| 00:00.01 | tarkaram | for the PS3 internet.. I am going to run Squid on debian.. and set it up as a proxy server. |
| 00:00.15 | flaccid | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%2Fetc%2Fnetwork%2Finterfaces+debian |
| 00:00.54 | flaccid | tarkaram: don't do that. squid is a proxy server not a router. |
| 00:01.19 | RobDalan | don't you have another phoneline that he can use that's closer to the computer and ps3? |
| 00:01.29 | RobDalan | you |
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| 00:01.53 | tarkaram | RobDalan: thanks for the advise.. I could have done all that if it were possible. |
| 00:02.27 | tarkaram | and I like doing crazy things like this.. so I get to learn some stuff...and you guys certhainly very helpful. |
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| 00:02.38 | flaccid | its not crazy |
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| 00:02.58 | flaccid | set the debian and the ps3 on static ips on the same network |
| 00:03.07 | flaccid | verify ping and then let me know i can help you with the hop |
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| 00:04.00 | RobDalan | Yeah, I just don't really understand why it's hard I guess... If I was there and could see the setup I'm sure it would make more sense. |
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| 00:04.49 | RobDalan | I used to install cable for a living though, so I'd just run a cable... If I wasn't renting this place would be wired for everything. |
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| 00:05.04 | RobDalan | Plus I don't like wireless that much... |
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| 00:06.10 | tarkaram | RobDalan: I agree.. though the wireless router says 54Mbs.. I get 3 at the best.. |
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| 00:06.20 | Mowee | Adieu :O |
| 00:06.26 | tarkaram | and its not even a comparison the gigabit ethernet.. |
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| 00:06.41 | flaccid | all you do is on the ps3 set static ip and then set its gateway/router to the lan IP address of the debian box, then you configure ip forwarding on the debian box so it can reach the di-524 |
| 00:06.47 | tarkaram | I just watching iftop and seeing data rates at 500 Mbps |
| 00:07.36 | flaccid | 52Mbit/s is the top speed. it can operate as low as 1Mbit/s to ensure packets are not lost |
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| 00:08.01 | flaccid | 802.11n can of course do faster rates with the same wireless interference |
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| 00:09.16 | tarkaram | flaccid : I will try this setup and let you know. I got to my mop my house now.. else my wife is gonna be mad. |
| 00:09.20 | tarkaram | Thanks again ! |
| 00:09.36 | RobDalan | Good luck |
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| 00:19.47 | tarkaram | flaccid, RobDalan: I just changed the settings and it worked. |
| 00:20.06 | RobDalan | Cool |
| 00:20.09 | tarkaram | all I had to do was set the debian server as the router/gateway in the PS3 and it worked. |
| 00:20.38 | tarkaram | I didnt do that before.. and thats probably why the PS3 want seeing the media server on the debian machine. |
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| 00:24.32 | Guest42611 | hi can anybody tell me how to install debian on a removeable harddrive |
| 00:28.16 | RobDalan | hook up hard drive, insert install disk, follow directions, done. |
| 00:28.43 | Guest42611 | wat if u hav the iso |
| 00:29.01 | RobDalan | burn it as a disk image to a cd. If you're using linux try k3b. |
| 00:29.02 | Guest42611 | o nvm |
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| 00:29.35 | Guest42611 | im usin windows 7 right now... thanks |
| 00:29.53 | RobDalan | yeah, I don't know what you use to burn an image with 7, haven't used it. |
| 00:30.09 | Guest42611 | nero |
| 00:30.31 | RobDalan | that works... As long as it can burn an image, which IIRC nero can. |
| 00:31.10 | Guest42611 | i used nero burning rom for when i had GOS |
| 00:32.38 | RobDalan | give it a try. I've never had to do anything different to install to a thumbdrive, so you shouldn't have a problem with a removable one. |
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| 00:33.09 | Guest42611 | can i run it with a window |
| 00:33.13 | RobDalan | ? |
| 00:33.22 | RobDalan | what do you mean? |
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| 00:33.52 | Guest42611 | like i have windows 7 running and i can open up debian in a window |
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| 00:34.19 | matt7676 | I am installing Debian Lenny and there is question regarding the system hostname: "Please enter the hostname for this system." Where do I see this hostname? Is this just a name to my computer? |
| 00:34.21 | RobDalan | if you run it in a virtual machine. |
| 00:34.28 | RobDalan | pick one. |
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| 00:34.50 | kazoo | how do i add users via shell? |
| 00:34.57 | RobDalan | yeah it's a name for your computer so that other computers on the network can use a name instead of having to type an IP address everytime. |
| 00:35.02 | RobDalan | type man adduser |
| 00:35.07 | RobDalan | "man adduser" |
| 00:35.28 | RobDalan | generally you just have to "adduser [username]" |
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| 00:35.38 | Guest42611 | lol funny thing is my removeable harddrive is bigger than my c: drive |
| 00:36.01 | Guest42611 | :P |
| 00:36.16 | RobDalan | that's normal... People buy removables to expand... Prices come down bigger drives are cheap so the second one is huge in comparison |
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| 00:36.54 | Guest42611 | my c: is 27 gigs and my removeable one is 57 |
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| 00:38.20 | RobDalan | I have a media server here that has a 6 GB drive for the OS and a 80 GB drive for backup and a 250 GB drive for Media |
| 00:38.32 | RobDalan | and those are small as far as I'm concerned |
| 00:38.45 | Guest42611 | i put my old pc's hard drive in a maddog case |
| 00:39.02 | RobDalan | did you get the disk burned ok? |
| 00:39.45 | Guest42611 | yea it will be fine in a min |
| 00:39.58 | flaccid | tarkaram: but did that include internet? i didn't think ip forwarding was enabled by default, could be wrong.. |
| 00:40.52 | simonrvn | it isn't |
| 00:41.09 | Guest42611 | ugh youtube is getting on my nerves with my video update |
| 00:41.51 | Guest42611 | updates |
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| 00:44.26 | Guest42611 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dxtGdoBwyo can i have some tips for future vids |
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| 01:01.06 | kazoo | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main ksh 93s+20080202-1 |
| 01:01.07 | kazoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.45 | kazoo | Any idea? |
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| 01:03.52 | flaccid | kazoo: maybe you can work around by putting the host in /etc/hosts and ensuring that is checked first in your nsswitch |
| 01:04.25 | kazoo | hmm |
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| 01:05.04 | nix_pg | what is the default pass for mysql on debian? |
| 01:05.24 | RobDalan | I think it's blank. |
| 01:06.14 | flaccid | mysql -u root |
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| 01:06.26 | flaccid | if not mysql -u root -p |
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| 01:08.07 | Bohemian | i have a livecd in and i just need to format a drive. how do i do that with the installer? |
| 01:08.35 | flaccid | do it with fdisk and mkfs or alternatively just use gparted |
| 01:09.08 | Bohemian | i'm in a shell, "fdisk not found" |
| 01:09.22 | flaccid | you could probably install it |
| 01:09.29 | flaccid | i don't know what live cd you are using.. |
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| 01:09.57 | Bohemian | 5.3 |
| 01:10.13 | flaccid | you get a GUI yeah ? |
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| 01:11.16 | Bohemian | yes |
| 01:11.29 | flaccid | install gparted via apt and be then use that |
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| 01:12.46 | Bohemian | flaccid: aptitude command not found |
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| 01:13.02 | flaccid | Bohemian: how about apt-get |
| 01:13.08 | Bohemian | nope |
| 01:13.24 | Bohemian | i'm using built in shell if that matters |
| 01:13.27 | flaccid | um can someone else help us out. is there simply nothing installed on live cd ? |
| 01:13.30 | flaccid | oh |
| 01:13.34 | flaccid | you did not tell me that |
| 01:13.40 | flaccid | you aint going to be able to do that in busybox |
| 01:13.49 | Bohemian | yeah, going into commandline now |
| 01:13.52 | Bohemian | thought that was the issue |
| 01:13.58 | flaccid | go to the X gui and do it from xterm |
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| 01:14.11 | Bohemian | how do i get to that? |
| 01:14.22 | flaccid | apt-get update && apt-get install gparted && gparted & |
| 01:14.29 | flaccid | of course gparted may already be installed |
| 01:14.43 | flaccid | Bohemian: reboot and go into the live/gui |
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| 01:14.56 | flaccid | if it doesn't have one, then its not a live cd |
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| 01:15.25 | Bohemian | scanning now |
| 01:15.33 | Bohemian | before iw as in expert mode, must have been the problem |
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| 01:16.14 | flaccid | expert mode = tui debian installer, not live |
| 01:16.30 | Bohemian | ah |
| 01:16.53 | flaccid | but if you were an expert, you would of known that :) |
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| 01:18.45 | Bohemian | flaccid: how exactly do i get into command line from the livecd? |
| 01:18.56 | Bohemian | i've done the autoconfig of everything and am in the partition disc part of the livecd |
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| 01:19.18 | flaccid | are you in a GUI or a TUI ? |
| 01:19.31 | Bohemian | i clicked graphical install |
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| 01:20.11 | se7en | could someone help me with http://qt-kde.debian.net/ installing 4.4. i follow that instruction but i can not install the 3 packages from experimantal because they do not exist |
| 01:20.30 | Bohemian | flaccid: is that a GUI? |
| 01:20.39 | Bohemian | i do not know the debian livecd environment well |
| 01:20.53 | flaccid | Bohemian: um maybe someone can help me out here. a live cd should have an option to boot into X with no installer |
| 01:22.10 | RobDalan | I don't know if it does or not, but what about Ctrl-Alt-F#... I do it in the installer all the time to chroot into systems or format stuff |
| 01:22.12 | Bohemian | what is the livecd on debian.org that i need? |
| 01:22.45 | RobDalan | I don't think there is an official Live Debian CD... As far as I know it's a separate project, but you can make one. |
| 01:23.06 | flaccid | sounds right to me |
| 01:23.18 | flaccid | Bohemian: you don't have a live cd then |
| 01:23.26 | Bohemian | oh |
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| 01:23.33 | Bohemian | well, what is a linux livecd that's popular then? |
| 01:23.52 | flaccid | if you can get to a shell via the ctrl+alt+f1 or whatever, then you can install/use fdisk and mkfs, or maybe you can just use the installer and only prepare the disk and not install |
| 01:24.04 | flaccid | Bohemian: many are popular. what do you need it for ? |
| 01:24.07 | RobDalan | try ubuntu or install debian to a flash drive if you don't want to install |
| 01:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !live cd |
| 01:24.13 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 01:24.23 | dvs | Bohemian: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 01:24.24 | Bohemian | i need to delete the contents of a partitions, flaccid |
| 01:24.25 | RobDalan | there's fdisk, cfdisk, and parted on the installer cd |
| 01:24.47 | Bohemian | RobDalan: how do i access it then? |
| 01:25.07 | RobDalan | press Ctrl+Alt+F2 or F3, etc. |
| 01:25.23 | flaccid | cfdisk will be easiest for you |
| 01:25.26 | RobDalan | then type "fdisk" |
| 01:25.30 | RobDalan | or that... |
| 01:25.53 | Bohemian | and it's easy to just drop the contents of a partition, without deleting the actual partition with fdisk? |
| 01:26.03 | RobDalan | I highly recommend downloading Gparted LiveCD for next time though... This works, but it's not nearly as easy. |
| 01:26.17 | RobDalan | you can do that with dd |
| 01:26.38 | RobDalan | or any number or other things. |
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| 01:28.37 | Bohemian | RobDalan: dd part of fdisk? |
| 01:28.56 | Bohemian | RobDalan: can you tell me what to do with the debian cd i have right now? |
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| 01:30.14 | tarkaram | flaccid : you are right, no internet on PS3. Can you let me know how I can set up IP forwarding |
| 01:30.25 | chid | 192.168.?.? |
| 01:30.29 | Bohemian | RobDalan: when i do ctrl alt f2 i can't get aptitude to work |
| 01:30.33 | Bohemian | command not found |
| 01:30.36 | chid | check out your router? |
| 01:30.49 | flaccid | Bohemian: why do you keep using aptitutude, thats something extra. use apt-get |
| 01:31.19 | flaccid | tarkaram: sure, i'm just trying to think of the best way to do this |
| 01:31.28 | Bohemian | apt-get doesn't work either, nor does fdisk or cfdisk |
| 01:31.36 | Bohemian | i'm installing the gparted live cd now |
| 01:31.40 | flaccid | Bohemian: check if they are installed with dpkg -l |
| 01:31.47 | Bohemian | they aren't |
| 01:31.52 | flaccid | then you can install them |
| 01:31.59 | flaccid | you also don't install gparted live cd, you run it.. |
| 01:32.04 | Arrowmaster | !why aptitude |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 01:32.05 | flaccid | i used it yesterday and yes it is good |
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| 01:32.27 | flaccid | Arrowmaster: sure, but to install a package in this case, its really not needed in any way |
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| 01:32.57 | Bohemian | i always use aptitude over apt-get on my server |
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| 01:33.24 | Kevin` | is lenny's grub2 package usable? |
| 01:33.34 | Arrowmaster | the only time i use something other than aptitude is when i have the .deb and im manually installing it with dpkg -i |
| 01:33.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | um... yes. |
| 01:34.42 | flaccid | anyway there should not be anything stopping you from installing a part editor via apt |
| 01:35.23 | RobDalan | Bohemian: You shouldn't need to install anything... Plus I'm not sure you can on the install cd... Use Gparted or the installer partitioner to erase it if you can't get fdisk to work... You might have to go through the installer until the "load additional components from CD" part and select the formatting tools... I can't remember offhand. |
| 01:35.43 | Bohemian | i'm gonna try gparted now |
| 01:35.54 | Bohemian | i should have just used bsd's livecd |
| 01:35.56 | RobDalan | you can Ctrl-Alt-F2 anytime after the installer loads though |
| 01:35.56 | flaccid | gparted is best in this case, imho |
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| 01:36.15 | RobDalan | don't be humble... It just is the best in this case. |
| 01:36.19 | flaccid | there are thousands of live cds out there |
| 01:36.28 | Arrowmaster | yes theres a few partitioning tools in the installer that you can use but you have to get past that load additional components part and select them |
| 01:36.29 | flaccid | gparted and knoppix are made for these kind of purposes |
| 01:37.43 | Kevin` | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, so what do I get when my server doesn't boot up after this? ;p |
| 01:37.46 | Kevin` | j/k |
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| 01:39.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kevin`: both pieces :p |
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| 01:40.30 | Kevin` | does grub support lvm on raid? it looks like it tries to load lvm (for some splash screens?!), then raid (for /boot, which is all it needs to load) |
| 01:40.34 | Kevin` | I hope it doesn't screw anything up |
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| 01:42.04 | Kevin` | ah, looks like it only needs those for the graphical menu, disabled that and the lvm went away |
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| 01:43.44 | Bohemian | does gparted live cd work on amd64? |
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| 01:45.02 | RobDalan | yes, it might only be 32 bit though, not sure. I've used it on mine though. |
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| 01:45.25 | tarkaram | flaccid : I had a scenario few years ago and its kind of similar to my PS3 debian scenario. I had a broadbad PC card and a couple of laptops. My goal was to share the internet connection (PC Card) to the rest. So, what I did was I bought a wireless router that all the devices could connect to and on one of the laptops, I connected to the internet using the PC card. This laptop is on two networks now... the wireless and ppp0 |
| 01:45.25 | tarkaram | . So I altered the routing table to ensure that all 192.168 traffic was routed using the wirless router and anything else was sent via the PC Card. I setup Squid on the PC and the rest of the devices used the proxy to share the internet connection. |
| 01:45.27 | RobDalan | BTW google is your friend |
| 01:45.44 | tarkaram | but the IP forwarding you mentioned sounds a lot easier. |
| 01:46.14 | flaccid | um |
| 01:46.18 | flaccid | give me a few seconds to think |
| 01:46.48 | tarkaram | cool.. |
| 01:47.06 | flaccid | tarkaram: um just turn on ip forwarding and that should be it, it should then go to the default router on the debian box |
| 01:47.15 | flaccid | they are on the same network so you should not need any extra routes.. |
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| 01:48.49 | tarkaram | I will turn that on and test it. Thanks ! |
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| 01:49.56 | tarkaram | are there any issues with gnome-session and vncserver... |
| 01:50.18 | tarkaram | I have a vncserver running on my debian and I have gnome-session& in the startup script. |
| 01:50.50 | tarkaram | when I connect to the vncserver, all I get is the twm session |
| 01:51.05 | Bohemian | got it, thank you flaccid RobDalan |
| 01:51.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | 3 |
| 01:52.17 | RobDalan | cool, Good luck. |
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| 01:57.42 | brosef | Hi, I need help configuring HAL to ignore a particular drive. here's what i have http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/403084/. i restart hal and gdm, but the volume in question still shows up. This is on Lenny. Any suggestions, please?! |
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| 01:59.34 | rubidious | What is the sense in having an encrypted partition which is mounted at boot for a system which is up 99% of the time (server) |
| 01:59.57 | rubidious | either I'm missing something here, or there is a better way to do this. |
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| 02:00.23 | brosef | rubidious: you're not talking about HAL, are you? |
| 02:00.27 | rubidious | no |
| 02:00.39 | rubidious | I'm just talking generally |
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| 02:02.42 | brosef | rubidious: i can think of a reason... how about keeping your sensitive data secure when your server farm gets raided.. |
| 02:02.55 | rubidious | well that much is obvious, heh |
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| 02:03.36 | rubidious | but this is a personal server, and as far as physical security goes, if they're in my house, it's gg |
| 02:03.51 | rubidious | at the same time I'd like to keep nosy people from accessing sensitive files when I have company over |
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| 02:04.28 | rubidious | and by company, I do NOT mean the CIA, FBI, NSA.. etc |
| 02:04.29 | rubidious | :P |
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| 02:04.52 | brosef | nfs+multiple users? |
| 02:05.04 | brosef | .... or cifs... |
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| 02:06.28 | rubidious | I'm using nfs already for something else, but I don't understand where you're going there... |
| 02:06.38 | rubidious | cifs is a bit overkill for my setup I think |
| 02:07.02 | flaccid | both nfs and cifs have drawbacks |
| 02:07.16 | rubidious | true |
| 02:07.25 | simonrvn | nfsv4.x :P |
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| 02:08.22 | RobDalan | ruibidious: The reason I use encryption on my servers is that if worse comes to worse (and since we're slowly losing all of our rights here in America it will) you can pull the plug and make it a PITA for anyone to access your data... |
| 02:08.42 | flaccid | ah child porn ring owner :p |
| 02:08.46 | rubidious | lol |
| 02:08.51 | RobDalan | Anyone shows up uninvited with paperwork in hand you just kill the breaker box. |
| 02:08.56 | RobDalan | how did you know? |
| 02:09.07 | rubidious | I have some electromagnets for that |
| 02:09.09 | RobDalan | j/k... |
| 02:09.22 | dvs | dones his tin foil hat |
| 02:09.29 | flaccid | just don't ask me if i'm a fed/cop, i have to tell the truth by law.. |
| 02:09.41 | rubidious | are you permanently flaccid? |
| 02:09.46 | RobDalan | Just need to be aware that George Orwell was a visionary and it's currently 1984... |
| 02:09.48 | rubidious | TELL THE TRUTH! |
| 02:09.48 | flaccid | i make flaccidware |
| 02:09.51 | rubidious | lulz |
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| 02:12.54 | Kevin` | grub doesn't work, halp |
| 02:13.08 | Kevin` | i'll try to get the console output |
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| 02:14.34 | Kevin` | Welcome to GRUB! |
| 02:14.34 | Kevin` | error: no such disk |
| 02:14.34 | Kevin` | Entering rescue mode... |
| 02:14.34 | Kevin` | grub rescue> |
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| 02:14.43 | rubidious | heh |
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| 02:15.09 | flaccid | grub is referencing a dev for disk that does not exist |
| 02:15.21 | flaccid | you can use find in grub prompt to verify the linux logical dev name |
| 02:15.47 | Kevin` | unknown command find |
| 02:16.49 | flaccid | i didn't say that was the actual command |
| 02:17.14 | Arrowmaster | i would hope that there is a 'help' command |
| 02:17.14 | flaccid | Kevin`: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#find |
| 02:17.30 | flaccid | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#help |
| 02:18.49 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/1854316 |
| 02:19.30 | Arrowmaster | using a VPS? |
| 02:19.34 | Kevin` | no |
| 02:19.41 | Kevin` | ned:~# qemu -snapshot -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb -serial stdio -option-rom ~kevin/src/sgabios-copies/sgabios/sgabios.bin |
| 02:20.08 | flaccid | Kevin`: you did not give it the required param. and i'm not sure if grub rescue is the same as grub prompt |
| 02:20.25 | flaccid | you might want to use ls and find the right device first |
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| 02:20.48 | Arrowmaster | ok but you are using some form of virtualization, i only asked because i thought some VPS didnt use a real version of grub but something similar |
| 02:21.15 | Kevin` | flaccid: grub isn't loading completely |
| 02:21.30 | Kevin` | it's missing most of it's functions, which it probably wants to load from /boot |
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| 02:22.46 | flaccid | sorry i can't help |
| 02:23.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah i got nothing too |
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| 02:25.37 | rgr | flaccid: fyi still didnt get phpmyadmin working in squeeze for some reason. pretty sure it used to work straight off the bat after installing hte package. But need to turn in now. Thanks for earlier suggestions. |
| 02:25.43 | flaccid | there is probably #grub or ##grub but i can't support a grub that its in a virtualisation or not properly loaded |
| 02:26.26 | flaccid | rgr: you can always make your own vhost for it. we know that it doesn't enable it by default. i recall doing the symlink in ubuntu releases and it works, not sure your problem. |
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| 02:27.41 | Kevin` | I think the version of grub in lenny is missing gpt support. the one in backports seems to work better |
| 02:27.44 | Kevin` | rebooting to test |
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| 02:28.34 | Arrowmaster | are you using grub or grub2? i would have thought grub2 would have gpt for a long time |
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| 02:33.14 | Kevin` | yay, works |
| 02:33.27 | Kevin` | Arrowmaster: me too |
| 02:33.32 | Kevin` | grub2 |
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| 02:52.16 | hormelc | hey whats that new diablo game the um dam what is it aclled... anyway does it go under debian |
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| 03:02.34 | gilbert | is there a better ways of refreshing group access other than logging out and back in? i.e. when i do 'sudo addgroup my_user newgroup', i can't actually make use of those new group permissions until i've fully logged out |
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| 03:05.10 | gilbert | 'source .profile', etc don't have any affect |
| 03:06.02 | hayleyw | gilbert, kind of. depends on how you want to use it. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/is-it-possible-to-addremove-a-user-to-a-group-without-logging-out-and-in-again-707845/#post3461739 |
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| 03:08.05 | gilbert | hayleyw: thanks for the link. seems kind of an odd restriction... |
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| 03:10.24 | flaccid | newgroups |
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| 03:10.32 | flaccid | goes out |
| 03:10.42 | hayleyw | flaccid, nope |
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| 03:11.35 | hayleyw | it's not even "newgroups"...it's "newgrp" ...and still, no :p |
| 03:11.39 | flaccid | has worked me in the past. must be a login shell thing, i'll read the link later :) |
| 03:11.51 | flaccid | well i can't remember everything in the world you know |
| 03:11.52 | flaccid | im out |
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| 03:24.28 | viniciusandre | does anyone have any idea of an assembly debugger for x86_64? |
| 03:24.35 | viniciusandre | ive been trying to compile ald, but it seems it doesnt work on 64 bits. |
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| 03:26.13 | wols | viniciusandre: gdb? |
| 03:27.01 | viniciusandre | wols, im just trying to learn hot wo properly insert the debugging symbols.. |
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| 03:27.27 | viniciusandre | wols, wanted something easier as ald |
| 03:27.49 | viniciusandre | wols, not easier... but that im most familiar with |
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| 03:33.06 | wols | what's the problem you have with gdb? |
| 03:33.37 | viniciusandre | wols, so.. i run like gdb prog... |
| 03:33.47 | viniciusandre | i want to see every step of the program, then |
| 03:33.58 | viniciusandre | i only managed to "run" it |
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| 03:36.39 | wols | ,description ddd |
| 03:36.53 | wols | use a frontend like ddd then |
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| 03:37.46 | viniciusandre | wols, nice... thanks |
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| 03:45.16 | Gnudoll | OK, this is starting to make me angry. . . |
| 03:45.32 | hayleyw | go get laid |
| 03:46.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow... i thought i'd seen useless replies before, we just hit a new high |
| 03:46.15 | hayleyw | wins! |
| 03:46.23 | Gnudoll | I'm having trouble posting to discussion forums after changing to DSL |
| 03:46.48 | Gnudoll | smakcks hayleyw with a large trout |
| 03:47.13 | hayleyw | you shouldnt hit girls. tsk tsk |
| 03:47.54 | Gnudoll | you can if you are a girl yourself |
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| 03:48.06 | hayleyw | Gnudoll, good point :P |
| 03:48.14 | Gnudoll | \and I'll be nice and use a girl trout |
| 03:48.22 | hayleyw | heh |
| 03:48.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 03:49.30 | Gnudoll | Using Debian, and Iceweasel, I keep getting a window asking me what to do with <foo>.php |
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| 03:49.48 | hayleyw | sounds like the server is misconfigured |
| 03:49.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah |
| 03:50.06 | Gnudoll | when posting to discussion forums, after changing to ATT dsl. |
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| 03:50.20 | Gnudoll | never had a problem when I was using Comcast |
| 03:50.25 | hayleyw | i bet that's not relevant |
| 03:50.39 | hayleyw | just that forum's having problems |
| 03:50.55 | Gnudoll | and several sites will not open up at all. |
| 03:51.07 | Gnudoll | but they will under windoze |
| 03:51.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | welcome to the real world :( |
| 03:51.26 | hayleyw | Gnudoll, what happens when you go to http://www.wheatoneye.com/contactus.php ? |
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| 03:51.40 | Gnudoll | (Using someone elses computer as I will not have that carp on my box) |
| 03:52.37 | karlpinc | Gnudoll: What version of debian? |
| 03:53.06 | Gnudoll | hayleyw: I get the page, and fairly quickly too |
| 03:53.23 | Gnudoll | karlpinc: LennyR4 |
| 03:53.24 | hayleyw | Gnudoll, that's a properly configured php server :P |
| 03:53.40 | hayleyw | Gnudoll, if you can see that, it's a server problem, not something on your end |
| 03:53.42 | wols | karlpinc: you using NAT; right? what OS does your NAT? if it'S linux, use MSS clamping |
| 03:53.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | i thought there was no r notation for lenny, but rather proper point updates? |
| 03:54.17 | karlpinc | wols: (Wrong user, I think you mean Gnudoll.) |
| 03:54.25 | viniciusandre | wols, is there any way of running each step without inserting debugging symbols? |
| 03:54.25 | Gnudoll | wols: my NAT is firmware inside a Netgear Router |
| 03:54.36 | wols | I think I do. I might be kinda sleepy still. should I go to bed again? |
| 03:54.56 | wols | viniciusandre: assembly should do step by step by default |
| 03:54.59 | Gnudoll | wols: depends if she is cute |
| 03:55.20 | Gnudoll | (hey, you guys started it. . . |
| 03:55.32 | viniciusandre | wols, humn... like typing "s"? |
| 03:55.36 | wols | Gnudoll: that refers to the "can't get to certain forums" thing. the php thing is different |
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| 03:56.05 | viniciusandre | wols, it aleays says "The program is not being run." |
| 03:56.10 | wols | viniciusandre: ddd should have a "step" command somewhere in the menus. can't remember where |
| 03:56.26 | wols | viniciusandre: then start it? |
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| 03:56.47 | viniciusandre | wols, i tried ddd, xxgdb and gdb itself |
| 03:57.07 | viniciusandre | all the "step" action gives this answer |
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| 03:58.06 | wols | so why don't you start your program? |
| 03:58.38 | karlpinc | Gnudoll: Does sound network related, like the netgear or ATT is broken. You could use tcpdump and wireshark to re-create the traffic and see what it looks like. But that'd be work. |
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| 03:59.07 | wols | just change the MTU on linux |
| 03:59.17 | karlpinc | wols: Sounds right. |
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| 03:59.29 | wols | e.g. set it to 1412 and go up from there to the max allowed |
| 04:00.13 | karlpinc | wols: Or at least the right way to start poking it with a stick. |
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| 04:01.51 | Gnudoll | viniciusandre: gdb step <program> may help |
| 04:02.16 | karlpinc | Gnudoll: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#window-scaling ?? |
| 04:03.34 | viniciusandre | Gnudoll, the same |
| 04:03.47 | viniciusandre | Gnudoll, "The program is not being run." |
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| 04:04.05 | hayleyw | viniciusandre, so, type 'run' in gdb |
| 04:04.34 | viniciusandre | hayleyw, "Program exited with code 015." |
| 04:04.47 | hayleyw | bt full |
| 04:04.54 | hayleyw | and report the output |
| 04:05.08 | karlpinc | Gnudoll: The above would make sense where a faster connection breaks things. |
| 04:05.29 | karlpinc | Gnudoll: Whadayathink? |
| 04:05.54 | Gnudoll | well, the reverse seems to be true. . . |
| 04:06.04 | wols | karlpinc: possible but very unlikely |
| 04:06.32 | karlpinc | wols: I can see why you say that with the php symptoms. |
| 04:06.35 | Gnudoll | and I'll be going out tomorrow to test this system on a public network. . . |
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| 04:08.32 | lordnazgul | so I'm trying to set up apache with mod-chroot, and having problems with cgi. I get a 404 when i try to access anything in the cgi-bin dir, and the logs state script not found or unable to stat /usr/lib/cgi-bin. I have /usr/lib/cgi-bin in my chroot jail |
| 04:08.58 | lordnazgul | works fine when i run it without chroot |
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| 04:20.41 | matt7676 | During Debian installation there is a question about Hostname and Domain Name using expert installation mode. As far as I know, Hostname is a unique name assigned to a computer on a network domain. And hostname in DNS point of view is not the same as hostname for example in SMB point of view. However, are there any real services etc, which rely on this hostname? |
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| 05:18.24 | rainabba | Using modprobe.alias I'm able to do 'modprobe wlan' to load tiwlan_drv because I've added "alias wlan tiwlan_drv", but 'modprobe -r wlan' doesn't unload it AND I'm not seeing any error. Why might that be? |
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| 05:42.55 | brutus | how do I redirect my python program output to a file as well as to the terminal? |
| 05:44.21 | wols | brutus: man tee ? |
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| 05:44.56 | brutus | wols, I tried python prog.py | tee outfile |
| 05:45.18 | brutus | wols, doesn't work still... it dumps the output to the terminal only after the end of the program...I want real time output |
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| 06:17.49 | helo_ | anyone know if it is possible to be a client and AP using the same wireless card? |
| 06:18.31 | wols | not at the same time |
| 06:18.37 | helo_ | i need to get my wii online at this hotel, but they require a browser to fill out a form before allowing access... |
| 06:18.43 | wols | it's also pointless |
| 06:18.59 | helo_ | https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=65787 |
| 06:19.32 | rainabba | Client + AP = Repeater? |
| 06:19.48 | helo_ | what about mac spoofing... if i spoofed the wii's mac, authenticated using my browser... |
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| 06:21.14 | wols | how does the Wii get the WPA key of the PC? |
| 06:21.24 | wols | the session key that is |
| 06:21.35 | helo_ | there is no encryption |
| 06:22.01 | helo_ | wonders if the "MAC" configuration field in networkmanager really works |
| 06:22.31 | rainabba | wols: Sounds like public AP, mac filtered access where you have to accept the TOS on first use through an attempt to use http over TCP/80. |
| 06:23.24 | helo_ | yes |
| 06:24.01 | helo_ | well i'm going to try this... night |
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| 06:47.24 | Syliss | i should run debian |
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| 06:49.41 | wols | obviously |
| 06:50.02 | Syliss | meh |
| 06:50.17 | Syliss | too many linux choices |
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| 07:17.23 | iwkse | hi, anyone can confirm this bug is still present in squeeze? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520915 |
| 07:17.43 | babilen | !dbugs 520915 |
| 07:17.47 | dpkg | #520915:N[gimp] gimp: cannot open remote image (); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:15:04 UTC [] |
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| 07:37.40 | Gnudoll | OK, I have my Belkin wifi card working now. . . |
| 07:38.14 | Gnudoll | and after much fighting with it, my old ME102 AP as well |
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| 07:38.56 | Gnudoll | wonders WTF *is* it with all this jurassic kit around me. . . |
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| 07:40.37 | JyZyXEL | !initramfs |
| 07:40.38 | dpkg | somebody said initramfs was the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
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| 07:41.53 | likevinyl | is away: I KEEL U! (PUTO EL QUE LEE) |
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| 07:42.37 | zobel | likevinyl: no public away messages please! |
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| 07:43.10 | JyZyXEL | is there anything in debian repos that adds the ability to mount a LUKS root partition in the bootup |
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| 08:01.08 | flourish | hi all, i have a question about the vim plugin: eclim. Does someone success run it? I failed when setting the mainclass variable. Any suggestion? |
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| 08:21.33 | _Dave123_ | i have a Debian Virtual Machine (Vbox) that I would like to be only able to be accessed from ONE ip only, so doesn't matter what port or what service.. how can I do this best? |
| 08:21.35 | _Dave123_ | one internal ip, nothing else |
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| 08:27.11 | iwkse | _Dave123_: do you mean x-forwarded through ssh? |
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| 08:31.54 | krion | is it possible to use plain X-server (ie no vnc) in order to connect to a running desktop env (like vnc then) |
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| 08:35.06 | ePax | I installed ssh chroot and im having problems with wget... it can not resolv hostnames... anyone know what do i need to change or edit in chroot? |
| 08:35.29 | Vmanz | sounds like the DNS isnt working |
| 08:35.37 | cahoot | resolv.conf? |
| 08:36.30 | ePax | the thing is that wget works with non-chrooted users |
| 08:37.43 | ePax | problem solved |
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| 08:37.59 | ePax | i just copyed resolv conf to chroot |
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| 08:40.47 | SparFuxXx-mobile | hello. Is there a player for audio books in debian, which also supports playing from the position that it stopped at before? |
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| 08:41.14 | ePax | I have one more problem... I installed journaled quota as well... but since i have chrooted ssh and sftp users in chroot can not see thai quota when they type "quota"... quota is moved to chrooted dir... Is it possible to link some command to quota from chrooted shell? |
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| 08:51.49 | pallgone | SparFuxXx-mobile: what is the format? mp3? |
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| 08:52.45 | SparFuxXx-mobile | pallgone: yes. mp3 |
| 08:53.54 | pallgone | SparFuxXx-mobile: you could try mpd, it's a sound daemon... runs in the background and can continue even when you kill X, also it just continues playing where you were when you reboot |
| 08:54.12 | pallgone | has several clients, cli and GUI |
| 08:54.26 | pallgone | !mpd |
| 08:54.26 | dpkg | [mpd] Music Player Daemon, a server allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist management. Packaged for Debian. <FFmpeg> decoding support enabled again in 0.15.1-1 (Debian bug #527093). http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/FAQ http://www.musicpd.org/ #mpd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:54.35 | SparFuxXx-mobile | ok, I will check that out. |
| 08:54.51 | SparFuxXx-mobile | thx for the hint. |
| 08:54.56 | pallgone | np |
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| 09:01.50 | pallgone | so I have installed privoxy and I'm setting the http_proxy variable... |
| 09:02.13 | pallgone | is there any way to apply that one without having to relogin/restart |
| 09:02.14 | pallgone | ? |
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| 09:04.27 | ePax | Is it possible to add hard link for command from chroot to outside chroot? |
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| 09:07.03 | simonrvn | no |
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| 09:07.21 | jelly-home | ePax: assuming you're doing it from outside chroot process, sure |
| 09:08.01 | ePax | jelly-home: Is there any difference between hard and soft link for commands? |
| 09:08.41 | jelly-home | ePax: I don't see where you're going with this, "for commands"? |
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| 09:09.56 | ePax | jelly: i have chrooted ssh and i have installed quota as welll for chrooted users... the only thing that is not working is that chrooted users can not use "quota" to see their disk quota... but quota works |
| 09:10.03 | babilen | Can you follow that link from within the chroot? :-\ |
| 09:10.36 | babilen | Never tried and somehow thought that it is not possible. |
| 09:11.20 | rca | does the realtek 8192se wlan card have any official sort of support? people talk about a bunch of source from realtek, but i the only one i can find is in a tarball on page 3 of an ubuntu launchpad discussion, and that doesn't seem trustworthy |
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| 09:11.58 | babilen | !rtl8192se |
| 09:11.58 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8192SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-ID 10ec:8172). Found in the Medion Akoya E1312 and Positivo Aureum 4200. Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver at http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=226&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#2281 . See also <ndiswrapper>. |
| 09:12.23 | rca | darnit, why didn't that driver come up with 8192 inurl:realtek at google? :P |
| 09:12.34 | rca | seems dpkg > google. thanks |
| 09:12.40 | babilen | rca: hehe - have fun |
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| 09:12.48 | jelly-home | ePax: if you strace an eg. "quota foo" coomand, you'll see it calls quotactl() on the block device for that filesystem |
| 09:12.57 | rca | by the way, some lenovo thinkpads and the asus 1201N ion netbook have that chip too |
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| 09:13.19 | rca | pci.ids still identifies it wrong, this will be such a nightmare for people to install, i wonder if it's realtek's fault |
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| 09:13.57 | babilen | rca: Could you give me the pciid? Or the complete output of 'lspci -nn|grep -i network'? |
| 09:14.07 | jelly-home | ePax: so, in addition to providing a quota command (whether a hardlink or a separate copy), you'll also have to provide /dev/blah for the relevant filsystem(s) |
| 09:14.12 | babilen | rca: Just curious |
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| 09:14.29 | rca | babilen: okay, i'll boot the thing. i put squeeze on yesterday, it may have a newer pci.ids |
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| 09:14.51 | ePax | jelly-home: ok... thnx |
| 09:14.54 | rca | all the rest runs really well on the 1201n |
| 09:15.12 | babilen | rca: Take your time - It's not urgent. I'm just curious if we have the correct information about the pciid |
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| 09:15.53 | rca | babilen: it could be that realtek reissues IDs for certain series of the chipset and you never know what you get from each manufacturer :( i hope this isn't the case for this one |
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| 09:17.00 | rca | babilen: 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8171] (rev 10) |
| 09:17.33 | babilen | judd: pciid 10ec:8171 |
| 09:17.35 | judd | [10ec:8171] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8171 |
| 09:17.56 | babilen | well, that is a bit generic :) |
| 09:18.07 | rca | babilen: yeah :) that might be part of all the issues :) |
| 09:18.20 | rca | hell, i didn't even check yet if maybe the kernel on squeeze is the series where this is merged |
| 09:18.25 | rca | i heard the 8192se is scheduled for a merge sometime |
| 09:18.33 | jetole | does anyone know if there is a way to make it so certain programs are not installed when you do a preseed install |
| 09:18.40 | babilen | rca: It will be, i'll keep that in mind. Good luck witht that card! |
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| 09:19.28 | rca | thanks :) |
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| 09:19.50 | rca | there is a r8192_pci with that squeeze kernel (2.6.32) but i think these aren't the droids i'm looking for |
| 09:19.54 | rca | gonna try the vendor one |
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| 09:36.44 | yucatan | hello guys i have 2 debian machines in my netwerk |
| 09:36.48 | yucatan | one is configured as router |
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| 09:36.57 | yucatan | but the router cant ping the other machine |
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| 09:37.04 | yucatan | but the other machine can ping the router |
| 09:37.07 | yucatan | somebody any idea? |
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| 09:46.31 | rgr | ok, baclk to trying to get phpmyadmin working in squeeze. It used to "just install" and work off the bar. What do I need to do now post install to make the localhost/phpmyadmin url work? |
| 09:47.48 | babilen | rgr: have you read phpmyadmin's README.Debian? |
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| 09:49.31 | Dasen9 | hii |
| 09:50.03 | rgr | there is none there that I can see |
| 09:50.25 | rgr | (and it used to just install - I have linked the apache.conf btw to apache2/conf.d) |
| 09:50.59 | rgr | scratch that! |
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| 09:52.35 | babilen | rgr: README.Debian is typically found in /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian |
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| 09:53.17 | surf_ | hi guys. I compiled a vanilla kernel but when I boot it says Unable to mount fs on sda ( 0 , 0 ). It means that it can't see the partition? Which is the exact driver I must install for sata controller? |
| 09:54.02 | rgr | babilen: yeah, I hadnt this time, but I had run the configure as described there. still nothing unfortunately. I'll run through it all again from scatch. |
| 09:54.53 | babilen | rgr: I don't use phpmyadmin (it has PHP and admin in its name) - but README.Debian might detail the steps you have to take to set it up |
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| 09:55.14 | babilen | surf_: Why don't you use the Debian kernel? |
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| 09:55.36 | alphanet | oh, and BTW what is the state of integration of OpenVZ kernels in squeeze? |
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| 09:56.08 | rgr | gah, still not such directory/site found. I'm stumped. completely. |
| 09:56.08 | surf_ | which is the last? I got 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 which has a problem in udev so I need to upgrade |
| 09:56.11 | glamram | is it normal to have 5k "missing" (from apt-cache stats) packages? |
| 09:56.23 | wols | rgr: just link your phpmyadmin to /var/www/ ? |
| 09:56.27 | babilen | !kernels |
| 09:56.29 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100326, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc2-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc2, stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.1 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.10 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.12 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.45 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
| 09:56.32 | babilen | surf_: ^^^^ |
| 09:56.47 | glamram | (that is for testing) |
| 09:56.49 | babilen | err, no |
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| 09:57.28 | surf_ | babilen, those are vanilla or debian kernels? |
| 09:58.02 | babilen | surf_: It was not the factoid I was looking for - Just install linux-image-2.6-<ARCH> to get the latest |
| 09:58.13 | babilen | surf_: Which architecture do you use? |
| 09:58.17 | surf_ | amd64 |
| 09:58.21 | wols | babilen: but he MUST run testing/sid |
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| 10:00.01 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --architecture amd64 |
| 10:00.02 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 10:00.15 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 10:00.17 | judd | linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. |
| 10:00.26 | babilen | jesus |
| 10:00.30 | babilen | gets himself a coffee |
| 10:00.33 | surf_ | lol |
| 10:01.33 | babilen | surf_: Should be linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 - The problem with -trunk- and that package is, that it is not made the kernel booted by default in grub |
| 10:01.55 | surf_ | oh I see |
| 10:02.01 | rgr | babilen: out of curiosity have you install phpmyadmin in squeeze? The docs claim it should just work if a supported web server is installed (and mysql). apache2 is installed and running. There is not mention in the docs of needing to link apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d but I have tried that regardless. Still nought. I guess its something pretty trivial but all other machines I installed it on it just worked from the install. This is a brand new debian squeeze i |
| 10:02.06 | babilen | surf_: So you have to select it manually and boot the -3- package, you can then remove the -trunk- package |
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| 10:04.05 | babilen | rgr: Never used phpmyadmin and probably never will |
| 10:04.51 | surf_ | babilen, well the bug is this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572537 |
| 10:05.48 | babilen | rgr: I've just checked and /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian.gz details the installation quite well |
| 10:06.12 | rgr | yes, and it doesnt work for me. |
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| 10:06.14 | salahuddin | I am having problem to save PDF in xsane in lenny (preview come but could not save) |
| 10:06.22 | surf_ | and the solution was to install a newer kernel ( newer that 2.6.32.x) |
| 10:07.11 | wols | surf_: and why didn't you do that? |
| 10:07.17 | babilen | !tell surf_ -about make-kpkg |
| 10:08.17 | surf_ | yes I did that using a vanilla kernel... but it doesn't boot |
| 10:08.28 | rgr | the instructions are pretty airy and senseless to many becuase it refers to db-config without actually explaining what and how that works and what needs to be done to actually include the phpmyadmin config in the apache conf.d (if indeed it does - someone here told me I have to do it manually) file which contains the necessary phpmyadmin alias for apache2. |
| 10:08.39 | wols | no you did not. it doesn't say for you to compile your own, does it? |
| 10:09.17 | wols | rgr: is there any reason the symlink won't work? |
| 10:11.57 | surf_ | wols, I just can't understand where I can find the exact kernel. If I tipe apt-cache search linux-image I get only the 2.6.32. Now what about the newer? |
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| 10:12.15 | rgr | wols: really dont know. I'm gonna purge and start from scratch. I just know I never had issues with it before do dont know if some obscure requiremetn is missing from this new install. but I had symlinked /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf. I assumed (and there is no doc to the contrary) this is all that was needed (actually someone here told me I needed to do that but I never did before). |
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| 10:12.23 | wols | surf_: experimental |
| 10:13.03 | wols | rgr: I didn't say to link a conf file |
| 10:13.20 | rgr | I know you didnt. someone else did last night. |
| 10:14.36 | rgr | there should be no reason to link to www, and i was experssly told NOT to do this, becuase the config has an alias in it. |
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| 10:16.22 | surf_ | wols, so I have to run make-kpkg in /usr/src? But how do I download the image. I don't get it |
| 10:17.20 | wols | I don't support people building kernels who have no clue about doing that at all. just not worth the time |
| 10:17.41 | wols | especially when there are a ton of docs for that are out there |
| 10:17.48 | rgr | Why are you here on a help channel if you want to do is whine? |
| 10:18.01 | wols | rgr: you mean me? |
| 10:18.25 | wols | if so: why are you here on a help channel that doesn't support your debian branch? |
| 10:18.57 | wols | surf_: get the 2.6.33 kernel from experimental |
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| 10:19.50 | wols | and if you have any howto that tells you to compile a kernel in /usr/src then delete that howto, it's crap |
| 10:20.48 | wols | but then asking about downloading an image in conjunction with make-kpkg clearly show what day of the week is |
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| 10:20.55 | wols | rgr: and yes, now I am whining |
| 10:21.03 | mick_laptop | anyone know why i need to reconnect ssh every now and then when i do tcp over dns? it doesnt seem to be a keep-alve issue since i'll be surfing just fine and then something dies |
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| 10:21.39 | mick_laptop | hmm, forgot about -vvv that might tell me something useful |
| 10:23.27 | mick_laptop | i wonder if it has to do w/ udp causing tcp to have half open sockets -- i see this in my logs: TCP comm /0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1%0:60022: Local TCP incoming half socket closed. |
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| 10:26.45 | jelly-home | tcp over dns? |
| 10:26.57 | jelly-home | sounds like an awful, awful hack |
| 10:27.15 | wols | it's to evade firewalls |
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| 10:27.48 | jelly-home | I bet it is |
| 10:27.49 | mick_laptop | yup |
| 10:28.02 | mick_laptop | but it is working :P |
| 10:28.10 | jelly-home | what has this have to di with Debian, mick_laptop? |
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| 10:28.34 | mick_laptop | i'm using debian - and it is more of an ssh question |
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| 10:28.49 | mick_laptop | last i checked people were allowed to ask such questions here |
| 10:29.08 | wols | mick_laptop: it sounds more of a tcp over dns question for the people who gave you that wonderful method of evading fws |
| 10:29.12 | jelly-home | sounds to me like more of a networking/connection tracking/kernel question\ |
| 10:29.49 | wols | I doubt ssh folks would like you to ask them about your issue :) |
| 10:30.08 | mick_laptop | maybe i'm looking at my problem from the wrong angle then - thanks uys |
| 10:30.20 | mick_laptop | wols: why? |
| 10:30.39 | wols | cause that's the part most likely to break in your scheme by far |
| 10:30.47 | mick_laptop | it isn't like i'm the only person who has ever done this |
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| 10:31.45 | wols | if you don't understand why, I doubt I can make you see it |
| 10:31.50 | jelly-home | if any of the users on my networks used that to evade security policies, they'd get a very stern look |
| 10:32.08 | wols | jelly-home: only a stern look? the point of those is NOT to evade them |
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| 10:33.22 | mick_laptop | "a stern look" - lol |
| 10:33.31 | mick_laptop | then they would laugh at you |
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| 10:34.25 | mick_laptop | jelly-home: it is more for bypassing paywalls i think (airport internet access, or networks that block everything except dns) |
| 10:34.51 | surf_ | wols, I read some guides that tell to download the vanilla kernel in /usr/src then untar it inside there. Then create a dir linux -> your_kernel. |
| 10:35.22 | jelly-home | mick_laptop: it's not a Debian support question anyway, unless you're using a Debian package to provide that feature |
| 10:35.26 | wols | surf_: I told you what to think about those guides |
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| 10:35.50 | mick_laptop | jelly-home: another thing, if you have people that can bypass security policies... what good is the policy if it doesn't work? |
| 10:35.50 | surf_ | wols, seems strange. It's the debian wiki |
| 10:36.24 | mick_laptop | jelly-home: it was more of an FYI/comment than a question |
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| 10:38.51 | petemc_ | wols: there are a few dns tunneling packages in debian |
| 10:39.16 | wols | petemc_: probably. and? |
| 10:39.31 | petemc_ | wols: you seemed to insinuate there werent any |
| 10:39.44 | wols | tell this to jelly-home possibly, not me. but trying to getting help about them here might be on topic but still stupid |
| 10:40.09 | wols | petemc_: I did not, jelly-home did |
| 10:40.37 | petemc_ | oh |
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| 10:43.50 | mick_laptop | petemc_: i had asked about it, then i pretty much got swarmed with "that's stupid"-type of replies. i figured out the issue anyways (it was ssh related, go figure) ;) |
| 10:44.25 | petemc_ | cool beans |
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| 10:45.31 | mick_laptop | i haven't heard that expression since 1998 |
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| 10:46.10 | petemc_ | whacks mick_laptop with a large trout |
| 10:46.34 | petemc_ | i like to use old sayings |
| 10:46.36 | mick_laptop | ditto for that last comment |
| 10:46.49 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 10:46.49 | linduxed | i'm about to install ntp, but i noticed that i can both choose ntp and openntp |
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| 10:47.26 | linduxed | i'm already using ntp on my arch computer and it seems to work fine there, any reason to go with openntp? |
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| 10:50.57 | mick_laptop | linduxed: openntpd is supposed to be more secure |
| 10:51.09 | mick_laptop | and easier to configure |
| 10:51.21 | linduxed | mick_laptop: that last part souns more interesting |
| 10:51.31 | petemc_ | there isnt much to configure for basic ntp usage |
| 10:51.56 | mick_laptop | but i don't think that ntpd is hard to configure... so i'm not sure why they had that as a project goal |
| 10:52.27 | mick_laptop | i guess fo some people it might be difficult |
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| 10:54.12 | mick_laptop | though when you get into certificates (which lets face it, outside of military stuff - i know noone who uses certs w/ ntp or even cares enough about it) |
| 10:54.15 | linduxed | copy-paste a line or two into /etc/...... ? |
| 10:54.28 | linduxed | that is no improvemenet |
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| 10:54.34 | linduxed | *improvement |
| 10:55.26 | linduxed | they'd have to make an ncurses based server picker and an autodetection script for optimal server to make it easier to configure... |
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| 11:05.40 | Mowee | Salut ^^ |
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| 11:13.04 | jcrain | Hi |
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| 11:16.43 | bob_f | Hopefully somebody here will happen to know this, not sure where is best to ask it. If I boot my computer without a monitor plugged in, is there a way to force X to redetect it ? At the moment it looks like I need to reboot the PC to have the monitor work. |
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| 11:17.46 | bob_f | Huh, weird, I'd tried restarting X but to no avail; restarting gdm has done the trick. |
| 11:17.50 | Arrowmaster | bob_f: just restart X |
| 11:18.15 | Arrowmaster | if you arent logged into X but just gdm is displayed then yeah you need to restart gdm |
| 11:18.36 | bob_f | Arrowmaster: Ah, got it. I don't usually use gdm, this stuff's a bit fuzzy to me. Thanks for the help. :) |
| 11:18.54 | bob_f | This has been bugging me ever since I got this DVI switch so I can play ps3 on my monitor. |
| 11:18.55 | Arrowmaster | i run into the problem a lot because of my dual monitor setup |
| 11:19.42 | bob_f | Is there a convenient way to restart gdm ? I might not always have my laptop here. |
| 11:19.56 | bob_f | I might just remove it, I only put gnome on here so my housemates could use the PC but they have a laptop now. |
| 11:19.57 | Arrowmaster | cant you just ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 11:20.08 | Arrowmaster | to get to a console |
| 11:20.13 | bob_f | Hm, I thought I tried that. Maybe not. I'll give it a pop next time it comes up. |
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| 11:20.30 | zhouting | what is the process that runs xfce4 desktop? |
| 11:20.37 | bob_f | I guess I wasn't sure what layer was responsible for the monitor detection; thought it could be as low as the BIOS. |
| 11:20.40 | zhouting | I mean the icons and backdrop. |
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| 11:20.49 | bob_f | Anyway, thanks again, Arrowmaster - gotta run. |
| 11:20.55 | Arrowmaster | its just X doing it |
| 11:21.02 | bob_f | Logged. :) |
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| 12:02.17 | wols | ,pciid 168c:002c |
| 12:02.19 | judd | [168c:002c] is 'Unknown device' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002c http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 12:05.58 | krion | hi |
| 12:06.11 | krion | anyone know how i could tunneling HTTPS over SSH ? |
| 12:06.28 | krion | i use to do it for HTTP but it doesn't work for HTTPS |
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| 12:08.36 | wols | use a socks proxy? |
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| 12:08.59 | Psi-Jack- | Alrighty! So now I have dual-primary drbd going. Now for me to put LVM on top of that, do I have to use CLVM, for both nodes to notice the changes if any are made, or will it just work? |
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| 12:17.08 | krion | wols: like ? |
| 12:17.46 | vaq2 | krion: Use privoxy and then tunnel your connection through putty so the internal port of privoxy. |
| 12:18.10 | vaq2 | to the* |
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| 12:21.55 | wols | krion: I run dante on the remote server which listens only on localhost. then I tunnel with ssh to the port danted listens on |
| 12:23.44 | krion | ok guys |
| 12:23.47 | krion | gonna try that |
| 12:23.55 | krion | ty |
| 12:28.20 | suffe | after an update my samba client (win7) can't follow symlinks from my debian server. any way to fix this or is it blocked due to a security issue (seem to be a bug with regards to this). |
| 12:29.01 | suffe | is hoping for a change in some default setting that can be fixed |
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| 12:34.19 | nse | Hi good guys. I am about to create a database that will handle Portuguese and English text. There is a field called Collation in which I need select an alphabetisation. Is it ok to select utf8_unicode_ci? It seems to me that's the most common option in order not to get problems with the text. Do any of you guys have experience with bi-lingual content? Do you think it's a better choice to leave the field empty? |
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| 12:36.24 | rgr | that encoding should be fine. I use it for english/german text with no issues. utf8. the phpmyadmin default I think. |
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| 12:41.03 | nse | Thank you. |
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| 12:55.11 | lasheimok | Hi all :) |
| 12:55.13 | lasheimok | Out of curiosity, now is KMS on intel going in Squeeze? Is it worth trying to get the boot screen back or should I just wait? |
| 12:55.20 | lasheimok | s/now/how/ |
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| 12:58.10 | wols | squeeze will have a t least 2.6.32 so there will be KMS |
| 12:59.29 | lasheimok | Yeah, that's why I can't see the boot screen any more. (from what I understand) |
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| 13:01.53 | lasheimok | according to this one: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-02/msg02056.html |
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| 13:07.05 | taras | why there are no linux-kbuild-2.6.32 in backports? |
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| 13:07.32 | taras | or linux-headers-XXX-common is enough? to build virtualbox module? |
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| 13:08.41 | maxdoubt | is there a debian package that sets up a rerouting proxy... so i can use my computer at home to get around my work's firewall? i just want a script that i can type urls into and then load the page through my proxy |
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| 13:14.51 | rudi_s_ | maxdoubt: ssh can do it. |
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| 13:16.13 | maxdoubt | yeah, but i want to make this service available to a few non-tech savvy friends |
| 13:16.19 | maxdoubt | so i need something simple |
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| 13:17.10 | maxdoubt | rudi_s_: see proxify.com |
| 13:17.27 | maxdoubt | i need something that can setup something simple like that on my machine at home |
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| 13:17.52 | rudi_s_ | maxdoubt: No idea, IMHO ssh is simple ssh -D 9999 and then set the socks proxy of the browser to localhost:9999 ... |
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| 13:20.55 | rideexile1 | Hey I have a ATI Radeon 3650HD and apparently there are issues with xorg/compiz/ati which causes windows to lag when resized and maybe more. |
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| 13:21.15 | rideexile1 | Theres a patch for ubnuntu but i'm not sure about debian. |
| 13:21.28 | azeem | rideexile1: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:22.58 | lordnazgul | so I'm trying to set up apache with mod-chroot, and having problems with cgi. I get a 404 when i try to access anything in the cgi-bin dir, and the logs state script not found or unable to stat /usr/lib/cgi-bin. I have /usr/lib/cgi-bin in my chroot jail. Everything works just fine without chroot |
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| 13:23.37 | rideexile1 | lenny |
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| 13:24.04 | rideexile1 | azeem, 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64, lenny. |
| 13:24.15 | azeem | rideexile1: and you have the issues, or you heard about them? |
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| 13:24.56 | rideexile1 | I have the issues. When i resize it takes about 15 seconds to change sizes. |
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| 13:26.11 | rideexile1 | open, close, max and min are all slow. |
| 13:26.31 | rideexile1 | I just managed to get xorg to work with this card atleast ha |
| 13:26.42 | azeem | rideexile1: which driver are you usign? |
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| 13:27.23 | jeeger | Greetings! I am currently trying to compile an apache with the privsep patches in a debian-compatible way. So far I have managed to apply the patches to the apache2-2.2.9 source. however, the included version of apr does not work with the bundled apr version, and the patches need --with-included-apr to work. So, I copied the apr from apache 2.2.6 into the 2.2.9 directory, and tried to build the package with dpkg-buildpackage. However, I |
| 13:27.23 | jeeger | get the error "unrepresentable changes" because of some differing image files in the old apr version. What would be the correct way to make a new package out of the old debian? |
| 13:27.26 | jeeger | package |
| 13:27.33 | rideexile1 | fglrx with ati catalyst |
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| 13:28.09 | azeem | rideexile1: no idea then, try asking ATI |
| 13:28.13 | rideexile1 | haha |
| 13:28.22 | rideexile1 | i don't think that will work out well. |
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| 13:28.34 | azeem | don't use compiz then |
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| 13:28.57 | rideexile1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/comments/75 |
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| 13:29.22 | rideexile1 | i think its something like that. but i have no idea how to apply a patch |
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| 13:33.16 | azeem | rideexile1: you download the source, apply the patch, build the binary package |
| 13:33.43 | azeem | it's probably easier to try building the binary package unmodified first, because if you fail at that, patching isn't helpful |
| 13:34.01 | azeem | rideexile1: and yes, that patch (or hack?) is not in the Debian package |
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| 13:35.00 | rideexile1 | ya, i'm not so sure about that. |
| 13:35.18 | rideexile1 | haha |
| 13:35.20 | rideexile1 | shitty |
| 13:35.24 | rideexile1 | maybe i'll go back to win7 |
| 13:35.58 | azeem | eh, what? |
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| 13:36.27 | azeem | I was actually just trying to build it for, but after such a juvenile comment, I'll spend my Sunday afternoon doing something more fun |
| 13:36.32 | azeem | for you* |
| 13:36.43 | rideexile1 | ha well it was appreciated |
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| 13:37.04 | rideexile1 | i have no idea how to patch a bin package |
| 13:37.19 | azeem | you patch source packages |
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| 13:37.38 | azeem | 15:31 < azeem> rideexile1: you download the source, apply the patch, build the binary package |
| 13:37.42 | rideexile1 | haha see i'll have to read up on patches and working with source code. |
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| 13:38.05 | rideexile1 | i misread your comment about building it unmodified first |
| 13:38.12 | rideexile1 | as building then patching... |
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| 13:38.27 | azeem | rideexile1: try to figure out if there is a Debian bug about this, and if not, submit one |
| 13:38.40 | muphos | hy |
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| 13:39.23 | RedT0mt01 | hy all :-) |
| 13:39.23 | hatten | hello folks, I'm getting the i386 iso on a usb stick with the http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb tutorial, from an archlinux tutorial. Whe doing the last step, 'fsck.msdos /dev/sdb' it asks me to Copy original to backup/Copy backup to original/No action, what should i do? |
| 13:39.32 | muphos | i want to compile lxpanel-xkb |
| 13:39.40 | muphos | lenny |
| 13:39.50 | rideexile1 | i'll keep looking |
| 13:39.57 | hatten | from an archlinux installation i mean |
| 13:40.10 | hatten | decided to ask here first |
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| 13:40.13 | rideexile1 | i've tried every combination of debian and ati and compiz with no luck except things for ubunutu |
| 13:40.27 | muphos | during configure i have an unsatisfied dependency called lxpanel (maybe dev) |
| 13:40.35 | RedT0mt01 | I've got a strange thing with bind9 ... "host -v www.domain.net" has a reply, but "ping www.domain.net" not |
| 13:40.38 | RedT0mt01 | any idea ? |
| 13:40.57 | hatten | wow, loads of questions and nobody answers them O_O |
| 13:41.37 | azeem | hatten: Copy what to what? |
| 13:42.06 | hatten | azeem: I have no clue |
| 13:42.08 | azeem | RedT0mt0m: maybe pings get filtered |
| 13:42.15 | azeem | hatten: why do you run fsck then? |
| 13:42.20 | hatten | azeem: wait a second |
| 13:42.34 | hatten | azeem: "there are differences between boot sector and its backup" |
| 13:42.42 | RedT0mt0m | azeem: nope... iptables has no rule |
| 13:42.58 | hatten | azeem: then a bunch of numbers |
| 13:42.59 | azeem | RedT0mt0m: wait, you're on the host which does not respond to ping? |
| 13:43.06 | wols | !tell muphos about errors |
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| 13:43.43 | muphos | teher is no lxpanel-dev package |
| 13:43.55 | RedT0mt0m | azeem: no, on host its working |
| 13:43.56 | muphos | teher=there |
| 13:43.57 | azeem | hatten: I have no idea about fsck.msdos and I have no idea why you should run it in order to install debian via usb |
| 13:43.57 | RedT0mt0m | :-) |
| 13:43.58 | wols | muphos: read what dpkg just told you |
| 13:44.03 | azeem | hatten: ask whoever wrote that tutorial |
| 13:44.09 | azeem | RedT0mt0m: so what isn't? |
| 13:44.12 | muphos | ... |
| 13:44.44 | wols | !tell hatten about usb install |
| 13:44.51 | muphos | configure shell output: http://pastebin.com/BBab7JGu |
| 13:44.55 | wols | hatten: this is the official debian tutorial for what you want to do |
| 13:45.00 | azeem | hatten: or just ignore the problem |
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| 13:45.30 | RedT0mt0m | on host : ping works, from another host : "ping with ip @" is working, but "ping <name>" is sending query to root dns server |
| 13:45.42 | wols | muphos: apt-get build-dep lxpanel |
| 13:46.14 | wols | muphos: it doesn't say lxpanel is missing. it says one of the half dozen mentioned is missing |
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| 13:46.28 | muphos | wols: hmm thank you |
| 13:46.39 | muphos | i'll give it a try |
| 13:46.50 | wols | muphos: tosee what exactly ismissing, check your config log |
| 13:48.03 | azeem | rideexile1: ok, I'm building an xorg-server package with the patch |
| 13:48.32 | azeem | rideexile1: as it apparently breaks the intel driver, this is not appropriate for Debian |
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| 13:54.12 | jan247 | hi guys, can i set up some directory on apache wherein only users with a valid user on the machine can access, via their log-in password. |
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| 14:07.13 | hatten | hmm, the debian installer throws a kernel panic at me... |
| 14:07.40 | hatten | that is like, not good |
| 14:07.44 | petemc_ | jan247: have a look at libapache2-mod-auth-pam |
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| 14:08.07 | jan247 | petemc_: great, tnx |
| 14:08.31 | petemc_ | hatten: dodgy hardware perhaps |
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| 14:08.42 | hatten | petemc_: yep, definitely |
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| 14:12.30 | rumpsy | hello guys ! |
| 14:12.53 | rumpsy | Need to know how to uninstall wine package fully |
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| 14:13.04 | hatten | rm rf / |
| 14:13.12 | hatten | or that maybe is to fully for you |
| 14:13.31 | petemc_ | that'll get you booted |
| 14:13.37 | petemc_ | rumpsy: ignore hatten |
| 14:13.38 | rumpsy | hatten: i did apt-get remove |
| 14:13.49 | wols | hatten: for this alone you should be banned |
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| 14:14.08 | rumpsy | hatten: you are making me to remove / |
| 14:14.11 | hatten | no |
| 14:14.16 | azeem | !at hatten |
| 14:14.16 | wols | rumpsy: dpkg -l |grep wine purge all these wine packages, then under your ~ remove the .wine* directory |
| 14:14.17 | hatten | partly, i forgot a hyphen |
| 14:14.20 | hatten | and partly |
| 14:14.20 | azeem | wtf |
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| 14:14.32 | wols | thank you |
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| 14:14.42 | azeem | hatten: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving malicious advice |
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| 14:14.57 | rumpsy | ya, he is dangerous |
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| 14:15.14 | rumpsy | wols: thankyou, lemme try that |
| 14:15.41 | azeem | rideexile1: still there? |
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| 14:16.44 | azeem | hrm |
| 14:16.49 | fantasticulous | hi all |
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| 14:17.45 | fantasticulous | i've got a small problem, the little network icon in the tray says there is no network connection although i am connected right now to IRC and the browser works too, but it seems pidgin somehow also believes the network is down and it says 'waiting for network connection'... |
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| 14:18.23 | rumpsy | fantasticulous: reinstall network-manager or install it if you didn't |
| 14:18.35 | rumpsy | may that clicks |
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| 14:18.45 | fantasticulous | ok ill try reinstalling it... |
| 14:18.47 | luna | hello |
| 14:18.53 | wols | fantasticulous: pidgin -f |
| 14:18.56 | luna | i need debian help for germans |
| 14:19.05 | wols | fantasticulous: debian is not windows! reinstalling doesn't help |
| 14:19.08 | wols | luna: #debian.de |
| 14:19.12 | luna | thx |
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| 14:19.17 | fantasticulous | i'll try just uninstalling it |
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| 14:19.49 | wols | fantasticulous: and that won't help. I told you the solution |
| 14:20.03 | rumpsy | fantasticulous: ^^ |
| 14:20.21 | fantasticulous | is it a pidgin bug? shouldn't it affect all apps that use network-manager? |
| 14:20.29 | fantasticulous | btw it worked, i uninstalled n-m and pidgin connected now |
| 14:20.49 | fantasticulous | without the -f flag... |
| 14:20.52 | wols | fantasticulous: no it's a "feature" |
| 14:21.04 | fantasticulous | spare me the sarcasm, buddy |
| 14:21.04 | rumpsy | fantasticulous: you are late, anyway install it |
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| 14:21.24 | wols | fantasticulous: you're a poster boy for sundays. have a nice day |
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| 14:21.31 | fantasticulous | i'm trying |
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| 14:21.33 | rumpsy | wols: i'm using pidgin aside, but n-m is working for me |
| 14:21.57 | fantasticulous | i just dont use n-m, i connect through dhcp to my router very easily |
| 14:22.02 | fantasticulous | no config |
| 14:22.10 | wols | rumpsy: pidging wans the user to use NM when installed. if not, it won't work without hassle |
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| 14:23.52 | rumpsy | bit condusing |
| 14:23.59 | rumpsy | confusing* |
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| 14:25.03 | wols | it's stupid but the pidgin dev's choice |
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| 14:28.11 | rumpsy | wols: Even i remove .wine folder under /home and /root, but still its there in application menu |
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| 14:28.44 | wols | rumpsy: dpkg -l |grep wine |
| 14:28.51 | wols | rumpsy: pastebin it |
| 14:28.57 | rumpsy | okay, sure |
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| 14:30.50 | rumpsy | wols: http://debian.pastebin.com/TNmT1w1r |
| 14:31.00 | olorin_ | Do you have .config/menus/applications-merged/ ? |
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| 14:31.12 | wols | what did I tell you rumpsy? |
| 14:31.19 | wols | remember the little word "purge"? |
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| 14:31.56 | rumpsy | wols: sorry , i donno how to use purge |
| 14:32.03 | wols | !purge |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 14:32.46 | olorin_ | global configuration files* |
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| 14:33.35 | rumpsy | wols: for your information, i already did that purge, but still i get that wine in application menu |
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| 14:33.46 | wols | no you did NOT purge |
| 14:33.56 | jeeger | Greetings! I am currently trying to create a debian package for an apache2 patched with privsep patches. I have successfully applied the privsep patches. However, since the patches add new configure options, buildconf needs to be executed, and the configure script changes. This confuses the patches applied to the configure script, and the build fails. How do I proceed? Edit the offending patch? |
| 14:34.06 | rumpsy | wols: This what i did, apt-get purge wine |
| 14:34.23 | wols | rumpsy: read the factoid until you actually understand it. over and over again |
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| 14:34.34 | wols | sinec you obviously didn't really understand it |
| 14:34.43 | rumpsy | wols: as your wish i read it again |
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| 14:35.32 | rumpsy | wols: yes you are right, i hurried |
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| 14:36.37 | wols | do you understand now how to purge the packages? |
| 14:36.51 | themill | purging won't get rid of the menu entries though. Local configuration stuff in ~/.local can still be around and/or the DE requires the menu to be rebuilt. |
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| 14:37.22 | wols | themill: won't the menuconfig stuff run automatically on removal? |
| 14:37.32 | wols | just like it does on install? |
| 14:38.01 | themill | depends on the DE. Not all DEs notice that the files that make up the menu structure have changed |
| 14:38.06 | rumpsy | wols: ya |
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| 14:39.00 | rumpsy | wols: i need to remove it from menu entry, where it will be |
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| 14:41.24 | olorin_ | rumpsy: Try this command, find -iname *.menu |
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| 14:42.21 | rumpsy | olorin_: sure |
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| 14:42.37 | mon8 | i want to do a net install on a fresh drive (sda). i have debian running off a usb, what next? |
| 14:42.50 | rumpsy | olorin_: nothing it showed |
| 14:42.56 | wols | !tell mon8 about debootstrap |
| 14:43.05 | mon8 | ty |
| 14:43.27 | olorin_ | rumpsy: Hmm, well, grepping for the menu entry then? |
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| 14:43.48 | rumpsy | olorin_: how to |
| 14:43.50 | wols | olorin_: what is he supposed to grep? |
| 14:44.31 | olorin_ | wols: The program entry name, it should be plain text somewhere in ~ |
| 14:44.52 | rumpsy | wols, olorin_ , its there in system->preference->main menu, but i want to delete that manually |
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| 14:45.01 | wols | olorin_: I didn't ask grep FOR what but grep what |
| 14:45.40 | olorin_ | wols: I dunno exactly what he want to remove, do you? |
| 14:45.56 | wols | he says wine |
| 14:46.10 | wols | and that doesn't answer my question: grep what |
| 14:46.15 | rumpsy | olorin_: i want to remove wine entry from my application menu, coz i uninstalled it |
| 14:46.18 | simonrvn | wine thingies have individual menu entries |
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| 14:46.36 | simonrvn | ~/.menu usually |
| 14:46.51 | olorin_ | simonrvn: Tried that already. |
| 14:46.53 | wols | rumpsy: have you actually checked if wine is purged? |
| 14:47.11 | themill | simonrvn: or ~/.local/share/applications ... :S |
| 14:47.24 | rumpsy | wols: yes i used, both aptitude and dpkg, lemme check that again |
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| 14:48.00 | olorin_ | Either way, I would be worried if e.g purge took away my gpg keys while uninstalling gnugpg. |
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| 14:49.04 | rumpsy | wols: yup i completely removed and purged, still entry is there |
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| 14:49.26 | couannette | hi all |
| 14:49.40 | themill | rumpsy: it would probably help if we knew exactly what this menu entry was and what desktop you're using (sounds like gnome) |
| 14:49.48 | simonrvn | themill: yeh, misremembered, thanks |
| 14:50.05 | themill | simonrvn: oh, there's ~/.menu too. Don't ask me what the difference is |
| 14:50.09 | olorin_ | themill: Or KDE... |
| 14:50.16 | rumpsy | themill: cool, this is gnome, and its Lenny up-to-date |
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| 14:50.40 | couannette | bug #509211 is marked "cloned as bug #509573" : which one should I follow / append ? |
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| 14:50.55 | themill | olorin_: system->preferences->main menu doesn't sound very KDE like to me. |
| 14:51.01 | simonrvn | themill: the wine ones go in the one you said iirc. i rm'ed mine a while ago ;). |
| 14:51.06 | olorin_ | themill: Aw, true that. |
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| 14:51.34 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 14:51.40 | olorin_ | simonrvn: Any extensions? |
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| 14:52.26 | simonrvn | extensions? |
| 14:52.34 | rooisto47 | I installed alsa but can't open alsamixer in user accounts (only the root can open it) can you tell me where the problem is ? |
| 14:52.41 | rumpsy | themill: story is, once i installed wine for windows app, now i didn't want that for some reason, i removed that wine package, even after i removed tat wine, i can see that entry in application menu |
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| 14:53.23 | pzn | cron job does that: *** somecommand | mail -e -s 'found things' me@myserver.com *** however, once in a while, this command generates an error "Can't send mail: sendmail process failed". how can I debug this? rate is about 20 errors/day, in a 1000 messages/day total. debian lenny + exim4 |
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| 14:54.28 | themill | rumpsy: there's probably a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/ |
| 14:54.39 | olorin_ | rumpsy: Pretty normal behaviour. I'm sure there's a way to do it from the interface as well. |
| 14:55.00 | themill | rumpsy: or there's probably some gnome menu editor |
| 14:55.12 | jelly-home | pzn: make a better cron job, and examine the exit status of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Also, check your MTA logs. |
| 14:55.21 | rumpsy | themill: yup , all i need to know is, where is that |
| 14:55.33 | olorin_ | rumpsy: alacarte |
| 14:55.51 | rumpsy | what is that alacarte |
| 14:55.54 | jelly-home | pzn: er, exist status or /usr/bin/mail if you're using that |
| 14:56.09 | jelly-home | exit* status for* |
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| 14:56.26 | olorin_ | rumpsy: A GNOME menu editor. |
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| 14:57.07 | rumpsy | okay |
| 14:57.24 | rumpsy | omg, i did alacarte wine |
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| 14:57.57 | rumpsy | That was a bad idea |
| 14:58.00 | pzn | jelly-home: I simplified things at my question. I'm checking the exit status of "mail", it is always 0. the curious is that it emits to stderr the "can not send...", but in fact, at the exim logs the message is sent, and the user received the message! but root gets a message from cron with the error. |
| 14:58.01 | rumpsy | :( |
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| 15:06.42 | rumpsy | thankyou guys |
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| 15:16.50 | remmy | Hi all, how do I tell which of the various x servers is currently being used? |
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| 15:18.10 | babilen | remmy: What do you mean by "various x servers" ? There aren't that many! And you probably run some version of Xorg. The version depends on your Debian release and can, for example, be seen with "aptitude show xserver-xorg" |
| 15:18.16 | rooisto47 | what's the most lightweight web browser (graphic) |
| 15:19.16 | remmy | babilen, well, I have an nvidia card and I can't get my machine to suspend / hibernate... I think I'm currently using 'xv', but am not sure. |
| 15:19.21 | wols | rooisto47: dillo |
| 15:19.36 | wols | xv is no X driver/server |
| 15:19.38 | remmy | babilen, I guess I mean to ask what driver I'm using |
| 15:19.47 | remmy | nv |
| 15:19.48 | remmy | sorry |
| 15:19.52 | rooisto47 | and it's good one ? |
| 15:20.17 | wols | rooisto47: don't set mutually exclusive conditions |
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| 15:20.54 | rooisto47 | wols, who that? |
| 15:21.15 | wols | you that |
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| 15:21.51 | Aldous | Hi, I try to compile ROOT (the data analysis tool) (make debian). I get many "undefined reference to `xmlrpc_env_init'" or similar undefined references to xmlrpc-functions. What do I need to do? |
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| 15:22.12 | wols | Aldous: is there a debian package of your software? |
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| 15:23.03 | rooisto47 | wols, ^^ I means how that ? (don't set mutually exclusive conditions ) |
| 15:23.06 | babilen | rooisto47: Haven't used them, but you might want to take a look at midori (gtk), arora (qt) or surf (suckless) |
| 15:23.36 | babilen | remmy: Take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:24.01 | themill | ,versions root-system-bin |
| 15:24.02 | judd | root-system-bin -- lenny: 5.18.00-2.3~lenny1; sid: 5.18.00-2.4 |
| 15:24.08 | themill | Aldous: ^^ it's already in debian |
| 15:24.23 | Aldous | wois: yes, but it's version 5.18.00. I tried running a file in ROOT, but it seems, the installation is not correct. |
| 15:24.47 | azeem | Aldous: file a bug, then |
| 15:25.19 | Aldous | azeem: no, it works under windows. (btw file is not by me) |
| 15:25.20 | rooisto47 | wols, there is no dillo packege in testing I think, I can't find it |
| 15:25.38 | wols | ,versions dillo |
| 15:25.39 | judd | dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1; sid: 0.8.6-3 |
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| 15:26.29 | remmy | babilen, thank you :) |
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| 15:26.52 | rooisto47 | wols, so I've to compile it ! |
| 15:26.58 | babilen | remmy: Is there anything in particular you would like to achieve? |
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| 15:27.05 | Aldous | azeem: sorry, didn't read correctly :-) |
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| 15:28.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hey guys I was trying to find Emerald, the window decorator, and I didn't see it. Is that because its too buggy or is there some other reason? I just wasn't sure. |
| 15:28.30 | themill | Aldous: the root packages look like they're a mess. They *should* be ok in lenny, but from squeeze onwards they are possibly uninstallable. |
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| 15:29.00 | remmy | babilen, I'd like to be able to have my machine go to sleep and wake up from sleep properly. With Mandriva it does, so I know at least the hardware is capable of it. But with Debian, I just end up with a black screen. |
| 15:29.38 | remmy | Been trying to follow the instructions on getting the nvidia drivers, no luck. Even went to the trouble of getting kernel 2.6.34-rc2 to use nouveau, but still no go. |
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| 15:33.20 | babilen | remmy: That could have a couple of reasons - I never used nvidia, but ran into that problem when I used the fglrx driver (some time ago), but haven't experienced anything like it with the radeonhd driver. But that information does not help you at all :-D |
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| 15:34.16 | matmatmat | hm thats weird, now all rtp streams are screwed and only hd works without interruptions |
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| 15:34.24 | remmy | babilen: I appreciate your input and thoughts though :) I see there is also a package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64, but it tells me that it depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 which doesn't seem to exist |
| 15:34.30 | matmatmat | oh wrong channel |
| 15:34.36 | wols | remmy: what did you do to get nvidia drivers? |
| 15:34.39 | Aldous | themill: thanks, I'll see what can do |
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| 15:35.22 | babilen | remmy: There are various methods to install NVIDIA drivers "the Debian way". "/msg dpkg nvidia" to learn about them. How did you install the drivers? |
| 15:35.57 | remmy | I tried them all I think... followed instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:36.53 | wols | remmy: what kernel version do you have and what videochip? |
| 15:37.25 | remmy | GeForce 9400 GT |
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| 15:37.49 | remmy | Right now I'm booted into 2.6.34-rc2, but I also have the default squeeze amd64 kernels |
| 15:38.16 | wols | doesn't matter. both work the same way |
| 15:38.26 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:38.28 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1 |
| 15:38.51 | babilen | !nvidia squeeze |
| 15:38.51 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 15:39.14 | babilen | wasn't that ^^^ necessary to get nvidia driver working in squeeze, or is that already obsoleted? |
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| 15:39.46 | wols | sorta obsolete since squeeze has now nvidia drivers. in his case it is all necessary since squeeze drivers don't support his chip |
| 15:40.02 | wols | babilen: I'd keep it the way it is |
| 15:40.25 | wols | remmy: the factoid above is the way to get working nvidia drivers |
| 15:40.27 | remmy | wols: I should be able to do that using my current 2.6.34 kernel? |
| 15:40.33 | maligor | I have my doubts that 173.14.09 kernel module would compile against 2.6.34 |
| 15:40.52 | wols | yes. IF you have kernel headers for this kernel |
| 15:41.05 | wols | maligor: it doesn't support his chip either |
| 15:41.08 | babilen | maligor: The factoid explains how to get 190.53-1 installed in squeeze |
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| 15:41.45 | remmy | Lemme try that, thanks for the help so far |
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| 15:42.20 | babilen | remmy: "/msg dpkg tum" (== ask me about <tum>) |
| 15:43.08 | babilen | remmy: If in doubt paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list before you unintentionally upgrade your system to sid :) |
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| 15:47.05 | remmy | babilen, I was about to say I'm not that clueless, then I saw I made a typo in editing my sources.list :-( |
| 15:47.42 | babilen | remmy: Better safe than sorry - And I don't know about your Debian experience |
| 15:48.19 | remmy | babilen, I know :) And I'm not an expert like most in here. |
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| 15:52.28 | remmy | It fails at this step " m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx", it offers me to show the build log, but I don't see how I can scroll down in that |
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| 15:53.56 | remmy | m-a clean seems to do the trick |
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| 16:05.42 | whalalla | how can I download the newer kernels (non vanilla ) for debian amd64? The experimental ones? Could you give me the exact command? |
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| 16:07.28 | whalalla | I mean can I use the -t in apt? |
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| 16:08.37 | remmy | babilen, wols, that seems to have worked. Building the module gave an error, patching the nvidia source as per http://www.fell.it/2010/02/25/2-6-33-debian-lenny-nvidia-and-vbox/ seems to have helped. |
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| 16:09.11 | babilen | remmy: yay! |
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| 16:10.14 | remmy | I'll go reboot now, I'll be back if it worked... and probably also if it didn't work, lol |
| 16:10.25 | wols | do not reboot! |
| 16:10.31 | wols | why the heck would you reboot? |
| 16:10.44 | babilen | remmy: Just restart your X server! |
| 16:10.49 | wols | whalalla: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:11.24 | remmy | Well... I need to shut x down anyways |
| 16:11.40 | remmy | I dunno how to do that without kdm kicking in time and again |
| 16:11.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.51 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.16 | remmy | remmy@silvertown:~$ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:14.17 | remmy | (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 16:14.22 | remmy | Awesome, thank you guys :) |
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| 16:15.02 | babilen | remmy: \o/ |
| 16:15.08 | babilen | !congratulate remmy |
| 16:15.08 | dpkg | Yay remmy, you did it! |
| 16:15.32 | remmy | Not without your help and that of wols :) |
| 16:15.35 | wols | good job |
| 16:15.43 | babilen | I mean it :) |
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| 16:15.59 | remmy | How can I thank you other than saying thank you? |
| 16:15.59 | wols | remmy: people like you make one believe sunday isn't cursed, just a little bit :) |
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| 16:16.14 | remmy | wols: I'm glad you got up this morning, lol |
| 16:16.16 | wols | remmy: nothing needed. we like it when people learn something |
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| 16:16.38 | dazikas | wols, you can hardly count that as "work" more like "pleasure" and that's what sunday is for |
| 16:16.40 | dazikas | :P |
| 16:16.41 | remmy | And now for the big test.... see if I can go to sleep and wake up from it properly |
| 16:16.54 | remmy | Back in a bit I hope :) |
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| 16:17.01 | remmy | I = my computer in this case, lol |
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| 16:17.41 | aguitel | anyone try to install squeeze with dvd #1 ? |
| 16:17.52 | jetole | does anyone know how to install only packages you ask for how to say not to install certain packages with preseed? |
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| 16:19.31 | mezod | what should i install to a dedicated server with lenny in order to use it as website host? does anyone know any tutorial about that? |
| 16:20.19 | babilen | mezod: You want to use it as a webserver? Apache comes to mind :) |
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| 16:21.03 | jetole | mezod: nginx is also an option |
| 16:21.15 | jetole | in fact I think the linux kernel has a built http server |
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| 16:21.45 | mezod | babilen yes, i only need apache? i mean i dont know anything about the DNS things, shouldnt i configure something in order to get domains to work? |
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| 16:22.19 | babilen | mezod: Yes, that depends on your registrar .. |
| 16:22.24 | wols | dns is not configured at your end. it is configured on a (public) DNS server |
| 16:22.48 | mezod | so i'd only need to know my host ip? |
| 16:22.52 | wols | babilen: no one who asks a question like he did should ever run a DNS server himself |
| 16:22.59 | babilen | mezod: You probably bought the domain name somewhere and that is exactly where you would configure your DNS entry (on their DNS servers) |
| 16:23.07 | wols | mezod: yes. but you can't just take your cable modem IP |
| 16:23.08 | jetole | mezod: you probably don't need a dns server but if you do look into tinydns, part of the djbdns package but if you are referring to virtual hosts in apache i.e. having apache serve multiple web sites like www.site1.com, www.site2.com etc then you can do that with apache but I would read the docs at that point if I were you |
| 16:23.27 | mezod | wols its a dedicated server ip |
| 16:23.40 | jetole | mezod: then apache is the right answer |
| 16:23.41 | pipeline | running your own dns is like running your own mail |
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| 16:23.44 | pipeline | it only LOOKS easy |
| 16:23.55 | jetole | pipeline: running dns is easy |
| 16:23.58 | jetole | :D |
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| 16:24.13 | wols | doing it well, however is not |
| 16:24.14 | jetole | mezod: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
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| 16:24.28 | mezod | well, the truth is that i have no idea of how does everything of that work, thats why i asked for some kind of tut that explained every single step :P |
| 16:24.50 | mezod | jetole thanks |
| 16:24.53 | battro | What's the best command for sending mail via a bash script? It has to be able to use an external smtp server. I'm trying to get exim4 to work but it seems way too complicated for such a simple task |
| 16:25.08 | jetole | running dns requires getting your feet wet but once you're used to it, it's not that hard... then again I have been running DNS servers since back sometime around 98 |
| 16:25.16 | jelly-home | pzn: I s'pose it's possible mail retries the /usr/sbin/sendmail transaction if it fails first time itself |
| 16:25.23 | jetole | battro: mail command part of gnu mail utils |
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| 16:25.55 | babilen | mezod: Read the apache docs. The one on the apache website (linked for your convencience by jetole) and the ones that are shipped with the Debian package. Start to configure your server in the most secure way possible .. But read the documentation! |
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| 16:26.35 | jetole | babilen: with that level of newbie lets just ask him to be able to configure the server first before we worry about security |
| 16:27.13 | mezod | hehe, it's not for any kind of business, just to learn/own use |
| 16:27.40 | jetole | mezod: with all due respect, we all know it's for you to learn |
| 16:27.59 | battro | jetole: I tried regular mail and sendmail (which is aliased to exim4's executable). Neither allows me to specify the message, subject, server, password, etc all on one line |
| 16:28.04 | wols | jetole: you haven't been here when admins on a job ask questions... |
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| 16:28.20 | wols | battro: mail does |
| 16:28.29 | pipeline | battro: mail, mailx, sendmail all expect to talk to a local server. They're not SMTP clients. |
| 16:28.31 | jetole | wols: what? |
| 16:28.35 | babilen | mezod: The best way to learn is to read a lot of documentation and try to implement the things you've understood on your server. Just don't expect this to be easy! It takes time to learn, but it is worth every minute you do it. |
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| 16:29.18 | wols | jetole: many admins ask questions which they should know themselves long before getting hired as one |
| 16:29.18 | battro | pipegeek: what is a good smtp client? |
| 16:29.21 | jetole | battro: I typically use mail on a system that is also running an MTA although I have never used exim as I prefer postfix and typically any system running postfix trusts 127.0.0.1 so you don't need a pass |
| 16:29.36 | battro | jetole: I am not running a mail server |
| 16:29.39 | wols | pipeline: what are they then when not a MUA? |
| 16:29.48 | wols | battro: then your debian is broken |
| 16:29.58 | jetole | battro: as for subject, you can use the -s flag, for most other options, I think you need to specify those in the mail headers |
| 16:30.03 | jetole | I typically pipe input into mail |
| 16:30.06 | wols | battro: debian isntalls a mailserver always. no exceptions |
| 16:30.11 | jetole | battro: then set one up |
| 16:30.16 | battro | I need to connect to my isp's mail server (smtp) because my isp forbids any external traffic on port 25 which doesn't go there |
| 16:30.16 | babilen | battro: Just configure exim4 as smarthost and use that to send mail you deliver locally to your MTA |
| 16:30.19 | jetole | battro: or look into programs like mutt and alpine |
| 16:31.00 | babilen | battro: mutt might also be a good option - But you *are* running a MTA right now. You just need to configure it, so that it is able to deliver your mail. |
| 16:31.16 | jetole | battro: the end user shouldn't even connect to an MTA on port 25 in this day and age anyways. All mail from the end user should use TLS/SSL over port 587 |
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| 16:31.25 | jetole | but yeah, not all admins allow that |
| 16:31.36 | battro | jetole: I am limited by what my isp allows |
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| 16:32.18 | jetole | battro: whatever. I'd setup postfix if I were you but either way I think you should have a local MTA running |
| 16:32.31 | battro | why? |
| 16:33.04 | babilen | !start an mta war |
| 16:33.05 | dpkg | Exim has an evil license. |
| 16:33.16 | jetole | heh |
| 16:33.28 | battro | isn't exim gpl? |
| 16:33.33 | jetole | what license does exim use? Again, I use postfix |
| 16:33.35 | babilen | battro: It's a joke |
| 16:33.48 | jetole | /me didn't get it either |
| 16:33.54 | battro | oh okay |
| 16:34.16 | babilen | dpkg: bad bot |
| 16:34.16 | dpkg | :( |
| 16:34.32 | dutchfish | !postfix |
| 16:34.33 | jetole | oookay... so moving on |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:34.54 | battro | well i just want something simple that i can do "blahmail -subject 'foo' -message 'bar' -server 'foobar'" etc, does something like that exist? I don't really need to configure mail for the server as I'm the only one on it |
| 16:35.04 | babilen | battro: As you already have exim4 installed and you just need to configure it to act as smarthost i would just use that. Postfix has its merits, but you don't really have a reason to change the default MTA in Debian |
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| 16:35.19 | jetole | I've also heard a lot of good things about qmail which was written by dj bernstein also but I have never used it |
| 16:35.38 | babilen | !qmail |
| 16:35.39 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free>, now public domain, but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html #qmail on irc.freenode.net. See also <mta>. |
| 16:35.52 | jetole | afaik when you install postfix via apt-get it configures satellite mail for you through a couple prompts |
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| 16:36.13 | babilen | jetole: Read the ITP ^^^ |
| 16:36.19 | jetole | I use puppet to configure postfix on my hosts but I seem to remember doing that before |
| 16:36.28 | jetole | babilen: what is a ITP? |
| 16:37.10 | battro | Islamabad Traffic Police, a traffic police force in Islamabad, Pakistan. |
| 16:37.29 | babilen | jetole: Intend to package (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318) |
| 16:37.32 | jetole | is that another joke |
| 16:37.37 | battro | I guess he really wants you to know Pakistani traffic laws |
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| 16:37.44 | jetole | I guess |
| 16:37.44 | jetole | lol |
| 16:37.45 | babilen | battro: har har |
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| 16:43.35 | dazikas | flood yay |
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| 16:43.35 | yucatan | hello guys can somebody assist me in installing opendchub on my system |
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| 16:43.37 | babilen | yucatan: It has a Debian package |
| 16:43.37 | babilen | ,versions opendchub |
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| 16:43.37 | babilen | gah, judd is a netsplit victim |
| 16:43.38 | sander | Anyone know about a text based tool which can give me the bandwith used to each remote ipadress? |
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| 16:44.08 | sander | ..Which can be logged to a file.. or something. |
| 16:44.21 | xand | sander: iftop? |
| 16:44.48 | yucatan | babilen i know |
| 16:44.52 | xand | not sure about logging |
| 16:45.32 | yucatan | but do u know the default port of dc++? |
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| 16:46.09 | babilen | yucatan: no |
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| 16:46.10 | yucatan | i cant find it anyware |
| 16:46.10 | jetole | sendmail is complex to setup compared to most other MTA |
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| 16:46.10 | jetole | why do you want to use sendmail |
| 16:46.11 | battro | because it's easier than configuring a bunch of stuff i will never use again |
| 16:46.11 | babilen | yucatan: The documentation at /usr/share/doc/opendchub/ might provide some clues. Especially README.Debian |
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| 16:46.16 | jetole | battro: clearly you have never set any of these up |
| 16:46.25 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 16:46.28 | babilen | battro: Why don't you just "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" --> choose smarthost and be done with it? |
| 16:46.29 | jetole | battro: go for it. Have fun |
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| 16:55.51 | babilen | jetole: oh, i see you made some "progress" during the netsplit :) |
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| 16:55.52 | battro | sendemail -f sender -t recipient -m 'message' -s smtpserver-xu username -xp password |
| 16:55.52 | battro | i don't need any more than that |
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| 16:55.53 | jetole | battro: funny. That command works on postfix |
| 16:55.53 | jetole | literally |
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| 16:55.54 | jetole | anyways I don't care. Install sendmail if you want |
| 16:55.54 | battro | sendemail, not sendmail |
| 16:56.22 | battro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SendEmail |
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| 16:56.23 | jetole | oh |
| 16:56.23 | jetole | huh |
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| 16:56.25 | battro | not a server or whatever the hell else you guys were trying to get me to use |
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| 16:57.11 | jetole | progress? |
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| 16:57.26 | jetole | babilen: progress? |
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| 16:57.42 | babilen | jetole: well, looks as if the wants to install sendmail now (why escapes me though) |
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| 17:00.17 | jetole | babilen: which yeah, that through me off too because I thought he wanted to install sendmail |
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| 17:00.49 | jetole | babilen: thats what I said |
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| 17:01.37 | jetole | babilen: but it's real and it's not sendmail |
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| 17:02.02 | jetole | babilen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SendEmail |
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| 17:02.04 | babilen | jetole: thanks - see you later |
| 17:02.04 | jetole | babilen: I think so but I don't know. He came up with it and it seems neat |
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| 17:02.04 | jetole | babilen: later |
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| 17:02.32 | fantasticulous | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/66296/ |
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| 17:09.00 | babilen | fantasticulous: I'll be back later - Could you try a different host? something that produces output (news.bbc.co.uk for example) |
| 17:09.00 | babilen | fantasticulous: If it really is ipv6 relates: /msg dpkg noipv6 |
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| 17:09.06 | fantasticulous | ok |
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| 17:09.21 | fantasticulous | makes same output |
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| 17:30.46 | FreenodeIsDying | time to move to OFTC |
| 17:30.47 | FreenodeIsDying | imho |
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| 17:31.36 | FreenodeIsDying | yeah |
| 17:31.39 | FreenodeIsDying | this is disgusting |
| 17:31.45 | azeem | FreenodeIsDying: stop trolling, please |
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| 17:31.55 | FreenodeIsDying | azeem: how is this trolling |
| 17:32.01 | wols | is there a way to install debian TO a usb stick? is there a factoid for it? |
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| 17:32.02 | azeem | FreenodeIsDying: it's at least off-topic |
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| 17:32.10 | FreenodeIsDying | watching all these channels getting flooded with ping timeouts |
| 17:32.14 | FreenodeIsDying | is a joke |
| 17:32.20 | FreenodeIsDying | freenode is trolling everyone |
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| 17:32.25 | FreenodeIsDying | all the way to the bank |
| 17:32.27 | efaistos | my mouse is crazy ... any idea what I can do ? |
| 17:32.27 | lindi- | wols: sure, it's mass storage just like hdd |
| 17:32.30 | wols | azeem: please remove him |
| 17:32.30 | FreenodeIsDying | and it's not offtopic |
| 17:32.40 | azeem | FreenodeIsDying: if you don't have a Debian question, please either keep quiet or leave |
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| 17:32.44 | wols | lindi-: again. is there a guide? and it's not like any other. booting it isn't |
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| 17:32.49 | lindi- | wols: just use normal installer? |
| 17:32.58 | FreenodeIsDying | azeem: where do I recommend that debian move to a better network? |
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| 17:33.01 | lindi- | wols: it boots just normally here on my aspire one |
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| 17:33.14 | wols | apparently not on everyone's hardware |
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| 17:33.16 | azeem | FreenodeIsDying: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 17:33.21 | lindi- | wols: how does it fail? |
| 17:33.30 | nkuttler | wols: does your bios support booting from usb? |
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| 17:34.06 | wols | not mine (another debian channel). syslinux booted for him, grub did not. the same install worked on other hardware with grub tho |
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| 17:35.18 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if it would be possible to speed up a dd from /dev/urandom by taking it from multiple computers over the network |
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| 17:43.21 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: why read urandom if you want fast random numbers? |
| 17:43.22 | Sebby | hello, i have made a private network .. is composed of 2 x Pentium 3 machines one of them has Debian installed and acts as router for the 2nd, i tried to upload some files from one machine to the other one and saw the speed is small comparing when i download from the internet , Any ideea why? |
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| 17:43.53 | JyZyXEL | lindi-: but it needs to be crypto safe |
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| 17:44.23 | rubidious | Sebby do you have any firewalls sniffing the traffic between the two? |
| 17:44.37 | JyZyXEL | and im sure with lots of computers it would be fast |
| 17:44.48 | rubidious | also are your disks bottlenecking it? |
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| 17:46.32 | Sebby | well.. i use a script for iptables, its job is to share the internet , the HDD are old .. came with the PC`s |
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| 17:47.08 | Sebby | and i also use dhcp3-server to asign ip to the 2nd machine |
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| 17:49.34 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: urandom is not cryptosafe |
| 17:49.42 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: what made you think it is? |
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| 17:59.45 | JyZyXEL | lindi-: yea it is? |
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| 18:00.21 | roe | I am running squeeze, and I absent mindedly did a dist-upgrade, and it seems to have removed gnome |
| 18:00.28 | stuckey | I'm trying to delete all files ending in .flac from a folder. Doing find -name "*.flac" doesn't display the files, but ls -lhR | grep flac does. |
| 18:00.34 | stuckey | How can I go through and delete all of the files? |
| 18:00.45 | roe | and due to package dependency issues, I eem to be unable to re-install gnome |
| 18:00.47 | stuckey | I think this has something to do with the file names having weird characters in them. |
| 18:00.50 | azeem | stuckey: you missed the path for find |
| 18:01.08 | stuckey | azeem: find . -name '*.flac'? |
| 18:01.13 | azeem | yes |
| 18:01.16 | stuckey | azeem: still doesn't work |
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| 18:01.40 | wols | roe: is libgnome* installed? |
| 18:01.44 | azeem | stuckey: then they don't end in .flac |
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| 18:01.56 | wols | stuckey: find . -name *.flac |
| 18:02.16 | roe | wols, depending on the value of '*' , some are some aren't |
| 18:02.18 | stuckey | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/66305/ |
| 18:02.40 | wols | roe: is libgnome installed? |
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| 18:03.41 | roe | I have not package libgnome, I have a package libgnome2-0 and it is not installed |
| 18:03.46 | roe | I have no*... |
| 18:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | I have two nearly identical source lists - only difference I can see is order - yet one system finds adobe-flashplugin and the other doesn't. Where did I get that package? |
| 18:06.39 | roe | shouldn't that be in 'non-free'? |
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| 18:07.26 | azeem | jhutchins_lt: probably the package got removed from the repositories, but is still installed on your system |
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| 18:07.58 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Is there a way to tell how it was installed, or where from? |
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| 18:09.19 | stuckey | azeem: Did you see the paste? |
| 18:09.26 | azeem | stuckey: yes |
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| 18:09.52 | dvs | roe: what error message do you get when you try and install gnome? |
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| 18:10.39 | roe | dvs, lots of unment dependencies, I am working on tracing back starting from trying to install libgnome2-0 which actual package is holding me back |
| 18:10.42 | stuckey | azeem: They end in flac. |
| 18:11.00 | roe | it looks like python2.5-minimal |
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| 18:11.04 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: if it was installed as a packages maybe /var/lib/cache/apt/archives should list the package and date (if you not cleaned it) |
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| 18:11.22 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: On one system I do have flashplugin-nonfree, the other has adobe-flashplugin. |
| 18:11.47 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: the later was not a package in lenny/squeze as far as i know |
| 18:12.04 | roe | can someone with a gui confirm that python2.5-minimal is at version 2.5.2-15+lenny1 in squeeze? |
| 18:12.05 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: at least not an official one |
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| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: I do not appear to have /var/lib/cache |
| 18:12.21 | roe | and that a newer version isn't available? |
| 18:12.43 | roe | it looks like I need 2.5.5-4 (at least) |
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| 18:12.50 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: sorry, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Found, but not the package. |
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| 18:14.12 | dvs | roe: squeeze is at 2.5.5-2 |
| 18:14.43 | roe | hrm |
| 18:14.46 | dvs | roe: unstable is at 2.5.5-4 |
| 18:15.10 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: you can also check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:15.29 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: but if it is along time ago, it will prolly be compressed |
| 18:15.52 | roe | so perhaps the python2.5 package dependencies are broken? |
| 18:15.58 | stuckey | azeem: Do you know why it doesn't see the files? |
| 18:16.13 | azeem | no, maybe due to the non-ascii chars |
| 18:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't say what the source was. |
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| 18:17.58 | roe | apt-cache policy shows me having 2.5.5-2 installed |
| 18:18.11 | stuckey | azeem: how can I get rid of those characters? |
| 18:18.34 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: can you give me the outcome of: dpkg -l | grep "adobe-flashplugin" |
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| 18:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | adobe-flashplugin 10.0.32.18-1 |
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| 18:19.40 | Brasileiro | Hello Im at the terminal on debian linux , doing ls -a / cd .xchat2 xchatlogs / and I want to see the logs but the list is damn big and I cant see it all , what can I do to see this list on text mode / |
| 18:19.42 | Brasileiro | ? |
| 18:19.52 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: _Old_ |
| 18:20.18 | olorin_ | Brasileiro: Add |less or more? |
| 18:20.20 | roe | it would seem that the python2.5 package is asking for at python2.5-minimal to = 2.5.2-15+lenny1 and rejecting 2.5.5-4 |
| 18:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, yet it place a myspace video that the current flashplugin-nonfree won't. |
| 18:20.42 | Brasileiro | olorin_: what ?! |
| 18:20.47 | frakson | Brasileiro: ls -a / cd .xchat2 xchatlogs | less |
| 18:20.56 | Brasileiro | let me try. |
| 18:21.00 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: yes, its a manually installed package, one from adobe |
| 18:21.03 | jhutchins_lt | Is it likely I grabbed the ubuntu deb from adobe? |
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| 18:22.05 | Brasileiro | frakson: still not showing the entire list |
| 18:22.26 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: possible, not sure about that |
| 18:22.34 | Brasileiro | frakson: a got it |
| 18:22.40 | Brasileiro | just pressing enter show the rest |
| 18:22.40 | olorin_ | :-) |
| 18:22.41 | frakson | You can scrool le list with uper and lower arrows |
| 18:22.41 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: but it wa snot from a debian repo |
| 18:22.48 | frakson | :) |
| 18:22.57 | Brasileiro | thx |
| 18:23.03 | frakson | yw :) |
| 18:23.06 | dvs | row: in squeeze, python2.5 is only a recommended package |
| 18:24.06 | roe | how do I install a different version of the a package that is displayed in apt-cache policy? |
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| 18:24.12 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: no it is not :) |
| 18:24.35 | jelly-home | judd: versions python2.5-minimal |
| 18:24.38 | judd | python2.5-minimal -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1; etch-security: 2.5-5+etch2; lenny: 2.5.2-15; lenny-security: 2.5.2-15+lenny1; squeeze: 2.5.5-2; sid: 2.5.5-4 |
| 18:25.05 | JyZyXEL | /dev/urandom will fill the disk with "random" data. It won't be as random as /dev/random though, but it's the best practical solution available. It will protect you against a full cryptoanalytic attack |
| 18:25.09 | roe | it looks like apt is trying to install a version from security, instead of from squeeze |
| 18:25.36 | dvs | that's strange: python2.5 and python2.5-minimal are at the same version in squeeze |
| 18:25.42 | JyZyXEL | and thats what all the tutorials, manuals and documentation i've ever read say |
| 18:26.02 | dvs | roe: so update security to use squeeze instead of lenny |
| 18:26.05 | roe | dvs, yes, but apt wants to use the version of python2.5 from security (lenny) |
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| 18:26.36 | roe | will try |
| 18:26.42 | dvs | roe: so update /etc/apt/sources.list to use security for squeeze instead of lenny |
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| 18:28.11 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: if you are keen to save the oldie, you might manually copy and place it over in the ~/.mozilla/plugin directory as a hack around |
| 18:28.29 | rgr_ | since my locale is set correctly shouldnt my debianm/gnome have auto changed the time today? |
| 18:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: I think I probably downloaded the .deb from adobe. |
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| 18:28.51 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: possible |
| 18:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: All I'm really after is to get zeroum's music from their myspace page playing on my wife's PC. |
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| 18:29.19 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: lenny? |
| 18:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | Um...yeah. |
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| 18:30.54 | roe | well I got a bit further, but still in dependency hell |
| 18:31.36 | roe | any idea if the virtual package 'gnome-desktop-environment' is in working condition in squeeze? |
| 18:32.30 | dvs | ,versions gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:32.31 | judd | gnome-desktop-environment -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+6; squeeze: 1:2.28+6 |
| 18:32.53 | roe | sure, but should it work, I know it is there |
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| 18:33.36 | dvs | it should |
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| 18:33.50 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: if this is lenny up 2 date, you can download the flashplayer10_1_p3_linux_022310.tar.gz from there site and place the lib in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 18:34.00 | roe | ok, then I will keep poking until I can get it installed |
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| 18:34.38 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: I just grabbed the deb and installed it (to both systems so this one would update). |
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| 18:34.43 | jimcooncat | Is anyone using x2go with their linode? What do you think of it? |
| 18:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | I was really wondering if the deb system could track the source of an installed package somehow. |
| 18:35.30 | krion | anyone seen a regression about copying email in sent folder using thunderbird on an courier imapd ? |
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| 18:35.46 | JyZyXEL | cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -y luksFormat /dev/sda1 |
| 18:35.48 | JyZyXEL | Command failed: Can not access device |
| 18:35.50 | JyZyXEL | what the hell? |
| 18:35.57 | jimcooncat | sorry, posted to wrong channel |
| 18:35.59 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: not, as far as i know to that level |
| 18:36.02 | stuckey | Does anyone know how I can search a directori for certain files (ones that end in .flac) and delete them? |
| 18:36.06 | krion | it's newly update etch to lenny server |
| 18:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | As is so often the case with proprietary software, adobe doesn't quite play by the rules, and the filename is not the same as what dpkg reports was installed. |
| 18:36.25 | krion | stuckey: look about find exec and rm |
| 18:36.33 | JyZyXEL | oh shit it was still mounted thats the reason |
| 18:36.46 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: thats why i prefer the method as i just gave |
| 18:36.48 | stuckey | krion: http://paste.debian.net/66305/ <-- doesn't work |
| 18:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | krion: find now has an explicit remove command. |
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| 18:37.44 | krion | jhutchins_lt: even better then :) |
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| 18:38.00 | dvs | stuckey: ls -hR | grep flac | xargs rm |
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| 18:38.57 | stuckey | dvs: xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option |
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| 18:39.54 | dvs | stuckey: have to erase "I'm singing in the rain" manually |
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| 18:40.12 | stuckey | dvs: What? |
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| 18:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: This would be fairly easy with a graphical file browser or mc. |
| 18:40.41 | dvs | stuckey: -rw-r--r-- 1 stuckey stuckey 5.6M 2010-03-28 10:47 Four Songs by Bj. Bj�nson, Op.21 - To Springtime, My Song I'm Singing09.flac |
| 18:40.44 | dvs | - |
| 18:40.58 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I don't see how |
| 18:41.07 | dvs | stuckey: The "I'm" is being interpreted as a single quote |
| 18:41.20 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Sort by file type, hightlight range, remove? |
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| 18:43.26 | roe | how do I force a packge to be installed even if the version number is smaller than what is currently installed? |
| 18:43.30 | krion | anyone using courier imapd ? |
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| 18:43.54 | krion | i'm newly having this error when my mail client try to copy message into sent folder |
| 18:43.56 | roe | krion, switched to dovecot a few years ago |
| 18:43.58 | krion | NO Invalid mailbox name |
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| 18:44.18 | krion | looks like something change since i dist-ugrade |
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| 18:44.43 | krion | looks related to altnamespace but not sure... |
| 18:45.51 | krion | that's to bad the sent folder behaviour is not normalized in the imap rfc |
| 18:46.16 | stuckey | dvs: and the rest? |
| 18:46.33 | roe | I thought apt-get install -t squeeze <package> would do it, but it doesn't |
| 18:46.35 | stuckey | dvs: I'd say it has something to do with the ?-character. |
| 18:46.54 | dvs | stuckey: I don't know |
| 18:47.08 | dvs | stuckey: I thought xargs would take care of it |
| 18:47.12 | krion | roe: wish i did the same |
| 18:47.17 | krion | the dspam plugin |
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| 18:47.28 | krion | the sieve plugin too, huuuum <3 |
| 18:47.56 | stuckey | how can I get the whole path with ls? |
| 18:48.40 | dvs | ls -1 ? |
| 18:48.42 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: what about rm /<path>/*.flac? |
| 18:49.13 | dazikas | u mean pwd ? |
| 18:49.20 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: it's a huge directory with many subdirectories. |
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| 18:49.35 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: -r then |
| 18:49.41 | stuckey | I need to just write a script that goes through and deletes all flac |
| 18:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: rm -r /<path>/*.flac |
| 18:50.38 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: what do I put for <path>? |
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| 18:51.15 | hleco | hi all... |
| 18:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | Srsly? /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010 |
| 18:51.38 | stuckey | What? |
| 18:51.39 | matmatmat | i got a debian system installed on a hd, can i install from that system to another hd? |
| 18:52.09 | stuckey | oh |
| 18:52.17 | matmatmat | or do i have to make a bootable disk of something? |
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| 18:52.42 | stuckey | hmm... no |
| 18:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | !details |
| 18:52.57 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 18:52.57 | stuckey | This is frustrating. My skills aren't up to this task. |
| 18:53.11 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: If you're directing that towards me I gave details in full. |
| 18:53.16 | stuckey | I want to kill some flac files. |
| 18:53.26 | stuckey | That's the goal here. |
| 18:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | You're making it harder than it has to be. |
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| 18:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | You repleid "hmmm... no" - not much detail there. |
| 18:53.56 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: This doesn't help me kill flac files. |
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| 18:54.09 | stuckey | If you know how, you can tell me. The examples you've given me do not work. |
| 18:54.17 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, why is there a "lt" at the back of your nick ? |
| 18:54.22 | stuckey | One can't do rm -r *.flac |
| 18:54.28 | themill | stuckey: why not? |
| 18:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: HOW SPECIFICALLY DO THEY NOT WORK!? |
| 18:54.39 | dazikas | stuckey, u doing this from root? |
| 18:54.47 | stuckey | themill: rm: cannot remove `23-03-2010/*.flac': No such file or directory |
| 18:54.49 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: Sometimes I run multiple IRC clients. |
| 18:54.50 | dvs | dazikas: bad idea |
| 18:54.51 | dutchfish | !tell matmatmat about debootstrap |
| 18:54.57 | stuckey | dazikas: No as user. |
| 18:55.04 | jhutchins_lt | dazikas: _lt, _wk |
| 18:55.20 | dazikas | stuckey, u sure thouse files belong to that user ur doing from? |
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| 18:55.23 | stuckey | themill: I assume because that is not the way rm works. |
| 18:55.24 | themill | stuckey: and "ls 23-03-2010/*.flac" says |
| 18:55.25 | dazikas | jhutchins_lt, ok :) |
| 18:55.47 | stuckey | themill: Yeah there's no flac in that directory. |
| 18:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010 |
| 18:56.22 | themill | stuckey: so what exactly did you expect it to do? |
| 18:56.41 | dazikas | stuckey, do you even know what youre trying to do?.. |
| 18:56.51 | stuckey | themill: http://paste.debian.net/66305/ <-- I want these files to go away. |
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| 18:57.03 | stuckey | dazikas: " |
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| 18:57.34 | themill | stuckey: note that you used -R for ls there. That means they could be in subdirectories. |
| 18:57.59 | dazikas | mm |
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| 18:58.01 | dazikas | soo german |
| 18:58.02 | dazikas | :) |
| 18:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Is there anything there that you do NOT want to delete? |
| 18:58.09 | stuckey | themill: They *are* in subdirectores. |
| 18:58.10 | stuckey | 14:02 < stuckey> I'm trying to delete all files ending in .flac from a folder. Doing find -name "*.flac" doesn't display the files, but ls -lhR | grep flac does. |
| 18:58.13 | stuckey | 14:02 < stuckey> How can I go through and delete all of the files? |
| 18:58.26 | themill | stuckey: so use fine. /msg dpkg using find |
| 18:58.53 | stuckey | themill: Did you see http://paste.debian.net/66305/ ? |
| 18:59.00 | themill | wonders how many times we're going to go around this circle |
| 18:59.02 | stuckey | Not being a smart ass. Seriously, read that. |
| 18:59.10 | dvs | enjoys the ride |
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| 18:59.31 | stuckey | themill: Line 41 |
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| 19:00.52 | AimHere | You tried 'find -name \*.flac' ? |
| 19:01.03 | AimHere | I mean 'find . -name \*.flac' ? |
| 19:01.14 | dazikas | he forgot a slash |
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| 19:01.34 | stuckey | That also does not work. |
| 19:01.49 | stuckey | find . -name \*.flac |
| 19:02.29 | stuckey | wants to just hose the folder with all of this garbage in it but is too interested in why find doesn't find. |
| 19:02.42 | themill | stuckey: does "find |grep flac" turn them up? |
| 19:02.56 | stuckey | themill: yes |
| 19:03.32 | AimHere | Could it be all those fancy foreign characters confusing things? |
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| 19:03.51 | stuckey | One has to think so. |
| 19:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Please be more elaborate than "does not work". |
| 19:04.16 | AimHere | You tried renaming one and seeing what happens? |
| 19:04.24 | jhutchins_lt | AimHere: It most certainly is. |
| 19:04.38 | AimHere | He's got a pastebin of the exact output there, that's quite elaborate |
| 19:05.13 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I usually am. |
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| 19:05.44 | pengol | hi there how do I search bugs in the kernel package? |
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| 19:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | [14:00] <stuckey> That also does not work. |
| 19:07.23 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Again, do you know that there are files that are not .flac in that directory? |
| 19:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | pengol: Have them stand with their arms out and pat their pockets? |
| 19:08.33 | pengol | :D |
| 19:08.33 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Yes |
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| 19:08.48 | oal_ | Debian or Ubuntu for servers? |
| 19:09.00 | dondelelcaro | oal_: this is #debian, so guess. |
| 19:09.19 | oal_ | Asked the same in #ubuntu |
| 19:09.28 | stuckey | How do I list folders in a directory starting with the one that is the largest and have the size listed? |
| 19:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: try find . -name "*.flac" |
| 19:09.49 | pzn | I'm with trouble with imap idle real-time notifications. from what I debuged, the problem is in the communication of libfam and courier-imapd. how can I make some simple test to check libfam real-time notification? debian lenny 32bits |
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| 19:10.03 | dazikas | oal_, go to #openbsd and ask what to use, openbsd or netbsd |
| 19:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: I don't believe ls has that capability. |
| 19:10.27 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: du + sort -n will do it |
| 19:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: You could probably get the info you're looking for using du -s | sort |
| 19:10.36 | oal_ | I'll go with Debian |
| 19:10.38 | oal_ | :) |
| 19:10.43 | dazikas | wise choice |
| 19:10.48 | dvs | oal_: tell that to #ubuntu |
| 19:10.51 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:10.52 | stuckey | Yeah it just says everything is 4.0K |
| 19:10.52 | dazikas | ^^ |
| 19:10.59 | pengol | jhutchins_lt: a bug in a particular module can be reported in any kernel package ... |
| 19:11.11 | dazikas | oal_, i am sure ur telling ur going with ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 19:11.11 | dazikas | :D |
| 19:11.21 | pengol | ... how do I search for a keyword in any kernel package? |
| 19:11.22 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: yes, because that's how much space the directory takes up |
| 19:11.30 | oal_ | dazikas: Nope, I told them too that I was going with Debian |
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| 19:11.36 | dazikas | ok ^^ |
| 19:11.38 | oal_ | "Goot choice" a guy said :) |
| 19:11.40 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: it actually can get quite a bit larger than 4K |
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| 19:12.03 | oal_ | Debian 5 64 or 32 bit for a 512MB ram VPS? |
| 19:12.05 | stuckey | dondelelcaro: Do you know how I can sort all of the folders by size and have displayed the *actual* size of the folder with everything in it? |
| 19:12.09 | olorin_ | uses Lenny right now. |
| 19:12.31 | dvs | oal_: 32 bit for 512 MB |
| 19:12.52 | jhutchins_lt | This is what happens when people learn Linux by getting quick answers on IRC. |
| 19:12.56 | oal_ | dvs: Why is that better? |
| 19:13.09 | dvs | oal_: smaller, more compatable |
| 19:13.09 | dazikas | 64bit makes better use of more ram |
| 19:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Did you try that variation on find? |
| 19:13.15 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: They come back and ask questions instead of reading the manuals? |
| 19:13.19 | oal_ | Ok, thanks guys |
| 19:13.21 | dazikas | if u have 8gb let's say |
| 19:13.24 | dazikas | use 64bit |
| 19:13.30 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I went through and did it semi-manually. I've lost interest in why it didn't work. |
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| 19:13.38 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: You're well aware of that I give people a hard time. ;-) |
| 19:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: They never actually understand what they're doing and can't figure out when they've simply mistyped something. |
| 19:14.36 | stuckey | Being able to view a directory with folders by size would be a useful feature. |
| 19:14.48 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 19:14.48 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell": http://fishshell.org |
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| 19:15.31 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey:du -s <path> will return sizes, piping it through sort will order it. |
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| 19:16.37 | olorin_ | Huh! Does jhutchins_lt ignore me or something? |
| 19:17.02 | dutchfish | olorin_: what is your question? |
| 19:17.32 | dazikas | trollish one |
| 19:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Sorry, didn't see anything that provoked a response. Did I miss something? |
| 19:18.01 | JyZyXEL | "make sure that your boot loader is configured to feed the initramfs to the kernel when booting." |
| 19:18.05 | JyZyXEL | initrd /initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 19:18.07 | JyZyXEL | is it that? |
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| 19:18.19 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: I believe that your problem with find was that you were using a slightly incorrect syntax. |
| 19:18.20 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: I tried announce my presence to you in this channel. :-) |
| 19:18.23 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: eh, that just gives a total for the entire proplem |
| 19:18.27 | stuckey | entire *folder |
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| 19:18.36 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: which was it? |
| 19:19.01 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: need -h to see all the different folders |
| 19:19.02 | olorin_ | dazikas: Sorry, no trolling here. |
| 19:19.09 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. I can use . instead of the full path, but if I specify the path without a trailing slash it doesn't find anything. |
| 19:19.13 | RayzrShrp | anybody know of any pitfalls to installing debian on an external usb hd |
| 19:19.49 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Your name is familiar. |
| 19:19.57 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Perhaps from another distro? |
| 19:20.25 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: #mandriva remember? |
| 19:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Huh? -h just reports "human" units... |
| 19:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Yeah, thought so. |
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| 19:20.49 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Yet another refugee? |
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| 19:21.08 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Hehe, no, I'm using more than distro. |
| 19:21.18 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: du -s . gives: 18401872 . |
| 19:21.33 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Between the attitude in the channel and three unusable releases I'm done with that one. |
| 19:21.40 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: How did you mean to use sort to sort the results in a readable way? |
| 19:21.46 | JyZyXEL | is initrd == initramfs? |
| 19:22.26 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Well, it's still a semi free world out there... |
| 19:23.15 | jimcooncat | JyZyXEL: is that a new question, or part of a conversation? |
| 19:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: 1) Read the du man page. 2) Find a meaningful way to specify that you want the folders in a certain location. |
| 19:23.21 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: It sure works for me. |
| 19:23.24 | JyZyXEL | a quiestion |
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| 19:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Depending on context, yes. |
| 19:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: initrd is init(ial) ram disk |
| 19:24.13 | jimcooncat | JyZyXEL: answer's no. initrd has to do with startup, while initramfs is a file system used sometimes in your startup |
| 19:24.17 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: initramfs is init(ial) ram filesystem. |
| 19:24.25 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: what works for you? |
| 19:24.30 | JyZyXEL | so no? |
| 19:24.41 | JyZyXEL | how the hell do i load up a initramfs thne? |
| 19:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | du /share/music/ -s returns directories w/size. |
| 19:25.00 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: not here |
| 19:25.02 | stuckey | Strange |
| 19:25.07 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: which version do you have? |
| 19:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: use the explicit path with a trailing slash. du hasn't changed since dinosaurs. |
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| 19:25.33 | jimcooncat | JyZyXEL: wouldn't tempfs be what you're looking for? initramfs isn't something you'd normally use |
| 19:25.48 | JyZyXEL | well i need to use it now |
| 19:26.13 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: So if I'm in the directory, I do "du ./ -s"? |
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| 19:26.44 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: use the explicit path with a trailing slash. du hasn't changed since dinosaurs. |
| 19:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | explicit path: /share/music/ |
| 19:26.59 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I don't understand. |
| 19:27.07 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Okay even if I'm in . I still give the whole path? |
| 19:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | relative path: ../,,/ |
| 19:27.13 | olorin_ | absolute path |
| 19:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 19:27.32 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: stuckey@debian:/mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010$ du /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010/ -s |
| 19:27.35 | stuckey | 18401872 /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010/ |
| 19:27.45 | stuckey | Like that?' |
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| 19:28.25 | JyZyXEL | machine:/# update-initramfs -u |
| 19:28.27 | JyZyXEL | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 19:28.40 | JyZyXEL | then why the hell does initramfs make a initrd.img? |
| 19:29.03 | olorin_ | Because that is what it needs. |
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| 19:29.19 | JyZyXEL | then where does the actual initramfs go? |
| 19:29.29 | JyZyXEL | and how do i add it to grub |
| 19:29.31 | dvs | JyZyXEL: update-initramfs is a debian script that makes it the Debian way |
| 19:29.38 | JyZyXEL | makes it where? |
| 19:29.43 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Into memory during inititation. |
| 19:29.47 | JyZyXEL | does update-grub detect it automatically tthen? |
| 19:29.49 | dvs | JyZyXEL: /boot |
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| 19:30.02 | JyZyXEL | dvs: under what name |
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| 19:30.27 | dvs | JyZyXEL: /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r) |
| 19:30.31 | dvs | IIRC |
| 19:30.34 | JyZyXEL | no it doesn't |
| 19:30.48 | JyZyXEL | i ran the command and nothing like that appears |
| 19:30.57 | olorin_ | Take a peek in the GRUB config then. |
| 19:31.02 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Was that correct? |
| 19:31.05 | JyZyXEL | why |
| 19:31.12 | JyZyXEL | i don't even have the initramfs yet |
| 19:31.18 | JyZyXEL | grub doesn't have anything to do with that |
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| 19:31.46 | JyZyXEL | device-mapper: table ioctl failed: No such device or address |
| 19:31.48 | JyZyXEL | Command failed |
| 19:31.49 | dvs | JyZyXEL: did you use the -c option? |
| 19:31.50 | JyZyXEL | cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load for cryptroot |
| 19:31.54 | JyZyXEL | im not sure if that means the command fails |
| 19:32.03 | JyZyXEL | the whole command |
| 19:32.08 | JyZyXEL | or just some command it executes |
| 19:32.20 | robinetd | warning != error. |
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| 19:32.31 | JyZyXEL | but one command in the making fails |
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| 19:32.51 | JyZyXEL | update-initramfs -c |
| 19:32.53 | JyZyXEL | Create mode requires a version argument |
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| 19:33.16 | JyZyXEL | update-initramfs -c -k all |
| 19:33.18 | JyZyXEL | Cannot create version 2.6.30-1-686: already exists |
| 19:33.24 | JyZyXEL | exists but where |
| 19:33.39 | olorin_ | In /boot |
| 19:33.45 | JyZyXEL | well its not in there |
| 19:33.57 | dvs | JyZyXEL: are you running it as root? |
| 19:34.03 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 19:34.11 | RayzrShrp | can debian be installed on an external hd? |
| 19:34.17 | JyZyXEL | config-2.6.30-1-686 grub initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686.bak invaders.exec lost+found System.map-2.6.30-1-686 vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 19:34.19 | stuckey | Can anyone tell me how I can sort a folder by the size of its subfolders? |
| 19:34.24 | JyZyXEL | those are the files in /boot |
| 19:34.26 | stuckey | And also, display the size of said subfolders? |
| 19:34.30 | JyZyXEL | no initramfs |
| 19:34.31 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: by using du with sort |
| 19:34.50 | dvs | JyZyXEL: My mistake, it's called initrd.img |
| 19:34.56 | olorin_ | JyZyXEL: initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 |
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| 19:35.00 | JyZyXEL | so then initrd is initramfs |
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| 19:35.01 | stuckey | dondelelcaro: How *exactly* do I accomplish this with du and sort? |
| 19:35.06 | dvs | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 19:35.12 | JyZyXEL | so now i have yes no yes yes |
| 19:35.13 | leg- | stuckey: what? |
| 19:35.25 | dvs | majority rules |
| 19:35.31 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: man du, read about -s, and man sort, and read about -n |
| 19:35.32 | stuckey | leg-: How exactly can I sort a folder by the size of its subfolders and have the size of said subfolders displayed? |
| 19:35.41 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: it's pretty trivial |
| 19:35.43 | JyZyXEL | yea fuck this im booting and seeing if it works |
| 19:35.46 | olorin_ | JyZyXEL: It's the image which will be mounted in initramfs during boot. |
| 19:35.58 | stuckey | dondelelcaro: I don't think it is. |
| 19:36.12 | olorin_ | Reading the manuals can be... |
| 19:36.15 | dvs | JyZyXEL: should check /boot/grub/grub.cfg first to see if it's specified |
| 19:36.21 | JyZyXEL | yes it is |
| 19:36.24 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: have you read those manpages? |
| 19:36.24 | JyZyXEL | i ran update-grub |
| 19:36.32 | stuckey | dondelelcaro: Yes |
| 19:36.36 | dvs | JyZyXEL: then it should boot |
| 19:36.42 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: then what does -s do? |
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| 19:38.38 | stuckey | dondelelcaro: 15:29 < stuckey> jhutchins_lt: stuckey@debian:/mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010$ du /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010/ -s |
| 19:38.41 | stuckey | 15:29 < stuckey> 18401872 /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot/rtorrent/complete/23-03-2010/ |
| 19:38.55 | dvs | sighs |
| 19:39.05 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: I don't care about the output; what is -s supposed to do? |
| 19:39.31 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: the manpage spells it out pretty clearly |
| 19:39.48 | olorin_ | Last time I checked, even Debian had manuals. |
| 19:40.15 | dondelelcaro | olorin_: we actually have more of them than almost any other distribution |
| 19:40.24 | dvs | olorin_: Debian has manuals!?! ;-) |
| 19:40.41 | olorin_ | Strange isn't it? :-p |
| 19:41.00 | dvs | stops entering commands at random |
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| 19:41.23 | olorin_ | dondelelcaro: Hehe, yep. |
| 19:42.12 | stuckey | hates man pages. |
| 19:42.26 | stuckey | They're usually full of ambiguities and horribly vaguge sentences. |
| 19:43.07 | stuckey | Maybe they should be renamed to programmer's notes. |
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| 19:43.33 | olorin_ | Some are indeed written for hackers and not the mundane users, so I'll agree with you on that. |
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| 19:43.35 | MrWax | I have something weird, I run a Debian, Vbox Virtual Machine (almost just installed), in Bridged Mode, which means that it just assigns a new ip, and should work fine, how ever, I can connect to the ip inside the network, but the IP cannot connect outside (i.e. ping google.com) - does anyone know how I can debug and find out why it cannot connect outside? |
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| 19:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we hate people who don't even bother to read manpages |
| 19:44.21 | dondelelcaro | stuckey: most of the manpages that you'll actually read are fairly well written. There are some exceptions, but if you find them, you should file bugs |
| 19:44.28 | olorin_ | MrWax: Does the host system allow inbound connections on those ports? |
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| 19:45.00 | olorin_ | Huh, I read it a bit wrong, but you get the general idea. |
| 19:45.01 | dondelelcaro | (sometimes they *do* assume that you have a greater understanding of terminology than you may have, but that's not really the manpages fault) |
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| 19:45.52 | MrWax | olorin_: yes, its vice versa |
| 19:46.05 | olorin_ | Even the sudo man page makes sense to me. |
| 19:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWax, try pinging the "ip inside the network" that can reach it, the router and an ip on the internet |
| 19:46.34 | MrWax | CutMeOwnThroat: oh sorry i need to edit my phrase |
| 19:46.38 | MrWax | it just cannot resolve DNS.. |
| 19:46.44 | MrWax | it can ping outside www ips |
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| 19:48.00 | MrWax | i have set the gateway as the router which it can reach |
| 19:48.15 | olorin_ | Does the host forward connections? |
| 19:48.27 | MrWax | no, but thats not needed |
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| 19:49.54 | olorin_ | If it can do DNS resolutions, it means it haven't any servers... So have you looked there? |
| 19:49.59 | olorin_ | can't do* |
| 19:50.50 | olorin_ | Did you specify this while configuring VB? |
| 19:51.02 | lotek | I am running into an issue after installing Debian 504, my windows XP install (which was working) now just crashes with a BSOD.. any ideas? |
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| 19:52.16 | lotek | I actually reinstalled several times, and after the linux install, windows crashes.. |
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| 19:53.16 | R0nin | Did you even try to look up the error on the bsod? |
| 19:53.46 | lotek | yeah, I did, tons of garbage |
| 19:53.46 | olorin_ | MrWax: Oh, you can't do that... |
| 19:54.01 | lotek | all kinds of threads that lead nowhere |
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| 19:54.42 | lotek | whats odd is that it works fine, until linux gets installed, then it's as though something got moved.. (XP partition was created first, then I installed debian on free space) |
| 19:55.11 | R0nin | Its the first time I've heard that debian would cause bsods on windows... |
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| 19:55.42 | lotek | I did play with BIOS settings as some people pointed out AHCI issues, so I put my HD controller in compatible mode for SATA IDE, doesn't get me any further |
| 19:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWax, check /etc/resolv.conf? try using host with an explicit nameserver? |
| 19:55.54 | olorin_ | Borked NTLOADER, but does the GRUB entry state the correct options? |
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| 19:56.30 | lotek | R0nin: it's a pretty common problem, with various linux distros, lots of threads about ubuntu install (which I also tried to install 8.10) which gave the same issue |
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| 19:56.51 | stuckey | It is in fact possible dondelelcaro -- you'd do it like du -sh dir/* |
| 19:57.26 | olorin_ | lotek: NTLOADER still in MBR right? |
| 19:57.26 | R0nin | If it was a common problem I would have seen it before |
| 19:57.34 | lotek | olorin_: Grub seems to be ok, since I can boot into debian (I'm in it right now) and windows does start.. I can go into safe mode (where is crashes after mup.sys) or boot normally, and it just BSODs with an 0x0000007b |
| 19:57.53 | R0nin | The only thing that's changing it the bootloader |
| 19:57.57 | lotek | olorin_: not sure, how do I check if NTloader is still in the MBR? |
| 19:58.24 | olorin_ | lotek: Windows starts, so that would be a good indication. |
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| 19:58.41 | xuser | fixmbr then install grup again |
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| 19:59.02 | olorin_ | But this time try to install it to the Debian root partition. |
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| 19:59.29 | olorin_ | don't do drugs or Windows, so don't take it as kosher. |
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| 19:59.47 | lotek | olorin_: I believe fixmbr gave me some kind of "an unrecoverable problem has been detected" |
| 20:00.42 | olorin_ | lotek: What if you unistall GRUB from the MBR? |
| 20:01.51 | lotek | one odd thing, is this WD caviar drive I'm installing to, came with some kind of warning, about dual boot xp needing to be "aligned" due to the drive being Advanced Format Drive.. I did align it before installing Debian.. but same result |
| 20:01.51 | R0nin | I didn't think both could be on the mbr at the same time |
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| 20:02.10 | lotek | olorin_: I believe if I do a fixmbr, windows will boot again.. |
| 20:02.20 | lotek | but then I can't see the debian install anymore |
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| 20:02.49 | lotek | I'll try that again, since that's something I tried last time with Ubuntu.. didn't try with debian today |
| 20:02.51 | olorin_ | R0nin: It should be technically impossible, but I have seen my fair share of weirdness. |
| 20:04.03 | olorin_ | lotek: Chrooting into Debian and restoring GRUB is the less problematic bit. |
| 20:04.14 | lotek | well, gotta sign off to try it.. if windows does boot after fixmbr, then at least I know Windows isn't screwed up, and it'll pretty much narrow things down to Grub |
| 20:04.48 | lotek | yeah, thanks olorin_ and R0nin, bbiab |
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| 20:09.55 | MrWax | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks a lot, this was messed up! |
| 20:11.13 | MrWax | CutMeOwnThroat: there are 3 lines, name server is the third, this one speaks for itself, but there are 2 other entries (of our company) that i did not set, 'domain' and 'search' in /etc/resolv.conf - do you think safe to remove? |
| 20:12.48 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: No reason to. |
| 20:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: search is a list of domains that will be appended to a partial hostname. |
| 20:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: So I can resolve just "library" instead of "library.umkc.edu". |
| 20:13.39 | MrWax | ok |
| 20:13.49 | MrWax | so i should change nameserver right? |
| 20:13.55 | MrWax | to the router ip |
| 20:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: I used to include my home domain and my ISP, but I don't use the isp servers much. |
| 20:14.07 | Mousk4r | opendns? |
| 20:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | nameserver should be whatever is providing DNS. Usually there are two servers on the ISP infrastructure. They should be on different subnets. |
| 20:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: Some routers will providing a caching DNS, in which case the router is appropriate. |
| 20:15.10 | MrWax | jhutchins_lt: When I do, hostname -f I see not the desired hostname, is there a way I can change my systems hostanme? |
| 20:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell MrWax about hostname |
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| 20:18.40 | MrWax | jhutchins_lt: can you also include 2 nameserver ? |
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| 20:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: That's very common, yes. Like I said, they should be on different physical subnets ideally. |
| 20:19.21 | jhutchins_lt | MrWax: Microsoft learned that the hard way. |
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| 20:25.00 | MrWax | ok |
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| 20:25.27 | DrGamut | How can I create or view an export table for a static library (.a)? |
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| 20:26.01 | ketsa | Hello, can linux read from/write to UFS partitions ? |
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| 20:28.18 | lindi- | DrGamut: it is just an ar archive that contains ELF objects |
| 20:28.33 | ck_ | ketsa: what type of UFS? |
| 20:28.35 | lindi- | DrGamut: ar x foo.a to extract the files and then use nm? |
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| 20:33.29 | ziarkaen | How well does the (un-flexible) USB install work (with netinst iso)? Once the BIOS finds the boot code, is it identical to CD install? |
| 20:34.29 | Ikarus | ziarkaen: no |
| 20:35.01 | Ikarus | ziarkaen: it uses a different flavor of syslinux and loads the kernel and such directly from the fat filesystem |
| 20:35.14 | Ikarus | ziarkaen: the ISO is just there to provide it with the files to install |
| 20:35.16 | DrGamut | lindi-: thanks |
| 20:35.29 | Ikarus | ziarkaen: but the actual installer is self contained in the fat image |
| 20:36.34 | ziarkaen | Ikarus, OK thanks. I've installed Debian a few times before. I just think the install guide puts too much emphasis on floppys/the 20CD set as good install methods (but what do I know?) |
| 20:36.56 | Ikarus | ziarkaen: the install docs aren't getting the care they might need for new users |
| 20:37.03 | Ikarus | I guess 90% of Debian users is like me |
| 20:37.10 | Ikarus | install once, and uh, keep on upgrading |
| 20:37.21 | Ikarus | (I have installs 9 years old) |
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| 20:40.11 | dustybin | i am trying to build-deps from mythtv what is in sid |
| 20:40.30 | dustybin | i have changed the debian multimeda sources.lst to sid |
| 20:40.40 | dustybin | when i hit apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| 20:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | dustybin: Have you seen the movie Toy Story? |
| 20:40.50 | dustybin | nothing happens apart from this |
| 20:41.16 | dustybin | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded. |
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| 20:41.33 | dustybin | jhutchins_lt: yes i have, i dont mind smashing this box |
| 20:41.37 | dustybin | it will be upgraded soon |
| 20:41.48 | jhutchins_lt | K, just checkin'. |
| 20:42.51 | Gm4n | I'm using my lenny box to drive a TV over hdmi (with onboard intel g43), but the maximum screen resolution I can choose is 800x600. I've tried editing xorg.conf, but still no go. What do I need to do? |
| 20:44.15 | kingsley | Gm4n: If you haven't done so already, you could check X's log file for useful info. |
| 20:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a firefox/iceweasel add-on the blocks those horrible pop-up adds when you mouseover a double-underlined term? |
| 20:44.59 | Gm4n | I've been looking in the log, and noticed some stuff about vesa. This is my first linux box with a GUI, though (I run it for servers) and I don't know anything about Xorg |
| 20:45.18 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: there's probably a greasemonkey script |
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| 20:46.39 | kingsley | Gm4n: Perhaps you could search Google's indices for the interesting vesa stuff. |
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| 20:46.50 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: take a look here http://thushw.blogspot.com/2009/09/remove-intrusive-bing-popups-from.html |
| 20:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: I figured there had to be something - thanks! |
| 20:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Also see what drivers your chipset likes in xorg. |
| 20:48.58 | jhutchins_lt | I can see a composite video out not going beyond 480i, but if it's got hdmi it should go completely 1080p. |
| 20:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Should also do 16x9 ratios. |
| 20:49.18 | Gm4n | how would I go about that? lspci doesn't show any vesa |
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| 20:50.03 | Gm4n | lspci | grep -i vga gives me "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)", which seems correct |
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| 20:50.36 | Gm4n | so I don't understand why I see vesa in Xorg log =/ |
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| 20:52.27 | stuckey | How do I burn a folder to a DVD? |
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| 20:53.18 | tux_ | hello i'm trying to install scponly with debian stable but i get following error after a connection via sftp -> http://pastebin.com/LAb0VWUP |
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| 20:55.52 | stuckey | I do wodim foo but it doesn't burn |
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| 20:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: It's possible that you're running the generic vesa driver, which would explain the reduced resolution (although I'd be surprized TV out worked). |
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| 20:58.49 | Gm4n | so putting Driver "intel" in my xorg.conf just made the x server fail to launch =/ |
| 20:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Check to see if you have an xorgl.conf, check Xorg.0.log to see what driver is being used, and google xorg + your video chipset to see what drivers are available. |
| 21:00.20 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Do you know how to burn a dvd? |
| 21:00.24 | Gm4n | no xorgl.conf, vesa is the driver being used, and I'm googling now =) |
| 21:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: You're looking for something like this: Matched intel from file name intel.ids in autoconfig \ (==) Matched intel for the autoconfigured driver \ (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout \ (II) LoadModule: "intel" \ (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so |
| 21:01.32 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Yes, and how to master video for one as well. |
| 21:01.57 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I just need to burn a folder (the one I was working on earlier) to a disc. |
| 21:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
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| 21:03.09 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: says its only about CD |
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| 21:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Ah, updated my AdBlockPluss subscription to easylist, problem solved. |
| 21:06.15 | Gm4n | nifty, I'll have to do that myself =) |
| 21:06.27 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: It includes DVD, and it's all I'm giving you. |
| 21:06.54 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to make a DVD? |
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| 21:07.19 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 21:07.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 21:08.18 | Gm4n | Here's my xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/66325/. I get "intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found", followed by "Chipset G45/G43 found" |
| 21:09.04 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I know about wodim. |
| 21:09.08 | stuckey | I don't know how to make it create a dvd. |
| 21:09.12 | stuckey | wodim foo doesn't make a dvd. |
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| 21:12.58 | stuckey | Oh, do I have to make an iso first? |
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| 21:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: I have no idea if the intel driver is right for you, that's just what my hardware is. |
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| 21:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: lshw -c video should tell you what you have |
| 21:14.55 | Gm4n | I'm using http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131602, which has an intel G43 graphics chipset (correct me if I'm wrong, the page also says Intel GMA X4500) |
| 21:15.19 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: also lspci | grep VGA |
| 21:15.36 | Gm4n | the lspci shows "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)" |
| 21:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: You'r eon lenny? |
| 21:16.51 | Gm4n | yes I am |
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| 21:17.01 | Gm4n | lenny amd64 |
| 21:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, coincidentally intell _does_ appear to be the correct driver for you. |
| 21:17.58 | Gm4n | that's what all my googling said. But if I put Driver "intel", x won't load |
| 21:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | try setting it up with X -configure |
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| 21:21.11 | Gm4n | eh, time to take a break. Thanks for the help, jhutchins_lt =) |
| 21:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | Good luck. It looks like you need a fairly recent G43, you may need to look at backports (ask dpkg about bpo). |
| 21:22.14 | Gm4n | I know about backports, will do |
| 21:22.16 | Gm4n | thanks =) |
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| 21:26.05 | cristi8 | if i am logged in as user1 in gnome, can i run a X application as user2 ? |
| 21:26.20 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: Yes. |
| 21:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: You may not be able to display the results on the same screen though. |
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| 21:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: You may be able to do it with gsudo |
| 21:28.00 | cristi8 | jhutchins_lt: great, how can i do it? if i "su user2" in a terminal window inside gnome and try and start the app, it sais cannot open display |
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| 21:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: First thing, NEVER use su as opposed to su -. |
| 21:28.39 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: Sure way to screw up your system. |
| 21:29.05 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: THe problem is the other user doesn't have permissions to write to your display. |
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| 21:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: You could start another X session for that user. |
| 21:30.00 | cristi8 | jhutchins_lt: i am also used to use "su" and become root and issue a lot of system commands. is that bad? should i add the '-' parameter? the man page isn't so convincing |
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| 21:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: It's most important when you're using it for root. the "-" makes it use the target user's shell and environment, so it won't overwrite or change permissions on your primary user's home directory or files. |
| 21:31.05 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to create an ISO images on the command line? |
| 21:31.24 | pielgrzym | hi. I have a recovery machine and apparently I cannot install packages by apt-get: E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/. any way to get round this? |
| 21:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: It's in the CDR faq. |
| 21:33.26 | jhutchins_lt | pielgrzym: Is /var mounted rw? |
| 21:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: I don't know gnome very well, there may be a way to do it. |
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| 21:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: You can use ssh! |
| 21:34.37 | jhutchins_lt | cristi8: ssh -X user2@localhost programtorun |
| 21:34.38 | cristi8 | jhutchins_lt: heh, yea, good point.. with X forwarding |
| 21:34.57 | cristi8 | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 21:35.29 | pielgrzym | jhutchins_lt: yup |
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| 21:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: I think it's a bit ironic that your problems stem from torrenting pirated music files. |
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| 21:37.18 | dayo | trying to map deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free in apt-cacher. is it: contrib-debian ftp.de.debian.org/debian; ? |
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| 21:39.18 | dayo | or is it: contrib-debian ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze ? |
| 21:39.30 | azeem | what |
| 21:39.40 | azeem | hrm, don't know about apt-cacher, sorry |
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| 21:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | deb <url> release/repo1 repo2 |
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| 21:49.12 | buntfalke | where is that april fools joke apt enhancement bug report: add gcc compile lines output which slowly scrools, for gentoo look and feel? |
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| 21:50.13 | ziarkaen | If I continually upgrade to new releases, will my system be the same as if I'd simply installed the new release (assuming I don't add other packages), and is this guaranteed/designed in this way? |
| 21:50.51 | buntfalke | Except for config files which you altered, yes. |
| 21:51.11 | buntfalke | altered: own settings, or you chose to keep an old version instead of a new one |
| 21:51.38 | buntfalke | plus, /var might accumulate files, such as system logs and you might consider cleaning /tmp once in a while |
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| 21:55.10 | ziarkaen | OK - I'm used to Arch's rolling release system, but will apt-get prompt me if there are file-conflicts/replacements. Arch appends .pacnew to these files or moves current to .pacsave. |
| 21:56.00 | macrobat | !tell ziarkaen about why aptitude |
| 21:56.21 | buntfalke | Yes. You will be asked: "keep current / install maintainer version / show differences" or sth like that. no matter what you do, the old file will stay there, with something-i-forgot appended to the filename if you want the new version |
| 21:57.08 | ziarkaen | Ok that sounds good. Do the majority of users use aptitude? |
| 21:57.28 | adb | !arch linux |
| 21:57.28 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:57.28 | buntfalke | yes |
| 21:57.43 | macrobat | you can reconf pkgs with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:57.44 | ziarkaen | s/claims to be/is |
| 21:57.55 | buntfalke | lol |
| 21:58.03 | ziarkaen | OK thanks. Just need something a little stabler for a server |
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| 21:58.37 | buntfalke | Server --> Debian Stable. |
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| 21:59.04 | ziarkaen | And all Debian users I see seem to know what their talking about (and the package maintainers don't periodically break stuff) |
| 21:59.08 | buntfalke | Other's lack the security update repositirues, dont use that for production machines. |
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| 22:00.27 | samantha-c | i'm getting an error from the kernel about a wireless nic needing firmware to operate and being unable to find. how can i disable the nic in the kernel without pulling the nic? the thing actually working is *NOT* required. phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. |
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| 22:04.36 | jelly-home | samantha-c: if it's already not working, you can just ignore the error |
| 22:06.29 | greymalkin | I'm going to scream: FATAL: Module ip_tables not found -- because it's flipping compiled into the kernel! |
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| 22:08.07 | samantha-c | jelly-home: i want to stop the error because it bleeds to the console. |
| 22:08.23 | jelly-home | !tell samantha-c about blacklist |
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| 22:10.29 | ngomes | who does here the isntallation scripts for debian ? |
| 22:10.48 | ngomes | cause my timezone is badly configured |
| 22:11.02 | ngomes | im gmt and ntp did not update properly |
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| 22:11.16 | azeem | ngomes: so configure it |
| 22:11.23 | ngomes | how |
| 22:11.33 | azeem | which version of Debian is this? |
| 22:11.37 | ngomes | sid |
| 22:11.45 | ngomes | dont know bin to call for timezone setup |
| 22:11.53 | azeem | then you shouldn't run sid |
| 22:11.58 | azeem | try dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 22:12.05 | themill | ngomes: aren't you in Portugal? Aren't you in summer time now? |
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| 22:13.02 | ngomes | themill, im in madeira islands , part of portugal |
| 22:13.22 | ngomes | that's what i've choosen in instalation |
| 22:13.39 | ngomes | madeira islands is same hour as portugal , lisbon |
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| 22:13.51 | themill | Isn't that still UTC+1 at present? (Not GMT as you asserted earlier) |
| 22:14.10 | ngomes | where is UTC line ? |
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| 22:14.33 | azeem | ngomes: UTC is without daylight saving |
| 22:15.34 | ngomes | Local time is now: Sun Mar 28 23:12:24 WEST 2010. |
| 22:15.34 | themill | ngomes: you have the same timezone and same date to shift into summer time as London, but that doesn't mean that you use GMT. GMT (or UTC) doesn't shift into summer time and back each year. |
| 22:16.02 | themill | looks like correct(ish) time and correct timezone. |
| 22:16.08 | ngomes | now its ok |
| 22:16.16 | jelly-home | go WEST |
| 22:16.20 | ngomes | i've configured myself as being in lisbon |
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| 22:17.07 | ngomes | well , i've configured as madeira and now it works again |
| 22:17.12 | ngomes | go figure -.- |
| 22:18.22 | themill | ngomes: did you select "GMT" the first time around? You haven't actually told us how the time was wrong -- was it one hour out? completely off? wrong year? few minutes slow? |
| 22:19.07 | ngomes | it was 1 hour behind , as the past night all clocks advanced 1 hour |
| 22:19.26 | ngomes | i configured myself in the instalation as madeira island timezone |
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| 22:29.27 | ka0tic | how do i trip snort, to see if its working or not? |
| 22:29.46 | ka0tic | what can i do? |
| 22:31.31 | greymalkin | ka0tic: Have you tried doing a sequential port scan with nmap? That should give you something... |
| 22:31.56 | ka0tic | greymalkin: i tried a regular port scan |
| 22:32.11 | Gnudoll | are there not tools for that? |
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| 22:32.20 | Gnudoll | benchmarks and such? |
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| 22:34.53 | ziarkaen | A few minutes ago, someone here said to clean /tmp after upgrades. It's just occured to me that the files should be deleted on halt anyway, right? And I use tmpfs, so anything in /tmp is going to have a hard job surviving a reboot... |
| 22:35.38 | nisse | well there you go then |
| 22:35.43 | nsadmin | correct |
| 22:35.49 | adb | ziarkaen, what's your distribution ? |
| 22:36.41 | NiLon | ziarkaen I think that was for setup that is going to run for long time without boot :) |
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| 22:38.18 | nsadmin | nilon but most times a full upgrade means kernel upgrade, and you would have to reboot to get to the new kernel |
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| 22:40.40 | NiLon | nsadmin really? ;) |
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| 22:40.53 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 22:40.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:41.33 | NiLon | nsadmin and I don't know how your comment was related at all to anything |
| 22:41.34 | ziarkaen | NiLon, That actually makes sense. |
| 22:41.36 | nsadmin | etch to lenny, etchnahalf to lenny, lenny to squeeze |
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| 22:42.01 | nsadmin | NiLon: then you didn't listen |
| 22:42.01 | NiLon | you can run setup for 10 years without having any need to reboot, and I rest my case on that |
| 22:42.31 | ziarkaen | I'm used to updating to a new kernel every few days and updating ~20 packages to new versions every day. Debian will be very peaceful after this :) |
| 22:43.00 | ziarkaen | But you couldn't run newer kernels. |
| 22:43.23 | ziarkaen | And since new kernels contain security updates, leaving it on for 10 years wouldn't exactly be secure, right? |
| 22:43.25 | nsadmin | ziarkaen: that peace pretty much exists in stable (presently lenny) |
| 22:43.31 | NiLon | well actually you *can* upgrade kernel without boot but ye.. just boot it |
| 22:43.47 | ziarkaen | How?! |
| 22:44.02 | NiLon | with black magic mainly |
| 22:44.14 | nsadmin | prepared magic, I'd guess |
| 22:44.25 | babilen | No, i am curious now. How would that work? |
| 22:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, easy, you need the eye of a newt, 1cc of blood from a newborn baby and the scale of a green dragon. |
| 22:45.53 | babilen | magic i say! evil necromancer!! |
| 22:46.24 | nsadmin | and KEEP THE FBI off his back for the next few years! |
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| 22:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I mention the left hand of a dead pregnant woman? |
| 22:48.08 | NiLon | ye that's first part of it |
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| 22:55.59 | openstandards | NiLon, kslice allows you to install newer kernels without a reboot... don't know much about the project mind you |
| 22:56.45 | wols | isn't it ksplice? |
| 22:56.51 | geminidomino | Hey folks. Just a quick question: Does lenny have the same issues as ubuntu with regards to issues with LCD monitors and resolution problems? |
| 22:57.02 | openstandards | wols, sorry yeah |
| 22:57.11 | openstandards | thats correct |
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| 22:58.36 | hotwings | hi.. does anyone know of a debian netinst iso that isnt_ broken.. meaning installs properly and doesnt puke with "no kernel modules found" |
| 22:58.45 | hotwings | debian testing netinst that is |
| 23:00.21 | wols | hotwings: run debian stable then |
| 23:00.53 | hotwings | not an option, i need testing as pointed out |
| 23:00.58 | nsadmin | hotwings: exactly which netinstall images did you try? |
| 23:01.00 | wols | no you don't |
| 23:01.13 | wols | !tell hotwings about kmuto |
| 23:01.25 | nsadmin | you didn't point out anything so far |
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| 23:02.06 | hotwings | tried the daily build at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso... and squeeze alpha 1 installed as recommended by the debian installation page |
| 23:02.16 | nsadmin | specifically, you've never said anything about what you would use it for and why you need testing |
| 23:02.37 | hotwings | why i need to use testing is irrelevent to the problem. |
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| 23:02.42 | nsadmin | but having said that, you can install stable then upgrade |
| 23:02.50 | nsadmin | then you have your answer |
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| 23:03.09 | nsadmin | willing to pay a consultant? |
| 23:03.24 | hotwings | i'd rather not do a dist update |
| 23:03.36 | themill | hotwings: it's not irrelevant if you're just making work for yourself and you could just as easily install stable with a newer kernel (with is what 80+% of people really want when they say they "need" testing) |
| 23:03.36 | nsadmin | whatever, you have your answer |
| 23:03.54 | wols | hotwings: debian NEVER recommends to install testing |
| 23:04.24 | hotwings | thanks, but im not confused about testing != newer kernel |
| 23:04.28 | nsadmin | I'll trade you no information for no information... |
| 23:04.47 | themill | hotwings: anyway, please document exactly which image you used (including the datestamp of the iso) and the exact error and file an installation report. |
| 23:04.59 | hotwings | wols - on the contrary, "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the squeeze Alpha1 release of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for squeeze Alpha1: " |
| 23:04.59 | nsadmin | either come across or go away :P |
| 23:05.13 | themill | hotwings: that is not a recommendation to install testing. |
| 23:05.38 | wols | hotwings: wrong. "to install testing"... debian never recommends to install testing ever. not to people who ismply want to install debian |
| 23:05.58 | wols | testing is only for that: testing the new debian for people to debug it. NOT for any sort of use.ever |
| 23:06.32 | wols | hotwings: and you still haven't told us why you need testing in the first place |
| 23:06.51 | hotwings | wols - when i said i need to use debian testing, it means i need to use it.. it does not mean i need some speech about debian |
| 23:06.52 | matmatmat | stable has a hard stand as a mainstream os though |
| 23:07.20 | hotwings | i am working with some driver devs that require using debian testing.. not that you need to know that, or anything else about it |
| 23:07.22 | wols | hotwings: if you know everything better, why are you asking for help in the first place? |
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| 23:07.59 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.20 | hotwings | wols - slow down kiddo.. nobody ever said anything about knowing "everything better".. |
| 23:08.25 | wols | and we tell you how to install testing even when you go on how you know everything better how to install it |
| 23:08.37 | themill | hotwings: please understand that although *you* might know why you want testing, the vast majority of morons who wander in wanting to install testing actually don't. And the general attitude is that if you're clueful enough to be running testing, then you should be able to install it yourself, cope with the bugs and submit good bug reports preferably with patches. |
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| 23:09.12 | nsadmin | which is kinda flawed because it leads to unnecessary hostility |
| 23:09.57 | wols | nsadmin: it's necessary self defences "OMG debian sucks. it never works" when people want to install testing for no good reason at all without a clue |
| 23:10.15 | hotwings | themill - sure, its understandable.. and i would hope when its clear the person needs/wants testing specifically, theres no more "discussion" about debian versions, end-user use, what devs need, etc. |
| 23:10.19 | themill | nsadmin: if we had infinite time and people to support every person who wanted to run testing, then it would be fine. You could personally tell them each, individually how to use "rm". |
| 23:11.08 | nsadmin | normally I tell new people about mkdir, rmdir, touch, cat, echo, cd |
| 23:11.08 | themill | hotwings: it's never clear like that. We get that exact same insistance that you showed from people who don't even know which end of the mouse to hold. |
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| 23:11.46 | nsadmin | and then I say there are many powerful commands which it's better if you study first... find and rm among those |
| 23:11.47 | phogg | it's always fun halfway in to troubleshooting a problem to get questions like "What's a terminal?" |
| 23:12.29 | nsadmin | you hold... the... tail, right? |
| 23:13.00 | amphi | and roll it along on the convenient wheel |
| 23:13.03 | hotwings | my question is quite simple.. im looking for a debian testing netinst iso that doesnt suffer from the "no kernel modules found" error. i dont see any reason that should turn into a big huge discussion about nothing relating to the question. |
| 23:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually this has come up before - does someone have access to the website? It should mention that the regular way to install testing is to install stable and upgrade and that these are the install images that are tested for the next stable release |
| 23:13.24 | themill | hotwings: we've covered that ground already. can we move on already? |
| 23:13.52 | themill | hotwings: that isn't a listed issue with the squeeze installer. Please file an installation report. |
| 23:13.55 | hotwings | themill - thanks for your attempt to help and civility. the others who just seem to want to argue, no thanks. |
| 23:14.09 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: no. cause testing is epxlicitly not for actually installing by normal people who want to use debian |
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| 23:14.40 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, at the moment, they want people to test the squeeze alpha 1 installer. |
| 23:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, the phrasing there doesn't tell 'em that either |
| 23:14.43 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: it'S for debian development purposes only (officially). telling them what you want to tell them doesn't help that goal but makes it the normal stable debian for kiddies |
| 23:14.46 | nsadmin | I gave you a way to go even after you demonstrated hostility. now GO AWAY and try it. |
| 23:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh, chill |
| 23:15.13 | hotwings | nsadmin - watch your mouth. |
| 23:15.22 | themill | switches nsadmin over to decaf for a few days |
| 23:15.27 | wols | hotwings: everyone in here agrees with him |
| 23:16.00 | hotwings | wols - you dont speak for everyone, surprise.. |
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| 23:16.29 | themill | suspects that this discussion has ground to halt and should just stop |
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| 23:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice weather outside... |
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| 23:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | birds coughing in the trees and things |
| 23:20.31 | nsadmin | freenode has had that bug where people join twice for a few weeks now... what's the point of a cloak? |
| 23:20.43 | wols | nsadmin: it's not really a freenode bug |
| 23:20.50 | themill | nsadmin: it's a client bug not a freenode bug |
| 23:20.52 | wols | just people who misconfigured their client |
| 23:20.58 | geminidomino | Now that that's over, I'll give it one more shot. :) Anyone have any experience with whether Lenny has similar problems to Karmic in detecting monitor settings for LCD monitors? |
| 23:21.20 | wols | cloak ist done via fake host mask. so people identify AFTER they join channels. this happens. they should identify THEN join |
| 23:21.25 | themill | geminidomino: if the monitor lies about its capabilities, then there's not much that can be done |
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| 23:21.55 | nsadmin | geminidomino: you could look at debian and ubuntu BTS and compare... |
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| 23:22.21 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 23:22.34 | simonrvn | ^^^ tec |
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| 23:22.45 | geminidomino | themill: How do you mean? The monitor is telling the system it can only do up to 1152x864? |
| 23:22.55 | simonrvn | oh nm |
| 23:23.00 | zinx | geminidomino: probably |
| 23:23.04 | geminidomino | nsadmin: BTS? |
| 23:23.12 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 23:23.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:23.21 | wols | geminidomino: you can try and force a resolution via xorg.conf |
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| 23:23.42 | geminidomino | Ah, gotcha. Googling comes up with a lot fewer hits on debian than ubuntu, from what I can read at this eye-bleeding res. :) |
| 23:23.45 | nsadmin | "any experience with whether X has (...) problems" has the bts as a major information source |
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| 23:24.12 | nsadmin | bump your font :) |
| 23:24.13 | geminidomino | wols: Tried that on Karmic, no dice, but I can't even begin to guess at all the things they've messed with. |
| 23:25.39 | geminidomino | Guess I'll give lenny a shot then. At this point what have I got to lose, right? |
| 23:25.42 | geminidomino | Thanks guys. |
| 23:25.45 | nsadmin | and what they've ignored since they skim off unstable and don't get most bug fixes |
| 23:26.14 | geminidomino | that too... |
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| 23:26.23 | geminidomino | but lets not get me started. ;) |
| 23:26.28 | nsadmin | speaking of lose... is your /home a separate parttion? |
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| 23:26.52 | geminidomino | Absolutely. My /home hasn't been formatted since I installed Slackware in 1998. ;) |
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| 23:27.38 | sw4 | is it possible for dhclient to request/mantain several ips without configuring an interface ? |
| 23:27.41 | nsadmin | cool, obviously you can do the same thing here... you might have to chown your home dirs so they get the right user id number and group id number |
| 23:28.04 | nsadmin | and caution is advised in that process |
| 23:28.25 | geminidomino | Yeah, no problem there. :) I've reinstalled from scratch 3 times this weekend trying to find an ubuntu that wasn't braindead. |
| 23:28.35 | geminidomino | failing that, I'm trying to go up the tree :) |
| 23:28.54 | nsadmin | sw4: you may have to alter the dhcp client code |
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| 23:29.11 | babilen | geminidomino: do yourself a favour and do the expert install |
| 23:29.26 | wols | geminidomino: ubuntu and debian are currently very different wrt X. KMS, new X versions with different accel architecture and all that |
| 23:29.34 | sw4 | nsadmin: so there is no way to 'reserve' several ips from a dhcp server from the client side ? |
| 23:29.41 | geminidomino | babilen: Abso-fraggin-lutely. I don't trust defaults. :) |
| 23:29.47 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 23:29.50 | geminidomino | wols: Probably the best news I've heard all day. ;) |
| 23:30.01 | nsadmin | of course you should look at the client docs to make sure |
| 23:30.19 | sw4 | nsadmin: i did but found nothing relevant |
| 23:30.43 | nsadmin | maybe a different client? |
| 23:30.53 | sw4 | any suggestions ? |
| 23:30.55 | geminidomino | Here goes nothing. Thanks again, guys. |
| 23:31.12 | ngomes | maybe the dhcp RFC |
| 23:31.50 | sw4 | i'll look into it |
| 23:32.03 | sw4 | i need one that allows dhcp-requested-address option |
| 23:32.07 | ngomes | in what i know there no sense in it |
| 23:32.08 | sw4 | to specify the address i want |
| 23:32.21 | ngomes | if u want that ip address , just manually assign it and its done |
| 23:32.29 | ngomes | no need to ask dhcp for an ip u want |
| 23:32.59 | wols | or use a dhcpd whre you can assign IPs based on MACs or such a criteria |
| 23:33.01 | nsadmin | is this the dhcp on your isp? or a dhcp server you run? |
| 23:33.01 | sw4 | but then my isp will bind that ip to someone else |
| 23:33.15 | sw4 | and there goes my networking |
| 23:33.20 | sw4 | on my isp. |
| 23:33.24 | wols | sw4: you cannot request a certain IP from your ISP |
| 23:33.32 | sw4 | wols: i can |
| 23:33.38 | wols | even if you could your ISP won't honor that wish, ever for very good reasons |
| 23:33.44 | sw4 | send dhcp-requested-address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 23:33.47 | nsadmin | unless you have bought a static IP from them |
| 23:34.02 | wols | any ISP who would agree with your wish would be simply braindead |
| 23:34.03 | sw4 | if that ip is available, its the one they will give you |
| 23:34.15 | ngomes | sw4, same , if u want to request a ip adress already assigned , what dhcpd will do then ? |
| 23:34.20 | ngomes | oh |
| 23:34.24 | sw4 | send a NAK |
| 23:34.36 | wols | that is a stupid ISP. there is lost revenue there |
| 23:34.50 | wols | it's simply not in the ISPs best interest to comply with the request |
| 23:35.10 | sw4 | thats how dhcp3 default works afaik |
| 23:35.24 | nsadmin | how many IPs have you paid to have them supply? |
| 23:35.35 | wols | yes it's the default. but for ISP it's not a good way to do business |
| 23:35.39 | sw4 | well, i guess i'm only supposed to have one |
| 23:35.53 | sw4 | and thats what im trying to exploit, kinda |
| 23:35.54 | ngomes | one, dinamicly |
| 23:35.56 | sw4 | yes |
| 23:36.10 | nsadmin | so you risk getting kicked off |
| 23:36.12 | sw4 | they do limit the number of macs |
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| 23:36.15 | nsadmin | deleted account' |
| 23:36.21 | nsadmin | legal action |
| 23:36.22 | sw4 | so i need to have the same machine asking for the ips |
| 23:36.48 | sw4 | well |
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| 23:37.02 | sw4 | im on a optic fiber plan |
| 23:37.10 | sw4 | and when they came to install it |
| 23:37.25 | nsadmin | which means what, in terms of number of IPs |
| 23:37.35 | sw4 | i had 2 pcs requesting public addresses from the ONT (modem) directly |
| 23:37.43 | nsadmin | wait wait, let's back up all the way to the start |
| 23:37.55 | nsadmin | what -exactly- are you trying to accomplish and why? |
| 23:38.29 | sw4 | im trying to get multiple public ips, to run several public servers |
| 23:38.48 | ngomes | can u do it dinamicly ? |
| 23:38.51 | sw4 | and they limit my communication by number of mac addresses |
| 23:39.21 | sw4 | so i can only have 2 pcs on the network directly |
| 23:39.21 | nsadmin | what's their policy on running public servers? |
| 23:39.25 | sw4 | 2 mac addresses |
| 23:39.54 | sw4 | i don't know, to be honest |
| 23:39.58 | nsadmin | didn't you already say you've only bought one dynamic IP? |
| 23:39.59 | ngomes | sw4, u can use dyndns |
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| 23:40.40 | sw4 | i don't think in the contract specified how many ips i get |
| 23:40.54 | nsadmin | that's something you should -know- |
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| 23:41.24 | nsadmin | find out what is their policy because you need to know if you're breaking it or not |
| 23:41.25 | sw4 | i'm not running a business here, just experimenting |
| 23:41.50 | sw4 | for fun |
| 23:42.06 | nsadmin | so find out if the policy differentiates depending on whether you're having fun experimenting or running a business |
| 23:42.16 | sw4 | you are right, i should |
| 23:42.25 | sw4 | and i'll look into it |
| 23:43.01 | nsadmin | meanwhile can't you have the servers running on a single IP, different ports? |
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| 23:43.10 | nsadmin | and have a proxy running on the gw? |
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| 23:43.30 | sw4 | yea |
| 23:43.41 | sw4 | but i like to play with stuff |
| 23:43.48 | nsadmin | btw if this fun experiment is going to last longer than a few days, you would need to look into stuff |
| 23:43.52 | MoMo | I am running Lenny -- where is the resource that tells me my apt-get source? |
| 23:44.08 | ngomes | MoMo, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:44.31 | nsadmin | said resource is that file |
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| 23:45.09 | sw4 | i was running xen in bridge mode, acquiring 4 public ip addresses |
| 23:45.21 | sw4 | but then i found out i couldnt get another one |
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| 23:45.42 | nsadmin | sw4: another thing you can do... is buy a smallish subnet maybe a /28 |
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| 23:45.52 | ngomes | maybe y could spoof 2º server mac adress matching first server mac and ask more 1 public ip :p |
| 23:46.07 | sw4 | i couldnt get another because, i think, they probably have a limit on the arp table or something |
| 23:46.31 | sw4 | because atm, i can have 1 machine asking for 6 different ips |
| 23:46.34 | multi_io | htop displays non-existant PIDs. |
| 23:46.38 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/htop-wrong-pid.png |
| 23:46.49 | sw4 | so i thought, i'll just use xen in route mode |
| 23:47.13 | sw4 | but i need to, somehow, keep valid ip's on the VMs |
| 23:47.29 | nsadmin | xen working pretty good for you other than that? what's your dom0 and a domU uname -r? |
| 23:47.38 | sw4 | yea pretty good |
| 23:47.52 | sw4 | running debian |
| 23:47.54 | sw4 | lenny* |
| 23:48.05 | sw4 | 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
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| 23:48.24 | ngomes | multi_io, what pid is non-existant ? |
| 23:48.24 | sw4 | same for vms |
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| 23:48.42 | multi_io | ngomes: 7204 |
| 23:48.46 | wolfric | does php5 from apt-get come with mysql support by default? |
| 23:48.53 | nsadmin | mine is... 2.6.26-2-xen-686 but I'm running amd64 hypervisor |
| 23:48.54 | multi_io | (see the screenshot I linked) |
| 23:49.12 | JPT | wolfric: as far as i know, the current stable stuff supports it... just install php5-mysql and go on :) |
| 23:49.26 | ngomes | multi_io, so ? that pid does not exist , its not listed anyway , so what ? |
| 23:49.43 | wolfric | jpt: can i install that over php5? |
| 23:49.51 | multi_io | ngomes: it is listed by htop. (1st line) |
| 23:50.09 | wols | wolfric: php5-mysql is not php |
| 23:50.10 | JPT | php5-mysql is an additional package that you can install via apt. it will enable mysql-support for php5 |
| 23:50.55 | ngomes | multi_io, report bug at htop |
| 23:50.56 | multi_io | "top" has it right (the right pid is 7201, at least according to "ps") |
| 23:50.58 | wolfric | jpt: i'm still getting a call to undefined function:mysql_connect after installing it :S |
| 23:51.06 | multi_io | there's no /proc/7204/ either |
| 23:51.09 | MoMo | sorry -- what i meant was the resource that tells me what the server is ... the file doesn't contain anything -- hence its not a resource to me |
| 23:51.26 | wolfric | ah nvm just restarted apache server |
| 23:51.35 | JPT | wolfric: it might be possible that you need to enable the mysql-extension in /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 23:51.43 | JPT | or in the corresponding php.ini |
| 23:51.46 | ngomes | MoMo, is that file , u can add the repository u want |
| 23:52.13 | MoMo | ngomes: when i say resource --- i want to know where the repositories are listed on the WEB so i can search and select them |
| 23:52.30 | Titan8990 | MoMo: packages.debian.org |
| 23:53.30 | wolfric | jpt: the only thing is that it's php version 5.2 i had 5.3.2 before. If i install it myself compiling with mysql are there any special settings that i'd need to configure myself either with php or apache that would usually be done automatically with debian package? |
| 23:53.37 | MoMo | thats what i place in the sources.list? i was looking for something like ftp.us.debian.org/ i'm not finding it on that website |
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| 23:53.59 | Titan8990 | !sources.list |
| 23:53.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 23:54.17 | MoMo | thanks |
| 23:54.23 | ngomes | or man sources.list |
| 23:54.29 | JPT | wolfric: if you download + compile it on your own with mysql enabled, there is nothing else to do then. :) |
| 23:54.49 | nsadmin | wolfric: generic answer: it's possible to get the source of the version you had and look at exactly what setting are there, in particular what it feeds to the ./configure script |
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| 23:55.28 | nsadmin | it also might be possible to backport that version |
| 23:55.55 | wolfric | ok i'm semi-new to linux... doesn't debian use altered versions that have different directory setups that are pre configured. So if i download+compile and run php myself.... might it use different setups than what debian normally uses... |
| 23:56.18 | multi_io | hm, it's there is a /proc/7204 when I ls /proc/7204/. |
| 23:56.23 | nsadmin | yes that's what I'm telling uyou |
| 23:56.25 | JPT | err.. debian packages are using different versions and usually work out of the box |
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| 23:57.04 | nsadmin | JPT yes I hope that too... but he might need to backport a later version |
| 23:57.15 | multi_io | there isn't when I type /proc/7204<tab> |
| 23:57.31 | nsadmin | and /proc is mounted? |
| 23:57.36 | wols | wolfric: why do you want to compile php yourself? |
| 23:57.49 | wolfric | to have the latest version of php with mysql supported |
| 23:58.15 | wols | all debian versions of php support mysql. and is thre a reason for "latest version"? |
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| 23:58.43 | wolfric | security? |
| 23:59.12 | themill | wolfric: what does that mean, specifically? |
| 23:59.12 | nsadmin | so there's no added features that make your app fail with the earlier version? |
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| 23:59.40 | themill | dpkg: tell wolfric about security backports |
