_: we ship both debian and ubuntu debs |
| 18:45.46 | dazikas | and have no os left |
| 18:45.49 | posix4e | and centos and solaris |
| 18:45.49 | posix4e | etc |
| 18:45.54 | wols_ | posix4e: and we cannot support all gazillion of debian based distros |
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| 18:45.57 | hellyeah | hey |
| 18:46.03 | hellyeah | i try to recover my grub |
| 18:46.09 | hellyeah | i follow this addres |
| 18:46.11 | jelly | posix4e: yeah, but where do you run reprepro? If it's on Debian, then ask here. |
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| 18:46.14 | hellyeah | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 18:46.25 | hellyeah | but grub said error parsing this number |
| 18:46.27 | wols_ | hellyeah: mind your enter key |
| 18:46.32 | abrotman | hellyeah: stop hitting the damn enter key |
| 18:46.34 | posix4e | jelly: uhm, i can run it on any ec2 server. If you want me to boot debian to get support on creating a repo i will |
| 18:46.52 | posix4e | If you want me to boot solaris i will |
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| 18:47.09 | jelly | posix4e: yeah, that's pretty much the game here, you have to run Debian to get to ask. Sorry. |
| 18:47.13 | posix4e | I am asking about how one creates a repo, that basically has distro symlinks |
| 18:47.17 | posix4e | ok |
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| 18:47.28 | posix4e | jelly: actually our vm is debian |
| 18:47.35 | jelly | posix4e: right :-D |
| 18:47.41 | hellyeah | sorry abrotman Error 23: Error while parsin this number. Grub give thiss error what can i do |
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| 18:47.47 | posix4e | ok i just doubt y'all know how to role repos |
| 18:47.54 | dazikas | hellyeah, google.com |
| 18:48.00 | abrotman | posix4e: then don't ask us .. |
| 18:48.02 | wols_ | hellyeah: reinstalling grub. as you've been told time and again: grub-install |
| 18:48.02 | Frantic | hey guys, I'm having a hard time getting bind9 to bind to 0.0.0.0 instead of localhost, any idea how I do that? I've tried changing listen-on to 0.0.0.0 or "any" in named.conf.options, neither worked |
| 18:48.07 | greycat | "Error while parsin this number"? Seriously? |
| 18:48.12 | posix4e | wow, this channel is insane |
| 18:48.14 | hellyeah | dazikas: you think ow i found this wiki |
| 18:48.16 | jelly | posix4e: someone might know. No guarantees. :-| |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | he just said we don't know! |
| 18:48.29 | dazikas | hellyeah, google some more and u will find an answer |
| 18:48.31 | wols_ | greycat: grub says just "error 23" and that's it |
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| 18:48.36 | abrotman | Frantic: which version ? |
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| 18:49.07 | Frantic | abrotman: 9.5.1, the latest that comes with lennyt |
| 18:49.09 | Frantic | abrotman: 9.5.1, the latest that comes with lenny |
| 18:49.13 | hellyeah | wols_: Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 18:49.28 | hellyeah | what can i do grub-install gives that error |
| 18:49.30 | jelly | posix4e: but running debian is a sine-qua-non to get support here. Ops won't have it any other way, and it makes some sense. |
| 18:49.38 | wols_ | hellyeah: let me guess, you didn't bind mount as you've been told in that link above |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | Frantic: so in netstat .. what do the '53' lines say ? |
| 18:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | posix4e: Asking how to build a karmic repo here is a lot like asking how to build a RedHat repo here. You should not be surprized at the response. |
| 18:50.17 | posix4e | jelly: i don't care what os you want me to run. We have to test with centos,debian,ubuntu,solaris and even gasp windows. But I can run reprepro on any ec2 box |
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| 18:50.30 | Frantic | abrotman: in netstat they are 127.0.0.1:53 both tcp and udp |
| 18:50.31 | posix4e | omg |
| 18:50.34 | posix4e | it's an example of a distrobution |
| 18:50.41 | Frantic | abrotman: like I said, it keeps binding to localhost |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | posix4e: either run it on Debian and ask here .. or go ask somewhere else |
| 18:50.43 | jhutchins_lt | posix4e: We can't help you with the solaris repo either. |
| 18:50.46 | posix4e | omg |
| 18:50.51 | posix4e | wow how unhelpful |
| 18:50.53 | posix4e | you don't listen |
| 18:50.58 | posix4e | and you speak without understanding |
| 18:51.01 | posix4e | why don't you ban me already |
| 18:51.04 | abrotman | and you keep hitting enter |
| 18:51.08 | Frantic | abrotman: if I enter listen-on to my external IP, it works, but I'd like to have 0.0.0.0 to include localhost |
| 18:51.23 | abrotman | looks at themill |
| 18:51.35 | wols_ | posix4e: you is the one that doesn't understand. use debian to recreate your problem and ask here. if someone knows, you get help. if no one does, you won't |
| 18:51.37 | Frantic | abrotman: also, if I add the external IP _and_ 127.0.0.1, it binds to both interfaces, but I'd like to know why it won't bind to 0.0.0.0 tho :) |
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| 18:51.51 | posix4e | wols_: how do you know I am not running on debian |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | Frantic: where are you changing this? |
| 18:51.56 | posix4e | I am creating a repos |
| 18:51.57 | jhutchins_lt | posix4e: Trying to recover by saying "oh, I'm really running Debian" is pretty disingenuous. |
| 18:51.57 | simonrvn | 'distribution' |
| 18:51.59 | posix4e | i need to supoprt everything |
| 18:52.02 | Frantic | abrotman: named.conf.options |
| 18:52.03 | wols_ | posix4e: we have our ways |
| 18:52.10 | jhutchins_lt | posix4e: Your question was about karmic. |
| 18:52.14 | posix4e | omg |
| 18:52.18 | abrotman | OMG! |
| 18:52.19 | wols_ | posix4e: and we only support debian and won't support anything else |
| 18:52.21 | posix4e | really? wasn't it just an example? |
| 18:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | OMFG! |
| 18:52.26 | hellyeah | wols_: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16712 |
| 18:52.26 | Frantic | abrotman: more exactly, /etc/bind/named.conf.options |
| 18:52.35 | simonrvn | OMGWTFBBQ! |
| 18:52.39 | wols_ | posix4e: if you want support on everything, pay someone for it or use ##linux. good luck |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | Frantic: can you put it in a pastebin ? |
| 18:52.40 | posix4e | that if i have a symlink in my dists directory, for distros i don't get valid gpg support |
| 18:52.41 | posix4e | i could have called that distro klsjghjkdshgf |
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| 18:52.59 | greycat | posix4e: what software are you using? |
| 18:53.08 | posix4e | greycat |
| 18:53.08 | abrotman | posix4e: uname -r ? dpkg -l reprepro ? |
| 18:53.09 | posix4e | reprepro |
| 18:53.15 | greycat | ,versions reprepro |
| 18:53.18 | judd | reprepro -- etch: 1.3.1+1-1; etch-security: 1.3.1+1-1; lenny: 3.5.2-6; etch-backports: 3.9.2-1~bpo40+1; lenny-backports: 4.1.0-1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.1.0-1; squeeze: 4.1.0-1 |
| 18:53.26 | greycat | hmm. well, I don't know anything about it. |
| 18:53.29 | simonrvn | the latest one is rather nice |
| 18:53.30 | wols_ | posix4e: uname -r |
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| 18:53.35 | simonrvn | it makes debian repos |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | greycat: you're supposed to wait for him to answer! |
| 18:54.03 | jelly | posix4e seems to want something like a stable -> actualdistro symlink in his repo |
| 18:54.06 | xsappyx | posix4e: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+debian+mirror |
| 18:54.07 | simonrvn | a bit obscure to use at first, but it does the job well |
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| 18:54.30 | abrotman | dunno .. that's taking too long .. |
| 18:54.32 | posix4e | I am not mirroring debian. We are trying to distribute debs to people |
| 18:54.33 | Frantic | abrotman: here it is, but it's the one that ships with lenny :) http://pastie.org/887048 |
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| 18:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | He's actually running OS X 10.6.2 |
| 18:54.52 | posix4e | we need to create a repo, so they can add it to their sources.list |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | posix4e: we want to know your kernel and your version of reprepro .. it shuld be easy |
| 18:55.01 | simonrvn | posix4e: reprepro does mirroring too, but not only. |
| 18:55.09 | posix4e | simonrvn: let me boot the ec2 instance |
| 18:55.10 | posix4e | o |
| 18:55.12 | posix4e | one sec |
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| 18:55.40 | wols_ | posix4e: to properly build debs, you need to run debian anyways. so you can run it and create the repo. so come abck when you run debian |
| 18:55.49 | simonrvn | i'd use the backports one, it supports tiffany now (pdiffs) |
| 18:56.10 | posix4e | so the way we build the debs, is fork off ec2 instances for every version we use, one for 32 bit and one for 64 bit, and build and test locally |
| 18:56.15 | abrotman | Frantic: and if you just comment the 'listen-on' line completely ? |
| 18:56.25 | Frantic | abrotman: tried it, still localhost only :( |
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| 18:56.41 | hideo | waits 'til posix4e hits the bot's spam blockage threshold |
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| 18:57.06 | abrotman | Frantic: anything in the initscript ? |
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| 18:57.43 | jelly | wols_: that makes no sense actually, debs can be built on buildds or similar, and repos are created using whatever unrelated machinery |
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| 18:57.56 | Frantic | abrotman: i don't know which initscript you mean. But the only changes I've done to all the confs was to add an extra zone in named.conf.local pointing to an external .db file |
| 18:58.05 | lorimar | anyone have experience with mondo archive? |
| 18:58.08 | simonrvn | um, bind9 init script... |
| 18:58.12 | wols_ | jelly: the dependecies are easier to manage if you run it on the target debian branch imho |
| 18:58.14 | posix4e | wow ec2 is taking forever |
| 18:58.14 | abrotman | Frantic: /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 18:58.19 | posix4e | one more minute |
| 18:58.21 | Frantic | abrotman: no chanegs there |
| 18:58.43 | abrotman | Frantic: i meant is there an option there to only listen on localhost .. i don't have any bind systems here that still have vanilla files |
| 18:58.46 | Frantic | abrotman: but the conf is clearly getting parsed |
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| 18:59.25 | Frantic | abrotman: nothing there about it |
| 18:59.40 | bluehaze1 | question. is there a supported kernel that recognize the intel 82567LM-3 gigabit network connection |
| 18:59.41 | jelly | posix4e: you wouldn't be working for a well known web browser vendor, would you? :-) |
| 18:59.58 | posix4e | jelly: no |
| 19:00.01 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 19:00.27 | abrotman | jelly: their apt repo works fine! |
| 19:00.30 | Frantic | abrotman: all it does is set up var/run for bind and then run it with no special options |
| 19:00.33 | hellyeah | my boot partition is (hd0) /dev/sda i look /etc/grub/device.map |
| 19:00.34 | jelly | abrotman: FOR NOW |
| 19:00.41 | posix4e | domU-12-31-39-0B-2A-58:~# dpkg --list |grep reprepro |
| 19:00.41 | posix4e | ii reprepro 3.5.2-6 |
| 19:00.43 | abrotman | jelly: are you going to break it ? |
| 19:00.58 | posix4e | domU-12-31-39-0B-2A-58:~# uname -r |
| 19:00.58 | posix4e | 2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen-ec2-v1.0 |
| 19:01.09 | Frantic | abrotman: oh, and it adds 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf |
| 19:01.12 | hellyeah | web site said root (hd0,x) what x must be because grub always gives error while parsing number |
| 19:01.13 | posix4e | does that prove it? |
| 19:01.32 | Frantic | but OMG guys, am I the only person running a name server on debian lenny? :) |
| 19:01.36 | jelly | posix4e: fairy nuff |
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| 19:01.45 | OpenTokix | Frantic: no, I am |
| 19:01.45 | greycat | Frantic: of course not. |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | Frantic: i have a few here, but the files have bene altered drastically .. and i don't have a listen-on for ipv4 |
| 19:01.57 | jelly | posix4e: throw in the libc6 version for lulz |
| 19:01.58 | greycat | I have a couple of those at work, too. |
| 19:02.07 | hellyeah | pls help i dont want to reinstall debian |
| 19:02.21 | abrotman | Frantic: but these bind systems have been migrated from either etch or uh .. sarge i think |
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| 19:02.33 | greycat | hellyeah: it's the partition number, but I don't remmeber whether it's 0-indexed or 1-indexed |
| 19:02.35 | simonrvn | i did but mine ran fine - didn't have to make it listen on non-localhost; even had to tell it to listen on only a few ips ... |
| 19:02.40 | Frantic | abrotman: I've even checked /etc/defaults/bind9, nothing there to cause problems |
| 19:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | Frantic: nO. |
| 19:02.45 | simonrvn | grub is 0-indexed |
| 19:02.54 | Frantic | jhutchins_lt: does your named bind to 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 19:03.01 | jelly | posix4e: then watch as we all get satisfied you're running lenny, but noone still has any clue about reprepro |
| 19:03.02 | Frantic | jhutchins_lt: if yes, how did you do it? :) |
| 19:03.10 | wols_ | greycat: 0 indexed. but he doesn't want to install grub to partition but the MBR |
| 19:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | Frantic: Don't think so. |
| 19:03.14 | abrotman | Frantic: so commenting out the 'listen-on' for your ipv4 lines .. it still fails ? |
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| 19:03.21 | posix4e | http://pastebin.com/UyffNDxR |
| 19:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | Frantic: Installed the package, used the examples to build forward, backward, and chaching resolution. |
| 19:03.31 | simonrvn | what's the reprepro question? |
| 19:03.40 | simonrvn | maybe i have enough clue to answer... |
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| 19:03.51 | posix4e | so |
| 19:03.56 | posix4e | we have a really ghetto setup |
| 19:04.05 | posix4e | i am openminded to not using reprepro to some extent |
| 19:04.16 | Frantic | abrotman: I've commented out listen-on again, it just binds to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:04.30 | greycat | Frantic: personally, I don't really know how to determine what addresses a UDP service is bound to. But our lenny name servers work from outside localhost. |
| 19:04.35 | posix4e | basically we have distro names like foo-1 foo-2 and foo-3. And we to add one called foo that points to the newest one |
| 19:04.36 | simonrvn | !tell Wessly -about root |
| 19:04.47 | Frantic | greycat: netstat -an |
| 19:04.49 | posix4e | we would just make the symlink |
| 19:04.50 | posix4e | but... |
| 19:04.55 | greycat | Frantic: That output seems to be lying to me. |
| 19:04.58 | posix4e | it breaks gpg i think |
| 19:05.04 | greycat | Frantic: it SAYS 127.0.0.1:53 but it RESPONDS from other hosts. |
| 19:05.15 | simonrvn | gpg doesn't care about what you call it |
| 19:05.43 | posix4e | ahh so i should be able to just make the symlink |
| 19:05.44 | posix4e | ? |
| 19:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | Frantic: I have nothing but the standard options that come with the package. |
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| 19:06.08 | simonrvn | yes. i called mine simondeb (unimaginatively enough) |
| 19:06.29 | jelly | posix4e: that's pretty much Debian's repos look like. There's a stable -> whatever symlink that makes "stable" an installable release. |
| 19:06.31 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: actually I remember having to make changes in bind9 configs when going etch->lenny. |
| 19:06.42 | simonrvn | but i did call the dists sid, lenny, squeeze ... |
| 19:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: If I did I can't find 'em. |
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| 19:07.07 | abrotman | Frantic: netstat -plunt | grep :53 ? |
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| 19:07.26 | posix4e | yea |
| 19:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: This was a etch/etch-n-half/lenny upgrade. |
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| 19:07.31 | posix4e | jelly: let me double check |
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| 19:07.46 | posix4e | thanks for the help, i am going to point out logs the next time my osness is challenged thou8gh:) |
| 19:08.04 | posix4e | Maybe their is user error going on |
| 19:08.26 | jelly | posix4e: ubuntu keywords make everyone twitchy in this channel |
| 19:08.29 | greycat | http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny#Upgradeissues |
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| 19:08.36 | greycat | There, that took longer than I like to find. |
| 19:09.10 | greycat | and http://wiki.debian.org/LennyBind9 |
| 19:09.16 | posix4e | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.53 | hideo | but that's not sastifying |
| 19:10.16 | Frantic | abrotman: this is amazingly weird |
| 19:10.25 | abrotman | Frantic: what is?! |
| 19:10.29 | abrotman | OMG TELL PLZ! |
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| 19:10.36 | abrotman | goes back to non-caffiene mode |
| 19:10.41 | sdc | hello! |
| 19:10.55 | sdc | I was wondering, is there a way to create a dns request when opening a file? |
| 19:10.56 | Frantic | abrotman: I have set the two bind IP's manually, localhost and my external IP, I've commented them with "//" and now it binds to both, doesn't bind once to 0.0.0.0, but binds to each |
| 19:11.00 | sdc | like |
| 19:11.09 | sdc | /dev/tcp/www.google.com/80 on other distros |
| 19:11.15 | jelly | posix4e: that would make this channel a likeable place, can't have any of that |
| 19:11.15 | sdc | is there something like that on debian? |
| 19:11.24 | sdc | that will force a dns request |
| 19:11.29 | greycat | re-reads that LennyBind9 page and wonders why in the hell he didn't just convert the whole shebang over to djbdns |
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| 19:11.39 | greycat | inertia. that's it. |
| 19:11.44 | Frantic | abrotman: thanks for trying to help, gtg, I'll try some more stuff later |
| 19:11.57 | Frantic | abrotman: for now, I can live with having the two IPs in the con f:) |
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| 19:12.10 | Frantic | abrotman: just wanted to find out why any was not working |
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| 19:12.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | Frantic: Use the default, minimalist config. It works fine. |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | greycat: djb is crazy .. |
| 19:12.53 | jelly | greycat: that's a good idea, I still have 3 etches with bind. |
| 19:13.01 | jelly | abrotman: and ISC is sane?!? |
| 19:13.02 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: you mean apart from the whole "oh by the way, we won't allow queries by default any more" thing? |
| 19:13.30 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Strangely that doesn't seem to bother my system. |
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| 19:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I think I had a problem with recursion once, but not regularly. |
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| 19:14.46 | Gnudoll | You only get problems with recursion after you have problems with recursion. . . |
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| 19:15.13 | lorimar | anyone have experience with mondo archive? |
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| 19:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I don't have allow-query set on either of my bind9 lenny servers, both of which were built with etch, and neither of which has problems. |
| 19:16.20 | greycat | very odd, then. |
| 19:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | Indeed. |
| 19:16.35 | greycat | maybe there was a change to the change to the change |
| 19:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | It has been known to happen. |
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| 19:17.03 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, we just broke three million networks, maybe we'd better put it back. |
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| 19:19.21 | hellyeah | damn windows |
| 19:19.42 | dazikas | windows 7 rocks :-p |
| 19:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Redundant. |
| 19:19.47 | greycat | I hear they're a pane. |
| 19:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | Oof. |
| 19:20.09 | majhool | is there a reason lastlog(8) truncates its host field to 16 characters? the full length host name is stored in /var/log/lastlog |
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| 19:20.25 | jelly | majhool: bugwards combatability? |
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| 19:20.54 | majhool | yeah... should i still try to submit a bug report and patch to change that?? |
| 19:21.03 | hellyeah | damn debian |
| 19:21.04 | dummies_freelanc | when i do this "sudo chroot /mnt/javier " i have this message why ? chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 19:21.04 | greycat | you can always submit a wishlist bug |
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| 19:21.12 | hellyeah | they cant solve wipe out issue |
| 19:21.27 | jelly | in a similar vein, many apps output numerical uids instead or +8 chars usernames |
| 19:21.33 | greycat | dummies_freelanc: because there is no /mnt/javier/bin/bash or because the shared libs that command requires are not present inside the chroot |
| 19:22.25 | majhool | greycat: good call on the wishlist bug. we'll see how it goes |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | majhool: i think there is a bug already |
| 19:22.42 | majhool | oh really? |
| 19:23.28 | greycat | counting on the values in utmp or wtmp to be useful in security/authentication tracking is a bug in and of itself |
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| 19:23.50 | Stereo | majhool: does last -a help? |
| 19:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | There would be fewer duplicate bugs if bugzilla's search worked worth squat. |
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| 19:25.25 | majhool | greycat: it's part of a script i use with tcpdump when i ssh into a machine to filter out the ssh packets |
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| 19:26.08 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 19:26.28 | majhool | greycat: so, you know, not mission critical and hackish, but it seemed odd that ll_host in the lastlog struct is 256 chars long but only 16 when printed |
| 19:27.00 | majhool | Stereo: yeah, i guess the solution is to use a different command! |
| 19:27.17 | developerare | I wonder one thing could I donwload JDK 5 form suns homepage and skip OpenJDK? |
| 19:27.39 | greycat | developerare: sure, it's your computer. you can do what you want. |
| 19:27.55 | greycat | personally I'd grab jdk6 instead, but hey.... |
| 19:28.35 | jelly | or, $DEITY forbid, install sun-java6-jdk from non-free |
| 19:28.46 | greycat | but then you get one that's got bugs in it |
| 19:28.54 | greycat | and your freenet node won't start up |
| 19:29.03 | jelly | it gets updated often enough |
| 19:29.12 | greycat | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 19:29.15 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6-16-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6-17-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-4 |
| 19:29.28 | jelly | 6.18 is _almost_ 6.18.1 |
| 19:29.35 | greycat | but 6.12 is not |
| 19:29.51 | jelly | 6.12 is hardly usable |
| 19:29.57 | greycat | bingo! |
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| 19:30.17 | jelly | thankfully, javas, like kernels, are easy to install on stable |
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| 19:30.35 | greycat | so, you grab jre6 or jdk6 from upstream, you try to run java-package against it to build a .deb, you dig up the YEARS OLD BUG REPORTS that describe how to fix java-package to handle a two-digit minor version number.... |
| 19:30.37 | jelly | except sometimes they're not |
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| 19:30.58 | greycat | .... get another drink.... |
| 19:31.14 | lostnbronx | hello all -- is there a help channel for squeeze? |
| 19:31.32 | greycat | you can start here |
| 19:31.59 | jelly | or just unpack the tarball in /usr/local, symlink if you wish and set JAVA_HOME manually as Oracle intends you to |
| 19:32.43 | lostnbronx | greycat: okay, ty -- i just did a netinstall of squeeze, and it somehow forgot all my login info -- including the root password |
| 19:32.49 | greycat | I have no idea why Oracle needs a special environment variable, but I'll take your word on that. |
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| 19:33.00 | jelly | greycat: they make java. |
| 19:33.07 | greycat | !I forgot root's password |
| 19:33.07 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 19:34.00 | posix4e | So when i try to make a symlink, i get an authentication error |
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| 19:34.32 | babilen | lostnbronx: You are the second one with that problem. You can either set the root password directly as detailed by dpkg, or use the *stable* installer and upgrade to squeeze. Who knows what else might be wrong? |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | "upgrade" with quotes. |
| 19:35.07 | Titan8990 | or he can just use stable... |
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| 19:37.27 | posix4e | jelly: yea, so authentication error when i try that. Do i need to do some magic to regenerate the gpg info? |
| 19:37.53 | lostnbronx | babilen -- my connection is horrible -- netinstall took over 13 hours -- i can't do another one anytime soon |
| 19:38.07 | babilen | o_O - alright :) |
| 19:38.21 | babilen | lostnbronx: Then jsut reset the password and hope for the best :) |
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| 19:39.06 | lostnbronx | yes, i will try dpkg's method, and , hopefully, not need to bother you kind folks again -- ty |
| 19:39.15 | jelly | posix4e: hmph, no idea. Is the repo public now? |
| 19:39.22 | lostnbronx | bye all |
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| 19:40.27 | posix4e | jelly: I see , the Releases file is wrong |
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| 19:40.37 | developer | if I vant to join the java channel which command do I have to type? |
| 19:40.45 | developer | join ##java |
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| 19:41.18 | developer | #join java |
| 19:41.32 | Titan8990 | developer: most irc clients begin commands with /. /join #java |
| 19:41.42 | grendal_prime | i have a cve for php5.2 I need to see if it has been delt with by any of the debian security patches. I thought i knew were to go for that but..i cant find anything . |
| 19:41.43 | babilen | developer: try: "/join ##java" |
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| 19:42.18 | posix4e | you rule, i am so glad i run debian! |
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| 19:42.27 | Titan8990 | grendal_prime: CVE-2010-0397 was the most recent patch for php5 |
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| 19:42.56 | greycat | jelly: I thought Sun made java |
| 19:43.18 | Titan8990 | I thought they had just bought rights to it |
| 19:43.24 | lorimar | anyone have experience with mondo archive? |
| 19:43.24 | jelly | greycat: yeah well, Sun's gone |
| 19:43.52 | jelly | history. It's pining for the fjords. |
| 19:44.03 | grendal_prime | ok but Titan8990does that list what is addressed in it? |
| 19:44.04 | Titan8990 | Java refers to a number of proprietary computer software products and specifications from Sun Microsystems, a subsidiary of Oracle Corporation, that together provide a system for developing application software and deploying it in a cross-platform environment. |
| 19:44.05 | babilen | lorimar: What is a "mondo archive" ? And what would you do if somebody has experience with it? |
| 19:44.14 | hideo | !tell lorimar about anyone |
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| 19:44.26 | Titan8990 | grendal_prime: Auke van Slooten discovered that PHP 5, an hypertext preprocessor, |
| 19:44.30 | Titan8990 | crashes (because of a NULL pointer dereference) when processing invalid |
| 19:44.35 | Titan8990 | XML-RPC requests. |
| 19:44.41 | Titan8990 | sorry, didn't catch the newlines in that |
| 19:44.51 | simonrvn | posix4e: reprepro can generate the Release files - they have to be correct though ;). |
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| 19:44.59 | lorimar | sorry, should have phrased this better |
| 19:45.02 | simonrvn | posix4e: otherwise it'll whine |
| 19:45.13 | posix4e | simonrvn: looks like i need to add a suite |
| 19:45.19 | lorimar | i'm trying to implement an os backup solution for our debian servers |
| 19:45.21 | jelly | posix4e: hearts! |
| 19:45.29 | grendal_prime | ok well what im wondering is where are you getting this info..i need to be able to look up a few of these cve's to see if they have been handled by any of the security patches |
| 19:45.31 | simonrvn | clubs! |
| 19:45.38 | lorimar | from my research, mondo (http://www.mondorescue.org) seems like one of the best solutions |
| 19:46.08 | lorimar | I've been trying to get it working on one of our test stations, but cant seem to get it past 1% backup |
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| 19:46.20 | greycat | "solutions" is one of those magic words like "enterprise" that tells me "this thing is going to suck, hard." |
| 19:46.23 | jelly | simonrvn: ⥠|
| 19:46.52 | jelly | posix4e: I gather you've solved the issue now using Suite? |
| 19:47.03 | posix4e | jelly: yep |
| 19:47.10 | hideo | greycat: "synergy" *irrates* |
| 19:47.14 | lorimar | too true, but i haven't found anything better :( |
| 19:47.19 | jelly | !win posix4e |
| 19:47.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, posix4e! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
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| 19:48.37 | developer | how do I registrate my nick? |
| 19:48.39 | alexidoia | could someone remind me how to look who is using a port with netstat ? |
| 19:48.45 | alexidoia | blackhole |
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| 19:49.06 | grul | he raises a good point |
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| 19:49.16 | jelly | !tell developer about nickserv |
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| 19:49.40 | jelly | now, it would be fun if dpkg only talked to registered users |
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| 19:49.59 | greycat | alexidoia: netstat -p | grep :PORT or lsof -i :PORT (have to be root) |
| 19:50.10 | hideo | grendal_prime: maybe check the changelog |
| 19:50.12 | greycat | alexidoia: the netstat might need other options too, like maybe -antp |
| 19:50.21 | greycat | I'd normally use lsof |
| 19:50.35 | lorimar | so if no one here has experience with mondo, what other os backup solutions can you reccomend? Trying to find something that will allow me to do a full baremetal restore in under 30 min |
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| 19:51.01 | grendal_prime | hideo: ya the change log does not metion this. The werid part it is an exploit that is first noticed in 2006 but i dont see any secruity update that addresses it |
| 19:51.05 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.40 | alexidoia | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:54.22 | hideo | grendal_prime: seems it's not in debian's changelog, try checking upstream changelog |
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| 19:56.08 | hideo | grendal_prime: http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 19:57.43 | cusco | hi |
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| 19:58.51 | hideo | grendal_prime: also check out debsecan |
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| 20:00.10 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
| 20:00.20 | grendal_prime | i dont know why i just could not find that information |
| 20:00.37 | hideo | grendal_prime: debsecan looks good |
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| 20:03.44 | hideo | grendal_prime: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
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| 20:04.16 | Titan8990 | grendal_prime: also, consider signing up to the security mailing lists |
| 20:04.18 | jelly | !tracker of DOOM |
| 20:04.18 | dpkg | methinks tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 20:04.45 | hideo | jelly: well damn, I should've know about that factor =( |
| 20:04.52 | hideo | known* |
| 20:05.23 | jelly | hideo: but you knew s-t.d.org worked now, along with .net |
| 20:06.07 | jelly | dpkg, tracker of doom =~ s/security-tracker.debian.net/security-tracker.debian.org/ |
| 20:06.07 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
| 20:06.16 | hideo | factoid* wtf is wrong with my english |
| 20:06.19 | dazikas | std is not a good name |
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| 20:06.56 | greycat | it's an excellent name for a list of security issues |
| 20:07.11 | hideo | no kidding |
| 20:07.15 | jelly | *clap* *clap* |
| 20:07.22 | dazikas | man i am happy tho crunchbang stopped using ubuntu as it's source distro and hopped onto debian :-) |
| 20:07.36 | dazikas | works way more smooth, even tho it's on squeeze :-) |
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| 20:08.44 | dazikas | wonder how many months till squeeze stable :X |
| 20:08.57 | dazikas | looking as it took 22 months for the last one |
| 20:09.00 | greycat | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 20:09.00 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 20:09.00 | dpkg | ! icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
| 20:09.01 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 20:09.37 | Titan8990 | never could figure out how the "squeeze bet" worked |
| 20:09.39 | abrotman | oh .. i'm going to have to add my birthday again :) |
| 20:09.45 | DexterF | when I interrupt a raid resync by shutting down the machine, will it continue where it left or will it start over? |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | CMOT and valdyn have a collision |
| 20:10.32 | jelly | Titan8990: just edit the factoid |
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| 20:10.37 | jelly | greycat: valdyn has two tickets, no fair |
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| 20:10.44 | greycat | eek. |
| 20:10.59 | Titan8990 | jelly: ah, just edit the factoid for the date you think it will release... I was guessing 2011, i see all 2010 in there |
| 20:11.14 | jelly | Titan8990: optimists forever |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | Titan8990: mostly late 2010 though |
| 20:11.41 | dazikas | well ye it will be out in 2011 but when excatly |
| 20:11.42 | dazikas | :) |
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| 20:11.43 | jelly | dpkg, factinfo squeeze pool 1 |
| 20:11.43 | dpkg | squeeze pool 1 -- created by themill <n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Thu Feb 12 19:53:48 2009 (406 days); it has been requested 43 times, last by greycat, 2m 43s ago. |
| 20:11.45 | hideo | I thought it's when Mark tells them it should be released |
| 20:11.47 | pocahonta | holaaaa |
| 20:11.48 | hideo | ducks |
| 20:11.51 | pocahonta | hay alguien aca? |
| 20:12.02 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:12.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:12.06 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I know that was the orginal talk. but orginal talk also would have meant squeeze would be in freeze right now |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | Titan8990: it's okay .. it's still going to release WIR,SIYH :) |
| 20:12.30 | greycat | I'm not sure what language "aca" is from |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | not english ? |
| 20:12.45 | jelly | abrotman: I kind of doubt that SIYH part! |
| 20:12.50 | abrotman | maybe not for me :) |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | the rest looks like Spanish, but I don't recognize that last word |
| 20:13.18 | jelly | whois says Argentina |
| 20:13.26 | pocahonta | hola |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | pocahonta: #debian-es |
| 20:13.34 | Sazpaimon_ | is there a version of gzip that will use multiple cpu cores for a single file? |
| 20:13.40 | pocahonta | recien acabo de visitar #debian-es pero me bloquea el chat |
| 20:13.46 | jelly | !ar |
| 20:13.47 | dpkg | i heard ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:13.54 | pocahonta | #debian-es :Cannot send to channel |
| 20:13.56 | pocahonta | #debian-es :Cannot send to channel |
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| 20:14.01 | pocahonta | :( |
| 20:14.03 | abrotman | pocahonta: on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:14.21 | jelly | abrotman: the bot doesn't say that! |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | pocahonta: or you've been banned from that channel |
| 20:14.32 | greycat | The /topic of #debian-es says you must be registered |
| 20:14.38 | pocahonta | no, es automatico ya. |
| 20:14.39 | abrotman | oh lovely |
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| 20:14.43 | greycat | "Por abusos, solo usuarios registrados podrán hablar" |
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| 20:14.47 | jelly | pocahonta: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:14.48 | abrotman | pocahonta: /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:15.06 | abrotman | i'd imagine the one on OFTC doesn't require registration |
| 20:15.23 | Sazpaimon_ | also, I'm zeroing out the empty space on my drive by copying /dev/zero until i run out of space. Now that this is happening, I see flush-8:0 taking up 100% cpu |
| 20:15.32 | Sazpaimon_ | what is this thing doing? |
| 20:15.44 | greycat | I'd imagine it's flushing data out to the disk. |
| 20:15.45 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: it's writing all those zeros to disk |
| 20:16.00 | babilen | abrotman: Does not look like it. But the one over here has more users, they should think about that policy |
| 20:16.12 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly, is that due to me running sync? |
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| 20:16.22 | greycat | Sazpaimon_: it'll have to get written at some point |
| 20:16.34 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: no, it's due to you writing lots of stuff to disk. |
| 20:16.39 | abrotman | babilen: go ahead and ask them :) |
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| 20:17.01 | Sazpaimon_ | well i guess I'll let it run then |
| 20:17.13 | babilen | abrotman: Will do - Hope they understand one of the languages *I* speak :) |
| 20:17.17 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: you definitely will, since this is a kernel thread and you can't kill it |
| 20:17.22 | Sazpaimon_ | back to my original question though, is there a version of gzip that can take advantage of multiple cores? |
| 20:17.40 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: there's pbzip2 |
| 20:17.42 | Titan8990 | no, but there is for bzip2 IIRC |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | I don't think the gzip algorithm has been parallelized |
| 20:18.00 | Sazpaimon_ | bzip2, so i can get the worst of both worlds, the worst of compression AND speed |
| 20:18.04 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: pbzip2 on 8 cores is typically a bit faster than gzip |
| 20:18.14 | Sazpaimon_ | i only have 2 cores |
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| 20:18.33 | jelly | judd: info lrzip --release sid |
| 20:18.34 | judd | lrzip (utils, optional): compression program with a very high compression ratio. Version: 0.44-2; Size: 110.1k; Installed: 296k; Homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/lrzip |
| 20:18.37 | Titan8990 | if you want the highest level of compression, you probably want lzma anyways |
| 20:18.52 | greycat | because we needed more compression programs. yeah. |
| 20:19.01 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: you could try that one and see if it fits your needs |
| 20:19.02 | AimHere | If you want the highest level of compression at all costs, you're probably an elitist warez nerd. |
| 20:19.27 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly, the lrzip line? |
| 20:19.27 | Titan8990 | greycat: I have seen tests where lzma did *considerably* better than gzip and bzip2 |
| 20:19.34 | hideo | nah all warez people use winrar |
| 20:19.34 | jelly | greycat: made by my favourite not-a-kernel-developer, ck |
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| 20:20.06 | Titan8990 | hideo: RAR actually is comparable to lzma |
| 20:20.06 | greycat | probably not all, but RAR is very popular |
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| 20:20.29 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: on 2 cores, you can run two gzips at the same time! |
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| 20:20.37 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly, not for a single file i can't |
| 20:20.38 | AimHere | Warez people use winrar because they notice a 2% increase over pkzip. Nowadays they switch to some proprietary nonsense like ACE or 7zip and as often as not encode their rars or avis or .zips with it, because they're idiots. |
| 20:20.56 | frennzy | where are the SSH logs saves? I cant find the log at /var/log... |
| 20:21.24 | Titan8990 | AimHere: 7zip is not proprietary. the application is GPL and it uses lzma for compression |
| 20:21.26 | jelly | AimHere: rar had useful splits/multivolumes and data correction |
| 20:21.27 | greycat | there are no ssh logs |
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| 20:21.38 | Sazpaimon_ | im gzipping dd output, and I dont feel like splitting up the file |
| 20:21.45 | greycat | there's auth.log for the authentication, but there's no log of the content |
| 20:21.52 | lorimar | so if no one here has experience with mondo, what other os backup solutions can you reccomend? Trying to find something that will allow me to do a full baremetal restore in under 30 min |
| 20:21.59 | AimHere | There's a .rar application in debian main too, yet the format is proprietary |
| 20:22.01 | Sazpaimon_ | and if I use 7zip, i'll probably wait days for compression |
| 20:22.09 | dazikas | lorimar, dd |
| 20:22.10 | Titan8990 | Sazpaimon_: dd output is not going to compress well |
| 20:22.12 | frennzy | greycat, so how im I supposed so see who connects my debian box? |
| 20:22.12 | greycat | lorimar: then you |
| 20:22.19 | greycat | lorimar: then you'd better have a REALLY FUCKIN' SMALL set of data. |
| 20:22.25 | Sazpaimon_ | Titan8990, that's why i wanted to use gzip |
| 20:22.37 | greycat | frennzy: auth.log shows the authentications if that's what you're interested it |
| 20:22.37 | Sazpaimon_ | its going to be fast, and I'm going to get a decent compression |
| 20:22.38 | jelly | greycat: or friggin fast disks! |
| 20:22.52 | Titan8990 | Sazpaimon_: or little to none at all... |
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| 20:23.00 | lorimar | most of our os installs are pretty tiny. roughly 300MB |
| 20:23.04 | greycat | jelly: plus whatever media he's backing up to |
| 20:23.05 | Sazpaimon_ | Titan8990, I'll at least compress the zero bytes on the disk |
| 20:23.14 | lorimar | backing up to local hdd |
| 20:23.19 | Titan8990 | Sazpaimon_: I am not so sure about that |
| 20:23.31 | greycat | lorimar: if you want the ultimate in fast recovery, keep a spare HD with a ready-to-boot image |
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| 20:23.47 | Sazpaimon_ | Titan8990, i'vr been able to compress 250GB disks down to 50 or so gigs, or whatever size i was using on the disk itself |
| 20:23.54 | jelly | greycat: well, a set of 20-40 rather ordinary disks can deliver data rather fast if arranged nicely |
| 20:23.54 | dazikas | just mirror raid |
| 20:23.56 | hideo | lorimar: if it's that small, then dd would suffice |
| 20:23.59 | dazikas | then replug the cable |
| 20:24.03 | lorimar | greycat: that would be ideal, but we are looking to have an archive of os backups, one per week going back 4 months |
| 20:24.15 | Titan8990 | Sazpaimon_: is this some kind of terrible backup scheme? |
| 20:24.26 | lorimar | we do run raid1, but still want to cover our ass |
| 20:24.30 | Sazpaimon_ | Titan8990, no, I need to load the disk in vmware on my local computer |
| 20:24.42 | dazikas | lorimar, use tapes |
| 20:24.43 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 20:25.04 | jelly | dazikas: together with which software? |
| 20:25.17 | Titan8990 | backupedge, what else? :p |
| 20:25.18 | greycat | tar, pax, cpio, star |
| 20:25.31 | greycat | not necessarily in that order |
| 20:25.34 | dazikas | jelly, that depends which vendor tapes u use |
| 20:25.41 | lorimar | dazikas, ugh. hate tapes. had some bad experiences. plus hdd is so cheap these days |
| 20:25.43 | jelly | dazikas: not really |
| 20:26.18 | Titan8990 | lorimar: and arguably less reliable |
| 20:26.26 | Sazpaimon_ | at any rate, why wouldnt gzip compress the zero bytes on the disk? |
| 20:26.26 | dazikas | tapes won't die on u |
| 20:26.27 | dazikas | :) |
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| 20:26.34 | Sazpaimon_ | doesnt dd just output the raw disk? |
| 20:26.47 | jelly | lorimar: I guess pretty much any half-arsed script will be able to partition, format, restore 300MB and set up grub in 30 minutes. |
| 20:27.20 | Titan8990 | wouldn't a hot spare be better? |
| 20:27.44 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Tapes are one of the least reliable media available. |
| 20:27.47 | Sazpaimon_ | im sure dd if=/dev/sda | gzip | ssh user@remote_server dd of=/dest/path/sda.gz would do this just fine |
| 20:28.04 | jelly | lordlamer: so, I guess you're asking for the name of a known good software that already does that? |
| 20:28.06 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, not really. they don't die as much as hdd do :) |
| 20:28.07 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: They may not die, but you chance of a successfull complete restore are less than 90%. |
| 20:28.08 | jelly | er. |
| 20:28.25 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, amg really? so far we had no problems |
| 20:28.26 | dazikas | :) |
| 20:28.26 | Sazpaimon_ | or gzip -c i guess |
| 20:28.34 | dazikas | where do u get this statistics? |
| 20:28.37 | jelly | oh, the original user disappeared |
| 20:28.38 | dazikas | is it on hp or ibm ? |
| 20:28.41 | dazikas | or smth else? |
| 20:28.44 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: For every server in which I've had a tape drive, I have replaced twice as many tape drives as hard drives. |
| 20:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: How often do you do test restores or random datasets? |
| 20:29.09 | dazikas | must be some shitty tapes :-) |
| 20:29.14 | jhutchins_lt | s/or/of |
| 20:29.18 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, regulary |
| 20:29.34 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: naturally, tape drives are stored in a separate library rather than having one in each server |
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| 20:30.03 | dazikas | operations department do the actual tape testing, we are engineering so we do more planing/configuring |
| 20:30.29 | dazikas | can't excatly tell u how often they test em but it's quite regulary |
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| 20:30.39 | Mish- | Urgent: :) - As far as I can see, 'openssl' for Lenny is at "0.9.8g", am I right? If so, how come? Why is this when the latest is "0.9.8n"? |
| 20:30.42 | dazikas | esp in the banking industry |
| 20:30.43 | dazikas | :) |
| 20:30.50 | posix4e | Does anyone know how to sign the release file gpg -s doesn't seem to work |
| 20:30.51 | jelly | dazikas: he's asking about the whole DR procedure testing, not just media verification |
| 20:30.54 | Titan8990 | judd: versions openssl |
| 20:30.55 | judd | openssl -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; sid: 0.9.8m-2; squeeze: 0.9.8m-2 |
| 20:31.01 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: http://jhutchins.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_archive.html |
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| 20:32.04 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: keyword there being "...Tape drives for _consumer-grade_ systems..." |
| 20:32.09 | Mish- | judd: Yes, but why 0.9.8g, when that's so old now? |
| 20:32.19 | posix4e | jelly: have you ever manually signed Release? |
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| 20:32.32 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, well i am not sure of how many actual restores we did from tapes, since we have replication in different data centers |
| 20:32.41 | dazikas | it's the last line of defence so to say |
| 20:32.43 | greycat | !stable |
| 20:32.43 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 20:32.50 | greycat | That's why. |
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| 20:33.09 | jelly | posix4e: nope, sorry. I stopped making repos before debian found about signing. |
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| 20:33.20 | posix4e | jelly: ahh |
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| 20:34.17 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Hard drive storage is becoming so cheap and is so much more reliable. I know the big iron drives are better - I've worked with tape since before pneumatic auto-loaders for reel-to-reel - but there are still issues that make seperate, redundant, offline HD storage a better option these days. |
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| 20:34.42 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, yeh well, it's not that simple yet :) |
| 20:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | I still have the little gizmo to cut the tape for a half-moon splice. |
| 20:35.02 | Titan8990 | we still have some 9-track tapes here in the storage room |
| 20:35.06 | dazikas | at enterprise level there are no thing that will replace the tapes in the comming years |
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| 20:35.13 | dazikas | in 10 years yeah prolly |
| 20:35.17 | dazikas | but not in the comming few |
| 20:35.25 | jhutchins_lt | I have seen evidence you're wrong. |
| 20:35.36 | dazikas | we have so much tape machines u could prolly build a few skyscrapers |
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| 20:35.40 | dazikas | and no ones gonna replace em |
| 20:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | Distributed storage arrays. |
| 20:36.02 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, sure, google/facebook might do it , but not the banks |
| 20:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Actually, there are banks who are doing it. |
| 20:36.23 | dazikas | which? |
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| 20:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Then again, there are banks who's codebase is primarily Cobol '77. |
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| 20:36.50 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, well we do have mainframes from the 70's still running :-D |
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| 20:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | Oops. Sorry, thought we were in d-ot. |
| 20:37.55 | Gnudoll | jhutchins_lt: the reason for cobol is that it is a source code that "managers can read" |
| 20:38.22 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, there is a golden rule. "if something works - leave it alone" |
| 20:38.25 | dazikas | :) |
| 20:38.30 | dazikas | and some things just work |
| 20:38.33 | Gnudoll | isn't there a cobol compiler for debian? |
| 20:38.47 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Until y2k at least. |
| 20:38.57 | Titan8990 | Gnudoll: opencobol |
| 20:39.06 | maligor | probably a compiler for anything in debian |
| 20:39.43 | dazikas | i mean we do buy new mainframes as well but they go into smth new, the old ones just keep goin :) |
| 20:40.01 | dazikas | till someone decites to decomission it |
| 20:40.04 | dazikas | *decides |
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| 20:43.07 | Tommy_DO | hmmm. what am I doing wrong? I just wanted to debianize a package via dh_make, but the generated debian/rules has only one not-commented line. |
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| 20:44.45 | Tommy_DO | and it's really short, just 13 lines |
| 20:47.09 | jelly | Tommy_DO: does it work? :-) |
| 20:47.52 | Tommy_DO | jelly: obviously not. how could a debian/rules, that just contains "dh $@" work properly? |
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| 20:48.11 | jelly | Tommy_DO: I hoped it was an include. |
| 20:48.27 | Tommy_DO | jelly: i'm afraid not |
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| 20:49.17 | themill | Tommy_DO: there should be two non-comment lines. And that would be sufficient for an autofoo based project |
| 20:49.21 | greycat | if it worked, he probably wouldn't be here |
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| 20:51.06 | Tommy_DO | themill: oh, you're right. there's a "%:" in there as well. but i'm used to a much more detailled debian/rules generated by dh_make. is that some kind of new behavior of dh_make? |
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| 20:51.32 | themill | Tommy_DO: that's debhelper version 7 at work. |
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| 20:52.50 | mogunus | Hi. Is there a command line (ncurses or something) countdown timer? |
| 20:53.19 | greycat | <-greybot[rfc1413@wooledge.org] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/044 -- How do I create a progress bar? How do I see a progress indicator when copying/moving files? |
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| 20:53.21 | innociv | how do I have mail on my debian box when I never set mail up? |
| 20:53.33 | greycat | innociv: exim4 is installed as part of a standard system |
| 20:53.36 | greycat | I think |
| 20:53.55 | greycat | and apparently in lenny it uses a default config that doesn't force you to answer questions during install |
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| 20:54.14 | innociv | well how do i disable incoming mail.. and how do I set up the mail to work on a domain? I need php to send mails out. |
| 20:54.22 | innociv | and already having mail received is confusing me |
| 20:54.32 | greycat | I'm pretty sure the default config does *not* listen on non-loopback interfaces |
| 20:54.41 | greycat | anyway: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:54.53 | innociv | yeah looks like i ahve exim-4 |
| 20:55.07 | mogunus | greycat: I don't want to time scripts, I want to give it, say, 5min, and then watch it count down. |
| 20:55.08 | Cain | link events are logged ? (eth0: link is down... link is up) ? |
| 20:55.30 | mogunus | And maybe it beeps when the count is up. Like a stopwatch. |
| 20:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: mail is a standard notification method for some services, if you set up a server it at least does local mail. |
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| 20:56.14 | jelly | Cain: I _think_ it depends on the driver, and they usually are, yes |
| 20:56.15 | innociv | what config do I need to send outgoing mail from user@domain.com? I have dns set already. It has "internet site; mail is sent and received by SMTP" "mail sent by smarthost" "local delivery only" |
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| 20:58.42 | Titan8990 | innociv: more than likely, mail sent by a smarthost if you have an smtp server you can relay to |
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| 20:59.48 | Cain | jelly : i suspect the cable for being timeout a lot when sshing, is there a way to test the cable (soft, script..) |
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| 21:03.03 | innociv | this config is confusing :/ |
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| 21:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: describe your connection in more detail please. |
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| 21:06.45 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : i have to servers (lets say A & B) at the office, when connecting from home to A & B (through ssh sessions (putty) when B is connected all the time, A timeouts |
| 21:06.56 | Cain | s/to/2 |
| 21:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: If you are going to operate a mail server on the internet PLEASE don't just click a few buttons and get somebody's semi-working default. |
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| 21:07.06 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:07.26 | innociv | i only want to allow outgoing mail |
| 21:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: I prefer postfix: http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 21:07.47 | innociv | I think i used postfix on ubuntu |
| 21:07.54 | innociv | and it was pretty simple iirc |
| 21:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: Please understand the methods for insuring and testing that you do not relay mail. |
| 21:08.03 | innociv | relay mail? |
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| 21:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: Already you're in trouble. |
| 21:08.16 | innociv | i want to just block incoming so i don't have to worry about that junk :\ |
| 21:08.19 | tamash | :) |
| 21:08.27 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : and sometimes the hole servers behind the modem is unreachable when i still can log into the modem webinterface, i suspect the hole cable installation :/ (new office) |
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| 21:08.42 | innociv | I don't understand how configuring an MTA turns out being infinitely more complicated than an httpd |
| 21:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: I'm still not sure what you mean by "cable installation". |
| 21:09.22 | tamash | innociv: its not necessary more complicated. but more dangerous if you dont understand what you do |
| 21:09.40 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : the rj45 cable |
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| 21:10.47 | tamash | thats what jhutchins_lt talked about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_mail_relay |
| 21:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: Physical cabling usually either works or doesn't work, it doesn't work some of the time and not others, unless it's exposed to weather, or something moving or crushing it. |
| 21:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: If it's intermittent, it's more likely to be be a switch or router or somethign that's failing. |
| 21:11.21 | innociv | what bad can happen if I block all incoming mail? |
| 21:11.43 | tamash | innociv: still smbd can use your smtpd to relay mail over it. |
| 21:11.43 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: I would use something like nagios to monitor multiple points along the way from both ends. |
| 21:11.44 | innociv | Oh I see |
| 21:11.50 | tamash | innociv: read the article |
| 21:11.51 | innociv | someone using my MTA to send /out/ mail |
| 21:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: Then you can start to narrow down where the failure is. |
| 21:12.24 | Cain | jhutchins_it : thx i'll try it, |
| 21:12.37 | tamash | innociv: exactly. its called "relaying" |
| 21:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: nagios isn't the simplest thing to set up, but it's very satisfying. |
| 21:13.00 | innociv | I guess that explains all the hurdles |
| 21:13.19 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : ready for the nagios adventure ^^ |
| 21:13.29 | nsadmin | innociv: so you would block those incoming emails whose destination address is not handled by that machine |
| 21:13.43 | nsadmin | if you don't block those, then you are an open relay |
| 21:13.48 | innociv | Can't i stop it with blocking ALL incoming mail? |
| 21:13.53 | tamash | innociv: hope it does. if your machine is found to be an open mail relay. people won't accept mail from you for very long |
| 21:13.56 | nsadmin | sure |
| 21:14.15 | nsadmin | but then, why run an email server at all at that point? |
| 21:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: From my home server I monitor my local devices, my ISP gateway, remote gateways for servers I mangage, then those servers. I also monitor some servers that are very reliable so I can compare downtime on something I run with downtime on something public. |
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| 21:15.59 | tamash | innociv: well, yes you can somehow. but this is not very satisfying if you want your MTA to be a reliable service |
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| 21:16.07 | aef_ | hi, i'm looking for minimal X11 environment to get a windows console application running on my Debian lenny server via wine. any ideas? |
| 21:16.20 | zleap | xfce |
| 21:16.22 | zleap | fluxbox |
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| 21:16.31 | tamash | aef_: errr, use wine :) |
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| 21:16.44 | nkuttler | aef_: console application? look into dosbox and those dos emulators |
| 21:16.51 | innociv | tamash reliable how? |
| 21:16.53 | nsadmin | sawfish, fvwm, many others |
| 21:16.58 | innociv | I just need it to send confirmation emails |
| 21:17.01 | nsadmin | scwm |
| 21:17.29 | aef_ | tamash, nkuttler: it is the windows version of the half-life 1 server, because the mod, which i want to run, offers no linux binaries. |
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| 21:17.52 | aef_ | tamash, nkuttler: wineconsole says: Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded. |
| 21:18.27 | tamash | innociv: check out what an MTA on the web should do and not. you will will quickly see that there are reasons to talk talk to other MTA's outgoing and incoming... |
| 21:18.27 | nkuttler | aef_: i use virtualbox for all windows things |
| 21:18.42 | tamash | s/talk// |
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| 21:19.17 | innociv | bleh |
| 21:19.31 | innociv | What do people normally do with a "no-reply" email address? |
| 21:19.36 | tamash | aef_: sorry. no idea.....qemu...stuff maybe....no idea of that gaming foo |
| 21:20.16 | tamash | innociv: they tell their MTA that mails incomming on noreply@mydomain.com should go to /dev/null |
| 21:20.30 | nsadmin | innociv: looks to me like you could use to read up on some general email concepts |
| 21:20.30 | tamash | innociv: but only for noreply@ adr. |
| 21:20.42 | tamash | innociv: i totaly agree with nsadmin |
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| 21:21.39 | aef_ | nkuttler, tamash: i really don't want windows running on my server, too |
| 21:21.44 | innociv | This just seems. .dumb |
| 21:21.46 | aef_ | even if it's virtual |
| 21:21.55 | Hydroxide | idly wishes that someone would come up with a good enhancement to the email RFCs that allows you to specify some useful reply method other than email (e.g. phone or web or postal) |
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| 21:22.02 | innociv | Why is there is simple config for when you want a mailserver to send confirmations to people for websites? |
| 21:22.13 | Hydroxide | then noreply could go away :) |
| 21:22.15 | innociv | is there no ismple* |
| 21:22.16 | innociv | simple* |
| 21:22.17 | Hydroxide | innociv: yes, that's the simple config |
| 21:22.39 | nsadmin | Hydroxide well that's up to the content of the email (as it stands now) |
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| 21:22.57 | Hydroxide | innociv: there's no pre-canned solution in debian, just like there's no precanned send-confirmation-from-websites plumbing independent from whatever webapp you're using |
| 21:23.23 | Hydroxide | innociv: and not everyone wants emails to noreply@ to be discarded - some might want to look at them occasionally, or process bounced mails, etc |
| 21:23.28 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: indeed |
| 21:23.55 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: would still be nice to allow a reply to bring up a VoIP client or iceweasel or word processor with letter template pre-filled |
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| 21:24.07 | nsadmin | the polite thing to do from a web app which is collecting client leads, is to make sure the potential client actually wants to be a lead, and does own and control the email address |
| 21:24.13 | Hydroxide | nods |
| 21:24.35 | nsadmin | it could do that once and then send lots of emails, each with a configure link |
| 21:25.19 | Hydroxide | my employer does have send some noreply emails, but only for people who have done the usual sign up / click on a confirmation email process, or who are paying customers, depending on which thing you're talking about. plz to not spam, in general :) |
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| 21:25.39 | nsadmin | then by the end of the series if the potential client is still with you, he becomes an on-target lead |
| 21:25.58 | tamash | well, yes i am pretty sure most of them dont send them to /dev/null but that was at least the answer that the innociv expected |
| 21:26.18 | tamash | s/the// |
| 21:26.28 | Hydroxide | tamash: indeed. we process them to react appropriately to bounces. probably many other companies who are doing legitimate mass mailings do the same |
| 21:26.31 | tamash | is gettin tired |
| 21:26.37 | innociv | it's for confirmation emails, not spamming |
| 21:26.47 | tamash | Hydroxide: pretty sure |
| 21:26.52 | nsadmin | I'm actually building a lead generator |
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| 21:27.12 | Hydroxide | innociv: that's good. doesn't change anything I've said from a technical perspective. |
| 21:27.42 | tamash | :-) |
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| 21:27.49 | rgr | the installer really should allow the turning on of non free - maybe more people would be able to install from scratch using their wireless then. silly not to allow it. |
| 21:28.37 | Hydroxide | rgr: it does allow it with some boot options. however, the best solution for that particular problem is to follow the instructions in the install manual for dealing with non-free firmware requirements |
| 21:28.44 | tamash | rgr: talking about the debian installer? |
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| 21:28.54 | rgr | squeeze. |
| 21:29.06 | Hydroxide | rgr: the answer is not "give up" - the answer is "get this tarball and make the files in it available in one of these ways during the install" |
| 21:29.26 | Hydroxide | rgr: and it will install the necessary firmware packages, and even enable non-free and contrib if necessary to get updated firmware later on |
| 21:29.29 | nsadmin | rgr: I suppose that would be one way... politically speaking tho, debian doesn't include non-free |
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| 21:29.41 | rgr | that said, touch wood its going well - I used sysrescue cd gparted to prepsre the drive so as not to wipe the existing windows and restore partitin and the installer is now flying tthrough. |
| 21:30.00 | themill | rgr: you can preseed that in. Check the install guide for details. |
| 21:30.03 | Hydroxide | rgr: what I described has worked since lenny, and it's a very nice improvement over previous requirements :) |
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| 21:30.29 | Hydroxide | rgr: but, yes, if you want non-free for other reasons, use boot options like I said or preseeding like themill said - both are documented |
| 21:30.31 | rgr | Does any of the installer include a resize partition optin? |
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| 21:30.50 | Hydroxide | rgr: yes, debian has had partition resizing since etch or lenny at least |
| 21:30.52 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 21:30.54 | Hydroxide | in the installer |
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| 21:30.57 | Hydroxide | even for windows partitions |
| 21:31.02 | themill | makes rgr read the install guide.... |
| 21:31.06 | rgr | squeeze installer - netinst, doesnt |
| 21:31.13 | Hydroxide | rgr: not true :) |
| 21:31.17 | Hydroxide | rgr: check the docs, please :) |
| 21:31.22 | rgr | then they hid it well. I just ran it. |
| 21:32.03 | rgr | still, its alwasys harrowing installing dual boot and I might have missed it. |
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| 21:32.56 | Hydroxide | rgr: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-partition, section 6.3.2.3, fourth paragraph |
| 21:33.10 | nsadmin | is it possible to set defaults as to how a partitioner such as fdisk lays out partitions? |
| 21:33.19 | tamash | going to sleep. cya all |
| 21:33.25 | Hydroxide | rgr: I agree it could be more obvious in the installer, but it's definitely there and documented and easy to use once you realize it is there :) |
| 21:34.01 | Hydroxide | rgr: (ok, the docs should also be updated to mention that it works with ntfs. agreed.) |
| 21:34.02 | nsadmin | example, I'd like to alter the size of the chainload area starting at sector 1, and I'd like to add chainload areas of arbitrary size to primary partitions |
| 21:34.19 | rgr | ;) |
| 21:34.52 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: yes, these things are quite possible with d-i. I don't know how though :) |
| 21:34.55 | rgr | Fingers crossed. I'm all excited. Moving my main debian laptop from a PIII to a core 2 duo T60. Installer is just finishing up now ..... |
| 21:34.58 | nsadmin | one reason, I want to have the chainload area be large enough for stage2 |
| 21:35.04 | Hydroxide | rgr: cool :) |
| 21:35.23 | rgr | Beautiful bit of kit. I just PRAY the ATI card works ok with HW acceleration |
| 21:35.29 | Hydroxide | rgr: btw, if you have patches for the installer documentation, feel free to submit them :) |
| 21:35.41 | Hydroxide | still time to improve them before squeeze's release |
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| 21:36.09 | Hydroxide | ati cards have much better free-software acceleration than they used to |
| 21:36.15 | Hydroxide | plus proprietary options also exist |
| 21:36.39 | rgr | Jus one FYI, I installed the 2.6.33 kernel and my freezes on my thinkpad X30 disappeared. X kept resizing the dekstop with the .32 kernel. |
| 21:36.54 | rgr | and those resizes sometimes hnug themachine solid. |
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| 21:37.05 | Hydroxide | rgr: yeah - squeeze will release with a 2.6.32 kernel with some video acceleration bits from .33 pulled into it |
| 21:37.13 | rgr | k. |
| 21:37.15 | Hydroxide | rgr: I wouldn't be surprised if what you're saying is why :) |
| 21:37.21 | maligor | mm.. you mean drm bit |
| 21:37.23 | Hydroxide | rgr: but no idea what's in squeeze currently |
| 21:37.25 | maligor | err.. bits |
| 21:37.29 | windmill | Is there a net install image for USB sticks? |
| 21:37.36 | rgr | there was a modeset issue with i915 - intel graphics. |
| 21:37.40 | Hydroxide | maligor: yes. that's video acceleration related. not digital rights/restrictions management ;) |
| 21:37.42 | innociv | So.. what should I look up when I want to configure postfix to send/receive mails from an address on my domain, and to be for just sending regristratoin confirmation type emails? Not googling a guide very well. ;\ |
| 21:38.01 | fireba11 | can someone explain to me why on debian stable munin-run says the processes plugin can't be executed while it works fine if i call it manually? |
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| 21:38.21 | maligor | Hydroxide, it'll be a sad day when debian includes digital rights management |
| 21:38.25 | fireba11 | (obviously the plugin doesn't work or i woulnd't have tried) |
| 21:38.51 | rgr | woohoo, it detected windows and added that to grub ..... reboot comng up ... <skipping around like a kid at christmas> ... |
| 21:39.08 | jimcooncat | fireba11: isn't it always a permissions problem? |
| 21:39.38 | Hydroxide | maligor: I can assure you that debian won't include any lockdown of that sort :) although it does allow people to make use of things like TPM chips for whatever security purposes of their own they may have, and at least kde's pdf viewer makes it configurable whether or not to respect the use restrictions specified in the pdf |
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| 21:39.43 | fireba11 | jimcooncat: that the plugin won't run installed from the debian package? also im running munin-run as root |
| 21:39.54 | Hydroxide | maligor: debian is certainly not going to impose anything like that though |
| 21:40.07 | rgr | Hydroxide: urgent help required. It prompted to add Windows to grub. I said yes. It didnt. The squeeze alpha 6 installer. booting to Linux now. |
| 21:40.14 | maligor | Hydroxide, it'll always depend on the social norm.. eventually |
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| 21:40.44 | fireba11 | jimcooncat: ERROR: Could not execute plugin (plugin doesn't exist?). |
| 21:40.57 | Hydroxide | maligor: debian is not going to sacrifice the freedom of its users. period. (that freedom includes the freedom to lock it down, such as in the context of a company-owned laptop with partially-trusted employees, but not as debian's decision) |
| 21:41.11 | maligor | Hydroxide, but yeah, I agree, debian looses it's meaning if it can't work as it is now |
| 21:41.26 | Hydroxide | maligor: debian has a social contract for a reason :) |
| 21:41.27 | windmill | Ubuntu provides a boot.img.gz file for the netinstaller for USB sticks does debian not have the same? |
| 21:41.31 | Hydroxide | maligor: one of the only distros to do so |
| 21:41.35 | Hydroxide | windmill: check the docs :) we have one too |
| 21:41.46 | developer | whats the easiest way to install sun java on debian |
| 21:42.03 | Mish- | Question - What's the best way to get Lenny to "Apache 2.2.14 or greater" and "OpenSSL 0.9.8k or greater"? |
| 21:42.23 | maligor | developer, if it's stable, sun-java5 packages |
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| 21:42.26 | jimcooncat | fireba11: a single plugin doesn't work while others do? |
| 21:42.31 | maligor | if you're happy enough with java 5 |
| 21:42.33 | fireba11 | jimcooncat: yes |
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| 21:42.56 | developer | yes but should I donwload it fron sun.com? |
| 21:43.05 | fireba11 | jimcooncat: in fact it tells me it doesn't exist. naturally i checked file permissions and owners |
| 21:43.07 | Hydroxide | rgr: since Debian installs grub2 now, you can ask in #grub too... |
| 21:43.13 | windmill | Hydroxide, I'm at a loss, it should be in the images/netboot directory but isn't |
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| 21:43.18 | jimcooncat | fireba11: I was going to suggest looking at paths in your config, but I'd guess that's not the problem. sorry, got no clue. |
| 21:43.20 | dvs | developer: no need to |
| 21:43.26 | Hydroxide | developer: you can get sun java from the sun-java5-sdk or sun-java6-sdk packages in non-free |
| 21:43.52 | Hydroxide | developer: or you can use the openjdk-6-* packages |
| 21:44.07 | nsadmin | Mish- first look to see if those versions are in back ports, if not, try to do simple backports a la /msg dpkg ssb, and if that doesn't work out you could build them yourself into somewhere like /usr/local (which debian packaging has no business touching) |
| 21:44.14 | developer | dont want the open jdk Im using it now |
| 21:44.17 | Hydroxide | developer: which are basically the same sun code under a free software license with a few bits replaced with equivalents to make it fully legal |
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| 21:44.38 | Hydroxide | developer: ok. I gave you the answer you asked for first :) |
| 21:44.46 | developer | how do I get åackages which are non free |
| 21:44.54 | Hydroxide | !non-free |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:45.03 | Hydroxide | !non-free sources |
| 21:45.04 | dpkg | from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 21:45.30 | Hydroxide | developer: once you do that, you can add any of the sun-java5 or sun-java6 packages. (I got the names slightly wrong, but not very) |
| 21:45.58 | developer | okej |
| 21:46.09 | Hydroxide | heads out & |
| 21:46.28 | themill | sun-java6-jdk, fwiw. But openjdk-6-jdk should do just as well |
| 21:46.55 | rgr | gah |
| 21:46.59 | dvs | nah |
| 21:47.00 | Titan8990 | developer: if you have an existing version of java installed, you also need to run update-java-alternatives |
| 21:47.14 | developer | yes but Im having a minor problem with sending mail and I though that maybe it could be the openjava |
| 21:47.29 | themill | developer: is this the same problem you were working on a few days ago? |
| 21:47.39 | Titan8990 | more than likely it is how your system's MTA is setup |
| 21:47.40 | developer | Titan8990: will reboot do it automaticly? |
| 21:47.49 | Titan8990 | developer: no |
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| 21:48.01 | developer | yes the mailing problem |
| 21:48.05 | Titan8990 | developer: it would be undesirable for alternatives to update themselves |
| 21:48.25 | Titan8990 | imagine your EDITOR changing everyime you installed a new text editor.... |
| 21:48.47 | themill | developer: we established the other day that was because you weren't implementing SMTP correctly. You weren't providing a valid HELO/EHLO line. |
| 21:48.56 | developer | ok if I remove openJDK and then installs sunJDK would I still need to make the updates on alternatives |
| 21:49.03 | Titan8990 | although, there are some that update alternatives automatically, but AFAIK, only desktop environments |
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| 21:49.28 | Titan8990 | developer: no.. but its a single command, whats the big deal? |
| 21:50.29 | developer | yes but Im using pentaho which generates commands upon java and the exact same file works correct in a windows enviroment so I guess its either my JDK or something else wrong configured in debian |
| 21:51.24 | developer | MTA whats that |
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| 21:51.34 | developer | !MTA |
| 21:51.34 | dpkg | well, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 21:51.42 | jham | is there some light syncml server out there? funambol is way too fat |
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| 21:52.22 | themill | developer: exactly how do you try to send the mail? Can you pastebin some code that illustrates what you're doing? |
| 21:52.28 | developer | ok something could be wrong in my MTA config |
| 21:52.56 | Titan8990 | developer: IIRC, by default, its configured to only send mail locally |
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| 21:53.42 | developer | themill: can't do that my work are based on a GUI design which generate java when executed |
| 21:54.00 | developer | Titan8990: how could I reconfigure it? |
| 21:54.25 | themill | developer: you what? |
| 21:54.40 | Titan8990 | developer: dpkg-recognfigure exim4-config would be a start. your must be *very* careful that you set the MTA up properly |
| 21:55.09 | themill | Titan8990: the MTA is complaining about a missing hostname in the HELO line. I doubt changing the MTA config is going to change that. |
| 21:55.12 | Titan8990 | developer: a misconfigured MTA will get a call from your ISP and likely some blacklisting of your domain name. be sure to check it with abuse.net when your done |
| 21:55.12 | developer | ok sound like hard to do |
| 21:55.30 | innociv | being careful to set it up right is annoying.. having trouble finding good guides |
| 21:55.44 | Titan8990 | themill: ah, ok.. I just figured it was still setup to only send locally |
| 21:56.29 | rgr | bug in installer. running update-grub2 again as root fixed it. |
| 21:56.30 | Titan8990 | innociv: yes, the configs can be very complex so "guides" and "howtos" usually do a poor job of covering it |
| 21:56.37 | themill | Titan8990: well.. getting useful information is non-trivial so anything's actually possible. We haven't even been able to establish if it's the local MTA or a remote one. And if it's a local one, wtf use smtp at all? just call /usr/bin/sendmail.... |
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| 21:56.55 | developer | the mail step in my program actually connects with my mail server but the mail server doesnt receive my hostname and that the problem |
| 21:57.23 | developer | it's a remote mail server |
| 21:57.41 | themill | developer: most likely that's because you've not set some option correctly in whatever this gui that generates java code thing is |
| 21:58.01 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm trying to use "@reboot" in my crontab, but it's not working. I know vixiecron supports @reboot, but I don't see it in the repos. Does anyone know of a cron in lenny that supports @reboot? |
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| 21:58.49 | developer | but Im using the same in windows and it's working there |
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| 21:59.20 | themill | PiousMinion: boring old "cron" in lenny supports @reboot just fine. |
| 21:59.36 | PiousMinion | themill: good enough for me. thanks :) |
| 21:59.39 | \amethyst | the package 'cron' *is* Vixie cron :) |
| 21:59.57 | themill | developer: since you don't even know what code is being written here by this tool it could be doing anything |
| 22:00.31 | PiousMinion | oh, well then. :P The results of 'apt-cache search vixie' don't show the word vixie. Thought that would be in the short description. |
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| 22:02.58 | Titan8990 | , info cron |
| 22:02.59 | judd | cron (admin, important): management of regular background processing. Version: 3.0pl1-105; Size: 80.0k; Installed: 540k |
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| 22:05.11 | Squawk | Hey guys, I'm trying to create a network calendar in iceowl, but the "next" button remains greyed out, I can't progress beyond giving the name of the google calendar that I wish to sync with. Best guess is that I'm missing some app to do with caldav, but no idea what. Any clues? |
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| 22:11.39 | developer | yes but the gui tool generates exact the same code when Im running it on windows and it works over there so I guess that it's either in my debian conf which I dobt or the OpenJDK which I hope it is |
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| 22:14.16 | Titan8990 | judd: versions iceowl |
| 22:14.18 | judd | iceowl -- etch-backports: 0.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8-6; sid: 0.8-6; squeeze: 0.8-6 |
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| 22:16.12 | bluehaze1 | question. is there a supported kernel that recognize the intel 82567LM-3 gigabit network connection |
| 22:16.30 | Titan8990 | bluehaze1: paste the pciid from lspci -nn |
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| 22:17.00 | themill | ,pciid 8086:10de |
| 22:17.02 | judd | [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
| 22:17.13 | bluehaze1 | 8086:10de |
| 22:17.29 | bluehaze1 | damn still the same |
| 22:17.35 | bluehaze1 | thanks for that info judd |
| 22:17.45 | Titan8990 | !kmuto |
| 22:17.46 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 22:18.13 | Titan8990 | bluehaze1: the backports kernel should do |
| 22:18.18 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 22:18.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:20.24 | innociv | I don't need pop3 when I'm just using the mailserver to send confirmation emails, do I? |
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| 22:23.03 | Titan8990 | innociv: no, pop3 is for clients to download mail. |
| 22:23.44 | cusco | innociv: which mail server are you using? |
| 22:23.50 | cusco | your own, or a ISP's one? |
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| 22:26.26 | innociv | I want to set one up to use with my httpd |
| 22:26.35 | innociv | So php can send out mail confirmations. |
| 22:27.39 | cusco | you can make php connect on your IS's smtp server |
| 22:27.48 | cusco | and save some headaches |
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| 22:30.20 | rgr | brilliant. fully working debian squeeze now running on thinkpad t60 with wireless and Windows original and restore partitions still active. video working well too. sound out of the box. nice. |
| 22:31.33 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: Don't really need an MTA at all. |
| 22:31.46 | innociv | eh? |
| 22:32.00 | innociv | I don't have mail with my ISP either. |
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| 22:32.43 | Squawk | guys, is there a way to force the fan on, the bios on this lappy seems to be knackered, cpu temp getting scary and I really need to force the fan on while I try to fix it |
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| 22:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | Squawk: Fan control is usually up to the BIOS, haven't seen it implemented from the OS level yet. |
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| 22:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | Squawk: On the other hand, replacement fans are surprisingly reasonable on ebay. |
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| 22:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | Squawk: In fact, some fans are simply controlled by a thermistor under the component. |
| 22:37.34 | isfranc | hello |
| 22:37.44 | icebrain | isfranc: hi |
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| 22:38.17 | innociv | can I have google mail use my domain and send mail out from it? |
| 22:38.43 | Squawk | jhutchins_lt, I think it's an iffy bios on this puter, if I shut the lid then re-open sometimes the fan kicks in at full tilt, it seems to be a known problem on this laptop (acer aspire 5315, just a cheap one) |
| 22:38.44 | zinx | yes |
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| 22:39.12 | jhutchins_lt | Squawk: Sometimes there are updates. |
| 22:39.13 | zinx | innociv: Google doesn't control who can send mail from your domain - but you can also use google mail to send mail "From: " your domain |
| 22:39.27 | Squawk | jhutchins_lt, once the bios "notices" the high temp it brings it all the way down. I'll see if I can find an update for the bios |
| 22:39.40 | icebrain | zinx: doesn't he need Google Apps to receive email to his domain? |
| 22:40.34 | innociv | I need it.. easily working from my php end though. I already have my mail scripts set up using a local mta iirc. Not sure exactly since it's been so long that I looked at it. :/ |
| 22:40.58 | icebrain | innociv: maybe http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html |
| 22:43.14 | zinx | icebrain: no |
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| 22:43.42 | icebrain | zinx: oh, ok. sorry then |
| 22:43.48 | zinx | icebrain: i get mail to my domain via google mail (not google apps for your domain, because it doesn't work well with other google products), but i do it by forwarding to gmail :D |
| 22:44.09 | zinx | icebrain: i also send it, via google mail, though i could certainly use my own smtp server for that |
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| 22:55.08 | dbuduru | I have two linux boxes, one of which isnt connected to a monitor and it doesnt have a keyboard either. I am trying to connect to that box using my other linux box and I was wondering if there is a way to remotely connect to the xserver |
| 22:56.24 | isfranc | dbuduru: xdmcp ? |
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| 23:00.42 | SuperMiguel | what app i can use if i have about 10 avi files and i need to burned them to a dvd and be able to watch them from my home dvd player? |
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| 23:02.15 | icebrain | SuperMiguel: try bombono |
| 23:02.16 | isfranc | SuperMiguel: k3b .? |
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| 23:21.54 | innociv | http://reflective.me/blog/matthew-clark/2009-oct-13/enabling-php-mail-debian-easily-and-quickly maybe I should go by this? |
| 23:22.54 | Titan8990 | i think similiar things were suggested hours ago |
| 23:23.26 | Titan8990 | that requires you have another server to relay to, such as your ISPs |
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| 23:27.50 | innociv | Titan8990, or google? I don't have one from my isp |
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| 23:48.18 | MidnighToker | evening people. |
| 23:48.32 | Titan8990 | innociv: if it is a VPS, your hosting provider may have one they allow you to relay through |
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| 23:49.40 | Mish- | Question: Why on this page does it say that "Debian/stable" is "not known to be vulnerable", yet lists the "Source Package" of the current version os vulnerable? |
| 23:49.41 | MidnighToker | i'm having a strange DNS issue. If i try and ping a host then it tells me unknown host, but if i dig it then i get a correct IP back. urm :S |
| 23:50.05 | Mish- | The Page: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2007-0448 |
| 23:50.06 | Titan8990 | Mish-: security patches get backported to older versions |
| 23:50.21 | Mish- | Titan8990: But why is the source package vulnerable. |
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| 23:51.47 | Titan8990 | Mish-: couldn't say... maybe different build options cause it to become vulnerable? |
| 23:53.09 | Mish- | Titan8990: So am I right in thinking that page says that Debian Stable is 'patched' as far as we know? |
| 23:53.11 | themill | MidnighToker: "dig" queries dns directly, ping uses the libc resolver |
| 23:53.55 | MidnighToker | themill: ah, ok. so.... |
| 23:54.13 | Titan8990 | Mish-: could always test it... I bet w3af has a plugin for it |
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| 23:56.02 | MidnighToker | themill: this is really strange. nearly everything resolves except for things on this domain. and its all being served from the same bind9 server :S |
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| 23:56.48 | Titan8990 | is it your bind server? |
| 23:57.00 | themill | MidnighToker: is it an invalid domain name? |
| 23:57.18 | MidnighToker | yeah. bind9 running on a server with two domains and also internet lookups. one domain runs fine, the other doesn't. |
| 23:57.27 | MidnighToker | bla1.bla.local -not that invalid :S |
| 23:57.55 | Titan8990 | MidnighToker: have you compared their zone files? |
| 23:58.06 | themill | .local is most likely being handled by avahi/mdns rather than by bind |
| 23:58.16 | MidnighToker | it fails to work on the debian/bind server, or an ubuntu laptop, but works fine from the other boxes on the lan (gentoo) |
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| 23:58.48 | MidnighToker | themill: oh. i see what you mean |
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| 23:59.12 | extor | What possible reasons can there be when the installer scans for an ISO on the hard drive but doesn't detect it? |
| 23:59.20 | MidnighToker | themill: where it it controlled? |
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| 23:59.38 | rgr_ | themill: how do I get the libc resolver to update? I can dig "hermes" (my mailserver) but ping and ssh dont see it - i brought down the network and restarted it after setting the global dns servers to my own dns. |
| 23:59.41 | MidnighToker | Titan8990: zone files seem fine, as i say, it works on everything that isn't deb based :S |
| 23:59.47 | themill | MidnighToker: the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |