| 00:00.20 | sponzor | we had problems with the admin and we fired him.. he has all the passwords.. we changed root etc... only mail passwords remain |
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| 00:00.38 | Titan8990 | ah! so you are looking for a new one? |
| 00:01.01 | pierrep | remind me of my last employers ;) |
| 00:01.33 | shifty | sponzor: can you see ALL the squirrelmail users in /etc/passwd ? It kind of makes a difference as to how you approach what you want. |
| 00:02.46 | sponzor | yes i can see them |
| 00:03.53 | Titan8990 | so.... your not looking for another admin? :p |
| 00:03.54 | shifty | well then, as root, you just go "passwd USER1" and change their password. HOWEVER, the admin shouldn't have every had the USERS' passwords in the first place... so don't understand why you need to change them |
| 00:04.52 | shifty | OR, just send everyone an email asking them to change their passwords... you're going to have to tell them the new one anyway :-) |
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| 00:06.05 | sponzor | lol. i know this is yust temporary |
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| 00:06.58 | JodaZ | does anyone know how i can limit the speed by tcp connection with tc or iptables ? |
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| 00:39.04 | aitiba | hi |
| 00:39.16 | Sanitoeter | hm what can one do to make his system slower? With a freshly installed debian 1080p videos on youtube were played okay, now there is a big performance loss. It almost looks like a slideshow :( |
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| 00:42.17 | JodaZ | Sanitoeter, run cpu eating processes... |
| 00:42.28 | JodaZ | Sanitoeter, task manager |
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| 00:42.47 | Sanitoeter | there is just firefox and xorg teating cpu |
| 00:42.51 | Sanitoeter | *eating |
| 00:43.46 | Sanitoeter | and my cpu isn't even at 100% while playing, kde shows 60% usage for firefox and 70% overall usage |
| 00:44.28 | JodaZ | also happens after a fresh restart ? |
| 00:44.41 | JodaZ | did you maybe change graphics drivers ? |
| 00:45.31 | Sanitoeter | I still use the radeon drivers. How would I check if the drivers package was updated along with my kernel? |
| 00:45.54 | Titan8990 | Sanitoeter: did you update to a new release? |
| 00:45.59 | Sanitoeter | I believe the kernel was 2.6.32-trunk before, or even 30 |
| 00:46.02 | Sanitoeter | no |
| 00:46.27 | Sanitoeter | this installation is ~1 month old, and it has been debian testing for the whole time |
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| 00:47.30 | abrotman | it's flash |
| 00:47.33 | Sanitoeter | and yes, I believe this also happens after restart. I could check this, tough |
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| 00:48.16 | JodaZ | abrotman, keep hatin on the closed source xD |
| 00:48.26 | Sanitoeter | its flash? I dont remember on updating it |
| 00:48.34 | JodaZ | do you remember installing it ? |
| 00:48.40 | Sanitoeter | yes of course |
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| 00:49.01 | JodaZ | hmm, your install is up to date ? |
| 00:49.12 | JodaZ | i suggest just updating everything |
| 00:49.19 | pedahzur | I'm looking for the source for restartd. It seems the project's maintainer is Aurélien GÃRÃME who also happens to be the debian package maintainer. But I can't find any web site for the source (other than packages.debian.org). Am I correct, or is there an official web site for the restartd project? |
| 00:49.20 | Sanitoeter | okay well it could be flash |
| 00:49.41 | Sanitoeter | I thought I used the .zip from adobe, but I installed flashplayer-nonfree |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | JodaZ: it is flash |
| 00:49.45 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: closed source or not, adobe does a crap job with flash on linux |
| 00:50.07 | Sanitoeter | should I try to get an older version of flashplayer-nonfree? |
| 00:50.17 | JodaZ | Titan8990, looked to me like they were putting in quite som effort when i read their blog |
| 00:50.25 | JodaZ | abrotman, why ? |
| 00:50.34 | abrotman | JodaZ: does youtube work without flash? |
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| 00:50.59 | Titan8990 | abrotman: yes, actually |
| 00:51.17 | abrotman | Titan8990: most people don't use the html5 site |
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| 00:51.26 | abrotman | and gnash doesn't really work |
| 00:52.13 | JodaZ | isn't their html5 page h264 and thus doesn't work on debian either (without those evil media repos) ? |
| 00:52.55 | cygnus_ | hi |
| 00:52.58 | cygnus_ | which package has fsck.swap ? |
| 00:53.20 | funkyHat | I'm trying to track down what I think is a bug in scponly. I can't get rsync to work. I'm getting the error "option 'e' or a related long option is not permitted for use with /usr/bin/rsync (arg was .Ls)" |
| 00:53.36 | nutron | Is there a step-by-step document which outlines how one can package a program and nmu it? |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | nutron: which package are you going to NMU ? |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | cygnus_: why would you fsck swap ? |
| 00:54.16 | Titan8990 | funkyHat: I think you need to configure scponly to allow the rsync command |
| 00:54.38 | cygnus_ | i want to fsck my swap parition |
| 00:54.42 | cygnus_ | how do i do that |
| 00:54.49 | JodaZ | pedahzur, in any case you can get the source directly from debian repositorys |
| 00:55.04 | nutron | abrotman: lirc |
| 00:55.11 | funkyHat | Titan8990: I have the scponly-full package installed, which claims to add support for rsync, unison and svn |
| 00:55.12 | dkr | cygnus_: swapoff, install a filsystem on it, then fsck it, then swapon |
| 00:55.21 | pedahzur | JodaZ: Yeah, I know. I was just looking for an official site thinking it might have some links to RH RPMs or some such. |
| 00:55.27 | pedahzur | JodaZ: Thanks, though. |
| 00:55.37 | Titan8990 | funkyHat: I was thinking of rssh |
| 00:55.42 | cygnus_ | dkr, thanks whats the easiest way to install an fs on it ? |
| 00:55.56 | Titan8990 | funkyHat: did you check the docs in /usr/share/doc/scp*/doc/* |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | cygnus_: this is silly .. why are you trying to do this ? |
| 00:56.07 | dkr | cygnus_: that was a joke. |
| 00:56.11 | cygnus_ | i am scared it has bad sectors |
| 00:57.01 | nutron | cygnus_: try running badblocks on it |
| 00:57.14 | funkyHat | Titan8990: I think I've read all of them, I'll check again |
| 00:57.22 | nutron | abrotman: even the ubuntu maintainer offered a package. |
| 00:57.38 | cygnus_ | thanks |
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| 01:00.40 | Sanitoeter | restarting (the Xserver) did not change things |
| 01:01.46 | funkyHat | Titan8990: that doesn't give me any more clues |
| 01:02.13 | funkyHat | I've found this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=556736 which looks relevant, but I've carried out the change that the bug is about and still get the same error message |
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| 01:03.23 | r3m | Hi, I really dont know if me or someone has touch some key because now I cant save anything because the file system is read only, how can I chance that please |
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| 01:03.43 | rzeka | How can I check UID and GID of some user? |
| 01:04.03 | nevyn | rzeka: id user |
| 01:04.14 | funkyHat | Here is the whole output with scponly's debuglevel set to 2: http://pastie.org/904805 |
| 01:06.46 | funkyHat | There's no newer version in sid that I can try unfortunately |
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| 01:07.07 | crazygir | hiya, is it possible to have more than one active pptp connection? I have a cellular wireless card which uses pptp, and I'm looking to connect to a pptp vpn, but connecting to the vpn kicks my cellular connection |
| 01:07.45 | crazygir | r3m: man mount? might also want to check what df -h has to say |
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| 01:13.35 | poi77 | Hi! I am looking for a bootable DVD of squeeze. Where can I find an iso for the DVD (what link)? |
| 01:15.07 | dutchfish | poi77: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 01:15.07 | adb | !netinstall |
| 01:15.07 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 01:15.33 | adb | poi77, ^^ |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | poi77: please use the netinst for squeeze, downloading a whole ISO is not a good idea |
| 01:15.42 | poi77 | dutchfish: Thanks, I saw this link, but where can I find a bootable, somewhat stable, squeeze |
| 01:15.46 | rgr_ | netinst isnt a live cd |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | adb: and where is the useful informatoin in there ? |
| 01:15.59 | rgr_ | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | rgr_: bootable, not 'live' |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | poi77: you want to install to a system permanently, correct? |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | poi77: i386? amd64? |
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| 01:16.47 | rgr_ | fair enough, I thouht he meant live from context but could be wrong. |
| 01:16.50 | poi77 | abrotman: 64 |
| 01:16.59 | poi77 | I need a iso for a vm |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | poi77: you can use the netinst .. it's a much better use of network resources |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:17.20 | dutchfish | poi77: the way it worked best for me is using the lenny installer. Install a base (minimal) and dist-upgrade to squeeze from a lenny net-install cd |
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| 01:17.58 | dutchfish | poi77: that way you save the most bandwidth and time |
| 01:18.16 | rgr_ | dutchfish: why not just use the testing install netinst? |
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| 01:18.40 | dutchfish | rgr_: because that can bite you on some arch's |
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| 01:18.52 | abrotman | oh well, i already gave him the URL |
| 01:20.01 | poi77 | Does net-install automatically fetch the appropriate files, assuming a network connection? |
| 01:20.02 | rgr_ | guess ... |
| 01:20.02 | dutchfish | poi77: yes |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | poi77: it can, it does not require an internet connection to install a base system |
| 01:20.02 | rgr_ | its pretty good. |
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| 01:20.11 | poi77 | Thanks, I will try that |
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| 01:20.50 | rgr_ | the only thing a squeeze netinst didnt do for me properly last week was to include the windows partitions in the grub menu. It should have. running update grub after the install it then included them properly. |
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| 01:21.37 | dutchfish | rgr_: os-prober ;) |
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| 01:22.46 | dutchfish | rgr_: also lot of fixes in initramfs-tools 0.94 (coming soon) |
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| 01:27.27 | dutchfish | rgr_: last but not least grub2 needs some more tinkering http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=grub2 |
| 01:30.01 | rgr_ | had me quite worried as it was a brand new (well unused) thinkpad and I thought the installer had wiped xp for a moment. |
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| 01:30.35 | dutchfish | rgr_: yep, grub2 can be shocking, but it doe sit's job ;) |
| 01:31.27 | dutchfish | rgr_: leaving something alone when it does not understand, is not a bug but a feature ;) |
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| 01:36.41 | dutchfish | but the rough edges will be gone as soon as squeeze is frozen, then the installer will improve dramatically i expect |
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| 01:56.19 | funkyHat | I've "made" a package using debuild... how do I actually build that package? |
| 01:56.59 | WormFood | why the hell does 'grip' not auto-eject the disk, after ripping? I've configured it to do so, but it has only worked maybe 3 or 4 times, out of 50 tries. |
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| 01:58.46 | funkyHat | Eh, I think I did it wrong anyway |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | grip is pretty much dead |
| 01:59.29 | WormFood | abrotman, then what do you suggest? |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | another application .. |
| 01:59.45 | WormFood | that is less than helpful |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | i personally wrote a wrapper around jack |
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| 01:59.53 | abrotman | a lot of people like sound juicer |
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| 02:00.14 | WormFood | I don't like how sound juicer does not zero pad the track names |
| 02:00.24 | WormFood | so in a directory listing, 10 comes between 1 and 2 |
| 02:00.39 | WormFood | er, I mean, track numbers |
| 02:00.39 | funkyHat | I used to use abcde |
| 02:00.51 | funkyHat | I just use sound juicer these days though |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | WormFood: i don't use sound juicer, but that seems like something that would be easy to fix or there should be an option for it |
| 02:01.43 | WormFood | I'm not encoding the sound files, I'm just ripping them straight to wav files (I'll convert them to various other formats later) |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | dunno, jack was ideal for me .. |
| 02:02.07 | WormFood | I'd use cdparanoia, if it would retrieve the track names for me |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | basically, i used cdinfo to see if there was an audio CD in the drive, and then ripped it .. |
| 02:02.19 | funkyHat | pretty sure abcde can do just ripping and storing as wav |
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| 02:02.57 | jhambo | which version of debian for intel core 2 duo? |
| 02:03.01 | WormFood | is cdinfo a stand-alone program? |
| 02:03.06 | funkyHat | WormFood: just had a look at sound juicer's gconf and you can set it to 0-pad |
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| 02:03.28 | WormFood | funkyHat, then I must have overlooked it, because I did look for it |
| 02:03.47 | funkyHat | WormFood: the program's preferences dialog doesn't give you all the options |
| 02:03.48 | WormFood | jhambo, it depends on if you want 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | jhambo: i386 or amd64 |
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| 02:04.45 | funkyHat | The long description of /apps/sound-juicer/file_pattern lists all of the available options |
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| 02:05.34 | jhambo | I recall hearing some time ago that quite a bit of software doesn't work right on 64 bit. Is that still the case? any benefit to using amd64 for the basic user? |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | jhambo: mostly just 3rd party binary only stuff now |
| 02:06.19 | funkyHat | I've only experienced one very esoteric issue with 64bit |
| 02:06.56 | funkyHat | Even most 3rd party binary stuff should be ok as long as the relevant 32bit libs are installed |
| 02:07.32 | jhambo | I'm so boneheaded I downloaded the ia64 version of CD1. Now I'm at home with no cd burner and I can't even find my usb thumb drive :( |
| 02:08.04 | WormFood | jhambo, you don't want "ia64", you want "amd64" |
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| 02:08.29 | WormFood | also, unless something changed, laptops with core 2 duo, do not support 64-bit from what I've read |
| 02:08.42 | funkyHat | Sure they do |
| 02:09.00 | adb | funkyHat, not mine |
| 02:09.02 | Titan8990 | WormFood: you may be confused with atoms |
| 02:09.04 | funkyHat | Often they don't support the virtualisation instructions |
| 02:09.30 | jhambo | WormFood: yah. THis means I have to actually boot into windows to make a new CD. Was hoping to never boot into it... |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | funkyHat: mine does |
| 02:09.35 | funkyHat | adb: and it's definitely a core 2? |
| 02:09.37 | cygnus_ | where does fsck log to if it's scheduled at reboot ? |
| 02:09.51 | WormFood | no Titan8990, I'm not thinking of the Atoms |
| 02:10.06 | adb | funkyHat, no, only 2 |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | funkyHat: it was certain vendors that did that |
| 02:10.16 | Titan8990 | WormFood: well, core 2 duo laptop chips and atoms now both support amd64 |
| 02:10.19 | WormFood | but from what I remember reading, all core 2 duos support 64-bit, except the laptop models |
| 02:10.28 | Titan8990 | WormFood: not all atoms, and possibly not all core2s however |
| 02:10.29 | WormFood | when did they change that? |
| 02:10.32 | funkyHat | adb: huh? |
| 02:10.46 | WormFood | if they support it now, then it would have been a fairly recent change |
| 02:11.05 | jhambo | WormFood: woops but I've got a laptop. Does that mean I should go with i386? |
| 02:11.17 | adb | funkyHat, nvm, i was wrong |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | jhambo: either is fine |
| 02:11.42 | jhambo | Does my decision effect ability to use virtualbox? |
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| 02:11.44 | abrotman | mine is c2d and has the lm and vmx flags .. |
| 02:11.47 | WormFood | jhambo, perhaps....you can try amd64 and see if it works, or lookup your cpu and verify it supports 64-bit |
| 02:11.51 | abrotman | thinks those are the right lfags |
| 02:12.14 | jhambo | WormFood: where do I check for support? |
| 02:12.16 | funkyHat | WormFood: perhaps you are confusing core and core 2 |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | jhambo: is it a fairly new laptop ? |
| 02:12.25 | WormFood | jhambo, you should always be safe with ia32 |
| 02:12.28 | WormFood | perhaps funkyHat |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | jhambo: i'm sure the amd64 version will work fine |
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| 02:14.09 | abrotman | k\t: HI! |
| 02:14.39 | k\t | lol, hi |
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| 02:15.41 | jhambo | abrotman: yah it's a lenovo sl410 processor is Intel Core 2 Duo T6670 2.2G |
| 02:15.44 | WormFood | funkyHat, yeah, I think you're right...I'm getting the core and core 2 duo mixed up |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | jhambo: i'm sure you'll be fine |
| 02:16.06 | WormFood | jhambo, if you want 64-bit, then go with amd64 (not ia64) |
| 02:16.29 | WormFood | despite the "amd" in the name, intel uses the same instructions, it was just developed by AMD |
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| 02:17.25 | jhambo | does tyhe small "netinst" cd image contain all the drivers I might need to utilize the wireless in my new laptop for install, or would I be safer using a full cd? |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | jhambo: intel 5100 ? |
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| 02:18.38 | jhutchins_lt | jhambo: As allways, it would be easiest and faster to install over a wired connection, then get the wifi working. |
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| 02:22.38 | jhambo | abrotman: not sure. not having luck finding out what the wireless card is... |
| 02:23.21 | jhambo | abrotman: oh wait: intell WiFi Link 1000 BGN |
| 02:23.27 | jhambo | intel |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | jhambo: i'll take a guess and say the wifi won't work without firmware, but you can try it |
| 02:25.27 | Titan8990 | !iwlagn |
| 02:25.27 | dpkg | [iwlagn] the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 02:25.57 | Titan8990 | jhambo: you need firmware and backports kernel if your on lenny |
| 02:26.56 | jhambo | gah every laptop I've had the wireless is always a problem. Damn |
| 02:27.27 | Titan8990 | thats not bad, it could have been broadcom |
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| 02:31.05 | jhambo | Is running a backported kernel problematic in other ways? |
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| 02:33.19 | pierrep | oin #security |
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| 02:33.38 | pierrep | erf il est tard |
| 02:34.09 | funkyHat | What's the correct versioning scheme for a deb built from cvs? |
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| 02:36.12 | Titan8990 | jhambo: not typically but its possible |
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| 02:42.03 | ka0tic | ok, i installed the wifi driver with ndiswrapper it says the "driver is installed and the pci device is present" ... but nm-applet is still not seeing anything? nor is the light blinking on the card, what is wrong??? |
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| 02:51.06 | poi77 | Hi! I need to compile some c++ software on my new debian install. But g++ is not found. What packages do I need? |
| 02:51.43 | adb | !b-e |
| 02:51.43 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 02:52.15 | poi77 | adb: thanks |
| 02:52.33 | adb | yw |
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| 03:11.23 | liable | !qptd0 |
| 03:11.35 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 03:11.36 | dpkg | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
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| 03:12.24 | krisfremen | o.0 |
| 03:13.35 | ham5 | YAY TO THE MAINTANER DOING GNOME!!! |
| 03:15.07 | adb | Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
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| 03:18.44 | phil_bw | hey everyone, I am struggling to get fvwm to work right with debians menus. I've been in their channel for a while now and we're stumped. The script that install-menu runs just hangs when I run it. Is there any way to find out what it's hanging on? |
| 03:19.33 | adb | phil_bw, on lenny ? |
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| 03:20.02 | phil_bw | adb, yes |
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| 03:20.43 | adb | checked BTS ? |
| 03:20.54 | phil_bw | BTS? |
| 03:21.05 | liable | phil_bw: make the script set -x or somehow verbose if its perl or something |
| 03:21.13 | liable | see where it hangs |
| 03:21.46 | phil_bw | I set verbose mode but it doesn't really tell much, since it's running a debian binary instead of just /bin/sh |
| 03:22.05 | liable | oh, bleh |
| 03:22.37 | peterrooney | phil_bw: i'd bet tomorrow morning's coffee that the debian "binary" is a script, |
| 03:22.51 | liable | likely |
| 03:22.59 | phil_bw | starts with: #!/usr/bin/install-menu |
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| 03:23.46 | phil_bw | and /usr/bin/install-menu starts with: ^?ELF^A^A^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^B^@(^@^A^@^@^@^X³^@^@4^@^@^@ |
| 03:23.55 | peterrooney | well, no cofee for me tomorrow morning.... |
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| 03:24.29 | adb | !beer peterrooney |
| 03:24.29 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Bornem Tripple for peterrooney |
| 03:24.30 | peterrooney | phil_bw: but for you, you can change that to #!/usr/bin/install-menu -v |
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| 03:25.09 | phil_bw | peterrooney, already tried that |
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| 03:25.17 | peterrooney | (drat. i LIKE coffee in the AM). |
| 03:25.25 | phil_bw | it doesn't really give any error as to why it's not finishing |
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| 03:39.37 | kdas | wasup plp |
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| 03:41.10 | kdas | So, I am having a particular problem. I have a slimmed down version of debian on a soekris net4511 but i can only get a maximum of 10Mbps throughput on the natsemi nics which are 10/100. Any ideas why its not giving me 100Mbps? |
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| 03:42.34 | kdas | this room is alot quieter than i remember, did everyone goto ubuntu ? |
| 03:44.23 | sevenop | only the wimps |
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| 03:45.29 | kdas | hahah |
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| 03:48.49 | xuser | kdas: what kind of traffic? |
| 03:49.31 | kdas | i am connected to the soekris via my laptop and i am just hosting a file which i download to the box to test the speeds |
| 03:49.45 | xuser | what protocol you dummy |
| 03:50.04 | kdas | if i connect my laptop with my wifes ubuntu box no problem i get 9XMbps but on this debian soekris box only 10 :( |
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| 03:50.11 | kdas | tcp |
| 03:50.36 | xuser | http? |
| 03:51.17 | ham5 | check iptables |
| 03:51.17 | ham5 | too |
| 03:51.27 | kdas | yea |
| 03:51.32 | kdas | iptables are fine |
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| 03:52.32 | kdas | any ideas? |
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| 03:56.05 | Rapsodius | hello, trying to pull xserver from lenny, but is there another alternative to pinning?, pinning all xserver-xorg-input/video* packages by hand is rather boring, help please |
| 03:56.44 | hayleyw | lenny is stable. why would you pin stable? |
| 03:56.55 | Rapsodius | because it works |
| 03:57.02 | ham5 | lol |
| 03:57.15 | hayleyw | so what the hell are you trying to mix/fuck with? |
| 03:57.39 | xuser | kdas: you don't make any sense |
| 03:57.54 | kdas | xuser: how you mean ? |
| 03:58.01 | Rapsodius | get the whole x11/x.org thing from stable since on testing it doesn't load, and keep all the fresh packages from testing |
| 03:58.05 | ham5 | force package -> stable perhaps Rapsodius |
| 03:58.11 | Rapsodius | how? |
| 03:58.13 | kdas | xuser: i have a box its only going 10Mbps when it should be going 100Mbps simple |
| 03:58.18 | ham5 | u run testing x |
| 03:58.21 | Rapsodius | there are a lot of packages |
| 03:58.22 | ham5 | works fine for me |
| 03:58.30 | ham5 | gpu: G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] 320Mb nVidia module v195.36.15 -xserver v1.7.6- @ 2560 x 1024 |
| 03:58.33 | xuser | kdas: and vague |
| 03:58.35 | Rapsodius | ham5: no it doesn't run for me |
| 03:58.44 | hayleyw | !doesnt work |
| 03:58.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 03:59.15 | Rapsodius | don't bug me with factoids, i want solutions <grin> |
| 03:59.31 | hayleyw | i want FACTS so i can give you SOLUTIONS |
| 03:59.37 | kdas | brb |
| 03:59.56 | Rapsodius | i tried making a pin with xserver-xorg* but seems the asterisk only works for pinning ALL packages, which i donÂ't want to |
| 04:00.27 | hayleyw | my mama's fat. please tell me to how fix her |
| 04:00.58 | Rapsodius | hayleyw: what extra info do you need? |
| 04:01.26 | Rapsodius | I only want to get the thing from lenny not to fix a potentially broken squeeze x.org installation |
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| 04:01.28 | nkuttler | Rapsodius: if you read that factoid you'd know |
| 04:01.30 | hayleyw | like the factoid said, something that can help, like specific error messages or xorg.log from when x fails to load |
| 04:01.44 | Rapsodius | error setting MTRR |
| 04:01.51 | nkuttler | Rapsodius: downgrade is not supported |
| 04:01.55 | Rapsodius | invalid ioctl for device (25) |
| 04:02.13 | Rapsodius | nkuttler: then I will support it: pin-priority: 1200 |
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| 04:02.35 | hayleyw | Rapsodius, you need to understand that we're not psychic |
| 04:02.39 | Rapsodius | there you go, error messages |
| 04:03.56 | Rapsodius | ok, this is the complete error: |
| 04:04.03 | Rapsodius | I will pastebin |
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| 04:04.54 | Rapsodius | so wait for it, I stuck at a tty so i need to install pastebinit |
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| 04:04.55 | kdas | is it possible that a 100mhz 64ram embeded pc with a 10/100 nic wont transfer at 100Mbps because of the hardware bottlenecking? |
| 04:05.06 | hayleyw | kdas, yes |
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| 04:05.54 | sevenop | Preferred windows manager, anyone? |
| 04:05.56 | kdas | because i have a fonera and a soekris and both are maxing out at like 12Mbps which sucks |
| 04:06.07 | Bop | sevenop, xfce |
| 04:06.11 | kdas | hayleyw: so thats possible that this is the reason its not going faster? |
| 04:06.17 | Rapsodius | sevenop: fluxbox |
| 04:06.26 | hayleyw | kdas, absolutely |
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| 04:07.20 | sevenop | bop, rapsodius; funny the response, I like both. |
| 04:07.24 | sevenop | Anyone else? |
| 04:07.49 | Bop | what do expect then ? |
| 04:08.20 | sevenop | kdas: 12mbit or 12 mbyte? |
| 04:08.30 | kdas | hayleyw: 12 mbit |
| 04:08.40 | kdas | sevenop: ^* |
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| 04:09.11 | kdas | hayleyw: so what kind of hardware you think i need to get a full 100mbps out of a 10/100 nic? |
| 04:09.30 | hayleyw | kdas, probably 250MHz |
| 04:10.04 | kdas | wow thats like newest routers out there |
| 04:10.30 | master | I added "testing" to /etc/apt/sources-list, did "apt-get update", and "apt-get install kde-minimal" but it gives this error with no details: kde-minimal: Depends: kdebase-apps (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:10.32 | kdas | what about 10/100/1000 aka gb throuput? |
| 04:10.32 | ham5 | newegg search |
| 04:10.43 | hayleyw | uh, no. not unless you live in the congo |
| 04:11.05 | sevenop | kdas: I'm not sure I agree with haleyw. I'd run some tests copying data to /dev/null to see speed locally, and then move to connecting to localhost. |
| 04:12.09 | kdas | sevenop: i tried connecting the embeded device to my laptop directly via cat 5 and set up http server on laptop and then wget a file off my laptop saved it to /dev/null and only got 10mbps |
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| 04:13.16 | NiLon | kdas remember that routers got optimized algos for network stuff and don't need that good cpu to process more info than normal pc cpu |
| 04:13.33 | Rapsodius | hayleyw: I'm uninstalling and then reinstalling again my X server so if anymore problems arise, I will post here |
| 04:14.03 | kdas | NiLon: thats what i thought but obviuosly my router is failing :( |
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| 04:14.44 | kdas | NiLon: i have a fonera and its maxing out at 10-12Mbps when i doload to dev/null and i got a net connection of 30Mbps |
| 04:15.04 | ka0tic | anyone use snort? :) |
| 04:15.05 | sevenop | kdas: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1000k count=10000 |
| 04:15.15 | sevenop | kdas: speed / second? |
| 04:16.25 | Rapsodius | ham5: hmmm, how much time passed since your last xorg upgrade? |
| 04:16.56 | Rapsodius | ham5: or if you don't know, the time from your last apt-get upgrade |
| 04:17.00 | jhambo | if I need a backported kernel (intel core 2 Duo) is linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 probably the right one? |
| 04:17.12 | master | Is there any way to get WHY? out of apt-get's stupid error message like: kde-minimal: Depends: kdebase-apps (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:17.26 | master | Or is apt-get just being a dick. |
| 04:17.41 | ham5 | like 10 hours if that |
| 04:17.54 | ham5 | just updated a buncha gnome stuff |
| 04:18.09 | sevenop | kdas: Speed? |
| 04:18.21 | kdas | sevenop: its not reporting speed |
| 04:18.40 | Rapsodius | master: did you try apt-get install kdebase-apps kde-minimal? |
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| 04:19.02 | sevenop | kdas: What is the last line it outputs? |
| 04:19.02 | master | Rapsodius: will try that now |
| 04:19.11 | Rapsodius | master: or better, replace apt-get with aptitude, apt-get has a poor dependency solving system |
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| 04:20.01 | kdas | sevenop: i have to ctrl-c it otherwise it keeps going |
| 04:20.07 | kdas | it dont output anything |
| 04:20.16 | sevenop | kdas: Lower the count, count=1000 |
| 04:20.25 | sevenop | count=100 even |
| 04:20.34 | master | Rapsodius: ok.. that gave me the same errors w other similar msgs.. tried those too and seems to be working |
| 04:20.47 | Rapsodius | hayleyw: I can't seem to select text with gpm on the gdm error screen so I'll put the relevant lines here |
| 04:21.18 | kdas | sevenop: 10240000000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 10.0118 s, 1.0 GB/s |
| 04:21.30 | Rapsodius | error setting MTRR (base = 0xe7000000, size = 0x00800000, type = 1) |
| 04:21.34 | Rapsodius | that's it |
| 04:21.57 | Rapsodius | also: "Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)" |
| 04:22.11 | Rapsodius | that's x server outputs |
| 04:22.14 | kdas | sevenop: good bad? |
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| 04:23.24 | ham5 | got the right privledges? |
| 04:23.31 | ham5 | looks like it needs root |
| 04:23.37 | sevenop | kdas: Faster than your 12mbit. :) I'd actually argue that there may be something else wrong. |
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| 04:25.15 | kdas | sevenop: thats just local copy though i am concerned about over LAN |
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| 04:25.58 | Rapsodius | Well, that bunch of text was my Xorg error output, so anyone is invited to give me a hand with that not only hayleyw |
| 04:26.02 | sevenop | kdas: Yes, and there is overhead, but not enough to slow down the connection to 12mbit. 12mbyte is the limit of your 100mbit connection, I think you can hit that with 100mhz. |
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| 04:26.45 | kdas | sevenop: i thought so too. however i am not able to get over 12/mbit per sec |
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| 04:27.15 | kdas | sevenop: you have any idea what would be stopping it ? |
| 04:28.30 | sevenop | kdas: 12mbit = 10mbyte. Possibly your network card is running at 10. |
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| 04:28.59 | kdas | sevenop: ethtool says its 100 ful duplex |
| 04:29.19 | Rapsodius | sevenop: you're wrong 1mbyte= 8mbit so 10mbyte=80mbit |
| 04:29.54 | nsadmin | what does inkscape have in the way of scripting languages? in that sense, is it like emacs(elisp), aolserver(tcl), gimp(scheme)? |
| 04:29.58 | Rapsodius | then 12mbit=1.5 mbyte/sec |
| 04:30.05 | kdas | sevenop: curl http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.34-rc3.tar.bz2 -o /dev/null reports avg speed of 1068k i should be getting 30Mbps |
| 04:30.18 | kdas | Rapsodius: correct |
| 04:30.54 | nsadmin | each byte is framed in two additional bits |
| 04:31.37 | nsadmin | so 12 mbit/sec should be 1.2 mbytes/sec |
| 04:32.00 | sevenop | rapsodius: yes you are correct, my apologies |
| 04:32.21 | Rapsodius | nsadmin: what? |
| 04:32.30 | nsadmin | start bit/stop bit |
| 04:32.36 | nsadmin | those are the two additional bits |
| 04:32.38 | kdas | sevenop: i am running openwrt on this fonera and thats what i am getting only 1068k out of my 30Mbps :( |
| 04:33.04 | Rapsodius | so each byte has only 6 bits remaining for the info right? |
| 04:33.11 | nsadmin | so each 8-bit is actually 10 bits when transmitted over ether |
| 04:33.23 | kdas | sevenop: so far only the hardware bottle neck is making sense to me :( |
| 04:33.46 | Rapsodius | interesting.. |
| 04:33.49 | nsadmin | no, each byte is 8 bits (so, you get full info) |
| 04:34.00 | nsadmin | you add two bits, that's 10 per frame |
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| 04:34.21 | sevenop | kdas: Yes, any way to see if you get the same connection rate via rsync locally? |
| 04:34.23 | nsadmin | which goes back to serial communication |
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| 04:35.11 | nsadmin | having said all that, ethernet and ip is packets, so there's some overhead there too |
| 04:35.21 | kdas | sevenop: as i said before when i transfer locally on LAN i get capped at 12 Mbps just as if i were to do a speedtest |
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| 04:36.22 | nsadmin | kdas: so, what boxes are connected between the two machines you're transfering to/from? |
| 04:36.31 | dutchfish | kdas: is your mtu size correct? can that box handle that load? does your uplink support that? |
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| 04:36.46 | kdas | nsadmin: nothing its direct |
| 04:36.54 | kdas | dutchfish: mtu is set to auto |
| 04:36.54 | nsadmin | so JUST a wire? |
| 04:37.03 | kdas | dutchfish: or at leas i did not set it |
| 04:37.04 | nsadmin | NOTHING else? |
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| 04:37.13 | kdas | nsadmin: i tried with just wire and with switch |
| 04:37.21 | kdas | both same results |
| 04:37.46 | sevenop | kdas: Maximum xfer is 1mbit yes? |
| 04:38.00 | nsadmin | ok, I'll take a shot in the dark and say it might have something to do with the two ethernet cards negotiating speed with each other |
| 04:38.22 | dutchfish | or are not in full duplex at one side? |
| 04:38.41 | nsadmin | that would be a matter of negotiation too |
| 04:38.47 | kdas | sevenop: 1.2 myte 12mbits |
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| 04:39.10 | nsadmin | that is, the negotiation determines whether full duplex is turned on on both sides |
| 04:39.14 | kdas | dutchfish: both laptop and the nice i am connected to is full duplex |
| 04:39.34 | nsadmin | so you're saying what, |
| 04:39.50 | sevenop | 1.2mbyte = 10mbit, what I had meant to say earlier, but was sidetracked. Rapsodius corrected. |
| 04:39.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:40.46 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.56 | kdas | nsadmin: they are compatable and ethtool says they in full |
| 04:41.03 | kdas | nsadmin: ye |
| 04:41.10 | nsadmin | so, both. |
| 04:41.16 | kdas | nsadmin: once again yes |
| 04:41.41 | nsadmin | does the ethtool show the connection speed? |
| 04:41.41 | sevenop | nsadmin: Full duplex wouldn't matter anyway. |
| 04:41.57 | nsadmin | right, not for one-direction transfer |
| 04:42.20 | dutchfish | kdas: what happens with a x-wire? have you checked that, to exclude the switch ... |
| 04:42.24 | kdas | nsadmin: yes both show 100 |
| 04:42.30 | sevenop | kdas: I can only think it's negotiating at 100mbit, but isn't capable of pulling more than 10. I'm thinking the card is the limiting factor still. I think the cpu should be capable of that kinda of data transfer. |
| 04:42.43 | kdas | dutchfish: i excludeswitch but used nor,al cat5 |
| 04:42.46 | nsadmin | so you should be getting 10 m byte |
| 04:43.25 | kdas | sevenop: the box has 2 nics so i would not be suprised but is there a way to change it or just its a crappy nic? |
| 04:43.44 | nsadmin | what nic is it? |
| 04:43.46 | kdas | also the fonera only has 1 nic but same issue is it just nics in embeded devices suck? |
| 04:43.51 | kdas | nsadmin: natsemi |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin | they've been around a LONG time |
| 04:44.11 | sevenop | kdas: Crappy nic maybe. Does dmesg report nic type? |
| 04:44.23 | nsadmin | way wayyyy before linux and probably even any unix |
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| 04:44.45 | kdas | sevenop: its a natsemi |
| 04:44.52 | nsadmin | on both sides? |
| 04:44.54 | kdas | sevenop: you want the model ? |
| 04:45.04 | kdas | sevenop: no on embeded device the one in question |
| 04:45.13 | nsadmin | well what does lspci -nn say about each side? |
| 04:45.21 | sevenop | kdas: Yeah, I'm thinking maybe there is a known issue with it reporting 100mbit but actually xferring at 10mbit. |
| 04:45.39 | kdas | sevenop: i will get it for you one sec |
| 04:46.57 | kdas | sevenop: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 |
| 04:47.00 | sevenop | kdas: Nic's in embedded devices don't necessarily suck, but they may assume the xfer rate will never be above a certain value, so they report 100mbit (so your little switch light doesn't only show 10) but only xfer at 10mbit or even have only a 10mbit controller. |
| 04:47.06 | the|herbivore | anyone have any recommendations for which ftp package to use for a ftp server build? |
| 04:47.39 | sevenop | kdas: First line in national.com's site: IEEE 802.3 Compliant, PCI V2.2 MAC/BIU supports traditional data rates of 10 Mb/s Ethernet and 100 Mb/s Fast Ethernet (via internal phy) |
| 04:47.49 | kdas | sevenop: is there a way to find/set these settings |
| 04:47.50 | sevenop | 100 MB/s Fast Ethernet (via internal phy) |
| 04:48.02 | dutchfish | the|herbivore: vsftp, proftpd ? |
| 04:48.05 | kdas | sevenop: internal phy = ? |
| 04:48.23 | kdas | excuse my ignorance |
| 04:48.29 | Rapsodius | oh c'mon I want to fix xserver, I'm puzzled without it+ |
| 04:48.56 | Rapsodius | its a fresh squeeze install, I don't understand why there are problems |
| 04:49.04 | sevenop | kdas: Possibly only via internal physical connection. Meaning that it's max throughput is 100MB/s, but that could be only inside the card. |
| 04:49.05 | the|herbivore | dutchfish: thanks, yes, wanting to get an idea of what is more widely used |
| 04:49.10 | sevenop | rapsodius: Problem? |
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| 04:49.22 | nsadmin | well what does lspci -nn say about each side? |
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| 04:49.36 | kdas | sevenop: huh ? inside the card? |
| 04:49.45 | sevenop | kdas: Ethtool will set 100, but if it's already showing that, you may be out of luck. |
| 04:50.19 | the|herbivore | anyone have xp with wu-ftpd? |
| 04:50.20 | Rapsodius | sevenop: Xorg log http://paste2.org/p/759533 |
| 04:50.29 | sevenop | kdas: If you were to route to anther IP, without ever leaving the card the connection may be 100mbit. I'm just guessing here, but I cannot figure out why it'd say "via internal phy". |
| 04:50.33 | Rapsodius | actual error is : |
| 04:50.38 | Rapsodius | error setting MTRR (base = 0xe7000000, size = 0x00800000, type = 1) |
| 04:50.49 | Rapsodius | using gdm |
| 04:51.06 | kdas | sevenop: oh so the 2 cards communicate at 100mbits but when it leaves the board it is 10 ? |
| 04:51.27 | sevenop | rapsodius: Without gdm, error using startx? |
| 04:51.30 | kdas | sevenop: what about this one.. this is the ethernet controller in my fonera same issue eth0: Atheros AR231x: |
| 04:52.44 | sevenop | kdas: When it leaves via cable probably. Into the board may very well be 100Mbit. Run your same wget command and you get the same speed with AR231x? |
| 04:52.47 | Rapsodius | sevenop: strange, with startx i get the same error, but X starts |
| 04:53.28 | dutchfish | kdas, maybe i have missed that, but what debian and what kernel are you running? |
| 04:53.51 | kdas | sevenop: yes sir |
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| 04:54.25 | kdas | dutchfish: fonera = openwrt 2.6.30,,, soekris debian 2.6.23 |
| 04:55.45 | Rapsodius | maybe is a configuration problem in gdm after all, but what could it be? |
| 04:56.02 | kdas | sevenop: any idea? |
| 04:56.10 | kdas | its a fonera 2200 |
| 04:56.47 | dutchfish | kdas: what happens when you run iperf with a smaller packet size? |
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| 04:59.50 | sevenop | kdas: How is it connected to the internet? There is a handful of issues that could be causing the problem. I'd fire up a server locally, even ssh, and see if you can break the barrier connecting from local host. The task is to get higher than 1.25 mbit. |
| 04:59.53 | kdas | dutchfish: dont have access to that in my openwrt box and the embedded one running debian i am working on the CF so cant touch it. But why would that help me in reallife? shouldnt the MTU auto be enough? |
| 05:00.37 | kdas | sevenop: i tried the following. DOwnload from net to null same speed then set up server on laptop and download file locally same speed |
| 05:00.41 | Rapsodius | well any serious alternative to gdm? |
| 05:00.47 | kdas | sevenop: what more ? |
| 05:00.55 | kdas | Rapsodius: you look at slim ? |
| 05:00.57 | Rapsodius | no don't say xdm |
| 05:01.00 | Rapsodius | no |
| 05:01.02 | dutchfish | kdas: there is where my doubts are |
| 05:01.05 | sevenop | rapsodius: Firstly make sure you have the latest patches, debian aptitude update && aptitude upgrade are probably a really good start. Secondly, I'd remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or wherver your xorg.conf) may be. At least rename it, and see if gdm can identify the issue. If not, maybe try running kdm/xdm as a fix. If X is working and gdm is not, it's likely a gdm bug. |
| 05:01.07 | Rapsodius | I'll check it out |
| 05:01.37 | dutchfish | kdas: i have seen older cards that needed 6 bytes less then the usual |
| 05:01.53 | Rapsodius | sevenop: thanks I did the update/upgrade part already, and my errors where with no xorg.conf |
| 05:01.59 | kdas | dutchfish: oh well let me check hold on |
| 05:02.01 | Rapsodius | also did X -configure |
| 05:02.06 | sevenop | kdas: Any other computers? Or maybe just scp to local host ip? For instance if your local host ip is 10.10.1.1 scp files such as scp bigfile kdas@10.10.1.1:/home/kdas/bigfile |
| 05:02.19 | Rapsodius | and copied the resultant xorg.conf into /etc/X11 , but nada |
| 05:02.23 | kdas | sevodid that |
| 05:02.59 | Rapsodius | kdas: I'm installing slim |
| 05:03.23 | kdas | sevenop: i did that and i tested against another computer as well |
| 05:03.38 | sevenop | rapsodius: When you run startx, it's taking X --configure file and using that auto detection. The strange part here is that GDM isn't following Xorg's auto detection. I'm not familiar enough with gdm to tell you where the issue may be. Have you tried xdm or kdm instead? Also, just for conflicts sake, did you make sure that only gdm is running (no xdm and kdm as well)? |
| 05:03.47 | kdas | dutchfish: can we just set the mtu to low and test or do i need ipref? |
| 05:04.06 | dutchfish | kdas: you can give it a swirl anyway |
| 05:04.12 | sevenop | kdas: When you scp to your local computer, it should never leave the net card, does the speed pass 1.25mbit? |
| 05:04.22 | sevenop | br |
| 05:04.24 | sevenop | brb |
| 05:04.25 | kdas | dutchfish: well i never touched MTU in my life so you wanna walk me through ? |
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| 05:04.55 | kdas | sevenop: oh i see you saying do a scp from my embeded device to itself ? |
| 05:05.30 | Rapsodius | kdas: ahh... this is life, slim works like a top |
| 05:05.48 | kdas | Rapsodius: ;) |
| 05:05.54 | Rapsodius | kdas: same background than gdm, loading in a fraction of the time |
| 05:06.41 | kdas | Rapsodius: yea its nice |
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| 05:07.25 | dutchfish | kdas: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492 ? |
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| 05:08.07 | Rapsodius | and what this teaches me is: never blame your x server <grin< |
| 05:08.11 | Rapsodius | and what this teaches me is: never blame your x server <grin> |
| 05:08.23 | kdas | dutchfish: the mtu is set to 1500 right now |
| 05:08.31 | dutchfish | nods |
| 05:08.35 | freaky[t] | what security tools should i install on debian lenny? (server) i have installed chkrootkit and rkhunter and portsentry |
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| 05:09.50 | kdas | dutchfish: set mtu to 1492 result = Â 1441 kilobytes = 11.2578125 megabit |
| 05:10.08 | dutchfish | kdas: set on both ends? |
| 05:10.08 | kdas | dutchfish: set it lower? |
| 05:10.28 | kdas | dutchfish: i am downloading from web ? should i download from LAN ? |
| 05:10.42 | Rapsodius | kdas: how to install more themes into slim? |
| 05:10.42 | kdas | dutchfish: i rather downloadfrom web using curl to test |
| 05:10.53 | kdas | Rapsodius: google.com |
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| 05:11.14 | qiyong | how can I get foo/bar from /path/foo/bar/ ? |
| 05:11.28 | dutchfish | kdas: web can be another factor you can't ocunt on, so preferrably lan to test |
| 05:11.34 | Rapsodius | kdas: hey! thats not a package name ;) |
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| 05:11.54 | kdas | dutchfish: what other factors? i pulled down lan server :( |
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| 05:12.07 | kdas | dutchfish: i know for a fact i get 30mbps |
| 05:12.15 | dutchfish | kdas: ok |
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| 05:13.06 | kdas | dutchfish: so should i set MTU lower? |
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| 05:13.34 | dutchfish | kdas: if this doesnt bring relief, you can lower it further, but i doubt that it then suddenly will give a better speed |
| 05:14.34 | kdas | dutchfish: so no other ideas? |
| 05:14.40 | kdas | sevenop: you also ? |
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| 05:16.05 | dutchfish | kdas: mmm... |
| 05:16.19 | ircrob | still have to manually config wireless GSM modem, is anyone working on that? |
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| 05:16.45 | dutchfish | kdas: is ethtool on that box? |
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| 05:17.29 | kdas | dutchfish: now it is :) |
| 05:18.06 | dutchfish | kdas: can you pastebin ethtool eth0 ? |
| 05:18.19 | kdas | Settings for eth0: |
| 05:18.19 | kdas | No data available |
| 05:18.32 | kdas | dutchfish: guess it don't work with openwrt |
| 05:19.31 | kdas | dutchfish: lapy http://pastebin.com/89v64CGx |
| 05:20.09 | dutchfish | kdas, mmm... i am beginning to believe that there is somethig seriously wrong on that box, be it hardware or the module repsonsable for your card |
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| 05:20.17 | kdas | dutchfish: well the wierd thing is that it is happening to 2 different embeded devices |
| 05:20.17 | freaky[t] | do I need the portmap service on my server? oO |
| 05:20.28 | Janos | hey there, trying to rebuild the asterisk package with some custom modifications in chan_sip.c, but seems like this file already has some debian patches on his own and when i try to run dpkg-buildpackage with my modified chan_sip.c it gives an error stating that it can't patch it, is there a standard way of adding patches to packages inde debian or is this at the maintainer discretion ? |
| 05:20.44 | kdas | dutchfish: i think sevenop was on to somehting about that other box only having 100mbit for the board but 10 when it hits the wire |
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| 05:21.10 | dutchfish | kdas: looks like autoneg isnt working at all |
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| 05:21.55 | kdas | dutchfish: well i have nothing plugged into it right now :P |
| 05:22.06 | dutchfish | hehe |
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| 05:22.21 | dutchfish | kdas: rince and repeat with something connected |
| 05:23.37 | kdas | dutchfish: i my other box is down and the fonera i only have ssh access via wifi for now cuz other plp using it but i am going to guess that the nics are f'ed up |
| 05:23.49 | kdas | dutchfish: unless u have any other tweaks/ideas |
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| 05:24.31 | dutchfish | kdas: well, its just carefully excluding all other options, starting with the software |
| 05:25.22 | kdas | dutchfish: well i am going to try to install openwrt to the soekris box and see if that helps |
| 05:25.32 | dutchfish | kdas: use tools like ethtool, ip and ifconfig and iperf |
| 05:25.32 | kdas | dutchfish: ok i will |
| 05:25.40 | kdas | dutchfish: thanks for all your help though |
| 05:25.46 | kdas | sevenop: and you too if you get this :P |
| 05:25.49 | dutchfish | kdas: yw, and good luck |
| 05:27.56 | kdas | thnx |
| 05:28.03 | kdas | prolly just going to buy new router |
| 05:28.24 | kdas | been 3 days already and still playing wiht this if i would have worked i could have bought new computer :P |
| 05:28.52 | dutchfish | kdas: so far beyond the point to give up, ehe ;) |
| 05:29.17 | kdas | lol |
| 05:29.43 | kdas | ok thanks again peace |
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| 05:32.47 | freaky[t] | is it possible to make logcheck send mail to more than one ppl? |
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| 05:35.23 | hachque | does anyone know how to get dpkg working on a non-debian system? |
| 05:35.53 | Janos | freaky[t]: if you are using the local mail server to send this mails, i think it would be easier to just adjust you /etc/aliases file accordingly, example if logcheck sends mail to address1, you could create a new line in aliases, address1: address1, address2 |
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| 05:36.48 | hachque | i can't seem to find the Dpkg perl module to get dpkg working.. anyone know where i can get it? |
| 05:38.08 | freaky[t] | Janos thanks i just figured that out too ;D |
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| 05:38.30 | dutchfish | hachque: libdebian-dpkgcross-perl ? |
| 05:38.51 | hachque | hang on |
| 05:38.51 | hachque | they are in the dpkg source code |
| 05:38.51 | hachque | *source code archive |
| 05:38.54 | hachque | i'm just not sure why they aren't installed into perl |
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| 05:39.15 | Janos | freaky[t]: remember to run newaliases |
| 05:39.54 | freaky[t] | Janos that's what i just wanted to ask - how to rebuild that database again ;D |
| 05:39.59 | freaky[t] | thank you ;D |
| 05:41.05 | dutchfish | hachque: dpkg-dev is what you need? |
| 05:41.22 | hachque | dutchfish: no i've compiled dpkg from source and i just got the perl module installed |
| 05:41.29 | hachque | except nano will still not install via dpkg |
| 05:41.43 | hachque | it complains about pre-installation and post-removal scripts 'No such file or directory' |
| 05:42.06 | hachque | i've used ar to extract the debian package through and there is the preinst and postrm (as well as postinst and prerm) scripts in the control.tar.gz file |
| 05:43.14 | dutchfish | hachque: probably because its an *essential* wich needs some of its compagnions which are normally configured on install |
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| 05:46.02 | hachque | http://pastebin.com/eCHN0MzA |
| 05:46.10 | dutchfish | hachque: is apt in place? |
| 05:46.17 | hachque | that's what it says (i wrote that up because it's actually running in a VM which i can't copy from) |
| 05:46.19 | hachque | no |
| 05:46.22 | hachque | apt is not installed |
| 05:46.47 | hachque | as far as i knew, apt was not a requirement of dpkg |
| 05:46.58 | dutchfish | hola, are you running a 64bit kernel? |
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| 05:47.07 | hachque | no |
| 05:47.13 | hachque | i386 |
| 05:47.34 | hachque | (don't ask why dpkg hasn't detected the architecture because i dont know...) |
| 05:48.58 | dutchfish | thats prolly because of coreutils |
| 05:49.11 | hachque | ? |
| 05:49.24 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/sid/dpkg |
| 05:49.38 | dutchfish | look art the deps |
| 05:49.44 | dutchfish | s/art/at |
| 05:50.19 | hachque | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/dpkg |
| 05:50.27 | hachque | that's the one i've got |
| 05:51.05 | dutchfish | does dpkg -l list anyhting? (ie is dpkg db intact)? |
| 05:51.22 | hachque | yeah it lists nano (iHR) |
| 05:51.23 | hachque | no other packages |
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| 05:52.58 | dutchfish | hachque: you might want to have a peak how debootstrap does it, and how it build a bare bone out of zilch that would epxlain a lot |
| 05:53.03 | whiter | im 20 |
| 05:53.56 | dutchfish | hachque: you need at least the essential ones and the glue to build in initial dpkg db and configuration of the system |
| 05:54.21 | hachque | essential ones? which packages are the essential ones ;P |
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| 05:54.47 | dutchfish | hachque: this is normally done through .udebs too by debootstrap |
| 05:55.20 | hachque | dutchfish: do you mean like glibc and the linux headers and all that? |
| 05:55.23 | hachque | those are already installed |
| 05:55.27 | hachque | just not via dpkg |
| 05:55.36 | dutchfish | i never look at it but i gues tasksel can tell you whats in the base |
| 05:55.54 | hachque | nor does it explain why it fails when trying to install nano |
| 05:56.23 | dutchfish | hachque: sure, but how does dpkg *know* that? |
| 05:56.54 | hachque | it doesn't.. it shouldnt care either |
| 05:57.03 | hachque | i've applied the --force=all option |
| 05:57.09 | hachque | so it shouldn't care about dependencies |
| 05:57.24 | dutchfish | i am not sure about that, but maybe #debiab-devel cna shed a light on this? |
| 05:57.30 | hachque | and nano only depends on libc6 (got it) and libncursesw5 (got it) |
| 05:57.30 | hachque | okay |
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| 05:57.42 | dutchfish | #debian-devel i meant |
| 05:57.43 | hachque | eh.. i need an invitation to join that channel ;P |
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| 05:58.07 | dutchfish | at oftc |
| 05:58.11 | hachque | ah okay |
| 05:58.19 | dutchfish | good luck |
| 05:58.53 | dutchfish | hey wait i have another idee |
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| 05:59.18 | dutchfish | why not debootstrap a debian system and take a closer look? |
| 05:59.32 | dutchfish | you could chroot into it for testing |
| 06:00.02 | wols_ | hachque: does /var/lib/dpkg/info/ exist? |
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| 06:01.00 | hachque | wols_: /System/Utilities/Applications/DPKG/1.15.4/var/dpkg/info does exist (/var/dpkg is symlinked to /System/Utilities/Applications/DPKG/1.15.4/var/dpkg) |
| 06:01.48 | wols_ | that's not what I asked. debconf files are supposed to be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ from which debconfig executes them |
| 06:02.04 | wols_ | so if dpkg complains about missing conf scripts, it's the first thing to look at |
| 06:02.10 | hachque | debconfig? i have no debconfig |
| 06:02.37 | wols_ | oops. debconf I meant |
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| 06:02.46 | hachque | no debconf either |
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| 06:02.58 | wols_ | then it will be kinda hard to install stuff via dpkg |
| 06:03.36 | hachque | oh okay.. (why does dpkg not have a depends on debconf then?) |
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| 06:06.14 | dutchfish | hachque: because it works otherwise around |
| 06:06.20 | wols_ | seems you don't really need debconf, at least not always. the pre-inst script for nano for example only sets /etc/alternatives and fudges old versions of the manpages |
| 06:06.26 | dutchfish | debconf pulls perl-base -> dpkg |
| 06:07.16 | hachque | wols_: well yeah, i created temporary scripts to fill in install-docs and all that |
| 06:07.24 | hachque | so i dont know where the No such file or directory is coming from |
| 06:07.30 | hachque | i'll compile and install debconf though |
| 06:07.48 | wols_ | strace your dpkg and you should know |
| 06:08.21 | wols_ | the preinst script is part of the nano .deb package |
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| 06:09.46 | iateadonut | how do you get to the postfix configuration screen? |
| 06:10.47 | jhamlin_ | Hey in irssi in an xterm in fluxbox but pressing alt+3 doesn't take me to channel 3 but instead prints a little superscript "3". How can I fix this? |
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| 06:15.57 | hachque | it appears that it chroots into the --instdir directory and then attempts to run the preinst script .. which is now outside the chroot |
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| 06:36.46 | Bretzky | I need a socks5 compatible proxy for debian |
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| 06:40.07 | joltcan | Bretzky: aptitude search socks ? |
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| 06:42.48 | Bretzky | oh, thanks joltcan, I'm a bit new |
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| 06:50.02 | bkjoe | 04/01/10US TREASURY 620 CIVIL SERV 040110 1942.00 |
| 06:50.11 | bkjoe | er..hell |
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| 07:00.50 | iateadonut | if you're running a server serving several websites and email boxes, what should the hostname be? |
| 07:00.59 | iateadonut | just pick one of the website domain names? |
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| 07:07.24 | joltcan | iateadonut: or something different :) |
| 07:08.01 | joltcan | iateadonut: the risk is that if you have lots of domains some of them might move, and then you have a machine named after a domain that is no longer there |
| 07:08.49 | iateadonut | the question came up because amavis gave me a hostname error, said i need a fully qualified hostname. |
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| 07:12.44 | iateadonut | anyway, i changed the hostname to one of the domain names and amavis daemon started without problems. |
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| 07:23.05 | nsadmin | iateadonut anything you would name the server, would require the name exist in the dns database |
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| 07:23.27 | nsadmin | as you just found out, using one of your client's names worked. |
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| 07:23.52 | nsadmin | however your client |
| 07:23.55 | nsadmin | err, |
| 07:24.30 | nsadmin | however your client's domain name and its database are not under your control, they're under the control of your client, who can change it anytime they want |
| 07:24.32 | nsadmin | so |
| 07:25.03 | nsadmin | if you get your own domain name, then you have a domain you control |
| 07:26.47 | nsadmin | (this is brought to you because it didn't look from your responses like you had any new understanding from what joltcan said) |
| 07:27.44 | iateadonut | all the websites are my own. |
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| 07:29.06 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 07:29.49 | cousin_mario | what is the regular tool to use on lenny in order to avoid daemons to start up? |
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| 07:34.40 | nsadmin | cousin_mario: you don't ever want any daemons to start up on that debian? |
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| 07:35.55 | cousin_mario | nsadmin: a specific one |
| 07:36.09 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 07:36.15 | nsadmin | iateadonut, oh ok, so then you do own the domain names, and in particular the one you start the web server with |
| 07:36.30 | cousin_mario | I'd rather not delve into /etc/rc?.d and rcconf made a mess last time |
| 07:36.40 | nsadmin | cousin_mario: you don't ever want a particular daemon to start up on that debian? |
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| 07:37.42 | iateadonut | right. |
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| 07:37.59 | nsadmin | good enuf... yer all set :) |
| 07:38.07 | iateadonut | i'm not exactly adminstrate others website material if i have to ask a question like hostname |
| 07:38.14 | iateadonut | or use a word like "adminstrate" |
| 07:38.32 | cousin_mario | nsadmin: exactly |
| 07:38.44 | cousin_mario | only when invoked manually |
| 07:39.16 | nsadmin | in that case you will need to manipulate the /etc/rcX.d contents |
| 07:40.41 | nsadmin | there are several tools to manipulate that, one is update-rc.d |
| 07:40.49 | jhamlin_ | xrandr -q doesn't show my correct resolution an an option. Here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/67619/ |
| 07:41.01 | jhamlin_ | as an option |
| 07:41.29 | jhamlin_ | Somehow I always have trouble with this... |
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| 07:41.34 | shifty | any ideas how to convince hunspell to use a personal dictionary for looking up words? |
| 07:42.14 | nsadmin | never heard of hunspell. does it hve documentation? |
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| 07:42.35 | shifty | nsadmin: yep - it's the ispell replacement backend used by OO.org |
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| 07:43.03 | shifty | i got sick of ispell, and wanted to share my personal wordlists between oowriter and emacs |
| 07:43.27 | nsadmin | yep, it does have documentation? it doesn't say how? |
| 07:43.31 | shifty | nsadmin: and as for documentation... it's not great. |
| 07:44.22 | shifty | nsadmin: it SAYS how, but for some reason it doesn't seem to use the personal dictionary to spell against, but I am able to save new words to it |
| 07:45.03 | nsadmin | maybe a different place in the docs say how to get a dict to be used |
| 07:45.20 | shifty | nsadmin: i wish, but i have not been able to locate |
| 07:45.22 | rgr | maybe .. |
| 07:45.52 | nsadmin | maybe how to use a dict and how to be the dict words are added to are two different things? |
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| 07:47.51 | Sale023 | hey hoy |
| 07:48.08 | nsadmin | holly hunter? |
| 07:48.09 | shifty | nsadmin: maybe - very wise comment. i'm a bit stuck now, I tried getting it to use my personal dict as a language dict (like English, for example), but it wasn't keen on it. Doesn't seem right, however. surely my personal dictionary should be used in tandem with the main language??? |
| 07:48.09 | Sale023 | I have debian but have some problems with gcc... how to update it? cause i missing some modules for sure.. my cs not work.. |
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| 07:48.20 | simonrvn | hmm, sounds like it'd be useful with l'nuniskw |
| 07:48.33 | simonrvn | ...and other languages of the sort |
| 07:48.37 | nsadmin | cs? |
| 07:48.45 | simonrvn | hunspell |
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| 07:49.25 | simonrvn | 'complex word compounding' and others |
| 07:49.34 | shifty | simonrvn: hunspell developed for hungarian - for some special weirdness of the lang that I humble english speaker don't grok |
| 07:49.38 | nsadmin | Sale023, what are you trying to do with gcc? when you type gcc by itself, what does it say |
| 07:49.53 | simonrvn | shifty: yes, i'm aware. |
| 07:49.53 | shifty | check wikipedia. maybe you'll understand what it's saying ;-) |
| 07:50.03 | nsadmin | Sale023, have you installed build-essential? |
| 07:50.07 | simonrvn | um, don't assume i don't. |
| 07:50.33 | Sale023 | no |
| 07:50.44 | nsadmin | Sale023, what are you trying to do with gcc? when you type gcc by itself, what does it say |
| 07:51.03 | shifty | never fear guys, one of these days I'll work it out and it will be oh-so-simple |
| 07:51.03 | Sale023 | corrupted for cs this is for sure |
| 07:51.13 | nsadmin | it says that? |
| 07:51.35 | simonrvn | i doubt it |
| 07:51.52 | simonrvn | probably says "cannot build executables" |
| 07:51.58 | shifty | simonrvn: what is l'nuniskw - is this a language? (just curious) |
| 07:52.11 | simonrvn | shifty: yes it is. |
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| 07:52.34 | shifty | simonrvn: and in English... what's it called? |
| 07:52.41 | Sale023 | Error:/usr/hlds/engine_i686.so: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual |
| 07:52.41 | Sale023 | Unable to load engine, image is corrupt. |
| 07:52.43 | nsadmin | Sale023, so I'm trying to get what is the problem, and right now I can't really tell what you mean to say the problem is |
| 07:52.59 | simonrvn | shifty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi'kmaq |
| 07:53.12 | nsadmin | Sale023, ok, when you do exactly what? |
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| 07:53.29 | Sale023 | gcc |
| 07:53.30 | Sale023 | gcc: no input files |
| 07:53.34 | nsadmin | good |
| 07:53.36 | Sale023 | when do ./hlds_run -game cstrike +ip ip.de.internet +sv_lan 1 -nomaster +maxplayers 18 +map de_dust2 |
| 07:54.20 | nsadmin | ok, so it's when you try to run the game |
| 07:54.28 | Sale023 | yes |
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| 07:55.03 | nsadmin | probably the corruption it speaks of is not having the pure_virtual symbol |
| 07:55.10 | Sale023 | so what to do |
| 07:55.10 | Sale023 | ? |
| 07:55.16 | Sale023 | install pure_virtual ? |
| 07:55.54 | nsadmin | it seems like this game is in c++? |
| 07:55.59 | Sale023 | probably |
| 07:56.03 | Sale023 | it's counter strike |
| 07:56.05 | nsadmin | no, it's not that simple |
| 07:56.20 | Sale023 | heh so nothing from install pure_virtual xD |
| 07:56.29 | Sale023 | i got server only for that game |
| 07:56.32 | Sale023 | and not work :D |
| 07:56.43 | Sale023 | and i am very very sure that game is not corrupted.. |
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| 07:57.37 | Sale023 | What to do? |
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| 07:57.56 | nsadmin | it probably -thinks- /usr/hlds/engine* is corrupted because it expects to find a particular symbol which is not present |
| 07:58.07 | nsadmin | the thing is compilers change |
| 07:58.25 | Sale023 | i don't have engine in that dir |
| 07:58.56 | nsadmin | perhaps the symbol is a detail built by old versions of gcc |
| 07:59.17 | nsadmin | and a sanity check to see if that symbol exists is nonportable |
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| 08:00.04 | Sale023 | hmm |
| 08:00.10 | Sale023 | how to do that? or how to update gcc? |
| 08:01.26 | shifty | simonrvn: thanks, wasn't trying to cause offence - wasn't trying to make assumptions. |
| 08:01.28 | nsadmin | there's no way for me to tell without spending a lot of time studying the source |
| 08:02.08 | wols_ | Sale023: ran ldd on your daemon? |
| 08:02.31 | wols_ | or the shared object that is throwing the error |
| 08:02.36 | vsmatck | It's probably the wrong library version. If there is a symbol that's not defined in the shared library. |
| 08:02.46 | wols_ | yes, most likely libstdc++ |
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| 08:03.03 | Sale023 | i am not run nothing |
| 08:03.06 | vsmatck | Didn't it say specifically that it was looking for it in engine_i686.so? |
| 08:03.12 | simonrvn | shifty: eh, forget it |
| 08:03.19 | Sale023 | so install libstdc++ |
| 08:03.19 | Sale023 | ? |
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| 08:03.42 | simonrvn | there's several versions of libstdc++ |
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| 08:04.29 | simonrvn | shifty: just lemme know if/when you get that going ;) |
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| 08:04.50 | Sale023 | let me know what to type ? :D |
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| 08:05.48 | Sale023 | ? |
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| 08:08.08 | Sale023 | wols_ ? |
| 08:09.47 | ethanol | hey guys, I got a 10 year old ibm server here. what would be the easiest way to test if debian lenny will install without much of a hassle without actually installing it right away? |
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| 08:11.19 | vsmatck | ethanol: I'd try running a live cd on it. If it runs it's highly likely it will install and run. |
| 08:11.22 | the-dude | ethanol: use a live cd |
| 08:11.36 | Sale023 | help for me ?> :S |
| 08:11.53 | SPF | ethanol: use an old hard disk |
| 08:11.56 | Sale023 | install libstdc++ |
| 08:11.56 | Sale023 | install: missing destination file operand after `libstdc++' |
| 08:12.32 | ethanol | downloads live cd |
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| 08:13.01 | azeem_ | Sale023: what exactly are you doing? |
| 08:14.07 | ethanol | standard live cd is without gui I presume? |
| 08:14.10 | ethanol | (which is fine for me) |
| 08:14.16 | wols_ | ethanol: run the installer. if it starts, debian will run on it |
| 08:14.48 | ethanol | meh it's ok, live cd is only 133mb. already got it :> |
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| 08:15.23 | wols_ | ethanol: where do you get said "live cd"? |
| 08:15.32 | Sale023 | azeem_ well dunno |
| 08:15.32 | ethanol | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:15.45 | ethanol | wols_: there |
| 08:15.48 | Sale023 | just following instructions of guys here |
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| 08:16.08 | azeem_ | Sale023: ok, so what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 08:17.08 | shifty | he wants the game to run, but he's got stuck in dependency hell |
| 08:17.12 | azeem_ | Sale023: so you run the command "install libstdc++" and expect it to install libstdc++? |
| 08:17.27 | azeem_ | Sale023: that's not how it works, read up the documentation on apt-get or aptitude |
| 08:18.30 | Sale023 | i am but |
| 08:18.33 | Sale023 | dunno what type |
| 08:18.36 | Sale023 | which lib to instrall |
| 08:18.36 | Sale023 | :S |
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| 08:19.15 | azeem_ | Sale023: first off, learn how to install things in the first place |
| 08:19.24 | azeem_ | then, figure out which package exactly you need to install |
| 08:19.45 | Sale023 | i need package |
| 08:19.48 | Sale023 | name only |
| 08:20.00 | Sale023 | i know how to install.. just what? |
| 08:20.09 | shifty | simonrvn: hunspell is already working perfectly for me already, except for the personal dictionary issue - which i suspect is more of an issue with my understanding.... |
| 08:21.00 | shifty | simonrvn: so happy to let you know anything you want |
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| 08:25.16 | vlt | Hello. How can I see the year a login or logout happened in the output of `last`? |
| 08:26.07 | shifty | OK. Found the issue (no solution a.t.m). There seems to be a race condition between OO.org and hunspell command line if you share a personal dict. Bother. From what I read they should be able to share. |
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| 08:28.07 | nsadmin | Sale023: if you only need the package name, then you would search packages.debian.org |
| 08:28.22 | ethanol | what the crap |
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| 08:30.24 | iceroot | shifty: apt-cache search searchstring will give you the package name |
| 08:30.25 | ethanol | how does one become root on the live image? (from live.debian.net) |
| 08:30.31 | iceroot | Sale023: apt-cache search searchstring will give you the package name |
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| 08:30.38 | iceroot | shifty: sorry wrong nick |
| 08:31.25 | ethanol | nevermind |
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| 08:32.01 | vlt | Ok, I see. It says "Thu Feb 7", so it can only mean 2008, 2002 or 1991 ... fine. |
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| 08:34.22 | nsadmin | usually not mentioning the year means the current year |
| 08:34.29 | Kiiiw | Start making you money right now just read this! http://kiiiw-make-money.blogspot.com/ |
| 08:34.46 | ethanol | who needs money when you have internet? |
| 08:34.51 | rvsjoen | oh cool |
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| 08:35.07 | nsadmin | !ops Kiiiw (~Kiiiwmake@h-231-33.A151.priv.bahnhof.se) spam |
| 08:35.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Kiiiw (~Kiiiwmake@h-231-33.A151.priv.bahnhof.se) spam |
| 08:35.11 | rvsjoen | how can you get internet without money |
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| 08:35.36 | nsadmin | coffee shop? |
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| 08:39.06 | vlt | nsadmin: "Thu Feb 7" can't be the current year |
| 08:39.24 | nsadmin | oh, I see what you mean |
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| 08:39.54 | vlt | nsadmin: Is there a hidden --show-year option in "last" or a better tool to analyze wtmp files? |
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| 08:40.41 | nsadmin | as for hidden options, check the source (and if you find it, add it to the man page) |
| 08:41.30 | nsadmin | if wtmp has the year in it, then a tool could be built to get it |
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| 08:48.47 | ethanol | noob question, what is the difference between 486 and 686? :< |
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| 08:49.43 | ethanol | lenny installer gives me 4 options, 2.6-468/2.6-686 and the same, but with 2.6.26-2-X |
| 08:50.10 | stuckey | http://jhstuckey.com/tmp.txt <-- I get this output in dmesg when I'm using a usb removable device. |
| 08:50.23 | stuckey | I can't copy files to/from the device. Trying to umount it fails with umount freezing. |
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| 08:50.39 | RichiH | ethanol: different cpu capabilities are used |
| 08:50.54 | ethanol | intel xeon is 686? |
| 08:51.04 | ethanol | and why the 2 different kernels then? |
| 08:51.08 | RichiH | i think xeon is x64 |
| 08:51.14 | Arrowmaster | xeon is a lot of things |
| 08:51.18 | RichiH | not sure, thogh |
| 08:51.18 | shifty | vlt: utmp(5) has the relevant struct outlined. I guess this does contain years, but you'll have to parse /var/log/wtmp manually or find a better tool than last. |
| 08:51.20 | RichiH | though |
| 08:51.25 | TheAvatar | Uhm in a shell script - I have a datefield e.g. 20100406 and then I have e.g. 10 dates. Can I easilly compare my datefield against all 10 dates? E.g. some kind of if [ $datefield != 10-dates ] ... ? |
| 08:51.27 | ethanol | you sure? this thing is 10 years old |
| 08:51.36 | vlt | shifty: Thank you. |
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| 08:51.49 | Arrowmaster | 10 years old xeon would be 686 |
| 08:51.51 | ethanol | TheAvatar: try #bash |
| 08:51.55 | TheAvatar | okay, thanks |
| 08:51.57 | shifty | vlt: hey, it's only a pointer - might be another dead end :-) |
| 08:52.08 | stuckey | I can mount the device but then df tells me that it is 32x bigger than it really is. |
| 08:52.18 | Sale023 | WHat is bettre OpneVZ or xen? |
| 08:52.18 | ethanol | RichiH: why does the installer offer a 2.6 and a 2.6.26-2 kernel though? any difference? |
| 08:52.24 | Sale023 | OPenVZ or xen? |
| 08:52.24 | OpenTokix | Apples! |
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| 08:52.49 | jelly | oranges, dude. |
| 08:52.55 | RichiH | ethanol: 2.6 is a virtual package that usually points to the most current kernel |
| 08:52.58 | RichiH | so.. |
| 08:53.06 | ethanol | ah thanks |
| 08:53.31 | stuckey | Cfdisk /dev/sdc1 tells me "Bad Partition! Partition begins after end of disk!" |
| 08:53.38 | stuckey | meh... |
| 08:54.11 | shifty | vlt: ok, Perl Cookbook to the rescue: http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/perl/cookbook/ch08_19.htm |
| 08:54.28 | shifty | vlt: HOWEVER, it gives bogus results on my system |
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| 08:55.01 | shifty | vlt: the $typedef pack string is probably system-dependant. over to you now... |
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| 08:55.49 | vlt | shifty: Ok, I'll try ... thanks |
| 08:56.01 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can anyone tell me whether lenny has built-in support for specifying tagged vlans in /etc/network/interfaces? The Googling i've done seems to just point to manual vconfig commands. |
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| 08:57.48 | rvsjoen | blahdeblah: not as far as I know, post-up hooks in interfaces, combined with vconfig from the vlan package would work |
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| 08:58.57 | blahdeblah | rvsjoen: I found this which seems to hint at it, but i can't find anything in the doco supporting it: http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/15 |
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| 09:00.45 | rvsjoen | interesting |
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| 09:01.12 | blahdeblah | Hmmm. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7268/print seems to indicate that support has been there since sarge |
| 09:01.46 | blahdeblah | However, there's no mention of it in the ifup or interfaces man pages, nor in the doc dir for the vlan or ifupdown packages |
| 09:02.33 | rvsjoen | seems you are right |
| 09:02.35 | blahdeblah | scratches his head quizzically |
| 09:02.36 | rvsjoen | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtousevlan.28dot1q.2C802.1q.2Ctrunk.29.28Etch.2CLenny.29 |
| 09:02.38 | stuckey | Do I need to run mke2fs after I do cfdisk? If cfdisk created a new partition with a fat16 file system? |
| 09:03.09 | rvsjoen | stuckey: cfdisk does not create the file system, only the partition |
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| 09:03.14 | rvsjoen | stuckey: so yes |
| 09:03.31 | stuckey | rvsjoen: ah okay... but why did it ask me like... fat16/fat32 etc. |
| 09:03.39 | stuckey | rvsjoen: I specified 'type' |
| 09:03.45 | stuckey | rvsjoen: Which type do I need for a portable mp3 player? |
| 09:03.49 | rvsjoen | just to mark the partition with the file system type, it doesn't do anything beyond that |
| 09:03.49 | blahdeblah | rvsjoen: Looks like it should work - i'll test it out. Pity there isn't better doco... |
| 09:04.21 | rvsjoen | stuckey: my guess would be fat32, mkfs.vfat |
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| 09:07.11 | stuckey | the umoutn command just hangs |
| 09:07.17 | stuckey | and when I do ls /media/disk, there's nothing there |
| 09:07.39 | stuckey | and the disk is back to being 32GB |
| 09:07.50 | rvsjoen | blahdeblah: let me know if it works :) |
| 09:07.54 | stuckey | It actually showed correctly at 1gb after I ran mkfs.vfat |
| 09:08.11 | rvsjoen | and what did you do afterwards |
| 09:08.13 | blahdeblah | rvsjoen: will do - there's definitely code supporting it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/vlan |
| 09:08.14 | stuckey | 4 0 719 697 20 0 9324 692 - D+ pts/0 0:00 umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 09:08.34 | stuckey | rvsjoen: I did cp * -r /tmp /media/disk |
| 09:08.49 | stuckey | rvsjoen: took less than a second, so then I exited that terminal, became root in another, and did umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 09:08.51 | wols_ | stuckey: you created a partition and ran mkfs.vfat on it? |
| 09:08.56 | stuckey | wols_: yes |
| 09:09.08 | wols_ | does the mp3 player still work? does it play music? |
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| 09:09.17 | stuckey | wols_: eh thereisn't anything on it |
| 09:09.26 | wols_ | that's not what I asked |
| 09:09.33 | stuckey | wols_: how would I know if it works? |
| 09:09.38 | stuckey | How should I test it? |
| 09:10.27 | stuckey | yes it does work |
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| 09:10.59 | wols_ | you put music on it and try to play it |
| 09:11.09 | stuckey | wols_: yes it has the music I was trying to put on it, on it. |
| 09:11.18 | stuckey | I don't know if it has all of it or not... but it won't show up in media/disk when I mount it |
| 09:11.40 | rvsjoen | how do you mount it |
| 09:11.48 | stuckey | mount /dev/sdc1 /media/disk |
| 09:12.03 | stuckey | yeah it just has part of the stuff on it... like half |
| 09:12.08 | stuckey | i'll try copying again |
| 09:13.16 | stuckey | Copied, and now I run umount and it doesn't return the terminal. Is it possible that this should take a really *LONG* time? |
| 09:13.18 | wols_ | you have a sync problem. read your dmesg output more carefully. especially the call traces at theend |
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| 09:13.28 | stuckey | I'm only copying 500mb |
| 09:13.31 | wols_ | yes it is possible |
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| 09:13.59 | tensorpudding | It appears that some of my fonts aren't getting antialiased for some strange reason. |
| 09:14.03 | rvsjoen | you could try and mount it with -o sync |
| 09:14.07 | mischief | hey is anyone familiar with makejail? how can i jail apache and php5? o.O |
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| 09:14.31 | rvsjoen | see if the copy takes more time |
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| 09:14.48 | stuckey | rvsjoen: should I want on it to umount first? |
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| 09:15.13 | tensorpudding | How can you debug Xft's settings to figure out why some fonts look awful? |
| 09:15.15 | rvsjoen | if you want to, -o remount,sync would work as well |
| 09:15.18 | wols_ | mischief: /usr/share/doc/makejail/ |
| 09:15.35 | stuckey | rvsjoen: I can do that right now, while the umount is still running/hung |
| 09:15.55 | rvsjoen | best to wait |
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| 09:16.25 | stuckey | rvsjoen: how can I check to see if it is actually doing something? |
| 09:16.42 | stuckey | ls /media/disk gives nothing |
| 09:16.59 | rvsjoen | if it's still in state 'D', just be patient |
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| 09:17.09 | stuckey | df /media/disk/ -h says it is 32GB... |
| 09:17.22 | stuckey | D+ it says |
| 09:17.37 | rvsjoen | D means uninterruptible sleep, usually it means 'waiting for IO' |
| 09:19.03 | stuckey | rvsjoen: i'm getting lots of that output again in dmesg |
| 09:19.32 | rvsjoen | what output |
| 09:19.40 | stuckey | [501840.368085] [<ffffffff811067bf>] ? bdi_sched_wait+0x0/0xe |
| 09:19.43 | stuckey | stuff like that |
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| 09:20.27 | rvsjoen | stack traces ? |
| 09:20.27 | stuckey | I have no idea what it is |
| 09:20.27 | rvsjoen | can you pastebin a bunch of it ? |
| 09:20.27 | rvsjoen | which kernel are you running |
| 09:20.37 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/67623/ |
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| 09:20.50 | stuckey | Linux debian 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 18:07:42 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:21.43 | rvsjoen | it looks like the hung_task handler is just dumping the call stack |
| 09:21.56 | rvsjoen | the real question is if the sync ever completes |
| 09:22.21 | wols_ | rvsjoen: no it's not, the kernel ends it prematurely I'd say. hence the error message there |
| 09:22.47 | stuckey | What do I do to get this thing working? |
| 09:22.57 | rvsjoen | it's just an info message as I read it, doesn't appear to take any action on it |
| 09:23.01 | stuckey | I've already spent a half hour screwing with this piece of junk |
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| 09:23.57 | stuckey | it came back |
| 09:24.01 | stuckey | looks like it works now |
| 09:24.02 | Ragnar | loled hard http://cli.gs/5hNRye |
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| 09:27.05 | rvsjoen | stuckey: how is your memory usage ? |
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| 09:34.05 | shifty | vlt: hope you're still watching - got it. you're in luck |
| 09:34.38 | shifty | vlt: sudo aptitude install libsys-utmp-perl |
| 09:35.17 | shifty | vlt: then find the example, copy it to /tmp, and replace the strftime line with: strftime("%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Y", localtime($utent->ut_time())),"\n"; |
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| 09:35.35 | shifty | vlt: and yes, apparently you can get the year. |
| 09:36.17 | shifty | vlt: btw, example in /usr/share/doc/libsys-utmp-perl/examples/pwho |
| 09:38.55 | vlt | shifty: Wow, thank you! |
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| 09:52.03 | osfd | Hi there, I'm running a good old stable and would like to know if that would be risky to upgrade my texlive 2007 to a texlive 2009 from testing |
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| 10:02.24 | Backup | How can i get the headers for 2.6.32-trunk-686? |
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| 10:03.11 | razvand | apt-cache search linux-headers and download proper package? |
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| 10:04.03 | Backup | i cant see the trunk-686 package |
| 10:04.52 | Backup | linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-3-686 is the closet i get |
| 10:05.30 | razvand | Backup, are you running squeeze? |
| 10:05.41 | Backup | yes |
| 10:05.51 | razvand | there has been a kernel update some days ago |
| 10:05.55 | cristi8 | Backup: Linux 2.6.32-3-696 is not a closet :-/ |
| 10:06.07 | razvand | the current kernel versions are 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 |
| 10:06.15 | razvand | why would you require trunk headers? |
| 10:06.38 | Backup | coz thats the kernel i got? |
| 10:06.59 | razvand | apt-get dist-upgrade then :-) |
| 10:07.15 | razvand | and use the current kernel in the repository (2.6.32-3-686) |
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| 10:08.43 | azeth | anyone knows when kde 4.4.x would be on top of debian sid / experimental? |
| 10:09.00 | Backup | razvand: just did, and im still using trunk |
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| 10:10.44 | razvand | Backup, did it install the new kernel? ls /boot/ |
| 10:12.34 | osfd | ok, I don't know how to do it exactly, shall someone give me some hints ? |
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| 10:13.27 | Backup | razvand: sorted. thanks |
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| 10:14.36 | razvand | osfd, you mean upgrading texlive? |
| 10:15.21 | osfd | razvand: yes, I have a 2007, I would like to go to 2009, I think the easiest way would be a purge of 2007 and install from testing a 2009 |
| 10:15.44 | dhe-` | test |
| 10:16.04 | osfd | dhe-`: the test is positive |
| 10:16.19 | wols_ | ,versions texlive |
| 10:16.20 | judd | texlive -- etch: 2005.dfsg.3-1; lenny: 2007.dfsg.2-1~lenny2; sid: 2009-8; squeeze: 2009-8 |
| 10:16.24 | dhe-` | osfd: thanks ^^ |
| 10:16.28 | wols_ | osfd: it's a good way to kill your debian, yes |
| 10:16.57 | osfd | wols_: what do you mean ? |
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| 10:17.08 | wols_ | mixing stable and testing makes your debian go BOOM |
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| 10:17.18 | osfd | wols_: yes, got that |
| 10:17.24 | razvand | osfd, what I'm usually doing is edit /etc/apt/sources.list to the new repository and apt-get upgrade texlive then edit sources.list back |
| 10:17.32 | vivid | sometimes we like some boom though! |
| 10:17.50 | dhe-` | if i type "ps aux" on my debian openvz host system all processess from the VE's are shown as well. How can i list only processess running on the host? |
| 10:17.51 | cristi8 | wols_: i used to install packages from testing/unstable myself.. and it did screwed up my system.. but how is a good way of upgrading a package? |
| 10:18.09 | wols_ | razvand: that is a dangerous and stupid thing to say |
| 10:18.18 | vivid | cristi8, a good way IMO would be to man up and use testing :p |
| 10:18.26 | wols_ | cristi8: /msg dpkg ssb. however, with texlive this is quite an undertaking |
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| 10:18.46 | osfd | wols_: so, what is you advice ? |
| 10:18.55 | wols_ | osfd: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:19.11 | osfd | dpkg ssb |
| 10:19.12 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 10:19.51 | cristi8 | osfd: texlive is not backported, i checked |
| 10:20.08 | osfd | cristi8: thank you, so I compile it myself ?? |
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| 10:20.41 | ethanol | how do I disable system beep? |
| 10:20.46 | ethanol | frickin annoying :< |
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| 10:22.48 | krion | ethanol: personnaly i rmmod pcspkr |
| 10:22.55 | krion | then blacklist it |
| 10:23.21 | wols_ | ethanol: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 10:24.48 | osfd | something like: aptitude update -t testing texlive-full ? |
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| 10:27.01 | cristi8 | osfd: maybe just follow dpkg's instructions? |
| 10:27.22 | osfd | I'll try that, ok |
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| 10:28.09 | Mowee | Salut ^^ |
| 10:28.31 | osfd | dpkg uupdate |
| 10:28.31 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 10:30.16 | cristi8 | osfd: sid is not too old for you. have you read what dpkg said? |
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| 10:31.55 | sameer666 | make-kpkg not found |
| 10:32.03 | sameer666 | what package i m missing ? |
| 10:32.07 | osfd | cristi8: I was thinking about doing the same with testing instead of sid, what do you think ? |
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| 10:33.26 | osfd | and I usually use aptitude instead of apt-get... |
| 10:33.39 | krion | euh, google doesn't help for that simpliest thing |
| 10:34.04 | krion | i want to print stdout colum in line with a pipe |
| 10:34.29 | nsadmin | , versions openacs |
| 10:34.31 | judd | openacs -- sid: 5.5.1-2; squeeze: 5.5.1-2 |
| 10:34.40 | krion | like cat test.txt |awk --inline '{print $1}' |
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| 10:34.55 | nsadmin | oh looky dat! I can talk about openacs here! |
| 10:34.59 | sameer666 | never mind found it |
| 10:36.10 | stuckey | ethanol: ohh... I know what you mean man. |
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| 10:36.44 | stuckey | ethanol: System beep is the *worst* thing... it almost drove me to sucicide last week. It took me forever to finally kill it, but in the end, I got him. |
| 10:36.48 | stuckey | ethanol: have you figured it out yet? |
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| 10:37.09 | nsadmin | you got him before you got you? |
| 10:37.43 | osfd | cristi8: by the way, how do i tell aptitude to get the source from testing ? |
| 10:37.48 | sameer666 | any body worked with squid64 with tproxy ? |
| 10:38.15 | nsadmin | sameer666: read its docs. if you're having a problem, check the bts. |
| 10:38.54 | sameer666 | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 10:39.34 | scode | Is there an idiomatic way to get a lenny installer going with a kernel newer than that in lenny? |
| 10:39.47 | scode | I need to install it on new hardware whose NIC isn't detected. |
| 10:39.52 | daltio | guys i want to set passwd aging on root for 45 days so that it ask me to change pass aftre ev 45 days |
| 10:39.59 | daltio | any idea how i do in debian |
| 10:40.10 | nsadmin | AFTER THAT, if you're still having a problem, and you've come up with more than no information and no specifics, that's when to start thinking about which person to ask |
| 10:40.15 | sameer666 | scode: wat u mean ? |
| 10:40.22 | wols_ | !tell scode about kmuto |
| 10:40.43 | scode | sameer666: I want to install lenny, but lenny is too old to support the hardware out of the box. This is not a problem once installed, but the installer needs to detect my hardware first. |
| 10:40.47 | scode | wols_: checking, thanks |
| 10:41.08 | scode | wols_: Thanks, looks like exactly what I was after. |
| 10:41.27 | nsadmin | scode: do you want to install lenny on a machine within a few feet of you? or within hundreds of miles? |
| 10:41.45 | scode | nsadmin: i have physicall access. |
| 10:42.07 | scode | (and i already tried usb stick + netinst iso; it didn't detect the ISO for some reason) |
| 10:42.25 | nsadmin | ok, you can go for the kmuto thing, OR you can install from a netinst on a cdrom |
| 10:42.56 | wols_ | kmuto's installer IS a netins |
| 10:42.59 | wols_ | t |
| 10:43.28 | sameer666 | nsadmin: wat is actual advantage of using netinstall, wat i understand is u can install using net or customize build that is it or there is something else i m missing |
| 10:43.31 | scode | I'll go for the custom image. Thanks! |
| 10:43.48 | stuckey | rvsjoen: normal now... it shows 1gb |
| 10:44.28 | nsadmin | on the netinstall, the base packages are present and will be installed from the cd if the network is not supported by that kernel |
| 10:45.07 | nsadmin | after reboot, you would have an installation without networking, but you would then upgrade the kernel to one that supports your hardware |
| 10:45.12 | razvand | Does anyone know how to list all possible variables for getconf? Such as GNU_LIBC_VERSION or GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION? |
| 10:45.57 | nsadmin | razvand: I would think the documentation contains that list |
| 10:46.05 | nsadmin | if it's a list, look into nm |
| 10:46.11 | nsadmin | err if it's a lib |
| 10:47.06 | nsadmin | sameer666, usually cd 1 contains everything a netinstall has, but the netinstall is about 4x smaller |
| 10:47.35 | sameer666 | nsadmin: so it is the same as cd 1 but just squeezed in ? |
| 10:47.58 | razvand | getconf -a did the trick |
| 10:48.01 | nsadmin | same except stuff is removed that has nothing to do with install |
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| 10:48.28 | razvand | and, of course, there is nothing in the manual about the -a option |
| 10:48.41 | nsadmin | add it |
| 10:48.50 | nsadmin | create a diff |
| 10:48.57 | nsadmin | file bug report with diff |
| 10:49.06 | razvand | nsadmin, OK :-) I'll do that |
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| 10:49.28 | razvand | nsadmin, I've never actually filed a diff or a bug report ... I hope I'll do it right |
| 10:50.05 | nsadmin | meetoo! |
| 10:50.51 | badcloud | how to debug pulseaudio instead of it running in daemon mode at startup? |
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| 10:51.39 | badcloud | I'm experiencing royal bugginess with it in karmic |
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| 10:52.03 | nsadmin | I dunno... but someone might if you describe exactly what you want pulseaudio to behave like while you debug... in #ubuntu |
| 10:52.29 | jontsu | What is the common reason why the monitor gets black after Debian have been installed by netinst or from dvd? The videocard is an old club3D... comp is old anyway...? |
| 10:53.14 | badcloud | nsadmin: thanks |
| 10:53.24 | sameer666 | nsadmin: if i only install with netinstall with the system be workable ? |
| 10:53.43 | nsadmin | you will have the base of debian |
| 10:53.47 | sameer666 | other words smallest debian install ? |
| 10:53.53 | nsadmin | yes |
| 10:54.09 | nsadmin | smallest possible == all of base |
| 10:54.32 | sameer666 | all of the base ? |
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| 10:55.04 | nsadmin | thinks that's what he said... /me checks... yep! that's what he said! |
| 10:55.06 | jontsu | The videocard uses agp and I have also tried to configure BIOS |
| 10:55.26 | sameer666 | nsadmin: wat u mean all of the base ? |
| 10:55.30 | sameer666 | confused |
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| 10:55.48 | nsadmin | google for debian base |
| 10:55.54 | sameer666 | ok |
| 10:56.01 | jontsu | nsadmin: could you help me? |
| 10:56.02 | sameer666 | thanks |
| 10:56.16 | Origen | How can I have the following command |
| 10:56.32 | jontsu | nsadmin: or should I google is there same problems with others? |
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| 10:57.14 | jontsu | doh |
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| 10:57.17 | nsadmin | you could start that way, and also describing exactly what you mean |
| 10:57.27 | jontsu | ok |
| 10:57.42 | delby | hi there, should i use 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' for upgrading? is there a difference? |
| 10:57.58 | Origen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.59 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
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| 10:58.37 | pfui | if I startx, change to another virtual terminal and then go back to the first, my X session is no longer in display. how do I bring it back? |
| 10:59.18 | delby | nsadmin: are you asking me? if yes its lenny 64. |
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| 10:59.51 | nsadmin | for lenny, aptitude is recommended, and yes there is a difference. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 11:00.31 | delby | nsadmin: thanks. will read as suggested. |
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| 11:13.18 | daltio | guys is it possible in debian to set passwd agging for root so that it was to change passwd on ev 30 days |
| 11:13.22 | daltio | how i do ? |
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| 11:18.27 | pngwn | daltio, man passwd |
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| 11:18.46 | daltio | i did it says passwd -x 45 root |
| 11:18.55 | daltio | but how i varify its done |
| 11:19.41 | rvsjoen | daltio: chage -l root |
| 11:19.48 | rvsjoen | you can also use chage to set it |
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| 11:20.12 | jelly | Origen: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#for_i_in_.60ls_.2A.mp3.60 |
| 11:20.27 | daltio | great |
| 11:20.28 | daltio | thanks |
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| 11:23.19 | d1b | hi i have an issue with lvm |
| 11:23.21 | d1b | like |
| 11:23.27 | d1b | when i boot it doesn't fsck my drive properly |
| 11:23.33 | d1b | i don't think it knows my lvm is set up like so |
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| 11:24.34 | d1b | what tools should i be using to check a lvm volume / initrd setup |
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| 11:26.15 | Gijs | how to set the max size of a home-direction of a user? |
| 11:27.00 | nsadmin | what's a home-direction? southwest? |
| 11:27.20 | Gijs | so like /home/user/* |
| 11:27.28 | nsadmin | oh, directory |
| 11:27.49 | nsadmin | look into user quotas |
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| 11:28.49 | TheAvatar | if you run openvas against a debian system, you get a lot of security hole warnings due to "old version numbers". Is there a way to avoid that? |
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| 11:30.58 | jelly | TheAvatar: fix your detection scripts? |
| 11:33.25 | jelly | TheAvatar: basically you should correlate your security tool database with "/msg dpkg tracker of doom" and somehow tell it which versions are ok to use |
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| 11:37.04 | TheAvatar | jelly, but will be lots of work to adjust the openvas scripts each time they are updated? |
| 11:37.55 | jelly | TheAvatar: your goal should be to integrate that work into the packaging or with the upstream db maintainer |
| 11:39.01 | abrotman | or use debsecan |
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| 11:39.59 | nsadmin | if the security scan stops when it thinks "version too early", that's a bad test... there should be tests of ACTUAL FUNCTIONALITY (many of them) that are applied to each version |
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| 11:41.14 | nsadmin | debian maints tend to fix the version they're working on, and apply security fixes to them rather than upgrade. many times, they don't have the choice to do otherwise (other than do nothing) |
| 11:41.19 | khaleel5000 | hey, i am in a tough spot, i need a netbook for casual purposes, but i want to run linux i have this good deal and i have to decide asap about it, the only question is wil it run any version of linux? |
| 11:41.23 | khaleel5000 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MSI-WIND-U130-10IN-NETBOOK-WHITE-REFURBISHED_W0QQitemZ330415755791QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Laptops_EH?hash=item4cee50520f#rpdId thats the netbook |
| 11:41.29 | khaleel5000 | any thoughts will be appreciated |
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| 11:42.24 | nsadmin | "need" and "casual" are kinda disjointed :) |
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| 11:43.20 | semprix | hi are there any drivers for netraid 1M |
| 11:43.20 | sameer666 | how to find out wat modules are install with kernel ? |
| 11:43.28 | semprix | HP netraid 1M |
| 11:44.16 | nkuttler | khaleel5000: well, google model + linux, or see linux on laptops |
| 11:44.18 | nsadmin | khaleel5000: look up on some search engine about that particular laptop and linux |
| 11:44.38 | nkuttler | sameer666: installed or loaded? |
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| 11:44.55 | nsadmin | "installed", look at config file in /boot |
| 11:45.07 | nsadmin | "loaded", lsmod |
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| 11:45.32 | nkuttler | sameer666: and /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 11:45.45 | wols_ | khaleel5000: /msg dpkg netbook /msg dpkg laptop |
| 11:45.47 | khaleel5000 | nkuttler: i did, i didnt find much about it |
| 11:46.13 | sameer666 | nkuttler: ok thanks |
| 11:46.20 | wols_ | khaleel5000: we are a debian support channel. not a "netbook buyers guide" |
| 11:46.22 | sameer666 | nkuttler: how to load a module ? |
| 11:46.49 | wols_ | sameer666: man modprobe |
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| 11:47.13 | wols_ | sameer666: what's the PCI id of your controller |
| 11:47.13 | sameer666 | wols_: lol |
| 11:47.14 | TheAvatar | but that makes openvas 100% useless with debian |
| 11:47.14 | sameer666 | ok |
| 11:47.22 | sameer666 | it is tproxy module |
| 11:47.35 | TheAvatar | It does some testing too, but guess some things are tested against version numbers only |
| 11:47.45 | TheAvatar | what I came here to ask for, was also more like "what do other openvas users do?" |
| 11:48.01 | wols_ | TheAvatar: and you ask this here why? |
| 11:48.30 | TheAvatar | because this is a debian, is it not? |
| 11:48.38 | wols_ | maybe you should ask in a openvas channel, cause this problem is definitely not debian specific. unless you are a gentoo user at the cutting edge or a LFS user, openvas is simply crapware |
| 11:48.46 | wols_ | ,versions openvas |
| 11:48.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openvas' was found. |
| 11:48.53 | wols_ | it is a debian what? |
| 11:49.06 | TheAvatar | then this makes most sense to ask here, since I dont care what openvas users do in general as this is a "debian issue" - as packages are added some subversions, rather than upgrading the package |
| 11:49.19 | TheAvatar | debian related channel* |
| 11:49.32 | khaleel5000 | wols_: i just needed an opinion...what ever |
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| 11:50.07 | lvh` | Hello |
| 11:50.15 | TheAvatar | and since the packages (in an early stage tho) are a part of the debian repos, I figured it made more sense asking here, rather than other places |
| 11:50.22 | nkuttler | khaleel5000: get the specs for that laptop, google component + linux |
| 11:50.24 | TheAvatar | since, if I use sources, this is not relevant |
| 11:50.31 | wols_ | TheAvatar: ALL linux distros have this problem. ALL of them. if there is a problem in ubuntu LTS, what do you think they do? what would RHEL users do? |
| 11:50.48 | lvh` | I've installed squeeze yesterday, and something's up with the default tab completion. On my old install and mylaptop, when I do stuff like sudo aptitude install abc<TAB>, it autocompletes for packages starting with abc. |
| 11:50.58 | lvh` | This doesn't work anymore. Any obvious culprits? |
| 11:51.17 | nkuttler | lvh`: you didn't install the bash completion package? |
| 11:51.20 | TheAvatar | yes, I know, but since I run debian, asking here makes the most sense. And I thought I were not the only person in the whole wide world using openvas and debian, but guess I am |
| 11:51.22 | wols_ | all these users can't just get to the developer's website get the latest cvs and compile it |
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| 11:51.31 | TheAvatar | if you attack other people the same way you attack me |
| 11:51.44 | wols_ | the openvas detection mechanism is deeply flawed |
| 11:51.57 | abrotman | TheAvatar: and we told you, that tool is inaccurate .. just doing a comparison by version number is full of fail |
| 11:52.20 | lvh` | We need an RFC for version numbers. |
| 11:52.21 | TheAvatar | guess version number comparison is just one of more detection mechanisms |
| 11:52.46 | lvh` | nkuttler: Egad. I thought that was installed by default... Thanks :-) |
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| 11:53.22 | wols_ | TheAvatar: tell me what others there are? do you honstly think openvas will md6sum every linux binary shipped by any distro, compiled by any gcc compiler? |
| 11:53.29 | abrotman | TheAvatar: the idea that the tool assumes everyone is using upstream is goofy |
| 11:53.31 | wols_ | *md5sum |
| 11:53.39 | abrotman | uses md7sum |
| 11:53.46 | TheAvatar | some of the tests are also based on attacking |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | such as? |
| 11:54.25 | TheAvatar | well, the tests that can do a remote crash can clearly not be based on solely on doing a version lookup |
| 11:54.39 | TheAvatar | and if it just does version lookups, why does it try e.g. various things at apache |
| 11:54.54 | TheAvatar | and if it only does version lookups, how can it cause OOM issues? |
| 11:55.29 | TheAvatar | I dont say openvas is a superior tool, but that is what I need to use, it runs externally against some hosts |
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| 11:55.47 | TheAvatar | and I ask if anybody found a smart way to deal with the version "mismatch" problem |
| 11:56.20 | abrotman | we told you, do not use their tool |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | !debsecan |
| 11:56.30 | dpkg | [debsecan] a program that reports security advisories against programs installed on the host, similar to gentoo's glsa-check. See http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/. |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 11:56.32 | dpkg | methinks tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 11:57.25 | TheAvatar | and I told you, I have to use that tool, no matter how sucky it is. If nobody has an idea of how to solve my issue, fine. guess it cant be solved |
| 11:57.33 | abrotman | or ask them? |
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| 11:57.37 | abrotman | is openvas in debian? |
| 11:57.50 | TheAvatar | yes |
| 11:57.52 | nsadmin | , versions openvas |
| 11:57.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openvas' was found. |
| 11:57.55 | TheAvatar | if you mean the packages |
| 11:58.07 | khaleel5000 | nkuttler: thanks |
| 11:58.10 | nsadmin | not packaged by that name |
| 11:58.17 | TheAvatar | that is correct |
| 11:58.21 | abrotman | judd: versions openvas-client |
| 11:58.22 | judd | openvas-client -- lenny: 1.0.4-1; lenny-backports: 2.0.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.0.5-1; squeeze: 2.0.5-1; experimental: 3.0.0-1 |
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| 11:58.35 | abrotman | is at least smart enough to search correctly |
| 11:58.54 | nsadmin | but how did you know -client? |
| 11:59.16 | TheAvatar | apt-cache search openvas ? |
| 11:59.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: apt-cache search openvas .. seriously? you've been here how long? |
| 11:59.52 | nsadmin | TheAvatar the thing is you now have at least two tools to use, one of those searches against the debian security database |
| 12:00.09 | wols_ | abrotman: we are lazy dammit and proud of it. go bug themill to add wildcards to judd |
| 12:00.19 | nsadmin | it's silly to not use both |
| 12:00.57 | TheAvatar | any of you people using any of those two tools? I really need to not install extra stuff on the servers, and I need a consolidated PDF report from all servers |
| 12:00.57 | abrotman | wols_: uhm .. i think it does have that ability, but i can't recall how |
| 12:01.04 | abrotman | TheAvatar: which two tools? |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | openvas i have not, i have used debsecan |
| 12:01.14 | TheAvatar | debsecan and using that vuln tracker database? |
| 12:01.47 | abrotman | and the tracker of doom is actually pretty concise .. you can say "this is everything currently affecting everything known in main in Debian Stable" |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | even if it's not installed |
| 12:01.56 | nsadmin | the two I was thinking of was debsecan and openvas... so now you have THREE... |
| 12:03.10 | nsadmin | offer them all the reports, put the one they like either on top or on the bottom |
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| 12:03.27 | abrotman | TheAvatar: and even better, you can help the debian security team :) |
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| 12:03.49 | TheAvatar | puh - stupid of me to assume there was an easy way to fix this, that doesnt take days of working hours |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | TheAvatar: i think it's odd the openvas-client in debian would report things as out of date |
| 12:04.31 | nsadmin | either just use one then, or hand them all the reports |
| 12:04.51 | TheAvatar | still - lots of extra work, testing, preparing, deploying etc |
| 12:04.55 | TheAvatar | not just a 5 minute task |
| 12:05.08 | TheAvatar | I am using the backports one, but I assume that wont be an issue |
| 12:05.09 | abrotman | TheAvatar: but the 'tracker of doom' already has the output you can use ? |
| 12:05.20 | abrotman | holy crap .. so not installing openvas .. tons of deps |
| 12:05.53 | TheAvatar | yes - that's why its "good" - because I can run it on an external machine for that sole purpose |
| 12:06.16 | abrotman | TheAvatar: i meant i'm not installing it just to muck with it here, maybe i'll check it out at home |
| 12:06.18 | TheAvatar | that's not a part of a protected environment, and I dont need to justify each single installed package |
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| 12:09.56 | TheAvatar | anyways - thanks for the inputs here |
| 12:11.13 | abrotman | TheAvatar: you may also want to look at debsums |
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| 12:15.47 | TheAvatar | all local tools, but guess that's the way to go. thanks |
| 12:16.00 | abrotman | TheAvatar: well, in those cases .. is nessus still an option ? |
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| 12:17.37 | TheAvatar | abrotman, well - not if I can avoid it - and still - openvas is a fork of nessus? |
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| 12:19.25 | abrotman | TheAvatar: it may be, i can't recall |
| 12:19.31 | elik | I'm having a hard time tring to find what I should install to get acrobat reader on debian. There was a package for that before, but now it seems like there is acroread-debian-files, which depends on acroread, but there is no such package :( |
| 12:19.40 | abrotman | !openvas |
| 12:19.40 | dpkg | OpenVAS (OpenSource Vulnerability Assessment Scanner, formerly GNessUs) is a fork of <Nessus>, but is not a drop-in Nessus replacement. OpenVAS is packaged for Debian; backported packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>. http://www.openvas.org/ #openvas on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | TheAvatar: apparently so |
| 12:19.53 | abrotman | !nessus |
| 12:19.53 | dpkg | Nessus is a proprietary vulnerability scanner. Previously GPL licensed until Nessus 3, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #534501. Ask me about <openvas>. |
| 12:19.56 | elik | Everything I find on google has been posted in 2007... |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | and gone it is |
| 12:20.13 | abrotman | elik: what's wrong with the five other readers already in debian ? |
| 12:21.34 | elik | abrotman, do they have functional plugins for google-chrome? |
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| 12:21.48 | abrotman | elik: plugins to view it in the browser? |
| 12:21.57 | elik | yeah |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | i'd guess chrome doesn't either .. but not that i'm aware of, but that's not a 'feature' i'd want |
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| 12:22.54 | dhe-` | if i type "ps aux" on my debian openvz host system all processess from the VE's are shown as well. How can i list only processess running on the host? |
| 12:23.45 | elik | abrotman, I try to keep all the browsing inside the browser |
| 12:26.38 | wols_ | elik: checked dmm? |
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| 12:27.43 | elik | wols_, yup, got that in my sources |
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| 12:27.58 | elik | wols_, in feb: non-free packages. Now flash-player, w32codecs, w64codecs and acroread packages are in non-free. |
| 12:28.15 | elik | wols_, but I have non-free too and I don't see it there either :S |
| 12:28.34 | wols_ | ,versions acroread |
| 12:28.36 | judd | acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 8.1.7-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.1-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.1-0.0 |
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| 12:29.13 | wols_ | maybe check again? |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | are there linux tools to underclock a G5 PPC mahcine ? |
| 12:29.51 | elik | wols_, I just updated and I get this when I try to install: No candidate version found for acroread |
| 12:30.16 | jelly | elik: you don't have debian-multimedia repos enabled? |
| 12:30.17 | abrotman | elik: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 12:30.30 | elik | jelly, well, as far as I know, I do |
| 12:30.31 | joltcan | abrotman: I think I remember CPU stepping working fine on G4/G5, but it was a looong time ago I did that |
| 12:30.38 | jelly | !d-m |
| 12:30.38 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 12:31.05 | jelly | elik: you might be missing his split into main and non-free |
| 12:31.25 | elik | jelly, yeah, I just added dmm non-free and updating |
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| 12:31.53 | elik | did he have those branches before? |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | joltcan: i was just wondering if i could slow it down to reduce heat |
| 12:32.14 | jelly | elik: it's a recent development, maybe a month or two |
| 12:32.18 | joltcan | abrotman: Thats what I did for my laptop |
| 12:33.17 | joltcan | abrotman: I think I just had to echo something to /proc/cpufreq |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | hopes PPC has a longer future than alpha |
| 12:33.39 | joltcan | abrotman: But they might have made something better since 2005... |
| 12:34.06 | elik | jelly, yup, that did it. Thanks jelly |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | joltcan: and sadly, i have a PPC mini at home, i should probably know this :) |
| 12:34.42 | elik | abrotman, I just didn't have non-free for d-m, won't need to pastebin, thx :) |
| 12:34.47 | abrotman | i mean .. it hasn't been turned on about a year |
| 12:34.59 | joltcan | abrotman: I had to use all available tricks on my powerbook G4 to not get any permanent damage to my lap :) |
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| 12:35.12 | jelly | !d-m |
| 12:35.12 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 12:35.16 | jelly | there. |
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| 12:36.38 | elik | jelly, hehe, nice, thanks again |
| 12:37.05 | joltcan | abrotman: seems like there is a thermal module that can be used to control different things these days |
| 12:37.59 | abrotman | maybe i should just use a mini instead of an xserve .. oh well |
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| 12:39.44 | abrotman | joltcan: thanks for the info |
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| 12:40.27 | joltcan | abrotman: U'r welcome |
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| 12:43.47 | fefo | Hi there |
| 12:43.50 | npoektop | how to make lxde show icon of xpdf on alt-tab? |
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| 12:44.04 | fefo | I am running latest lenny on amd64 |
| 12:44.12 | stix | Hi guys. Is this wireless nic supported by Debian: http://www.cortexsystems.dk/shop/wireless/wlm200nx_en.html ? |
| 12:44.31 | fefo | and awstats is still crashing either with double free memory error |
| 12:44.37 | fefo | or segmentation fault |
| 12:44.45 | abrotman | stix: do you know the actual chipset ? |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | stix: it is Atheros, but that's all i see |
| 12:45.03 | fefo | I was trying to google out any answer, but I was unsuccessful |
| 12:45.07 | stix | isn't it "WLM200NX" ? |
| 12:45.08 | fefo | any hint ? |
| 12:45.24 | fefo | does somebody have the same problem with awstats ? |
| 12:45.34 | abrotman | stix: that's the manuf model |
| 12:45.34 | sameer666 | any one using tproxy ? |
| 12:45.41 | sameer666 | with squid 2.7 |
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| 12:45.44 | stix | okay |
| 12:45.56 | abrotman | stix: looks like you might need a kernel from backports.org (or the kmuto installer) but it seems like it hsuld work |
| 12:46.12 | stix | okay |
| 12:46.15 | abrotman | stix: i see mention of ath9k in google |
| 12:46.52 | stix | ath9k is the one? |
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| 12:47.26 | abrotman | stix: i saw mention in the results, i didn't read the articles |
| 12:47.37 | stix | oki |
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| 12:47.44 | kjelle | hello. i am using db_input and a db_get in my postinst when making a .deb package. how do i call "dpkg -i mypackage.deb" with an argument to default select e.g. yes or no on the db_get? |
| 12:49.24 | stix | oh it seems like it's AR9220 chipset |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | stix: basically google for "wlm200nx debian driver" .. see what you get |
| 12:49.37 | abrotman | stix: to me, that suggests ath9k |
| 12:50.00 | rgr | is there a general solution to stop the screensaver if any kind of video is playing (youtube in this case). |
| 12:50.03 | stix | great, then it should be straight forward |
| 12:52.22 | Titan8990 | rgr: not that I know of... I just set it to an hour and roll with that |
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| 12:53.37 | grawity | What is wrong with this /etc/apt/preferences? http://sprunge.us/ANCi |
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| 12:54.08 | abrotman | tell us what doesn't work |
| 12:54.10 | zxd_ | is there a pckage with all the dependices required for compiling a kernel |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | is a good start |
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| 13:00.40 | jham | guys, is it a known issue that it is not possible to login to phpmyadmin right after installing over apt-get? is it maybe even intended? |
| 13:00.40 | Finkregh | hi, is it possible to get a changelog like "git annotate", for files in a package? i'd like to know from which changelog/patch which line comes.. (need that for /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/300_exim4-config_real_local from exim4-config |
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| 13:02.03 | abrotman | jham: did you look in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ ? |
| 13:02.14 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I was tryping that out dammit |
| 13:02.29 | abrotman | really? |
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| 13:02.51 | Titan8990 | yeah, I was going to specify Readme.Debian though |
| 13:04.00 | abrotman | well, i try not to use mysql, and i wouldn't use phpmyadmin if i did |
| 13:04.13 | ethanol | mysql > * |
| 13:04.42 | abrotman | are you insane? |
| 13:04.46 | ethanol | jham: you have to configure it first, read the README, which may not seem as obvious as it is apparently |
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| 13:04.51 | abrotman | there's a good chance i' |
| 13:04.57 | abrotman | there's a good chance i'd rather use MS Access before mysql |
| 13:05.06 | ethanol | abrotman: good for you |
| 13:05.07 | Titan8990 | abrotman: thats pushing it |
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| 13:05.19 | abrotman | so is "mysql > *" .. that's just silly |
| 13:05.44 | Titan8990 | I can agree with that... but its not as terrible as you make it sound |
| 13:05.44 | jham | abrotman, ethanol okay, thank you. seems it is intended then. apt-get should throw some message about that :) |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | jham: i think it's intended to keep people from having it 'just work' without actually configuring it. that kind of tool i wouldn't want to work out of the box either |
| 13:06.53 | abrotman | jham: there's probably a bug about it in the BTS |
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| 13:08.26 | jham | abrotman: well, probably it is a good security feature to prevent people running phpmyadmin without noticing it. a message on installation would be quite nice though |
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| 13:09.05 | Titan8990 | the maintainer might expect people to look at the docs regardless if apt tells them to |
| 13:09.21 | Titan8990 | which I don't think any do tell you to rtfm... I would imagine it is assumed |
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| 13:09.39 | abrotman | Titan8990: you should read the README for the cyrus upgrade docs :) |
| 13:11.02 | wols_ | abrotman: hey! I upgraded recently from 2.1 to 2.2. worked out of the box, no problems |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | wols_: we lost subscriptions, especially to shared folders |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | not a big deal |
| 13:12.09 | wols_ | but yes, the docs are scary. and very unclear |
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| 13:14.22 | abrotman | wols_: i like the "I was writing a script to automate tihs, but someone pissed me off, tough" |
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| 13:16.11 | mugwort13 | anyone know of a working setup of an AT&T USBconnect(velocity or mercury) card in debian? I tried searching google, but found nothing so far. |
| 13:17.02 | Titan8990 | !3g |
| 13:17.02 | dpkg | methinks 3g is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology. If you have a 3G modem, you may wish to see http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ to get it working on linux. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G . See also <modeswitch>. |
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| 13:17.56 | abrotman | knows there is a tell feature ... |
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| 13:21.38 | burgerking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:21.46 | burgerking | oops |
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| 13:24.03 | fruitwerks | anyone know how to make a chroot for centos? |
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| 13:24.26 | abrotman | fruitwerks: #centos ? |
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| 13:27.58 | fruitwerks | asking everywhere :p |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | did you try ##linux or #centos, you're offtopic here |
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| 13:34.50 | jelly | judd: find decentossttap |
| 13:35.00 | jelly | judd: find centosstrap |
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| 13:35.01 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 13:36.29 | niklaswe | any ide about this slurp:/home/niklas# snmpwalk -Os -c public -v 1 localhost system |
| 13:36.33 | niklaswe | system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system) |
| 13:36.36 | niklaswe | i have install mibs.. |
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| 13:36.55 | niklaswe | ii snmp-mibs-downloader 1.0 |
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| 13:42.38 | enthus_ | Hi all ,,this is the output of my uname -a :Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux, which distro i m using? |
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| 13:43.51 | DASPRiD | enthus_, you are using debian |
| 13:44.04 | enthus_ | DASPRiD: yes |
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| 13:45.35 | enthus_ | DASPRiD: any idea please.? |
| 13:46.59 | DASPRiD | yes, debian |
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| 13:47.20 | enthus_ | DASPRiD: distro itself debian? |
| 13:48.48 | DASPRiD | as you asked, yes |
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| 13:49.58 | Titan8990 | enthus_: appears to be a debian kernel but kernel version isn't a set identifier |
| 13:49.59 | Titan8990 | !version |
| 13:50.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 13:51.18 | niklaswe | how will i get snmpd to work.. i only got system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system) and i have install mibs packages from non-free |
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| 13:51.46 | abrotman | niklaswe: wasn't jarick helping you yesterday? |
| 13:52.54 | niklaswe | abrotman: no he leave before i pasted all from pastebin |
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| 13:58.24 | E-bola | How can you tell whats causing an increase in unix load avg, if no processes are using particular much cpu time? |
| 13:59.01 | d3x | E-bola, most likely something uses I/O intensively |
| 13:59.05 | abrotman | are they in wa ? |
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| 13:59.53 | E-bola | nope none are |
| 14:00.06 | abrotman | check with top |
| 14:00.07 | E-bola | d3x: got any tool sthat can tell me which processes are using i/o? |
| 14:00.15 | amphi | iotop |
| 14:00.17 | d3x | E-bola, iotop |
| 14:00.21 | E-bola | abrotman: i am, its the "S" coloum right? |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | at the top |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | where it has the percentages |
| 14:00.41 | E-bola | ahh |
| 14:00.43 | E-bola | 0.2% |
| 14:01.05 | E-bola | hmm the load is going down again now |
| 14:02.04 | d3x | now we can extrapolate this case: when your load avg is too high, /j #debian to make it go down |
| 14:02.06 | E-bola | hmm iotop looks really cool, jsut a shame there doesnt apear to be an equivlalent of cputime, so you can try and spot the problems historically |
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| 14:02.12 | E-bola | d3x: :P |
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| 14:02.42 | asg | E-bola: you could look at the sysstat package and it's sar utility to trend a lot of things over time. |
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| 14:03.10 | E-bola | asg: ya i've been needing to find a way to monitor disk usage in linux for ages |
| 14:03.15 | E-bola | not found something i liked so far |
| 14:04.36 | d3x | `du` is for disk usage :) |
| 14:04.59 | abrotman | E-bola: snmp and some web thingie ? |
| 14:05.23 | d3x | cacti? |
| 14:05.24 | E-bola | abrotman: well its not a problem about how to get/show the values, its about which values to log |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | disk space? :) |
| 14:05.43 | E-bola | i think i've discussed it quite lenghthy even in this very channel before :) |
| 14:06.01 | E-bola | Its the equivalence of "disk time" in windows |
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| 14:07.51 | zxd_ | while compiling a kernel I got this error at the end |
| 14:07.53 | zxd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.59 | zxd_ | compiling with kernel-package |
| 14:08.04 | zxd_ | kernel from www.kernel.org |
| 14:08.33 | wols_ | zxd_: and now you go to the BTS as every other day and read up on this particular bug, right? |
| 14:08.35 | abrotman | zxd_: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 14:09.20 | zxd_ | 2.6.32-4-xen-amd64 |
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| 14:11.40 | manicman | i am developing in c++ and my gcc is telling me that /tmp is full what is obviously true. can i somehow cleanup my /tmp or advice gcc to use another place to put tmp files? |
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| 14:15.05 | brounok | i use rt2500 pci card for my wlan. in lenny, there is a rt2500 configuration utility but since upgrading to Squeeze, it cannot be used anymore. kernel 2.6.32 has rt2500pci built-in but no config utility? |
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| 14:19.06 | valdyn | brounok: that tool is useless |
| 14:19.14 | valdyn | brounok: ( for the new driver ) |
| 14:19.35 | valdyn | brounok: the tool is just for the realtek driver |
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| 14:20.13 | valdyn | brounok: theres plenty generic wlan tools in debian that work for all the drivers |
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| 14:20.40 | valdyn | !wicd |
| 14:20.40 | dpkg | it has been said that wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <backports.org>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:22.22 | brounok | it is a good tool. i have used it a lot in lenny. i am having wicd now. it does not provide as much info as the rt2500 config utility. |
| 14:22.44 | valdyn | brounok: thats possible, but you cant use that tool |
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| 14:23.17 | brounok | valdyn: i would like to continue on this topic but i have got to go. another time. |
| 14:23.28 | jorizma | i like ceni over wcid for some reason |
| 14:24.04 | DASPRiD | for some reason, a newly created raid ist mounted to /dev/md/5, while a symbolic link from /dev/md5 points to it. previous raids are just fine, how to change the mount point to the original location (/dev/md5)? |
| 14:24.21 | valdyn | DASPRiD: why is that change a problem? |
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| 14:24.59 | valdyn | DASPRiD: are you even using debian? |
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| 14:25.19 | valdyn | ( my debian sure does *not* have such symlinks ) |
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| 14:26.43 | jelly | DASPRiD: pastebin: version of mdadm package (dpkg -l libc6 mdadm |tail -2), contents of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, ls -l /dev/md* |
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| 14:26.52 | kzim | hi |
| 14:27.17 | kzim | is there a package for php5-svn for lenny ? please |
| 14:27.34 | jelly | judd: versions php5-svn |
| 14:27.34 | judd | php5-svn -- sid: 0.5.1-1+b1; squeeze: 0.5.1-1+b1 |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | nope! |
| 14:27.48 | valdyn | judd: version php4-svn |
| 14:27.49 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 14:27.52 | valdyn | judd: versions php4-svn |
| 14:27.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php4-svn' was found. |
| 14:28.00 | jelly | kzim: doesn't seem so. You can try making one! /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:35.26 | SerajewelKS | people still use php 4? |
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| 14:36.48 | kombucha | SerajewelKS: well just Rasmus, and only at his mother's house on weekends |
| 14:36.59 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, ppl even still use php < 5.3 ;) |
| 14:37.02 | DASPRiD | which is a shame |
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| 14:37.18 | kombucha | stifles urge to slap DASPRiD |
| 14:37.24 | DASPRiD | :> |
| 14:37.42 | kombucha | but enough of that, let's talk PHP6! |
| 14:37.54 | DASPRiD | goto end; |
| 14:38.18 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: i've been spoiled by languages that have decent OO and generator support :S |
| 14:38.30 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: once php has those it will be zomg unstoppable |
| 14:38.34 | kombucha | SerajewelKS: which one in particular? |
| 14:38.52 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: python and C# mostly |
| 14:39.00 | DASPRiD | python's OO is far away from decent |
| 14:39.12 | DASPRiD | it doesn't even have visibility in classes |
| 14:39.19 | DASPRiD | everything is just public |
| 14:39.32 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: haha, if you want to look at inheritance in php... it reminds me of the perl days |
| 14:39.39 | kombucha | DASPRiD: how does visibility relate to encapsulation? |
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| 14:40.06 | DASPRiD | kombucha, i didn't say that, did it? ;) |
| 14:40.14 | kombucha | no, I'm just asking |
| 14:40.24 | DASPRiD | i'd say there's not relation |
| 14:40.31 | DASPRiD | *no |
| 14:40.47 | DASPRiD | or not much |
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| 14:41.35 | SerajewelKS | hell php doesn't even have real function references/pointers/delegates/whatever |
| 14:41.36 | rimmele_mnm | hi, here are the infos you need: http://nopaste.martes.de/index.php?id=d0a9e4d6b3 |
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| 14:41.59 | SerajewelKS | at least pre-5.3, i'm not sure if that's how they've implemented lambdas, or if it's like create_function where it returns a string |
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| 14:42.19 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, you mean $foo = function() {...} ? |
| 14:42.42 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: yes. function "references" in PHP used to be strings simply containing the name of the function. |
| 14:43.07 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, i dunno how they implemented it, but it just works: $foo(); |
| 14:43.08 | aaronwinborn | i want to install the 2.1.3 version http://packages.debian.org/sid/ejabberd rather than the 2.0.0 version that i got w/ the default sudo aptitude install. how do i specify that? |
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| 14:43.56 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: what does 'echo $foo' display? |
| 14:44.09 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, no idea, i don't have a php5.3 test machine at hand |
| 14:44.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell aaronwinborn about ssb |
| 14:44.35 | DASPRiD | but don't you mean var_dump($foo); ? |
| 14:44.38 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: right, my point is that it could function sort of like create_function(), which returns a string... that's not a real function reference |
| 14:44.49 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: either will be enlightening |
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| 14:45.30 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, i can tell you in an hour when i'm home ;) |
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| 14:47.35 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, but hey, i can tell you that lambdas and create_function() are totally different ;) |
| 14:47.50 | Devastator | is there a log to check if a default route was added or not? |
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| 14:48.52 | aaronwinborn | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 14:48.55 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: in their syntax and semantics yes, but perhaps not in their implementation |
| 14:48.58 | SerajewelKS | aaronwinborn: np |
| 14:49.03 | DASPRiD | implementationwise, yes |
| 14:49.24 | DASPRiD | where create_function() function calls take 1200ms, lambda equivalent takes 200ms (standard function takes 220ms) |
| 14:49.38 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: there is the "route" command. otherwise you're going to have to be a lot more specific than that -- default route added by what exactly? |
| 14:50.48 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: i'd be interested to know the parameters of those benchmarks, because a function pointer being faster than a (hopefully) static call should never happen |
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| 14:51.21 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, http://paste2.org/p/759914 |
| 14:51.36 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, create_function simply sucks ;) |
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| 14:51.42 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: it depends how far ahead php resolves standard function calls... but in terms of C, a function pointer will always be slower than a static call, because the processor cannot optimize a call through a pointer. |
| 14:52.10 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: i'm not speaking of create_function, i'm speaking of lambdas vs standard. those results indicate either a really shitty benchmark or really shitty optimization in php itself. |
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| 14:52.43 | DASPRiD | lambdas vs standard are about the same |
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| 14:52.49 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, you've seen my paste? |
| 14:53.04 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: yeah, seems they just create a new variable type |
| 14:53.05 | Devastator | SerajewelKS I have a weird problem, a server running debian lenny, during a power loss, will not have internet unless I manually ifdown eth1; ifup eth1, before I do that, I already had ip, but no internet |
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| 14:53.20 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, well, new object type, but yes |
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| 14:53.40 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: it looks like a primitive, not a class |
| 14:53.46 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, btw, we probably should move this discussion to #phpc doesn't really belong here |
| 14:53.48 | Carry | hp thin client t5125 mix debian? |
| 14:54.31 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: does the server obtain its ip address and routes via dhcp? |
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| 14:54.57 | Carry | hp thin client t5125 worx with debian? |
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| 14:55.55 | Devastator | SerajewelKS yes, from an adsl modem |
| 14:56.25 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: perhaps the box is attempting to renew its lease, and if the modem has no power then it's not getting a reply? |
| 14:57.37 | Devastator | SerajewelKS could be, does this would maintain the ip? |
| 14:57.59 | nick_h | what does "{a}" after a package name mean in the output from "aptitude install"? Eg: javascript-common{a} |
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| 14:58.05 | Devastator | SerajewelKS I forgot to say that it's static ip and dhcp lease is really long |
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| 15:01.44 | SerajewelKS | nick_h: it means that package is going to be marked as automatically installed since you didn't specifically request it |
| 15:01.54 | SerajewelKS | nick_h: which means that when no packages depend on it anymore, it will be removed automatically |
| 15:02.25 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: "static ip" and "dhcp" don't go together, unless you mean that the ip you obtain from the server is always the same |
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| 15:02.58 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: it sounds like this machine is on a UPS of some sort? |
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| 15:04.02 | Devastator | SerajewelKS my adsl connection has fixed ip, does this sound better? |
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| 15:04.47 | Devastator | SerajewelKS also yes, it is on a UPS, but this problem happened before with other debian version and without UPS |
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| 15:05.27 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: can you put the modem on the UPS? |
| 15:05.48 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Actually, it's not uncommon to have a static IP configured via DHCP. |
| 15:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Very common to have the IP locked to a specific MAC. |
| 15:06.12 | Devastator | SerajewelKS it's there too, but UPS cannot handle a big power loss, like, a few hours |
| 15:06.13 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: that's roughly what the second part of that sentence said |
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| 15:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | Ok. |
| 15:06.37 | jhutchins_lt | People often don't realize that. |
| 15:06.53 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: so, is the computer finishing powering up before the modem is ready, or what? |
| 15:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: In Mexico, on the other hand, it's almost impossible to obtain a static public IP. |
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| 15:08.27 | Devastator | SerajewelKS that's the thing, I really don't know, because when this problem happens I check eth1 and ip is there |
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| 15:09.40 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: it sounds like the modem knows its ip, but doesn't think it has an internet connection yet, so it's not handing out a default route... that's my guess anyway |
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| 15:10.18 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: if that is the case then it's a problem with that modem and the only thing you can really do is switch to a static configuration on your server |
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| 15:10.58 | Devastator | SerajewelKS I couldn't check if it adds default route after a power loss, but that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 15:11.23 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: then just go with a static config. as long as your IP doesn't change, it will work. |
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| 15:12.10 | Devastator | SerajewelKS if someday I check that and default route is there, I'm gonna have to kill myself, because doesn't make sense |
| 15:12.43 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: it does make sense, it's just the retarded dhcp server on the modem |
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| 15:13.45 | sparr | does unstable have a codename? |
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| 15:14.27 | Titan8990 | sparr: sid, always |
| 15:14.29 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 15:14.29 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:14.56 | sparr | ok, how about testing? |
| 15:15.06 | Titan8990 | !testing |
| 15:15.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 15:15.17 | sparr | squeeze is the current testing? |
| 15:15.25 | sparr | hard to keep up with, thanks |
| 15:15.39 | Titan8990 | sparr: it only changes every few years |
| 15:15.42 | Devastator | SerajewelKS yep, you are probably right because this happened with sarge, etch and now lenny |
| 15:16.00 | Devastator | SerajewelKS I never tried to replace the modem |
| 15:16.02 | sparr | i only encounter not-on-debian-repos projects that package according to codenames every few years :) |
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| 15:16.06 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: just configure the interface statically, you'll save yourself a lot of headache |
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| 15:16.33 | Titan8990 | sparr: you should always configure your sources based on codenames |
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| 15:16.57 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: if you're tracking stable, yes; if you're not, you don't need to |
| 15:17.13 | xok | hello all... |
| 15:17.39 | xok | my fresh Debian x86_64 doesn't see the RAM properly... |
| 15:17.51 | xok | I've got 4GB but the system sees only 2.7... |
| 15:17.56 | sparr | Titan8990: why? then i have to change them. i've been pulling from 'unstable' and 'testing' for somewhere north of a decade |
| 15:18.01 | xok | does anyone know what to do?... |
| 15:18.05 | xok | thanks anyway... |
| 15:18.34 | sparr | having to edit my sources every so often just because the names change would be a PITA (and was, with ubuntu!) |
| 15:18.59 | Titan8990 | sparr: well, dondelelcaro just mentioned it only matters for stable, which is true. If you always want the testing or unstable branch that is fine. You do not want to use "stable" however, or you could upgrade to a new release unexpectidly |
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| 15:19.35 | abrotman | sparr: unless you want to track what will become squeeze |
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| 15:19.42 | abrotman | erm ... Titan8990 |
| 15:19.43 | Rapsodius | continuing my quest for the best dm ever |
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| 15:20.27 | sparr | I am guessing that during the transition time it might make more sense? Did 'squeeze' exist at some point while testing was still using the previous codename? |
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| 15:21.36 | abrotman | sparr: if you were to install testing today, and you really wanted to track squeeze, you would have oyur sources point at 'squeeze' (i think this is the default) .. same with lenny .. But if you knew you always wanted to be on testing or unstable, you would track those |
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| 15:22.08 | abrotman | sparr: in general, most users unless they know better should be tracking the name (lenny/squeeze) |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | sparr: this hpoefully keeps them from having a 'surprise upgrade' when lenny becomees oldstable and squeeze becomes stable |
| 15:22.40 | Rapsodiu_ | gdm is buggy on squeeze, xdm is light as a feather, but is ugly (gdm unthemed is actually nicer) |
| 15:22.58 | Rapsodiu_ | slim lacks shutdown buttons (btw, xdm too) |
| 15:23.01 | abrotman | Rapsodiu_: gdm seems fine for me on a few machines (better than xdm from what i've seen) |
| 15:23.27 | jhutchins_lt | Does Sid have a secondary name? I ask because I have a system that someone else built that lists it's release as squeeze/Sid. |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: unstable is sid |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | always |
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| 15:24.05 | xok | anyone please?... |
| 15:24.12 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I guess what I'm asking is if the current Sid/Unstable has been named for release? |
| 15:24.22 | abrotman | xok: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
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| 15:24.40 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: the release is squeeze/sid mainly because testing and unstable are so closely related, that you can't really tell the difference between a box running testing and a box running sid that hasn't been updated for a while |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: no, sid/unstable are always sid/unstable .. names don't change there |
| 15:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | xok: The rest is probably being reserved for the kernel. |
| 15:24.48 | xok | abrotman: this: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 15:25.01 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: also, the package containing /etc/debian_version doesn't get magically changed when it migrates from unstable to testing |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | xok: and the BIOS sees it all ? |
| 15:25.08 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Ok, so how did this box get squeeze/sid? |
| 15:25.17 | xok | abrotman: yes,it does... |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's the way that file will read until squeeze gets closer to release |
| 15:25.52 | Rapsodius | abrotman: well, actually slim has a way to shutdown/erestart, ut it involves writing halt or reboot as user name and the root password |
| 15:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Ok, so <name>/Sid means "derived from testing"? |
| 15:26.10 | Rapsodius | and unfortunatelly, I am not the only one user |
| 15:26.15 | bfrog | whats the debian arm channel? |
| 15:26.22 | Titan8990 | xok: does dmidecode show all your memory? |
| 15:26.25 | Titan8990 | !arm |
| 15:26.25 | dpkg | somebody said arm was Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 15:26.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it means "derived from testing or unstable" |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_5lenny5/changelog |
| 15:26.28 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 15:26.30 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: ^^^ |
| 15:26.33 | bfrog | oftc? |
| 15:26.38 | bfrog | what the hell is oftc |
| 15:26.44 | Titan8990 | bfrog: /connect irc.oftc.net |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: uhm .. no |
| 15:26.50 | Rapsodius | Btw, some admin read this: Travis_meister_2 is spamming thru /msg |
| 15:26.51 | Titan8990 | bfrog: the official irc network for debian |
| 15:26.55 | abrotman | !tell bfrog about arm |
| 15:27.00 | abrotman | much better ... |
| 15:27.00 | bfrog | sfreenode wasn't good enough? |
| 15:27.02 | xok | Titan8990: I've never used that before... |
| 15:27.03 | wols_ | Titan8990: irssi-isms are bad mkay? |
| 15:27.06 | xok | let me check... |
| 15:27.06 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: as i just said, the package containing /etc/debian_version doesn't get changed when it migrates to testing |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | !tell bfrog about oftc move |
| 15:27.28 | Titan8990 | wols_: that works in xchat too... |
| 15:27.38 | xok | Titan8990: lots of info here.. |
| 15:27.47 | wols_ | I'm using epic you insensitive clod |
| 15:27.48 | xok | how do I shorten this information?.. |
| 15:28.04 | Titan8990 | xok: this is the more popular support channel but all the dev channels are on oftc. /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 15:28.50 | Titan8990 | wols_: really? |
| 15:29.01 | Titan8990 | xok: just throw it in a pastebin |
| 15:29.03 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: are you still confused about that file ? |
| 15:29.21 | _KaszpiR_ | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 15:29.21 | _KaszpiR_ | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:29.21 | _KaszpiR_ | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 15:29.21 | _KaszpiR_ | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
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| 15:29.30 | _KaszpiR_ | aw sry |
| 15:29.34 | _KaszpiR_ | wrong chan |
| 15:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I still don't understand how it got labled squeeze/sid. I wonder what it says in current sid. |
| 15:29.56 | _KaszpiR_ | http://kaszpir.ampaste.net/d117b19e1 |
| 15:30.00 | _KaszpiR_ | any ideas? |
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| 15:30.18 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: that is the correct label for squeeze |
| 15:30.22 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin |
| 15:30.37 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: when squeeze is testing, i would expect it to be squeeze/sid |
| 15:30.44 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it says the same thing .. there's no point in trying to keep that file to say 'squeeze', the packages have to go through sid |
| 15:31.00 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: once squeeze is released, i would expect it to be called squeeze, since that package will be updated specifically for the stable release |
| 15:31.02 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: as squeeze nears release, there will be a version of base-files that gets uploaded that will change that fil |
| 15:31.04 | abrotman | fiole |
| 15:31.07 | abrotman | bleh |
| 15:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | label |
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| 15:31.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, so sid is sid, <name>/sid is testing, and <name> is stable. |
| 15:31.49 | abrotman | no |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | doesn't think this is that hard |
| 15:32.04 | Titan8990 | judd: versions base-files |
| 15:32.06 | judd | base-files -- etch: 4; etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 5lenny5; squeeze: 5.1; sid: 5.2 |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: how is what i said confusing? |
| 15:32.34 | Rapsodius | if its called squeeze/sid it appears both when you're in sid and when you're in squeeze |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | Rapsodius: that makes even less sense! |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: did you paste that yet? |
| 15:33.18 | _KaszpiR_ | no |
| 15:33.28 | _KaszpiR_ | was wondering about increasing apt cahce size |
| 15:33.41 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin |
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| 15:34.14 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: sid and testing are always <testingname>/sid -- ALWAYS |
| 15:34.31 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: because base-files contains the release name, and it moves through unstable into testing |
| 15:34.44 | _KaszpiR_ | http://kaszpir.ampaste.net/d45d3eef3 |
| 15:34.46 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: it would be pointless work to change it simply for the migration from unstable to testing |
| 15:34.50 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, in that case, what is the current <testingname>? |
| 15:34.53 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that file will say "testing/unstable" in both squeeze and sid until we near the release of squeeze as stable, when that time approaches, a new version of the base-files package will get uploaded to sid that say what the release version for squeeze will be (so the file will NOT always say testing/unstable in sid/testing) .. |
| 15:34.57 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: squeeze |
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| 15:35.19 | SerajewelKS | right, so not always, but most of the time |
| 15:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Until squeeze freezes? |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: and then after the release of squeeze (when it becomes stable), a new version of base-files will get uploaded to sid again that will change the string to 'testing/unstable' again |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | and eventually that package will get into the new 'testing' (name not known yet I don't think) |
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| 15:36.51 | SerajewelKS | zurg! |
| 15:36.55 | _KaszpiR_ | abrotman just pasted http://kaszpir.ampaste.net/d45d3eef3 |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: are you more confused now ? |
| 15:37.13 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: why are you mixing etch/lenny/unstable ? |
| 15:37.15 | valdyn | maybe that file and its contents are totallly useless / irrelevant |
| 15:37.16 | xok | Titan8990: here it is: http://pastebin.com/X7qvc2Wq |
| 15:37.21 | jhutchins_lt | I think it would be useful to be able to tell whether a system was installed from testing or unstable, but I believe I understand what current practice is. |
| 15:37.33 | _KaszpiR_ | abrotman cause i was lazy |
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| 15:37.42 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: that's not laziness ... |
| 15:37.42 | rvsjoen | haha |
| 15:37.43 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: thats quite irrelevant too |
| 15:37.49 | _KaszpiR_ | ;D |
| 15:37.50 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: what is your current libc6 and current kernel ? |
| 15:38.03 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: or its not useful information at all |
| 15:38.19 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: unstable and testing are so close that, like i said, it's not really possible to tell (in most scenarios) if a box is running testing or is running unstable but has not been upgraded in a while |
| 15:38.39 | _KaszpiR_ | kernl is old, very old, 2.6.18 |
| 15:38.57 | abrotman | and your libc6 ? |
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| 15:38.59 | _KaszpiR_ | gcc 4.4.3 |
| 15:39.05 | xok | can anyone please help me?... |
| 15:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Which is exactly the question at the root of this matter, a box that was configured for both "unstable" and "squeeze" sources. |
| 15:39.18 | _KaszpiR_ | machine avent been updated for 2 years afair |
| 15:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: It had not been updted in a while. |
| 15:39.33 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: thats pretty much equivalent to a box being just on unstable |
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| 15:40.16 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: unless there is pinning involved, it was running unstable |
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| 15:40.27 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: that is not your libc6 |
| 15:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | xok: Do you have a problem? |
| 15:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | xok: Or do you just not understand what your system is doing? |
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| 15:40.55 | xok | jhutchins_lt: what?... |
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| 15:41.28 | xok | jhutchins_lt: my debian system doesn't see the 4GB ram though it is Debian amd64 version... |
| 15:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | xok: Doesn't see it or doesn't report it as available to the userspace? What did dmidecode say? |
| 15:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | xok: Again, do you have a problem or do you just not understand what's going on? |
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| 15:43.05 | _KaszpiR_ | removed the last ines in sources list |
| 15:43.14 | _KaszpiR_ | and its workin |
| 15:43.32 | xok | jhutchins_lt: well, the box has 4GB ram... but the system reports only 2.7.... here is the dmidecode result: http://pastebin.com/X7qvc2Wq |
| 15:43.46 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 15:43.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 15:44.21 | jhutchins_lt | xok: May I suggest you carry on and see how the system runs? If you are having problems due to lack of RAM that's one thing, but if you're not, why worry? |
| 15:44.23 | orfix | Hi, vlc doesn't play videos, only sounds, (except for ogv), this is the error message from the terminal [00000296] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `avc1'. totem and mplayer works well, i'm using lenny 5.0.4 thanks |
| 15:44.58 | xok | jhutchins_lt: the box has 4GB, I do need all of them.... |
| 15:44.58 | orfix | where avc1 changes according to the video type. |
| 15:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: Have you enabled the multimedia sources? (I don't know that will help, I use mplayer which just works for me when other players are frequently broken.) |
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| 15:45.11 | Titan8990 | xok: pastebin free -m |
| 15:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | xok: Are you having problems with swapping? |
| 15:45.27 | Sale023 | Can someone help me to install cs :S |
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| 15:46.21 | valdyn | Sale023: only after you tell us where you are getting stuck in the documentation |
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| 15:46.43 | xok | Titan8990: here it is: http://pastebin.com/WPFsT9SS |
| 15:46.47 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: here is my sources.list : http://paste.ubuntu.com/410101/ |
| 15:46.50 | Titan8990 | valdyn: assuming cs = counter strike, there probably ins't any documentation |
| 15:46.57 | valdyn | Im sure there is one |
| 15:47.01 | Sale023 | well no where actually |
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| 15:47.12 | Sale023 | cause i know server administration just don't know where is problem with cs.. |
| 15:47.21 | valdyn | and theres 190000 google hits |
| 15:47.22 | Sale023 | i installed wine gcc openssl liv-dev build-essential |
| 15:47.23 | ziarkaen | How much space does a default (non-X) install take? |
| 15:47.29 | Sale023 | lib* |
| 15:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell orfix about multimedia |
| 15:47.46 | Sale023 | !tell |
| 15:47.56 | Titan8990 | xok: it is missing... but you have used hardly no RAM |
| 15:48.12 | Sale023 | !tell Sale023 about gcc |
| 15:48.16 | xok | Titan8990: so, what can we do?... |
| 15:48.25 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: i think it's activated because i have this line on my sources.list : deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free |
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| 15:48.39 | Titan8990 | xok: pastebin dmesg output |
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| 15:48.50 | Sale023 | help? |
| 15:49.04 | valdyn | Sale023: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=howto+steam, start with 3, if thats your game |
| 15:50.10 | xok | Titan8990: here are last few lines: http://pastebin.com/TYwyS3Gu |
| 15:50.13 | Sale023 | thanks |
| 15:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: Ah, yes, there it is at the bottom. |
| 15:50.37 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: Sorry, don't know what else to suggest for VLC then. |
| 15:50.44 | Titan8990 | xok: I am more interested in the top half |
| 15:50.55 | Titan8990 | xok: that just displays the same tcp warning over and over... |
| 15:50.55 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: thanks, no problem |
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| 15:51.47 | xok | Titan8990: same with: dmesg | head |
| 15:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | orfix: I can suggest that you try mplayer. |
| 15:52.47 | orfix | jhutchins_lt: it works well with player ;) |
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| 15:52.58 | Titan8990 | xok: your dmesg output *only* contains those TCP warnings? |
| 15:53.31 | xok | Titan8990: yes, nothing more... |
| 15:53.38 | Titan8990 | xok: also... are you getting DOS'ed right now? |
| 15:53.46 | ziarkaen | Do Debian packages mess with /srv? I seem to remember lighttp having /var/www as default rootdir. |
| 15:53.57 | xok | yes, I think I am... |
| 15:54.00 | Rapsodius | How do I fix funny fonts on my browser? |
| 15:54.06 | xok | that's why I need those RAMs... |
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| 15:54.10 | Titan8990 | ziarkaen: apt-file search /srv |
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| 15:54.37 | Titan8990 | xok: but your not even coming close to using up what is available... not that I would stand for it to be missing either |
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| 15:54.52 | Titan8990 | xok: but adding RAM is not a way for preventing DOS attacks |
| 15:54.57 | Rapsodius | I mean, it replaces fonts |
| 15:55.05 | Titan8990 | xok: what about /var/log/dmesg? |
| 15:55.11 | ziarkaen | Titan8990, I don't have a Debian system. This is a question about partitioning because i'm installing. |
| 15:55.23 | xok | Titan8990: yes, I do know, but I have got that ram, I want to use it... |
| 15:55.50 | manixor | How can I install my SD card reader? On lspci I got this: 1a:04.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) 1a:04.3 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller |
| 15:55.50 | Titan8990 | ziarkaen: no, nothing |
| 15:55.55 | ziarkaen | OK thanks. |
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| 15:56.10 | Titan8990 | xok: does /var/log/dmesg contain any information? |
| 15:56.24 | wols_ | manixor: lspci -nn |
| 15:56.33 | Sale023 | wine msiexec /i /path/to/HL2/steam.msi |
| 15:56.37 | Sale023 | What this mean? |
| 15:56.56 | wols_ | it means what it says: let window run msiexec to install steam.msi |
| 15:56.57 | Titan8990 | Sale023: man wine; man msiexec |
| 15:56.59 | xok | Titan8990: yes, here it is: http://pastebin.com/1kKy5Rrc |
| 15:57.02 | wols_ | let WINE... |
| 15:57.11 | wols_ | Titan8990: man msiexec is a funny one :) |
| 15:57.28 | Sale023 | -.- |
| 15:57.31 | Sale023 | I already have wine |
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| 15:57.54 | wols_ | Sale023: hopefully |
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| 15:59.18 | manixor | wols_ This is what I get on lspci -nn | grep SD : 1a:04.2 Mass storage controller [0180]: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) [104c:803b] 1a:04.3 SD Host controller [0805]: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller [104c:803c] |
| 15:59.35 | Rapsodius | strange, I get low keyboard responsiveness on tty1 . ideas? |
| 16:00.17 | wols_ | ,pciid 104c:803b |
| 16:00.22 | judd | [104c:803b] is '5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)' from 'Texas Instruments' with kernel module 'tifm_7xx1' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=104c:803b |
| 16:00.53 | wols_ | Rapsodius: high cpu usage? |
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| 16:01.11 | Sale023 | ok i do all.. and get error |
| 16:01.11 | Sale023 | ./hlds_run -game cstrike +ip ip.de.internet +sv_lan 1 -nomaster +maxplayers 18 +map de_dust2 |
| 16:01.11 | Sale023 | Auto detecting CPU |
| 16:01.11 | Sale023 | Using Pentium II Optimised binary. |
| 16:01.11 | Sale023 | Auto-restarting the server on crash |
| 16:01.12 | Sale023 | Error:/usr/hlds/engine_i686.so: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual |
| 16:01.12 | Sale023 | Unable to load engine, image is corrupt. |
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| 16:01.39 | SerajewelKS | i didn't know #debian supported valve software! |
| 16:02.26 | Titan8990 | xok: that is the entire file? |
| 16:02.55 | xok | Titan8990: no, but a huge piece... |
| 16:03.01 | Rapsodius | wols_: not quite, and keyboard seems doing fine on other ttys, its only tty1 that doesn't get some key press events |
| 16:03.17 | Titan8990 | xok: its missing the first 5 seconds of bootup |
| 16:03.34 | xok | Titan8990: ok, let me paste the file once again.. |
| 16:03.57 | ziarkaen | Rapsodius, Don't you have like 11 others..? :) Just use TTY2 |
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| 16:05.00 | Rapsodius | ziarkaen: why? I want to fix it |
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| 16:05.29 | Rapsodius | tty1 is just an AÃlt+let arrow away from X |
| 16:05.40 | Rapsodius | tty1 is just an Alt+left arrow away from X |
| 16:05.55 | xok | Titan8990: here are the first 50 lines: http://pastebin.com/061BrYDF |
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| 16:07.22 | jhutchins_lt | What does xulrunner actually do? |
| 16:07.32 | Titan8990 | xok: why are you making this so difficult? that is still missing a lot of information between it and your last pastebin |
| 16:08.07 | xok | Titan8990: 'cause I'm pasting it from the remote machine... |
| 16:08.21 | xok | I'll copy that file from remote to local machine... |
| 16:08.23 | xok | sorry... |
| 16:08.26 | Titan8990 | xok: pastebinit /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:08.33 | Titan8990 | !pastebinit |
| 16:08.33 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 16:08.44 | miasma | i noticed a (possible) bug in texlive. the texdoctk tries to read /usr/share/doc/latex-beamer/beameruserguide.pdf, but only /usr/share/doc/latex-beamer/beameruserguide.pdf.gz exists. does anyone know if this is on purpose. i thought the .gz packed pdfs are a debian convention |
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| 16:09.52 | Titan8990 | miasma: is not just pdfs, just files in /usr/share/doc over a greater size and are not HTML |
| 16:10.17 | miasma | Titan8990: right. but it breaks the viewer application |
| 16:10.42 | xok | Titan8990: here is the entire file: http://pastebin.com/CfgEY7Es |
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| 16:11.18 | miasma | Titan8990: apparently I should open a bug report |
| 16:11.44 | miasma | possible solution is to update the links in the viewer. that would fix it |
| 16:11.56 | Sale023 | Something is wrong with server i install a lot of new things |
| 16:12.01 | Sale023 | and get an error |
| 16:12.14 | Sale023 | apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev |
| 16:12.21 | Sale023 | This i installed.... and still error |
| 16:12.37 | wols_ | !tell Sale023 about errors |
| 16:13.12 | wols_ | judd: it runs XUL apps. XUL being the "toolkit" iceweasel uses to display stuff |
| 16:13.17 | wols_ | among other things, itself |
| 16:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: I presume that was to me. |
| 16:14.25 | Sale023 | error http://pastebin.com/TTJLpZeE |
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| 16:14.38 | Sale023 | but when i type ps x no where i don't seee wine started.. :S |
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| 16:15.14 | Sale023 | wols_ ? |
| 16:15.57 | xok | Titan8990: anything?.. |
| 16:16.30 | wols_ | Sale023: like I told you this morning: check via ldd what is needed |
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| 16:16.41 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
| 16:16.51 | Sale023 | can u just little bit tell me what to do :S |
| 16:16.53 | Sale023 | ldd what? |
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| 16:17.17 | v1k1ng0 | a question please ... when I enter in a webpage with flash, flash is always on top ... how can I change that? |
| 16:17.45 | v1k1ng0 | I can't see submenus ... because flash is on top |
| 16:18.12 | Sale023 | Is that server requriments? |
| 16:18.27 | d1b | good morning |
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| 16:18.39 | d1b | wwwwo what are you ldding ? |
| 16:18.48 | wols_ | Sale023: ldd is a program. man ldd |
| 16:19.00 | d1b | wols_: do note that ldd isn't safe to use at times |
| 16:19.02 | jelly | wols_: ldd is a script! :-P |
| 16:19.08 | d1b | exactly |
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| 16:19.30 | d1b | http://www.catonmat.net/blog/ldd-arbitrary-code-execution/ |
| 16:19.33 | Sale023 | yeah on where to use it? |
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| 16:19.59 | Sale023 | ldd -print |
| 16:19.59 | Sale023 | ldd: unrecognized option `-print' |
| 16:20.01 | Sale023 | Wtf? |
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| 16:20.33 | Sale023 | ldd - print shared library dependencies |
| 16:20.40 | Sale023 | not wokr -.- i am in usr/hlds dir |
| 16:20.43 | wols_ | *sigh* |
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| 16:20.49 | d1b | dpkg: facepalm |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | d1b: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 16:21.11 | wols_ | that one is almost qotd worthy |
| 16:21.38 | d1b | almost |
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| 16:23.48 | f00bar80 | my desktop manager (gnome) loads too slowly , takes like 4+ minutes to load, i checked my /var/log/messages and here's a capture http://pastebin.com/wMRBUByT, i'm on debian lenny |
| 16:24.03 | f00bar80 | don't know if any other i have to check |
| 16:24.12 | f00bar80 | it's only slow on startup |
| 16:24.40 | d1b | # |
| 16:24.41 | d1b | [ 11.765037] ACPI Warning (processor_throttling-0843): Invalid throttling state, reset [20090320] |
| 16:24.44 | d1b | just a guess |
| 16:25.09 | d1b | maybe look for a bios update |
| 16:25.13 | f00bar80 | d1b, yea but don't know what does that mean or how to fix it |
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| 16:27.10 | Titan8990 | xok: well, I can see where it only picks up a portion of your RAM |
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| 16:27.30 | Titan8990 | xok: there is a BIOS error right before it, but I do not have suggestion on how to proceed |
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| 16:28.17 | f00bar80 | d1b, this happened after i reinstalled gnome |
| 16:28.20 | xok | Titan8990: ok, thanks anyway... |
| 16:28.21 | Titan8990 | xok: did you hand edit your menu.lst? |
| 16:28.44 | xok | Titan8990: I don't remember, why?... |
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| 16:29.47 | Titan8990 | xok: the update-grub script that is used for generating a menu.lst uses drive UUIDs, your uses the device name |
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| 16:30.29 | Carry | hp thin client t5125 worx with debian? |
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| 16:30.38 | karlpinc | Does the debian installer have the pci db, i.e. does it support lspci -nn? |
| 16:30.41 | Titan8990 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.45 | xok | Titan8990: yeah, maybe I've edited it... don't actually remember... |
| 16:30.56 | wols_ | !tell karlpinc about cd content |
| 16:31.01 | Titan8990 | Carry: just about anything that can PXE boot will work with ltsp |
| 16:31.37 | karlpinc | wols_: That will tell me what's available when I boot into rescue mode (or just use the console from the installer?) |
| 16:31.45 | Carry | newbie Titan8990 ... :) |
| 16:32.04 | wols_ | that tells you what is on the CD |
| 16:32.12 | Titan8990 | xok: actually, let me see /proc/meminfo |
| 16:32.25 | karlpinc | wols_: I don't want to know about the available packages, I want to know what's in the runtime. |
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| 16:32.35 | Titan8990 | Carry: are you talking about buying a thin client for your house that will connect to a debian terminal server? |
| 16:33.14 | Carry | Titan8990: buying used t5125, and install debian on it, terminal... |
| 16:33.32 | xok | Titan8990: here it is: http://pastebin.com/yYEkhVVt |
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| 16:33.43 | Carry | playing with server and shell... |
| 16:33.56 | Carry | ssh, screen irssi |
| 16:34.02 | Titan8990 | Carry: a thin client is only meant to connect to a server, not run its own OS |
| 16:34.15 | Carry | :( |
| 16:34.22 | karlpinc | Carry: If all you want is a green screen you can surely run debian. |
| 16:34.23 | Titan8990 | well, it runs its own OS, but its os is typically limited to making remote connections to a server |
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| 16:35.25 | karlpinc | Carry: The only question is how well it will run and how much will fit. I've installed lenny on a 180Mhz Pentium with 48Mb of ram. But I don't recommend it. It takes minutes to boot. |
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| 16:36.02 | karlpinc | Carry: The trick is to install only the bare minimum and then use aptitude to install whatever you like after rebooting from the installer. |
| 16:36.04 | Carry | karlpinc: is just for playing/learning.. |
| 16:36.15 | Titan8990 | xok: is this actually an amd64 machine or an i686 with a amd64 kernel? |
| 16:36.30 | karlpinc | Carry: Should work. How much ram? |
| 16:36.30 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment |
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| 16:36.39 | xok | Titan8990: actual amd64 system... |
| 16:36.44 | xok | with its own kernel... |
| 16:36.59 | xok | the CD was Debian amd64 netinstall... |
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| 16:37.05 | Carry | karlpinc: HP Compaq t5125 400MHz 32/128 |
| 16:37.28 | karlpinc | Carry: What's 32/128? |
| 16:38.18 | Titan8990 | xok: this is a fresh install? |
| 16:38.24 | Carry | memory... |
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| 16:38.51 | xok | Titan8990: not so fresh, almost two months... maybe even more... |
| 16:38.59 | kla | what are the permissions of /tmp on a default lenny install? I think I messed something up |
| 16:39.06 | Titan8990 | xok: your a kernel revision behind |
| 16:39.11 | karlpinc | Carry: 32 what of what and 128 what of what? Units are what? Hardware is what? |
| 16:39.14 | Titan8990 | xok: has it always had this issue? |
| 16:39.24 | xok | yes, always... |
| 16:39.24 | khaije|amalt | perhaps someone could help me with this... i've just added a bt keyboard and mouse and all's well except that the keyboard doesn't recognize the 'shift' 'alt' 'ctrl' or 'meta' keys... is there a way to automatically have this properly set and if not what controls this sort of function... |
| 16:39.47 | xok | exactly after installation too... |
| 16:39.52 | Carry | 32 flash memory 128 |
| 16:40.54 | karlpinc | Carry: 128 RAM? Does it have any disk or do you have disk elsewhere on the network it could mount with nfs/etc.? |
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| 16:41.01 | Titan8990 | xok: try the backports kernel.. usually only used for newer drivers, but I have no other ideas |
| 16:41.22 | karlpinc | Carry: 128Mb of ram is enough. |
| 16:41.39 | Carry | karlpinc: want to use usbstick |
| 16:41.41 | xok | Titan8990: ok, thanks anyway... |
| 16:41.45 | karlpinc | Carry: That should work. |
| 16:41.53 | xok | I don't think it will work... |
| 16:42.01 | xok | but thanks anyway... |
| 16:42.04 | karlpinc | Carry: (Although I've not tried it.) |
| 16:42.32 | karlpinc | Carry: Sounds totally feasible. Have a cd for installation or do you need to do something else? |
| 16:42.42 | karlpinc | Carry: A cd drive that is. |
| 16:43.01 | Carry | no cddrive... |
| 16:43.07 | Carry | maybe netinstall.. |
| 16:43.32 | Titan8990 | xok: either way... you should install your security updates |
| 16:43.47 | karlpinc | Carry: You can install from a usb stick or pxeboot. But if you're new to linux/unix setting up a pxeboot environment might be a project all by itself. |
| 16:44.12 | karlpinc | loves pxeboot installs |
| 16:44.37 | karlpinc | Carry: Read the install manual at debian.org and figure out how you want to proceed. |
| 16:45.06 | Carry | thank you... karlpinc and Titan8990 .. |
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| 16:46.45 | karlpinc | Carry: Good luck. I don't know the issues when installing from usbstick to usbstick, you will want to take a little care when it comes to having the root filesystem properly identified. Use of uuid or a filesystem label is probably called for. I don't recall if this is the default with a new install but I think so.... |
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| 16:48.22 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i don't think it is |
| 16:49.48 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I seem to recall assinging filesystem labels and having them wind up in fstab. I could be wrong. I suppose the easy way to find out is to try it. The hard way is to look at the changelog for the installer. |
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| 16:51.32 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I think maybe I'm thinking of lvm names, in which case you're probably right and I'm wrong. |
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| 16:55.31 | ziarkaen | Is it best to shutdown with halt or shutdown or poweroff? |
| 16:55.43 | azeem | best for what? |
| 16:56.14 | ziarkaen | best for the system. |
| 16:56.42 | kla | could someone please quickly tell me the permissions of /tmp and /var/tmp on a default lenny install please |
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| 16:58.10 | lindi- | kla: the command "sudo deboostrap lenny /tmp/lenny" installs lenny to directory /tmp/lenny -- you can take a look at that :) |
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| 16:58.27 | manixor | What media player do you use? |
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| 17:00.10 | kla | lindi: why not tell me |
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| 17:00.18 | lindi- | kla: because i don't remember |
| 17:01.24 | kla | lindi: what are your settings now |
| 17:01.37 | wols_ | kla: for /tmp it should be 1777 |
| 17:01.51 | lindi- | kla: i'm not at default lenny installation |
| 17:02.01 | kla | lindi: i know |
| 17:02.22 | kla | wols_: strangely I have 0755 |
| 17:02.54 | wols_ | strangely, you have fucked up your debian |
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| 17:03.15 | kla | not really |
| 17:03.22 | Carry | wols_: 1777? not 777? |
| 17:03.37 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:03.38 | valdyn | Carry: do you want everyone to be able to rm -r /tmp ? |
| 17:03.56 | Carry | newbie... |
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| 17:05.06 | kla | well as long as i am not having any issues i would consider 755 more secure than 1777 |
| 17:05.20 | Carry | karlpinc: Titan8990: |
| 17:05.22 | Carry | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_SuccessStories |
| 17:05.33 | kla | might have something to do with me not having any users beside root |
| 17:05.41 | Carry | t5125 is there.. |
| 17:06.02 | wols_ | kla: you are mistaken |
| 17:06.06 | valdyn | kla: if disfunctional means secure to you |
| 17:06.32 | kla | disfunctional in respect to what |
| 17:06.47 | wols_ | in respect to its needed use |
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| 17:08.01 | valdyn | I suppose gnome and kde would completely break with this |
| 17:08.15 | valdyn | oh, and ssh likely |
| 17:08.41 | valdyn | ( unless ssh has more privilegues than it needs at that point ) |
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| 17:09.11 | kla | well sshd runs fine |
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| 17:09.19 | kla | o0 |
| 17:09.26 | valdyn | mind the "d" |
| 17:09.48 | kombucha | what does all ????????'s for an ls -l ususally indicate? (also how to correct?) |
| 17:09.59 | valdyn | ah, i think it breaks ssh-agent only |
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| 17:10.20 | GaRaGeD | hi, does anybody knows how to correct this problem on a package build ? "dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" |
| 17:10.22 | d3x | kombucha, usually broken FS |
| 17:10.32 | kombucha | ack |
| 17:10.37 | valdyn | kombucha: it means your file name contains characters values which have no corresponding character to display |
| 17:10.45 | valdyn | kombucha: could be japanese file names |
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| 17:11.08 | d3x | also - some script kiddie could break via ftpd and create files with characters that your terminal can't display |
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| 17:12.40 | d3x | kombucha, are those question marks placed where file/dir privileges should be? |
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| 17:12.48 | d3x | or file name? |
| 17:12.51 | rdg | are there any e17 packages in stable yet? or testing? |
| 17:13.01 | valdyn | judd: versions e17 |
| 17:13.02 | judd | e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.063-1 |
| 17:13.24 | rdg | is sid testing? |
| 17:13.30 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 17:13.30 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:13.37 | kombucha | valdyn: it only happens when I move this directory |
| 17:14.05 | rdg | thanks (sorry, I'm sitting in a fresh net-install using ircii and lynx trying to figure out what I want to do next.. sid is not on the list) |
| 17:14.27 | kla | debootstrap doesnt change anything inside the system except install itself to the folder specified right? |
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| 17:14.30 | valdyn | kombucha: to a filesystem that doesnt support unix permissions? |
| 17:14.40 | kombucha | no, to the same filesystem |
| 17:14.50 | valdyn | weird |
| 17:14.52 | kombucha | from home to var which are on the same partition |
| 17:15.30 | d3x | i would check permissions for parent directory |
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| 17:15.43 | d3x | also, check ls -l as root |
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| 17:25.51 | Devastator | does a dhcp lease survive reboots? |
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| 17:27.08 | Titan8990 | Devastator: no, but your dhcp server might reserve that address until the lease period expires incase the client reconnects |
| 17:27.24 | Titan8990 | Devastator: as far as the client is concerned, no |
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| 17:29.50 | Devastator | Titan8990 I'm still thinking of my problem: I have a ADSL plan with fixed ip, this ip is inside adsl's modem dhcp server, when a power loss occur and my debian router comes back it has the ip set up but no internet.. I have to ifdown;ifup the interface connected to the adsl modem for it to work |
| 17:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: The client usually stores the last known address and requests it specifically from the server, as opposed to a general request. |
| 17:31.42 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: If the initial request for the old IP is refused, it is supposed to follow with a general request. This has been known to fail. |
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| 17:32.15 | fastputty | hello when i tried to send a root email using mail -v root, i got some error: etc_mailname: Unrouteable address |
| 17:32.43 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt let's suppose the adsl modem is not ready yet, could the debian router have the ip set up without the adsl modem being ready? |
| 17:33.23 | niklaswe | I dont really understand this snmp bugs.. when i reading on bugs.debian.org it says it will works with packages in non-free and contrib.. i have install the packages and got the same resulted... system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system) |
| 17:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: If the system is configured to use DHCP and does not receive a valid DHCP reply, the interface will remain unconfigured and the client will eventually time out. |
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| 17:34.22 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt so it's contacting adsl modem, getting the ip, but something still wrong.. |
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| 17:34.24 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: If you really have to have the interface up whether it gets an address or not, you can use a static IP that's valid for the network, as long as DHCP doesn't assign that address to someone else - which it might do if your system doesn't use it via DHCP. |
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| 17:34.32 | rdg | the debian .. 'versions'.. go stable->testing->unstable right? |
| 17:34.56 | azeem | rdg: please rephrase your question |
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| 17:35.09 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt it's an adsl modem with fixed ip via dhcp |
| 17:35.17 | Devastator | fixed public ip |
| 17:35.24 | Devastator | not routed |
| 17:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: This happens on my network when the main server goes down, I have to restart networking on the clients to be able to reach it. |
| 17:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: It may have something to do with arp and/or the routing table. |
| 17:36.09 | rdg | azeem - as packages are introduced into debian.. they go through expiremental, unstable, then testing, then stable right? |
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| 17:36.25 | azeem | experimental is optional |
| 17:36.45 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt known bug or something? |
| 17:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | rdg: They don't necessarily get placed in stable either, testing becomes stable. |
| 17:36.49 | azeem | but for regular packages, yes, they go into unstabe, and (hopefully) transition to testing from |
| 17:36.53 | azeem | there |
| 17:37.03 | rdg | i'm trying to figure out if I want to be running squeeze or sid. im' pretty sure squeeze |
| 17:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: I don't know of a specific bug, just a general symptom. |
| 17:37.06 | azeem | whether they end up in stable depends on whether they are in testing by the time of the release |
| 17:37.07 | abrotman | rdg: not quite .. they go unstable->testing, and when testing is released, it happens as a whole, not like the unstable->testing trickle |
| 17:37.18 | azeem | rdg: try stable first |
| 17:37.24 | rdg | stable's version of lua is too old |
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| 17:37.29 | Administrator | hey people |
| 17:37.33 | azeem | but you certainly don't want unstable |
| 17:37.40 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt I might try to debug this on saturday.. it's so annoying |
| 17:37.45 | azeem | rdg: maybe backports.org has a newer one |
| 17:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: You could probably set up a script to handle it. |
| 17:38.10 | abrotman | rdg: all the versions are pretty much the same |
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| 17:38.16 | rdg | i'll check it out. i'm stuck in console in a new net-install |
| 17:38.25 | abrotman | rdg: which version of lua do you want ? |
| 17:38.34 | Guest79887 | I am trying to boot my debian install which is on an external disk now due to internal disk failure, but having issues creating a boot cd. How can I boot that system up? |
| 17:38.56 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 during power up? heh |
| 17:39.03 | abrotman | rdg: i see lua 4.0, 5.0 and 5.1 in lenny |
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| 17:40.28 | rdg | 5.1 is what I need |
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| 17:40.53 | rdg | can you point me at the url that has the info for getting backports into my sources.list ? navigating their website in lynx is.. troublesome |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | rdg: you don't need them, lenny already has 5.1 |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | judd: versions lua5.1 |
| 17:41.35 | judd | lua5.1 -- etch: 5.1.1-2; lenny: 5.1.3-1; sid: 5.1.4-5; squeeze: 5.1.4-5 |
| 17:41.41 | abrotman | even etch has it |
| 17:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: You could set the interface as non-auto so it doesn't come up until you bring it up, then watch the process. You should see messages about enabling the interface at boot and in dmesg. |
| 17:42.10 | fastputty | omeone help me out with exim4 please |
| 17:42.12 | rdg | nm found it |
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| 17:42.40 | lesser | May I ask is it possible to trans from backport to testing? |
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| 17:43.08 | abrotman | rdg: you don't need backports |
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| 17:43.20 | abrotman | lesser: it's a little more dicey, but usually works |
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| 17:44.39 | xover | can someone help me boot to external disk? |
| 17:44.45 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt strange thing is that when I reboot debian server while adsl modem is still powered on, no problem, shut down too, it only occurs during abrupt power loss |
| 17:45.00 | lesser | abrotman: thanks, I will try backport after squzze release |
| 17:45.14 | Titan8990 | fastputty: ask your real question and someone might |
| 17:45.33 | rdg | does backports have a package search? |
| 17:46.22 | Titan8990 | rdg: on the backports.org website, yes |
| 17:46.28 | Titan8990 | rdg: its just like packages.debian.org |
| 17:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: Sounds like you could use a cheap UPS. |
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| 17:47.39 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt it's there, but can't handle a 5-minute power loss... |
| 17:47.42 | Devastator | grr |
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| 17:47.48 | Devastator | frustrating |
| 17:48.05 | abrotman | rdg: why are you trying to use backports? |
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| 17:48.40 | f00bar80 | my desktop manager (gnome) loads too slowly , takes like 4+ minutes to load, i checked my /var/log/messages and here's a capture http://pastebin.com/wMRBUByT, i'm on debian lenny |
| 17:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: Hack a car battery into it? |
| 17:49.00 | Titan8990 | that paste link is bad |
| 17:49.17 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt nope.. 12v/7A battery |
| 17:49.42 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/b52txsPU |
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| 17:50.54 | Skeeter- | How can i wake on lan a windows computer? |
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| 17:51.29 | abrotman | Skeeter-: etherwake |
| 17:51.31 | rdg | ok I got another problem. i installed backports lua5.1 .. but ldconfig -v isn't reporting it and a packages ./configure isn't finding it either |
| 17:51.32 | JPT | isn't wake on lan a bios feature? :> |
| 17:51.37 | abrotman | or oddly .. wakeonlan |
| 17:51.37 | Skeeter- | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | JPT: i assume he's already enabled in the bios .. |
| 17:52.02 | JPT | mh |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | JPT: i think he's asking how to wake one up that has it enabled |
| 17:52.49 | rdg | aptitude says the package is installed though |
| 17:53.30 | azeem | rdg: then you're missing some development package, maybe |
| 17:53.43 | azeem | rdg: also, we repeatedly told you you don't need backports.org for lua-5.1 |
| 17:53.56 | Titan8990 | judd: versions lua-5.1 |
| 17:53.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lua-5.1' was found. |
| 17:53.58 | Titan8990 | judd: versions lua |
| 17:53.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lua' was found. |
| 17:54.09 | azeem | Titan8990: ? |
| 17:54.14 | azeem | please /msg the bot |
| 17:54.18 | rdg | deb stable only has lua50 and lua40 |
| 17:54.29 | Titan8990 | azeem: well, I didn't expect to fail stwice |
| 17:54.33 | rdg | lua50 is actually lua 5.0.3 |
| 17:54.44 | azeem | rdg: it's lua5.1 |
| 17:54.47 | azeem | not lua51 |
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| 17:55.10 | rdg | hm. how come apt-get didn't report that when I tried to install just "lua".. it only reported lua50 and lua40 |
| 17:55.11 | Titan8990 | rdg: it also appears that its not something that has been backported |
| 17:55.16 | azeem | 19:39 < abrotman> judd: versions lua5.1 |
| 17:55.16 | azeem | 19:39 < judd> lua5.1 -- etch: 5.1.1-2; lenny: 5.1.3-1; sid: 5.1.4-5; squeeze: 5.1.4-5 |
| 17:55.27 | Titan8990 | rdg: because "lua" isn't the package name |
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| 17:56.35 | Simon_DK | Hi |
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| 17:57.45 | rdg | ok so liblua5.1-0 and lua5.1 are the relevent package names |
| 17:58.14 | jhutchins_lt | Looking for confirmation or denial of a problem with device permissions in cups when using a parallel printer on a clean lenny install. Has anybody tried this? |
| 17:58.20 | abrotman | would think installing 'lua5.1' would be sufficient |
| 17:58.35 | Titan8990 | , depends lua5.1 |
| 17:58.36 | judd | lua5.1 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libreadline5 (>= 5.2). |
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| 18:00.36 | jhutchins | lindi-: You around? |
| 18:00.39 | rdg | also needed liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 18:00.46 | jhamlin | is there a proper place to store WPA-E certificates? |
| 18:00.46 | rdg | (just in case anyone else ever has this issue) |
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| 18:04.20 | jhutchins | judd: versions cups |
| 18:04.22 | judd | cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny7; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; squeeze: 1.4.2-4; sid: 1.4.2-10 |
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| 18:06.54 | krabador | AMD64 images doesn't works for core2duo? |
| 18:07.47 | Titan8990 | krabador: should for most |
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| 18:08.35 | krabador | Titan8990, i tried one, and i had kernel panic at boot |
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| 18:08.59 | krabador | later the grub screen |
| 18:09.11 | d3x | Titan8990, "most"? any confirmed cases when it does not work? |
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| 18:10.28 | krabador | d3x, then my kernel panic can be some other thing... |
| 18:10.52 | d3x | krabador, i would say it most likely is some other thing |
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| 18:12.30 | sevenop | krabador: I agree with d3x. It's something else. I haven't checked intel's site to confirm, but I'm pretty sure all core2duo procs will run the amd64 image. |
| 18:12.31 | sparr | Is there a way to get gnome to tell me everything about my clipboard? contents, type of contents, metadata, everything? |
| 18:12.39 | scientes | how do i build a already source package on amd64 for armel? |
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| 18:15.57 | krabador | by the way, if the images don't works, i can't run in grub, right? |
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| 18:16.46 | jelly-home | scientes: emulation? |
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| 18:17.20 | scientes | cross |
| 18:17.26 | scientes | how do i cross build |
| 18:17.42 | jelly-home | I mean, emulation might be the easier way |
| 18:17.46 | scientes | really |
| 18:18.07 | jelly-home | just guessing wildly here |
| 18:18.09 | luminoso | how can i turn on off startup init.d services? |
| 18:18.11 | scientes | emdebian lenny its broken to install build-essential |
| 18:18.17 | scientes | you have to fandangle it |
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| 18:18.53 | km | what is lightweight images viewing app? |
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| 18:18.58 | jelly-home | scientes: I tried to cross-build sparc on i386 a few years back and it was very painful |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | is that the word you would use ? |
| 18:19.44 | abrotman | km: eog and feh |
| 18:19.51 | km | thns |
| 18:20.03 | jelly-home | scientes: in comparison, firing up qemu-system-arm with a ready image might be a simpler if theoretically much slower task |
| 18:20.15 | jelly-home | xv! |
| 18:20.18 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:20.34 | scientes | hmm |
| 18:20.43 | scientes | armel cross is suppose to be well supported |
| 18:20.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: start an image viewer war? |
| 18:20.54 | scientes | http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crossdev.html |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: fspot is overkill! |
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| 18:21.19 | jelly-home | yes. yes it is. |
| 18:22.04 | km | damn, what's SaultStampede messaging to sell me some bras. i don't need a bras, haha... |
| 18:22.34 | scientes | what is a good digital camera image manager? |
| 18:22.37 | scientes | that isn't f-spot |
| 18:22.40 | scientes | cause i dont do mono |
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| 18:23.02 | amphi | scientes: gthumb perhaps |
| 18:23.18 | abrotman | doesn't that use some other programming standard? |
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| 18:27.25 | sobersabre | hi. I have Atheros AR8131 card and I want to use it with Debian Stable (5.0) is it possible ? |
| 18:27.50 | sobersabre | if yes... where do I browse ? |
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| 18:28.08 | jelly-home | !wireless |
| 18:28.08 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:28.59 | dclarke | pardon me, I have .deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, how do I install them ? |
| 18:29.23 | sobersabre | jelly-home: are you talking to me ? |
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| 18:29.41 | sobersabre | !atheros |
| 18:29.41 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523> or <ar9271> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 18:30.14 | sobersabre | !atl1c |
| 18:30.14 | dpkg | atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet controllers (AR8131, AR8132), used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline 4810T, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.30. Driver available in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <proposed-updates>. For support of these devices during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and use lenny-custom-0116. |
| 18:30.42 | jelly-home | sobersabre: that was intended for you, yes. After browsing the wiki link, you can "/msg dpkg foo" the bot for the interesting stuff not to swamp the channel much |
| 18:30.46 | sobersabre | !proposed-updates |
| 18:30.46 | dpkg | proposed-updates are intended fixes for the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions, which require extensive testing before being accepted (see <point releases>). Ask me about <errata> to install. http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/resources#s4.6.4 http://wiki.debian.org/StableProposedUpdates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html |
| 18:30.52 | SerajewelKS | !tell sobersabre about msg the bot |
| 18:30.58 | newbie | hai all..now i am using kde older version in Debian lenny 5.0.1 and i want to upgrade it to kde4.4. can anyone help how to do it? |
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| 18:31.11 | dclarke | let me try again, in english: There are these weird files called foo-config_0.64.0ubuntu1_i386.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and they are Debian binary package (format 2.0). Great. How do I install that? |
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| 18:31.24 | SerajewelKS | ,versions kde-core |
| 18:31.25 | Titan8990 | newbie: you can not if you intend to continue running stable |
| 18:31.25 | judd | kde-core -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 18:31.50 | jelly-home | dclarke: it sounds as if you want to ask #ubuntu about that! |
| 18:31.57 | dclarke | no .. not really |
| 18:31.59 | SerajewelKS | ,versions kdelibs5 |
| 18:32.00 | judd | kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; sid: 4:4.3.4-3; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-3; experimental: 4:4.4.2-1 |
| 18:32.07 | dclarke | because it say "Debian binary package (format 2.0)" |
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| 18:32.30 | jelly-home | dclarke: yes, the format of the file is shared. |
| 18:32.40 | dclarke | oh to heck with it .. I'll go back to Solaris |
| 18:32.44 | MarkB1 | newbie: probably best to upgrade to Squeeze w/KDE4 ... http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kde@lists.debian.org/msg29753.html |
| 18:32.44 | Titan8990 | dclarke: lots of distros support debian binary packages but we only support debian here |
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| 18:32.55 | jelly-home | dclarke: dpkg is the low-level tool. |
| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 18:33.14 | SerajewelKS | !customer |
| 18:33.14 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 18:33.17 | MarkB1 | newbie: squeeze is running Like A Rock for me, on a T-400 thinkpad w/KDE 4 -- but this was a fresh install |
| 18:33.26 | MarkB1 | squeeze w/kde4 |
| 18:33.36 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I'm apt-get updating with proposed updates... apparently I need atl1c |
| 18:33.39 | sobersabre | thank you. |
| 18:34.03 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: his cloak actually says "maintainer".... |
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| 18:34.42 | newbie | MarkB1: can i run khangman4.4 in it? |
| 18:34.44 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: for a 3rd party solaris repo it seems |
| 18:35.02 | MarkB1 | newbie: I generally have no-time for games, especially in the past yearn |
| 18:35.04 | abrotman | newbie: seriously, you're asking that again ? |
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| 18:35.16 | jelly-home | Titan8990: yeah, he's a well known packager for blastwave repo |
| 18:35.49 | MarkB1 | !newbie |
| 18:35.49 | dpkg | methinks newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
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| 18:37.57 | newbie | abrotman: i am trying for it from the last one week. and didnt succeeded in it |
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| 18:39.09 | lord-carlos | Hi there |
| 18:39.31 | sevenop | Can someone tell me where the pixmap is for dolphin's icon? It's there under "Help" next to About Dolphin |
| 18:39.40 | lord-carlos | if i try to mount an partition with kde4 i get an error: Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied refused to mount /foo for uid=1000 |
| 18:39.45 | lord-carlos | how can i fix this? |
| 18:39.57 | lord-carlos | (i dont wnat to change the fstab) |
| 18:39.59 | Titan8990 | sevenop: typically somewhere under /usr/share/pixmaps |
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| 18:40.19 | Titan8990 | lord-carlos: add your user to the plugdev group |
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| 18:40.34 | lord-carlos | Titan8990: i am already |
| 18:40.35 | sevenop | titan8990: Yes I have looked in /user/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons. No luck in either. I was hoping someone had come across this. |
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| 18:40.54 | Titan8990 | lord-carlos: did you logout and login after adding yourself to the group? what version of debian? |
| 18:41.14 | Titan8990 | sevenop: try: dpkg -L <dolphin package> |
| 18:41.19 | kasimon | Hi. Can I launch programs in the context of the logged in user whenever a specific network connection comes up? |
| 18:41.24 | lord-carlos | debian testing, kde4.3, adduser carlos plugdev |
| 18:41.32 | lord-carlos | i restarted KDM |
| 18:41.56 | sevenop | Titan8890: Yes already did, used dlocate as well. |
| 18:42.14 | sepult | grrrr |
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| 18:42.22 | Titan8990 | sevenop: are you sure the image is not compiled into the binary? did you check the sources? |
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| 18:43.00 | sevenop | Titan8990: Yes I think the image is part of the binary. I don't think it's actually provided. |
| 18:43.14 | Titan8990 | sevenop: then you will only be able to get it from the sources |
| 18:43.17 | sobersabre | jelly-home: what keywords shall I ask dpkg to setup intel G31 chip for X ? |
| 18:43.22 | sobersabre | (on debian stable) |
| 18:43.36 | Titan8990 | sevenop: if you were looking to change the image, you will need to recompile the package |
| 18:43.55 | jelly-home | sobersabre: what? It should just work. |
| 18:44.19 | sobersabre | I had nvidia, mobo died, and I'm now reconfiguring the system. luckily disks/RAID are ok. |
| 18:44.29 | jelly-home | sobersabre: xserver-xorg-video-intel package (driver "intel" for X) should take care of that |
| 18:44.35 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 18:44.38 | sobersabre | maybe I don't have it... |
| 18:44.39 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 18:44.40 | sobersabre | thanks. |
| 18:44.43 | Titan8990 | sobersabre: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.nvidia.bak; startx |
| 18:45.03 | sobersabre | Titan8990: nice idea... never tried to autoconf up to now... |
| 18:45.15 | sevenop | titan8890: I was thinking that, but the icon is very visible when I run kde. Why would that be compiled. I would think all icons have to be stored under /usr/share/kde or something similar. Is there a kde-pixmaps package that gets installed, anyone? |
| 18:45.20 | sobersabre | I have some keyboard and mouse customization there... |
| 18:45.34 | sobersabre | I swapped nvidia with intel and it didn't work. |
| 18:45.45 | sobersabre | I think it's time to read the X0.log... |
| 18:45.47 | Titan8990 | sevenop: no, that is not the case with a package I recently built. All the images were compiled into the binary |
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| 18:45.54 | sobersabre | Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:46.09 | Titan8990 | sevenop: the only file that the compilation proccess produced with the binary. the binary contained the images |
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| 18:46.36 | lord-carlos | Titan8990: do you have any more ideas? |
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| 18:46.53 | Titan8990 | lord-carlos: no |
| 18:47.10 | sevenop | Titan8890: I agree, but why I suggest differently is that KDE actually shows the icon only if konsole is installed. After it get's installed the icon appears. Before that, konsole doesn't exist. So unless there is a shared library that kde knows about, I'd think that there has to be an image somewhere. |
| 18:47.13 | lord-carlos | ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.45 | sobersabre | hm... I only loaded i915 drm driver and now it's ok. |
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| 18:47.57 | Titan8990 | sevenop: look at the sources or email the maintainer, don't know what else to say |
| 18:48.26 | sevenop | Titan8990: Understood, thx. |
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| 18:49.22 | jelly-home | sobersabre: drm driver is only needed for 3D acceleration, 2d including xvideo works without it as well |
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| 18:50.58 | sobersabre | jelly-home: maybe I'm loading drm, and it does require the i915 driver.... |
| 18:51.22 | sobersabre | I want to get back online with minimal lines of configurations changes... |
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| 18:51.41 | sobersabre | thanks so far, I'm rebooting. |
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| 19:05.06 | ziarkaen | Why does debhelper keep changing the channel limit? what triggers a limit change? |
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| 19:07.55 | jelly-home | ziarkaen: the limit is approximately 15+current_users, probably in place to limit some sort of abusive behaviour |
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| 19:10.01 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: To limit join-floods, too many users trying to join at the same time. |
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| 19:11.50 | ziarkaen | Ah I see. IT would be better if it wasn't echoed to everyone in the channel, but makes ense. |
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| 19:12.49 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: why would we want to keep real users out? |
| 19:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: It's just a throttling mechanism, I believe to prevent a flood of join messages from crashing a client, but possibly to defend against automated attacks as well. |
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| 19:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I didn't set it up, I'm just reporting what I've been told about the practice. |
| 19:14.30 | rdg | what are some of the more crucial packages needed to get opengl running in stable? |
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| 19:15.37 | jelly-home | rdg: accelerated or doesn't matter? |
| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | rdg: if accelerated, which card? |
| 19:16.31 | rdg | firegl 3100 i believe |
| 19:16.34 | rdg | ati |
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| 19:18.10 | rdg | and what package has the xorg configurator |
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| 19:23.27 | hramrach | rdg: what does lspic say about the card? |
| 19:23.31 | hramrach | lspci |
| 19:24.44 | rdg | ati rv370 firegl v3100 |
| 19:25.19 | hramrach | it's ancient, it should just work with stable xorg |
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| 19:28.02 | rdg | when running ./configure in most of the EFL stuff it never really picked up OpenGL |
| 19:28.18 | rdg | and since I'm running a barebones debian install i would assume there's a library or two I'm missing |
| 19:28.29 | hramrach | configure of what? |
| 19:28.40 | rdg | EFL, the libraries for Enlightenment 17 |
| 19:28.42 | jelly-home | rdg: what is "EFL"? |
| 19:28.57 | rdg | err. enlightenemt 0.17 (e17) |
| 19:29.01 | jelly-home | rdg: you're missing build dependencies |
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| 19:29.09 | hramrach | if you want to build something it should come with a list of packages you need installed, and you install the -dev parts in Debian |
| 19:29.20 | jelly-home | judd: versions e17 |
| 19:29.23 | judd | e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.063-1 |
| 19:29.35 | rdg | yea i don't want to run sid |
| 19:29.40 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 19:29.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:29.55 | jelly-home | rdg: I suggest trying a ssb on e17 |
| 19:29.56 | rdg | how come debian doesn't come with normal Firefox? |
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| 19:30.02 | rdg | ssb? |
| 19:30.04 | Titan8990 | !iceweasel |
| 19:30.04 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 19:30.05 | jelly-home | !why iceweasel |
| 19:30.05 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | dammit Jim, be slower |
| 19:30.33 | hramrach | because it's a tardemark owned by MoFo |
| 19:30.33 | rdg | !dfsg |
| 19:30.33 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:30.49 | rdg | !ssb |
| 19:30.49 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 19:32.03 | jelly-home | !why is e17 not in testing |
| 19:32.03 | dpkg | e17 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=e17 |
| 19:32.22 | hramrach | wonders why there need to be so many forks of such junk |
| 19:33.46 | jelly-home | hramrach: because there is no spoon |
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| 19:39.35 | krabador | i downloaded an img from live.debian.net, i typed dd if=img of=/deb/sdb , then i must doing something else to run the pendrive properly? |
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| 19:40.33 | Gijs | Guys |
| 19:40.36 | Gijs | i get attacked |
| 19:40.39 | Gijs | on port 80 |
| 19:40.44 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 19:40.44 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 19:40.56 | Gijs | but the problem is |
| 19:40.59 | Gijs | in netstat -ta |
| 19:41.07 | Gijs | it says: not-assigned.priv:34371 SYN_RECV |
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| 19:41.11 | Gijs | all this addresses |
| 19:41.12 | Titan8990 | krabador: oh.. live pendrive.. not sure we have any docs on that |
| 19:41.25 | krabador | Titan8990, ok |
| 19:42.23 | Titan8990 | krabador: looks like you need to use lh_build to create the image: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ch03s03.html#id533300 |
| 19:42.51 | rudi_s | Gijs: Use iptables hashlimit to block too many connections from a single IP/Host, man iptables. |
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| 19:44.37 | Gijs | iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP |
| 19:44.38 | Gijs | ? |
| 19:44.45 | rdg | !iceweasel |
| 19:44.45 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 19:44.54 | rdg | !icecat |
| 19:44.54 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #522196. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
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| 19:45.37 | rudi_s | Gijs: Should work too, yes. |
| 19:48.44 | Gijs | Guys |
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| 19:48.53 | Gijs | root:~# iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP |
| 19:48.53 | Gijs | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 19:49.34 | Gijs | whats the problem? |
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| 19:51.31 | jelly-home | Gijs: no -m connlimit support in kernel? |
| 19:51.41 | jelly-home | Gijs: you wouldn't be using a custom built kernel? |
| 19:52.17 | Titan8990 | that wouldn't mean no INPUT table? |
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| 19:52.42 | jelly-home | no, iptables cmdline isn't very good at useful errors |
| 19:52.46 | Gijs | hmm |
| 19:52.58 | Gijs | so i cannot use it? |
| 19:53.16 | bfrog | I like how debian moved to oftc |
| 19:53.23 | bfrog | but #debian on freenode is still twice the size |
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| 19:53.47 | Titan8990 | freenode seems to be a more popular network in general |
| 19:53.48 | jelly-home | fsvo moved |
| 19:53.56 | Titan8990 | bfrog: all the dev channels are on oftc only |
| 19:54.52 | jelly-home | except some (#debian-xfce) |
| 19:55.11 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: I was not aware that was a dev channel |
| 19:55.19 | Titan8990 | I have only seen support discussion there |
| 19:55.43 | Gijs | anybody? |
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| 19:56.19 | Titan8990 | Gijs: you never answered jelly's question |
| 19:56.34 | digii | is it /etc/issue that holds terminal welcome message? |
| 19:56.56 | Gijs | i dont even know if i use a custom built |
| 19:56.58 | digii | is u access it remote that is |
| 19:57.06 | jelly-home | Gijs: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:57.18 | Gijs | 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
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| 19:57.42 | Titan8990 | digii: it is included in the MOTD, I don't think its exclusive though |
| 19:57.42 | jelly-home | Gijs: or you might be using a very old kernel that doesn't support the feature |
| 19:57.53 | jelly-home | Gijs: how much RAM does that machine have? |
| 19:58.06 | Gijs | 4gb |
| 19:58.22 | rdg | what does one need to get dual head working in xorg? |
| 19:58.26 | digii | Titan8990: hmm ok =) |
| 19:58.45 | digii | thz |
| 19:58.55 | jelly-home | Gijs: install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem, that will bring 2.6.26-*-686-bigmem kernel package, reboot into it, try again |
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| 19:59.30 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: not with only etch sources |
| 20:00.18 | jelly-home | I don't support etch any more! :-D |
| 20:00.28 | f00bar80 | my desktop manager (gnome) loads too slowly or even doesn't unless i click alt + F2, it takes like 5+ minutes to load, here's my .xsession.errors, http://pastebin.com/xya8B2pK i'm on debian lenny , seems like dbus not running |
| 20:01.08 | jelly-home | Gijs: what about dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 20:01.50 | Gijs | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:02.48 | Gijs | oh and what if i install the new kernel and i reboot it and it dont work/ |
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| 20:03.19 | jelly-home | Gijs: the assumption is you have console access and are able to fix it / boot back to the working one. |
| 20:03.21 | Titan8990 | Gijs: it shouldn't remove the old kernel |
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| 20:03.32 | jelly-home | however |
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| 20:03.54 | jelly-home | Gijs: tho things: you have debian 4.0 installed. It's not supported any time, so strongly consider upgrading to Debian 5 when you have time. |
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| 20:05.09 | jelly-home | Gijs: if you can't afford that, but still require newer iptables functionality, it _might_ be available in "etchnhalf" updated kernel. |
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| 20:05.40 | Gijs | i am running plesk on the server |
| 20:05.40 | jelly-home | Gijs: use something like apt-cache search linux-image etchnhalf 686-bigmem to find out the package name |
| 20:05.51 | Gijs | and if i update to 5.0 it will bring me errors and bugs in plesk |
| 20:06.03 | jelly-home | Gijs: contact plesk support then, can't help you with that |
| 20:06.05 | abrotman | don't use plesk? .. problem solved! |
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| 20:06.43 | jelly-home | etchnhalf kernel _should_ be a less harmful option |
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| 20:07.03 | jelly-home | !plesk |
| 20:07.03 | dpkg | methinks plesk is Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:16.58 | Flashtek | out of interest is there a defined date for squeeze release ? |
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| 20:17.12 | zleap | hi Flashtek |
| 20:17.23 | Flashtek | evening zleap |
| 20:17.33 | Flashtek | wtf are you doing here ? |
| 20:18.02 | zleap | i just auto join, as well as auto joining #ubuntu and #ubuntu-uk |
| 20:18.25 | Flashtek | furyr muff |
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| 20:21.15 | vlt | Hello. I want to compile something on a fresh lenny install. "command make not found" -> what pkg do I need to install? |
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| 20:22.16 | kittonian | hi all |
| 20:22.41 | kittonian | does anyone know if there's a service available where I can purchase a static ip that will somehow interact with a dynamic ip addressed cable modem connection? |
| 20:23.02 | Wildy | kittonian, you can just go with DynDNS or use VPN services |
| 20:23.26 | Wildy | idk of any of those, i could just use one of our office's static ip's for that with openvpn |
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| 20:24.09 | kittonian | we have a home network and apparently the house we are moving into can only get a 1.5mb/254k dsl connection |
| 20:24.43 | kittonian | so i'm looking at cable instead but there are 4 computers here that we have VNC setup on, all on different ports that we need to be able to access remotely |
| 20:24.44 | Titan8990 | kittonian: not great but could be worse |
| 20:24.59 | kittonian | not great at all considering i have 6mb/768k right now |
| 20:25.02 | Titan8990 | kittonian: that is rather... unsafe but dyndns is your answer |
| 20:25.35 | kittonian | dyndns will allow me to forward based on a port? |
| 20:25.46 | vlt | , versions linux-image-xen-686 |
| 20:25.48 | judd | linux-image-xen-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 20:26.17 | vlt | !why is linux-image-xen-686 not in testing |
| 20:26.17 | dpkg | linux-image-xen-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-xen-686 |
| 20:26.27 | Titan8990 | kittonian: no, your network gateway will. dyndns will allow you to keep track of what your current dynamic IP is |
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| 20:27.03 | kittonian | is there something i can run on our colo'd server that will do the same thing? we have our own debian server running all kinds of nice stuff remotely |
| 20:27.21 | kittonian | i'm aksing because we also run our own dns servers and i can configure whatever i need to |
| 20:27.24 | kittonian | *asking |
| 20:27.51 | Titan8990 | kittonian: well, option 2 was just to do a VPN, but you still need dyndns |
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| 20:28.16 | Titan8990 | kittonian: you have multiple dns servers on your home network? |
| 20:28.27 | f00bar80 | my desktop manager (gnome) loads too slowly or even doesn't unless i click alt + F2, it takes like 5+ minutes to load, here's my .xsession.errors, http://pastebin.com/xya8B2pK i'm on debian lenny , seems like dbus not running |
| 20:28.30 | kittonian | right, i think what i was asking is whether this dyndns service can be duplicated through some sort of server software instead of using dyndns directly |
| 20:28.41 | kittonian | no, i have multiple dns servers colocated |
| 20:29.08 | vlt | Hello. What linux kernel image can I use to run Debian squeeze as domU in Xen? |
| 20:29.52 | Titan8990 | kittonian: no there is no server software you can run.... how would anything get to that server software if your IP is dynamic? |
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| 20:30.11 | karlpinc | kittonian: If you have a server that's always on the internet you can do your own dynamic dns with something like dhis. |
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| 20:30.23 | Flashtek | vlt: build-essential |
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| 20:30.30 | karlpinc | kittonian: (On the internet at a static IP that is.) |
| 20:30.40 | Titan8990 | kittonian: the only ways for it to work is a client (most of the time your gateway) send updated information to a nameserver on the internet |
| 20:30.44 | vlt | Flashtek: Thanks. |
| 20:31.09 | Titan8990 | kittonian: which controls a dynamic dns service... its a free service and the tools are open source. I don't understand the problem |
| 20:32.01 | kittonian | not a problem, just wondering if there was a way i could setup exactly what dyndns has setup so that i could use our own domain names instead of choosing one of theirs |
| 20:32.33 | Titan8990 | kittonian: but the point is, how would clients on the internet get to that information if you were to host it? |
| 20:33.09 | ziarkaen | When I boot I get GRUB error 16's, 18's, being taken straight to grub prompt. If I boot, eneter BIOS, then exit, it boots normally. What could cause this? |
| 20:34.20 | kittonian | i don't think you understand. my home network is completely separate from our colocated servers. |
| 20:34.28 | kittonian | these are two totally different things |
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| 20:34.53 | kittonian | i'm asking if I can run something on my colocated servers to act just as dyndns does and make things properly respond to my home network |
| 20:35.52 | Titan8990 | kittonian: ah, well, probably. You could probably just write a script that updates the zonefile on the server |
| 20:36.56 | kittonian | i was actually thinking that if i used dyndns i could just make a cname on my dns servers to correspond to whatever dyndns name is setup for each machine |
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| 20:37.37 | Titan8990 | kittonian: you mean like claim that your the authortative nameserver for that domain? |
| 20:37.38 | chut | hi people i need help |
| 20:37.42 | kittonian | and i suppose i could use iptables/ipfilter to route the incoming packets accordingly just as i do now with 5 ip addresses |
| 20:38.11 | chut | i have windows install in one of my /dev/sdd1. what do i boot in for root boot from grub? |
| 20:38.15 | Titan8990 | kittonian: you could probably spend a little extra money and get a static IP... |
| 20:38.24 | kittonian | i am the authoratative name server for my own domains. but if i setup a cname entry in bind i can point that name anywhere i wish (i.e. blah in cname foo.dyndns.com) |
| 20:38.39 | chut | rootnoverify (sdd1,0) |
| 20:38.41 | chut | ? |
| 20:38.42 | chut | right |
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| 20:38.53 | Titan8990 | kittonian: ah, right. I was thinking of it going the otherway |
| 20:38.57 | Tonisius | using Lenny, how do I know what version of a package is installed using apt-get or dpkg? |
| 20:39.03 | kittonian | it's not the money. static ip's aren't offered with cable connections unless you move to a business cable line and commit to a 2-year contract at a ridiculous price per month ($150+/mo) |
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| 20:39.36 | kittonian | if i go with dsl i am limited to 1.5mb/254k but i can get a static ip. if i go with cable i can get much higher speeds but no static ip |
| 20:39.38 | Tonisius | oh, dpkg-query |
| 20:39.39 | Tonisius | nvm, thanks |
| 20:40.25 | Titan8990 | kittonian: you probably need to ask for the business varient to get a static ip on cable |
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| 20:44.24 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Yeah, he said business class + 2 yr contract. |
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| 20:44.40 | jhutchins | Must be a monopoly cable provider. |
| 20:45.31 | jhutchins | kittonian: Yes, you can run the dyndns client on your home systems and it can update either the dyndns servers or even your work servers when the ip changes. |
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| 20:46.05 | jhutchins | Technically I have a dynamic IP, but it never changes as long as I stay up and don't swap cable modems. |
| 20:46.27 | jhutchins | kittonian: You can also script it yourself. |
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| 20:49.46 | vlt | Hello. What linux kernel image do I need to install to run Debian squeeze as domU in XEN? |
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| 20:50.44 | FDfh | How to install GNOME 3 in Lenny? I see plenty of tutorials for Ubuntu, but none for Debian |
| 20:51.00 | fefo | moreless the same ;P |
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| 20:53.21 | pngwn | vlt, try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:54.34 | vlt | pngwn: Thank you. |
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| 21:06.00 | stack_underflow | does anyone know how to start X when using a live cd with an nvidia gpu? i'm using a knoppix live cd but for some reason it hangs when loading X (i've asked on #knoppix, but there's no one there) |
| 21:07.39 | AimHere | Umm, what makes you think #debian people know anything about troubleshooting knoppix? I'm under the impression that Knoppix' hardware detection and configuration was written for Knoppix, not debian. |
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| 21:07.58 | AimHere | It certainly used to be the case. |
| 21:08.01 | zleap | stack_underflow, i think you should be able to tell it to use a vesa mode on start up, you used to be able to do that, |
| 21:08.33 | zleap | there were lots of options for start up to account for different hardware |
| 21:08.53 | stack_underflow | AimHere, I thought all distros used X? |
| 21:09.09 | stack_underflow | zleap, I'll try that |
| 21:09.14 | zleap | ok |
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| 21:10.03 | AimHere | X yes, but the app that writes the xorg.conf file or whatever is different |
| 21:10.48 | stack_underflow | AimHere, well I didn't know that; you could have just said that instead of sounding like a dick |
| 21:11.27 | AimHere | I thought it was covered by 'hardware detection and configuration' myself. |
| 21:11.44 | AimHere | So I DID say it, while sounding like a dick. |
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| 21:12.49 | AimHere | In fact, now I reread it, I don't think I sound like a dick at all. |
| 21:12.54 | stack_underflow | well i got it to work, thanks i guess |
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| 21:33.06 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: there are cable providers that are *not* monopolies? |
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| 21:34.07 | bfrog | why does debian install a smtp server by default? |
| 21:34.23 | cusco | !why a mta |
| 21:34.42 | bfrog | was that supposed to do something? |
| 21:34.44 | bfrog | bot down |
| 21:34.45 | simonrvn | because cron among other things depend on it |
| 21:34.46 | bfrog | ? |
| 21:34.48 | cusco | !why an mta |
| 21:34.48 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 21:35.09 | cusco | bfrog: it doesn't, at least not in base install |
| 21:35.13 | bfrog | why exim then instead of postfix |
| 21:35.15 | bfrog | ? |
| 21:35.19 | cusco | some packages might depend on a mta, like mysql-server tho |
| 21:35.33 | cusco | exim is the default mta... you can replace it tho |
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| 21:35.50 | simonrvn | one of the few defaults debian has is the mta |
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| 21:36.04 | bfrog | thinking I might hit back debian here and ditch arch as my main distro |
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| 21:36.21 | bfrog | lets say I need to build myself the ati driver from fd.org |
| 21:36.25 | bfrog | from git |
| 21:36.31 | Titan8990 | cusco: its part of "standard system" task. an MTA will get pulled down pretty quickly when you start installing packages if you don't grab that task |
| 21:36.34 | lsa | Has anyone succesfully installed HyperV integration tools in Debian 5.0.4 stable? |
| 21:36.43 | bfrog | that includes mesa, libdrm, etc, bunch of crap |
| 21:36.47 | Titan8990 | lsa: not supported IIRC |
| 21:36.50 | Titan8990 | !hyperv |
| 21:36.50 | dpkg | Microsoft Hyper-V (formerly Windows Server Virtualization) is a proprietary system <virtualization> product, not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . The Hyper-V staging drivers (providing paravirtualization support) are disabled in Debian 2.6.32 kernel image packages, slated for removal from mainline in 2.6.35. |
| 21:36.51 | bfrog | thats pretty trivial with archlinux atm for me |
| 21:36.59 | cusco | Titan8990: a web server doesn't seem to need it |
| 21:37.10 | bfrog | is that sort of thing fairly trivial with debian these days? |
| 21:37.27 | Titan8990 | cusco: it does if you want to use cron, logrotate, mail() command in your php, etc |
| 21:37.27 | bfrog | I remember having to walk through fire to change over one of the binary packages to one I made myself |
| 21:37.39 | Titan8990 | cusco: excuse me s/logrotate/logwatch |
| 21:37.46 | cusco | ah... |
| 21:38.01 | cusco | I was feeling funny now knowing logrotate is in |
| 21:38.13 | lsa | Titan8990: thanks |
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| 21:38.26 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 21:39.20 | cusco | Titan8990: cron is installed, exim ain't |
| 21:39.34 | cusco | so there is something wrong there |
| 21:39.58 | Titan8990 | cusco: cron will function. it "recommends" but does not require an MTA. cron will fail to send emails however |
| 21:40.11 | cusco | Titan8990: thats cool, they are anoying |
| 21:40.13 | Titan8990 | cusco: it only requires an MTA if you want to use all of cron's features. |
| 21:40.18 | cusco | yep :) |
| 21:40.37 | cusco | we use a smtp script whenvever needed |
| 21:40.43 | Titan8990 | cusco: annoying for your desktop machine maybe. I sure as hell want cron to mail me when my maint scripts fail |
| 21:41.07 | Titan8990 | cusco: ah, a script to replace built-in functionality, nice.... |
| 21:41.08 | cusco | Titan8990: its only a webserver, all the cron is commented out |
| 21:41.22 | sobersabre | I have upgraded my computer and it now has atheros card. I have upgraded the kernel thanks to jelly-home and the card works. although a strange quirk happens. |
| 21:41.36 | Titan8990 | cusco: webservers do not require maintence? |
| 21:41.39 | sobersabre | the default MTU my atheros NIC sets itself up is 576 |
| 21:41.53 | cusco | Titan8990: whenever we need a fax, or asterisk recording, script will convert it and send it trough a smtp server. no need to install a daemon for that |
| 21:41.55 | sobersabre | and this makes only my router computer to be able to work with the internet. |
| 21:42.20 | sobersabre | if I am trying to browse the web, the resolving works, but the websites don't show in it. |
| 21:42.32 | sobersabre | when I manually set the MTU to 1500, the problem disappears. |
| 21:42.38 | sobersabre | I have 2 questions: |
| 21:42.38 | cusco | Titan8990: in my boss point of view, webserver is almost the best machine arround, as potential clients will visit it a lot lol |
| 21:42.43 | hobophobe | Does start-stop-daemon take into account what a script's links look like in the /etc/rc*.d folders? |
| 21:42.54 | cusco | Titan8990: no need to defend yourself harshly, im not attacking in anyway |
| 21:43.01 | cusco | I live fine without the mta |
| 21:43.10 | sobersabre | 1. how can I set MTU so that the dhcp server doesn't mess it up ? |
| 21:43.14 | cusco | tho I have a mail server with exim in a box alone |
| 21:43.15 | sobersabre | 2. why does it happen ? |
| 21:43.16 | bfrog | does debian patch a lot of their packages? |
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| 21:43.30 | cusco | and dovecot imap |
| 21:43.51 | sobersabre | I think 1. is via /etc/network/interfaces, and I need to add an "up ifconfig eth1 mtu 1500" to the eth1 interface. |
| 21:44.11 | sobersabre | but I simply don't understand why does the card set MTU to 576. |
| 21:44.55 | karlpinc | bfrog: You'd have to look at the source packages to be sure, but in my experience yes. |
| 21:45.11 | Titan8990 | cusco: well, the system MTA prevents from needing to convert everything that would typically send mail to use your special script. The MTA does not need to be a full-fledged MTA |
| 21:45.26 | bfrog | yeah poking around it looks like a lot of crap is patched all over the place |
| 21:45.46 | Titan8990 | cusco: like the MTA on my desktop for example just relays email (authenticated) through my email server for devscript and reportbug commands in debian |
| 21:45.51 | karlpinc | bfrog: You can check debian policy. I belive the policy is to push patches upstream. |
| 21:46.35 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 21:46.38 | sobersabre | ok, nevermind. |
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| 21:48.23 | lindi- | bfrog: apt-get install debian-policy; read 4.3 in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz |
| 21:48.56 | cusco | Titan8990: I don't need to send any more emails, I do get your point tho |
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| 21:50.10 | Titan8990 | lindi-: are you a dd or maintainer? |
| 21:50.13 | ukusan | hello, im trying to install pureftpd on my debian 5.0 server, i get this error trying to connect via ftp client , http://img46.imageshack.us/i/ftpb.jpg/ |
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| 21:50.57 | Titan8990 | ukusan: what package did you install? |
| 21:51.15 | ukusan | pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 21:52.19 | Titan8990 | ukusan: you need pure-ftpd |
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| 21:52.36 | ukusan | ok |
| 21:53.00 | sdk__ | Hrm.. have a log file sshfs-ed and chmod -R 644. I have a script trying cd into the dir (both on the remote and local system) as a regular user, I get permission denied. Any ideas why? As root, right in, so clearly permissions problem, but no idea what. |
| 21:53.15 | lindi- | Titan8990: reporting bugs and helping with a package |
| 21:53.30 | ukusan | Titan8990, that worked |
| 21:53.41 | ukusan | Titan8990, how could i make it so it leads to the www folder in the /etc/www |
| 21:53.51 | ukusan | Titan8990 right now it loads right into home |
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| 21:54.28 | Titan8990 | sdk__: the user needs execute permissions on the dir to cd into it |
| 21:54.45 | Titan8990 | !permissions |
| 21:54.45 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 21:54.46 | sdk__ | Titan8990: I do.. 644 |
| 21:55.01 | sdk__ | ... oh.. one sec... |
| 21:55.24 | Titan8990 | ukusan: you need to set the user whose logging in home directory to /var/www, unless there is something specific to pure ftpd that I do know about |
| 21:56.01 | Titan8990 | sdk__: no... thats rw-r-r |
| 21:56.12 | sdk__ | ...well, here's a duh moment... cd-ing into a dir requires executable bit set. |
| 21:56.26 | sdk__ | Titan8990: I misread your post. |
| 21:56.33 | ukusan | Titan8990, where do i set that exactly? somewhere in the pureftpd config? |
| 21:56.54 | sdk__ | I'm a complete wanker. Thanks much. |
| 21:56.57 | lindi- | Titan8990: are you maintaining something? (realname is bit short) |
| 21:56.57 | Titan8990 | sdk__: check out http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions for a detailed look |
| 21:57.44 | Titan8990 | lindi-: no, I am just getting started with it. I will be looking for a mentor/sponser soon so I thought I would ask. |
| 21:58.11 | Titan8990 | ukusan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:58.18 | ukusan | 5.0 |
| 21:58.34 | lindi- | Titan8990: yep but I meant, do you have some specific package in mind? |
| 21:59.08 | Titan8990 | ukusan: are you ftp users local system users? |
| 21:59.32 | ukusan | Titan8990, i believe so. i was able to login to my ftp via the user that was already created on the system |
| 21:59.57 | Titan8990 | lindi-: I am starting with a task timing utility called gtimer. It was orphaned and dropped for squeeze so I thought it would be a nice starting point. |
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| 22:00.16 | generic | how can i find the uuid of my swap partition? |
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| 22:00.25 | Titan8990 | lindi-: bug #575666 |
| 22:00.28 | generic | it is not showing up in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 22:00.51 | Titan8990 | generic: blkid |
| 22:01.04 | lindi- | Titan8990: ah, i know that one. we have two gtimer users at work |
| 22:01.18 | lindi- | Titan8990: dead upstream and it's GTK 1.x app? |
| 22:01.23 | generic | Titan8990: thank you! just manned it :) |
| 22:01.27 | Titan8990 | ukusan: well, the solution with likely undesirable side effects is to user usermod to change the homedir of the system user to the one that you want |
| 22:01.50 | Titan8990 | lindi-: upstream recently picked it back up and fixed it to use gtk 2.x |
| 22:01.58 | lindi- | Titan8990: great news |
| 22:02.08 | lindi- | Titan8990: got something I can quote back to the users? |
| 22:02.37 | vlt | , versions libavcodec |
| 22:02.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libavcodec' was found. |
| 22:02.49 | lindi- | Titan8990: http://www.k5n.us/gtimer.php?topic=History |
| 22:02.57 | vlt | !info libavcodec |
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| 22:05.34 | Titan8990 | lindi-: for right now the source package is available on my webserver. It is lintian clean but likely not yet of debian quality. It was actually the maintainer who made the ITP for re-inclusion. |
| 22:05.39 | dark | How can I install python 2.4, with pygtk2, in debian testing? (I'm starting to believe it's not on the repositories anymore..) |
| 22:05.42 | Titan8990 | lindi-: err, upstream maintainer |
| 22:06.18 | Titan8990 | judd: python2.4 |
| 22:06.24 | Titan8990 | judd: versions python2.4 |
| 22:06.25 | judd | python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch2; etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch3; lenny: 2.4.6-1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 22:06.50 | dark | i'm on.. bhmm.. squeeze.. |
| 22:06.51 | Titan8990 | dark: manually compile and install to /usr/local will likely be your only option |
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| 22:07.04 | dark | u.u |
| 22:07.18 | dark | but.. there are a bunch of -2.4 packages here, o.o |
| 22:07.29 | dark | aptitude search python|grep 2.4 |
| 22:07.43 | dark | minor packages, such as python2.4-cherrypy |
| 22:07.56 | dark | they are just floating on the void? |
| 22:08.22 | Titan8990 | dark: I am sure it will get cleaned up before release |
| 22:08.25 | dark | I don't think squeeze should drop python 2.4 support |
| 22:08.41 | dark | reading http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg268410.html |
| 22:08.42 | Titan8990 | dark: file a bug |
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| 22:09.07 | swissdude | Pc |
| 22:09.09 | swissdude | Pc |
| 22:09.11 | swissdude | Pc |
| 22:09.28 | swissdude | Fu |
| 22:09.29 | swissdude | Fu |
| 22:09.32 | adb | swissdude, ? |
| 22:09.32 | swissdude | Fu |
| 22:09.34 | ukusan | Titan8990, side effects?? |
| 22:09.50 | swissdude | Kick me ! |
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| 22:09.56 | dark | swissdude, hello, you can flood in #flood |
| 22:10.02 | azeem | swissdude: please keep it on topic |
| 22:10.21 | azeem | swissdude: you've been timed out for 10 minutes to cool down a bit |
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| 22:11.11 | dark | Titan8990, this was probably extensively debated, i'm following that debian-devel discussion |
| 22:11.26 | Titan8990 | ukusan: you should probably ask the support for daemon what best practices are for what you are trying to do. I do not want to give bad advice. |
| 22:11.32 | dark | why i think it should not drop support: it is still useful |
| 22:12.11 | Titan8990 | dark: sometimes people need to maintain their code... which might mean doing things so that it works on the new version of python |
| 22:12.32 | generic | Titan8990: when i use sudo blkid -s UUID /dev/sda2 there is no output? but there is for the other partitions. Any idea how to find the uuid of the swap? |
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| 22:13.34 | Titan8990 | generic: sorry, looks like swap does not get a UUID, should have checked that first |
| 22:13.47 | simonrvn | yes it does |
| 22:13.49 | generic | Titan8990: it does on archlinux |
| 22:13.51 | dark | well, in my case, i will develop a small homework to show in university pc's (that runs a probably old centos version, with python 2.4.3). i will probably code it in 2.6, avoiding 2.6isms, and then test there |
| 22:14.06 | simonrvn | it displays it on creation |
| 22:14.08 | dark | but there are some legacy software written in 2.4 that will probably not be ported |
| 22:14.13 | generic | simonrvn: know how i can give it one? |
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| 22:14.14 | Titan8990 | generic: alright, then I just do not know how to answer |
| 22:14.29 | simonrvn | UUID=66de3cea-5007-4339-8368-1c1c3761ce42 none swap sw,pri=-2 0 0 |
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| 22:14.49 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: blkid on my current system displays UUIDs for everything but swap |
| 22:14.56 | simonrvn | generic: when you create it, like i just said |
| 22:15.12 | generic | simonrvn: well i created it along time ago.. |
| 22:15.18 | generic | how can i find it now? |
| 22:15.31 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: same for my lenny box... |
| 22:16.20 | simonrvn | sec |
| 22:16.21 | generic | ii have many HDD's i would like to mount it in fstab by uuid like i have in other distros |
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| 22:17.03 | Titan8990 | it looks like the debian installer just does not generate a UUID for swap |
| 22:17.29 | Titan8990 | I just did swapoff /dev/foo; mkswap /dev/foo; and the partition now has a UUID |
| 22:17.46 | simonrvn | use file -sk on it |
| 22:18.00 | lindi- | Titan8990: link to dsc file? |
| 22:18.11 | simonrvn | hm, odd. maybe libparted doesn't? |
| 22:18.19 | generic | simonrvn: the uuid it 0-0-0-0-00... |
| 22:18.20 | simonrvn | generic: ^^^ |
| 22:18.25 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 22:18.33 | generic | wait i will try Titan8990's suggestion |
| 22:18.54 | lindi- | Titan8990: or git repo? |
| 22:18.55 | simonrvn | worth a bit of investigation |
| 22:19.11 | Titan8990 | lindi-: http://linuxgen.com/debian/gtimer_2.0.0-1.dsc |
| 22:19.50 | generic | it worked it now has a uuid |
| 22:20.00 | generic | i will try to put it in to fstab and boot |
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| 22:20.28 | lindi- | Titan8990: your key A8739568 is not on a keyserver yet? |
| 22:21.13 | dark | Titan8990, where would I file a bug? (into which package?) |
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| 22:21.31 | Titan8990 | lindi-: no, it is not. I still have some reading to do as far as pgp. as I understood it, I need a DD to sign my key before I upload it |
| 22:21.46 | lindi- | Titan8990: yes |
| 22:21.47 | Titan8990 | dark: not sure to be honest |
| 22:22.03 | azeem | Titan8990: getting your key signed is orthogonal to uploading it to keyservers |
| 22:22.11 | lindi- | Titan8990: but having the key on a keyserver would make it possible for me to do a very quick check :) |
| 22:22.16 | Titan8990 | lindi-: well, I don't know any DDs. I made my first post on the debian-mentors list this afternoon |
| 22:22.48 | lindi- | Titan8990: where do you live? shouldn't be that difficult to find a DD |
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| 22:23.15 | Titan8990 | lindi-: `whois linuxgen.com` |
| 22:23.29 | generic | Titan8990: thx it worked like a charm! |
| 22:23.31 | generic | simonrvn: you too. thank you |
| 22:24.05 | generic | als it is listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid now |
| 22:24.09 | generic | ^also |
| 22:24.24 | dark | it was said that 'It doesn't make sense to provide a full set of third party python modules and extensions for 2.4.', just one people said on the list that 2.6 should be the default but 2.5 and 2.4 still supported. it looks like this is not considered too much of a issue |
| 22:24.35 | simonrvn | np |
| 22:24.51 | Titan8990 | lindi-: meeting people in person is somewhat of a foreign concept to me.... this city is *very* lacking in linux communities. The closes LUG that I could find (which does not bounce emails I send) is 100 miles away in cincinatti |
| 22:25.05 | simonrvn | i'd drop 2.4, personally |
| 22:25.22 | Titan8990 | generic: good to see |
| 22:25.37 | lindi- | Titan8990: oh |
| 22:25.40 | Titan8990 | azeem: thanks, I will reread the NMG sections on uploading a key |
| 22:25.44 | dark | in fact, if zope 2.x and plone doesn't start to support python 2.6, it was said that debian might withdraw zope support too (the alternative is just to package enough 2.4 to run zope) |
| 22:25.57 | lindi- | Titan8990: in Finland we have a monthly free software meeting :) |
| 22:26.19 | lindi- | Titan8990: it's difficult to not hit a DD :P |
| 22:26.39 | simonrvn | Titan8990: so you're biting the bullet, eh |
| 22:26.41 | Titan8990 | lindi-: well, in louisville, ky I search for "linux" keyword on multiple job sites *daily* in which it returns the same 6 results |
| 22:26.55 | dark | here the president attends to the annual free software meeting o.o but not too much DD i guess u.u |
| 22:27.01 | dark | (brazil) |
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| 22:27.33 | simonrvn | there's a few .br dds |
| 22:27.35 | dark | (international free software forum, porto alegre) |
| 22:27.38 | lindi- | Titan8990: i'm not very familiar with quilt format yet. is build.log accidentally included in the source package? |
| 22:27.41 | Titan8990 | lindi-: that sounds nice |
| 22:27.42 | dark | hm, yes, kov.. hmm.. |
| 22:28.09 | lindi- | Titan8990: "debian-changes-2.0.0-1 (gtimer_2.0.0-1.debian.tar.gz)" adds build.log |
| 22:29.22 | azeem | lindi-: where is that message from? |
| 22:29.57 | Titan8990 | lindi-: that is not right, thank you for pointing it out. that should have been cleaned. |
| 22:30.31 | Titan8990 | azeem: it is a package that I have been working on |
| 22:31.50 | lindi- | azeem: which message? I quoted emacs |
| 22:32.59 | Titan8990 | quoted emacs? |
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| 22:33.29 | simonrvn | it has some debian packaging related extensions |
| 22:33.41 | lindi- | Titan8990: "debian-changes-2.0.0-1 (gtimer_2.0.0-1.debian.tar.gz)" is how emacs talks about tars inside tars |
| 22:34.08 | Titan8990 | ah, I have those installed but I have not read the docs on how to use them |
| 22:35.20 | lindi- | Titan8990: anyways I forwarded the news to users |
| 22:35.26 | lindi- | Titan8990: and build the package |
| 22:35.44 | lindi- | Titan8990: could you setup some sort of version control? |
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| 22:37.04 | simonrvn | um |
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| 22:37.38 | Titan8990 | lindi-: I could, yes. I would have a bit of reading to do as development processes in general are rather new to me. i.e. - I haven't really used a VCS outside of fetching |
| 22:37.56 | lindi- | Titan8990: this is a good opportunity to learn |
| 22:38.14 | Titan8990 | lindi-: I did have svn going once for my .emacs file/dir, but it was mainly just for learning |
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| 22:38.22 | lindi- | Titan8990: I'd use git nowadays |
| 22:38.33 | Titan8990 | lindi-: I aggree, and I was about to ask you that |
| 22:40.52 | Titan8990 | well, my tasks are set. 1) upload gpg key 2) setup VCS |
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| 22:41.50 | lindi- | Titan8990: if the key itself is ok you can just gpg --send-keys A8739568 --keyserver pgp.mit.edu |
| 22:41.55 | simonrvn | git is rather easy to handle |
| 22:42.15 | lindi- | *cough* |
| 22:42.18 | pipeline | emacs has a way of making everything look like sccs |
| 22:42.34 | pipeline | which surprisingly still works fine with git |
| 22:42.34 | lindi- | there's this magit-mode nowadays yes |
| 22:42.39 | pipeline | because then you just commit changes to your local repo |
| 22:43.26 | simonrvn | just don't cough on me ok? you might have a bug :P. |
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| 22:45.11 | Titan8990 | lindi-: done and thanks. the --send-keys option needs some come last though because it interprets all following input as different keys |
| 22:45.22 | Titan8990 | lindi-: atleast that is the first result I got |
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| 22:45.52 | simonrvn | i usually put --keyserver first as it doesn't choke then |
| 22:46.03 | romel | hi guys. I am trying to install build-essential, but I stumbled on: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny1) but 2.7-18lenny2 is to be installed |
| 22:46.31 | simonrvn | update and upgrade, then try |
| 22:46.48 | lindi- | Titan8990: --recv-keys A8739568 works. |
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| 22:47.10 | romel | simonrvn, tried already |
| 22:48.06 | Titan8990 | romel: what version are you supossed to be running? |
| 22:48.55 | simonrvn | do you have some stuff on hold maybe? |
| 22:48.56 | romel | Titan8990, version of what? |
| 22:50.56 | adb | , versions libc6 |
| 22:50.56 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 22:52.00 | lindi- | Titan8990: if you have no signatures you might want to generate a 4096-bit key instead btw |
| 22:52.11 | Titan8990 | romel: version of debian |
| 22:52.46 | romel | Titan8990, 5.0.4 |
| 22:52.49 | adb | romel, apt-cache depends libc6-dev , don't say that |
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| 22:54.01 | lindi- | Titan8990: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/05/msg00005.html |
| 22:54.06 | adb | romel, run a aptitude update , and try again |
| 22:54.14 | adb | run an* |
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| 22:55.08 | romel | adb, tried that |
| 22:55.14 | romel | doesn't help |
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| 22:56.15 | adb | romel, paste your sources.list. please |
| 22:56.23 | adb | !paste |
| 22:56.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 22:57.17 | romel | http://pastie.org/906574 |
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| 22:58.13 | adb | romel, missing > deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 22:59.18 | adb | romel, uncomment line 7 |
| 22:59.46 | romel | oh thanks |
| 23:00.09 | romel | really, thanks a lot :) |
| 23:00.16 | adb | yw |
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| 23:20.56 | zfra | would be of any use for the 32 bits apps to be completely compatible with 64b processors and viceversa? |
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| 23:34.34 | careta | can someone please tell me if this patch applies to 2.6.33 or am i just being stupid? http://pastebin.com/R18i3kx8 |
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| 23:36.51 | Titan8990 | careta: what is the filename of the patch? where did you get it? |
| 23:39.00 | careta | Titan8990, it is a private patch for a kernel bug im trying to find |
| 23:39.23 | careta | i tried to apply it to 2.6.33 but im not sure if im just being stupid or it does not apply to the tree |
| 23:39.28 | Titan8990 | careta: well it depends on your kernel dirs being named "a" and "b" |
| 23:39.47 | careta | Titan8990, inside the kernel tree i applied it with -p1 |
| 23:40.23 | Titan8990 | careta: ignore that... and you got what errors? |
| 23:40.46 | careta | all hunks failed |
| 23:42.29 | careta | the .rej files are in the correct location |
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| 23:47.05 | newbie | hi, does anybody know how to install vmwgfx_drv.so on Debian sid? |
| 23:48.37 | Titan8990 | , file vmwgfx_drv.so --release sid |
| 23:48.40 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 23:48.52 | mentor | careta: Well, can you see where the hunks should go? |
| 23:49.45 | careta | mentor, yes im doing it by hand now. just wanted to make sure i was not being stupid with patch |
| 23:49.55 | mentor | mmk |
| 23:50.08 | newbie | Titan8990: thanks, it's VMWare new gallium driver which supports 3d acceleration on vmware guests |
| 23:51.02 | adb | , versions gallium |
| 23:51.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gallium' was found. |
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| 23:55.27 | simonrvn | lalila la la lala |
| 23:55.34 | simonrvn | oops ECHAN |
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