| 00:00.23 | rzeka | I'd like to install vbox guest addons on Lenny. As I see there is "something" in repo, but I have no idea which "something" to use. Anyone knows? |
| 00:00.40 | rzeka | Or I have to use the vbox cd and compile it ;( ? |
| 00:01.03 | wolfric | so basically 5.2.13 and 5.3.2 are both stable and both patched fully... |
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| 00:02.11 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 00:02.11 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1 |
| 00:02.11 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.18 | themill | rzeka: 5.3.2 isn't in lenny. No-one's making any security support promises for things that aren't in lenny. |
| 00:02.35 | wols | themill: neither is 5.2.13 |
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| 00:02.55 | themill | heh.. quite |
| 00:03.06 | nsadmin | there are two sids? |
| 00:03.17 | wols | rgr: use the one coming with your vbox since that the same version as your vbox itself |
| 00:03.29 | wols | nsadmin: the tale of two sids |
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| 00:04.11 | themill | nsadmin: quite possibly. It's an arch:all package and they can hang around with the buildds catch up. |
| 00:04.13 | nsadmin | the pointy tail of two siddies? |
| 00:04.21 | wolfric | but let's say i did want to install 5.3.2... i was looking up this http://ie.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php example. And it mentions configuring php as ./configure -- --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs --with-mysql yet /usr/local/ doesn't have apache2 in debian. |
| 00:05.01 | themill | wolfric: if you want to compile things from scratch then you've got a lot of reading to do and the crappy docs that php.net gives you are unlikely to help |
| 00:05.17 | wolfric | where would you suggest reading? |
| 00:05.25 | nsadmin | backporting woudl be easier |
| 00:06.13 | wolfric | yes but there's an educational element as well as just wanting it to work. i want to know how to do it even if i don't have to |
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| 00:06.44 | nsadmin | if I were you I'd separate the two |
| 00:06.53 | nsadmin | (1) you want to learn, and |
| 00:07.04 | nsadmin | (2) you want to get a particular version of php |
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| 00:08.08 | wolfric | ok so just on the learning part... do you recommend any better documentation/tutorials etc on it? |
| 00:09.21 | nsadmin | under "I want to learn" you could put: C, parts of the compiler, make, how to write a makefile, all the files in the debian source pkg of "hello" |
| 00:09.33 | chops1 | wolfric: Backporting may teach you more useful things and also be easier than installing a hand-compiled version |
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| 00:10.43 | nsadmin | under backporting you're still building from source, but the result is a debian package |
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| 00:12.18 | wolfric | nsadmin: downloading the source from debian? |
| 00:12.27 | nsadmin | correct |
| 00:12.57 | nsadmin | which has pieces added on to facilitate the creation of the package |
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| 00:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sw4, what servers? |
| 00:13.12 | wolfric | where could i find out what changes debian makes to packages? |
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| 00:13.36 | nsadmin | by looking at the files you get in the source package |
| 00:13.56 | wols | wolfric: in the source .deb from debian. it consists of the original upstream version plus an archive of the debian patches |
| 00:14.09 | nsadmin | but more generally, if you want to learn to package, there's a whole big buncha manuals |
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| 00:15.26 | wolfric | appreciate it thanks |
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| 00:20.05 | solidsnack | I've installed a Debian Xen kernel with `dpkg'; now when I try to install `screen' with `aptitude', it suggests that I remove the Xen kernel. |
| 00:20.39 | solidsnack | What can I do to make it just ignore the Xen kernel? |
| 00:21.07 | nsadmin | solidsnack: what's the uname -r of the dom0? what is cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 00:21.28 | nsadmin | pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:21.29 | solidsnack | nsadmin: I have not rebooted yet. |
| 00:21.58 | solidsnack | nsadmin: Oh, duh, sorry. I installed this on Ubuntu; I'm in the wrong channel. |
| 00:21.58 | nsadmin | what's the package name of the dom0 kernel? |
| 00:22.13 | nsadmin | np :) |
| 00:22.37 | nsadmin | but wait, |
| 00:22.52 | nsadmin | you say you installed a debian xen kernel on your ubuntu? |
| 00:23.26 | solidsnack | Yes. That is the recommended way to install a Xen kernel on Ubuntu, as far as I can tell. |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | it doesn't matter, it's not debian |
| 00:23.30 | nsadmin | that could have something to do with your original statement |
| 00:23.32 | abrotman | solidsnack: please ask #ubuntu |
| 00:23.38 | solidsnack | abrotman: Sure. |
| 00:24.14 | nsadmin | there are way too many ways for that to fail or be inconvenient or do things you don't expect |
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| 00:25.40 | nsadmin | solidsnack: I'd get the kernel source for that debian kernel and try building it using the ubuntu toolchain |
| 00:26.01 | nsadmin | you might get better results wrt dependencies |
| 00:26.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: go to #ubuntu if you want to help him |
| 00:26.11 | solidsnack | nsadmin: Maybe I will just install Lenny and to hell with Ubuntu. |
| 00:26.58 | nsadmin | you probably have enough disk space |
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| 00:27.40 | solidsnack | nsadmin: I was hoping to get one of the Xen servers set up and running before I started fiddling with Lenny, since I've never installed Debian proper. |
| 00:28.04 | solidsnack | nsadmin: I have the same feeling about missing/borked depends. |
| 00:28.15 | nsadmin | can you dual boot for the moment? |
| 00:28.55 | nsadmin | you -could- install lenny standalone, then install xen-system-(version) |
| 00:29.02 | nsadmin | not sure I have the name right |
| 00:29.18 | solidsnack | nsadmin: I think that's exactly what I'll do. |
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| 00:29.31 | solidsnack | Why does Debian use `admin' instead of `wheel'? |
| 00:29.32 | nsadmin | then your lenny could become the dom0 and you can run the ubuntus as guests |
| 00:29.45 | solidsnack | nsadmin: Have to run CentOS as guests :( |
| 00:30.01 | solidsnack | I am spearheading a long slow transition away from poison Linux. |
| 00:30.05 | nsadmin | debian doesn't have a wheel feature (by default) |
| 00:30.27 | solidsnack | What is the "wheel feature"? |
| 00:30.49 | nsadmin | plain users must be in wheel group to su root |
| 00:31.10 | nsadmin | or maybe to su anything |
| 00:31.13 | solidsnack | nsadmin: Hmm. So the `admin' group does what, exactly? |
| 00:31.37 | nsadmin | dunno exactly :) exist? :) |
| 00:31.57 | solidsnack | nsadmin: I guess I've never used `su' for much; I've always thought of `wheel' as the group that you allow to `sudo' as root. |
| 00:32.18 | solidsnack | Is there a document describing this choice? |
| 00:32.31 | solidsnack | I think most Linii have stuck with `wheel'. |
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| 00:32.45 | nsadmin | more generically, you can learn about pam |
| 00:33.08 | solidsnack | PAM actually has a built-in thing to let people `su'? |
| 00:33.16 | solidsnack | I didn't know that. |
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| 00:33.30 | nsadmin | xiantaozhaowei: is possible you can't send to channel because you're here as root |
| 00:33.45 | themill | !wheel |
| 00:33.45 | dpkg | somebody said wheel was n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 00:34.13 | astartoth | hi all, any good resource on replacing hal with udev under debian? |
| 00:34.19 | solidsnack | Interesting. |
| 00:37.58 | nsadmin | you can hook up ldap logins, kerberos logins, unix passwd logins and have them all tried, using pam |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | astartoth: they do different things? |
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| 00:40.07 | astartoth | hal is deprecated and will be replaced by udev. |
| 00:40.36 | nsadmin | if that's the case you don't need to do it yourself |
| 00:40.36 | themill | astartoth: asking in different places won't change the answers. |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | astartoth: which OS are you using? |
| 00:42.59 | Mowee | night o/ |
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| 00:45.54 | astartoth | sorry, something happened. i'm using sid. |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | astartoth: so why does a decision by ubuntu affect your debian install ? |
| 00:47.24 | astartoth | it doesn't. |
| 00:48.25 | astartoth | it affects testing wether booting without hal is faster then with hal. |
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| 00:49.02 | astartoth | but some small issues came up, regarding the sound card for once |
| 00:49.39 | astartoth | so, i have need to check wether right now some rule exists to replace hals fdi in for the sound card to work properly. |
| 00:50.17 | astartoth | and since Debian is also headed that way.... (deprecating hal for good) |
| 00:50.53 | simonrvn | 'whether' |
| 00:50.54 | astartoth | i decided to make some testing of my own. But for now I think udev is not as documented as hal. |
| 00:51.22 | astartoth | simonrvn: right, sorry |
| 00:51.49 | simonrvn | well, it's still irrelevant |
| 00:52.09 | capitan | basic exim4 question... i'm trying to get exim4 to only bind to one ip... i'm seeing some docs online saying something like this for the conf file: "local_interfaces = <; 192.168.23.65.1234 ;"... what's the "<;" part for? |
| 00:52.45 | simonrvn | use ; as a separator |
| 00:52.57 | capitan | ya... that i get... but what about the "<"? |
| 00:53.06 | simonrvn | instead of the usual : , because ipv6 addresses use : |
| 00:53.32 | simonrvn | that's what it means, "use ; instead of : as a separator" |
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| 00:54.02 | simonrvn | feels like he's repeating himself |
| 00:54.09 | capitan | ohhhhhh!!! |
| 00:54.20 | capitan | haha i get it now |
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| 00:55.51 | capitan | simonrvn, you did repeat yourself :) i have zero experience with exim and that's quite a funny syntax... |
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| 00:56.10 | pascal | !list |
| 00:56.10 | dpkg | pascal: VATTENE VIA |
| 00:56.11 | capitan | thought you didn't understand my question at first... thanks though! :) |
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| 00:56.28 | simonrvn | np |
| 00:56.49 | astartoth | irrelevant you say... |
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| 00:59.16 | lord-carlos | Hi there |
| 00:59.28 | lord-carlos | i just made an udev rule ( /etc/udev/rules.d/99-synaptics.rules ) |
| 00:59.36 | lord-carlos | how can i test it without restarting? |
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| 00:59.53 | wols | lord-carlos: restart udev? |
| 01:00.10 | lord-carlos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.18 | wols | sure |
| 01:00.23 | lord-carlos | that did not work ... or my new rules :S |
| 01:00.24 | astartoth | invoke-rc.d udev restart |
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| 01:00.56 | lord-carlos | mhh, still to finger tabing :( |
| 01:01.09 | lord-carlos | maybe i have to restart X |
| 01:01.17 | gnat_x | hey folks, so i just installed squeeze, and i'm having trouble getting mouse scroll wheels working on both pointing devices. |
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| 01:01.29 | lord-carlos | brb |
| 01:01.39 | gnat_x | they both worked in lenny... though this is a clean install, not an upgrade. |
| 01:02.47 | geminidomino | I'm back and on a fresh lenny install. Still trying to suss through the initial setup to make sure everything's working. Is there something besides fstab that determines mount parameters? /home is being mounted noexec even though that's not specified in fstab |
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| 01:09.03 | lord-carlos | on this page: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad i found some udev rules, i restarted udev and X, but i still can not "klick"/touble tab with the touchpad |
| 01:09.13 | lord-carlos | does someone know how to fix this? |
| 01:09.21 | lord-carlos | I am using debian testing |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | lord-carlos: i enabled it in the xorg.conf |
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| 01:11.20 | ikthus | :p |
| 01:11.36 | lord-carlos | does that also work with Xorg 7.5? @ abrotman |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | uhm .. in testing it works for me |
| 01:11.57 | lord-carlos | ok |
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| 01:14.24 | geminidomino | hrm... |
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| 01:17.37 | capitan | hmm... is it possible to tell exim "hey exim... send emails from domaina.com from 4.4.4.4, and send emails from domainb.com from 4.4.2.4"? is this even necessary? i want to essentially have mail from two domains coming from the same server, without other mailservers thinking i'm spamming... |
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| 01:18.08 | wols | just set the MX record properly and you aren't |
| 01:18.20 | petemc_ | mx record has nothing to do with sending |
| 01:18.38 | petemc_ | capitan: just set up a router that calls a particular transport with interface = 4.4.4.4 |
| 01:18.50 | petemc_ | (you cant do this via debconf) |
| 01:19.03 | capitan | hehe... i figured as much! :P |
| 01:19.24 | wols | so mail frm domain x always needs to come from domain x? |
| 01:19.39 | wols | or rather the IP frm domain x? what's the mail exchange then for? |
| 01:19.47 | petemc_ | receiving |
| 01:20.37 | capitan | and... petemc_, you've officially lost me at "router" and "transport" in mail server terminology, and i probably should read some thorough exim docs before trying it... |
| 01:20.51 | petemc_ | its specific to exim |
| 01:21.01 | capitan | but based on what you're saying... this is feasible, correct? |
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| 01:21.18 | petemc_ | absolutely, common too |
| 01:21.27 | capitan | k :) |
| 01:21.36 | RayzrShrp | anybody succesfully install debian on an external usb drive? |
| 01:21.46 | capitan | thanks a bunch petemc_! |
| 01:21.49 | petemc_ | np |
| 01:21.54 | capitan | off to rtfm :) |
| 01:22.07 | wols | RayzrShrp: ask your real question |
| 01:22.27 | RayzrShrp | wols: that is my real question - will it work? how does it handle the bootloader? |
| 01:22.47 | wols | aha, so it wasn't your real question. nice way to contradict yourself |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | does your computer boot from USB ? |
| 01:22.57 | RayzrShrp | it will yes |
| 01:23.08 | wols | it does work. how the bootloader is handled is a bit hardware specific |
| 01:23.26 | wols | e.g. syslinux vs. grub |
| 01:23.59 | RayzrShrp | do i have to do anything spcial with installing to the external drive? |
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| 01:25.40 | markinfo | how to delete file: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 14336 2010-03-29 03:17 extlinux.sys |
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| 01:27.44 | capitan | markinfo, as root, you should be able to... are you sure you wanna delete it??? |
| 01:27.51 | rudi_s_ | markinfo: Just remove it as root, if the directory is writable by you it should work. |
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| 01:33.13 | luminoso | why does sid don't get security updates? because it's always updated? |
| 01:33.53 | markinfo | I have made by the mistake "extlinux --install /boot" but I wanted to do "extlinux --install /media/disk/boot/" ...for external usb flash stick. Does it hurted my current system. Will this boot after next start? |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | luminoso: it's not a release |
| 01:34.10 | rudi_s_ | !tell luminoso about sid |
| 01:34.21 | luminoso | rudi_s_, thanks |
| 01:34.42 | \amethyst | luminoso: yes, a security update in sid would be an upload like any other new version |
| 01:34.48 | ngomes | markinfo, check /boot files ... u can upgrade-boot to check if everything is ok |
| 01:34.53 | rudi_s_ | np |
| 01:35.03 | ngomes | hi , luminoso from portugal |
| 01:35.06 | ngomes | lul |
| 01:35.14 | luminoso | ngomes, :-D |
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| 01:35.56 | gnat_x | is there a good piece of documentation on how mouse configuration is supposed to be handled now that xorg.conf is autogeneratred? this no scrollwheel thing is driving me nuts |
| 01:36.35 | ngomes | my X does it automagicaly for me , but u can add some lines to xorg.conf |
| 01:37.14 | ngomes | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 01:37.16 | ngomes | this one |
| 01:37.49 | markinfo | why it is not able to delete "-r--r--r-- 1 root root 14336 2010-03-29 03:17 extlinux.sys" even as root? |
| 01:38.42 | ngomes | what error does it give ? |
| 01:39.17 | markinfo | ngomes, rm: cannot remove `extlinux.sys': Operation not permitted |
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| 01:42.21 | abrotman | markinfo: is the filesystem read only ? |
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| 01:45.13 | markinfo | abrotman, /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | what's the full path to that file ? |
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| 01:47.10 | dkr | why isn't eclipse in squeeze? 3.2.2-6.1 in lenny and 3.5.2-2 in sid I can understand squeeze not having the latest version like sid, but to not have it at all seems a bit odd. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=eclipse&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all the wiki.debian.org wiki pages about eclipse don't enlighten me either |
| 01:47.10 | markinfo | abrotman, /boot |
| 01:47.36 | markinfo | /boot/extlinux.sys |
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| 01:47.49 | WormFood | why in the fuck does the "timer" applet suddenly quit, every time I remove my usb memory stick? Seems a little odd to me |
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| 02:02.03 | MoMo | I just installed debian -- how can i go about deleting KDE from computer? |
| 02:02.36 | ngomes | aptitude remove package |
| 02:02.56 | MoMo | ngomes: real quick, should i start using aptitude over apt-get? or are they the same? |
| 02:03.10 | ngomes | yeah , basicaly , the same |
| 02:03.31 | MoMo | okay because i am still using apt-get |
| 02:03.53 | MoMo | ngomes: how do i search for the kde package? |
| 02:04.05 | ngomes | aptitude search kde |
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| 02:06.13 | wols_ | !tell MoMo about why aptitude |
| 02:06.22 | wols_ | !tell MoMo about remove kde |
| 02:06.25 | MoMo | thanks |
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| 02:07.02 | wols_ | you should use aptitude, but no one will jail you for using apt-get |
| 02:08.09 | MoMo | well if aptitude is overall better for the reasons dpkg said -- then i might as well just type aptitude -- tHANKS! |
| 02:09.09 | dkr | the only drawback to aptitude is that the name is too long. so I aliased it to "a" ;) |
| 02:09.44 | ngomes | apti tab , 5 strokes only |
| 02:09.44 | MoMo | lol 1 letter more =P |
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| 02:11.06 | wols_ | dkr: /msg dpkg why is eclipse not in testing |
| 02:11.56 | dkr | I also setup context sensitive tab completion for the arguments, so I type e.g. a i<tab> for aptitude install, :) |
| 02:12.17 | dkr | wols_: ah, thanks. I was ranomly trying factoids earlier, shoul dhave done a search for eclipse in factoid triggers |
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| 02:16.21 | wols_ | there is no trigger for eclipse like that and this factoid isn't about eclipse either |
| 02:16.26 | dkr | wols_: hrm, that's not what I was after. as I said, I understand why it's not the latest version. what i don't undertsand is why testing doesn't have the version that stable has |
| 02:16.52 | dkr | or something in between |
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| 02:20.26 | dkr | (not that I've gotten release.debian.org to respond, it keeps timing out. but I recalled what that "why is foo not in testing" link does) |
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| 02:22.38 | jair | guys, I am running debian lenny 5.0.3 86_64 and the system I have is a lenovo laptop with Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7700 @ 2.40GHz and this wireless adapter: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 02:23.19 | jair | when I connect to a wifi network after a couple of minutes the machine freeze and all I see is the CAPS A light flashing. |
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| 02:23.59 | jair | it is pretty annoying because I have to cold power off the system =( |
| 02:24.27 | jair | if I am running lenny do I need to use the stable wifi firware or should I try the latest one available? |
| 02:24.36 | ngomes | jair, i had problems with wifi too , cpu was freezing from while to while ... i just installed a previous kernel version and its now ok |
| 02:25.22 | jair | I am using this kernel => 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 02:25.55 | jair | this is an stable kernel |
| 02:26.16 | ngomes | right . does not mean its perfect |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | jair: try the backports.org kernel |
| 02:27.43 | jair | abrotman: so you think is a kernel issue? |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | no, your wifi card is part demon, and is possessing your capslock key |
| 02:28.30 | jair | abrotman: I was thinking on isntalling a newer firmware for the wifi adapter => PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN |
| 02:28.43 | jair | hmmm |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 02:28.54 | judd | firmware-iwlwifi -- etch/non-free: 0.4+etchnhalf.1; etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.23~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 0.23; squeeze/non-free: 0.23 |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | jair: and newer firmware at backports.org also |
| 02:29.40 | jair | hmmm. I see |
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| 02:54.23 | solidsnack | Hello, I am trying to install Debian Lenny from a USB drive. My installation fails at the step "scanning for ISO"; however, the ISO is on the device (`/dev/sdb'). |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 02:54.52 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:55.16 | solidsnack | abrotman: Yes, I have read this stuff. |
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| 02:56.56 | solidsnack | abrotman: I followed 4.3.1, "The Easy Way". |
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| 02:57.49 | abrotman | solidsnack: unfortunately, i'm about to head for sleepyland .. double check your work, many people have used those instructions |
| 02:57.56 | solidsnack | Oh, wait -- I did get that error about kernel modules. |
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| 02:59.26 | NoCode | Hmm, I think I have all the dependencies to install the newest gwibber from launchpad. Just waiting on my upgrades/ resolving dependencies to install so I can compile Gwibber. This shall be fun. |
| 03:00.14 | solidsnack | Doh; downloaded boot.img.gz for Sid. |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | NoCode: wrong channel |
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| 03:03.14 | capitan | hooray... fglrx 10.3-prerelease in sid :) |
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| 03:03.36 | capitan | doh! never mind... no amd64 yet |
| 03:04.07 | capitan | bah... i'm getting pretty fond of the open source driver! boo to you, fglrx! |
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| 03:25.52 | wols_ | capitan: it doesn't matter. it won't work with xorg 1.7 anyways. so it's an utterly useless release |
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| 03:39.22 | sparr | after a recent upgrade and reboot, my non-root user cannot mount my extra hard drives (via "Places" -> "### GB Filesystem") any more. Error is "Unable to mount ### GB Filesystem | Not authorized". Help? |
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| 03:40.37 | sparr | Also, inserting SD cards no longer triggers automatic mounting and prompts to import photos |
| 03:40.50 | sparr | no longer (... and ...) |
| 03:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, sounds like... kde? gnome? |
| 03:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... upgrade? Is that stable? |
| 03:45.01 | Psi-Jack- | Does anyone know how I might possibly be able to install Debian as a Xen DomU, from an OpenSUSE dom0? |
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| 03:47.31 | Bryanstein | Psi-Jack-, erase OpenSUSE and then Install Debian as Dom0 |
| 03:47.33 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 03:47.34 | lifestream | What is the difference, in apt-get, between suggested packages and recommended packages? I tried --no-install-recommends and --no-install-suggests, but --no-install-suggests was *not* understood ^^; |
| 03:47.58 | Psi-Jack- | Bryanstein: heh. OpenSUSE's Xen setup is really nice though. ;) |
| 03:48.31 | Bryanstein | Psi-Jack-, but cmon...it's OpenSUSE/Novell/Microsofts Whipping boy...you can do better |
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| 03:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, suggests are not installed by default |
| 03:49.20 | aburch | Psi-Jack-: You can start the Debian installer in the DomU: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#DomU.28guest.29 |
| 03:49.45 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, do you know how I can tell apt-get not to install them, just to be super safe? |
| 03:49.52 | Psi-Jack- | aburch: That's probably more what I needed. ;) Trying to get a Debian paravirtualized environment, specifically, not full virt. |
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| 03:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I can't find a manual that really says that right now |
| 03:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, tell it not to do things it doesn't do? |
| 03:50.48 | lifestream | Yeah:) |
| 03:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 03:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, I can tell you: don't do it |
| 03:51.18 | lifestream | Oh noes |
| 03:51.19 | aburch | Psi-Jack-: D-I's kernel uses para virt if available. |
| 03:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, see, just as futile |
| 03:52.15 | aburch | Psi-Jack-: At least the 32bit version. It will not work for 64bit guests (at least not without tinkering with it). |
| 03:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-recommends |
| 03:53.14 | lifestream | recommends != suggests |
| 03:53.18 | lifestream | I think |
| 03:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, huhu? |
| 03:53.45 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, apt-recommends |
| 03:53.51 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no - |
| 03:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt recommends |
| 03:54.06 | dpkg | APT installs recommended packages by default since Lenny. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will not have functionality they provide. Squeeze's <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends> |
| 03:55.08 | lifestream | !apt suggests |
| 03:55.09 | Psi-Jack- | yeah, I'm rather not happy about that myself. |
| 03:55.20 | lifestream | blows raspberry |
| 03:55.26 | lifestream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | From /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README: "If a package A suggests another package B, then package B provides functionality that may enhance A, but is not needed in most cases." |
| 03:56.38 | elik | anyone here using google-chrome having a hard time with the flash player? |
| 03:56.40 | lifestream | Yeah, I know, that's why I want to make sure they don't get installed. |
| 03:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well they don't, now be happy |
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| 03:57.34 | lifestream | well, the !apt recommends said they are. But I will do it anyway and I will send my lolcat mafia on you if you were wrong. Be ready. |
| 03:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said the suggests aren't. The recommends are, which is why I showed you that factoid |
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| 03:59.06 | lifestream | Ahhhh |
| 03:59.09 | lifestream | :D |
| 03:59.13 | lifestream | Thanks |
| 03:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | althouhg I'm not sure apt-get installs them. aptitude (which you should probably use) does |
| 04:00.22 | Psi-Jack- | CutMeOwnThroat: They're one in the same |
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| 04:00.34 | lifestream | Tried, didn't like |
| 04:00.36 | Psi-Jack- | apt-get and aptitude share the same /etc/apt conf |
| 04:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but they're not the same |
| 04:01.05 | Psi-Jack- | I made a big mailing-list posting about how painfully annoying and Ubuntuism that is. |
| 04:01.16 | lifestream | goes get a bucket of water for the flames |
| 04:01.23 | lifestream | Psi-Jack-, can I read? |
| 04:01.41 | Psi-Jack- | Yeah, check the debian mailing lists. :p |
| 04:02.17 | lifestream | Dohr |
| 04:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for >2Kb |
| 04:02.21 | lifestream | O_o;;!! Okay :-) |
| 04:02.31 | insane | Hi guys... anyone got a clue when Debian 6.0 will be released? |
| 04:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yes |
| 04:02.47 | Psi-Jack- | insane: Yes |
| 04:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wir |
| 04:02.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 04:02.55 | Psi-Jack- | heh |
| 04:02.56 | insane | I know it is done when it is done... like always ^^ |
| 04:03.02 | lifestream | Oh you are siegmund. |
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| 04:03.46 | lifestream | No. I am wrong. you are not. Wrong whois |
| 04:03.47 | insane | Is there something like a roadmap or milestones? |
| 04:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also usually less than a year after the freeze |
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| 04:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 04:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 04:04.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? |
| 04:04.58 | capitan | wols_, ah... the bug report said it would :(... lame! |
| 04:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | who messed with that? |
| 04:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !squeeze |
| 04:05.17 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 04:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess time to update that a bit |
| 04:06.21 | insane | Yeah lol... |
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| 04:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | insane, look at http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 04:06.36 | insane | I guess it is a little old :x |
| 04:07.04 | insane | geez ... I missed debian at the Cebit ._. |
| 04:07.09 | insane | <.< |
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| 04:07.17 | insane | I knew there was something I missed... |
| 04:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's from when the name squeeze was formed... I thought it was this: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 04:08.40 | insane | Has Squeeze been frozen till now, as announced in the news? |
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| 04:09.50 | thirst | hi guys.. |
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| 04:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it was, you'd see an announcement in the news |
| 04:11.23 | thirst | my nforce mcp79 built in audio gives very low volume.. it is 5.1, maybe as i have connected to 2channel speakers ? any way to fix this ?pcm is maximum in alsamixer |
| 04:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't plug the speakers into the microphone outlet.... |
| 04:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or unmute the channel... "very" silent sounds like you're just hearing some resonance effect in the electronics, not the real signal |
| 04:13.21 | thirst | CutMeOwnThroat, haha.. no i am not.. i use the green one with the speaker icon.. also tried with a headphone on my plug in front of my desktop |
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| 04:14.16 | insane | I hope AMD will finally update the proprietary drivers or even better... release some specifications for the HD 5xxx and older series... |
| 04:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't really meant to be funny - when you don't hear the real signal, it's normally something stupid like this |
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| 04:16.23 | insane | CutMeOwnThroat, which Xorg version does lenny use? |
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| 04:16.32 | insane | I am currently on a PC without Lenny... |
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| 04:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | look it up at packages.debian.org? |
| 04:17.18 | thirst | CutMeOwnThroat, i see a post here.. sounds like i may have even less than 1/4 th volume.. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117960 |
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| 04:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ask judd... |
| 04:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 04:17.52 | judd | xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.7.5-1; sid: 2:1.7.6-1 |
| 04:18.36 | insane | packages.debian.org tells 7.3 ... judd tells sth. else o.o |
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| 04:19.00 | insane | hmm |
| 04:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | thirst, well, you can increase volume with software mixing... but at a point you hit the ceiling there |
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| 04:22.06 | thirst | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah.. tried smplayer .. looks like i hit the max there.. any other suggestions.. |
| 04:22.15 | insane | I guess some users will run into big problems if they upgrade to Squeeze (after release) and AMD still hasn't improved the drivers to work with Xorg > 7.4 |
| 04:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | get a working soundcard? |
| 04:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | they should be cheap |
| 04:22.38 | insane | unless you want good sound.... |
| 04:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or write a patch for the driver... |
| 04:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or wait until someone does |
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| 04:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there... amazon pci sound card $10.99, another $9.99 - ok, so you don't know if those work either, but I'd ask myself "how much time do I want to invest into one that seems clearly not supported well" |
| 04:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also an usb-stick like one for <$5 :) |
| 04:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and one for 72 cent |
| 04:26.13 | insane | CutMeOwnThroat: not every card is that cheap, if you want quite good sound you have to invest more money... |
| 04:26.19 | insane | every sound card* |
| 04:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the on-board one is great? |
| 04:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | c'mon |
| 04:26.55 | gnat_x | ugh. i'm habing so much trouble trying to figure out the right way of getting my scroll wheels working again with the xorg in squeeze. |
| 04:27.07 | insane | CutMeOwnThroat: Not really, just wanted to mention it ;) |
| 04:27.49 | insane | gnat_x: let me guess... any HD graphics card? |
| 04:27.57 | thirst | with good drivers it is good.. as windows drivers from nvidia works awesome.. |
| 04:28.10 | gnat_x | insane: nope. |
| 04:28.23 | insane | k |
| 04:28.31 | gnat_x | insane: its a laptop with a really limited graphics card. |
| 04:28.49 | insane | Graphics Media Accelerator? |
| 04:29.11 | insane | aka Intel GMA .... |
| 04:29.19 | gnat_x | i never realized how much i use the damn scroll wheel until i didn't have it. |
| 04:29.27 | thirst | CutMeOwnThroat, insane thanks guys.. |
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| 04:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | thirst, http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Firebird802 |
| 04:30.14 | thirst | i am on kernel 6.32-3 maybe i need to try out the newer 34-rc to see if there are some code changes |
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| 04:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | thirst, no need to change the whole kernel for a single module |
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| 04:30.53 | gnat_x | insane: yes. from what i can tell its an intal gma |
| 04:30.56 | gnat_x | intel |
| 04:31.42 | thirst | yeah.. probably get the src for i2c_nfroce2 and i2c_core and compile them.. |
| 04:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa versions |
| 04:31.45 | dpkg | ALSA version by Debian kernel: 2.6.26 -> 1.0.16; 2.6.30 -> 1.0.20; 2.6.32 -> 1.0.21. ALSA version provided by alsa-source package: Lenny -> 1.0.17; Squeeze -> 1.0.21 (see also <new alsa>). |
| 04:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !new alsa |
| 04:32.13 | dpkg | To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers. Currently unusable (FTBFS) with Debian stock kernels on squeeze and sid, see Debian bugs #531668, #540307, #550595, #552203. |
| 04:32.27 | insane | gnat_x: I know the pain of having an Intel GMA... my notebook has one, too |
| 04:32.28 | NoCode | While running the python interpreter in the terminal. "import wnck" gives me: http://pastebin.com/BfNsKrSK But, if I "import gtk" then "import wnck" import wnck works. |
| 04:32.28 | insane | <.< |
| 04:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | thirst, ^^^ |
| 04:32.47 | thirst | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah.. trying that now.. |
| 04:33.05 | insane | The graphics performance really sucks... |
| 04:33.13 | thirst | i guess that makes sense before i go in for compiling the .ko |
| 04:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | thirst, have a look at those bugs, though |
| 04:34.16 | thirst | ok |
| 04:34.18 | gnat_x | the graphics don't bug me nearly as much as xorg not reading my mouse or track point properly. |
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| 05:02.41 | sylar | what's the easiest way to ban an ip? |
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| 05:03.02 | insane | sylar: iptables?! |
| 05:03.15 | petemc_ | ip route add prohibit 1.2.3.4 , is one way, whether its easiest or not i dont know |
| 05:03.37 | sylar | and to remove the ban |
| 05:03.39 | sylar | ? |
| 05:03.49 | thirst | what is the easiest place to look at the diff a particular module between kernel versions.. |
| 05:03.53 | petemc_ | ip route del prohibit 1.2.3.4 |
| 05:03.57 | petemc_ | kinda obvious |
| 05:04.08 | sylar | petemc_, thanks |
| 05:04.12 | petemc_ | np |
| 05:04.37 | insane | petemc_, don't forget to mention, that banning a single IP is kinda useless most of the time |
| 05:04.57 | petemc_ | insane: whys that then? |
| 05:04.59 | insane | as the banned person will sooner or later reconnect (24 hours disconnect or manually) |
| 05:05.11 | insane | ;) |
| 05:05.15 | petemc_ | what? |
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| 05:05.42 | insane | As long as you ban a person with a dynamic IP it will only last for 24 hours |
| 05:05.58 | petemc_ | i dont think that makes it useless |
| 05:06.20 | insane | if you ban someone with a little knowledge he will bypass it in seconds |
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| 05:07.06 | petemc_ | it has its uses |
| 05:07.17 | insane | yeah, but very limited |
| 05:07.18 | petemc_ | and limitations, as do most things |
| 05:07.29 | petemc_ | its not very limited |
| 05:08.14 | insane | sure it is, because changing the IP bypasses the restriction |
| 05:08.26 | sylar | I have a single IP knocking on my email server for more than a week |
| 05:08.34 | sylar | connect, and abort |
| 05:08.40 | petemc_ | insane: you dont need to point out obvious things |
| 05:08.51 | petemc_ | and you certainly dont need to emphasise them |
| 05:09.11 | peterrooney | insane: I'm assigned address via DHCP, and it's changed once in the past two years. |
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| 05:09.43 | sylar | pretty useless imho , I don't know what they try to achieve just by connect and abort, no auth attempt, but I want a cleaner log so I banned it now |
| 05:09.44 | insane | peterrooney: I was talking about persons with an dynamic IP on the internet, not on local networks... |
| 05:09.58 | peterrooney | insane: so am i. |
| 05:10.20 | insane | Depending on your network provider it will change more often or less often... |
| 05:10.51 | insane | I get a new IP every 24 hours and most other people in Germany also do... |
| 05:11.09 | peterrooney | insane: yes, so "24 hours" isn't a number carved in stone |
| 05:11.12 | insane | However you can change the IP manually with a router reconnect usally |
| 05:11.23 | gnat_x | is there a new default place i can put xinput set-prop stuff? |
| 05:11.24 | insane | I could change it ten times in 20 seconds for example |
| 05:11.24 | Arrowmaster | maybe thats how it is for your isp in germany but a lot of people keep the same dynamic ip for extremely long periods of time |
| 05:11.34 | sylar | insane, but you people in germany drink 200ml of drink , with marked glasses, don't u |
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| 05:12.05 | insane | peterrooney: however... I guess you could easily change your IP if you wanted, right? |
| 05:12.22 | Arrowmaster | i once had the same dynamic ip from my isp for over 3 years |
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| 05:12.31 | peterrooney | if i changed the MAC address on my network card, maybe. |
| 05:12.50 | sylar | insane, probably u'r ISP want to be precise on the dynamicness of the dynamic IP |
| 05:13.08 | insane | However, sorry for the 24 hours ... but I just wanted to point out there will be a possibility that the person with the banned IP just changes it. |
| 05:13.28 | insane | sylar, most ISPs here do that behaviour |
| 05:13.33 | insane | have that* |
| 05:13.52 | sylar | insane, here they don't , maybe it is a German, thing, maybe a regulation |
| 05:14.18 | insane | However, I was not trying to piss someone off... just wanted to help |
| 05:14.54 | insane | in your case it will most likely be the best thing... |
| 05:14.56 | sylar | insane, o... it is ok, it is interesting to know how it is in other places |
| 05:15.26 | peterrooney | insane: yes, banning an IP address may be a momentary measure. |
| 05:15.53 | peterrooney | sylar may be looking for denyhosts... |
| 05:16.33 | sylar | insane, yea, I agree also that it may not last long, but interesting to try and see what will happen with that |
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| 05:16.45 | esaym153 | how do I update all packages except mdadm with aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 05:16.51 | peterrooney | sylar: scratch that, if they're not attempting to authorize, denyhosts probably won't have desired effect |
| 05:17.00 | petemc_ | esaym153: put it on hold |
| 05:17.01 | esaym153 | it is already in a hold but it still wants to upgrade |
| 05:17.18 | petemc_ | esaym153: you've verified it is on hold? |
| 05:17.22 | esaym153 | yes |
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| 05:17.50 | esaym153 | grub and mdadm are both on hold, grub is fine but mdadm wants to be updated |
| 05:18.00 | insane | by the way, does anybody already a know a provider which is using IPv6 on a huge scale? |
| 05:18.49 | sylar | peterrooney, I have fail2ban, but still, that guy doesn't try often enough to be banned once in 5 min |
| 05:18.53 | Rezagrats | Is there a single cd (700MB) version of debian in i386 form ? i can't seem to get the wireless working for a net install, so now i'm looking for a basic system install (with a graphical desktop of course) CD. |
| 05:19.26 | dkr | if I raised anyone's curiosity as to why eclipse is in stable and sid but not in testing, apparently the older version was orphaned intentionally: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.packages.java.devel/16087 http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/calling-eclipse-debian-and-ubuntu-users/ |
| 05:19.34 | sylar | insane, there is someone that forwards ipv6 |
| 05:19.51 | sylar | insane, called something like ipv6hole |
| 05:20.26 | dkr | Rezagrats: the first cd has the most needed packages... I'm not sure about it having all the gui stuff, but most likely it does |
| 05:20.38 | sylar | insane, but I didn't figure out what's good in tunneling through some hole on the other side of the globe |
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| 05:20.56 | insane | I meant a provider assigning IPv6 addresses not some forwarding from IPv4 to IPv6 ;) |
| 05:21.17 | dkr | Rezagrats: or you could try a newer version of netinst that might work better with your wireless card |
| 05:21.59 | sylar | I wonder when IPv6 will be widespread, my ISP want 10$/month for an IP |
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| 05:22.38 | Rezagrats | This is- as far as i know- the latest netinst version available that is stable. i downloaded it and burnt it to disk a day ago. |
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| 05:22.42 | Rezagrats | Dkr ^ |
| 05:23.06 | insane | Well, I personally think they will change if there are absolutely no more free addresses, they will only see the problem when they are close enough to it |
| 05:23.23 | insane | Like the year 2000 bugs they didnt see in 1998 or 1999 but on sylvester.... |
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| 05:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylar, the major ISPs try to discourage running servers on their DSL offers by the disconnect (trying to sell more expensive packages for that). It's not a regulation, call it a ... local custom |
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| 05:26.23 | insane | or just call it a cashcow |
| 05:26.58 | Rezagrats | Get a package from your ISP with the 'business' label. >_> |
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| 05:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wait... in 20 years every baby will get its own IP issued on birth |
| 05:27.44 | sylar | Some companies just don't have enough competition |
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| 05:28.11 | Rezagrats | CutMeOwnThroat, in america, it's called your Social Security number. |
| 05:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rezagrats, similar... only similar |
| 05:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't think you get that as a baby |
| 05:29.58 | Rezagrats | The baby gets it a few weeks after their birth certificate or something quick like that. |
| 05:30.22 | Rezagrats | The government wants to tag those things as soon as possible. |
| 05:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | RFID! |
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| 05:31.22 | sylar | resistance is futile |
| 05:31.48 | sylar | bag and tag |
| 05:31.55 | Rezagrats | Resistance is inexistant. |
| 05:34.04 | sylar | anyone know when IPv6 is supposed to be widespread? |
| 05:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2022 |
| 05:34.18 | insane | Oh yeah.... RFID chips are great ... for surveillance <.< |
| 05:34.26 | daltio | guys i want to set password expiry on my root account in debian ., how i do this |
| 05:34.30 | sylar | 2022??? |
| 05:34.33 | sylar | so long? |
| 05:34.38 | Rezagrats | 2015 by Cisco's predictions, insane. |
| 05:34.46 | Rezagrats | Er, sylar* |
| 05:35.02 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.08 | Rezagrats | I know. |
| 05:35.09 | insane | yea |
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| 05:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | daltio, "man passwd" "/expire" drops you at -e |
| 05:35.25 | sylar | I can be patient for 5 years |
| 05:35.35 | Rezagrats | And cisco is really pressing companies to make the move to ipv6. |
| 05:35.54 | insane | Who really wants to use IPv6 in local networks ._. |
| 05:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | daltio, I don't see how this can be useful for the root account - you don't want it to be locked if it fails |
| 05:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | to change pwd |
| 05:37.08 | daltio | yes i just want to set pwss expiry for 45 days after 45 days whn i login i ask me to change passwd thats it no lockout |
| 05:37.13 | sylar | well, if the ISPs equipment will get old, and all cisco offers would be IPv6, then they would have to go with the flow |
| 05:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | daltio, well, scroll down a bit further... --maxdays - still, you should read the whole thing to make sure the account doesn't get locked |
| 05:38.48 | daltio | CutMeownTHroat what u sugest is it good or bad |
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| 05:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you try it, you'll know |
| 05:41.50 | cryptic | hi, I'm trying to add a PTR record to a zone file... instead of doing something like "2 IN PTR a.b.com." can I specify "2.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA IN PTR a.b.com" ? |
| 05:41.52 | insane | by the way does anybody plan to buy new hardware?^^ |
| 05:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use new hardware from next week on |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses new hardware from next week on, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:42.41 | insane | -.- |
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| 05:50.59 | daltio | CutMeOwnThroat i need ur suggestion whether doing these things on debain is good or not act system admis dun change passwd keep on same since ages thats why thinking to set passwd expiry so that when days expire it ask admin to change |
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| 05:55.13 | dondelelcaro | StuBb0rn: |
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| 05:57.41 | sep | insane, everyone ? |
| 05:57.59 | insane | ?what? |
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| 05:58.23 | sep | cryptic, if you ignore your origin, you must terminate the domain with a . |
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| 05:58.48 | sep | insane, <insane> Who really wants to use IPv6 in local networks ._. :) |
| 05:59.00 | insane | ah, okay |
| 05:59.16 | sep | cryptic, example : "2.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA. IN PTR a.b.com" ? |
| 05:59.36 | insane | sep, why would I use ipv6 in local networks? |
| 05:59.40 | sep | cryptic, the . after arpa makes it not append the origin, |
| 05:59.45 | insane | to exclude Windows XP Users :D ? |
| 06:00.09 | sep | insane, end to end connectivity ! i can't wait to not have to mess around with hoops to get to where i need to be. |
| 06:00.27 | insane | hoops? |
| 06:00.41 | sep | jumping thru hoops to manage NAT |
| 06:00.52 | sep | ;) |
| 06:00.53 | insane | what the heck are hoops?^^ |
| 06:01.03 | sep | sorry too early and too little coffe |
| 06:01.18 | insane | I just don |
| 06:01.20 | insane | don |
| 06:01.22 | cryptic | thank you sep |
| 06:01.35 | insane | don't know the meaning of "hoops"... explain |
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| 06:02.35 | peterrooney | insane: "jump through hoops" == feeling circus animals have when training to do tricks |
| 06:02.43 | sep | insane, hoops is a ring, and there is a saying that goes something like "jump thu hoops" when you have to do extraodinary feats or do extra steps in order to acomplish something |
| 06:02.50 | sep | with ipv6 there are less hoops :) |
| 06:03.17 | insane | ok, sry I'm not a native speaker and haven't heard of that until now ;) |
| 06:03.23 | sep | also the feeling network tech have when trying to get $application to work with NAT'ed firewalls :) |
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| 06:04.49 | sep | insane, no worries :) |
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| 06:05.26 | insane | IPv6 is also a nice way to get rid of Windows XP Users ^^ |
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| 06:05.42 | sep | even frosting on the cake ! |
| 06:05.46 | sep | awesome |
| 06:06.01 | insane | now I am worried xD |
| 06:06.36 | sep | i though you was insane... :) |
| 06:06.44 | insane | a little |
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| 06:08.25 | insane | I tend asking myself if I am insane, or if a friend of mine is... He operates his CPU without Cooler, because it fell of ... and he is too lazy to re-mount it xDD |
| 06:08.33 | insane | I tend to ask myself* |
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| 06:09.56 | reseg | hi, 'apt-get update' hangs up here: 99% [Waiting for headers] |
| 06:10.03 | reseg | here's my sources: http://pastebin.com/H4fxJuqK |
| 06:10.18 | reseg | Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 06:10.38 | maginot | reseg, probably your videloan repository ? |
| 06:11.05 | maginot | try to comment out it and see what happen |
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| 06:12.46 | insane | wtf netsplit ._. |
| 06:12.46 | reseg | maginot, same thing |
| 06:12.46 | maginot | yeah... it's like sand storn... |
| 06:12.46 | reseg | (after commenting out the vlc lines) |
| 06:12.46 | maginot | reseg, try commenting out until you have none. If at sometime you get 100% so it's the last repo you commented... if not work ask again, I will try to help you. |
| 06:13.08 | insane | I guess the cleaner put too much water on one of the servers ^^ |
| 06:13.36 | reseg | maginot, I commented each and every line, and still the same thing |
| 06:14.03 | maginot | reseg, pastebin your full output... with the error please |
| 06:14.25 | reseg | maginot, http://pastebin.com/MyRCuqjX |
| 06:14.44 | reseg | it's just hung up at 98% |
| 06:16.17 | reseg | I'm a little confused by the Get:1 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [189B]. Why anything is being received by google is boggling my mind |
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| 06:16.28 | maginot | reseg, http://dl.google.com this doesn't make sense... |
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| 06:17.04 | maginot | reseg, are you editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:17.06 | maginot | ? |
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| 06:17.25 | reseg | maginot, yes, at the moment all lines are commented out. sec, I'll do another psatebin |
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| 06:18.45 | reseg | http://pastebin.com/drRa58R2 |
| 06:19.13 | cryptic | this is massively unfortunate: when i dig -x my ip address, it's giving an incorrect name (someone else's host, i imagine). is this my error, or does someone have an old zone file floating around? |
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| 06:19.37 | petemc_ | cryptic: do you control the reverse? |
| 06:19.58 | cryptic | no |
| 06:20.22 | petemc_ | so theres nothing you can do |
| 06:20.41 | petemc_ | i had ptr records for thegap.com for a few years on a /29 i had |
| 06:20.53 | cryptic | well that sucks; mail is bouncing because the PTR record doesn't match the A records for my domain |
| 06:21.29 | petemc_ | rejecting mail on that is a bit harsh, but some people do insist on it |
| 06:21.38 | cryptic | columbia.edu does |
| 06:21.52 | petemc_ | get on to whoever controls it, ask them fix |
| 06:21.55 | maginot | reseg, so it stays freeze on 98% ? |
| 06:22.00 | reseg | maginot, I do have Google Chrome installed. maybe that has to do with something? I should also mention that these days I cannot access any of google's services (there's a thread about it here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=6052fff553a29392&hl=en ) |
| 06:22.02 | reseg | maginot, yes |
| 06:22.16 | cryptic | alright, thanks petemc_ |
| 06:22.19 | petemc_ | np |
| 06:22.48 | cryptic | i hate lazy administrators. |
| 06:22.49 | maginot | reseg, try to do the follow and watch the result: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:22.53 | petemc_ | reseg: you can try deleting some files in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 06:23.26 | maginot | reseg, se if you can do apt-get update after that |
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| 06:24.52 | reseg | maginot, no effect |
| 06:24.59 | reseg | petemc_, everything in it? |
| 06:25.17 | petemc_ | reseg: no the archives dir, but you can delete the files |
| 06:25.22 | petemc_ | s/no/not/ |
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| 06:25.54 | reseg | okay, besides archives there's just pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin - I'll delete both of these |
| 06:26.38 | reseg | deleted. still hanging up |
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| 06:28.29 | petemc_ | reseg: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 06:29.45 | reseg | petemc_, yes: # ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 06:29.46 | reseg | google-chrome.list |
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| 06:32.09 | reseg | maginot, |
| 06:33.04 | reseg | I just commented out the "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main" in google-chrome.list and it's no longer hanging up |
| 06:33.11 | reseg | maginot, thanks. :) |
| 06:33.41 | maginot | reseg, Hmm makes I was going to tell you to delete it ;X |
| 06:33.48 | maginot | *makes sense |
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| 07:03.32 | lifestream | Erm... Why would my permissions on my home folder suddenly be wrong? |
| 07:05.01 | manixor | How can I set my sh script, to wait to a click event before close. I run it in a terminal, and when finish, the terminal is closed, how can I set it to remain open, for one more click, like in python, raw_input()? |
| 07:05.51 | dayo | manixor: try #bash |
| 07:06.01 | dayo | sounds more like their game |
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| 07:07.25 | daltio | guyz any idea how i implement pass expiry on my root user in debain |
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| 07:10.28 | kem_ | hi, I use preseed methon to install debian |
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| 07:11.03 | kem_ | I've remastered a DVD..but I cannot find a value to turn scan another DVD off in lenny |
| 07:11.23 | kem_ | so the installer still ask the question |
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| 07:33.32 | manu_hack | hi |
| 07:34.29 | manu_hack | know of any statistics program on Debian which can open SAS files? |
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| 07:39.15 | madara | or said in another way, is there any advantage of using powernowd instead of cpufreq utils? |
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| 07:57.21 | greenmang0 | hi friends... http://paste.debian.net/66389/ i am using this script on my gateway... what changes do i need to make in order to allow just 172.16.20.0/31... i tried few modifications but it didn't work |
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| 07:57.57 | madmuppet006 | hi |
| 07:57.59 | greenmang0 | all are probably sleeping on #netfilter... so asking here |
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| 08:04.25 | _TheAvatar | ah wait - looks like it might have used non-backports version actually - let me just check up on that first |
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| 08:10.54 | EagleWatch | HI all! My openvz on debian doesn't establish connection, but I have ping replies. any ideea? |
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| 08:17.33 | Steppenwolf | hi, anyone awake? |
| 08:17.42 | worr | yes |
| 08:18.23 | Steppenwolf | I have a program that starts up automaticallly when the windows open, how do I stop that? |
| 08:18.32 | simonrvn | sorta. shouldn't be. |
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| 08:19.02 | worr | what desktop environment are you running? |
| 08:19.07 | Steppenwolf | kde |
| 08:19.34 | worr | sorry, don't know how to solve that one off the top of my head |
| 08:19.51 | Steppenwolf | ta anyway, will try again in a few hours |
| 08:19.53 | worr | though there's probably a setting for it in KDE settings |
| 08:20.08 | Steppenwolf | Yup, but there is so many settings |
| 08:20.25 | Steppenwolf | book fell on keyboard while I was away |
| 08:21.03 | Steppenwolf | and now about 40 instances of ksnapshot start when window opens |
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| 08:29.41 | brokencycle | hi |
| 08:30.31 | brokencycle | i'm having trouble with some debian services, eg. paste.debian.net. i can ping the server quite fine, but the pastebin does not load |
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| 08:31.01 | brokencycle | i mean, loading an existing paste times out. I can get the upload page just fine |
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| 09:00.46 | detritux | hi all. I have a question: I need to boot from a external hard-drive (usb) which is partitionned as a lvm with my "/" partition in the lvm. My grub is installed on the internal Hard drive of the computer. I'm using grub. any ideas ? |
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| 09:02.41 | simonrvn | if peecees had OF i'd say change boot-device to whatever the new device is then boot from that, but they don't. |
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| 09:03.29 | simonrvn | otherwise tell grub to change root load the kernel fom the new root, put in some args and boot from that |
| 09:04.35 | detritux | well... I don't know much about grub, so that's why I'm asking here :) |
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| 09:05.16 | jimcooncat | detritux: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:_pssgiT-MAQJ:grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID+grub+lvm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 09:05.47 | detritux | yeah i read that and tried it but it didn't work for me :S |
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| 09:14.04 | root_grapefruit | How can I choose between manpages with the same name? |
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| 09:14.12 | root_grapefruit | they have a number but how do i use it? |
| 09:14.52 | themill | root_grapefruit: "man 7 regex" or "man 3 regex" for example. |
| 09:15.08 | dutchfish | How can i find out if the latest DSA for coreutils as in QA is implemented for coreutils? (Debian/lenny/i386) |
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| 09:15.34 | themill | !tracker of doom |
| 09:15.34 | dpkg | somebody said tracker of doom was a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 09:15.50 | dutchfish | themill: thank you |
| 09:16.00 | themill | any time |
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| 09:22.10 | Without | Hi, possible to install Software RAID0 by using ssh only? |
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| 09:22.51 | root_grapefruit | hello can somebody tell me how to change the samba password via the console by just one command(i mean without clicking enter) the name of the user is his sambausername |
| 09:22.54 | ethanol | question; would anyone here know why debian defaults to off for rp_filter ? |
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| 09:28.37 | ambuli | hi all, what does dpkg-source: warning: extracting unsigned source package error means ?. i am not able to understand. could someone help me ? |
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| 09:31.00 | vlt | !info metamail |
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| 09:34.33 | vlt | Hello. What happened to pkg "metamail"? |
| 09:35.06 | vlt | It's available on lenny but not on squeeze anymore. |
| 09:35.23 | themill | ,versions metamail |
| 09:35.24 | judd | metamail -- etch: 2.7-52; lenny: 2.7-54 |
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| 09:36.04 | themill | See http://bugs.debian.org/274451 |
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| 09:38.48 | Without | Hi, possible to install Software RAID0 by using ssh only? |
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| 09:41.09 | vlt | Without: Yes. |
| 09:41.42 | vlt | Without: You just need the mdadm command. |
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| 09:43.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just installed debian with no desktop environment, and manually installed gnome. But I can't remember what package I need to have the network icon in the system notification area. |
| 09:44.32 | SolarisBoy | network-manager? |
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| 09:45.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm I have it installed. I thought that was the one I needed but its still not showing up in the system tray. |
| 09:45.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Any idea why its not? |
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| 09:49.11 | chellomere | nm-applet? |
| 09:49.32 | chellomere | never mind, that's just the name of the binary |
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| 09:50.01 | zdrowaska | Hi how to calculate delay in local network ? |
| 09:50.02 | chellomere | it's in network-manager-gnome |
| 09:50.13 | chellomere | zdrowaska, ping? |
| 09:50.29 | zdrowaska | but in bytes no in microsecs |
| 09:50.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ive rebooted and tried removing and adding back the notification applet. I have network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed. |
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| 09:51.03 | zdrowaska | I noeed to know how to calculate in diffrent cables |
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| 09:51.44 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can anybody recommend a set of smtp/imap/pop3 servers that has a decent web frontend, and supporting smtp auth, and mail auto replies? we're currently using postfix+courier, with no frontend |
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| 09:52.40 | Stereo | Super_Cat_Frog: postfix+dovecot+postfixadmin |
| 09:53.09 | zdrowaska | FU |
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| 09:55.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Trying a reboot. |
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| 09:58.12 | jackslayton | hi there |
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| 09:58.45 | jackslayton | i just installed debian 5.04 on a virtualbox and want to acces Apach2 on the Guest system from the Host system |
| 09:58.59 | jackslayton | do i have to configure som stuff to get it to work? |
| 09:59.06 | chellomere | zdrowaska, measure delay in bytes?? |
| 09:59.34 | vlt | jackslayton: You need to have and know an IP address of the virtual machine. |
| 09:59.46 | jackslayton | at the moment i get a "timelimit exceedet" |
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| 10:00.17 | jackslayton | ye i know it from ifconfig |
| 10:00.24 | merlin83 | is there a freebsd's sysinstall alternative in debian to provide a curses-based post-install configuration? e.g. add a new network interface |
| 10:00.33 | jackslayton | and im trying http://10.0.3.15:80 in my host's firefox |
| 10:01.04 | vlt | jackslayton: Is your host in the 10.* network too? |
| 10:01.26 | jackslayton | no my local network is 192.168.178.x |
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| 10:02.35 | vlt | jackslayton: Then you wo't get anywhere :( What virtualisation platform do you Use? |
| 10:02.43 | jackslayton | VirtualBox |
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| 10:03.34 | vlt | jackslayton: You need to tell virtualbox to bridge your host's nic and the virtual ones. |
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| 10:04.04 | jackslayton | ok, i'll try that |
| 10:04.11 | cristi82 | hi. for a while, i had root's umask 077. this somehow broke new installed packages, as in normal users can't read installed directories :| .. is there a way i can fix this without waiting for "can't read directory" errors and then change permissions ? |
| 10:04.15 | vlt | jackslayton: If it's just for a quick test you can try a workararoud: |
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| 10:05.14 | jackslayton | Failed to open/create the internal network 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_SUPDRV_COMPONENT_NOT_FOUND). |
| 10:05.33 | jackslayton | i cant start the virtual machine anymore ;) |
| 10:05.55 | jackslayton | if i select "bridged" |
| 10:06.06 | vlt | jackslayton: You could use ssh forwarding from the virtual machine to your host: `ssh -R 8000:127.0.0.1:80 192.168.178.x` and then open http://localhost:8000 on the host |
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| 10:07.00 | vlt | jackslayton: But consider this a quick'n'dirty hack ;-) |
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| 10:09.38 | jackslayton | vlt, connection to host 192.168... port 22: Connection refused |
| 10:09.40 | Mowee | Salut :] |
| 10:09.53 | jackslayton | do i have to configure something on the host? |
| 10:09.57 | jackslayton | hi |
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| 10:10.22 | vlt | jackslayton: Can you do any networking at all from the guest? |
| 10:10.34 | alex_kocharin | cristi82: you can chmod all files/directories in some directory... for example, "find /usr -type d -exec chmod a+rx {} \;" allows all users to read all directories in /usr - but its not very secure i think |
| 10:10.48 | vlt | jackslayton: Don't try ping (if virtualbox is liek qemu) ;-) |
| 10:11.01 | jackslayton | yep,, e.g. paket installation works fine |
| 10:11.50 | vlt | jackslayton: Ok, so you can connect to arbitrary IP addresses. Why does your host refuse ssh connections? |
| 10:12.10 | alex_kocharin | cristi82: or you can set normal umask and reinstall all packages which have been installed incorrectly |
| 10:12.11 | cristi82 | alex_kocharin: is there a way to search for dirs with permissions drwx--S--- ? |
| 10:12.24 | chellomere | does it have an sshd running? :) |
| 10:12.27 | jackslayton | vlt, dunno, is there something to configure first? |
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| 10:12.36 | vlt | jackslayton: Firewall setting? SSH installe dat all? |
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| 10:12.44 | alex_kocharin | cristi82: hmm... try "man find" :) |
| 10:12.53 | vlt | needs an ew keyboard |
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| 10:18.41 | jackslayton | vlt, tried to play around with hosts.allow but it didnt work |
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| 10:19.12 | jackslayton | i'll just try it on the real system, when the hardware arrives ^^ |
| 10:19.37 | SSL` | . |
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| 10:23.53 | cristi82 | alex_kocharin: done :D hope i didn't unsecured something in the process :D .. can you tell me if `find /usr -type d -perm "u=rwx,g=s" -uid 0` returns anything on a normal system? (so i can undo my chmod dor them if it does) |
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| 10:25.32 | krion | hi |
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| 10:29.35 | alex_kocharin | `find /usr -type d -perm "u=rwx,g=s" -uid 0` simply lists all matched directories... run it to see which directories have this attributes in /usr (hmm... maybe it should be "/", not just "/usr") |
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| 10:30.47 | alex_kocharin | to chmod all these files, you can append "-exec" statement (see "man find"), for example "-exec chmod 0755 {} \;" |
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| 10:32.42 | cristi82 | alex_kocharin: yep, i did that -exec chmod, but i wonder if some directories are in fact supposed to have those permissions, for security purposes? |
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| 10:34.29 | visof | hello |
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| 10:34.49 | visof | how can i know my gateway address from command line, ifconfig don't show me ? |
| 10:34.58 | cristi82 | route -n |
| 10:35.10 | alex_kocharin | cristi82: drwx--S--- is very strange permissions... i cant find any such directory in my system |
| 10:36.14 | cristi82 | alex_kocharin: great :) .. thanks |
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| 10:38.15 | levabalkin | hello #debian, I'm looking for the glibc manuals, and I can't find a package that contains the info version . manpages-dev or glibc-doc does not seem to provide the manual in info format .... any hints ? |
| 10:38.20 | Arrowmaster | drwx--S--- sounds like maybe you tried to do a chmod -R g+s? |
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| 10:39.46 | cristi82 | Arrowmaster: i was having root's umask 077, and compiled and installed a package |
| 10:40.18 | cristi82 | Arrowmaster: i see group's s bit is a common thing in /usr .. and the group is "staff" |
| 10:41.05 | Arrowmaster | ok i think i know what happened |
| 10:41.07 | vlt | Hello. How can I tell sendmail to use smarthost for all mails? |
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| 10:42.10 | Arrowmaster | a parent directory was g+s but since you used umask 077 there are no group or other rwx permissions on what was just installed |
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| 10:42.52 | Arrowmaster | since the dir is g-x thats why it shows as a capital S in ls instead of a lowercase s |
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| 10:43.41 | cristi82 | Arrowmaster: yep.. :) |
| 10:43.46 | Arrowmaster | drwxrwsr-x 10 root staff 4.0K 2009-08-06 18:17 local/ |
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| 10:44.15 | Arrowmaster | default permissions on /usr/local is g+rwxs and group set to staff |
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| 11:01.33 | nexxu | hi, if you dist-upgrade from lenny to sid will it upgrade my kde3x to kde4x ? |
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| 11:02.11 | babilen | yes |
| 11:02.23 | nexxu | :( ok, thanks |
| 11:02.41 | babilen | and don't run sid |
| 11:02.48 | nexxu | why ? |
| 11:03.49 | babilen | !why not sid |
| 11:03.50 | dpkg | sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive Debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable. |
| 11:04.37 | nexxu | i don`t mind that it's "unstable" |
| 11:04.47 | nexxu | sid= newer version of software |
| 11:05.03 | rvsjoen | .. |
| 11:05.15 | babilen | !sns syndrome |
| 11:05.18 | rvsjoen | don't forget sid == frequent breakage |
| 11:05.23 | nexxu | not really |
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| 11:05.27 | rvsjoen | ok fine |
| 11:05.33 | babilen | have fun then |
| 11:05.37 | nexxu | yes :) |
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| 11:06.00 | cristi82 | !sns syndrome |
| 11:06.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 11:06.10 | rvsjoen | hehe, nice one |
| 11:06.20 | babilen | dpkg: wb |
| 11:06.20 | dpkg | thanks, babilen. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:07.18 | babilen | nexxu: Just keep in mind that sid is *not* supported in here |
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| 11:07.51 | smhar | hello |
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| 11:08.51 | smhar | I am connecting to the net using a usb hauwei device using wvdial. the problem is.. it sometimes disconnect and I need to run wvdial again.. is there a way to make rerun automatically? |
| 11:10.03 | cristi82 | smhar: how are you connecting to the net? gui? a simple command? |
| 11:10.44 | nexxu | babilen: ok:).. i was just wondering about kde versions... |
| 11:11.13 | cristi82 | smhar: oh, i see that wvdial is a command-line tool.. you could write a wrapper script in a few bash lines.. |
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| 11:11.38 | cristi82 | smhar: that is if you can't find an option to auto-reconnect |
| 11:12.08 | smhar | cristi82, wvdial has a default of reconnect but It does not seem to work |
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| 11:14.43 | Am1ne | hi |
| 11:15.01 | Am1ne | how to setup new extensions in php under debian ? |
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| 11:16.30 | babilen | smhar: Could you file a bug about that? "/msg dpkg reportbug" to learn how |
| 11:16.47 | egoleo | i am using debian etch and is using kernel 2.6.18 and i have install 2.6.24 but is not showing up. how do i use the new kernel i have installed? |
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| 11:17.37 | themill | egoleo: you probably really want to be upgrading to lenny at this stage. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 11:18.28 | egoleo | no i dont want lenny. bcos i am using kaspersky for samba and it needs only this specific version of debian with that kernel |
| 11:19.26 | egoleo | is there a way to use this new kernel i have installed? |
| 11:19.30 | babilen | egoleo: Are you aware of the fact that etch no longer receives security updates? |
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| 11:19.41 | egoleo | yes i know |
| 11:21.40 | themill | so you have an ultra-secure version of samba, and a vulnerable kernel. Sounds like a good way of doing things. |
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| 11:22.22 | themill | dpkg: tell egoleo about etchnhalf |
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| 11:24.22 | egoleo | i have installed echnhalf |
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| 11:24.29 | egoleo | but when i do uname -a |
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| 11:24.34 | egoleo | i dont see the new kernel |
| 11:24.41 | egoleo | is still 2.6.18 |
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| 11:26.03 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxguy about root |
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| 11:26.45 | egoleo | is there a way to enable a new kernel installation? |
| 11:26.48 | themill | egoleo: etchnhalf is just some extra packages being available. You need to actually install the kernel package by name. Use "apt-cache search" to find the correct name. |
| 11:27.30 | egoleo | i did that |
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| 11:27.59 | egoleo | aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-all |
| 11:28.04 | egoleo | i even install that |
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| 11:28.28 | egoleo | so how do i remove the 2.6.18 and replace with the 2.6.24 |
| 11:29.05 | rgr | I totally failed to install phpmyadmin in squeeze using the documented way (linking the apache.conf provided with phpmyadmin to provide a new directory alias into apache2/conf.d) and ended up linking /usr/share/phpmyadmin into /var/www. Just wondering if anyone here managed to get it working without linking into var/www? |
| 11:30.00 | babilen | egoleo: Paste the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf" to a pastebin please |
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| 11:30.42 | El_Angelo | is debian stable working with fglrx ? |
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| 11:30.46 | babilen | egoleo: adapt that to whatever architecture you are using |
| 11:30.56 | egoleo | W: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 11:30.56 | babilen | El_Angelo: yes |
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| 11:31.10 | El_Angelo | hmmm k |
| 11:31.14 | El_Angelo | i might wanna try it then |
| 11:31.44 | rgr | El_Angelo: depends totally on your card. |
| 11:31.45 | babilen | !tell El_Angelo -about fglrx |
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| 11:32.24 | El_Angelo | no need to spam me :D |
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| 11:33.01 | El_Angelo | but thnx for the help :) |
| 11:33.10 | babilen | El_Angelo: Hey, that's no spam! (although it might have been unsolicited) |
| 11:33.22 | El_Angelo | i was kidding |
| 11:33.24 | El_Angelo | it's fine |
| 11:33.32 | El_Angelo | lenny is stable? |
| 11:33.35 | babilen | yes |
| 11:33.35 | El_Angelo | oh |
| 11:33.37 | El_Angelo | k |
| 11:33.46 | El_Angelo | i hate those codenames |
| 11:33.48 | El_Angelo | can't follow |
| 11:33.56 | ferr | :) |
| 11:34.01 | ferr | sid is always sid:) |
| 11:34.08 | El_Angelo | stable - testing - unstable... that is something i can understand... the other names i just forget... |
| 11:34.13 | El_Angelo | can't get a grip on it |
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| 11:34.48 | RichiH | release names are moving constantly, whereas codenames are moving just once |
| 11:35.14 | RichiH | i.e. lenny started as testing and now that it's stable, it will remain in (more or less) the same state |
| 11:35.19 | babilen | egoleo: You probably haven't configured your system for packages from etchnhalf - check the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list |
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| 11:35.27 | El_Angelo | don't try to explain... i hate codenames |
| 11:35.31 | RichiH | a sources.list entry pointing to lenny will give you the same result in 10 years |
| 11:35.34 | El_Angelo | then call it 5.0.4 |
| 11:35.38 | El_Angelo | or 5.x series |
| 11:35.41 | El_Angelo | or whatever |
| 11:35.53 | RichiH | if you point it to 'stable' you are moving automagically, at some point |
| 11:36.00 | El_Angelo | it clearly shows what i need to know... while lenny just doesn't say *ANYTHING* to me |
| 11:36.03 | RichiH | both variants have pros and cons |
| 11:36.10 | themill | RichiH: moving automatically to a broken system |
| 11:36.36 | egoleo | ok |
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| 11:37.20 | El_Angelo | imho it's a stupid ubuntu derivative naming scheme... and yes it's IMHO |
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| 11:37.34 | themill | eh? |
| 11:37.39 | El_Angelo | anyway... let's stop this off topic |
| 11:37.40 | themill | warms up the trollstamp |
| 11:38.14 | Am1ne | I want to unset the shell variable $http_proxy, I did unset $http_proxy, but it told me : bash: unset: `http://127.0.0.1:3128/': not a valid identifier |
| 11:38.34 | El_Angelo | themill: all i mean it's feeling like some 'protecting of the user' like in the way that i can't handle version names that are expressed in numbers |
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| 11:38.48 | themill | Am1ne: leave off the $ |
| 11:38.58 | Meaw | hi, how do i find a specific line in all files in debian? |
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| 11:39.12 | Meaw | in a directory i mean |
| 11:39.31 | nkuttler | Meaw: grep? |
| 11:39.32 | themill | El_Angelo: the number used to be assigned quite close to release time while the code name was decided a year or two |
| 11:39.33 | babilen | Meaw: Use grep (grep -re "the line you are searching for" /path/to/dir) |
| 11:39.34 | El_Angelo | grep -R |
| 11:39.34 | Am1ne | themill, opps.. it works thanks |
| 11:40.06 | themill | Am1ne: no worries. The variable is actually http_proxy; to get the _contents_ of the variable, you use $http_proxy. |
| 11:40.29 | Meaw | thanks |
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| 11:41.44 | babilen | Meaw: That will search the directories beneath /path/to/dir recursively - If you just want to search a given set of files, don't use -r/-R, but use globbing to specify the files. Example: grep -e "the line you are searching for" /path/to/dir/* |
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| 11:43.52 | egoleo | http://pastebin.com/nc0kpmsP |
| 11:44.01 | egoleo | babilen: http://pastebin.com/nc0kpmsP |
| 11:44.47 | babilen | egoleo: Well, do you see what is wrong? (hint: missing repositories for etch, you just have security) |
| 11:45.01 | egoleo | hmm |
| 11:45.07 | egoleo | so how can i fix this please |
| 11:45.42 | themill | egoleo: are you sure you wouldn't be better off running lenny? |
| 11:45.42 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 11:45.42 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:45.48 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 11:45.59 | babilen | egoleo: ^^^^^ |
| 11:46.12 | egoleo | yes |
| 11:46.16 | babilen | egoleo: s/lenny/etch |
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| 11:46.23 | rysiek|pl | anybody would care to offer a bit insight on picking up the right virtualisation tech? |
| 11:46.27 | egoleo | bcos kasppersky wont work |
| 11:46.29 | rysiek|pl | i.e. KVM vs. Xen? |
| 11:46.33 | egoleo | on lenny |
| 11:46.34 | egoleo | so if u can help me get |
| 11:46.35 | rysiek|pl | and yes, for Debian ;) |
| 11:46.39 | egoleo | will be happy |
| 11:46.51 | valdyn | rysiek|pl: to virtualise what? |
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| 11:47.41 | Am1ne | themill, thank you ! for the advice ! |
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| 11:48.43 | babilen | rysiek|pl: You might want to read: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/02/msg00653.html |
| 11:48.44 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: a few VMs for our lab projects; all debian machines |
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| 11:48.55 | rysiek|pl | babilen: thanks, reading it |
| 11:49.13 | valdyn | rysiek|pl: vms containing what? debian or windows? |
| 11:49.28 | babilen | rysiek|pl: Also read the wiki page mentioned in that mail. But pray continue, it is hard to suggest a specific technology if we don't know your needs |
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| 11:50.21 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: "all debian machines" ;) |
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| 11:50.34 | themill | egoleo: are you sure it doesn't work with lenny? The .deb they provide doesn't declare any versioned dependencies that would stop it from working in lenny (but it's also one of the worst debs I've seen from an ISV). |
| 11:50.37 | valdyn | rysiek|pl: some paravirtualisation is probably better then |
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| 11:50.45 | valdyn | rysiek|pl: like uml or lguest or whatever |
| 11:51.05 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: uml? lguest? okay, googling |
| 11:51.16 | valdyn | !lguest |
| 11:51.27 | themill | wonders why and ISV would declare a dependency on a release that lost security support 2 years ago. |
| 11:52.00 | egoleo | yes they need that, actually i am using old version of kaspersky http://support.kaspersky.com/linux_file57?level=3 |
| 11:52.18 | egoleo | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4 (kernel 2.6.24) |
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| 11:53.04 | valdyn | guess lguest isnt really good for production, but what do i know |
| 11:53.11 | themill | egoleo: those are quite probably minimum requriements rather than absolute requirement. But who really knows. |
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| 11:53.58 | egoleo | actaully we complain that is what they specifically said |
| 11:54.13 | valdyn | rysiek|pl: kvm and the likes have more features but uml should be faster |
| 11:54.50 | themill | egoleo: I personally wouldn't trust any security software from a vendor that is insisting that you use an unsupported release. |
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| 11:55.53 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: okay, readin into it |
| 11:55.55 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
| 11:56.06 | egoleo | hmm |
| 11:56.27 | egoleo | anyway looks like if we dont follow it wont work |
| 11:56.34 | egoleo | and u know i am not the boss |
| 11:56.38 | jelly | egoleo, themill: well there's also RHEL5 and Ubuntu LTS 8.04 on that list, they're still supported |
| 11:56.40 | egoleo | so can of have to solve this |
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| 11:57.30 | themill | jelly: yeah, but so is etch. On one of their other pages, they say that you must be running Sarge ffs. |
| 11:57.44 | jelly | funny how Ubuntu now has longer support than Debian now. :-> |
| 11:58.07 | themill | jelly: for about 5 core packages and only for the occasional version... |
| 11:58.37 | jelly | themill: that's infinitely more than Debian 4 support |
| 11:58.52 | valdyn | !etch |
| 11:58.52 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 11:59.46 | jelly | Just saying, the vendor isn't "insisting" on unsupported platforms, since some of them are still supported by the platform vendor |
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| 12:01.00 | themill | jelly: as a security vendor, the vendor should have more clue than to include etch on that list (plus a pile of other EOL distributions like FC9). If the vendor isn't clueful enough to do that, would you believe they're as clueful as they claim to be on the rest of their security products? |
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| 12:02.45 | jelly | themill: you're asking me? I was running an antispam solution on unsupported Debian 5, $vendor added support in January. And their check still fails if /etc/debian_version contains 5.0.4 instead of 5. |
| 12:02.58 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: "faster" KVM uses VT-x and AMD-V, right? UML does use it? |
| 12:03.17 | themill | jelly: oh yay |
| 12:03.44 | jelly | themill: and yes, I still trust that vendor to do their part well. I don't expect them to follow moving targets like Linux distros. |
| 12:04.48 | jelly | (also, they answer my support requests even if I'm running on "unsupported" OS) |
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| 12:06.58 | rysiek|pl | so we're down to KVM vs UML |
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| 12:07.57 | mactux | can anyone do me a script that makes a mirror structure of a external hd ? |
| 12:08.37 | p0g0 | what's the debian app that reports hand installed packages to dpkg? |
| 12:08.38 | babilen | mactux: Take a look at rsync |
| 12:09.09 | babilen | p0g0: What do you mean by "hand installed" ? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:09.54 | p0g0 | babilen: there is an app that will report to the dpkg database that an application without a .deb was installed. |
| 12:10.03 | p0g0 | I'm trying to recall the name of it |
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| 12:11.00 | babilen | !equivs |
| 12:11.00 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 12:11.01 | themill | p0g0: equivs... but be sure that you really know what you're doing. You're better off with reworking the debian packages (/msg dpkg uupdate ; /msg dpkg package recompile ; /msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 12:11.41 | mactux | but i don't want to clone the external hd i want a copy of it but with empty files |
| 12:11.43 | p0g0 | themill: thanks, I'll read up. I don't know what I am doing, to be sure. |
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| 12:12.07 | themill | p0g0: specifically, what are you trying to achieve here |
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| 12:14.01 | p0g0 | I have a nifty script for a current * install, the hand installed base that I have been using has issues with upgrading (nehemiah board, other funnies), I thought I'd look at improving the script. I don't know what issues make the latest .deb for * 1.1x, the current release it 1.6. |
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| 12:16.43 | aguitel | i am running squeeze and i want to hide windows in the grub menu ,how i do that |
| 12:17.52 | jeff_hann | aguitel, what windows? |
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| 12:18.09 | jeff_hann | hide the menu? |
| 12:18.10 | aguitel | jeff_hann, windows xp |
| 12:18.17 | jeff_hann | oh |
| 12:18.46 | jeff_hann | just comment the line 'title ...' in grub.cfg |
| 12:18.47 | aguitel | jeff_hann, i have squeeze+windows+ubuntu |
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| 12:22.18 | jeff_hann | aguitel, the file is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 12:22.56 | aguitel | jeff_hann, http://pastebin.com/52wv4iQJ |
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| 12:23.29 | aguitel | jeff_hann, could you show me what to hide |
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| 12:24.10 | jeff_hann | this file was generated by Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 12:24.26 | aguitel | jeff_hann, is for debian |
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| 12:24.37 | aguitel | jeff_hann, my last os |
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| 12:26.05 | jeff_hann | aguitel, edit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober |
| 12:26.14 | jeff_hann | comments start with a '#' |
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| 12:26.38 | jeff_hann | if you put #'s at the beginning of a line, it will be ignored |
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| 12:27.12 | jeff_hann | so do that to the menuentry regarding windows |
| 12:27.18 | rysiek|pl | valdyn: so do I get that right: UML is easier to set-up, but KVM is more enterprise-ready and full-fatured? |
| 12:27.23 | jeff_hann | then run grub-mkconfig |
| 12:28.07 | aguitel | jeff_hann, http://pastebin.com/uELB4Xed |
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| 12:28.55 | jeff_hann | grub-mkconfig is supposed to be RUN as root |
| 12:29.00 | jeff_hann | not edited |
| 12:30.02 | jeff_hann | aguitel, by the way, why do you want windows hidden? |
| 12:30.24 | aguitel | jeff_hann, prevent my son to boot this os |
| 12:30.30 | jeff_hann | :) |
| 12:30.44 | jeff_hann | aguitel, ok; did you understand what I told you? |
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| 12:31.31 | aguitel | jeff_hann, could you make the new file for me in pastebin? |
| 12:31.39 | openstandards | rysiek|pl, kvm is a fully virtualised sysyem meaning you can run freebsd, solaris or windows inside it |
| 12:32.17 | openstandards | uml is more like openvz somewhat i believe |
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| 12:32.42 | jeff_hann | aguitel, if you look at the first line of grub.cfg, it says do not edit this file |
| 12:32.56 | jeff_hann | you have to do exactly as I said |
| 12:33.00 | jeff_hann | it ain't hard |
| 12:33.40 | openstandards | rysiek|pl, what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 12:36.42 | smhar | I have installed debian squeeze on a relative notebook, double booting with windows vista. she later upgraded to windows 7 destroying grub. how to restore it back? |
| 12:37.02 | jeff_hann | smhar, boot a live cd |
| 12:37.19 | jeff_hann | and run grub-install (hd0) |
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| 12:37.38 | jeff_hann | hd0 is the first HDD |
| 12:37.46 | jeff_hann | replace as/if needed |
| 12:37.56 | smhar | jeff_hann, any life will do? |
| 12:38.09 | jeff_hann | smhar, sorry? |
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| 12:38.43 | smhar | jeff_hann, any distro life cd? |
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| 12:38.50 | babilen | smhar: s/life/live - and yes |
| 12:38.59 | openstandards | rysiek|pl, http://wiki.openvz.org/Main_Page check out that |
| 12:39.05 | jeff_hann | as babilen says :) |
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| 12:39.10 | babilen | !tell smhar -about fixmbr |
| 12:39.11 | smhar | babilen, oops |
| 12:39.11 | rickogden | hi all, I've just installed Debian and I get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" and then it comes up with a very minimal shell with (initramfs)... any idea what's causing it? |
| 12:39.14 | openstandards | uml is one of the oldest methods |
| 12:39.32 | babilen | smhar: That is the basic procedure - If you use a live CD only the "how to chroot" part is relevant for you |
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| 12:42.54 | rysiek|pl | openstandards: soo... what are the pros and cons against kvm |
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| 12:44.51 | openstandards | uses up more resources as you are fully virtualizing the machine |
| 12:45.12 | dokma | funny.... how can this stall? dig domain.tld @xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where the ip is the ip of the machine on which this was executed??? |
| 12:46.15 | dokma | and the next time it returns a response but with a delay... |
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| 12:46.38 | openstandards | rysiek|pl, http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison its kinda out dated but gives you an idea of what platforms exist |
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| 12:47.06 | visof | hello |
| 12:47.16 | rysiek|pl | openstandards: thanks a lot |
| 12:47.24 | visof | is there anyone tried Debian on Dell latitude D620 ? |
| 12:47.58 | dokma | guyz my dig queries keep timing out... for example dig evorion.hr @89.149.209.209 times often even though I run it on the very same machine where the dns server is. |
| 12:48.08 | dokma | how to go about this gimmick? |
| 12:48.30 | petemc_ | dokma: if its bind, you can toggle verbose logging with rndc querylog |
| 12:48.44 | dokma | petemc_: it's powerdns with mysql backend |
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| 12:59.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:59.01 | dpkg | <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
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| 13:03.20 | zrin | I'm trying to find out how to enable gdlib v2 for php (mod) in lenny :(for over 1 hour now): phpinfo lists /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/gd.ini as parsed, there is an /usr/lib/php5/20060613/gd.so, I've also tried "ln -s /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 /usr/lib/php5/20060613/gd2.so" and using "extension=gd2.so" in gd.ini - but without success: "Fatal error: Call to undefined function gd_info()" |
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| 13:06.12 | themill | zrin: the debian package php5-gd provides /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so already. |
| 13:06.49 | themill | (note different patch and different .so file and it's a php extension not libgd.so) |
| 13:07.09 | themill | s/patch/path/ |
| 13:08.31 | zrin | themill: I have php5-gd installed |
| 13:08.32 | zrin | themill: php5-gd 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8 |
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| 13:08.32 | themill | then you probably want to undo all the other changes that you made as they aren't required and probably break things since they're plain wrong. |
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| 13:14.08 | mick_home | themill: still having issues? |
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| 13:30.35 | Bisu[Shield] | how do i update from php 5.2.9 to 5.2.13? |
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| 13:30.39 | Bisu[Shield] | im on ubuntu |
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| 13:30.43 | zealiod | how can i upgrade my ethernet drivers? |
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| 13:31.50 | jeff_hann | Bisu[Shield], go to #ubuntu |
| 13:32.01 | Bisu[Shield] | no one there |
| 13:32.05 | jeff_hann | whoa |
| 13:32.21 | jeff_hann | my client says 1394 people |
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| 13:33.35 | rudi_s | !tell Bisu[Shield] about ubuntu |
| 13:33.58 | Am1ne | I want to use scp to download files from a remote server !! how it works ? |
| 13:34.10 | jeff_hann | Am1ne, man scp |
| 13:34.42 | rudi_s | Am1ne: scp user@server:path/to/file . to copy file to the current directory. |
| 13:34.50 | jeff_hann | and for starters, scp user@host:folder destination |
| 13:34.56 | rudi_s | If you want to copy directories use scp -r user@server:path . |
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| 13:35.20 | Am1ne | ok thanks |
| 13:35.27 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:37.17 | zrin | themill: thank you, your comment was helpful, setting "extension_dir" prevented loading of gd.so ... |
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| 13:53.08 | themill | zrin: excellent! pleased to have been of service ;) |
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| 13:59.42 | ptotterm | I have LVM on dm-crypt, how can I "mount" this in the installer so that I can create a new lv inside the vg without destroying the current content? |
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| 14:05.05 | cguzman | please help in ram controller MPC55 for HP ML115 G5 |
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| 14:11.51 | sdousley1work | Hi, I'm trying to get GD support with freetype fonts, does anyone know of a package that might do this? At present, the box is running Etch, and I'm still checking wether it's possible to go to Lenny, though not sure this will be possible. |
| 14:12.48 | jeff_hann | cguzman, what is the problem? |
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| 14:14.42 | cguzman | what happens is the output of lshw as the driver goes unclaimed |
| 14:15.11 | jeff_hann | so it's a nvidia chipset, right? |
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| 14:15.18 | cguzman | yep |
| 14:15.30 | cguzman | server is HP ML115 G5 |
| 14:15.37 | jeff_hann | ok, do a lshw -v | grep memory and paste the result |
| 14:16.10 | cguzman | ok |
| 14:16.11 | jeff_hann | in pastebin |
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| 14:17.24 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool similar to pfstat for linux. Thanks. |
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| 14:18.22 | f00bar80 | any pptp graphical client for debian-lenny ? |
| 14:18.48 | Titan8990 | network-manager may do pptp |
| 14:19.03 | cguzman | mm pastebin.com? |
| 14:19.11 | jeff_hann | yeah |
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| 14:20.16 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, networki-manager-pptp ? |
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| 14:20.58 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: yep |
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| 14:22.28 | cguzman | this is http://pastebin.com/84i652Yj |
| 14:23.00 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, if i'm using to connect to the internet using pppd on 3G usb modem , can i still use pptp for this connection |
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| 14:23.16 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: don't know |
| 14:23.18 | cguzman | I feel the same ubuntu server 64bit or debian lenny 64bit |
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| 14:24.36 | jeff_hann | cguzman, ?? |
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| 14:25.22 | jeff_hann | does debian boot on that machine? |
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| 14:25.28 | jeff_hann | and does it work ok? |
| 14:25.28 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, after installing it (network-manager-pptp) how to start it ? |
| 14:26.39 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: it probably just added a new feature to `network-manager` |
| 14:27.00 | cguzman | working properly, but I will bring that driver problems if not installed? |
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| 14:27.40 | gaspard | is there a way to manually mark a packet (netatalk) as kept-back if i don't want it to be upgraded ? |
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| 14:28.13 | slidesinger | Yes |
| 14:28.34 | slidesinger | dpkg: tell gaspard about pinning |
| 14:28.54 | jeff_hann | cguzman, those drivers are part of the kernel |
| 14:29.18 | gaspard | thnx slidesinger :-) |
| 14:29.20 | jeff_hann | if you are really bothered by this, try another kernel from testing/unstable |
| 14:29.40 | jeff_hann | cguzman, basically it's just HP doing funny things with their HW |
| 14:29.43 | jeff_hann | :-| |
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| 14:31.25 | cguzman | jajajaja ok |
| 14:31.26 | cguzman | =) |
| 14:31.56 | ikthus | which mail server should i use, postfix ? |
| 14:32.07 | petemc_ | postfix works well, as does exim |
| 14:32.13 | wols_ | !tell gaspard about hold |
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| 14:32.29 | cguzman | install una version de debian testing amd64 now =) |
| 14:32.33 | Nosferatu | whats up dudes ;? |
| 14:32.44 | SerajewelKS | ikthus: for a production mail server, i find postfix easier to configure and understand |
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| 14:33.33 | ikthus | thanks you petemc_ & SerajewelKS :) |
| 14:33.43 | jeff_hann | cguzman, yeah, that might help you |
| 14:34.03 | jeff_hann | cguzman, anyway, as long as it works, don't mess with it. |
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| 14:35.08 | cguzman | thanks. |
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| 14:37.30 | is00k | hi |
| 14:37.40 | is00k | someone with experience in Cacti ? |
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| 14:38.18 | gaspard | thnx wols_ , i am reading all the stuffs that I should know about pinning and holding dpkg stuffs. I am wikifing all of this on this wiki http://freelancis.net/ressources/ubuntu/bonjour#pinning_netatalk and gonna describe the most suitable soluce quite soon :-) |
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| 14:39.59 | draeath | (Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package `p7zip-rar' is missing final newline |
| 14:40.06 | draeath | where is this stored so I can examine it? |
| 14:40.10 | amaldo | I just rebooted a sid machine after a long time, and it's hanging after starting udev. Any hints? |
| 14:40.52 | wols_ | draeath: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:40.57 | draeath | ty wols_ |
| 14:41.08 | wols_ | amaldo: what ekrnel version? |
| 14:41.14 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool similar to pfstat for linux. Thanks. |
| 14:41.34 | wols_ | gaspard: please go to ubuntu and ask them in the future. not us. thank you |
| 14:41.38 | draeath | well that's alarming. the file is truncated |
| 14:41.46 | amaldo | wols_, 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
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| 14:42.02 | wols_ | amaldo: well, it's sid. |
| 14:42.34 | draeath | er what the heck? it's got random documentation in it. same with p7zip-full |
| 14:42.43 | draeath | but openssh-client (for example) is just a list of files |
| 14:42.47 | draeath | ... any ideas? |
| 14:42.50 | amaldo | wols_, :) Yep, I'm not complaining, just asking for hints. |
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| 14:42.53 | wols_ | draeath: fsck |
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| 14:43.04 | draeath | goodie |
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| 14:43.28 | Nosferatu | whats up dudes |
| 14:43.35 | draeath | thanks wols_. assuming these files are AWOL, can I force dkpkg to reinstall the package? |
| 14:43.40 | wols_ | I found a bunch of device node in a /usr/share/docs directory... |
| 14:43.51 | wols_ | sure you can |
| 14:44.02 | draeath | thanks. i'll cross that bridge when it comes then :P |
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| 14:44.13 | draeath | i cant get to the server for a few hours. i think safest to just halt it |
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| 14:47.04 | mzd | hi i would like to know which IDE would you recommend me for web-programming in PHP |
| 14:47.25 | Nosferatu | mzd you are fucker get out :D |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | Nosferatu: stop |
| 14:47.33 | Nosferatu | haha |
| 14:47.34 | Nosferatu | ok |
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| 14:47.38 | Nosferatu | sory |
| 14:47.39 | Nosferatu | :) |
| 14:47.42 | Bisu[Shield] | where cna i find: php 5.2.13 deb file |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | Bisu[Shield]: what's wrong with the one you have? |
| 14:48.02 | mzd | Nosferatu what? |
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| 14:48.14 | Nosferatu | mzd just a jook :) |
| 14:48.26 | Bisu[Shield] | which what |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | Nosferatu: Do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 14:48.35 | Nosferatu | abrotman |
| 14:48.40 | abrotman | Bisu[Shield]: the php5 that you have already. what's wrong with that version ? |
| 14:48.48 | Nosferatu | i`m from windows company |
| 14:48.50 | rumpsy | hey abrotman :) |
| 14:48.50 | Nosferatu | hahaha :D |
| 14:48.52 | Nosferatu | rlz |
| 14:48.52 | Nosferatu | ;D |
| 14:48.53 | mzd | i dont really see the fun of that joke, if i shouldnt ask that here just tell me |
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| 14:48.58 | Bisu[Shield] | i am running into one of the php bugs fixed in 5.2.13 |
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| 14:49.14 | abrotman | Bisu[Shield]: that version doesn't exist in squeeze or sid anymore |
| 14:49.29 | valdyn | Bisu[Shield]: theres always bugs |
| 14:49.34 | valdyn | Bisu[Shield]: work around the bug |
| 14:49.59 | valdyn | Bisu[Shield]: and be glad its a documented bug, that should make it much easier |
| 14:50.10 | wols_ | mzd: use eclipse |
| 14:50.33 | SerajewelKS | mzd: Nosferatu was a troll, just ignore what he said |
| 14:50.40 | jae | You know, from my experiences with Ubuntu karmic (which is supposed(!) to be stable) the last few weeks... sid really isn't that bad :P |
| 14:50.48 | mzd | ah ok |
| 14:51.00 | themill | mzd: kdevelop isn't bad. But few of these things really have good debugger support, so there's a limit to how "integrated" the IDE really is. |
| 14:51.02 | wols_ | jae: you don't understand what "stable" means |
| 14:51.22 | wols_ | themill: php debuggers? |
| 14:51.26 | jae | wols_: I don't? Interesting notion... |
| 14:51.27 | wols_ | I never got one to work. ever |
| 14:51.37 | wols_ | !stable |
| 14:51.37 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 14:51.44 | wols_ | jae: context |
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| 14:51.58 | SerajewelKS | "stable" means "not changing" in this context, not "doesn't crash" |
| 14:52.07 | SerajewelKS | that's it in a nutshell |
| 14:52.08 | mzd | wols_ do you know if i can work with the same archives from debian and windows if those are in svn? (I'm wanting to use eclipse from debian but mate is using windows) would that make any conflict? |
| 14:52.09 | themill | wols_: I had limited success with phpddd or similar. pita all over, though. When the limit to debugging is debug prints, you know you've got hard work on your hands. |
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| 14:52.24 | wols_ | mzd: should work |
| 14:52.41 | SerajewelKS | mzd: yes, and svn will even translate the line-endings for you |
| 14:52.51 | wols_ | cause there are no archives, there are php ascii files |
| 14:53.11 | mzd | ah great thanks |
| 14:53.20 | wols_ | mzd: there are several php plugins for eclipse, choose which you want |
| 14:53.33 | mzd | i hope there's also PDT for debian :) |
| 14:53.43 | wols_ | mzd: I'm fairly sure thre isn't |
| 14:53.43 | rumpsy | PDT? |
| 14:53.47 | SerajewelKS | pacific daylight time? |
| 14:53.54 | wols_ | PHP development something |
| 14:53.59 | rumpsy | ah |
| 14:54.01 | wols_ | php plugin for eclipse |
| 14:54.03 | Titan8990 | you can get php-mode for emacs |
| 14:54.21 | wols_ | Titan8990: sorry, but that doesn't really compare to eclipse. thanks for trying |
| 14:54.24 | mzd | http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/ |
| 14:54.33 | wols_ | for starts, evlipse is an OS with a GUI. not shitty text buffers :P |
| 14:54.36 | SerajewelKS | php IDEs are overrated anyway. we used zend at my last job. i installed gvim... |
| 14:54.38 | mzd | yes it's a php plugin for eclipse |
| 14:54.45 | Titan8990 | wols_: why is that? |
| 14:54.52 | wols_ | why is what? |
| 14:55.27 | mzd | SerajewelKS to be honest i would use a lightweight editor but we have to share files so... |
| 14:55.44 | valdyn | mzd: plenty light weight text editors have svn support |
| 14:55.47 | SerajewelKS | mzd: so? svn is what shares the files, not your IDE. |
| 14:55.53 | wols_ | there should be editors with svn integration mzd |
| 14:55.59 | SerajewelKS | mzd: use a text editor and the svn command-line tool |
| 14:56.02 | valdyn | ( unless you consider vim heavy already ) |
| 14:56.14 | mzd | valdyn hehe nope, sure i don't |
| 14:56.23 | jae | emacs is lightweight (these days ;) |
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| 14:57.32 | mzd | well the problem is my mate only uses eclipse on windows...and i wasnt sure if i could even use debian x) there's always problems between browsers, imagine between OS browsers :p |
| 14:57.34 | SerajewelKS | i like the *idea* of integrated-everything, but the *execution* often leaves me disillusioned |
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| 14:58.08 | SerajewelKS | so i like the unix philosophy that each tool should do one thing and do it well. one program for editing, one for source control, one for debugging... |
| 14:58.27 | SerajewelKS | mzd: if the eclipse project files need to be maintained too, then you will either have to use eclipse or update them by hand |
| 14:58.47 | SerajewelKS | mzd: e.g. if you create a new file, does the eclipse project get updated with that new file? if so, you need to use eclipse. |
| 14:59.00 | mzd | SerajewelKS yep, exactly that |
| 14:59.02 | SerajewelKS | mzd: if you're just modifying existing files, then you should be ok using whatever editor you like |
| 14:59.10 | Titan8990 | wols_: emacs supports svn, cvs, mercurial, and I have not checked but likely git too |
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| 14:59.18 | mzd | thats what i was worried about |
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| 14:59.44 | SerajewelKS | mzd: then the remaining question is whether the php plugin(s) you guys use work on linux. eclipse itself does. |
| 14:59.46 | Titan8990 | wols_: I doubt there is many if any features that eclipse has that lacks in emacs |
| 15:00.01 | SerajewelKS | mzd: eclipse itself is java, and is well tested cross-platform |
| 15:00.19 | wols_ | Titan8990: does emacs have a gui widget set? |
| 15:00.23 | surf | guys I can't get my java plugin workin. Installed with apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
| 15:00.24 | Lateralus | I would wager that emacs supports faaaar more features than ecipse, having been around since the stone age |
| 15:00.31 | mzd | SerajewelKS well it seems there is a PDT plugin version for linux |
| 15:00.44 | SerajewelKS | mzd: nods, then you should be able to install that and start deving |
| 15:00.48 | wols_ | Titan8990: admittedly, you can program emacs so you can have anything you want, but that's rather theoretical |
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| 15:01.32 | Titan8990 | wols_: what do you mean by "widget"? |
| 15:01.36 | SerajewelKS | mzd: in my experience, plugins produced by the eclipse project are quite good. third-party plugins are generally crap (not all are, but i've tried several for various languages and they all were crashy/bare/ugly) |
| 15:01.39 | mzd | great thanks everybody |
| 15:01.57 | wols_ | Titan8990: GUI elements. GUI, that thing emacs lacks :P |
| 15:02.08 | mzd | SerajewelKS this comes on the official website |
| 15:02.19 | SerajewelKS | mzd: right, that's what i'm saying -- it should be pretty polished then |
| 15:02.19 | Titan8990 | wols_: I use GUI emacs, but I am still not sure what you mean by gui elements |
| 15:02.25 | mzd | cool |
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| 15:02.34 | Lateralus | wols_: I've used a GUI emacs on /windows/, I'm sure you can figure it out for debian :p |
| 15:02.38 | Titan8990 | wols_: there is ECB that allows code browsing using a mouse, something like that? |
| 15:02.42 | wols_ | emacs is guiified? and you can write stuff doing gui things inside it? |
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| 15:02.58 | wols_ | e.g. eclipse has gui layout plugins for RAD |
| 15:03.12 | mzd | SerajewelKS should i also install LAMP? or do you recommend me anything else |
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| 15:03.52 | Lateralus | wols_: not that I've seen, but I haven't looked. All those "layout" applications slowed me down, personally. |
| 15:03.55 | SerajewelKS | mzd: LAMP is what i use. though i tend to prefer postgresql to mysql these days. |
| 15:04.01 | SerajewelKS | so... LAPP? |
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| 15:04.38 | SerajewelKS | mzd: but yeh, you'll need a web server and a DB server to test locally, so pick whichever two you like the best |
| 15:04.39 | abrotman | surf: update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:04.47 | mzd | hmm i prefer mysql atm (my level doesnt really let me see which one is better) |
| 15:05.08 | SerajewelKS | mzd: postgresql has fewer gotchas and a more liberal license |
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| 15:05.41 | SerajewelKS | mzd: performance-wise i have seen benchmarks that go both ways... personally i have not noticed much difference |
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| 15:06.35 | mzd | SerajewelKS i'll work on mysql by now, don't really think my project is gonna have many queries ;D |
| 15:06.42 | mzd | but thanks for the info anyway |
| 15:06.44 | SerajewelKS | mzd: in general, when presented with invalid data (a number too big for a column, an invalid ENUM value, etc) mysql tends to alter your data to avoid errors, while postgresql will refuse to do it |
| 15:07.11 | SerajewelKS | mzd: e.g. if you try to insert 12345678 into an int(7) column, mysql inserts 9999999 while postgresql raises an error |
| 15:07.40 | SerajewelKS | mzd: that IMO is the most compelling reason to use postgresql -- it doesn't tamper with your data to meet the column requirements |
| 15:07.48 | mzd | hmm why would mysql do that? |
| 15:08.00 | SerajewelKS | mzd: i dunno, but it's documented, so technically it is a feature |
| 15:08.01 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: the main advantage mysql has is ubiquity: every hoster offers it. kinda like windows |
| 15:08.20 | Lateralus | wols_: oh come on now... |
| 15:08.40 | wols_ | Lateralus: network effects are very strong |
| 15:08.50 | SerajewelKS | wols_: if there were a shortage of postgresql hosts i would agree with you, but i'm sure there are plenty to go around |
| 15:08.59 | f00bar80 | my gnome isn't loading in debian-lenny , that's after i installed network-manager-pptp-gnome, any comment ? |
| 15:09.08 | SerajewelKS | (besides, i have a full-root vps, i can use whatever the fuck i want) |
| 15:09.31 | Lateralus | laughs at the silly vps |
| 15:09.39 | Lateralus | :) |
| 15:09.40 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: people who write something for public consumption (like wordpress or such) need to take it into account |
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| 15:09.54 | wols_ | cause most installs will be on cheap shared hosting, and that means mysql |
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| 15:09.56 | SerajewelKS | wols_: of course. it doesn't sound like mzd is. |
| 15:10.20 | Lateralus | SerajewelKS: have you had any problem using a vps? |
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| 15:10.23 | mzd | SerajewelKS i have also rented a dedicated server but i'll leave that "installing everything myself" because i'm let's say learning how to administrate a server yet |
| 15:10.37 | SerajewelKS | mzd: either way, if you use a different db server than your other developers, you need to ensure that your queries are compatible across dbs |
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| 15:10.55 | madmac2501 | hi, i have seen that http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html is obsolete |
| 15:11.00 | Lateralus | mzd: that's the best way to learn |
| 15:11.11 | SerajewelKS | mzd: so using whatever they use has its advantages (ease of development) and its disadvantages (limited portability) |
| 15:11.12 | madmac2501 | where could i find actualized documentation? |
| 15:11.19 | mzd | SerajewelKS i think we will agree on db servers at least! |
| 15:11.29 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: that's kind of a vague question |
| 15:11.35 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: yes, i have problems. then i fix them. |
| 15:11.44 | dutchfish | hi, where can i find the syntax of /etc/initramfs-tools/DSDT.aml ? to be loaded after the initrd is being loaded by the kernel by ACPI? |
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| 15:11.55 | doubleclick | is there a "proper" way to change /vmlinuz and /initrd.img links or do i just delete 'em and create new ones? |
| 15:12.04 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: is there a more specific question you had? :P |
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| 15:12.13 | mzd | Lateralus yep, but there's plenty of things to learn and well, side projects may have some priority :P |
| 15:12.22 | Lateralus | SerajewelKS: I mean specifically caused by the fact that it's a VPS. I've been considering ordering a box (you can find them so cheap) |
| 15:12.35 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: none come to mind |
| 15:12.51 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: i have full root and can dick with apt, iptables, etc. |
| 15:13.06 | Lateralus | SerajewelKS: who is your provider? |
| 15:13.07 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: and the provider runs ajaxterm so if i break eth0 i can fix it |
| 15:13.25 | SerajewelKS | Lateralus: vps.net |
| 15:13.36 | petemc_ | SerajewelKS: ajaxterm doesnt use networking? |
| 15:13.45 | Lateralus | I bet they laughed maniacally when they ordered that domain. |
| 15:13.45 | mzd | I dont really know the difference between vps and box, i call it dedicated server, Lateralus, i'm paying 28e month atm |
| 15:13.50 | SerajewelKS | petemc_: no, it talks to the xen console for the vm |
| 15:13.56 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
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| 15:14.24 | petemc_ | SerajewelKS: ajaxterm is just a terminal |
| 15:14.27 | SerajewelKS | petemc_: when i reboot the vm, i see all the initscript chatter there |
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| 15:14.46 | SerajewelKS | petemc_: i know that. it's connected to the xen console for the vm. i just told you that. |
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| 15:14.55 | petemc_ | right |
| 15:15.12 | surf | abrotman, did it. What shall I select? The open or the normal one? |
| 15:15.18 | petemc_ | so you have out of bad access available through ajaxterm |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | surf: the one you want to use |
| 15:15.23 | petemc_ | s/bad/band/ |
| 15:15.38 | SerajewelKS | petemc_: right. so far i haven't had to use it to recover from networking oopses. |
| 15:15.43 | petemc_ | kewl |
| 15:16.07 | SerajewelKS | or wait, no, i did have to use it once when i entered my password wrong on ssh (due to wrong keyboard layout) so many times that fail2ban blocked me :) |
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| 15:16.24 | petemc_ | been there |
| 15:16.36 | f00bar80 | how to login to terminal instead of the DM ? |
| 15:16.45 | petemc_ | f00bar80: ctl alt f1 |
| 15:16.52 | SerajewelKS | petemc_: at any rate, it's nice to know it's there at least, even if i haven't used it much yet |
| 15:16.58 | petemc_ | agreed |
| 15:17.41 | mzd | SerajewelKS i'll star deving something, thanks for the help |
| 15:17.45 | mzd | start* |
| 15:17.58 | f00bar80 | petemc_, my gnome isn't loading in debian-lenny , that's after i installed network-manager-pptp-gnome, any comment ? |
| 15:18.28 | petemc_ | i wouldnt have thought one thing should affect the other, but im not currently a gnome user |
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| 15:18.43 | surf | abrotman, I tried both but no way. I mean iceweasel says that the jre is installed but when I try to use it on the web it doesn't work |
| 15:19.06 | SerajewelKS | mzd: np |
| 15:19.43 | SerajewelKS | surf: are you running a 64-bit userland? |
| 15:19.52 | surf | ya |
| 15:19.58 | SerajewelKS | surf: then you don't get a java plugin |
| 15:20.13 | surf | there exist an amd64 version |
| 15:20.20 | abrotman | surf: apt-cache search mozilla java ? |
| 15:20.25 | SerajewelKS | surf: there is a 64-bit JRE but there is not a 64-bit browser plugin |
| 15:20.38 | abrotman | i thought the icedtea worked on amd64 |
| 15:20.41 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: huh? |
| 15:20.50 | SerajewelKS | last i checked, the bug ticket on sun.com was open for some seven years... maybe they finally fixed it |
| 15:20.54 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: sun-java6-plugin is in lenny, squeeze, and sid, or does it not work? |
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| 15:21.26 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: the last time i tried it (about five months ago) the browser plugins still didn't work on 64-bit |
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| 15:22.18 | SerajewelKS | let's just say after waiting over five years for sun to produce a 64-bit java browser plugin, i'm going to need to see some proof positive before i will believe they have |
| 15:22.47 | Stereo | I hear it works fine in Safari on Mac OS X </troll> |
| 15:23.19 | SerajewelKS | ah, seems they finally provided one in 1.6.0_12 |
| 15:23.36 | SerajewelKS | i guess seven years late is better than never? |
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| 15:25.57 | SerajewelKS | (i'm not bitter... can you tell?) |
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| 15:26.16 | surf | so there is the plugin but not the browser. How can I manage this out? |
| 15:26.37 | wols_ | have you installed the plugin? |
| 15:26.49 | wols_ | and is it shown in about:plugins? |
| 15:26.49 | surf | yes both |
| 15:26.52 | surf | yes |
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| 15:27.17 | wols_ | run iceweasel from a terminal and check its output |
| 15:27.22 | surf | ok |
| 15:27.27 | themill | SerajewelKS: sun has had a 64-bit plugin available and working for 18 months or so. (OK, later than desirable but it's been around for a while) |
| 15:27.51 | SerajewelKS | themill: i must have missed that announcement |
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| 15:28.07 | SerajewelKS | themill: somehow i figured it would have generated more noise when they finally did it :) |
| 15:28.55 | themill | SerajewelKS: well, openjdk had been providing one for a year or more before that so it perhaps wasn't as news-worthy |
| 15:30.02 | surf | it just says application error ( in the window ) but nothing in the terminal |
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| 15:30.59 | tudon | surf do you get messages like class not found bladiebla |
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| 15:31.45 | surf | caricamento: classe oracle.forms.engine.Main not found |
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| 15:32.08 | tudon | net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks java networking |
| 15:32.30 | tudon | /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf set to 0 try that |
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| 15:33.50 | tudon | and then invoke-rc.d procps restart |
| 15:35.58 | surf | it runs man :) |
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| 15:36.11 | Spida | hi |
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| 15:36.14 | tudon | :) |
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| 15:37.22 | surf | damn thc mate! =) |
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| 15:37.48 | Spida | Is it possible to install Debian into an existing encrypted volume (containing a lvm with ununsed space) without deleting all the other data in the encrypted volume using the netinst-CD? |
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| 15:41.38 | BenP | Hi, just a quick question. When I 'rm -rf .bash_history' that supposedly clears out the bash history. But, when I arrow up I can still access some history? |
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| 15:41.49 | flo` | hi |
| 15:41.58 | flo` | which package contains the "which" program? |
| 15:42.09 | lindi- | BenP: they are in shell's memory |
| 15:42.14 | cahoot | BenP: cached |
| 15:42.20 | lindi- | BenP: it does not read them from disk for every single key press you make |
| 15:42.26 | lindi- | BenP: imagine how slow that'd be |
| 15:42.31 | BenP | Anyway to clear that too? |
| 15:42.34 | BenP | lindi-: nods |
| 15:42.34 | themill | flo`: apt-file is your friend, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:42.54 | lindi- | BenP: HISTSIZE=0 |
| 15:42.54 | Titan8990 | !as |
| 15:42.55 | dpkg | from memory, as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself . Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
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| 15:43.34 | BenP | lindi-: where is that set? |
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| 15:43.49 | Spida | BenP: in the environment |
| 15:44.06 | BenP | so i just type HISTSIZE=0 ? |
| 15:44.07 | BenP | :/ |
| 15:44.23 | \amethyst | BenP: do you want to prevent future history entries, or just clear out the history? |
| 15:44.43 | BenP | clear it out, not prevent future history |
| 15:45.03 | \amethyst | BenP: then run history -c |
| 15:45.26 | \amethyst | HISTSIZE=0 will also prevent future command lines in this shell from going into the history |
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| 15:47.41 | BenP | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 15:48.22 | gyyrog | I am trying to add a user. "useradd test -p password" |
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| 15:48.42 | gyyrog | when I then try to login as the new user, it does not work |
| 15:48.50 | gyyrog | What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:49.08 | petemc_ | gyyrog: use adduser |
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| 15:52.12 | gyyrog | I need to set the password in the same command. What is the proper syntax? |
| 15:52.51 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone knows how to remove that annoying <---> in midnght commander editor? |
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| 15:53.48 | asg | gyyrog: you'll need to use chpasswd(8) |
| 15:54.13 | jamesstanley | Running "/etc/init.d/fetchmail start" says "fetchmailFile /etc/fetchmailrc must be owned by you." However, "chown james:james /etc/fetchmailrc" has no effect, but /etc/init.d/fetchmail manages to change the owner to fetchmail:root instead of root:root |
| 15:54.23 | jamesstanley | Anyone know what to do to convince fetchmail to run? |
| 15:54.33 | jamesstanley | Note that /etc/fetchmailrc is a symlink to ~james/.fetchmailrc |
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| 15:55.33 | gyyrog | asg: what is chpasswd(8)? |
| 15:55.39 | asg | gyyrog: man chpasswd |
| 15:55.50 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: /etc/init.d/fetchmail isn't really intended to be run by a normal user |
| 15:55.55 | jamesstanley | i am running it as root |
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| 15:56.48 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: then you need to change USER=fetchmail to USER=root and make the file owned by root |
| 15:57.02 | jamesstanley | Even though the mail is for user james? |
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| 15:57.25 | rudi_s | Hi. I heard many things about using sudo or just su - or just use a root user and a normal user. What do you think is the most secure/best way? I know how all the things work, I'm just not sure what's the best to do. I also want to apply it to remote severs accessed with SSH. Thanks. |
| 15:57.35 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: yes, just have the fetchmailrc send the mail to the correct user |
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| 15:57.48 | jamesstanley | It tells me that running as root is discouraged |
| 15:58.17 | azteech | tudi, my choice, the most secure is sudo ... |
| 15:58.28 | gyyrog | no, I need a one line command that creates a user and sets the password |
| 15:58.36 | jamesstanley | gyyrog: adduser? |
| 15:58.38 | azteech | rudi_s I meant ... |
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| 15:58.56 | tarzeau_ | gyyrog: that's easy to script |
| 15:58.57 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: perhaps you want USER=jamesstanley ? |
| 15:59.03 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: err, USER=james |
| 15:59.04 | jamesstanley | my username is james |
| 15:59.10 | jamesstanley | and it then says it can't write the pidfile |
| 15:59.46 | rudi_s | azteech: But the problem with sudo is that if your user is compromised it's nearly the same as if root was compromised and as you're doing most of the work with it, it's more likely to happen; what do you think? |
| 15:59.51 | asg | gyyrog: useradd ... ; chpasswd ... (one line) |
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| 16:00.01 | gyyrog | I cant script it! It needs to fit in one execv(); |
| 16:00.05 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: /var/run/fetchmail needs to be owned by the user running fetchmail |
| 16:00.20 | jamesstanley | aha! |
| 16:00.21 | jamesstanley | thank you very much |
| 16:00.26 | jamesstanley | it now appears to be sorted |
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| 16:03.19 | gyyrog | is there an argument to useradd that allows password being set? |
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| 16:03.20 | jamesstanley | if there is, then i hope you realise that it will be visible to everyone running "ps -ef" |
| 16:03.21 | \amethyst | gyyrog: -p but you need to pre-encrypt it |
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| 16:03.41 | azteech | rudi_s - if your user info is compromised, it doesn't matter what you you at that point. Your system will be open to whom ever had assess to that security info. if you are worried about compromises .. and the safety of the system, you can set up a user name, that is separate of an admin name. Use the admin name, log in, set up a user name, and use user name daily, and admin creditinals (from with in the user name) when you use sudo, su |
| 16:03.53 | azteech | think I said that last part right ... lol |
| 16:04.35 | rudi_s | azteech: Yes, but what's that different from just using a root account? (No offense, I'm just curious because I often hear root shouldn't be used directly.) |
| 16:04.54 | gyyrog | \amethyst how do I preencrypt it? |
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| 16:05.43 | azteech | One should never use the root account directly for day-to-day use. Inviting disaster if one does that, since you truly open up the system. |
| 16:05.51 | \amethyst | gyyrog: you can do it with perl and crypt |
| 16:06.07 | gyyrog | crypt wants a salt right? |
| 16:06.08 | \amethyst | gyyrog: you might find it easier to create the account first, the run chpasswd |
| 16:06.17 | \amethyst | yes, you'd generate a random salt |
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| 16:06.23 | rudi_s | azteech: I know, but I meant to use a normal user for normal work, and just login as root when doing maintenance, instead of creating an admin user and running sudo/su. |
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| 16:06.31 | gyyrog | it would be easier, but I can't do it that way |
| 16:06.47 | \amethyst | gyyrog: any particular reason why? |
| 16:06.56 | asg | gyyrog: why? Is this a stupid homework question? |
| 16:07.01 | gyyrog | yes. I am in a networking security class. |
| 16:07.03 | gyyrog | yep |
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| 16:07.07 | gyyrog | writing a stack overflow |
| 16:07.29 | gyyrog | not so stupid, but it would be easies to do it with one executable |
| 16:07.35 | gyyrog | easiest |
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| 16:08.01 | \amethyst | gyyrog: how about bash -c 'adduser foo; chpasswd <<<"foo:sekrit"' ? |
| 16:08.57 | gyyrog | the way I have to call an execv() witch shell code. It takes only one executable and an array of arguements. that would be two executables |
| 16:08.57 | \amethyst | though if your goal is to make an exploit, you might not want to rely on the existence of adduser or chpasswd |
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| 16:09.28 | gyyrog | I know what I will do, I will just create an account with the password I want and cut and paste the encrypted one :) |
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| 16:10.42 | smhar | I am trying to update my squeeze system but I keep getting this error: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-java-common for openoffice.org-report-builder, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 16:10.58 | babilen | !tell smhar -about bat |
| 16:11.10 | babilen | smhar: Please provide all information dpkg just mentioned to you |
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| 16:13.27 | azteech | rudi_s: for a home system, non-mission critical, I prefer to have logins identical across the board. I don't have a separate admin account and separate user account. However, if I was in a work environment, that would be different. I would want a separate admin account, and separate user accounts. Sure, it is a pain to keep track of passwords and such; but, for mission-critical, work environment systems, what you you rather have, the ab |
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| 16:13.34 | amanda8 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s |
| 16:13.34 | amanda8 | hi |
| 16:14.07 | babilen | amanda8: Do you have a Debian related question and why are you posting that link? |
| 16:14.15 | rudi_s | azteech: Your message as cut off after "what you you rather have, the ab" |
| 16:14.40 | azteech | but, for mission-critical, work environment systems, what you you rather have, the ability to sleep at night and not worry, or worriy about the system and someone getting in there with one compromised user ID. |
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| 16:15.32 | rudi_s | azteech: Thanks, the question is still root vs. admin with sudo/su. What is "better" IYO? |
| 16:15.33 | azteech | whould have read, "what would you rather have, the ability" and then the rest of it |
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| 16:16.23 | peleczek | how can i add a new partition to debian - i've got debian on 2 partitions now - 1 extended and 1 swap |
| 16:16.40 | wols_ | peleczek: cfdisk /dev/sda (or whatever your disk is) |
| 16:16.51 | azteech | guess it is preference, and probably how much work interruptions you may have, if we are talking about a work system. Sudo times out after a few seconds of non-use; su - doesn't until you exit out. |
| 16:16.57 | peleczek | is it possible - to "link" f.e /home to new partition |
| 16:17.11 | rudi_s | azteech: Ok, thanks. |
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| 16:17.38 | azteech | rudi_s: YW |
| 16:17.45 | wols_ | peleczek: yes |
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| 16:18.15 | SerajewelKS | peleczek: just mount the new volume over /home (after copying the data there, of course) |
| 16:18.23 | wols_ | peleczek: you create a new partition, copy over your /home files, then rename the old /home and link the new one into the system via editing of /etc/fstab, then mount it |
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| 16:18.50 | peleczek | ok tnx a lot |
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| 16:21.49 | lilib | hi |
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| 16:22.05 | lilib | i installed fresh debian distro |
| 16:22.17 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 16:22.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:22.17 | lilib | after 20 days of nonproblem working |
| 16:22.29 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 16:22.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 16:23.00 | lilib | something wrong happen with e. power and whole server went down |
| 16:23.09 | lilib | after e power up |
| 16:23.16 | mzd | !read what dpkg says |
| 16:23.21 | lilib | i cannot reach debian again :-( |
| 16:23.29 | lilib | no ping nothing |
| 16:23.57 | lilib | can i avoid this, can i set autorestore-regeneration of system? |
| 16:24.07 | Ksnik | ellow, would http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch be a good guide for setting up RAID-1 in Lenny or are there some diffrences? If so, is there any other good guides available? |
| 16:27.12 | valdyn | Ksnik: i think etch still had a 2.4 kernel. It should be different then |
| 16:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: There really isn't an automatic restore function. If you have made good backups, you can restore manually from them. |
| 16:27.21 | valdyn | Ksnik: but if you use the 2.6 kernel then its the same |
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| 16:27.44 | valdyn | Ksnik: ( if that howto refers to the 2.6 kernel even ) |
| 16:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: To troubleshoot your existing problem, we'd have to know details of where and how it fails to start up, what the last message is, etc. |
| 16:27.50 | lilib | jhutchins_lt> but it will happen each accidently e-power interruption? |
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| 16:28.27 | lilib | jhutchins_lt> i will try monitor to move to router |
| 16:28.38 | lilib | and i will tell you what console says |
| 16:28.40 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're not. ext3 filesystems are reasonably robust and tend to survive power loss pretty well, but it's never a good thing for a computer to suddenly loose power. |
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| 16:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Ideally you have a battery backup system with a monitor that allows the computer to shut down cleanly when power is lost. |
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| 16:29.39 | lilib | ext3 is more sensitive than ext2? |
| 16:29.43 | Ksnik | valdyn: doesnt say which kernel it is for, but there are a few modprobes. got any good guides for Lenny? |
| 16:29.56 | lilib | i used ext2 and looked pretty strong in those things |
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| 16:30.43 | smhar | babilen, aptitude full-upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/66486/ , apt-cache policy openoffice.org-java-common : http://paste.debian.net/66487/ , apt-cache policy openoffice.org-report-builder: http://paste.debian.net/66489/ , # apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/66491/ |
| 16:30.45 | lilib | i ran openwrt linux based system and such things kept system alive after restart |
| 16:30.54 | lilib | s |
| 16:30.56 | SerajewelKS | lilib: ext3 has a journal, which it should replay in the event of an unclean unmount (assmuming you have the journal enabled) |
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| 16:31.20 | SerajewelKS | (should have said "ext3 supports journalling") |
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| 16:31.43 | babilen | smhar: one second |
| 16:31.46 | lilib | SerajewelKS> i hope soo, i installed debian and "real" linux first time |
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| 16:32.21 | lilib | but my hdd controller had problem with GRUB i used LILO, i hope i didn't touch filesystem setting |
| 16:32.23 | SerajewelKS | lilib: do you have access to the box's tty? |
| 16:32.47 | SerajewelKS | lilib: if you have network-only access then you can't really debug filesystem problems effectively |
| 16:33.24 | lilib | i am not able ping on server |
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| 16:33.36 | Ksnik | valdyn: forget it, found a comment that it worked for somebody on 5.03. thx for the help |
| 16:33.36 | SerajewelKS | lilib: you can't ping the server, or you can't ping *from* the server? |
| 16:33.40 | Ksnik | bye |
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| 16:34.09 | lilib | from here to crashed debian |
| 16:34.22 | SerajewelKS | lilib: and do you have physical access to this crashed box? |
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| 16:34.31 | lilib | to server, sorry for my realy bad english |
| 16:34.36 | lilib | yes |
| 16:34.49 | lilib | if i will find next 2 meters of monitor cable :-) |
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| 16:35.13 | SerajewelKS | lilib: the network services depend on the ability to write to /etc and other places, so if the system detects filesystem problems, it will halt the boot and ask you to log in as root before the network interface even comes up |
| 16:35.40 | SerajewelKS | lilib: which is about the sanest thing it can do when it can't rely on / being clean |
| 16:37.04 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: do they really write to /etc? |
| 16:38.01 | lindi- | since there is /etc/network/run -> /dev/shm/network |
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| 16:38.56 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: ext2 is more sensitive to power loss than ext3 (with journaling). |
| 16:39.47 | cirwin | there seem to be no linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686, but that is what uname -r gives me, what should I do to use module-assistant? (I tried installing the -4- package, but it complained it was the wrong version) |
| 16:40.34 | Titan8990 | cirwin: you need to upgrade to the current kernel version... why are you running squeeze/sid? |
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| 16:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
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| 16:42.06 | boxxertrumps | Anyone know where i'd need to look for a log of uptimes? |
| 16:42.13 | boxxertrumps | /var/log something? |
| 16:42.16 | cirwin | thanks |
| 16:42.39 | lilib | SerajewelKS> damn, it doesn't look nice :-( |
| 16:42.50 | lilib | whole console screen says: |
| 16:42.53 | Titan8990 | boxxertrumps: uptime is not "logged" |
| 16:42.59 | rooisto47 | hi everybody I installed squeeze (base) then after adding xorg, wm, alsa,.... no sound when play a song ! alsamixer seems OK ! can you help me ? |
| 16:43.01 | lilib | LILI 2.80 xxxxx ............................ |
| 16:43.09 | lilib | and one more line of dots |
| 16:43.11 | lilib | nothing more |
| 16:43.15 | lilib | LILO |
| 16:43.51 | babilen | smhar: I am not entirely sure why this happen. I would try the following: 1. Remove openoffice.org-report-builder 2. aptitude safe-upgrade 3. aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 16:45.36 | boxxertrumps | if not uptime, for poweroff, anything? |
| 16:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Doesn't look good. It's reading the mbr but not the filesystem. Try restarting it again, see if it says anything during POST. |
| 16:46.31 | lilib | nothing |
| 16:46.34 | lilib | i did it |
| 16:46.37 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: /etc/network/run is a regular directory by default. if it's a symlink then you or some package did that. |
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| 16:47.25 | SerajewelKS | lilib: odd, looks like lilo failed, or the kernel failed at a very early stage |
| 16:47.27 | babilen | smhar: You can then try to install openoffice.org-report-builder afterwards. |
| 16:47.54 | SerajewelKS | lilib: can you boot from the install CD into rescue mode? |
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| 16:48.14 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:48.15 | SerajewelKS | lilib: might be worth fscking your volume(s) from that CD just to be sure |
| 16:48.50 | lilib | i am not sure if i am able to start from cd |
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| 16:49.08 | lilib | i ran it as kit mobo with atom and ram and hdd on it |
| 16:49.14 | lilib | no cd anymore |
| 16:49.28 | lilib | i booted from USB flash |
| 16:49.40 | lilib | when i began debian install |
| 16:49.51 | boxxertrumps | Titan8990: i'm looking in kern.log, there are mesasges for when the power button was hit |
| 16:49.58 | lilib | lemme find usb stick with CD debian distro |
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| 16:50.16 | boxxertrumps | i should have said, i need to figure out when it was powered on, powered off |
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| 16:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: There are live usb rescue systems available. |
| 16:51.51 | zxcvbnm | Does anyone know how to do this http://snorripall.com/recovering-data-from-lacie-big-disk in debian without using the external case? |
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| 16:53.58 | smhar | babilen, ohh my.. aptitude safe-upgrade removed many *-java-openoffice.org packages... but it worked.. thanks |
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| 16:54.39 | babilen | smhar: great, have you done the "full-upgrade" as well? Can you reinstall openoffice.org-report-builder without problems then? |
| 16:54.48 | cahoot | boxxertrumps: last? |
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| 16:55.06 | smhar | babilen, YES, did both |
| 16:55.28 | babilen | great - must have been a minor hiccup :-\ |
| 16:55.32 | smhar | babilen, and those removed java stuff are back :-) |
| 16:55.34 | azteech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.01 | babilen | smhar: Sure, they were removed, because these packages were installed as dependencies of the (now removed) openoffice.org-report-builder |
| 16:56.12 | zxcvbnm | azteech, I have many such adapters... |
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| 16:56.19 | babilen | smhar: Glad it worked, have a nice day :) |
| 16:56.20 | zxcvbnm | The problem is the two disks are RAID 0 / XFS |
| 16:56.24 | Lare | Hello folks. I have following strange linux bridge problem: http://www.pastebin.org/127914 Can somebody help me? |
| 16:56.37 | zxcvbnm | I need to mount them as such to recover the data |
| 16:56.43 | smhar | babilen, you too.. and.... thanks again |
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| 16:58.07 | boxxertrumps | thanks cahoot, it's perfect |
| 16:58.08 | azteech | haven't played with a raided disk via the external adapter before, so don't know. The format of the drive shouldn't matter. The raid portion would be what I am wondering about. |
| 16:59.12 | zxcvbnm | Is it possible to do it using my internal SATA controller azteech? |
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| 17:01.05 | gerard_ | hey folks, I just heard that you're not supposed to have a "debian" directory in trunk together with your own project |
| 17:01.18 | gerard_ | could anyone provide some information about why that is? |
| 17:01.21 | f00bar80 | from failsafe-xterm trying trying to startx i got X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. , any comment ? |
| 17:01.32 | lilib | SerajewelKS i am back again |
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| 17:01.45 | Lare | afrer etch -> lenny upgrade bridge routes tcp packets wrong for 5-15 minutes 2-4 times in a day |
| 17:01.57 | lilib | could i type you to query? |
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| 17:02.20 | Lare | of cource |
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| 17:03.25 | azteech | zxcvbnm: I don't see why it shouldn't be able to be done. worst case: disk can't be read ... |
| 17:04.16 | azteech | zxcvbnm: you may have to set the system up for raid in order to see the discs though. |
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| 17:04.24 | zxcvbnm | azteech do I have to have no other SATA drives attached? or is it possible to choose the two drives to raid? |
| 17:04.48 | zxcvbnm | hmm |
| 17:05.13 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
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| 17:05.50 | azteech | zxcvbnm: to be on the safe side, I wouldn't mix drives. I would put the drives that you are working on, on a clean system .. and work with them there. And then yes, you would want to set up the system to boot in raid ) configuration ... |
| 17:06.00 | azteech | s/raid ) / raid 0 |
| 17:06.23 | zxcvbnm | It says something about JBOD (linear / span) does that just mean raid 0? |
| 17:06.39 | azteech | then, I would boot off a live CD |
| 17:06.42 | demiurgen | hrrm... I'm trying to set my date some months into the future (just for testing some stuff) using the "date" commandline tool, but the time is reverted back after a few seconds. what could interfere? I'm not using ntp, and I don't even have a network connection. |
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| 17:07.17 | justin | demiurgen: trying how? |
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| 17:07.52 | demiurgen | justin: date -s "30 Dec" |
| 17:07.55 | demiurgen | justin: for instance |
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| 17:08.19 | azteech | zxcvbnm: see this link in regards to JBOD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-RAID_drive_architectures |
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| 17:09.17 | justin | demiurgen: is this on a VM? |
| 17:09.21 | demiurgen | aaah... wait. I'm running that system in a VM |
| 17:09.22 | demiurgen | yeah |
| 17:09.29 | demiurgen | got it... nevermind |
| 17:09.31 | demiurgen | thanks any way! |
| 17:09.35 | justin | if it is xen you can fix that |
| 17:09.43 | demiurgen | it's virtualbox |
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| 17:10.04 | justin | oh, don't know much about how the clock is handled using virtualbox |
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| 17:11.23 | Lare | what could be the right mailing list to put my brige-problem: http://www.pastebin.org/127914 ? |
| 17:11.23 | demiurgen | justin: it's done by the VBoxSerice process from virtualbox-guest-utils, so I simply killed it |
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| 17:12.29 | Titan8990 | Lare: debian-users |
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| 17:16.16 | Lare | Titan8990: thank you. Tonight I will do one more reboot for switches and router and if it does not help, then I will post |
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| 17:24.24 | f00bar80 | after i installed network-manager-pptp-gnome on debian-lenny, i got a blank screen after the login screen , any comment ? |
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| 17:25.32 | wolfric | is /usr/share/locale a translation for debian for different langauges? can i remove them? |
| 17:26.42 | valdyn | f00bar80: thats probably unrelated |
| 17:26.58 | valdyn | wolfric: theres a localepurge package |
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| 17:27.09 | Good-maN | f00bar80: If you just need to minimiz it you can try localepurge |
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| 17:29.01 | f00bar80 | Good-maN, what do you mean |
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| 17:29.16 | zealiod | how do i find out what the latest kernel version is aailable |
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| 17:30.46 | WormFood | what the fuck is devkit-disks-daemon, and why in the fuck is it sucking up all my cpu? |
| 17:31.15 | Good-maN | f00bar80: localepurge is a package to try to minimize the locale "overhead", just for e Example we say you have just need the locale en_US, so you can say this and localepurge will remove all other (localepurge is always execute, when apt-get finish his work) so you have only this locales you need, sorry for my bad english |
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| 17:31.27 | et | Who is general failure, and why is he reading my disk? |
| 17:31.38 | wolfric | cheers |
| 17:32.24 | wolfric | good-maN: did you mean to say that to me? or did f00bar80 also ask about it? |
| 17:33.02 | Good-maN | wolfric: huuch yeah right sorry @ f00bar80 |
| 17:33.33 | Good-maN | but valdyn was faster damnit, sorry for confusing |
| 17:34.06 | dkr | WormFood: the man page explain what it is |
| 17:34.14 | WormFood | it does not say shit about it |
| 17:34.18 | WormFood | they are very vague |
| 17:34.34 | WormFood | if I want my system to run like a windows machine, I'd just run windows |
| 17:34.36 | dkr | wow, you made a sentence without a vulgarity in it |
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| 17:35.04 | Titan8990 | !confuse Good-maN |
| 17:35.05 | dpkg | No, what are our pants tomorrow, Good-maN? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Tibet with extra herring. |
| 17:35.13 | Shtl | Hello All,i want my PC to consume less powerat night but it has to keep downloading in progress, which method i have to use? "Sleep mode", "Hibernate"???? |
| 17:35.33 | WormFood | Shtl, are you a troll? |
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| 17:35.49 | themill | WormFood: takes one to know one? |
| 17:35.58 | wolfric | good-man: i apt-get install localepurge... select the languages i wanted and went through it but they're still there :S |
| 17:35.58 | chellomere | Shtl, none of those. |
| 17:36.08 | WormFood | Shtl, your computer will not do anything, if it is in suspend or sleep mode |
| 17:36.18 | WormFood | themill, so you're the troll? :P |
| 17:36.28 | Good-maN | wolfric: i never used it, but have you tried to run it manualy? |
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| 17:37.14 | WormFood | Shtl, suspend mode will enter into a low power state, used primarily by laptops, and hibernate mode will use no power |
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| 17:38.48 | wolfric | good-man: ah looks like it leaves all the directories intact just removes the content |
| 17:38.54 | wolfric | i think.. |
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| 17:40.02 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 17:40.12 | Good-maN | wolfric: *phu* okay, but these folders need not really disk space so... |
| 17:40.21 | wolfric | exactly :) |
| 17:40.26 | boxxertrumps | what Shtl needs is the Killer NIC |
| 17:41.05 | f00bar80 | after i installed network-manager-pptp-gnome on debian-lenny, i got a blank screen after the login screen , any comment ? |
| 17:41.09 | valdyn | wolfric: wolfric runs after each package install |
| 17:41.21 | valdyn | wolfric: localepurge runs after each package install |
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| 17:41.34 | valdyn | ( probably only after you enable it, read the docs ) |
| 17:41.39 | wolfric | i actually did a quick check there it's still 300 megs big for some reason |
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| 17:42.10 | gnat_x | what is the right place to configure some device specific rules for pointing devices. two out of my three devices no longer scroll. though i'm not shocked about the thinkap trackpoint. anyway, i'm reading conflicting optionions about what's currently recommended in debian. should i use xsessionrc stuff, or write udev rules, or fdi rules? |
| 17:42.16 | wolfric | do you know where i might locate it to run it manualy? |
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| 17:42.27 | Good-maN | Titan8990: Thanks, it was wrong, or was your comment not becaus i write (confusing and not confusion?) |
| 17:42.29 | boxxertrumps | f00bar80: does removing the package do anything? |
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| 17:42.35 | boxxertrumps | shrugs. |
| 17:42.50 | Titan8990 | Good-maN: I was just having some fun with the bot |
| 17:42.51 | gnat_x | wow. i just combined opinion and option. i guess you can pick either in that context. |
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| 17:43.17 | f00bar80 | boxxertrumps, how |
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| 17:43.39 | d0uglas | Hi. In order to be kosher with reverse lookup tests of a mail server, does the MX record of a domain need to match the reverse lookup of the A record of that host? In other words, if asdf.com's mx record is asdf.com but asdf.com resolves to 123.456.789 and then a lookup of 123.456.789 resolves to ns1.asdf.com, is that good enough? |
| 17:43.40 | Good-maN | Titan8990: Okay :) because your bot-action, i got it, so thanks :D |
| 17:43.51 | boxxertrumps | f00bar80: drop down into the console and aptitude remove network-manager-pptp-gnome |
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| 17:47.42 | asdf_ | grumbles |
| 17:47.45 | asdf_ | wtf |
| 17:47.57 | d0uglas | asdf_: nothing personal.. |
| 17:48.16 | asdf_ | i know ;) |
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| 17:48.50 | amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s |
| 17:48.51 | amanda1 | nice one |
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| 17:51.24 | chellomere | asdf, you must get that all the time. |
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| 17:52.03 | ritimbaks | hi. i installed debian system and then installed kde but it now i have kde 3.5, i want to update it to 4.4. how can i do this ? |
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| 17:53.33 | Titan8990 | ritimbaks: you can't using debian stable |
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| 17:53.58 | ritimbaks | Titan8990: why? |
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| 17:54.23 | DogBoy | heh |
| 17:54.31 | themill | dpkg: tell ritimbaks about stable |
| 17:54.33 | Titan8990 | ritimbaks: its just too much to backport. It would require upgrading core libs from stable which is against the policy of stable |
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| 17:55.45 | ritimbaks | Titan8990: so you mean i have to upgrade my debian ? |
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| 17:56.26 | themill | ritimbaks: since kde4.4 isn't anywhere in debian yet, that won't help you |
| 17:56.54 | ritimbaks | themill: ok so i should use kde 3.5 |
| 17:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a third-party repository for kde4? |
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| 17:57.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: the kde guys might have one for their work-in-progress but it might eat your first-born. |
| 17:57.33 | ritimbaks | generally people in this channel use kde or gnome ? |
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| 17:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | ritimbaks: or xfce. |
| 17:58.02 | DogBoy | or fluxbox or ratpoison |
| 17:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | ritimbaks: Console-only's not unheard of either. |
| 17:58.15 | lifestream | I have a "make" error, could some super person help? http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/542 |
| 17:58.44 | ritimbaks | i mean i wanna know kde users have kde 3.5 in their debian ? |
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| 17:58.47 | boxxertrumps | themill: where do i sign up? |
| 17:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | lifestream: Looks like a bad makefile to me. |
| 17:59.21 | themill | looks puzzled |
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| 17:59.42 | Titan8990 | lifestream: need to ask the maintains/supporters of that code. that isn't debian software and it doesn't appear that its due to missing a -dev package |
| 17:59.48 | f00bar80 | boxxertrumps, removed the , i think this now has totally removed gnome, gdm eve is not loading now |
| 17:59.50 | scurnoid | hello all :)) |
| 18:00.27 | lifestream | Titan8990, I know, but they aren't being very helpful, so I figured I'd ask tehh aweseme channel |
| 18:00.30 | asdf | chellomere: yes, i do :) |
| 18:00.37 | lifestream | Thanks for the tips, guys |
| 18:00.42 | boxxertrumps | that should have only removed the package and packages dependant on it |
| 18:01.01 | asdf | luckily, i know it's not going to be an some attractive woman in #debian screaming my name |
| 18:01.23 | boxxertrumps | f00bar80: aptitude should have given you a list and asked to confirm before you removed all that |
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| 18:01.47 | f00bar80 | so now what ? |
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| 18:02.12 | boxxertrumps | i suppose aptitude install gdm and the core gnome packages |
| 18:02.32 | boxxertrumps | if you let it uninstall everything i dont know what to tell you |
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| 18:02.52 | f00bar80 | boxxertrumps, apt-get install gnome ? |
| 18:03.02 | SerajewelKS | lilib: now that you're in the installer, does alt+f2 give you a terminal? |
| 18:03.06 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: tasksel debian-desktop |
| 18:03.18 | boxxertrumps | use aptitude, it gives more info f00bar80 |
| 18:04.07 | boxxertrumps | actually, listening to titan would be better at this point |
| 18:04.39 | boxxertrumps | i wasn't specific enough and now there are more problems |
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| 18:04.40 | solidsnack | I am trying to write a Debian package and it works okay but it says "Compatibility levels before 5 are deprecated.". I removed the compatibility level from the `rules' file, though. |
| 18:04.47 | lilib | i booted up from usb flash disk now i need to know how to fix corrupted hdd |
| 18:04.54 | solidsnack | What is causing the message. |
| 18:04.55 | solidsnack | ? |
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| 18:07.23 | SerajewelKS | lilib: use ALT+F2 to get a terminal |
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| 18:07.41 | SerajewelKS | lilib: what volume does "mount" show your usb drive is mounted from? |
| 18:08.14 | SerajewelKS | lilib: basically, you want to run "fdisk -l /dev/hda" and see if that's your boot HD... is it? |
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| 18:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | lilib:You'll want to run fILE sYSTEM cHECk (fsck) on the partitions before mounting, probably with the -y option. |
| 18:13.08 | seanthegeek | Does anyone know of a python26 package for debian 4.0 (etch)? My host dreamhost has yet to update its pses to lenny :( |
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| 18:13.34 | lilib | ok, thank you guys, i will try it |
| 18:15.19 | SerajewelKS | lilib: after you discover where those volumes are |
| 18:15.32 | SerajewelKS | lilib: they may be in hda, hdb, sda, sdb... |
| 18:16.12 | aguitel | anyone using squeeze in notebook pavillion dv4-1212 ? |
| 18:16.58 | lilib | fdisk and fsck were not found |
| 18:18.16 | laurus | Speaking of squeeze, how' s the progress going? I've been pretty worried |
| 18:18.18 | SerajewelKS | lilib: hmm odd, maybe it does need to mount the "cdrom" then |
| 18:18.29 | lilib | i guess the same thing |
| 18:18.32 | lilib | but as i said |
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| 18:18.37 | SerajewelKS | lilib: which device is your usb drive? |
| 18:18.48 | lilib | i copied whole cd-rom.iso to usb |
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| 18:19.02 | lilib | i used find | grep fdisk |
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| 18:19.08 | lilib | and it found noting |
| 18:19.18 | lilib | and i was in root of device |
| 18:19.39 | SerajewelKS | lilib: i forget where the installer tries to mount the cdrom |
| 18:19.55 | SerajewelKS | lilib: but you will have to do "mount cd-rom.iso /mnt/cdrom -o ro,loop" |
| 18:20.06 | SerajewelKS | lilib: /mnt/cdrom may not be the correct path |
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| 18:21.01 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:21.01 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:21.44 | k\t | i just stopped cheating about 2days ago (setting my regular user to a UID of 0 )... now i see how much trouble i put myself in.... =/ |
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| 18:23.03 | SerajewelKS | "i'm sorry dear, but uid 0 came on to me, i swear!" |
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| 18:24.14 | lilib | abrotman> yes, i am about to boot from usb stick, but during install proccess it says cd-rom not found |
| 18:25.32 | k\t | SerajewelKS: yea... right =P... it's bad though, i can't even aptitude or ping right now... |
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| 18:26.29 | SerajewelKS | k\t: how would you be unable to ping? O_o |
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| 18:27.15 | k\t | mostlikely something about permissions... i'm reading from scratch right now... |
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| 18:27.45 | SerajewelKS | k\t: unless ping is o-x, you should be able to ping as anybody... |
| 18:27.58 | k\t | just an icmp i/o error: permission denied. |
| 18:28.04 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 18:28.13 | SerajewelKS | might not be setuid |
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| 18:29.21 | k\t | *looking into it |
| 18:29.41 | wipped | Can anybody help me with: Bind cause i want to make ts3.server.lan and that should be port 9987 how to make that? |
| 18:30.03 | SerajewelKS | wipped: bind has nothing to do with ports |
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| 18:30.57 | wipped | sera: but is it possible to make a ts3.server.lan that reconnects you to port 9987 |
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| 18:31.40 | SerajewelKS | wipped: what you just said makes absolutely no sense in the context of DNS |
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| 18:31.50 | jelly-home | wipped: you're not making much sense, really. Care to explain the context? |
| 18:31.51 | SerajewelKS | wipped: why don't you start out by describing what you are trying to achieve? |
| 18:31.52 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:31.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:33.23 | wipped | well i am organising a lan party and one of the servers wil be with team speak 2, so if people want to join our ts2 server i want them not to typ ip and pass but enter the url ts2.server.lan |
| 18:33.30 | wipped | how to do that |
| 18:34.11 | SerajewelKS | wipped: create a DNS entry for that name that resolves to the IP address to connect to |
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| 18:34.32 | wipped | so i dont even need to think about bind right? |
| 18:34.34 | SerajewelKS | wipped: if you are asking how to configure DNS so that they will connect to a different port, the answer is that you cannot. that is not DNS's job. |
| 18:34.58 | SerajewelKS | wipped: bind is a DNS server, so you could use bind to do this. but dnsmasq or something would be a lot easier to set up. |
| 18:35.27 | wols_ | wipped: for a LAN party, dnsmasq is ideal |
| 18:35.40 | wipped | oke i wil take a look at the internet |
| 18:35.59 | f00bar80 | boxxertrumps, so now what's the correct to install both gnome and this network-manager-pptp-gnome ?????? |
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| 18:38.40 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 18:38.52 | babilen | welcome back |
| 18:38.52 | rysiek|pl | anybody played with kvm and/or livirt/virsh? |
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| 18:39.20 | SerajewelKS | !poll |
| 18:39.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 18:39.22 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: ^^^ |
| 18:39.38 | rysiek|pl | babilen: I decided to go the KVM route; seems nice and supported while *very* feature-complete |
| 18:39.48 | babilen | rysiek|pl: Good decision AFAICT |
| 18:39.56 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: yeah, thanks, asking question in 3... 2... 1.. |
| 18:39.58 | hallo99 | I am trying to write an init script, I have put line "# Required-Start: networking" into it. But it always get's started before networking. |
| 18:40.08 | rysiek|pl | how much/why do I want vrt? do I want virt? |
| 18:40.15 | rysiek|pl | *virt |
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| 18:42.19 | SerajewelKS | "virt" being defined as... |
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| 18:43.51 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: top |
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| 18:44.19 | wols_ | hallo99: this is debian? what kind of init system do you use? |
| 18:44.20 | SerajewelKS | aha |
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| 18:44.51 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: defined as libvirt, libvirtd and virsh |
| 18:44.57 | Delaya | i have a i686 architecture and thinking of installing debian, but cant find official binaries of the kernel for this build. Any solutions? |
| 18:45.00 | sussudio | ... |
| 18:45.10 | gnat_x | so i still haven't found a satisfactory answer to whether or not i should be using udev or xinput rules to keep settings on my pointing devices - namely i need to get scroll wheels working again. i've read enough to find that hal rules are on the way out for doing this. |
| 18:45.16 | valdyn | Delaya: install debian/i386 |
| 18:45.32 | babilen | hallo99: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 18:45.42 | rysiek|pl | Delaya: there are no i686-specific binaries; Debian goes for i386 bins. |
| 18:46.01 | Delaya | so i need to compile from source? |
| 18:46.03 | babilen | hallo99: Also take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:46.11 | valdyn | Delaya: just install debian/i386 |
| 18:46.19 | asg | rysiek|pl, Delaya: Debian provides an i686 optimized libc6 and kernel. |
| 18:46.20 | gnat_x | my question is simply, what direction is the best to move in, so that i a) have full mouse capabilities now now b) don't have to do this again. though i'm willing to sacrifice b. |
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| 18:46.32 | babilen | hallo99: That assumes that you use insserv/dependecy based boot |
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| 18:48.03 | f00bar80 | ppl anybody here may tell me now what's the correct to install both gnome and this network-manager-pptp-gnome ?????? , as i tried to install it before i loosed gnome completly |
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| 18:48.26 | babilen | !tell f00bar80 -about install gnome |
| 18:48.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just did an installation with no desktop environment. I wanted to test them all out. I installed gnome and for some reason the network manager applet is not showing up in the notification area. How can i fix that? |
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| 18:49.09 | babilen | f00bar80: There are a couple of different meta-packages. I would start with some "small" ones like gnome-core and add whatever you need |
| 18:49.59 | babilen | f00bar80: You probably had the "gnome" metapackage installed and some package you requested conflicted with one of it's dependencies. |
| 18:50.29 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: are you asking if you need them? |
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| 18:51.07 | f00bar80 | babilen, that's how to install gnome , but what about this network-manager-pptp.gnome |
| 18:51.16 | f00bar80 | babilen, also x ? |
| 18:51.26 | babilen | f00bar80: "Also x" ? |
| 18:51.33 | SerajewelKS | LinuxGuy2009: is network-manager-gnome installed? |
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| 18:52.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | SerajewelKS: Yes I just checked. |
| 18:52.01 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: I'm asking do I want them. as in: are they worth their salt? or would I be better off using tunctl and kvm-qemu directly |
| 18:52.14 | babilen | f00bar80: You should be able to just install network-manager-pptp-gnome |
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| 18:53.05 | babilen | f00bar80: If you run into problems let us have a look at the output. "/msg dpkg bat" to learn what information we need. you can put that into a single paste. |
| 18:53.08 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: AIUI all libvirt gives you is a common API to various virtualization backends, like KVM and Xen. and virt-manager is a virtualization manager on top of that. whether you want them or not depends on whether you want them or not. |
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| 18:53.24 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: in other words, install them and play with them |
| 18:53.34 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: if, after playing with them, you want them, then you want them |
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| 18:53.51 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: I hoped for some opinions from somebody who used them; but ok, thanks. |
| 18:54.32 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: after using kvm, qemu, and virt-manager, i like virtualbox the best. that's my opinion. :) |
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| 18:54.55 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: thanks :) |
| 18:55.09 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: also, asking for opinions in a channel of 944 people is dangerous. do you want everybody's information or do you want objective facts? :P |
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| 18:56.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does this mean there is a bug in network-manager package if my icon doesnt show up? |
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| 18:56.47 | SerajewelKS | LinuxGuy2009: no, it means nmapplet isn't running. run it. |
| 18:56.58 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: whatever. :) every bit of info helps |
| 18:57.17 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: ah, well perhaps the better question is "do we want to watch while 944 people give you their opinions" |
| 18:57.27 | lilib | i do not know how to mount that hdd |
| 18:57.35 | rysiek|pl | now we're getting OT here, aren't we? ;) |
| 18:57.37 | lilib | i see hde1, 2,5 in dev |
| 18:58.00 | lilib | i made mkdir /test |
| 18:58.05 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: channel etiquette isn't that OT |
| 18:58.15 | lilib | and then mount /dev/hde1 /test |
| 18:58.24 | wipped | is it possible to include a port in a domain-name-server like 10.0.0.1:9987 = ts3.wipped.lan ? |
| 18:58.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | SerajewelKS: Shure doesnt look the same as a normal install with gnome out of the box. It doesnt let me "unplug" my connection. |
| 18:58.41 | SerajewelKS | lilib: "fdisk -l /dev/hde" will show you which volume is which |
| 18:58.41 | gnat_x | rysiek|pl: another good questions is what you want out of your window manager. i use xfce because its the best compromise of the extremes of things that i want. |
| 18:58.41 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: I didn't see any flood of opinions; hence my question didn't seem to pose such a problem to the netiquette |
| 18:58.42 | babilen | wipped: no |
| 18:58.49 | wipped | ok |
| 18:58.58 | rysiek|pl | gnat_x: wrong target, AFAIK ;) |
| 18:58.59 | lilib | no such file or directory |
| 18:59.10 | gnat_x | rysiek|pl: oops. |
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| 18:59.35 | SerajewelKS | lilib: are you sure your drive is hde when the installer is running? |
| 18:59.39 | lilib | fdisk is not still present in system |
| 18:59.43 | SerajewelKS | lilib: hmm |
| 18:59.49 | SerajewelKS | lilib: fix your boot stick first i guess :) |
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| 19:00.41 | lilib | well, too bad debian when is crashing is big pain for people who are not linux experts :-( |
| 19:00.46 | f00bar80 | babilen, /msg dpkg bat how, i'm at the terminal no X , how to paste ? |
| 19:00.58 | babilen | !tell f00bar80 -about pastebinit |
| 19:00.59 | lilib | ok, i will fight with it some more time :) |
| 19:01.29 | babilen | f00bar80: CMD | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:02.43 | babilen | f00bar80: You can also redirect the output to an intermediate file with "CMD >> to_paste" and then "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net to_paste" |
| 19:02.46 | HardDisk_WP | how do i permanently disable wordwrap in joe? |
| 19:02.54 | babilen | f00bar80: That way, you get a single paste |
| 19:02.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok new problem is that I took the check box off for "roaming mode" so I can turn my ethernet connection on/off. Keeps kicking right back on right after i close it and come back. |
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| 19:03.03 | wipped | babilen: if i want to connect to a server will it then be server.lan and then just :port |
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| 19:04.22 | babilen | wipped: That depends on the syntax of the command you are using and how that particular command expects you to specify ports. |
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| 19:05.03 | wipped | babilen: i dont really follow you (bad english) but i think i will find it out now |
| 19:05.17 | babilen | wipped: What is your native language? |
| 19:05.28 | wipped | babilen: dutch |
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| 19:05.44 | babilen | !nl |
| 19:05.44 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 19:05.48 | wipped | ja |
| 19:06.06 | wipped | dpkg: bedankt |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wipped |
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| 19:06.32 | babilen | wipped: You might want to ask there as well. I just meant: Every program is different in how ports are specified |
| 19:06.43 | wipped | k |
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| 19:07.05 | wipped | babilen: someone just told there is a dutch chat so i go take a look there |
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| 19:07.18 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 19:07.25 | benji__ | :) |
| 19:07.28 | benji__ | nice |
| 19:07.32 | babilen | yeah |
| 19:08.19 | SerajewelKS | lilib: if you're not a debian expert, you should probably stick to computers with cdrom drives in them since usb booting can be a rough ride :) |
| 19:08.42 | SerajewelKS | lilib: i've been using linux since 2001 and still don't like doing usb boots |
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| 19:09.30 | JoshH | i once accidentally nuked my /dev/sda1 when prepping a usb image |
| 19:09.41 | JoshH | good thing it was a separate partition just for /boot, which i could restore |
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| 19:10.03 | capitan | JoshH, hope you're backing up ;) |
| 19:10.40 | JoshH | i wasn't, but i just reinstalled the kernel and grub and stuff and got the files back that way |
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| 19:11.08 | JoshH | meant to zcat to whatever device the usb stick was but accidentally entered sda |
| 19:11.15 | JoshH | or something like that, it was a long time ago |
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| 19:15.19 | f00bar80 | babilen, how to check if X is correctly installed ? |
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| 19:18.56 | HardDisk_WP | how do i permanently disable wordwrap in joe? |
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| 19:20.25 | OpenTokix | HardDisk_WP: If it didn't mention it in the manpage, I doubt you can. |
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| 19:21.11 | Mike556 | hello, what is the purpose of the /lib/modules/2.6.26 when the ones used are /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686 or /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686 ? |
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| 19:21.47 | SerajewelKS | Mike556: i have no such directory. perhaps something you installed tried to put stuff in there? |
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| 19:22.17 | Mike556 | ok..would make sense |
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| 19:22.43 | Mike556 | installing the latest intl NIC drivers requiered kernel sources compiled, maybe thats what created it |
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| 19:22.58 | Mike556 | and the make install installs the new .ko files in that directory only |
| 19:23.07 | Mike556 | not the -1 or -2 |
| 19:23.12 | SparFux | Hi. How to install both, sun java and openjdk and have one user use the first and the other use the other? |
| 19:23.29 | wols_ | Mike556: the problem is "make install" |
| 19:23.41 | lilib | SerajewelKS> i found this /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 19:23.51 | SerajewelKS | lilib: oh, right, that should work too |
| 19:23.52 | lilib | and there i see my usb and hdd |
| 19:23.52 | Mike556 | I assumed, since it shows itself only going into that spefici folder to replace the files |
| 19:24.03 | lilib | partitions everything |
| 19:24.13 | lilib | but how to mount it? |
| 19:24.29 | lilib | if i created any folder in root of / |
| 19:24.45 | lilib | and tried mount it, it said no file or such directory |
| 19:24.51 | lilib | still |
| 19:24.54 | wols_ | lilib: what did you type? |
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| 19:25.00 | wols_ | and don't misuse your enter key please |
| 19:25.04 | lilib | mount /dev/.... /test |
| 19:25.18 | SerajewelKS | "root of /" is redundant :) |
| 19:25.23 | lilib | where test is folder i created in root of / |
| 19:25.41 | Mike556 | therefore is it considered *clean* to manually rmmod the module, cp the new one over the old one, and simply modprobe? |
| 19:26.20 | Devastator[work] | what's the correct name for this package? firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 19:26.21 | lilib | i need copy some /etc folders and one home account to dafe place |
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| 19:26.48 | lilib | safe |
| 19:27.02 | Mike556 | Devastator[work]: if talking to me, its a manual compile from latest source |
| 19:27.19 | Devastator[work] | Mike556, no no, I'm asking for myself |
| 19:27.28 | SerajewelKS | Mike556: it will work, yes... |
| 19:27.29 | lilib | wols_> misuse enter key? |
| 19:27.45 | wols_ | !enter |
| 19:27.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:27.55 | Mike556 | but is it considered clean? or is there a better way of handling this? |
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| 19:28.34 | SerajewelKS | Mike556: honestly i try not to clobber package-provided files (except conffiles) with my own files, but i don't think it will break anything |
| 19:28.42 | SerajewelKS | Mike556: just make sure you run depmod before you modprobe |
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| 19:29.41 | Mike556 | ok.thanks |
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| 19:30.35 | Mike556 | if I need to load the module with parms, I simply have to add "modulename PARAMs" to /etc/modules ? |
| 19:30.36 | f00bar80 | how to check if X is correctly installed ? |
| 19:31.02 | valdyn | f00bar80: aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 19:31.02 | Mike556 | or will it cause a problem if the driver is already loaded? (its the nic drivers) |
| 19:31.03 | ritimbaks | i have Lxde desktop and KDesktop both. i want to remove KDesktop but i dont want to remove kde applications. is it possible ? |
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| 19:31.40 | valdyn | ritimbaks: it does not make sense |
| 19:31.56 | valdyn | ritimbaks: the kde applications are what defines the kde desktop |
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| 19:32.52 | ritimbaks | valdyn: i mean educational apps or games :) |
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| 19:34.27 | SerajewelKS | ritimbaks: yes, it is possible, sort of |
| 19:34.49 | SerajewelKS | ritimbaks: you can remove stuff like the KDE panel and other utilities, but a lot of the KDE core will have to remain since most KDE apps depend on it |
| 19:35.46 | SerajewelKS | ritimbaks: you could remove all KDE stuff then install the programs you want to keep. the packaging system will get all the stuff they need to run. (which might be pretty close to everything you uninstalled, and it might not depending on the app.) |
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| 19:36.11 | ritimbaks | SerajewelKS: so which command shold i give? apt-get remove ? |
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| 19:37.16 | ritimbaks | seanw: but there are lots of apps like kalzium kgepgraph kmplot bla bla ... |
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| 19:37.33 | ritimbaks | SerajewelKS: but there are lots of apps like kalzium kgepgraph kmplot bla bla ... |
| 19:37.45 | SerajewelKS | ritimbaks: if you like curses apps, run aptitude with no arguments |
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| 19:37.58 | SerajewelKS | ritimbaks: and you can interactively remove and install packages in one operation |
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| 19:38.25 | ritimbaks | ok i will try aptitude remove kde |
| 19:38.32 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 19:38.32 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 19:39.02 | gnat_x | ritimbaks: i use kde apps (mostly kate and kompare) in xfce, but you need a bunch of kde libraries to do it. |
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| 19:39.29 | gnat_x | i know a bunch of gnome users who prefer amarok as well, and its the same deal there. |
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| 19:40.08 | ritimbaks | gnat_x: kdelibs dont matter but i dont want to see kde in my login screen :) |
| 19:40.24 | didge | I am attempting to install a "Desktop Environment" from a "Standard System". I am using Lenny, Debian 5.0.4. I am having difficulties. I have significant console experience. |
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| 19:40.43 | wols_ | !tell didge about errors |
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| 19:41.44 | ritimbaks | didge: which desktop environmet you want to install |
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| 19:42.07 | Titan8990 | ritimbaks: I assume he means the desktop environment task, which would be gnome |
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| 19:42.23 | Titan8990 | ritimbaks: especially since "standard system" is also a task |
| 19:42.34 | didge | ritimbaks; gnome-desktop |
| 19:43.16 | wols_ | you still haven't told us what the problem is |
| 19:43.21 | Mike556 | ok...I manually repalced the .ko in lib/modules, but upon reboot, it seems it reverts back to another driver |
| 19:43.50 | didge | ok. i will explore more. i don't trust irc anymore -- i feel nervous even coming on. |
| 19:44.03 | wols_ | wow |
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| 19:44.43 | ritimbaks | hothead |
| 19:44.43 | Mike556 | I know the driver was reverted becuase I edited the ethtool.c file to return the itr setting, and now it is not showing it |
| 19:45.13 | wols_ | nothing will be reverted. at all |
| 19:45.31 | wols_ | your linux cannot pull out an old module from thin air |
| 19:45.45 | Mike556 | hmm...if I modprobe the module, THEN my version is loaded |
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| 19:46.17 | wols_ | there is this little thing named initrd Mike556 |
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| 19:46.50 | Mike556 | im listening :) |
| 19:47.02 | wols_ | Mike556: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel |
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| 19:48.12 | Mike556 | care to elaborate on the reasons why I must dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:48.29 | Titan8990 | Mike556: because that is what generates the initrd |
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| 19:50.55 | lottikaro | hii debianer |
| 19:51.25 | pom | Is there no WPA-support for iwlwifi-4965? |
| 19:51.32 | lottikaro | nope |
| 19:51.33 | wols_ | of course there is |
| 19:53.25 | themill | looks at lottikaro |
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| 19:53.51 | lottikaro | ahhh.. what's that? |
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| 19:54.17 | wols_ | lottikaro: do you have a debian related question? or do you want to talk in german instead of english? if so: #debian.de |
| 19:54.48 | lottikaro | dude.. im not from germany :D |
| 19:55.00 | wols_ | well, you have a german IP |
| 19:55.04 | pom | I'm trying to install 5.04 on my laptop, after I supply the driver I can not find any networks and when I manually supply SSID I can only enter WEP. I used the driver from this package: http://packages.debian.org/sv/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download |
| 19:55.11 | lottikaro | yeeeah thats just a proxy |
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| 19:55.40 | wols_ | !wpa |
| 19:55.40 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 19:55.50 | themill | lottikaro: so do you have a Debian user-support question then? |
| 19:55.57 | surf | wols_, hi last day you told me to try installing the 2.6.33 from experimental. The fact is that when I try to do that it says linux-base is not installed correctly |
| 19:56.09 | wols_ | !tell surf about errors |
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| 19:56.43 | lottikaro | yeeeah ehrm.. how can i get a colorized startupconsole? :) |
| 19:56.49 | surf | Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.33-1~experimental.4) but 2.6.32-10 is not being installed |
| 19:57.07 | wols_ | surf: you are running squeeze or sid already? |
| 19:57.11 | surf | squeeze |
| 19:57.27 | wols_ | then you should know how to resolve versioning conflicts |
| 19:57.39 | wols_ | especially with a hint so blatant |
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| 19:58.02 | surf | i'll try |
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| 20:02.55 | wm4 | what's the status of the debian package servers? |
| 20:03.03 | themill | !ries |
| 20:03.03 | dpkg | ries.debian.org is the server behind ftp-master.debian.org (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=ries http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg00010.html . Ask me about <d-d-a>. |
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| 20:03.53 | Gnudoll | Uhmmm surf, I'm running that kernel on Lenny |
| 20:03.54 | Gnudoll | r4 |
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| 20:03.54 | Mike556 | when youguys I had to dpkg-reconfigure the kernel for the module, is that the same as update-initramfs -u? |
| 20:03.54 | Gnudoll | Of course, I tend to grab it from kernel.org and cook my own. . . |
| 20:04.00 | surf | Gnudoll, 2.6.33? |
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| 20:04.33 | wm4 | themill: thanks |
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| 20:04.54 | surf | wols_, seems to be this bug http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg273337.html missing kbuild |
| 20:04.59 | Gnudoll | Linux Voyager2 2.6.33.1 #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 27 15:52:19 PDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:06.46 | Gnudoll | I grabbed the source, installed the required packages to build it, and cooked it myself. for the hardware I have |
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| 20:07.17 | Gnudoll | Granted, I'm on a "turn of the century" laptop |
| 20:08.18 | Gnudoll | surf, have you ever cooked a kernel? |
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| 20:08.33 | laurus | Is there a limit to the number of files that may be stored in a directory? |
| 20:08.48 | surf | Gnudoll, generally with eggs and cheese for breakfast =) |
| 20:08.58 | lottikarotti | 1024 ! |
| 20:09.21 | Gnudoll | your processor gets that hot? |
| 20:09.29 | surf | Gnudoll, lol |
| 20:09.52 | surf | Gnudoll, btw I tried to compile a vanilla kernel during these days but wols was not happy about that |
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| 20:12.03 | surf | btw do you know how to solve this bug? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg273337.html I mean getting the right kbuild to build the kernel? |
| 20:12.14 | asaleem | Can I have aptitude/apt-get to install a specific pkg and not to remove the unused ones? |
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| 20:12.40 | Gnudoll | no, I don't |
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| 20:12.55 | Gnudoll | I havn't used kbuild in quite a while. . . |
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| 20:13.07 | Gnudoll | and then only experimentally |
| 20:13.45 | Gnudoll | tends to not use packaged kernels |
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| 20:13.57 | Titan8990 | asaleem: aptitude keep-all, might be what your looking for |
| 20:14.14 | Gnudoll | they do do not have enough garlic and onion in them |
| 20:14.21 | Titan8990 | think Gnudoll is a gentoo user who landed here by mistake |
| 20:14.29 | lottikarotti | waawwww :-( debian.de sucks! |
| 20:14.40 | asaleem | thanks Titan8990 , looks right |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | then use a different mirror? |
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| 20:15.32 | Gnudoll | Titan8990: I have ben using Debian since before Potato |
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| 20:15.54 | Gnudoll | exclusively |
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| 20:16.26 | Titan8990 | yes, I have heard it was common to build custom kernels in the older days of debian, but I figured people still packaged them |
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| 20:16.39 | Gnudoll | When I install, it gives me a packaged kernel, then I grab the latest source from the kernel archives, and cook my own |
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| 20:17.33 | Gnudoll | as an old girl, I get to have my own preferences |
| 20:17.34 | greycat | it was pretty much required, in the 2.2 days |
| 20:17.47 | greycat | Linux 2.2, I mean, not Debian 2.2 |
| 20:18.02 | Gnudoll | remembers both |
| 20:18.31 | Gnudoll | started with kernel 1.2.13 |
| 20:18.34 | Titan8990 | I don't mind compiling my own kernel... but recompiling each time there is a security patch can get to be a pita |
| 20:18.59 | surf | so shall I compile the 33 or the 34? |
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| 20:19.37 | greycat | I can't tolerate the configuration part of Linux kernels any more. Used to be you could soar through a "make menuconfig" in about 5 minutes if you knew what all you had to change on a given system. Now it's about an hour of "what the fuck is THIS and please god make this end". |
| 20:19.57 | Gnudoll | since this is a "desktop" environment and not a production build, I just wait for a few releases and build the new kernel then |
| 20:20.08 | greycat | That, together with the "!kernel of instability", pushed me toward the "just use a .deb". |
| 20:20.39 | lottikarotti | kick me! thanks! |
| 20:21.22 | Gnudoll | yeah, the latest menuconfigs are pretty large. . . |
| 20:21.35 | surf | in this period I would prefer installin the .33 from apt ( I don't have much time to spend). But if this is impossible then... |
| 20:21.44 | NoCode | What version of KDE is on Squeeze? |
| 20:21.49 | Gnudoll | I use defconfig and then tweak the result for my hardware |
| 20:21.51 | Titan8990 | surf: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.58 | Titan8990 | NoCode: 4.3 |
| 20:22.19 | NoCode | Cool, thanks |
| 20:22.24 | surf | Titan8990, upgrading the kernel :/ |
| 20:22.31 | Titan8990 | surf: for what purpose? |
| 20:22.32 | greycat | surf: for what purpose? |
| 20:22.33 | NoCode | I guess I'll just download the dailybuild for Gnome |
| 20:22.36 | greycat | Titan8990: scary. |
| 20:22.40 | NoCode | Or weekly build |
| 20:23.19 | surf | Titan8990, to solve an udev bug which is inside the 2.6.32 (mine) |
| 20:23.37 | greycat | upgrading linux solves udev bugs...? |
| 20:23.59 | surf | this has been the solution of many bugs udev related |
| 20:24.06 | surf | so I just wanted to try |
| 20:24.09 | greycat | if anything, I'd think you'd need to upgrade udev, or downgrade linux, to make 'em match |
| 20:24.17 | surf | I get 100% of cpu each every once in a while |
| 20:24.19 | lottikarotti | buy cheeseyburgers! |
| 20:24.34 | surf | downgrade? |
| 20:24.43 | surf | it has been solved since 2.6.33.1 |
| 20:25.02 | greycat | ok. if it's a specifically known issue, and this is the fix, then go for it |
| 20:25.02 | NoCode | Does unstable often not work? |
| 20:25.10 | Titan8990 | NoCode: yes |
| 20:25.20 | Titan8990 | !unstable |
| 20:25.20 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 20:25.32 | Gnudoll | NoCode: what part of unstable do you not understand? |
| 20:25.36 | Titan8990 | !qotd140 |
| 20:25.36 | dpkg | < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
| 20:25.38 | greycat | !break |
| 20:25.38 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 20:26.25 | NoCode | Gnurdux, Don't be ragging on my ass now. I just asked a simple question, and guess what, I got a simple answer. |
| 20:26.37 | NoCode | Gnudoll, ^ |
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| 20:26.47 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 20:26.54 | surf | greycat, well that's what I'm trying to do. The fact is that I don't have much time to read all the helps for each entry |
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| 20:28.00 | NoCode | I want python2.6 :( |
| 20:29.10 | Titan8990 | surf: then you should be running a stable release |
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| 20:29.48 | surf | I did it for a while |
| 20:29.50 | surf | but same problems |
| 20:29.55 | surf | also with ubuntu 9.10 |
| 20:30.30 | Titan8990 | surf: so your saying that the udev problem in squeeze/sid has the same bug in stable? What bug number is this? |
| 20:30.35 | NoCode | I'm not even going to consider installing Ubuntu anymore. I just wasted 3 hours of none-sense. Lucid is a piece of shit, and even though Squeeze *is* testing, it works way better. Though, I wish it had more up to date dependencies. |
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| 20:30.41 | NoCode | rages |
| 20:30.56 | capitan | NoCode, sounds to me like you want a couple isolated packages in unstable, right? |
| 20:31.07 | capitan | have you tried doing some apt-pinning? |
| 20:31.18 | Titan8990 | pinning often ends in tears, SSB is recommended |
| 20:31.27 | surf | Titan8990, I'm saying that I'm experiencing the same situation under different system ( with similar kernels ) so I suppose it's a kernel problem. |
| 20:31.28 | NoCode | pinning python2.6 would be a horrible mess |
| 20:31.41 | capitan | ah |
| 20:31.52 | NoCode | At least I would think anyway |
| 20:32.02 | capitan | so never mind my "isolated packages" part :P |
| 20:32.02 | surf | Titan8990, this is one of the bugs http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572537 |
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| 20:32.48 | nsadmin | capitan: if not running sid, you don't want to install sid packages |
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| 20:32.50 | themill | NoCode: if you want py2.6, then you've got to help fix bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/574770 |
| 20:33.09 | NoCode | If you go into synaptic, and seeing if you can remove python2.5 WITHOUT removing it or the dependencies, you'll see all the dependencies listed for removal. CANCEL after. |
| 20:33.16 | themill | NoCode: well actually, you can already have py2.6, you just don't get it as /usr/bin/python, but that's not an issue |
| 20:33.25 | capitan | nsadmin, a few here and there has treated me just fine on occasion |
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| 20:33.43 | nsadmin | nevertheless you should not recommend that, ever |
| 20:33.51 | capitan | esp if there aren't too many packages depending on, or being depended on by the package |
| 20:33.53 | greycat | capitan: it's highly risky |
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| 20:34.49 | greycat | if it's right after a release, and unstable hasn't diverged *too* much, then the unstable package *might* be compatible, dependency-wise. But on the other hand, right after a release, there's usually a huge dump of stuff that's been waiting for months due to the freeze.... |
| 20:34.54 | Titan8990 | surf: well, it does say its a kernel issue, so continue on or try .33 from experimental. |
| 20:34.55 | Gnudoll | NoCode: That was the answer that a sysadmin used when a user submited a problem when he was using unstable at the time |
| 20:35.16 | NoCode | Gnudoll, :P |
| 20:35.32 | Gnudoll | and I thought it was really funny |
| 20:36.19 | surf | Titan8990, lol that's the problem. when I try to sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.33-2-amd64 I get: Dipende: linux-base (>= 2.6.33-1~experimental.4) ma 2.6.32-10 sta per essere installato |
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| 20:36.27 | Gnudoll | I think of it every time I upgrade to sid, which currently breaks my system with bad dependancies |
| 20:37.00 | NoCode | Upgrading is quite messy anyway. I go for daily, or weekly build ISOs and install anew. |
| 20:37.25 | Gnudoll | they have isos for sid? |
| 20:37.30 | NoCode | Dunno |
| 20:37.50 | Gnudoll | I'm using the latest stable ISO |
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| 20:38.04 | boxxertrumps | from oldest to newest, is it lenny-squeeze-sid or the other way around? |
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| 20:38.05 | Titan8990 | believe there are weekly builds for it (might just be squeeze). Either way, you can use the squeeze installer to install sid |
| 20:38.06 | Gnudoll | and upgrading from that to sid breaks |
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| 20:38.19 | boxxertrumps | ok nvm |
| 20:38.22 | Titan8990 | boxxertrumps: lenny is the newest stable release, but that is correct |
| 20:38.30 | dvs | boxxertrumps: sid is the oldest but it will never be released |
| 20:38.30 | Esine | Hey. Is there a tool for calculating the CRC16 sum of a file? I have cksum and "crc32" but they do 32-bit checksums.. |
| 20:38.43 | greycat | Repeat after me: "sid is not an upgrade". |
| 20:38.58 | dvs | sways "sid is not... hey wait" |
| 20:39.06 | greycat | Esine: you could check to see whether openssl has a command for it |
| 20:39.11 | farri | how can I make my linux machine automatically reconnect when a pptp connections goes down? I am using pptpsetup for creating the VPN connection |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | Esine: personally I don't know off hand |
| 20:39.20 | Esine | greycat: I did. openssl has tons of ciphers and hashes, but not crc |
| 20:39.26 | Esine | maybe because crc is not very secure :) |
| 20:39.27 | surf | Titan8990, what can you tell me about it? I should install linux-base-2.6.31-10 and then after 2.6.33-1? |
| 20:39.41 | greycat | Esine: you may end up writing your own |
| 20:39.56 | greycat | or at least finding code on the internet |
| 20:39.57 | valdyn | farri: put persist into your peer file |
| 20:39.59 | NoCode | I wish I knew more to contribute. :( |
| 20:40.00 | dvs | farri: I thought there was a "persist" option but I haven't done that in a long time. |
| 20:40.05 | Titan8990 | surf: I have no idea what linux-base is |
| 20:40.06 | khem_ | can so somebody explain the terms "SAM, LM hash, LM hash +challenge, NTLM hash + challenge and NTLM session security hash for me? |
| 20:40.08 | Esine | oh dear.. I thought this would be something many people use. Sure I can whip up some C code or even find a module for perl but.. |
| 20:40.10 | farri | is there any way to detect with ppp0 goes down? |
| 20:40.10 | valdyn | farri: thats in /etc/ppp/peers/ |
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| 20:40.16 | boxxertrumps | i'm trying to get this install of pidgin updated on a customers machine |
| 20:40.26 | farri | valdyn: I am not using peers file, I am using pptpconnect |
| 20:40.27 | Titan8990 | khem_: those are all related to windows. try ##windows |
| 20:40.41 | Titan8990 | khem_: also, it sounds like homework you should be doing on your own |
| 20:40.42 | greycat | Esine: most people probably use SHA-1 or similar |
| 20:40.45 | surf | Titan8990, the fact is that one package is missing |
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| 20:40.49 | valdyn | farri: that too relies on pppd and you can add the persist option |
| 20:40.51 | Titan8990 | surf: what package? |
| 20:40.58 | nsadmin | , versions linux-base-2.6.31-10 |
| 20:40.59 | surf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574871 |
| 20:41.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-base-2.6.31-10' was found. |
| 20:41.01 | greycat | Esine: or maybe md5 is still the de facto standard |
| 20:41.15 | surf | damn it's 32 |
| 20:41.15 | farri | valdyn: ok and they if I add the persist option, when it goes down it automatically reconnects? |
| 20:41.20 | Esine | greycat: yeah, but sometimes you just have to have a crc16 hash. Like when uploading software through xmodem and want to verify it went there correctly |
| 20:41.29 | valdyn | farri: read the manpage for details |
| 20:41.31 | Titan8990 | surf: alright, get to compiling |
| 20:41.36 | farri | thx valdyn |
| 20:41.55 | greycat | Esine: I'm sorry you're stuck working in 1991. |
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| 20:42.03 | farri | valdyn: which manpage command pls? |
| 20:42.05 | boxxertrumps | would squeeze be a good idea for a noob? |
| 20:42.13 | valdyn | farri: "man pppd" |
| 20:42.18 | farri | thx |
| 20:42.31 | valdyn | farri: i cant see pptpconnect in debian, where is it? |
| 20:42.35 | boxxertrumps | i dont have many weird errors |
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| 20:42.39 | greycat | boxxertrumps: I'd stick with stable unless you really NEED something from squeeze, and then I'd consider backporting that instead of migrating to a whole new unreleased OS version |
| 20:42.41 | surf | Titan8990, :S this is gonna be tough man. I tried many times but every boot get "Impossible to mount FS on hda(0,0). I install the sata and the ext3 drivers but no way |
| 20:42.53 | farri | valdyn: not in stable, but I think it is in ppptpclient |
| 20:42.54 | NoCode | boxxertrumps, You're probably better off using lenny, and just learning how to apt-pin |
| 20:43.07 | Titan8990 | surf: couldn't say without more info |
| 20:43.09 | boxxertrumps | i'm not the noob |
| 20:43.18 | valdyn | farri: not in debian |
| 20:43.30 | farri | valdyn: pptp-linux |
| 20:43.33 | farri | perhaps its this |
| 20:43.59 | valdyn | farri: theres only pptpsetup and pptp |
| 20:44.05 | NoCode | judd, python lenny |
| 20:44.09 | surf | Titan8990, what shall I say you? I mean givin you the .config it's a pretty hard job... |
| 20:44.09 | farri | yes, pptpsetup sorry |
| 20:44.12 | farri | pptpsetup |
| 20:44.18 | Titan8990 | , versions python |
| 20:44.19 | judd | python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9 |
| 20:44.19 | NoCode | hrm |
| 20:44.20 | boxxertrumps | greycat: well, this thing wont be updated ever once i finish installing pidgin 2.6.x so i can iron out any problems |
| 20:44.33 | valdyn | farri: that probably already created your peer file |
| 20:44.42 | greycat | boxxertrumps: if it's just pidgin that needs to be newer than lenny, I'd do lenny + a backport of pidgin |
| 20:44.52 | farri | valdyn: yes pptpsetup already created the peer file |
| 20:44.56 | Titan8990 | surf: judging by that error, I would guess the root= in your menu.lst is wrong |
| 20:45.02 | nsadmin | theres not even 2.6 anywhere in debian... |
| 20:45.06 | NoCode | Heh. python2.6 isn't in sid either. glad I didn't go for it |
| 20:45.12 | greycat | as popular as pidgin seems to be, I'd expect someone's already built the backport and made it available |
| 20:45.17 | Titan8990 | surf: also, good chance the HDD controller drivers you build in are wrong since it reads "hda" |
| 20:45.19 | greycat | !backports.org |
| 20:45.19 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 20:45.44 | valdyn | judd: versions pidgin |
| 20:45.45 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 20:45.56 | Titan8990 | greycat: yahoo and msn break protocols faster than they can backport them unfortunatly |
| 20:46.01 | greycat | heh, lenny-backports is newer than squeeze |
| 20:46.04 | surf | Titan8990, yeah I was thinkin about that actually... it seems that it doesn't read the sata driver. I must install only the sata one right? Then edit the menu.lst |
| 20:46.21 | valdyn | boxxertrumps: 2.6.6 is in backports.org |
| 20:46.29 | Titan8990 | surf: you could build-in all the HDD controller drivers, but it is likely not desirable |
| 20:46.48 | surf | Titan8990, what can you tell me about initdr |
| 20:46.55 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 20:46.55 | dpkg | [initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>. |
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| 20:47.09 | Titan8990 | surf: I have never compiled my own kernel *and* used an initrd, so nothing really |
| 20:47.27 | surf | Titan8990, k |
| 20:47.30 | greycat | that "god's way of punishing you..." line probably goes back to the woody days |
| 20:47.53 | NoCode | Glad I'm Atheist. |
| 20:48.34 | surf | Titan8990, I can't understand which are the drivers to eliminate (inside make menuconfig) to leave sata alooone |
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| 20:49.18 | Titan8990 | surf: you don't have to eliminate anything. you could build-in *every* feature if you wanted to |
| 20:49.50 | surf | Titan8990, so the error can only be the grub.cfg |
| 20:49.59 | farri | valdyn: pptpsetup rewrites the peers file |
| 20:50.00 | ja-barr | hey for some reason I am getting authenticate failures when i use su on debian on a imac g5.....so i figure i need to go change the root password but i can't seem to load in single user mode |
| 20:50.04 | boxxertrumps | yeah just using the one package is going to be way better |
| 20:50.07 | boxxertrumps | thanks guys |
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| 20:51.13 | greycat | !tell ja-barr about i forgot root's password |
| 20:51.46 | ja-barr | it's not lilo or grub..... |
| 20:51.50 | ja-barr | it's yaboot |
| 20:52.17 | Titan8990 | surf: I know nothing about grub.cfg, this is why I typically only support lenny |
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| 20:52.46 | surf | I see |
| 20:52.51 | surf | I'll try during these days |
| 20:52.59 | surf | thx for the moment ;) |
| 20:53.02 | ja-barr | need to read shit sorry |
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| 20:53.08 | nsadmin | or just copy a config file from an existing, run make oldconfig answering every question you can with "m" and the rest with y or n (if it seems experimental or would make the kernel specialized in some way), back up the resulting .config and then /msg dpkg kp mantra (make sure to use --initrd) |
| 20:53.10 | Titan8990 | surf: gentoo is probably going to host your best docs for getting vanilla to work |
| 20:53.31 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: kernel-package will work with vanilla sources? |
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| 20:53.39 | nsadmin | yep |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | that's what k-p is for |
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| 20:54.27 | Titan8990 | I thought it was like dpkg-buildpackage and required to debian/ directory was created and configured |
| 20:54.57 | Titan8990 | s/to/the |
| 20:54.58 | dvs | Titan8990: well, you can steal a config file from the Debian kernels |
| 20:55.08 | greycat | k-p is to upstream kernel sources what java-package is to upstream java tarballs, except for the part where j-p can't handle any of the last, oh, 9 or so revs. |
| 20:55.13 | Titan8990 | dvs: its a config directory... the .config is a non-issue |
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| 20:56.22 | neuro_damage | using squeeze and I'm seeing insserv: loop involving service mtab lvm2, udev, and checkfs |
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| 20:56.35 | Esine | perl -e 'open F, "image.bin" or die "nope"; $s=<F>;use Digest::CRC qw(crc16);printf "0x%x\n", crc16($s);' |
| 20:56.38 | neuro_damage | basically a bunch of service scripts conflicts is my guess, how could I easily resolve these issues? |
| 20:56.39 | Esine | works fine |
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| 20:57.27 | abrotman | Esine: wrong channel ? |
| 20:58.01 | Esine | No, related to my request for crc16 utility above :) |
| 20:58.20 | abrotman | ah okay .. i didn't see it in the backscroll |
| 21:00.59 | babilen | neuro_damage: Which version of Debian are you using? Is everything updated to the latest version? Could you paste the complete output to a pastebin please .. |
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| 21:01.32 | neuro_damage | babilen: yeah will do |
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| 21:01.54 | babilen | neuro_damage: Could you check if all of the init scripts for the services in question define LSB headers too? |
| 21:02.00 | neuro_damage | babilen: get those errors when running full-upgrade w/aptitude |
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| 21:02.31 | babilen | neuro_damage: Sounds as if you are running at least testing, or? |
| 21:02.42 | neuro_damage | http://pastebin.com/RQK6XnZw |
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| 21:03.32 | neuro_damage | babilen: squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 21:03.52 | ja-barr | !tell ja-barr about i forgot root's password |
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| 21:04.50 | neuro_damage | babilen: I'm guessing squeeze means testing :) |
| 21:04.54 | babilen | neuro_damage: The LSB headers in the applicable scripts should look like: http://paste.debian.net/66526/ |
| 21:05.00 | babilen | neuro_damage: yes it does |
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| 21:05.35 | greycat | !squeeze |
| 21:05.35 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel> |
| 21:05.59 | greycat | and yes, squeeze is currently testing |
| 21:06.10 | neuro_damage | yup I see that, cheers greycat :) |
| 21:07.28 | babilen | neuro_damage: It is also interesting to see the output of "apt-cache policy udev initscripts lvm2" |
| 21:08.59 | neuro_damage | babilen: that's a helpful command :) |
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| 21:09.26 | aguitel | anyway to install emerald ? |
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| 21:10.51 | f00bar80 | trying to startx after installing both gnome and xorg , got Fatal server error no screens found xinit: No such file or directory(errno 2): unable to connect to X server , here's xorg log /var/log/Xorg http://paste.debian.net/66529 , any comment ? |
| 21:10.53 | nick34 | Hello all. I'm trying to figure out how I would find all packages installed on a debian lenny box that uses the debian backports servers. How can this be done on the command line? Any help greatly appreciated. |
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| 21:13.50 | babilen | !dbugs 571273 |
| 21:13.54 | dpkg | DONE:#571273:N[xorg] xorg: No 3d acceleration because "Failed to open DRM device" (); Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:03:01 UTC [] |
| 21:14.06 | dkr | nick34: aptitude search ~Abackports maybe? i always forget which letters are which for the ! search options |
| 21:14.16 | babilen | f00bar80: If i read ^^^ correctly you need to upgrade to a newer kernel. |
| 21:14.36 | dkr | er the ~ search options. they are all listed in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 21:14.40 | Arrowmaster | nick34: aptitude search ~Oorigin where origin is whatever the name is that backports uses |
| 21:15.06 | nick34 | dkr, Arrowmaster ok I try that now then. |
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| 21:15.25 | dkr | nick34: oh, it might be ~O for origin |
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| 21:15.58 | Arrowmaster | oh and ~i for installed |
| 21:16.00 | babilen | nick34: If you are unsure which origin to search for, use "apt-cache policy" to find out. It's the o= part |
| 21:16.00 | jnewt | how do i tell what to mount when i plug in a usb drive? |
| 21:16.23 | nick34 | ok, I think that get me closer, it looks like it shows all available for backports, not just installed Arrowmaster |
| 21:16.27 | babilen | f00bar80: Checked the bug report? Which kernel version do you use? |
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| 21:16.57 | babilen | !tell nick34 -about which repo |
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| 21:17.10 | nick34 | Arrowmaster, how would I combine the ~O and ~i ? |
| 21:17.26 | Arrowmaster | im not sure |
| 21:17.42 | babilen | nick34: Or you can restrict the aptitude search to installed ones, by "aptitude search ~i~Oyadda" |
| 21:17.47 | nick34 | Arrowmaster, perhalps I'll run it to a text file and grep it then |
| 21:17.55 | nick34 | babilen, oh? I try now |
| 21:18.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah my first guess would have been ~i~O but i wasnt sure |
| 21:18.23 | babilen | Search options are ANDed |
| 21:18.43 | nick34 | Arrowmaster, babilen dkr yes the ~i~O seems to be correct now |
| 21:18.48 | f00bar80 | babilen, it's k , i got gnome working now, but i don't have the network-manager-pptp-gnome installed in preferences neither network-manager |
| 21:18.59 | jnewt | fdisk -l doesn't show the device, at least that i know, i have sda's hda's, and md0's, but I don't see anything small except md0 and md10, probably the raid array right? it's been a long time since i looked at this level. |
| 21:19.00 | nick34 | Arrowmaster, babilen dkr thank you *very* much :) |
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| 21:19.09 | babilen | nick34: You are welcome :) |
| 21:19.37 | xuser | aptitude search 'bpo ~i' ? |
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| 21:20.15 | xuser | lag :/ |
| 21:20.35 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah everything on backports has bpo in the version too |
| 21:20.42 | babilen | f00bar80: I have *absolute* no idea how network-manager-pptp-gnome works .. Is it installed? Didn't you have problems with that? You might want to read its documentation at /usr/share/doc/network-manager-pptp-gnome - I guess that it somehow "plugs" into the nm-applet. Is that running? |
| 21:20.45 | dkr | xuser: that gives you packages witht he characters "bpo" in the name like libpoppler-qt4-dev |
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| 21:21.25 | Lemonator | so I installed using netinst, but I couldn't get a network up during the install, so it's just a base system. |
| 21:21.31 | f00bar80 | babilen, i can start a normal terminal but not a root terminal |
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| 21:21.34 | Lemonator | but now I don't see a way to connect to the internet |
| 21:21.36 | f00bar80 | babilen, any idea ? |
| 21:21.46 | nick34 | Arrowmaster, xuser I was hoping to find by the origin of the rep, as I want to be able to search debian multimedia too, who doesn't put a tag of any kind in their package names, so I think the ~i~O is the trick for me here |
| 21:21.47 | Lemonator | there's no ifconfig, no iwconfig, no dhcpcd, no dhclient, nothing. |
| 21:21.49 | Lemonator | what do I do? |
| 21:21.53 | babilen | f00bar80: What? How is that related to the network manager problem? |
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| 21:22.06 | wols | Lemonator: what network chip(s)? |
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| 21:22.24 | wols | Lemonator: dhclient is part of the debian isntall btw |
| 21:22.26 | wols | a |
| 21:22.27 | babilen | f00bar80: And what do you mean by starting a root terminal? The application "root terminal" in Gnome, or are you unable to "su" to root from within a "normal" terminal? |
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| 21:22.45 | f00bar80 | babilen, i tried just to open the root terminal , but didnt work |
| 21:23.11 | babilen | f00bar80: Open a "normal" terminal, and run "su" -> give your root password |
| 21:23.30 | f00bar80 | babilen, Applications >> Accessories >> Root terminal |
| 21:23.36 | babilen | f00bar80: Which version of Debian are you using anyway? testing/sid? Are you sure that you want to run that? |
| 21:23.39 | Lemonator | wols, |
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| 21:23.47 | Lemonator | Atheros something something. |
| 21:23.49 | f00bar80 | babilen, lenny |
| 21:23.55 | wols | Lemonator: lspci -nn |
| 21:24.02 | babilen | f00bar80: Ah! Great :) |
| 21:24.19 | Lemonator | lspci: command not found |
| 21:24.33 | nsadmin | you could install it |
| 21:24.39 | nsadmin | ,file lspci |
| 21:24.41 | aguitel | Lemonator, with root |
| 21:24.42 | judd | lspci in lenny/i386: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci; debian-installer: usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/glantank/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/kurobox-pro/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/n2100/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/netwinder/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian- (1 more message) |
| 21:24.42 | wols | nsadmin: he has no network |
| 21:24.47 | babilen | !tell Lemonator -about apt-file |
| 21:25.02 | wols | ,file bin/lspci |
| 21:25.04 | judd | bin/lspci in lenny/i386: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci |
| 21:25.08 | Lemonator | I'm already root |
| 21:25.12 | Lemonator | there's no lspci |
| 21:25.26 | wols | Lemonator: what hardware is it? netbook? |
| 21:25.29 | nsadmin | got a usb key? |
| 21:25.33 | Lemonator | wols, yeah |
| 21:25.36 | Lemonator | eee pc 1005p |
| 21:25.37 | babilen | Lemonator: The pciutils package might not be installed |
| 21:25.42 | wols | Lemonator: asus 1001 or 1005? |
| 21:25.45 | babilen | neuro_damage: status? |
| 21:25.46 | Lemonator | nsadmin, I do have a usb, |
| 21:25.54 | Lemonator | but it only has the netinst image on it. |
| 21:26.07 | wols | Lemonator: if so, then you need a newer kernel frm backports. then your ethernet and wlan will work |
| 21:26.10 | Esine | Lemonator: 1005HA-P? I have the same laptop. |
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| 21:26.19 | nsadmin | so you could get the pciutils .deb onto the key |
| 21:26.23 | Lemonator | Esine, 1005PE-M |
| 21:26.26 | Esine | Support for the wired network has been added in later kernels, I think it was 2.6.18 |
| 21:26.34 | Esine | sorry, 2.6.28* |
| 21:26.47 | wols | Lemonator: as I said, new kernel, then both will work |
| 21:26.48 | Lemonator | kernel is 2.6.32-trunk |
| 21:26.58 | xuser | dkr: true :) |
| 21:27.00 | Lemonator | I don't think there's a newer one available. |
| 21:27.00 | wols | that's the right kernel. ath9k should work fine |
| 21:27.02 | Esine | Oh.. Lemonator, do you have the module 'atl1c' loaded? |
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| 21:27.08 | Esine | oh and wired or wireless? |
| 21:27.09 | wols | as should the driver for atl1c |
| 21:27.15 | Lemonator | Esine, nope |
| 21:27.37 | Lemonator | wait |
| 21:27.38 | wols | ,pciid 168c:002c |
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| 21:27.40 | judd | [168c:002c] is 'Unknown device' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002c http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:27.41 | Lemonator | modprobed it. |
| 21:27.50 | Lemonator | yeah, atl1c seems to be installed. |
| 21:28.03 | niklaswe | Lemonator: what do you have for computer Asus 1000H or? |
| 21:28.03 | Esine | Lemonator: Good. Now try to dmesg|tail or ip/ifconfig and see if you have eth0 |
| 21:28.07 | wols | modprobe ath9k |
| 21:28.22 | Lemonator | I have lo |
| 21:28.30 | nsadmin | Lemonator: try ifconfig -a and see what you have\ |
| 21:28.30 | Esine | Lemonator: try ifconfig -a |
| 21:28.31 | Lemonator | hm |
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| 21:28.36 | Lemonator | for some reaso |
| 21:28.37 | Lemonator | n |
| 21:28.44 | Lemonator | ifconfig and iwconfig now exist. |
| 21:28.52 | xuser | magic! |
| 21:29.15 | nsadmin | probably a $PATH thing |
| 21:29.27 | Esine | jeez, it only took an hour uploading this 20 megabyte image to my router via xmodem. |
| 21:30.06 | Lemonator | internet now works. |
| 21:30.08 | Lemonator | thanks guys. |
| 21:30.11 | blankstare | greetings all, i'm trying to run apt-get and receive 'cannot execute binary file'. a search indicates that the issue is either permission probs or a corrupt executable. this is my first time w/o a gui. how would i go about redownloading or compiling apt-get? |
| 21:30.17 | Esine | Lemonator: great :-) |
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| 21:32.13 | Lemonator | alright, different problem now |
| 21:32.22 | Lemonator | no matter what I try to install, unless I already have it, |
| 21:32.27 | Lemonator | apt-get can't find it. |
| 21:32.35 | Lemonator | is there a file with repositories I need to edit? |
| 21:32.52 | babilen | !sources.list |
| 21:32.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 21:32.53 | Esine | yes, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:32.57 | Esine | then run apt-get update |
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| 21:33.47 | Lemonator | hm |
| 21:33.51 | Lemonator | I uncommented two lines. |
| 21:33.56 | Lemonator | then did an update |
| 21:34.16 | f00bar80 | babilen, if i'm connecting to the internet using 3G usb modem / pppd , can't i get an icon in the applets bar |
| 21:35.05 | babilen | f00bar80: As i said: I don't use network-mangler and have no idea how that work. From my experience I would think that it is plugin into "nm-applet" that docks into the panel |
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| 21:35.54 | babilen | f00bar80: And would expect that you are able to configure your PPTP connection in the preferences of nm-applet |
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| 21:36.40 | f00bar80 | babilen, how to manage this nm-applet |
| 21:36.43 | babilen | Lemonator: Paste you sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to a pastebin. But what was your problem? (did not follow) |
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| 21:37.13 | azeem_ | f00bar80: which version of Debian? |
| 21:37.17 | babilen | f00bar80: Alt-F2 -> nm-applet ... The network-manager applet should appear in your panel and you can click it |
| 21:37.23 | azeem_ | only very new version of n-m have 3g support AFAIK |
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| 21:37.42 | babilen | azeem_: stable ... Where to find information about this? |
| 21:37.59 | azeem_ | dunno |
| 21:38.03 | Backup | how can i go about finding the chipset version on my atheros card if lspci doesnt report it? |
| 21:38.25 | babilen | azeem_: BTW, we are currently working on the multilingual support situation and I thought that you might have some ideas about that as well. Still interested? |
| 21:38.31 | Backup | Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002a (rev 01) |
| 21:38.49 | Dbug | Backup: -vvv |
| 21:39.02 | babilen | Backup: Paste the relevant line of "lspci -nn" |
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| 21:39.15 | azeem_ | babilen: sure, in general |
| 21:39.24 | Esine | Backup: that's an atheros ar928x wireless chip. You may use the ath9k module |
| 21:39.31 | babilen | azeem_: is it ok if i /msg you? |
| 21:39.45 | azeem | yeah |
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| 21:40.14 | azeem | eh, hang on |
| 21:41.47 | Backup | thanks. how would i go about figuring out the chipset in the future if lspci wont report it tho? |
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| 21:48.34 | Lemonator | hm |
| 21:48.42 | Lemonator | why does pretty much everything I want to install |
| 21:48.48 | Lemonator | have unmet dependenciens? |
| 21:48.50 | wols | Backup: lspci will. lspci -nn give you the pci id and you can google that |
| 21:49.01 | Esine | Lemonator: Please paste your sources.list somewhere. |
| 21:49.08 | Esine | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:49.08 | wols | Lemonator: pastebin your sources.list |
| 21:49.23 | Lemonator | rather hard to do when I don't even have a web browser. |
| 21:49.39 | Esine | do you have lynx? |
| 21:49.42 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 21:49.42 | dpkg | pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
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| 21:50.07 | Backup | wols: allright, cheers :) |
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| 21:51.28 | wols | Lemonator: do you have a repo like "ftp.debian.org" in your sources.list or security and volatile only? |
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| 21:54.05 | wald0 | i can't "chown root:root file" to a file owned by me in my home directory ? |
| 21:54.11 | wald0 | i get an error trying to do that |
| 21:54.25 | SerajewelKS | wald0: not without being root |
| 21:54.45 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: so i can't assign a file that is mine to be property of root ? mmmh, curious |
| 21:54.57 | yebyen | hey, what do they use in debian unstable to control which modules are loaded and unloaded on ACPI sleep events? |
| 21:55.05 | yebyen | it's not anywhere in /etc/defaults/acpi-support |
| 21:55.08 | SerajewelKS | wald0: no. because if that file were setuid, then you would have just created a setuid program in your home folder |
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| 21:55.21 | babilen | Lemonator: Have you pasted your sources.list and the "apt-cache policy" output to a pastebin yet? |
| 21:55.31 | SerajewelKS | wald0: you can change the group owner of a file only to a group you are in |
| 21:55.40 | SerajewelKS | wald0: and i don't think you can change the owner of a file ever, unless you are root |
| 21:56.04 | aguitel | what the best way to find the fastest mirror |
| 21:56.36 | wols | SerajewelKS: you can if you own it |
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| 21:56.45 | wols | e.g. I can transfer my files to you but that's it |
| 21:56.48 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: aparently i can't set it to the root group too |
| 21:56.50 | Lemonator | http://pastebin.com/Rgy0LLu6 |
| 21:56.54 | Lemonator | here it is. |
| 21:57.00 | wald0 | oh, "are in".. ok |
| 21:57.23 | SerajewelKS | wols: no, you can't. not by owner. |
| 21:57.24 | wols | Lemonator: this is very wrong deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free squeeze testing |
| 21:57.40 | Lemonator | okay |
| 21:57.43 | Lemonator | what should I put? |
| 21:57.44 | Backup | does the ath9k driver have any known issues with wpa? trying to associate with a linksys cisco wrt54g, but it halts at authentication. got 2 other wireless clients connecting just fine. |
| 21:57.51 | SerajewelKS | wols: only by group (if we share a common group) or the "other" permission set |
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| 21:58.12 | SerajewelKS | wols: everything else results in "Operation not permitted" |
| 21:58.16 | wols | Lemonator: what debian branch do you want? |
| 21:58.46 | wols | Lemonator: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free for stable |
| 21:58.51 | Lemonator | squeeze |
| 21:58.58 | SerajewelKS | wald0: this prevents set[ug]id attacks and some other nastiness |
| 21:59.02 | wols | then replace the "stable" in above line with squeeze |
| 21:59.10 | SerajewelKS | wald0: if root needs access to something... root already has access, so don't worry about it |
| 22:00.15 | SerajewelKS | wald0: perhaps you could tell us what you are trying to accomplish instead |
| 22:00.30 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: yes, i was just looking about that setuid thing, after to discover a very big (and easy) security hole with suid things (created by user), the only problem is that i can't set the file to the UID 0 owner, and this looks like to solve this problem |
| 22:00.58 | cockroach | hey, does the current fglrx driver in debian support the hd hd 5700 (juniper) cards? |
| 22:01.04 | SerajewelKS | wald0: right, that's one of the many reasons you are not allowed to change owner, nor change group to one you don't already have access to |
| 22:01.05 | cockroach | s/hd // |
| 22:01.10 | babilen | wols: and please use "lenny" and not "stable" (i'm sure you know this, just wanted to point it out) |
| 22:01.19 | Sebby | how can i make ls to show directories and files in colors |
| 22:01.37 | Sebby | like ls --color |
| 22:01.41 | wols | babilen: the question is, why doesn't debian :) |
| 22:01.51 | babilen | wols: huh? |
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| 22:02.13 | wols | debian uses "stable" by default in sources.list after installation for example |
| 22:02.19 | Lemonator | wols, thanks, it seems to be fixed now. |
| 22:02.25 | babilen | wols: I thought it is the default in new installations now, after the uproar after the lenny release |
| 22:02.31 | SerajewelKS | Sebby: alias ls in your .bashrc |
| 22:02.41 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: sounds correct... i wonder if there's not an easy/alternative way to set it owned by root... maybe fakeroot ? |
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| 22:02.46 | niklaswe | Sebby: alias ls="ls --color=auto" in your .bashrc |
| 22:02.54 | babilen | wols: really? well, i should check that and file a bug. |
| 22:03.00 | SerajewelKS | wald0: fakeroot can pretend that a file is root |
| 22:03.11 | SerajewelKS | wald0: but the setuid nonsense is done when you execute the file, by the kernel |
| 22:03.14 | gnat_x | the installer for squeeze put squeeze in my sources.list |
| 22:03.17 | Sebby | well .. i have the alias in .bashrc in /root |
| 22:03.21 | Sebby | but same |
| 22:03.37 | SerajewelKS | wald0: fakeroot pretends to other programs that a file is owned by root -- it does not actually change the file's ownership, so the kernel doesn't see the faked ownership |
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| 22:04.08 | \amethyst | Sebby: does alias list it? Also, how are you becoming root? Remember that .bashrc is not sourced for login shells |
| 22:04.10 | SerajewelKS | wald0: fakeroot works by capturing libc calls like stat() and writing fake values in the response. the kernel is on the "other side" of libc. |
| 22:04.26 | themill | wols: no, it uses the codename now in the sources.list, but the docs still suggest "stable" is a good idea (and yes, a bug has already been filed) |
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| 22:04.38 | Sebby | i`m loggedin as root vie ssh |
| 22:04.41 | Sebby | via ssh |
| 22:04.43 | babilen | themill: Yeah, i thought so. |
| 22:04.51 | aguitel | anyone using apt-spy ? |
| 22:05.05 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 22:05.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:05.08 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: ^^^ |
| 22:05.30 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, you ? |
| 22:05.50 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: no, what you asked is not a valid question. if you want to know how many people use apt-spy, you can check popcon. |
| 22:05.52 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: sounds good... im not going to lost more time on this (just curiosity has scratched my head) but i wonder if there's not an ingenious way to set the file to be root owned |
| 22:06.07 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: if you want to know something *about* apt-spy, then ask that question instead so we don't have to weasel it out of you |
| 22:06.24 | SerajewelKS | wald0: there is not, the kernel will not allow it |
| 22:06.40 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, i need to know how to fix the sources.list |
| 22:06.50 | JyZyXEL | sudo cryptsetup -c blowfish -h sha256 -d /dev/urandom create swap /swapfile |
| 22:06.52 | JyZyXEL | Command failed: BLKROGET failed on device: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 22:07.14 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: well, maybe another application/program (than kernel) like something already set with suid |
| 22:07.19 | JyZyXEL | seems cryptsetup can't handle files |
| 22:07.22 | JyZyXEL | whats up with that? |
| 22:07.55 | SerajewelKS | wald0: a program with setuid will be run as root, so it could chown a file to root, yes. |
| 22:08.21 | SerajewelKS | wald0: if random files could be chowned to root then that would be a security vulnerability in that particular program. hopefully all the setuid binaries are secure. :) |
| 22:08.26 | Sebby | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.37 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: without knowing what about your sources.list is broken, we cannot help you |
| 22:08.42 | SerajewelKS | !tell aguitel about smart questions |
| 22:08.45 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: read what dpkg told you |
| 22:08.53 | Sebby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.11 | \amethyst | Sebby: put it in .profile or .bash_profile as well |
| 22:09.21 | \amethyst | Sebby: when you ssh in you get a login shell, and login shells don't source .bashrc |
| 22:09.27 | wald0 | SerajewelKS: i have read a while ago about that reiser4 supports atomic commits and so this covers up a security hole by replacing a file during the transaction of the filesystem |
| 22:09.28 | Sebby | where are those files situated? |
| 22:09.40 | \amethyst | Sebby: alternatively, have root's .bash_profile source .bashrc |
| 22:09.46 | \amethyst | Sebby: in root's home directory (/root) |
| 22:10.22 | Sebby | oo yes ..fogot ..i`ve seen those files .. |
| 22:10.23 | Arrowmaster | what gets called when during the invocation of bash is such a nightmare |
| 22:10.25 | \amethyst | Sebby: also note that executing .bashrc won't set the aliases in your current shell... you'd need to source it |
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| 22:10.35 | \amethyst | Sebby: source ~/.bashrc |
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| 22:15.02 | Medalgod | hi guys. Trying to set up a mail server & am running in to some issues. Could anybody reccomend an up-to date guide for the latest 'stable' debian? |
| 22:15.19 | wols | depends on the mail software you use and what you want to do |
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| 22:15.29 | wols | workaround.org has a very nice howto |
| 22:15.36 | Sebby | <\amethyst> you talled me: have root's .bash_profile source .bashrc ..how should i do that? |
| 22:15.42 | Medalgod | @wols thanks - i'll take a look |
| 22:16.32 | \amethyst | Sebby: in .bash_profile, add the line source ~/.bashrc |
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| 22:17.04 | \amethyst | Sebby: if root doesn't have a .bash_profile but does have a .profile, then create a .bash_profile with two lines: source ~/.profile source ~/.bashrc |
| 22:17.09 | Sebby | .bash_profile is same with .profile? 9i have only .profile in /root dir |
| 22:17.10 | Medalgod | @wols - taken a look at the guide over at workaround. I don't a setup so complex. Namely using the user's local mailbox's is fine. any suggestions? |
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| 22:18.21 | neuro_damage | anyone successfully been able to connect to juniper systems VPN? |
| 22:18.27 | neuro_damage | from a debian linux machine? |
| 22:18.54 | \amethyst | Sebby: .profile is sourced by all (bourne-compatible) login shells, but .bash_profile only by bash |
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| 22:19.13 | \amethyst | Sebby: since .bashrc is bash-only, you probably don't want to source it from .profile |
| 22:19.26 | \amethyst | Sebby: but bash won't source .profile if .bash_profile exists |
| 22:19.29 | Sebby | i typed as you said but i have only .profile no bash_profile |
| 22:19.52 | \amethyst | Sebby: hence my recommendation to create a .bash_profile with two lines source ~/.profile and source ~/.bashrc |
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| 22:20.50 | Sebby | i typed those lines but those didn`t created it .. or you meen to create the file and paste those 2 lines in it? |
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| 22:21.23 | \amethyst | Sebby: yes |
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| 22:22.14 | Sebby | lol .. 1st i typed in shell those commands ..:)) |
| 22:23.05 | Sebby | now after i did that? (i meen created .bash_profile... aded those lines in it..) |
| 22:23.12 | \amethyst | Sebby: log in again |
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| 22:23.47 | Sebby | same |
| 22:24.09 | Sebby | i used 2 windows and in one i logged again |
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| 22:25.39 | \amethyst | Sebby: type alias there... does it print anything? |
| 22:25.57 | \amethyst | Sebby: also, how are you becoming root? |
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| 22:26.29 | Sebby | i login via putty |
| 22:27.01 | Sebby | because i have only one monitor |
| 22:27.11 | \amethyst | Sebby: logging in as root directly? |
| 22:27.21 | Sebby | the Debian server sits right under my desk |
| 22:27.29 | Sebby | yes ..directly |
| 22:28.00 | babilen | dondelelcaro: do you know if there is a video of your dc9 talk on the bts available somewhere? |
| 22:28.18 | \amethyst | Sebby: again, does the command alias print anything? |
| 22:28.30 | Sebby | you asked me what happens if i type alias ..it happens nothing ..i get no reply |
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| 22:28.42 | \amethyst | Sebby: hm |
| 22:28.48 | \amethyst | Sebby: what does echo $SHELL say? |
| 22:29.10 | Sebby | it says /bin/bash |
| 22:29.25 | Sebby | i think that is normal |
| 22:29.28 | \amethyst | Sebby: yes |
| 22:29.33 | themill | babilen: that one https://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/436.en.html ? |
| 22:29.35 | \amethyst | Sebby: hm, you don't have a .bash_login do you? |
| 22:29.45 | Sebby | let me check |
| 22:30.02 | \amethyst | Sebby: and could you pastebin root's .bashrc ? |
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| 22:30.45 | themill | babilen: or that one https://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/434.en.html ? |
| 22:30.59 | Sebby | no bash_login in /root |
| 22:31.07 | \amethyst | Sebby: okay, that's good |
| 22:31.12 | Sebby | i`ll pastebin what you talled me |
| 22:31.20 | babilen | themill: the 434 |
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| 22:31.34 | babilen | themill: But I guess that i just found the right server ... |
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| 22:31.40 | themill | babilen: (hint: there are links to the videos on those pages) |
| 22:32.22 | babilen | themill: (I should have allowed javascript) |
| 22:32.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 22:32.35 | themill | really? does it require that? oh dear |
| 22:32.36 | babilen | thanks a lot :) |
| 22:32.40 | themill | np |
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| 22:33.12 | wald0 | it is possible to know the actual timeset (date, hour, etc) of a remote machine without login on it ? |
| 22:33.19 | Sebby | http://pastebin.com/g7HA3esK |
| 22:33.43 | Sebby | i used instand of "auto" "always" and same |
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| 22:34.16 | \amethyst | Sebby: it should be working |
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| 22:34.40 | llrcombs | Hai |
| 22:34.44 | \amethyst | Sebby: but somehow the alias isn't being set, as though .bashrc weren't being sourced |
| 22:34.45 | llrcombs | I need some help with cdrkit |
| 22:34.50 | [M4rk0] | hello |
| 22:34.58 | llrcombs | #include <sys/scdisk.h> |
| 22:35.10 | \amethyst | Sebby: just to verify, does echo $LS_OPTIONS print anything? |
| 22:35.19 | llrcombs | in scsi-aix.c |
| 22:35.23 | [M4rk0] | i have on one debian machine logcheck user at almost 100% CPU usage... what to do... |
| 22:35.24 | llrcombs | that gives an error |
| 22:35.30 | [M4rk0] | 20826 logcheck 30 10 16712 14m 748 R 93.5 1.4 4:20.19 egrep |
| 22:35.33 | llrcombs | because I don't have sys/scdisk.h |
| 22:35.35 | [M4rk0] | 93.5 |
| 22:35.53 | \amethyst | llrcombs: scsi-aix.c is for AIX, not Linux |
| 22:36.26 | \amethyst | llrcombs: somehow it's being built for the wrong OS |
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| 22:37.53 | Elirips | Hello. Is there a program to display the structure of an xml schema graphically in debian? |
| 22:38.27 | [M4rk0] | anyone? |
| 22:38.30 | llrcombs | I just realized that |
| 22:38.34 | llrcombs | it was my mistake :P |
| 22:39.08 | dondelelcaro | babilen: of which one? |
| 22:39.09 | \amethyst | Elirips: xsddiagram maybe? I haven't used it though |
| 22:39.21 | \amethyst | Elirips: assuming by "schema" you mean XSD and not, say, DTD |
| 22:40.27 | Elirips | \amethyst, yes, i mean xsd, sorry for not being clear |
| 22:40.33 | dondelelcaro | babilen: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2009/debconf9/high/986_Drowning_in_Bugs.ogv and http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2009/debconf9/high/997_State_of_the_BTS.ogv |
| 22:40.40 | dondelelcaro | (depending on which one you were looking for) |
| 22:40.59 | Elirips | \amethyst, hm, i cant find any package xsddiagram or something with that description (?) |
| 22:41.09 | Medalgod | hi. can anybody tell me where qmail's config will be after executing #build-ucspi-tcp |
| 22:41.09 | Medalgod | was expecting to find it in /var/qmail, but cannot find it :( |
| 22:41.16 | Elirips | \amethyst, ah, sid. thx |
| 22:41.37 | \amethyst | Elirips: ah, sorry, I didn't think to check whether it was in lenny or squeeze |
| 22:42.26 | wald0 | it is possible to know the actual timeset (date, hour, etc) of a remote machine without login on it ? |
| 22:42.35 | \amethyst | Elirips: it looks like the package should be installable in squeeze, but not lenny |
| 22:42.57 | \amethyst | Elirips: if you are using lenny, it might be possible to do a simple sid backport |
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| 22:43.09 | Medalgod | wald0 a script. e.g. a php page |
| 22:44.01 | \amethyst | wald0: or, if that system has the 'time' service enabled in inetd, telnet hostname time |
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| 22:45.07 | [M4rk0] | can anyone help me logcheck? |
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| 22:47.29 | Elirips | \amethyst, thanks, i'm just looking at the source-package. |
| 22:47.35 | babilen | dondelelcaro: yeah, i managed to find them :) thanks a lot! |
| 22:47.50 | Elirips | \amethyst, didnt know that you can build things that need .NET 2.0 |
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| 22:49.13 | Sebby | \amethyst i made it work |
| 22:49.37 | Sebby | now ls shows me with colors thanks to the alias i added |
| 22:50.09 | Sebby | i aded this alias line in .bashrc alias ls='ls $LS_OPTIONS --color' |
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| 22:51.34 | llrcombs | OK |
| 22:51.35 | llrcombs | back |
| 22:51.39 | llrcombs | new error |
| 22:51.52 | llrcombs | basically, "SCSI" is undefined |
| 22:52.01 | llrcombs | usalo_version(SCSI *usalp, int what) errors |
| 22:52.10 | \amethyst | Sebby: err, that shouldn't have made a difference |
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| 22:52.20 | dondelelcaro | llrcombs: uh... why aren't you just using the Debian wodim packages? |
| 22:52.23 | \amethyst | Sebby: why would one alias be ignored but the other accepted? |
| 22:52.27 | llrcombs | because I'm not on debian |
| 22:52.30 | llrcombs | I was told to come here |
| 22:52.35 | dondelelcaro | llrcombs: by whom? |
| 22:52.48 | llrcombs | ##c |
| 22:52.50 | Sebby | because those alias never refered to --color parameter |
| 22:53.15 | Sebby | you se .. when i used ls --colo showed me dirs and files in colo |
| 22:53.15 | \amethyst | Sebby: but when you typed alias it didn't print anything |
| 22:53.25 | \amethyst | Sebby: that means the aliases weren't even being defined |
| 22:53.25 | dondelelcaro | llrcombs: well, we only support Debian here, unfortunatly. You're missing either some libraries or some include files, or both. Consider talking to whoever distributes the operating system that you're actually using |
| 22:53.41 | llrcombs | I know I'm missing a file |
| 22:53.46 | Sebby | i just added that line when i came from dinner |
| 22:53.57 | llrcombs | I just need to add whatever file defines SCSI |
| 22:54.01 | llrcombs | it's part of cdrkit |
| 22:54.08 | llrcombs | but I dunno which item that is |
| 22:54.09 | dondelelcaro | llrcombs: that's fine, but it's not on topic here. |
| 22:54.19 | llrcombs | I wondered if anyone here happened to know what file it was in |
| 22:54.28 | llrcombs | because cdrkit is a debian project, correct? |
| 22:54.34 | dondelelcaro | llrcombs: no |
| 22:54.45 | llrcombs | OK then |
| 22:54.49 | llrcombs | sorry :) |
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| 22:55.01 | \amethyst | well, cdrkit upstream are debian developers |
| 22:55.06 | Sebby | <\amethyst> annyway thx for trying to help, and if someone else in future has that problem you know the answer now |
| 22:55.12 | dondelelcaro | yes, but it's not a Debian Project... |
| 22:56.03 | poincare201 | hi guys. I'm having some trouble with my new/2nd hand lappy. I just got rid of windows and got debian on it and nothing fullscreen seems to work, no supertux, nothing. What could be going wrong? Is it the drivers? If so, how can I update them? |
| 22:56.29 | \amethyst | llrcombs: there is a #cdrkit on irc.oftc.net, though it appears not too many people are there ATM |
| 22:56.46 | Sebby | other question i have is why when i try to upload something via ftp from my windows xp pc to Debian one (debian acts as router) my upload speed is only up to 530kbps ? |
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| 22:58.00 | Sebby | the ftp cable i use between those 2 PC is 1 metter long only and i have private ips 192.168.10.1 on router and *.2 for XP |
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| 22:58.23 | poincare201 | anyone for my questin/ |
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| 22:58.28 | \amethyst | Sebby: you mentioned FTP uploads... is it just FTP? is it just uploads? |
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| 22:59.23 | Sebby | for the moment i saw that speed for uploads didn`t tested download from router to PC ..if that is what you ask |
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| 23:00.18 | Tortel | has there been any updates for sid over the past few days? |
| 23:00.24 | Tortel | packages |
| 23:00.31 | \amethyst | Sebby: hm... On the Debian machine, install ethtool and then run it on the relevant interface (ethtool eth0 if eth0 is 192.168.10.1) |
| 23:00.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Tortel about ries |
| 23:00.42 | Sebby | i uploaded some movies on the router HDD because i didn`t had free spase on my XP pc (have small HDD`s on bouth ..20GB) |
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| 23:00.50 | \amethyst | Sebby: see what it says about the speed |
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| 23:01.05 | Tortel | themill, thanks |
| 23:01.06 | \amethyst | Sebby: just to make sure it's not in 10 Mbps mode somehow |
| 23:01.28 | Sebby | what ethtool does? |
| 23:01.50 | \amethyst | Sebby: it displays ethernet card settings, including the link speed |
| 23:02.20 | NoCode | I'm trying to install Debian from USB. I copied the boot.img file with dd, but when trying to install, it complains that no kernel modules were found. While trying to install without them, my network card wasn't detected. Which I understand, BUT, how would I load the modules to get my hardware working proper with Debian Squeeze daily build image? |
| 23:02.30 | Sebby | and what is the sintax to show me the speed |
| 23:02.52 | Sebby | never mind |
| 23:03.00 | Sebby | i saw up |
| 23:03.16 | \amethyst | Sebby: you're looking for the line that says "Speed:" |
| 23:03.50 | Sebby | Speed: 100Mb/s |
| 23:03.55 | \amethyst | Sebby: hm |
| 23:04.12 | \amethyst | Sebby: so it's not a link-layer problem. I'm not sure what the problem is, then |
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| 23:07.53 | gottto | write speed to the routers hd maybe |
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| 23:09.31 | \amethyst | gottto: I don't know, 500 kB/s is rather slow for a hard drive |
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| 23:10.17 | gottto | \amethyst: a guess - it might be very old hware... |
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| 23:12.54 | foomor | hey. i am having a problem with setting a locale. generated necessary locale, setted it up after dpkg-reconfigure locales, but it's still shows POSIX at locale output. eventually, when i am going su -, locale turn to the one i need. what should i change to get a proper locale by default on first login? |
| 23:13.26 | dvs | foomor: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:13.54 | foomor | dvs, i told i did it :) |
| 23:14.06 | dvs | puts on his glasses |
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| 23:14.27 | foomor | /etc/default/locale includes locale i need, but still environment's locale is still posix |
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| 23:14.51 | dvs | foomor: have you logged out and back in since? |
| 23:14.57 | foomor | dvs, sure |
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| 23:15.29 | dvs | hmmmm |
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| 23:16.31 | foomor | i am logging via ssh only, probably some issue is near hear |
| 23:16.49 | neuro_damage | how would I enable the firefox extension I'm using for java to turn on the java console? anyone know how to do that? |
| 23:16.52 | foomor | if i am going with su - user from root, it's turning me to a user with proper locale |
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| 23:17.35 | NoCode | rages |
| 23:19.46 | \amethyst | foomor: what about plain su without - ? |
| 23:20.38 | foomor | \amethyst, changing locale to proper anyway |
| 23:20.42 | foomor | i've found a solution |
| 23:21.01 | foomor | setted SendEnv LANG LC_* to client ssh_config |
| 23:21.07 | \amethyst | foomor: check /etc/pam.d/sshd ... does it have a line like "auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale" |
| 23:21.08 | foomor | anyway i don't think it's nice |
| 23:21.27 | \amethyst | foomor: or is maybe your sshd configured not to use PAM? |
| 23:21.33 | foomor | yup |
| 23:21.36 | foomor | no pam |
| 23:21.47 | \amethyst | foomor: that would be why |
| 23:21.48 | foomor | keys only |
| 23:21.55 | foomor | okay, thanks anyway |
| 23:22.07 | \amethyst | foomor: you can turn on PAM and still leave it keys-only |
| 23:22.15 | foomor | i don't care that much about locale on virtual host, just wanted to get known |
| 23:22.20 | \amethyst | foomor: as you have just seen, PAM does more than just authentication |
| 23:22.32 | foomor | i'll try now |
| 23:23.11 | \amethyst | foomor: you'd want to turn of ChallengeResponseAuthentication in addition to PasswordAuthentication |
| 23:23.17 | \amethyst | foomor: s/of/off/ |
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| 23:23.33 | gnat_x | oh jebus. i think that all the mouse issues that i was having had to do with the fact that i was using a -trunk kernel. |
| 23:23.36 | foomor | it's already disable |
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| 23:23.52 | gnat_x | is that something that came with the installer? can i get rid of that? |
| 23:24.10 | dvs | gnat_x: as long as you have a newer kernel installed |
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| 23:24.30 | foomor | \amethyst, woot, great, thanks, man |
| 23:24.43 | anao | hello @all is here a poweruser who uses apt-build for recreate system from sources.. |
| 23:24.52 | foomor | turned on pam, it's still keys only and i am getting proper locale without tunning client ssh |
| 23:25.20 | \amethyst | foomor: yay |
| 23:25.20 | gnat_x | dvs: yeah. i seem to have two kernels. how do i quickly tell which kernel packages that i have installed? |
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| 23:25.54 | dvs | gnat_x: ls /boot |
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| 23:26.24 | gnat_x | heh. i knew it was simple. |
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| 23:27.04 | gnat_x | yeah, it seems that i have vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 and vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 23:27.21 | gnat_x | with the former my pointing devices work. the latter not. |
| 23:27.40 | dvs | gnat_x: which one are you running now? |
| 23:28.04 | gnat_x | -3 |
| 23:28.10 | gnat_x | vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 23:28.19 | dvs | gnat_x: then just remove the -trunk one |
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| 23:28.57 | gnat_x | cool. what does -trunk on a linux image package signify anyway? |
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| 23:29.10 | dvs | gnat_x: a mistake? |
| 23:29.20 | dvs | gnat_x: it shouldn't have made it to testing |
| 23:29.29 | dvs | (or even unstable) |
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| 23:31.36 | gnat_x | good to know. hopefully its been fixed by now. the netinst cd i was using to install from is a few weeks old at this point. |
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| 23:33.05 | gnat_x | man i wish i had figured that out 7 hours ago. |
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| 23:34.53 | neuro_damage | how do I update-alternatives for my browser and the plugins it's using? |
| 23:35.19 | dvs | neuro_damage: update-alternatives --list www-browser |
| 23:36.07 | neuro_damage | /usr/bin/w3m |
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| 23:36.13 | neuro_damage | is what I get back, interesting lol |
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| 23:36.23 | neuro_damage | I thought it was java*plugin or nsplugin or related |
| 23:36.26 | dvs | neuro_damage: yeah, that's weird. So do I. |
| 23:36.40 | \amethyst | 'www-browser' is for a non-graphical browser |
| 23:36.53 | \amethyst | x-www-browser is probably what you're looking for |
| 23:36.54 | themill | x-www-browser |
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| 23:42.18 | babilen | neuro_damage: managed to fix your problem earlier? |
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