| 00:00.27 | themill | rgr_: there's nothing you need to "update" to change the libc resolver. You sometimes need to restart apps that cache name lookups though |
| 00:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | MidnighToker: You're a little vague about the "works" part. |
| 00:00.53 | jhutchins_lt | We had a discussion earlier about recursive queries. |
| 00:01.00 | MidnighToker | jhutchins_lt: every other box can resolve the domains when using that dns server -i think TheMill has hit it on the head |
| 00:01.02 | MidnighToker | themill: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 00:01.25 | MidnighToker | themill: so its not using DNS for lookups? |
| 00:01.35 | themill | MidnighToker: that means that .local will be served by mdns (I think....) and so your bind server will never see the query. |
| 00:01.38 | MidnighToker | jhutchins_lt: i missed the earlier discussion |
| 00:01.59 | MidnighToker | themill: makes sense, don't think i have mdns set up on gentoo, so it will be forced to use dns. |
| 00:02.08 | themill | MidnighToker: indeed. |
| 00:02.23 | MidnighToker | themill: if i make changes to that file, do i need to restart any service for it to take effect? |
| 00:02.45 | themill | MidnighToker: there's nothing you need to "update" to change the libc resolver. You sometimes need to restart apps that cache name lookups though |
| 00:02.59 | MidnighToker | i take it bash/ping wont? |
| 00:03.04 | MidnighToker | (won't cache that is) |
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| 00:03.23 | themill | well... if ping were still running then it would |
| 00:03.37 | MidnighToker | =-P indeed |
| 00:04.18 | MidnighToker | ruddy works now :-D |
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| 00:04.31 | extor | self-solved: wrong architecture of the kernel and init |
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| 00:05.17 | MidnighToker | brill, thank you themill |
| 00:05.32 | themill | MidnighToker: excellent. |
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| 00:06.13 | MidnighToker | so the question i've just been asked is; what is this MDNS jobbie, and why is it hijacking DNS? -more to the point, if i disable it completely, is it going to break my network> |
| 00:06.43 | Titan8990 | safe to disable |
| 00:07.00 | themill | !zeroconf |
| 00:07.00 | dpkg | [zeroconf] Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf http://www.dns-sd.org/ |
| 00:07.21 | MidnighToker | gotya, will go googling |
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| 00:07.52 | themill | MidnighToker: it cuts a namespace out of dns (.local) that is reserved for auto-configuration of networked devices. Just unfortunate that you also wanted to use .local for your network ;) |
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| 00:08.33 | MidnighToker | ah, i thought i was being clever using a namespace that doesn't interfear with the internet.... my fault for re-using something i picked up from windaz i suppose :S |
| 00:08.42 | themill | MidnighToker: basically, you'd not need internal dns at all for all those machines if they all just ran mdns. They'd work out who was on the network themselves and what names they went by. |
| 00:09.17 | MidnighToker | themill: i'm playing with a vpn and one of the .local domains is hosted on another end at a winBLA server. |
| 00:09.38 | MidnighToker | would i be right in thinking that i should be using .internal rather than .local so i still stay off the net and yet don't interfear with this namespace? |
| 00:09.41 | themill | MidnighToker: On top of that, you can also do service discovery -- multicast discovery of printers, mp3 players, ... |
| 00:09.56 | themill | MidnighToker: perhaps. |
| 00:10.40 | MidnighToker | huh |
| 00:10.40 | MidnighToker | teach me to try and be clever :S |
| 00:12.14 | MidnighToker | thank you very much -have a good night guys :) |
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| 00:17.59 | [QUAD64] | if I change my IP and nameserver how do I get the changes to fully take effect? |
| 00:18.29 | [QUAD64] | running /etc/init.d/networkin restart doesn't seem to be doing it |
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| 00:26.13 | xuser | [QUAD64]: add 'auto eth0' |
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| 00:34.09 | [QUAD64] | well, everything works, my ip changes, but there's something not right still |
| 00:34.23 | [QUAD64] | because I changed my ip and nameserver, ran the restart, and I couldn't run apt-get update |
| 00:34.26 | [QUAD64] | it would just time out |
| 00:34.35 | [QUAD64] | I could ping, I could nslookup, but apt-get update just wouldn't work |
| 00:34.38 | [QUAD64] | I rebooted and then it worked |
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| 00:38.05 | mernilio | Gretings fellow friends! |
| 00:38.34 | mernilio | do debian have a somewhat offtopic channel? |
| 00:38.38 | Mish- | I need a regex (sed or awk) that will change the text between the fist and second colon on each line to "test", can anyone help with that? |
| 00:38.54 | mernilio | im not int the mood of talking about kernel develop.. ;-) |
| 00:39.18 | Titan8990 | mernilio: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:39.23 | amphi | !offtopic |
| 00:39.23 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 00:39.25 | mernilio | Titan8990: thanks! |
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| 00:43.14 | themill | Mish-: sed -r 's/([^:]*):[^:]*:(.*)/\1:test:\2/' |
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| 00:44.01 | Tramp | wouldn't just sed 's/:[^:]*:/:test:/' do? |
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| 00:44.50 | TomyLobo2 | Tramp anchor it, then yes |
| 00:44.59 | tensorpudding | hey, do you need a special netinst image for usb installs? |
| 00:45.01 | TomyLobo2 | s/^:[^:]*:/:test:/ |
| 00:45.10 | Tramp | why anchor? : is not first char on line |
| 00:45.27 | tensorpudding | because mine adamantly refuses to look for usb drives as sources of the installer, it only looks for the cdrom |
| 00:45.36 | TomyLobo2 | Tramp not? |
| 00:45.53 | Titan8990 | tensorpudding: did you use unetbootin? |
| 00:45.57 | tensorpudding | yeah |
| 00:46.03 | Tramp | TomyLobo2: he said: "...will change the text between the fist and second colon on each line..." |
| 00:46.07 | themill | Tramp: yeah, probably... I tend to over-specify regexs :) |
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| 00:46.18 | tensorpudding | only because the methods described in the debian install guide definitively failed to work |
| 00:46.28 | Titan8990 | tensorpudding: many have the same problem with it. we have a different way |
| 00:46.33 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 00:46.33 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 00:46.34 | TomyLobo2 | i dont know if sed will match twice per line |
| 00:46.45 | Titan8990 | tensorpudding: what problems did you have with it? |
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| 00:47.01 | TomyLobo2 | if it does, Tramp's regex doesn't work |
| 00:47.16 | tensorpudding | I tried both the "flexible" method and the "easy" methods described in the install manual |
| 00:47.21 | Tramp | TomyLobo2: no. That's what "g" is for |
| 00:47.34 | tensorpudding | the drive never loaded, it was stuck at MBR: |
| 00:47.51 | TomyLobo2 | Tramp which yours didnt have :) |
| 00:48.00 | Tramp | TomyLobo2: yes. Thus mine works |
| 00:48.11 | tensorpudding | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en is the document i refer to |
| 00:48.12 | TomyLobo2 | i dont really know how sed works :) |
| 00:48.24 | Tramp | I realized that |
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| 00:49.48 | tensorpudding | So I tried using unetbootin with the same amd64 netinst image, which worked, but ran into the CDROM problem. |
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| 00:52.11 | gnat_x | hey folks. i just switched away from nsplugin and to the flashplugin-nonfree on backports for my lenny system with a 64bit processor. i was hoping that it would make flash work a little better. it didn't. it now causes iceweasel to segfault on dailyshow.com and hulu to give me a message about the limitations of adobe flash on 64bit linux. anyway, do folks have a favored solution for this problem. |
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| 00:54.17 | xuser | install the 64bit version from adobe |
| 00:54.22 | tensorpudding | I had also tried the hard disk boot method before that, which loaded the kernel but did a reset in the middle of loading modules |
| 00:54.29 | xsappyx | gnat_x: make sure the nsplugin is uninstalled.. you can check about:plugins in FF |
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| 00:55.01 | adb | gnat_x, flash must die |
| 00:55.25 | tensorpudding | viva le <video> |
| 00:55.56 | gnat_x | adb: i'm with you there. |
| 00:56.37 | gnat_x | except i'm still mad that google/apple are standing in the way of ogg/vorbis being the supported as the base encoding. |
| 00:56.50 | gnat_x | though not shocked. |
| 00:57.01 | tensorpudding | chrome supports both |
| 00:57.03 | gnat_x | xsappyx: thanks, i'll look. |
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| 00:58.48 | gnat_x | xsappyx: doesn't appear that its still there. File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45 |
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| 01:00.51 | gnat_x | xuser: it looks like the apt package grabbed the right version from adobe: libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
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| 01:03.46 | gnat_x | i should be clear, flash works on some sites, like youtube. just not on others like dailyshow.com (which causes a segfault) and hulu which throws an error. |
| 01:05.14 | xsappyx | gnat_x: where do you see that segfault message? what error does hulu throw? |
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| 01:08.02 | gnat_x | xsappyx: i see the segfault message because i'm launching that iceweasel process from the terminal "iceweasel -P tester". hulu says: "We're sorry but we're unable to stream videos to your system. This may be due to an Adobe software limitation on 64-bit Linux systems." |
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| 01:09.13 | amphi | wonderful |
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| 01:10.27 | anubis | anyone good with devilspie? |
| 01:10.34 | xsappyx | gnat_x: well that just sounds ugly :\ |
| 01:10.36 | tensorpudding | hmm, wait a minute, when it says "copy the ISO image to the stick", did it mean the .iso file or the contents of the ISO? |
| 01:10.41 | gnat_x | even if i run iceweasel with the --verbose flag, all i get is "Segmentation fault" and an exit code of 139 |
| 01:11.42 | gnat_x | xsappyx: yup. its a good thing i'm rebuilding this machine in squeeze some time soon. this is actually good motivation to do it sooner rather than laters. |
| 01:11.54 | gnat_x | s/laters/later |
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| 01:13.38 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 01:14.58 | johnfg | This is a newbie question, not coming from a newb. How can I tell if arno-iptables-firewall is started? |
| 01:15.15 | johnfg | I looked at the output of ps -eaf and didn't see it, and it's not in the services gui. |
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| 01:15.40 | johnfg | I'm running lenny 5.04, all patches. |
| 01:16.33 | xsappyx | johnfg: not sure about the arnos script, but you can check iptables as root with: iptables --list there shouldnt be any rules, just a few header fields in the output |
| 01:17.41 | xsappyx | gnat_x: im not sure what else to try at this point.. maybe there is a way to install a revision back? r44 or r43 etc |
| 01:18.27 | anubis | is there a command i can type in terminal to change workspace? |
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| 01:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wmctrl -a someprogram |
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| 01:22.00 | gnat_x | hrm. so it appears i'm not alone in this trouble. hulu seems to be having issues with a bunch x86_64 |
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| 01:23.49 | tpocra | How can I scp everything in a directory that are files, but IGNORE subdirs? |
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| 01:24.29 | \amethyst | tpocra: scp somedir/* remote:/some/other/dir |
| 01:24.45 | \amethyst | tpocra: scp without -r will skip directories |
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| 01:32.16 | johnfg | hey guys. |
| 01:32.26 | johnfg | Now, my debconf is hung up. |
| 01:32.56 | johnfg | I get this message back: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 01:33.26 | johnfg | What do I need to do to unlock this? |
| 01:33.43 | adb | wait the other apt-get/aptitude install finish |
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| 01:34.06 | johnfg | adb, There's actually nothing doing, that I can see. |
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| 01:50.06 | Psi-Jack- | Hmmm, by chance is rtorrent 0.8.6 in any debian repos for lenny? |
| 01:50.18 | nutron | After reading the debian wiki about installing xen on lenny, I don't understand the reference that I need to run etch kernels in order to run amd64? is this a xen deficiency or a debian one? |
| 01:50.59 | Psi-Jack- | nutron: Neither. YOu can run lenny just fine. |
| 01:51.21 | Psi-Jack- | http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-xen-on-debian-lenny-amd64 |
| 01:51.27 | nutron | Yes, I can run lenny, but can lenny be 64 bit? |
| 01:51.33 | nutron | As a guest? |
| 01:51.37 | Psi-Jack- | Read. |
| 01:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions rtorrent |
| 01:52.21 | judd | rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
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| 01:53.01 | pipeline | nutron: if you have no particular reason to prefer xen, kvm w/ hardware virtualization looks like it's the probable future |
| 01:53.05 | Psi-Jack- | Hmmm |
| 01:53.26 | nutron | pipeline: i feel dirty about qemu still :( |
| 01:53.29 | Psi-Jack- | judd: How would I go about adding squeeze deb-src pinned so I have to specifically select it when attempting to build it? |
| 01:54.26 | Psi-Jack- | Blah, kvm is sucks. |
| 01:54.43 | Psi-Jack- | paravirtualization > full virtualization. |
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| 01:54.48 | adb | Psi-Jack-, pinned the deb-src ? is a non-sense |
| 01:55.09 | Psi-Jack- | adb: In case I want other things from lenny deb-src, absolutely. |
| 01:55.10 | pipeline | nutron: kvm and qemu are not necessarily connected |
| 01:55.23 | pipeline | nutron: the qemu userspace stuff is optional, and I don't know what its future looks like |
| 01:55.31 | pipeline | nutron: just, kvm seems to be where the vendor support for future development lies |
| 01:56.50 | nutron | pipeline: I cannot deny that kvm is nice, but xen with could support (in a later version etc) seems much more robust. Though I certainly don't speak from experience. |
| 01:57.00 | adb | Psi-Jack-, again, lenny deb-src is a non-sense |
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| 01:57.59 | Psi-Jack- | adb: And why is that? |
| 01:58.58 | pipeline | nutron: I wouldn't know firsthand. vmware is my bread and butter. Experiments with xen on customer sites were horrifying ~18 months ago D: |
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| 01:59.44 | nutron | Heh, I'm feeling the same way right now. I followed the xen documentation. Not network and excruciatingly slow. |
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| 01:59.58 | adb | Psi-Jack-, deb-src is deb-src , you try to compile the last sources for your release , so no lenny or something else |
| 02:00.11 | nutron | Then I followed the debian wiki, it started installing... but died horribly and it took a day to recognize a keystroke |
| 02:00.29 | nutron | so I'm not impressed, just feel like I have a lot of time tied up in it already and must see it through |
| 02:02.28 | Psi-Jack- | adb: You make 0 sense. |
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| 02:03.04 | adb | Psi-Jack-, good luck |
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| 02:03.43 | Psi-Jack- | And quite annoyingly uninformational. |
| 02:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nands adb and Psi-Jack- each a babel fish |
| 02:04.21 | phillipsjk | I just got here, so lack context, but I think he/she/it said use the latest sources and not the old ones for lenny. |
| 02:04.36 | Psi-Jack- | There's no need for translation. Just actual fact or something intelligable. |
| 02:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we are in need of translation for what you said |
| 02:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but my guesstimate is you meant |
| 02:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 02:06.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 02:06.16 | Psi-Jack- | Nope. |
| 02:06.27 | Psi-Jack- | rtorrent 0.8.6 is not backported. |
| 02:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | read more than the 1st sentence? |
| 02:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
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| 02:08.06 | tensorpudding | ugh, trying to get debian installed has been a comedy of errors |
| 02:08.58 | yebyen | tensorpudding: fun |
| 02:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least not a tragedy |
| 02:09.00 | tensorpudding | what might cause the wireless configuration in the netinst to fail? |
| 02:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3 acts? |
| 02:09.26 | adb | antique ? |
| 02:09.44 | adb | !wireless |
| 02:09.44 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 02:10.24 | tensorpudding | I have debian installed right now, I know most things about wireless adapter. |
| 02:10.36 | tensorpudding | What I do *not* know is how debian-installer handles configuring it. |
| 02:11.05 | adb | !tell tensorpudding -about installer firmware |
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| 02:11.59 | tensorpudding | How can I tell if ath5k is being loaded by debian-installer? |
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| 02:12.28 | adb | !tell tensorpudding -about ath5k |
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| 02:12.49 | adb | !tell tensorpudding -about selftell |
| 02:13.43 | yebyen | what is that? |
| 02:13.54 | yebyen | !tell yebyen -about ath5k |
| 02:14.02 | yebyen | !tell yebyen -about selftell |
| 02:14.06 | tensorpudding | adb: Thank you for sending me a bunch of links that don't address my question. |
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| 02:14.48 | yebyen | srsly |
| 02:14.53 | yebyen | tensorpudding: lsmod |
| 02:15.00 | yebyen | pull up a terminal and execute /sbin/lsmod |
| 02:15.02 | rudi_s | tensorpudding: Your IRC should have a new window with the messages from dpkg regarding your problem. |
| 02:15.13 | rgr_ | I'm having difficulty moving a private key from one machine to another. I exported it, copied it over then imported it but its not showing up in "my personal keys" tab in seahorse on the new machine. squeeze, gpg. Ideas? |
| 02:15.20 | yebyen | |grep ath5k |
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| 02:15.24 | yebyen | will tell you if it's loaded |
| 02:15.28 | tensorpudding | rudi_s: I'm looking at it, I'd already had the ath5k wiki page open, which says that the driver is in the kernel since 25. |
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| 02:15.36 | tensorpudding | Is lsmod available in the debian installer? |
| 02:15.53 | yebyen | and I don't know what those links say, but i know I had to get the madwifi drivers and use ath_pci when debian thought i needed ath5k |
| 02:16.09 | tensorpudding | Is that so? |
| 02:16.25 | yebyen | madwifi-source or somesuch |
| 02:16.34 | yebyen | was available in lenny and not sid last time i checked |
| 02:16.39 | tensorpudding | I'm running debian currently, and it says it's using the ath5k module |
| 02:16.51 | yebyen | and your network is workin fine |
| 02:16.52 | tensorpudding | I should have explained better, I have debian installed already and I'm reinstalling it. |
| 02:16.56 | yebyen | then you don't have my issue |
| 02:16.59 | yebyen | lol |
| 02:17.11 | yebyen | so, you're sayin it doesn't have lsmod |
| 02:17.21 | tensorpudding | My question is limited to what the debian installer is doing when it configures a network interface. |
| 02:17.23 | mernilio | and what the hells is a atk5h module? |
| 02:17.27 | yebyen | you may have to get it by name |
| 02:17.37 | yebyen | mernilio: wifi |
| 02:17.44 | yebyen | *by path |
| 02:17.46 | mernilio | okay |
| 02:17.51 | yebyen | your path might not be set to include lsmod |
| 02:18.04 | tensorpudding | It seems to find the device, but I enter my WEP key and the DHCP fails. |
| 02:18.13 | mzb | $ dpkg -S $(which lsmod) |
| 02:18.13 | mzb | module-init-tools: /sbin/lsmod |
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| 02:18.33 | tensorpudding | Okay, how do I open a shell in the install cd then? |
| 02:18.40 | yebyen | you have virtual consoles |
| 02:18.48 | mzb | ctrl+alt+Fn |
| 02:18.49 | yebyen | alt+f2 should pull up a window you can hit enter at to get a shell |
| 02:19.01 | tensorpudding | Okay, so assuming that ath5k is loaded, what then? |
| 02:19.11 | yebyen | i'm psyched i can run hurd on a real computer these days |
| 02:19.12 | yebyen | lol |
| 02:19.19 | mzb | # iwconfig |
| 02:19.19 | rgr_ | what combination of agents should be running on gnome in debian testing for gpg key handling? The sys/prefs/encryption and keyrings program say no suitable agent is running. Is that the right program or should it be seahorse now? |
| 02:19.22 | liable | there is no iwconfig in the installer |
| 02:19.26 | tensorpudding | I am fairly positive that it knows how to interface with the wifi, considering that it finds the device as wlan0. |
| 02:19.49 | tensorpudding | liable: that could be the reason why it's failing...what do they use for wireless setup? |
| 02:19.50 | yebyen | you can't be sure until you run iwconfig |
| 02:19.59 | yebyen | and see that wlan0 really gets wireless extensions |
| 02:20.15 | liable | tensorpudding: it has its own little c program that sets it |
| 02:20.20 | yebyen | i've seen that before, it looks like a wireless card, but there's no scanning feature |
| 02:20.35 | tensorpudding | ah. |
| 02:20.40 | liable | tensorpudding: try setting a manual ip in the installer. |
| 02:20.41 | pingouin | does an update of iceweasel scheduled ? - after the update of firefox for security reasons |
| 02:20.49 | tensorpudding | even so, it claims to support WEP |
| 02:20.55 | liable | it does |
| 02:20.55 | yebyen | tensorpudding: so, dhcp is not happening? |
| 02:20.59 | mzb | # iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 02:21.08 | liable | there is no iwlist in the installer |
| 02:21.12 | tensorpudding | It asks for the ESSID and WEP key, and tries and then fails to connect. |
| 02:21.25 | mzb | :) ... then _install_ ??? |
| 02:21.25 | yebyen | tensorpudding: you might test the kernel that the installer is using |
| 02:21.34 | yebyen | if you can narrow that down |
| 02:21.44 | tensorpudding | I am pretty sure the kernel that the installer is using is the same as the one that is here now. |
| 02:21.49 | tensorpudding | since they're both 5.04 |
| 02:22.03 | liable | um |
| 02:22.09 | yebyen | so, why doesn't your wireless work? |
| 02:22.25 | tensorpudding | Let me explain again. |
| 02:22.32 | tensorpudding | I have a working debian install, and i'm reinstalling over it. |
| 02:22.43 | tensorpudding | The wireless is working fine in the current install. |
| 02:22.59 | mzb | installing with or without format? |
| 02:22.59 | yebyen | i'm with you, |
| 02:23.07 | tensorpudding | I plan to format over it. |
| 02:23.22 | tensorpudding | I was too lazy to reinstall when I updated to new hardware. |
| 02:23.32 | yebyen | so, if you modprobe -r ath5k |
| 02:23.35 | yebyen | your wireless goes out |
| 02:23.36 | yebyen | right? |
| 02:23.53 | mzb | might pay to make a tarball of /etc so you can refer to "magic" settings if necessary |
| 02:23.53 | tensorpudding | I would assume so. |
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| 02:26.21 | solussd_ | I'm trying to upgrade to emacs22 on debian etch, I've added the sources, but I get this when I run 'apt-get update': what does this error even mean?:: Couldn't stat source package list http://hype.sourceforge.jp etch/backports Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/hype.sourceforge.jp_f_dists_etch_backports_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 02:30.34 | mzb | solussd_: in the front page it says: "The following architectures are supported |
| 02:30.34 | mzb | i386 " |
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| 02:31.24 | pingouin | how can open an tar.xz ?! |
| 02:31.41 | pingouin | it's a new tar format ?! |
| 02:31.53 | mzb | try renaming to .gz and see what happens |
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| 02:32.22 | solussd_ | ah, yeah. i didn't actually visit the site. :) thanks |
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| 02:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingouin, or let 'file *.xz' tell you |
| 02:34.29 | pingouin | CutMeOwnThroat: data file |
| 02:34.43 | pingouin | it's come from Gnu |
| 02:34.46 | pingouin | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/3.6.2/ |
| 02:35.22 | mzb | ah: http://filext.com/file-extension/XZ |
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| 02:36.04 | mzb | xz-utils |
| 02:36.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, xz |
| 02:36.49 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:37.05 | pingouin | lenny here....no xz |
| 02:37.11 | pingouin | lenny here....no xz-utils |
| 02:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr dpkg and I never heard of it either |
| 02:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions icecat |
| 02:37.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'icecat' was found. |
| 02:37.53 | pingouin | lzma -d file.tar.xz fail too |
| 02:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell pingouin -about ssb |
| 02:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so who the hell uses xz |
| 02:39.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know.. the weirdows who thought bz2 was a good idea before |
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| 02:40.30 | pingouin | no backports too |
| 02:40.35 | pingouin | fun situation |
| 02:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why you got this factoid and not the backports one :) |
| 02:42.27 | mzb | looks like you have to grab the source and compile it yourself: http://tukaani.org/xz/ |
| 02:42.45 | pingouin | if possible |
| 02:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? not from there! |
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| 02:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | There's a perfectly fine source package in testing/unstable |
| 02:43.23 | pingouin | not from where ? |
| 02:43.33 | pingouin | i'm in stable |
| 02:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingouin, read what dpkg told you |
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| 02:51.35 | pingouin | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, sorry for the question, but no risk to break my stable ? |
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| 02:57.59 | thezombieguy | Hi |
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| 03:02.06 | innociv | alright so.. how can I do http://reflective.me/blog/matthew-clark/2009-oct-13/enabling-php-mail-debian-easily-and-quickly with having an MTA outside of my server handling the mail and using my domain name? Are there any free things out there? ;\ My ISP doesn't give me any email |
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| 03:08.24 | tpocra | I have two X11 screens that I manage with xrandr, but I want to swap what is showing on which screen. How can I do this? |
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| 03:11.58 | \amethyst | tpocra: if your screens are e.g. DVI-0 on the left and DVI-1 on the right and you want to switch that, you can do xrandr --output DVI-1 --left-of DVI-0 |
| 03:11.59 | simonrvn | tpocra: execute them in a different order? |
| 03:12.10 | simonrvn | yeh listen to \amethyst |
| 03:12.29 | tpocra | I think my problem is that I am using synergy |
| 03:12.39 | tpocra | It messed up my dual-monitor setup I think? |
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| 03:13.20 | \amethyst | never used it, but that's possible |
| 03:13.54 | kdasdasf | hi can somebody point me to a tutorial on how to create a user+group in a debian postinst file? |
| 03:14.53 | simonrvn | same way as in cli, with adduser |
| 03:15.42 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, but how can i find out if the user already exists? and what should i do if the user already exists? |
| 03:16.23 | kdasdasf | for example what does apache do if user www-data already exists? i looked into the apache2 and apache2-common packages but there postinst files don't do this |
| 03:16.33 | kdasdasf | there was nothing with adduser |
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| 03:17.06 | simonrvn | the exit status |
| 03:17.28 | simonrvn | because www-data is in base-files. it's one of the defaults |
| 03:17.43 | kdasdasf | ah ok |
| 03:17.56 | \amethyst | kdasdasf: www-data isn't created by apache |
| 03:18.01 | \amethyst | kdasdasf: it's in base-passwd |
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| 03:18.38 | kdasdasf | hm does somebody know a package which creates it's own user? |
| 03:18.45 | \amethyst | kdasdasf: exim4-base is an example of a package that creates a user (Debian-exim) |
| 03:18.49 | kdasdasf | thx |
| 03:19.02 | \amethyst | it just calls adduser |
| 03:19.22 | \amethyst | since the script has set -e, if adduser (or any command) fails, the script errors out |
| 03:19.23 | Arrowmaster | gitosis does and its even asks you the name of the user you want it to use |
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| 03:19.50 | \amethyst | but it only tries creating the user if it doesn't already exist: |
| 03:19.53 | simonrvn | oh yeh, base-passwd |
| 03:19.54 | \amethyst | if ! getent passwd Debian-exim > /dev/null ; then |
| 03:20.58 | kdasdasf | http://pastebin.com/QkBm6iuB |
| 03:21.07 | kdasdasf | yes exactly as you told \amethyst |
| 03:21.11 | simonrvn | grep www-data /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master |
| 03:21.12 | simonrvn | www-data:*:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
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| 03:24.49 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: many if not all the packages that contain daemons create their own user (and often group) |
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| 03:25.27 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, i searched like apache and lighttpd but both seem to use www-data |
| 03:25.34 | simonrvn | they do yes |
| 03:25.36 | kdasdasf | but now i know where this user comes from :-D |
| 03:25.45 | simonrvn | i just showed it ^^^ |
| 03:25.45 | innociv | alright so.. how can I do http://reflective.me/blog/matthew-clark/2009-oct-13/enabling-php-mail-debian-easily-and-quickly with having an MTA outside of my server handling the mail and using my domain name? Are there any free things out there? ;\ My ISP doesn't give me any email. |
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| 03:26.18 | innociv | im trying to figure the easiest way to set up so I can use php's mail() for confirmation emails. ;\ |
| 03:26.32 | simonrvn | that passwd.master file is the, master, from where the installer installs a new passwd file. |
| 03:27.01 | anubis | Could someone help me with a chvt problem ? |
| 03:27.52 | simonrvn | innociv: set up your domain's mta, use that, make some accounts. |
| 03:28.05 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 03:28.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:28.20 | innociv | People keep warning me about setting up my own mta and blah blah :\ |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | you can use your ISP as a smarthost usually |
| 03:28.49 | Arrowmaster | do you already have a mail server for your domain name? |
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| 03:29.07 | simonrvn | as long as you're not setting it up as an open relay, don't send spam, and your isp allows services you're golden |
| 03:29.28 | simonrvn | and yeh, it's usually best to use your isp's smarthost |
| 03:29.43 | Rapsodius | Need a good mp3 tag editor, something like mp3tag |
| 03:29.48 | simonrvn | (esp. if you're clueless about this stuff - it can get complicated) |
| 03:29.57 | simonrvn | Rapsodius: i use easytag |
| 03:30.32 | Rapsodius | simonrvn, I'll give it a try |
| 03:30.46 | simonrvn | it's a gtk app, but does the job |
| 03:31.24 | Rapsodius | gtk? installing it asap |
| 03:32.54 | simonrvn | um, ask'n'leave? |
| 03:33.08 | simonrvn | was waiting for him to state the problem |
| 03:33.26 | Rapsodius | mainly want to use it to reencode tags into latin-1 so my standalone mp3 player can read them |
| 03:33.36 | simonrvn | it can do that |
| 03:34.02 | Rapsodius | fine then aptitude its doing its job |
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| 03:34.40 | innociv | I don't have isp email I said.. |
| 03:34.47 | innociv | Arrowmaster, no. |
| 03:34.54 | simonrvn | it's actually a pretty nice little app. the ui is kinda lame (the file browser on the left is a bit sucky), but otherwise cool. |
| 03:34.55 | innociv | I have my own debian server where I've set up an httpd. |
| 03:35.52 | simonrvn | sounds like you're gonna have to dive into that.... one of the RBL sites has an open relay test bot. |
| 03:36.08 | simonrvn | nsrbl or nsarbl or something like that |
| 03:36.18 | simonrvn | nsbl perhaps |
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| 03:41.02 | innociv | er? :\ |
| 03:44.03 | kdasdasf | i want to checkout only the directory trunk from a remote mecurial directory, how is this possible? |
| 03:44.15 | kdasdasf | if i do hg clone https://url/trunk i still clones https://url |
| 03:47.03 | simonrvn | you can do hg clone http://foo/bar/trunk foo-trunk |
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| 03:49.23 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, no if i do that it will still checkout http://foo in the directory foo-trunk |
| 03:49.33 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 03:49.59 | Rapsodius | simonrvn, thanks for the advice, easytag is really all what i needed, no less |
| 03:50.00 | simonrvn | not last time i did that which was oh 1, 2 months ago |
| 03:50.14 | simonrvn | Rapsodius: cool |
| 03:50.33 | kdasdasf | if i do hg clone https://etherpad.googlecode.com/hg/trunk xxx it will checkout the hole simonrvn, https://etherpad.googlecode.com/hg/ repository under xxx |
| 03:50.35 | kdasdasf | damn |
| 03:50.47 | kdasdasf | simonrvm should be at start of the line |
| 03:50.50 | kdasdasf | not in the middle |
| 03:51.19 | simonrvn | ok, hold on. lemme try this |
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| 03:51.50 | hdhdj | /server irc.abjects.net |
| 03:51.52 | hdhdj | Oops |
| 03:52.02 | hdhdj | Guess that doesn't work |
| 03:52.11 | simonrvn | ,versions mercurial |
| 03:52.12 | judd | mercurial -- etch: 0.9.1-1+etch1; etch-backports: 1.0.1-5.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-5.1; lenny-backports: 1.3.1-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.4.1-1+b1; sid: 1.5-1 |
| 03:52.33 | simonrvn | hdhdj: should usually |
| 03:52.46 | hdhdj | In that case, anyone know how to get iwconfig to scan for networks? |
| 03:53.08 | simonrvn | iirc people suggest iwconfig scan foo |
| 03:53.22 | hdhdj | Simon I'm using some ghetto irc phone app.. Think I'm locked to this network |
| 03:53.22 | yebyen | you can scan with iwconfig? |
| 03:53.35 | xuser | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 03:53.38 | yebyen | i think you mean iwlist |
| 03:53.39 | yebyen | yea |
| 03:53.41 | hdhdj | Scan flag isn't working |
| 03:53.44 | simonrvn | ah yeh |
| 03:53.58 | hdhdj | Nice I'll try that heh |
| 03:54.32 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: well, i just did 'hg clone http://is.gd/aZDiX etherpad-trunk' and ls shows me 'etherpad-trunk/' |
| 03:54.54 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: woops, damn script auto-shortened it |
| 03:54.54 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, and what does cd ehterpad-trunk; ls show you |
| 03:55.02 | kdasdasf | *etherpad |
| 03:55.13 | yebyen | etherpad is open source? |
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| 03:55.19 | yebyen | that's wicked cool |
| 03:55.20 | simonrvn | the .hg dir |
| 03:55.21 | kdasdasf | yebyen yes ^^ |
| 03:55.39 | simonrvn | it's still processing |
| 03:55.48 | kdasdasf | ah ok |
| 03:56.01 | kdasdasf | yebyen, i'm currently creating the debian package for it |
| 03:56.06 | simonrvn | has a slow machine |
| 03:56.27 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, i think the google repository is just slow |
| 03:56.36 | kdasdasf | i have to wait like years for it |
| 03:56.38 | simonrvn | almost done |
| 03:56.47 | kdasdasf | yebyen, http://github.com/redhog/pad is the current master |
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| 03:57.13 | simonrvn | meh. now giving me branches/ and trunk/ |
| 03:57.19 | kdasdasf | :-( |
| 03:57.27 | hdhdj | Iwlist = no scan results |
| 03:57.28 | kdasdasf | that's my experience, tool |
| 03:57.36 | kdasdasf | hm ok i have to work around it |
| 03:57.52 | kdasdasf | which fcking idiot created trunk and branches under a hg repository :-D |
| 03:57.59 | hdhdj | Lol nice name dude |
| 03:58.02 | kdasdasf | svn habitate |
| 03:59.07 | simonrvn | habit i guess, or they had it in svn before |
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| 04:00.10 | simonrvn | updating to branch default |
| 04:00.10 | simonrvn | 1093 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved |
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| 04:00.15 | hdhdj | What are you working on? |
| 04:00.40 | simonrvn | testing the results of an hg clone command |
| 04:00.59 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: ok, so yours is giving you the http://url/ stuff too? |
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| 04:01.12 | simonrvn | how weird, i've never seen it do that |
| 04:01.14 | xuser | how do you get in what upstream version is the debian kernel based on? for example in lenny, 2.6.26 is bases in upstream 2.6.26.? |
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| 04:02.38 | yebyen | xuser: at that level it's not always meaningful to think of minor patch levels |
| 04:02.49 | yebyen | xuser: the kernel maintainer is probably pickin and choosing patches |
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| 04:03.25 | yebyen | it might be halfway between two, and it might not be either... but, for your example, i would bet it's based on 2.6.26 |
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| 04:04.01 | yebyen | uname -a ought to tell the truth |
| 04:04.16 | kdasdasf | kdasdasf: ok, so yours is giving you the http://url/ stuff too? <-- yes |
| 04:04.50 | xuser | yebyen: ;-) |
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| 04:11.26 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: what i showed you is what i'm getting. just the .hg branches/ and trunk/ dirs |
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| 04:12.07 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, that's what i get, too. but i'm just interested in the contents of /trunk |
| 04:12.20 | kdasdasf | i would copy it down to / but then hg pull stops working |
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| 04:12.45 | simonrvn | oh i see what you mean. i think it might be the repo layout ... |
| 04:13.02 | simonrvn | (as retarded as it is) |
| 04:14.02 | kdasdasf | hm yea |
| 04:14.14 | kdasdasf | seems like it is |
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| 04:17.38 | yebyen | anyone using the new debian xen-linux-system kernel? |
| 04:17.39 | yebyen | linux-image-2.6.32.4-xen-686 |
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| 04:28.39 | Storlek | Trying to install mongodb, and it's giving me this ominous message that it's removing sysvinit: http://sprunge.us/SISE |
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| 04:33.03 | Storlek | 837 users, and no one around? |
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| 04:34.37 | xuser | you are using testing, I guess you hit the phase where upstart is replacing sysvinit |
| 04:35.38 | Storlek | so do I just say yes? |
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| 04:36.14 | Storlek | apt-get update or upgrade or whichever didn't replace anything though, it only asked me when I tried to install something |
| 04:36.21 | Storlek | or is that just the way apt works, I dunno |
| 04:36.47 | mernilio | i dont get any connetion with people in debian-offtopic :-/ |
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| 04:37.15 | mernilio | i thougt aids and ebola would get my attention.. but no |
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| 04:38.27 | xuser | Storlek: upgrade your packages first |
| 04:38.47 | Storlek | how do I do that? |
| 04:39.02 | Storlek | wasn't apt-get upgrade supposed to do it? |
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| 04:39.07 | Storlek | or update. or whatever one did stuff. :P |
| 04:39.09 | mernilio | This is my point.. black girls.. are they hotter than white counterparts? And i dont mean it in a racial way. Im just thinking of weather i should date a very nice brown lady! :-) |
| 04:39.44 | Storlek | (I'm not a total noob, I just can't keep those two straight, to me the words mean the same thing) |
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| 04:40.43 | mernilio | Storlek: your nick, is it norwegian? I think i have heard it before! |
| 04:41.01 | Storlek | mernilio: it's a Swedish word. and no I don't speak Swedish :) |
| 04:41.11 | yebyen | upstart? |
| 04:41.22 | mernilio | of cours you do ;-) |
| 04:42.09 | yebyen | will hopefully greet you again in a minute from dom0 |
| 04:42.47 | Storlek | (what is upstart?) |
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| 04:43.09 | xuser | you did apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:43.24 | Storlek | upgrade and update, a few times |
| 04:43.31 | Storlek | By the way, what one do I really want? |
| 04:43.48 | xuser | both |
| 04:43.49 | Storlek | nothing's telling me that I'm doing something harmful until I ask to install mongodb |
| 04:43.55 | Storlek | in what order? or does it matter? |
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| 04:44.10 | xuser | man apt-get |
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| 04:44.26 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 04:44.30 | echosystm | is anyone here familiar with QT? |
| 04:44.36 | echosystm | i installed qt-sdk |
| 04:44.55 | xuser | Storlek: mongodb depends on upstart |
| 04:44.57 | echosystm | but i dont know where/how to import the QtGui package |
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| 04:45.06 | echosystm | #import <QtGui> isnt found |
| 04:45.10 | Storlek | xuser: what's that mean to me? |
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| 04:45.20 | Storlek | Besides "I have to install upstart", of course |
| 04:45.35 | Storlek | what's upstart and why is it "potentially harmful" is the thing I'm trying to get at |
| 04:45.36 | xuser | Storlek: it means you are noob and shouldn't be running testing |
| 04:45.42 | Storlek | Thanks. |
| 04:46.07 | xuser | Storlek: do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 04:46.14 | xuser | then install mongodb |
| 04:46.26 | xuser | and say yes ;-) |
| 04:46.58 | Storlek | feh, apt has too many ... things. |
| 04:48.24 | xuser | use aptitude instead of apt-get anyway |
| 04:48.41 | Storlek | people've told me that but I could never get a real answer on what the difference was |
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| 04:50.23 | xuser | !aptitude |
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| 04:50.23 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 04:50.25 | peterrooney | Storlek: better resolution of package conflicts, offers alternate solutions instead of "can't do that" |
| 04:50.39 | xuser | !why aptitude |
| 04:50.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 04:50.58 | Storlek | Ah! Real reasons. Excellent. |
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| 04:52.10 | innociv | ugh |
| 04:52.14 | innociv | i dont understand the postfix config. |
| 04:52.47 | innociv | should i choose internet site or internet site with smart host? OR another?.. I have a debian server i have an httpd and php set up on. I need to use the php mail() function to send confirmation emails |
| 04:52.54 | innociv | so i'm trying to set up an MTA on this box |
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| 05:02.38 | Dominicus | Alright. I have a Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI nic, but Debian keeps trying to auto load the r8169 module for it (which is functionally defective for this card). I instead have an r8168 that I compiled from Realtek's source code. How do I get the r8169 to stop auto loading, and possibly have the r8168 autoload instead? |
| 05:03.44 | Storlek | bah |
| 05:03.48 | Storlek | dist-upgrade failed |
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| 05:17.47 | spersaud | will 6.0 have freebsd kernel ? |
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| 05:17.56 | spersaud | is freebsd kernel actually better ? |
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| 05:21.48 | markatto | arch |
| 05:22.16 | Sier | ? |
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| 05:22.30 | markatto | wrong channel |
| 05:23.06 | Storlek | arch! |
| 05:23.26 | Juggernaut | hehe |
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| 06:15.28 | extor | How can I run the apt setup wizard that I got during install again? I want to collect all the repositories I possibly can, especially official ones. For lenny |
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| 06:17.58 | Dominicus | over the net, but none of them that I've tried have worked. |
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| 06:24.11 | Larre | At the end of a 'Makefile', I'm trying to add a simple script which goes about this: if lsmod |grep module ; then rmmod module ; else do nothing -- but I can't seem to do it and the script returns error |
| 06:25.10 | Supertanker | Do I need an MTA such as postfix to send mail to local accounts? (logwatch sending to root@localhost, for example) |
| 06:25.54 | Supertanker | If not, I'd like to remove it to free up a bit of RAM. (Silly Ruby apps) |
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| 07:22.24 | valdyn | Supertanker: you need it |
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| 07:25.06 | Supertanker | valdyn, thanks, I just found that out the harder way. :P |
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| 07:26.30 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 07:26.30 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
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| 07:34.10 | Equ4L | http://purekaoz.com - Lots of downloads, graphics, programming topics. Sign up and post! |
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| 07:37.43 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 08:07.58 | mo | How would I go about to remove/disable gnome keyring? |
| 08:08.20 | mo | Its annoying that I have to enter the password every time gdm is restarted and I use vnc to connect to this machine |
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| 08:09.56 | mxmx | i am awake |
| 08:09.59 | mxmx | but dont know how |
| 08:10.06 | mo | =) |
| 08:10.57 | mo | Its kind of annoying, the machine is hidden underneath the roof.. I have to get a ladder and climb up and connect a keyboard every time |
| 08:11.11 | mxmx | ? mcrypt |
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| 08:24.22 | iceroot | mxmx: apt-get install mcrypt? (or aptitude...) |
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| 08:25.51 | kaziem | I have a dual monitor setup.. when I configure it so the external screen is on top of the other one, when I maximize windows on the lower one they are partially blocked by the gnome-panel |
| 08:25.53 | kaziem | any idea guys? |
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| 08:58.43 | mo | jelly: The machine is connected to 2 tv-screens showing graphs and such |
| 08:58.56 | mo | jelly: I need to remotly logon to the X session and change stuff and so on.. |
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| 08:59.55 | dboehmer | hello |
| 09:00.26 | dboehmer | i am writing a bash script which compares a hash of the boot partition to a stored hash (useful for full disk encryption) |
| 09:00.42 | dboehmer | now i want to provide the alert option "halt system" |
| 09:01.05 | dboehmer | i would like to stop boot process in order to stop malicious software from /boot |
| 09:01.30 | dboehmer | but my printed warnings should stay on the screen |
| 09:01.41 | dboehmer | what about a kernel panic? how to trigger one? |
| 09:01.47 | dboehmer | any other ideas? |
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| 09:03.09 | ethanol | good mornin' |
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| 09:10.53 | Arrowmaster | dboehmer: how would anything that worked its way into /boot even get run? |
| 09:11.39 | Arrowmaster | unless you mean something actually went and changed the kernel or initramfs |
| 09:12.01 | dboehmer | Arrowmaster, exactly this is the case i want to cover |
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| 09:12.45 | dboehmer | i am fully aware that somebody who modifies /boot could possibly prevent my check program from running but this is pretty difficult |
| 09:12.47 | Nurbs | How about just halting the system? |
| 09:13.04 | dboehmer | Nurbs, do you mean shutdown? |
| 09:13.10 | Internat | isnt that going to be a bit of a catch22 though? |
| 09:13.16 | Internat | to store the hash your going to need it in /boot |
| 09:13.18 | Nurbs | dboehmer: yes |
| 09:13.39 | dboehmer | Internat, of course the hash is stored inside the encrypted disk |
| 09:13.44 | Internat | ah |
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| 09:14.05 | dboehmer | Nurbs, i don't want the pc to go off instantly. the user should be able to read the warning |
| 09:14.17 | Internat | but then the disk is already decrypted or the key entered, so anything would have access to the drive.. |
| 09:14.44 | dboehmer | Internat, that means the encryption key is entered before we can check /boot but hopefully no network connection is made up yet |
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| 09:15.11 | dboehmer | data destruction is no problem as we have a full backup -- of course;-) |
| 09:15.44 | dboehmer | dangerous is just some program sending the key to $somewhere |
| 09:15.50 | Nurbs | dboehmer: Well, actually halt -f |
| 09:16.27 | dboehmer | Nurbs, that looks promising |
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| 09:16.48 | WormFood | is there a debian security mailing list, to let us know of security related updates? |
| 09:16.51 | dboehmer | can you explain "Force halt or reboot"? by which condition is any of this forced? |
| 09:17.21 | sanderj | Do anyone know where global proxy settings is?.. when I do: lynx localhost I get access denied, and hostname says it's from another internal proxy server. |
| 09:17.46 | dboehmer | WormFood, i guess there is one. but generally i can recommend running a cronjob which updates regularly and sends mail if upgrades are available |
| 09:18.04 | sanderj | I just can't understand why I get routed trough an proxy server :-\ |
| 09:18.20 | dboehmer | sanderj, it's story in environment vars. AFAIR $HTTP_PROXY |
| 09:18.32 | dboehmer | just try echo $HTTP_PROXY |
| 09:18.43 | Nurbs | dboehmer: I'm actually not sure. It might only depend on whether it's called as reboot or halt. |
| 09:18.50 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestion dboehmer |
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| 09:19.15 | sanderj | dboehmer, echo $HTTP_PROXY gives me nothing.. also: cat /etc/environment don't give me any such settings. |
| 09:19.27 | Nurbs | it'd be http_proxy |
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| 09:19.50 | sanderj | Ah!, there it is. |
| 09:19.57 | sanderj | Nurbs, thanks :-) |
| 09:20.11 | sanderj | Nurbs, do you know where that is configured? |
| 09:20.29 | dboehmer | Nurbs, i will try that in a virtual machine |
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| 09:21.43 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
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| 09:22.15 | Nurbs | sanderj: Not in general. It could be in your profile, /etc/environment or somewhere else. Don't know where Debian places it if it configures one... grep -r http_proxy /etc 2> /dev/null might help... |
| 09:22.17 | WormFood | great Arrowmaster, thanks a lot 谢谢你|
| 09:23.35 | sanderj | Nurbs, thanks alot :-) |
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| 09:25.08 | Nurbs | sanderj: Adding "export no_proxy=localhost" might help, too and the proxy should still be used for other hosts. |
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| 09:25.24 | Nurbs | It always depends on whether the applications honor the environment variables of course. |
| 09:25.45 | sanderj | Nurbs, it was wrongly setup, so I just removed it. |
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| 09:43.46 | extor | Is this really the hd-media kernel? It's not prompting me for an iso |
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| 09:50.38 | andy5635353 | can anyone tell me in which directory i will find all the internet programes like epiphany, evolution and iceweasel |
| 09:50.57 | rgr_ | "which evolution" |
| 09:51.00 | rgr_ | in a shell |
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| 09:51.09 | rgr_ | /usr/bin |
| 09:51.16 | andy5635353 | i have set up Straw as an rss reader and need to point the browser to the programme to read it |
| 09:51.20 | JyZyXEL | you can use whereis |
| 09:51.20 | andy5635353 | thanks |
| 09:51.24 | rgr_ | but I spuspect you mean the config files. |
| 09:51.25 | JyZyXEL | whereis iceweasel |
| 09:51.27 | rgr_ | suspect |
| 09:51.41 | rgr_ | aha you dont |
| 09:52.21 | sohum | I think I'm missing something completely obvious: apache2, php5, mysql-server, and php5-mysql are all installed. php's supposed to be scanning /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d for additional ini files, and the folder contains mysql.ini and mysqli.ini. yet, mysqli can't be found. |
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| 09:52.55 | rgr_ | sohum: #httpd |
| 09:53.25 | andy5635353 | thanks, anyone recommend a better rss reader? |
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| 09:53.37 | axle3d | hay, i downloaded the CD1 iso and put it on a usb to install on my netboot, but at the setup it asks about loading the cdrom!? |
| 09:53.40 | themill | rgr_: what do you think the apache people will say to a php configuration problem? Especially when they don't like debian's config file layout? |
| 09:53.42 | rgr_ | andy5635353: I use newbeuter in a terminal. |
| 09:54.04 | andy5635353 | rgr_: i need something gnome/kde with a gui |
| 09:54.05 | rgr_ | themill: no idea. hence I didnt tell him to go to #apache but #httpd |
| 09:54.08 | themill | sohum: are you using the default php5.ini or have you fiddled with it substantially? |
| 09:54.15 | sohum | themill: I haven't touched it |
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| 09:54.25 | themill | rgr_: maybe you should know what those channels actually ar |
| 09:54.25 | axle3d | i cant install because it wants a cdrom, but i want to install from the usb. how can i fix this please? |
| 09:54.26 | themill | e |
| 09:54.40 | rgr_ | themill: #httpd is where I got answers to all my debian apache issues. |
| 09:54.51 | sohum | rgr_: sorry? I thought it might be a debian thing, because afaik just installing those packages should enable the extension |
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| 09:55.11 | themill | sohum: installing the package should be enough, yes. Did you restart apache after installation? |
| 09:55.18 | rgr_ | sohum: it might be, I am only telling you another info source that I found useful regardless of themil's comments. |
| 09:55.41 | sohum | rgr_: fair enough, thanks. |
| 09:55.52 | sohum | themill: it reloaded itself. lemme try forcing a restart... |
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| 09:56.23 | themill | sohum: create a phpinfo() page and check what it has to say |
| 09:56.41 | sohum | themill: forcing a restart worked. gr. |
| 09:56.45 | axle3d | is it that debian CD1 can only be install from a cdrom :(? |
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| 09:57.03 | themill | sohum: yay! There of course shouldn't be any difference, but smile and be happy now ;) |
| 09:57.12 | sohum | themill, rgr_: sorry to have bothered you with such a silly problem, I really should've tried that /first/ :P |
| 09:57.23 | themill | sohum: no problem! |
| 09:57.34 | rgr_ | its what chat channels are for ;) good luck! |
| 09:57.49 | sohum | thanks! |
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| 10:00.36 | axle3d | any help? |
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| 10:07.57 | manixor | There is a short key to navigate between Workspace on GNOME Desktop? |
| 10:08.55 | luke1704 | Hello everybody. I am using Debian Lenny. Is it possible to update only one package (libglu1-mesa-dev) to testing? apt-get install libglu1-mesa-dev testing doesn't work. |
| 10:09.13 | mo | manixor: ctrl+alt arrows |
| 10:09.32 | manixor | mo Thank's. |
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| 10:10.23 | Ikarus | luke1704: libglu1-mesa-dev/testing and it only works if you have 1. testing sources added and 2. set the default to stable |
| 10:10.40 | luke1704 | thx |
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| 10:11.16 | themill | dpkg: tell erry_ about root |
| 10:11.37 | alexxio | hi cam you help me ubnderstanding why i havent sun-java6 or something similar in my repositories?? :D |
| 10:11.47 | themill | dpkg: tell alexxio about install java |
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| 10:12.00 | luke1704 | Ikarus, what do you exactly mean by "default to stable"? |
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| 10:12.35 | Ikarus | luke1704: you can tell apt to default download packages from stable |
| 10:13.46 | themill | luke1704: mixing lenny and squeeze is going to end in tears, particularly trying to mix different versions of X |
| 10:13.51 | luke1704 | Do you mean the configuration options in souces.list? I'll try "lenny testing" now... |
| 10:13.54 | alexxio | i didn't ask it before...but it's better to use aptitude or apt-get for installing packages? (or it's the same?) |
| 10:14.39 | themill | alexxio: aptitude is recommended. It handles problems better and gives more informative error messages. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 10:14.45 | alexxio | ok |
| 10:15.10 | alexxio | my apt-cache search sun-java just returns the openoffice.org line.. |
| 10:15.17 | rgr_ | luke1704: I have to agree with themill there. Theoretically it should be possible but its a real quagmire when things go wrong. |
| 10:15.34 | themill | alexxio: as dpkg said, you probably need to include "contrib non-free" in your sources.list. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 10:15.35 | luke1704 | themill, Ok, thanks for the warning. I often heard about that issue |
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| 10:16.53 | luke1704 | I have a damn linker error in the shared library. What would you recommend? Download Mesa from the website and install a second version to /usr/local? |
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| 10:20.09 | Nurbs | Does apt-get nowadays mark packages as automatically or manually installed, too? |
| 10:20.23 | themill | Nurbs: it does from lenny onwards |
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| 10:23.49 | manixor | Can somebody recommend me a JQuery plugin for scroll table. |
| 10:24.12 | Nurbs | One of the things that I like most about aptitude is search for packages, e.g. aptitude search \~o for all obsolete packages |
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| 10:24.41 | manixor | ...wrong channel |
| 10:24.43 | babilen | manixor: Why do you think that #debian is a better place to ask than #jquery? ;) |
| 10:24.59 | babilen | manixor: hehe :) |
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| 10:26.08 | D4T | any using fuse ZFS here in a production environment? |
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| 10:27.25 | thrashold | D4T: Would a home desktop count? (Although I compiled it from latest repository sources, and not from the one in Debian, because the latter has bugs which make it unusable for me) |
| 10:28.06 | D4T | thrashold: I guess so, just wanted experience of it really. I have used it under opensolaris but thats a different kettle of fish as we all know. |
| 10:29.12 | thrashold | D4T: It has some bugs, and it crashes sometimes (once a month, maybe?), and some operations are slow, but other than that, I'm happy with it :) |
| 10:29.42 | D4T | thrashold: hmmm... sounds like I should wait to me :) I just want something I can setup and forget about ;) |
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| 10:32.39 | thrashold | D4T: Please note that I'm one of the few complaining about crashes on the mailing list. |
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| 10:33.34 | D4T | thrashold: fair enough, still unsure however. I think I will stick to what I know best for now :) thanks for the advice though. |
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| 10:45.59 | jrgp | does the debian sysinstall offer an option of installing grub to a floppy disk, rather than the hard drive? |
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| 10:48.20 | cast | whats that? |
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| 10:49.25 | jrgp | pardon? |
| 10:49.33 | krisfremen | jrgp: doesn't grub ask you were you want it installed? |
| 10:49.40 | krisfremen | s/were/where/ |
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| 10:50.03 | jrgp | I'm pretty sure it asks which drive to install it to. |
| 10:50.10 | jrgp | I think near the end of sysinstall, when it's comfirming stuff |
| 10:50.32 | krisfremen | yeah... so point to the floppy |
| 10:51.11 | jrgp | I want to do this because my bios cannot boot to sata drives (since they're on a pci card). My only concern then is if grub can see the drives which are on the card |
| 10:51.37 | jrgp | I'm not sure if grub only sees what the bios sees or what |
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| 10:52.41 | krisfremen | i'm pretty sure that if bios can't see the drives, then grub won't work off of them |
| 10:52.51 | jrgp | mk thanks |
| 10:52.52 | krisfremen | but it should see them when running off a floppy |
| 10:53.09 | jrgp | why is that? |
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| 10:53.51 | Pinchiukas | Why does mc look so weird: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1028/03262010125315.png ? |
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| 10:54.24 | jrgp | Pinchiukas: did yo uresize the terminal window? |
| 10:54.36 | Pinchiukas | I may have. Why? |
| 10:54.43 | jrgp | that might mess with it |
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| 10:54.55 | Pinchiukas | Umm no, not resizing results in the same thing. |
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| 10:55.03 | jrgp | hmm |
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| 10:58.16 | ryx | how do I force aptitude to install a package even though dependencies are not met? |
| 10:58.53 | axle3d | It is possible to link /dev/cdrom to an .iso file?' |
| 10:59.08 | cast | ryx: eh and why do you want to do that |
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| 10:59.25 | cast | axle3d: use losetup instead, and point /dev/cdrom to the loop dev |
| 10:59.36 | themill | dpkg: tell ryx about dependency |
| 10:59.40 | ryx | I want to install nvidia-libvdpau1, which depends on a non-existing package, that probably got renamed |
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| 11:00.39 | axle3d | So if i linked /dev/cdrom to the installcd.iso, i can fix the installer (wanting a cdrom) issue |
| 11:00.46 | ryx | I find it highly likely that the non-existing nvidia-libvdpau1-driver is in fact nvidia-vdpau-driver (which is installed), and would like to try that first |
| 11:00.51 | ryx | and no, I'm not stupid |
| 11:01.31 | cast | axle3d: thats not really what i said, ;\ but a cd installer? how retro |
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| 11:03.05 | axle3d | Cast, its because am booting off a usb, with no cdrom, which the installer needs to install debian |
| 11:03.40 | axle3d | Even though the usb is the .iso contents |
| 11:03.59 | themill | ,archs nvidia-libvdpau1 sid |
| 11:03.59 | judd | nvidia-libvdpau1 in sid: amd64 (190.53-2); i386 (190.53-1) |
| 11:04.30 | themill | ryx: looks like version skew between archs. And with ftp-master down that's not going to be fixed straight away |
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| 11:09.08 | ryx | themill: thanks |
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| 11:32.41 | dgeary2 | where in a debian package is the appropriate place for a copyright notice? |
| 11:33.11 | themill | dgeary2: all debian packages have /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright |
| 11:34.37 | dgeary2 | themill, how can one view the copyright for a file in one's package manager? |
| 11:34.48 | dgeary2 | s/file/program |
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| 11:35.19 | themill | dgeary2: No idea if package managers have this integrated, but you can view the copyright file from packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 11:35.34 | kmonk | meh |
| 11:36.24 | kmonk | didnt work, neway how's everyone :) |
| 11:37.11 | kmonk | gtg |
| 11:37.13 | dgeary2 | themill, packages.debian.org/packagename looks to be a simple representation of the copying file... |
| 11:37.23 | themill | dgeary2: it is. |
| 11:37.45 | dgeary2 | themill, i think the copyright notice should be accessible from the package manager |
| 11:38.09 | themill | dgeary2: file a wishlist bug for the package manager to do so, if such a bug is not already filed. |
| 11:38.43 | themill | imagines that synaptic probably has this feature already |
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| 11:39.02 | dgeary2 | themill, i think it is more complicated than that... |
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| 11:39.16 | abrotman | not that i can see |
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| 11:39.54 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman | dgeary2: how is it more complicated ? |
| 11:40.20 | themill | and it pulls from screenshots.d.n already |
| 11:40.54 | dgeary2 | abrotman, how does one browse the documentation? |
| 11:41.14 | abrotman | it browses /usr/share/doc/$(pkgname)/ i'd assume |
| 11:42.28 | dgeary2 | abrotman, sorry, where is the option to browse documentation in synaptic? |
| 11:43.02 | abrotman | dgeary2: in squeeze, it's under the Package menu |
| 11:43.20 | themill | dgeary2: your ubuntu synaptic will be a different version, however. Please ask them. |
| 11:43.35 | dgeary2 | abrotman, ah okay, i see |
| 11:43.41 | dgeary2 | themill, thanks for the reminder... |
| 11:44.05 | dgeary2 | my synaptic is version 0.62.5 |
| 11:45.16 | dgeary2 | abrotman, does the package have to be installed to view the documentation? |
| 11:45.28 | themill | dgeary2: and there's a 300kB diff between that version and the debian version. Please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 11:45.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:45.52 | abrotman | dgeary2: if yu're using ubuntu, go ask them .. i have no idea how synaptic works there, i've never used it in ubuntu |
| 11:46.03 | abrotman | or debian really .. it's just installed |
| 11:46.06 | dgeary2 | themill, i am not concerned with the present ubuntu, i am concerned with the future debian |
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| 11:47.50 | dgeary2 | i think that the copying file should be available for viewing from within the package manager before installation |
| 11:48.08 | themill | dgeary2: have you filed the wishlist bug yet? |
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| 11:52.15 | X-TREME-AS | Hey zusammen |
| 11:53.19 | Pinchiukas | Why does mc look so weird: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1028/03262010125315.png ? |
| 11:53.24 | dgeary2 | themill, where do i file the wishlist bug? it is a general package management issue. |
| 11:53.33 | X-TREME-AS | weiss jemand warum für amd64 immer noch das sun-java 17-1 in den repos ist und für 32bit das 18-4 |
| 11:53.46 | themill | !de |
| 11:53.46 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 11:53.53 | X-TREME-AS | th |
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| 11:54.40 | themill | dgeary2: it's not a package management issue at all, it's a feature request for a specific package management front end. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 11:56.28 | dgeary2 | themill, okay so i file this against synaptic and aptitude to begin with... |
| 11:57.31 | abrotman | dgeary2: against whichever package you want to have that feature |
| 11:57.56 | themill | dgeary2: You might like to mention that if DEP-5 is accepted and package start using that then the data could be parsed into a "nice" format too. |
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| 11:58.11 | abrotman | tooting your own horn! |
| 11:59.42 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492432 |
| 11:59.53 | abrotman | dgeary2: you might want to read that URL |
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| 12:01.56 | dgeary2 | themill, i agree with DEP-5, yet i think that there is a less technically challenging short-term solution |
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| 12:04.04 | dgeary2 | abrotman, brilliant url, thanks that's exactly what i was getting at... i was beaten to it... |
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| 12:05.12 | abrotman | imagines all the time saved ... |
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| 12:05.39 | themill | was pretty sure he mentioned searching for a wishlist bug already filed... |
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| 12:12.55 | dgeary2 | since bug #492432 was raised in july 2008 and it is now march 2010, i can see that the report will likely not be implemented... |
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| 12:14.19 | themill | dgeary2: if any one cares it will be. Do you care? If so, work on an implementation for it. |
| 12:14.24 | dgeary2 | i therefore propose to file a wish against the Debian Policy Manual section 3.4, how would i do that? |
| 12:15.27 | themill | please don't do stupid things like that... it just wastes people's time. And §3.4 of policy has nothing to do with copyright as it explicitly says |
| 12:15.50 | dgeary2 | themill, problems requiring coordination must come from the top down, who is the appropriate person to talk to? |
| 12:16.08 | themill | dgeary2: people will work on this if they think it is important. |
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| 12:17.31 | themill | If they don't, then your bug will just get closed. Actually, it will be just reassigned to the package management frontend and merged with the one abrotman linked to earlier. |
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| 12:24.32 | themill | wonders why dgeary2 is so interested in this. |
| 12:24.35 | themill | You always have the right to use packages that are in Debian -- it's only the programmer who needs to worry about licence compatability and they should be reading the real upstream copyright files not the summary that the maintainer has provided. |
| 12:25.03 | dgeary2 | themill, untrue, users need to know their rights and responsibilities too |
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| 12:25.42 | themill | Everything in debian meets the DFSG. There isn't really more that the user needs to know. That's one of the reasons for having the DFSG. |
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| 12:27.10 | themill | Perhaps you want a link next to every single package in the package manager saying "you have the right to install and run the things in this package". |
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| 12:28.25 | iceroot | themill: for the non-free part (flash, skype,sun-java) its not a bad idea to tell the user at the installation what the rights are and maybe with libdvdcss2, what the problems are |
| 12:28.44 | isfranc | hello |
| 12:29.07 | isfranc | have a idea for best test to 3d effect, for see is my config is good ? |
| 12:29.29 | JPT | any opengl-screensaver should do |
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| 12:30.11 | themill | iceroot: it's already indicated in the package managers that they are not part of debian -- if the user wants to stray away from debian they need to look at these things themselves and there is no generic way of finding out these restrictions without downloading the .deb first. catch22. |
| 12:30.31 | isfranc | ok JPT thanks, i am not a great X user |
| 12:30.47 | iceroot | themill: its in the debian-repsoitorys, so there is a maintainer for that |
| 12:31.08 | JPT | :) |
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| 12:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | other then the effort required to maintain the service, does the changelog display situation differ much from copyright changelog display? |
| 12:31.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | <displays ignorance> |
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| 12:31.57 | themill | iceroot: skype is not. flash is not. libdvdcss2, is not. |
| 12:32.37 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: for things that are indexed by packages.debian.org, the copyright file is already available one click off the p.d.o page in a pool structure. Exactly the same as the changelog. |
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| 12:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: ah yes, thats true |
| 12:33.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | so hooking them up, if desirable are the only things required |
| 12:33.37 | iceroot | themill: non-free repos? |
| 12:33.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/able/able, |
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| 12:33.57 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: so it's a simple enough thing to implement. And that no-one has bothered to indicates that it's not really something anyone cares about. |
| 12:34.05 | themill | iceroot: what about them? |
| 12:34.13 | cirwin | there seems to be an apt conflict, when I install lxde it wants to remove lxde-settings-daemon, and vice versa, how do I sort this out? |
| 12:34.17 | iceroot | themill: they are in non-free if i am correct |
| 12:34.39 | themill | iceroot: they are not. And non-free is often not considered to be part of Debian anyway. |
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| 12:35.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: yup. |
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| 12:35.55 | iceroot | themill: ok |
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| 12:36.42 | cantido | Is there an alternative way of sharing user ids across systems? I don't really want to setup openldap.. |
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| 12:38.56 | Titan8990 | cantido: NIS |
| 12:39.23 | Titan8990 | !nis |
| 12:39.23 | dpkg | well, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <NFS>. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 12:39.56 | cantido | mm liking the "many sysadmins hate it" |
| 12:40.38 | Titan8990 | its fine for a home setup... |
| 12:40.45 | cantido | I really want something that can work disconnected.. so my laptop had the same user ids as the machines at home and my dedi boxes |
| 12:40.53 | aburch | At the math institute of my university they used to just cp /etc/passwd around until recently. |
| 12:41.23 | cantido | aburch: I have a mix of debian and netbsd boxes.. so I'm not sure if that'll work |
| 12:41.25 | themill | heh where could it go wrong |
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| 12:41.45 | cantido | has just seen a nss thing for a second passwd file.. |
| 12:42.00 | aburch | Well, it did go wrong when there was no network. |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | cantido: you could also auth against a samba/win32 box .. there are many ways to do central auth |
| 12:42.22 | aburch | (And they managed to implement cat $a $b >/etc/passwd in C with a buffer overflow...) |
| 12:43.12 | cantido | abrotman: I don't really want it to be central. I just want my user ids to be the same on each machine. So when I mount my home from one boxes to the other I don't have issues with my userid/groupids being different between machines |
| 12:43.29 | cantido | secondary passwd file + rsync seems ok |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | cantido: between OSes ? i don't think that's a grand plan to copy files around .. especially given that bsd/linux do things differently |
| 12:43.49 | Titan8990 | cantido: why does different userids come into play when mounting? |
| 12:44.03 | themill | cantido: is this for more than one user? |
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| 12:44.56 | cantido | Titan8990: so the userid for my user on one box is different to my userid on the box thats hosting the files.. so I mount an export over NFS and those files arent owned by my user |
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| 12:45.12 | cantido | unless I'm missing something with my NFS config that'll magically map the user ids |
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| 12:47.17 | Dominicus | Does anyone know how to tell when and why a module is autoloaded? I have a "r8169" kernel module that keeps being autoloaded, but I don't know what is autoloading it, or where in the system startup that it's occuring. And all my efforts to blacklist it using the knowledge in dpkg, and from around the net, has failed to keep it from autoloading. The only measure that has worked so far, is to... |
| 12:47.18 | Dominicus | ...rename/delete the "r8169.ko" kernel module file. |
| 12:47.42 | themill | !blacklist |
| 12:47.42 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 12:47.50 | cantido | themill: 3 users.. but maybe more in the future |
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| 12:48.27 | cantido | themill: I could just go around and make all the userids the same on all the boxes. But I was wondering if there was something more elegant |
| 12:48.35 | themill | cantido: ahh.... enough that you actually have to wonder about mapping them |
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| 12:48.49 | Dominicus | themill: I asked dpkg direectly last night, and then tried all of those ideas. None seemed to work. Even those instructions are iffy at best, because it even says that one might not work. |
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| 12:49.24 | wols | Dominicus: it does work |
| 12:49.33 | themill | Dominicus: did you follow the link to "blacklist-initramfs" |
| 12:49.40 | cantido | themill: I used to have openldap etc all setup but its just too much hassle, and it didn't work too well with my laptop unless I ran a slave openldap locally |
| 12:49.56 | themill | yeah |
| 12:50.05 | wols | Dominicus: can you lspci -nn and paste the output in a pastebin? |
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| 12:50.43 | madmac2501 | hi, i want to do a debian multiple binary package, but i want to compile each package with different options. Is there documentation about doing this? |
| 12:51.04 | cantido | secondary passwd copied about would be ok for the debian boxes I think. Not sure if the format is different for the netbsd passwd file, but I could write something to fix that I suppose |
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| 12:56.03 | babilen | madmac2501: Study debian/rules in vim and ask in #debian-mentors at irc.oftc.net |
| 12:56.14 | cantido | madmac2501: I haven't done any packaging in ages.. but from what I rememeber you call the build commands from debian/rules,.. you should be able to append the different options you want to each of your build commands |
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| 12:56.53 | cantido | madmac2501: I've seen packages using different CFLAGS depending on the build arch too |
| 12:58.10 | madmac2501 | babilen, cantido, thanks, i have just seen it in google, i am looking at vim debian/rules |
| 12:58.12 | madmac2501 | thanks |
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| 12:59.24 | babilen | !tell madmac2501 -about mentors |
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| 12:59.59 | babilen | madmac2501: I guess though that vim's rules file is a little more complicated than what you have in mind |
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| 13:00.07 | DanyFrancesc | i need something for do snapshots/images/ghost* things of the windows of my mother's machine in order to recover it in the future, what i can use ? |
| 13:00.47 | madmac2501 | babilen, well, it is better that it is complicated, just need to pick up parts and ideas that i need |
| 13:00.54 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: dd will work fine for that |
| 13:01.26 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: I would suggest backing up the files opposed to making complete disk images though |
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| 13:03.21 | iceroot | is there a way to use cat on /var/log/syslog.2.gz without extracting the file first? |
| 13:03.29 | cantido | iceroot: zcat |
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| 13:03.37 | iceroot | cantido: nice, thank you |
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| 13:03.58 | cantido | gunzip can also decompress to stdout.. |
| 13:04.03 | cantido | i think |
| 13:04.05 | themill | iceroot: but unless you want a UUOC award, you're probably looking for zless or zgrep :) |
| 13:04.33 | iceroot | themill: i am lokking for zcat /var/log/auth.log.1.gz | grep foobar |
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| 13:04.37 | iceroot | themill: i guess |
| 13:04.41 | themill | iceroot: zgrep :) |
| 13:04.47 | iceroot | themill: ah :) |
| 13:05.03 | themill | !uuoc iceroot |
| 13:05.03 | dpkg | hands iceroot the "useless use of cat" award |
| 13:05.30 | DanyFrancesc | cantido, just backing up files ? so i can just use rsync and will be recoved correctly ? |
| 13:06.19 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: if you backup the files you should be able to recover them, rdiff-backup is good for that |
| 13:06.41 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: if you make a complete image of the fs you have to worry about that filesystem being recoverable |
| 13:06.41 | DanyFrancesc | ok thx |
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| 13:06.50 | DanyFrancesc | i think tha ti have tried this on the past but has not worked |
| 13:06.56 | DanyFrancesc | windows errors crappy stuff |
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| 13:07.11 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: you won't be able to copy the files back and have a booting system |
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| 13:08.25 | DanyFrancesc | cantido, what you mean ?¿ |
| 13:08.58 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: if you had a system fs for the "os" and then a fs for her files you could do an image of the system partition (copy disk image back, instant bootable system) and then use rdiff-backup or similar to keep good backups of her files from the other fs |
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| 13:12.05 | DanyFrancesc | cantido, im not sure to understand... so i have an ntfs partition where is windows, i want to do a backup on my linux* filesystem, by simply doing a rdiff-backup from hte ntfs mounpoint to my linux partition special directory it is possible ? so recover back when needed |
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| 13:13.02 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: if you use rdiff-backup to backup the files you will have a copy of the files. You won't be able to copy them back to a blank disk and have a bootable windows install |
| 13:13.20 | rgr_ | DanyFrancesc: use rsnapshot |
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| 13:14.55 | sometux | I have a intel server with debian installed with the following specs: board SR2500ALLXR, RAID is disabled from BIOS, 4 SAS disk drives,2 Xeon, 4 Gigs RAM. the server was working fine for about 4 months, but it starts to give an error message: IO access reject to offline disk. it appears that linux loses the access to the root. After rebooting everything works fine for a while the the problem reappears, any idea guys??????? |
| 13:15.21 | cantido | sometux: broken disk |
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| 13:15.34 | abrotman | or broken controller |
| 13:15.43 | jelly | or broken driver |
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| 13:15.47 | cantido | sometux: check further back in dmesg and try to work out why the disk is going offline |
| 13:15.56 | DanyFrancesc | cantido, what about rsync'in the contents of the rdiff backuped snapshot to the running windows partition ? |
| 13:15.58 | cantido | yeah, or broken controller |
| 13:16.27 | DanyFrancesc | rgr_, thanks, the description looks very good |
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| 13:16.33 | cantido | DanyFrancesc: that would be fine.. for example if you backup her documents directory and copy them back it should be fine |
| 13:16.42 | sometux | cantido: I suspect the disk controller???????? |
| 13:16.46 | DanyFrancesc | i see |
| 13:16.50 | cantido | sometux: check dmesg |
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| 13:16.54 | cantido | sometux: we can't guess |
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| 13:17.31 | sometux | cantido: do you think it could be driver bug??? |
| 13:18.33 | cantido | sometux: it could be lots of things.. you need to check! |
| 13:19.41 | sometux | cantido: hardware or software, what do think its the most likely??????? |
| 13:19.47 | Dominicus | themill: I actually don't think I tried the blacklist-initramfs thing. I ultimately had a "blacklist.local", "blacklist.local.conf", "r8169.conf" all with a "blacklist r8169" line in them, followed by a "depmod -ae" followed by a "update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` -v". But, that was a REALLY long day for me, so obviously I must have been screwing something up, because it's not autoloading... |
| 13:19.48 | Dominicus | ...now. Thanks guys! (I hate it when that happens). Now, will I have to worry about something getting reset or reverted with a kernel or package update in the future? |
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| 13:21.32 | sometux | cantido: I know i need to check all the logs, but the server isn't under my access now. |
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| 13:22.57 | sometux | exit |
| 13:22.58 | cantido | sometux: it could be a broken disk, a broken controller, or maybe a bug somewhere. but that message means that the disk has been offlined for some reason so it's no longer directing any IO it's way |
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| 13:23.36 | plus_M | Anyone here familiar with likewise-open? I had it installed and it was working (aside from mounting shares, but that's besides the point) but then all of a sudden today I couldn't log in with a local account, but I could with an AD account. I commented out lines that mentioned lsass in /etc/pam.d and then I could log in. Any idea how I might fix this permanently while still retaining the ability to authenticate against AD? |
| 13:24.10 | sometux | cantido: thanx so much! |
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| 13:28.03 | Dominicus | Is there a pastebin CLI tool available for Debian that works? I know Gentoo has one that is capable of drawing from the contents of the X11 clipboard via CLI, and the same or another one that can take data piped to it and submit it as a pastebin as well. But, I tried pastebinit, and it doesn't return a unique URL. Just the main website URL. |
| 13:28.37 | plus_M | pastebinit |
| 13:28.40 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 13:28.40 | dpkg | pastebinit is, like, a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 13:28.57 | plus_M | hasn't been working w/ pastebin.com for me lately, but it does work with pastebin.ca |
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| 13:29.49 | jelly | Dominicus: tell pastebin explicitely to use eg. paste.debian.net |
| 13:30.08 | jelly | er, pastebinit |
| 13:31.41 | Dominicus | The "dmesg | pastebinit" example for the knowledge in dpkg about pastebinit is wrong. It generates "Error no arguments specified!" instead. |
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| 13:33.37 | slidesinger | A sysv question: If I want to run something only when I start it, just pull the reference out of sysv except for special cases like 6, where it needs to be in stop? |
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| 13:34.46 | wols | slidesinger: pull it out of the runlevel dir it is in |
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| 13:35.16 | wols | Dominicus: I think you can choose which pastebin to use |
| 13:35.28 | slidesinger | wols: Thank you |
| 13:35.37 | wols | ,versions pastebinit |
| 13:35.39 | judd | pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-2; sid: 0.11.2-1; squeeze: 0.11.2-1 |
| 13:36.06 | wols | Dominicus: if you can't get it to work, get it from squeeze. it's a script, so no problems with dependencies |
| 13:36.08 | luminoso | is there anyway to have only tunneling enables, with shell access disabled, when using putty? |
| 13:36.20 | luminoso | anyway to block user activity? |
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| 13:37.08 | wols | luminoso: set the user's shell to /bin/false ? |
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| 13:37.25 | luminoso | wols, thanks |
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| 13:38.33 | daltio12 | guys i have 730 GB disk and 1 500 GB usb disk i want to take dd backyp of 730 GB disk on 500 GB disk |
| 13:38.36 | daltio12 | is it possible? |
| 13:38.42 | daltio12 | how i manage to do this? |
| 13:38.48 | chops1 | I'm trying to use read -e from a bash script, but it doesn't seem to work (http://pastebin.com/EF2ABCM3 -- TARGET is always set to /opt/qt/4.5.0). What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:39.02 | chops1 | daltio12: Don't use dd? :-) |
| 13:39.17 | chops1 | daltio12: You can say bzip2 < /dev/bigdisk > /dev/smalldisk; that would probably work |
| 13:39.20 | daltio12 | then what i use i have to recover my debian |
| 13:39.20 | wols | daltio12: with a file based backup program? one that can do compression? |
| 13:39.33 | daltio12 | which one any ? |
| 13:39.35 | wols | daltio12: depends on the backup method |
| 13:39.36 | chops1 | daltio12: If you just want backups, then back up the files, not the partition. |
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| 13:39.40 | daltio12 | u know and works best |
| 13:40.51 | daltio12 | no no for now i have to restore whole OS i lost my 1 machine i have another machine with same spec i want to dd it on aonther machine but i have 500GB usb |
| 13:41.15 | daltio12 | please tel me any backup software that i use to resote all partitions data MBR |
| 13:41.27 | daltio12 | and restore so that my bad machine boots up |
| 13:41.28 | luminoso | wols, putty auto-closes with shell /bin/false |
| 13:41.45 | iceroot | luminoso: of course without a login-shell |
| 13:42.05 | wols | luminoso: try bin/true ? if that doesn't work, use a program that doesn't accept input but runs forever |
| 13:42.14 | luminoso | i want that putty stays open for tunneling only, without bash access |
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| 13:42.44 | chops1 | daltio12: Is it exactly the same size of drive on the new machine? Generally it's better to use a file-based backup method and then rerun the bootloader than to use dd to transfer to a new drive |
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| 13:43.13 | daltio12 | yes both machine have exactly same size disk |
| 13:43.42 | daltio12 | but fdisk show difference in sectors other wise size is 730 GB on both disk |
| 13:43.49 | chops1 | daltio12: Hm |
| 13:44.50 | chops1 | daltio12: I'd recommend tar and rerun the bootloader. If you're really determined to use dd, then you can use bzip2 as I recommended (or even "bzip2 < /dev/olddrive > /mnt/usbdrive/disk.bz2" to avoid hosing the USB drive temporarily) |
| 13:45.47 | luminoso | well.. /bin/true doesn't work either. any tip for an app thar runs forever? |
| 13:46.04 | cirwin | luminoso: cat ? |
| 13:46.14 | luminoso | hummmmmmmmmmm! |
| 13:46.16 | luminoso | ty |
| 13:46.21 | wols | cirwin: not goot. that checks for stdin then |
| 13:46.45 | wols | luminoso: while (1) sleep(0); |
| 13:46.55 | luminoso | hum |
| 13:46.56 | daltio12 | actualy i take backup for / /boot and MBR from partimage and i restore but data is there but no boot screen comes in |
| 13:46.56 | luminoso | thank you! |
| 13:47.09 | daltio12 | i want excat same machine to be up |
| 13:47.28 | daltio12 | atleast machine bott ill copy data then its no issue |
| 13:47.58 | chops1 | daltio12: For the third time, I'd recommend copying the files and then rerunning the bootloader. |
| 13:48.19 | daltio12 | chop1 am confused how i reruning bootloader |
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| 13:49.21 | chops1 | (Also, I sorted out my read -e problem -- I just wasn't running the right script; of course, read -e works fine). |
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| 13:49.28 | chops1 | daltio12: Which bootloader are you using? grub? |
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| 13:50.36 | daltio12 | yes grub |
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| 13:52.09 | daltio12 | chops1? |
| 13:52.17 | adamska | hello do you know where can i set my DNS server in my debian configuration file? |
| 13:52.40 | rvsjoen | what's a debian configuration file |
| 13:52.51 | rvsjoen | I assume you are looking for /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:53.07 | chops1 | daltio12: Okay, so restore the files using tar, then boot on the new system using a rescue disk, chroot into the filesystem you restored, and then run 'grub-install /dev/whateverdisk' |
| 13:53.08 | wols | adamska: but if you use dhcp you need to edit your dhclient.conf as well |
| 13:53.11 | adamska | rvsjoen, thank you, long time |
| 13:53.19 | adamska | wols, thanks too |
| 13:53.38 | daltio12 | ok |
| 13:53.48 | daltio12 | from that rescue cd |
| 13:53.50 | TalkSoup | you might have to bind /dev/ and /proc/ devices for chroot to work properly? |
| 13:53.57 | daltio12 | i am using systemrescue cd |
| 13:54.38 | TalkSoup | not /dev/ and /proc/ specifically, but they need to be bound for bootstrapping installations anyway' i guess this wouldnt matter... nvm o_O |
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| 13:55.02 | chops1 | TalkSoup, daltio12: You might (and you might also need to mount /boot, depending on how your partitions are set up) |
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| 13:56.57 | daltio12 | actually let me explan the scenario , my bad machine was a lustre bachine with path redhat kernel , i have exactly same os machine working i need to restore it on bad 1 , i am not going to repath debain with redhat kerenl |
| 13:57.38 | daltio12 | thats why i was using dd , but i have no usb , |
| 13:58.01 | kmonk | zomg, why not just recompile original kernel to suit your needs? |
| 13:58.05 | daltio12 | i have restore partition with sfdisk and restore / |
| 13:58.27 | kmonk | just as an idea |
| 13:58.42 | daltio12 | when i mount / it shows me data , i restore /boot also and MBR but unable to boot from that restore |
| 13:59.01 | daltio12 | i am sorry but i a really confused and want to up and running my bad machine by tomorow |
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| 14:00.13 | kmonk | sudo grub-install /dev/sda (or hda or hdb etc) |
| 14:00.54 | kmonk | if all you need is to fix grub? then sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst for manual edit |
| 14:00.59 | slidesinger | Anyone know how to tell if gpsd is running? |
| 14:01.06 | kmonk | from rescue cd |
| 14:01.35 | kmonk | if you need to install a new kernel from inside the system itself consult the chroot manual :s |
| 14:02.30 | daltio12 | chops1? |
| 14:02.48 | daltio12 | plz help me out so should i go for bzip? |
| 14:02.56 | daltio12 | or try to install grub? |
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| 14:03.03 | chops1 | daltio12: You can if you like. I'd recommend installing grub. |
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| 14:03.58 | kmonk | yep |
| 14:04.18 | intgr | Hi, my 'debuild' is complaining that "cannot represent change to foobar/debian/...: binary file contents changed" |
| 14:04.35 | intgr | Because apparently my rules "clean" doesn't clean out the install DESTDIR |
| 14:04.48 | intgr | However, I pretty much used the plain rules file from dh_make |
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| 14:04.53 | themill | intgr: you've changed a binary file in some way. You need to fix your clean target. |
| 14:04.58 | kmonk | does "make mrproper" clean it properly? |
| 14:05.15 | intgr | I don't have mrproper :) |
| 14:05.30 | kmonk | :P nvm |
| 14:05.37 | intgr | themill: The point is, that's the DESTDIR created by Debian's scripts. Shouldn't it clean its own stuff? |
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| 14:05.57 | themill | intgr: did you write the main Makefile? |
| 14:06.09 | intgr | Yeah |
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| 14:07.50 | themill | intgr: sounds like either you're not using DESTDIR correctly or not cleaning up correctly |
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| 14:09.09 | intgr | themill: The install target has a line "$(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/direcserver install" |
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| 14:09.43 | daltio12 | hmm |
| 14:10.01 | intgr | And that was generated by dh_make if I'm not mistaken |
| 14:10.23 | themill | intgr: are you calling dh_clean? Perhaps pastebin your debian/rules and the Makefile |
| 14:10.53 | slidesinger | Tried the following to see if gpsd is running: dmesg | grep gpsd, ps aux | grep gpsd, and ls /var/run Everything comes up blank. |
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| 14:11.26 | intgr | themill: Should I have "dh_clean" in the install target? |
| 14:11.56 | themill | intgr: no, it would be in the clean target. But it depends how you're using debhelper too. |
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| 14:24.14 | intgr | themill: I don't know what I changed, but it works now... |
| 14:24.25 | intgr | Thanks anyway. :) |
| 14:24.45 | themill | yay |
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| 14:35.41 | AlHafoudh | hi all |
| 14:35.55 | AlHafoudh | what is the best ipsec implementation of ipsec which supports nat traversal? |
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| 14:37.23 | xuser | cisco |
| 14:37.36 | xuser | try openswan |
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| 14:38.30 | themill | dpkg, fix RA3OR's connection |
| 14:38.31 | dpkg | takes RA3OR's connection to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 14:38.39 | joltcan | AlHafoudh: Are you required to use IPSEC? Otherwise OpenVPN is excellent for that stuff |
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| 14:41.10 | Da_Wrecka | Hardware question for anyone. My mother's considering a laptop that has an Athlon 2 processor. I seem to recall hearing that the Athlon 2s are awful and should be avoided, but not any specific reasons. Can anyone confirm that the Athlon 2s are awful, and if so why? |
| 14:41.42 | asperon | hi guys, i need to update my version of ddclient, then one in lenny is 3.7.3 and the one in sid is 3.8.0 (the latest), could i grab the sid .deb and install that or should i compile my own package? |
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| 14:42.52 | asperon | nm, seems like the sid package worked just fine |
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| 14:43.15 | intgr | Da_Wrecka: Athlon II was fine in its time, but now they're just awfully slow. |
| 14:44.22 | Da_Wrecka | hmm |
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| 14:45.51 | Da_Wrecka | How slow are we talking here? Better than a Mobile Sempron, right? |
| 14:45.58 | luminoso | sor sid the only line needed is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 14:45.58 | luminoso | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.02 | adam | hi, looking for some help with an init script writing for heartbet |
| 14:46.17 | adam | script is starting some kvm instances |
| 14:46.23 | adam | located here http://pastebin.com/4YqPsnHd |
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| 14:47.16 | adam | script is starting fine, but there are two kvm instance one running lenny, the other win7 |
| 14:47.23 | AlHafoudh | joltcan: yes, i need ipsec |
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| 14:47.42 | joltcan | AlHafoudh: Nevermind then |
| 14:47.43 | adam | when stop is called from one script, both kvm instances are killed |
| 14:47.43 | rgr_ | Is it possble to easily disable a thinkpads touchpad? I prefer the physical "nipple" also built in. |
| 14:47.56 | Da_Wrecka | pokes intgr |
| 14:48.07 | intgr | Ow! |
| 14:48.11 | adam | Maybe I have something wrong with the pid files? |
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| 14:48.29 | Da_Wrecka | intgr: Answer question plox |
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| 14:48.44 | intgr | Da_Wrecka: I think recent Semprons should be adequate. |
| 14:48.53 | Da_Wrecka | This one's not a recent Sempron |
| 14:48.59 | themill | Da_Wrecka: you might do better in ##hardware |
| 14:49.08 | Da_Wrecka | Good point |
| 14:49.09 | intgr | Da_Wrecka: Ah you're talking of used laptops? |
| 14:49.14 | Da_Wrecka | Not quite |
| 14:49.29 | Da_Wrecka | Her laptop right now has a Mobile Sempron, she's looking to replace it |
| 14:49.39 | rgr_ | I have no xorg.conf and dont know if I should create one to disable the touchpad since all hits on disabling it suggest lines in xorg.conf. |
| 14:49.51 | intgr | Well, anything from with Intel Core 2 will beat Athlon II. |
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| 14:49.58 | intgr | s/from// |
| 14:50.01 | rgr_ | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:50.16 | Da_Wrecka | Mmm, we have found an Intel T4400 laptop... Problem is that one's out of stock |
| 14:50.17 | Titan8990 | rgr_: I would imagine xorg.conf or hal fdi would work. xorg.conf is likely easier |
| 14:51.01 | rgr_ | Titan8990: yeah, but it hten means hardcoding the rest I guess. so its X --configure time I usppose? |
| 14:51.09 | cahoot | rgr: unload psmouse unless you need it for other devices |
| 14:51.14 | Titan8990 | rgr_: X -configure |
| 14:51.15 | Da_Wrecka | ...huh. I could've sworn I registered this nick |
| 14:51.30 | rgr_ | cahoot: how? |
| 14:51.34 | AlHafoudh | joltcan: if openvpn has PSK authentication, then i would use openvpn :) |
| 14:52.11 | cahoot | rgr: modprobe -r psmouse |
| 14:52.22 | rgr_ | init.d removal I guess |
| 14:52.34 | rgr_ | aha, and do you know off hand if its used for other things? |
| 14:52.51 | cahoot | ps mice |
| 14:52.57 | developer | in terminal when I type hostname then I get my hostname but when I type hostname -s or -a -d then it promts hostname: Unknown host |
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| 14:53.05 | rgr_ | cahoot: ..... that has killed my mouse completely. |
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| 14:53.46 | rgr_ | and modprobing it back has not enabled it! |
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| 14:54.29 | joltcan | AlHafoudh: You need to authenticate with a key? |
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| 14:54.35 | Titan8990 | developer: check /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts for setting your fqdn |
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| 14:55.40 | joltcan | AlHafoudh: Openvpn has support for auth-user-pass for user/pw authentication via the tunnel |
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| 14:57.31 | Titan8990 | it can also do PKI |
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| 15:02.08 | innociv | should i choose internet site or internet site with smart host? OR another?.. I have a debian server i have an httpd and php set up on. I need to use the php mail() function to send confirmation emails. |
| 15:02.17 | innociv | when i do apt-get install it runs a config thing |
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| 15:08.14 | developer | paste.debian.net/66000 can someone see I problem in this configuraion? |
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| 15:10.10 | themill | developer: many things are wrong with /etc/hosts there. That's now how the installer set it up |
| 15:10.39 | rgr_ | a brand new install of debian testing and invoking users and groups from the menu (gnome) - it wont allow me to modify the groupd for my user. |
| 15:10.46 | developer | I made some changes since the installation |
| 15:10.50 | rgr_ | s/groupd/groups |
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| 15:11.09 | developer | could you pastebin a correct config for me |
| 15:11.59 | themill | developer: it should look like http://paste.debian.net/66003/ |
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| 15:12.38 | themill | (you can leave all the ipv6 stuff after that, that's just the first few lines that you edited) |
| 15:13.26 | developer | what about hostname and mailname, are they related with whats configured in hosts? |
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| 15:14.14 | themill | they are presumably right, as long as they are consistent with /etc/hosts |
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| 15:18.30 | developer | could you paste.debian them too? |
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| 15:35.54 | al23 | Hi! How should I upgrade lenny to squeeze? I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list and tried update and upgrade. But I got an error message regarding the update of udev: "Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED. feature is disabled in the running kernel." |
| 15:36.25 | chops1 | !tell al23 about udev squeeze |
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| 15:37.25 | Titan8990 | al23: the answer is: you shouldn't |
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| 15:38.02 | chops1 | Titan8990: Just stay with lenny until the computer breaks? :-) |
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| 15:38.31 | Titan8990 | why is it going to break? |
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| 15:39.05 | Titan8990 | and upgrading for testing is to prevent it from breaking? |
| 15:39.13 | Dominicus | Am I correct in that if I want to enable Debian to ask as a WINS client (to honor machine names such as "ce101computer15"), that I need to configure Samba for that? |
| 15:39.20 | chops1 | Titan8990: No, I mean until the hardware breaks |
| 15:39.22 | Dominicus | *act as |
| 15:40.00 | chops1 | Titan8990: He's going to have to upgrade to squeeze and deal with this at some point is what I'm saying. |
| 15:40.13 | al23 | Titan8990: upgrading for testing seems to be OK for a home PC. |
| 15:40.29 | Titan8990 | chops1: uhh, when squeeze is marked stable the upgrade will actually be planned with detailed instructions |
| 15:40.41 | Titan8990 | chops1: such as what is in the lenny changelog for etch->lenny |
| 15:40.44 | cantido | al23: upgrading to testing is ok if you know how to fix stuff yourself |
| 15:40.50 | Titan8990 | al23: sure it is.... |
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| 15:41.55 | chops1 | Titan8990: Better remove that factoid, then -- people might find out how to upgrade to squeeze, which apparently upsets you |
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| 15:43.09 | themill | chops1: if people can't read and act on the error message that udev's preinst prints out, then they perhaps shouldn't be upgrading to squeeze. |
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| 15:46.38 | al23 | cantido: OK, I can leave this channel. |
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| 15:50.36 | jimcooncat | I'm trying to remember how to delete weird files from samba shares: rm 1299-07/*es. |
| 15:50.40 | jimcooncat | rm: cannot remove `1299-07/SUNSET REVIEW - LICENSING CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL MIDWIVES.doc': No such file or directory |
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| 15:51.01 | jimcooncat | I meant: rm 1299-07/* |
| 15:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | jimcooncat: mc |
| 15:52.58 | jimcooncat | jhutchins_lt: wow, haven't used that in a long time |
| 15:53.25 | DogBoy | heh, i use mc all the time |
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| 15:53.38 | jimcooncat | mc gives same error :-( |
| 15:53.44 | developer | I have reconfigured my etc/hosts etc/mailname etc/hostname |
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| 15:54.27 | developer | should I run a command so that kernel reads them or does it happen automatic |
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| 15:55.56 | cahoot | jimcooncat: just curious, rm 1299<tab><tab> makes no difference? |
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| 15:56.32 | jimcooncat | cahoot: no |
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| 15:57.26 | jimcooncat | I knew the solution a while back, too. |
| 15:57.35 | Titan8990 | rm 1299-07/SUNSET\ REVIEW\ \-\ LICENSING\ CERTIFIED\ PROFESSIONAL\ MIDWIVES.doc |
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| 15:59.55 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: fail! |
| 16:00.18 | jimcooncat | maybe it's a glitch |
| 16:00.30 | jimcooncat | and nothing we're doing wrong |
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| 16:02.28 | rvsjoen | umm.. there's a directory separator in there |
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| 16:03.27 | rvsjoen | is it supposed to be in a subdirectory ? |
| 16:03.54 | jimcooncat | yes, I'll try cding to it and using Titan's line |
| 16:04.41 | themill | jimcooncat: using tab completion might help to make sure there are no funny characters being missed out. Or use some other utility like "mc" for similar reasons. |
| 16:04.44 | rvsjoen | anyway, rm SUNSET\ REVIEW\ -\ LICENSING\ CERTIFIED\ PROFESSIONAL\ MIDWIVES.doc, should be fine |
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| 16:05.29 | jimcooncat | still a nogo. it's funny. I'll wait until my coworker leaves for lunch and remove the file. |
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| 16:12.50 | billy_jone | where did the name debian come from |
| 16:12.52 | billy_jone | ? |
| 16:13.17 | jimcooncat | deb and ian |
| 16:13.49 | zail | Deborah + Ian |
| 16:13.53 | musca | deborah and Ian |
| 16:14.27 | billy_jone | where Did Deborah and Ian come from |
| 16:14.29 | billy_jone | ? |
| 16:14.38 | tabris|away | cofounders of the project |
| 16:14.45 | billy_jone | o |
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| 16:14.55 | aaronorosen2 | Hello, I have installed the vserver kernel and it does not support my e1000 network card. Do i need to some how download that kernel source and compile that module in. How do i get the source code for that kernel does it live in apt some where? |
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| 16:16.06 | rvsjoen | it doesn't ? |
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| 16:16.21 | \amethyst | err, Debra not Deborah, and she wasn't AFAIK involved in creating Debian |
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| 16:16.28 | rvsjoen | aaronorosen2: grep E1000 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 16:17.18 | aaronorosen2 | rvsjoen: CONFIG_E1000=m CONFIG_E1000E=m |
| 16:17.35 | rvsjoen | so it's fine |
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| 16:18.01 | aaronorosen2 | rvsjoen: Oh sorry i'm not using the right kernel let me reboot to it. |
| 16:18.08 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 16:18.10 | jelly | aaronorosen2: what's the pci id of you card? use lspci -nn |
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| 16:18.29 | rvsjoen | if it's the same box, you can just find the right config file in /boot |
| 16:18.36 | rvsjoen | no need to reboot |
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| 16:19.10 | aaronorosen2 | rvsjoen: one sec already rebooted |
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| 16:20.53 | aaronorosen2 | rvsjoen: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:163b] (rev 20) |
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| 16:21.17 | Titan8990 | judd: pciid 14e4:163b |
| 16:21.19 | judd | [14e4:163b] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'bnx2' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:163b |
| 16:21.29 | rvsjoen | oh, that's not even e1000 |
| 16:21.30 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: e1000 is not what your looking for |
| 16:21.47 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: should i look at that judd link? |
| 16:22.12 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: you can... but the point is you need the backports kernel, which may not have a vserver version |
| 16:22.13 | cantido | backported kernel would fix that wouldn't it? |
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| 16:22.34 | umendor | hy |
| 16:22.59 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: hmm any recommendation here? |
| 16:23.08 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: yes, install the vserver kernel from backports |
| 16:23.17 | Titan8990 | which I just checked on and it exists |
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| 16:23.31 | cantido | aaronorosen2: vserver is on its way out IIRC |
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| 16:23.45 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: where is back ports is that not from apt-get? |
| 16:23.51 | cantido | aaronorosen2: I think there was talk of removing it after squeeze.. |
| 16:23.55 | Titan8990 | cantido: it should have been dead long ago |
| 16:23.59 | Titan8990 | !bpo |
| 16:23.59 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 16:24.19 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: you should use aptitude |
| 16:24.21 | umendor | you are not using a t-ispCP ?? |
| 16:24.49 | cantido | Titan8990: it was useful.. but lxc is getting pretty good |
| 16:24.53 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: should i remove the kernel vserver kernel i installed before? |
| 16:25.14 | cantido | aaronorosen2: you shouldnt need to |
| 16:25.27 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: not until after you have verified the new one boots and works properly |
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| 16:25.51 | Titan8990 | cantido: its mostly just useful for cheapo VPS's imo |
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| 16:26.13 | cantido | Titan8990: its good for containing messy stuff too |
| 16:26.38 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: ok i've added alll that back ports stuff to /etc/apt. aptitude -t lenny-backports install vserver ? |
| 16:27.10 | innociv | what does "ADD to main.cf by using postconf." mean? I shouldn't just edit main.cf? |
| 16:27.21 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 |
| 16:27.47 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: what if i want the 64bit one? |
| 16:27.50 | aaronorosen2 | the amd64 one |
| 16:28.04 | Titan8990 | innociv: typically not when there is a cli tool that edits the config because hand-edits could conflict with the tool |
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| 16:28.13 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: then replace 686 with amd64 |
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| 16:29.19 | braunkraut | not necessarily debian related, but can I use iptables to destination nat ipv4 to ipv6? |
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| 16:30.58 | rvsjoen | well, the ipv4 address space is mapped onto ipv6 addresses, but I have never considered whether or not ip6tables can handle it in that manner |
| 16:31.08 | ustunozgur | is there anyone familiar with cuda installation on debian? I have installed the libcuda packages. Do I need to recompile the nvidia module? Are the libcuda packages the same as the Developer Drivers package on the cuda website? |
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| 16:31.49 | cantido | ustunozgur: you install libcuda and thats about it |
| 16:31.53 | Dani_ | Hi. Is there a command to change a 'users' information, like the information that gets asked when you 'adduser <name'? |
| 16:31.55 | Dani_ | Full name etc? |
| 16:31.56 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: openvz is the same thing as vserver |
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| 16:32.14 | ustunozgur | cantido, what about the toolkit? Isn't it packaged? |
| 16:32.19 | red_eyes | What is the iceweasel browser path? Thank you |
| 16:32.21 | rvsjoen | dani_: man chfn |
| 16:32.23 | xsappyx | Dani_: usermod |
| 16:32.33 | Dani_ | man chfn? |
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| 16:32.49 | ustunozgur | specifically I'm trying to run gpumat, and it complains about libcudablass not being available. |
| 16:32.57 | ustunozgur | it's probably in the toolkit |
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| 16:33.01 | rvsjoen | dani_: yes. type it in your terminal |
| 16:33.01 | ustunozgur | right? |
| 16:33.22 | innociv | "[smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com]:587 username@sbcglobal.net:mypassword" shouldn't i change that mypassword to something else? It doesn't say to on http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix but i'd think to.. |
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| 16:33.52 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: that didn't fix it. When i booted the new kernel and ran ifconfig -a it didn't see any of the interfaces |
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| 16:34.04 | Dani_ | rvsjoen: /etc/passwd has "dan:x:1000:100:Dan,,,:/home/dan:/bin/bash" |
| 16:34.10 | Dani_ | rvsjoen: what field is the ,,, for? |
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| 16:34.36 | cantido | ustunozgur: I think the tools are in there... there isnt anything in debian that uses it yet though from what I remember |
| 16:34.44 | rvsjoen | dani_: it's the comments field, usermod can modify it as a whole, but chfn does it by argument |
| 16:34.45 | cantido | ustunozgur: are you running testing/unstable? |
| 16:34.50 | ustunozgur | yes, unstable |
| 16:34.59 | openstandards | hi all I'm having trouble with a pound config of mine, does anyone have an experience dealing with this reverse proxy? |
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| 16:35.34 | Dani_ | rvsjoen: how comes root doesnt have ,,, or any other users? root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 16:36.04 | cantido | ustunozgur: from what I can see there is libcuda and libcuda-dev.. I don't think the rest of the nvidia tools are in there yet |
| 16:36.38 | ustunozgur | cantido, ok, thanks, I will try installing the packages on the nvidia website. |
| 16:36.47 | Titan8990 | Dani_: that is the text or commend field. Next time you add a user, fill in the fullname information or use the -c option in useradd to see how it works |
| 16:36.53 | rvsjoen | dani_: it's just a text field, it can contain anything you want, root generally doesn't have GECOS information |
| 16:36.55 | Titan8990 | s/commend/comment |
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| 16:37.04 | cantido | ustunozgur: for vdpau you need to install the driver too. But it don't think thats the case with cuda |
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| 16:37.08 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: did you get my message? |
| 16:37.11 | Dani_ | so can we clear the ,,, safetly? |
| 16:37.20 | rvsjoen | dani_: why would you want to |
| 16:37.21 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: does the module exist? |
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| 16:37.27 | Dani_ | rvsjoen: what's the point in ,,,? |
| 16:37.33 | rvsjoen | maybe if you explain what it is you really want it would be easier |
| 16:37.40 | \amethyst | Dani_: separates sub-fields of the GECOS field |
| 16:37.52 | Dani_ | yes. but no one else has ,,, |
| 16:37.57 | Dani_ | so it cant be needed |
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| 16:38.11 | xsappyx | openstandards: better to just ask the question |
| 16:38.13 | \amethyst | Dani_: right, it can be removed |
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| 16:38.28 | \amethyst | Dani_: it's used to separate e.g. the user's name from their phone number etc |
| 16:38.30 | Dani_ | how? |
| 16:38.31 | aaronorosen2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.43 | sander | Anyone know which debian package the apache modules mod_dav / mod_dir is inside?, I want to fetch the source code for them. |
| 16:38.47 | Dani_ | well this user just has a name, so ,,, is not needed |
| 16:39.13 | \amethyst | Dani_: with vipw and your favourite text editor? |
| 16:39.21 | openstandards | xsappyx, where can the logs for pound located? |
| 16:40.07 | \amethyst | Dani_: adduser --gecos "Real Name Here" will probably create the field without commas, but I haven't tested |
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| 16:40.24 | aburch | sander: apt-file search mod_dav.so → apache2.2-bin |
| 16:40.28 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: yes |
| 16:40.29 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: it has the bnx2 module. |
| 16:40.46 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: modprobe it and check ifconfig -a again |
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| 16:40.51 | xsappyx | openstandards: i have a /var/log/pound, nothing explicit in the pound.cfg |
| 16:40.54 | aaronorosen2 | I just ran modprobe bnx2 and then ifconfig eth0 up and it still didn't see that interface. |
| 16:41.07 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: anything in dmesg? |
| 16:41.33 | sander | aburch, thanks!.. I actually forgot to do: apt-file update .. . |
| 16:42.26 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: Not that i see should i grep for anything in particular. |
| 16:42.58 | openstandards | xsappyx, http://pastebin.com/YiqJMLWt thats my pastebin |
| 16:42.58 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: just pastebin the output |
| 16:43.12 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: one sec |
| 16:43.18 | openstandards | can't see why its failing to load |
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| 16:43.56 | openstandards | xsappyx, i've got a couple of openvz containers and trying to use pound to forward via hostname |
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| 16:45.15 | openstandards | i don't even have a pound log |
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| 16:45.27 | openstandards | brb need to pop out to the shops |
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| 16:46.03 | chops1 | Does anyone know how I would set a variable with wildcard expansion? I'm trying to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH using wildcards, but the * and things make it into the variable instead of being expanded, and then LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't actually function (though confusingly enough it looks right if you echo it :-) |
| 16:46.23 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/FjSk1P2x |
| 16:46.39 | xsappyx | openstandards: ah, it uses syslog only to log it seems.. by default, it will probably log to /var/log/messages or daemon.. you could set up a syslog filter if you want to cut to a specific file |
| 16:46.41 | Titan8990 | chops1: "$*" maybe? |
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| 16:47.00 | Titan8990 | chops1: I am not sure you can do paramater expansion in a variable like that |
| 16:47.16 | chops1 | Titan8990: Er, no... I want the opposite of that. I _want_ things to be expanded, not to protect them from same. |
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| 16:47.42 | chops1 | Titan8990: You can; it'll just get expanded when the variable is substituted and not when it's set |
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| 16:48.04 | babilen | chops1: http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~uwe/lehre/unixffb/quoting-guide.html#para:sh-dollar-var-plus |
| 16:48.06 | chops1 | I mean, I could write a temporary script and then source it to set the variable... but that seems retarded. |
| 16:48.22 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: is that dmesg output or /var/log/dmesg? |
| 16:49.17 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: that is the output when i run dmesg |
| 16:49.20 | Sylphid|work | Is it possible to install packages by matching the package tags? |
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| 16:49.49 | xxrobixx | buonasera |
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| 16:50.18 | xxrobixx | raga vi posso esporre il mio problema |
| 16:50.24 | babilen | !it |
| 16:50.24 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:50.34 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: look at the top of that dmesg. your running the same .26 kernel and not the one from backports |
| 16:50.36 | babilen | xxrobixx: Or speak English in here :) |
| 16:50.45 | Am1ne | hello |
| 16:50.59 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: Linux version 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 |
| 16:51.14 | Am1ne | where can I find php extensions ? |
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| 16:51.43 | xsappyx | openstandards: http://pastebin.com/vivhHZNT |
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| 16:52.28 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: This is what i ran aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-openvz-amd64 |
| 16:52.31 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: if that meta package did not pull down linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 like it should have, install it manually |
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| 16:53.06 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: From where? (sorry) |
| 16:53.06 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: sorry, that one is wrong: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 |
| 16:53.34 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: so aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 |
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| 16:54.05 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: yes, and check /boot/grub/menu.lst to ensure that menu.lst got updated with the new kernel before rebooting |
| 16:54.12 | aaronorosen2 | kk |
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| 16:55.56 | aaronorosen2 | Titan8990: Thanks it works! |
| 16:56.28 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen2: nice, np :) |
| 16:56.34 | innociv | well it seems my postfix MTA isn't sending out mail from the mail() fucntion in php.. not sure where I should start to figure this out. |
| 16:57.01 | Titan8990 | innociv: does it work using the command "mail"? |
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| 17:00.24 | Bombo | is there a X config tool in debian? that generates a xorg.conf with correct keyboard settings etc? |
| 17:00.39 | JPT | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg usually |
| 17:01.25 | Bombo | JPT: doesnt do anything |
| 17:01.46 | Bombo | no errors, no /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:01.53 | JPT | mh |
| 17:01.55 | jelly | !xorg config lenny |
| 17:01.56 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 17:02.05 | jelly | Bombo: which debian release? |
| 17:02.17 | Bombo | !xorg config sid |
| 17:02.22 | jelly | Bombo: which debian release? |
| 17:02.29 | Bombo | jelly: sid. |
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| 17:02.46 | Titan8990 | yay! sid support! |
| 17:02.47 | jelly | Bombo: why are you running sid? |
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| 17:03.19 | dkr | doesn't xorg config most peripherals automagically nowadays so you actually don't need an xorg.conf file? |
| 17:03.34 | jelly | Bombo: there's a "/msg dpkg xorg config squeeze", but that's in process of changing, again |
| 17:03.46 | chops1 | So with http://pastebin.com/Y6D8vCdH I get "No rule to make target `configFomMap.o'" even though to me it seems it should be covered by the .cxx.o: line. No? |
| 17:04.03 | jelly | Bombo: read the topic in #debian-x on irc.oftc.net and the links therein |
| 17:04.15 | Bombo | jelly: because i want to try it out ;) |
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| 17:04.23 | Kipples | Hi all maybe some one can help me? I have instaled debian but it not starting caps lock and scroll lock are always burning |
| 17:04.24 | Bombo | jelly: hmkay |
| 17:04.51 | \amethyst | chops1: and configFomMap.cxx actually exists? |
| 17:05.02 | chops1 | \amethyst: It does |
| 17:05.08 | Bombo | dkr: well is runs without one, but i dont have german keyboard layout |
| 17:05.08 | jelly | Bombo: sid is supposed to be used to help with developing Debian and fixing bugs |
| 17:05.11 | \amethyst | chops1: in the correct directory? |
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| 17:05.31 | chops1 | \amethyst: In the same directory as that makefile is in |
| 17:05.34 | widmo | .a 10 |
| 17:05.50 | widmo | sorry, wrong window |
| 17:05.57 | jelly | Bombo: use somthing like "setxkbmap de" to set it once, then investigate proper ways |
| 17:06.04 | Bombo | jelly: someone told me to use sid, because it has more recent software versions |
| 17:06.08 | jelly | !sns |
| 17:06.09 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 17:06.13 | dkr | Bombo: someone is an idiot |
| 17:06.20 | \amethyst | chops1: ah, your indentation is wrong |
| 17:06.30 | \amethyst | chops1: lines 16 and 19 are indented with spaces, should be a tab |
| 17:06.42 | jelly | Bombo: they are not very clueful, sid is often (some say perpetually) broken |
| 17:06.52 | chops1 | \amethyst: That's just the paste -- in the actual makefile they seem to be tabs |
| 17:06.55 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know how to properly change a working disk from a raid-5 array? |
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| 17:07.06 | dkr | Bombo: they should have said squeeze, a.k.a. testing sid/unstable is for experienced debian folks |
| 17:07.18 | jelly | JyZyXEL: hardware or software raid? |
| 17:07.24 | JyZyXEL | software mdadm |
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| 17:07.26 | \amethyst | chops1: are you sure? when I selected Download I got a file with a tab on line 13, but spaces on lines 16 and 19 |
| 17:07.31 | \amethyst | chops1: use cat -A to verify |
| 17:07.51 | chops1 | \amethyst: I'm editing in in emacs, and when I use my arrow keys it jumps back and forth between column 0 and column 7 |
| 17:07.52 | jelly | JyZyXEL: does your hardware (enclosure and controller) support hotplugging? |
| 17:08.00 | JyZyXEL | yes it does |
| 17:08.04 | Bombo | dkr: its squeeze/sid |
| 17:08.13 | chops1 | \amethyst: I just copy-pasted it from a putty+emacs session into the pastebin is why it's busted in the pastebin |
| 17:08.27 | \amethyst | chops1: ah |
| 17:08.47 | chops1 | \amethyst: Yes, and cat -A shows the right thing :-) |
| 17:08.50 | jelly | JyZyXEL: well then, you fail it with mdadm, you remove it with mdadm, you echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete to make it spin down, then unplug it |
| 17:09.13 | JyZyXEL | jelly: and at that point the raid-5 is gonna be running in degraded mode |
| 17:09.29 | JyZyXEL | and im gonna be vulnerable to data loss while its rebuilding |
| 17:09.36 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's going to be running in degraded mode when you fail it, yes |
| 17:09.45 | dkr | Bombo: ah, that /etc/debian_version is a little misleading with "/sid" in there. that means you are indeed running squeeze a.k.a. testing (you can confirm that by looking at your /etc/apt/sources.list which says which release you are downloading packages for |
| 17:10.06 | jelly | JyZyXEL: this is where hotspare disks come into play |
| 17:10.29 | JyZyXEL | wouldn't it be wiser to just offline the array and dd the disk i wanna change to another disk |
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| 17:10.48 | JyZyXEL | then i can start the array with the new disk |
| 17:11.00 | Bombo | dkr: i added sid there ;) so is it sid? |
| 17:11.21 | Bombo | testing would also display squeeze/sid? |
| 17:11.27 | amphi | yes |
| 17:11.28 | dkr | Bombo: yep |
| 17:11.34 | JyZyXEL | that way i don't have such a high dataloss risk |
| 17:11.36 | chops1 | Now http://pastebin.com/yNpudK70 works (until it gets to the next object)... very strange |
| 17:11.41 | jelly | JyZyXEL: if you can afford downtime, why not |
| 17:11.50 | \amethyst | chops1: .SUFFIXES: .cxx |
| 17:12.16 | jelly | JyZyXEL: there's always a data loss risk. RAID doesn't protect against data loss, that's what backups are for. |
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| 17:12.23 | lewis22 | I'm on squeeze/testing and trying to install courier-authlib-mysql. It has a dependency on libmysqlclient15off, which is a bug, and was fixed in the latest version (0.63 I believe). What's the best workaround, to download the .deb and manually install it? |
| 17:12.42 | Bombo | so i better change it to testing? and do aptitude full-upgrade for a downgrade? ;) |
| 17:13.18 | JyZyXEL | running in degraded mode hugely increases the risk still |
| 17:13.22 | dkr | I guess the debian_version file is really for tracking versions, not releases (differentiatiing between testing and sid) |
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| 17:13.36 | JyZyXEL | compared to clean active sync |
| 17:13.54 | dkr | Bombo: I think it would be wise to not use sid if you are new to debian. I'm not sure about downgrade process though |
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| 17:14.07 | JyZyXEL | one other idea i had was to temporarily grow the raid to the new disk and then shrink it down again |
| 17:14.18 | JyZyXEL | and then remove the extra device |
| 17:14.20 | chops1 | \amethyst: Ah, there we go. Thanks mate! |
| 17:14.23 | JyZyXEL | but im not sure if thats even possible |
| 17:14.57 | amphi | Bombo: you could just remove references to sid in sources.list, and over time you should revert to testing |
| 17:15.37 | Bombo | dkr: well not too new, using stable since it was woody, but still i dont understand everything... |
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| 17:15.48 | adam | i have some init lsb scripts that are failing in heartbeat with a return code 1. |
| 17:15.51 | Bombo | amphi: hmkay |
| 17:16.08 | adam | they work fine standalone |
| 17:16.17 | amphi | Bombo: as packages move from sid into testing |
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| 17:23.16 | Sylphid|work | Is it possible to install packages by matching the package tags? |
| 17:23.52 | dkr | Sylphid|work: sure, aptitude has lots of nifty options for that |
| 17:23.58 | ga_bash | Hi, I am trying to write cdrom using dd but I am getting read-only filesystem. |
| 17:24.16 | dkr | Sylphid|work: notin the man page, though, you have to read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/something |
| 17:24.22 | Titan8990 | Sylphid|work: aptitude install ~prequired is a good example |
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| 17:24.33 | \amethyst | ga_bash: you need to use a program like wodim/cdrecord to write to a CDR |
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| 17:24.56 | ga_bash | \amethyst, thanks but why whats wrong with dd? |
| 17:25.12 | dkr | ah p for priority, I only remember ~d since I use it to search descriptions occasionally |
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| 17:25.33 | \amethyst | ga_bash: because, unlike a hard disk, you can't just write to a random point on a CD-R |
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| 17:25.47 | lewis22 | how should I get around http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/courier-authlib-mysql whereby a package is not available for one of the dependencies. This bug was fixed in the sid version... |
| 17:25.53 | ga_bash | \amethyst, but I am writing an iso image |
| 17:26.04 | \amethyst | ga_bash: you have to create a session, put the data into that session, and (possibly) finalize the session |
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| 17:27.08 | openstandards | xsappyx, i've found my problem apache is binding to the port already |
| 17:27.39 | openstandards | thanks for the help |
| 17:28.19 | Titan8990 | ga_bash: wodim dev=/dev/cdrom foobar.iso; easy |
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| 17:28.58 | fabio333 | also brasero is easy to use |
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| 17:30.10 | ga_bash | Titan8990, thanks. |
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| 17:34.46 | karlpinc | I'm looking at getting a 2TB drive and see things like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145276&cm_re=hitachi_2tb-_-22-145-276-_-Product Which basically says the drive works fine with 2 controllers, works at reduced speed with another, and does not work at all with a 4th. Do I need to worry about behavior like this with Linux? Is it really a controller issue or is it a driver issue? How should I be choosing a hard drive? |
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| 17:38.00 | manixor | I have an incorporated web cam, with microphone. My web cam it's working, I test it with Skype and with cheese, but my microphone not. I try to test it with Sound Recorder, and nothing. On my alsa mixer, all columns are on top, I need to set something else, to make my microphone working? |
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| 17:38.48 | emerica | karl , using 25 of those drive in one deb box right now |
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| 17:39.04 | emerica | 24 on a areca 1280ml |
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| 17:39.32 | aCiD2 | Hey, trying to install nvidia modules, and following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Method4 -- I'm getting this error http://gist.github.com/345158 -- any ideas? |
| 17:40.12 | emerica | areca card needed a firmware update to playwell, but didnt have problems otherwise |
| 17:40.43 | emerica | /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 2550 MB in 3.00 seconds = 849.81 MB/sec |
| 17:40.52 | karlpinc | emerica: Thanks. That's good news. |
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| 17:42.02 | karlpinc | emerica: It does sound like there are, or can be, problems related to controller hardware (in which I include manufacturer supplied firmware). |
| 17:42.25 | karlpinc | emerica: I suppose I should figure out what controller I've got. (Right now the box won't boot.) |
| 17:43.29 | emerica | well im using a msi big bang trinergy, with an i7 and the areca 1280ml for raid |
| 17:43.53 | emerica | if that helps you out, there are two chipset for sata on bigbang, not using the intel raid side |
| 17:44.04 | emerica | so might be jmircon |
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| 17:45.32 | emerica | jmb363 |
| 17:46.02 | emerica | actually, sorry, im not using the jmicron side, using intel p55 accoring to the manual |
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| 17:53.37 | karlpinc | emerica: Look in the manual. What a concept. I think I'll try it. ;) |
| 17:53.43 | emerica | karlpinc: fw listed as 28A |
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| 17:57.56 | karlpinc | emerica: Asus p5kc. The manual just seems to say "southbridge", and the other sata ports are Jmicron jmb363. |
| 17:58.09 | karlpinc | emerica: Must be intel something. |
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| 18:08.31 | TylerE | Is there any easy way to block installation/upgrading to PHP >= 5.3? |
| 18:08.53 | TylerE | I'm getting really tired of manually specifying versions whenever I install php stuff |
| 18:09.10 | Titan8990 | don't use squeeze |
| 18:09.12 | Titan8990 | !hold |
| 18:09.12 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
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| 18:19.48 | mrbnet | Anyone know of any linux based open source email achieving applications outside of MailArchiva? |
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| 18:21.15 | adb | !as |
| 18:21.15 | dpkg | as is probably autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself ;) |
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| 18:23.33 | Titan8990 | !as =~ s/;)/. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)/ |
| 18:23.33 | dpkg | Titan8990: OK |
| 18:23.36 | Titan8990 | !as |
| 18:23.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself . Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
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| 18:28.25 | icebrain | should I report graphics corruption with KMS and the radeon driver, or is it expected? |
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| 18:29.39 | Rapsodius | I want to get my scanner working, I remember last time I simply cp'ed a file from the scanner cd into 'dont-know-where' and it worked, but i want to know where to copy the file |
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| 18:30.00 | Rapsodius | its a Mustek 1200 and I'm using sane |
| 18:31.40 | innociv | maybe "smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU)" is set wrong? and i'm having trouble figuring out the "mail" command ;| |
| 18:31.57 | innociv | and whne i type "mail" i get a lsit of a bunch of mailerdeamon messages from exim4. How do I delete those? |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | innociv: I'd suggest you try mutt instead of mail, if you want to read mail in a terminal |
| 18:32.31 | innociv | no i want to send one.. |
| 18:32.34 | greycat | the traditional mail command is somewhat old fashioned |
| 18:32.36 | innociv | i'm tring ot have mail() work with php |
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| 18:32.44 | greycat | if you're sending one, you should pipe the body to mail on stdin |
| 18:32.54 | greycat | like, mail joe@some.domain < my.txt |
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| 18:33.15 | innociv | can i use a string or something instead of needing a text file? |
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| 18:33.34 | hyperactivething | is there a way to make the padevchooser icon transparent? As I understand it, it uses the stock 24x24 "line-in" icon, which is transparent |
| 18:33.38 | greycat | echo "some string" | mail joe@some.domain |
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| 18:33.53 | gyyrog | I am trying to run "apt-get install nasm" and debian tells me it is not available |
| 18:34.07 | gyyrog | I cant apt-get xchat either |
| 18:34.08 | innociv | i did "mail emailadr", it asks for subject, i enter one, the nit hangs.. |
| 18:34.15 | gyyrog | is something wrong with ym apt-get setup? |
| 18:34.40 | greycat | innociv: if you're doing it in interactive mode it's probably waiting for you to type the body of the message, and then to press Ctrl-D on a line by itself |
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| 18:34.41 | Titan8990 | gyyrog: pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:34.45 | greycat | innociv: or possibly to type . on a line by itself |
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| 18:34.56 | greycat | innociv: nobody uses mail(1) in interactive mode if they can help it |
| 18:35.07 | Titan8990 | greycat: my boss does |
| 18:35.16 | greycat | Ok, nobody except Titan8990's boss. |
| 18:35.41 | innociv | I did that. Not receiving the email to where i sent it |
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| 18:36.20 | hyperactivething | on debian squeeze, uzbl has no icon O.o does anyone else experience this? |
| 18:36.37 | greycat | innociv: then it's possible that your MTA (exim4, postfix, etc.) is not configured properly |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | innociv: look for exim4's logs somewhere under /var/log |
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| 18:37.13 | gyyrog | http://pastebin.org/124981 |
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| 18:38.36 | innociv | postfix is what i'm using. |
| 18:38.37 | Kipples | :( |
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| 18:39.17 | wols | innociv: mail.log |
| 18:39.34 | greycat | check postfix's logs to see if (a) it received the message from the mail(1) command, and (b) whether it made the delivery attempt, and if so, what went wrong |
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| 18:39.41 | innociv | "warning: SASL authentication failure: No worthy mechs found |
| 18:39.41 | innociv | " tings like that |
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| 18:40.00 | greycat | are you trying to use a smart host (relay) that requires authentication? |
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| 18:40.36 | innociv | .. I have no idea. |
| 18:40.57 | innociv | I was following http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 18:41.14 | greycat | are you using a smart host (relay) at all? |
| 18:41.30 | greycat | or were you trying to send directly from your Debian system to the final recipient? |
| 18:42.30 | innociv | i think i'm trying to do the later. I think in the config I didn't do the smarthost one, but internet mail, smtp |
| 18:42.40 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/s6p5sREk |
| 18:42.53 | greycat | I don't understand why you would have a SASL message from a destination smtpd, rather than from a relay. |
| 18:43.26 | wols | he is using smtp-auth. relay=smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com[68.142.198.11 |
| 18:43.35 | innociv | yeah as per the postfix docs.. |
| 18:43.47 | wols | so you are using a smarthost |
| 18:43.55 | wols | and what is this mail@domain.com thing? |
| 18:44.02 | innociv | oh wait. |
| 18:44.27 | innociv | I guess I didn't need that unless i'm trying to send through them? I thought I needed that to deliver mail to addresses there. :/ |
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| 18:45.03 | innociv | My domain? I edited them out. |
| 18:45.12 | wols | you edited what out? |
| 18:45.52 | greycat | He obfuscated the logs. |
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| 18:46.04 | innociv | That |
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| 18:46.33 | gyyrog | Titan: any advice? |
| 18:47.33 | gyyrog | can anyone help me figure out why apt-get is not working properly? |
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| 18:47.47 | innociv | is there a command to start the postfix config over? |
| 18:47.49 | greycat | did you forget to run "apt-get update" first? |
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| 18:48.21 | jelly-home | obfuscated and cut out useful lines, even |
| 18:48.29 | gyyrog | I did run apt-get update |
| 18:48.41 | greycat | jelly-home: eternal Sunday |
| 18:48.58 | jelly-home | greycat: #postfix has a nice !mung factoid |
| 18:49.21 | greycat | I've never used postfix, so I don't know much about it |
| 18:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | gyyrog: You only have security and volitile enabled, no source for normal packages. |
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| 18:52.38 | innociv | what.. removing postfix required me to install xmail? |
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| 18:52.57 | wols | innociv: recommends are evil |
| 18:53.05 | wols | what did you install instead of postfix? |
| 18:53.24 | jelly-home | innociv: one of your packages either depends or recommends a mail server (MTA) |
| 18:53.27 | innociv | xmail it recommended.. |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | would've been wiser to do something like "dpkg --purge --force-depends postfix; dpkg -i postfix*.deb" |
| 18:53.37 | wols | !tell gyyrog about errors |
| 18:53.41 | greycat | assuming postfix is a single package |
| 18:53.54 | innociv | " bsd-mailx: Depends: exim4 but it is not installable or mail-transport-agent which is a virtual package." |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | stabs Debian for making things that ought to be one package into multiple packages |
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| 18:54.14 | jelly-home | there's no -common, thankfully, but there are extra-features in separate postfix-foo\ |
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| 18:54.34 | greycat | or -config |
| 18:54.48 | jelly-home | exim4-config-config is one of my favorite commands! |
| 18:54.50 | greycat | 'cause god knows separating foo and foo-config is OH SO USEFUL and intuitive |
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| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | not |
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| 18:55.49 | jelly-home | it saves 100kB * (num arches - 1) space on mirrors |
| 18:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | gyyrog: Got it fixed? |
| 18:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | gyyrog: BTW I usually comment out the source lines unless I need source for something - saves a little time on the updates. |
| 18:57.32 | innociv | seems it works now |
| 18:58.19 | rgr_ | saves time on the updates? Well it would. Thats really silly advice IMO. People need to know there are updates. Its why they add the lines to the sources.list. In addition you can configure cron or even synaptic to do it in the backrgound - you wont even notice any update time. |
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| 18:58.52 | rgr_ | if you were to build and not know the update code wa savilable you might be behind. |
| 18:58.54 | greycat | why would people need to know there are updates to the source code if they never download any source code? |
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| 18:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | rgr_: Why do I need to know there are updates to source packages? I assume they are current with the binary packages. If I need one, I enable the line and update. |
| 18:59.08 | rgr_ | greycat: obviously not if they never download it ;) |
| 18:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | rgr_: Generally I don't use source much in Debian. |
| 18:59.37 | greycat | if I use source in Debian, it's probably from testing or unstable |
| 18:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | rgr_: Working with wierd touchscreens in CentOS I used it a lot. |
| 18:59.45 | greycat | 'cause I'm probably doing my own backport |
| 18:59.56 | rgr_ | I rarely do - but it has to be said the facility to download it is rather spiffing. I was showing a colleague how it works the other day and he was blown away. |
| 19:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | So it cuts the package lists I have to download in half. |
| 19:00.13 | innociv | how do i empty my mailbox? |
| 19:00.23 | innociv | or.. how can i view them easier through ssh? |
| 19:00.24 | wols | innociv: depends where it is |
| 19:00.25 | greycat | I could imagine a situation where I might want to manually apply a small patch to stable source, but that would be a rather unlikely scenario. |
| 19:00.30 | wols | innociv: mutt |
| 19:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | rgr_: It's a pretty good system? |
| 19:00.34 | rgr_ | jhutchins_lt: but it just seems such a false economy - still all to their own. |
| 19:00.38 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: Install alpine. |
| 19:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | rgr_: Trivial, I'll admit. |
| 19:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | I guess I can assume that if he hasn't bothered to reply, he's fixed his problem. |
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| 19:01.49 | innociv | ty |
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| 19:02.38 | rgr_ | I want to sing the praises for debian testing today. My new laptop is now dual booting superbly. Barring a couple of minor hiccups the t60 runs debian squeeze like the proverbial sh*t off a shovel. All resolutions work, the xrandr applet works, ssh and wireless are flawless. if you are in the market for a debian laptop then look no further than a T60. got mine for 350 euro with 3 gigs of ram and a 256 gig sate drive. finger print scanner too for showing off. Buy |
| 19:03.11 | rgr_ | whistles smugly and cocks his hat at a jaunty angle ... |
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| 19:04.30 | surf_ | HI how do I update udev to the last version? |
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| 19:04.55 | rgr_ | do you mean downgrade to the previous version? |
| 19:05.01 | greycat | surf_: what's wrong with the version you have now? |
| 19:05.14 | surf_ | got 100% of both cpus all the time |
| 19:05.19 | surf_ | with any kernel I tried |
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| 19:05.43 | rgr_ | sounds like a config error rater than a version error or we would all have it. |
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| 19:07.08 | surf_ | yeah ubuntu 9.04 - 9.10 - deb 5 - deb 6 with different kernels all the same thing. If I use the network the udevd --daemon gets 100% of both cpus. I wanted to try the latest version and then maybe switch to BSD |
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| 19:07.22 | rgr_ | uh oh. YOu had better duck. |
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| 19:07.46 | rgr_ | switching to bsd sounds rather extreme. |
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| 19:07.59 | greycat | what did you do to Debian 5 to make it behave that way? |
| 19:08.26 | Kipples | some one can help me? |
| 19:08.30 | rgr_ | I guess if he knew he could fix it ;) |
| 19:08.36 | rgr_ | Kipples: just ask the Q |
| 19:08.43 | surf_ | guys I dunno what to do. I wanted to try KfreeBSD (debian) that doesn't have udev |
| 19:09.02 | Kipples | after instalation debian i can access console :/ |
| 19:09.24 | surf_ | I tried many times here on the but no ways... there should be some hardware incompatibilities |
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| 19:10.09 | Kipples | when i write startx only leds Caps Lock and Scroll Lock |
| 19:10.18 | Kipples | starts |
| 19:10.27 | surf_ | or if you have other ideas... |
| 19:10.50 | Kipples | i have tried install kde but same |
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| 19:11.09 | greycat | sounds like you need to configure your X server |
| 19:11.17 | greycat | !tell Kipples about xorg config lenny |
| 19:11.29 | Kipples | a am newbie |
| 19:11.39 | surf_ | greycat, nothing terrible. Just installed :/ |
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| 19:12.33 | greycat | you could check http://bugs.debian.org/udev to see if someone else has reported the issue |
| 19:12.42 | greycat | often you can find workarounds there |
| 19:13.13 | surf_ | I saw many launchpad entries ... but all unsolved |
| 19:13.26 | surf_ | what can you tell me about the bsd kernel? |
| 19:13.40 | Kipples | ok i will try now :) |
| 19:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: When was the last time you successfully searched bugzilla? |
| 19:15.08 | greycat | I don't know that I've ever really tried |
| 19:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Coming up with relevant results is like winning the lottery. |
| 19:15.43 | greycat | is http://bugs.debian.org/udev no longer a list of all the open and recently-closed bugs? /me waits for it to load.... |
| 19:16.05 | gyyrog | E: couldn't find package nasm |
| 19:16.10 | greycat | ,versions nasm |
| 19:16.12 | judd | nasm -- etch: 0.98.38-1.2; lenny: 2.03.01-1; sid: 2.07-1; squeeze: 2.07-1 |
| 19:16.25 | greycat | continues to wait |
| 19:16.35 | jhutchins_lt | It's something about bugzilla's search engine, it doesn't seem to rank consecutive word matches (a b c = a b c) or multiple matches (a b matches a b c) any higher rank. |
| 19:16.38 | gyyrog | what is that Judd? |
| 19:16.44 | gyyrog | i need nasm |
| 19:16.58 | greycat | gyyrog: nasm is available in Debian. |
| 19:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | gyyrog: Did you see my earlier post? |
| 19:17.24 | gyyrog | apt-get install nasm errors out with E: couldn't find package nasm |
| 19:17.33 | gyyrog | jhutchins, I got called away |
| 19:17.34 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: He only had volitile and security enabled, no standard source. |
| 19:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | !version nasm |
| 19:18.04 | jhutchins_lt | !versions nasm |
| 19:18.10 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: right, but surely he fixed that by now...? |
| 19:18.17 | jhutchins_lt | Feh. I'll learn the bot eventually. |
| 19:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Apparently not. |
| 19:18.28 | gyyrog | how do I get the normal sources loaded |
| 19:18.30 | gyyrog | ? |
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| 19:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. |
| 19:19.09 | Jeff91 | Anyone know how I would go about booting Debian arm on my cell phone? |
| 19:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | You have security, sorry. |
| 19:19.22 | greycat | there is a sample sources.list on http://wiki.debian.org/Etch2LennyUpgrade |
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| 19:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | gyyrog: you probably want contrib as well. |
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| 19:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | Love the feedback... |
| 19:23.32 | dutchfish | i just needed a 5 min break, before i had said something i would regret |
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| 19:24.42 | gyyrog | its working. Thanks! |
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| 19:28.39 | surf_ | can someone help me out with this crazy udevd --daemon going 100% cpu all the time? |
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| 19:36.55 | surf_ | I have the udevd --daemon runnning 100% every time I use the network. Any idea on how to fix this? |
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| 19:39.14 | salam | is there any program which support sending webcam in yahoo messenger |
| 19:39.22 | salam | in 64bit ? |
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| 19:41.30 | ivank | does anyone know how to get pulseaudio and flash to play sound at the same time? |
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| 19:43.35 | dvs | ivank: I imagine that they are both trying to use OSS sound. |
| 19:43.41 | greycat | easiest way to do that is to buy a chipset that supports multiple simultaneous audio output in hardware |
| 19:44.15 | greycat | if you need to do some sort of software multiplexing, you may have to ask #arts or whatever the channel is |
| 19:44.30 | greycat | err, I mean alsa |
| 19:44.46 | salam | does anybody know a program which support sending webcam in yahoo? |
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| 19:46.07 | ivank | dvs: both seem to be using alsa in fact |
| 19:46.33 | ivank | anyone know of a way to make flash use pulse? |
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| 19:47.02 | JyZyXEL | i think there were some hacks to try make flash use pulseaudio |
| 19:47.22 | crowbar | Is there a way to limit cpu usage? Somehow set the scheduler to not allow an single process to go above 49%? |
| 19:47.44 | greycat | no |
| 19:47.48 | Titan8990 | I believe there is an actual plugin.. atleast it shows an "adobe flash plugin" in the pulseaudio settings in my fedora box |
| 19:48.06 | greycat | you can tell the system to kill any process that consumes more than N seconds of total CPU, but you can't do "percent" |
| 19:48.35 | crowbar | greycat: yeah, I was looking at ulimit. I don't want to kill the user process. Just wanted to make sure it wouldn't make the system unresponsive. |
| 19:48.48 | greycat | use nice, then... best you're going to get |
| 19:49.02 | crowbar | hadn't thought of nice. Thanks. |
| 19:49.51 | ivank | Titan8990: there seems to be some code from 2 years ago, called libflashsupport, but i cant find it for debian amd64 |
| 19:50.37 | rgr_ | is there some sort of daemon which can be passed a process name or id and told to shutdown or suspend when that process terminates? |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | gods, I hope not |
| 19:51.11 | rgr_ | why would you hope not? |
| 19:51.15 | greycat | waiting on a PID would be a little bit less bad, but still not good. |
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| 19:51.33 | rgr_ | why not? Many apps suggest allowing them to finish ebfore allowing a shutdown. |
| 19:51.49 | greycat | Because you can't be sure, from a name, which process you really mean. |
| 19:51.53 | Baloe4567 | Can i ask a Testing question ? |
| 19:51.55 | rgr_ | in this case I want to go out but have a large rsync running. |
| 19:52.04 | greycat | And you can't even be sure, from a PID, that it's still the same process you meant when the PID was stored. |
| 19:52.15 | rgr_ | greycat: I can. But in that case, kif it makes it less inrusive for you, pid. |
| 19:52.20 | greycat | rgr_: rsync; shutdown |
| 19:52.51 | rgr_ | yes obviously I realise I can do that ;) but I was thinkging more along the lines of an already running "general case". |
| 19:52.56 | greycat | rgr_: I could launch vim and call it rsync in the argv[0] field. |
| 19:52.58 | rgr_ | I guess not. |
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| 19:53.18 | greycat | rgr_: ctrl-Z bg; wait; shutdown |
| 19:53.21 | rgr_ | greycat: I guess you could. But I wouldnt on my own laptop here in the sanctity of my own palace ... |
| 19:53.43 | rgr_ | My flying monkeys most now go to do my bidding .. cheers! |
| 19:53.51 | greycat | the only process that KNOWS for sure when the rsync finishes is its parent, the shell from which you launched it |
| 19:54.06 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement |
| 19:54.39 | rgr_ | or a polling loop with sleep which checks it. sure there might be a one in a billion chance of a pid being reused a few milliseconds later but its slim. |
| 19:54.46 | greycat | No, polling by name is risky. |
| 19:54.55 | greycat | Like I said before, both names and PIDs can be forged or recycled. |
| 19:54.57 | rgr_ | typing rm is risky. |
| 19:55.00 | rgr_ | a |
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| 19:55.13 | rgr_ | And as I said, not here on my laptop in my flat. |
| 19:55.21 | greycat | The "risk" in typing rm is all your own. The risk of parsing the output of ps or /proc is not controllable. |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | 15:53 greycat> rgr_: ctrl-Z bg; wait; shutdown |
| 19:55.35 | rgr_ | How do you figure that its not controllable? |
| 19:55.54 | greycat | I'm not going to explain it any more. I've already repeated things three times. |
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| 19:57.31 | rgr_ | you explained nothing that makes sense to my use case. But I appreciate your time nonetheless. I guess I'll use wait $PID. |
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| 20:29.53 | dutchfish | greycat: for what it is worth, you are absolutely right |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | I have this battle in #bash fairly often |
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| 20:50.53 | user15 | hi , when ever i tries to install some thing throw atp-get it give me error "Package xchat is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package xchat has no installation candidate'" |
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| 20:51.43 | dvs | user15: so you're /etc/apt/sources.list is wrong? |
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| 20:52.51 | user15 | dvs: its default , i didn't change anything in lst |
| 20:53.27 | dvs | user15: did you install from DVD? |
| 20:53.44 | user15 | no , installed from cd |
| 20:53.45 | user15 | cd 1 |
| 20:54.10 | dvs | user15: Then it's probably looking for the CD. Change it to install from the Internet |
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| 20:54.53 | lindi- | user15: cd 1 probably does not have xchat |
| 20:55.57 | user15 | http://pastebin.com/GUZ1e7mV , |
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| 20:56.32 | dvs | user15: yup, it's installing from the CD |
| 20:56.57 | user15 | what to change in that file ? |
| 20:57.19 | dvs | user15: comment out line 6 and add the following: |
| 20:58.27 | dvs | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 20:59.50 | user15 | ok |
| 20:59.57 | dvs | user15: aptitude update |
| 20:59.59 | dvs | as root |
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| 21:00.19 | user15 | ok |
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| 21:01.05 | dvs | user15: it should install now |
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| 21:02.20 | user15 | yeah , its working :) , thanks dvs :) |
| 21:02.30 | dvs | np |
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| 21:18.17 | mtx_init | does debian have firefox yet? |
| 21:18.25 | sdk | Is there a functional difference between emb_perl and php interpolation of html? |
| 21:18.26 | abrotman | it has iceweasel |
| 21:18.45 | mtx_init | ok |
| 21:18.57 | rudi_s | !tell mtx_init about why iceweasel |
| 21:19.01 | abrotman | mtx_init: |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | mtx_init: is there some reason iceweasel isn't good enough ? |
| 21:19.13 | mtx_init | I know what it is and its the reason I dont use debian |
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| 21:19.38 | sdk | err.. tangential, I know, but figured I'd ask.. anyway.. not s/of html/where html is concerned/g |
| 21:19.53 | babilen | mtx_init: really? |
| 21:20.13 | mtx_init | yeah, I thought about coming back. |
| 21:20.13 | simonrvn | what an IMO stupid reason, but anyway |
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| 21:20.49 | mtx_init | are there any PPA's that support it |
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| 21:21.02 | lindi- | mtx_init: PPA's are an ubuntu thing |
| 21:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | mtx_init: You aren't prevented from installing firefox if you like the different logos & names. |
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| 21:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | wtf ppa |
| 21:21.51 | jhutchins_lt | !wtf ppa |
| 21:21.52 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ppa means... |
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| 21:22.11 | abrotman_ | debianb doesn't have ppa |
| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman_: What is it? |
| 21:22.33 | laurus | I'm having trouble using xrandr to change the resolution on my laptop screen when I disconnect my external monitor. |
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| 21:22.38 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: buildd for everyone |
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| 21:23.21 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, special packages for ubuntu users. |
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| 21:24.16 | amphi | laurus: what do you mean? |
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| 21:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | So we could generously interpret mtx_init's question as "are there alternative repos of firefox for Debian". |
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| 21:25.01 | laurus | amphi, well when I have the external monitor plugged in and I turn on my laptop, it sizes properly on the monitor to 2048x1152. When I look at the laptop screen, I see the upper right hand corner of the image in the monitor. What I want is to be able to disconnect the monitor and run a command that will resize the desktop resolution to 1280x800. |
| 21:25.17 | laurus | Er, upper-left hand corner. |
| 21:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | Which really wouldn't be necessary, since you can build packages for yourself, or just use the mozilla installer. |
| 21:25.32 | abrotan | jhutchins_lt: ppa is unofficial/user repos .. to be used with caution .. see apt-get.org |
| 21:25.59 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: the mozilla installer used to contain proprietary software, do you know if it still does? |
| 21:26.20 | abrotan | yes |
| 21:26.28 | Cain | makes abrotman (abrotan + m) |
| 21:26.32 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: I believe by Debian standards yes - it installs firefox. |
| 21:26.53 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: but i mean hardcore non-free without source |
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| 21:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Not something I concern myself with, iceweasel bpo works fine for me. |
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| 21:28.09 | laurus | amphi, do you have any idea how to resize the desktop resolution? |
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| 21:28.26 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 21:28.42 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: yeah i was just wondering since it was recommended here :) |
| 21:28.45 | amphi | laurus: just do xrandr --output EXTERNAL_OUTPUT_NAME --off and it should be ok |
| 21:29.01 | laurus | Okay, let's try :) One sec |
| 21:29.36 | laurus | Wow, unbelievable, it worked! |
| 21:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: I wouldn't recommend the mozilla installer myself, they tend to spatter files indiscriminently and inconsistently from version to version and not clean up after upgrades. |
| 21:30.21 | babilen | Good evening - I stumbled over the aquivalent of "gnome love bugs" in Debian some days ago, but forgot the usertag for them in the BTS. Do you know the tag that is used for bugs that are easy to fix? |
| 21:30.33 | amphi | laurus: O ye of little faith |
| 21:30.36 | amphi | ;) |
| 21:30.40 | laurus | Totally fantastic! Thanks! |
| 21:30.44 | laurus | Well I'd never had success trying this before |
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| 21:31.32 | laurus | Yay, no more restarting my entire computer every time I connect or disconnect from the monitor :p |
| 21:31.34 | laurus | Actually I used grandr to turn it off rather than xrandr |
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| 21:34.30 | babilen | What is the usertag for bugs that are considered easy to fix? |
| 21:34.46 | laurus | amphi, how do I tell what EXTERNAL_OUTPUT_NAME is? When I do "xrandr -q" I see "VGA connected", does that imply that it is VGA? |
| 21:34.46 | laurus | Er, that EXTERNAL_OUTPUT_NAME is VGA. |
| 21:35.34 | amphi | laurus: yes |
| 21:35.40 | laurus | Great, thanks :) |
| 21:35.45 | amphi | laurus: the other is LVDS, I imagine |
| 21:35.59 | laurus | Yeah :) |
| 21:36.24 | amphi | laurus: the names are somewhat driver dependent; here, for example, they are LVDS1 & VGA1 |
| 21:36.39 | laurus | Ah I see. That's good to know! |
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| 21:38.45 | laurus | Wow, this is great, now I don't have to have two screens running all the time when I'm only using one! |
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| 21:39.29 | Lateralus | according to http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mysql-server-5.1 I should be able to do apt-get -t lenny-backports install mysql-server-5.1, right? I receive "couldn't find package mysql-server-5.1" |
| 21:40.18 | r0nin | I have files im trying to restrict access to, so users can only read them and its in a samba share. but chmod 740 and chown root:admins, still allows the users in the admins group to delete the files... |
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| 21:40.29 | rudi_s | Lateralus: Do you backports enabled in your sources.list? |
| 21:40.32 | r0nin | chould samba be interfering with the file permissions? |
| 21:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mysql-server |
| 21:40.55 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3; sid: 5.1.43-1; lenny-backports: 5.1.44-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.44-3; squeeze: 5.1.44-3; sid: 5.1.45-1 |
| 21:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | Danged picky bots. You'd think they were computers or something. |
| 21:41.25 | Lateralus | rudi_s: oh good lord -- Sorry for the stupidity... I had reinstalled 2 or 3 times fighting virtualbox, it wasn't in this install. :\ |
| 21:41.26 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: they're on work to rule |
| 21:41.28 | Lateralus | thanks... |
| 21:41.37 | rudi_s | np ;-) |
| 21:41.59 | jhutchins_lt | Lateralus: Try just apt-get -t lenny-backports install mysql-server |
| 21:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | Lateralus: (Better yet, use aptitude.) |
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| 21:44.53 | Lateralus | thanks again guys, mysql 5.1 is installed :) |
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| 21:45.25 | rudi_s | np |
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| 22:03.48 | belak | Is there a way to make my own package based on a git repo? |
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| 22:04.57 | agaran | hello |
| 22:05.05 | superbob | any help me with rlm_ippool: Could not find Pool-Name attribute. |
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| 22:05.26 | agaran | if dpkg -L <package> shows some file; but apt-get remove <package>; apt-get install <package> don't install it, where i may look to find why? |
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| 22:06.48 | superbob | agaran, wat r u trying to do ? |
| 22:07.24 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions miro |
| 22:07.26 | judd | miro -- lenny: 1.2.3-2; squeeze: 2.5.3-1; sid: 2.5.4-1 |
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| 22:08.23 | agaran | superbob: compile something, i was missing pkgconfig files, but found right now, installed wrong version of package i think |
| 22:09.21 | Mendor|work | ,version php5 |
| 22:09.23 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
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| 22:09.27 | Mendor|work | ,versions php5 |
| 22:09.29 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1 |
| 22:09.57 | superbob | agaran, purge it |
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| 22:11.45 | Titan8990 | !tell agaran about confmiss |
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| 22:12.23 | agaran | Titan8990: no, it was pkgconfig files, or they are configs to, is possible to figure that automatically? |
| 22:13.22 | Titan8990 | agaran: what package are you trying to compile? are you trying to dpkg-buildpackage an existing source package? |
| 22:14.21 | agaran | Titan8990: own code, wanted to fetch pkg-config data for glib so i could pkg-config glib --cflags |
| 22:14.40 | agaran | moving from another machine, and already found that there is no glib 1.2 for squeeze |
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| 22:15.22 | tomi_ | is posible to build kernel support xen and openvz? |
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| 22:16.09 | Titan8990 | tomi_: there are debian kernels that provide that |
| 22:16.27 | Titan8990 | agaran: and pkg-config does not work? |
| 22:16.34 | tomi_ | but xen and openvz in one kernel |
| 22:16.50 | Titan8990 | tomi_: no, why would you want to do that? |
| 22:17.11 | tomi_ | to run openvz vm as xen guest |
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| 22:17.30 | agaran | Titan8990: now works, found problem already, (about 2 minutes ago), i was assuming that if one glib version is available it will have name glib not glib-2.0, my bad and i didn't checked enough carefully |
| 22:17.48 | tomi_ | that mean, run openvz vm in xen domU |
| 22:18.15 | Titan8990 | tomi_: you want to run a vm inside of vm? |
| 22:18.22 | tomi_ | yep |
| 22:18.40 | natoka | doesnt make much sense, running a vm inside a vm |
| 22:18.44 | Titan8990 | tomi_: why not run a 2nd domU? |
| 22:19.04 | tomi_ | i is not my choice, just i must do it |
| 22:19.23 | natoka | especially when xen supports such things out of the box |
| 22:19.50 | Titan8990 | tomi_: are you trying to install an openvz vm on a xen vps that you rent? |
| 22:19.59 | tomi_ | no |
| 22:20.12 | Titan8990 | that is the only possible scenerio I could come up with |
| 22:20.32 | tomi_ | i must check an idea of 2 level virtualization for one project |
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| 22:22.28 | Titan8990 | tomi_: well, it is a strange your request so your probably going to be on your own |
| 22:23.31 | tomi_ | so, only tip how buid xen kernel for domU ? |
| 22:24.03 | Titan8990 | tomi_: #xen |
| 22:24.52 | tomi_ | hm , is domU kernel source in debian repository ? |
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| 22:32.57 | nse1 | Hello. During boot I saw some errors concerning unbeknownst matters. Such errors didn't prevent the operational system to boot but I must admit I am not comfortable with them. How can I spot them specifically in order to go round them, so the kernel messages during boot time won't show errors, without problems? |
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| 22:33.07 | suw | hello |
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| 22:33.38 | cast | nse1: what kind of error we talking? |
| 22:33.55 | cahoot | nse1: if not in dmesg you might need enable bootlogd - see /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 22:34.04 | suw | I'dd like to extend my lvm, before extending ext3 partition - do I have to unmount-it ? |
| 22:34.10 | cast | suw: nope. |
| 22:34.17 | cast | suw: and its extend your lv |
| 22:34.48 | suw | cast: ok thank you - shure I'll dont have to unmount it? I dont want to loose some data |
| 22:34.55 | cast | quite sure. |
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| 22:35.14 | cast | to shrink it you'd have to umount |
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| 22:35.52 | nse1 | cast: Probably some errors with relation to read and write to the filesystem. I am not sure. If this is crucial then I can reboot the system to write down a snapshot of them. |
| 22:36.15 | nse1 | cahoot: Thank you. |
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| 22:42.16 | suw | cast: at lvextend -L+sizeG << size means with how much I extend the lv ? |
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| 22:42.34 | cast | read the manpage carefully, and look at examples. |
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| 22:59.14 | dbuduru | is there a way I can start my vncserver during system boot.. |
| 23:00.08 | natoka | for sure there is |
| 23:00.17 | xsappyx | dbuduru: update-rc.d |
| 23:00.48 | dbuduru | xsappyx: can you give a lil more detail. I am kinda new to this stuff |
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| 23:01.20 | natoka | dbuduru: man update-rc.d |
| 23:02.36 | xsappyx | dbuduru: you prob want update-rc.d vncserver defaults that will add the standard startup / shutdown links |
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| 23:03.23 | stuckey | How do I upload a file to an ftp server? |
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| 23:03.40 | dbuduru | thanks folks ! |
| 23:04.06 | stuckey | I'm using "put foo /media/disk" but it says 553 Could not create file. |
| 23:04.12 | stuckey | What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:04.41 | natoka | stuckey: 553 is permission denied |
| 23:04.53 | natoka | stuckey: would guess it's a permission problem |
| 23:04.56 | stuckey | natoka: It's my ftp server... so I need to change permissions? |
| 23:05.23 | Tramp | no. 553 is illegal filename |
| 23:05.24 | stuckey | On the /media/disk to? |
| 23:06.48 | Tramp | stuckey: what is the name of the file you are trying to put? |
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| 23:07.48 | Tramp | ah. You're crossposting and getting misled in ##linux as well - forget it. Have a nice day |
| 23:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ for crossposting |
| 23:09.06 | \amethyst | stuckey: let me guess.... /media/disk is a directory? |
| 23:09.24 | \amethyst | stuckey: you're trying to overwrite a directory with a file |
| 23:09.29 | Tramp | ah, dang. |
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| 23:09.41 | \amethyst | stuckey: you want put foo /media/disk/foo |
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| 23:10.28 | Tramp | crossposters never listen, when finally someone comes up with the right solution |
| 23:10.45 | Tramp | that's the curse of the crosspost |
| 23:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | similar to Montezumas curse, then... |
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| 23:18.13 | tomi_ | its me again, is posible to put guest kernel into quest not in dom0 in xen ? |
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| 23:24.47 | paranoidphreak | how do i set sound settings default to "mono" instead of "stario"? |
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| 23:26.13 | Elshar | Well, I like planetio instead of stario, but it just seems more responsive. |
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| 23:28.09 | dbuduru | xsappyx: I tried doing that and it doesnt seem to work. |
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| 23:28.23 | paranoidphreak | Elshar: some of the videos, the sound doesn't work properly, so i have to change it to "mono"; i know how to do it in vlc but not in totem |
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| 23:31.39 | xsappyx | dbuduru: do you have an error? do you normally start the server with /etc/init.d/vncserver start ? |
| 23:32.25 | nono | vnc4? |
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| 23:32.59 | nono | vnc4server? |
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| 23:57.02 | pitlimit | Can anyone tell me what version of the Linux kernel debian 5 uses? |
| 23:57.24 | amphi | debian 5? |
| 23:58.18 | amphi | , versions linux-image-686 |
| 23:58.20 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25 |
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| 23:59.17 | xsappyx | pitlimit: 5.0.4 uname -a : Linux dev-pkgrepo 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 00:59:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:59.31 | pitlimit | thank you for your help |
