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| 00:05.07 | wrex | anybody know of good linux training programs? Â looking for a vendor-neutral program with focus on linux in the enterprise. gotta spend my training budget before fiscal year is up. |
| 00:05.50 | petemc_ | lpi, rhce |
| 00:06.08 | petemc_ | both shit, but hr drone worthy i guess |
| 00:06.26 | f00bar80 | how to let network-manager to manage ppp connection |
| 00:06.31 | petemc_ | oh, rhce isnt vendor neutral, obv |
| 00:06.55 | bkjoe | hmm |
| 00:06.58 | wrex | those are certs tho... |
| 00:07.17 | wrex | i guess they do have their own training programs... |
| 00:07.20 | babilen | f00bar80: are you sure that your device is supported? |
| 00:07.36 | petemc_ | certification is the end result, they can involve training |
| 00:07.42 | babilen | f00bar80: Ask in #nm too |
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| 00:08.25 | f00bar80 | babilen, it's a 3G usb modem which i got it recognized as /dev/ttyUSB2 and got working using pon or wvdial |
| 00:08.26 | Leo | guys |
| 00:08.35 | Leo | iu need a minimal debian distro |
| 00:08.37 | wrex | petemc: yeah, looking for a place to get the training. usually i would use self-study but since i have a bit left in the training budget looking for an on-line course or maybe videos that are good |
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| 00:08.37 | petemc_ | wrex: do you have a local linux user group? throw some money your local gurus way |
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| 00:08.47 | Leo | dont wanna do a minimal instal coz its hard |
| 00:09.12 | babilen | f00bar80: If i remember correctly it was mentioned that 3G is not supported by the nm version in lenny. Have you verified that it does? |
| 00:09.14 | Leo | any1? |
| 00:09.16 | wrex | petemc: checked into it... there is not one within a couple hundred miles |
| 00:09.17 | petemc_ | Leo: its not hard to do a base debian install |
| 00:09.26 | Leo | ok its waaaaaay hard |
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| 00:09.32 | wrex | might have to start my own lug |
| 00:09.32 | Leo | i tried dsl |
| 00:09.35 | Leo | but its old |
| 00:09.40 | Leo | and cant update it |
| 00:09.49 | bioe007 | im stuck trying to get apache2 + perl going here. i have index.cgi (wiht a perl shebang) but its just showing as plaintext |
| 00:10.18 | Leo | any1? |
| 00:10.26 | petemc_ | Leo: it really isnt, it used to be.. |
| 00:10.27 | petemc_ | (hard) |
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| 00:10.44 | f00bar80 | babilen, if it's not, then no way to get vpn connection to be used for this connection as it's not managed by nm and vpn does ? |
| 00:10.48 | petemc_ | bioe007: check apaches mime.conf |
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| 00:10.59 | Leo | i have a very low broadband |
| 00:11.15 | DogBoy | bioe007, look at the docs, it's a common problem and it's mentioned there |
| 00:11.24 | bioe007 | petemc_: sorry, im apache-idiot, where is that? |
| 00:11.39 | petemc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.49 | \amethyst | bioe007: in Debian, /etc/apache2/mods-available/mime.conf |
| 00:12.20 | babilen | f00bar80: You also don't need nm to manage your VPN connection. I told you before that i very much dislike network-mangler and just wanted to make sure that you verified that the version you are using does support your 3G device |
| 00:12.41 | Leo | hey can u help m do a minimal install? |
| 00:12.47 | babilen | f00bar80: If you know that you need a specific version of nm for your device we could work on that. |
| 00:12.53 | babilen | ,versions network-manager |
| 00:12.54 | judd | network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8-1; squeeze: 0.8-1 |
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| 00:13.33 | bioe007 | petemc_: ths mime.conf seems to have only do do with languages (spoken) not coded |
| 00:13.52 | babilen | f00bar80: You could for example install the one from backports. But you *have* to make sure that you indeed need a version >= 0.7 to get it working. |
| 00:14.01 | petemc_ | bioe007: for me to run perl cgis with apache, i have to uncomment the handler line in that file |
| 00:14.33 | bioe007 | petemc_: ah i see |
| 00:14.34 | \amethyst | bioe007: search for cgi in the script; it's near the end |
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| 00:14.43 | bioe007 | sorry i was looking for .pl |
| 00:14.47 | wrex | petemc: thx for the ideas, those two certs were what i have been looking at, i will do some more digging |
| 00:14.54 | f00bar80 | babilen, for now at least then how to get the vpn connection working when i'm using the ppp connection |
| 00:15.13 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: are you trying to get VPN to work over 3g? |
| 00:15.35 | bioe007 | petemc_: well thats progress, now i don't have permission to access index.cgi :D |
| 00:16.13 | valdyn | bioe007: chmod +x index.cgi |
| 00:16.24 | bioe007 | it is |
| 00:16.32 | Leo | how is tinycore? |
| 00:16.36 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, yea |
| 00:16.41 | valdyn | bioe007: cgi are limited to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ by default iirc |
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| 00:16.50 | Leo | ? |
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| 00:17.13 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: you pretty much *have* to use a VPN that is UDP... and its going to be slow due to latency issues with 3g |
| 00:17.44 | valdyn | bioe007: look at your enabled site in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 00:17.46 | Leo | guys is tiny core able to install apps? |
| 00:17.47 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: it will really difficult to use for things that are interactive |
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| 00:18.34 | bioe007 | valdyn: there are 2 files there, 000-default and default-ssl |
| 00:18.52 | valdyn | bioe007: read the docs please |
| 00:19.00 | valdyn | bioe007: this is 2 sites that are enabled |
| 00:19.07 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, ok how , i found this but don't know it's gonna to work or not https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient#Manually%20configuring%20your%20connection |
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| 00:20.07 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: PPTP uses TCP and that did not work out well in my testing |
| 00:20.43 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, so what do you think ? |
| 00:20.44 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: I tested openvpn TCP vs UDP over a 3g carrier and the differense was not usable vs partially usable |
| 00:20.52 | Titan8990 | difference |
| 00:20.52 | valdyn | Titan8990: pptp does not use tcp |
| 00:21.01 | valdyn | Titan8990: or does not just use tcp |
| 00:21.29 | Titan8990 | valdyn: says that it does in the first sentance of its wikipedia article |
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| 00:21.43 | valdyn | Titan8990: most of it is gre |
| 00:21.59 | bikcmp | Hey everyone, Does anyone know of a way to sync directories on a server? |
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| 00:22.16 | bikcmp | I want /var/www to be in sync on some servers, I don't know of a tool that can do this though |
| 00:22.29 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: give it a test, gre is stateless like udp |
| 00:22.32 | straw | bikcmp: rsync |
| 00:22.33 | babilen | bikcmp: rsync |
| 00:23.09 | bikcmp | Oh, I'll look it up, thanks. |
| 00:23.17 | bikcmp | Bandwidth efficant? |
| 00:23.35 | straw | bikcmp: it uses ssh |
| 00:23.39 | Leo | hello¿? |
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| 00:23.54 | wald0 | it is possible to "mount" a directory inside other but that doesn't replace but simply "add" contents ? |
| 00:24.01 | petemc_ | bikcmp: theres also unison |
| 00:24.05 | bikcmp | shahri: Hrm... How would I get it to simply sync /var/www |
| 00:24.12 | valdyn | wald0: theres a special filesystem for that |
| 00:24.18 | bikcmp | unison looks good petemc_ |
| 00:24.20 | bikcmp | I'll look |
| 00:24.27 | wald0 | valdyn: union filesystems ? |
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| 00:24.59 | valdyn | wald0: yea |
| 00:25.26 | wald0 | valdyn: sounds good... im just a bit worried about the stability for that, but i think that im not going to do much things that will made it unstable |
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| 00:25.32 | valdyn | http://www.filesystems.org/project-unionfs.html |
| 00:25.46 | valdyn | wald0: live cds typically is it I think |
| 00:25.52 | valdyn | wald0: live cds typically *use* it I think |
| 00:26.36 | wald0 | valdyn: yes of course, but is not very stable (a lot more than years ago), im just worried about the sanity of my data |
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| 00:29.41 | bikcmp | Okay, great, unison is made, now how would I use it? |
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| 00:30.10 | babilen | bikcmp: "man unison" |
| 00:30.32 | Titan8990 | its not completely deprecated? |
| 00:30.37 | Titan8990 | judd: versions unison |
| 00:30.39 | judd | unison -- etch: 2.13.16-5; etch-backports: 2.27.57-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.27.57-1+b1; sid: 2.32.52-1; squeeze: 2.32.52-1 |
| 00:30.40 | bikcmp | Whoa, actually, no, it didn't make |
| 00:30.42 | bikcmp | /bin/sh: etags: command not found |
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| 00:35.11 | straw | bikcmp: what about using the repo? |
| 00:35.40 | bikcmp | straw: hm? |
| 00:35.52 | straw | sudo aptitude install unison |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | straw: this is not ubuntu |
| 00:36.03 | wald0 | is there a way to know if anything on my filesystem links to the foo directory ? |
| 00:36.28 | straw | abrotman: What do you mean? |
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| 00:36.38 | bikcmp | Whoa. |
| 00:36.38 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, how to stop network manager using /etc/init.d |
| 00:36.39 | bikcmp | FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | not everyone uses sudo |
| 00:37.09 | straw | Oh, ok. su -c 'aptitude install unison' |
| 00:37.20 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: once or always? |
| 00:37.43 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, once |
| 00:37.57 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: how do you stop other services? |
| 00:38.00 | wald0 | i think that is not possible |
| 00:38.44 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, k got it thanks |
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| 00:41.18 | Titan8990 | wald0: google turned up some simple scripts that just search the filesystem |
| 00:41.24 | Is_907 | so i'm running Squeeze and have a mobo with a realtek integrated audio chip... realtek alc1200... output works fine but when i plug a mic in (front panel or back mic jack) i can never record/capture sound. if i talk/blow into the headset mic i can hear it on my speakers, i can control the volume in kmix or alsamixer, but i can never record anything in audacity or any other app. any ideas? |
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| 00:43.29 | Caelum | how do I get the previous version of a package in sid? |
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| 00:46.56 | Caelum | there was an old package archive somewhere... |
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| 00:53.47 | dkr | archive.debian.org? |
| 00:54.37 | Caelum | found snapshot.debian.net, but it doesn't have the complete history :( |
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| 00:57.01 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: what packages are you looking for? |
| 00:57.15 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: the iceweasel in sid one version back from current |
| 00:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: unfortunatly, you won't be able to find that one |
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| 00:59.12 | Caelum | :( |
| 00:59.25 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: the current version crashes half the time I close a tab |
| 00:59.37 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: you *may* be able to resurect it using the repository here: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mozilla/iceweasel.git |
| 01:00.11 | dondelelcaro | (that said, we should have a working snapshot.debian.org soon with archival versions of all of the packages; procuring the hardware to do that reliably has just been a problem) |
| 01:00.24 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: cool :) |
| 01:00.52 | \amethyst | Caelum: I have two versions back (3.5.6-1; last version before 3.5.8-1 was 3.5.6-2) lying in my apt cache |
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| 01:01.52 | Caelum | \amethyst: ooh, i386? any chance I could get a copy? |
| 01:02.06 | \amethyst | Caelum: sec |
| 01:02.36 | \amethyst | Caelum: * New upstream release. |
| 01:02.36 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.36 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.43 | \amethyst | Caelum: oops, wrong copy/paste |
| 01:02.51 | \amethyst | Caelum: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/iceweasel_3.5.6-1_i386.deb |
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| 01:05.32 | \amethyst | Caelum: there may be something relevant |
| 01:05.59 | \amethyst | Caelum: First thing to do would probably be disable plugins to make sure they're not what's causing the crash |
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| 01:08.33 | tarkaram | I am trying to get my linksys wireless usb on my debian machine. On searching I got to http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com but I am not able to figure out how to install the drivers |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 01:11.54 | olde | lenny .04 |
| 01:13.18 | tarkaram | abrotman: its Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | tarkaram: what is the actual device ? |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | tarkaram: pci? usb? |
| 01:14.00 | tarkaram | usb |
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| 01:14.14 | tarkaram | Linksys WUSB54GC |
| 01:14.24 | Psi-Jack- | Just out of curiosity... Does anyone know if it's reasonably possible to install Debian Lenny 64bit in Citrix XenServer, without using qemu full virtualization? |
| 01:14.38 | tarkaram | abrotman: 1737:0077 |
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| 01:14.46 | abrotman | !tell tarkaram about rt73 |
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| 01:18.11 | nsadmin | Psi-Jack-: do you now have some linux guests in the citrix? |
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| 01:18.31 | Psi-Jack- | nsadmin: I have a qemuized Debian Lenny 64bit presently, yes. |
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| 01:18.44 | Psi-Jack- | But, obviously under qemu, it's not paravirtualized like I'd want. |
| 01:18.46 | nsadmin | what if you use debootstrap? |
| 01:19.07 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys that run KVM and esxi can tell me speed wise which one is faster? |
| 01:19.17 | Psi-Jack- | Citrix... Recommends jigdo? But only 32bit installations. |
| 01:19.47 | Psi-Jack- | SuperMiguel: ESXi, hands down. kvm IMHO, kinda sucks. |
| 01:20.03 | Psi-Jack- | Paravirtualization will always be faster than full virtualization like kvm does. |
| 01:20.28 | SuperMiguel | esxi/esx are the onle paravirualizators? |
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| 01:20.32 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure that if you can run debootstrap at all, you can get any arch installed... then the question is will it run |
| 01:20.45 | Psi-Jack- | nsadmin: heh. |
| 01:20.55 | Psi-Jack- | Yeah. Exactly. ;) |
| 01:21.08 | dondelelcaro | if you can run the second stage of debootstrap, the arch will run |
| 01:21.16 | Psi-Jack- | I'm mostly just playing with XenServer, because it gives me a REALLY nice grasp as to what Xen is really capable of, easily. |
| 01:21.52 | SuperMiguel | Psi-Jack-, how is xenserver compared with esxi? |
| 01:22.05 | Psi-Jack- | I'm just not sure how "free" their free license is. The license I installed expires in 12 months. |
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| 01:22.15 | Psi-Jack- | SuperMiguel: It's fantastic! And free. |
| 01:22.26 | Psi-Jack- | For at least 12 months. LOL |
| 01:22.52 | SuperMiguel | is xenserver considered Paravirtualization ? |
| 01:22.56 | Psi-Jack- | Of course. |
| 01:23.04 | nsadmin | you can install xen-linux-system-(version) |
| 01:23.05 | Psi-Jack- | If you use Xen domU's. |
| 01:23.18 | Psi-Jack- | XenServer also does qemu, which is full virtualization. |
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| 01:23.53 | Psi-Jack- | And of course, Debian has the Xen Hypervisor in it. |
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| 01:24.10 | OceanSpray | I installed xorg and xmonad, |
| 01:24.15 | Psi-Jack- | Only Xen 3.2, and no pygrub, but functional. |
| 01:24.20 | OceanSpray | put 'exec xmonad' in my xinitrc, |
| 01:24.20 | SuperMiguel | to manage xenserver you use windows? client side? or they are nice enough to give support to other os? |
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| 01:24.33 | OceanSpray | but startx gives me a black screen, |
| 01:24.37 | straw_ | OceanSpray: Write longer lines, so people can follow. |
| 01:24.37 | OceanSpray | while the error says: |
| 01:24.41 | Psi-Jack- | SuperMiguel: You can manage it locally, remotely, or by Windows XenCenter. |
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| 01:24.53 | OceanSpray | FATAL: module fbcon not found. |
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| 01:25.45 | tarkaram | abrotman: once I install those package, do I have to update my /etc/network/interfaces to activate the wirless ? |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | tarkaram: probably |
| 01:26.01 | Psi-Jack- | Right now, so far, with Ubuntu and RedHat going with KVM for virtualization methods, XenServer, Debian, and OpenSUSE with Xen. heh |
| 01:26.08 | tarkaram | abrotman: Thanks ! |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | throws a snowball at pseubodot |
| 01:26.12 | OceanSpray | also, (EE) preinit returned NULL for synps2/synaptics touchpad |
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| 01:27.33 | nsadmin | OceanSpray: I guess you should pastebin your log and your config if nonempty |
| 01:27.44 | nervoustwitch | where can i find a lowmem iso at? |
| 01:28.01 | olde | why would evolution need root pass to send and receive on one box, and not on the other? How do I set it up to do mail for a user? |
| 01:28.16 | OceanSpray | okay, hold on. |
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| 01:28.38 | abrotman | nervoustwitch: how much RAM do you have ? |
| 01:28.46 | nervoustwitch | 64meg |
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| 01:29.30 | abrotman | nervoustwitch: the regular installer will work fine |
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| 01:30.05 | nervoustwitch | keeps killing a bunch of processes and crashing |
| 01:31.08 | nervoustwitch | : kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8) killing |
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| 01:32.54 | abrotman | or don't wait around |
| 01:33.10 | nvz | heh |
| 01:33.15 | nvz | I hate it when people do that |
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| 01:34.50 | nvz | I do it sometimes in other channels though, as most other channels I visit on freenode arent as lively as #d and I usually solve my problem before someone gets around to answering |
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| 01:35.30 | nvz | though I've been around long enough to knnow better than to sit around holding my breath waiting for someone else to solve my problems |
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| 01:57.13 | wolfric | i have an odd problem... some applications when i click to open them... the little timer goes around for a while and the "starting app" etc comes up and then nothing.... |
| 01:57.31 | wolfric | the most recent i've seen are the partition editor and the synaptic package manager |
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| 01:57.50 | wolfric | other things open fine such as the terminal and browser(iceweasel/firefox) |
| 01:59.53 | stian79 | Are you using stable, testing or sid? |
| 02:00.08 | wolfric | stable i assume |
| 02:00.25 | wolfric | it's debian gnu?linux 5.0.4 |
| 02:00.33 | wolfric | gnu/linux* |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | wolfric: and if you run it from an xterm ? |
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| 02:01.17 | qt-x | hy all |
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| 02:01.31 | wolfric | abrotman: i'm unfamiliar with xterm |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | gnome-terminal ? |
| 02:01.50 | wolfric | yeah it works fine |
| 02:02.14 | wolfric | root terminal on the other hand doesn't |
| 02:02.22 | wolfric | although i just su root in the normal terminal |
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| 02:03.25 | qt-x | how do i make a nice clean apt source list |
| 02:03.26 | qt-x | ? |
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| 02:09.17 | wolfric | abrotman any ideas no? |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | don't use su ? |
| 02:10.31 | wolfric | what? |
| 02:10.57 | wolfric | is add/remove applications supposed to replace it by any chance? |
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| 02:12.28 | \amethyst | wolfric: what happens when you run gksu xterm from a terminal? |
| 02:13.08 | wolfric | another terminal pops up |
| 02:13.16 | \amethyst | wolfric: a root terminal? |
| 02:13.39 | wolfric | tried to connect to session manager authentication rejected: reason non of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentation failed |
| 02:13.50 | wolfric | no |
| 02:13.56 | wolfric | so no* not root terminal |
| 02:14.01 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 02:14.05 | \amethyst | where did that error come from? |
| 02:14.11 | wolfric | the terminal |
| 02:14.14 | \amethyst | which? |
| 02:14.20 | wolfric | the first one i opened up to write that in |
| 02:14.34 | wolfric | which spat that out and spawned xterm using regular user not root |
| 02:14.50 | \amethyst | hm |
| 02:14.55 | wolfric | oh wait no it is in root i just did a whoami |
| 02:15.03 | wolfric | sorry |
| 02:15.28 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 02:17.14 | qt-x | wolfric what are you tryng to do ? |
| 02:17.35 | wolfric | some things aren't opening such as partition editor and synaptic package manager |
| 02:18.35 | esaym153 | how do I update whether a program in init.d starts at run time or not? debian-testing |
| 02:19.05 | petemc_ | invokde-rc.d , update-rc.d |
| 02:19.09 | petemc_ | or rm |
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| 02:19.31 | Arrowmaster | partition editor and package manager sound like things that would normally get started as root |
| 02:19.43 | qt-x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:19.56 | olde | anyone give me a tip on evolution priviledges please? Lenny .04 |
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| 02:20.34 | wolfric | su-to-root? |
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| 02:20.46 | qt-x | yup |
| 02:20.48 | wolfric | is that an actual command? |
| 02:20.52 | qt-x | yup |
| 02:20.55 | Titan8990 | wolfric: I just had to look it up... in a package for x window menus called "menu" |
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| 02:21.39 | wolfric | no protocol specified \n(synaptic:19342): Gtk_WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 02:21.58 | Titan8990 | wolfric: do you have a gui running? |
| 02:22.08 | wolfric | ah hold on i logged in as root and then did it and it worked |
| 02:22.15 | esaym153 | petemc_: something changed recently: user@user:~$ sudo update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
| 02:22.19 | esaym153 | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 02:22.20 | andrew1618 | when I do a apt-get update I get the following error msg: W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 02:22.46 | wolfric | that shouldn't normally be required though should it? Titan8990: gnome |
| 02:23.13 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:23.15 | petemc_ | esaym153: i will admit to not being at the forefront |
| 02:23.35 | esaym153 | petemc_: me either :-/ |
| 02:23.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont have synaptic installed but i just checked gparted, the menu file uses su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/gparted and the desktop file uses gksu /usr/sbin/gparted |
| 02:24.08 | olde | how do i stop evolution asking for a root pass before it will send or receive emails? |
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| 02:25.09 | andrew1618 | Titan8990: is there a way to do that via command line? |
| 02:25.17 | Arrowmaster | esaym153: try reading up on insserv it took over update-rc.d |
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| 02:26.06 | Arrowmaster | andrew1618: theres a package named pastebinit that does it |
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| 02:27.33 | nervoustwitch | second try with regular installer no good where can i get a lowmem iso? |
| 02:27.41 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | there isn't one .. read the install manual to see if there is an option (i think there isP) |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | nervoustwitch: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en#installer-args .. learn to read |
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| 02:31.53 | andrew1618 | Titan8990, didnt work |
| 02:32.15 | Titan8990 | !didn't work |
| 02:32.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 02:32.21 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: errors please |
| 02:33.46 | andrew1618 | titan8990, it just gives me pastebin.com |
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| 02:36.31 | qt-x | !errors |
| 02:36.31 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 02:36.33 | andrew1618 | Titan8990, I did it manually http://www.pastebin.org/128280 |
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| 02:37.37 | qt-x | !smart questions |
| 02:37.37 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | andrew1618: seriously? |
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| 02:38.09 | abrotman | andrew1618: what the heck are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:38.17 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: you shouldn't try to mix releases, and if you were to do it, that is not the right way |
| 02:38.39 | wald0 | OT: is there any plans to move UID to UUID or even the "name" ? im tired to do tricks with UID permissions when importing/exporting data along computers |
| 02:38.50 | qt-x | !reportbug |
| 02:38.50 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | qt-x: msg the bot |
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| 02:40.00 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: the obvious solution is to remove "testing" and "unstable" |
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| 02:40.23 | Solifugus | "apt-cache search virtualbox" shows a lot of things.. I don't know which I need to install virtualbox.. how can I figure out which I need to install? |
| 02:40.30 | qt-x | msg ? |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | qt-x: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 02:40.58 | andrew1618 | thankyou, and abrotman im fairly new to debian, still learning the ropes, and so much to learn |
| 02:41.06 | Titan8990 | Solifugus: imo, single upstream package |
| 02:41.18 | Titan8990 | Solifugus: unless you were wanting to use the OSE |
| 02:41.38 | andrew1618 | an apt-get update will update the system yes? |
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| 02:42.02 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: yes, but you should use aptitude. aptitude update |
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| 02:42.18 | Solifugus | Titan8990: I want to install it with the gui, so I can run a bunch of VMs.. |
| 02:42.27 | Solifugus | not sure what ose stands for |
| 02:42.43 | Arrowmaster | open source edition |
| 02:42.44 | Titan8990 | Solifugus: open source edition |
| 02:42.51 | Arrowmaster | no RDP and no USB |
| 02:42.52 | qt-x | abrotman now i get it :) |
| 02:42.53 | olde | how do i stop evolution asking for a root pass before it will send or |
| 02:42.57 | olde | +receive emails? |
| 02:43.09 | Solifugus | ok.. yeah.. sure.. but I know ose support RDP.. |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | olde: stop running it as root |
| 02:43.32 | Titan8990 | that is probably your gnome-keyring password or w/e it is |
| 02:43.38 | Solifugus | Titan8990: So how can I know which one to install? of all the stuff listed by "apt-cache search virtualbox" ? |
| 02:43.55 | olde | abrotman: it's being run from a user account |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | olde: ps aux | grep evolution .. who is running it? |
| 02:44.23 | Arrowmaster | Solifugus: virtualbox and virtualbox-qt should be all you need i think, everything else needed should get pulled in automatically |
| 02:44.24 | Titan8990 | Solifugus: upstream means that I was recommending you get it from http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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| 02:44.40 | olde | abrotman: i'll go boot the box up and find out |
| 02:44.42 | Solifugus | Titan8990: ah.. ok.. I will check there.. thanks |
| 02:45.08 | Arrowmaster | Titan8990: have you run debian inside non ose version? |
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| 02:45.25 | Titan8990 | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 02:45.52 | maxagaz | is there a command line to check the Upload and the Download traffic speed on my eth0 ? |
| 02:45.56 | Arrowmaster | you have to install the guest extensions using their script dont you? no package for them like the ose has? |
| 02:46.04 | Titan8990 | maxagaz: iftop |
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| 02:46.27 | Solifugus | dumb question: how can i find out what version of debian I installed? |
| 02:46.35 | Titan8990 | Arrowmaster: yes, you have to mount an ISO in the guest |
| 02:46.36 | Solifugus | as in, lenny or etch? |
| 02:46.46 | Ralph | http://www.wagerchief.net is a good sports betting site |
| 02:46.52 | Titan8990 | !version |
| 02:46.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 02:47.24 | Ralph | www.wagerchief.net is a good sports betting site |
| 02:47.45 | esaym153 | hmm I just installed grub2 in squeeze and it looks like it failed to boot the kernel and it luckily fell back to the old grub and booted, what should I do? |
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| 02:48.14 | Solifugus | ok... 5.0.4 -- so that's lenny, I believe |
| 02:48.16 | Titan8990 | !ops Ralph is a spammer |
| 02:48.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: Ralph is a spammer |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | Ralph: go away |
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| 02:48.59 | abrotman | was hoping staff would do that ... |
| 02:49.04 | esaym153 | I see, it had md0 as the root, when it should be /boot |
| 02:49.18 | mentor | Well, they still can |
| 02:49.20 | mentor | :/ |
| 02:49.23 | abrotman | i know |
| 02:49.33 | andrew1618 | titan8990, why aptitude? |
| 02:49.36 | olde | abrotman: it all points to the user name, no sign of root in the response to that grep |
| 02:49.40 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 02:49.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | points to ? |
| 02:50.23 | andrew1618 | Titan8990, ty very much |
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| 02:52.52 | andrew1618 | titan8990, why the heck is aptitude update running through yet 'update manager' in the gnome taskbar is saying there are updates still then I run it and it installs two updates. |
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| 02:53.01 | olde | abrotman: points as in its response to ps aux | grep evolution is a series of lines 5 of which begin with the users name, no sign of root in any of its reponses |
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| 02:53.34 | abrotman | olde: try to create a new user, see if it's the same issue? also "dpkg -l evolution" what is the version string ? |
| 02:53.56 | olde | abrotman, ok, will do that, thanks |
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| 02:54.58 | olde | abrotman: version 2.22.3.1-1 |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | judd: versions evolutoin |
| 02:55.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'evolutoin' was found. |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | judd: versions evolution |
| 02:55.25 | judd | evolution -- etch: 2.6.3-6etch2; etch-security: 2.6.3-6etch2; lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.28.2-3; sid: 2.28.3-1; experimental: 2.29.92.1-1 |
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| 02:55.28 | abrotman | judd: it was a typo |
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| 02:56.17 | andrew1618 | Titan8990, is that 'update manager' a frontend to aptitude? |
| 02:57.01 | rares | how do I get fm tuner audio from the tuner to the sound card without cables |
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| 02:58.08 | Titan8990 | andrew1618: np |
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| 03:01.09 | qt-x | how do i insert somebody name in chat followed by ':' fast ? |
| 03:01.33 | ngomes | what client u use ? |
| 03:01.47 | qt-x | webchat.freenode.net |
| 03:01.59 | ngomes | lol , good luck |
| 03:02.04 | ngomes | try a decent chat |
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| 03:02.35 | abrotman | qt-x: abr<tab> |
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| 03:03.42 | ngomes | abrotman, he wants something like " abrotman : " |
| 03:03.49 | abrotman | i know |
| 03:03.57 | qt-x | abrotman: 10x |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | he wants tab complete |
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| 03:04.07 | ngomes | how , its the default |
| 03:04.09 | ngomes | ok |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | ngomes: unless you're manually typing that , |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | ngomes: in xchat it's the default ? |
| 03:04.23 | ngomes | no , its ", " |
| 03:04.26 | qt-x | i did not know that chats had that :D |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 03:04.51 | ngomes | s/how/oh/ |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | ngomes: you can change it for certain clients, i know xchat can |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | i know irssi can |
| 03:05.43 | ngomes | yes, xchat can |
| 03:06.24 | ngomes | im not sure , but oldest versions of xchat used to use ":" as default |
| 03:06.34 | ngomes | for the little i remember |
| 03:07.21 | olde | abrotman: no change, the default keyring is still locked to it until i type in the root pass |
| 03:07.24 | abrotman | prefers : |
| 03:07.31 | abrotman | olde: this makes zero sense .. |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | unless your mail setup is weird |
| 03:07.54 | tarkaram | abrotman: you were helping me a lil while ago with my usb wireless adapter, I noticed that my debian install has rt2x00 module and few others.. but for some reason it doesnt detect my wireless car |
| 03:07.59 | tarkaram | s/car/card |
| 03:08.10 | abrotman | rt73 ? |
| 03:08.10 | olde | at least it's not just me that's confused by its behaviour, i feel better now |
| 03:08.15 | abrotman | !rt73 |
| 03:08.15 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 03:08.16 | ngomes | actually , i prefer "," as it trys do make part of the speech , more standard |
| 03:08.32 | qt-x | olde: do you made som doification to evolution files using root ? |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | ngomes: as you may have noticed .. i talk funny :) |
| 03:08.57 | ngomes | :-) i didnt, yet |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:09.17 | olde | qt-x : no, i just set the box up for my daughter the same as i set mine up, and yet its behaviour is different |
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| 03:09.42 | tarkaram | abrotman: I didnt quite understand "Firmware is required", I just checked and I have the rt73usb module too |
| 03:10.17 | ngomes | tarkaram, check what filename does the driver request |
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| 03:10.43 | ngomes | p54pci used to request isl3886 then changed to isl3886pci ... might be the case |
| 03:10.46 | tarkaram | ngomes: how do I do that ? forgive my ignorance here.. |
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| 03:11.11 | ngomes | tarkaram, remove module and modprobe it ... then check dmesg for msgs / errors |
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| 03:14.42 | qt-x | olde: did you restrict some privileges for the user that use the mail client ? |
| 03:15.04 | tarkaram | ngomes: I removed the module, unplugged and usb adapter and plugged it back in and this is what I found in dmesg |
| 03:15.11 | tarkaram | [ 4371.714435] usbcore: deregistering interface driver rt73usb |
| 03:15.11 | tarkaram | [ 4380.409365] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 4 |
| 03:15.11 | tarkaram | [ 4382.407431] usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
| 03:15.11 | tarkaram | [ 4382.555918] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 03:15.11 | tarkaram | [ 4382.558502] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=1737, idProduct=0077 |
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| 03:15.51 | ngomes | tarkaram, www.pastebin.com |
| 03:16.05 | tarkaram | sorry about that |
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| 03:17.11 | olde | qt-x: no, in fact i've opened up just about every priviledge i can think of, including modems, fax etc and still it prompts for the root pass |
| 03:17.45 | tarkaram | http://pastebin.com/ZRRNc2rD |
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| 03:18.54 | ngomes | tarkaram, it does not complain about the firmware ... where did u get that message ? |
| 03:19.04 | tarkaram | dmesg |
| 03:19.14 | ngomes | no |
| 03:19.25 | ngomes | the "firmware is required" message |
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| 03:21.31 | tarkaram | that was from dpkg ( I believe abrotman asked dpkg to send me a message about rt73usb) |
| 03:22.19 | ngomes | tarkaram, ifconfig -a , does it give any other device than eth0 ( should be your ethernet ) ? |
| 03:22.27 | ngomes | other that lo |
| 03:22.50 | tarkaram | I just get lo and eth0 |
| 03:23.02 | ngomes | modprobe rt73usb then |
| 03:23.07 | ngomes | and paste dmesg |
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| 03:23.51 | tarkaram | http://pastebin.com/5HD1dCSe |
| 03:24.11 | ngomes | no new interface on ifconfig -a ? |
| 03:24.15 | tarkaram | just a new line stating that rt73usb has been registered |
| 03:24.26 | tarkaram | nope.. |
| 03:24.32 | tarkaram | still lo and eth0 |
| 03:24.44 | ngomes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.51 | ngomes | where did u get this message then ? |
| 03:25.08 | ngomes | cause the place to complain about missing firmware is dmesg |
| 03:25.35 | tarkaram | http://pastebin.com/sgJR5prQ |
| 03:26.12 | olde | abrotman: the issue doesn't exist for the newly created user, evolution does not request access to the keyring |
| 03:26.52 | tarkaram | I was trying to interpret that message that I got from dpkg and I was asking abrotman what 'firmware is required' meant |
| 03:28.07 | ngomes | tarkaram, aptitude install firmware-ralink |
| 03:28.13 | ngomes | the firmware is in this package |
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| 03:29.32 | tarkaram | ngomes: did that, not actually installed |
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| 03:29.38 | esaym153 | anyone here good with grub2? I just updated from grub to grub2. my old menu.lst had hd0,1 as the boot device, and now the new grug.cfg file have md0 as the boot device and it is not booting |
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| 03:29.45 | ngomes | tarkaram, it is now ? |
| 03:30.05 | tarkaram | it says I already have the latest version |
| 03:30.49 | ngomes | are u sure , this is the correct driver ? |
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| 03:30.58 | ngomes | for your hardware |
| 03:31.42 | wols_ | esaym153: grub itself is starting? only when you try to start debian it barfs? |
| 03:32.16 | esaym153 | wols_: grub2 tries to start but fails and it falls back to grub1 and boots |
| 03:32.33 | esaym153 | hmm, let me reboot again and see if I can get more info |
| 03:32.36 | wols_ | then you installed it somehow wrongly. there should be no grub1 anymore |
| 03:33.03 | wols_ | tarkaram: did oyu install the rt73 firmware? |
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| 03:33.53 | tarkaram | wols_ : can you let me know how to do that |
| 03:35.04 | ngomes | tarkaram, idVendor=1737, idProduct=0077 is your id's card ... its not listen in supported hardware ... |
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| 03:36.57 | esaym153 | wols_: well by default it some how chainloads into grub1 |
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| 03:38.01 | esaym153 | wols_: what happens is when it boots I get a screen that says grub to and it sits there for awhile, then it displays "fd0 not found" and the it goes to the regular grub looking screen, waits 5 seconds and then boots. Does this main that grub 2 is working or not? |
| 03:38.30 | esaym153 | I still have to run the upgrade-from-grub-legacy command, but I am scared :s |
| 03:39.03 | Lemonator | where do I set the modules to load on startup? |
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| 03:40.54 | wols_ | Lemonator: usually that happens automatically. anything that's not loading? |
| 03:41.10 | wols_ | esaym153: esaym153 it is sorta working but not as it should |
| 03:41.33 | wols_ | esaym153: whas grub1 installed in /dev/sda1 or such? |
| 03:41.49 | esaym153 | I have raid5 on 3 disks, with separate raid1 /boot of the 3 disks |
| 03:41.52 | wols_ | Lemonator: you can load stuff via /etc/modules too tho |
| 03:41.52 | ngomes | Lemonator, u can use /etc/rc.local |
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| 03:42.10 | wols_ | esaym153: there is no raid support at all for grub1. so no raid |
| 03:42.14 | wols_ | so no raid1 that is |
| 03:42.23 | wols_ | ngomes: bad choice |
| 03:42.48 | ngomes | wols_, it works anyway . modules are loaded later |
| 03:42.55 | esaym153 | wols_: yes boot was on md0 which is 3 disk mirror. so for grub1 I used hd(0,1) as root, and it worked |
| 03:43.05 | esaym153 | now it seems grub2 is using md0 for the root |
| 03:43.12 | Lemonator | okay |
| 03:43.21 | wols_ | grub can do that. one of the main improvements is raid support |
| 03:43.56 | esaym153 | wols_: yes but how do I verifiy all this is working before I run the final "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" |
| 03:44.02 | Lemonator | how do I edit the menu items in grub? |
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| 03:44.24 | bobo_b | hi |
| 03:44.25 | wols_ | by checking grub.cf and keeping a bootdisk handy |
| 03:44.35 | wols_ | Lemonator: which grub version? |
| 03:44.42 | Lemonator | also, dist-upgrade resulted in two 2.6.32 kernels |
| 03:44.44 | Lemonator | what's up with that? |
| 03:44.47 | Lemonator | grub 0.97 |
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| 03:45.05 | esaym153 | wols_: how do I make a boot disk? |
| 03:45.11 | bobo_b | so, with many servers on the net, for each of them there are a lot of concerns: is it up to date, was there an intrusion attempt, are the resources doing alright, ... . but what i want as an administrator is basically the answer to the question "is the machine (most probably) doing alright?" what are most people using for this? i just can't believe that everbody is setting up some self made solution or even checking all machines by hand... |
| 03:45.12 | wols_ | Lemonator: you edit menu.lst but NOT the stuff marked not to edit! |
| 03:45.14 | Lemonator | wait |
| 03:45.24 | wols_ | esaym153: do you have a debian cd? and can boot frm CD? |
| 03:45.25 | Lemonator | grub version 1.98-1 |
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| 03:45.42 | esaym153 | wols_: oh so just select boot from harddrive? |
| 03:45.42 | Lemonator | there's a whole bunch of stuff in /boot/grub |
| 03:45.48 | Lemonator | there's no menu.lst file. |
| 03:45.56 | wols_ | Lemonator: /etc/grub.d/ |
| 03:46.01 | wols_ | Lemonator: cause you lied about the version |
| 03:46.15 | wols_ | esaym153: obviously no |
| 03:46.18 | wols_ | !rescue |
| 03:46.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
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| 03:46.21 | Lemonator | didn't lie |
| 03:46.26 | Lemonator | really thought I had 0.97 |
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| 03:47.33 | Lemonator | uh... |
| 03:48.13 | Lemonator | there's 00_header, 05_debian_theme, 10_linux, 30_os-prober, 30_otheros, 40_custom, and README |
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| 03:50.25 | esaym153 | wols_: what command do I run when I modify stuff in /etc/grub* ? |
| 03:50.42 | wols_ | esaym153: update-grub |
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| 04:02.45 | hesco | what package provides pg_config, please? |
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| 04:04.19 | Devastator | hesco have you checked packages.debian.org |
| 04:04.20 | Devastator | ? |
| 04:04.25 | esaym153 | wols_: yea I don't know: http://pastie.org/894687 |
| 04:04.35 | esaym153 | looks like it is hosed? |
| 04:05.00 | hesco | thanks, just did. It looks like I may need: libpq-dev |
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| 04:47.41 | Solifugus | How can I tell debian lenny to get a new ip address via dhcp? |
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| 04:49.11 | Solifugus | google keeps giving me how to setup a dhcp server.. |
| 04:49.16 | esaym153 | Solifugus: a different ip?? change the mac address on the nic... |
| 04:49.46 | esaym153 | dhcp points ip's to mac's |
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| 04:50.18 | Solifugus | i am not getting any ip address when booting.. so i need the command to get an address on eth0 |
| 04:50.26 | esaym153 | oh |
| 04:50.30 | esaym153 | dhclient eth0 |
| 04:50.48 | esaym153 | and maybe ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:52.10 | Solifugus | that's it.. thanks! |
| 04:52.21 | wols | Solifugus: you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces then. man interfaces |
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| 04:58.15 | Solifugus | yes.. it appears debian no longer even thinks it has an eth0 interface.. |
| 04:59.54 | Solifugus | ifconfig eth0 up --> says error getting interface flags.. no such device |
| 05:00.10 | Solifugus | but it is setup in /etc/networking/interfaces (and for dhcp) |
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| 05:02.12 | Lare | Solifugus: cat /proc/net/dev |
| 05:02.37 | Lare | there is listed all interfaces that debian thinks there is |
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| 05:04.17 | Solifugus | i c.. in /proc/net/dev, there is no eth0 but it's listed as eth1.. I did a dhclient on that and it worked. |
| 05:04.20 | joshteam | how can i see what is on port 8080? |
| 05:04.35 | Solifugus | so, i guess i need to change from eth0 to eth1, in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 05:05.29 | Lare | if your mac-address has been changed |
| 05:05.45 | Lare | it reserves a new device for interface |
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| 05:06.08 | Lare | if you want to use et0, you could remove old mac address line from udev |
| 05:06.43 | Lare | in lenny the file is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 05:07.21 | Solifugus | Lare: ah! so that's why it did it. |
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| 05:10.03 | madmuppet006 | I am trying to install mit-scheme on lenny 64 .. I get an error make[1]***[scheme] Error 1 and make: ***[compile-microcode] Error 2 any help at all appreciated |
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| 05:11.04 | madmuppet006 | there are lots of undefined errors related to asm* as well |
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| 05:13.38 | jelly-home | judd: versions mit-scheme |
| 05:13.40 | judd | mit-scheme -- etch: 7.7.90+20060906-3; lenny: 7.7.90+20080130-1; sid: 9.0.1-1; squeeze: 9.0.1-1 |
| 05:14.26 | jelly-home | madmuppet006: if you're trying to build a newer version on lenny, I suggest you use the backport method. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 05:16.39 | madmuppet006 | soz doh |
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| 05:33.15 | joshteam | how can i see what is on port 8080? |
| 05:33.34 | wols | as root, netstat -ano |grep 8080 |
| 05:33.59 | wols | sorry. netstat -anp rather |
| 05:35.13 | joshteam | thanks :) |
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| 05:48.43 | LikeVinyl | is away: My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I want to be a pirate! |
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| 05:49.37 | MoMo | i have a question -- how can i place a file in the console somewhere in a directory, and then goto the root directory and then search and find that file |
| 05:52.18 | sep | MoMo, man find |
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| 05:53.20 | joshteam | erm, "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" << any thoughts? |
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| 06:01.30 | MoMo | sep: i went through the man file but when i try find find template_var.tgz i get this error: find: `template_var.tgz': No such file or directory ---- i don't know what i'm doing wrong |
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| 06:02.06 | User755 | dfd |
| 06:04.20 | MoMo | =P forgot the -name |
| 06:04.23 | wols | MoMo: either find / -name 'file.ext' or locate file.ext |
| 06:04.26 | MoMo | find / -name file |
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| 06:04.39 | MoMo | wols: locate seems easier |
| 06:04.59 | wols | !tell joshteam about buiid-essential |
| 06:05.04 | wols | !tell joshteam about buiid-essentials |
| 06:05.11 | wols | doh |
| 06:05.28 | wols | joshteam: /msg dpkg build-essential |
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| 06:05.52 | joshteam | thanks wols I got it though |
| 06:05.53 | wols | MoMo: locate DB is only updated once per day however, normally around 6:20am |
| 06:06.06 | joshteam | I used build-dep though |
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| 06:07.27 | MoMo | wols: are you being serious or is that a joke? |
| 06:09.26 | wols | I am serious, why? |
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| 06:09.42 | MoMo | seems odd |
| 06:09.48 | MoMo | is there a way to manually force the db to update? |
| 06:09.59 | wols | cron runs the command updatedb once daily. this database indexes all filenames on your system and is used by locate |
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| 06:10.05 | wols | yes, updatedb |
| 06:10.07 | MoMo | =) |
| 06:10.18 | MoMo | thanks wols -- i learn something new everyday with you!!! |
| 06:10.25 | MoMo | this cluster project is driving me nuts though |
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| 06:27.37 | tensorpudding | Can you build i386 source packages on amd64, having them installed in the right places? |
| 06:28.10 | nevyn | tensorpudding: there's no difference between an i386 source package and a amd64 source package. |
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| 06:28.51 | tensorpudding | Ah, what I meant was, compile them as 32-bit libraries. |
| 06:29.03 | tensorpudding | and putting them in /lib32 |
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| 06:37.57 | NoCode | Feels good to be back on Squeeze. Also: I don't know why, but Synaptic wasn't included in the default installation of Squeeze. No repositories other than security ones, too. |
| 06:38.20 | NoCode | Has it always been like that? |
| 06:38.26 | NoCode | I forget |
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| 06:40.42 | wols | NoCode: no. you need to have a network connection at the time of install to have main repos in your sources.list when installing with netinst |
| 06:40.53 | wols | if you install from CD1, you get that in your sources.list |
| 06:41.16 | wols | and "default install" is a very ambigous, useless term in debian |
| 06:41.17 | RobDalan | And it'll annoy the crap out of you the first time you install something if you forget. |
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| 06:42.22 | wols | RobDalan: if there was a repo in there even without network connection, then 50% of all debian installs had "fpt.debian.org" which would make this repo unusable |
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| 06:42.48 | wols | unless akamai donates its service to debian, this just isn't feasible |
| 06:42.56 | RobDalan | I meant the "Please insert Debian...... Disc 1" message. |
| 06:43.15 | wols | ah, well, you installed from it :) where else to go? |
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| 06:43.26 | NoCode | wols, True. Well, I used a daily build ISO from CD1 with i386 and I had to configure my sources.list, and install synaptic after the fact. |
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| 06:43.58 | NoCode | Squeeze* and weekly build. |
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| 06:44.00 | NoCode | curses |
| 06:44.09 | RobDalan | Yeah, I just forget to comment it out since I normally use the net-inst and usually after I install I type a long list of packages to install... |
| 06:44.22 | NoCode | :) |
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| 06:45.23 | MoMo | is there a place (configuration file) where i can set the time to a time server ... such as the ability to do an rdate nist1-la.ustiming.org |
| 06:45.31 | lesser | Hi |
| 06:45.35 | NoCode | I'm a lot happier now that I have Squeeze installed. Ubuntu has gone off the deep end. I installed Lucid yesterday, went a little crazy because I couldn't do two simple things that *any* use should be able to do |
| 06:45.40 | NoCode | No moar Ubuntu for me. |
| 06:45.48 | NoCode | Debian is heavenly. :D |
| 06:45.51 | RobDalan | ntp I don't remember exactly how though |
| 06:46.53 | RobDalan | Every time I've tried something else, I've came back to Debian Testing... Ubuntu sucks... To much crap installed by default. |
| 06:46.56 | wols | debian is shit, no doubt about it |
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| 06:47.11 | atn | hi |
| 06:47.19 | wols | but the alternatives are worse. much much worse |
| 06:47.19 | RobDalan | I still recommend it for those "Windows users" though. |
| 06:47.44 | RobDalan | Whoa... You were serious? |
| 06:48.04 | RobDalan | What's wrong with it? |
| 06:48.44 | atn | I have a php prob |
| 06:48.51 | NoCode | Also: Can I have sources from a primary debian mirror site, along with a secondary mirror archive? |
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| 06:49.12 | NoCode | example: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:49.14 | wols | NoCode: you can, but what's the point? |
| 06:49.18 | MoMo | if i need to set an enviroment varible and have it stay for every reboot -- where would i place this? |
| 06:49.20 | atn | i installed it succesfully but if i type php -v it says php : command does not exitsts |
| 06:49.55 | wols | MoMo: /etc/rc.local for your ntp problem:I'm sure there is a config file somewhere in /etc. maybe try grep -r ntp /etc/|less |
| 06:50.06 | wols | atn: instapp php5-cli |
| 06:50.15 | MoMo | thanks wols |
| 06:50.31 | NoCode | wols, So I guess there's no point in it? |
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| 06:50.40 | wols | not really one I can see imho |
| 06:50.48 | RobDalan | Not unless one of them goes down... |
| 06:51.03 | NoCode | Okay. |
| 06:51.04 | wols | sure but you always have to update twice as much packages files |
| 06:51.08 | RobDalan | You can use apt-spy or a few others if you want to find out which ones fastest for you. |
| 06:51.11 | RobDalan | That too. |
| 06:51.24 | NoCode | I'll check that out now |
| 06:51.25 | NoCode | :D |
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| 06:51.56 | atn | thanks wols |
| 06:52.19 | atn | sorry I want to learn php so thats can happen |
| 06:52.36 | wols | my condolences |
| 06:52.39 | atn | =) |
| 06:53.12 | atn | hehe im the only one at work who uses debian |
| 06:53.21 | atn | other uses windows oO |
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| 06:54.24 | RobDalan | I only know two people (in "real life") who use Linux at all... And I got them using it... |
| 06:54.42 | RobDalan | It suck to have to call yourself for tech support. |
| 06:54.48 | RobDalan | sucks ^ |
| 06:55.00 | atn | I hate Windows ;) |
| 06:55.03 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 06:55.27 | atn | Mac is better. It isnt secure but looks good :) |
| 06:55.38 | RobDalan | Me too, they let all the light in when I try to sleep all day. |
| 06:55.46 | RobDalan | :-) |
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| 06:56.10 | MoMo | if there is a line in a configuration file such as type=abc1243 how do i search all the config files for that line so i can find the config file that has it? |
| 06:56.20 | atn | Windows 7 is seven time faster at bluescreen ^^ |
| 06:56.36 | MoMo | lol |
| 06:56.48 | \amethyst | MoMo: for global config files, you could try grep -R type=abc1243 /etc |
| 06:56.57 | RobDalan | Probably not the best way, but I always cat * in the directory and | grep |
| 06:57.10 | RobDalan | Ah, grep -R... I'll have to remember that |
| 06:57.14 | \amethyst | RobDalan: but that won't tell you which file it's in |
| 06:57.19 | RobDalan | oh. |
| 06:57.21 | \amethyst | just whether it's present |
| 06:57.32 | \amethyst | RobDalan: cat * | grep that is |
| 06:57.41 | atn | yes my lighttpd works now :) |
| 06:57.43 | \amethyst | grep foo * will, assuming you don't need to recurse |
| 06:57.44 | RobDalan | oh, yeah... I think there was another option I used. I have to man grep everytime. |
| 06:58.14 | MoMo | cool that looks like it worked nice |
| 06:58.19 | RobDalan | I really need to start making the cheat-sheets I've been planning on making for myself for years. |
| 06:58.32 | RobDalan | It would save so much freaking time. |
| 06:58.43 | RobDalan | If I could find it when I needed it that is. |
| 06:59.05 | wols | \amethyst: glancing only peripherally, you almost gave me a heart attack when I thought you advocated cat * |grep. please don't do that again |
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| 06:59.35 | RobDalan | sorry, that was me... I prefaced it with a disclaimer though. |
| 07:00.35 | \amethyst | wols: heh |
| 07:00.42 | RobDalan | -l was the option I forgot. |
| 07:00.50 | RobDalan | just checked the man page. |
| 07:02.43 | mo__ | Hello! Im having problems with X and nvidia driver (from their site) with a fresh installation of Lenny |
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| 07:03.21 | RobDalan | sounds normal... There's also #nvidia that's just for the drivers from their site. |
| 07:03.30 | mo__ | After nvidia driver installation, X looks really big. Although nvidia x server settings report 1920x1080 resolution |
| 07:03.35 | mo__ | RobDalan: oh ok |
| 07:03.36 | atn | why is apache2 installed |
| 07:03.43 | atn | i want to use lighttpd |
| 07:03.56 | atn | and i typed apt-get remove apache2 |
| 07:04.00 | wols | atn: due to a dependency or recommends |
| 07:04.00 | atn | ...? |
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| 07:04.07 | wols | atn: remove apache2-common. purge it too |
| 07:04.29 | MoMo | so -- if i want to adjust my hostname, where would i have to do it -- i thought i got all the instances |
| 07:04.38 | wols | !hostname |
| 07:04.39 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 07:04.43 | atn | yes i done this too |
| 07:05.02 | MoMo | =D |
| 07:05.02 | atn | or should i trsy autoremove apache2? |
| 07:05.23 | MoMo | so i got them all -- hmm |
| 07:05.29 | wols | apache2 is only a meta package |
| 07:05.35 | atn | mhh ok |
| 07:06.13 | atn | i created a file index.php with phpinfo(); in it |
| 07:06.27 | atn | if i type localhost/index.php i says apache2 loaded |
| 07:06.32 | atn | ... |
| 07:06.46 | wols | atn: dpkg -l |grep apache pastebin that |
| 07:08.51 | MoMo | Olivia:/# ping Olivia -- and i get -- ping: unknown host Olivia ........ not making much sense |
| 07:09.16 | wols | MoMo: cat /etc/hosts put that in a pastebin |
| 07:09.25 | wols | MoMo: or read the hostname factoid again |
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| 07:09.56 | MoMo | http://pastebin.com/M6jd6xdz |
| 07:10.12 | \amethyst | MoMo: it's misspelled |
| 07:10.21 | wols | Olvia != Olivia |
| 07:10.23 | MoMo | DUH |
| 07:10.25 | MoMo | its a test |
| 07:10.30 | atn | apache is like a virus |
| 07:10.31 | MoMo | to make sure you guys are on point -- good job you all passed |
| 07:10.37 | atn | its everywhere :D |
| 07:10.39 | wols | MoMo: are you using static IPs or a router for DNS? |
| 07:10.59 | MoMo | static ips |
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| 07:11.10 | MoMo | this machine is a headnode on a cluster |
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| 07:12.06 | wols | MoMo: look into dnsmasq for use as a dhcp server |
| 07:12.10 | MoMo | it is |
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| 07:18.00 | MoMo | anyone use drbl? |
| 07:18.15 | NoCode | What's drbl? |
| 07:18.30 | MoMo | i am trying to figure out why after i push the configuration image, it appends -eth0 on my hostname |
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| 07:19.39 | NoCode | , gwibber sid |
| 07:20.17 | MoMo | ? |
| 07:20.25 | NoCode | Was trying to cue the bot. |
| 07:20.40 | NoCode | Wanted to see what version of Gwibber was included. |
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| 07:24.22 | \amethyst | ,versions gwibber |
| 07:24.24 | judd | gwibber -- sid: 1.2.0+bzr358-2; squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-2 |
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| 07:24.58 | NoCode | I guess they haven't changed because python hasn't changed to 2.6 in sid. Ah well, that's okay. :) |
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| 07:26.46 | \amethyst | python2.6 is in sid, but isn't the default python version |
| 07:26.52 | NoCode | How can I adjust the language my desktop uses? It seems that when typing in xchat, each word is underlined in red. |
| 07:27.00 | NoCode | :o |
| 07:27.14 | DogBoy | that's spelling |
| 07:28.03 | NoCode | I know it's spelling, and I know that each word including I, is spelled right. Most of the time anyway. ;D |
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| 07:28.58 | cire | I have an encrypted pdf file, andc the pw is really annoying to type. Can that be removed somehow without touching the pdf itself (eg. encpdf->ps->unencpdf)? I would like to keep the size and quality of the original. |
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| 07:32.56 | NoCode | I guess I'll restart or something. Is it aspell that is used by default? |
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| 07:33.29 | NoCode | brb |
| 07:34.32 | liverpudlian | how do install multimedia codec in debian? |
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| 07:36.25 | taleon | Hi. |
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| 07:52.50 | sanderj_ | Do anyone know if all nfs services needs to be availble when doing rpcinfo -p client (from the nfs server), atm I can only see portmapper and status. |
| 07:53.28 | sanderj_ | But when I do rpcinfo -p the other way around, I see all servics. |
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| 07:59.35 | NoCode | How can I configure a language in debian? |
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| 08:03.13 | Zbyshek | NoCode: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:03.19 | wols | !locales |
| 08:03.19 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 08:06.21 | sanderj_ | Do I need any client ports open.. to mount an nfs share? |
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| 08:08.12 | gottto | sanderj_: it defaults to 2049 afaik |
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| 08:09.23 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/eBKTWstB should I be concerned? |
| 08:09.26 | sanderj_ | gottto, atm.. I get "access denied by server while mounting" |
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| 08:09.43 | sanderj_ | gottto, but that will be fixed if I open port 2049? |
| 08:09.48 | sanderj_ | on the client. |
| 08:09.51 | innociv | Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which prevent migration to dependency-based boot sequencing |
| 08:10.05 | gottto | sanderj_: sounds a possibility |
| 08:10.20 | sanderj_ | gottto, ok. |
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| 08:18.13 | wols | atn: do not message people, especially not unasked |
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| 08:19.18 | atn | ok^^ |
| 08:19.27 | atn | sorry |
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| 08:20.44 | atn | lighttpd dont workds with php code |
| 08:20.57 | atn | <?PHP |
| 08:20.57 | atn | phpinfo (); |
| 08:20.57 | atn | ?> |
| 08:21.03 | atn | this dont work |
| 08:21.12 | atn | he writes me this as text |
| 08:21.32 | wols | !enter |
| 08:21.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:21.55 | pawal | whatever happened to ftp-master? |
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| 08:22.20 | NoCode | squints his eyes, lowers eyebrows. |
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| 08:24.35 | atn | what i have to do that he work with php code |
| 08:26.22 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 08:26.50 | wols | wonders why people always have to use the "cool" new software instead of the proven, working one, and then totally lack any clue how to configure it? |
| 08:27.31 | Zyklon-B | what kind of ppl go to #debian then ? |
| 08:28.28 | wols | in an ideal world, people who actually try to solve their problems on their own first, do some research, on the web, via google, etc. THEN come here, not "this doesn't work out of the box, now fix it for me" |
| 08:28.41 | Zyklon-B | ah a dreamer |
| 08:29.45 | jelly | but he's not the only one |
| 08:30.10 | Zyklon-B | jelly: you fat ? |
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| 08:30.47 | jelly | Zyklon-B: for you, I could be |
| 08:31.00 | Zyklon-B | atn: use the web cause they dont know the solutions to your problems |
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| 08:32.08 | NoCode | NICE |
| 08:32.32 | NoCode | Finally learned how to use aspell correctly. Though, I wish I could use it globally rather than per program |
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| 08:34.35 | NoCode | Hopefully last test. |
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| 08:35.25 | NoCode | Nice. |
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| 08:36.01 | NoCode | Apparently the default command to start xchat with aspell did not work. So, I made a script, and it works rather well now. |
| 08:36.12 | Trevelyan | Hi, is emdebian supported here? I'm having problems installing coreutils (6.10-6em1) and findutils (4.4.0-2em1) they both fail at the configure stage with post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 08:36.19 | wols | !emdebian |
| 08:36.20 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:36.42 | jelly | NoCode: so you can now write "r u ppl all mad" and it corrects your lines? :-) |
| 08:36.42 | wols | Trevelyan: we can try. /msg dpkg errors |
| 08:36.58 | NoCode | lol |
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| 08:39.40 | Trevelyan | http://paste.debian.net/66577/ |
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| 08:40.52 | \amethyst | Trevelyan: a problem with install-info maybe? |
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| 08:42.38 | \amethyst | Trevelyan: you could try install-info /usr/share/info/find.info and see if it gives you an error |
| 08:43.07 | \amethyst | Trevelyan: the postinst (if it's the same as in vanilla debian) calls install-info with --quiet , so any errors are hidden |
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| 08:45.06 | Trevelyan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.46 | Trevelyan | so i guess they didn't alter the post-installation script correctly? |
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| 08:47.04 | wols | probably. you could rewrite the script |
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| 08:53.04 | jaco | Hey Guys, I'm setting up Zenoss for server monitoring - I've been able to setup SNMP on one server but none of the others?! How can I troubleshoot to see where my problem lies? |
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| 08:55.39 | mo__ | jaco: /var/log ? |
| 08:56.00 | mo__ | snmp.log if it exists? |
| 08:56.04 | mo__ | snmpd.log perhaps? |
| 08:56.09 | mo__ | not sure where it logs to |
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| 08:57.35 | Trevelyan | i don't know if anyone here stores answers, but grip-config needed installing before the other emdebian packages. |
| 08:58.26 | jelly | !emdebian |
| 08:58.26 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:08.08 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | Hi all, are there problems with sid updates? |
| 09:08.54 | simonrvn | such as? |
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| 09:12.55 | lifestream | Please... how do I extract a folder from file-roller? Everytime I try to extract, it will put all files from the folder and the sub folders all mushed together in one folder in thunar. |
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| 09:14.29 | lifestream | I'm trying to extract The_Folder, which has Folder A and Folder B. Folder A, has subfolders folder1 folder2 folder3. Folder B, has folderi folderii folderiii, Instead of extracting like that, there are no folders, and all the files got put in one folder.' |
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| 09:15.28 | simonrvn | extract as-is not working? |
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| 09:15.58 | lifestream | Hmm where do I find that? File roller has no preferences. |
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| 09:16.58 | simonrvn | click extract |
| 09:17.00 | patrick-1 | Hey, im having a little problem here: im connecting to a VPN that assigns me the address 10.10.10.6 - im trying to reach a machine which has the address 192.168.6.253 on the remote network. how do i proceed? |
| 09:17.11 | lifestream | simonrvn, that's how the "error" happened ^^ |
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| 09:19.15 | valdyn | lifestream: what kind of archive is it? rar? |
| 09:19.18 | wols | add the route for 192.168.6.0/24 to your vpn interface |
| 09:19.44 | patrick-1 | done: route 192.168.6.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:19.48 | patrick-1 | no effect |
| 09:19.51 | lifestream | valdyn, it's a tar.gz backup of my home folder |
| 09:20.01 | wols | you sure the vpn actually forwards your packets? |
| 09:20.12 | patrick-1 | wols: i am connected. |
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| 09:20.17 | patrick-1 | thats ads far as i am |
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| 09:21.26 | valdyn | patrick-1: route add -net 192.168.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw <your vpn gateway> |
| 09:21.51 | patrick-1 | vpn gw as in the remote vpn server, right? |
| 09:22.13 | valdyn | patrick-1: the adress that is currently reachable, like 10.10.10.something |
| 09:23.24 | valdyn | patrick-1: its quite odd that you dont get this route pushed by default unless you set up that vpn server yourself... |
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| 09:24.05 | patrick-1 | valdyn: the server is located in my school. and the teacher is a moron |
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| 09:24.16 | valdyn | patrick-1: that would explain that |
| 09:24.38 | valdyn | patrick-1: but - in that case you might have no way of connecting to the 192.168.6.0 subnet |
| 09:25.10 | patrick-1 | apparently "network is not reachable" |
| 09:25.48 | valdyn | patrick-1: which ip is giving you that message? |
| 09:26.06 | patrick-1 | i used the remote servers hostname |
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| 09:26.30 | patrick-1 | its a dyndns host.. |
| 09:26.37 | valdyn | patrick-1: that cant be right |
| 09:26.58 | valdyn | patrick-1: it must be a 10.10.10.x ip, not an internet address |
| 09:27.08 | patrick-1 | mhh |
| 09:27.23 | valdyn | patrick-1: the remote hosts internet ip does not get routed through the vpn |
| 09:27.46 | patrick-1 | how do i find out what the gw ip is? |
| 09:27.59 | valdyn | patrick-1: using ifconfig you *might* see the remote IP |
| 09:28.05 | patrick-1 | (apparently its also the host im trying to reach) |
| 09:28.21 | patrick-1 | is it P-z-P:10.10.10.5 Ã |
| 09:28.23 | patrick-1 | ? |
| 09:28.31 | valdyn | patrick-1: possibly, ping that |
| 09:28.51 | patrick-1 | From 10.10.10.6 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 09:29.10 | valdyn | patrick-1: your routing table is fucked |
| 09:29.31 | valdyn | patrick-1: best you reset that vpn link completely |
| 09:30.08 | valdyn | patrick-1: what vpn is it? openvpn? |
| 09:30.20 | patrick-1 | yes |
| 09:30.26 | patrick-1 | ive reset the link and the table is flushed |
| 09:30.39 | patrick-1 | oh |
| 09:30.45 | patrick-1 | it does push some routes |
| 09:30.47 | patrick-1 | as it seems |
| 09:31.15 | patrick-1 | http://pastebin.com/NV3b0Fmz |
| 09:31.38 | patrick-1 | but no way to ping anything |
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| 09:32.33 | valdyn | patrick-1: the route command i told you earlier is already been pushed to you |
| 09:32.47 | patrick-1 | seems as if it is wrong thouth |
| 09:32.48 | patrick-1 | tough |
| 09:32.50 | valdyn | patrick-1: (or it was not really deleted) |
| 09:32.54 | patrick-1 | it was |
| 09:33.00 | patrick-1 | i checked after disconnecting the vpn |
| 09:33.12 | valdyn | patrick-1: where is your native network routes though? |
| 09:33.13 | patrick-1 | it re-appeared after a few seconfds |
| 09:33.23 | patrick-1 | didnt post them with the paste |
| 09:33.24 | patrick-1 | second |
| 09:33.53 | patrick-1 | http://pastebin.com/cs8AGVaC |
| 09:34.02 | patrick-1 | shouldnt matter though, should it? |
| 09:34.13 | patrick-1 | thats just the servers subnet + its gateway |
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| 09:34.32 | valdyn | patrick-1: the native routes are essential to route the vpn |
| 09:34.42 | patrick-1 | ok |
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| 09:35.03 | valdyn | patrick-1: whats the vpn server? ipx-gate ? |
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| 09:35.12 | patrick-1 | no, sec |
| 09:35.33 | patrick-1 | http://pastebin.com/iMDGkuUc |
| 09:35.38 | patrick-1 | thats the entire table |
| 09:35.50 | patrick-1 | ipx-gate is the servers gateway to the internet |
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| 09:36.09 | patrick-1 | mind switching to private, valdyn? |
| 09:36.12 | valdyn | patrick-1: whats the internet ip of your vpn server? |
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| 09:36.26 | valdyn | patrick-1: just for confidential info please |
| 09:36.29 | patrick-1 | ok |
| 09:36.44 | patrick-1 | internet ip is: 89.166.253.96 |
| 09:36.51 | patrick-1 | of the remote VPN Server |
| 09:37.12 | valdyn | patrick-1: its still reachable right now, right? |
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| 09:37.23 | patrick-1 | i am currently connected to it |
| 09:37.36 | valdyn | patrick-1: you can still ping it after the vpn is up? |
| 09:38.11 | patrick-1 | seems to block icmp calls |
| 09:38.15 | patrick-1 | at all times |
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| 09:38.50 | valdyn | patrick-1: this routing table seems fine |
| 09:39.08 | patrick-1 | im trying to mount a samba share which is located on the host 192.168.6.253 |
| 09:39.17 | patrick-1 | first i need to be able to at least reach the host |
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| 09:39.45 | valdyn | patrick-1: 10.10.10.1 should be pingable unless thats deactivated actively |
| 09:40.00 | patrick-1 | not pingable |
| 09:40.07 | patrick-1 | oh wait |
| 09:40.11 | patrick-1 | then again im not connected :D |
| 09:40.37 | patrick-1 | it floods me with From 10.10.10.6 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable almoast instananeously |
| 09:41.30 | valdyn | patrick-1: that vpn server is fucked |
| 09:41.36 | patrick-1 | =) |
| 09:41.58 | valdyn | ( unless you did something evil to your firewall settings ) |
| 09:42.11 | patrick-1 | nope |
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| 09:42.21 | Supaplex | blame the carrier. they never admit to fault. >:) |
| 09:42.33 | patrick-1 | id rather blame the teacher |
| 09:43.08 | valdyn | but i hate to debug this with the fugly windows workaround |
| 09:43.15 | valdyn | where 10.10.10.5 is a fake host |
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| 09:43.25 | Supaplex | but windows is a virus |
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| 09:52.13 | rsmith | if your mirror site in sources.list is down, does aptitude pick another automatically? I'm getting wierdness on updates. |
| 09:52.22 | obiwan_ | hi guys, i'm looking for a real time way to run lsof |
| 09:52.38 | lindi- | obiwan_: strace works for single process |
| 09:52.48 | lindi- | obiwan_: systemtap works for whole system |
| 09:52.52 | obiwan_ | yeah lindi- but i need ystem wide |
| 09:52.59 | obiwan_ | gr8! |
| 09:53.01 | obiwan_ | ty :) |
| 09:53.09 | obiwan_ | oh btw lindi- |
| 09:53.26 | obiwan_ | do you got any idea why fuser exists at all? lsof | grep file does the same |
| 09:53.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:53.48 | obiwan_ | if only there was an option for lsof to do the same that lsof | grep, just like pgrep, plsof would be just so great |
| 09:53.57 | simonrvn | wth would s/he know? |
| 09:54.11 | simonrvn | wth would any of us know? |
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| 09:54.16 | obiwan_ | dunno, i'm noob, maybe he's expert |
| 09:54.57 | lindi- | obiwan_: I only use lsof or manually ls -l /proc/*/fd |
| 09:55.12 | simonrvn | so file a bug report if it bothers you so much |
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| 09:55.28 | Supaplex | ouch. journal commit I/O error. that'll teach me to touch a usb stick during debootstrap :-X |
| 09:55.44 | simonrvn | ow |
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| 09:56.44 | lindi- | obiwan_: lsof seems to be from 1994, fuser is probably older |
| 09:56.46 | Supaplex | I think I'll stage it to a internal lvm partition first :) then mkfs.ext3+rsync |
| 09:57.49 | Zyklon-B | obiwan_: or use an alias like so : alias lg='lsof | grep ' |
| 09:58.24 | themill | what's with all the grepping? |
| 09:58.28 | lindi- | hmm, first version of fuser was written by Werner Almesberger who worked for openmoko |
| 09:58.30 | obiwan_ | simonrvn: it bugs me cuz i had the idea that : lsof works for list files opened by a process (list open files (by a process)), and fuser lists users (processes) of a file. But then i find lsof does that as well, yet it doesn't have an option to show programs accessing a single file, as fuser. I'm certainly not going to ask what experts in all the world haven't. Sure they got a reason. |
| 09:59.43 | obiwan_ | lindi-: that's a good reason eheh thanks |
| 09:59.52 | obiwan_ | yeah Zyklon-B thanks |
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| 10:00.22 | simonrvn | there's a reason yes. it's not usually problem when stuff has overlapping functionality. |
| 10:00.42 | lindi- | imho the largest problem is that those are not libraries |
| 10:01.04 | lindi- | so people have to actually execute "ps" as a subprocess and parse its output |
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| 10:01.12 | obiwan_ | indeed, some programs majorly overlap, like kde and gnome hehe. it's on the user choice to use each |
| 10:01.29 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 10:01.30 | dpkg | nvi is known to cause ulcers |
| 10:01.46 | obiwan_ | but the date reason is a good one |
| 10:02.11 | obiwan_ | well, thanks evyerobyd |
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| 10:04.49 | simonrvn | lindi-: hmm, good point, would be nice to have libs for those |
| 10:05.21 | lindi- | simonrvn: i guess library thinking just wasn't very popular in the old age |
| 10:06.24 | simonrvn | i doubt it's that, probably implementation, and probably having to do the work of making one outweighs practical usage |
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| 10:06.54 | simonrvn | i suppose if someone is bored/wants to experiment they could do it |
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| 10:07.36 | simonrvn | and porbably has done it in some unseen remote repository somewhere :P |
| 10:07.39 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 10:07.44 | Supaplex | patches welcome. not necessarilly meaning they'll be mainlined. |
| 10:08.39 | obiwan_ | lindi-: i couldn't find an option to list processes working on a file |
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| 10:09.00 | Supaplex | this is going to be a tricky install... toss kernel+initramfs on tftp server, boot from it with usb stick as rootfs, mount 16mb hda, and install grub+kernel there |
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| 10:12.09 | simonrvn | weee |
| 10:12.18 | simonrvn | Supaplex: what are you trying to boot? |
| 10:13.09 | obiwan_ | well, just in case you know any other approach, how could i kill a mounted system when umount says it's in use by some "mysterious, not listed by fuser" file ? |
| 10:13.19 | Supaplex | simonrvn: thin client. turning it into a router |
| 10:13.25 | simonrvn | ah nice |
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| 10:13.39 | simonrvn | obiwan_: checked /proc/mounts ? |
| 10:13.41 | Supaplex | upgrading http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html |
| 10:14.21 | Supaplex | to run debian instead :) too many pitty broken edge uses in openwrt for me. |
| 10:14.47 | obiwan_ | yeah simonrvn it says its in use |
| 10:14.47 | obiwan_ | i mean, its mounted |
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| 10:15.04 | simonrvn | ah cool :) |
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| 10:15.19 | obiwan_ | heck it doesn't paste xd |
| 10:15.26 | obiwan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.44 | obiwan_ | and the same with /dev and /mnt/gentoo/dev |
| 10:16.04 | simonrvn | so unmount those? |
| 10:16.21 | obiwan_ | and of course, /mnt/gentoo/ which is the root filesystem. i have all home and eveyrhing in root |
| 10:16.25 | obiwan_ | i tried simonrvn |
| 10:16.57 | obiwan_ | that's when i get the error. some weeks ago i had those problems, and i found out i got to unmount first proc and dev. but now i can't unmount proc and dev, it says the same |
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| 10:17.02 | Supaplex | obiwan_: cat /proc/mounts to check. I have the bad habbit of forgetting some |
| 10:17.35 | obiwan_ | i looked there Supaplex but it only shows those |
| 10:17.45 | obiwan_ | plus the ones here |
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| 10:18.26 | simonrvn | umount /mnt/gentoo/dev and umount /mnt/gentoo/proc ? |
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| 10:18.39 | obiwan_ | yeah |
| 10:18.42 | obiwan_ | and i get that error |
| 10:18.47 | obiwan_ | w8 i paste |
| 10:19.03 | simonrvn | only if it's one line or 2 |
| 10:19.08 | obiwan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.18 | obiwan_ | same with pro |
| 10:19.56 | obiwan_ | that's why i was in search of some real time program which monitors /mnt/gentoo/ but i couldn't find anyone |
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| 10:21.11 | wols | why one bind mounts /dev and /proc on a normal system is simply beyond me |
| 10:21.56 | simonrvn | lsof /mnt/gentoo/dev |
| 10:22.34 | \amethyst | you may need to umount /dev/shm and/or /dev/pts |
| 10:22.42 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:22.42 | obiwan_ | wols cause i'm chrooting it |
| 10:23.03 | obiwan_ | and i mount dev and proc so it's a whole system |
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| 10:23.25 | obiwan_ | \amethyst: i don't have dev/shm |
| 10:23.37 | obiwan_ | i removed it from fstab and plus it doesn't show in mount |
| 10:23.38 | wols | then stop all gentoo processes |
| 10:23.43 | obiwan_ | how? :P |
| 10:23.48 | obiwan_ | if only i knew :P |
| 10:23.50 | wols | end the chroot? |
| 10:24.00 | obiwan_ | it's ended |
| 10:24.09 | obiwan_ | that's why i wanted to quit |
| 10:24.20 | obiwan_ | yes i can restart, but i got too many things open |
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| 10:25.07 | \amethyst | obiwan_: did you try lsof as simonrvn suggested? |
| 10:25.17 | obiwan_ | yeah , but lsof isn't real time |
| 10:25.25 | obiwan_ | somebody recommended me systemtap |
| 10:25.46 | obiwan_ | but i couldn't either find an option to monitor files in real time there |
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| 10:26.28 | Supaplex | dear tar. thanks for backing up /proc even though you make --one-file-system as an unsupported option as an excuse. |
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| 10:27.05 | obiwan_ | if anybody knows a command that shows in real time all processes accessing a file please let me know hehe |
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| 10:27.30 | obiwan_ | neither lsof, fuser, seem to have that option, and i can't find a way for systemtap |
| 10:28.00 | wols | !inotify |
| 10:28.00 | dpkg | A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >= 2.6.13 -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/, or used by Beagle (a desktop search infrastructure), Gamin (a FAM replacement), and other projects. |
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| 10:28.54 | Supaplex | good call wols |
| 10:29.13 | Supaplex | i'm too tired, but that's what I was thinking of |
| 10:31.28 | jelly | obiwan_: also read about /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 10:31.39 | obiwan_ | thanks jelly |
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| 10:32.08 | Supaplex | obiwan_: you don't have any files used as swap under there, right? |
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| 10:34.18 | brbrbr | oh, seems "secure-debian-howto" was outdated |
| 10:34.49 | brbrbr | "securing..."^ |
| 10:35.26 | babilen | "was" ? |
| 10:36.30 | obiwan_ | yeah Supaplex i got swap in use |
| 10:36.38 | brbrbr | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ was unrelated to current state of debian |
| 10:37.07 | obiwan_ | Supaplex: already tried fuser -m -u /dev/gentoo |
| 10:37.36 | wols | brbrbr: "was" implies it's not unrelated anymore. so what did you change? |
| 10:37.43 | obiwan_ | but it couldn't find any file in there being used by any process. Maybe it's being used, but without a real time monitoring option i can't be sure |
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| 10:39.41 | brbrbr | wols good question. im be start from removing references for deceased projects and/or place new ones |
| 10:39.57 | brbrbr | and add/alter parts about new threats |
| 10:40.19 | obiwan_ | oh btw, apart from that issue. I'm wondering for some days, and googled a lot about it without any definitive answer. What's the difference between mailcap and alternatives? both specify what to be run on what. |
| 10:40.46 | brbrbr | same about deprecated ways to configure debian as well as deprecated things in kernel/distro |
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| 10:42.27 | Imran-UK | has anyone had problems with a ps2 kvm only working with the keyboard in the bios, not in the os? |
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| 10:42.53 | wols | Imran-UK: ##hardware |
| 10:43.22 | Imran-UK | wols, thanks |
| 10:43.27 | Imran-UK | will ask there |
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| 10:43.58 | EugenMayer | hello, is the bacula admin tool (bad) named bacula-console-qt in debian? |
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| 10:46.07 | babilen | EugenMayer: If by "bad" you mean "bat" --> "aptitude show bacula-console-qt" and verify it yourself |
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| 10:47.04 | babilen | EugenMayer: apt-file search -x "/usr/bin/bat$" |
| 10:47.18 | EugenMayer | babilen: sorry, yes, BAT |
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| 10:47.33 | themill | brbrbr: it's obviously in need of love. Please send patches -- the addresses are in the document or "reporbug --attac= brbrbrpatches.tar.gz --severity=wishlist --subject='harden-doc: major updates ..." harden-doc |
| 10:47.37 | babilen | looks like it, doesn't it? |
| 10:47.52 | EugenMayer | babilen: looks perfekt. |
| 10:47.55 | EugenMayer | babilen: thanks |
| 10:48.13 | EugenMayer | babilen: the last question is, whether i need server and client sided installations |
| 10:48.28 | babilen | EugenMayer: And now you even learned how to find that information yourself the next time \o/ |
| 10:48.51 | EugenMayer | babilen++ |
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| 10:49.17 | nettezzaumana | hi all |
| 10:49.39 | nettezzaumana | can i somehow put two different addresses into network/interfaces ? |
| 10:50.16 | nettezzaumana | it seems like active is only one until i pass by hand: ip a a $someaddr/$somenmask dev $somenic |
| 10:50.20 | babilen | nettezzaumana: For the same NIC? |
| 10:50.24 | nettezzaumana | yes |
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| 10:51.37 | Supaplex | nettezzaumana: eth0:0 eth0:1 ... eth0:155 |
| 10:51.49 | babilen | yes - check "10.6.1.7 Configuring virtual interfaces" in the Debian reference |
| 10:52.17 | nettezzaumana | Supaplex: no .. bad way in year of 2010 |
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| 10:52.31 | babilen | nettezzaumana: But basically it follows the naming convention just exemplified by Supaplex |
| 10:53.02 | babilen | nettezzaumana: why is that? are you aware of a different "this is cool these days"-method? |
| 10:53.03 | nettezzaumana | babilen and Supaplex .. thanks guys, but age of 2.4* kernel is in deep past |
| 10:53.15 | nettezzaumana | i simply want two addresses on one iface |
| 10:53.45 | nettezzaumana | i can figure it out by some script, but i wanted first check, if the interfaces support it |
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| 10:56.02 | jelly | nettezzaumana: if all you need is just two addresses, use aliases, ie. just configure eth0:0 and be done with it. Remember to have the gateway line ONLY in one iface. |
| 10:56.06 | Supaplex | nettezzaumana: iproute support is slowly coming of age in debian |
| 10:56.24 | simonrvn | Supaplex: eh? |
| 10:56.35 | obiwan_ | jelly: there isn't block_dump in man proc |
| 10:56.44 | obiwan_ | i found about it via google |
| 10:56.47 | jelly | Supaplex: it's not there in lenny. let the user have their alias. |
| 10:56.50 | Supaplex | ifup/ifdown? |
| 10:57.00 | enthus | Hi all...I want to run a kde game in debian(lenny) Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686. i want to compile and run the source code so please anyone help!! |
| 10:57.18 | jelly | obiwan_: that's why I didn't tell you to "man proc" |
| 10:57.20 | Supaplex | it's been a good six months, but afaik iproute was lagging in the base support. |
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| 10:57.34 | Supaplex | !tell enthus -about search |
| 10:57.40 | obiwan_ | jelly: so wheere they speak about block_dump? |
| 10:57.43 | Supaplex | enthus: is there a package for it? |
| 10:57.47 | obiwan_ | jelly: i mean, in system |
| 10:58.09 | jelly | obiwan_: Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt in kernel sources ( just google for /proc/sys/vm/block_dump) |
| 10:58.25 | obiwan_ | yeah i googled exactly that heheh thanks :) |
| 10:58.42 | enthus | Supaplex: i just installed using synaptic package manager,but got the source code from khangman website |
| 10:58.49 | nettezzaumana | babilen, Supaple, jelly :: uff, i am pure rpm guy and now know, that i need a post-up trigger for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:59.05 | nettezzaumana | thanks to all .. and wake up guys, iz year of 2010 |
| 10:59.09 | obiwan_ | heck, i'm giving up |
| 10:59.10 | stephane_ | Hi I've no more updates since saterday on my Debian-Sid is that normal ? |
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| 10:59.22 | jelly | nettezzaumana: yes, and a down when deconfiguring could be nice as well |
| 10:59.23 | obiwan_ | i'll have to restart if i want my motherhecking partition unmounted |
| 10:59.50 | simonrvn | nettezzaumana: if it were up to us, and not the maintainer, it'd be already done. criticising us isn't called for. |
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| 11:01.21 | nettezzaumana | jelly: is long time ago i used debian .. now i am doing some maintenance on my server with uptime about 5years |
| 11:01.34 | nettezzaumana | jelly: sorry for bad q |
| 11:01.35 | simonrvn | i'm pretty sure there's a reason it's lagging in debian... (i don't see why though, clarification welcome) |
| 11:01.50 | Supaplex | nettezzaumana: patches welcome ;) |
| 11:02.01 | jelly | nettezzaumana: np. Be careful not to mistakenly upgrade your machine. |
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| 11:02.38 | nettezzaumana | jelly: no worry mate :D .. thanks for care |
| 11:03.17 | simonrvn | !incoming |
| 11:03.18 | dpkg | incoming is probably to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable (see <break>) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/resources.html#incoming-system |
| 11:03.24 | jelly | nettezzaumana: old debian installs have " .... stable " in /etc/apt/sources.list. Change that to "sarge" or "etch" or whatever debian release you have installed, before doing any package installations |
| 11:04.12 | nettezzaumana | Supaplex & jelly :: post-up $somecommand |
| 11:04.25 | nettezzaumana | cool .. regards to all .. ave, daniel |
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| 11:04.48 | Supaplex | so we're suppose to get with 2010 with a 5 year old box. right. :p |
| 11:05.03 | simonrvn | yeh really - sheesh |
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| 11:05.53 | Supaplex | dpkg: wb |
| 11:05.54 | dpkg | thanks, supaplex. It's good to be back. |
| 11:09.33 | wald0 | i have a rsync process that doesn't die with kill -9, how i can terminate it ? it is a zombie process, defunct, ps aux says "D+" for his parent |
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| 11:11.19 | Supaplex | wald0: it cant until the kernel returns the read()/write() it's stuck in. |
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| 11:11.46 | Supaplex | uh, if it's really a zombie, then the parent needs to read the exit code |
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| 11:11.57 | stephane_ | anybodys have problemes with updates on debian-sid since saterday or it's juste me ? |
| 11:12.07 | babilen | stephane_: problems? |
| 11:12.13 | babilen | !tell stephane_ -about ries |
| 11:12.14 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 11:12.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 11:12.33 | babilen | stephane_: What kind of problems do you experience? |
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| 11:13.53 | simonrvn | i doubt it's an actual problem, there's some reason why, probably something holding up the queue, or it's locked down. read debian-devel-announce maybe |
| 11:14.17 | simonrvn | people get all freaky when sid slows down, like they're missing their sid-crack fix |
| 11:14.37 | themill | dpkg: tell simonrvn about ries |
| 11:15.02 | simonrvn | ah there ya go |
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| 11:15.06 | simonrvn | thanks dude |
| 11:15.07 | themill | And yes, anyone using sid probably should be subscribed to d-d-a. They are part of the development process, after all. |
| 11:15.35 | wald0 | Supaplex: i have leave a rsync command during the night while i was sleeping, now i see that is blocked on it (and using cpu), but it should have finished during the night for sure (not much data) |
| 11:15.55 | milligan__ | Anyone here use m0n0wall ? |
| 11:16.06 | wald0 | Supaplex: what i can do ? i dont want to unplug this external HD while working... im worried about his data and the filesystem |
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| 11:16.45 | Supaplex | wald0: rsync is resiliant. you can terminate it and run it again. results should be the same. |
| 11:16.55 | Supaplex | as long as it finishes etc. |
| 11:17.42 | wald0 | Supaplex: the problem is that i can't finish it, i have tried all the kill signals, even 9 |
| 11:18.01 | wald0 | oh.. finally, has finished now |
| 11:18.08 | wald0 | this HD has a slow sync aparently |
| 11:19.44 | simonrvn | stephane_: /msg dpkg ries |
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| 11:20.10 | Supaplex | humm interesting. |
| 11:20.11 | babilen | simonrvn: done already - no reply :-\ |
| 11:20.21 | simonrvn | er? |
| 11:20.41 | babilen | simonrvn: I already used the mighty !tell on stephane_ |
| 11:21.18 | simonrvn | yeh, ok |
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| 11:21.44 | simonrvn | you used the -about syntax, it'll only tell you that it did it, not the actual factoid contents |
| 11:22.07 | simonrvn | (which is something i want to implement in the supy plugin ;p) |
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| 11:23.00 | stephane_ | simonrvn babilen and dpkg I'd juste read the message about ftpmaster thats to you |
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| 11:25.10 | babilen | stephane_: So your problems were indeed "I don't get updates" ? |
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| 11:26.13 | aguitel | how long is the supports of debian lenny ? |
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| 11:27.37 | Supaplex | *YAWN* (( ( Contagious Where Available ) )) |
| 11:27.47 | nvz | haha |
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| 11:28.19 | nvz | I should be.. sure as hell didn't sleep. But surprisingly don't feel that tired |
| 11:28.31 | Supaplex | 5:30am here |
| 11:28.36 | nvz | spoke too soon.. just yawned |
| 11:28.45 | Supaplex | buhuhahaa |
| 11:28.47 | nvz | its 7:30am here |
| 11:29.15 | nvz | contemplating giving this smoothwall a go |
| 11:30.07 | Supaplex | I think I'm ready to dare tftp booting with usb rootfs. then to format hda as the usual /boot/ (it's 16mb) |
| 11:30.11 | babilen | aguitel: min(2053, release_date(squeeze) +1 year) |
| 11:30.43 | nvz | I just did a pixie boot for the first time about a month ago |
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| 11:31.20 | aguitel | babilen, what is 2053 |
| 11:31.24 | EugenMayer | anyway to find out if bacula-dir is compiled with --enable-bat ? As debian has the bacula-console-qt (BAT) it should actually be included? |
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| 11:32.21 | nvz | I'd like to have a damn workshop of my own, that way I can have things likke a netboot server, local package mirror..etc available all the time. It was kinda a PITA temporarily setting up my netbook as a netboot server then having to unplug the box that was booting from it and plug it back into the switch to get internet to finish the process |
| 11:32.58 | Supaplex | hah. yeoch |
| 11:33.54 | nvz | nothing makes ya realize how tired you are like people talking about stuff you don't know squat about |
| 11:34.18 | nvz | if I had to guess bacula is a client/server backup deal |
| 11:34.53 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 11:35.04 | nvz | goes back to watching Numb3rs |
| 11:35.27 | wallunit | Can i mark a package as removed without actual removing its files? |
| 11:35.29 | nvz | or as my little brother calls it, num-three-ers |
| 11:35.36 | babilen | aguitel: the year 2053 - it is quite likely though that squeeze will be released before 2052 ;) |
| 11:35.40 | nvz | wallunit: why would you want to do that? |
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| 11:35.59 | babilen | wallunit: I don't think so. What are you trying to do? |
| 11:36.44 | nvz | you surely can, but I don't tell people who I don't believe are trying to kill themselves how to comit suicide |
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| 11:37.40 | nvz | when you explain to me what you are really trying to do, and we don't reach a better solution, then I'll tell you how to fool the package system into breaking |
| 11:37.42 | babilen | nvz: Well, almost everyhting is possible - I am just not aware of a "--do-not-remove-files" option to apt-get/aptitude |
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| 11:38.03 | Supaplex | there's ways... |
| 11:38.04 | nvz | babilen: yeah the trick is to not use apt-get or aptitude ;) |
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| 11:38.17 | brain_eater | hi, whenever I try to copy files onto an external drive (usb/sd card), the changes appear to be made until I unplug (and replug) the device (they disappear). The problem persists when I cp files manually instead of using nautilus. I can work around this strange behaviour by copying the files as root. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 11:38.32 | babilen | nvz: yeah, but to manually edit ... well, let's leave it there :) |
| 11:38.35 | brain_eater | i'm running stable (lenny) by the way |
| 11:38.36 | nvz | babilen: first of all status is dpkg's job anyhow, 2ndly, you wont actually use the app to do something that is stupid, cause it knows better |
| 11:39.06 | babilen | nvz: I don't argue with you |
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| 11:39.22 | nvz | babilen: (; |
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| 11:43.04 | Supaplex | nvz: what ever happened to debian.exe btw? I've been working hellish weeks and never had a chance to update that |
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| 11:43.44 | nvz | Supaplex: are you talking about that installer that bootstraps from windows? |
| 11:43.51 | Supaplex | yup |
| 11:44.10 | nvz | hmm.. idk.. I thought it was a damn good idea, but I've never seen it work |
| 11:44.35 | nvz | was confused why you randomly asked me about that like I had something to do with it or like we had a previous conversation |
| 11:44.51 | Supaplex | did you have anything to do with developing it? |
| 11:44.57 | nvz | haha |
| 11:45.12 | nvz | the only thing I develop is heartburn |
| 11:45.20 | Supaplex | okay :) |
| 11:45.46 | nvz | I just heard about goodbye-windows.com or whatever it was called |
| 11:46.02 | Supaplex | I saw the domain changed hands, but I have mine |
| 11:46.10 | nvz | I tried it once just for the hell of it, it didn't work too well.. ended up just booting windows again |
| 11:46.38 | nvz | seemed to install grub but failed to actually boot the installer |
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| 11:48.02 | Supaplex | my bad. it's rmh I'm thinking of. |
| 11:48.14 | nvz | Supaplex: I just got my hands on Igor's time machine last night, but haven't tried it out yet. Haven't played supaplex in ages though ;) |
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| 11:49.20 | nvz | Supaplex: it either runs too fast, or the sprites chop when I try emulate it. On qemu/vbox it runs super fast even with the speedfix, and on dosbox/bochs it runs normal speed, but left/right movement chops the sprites up and it annoys me the way it jerks |
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| 11:49.52 | Supaplex | pats his trusty geninue 386sx16 |
| 11:50.05 | Supaplex | yeah. I keep it just for this one game. |
| 11:50.14 | nvz | hah. I used to have two Compaq Deskpro 386's no idea what I ever did with those |
| 11:50.36 | nvz | I think one was the 16 and the other was the 20 |
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| 11:51.09 | Supaplex | I think this one has 16mb or 32mb of ram in it |
| 11:51.24 | nvz | I really need to get my own computer workshop one of these days. |
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| 11:51.52 | nvz | so I have a place to keep shit. I usually end up offloading anything I don;t use for a while on my buddy dave cause he has a shop |
| 11:51.55 | Supaplex | my friends nickname my office "norad" |
| 11:52.38 | nvz | that dude pisses me off. He's got a nice little shop, full of junk.. and its never been open to the public as long as I've known him |
| 11:53.23 | nvz | he's come at me once with an offer, and I've come at him once and tried to work with him.. but in general the dude is too paranoid for business to say the least |
| 11:53.34 | Supaplex | humm |
| 11:54.09 | Supaplex | well, it looks like she's booting beau'fully |
| 11:54.22 | Supaplex | 70% used is a lot for /boot :P |
| 11:54.31 | nvz | hah |
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| 11:55.18 | nvz | this box I threw together for this router seems to have a roughly 8gb drive in it, and I thought that was small |
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| 11:55.42 | nvz | though I remember back in the day having a 286 with a 10mb hd and thinking that was more than I could ever use |
| 11:55.45 | Supaplex | 16mb hda, 2gb usb stick |
| 11:56.23 | nvz | thats just sad having a machine new enough to support USB and it has only a 16mb hd |
| 11:56.33 | Supaplex | it's a thin client |
| 11:57.25 | nvz | sounds like an anorexic client to me |
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| 11:57.28 | Supaplex | pretty much the same as http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html but 16mb flash vs 64mb. |
| 11:57.35 | Supaplex | haha. indeed |
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| 11:58.02 | nvz | 16mb flash sounds like a f'n router appliance |
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| 11:58.27 | wols | it is a router. and 16MB is a LOT for a router |
| 11:58.33 | JohnNew | how can I find my mac address in debian? |
| 11:58.39 | rvsjoen | johnnew: ifconfig |
| 11:58.39 | nvz | they got several make/model routers out there that are under $100 with decent CPUs, usb, and more rom than that in them these days |
| 11:58.40 | wols | JohnNew: ifconfig |
| 11:59.30 | Supaplex | nvz: the thin client cost me $4. usb, technically free. |
| 11:59.52 | nvz | Supaplex: hah, yard sale? |
| 12:00.05 | Supaplex | university surplus |
| 12:00.34 | Supaplex | bought 50 of em before they were headed to the dump. |
| 12:00.41 | nvz | sweet |
| 12:00.50 | simonrvn | Supaplex: holy crap. send me one ? :) |
| 12:01.11 | nvz | reminds me of those phones Tim Riker was working on.. hah |
| 12:01.13 | simonrvn | 'needs' something like that |
| 12:01.16 | Supaplex | I sold all but like 10 of them for $150 beefed up wrt'z |
| 12:01.35 | simonrvn | ow |
| 12:01.46 | simonrvn | well good for you |
| 12:01.57 | nvz | just admitted he follows Tim's website to see what he's up to from time to time |
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| 12:02.20 | Supaplex | I need to apt-get install more zzZzzZ. ttyl. |
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| 12:02.29 | nvz | later |
| 12:02.33 | simonrvn | Supaplex: see ya |
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| 12:13.23 | brentos | Hi room. Quick and (slightly dumb) question. I have an executable in /usr/bin that I want to sgid. I chmod g+s on the executable, but it keeps the group of the executing user (not the one specified as the executable's group). Is there something quirky in Debian that I have to do to get this working? |
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| 12:15.06 | wols | !room |
| 12:15.06 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:15.16 | nvz | wanders off to watch numb3rs |
| 12:15.26 | wols | brentos: is it a script? |
| 12:15.37 | brentos | wols: No, binary. |
| 12:16.15 | brentos | wols: hercules to be precise (which is a whole other sort of fun) |
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| 12:18.03 | ikthus | olé |
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| 12:22.27 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool similar to pfstat for linux. Thanks. |
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| 12:23.36 | boymeetsworld | I'm a new linux user, tried Fedora and Ubuntu before and want to move to Debian. Could you please tell me how debian handles pppoe? |
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| 12:24.33 | babilen | boymeetsworld: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
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| 12:25.32 | boymeetsworld | babilen, Thank you very much sir. |
| 12:27.37 | boymeetsworld | babilen, And how does debian get along with flash? I had experienced low fps under other distros....I saw it's a common problem in the linux world. |
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| 12:29.47 | _TheAvatar | On nics for PCI/PCI-E etc there's a metal plate on the back. Normal or low-profile. Anybody knows if I can get those metal plates as is (no card) for Intel NICs? |
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| 12:30.12 | babilen | boymeetsworld: Yes, flash can be quite resource hungry. There are various ways to install flash (free implementations/adobe version) on Debian |
| 12:30.26 | babilen | !flash |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 12:30.30 | babilen | boymeetsworld: ^^^^ |
| 12:30.51 | babilen | boymeetsworld: If you need further information "/msg dpkg swfdec" (or the others) |
| 12:31.00 | boymeetsworld | babilen, Thank you, I will give Debian a try. :) |
| 12:31.11 | boymeetsworld | babilen, Thank you for your help, |
| 12:31.23 | wols | babilen: "can be"? |
| 12:31.37 | babilen | wols: "is" ? |
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| 12:32.57 | boymeetsworld | babilen, And another thing...how can I install my driver for my ati card? |
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| 12:33.57 | mbruins | hi, i just installed debian with xorg and gnome-core. my laptop wifi doesnt work yet (and i understand because i do not choose full features) but how can i fix it myself. im think about a driver or something but maybe that to windows minded |
| 12:34.19 | babilen | boymeetsworld: There are also various possibilities. I would recommend the radeon or radeonhd drivers, but you might want the fglrx driver. "/msg dpkg ati" to read about it |
| 12:34.23 | wols | mbruins: what wlan chip is it? |
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| 12:34.51 | babilen | mbruins: Please paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
| 12:35.11 | wols | babilen: lspci still isn't in the base install right? |
| 12:35.16 | babilen | mbruins: And please don't double post ... |
| 12:35.24 | mbruins | babilen: 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01) |
| 12:35.46 | wols | groans |
| 12:35.46 | mbruins | babilen: sorry though it were two different networks |
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| 12:36.04 | babilen | wols: Not entirely sure - it's in pciutils which is Priority: standard ... |
| 12:36.16 | mbruins | wols: looks like it is. ive got a pretty minimal installation |
| 12:36.25 | mbruins | wols: but maybe gnome-core grabbed it |
| 12:36.29 | boymeetsworld | babilen, thanks |
| 12:36.35 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4311 |
| 12:36.37 | judd | [14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 12:36.53 | wols | !tell mbruins about wl |
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| 12:37.54 | mbruins | wols: babilen: thanks |
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| 13:03.14 | OpenTokix | If I install the 2.6.32 kernel from sid. Is it possible to change the scheduler setting? |
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| 13:05.28 | simonrvn | OpenTokix: you've been able to that for a long time: elevator=schedulername in kernel options |
| 13:05.28 | simonrvn | OpenTokix: kernel boot options* |
| 13:05.28 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: oh, cool |
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| 13:18.00 | srv | I just installed the package "debian-faq", please tell me how to use it. |
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| 13:19.42 | Titan8990 | srv: dpkg -L debian-faq to list files. most likely it just put various documentation files in /usr/share/doc/debian-faq |
| 13:20.05 | srv | Titan8990, thank you |
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| 13:22.09 | srv | wow very nice package |
| 13:22.19 | Rezagrats | When installing debian... what's the difference between Laptop and Dekstop environment |
| 13:22.20 | Rezagrats | ? |
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| 13:22.37 | srv | GNU/Linux bliss |
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| 13:22.52 | Argafal | i wanted to find out about raw therapee. It changed its license to GPL, does anyone know about plans for a debian package in the future? |
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| 13:24.09 | rael | openbox don't apply my keybinds in rc.xml even they are correct ! can you help me? |
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| 13:25.50 | peque | Hi all :). Has anybody used Debian-med or knows any app to keep the history of many patients; applied to medicine/pediatrics (not only personal data but also weight or that stuff so you can see after some kind of graphic or statistics of his evolution). Thanks for your help and sorry for my english ;) |
| 13:25.51 | rmrfchik | tired to find which application reset auto repeating mask to ffffffffffffffff |
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| 13:26.26 | aguitel | Rezagrats, http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 13:26.27 | gottto | rael: don't you have to restart openbox for those to take effect? |
| 13:26.41 | rael | yes I did |
| 13:26.53 | gottto | k |
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| 13:27.31 | Rezagrats | Aguitel, can the laptop thing be installed AFTER i install Debian ? :s |
| 13:27.52 | rudi_s | Rezagrats: Of course. |
| 13:28.27 | Rezagrats | Is it just called 'laptop' ? |
| 13:28.31 | aguitel | Rezagrats, for expample what |
| 13:28.40 | aguitel | yes |
| 13:28.49 | Rezagrats | Ok, cool. :D |
| 13:28.59 | aguitel | tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 13:30.48 | rael | here is the pastbin http://debian.pastebin.com/iZtjwyVr I don't see any wrong |
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| 13:47.22 | solars | hey, I'm a little confused - when setting up wpa2 psk, does it work with wireless-fubar in interfaces or do I still need wpa-key-mgmt wpa-psk etc? |
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| 13:50.39 | ikthus | émp scurnoid |
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| 13:58.28 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here familar with rrdtool. I am trying to insert some data programatically. |
| 14:00.08 | rvsjoen | there are libraries for that in most languages |
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| 14:00.38 | Led_Zeppelin | well yes. Lets not even worry about the libraries. I need some help updateing a rrd file. Even with bash |
| 14:00.50 | rvsjoen | ok |
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| 14:04.47 | bassliner | ez there, i'm trying to find "dvdrecord" for debian and i can't figure out what package it's in - any help? |
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| 14:05.26 | rvsjoen | !tell bassliner about apt-file |
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| 14:07.15 | corretico | hi |
| 14:08.22 | althaser | whats a good application to manage init scripts ? |
| 14:08.32 | corretico | someone have a debian iso file with framebuffer active.... my computer crash and i want to install my new debian with a little tux on the top on the bootscreen |
| 14:08.36 | corretico | help me please |
| 14:08.42 | rvsjoen | althaser: update-rc.d |
| 14:09.00 | rvsjoen | althaser: or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 14:09.16 | corretico | at this time i only have a guindos machine... and i need my debian back |
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| 14:09.18 | bassliner | rvsjoen: i already looked with apt-file search without result too |
| 14:09.31 | babilen | althaser: rcconf and sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:09.47 | rvsjoen | is that so, my apt-file search dvdrecord' says dvdrtools: /usr/bin/dvdrecord |
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| 14:10.18 | althaser | well I selected aiccu with both rcconf and sysv-rc-conf and it doesn't start :s |
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| 14:10.53 | babilen | althaser: Have you tried /etc/init.d/aiccu start ? |
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| 14:11.29 | althaser | babilen yes, and it works as well |
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| 14:12.05 | althaser | rvsjoen babilen thanks |
| 14:12.06 | babilen | althaser: But the init script is not executed on boot, or what is your problem? |
| 14:12.30 | althaser | babilen yes, that's my problem aiccu doesn't load on boot |
| 14:12.36 | mathbr | Hi. Is linux-image-2.6.33-2-amd64 from Experimental supposed to work with the good old /dev/hd? entries? |
| 14:12.48 | althaser | I will try again with sysv-rc-conf all selected |
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| 14:13.23 | mathbr | It stops waiting for the root file system. |
| 14:13.41 | bassliner | rvsjoen: ah, found it, had to apt-file update first. |
| 14:13.44 | bassliner | rvsjoen: thanks. |
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| 14:24.14 | User_007 | have Squeeze frozen? 4 days without updates |
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| 14:24.48 | simonrvn | !ries |
| 14:24.48 | dpkg | ries.debian.org is the server behind ftp-master.debian.org (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=ries http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg00010.html . Ask me about <dda>. |
| 14:25.22 | User_007 | ohh, ok, ty |
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| 14:26.24 | abrotman | !news |
| 14:26.29 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 14:27.03 | abrotman | maybe we should have like a !debian-news pointing to a pile of other factoids ? |
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| 14:27.56 | simonrvn | that's a good idea |
| 14:28.41 | simonrvn | !debian-news is <reply> See: <ries> (/msg dpkg <factoid> (no <>)) |
| 14:28.41 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | the dpkg 'news' item is disabled |
| 14:28.47 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | actually .. you should probably re-arrange |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | adds extraneous hyphens |
| 14:29.16 | simonrvn | be my guesst. that's a proposal only |
| 14:29.21 | simonrvn | guest* |
| 14:29.34 | abrotman | things like <lenny> <etch security support> <ries> <java fucked (orwhateveritis)> |
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| 14:30.25 | keyser | hi my ibm think pad T41 keeps making a beeping sound and it wont stop |
| 14:30.35 | simonrvn | too hot? |
| 14:30.48 | keyser | nah im not using bat just cable. |
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| 14:31.27 | keyser | modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 14:31.30 | keyser | doesnt work.... |
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| 14:31.38 | themill | wonders how many times we're going to have to tell User_007 that. |
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| 14:31.54 | simonrvn | 5 more times? |
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| 14:32.58 | SparFux | themill: I bet 7 times! |
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| 14:37.12 | albech | can anyone tell me what has gone wrong here? This is the errors I am getting when trying to install vim, but it could have been any package: http://paste.debian.net/66631 |
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| 14:38.07 | Titan8990 | !locale |
| 14:38.07 | dpkg | hmm... locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. |
| 14:38.10 | wols | !tell albech about locales |
| 14:38.30 | Am1ne | !jesus |
| 14:38.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs), or a common Spanish name. |
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| 14:39.35 | ikthus | albech, have you asked in #vim ? |
| 14:39.57 | albech | ikthus, this is not related to vim |
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| 14:40.26 | wols | albech: you got your answer. twice |
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| 14:40.52 | Titan8990 | although, one was quicker than the other :p |
| 14:40.53 | albech | ikthus, installing any package will give this kind of output, i just installed vim.. and yes wols, I am looking at it |
| 14:41.02 | cyres | alguien de habla hispana para una pregunta sobre squid |
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| 14:41.15 | babilen | !es |
| 14:41.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:41.16 | pipeline | cyres: #debian-es |
| 14:41.19 | oal | I'm trying to install php5-mysql, but it wants me to install Apache too |
| 14:41.28 | cyres | thansk |
| 14:41.37 | babilen | cyres: Or speak English in here :) |
| 14:41.43 | cyres | ok.. |
| 14:42.04 | oal | I don't want Apache, I'm using another web server. Can I install it without? |
| 14:42.18 | Titan8990 | oal: install it without recommends |
| 14:42.34 | oal | Titan8990: How would I do that? |
| 14:42.58 | Titan8990 | oal: aptitude --without-recommends install <foob> |
| 14:43.20 | oal | What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 14:43.28 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 14:43.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 14:43.49 | oal | Ah, thanks |
| 14:43.54 | cyres | I have an application running on winxp and at her through the proxy fails to make the connectio |
| 14:43.58 | themill | more likely, install some other version of php5 at the same time. |
| 14:44.21 | Titan8990 | themill: eh? |
| 14:44.50 | cyres | Enable transparent proxy if it stop working |
| 14:45.03 | themill | Titan8990: the dependency is for *a* version of php5, which could be php5's apache module, the cli version or the cgi version |
| 14:45.12 | cyres | but disable transparent proxy this work |
| 14:45.15 | cyres | start |
| 14:45.27 | Titan8990 | themill: ah, ok |
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| 14:52.15 | albech | what is the name of the vim package that add coloring in bash scripts? |
| 14:52.30 | themill | !vim syntax highlighting |
| 14:52.30 | dpkg | methinks vim syntax highlighting is a way to make <vim> highlight script or source code syntax. Install the vim package and type ':syntax on' when in vim. You can have it enabled every time by adding 'syntax on' to your ~/.vimrc file. See http://vimdoc.sf.net/htmldoc/syntax.html . See also <colored pager>. |
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| 14:57.43 | muddd | when I'm installing debian from the first cd, can i enable the bigmem kernel from there or just do it aftewards? I think I'm going to have to manually set the swap files size since it only sees 1gig instead of 2gigs of Ram i have |
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| 14:59.42 | wols | muddd: you don't need a bigmem kernel. you don't really want one either |
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| 14:59.52 | wols | the reason it only sees 1GB is since it uses the -486 kernel |
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| 15:02.08 | muddd | eh? Why don't I want one? I'm running it on this machine after I upgraded to 2 gigs, now I'm trying to install on this laptop and it has 2 gigs... |
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| 15:06.17 | wols | cause a bigmem kernel is only useful at 3 or 4GB and more |
| 15:06.19 | wols | not before |
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| 15:06.35 | abrotman | muddd: uname -r .. says what ? |
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| 15:07.23 | pipeline | muddd: that doesn't sound right. The default debian kernels will do 3G, they're not affected by the old 896M limit. You must have built a custom kernel. |
| 15:07.25 | muddd | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem on my machine here, but I'm trying to install debian on a laptop and just wanted it to see 2g so I wouldn't have to manually set the swap part. to 1g instead of 500m |
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| 15:08.04 | abrotman | muddd: on the machine that isn't working correctly, that's the one that matters |
| 15:08.32 | muddd | ah so I may have the wrong cd? i recently downloaded it from the debian site. |
| 15:08.53 | muddd | lemme find where i got it |
| 15:08.55 | abrotman | muddd: on the machine that isn't working correctly, what does 'uname -r' say |
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| 15:09.20 | muddd | nothing because I haven't installed debian on it yet. |
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| 15:09.33 | abrotman | then how do you know it only sees 1GB ? |
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| 15:10.16 | lewis22 | what happened to php5-imagick for squeeze/testing? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5-imagick |
| 15:10.35 | muddd | err, I'm assuming because it automatically assigned the swap file to ~512MB and when I switched over to F2 and did cat /proc/meminfo it only shows 1G? |
| 15:11.10 | Titan8990 | 11:01 < wols> the reason it only sees 1GB is since it uses the -486 kernel |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | i've never let it auto-assign swap |
| 15:11.33 | abrotman | and that's the installer, the amount of RAM it sees isn't really useful .. do you think the installer requires 2GB? |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | lewis22: did you check the BTS ? |
| 15:12.17 | lewis22 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-imagick.html |
| 15:12.21 | jhutchins_lt | muddd: In the 1-2G range memory size has nothing to do with which kernel you use. |
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| 15:12.32 | lewis22 | looks like development has stopped I guess... |
| 15:12.39 | rooisto47 | hi everybody, here is what I want to do : I've a laptop with an ethernet eth0 and wireless wlan0 interfaces, eth0 is connected to a network ( itself connected to internet), and I want to make other laptops connect to internet via a wireless network (that will create using my wlan0) is that possible if yes, how can I make it or How is this called that I search tutos ?! thx |
| 15:13.01 | muddd | Ok I'll install it and see what happens |
| 15:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | muddd: bigmem is for greater than 4G - and since standard SMP kernels can handle more than 4G in 32b mode now, I'm not sure what bigmem is actually intended for. |
| 15:13.30 | jhutchins_lt | muddd: If it's only seeing 1G, it's most likely a hardware problem. |
| 15:13.37 | ngomes | rooisto47, u need to make your wlan0 a access point |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: the kernel doesn't have it enabled |
| 15:13.46 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: wouldn't it be more sensible to buy a real AP? |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | !tell ngomes about u |
| 15:14.01 | muddd | jhutchins_lt, thats weird. on my current machine I had 512mb ram, then upgraded to 2Gigs and it only saw 1G but that was fixed after installing the bigmem kernel |
| 15:14.03 | Titan8990 | I can understand in a pinch maybe.... |
| 15:14.12 | knnk | rooisto47: this might help http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html |
| 15:14.18 | rooisto47 | ping debhelper |
| 15:14.19 | ngomes | abrotman, :))))) |
| 15:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: which what enabled? |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | too much misinformation .. |
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| 15:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Is there a memory limit on 32b kernels < 4G? |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: have you looked at the kernel configs? |
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| 15:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Not the current Deb ones. |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 15:17.07 | yow | hi everyone. i wonder if any of u still remember me. i was having problem with rsync b4, twice actually. however, i've had them sorted. actually, it was my mistake. |
| 15:17.37 | yow | firstly, i told u guys that i was rsync'ing between 2 ext3 systems. later, i realised that i must have used an external USB drive during the transfer at one point. the usb drive partition which i used is a FAT32 partition. |
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| 15:17.51 | yow | i also found out that those files which failed to be rsync'ed have both files in upper & lower cases. hence, it must be caused by the FAT32 partition during the transfer. |
| 15:18.05 | yow | my second failed rsync operation was due to my mistake where i type the wrong destination directory name. |
| 15:18.16 | yow | actually, i just started learing to use rsync lately and i really find it very useful, should be better than cp over samba and scp. |
| 15:18.22 | ngomes | jhutchins_lt, u cant have more than 4GB in a 32bit architecture |
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| 15:18.47 | rooisto47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.54 | abrotman | !tell ngomes about u |
| 15:18.56 | llutz | ngomes: you can, using PAE |
| 15:19.00 | yow | that's my experience, i hope it may be useful to someone |
| 15:19.00 | ngomes | :DDDDDDD |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | ngomes: yes, you can |
| 15:19.08 | yow | thx for all ur help. |
| 15:19.17 | abrotman | !tell ngomes about wud |
| 15:19.22 | ngomes | !tell ngomes about PAE |
| 15:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I did not know there was any kernel option that would affect RAM < 4G, what am I looking for? |
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| 15:21.05 | mius | rooisto47: hostapd and iptables (masquerading) |
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| 15:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: pointer to a lart would be appreciated. |
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| 15:23.00 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: that question was answered the first time you asked... someone even gave you a detailed guide |
| 15:23.08 | ewet | hi, is there a 5min way to simply change the dependencies of miro in testing from xulrunner-1.9 to xulrunner-1.9.1 in the control file? Miro is broken just because of that.. |
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| 15:23.42 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, I was deconnected |
| 15:23.56 | rooisto47 | mius how ? |
| 15:24.04 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: there is the -486 kernel, which obviously cannot see more than 900MB, the standard which have CONFIG_HIGHMEM_4GB set so they only really see 3.3GB and the -bigmem that have a limit of 64GB (CONFIG_HIGHMEM_64GB) |
| 15:24.37 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: you said "ping debhelper" 1min after you were given the guide... |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: this is all in the i386 architecture .. obviously amd64 wouldn't have these limits |
| 15:25.09 | rooisto47 | :s I didn't recieve anythink in that case |
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| 15:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: so a 486 would need bigmem to see 2G then? |
| 15:25.29 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, can you copy/past the answer for me |
| 15:25.39 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: a real 486? wouldn't happen, not possible |
| 15:25.56 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: there are few RAM options in Processor types and features section |
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| 15:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: So the idea that you'd need a different kernel to see 2G vs 1G/512m is bogus. |
| 15:26.18 | Titan8990 | 11:15 < knnk> rooisto47: this might help http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: not at all .. if you've somehow managed to install the -486 kernel on a 686 and you have 2GB of RAM then, yes, you would need the standard -686 kernel |
| 15:27.05 | rooisto47 | thx Titan8990 and knnk |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: but you would not need the -686-bigmem |
| 15:27.24 | knnk | rooisto47: good luck |
| 15:27.44 | rooisto47 | :) |
| 15:28.49 | wols | ewet: recompile it |
| 15:29.50 | miodi_ | hey people, any advice on how to get sanskrit fonts working? |
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| 15:30.42 | muddd | Hmm. theres no way to tell what my last kernel version was is there |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | look in /boot/ maybe? |
| 15:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Ok, I'll brush up on this. I had memory size filed under "things we don't need to worry about anymore". |
| 15:31.08 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: yay 64bit! :) |
| 15:31.16 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: normally the installer chooses correctly |
| 15:31.34 | joshteam | Okay - I need some help guys.. I am trying to make the case here to go OFF of cent-os and onto Debian, b/c I <3 debian - but I need some arguments to make. Our focus is around LAMP as the main focus of the instance is to serve a high traffic website. I am going to talk about APC and it's conflict with CentOS- any other good args? |
| 15:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | There is another distro where any SMP kernel will automatically handle >4G. |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: all the i386 kernels are now SMP |
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| 15:32.14 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 15:32.14 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 15:32.38 | joshteam | abrotman ... that's not an argument as to what's wrong with CentOS though haha |
| 15:33.02 | knnk | joshteam: that seems like a big pain in the ass |
| 15:33.09 | abrotman | joshteam: perhaps not, but it does provide a 'why debian' .. as for why not CentOS .. is that even a question? :) |
| 15:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | remembers when all the HOWTOs began with "recompile your kernel to enable...". |
| 15:34.21 | Titan8990 | joshteam: I find debian and centos to have an equal level of quality and stability. It really comes down to preference |
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| 15:34.32 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: the gentoo howtos still read like that |
| 15:34.57 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Do they even bother to explicitly state it? |
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| 15:35.04 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 15:35.11 | knnk | jhutchins_lt: there are still benefits to custom compiling |
| 15:35.14 | wols | abrotman: the -486 kernel too? without apic and all? |
| 15:35.22 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: example: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | wols: i thought so .. i don't have any machines left using a -486 |
| 15:35.43 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: it even shows where in menuconfig to change the options :p |
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| 15:36.01 | themill | wols, abrotman: aiui, the 686 kernels are smp, the 486 ones are not |
| 15:36.11 | wols | themill: exactly my thought |
| 15:36.25 | wols | since there simply aren't any 486 SMP machines (some abominations notwithstanding) |
| 15:36.30 | abrotman | will have to find an SMP 486 to test .. off to ebay! |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | 0 results found for dual processor 486 |
| 15:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | Coprocessor yes, dual processor no. |
| 15:37.29 | abrotman | there are SMP 486s |
| 15:37.33 | wols | abrotman: you want one from sequent computer systems |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | has his own 486 in the closet |
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| 15:37.50 | abrotman | it holds up a ppc mac :) |
| 15:37.54 | wols | has a 486 as a footstool right now |
| 15:38.02 | wols | need to power it on once more soonish |
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| 15:41.07 | muddd | I'll be darned the installer picked the right kernel and shows my memory |
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| 15:41.32 | pipeline | abrotman, wols, themill : there were many smp 486 machines, but there was no standard for doing 486 smp. Every chipset was radically different from every other. |
| 15:41.40 | muddd | installer set my swap drive to 481908 though, only saw the 1gig during install |
| 15:42.04 | abrotman | themill: i'm looking at the -486 in a moment |
| 15:42.06 | muddd | is half a gig ok for 2gigs ram? |
| 15:42.12 | pipeline | abrotman, wols, themill : with pentium and above, intel published standard methods to set up a doohickey |
| 15:42.27 | pipeline | muddd: as a rule of thumb I like to use 1.5x or 2x memory for swap. Disk space is cheap, after all. |
| 15:42.41 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm aware of the smp 486 machines .. i wasn't the one that said they didn't exist |
| 15:42.52 | themill | wonders why pipeline thinks he cares |
| 15:43.02 | abrotman | i just thought the -486 kernels were smp-capable |
| 15:43.02 | pipeline | tough shit, themill |
| 15:43.09 | pipeline | you're on irc, pedanticism is the least of your worries |
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| 15:43.55 | themill | pipeline: I was only saying that the Debian -486 kernels aren't compiled for any sort of SMP. The history of computing is another subject again. |
| 15:44.39 | abrotman | will find out! |
| 15:44.59 | SparFux | How to configure sound in sun-java6-plugin ? |
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| 15:46.49 | Rezagrats | Ugh, i hate wireless... is there no simple way like on ubuntu (gnome) to connect to a wireless network ? |
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| 15:47.21 | babilen | Rezagrats: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse (esp network-manager and wicd) |
| 15:47.36 | abrotman | Rezagrats: you can install network-manager just like on ubuntu |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | or wicd |
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| 15:48.16 | Rezagrats | You think that would've come in one of the DVDs, abrotman ? |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 15:48.59 | Titan8990 | doesn't the 5 DVDs include *all* the packages? |
| 15:49.01 | babilen | Rezagrats: Quite likely actually |
| 15:49.10 | abrotman | i was wrong, no SMP for -486 |
| 15:49.12 | babilen | Titan8990: main at least IIRC |
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| 15:50.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions network-manager |
| 15:50.56 | judd | network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8-1; squeeze: 0.8-1 |
| 15:51.07 | Rezagrats | It looks like the package 'network-manager' was installed... but it doesn't seem to be working. i can't find the little icon to click on for a list of wireless access points. |
| 15:51.14 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, thinking of a different bot that said what repo things were in. |
| 15:51.24 | babilen | Rezagrats: Run "nm-applet" (Alt-F2) |
| 15:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | Rezagrats: Do you actually have a system tray? |
| 15:51.44 | themill | jhutchins_lt: they're all in debian "main" unless otherwise stated. |
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| 15:51.48 | Rezagrats | Yes, jhutchins_lt. |
| 15:52.08 | babilen | Rezagrats: So, what happens when you run nm-applet ? |
| 15:52.22 | Rezagrats | Nothing visible. |
| 15:52.29 | Rezagrats | Using alt+f2 |
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| 15:52.44 | babilen | try /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 15:53.00 | babilen | (i actually hate network-mangler) |
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| 15:53.25 | Aden- | hello |
| 15:53.26 | babilen | Rezagrats: You should also read the documentation for n-m and configure your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly |
| 15:53.31 | babilen | Aden-: welcome |
| 15:53.37 | Aden- | My questioN: what is the difference between debian 5 32 bit and 64 bit |
| 15:53.53 | babilen | Aden-: Well, on is 32bit and the other is 64bit :) |
| 15:53.57 | babilen | s/on/one |
| 15:54.05 | Aden- | I know a provider |
| 15:54.08 | Aden- | 256mb ram only offers |
| 15:54.09 | Aden- | 64 bit |
| 15:54.11 | Aden- | So thats ok if i buy it? |
| 15:54.19 | babilen | What? |
| 15:54.24 | Aden- | A linux vps (debian) |
| 15:55.08 | Aden- | And the company i want to buy from |
| 15:55.14 | Aden- | offers OS debian 64 bit only |
| 15:55.16 | Rezagrats | Babilen, i have 2 applets now but if i click on them i only get a grayed out option for 'o wired network' |
| 15:55.17 | Aden- | and the vps has 256mb ram |
| 15:55.27 | Aden- | So its ok if i buy it? |
| 15:55.34 | Aden- | i usually bought 32 bit |
| 15:55.37 | ssm | Aden-: Unless you're dealing with processes that needs many gigabytes of RAM, it does not matter |
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| 15:55.55 | babilen | Rezagrats: Ok "killall nm-applet" (and start one again) ... you have to configure your wireless adaptor and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:55.59 | Aden- | ok |
| 15:56.00 | Aden- | ty, bye |
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| 15:56.56 | babilen | Rezagrats: Is your wireless adaptor working already? If not --> paste "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here |
| 15:57.20 | Rezagrats | I don't know if i can get a paste over here, babilen. |
| 15:57.31 | babilen | Rezagrats: Also read the n-m documentation. You can access it either in /usr/share/doc/network-manager or read the wiki page |
| 15:58.12 | babilen | Rezagrats: Ok, i'm just interested in the PCIID. That is the ID in [] at the end and should look like [abcd:1234] |
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| 15:59.14 | Lemonator | I'm using an eee pc 1005pe |
| 15:59.21 | Lemonator | but when I do acpitool --Asus, |
| 15:59.29 | Lemonator | it says "Sorry, but no Asus acpi extensions were found on this system" |
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| 16:00.14 | Rezagrats | Babilen, nothing is coming up at all. |
| 16:00.16 | Lemonator | furthermore, when I try to see what my battry status is? |
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| 16:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: So what makes you think the eee has any? |
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| 16:00.41 | Lemonator | I get "Discharging, nan%, 00:00:00" |
| 16:00.51 | Lemonator | well, eee pcs are made by asus, right? |
| 16:01.00 | Lemonator | why wouldn't it have asus extensions? |
| 16:01.03 | babilen | Rezagrats: do you see your card when you just do "lspci -nn" ? You might need a newer kernel. You can install one from backports.org |
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| 16:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: Same reason a Mustang doesn't have four wheel drive. |
| 16:02.05 | babilen | !tell Rezagrats -about what's my wireless |
| 16:02.13 | Lemonator | jhutchins_lt, you sure that's the case? |
| 16:02.45 | Lemonator | then how do I fix the nan% problem? |
| 16:02.58 | Rezagrats | Babilen, yeah. it's at the bottom of a list of everything on my netbook. |
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| 16:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: Do you have acpi-support-base installed? |
| 16:03.11 | babilen | Rezagrats: What is it then? |
| 16:03.35 | Lemonator | jhutchins_lt, yeah |
| 16:03.41 | Rezagrats | Atheros... [168c:001c] (rev. 01) |
| 16:03.52 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 16:03.54 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 16:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: I don't know for sure, I'm just pointing out that not all Asus chipsets necessarily have the extensions. |
| 16:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: There are suggestions that you might need the backports kernel and acpi- stuff. |
| 16:04.29 | babilen | !tell Rezagrats -about ath5k |
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| 16:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: I don't believe you mentioned which release you're running. |
| 16:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: Check dmesg for messages regardinc acpi. |
| 16:05.27 | Lemonator | This is on squeeze. |
| 16:05.43 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: Oh. All bets are off then, sorry. |
| 16:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | Lemonator: except "check dmesg". |
| 16:05.56 | babilen | Rezagrats: Check "iwconfig" and getting the interface up manually. You also *need* to configure n-m -> Read its documentation |
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| 16:06.50 | HaPe | witam |
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| 16:06.57 | wols | Lemonator: for your battery problem |
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| 16:07.44 | wols | Lemonator: and your acpi stuff is there too. read it |
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| 16:08.30 | Lemonator | wols, dmesg? |
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| 16:10.07 | wols | Lemonator: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA |
| 16:10.21 | aarkerio | Hi! how can I install server-xgl on squeeze? |
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| 16:10.44 | wols | aarkerio: you can't |
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| 16:11.03 | wols | aarkerio: and you can't install it on any other recent linux distro either |
| 16:12.02 | aarkerio | wols, I don't get it, why exist compiz packages? |
| 16:12.16 | wols | !wayttd aarkerio |
| 16:12.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aarkerio? |
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| 16:13.27 | aarkerio | well, I am a debian user since some years now, I always use WindowMaker or Openbox as my desktop |
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| 16:14.02 | aarkerio | but now I am in holidays and I want to play with that compiz stuff |
| 16:14.22 | esoft | hi all |
| 16:14.28 | aarkerio | I trying lxde as my new desktop and I wanna try DockIt and so |
| 16:14.50 | wols | and whatmakes you think you need 5 year old abandoned software for it? |
| 16:15.24 | Lemonator | oh cool. |
| 16:15.42 | aarkerio | so, I don't need XGL at all? |
| 16:16.17 | aarkerio | just compiz? I mean to get the "cube" changing desktop effect? |
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| 16:16.32 | esoft | anyone can suggest me an webcam compatible with linux? |
| 16:17.21 | aarkerio | esoft: don't buy a labtec brand |
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| 16:17.33 | leg- | esoft: I'd go for microsoft |
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| 16:21.15 | esoft | someone says no microsoft..... |
| 16:21.44 | wols | !uvc |
| 16:22.01 | wols | !uvcvideo |
| 16:22.01 | dpkg | uvcvideo is probably the Linux USB Video Class (UVC) driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.26. For Ricoh R5U87x webcams, ask me about <r5u87x>. Supported devices: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices . See also <gspca>, <webcam>. |
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| 16:25.26 | esoft | dpkg: very well. Tnx a lot ! |
| 16:25.26 | dpkg | esoft: I give up, what is it? |
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| 16:26.31 | nkuttler | is there some nice mysql gui client? i just need something to quickly clicky click and modify a few cells |
| 16:26.54 | wols | phpmyadmin? *g* |
| 16:26.59 | nkuttler | eeech |
| 16:27.07 | aarkerio | apt-cache search mysql gui |
| 16:27.15 | JyZyXEL | how do you bring up loop devices on startup? |
| 16:27.19 | JyZyXEL | with /etc/fstab? |
| 16:27.30 | nkuttler | er |
| 16:27.51 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: what kind of loop device? |
| 16:28.12 | JyZyXEL | losetup ones |
| 16:28.12 | wols | !tell JyZyXEL about mount iso |
| 16:28.46 | JyZyXEL | it also need to be initialized before /etc/crypttab does |
| 16:29.29 | JyZyXEL | the container cannot be mounted with fstab cause its encrypted |
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| 16:33.50 | JyZyXEL | so can fstab open a loop device without mounting it? |
| 16:34.04 | JyZyXEL | and will fstab do its thing before crypttab? |
| 16:35.31 | taras | are there any irc channel for backports support? |
| 16:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: fstab is just a table of attributes. It doesn't actually do anything. |
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| 16:37.16 | jhutchins_lt | taras: I think there's a mailing list, no IRC. |
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| 16:39.35 | aarkerio | hi! I am reading some directions: "Modify your X.org conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add composite" |
| 16:39.46 | aarkerio | but xorg.conf is empty |
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| 16:40.16 | aarkerio | how can I generate my current configuration? |
| 16:41.21 | babilen | !drxx |
| 16:41.21 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config> <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. For Etch, ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 16:41.35 | babilen | aarkerio: Which branch of Debian do you use? |
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| 16:41.57 | aarkerio | squeeze |
| 16:42.09 | babilen | !xorg config squeeze |
| 16:42.09 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 16:42.24 | babilen | aarkerio: have fun :) |
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| 16:44.26 | aarkerio | thx! |
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| 16:54.47 | wad | Hi folks. I'm installing mysql via apt-get, but from a script (setting up virtual machines). The install process prompts the user for the root password. Is there a way to avoid this prompt screen, supply it via the command line somehow? |
| 16:55.35 | wad | looks around |
| 16:55.51 | wad | asks his question in #mysql |
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| 16:56.51 | rooisto47 | I've a problem with openbox, keybind don' t take effect, even if the syntax are correct http://debian.pastebin.com/iZtjwyVr ? can you tell me why ? |
| 16:57.17 | mederEsite | can wget recursively download a file and all media files attached? |
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| 16:57.22 | mederEsite | do i need to specify recursion or smth |
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| 16:58.42 | hannken | Hi. I think that this matter is debian specific... In gnome-terminal, ctrl-w acts like ctrl-z... do the following to test it => find / -name test <= then click many times on ctrl-w.. can someone test this ? |
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| 17:01.19 | jaalto | How do you check in GNU Makefile if FILE is a symlink easily? |
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| 17:02.34 | qt-x | re all |
| 17:02.55 | \amethyst | jaalto: if [ -L FILE ]; then stuff; fi |
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| 17:03.46 | jaalto | \amethyst: Sorry, not in inside a make target, but I need to define a VARIABLE in a different way if the FILE' |
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| 17:04.18 | jaalto | ... is a symlink or not. Do I need to revert to $(shell ...) cann and fo from there? |
| 17:04.26 | jaalto | cann/call |
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| 17:05.01 | jaalto | \amethyst: My mistake. I explained poorly. |
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| 17:05.40 | \amethyst | jaalto: yeah, I'd go with $(if $(shell [ -L file ]) ...) |
| 17:06.24 | jaalto | \amethyst: Ok, my initial thoughts as well. Just to affirm that GNU make has no direct file test operations. |
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| 17:06.45 | \amethyst | jaalto: ##workingset might know if there is a better way, but I can't find anything in the docs about it |
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| 17:07.04 | \amethyst | jaalto: 'it' = file-type tests |
| 17:07.19 | jaalto | \amethyst: Thanks. |
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| 17:11.02 | simonrvn | abrotman: re: !debian-news, nice |
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| 17:16.38 | sparr | in gnome's Network Connections dialog, the VPN tab exists but all buttons (including 'Add') are greyed out. Help? |
| 17:16.50 | chops1 | How do I make sed change multiple characters to lowercase? 'y/A-Z/a-z/' only changes the first one, and 'y/A-Z/a-z/g' produces an error. |
| 17:17.43 | mederEsite | uh |
| 17:17.46 | bioe007 | chops1: do you have to use sed? |
| 17:17.53 | mederEsite | can wget fetch media from css/js? |
| 17:17.57 | chops1 | bioe007: No, anything in shell script |
| 17:17.59 | mederEsite | if not, wtf is the point of using it? |
| 17:18.17 | bioe007 | chops1: i like tr [A-Z] [a-z] |
| 17:18.32 | chops1 | mederEsite: It can fetch those files... depending on how complex the js is, it may not fetch everything needed to display a page (css and js dependencies) |
| 17:18.38 | mederEsite | uh. |
| 17:18.48 | mederEsite | chops1: yes or no to my question? |
| 17:18.58 | mederEsite | for example, something like a background image |
| 17:19.03 | mederEsite | a simple property/rule in css |
| 17:19.06 | chops1 | mederEsite: wget can fetch any file you give to it. |
| 17:19.07 | mederEsite | it seems to not fetch it |
| 17:19.11 | mederEsite | ok but.. |
| 17:19.23 | mederEsite | wget can't handle grabbing an entire site and keeping the structure the same then |
| 17:19.23 | chops1 | mederEsite: But it may not be able to fetch all the depenencies of a given HTML page, depending on how complex the HTML/JS is. |
| 17:19.34 | mederEsite | right, but let's ignore JS for now |
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| 17:19.41 | mederEsite | and just CSS, bg images |
| 17:19.44 | chops1 | bioe007: Ah, golden, thanks |
| 17:19.45 | mederEsite | it doesn't seem to grab those |
| 17:19.49 | mederEsite | so it can't, right? |
| 17:19.51 | bioe007 | chops1: np |
| 17:19.56 | mederEsite | unless you do them individually. |
| 17:20.00 | mederEsite | manually, that is |
| 17:20.05 | mederEsite | or setup a script to parse css or whatever |
| 17:20.36 | mederEsite | i'm tired of people saying use wget when it isn't fully capable of doing what i want it to do, unless i'm completely mistaken in that it can grab bg images and other similar stuff from certain css properties |
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| 17:20.49 | mederEsite | once again, ignoring complex js |
| 17:21.03 | mederEsite | bg images should be a trivial matter |
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| 17:21.15 | chops1 | mederEsite: The way I'd approach that is to attempt to modify wget's dependency fetching so it does what you want. Not the easiest way, but if you're not willing to do it you can hardly bitch that it's unreasonable that no one else has done it for you yet :-). |
| 17:21.25 | mederEsite | ok |
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| 17:22.00 | mederEsite | that's what i thought.. had to do some custom scripting |
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| 17:22.21 | chops1 | mederEsite: My guess is that it's not very easy. I know browsers routinely get that case wrong, and they have a lot less excuse for not being able to understand the details of CSS and whatnot. The modern web is complex. |
| 17:22.29 | mederEsite | yes it is |
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| 17:24.55 | mederEsite | chops1: this is why im going to make my own program to do this crap |
| 17:25.05 | mederEsite | now i have a reason to bitch when someone says use wget for this |
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| 17:25.19 | mederEsite | because it isnt fucking capable |
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| 17:25.40 | bioe007 | im still having trouble getting execcgi working, i've scp'd git instaweb stuff to my local fileserver, but i can't open 10.1.1.6/gitweb - i get permission error |
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| 17:26.17 | chops1 | He left before I could lecture him... people's attitude to open source is strange. "Here, here's a dollar" "IT SHOULD BE FIVE WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THAT" |
| 17:26.38 | bioe007 | i look in apache log and its saying execcgi is off in this directory, but the .htaccess file there has Options +ExeCGI |
| 17:26.41 | chops1 | "FFS now I have to go make four dollars. Life is hard." |
| 17:28.58 | bioe007 | im looking for some kind of apache+cgi config tutorial |
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| 17:32.28 | bikcmp | Hey, well, this might be a noobish question, but I can't seem to get a user to own /home/USERNAME. |
| 17:32.33 | bikcmp | I've done useradd USER |
| 17:32.38 | bikcmp | mkdir /home/USER |
| 17:32.46 | bikcmp | chown USER /home/user/ |
| 17:33.02 | bikcmp | What am I doing wrong here? I can't seem to get it. |
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| 17:35.44 | ElDiabolo | Since I upgraded to squeeze my /etc/hosts is ignored. nssswitch.conf looks OK, (hosts: files dns). Any hints to possible causes? |
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| 17:36.52 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: how/where does it get ignored? Pastebin your hosts file and a "getent hosts entry-from-hosts-file" that fails to work, and a strace from that command |
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| 17:37.12 | str0ng | hello.. what's the counter part of auth-client-config for debian? |
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| 17:38.15 | ElDiabolo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.40 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 17:38.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 17:43.35 | ElTimo | Has anyone had any success installing Debian on a Powerbook G4 15" 1GHz? I've gotten it to install but the wireless doesn't work. |
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| 17:44.29 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, host command is not using /etc/hosts? getent is working, at least if I have a configured network interface. |
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| 17:48.34 | lewis22 | I am having difficulties enabling quotas with ext4. I have: usrjquota=aquota.user,grpjquota=aquota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0 in /etc/fstab and /aquota.user and /aquota.group but get 'cannot find quota file' when trying to turn quotas on. Any ideas? |
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| 17:50.01 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: correct, host does its own resolving |
| 17:50.50 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, Is this new or has host always done that? |
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| 17:51.11 | ElTimo | I'm guessing that's a no. Debian was the only distribution I wanted to use on my Powerbook. None of the others worked properly either. |
| 17:51.27 | jelly-home | ElTimo: always |
| 17:51.50 | km | i try to change the date with date -s 2010-3-9, but it doesn't stick. any ideas? |
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| 17:51.52 | ElTimo | Wrong "El" jelly-home :P |
| 17:52.08 | jelly-home | ElTimo: el sorry |
| 17:52.14 | ElTimo | lol |
| 17:52.16 | ElTimo | np |
| 17:52.25 | amphi | that's what you get for starting your nick with a definite article ;) |
| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: host has been doing that for a long time |
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| 17:53.56 | jelly-home | ElTimo: if it's anything like x86, you may be missing the correct firmware. /msg dpkg wireless |
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| 17:54.22 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, Thx. |
| 17:54.42 | ElTimo | jelly-home: that's the thing. the driver and firmware are correctly loaded, and dmesg shows no errors of any kind relating to the wireless |
| 17:54.46 | pipeline | jelly-home, ElTimo : I think a g4 powerbook is sufficiently old that the builtin wireless should not require firmware. |
| 17:55.08 | ElTimo | pipeline: it uses a Broadcom 4306 |
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| 17:56.39 | jelly-home | perchance a ppc related channel would know something |
| 17:56.43 | pipeline | ElTimo: haha looks like you're pretty screwed |
| 17:56.53 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 17:56.54 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:57.08 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
| 17:57.20 | ElTimo | >< lamesauce. I can't even find the wireless card to replace it. |
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| 17:58.05 | pipeline | ElTimo: it seems that the way it's SUPPOSED to work is that you DL a windows driver, use a special tool to extract the firmware, then load the platform-agnostic b43 driver w/ the firmware file in /lib/firmware |
| 17:58.29 | pipeline | ElTimo: unfortunately searching for "b43 ppc" looks like it may be buggy. Have fun. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 17:58.34 | ElTimo | so use ndiswrapper |
| 17:58.41 | ElTimo | it's better than nothing. |
| 17:58.42 | pipeline | ElTimo: ndiswrapper won't work on ppc for perhaps obvious reasons |
| 17:58.48 | pipeline | ElTimo: unless you have an ndis driver for ppc |
| 17:58.49 | ElTimo | oh right |
| 17:58.53 | ElTimo | lol |
| 17:59.13 | jelly-home | kmodwrapper? |
| 17:59.23 | ElTimo | i keep forgetting that ppc != x86[_64] |
| 17:59.46 | pipeline | there was a windows ppc version |
| 17:59.52 | pipeline | but it predates 802.11 by a considerable measure |
| 18:00.00 | jelly-home | around NT 3.5? |
| 18:00.09 | pipeline | I can't imagine there are any USEFUL ndis drivers for ppc... unless you wanted to get a DEC tulip working ;P |
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| 18:01.11 | ElTimo | pipeline: i don't even know what it is, so i doubt i'd want one working |
| 18:01.18 | pipeline | jelly-home: yes; there were versions of nt4 for mips/ppc also, but I do not think they were ever supported. And of course 2000 dropped alpha support too :P |
| 18:01.34 | pipeline | linux is kinder to your decrepit architectures |
| 18:01.45 | pipeline | debian will still run on a 12 MHz R2000 if you are sufficiently diligent (read: crazy) |
| 18:01.48 | jelly-home | apparently not much kinder |
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| 18:02.57 | jelly-home | netbsd! or use wired |
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| 18:03.07 | ElTimo | what i'd REALLY like is to have Tiger back on there, but i never got a restore disk |
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| 18:04.01 | jelly-home | careful, freenode forbids warez |
| 18:04.23 | jelly-home | !list |
| 18:04.23 | dpkg | jelly-home: VATTENE VIA |
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| 18:05.00 | jelly-home | heh, a user answered that !list in private msg and got flooded off |
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| 18:09.17 | ElTimo | jelly-home: oh i know that. I've already tried to make restore CD's. They never worked :P |
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| 18:11.03 | mrunkel | Anyone else having issues reaching security.debian.org via IPv6? There is a AAAA record, but neither http or icmp seem to work |
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| 18:11.32 | jhutchins | mrunkel: Likely some intermediate emulation is down. |
| 18:12.45 | SoulSeller | mrunkel, I got the same issue. |
| 18:13.47 | mrunkel | fair enough. i filed a bug about it, just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. :) |
| 18:14.46 | ElTimo | hmm, apparently USB wireless doesn't work either on PPC |
| 18:15.01 | ElTimo | it encounters the same problem |
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| 18:16.19 | ElTimo | module loads, firmware is fine, but ifup can't bring the interface up |
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| 18:17.02 | jelly-home | that doesn't sound like a low enough description of the problem to say it's the same issue |
| 18:17.02 | jhutchins | mrunkel: That's really not appropriate for a bug report, it's more likely to be somewhere in between. |
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| 18:18.07 | mrunkel | jhutchins: then whomever reads the bug report can just close it. |
| 18:18.17 | ElTimo | jelly-home: i know, it just seems like it has the exact same problem, not necessarily the same cause |
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| 18:33.43 | Blackhold | hi, does anyone used unison? |
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| 18:38.07 | mrunkel | Blackhold: yes |
| 18:38.24 | mrunkel | Blackhold: oh wait, you don't mean the newsreader for OS X you mean the file sync? |
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| 18:42.58 | dboehmer | hello |
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| 18:44.32 | dboehmer | i am using debian squeeze and have not got any update for >4 days. there is no need to worry but i am waiting for some bug fix and i started wondering if it is a problem with apt-get/aptitude or not |
| 18:45.13 | dboehmer | main packages i use are LXDE, OOo, many common internet apps, vbox and others. according to the past updates to these packages occur far more often |
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| 18:45.43 | dboehmer | when running apt-get it states some "Hit"s |
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| 18:46.15 | mrenouf | What's the recommended mechanism for ensuring a service is restarted when it's package is upgraded? |
| 18:46.27 | dboehmer | additionally 1 update for lxsession is kept back as it conflicts with several other lxde packages -- dont know why that is |
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| 18:47.03 | dboehmer | mrenouf, are you packaging some program yourself? |
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| 18:47.18 | mrenouf | dboehmer, yes |
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| 18:48.14 | dboehmer | i guess it's written down somewhere but when writing a small pkg recently i found it quite hard to get well structured info. i recommend extracting a common pkg like mysql-server-5.x and have a look at it |
| 18:48.53 | mrenouf | dboehmer, well I could just add a call to invoke-rc.d in my postinst, is that correct? |
| 18:49.19 | mrenouf | I didn't know if maybe there was some automatic way of saying 'restart this service after' via hooks |
| 18:50.13 | abrotman | mrenouf: that's one method |
| 18:50.16 | dboehmer | mrenouf, i am glad my pkg didn't need any services so i cannot tell you. the only thing i know it's handled by dpkg so all information must be packaged in the .deb file |
| 18:50.36 | dboehmer | mrenouf, an expert has come up. listen to him! :) |
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| 18:51.57 | Vasistha | dboehmer: why don't you pastebin the output of apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 18:52.01 | mrenouf | dboehmer, ok, tnx |
| 18:52.02 | Zborg | hi |
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| 18:53.02 | Vasistha | dboehmer: pastebinning your sources.list couldn't hurt either |
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| 18:54.38 | dboehmer | Vasistha, there is absolutely nothing special about it. i've been debian user for some time and it downloads some new files and everything looks fine. mirror is de.debian.org |
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| 19:03.38 | joshteam | Stupid inet, repost: "Is there an easy way to add a user to a group I just created?" |
| 19:04.08 | Vasistha | joshteam: usermod -aG groupname username |
| 19:04.39 | joshteam | Vasistha thanks, and then if I chown a folder to the group then everyone in the group can manage it? |
| 19:04.40 | Vasistha | joshteam: keep in mind that if the user is logged in already, they will have to log in again -- and that may mean starting another x session - to be able to use the group |
| 19:05.00 | sly007 | Hello, my aptitude full-upgrade stops cleanly after udev update (which I refuse due to kernel incompatibility) while there are many update left? |
| 19:05.01 | Vasistha | joshteam: yes but you need to watch your umask now, as the default may be 022 and you'll probably want it to be 002 |
| 19:05.05 | sly007 | why? |
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| 19:06.28 | Vasistha | sly007: are you trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 19:06.30 | joshteam | Vasistha, chown -R devs ./www/ -- Invalid user devs.. devs is the group |
| 19:06.45 | Vasistha | joshteam: you want chgrp |
| 19:06.49 | sly007 | Vasistha: not at all, just doing a anormal update |
| 19:06.57 | sly007 | s/anormal/normal :) |
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| 19:07.05 | Vasistha | joshteam: and BE CAREFUL with chown -R. You can really screw up your system with that command. |
| 19:07.30 | Vasistha | joshteam: the other day someone was in here who accidentally did chown -R on / and his server stopped functioning. |
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| 19:07.36 | joshteam | Vasistha - thanks |
| 19:07.39 | Pinchiukas | "cc: command not found"? I do have GCC installed. :\ |
| 19:07.42 | sly007 | Vasistha: I'm on squeeze, but I don't understand the behaviour of apt-get ou aptitude |
| 19:08.57 | Vasistha | sly007: hum, seems to me you should not need to use "full-upgrade", just plain upgrade ought to be sufficient. I can't really help much, though, as I run stable. I was just going to recommend /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:09.12 | sly007 | Vasistha: I'm using full-upgrade |
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| 19:09.31 | Vasistha | yes, you did say that. |
| 19:09.58 | joshteam | Vasistha -> http://paste2.org/p/746367 ?? |
| 19:11.13 | Vasistha | joshteam: okay, first of all you should know about ls -dl and second -- run the "groups" command to see what groups you are in, and note what I said when I first told you about logged in users needing to log in again |
| 19:11.32 | Vasistha | joshteam: oh, and furthermore, the directory has g-w |
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| 19:11.37 | joshteam | Vasistha I logged out and back in |
| 19:11.41 | joshteam | running groups now |
| 19:11.46 | abrotman | sly007: put it in a pastebin |
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| 19:12.01 | joshteam | Vasistha -> http://paste2.org/p/746371 |
| 19:12.11 | Vasistha | joshteam: you'll probably also want to chmod g+ws |
| 19:12.33 | Vasistha | joshteam: you really don't need to pastebin 1 line ;) |
| 19:12.43 | sly007 | abrotman: http://paste2.org/p/746372 |
| 19:12.54 | Vasistha | joshteam: do you understand the file permissions line, drwxr-xr-x ? |
| 19:13.26 | abrotman | sly007: 1) you should be using aptitude 2) try doing a safe-upgrade first |
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| 19:13.36 | joshteam | Vasistha .. but if own the folder, I should be fine, no? |
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| 19:14.06 | Vasistha | joshteam: root is the owner. user is in the group, but the group does not have write access. |
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| 19:14.37 | joshteam | how can i change the owner to anyone in devs group? |
| 19:14.41 | joshteam | or is that not possible? |
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| 19:14.54 | sly007 | abrotman: http://paste2.org/p/746375 |
| 19:14.55 | sly007 | it's the same |
| 19:15.01 | Vasistha | joshteam: you do what I told you, modify the permissions so anyone in the group can write. |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | sly007: SAFE-UPGRADE |
| 19:15.15 | sly007 | abrotman: plus when I run it several times, it sometimes install packages |
| 19:15.36 | joshteam | chmod g+ws ./* ? |
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| 19:15.54 | sly007 | abrotman: http://paste2.org/p/746377 |
| 19:16.05 | sly007 | abrotman: I heard you this time, sorry |
| 19:16.26 | Vasistha | joshteam: here, read this: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml |
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| 19:17.18 | Vasistha | joshteam: make sure to read the part about set group ID, you want that. |
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| 19:18.25 | joshteam | Vasistha - reading |
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| 19:19.04 | joshteam | Vasistha - jeez I'm green, I feel like I am reading klingon haha |
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| 19:19.11 | sly007 | abrotman: A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 19:19.22 | sly007 | abrotman: it obviously doesn't succeed |
| 19:19.25 | Vasistha | joshteam: it takes a while, you will get used to it eventually. |
| 19:20.14 | joshteam | so group doesn't have the ability to execute/write basically |
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| 19:20.17 | joshteam | is what I am gathering |
| 19:20.27 | Gnudoll | joshteam: are you saying that reading Klingon os hard? |
| 19:20.42 | Gnudoll | is |
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| 19:20.47 | joshteam | yep |
| 19:21.01 | Vasistha | joshteam: are you referring to your specific directory? |
| 19:21.02 | Pinchiukas | "cc: command not found"? I do have GCC installed. Why is that? |
| 19:21.32 | joshteam | yay - I got it :) |
| 19:21.58 | Vasistha | joshteam: if so then you are only partially right. I believe the permissions were drwxr-xr-x so group has execute permissions (which means that you can list files in the directory) but not write. |
| 19:22.06 | joshteam | http://paste2.org/p/746389 |
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| 19:22.13 | abrotman | sly007: moment |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | sly007: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 19:22.43 | sly007 | abrotman: 2.6.25.4dedibox-r9-smp-x64 |
| 19:22.52 | Gnudoll | Pinchiukas: which cc should say /usr/bin/cc |
| 19:23.07 | Pinchiukas | Gnudoll: where is no 'cc'. :) |
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| 19:23.14 | Vasistha | joshteam: this is good, but there is another problem you might not have noticed -- the sites directory is drwxr-sr-x ... g-w ... and that is because your user's umask is set to 022. So if there is another person in the dev group, that other person will not be able to change files that you create. |
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| 19:23.24 | abrotman | sly007: i don't even know what that is .. but i can't imagine it's a good thing |
| 19:23.33 | Pinchiukas | Hmm... or maybe I don't have gcc installed... |
| 19:23.39 | sly007 | abrotman: it's a custom kernel |
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| 19:23.48 | abrotman | sly007: you're running squeeze on a virtual server ? |
| 19:23.50 | sly007 | abrotman: is there a relationship with aptitude? |
| 19:23.54 | peterrooney | Pinchiukas: maybe update-alternatives --config cc ? |
| 19:24.00 | sly007 | abrotman: I delibarately refuse the udev update |
| 19:24.09 | Pinchiukas | I seems I must have removed it. :| |
| 19:24.10 | Gnudoll | Pinchiukas: I think you do not |
| 19:24.23 | Gnudoll | Pinchiukas: apt-get install gcc |
| 19:24.33 | sly007 | abrotman: aptitude shouldnt stop consequently |
| 19:24.37 | Vasistha | no, aptitude install is much better |
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| 19:25.39 | joshteam | Vasistha -> how do you fix that? |
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| 19:26.59 | Vasistha | joshteam: read up on umask. To see you umask, type umask. It is 022. You might want to change it to 002, but you should understand the implications of that before doing it. And you'll need to ensure that it is always set that way. |
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| 19:27.38 | joshteam | Vasistha: thanks for all the help man |
| 19:27.50 | Vasistha | joshteam: you're welcome, good luck & have fun |
| 19:27.56 | mezod | does anyone know if i can export bookmarks on firefox/windows and import them in iceweasel? |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | sly007: udev might be looking for a certain kernel version .. put a 'set -x' after the shebang in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for whatever preinst script for that version of udev |
| 19:28.14 | Vasistha | !tell mezod -about giyf |
| 19:29.03 | mezod | Vasistha i wouldnt ask if iceweasel wasnt linking me to a firefox add-on which does not work |
| 19:29.11 | sly007 | abrotman: am I compelled to update udev to install everything else? When I safe-upgraded two weeks ago it did not fail when I chose not to upgrade udev when aptitude asked me via the ncurses interface |
| 19:29.43 | sly007 | abrotman: it continued after my "do not upgrade udev button" selection |
| 19:29.52 | sly007 | abrotman: today it stops |
| 19:29.53 | Vasistha | mezod: that's a lot of double-negatives |
| 19:30.32 | mezod | yeah thats what happens when u literally translate from catalan x) |
| 19:30.36 | Gnudoll | positively |
| 19:30.50 | Gnudoll | (sorry) |
| 19:31.27 | mezod | i meant i ask here because iceweasel is linking me to a firefox add-on which isn't working, and i wondered if it was possible to do |
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| 19:34.57 | abrotman | sly007: udev is a pain in the arse |
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| 19:35.42 | sly007 | abrotman: well I feel like it's either a debian package problem or aptitude one |
| 19:35.46 | Vasistha | mezod: I still recommend looking on google for a way to find your firefox bookmarks. |
| 19:36.20 | mezod | nvm |
| 19:36.24 | Vasistha | mezod: you might try searching for something like backup firefox bookmarks. Once you've got the backup file of them then maybe you can import it into iceweasel |
| 19:36.38 | mezod | Vasistha i have already done that |
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| 19:42.34 | sly007 | abrotman: I put udev on hold with aptitude GUI and relaunched safe upgrade |
| 19:42.40 | sly007 | abrotman: seem to do the trick |
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| 19:46.25 | abrotman | sly007: you're going to have to upgrade it |
| 19:46.35 | sly007 | abrotman: one day |
| 19:46.48 | abrotman | sly007: you really shouldn't be running testing on a VPS |
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| 19:47.23 | sly007 | abrotman: it's not virtual |
| 19:47.35 | abrotman | why is it using a goofy kernel ? |
| 19:47.46 | sly007 | abrotman: sensors |
| 19:47.51 | sly007 | abrotman: monitoring |
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| 19:50.57 | joshteam | how can I see what's listening/useing port 8080? |
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| 19:52.54 | Tramp | joshteam: lsof -ni:8080 |
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| 19:56.31 | joshteam | Thanks Tramp - and does anyone know if there is a package that installs JDK 1.3+ ? |
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| 20:01.24 | Vasistha | joshteam: I'm not sure, but check out non-free |
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| 20:06.35 | eptalon | hello all |
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| 20:06.52 | eptalon | What debian pacage lets me make a 1:1 copy of a dvd? |
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| 20:07.44 | Mish- | I want to log/track the number of packets per second on an interface, ideally with SNMP but I can do the SNMP part myself if I can find a way to read the packets per second... |
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| 20:09.42 | dondelelcaro | Mish-: you just track the number of packets, and divide by seconds between checking |
| 20:09.44 | cognitiaclaeves | Does anyone here use iptotal / rrdtool ? |
| 20:09.55 | dondelelcaro | Mish-: see /proc/net/dev, and/or see munin, which does this all for you |
| 20:10.00 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I don't understand what the graphs are telling me... ) |
| 20:10.09 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: yes, but you'll have better luck using munin or similar |
| 20:10.32 | cognitiaclaeves | Why do you say that, dondelelcaro? |
| 20:10.43 | cognitiaclaeves | ( iptotal is already running... ) |
| 20:10.50 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 20:10.50 | dpkg | Munin (formerly LRRD) is a network and system monitoring application, presenting graphs via <rrdtool>. Examples: http://munin.ping.uio.no/ . http://munin-monitoring.org/ #munin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:11.04 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: see the examples above, and you can see for yourself |
| 20:11.45 | joshteam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.02 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: dpkg -L foopkg; man dpkg-query; for details |
| 20:12.06 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: Munin was one of the two ravens of Odin; the other is called hugin... |
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| 20:15.09 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: Well, Munin is much prettier, only I don't know that I need the pretty, or the flexible; just need to understand what iptotals is charting. Unless it just isn't accurate. Does Munin use more resources than iptotal? |
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| 20:16.09 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: not much more, and it's simpler to configure, understand, and modify. |
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| 20:17.41 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: Ok. Maybe this is case where more is better. I'll check it out. It's for a pair of SVN repos, so I didn't want anything that consumed more CPU cycles than what I already had. |
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| 20:20.11 | Vasistha | eptalon: k3b can do it, it's called cloning. But keep in mind that many modern dvd readers have firmware that prevents cloning. I'd imagine there's a cli solution, but k3b is really easy. |
| 20:20.42 | eptalon | Vasistha: will have a look, thanks :) |
| 20:20.55 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: Oh, btw, thanks. :) |
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| 20:21.34 | Vasistha | eptalon: also, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/howto-dvd-vob-iso-dvd-duplicate-dvd5-exact-copy-348492/ |
| 20:21.55 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: np; I actually have munin-node on almost all of my machines, and one central machine deals with collecting and graphing it all... so if you have a lot of servers, it makes a lot of sense. |
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| 20:24.31 | emerica | I've got a sata 3gb drive hooked up via esata copying files over to a raid, guessing the sus speed of the single sata drive to be about 120MB/s , is getting 100MB/s decent or should I be looking to get some more? |
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| 20:27.13 | eptalon | emerica: I can only talk about "300MB drives" of about 5 Years ago (SATA-II, 24/7): I get about 50-60 MB/s on raid rebuild. |
| 20:28.12 | eptalon | emerica: That dropped considerably if I was writing other data, to about 20-30MB/s |
| 20:28.30 | eptalon | emerica: that was internal, too. |
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| 20:28.40 | laurus | Is GNOME Shell optional? I.e. does one have to use it in GNOME 3? |
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| 20:28.49 | coredump | re all |
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| 20:29.26 | coredump | i have a problem with debootstrap, it mounts sysfs and process its all cpu time |
| 20:29.36 | coredump | i can't kill that |
| 20:29.50 | emerica | sits about 97-102 , nothing else happening. Areca raid 24x2TB in raid 10, drive rating about 134mb/s accoring to spec, fairly happy with 100, but unsure if theres things to tweak, or if I should be seeing any higher, msi big bang trinergy using the intel chipset |
| 20:29.51 | coredump | anybody seen something like this? stare "R" |
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| 20:31.09 | mjrosenb | i'm trying to build a .deb for links2 without gpm support |
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| 20:31.50 | eptalon | emerica: no idea, all I can talk about is software raid. |
| 20:31.52 | jelly-home | emerica: around 100MB/s for a single device sounds reasonable |
| 20:31.56 | Titan8990 | !package recompile |
| 20:31.56 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source> |
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| 20:32.01 | jimcooncat | what tools do people use to deal with /home dirs on different machines? preferences, documents |
| 20:32.20 | emerica | thanks :) |
| 20:32.21 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: define "deal with" |
| 20:32.30 | mjrosenb | i've installed the sources with apt-get source links2, then modified links2-2/debian/rules, and added --without-gpm to the configure line, then ran debuild -us -uc |
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| 20:33.16 | SparFux | Hello. How to configure the sound output device for java6-plugin for iceweasel? |
| 20:33.23 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: I assume you mean dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:33.29 | p8m | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.29 | mjrosenb | does debuild just run dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:33.30 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: share between machines, propagate preference changes, resolve for different app versions |
| 20:33.50 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: no, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html section 7.14 said debuild. |
| 20:34.14 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: you could keep /home on a fileserver and mount it on the various boxes using NFS |
| 20:34.49 | mjrosenb | oh hey, it is running configure more than once |
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| 20:34.52 | laurus | Man, GNOME 3 looks awful! |
| 20:34.52 | mjrosenb | greeeaaaat. |
| 20:34.57 | laurus | Has anyone here seen it? |
| 20:35.07 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: is it a problem if, say, I'm running lenny at work and ubuntu at home? Can I use sshfs? |
| 20:35.32 | funky | are these 2 images two independent kernels? initrd.img-2.6.32-3-amd64 and initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
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| 20:35.38 | funky | what's the trunk for ? |
| 20:35.56 | jelly-home | !tell funky about kernel abi |
| 20:36.01 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: personally, I have not any issues with preference settings and mixing app versions, although it is likely that a problem would come up |
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| 20:37.10 | zahna | is there a document explaining the policy of auto-starting a daemon immediately after installation? |
| 20:37.36 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: probably firefox, thunderbird may cause problems, yep. Perhaps I should look at something like rsync where I can make an ignore list |
| 20:37.41 | zahna | my opinion is that it's an awful policy, but i'm wondering what the rationale is for it |
| 20:37.41 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: sshfs is fine but you find that it can be a bit slower form encryption overhead |
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| 20:38.16 | funky | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 20:39.55 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: Should it just work on a lenny box after installing it with apt? |
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| 20:40.52 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: well, two seperate versions of thunderbird 2.x probably wouldn't cause issues but likely if you were mixing 2.x and 3.x |
| 20:41.00 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: if you've installed munin and munin-node, yes. |
| 20:41.12 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: you may need to configure apache to point at it, but in general, it just works. |
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| 20:41.46 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: firefox settings should be the same regardless. You can use rsync if you want to keep the files locally.. or you could even use version control system for your dotfiles such as svn |
| 20:41.56 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: that is what I do for my emacs configurations |
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| 20:42.21 | cognitiaclaeves | Well, at http://myself:4949, I get "munin node at myserver" "# unknown command. Try... " a number of times. I'm looking through the docs trying to figure out what I did wrong, but I haven't found it yet. |
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| 20:42.36 | cognitiaclaeves | *myself should be myserver |
| 20:42.37 | arcsky | hello, ist a good choice to use IPsec for secure Voice over IPv6 ? |
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| 20:43.04 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: perhaps a vcs would be good. Been meaning to learn to use one anyway. |
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| 20:44.46 | EricTheHax | I installed the nvidia driver from the repos, but i still get xgl not present when attempting to load compiz. Yes, it's the latest drivers, yes i rebooted |
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| 20:45.52 | EricTheHax | and yes my graphics chipset is compatible, I could do this before |
| 20:46.47 | Titan8990 | EricTheHax: did you follow the nvidia guide on the wiki? |
| 20:46.52 | EricTheHax | guide? |
| 20:47.01 | Titan8990 | !nvidia |
| 20:47.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:47.03 | asaleem | EricTheHax, you can strace compiz and check where it is looking for xgl |
| 20:47.04 | EricTheHax | thx |
| 20:47.14 | Titan8990 | EricTheHax: it requires a bit more than just installing the package |
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| 20:53.27 | EricTheHax | man i was planning on getting gentoo when i get another hdd or have to reinstall windows (linux drive died), but then when i had to reinstall, i tried to use a blast from the y2k past. No, not Miserable Edition. 2k. I had drivers for my motherboard, specifically network, and it wouldnt install them. So I had to grab my debian disk and get to work. I guess my spring break project will have to wait |
| 20:53.43 | EricTheHax | LULZ |
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| 20:55.36 | wolfric | is there anyway to remove hard drive encryption once it's been done? |
| 20:56.02 | wolfric | i chose hard drive encryption on install but now if it restarts then i have to enter the code before it boots which is rather inconvenient |
| 20:56.39 | xyan | encryption without a decryption key or something like that doesnt make sense does it ;) |
| 20:57.16 | wolfric | it does when you don't want to have your hard drive encrypted any more doesn't it ;) |
| 20:57.19 | xyan | im sure you could add a keyfile which you could carry on a usb stick and plug that in to decrypt your volume |
| 20:57.31 | abrotman | wolfric: IIRC there's a way to put that password in a file |
| 20:57.56 | wolfric | unfortunately if i remote reboot it i have to be there to enter the password which i only thought of after the install |
| 20:58.20 | xyan | put dropbear into your initramfs image |
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| 21:03.52 | Lemonator | is invoking . /etc/X11/Xsession important or necessary at all? |
| 21:03.55 | Lemonator | What does it do? |
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| 21:04.20 | EricTheHax | I know why people do the things they do |
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| 21:06.45 | Lemonator | how come I can only have one "exec ..." line in .xinitrc? |
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| 21:07.02 | Lemonator | I put a line to set the background, and X crashed immediately. |
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| 21:16.50 | jelly-home | Lemonator: .xinitrc is run by a shell process, which is the session owner. exec replaces that shell. you should only exec the last command used, not put it in backround, and it will make that command the session owner. If the session owner dies, X session ends. |
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| 21:17.26 | Lemonator | okay. |
| 21:17.52 | jelly-home | Lemonator: typically you set up some processes in the background, then exec your window manager as the last command in there |
| 21:18.08 | Lemonator | got it. |
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| 21:23.00 | jair | guys, I know this is a very basic question but I am confuse if whether I should install xscreensaver or use the other option a command line utiliy that can control the time debian will turn off the monitor when the machine is not is use. |
| 21:23.23 | jaggz1 | On my debian etch system, and only on this one system, if I suspend from vim (^Z) and run a command at the shell prompt, once I hit fg it just sits there on a blank line, until I hit ^C at which time it "unfreezes", redraws vim like normal and returns to normal operations.. |
| 21:23.41 | JPT | jair: you can combine it... i'm using a screensaver, but the monitor is turned off after some time... |
| 21:23.59 | JPT | the screensaver ensures that my desktop is locked somehow |
| 21:24.15 | Pnux | hey guys, is there a way to make aptitude tell me the url of those packages which need to be updated? or a way to make it use wget (or similar), because i have a huge list of updateable packages (~5 months) and a really unstable connection |
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| 21:25.10 | Pnux | s/update/upgrade |
| 21:25.20 | jair | JPT: alright my concern is not the machine to get lock after certain time, this machines are in a classroom and they are use just for hosting virtual machines. |
| 21:25.34 | jaggz1 | it's weird because if I don't run a command at shell it returns fine |
| 21:25.43 | jair | JPT: so I will need a way to get the system to stay up at least for about an hour or two |
| 21:26.04 | jair | JPT: that is normally the time the students get a break for lunch etc... |
| 21:26.09 | JPT | mhh |
| 21:26.20 | JPT | you want your students not to turn off your machine?... :| |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | Pnux: --print-uris IIRC |
| 21:26.48 | Pnux | abrotman: noup |
| 21:26.50 | JPT | turning off the monitor is the wrong idea then... "oh, hey... this is wasting power. *zap*" |
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| 21:27.17 | jair | JPT: the machines will still running until the end of the day, they will have a break and come back to use the virtual machines running on it, I am using vmware workstation running on linux currently |
| 21:27.30 | jair | hahahaha |
| 21:27.40 | JPT | mhh... |
| 21:27.58 | Pnux | abrotman: both apt-get and aptitude [..] --help | grep print, returned nothing |
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| 21:28.17 | abrotman | Pnux: yep! |
| 21:28.20 | molgrum | what is the package name for wine 1.1.* in squeeze? |
| 21:28.37 | jair | JPT: well the systems are utilized by adults this is not little kids, they start using the systems through labs and hands on exercises, then they get a break but when they come back some not that technology oriented think that the systems are off |
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| 21:29.01 | abrotman | Pnux: man apt-get .. /print-uri |
| 21:29.01 | JPT | then turn off the monitor..it will save energy and cpu-power :) |
| 21:29.38 | kobrien | Is is sensible at this time to run Debian squeeze on a production server? |
| 21:29.40 | jair | JPT: so after the class is done I normally shutdown all the systems remotely, but what I am trying to accomplish is to keep the monitor on for about two hours instead of five minutes I think is the default. |
| 21:29.53 | JPT | oh...mhh.. |
| 21:30.02 | Pnux | abrotman: just saw it on the apt-get's manual, but im looking for an aptitude solution |
| 21:30.06 | abrotman | kobrien: uh .. hell no |
| 21:30.08 | JPT | i don't know where to look for that configuration :( |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | Pnux: i'm not aware of one .. stick around .. maybe an aptitude guru will appear! |
| 21:30.26 | kobrien | abrotman: so I stick with lenny |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | kobrien: yes .. squeeze is not even frozen yet |
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| 21:31.17 | kobrien | abrotman: thankee. I'm new to debian. not really sure of the state of things yet. |
| 21:31.26 | jair | I know there is a configuration file that holds this ... |
| 21:31.31 | abrotman | kobrien: do you need a newer package of something ? |
| 21:31.31 | Pnux | it isnt? damn.. im waiting for squeeze to stick with stable instead of testing.. |
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| 21:31.43 | Pnux | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 21:32.11 | kobrien | abrotman: no I'm just setting up my vps and was wondering how up to date I can be without unsecuring myself |
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| 21:33.52 | dbbolton | when i power on my computer, there is no grub menu. grub is just booting the first kernel. i have not edited any grub config files nor have i installed a package maintainer's version of any config files for grub. how can i get the menu back? |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | kobrien: you can use lenny :) |
| 21:34.05 | jair | abrotman: what is that file in debian that you can confiure to tell when to power off the monitor, stand by, etc... |
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| 21:34.16 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 21:34.17 | jair | abrotman: without using the xscreensaver |
| 21:34.17 | kobrien | abrotman: your guidance is appreciated. cheers. |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | that? |
| 21:34.20 | Pnux | dbbolton: which grub version are you using? |
| 21:34.25 | jair | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:34.35 | jair | abrotman: that is the one I was looking for |
| 21:34.51 | dbbolton | Pnux: 1.98 from squeeze |
| 21:35.15 | Pnux | dbbolton: oh, cant help then, i cant try the "new" grub yet :/ |
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| 21:36.35 | dbbolton | when i try to play card games from gnome-games i get this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 21:37.42 | Pnux | dbbolton: do you have an OpenGL supporting graphics card? |
| 21:38.30 | dbbolton | Pnux: is that really necessary for gnome-games? anyhow i have intel 82945G |
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| 21:39.12 | Tramp | dbbolton: maybe check the GRUB_TIMEOUT in /etc/default/grub |
| 21:39.44 | dbbolton | Tramp: it's 0. i thought that was the correct option for no timeout |
| 21:39.57 | Tramp | dbbolton: but no timeout also means no menu |
| 21:40.00 | Tramp | afaik |
| 21:40.15 | Pnux | dbbolton: aparently, what happens when you execute "glxgears" on a terminal? |
| 21:40.26 | Tramp | dbbolton: i.e. it boots the default-entry immediately |
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| 21:41.38 | Tramp | dbbolton: ah, "no timeout" as in "wait indefinitely" |
| 21:42.45 | dbbolton | Tramp yes |
| 21:43.10 | dbbolton | Pnux the same output as the game |
| 21:43.17 | Tramp | dbbolton: I think that's -1 - not sure though |
| 21:43.39 | Pnux | dbbolton: then you cant play OpenGL, not sure if its available with your card though |
| 21:44.03 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: you around? |
| 21:44.10 | jair | abrotman: I am sorry but I forgot how to manipulate dpms, do i need to install a different package because I apt-cache search for dpms and did not find it |
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| 21:44.14 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: yep, whats up? |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | jair: man xorg.conf |
| 21:44.39 | Pnux | dbbolton: i have the "Intel 865 G" and it works fine |
| 21:44.44 | jair | abrotman: alright thanks |
| 21:46.01 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: so i switcehd to using dpkg-buildpackage, but it looks like links is still being build with gpm support |
| 21:46.24 | dbbolton | Tramp you were right, -1 |
| 21:46.33 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:46.48 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: does having gpm actually cause you problems? |
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| 21:46.54 | d3x | hi guys |
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| 21:47.03 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: it is supremely annoying |
| 21:47.08 | d3x | i can't checkout anything from svn.debian.org |
| 21:47.13 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: isn't it basically mouse support? |
| 21:47.15 | d3x | is it normal behavior? |
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| 21:47.50 | d3x | svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly |
| 21:48.11 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: yes, and i do not like my terminals doing anything other than selecting text when i click on them |
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| 21:48.47 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: also, it would be nice to know why this is happening in case i actually need to modify build time options in the future. |
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| 21:50.38 | Titan8990 | !nmg |
| 21:50.38 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:51.47 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: are you making changes to the rules file? |
| 21:51.58 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: yes. |
| 21:52.12 | jair | abrotman: alright it looks like this is the default: http://paste.debian.net/66690 |
| 21:52.17 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: there were two configure lines, and i added --without-gpm to both of them. |
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| 21:52.58 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: and your sure that is a valid configure option? |
| 21:52.59 | abrotman | jair: okay? |
| 21:53.12 | jair | abrotman: I want to change the time the dpms energy turn off the system, instead of 2400 for off to 2 hours |
| 21:53.25 | mjrosenb | grep -i gpm buildpackage.logGPM support:NO |
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| 21:54.53 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: I recommend either removing the gpm package (which sounds like what you want since you don't want gpm anywhere), or trying #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 21:55.04 | Titan8990 | mjrosenb: debian-mentors is more specific to packaging |
| 21:55.14 | mjrosenb | Titan8990: kk |
| 21:55.16 | mjrosenb | wtf |
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| 21:55.28 | mjrosenb | ok, evidently, i have been checking for gpm support incorrectly |
| 21:55.29 | mjrosenb | since |
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| 21:55.42 | mjrosenb | ldd `which links` does not mention gpm |
| 21:56.07 | mjrosenb | and |
| 21:56.15 | mjrosenb | apt says that gpm is not installed |
| 21:56.16 | apt | mjrosenb: okay |
| 21:56.23 | jair | abrotman: is that secons or minutes? => http://paste.debian.net/66690 |
| 21:56.49 | jair | abrotman: the 2400 seconds? |
| 21:56.56 | JPT | looks like seconds... |
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| 21:57.04 | JPT | 2400 minutes is way too long |
| 21:57.33 | jair | JPT: right so I think those numbers are seconds |
| 21:57.40 | jair | so it will be 40 min |
| 21:58.33 | jair | so when the monitor suspend I think is after 20 min |
| 21:58.41 | jair | so I may need to increase that value |
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| 22:00.51 | jair | is this the section I need to change on the xorg.conf file? http://paste.debian.net/66691 |
| 22:01.48 | Kruug | I am wondering if anyone here knows how I could set up a repository server |
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| 22:04.31 | Titan8990 | Kruug: use apt-mirror |
| 22:05.02 | Titan8990 | !dstats lenny |
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| 22:05.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22961 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59139 MB installed size, 20843 MB compressed size. |
| 22:06.08 | Titan8990 | Kruug: lot to download :p |
| 22:06.13 | Kruug | Titan8990: Is that to be run on the computer I'm setting the server up on? |
| 22:06.24 | Kruug | and about how much space do I need? |
| 22:06.36 | rvsjoen | dpkg: apt-mirror |
| 22:06.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any apt source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <debian mirrors>. |
| 22:06.51 | Titan8990 | Kruug: yes. the mirrors are simple. You just host the files over ftp or http and apt-mirror does the above |
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| 22:07.33 | Kruug | So, I could then use that server connected to a LAN and install packages to other machines on the LAN? |
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| 22:07.48 | Titan8990 | Kruug: yes |
| 22:08.08 | Kruug | sweet |
| 22:08.11 | nsadmin | that's the same process the other mirrors do |
| 22:08.43 | rvsjoen | you might want to look at apt-proxy too |
| 22:08.48 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: I think the global mirrors use ftpsync instead of apt-mirror like described here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 22:09.00 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: because its needs to be able to "push" to other mirrors |
| 22:09.01 | rvsjoen | if you are just looking to decrease bandwidth when installing on multiple hosts |
| 22:09.22 | ryan___ | Hey guys, I'm still fairly new, so... What is the point of upgrading my Kernel? Everything works with the Lenny kernel, but when I try to do an upgrade to testing, it installs 2.6.32 and my audio and mouse broke. |
| 22:09.54 | Titan8990 | ryan___: you upgraded to testing and things broke... was that unexpected? |
| 22:10.12 | nsadmin | why upgrade to testing? |
| 22:10.35 | rvsjoen | dpkg: testing |
| 22:10.36 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 22:10.39 | ryan___ | Titan8990: If I go back to the old kernel everything works, so my question is what is the point of upgrading a kernel? |
| 22:10.51 | rvsjoen | this is the 'bumpy ride' its talking about |
| 22:10.54 | Titan8990 | ryan___: if you were running a vanilla kernel, you would upgrade for security reasons. In debian, because security patches are backported to older kernels, there is no real point of upgrading unless you need some new feature |
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| 22:11.31 | nsadmin | also, the question you ask about the kernel is a good one... if your kernel already works, why do you need to upgrade? |
| 22:11.33 | Titan8990 | ryan___: if you would have stuck with lenny, the kernel would have never upgraded to a new version |
| 22:11.55 | ryan___ | Titan8990: But when Sqeeze becomes stable, wouldn't that make me HAVE to use the new kernel that doesn't work? |
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| 22:12.24 | Titan8990 | ryan___: you are assuming that squeeze is already frozen... |
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| 22:12.54 | Titan8990 | ryan___: and if it was frozen, they would spend the time working on bugfixes prior to the release |
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| 22:13.04 | nsadmin | you've forgotten that testing is a moving target... very likely by the time it becomes stable, it won't necessarily be the same kernel that's available now |
| 22:13.06 | ryan___ | Titan8990: My assumption was that the newer kernel just didn't support my device |
| 22:13.26 | Titan8990 | ryan___: what is the device? |
| 22:13.58 | ryan___ | Titan8990: A really old dell touchpad no longer allows me to tap it to click, and the audio in the same old dell laptop stopped working. |
| 22:14.10 | ryan___ | Titan8990: Give me a second and I can tell you how old... |
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| 22:14.28 | nsadmin | synaptic? |
| 22:14.50 | ryan___ | nsadmin: Yeah |
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| 22:14.59 | ryan___ | nsadmin: At least the touchpad is |
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| 22:16.12 | Pnux | god, any info about when squeeze is gonna be frozen? i thought they were doing it in january or february |
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| 22:16.37 | nsadmin | probably when it's ready... |
| 22:16.44 | nsadmin | maybe a coupla days after |
| 22:17.01 | nvz | yeah, definately when its ready. Monitor the Release-Critical bugs page for progress |
| 22:17.25 | dondelelcaro | Pnux: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 22:17.27 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 22:17.27 | Titan8990 | !wwsr |
| 22:18.05 | Pnux | alrite, im guessing you get that question a lot |
| 22:18.12 | Titan8990 | abrotman: it took me a while to find that... guessing strings that would be in it with !listvals |
| 22:18.12 | ryan___ | Titan8990: Looks like a 2003 laptop |
| 22:19.14 | Titan8990 | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | ! Titan8990=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 |
| 22:19.31 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I picture them old "uncle same needs you" posters when I read that. :-P |
| 22:20.27 | nsadmin | uncle same only needs differences |
| 22:20.56 | Titan8990 | so enouf loses? |
| 22:21.05 | nvz | uncle same raped my inner child |
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| 22:24.03 | Pnux | oh i wish i could help with the bugs.. |
| 22:25.31 | nvz | Pnux: sometimes all it takes is some computers, some geeks, and the ability to host a bug squishing party and make beer/pizza runs |
| 22:26.39 | Pnux | nvz: im the only "geek" i know.. and im not that much of a geek |
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| 22:27.58 | nvz | Pnux: I can identify with that I suppose. I have friends that are physicists and what not, and they go nuts when they make references to things like Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR..etc and I have no idea what they are talking about |
| 22:28.08 | nvz | I've always been a strictly non-fiction geek |
| 22:29.00 | Pnux | im just a pc-geek in that case |
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| 22:32.57 | ryan___ | I wish I knew some geeks =D lol.... The only ones that even come close all use Windows >.< |
| 22:33.17 | Pnux | pukes |
| 22:33.25 | Pnux | please dont use such language in here! |
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| 22:34.21 | nvz | ugh, the damn cdrom in this Dell DHP is being tempermental. its one of those laptop style slim cdroms in a slimline desktop. the damn thing won't open.. |
| 22:34.28 | nvz | where is a paperclip when you need one? |
| 22:34.46 | ryan___ | lol :P Any time the "geeks" watch me using linux they are like why the fck do you go through all that trouble |
| 22:34.51 | wolfric | back where you left win32 |
| 22:34.59 | d3x | nvz, are you sure it's not a slide-in drive? :) |
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| 22:35.28 | wolfric | ryan___: they've got a point |
| 22:35.46 | d3x | wolfric, ever heard of vigor? :) |
| 22:36.04 | Vasistha | ryan___: once you get used to it, and once you get your system set up, it is much much easier and less time consuming to maintain your system. that's why. |
| 22:36.18 | nvz | d3x: hah, yeah I'm sure. |
| 22:37.57 | ryan___ | Visistha: Except for the Wireless support, it's really just install and go. lol |
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| 22:39.56 | d3x | ryan___, actually... wireless just works |
| 22:40.15 | ryan___ | Vasitha: Although, personally, I always install sudo, lshw, w32codecs, libdvdcss2, vlc and manually download the real firefox |
| 22:40.28 | ryan___ | d3x: Not for my cards :( |
| 22:40.40 | d3x | but... i have 2 problems with my notebook: 1) webcam gives upside-down picture 2) i can't use my nvidia gt325m :( |
| 22:41.08 | d3x | ryan___, what is your reason to download the "real" firefox? |
| 22:41.59 | km | is ftp mput part of ftp client command or ftp server command? |
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| 22:42.27 | ryan___ | d3x: I dunno, habbit I guess lol |
| 22:42.41 | SparFux | Hi. I have built a kernel with make-kpkg and now I want to recompile after an update of the source. How can I make make-kpkg to not make clean and just recompile? |
| 22:42.44 | Vasistha | km: I dunno about servers but many clients have an mput command |
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| 22:43.44 | Vasistha | SparFux: ...don't run make-kpkg clean? I'm not sure, though |
| 22:43.44 | km | so mput is a client ftp command use by client to put files on the server? |
| 22:44.03 | Vasistha | km: that is how I have used it |
| 22:44.06 | SparFux | Vasistha: it seems to clean it anyway! Even though I don't run the make-kpkg clean |
| 22:44.38 | km | have you run into issue with mput * arguments too long? |
| 22:44.55 | d3x | damn, i recompiled uvcvideo with a patch for image flip but now i get this: |
| 22:44.55 | d3x | FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.33-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/uvc/uvcvideo.ko): Invalid module format |
| 22:45.21 | km | there seem to a limit on the lenght of arguments that is allowed |
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| 22:45.42 | Vasistha | SparFux: hmm. You might look at the manual page. And you might figure out what make-kpkg does and take the clean step out. |
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| 22:46.01 | d3x | km, try using lftp |
| 22:46.11 | km | ok |
| 22:46.25 | Vasistha | km: that could be either your shell or your client. lftp is a good idea though |
| 22:46.49 | d3x | km, it's an ftp client, not a command, btw ;) |
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| 22:47.26 | d3x | (well, not only ftp, but it doesn't matter now) |
| 22:47.37 | km | let me test it with lftp |
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| 22:49.49 | km | what? |
| 22:50.09 | d3x | km, lftp also has great `mirror` command |
| 22:50.36 | km | there is lftp command |
| 22:53.56 | ponyofdeath | hi, is there a major diff in how xen is set up in squeeze or should i be cool with following the guide for lenny |
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| 23:03.05 | km | lftp doesn't complain about arguments too long, but it hangs/stops after loading 1019 out of 40000 |
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| 23:03.28 | km | any other suggestions |
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| 23:03.56 | Vasistha | km: mput a*; mput b*; mput c*; etc |
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| 23:04.17 | d3x | km, mirror -R . |
| 23:04.21 | d3x | (in lftp_ |
| 23:04.25 | d3x | s/_/_/ |
| 23:04.30 | d3x | f*ck! |
| 23:04.33 | km | i couple, i want see if can upload all at once |
| 23:04.34 | d3x | s/_/)/ |
| 23:04.43 | km | i could |
| 23:04.47 | ulgo | ponyofdeath: I am not a xen expert, but isn't there a problem with newer kernel versions? |
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| 23:05.20 | km | typo: i could to that, but i want to be able to upload a the files at once |
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| 23:05.52 | \amethyst | km: you could try mirror as d3x suggested, unless you want to avoid recursing into directories |
| 23:06.05 | km | what? mirror -R . |
| 23:06.40 | \amethyst | yeah |
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| 23:06.46 | km | how is that dfferent from mput * |
| 23:07.15 | \amethyst | it sounds like lftp has some kind of buffer limitation in its wildcard expansion |
| 23:07.15 | km | that did it |
| 23:07.31 | \amethyst | so the goal is to avoid the wildcard expansion |
| 23:07.50 | km | does this means there is limitation on ftp client mput command? |
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| 23:08.11 | \amethyst | depends on the implementation |
| 23:08.21 | km | meaning? |
| 23:08.35 | \amethyst | km: depends on which program you're using to ftp |
| 23:09.05 | \amethyst | km: you'd have to test it to find out |
| 23:09.15 | km | i using the standard ftp client cmdline that came with linux |
| 23:10.03 | \amethyst | km: there are at least two alternatives available for ftp, inetutils-ftp and ftp-ssl |
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| 23:11.01 | km | so this limitation issue has nothing to do with ftp server, but has to do with some ftp clients? |
| 23:11.13 | \amethyst | km: I suspect inetutils-ftp might not have the limitation, since it's a GNU program and arbitrary limitations such as that are frowned upon in the GNU coding standards |
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| 23:12.05 | orudie_ | how would I look up the cpu info ? |
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| 23:13.59 | jhutchins_lt | So patient... |
| 23:14.34 | ponyofdeath | ulgo: thats what im trying to figure out |
| 23:15.39 | ulgo | I think the biggest problems are with dom0, You checked the Xen website about supported kernel versions? |
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| 23:16.19 | \amethyst | km: yes, since mput sends one STOR over-the-wire command per file |
| 23:16.56 | ponyofdeath | ulgo: nope so ur saying my xen host aka dom0 might have problems if i run the squeeze kernel on it |
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| 23:17.03 | \amethyst | km: so the server has no way of knowing whether you did mput * or a bunch of puts in a row |
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| 23:19.11 | ulgo | ponyofdeath: I'm not an expert, but I last time I checked informations about Xen only Kernel 2.6.18 was supported as dom0 |
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| 23:21.52 | km | so there a limitation issue with mput than |
| 23:22.07 | \amethyst | km: it appears so, at least in lftp |
| 23:22.14 | km | that doesn't accept very long arguments |
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| 23:23.30 | \amethyst | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#XenonTesting.2BAC8-SqueezeandonUnstable.2BAC8-Sid |
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| 23:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | km: Did anyone suggest rsync? |
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| 23:26.08 | rektide | is it possible to suspend an Xorg program's running ? |
| 23:26.24 | rektide | in this case, I'd really be appreciative of the ability to suspend resume eclipse |
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| 23:27.37 | Tramp | rektide: SIGSTOP/SIGCONT I think |
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| 23:32.01 | nuscire | what's wrong with debian? testing has no update for 3 or 4 days. |
| 23:32.30 | Vasistha | someone else was complaining about that earlier. I wonder if they're freezing or something? |
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| 23:33.06 | DogBoy | lol |
| 23:33.16 | DogBoy | wouldn't that be an indication of something being right? |
| 23:33.41 | nuscire | something being right? |
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| 23:34.12 | DogBoy | <nuscire> what's wrong with debian? testing has no update for 3 or 4 days. |
| 23:34.14 | Vasistha | yes, but to the uninformed it could appear as something wrong. I have no idea, though. Haven't heard a whisper. But it would be nice if the freeze was soon... it's been a while since we got a new stable |
| 23:34.34 | simonrvn | !debian-news |
| 23:34.34 | dpkg | See: (to view each item /msg dpkg <factoid> (no <>)) <lenny>, <etch>, <wwsr> :: <ries>, <dbugs 560056> |
| 23:34.47 | simonrvn | nuscire: see <riee> |
| 23:34.52 | simonrvn | ries* |
| 23:35.12 | JyZyXEL | i just had a disk failure on raid-5 array |
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| 23:35.18 | Vasistha | ahha. thanks |
| 23:35.24 | JyZyXEL | how do i make it read only? |
| 23:35.34 | JyZyXEL | or possibly just shut it down |
| 23:35.40 | Vasistha | JyZyXEL: mount -o remount,readonly or something like that -- man mount |
| 23:35.40 | JyZyXEL | the whoel array and all the devices |
| 23:35.46 | simonrvn | Vasistha: new factoid for keeping track of well, debian news =) |
| 23:36.01 | nuscire | simonrvn: how to see <riee>? i'm relatively new to irc usage. |
| 23:36.09 | JyZyXEL | can i force the array down? |
| 23:36.12 | kobrien | what would be regularly updated packages in "volatile"? is it considered risky to use the volatile repo? |
| 23:36.22 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I think the syntax is a little too much, though! <factoid> (no <>)) <lenny> -- ergh, that's difficult to parse |
| 23:36.26 | kobrien | and do you fine people use it? |
| 23:36.27 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: /msg dpkg ries |
| 23:36.30 | JyZyXEL | i just wan the whole fucking thing frozen |
| 23:36.39 | JyZyXEL | so i can go to sleep and look at it in the morning |
| 23:36.40 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Unmount it. |
| 23:36.42 | Vasistha | kobrien: not risky at all. you should use it. |
| 23:36.43 | JyZyXEL | i can't |
| 23:36.46 | JyZyXEL | it says its being used |
| 23:36.56 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: see. thank you. |
| 23:36.56 | jhutchins_lt | shutdown -h now |
| 23:37.06 | JyZyXEL | no no i don't wanna shutdown the whole machine |
| 23:37.12 | JyZyXEL | just the raid array |
| 23:37.21 | JyZyXEL | OS is running on another disk so its fine |
| 23:37.26 | kobrien | Vasistha: how can I benefit from it? are many packages updated regularly through it? |
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| 23:38.01 | Vasistha | kobrien: it's for packages that ought to be in stable but which see frequent changes, thus not qualifying them for the regular stable repos. The best example I can think of would be virus scanners. Other examples might be IM client libraries |
| 23:38.23 | aguitel_ | anyone know how install Radeon HD 3200 Graphics in squeeze ? |
| 23:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Well, if you can |
| 23:38.33 | kobrien | Vasistha: ok cool. thanks. |
| 23:38.37 | jhutchins_lt | 't unmount it, you can't remount it ro. |
| 23:38.47 | JyZyXEL | should i do a mdadm --stop it? |
| 23:39.07 | simonrvn | Vasistha: well it was kinda on the fly, with not much thought in it on my part. i'll re-write it shortly. |
| 23:39.14 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: First you need to find out what the system thinks is using the disk. That's likely to cause trouble if you yank it. |
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| 23:39.31 | JyZyXEL | lsof freezes |
| 23:39.36 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: There are ways to use lsof and fuser... |
| 23:39.36 | JyZyXEL | forever |
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| 23:39.44 | JyZyXEL | and the process thats using the disk is zombied |
| 23:39.47 | JyZyXEL | you can't kill it |
| 23:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Hm. Sounds seriously messed up. |
| 23:39.57 | simonrvn | kobrien: volatile is for things like whois, clamav, spamasassin. stuff that needs updates often. |
| 23:40.03 | JyZyXEL | yea cause there was a kernel bug |
| 23:40.04 | simonrvn | *assassin |
| 23:40.08 | JyZyXEL | that fucked everything up |
| 23:40.31 | simonrvn | !radeonhd |
| 23:40.31 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> Xorg driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. Does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: I think I'd disable the code that loads it and shut the system down, disconnect power from it, and then if necessary start the system without it. |
| 23:40.57 | simonrvn | aguitel_: maybe you need that radeonhd |
| 23:41.00 | simonrvn | ^^^^ |
| 23:41.02 | JyZyXEL | i guess so |
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| 23:41.05 | kobrien | simonrvn: cheers |
| 23:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Sounds like you'll get a chance to prove your backups are good. |
| 23:41.24 | JyZyXEL | backups of a raid array |
| 23:41.25 | JyZyXEL | yea right |
| 23:41.32 | JyZyXEL | like anyone has money for that |
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| 23:41.34 | aguitel_ | simonrvn, were i get it |
| 23:41.38 | jhutchins_lt | Um. Always. Raid is NOT a substitute for backups. |
| 23:41.46 | Vasistha | simonrvn: it is a very good idea, though, kudos to you |
| 23:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | The people I know who use RAID have good backups. |
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| 23:42.07 | jhutchins_lt | Well, some of them. Some of them don't have their data any more. |
| 23:42.14 | JyZyXEL | hella rare to have kernel bugs in stable |
| 23:42.28 | simonrvn | Vasistha: kudos should go to abrotam, his idea; i just implemented and he added to it. |
| 23:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Raid introduces additional points of failure and makes backups MORE important. |
| 23:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: As I suspect you're about to find out. |
| 23:42.43 | simonrvn | aguitel_: 'where' you mean? in debian. |
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| 23:43.05 | JyZyXEL | well my data is still fully rw since im in degraded mode |
| 23:43.06 | JyZyXEL | should be ok |
| 23:43.09 | aguitel_ | simonrvn, yes in squeeze |
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| 23:43.22 | JyZyXEL | if another disk fails then i can still force assemble |
| 23:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Yes, but the frozen process suggests corruption. |
| 23:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: RAID does not correct for that. |
| 23:44.02 | simonrvn | !tell aguitel_ -about search |
| 23:44.05 | JyZyXEL | nothing important got frozen |
| 23:44.24 | JyZyXEL | i was just trying out ecryptfs with a bind mount |
| 23:44.30 | JyZyXEL | thing exploded |
| 23:44.56 | JyZyXEL | and the process that was writing thru that thing got frozen |
| 23:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: I sincerely hope you're right and nothing else cascades. Please let me know when you get it cleaned up, I kinda try to keep track of these things. |
| 23:45.07 | JyZyXEL | and i did few lsof's that are both frozen |
| 23:45.41 | JyZyXEL | and now hours later a disk dropped out of the raid |
| 23:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Figure out a way to make backups too. Data on a RAID can not be considered permanent any more than data on a flash drive. |
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| 23:46.24 | Vasistha | !debian-news |
| 23:46.25 | dpkg | Debian News! To find out what noteworthy things are going on, see <lenny>, <etch>, <wwsr>, <ries>, <dbugs 560056> |
| 23:46.56 | Vasistha | simonrvn: how do you make blootbot make an alias? I'd be inclined to use !debian news (with a space rather than a dash) |
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| 23:47.14 | themill | !debian news is <reply> see debian-news |
| 23:47.14 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 23:47.22 | Vasistha | ty |
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| 23:47.35 | simonrvn | debian news is see debian-news |
| 23:47.41 | lolufail | hi! |
| 23:47.45 | JyZyXEL | the raid device fail might be totally unrelated too |
| 23:47.57 | JyZyXEL | a bad cable |
| 23:48.09 | lolufail | can I mound a drbd volume without having a local partition to back it? |
| 23:48.11 | simonrvn | that bug is almost a palindrome.. |
| 23:48.14 | simonrvn | bug # |
| 23:48.17 | themill | debian-news =~ s/dbugs 560056/java ipv6/ |
| 23:48.22 | themill | !debian-news =~ s/dbugs 560056/java ipv6/ |
| 23:48.22 | bsdunix | can someone help me with some dpkg arguments? |
| 23:48.22 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 23:48.26 | lolufail | nfs style? |
| 23:48.56 | Vasistha | bsdunix: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 23:51.27 | bsdunix | i have a laptop with no ethernet port, a linksys 802.11G card in cardbus slot, i have b43-fwcutter .deb that is local and i need to also put the windows sourcefile (driver) local and point to it for the script's wget |
| 23:52.29 | bsdunix | i will fetch the src file w other machine, put on thumbdrive, mount and cp it to same dir, then try build... |
| 23:52.42 | bsdunix | hopefully |
| 23:52.59 | bsdunix | but my man dpkg is fruitless thus far |
| 23:53.02 | Vasistha | bsdunix: okay, what are you waiting for? :) |
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| 23:53.31 | bsdunix | how do i point dpkg to this local src file? |
| 23:53.39 | Vasistha | bsdunix: dpkg -i somefile.deb |
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| 23:54.25 | bsdunix | got that part, then the script runs, goes to fetch via wget to an external http:// site on the great interweb for this file |
| 23:54.26 | Vasistha | bsdunix: that said, have you read the factoids on your wireless card? |
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| 23:54.41 | Vasistha | bsdunix: ...but you're not online so it can't wget? |
| 23:54.50 | bsdunix | yes. i set this card up three times prior on other distros |
| 23:55.04 | bsdunix | right. not online with this machine |
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| 23:55.22 | Vasistha | bsdunix: well you could put that web site into your /etc/hosts and have it point back to 127.0.0.1, set up a web server with that directory |
| 23:55.28 | bsdunix | laptop does have a internal modem, but our phones are POE SIP |
| 23:55.56 | bsdunix | Vasistha: crafty devil... ;) |
| 23:56.07 | Vasistha | this is how we do it... |
| 23:56.29 | bsdunix | how to say; mille grazi -?? |
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| 23:57.04 | Vasistha | bsdunix: not my idea -- it was first proposed to me for the purpose of redirecting ad server queries! A thousand thank yous ... but we would say thanks very much |
| 23:58.07 | bsdunix | checks for LAMP stack |
| 23:58.37 | Vasistha | hopes bsdunix doesn't need mysql for this operation :) |
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