| 00:00.34 | dboehmer | adb, lxde is running in general (i am writing this in lxde enrivonment) but upgrade doesnt work |
| 00:00.39 | dboehmer | it's more an apt problem |
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| 00:02.20 | aguitel | dboehmer: lxde in not working in squeeze try lenny |
| 00:02.57 | dboehmer | aguitel, how do you know that? i've been working with lxde for months. or did lxde just break? |
| 00:03.29 | JyZyXEL | sudo mdadm -vv --grow /dev/md0 -n 5 |
| 00:03.31 | JyZyXEL | mdadm: Need to backup 6144K of critical section.. |
| 00:03.33 | JyZyXEL | mdadm: /dev/md0: Something wrong - reshape aborted |
| 00:03.37 | JyZyXEL | its so amazingly verbose u_u |
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| 00:04.29 | aguitel | dboehmer: yesterday and make fresh lenny install and then i install lxde |
| 00:04.51 | aguitel | dboehmer: lxde is bad option in squeeze for me |
| 00:05.08 | dboehmer | aguitel, why is that? i cant follow you |
| 00:05.34 | iceroot | what is the common way to install sid? cant find cds, so i would install lenny and upgrade to sid |
| 00:05.54 | aguitel | dboehmer: error in login |
| 00:06.17 | aguitel | iceroot: find the cd ,are in the debian site |
| 00:06.22 | dboehmer | iceroot, everytime installing sid i find this very frustrating |
| 00:06.45 | themill | dpkg: tell iceroot about install sid |
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| 00:07.22 | iceroot | aguitel: cant find anything which does not exist |
| 00:07.29 | iceroot | themill: thx |
| 00:07.56 | dboehmer | iceroot, there are some weekly builds or something alike and you can download and install from that. if you do so you'll be asked whether to install unstable or testing |
| 00:08.28 | dboehmer | aguitel, recently i tried to solve the described apt block situation myself |
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| 00:09.12 | dboehmer | aguitel, result was an error when logging into lxde. i could work around that by downgrading to older version of several lxde pkgs which are now blocking any upgrades |
| 00:09.45 | dboehmer | aguitel, thus i would not tell sid inappropriate for lxde but pkgs seem to be broken somehow |
| 00:10.14 | dboehmer | aguitel, i'll try to figure out this issue when i meet some developer |
| 00:10.26 | aguitel | dboehmer: for example in squeeze (with lxde) when i try to install synaptic ,it appears with some errors in the menu |
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| 00:11.37 | dboehmer | aguitel, then you describe some other error than mine |
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| 00:12.14 | dboehmer | mine was a message saying X session lasted for <10secs after logging in and lxde complained about missing gtk themes in some other window |
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| 00:12.37 | aguitel | dboehmer: it appears twise in menu preference |
| 00:13.03 | Mowee | 'night |
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| 00:13.51 | agur | Updating headers during apt-get update takes ages and ages, how can I find out why? |
| 00:15.09 | peterrooney | agur: tshark |
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| 00:15.43 | aguitel | iceroot: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/ |
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| 00:17.03 | agur | ARG! Nothing works properly without the proprietary fglrx driver, and I can't find the 10-4 beta |
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| 00:20.17 | aguitel | iceroot: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/ |
| 00:20.27 | nutron | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md1 --level=1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
| 00:21.04 | nutron | why does that command tell me that no raid devices were specified? sdd1 e1 and f1 are set to partition type of fd, linux raid autodetect |
| 00:21.15 | nutron | oh! maybe /dev/md1 doesn't exist ... |
| 00:21.22 | nutron | goes to check |
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| 00:21.37 | JohnWittle | Guys seriously |
| 00:21.49 | JohnWittle | it would be super helpful if I could get some help figuring out why the installer won't detect my ethernet |
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| 00:23.00 | nutron | crap /dev/md1 is there .. |
| 00:23.06 | nutron | so now i'm lost |
| 00:23.08 | nutron | wth |
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| 00:40.08 | xeros_ | which kernel is Squeeze gonna use when it goes stable... 26.6.30 or 2.6.32? Thanks. |
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| 00:41.00 | amphi | .32 I think |
| 00:41.37 | xeros_ | appreciate it... is there somewhere on the debian site where I could read up on it? |
| 00:41.57 | devious | It's on .32 as we speak. |
| 00:42.31 | xeros_ | its the one I'm using now |
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| 00:42.56 | xeros_ | just wondered if there was any more attention given to one or the other |
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| 00:46.31 | xeros_ | I'm asking because I've got an issue with lm-sensors... I don't wanna resolve it on .32 if .30 is what Squeeze is gonna use |
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| 00:47.33 | solidsnack | JohnWittle: Probably no driver. |
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| 00:49.15 | xeros_ | it worked out of the box with etch and lenny... 32 messages: "ACPI: I/O resource it87 [0xe85-0xe86] conflicts with ACPI region IOHD [0xe85-0xe86]" |
| 00:49.47 | xeros_ | its a 780G mobo with the HD 3200 gpu |
| 00:49.57 | xeros_ | integrated |
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| 00:55.48 | xeros_ | the lm-sensors list suggests version 3.x or better, which is in the squeeze repo. I've installed/reinstalled the pkg on the .30 and 32 kernels but I get the same "conflict" message at boot up |
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| 00:58.30 | agur | Is there a way to generate a xorg.conf file apart from dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ? |
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| 00:58.48 | xeros_ | also installed the lm-sensors from the lenny repo... didn't work. k8temp is now in the kernel and autoloaded, which it didn't in .26 |
| 00:58.50 | symbolics | when i do a 'w' to see who's logged in it lists the reverse dns for the ip addresses. the domain names usually get cutoff by the formatting. whats a good way to see the ip addresses of logged in users? |
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| 00:59.22 | devious | symbolics: pipe through less? |
| 01:00.04 | xeros_ | @ agur 'sudo X -configure' it'll set up a xorg.conf in your home file to try |
| 01:00.53 | xeros_ | home dir, not home file |
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| 01:03.36 | agur | xeros_: I think I love you |
| 01:03.47 | agur | Give me a couple of minutes and I'll know for sure |
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| 01:05.28 | agur | Okay, that forced it to use the radeon driver, but it still lags like hell |
| 01:07.24 | xeros_ | agur: Lenny? fglrx installed? |
| 01:08.43 | agur | No, squeeze, and the only video driver installed is radeon |
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| 01:09.58 | agur | I purged the system for fglrx and xorg, then installed just xserver-xorg-video-radeon with the dependencies |
| 01:10.23 | xeros_ | I just installed squeeze and tried the radeon driver... its working real good |
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| 01:12.19 | agur | It fudges up like a nightmare on my computer |
| 01:12.33 | xeros_ | dunno what to suggest... maybe post yer xorg.conf in the forum and ask for feedback? |
| 01:14.02 | agur | It loads the radeon driver, so my config isn't the problem |
| 01:14.20 | Sazpaimon_ | is there a way to run mv while omitting directories |
| 01:14.52 | xeros_ | is the xorg.conf driver 'radeon' or 'ati'? |
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| 01:47.29 | criptex | hi channel, i'm building a new package, maint-guide talks about ex.package.doc-base file: (HTML, PS y PDF format). does this file supports 'wiki' format? |
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| 01:48.34 | hayleyw | criptex, no |
| 01:49.37 | criptex | hayleyw: ok. thanks ... i hope text/plain :) |
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| 01:54.28 | PovAddict | hi |
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| 01:54.53 | PovAddict | I downloaded the source of an existing package (kdeplasma-addons-4.3.4) and made my own changes, putting them in a local Mercurial repo for easier tracking |
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| 01:55.04 | JohnWittle | I'm installing debian off of a usb stick formatted with unetbootin. How do I make the installer recognize that the install CD is actually in the USB slot? |
| 01:55.11 | PovAddict | then rebuilt it, and it complains about the .hg directory |
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| 01:58.22 | wols_ | !tell JohnWittle about usb install |
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| 02:06.20 | Rudd-O | hey gents. I hav ea question: is it possible to debuild a package that contains some subpackages, but depending on a condition, NOT build a certain set of subpackages? |
| 02:06.50 | PovAddict | Rudd-O: from experience (5 minutes ago), I suggest you ask in irc.debian.org #debian-devel |
| 02:07.17 | Rudd-O | ok |
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| 02:17.11 | xmnt | i'm trying to install debian on my machine ... all went well except i'm getting blank screen on boot .. nvidia card; tried dpkg-reconfigure for xorg ... not sure what to do here |
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| 02:18.46 | hayleyw | xmnt, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 02:22.14 | nkraich | hi :) |
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| 02:23.44 | xmnt | hayleyw, thanks - however I've only got wireless on this machine ... is there a default driver or method so that I can get wifi running to install nvidia packages? |
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| 02:27.12 | wols_ | xmnt: what wlan chip? |
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| 02:27.26 | wols_ | xmnt: you don't need X at all for installing |
| 02:27.32 | CaptTofu | hello all! |
| 02:27.41 | CaptTofu | any folks here who build debian packages? |
| 02:27.44 | insane^_ | hey captofu... |
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| 02:27.54 | CaptTofu | insane^_ hey! |
| 02:28.59 | CaptTofu | I have everything working with my binary package... except... the things I want in data.tar.gz aren't being archived into the deb file |
| 02:29.17 | xmnt | wols_, Belkin F5D9050 ver 3 ... it's a usb adapter |
| 02:29.30 | CaptTofu | I have a binary package that I'm trying to build that installs in /opt/NorthScale .. |
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| 02:30.14 | dondelelcaro | CaptTofu: presumably, you aren't calling dh_install properly, or you're not calling dh_builddeb properly |
| 02:30.31 | wols_ | xmnt: belkin makes no chips |
| 02:30.31 | dondelelcaro | CaptTofu: which it is depends on the package and what compatibility level you're using |
| 02:31.04 | sevenop | How often do you guys notice package changes on debian testing? Once a week or so? |
| 02:31.18 | xmnt | wols_, i know .. lsusb doesn't give me anything other than manufacturer ... i believe it's broadcom though |
| 02:31.38 | hayleyw | xmnt, you should've googled |
| 02:31.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: every day |
| 02:31.52 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: multiple times a day, actually |
| 02:32.04 | sevenop | Kamping_Kaiser: I run aptitude update but it's not showing any updates, for about 4 days now. |
| 02:32.05 | hayleyw | xmnt, it used the rt2x00 driver. http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 02:32.08 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: not much has changed recently because ftpmaster has been down for a while |
| 02:32.08 | CaptTofu | dondelelcaro: so, what I do is stage, prep all the "stuff" - binary files. html files, erlang files, into a directory that I then copy 'debian' directory which contains control, rules, preinst, etc. |
| 02:32.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: ftpmaster is mia |
| 02:32.33 | dondelelcaro | CaptTofu: you're working too hard |
| 02:32.35 | CaptTofu | then I enter that directory, run dpkg-buildpackage on |
| 02:32.43 | sevenop | Kamping_Kaiser: What is ftp master? |
| 02:33.05 | CaptTofu | dondelelcaro: yeah, I kind of figured that - I feel like there's some tidbit of light that I need to see |
| 02:33.07 | dondelelcaro | CaptTofu: see the NM guide which explains how to use dh_* utilities for doing that |
| 02:33.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: debians master ftp server.... (where changes propagate from) |
| 02:33.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell CaptTofu -about nm guide |
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| 02:33.31 | hayleyw | xmnt, you're welcome |
| 02:33.31 | sevenop | Kamping_Kaiser: Ahhh, so we should see a flood of package change when it's back up yes? |
| 02:33.32 | dondelelcaro | CaptTofu: you probably also want to start by checking out how an existing package is built using that as your guide |
| 02:33.42 | xmnt | wols_, rt2x00 according to hayleyw ... thanks hayleyw |
| 02:33.44 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: in unstable, with changes to testing shortly thereafter |
| 02:33.59 | insane^_ | xmnt:, what does lsusb give you exactly? |
| 02:34.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: most likely, yeah |
| 02:34.05 | dondelelcaro | (well, and a reasonable set of packages flowing into testing too, as that propogation can't happen either) |
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| 02:34.19 | sevenop | What is currently the problem with ftpmaster, anyone know? |
| 02:34.23 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: hardware |
| 02:34.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: 'hardware issues' |
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| 02:34.38 | dondelelcaro | currently the thought is that the mainboard has died |
| 02:34.57 | sevenop | Why isn't there a backup ftpmaster? |
| 02:35.00 | xmnt | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 050d:905b Belkin Components F5D9050 ver 3 Wireless Adapter |
| 02:35.01 | CaptTofu | dondelelcaro: does dh_install need a DESTDIR argument? |
| 02:35.09 | xmnt | insane^_, ^ |
| 02:35.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: read the thread on debian-dev list |
| 02:35.20 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: we have backups, but not ones that are ready to be deployed immediately |
| 02:35.24 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oh ouch |
| 02:35.46 | sevenop | I see. |
| 02:35.56 | dondelelcaro | (and that's mainly because the hardware that it needs to be run on is pretty hefty) |
| 02:36.01 | insane^_ | seems to be a rt2570 chipset |
| 02:36.07 | insane^_ | @ xmnt |
| 02:36.43 | dondelelcaro | if we had infinite money, it probably could be done, but normally the downtime we have is fairly minimal; we do have a hardware support contract, after all |
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| 02:37.02 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i can imagine; all that bandwidth, plus processing |
| 02:37.13 | insane^_ | dondelelcaro, could you possibly tell what the ftpmaster normally is runnin on? |
| 02:37.36 | sevenop | Kamping_Kaiser: Can you point me in the direction of the thread, I'm at http://www.debian.org/devel/ but cannot seem to locate mailing list archive? Am I in the correct location? |
| 02:37.49 | dondelelcaro | insane^_: quad dl360 iirc with something like 16G of ram and something like 1T of raid |
| 02:37.55 | dondelelcaro | possibly more now |
| 02:38.08 | insane^_ | dl360? |
| 02:38.13 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i hate to ask, but is there an eta? |
| 02:38.23 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: was supposed to be today, but probably tomorrow |
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| 02:38.27 | insane^_ | what the heck is dl360.... |
| 02:38.34 | dondelelcaro | insane^_: HP server model |
| 02:38.35 | hayleyw | hp proliant |
| 02:38.39 | insane^_ | ah ok |
| 02:38.51 | hayleyw | same hardware kernel.org runs on |
| 02:38.59 | insane^_ | I thought you knew the CPU-model or somethin... |
| 02:38.59 | insane^_ | :x |
| 02:39.00 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: cool. thanks. i'm glad you were able to get something together that quickly. |
| 02:39.09 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: oh, it's not me |
| 02:39.20 | insane^_ | Yeah hayleyw but I don't know the kernel.org hardware either ;) |
| 02:39.21 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I just watch it happening; DSA does the hard work |
| 02:39.31 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: *nods* |
| 02:39.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: searh "Hardware trouble ries.debian.org - ftpmaster.debian.org / release.d.o services disabled" |
| 02:39.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | sevenop: probablyfastest way :) |
| 02:39.42 | simonrvn | tell them thank you for me :) |
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| 02:40.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | ++ |
| 02:41.05 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00834.html FE |
| 02:41.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ftpmaster down is <reply>ftpmaster (the machine that handles the master archive repository for all Debian packages) is currently down with hardware issues. See the thread at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00834.html for more information. |
| 02:41.40 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 02:42.20 | simonrvn | it's amazing it's lasted so long, the amount of punishment it goes through |
| 02:43.10 | sevenop | Yes, thank you both, reading the archive now. |
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| 02:45.35 | sevenop | Out of curiosity, it seems as if the commentary is placed by individuals that are not next to the equipment. Is there a specific university / company that manages the equipment? |
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| 02:46.48 | insane^_ | How long did the hardware last before it crashed ? |
| 02:46.55 | insane^_ | Does anybody know that...? |
| 02:46.57 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: depends on where the equipment is located |
| 02:47.06 | dondelelcaro | insane^_: 5 years or so |
| 02:47.28 | insane^_ | nice... I guess it has been online 24/7 ? |
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| 02:47.48 | dondelelcaro | insane^_: yes |
| 02:47.56 | simonrvn | of course ;) |
| 02:47.58 | hayleyw | personally i think debian should just do what kernel.org did and pass everything off to osuosl.org... :P |
| 02:48.06 | dondelelcaro | hayleyw: we have equipment there too |
| 02:48.09 | sevenop | dondelelcaro: One post makes reference to a "hoster", making me think the equipment is not located within a "debian" controlled facility but is colocated. Would this assumption be correct for ftpmaster? |
| 02:48.18 | hayleyw | dondelelcaro, i'm aware. i mean *everything* :P |
| 02:48.22 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: it's correct for everything we have |
| 02:48.40 | dondelelcaro | hayleyw: we're globally distributed, and we've lost whole server rooms to fire, so that's not something that's reasonable to do |
| 02:49.06 | hayleyw | dondelelcaro, they have three locations in the US. a room fire wouldnt do anything |
| 02:49.28 | dondelelcaro | hayleyw: yes, but it's still only in the US... |
| 02:49.39 | simonrvn | need global reach |
| 02:49.46 | hayleyw | true. i suppose obama might cut off the US from the internet... |
| 02:49.56 | hayleyw | :P |
| 02:50.04 | dondelelcaro | (and we have far more machines than kernel.org does which do quite a bit more stuff) |
| 02:50.55 | insane^_ | sevenop: why would they bother with hardware and connection stuff ...? |
| 02:51.54 | insane^_ | I guess managing and securing one of the worlds most used servers already is a lot of work... |
| 02:52.06 | dondelelcaro | anyway, everywhere where we have hardware, there's someone who can physically put their hands on the equipment and deal with it; this particular case isn't an example where the local hoster is problematic; it's an issue which has taken HP support a while to work thorugh coupled with some logistical issues, coupled with flooding in RI. |
| 02:53.02 | insane^_ | what does RI stand for? |
| 02:53.06 | sevenop | insane^_: Not sure really, just was curious if the central repo's were handled by debian staff/volunteers. |
| 02:53.08 | dondelelcaro | insane^_: the state |
| 02:53.10 | hayleyw | us state of road island |
| 02:53.14 | insane^_ | ah, ok |
| 02:53.18 | simonrvn | rhode |
| 02:53.23 | insane^_ | sry.. i'm not an american ;) |
| 02:53.24 | hayleyw | word |
| 02:53.29 | simonrvn | neither am i |
| 02:54.09 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 02:54.23 | sevenop | If I wanted to support debian with hosted resources, what type of Internet connection's would I need to become a mirror? Or even a lesser mirror? |
| 02:54.35 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: depends where you're located |
| 02:55.09 | dondelelcaro | sevenop: you can always set up your own mirror; if you're in the US, there's generally little point unless you have a really big pipe... if you're somewhere else, there may be a point even if you don't |
| 02:55.57 | dondelelcaro | generally though, the main things we need help with are people filing and fixing bugs, helping with documentation, etc; person-hours are more valuble than server and bandwidth |
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| 02:56.29 | hayleyw | which makes this downtime even more interesting. if there are so many sites in the US with huge pipes, why doesn the ftpmaster rely on one location/server? |
| 02:56.36 | sevenop | I'm in the US. I'd rather not hurt the ecology if the pipe is too small. |
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| 02:57.15 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: mind if i /msg you? |
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| 02:58.40 | sevenop | haleyw: I agree, that was my thought, maybe support a second (offline?) version of the ftpmaster server. The comments on heavy server costs I'm not sure I agree with. But then again, this may truly be a very very uncommon event. |
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| 02:59.20 | simonrvn | it is. i've never seen it take so long. |
| 02:59.43 | sevenop | dondelecaro: I understand, like fixing acpi so my laptop comes back from suspend! I have been debating diving into the code. |
| 03:00.02 | sevenop | simonrvn: Has it gone down in the past? |
| 03:00.14 | simonrvn | not that i noticed ;). |
| 03:00.30 | hayleyw | the rarity of it is irrelevant. what matters is that there's no failover |
| 03:00.38 | simonrvn | that's my point. 5 years since the last change, i've been around a while, so has dondelelcaro |
| 03:00.41 | wish^ | is 25mib/s maxing a gbit ? |
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| 03:00.53 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: sure, go ahead |
| 03:01.20 | dondelelcaro | hayleyw: its explained in the thread above |
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| 03:02.25 | wish^ | ??? |
| 03:02.32 | sevenop | wish^:Technically, no, you'd need more like 125mibs. |
| 03:03.46 | sevenop | wish^: Personal experience with sequential reads over smb shows more like 50mib from a couple HD's though. |
| 03:04.56 | insane^_ | I guess it also depends on the disk speed... you won't get the full 125 mb/s (theoretical max speed) if you are reading from a 2,5 inch HDD |
| 03:05.47 | hayleyw | that's not true. you can have 10000rpm 2.5 drives |
| 03:05.55 | wish^ | when is your gbit lan card maxed though? |
| 03:06.05 | insane^_ | hayleyw: I meant a typical 2,5 inch drive of an notebook |
| 03:06.10 | insane^_ | to point it out correctly ;) |
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| 03:06.17 | insane^_ | they run at 5400 RPM |
| 03:06.49 | insane^_ | The best chance to get full speed is to read from an SSD ... and of course you need a fast HDD to write with that speed... |
| 03:06.57 | sevenop | wish^:1 gbit = 125mbyte |
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| 03:07.13 | wish^ | so why can i only reach 25 over lan |
| 03:07.36 | hayleyw | because your hd cant keep up |
| 03:08.16 | insane^_ | 25 mb/s is pretty poor... which hard drive does the target and the source pc have? |
| 03:08.17 | sevenop | wish^: Protocol? Drive quantity? Drive Speed? Firewalls? Old Computer (very low cpu speed)? etc |
| 03:08.29 | wish^ | ipv6 |
| 03:08.37 | wish^ | sata disks |
| 03:08.37 | hayleyw | ipv6 has nothing to do with it |
| 03:08.45 | insane^_ | sata disk != sata disk |
| 03:09.16 | wols_ | a typical notebook drive does +50MB sustained |
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| 03:09.24 | wols_ | *MB/s |
| 03:09.42 | hayleyw | SATA what? I? II? which RPM? which protocol (dont say ipv6) ? |
| 03:09.59 | insane^_ | he already said smb... |
| 03:10.16 | hayleyw | insane^_, do a test with rsync. see what that gives you |
| 03:10.26 | hayleyw | rsync -P |
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| 03:10.37 | insane^_ | hayleyw: ? |
| 03:10.49 | insane^_ | why should I do a test with rsync? |
| 03:11.08 | insane^_ | It is wish^´s problem, not mine |
| 03:11.18 | hayleyw | sorry :P |
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| 03:13.03 | insane^_ | however... i'm going to sleep now... 5 AM here - time to go to bed for me... |
| 03:13.18 | insane^_ | bye everybody ;) |
| 03:13.23 | sevenop | goodbye |
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| 03:27.03 | Tametomo | Erm... I might have encountered a fairly high security problem with Synaptic a short bit ago. I think that there might be a rabbit somewhere in the code, or that it's triggerable into one. I'm currently attempting to fix it manually, and unfortunately don't have a backtrace, but I can report the symptoms rather easily. |
| 03:27.38 | sevenop | Tametomo: Can you let me know what you did and I can try to duplicate on my end? |
| 03:28.27 | Tametomo | Well, first off, let me describe what I ended up with, then I'll trace back to that. |
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| 03:29.51 | Tametomo | I've currently got a 300 MB /etc/apt/sources.list, which is mostly filled with commented out lines like ##\n (\n for a newline character, of course), ## # #\n, ## # # # #\n, etc. with no real identifiable pattern to it. |
| 03:30.10 | acu07 | by accident -someone screwed the KDE panel in squeeze - does anyone knows howto restore to default ? |
| 03:30.44 | hayleyw | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.56 | sevenop | hayleyw: I'm assuming he created it. |
| 03:31.02 | hayleyw | Tametomo, that's utter nonsense |
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| 03:31.20 | acu07 | Tmetomo: you might have been drunk and forgot your hand on the keybord for few minutes :) |
| 03:31.21 | Tametomo | I do have one though... |
| 03:31.30 | pflanze | Hello. Is there a way to allow a non-root user or application to listen on ports < 1024? |
| 03:31.49 | sevenop | Tametomo: I'll create one, what do I do next? |
| 03:31.52 | Tametomo | No, I assure you I did not. I terminated synaptic early enough that I kept it from causing too much of a problem here. |
| 03:32.00 | hayleyw | Tametomo, no, you dont |
| 03:32.11 | pflanze | (Without going through setuid) |
| 03:32.14 | Tametomo | Actually, I haven't backtraced with you yet on how I ended up with it. |
| 03:32.30 | pflanze | (or at least not in the application itself) |
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| 03:32.50 | acu07 | Tametomo: what is your question - just change your sources.list with a fresh one - and see whether is stays that way or increases in size |
| 03:33.48 | hayleyw | pflanze, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authbind |
| 03:34.17 | Tametomo | Ok, you came on right as I mentioned that. Basically, I think I discovered a rabbit when using synaptic. I'm not sure that I can reproduce it, but I thought I'd explain what was in it first before I got into those details, just so that I could explain in advance what might be getting hit up a lot. |
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| 03:34.49 | Tametomo | I'm also fairly certain that this might have been a fluke too, and is probably not easy to reproduce. |
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| 03:35.20 | vsmatck | It could be a package that caused it as well. deb packages contain scripts that can do anything to the system. |
| 03:35.36 | vsmatck | You could try to reproduce by installing packages you know you've installed recently. |
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| 03:36.14 | Tametomo | No packages recently. Now, before anyone gets too far ahead, I'm going to explain what I did, alright? ;) |
| 03:36.23 | vsmatck | k :) |
| 03:36.53 | Tametomo | What I did do was I added a repository recently to my sources list, since the main debian mirror was down. However, I did input it incorrectly. |
| 03:37.18 | Tametomo | Specifically, I stated to use http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/ and not http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/debian/ and to fetch from sid. |
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| 03:37.39 | hayleyw | that wouldnt affect source.list. it'd affect the database in /var/ if anything at all |
| 03:37.44 | Tametomo | It was fine at first, when I attempted to update, but then when I went back in, I had to kill synaptic cause it was hanging. |
| 03:38.35 | Tametomo | My system was also stopping to a crawl to where I wasn't able to kill X.org without a hard restart as well, since I was suffering from a resource starvation. |
| 03:39.29 | Tametomo | And, instead of trying to do it the same way, I decided that maybe I should instead manually open up a terminal and look at the file. And lo and behold, it was 300 MB. |
| 03:40.19 | Tametomo | Like I said a bit earlier, it was filled with ##\n, ## # #\n, ## # # # #\n, etc. lines with no pattern to them that I could immediately see. |
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| 03:40.53 | hayleyw | apt-get update/aptitude update would never alter sources.list. period |
| 03:41.20 | Tametomo | One possible cause that I might be able to think of would be that I managed to beat a race condition I shouldn't have, which stuck the writing in an infinite loop. Now, as to why that occurred, I don't know at the moment. |
| 03:41.22 | peterrooney | Tametomo: is sources.list a file, or a symlink? |
| 03:41.28 | Tametomo | file |
| 03:41.33 | sevenop | hayleyw: Yes, but would synaptic for some reason not affiliated with apt/aptitude? |
| 03:41.42 | hayleyw | sevenop, no |
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| 03:42.21 | sevenop | hayleyw: I'm thinking currently this looks like a synaptic bug, but it's probably something else entirely. |
| 03:42.52 | Tametomo | That's what I'm thinking, but unfortunately I don't have as much information on a traceback for it as I'd like. |
| 03:43.07 | Tametomo | I didn't think that that's what was going on until I saw it recently. |
| 03:43.09 | peterrooney | Tametomo: how about while sleep 1; do lsof /etc/apt/sources.list >> weird.log ; done ? might work around that resource starvation problem |
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| 03:49.42 | Tametomo | I'm planning on running a simple sed parsing to try to fix it. The first parse would scrub out all of the " # #" bits, and the second one would then scrub out the "##\n" bits. I'll need to remember how to replace newlines correctly again (might end up doing it through perl, but I remember that it's not exactly pretty, but doable that way.) |
| 03:50.40 | Tametomo | I could just override it completely with a fresh one, but at least to me, a sed substitution is a bit less destructive. ;) |
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| 03:51.29 | hayleyw | you're crazy |
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| 03:51.50 | Tametomo | I'm also keeping a copy of the old list around, although I think that describing what it did is a lot more helpful than anyone just downloading a 300 MB file, since what I said is all there is to it. Although, I don't mind pasting some segments to see if anyone can notice some patterns I don't in the data. |
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| 03:54.02 | Tametomo | Well, it could also be that there's some other patterns later that I don't know about. I want to fully dissect the problem. |
| 03:54.17 | Tametomo | Does that make sense? |
| 03:54.36 | Tametomo | Yes, it might be crazy, but if there's other things going on as well, it might help |
| 03:56.34 | Tametomo | First pass through an expression I made cut 30 MB. Second pass, another 30 MB. So, maybe there's an even distribution of the line patterns (dunno why there would be, but we'll see when I go through all passes for it) |
| 03:56.40 | Tramp | Tametomo: sed can only work on "internal" newlines since it removes the newline on reading a line and adds it later when printing out |
| 03:57.06 | Tametomo | Yes, I know. But there is a way to detect newlines, but I think I need to do it through some perl magic. |
| 03:57.44 | Tametomo | Oh, sorry, it's not 30 MB. It's 32 MB. Ok, so it's on powers of 2. |
| 03:58.19 | Tametomo | Rather interesting. Cut another 32 MB again on a third pass. |
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| 04:06.15 | Tametomo | 4th, again 32 MB, 5th, another 32 MB, 6th is down to 29 MB cut, 25 MB cut, 22.4 MB, 26 MB, 10.6 MB, 6.2 MB, 3 MB, 1.2 MB, 0.5 MB, then 0.1 MB. Now I just need to do the last trimming for the lines with newlines on the end. |
| 04:06.34 | Tametomo | BTW, I'll see how much this file is zipped. With data like this, it should be fairly easy to compress. |
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| 04:07.04 | Tametomo | Oh, and the sed command I was using was a simple sed "s/ # #//;" sources.list |
| 04:08.00 | Tametomo | Yup. Compresses to 4.5 MB with a tar.gz |
| 04:08.43 | Tramp | if you just want to remove newlines, consider "tr -d '\n'" |
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| 04:10.14 | Tametomo | I did perl -p0777i -w -e 's/##\n//ig;' sources.list |
| 04:10.24 | Tametomo | Since that's what I was left with after all of that. |
| 04:12.45 | Tametomo | Funnily, I think I could have done two more passes, looking at the results, but it's much more manageable now. I can trim those extras out manually now. |
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| 04:16.40 | Tametomo | So... I've got a 4.5 MB tarball of this file. Anyone interested in it for debugging purposes, or would rather that I use a better compression? |
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| 04:17.29 | Tametomo | Again, I apologize for not having a good backtrace on this, other than observations on what was happening, and what I did. I know that's going to make it difficult to figure out why it happened in the first place. |
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| 04:21.25 | Tametomo | Ah, I'll upload it to a file site in a tar.xz format. That compressed to 100.8 KB. That should be rather manageable. |
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| 04:23.05 | Tametomo | Here: http://www.2shared.com/file/12396231/fb8e6bfa/sourceslisttar.html |
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| 04:40.08 | pflanze | hayleyw: thanks for the tip with authbind; actually I think I'm going to use privbind instead. |
| 04:41.51 | Tametomo | Ok, I see no one wants the file. Don't blame you there. ;) |
| 04:42.32 | Tametomo | If anyone needs anything else from me, be sure to highlight me, and I'll see what I can do. Not entirely sure I could reproduce it again, but I don't mind trying. |
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| 04:49.52 | Tametomo | Oh, and thanks for listening to the problem, despite it being April 1st today. I appreciate how helpful this channel can be. Hope this helps discover a bug there in spite of what I was able to provide, cause rabbits can be nasty. |
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| 05:11.51 | amitz | what's the keyword to google for debian way to setup a NAT in squeeze. Ipmasq no longer exist in squeeze. I use ipmasq+dnsmasq in lenny. |
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| 05:15.17 | SJrX | is there a command like time that will give me an idea how much iowait time the process had, I have a problem where the first time I execute commands on a VPS it takes like 300 ms to start executing. |
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| 05:19.43 | SingAlong | hi all |
| 05:20.41 | SingAlong | I tried to do sudo apt-get install build-dep qt4-qmake and i got this error "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" |
| 05:20.55 | SingAlong | basically... i get this error everytime i try to do build-dep. |
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| 05:22.52 | SingAlong | anyone? |
| 05:23.00 | Tametomo | How about leaving out the install part? |
| 05:23.08 | Tametomo | I don't see why that should be there. |
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| 05:24.28 | SingAlong | Tametomo: and i still get the error |
| 05:24.56 | Tametomo | Well, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list file look like? |
| 05:25.39 | Tametomo | You could post the contents at http://pastebin.com/ in order to avoid spamming here, then link to it. |
| 05:25.53 | SingAlong | Tametomo: one sec. i'll pastie it. |
| 05:26.51 | SingAlong | Tametomo: it has only one line :P so i wont need pastie. "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
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| 05:27.01 | Tametomo | BTW, in order to use build-dep, I'm fairly sure you need to have a source URI, and not just binary URIs. |
| 05:27.12 | NotInternat | SingAlong: you need to have a deb-src line |
| 05:27.15 | Tametomo | Well there's your problem. Any reason why you want to build it from source? |
| 05:27.41 | Tametomo | Otherwise, just use install |
| 05:27.46 | SingAlong | Tametomo: well, i'm trying to build qt from source to use a pkg to convert html to pdf which does it by using the qt webkit. |
| 05:27.51 | Internat | deb-src http://192.168.0.254:9999/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 05:27.55 | Internat | should look something like that |
| 05:28.02 | Internat | where 192.168.0.254:9999 is your mirror |
| 05:28.21 | Internat | so in your case "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
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| 05:28.33 | Tametomo | Hehe, you were a bit quicker at that than me. |
| 05:28.47 | SingAlong | thanks both of you :D |
| 05:29.06 | Tametomo | But yes, copy the line you pasted, and make it deb-src instead of deb. Then you can pull from both. |
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| 05:30.34 | SingAlong | Tametomo: ah make which one as deb-src? |
| 05:30.48 | SingAlong | Tametomo: should i make my earlier line too as deb-src? |
| 05:30.52 | Internat | no |
| 05:30.54 | Tametomo | no |
| 05:31.00 | Internat | your sources.list should look like this |
| 05:31.04 | Internat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 05:31.07 | Internat | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 05:31.08 | Internat | done |
| 05:31.12 | Tametomo | Just copy/paste what Internat said earlier into the file. |
| 05:31.15 | Internat | just those two lines |
| 05:31.22 | SingAlong | Tametomo: ya I already vi-ed it |
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| 05:31.48 | SingAlong | but i get this error now E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:31.58 | Internat | apt-get update |
| 05:32.02 | SingAlong | do i need to update the pkg list cache now? |
| 05:32.07 | Internat | yes |
| 05:32.13 | SingAlong | Internat: oh. |
| 05:32.26 | SingAlong | oh ya it works now |
| 05:32.28 | Internat | anytime you edit sources.list you should do an apt-get update |
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| 05:33.43 | SingAlong | Internat: i'm so used to synaptic on my desktop so on my vps i get a lot of things wrong |
| 05:33.57 | SingAlong | i had never known abt build-dep |
| 05:34.41 | Tametomo | Hehe, funny thing. I got on earlier to report about how Synaptic left me with a 300 MB sources.list |
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| 05:35.29 | Tametomo | I'm suspecting a rabbit somewhere in that code, but have no backlogs to it. Just like a few people here, I didn't think that it was even possible for that to happen, but it did. :P |
| 05:36.18 | Tametomo | Biggest plaintext file I've ever seen. :) I've archived it in a tar.xz file as a trophy. |
| 05:36.43 | Tametomo | Well, biggest that wasn't corrupted. |
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| 05:37.24 | SingAlong | haha :D |
| 05:37.28 | SingAlong | is synaptic so bad? |
| 05:37.46 | Tametomo | Normally I'd say no. It's been rather good to me over the years. |
| 05:38.01 | Tametomo | I'm a bit surprised that it even happened, to be honest. |
| 05:38.41 | Tametomo | My suspicion would be that I happened to trigger a race condition somehow with the locks. |
| 05:39.14 | Tametomo | But I can't think of how I might have done that. I did kill it because it was hanging on me, but in order for that to happen in the first place, there already had to be something wrong. |
| 05:39.45 | Tametomo | I don't think that any apps really do good when they're forced to buffer 300 MB of text. |
| 05:40.14 | Tametomo | Heck, gedit crashes if you try to do a large number of find/replaces all at once on a file that size. ;) |
| 05:40.23 | SingAlong | haha :) i think I have to check my sources.list on my netbook here. it takes a of time to read the list sometimes |
| 05:41.31 | SingAlong | ah! one page of sources.list doesnt seem bad compared to 300mb. Most of my lines are comments |
| 05:41.50 | Tametomo | Most of the lines in that file *were* comments |
| 05:42.08 | Tametomo | That's practically all the file was. It was still functional, just incredibly slow. |
| 05:42.19 | SingAlong | hehe :D |
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| 05:42.54 | SingAlong | I'm searching for an autojump command that someone wrote last week. that would save me from typing long path names to cd to. |
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| 05:43.05 | Tametomo | Just use tab |
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| 05:43.23 | Tametomo | Start typing the file name or directory, and press tab. Bash will autocomplete. |
| 05:44.56 | SingAlong | no this autojump thing was like if you had path names like /media/pt1/apps/myapp/public/images/whatever and you just type one of the unique words in the name and it'll cd immediately |
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| 05:45.30 | Tametomo | ln -s ? |
| 05:45.41 | Tametomo | That's what I'd do, to be honest. |
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| 05:47.21 | SingAlong | :) why didnt i think of that :/ |
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| 05:48.43 | rue_linshop | !find acroread |
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| 05:48.56 | rue_linshop | apt search acroread |
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| 05:49.09 | rue_linshop | dpkg, search acroread |
| 05:49.09 | dpkg | rue_linshop: wish i knew |
| 05:49.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'acroread' (5 of 26): (/etc/cups/acroread.conf) in net/cups ;; (/usr/share/scribus/icons/acroread.png) in graphics/scribus ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_acroread) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/pyshared/orca/scripts/apps/acroread.py) in gnome/gnome-orca ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/acroread.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono. |
| 05:49.34 | rue_linshop | anyone know if there is an acrobat reader package available anymore? |
| 05:49.54 | rue_linshop | hmm |
| 05:50.02 | rue_linshop | it dosn't look like there is |
| 05:50.33 | Tametomo | Try in debian-multimedia, or on Adobe's site itself. |
| 05:51.06 | Tametomo | Actually, I don't think it's in debian-multimedia anymore, to be honest. But you can get a deb straight from Adobe's site for it. |
| 05:51.19 | rue_linshop | k |
| 05:51.27 | rue_linshop | for debian or 'ubuntu' |
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| 05:52.25 | rue_linshop | 43M |
| 05:52.31 | rue_linshop | this sounds like a system takeover |
| 05:52.35 | rue_linshop | its a .bin |
| 05:52.39 | Tametomo | They don't really make a distinction. |
| 05:52.43 | Tametomo | You can get a deb. |
| 05:52.49 | rue_linshop | where? |
| 05:52.56 | rue_linshop | http://get.adobe.com/reader/thankyou/?installer=Reader_9.3.1_English_for_Linux_(.bin) |
| 05:52.59 | Tametomo | Click on Different language or operating system? |
| 05:53.24 | rue_linshop | ah |
| 05:53.33 | Tametomo | Then go to Linux - x86 (.deb) from the dropdown |
| 05:53.35 | rue_linshop | its 60M now... |
| 05:53.47 | Tametomo | Yup |
| 05:54.00 | Tametomo | OpenOffice is rather large as well. |
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| 05:54.30 | Tametomo | And for Windows, they're 26 MB. I think it's big no matter what the OS. |
| 05:54.43 | ArZ_ | Hello, All. Is there any way i can get php5 version higher than 5.2.8 on lenny? |
| 05:54.43 | Tametomo | Although to be honest, you're probably on the right track. |
| 05:55.00 | Tametomo | However, you can get some decent replacements to Adobe Reader. |
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| 05:55.32 | Tametomo | For instance, Okular |
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| 05:55.51 | rue_linshop | yea, I find even tho their app is slower than molases at the north pole, it tends to interpert files 'better' than the other readers |
| 05:56.32 | rue_linshop | but hey its adobe, you cant expect it to not be bloatware |
| 05:56.36 | Tametomo | Well, the option's there if you want it. Like I said, they do provide a deb now. |
| 05:56.46 | rue_linshop | yep, I got it |
| 05:57.04 | rue_linshop | the speed of the internet hides these bloatware crimes |
| 05:57.05 | Tametomo | Probably the reason why debian-multimedia doesn't have it anymore. But I don't know the real reason why not. |
| 05:57.22 | rue_linshop | I'm surprised its not just under non-fre or soemthing |
| 05:57.38 | dkr | it is |
| 05:57.42 | Tametomo | BTW, if you don't know about debian-multimedia, you can find it here: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 05:57.47 | rue_linshop | no its nowhere to be found |
| 05:57.49 | rue_linshop | ask apt |
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| 05:58.04 | Deeps | hiya, any suggestions of a lightweight way to blank the screen until a password is entered? xtrlock is a bit too lightweight, in that it doesn't blank the screen :( |
| 05:58.19 | Tametomo | Yeah, dkr, hasn't been around for a little while. |
| 05:58.37 | rue_linshop | hm there are a million things that do that... I dont kow which one is stilll installed on my sytem |
| 05:58.42 | rue_linshop | I think its the X screensaver |
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| 05:59.19 | Tametomo | Well, sans the password part, ctrl+alt+f1 works well for hiding my screen. ;) |
| 05:59.20 | dkr | maybe I misread, didn't read all buffer. I was talking about acroread. I lost it when upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but noticed I just had debian-multimedia main, I added non-free and then I got it from squeeze |
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| 06:00.02 | Tametomo | Then to go back to my graphical environment, I'd just go back with ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 06:00.44 | rue_linshop | ok I know this isn't a deb specific q. recursivly set every _dir_ to 777 ? |
| 06:01.00 | rue_linshop | find ? |
| 06:01.01 | Tametomo | However, that's not really a solution for you, I'm sure. But it should stop most people who don't know Linux. If they're determined enough, they'd probably restart it anyways. |
| 06:01.12 | dkr | I don't generally use it, but I have a couple big .pdfs that acroread search features works in .01 the time of xpdf's |
| 06:01.19 | dkr | rue_linshop: man chmod |
| 06:01.26 | rue_linshop | directoryies only |
| 06:01.40 | Tametomo | It still can be used recursively. |
| 06:01.46 | Tametomo | Hence the man part. |
| 06:02.00 | rue_linshop | it will try to set everything |
| 06:02.12 | Tametomo | I think it's the big case R if I remember right. |
| 06:02.19 | Tametomo | Oh, only the directories? |
| 06:02.27 | rue_linshop | yea |
| 06:02.31 | Tramp | rue_linshop: yes, find |
| 06:02.32 | rue_linshop | otherwise I wouldn't be asking |
| 06:02.49 | rue_linshop | find with execute? |
| 06:02.56 | Tametomo | How about just writing a perl script to do it? |
| 06:03.04 | Tramp | rue_linshop: yes. with -type d and -exec |
| 06:03.04 | dkr | haha |
| 06:03.07 | Deeps | Tametomo: rebooting wouldn't help them anyway, it doesn't autologin |
| 06:03.28 | Tametomo | Good. You've at least got that secure. ;) |
| 06:03.45 | Deeps | i just need a reasonable way to lock my screen which doesn't involve installing masses of stuff |
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| 06:04.01 | Tramp | rue_linshop: and preferably first with -exec echo ... , then without the echo. |
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| 06:04.24 | Tametomo | Are you using Gnome? |
| 06:04.48 | Tametomo | If so, try ctrl+alt+L |
| 06:04.53 | eradiate | how do i just update security packages? |
| 06:04.58 | Deeps | me? lol no |
| 06:05.03 | Deeps | xorg + wm2 |
| 06:05.08 | Tametomo | Yeah, me neither |
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| 06:05.20 | Tametomo | But hey, quite a few people do. Hence why I asked. |
| 06:05.23 | Deeps | gnome and lightweight do not go together |
| 06:05.50 | Tametomo | I've been leaning towards LXDE. |
| 06:06.07 | xuser | Deeps: install dwm-tools, use slock |
| 06:06.38 | Deeps | mm, suckless. shoulda thought of them already |
| 06:06.40 | Deeps | xuser: ta |
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| 06:07.20 | Deeps | xuser: perfect, thank you |
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| 06:07.41 | dkr | ok, so i guess you can't exactly do it with just chmod. you can only do execute for just dirs. chmod -R a+rwX |
| 06:08.04 | dkr | although if you are making dirs 777, migh as well make the files 666 ;) |
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| 06:08.15 | Tametomo | Like I said, make it into a perl script. ;) |
| 06:08.17 | eradiate | anyone here uses openoffice? |
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| 06:08.26 | dkr | nah, the find solution is fine |
| 06:08.41 | dkr | the +X is pretty nifty, though, not many people aware of it |
| 06:08.44 | dkr | to chmod, I mean |
| 06:09.23 | eradiate | that's not documented is it? |
| 06:09.27 | dkr | eradiate: ask a less silly question |
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| 06:09.33 | dkr | eradiate: of course it is. in man chmod |
| 06:10.27 | dkr | re: silly question. I was obviously referring to whethre anyone uses oo |
| 06:10.27 | eradiate | ehh really i don't see it as an option.. |
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| 06:10.46 | dkr | eradiate: yeah, it is kind of buried in the text |
| 06:11.01 | dkr | execute/search only if the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user (X |
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| 06:11.44 | Deeps | next question: is it possible to setup a hotkey combination to trigger a particular application through X, or is that a feature of the window manager? ie, ctrl+alt+L to trigger slock? |
| 06:11.53 | dkr | yes, and yes |
| 06:12.00 | eradiate | oh i see now thanks for pointing it out |
| 06:12.10 | eradiate | i was just skimming the highlights |
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| 06:16.06 | Tametomo | To be honest, I don't really hold much hope for OpenOffice, now that Oracle bought Sun. |
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| 06:16.40 | Tametomo | Heck, they moved Solaris back to closed source. They might just do the same thing with OpenOffice.org, which was mostly developed by Sun throughout its whole life. |
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| 06:17.12 | Tametomo | Maybe I'm just being paranoid there, but Oracle traditionally hasn't been all that open source friendly. |
| 06:17.31 | Deeps | sun already has a closed version of openoffice called staroffice |
| 06:17.38 | Tametomo | I know |
| 06:17.59 | Tametomo | Hence why I think that Oracle might choose to shut down the openoffice branch of it. |
| 06:18.03 | rumpsy | closed version in the sense? |
| 06:18.42 | Tametomo | There's some extra features with StarOffice that weren't present in OpenOffice, even though the code was mostly the same underneath. |
| 06:19.05 | Tametomo | Mostly clip art and extra locale supports, if I remember right. |
| 06:19.28 | Tametomo | And StarOffice was something you did have to pay for. |
| 06:20.34 | Deeps | it was about as rubbish as OOo too |
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| 06:22.15 | Tametomo | Yeah, but I can see Oracle trying to monetize it, especially since it was just Sun giving away parts of their proprietary program anyways. |
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| 06:23.31 | Tametomo | The writer portion was alright, but the rest was really horrible. |
| 06:23.54 | Tametomo | Fairly easy sometimes to see that that's where a lot of the effort seemed to be put into it. |
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| 06:27.29 | halfie | hi, I am running an NFS server on a box having 16GB of RAM. How do I make my machine use that RAM for NFS-cache? |
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| 06:28.15 | Tametomo | You're running a 64-bit OS, right? Otherwise, you might not be able to address all of that. |
| 06:28.22 | halfie | yes of course |
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| 06:29.04 | Tametomo | Alright, fair enough. Thought I'd try to go for the obvious changes at first. ;) |
| 06:29.17 | halfie | right now I can saturate 1gbit connection with 1 client ... but for multiple clients the performance sucks! .. having a cache on NFS server will fix this problem |
| 06:29.39 | halfie | my traffic is read-only |
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| 06:31.56 | Tametomo | Well, I dunno much about running my own NFS, but here's a Debian guide that might help: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Network_Image_Server |
| 06:32.10 | Tametomo | I'm reading through it at the moment to see if it addresses your question specifically. |
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| 06:33.15 | Bohemian | how do i stop an init.d script from starting on startup? |
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| 06:34.20 | Tametomo | Well, would you like to still have it? |
| 06:34.37 | Tametomo | Cause the most obvious answer I can think of is to delete the script. |
| 06:34.40 | Bohemian | Tametomo: maybe in the future, but for now, no, i don't want the init script |
| 06:34.47 | Bohemian | so renaming would be fine, or moving to another folder |
| 06:34.54 | Bohemian | well, where are the scripts located? |
| 06:35.00 | Bohemian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.37 | prince_jammys | man update-rc.d , examples included. |
| 06:35.38 | Tametomo | Actually, I'd have to reflect on that again. I think I might have been thinking of scripts like cron jobs. |
| 06:36.15 | Tametomo | Ah, much better than what I was thinking of. |
| 06:37.43 | Tametomo | BTW, is Debian going to move away from sysvinit after Squeeze comes out? It seems to be going the way of the dinosaur, like HAL has. |
| 06:38.00 | smeag0l | i got a problem with #aptitude update and #aptitude safe-upgrade no updates shows up i am runing squeeze now i had the same problem with lenny |
| 06:38.27 | Tametomo | The main mirror's had hardware problems since the 25th. |
| 06:38.50 | Tametomo | So it'll be back up eventually. But for the time being, no packages are being pushed out, although packages can still be pushed to Debian. |
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| 06:39.04 | Tametomo | So expect a big update when the main mirror comes back up. |
| 06:39.09 | Bohemian | so: update-rc.d disable S 2 3 4 5 network-manager |
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| 06:39.12 | Bohemian | prince_jammys: ^^ |
| 06:39.15 | smeag0l | okay |
| 06:39.15 | Bohemian | ? |
| 06:39.47 | prince_jammys | update-rc.d -f network-manager remove , i would have guessed |
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| 06:40.06 | Bohemian | prince_jammys: but i just don't want it to start on default, i may want to again at some point |
| 06:40.14 | Bohemian | so wouldn't disable be the right modifer? |
| 06:40.36 | Tametomo | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg00010.html |
| 06:40.50 | Tametomo | There's a reference for you on rise.debian.org being down. |
| 06:41.00 | prince_jammys | Bohemian: i believe you can start it again later that way; only the links get removed |
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| 06:41.31 | prince_jammys | you can then ''invoke-rc.d network-manager start'' |
| 06:41.38 | Bohemian | ok |
| 06:42.11 | Bohemian | well, there goes my girlfriend's internet on her laptop |
| 06:42.12 | Bohemian | :) |
| 06:42.16 | Bohemian | thanks |
| 06:42.19 | prince_jammys | success |
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| 06:44.09 | Bohemian | she was procrastinating too much |
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| 06:44.41 | Tametomo | hehe |
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| 06:51.05 | spersaud | prince_jammys: are you from jamaica ? |
| 06:51.43 | prince_jammys | heh, no |
| 06:51.49 | prince_jammys | i'm an impostor |
| 06:52.47 | spersaud | prince_jammys: oh, |
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| 06:54.26 | prince_jammys | this vimperator firefox plugin has to be the coolest thing i've seen in a while |
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| 07:56.09 | thatsme | I created a new user using the "adduser", nwo when I switch to my new user the promp looks like this "sh-3.2$" |
| 07:56.18 | thatsme | what did I do wrong? |
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| 07:56.33 | ham5 | just a different profile file |
| 07:56.50 | ham5 | copy the one from your user if you want the same shell and prompt |
| 07:56.59 | ham5 | mainly cosmetic |
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| 07:58.11 | thatsme | thanks thats what I figured I was looking through all the "set" stuff I figured I'd post and see what I can learn this |
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| 07:59.12 | iateadonut | what's the best php front end to use with postfix? |
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| 08:00.57 | DogBoy | iateadonut, what do you need that for |
| 08:01.27 | iateadonut | easier configuration of email. |
| 08:01.32 | iateadonut | easier to make new users. |
| 08:01.38 | iateadonut | graphically and from a website. |
| 08:01.48 | iateadonut | easy to forward emails to an outside account |
| 08:01.55 | iateadonut | etc |
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| 08:04.41 | DogBoy | easier than what |
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| 08:05.54 | iateadonut | the correct answer is squirrelmail, i think. |
| 08:06.17 | nsadmin | if you knew... |
| 08:06.18 | funky | roundcube |
| 08:06.39 | funky | for the clients, postfixadmin for the admin |
| 08:06.44 | nsadmin | squirrelmail I thought is an email client |
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| 08:07.22 | DogBoy | still not sure what the question is |
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| 08:07.43 | DogBoy | I've run squirrelmail before though |
| 08:07.52 | nsadmin | he wants an easy breezy beautiful gooey gui |
| 08:08.18 | vlt | !why is t38modem not in testing |
| 08:08.18 | dpkg | t38modem is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=t38modem |
| 08:08.24 | DogBoy | well I guess we could guess about that |
| 08:08.45 | nsadmin | , versions t38modem |
| 08:08.47 | judd | t38modem -- etch: 0.8.0+20050304-4; lenny: 0.8.4-2+b1; sid: 0.8.4-2+b1 |
| 08:08.59 | nsadmin | unmaintained? |
| 08:09.04 | nsadmin | abandoned? |
| 08:09.08 | vlt | nsadmin: Can you connect to release.debian.org? |
| 08:09.21 | nsadmin | dunno :) |
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| 08:09.51 | nsadmin | maybe not |
| 08:09.57 | babilen | vlt: You know about ries, don't you? |
| 08:10.02 | nsadmin | timeout on server |
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| 08:10.21 | DogBoy | there is a postfix module for webmin too |
| 08:10.30 | DogBoy | but people get excited about webmin in here |
| 08:11.02 | DogBoy | to my mind there is no replacement for knowing what you are doing |
| 08:11.12 | DogBoy | some kind of front end is not going to give you that |
| 08:11.28 | vlt | googles "ries" |
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| 08:11.56 | nsadmin | and not knowing exactly what some front end does for each thing could be problematic in some cases |
| 08:12.19 | babilen | vlt: Take a look at #1 in the topic, and run "host release.debian.org" |
| 08:12.26 | nsadmin | but when you do know, and you do know what you're doing, gui front end isn't too bad |
| 08:12.40 | DogBoy | which in fact makes it harder rather than easier |
| 08:13.17 | iateadonut | that's a good point. |
| 08:13.20 | nsadmin | until you know it well |
| 08:13.27 | DogBoy | which based on the question and the uncertainty is not the case here |
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| 08:13.56 | iateadonut | another excellent point. |
| 08:14.02 | nsadmin | it might be easier to build your own front end, if your goal is to put something together you understand completely |
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| 08:15.09 | supastuff | hi guys, which package creates the /emul/ia32-linux/ dir? |
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| 08:15.34 | supastuff | I'm on amd64 |
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| 08:15.45 | prince_jammys | use dpkg to find out, if the dir is in your system |
| 08:15.50 | supastuff | no, its not |
| 08:15.50 | nsadmin | something creates /emul? |
| 08:16.21 | babilen | !tell supastuff about apt-file |
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| 08:16.27 | prince_jammys | apt-file, then |
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| 08:16.43 | mistrynitesh | how do I start screen automatically when starting terminal in graphical environment? |
| 08:16.53 | babilen | supastuff: You can also search on p.d.o |
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| 08:17.28 | nsadmin | mistrynitesh man bash, look for FILES section |
| 08:17.39 | supastuff | great, apt-file is very useful, thanks :) |
| 08:17.42 | babilen | supastuff: If the package is installed, use "dpkg -S PATH" |
| 08:17.50 | mistrynitesh | sudo usermod -s /usr/bin/screen <user> does not work (it causes terminal to crash immediatetly after start |
| 08:18.01 | mistrynitesh | nsadmin: will check |
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| 08:18.27 | nsadmin | set their shell to a shell first :) |
| 08:18.27 | prince_jammys | this will start screen any time you start a shell, which seems not nice |
| 08:18.57 | supastuff | ok it seems that I need package ia32-libs-libnspr4 yet its not in my sources, how can I find out which source is missing? |
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| 08:19.30 | supastuff | http://pastie.org/900034 these are my sources |
| 08:19.33 | nsadmin | so you must have installed sudo? |
| 08:20.31 | vlt | babilen: Thank you. |
| 08:20.52 | DogBoy | mistrynitesh, how do you start terminal now? |
| 08:21.09 | nsadmin | prince_jammys oooh, GOOD point |
| 08:21.39 | prince_jammys | you could make a wrapper for your custom invocation of an xterm + screen |
| 08:21.40 | mistrynitesh | DogBoy: i changed the default shell to /bin/bash from 'User & Groups' gui |
| 08:22.07 | nsadmin | there's a user and groups gui?!!? |
| 08:22.21 | prince_jammys | there's at least one, by gnome |
| 08:22.36 | prince_jammys | so i'll be damned if there isn't a K one |
| 08:23.49 | mistrynitesh | nsadmin: On the top panel System > Administration > User & Groups |
| 08:24.27 | nsadmin | so the right way to do this is not by setting user's shell to screen... and it's also not my suggestion, which (as you must have found) is to run screen in ~/.bash_profile... |
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| 08:24.46 | nsadmin | the right way is to get the terminal to run screen and a shell inside |
| 08:25.09 | nsadmin | but enough speculating. what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 08:25.22 | mistrynitesh | nsadmin: should it be .bash_profile or .bashrc? |
| 08:26.01 | nsadmin | neither, I realized my original suggestion is not the right way to do it |
| 08:26.16 | mistrynitesh | :( |
| 08:26.23 | nsadmin | the right way is to get the terminal to run screen |
| 08:26.30 | supastuff | thanks for your help |
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| 08:27.20 | mistrynitesh | hmmm... lazy me was finding a way to avoid typing screen every time i fire up a terminal window |
| 08:27.45 | nsadmin | oh, make an alias |
| 08:27.54 | ubsafder | hello how can i take a screenshot of my debian under kde& squeeze? |
| 08:27.58 | nsadmin | I would think that a lot of times you want screen -r anyway |
| 08:28.04 | prince_jammys | it may be tricky to automatically run screen, since sometimes you may want to reconnect, and there may be more than one screen running |
| 08:28.35 | ubsafder | hello how can i take a screenshot of my debian under kde& squeeze? |
| 08:28.36 | mistrynitesh | nsadmin: nope, i usually use screen on standalone pc |
| 08:29.01 | prince_jammys | ubsafder: there used to be an app ksnapshot or such, which used to come with kde. |
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| 08:29.21 | prince_jammys | several years ago :) |
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| 08:29.32 | cahoot | else use scrot? |
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| 08:29.43 | ubsafder | it is still here i will try it now thx |
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| 08:38.13 | ham5 | anyone know when gnome 2.30 will come to unstable? |
| 08:38.34 | nsadmin | when the maint wants to? |
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| 08:39.13 | streuner_ | ,versions gnome-session |
| 08:39.14 | judd | gnome-session -- etch: 2.14.3-5; lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.28.0-6; squeeze: 2.28.0-6 |
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| 08:39.57 | ham5 | ,versions gnome-core |
| 08:40.00 | judd | gnome-core -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+6; squeeze: 1:2.28+6 |
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| 08:42.08 | [Jasper] | d |
| 08:42.24 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I pin lenny to always use lenny files first |
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| 08:42.53 | babilen | [Jasper]: Don't mix stable with testing/unstable/experimental - Apart from that: Give it a higher priority |
| 08:43.01 | nsadmin | as opposed to trying to mix later dists (which isn't a good idea)? |
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| 08:43.28 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.33.1h3e ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
| 08:43.30 | ham5 | ;) |
| 08:44.05 | [Jasper] | babilen...it's not thta...I want the openvz repository to be available |
| 08:44.07 | ronr | hi, I got some files that I think are ms sql server files (.mdf, .ldf), does debian have any tools i can use to read these file (maybe make some sql dump for mysql, sqlite or something)? |
| 08:44.12 | [Jasper] | but they have some overlapping files...with lnny |
| 08:44.48 | babilen | [Jasper]: As I said: Pin the openvz repositories to a priority < lenny |
| 08:45.51 | nsadmin | overlapping files? well I'm sure you know you have to be careful with that |
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| 08:47.07 | [Jasper] | nsadmin...that's why I only want the packages from openvz which are NOT in lenny |
| 08:47.42 | babilen | !tell [Jasper] about pinning |
| 08:48.16 | [Jasper] | I'm gonna do this otherwise.. |
| 08:48.25 | babilen | [Jasper]: The output of "apt-cache policy" should also be interested. Note that third-party packages are not supported in here, so you have to contact upstream if you run into problems |
| 08:48.37 | babilen | s/interested/interesting |
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| 08:51.31 | babilen | [Jasper]: I would /join #openvz and discuss their installation instructions for Debian (http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian) with them. |
| 08:52.16 | [Jasper] | ok thanks babilen |
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| 08:52.41 | babilen | [Jasper]: Good luck :) |
| 08:53.00 | [Jasper] | I'll need it :P |
| 08:53.21 | babilen | [Jasper]: If you want i'll take a look at your "apt-cache policy" output (as it is configured now) |
| 08:53.59 | babilen | [Jasper]: If you want me to, paste it to http://paste.debian.net and ping me |
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| 08:58.51 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 09:04.18 | superlinux | I just want someone to help me in letting a java based software access my device as normal user. the software is obexftp-frontend. I can access my telephone over the USB as root. device file is /dev/ttyACM0. my normal user "oracle" belongs to the group "dialout", the group of ttyACM0. still cannot access the phone through "oracle". please help. |
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| 09:05.34 | jelly | superlinux: you have to log out and back in for the newly added groups to become active |
| 09:05.49 | superlinux | jelly, I did so. |
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| 09:06.26 | jelly | superlinux: does othe software work as that user? eg. minicom? |
| 09:06.31 | superlinux | i am thinking of giving g+x permission to /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 09:06.54 | superlinux | jelly, cannot tell |
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| 09:07.07 | jelly | superlinux: uh, try it? |
| 09:07.12 | superlinux | i will have to test |
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| 09:08.09 | chomwitt | trying to install testing from a iso dvd after asking me about aptchanges and where should be mailed i get a failed installation ! In terminal i see a warning about pkgsel failed |
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| 09:11.08 | elnur | Is it better to place my web apps into /srv or /var/www ? |
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| 09:13.03 | lmns972 | hello everybody |
| 09:13.18 | lmns972 | to start the day I broke my apt, but I do not see how to solve it. When I do an apt-get-f install it wants to uninstall arff |
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| 09:13.48 | lmns972 | http://paste.debian.net/67114/ |
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| 09:14.07 | Chazz | Where could I find the source code for Squeeze? |
| 09:14.08 | lmns972 | if you have a idea |
| 09:14.38 | babilen | !tell lmns972 -about localized errors |
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| 09:14.42 | cahoot | lmns972: mixing versions of debian? |
| 09:14.42 | babilen | !tell lmns972 -about bat |
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| 09:14.53 | superlinux | jelly, it says : AT S7=45 S0=0 L1 V1 X4 &c1 E1 Q0 (new line) OK |
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| 09:15.05 | superlinux | I donno the AT commands that much |
| 09:15.14 | babilen | lmns972: Please provide all applicable information mentioned by dpkg in the "bat" factoid as well |
| 09:15.43 | lmns972 | Chazz I wanted to test a package to compare it to lenny |
| 09:15.59 | babilen | Chazz: What do you mean exactly? Do you want to be able to retrieve source packages from squeeze? |
| 09:16.03 | superlinux | it did work |
| 09:16.17 | Chazz | babilen, no, I want the source for the operating system. |
| 09:16.19 | superlinux | I just tested AT D="some number" |
| 09:16.26 | lmns972 | cahoot, yes i use a lenny |
| 09:16.35 | babilen | lmns972: Please provide the information I asked about and tell us what you have done so far. |
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| 09:17.03 | babilen | Chazz: What do you mean by operating system? Do you want to take a look at the kernel source? |
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| 09:18.37 | elnur | Is it better to place my web apps into /srv/www or /var/www ? |
| 09:19.00 | lmns972 | babilen, I do not understand what you want me to do |
| 09:19.06 | babilen | !bat |
| 09:19.06 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:19.10 | babilen | lmns972: ^^^^^^ |
| 09:19.28 | superlinux | elnur, put them in an unusual folder name |
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| 09:19.30 | Chazz | babilen, the *entire* Debian OS (Squeeze), I want the source code for it. Not just a package, not just the Linux kernel, the source for the entire thing. |
| 09:19.32 | babilen | lmns972: Especially "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2 ..." |
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| 09:20.02 | babilen | Chazz: You want the source code for the kernel and *ALL* programs? |
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| 09:21.03 | lmns972 | babilen, oki |
| 09:21.15 | [Jasper] | babilen I have one last question...I see two versions...drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-openvz-686 and drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 ...how can I find out which is newer= |
| 09:21.45 | Chazz | Ok, let me try to rephraise this. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/source/iso-cd/ <--That is the source CD download for Debian Lenny. I want that, but I want a version for Squeeze. Where could I locate something of that nature? |
| 09:22.15 | babilen | [Jasper]: I would think that "drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686" is a metapackage that depends on the newest available openvz module package (i.e. drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-openvz-686) |
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| 09:22.34 | [Jasper] | yes me too |
| 09:22.37 | [Jasper] | let's hope that is correct :p |
| 09:22.39 | babilen | [Jasper]: Run "apt-cache depends drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686" and "apt-cache show drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686" |
| 09:22.57 | babilen | ,depends drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 |
| 09:22.58 | judd | drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 -- depends: drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-openvz-686, linux-latest-modules-2.6.26-2-openvz-686. |
| 09:23.13 | babilen | ,info drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 |
| 09:23.15 | judd | drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 (admin, optional): RAID 1 over TCP/IP for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. Version: 2:2.6.26-6+lenny1; Size: 4.3k; Installed: 32k |
| 09:23.42 | [Jasper] | 2.6.26-6 vs 2.6.26.2 / |
| 09:24.22 | [Jasper] | it depends on eachother..so should be fine |
| 09:24.46 | babilen | [Jasper]: -N is the version of the *Debian* package, not the version of the packaged application/program/kernel/.../yadda |
| 09:26.07 | babilen | [Jasper]: And as they are two different packages, they can differ in their version ... Just install drbd8-modules-2.6-openvz-686 and you should be fine |
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| 09:29.05 | lmns972 | babilen, here all the information, I hope that this is |
| 09:29.37 | lmns972 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/67119/ |
| 09:30.45 | babilen | lmns972: I doubt that your initial command was "apt-get -f install" - What are you trying to do? |
| 09:31.16 | babilen | lmns972: It also looks as if you removed the "gnome" metapackage and aptitude scheduled the removal of a couple of packages. Correct? |
| 09:31.58 | babilen | lmns972: So, what is wrong with the proposed actions? |
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| 09:32.49 | lmns972 | babilen, I have not deleted for the time |
| 09:32.57 | babilen | !tell lmns972 about install gnome |
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| 09:33.19 | babilen | lmns972: What is wrong with the proposed actions? What do you dislike about them? |
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| 09:35.28 | superlinux | I just want someone to help me in letting a java based software access my device as normal user. the software is obexftp-frontend. I can access my telephone over the USB as root. device file is /dev/ttyACM0. my normal user "oracle" belongs to the group "dialout", the group of ttyACM0. still cannot access the phone through "oracle". please help. |
| 09:36.03 | lmns972 | babilen, I never said I do not like the proposals, but the trouble is that I can not install |
| 09:36.08 | superlinux | minicom by the way can dial through the modem |
| 09:36.47 | babilen | lmns972: Install what? ldap-utils slapd libldap-2.4-2 are already installed |
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| 09:37.22 | superlinux | ok done, though i disliked it |
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| 09:38.31 | superlinux | the program is just a front-end. it just executes the command obexftp. i had to do "chmod +s obexftp" I just hate it |
| 09:38.47 | superlinux | can i do it without +s? |
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| 09:39.01 | hellyeah | hey |
| 09:39.11 | hellyeah | my friend sends a file to me via bluetooth |
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| 09:39.17 | hellyeah | i am using gpe-bluetooth |
| 09:39.22 | hellyeah | but i cannot find the file |
| 09:39.23 | babilen | !enter |
| 09:39.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:39.27 | hellyeah | what does it hold |
| 09:39.30 | hellyeah | sorry for enter |
| 09:39.39 | Gijs | guys i need help |
| 09:39.50 | Gijs | i am using to much traffic this month |
| 09:39.55 | lmns972 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/67121/ |
| 09:39.59 | Gijs | and i need to know wich process is using so much traffic |
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| 09:40.05 | Gijs | Can anybody help me with that? |
| 09:40.15 | Gijs | to find out wich process is using alot of bandwidth? |
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| 09:40.54 | lmns972 | babilen, I wanted to uninstall the old packages slapd unsuccessfully it asks me to do an apt-get-f install |
| 09:41.18 | babilen | lmns972: You are trying to install third-party packages. Please contact upstream for support with their packages. What is wrong with the slapd as shipped by Debian? |
| 09:41.21 | lmns972 | babilen, the same for ldap-utils |
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| 09:42.16 | babilen | ,versions libgssapi-krb5-2 |
| 09:42.17 | judd | libgssapi-krb5-2 -- sid: 1.8+dfsg~alpha1-7; squeeze: 1.8+dfsg~alpha1-7 |
| 09:42.38 | babilen | lmns972: The packages you are trying to use are *not* for Debian lenny |
| 09:43.01 | babilen | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 09:43.02 | judd | libssl0.9.8 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; sid: 0.9.8m-2; squeeze: 0.9.8m-2 |
| 09:43.04 | Mowee | Hi :3 |
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| 09:44.08 | babilen | lmns972: Why are you using unsupported third-party packages for the wrong Debian release? What is wrong with slapd as shipped by Debian in lenny? |
| 09:44.20 | lmns972 | babilen, it seems that the packages are to squeeze |
| 09:44.23 | babilen | ,versions slapd |
| 09:44.26 | judd | slapd -- etch: 2.3.30-5+etch2; etch-security: 2.3.30-5+etch3; lenny: 2.4.11-1; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny1; sid: 2.4.17-2.1; squeeze: 2.4.17-2.1 |
| 09:44.40 | babilen | lmns972: Yes, they are |
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| 09:45.17 | nwoaik | anyone using kernel 2.6.32 here? |
| 09:45.38 | babilen | !anyone |
| 09:45.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 09:45.59 | Gijs | Can anybody help me? |
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| 09:46.32 | lmns972 | babilen, I had a lot of trouble with the integration of SSL with slapd not provide debian, I read some places that openssl was poorly managed and only recently debian uses GnuTLS for ldap here are the reasons |
| 09:46.38 | nwoaik | don't agree. i have been asking question straight away many times only to find it is a waste of time. |
| 09:46.53 | nwoaik | Gijs: i can. |
| 09:47.03 | nwoaik | now, next question. |
| 09:47.07 | lmns972 | babilen, So how I can fix my problem? |
| 09:47.15 | lmns972 | babilen, no solution |
| 09:47.52 | nwoaik | that is why it is better to ask if anyone is familiar with what you want to ask first. |
| 09:48.34 | nwoaik | you ask a long question and all you get is silence. |
| 09:49.17 | nwoaik | seems like only novice is around now. |
| 09:49.20 | babilen | lmns972: I am not intimately familiar with slapd, so I am not sure *what* you are missing in the packages shipped in lenny. You could try to backport the packages from squeeze (/msg dpkg ssb), or change the way the lenny packages are compiled (/msg dpkg recompile package) ... If you *want* to use the unsupported packages you've tried to install -> upgrade to squeeze and contact whoever made these packages for support. |
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| 09:49.43 | babilen | lmns972: did you run into problems with the slapd packages in lenny? |
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| 09:50.28 | babilen | lmns972: But I definitely wouldn't run squeeze on a production system - especially not one that is used for authentication/authorisation |
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| 09:51.44 | lmns972 | babilen, For the moment it's just testing:) |
| 09:52.27 | Gijs | so can anybody help me with my traffic problem? |
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| 09:53.18 | babilen | lmns972: What is wrong with the packages in lenny? Did you run into problems? Have you files bugs about these problems? |
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| 09:53.34 | babilen | s/files/filed |
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| 09:53.51 | iateadonut | Gijs - i think maybe vnstat could help. |
| 09:54.01 | GaryvdM | Hi. Where would be a good channel to ask questions about dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 09:54.08 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I format a disk to xfs? do I need to instal xfs administrative utilities for this? |
| 09:54.13 | iateadonut | i'm not sure. i'd start by googling "bandwidth monitor debian" |
| 09:54.16 | [Jasper] | i thought it would come kinda standard with the syste? |
| 09:54.27 | Gijs | but i need the see the process wich is using that much |
| 09:54.31 | maligor | [Jasper], handled by 'mkfs.xxx' utilities |
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| 09:54.43 | maligor | mkfs.xfs in this case |
| 09:54.52 | lmns972 | babilen, no I do not get the bugs, unfortunately, but it mainly concerns with ssl |
| 09:55.00 | [Jasper] | yes that's what I thought maligor |
| 09:55.15 | [Jasper] | dl-clu01:/dev# mkfs.xfs results in bash: mkfs.xfs: command not found |
| 09:55.34 | maligor | [Jasper], xfsprogs: /sbin/mkfs.xfs |
| 09:56.40 | iateadonut | maybe ntop? |
| 09:57.26 | Gijs | i just need something like htop but then for bandwidth |
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| 09:58.35 | iateadonut | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/networktools1.htm |
| 09:58.52 | iateadonut | ntop is supposed to give a lot more information than vnstat |
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| 09:59.55 | Gijs | ntop doesnt works for me |
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| 10:03.21 | Gijs | here |
| 10:03.28 | Gijs | if i start ntop i see this: |
| 10:03.28 | Gijs | http://gfdfgdfgdfg.pastebin.com/h3cewvG0 |
| 10:03.43 | smhar | !fix-mbr |
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| 10:03.50 | Gijs | ? |
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| 10:04.10 | smhar | !fix-grub |
| 10:04.50 | Gijs | just tell me what to do please |
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| 10:06.46 | Gijs | if i use -P / i get this: http://gfdfgdfgdfg.pastebin.com/6SE0g26s |
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| 10:07.27 | StefanNet | hey i have some problem -.- |
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| 10:07.36 | Gijs | oh i see |
| 10:07.38 | Gijs | ntop is running |
| 10:07.39 | Gijs | and now? |
| 10:07.43 | StefanNet | When i adduser in server he can do cd .. and read all server |
| 10:08.00 | StefanNet | How to stop him to do it? so only to read in his main dir?? |
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| 10:08.29 | StefanNet | ? |
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| 10:08.53 | StefanNet | Can someone help me? |
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| 10:11.08 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.05 | elnur | Is it better to place my web apps into /srv/www or /var/www ? |
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| 10:21.48 | shylent | anyone using intel solutions with multipath i/o? debian seems to lack dm_intel.ko in any of its packages :/ |
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| 10:27.17 | jelly | shylent: storage vendors typically offer a multipath.conf and/or drivers to go with their hardware |
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| 10:28.12 | jelly | shylent: if there's no dm-intel.ko in Debian, that likely means it's not present in kernel upstream at all |
| 10:28.25 | Gijs | so anybody? |
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| 10:30.04 | kavakava | Anyone here having problems with sun-java6-plugin and Iceweasel on Squeeze? Both are from the Debians official repository. Works on Opera. |
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| 10:39.29 | Gijs | is there a cmd to check wich is running on what ip? |
| 10:39.39 | Gijs | so like i wanna see wich is running on a IP |
| 10:39.41 | Gijs | wich processes |
| 10:39.47 | Gijs | is there a way to check that? |
| 10:40.00 | the-dude | Gijs: netstat -tunap |
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| 10:40.57 | jelly | !why is postfix not in testing |
| 10:40.57 | dpkg | postfix is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=postfix |
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| 10:43.11 | hramrach | Hello |
| 10:43.25 | hramrach | Why would network deconfigure itself? |
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| 10:44.48 | orflon | Hello, during the boot time I get "Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! ", and hangs for about 2.5 minutes. All the online stuff i've found are old bugs which are now fixed. Any other clues? |
| 10:44.48 | Gijs | guys what is named? |
| 10:44.52 | hramrach | hmm, actually it is configured it just does not work |
| 10:45.07 | Gijs | in netstat i see: udp 0 0 ***.**.**.**:53 0.0.0.0:* 23647/named |
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| 10:46.17 | hramrach | Gijs: name server daemon? |
| 10:46.38 | Gijs | ahh |
| 10:48.52 | hramrach | bah, I see arp requests and replies on the interface and no actual IP packets |
| 10:48.59 | shylent | jelly: hm, thanks for the insight. I would like to ask, - if there is a dm-intel.ko module, that was extracted from an .rpm (intel only supports rhel/sles), that is for 2.6.16 kernel, is there any chance at all, that it might work on 2.6.26 (lenny)? Or is it not worth the time spent? I understand, that one cannot expect this question to be answered definitively. I only want an opinion |
| 10:49.35 | hramrach | shylent: try to get teh source rpm at least |
| 10:50.26 | shylent | hramrach: I am afraid, that there is no such thing. they are not available for download on the intel site |
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| 10:51.07 | shylent | to be honest, this is extremely annoying, that quite a number of vendors chose to support red hat exclusively :/ |
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| 10:52.49 | jelly | shylent: there's no way it would work. |
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| 10:53.40 | jelly | shylent: you'll have to try make dm-multipath work of you want to run Debian |
| 10:53.47 | jelly | of? if. |
| 10:54.03 | hramrach | shylent: if there is no source, not even a glue source then it is proprietary crap that will almost never work |
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| 10:56.09 | jelly | shylent: a lot of vendor-specific mpath stuff seems to find its way to the kernel sooner or later. Try contacting the vendor or using your google-fu to see if newer kernels already support the hardware. |
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| 11:00.25 | orflon | Hello, during the boot time I get "Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! ", and hangs for about 2.5 minutes. All the online stuff i've found are old bugs which are now fixed. Any other clues? |
| 11:01.24 | orflon | I forgot to say that I get some nfs-related "failed" messages again, and then boots normally. I'm using lenny. |
| 11:02.23 | shylent | jelly: yeah, I've used google-fu, all right :/ Maybe it is too weak, but I couldn't find any evidence of anyone running this. and regarding dm-multipath, I was under the impression that one needs *both* dm-multipath AND dm-intel for multipath i/o to work (in my particular case). At least the vendor's manual clearly states, that both modules should be loaded |
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| 11:39.25 | hyphenex | does someone want to fix mysql on my server?? I've broked it bad somehow :P mysql-server-5.1: Depends: mysql-client-5.1 (>= 5.1.44-3~bpo50+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:39.42 | babilen | !bat |
| 11:39.42 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:39.50 | babilen | hyphenex: Please provide ^^^^^ |
| 11:39.54 | Bambi_BOFH | bloody kids and their IM |
| 11:39.59 | Bambi_BOFH | feh, wrong window |
| 11:40.03 | babilen | :) |
| 11:40.12 | Bambi_BOFH | :) |
| 11:40.35 | babilen | BOFH attitude, heh? |
| 11:41.26 | Bambi_BOFH | how about i change it then? :0 |
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| 11:43.19 | hyphenex | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/67130/ :) thx |
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| 11:46.57 | babilen | hyphenex: I also need the exact command you tried to execute |
| 11:47.36 | hyphenex | babilen: http://nopaste.info/e497a3b501.html |
| 11:47.42 | babilen | hyphenex: But I guess that you forgot to follow the last instruction given at: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 11:48.13 | babilen | hyphenex: Try with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install mysql-server-5.1" |
| 11:48.15 | hyphenex | babilen: no, I'm pretty sure I followed those :) |
| 11:48.27 | hyphenex | I've not tried to install mysql on this computer for months though |
| 11:48.45 | babilen | hyphenex: No, you did not. backports would have priority 200 if you did |
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| 11:49.07 | babilen | (and you should use PostgreSQL anyway) :) |
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| 11:49.24 | hyphenex | babilen: nahh, I like mysql |
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| 11:50.32 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have some ip routing rules set up (two routing tables to combine between two ISPs). However, when I do `ping somehost` I always get time=0.000ms no matter which host I ping. In fact the delay exists. How do I fix that? |
| 11:50.37 | hyphenex | babilen: actually, I must not have :\ that appears to have done the trick. Thanks :) |
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| 11:51.12 | babilen | hyphenex: You are welcome - and remember that you have to specify "-t lenny-backports" whenever you want to install packages from bpo |
| 11:51.34 | babilen | Have a nice day |
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| 11:51.36 | babilen | !next |
| 11:51.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 11:51.55 | hid3 | !previous |
| 11:51.59 | hyphenex | bpo?? |
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| 11:52.10 | babilen | hyphenex: bpo == backports |
| 11:52.27 | hid3 | hey, what does the 'next' do? |
| 11:52.37 | hid3 | I want to use it too! |
| 11:52.45 | wols_ | hid3: it helps babilen to relieve the pressure |
| 11:52.56 | wols_ | otherwise, sooner or later he would exploder |
| 11:52.57 | wols_ | -r |
| 11:53.05 | babilen | haha |
| 11:53.10 | hid3 | heh.. |
| 11:53.39 | hid3 | No one has seen anything similar to my issue? It screws up my Nagios statistics! |
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| 11:57.53 | stuckey | How do I make an alias in squeeze? Do I add it to .bash_profile? |
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| 11:59.03 | pngwn | stuckey, I use .bashrc |
| 11:59.21 | stuckey | pngwn: .bashrc says to use .bash_aliases, putting stuff in .bash_aliases didn't work for me. |
| 11:59.26 | stuckey | I give the command, it says command not found. |
| 11:59.40 | pngwn | log out and back in |
| 11:59.43 | stuckey | okay |
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| 12:01.35 | stuckey | Still doesn't work |
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| 12:02.42 | stuckey | Did you mean logout of X or logout the user? |
| 12:02.52 | stuckey | I might should have tried both. |
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| 12:03.19 | stuckey | Yeah, logging out the user doesn't work either. |
| 12:03.25 | stuckey | I type my command, and it says "command not found" |
| 12:03.42 | stuckey | Even though it is in ~/.bash_aliases, per ~/.bashrc |
| 12:03.43 | stuckey | Damn it |
| 12:05.45 | nkuttler | stuckey: what is your 'command'? |
| 12:05.54 | stuckey | nkuttler: "syncbox" |
| 12:06.05 | nkuttler | what does that have to do with an alias? |
| 12:06.12 | stuckey | nkuttler: calls scp |
| 12:06.18 | nkuttler | stuckey: what is your 'command'? |
| 12:06.30 | nkuttler | how do you define the alias? |
| 12:06.30 | stuckey | nkuttler: ? |
| 12:06.33 | stuckey | oh |
| 12:06.39 | stuckey | alias syncbox='scp' |
| 12:07.11 | nkuttler | and what do you type that triggers the error? |
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| 12:07.17 | stuckey | nkuttler: syncbox |
| 12:07.28 | nkuttler | which shell do you use? |
| 12:07.33 | stuckey | nkuttler: bash |
| 12:08.11 | nkuttler | stuckey: try #bash |
| 12:08.21 | valdyn | stuckey: run alias, see if your alias is listed |
| 12:08.23 | stuckey | nkuttler: How? |
| 12:08.43 | stuckey | valdyn: not listed |
| 12:09.10 | nkuttler | stuckey: *where* did you write alias syncbox='scp' ? |
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| 12:09.16 | valdyn | stuckey: run "source ~/.bash_aliases" |
| 12:09.22 | valdyn | stuckey: is it listed then? |
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| 12:09.28 | iceroot | stuckey: if you put it in ~/.bashrc or other files of course you have to run "source ~/.bashrc" after you added that line |
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| 12:10.17 | stuckey | Yep |
| 12:10.33 | stuckey | It now works :) |
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| 12:11.26 | valdyn | stuckey: now you either didnt relog after adding the alias or your .bashrc does not actually source .bash_aliases |
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| 12:12.22 | stuckey | It's gone again... |
| 12:12.26 | stuckey | I logged out and back in and now it isn't there. |
| 12:12.46 | stuckey | Do I need to add "source ~/.bash_alises" to my ~/.bash_rc? |
| 12:13.08 | valdyn | stuckey: the code is in there already, but commented out by default |
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| 12:15.20 | stuckey | valdyn: I really have to uncomment it? |
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| 12:21.12 | elfakyn | quick question about AVI thumbnails: does GNOME use a thumbnailer or is it embedded into the file itself? |
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| 12:21.48 | elfakyn | tried searching and came up empty |
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| 12:25.58 | elfakyn | nevermind, found it (totem-video-thumbnailer) |
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| 12:42.58 | rumpsy | who is responsible for dpkg bot here |
| 12:43.34 | rumpsy | i'm having some request for him |
| 12:43.41 | abrotman | rumpsy: you're not going to be unbanned from the bot |
| 12:44.28 | rumpsy | abrotman: ya, sure coz i'm not doing any bad here, but this bot is not replying to me |
| 12:44.44 | abrotman | because you've been banned from using the bot because you kept abusing the bot |
| 12:45.25 | rumpsy | i was once, its been 5-6 months |
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| 12:45.42 | rumpsy | still i'm banned to use bot |
| 12:46.52 | rumpsy | so can you make me free here |
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| 12:47.29 | abrotman | bye |
| 12:47.46 | rumpsy | abrotman: what |
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| 12:47.58 | abrotman | rumpsy: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 12:48.23 | rumpsy | abrotman: omg, i want to know a package name that should track my internet usage |
| 12:48.33 | abrotman | and what does the bot have to do with that? |
| 12:49.24 | rumpsy | abrotman: only once i did wrong, but i can't able ask any question to bot for the past 5-6 months |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | and "internet usage" is vague |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | rumpsy: you abused the bot for days, and we asked you to stop .. tough .. now ask your real question |
| 12:50.24 | rumpsy | i'm having limited internet usage, so i want to track it, if not my bill be more than i use |
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| 12:50.53 | abrotman | so you want to track your total bandwidth usage? maybe something like bandwidthd |
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| 12:51.08 | rumpsy | yes you are right, abrotman |
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| 12:51.53 | rumpsy | it can track my daily internet usage |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:52.19 | Titan8990 | suggests a DD-WRT router |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | !search |
| 12:52.22 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 12:52.39 | rumpsy | But better idea is to track my total bandwidth usage |
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| 12:54.08 | rumpsy | abrotman: is that your answer |
| 12:54.13 | rumpsy | omg |
| 12:54.18 | liquidxd | hi guys |
| 12:54.24 | abrotman | i gave you an answer .. you didn't read it, not my fault |
| 12:54.25 | Solifugus | How can I change my screen size (xorg) to 1024x768? |
| 12:54.31 | abrotman | Solifugus: xrandr |
| 12:54.58 | Solifugus | abrotman: what's xrandr? |
| 12:55.13 | abrotman | Solifugus: it's a program .. which video card are you using? and which video driver? |
| 12:55.25 | Solifugus | abrotman: it's in a virtual box vm |
| 12:55.35 | Solifugus | whatever the guest tools installed |
| 12:55.49 | rumpsy | abrotman: sorry, i can't see it, where it is? . . . |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | isn't that a special vbox video driver? |
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| 12:56.05 | Solifugus | abrotman: yes.. i think it is. |
| 12:56.23 | Solifugus | but it makes my vm console window larger than my host machine's.. making it hard to work with |
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| 12:56.51 | abrotman | Solifugus: open a terminal and type "xrandr" and see what it lists for possible resolutions |
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| 12:57.16 | wols_ | if I set my resolution with xrandr, how does X know to use the newly set one after a restart? ie where is it saved? |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | wols_: by itself, it isn't IIRC, so you can permanently alter it with some tool (depending on your WM/DE) or set it permanently in xorg.conf |
| 12:58.27 | wols_ | then "use xrandr" is a shitty advice imho |
| 12:58.30 | Solifugus | abrotman: it has a bunch of resolutions... probably 1280x768 will work.. i am reading the man page now to try and figure out how to set it... (if xrandr can also do that) |
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| 12:59.07 | abrotman | wols_: he didn't say permanently? |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | Solifugus: if you are using kde/gnome, they have utilities to do it permanently .. not sure about others |
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| 12:59.28 | wols_ | it's very much implied if his current res sucks |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | wols_: i'd guess you could put it in your xinitrc, but i've not tried this (not a great work around either) |
| 13:00.28 | wols_ | the best place still is our semideprecated xorg.conf |
| 13:01.05 | Solifugus | abrotman: sure.. i am using the default gnome.. need to hunt down a utility, i guess.. xrandr --fb 1280x768 gave an error saying it isn't big enough for window VBox |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | wols_: i don't think it's deprecated, just normally not needed |
| 13:02.02 | abrotman | Solifugus: System->Preferences->Display .. it runs 'gnome-display-properties' |
| 13:02.15 | wols_ | it is deprecated since it's made harder and harder to use |
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| 13:02.44 | Solifugus | abrotman: it was System->preferences->screen resolution (don't know why i didn't see that, earlier..) |
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| 13:03.37 | Solifugus | looks great.. much better to work with.... |
| 13:04.05 | Solifugus | real debian is almost as easy as ubuntu... i am impressed. |
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| 13:04.38 | hramrach | abrotman: actually xorg.conf is deprecated. Whenever something goes wrong they ask if it is reproducible without xorg.conf :-S |
| 13:04.39 | abrotman | you'd have used the same utility i think .. |
| 13:05.05 | abrotman | hramrach: that doesn't make it deprecated, that means they trust their autoguessing more than your ability to munge a conf file :) |
| 13:05.32 | d1b | hio im tring to work out why groovy was packaged into contrib and not main when it was done so |
| 13:05.41 | d1b | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268029 ---> i can't seem to work it out ... |
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| 13:06.04 | wols_ | DimmuR: cause it depends on java probably. which means up until very recently it was dependent on non free software |
| 13:06.19 | d1b | wols_: you mean me right? |
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| 13:06.26 | d1b | well it is free now! |
| 13:07.10 | d1b | i don't see the issue now ... |
| 13:07.19 | d1b | it says it doesn't need the sun jvm |
| 13:07.42 | hramrach | abrotman: many things cannot be set up in the config file at all anymore |
| 13:07.47 | wols_ | d1b: in sid, it's in main |
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| 13:08.13 | d1b | oh? |
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| 13:08.28 | draeath | I hate to ask, but is anyone else having trouble reading http://release.debian.org/ ? |
| 13:08.29 | d1b | oh so it is |
| 13:08.33 | d1b | ^^ |
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| 13:09.03 | abrotman | draeath: it's hosted on ries .. see /topic |
| 13:09.47 | d1b | abrotman: i don't see anything about it in the topic |
| 13:10.00 | d1b | isn't ftp master down or some such |
| 13:10.02 | draeath | ah. didn't know what that was about |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | d1b: the very first item |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | draeath: it's hosted on ries .. see /topic |
| 13:10.22 | d1b | oh right |
| 13:10.22 | abrotman | wait .. did i get it backwards ? |
| 13:10.35 | abrotman | too many d* nicks! |
| 13:10.41 | draeath | lol |
| 13:11.25 | hramrach | btw how does xrandr not set the resolution permanently? It stays the same until the machine crashes or something |
| 13:11.25 | d1b | right. |
| 13:11.25 | draeath | well the /topic didn't tell me anything about the release subdomain :PO |
| 13:11.25 | d1b | abrotman: damn it! |
| 13:11.25 | d1b | right. |
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| 13:11.25 | abrotman | hramrach: til the xserver gets restarted IIRC |
| 13:11.26 | d1b | any eta on a restore :P ? |
| 13:11.27 | hramrach | why would you do that ? |
| 13:11.43 | hramrach | .. unless it crashes, obviously |
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| 13:11.50 | abrotman | hramrach: change users/logout? |
| 13:11.54 | d1b | hramrach: reboot... |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | d1b: it's been down a few days, not sure |
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| 13:12.36 | hramrach | why would you reboot? or log in as different users on a virtual machine? |
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| 13:12.50 | d1b | hramrach: ... troll? |
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| 13:13.24 | abrotman | hramrach: people do weird things ? |
| 13:13.25 | nifty | which module handles USB devices? |
| 13:13.55 | hramrach | nifty: which devices |
| 13:13.56 | wols_ | nifty: lots of different ones |
| 13:14.56 | nifty | is it possible to unplug and plug an USB device, without actually unplugging it from the PCB? |
| 13:15.12 | nifty | a reset of sorts |
| 13:15.53 | lindi- | nifty: you can tell an USB hub to toggle its power |
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| 13:16.03 | yermandu | jows, can someone help me, my mic is mute |
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| 13:16.17 | lindi- | nifty: all usb 2.0 hubs are required to support it and some usb 1.1 hubs do it too |
| 13:16.18 | hramrach | nifty: yes, unloading the module usually helps |
| 13:16.21 | hramrach | but you have to know which device to know the module |
| 13:16.32 | yermandu | sometimes when i make a new installation this happens. |
| 13:17.00 | yermandu | i try use arecord but notthin is recorded |
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| 13:17.53 | _bella_ | hi |
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| 13:18.40 | hramrach | yermandu: arecord has something to do with alsa? |
| 13:19.02 | nifty | So I have to rmmod and modprobe the device's specific module in order to reset it? |
| 13:19.20 | lindi- | nifty: that will not cut power to the device |
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| 13:19.41 | yermandu | hramrach: arecord is a alsa tool to record song from mic |
| 13:19.43 | nifty | lindi-: how can power be cut /without unplugging it from the port/ |
| 13:19.46 | lindi- | nifty: so the device won't actually be reset at least electronically |
| 13:19.51 | lindi- | nifty: yes, by asking the HUB to do it |
| 13:19.57 | mezod | _bella_ is a spambot |
| 13:20.14 | d1b | mezod: oh? |
| 13:20.20 | d1b | _bella_: go away |
| 13:20.25 | nifty | lindi-: sorry for being noob-ish, how do I tell my hub to do it? |
| 13:20.43 | mezod | d1b oh what? im just saying it |
| 13:20.57 | d1b | mezod: was wondering how you knew |
| 13:21.00 | lindi- | nifty: www.gniibe.org/software/hub-ctrl.c i think |
| 13:21.03 | lindi- | not sure if it is in debian |
| 13:21.16 | hramrach | yermandu: then I am not surprised that it does not work |
| 13:21.17 | hramrach | but you can look in alsamixer at your recording settings, perhaps the record device is muted or you are recording something other than the mic |
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| 13:21.23 | d1b | lindi-: that doesn't work properly |
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| 13:21.29 | mezod | d1b try /hop |
| 13:22.15 | nifty | lindi-: there are no system modules to do the power-toggling ? |
| 13:22.25 | yermandu | hramrach: the mic is in high volume |
| 13:22.42 | d1b | nifty: there isn't |
| 13:22.48 | lindi- | d1b: really? |
| 13:22.58 | hramrach | yermandu: and is it in high volume for *recording* and set as the recording device? |
| 13:23.00 | lindi- | d1b: it worked for me last time i needed it |
| 13:23.07 | d1b | lindi-: i tried it ages ago. when playing with this usb lcd thing. it doesn't always work |
| 13:23.26 | lindi- | d1b: did you have a usb 2.0 hub? |
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| 13:23.37 | wols_ | nifty: maybe you should tell us what your actual problem is |
| 13:24.03 | hramrach | yermandu: also some cards have multiple mic inputs (front/back panel) |
| 13:24.21 | d1b | lindi-: yes. |
| 13:24.34 | d1b | my hub might have been special ^^ |
| 13:24.36 | lindi- | d1b: odd |
| 13:24.37 | yermandu | let me see, one moment the child is crying |
| 13:24.45 | lindi- | d1b: afaik usb 2.0 hubs are required to support it |
| 13:24.54 | lindi- | d1b: and usb 1.1 hubs weren't |
| 13:25.05 | d1b | ah maybe it is a usb 1.1 hub |
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| 13:26.24 | nifty | The broader explanation is: I have a problematic USB device which fails when I rmmod its module, physically unplugging and plugging it back fixes the problem, so logically, I thought if the device's module is flawed, perhaps I could reset (if possible) the systems USB modules altogether to re-enable the device. If that makes sense to anyone.. |
| 13:27.15 | hramrach | nifty: you might be able to power down the hub to which it is connected |
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| 13:27.44 | hramrach | there are some /sys files with power settings but I did not ever try them so I have no idea how well they work |
| 13:27.50 | nifty | hramrach: command-wise? |
| 13:27.55 | lindi- | d1b: with my usb 1.1 hub '058f:6254 Alcor Micro Corp. USB Hub' issuing 'hub-ctrl -P 2' seems to cut power to my usb headset but it returns immediately |
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| 13:28.37 | d1b | ok |
| 13:28.52 | hramrach | nifty: you can also remove and reload the hub drivers but that will reset *all* devices |
| 13:29.31 | nifty | hramrach: what's the hub's module name? |
| 13:29.57 | hramrach | it depends on your usb controller, obviously |
| 13:31.17 | hramrach | on PCs these whould be uhci_hcd ohci_hcd and ehci_hcd |
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| 13:32.40 | nifty | hramrach: I have neither of these according lsmod |
| 13:32.48 | nifty | (to) |
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| 13:36.06 | aguitel | abrotman, it works |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | okay, good |
| 13:36.34 | aguitel | abrakadabra, i change the server name |
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| 13:44.26 | molgrum | i'm looking to install wine 1.1.41 in debian squeeze through the package manager |
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| 13:44.41 | abrotman | judd: versions wine |
| 13:44.43 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-2; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 13:45.12 | abrotman | molgrum: i think your only option are the packages on the winehq site, ask #winehq |
| 13:45.25 | molgrum | aha ok |
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| 13:50.00 | demisolo_ | where is power manager in lxde ? i am in lenny |
| 13:50.11 | yermandu | hramrach: debian squeeze have alsaconf? |
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| 13:52.04 | macrobat | i dont think there is alsaconf in squeeze. try alsamixer to set levels and unmute the mic |
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| 13:53.37 | yermandu | the mic is umuted. But simply dont work |
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| 13:57.27 | mysoogals | hi guys can somebody tell if me mozilla-plugin-vlc it works on debian ? |
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| 13:58.14 | babilen | mysoogals: works here |
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| 13:58.40 | root_grapefruit | hey I get the following error: # apt-get install -f |
| 13:58.40 | root_grapefruit | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:58.40 | root_grapefruit | Building dependency tree |
| 13:58.40 | root_grapefruit | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:58.40 | root_grapefruit | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 13:58.48 | mysoogals | thanks babilen |
| 13:58.54 | babilen | no problem :) |
| 13:59.03 | babilen | mysoogals: I am using squeeze though - YMMV |
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| 13:59.22 | root_grapefruit | dpkg: error processing phpldapadmin (--remove): |
| 13:59.22 | dpkg | root_grapefruit: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:59.24 | root_grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.26 | root_grapefruit | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 13:59.28 | root_grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.30 | root_grapefruit | [ Rootkit Hunter version 1.3.2 ] |
| 13:59.32 | root_grapefruit | File updated: searched for 151 files, found 122 |
| 13:59.34 | root_grapefruit | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:59.36 | root_grapefruit | julius #61 [100]: /home/masimk # |
| 13:59.38 | root_grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.58 | babilen | !bat |
| 13:59.59 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:00.05 | root_grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.06 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/UAJAWtTR |
| 14:00.09 | root_grapefruit | can somebody help me? |
| 14:00.10 | babilen | root_grapefruit: Please provide ^^^^ |
| 14:00.35 | babilen | root_grapefruit: don't /msg me please |
| 14:00.42 | babilen | !tell root_grapefruit -about bat |
| 14:01.12 | babilen | root_grapefruit: And also give the original command - I am sure that you did not start with "apt-get install -f" |
| 14:01.21 | babilen | root_grapefruit: What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:01.53 | demisolo_ | babilen, anyway to install emesene in lenny (that works) |
| 14:02.11 | babilen | demisolo_: emesene should be in backports |
| 14:02.16 | babilen | ,versions emesene |
| 14:02.18 | judd | emesene -- lenny: 1.0-dist-4; sid: 1.6-1; squeeze: 1.6-1 |
| 14:02.29 | babilen | oh . :-\ |
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| 14:02.45 | babilen | demisolo_: Is the version in lenny not working? |
| 14:02.57 | root_grapefruit | well yesterday i tried to move an apache server with a lot of stuff. I didn't work so i purged everything today to retry moving the server |
| 14:02.57 | demisolo_ | babilen, is old |
| 14:02.58 | root_grapefruit | but now |
| 14:03.13 | root_grapefruit | he doesn't delete phpldapadmin, because apache2 isn't installed |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: uname -r ? |
| 14:03.37 | root_grapefruit | why is that importan abrotman? |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: dpkg -l apache2 phpldapadmin |
| 14:04.14 | babilen | abrotman: right :) |
| 14:04.31 | babilen | !tell demisolo_ -about ssb |
| 14:04.47 | babilen | demisolo_: IIRC you need python-libmimic which can be installed from backports |
| 14:04.52 | babilen | !tell demisolo_ -about bpo |
| 14:05.02 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/j8Kva3Z4 |
| 14:05.20 | demisolo_ | babilen, thanks |
| 14:05.33 | babilen | ,versions python-libmimic |
| 14:05.34 | judd | python-libmimic -- lenny-backports: 1.0.4-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0.4-2+b2; squeeze: 1.0.4-2+b2 |
| 14:05.45 | babilen | demisolo_: Good luck :) |
| 14:05.52 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: why are you removing conf files ? |
| 14:06.14 | root_grapefruit | because I wanted to retry to move the apache and therefore i need a clean syste |
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| 14:06.16 | root_grapefruit | system |
| 14:07.15 | root_grapefruit | any ideas? |
| 14:07.43 | abrotman | you're going to have to reinstall those packages with the confmiss stuff |
| 14:07.54 | babilen | !confmiss |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 14:12.00 | jelly-hme | judd: versions wine-unstable |
| 14:12.01 | root_grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.01 | judd | wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1 |
| 14:12.30 | babilen | !tell root_grapefruit -about bat |
| 14:12.39 | hramrach | isn't that ancient? |
| 14:12.56 | root_grapefruit | what do you mean babilen? |
| 14:13.15 | babilen | root_grapefruit: Read the factoid |
| 14:13.22 | root_grapefruit | the what?! |
| 14:13.25 | hramrach | there's like wine 1.1.40 already, right? |
| 14:13.36 | babilen | root_grapefruit: Read what dpkg just told you in a private message |
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| 14:14.00 | jelly-hme | hramrach: a user asked for 1.1.41 half an hour ago |
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| 14:14.28 | d1b | btw does any one know if xnest provides more or less security than untrusted x cookies ? |
| 14:14.33 | jelly-hme | hramrach: it it were present, it would be in the above package |
| 14:14.47 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/wJSsCsHN |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: all those packages you were dumb enough to manually remove conf files will have to be reinstalled |
| 14:16.42 | root_grapefruit | well its very nice of you to insult me but i did you aptitude purge for all the packages |
| 14:16.57 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: and libapache2-mod-auth-pam |
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| 14:17.16 | abrotman | the package manager didn't do this on its own |
| 14:17.45 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: config files can easily be from packages you didnt think of |
| 14:18.04 | Kevin` | how can I have xdmcp available remotely but no X running locally? |
| 14:18.09 | ix | I need a HTTP daemon for sharing files, preferrably as small as possible, with little or no configuration (e.g. webroot specified with a command line parameter) - Any suggestions? |
| 14:18.59 | valdyn | Kevin`: by configuring your xdm / gdm / kdm / whatever accordingly |
| 14:19.19 | Kevin` | how can you configure gdm to not provide a login window? |
| 14:19.23 | babilen | wonders which package provides /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf - can't find it |
| 14:19.24 | amphi | ix: thttpd? |
| 14:19.24 | valdyn | Kevin`: mind, X needs to be running |
| 14:19.35 | valdyn | Kevin`: you probably mean no local display |
| 14:19.43 | Kevin` | right |
| 14:19.59 | ix | amphi: thanks! will check it out. :) |
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| 14:21.32 | root_grapefruit | I think this should be all the packages ... here's the output: http://pastebin.com/yZXReUHD what now? |
| 14:21.42 | root_grapefruit | Can i delete all the stuff now?! |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | babilen: it's going to be phpmyadmin .. it's just not a conffile that's listed |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: delete what stuff? |
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| 14:22.29 | root_grapefruit | well as i already said... I would like to purge all packages that i just installed again |
| 14:22.39 | root_grapefruit | so I can start from the beginning again |
| 14:22.59 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: aptitude purge <big list of packages> |
| 14:23.08 | root_grapefruit | yes that doesn't work |
| 14:23.12 | ix | amphi: exactly what I needed. (: |
| 14:23.16 | root_grapefruit | as I already posted in one of the pastebins |
| 14:23.34 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: if you `aptitude purge apache2` .. it doesn't work at all ? |
| 14:23.49 | root_grapefruit | well i can try it again.... |
| 14:24.03 | abrotman | we'll worry about purging the rest of the packages later |
| 14:25.08 | root_grapefruit | thats what i get when i try to purge : http://pastebin.com/tpgAkiR9 |
| 14:25.12 | root_grapefruit | it doesn't work |
| 14:25.19 | rdg | hey great people of #debian.. I am running a Dell Precision 670... 2 Xeon dual cores + Ati FireGL V3100 ..integrated PCI-X 64-bit Intel ethernet... which debian / kernel should I be looking at installing to get this machine out of windows? |
| 14:25.37 | root_grapefruit | and while it isn't deleted I can't start moving the apache :( |
| 14:26.35 | root_grapefruit | I mean it shouldn't be that hard to force deletion of these packages should it? I mean I want to delete all depenging packages of apache. So there shouldn't be any broken dependencies in the end. So i don't understand where the problem ist |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | rdg: i386 or amd64 |
| 14:26.46 | yermandu | amixer scontrols |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: put an "exit 0" in the phpldapadmin postrm script |
| 14:26.57 | yermandu | Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 |
| 14:26.58 | yermandu | Simple mixer control 'Capture',1 |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: after the shebang |
| 14:27.01 | babilen | root_grapefruit: You probably have to reinstall phppgadmin, phpmyadmin and a couple of others too |
| 14:27.02 | rdg | abrotman: amd64? not ia64? (is ia64 itanium only?) |
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| 14:27.18 | root_grapefruit | after the shebang? what is shebang |
| 14:27.19 | root_grapefruit | ? |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | rdg: definitely not ia64, yes, itanium |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: #! |
| 14:27.39 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: you deleted files required for a currently installed package, duh |
| 14:27.43 | root_grapefruit | @abrotman where is that script |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:28.00 | yermandu | so my mic can be hw:0,0 or hw:0,1 ... ? |
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| 14:29.14 | root_grapefruit | well i deleted them with aptitude i thought it would take a look at the dependencies by itself... i did not delete anything by hand with rm |
| 14:29.40 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: you enabled the perl module |
| 14:29.50 | root_grapefruit | ? |
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| 14:30.45 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: he's saying that if you read the error message, you'll see that it says a file is missing |
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| 14:30.55 | root_grapefruit | yeah but how can that be? |
| 14:31.01 | abrotman | the module is missing, so apache fails to restart, so your package fails to purge |
| 14:31.05 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: try running "a2dismod perl" |
| 14:31.48 | amphi | ix: good-oh |
| 14:32.00 | yermandu | http://pastebin.com/ctZDq2ci |
| 14:32.45 | root_grapefruit | I tried a2dismod perl but the purging doesn't work anyway |
| 14:33.08 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: show the output for "aptitude purge phpldabadmin" |
| 14:33.16 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: show the output for "aptitude purge phpldapadmin" |
| 14:34.23 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/2YUaW4Gb |
| 14:34.45 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: get the package name right please |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: ls /usr/lib/apache/modules/ .. put that in a pastebin |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | erm |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: ls /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ .. put that in a pastebin |
| 14:35.13 | root_grapefruit | doesn't change anything |
| 14:35.22 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: geez |
| 14:35.29 | root_grapefruit | he doesn't even start purging, cause the error occurs earlier |
| 14:35.35 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: run "a2dismod php4" and try again |
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| 14:36.03 | root_grapefruit | nope did not help same output again |
| 14:36.05 | babilen | root_grapefruit: You probably have to reinstall phppgadmin, phpmyadmin and a few others with confmiss |
| 14:36.13 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: no i dont see the outputs being the same |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: ls /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ .. put that in a pastebin |
| 14:36.18 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: paste the new output |
| 14:36.31 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: im sure theres a new error |
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| 14:37.12 | root_grapefruit | wait I'm installing phppgadmin, phpmyadmin.... |
| 14:37.25 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: well you dont need to listen, sure |
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| 14:37.52 | valdyn | abrotman: how did you get this fucked up configuration? by removing config files manually? |
| 14:37.53 | root_grapefruit | well babilen told me to install so i did .) |
| 14:37.53 | root_grapefruit | :) |
| 14:38.07 | valdyn | abrotman: s/you/he/ |
| 14:38.24 | abrotman | valdyn: it's not my box .. but i have this weird notion that he's manually deleted tons of stuff, possibly including /usr/lib/apache2/modules/* |
| 14:38.33 | valdyn | abrotman: I see |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | he claims he has not though |
| 14:38.46 | root_grapefruit | oh gosh... come on i already told you that i did not delete anything by hand |
| 14:38.59 | root_grapefruit | why the hell should i delete it by hand?! |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | is still waiting for the paste he asked for |
| 14:39.26 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: loads of modules you dont have installed being enabled makes no sense otherwise |
| 14:39.33 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/UjwpZi1n |
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| 14:40.06 | aguitel | babilen, no way to install emesene ,no in backports and from sid is not installed |
| 14:40.09 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: im asking you to disable all mods you have enabled but not really installed... |
| 14:40.12 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: did you copy this apache config from another machine ? |
| 14:40.21 | root_grapefruit | yes |
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| 14:40.25 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: before you do either that or install the mods instead apache2 cannot restart |
| 14:40.27 | abrotman | that makes more sense |
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| 14:40.39 | babilen | aguitel: "and from sid is not installed"? Did you try to backport it? |
| 14:40.50 | aguitel | babilen, yes |
| 14:40.58 | babilen | aguitel: What went wrong? |
| 14:41.06 | root_grapefruit | I did not understand what I should do now |
| 14:41.08 | aguitel | babilen, no emesene package are in backports |
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| 14:41.17 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: you need to disable all mods that you dont have installed |
| 14:41.27 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: or install all mods that you have enabled |
| 14:41.27 | babilen | aguitel: No, backport it yourself - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | valdyn: good luck with php4 ... |
| 14:41.43 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: run your purge command, see where apache2 complains about a non-existant enabled mod |
| 14:41.52 | babilen | aguitel: IIRC you need python-libmimic from backports |
| 14:42.00 | valdyn | root_grapefruit: and do the "a2dismod <module>" thing, as i told you |
| 14:42.05 | root_grapefruit | ah ok |
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| 14:42.29 | sdember | hi, if you were new to debian, and u had always used mIRC client, which one would u use here? irssi seems to be a bit unhandy for more than one network..etc |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: so you copied the apache config from another OS? and thought it would work ? |
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| 14:42.41 | abrotman | sdember: irssi or xchat |
| 14:42.42 | wols_ | sdember: xchat |
| 14:42.44 | Titan8990 | sdember: xcaht |
| 14:42.55 | Titan8990 | last and a typo.... |
| 14:42.57 | runa | cia come facio a cambiare il tema del nuovo gdm? |
| 14:43.03 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:43.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:43.12 | wols_ | tho I don't understand how irssi can be thought of as undhandy... strange |
| 14:43.15 | sdember | abrotman: thats italian |
| 14:43.16 | amphi | sdember: irssi is very handy for more than one network, by the way - but it's not GUI |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | oh is it? |
| 14:43.26 | valdyn | !irssi |
| 14:43.27 | dpkg | [irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:43.28 | babilen | sdember: It is not |
| 14:43.29 | wols_ | sdember: he's a merkin, you have to understand |
| 14:43.32 | wols_ | abrotman: yes it is |
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| 14:43.37 | wols_ | !tell runa about it |
| 14:43.48 | amphi | babilen: eh? |
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| 14:43.55 | sdember | babilen: it isnt spanish at least :P |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | i'm confused .. i thought all the italians knew how to do was !list ... |
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| 14:44.16 | wols_ | abrotman: there are some _smart_ italians |
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| 14:44.49 | root_grapefruit | we have and etch server and i copied it on a lenny server after installing all packages that are needed |
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| 14:44.58 | root_grapefruit | and then I thought i just have to correct some files |
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| 14:45.12 | root_grapefruit | why shouldn't that work? config should be the same |
| 14:45.22 | root_grapefruit | cause one server is going to replaced by the other one |
| 14:45.26 | sdember | amphi: wols_ i mean i have to open a console for every network i want to connect in and i dont really know how to code a script that auto-connects and autojoins every network and channel :P i understand it can be really useful when u know how to use it tho |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: you didn't install the same packages, and some items have changed like the php version |
| 14:45.43 | aguitel | there is no package called emesene in backports repo |
| 14:45.48 | babilen | sdember: What is wrong with it? "Por favor" is Spanish AFAICS |
| 14:46.04 | wols_ | sdember: wrong. I am currently connected to 4 networks all in one irssi session. /connect <ircserver> |
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| 14:46.26 | root_grapefruit | @abrotman yeah i thought that I can correct these more or less little errors... |
| 14:46.31 | wols_ | aguitel: and that's why YOU have to make your own backport |
| 14:46.40 | root_grapefruit | http://pastebin.com/aAfMeKJH this is my output but i don't get on what to use a2dismod now |
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| 14:46.56 | sdember | babilen: im spanish and that isnt spanish, now we can discuss what have i done in my last 20years of studies :) |
| 14:46.59 | babilen | aguitel: I already told you that *YOU* have to do the backport - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman | root_grapefruit: a2dissite phpbb2 .. i think |
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| 14:47.42 | babilen | sdember: I don't know Spanish, but I would be interested to "fix" the factoid. What would be a correct sentence? |
| 14:48.14 | abrotman | babilen: that's not what he was saying |
| 14:48.39 | babilen | is confused |
| 14:48.54 | wols_ | babilen: no need to tell us, we already know :) |
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| 14:49.17 | sdember | babilen: Por favor is spanish, if i knew how to scroll to the top in irssi and see his message i'd tell what's italian ;D |
| 14:49.42 | root_grapefruit | # a2dissite phpbb2 |
| 14:49.42 | root_grapefruit | ERROR: Site phpbb2 does not exist! |
| 14:50.28 | babilen | sdember: PgUp and PgDn should work :) |
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| 14:50.48 | Titan8990 | judd: versions phpbb |
| 14:50.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'phpbb' was found. |
| 14:50.50 | Titan8990 | judd: versions phpbb2 |
| 14:50.51 | judd | phpbb2 -- etch: 2.0.21-7; etch-security: 2.0.21-7 |
| 14:51.02 | Titan8990 | well, the package no longer exists, is it still installed? |
| 14:51.02 | sdember | babilen: oh i did shift + pgup, escape p/n also works, but thanks |
| 14:51.26 | AmberJ | Hello, I downloaded debian live IMG from http://live.debian.net/ ... When I boot it, my router's USB interface is not configured.... I try ifconfig, dhclient but both are not found... What should I do now? |
| 14:52.05 | root_grapefruit | hmm.... no more ideas? |
| 14:52.15 | Titan8990 | AmberJ: try again as root |
| 14:52.23 | AmberJ | What do I need to configure my usb interface using DHCP? |
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| 14:53.06 | Titan8990 | assuming you mean a network interface that happens to be usb, yes |
| 14:53.09 | wols_ | AmberJ: connect a ethernet chip to your usb interface |
| 14:53.19 | AmberJ | Titan8990, ah...maybe you are right ... I'm so silly...how could I'vs forgotten about root privileges? :( |
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| 14:53.56 | Titan8990 | AmberJ: happens. you get the command not found because /sbin is not in a regular user' $PATH by default |
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| 14:54.53 | AmberJ | Another thing, Is debian live persistent? i.e. does changes to debian live saved to be reloaded after reboot? |
| 14:55.13 | AmberJ | I'm booting debian live off a USB/thumb drive? |
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| 14:55.59 | Titan8990 | AmberJ: I believe additional steps need to be taken for persistance. I am not aware of any debian specific documentation |
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| 14:56.48 | AmberJ | Titan8990, np... debian live has nice documentation. I'll read it to confirm this ... thanks :) |
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| 14:58.01 | rdg | amd64 == x86_64 ? |
| 14:58.25 | amphi | rdg: yes |
| 14:58.28 | Titan8990 | yes |
| 14:59.05 | rdg | is it still better to go i386 instead of x86_64 for sanity's sake or has the x86_64 software selection nearly caught up? ( i haven't used linux on a pc in ~4 years) |
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| 15:00.14 | wols_ | rdg: the amd64 software selection was always the same as i386 under debian. however the shitty proprietary software wasn't. but that is no debian problem |
| 15:00.15 | d1b | rdg: x64 is fine |
| 15:00.23 | d1b | wols_: yeah but it runs fine |
| 15:00.36 | d1b | (shitty proprietary software ^^) |
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| 15:01.15 | spastorino | is the ruby maintaner here? |
| 15:01.16 | wols_ | and it runs exceptionally well on ppc, sparc, mips, arm and so on. really well |
| 15:01.39 | spastorino | i want to ask some question regarging ruby packages things |
| 15:01.42 | d1b | sparc is iffy. |
| 15:02.54 | jelly-hme | sarge worked find on sparc! |
| 15:02.59 | jelly-hme | fine* |
| 15:03.05 | d1b | wols_: and you forgot alpha! |
| 15:03.28 | wols_ | d1b: debian runs on 13+ arches, I forgot more than that |
| 15:03.33 | d1b | jelly-hme: some newer kernels not so much. |
| 15:03.40 | d1b | wols_: yes but alpha! |
| 15:04.03 | wols_ | another utterly and totally dead arch. who cares? will you mounr pdp next? |
| 15:04.07 | jelly-hme | rdg: pretty much, go with i386 unless you know your services would benefit from amd64 |
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| 15:04.27 | wols_ | rdg: rule of thumb: 4GB or less RAM -> i386 |
| 15:04.42 | rdg | damn. i just downloaded the amd64 net install. haha |
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| 15:04.54 | d1b | although 64bit gives you better ASLR protection. |
| 15:04.58 | devious | Nothing wrong with amd64. |
| 15:05.00 | rdg | aslr? |
| 15:05.05 | d1b | !aslr |
| 15:05.12 | pielgrzym | hi. I've got a silly mistake that nearly killed my machine - instead of rm -rf usr/lib inside chroot I did /usr/lib. Is there some way to reinstall all packages? so to get the partially destroyed contents of this dir back? :((((( |
| 15:05.15 | Stereo | wols_: why? |
| 15:05.21 | jelly-hme | d1b: if one wants that one will run grsecurity anyway |
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| 15:05.24 | rdg | i don't understand why this company bought PC with 2 Xeon dual cores, but then only got 2GB of RAM |
| 15:05.25 | wols_ | Stereo: why what? |
| 15:05.33 | d1b | jelly-hme: sure. |
| 15:05.41 | wols_ | rdg: CPU bound workload? |
| 15:05.45 | Stereo | wols_: why would you prefer i386 to amd64? It's not just about ram |
| 15:05.45 | rdg | nope |
| 15:05.55 | wols_ | Stereo: in the end, it is |
| 15:06.19 | d1b | rdg: don't let monkies pick the server specs next time |
| 15:06.24 | Stereo | my rule of thumb is no fucked up binary drivers -> amd64 |
| 15:06.26 | rdg | it's a dev pc |
| 15:06.31 | rdg | and I'm the new guy, I got a hand me down |
| 15:06.37 | d1b | awesome |
| 15:06.42 | wols_ | gcc is cpu bound :) |
| 15:06.45 | jelly-hme | Stereo: my rule is perl scripts -> i386 |
| 15:06.51 | rdg | <- java :-( |
| 15:07.02 | d1b | jelly-hme: my rule of thumb is no java and no perl |
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| 15:07.11 | jelly-hme | d1b: your thumb rules. |
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| 15:07.43 | d1b | yes pitty i can't remove perl and just have python :P |
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| 15:08.11 | jelly-hme | just migrated his desktop at work back to i386 because a number of scripts were eating twice the ram |
| 15:08.20 | d1b | jelly-hme: buy more ram! |
| 15:08.39 | okaratas | hello |
| 15:08.43 | d1b | hi |
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| 15:09.00 | jelly-hme | d1b: yeah... no, I booted i386 back, it was easier than waiting for the employer to approve 8GB RAM for me |
| 15:09.18 | d1b | fair enough. |
| 15:09.30 | wols_ | what perl scripts you run use 4GB of it? |
| 15:10.13 | Ging | ones with a memory leak |
| 15:10.15 | jelly-hme | some custom text munging ones |
| 15:10.35 | d1b | text processing -> nltk |
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| 15:12.13 | jelly-hme | they query the backup software database for some 100MB of output, then figure out which tapes are egilible for recycling because the backup software is buggy and can't be trusted to do that itself |
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| 15:14.38 | d1b | fair enough. |
| 15:14.51 | d1b | but how much memory was that actually using? |
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| 15:15.37 | jelly-hme | something like 300MB in i386 and 500MB in amd64, ran 6 of those in parallel |
| 15:16.04 | jelly-hme | or maybe 8 |
| 15:16.27 | d1b | that's a fair amount of memory usage ... |
| 15:16.44 | d1b | why not just make the script more efficient ... |
| 15:16.50 | jelly-hme | no time |
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| 15:17.33 | d1b | but you had time to reinstall debian... |
| 15:17.54 | jelly-hme | no, I had time to upgrade the 6 month old squeeze |
| 15:18.07 | d1b | right |
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| 15:20.10 | jelly-hme | anyhoo, something is seriously wrong with amd64 native perl build usage of RAM on hashes, but I don't have to care about it |
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| 15:21.19 | jelly-hme | also, kde and xfce (and probably gtk and qt) processes seem to be using less ram on i386 as well, perhaps 10-20% |
| 15:21.55 | d1b | yeah some amount less but not a considerable amount imho |
| 15:22.05 | d1b | + awesome is really neat :P |
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| 15:24.30 | wols_ | d1b: awesome? |
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| 15:24.57 | abrotman | bleh he left |
| 15:25.11 | abrotman | valdyn: i realized, it probably would have been easier to move his config aside and use confmiss to get an original |
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| 15:27.33 | d1b | dpkg: awesome |
| 15:27.33 | dpkg | awesome is probably a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:28.41 | ntsasng1 | Internal data stream error |
| 15:28.43 | ntsasng1 | help me |
| 15:28.45 | DogBoy | so when you use awesome suddenly you have 6 monitors? |
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| 15:29.19 | pielgrzym | where does apt store downloaded .deb's? |
| 15:29.36 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:29.47 | pielgrzym | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:29.55 | jelly-hme | !tell ntsasng1 about ask |
| 15:30.24 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: http://c.upanh.com/upload/4/626/LT0.8756933_1_1.png |
| 15:30.36 | devious | DogBoy: Think of it as GNUScreen for your xsession. |
| 15:30.57 | jelly-hme | devious: I thought ratpoison was screen for X. |
| 15:30.57 | DogBoy | I know what it is devious |
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| 15:31.27 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: uh... try a different player? |
| 15:31.32 | DogBoy | I just get a kick out of how they pimp it out with a picture of a six monitor setup |
| 15:31.46 | DogBoy | why? because it is "teh" awesome |
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| 15:32.01 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme:a different player can't play it |
| 15:32.22 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: vlc and mplayer can not play it :( |
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| 15:32.44 | FFForever | how do I force apt-get to use my ipv4 connection and not my ipv6 tunnel? |
| 15:32.50 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: do you have mplayer from debian or from debian-multimedia? |
| 15:33.12 | ntsasng1 | I install it |
| 15:33.47 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: from debian-multimedia :D |
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| 15:34.07 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: how is fix it? |
| 15:35.22 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: no idea, perhaps your files are corrupt? |
| 15:35.51 | DogBoy | it's a monkeysaudio file jelly-hme |
| 15:35.56 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: can you pastebin the output out mplayer somefile.ape? |
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| 15:36.21 | jimcooncat | I have some amd machines I'll be putting on server duty, installing lenny. They have 4 GB RAM. Do I only consider amd64, or are there options to look over? |
| 15:36.26 | jelly-hme | DogBoy: are those uncorruptable? |
| 15:36.45 | DogBoy | it's not corrupt it's just a format that's not supported out of the box |
| 15:37.00 | DogBoy | license issue |
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| 15:37.45 | DogBoy | it's kind of a window centric lossless compression format |
| 15:38.13 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: does "apt-cache search monkey audio" return anything? |
| 15:38.24 | DogBoy | heh |
| 15:38.45 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: Near the end of the error |
| 15:38.45 | DogBoy | not unless he's added to have sources |
| 15:39.19 | aguitel_ | how to start awesome ? |
| 15:39.34 | DogBoy | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-alpha/package/monkeys-audio.php |
| 15:39.55 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/408156/ |
| 15:39.58 | jelly-hme | DogBoy: ntsasng1 already said he had mplayer from d-m |
| 15:40.17 | DogBoy | and |
| 15:40.31 | devious | jimcooncat: AMD64 should be fine for your purposes. |
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| 15:40.50 | jelly-hme | DogBoy: that implies apt-cache search will be able to find something |
| 15:41.08 | jimcooncat | devious: any advantages with going to 686-bigmem over amd64? |
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| 15:41.53 | DogBoy | you generally get a little better compression with ape files than with flac |
| 15:41.57 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: depends on the workload. Test both if you can. |
| 15:42.00 | DogBoy | pain in the butt though |
| 15:42.30 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: play name.ape on mplayer-no-gui not error |
| 15:42.31 | TheAvatar | A |
| 15:42.47 | ntsasng1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.56 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: also test plain -686, that will allow use of ~3.4GB, but may or may not work better for you |
| 15:43.05 | DogBoy | doesn't totem use some gstreamer thing or such |
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| 15:43.15 | jelly-hme | ntsasng1: I have no idea what totem uses as a decoder backend, sorry |
| 15:43.30 | jimcooncat | jelly-hme: do I just work with each for a day, or is there a better way to test? |
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| 15:44.34 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme:thank you for suported |
| 15:44.37 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: I mean, do some benchmarks representative of your real workload |
| 15:44.39 | ntsasng1 | jelly-hme: bye |
| 15:44.45 | jelly-hme | bye! |
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| 15:45.02 | jelly-hme | !next |
| 15:45.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:45.14 | d1b | aguitel_: i just use gdm to login with it |
| 15:45.23 | jimcooncat | jelly-hme: thanks -- guess I have more homework to do |
| 15:45.43 | d1b | jimcooncat: it uses gstreamer or xine iirc |
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| 15:45.48 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: if you don't really know, go with amd64 and if it's good enough just leave it there ;-) |
| 15:45.51 | d1b | probably gstreamer |
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| 15:46.14 | aguitel_ | d1b, i installed (apt-get install awesome) anything else to do? |
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| 15:46.39 | d1b | well when i login via gdm i just select session -> awesome |
| 15:46.44 | DogBoy | aguitel, read the documentation? |
| 15:46.55 | devious | aguitel: aptitude purge awsome, aptitude install xmonad. ;) |
| 15:46.55 | DogBoy | what a concept |
| 15:47.01 | aguitel_ | DogBoy, what doc? |
| 15:47.20 | DogBoy | the awesome documentation? |
| 15:47.32 | babilen | devious: hehe :) |
| 15:47.38 | artagnon | Hostname v3,04 Debian Sid GNU/Linux isn't able to resolve `localhost` (or any other canonical name in /etc/hosts). Running hostname -f or hostname -i says: Name or service not known |
| 15:47.45 | jelly-hme | aguitel_: use dpkg -L packagename to list the package contents; each package has a /usr/share/doc/packagename/ directory |
| 15:47.55 | artagnon | I've sent an email requesting that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573375 be re-opened |
| 15:48.07 | babilen | artagnon: Just write it yourself |
| 15:48.22 | babilen | artagnon: disregard that :-\ |
| 15:48.27 | artagnon | babilen: I'm sorry? |
| 15:48.36 | artagnon | oh, I did write my own /etc/hosts |
| 15:48.40 | DogBoy | aguitel, the time to read the documentation when you're using some minimal wm like that is before you start it not after |
| 15:48.48 | artagnon | It contains the line 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 15:48.51 | DogBoy | doh |
| 15:48.56 | d1b | !sid |
| 15:48.56 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:48.58 | babilen | artagnon: I thought you were asking *how* to request that a bug is reopened |
| 15:49.26 | artagnon | d1b: Yes, I'm aware. Does that mean that users not file bugs? |
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| 15:50.23 | d1b | artagnon: no |
| 15:50.27 | d1b | you file bugs! |
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| 15:51.05 | artagnon | I did. That's not the point. I'm simply asking if anyone else has faced similar issues :p |
| 15:51.05 | Titan8990 | artagnon: the syntax of your /etc/hosts is wrong |
| 15:51.29 | d1b | artagnon: that bugreport suggests so... |
| 15:51.39 | Titan8990 | artagnon: you have 127.0.0.1 listed twice. It should read on a single line: 127.0.0.1 localhost kytes |
| 15:52.32 | artagnon | Titan8990: changed that. Still doesn't help. |
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| 15:52.50 | jelly-hme | what is artagnon trying to do? |
| 15:52.51 | artagnon | d1b: If it weren't closed, I wouldn't have come here. |
| 15:52.59 | artagnon | jelly-hme: $(hostname -f) |
| 15:53.10 | jelly-hme | artagnon: ok? |
| 15:53.21 | sdember | i'm trying to find it on a tut but...if i don't know the name of the package i want to install with apt-get, is there any kind of list? |
| 15:53.21 | artagnon | jelly-hme: It says hostname: Name or service not known |
| 15:53.28 | artagnon | and none of my applications are able to resolve localhost |
| 15:53.34 | artagnon | even though I have the line in my /etc/hosts |
| 15:53.42 | jelly-hme | artagnon: does "getent hosts localhost" work? |
| 15:53.58 | devious | sdember: apt-cache search |
| 15:54.09 | d1b | devious: you beat me ! |
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| 15:54.34 | artagnon | jelly-hme: No. Return status: 2 |
| 15:55.04 | sdember | devious: thanks |
| 15:55.06 | artagnon | jelly-hme: it took a few seconds before saying that. I don't know why. |
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| 15:56.00 | jelly-hme | artagnon: right. pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf and the output of strace -tt getent hosts localhost |
| 15:56.13 | artagnon | jelly-hme: one sec |
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| 15:56.42 | glaskoncILLa1 | i'm writing article about debian and i'm trying to found exact number of developers involved in project but the numbers that i've found is quite different, so does anybody know right number or cant tell me where to look? |
| 15:57.00 | glaskoncILLa1 | can |
| 15:57.03 | glaskoncILLa1 | :) |
| 15:57.31 | jelly-hme | glaskoncILLa1: heh, are you writing it for Glas Koncila? |
| 15:57.39 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 15:57.40 | glaskoncILLa1 | nope |
| 15:57.44 | glaskoncILLa1 | :) |
| 15:57.45 | abrotman | glaskoncILLa1: but there is no exact number |
| 15:57.51 | glaskoncILLa1 | i know |
| 15:57.53 | abrotman | or not a very good number .. |
| 15:58.06 | glaskoncILLa1 | but +-5% is ok with me |
| 15:58.10 | abchirk | in which pkg I can find pre-up? |
| 15:58.26 | jelly-hme | abrotman: "number of DDs that have not been idle in 6 months" would be interesting |
| 15:58.30 | abrotman | glaskoncILLa1: wait for the bot to respond |
| 15:58.32 | wols_ | abchirk: that's a command for /etc/network/interfaces, not a file |
| 15:58.34 | abrotman | jelly-hme: yeah .. |
| 15:58.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 28678 packages, 2119 maintainers, 87656 MB installed size, 32535 MB compressed size. |
| 15:58.47 | abchirk | wols_, ah okay |
| 15:58.55 | jelly-hme | dpkg: you're slow |
| 15:58.56 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 15:59.03 | abchirk | so I could use it with ip6tables-restore? |
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| 15:59.12 | glaskoncILLa1 | thx dpkg |
| 15:59.23 | glaskoncILLa1 | how you get that information? |
| 15:59.29 | DogBoy | d1b, what happened to that guy that was firing up awesome |
| 15:59.45 | DogBoy | lol |
| 15:59.46 | jelly-hme | dpkg is a bot, glaskoncILLa1, there's a script behind that |
| 15:59.47 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, jelly-hme |
| 16:00.50 | jelly-hme | glaskoncILLa1: that's probably a count of unique email addresses that are written down as maintainers for one or more packages |
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| 16:01.37 | abchirk | wols_, and where could I use it or in which way? |
| 16:01.58 | wols_ | abchirk: man interfaces |
| 16:03.17 | glaskoncILLa1 | jelly-hme:and where i can found list of addresses? beacuse i've already looked on dd page, but i havent found something similar |
| 16:03.39 | jelly-hme | hmm |
| 16:03.41 | jelly-hme | !udd |
| 16:03.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, udd is the "ultimate debian database", an effort to gather lots of useful information about debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant postgres database. see http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase |
| 16:04.20 | glaskoncILLa1 | thy dkg, thats exactly what i need |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | glaskoncILLa1: i'd guess it parses the Packages file |
| 16:04.26 | wols_ | glaskoncILLa1: you find it in your packages.gz obviously |
| 16:04.27 | jelly-hme | glaskoncILLa1: there you go, download and datamine away |
| 16:04.39 | artagnon | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/u4pXq49g |
| 16:04.42 | artagnon | Everything's there |
| 16:04.58 | artagnon | jelly-hme: btw, why should resolv.conf matter? |
| 16:05.09 | artagnon | It should first look up hosts before trying the dns servers, right? |
| 16:05.35 | karlpinc | artagnon: Depends on /etc/nsswitch.conf (iirc) |
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| 16:06.44 | artagnon | karlpinc: not /etc/host.conf? I've defined "order hosts,bind,nis" there |
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| 16:07.02 | jelly-hme | artagnon: resolv.conf lists configured DNS servers |
| 16:07.34 | artagnon | Yes. Okay, I know. |
| 16:07.36 | jelly-hme | artagnon: line 110: 21:30:43.175707 open("/etc/hosts", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 16:07.49 | artagnon | slaps his forehead |
| 16:07.52 | artagnon | permission issue |
| 16:08.20 | artagnon | wait, it has o+rw and g+r permission |
| 16:08.28 | artagnon | should it have a+r permission? |
| 16:09.44 | jelly-hme | it's normally readable by anyone |
| 16:10.11 | artagnon | ok, changed |
| 16:10.15 | artagnon | tries again |
| 16:10.33 | artagnon | ah, fantastic. Problem solved! |
| 16:10.37 | artagnon | jelly-hme: thanks :D |
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| 16:10.49 | jelly-hme | artagnon: strace is useful |
| 16:11.04 | artagnon | I noticed :) Thanks for the tip- I'll use it next time :) |
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| 16:13.42 | jelly-hme | !next |
| 16:13.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:13.54 | artagnon | lol |
| 16:14.17 | jelly-hme | I'll reach my quota soon! |
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| 16:14.54 | jelly-hme | there's also |
| 16:14.56 | jelly-hme | !customer |
| 16:14.56 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 16:15.23 | artagnon | You should probably remove that sid message from dpkg. Agreed it's useful to drive away some new users who switched to sid because they think it's new and shiny, but it's misused too often. |
| 16:16.42 | wols_ | au contraire |
| 16:16.54 | wols_ | especialyl when you consider this channel doesn't support sid |
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| 16:17.21 | lontra | what's the best way to set up compiz on squeeze? |
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| 16:17.44 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 16:18.49 | ziarkaen | Why does aptitude append "{a}" to some packages (dependencies), when installing? |
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| 16:19.10 | artagnon | It's not about "supporting" Sid. No channel supports Sid. If an upstream developer walks in with a bug report, you shouldn't drive him/ her away. |
| 16:19.12 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: those are being {a}utoamtically installed |
| 16:20.13 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: they would also get {a}utomatically removed if the package you installed explicitely is removed |
| 16:20.16 | ziarkaen | Oh, thanks. |
| 16:20.21 | devious | lontra: The debian wiki has an article about that. |
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| 16:20.29 | babilen | artagnon: Agreed and we will not. That, however, does not change the general policy in this channel. |
| 16:20.43 | devious | wiki.debian.org |
| 16:20.49 | jelly-hme | artagnon: oh, there are factoids that are much worse. |
| 16:20.57 | lontra | ok |
| 16:21.04 | artagnon | babilen: Ok, fair enough. |
| 16:21.25 | artagnon | jelly-hme: hehe, I wonder who programs your bot :p |
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| 16:21.30 | devious | lontra: You may not need to... well shoot. |
| 16:21.41 | babilen | artagnon: We all do :) |
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| 16:21.58 | wols_ | babilen: shouldn't the debian folks tell the upstram about bugs and not the other way around? |
| 16:22.02 | artagnon | hehe, that explains it then :) |
| 16:22.13 | jelly-hme | artagnon: anyone that cares to. I've mellowed a factoid or two, you could too! |
| 16:22.33 | ziarkaen | Why does debian not default hosts.deny to "ALL: ALL: DENY"? |
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| 16:22.42 | artagnon | wols_: Sometimes, many upstream devs are Debian users, but aren't interested in becoming DDs. |
| 16:22.48 | wols_ | uRock: and that would help how? |
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| 16:23.31 | babilen | wols_: Yes, but if a developer comes here to talk about a specific bug in his/her application the channel should try its best to help him/her. Even if that means that we contact the maintainer or whatever .. |
| 16:23.33 | wols_ | and upstream developer will not come here. an upstream dev can talk directly to the maintainer and has a MUCH better way getting his problem resolved |
| 16:23.36 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: I have "ALL: ALL" in there, is that any different? |
| 16:23.53 | wols_ | cause the maintainer really really wants to help the upstream dev |
| 16:24.28 | pngwn | !tell FFForever-Away -about away |
| 16:24.31 | ziarkaen | jelly-hme, I'm just quoting the Arch default; seems that if a user *really* want to open up the box, he/she should know to remove firewall restriction. |
| 16:24.41 | uRock | wols_, What would what solve? |
| 16:24.59 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: and I'm quoting Debian 5's apparent default. What's the difference? |
| 16:25.05 | devious | ziarkaen: I imagine it's hard to log into a remote host if it's blocking all hosts. |
| 16:25.22 | artagnon | wols_: Ofcourse. You're saying that EVERY upstream dev prefers email over IRC? |
| 16:25.25 | wols_ | uRock: my mistype. sorry |
| 16:25.32 | ziarkaen | jelly-hme, On my new lenny install the default hosts.deny is empty (except for comments...) |
| 16:25.33 | TheAvatar | A |
| 16:25.47 | wols_ | if he is smart: yes. simply cause he won't meet the D maintainer here |
| 16:26.01 | babilen | artagnon: No, but there are better ways to contact DDs on IRC as well. |
| 16:26.49 | artagnon | well, atleast he'll meet other people associated with/ interested in the package, get surveys and feedback about his package in Debian. |
| 16:26.55 | babilen | artagnon: We just say way to many people who upgrade to sid because it is new and shiny and break their boxes because they have no idea how Debian is working. |
| 16:27.10 | babilen | s/say/see |
| 16:27.15 | artagnon | Agreed. |
| 16:27.21 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: anyway, both make sense in a way -- if a machine doesn't need remotely avaiable services, they won't be installed at all |
| 16:27.56 | artagnon | Ideally, all Sid users should be atleast minor contributors to /some/ upstream package. |
| 16:28.18 | jim_james | does hosts* apply to sendmail ? |
| 16:28.23 | Titan8990 | ideally, sid does not have any "users", just people who test packages and stuff on it... |
| 16:28.24 | babilen | artagnon: It would be more than enough if they file bugs and provide patches :) |
| 16:28.25 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: perchance your arch distro has services installed and running by default, and that's the only way to keep others out by default. |
| 16:28.51 | artagnon | babilen: ... or that. Yes, fair enough. |
| 16:29.18 | DogBoy | Titan8990, of course to test it you have to use it, but I get what you are saying |
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| 16:30.10 | artagnon | Titan8990: ... not just testing packages. They might just be upstream devs not interested in packaging in Debian at all. They'll need to run Sid for the upstream dependencies. |
| 16:30.38 | jelly-hme | jim_james: /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} are configuration files for the tcp_wrappers library. You'll be able to answer that question if you investigate whether sendmail is built/linked against it. |
| 16:30.46 | Titan8990 | artagnon: thats what gentoo is for :p |
| 16:30.55 | babilen | Why don't we continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic? |
| 16:31.08 | jim_james | im fairly new to linux jelly can sendmail be either ? |
| 16:31.25 | Ging | emmm linux jelly |
| 16:31.30 | jelly-hme | jim_james: I have no idea. |
| 16:31.35 | jim_james | ok |
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| 16:32.18 | artagnon | Titan8990: Kernel/ upstream devs are mainly on Fedora, Gentoo, AND Sid. |
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| 16:32.31 | jim_james | yeah i knew hosts* was for tcpwrappers but wasnt sure if sendmail was |
| 16:32.55 | jelly-hme | jim_james: for the service that do support it, Debian enforces dynamic linking with tcp_wrappers. For example, ldd /usr/sbin/sshd will reveal it's linked with libwrap.so.0 |
| 16:32.55 | artagnon | Titan8990: atleast the people I know. |
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| 16:33.29 | jim_james | so debian would be ? |
| 16:33.37 | jim_james | sendmail* |
| 16:33.41 | jim_james | whoops |
| 16:33.46 | jelly-hme | jim_james: also, the package will Depends: [...] libwrap0 |
| 16:34.03 | jim_james | so it can be configured to be ? |
| 16:34.14 | jelly-hme | jim_james: I still have no idea. Why do you ask? |
| 16:34.40 | jim_james | wondering using /etc/hosts.* |
| 16:34.44 | ziarkaen | I have multiple servers I want to ssh into, and multiple clients I need access from. I ant to use key authentication instead of typing in a password every time. Should I generate *one* key pair for me (using ssh-keygen) and a unique pair for each server, then copy my public key across to each server? |
| 16:34.51 | jim_james | allow deny ect |
| 16:35.10 | jelly-hme | jim_james: smtp servers usually have much more detailed access configuration options. |
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| 16:35.35 | jim_james | yeah do it in the configuration file |
| 16:35.46 | jim_james | ok i was just wonderign |
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| 16:36.20 | Devastator | is ries fixed? |
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| 16:36.47 | Schuenemann | can I associate a preferred application for a file extension like .xxx.zip ? |
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| 16:36.54 | smacnay | is listening to Xanadu by Rush and reliving a much simpler more innocent time in his life (long before desktop computers, girls, mortgages, kids, etc.) - ah the power of music! |
| 16:37.01 | babilen | Devastator: There has not been any new news on d-d, why do you think it is fixed? |
| 16:37.02 | Schuenemann | the normal method would associate with .zip only |
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| 16:37.32 | Devastator | babilen just asking |
| 16:37.37 | jelly-hme | smacnay: you want to announce that to #debian-offtopic! |
| 16:37.52 | jim_james | is it possible to install a source file with apt so it can grab deps needed ? |
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| 16:38.24 | jelly-hme | jim_james: what, like "apt-get build-dep package |
| 16:38.29 | smacnay | jelly-hme, heh, I guess |
| 16:38.31 | babilen | Devastator: No, it is still down. Uploads are still not possible ... |
| 16:38.39 | jim_james | like a source file *.bz2 |
| 16:38.47 | jelly-hme | jim_james: and "apt-get source package" do? |
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| 16:39.25 | jelly-hme | jim_james: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:39.46 | jim_james | ok so i cant find a package available so debian ...could install a tarball with apt |
| 16:39.49 | Titan8990 | jim_james: aptitude build-dep <package> |
| 16:39.52 | jim_james | im just asking |
| 16:40.02 | Titan8990 | jim_james: what package? |
| 16:40.15 | jim_james | it just a question |
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| 16:40.54 | Titan8990 | no, dpkg can only install .deb files |
| 16:41.04 | Devastator | babilen thanks |
| 16:41.17 | jim_james | so it's not possible Titan8990 |
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| 16:41.39 | jelly-hme | jim_james: the process of transforming an upstream .tar.gz to a debian source package and debian binary packages is called "packaging". perhaps you'd want to read /msg dpkg nmg |
| 16:41.40 | babilen | Devastator: Follow the debian-devel(-announce) mailing list if you need updates |
| 16:41.57 | Titan8990 | jim_james: if you build a deb package out of it, sure. not directly using the tarball |
| 16:42.02 | jim_james | ok i got an example ....i wanted latest version of a package and deb package was older ? |
| 16:42.14 | Titan8990 | !bpo |
| 16:42.14 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 16:42.22 | jim_james | package=version |
| 16:42.31 | Titan8990 | jim_james: what package? |
| 16:42.38 | jelly-hme | jim_james: then you'd read "/msg dpkg ssb", and "/msg dpkg uupdate" |
| 16:42.41 | jim_james | no it's just a general question |
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| 16:44.04 | jim_james | ok il leave it ..im not a troll |
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| 16:44.17 | jelly-hme | jim_james: read those. |
| 16:44.31 | jim_james | i will thanks |
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| 16:44.44 | jelly-hme | they're actual procedures and tools to do what you seem to be asking |
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| 16:46.02 | jim_james | yeah jelly |
| 16:46.17 | jim_james | like build you own package |
| 16:46.22 | jim_james | building |
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| 16:49.39 | jim_james | if i install debian ...i have done before ....i have dial-up speeds ...can i download packages on my laptop and install them when i get back to my slow net |
| 16:49.40 | TheAvatar | A |
| 16:50.24 | jim_james | basically install them on my desktop afterwards |
| 16:50.25 | TheAvatar | A |
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| 16:50.38 | jelly-hme | third time's A charm |
| 16:51.06 | jim_james | i like the package manager of debian just i dont have fast net |
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| 16:52.38 | babilen | jim_james: Take a look at apt-zip and apt-offline. It should also be OK to place the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:53.11 | ziarkaen | What is the correct way to temporarily stop autorunning a daemon? |
| 16:53.29 | babilen | jim_james: Or you might just want to download a CD/DVD ISO and burn that and only retrieve upgradable packages |
| 16:53.53 | Titan8990 | ziarkaen: invoke-rc.d <service> stop |
| 16:53.54 | babilen | ziarkaen: On boot? Or just temporarily stop the daemon? |
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| 16:54.28 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: [if at boot] personally I like to mv /etc/rc2.d/S45foo /etc/rc2.d/s45foo |
| 16:54.45 | jim_james | i will babilen ....only thing i was thinking of was the deps ...say i wanted 2 programs with 8 deps ... dkpg -i know which ones |
| 16:54.47 | ziarkaen | On boot. I'm used to a file with a list of daemons to run at boot. I know I could rm /etc/init.d/prog, but this seems extreme |
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| 16:55.01 | babilen | jim_james: apt-zip/apt-offline will take care of that |
| 16:55.09 | jim_james | ok thanks |
| 16:55.20 | ziarkaen | jelly-hme, The lowercase makes a difference? |
| 16:55.34 | jelly-hme | ziarkaen: very much so |
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| 16:55.53 | babilen | ziarkaen: Just run rcconf/sysv-rc-conf |
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| 16:56.22 | jelly-hme | babilen: does that save the current state of symlinks even if customized? |
| 16:56.40 | babilen | ziarkaen: Or "man update-rc.d" |
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| 16:57.00 | babilen | jelly-hme: That is a very good question - you mean if you have renamed S66 to S45? |
| 16:57.08 | jelly-hme | babilen: I might have, yes. |
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| 16:57.45 | jelly-hme | likes to start clamav, amavis, postfix in particular order |
| 16:57.49 | babilen | jelly-hme: I am not sure .. good question. I should investigate this as this might have horrible effects |
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| 16:58.27 | babilen | fsvo horrible ;) |
| 16:58.55 | jelly-hme | renaming smylinks manually might be considered dirty, but it's very easy to see the "temporarily" disabled services if one keeps to a consistent renaming policy |
| 16:59.16 | jelly-hme | eg. ls /etc/rc?.d/s* |
| 16:59.24 | babilen | jelly-hme: rcconf does "rcconf saves the service name and the number in /var/lib/rcconf/services so as to be able to restore the service to its original configuration." |
| 16:59.42 | babilen | jelly-hme: I would assume sysv-rc-conf to do the same |
| 16:59.44 | jelly-hme | babilen: that's very kind of them then |
| 16:59.55 | DogBoy | heh, did aguitel_ ever make it back from "teh" awesome experience |
| 17:00.12 | jelly-hme | DogBoy: it was too awesome |
| 17:00.30 | DogBoy | better to read the docs first |
| 17:00.37 | babilen | DogBoy: He is compiling and patching dwm now :) |
| 17:00.43 | Titan8990 | for being the default debian MTA, exim4 doesn't get much love here |
| 17:00.48 | DogBoy | he's probably trying to figure out how to quit the wm |
| 17:00.55 | babilen | !love exim4 |
| 17:00.55 | dpkg | makes love to exim4, caressing exim4's hair, whispering sweet nothings in exim4's ear... |
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| 17:01.16 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: there's a whole channel devoted to it |
| 17:01.39 | DogBoy | and there is one for postfix too |
| 17:01.39 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: personally I'm waiting for postfix to become default ;-> |
| 17:01.43 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: I am just saying... not too many recomendations of exim4 |
| 17:01.55 | Titan8990 | likes exim4... |
| 17:02.00 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 17:02.00 | dpkg | Sendmail has shitty documentation. |
| 17:02.10 | jelly-hme | no arguments there |
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| 17:02.29 | macrobat | and here i thought it was _an_ mta war |
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| 17:02.51 | jelly-hme | dpkg, start an mta war is <reply>see start a mta war |
| 17:02.51 | dpkg | ...but start an mta war is already something else... |
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| 17:03.01 | jelly-hme | !start an mta war |
| 17:03.01 | dpkg | Sendmail is a spam magnet! |
| 17:03.02 | macrobat | aha |
| 17:03.11 | jelly-hme | dpkg, literal start an mta war |
| 17:03.12 | dpkg | "start an mta war" is "<REPLY> (Sendmail|qmail|Courier|Exim|Postfix|smail) (is a spam magnet|systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses mail|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation|has an evil license|is obsolete)(!|.)" |
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| 17:03.36 | jelly-hme | macrobat: we have aliases for the grammar deficient! |
| 17:03.50 | macrobat | like zsh? |
| 17:04.00 | macrobat | do what i mean |
| 17:04.52 | jelly-hme | deletes macrobat's files older than 7 days without using find |
| 17:05.26 | roe | anyone have luck getting Empathy in sid working with AIM? |
| 17:05.42 | macrobat | all my files are minty lemony fresh. |
| 17:07.18 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:07.33 | jelly-hme | -rw-r--r-- 1 macrobat users 0 2010-04-02 19:06 myself |
| 17:07.45 | jelly-hme | macrobat: eww. |
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| 17:08.58 | macrobat | my comp has a "restore" button with version control |
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| 17:10.21 | FFForever | pngwn, I assume you where referring to my nick change? |
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| 17:10.31 | zamba | i'm having problems replacing lilo with grub |
| 17:10.43 | zamba | when i run grub-install /dev/hda, i get the following error: |
| 17:10.54 | zamba | grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2. Check your device.map. |
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| 17:12.54 | ars1 | what to do ? http://pastebin.com/caFws2yR |
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| 17:14.19 | jelly-hme | ars1: perhaps investigate why "awk: command not found" |
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| 17:14.36 | AimHere | The great awk is extinct |
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| 17:16.05 | jelly-hme | ars1: dpkg -l \*awk|grep ^.i ? |
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| 17:18.06 | babilen | ars1: base-files predepends on gawk and it is essential. What have you done? |
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| 17:18.39 | Serraphyn | anyone help me with why after I install vid drivers its at 1980x1080 but everything appears 800x600 still in size, like Text is about 200x bigger still |
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| 17:21.50 | macrobat | Serraphyn: how did you change the resolution and what reports the 1980x1080 resolution? what driver? |
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| 17:23.17 | Serraphyn | when I look in nvidia-settings |
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| 17:23.52 | wash | Hey, I just installed Debian 5.0 on a new box - I need some help modifying my software sources. I'm not sure what I messed up, but I can't seem to install some very basic packages (e.g. sudo apt-get install links isn't work), and I'm unsure how to modify sources.list for debian. |
| 17:24.01 | amol | hi all how to create bootable USB installer.i have lenny image |
| 17:24.23 | wash | (I'm used to working with apt on ubuntu) |
| 17:24.26 | babilen | !tell wash about sources.list |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | !tell amol about usb install |
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| 17:24.49 | babilen | wash: You might want to paste your sources.list to a pastebin, so we can take a look (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 17:25.19 | abrotman | !tell wash about why aptitude |
| 17:25.44 | Gijs | hey all |
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| 17:25.59 | Gijs | i am using to much traffic this month |
| 17:26.13 | Gijs | and i need to know wich process is using so much traffic |
| 17:26.21 | X-Raimo | help me with amanda debian client: when I run amcheck -c term0 (term0 is name of project) it says timeout waiting for ACK. And client says: http://paste.org.ru/?dk1tjd |
| 17:27.06 | abrotman | Gijs: didn't we cover this yesterday ? |
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| 17:27.36 | wash | @babilen http://pastebin.com/rFMWnwQa |
| 17:27.41 | Gijs | you disconnected |
| 17:27.48 | abrotman | there were others here |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | wash: which country are you in ? |
| 17:28.03 | wash | @abrotman: USA |
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| 17:28.10 | abrotman | wash: which area/state ? |
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| 17:28.20 | Gijs | can you help me abrotman? |
| 17:28.31 | abrotman | Gijs: i suggested jnettop and a few others |
| 17:28.37 | wash | @abrotman: New York state |
| 17:28.59 | Gijs | can you tell the "few others" also please? |
| 17:29.07 | babilen | wash: You need to add something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" to your sources.list. Replace <cc> with your country code, search for other mirrors. You might also want to add "contrib new-free" after "main" |
| 17:29.09 | abrotman | wash: add "deb http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 17:29.36 | wash | then run aptitude update, yes? |
| 17:29.39 | babilen | !tell wash -about mirrors |
| 17:29.41 | abrotman | wash: to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. then `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install links` |
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| 17:30.42 | xemacs4321 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.01 | Gijs | abrotman jnettop doesn't gives me the processes |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | Gijs: it gives you the programs |
| 17:31.33 | Gijs | ehh no? |
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| 17:31.53 | abrotman | Gijs: what does it give you ? |
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| 17:32.03 | Gijs | hostname <-> *****.vdnet.lt 491K/s 18.3K/s 510K/s |
| 17:32.04 | Gijs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.45 | wash | Yay! I haz links |
| 17:32.52 | abrotman | wash: isn't that exciting! |
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| 17:33.02 | wash | Thanks guys |
| 17:33.05 | d0uglas | hi. got two text files I need to merge and I could use the echo syntax if you'd be so kind.. so, need oldaccess.log in front or on top of currentaccess.log. ? |
| 17:33.18 | Gijs | so abrotman? |
| 17:33.25 | Gijs | it does not gives me the program |
| 17:33.26 | wash | add "contrib non-free" at the end of that for restricted packages, yes? |
| 17:33.33 | abrotman | Gijs: i thought it used to |
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| 17:33.37 | AimHere | d0uglas, you just want the files concatenated? If so, that's what cat is for. |
| 17:33.40 | Gijs | you know some other ones? |
| 17:33.41 | abrotman | wash: that line and the security line |
| 17:33.48 | iceroot | d0uglas: cat file1 file2 > file3 |
| 17:33.52 | Gijs | i just need something similar with htop but then for traffic |
| 17:33.54 | AimHere | The 'dump stuff to screen' was originally a sideeffect |
| 17:33.57 | d0uglas | thank you AimHere and iceroot |
| 17:34.06 | abrotman | Gijs: iftop? iptraf? ntop ? |
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| 17:34.31 | Quicken2k | How can I make windows xp the default in Grub? |
| 17:34.36 | amol | abrotman, if i do zcat /cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz > /dev/sdb wnd then changing flag to bootable is sufficient? |
| 17:34.57 | amol | or i require complete .iso image to keep in US?B |
| 17:35.10 | JPT | Quicken2k: in /boot/grub/menu.lst there is a default= option... |
| 17:35.22 | Quicken2k | have to be root right? |
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| 17:36.12 | abrotman | Quicken2k: to edit those configs, yes |
| 17:36.17 | Titan8990 | Quicken2k: you have to be root to make any kind of system-wide change |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | amol: whatever the instructions say |
| 17:36.24 | JPT | Quicken2k: there is a descriptive comment above the option telling you exactly how it works :) |
| 17:36.53 | Quicken2k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.04 | JPT | /boot/grub/menu.lst :) |
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| 17:37.12 | Titan8990 | Quicken2k: why not scrollup and look at what he said, less than 4min ago |
| 17:38.12 | abrotman | wash: no need to msg me, ask in the channel |
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| 17:39.14 | amol | abrotman, for hd-media its mentioned .iso is require but for cdrom image nothing is mentioned |
| 17:39.41 | Quicken2k | thanks worked |
| 17:40.22 | wash | I have a second computer that I need to get links onto as well, it can't get on the internet without first registering through a browser on my school network. I should be able to just take the .deb of links, put it on a flash drive, and then use dpkg to install it on the second machine, right? |
| 17:40.22 | TheAvatar | A |
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| 17:42.15 | peyoteh | I've been trying to get XEN to work in debian using the debian packages without any luck |
| 17:42.31 | peyoteh | Anyone here who's got it working? |
| 17:42.32 | peterrooney | wash: sounds good, as long as links doesn't have any other dependancies |
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| 17:43.25 | rafuch0 | hi everyone i was wonder how can a make a phone call from linux whit a 56k modem and stuff |
| 17:44.01 | JPT | nice idea... it should be easy these days.. |
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| 17:44.50 | wash | It had one on the first box and the second box has the same install, so I figure I can just put the depedency and links on the flash drive. Where do I find just the .deb of a package? If I've installed the package, do I have the .deb on my system? |
| 17:44.50 | TheAvatar | A |
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| 17:45.51 | abrotman | TheAvatar: do you need help ? |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | wash: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 17:47.26 | jhamlin | Hi folks, after running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade, a certain website that I need to use no longer works (in firefox or konqueror). The site uses java. How can I go about figuring out what the problem is and how to fix it? |
| 17:48.00 | wcs | #jhamlin |
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| 17:48.39 | wcs | what version are you using? |
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| 17:49.21 | wash | @abrotman thank you! |
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| 17:49.33 | wcs | if you are on squeeze, maybe is a bug on java |
| 17:49.53 | wcs | java try to use ipv6 |
| 17:49.54 | rafuch0 | any ideas what program can i use to dial and make a phone call ? |
| 17:50.04 | rafuch0 | from the modem? |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | !java ipv6 |
| 17:50.22 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html. This currently breaks networking in java, see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. |
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| 17:51.02 | wcs | yes :D |
| 17:51.05 | wcs | that's the bug! |
| 17:51.06 | wcs | jajaja |
| 17:51.28 | wcs | when I upgrade to squeeze I had the same problem |
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| 17:55.41 | X-Raimo | hi how to tell amanda-client connect amanda server using port 10082 instead 10080? |
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| 17:55.54 | jhamlin | wcs: I'm on lenny |
| 17:56.23 | Titan8990 | X-Raimo: amanda has its own channel which will likely be more helpful |
| 17:56.28 | wcs | check if you can connect to internet from a standalone app |
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| 17:57.32 | jhamlin | wcs: like a standalone java app? |
| 17:57.49 | X-Raimo | Titan8990: there's nobody replies for about an 1 hour |
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| 17:58.04 | wcs | yes |
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| 17:58.23 | wcs | something like jdownloader |
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| 17:59.48 | runa | hello i want to use parley, but i dont want to install all the kde dependencies. is there any other similar program in gtk |
| 18:00.26 | Titan8990 | , info parley |
| 18:00.28 | judd | No record of package 'parley' in lenny/i386. |
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| 18:01.05 | Da_Wrecka | Is there an application for making an image of an entire hard disk, rather than a single partition? |
| 18:01.09 | Titan8990 | , info parley --release sid |
| 18:01.10 | judd | parley (kde, optional): vocabulary trainer for KDE 4. Version: 4:4.3.4-1+b1; Size: 381.4k; Installed: 1172k; Homepage: http://edu.kde.org/ |
| 18:02.01 | hramrach | Da_Wrecka: dd? |
| 18:02.22 | Da_Wrecka | Mm, I was sorta hoping for a frontend |
| 18:03.03 | wcs | hey!, today starts the votation for DPL!!! |
| 18:03.06 | hramrach | you can try looking at partimage or something like that , perhaps it can do multiple partitions |
| 18:03.59 | Da_Wrecka | I've got sysrescuecd 1.2.2 booted right now, (planning to back up the entire hard drive and then put Debian on this thing) and its partimage will only do single partitions. |
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| 18:05.09 | qbwdp | anyone point me to info on what key to hit to instruct lenny to read drivers from flash or elsewhere during install? |
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| 18:05.58 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: what problems are you having with the install? |
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| 18:06.50 | qbwdp | Titan8990: well these guys here want to work with some old adaptec raid, i made the raid in the bios but lenny picks up the raw sda sdb sdc .... and not the raid drive |
| 18:07.26 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: on a real hardware controller, it should be somewhat transparent. i.e. - that would be correct |
| 18:07.28 | qbwdp | Titan8990: i was going to see if i can get a redhat rpm and convert it to deb |
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| 18:07.47 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: mdx is for mdadm raid |
| 18:08.24 | qbwdp | Titan8990: yes i gave them that solution mdadm will me faster than then that adpatec raid but these guys don't listen to me, these are windows people here |
| 18:08.24 | TheAvatar | A |
| 18:08.38 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: oh, its fakeraid? |
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| 18:09.30 | qbwdp | Titan8990: on the motherboard i do not see any card, the raid is build onto the motherboard, but i'm sure the proc does all the raid functions not a separate chip |
| 18:09.46 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: right, fakeraid.... really not recommended |
| 18:10.17 | Quicken2k | how can I run a system update from terminal I know it's something to do with dkpg but can't remember the command |
| 18:10.23 | qbwdp | Titan8990: do you know if during the lenny install i can tell it to read some drivers from flash by hitting a key? |
| 18:11.00 | qbwdp | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 18:11.08 | Quicken2k | thx |
| 18:11.14 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: not that I know of, only firmware. the drivers are part of the kernel, you would need to recompile the drivers against the kernel sources that are in the d-i, unless it was a binary blob |
| 18:11.29 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: what is the pciid of the device? |
| 18:11.47 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 18:11.47 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 18:12.35 | jhamlin | wcs: is there something other than Jdownloader to test with. It took me quite a while to download and even though I clicked for linux version it gave me the windows version... |
| 18:12.48 | qbwdp | Titan8990: i have to check that, hold on, you know here is the thing, i had a dell server a month ago and the broadcom card was not getting picked up, but lenny stopped gave me the deb i needed and asked me to put it on flash and attach it |
| 18:13.26 | qbwdp | Titan8990: i did that and the broadcom card got picked up, so it inserted that with insmod during the install |
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| 18:14.00 | qbwdp | Titan8990: then later the newer kernel that it got during the netinstall had the broadcom compiled in |
| 18:14.15 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: that was likely for the firmware, not the actual driver |
| 18:14.30 | qbwdp | Titan8990: ahh, you are right |
| 18:14.31 | Titan8990 | !fakeraid |
| 18:14.31 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. |
| 18:15.03 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: looks like we don't even have documentation on fakeraid. simply not recommended |
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| 18:15.55 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: windows guys or not, they should know they need hardware compatible with the OS they are using... |
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| 18:16.18 | jelly-hme | "We" do have documentation for fakeraid. At least, Installation Guide and/or the wiki does. |
| 18:16.31 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: we need to update the factoid for it |
| 18:16.34 | Titan8990 | !install guide |
| 18:16.34 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 18:17.18 | Elsewise | Hello everyone! I have a problem... My debian boots normally until the place, where the logon screen must come up... At that point everything becomes black |
| 18:17.23 | Elsewise | And stays like that |
| 18:17.32 | Elsewise | No reaction to keyboard |
| 18:17.53 | qbwdp | Titan8990: thank you, i just had a chat with these windows people, i am turning off the stupid fake raid in the bios and going with mdadm |
| 18:17.55 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: the install guide only appears to cover software raid, lvm, and encyption |
| 18:18.04 | jelly-hme | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 18:18.58 | qbwdp | Titan8990: explain to me the firmware that lenny asked for my broadcom, what exactly did it do with it? firmware update the actual NIC chip, so why is it that when i install lenny again, it asked for that driver again? |
| 18:19.15 | jelly-hme | dpkg, fakeraid is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 18:19.15 | dpkg | okay, jelly-hme |
| 18:19.32 | jelly-hme | !md |
| 18:19.32 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. This means you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. To establish at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.2.3 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
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| 18:20.08 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: basically it has the driver, but lacks firmware needed for the driver to function. The reason that it would not have the firmware is because it is non-free |
| 18:20.17 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: to make things more confusing, newer md also support the metadata formats used by some fakeraid controllers! |
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| 18:20.49 | jhamlin | Hi folks, after running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade, a certain website that I need to use no longer works (in firefox or konqueror). The site uses java. How can I go about figuring out what the problem is and how to fix it? |
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| 18:21.04 | qbwdp | Titan8990: what are your thoughts in rading swap? |
| 18:21.07 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: did you upgrade to a new release? |
| 18:21.09 | jhamlin | in the erro console I get NS_ERROR_DOM_NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR |
| 18:21.18 | jhamlin | Titan8990: no I'm on lenny |
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| 18:21.59 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: update-java-alternatives --config <foo> |
| 18:22.43 | Titan8990 | qbwdp: its not nescessary but if it is convienient, go for it |
| 18:24.02 | jhamlin | Titan8990: hmm what is <foo>? |
| 18:25.48 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: foo is to be replaced with what you want to be default java. typically openjdk or sun's implementation. you can view available options with update-java-alternatives --list |
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| 18:43.22 | jhamlin | Titan8990: so I do `update-java-alternatives --list` and I only get one line "java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun". So I do `update-java-alternatives -set java-6-sun` and I get a bunch of lines like "update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/appletviewer". And the website still doesn't work... |
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| 18:45.52 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 18:47.07 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: is sun-java6-plugin installed? |
| 18:47.25 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: and does it show in about:plugins? are you using iceweasel? |
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| 18:50.04 | jhamlin | Titan8990: yes sun-java6-plugin is installed. I'm using iceweasel. In about:plugins I see like "Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_07-b06; File name: libjavaplugin_oji.so; Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_07 |
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| 18:53.40 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: yeah... mine just says libnpjp2.so |
| 18:53.57 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: what version of iceweasel? |
| 18:55.19 | jhamlin | Titan8990: 2.0.0.19 |
| 18:57.58 | jhamlin | Titan8990: it's odd because it's been working fine then after the update... This one website is acting weird. Now I have to run it through firefox running on xp inside of virtualbox... a major pain |
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| 19:01.05 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: 2.0? |
| 19:02.16 | Titan8990 | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 19:02.18 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
| 19:02.35 | jhamlin | hmmmm it's 3 on xp. Interesting. |
| 19:02.36 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: you said lenny a min ago, did you just upgrade from etch? |
| 19:02.56 | jhamlin | Titan8990: I did not. It's been lenny for some time |
| 19:03.28 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: pastebin `apt-cache policy iceweasel libc6` |
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| 19:06.29 | jhamlin | Titan8990: Okay I guess I'm mistaken. I seem to still be on etch on this computer. http://paste.debian.net/67193/ |
| 19:08.07 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: I can't say whether or not it will solve your java problem but you should really consider upgrading to lenny since etch no longer gets updates |
| 19:08.15 | Titan8990 | !tell jhamlin about etch->lenny |
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| 19:08.44 | Titan8990 | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:08.45 | judd | sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-4 |
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| 19:09.47 | tomi | how to set iptables on pptp client ? |
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| 19:10.09 | valdyn | tomi: same as on any other interface |
| 19:11.17 | tomi | but exacly rulles for gre protocool ? |
| 19:11.31 | valdyn | tomi: gre is not the tunnel |
| 19:11.49 | valdyn | tomi: or rather, gre is outside the tunnel |
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| 19:12.21 | valdyn | tomi: tun0 carries the traffic thru some ethX using gre |
| 19:12.33 | valdyn | tomi: or maybe tap0 |
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| 19:13.49 | valdyn | tomi: so unless your goal is like to disallow or allow a whole tunnel you want to use iptables on tun0 |
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| 19:14.58 | tomi | i use nm, and firestarter but firestarter not support pptp, sow i want to manualy add iptables rules |
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| 19:15.14 | valdyn | tomi: why would it need to support pptp? |
| 19:15.22 | valdyn | tomi: tun0 works like any other network interface |
| 19:15.34 | valdyn | tomi: do you understand what tun0 is and does? |
| 19:15.50 | jhamlin | Titan8990: thanks for the help. Yah I have so many specialized installs on this system I can't possibly upgrade. Ah well. |
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| 19:18.17 | tomi | how to configure forestarter do use serwices over pptp? |
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| 19:18.42 | valdyn | tomi: pptp is irrelevant, firestarter needs to work with the tun0 interface |
| 19:19.10 | valdyn | tomi: can you not edit tun0 settings in firestarter? |
| 19:19.43 | valdyn | !layer |
| 19:19.49 | valdyn | !osi |
| 19:19.49 | dpkg | i guess osi is see <OSIRM> Application - 7, Presentation - 6, Transport - 5, Session - 4, Data Link - 3, Network - 2, Physical - 1.. Open Source Initiative |
| 19:19.59 | valdyn | ehe |
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| 19:20.39 | schmack | how can i use wifi on debian setup installation |
| 19:21.16 | tomi | valdyn: firestarter don support tun tap and vpn`d |
| 19:21.21 | tomi | vpn`s |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | schmack: depends on hte wifi card |
| 19:26.08 | schmack | what is a "hte" ? |
| 19:26.17 | Devastator | hte = the |
| 19:26.29 | schmack | ok |
| 19:26.50 | schmack | abrotman: mean it is found auto wifi card? |
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| 19:28.08 | wols_ | schmack: what wlan chip? |
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| 19:29.08 | Da_Wrecka | okay, does anyone know why the fuck split is telling me "no space left on device" after writing 409MB to an empty 37GB partition? |
| 19:29.26 | tomi | if i drop all trafic, how to accetp pptp (ppp0 interface) in iptables? |
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| 19:29.49 | schmack | wols_: sorry i'm now on windows i'm going to install debian later, it's a new laptop i buy it after 2 hours, last model from acer wireless 'n' network laptop shows acer nplify 802.11b/g/n atheros, or can u tell me how can i check the chipset? |
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| 19:30.31 | wols_ | schmack: in windows device manager you can see the PCI id |
| 19:30.56 | schmack | i hate win |
| 19:31.31 | schmack | yes atheros ar5b93 |
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| 19:32.02 | nosxifaf | Need some help to install some kind of identd service on my lenny system. |
| 19:32.03 | TheAvatar | A |
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| 19:32.53 | ziarkaen | What is the best way to restart sshd? I'm used to a running "/etc/rc.d/sshd restart", but it seems that start-stop-daemon is the Debain method? |
| 19:32.57 | schmack | wols_: atheros ar5b93 |
| 19:33.33 | wols_ | I don't think atheros makes a chip with that number |
| 19:33.42 | schmack | yes this is a model] |
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| 19:33.47 | schmack | i'm seeing |
| 19:33.47 | wols_ | however ath5k should work fine, out of the box, if you use the kmuto installer |
| 19:33.52 | wols_ | !tell schmack about kmuto |
| 19:34.03 | xingu | ziarkaen: invoke-rc.d |
| 19:34.29 | wols_ | you have no wpa support in the installer tho |
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| 19:35.04 | schmack | ok thanks |
| 19:35.08 | schmack | butg i want to ask u |
| 19:35.27 | schmack | wols_: can i install debian correctly without internet connection |
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| 19:38.01 | bioe007 | where is `git cvsimport' in debian? |
| 19:38.15 | ultralazer | So does anybody know why the favorite pages of debian facebook group list "the catholic archdiocese of edmonton - youth and young adult ministry. weird. |
| 19:38.18 | ultralazer | ? |
| 19:38.30 | ultralazer | i know edmonton is in canada. |
| 19:38.38 | rudi_s_ | ziarkaen: /etc/init.d/sshd restart is normal on Debian AFAIK. |
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| 19:39.28 | amphi | bioe007: there is a git-cvs package, which seems to be what you want |
| 19:39.38 | bioe007 | amphi: ty |
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| 19:45.24 | ziarkaen | So I can start-stop daemons with "/etc/init.d/name action", "invoke-rc.d name action" or "start-stop daemon name" all equally well? |
| 19:45.28 | boodie | Hi: has anyone tried to run 'lgeneral'? |
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| 19:47.43 | bioe007 | ugh. another one, cvs2svn doesnt seem to include cvs2git in debian? |
| 19:48.03 | bioe007 | and is there some switch for aptitude to search for particular files? |
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| 19:53.36 | Titan8990 | !tell bioe007 about apt-file |
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| 19:54.29 | jelly-hme | also, |
| 19:54.40 | jelly-hme | judd: file cvs2git |
| 19:54.44 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:54.50 | jelly-hme | judd: file cvs2git --release sid |
| 19:54.53 | judd | cvs2git in sid/i386: cvs2svn: usr/bin/cvs2git |
| 19:55.05 | abrotman | makes perfect sense |
| 19:55.18 | jelly-hme | bioe007: sounds like you might have to backport the newer version, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 19:56.09 | Titan8990 | judd: file /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 19:56.11 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:56.23 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: /usr/sbin |
| 19:56.32 | valdyn | usr/lib/sendmail |
| 19:56.41 | jelly-hme | valdyn: that was a long long time ago |
| 19:56.43 | valdyn | and that |
| 19:56.57 | valdyn | jelly-hme: its still there |
| 19:56.57 | jelly-hme | in a standard far, far away |
| 19:57.05 | Titan8990 | ah, its an alternative... was trying to think of a file that is in multiple packages to see how its handled |
| 19:57.36 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: it's not an alternative (this is not rhel), only one MTA can be installed at the same time |
| 19:58.06 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: debian has an alterntatives system |
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| 19:58.31 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: it's not used for /usr/sbin/sendmail. Unlike some other distros. |
| 19:58.43 | jelly-hme | ,file usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 19:58.46 | judd | usr/sbin/sendmail in lenny/i386: exim4-daemon-light: usr/sbin/sendmail; ssmtp: usr/sbin/sendmail; xmail: usr/sbin/sendmail; msmtp-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; postfix: usr/sbin/sendmail; citadel-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; masqmail: usr/sbin/sendmail; exim4-daemon-heavy: usr/sbin/sendmail; courier-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; esmtp-run: usr/sbin/sendmail; nullmailer: usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 20:01.52 | jelly-hme | this makes transitioning between MTAs harder than necessary, since you can't just change the alternatives and let the old MTA empty its queue |
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| 20:04.28 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: I would imagine MTA transitions are not terribly common |
| 20:04.30 | Christian_lenny | Hello. How do I activate ufs read for files upper 2 GiB ? |
| 20:04.36 | Titan8990 | especially mid-production |
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| 20:05.38 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: you'd be surprised |
| 20:05.55 | Titan8990 | Christian_lenny: wikipedia says the max file size is 8 zebibytes.... your having issues? |
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| 20:07.04 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: yeah, what do I know, my work is still running the same sendmail config they setup in 1998 |
| 20:07.16 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 20:07.43 | Christian_lenny | Yes. I mount my ufs2 disk from freenas with command: # mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 # and if I copy the file to another partition, only 2 GiB of the 3 or more GiB file was copied. |
| 20:08.22 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: replacing a sendmail or qmail with postfix makes one feel rather accomplished for the day |
| 20:09.43 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: ah, but I have happily setup two of my personal boxes for exim4 this week |
| 20:09.52 | Christian_lenny | (it is a gpt formated disk. I won't use this again. I will stay with mbr. |
| 20:10.29 | Titan8990 | Christian_lenny: I am not really sure. check dmesg maybe? |
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| 20:11.35 | jelly-hme | Christian_lenny: ufs support in linux could be incomplete. or you might be copying onto vfat? |
| 20:11.59 | jelly-hme | Christian_lenny: was there any error message or non zero exit status? |
| 20:11.59 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: wikipedia says that is only incomplete in regards to writting |
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| 20:12.16 | Titan8990 | oh... yeah, that would be a problem if he is going ufs -> ufs |
| 20:12.25 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: I would trust wikipedia as far as I can throw my analog-tuner tv |
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| 20:12.34 | jelly-hme | wouldn't* |
| 20:12.40 | Christian_lenny | is there normally no limit in ufs implementation in debian ? |
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| 20:12.45 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: i bet that pretty far actually :p |
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| 20:13.08 | Titan8990 | Christian_lenny: I have never spoken with anyone who used UFS in linux actually |
| 20:13.11 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: nah, I live on the ground floor |
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| 20:13.46 | Christian_lenny | If I had the choose, I would use ext3 with mbr for next time. |
| 20:14.36 | Titan8990 | Christian_lenny: are you saying the OS is installed to UFS? does d-i support that? |
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| 20:16.58 | Christian_lenny | No. Debian is partitioned with ext3/mbr. But the Partition on the other disk is ufs/gpt. |
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| 20:18.30 | jelly-hme | Christian_lenny: which OS was it written with? |
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| 20:19.03 | Christian_lenny | I formatted the disk with the web interface of freenas. |
| 20:19.09 | jelly-hme | Christian_lenny: perhaps you could boot up eg. opensolaris in a vm, present it that device, then copy data over the (virtual) network |
| 20:20.00 | jelly-hme | Christian_lenny: then investigate the OS used for that freenas release, I guess |
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| 20:20.30 | pipeline | Christian_lenny: ufs2 is old as shit |
| 20:20.40 | pipeline | oh wait |
| 20:20.41 | Titan8990 | the never wrong wikipedia says BSD :p |
| 20:20.44 | pipeline | you meen freebsd ufs2 |
| 20:21.28 | jelly-hme | freebsd must have a livecd of some sort than can be booted in a vm |
| 20:21.36 | pipeline | the freebsd install disc is a livecd |
| 20:21.43 | jelly-hme | see! |
| 20:21.47 | Wildy | мÑÑв =) |
| 20:21.52 | jelly-hme | !ru |
| 20:21.52 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:21.55 | Wildy | oops, sorry |
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| 20:22.12 | Titan8990 | i believe the livecd is actually called "frisbe" or something like that |
| 20:22.13 | Wildy | idk /amsg is broadcasting to other networks |
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| 20:31.54 | Sakuya | hey, anyone use vnc4server or tightvncserver in here? |
| 20:32.15 | isfranc | Sakuya: what s the probleme ? |
| 20:32.59 | Sakuya | titlebars/fonts/icons not looking right |
| 20:33.18 | Sakuya | verified from local vnc client and remote, doing the same thing on either server |
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| 20:34.06 | isfranc | Sakuya: sorry no help for you, wait other guy |
| 20:34.27 | Sakuya | looks like this http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd134/ryocabbit/vnc.png |
| 20:34.34 | ziarkaen | Can aptitude list files owned by a certain package? |
| 20:35.46 | qbit_ | ziarkaen: dpkg -L <pkgname> will list them |
| 20:37.17 | Christian_lenny | is this the FreeBSD LiveCD you mean ? http://livecd.sourceforge.net |
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| 20:38.07 | Christian_lenny | Oh I found "FreeSBIE" |
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| 20:42.48 | cp3 | anyone know a good linux wifi hostspot management system? or a proxy server i can make a access point go through and limit access with user and password? |
| 20:43.02 | isfranc | ziarkaen: exist apt-files ou file |
| 20:43.02 | Christian_lenny | But FreeSBIE is discontinued |
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| 20:44.17 | ziarkaen | isfrans, Thanks. |
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| 20:46.14 | qbit_ | mm |
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| 20:46.32 | cp3 | hey what is the best ftp server? |
| 20:46.40 | pipeline | all ftp servers are terrible |
| 20:46.50 | pipeline | vsftpd is reasonably easy to configure, but it is still an ftp server |
| 20:47.02 | cp3 | hrm |
| 20:47.32 | cp3 | pipeline on squid is there a way to make a user to aggree to a webpage before allowing proxy server? |
| 20:47.39 | cp3 | allowing access to proxy server? |
| 20:47.48 | pipeline | there are canned hotspot systems out there |
| 20:47.59 | pipeline | there was some company that will handle the billing and shit end to end, you just give them 30% of the proceeds |
| 20:47.59 | cp3 | canned |
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| 20:48.15 | pipeline | you just load their firmware onto a wrt54gl, install it, give it an IP, and they take care of the rest |
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| 20:48.21 | pipeline | I can't remember the name of the company |
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| 20:48.35 | pipeline | they have a free version that doesn't charge users ... you just have to hand out "coupons" for them to get on |
| 20:48.51 | pipeline | cp3: canned, as in, comes in a can, pre-cooked |
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| 20:50.47 | cp3 | nah i want my server to manage the access |
| 20:50.51 | cp3 | not a router |
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| 20:51.02 | cp3 | what would be the best way of doing that you think? |
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| 20:51.34 | pipeline | buying a COTS solution is undoubtedly the best solution. |
| 20:51.52 | pipeline | because otherwise you'll be spending some frustrating time homebrewing something |
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| 20:53.06 | mauro | good evening |
| 20:53.14 | cp3 | bah |
| 20:53.16 | cp3 | lol |
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| 20:53.43 | mauro | there is any one that cane explain why i have apt very slow? |
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| 20:54.24 | Titan8990 | mauro: are you using a google repository? |
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| 20:54.37 | mauro | i try many ropository |
| 20:54.44 | mauro | *repository |
| 20:54.54 | mauro | but even the same problem |
| 20:54.59 | X-Raimo | hello, I need to update amanda-server and amanda-client from 2.5.2 to 2.6.0. I found 2.6.0 in squeeze. How shall I do it? |
| 20:55.04 | X-Raimo | *should |
| 20:55.10 | Titan8990 | lets start again.... have you installed google-chrome? |
| 20:55.24 | Titan8990 | !tell X-Raimo about ssb |
| 20:55.24 | mauro | nono |
| 20:55.40 | mauro | i have a new installation |
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| 20:55.57 | Titan8990 | mauro: alright, now define "slow". how slow? what part? hanging on a particular thing? |
| 20:55.58 | mauro | just minimal debian |
| 20:56.18 | Titan8990 | spending a long time downloading? updating? |
| 20:56.28 | mauro | it spend many time updating |
| 20:56.49 | Titan8990 | mauro: alright, what part of the updating process is taking a long time? |
| 20:57.14 | mauro | apt-get update |
| 20:57.18 | mauro | all process is slow |
| 20:57.46 | Titan8990 | mauro: how slow? more than a couple min? |
| 20:57.52 | mauro | hour |
| 20:58.01 | mauro | 500 B/s |
| 20:58.07 | mauro | too slow... |
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| 20:58.43 | Titan8990 | mauro: what about if you manually fetch a .deb from that repo? are you sure its not the mirror or your net connection? |
| 20:58.50 | X-Raimo | Titan8990: I didn't understand following: "1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list" |
| 20:59.00 | mauro | my connection is good |
| 20:59.14 | mauro | i think there is some problem in configuration of the system |
| 20:59.24 | mauro | because if i try to downlod from the mirror |
| 20:59.28 | Titan8990 | X-Raimo: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 20:59.32 | mauro | from another pc |
| 20:59.39 | mauro | is all ok |
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| 20:59.55 | Titan8990 | mauro: you said it was a fresh install, how could it be the configuration? |
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| 21:00.49 | mauro | i don't knpw |
| 21:01.01 | mauro | searching on google i find something about IPV6 |
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| 21:05.58 | mauro | Titan8990, some idea? |
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| 21:10.38 | mauro | help please |
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| 21:17.18 | Agiofws | is there a way to tell debian to use another /tmp folder ? |
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| 21:17.32 | Agiofws | something like /mnt/foo ? |
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| 21:20.34 | pedahzur | Just tried to install Nagios and hit this: nagios3-cgi: Depends: nagios3-common (= 3.2.0-4~bpo50+1) but 3.0.6-4~lenny2 is to be installed Bug? Or did I do something funky with my sources? |
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| 21:25.42 | hramrach | pedahzur: the latter, or the package you are installing is not in stable |
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| 21:33.19 | pedahzur | hramrach: Hmm...strange, I have backports enabled, and nagios3-common is in backports (3.2.0-4~bpo50+1) but apt-get is picking the stable version for nagios3-common and the backport version for nagios3-cgi. |
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| 21:34.08 | isfranc | aptitude -t lenny-backports install âpackageâ |
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| 21:40.17 | pedahzur | isfranc: Thanks. This worked too: apt-get install nagios3=3.2.0-4~bpo50+1 nagios3-core=3.2.0-4~bpo50+1 nagios3-cgi=3.2.0-4~bpo50+1 nagios3-common=3.2.0-4~bpo50+1 |
| 21:40.37 | scotteee | hi all :) |
| 21:40.45 | pedahzur | Otherwise, it kept wanted to default to stable, instead of pulling the latest from backports. Very odd. |
| 21:40.48 | Titan8990 | pedahzur: you didn't need the version numbers... aptitude -t lenny-backports install <foo> |
| 21:41.04 | Titan8990 | pedahzur: that is not odd, it is intended |
| 21:41.12 | scotteee | this may be a stupid question, but is there a way to get packages for sid into squeeze? |
| 21:41.29 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 21:41.30 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 21:41.39 | pedahzur | Titan8990: Can you explain? My experience with apt has been it always installs the latest available. What am I missing? |
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| 21:41.51 | Titan8990 | pedahzur: apt priorities |
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| 21:43.02 | Titan8990 | pedahzur: it would be undesirable for all your packages to be upgraded to their backports, as that could reduce the stability of your machine. By default, it has a lower apt priority than the main stable repo |
| 21:43.11 | keith4_ | i have a crappy USB scanner that works fine with sane/gimp, but only if I run gimp as root. the /dev files are (currently) usbdev2.5_ep00, and the three usbdev2.5_ep8[1-3], owned by root:root. how do I make them come up as root:scanner ? |
| 21:43.24 | Titan8990 | pedahzur: apt-cache policy nagios3, may give you a small idea |
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| 21:46.10 | pedahzur | Titan8990: Ah, gotcha. In my experience the backports has always had the same priority as stable. Thanks for the education! |
| 21:46.11 | scotteee | the backports are only made for lenny aren |
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| 21:46.16 | scotteee | t they? |
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| 21:46.26 | Titan8990 | scotteee: only for stable releases |
| 21:46.35 | moine | hi |
| 21:46.56 | moine | how to have the same nautilus than ubuntu on debian ? |
| 21:47.09 | scotteee | so if i want a package from sid for squeeze i'd have to compile it? |
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| 21:47.49 | keith4_ | scotteee, ask dpkg about SSB |
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| 21:49.05 | Titan8990 | scotteee: yes, just as instructed by the factoid I put up for you |
| 21:49.18 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 21:49.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shite Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 21:51.00 | pedahzur | keith4_: I don't have a good answers, but I'm going to assume you need to edit the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 21:51.40 | keith4_ | pedahzur, yah... i was afraid there wouldn't be a simple way |
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| 21:52.16 | Titan8990 | keith4_: that sounds like it might be a bug. you running stable? |
| 21:52.27 | keith4_ | Titan8990, yes |
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| 21:53.01 | keith4_ | i can't recall if it ever worked. this is the first thing i've had to scan (tax season) in... probably since last tax season ;-) |
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| 21:53.22 | Titan8990 | keith4_: well, you could manually chown as a workaround |
| 21:53.46 | keith4_ | Titan8990, can't, actually. i tried that. it's very odd. xsane must "re init" the thing, somehow |
| 21:54.12 | keith4_ | because I chown 666 all the dev files... and they end up back at 660 as soon as I try to "acquire -> sane" from Gimp |
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| 21:54.41 | keith4_ | sighs |
| 21:54.43 | keith4_ | chmod i mean |
| 21:54.46 | amphi | keith4_: are you sure it's not the permissions under /proc/bus/usb/ ? |
| 21:54.50 | keith4_ | sorry, it's been a long day |
| 21:55.23 | keith4_ | Titan8990, same for chown root:scanner, though. gimp/sane is doing something that causes udev to regenerate these files |
| 21:55.35 | keith4_ | amphi, no? how would I check? |
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| 21:56.26 | amphi | keith4_: it may be a red herring, but usb scanners I've used have needed permissions fixed under /proc/bus/usb/ |
| 21:56.41 | amphi | keith4_: lsusb will give you the bus and device numbers |
| 21:57.19 | ph8 | hi all, does anyone know how to refresh /dev/mapper? i've just partionned sdb on my machine and i want to get to it via uid (/dev/disk/by-uuid) without rebooting ideally |
| 21:57.52 | Titan8990 | ph8: vgscan? |
| 21:58.03 | keith4_ | amphi, k. it's bus 2, dev 5. (e.g. /dev/usbdev2.5). everything in /proc/bus/usb/002 is 644 root:root |
| 21:58.31 | keith4_ | on a related know, why are there 4 /dev files for it?! |
| 21:58.33 | ph8 | txt titan will try |
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| 21:59.01 | amphi | keith4_: no idea ;) |
| 21:59.17 | Titan8990 | keith4_: sounds like a bug to me... unfortunatly I wouldn't know which package to report a bug under |
| 21:59.44 | keith4_ | Titan8990, hmm. probably udev, no? |
| 21:59.51 | keith4_ | i'm going to try this, in the meantime: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2007/11/08/usb-scanner-and-udev/ |
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| 22:01.13 | ph8 | Titan8990: i don't have a command called vgscan and can't find it in apt? |
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| 22:04.01 | chris_99 | hi guys, wondering if someone could suggest where all my memory on my machine may be going, running 'free -m' shows 263MB used |
| 22:04.45 | keith4_ | chris_99, try top? |
| 22:05.37 | chris_99 | i've tried that and used: ps avx |
| 22:05.57 | pedahzur | ph8: vgscan would be in the lvm (or maybe lvm2?) package. |
| 22:05.59 | chris_99 | the process with the most memory only uses 0.8 odd percent |
| 22:06.10 | keith4_ | 0.8 percent of what? |
| 22:06.20 | amphi | chris_99: it's probably cache |
| 22:06.39 | chris_99 | what do you mean amphi? |
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| 22:07.26 | keith4_ | chris_99, what does it say next to "+/- buffers/cache"? |
| 22:07.33 | PyroPhelia | where are mounts specified from the debian live cd? they're not in /etc/fstab |
| 22:08.01 | chris_99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.01 | chris_99 | Mem: 360 263 96 0 9 201 |
| 22:08.01 | chris_99 | -/+ buffers/cache: 53 307 |
| 22:08.01 | chris_99 | Swap: 255 0 255 |
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| 22:08.02 | PyroPhelia | haha just kidding :P |
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| 22:08.12 | chris_99 | oops |
| 22:08.17 | keith4_ | 53M used |
| 22:08.18 | chris_99 | see that? |
| 22:08.31 | keith4_ | so? |
| 22:08.56 | chris_99 | i'm not sure where all the memory is going |
| 22:09.37 | dvs | chris_99: what does top say? |
| 22:09.51 | amphi | chris_99: looks like you have 201MB of file cache |
| 22:10.09 | amphi | chris_99: don't worry about it, let the kernel manage your memory ;) |
| 22:10.42 | Tramp | !tell chris_99 -about free ram |
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| 22:11.37 | chris_99 | http://pastebin.com/MjkEqSmE - thats top |
| 22:11.47 | chris_99 | i have to worry unfourtunately |
| 22:11.52 | keith4_ | no you don't |
| 22:11.59 | chris_99 | as im on a VPS with only 340 odd meg of ram |
| 22:12.01 | keith4_ | it's disk cache |
| 22:12.22 | Titan8990 | !free ram |
| 22:12.22 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 22:12.44 | keith4_ | chris_99, I have a VPS with only 64M of RAM ;-) |
| 22:12.45 | Titan8990 | chris_99: you will know you have actually ran out of ram when it starts digging into swap |
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| 22:12.51 | KB1JWQ | Objectively, there seems to be a huge number of people lately who just don't grok cache. |
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| 22:13.02 | amphi | KB1JWQ: heh |
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| 22:13.25 | chris_99 | ah got you, i never knew it did that |
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| 22:13.57 | keith4_ | chris_99, http://23423.pastebin.com/nC2ZGECk |
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| 22:14.25 | chris_99 | heh, wow! |
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| 22:25.49 | jhutchins_lt | I've edited bash.bashrc on my new desktop to enable it to change the xterm title, but it's not working. It seems exactly the same as it's set up on my servers. |
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| 22:26.36 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: did you source it or start a new login session? |
| 22:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | ssh |
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| 22:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | Starting new ssh session(s). |
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| 22:27.38 | mikefe | hi all. I have a problem which I can't figure out. Every couple of hours my gateway server loses the ability to resolve dns. To fix it, I can /etc/init.d/networking restart, and it starts to work, but i can't figure out what is causing it |
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| 22:28.08 | Da_Wrecka | Dammit. dd keeps bombing out with "Input/output error" at the 44GB mark every time |
| 22:28.38 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: the changes are on the client or server? |
| 22:28.54 | mikefe | has anyone got any ideas for what could be causing my dns to just drop? |
| 22:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | The target system. |
| 22:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: If I ssh to one of my servers, it works. To the new desktop, nada. |
| 22:29.24 | hramrach | mikefe: neither could I for my virtual machine. I replaced the virtual nic with a different model and now it works much better .. but I did lose networking completely, not just dns |
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| 22:31.21 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I don't recall ever having to make changes for that in particular |
| 22:31.31 | hramrach | Da_Wrecka: your disk is broken |
| 22:31.40 | hramrach | mikefe: can you ping the server you have in /etc/resolv.conf when the dns is broken? |
| 22:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Lines 23-29 of /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 22:32.03 | mikefe | hramrach: i don't have any dns servers in that file |
| 22:32.12 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I just tested it and it worked as a user but not root |
| 22:32.37 | hramrach | mikefe: then it's not surprisong you don't get dns |
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| 22:32.57 | mikefe | but i can ping domain names and they get resolved |
| 22:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, and it works fine on the servers, but no change on the desktop. |
| 22:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't seem to be a .bashrc thing. |
| 22:33.30 | mikefe | i am running bind9 as well on that gateway |
| 22:33.30 | hramrach | mikefe: so what does not work? |
| 22:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I think I found it. |
| 22:33.53 | mikefe | every couple of hours I lose the ability to resolve dns |
| 22:34.02 | mikefe | but it works if i /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:34.15 | dark | is there ruby-gnome2 packaged for ruby 1.9.1? aptitude install ruby-gnome2 wants to install ruby1.8 on testing.. and aptitude search doesn't give me any tip on if the package name changed etc |
| 22:34.24 | hramrach | mikefe: the ability to resolve dns on what? |
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| 22:34.59 | jhutchins_lt | It WAS .bashrc, restored from another distro, looking for /etc/bashrc. |
| 22:35.32 | mikefe | hramrach: anything outside. on the server i do a dig gmail.com and i get a query timeout |
| 22:35.50 | mikefe | but on my local network i can still contact gmail.com and resolve it |
| 22:35.59 | mikefe | just not on the server |
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| 22:37.48 | hramrach | and what do you use as the nameserver on the local network and on the gateway? |
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| 22:38.30 | mikefe | hramrach: the one provided from the isp? im not sure |
| 22:38.46 | mikefe | hramrach: i don't remember configuring one |
| 22:39.02 | hramrach | but you can check which one is used |
| 22:39.12 | mikefe | how? |
| 22:39.57 | mikefe | when i do a dig, i get a ns address |
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| 22:40.08 | hramrach | try "host -v google.com" |
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| 22:40.33 | hramrach | it says the nameserver at the end |
| 22:40.40 | mikefe | hramrach: yeah, its the same address i got at the end of dig |
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| 22:41.02 | hramrach | and on the gateway? |
| 22:41.04 | mikefe | hramrach: do you think putting that address into /etc/resolv will help? |
| 22:41.29 | hramrach | mikefe: so long as the addres does not change .. |
| 22:41.34 | mikefe | hramrach: oh sorry, that was on the gateway, the address was 210.15.254.240 |
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| 22:41.56 | hramrach | but if it works sometimes it means there is the correct address |
| 22:42.03 | mikefe | hramrach: when i do it on my local network, i get the gateway address |
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| 22:42.46 | hramrach | and which part breaks? resolving from the local network or from the gateawy? |
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| 22:42.54 | mikefe | gateway |
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| 22:43.22 | hramrach | It may be that resolving is broken but the clients accessing the gateway see its cache |
| 22:43.58 | mikefe | oh okay |
| 22:44.12 | mikefe | what happens if i put the gateway address into /etc/resolv ? |
| 22:44.19 | mikefe | on itself |
| 22:44.20 | hramrach | do you get IP address for the gateway dynamically from dhcp? |
| 22:44.39 | mikefe | yes, using dhcp |
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| 22:46.18 | hramrach | then you should check for this condition and frob dhclient to refresh the information I guess |
| 22:46.21 | hramrach | I got a crappy ISP before which would lend addresses which went stale and had to be refreshed manually for the network to continue working |
| 22:47.29 | hramrach | how do you configure the bind? does it use the ISP servers or the root servers? |
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| 22:54.04 | mikefe | hramrach: umm, just though dhcp i believe |
| 22:54.33 | mikefe | i didn't do any configuration, really |
| 22:54.43 | mikefe | i just aptitude install bind9 |
| 22:55.02 | mikefe | configured my local net to use the gateway as the nameserver |
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| 22:55.30 | mikefe | all of the machines still work, and can resolve new addresses even after a couple of hours |
| 22:55.42 | mikefe | but the gateway itself can't |
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| 22:57.34 | nsadmin | how did you configure it |
| 22:57.54 | nsadmin | look at your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:57.59 | nsadmin | is it what you expect? |
| 22:58.06 | mikefe | i don't have anything in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:58.35 | nsadmin | then it won't resolve anything except for in /etc/hosts |
| 22:58.43 | nsadmin | what you can do |
| 22:58.50 | mikefe | but its working right now |
| 22:58.52 | nsadmin | is install resolvconf package |
| 22:58.58 | mikefe | and it will continue to work for a couple of hours |
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| 22:59.37 | nsadmin | and put the name server info in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:59.50 | mikefe | what does resolvconf do? |
| 23:00.30 | nsadmin | it adds syntax/semantics to /etc/network/interfaces such that you can specify name servers and related info in that file |
| 23:00.30 | mikefe | im using dhcp to get dns i think |
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| 23:01.33 | nsadmin | not sure how/why it's working if resolv.conf is not present |
| 23:01.51 | nsadmin | did it used to be a link which got removed? |
| 23:02.06 | mikefe | no |
| 23:03.19 | mikefe | so what happens if i just put in a couple of lines in /etc/resolv.conf to the gateway itself? |
| 23:03.24 | mikefe | it has bind9 running on it |
| 23:03.27 | mikefe | or is that bad to do? |
| 23:03.35 | nsadmin | it might change those lines |
| 23:03.39 | mikefe | or do i just put in my ISP's nameservers in resolv.conf file? |
| 23:03.56 | nsadmin | no it's not bad, or damaging, just ineffective due to how the dhcp client works |
| 23:04.03 | mikefe | ah okay |
| 23:04.29 | nsadmin | your bind9 should forward when it doesn't know... does it do that? |
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| 23:04.38 | mikefe | yes |
| 23:04.45 | nsadmin | so, that part works |
| 23:05.17 | nsadmin | here's what I have for my external interface on my gw |
| 23:05.40 | nsadmin | auto eth1 |
| 23:05.51 | nsadmin | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 23:06.04 | mikefe | thats what i have too |
| 23:06.09 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.51 | nsadmin | those last two lines are only valid because resolvconf is installed |
| 23:07.03 | mikefe | except mine says the same, except mine says manual instead of dhcp |
| 23:07.22 | mikefe | but i have ppp entry in there with a pre-up calling configure on eth1 interface |
| 23:07.23 | nsadmin | and when the interface is brought up, it writes the resolv.conf file |
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| 23:07.51 | nsadmin | so you have two interfaces |
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| 23:08.02 | nsadmin | and you're doing pppoe maybe? |
| 23:08.08 | mikefe | yes |
| 23:08.22 | mikefe | sorry about that |
| 23:08.39 | mikefe | one interface connects to outside world, the other interface connects my local network |
| 23:08.53 | nsadmin | the lines I typed to you are (forms of) my external interface |
| 23:09.08 | mikefe | okay |
| 23:09.31 | mikefe | so should i add a line for dns-nameservers in my /etc/networking/interfaces file? |
| 23:09.41 | mikefe | to itself? |
| 23:09.43 | nsadmin | you could try that |
| 23:09.49 | mikefe | 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:09.51 | mikefe | hmm |
| 23:10.23 | nsadmin | or actually mine points not at localhost but to the local net gateway address (which again is itself) |
| 23:10.39 | ziarkaen | I have compiled a library and the *.so files are in /usr/local/lib. My app says it can't load the *.so.11 file. Do I have to add /usr/local/lib to $PATH? |
| 23:10.46 | nsadmin | an example of that would be 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:11.00 | mikefe | nsadmin: okay, I will put that in and see how it goes |
| 23:11.04 | mikefe | hopefully it will fix my problem |
| 23:11.22 | nsadmin | ziarkaen LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:11.25 | hramrach | ziarkaen: that will not help |
| 23:11.42 | hramrach | yes, or make symlinks, or install the library properly |
| 23:11.50 | mikefe | nsadmin, hramrach: thank you both for your help |
| 23:11.51 | ziarkaen | OK. thanks |
| 23:12.07 | nsadmin | mikefe, stick around, let us know what happens |
| 23:12.12 | amphi | ziarkaen: you should also run ldconfig |
| 23:12.39 | mikefe | nsadmin: okay, I will |
| 23:12.42 | nsadmin | likes the pretty lights when you do ldconfig -v |
| 23:12.46 | hramrach | ziarkaen: rn ldd <your application> to see where it searches for the libraries |
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| 23:13.59 | nsadmin | ziarkaen, also look in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:14.01 | hramrach | nsadmin: have you tried to run the output through festival? |
| 23:14.20 | nsadmin | ooh, what an idea! ;et |
| 23:14.36 | nsadmin | lets get the drunk chick voice to do it! |
| 23:14.42 | amphi | heheh |
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| 23:17.12 | ziarkaen | amphi, Will ldconfig automatically symlink my library in /lib, /usr/lib etc.? |
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| 23:17.50 | zamba | i need help upgrading a system from etch to lenny |
| 23:17.55 | zamba | it's currently stuck somewhere in between |
| 23:18.10 | zamba | it's running a 2.4 kernel which needs to be upgraded first |
| 23:18.14 | qwd | !enter |
| 23:18.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:18.33 | hramrach | ziarkaen: it shuold make the linker aware of hte libraries, wherewer they are .. hopefully |
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| 23:19.10 | amphi | ziarkaen: no |
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| 23:19.50 | ziarkaen | Can I not just edit ld.so.conf to make it check /usr/local/lib? |
| 23:19.58 | nsadmin | you could |
| 23:20.30 | nsadmin | but you can also put /usr/local/lib in the var LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that your app sees it |
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| 23:21.31 | ziarkaen | But I have to do that per-user... |
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| 23:23.42 | zamba | i'm trying to install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf, but this returns the following error: http://pastebin.com/u1f2wbWX.. what to do? |
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| 23:24.28 | nsadmin | ziarkaen oh, so you want it global? |
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| 23:24.44 | nsadmin | you have at least a coupla choices |
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| 23:25.02 | nsadmin | you can add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:25.25 | rww | zamba: Read lines 58 through 62 |
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| 23:25.40 | nsadmin | or you can compile your lib in a place you consider unique to just that lib and add its location to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:26.02 | zamba | rww: that's basically what i'm trying to do now |
| 23:26.13 | nsadmin | for example, you could compile the lib to /usr/local/nameofthatlib |
| 23:26.36 | zamba | rww: http://pastebin.com/3ZRYyL9H |
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| 23:26.52 | ziarkaen | OK. I guess a newer version in /usr/local/lib will conflict with the repo one? |
| 23:26.58 | nsadmin | a second example, postgres generic compiles default location is /usr/local/pgsql |
| 23:27.01 | ziarkaen | Which could cause problems? |
| 23:27.21 | nsadmin | it could, yes |
| 23:27.26 | zamba | rww: so then i tried to explicitly select one of them, and then the first pastebin happened |
| 23:27.39 | nsadmin | which is why LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a choice |
| 23:28.39 | nsadmin | you can write a wrapper script that does LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/yourlib /usr/local/yourapp |
| 23:29.16 | zamba | rww: any idea? |
| 23:29.36 | nsadmin | which will run /usr/local/yourapp with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set |
| 23:29.48 | rww | zamba: I'm looking, one sec |
| 23:32.57 | rww | zamba: what kernel version are you running right now? |
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| 23:33.46 | zamba | rww: 2.4.27-3-686 |
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| 23:35.55 | rww | zamba: try "apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6-686" and see if that works |
| 23:36.19 | rww | zamba: if it does, you could then try the etchnhalf stuff next |
| 23:36.24 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/ihSFKAtv |
| 23:36.29 | zamba | already tried ^ |
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| 23:37.27 | zamba | rww: and then apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/PVwcd2eY |
| 23:37.48 | rww | fun |
| 23:37.52 | zamba | so i'm in kind of a deadlock here |
| 23:38.13 | zamba | rww: i was hoping you'd call it a challenge :)= |
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| 23:38.20 | rww | zamba: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6"? |
| 23:39.15 | zamba | rww: http://pastebin.com/DfCsLjze |
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| 23:44.49 | rww | zamba: Hrm. With the -t etch one, it's pulling in 2.6.26 instead of 2.6.18. Perhaps try apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 23:44.59 | rww | is grasping at straws here |
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| 23:45.25 | zamba | rww: let's see |
| 23:46.44 | zamba | rww: nah, same problem |
| 23:47.04 | zamba | rww: http://pastebin.com/jTdC0PkP |
| 23:50.07 | rww | zamba: alright. I'm out of ideas. Sorry :( |
| 23:50.22 | zamba | rww: going to try going back to pure etch |
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| 23:50.56 | zamba | rww: just to get the package system into a stable state |
| 23:51.07 | zamba | and then get in 2.6 |
| 23:51.10 | zamba | and then upgrade to lenny |
| 23:51.21 | rww | zamba: sounds like a good plan |
| 23:51.41 | Vasistha | zamba: have you read /msg dpkg etch->lenny ? |
| 23:51.41 | zamba | rww: we'll see :) |
| 23:51.55 | zamba | Vasistha: hm? nope |
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| 23:52.06 | zamba | Vasistha: checking now |
| 23:52.42 | zamba | Vasistha: yup.. that's basically what i've done, i think.. only problem was that i was running a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:52.52 | zamba | Vasistha: and i believe that's what has f*cked everything up |
| 23:54.58 | Vasistha | zamba: good luck sorting it out ... non-trivial upgrades can be treacherous. All this stuff has to keep in sync: libc6, kernel, udev, prolly some other things as well |
| 23:55.16 | zamba | Vasistha: thanks :) |
| 23:56.50 | pickcoder | zamba: you still on a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 23:57.20 | zamba | pickcoder: yup :) |
| 23:57.23 | zamba | pickcoder: i'm one of those |
| 23:57.48 | pickcoder | you may be able to set your repos back to etch and get the etch 2.6 |
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| 23:57.59 | aguitel | is grub2 more faster than grub legacy to boot in lenny? |
| 23:58.04 | zamba | pickcoder: that's what i'm doing now |
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