| 00:00.04 | bsdunix | blast. am not having the httpd here. |
| 00:01.05 | Vasistha | bsdunix: okay, here is an even crazier idea. Maybe you can run dpkg in a subshell environment where you define a wget function to override the wget executable |
| 00:01.13 | bsdunix | well. thanks. i now find way to thumbstick nginx on maybe |
| 00:01.48 | Vasistha | bsdunix: do you know exactly what wget command being executed is, with all its parameters? |
| 00:02.05 | Vasistha | *command is being executed |
| 00:02.07 | bsdunix | i could replicate shortly... |
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| 00:02.35 | Master_User | hallo hab ne frage zu windows |
| 00:02.41 | Master_User | linux sorry nicht kicken! |
| 00:02.45 | Vasistha | !de |
| 00:02.45 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 00:04.15 | bsdunix | "Preparing to replace b43-fwcutter..." |
| 00:04.50 | Vasistha | that's not really gonna help. Maybe there are 10 or so lines of output you could pastebin? |
| 00:05.02 | bsdunix | 1:i gotta go home. thanks. |
| 00:05.03 | Vasistha | oh, you have to type this manually, huh |
| 00:05.11 | Vasistha | bsdunix: well, good luck |
| 00:05.14 | bsdunix | exactly |
| 00:05.18 | bsdunix | :) |
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| 00:06.23 | Master_User | how i can run a command with a better priority?. |
| 00:07.31 | unlink | man nice |
| 00:07.37 | babilen | Master_User: "man renice" "man nice" |
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| 00:08.19 | autojack | anyone have an example of a really worthless package that's in the Debian repos? |
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| 00:09.57 | autojack | or even just something that fills an incredibly niche/specific need? |
| 00:11.08 | Titan8990 | !popcon |
| 00:11.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
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| 00:11.46 | autojack | hah |
| 00:12.09 | Titan8990 | autojack: zygrib-maps appears to be the least popular |
| 00:12.15 | autojack | I'm just having a debate with a friend who is complaining that CPAN is bad because it contains hacky Perl modules. |
| 00:12.26 | nevyn | cpan is bad. |
| 00:12.43 | autojack | I'm arguing that CPAN is no different from Sourceforge or the Red Hat or Debian package repos. |
| 00:12.52 | nevyn | it's a secondary package management system with reduced quality control |
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| 00:13.10 | autojack | heh, the quality control is exactly what he is complaining about. |
| 00:13.23 | nevyn | yep |
| 00:13.24 | autojack | I'm arguing that it's not the package management system's job to control quality. |
| 00:13.29 | nevyn | yes it is. |
| 00:14.24 | autojack | oh well, I can't have this argument in two channels at once :) |
| 00:14.29 | DogBoy | I could see both points of view on that one, but I can also see it's off topic |
| 00:14.33 | autojack | exactly. |
| 00:14.41 | Titan8990 | !offtopic |
| 00:14.41 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:15.00 | autojack | to get it more on topic, how would I determine the relative quality of a module in the Debian repos? |
| 00:15.05 | nevyn | notes that this is the most activity in channel in the last 15 minutes. |
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| 00:15.34 | Titan8990 | autojack: BTS? |
| 00:15.40 | nevyn | autojack: it conforms to the debian packaging policy doesn't step on other packages data or user data. |
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| 00:16.18 | autojack | yeah but how would I determine if it was any GOOD. |
| 00:16.32 | autojack | or is that part of the packaging policy? |
| 00:16.58 | devious | autojack: That's relative. A package that you have no use for may be exactly what I need. |
| 00:17.04 | autojack | I mean are there people who try to make an objective determination about whether a new package is worthy of being included in Debian? |
| 00:17.22 | autojack | devious: yeah that's what I'm trying to get to the heart of. |
| 00:18.10 | autojack | that's good to know though, so at least someone is trying to make sure that no two Debian packages will stomp on each other. |
| 00:18.23 | nevyn | autojack: stomping on each other is a grave bug. |
| 00:18.27 | autojack | yeah. |
| 00:18.38 | autojack | but my friend's complaint about CPAN is more that it contains stuff he considers pointless. |
| 00:18.54 | autojack | so my response is just that pointlessness is subjective. |
| 00:19.03 | nevyn | oh he's correct that it's evil. he's wrong about why. |
| 00:19.13 | autojack | and that there are "pointless" packages in any repo./ |
| 00:19.13 | nevyn | pointless is totally subjective |
| 00:19.17 | autojack | right. |
| 00:19.18 | devious | True. I don't see the point of gnome at all... |
| 00:19.22 | autojack | haha |
| 00:19.24 | nevyn | pornview. |
| 00:19.36 | autojack | I don't see the point of kernel-image personally. |
| 00:19.50 | autojack | we should be kernel-agnostic! |
| 00:19.50 | nevyn | autojack: you need one to install. |
| 00:20.09 | autojack | I should be able to install Hurd from apt! |
| 00:20.14 | autojack | on Debian... |
| 00:20.48 | nevyn | umm no. |
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| 00:21.10 | autojack | I haven't heard anyone mention Hurd since I stopped reading Slashdot. |
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| 00:21.31 | nevyn | I mean no from a that's completely technically impractical |
| 00:21.42 | autojack | yeah I understand that. I wasn't being serious. |
| 00:23.13 | nevyn | the with cpan, gems et al, is that there's no demarcation between the "system package manager" and the "middleware package manager" |
| 00:23.29 | autojack | not sure what you mean. |
| 00:23.44 | nevyn | there are things from cpan in debian. |
| 00:24.28 | autojack | you mean Perl modules in .deb form? |
| 00:25.00 | nevyn | cpan modules that have been packaged as debs. yes. |
| 00:25.05 | autojack | right... |
| 00:25.16 | nevyn | so who's responcible for those? dpkg, or cpan? |
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| 00:25.30 | nevyn | particularly wrt security updates and version upgrades |
| 00:25.43 | babilen | that would be debian |
| 00:25.46 | autojack | I would think the answer is, "you shouldn't mix them." |
| 00:25.55 | autojack | mainly. |
| 00:26.12 | nevyn | and if that were the policy that'd be fine |
| 00:26.14 | autojack | but yeah otherwise I would say, the person who maintains the Debian package is responsible. |
| 00:26.14 | nevyn | additionally |
| 00:26.27 | nevyn | the drama is. |
| 00:26.49 | nevyn | you install perl program foo which requires perl (obv) and cpan module bar |
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| 00:27.00 | nevyn | so the dependancies have to be in debian in .deb |
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| 00:27.15 | nevyn | but then in your own code you want to use cpan module bar. |
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| 00:27.38 | nevyn | but the version in debian (cause you're running stable) is ancient so you use cpan to update it. |
| 00:27.50 | nevyn | now you have a newer bar which breaks app foo |
| 00:28.04 | nevyn | (this is a hypothetical example) |
| 00:28.13 | autojack | seems valid enough, though it's not a problem I've ever had. |
| 00:28.30 | autojack | I've never knowingly installed a Perl module from Debian. |
| 00:28.36 | autojack | I only use CPAN. |
| 00:28.41 | crazy2k | Hello. I have a file with one line like this: "[1, 2, 3] [20, 10, 50] [320, 340. 500]" and I want the last list. Actually, I want everything from the last "[" to the end of the file. How can I get that? cut? |
| 00:28.56 | autojack | but I see what you're saying, if there are packages in Debian that require Perl modules. |
| 00:29.02 | autojack | then you mix the two. |
| 00:29.16 | autojack | I don't really see any good solutions to that problem though. |
| 00:29.17 | nevyn | the auditing problem is that because cpan is opaque to dpkg you can't get a list of all installed software |
| 00:29.26 | autojack | and I still don't really see how it's CPAN's fault. |
| 00:29.30 | themill | autojack: you'll probably have dozens of them on your system. aptitude search ~nlib.*perl~i |
| 00:30.09 | autojack | looks like I have 22. |
| 00:30.14 | nevyn | autojack: not saying it is. it breaks things that are important to some people |
| 00:30.45 | autojack | but one could just as easily say that apt is the one breaking things. |
| 00:30.49 | nevyn | sure. |
| 00:31.03 | nevyn | and if that's you're view slackware is still maintained. ;) |
| 00:31.11 | autojack | hehe |
| 00:31.16 | themill | CPAN probably shouldn't be installing into /usr/ though -- there's /usr/local/ for it to use |
| 00:31.59 | nevyn | themill: I don't know that policy currently addresses secondary package management systems to specify that tho |
| 00:32.14 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: Debian policy doesn't, but it's what you should be doing |
| 00:32.16 | autojack | I guess all I can say is that I've been using Debian and CPAN for 8+ years and I've never had this problem. |
| 00:32.31 | dondelelcaro | otherwise you'll have CPAN stomping all over it |
| 00:32.39 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: if cpan is apt-got as a package it should be PACKAGED to conform to policy |
| 00:32.55 | autojack | but I can see how one false move along these lines could really bust stuff. |
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| 00:33.27 | nevyn | autojack: now you're developing something in a large environment where people doing development arn't responcible for deployment |
| 00:34.03 | nevyn | this stuff get's really horrible. |
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| 00:34.55 | autojack | yeah |
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| 00:39.52 | autojack | oh well, I'm off. thanks for the discussion :) |
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| 01:04.20 | yoda__ | hi |
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| 01:04.37 | yoda__ | I need help |
| 01:04.47 | yoda__ | I wanted to install two versions of linux |
| 01:04.53 | yoda__ | one knoppix and one ubuntu |
| 01:05.03 | yoda__ | but they don't work together |
| 01:05.08 | yoda__ | I have Grub troubles |
| 01:05.15 | yoda__ | can anyone help me? |
| 01:05.17 | d3x | so you decided to ask in #debian? |
| 01:05.19 | yoda__ | :) |
| 01:05.32 | yoda__ | there is even a knoppix channel? |
| 01:05.39 | yoda__ | I have not found it |
| 01:06.07 | yoda__ | :( |
| 01:06.08 | Titan8990 | yoda__: did you try #knoppix? |
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| 01:06.08 | yoda__ | no |
| 01:06.18 | yoda__ | I will try |
| 01:06.27 | yoda__ | sorry I didn't know it exist |
| 01:06.27 | d3x | is knoppix even alive? |
| 01:06.37 | yoda__ | the channel? |
| 01:06.40 | yoda__ | I dunno |
| 01:06.42 | Titan8990 | d3x: yes |
| 01:06.49 | d3x | no, the project |
| 01:06.52 | yoda__ | there is none |
| 01:06.59 | yoda__ | the project yes |
| 01:07.01 | Titan8990 | !knoppix |
| 01:07.02 | yoda__ | still alive |
| 01:07.02 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 01:07.08 | yoda__ | they release a new version |
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| 01:07.44 | yoda__ | ah the channel work |
| 01:07.46 | yoda__ | sorry |
| 01:07.53 | yoda__ | I will ask there |
| 01:07.53 | yoda__ | later |
| 01:07.56 | d3x | ok, nvm, i'm going to sleep |
| 01:07.57 | yoda__ | bye thanks |
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| 01:10.35 | darkhmet | hi, im having problems with my sound |
| 01:10.42 | darkhmet | some one can help me? |
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| 01:15.57 | RobDalan | you'll have to be more specific for anyone to be able to help. |
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| 01:21.59 | chillindave | What are the chances someone here can help me figure out why exim4 isn't working correctly? |
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| 01:23.37 | lindenle | Hi my audio is very choppy. Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio. 2.6.30-2-amd64. In kde. any thoughts |
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| 01:24.07 | wols_ | chillindave: what are the chances you know how to ask for help on irc? |
| 01:24.52 | chillindave | wols_, Far better than finding help with exim4. |
| 01:25.59 | wols_ | doesn't look like it so far... |
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| 01:27.13 | chillindave | wols_, Well, I've read the info for debian on exim4, I've installed it, configured it to the best of my knowledge, and so far I've flunked repeatedly. |
| 01:27.41 | chillindave | I'm trying to use it to pass local emails (ex. from PHP) to a remote smtp server for processing. |
| 01:28.11 | format_c | chillindave, for this you don't need exim4 |
| 01:28.59 | wols_ | I guess it's official: you don't know |
| 01:29.39 | chillindave | format_c, What do I need? I just need something that works. period. |
| 01:29.56 | chillindave | I've spent months trying to figure out how to send emails from PHP scripts. |
| 01:30.02 | wols_ | !nullmailer |
| 01:30.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 01:30.40 | chillindave | wols_, Thank you, I'll look into it. |
| 01:31.16 | format_c | chillindave, how do you want to send mails via PHP? |
| 01:31.28 | chillindave | Using the mail() function. |
| 01:31.55 | chillindave | I know you have to specify something for the sendmail value in the php.ini file, which before I was told that would be exif. |
| 01:32.00 | chillindave | I mean exim4 |
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| 01:35.09 | format_c | chillindave, php defaults to use `sendmail` and exim4 provides a symlink to exim4 as sendmail: |
| 01:35.13 | CompWizrd | ssmtp is pretty easy to setup as well |
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| 01:35.57 | wols | dpkg helponirc is Getting help on IRC is different from phoning tech support of a vendor. To help you and us to solve your problem(s) faster, please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc and try to follow those guidelines when asking for help |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | okay, wols |
| 01:36.17 | format_c | $ ls -lh /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 01:36.17 | format_c | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 1. Okt 17:32 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 01:36.23 | chillindave | format_c, I have just had no luck getting it to work. Somehow email eludes my comprehension. |
| 01:36.45 | format_c | for your purpose you just need to install sendmail |
| 01:37.14 | wols | format_c: wtf? |
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| 01:37.57 | wols | chillindave: you haven't given us a single useful problem description yet. whining is satisfying but doesn't solve your problem |
| 01:38.55 | chillindave | wols, Well I have no idea where my problem lies because I've done just about every "How-to-fix" I could find. I'm trying to setup nullmailer now with any luck. |
| 01:39.36 | chillindave | wols, I don't know how to describe the problem other than I try executing the mail() script and the email never get's to it's recepient. |
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| 01:40.47 | wols | check your logs then. your MTA provides lots of them |
| 01:40.52 | format_c | maybe it will also help to record the tcp stream while sending. Sometimes wrong DNS/hostname settings may cause problems. |
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| 01:41.17 | wols | first thing before you install any new software is to make sure this software actually is the one link in the chain that needs to be fixed |
| 01:41.51 | chillindave | It says "533 Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts. |
| 01:42.09 | chillindave | I searched that error and didn't find anything useful from Google. |
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| 01:42.34 | format_c | chillindave, well this says that you already own a fully working SMTP client program |
| 01:42.53 | wols | and a fully working but misconfigured MTA |
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| 01:43.19 | format_c | wols, you meant the destination MTA? |
| 01:43.19 | wols | what server is this, you try to use for relay? |
| 01:43.28 | wols | format_c: no, HIS mta |
| 01:43.50 | wols | the error message is his smarthost saying "you didn't auth properly for me to relay your crap" |
| 01:43.52 | chillindave | wols, Do you mean the server I'm sending the emails to via SMTP? |
| 01:43.56 | wols | if it is a smarthost at all |
| 01:44.13 | wols | usually yes. but check your mail logs |
| 01:44.14 | chillindave | Or my server? |
| 01:44.29 | format_c | chillindave, pls also make sure that the PTR record of the sending host eaquals to /etc/hostname |
| 01:44.57 | format_c | This was one of the starting problems I encountered at the beginning. |
| 01:45.35 | chillindave | format_c, PTR record? |
| 01:45.59 | ponyofdeath | Anyone know if debian squeeze has an suitable dom0 kernel? Do I have to comile the xen.org 2.6.18 kernel to be able to use squeeze as an dom0? |
| 01:46.20 | wols | !xen |
| 01:46.21 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 01:46.21 | format_c | dig -x <IP> |
| 01:47.34 | muddd | is zen similar to virtualbox? |
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| 01:48.14 | ponyofdeath | wols: thanks il check there |
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| 01:54.55 | Vasistha | muddd: well there are some things in common, but if you are looking for something that does what virtualbox does, my answer would be no - xen is not what you're looking for |
| 01:57.26 | muddd | kthx |
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| 01:58.18 | muddd | wooooooooooo abrotman |
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| 01:58.51 | abrotman | best welcome ever? |
| 01:59.04 | Vasistha | \o/ |
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| 01:59.52 | muddd | abrotman, how long have you been helping people on here? I remember you from a long time ago it seems. |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | muddd: a few weeks |
| 02:00.12 | peterrooney | no, that would be, "oooooooooh abrotman" |
| 02:00.19 | Vasistha | heh |
| 02:00.26 | muddd | ha |
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| 02:03.33 | Vasistha | abrotman: seems like you were new-ish around the time I first appeared here, early 2006 ... I suspect you haven't disappeared for long stretches as I have |
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| 02:04.19 | darkhmet | Hi... im having problems with my sound card, i don't why it doesn't work... y just update my kernel from the .26 to .30... some one can help me with that?... if need more info tell me |
| 02:04.21 | xrfang | what is the debian way to perform the following task: chkconfig smartd on; service smartd start |
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| 02:04.30 | GogaNS | hi guys |
| 02:04.32 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 02:04.32 | GogaNS | can any1 help me ? |
| 02:04.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 02:04.50 | Titan8990 | darkhmet: none of the releases currently have a .30 kernel |
| 02:04.57 | NetEcho | is there a way to Utilize the Remote Desktop Client Windows 7 has to remotely connect to Ubuntu? |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | Vasistha: i was far from new then |
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| 02:05.20 | Titan8990 | xrfang: update-rc.d add smartd; invoke-rc.d smartd start |
| 02:05.21 | NetEcho | instead of using a VNC server |
| 02:05.38 | xrfang | thanks Titan! |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | Vasistha: nickserv says i've been here since 2k4 .. and i know i've been here quite a bit longer .. really "/msg dpkg debstats" is a better indicator i guess |
| 02:06.00 | GogaNS | can any1 help me |
| 02:06.02 | GogaNS | with log files ? |
| 02:06.17 | darkhmet | Titan8990: i follow some steps from wiki.debian.org to isntall a iwlagn driver for wifi... |
| 02:06.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: that is a long time! Wish I had known about this place when I first installed debian in 2003, I think I would have learned a lot faster |
| 02:06.31 | darkhmet | and there is a kernel for that |
| 02:06.37 | Titan8990 | !iwlagn |
| 02:06.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 02:06.59 | NetEcho | sorry wrong chan |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | heh .. 2003 .. n00b!!! :) |
| 02:07.37 | Vasistha | ha! yeah, actually |
| 02:07.45 | darkhmet | yeah... |
| 02:07.55 | darkhmet | and it works perfectly |
| 02:08.10 | darkhmet | but my sound card doesn't! |
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| 02:09.38 | Titan8990 | darkhmet: I'm not sure why that guide does not use the kernel metapackage from backports... anyways, does "alsaconf" detect your soundcard? |
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| 02:10.44 | darkhmet | i'll try it |
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| 02:12.05 | darkhmet | yeah... it detect |
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| 02:12.43 | Titan8990 | !alsa |
| 02:12.43 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:13.07 | Titan8990 | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:13.07 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 02:13.16 | darkhmet | let me test it |
| 02:13.41 | Rapsodius | Is there any way to make a partition on the whole disk? |
| 02:13.41 | muddd | nice |
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| 02:14.22 | Titan8990 | Rapsodius: you can make a partition that fills all available disk space |
| 02:14.25 | Rapsodius | like instead of making a /dev/sdan partition, where n is a number, make a single partition on /dev/sda |
| 02:14.43 | GogaNS | can anyone help me here ? :) |
| 02:14.53 | Rapsodius | Titan8990: that's not what i want to do |
| 02:14.54 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 02:14.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:15.14 | Titan8990 | Rapsodius: what is the purpose? |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | Rapsodius: you want a raw partition ? |
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| 02:15.53 | Titan8990 | GogaNS: you won't know if you don't ask |
| 02:15.55 | Rapsodius | is my mp3 player, with stock was like that: a single partition on /dev/sda, being that there was no /dev/sda1 or something |
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| 02:16.25 | Rapsodius | however i messed up and despite copying music to it, it can't read it |
| 02:16.41 | Rapsodius | but my computer can read the partition |
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| 02:16.48 | GogaNS | :) |
| 02:16.54 | GogaNS | i have problems with |
| 02:16.58 | GogaNS | very big samba log files |
| 02:17.06 | GogaNS | logs just fill my harddisk |
| 02:17.21 | GogaNS | and i need to delete logs and restart pc |
| 02:17.22 | abrotman | what is in the log files? which kernel? which samba version? |
| 02:17.32 | GogaNS | debian 5.0 |
| 02:17.35 | GogaNS | i can see kernel |
| 02:17.41 | GogaNS | log was 130 gb, lol |
| 02:17.45 | Rapsodius | abrotman: what is a raw partition? |
| 02:17.46 | GogaNS | didnt open it :D |
| 02:18.05 | GogaNS | and that happen every 3, 4 days |
| 02:18.14 | GogaNS | sec, ill go to check kernel version |
| 02:18.16 | Titan8990 | GogaNS: what is being logged? |
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| 02:18.17 | Rapsodius | GogaNS: I don't know samba, but maybe reduce the verbosity on the logs? |
| 02:18.25 | ngomes | maybe you need to check your samba config |
| 02:19.18 | GogaNS | kernel version Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 02:19.30 | Titan8990 | GogaNS: I mean... is it 130gb of samba telling you there is a problem? |
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| 02:19.41 | GogaNS | i didnt opened log file :S |
| 02:19.49 | GogaNS | just deleted it |
| 02:19.55 | Titan8990 | win administration! |
| 02:20.03 | GogaNS | in log file |
| 02:20.11 | GogaNS | i have log size=1000 |
| 02:20.14 | GogaNS | log level = 0 |
| 02:20.20 | ngomes | u wont solve if u dont know what it is , GogaNS |
| 02:20.27 | GogaNS | can i just remove |
| 02:20.29 | GogaNS | samba logs ? |
| 02:20.30 | GogaNS | for now |
| 02:20.33 | GogaNS | how to do it ? |
| 02:20.40 | GogaNS | log path = /dev/null ? |
| 02:20.48 | Titan8990 | !logrotate |
| 02:20.48 | dpkg | logrotate is, like, a log rotation program that sings |
| 02:20.51 | ngomes | link file to /dev/null |
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| 02:21.02 | Titan8990 | this is terrible |
| 02:21.10 | GogaNS | ill link to /dev/null for now |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | that's a *horrible* idea |
| 02:21.43 | GogaNS | :D |
| 02:21.44 | GogaNS | why ? |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | because the log is telling you something |
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| 02:22.00 | GogaNS | i think i have virus in network |
| 02:22.06 | abrotman | apparently 130GB of something |
| 02:22.06 | GogaNS | who creates .exe files |
| 02:22.08 | GogaNS | on fserv now |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | don't you think that's important? |
| 02:22.23 | GogaNS | i think |
| 02:22.27 | GogaNS | but |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | !logrotate |
| 02:22.35 | dpkg | from memory, logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | bleh ... |
| 02:22.48 | GogaNS | i had logrotate |
| 02:22.52 | GogaNS | but :S |
| 02:22.55 | GogaNS | its just a 1 file |
| 02:22.58 | GogaNS | and when i delete it |
| 02:23.00 | GogaNS | i need to restart comp |
| 02:23.04 | GogaNS | to system up |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | GogaNS: lay off your enter key |
| 02:23.14 | darkhmet | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:23.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 02:23.27 | GogaNS | i removed log rotation today :D |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | great plan |
| 02:23.51 | ngomes | sysadmin++ |
| 02:24.07 | GogaNS | not so great :D |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | uhm .. how does that deserve a ++ ? |
| 02:24.23 | ngomes | irony |
| 02:24.40 | GogaNS | i just removed samba from log rotation |
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| 02:24.50 | abrotman | that's just dumb |
| 02:24.50 | wols | ngomes: please learn what irony is. start with the dictionary entry of "sarcasm" |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | would settle for 'you' |
| 02:25.04 | GogaNS | in log rotation i had this |
| 02:25.05 | GogaNS | invoke-rc.d --quiet samba reload > /dev/null |
| 02:25.06 | tpocra | One of my LVM2 logical volumes is inactive |
| 02:25.09 | tpocra | according to lvscan |
| 02:25.17 | GogaNS | and this |
| 02:25.17 | wols | abrotman: you have low standards |
| 02:25.17 | tpocra | Can I find out why this is? |
| 02:25.17 | GogaNS | [ ! -f /var/run/samba/nmbd.pid ] || kill -HUP `cat /var/run/samba/nmbd.pid` |
| 02:25.43 | ngomes | wols, can be sarcasm too |
| 02:25.46 | Titan8990 | GogaNS: your really going out of your way to supress a problem instead of fixing it |
| 02:25.53 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:26.04 | GogaNS | so Titan8990 |
| 02:26.07 | GogaNS | what to do ? |
| 02:26.16 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I should add a stat for how many times you have corrected me on that.. |
| 02:26.26 | wols | look at the log and fix the damn problem(s) it reports? |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | Titan8990: it's not just you :) |
| 02:26.34 | GogaNS | just open 1 file |
| 02:26.36 | wols | cause you know, that's why there are logs in the first place! |
| 02:26.41 | GogaNS | 135 gb file ? |
| 02:26.49 | ngomes | use tail to check last lines |
| 02:26.57 | GogaNS | hm :) |
| 02:27.05 | wols | no, do not use tail. use less to check the FIRST lines |
| 02:27.13 | GogaNS | why first ? |
| 02:27.16 | abrotman | GogaNS: did you actually read the log? |
| 02:27.23 | GogaNS | didnt, i removed that |
| 02:27.26 | GogaNS | to wake up server |
| 02:27.33 | abrotman | GogaNS: did you actually read the log? |
| 02:28.39 | GogaNS | this is now in that log |
| 02:28.41 | GogaNS | [2010/03/30 23:36:04, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_socket_with_timeout(939)[2010/03/30 23:36:04, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr_internal(1676) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected read_socket_with_timeout: client 0.0.0.0 read error = Connection reset by peer.[2010/03/31 01:29:41, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_socket_with_timeout(939)[2010/03/31 01:29:41, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr_internal(1676) getpee |
| 02:28.51 | GogaNS | last lines |
| 02:29.01 | Rapsodius | is a raw partition mountable? |
| 02:29.08 | Rapsodius | how to create it? |
| 02:29.12 | ngomes | check 200 last lines or somethin with -n parameter |
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| 02:29.44 | darkhmet | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:29.44 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 02:30.17 | SerajewelKS | Rapsodius: by "raw partition" do you mean "creating a volume using an entire disk, with no partition table?" |
| 02:30.38 | Rapsodius | !tell darkhmet about self tell |
| 02:30.44 | SerajewelKS | Rapsodius: if so, yes it is possible -- just mkfs on the entire device, then mount the entire device |
| 02:30.55 | Rapsodius | fine |
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| 02:31.03 | Rapsodius | gonna try that |
| 02:31.37 | SerajewelKS | Rapsodius: honestly though i would just create one big partition -- you're only saving a few sectors of space by not having a partition table |
| 02:31.41 | wols | Rapsodius: if this disk ever comes into proximity of windows, bad things will happen to your windows |
| 02:31.44 | spersaud | Rapsodius: with a nick like that you must be slowly dying with no sound |
| 02:31.50 | wols | not a bad thing of course, just be aware of it |
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| 02:32.13 | darkhmet | ok, sorry |
| 02:32.33 | Rapsodius | i don't care about bad things ;P |
| 02:33.02 | sixz | hey guys, I just downloaded a dvd torrent, the contents are something like this: http://pastebin.com/SCxh65Pj -- what tool would I use to burn this on a DVD disc? |
| 02:33.23 | SerajewelKS | sixz: you would use your wallet and a store to do so, i believe |
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| 02:33.36 | Rapsodius | brasero? cat image.iso > /dev/dvd |
| 02:33.59 | sixz | huh Rapsodius? there's no iso file |
| 02:34.21 | sixz | only the dirs and files that are listed in that ls. Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding something |
| 02:34.23 | SerajewelKS | sixz: please ask your questions about warez somewhere else, preferably on efnet or something |
| 02:34.35 | sixz | SerajewelKS, this isn't about warez, you idiot |
| 02:34.36 | zinx | SerajewelKS: more like rizon |
| 02:35.10 | SerajewelKS | sixz: it's a free content movie? |
| 02:35.13 | Rapsodius | sorry didn't see the pastebin |
| 02:35.15 | sixz | the DVD in question is a free one, my question is a technical one, it has nothing to do with the legality of anything |
| 02:35.21 | zinx | sixz: growisofs -dvd-video |
| 02:35.24 | muddd | mplayer would play it |
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| 02:35.42 | muddd | oh to burn it |
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| 02:35.52 | dkr | sixz: growisofs -dvd-compat -dvd-video -speed=4 -Z /dev/dvd /media/WD2/media/MOVIE |
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| 02:36.05 | sixz | thanks dkr, I'll try it out right now |
| 02:36.08 | wolfric | not sure if this is just linux or debian... what encryption does it use to encrypt passwords? |
| 02:36.10 | dkr | although your speed might be higher, my burner sucks, :) |
| 02:36.19 | SerajewelKS | sixz: ah, that would be a good thing to say up front. :) being on the internet for a while, you start to assume "download a dvd torrent" has some implications... |
| 02:36.22 | muddd | sixz, i like k3b |
| 02:36.26 | wolfric | as in user passwords stored in /etc/shadow |
| 02:36.59 | SerajewelKS | sixz: but yes, growisofs can be used to create an iso or burn, see what dkr said and check the manpage |
| 02:37.19 | sixz | muddd, I love k3b too, but when I tried burning it, it kept asking for a single iso file. I don't know how I would have it burn what I have (bup files and vob files) |
| 02:37.25 | Rapsodius | SerajewelKS: you saved my day with that hehe |
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| 02:37.33 | Rapsodius | it worked perfectly |
| 02:37.48 | SerajewelKS | Rapsodius: np |
| 02:38.05 | muddd | sixz, mencoder/mplayer can convert stuff, along with ffmpeg |
| 02:38.13 | zinx | dkr: the media usually has the speed on it, so you don't usually need to specify, unless you get better quality burns at a lower speed |
| 02:38.15 | muddd | but its a bit of a read-me |
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| 02:39.25 | SerajewelKS | muddd: he doesn't need any conversion, the files are already converted and ready for burning |
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| 02:39.32 | wols | sixz: you need to "author" the dvd |
| 02:39.59 | muddd | oh yeah sorry keep thinking of converting avi's to dvd. |
| 02:40.00 | zinx | wols: it's already in DVD format, just not in iso/udf format |
| 02:40.23 | zinx | wols: growisofs will build that part |
| 02:40.23 | SerajewelKS | at any rate, the answer has already been given |
| 02:40.26 | wols | zinx: then put all of it in a data dvd and burn it? |
| 02:40.37 | zinx | wols: that has already been mentioned, with a full command :) |
| 02:40.46 | muddd | booyah |
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| 02:41.56 | iateadonut | what's a good smtp server? |
| 02:42.17 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: i like postfix |
| 02:42.20 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 02:42.20 | dpkg | Courier loses mail. |
| 02:42.21 | dkr | eximexim |
| 02:42.41 | SerajewelKS | i thought courier was a POP server :P |
| 02:42.44 | Titan8990 | iateadonut: depends on your needs. exim4 is the default MTA for debian |
| 02:42.58 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: courier does pop, imap, and smtp |
| 02:43.00 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: personally i find postfix configuration a ton easier than exim |
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| 02:43.16 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: ah, guess i've only used it for POP |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it also does MTA/SMTP |
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| 02:43.31 | twb | Is there an apt-listbugs that ISN'T written in ruby? |
| 02:43.43 | joshteam | how do you delete a package and all of the files that were installed with it? |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | doesn't recall it being in ruby ... |
| 02:43.59 | SerajewelKS | twb: do you have some philisophical problem with ruby? |
| 02:44.03 | iateadonut | so postfix is probably best? i've never set up an smtp before. think it might take an hour or more like a day? |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | twb: there is .. a web browser |
| 02:44.09 | SerajewelKS | joshteam: aptitude purge packagename |
| 02:44.11 | dkr | joshteam: purge instead of remove to remove config files also |
| 02:44.15 | twb | SerajewelKS: merely aesthetic. |
| 02:44.40 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: postfix didn't take me that long to set up with a decent howto |
| 02:45.01 | SerajewelKS | twb: i'm not sure what implementation language has to do with aesthetics, but ok :) |
| 02:45.02 | twb | But also when I tell aptitude to reinstall all installed packages (to test something unrelated), apt-listbugs is stupidly fetching every bug for every installed package -- despite my not UPGRADING anything |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | twb: there is another command for manipulating the bts |
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| 02:45.08 | Titan8990 | iateadonut: my first smtp server took about a week. it was for production so I did it carefully with a lot of testing. |
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| 02:45.20 | twb | abrotman: yes: bts(1) and querybts(1). |
| 02:45.30 | abrotman | not good enough ? |
| 02:45.34 | twb | abrotman: but I meant something integrated into apt, providing an opt-out mechanism. |
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| 02:45.43 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: i tweaked for several weeks after initial config, for security and performance |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | twb: i don't think so |
| 02:46.03 | twb | Oh well. |
| 02:46.15 | abrotman | twb: the requirements for apt-listbugs are pretty sane |
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| 02:46.45 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: you might just google howtos for various MTAs (postfix, exim, courier) and see which you like the best |
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| 02:46.59 | twb | It annoys me that I already have to tolerate perl and python (because so much stuff uses them); having to install ruby as well because some weenie thought it was cool one weekend is mildly annoying. |
| 02:47.33 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: i honestly don't know how they stack up in terms of security, but with a properly configured postfix setup i didn't have any breaches for over a year, and there were constant attempts to pass spam through it |
| 02:48.02 | SerajewelKS | twb: i know, programming frameworks and code reuse sucks |
| 02:48.06 | Titan8990 | , info ruby |
| 02:48.07 | judd | ruby (interpreters, optional): An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. Version: 4.2; Size: 20.2k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: http://www.ruby-lang.org/ |
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| 02:48.12 | abrotman | twb: they're scripting languages .. if you feel that strongly, reimplement it in another |
| 02:48.16 | SerajewelKS | twb: think of all the space you could save if you didn't have all those pesky libraries installed! |
| 02:48.18 | twb | abrotman: nod. |
| 02:48.31 | twb | SerajewelKS: we don't all have 8GB drives. |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | twb: i mean .. would you be happier if they wrote it in PHP? bash? python? |
| 02:48.55 | SerajewelKS | twb: we also don't use perl or python :) |
| 02:49.00 | Titan8990 | the interpreter isn't very large if its just that one package |
| 02:49.01 | twb | abrotman: given libdpkg and libapt predilections, perl or C would be the obvious choice. |
| 02:49.13 | Titan8990 | , depends ruby |
| 02:49.14 | judd | ruby -- depends: ruby1.8. |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | twb: except the person writing it may not have been involved in either of those directly |
| 02:50.15 | SerajewelKS | people write stuff in languages they are familiar with or like. you're not obligated to use their software, and they're probably not going to take kindly to you telling them what languages they may use to write software in their free time. |
| 02:50.49 | twb | SerajewelKS: I didn't come in and say "hey, you fucking idiots, why did you use Ruby, it's shit" |
| 02:51.04 | twb | I translated that in my head into "is there an alternative?" |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | twb: if you really want it in python/perl/C .. go rewrite it .. someone has been rewriting what apt-get/aptitude do in perl and calling it cupt |
| 02:51.12 | SerajewelKS | twb: no, i know, i'm just saying |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | judd: info cupt |
| 02:51.20 | judd | No record of package 'cupt' in lenny/i386. |
| 02:51.25 | abrotman | judd: info cupt --release squeeze |
| 02:51.27 | judd | cupt (perl, optional): alternative front-end for dpkg -- console interface. Version: 1.5.6; Size: 64.0k; Installed: 200k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/Cupt |
| 02:53.49 | iateadonut | thanks. postfix looks very easy with debian's documentation. |
| 02:53.53 | sixz | <wols> zinx: then put all of it in a data dvd and burn it? < - ah, okay. One problem - The entire MOVIE folder is some 7.7 GB, the DVD disc only has some 4 GB of space. What do you recommend I do - divide it? Am I safe to maintain the entire hierarchy of the folder, but just set aside some of vob files, and then on a second round, do the same thing, except with the ones that I'd set aside? (ls -R of the movie as it is currently in my HDD: http: |
| 02:53.53 | sixz | //pastebin.com/SCxh65Pj ) |
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| 03:00.19 | ^Lem^ | hi all, i have encountered some odd behaviour on Debian Sid, Linux 2.6.32-3-amd64, involving lag on the ethernet device which also has a pppoe connection running on it (residential ADSL modem in bridge mode). the lag occurs when there is an upload spike on the ADSL. all connections on the ethernet (inc. VNC, NFS, ssh) will lag for 400ms (measured by ping). this behaviour was noticed when upgrading to 2.6.31 and .32 kernels from |
| 03:00.19 | ^Lem^ | 2.6.26 (lenny) |
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| 03:00.55 | ngomes | ^Lem^, rollback kernel :-) |
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| 03:01.45 | ^Lem^ | ngomes, yep can do. next question, should i be submitting a bug report somewhere? a friend suggested there's some network stack jamming going on in the kernel. oh, this happens identically on ubuntu 9.10 AMD64 also |
| 03:02.09 | ngomes | dont know |
| 03:03.03 | ^Lem^ | ok, cool |
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| 03:08.18 | rudi_s | ^Lem^: Better report it. |
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| 03:12.20 | SerajewelKS | sixz: dividing the data is not necessarily safe, i don't think |
| 03:12.32 | SerajewelKS | sixz: it sounds like you might need a dual-layer disc and burner |
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| 03:14.21 | SerajewelKS | sixz: if you use genisoimage first to make the ISO will let you measure the actual size of the ISO against media as well |
| 03:14.47 | Vasistha | sixz: this might help, there are some guidelines to do that: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/howto-dvd-vob-iso-dvd-duplicate-dvd5-exact-copy-348492/ |
| 03:15.52 | ^Lem^ | rudi_s: that's what i thought. do you know the most appropriate place? i.e. bug report against pppd, the kernel, or other? |
| 03:16.26 | rudi_s | ^Lem^: I think kernel sounds the best. |
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| 03:16.56 | ngomes | i tryed to report a wifi issue without sucess few days ago |
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| 03:17.26 | ^Lem^ | rudi_s: ok thanks, i'll just double check that it doesn't happen on 2.6.26 (it was a while ago that i updated to 2.6.3x), pretty sure not since this is really weird behaviour, then file the report. thanks |
| 03:17.36 | rudi_s | np |
| 03:17.40 | ngomes | kernel bug reporting is badly organized imo |
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| 03:18.43 | ^Lem^ | ngomes: i was going to use debian's bug reporting tool, so i guess it would get filed against debian's kernel, rather than upstream (at least initially) |
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| 03:32.18 | Jerub | I am currently having a problem upgrading a very old debian machine that is still on a 2.4 kernel. |
| 03:32.43 | Jerub | i can't upgrade glibc without upgrading the kernel, but I can't upgrade the kernel without upgrading glibc. |
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| 03:33.56 | Jerub | any hints on how to step through this upgrade? |
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| 03:37.19 | wols | jony123: what debian version is it? |
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| 03:37.26 | Jerub | any hints would be appreciated. http://paste2.org/p/747133 |
| 03:37.31 | JordiGH | does modern Firefox have built-in Theora support? |
| 03:37.37 | wols | you can only upgrade to the next version, e.g. from sarge to woody, from woody to etch and so on |
| 03:38.30 | JordiGH | Yeah, since 3.1 |
| 03:38.54 | Jerub | okay, i'm on sarge at the moment. |
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| 03:39.12 | wols | jony123: install an etch kernel since you already fucked up your install by going directly to lenny |
| 03:39.24 | wols | Jerub: ^^ |
| 03:39.29 | Jerub | wols: i am. |
| 03:39.54 | wols | you am what? |
| 03:40.00 | Jerub | ah ha. |
| 03:40.05 | Jerub | it was the security repo causing stuff |
| 03:40.25 | Jerub | okay, upgrade proceeding now |
| 03:40.27 | Jerub | thankyou |
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| 03:43.52 | drum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RyHDOCOoew |
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| 03:45.42 | simonrvn | thank you idoru |
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| 03:46.13 | simonrvn | oh, it's a bot =) |
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| 03:47.15 | wolfric | why are lots of directories always shown as 4096 on the size using ls -l |
| 03:47.40 | twb | wolfric: because they consume exactly 4kiB. |
| 03:48.04 | twb | wolfric: this is because ext needs one block per directory, and the typical block size is 4kiB. |
| 03:48.15 | wolfric | ahhh i see |
| 03:48.31 | twb | On xfs, btrfs, resierfs, etc, they will require a lot less space. |
| 03:48.48 | twb | (Proportionally to 4kiB.) |
| 03:49.10 | wolfric | of course but still 4kb is HUGE for a directory |
| 03:49.10 | Wyzard | minimum of one block per directory |
| 03:49.18 | Wyzard | Directories containing many files need more blocks |
| 03:49.32 | twb | Wyzard: right, sorry |
| 03:49.39 | wolfric | can that block store more than just the directory? or is that block taken up completly for the directory |
| 03:49.52 | Wyzard | 4k is huge for a directory, but pretty tiny for a disk, so it's not really a big deal IMO |
| 03:49.59 | twb | wolfric: ext is very dumb (read: reliable, robust) |
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| 03:51.13 | wolfric | is there anyway to get the combined size of all files and subdirectories of a directory? |
| 03:51.15 | twb | Unless you're prepared to sit there and perform performance testing, you should just stick to the default filesystemthat d-i gives you (which will be ext3 or possibly ext4). |
| 03:51.21 | Vasistha | wolfric: try du |
| 03:51.45 | Vasistha | wolfric: I usually use du -c or du -sc * or some such |
| 03:52.12 | twb | du -mx | xdu |
| 03:52.25 | twb | Or baobab in gnome-utils, IIRC. konqueror has something similar. |
| 03:52.48 | Vasistha | konqueror has FSView which is in the konqueror-plugins package |
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| 03:53.03 | wolfric | installing xdu now |
| 03:53.21 | wolfric | wait is xdu a gui? |
| 03:53.35 | twb | Technically, yes |
| 03:53.45 | twb | Probably not what you think of as a GUI, though |
| 03:53.48 | wolfric | well can it run on a shell.. i get an error cannot open display |
| 03:54.26 | twb | If you don't have X and want to find out which dir is wasting your space, du -mx | sort -nr | head -$((LINES-1)) |
| 03:54.43 | twb | Note that it won't traverse filesystems, so you probably want to run it on e.g. / or /home |
| 03:54.55 | twb | At least, that's how I do it |
| 03:55.22 | wolfric | i'm assuming it'll take a while |
| 03:55.33 | twb | Depends how big your disk is. |
| 03:55.40 | wolfric | lol 8-10 gigs |
| 03:55.49 | wolfric | and about 3 gigs full if that |
| 03:55.51 | twb | Expect a few deciseconds, then. |
| 03:56.07 | wolfric | wow my computer must be shit |
| 03:56.18 | wolfric | granted i knew it was bad it's only got 500 megs of ram |
| 03:56.48 | wolfric | took about 30 seconds to run |
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| 03:58.44 | Vasistha | wolfric: 30 seconds is 3 deciseconds... well within expectation |
| 03:59.02 | wolfric | oh i didn't realise what deci meant |
| 03:59.03 | dkr | i/o is slow for everyone, :) |
| 03:59.21 | wolfric | i thought deci is 1/10 |
| 03:59.24 | Vasistha | ...or else I am confused. that might be worth looking up |
| 03:59.30 | dkr | it is 1/10 |
| 03:59.33 | wols | wolfric: it is |
| 03:59.48 | wols | Vasistha: 30 seconds, 3 deka seconds IIRC |
| 03:59.52 | dkr | deca is tens |
| 03:59.59 | wolfric | how is 30 seconds 3 deciseconds |
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| 04:00.11 | dkr | he just typo'd i instead of a, :) |
| 04:00.16 | wols | wolfric: decaseconds |
| 04:00.18 | Vasistha | at any rate, 30 seconds is about what I'd expect |
| 04:00.26 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deca- |
| 04:00.29 | wolfric | ok ok |
| 04:01.34 | wolfric | speaking of measurments... http://www.google.com/search?q=beard+second |
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| 04:02.23 | Vasistha | "billiardth" |
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| 04:02.54 | seatstaken | i am trying to configure a transparent bridge between 2 NICs on my computer so that i can secure my wireless access point |
| 04:03.02 | seatstaken | i can't see any traffic but arp and dhcp |
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| 04:04.30 | seatstaken | having trouble finding my next step... |
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| 04:05.27 | simonrvn | !lartc |
| 04:05.27 | dpkg | well, lartc is the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO. http://www.lartc.org/ #lartc on irc.oftc.net. See also <wondershaper>. |
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| 04:15.42 | Rezagrats | Is there an easy way to connect to wireless networks in lenny? |
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| 04:17.32 | ngomes | Rezagrats, install wicd |
| 04:18.03 | ngomes | what window manager are you in ? |
| 04:18.11 | Rezagrats | Gnome? |
| 04:18.37 | ngomes | i think that gnome got his own wifi manager |
| 04:18.57 | Rezagrats | Whatever it is, it's nt really working. |
| 04:18.59 | Rezagrats | Not* |
| 04:19.15 | ngomes | if your card detected ? |
| 04:19.21 | Rezagrats | Yeah |
| 04:19.51 | ngomes | dont u have the network icon somewhere ? doesnt manage wifi too ? |
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| 04:20.29 | Rezagrats | I do... but when i click it only gives a greyed out option for wired network. |
| 04:20.53 | Rezagrats | Do you know if the Eee PC version of Debian works better with wireless? |
| 04:21.18 | ngomes | dont know |
| 04:21.31 | ngomes | if your card is detected , its a manager question |
| 04:21.43 | ngomes | u could try to install wicd |
| 04:22.03 | Rezagrats | I have no connection on the little guy... i have the DVDs howvee.r |
| 04:22.07 | Rezagrats | However* |
| 04:22.29 | ngomes | not even wired ? |
| 04:22.56 | Rezagrats | Not at the moment. |
| 04:23.24 | Rezagrats | I can't get wired either because the router is in another room. |
| 04:23.58 | ngomes | then wire it and install wicd |
| 04:24.05 | Rezagrats | I can't get wired either because the router is in another room. |
| 04:24.06 | ngomes | then ull have wifi , hopefully |
| 04:24.17 | ngomes | then go there |
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| 04:24.22 | Rezagrats | Can't. |
| 04:24.38 | ngomes | lol , neighbours |
| 04:24.48 | Rezagrats | The eee pc doesn't have it's battery in and the thing looks like a borg being fixed right now. |
| 04:25.10 | ngomes | try this command from CLI |
| 04:25.28 | ngomes | first the name of your wifi interface |
| 04:25.31 | ngomes | ifconfig -a |
| 04:25.33 | ngomes | should tell |
| 04:25.45 | ngomes | then iwlist <interface> scan |
| 04:26.01 | ngomes | should bring you all availalbe wifi AP's |
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| 04:27.53 | seatstaken | what woudl cause just arp ssdp dhcp and llc protocols and nothing else on a transparent bridge |
| 04:28.06 | seatstaken | to transmit |
| 04:28.43 | Rezagrats | No scan results. |
| 04:28.55 | Rezagrats | I'd plug in my usb wireless adapter... |
| 04:29.08 | Rezagrats | But i don't know how that would work. :/ |
| 04:29.29 | Rezagrats | It would need drivers anyways. |
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| 04:29.57 | arand | I'm getting the same, reproducible, erroneous hash on downloading the 504 netinstall, also is "gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.sign" not the way to start checking those, I get "gpg: no signed data" and "gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error" |
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| 04:33.27 | arand | blargh, nevermind about the correct hash, seems like firefox messed with the downloads, wget works, still curious about the gpg command though.. |
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| 04:47.35 | MoMo | if i wanted to locate, how can i force the systemdb to update? |
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| 04:50.14 | adb | updatedb ? |
| 04:50.32 | MoMo | thats it -- thanks |
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| 04:50.54 | adb | yw |
| 04:52.08 | MoMo | what is the non-free deb sources.list entry? |
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| 05:08.20 | MoMo | what is the non-free deb sources.list entry? |
| 05:08.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:16.53 | SerajewelKS | MoMo: FYI, a google query for "debian non-free sources.list" returns a ton of relevant results... don't feel like you can't ask google |
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| 05:26.25 | Lazy^ | Hey, my sda and sdb keep swapping on reboot. What is the best solution to fix this ? |
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| 05:30.43 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: probably a udev rule |
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| 05:31.55 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: i don't know the exact syntax you'd have to use, but you can do it with udev |
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| 05:32.34 | rektide | i dist upgraded my system |
| 05:32.42 | rektide | and let it delete a bunch of user accounts |
| 05:32.46 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: alternatively, don't use sda/sdb at all, but instead use /dev/disk/by-... instead |
| 05:32.55 | rektide | no surprise, shit is all kinds of broken |
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| 05:33.03 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: yep, i know about this udev rule. But how to use it =) |
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| 05:33.15 | rektide | a) why did i let it delete anything b) why the hell did debian decide to delete 10 different daemon user accounts |
| 05:33.18 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: which solves exactly the problem you have -- you can reference a specific volume by its label, or its uuid, or whatever you like |
| 05:33.19 | Lazy^ | i don't mind to get my system to non booting phase again.... |
| 05:33.43 | SerajewelKS | rektide: what did you upgrade from, and to? |
| 05:34.17 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: unless you have a compelling reason why you need to reference volumes using /dev/sd.. you should use /dev/disk/by-... instead |
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| 05:34.35 | rektide | SerajewelKS: i've stayed on testing, but its been probably 10-14 months since i updated the system |
| 05:35.08 | SerajewelKS | rektide: then you probably updated from when lenny was testing to squeeze |
| 05:35.25 | SerajewelKS | rektide: which is unsupported... you should have upgraded to lenny, then to testing |
| 05:35.38 | SerajewelKS | rektide: did you put "testing" or "lenny" in your sources.list? |
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| 05:38.20 | Pnux | hey, stupid question.. how can i shutdown my pc after aptitude does a full upgrade? aptitude full-upgrade; shutdown -h now |
| 05:38.21 | Pnux | ? |
| 05:38.50 | capitan | that should work |
| 05:38.54 | SerajewelKS | Pnux: sure. after aptitude is done it will wait for you to hit enter. then it will shutdown. :) |
| 05:39.21 | capitan | SerajewelKS, ? why would it do that? |
| 05:39.22 | SerajewelKS | Pnux: err, that's right, that's only when using the curses gui. well, assuming that you enter Y to proceed, yes, that will work. |
| 05:39.28 | Pnux | thing is i will be sleep by then, i have 5 months of packages to cach up with, so its gonna take a while |
| 05:39.43 | Pnux | *catch |
| 05:39.53 | rektide | SerajewelKS: i dont think i missed lenny altogether |
| 05:40.30 | Pnux | capitan: so it wont need me to press enter, cool.. thanks |
| 05:41.19 | SerajewelKS | rektide: that's not what i mean. i am guessing you were using lenny, when lenny was testing |
| 05:41.44 | SerajewelKS | rektide: then you upgraded to squeeze, which is testing. without first upgrading to the latest stable lenny packages. |
| 05:42.02 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: so you think best ways is to write udev rules ? |
| 05:42.03 | rektide | SerajewelKS: i've never done that ever |
| 05:42.05 | SerajewelKS | rektide: not doing so can cause subtle breakage, and this is why you should never use "testing" in your source.list, but instead refer to a specific release. |
| 05:42.18 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: no, i told you twice what i think the best solution would be |
| 05:42.26 | capitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.42 | SerajewelKS | rektide: i'm not sure how else you could have missed 10-14 months of packages and upgrade to squeeze |
| 05:42.46 | Pnux | capitan: what do you mean with curses gui? |
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| 05:43.02 | SerajewelKS | Pnux: run aptitude with no arguments |
| 05:43.07 | capitan | is it a pretty full-screen text interface? |
| 05:43.21 | SerajewelKS | yes, and it's one of the most damn useful features aptitude has |
| 05:43.28 | capitan | hehe |
| 05:43.41 | SerajewelKS | you can queue up a bunch of crap... remove this, install that, and do it all in one shot |
| 05:43.44 | Pnux | capitan: you mean a tty? |
| 05:43.49 | capitan | SerajewelKS, i remember in the old days there was that one curses upgrader... and it drove me nuts! |
| 05:43.57 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: ahh yes, i missed your answer :) hmm Could you explain a bit more what you mean by /dev/disk/by- ? |
| 05:43.58 | capitan | it kept disagreeing with apt-get |
| 05:44.05 | SerajewelKS | plus filter/search on advanced criteria like "show me all the installed packages that were manually installed" |
| 05:44.06 | capitan | forgot what it was called |
| 05:44.13 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: look in /dev/disk |
| 05:44.42 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: you'll see what i mean. udev creates symlinks by such thinks as hardware identifier, pci path, and volume label, to the corresponding disk or volume device |
| 05:44.55 | capitan | Pnux, as long as you didn't change the default, it should be the plain-jane commandline interface, in which case it won't require the "enter" |
| 05:45.04 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: so if you assign all your volumes a label, you can just use /dev/disk/by-label/myvolume etc |
| 05:45.52 | Pnux | capitan: oh, then i guess im alrite.. didnt even know that aptitude had another interface |
| 05:45.55 | Pnux | thanks |
| 05:46.14 | SerajewelKS | Pnux: i didn't either until i ran aptitude with no arguments to see some basic usage information, like apt-get displays |
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| 05:46.50 | capitan | ack! scary! |
| 05:46.51 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: ahh yes, there are symlinks. so if i use /dev/disk/by-id/ i can work with the solution |
| 05:46.53 | Pnux | wow |
| 05:47.08 | capitan | bbiab |
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| 05:47.21 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: right. by-id depends on what the disk calls itself, so if you have two disks of the same model, it might be susceptible to the same problem |
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| 05:47.41 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: using volume labels is the best way to ensure that you get the right volume |
| 05:47.54 | Lazy^ | true |
| 05:47.56 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: because *you* decide what they are, and you can ensure that they are not ambiguous |
| 05:48.13 | Lazy^ | i dont have volume label option, should i create folder like that ? |
| 05:48.25 | Lazy^ | and use symlinks |
| 05:48.28 | SerajewelKS | rektide: although lenny was released about 14 months ago, so maybe it was stable by then |
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| 05:48.50 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: if you don't have a by-volume directory in /dev/disk it probably means none of your volumes actually have labels |
| 05:49.19 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: err, by-label |
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| 05:49.38 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: see "man e2label" |
| 05:50.14 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: i don't know if (1) you can run e2label on a mounted filesystem (i *think* you can, but i'm not sure) or (2) if udev will immediately pick up the label |
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| 05:51.03 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: lets see |
| 05:51.09 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: those are things you'll have to investigate on your own :) |
| 05:51.35 | Lazy^ | yep :) |
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| 05:51.48 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: i have to go to bed, got a work meeting in 8 hours |
| 05:52.07 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: good luck, i'd be interested to know what you find out :) |
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| 05:52.44 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: oh also, you might be able to get away with by-uuid |
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| 05:53.16 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: volume uuids are guaranteed to be unique and are generated when the volume is formatted. they are a bit ugly to use in e.g. fstab, but they will work. |
| 05:54.15 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: yes i've use uuid in my ubuntu desktop, but i dont like them :D |
| 05:54.31 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: the only problem i can think of is swap partitions, which cannot have a uuid, nor a label |
| 05:54.38 | Lazy^ | hehe, my files system is xfs and e2label works for ext2/ext3 |
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| 05:55.17 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: hmm, dunno if xfs supports labels... |
| 05:55.27 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: you might have to create a udev rule after all :/ |
| 05:56.11 | Lazy^ | either e2label or tune2fs isnt saying anything about xfs |
| 05:56.12 | Lazy^ | hehe |
| 05:56.13 | Lazy^ | fail |
| 05:56.49 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: right, because those are for ext filesystems |
| 05:56.53 | adb | swapon has label |
| 05:57.41 | SerajewelKS | adb: oh nifty, didn't know that |
| 05:57.50 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: you might also consider migrating to lvm |
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| 06:00.03 | wolfric | are you supposed to have a debian catagory in the menu in gnome? |
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| 06:01.15 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221 has a nice little walkthrough on creating a udev rule for a disk. it should work on debian. |
| 06:01.31 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: depending on the packages you have installed, yes |
| 06:01.49 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: you can right-click the applications menu and select the menu editor, then hide the debian menu if you don't like it |
| 06:02.07 | wolfric | no i want to show it lol |
| 06:02.10 | wolfric | i don't have one |
| 06:02.50 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: xfs_admin -L <label> /dev/sd* works |
| 06:03.06 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: oh, cool. do you get a by-label entry immediately? |
| 06:03.12 | wolfric | how do i show it? |
| 06:03.21 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: same process, only check the box instead of unchecking it |
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| 06:03.37 | Lazy^ | but tho, filesystem needs to be umounted... so basicly i need umount created label and mount it.. so it's live-cd thing.... |
| 06:03.40 | Lazy^ | sucks |
| 06:03.45 | wolfric | i don't see any checkbox in menu edit |
| 06:03.58 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: or you can reboot into single-user mode and remount it ro |
| 06:04.01 | wolfric | oh wait... right checkbox on the right |
| 06:04.15 | wolfric | heh... |
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| 06:04.22 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: still a PITA but at least you don't need a CD |
| 06:04.30 | ubsafder | hello |
| 06:05.36 | SerajewelKS | goodbye... goodbye-eeyiee-eyieee... leggie blond... |
| 06:05.36 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: externalbox, i need to go to there to do it.. sucks... :/ |
| 06:05.37 | ubsafder | how can i boot with a console only a debian ? any option to grub ? |
| 06:05.52 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: edit the kernel line and add the "single" argument, then boot |
| 06:06.05 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: oh, you don't have physical access at the moment? |
| 06:06.12 | Lazy^ | SerajewelKS: noup, |
| 06:06.45 | Lazy^ | i had to get there yesterday to boot it manually since it swapped disk on reboot. And i didnt have time to be there to look into this problem.... |
| 06:06.59 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: sucks. now you have an action plan at least. :) |
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| 06:07.05 | Lazy^ | that's why i'm looking solution to do it remotely... |
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| 06:07.16 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: note that this is not the same thing as "don't start X" |
| 06:07.16 | Lazy^ | hehe true... |
| 06:07.32 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: single-user mode means that pretty much no services will be brought up. you'll be prompted to log in as root. |
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| 06:08.03 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: this mode is used for emergency maintenance usually. if your goal is to reboot without X... you could just let it boot, then ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a console. |
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| 06:09.37 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: an interim solution could be to use uuids |
| 06:09.57 | SerajewelKS | Lazy^: then when you can get physical access to the box you can set up proper labels |
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| 06:10.34 | ubsafder | now how to upgrade and exclude all kernel packages ? |
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| 06:10.54 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: upgrade packages? |
| 06:11.07 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: why do you need to be in single-user mode to do this? |
| 06:11.44 | ubsafder | synaptic crashes |
| 06:11.51 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: so don't use synaptic |
| 06:11.57 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: open a terminal and use aptitude |
| 06:13.32 | ubsafder | the terminal crashes too only this single mode works |
| 06:13.49 | adb | ubsafder, what's your release ? |
| 06:14.01 | ubsafder | squeeze |
| 06:14.17 | ubsafder | on AMD64 |
| 06:14.36 | SerajewelKS | ubsafder: then something on your box is horribly broken |
| 06:14.53 | ubsafder | i know :- |
| 06:15.04 | adb | reinstall |
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| 06:23.56 | ubsafder | i would rather use apt-get if i can exclude the kernel . is that possible ? |
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| 06:28.11 | madmuppet006 | fluxbox any* |
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| 06:44.17 | ubsafder | can i use cron to reboot automatically ? |
| 06:44.43 | ubsafder | or there are permission issues ? |
| 06:45.43 | sauvin | I'll bet root can; it'd be more problematic with normal users. |
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| 06:46.24 | ubsafder | now cron runs as root so it can reboot ? |
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| 06:47.27 | sauvin | I can't swear, but I think the cron jobs somewhere in /etc are normally run as root. |
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| 06:50.01 | d3x | ubsafder, just out of curosity: why would you want to do this? |
| 06:50.12 | H2S04 | ferret, whiskey or no whiskey |
| 06:51.03 | ubsafder | can answer it is a required for this user |
| 06:52.08 | ubsafder | sorry can't answer but rebooting like reinstalling are daily life of a computer after all |
| 06:52.44 | ubsafder | i don't judge i just do wath i am asked to afterall |
| 06:52.56 | sauvin | My laptops reboot once a day, sometimes more, because I never leave them on. I used to have a "real" computer, though, that I'd reboot once every other month or so, Windows *or* Linux. |
| 06:52.58 | d3x | me just, was just curious (as stated above) |
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| 06:53.26 | d3x | s/me just/me too/ |
| 06:53.53 | d3x | although i tend to not reboot, because i see no reason for it :) |
| 06:54.11 | Arrowmaster | i know somebody thats got a server setup to reboot every night using cron i think, although ive yelled at him that it was a stupid solution to the problem that was happening |
| 06:54.25 | sauvin | What WAS the problem? |
| 06:55.00 | ubsafder | i reinstall every months some systems |
| 06:55.01 | Arrowmaster | svnserv being complete crap and eating all the ram and killing the system after a while |
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| 06:55.36 | sauvin | Feh, just cron a kill and relaunch. |
| 06:55.51 | d3x | i guess an upgrade of svnserv would help :) |
| 06:55.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
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| 06:56.36 | ubsafder | but i this case the machine has to be rebooted every hour |
| 06:56.45 | d3x | every _hour_?! |
| 06:56.51 | ubsafder | yes |
| 06:57.07 | peterrooney | ubsafder: if you have to reinstall every month, you're running windows or sid. using sid for production servers is like running into a pride of lions. |
| 06:57.09 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: right the right answer is if ps -ef|grep svnsrv|awk "return $3>$systemmemory"; reboot |
| 06:57.12 | d3x | well.. it's better than cronning it for @reboot :) |
| 06:57.45 | ubsafder | yeah looks like windows but it is now call squeeze |
| 06:58.02 | d3x | ubsafder, lol, that was a good one ;) |
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| 06:58.30 | d3x | running a something between squeeze and sid for over a year now |
| 06:58.56 | EmleyMoor | d3x: squid? <g> |
| 06:59.23 | d3x | $ /bin/ps|grep squid|wc -l |
| 06:59.24 | d3x | 0 |
| 06:59.26 | d3x | :) |
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| 07:01.09 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: sneeze |
| 07:01.27 | d3x | unsqueble |
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| 07:03.19 | EmleyMoor | sneezes |
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| 07:04.14 | jelly-home | bless ya |
| 07:04.22 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 07:04.22 | dpkg | <ml|> next time read what aptitude tells you, so this doesn't happen to you again, pretty sure aptitude must have given you some warning <groulder> ml|, it did give me a warning but i didn't believe it now i do. |
| 07:04.39 | Henrik`G | dosent make anysense that php5 ins dependent on apache |
| 07:04.59 | Henrik`G | so i have to have completly lame httpd server installed to have php >/ |
| 07:05.59 | jelly-home | Henrik`G: or you have to satisfy the dependencies of package "php5" some other way. Or not install that package at all, but only use the package for your preferred php5 API. |
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| 07:06.21 | Henrik`G | yeah but when i try to install php5-common i get apache |
| 07:06.21 | jelly-home | Henrik`G: take a look at the Depends: control header for php5. |
| 07:06.30 | Henrik`G | control header ? |
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| 07:07.14 | jelly-home | Henrik`G: dpkg -s packagename shows it |
| 07:07.34 | jelly-home | or apt-cache show packagename, if it's not installed yet |
| 07:07.46 | Henrik`G | Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.2-1) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.2-1) | php5-cgi (>= 5.3.2-1), php5-common (>= 5.3.2-1) |
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| 07:08.05 | Henrik`G | the first two is wierd because u dont need apache to run php |
| 07:08.26 | jelly-home | Henrik`G: so, you may install php5-cgi instead. those a | b | c lines mean "either of the depended packages" |
| 07:08.43 | Henrik`G | ohh |
| 07:08.49 | jelly-home | unless you instruct aptitude/apt, it will use the first listed |
| 07:09.06 | seatstaken | ugh why doesn't my bridge work :( |
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| 07:09.47 | Henrik`G | so a metapackage is just like a collection |
| 07:09.59 | rgr | wow. I just discovered the etckeeper package. Awesome. Was hacking together my own git solution for /etc. brilliant. |
| 07:10.03 | jelly-home | Henrik`G: pretty much, yes |
| 07:10.14 | Henrik`G | sweet thanks :D |
| 07:11.10 | jelly-home | one can install a package and remove another one in the same command using a syntax like aptitude install php5-cgi libapache2-mod-php5- (that - means removal) |
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| 07:33.56 | wolfric | how is it possible to have a listening port with no PID listed as the process |
| 07:34.09 | wolfric | and it's being run as super root |
| 07:34.16 | wolfric | (netstat that is) |
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| 07:37.45 | d3x | wolfric, maybe it's the kernel itself listening? :) |
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| 07:38.15 | sepult | is there a proper tool for text extracting from .chm files ? cause copy-paste copies also formatting chars etc.... |
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| 07:41.24 | Blackhold | hi, I have a problem with a tar file, it appears me the error "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors", but this error only appears sometimes, without periodicity. I spect that could be caused to tar trying to compress a locked file or something like this. I refuse reading problems, 'cause each day copies the same dir and only aprox once a month gives problems. |
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| 07:42.37 | wolfric | d3x: found the problem... for some reason it was nfs |
| 07:42.45 | nsadmin | Blackhold: what are the previous errors? |
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| 07:43.41 | nsadmin | no periodicity could suggest different problems each time... you've said nothing so far about what you were doing and you don't include an exact command line... kinda hard to speculate under those conditions |
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| 07:44.07 | Blackhold | nsadmin: so that I'm here, to someone knows what could happen |
| 07:44.44 | nsadmin | not going to speculate on what could happen. what was the exact command line? |
| 07:44.45 | d3x | sepult, i think okular should let you copy unformatted text (or even export to .txt) |
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| 07:45.22 | Blackhold | tar cvzf name.tar.gz dir |
| 07:45.31 | nsadmin | what dir? |
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| 07:46.09 | Blackhold | tar -zcvf $FIT1 `cat $TMP1` |
| 07:46.29 | Blackhold | having FIT1 to FIT1=$DOUT/$label-tarARC_zcvf.bck |
| 07:46.47 | nsadmin | oh and if you said v, then you could capture the output which could contain relevent info |
| 07:46.52 | Blackhold | and TMP1 to TMP1=$DTMP/ls-archivedir.txt |
| 07:46.58 | Blackhold | but some days it works |
| 07:47.05 | Blackhold | and only once a month not |
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| 07:47.17 | Blackhold | all days work, unless once a month |
| 07:47.21 | nsadmin | so there is a periodicity |
| 07:47.27 | Blackhold | but not the same date and not the same time |
| 07:47.31 | Blackhold | no, there's not |
| 07:47.34 | Blackhold | that's the problem |
| 07:47.51 | Blackhold | I spect is a problem compressing a locked file |
| 07:48.09 | Blackhold | these files are a backup of a postgress db |
| 07:48.27 | nsadmin | tar doesn't compress files, it uses other compressors to compress its own stream |
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| 07:49.05 | Blackhold | nsadmin: could you explain me better? |
| 07:49.08 | nsadmin | aha, you could also use pg_dump |
| 07:49.10 | Blackhold | for example |
| 07:49.15 | Blackhold | to do a cvzf |
| 07:49.22 | Blackhold | you use gzip? |
| 07:49.25 | Blackhold | is it? |
| 07:49.40 | Blackhold | nsadmin: yes, we do |
| 07:49.46 | valdyn | Blackhold: files cant be locked for reading in linux |
| 07:49.56 | Blackhold | but the files that are copied are the pgdata |
| 07:50.03 | Blackhold | in this server it lives a moodle |
| 07:50.29 | Blackhold | valdyn: so then, when could be the reason a tar could not read a file? |
| 07:50.37 | valdyn | Blackhold: permissions |
| 07:50.44 | nsadmin | tar cfz foo.tar.gz /foo is the same as tar cf foo.tar /foo && gzip foo.tar |
| 07:50.59 | Blackhold | valdyn: I have checked for permissions but it aren't |
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| 07:51.17 | valdyn | Blackhold: do you get an error message? |
| 07:51.23 | Blackhold | yes |
| 07:51.31 | Blackhold | but it is really poor |
| 07:51.46 | Blackhold | but the tar created correctly |
| 07:51.51 | nsadmin | do you look at the tar v output to see if it says anything interesting? |
| 07:52.40 | valdyn | Blackhold: the error message you pasted is not the first error |
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| 07:53.32 | valdyn | Blackhold: using tar to back up a db that is in use is a bad idea for seperate reasons |
| 07:53.56 | nsadmin | right, you'll want to shut postgres down |
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| 07:54.18 | valdyn | Blackhold: but your "error" is unrelated to that aspect |
| 07:54.49 | Blackhold | there's no more error than that |
| 07:55.00 | Blackhold | sorry for the delay I was checking again |
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| 07:55.23 | Blackhold | /cvubpg/pgdata/tablespaces/tbs_cv/16392/1255 |
| 07:55.31 | suji11 | hi |
| 07:55.32 | Blackhold | this is one of the dirs copied |
| 07:55.34 | suji11 | my package iok was accepted in ubuntu, it is now available in packages.ubuntu.com, how to i bring that package to debian repository? |
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| 07:56.02 | nsadmin | via a debian maint |
| 07:56.02 | valdyn | Blackhold: use the dump tool of your database, using tar for a db that is running is unsafe, you may not be able to restore from that |
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| 07:56.46 | nsadmin | suji11: does the package build under debian? |
| 07:57.22 | suji11 | nsadmin: no, it was built under ubuntu. |
| 07:57.31 | nsadmin | it might be safe if you shut postgres backend down while you backup |
| 07:57.33 | Zambezi | How can I install Debian Lenny on a SATA-harddrive? BIOS detect drive, Debian doesn't. |
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| 07:57.50 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 07:57.50 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 07:57.52 | Blackhold | valdyn: it is already done |
| 07:57.55 | valdyn | Zambezi: ^^^ |
| 07:57.58 | Blackhold | but also are copied the files |
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| 07:58.04 | nsadmin | suji11 have you tried? |
| 07:58.09 | valdyn | Blackhold: that doesnt make it restorable safely |
| 07:58.39 | valdyn | Blackhold: it could be an already broken backup or one that is not restorable after a minor point release of the db |
| 07:58.46 | suji11 | nsadmin: no. is any guide for that? |
| 07:58.59 | Blackhold | but I think all these files copied, are not only all from database |
| 07:59.00 | nsadmin | man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:00.24 | nsadmin | Blackhold: even if you are able to restore from the tarballs, if you did not shut postgres down while they were made, it's very likely to be corrupted |
| 08:00.29 | Zambezi | valdyn: Lovely. Thanks! |
| 08:00.39 | Blackhold | nsadmin: ok |
| 08:00.54 | Blackhold | I will told |
| 08:01.11 | suji11 | nsadmin: should i package it again under debian, then only i can upload to debian repository? |
| 08:01.14 | Blackhold | but I would like to know if tar was able to copy locked files |
| 08:01.46 | valdyn | Blackhold: i already told you that files cannot be locked for reading in linux |
| 08:02.02 | valdyn | Blackhold: thats a very basic fact |
| 08:02.14 | valdyn | Blackhold: in windows files can be locked for reading, not in linux, not in any unix |
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| 08:02.24 | nsadmin | suji11: first find out if it builds. test to see if it builds. try building it to see if that's successful. if you try a build and it succeeds, this would be a successful result. |
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| 08:02.35 | nsadmin | any more permutations of this? :) |
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| 08:03.24 | nsadmin | you will not be able to upload the package yourself without becoming a debian maintainer |
| 08:03.35 | nsadmin | you can try to get a sponsor. |
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| 08:04.35 | nsadmin | but so far you've said you have never tested to see if the package builds successfully, and once installed, can it be (1) run, (2) removed, and (3) removed successfully |
| 08:05.21 | nsadmin | and until those tests are made, the package will have a very tough time getting in |
| 08:05.37 | Blackhold | valdyn: ok |
| 08:05.42 | Blackhold | I take note |
| 08:06.59 | Blackhold | thanks you much |
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| 08:07.05 | suji11 | nsadmin: ok, but i had upload the package to ubuntu through revu.ubuntuwire.com from there i got two sponser then only it was accepted. i asked something like that for debian? |
| 08:07.30 | daya | where is smb passwd file located, I am not able to find it in Lenny |
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| 08:07.45 | valdyn | daya: theres none if you didnt make one |
| 08:08.17 | daya | valdyn, then what is the default one |
| 08:09.04 | valdyn | daya: there is none. |
| 08:09.12 | nsadmin | suji11: if you don't find out here, another source of info is debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 08:09.14 | daya | valdyn, I edit smb.conf file, as smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd though its not working |
| 08:09.49 | daya | valdyn, any way to get the smb users list |
| 08:09.54 | suji11 | nsadmin: ok fine. |
| 08:10.09 | nsadmin | and another, is |
| 08:10.18 | nsadmin | www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 08:11.03 | valdyn | daya: "man 5 smbpasswd" |
| 08:11.17 | nsadmin | and one immediate source is in the scrollback |
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| 08:12.39 | nsadmin | suji11 in most of these cases, they're going to ask you the same thing as I did: DOES THE PACKAGE BUILD UNDER DEBIAN? |
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| 08:13.36 | suji11 | nsadmin: oh! ok, first i will build under debian, then i will ask the doubts... |
| 08:13.38 | daya | valdyn, seems not any useful resources I am searching |
| 08:14.00 | valdyn | daya: the answer to your previous question is right there |
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| 08:15.48 | nsadmin | suji11: finally you're listening... once you get results you can go from there. a sponsor (which one: would love to | won't ever | is most of the time too busy to) run those tests of the package build for you |
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| 08:15.58 | daya | valdyn, :D |
| 08:16.11 | ethanol | I'd like to file a horrible bug in debian :< |
| 08:16.24 | ethanol | rp_filter defaults to off. epic fail. |
| 08:16.39 | nsadmin | what's rp? |
| 08:16.43 | ethanol | reverse path |
| 08:17.09 | nsadmin | what's that part of? |
| 08:17.10 | daya | valdyn, Basically I am searching for how to change samba password remotely , SWAT donot let me to do it |
| 08:17.11 | rvsjoen | and that is a fail because ? |
| 08:17.29 | valdyn | daya: you cannot change the password remotely |
| 08:17.31 | ethanol | rvsjoen: pretty much all decent distro's default to on. it's more secure. |
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| 08:17.51 | ethanol | I thought debian was all for being stable and secure :< |
| 08:18.01 | valdyn | daya: ( why dont you ask your real question *first* ) |
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| 08:19.09 | valdyn | daya: oh, im wrong, you can use smbpasswd -r |
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| 08:19.41 | daya-l | valdyn, http://changepassword.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:20.10 | nsadmin | ethanol: anyway, if you want to file a bug, try bugs.debian.org or run reportbug |
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| 08:20.25 | seatstaken | lol |
| 08:20.43 | seatstaken | i can't make my bridge work |
| 08:21.14 | nsadmin | I thought dentists make bridge work |
| 08:21.17 | ethanol | seatstaken: as long as you can cross the river, it's fine |
| 08:21.19 | rvsjoen | I think it makes sense to have it off by default |
| 08:21.23 | seatstaken | lol |
| 08:21.35 | seatstaken | nae the packets! |
| 08:21.36 | ethanol | rvsjoen: why, you expect a lot of people to have multiple ip addresses? |
| 08:21.44 | valdyn | daya-l: thats a web interface, so? |
| 08:22.25 | rvsjoen | not really, but many do, and some also have asymmetric routing, and it is more of a 'make it work everywhere' setting |
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| 08:22.34 | nsadmin | well I run xen, and it uses bridgeutils package to make a bridge |
| 08:22.38 | ethanol | rvsjoen: I only found this comment regarding it on debian-administration.org "rp_filter can reject incoming packets if their source does not match the networks interface from which they are arriving from. This is a good way to prevent IP spoofing (usually not a good idea if you have several IP addresses on different interfaces or if a single interface has multiple IP addys)." |
| 08:22.40 | rvsjoen | then harden it as you see fit |
| 08:23.20 | ethanol | not sure why having several interfaces would affect it though. |
| 08:23.44 | daya | valdyn, did u go thru http://changepassword.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:23.52 | valdyn | daya: why would I go thru it? |
| 08:23.55 | ethanol | all of our machines have one interface for wan, one for lan (excluding the ones that only have a lan connection) |
| 08:24.09 | valdyn | daya: its a simple web frontend to smbpasswd. |
| 08:24.37 | daya | valdyn, but its thru the web and from the network so that I can change the passwd remotely via web |
| 08:24.56 | valdyn | daya: so go ahead do it. |
| 08:25.10 | nsadmin | ethanol: so rp_filter could work for you |
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| 08:26.10 | nsadmin | not sure it would work for every single linux user in the world... |
| 08:26.37 | daya | valdyn, But I stuck in smbpasswd file, it can't find it. |
| 08:26.50 | valdyn | daya: it doesnt exist unless you create it |
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| 08:27.40 | daya | valdyn, I have created it touch /etc/samba/smbpasswd and then edit smb.conf smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
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| 08:27.50 | daya | valdyn, But not working |
| 08:28.23 | nsadmin | you didn't do anything besides touch it? |
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| 08:29.35 | valdyn | daya: take a locally existing unix user, run for that user: "smbpasswd -a user" |
| 08:30.15 | daya | valdyn, yes I did it |
| 08:32.07 | daya | valdyn, not any effect in /etc/samba/smbpasswd file |
| 08:32.31 | valdyn | daya: yea, samba changed, i havent used it since then, this is stored in /var/lib/samba/, not in plain text |
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| 08:32.57 | valdyn | daya: your web interfaces is probably not aware of that and not made for that |
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| 08:33.27 | valdyn | daya: ..but your web interface shouldnt be accessing the file directly but it should use smbpasswd, the command, so that web interface is probably borken anyway |
| 08:33.28 | daya | valdyn, may be that |
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| 08:37.01 | valdyn | daya: this should be configurable back to smbpasswd file i suppose, or read "man pdbedit" |
| 08:37.54 | daya | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 08:37.54 | valdyn | daya: like: "sudo pdbedit -L -v" |
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| 08:40.29 | E-bola | Isnt there a list where installs/upgrade are logged when using aptitude? |
| 08:40.37 | E-bola | so i can see whats been upgraded? |
| 08:41.05 | rvsjoen | I would think /var/log/aptitude would be a place to start |
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| 08:41.31 | xz | hi |
| 08:41.32 | E-bola | thanks |
| 08:41.44 | xz | Huh, i'm so bored. |
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| 08:42.06 | rvsjoen | ethanol: you also have dpkg.log |
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| 08:44.23 | xz | :) |
| 08:44.26 | ethanol | I do? |
| 08:44.29 | E-bola | :P |
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| 08:45.47 | rvsjoen | bah, need more coffee, that was for e-bola |
| 08:46.06 | rvsjoen | but yes, you probably do |
| 08:46.11 | rvsjoen | pretty cool, eh |
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| 08:46.54 | Zambezi | valdyn: The image with kernel 2.6.30 freeze just before installation started. Scary, I had to use the image with 2.6.32, but that seems smooth. :-) |
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| 08:52.52 | xz | Is there any wow linux player? |
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| 08:54.45 | Kohvihoor | yes, xz |
| 08:55.31 | xz | I want to start but I don't know is it working |
| 08:55.42 | madmuppet006 | I have just installed lenny amd64 but when I try and use my mandelbrot set program I only get purple and black no colors .. I have xserver-xorg xorg and fluxbox .. any help appreciated |
| 08:55.56 | xz | Kohvihoor: global wow? |
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| 08:57.05 | kryl | cat ttt|dpkg --set-selections seems to doesn't run if I do an apt-get dselect-install just after on lenny distribution is there something I miss ? |
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| 09:00.59 | abdu247 | hi |
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| 09:01.33 | sunson | I have a bunch of packages that provide some metadata and configs. There is also a tool (part of another pkg) that can process these files. What is the way to make the metadata packages run the tool upon install? Do I merely make a call to the tool from the postinst script (and depend on the pkg that provides the tool?)? Any other more elegant or The-Debian-Way of doing the same? |
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| 09:11.58 | kryl | please how to select all packages from an installation to an other one please ? aptitude ? |
| 09:12.26 | JyZyXEL | !reinstall |
| 09:12.26 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 09:12.33 | babilen | !aptitude clone |
| 09:12.33 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 09:16.56 | E-bola | Anybody know how i can get any updates on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557888 ? |
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| 09:24.13 | babilen | E-bola: What do you mean exactly? |
| 09:24.32 | E-bola | babilen: im not sure :) Im having the same problem and im trying to fix it |
| 09:24.37 | E-bola | going to mail the maintainers now |
| 09:24.51 | babilen | E-bola: No, please reply to to the bug |
| 09:25.07 | E-bola | ok, but i wasnt sure how to, im just viewing it via the web interface |
| 09:25.19 | babilen | E-bola: You can use reportbug to do so. Your message will be seen by the maintainer |
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| 09:25.28 | babilen | ,info reportbug |
| 09:25.31 | judd | reportbug (utils, standard): reports bugs in the Debian distribution. Version: 3.48; Size: 155.0k; Installed: 456k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/reportbug/ |
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| 09:26.34 | babilen | !reportbug |
| 09:26.35 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 09:27.20 | babilen | E-bola: There is also reportbug-ng, which you might be interested in |
| 09:27.32 | E-bola | im trying the text mode one for now |
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| 09:27.41 | E-bola | but couldnt i also just write a mail to 557888@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 09:27.54 | babilen | E-bola: Sure |
| 09:28.04 | E-bola | does reportbug include extra info or something? |
| 09:28.12 | E-bola | since im not 100% sure mail works from this system |
| 09:28.21 | kryl | woops is there a command to roll back from dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 09:28.26 | kryl | I want to put an other selections |
| 09:28.27 | kryl | :) |
| 09:28.30 | babilen | E-bola: The BTS is mail based. But reportbug will help to include additional information about your system in the mail, that might be interesting for the DD |
| 09:28.38 | E-bola | ok |
| 09:28.43 | E-bola | ile go for the reportbug option |
| 09:28.50 | babilen | good idea |
| 09:28.50 | E-bola | any way to check if the mail is received? |
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| 09:29.03 | babilen | kryl: Just set the other selection |
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| 09:30.57 | kryl | I tryed without success |
| 09:31.25 | E-bola | ahh i get a copy cool |
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| 09:31.48 | E-bola | babilen: any idea how feaseable it is to install an ubuntu package on debian sqeeze? |
| 09:31.56 | E-bola | I'd prefer another .deb over compiling asterisk my self |
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| 09:32.28 | simonrvn | sends a spell checker to half the channel |
| 09:32.54 | kryl | and how to avoid a "--clear-selections" option ? |
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| 09:37.08 | babilen | E-bola: That is a bad idea. Which package are we speaking about? |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | E-bola: I've just read the backlog :) |
| 09:39.04 | E-bola | Asterisk, a core element isnt working in the newest package in sqeeze as the bug report says |
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| 09:39.18 | babilen | E-bola: I have not looked into the bug report in detail, but why do you want to install the Ubuntu package? Or why do you think that compiling it yourself will fix the problem? |
| 09:39.59 | E-bola | babilen: because a friend using ubuntu and an ubuntu asterisk package doesnt have the problem |
| 09:40.09 | E-bola | also as far as i can reckon the problem is debian specific |
| 09:40.18 | E-bola | So either alternative shuld solve the problem |
| 09:40.33 | kryl | babilen, do you know how to avoid a "--clear-selections" option to dpkg? |
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| 09:40.59 | babilen | E-bola: The mail from Cyrille seems to suggest that ubuntu packages exhibit that bug as well |
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| 09:41.31 | eshat | I didn't get any Update on sid/unstable for days ? What is the reason ??? |
| 09:41.44 | E-bola | maybe he tried the same version, my friend was using a 1.6.1 version unlike this 1.6.2 version |
| 09:42.00 | babilen | ,versions asterisk |
| 09:42.02 | judd | asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; sid: 1:1.6.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.2-1 |
| 09:42.51 | babilen | E-bola: Why are you not running testing on a production system anyway? |
| 09:43.07 | E-bola | you mean why i AM running testing? |
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| 09:43.17 | babilen | well, yes |
| 09:43.30 | babilen | I should get a coffee ;) |
| 09:43.32 | E-bola | Because i needed functionality only present in asterisk 1.6.x whichnt isnt in lenny |
| 09:43.41 | E-bola | and i prefered testing over messing with tarballs |
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| 09:44.28 | E-bola | I've used testing in production before without problems, and i thought squeeze was nearing completion |
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| 09:45.10 | IdeMaddy | hi |
| 09:45.17 | jelly | E-bola: for future reference, the preferred (and long-term, easier) way of using a production system with one newer package is to backport that one package |
| 09:45.35 | eshat | What happend to unstable, there are no updates for days ??? |
| 09:45.37 | E-bola | jelly: ohh i know, but i couldnt find any backports, and ive never tried to do it myself before |
| 09:45.43 | babilen | !tell eshat -about ries |
| 09:45.52 | jelly | E-bola: /msg dpkg ssb (often works) |
| 09:45.53 | E-bola | and i wouldnt think asterisk was a particular easy one to backport with all its dependencies |
| 09:45.58 | babilen | E-bola: It is pretty easy to backport a single package. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:46.02 | IdeMaddy | anyone have installed a multitech USB modem on Debian? |
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| 09:46.25 | babilen | E-bola: You might run into problems with its dependencies as you suspected though |
| 09:46.32 | E-bola | I guess ile put more effort into noy having to run testing next time |
| 09:46.58 | E-bola | Hmm my mail bounced cuz exim wasnt configured to send mail to the world |
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| 09:47.10 | E-bola | anybody has a queick fix where i can get the file put in the outgoing queue again hehe |
| 09:47.18 | E-bola | or do i have to run reportbug again and enter everything again |
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| 09:48.00 | babilen | E-bola: You could try to downgrade asterisk to a version that does not exhibit this bug. Check /var/cache/apt/archives/ or /msg dpkg snapshots |
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| 09:48.31 | E-bola | babilen: i guess thats the easiest to try ya |
| 09:48.44 | E-bola | shame the report doesnt have any info on when the bug apeared |
| 09:49.00 | E-bola | Guess ppl who use iax most of the time compile them selfs |
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| 09:51.03 | jelly | E-bola: I _think_ reportbug leaves a copy of the mail in a temp file...? |
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| 09:52.08 | E-bola | jelly: i typed it up again, its just a comment since the original bug report was sport on |
| 09:52.11 | E-bola | -r |
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| 09:59.39 | E-bola | Shouldnt my comment on the bug show up on http://bugs.debian.org more or less instantly? |
| 09:59.54 | E-bola | I already received my copy in my own inbox |
| 10:00.37 | babilen | E-bola: The bug reports are scanned for spam and have to get processed. Be patient :) |
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| 10:01.21 | E-bola | So does my inbox :) but im just a tad insecure about how well the system handles sending out mail, as its never done that before. But it only triggered 1 negative rule in my own spamassassin so it shouldnt get blocked |
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| 10:10.27 | Am1ne | hello |
| 10:11.51 | krion | anybody free to help for a conntrack who doesn't flush |
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| 10:12.07 | krion | it's a bit too tricky for me as it's behind heartbeat and lvs |
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| 10:13.54 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone knows if it's possible to cap rsync disk activity so it doesn't hang the whole server? |
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| 10:16.06 | Zambezi | This is kind of annoying. The driver depends on an older kernel: http://pastebin.com/iDJfx8Ni |
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| 10:16.53 | catfashions | anyone help with python problems on a stable>testing upgrade? things work as root but not as users |
| 10:17.00 | Am1ne | so I have tried to add this entry in my sudoers config file : www-data ALL=(amine) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/scp, /usr/bin/ssh.. but it still deson't work.. it prompt me again to the password.. and ask me to enter www-data password.. the error : [sudo] password for www-data: |
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| 10:17.35 | krion | if anyone understand conntrack http://pastebin.com/63YYUySx |
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| 10:17.38 | Mowee | Salut ^^ |
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| 10:18.43 | Am1ne | to summarize my issue : I want to execute an ssh command from my web interface, I mean the user www-data |
| 10:18.49 | Am1ne | using* |
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| 10:22.55 | E-bola | Ahh there we go my report made it |
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| 10:23.16 | E-bola | _Brandon_: u could try to renice the process |
| 10:23.29 | _Brandon_ | E-bola: thanks |
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| 10:30.57 | fonseg | when i try to mount a volume of hard disk, it say that "You are not privileged to mount the volume ..." and then "Directory doesn't exist!". how to resolve this problem? |
| 10:31.02 | kryl | I just did a dpkg --clear-selection and I want to roll back can you help me please? |
| 10:31.47 | fonseg | i did the mounting in pcmanfm on lenny/openbox |
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| 10:43.14 | tpocra | Is it just me, or have there been no changes to sid in the last few days? |
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| 10:44.59 | adb | !tell tpocra -about ries |
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| 10:53.33 | tpocra | adb: Thank you, will dda tell me when it is working againe? |
| 10:54.47 | adb | when is done ;) , i dunno |
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| 11:24.03 | cantido | Is there a way of tell dpkg not to start/restart daemons during package install/upgrade? |
| 11:24.24 | Stereo | cantido: why would you want to do that? |
| 11:24.35 | iceroot | cantido: no because that is part of the post/pre-scripts |
| 11:25.07 | iceroot | cantido: of course you want to restart the daemon and upgrade/installation because if no restart, the patches wont work |
| 11:25.12 | valdyn | cantido: theres no clean way |
| 11:25.36 | wols | hmm.. when I restart sshd, will my current ssh session die? |
| 11:25.42 | valdyn | wols: no |
| 11:25.57 | wols | thought so. so no worries when the service is restarted |
| 11:26.16 | wols | damn. "service" :( |
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| 11:27.15 | valdyn | cantido: there's more or less custom scripts doing this for each package, so there cant be a central clean way to do this |
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| 11:28.13 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 11:28.13 | dpkg | it has been said that policy-rc.d is a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
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| 11:30.22 | cantido | Stereo: because I have to install some packages in a chroot before I bring it up as a LXC container.. but I dont want that shit starting up on the base environment |
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| 11:32.53 | themill | cantido: you can create a policy-rc.d to prevent that. for example, a pbuilder chroot has one that prevents all starts/stops. |
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| 11:35.09 | lindi- | themill: hmm, are you sure it really prevents all starts/stops? things like /var/lib/dpkg/info/dictd.postinst: /etc/init.d/dictd start || exit $? still start services |
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| 11:35.50 | themill | lindi-: can you pastebin the entire postinst file? |
| 11:36.18 | lindi- | ah true it checks for invoke-rc.d first |
| 11:36.24 | lindi- | must have been some buggy package that didn't |
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| 11:37.51 | rgr | squeeze updates are very thin on the ground. Have they frozen? |
| 11:38.01 | themill | subscribes rgr to d-d-a |
| 11:38.17 | rgr | d-d-a? |
| 11:38.29 | themill | dpkg: tell rgr about d-d-a |
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| 11:38.46 | themill | lindi-: It's a policy requirement (รยง9.3.3) that invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are used so that multiple init systems can be supported and to allow the admin to interfere with the process in exactly this way. |
| 11:39.16 | lindi- | themill: yep, i am using policy-rc.d -- i just recall that in some cases i had to still manually kill services |
| 11:39.27 | themill | lindi-: in fact, not doing so is an RC bug (รยง9.3.3.2) and I'm pretty sure most/all packages are sorted now. |
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| 11:43.22 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> no updates? /msg dpkg ries | lenny (5.0.4) /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
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| 11:43.49 | themill | (topic diff: "no updates? /msg dpkg ries") |
| 11:44.35 | chessboxing | hi, I'm follwing this http://chogie.info/?p=3 to install rtorrent. But stuck at restarting apache2. |
| 11:45.01 | matthiasb | I've got a problem with my disk performance. It's down to about 2-3 MB/sec. After a bit of googling i blame the missing use of DMA. (hdparm -d /dev/hda says it's off) |
| 11:45.25 | matthiasb | I checked the hdd capabilities with hdparm -i but i still can't enable it. |
| 11:45.42 | matthiasb | Error message is: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 11:46.09 | matthiasb | Somehow i have the feeling that my kernel isn't supporting my intel chipset. |
| 11:46.16 | matthiasb | Is there a way to fix this? |
| 11:46.43 | jelly | matthiasb: use a kernel that supports your chipset (a newer one) |
| 11:47.05 | jelly | judd, kernels |
| 11:47.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 11:47.15 | matthiasb | I don't think it will help because it's a quite old board, not a new one... |
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| 11:47.59 | jelly | matthiasb: using a different kernel might still help because you might be hitting a regression in that particular version |
| 11:48.33 | aguitel | anyone know how install video driver fot notebook hp paviliion dv4 1212 ? |
| 11:48.35 | jelly | matthiasb: what's the pci id of your IDE/ATA controller? (use lspci -nn to find out) |
| 11:48.43 | chessboxing | Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Syntax error on line 281 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 42 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_scgi.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_scgi.so Cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:48.46 | cantido | themill: sorry for the delay.. that sounds good, cheers :) |
| 11:49.04 | matthiasb | lspci -v yields this for my disk: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) |
| 11:49.27 | jelly | matthiasb: that doesn't show the numerical pci-id |
| 11:49.42 | jelly | but yeah, quite old |
| 11:49.47 | matthiasb | 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 83) |
| 11:50.00 | matthiasb | It's an about four years old Acer notebook. |
| 11:50.08 | jelly | try again... ;-) |
| 11:50.20 | themill | cantido: no worries. http://paste.debian.net/66752/ |
| 11:50.33 | matthiasb | Pardon? |
| 11:50.39 | jelly | matthiasb: 00:1f.1 was the correct card |
| 11:51.00 | matthiasb | 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24cc] (rev 03) |
| 11:51.10 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:24cc |
| 11:51.12 | judd | [8086:24cc] is '82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'intel-rng', 'iTCO_wdt' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24cc |
| 11:51.25 | jelly | matthiasb: that's still not 00:1f.1 |
| 11:51.53 | matthiasb | 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller [8086:24ca] (rev 03) |
| 11:52.01 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:24ca |
| 11:52.02 | matthiasb | I know i'm quite clumsy. |
| 11:52.02 | judd | [8086:24ca] is '82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24ca |
| 11:52.12 | jelly | hm. |
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| 11:53.02 | jelly | matthiasb: does your disk appear as /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*? |
| 11:53.11 | matthiasb | It's hda |
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| 11:54.44 | matthiasb | I'm using 2.6.26-2-686, shouldn't it work then? |
| 11:55.14 | jelly | matthiasb: what does grep -i '8086.*24ca' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/* report? |
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| 11:55.41 | jelly | if it reports both piix and ata_piix, you can try using the libata driver |
| 11:55.52 | jelly | this will make your disk /dev/sda, though |
| 11:56.19 | matthiasb | A lot of numbers... http://pastebin.de/4986 |
| 11:56.57 | jelly | so, piix only. |
| 11:59.05 | jelly | and it's piix until 2.6.33 |
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| 11:59.40 | chessboxing | can someone help me? |
| 11:59.52 | matthiasb | That means after installing kernel 2.6.33 nothing will work anymore? |
| 12:00.02 | jelly | matthiasb: I'd still try eg. 2.6.32 kernel from backports.org to see if it works better |
| 12:00.08 | kryl | woops :) |
| 12:00.10 | kryl | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.fr.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:00.38 | kryl | what can I do for that please ? |
| 12:00.42 | valdyn | kryl: run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 12:00.58 | wols | chessboxing: did you edit any apache config file? |
| 12:01.13 | jelly | matthiasb: in 2.6.33 ata_piix is used instead, and your disks become /dev/sd* devices, which means some boot loader and /etc/fstab fixing. However, next Debian release will likely use 2.6.32 so you're somewhat safe there |
| 12:01.22 | wols | chessboxing: apparently you did. you told it to load a library which doesn't exist. fix that |
| 12:01.42 | chessboxing | wols: euh no, I jsut followed that guide I mentioned: http://chogie.info/?p=3 |
| 12:01.54 | wols | ,versions libapache2-mod-scgi |
| 12:01.56 | judd | libapache2-mod-scgi -- etch: 1.11-2; lenny: 1.12-0.2; sid: 1.13-1; squeeze: 1.13-1 |
| 12:02.12 | chessboxing | wols: this is installed |
| 12:02.25 | wols | chessboxing: the howto TOLD you to edit an apache config file, duh! |
| 12:02.37 | wols | instead if blindly following some text without a clue, THINK for a second |
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| 12:03.21 | wols | chessboxing: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-scgi |
| 12:03.25 | chessboxing | wols: I tried to interpret the error, duh!!! And this .so is in there! |
| 12:03.53 | matthiasb | Wow, i'm not going to ask how you can know all that but thanks. I've got another machine i can work until 2.6.33 and chances are i'll come back then and aks how to fix that boot loader and fstab thingie. |
| 12:04.17 | wols | < wols> chessboxing: did you edit any apache config file? < chessboxing> wols: euh no, I jsut followed that guide I mentioned. So clearly there was no thinking at least there |
| 12:04.43 | jelly | matthiasb: found oout by doing the same grep for your device on different kernel module trees |
| 12:04.47 | valdyn | matthiasb: you can and could work around this by referring to disks by one of a few ID values instead of the outdated hda/sda scheme |
| 12:04.52 | aguitel | anyone know how install video driver fot notebook hp paviliion dv4 1212 ? |
| 12:04.53 | chessboxing | I didn't edit any apache files, apart from the guide! |
| 12:05.01 | wols | gives up |
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| 12:05.08 | chessboxing | I assumed you read the guide. |
| 12:05.14 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 12:05.15 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 12:06.31 | wols | aguitel: what videochip? |
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| 12:06.55 | aguitel | wols, ati radeon 3200 |
| 12:07.05 | wols | radeon or fglrx it is |
| 12:07.06 | chessboxing | dpkg: the thing is, some people don't know were to start reading, which should be relevant what they want to achive. |
| 12:07.07 | dpkg | chessboxing: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:07.29 | aguitel | wols, how i know |
| 12:07.37 | wols | aguitel: how you know what? |
| 12:07.53 | aguitel | wols, with lspci |
| 12:07.57 | jelly | chessboxing: dpkg is a mindless bot |
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| 12:08.38 | aguitel | wols, ATI Radeon HD 3200 |
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| 12:08.50 | chessboxing | jelly: figured that out before I submit my text. I was just playing the stupid conversation. Because it want to act smart. |
| 12:08.52 | jelly | chessboxing: typically, in Debian you can go see what's in /usr/share/doc/packagename/, starting with README.Debian* it is exists |
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| 12:08.56 | wols | aguitel: you already said that |
| 12:09.23 | wols | aguitel: what is your perceived problem? |
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| 12:09.49 | aguitel | wols, no 3d aceleration |
| 12:10.04 | jelly | chessboxing: so, for apache, zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz, and for general Apache docs, http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 12:10.07 | wols | !tell aguitel about ati |
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| 12:10.45 | wols | aguitel: most likely you will need fglrx: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 12:10.58 | wols | aguitel: you are running lenny, right? |
| 12:11.07 | aguitel | wols, squeeze |
| 12:11.20 | wols | *sigh* is it sunday already |
| 12:11.27 | jelly | chessboxing: if there's a file missing from your distro, you can use the interface at http://packages.debian.org/, or the apt-file package, or judd bot here |
| 12:11.36 | wols | aguitel: either your card works with radeon/radeonhd or you can't have 3D accel |
| 12:11.48 | jelly | judd: file modules/mod_scgi.so |
| 12:11.50 | judd | modules/mod_scgi.so in lenny/i386: libapache2-mod-scgi: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_scgi.so |
| 12:12.36 | wols | jelly: now that you're that far, let him check if the package is actually installed. maybe he listens to you. if you are lucky |
| 12:12.44 | chessboxing | mod_scgi.so is at its place. Its there, it exists. |
| 12:13.06 | chessboxing | I checked that immediatly when I got this error. |
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| 12:13.26 | aguitel | wols, i follow this guide and is not working 3d:http://picandocodigo.net/2009/ati-radeon-hd-3200-en-debian-squeeze-con-fglrx/ |
| 12:13.56 | wols | aguitel: that guide is bullshit. you will NOT get fglrx to work on squeeze right now, period |
| 12:14.25 | aguitel | wols, i get from sid |
| 12:14.30 | jelly | wols: nah, I only paste some generic advice and run away :-> |
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| 12:15.01 | wols | aguitel: there is no fglrx driver in existence that works with Xorg 1.7 or later (doesn't matter if sid or squeeze) |
| 12:15.33 | aguitel | wols, ok |
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| 12:21.57 | aguitel | wols, when i make the fresh squeeze install and when i type :glxinfo ,say yes and glxgears is working fine but when i installed compiz there is a blank screen and i need to uninstall compiz |
| 12:23.35 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
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| 12:23.42 | HardDisk_WP | I got a prob with ssh pubkey auth... |
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| 12:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | copied id_rsa.pub from $client to $server/authorized_keys |
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| 12:24.15 | HardDisk_WP | but when i run ssh $server, it still asks me for password |
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| 12:26.51 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: use ssh_copy_id |
| 12:27.09 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ssh-copy-id even |
| 12:27.15 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that always does the right thing |
| 12:27.46 | HardDisk_WP | still asks me for pass |
| 12:27.57 | HardDisk_WP | xyz@vs932's password: |
| 12:27.58 | ham5 | dose debian release kernel configs? |
| 12:28.02 | ham5 | like for newer kernels |
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| 12:28.26 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: if you actually used ssh-copy-id and its still asking for a password then the server is configured wrongly |
| 12:28.43 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ( or that id is rejected because its vulnerable, i guess ) |
| 12:29.02 | HardDisk_WP | no... uudecode failed |
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| 12:29.16 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: what does uudecode have to do with it? |
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| 12:29.26 | HardDisk_WP | thats what is in the auth.log |
| 12:29.37 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: so the ID is broken? |
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| 12:29.57 | HardDisk_WP | the ID works for $other_server fine |
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| 12:30.20 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: or you broken the authorized_keys file |
| 12:30.24 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: or you broke the authorized_keys file |
| 12:30.31 | HardDisk_WP | nah, just rebuilt it. now the auth.log says |
| 12:30.32 | HardDisk_WP | Mar 31 14:29:36 vs932 sshd[7756]: pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory |
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| 12:31.21 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: why would you have deleted that file? |
| 12:31.29 | HardDisk_WP | thats a fresh vserver install, lol |
| 12:31.34 | kryl | valdyn, that's the message I get when I did aptitude update ... |
| 12:31.37 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: then its not debian |
| 12:31.41 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: who installed it? |
| 12:31.51 | HardDisk_WP | it is. image provided by $hoster |
| 12:31.52 | kryl | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.fr.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:31.52 | trone | There is a way to know what debian-package installed a specific file in a box? (a sort of "reverse dpkg -L" :-P ). Using cmdl on the box, no web (packages.debian.org give me the chance to search single files indeed) |
| 12:31.59 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: anyhoo, just run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:32.09 | valdyn | kryl: i know, the fix is still the same I told you |
| 12:32.10 | liable | trone: dpkg -S file |
| 12:32.22 | liable | but that doesnt neccesarily cover all cases |
| 12:32.25 | kryl | ? |
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| 12:32.40 | trone | liable: !! thank you. |
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| 12:32.53 | kryl | valdyn, you told me to do aptitude update isn't it ? |
| 12:33.00 | valdyn | kryl: yea |
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| 12:33.13 | kryl | valdyn, but that's the error message about this command :) |
| 12:33.22 | valdyn | kryl: whats the output for "stat /var/lib/apt/lists" |
| 12:33.58 | rosie | hi.. i have this pretty weird problem, i have this script.. when i run the script (10 times) in the console.. i get no errors or no warning at all.. no output, but when cron handle my script.. i get this: cat: write error: Broken pipe, error all the time.. with no exceptions.. :/ the only thing the script does.. log in to remote server, fetch logs, merge logs, parse log, exit |
| 12:34.19 | hollo_ | sorry.. just changed name from rosie :/ |
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| 12:34.26 | kryl | valdyn, there http://pastebin.com/RLDym7Gd |
| 12:34.40 | hollo_ | dont know if anyone has experience with what i just experienced? |
| 12:34.50 | valdyn | kryl: remember to *always* give us the first error, not the last |
| 12:35.03 | valdyn | kryl: your network connection or at leaste your name resolver is broken |
| 12:35.07 | kryl | that's my first error sorry |
| 12:35.18 | kryl | ok |
| 12:35.23 | valdyn | kryl: the first error is "Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.fr.debian.org'" |
| 12:35.25 | kryl | I'm fixing that, thank you |
| 12:35.33 | kryl | woops ok |
| 12:36.02 | kryl | nice |
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| 12:40.49 | telmich | hello |
| 12:40.58 | hollo_ | mjeh |
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| 12:41.37 | telmich | I'm trying to build a debian package suitable for mentors.d.o, but have the problem that I do not get a .dsc file |
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| 12:42.33 | lucy2 | hi |
| 12:42.37 | telmich | background: I'm trying to build unscd-0.45, the source tree is already debianfied, debuild -b works mostly, until it wants to sign, because the key is on a different machine. after signing the package on my trusted machine with debsign -k31877DF0 I got a mail that the .dsc is missing |
| 12:42.55 | liable | telmich: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 12:42.56 | telmich | question: how to create the .dsc and why are the options (like -b) not documentated in man debuild? |
| 12:43.00 | telmich | liable: thanks! |
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| 12:43.29 | lucy2 | i got ppc and i want to install debian. is there all package ports for ppc? |
| 12:43.47 | liable | ppc is pretty well supported |
| 12:44.06 | liable | i dunno if *everything* is ported though |
| 12:44.08 | wols | lucy2: yes. some things, e.g. wine are not available on ppc simply cause it doesn't exist |
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| 12:44.18 | wols | and doesn't make sense either |
| 12:44.56 | wols | in a similar way, i386 doesn't have the bootloader for ppp, so it evens out |
| 12:45.26 | liable | i'll take no bootloader over no wmv video codecs :P |
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| 12:45.45 | lucy2 | ok thnaks |
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| 12:46.59 | cantido | I thought wine on PPC could run PPC NT apps.. |
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| 12:49.50 | lucy2 | i know ciz wine needs x86 |
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| 12:51.46 | cantido | lucy2: from what I can see someone did submit patches so that it could load PPC NT binaries ;) |
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| 12:52.03 | lucy2 | hmm |
| 12:52.06 | lucy2 | i donno that |
| 12:52.26 | lucy2 | what im ganna tell you |
| 12:52.34 | jelly | cantido: do you have any ppc nt apps lying around to test? |
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| 12:52.45 | cantido | you can probably load alpha stuff too.. but there's probably only a few of those in existence |
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| 12:54.16 | lucy2 | and another q. |
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| 12:54.43 | lucy2 | when im gonna compile some thing on ppc |
| 12:54.49 | lucy2 | it give us that |
| 12:54.52 | lucy2 | [ 0%] Built target minizip |
| 12:54.53 | lucy2 | [ 0%] Building CXX object rts/lib/CMakeFiles/hpiutil2.dir/hpiutil2/substream.cpp.o |
| 12:54.53 | lucy2 | cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-march=ppc" |
| 12:54.53 | lucy2 | make[2]: *** [rts/lib/CMakeFiles/hpiutil2.dir/hpiutil2/substream.cpp.o] Error 1 |
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| 13:08.24 | chrisw1 | how can I cehck why a logrotate config isn't working? |
| 13:08.28 | chrisw1 | wher does it log to? |
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| 13:10.10 | DogBoy | chrisw1, man logrotate |
| 13:10.21 | chrisw1 | wow, thanks, that was helpful |
| 13:10.31 | chrisw1 | do you not think I might have done that already and not found it enlightening? |
| 13:10.52 | chrisw1 | if you have a specific section of man logrotate that I've missed, please feel free to scold me with it... |
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| 13:12.59 | abrotman | chrisw1: which logs? |
| 13:13.23 | DogBoy | even more helpful is when your lecture chrisw1 |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | engrish |
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| 13:14.07 | chrisw1 | abrotman: it's a custom logrotate config |
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| 13:14.19 | abrotman | chrisw1: can you paste it somewhere ? |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | like paste.debian.net |
| 13:14.31 | chrisw1 | I ran "logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf" and ti said "error: /etc/logrotate.conf:34 duplicate log entry for " |
| 13:14.59 | chrisw1 | line 34 is "/some/folder/*.log* {" |
| 13:15.08 | abrotman | or be vague ... |
| 13:15.56 | chrisw1 | sorry, confidential :-( |
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| 13:15.58 | abrotman | chrisw1: "dpkg -l logrotate | tail -1" .. what is the version |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | a filename is confidential? |
| 13:16.17 | chrisw1 | 3.7.1-3ubuntu0.8.04 |
| 13:16.24 | chrisw1 | and yes, a file tree is confidential |
| 13:16.25 | babilen | :-\ |
| 13:16.26 | abrotman | chrisw1: please go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 13:16.35 | chrisw1 | oh come on |
| 13:16.37 | chrisw1 | it's logrotate |
| 13:16.40 | Titan8990 | !ubnuntu |
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| 13:16.43 | chrisw1 | they can't have buggered that up/// |
| 13:16.45 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 13:16.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 13:17.01 | abrotman | chrisw1: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, go to #ubuntu for support. |
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| 13:20.57 | stockholm | where are the updateded d-i images? |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | updated for what? |
| 13:21.13 | stockholm | newer kernel |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 13:21.16 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | those? |
| 13:21.21 | stockholm | i dont see that in the /topic |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | we haven't done lennynhalf yet .. |
| 13:21.30 | abrotman | because they're not official i guess .. |
| 13:21.31 | stockholm | yes, thanks |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | or you can use a squeeze installer also i suppose |
| 13:22.37 | wols | abrotman: have mercy. don't tell people to install squeeze. pretty please? |
| 13:22.48 | E-bola | ya cuz it has asterisk bugs :) |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | wols: i'd assume a DD can handle it ... |
| 13:23.30 | wols | a dd who can't find installer images? have the standards slipped? |
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| 13:30.07 | Holborn | We have a week without updates in unstable? |
| 13:30.13 | babilen | !ries |
| 13:30.13 | dpkg | ries.debian.org is the server behind ftp-master.debian.org (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=ries http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg00010.html . Ask me about <dda>. |
| 13:30.44 | themill | makes Holborn read /topic |
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| 13:31.03 | Holborn | ops .. sorry |
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| 13:35.58 | liable | noone reads /topic! |
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| 13:39.37 | E-bola | on1 |
| 13:39.40 | E-bola | no1 even |
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| 13:40.40 | Guest94321 | there's nothing like that moment when you realize you're a tool, E-bola. |
| 13:40.56 | E-bola | nc |
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| 13:49.45 | mypcwontstart | I'm getting "mount of root filesystem failed". So, after following this tutorial http://www.ubuntugeek.com/rescue-an-encrypted-luks-lvm-volume.html what should I do next? Any help would be kindly appreciated! |
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| 13:51.08 | Titan8990 | mypcwontstart: start with details on why you think your failure to mount the rootfs is related to disk encryption, and how you got in this spot in the first place |
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| 13:52.33 | themill | mypcwontstart: what's actually installed on this machine? Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 13:53.14 | mypcwontstart | ubuntu but no one is helping me in #ubuntu |
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| 13:53.22 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 13:53.23 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 13:53.56 | cognitiaclaeves | Anyone here use munin? I'm trying to figure out how to configure a plug in. ( And to determine if ip_ even works. ) |
| 13:54.44 | mypcwontstart | I'm not hassling anyone, not forcing anyone to answer. I just was asking anyone who might be interested. |
| 13:55.11 | themill | mypcwontstart: any answers from #debian probably wouldn't be applicable to your system anyway. Please stick with #ubuntu. |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | mypcwontstart: please use #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 14:08.50 | amikrop_ | Hi, I have a DELL Latitude D820 and Bluetooth doesn't work (I can't send or receive files). When I do an lsusb I get "Bus 002 Device 005: ID 413c:8103 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 350 Bluetooth". Any help, please? |
| 14:09.10 | zmotok | hello guys, I know this isn't a specifically debianish question but.. anyone know how you can get on which processor/core is a specific pid running on? (in debian) |
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| 14:29.44 | jareth_ | amikrop_: can you check if the following modules are loaded? usb-serial & usb-uhci |
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| 14:34.40 | khem_ | can somebody help me to get Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0471:1237 Philips TalkTalk SNU5630NS/05 Wireless Adapter |
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| 14:34.48 | khem_ | working for gprs edge internet? |
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| 14:39.08 | captainc | I'm trying to expand a logical partition that is directly before another logical partition that is governed by lvm. How should I move the physical partition? use fdisk or lvm tools? |
| 14:39.53 | Titan8990 | khem_: lpsci -nn |
| 14:39.57 | captainc | I mean how can I move the logical partition on the physical disk further down so that I can expand the one before it? ... without mucking up the lvm. |
| 14:40.52 | Titan8990 | captainc: is it a logical partition... or is an lvm volume? |
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| 14:42.07 | captainc | sda4 is an extended partition with 3 logical partitions inside: START| sda5 | sda6 | unallocated space | sda7 | END |
| 14:42.41 | captainc | sda5 is my os, sda 6 is the lvm with home and swap |
| 14:43.08 | captainc | sda6 is also crypt-luks |
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| 14:43.58 | captainc | i want to increase sda5 by 10G and then expand the sda6 to the rest of the unallocated space |
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| 14:44.37 | darkhmet | Hi all |
| 14:44.38 | captainc | this is the result of moving to a larger hard drive. I did a clone of the smaller. |
| 14:44.39 | darkhmet | :D |
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| 14:45.48 | emerica | anyideas of a a tool that will read the correct usage of an areca raid df is only reporting the size of one drive |
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| 14:46.22 | khem_ | Titan8990: here it comes |
| 14:47.19 | khem_ | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/248pitWr |
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| 14:48.07 | Titan8990 | khem_: oh... its a usb device? |
| 14:48.31 | babilen | khem_: Are you using Ubuntu? |
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| 14:49.36 | isfranc | hello |
| 14:49.40 | babilen | welcome back |
| 14:49.41 | khem_ | Titan8990: it is a usb service |
| 14:50.11 | khem_ | babilen: yes sir im using ubuntu but since it is deb compatible and im a former user familiar with this channel i decided to post the problem here aswell, hoep it doesnt disturb. |
| 14:50.30 | E-bola | babilen: i actualy found the cause of that asterisk bug now :) |
| 14:50.31 | babilen | khem_: Well, Ubuntu is not supported in here. |
| 14:50.39 | wols | it doesn't cause no one will help you. have a nice day and greet the #ubuntu people |
| 14:50.49 | babilen | E-bola: Great! Could you solve it? |
| 14:50.55 | E-bola | Yep |
| 14:51.04 | E-bola | or well work around it, but with no negative consequences :) |
| 14:51.15 | E-bola | first time ever ile be reporting a fix back to a maintainer hehe |
| 14:51.16 | E-bola | cool |
| 14:51.18 | babilen | E-bola: What was the solution? I hope that you added that to the bug report! |
| 14:51.32 | babilen | !congratulate E-bola |
| 14:51.33 | dpkg | Nice one E-bola, you did it! |
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| 14:52.05 | khem_ | babilen: i understand, this is not very ubuntu specific though, it happens to be more users in this channel than #linux or something like that for instance |
| 14:52.09 | babilen | E-bola: Or if you amended the bug report already, just give me the bug number again. hooray! |
| 14:52.20 | babilen | !tell khem_ -about ubuntu |
| 14:52.23 | abrotman | khem_: please go to #ubuntu or ##linux for support. |
| 14:52.34 | babilen | khem_: If you want to get support in here --> Install Debian |
| 14:53.00 | abrotman | khem_: Ubuntu makes many changes to their software, especially their kernel. We cannot possibly know about those changes. |
| 14:53.13 | khem_ | ok |
| 14:53.24 | khem_ | i fully understand |
| 14:53.41 | abrotman | khem_: thank you for being understanding |
| 14:54.08 | khem_ | i will stick around and see if i can help other debian users |
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| 14:54.24 | babilen | khem_: Great :) |
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| 14:56.30 | rebgil | Hi, I need to find all files that contain one string, and then out of those files I need to find the ones that contain another string, is there a grep guru in the house? |
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| 14:56.32 | kzim | hi |
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| 14:56.58 | kzim | there is no php5-svn package for function like svn_ls() ? please |
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| 14:57.48 | E-bola | babilen: i wrote an explannation to the bugtracker, so it should apear shortly |
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| 14:57.57 | E-bola | its #557888 if interested |
| 14:58.21 | SPF | rebgil: try find . -name "*" -exec grep "string1" {} \; -print (dont know how to extend this command though) |
| 14:59.05 | ChildOfGod | I can connect to the internet via pppconfig. i can ping www.google.com, but firefox says that internet is not connected. What is the problem? How to tell Gnome which interface to use? |
| 14:59.05 | rebgil | SPF: thanks, I was thinking grep -l strring1 *|grep string2 but it doesn't use the file names from the 1st grep - no idea |
| 14:59.50 | jhutchins_lt | ChildOfGod: Might be a DNS issue. |
| 15:00.09 | ChildOfGod | jhutchins, DNS is fine. I can ping www.goolgle.com |
| 15:00.11 | ChildOfGod | google* |
| 15:00.14 | Mowee | cya o/ |
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| 15:01.08 | Titan8990 | SPF: for i in *; do echo "$i"; done |
| 15:01.22 | Titan8990 | SPF: shouldn't need find when you want to find everything |
| 15:01.26 | isfranc | ChildOfGod: firefox is in deconnect mode ? |
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| 15:01.40 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, disconnect, yes. |
| 15:01.41 | babilen | E-bola: Great. Consider yourself hugged by the Debian community :) |
| 15:01.52 | SPF | Titan8990: but that isn't recursive search is it? |
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| 15:02.28 | Titan8990 | SPF: no, its not recursive, but it sounds like you might just want the -r function of grep |
| 15:02.31 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, I am using Google DNS |
| 15:02.39 | Titan8990 | SPF: grep -r 'string1' * |
| 15:02.49 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, but i links www.google.com does not open |
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| 15:03.14 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, links www.google.com does not open * |
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| 15:03.21 | isfranc | ChildOfGod: have you select deconnect mode in option ? |
| 15:03.35 | SPF | Titan8990: and how does it show you the file names then? |
| 15:03.43 | isfranc | hรยฉhรยฉ i have a english of old dog :) |
| 15:03.45 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, no. |
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| 15:03.57 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, firefox says not connected |
| 15:04.02 | ChildOfGod | it not in disconnect mode |
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| 15:05.29 | isfranc | an w3m in text mode, have google ? |
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| 15:05.47 | Titan8990 | SPF: use -H as well |
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| 15:06.29 | Titan8990 | SPF: if you were to use find, personally, I would use -type f instead of -name * |
| 15:06.46 | SPF | hmm, true |
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| 15:08.07 | isfranc | ChildOfGod: try w3m http://google.com |
| 15:08.15 | isfranc | in text |
| 15:09.06 | pseubodot | I'm writing a metapackage for internal use, and I maintain it in cvs. lintian is telling me 'unknown-control-file CVS' -- is there some way I can specify to ignore the CVS directories? |
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| 15:09.38 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, www.google.com contacted. Waiting for reply... |
| 15:09.45 | pseubodot | yeah, yeah\ |
| 15:09.47 | ChildOfGod | but i can ping www.google.com !! |
| 15:09.49 | pseubodot | been there |
| 15:10.00 | pseubodot | not finding enough |
| 15:10.03 | pseubodot | reading the NMG |
| 15:10.12 | isfranc | ChildOfGod: have you firewall ? |
| 15:10.14 | pseubodot | I'm a bit too early into packaging to make sense of all the info |
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| 15:10.24 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, infact the machine is some thousand miles away from me and i am sshed into it |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | pseubodot: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:10.51 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, I can turn off ufw wait |
| 15:10.52 | abrotman | since you're already on that network! |
| 15:10.54 | pseubodot | abrotman: will do, thanks |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | pseubodot: ISTR there was a way to have it ignore certain files |
| 15:11.30 | ChildOfGod | isfranc, firewall not runnning |
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| 15:12.00 | Titan8990 | ufw is in debian? |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:12.07 | Titan8990 | judd: info ufw |
| 15:12.08 | abrotman | ,versions ufw |
| 15:12.08 | judd | No record of package 'ufw' in lenny/i386. |
| 15:12.10 | judd | ufw -- sid: 0.29.3-1; squeeze: 0.29.3-1 |
| 15:12.19 | Titan8990 | not in stable |
| 15:12.21 | czesmir | but what you think about ufw? |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | right |
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| 15:13.02 | Titan8990 | ChildOfGod: your running testing or unstable? |
| 15:13.13 | ChildOfGod | Titan8990, ubutnu 9.10 |
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| 15:13.17 | ChildOfGod | ubuntu* |
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| 15:14.49 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 15:15.21 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 15:15.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:16.02 | Titan8990 | ChildOfGod: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:16.33 | nitrox | not only memory but whole board broken on reis? |
| 15:16.46 | azeem | it's ries, and it's off-topic here |
| 15:17.17 | julian1 | hi there. i just stepped in from ubuntu to debian. I going to use cuda on this system and so I need cuda driver v'from nvidia. I stuck at getting that kerne-source-* working. |
| 15:17.18 | nitrox | not much left for on-topic, eh? :) |
| 15:18.00 | julian1 | I need a file callesd /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 15:18.25 | jelly | julian1: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) if they're not already there |
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| 15:18.35 | julian1 | but! I dont know how to to do the configuration (and why) |
| 15:18.48 | jelly | !nvidia |
| 15:18.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 15:19.26 | Titan8990 | julian1: you mean from the ubuntu to debian channels, you installed and are now using debian? |
| 15:19.43 | jelly | judd: versions libcuda1 |
| 15:19.44 | judd | libcuda1 -- sid/non-free: 190.53-1 |
| 15:19.49 | jelly | hmph |
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| 15:19.58 | jelly | judd: versions libcuda-dev |
| 15:20.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libcuda-dev' was found. |
| 15:20.02 | julian1 | Titan8990: NO from ubuntu to debian system :D |
| 15:20.02 | julian1 | jelly: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 15:20.17 | jelly | judd: kernels |
| 15:20.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | julian1: which version of debian are you using? |
| 15:20.49 | jelly | julian1: should be there, try running an "aptitude update" beforehand |
| 15:20.55 | julian1 | abrotman: lenny |
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| 15:21.11 | abrotman | julian1: the package is linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 15:21.14 | julian1 | jelly is that as good as apt-get? |
| 15:21.28 | abrotman | julian1: yes, you should be using aptitude |
| 15:21.38 | jelly | julian1: it does almost the same thing |
| 15:21.42 | abrotman | julian1: jelly got the package name wrong .. it changed a bit ago .. force of habit |
| 15:21.48 | julian1 | abrotman: got it! |
| 15:21.57 | jelly | ah |
| 15:22.11 | jelly | dpkg, smite me |
| 15:22.11 | dpkg | smites jelly with a plague of characters from an unknown locale |
| 15:22.23 | julian1 | abrotman: yes that confused me a bit too. thought it would be a debian - ubuntu diff |
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| 15:23.42 | julian1 | abrotman: jelly: do i have to extract those headers or something |
| 15:24.00 | wols | !tell julian1 about nvidia squeeze |
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| 15:24.14 | wols | julian1: even whn you run lenny you probably need the newest nvidia drivers from sid |
| 15:24.24 | wols | and I guess the libcuda as well from there |
| 15:24.36 | jelly | julian1: just install them |
| 15:24.49 | julian1 | wols: what is sid? |
| 15:25.08 | wols | debian unstable. which happens to have nvidia 190 drivers instead of nvidia 173 drivers in lenny |
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| 15:25.51 | Ox90 | julian1, have a look at debian-backports |
| 15:26.14 | wols | the nvidia squeeze factoid shows everything you need to do, simply change squeeze to lenny, that's all |
| 15:26.16 | jelly | Ox90: there is no libcuda in debian-backports, else judd would have shown it |
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| 15:26.27 | Ox90 | urgh, my bad |
| 15:26.47 | onur | Hi. I have a question. Should I use xen kernel in a xen guest? |
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| 15:27.21 | julian1 | wols: ok |
| 15:28.11 | julian1 | one general question: is it good to mix up with usage of apt-get and aptitude? once heard rumors about database-crashed |
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| 15:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | julian1: It doesn't seem to be actively harmful, but it would probably be best to be consistent about using aptitude. |
| 15:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | julian1: Unless your system is low on resources and sensitive to the heavier features. |
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| 15:39.12 | knnk | I thought aptitude was just a frontend to apt-get |
| 15:39.17 | julian1 | jhutchins ok then im going to change to aptitude for the future |
| 15:39.41 | themill | knnk: no, they're both frontends for libapt |
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| 15:40.53 | wols | julian1: but be careful not to get anything else from sid. only the nvidia drivers, nothing like libc and the like |
| 15:40.53 | PyroPhelia | how how do I find every file on a server with a duplicate file name. multiple files have been created an updated at different times so I need to find where they are and what the most recent version is. |
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| 15:44.13 | Titan8990 | PyroPhelia: try fdupes |
| 15:44.39 | PyroPhelia | I thought that only works if the files were the same size |
| 15:44.45 | PyroPhelia | my problem is they're not |
| 15:45.03 | PyroPhelia | I need to be able to sort them all based on the same file name vs date modified |
| 15:45.19 | Titan8990 | PyroPhelia: then you may need to write your own script |
| 15:45.23 | PyroPhelia | arg |
| 15:45.34 | PyroPhelia | I knew I should have spent more time learn bash scripting |
| 15:45.37 | wols | ls -lR / then start from there :) |
| 15:45.44 | PyroPhelia | lol NOOOOO |
| 15:45.48 | wols | I wouldn't use bash for that. perl, python, ruby |
| 15:46.03 | PyroPhelia | well...I always wanted an excuse to learn pearl |
| 15:46.05 | PyroPhelia | perl* |
| 15:46.14 | Titan8990 | hehe, I found my excuse last night... |
| 15:46.24 | Titan8990 | needs to modify a perl script that parses IRC logs |
| 15:46.35 | PyroPhelia | the only problem with ls -lR is that this server cluster has 2PB so....that might take me awhile >< |
| 15:47.05 | Titan8990 | any kind of searching will take a while... I hope that 2pb of scsis |
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| 15:47.14 | PyroPhelia | sas |
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| 15:47.30 | Titan8990 | atleast they are fast drives |
| 15:47.33 | PyroPhelia | actually i'm lying they're just sata |
| 15:47.34 | PyroPhelia | :( |
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| 15:48.21 | PyroPhelia | and no raid card either. even worse, raid 6 |
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| 15:54.46 | julian1 | sorry guys... I just dont get it :( I already added http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free to the sources.list. after an update i still cant find this nvidia-kernel* package |
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| 15:57.21 | knnk | julian you could always just use the binary off of the nvidia site |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | which is not supported here |
| 15:57.51 | knnk | well I'm just letting him know it exists. |
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| 16:02.34 | jhutchins | julian1: What guide are you following? |
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| 16:05.06 | julian1 | abrotman: knnk: I already checked this. It wont work. Im just wondering, if I too dumb for debian :P |
| 16:05.13 | julian1 | perhaps later |
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| 16:05.39 | abrotman | julian1: well, nvidia doesn't exactly make it easy on their users |
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| 16:05.53 | Matic`M | Hey there. Is it just me or are lsb and debian standards for init scripts a bit different? |
| 16:06.06 | Matic`M | Is there a document written on the issue maybe? |
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| 16:08.24 | darkhmet | :D |
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| 16:12.27 | saroja | can anyone tell me how to configure internet in debian |
| 16:12.56 | Matic`M | saroja: spill more details. Direct internet access or lan etc.. |
| 16:12.59 | Titan8990 | !networking |
| 16:12.59 | dpkg | hmm... networking is "For basic networking "man interfaces", http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration , and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup |
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| 16:13.35 | saroja | i want to configure lan through ethernet |
| 16:14.01 | nsadmin | is there a dhcp server on the lan? |
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| 16:14.52 | icebrain | is it possible to have a "conditional" hosts file, that either points to a local or internet IP based on my current IP? |
| 16:15.45 | rgr | icebrain: you could theoretically modiy scripts called by the interface up scripts I guess to swap them over based on the ip since its read at each hostname look up. |
| 16:16.17 | rgr | e.g dsomething like wicd allowed you easily to add "post up" scripts which were called. |
| 16:16.27 | abrotman | icebrain: there used to be a program to do that .. |
| 16:16.39 | abrotman | judd: info netenv |
| 16:16.41 | judd | netenv (admin, extra): Configure your system for different network environments. Version: 0.94.3-24; Size: 74.9k; Installed: 336k; Homepage: http://netenv.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:16.48 | abrotman | may do it |
| 16:16.51 | themill | ,info guessnet |
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| 16:16.52 | judd | guessnet (net, optional): Guess which LAN a network device is connected to. Version: 0.49-1; Size: 179.4k; Installed: 432k |
| 16:17.12 | icebrain | ok, thanks rgr, abrotman, themill |
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| 16:17.31 | rgr | ifupdown mapping scripts |
| 16:17.36 | jhutchins | resolvconf |
| 16:18.00 | abrotman | i think resolvconf only manages /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:18.01 | Gnarfoz | in aptitude, should searching for "~ahold" not get me the list of packages that are on hold? |
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| 16:18.35 | rgr | netenv looks handy. that and etckeeper make today a good day. |
| 16:19.38 | qt-x | Gnarfoz: try see for yourself |
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| 16:20.32 | Gnarfoz | qt-x: well, it doesn't, and I don't understand why |
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| 16:20.43 | Gnarfoz | (and the help says this is how it should work) |
| 16:20.51 | qt-x | Gnarfoz: doy you have any package on hold ? |
| 16:21.05 | Gnarfoz | I thought so, but I can't remember the name |
| 16:21.30 | abrotman | Gnarfoz: dpkg --get-selections .. see if any are marked |
| 16:21.31 | Gnarfoz | sadly, aptitude has no "no search results" notification |
| 16:21.32 | qt-x | well put a package on hold and try again |
| 16:22.44 | abrotman | Gnarfoz: yes, your syntax is correct according to TFM |
| 16:22.58 | Gnarfoz | qt-x: thanks, kind of obvious that the program wasn't wrong but my memory was |
| 16:23.30 | qt-x | glad you solved the problem :D |
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| 16:25.42 | gregcoit | I have /home symlinked to another filesystem. Users can see their dir just fine, and root can access all of them like normal, but cron jobs say /home/user doesn't exists - any idea why? |
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| 16:27.25 | rgr | did you try to mount it rather than symlink it? |
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| 16:29.10 | gregcoit | rgr: i haven't tried that. the new filesystem is, of course, mounted. i'll try mounting the home dir on that fileystsem to /homer |
| 16:29.15 | gregcoit | er, home |
| 16:29.28 | rgr | doh. lol. |
| 16:29.36 | gregcoit | :) |
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| 16:30.33 | gregcoit | hornswoggle: still, it seems strange to me that a cron job can"t "see' a symlink |
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| 16:34.29 | SerajewelKS | gregcoit: it's possible that that is either a security precaution, or that cron has the old /home inode still open |
| 16:34.46 | SerajewelKS | gregcoit: restarting cron completely might work |
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| 16:35.47 | gregcoit | SerajewelKS: good idea - I'll try that - less disruptive to the users than remouning home |
| 16:36.11 | SerajewelKS | gregcoit: you could also mount --bind |
| 16:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to "upgrade" an RPM-based install to Debian, retaining most of the same packages? |
| 16:36.57 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: export a list of installed packages, match them to debian packages, and install those in a fresh debian install? |
| 16:37.05 | gregcoit | SerajewelKS: yeah, I hadn't thought of that option either |
| 16:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Kinda looking for a more automated method than that. |
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| 16:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | It's certainly the fallback. |
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| 16:37.56 | Lantizia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAOLOGGftTY |
| 16:38.03 | Lantizia | oops wrong paste... |
| 16:38.15 | Lantizia | SWAT seems to be the only official WebGUI for Samba... when I look at the package description in Debian Sid... it says it's now unmaintained and no longer compatible with default samba setup thus insecure |
| 16:38.18 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: unless anybody has put together a mapping between every RPM package you use and the corresponding debian package (assuming such a simple mapping even exists) then there is no automated method |
| 16:38.31 | Lantizia | thats better :)... anyone know what a good alternative is? |
| 16:38.55 | SerajewelKS | Lantizia: ssh? |
| 16:39.01 | nsadmin | normally you'd configure it by editing text files |
| 16:39.04 | Lantizia | a Web GUI |
| 16:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I think the tough thing would be mapping when Debian chooses a different package for a system purpose. |
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| 16:39.29 | Lantizia | lets not play the "I'm an elitist game" |
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| 16:39.46 | nsadmin | let's play the "that's what's available" game |
| 16:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: Editing text files isn't elitist. |
| 16:39.59 | Titan8990 | Lantizia: there is no games. debian historically neglects web interfaces for server administration |
| 16:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: Web configuration tools are generally insecure and unstable. |
| 16:40.12 | Titan8990 | !webmin |
| 16:40.13 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 16:40.19 | Lantizia | I know about webmin already |
| 16:40.24 | Lantizia | I think it's crap |
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| 16:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: Swat isn't, it's been around a long time and is well integrated with the samba doccumentation, but if it's not being maintained that's too bad. Offer to maintain it! |
| 16:40.41 | Titan8990 | Lantizia: and not in debian. you can view the above to see why |
| 16:40.48 | gregcoit | SerajewelKS: rgr: restarting cron appears to have fixed the problem - thanks!!! |
| 16:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: As far as I know there are no other interfaces that actually work. |
| 16:40.56 | SerajewelKS | gregcoit: np |
| 16:41.14 | nsadmin | is it maintained upstream? |
| 16:41.19 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: Some distros have configuration stubs in their GUI, but those are intended for clients, not servers. |
| 16:41.40 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro: ok webmin is bad... why? |
| 16:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | Lantizia: See the link above. |
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| 16:42.16 | nsadmin | Lantizia: you already said you think it's crap |
| 16:42.42 | SerajewelKS | Lantizia: in general, you are better off learning how to manage things with ssh because (1) ssh is secure, http is not (unless you are using https), (2) web guis tend to have security holes, (3) they usually limit your configuration options, (4) the developers cannot usually keep up with changes in the configuration options/format, and (5) they cannot realistically cater to how every distro does configuration |
| 16:42.43 | Lantizia | true but I'd still like to know the reason - I mean you access it on an SSL connection... how insecure can it be? |
| 16:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Lantizia: insecure might mean there are login exploits, or that the configurations produced are insecure, or any number of other things |
| 16:43.37 | Titan8990 | even with https... you can strip the ssl using sslstrip with a MITM attack |
| 16:43.43 | Lantizia | sure it _might_ ... but... any proof? |
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| 16:43.54 | Matic`M | How can I check which scripts from init.d do actualyl get executed at boot? |
| 16:43.58 | Lantizia | I only ever hear bad things about Webmin from Debian! |
| 16:43.59 | Titan8990 | Lantizia: other than its long history of exploits? |
| 16:44.06 | SerajewelKS | Lantizia: did you read my five points above? security is not even the primary concern. |
| 16:44.07 | Lantizia | never from any other distro |
| 16:44.13 | Titan8990 | Lantizia: sounds like you still haven't read that link |
| 16:44.18 | Raoni | hello got a little problem with qt4 all my fonts looks weird, in qt3 it looks fine http://omploader.org/vNDA1Mg I tried updating libqt4-core without success |
| 16:44.22 | Lantizia | I have, it's no longer maintained |
| 16:44.27 | nsadmin | Lantizia: you want us to prove something about a thing that's not maintained? |
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| 16:44.47 | SerajewelKS | Lantizia: if all you want to do is argue and not read, then we're not going to be very interested in continuing a discussion... |
| 16:44.58 | Raoni | any ideas ? |
| 16:45.04 | Ox90 | don't suppose anyone know the default block size used by mk2efs when run from the debian installer? |
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| 16:47.04 | Titan8990 | Ox90: If omitted, block-size is heuristically determined by the filesystem size and the expected usage of the filesystem (see the -T option). |
| 16:47.12 | Titan8990 | Ox90: that would be my guess |
| 16:47.51 | jelly | Ox90: also, there may be an /etc/mke2fs.conf |
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| 16:48.11 | nsadmin | during install? |
| 16:48.13 | Gnarfoz | mhhh anyone else using testing? php5-imagick seems to be quite outdated, as it depends on a phpapi version from 2006. :( What should one do in such a case? :\ |
| 16:48.14 | Ox90 | yeah, saw that. Was wondering about the performance of this raid controller since its been creating an ext3 filesystem for about 8 hours on a 3TB partition |
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| 16:48.53 | jelly | Gnarfoz: that phpapi-foo had been provided by php 5.2, I think |
| 16:49.25 | Gnarfoz | jelly: indeed, the availabiliy of an upgrade to php 5.3 is what made this show up |
| 16:49.50 | nsadmin | why upgrade to php-5.3? |
| 16:49.56 | jelly | !SNS |
| 16:49.56 | Gnarfoz | because it's available |
| 16:49.56 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 16:50.04 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 16:50.25 | nsadmin | does your app work in php-5.2? |
| 16:50.33 | Gnarfoz | I have no apps, really :) |
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| 16:50.53 | Gnarfoz | I guess you have a point, but this problem will stay, because php5-imagick apparently is without a maintainer |
| 16:51.09 | deb | hi all..i m trying to connect net in lan through ethernet i kept ip address and gateway same, is that any problem? |
| 16:51.34 | niklaswe | deb: nameserver |
| 16:51.35 | niklaswe | ? |
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| 16:51.59 | deb | niklaswe: you mean dns ?? |
| 16:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! What's the command to tell tar not to follow symlinks to other volumes? |
| 16:52.07 | niklaswe | deb: yea |
| 16:52.18 | deb | niklaswe: its different from that .. |
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| 16:52.55 | nsadmin | deb: why would it be a problem? |
| 16:53.12 | jelly | Ox90: if you don't really need a filesystem that large, I'd suggest splitting the space into a number of smaller fses |
| 16:53.13 | simonrvn | man tar ;) |
| 16:53.23 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt p |
| 16:53.36 | deb | i have connected in another system it got but while trying in other its not getting nsadmin |
| 16:53.41 | nsadmin | not p |
| 16:53.42 | nsadmin | l |
| 16:53.49 | jelly | Ox90: just like mkfs, fsck on large ext3fs takes a lot of time (and lots of RAM, too) |
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| 16:54.23 | jelly | Ox90: other options are - using xfs or ext4, if you're comfortable with those |
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| 16:54.45 | simonrvn | p is preserve attributes iirc |
| 16:54.58 | nsadmin | right, it's l not p |
| 16:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | l just prints a message if a link is not dumped. |
| 16:56.08 | nsadmin | l is no longer the same as --one-file-system? |
| 16:56.17 | simonrvn | man tar ;) |
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| 16:57.08 | little_soap | hi all |
| 16:57.08 | simonrvn | -l, --check-links print a message if not all links are dumped |
| 16:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Helpful to know to search for file-system rather than filesystem. |
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| 16:57.20 | simonrvn | --one-file-system |
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| 17:00.25 | simonrvn | it does, though less can do regexp |
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| 17:01.33 | MarGarina | Recently my ssh client (Deb Sid) behaves weird, and prevents logging in when my public key auth doesn't fail. If I run ssh -v, it seems to loop endlessly on trying to authenticate with the same key (id_dsa) instead of realizing it's wrong and fall back to password auth. Any idea? |
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| 17:02.05 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 17:02.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 17:02.19 | jkdsoft | Using aptitude in debian sid I've nothing to update since some days. Is that normal? |
| 17:02.23 | Titan8990 | MarGarina: other than not using sid and expecting it to work? |
| 17:02.29 | themill | jkdsoft: /topic |
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| 17:03.28 | MarGarina | Titan8990: I love sid. I just wanted to hear if people have similar experiences. BTS doesn't mention it. I'll dig through and see if it's really a bug |
| 17:03.35 | jkdsoft | thanks |
| 17:03.36 | MarGarina | (could be, for some reason, misconfiguration) |
| 17:03.40 | toofer | I'm totally about to cross post here. I apologize if I offend anyone. I'm wondering where the best place to put script to load firewall rules on startup would be? |
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| 17:03.56 | macrobat | what would be an easy tool to edit sound/music files? with cutting, mastering, fading |
| 17:04.17 | nsadmin | MarGarina: the first place any sid user should go to find out if others have similar problems is the bts |
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| 17:04.46 | Titan8990 | toofer: /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 17:05.05 | nsadmin | if you don't find anything, then you're the first, and you shoudl file the bug report |
| 17:05.18 | MarGarina | Titan8990, nsadmin: nothing in the bts, I went to here then. I think it's legitimate to ask sid questions in here. |
| 17:05.20 | themill | ,info audacity |
| 17:05.21 | judd | audacity (sound, optional): A fast, cross-platform audio editor. Version: 1.3.5-2+lenny1; Size: 3151.8k; Installed: 8692k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/audacity |
| 17:05.35 | MarGarina | I aim to improve Debian by testing sid, I don't see what's wrong with that. |
| 17:05.44 | themill | macrobat: ^^ |
| 17:06.08 | nsadmin | nothing wrong with that, what's wrong is that you ask people before you query the bts |
| 17:06.13 | macrobat | oh, there is even scrots now :) |
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| 17:06.38 | themill | macrobat: yeah, I realised it was in the database so it may as well appear in judd's output :) |
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| 17:07.10 | simonrvn | wow, the topic got updated? |
| 17:07.30 | jelly | with what? |
| 17:08.12 | themill | simonrvn: hours ago! get with it!! |
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| 17:08.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:08.13 | simonrvn | 'no updates? /msg dpkg ries |' |
| 17:08.13 | dvs | it still has etch in it |
| 17:08.13 | jelly | oh |
| 17:08.16 | simonrvn | dvs: yeh etch->lenny |
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| 17:08.24 | jelly | doesn't do updates very often |
| 17:08.58 | dvs | simonrvn: 4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch |
| 17:08.59 | MartyD | is it possible to start the gnome file manager in admin mode? |
| 17:09.05 | Gnarfoz | sigh, interdependencies... can't find a way to NOT have php5-imagick broken :( |
| 17:09.06 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 17:09.08 | Gijs | Hey all |
| 17:09.17 | Gijs | how to watch traffic usage? |
| 17:09.19 | jelly | dvs: and it's not even supported any more!!1 |
| 17:09.28 | dvs | jelly: exactly!!! |
| 17:09.34 | jelly | Gijs: tcpdump? ntop? iptraf? |
| 17:09.59 | themill | dvs: there will be one more point release for etch RSN. |
| 17:10.00 | Gijs | holy hell |
| 17:10.10 | Titan8990 | jelly: you leaving out iftop |
| 17:10.19 | Gijs | and something you can see the top processes wich are using traffic? |
| 17:10.25 | Gijs | so like htop but then for traffic |
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| 17:12.33 | toofer | Gijs: iptraf will show you the ports and protocol. From that you should be able to determine which application that is. |
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| 17:13.21 | simonrvn | Gnarfoz: i noticed that too; i got -dev stuff and built it via pecl. you can use dh-make-php if you want a deb |
| 17:13.57 | kryl | bye |
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| 17:14.08 | Gnarfoz | simonrvn: half of that doesn't mean anything to me, sadly :D |
| 17:14.39 | simonrvn | apt-cache showsrc php5-imagick |
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| 17:17.37 | Gijs | toofer iptraf shows it strange |
| 17:17.42 | Gijs | is there something else like that? |
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| 17:19.41 | d0uglas | my isp will give me a vps setup with Debian offering a choice of 32 or 64 bits for the same price. Is there any reason I wouldn't want the 64? |
| 17:19.42 | toofer | refers Gijs back to the suggestion from jelly: tcpdump? ntop? iptraf? |
| 17:19.46 | toofer | and iftop |
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| 17:21.11 | nsadmin | d0uglas: the only issue that's been ongoing is trying to get binary-only stuff to work |
| 17:21.40 | d0uglas | specific to Debian? |
| 17:21.53 | nsadmin | I'd say nonspecific |
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| 17:22.46 | nsadmin | as long as you install from packages you'll be fine... |
| 17:23.33 | ponyofdeath | Anyone know if debian squeeze has an suitable dom0 kernel? Do I have to comile the xen.org 2.6.18 kernel to be able to use squeeze as an dom0? |
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| 17:24.01 | Titan8990 | the .18 sounds like the RHEL kernel |
| 17:24.06 | d0uglas | So if I compile something it would work better on a 32 bit arragenent however anything through apt would be as good or better on a 64 bit environment |
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| 17:24.25 | nsadmin | compiling should work |
| 17:24.34 | d0uglas | I meant running something I compiled |
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| 17:24.58 | Gijs | what is: afs3-fileserver ? |
| 17:25.08 | nsadmin | what's less likely to work is if you try running something not compiled on that machine or comes from a package |
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| 17:25.32 | d0uglas | from a package that didn't come from apt.. ? |
| 17:25.37 | d0uglas | debian archives |
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| 17:26.18 | d0uglas | I think that's all I needed to know on this. Thanks a lot nsadmin. |
| 17:26.26 | nsadmin | let's get specific :P what package is it, what version of debian they going to put on the vserver, |
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| 17:26.39 | macrobat | skype wants 32bit i think |
| 17:26.43 | nsadmin | and what version of debian does the package come from? |
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| 17:27.23 | funky | has been sid freezed or something? i dont remember since the last time i upgraded the system |
| 17:27.37 | nsadmin | funky /topic |
| 17:27.37 | funky | now, every aptitude update says that there are no updates |
| 17:27.38 | d0uglas | I get to take my pick of any OS (I've always been partial to testing) and this is just a simple LAMP thing just to pump out web pages, I'm not trying to break the records on calculating the most digits of Pi |
| 17:27.41 | funky | wops |
| 17:27.58 | funky | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 17:29.11 | nsadmin | if you're writing the app you should consider postgres |
| 17:29.30 | Gijs | isn't there a better traffic top? |
| 17:29.52 | nsadmin | Gijs browse on packages.debian.org |
| 17:30.07 | SerajewelKS | Gijs: iftop? |
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| 17:30.45 | nsadmin | Gijs the one you write? |
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| 17:32.27 | Gijs | i just need a list of processes |
| 17:32.30 | Gijs | with the top |
| 17:32.40 | Gijs | so i can see wich PROCESS is using the mosth traffic |
| 17:32.49 | Gijs | if i can remember myself good there was something with monitor? |
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| 17:32.58 | nsadmin | Gijs browse on packages.debian.org |
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| 17:34.02 | Gijs | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=monitor&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 17:34.06 | Gijs | lol so much monitors |
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| 17:35.33 | cps0 | hi all, there si someone here that used samba x windows 2008 r2 ? |
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| 17:35.37 | cps0 | there is |
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| 17:36.41 | Titan8990 | cps0: try rephrasing the question in a manor that makes sense |
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| 17:39.45 | cps0 | Titan8990, ok |
| 17:39.49 | Gijs | is it possible to scan a IP |
| 17:39.57 | Gijs | so if i do a command and enter the IP |
| 17:40.04 | Gijs | it tells me if that IP using a process |
| 17:40.06 | Titan8990 | Gijs: scan it for what? |
| 17:40.07 | cps0 | i have a samba pdc and a windows 2008 r2 server as a client |
| 17:40.10 | Gijs | using i mean connected |
| 17:40.12 | toofer | Gijs: man nmap |
| 17:40.34 | cps0 | when transfer between both starts it is very slow, 4 MB/s at most, in a Gibabit ethernet network |
| 17:40.43 | Titan8990 | cps0: assuming PDC = primary domain controller, SAMBA is not an implementation of LDAP |
| 17:40.50 | macrobat | Gijs: there is zenmap for a gui around it |
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| 17:41.23 | cps0 | Titan8990, I know, but windows 2008 r2 was already joint to the domain using samba >= 3.4.x |
| 17:41.27 | toofer | Gijs: you want to be able to monitor network traffic based on application(port). To me that would mean using iptraf, or implementing SNMP monitoring with Nagios. |
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| 17:41.41 | cps0 | the problem I see is related to network file transfer that is very slow |
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| 17:42.04 | cps0 | the same do not happens when I ssh between the servers using winscp in windows 2008 r2 |
| 17:42.26 | toofer | Gijs: I don't know of any tools that will provide a PID for the TCP/UDP connection, unless you just do netstat -anp |
| 17:42.48 | Gijs | or just the port |
| 17:42.48 | karlpinc | Gijs: lsof ? |
| 17:42.53 | Gijs | to see where it is connected to |
| 17:42.59 | Titan8990 | judd: versions samba |
| 17:43.00 | judd | samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny9; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.5.1~dfsg-1 |
| 17:43.12 | vezult | regarding sbcl on debian, how do I get it to load modules in /usr/lib/sbcl/site-packages? |
| 17:43.20 | jhutchins_lt | --one-file-system still wanted to back up a mounted share. |
| 17:43.26 | Titan8990 | cps0: your running testing/unstable on a production server? |
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| 17:43.47 | jhutchins_lt | ...so I unmounted it. |
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| 17:44.01 | vezult | currently I just get an error whenever I try to require a package from there. ASDF is installed... |
| 17:44.15 | cps0 | Titan8990, it is for a test |
| 17:44.30 | cps0 | i'm using servnet deb packages |
| 17:44.31 | mmestnik | Hello, does any one know how to put acctual LF(s) into the commands run? ALA: |
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| 17:44.38 | mmestnik | http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.make.windows/2003-02/msg00013.html |
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| 17:44.42 | Titan8990 | cps0: #samba |
| 17:44.50 | mmestnik | ...For GNU Make? |
| 17:45.00 | bekir | hi i have a question about apt |
| 17:45.22 | nsadmin | !apt |
| 17:45.22 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 17:45.24 | bekir | i am tryin to auto update security updates |
| 17:45.29 | cps0 | Titan8990, seems that anyone is alive there, but thanks anyway. |
| 17:45.44 | Titan8990 | cps0: I am sure they also have a mailing list |
| 17:45.56 | bekir | an found unattended-upgrade to do that |
| 17:46.08 | Titan8990 | bekir: nearly all the upgrades are security upgrades outside or point releases |
| 17:46.17 | Titan8990 | s/or/of |
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| 17:46.25 | anisfarhana | beep beep :) |
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| 17:46.26 | anisfarhana | hello all |
| 17:46.44 | anisfarhana | what is the easiest and simple mail i can install in debian ? |
| 17:46.46 | themill | dpkg: tell bekir about cron-apt |
| 17:46.56 | mmestnik | http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.make.windows/2003-02/msg00013.html |
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| 17:47.20 | bekir | Titan8990: you are right but security updates are safe enough to do automatically |
| 17:47.29 | nsadmin | anisfarhana browse on packages.debian.org |
| 17:47.54 | bekir | sometimes the could be conf updates or functional changes in updates |
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| 17:49.34 | anisfarhana | uh oh :/ |
| 17:49.34 | Titan8990 | bekir: shouldn't be if your running stable |
| 17:49.35 | anisfarhana | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 17:49.38 | anisfarhana | what is this ? |
| 17:49.41 | Titan8990 | bekir: only on point releases |
| 17:50.28 | Titan8990 | bekir: also, running stable should guaruntee there will not be any API or ABI changes |
| 17:50.28 | nsadmin | anisfarhana what wre you doing at the time |
| 17:50.30 | mmestnik | ne1 know where I can find some GNU make experts? |
| 17:50.42 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: apt-get install squirrelmail |
| 17:50.48 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: and i got that |
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| 17:51.04 | nsadmin | how much ram you got? |
| 17:51.09 | asdf | grumbles |
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| 17:51.31 | Gijs | i am sorry |
| 17:51.39 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: Mem 196608 |
| 17:51.54 | Gijs | but can anybody just tell me a good process to see processes and their using port or anything |
| 17:51.56 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: pastebin the full output |
| 17:51.58 | Gijs | it was something with monitor |
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| 17:52.21 | Titan8990 | Gijs: didn't someone suggest man nmap long ago? |
| 17:52.34 | anisfarhana | Titan8990 / nsadmin : http://pastebin.ws/4b7r9b |
| 17:52.41 | Gijs | wich options for nmap? |
| 17:52.48 | Titan8990 | Gijs: you can't see the process, period. what nmap can do is try to identify the service using the TCP fingerprint, best you will do |
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| 17:53.19 | Titan8990 | Gijs: sorry... os detection is via tcp fingerprint, the services is likely just a lookup on /etc/services |
| 17:53.19 | bekir | what i want to dois this: i want to do unattended updates, but i want apt to upgrade only from security upgrades, not the other repos |
| 17:53.27 | Gijs | and something like uhhm |
| 17:53.32 | mmestnik | Hello, Does any one know how to get Acctual Line Feeds into the Commands run by GNU Make? |
| 17:53.36 | Gijs | scanning traffic by port? |
| 17:53.40 | Gijs | so IP:port |
| 17:54.05 | Titan8990 | Gijs: your not scanning "traffic"... that would require a MITM attack against the target |
| 17:54.20 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: lack of RAM ? |
| 17:54.37 | nsadmin | mmestnik: depends on what editor you're using |
| 17:55.10 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: what version of debian is this? |
| 17:55.25 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: it's lenny sir |
| 17:55.30 | Gijs | then just the top traffic where you can see the using port |
| 17:55.40 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: is this a VPS? |
| 17:55.46 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: yes sir |
| 17:56.15 | Titan8990 | Gijs: netstat -ln | grep <port> |
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| 17:56.40 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:56.44 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: i want something like squirrelmail on it , or similar with that |
| 17:56.54 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: 2.6.18-164.10.1.el5.028stab067.4 |
| 17:57.04 | Titan8990 | ewww, openvz.... |
| 17:57.25 | anisfarhana | nods her head |
| 17:57.37 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: I would take that up with your hosting provider. To me, that looks like a hardware issue but can easily be an problem with the kernel |
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| 17:57.57 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: but i have no problem with it before , i have done php wordpress and mysql on it |
| 17:58.05 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: my first VPS was on openvz, and myself or the hosting provider could never get the thing to work properly with the kernel of the host |
| 17:58.31 | ponyofdeath | hi guys i just compiled an custom kernel 2.6.18 and copied to /boot then did update-grub after which i get vmlinuz invalid majic nubmer when i try to boot it. any help please? |
| 17:58.45 | jhutchins_lt | When running the network installe CD, do you have to select anything other than "Install"? |
| 17:58.47 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: can you recommend me any web-ui email like squirrelmail to be install on that ? |
| 17:59.11 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: instead of fixing the problem with apt? no |
| 17:59.12 | Gijs | Titan8990 i need a Top list like htop |
| 17:59.20 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: are you still using etch? |
| 17:59.32 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: i'm going to reboot it and see my luck |
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| 17:59.52 | Titan8990 | anisfarhana: it is possible that it isn't enough RAM.. try to clear some up and try. If that does not do, I would really be looking at hardware or kernel issues |
| 18:00.04 | Titan8990 | Gijs: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:00.13 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: no i am using squeeze |
| 18:00.16 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: thank you for your advise sir , really appreciate |
| 18:00.17 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: grub2 |
| 18:00.19 | Gijs | oke |
| 18:00.21 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: thank you sir |
| 18:00.28 | Gijs | i got really high traffic usage |
| 18:00.29 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: so why a .18 kernel ? |
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| 18:00.36 | Gijs | and i want to see wich process is using so much traffic |
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| 18:00.40 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: its the xen kernel |
| 18:00.48 | jfb | hi everybody |
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| 18:01.07 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: compiled from source since squeeze does not have an xen dom0 kernel yet |
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| 18:01.23 | abrotman | i thought they'd just added that back in ? |
| 18:01.43 | jfb | 20h00 in France, and weather's cold.. brrr... fucking weather.. |
| 18:01.50 | anoobisa | Hi debian friends what is the usual method to detect ones hardware? dmesg? and how would I go about finding my wlan card? it is a lenovo s10-2 netbook! |
| 18:01.50 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: the xen kernel? what is the package i did not see it |
| 18:02.14 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 is what the wiki says but didnt not see it in squeeze |
| 18:02.20 | abrotman | i thought they were putting it in the regular kernel ? |
| 18:02.24 | abrotman | might be totally wrong |
| 18:02.34 | ponyofdeath | ohh |
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| 18:02.49 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: how can i check cat the config.gz |
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| 18:03.03 | abrotman | sure |
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| 18:03.44 | jfb | my question is : is anybody here have stillready tested alfresco on Lenny? thanks |
| 18:03.49 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: ahh cool i see some xen stuff in there i guess i will give it a go |
| 18:03.52 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:04.20 | jfb | and excuse my english ;) |
| 18:04.29 | jfb | please |
| 18:04.36 | jfb | :) |
| 18:04.36 | anoobisa | how do I find my wlan device? |
| 18:04.51 | Gijs | Titan8990? |
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| 18:05.43 | anoobisa | lspci did the job |
| 18:05.45 | jfb | annobisa: try ifup wlan0 or wlan1 or.; etc. etc. and see what tail -f /var/log/syslog tells you |
| 18:05.46 | anoobisa | thanks |
| 18:06.29 | jfb | dmesg | more is good too, and what Gijs said is good too |
| 18:06.46 | Gijs | what/ |
| 18:06.46 | anoobisa | jfb alfresco works great out of the box on lenny |
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| 18:07.13 | anoobisa | jfb I got it running out of the box without any issues |
| 18:07.36 | anisfarhana | Titan8990: a reboot solved it!! |
| 18:07.50 | jfb | anoobisa: really? thanks! no problem with mysql, cause i saw some people used to work with postgre? |
| 18:08.21 | jhutchins_lt | Oh frack. Just remembered that shutdown -h now on an ltsp konsole shuts down the frickin' server! |
| 18:08.24 | anoobisa | jfb I got it running in production on more then 10 vms with mysql |
| 18:08.32 | anoobisa | jfb what version |
| 18:08.44 | Gijs | jfb what can i see with dmesg | more ? |
| 18:09.31 | jfb | anoobisa: thank you very much! do you think we could spend some times later (in a few days) to speak about this? |
| 18:09.57 | anoobisa | jfb I am actually running it with none of the debian packages! |
| 18:10.52 | anoobisa | jfb my setup is a blank tomcat6 from apache.org and the latest alfresco.war file community edition |
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| 18:11.06 | anoobisa | all routed through apache2 with mod_jk |
| 18:11.20 | jfb | Gijs: you see all the messages from the kernal at boot time, it's fine to debug. the | more option is to have the page by page on screen, typing the space bar will make it scroll, but you know that i think |
| 18:12.01 | anoobisa | jfb you are lucky I was just in the room I usually come here once every 3 months |
| 18:12.02 | Gijs | but do i need that for traffic? |
| 18:12.13 | Gijs | i just need to know what process is using so much traffic |
| 18:12.26 | macrobat | anoobisa: i was thinking about buying a lenovo s10-2. http://www.linlap.com/ says everything works |
| 18:12.54 | jfb | anoobisa: yes i'll try the community, that's my goal. actually i got in production egroupware on lenny. working fine |
| 18:12.55 | anoobisa | macrobat they are great, i got the one with 720 resolution |
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| 18:13.46 | macrobat | :) |
| 18:13.59 | anoobisa | jfb webapplications are not really a big problem on lenny |
| 18:14.06 | anoobisa | nor were they on etch |
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| 18:14.54 | anoobisa | jfb with the right jvm settings you can make alfresco fly on lenny |
| 18:15.20 | jfb | Gijs: so try the standard commands, like : ps -afx or top to identify your process? this is not the same thing. in first with dmesg, we identify the hardware |
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| 18:15.53 | anoobisa | macrobat thanks for the link looks good |
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| 18:17.03 | jfb | anoobisa: i agree! :) but i started egroupware with potato and it was fine..etch was better...lenny great! :) and the worst i have to do was jakarta on redhat9 in 2003... bbrrrr... |
| 18:18.24 | jfb | and in 1998 with slackware 3/4, redhat 5, "toute une รฉpoque" (don't know in english) |
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| 18:20.39 | jfb | you want to know my last problem? terrific! hardware dead on PROLIANT ML110G5!! my groupware was on it!! fucking fajeraid!! |
| 18:21.39 | jfb | sata disk are only warranted for 1 year! and, boizarre, 1year and 1 month..PAF!! the disk crashed!! gggrrrrr |
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| 18:23.30 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 18:24.55 | johnfg | Don't know if anyone remembers this from the other day, concerning the administrative password for mysql. |
| 18:25.03 | jfb | anoobisa: i'mm be back to talk about that, i'm very interesting by your feedback thank you very much! :) where are you livin? |
| 18:25.21 | johnfg | Well, the problem did arise, and even though I worked around it, here's the real fix. |
| 18:25.32 | jfb | USA? |
| 18:26.02 | jfb | EGYPT? |
| 18:26.04 | jfb | :) |
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| 18:26.42 | Gijs | dam |
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| 18:26.47 | lilib | hi |
| 18:26.47 | Gijs | what was that command for the traffic? |
| 18:26.48 | johnfg | First, one needs to read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/Readme.Debian; second, if that administrative password has been changed, one needs to change what's in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf. |
| 18:26.50 | Gijs | something with lof |
| 18:26.55 | puff | Hey... does amavis log anywhere besides /var/log/mail.og? |
| 18:26.56 | lilib | i finaly bough new 2.5''hdd |
| 18:27.16 | ewook | johnfg: yes, that is correct. |
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| 18:27.24 | Gijs | ahh got it |
| 18:27.43 | johnfg | ewook: Where were you when I asked about this the other day? :)\ |
| 18:27.46 | puff | Mail isn't getting through, I'm getting "connection refused" from 127.0.0.1 in mail.log. http://postfix.pastebin.com/f9X7NukT |
| 18:28.01 | lilib | how i found that my usb is /dev/sda1 and containts cd.iso of debian netinstall how to mount it as cd-rom drive |
| 18:28.03 | lilib | ? |
| 18:28.16 | johnfg | Question: How do I get a new 'encrypted password' into the debian.cnf? |
| 18:28.27 | lilib | i would like to perform cd-rom less installation directly from usb only |
| 18:28.28 | puff | And the guys on #postfix are no help. :-( |
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| 18:28.55 | ewook | johnfg: prolly where I am right now, at work- working :P |
| 18:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | ... and with the format of the root partition complete, the last of my Mandriva installs is gone and the installer is rolling on another new Debian system! |
| 18:29.05 | wols | !tell lilib about iso mount |
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| 18:29.24 | johnfg | I can't just copy it from the mysql database in its encrypted form, right? |
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| 18:30.18 | lilib | wols> yes, thank you |
| 18:30.28 | lilib | good boy ...ehh trigger |
| 18:30.28 | lilib | :) |
| 18:30.29 | wols | puff: is amavisd listening? |
| 18:30.49 | Titan8990 | !tell johnfg about debian-sys-maint |
| 18:31.19 | Titan8990 | johnfg: that could be what your looking for |
| 18:31.50 | ewook | puff: recheck ALL your entries for smtpd_data_restriction and smtpd_recipient_restrictions. follow the mailflow with a pencil or something :) |
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| 18:32.05 | johnfg | Titan8990: Yup, looks like that's one way. But isn't there a cli command for encrypting passwords? |
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| 18:32.58 | ewook | puff: a hint - go permit_mynetworks before all rejects. |
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| 18:34.13 | jfb | puff: did you modified firewall rules? cause 127.0.0.1 is the loopback, and if connection refused? .... don't know? perhaps an idea? |
| 18:34.25 | puff | http://postfix.pastebin.com/PrRwLHAV |
| 18:34.36 | Gijs | so is there any easy way to detect wich process is using so much traffic? |
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| 18:35.03 | ewook | Gijs: netstat to see what is using multiple connections |
| 18:36.09 | jfb | Gijs: network traffic? so install iptraf and see the output? install sar to see the I/O and the rest? it will give you elements |
| 18:36.30 | puff | Strictly speaking, I didn't modify anything myself, and auth.log doesn't show any of the other authorized sudo users doing anything in the time span. |
| 18:36.38 | wols | Gijs: iptraf |
| 18:36.49 | johnfg | Titan8990: Do you know what script it's talking about when it says, there is a script to fix it bundled with mysql. |
| 18:36.59 | jfb | Gijs: ewook is right! netstat -an | more will give you informations |
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| 18:37.08 | puff | wols amavis appears to be listening: http://postfix.pastebin.com/PrRwLHAV |
| 18:37.18 | poisonbit | -anp to see PIDs (as root) |
| 18:37.48 | poisonbit | puff, did you see the (Cannot allocate memory) at mail.err.0 ? |
| 18:38.01 | poisonbit | maybe that is (one) problem |
| 18:38.04 | puff | poisonbit: Yes, that's why I posted it. |
| 18:38.21 | poisonbit | Is it trying to open a file too big for your ram ? |
| 18:38.22 | puff | poisonbit: I restarted postfix, restarted amavis, restarted clamav (which is currently chewing up 30% of my CPU and 10% of my memory), did postfix flush... |
| 18:38.38 | poisonbit | most of the perl code use to slurp files, instead of mmap |
| 18:38.40 | puff | poisonbit: Hm, good question... how would I check on this? |
| 18:38.56 | poisonbit | if the file is 2G and you have 1G... |
| 18:39.07 | anoobisa | jfb I am in Germany |
| 18:39.10 | puff | Yeah, good point. Back around the turn of the year, I migrated from a colo to a virtual server... memory is defintiely tighter. |
| 18:39.28 | puff | I wish I could have an upstream MTA that would do all the RBL and clamav and spamassassin stuff for me, sigh. |
| 18:39.33 | poisonbit | err I don't use posix (always exim or qmail), but find can find files by size |
| 18:40.20 | poisonbit | if you search for thesub check_mail() in the perl code, you will see which files |
| 18:40.33 | nsadmin | postfix? |
| 18:40.36 | puff | Yes. |
| 18:40.46 | puff | nsadmin: He meant postfix. |
| 18:41.08 | poisonbit | yes |
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| 18:42.21 | johnfg | Do you know what script generates the debian.cnf file for mysql-server? |
| 18:42.42 | puff | Geez that's a long subroutine, 931 lines. |
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| 18:43.23 | poisonbit | johnfg, it should be in mysql-common... maybe in DEBIAN/postinst or preinst |
| 18:43.24 | Titan8990 | johnfg: If I had to guess, the postinst of mysql-server |
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| 18:44.00 | poisonbit | hehe dpkg -S /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ? |
| 18:44.01 | puff | Okay, clue that your subroutine is too long: you have a $which_section variable to keep track of what section of the subroutine you're in. |
| 18:44.51 | nsadmin | the sections should be factored |
| 18:44.53 | Titan8990 | poisonbit: if its actually generated, that won't do any good. I already checked with apt-file |
| 18:44.57 | jfb | anoobisa: ich weiss deutsch um zu sprechen :) aber es ist a long time ich habe nicht sprochen!! :) wo es it? (ouhlala..es ist hard..) :) |
| 18:45.21 | jfb | nein!! wie get es dir? :) yahouu!!! |
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| 18:45.40 | puff | poisonbit: Looks like it's this line: Amavis::Unpackers::decompose_mail($tempdir,$file_generator_object); |
| 18:46.03 | puff | Okay, so leaving aside that for a moment, the error hasn't _reoccurred_ since 6am yesterday. |
| 18:46.09 | puff | But mail is still not getting through. |
| 18:46.17 | puff | I presume it's all sitting in a postfix queue, somewhere. |
| 18:46.36 | anoobisa | jfb way south close to the swiz border |
| 18:46.56 | anoobisa | jfb where are you form? france |
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| 18:48.05 | anoobisa | wlan drivers seem to be installed but how do I get a connection with my router? |
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| 18:48.30 | puff | I guess what I really need to do is figure out which incoming message is causing the problem, and delete that. |
| 18:48.43 | johnfg | Yup, it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst. |
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| 18:49.06 | poisonbit | puff, find / -size +1024M maybe? |
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| 18:49.11 | marcin | Does anyone here use php 5.3.2 from dotdeb? I've used php 5.3.1 with Apache2 and with mod-fastcgi. Everything works well. After upgrade, as a output at the site I've No input file specified. Downgrade to previous solves the problem. But what's wrong? Where should I look? |
| 18:49.35 | wols | !dotdeb |
| 18:49.35 | dpkg | i guess dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 18:50.29 | nsadmin | marcin: any reason you can't use the php packaged from debian itself? |
| 18:51.03 | johnfg | So, to reconfigure, I'd just run: 'dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.0'? |
| 18:51.10 | simonrvn | thought it might be sns, but it seems not |
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| 18:51.52 | marcin | nsadmin: Does Debian packages are in version 5.3.x? |
| 18:51.55 | jfb | anoobisa: yes, france |
| 18:52.22 | johnfg | Was that the right syntax for the dpkg command? |
| 18:52.23 | Titan8990 | !dotdeb |
| 18:52.23 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 18:52.28 | anoobisa | jfb your ouhlala gave your location away :-) |
| 18:52.42 | Titan8990 | marcin: take note of the "ON YOUR OWN" |
| 18:52.47 | jfb | yes :) lol |
| 18:52.57 | jfb | i know |
| 18:53.28 | anoobisa | jfb do you know how to install wlan on debian |
| 18:53.45 | Titan8990 | !wlan |
| 18:53.45 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:53.45 | jfb | anoobisa: yes i did it on my laptop |
| 18:54.19 | anoobisa | thanks Titan8990 i have my driver installed but what's next |
| 18:54.21 | abrotman | marcin: those packages from dotdeb are known to be very buggy |
| 18:54.25 | anoobisa | how do I use it |
| 18:54.44 | poisonbit | this dpkg is like the debianpedia |
| 18:54.54 | jfb | anoobisa: install the wicd package |
| 18:55.05 | jfb | and dependancies |
| 18:55.09 | Titan8990 | anoobisa: use network-manager or wicd from backports |
| 18:55.26 | anoobisa | Titan8990 I think I have to use wl |
| 18:55.33 | puff | poisonbit: Ah, mail started flowing, guess it took a while to catch up. |
| 18:55.42 | jfb | Titan8990: it seems we have the same ideas ;) |
| 18:55.47 | anoobisa | I have a Broadcom device |
| 18:55.48 | puff | poisonbit: Thisis quite disconcerting, though, you'd think I'd get some more warning.... |
| 18:55.57 | Titan8990 | anoobisa: you just said you were passed the driver part.... |
| 18:55.59 | Titan8990 | !wl |
| 18:56.00 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 18:56.08 | puff | poisonbit: At pone point in time, I had a cron jhob sending me an email every how, so i'd know if something went wrong :-( |
| 18:56.38 | poisonbit | puff, maybe trying to increase loglevel of the used daemons... |
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| 18:56.47 | johnfg | After running, 'dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.0', I get this error: 'package mysql-server-5.0 already installed and configured.' |
| 18:56.52 | poisonbit | or using monit or something like |
| 18:56.54 | anoobisa | Titan8990 i have uses the broadcom-sta-common |
| 18:56.57 | Titan8990 | johnfg: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:57.45 | johnfg | Titan8990: Ok, thanks. That didn't come up when I read the dpkg man page. |
| 18:57.47 | Titan8990 | anoobisa: follow the guide in for wl on the wiki, which includes links for configuring wireless after the driver is installed |
| 18:58.03 | Titan8990 | johnfg: it has its own manpage |
| 18:58.19 | Titan8990 | johnfg: it is mentioned in the see-also section |
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| 18:59.13 | nsadmin | johnfg: dpkg-reconfigure is a separate executable. policy dictates it would have its own man page |
| 18:59.38 | johnfg | Why wasn't dpkg-reconfigure able to stop mysqld? |
| 19:00.07 | johnfg | It won't stop with invoke-rc.d mysql stop, either. |
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| 19:00.50 | nsadmin | that sounds like a bug |
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| 19:01.02 | anoobisa | Titan8990 ahhh thanks it is building the module now |
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| 19:01.24 | nsadmin | or maybe you yhave the wrong name... ls /etc/init.d/*mysql* |
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| 19:02.38 | johnfg | nsadmin: There's also, besides the mysql, mysql-ndb and mysql-ndb-mgm. |
| 19:02.59 | ponyofdeath | so when i try to start xend i get an error about cant find hypervisor information in sysfs http://pastebin.com/2qNfp7Rq. can someone please help. |
| 19:03.05 | nsadmin | no idea what those are for |
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| 19:03.21 | cognitiaclaeves | anyone here use munin? I'm not seeing it put links on the page for the server, but I'm only seeing this on Etch nodes, not lenny nodes. |
| 19:04.27 | anoobisa | jkf I am gone now |
| 19:04.44 | anoobisa | jfb I am going now |
| 19:05.15 | anoobisa | jfb I might look back in tomorrow so i can help you out with Alfresco if you want |
| 19:05.18 | johnfg | Any other ideas? The other 2 programs stopped, I was thinking they were the holdup, but I still can't stop mysqld. |
| 19:05.57 | jfb | anoobisa: do the same, going to eat and see what happened. ok for tomorrow, same hour? |
| 19:06.19 | jfb | 20h00? |
| 19:06.23 | anoobisa | jfb can't promise anything |
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| 19:06.39 | anoobisa | jfb got an email i can reach you at? |
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| 19:06.46 | jfb | anoobisa: no problem, the same for me..i'me not alone ;) |
| 19:07.26 | anoobisa | jfb it does work great if you do not use the tomcat from deb repositories |
| 19:07.35 | anoobisa | cheers bye |
| 19:07.36 | jfb | yes anoobisa: we'll see tomorrow or another day... |
| 19:07.46 | jfb | cheers |
| 19:07.48 | jfb | bye |
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| 19:11.43 | poisonbit | If I would like DNS resolution of a server, but I don't want to install bind or djbdns in this server... do I've any recomendable alternative to something like pdnsd ? |
| 19:12.16 | Titan8990 | poisonbit: hosts files or avahi |
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| 19:12.24 | poisonbit | I would like to _improve_, sorry |
| 19:12.38 | Titan8990 | improve from what? |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | poisonbit: you can do it with nmbd if it's internal |
| 19:12.50 | Titan8990 | , info nmbd |
| 19:12.51 | judd | No record of package 'nmbd' in lenny/i386. |
| 19:12.52 | poisonbit | internal ? |
| 19:13.20 | Titan8990 | abrotman: don't tell me thats netbios.... |
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| 19:13.47 | poisonbit | Titan8990, now it has the LAN (100mbps) DNS server, but this machine does lot of log/hostname parsings from cron |
| 19:14.14 | abrotman | he didn't say it was external, it's an option |
| 19:14.30 | Titan8990 | its a chatty microsoft option |
| 19:14.37 | poisonbit | hehe |
| 19:14.53 | Titan8990 | poisonbit: I am confused on the scenerio now |
| 19:15.06 | Titan8990 | you already have an internal nameserver? |
| 19:15.11 | poisonbit | yup |
| 19:15.25 | poisonbit | we have more than one internal nameserver |
| 19:15.47 | Titan8990 | where does the problem resolving that server's name come in to play? |
| 19:16.04 | poisonbit | I've detected lot of DNS traffic at cron hours |
| 19:16.24 | poisonbit | and the DNS is a microsoft (chatty) DNS |
| 19:16.33 | poisonbit | in this vlan |
| 19:16.39 | poisonbit | and the service degrades |
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| 19:16.57 | poisonbit | latency goes bigger |
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| 19:17.10 | poisonbit | so I'm going to install some DNS proxy, cache, whatever |
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| 19:17.25 | poisonbit | I was looking at pdnsd package |
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| 19:18.26 | abrotman | poisonbit: what's wrong with having the linux boxes use nmbd ? |
| 19:19.26 | poisonbit | does it resolve fqdn from WAN? |
| 19:19.50 | poisonbit | I don't know it too much |
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| 19:25.47 | poisonbit | I've better latency to 8.8.8.8 (0m0.217s) that to this LAN DNS server (0m0.417s)... hugly... and I said it to the MS sysadmin months ago :.( |
| 19:26.58 | abrotman | poisonbit: i thought you were trying to resolve internal servers from internal machines |
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| 19:27.22 | poisonbit | abrotman, no sorry, is for parsing logs, etc |
| 19:27.23 | CooPs89 | hello I'm trying to enable active FTP in iptables |
| 19:27.33 | CooPs89 | iptables -A INPUT -m helper --helper ftp -j ACCEPT |
| 19:27.35 | CooPs89 | gives me |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | CooPs89: #netfilter |
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| 19:27.57 | poisonbit | CooPs89, I use to use conntrack instead of helpers |
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| 19:29.00 | simonrvn | nmbd is part of samba ... |
| 19:29.18 | poisonbit | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ftp.ko |
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| 19:32.54 | poisonbit | you can mix boot modules and multiport too: -p tcp -m multiport --dports ftp,ftp-data -m conntrack --ctstate NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED -m helper --helper ftp -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:34.19 | poisonbit | or if you don't like conntrack, use -m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED (and you need both ports --dports 21,20 |
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| 19:34.45 | lilib | hi again |
| 19:34.54 | Titan8990 | !ftp must die |
| 19:34.54 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 19:34.59 | poisonbit | yeah! |
| 19:35.00 | lilib | i am partitioning disk |
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| 19:35.24 | poisonbit | and more since chrootDirectory magic in scp-only ssh (lenny) |
| 19:35.48 | lilib | how mount option i should check if i need stable system protected against unwanted accidental eletric power crashes |
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| 19:36.08 | lilib | the most autorecoverable system |
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| 19:36.43 | poisonbit | uf... you can use the slow sync (detaults is async).. but I've never had problems with async and power loose, since over 10/12 years... |
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| 19:38.12 | poisonbit | lilib, ext3 defaults and good hardware are fine nowdays |
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| 19:38.38 | poisonbit | do you've raid? |
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| 19:39.22 | lilib | no |
| 19:39.27 | poisonbit | "the most autorecoverable system" will turn "only human recoverable" if it's not at least a raid1 or a network replica |
| 19:39.53 | sashi- | hey with AFP services, how can i add shares? |
| 19:40.27 | lilib | isnt better ext2 then? |
| 19:40.46 | lilib | which is less sensitive to crashes in maneur that system don't lock it |
| 19:41.09 | poisonbit | ext2 gived me problems years ago, ext3 never have giveme problem with power looses |
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| 19:41.32 | poisonbit | but I don't know which's better at teoric level |
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| 19:41.41 | lilib | poisonbit> that about 2 the same partitions - mirrored? |
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| 19:42.04 | poisonbit | do you want to break the hdd headers ? :) |
| 19:42.10 | lilib | hehe |
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| 19:42.25 | lilib | well, i quessed about this stupid option miliseconds ago :) |
| 19:42.34 | poisonbit | async is a "common" option |
| 19:42.48 | abrotman | you mean sync ? |
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| 19:42.58 | lilib | ok, i guess i will start going to church :-) |
| 19:43.04 | poisonbit | If you want to see more search for /Mount options for ext3 in the man mount |
| 19:43.42 | poisonbit | specially data= |
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| 19:44.51 | poisonbit | andmaybe commit=nrsec depending of the SLA of the data... can you loose 5 seconds of data ? :) |
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| 19:52.47 | littleboy | hi all |
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| 19:53.25 | doubleclick | hi :) |
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| 19:54.26 | littleboy | i use skype, and i have a little problem with it, when someone send me a file, it doesn't send me a question (accept, don't accept etc..) please somebody help me |
| 19:54.43 | littleboy | sry for my bed english :S |
| 19:55.48 | littleboy | it is skype beta v.2.1.0.81 |
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| 19:57.13 | poisonbit | thats not a debian package... |
| 19:57.18 | SerajewelKS | littleboy: skype is not supported by debian. try the skype forums. |
| 19:57.42 | littleboy | ok i try it, thx a lot |
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| 20:09.23 | d0uglas | hey, when talking IP ranges, ending with /29 encompasses what? |
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| 20:10.10 | lindi- | d0uglas: that the first 29 bits of the addresses are always the same |
| 20:10.26 | derobert_work | d0uglas: there are several subnet calculators in Debian, ex., sipcalc |
| 20:10.32 | d0uglas | k |
| 20:10.39 | lindi- | d0uglas: thus 32 - 29 = 3 bits change and you have 2^3 = 8 addresses |
| 20:11.06 | Titan8990 | doubleclick: i use ipcalc personally |
| 20:11.12 | d0uglas | nice. i was about to calculate that with sipcalc but thanks for doing the math for me -- next time i will use sipcalc which just finished installing |
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| 20:11.16 | Titan8990 | ^ d0uglas - tab complete fail |
| 20:11.18 | d0uglas | i'll even man sipcalc |
| 20:11.29 | d0uglas | before coming here |
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| 20:12.10 | abrotman | heck .. asking google would have worked :) |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | d0uglas: did you want to konw how many IPs are in a /29? |
| 20:12.34 | d0uglas | yeah. |
| 20:12.49 | abrotman | 32 |
| 20:12.51 | abrotman | total |
| 20:13.06 | abrotman | erm .. 8 .. sorry |
| 20:13.11 | abrotman | needs to get back on his meds |
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| 20:13.22 | Titan8990 | abrotman: 6 total, two are reserved for net and broadcast |
| 20:13.25 | derobert_work | points out this is why we let the computer do the math |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | Titan8990: 8 total, 6 usable |
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| 20:13.39 | Titan8990 | right |
| 20:13.51 | abrotman | d0uglas: 2^(32-(yoursubnetmask)) |
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| 20:14.05 | Titan8990 | abrotman: bah, ipcalc is the way to go :) |
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| 20:14.12 | abrotman | math is hard .. |
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| 20:14.39 | streuner | lol |
| 20:15.16 | seatstaken | how do i enumerate my installed NICs? |
| 20:15.34 | Titan8990 | abrotman: not too bad with python -c '<math here>'; or M-x calc in emacs |
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| 20:16.17 | jelly-home | no echo 'math' | bc? |
| 20:16.24 | d0uglas | ipcalc breaks it down nice, sipcalc tldr for the man page |
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| 20:16.47 | d0uglas | wish i had known about ipcalc way back, wouldn't have had to come here and ask this question over and over for the different /#s |
| 20:16.52 | d0uglas | anyway thank you |
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| 20:17.22 | d0uglas | one follow-up, what is the Broadcast IP? like a primary IP kind of deal? |
| 20:17.26 | derobert_work | sipcalc 192.168.0.0/29 ... not that hard |
| 20:17.55 | derobert_work | d0uglas: no, broadcast is for contacting all hosts on the subnet at once |
| 20:17.59 | d0uglas | hey yeah that's good stuff, clearer too, though ipcalc is nice and colorful |
| 20:18.05 | d0uglas | derobert_work: got it |
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| 20:20.34 | derobert_work | d0uglas: ipcalc is definitely colorfull, but sipcalc is easier to copy/paste from using xterm tripple-click select to end of line |
| 20:21.05 | seatstaken | http://www.subnet-calculator.com/ |
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| 20:22.02 | d0uglas | man there are so many things I have gotten used to doing on Linux that I've come here years later to find out that there's a much shorter and simpler way to do the same thing .. dumb stuff like cat asdf|grep verus just grepping |
| 20:22.40 | d0uglas | abrotman: you should write a book for people like me... just echo your irc log into a text file and send it to a publisher |
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| 20:23.17 | d0uglas | how long a book do you think that would be? everything you've answered in this channel over the years? |
| 20:23.26 | dutchfish | good evening |
| 20:23.53 | dutchfish | how can i find out what the latest updates for a debian flavor where on the web last day? |
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| 20:25.18 | derobert_work | (oh, and if anyone is wondering how to get xterm tripple-click to only go to end of line, not entire line, .xterm.vt100.cutToBeginningOfLine: no in your .Xresources file) |
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| 20:25.33 | derobert_work | ... then xrdb -merge of course |
| 20:27.24 | seatstaken | how do i enumerate all the installed network interfaces on lenny? |
| 20:27.28 | seatstaken | from the command line |
| 20:27.42 | derobert_work | seatstaken: ip link ls, ifconfig -a |
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| 20:28.01 | derobert_work | seatstaken: probably a udev way, too |
| 20:28.13 | seatstaken | thanks |
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| 20:30.00 | derobert_work | seatstaken: oh, and /sys/class/net (duh) |
| 20:30.25 | derobert_work | seatstaken: being a file-based interface, /sys/class/net may be easiest |
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| 20:32.32 | abrotman | d0uglas: it's all logged on the intarweb |
| 20:32.56 | d0uglas | tldr |
| 20:33.28 | seatstaken | i have 2 wireless usb cards |
| 20:33.38 | seatstaken | there is a wlan0 but no other wlan |
| 20:33.48 | seatstaken | can't tell which is working and which isn't |
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| 20:34.15 | seatstaken | ifconfig |
| 20:34.18 | seatstaken | oops |
| 20:34.28 | seatstaken | lol noob |
| 20:37.08 | derobert_work | cat /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/{vendor,device} ... then you can compare that to lspci |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | or use dmesg |
| 20:38.20 | derobert_work | yep, that too |
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| 20:40.38 | sh4g0 | i need help for mi wifi, i have a BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)! |
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| 20:44.03 | sh4g0 | help |
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| 20:46.59 | blueghost | Hello, help me |
| 20:47.04 | blueghost | when i make .deb package, happens to me, |
| 20:47.14 | blueghost | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.14 | blueghost | gpg: skipped "Hu Shubin <SeekAWayOut@gmail.com>": secret key not available |
| 20:47.15 | blueghost | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
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| 20:48.12 | derobert_work | blueghost: is that your name/email address? If not, you need to put the correct name/address in the changelog |
| 20:48.14 | blueghost | I has the secret key |
| 20:48.20 | blueghost | yes |
| 20:48.45 | blueghost | thx |
| 20:48.47 | derobert_work | blueghost: does gpg --sign work for you on a random file |
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| 20:50.08 | derobert_work | that error message is coming from gpg, so first get gpg working. Make sure you're trying gpg as the same user you're building the package as. |
| 20:50.11 | blueghost | thank you |
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| 20:52.04 | blueghost | how to get gpg working |
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| 20:53.27 | derobert_work | blueghost: first make sure that gpg --list-secret-keys shows your secret key |
| 20:54.03 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: so regarding xen in squeeze when i try to start xend i get an error http://pastebin.com/2qNfp7Rq about hypervisor missing in /sys |
| 20:55.35 | blueghost | return the message " ... Hu Shubin (BlueGhost) <SeekAWayOut@gmail.com> ... " |
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| 20:58.00 | derobert_work | blueghost: I suspect its because the two strings are different... Try adding the (BlueGhost) part to your changelog |
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| 20:58.23 | blueghost | ok, thank you very much |
| 20:59.02 | derobert_work | blueghost: either that, or pass -k<keyid> to dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:00.19 | blueghost | thank derobert_work, i try it |
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| 21:03.16 | blueghost | derobert_work, i thank u again.i'm sleepy, wanna go to bed.. |
| 21:03.36 | derobert_work | blueghost: good night |
| 21:03.54 | blueghost | bye |
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| 21:08.20 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: i said i wasn't sure! |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: your kernel is out of date though, aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:11.23 | khem_ | why do transmission complain about 2 out of 5 torrents that they are corrupt? when they work fine in windows for instance? |
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| 21:12.33 | abrotman | khem_: please ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:16.33 | khem_ | abrotman: this is on a Debian box |
| 21:16.36 | khem_ | but ok |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | khem_: you were asking about ubuntu earlier |
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| 21:17.01 | abrotman | khem_: you may want to try another application that handles torrents |
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| 21:17.50 | khem_ | abrotman: i tried vuze aswell |
| 21:17.58 | abrotman | ,versions vuze |
| 21:18.01 | judd | vuze -- lenny: 3.1.1.0-4; sid: 4.3.0.6-1; squeeze: 4.3.0.6-1 |
| 21:18.04 | khem_ | i think it might be something about the web browser caching |
| 21:18.13 | abrotman | khem_: i used to use uhm .. bttornado or whatever it is |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | or rtorrent |
| 21:18.33 | khem_ | ok;) |
| 21:18.38 | khem_ | i will have a look at it |
| 21:18.41 | khem_ | rtorrent is webbased isnt it ? |
| 21:18.43 | jelly-home | rtorrent works, but has an... interesting interface |
| 21:18.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:18.51 | jelly-home | khem_: curses |
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| 21:19.19 | khem_ | :P |
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| 21:19.35 | khem_ | i dont mind |
| 21:19.54 | khem_ | curses is cool |
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| 21:22.14 | tharkun | msg dpkg broadcom |
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| 21:24.41 | grr_____________ | hi |
| 21:25.25 | grr_____________ | um debian installer wont let me do anything because it can't find my cd rom and it doesn't detect my nic.. |
| 21:25.39 | grr_____________ | i'm using a usb jump drive |
| 21:26.57 | grr_____________ | unetbootin on win box to try and make the jump drive... have tried several debian disks.. i can install the ethernet myself after it installs the distro... grr.. |
| 21:27.25 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 21:27.25 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 21:28.28 | grr_____________ | how do i make the usb disk from windows :( |
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| 21:29.05 | grr_____________ | that would be fine if i had a working distro of linux that i could use zcat with or any of those other commands it mentions |
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| 21:31.16 | abrotman | what's wrong with your CD drive? |
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| 21:32.34 | grr_____________ | i don't have one i'm on a netbook |
| 21:32.59 | grr_____________ | i put the cd image on a usb disk with unetbootin |
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| 21:33.17 | grr_____________ | have tried several each ask for cd rom... |
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| 21:33.26 | grr_____________ | and none can get the ethernet working |
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| 21:34.17 | grr_____________ | i can't do anything with the graphic install cause it keeps tryin to find a cdrom lol this is crazy |
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| 21:34.36 | grr_____________ | with any install.. |
| 21:34.57 | grr_____________ | is there usb specific images? |
| 21:34.58 | gwerq | Hello, is it possible to let bind use the nameservers described as forwarders in named.conf.options be chosen random rather then (99%) of the time the first in the list? |
| 21:35.45 | Gijs | is there a program where you can see the current bandwidth of it? |
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| 21:36.43 | ngomes | Gijs, global or per aplication |
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| 21:37.18 | abrotman | Gijs: ntop, jnettop,iftop .. to name a few |
| 21:37.18 | Gijs | uhhm |
| 21:37.27 | ngomes | iptraf too |
| 21:37.35 | Gijs | is there also a program with name like monitor? |
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| 21:38.14 | rvsjoen | bwm-ng |
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| 21:38.31 | lilib | any recommendation for good debian media server streams for ps3, iphone? |
| 21:38.38 | Mstaaravin | iptraf |
| 21:38.50 | Mstaaravin | bandwithd |
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| 21:41.05 | CodeNinja | grr_____________: there is a specific usb install, you should use that one |
| 21:41.12 | CodeNinja | also, quite an irritating nick |
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| 21:41.59 | grr_____________ | link please? i been searching can't find it... |
| 21:42.11 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 21:42.11 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:42.15 | grr_____________ | they want me to zcat some shit but i don't have a workin nix box.... can't do anything but use unetbootin... |
| 21:42.18 | Titan8990 | grr_____________: its in the official install guide |
| 21:42.34 | Titan8990 | grr_____________: I am sure cygwin has zcat |
| 21:43.47 | amphi | grr_____________: you can use gunzip |
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| 21:44.06 | tharkun | grr_____________: can you resize your nick please |
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| 21:57.16 | ScottG489 | im confused. debian doesnt come with gcc or g++ by default |
| 21:57.33 | amphi | no |
| 21:57.35 | AimHere | It comes with them, they don't get installed by default. |
| 21:57.37 | ScottG489 | im on my server right now and im not seeing it installed |
| 21:57.49 | ScottG489 | huh |
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| 21:57.59 | AimHere | That's what aptitude/apt-get/synaptic are for |
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| 21:59.53 | rudi_s_ | ScottG489: If you just use Debian you won't need a compiler. If you do, you could install the build-essential package. |
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| 22:04.29 | ngomes | did u guys knew |
| 22:04.42 | ngomes | that trovalds is quitting linux to join microsoft ? |
| 22:05.22 | Tux^Kaffeesuche | yawn. welcome to april 1st, everyone |
| 22:05.26 | AimHere | And a very merry April Fool's day to you too. D, must try harder |
| 22:05.58 | ngomes | lol |
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| 22:13.20 | ngomes | i completly forgot about april's fool day |
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| 22:13.47 | ngomes | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/the-linux-distillery/38031-linus-torvalds-joins-microsoft-next-gen-os-team-quits-linux |
| 22:13.55 | ngomes | that's were i've read it |
| 22:14.35 | adb | !tell ngomes -about ot |
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| 22:26.23 | boxxertrumps | i have 5 and a half hours till it's the first |
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| 22:28.54 | wolfric | is the ssh server in debian got an affiliation with freebsd? I just dod /etc/init.d/ssh restart and it said restarting openbsd secure shell server |
| 22:29.00 | wolfric | did* |
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| 22:31.23 | babilen | wolfric: http://www.openssh.com/ |
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| 22:31.49 | solidsnack | wolfric: OpenBSD and FreeBSD are very different things :) |
| 22:32.08 | babilen | wolfric: And OpenBSD is a different BSD than FreeBSD :) |
| 22:32.14 | marxu | :oi |
| 22:32.43 | wolfric | yes typo i meant to say openbsd not freebsd |
| 22:33.31 | wolfric | oh i see i didn't realise that openssh was developed by openbsd |
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| 22:35.18 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 22:36.33 | Strogg | I have an HP Laserjet P1505 which I used to have working with debian. After a bunch of time and a dist-upgrade, now when I try to print, I get the following message in my cups/error_log "Unable to write 8192 bytes to printer!". Has anyone seen this before? |
| 22:36.58 | Strogg | I've found a couple posts suggesting various things.. I've tried unloading the usblp module, but it hasn't helped |
| 22:37.06 | Titan8990 | a dist upgrade to a different release? |
| 22:37.52 | Strogg | Titan8990: I can't say for certain. |
| 22:38.06 | Strogg | I'm on debian testing now, though.. and I've tried the version in unstable, too. |
| 22:38.51 | Strogg | I was on testing before, but it _may_ have been last release's version of testing. |
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| 22:39.14 | Strogg | I've tried clearing out my /etc/cups directory and reinstalling the package clean.. didn't seem to help, though. |
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| 22:40.26 | Titan8990 | Strogg: what version of debian are you currently running? |
| 22:40.47 | Strogg | Titan8990: I'm running the current version of Debian/Testing. |
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| 22:41.42 | Strogg | debian_version says squeeze/sid |
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| 22:50.59 | sirrus | Hi |
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| 22:51.21 | sirrus | Is there any virtual X keyboard other than xvkbd? |
| 22:52.22 | themill | ,info kvkbd sid |
| 22:52.23 | judd | kvkbd (kde, optional): Virtual keyboard for KDE. Version: 1:0.6-2; Size: 83.0k; Installed: 248k; Homepage: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvkbd+-+KDE4?content=94374; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kvkbd |
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| 22:53.26 | sirrus | ok - does it show chinese characters? |
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| 22:56.18 | valdyn | sirrus: maybe you want something like gucharmap |
| 22:56.32 | valdyn | sirrus: ( that does cover every character ) |
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| 22:57.44 | babilen | sirrus: Do you want to input chinese? |
| 22:58.03 | sirrus | no - more something like xvkbd - I'm building a system with a browser in kiosk mode only (displaying process informations of a small water cleaning plant) and I need a virtual keyboard for the users to set comments on state changes |
| 22:58.17 | sirrus | yes - the users are chinese |
| 22:58.25 | valdyn | sirrus: touch screen? |
| 22:58.29 | sirrus | yes |
| 22:58.39 | valdyn | sirrus: have you looked at matchbox? |
| 22:59.01 | babilen | I have no experiences with virtual keyboards, but you typically enter chinese with SCIM ... |
| 22:59.21 | sirrus | never heard of matchbox - where can I get it? |
| 22:59.29 | valdyn | sirrus: in debian |
| 22:59.58 | sirrus | got it |
| 23:00.04 | sirrus | i'll try it |
| 23:00.08 | valdyn | sirrus: thats a window manager for touchscreen devices, including on screen keyboard etc |
| 23:00.29 | sirrus | I see |
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| 23:01.38 | lindi- | is "update-rc.d apache2 disable" nowadays the correct(tm) way to prevent apache2 from starting on next boot? |
| 23:01.53 | lindi- | (it looks like so from the manual page but I just wanted to be sure) |
| 23:02.38 | valdyn | lindi-: i dont think so |
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| 23:03.46 | lindi- | valdyn: hmm, any idea what is then? |
| 23:04.00 | lindi- | valdyn: sorry, with nowadays I mean squeeze |
| 23:04.02 | valdyn | lindi-: im looking at the manpage right now... |
| 23:04.19 | lindi- | where we have this dependency based boot |
| 23:04.47 | valdyn | lindi-: disable is good if you dont have dependency based boot as far as i can see |
| 23:05.09 | sirrus | thx |
| 23:05.13 | sirrus | cu |
| 23:05.38 | lindi- | valdyn: what if I do have it? |
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| 23:05.47 | valdyn | lindi-: im not sure, but for dependency based booting you should edit the init script |
| 23:05.56 | lindi- | valdyn: really? |
| 23:05.59 | valdyn | lindi-: and run insserv after that |
| 23:06.12 | valdyn | lindi-: you can at least experiment with that safely if you back up the original |
| 23:06.17 | lindi- | that sounds really bad to me, no way to automate |
| 23:06.33 | valdyn | lindi-: why would there be no way to automate? |
| 23:07.00 | valdyn | lindi-: im talking about the standardized header |
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| 23:07.31 | lindi- | valdyn: ok maybe if there's some tool to edit it |
| 23:07.53 | lindi- | i got the impression that update-rc.d disable would be the way to go though |
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| 23:08.03 | valdyn | lindi-: try and run insserv after |
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| 23:08.20 | valdyn | lindi-: because running insserv is what any service upgrade or install would do too |
| 23:08.29 | lindi- | valdyn: it seems to work for now, all levels have K links now |
| 23:08.37 | lindi- | valdyn: some discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/initscripts-ng-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg00495.html |
| 23:08.45 | valdyn | lindi-: but did you run insserv? |
| 23:08.51 | lindi- | yep |
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| 23:09.24 | lindi- | maybe it's a special case that if all links are K then it won't touch it? |
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| 23:10.35 | krisfremen | hmm, is lenny's repo down? |
| 23:10.43 | LinuXY | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3302/strip.jpg |
| 23:10.45 | krisfremen | http://ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 23:12.16 | krisfremen | ANYONE? |
| 23:12.19 | krisfremen | oops caps |
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| 23:13.01 | valdyn | lindi-: insserv does not seem to modify non-default K links |
| 23:13.12 | valdyn | lindi-: as you can see in the warnings you get when running it |
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| 23:13.51 | hideo | why hasn't there been any updates recently (last few weeks) in sid? |
| 23:13.59 | valdyn | lindi-: and very obviously a few package maintainers forgot about that, because i have 9 of those warnings in an unmodified install |
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| 23:14.04 | lindi- | valdyn: it doesn't print warnings after running disable |
| 23:14.05 | babilen | hideo: take a look at /topic |
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| 23:14.07 | valdyn | ( that was upgraded for a long time ) |
| 23:14.22 | stuckey | How can I disable system beeps? E.g., when I press tab when there's nothing to complete in the terminal. It is *REALLY* annoying. |
| 23:14.31 | krisfremen | xset -b |
| 23:14.41 | themill | hideo: a few days != weeks though. |
| 23:14.44 | valdyn | lindi-: maybe I still have an older insserv configuration |
| 23:14.47 | krisfremen | stuckey: xset -b |
| 23:14.54 | hideo | babilen: I'm guessing you mean b/c of the transition |
| 23:14.56 | valdyn | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `sysfsutils' overwrites defaults (empty). |
| 23:15.05 | babilen | !tell hideo -about ries |
| 23:15.08 | hideo | themill: yeah it feels like forever to me =) |
| 23:15.08 | valdyn | lindi-: ^^ |
| 23:15.40 | hideo | babilen: thanks |
| 23:15.51 | lindi- | valdyn: i'll paste when openssh-server has been installed and iave more than this serial console :) |
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| 23:20.18 | valdyn | !policy-rc.d |
| 23:20.18 | dpkg | methinks policy-rc.d is a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
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| 23:23.23 | stuckey | krisfremen: that didn't work |
| 23:23.58 | krisfremen | stuckey: well, it works for me, disables system beep |
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| 23:26.31 | themill | !beep |
| 23:26.31 | dpkg | well, beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 23:26.36 | themill | bleh |
| 23:26.38 | themill | !bell |
| 23:26.38 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>. |
| 23:28.27 | lindi- | valdyn: that's a different thing |
| 23:29.11 | stuckey | That has to be the most annoying feature of the kernel. |
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| 23:29.27 | lindi- | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/66850/ |
| 23:29.43 | Mowee | Adieu |
| 23:29.59 | valdyn | lindi-: alright, so you do get the warning |
| 23:31.29 | valdyn | lindi-: this is ok then i think, ive never seen anything run insserv -d or somesuch |
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| 23:37.00 | Brain | ok |
| 23:37.03 | Brain | slightly off topic |
| 23:37.12 | Brain | but this is so groundbreaking i thought you all might want to know and protect your systems |
| 23:37.19 | Brain | http://www.inspircd.org/forum/showthread.php?p=11351#post11351 |
| 23:37.35 | sadrolla | i will get a small debian for test modem dial up , plz help me |
| 23:38.00 | valdyn | Brain: aprils fool |
| 23:39.04 | Brain | indeed |
| 23:39.04 | Brain | :p |
| 23:39.14 | Brain | whos post do you think it is? :P |
| 23:39.39 | valdyn | ^^ |
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| 23:43.39 | cheako | When mastering Blu-Ray disks, what do the Allocation Descriptors and space options to mkudffs do? |
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| 23:44.40 | cheako | I've decided to pre-master 39 Blu-Ray disks onto a 1T external drive. I'm looking for the best options. |
| 23:45.00 | cheako | Thus far I have: "mkudffs -b 4096 --media-type=hd --u8 --noefe" |
| 23:45.45 | cheako | I'm also going to set vid. What's the difference from lvid? |
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| 23:50.10 | rgr | I'm looking for help setting debian up as a PS3 Media server. |
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| 23:58.11 | sh4g0 | who can help me with my graphics on debian?ยก |
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