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| 00:02.17 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 00:02.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:02.19 | SerajewelKS | disspate: ^^^ |
| 00:03.11 | disspate | SerajewelKS, superior in terms of percentage of packets captured with lowest CPU load. |
| 00:03.26 | SerajewelKS | disspate: hmm, i don't even see libncap in debian |
| 00:03.38 | jhamlin | how again to I search for the package that provides the command "foo"? |
| 00:03.46 | SerajewelKS | disspate: not in lenny anyway. it is in squeeze. |
| 00:03.57 | SerajewelKS | jhamlin: apt-file or use packages.debian.org |
| 00:04.05 | jhamlin | SerajewelKS: many thanks |
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| 00:05.08 | SerajewelKS | disspate: libncap looks tailored to IP traffic exclusively, for example it will reassemble fragmented packets |
| 00:05.27 | SerajewelKS | disspate: which means libpcap is surely faster, but is also lower-level |
| 00:05.40 | disspate | SerajewelKS, right. but i'm wondering about the PF_RING kernel driver also. |
| 00:05.47 | capitan | how often is /etc/aliases read/updated by exim? |
| 00:06.00 | capitan | or is it read on an as-needed basis? |
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| 00:06.35 | disspate | SerajewelKS, really? libncap can't capture raw ethernet? |
| 00:06.38 | Titan8990 | capitan: IIRC, the manpage mentions a command that works as a replacement for sendmail's "newaliases" |
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| 00:07.15 | capitan | Titan8990, you lost me ;) i don't know what newaliases is :P |
| 00:07.28 | SerajewelKS | disspate: no |
| 00:07.54 | disspate | SerajewelKS, strange. libpcap seems to be able to. |
| 00:07.57 | Titan8990 | capitan: runs a Makefile which rebuilds sendmail's alias tables |
| 00:08.00 | capitan | i'm trying to programmatically map email addresses... i'm trying to figure out if the best approach is to populate the /etc/aliases with a TON of entries... or to pipe it |
| 00:08.38 | SerajewelKS | disspate: why is that strange? libncap is a different library with different goals. |
| 00:08.58 | SerajewelKS | disspate: rather, it does *capture* ethernet frames, but it extracts the payload only from IP-type frames and discards the rest. |
| 00:09.07 | capitan | Titan8990, ohhhhh... so that implies that you need to run a command to update it... which means the mappings are probably stored in some efficient manner, correct? |
| 00:09.24 | capitan | Titan8990, do you know if they're stored to some kind of DB, or just held in some data structure in memory? |
| 00:09.55 | Titan8990 | capitan: its discussed in the manpages... possibly invoke-rc.d exim4 reload |
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| 00:10.06 | capitan | Titan8990, gotcha... thanks |
| 00:10.06 | disspate | SerajewelKS, I guess what I am looking for is libpcap running with the PF_RING kernel driver. |
| 00:10.12 | capitan | i just realized there's a #exim :) |
| 00:10.20 | capitan | let's see if it's alive :) |
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| 00:10.50 | SerajewelKS | disspate: i think libncap and nCap are different things |
| 00:10.58 | SerajewelKS | disspate: perhaps you are speaking of nCap? |
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| 00:11.56 | disspate | SerajewelKS, yes, nCap is what i was researching earlier. i am quite confused on all of this. |
| 00:12.38 | SerajewelKS | disspate: it looks to me like two projects both related to packet capture have chosen the same name. should be fun to watch. |
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| 00:13.48 | disspate | SerajewelKS, and what about PF_RING? it's not clear to me how that ties into libpcap and nCap. is that a separate project also? |
| 00:14.09 | jhamlin | is it true that xlock and xlockmore are not in lenny? what is a proper way to lock the screen (preferably with screensaver)? |
| 00:14.33 | SerajewelKS | disspate: PF_RING looks like a kernel feature that nCap makes use of to accelerate packet sniffing and transmission |
| 00:14.41 | amphi | jhamlin: xtrlock is nice, but no screensaver |
| 00:15.00 | amphi | jhamlin: I have a keybinding to switch to an empty workspace and run xtrloxk |
| 00:15.45 | disspate | SerajewelKS, right. it is supposedly used by libpcap as well for 'legacy' applications. |
| 00:16.07 | SerajewelKS | disspate: could be |
| 00:16.25 | disspate | SerajewelKS, i'm wondering if i compile a kernel with the PF_RING feature, libpcap will use it automatically. |
| 00:17.03 | SerajewelKS | disspate: you'd have to try that yourself |
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| 00:17.31 | jhamlin | amphi: thanks |
| 00:17.31 | wcs | hi people :D |
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| 00:18.01 | wcs | a question: I'm upgrading my debian to sid... |
| 00:18.28 | amphi | jhamlin: the crudeness of the cursor is part of xtrlock's charm, IMHO ;) |
| 00:18.33 | wcs | and I wan't to know.... what I can spect from it? |
| 00:18.45 | SerajewelKS | wcs: the answer is, if you don't know, don't upgrade |
| 00:20.29 | wcs | actually, now I'm on squeeze, and I want to know what is comming |
| 00:20.57 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.02 | ExtremeDpup | Hey, check out a new linux distro called dpup. It's debian compatible, boots from CD & runs entirely in RAM (100mb) no need to install anything. And it saves your data to a save file on hd, usb, or cd. Packed with many useful applications and links to debian repositories. |
| 00:21.05 | wcs | the question is, if is really 'unstable', or is usable? |
| 00:21.42 | SerajewelKS | wcs: unstable doesn't mean "crashes," it means "constantly changing" |
| 00:21.56 | wcs | I know |
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| 00:22.11 | wcs | that's the reason for my question |
| 00:22.22 | SerajewelKS | wcs: it's usable if you know your way around the package manager and know how to back out of an upgrade that left your system unusable |
| 00:22.34 | adb | ExtremeDpup, you are offtopic |
| 00:22.37 | SerajewelKS | wcs: if you just want newer packages, backport them or something |
| 00:22.45 | SerajewelKS | adb: i doubt they care |
| 00:22.55 | SerajewelKS | !ops ExtremeDpup spam? |
| 00:22.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: serajewelks complains about: ExtremeDpup spam |
| 00:23.14 | mentor | ExtremeDpup: Don't do that |
| 00:23.16 | ExtremeDpup | no spam, just a brillian debian compatible distro. |
| 00:23.31 | LoRez | yeah, don't spam. |
| 00:24.43 | ExtremeDpup | If you think that's spam, then you might as well call every other application spam if anyone mentions it |
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| 00:25.03 | laurus | Is Debian Squeeze usable for a Desktop/Laptop system? |
| 00:25.03 | adb | ExtremeDpup, try debirf , do the same or better .. |
| 00:25.05 | disspate | we should have CAPTCHAs for these chat rooms to block these spam bots |
| 00:25.05 | SerajewelKS | oh this should be fun |
| 00:25.07 | LoRez | when it's unsolicitied, yes, we do. |
| 00:25.27 | SerajewelKS | laurus: i use it on my laptop. it's usually usable... |
| 00:25.28 | amphi | laurus: it's been working well here for months, on a thinkpad |
| 00:25.55 | amphi | laurus: a few small hiccoughs now and again, but nothing major |
| 00:26.02 | laurus | Great :) So question #2: Will the transition from testing to stable be seamless, or will I need to reinstall once Squeeze is stable? |
| 00:26.08 | disspate | ExtremeDpup, is that certified compatible? |
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| 00:26.18 | wcs | squeeze is 'from my point of view' more usefull than lenny |
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| 00:26.27 | LoRez | laurus: are you pointing at squeeze or testing? |
| 00:26.34 | amphi | laurus: not if you put 'squeeze' in your sources.list, rather than 'testing' |
| 00:26.37 | ExtremeDpup | disspate, it's built from debian binaries. Yes it's compatible. |
| 00:26.42 | laurus | Ok, great :) |
| 00:26.46 | laurus | I'll try Squeeze then! |
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| 00:27.04 | amphi | laurus: if you have 'testing' you'll continue to track testing after squeeze becomes stable |
| 00:27.12 | laurus | amphi, I see :) Hehe |
| 00:27.25 | wcs | try it n_n |
| 00:27.30 | laurus | I wish I had the time/knowledge to contribute to squeeze, I saw it's behind schedule... |
| 00:27.36 | disspate | amphi, how stable is squeeze right now? |
| 00:27.47 | wcs | disspate: very stable |
| 00:28.04 | adb | !tell ExtremeDpup -about debian based |
| 00:28.08 | amphi | disspate: working well here |
| 00:28.19 | disspate | wcs, what were some of the problem packages? |
| 00:28.23 | wcs | I'm ussing it right now, and without crashes |
| 00:29.04 | amphi | it's never crashed - there was a phase when one of the kernels and X didn't seem to like each other here, on intel |
| 00:29.11 | wcs | o_o |
| 00:29.24 | amphi | wcs: 'trunk' |
| 00:29.36 | wcs | no pachages promblems here... |
| 00:30.22 | disspate | amphi, i heard X is in a simply terrible state. when is X getting replaced? |
| 00:30.39 | mentor | never |
| 00:30.53 | amphi | disspate: since some time, it's been working very nicely here |
| 00:31.03 | mentor | X is a protocol that has maintained binary compatibility from the mid 80s |
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| 00:31.21 | amphi | disspate: or did you mean 'upgraded'? |
| 00:31.22 | mentor | If it ever goes away, then there will be aeropigs |
| 00:31.24 | disspate | mentor, isnt't that why it is choke full of hacks? |
| 00:31.34 | wcs | X is a standard for unix stations, I don't think something replacing X in a very looong time :P |
| 00:32.07 | disspate | mentor, oh nevermind, i guess X isn't going away, but it is getting a rewrite or something, i hope. |
| 00:32.13 | amphi | there was once talk of Y, and berlin, but they vanished |
| 00:32.26 | wcs | maybe a better sever for X |
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| 00:33.09 | mentor | The X protocol is entirely extensible, and I haven't yet seen a problem that someone motivated hasn;t solved |
| 00:33.32 | mentor | Indeed some nutter implemented multiple input using core events |
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| 00:46.46 | jhamlin_ | I did `xscreensaver-command -lock` and my screen locks nicely and screensaver comes on. But when I move mouse or type, the screensaver freezes and the login screen doesnt show up. How can I log back in without just holding down the power button and rebooting?? |
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| 00:50.36 | adb | Ctrl+ Alt+ Backspace , should works |
| 00:50.54 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: hmm. I'm gonna guess that xscreensaver is not playing nice with whatever dm you are using |
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| 00:51.06 | Titan8990 | or ctrl+alt+f1; login; killall X |
| 00:51.09 | macrobat | I can't unpause ncmpcpp :) |
| 00:51.29 | macrobat | jhamlin_: can't you enter the passwd? |
| 00:51.30 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: rather than using xscreensaver-command you might want to look into using a special kde or gnome command, or whatever dm you're using |
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| 00:52.21 | macrobat | are the kde and gnome savers better than xscreensaver? |
| 00:53.25 | zinx | macrobat: generally, they are the same as xscreensaver |
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| 00:54.38 | jhamlin_ | Vasistha: macrobat no keysequences whatsoever had any effect at all. Had to power button :( |
| 00:55.12 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: neither ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f1 huh? that's a shame. |
| 00:55.19 | jhamlin_ | Hmmmm but now I need to find a way to lock my screen with screensaver that doesn't force me to powercycle/reboot each time |
| 00:55.22 | jhamlin_ | Vasistha: nome |
| 00:55.23 | jhamlin_ | nope |
| 00:55.28 | macrobat | jhamlin_: you could perhaps go to another ttty. ctrl-alt-f2 and killall xscrensaver |
| 00:55.44 | amphi | the screen lock would not be much use if you could just zap it or switch vts |
| 00:56.04 | jhamlin_ | macrobat: was totally unresponsive to ctrl-alt-f* |
| 00:56.11 | amphi | jhamlin_: xtrlock will be kind to you ;) |
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| 00:57.25 | jhamlin_ | Arg damn now I installed some gnome components and now xdm decided to make gnome default... |
| 00:57.46 | macrobat | jhamlin_: maybe xlockmore or xlockmore-gl |
| 00:57.57 | jhamlin_ | amphi: can I have a screensaver with xtrlock or does it just blank the screen |
| 00:58.11 | jhamlin_ | macrobat: as far as I can tell xlockmore is no longer in debian... |
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| 00:59.01 | macrobat | i see it in sid/main, but i havent updated today |
| 00:59.13 | macrobat | ,versions xlockmore |
| 00:59.15 | judd | xlockmore -- sid: 1:5.27-1 |
| 00:59.24 | macrobat | ok :) |
| 00:59.38 | macrobat | i thought that app was really old |
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| 01:21.29 | Drakeson | how can I install debian using debian live cd? |
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| 01:29.00 | dkg | why might I choose to work with debian in lieu of ubuntu? |
| 01:29.10 | Titan8990 | !why debian |
| 01:29.10 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 01:29.26 | xuser | jhamlin_: .xsession ? |
| 01:29.37 | xuser | Drakeson: there's a live cd? |
| 01:30.16 | dkg | Titan8990: I was hoping for a more direct comparison with ubuntu |
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| 01:33.21 | xuser | dkg: make the comparison yourself? |
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| 01:34.29 | peterrooney | dkg: try /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 01:34.41 | dkg | peterrooney: thanks. |
| 01:35.14 | Supaplex | !live |
| 01:35.14 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:35.24 | Supaplex | xuser: ^^^ |
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| 01:39.28 | xuser | Supaplex: neat |
| 01:40.09 | Supaplex | a few tiny bits of my handwork make it in that project. very handy stuff. |
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| 02:00.03 | laurus | What is the best way to install Xfce on Debian Squeeze from the beginning of the install? |
| 02:00.44 | laurus | I read somewhere that for Lenny the best way was to press "tab" at the start of the install and type "desktop=xfce", is that still the case? |
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| 02:04.19 | initq | allo allo |
| 02:04.44 | initq | anyone have sources for debian lenny 64 for zfs? |
| 02:05.09 | Titan8990 | laurus: debian does not have a task for xfce. You just need to install the xfce4 package |
| 02:05.17 | Titan8990 | laurus: you may also want xfce4-goodies |
| 02:05.27 | laurus | Titan8990, what about the "desktop=xfce" thing? |
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| 02:05.54 | Titan8990 | laurus: never heard about it, where did you read it? |
| 02:06.10 | laurus | Titan8990, http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 02:06.51 | laurus | Also, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#pkgsel |
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| 02:07.51 | Titan8990 | laurus: good to know, thanks |
| 02:08.10 | laurus | Titan8990, you're welcome! :) |
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| 02:09.34 | Drakeson | how do I mount ext4? |
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| 02:10.53 | adb | zfsext4 |
| 02:10.59 | adb | !ext4 |
| 02:10.59 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:13.10 | adb | !ext2 |
| 02:13.10 | dpkg | hmm... ext2 is the second extended filesystem. http://e2fsprogs.sf.net/ext2.html See also <ext3>, <resize2fs>, <ext2fsd>, <ext2ifs>. |
| 02:13.15 | adb | !ext1 |
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| 02:17.48 | WormFood | anyone have a clue as to why I get no sound out of vlc? I've tried all the different sound output options, and googled my ass off, with no help. |
| 02:18.10 | macrobat | abd ext1 is minix, iirc |
| 02:18.27 | adb | macrobat, thx |
| 02:19.21 | adb | !minix |
| 02:19.21 | dpkg | i guess minix is at http://www.minix3.org, or ask me about <tanenbaum v torvalds>. |
| 02:19.55 | amphi | wow, version 3? |
| 02:20.21 | macrobat | "The standard configuration requires 16 MB of RAM" |
| 02:22.20 | adb | !ext1 |
| 02:22.20 | dpkg | i guess ext1 is macrobat, abd ext1 is minix, iirc |
| 02:22.59 | macrobat | that one needs polish |
| 02:23.14 | adb | heh |
| 02:23.23 | macrobat | like <macrobat> |
| 02:24.19 | adb | !ext1 |
| 02:24.19 | dpkg | from memory, ext1 is <macrobat>, <adb> ext1 is minix, iirc |
| 02:24.43 | macrobat | haha, too much |
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| 02:25.47 | macrobat | i should be more bold in my statements and cut down on the maybe/perhaps/iirc |
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| 02:30.18 | Vasistha | adb, macrobat what on earth are you making such a factoid for? |
| 02:30.36 | laurus | I'm installing Debian Squeeze using the Alpha 1 installer. I just got an Error after choosing to write the partition information to the disk saying: "Error informing the kernel about modifications to /dev/sda2 - Device or resource busy." what does this mean? |
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| 02:31.05 | laurus | I can choose Ignore or Cancel... it says sda2 will not know about any changes before rebooting, so I shouldn't use it before rebooting... |
| 02:31.14 | macrobat | who cleans up the factoids? |
| 02:31.26 | Vasistha | laurus: I don't really know, but you'll probably have an easier time by simply installing stable and then upgrading to squeeze |
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| 02:31.53 | laurus | Vasistha, should I just press Ignore and keep going? :p |
| 02:32.20 | amphi | laurus: so reboot before you do anything with sda2 |
| 02:32.30 | Vasistha | laurus: it may mean that it wants to update the partition table on sda, but sda is busy and can't be remounted, and so changes to the partition table won't be seen and ... uh, things could get messy. |
| 02:32.33 | laurus | amphi, I'm not even sure what is going to be on sda2 |
| 02:32.41 | laurus | Hmm... I guess I could just restart now, right? |
| 02:32.46 | laurus | And then choose to use the existing partitions? |
| 02:32.47 | Vasistha | yeah, that would be a good idea. |
| 02:32.52 | amphi | laurus: I think it just means the kernel couldn't be persuaded to reread the partition table |
| 02:33.01 | amphi | laurus: right |
| 02:33.03 | laurus | amphi yeah that makes sense |
| 02:33.05 | laurus | Ok, restarting now :) |
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| 02:33.38 | laurus | Oh weird, I pressed Cancel, but it's still partitioning |
| 02:33.53 | laurus | Wonder what would have happened if I pressed Ignore :P |
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| 02:34.12 | slidesinger | Small issue with ls that is probably me. ls -ld only lists . as a directory, though I have nine directories. ls -l | grep <dir name> returns exactly the same permissions: drwxr-xr-x What am I missing? |
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| 02:34.43 | amphi | eh? while you fiddle about with your scheme, nothing else happens; when you write out the new partition table, it takes almost no time at all |
| 02:35.10 | Vasistha | slidesinger: well if you want to use ls -ld * then you'll get more of a listing. Have you done man ls to see what the -d option is for? it is acting as designed. |
| 02:35.22 | laurus | Woah, uh oh, it started installing the base system already |
| 02:36.00 | laurus | Interesting, must be just a bug in the installer or something |
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| 02:36.28 | Vasistha | laurus: or maybe the kernel eventually reported back that it did reread the partition table? who knows? |
| 02:36.43 | laurus | Vasistha, yeah, I just wonder what the difference between Ignore and Cancel in that warning dialog was :P |
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| 02:37.06 | laurus | I think the issue was related to the swap partition anyway, not the main partition, so it probably wasn't a big issue anyway. |
| 02:37.14 | Vasistha | laurus: usually ignore means proceed, ignoring the warning; whereas cancel means stop. But it seems to have ignored your cancel request :) |
| 02:37.25 | laurus | Ok :) Hehe |
| 02:37.57 | slidesinger | Vasistha: Yes. It says that -d lists directory entries. Would that not include all the directories? |
| 02:38.29 | slidesinger | In one case it only lists manuals |
| 02:38.37 | Vasistha | slidesinger: it lists directory entries for the directories you have requested to be listed. If you requested to list the current directory, then it will list the directory entry for that |
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| 02:42.51 | jhamlin | how would I set up a command that runs alsamixer in a terminal of it's own and kills the terminal when I exit out of alsamix? |
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| 02:44.03 | Titan8990 | jhamlin: most terminals support -e for executing a command. whether or not it will exit after I couldn't say |
| 02:44.40 | Vasistha | jhamlin: #!bin/bash alsamixer; exit; -- but to make it exit you will need to source the script. source scriptname. |
| 02:45.20 | Vasistha | jhamlin: ohhh... but you also want it to create its own new terminal... not quite sure how to do that. |
| 02:45.37 | slidesinger | ls -ld * lists everything, directory or not. |
| 02:45.56 | Vasistha | slidesinger: ls -ld */ |
| 02:47.05 | jhamlin | cool thanks folks. Trying to go for lightweight fluxbox system doing stuff like using alsamixer instead of the KDE volume control |
| 02:48.31 | slidesinger | That did it, one other question, why don't all my directories show blue? Most do, but some do not. |
| 02:48.52 | Vasistha | slidesinger: hmm, maybe different permissions? |
| 02:49.02 | macrobat | jhamlin: you could set up something like xbindkeys to let amixer change volume with keypresses |
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| 02:49.26 | slidesinger | perms are the same drwxr-xr-x |
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| 02:49.37 | jhamlin | macrobat: good call |
| 02:50.33 | Vasistha | slidesinger: that's odd. Does ls -ldF give them a similar appearance? |
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| 02:52.06 | Vasistha | slidesinger: perhaps they are mount points and you don't have read access on the device or something strange like that, even though the FS shows access? If you pastebin ls -ld */ maybe we can get some insight |
| 02:52.23 | slidesinger | Lists only four of the nine |
| 02:52.30 | slidesinger | OK, will do |
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| 02:53.10 | elik | so, erm, how come there is nspluginwrapper in lenny and sid, but not in squeeze? |
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| 02:53.51 | simonrvn | !why isn't ndiswrapper in testing |
| 02:53.52 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ndiswrapper |
| 02:55.35 | elik | simonrvn, wow, dpkg is turing complete! |
| 02:56.15 | simonrvn | nah, just substiution variables ;) |
| 02:56.53 | simonrvn | stit* |
| 02:57.55 | elik | simonrvn, yeah yeah, got that. So I could install it on my squeeze machine, if it was amd64 |
| 02:59.01 | simonrvn | *shrug* - i didn't go look, i'm running an update on a slow box (this one). |
| 03:00.03 | simonrvn | sec |
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| 03:00.17 | simonrvn | supposed to be there |
| 03:00.27 | simonrvn | ,versions ndiswrapper |
| 03:00.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ndiswrapper' was found. |
| 03:00.41 | Titan8990 | ,versions ndiswrapper-common |
| 03:00.42 | Supaplex | !why isn't supper in testing |
| 03:00.42 | dpkg | supper is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=supper |
| 03:00.43 | judd | ndiswrapper-common -- etch: 1.28-1+etch1; etch-security: 1.28-1+etch1; lenny: 1.53-2; sid: 1.56-1; squeeze: 1.56-1 |
| 03:00.46 | simonrvn | uh, sorry |
| 03:00.56 | simonrvn | ,versions nspluginwrapper |
| 03:00.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nspluginwrapper' was found. |
| 03:01.12 | simonrvn | my mistake |
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| 03:01.39 | Titan8990 | uhh, so what were we actually looking for? hehe |
| 03:01.54 | simonrvn | nspluginwrapper |
| 03:01.59 | elik | simonrvn, hehe, it's ok |
| 03:02.10 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: deprecated maybe? |
| 03:02.17 | simonrvn | been staring at a crappy font for 2 hours |
| 03:02.32 | elik | simonrvn, I don't actually need it, I just saw the gap between lenny and sid and wondered how that could happen |
| 03:03.03 | simonrvn | you can fetch sid's if you like. this *is* squeeze, won't matter. |
| 03:04.05 | elik | simonrvn, squeeze==sid??? or for this package, the versions are the same? |
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| 03:05.35 | slidesinger | Vasistha: Found it. My fault, different environment in two different xterms. Fixed. Thank you. |
| 03:06.02 | simonrvn | no, not equal at all. but glibc and other libs are the same or very close |
| 03:06.22 | simonrvn | often anyway |
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| 03:14.25 | laurus | Has anyone else had trouble connecting to a hidden wireless network with WICD 1.7.0? |
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| 03:33.45 | laurus | Oh, it works now, cool. |
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| 03:37.31 | siri1 | !help |
| 03:37.51 | siri1 | !info |
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| 03:38.30 | simonrvn | siri1: hello |
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| 03:39.59 | siri1 | simonrvn: hi.. |
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| 03:40.27 | siri1 | simonrvn: is there any bot here? |
| 03:40.46 | simonrvn | yes. usually. what's up? |
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| 03:42.41 | siri1 | simonrvn: my question was old one ! to upgrade to kde4.4 and i m currently using kde3.5 in debian lenny |
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| 03:43.55 | simonrvn | lenny won't ever kde 4 |
| 03:44.00 | simonrvn | ever get* |
| 03:45.26 | pab | will squeeze get to 4.4? |
| 03:45.32 | simonrvn | in debian, stable really means stable |
| 03:45.43 | simonrvn | ask the #debian-kde people |
| 03:45.47 | simonrvn | !debian-kde |
| 03:45.49 | pab | k |
| 03:45.52 | simonrvn | oh damn |
| 03:46.01 | simonrvn | ravenbird: debian-kde |
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| 03:46.08 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:46.21 | simonrvn | ravenbird: yeh yeh |
| 03:46.23 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I give up, what is it? |
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| 03:49.04 | simonrvn | dpkg should be here soon |
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| 03:50.52 | siri1_ | simonrvn: i m running "apt-get upgrade kde" to version it will uograde now and it started to download 241MB |
| 03:51.07 | simonrvn | what did you do? |
| 03:51.18 | siri1_ | simonrvn: to which version it is going to upgrade now?? |
| 03:51.37 | simonrvn | tell me what you did |
| 03:51.45 | siri1_ | simonrvn: i m running "apt-get upgrade kde" in terminal |
| 03:52.02 | siri1_ | simonrvn: shall i pastebin it? |
| 03:52.22 | simonrvn | you did something else before - yes do, thanks |
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| 03:59.45 | siri1_ | simonrvn: pastebin is still working! i first typed 'apt-get update' |
| 04:00.41 | siri1_ | simonrvn: and then apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:01.29 | siri1_ | simonrvn: it asked to run 'apt-get -f install' which removed some packages that i tried to install |
| 04:02.06 | siri1_ | simonrvn: after removing those ..i m running "apt-get upgrade kde" |
| 04:03.10 | siri1_ | simonrvn: while pasting in pastebin and submitting i got a file called post.php how to show this to you? |
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| 04:06.07 | siri1_ | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/CBeKpvMh here it is |
| 04:08.04 | simonrvn | ah ok. i see. you had some broken stuff i guess, so it's installing updates. you'll still have kde 3.x there |
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| 04:10.04 | siri1_ | simonrvn: ok..so there is no case of getting kde4.4 in debian lenny in which i m using |
| 04:11.26 | SerajewelKS | ,versions kdelibs4 |
| 04:11.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kdelibs4' was found. |
| 04:11.29 | SerajewelKS | ,versions kdelibs5 |
| 04:11.30 | judd | kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; sid: 4:4.3.4-3; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-3; experimental: 4:4.4.2-1 |
| 04:11.47 | SerajewelKS | siri1_: 4.4 isn't even in sid yet, just experimental |
| 04:12.13 | siri1_ | SerajewelKS: oh i see.. |
| 04:13.03 | siri1_ | SerajewelKS: thanks for all your support simonrvn |
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| 04:15.45 | sobersabre | hi, I switched CPU+MoBo on my server from AMD to Intel Core 2 Duo. |
| 04:15.58 | sobersabre | how do I monitor temperature of the CPU ? |
| 04:16.16 | Rapsodius | !stupid bor |
| 04:16.17 | Rapsodius | !stupid bot |
| 04:16.28 | Rapsodius | are they fixing dpkg? |
| 04:16.35 | Rapsodius | looks like inactive |
| 04:16.42 | Rapsodius | ,versions libc6 |
| 04:16.45 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 04:16.54 | Rapsodius | judd seems normal |
| 04:17.16 | sobersabre | I have an old "script" I wrote very long ago. it does a "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature", which now stopped working. |
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| 04:17.43 | Rapsodius | sobersabre: aptitude install acpid acpi-support |
| 04:18.22 | sobersabre | ok, I'll see what they do. thanks. |
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| 04:26.11 | glick | tricks downloads? |
| 04:26.36 | Bop | hmm ie7 only |
| 04:26.52 | Bop | no, a script winetricks, that can install it for you |
| 04:27.05 | Bop | but the top version is ie7 |
| 04:27.08 | Bop | not 8 |
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| 04:29.06 | glick | im trying to access a damn SAP website and they are notorialosy windows only |
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| 04:47.05 | kdasdasf | weiss jemand zufaellig wie die steuer heisst die man zahlen muss wenn man aus der kirche ausgetreten ist? |
| 04:47.16 | kdasdasf | dann ist das ja nichtmehr die kirchensteuer sondern irgendeine ersatzsteuer |
| 04:47.18 | kdasdasf | wie heisst die? |
| 04:49.13 | adb | !de |
| 04:49.45 | kdasdasf | oh sorry wanted to join .de |
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| 04:53.58 | squisher | is there a good way of switching the default python version? |
| 04:55.07 | Bop | switching to what ? |
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| 04:55.56 | kakashi_ | hi |
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| 04:56.53 | kakashi_ | I want to install g++-4.2 on my system |
| 04:56.55 | sevenop | squisher: I'd look at update-alternatives ... |
| 04:57.03 | nevyn | Bop: I assume squisher means between 2.2 and 2.3 type switching |
| 04:57.08 | kakashi_ | I am using squeeze on my system |
| 04:57.18 | kakashi_ | how can I install g++4.2 now? |
| 04:57.20 | nevyn | sevenop: and update-alternatives is (probably) your friend |
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| 04:59.12 | kakashi_ | any ideas on downgrading g++ ? |
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| 05:08.58 | laurus | Which is better, Pidgin or Empathy? I'm on Xfce. |
| 05:09.15 | Bop | dont know empathy |
| 05:09.27 | Bop | pidgin is cool , lots of protocols |
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| 05:09.42 | laurus | Bop: It seems Empathy has replaced Pidgin in GNOME, that's why I was asking |
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| 05:10.12 | Bop | but if u are minimalist like i am , u can check bitlebee, aka using msn in your x-chat |
| 05:10.19 | laurus | Hehe wow |
| 05:10.24 | laurus | I want to use Pidgin for IRC actually ;) |
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| 05:10.33 | Bop | lol dont do that :x |
| 05:10.36 | laurus | Hehe why? |
| 05:10.46 | Bop | pidgin if miles away from xchat |
| 05:10.59 | tenzind | hi, I am using Debian Squeeze with grub2. What should i configure so that when Debian boots, the boot process screen gets a lower resolution such as 640x480. |
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| 05:28.12 | squisher | sevenop, I know about update-alternatives, but the python symlink is owned by python-minimal - wouldn't that get overwritten on update? |
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| 05:31.04 | Tanami | hi all |
| 05:31.32 | Tanami | how would I delete libraries that I installed to /usr/local/lib without breaking anything else? |
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| 05:35.32 | peterrooney | Tanami: what would rm break? |
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| 05:37.42 | Tanami | well I noticed that libraries in /usr/lib were pointing to ones in /usr/local/lib |
| 05:37.51 | Tanami | or is that irrelevant |
| 05:38.05 | sauvin | It depends entirely on what USES those libs. |
| 05:38.29 | Vasistha | Tanami: if you installed the libraries with dpkg, like you always should, then you would remove them with dpkg |
| 05:38.53 | Tanami | by manually installed |
| 05:38.57 | Tanami | I meant compiled from source |
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| 05:39.40 | Vasistha | Tanami: when you do that, it's not that difficult to create a .deb and install that instead of e.g. "make install" |
| 05:40.01 | Tanami | I didn't know that at the time |
| 05:40.18 | sauvin | What kinds of things did you compile? |
| 05:40.33 | Tanami | it was libgthread and libgnome-2-0 |
| 05:40.41 | Tanami | to satiate gimp 2.7's needs |
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| 05:41.37 | sauvin | libgthread and libgnome-2-0, along with gimp 2.7, is ALL you installed behind dpkg's back? |
| 05:41.56 | Tanami | I just updated everything, and now when I run certain gtk programs, iceweasel pidgin etc, it comes up with g_malloc_n errors |
| 05:42.00 | Tanami | yes |
| 05:42.22 | sauvin | Erm, I didn't know about 'update'. I don't know how to help. |
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| 05:43.03 | Vasistha | Tanami: when you say you "updated" everything, do you mean you used aptitude to do an update and upgrade? |
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| 05:43.09 | Tanami | synaptic |
| 05:43.20 | Tanami | mark all upgrades |
| 05:43.22 | Tanami | etc |
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| 05:46.40 | schmack | how can i get the IP for AP ? |
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| 06:01.36 | Vasistha | schmack: huh? you mean, for an access point? In a network with multiple access points? I'm not sure if there is a reliable way |
| 06:01.45 | schmack | yes |
| 06:01.46 | ChrisW1 | dpkg -i filename.deb the right way to install a .deb? |
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| 06:03.09 | Vasistha | ChrisW1: yeah |
| 06:03.13 | schmack | Vasistha: why? |
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| 06:04.26 | Vasistha | schmack: it's really a question for ##networking but I can have a guess at it |
| 06:04.39 | Tanami | mm |
| 06:04.41 | Tanami | problem fixed |
| 06:04.51 | Tanami | rm -rf /usr/local/lib/* |
| 06:05.10 | Tanami | it shouldn't have worked, but it did |
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| 06:05.46 | Vasistha | schmack: as far as I know (and I am not very knowledgable in this subject) an access point is responsible only for getting you connected to the router / gateway / network. It's not responsible for telling you information about the network structure, so it may not do that. |
| 06:06.05 | schmack | ok |
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| 06:09.59 | ChrisW1 | thanks |
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| 06:10.58 | Vasistha | Tanami: I definitely would have recommended checking all the files to make sure they weren't a part of installed packages before just deleting them |
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| 06:12.26 | Tanami | Vasistha: I backed them up first |
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| 06:17.22 | buntfalke | What's "SONAME bump"? (context is package updates) |
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| 06:18.56 | buntfalke | change of api, mostly? |
| 06:20.39 | sauvin | "bump" sometimes means "incremented value" |
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| 06:26.47 | ChrisW1 | I see locate vanished somewhere along the way, what should I use in its place now? |
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| 06:30.39 | C2H5OH | hi, is it possible to migrate from Ubuntu to Debian Sid without reinstalling? |
| 06:30.52 | Jck_True | How do a i move a binary so it can be executed by the user? |
| 06:31.01 | Jck_True | (Right now only "sudo ngircd" works) |
| 06:31.23 | ChrisW1 | Jck_True: chmod go+x ngircd |
| 06:31.36 | Jck_True | That's not the problem |
| 06:31.52 | Jck_True | It's bash saying "command not found" if i just enter "ngircd" |
| 06:32.11 | ChrisW1 | how did you install it? |
| 06:32.16 | Jck_True | apt-get |
| 06:32.24 | ChrisW1 | and what is it? |
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| 06:32.28 | DogBoy | ircd |
| 06:32.32 | Jck_True | It's a small IRCd |
| 06:32.40 | DogBoy | I use it myself |
| 06:33.15 | DogBoy | so you want to run it as standalone? |
| 06:33.33 | Jck_True | Yup... |
| 06:33.53 | Jck_True | Just wondering why i can't run "ngircd" alone from the command prompt |
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| 06:34.15 | Jck_True | /usr/local/sbin/ngircd |
| 06:34.37 | DogBoy | stuff in sbin is for root eh |
| 06:34.59 | Jck_True | I hate being a linux noob :) |
| 06:35.20 | DogBoy | it would have to be on your path for one thing |
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| 06:36.09 | DogBoy | does it run if you use the full path |
| 06:36.39 | Jck_True | DogBoy: Yes it does |
| 06:37.07 | Jck_True | I'm just 100% sure it gets added to the standart user path by default |
| 06:37.24 | Jck_True | I guessed I screwed something up... Thanks for helping |
| 06:37.38 | DogBoy | well you can't have it both ways |
| 06:37.50 | DogBoy | I mean I guess you can but it don't make sense |
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| 06:39.00 | Jck_True | presses the "all-powerfull-rebuild-vm" button |
| 06:39.27 | DogBoy | whatever |
| 06:39.35 | Jck_True | Thanks |
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| 06:59.05 | telmich | good morning |
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| 07:00.16 | telmich | I'm a bit confused regarding the package naming: I see <name>-<origversion>-<debianversion>, but also <name>-<origversion>-<debianname (like lenny)>-<debianversion>; what's the reason for the extraname? |
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| 07:00.26 | joules2 | what does debian rescue actually do? |
| 07:00.39 | telmich | like acpid (1.0.8-1lenny2) vs. acpi-support (0.109-11) |
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| 07:01.47 | WormFood | anyone have a clue as to why I get no sound out of vlc? I've tried all the different sound output options, and googled my ass off, with no help. |
| 07:02.41 | ryan-c | help, |
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| 07:03.56 | Vasistha | WormFood: does sound work elsewhere? |
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| 07:05.07 | ryan-c | help, x thinks my Super key is pressed |
| 07:05.08 | WormFood | Vasistha, yes, sound works perfectly everywhere else (I should have mentioned that before) |
| 07:05.56 | C2H5OH | hi, is it possible to migrate from Ubuntu to Debian Sid without reinstalling? |
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| 07:06.22 | WormFood | C2H5OH, if you have to ask that, then maybe you're not ready for sid :P |
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| 07:06.35 | Vasistha | WormFood: you'd probably be better off asking in #videolan |
| 07:06.36 | C2H5OH | ahem ¬¬ |
| 07:06.54 | C2H5OH | WormFood: I've been using Debian Sid for five years |
| 07:06.57 | WormFood | thanks Vasistha |
| 07:07.07 | C2H5OH | I just can't handle Ubuntu |
| 07:07.22 | WormFood | heh...I didn't care for ubuntu either |
| 07:07.26 | C2H5OH | (is my machine at work, and they told me I could do whatever I wanted to it) |
| 07:07.42 | C2H5OH | but reinstalling is a pain |
| 07:07.56 | WormFood | reinstall the packages you have, and keep the user directory, and I'd expect most things to work |
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| 07:09.53 | C2H5OH | WormFood: ok, thanks :-) |
| 07:10.41 | WormFood | C2H5OH, be aware, that debian likes to split up some packages....I ran into problems with that, when I upgraded to testing |
| 07:11.24 | WormFood | I've run sid for many years too...why do you think I call that the "unusable branch" ;) |
| 07:11.51 | C2H5OH | I'll be aware ;-) |
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| 07:25.35 | schmack | how can i get the ip address of some access point, i'm connected to internet via wifi (cnetworkmanager), with what? |
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| 07:28.37 | Vasistha | schmack: have you asked in ##network ? |
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| 07:30.26 | schmack | Vasistha yes |
| 07:30.28 | schmack | nothing |
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| 07:30.59 | Vasistha | schmack: it's not the best time to be asking. early morning in europe, middle of the night in US |
| 07:31.09 | schmack | hahahhahah |
| 07:31.11 | schmack | yes i know |
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| 07:31.19 | schmack | :))))))) |
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| 07:31.41 | schmack | i know that yes good recemmendation |
| 07:31.42 | schmack | :") |
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| 07:40.10 | d3x | early morning? it's 9:40 :) |
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| 07:40.58 | d3x | schmack, do you want to get an "internal" or "external" ip? |
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| 07:41.19 | stix | Hi guys. I am trying to install debian on a headless box using this guide: http://wiki.soekris.info/Installing_Debian_Linux_5.0. It says I have to edit /etc/default/grub and add some serial-stuff. I don't have a /etc/default/grub - what should I edit in stead? |
| 07:41.25 | schmack | d3x: extarnal ip |
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| 07:41.49 | d3x | schmack, try visiting http://wimi.com :) |
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| 07:42.09 | schmack | no no |
| 07:42.18 | schmack | d3x: haha thanks :) but i mean internal ip |
| 07:42.23 | schmack | im so confused |
| 07:42.31 | d3x | oh :) |
| 07:42.42 | d3x | `ip r` should give you a default route |
| 07:42.51 | d3x | which is most likely through the AP's IP |
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| 07:44.03 | schmack | d3x: but if i have a mac address? |
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| 07:45.27 | schmack | d3x: if i have a mac address for some destination how can i get the ip? |
| 07:45.41 | schmack | my connection is via wifi |
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| 07:46.04 | nevyn | arp knows all! |
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| 07:46.50 | schmack | nevyn: how? |
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| 07:48.01 | nevyn | schmack: arp -a should tell you if your host has talked to the system in question and you're on the local segment |
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| 07:48.59 | crazyfrog | how to configure bluetooth ? |
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| 07:50.33 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: Have you encountered a problem? |
| 07:51.23 | schmack | nevyn: nothing |
| 07:52.21 | crazyfrog | i am not sure where my box recognized my bluetooth device. |
| 07:53.02 | Lacrimas | Hi, im trying to run a perl script every 2 minutes, but its not runnign; can anyone see if there ssomething wrong in the cron structure? 2 * * * * /usr/bin/perl ~/script/update.pl |
| 07:54.03 | crazyfrog | when i run "hcitool scan" :Device is not available |
| 07:55.17 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: What kind of Bluetooth adapter is it? |
| 07:57.09 | crazyfrog | i am not sure |
| 07:57.38 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: What do you know about it? |
| 07:59.08 | crazyfrog | when i run "dmesg|grep -i bluetooth",i can see Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized |
| 08:00.01 | ethanol | Lacrimas: yeah, you fail. this only runs at 2 minutes past every hour |
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| 08:00.16 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: Is it an external USB device or a built-in? |
| 08:00.29 | crazyfrog | built-in |
| 08:00.47 | Lacrimas | oh, would it be */2 or something then? |
| 08:00.56 | ethanol | Lacrimas: bingo |
| 08:01.03 | Lacrimas | sexcellent |
| 08:01.08 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: And on what kind of machine? |
| 08:01.32 | crazyfrog | acer notebook |
| 08:02.27 | EmleyMoor | Not sure what they fit - have you googled (your notebook model) bluetooth linux? |
| 08:02.58 | EmleyMoor | has a Dell that was just a little problematic |
| 08:03.35 | crazyfrog | yes,i have |
| 08:04.46 | milligan__ | subnet 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option routers 192.168.3.1; .... } <- I have a client that connects to this subnet. He gets an IP, but does not get a default GW. Why could that be ? |
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| 08:05.15 | ethanol | milligan__: orly? would you like fries with that? |
| 08:05.42 | milligan__ | Would be nice. Im actually quite hungry :) |
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| 08:11.00 | crazyfrog | EmleyMoor: now i know the bluetooth use Foxconn chip |
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| 08:13.17 | EmleyMoor | crazyfrog: Well, unless there's a guide on the web to making it work, I don't know how you would proceed - mine was very easy to do once I found instructions. |
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| 08:14.23 | ethanol | ok seriously |
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| 08:15.00 | ethanol | "error logging goes to syslog, this is a debian improvement : )" (mysql). how is that an improvement? knife in the face of whoever thought that :< |
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| 08:23.53 | fireba11 | ethanol: hehe |
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| 08:24.13 | tecdroid | hi |
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| 08:26.03 | tecdroid | got a little problem. maybe someone can help? few weeks ago I upgraded my lenny using lenny backports and have several problems now. is there any way to downgrade to lenny standards? |
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| 08:32.06 | EmleyMoor | tecdroid: It's not easy - did you try to put all the backports on? |
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| 08:33.53 | tecdroid | i ran aptitiude -t lenny-backports dist-upgrade |
| 08:34.03 | EmleyMoor | (!) |
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| 08:35.37 | tecdroid | was amistaken -t |
| 08:35.53 | EmleyMoor | Not a great idea - far better to "pick and choose" from them... as to how to go back, you need to search in aptitude for all versions containing bpo - and then in the details, you may be able to choose other versions. No guarantee you haven't hideously broken some things, and it could take you a while to find everything |
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| 08:36.17 | tecdroid | well, I know that - now ^^ |
| 08:36.21 | krion | hi |
| 08:36.45 | EmleyMoor | Exactly what to do, I don't know, but those hints should get you started |
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| 08:40.33 | krisfremen | is there an on screen keyboard in debian?? |
| 08:40.44 | tecdroid | okay.. so reinstall or wait for squeeze |
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| 08:43.53 | E-bola | I have a software raid mirror thats degraded with 1 disk missing (its physically there and working though) and my mdadm process is using 100% cpu of 1 core |
| 08:43.57 | E-bola | but i cant see what its doing |
| 08:44.07 | E-bola | if it was rebuilding i woudl think it would be saying so in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 08:44.08 | JohnNew | when i try to 'sudo gem1.8 install postgres' i get these ruby errors, any idea what is wrong? |
| 08:44.10 | E-bola | this is debian lenny |
| 08:44.21 | JohnNew | http://privatepaste.com/ea2611a95e |
| 08:46.17 | krion | E-bola: what's in your /proc/mdstat |
| 08:47.10 | jelly | JohnNew: no idea about that, but, is there a reason why you don't install libpgsql-ruby? |
| 08:47.28 | E-bola | krion: lemme put it on pastebin |
| 08:47.30 | JohnNew | jelly: no, just folowing a tutorial, would this have the same result? |
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| 08:48.27 | jelly | JohnNew: I don't know. Do you know what you're trying to accomplish? |
| 08:49.11 | E-bola | http://pastebin.com/3L9BMjj0 |
| 08:49.31 | E-bola | i have 2 raids, md0 and md1 md0 works fine (sys partition) md1 has 1 device thats "removed" |
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| 08:50.54 | E-bola | hmm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539154 sounds very similar |
| 08:51.54 | krion | E-bola: why raid0 with only one disk ? |
| 08:51.55 | E-bola | hmmm unresolved :( |
| 08:52.04 | E-bola | krion: there are 2x 1tb disks |
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| 08:52.12 | E-bola | and i have a stripe and a mirror ont hem |
| 08:52.41 | E-bola | mirror for system, stripe for the big data partition |
| 08:55.21 | jelly | E-bola: uname -r? |
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| 08:55.53 | E-bola | Linux sctstor1 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 19 02:34:17 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:56.18 | JohnNew | Does anyone know what is wrong with this syntax, find /home/mydir -type f -name "*.php" -exec 'cat' '{}' <- does anyone see what is wrong? |
| 08:56.31 | E-bola | I hate when i find a bug thats known and not solved yet hehe |
| 08:56.59 | jelly | E-bola: have you tried stracing that runaway process to see if it's really the same symptom? |
| 08:57.10 | rvsjoen | johnnew: add this to the end: \; |
| 08:57.24 | E-bola | jelly: nope |
| 08:57.43 | E-bola | how do i strace an already running process? or do i have to restart it? |
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| 08:58.17 | jelly | E-bola: strace -p pid |
| 08:58.29 | JohnNew | rvsjoen: doesn't work i like to cat all .php files |
| 08:58.34 | rvsjoen | johnnew: works for me |
| 08:58.35 | JohnNew | inside the dir and further |
| 08:58.59 | jelly | JohnNew: does find without the -exec enumerate all the files? |
| 08:59.14 | E-bola | Jelly: pretty close to identical |
| 08:59.41 | rvsjoen | and you don't need the quotes, find /home/mydir -type f -name "*.php" -exec cat {} \; |
| 08:59.52 | jelly | E-bola: sounds like it's time for metoo email! |
| 09:00.09 | JohnNew | jelly: http://privatepaste.com/4c677cf5f2 |
| 09:00.17 | E-bola | ya |
| 09:00.21 | E-bola | running reportbug as we speak :( |
| 09:00.29 | E-bola | i hope removing md1 and recreating it fixes the problem |
| 09:00.52 | jelly | JohnNew: that \; is part of the -exec syntax, remove it |
| 09:01.00 | jelly | !tell JohnNew about using find |
| 09:01.23 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 09:01.34 | jelly | ravenbird: using find |
| 09:01.36 | ravenbird | jelly: are you using Windows? |
| 09:01.41 | jelly | apt: using find |
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| 09:01.45 | rvsjoen | .. |
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| 09:01.53 | jelly | crappy bots with old databases |
| 09:02.24 | jelly | JohnNew: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 09:04.00 | JohnNew | jelly: works now thanks |
| 09:04.09 | JohnNew | jelly: how can i also print the file name where i find each string? |
| 09:04.27 | jelly | JohnNew: what string? |
| 09:04.44 | rvsjoen | you use grep for that |
| 09:04.45 | JohnNew | jelly: i have now "find /home/mydir -type f -name '*.php' -exec car {} | grep 'somestring' " <- I would like to find the filenames where this string is in |
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| 09:05.00 | JohnNew | is this possible? |
| 09:05.21 | jelly | JohnNew: if you want to grep, then grep, not cat. |
| 09:06.12 | JohnNew | jelly: how wopuld the command look then? |
| 09:06.56 | jelly | JohnNew: you would have your grep command in place of cat. |
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| 09:07.10 | JohnNew | jelly: then i get alot no such file or directory error |
| 09:07.31 | JohnNew | jelly: find . -type f -name "*.php" -exec "grep mystring" {} \; |
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| 09:08.08 | jelly | JohnNew: why are you using doublequotes around grep and its parameter? |
| 09:08.30 | jelly | JohnNew: read the using find wiki. |
| 09:08.41 | JohnNew | jelly: it works now, but i get no file names |
| 09:08.46 | JohnNew | any idea how i can get this also back? |
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| 09:09.24 | jelly | JohnNew: read grep's manual. |
| 09:09.40 | wade | hello everyone |
| 09:10.18 | jelly | JohnNew: you'll find an option to "Print the file name for each match." |
| 09:10.47 | jelly | JohnNew: you'll also find one to _only_ print the file name, if that's what you prefer |
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| 09:14.25 | JohnNew | jelly: yes i got it already thanks alot, more man reading always better |
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| 09:15.34 | stix | Hi guys. I am trying to install debian on a headless box using this guide: http://wiki.soekris.info/Installing_Debian_Linux_5.0. It says I have to edit /etc/default/grub and add some serial-stuff. I don't have a /etc/default/grub - what should I edit in stead? |
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| 09:16.02 | wade | damn it's cold. *equips balaclava |
| 09:16.59 | wade | well' |
| 09:18.19 | wade | that's weird, do you have grub installed? |
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| 09:20.04 | wade | prehaps just create the file instead if it doesnt exist |
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| 09:21.06 | Wilthril | hi all |
| 09:21.06 | wade | then run update-grub as said on the wiki, it should take care of the rest? |
| 09:21.22 | wade | by prehaps i really mean, i dont know for sure just throwing ideas around |
| 09:21.25 | wade | as usual :p |
| 09:22.07 | wade | it is all information for grub2... |
| 09:22.37 | jelly | stix: /etc/default/grub is for grub2. If you're using grub legacy, just edit menu.lst |
| 09:23.09 | wade | indeed |
| 09:23.28 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why /etc/hostname is ignored on Debian squeeze? I get "root@(none):~#" as prompt after logging in and `hostname` returns "(none)" too. |
| 09:24.01 | stix | thanks jelly |
| 09:25.15 | stix | jelly, I thought I installed grub2 but I have no /etc/default/grub |
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| 09:25.43 | jelly | stix: is package grub-pc installed? |
| 09:26.02 | jelly | that's grub2 |
| 09:26.08 | DelTree | vlt: did you try the "hostname" command to set the hostname ? |
| 09:26.46 | vlt | DelTree: No, I just put the hostname in /etc/hostname (before booting). |
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| 09:27.31 | victoria | hi |
| 09:27.47 | victoria | any body knows a channel on this server for debian for beginners in spanish? |
| 09:27.50 | wade | sudo hostname -b (set hostname if none avaliable) <just a guess> |
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| 09:28.25 | wade | i need to abbreviate just a guess, because it's always the case- i was thinking... JAG. jag. *ahem* |
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| 09:29.34 | wade | educated guess' |
| 09:29.50 | wade | so eg. but that's taken' |
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| 09:30.12 | brounok | "This connection is untrusted". I am getting this msg from Iceweasel for yahoomail, gmail and hotmail. where's the problem? |
| 09:31.10 | jelly | Use \"hostname foo\" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn\'t exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also \'man 1 hostname\', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 09:31.25 | vlt | wade: `hostname -F /etc/hostname` says "hostname: the specified hostname is invalid". `cat /etc/hostname` => "squeeze_x86". Is this invalid? |
| 09:31.35 | jelly | plays bot using dpkg's database from http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 09:31.48 | DelTree | vlt: _ is invalid in a hostname... |
| 09:31.48 | El_Angelo | is x64 debian crosslib? |
| 09:32.01 | efaistos | any idea why I have a process starting time in the future ? |
| 09:32.13 | jelly | El_Angelo: no, not yet |
| 09:32.30 | vlt | DelTree: I have a machine named lenny_x86. There it's no problem. Has this convention changed? |
| 09:32.46 | jelly | El_Angelo: wait... what does crosslib mean :-) |
| 09:32.55 | El_Angelo | multilib |
| 09:33.09 | jelly | okay, in that case I was correct |
| 09:33.13 | El_Angelo | the ability to run 32bit applications on an 64 bit OS |
| 09:33.27 | jelly | El_Angelo: there are only some 32bit libs packaged |
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| 09:33.40 | wade | vlt: try this |
| 09:33.50 | DelTree | vlt: maybe it was accepted for a local hostname... but it doesn't work with dns... |
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| 09:34.05 | wade | just put whatever you want your hostname to be in /etc/hostname no symbols or numbers just characters |
| 09:34.13 | wade | then |
| 09:34.21 | wade | sudo hostname -F /etc/hostname |
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| 09:34.46 | wade | it will read the contents of /etc/hostname and presumably set your hostname |
| 09:35.00 | DelTree | if I did not miss some step... - is accepted, but not _... |
| 09:35.15 | jelly | El_Angelo: all in specific ia32-* packages (start with ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk) |
| 09:35.39 | wade | damn it's cold and im missing a glove this isnt cool' :s |
| 09:35.46 | vlt | wade: I have two identical machines: One lenny "lenny_x86" and one squeeze "squeeze_x86". I was just wondering whether "_" was allowed before and now in squeeze isn't. Thank you. |
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| 09:36.19 | wade | i would leave symbols out' just for sumplicities sake >_< maybe the dev's felt the same? I wouldnt know |
| 09:36.34 | jelly | vlt: _ isn't a valid character for dns; why it's only enforced in squeeze is anyone's guess |
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| 09:37.35 | vlt | jelly, wade, DelTree: Ok, thanks. Using "-" instead of "_" works now. |
| 09:38.32 | efaistos | any idea why I have a process starting time in the future ? <-- no idea ? |
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| 09:39.38 | wade | efaistos: missing ntp, bad bios clock settings or a glitch in the matrix? |
| 09:40.27 | efaistos | wade: ntp is there and working bios ... dont know |
| 09:40.35 | wade | sorry haha' try and keep a sense of humour, prevents mental stagnation |
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| 09:42.26 | wade | so in top it's listed as a -10m or such |
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| 09:44.54 | wade | nothing to do with the hard-drive' |
| 09:45.49 | wade | i honestly don't know sorry. |
| 09:46.00 | olorin_ | Summer time, check your timezone settings. Might also be a bug somewhere. |
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| 09:46.54 | wade | sudo tzselect |
| 09:47.02 | wade | to choose your timezone. |
| 09:47.10 | eshat | Hey all, after upgrading X.org my udev synaotics rules for tabing and scrolling do not work, any ideas? |
| 09:48.54 | JohnNew | http://privatepaste.com/4941f9e0d0 |
| 09:48.54 | Carnophage | eshat: yep, I had the same problem, http://www.deelab.org/bash/2010/04/xorg-1-8-synaptics-touchpad-configuration/ helped |
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| 09:48.54 | JohnNew | anyone know how this is fixable? |
| 09:49.27 | wade | eshat: you might wat to better explain your objective because that doesnt mean anything to me |
| 09:49.36 | Carnophage | eshat: if You don't have xorg.conf.d just mkdir it |
| 09:49.37 | efaistos | olorin_: no timezone is okay :( |
| 09:50.06 | wade | ah' |
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| 09:50.22 | wade | efaistos: where are you getting the process time information? |
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| 09:51.02 | wade | what is it using to gather the information' |
| 09:51.23 | wade | there are trackers in the kernel that managed alot of this' are you using a custom kernel? |
| 09:52.19 | eshat | JohnNew: Thanks |
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| 09:53.28 | efaistos | wade: ps |
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| 09:53.37 | eshat | JohnNew: but you are using Arch Linux, right ? |
| 09:54.27 | wade | well' |
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| 09:55.53 | wade | in my ps all the times are 0' and it shows incorrect time for my music player |
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| 09:57.23 | joel__ | hi, anyone here have used openldap with ssl under debian? |
| 09:59.31 | wade | but ps -u -f -a at least gives accurate start times' |
| 10:00.09 | efaistos | wade: ps -ef gives you the starting time |
| 10:01.21 | wade | that's neat. |
| 10:01.30 | wade | little program |
| 10:01.58 | simonrvn | joel__: there's a whole channel of people who have... #openldap ... even 2: #ldap |
| 10:02.32 | simonrvn | joel__: often it's more useful to ask the real question |
| 10:02.43 | joel__ | simonrvn: er... the problem that i have is specific to debian, that's why i'm here. |
| 10:03.09 | wade | im guessing efaistos, there's something really low-down that actually decides the "TIME" in ps' like cpu polling method or such' |
| 10:03.37 | joel__ | simonrvn: i'm trying to setup openldap with ssl support but it seems that it is compiled with gnutls support instead of openssl, so i would want to know if anybody has experience setting up openldap under debian lenny using openssl |
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| 10:04.36 | simonrvn | joel__: i've built ldap with openssl in the past... there's not much difference for most things. |
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| 10:04.47 | simonrvn | .debs |
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| 10:07.33 | simonrvn | joel__: to build the openssl version, make sure you edit debian/control if needed, install openssl-dev packages, and remove gnutls-dev packages |
| 10:07.48 | joel__ | simonrvn, but you built it from the sources, not using the distro package... |
| 10:08.02 | simonrvn | no, packages |
| 10:08.17 | simonrvn | do not assume ;) |
| 10:09.44 | wade | aw what and nothing in Makefile? :p |
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| 10:10.29 | simonrvn | funny, but not conducive to the convo :P |
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| 10:11.49 | _Dave123_ | http://privatepaste.com/903ab3644f |
| 10:11.54 | _Dave123_ | When using nmap to scan a host I get these errors, does anyone know what is wrong? |
| 10:12.55 | simonrvn | you have a screwed nmap and lua install? ;) |
| 10:13.08 | simonrvn | lemme guess, you installed from source. |
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| 10:14.12 | zealiod | how can i get a graphic to show when debian is loading? |
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| 10:14.39 | simonrvn | !bootsplash |
| 10:14.43 | the-dude | zealiod: search for splashscreen |
| 10:14.44 | huja | microsoft rules, fuck you |
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| 10:15.04 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 10:15.19 | ziarkaen | Should I add my LAN IP address to /etc/hosts to replace the default '127.0.1.1'? |
| 10:15.33 | _Dave123_ | simonrvn: no |
| 10:15.37 | simonrvn | i don't know, should you? |
| 10:15.49 | simonrvn | _Dave123_: no what? |
| 10:16.07 | _Dave123_ | not from source |
| 10:16.19 | simonrvn | _Dave123_: installed from package then? |
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| 10:16.29 | _Dave123_ | yes |
| 10:16.43 | simonrvn | try purging nmap, and installing it again, and try again. that's very odd. |
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| 10:20.37 | _Dave123_ | ok it works already thanks :) |
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| 10:26.42 | xlotlu | is there some app that auto-connects on eth link up, and disconnects from wifi if necessary? preferably something that integrates well with the debian networking / wpa_supplicant, and isn't braindead like NM.. |
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| 10:27.37 | lindi- | xlotlu: ifplugd autoconnects on link uop |
| 10:27.49 | lindi- | xlotlu: don't know if it can disconnect from other interfaces |
| 10:28.45 | xlotlu | lindi-: i used to use ifplugd a while ago, but had to write my own ifup.d scripts for that (and apparently i got it wrong) |
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| 10:36.29 | nkuttler | Cope: check the release archive |
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| 10:40.16 | Cope | nkuttler: thanks - got it |
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| 10:52.13 | patric | One question.... |
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| 10:52.20 | et | 42 |
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| 10:52.49 | patric | What is the best way to keep a testing installation up to dat dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
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| 10:54.13 | tenzind | hi, how do i configure the screen resolution of my virtual terminals? |
| 10:55.16 | amphi | patric: you should generally use aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 10:55.47 | stix | Can someone tell me how to join a wireless network from the console? |
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| 10:56.06 | stix | I am messing with iwconfig, but it is hard |
| 10:56.35 | Cope | why might dpkg-query be looking in the wrong place for its status file? whre does it get that from? |
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| 10:56.53 | Cope | it's looking in /var/lib/dpkg/var/lib/dpkg!! |
| 10:57.11 | Cope | is there a way to reset that? |
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| 10:57.40 | amphi | stix: install wicd-curses |
| 10:57.49 | stix | okay |
| 10:58.05 | Mowee | Hi ^^ |
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| 11:00.03 | jerome | Good morning #debian. I'm using xrandr (macbook 3,1 with intel 940GM) to handle my external monitor, the display on the external monitor gets all scrambled when deactivating the laptop monitor with '--output LVDS --off'. I works fine as long as I don't '--off' ... Any experience with this kind of problem ? |
| 11:00.23 | jerome | I'm running sid amd64, up to date ... |
| 11:00.38 | jerome | xorg is autoc configured, no xorg.conf |
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| 11:00.44 | stix | amphi, do you know why wicd doesn't find any networks? Kismet and airodump does. |
| 11:01.11 | amphi | no |
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| 11:01.48 | amphi | patric: then try aptitude full-upgrade but _read_ what apptitude says, and decice wisely |
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| 11:02.25 | patric | ok thx a lot |
| 11:04.25 | Selveste1 | is dpkg down ? |
| 11:04.51 | jelly | Selveste1: yes |
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| 11:05.56 | Selveste1 | jelly: any news on when it will be back up.? I need to know how to upgrade from lenny->squeeze |
| 11:06.03 | Selveste1 | the safe way ;) |
| 11:06.43 | nkuttler | ~tell Selveste1 about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:06.51 | nkuttler | meh |
| 11:06.53 | jelly | Selveste1: <reply>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed \'s,.*-,,\'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 11:06.54 | Selveste1 | nkuttler: dpkg is down |
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| 11:07.08 | luiX_ | hi |
| 11:07.24 | luiX_ | I had a package repository working fine without gpg signning, after signning the Release file it doesn't work (aptitude update shows no errors but isn't getting the packages), is it needed to do anything else but signning the Release file? any help? |
| 11:07.35 | jelly | Selveste1: brought to you by http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/apt_dump_040610_080501.gz and the letter Z. |
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| 11:08.38 | jelly | Selveste1: what's worse, dpkg db web query form at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ is also down |
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| 11:09.20 | Selveste1 | jelly: thanks, is it importend to reboot after upgrading the kernel do you think.? |
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| 11:09.40 | Selveste1 | I mean before running safe-upgrade |
| 11:09.51 | jelly | ravenbird: squeeze udev |
| 11:09.53 | ravenbird | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 11:10.35 | jelly | Selveste1: I'd reboot with the new kernel as soon as possible, because there are some upgrade bugs you might trigger otherwise |
| 11:11.02 | simonrvn | %squeeze udev |
| 11:11.04 | ravenbird | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 11:11.09 | jelly | %win simonrvn |
| 11:11.11 | ravenbird | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 11:11.21 | jelly | simonrvn: you win anyway :-D |
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| 11:11.50 | simonrvn | google helped ;p |
| 11:13.44 | luiX_ | I had a package repository working fine without gpg signning, after signning the Release file it doesn't work (aptitude update shows no errors but isn't getting the packages), is it needed to do anything else but signning the Release file? any help? |
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| 11:18.19 | vlt | Hello. I compiled t38modem from source on both a fresh Debian lenny and squeeze install. When I try to run it I get "error loading avcodec - avcodec: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Any idea what pkg is missing here? |
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| 11:21.13 | linuxguy | hi, Ive got upto date squeeze installed, pc has been working fine for a couple of weeks, but ive just booted it up, i got splashy screen and log-in screen, but during the part where the icons fade to the desktop, the screen goes white, then just black, all i can do is move the mouse, has KDM crashed here please? |
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| 11:49.30 | digii | hmm anyone good at squid proxy? |
| 11:49.42 | digii | having trouble getting the authentication to work |
| 11:50.21 | digii | after adding the correct lines, how am i suppose to authenticate? |
| 11:50.32 | digii | right now i get access Denied |
| 11:50.46 | digii | and i need to register somehow |
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| 11:54.38 | silidan | hi, are there debian repos that are more bleeding edge than sid ? |
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| 11:55.04 | ziggy | experimental |
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| 11:56.17 | eshat | silidan: arch linux |
| 11:56.20 | bbd | lol even more bleeding edge would be is using ubuntu experimental in sid |
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| 11:56.53 | eshat | Arch Linux is the most actual distro I ve ever seen |
| 11:57.04 | eshat | and it is rolling release |
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| 11:57.15 | heavenquake | I've got a typo3 extension here that says it needs texvc to be installed on the system. Googling the matter says that the texvc command is provided by the tetex-extra package, but after installing it I still don't have a texvc command. |
| 11:57.24 | silidan | eshat, thats right, but you get brebuild stuff only for a handful of packages... the rest you have to compile from aur.... |
| 11:57.42 | et | and sometimes updates break your system without warning |
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| 11:58.01 | silidan | ziggy: should i add experimental then, or should i replace sid with experimental in my sources ? |
| 11:58.09 | eshat | silidan: I think you need the AUR only for special needs,... mainstream packages like KDE Desktop are always uptodate prcompiled |
| 11:58.34 | eshat | and BTW the AUR und package build system is just perfect |
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| 11:59.00 | eshat | executing the script, and that's it,.. all dependencies and variables are set automatically |
| 11:59.12 | eshat | silidan: add experimental |
| 11:59.39 | eshat | silidan: experimental is just a extension,... it does not contain a full runable system |
| 11:59.57 | silidan | ok thanks... |
| 12:00.03 | silidan | hope that will do for now :) |
| 12:00.32 | nkuttler | %tell silidan about experimental |
| 12:01.29 | rvsjoen | may I ask why you need it ? |
| 12:01.32 | silidan | nkuttler: "ravenbird: nkuttler wants me to tell you: about experimental" that wasnt very helpful i fear ;) |
| 12:01.42 | schmack | how can i get the ip for access point who are not connected by me, i have the mac address? |
| 12:01.46 | schmack | i'm using wireless connection to internet |
| 12:02.02 | nkuttler | %experimental |
| 12:02.03 | ravenbird | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. (1 more message) |
| 12:02.07 | silidan | rvsjoen: yea, i want stellarium 10.4 |
| 12:03.01 | silidan | rvsjoen: but it depends on qt 4.6 upwards... and so i would need to manually install qt 4.6... and then compile stellarium 10.4.... and thats too much work atm... |
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| 12:06.12 | silidan | well... so much for experimental... |
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| 12:08.20 | silidan | great.... looks like libqt 4.6 isnt in experimental either... |
| 12:08.27 | silidan | at least not complete... |
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| 12:10.16 | jelly | silidan: take a look at the topic on #debian-kde, irc.oftc.net |
| 12:10.39 | silidan | jelly: you refer to what exactly? |
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| 12:11.13 | jelly | silidan: KDE SC 4.4.2 semi-official packages link |
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| 12:12.13 | guyzmo | hi |
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| 12:12.57 | guyzmo | I'm installing debian on a netbook, but before doing so, I got to backup all data on a usb disk. The problem is that the drive is formatted in NTFS... |
| 12:13.18 | guyzmo | is there a way to activate ntfs support in debian installer ? |
| 12:14.10 | guyzmo | (it seems the windows has worms and viruses, and I'm allergic to windows, so booting on windows for the backup is not really an option) |
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| 12:15.17 | jelly | guyzmo: why do you need your data during the installation? |
| 12:15.55 | guyzmo | I don't need it during the install, I just want to backup the data before formatting the drive |
| 12:15.58 | npoektop | how to fix acpi resume? It sometimes resumes as expected, but sometimes it stays in blank textmode (not in tty) with "starting ACPI services..." written, and does not react on any keypress (except powerbutton). I know it resumed, because it plays music etc. But it does not go to x11. How to fix that? |
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| 12:17.20 | silidan | guyzmo: get a ubuntu live cd, they are quite useful for such things... |
| 12:17.24 | jelly | guyzmo: oh. I'd use a good livecd for that purpose, the installer environment isn't that extensive |
| 12:17.28 | nsadmin | npoektop first step, find the problem |
| 12:17.35 | guyzmo | ok |
| 12:17.44 | jelly | %grml |
| 12:17.46 | ravenbird | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:18.02 | jelly | 's my current favorit |
| 12:18.25 | npoektop | nsadmin, where should i look for? |
| 12:18.37 | npoektop | *what |
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| 12:18.55 | linuxguy | bzrk, hi sorry for the delay yes ctl+_alt and f1 works, i am at the log in screen, using a lappy to be in here |
| 12:19.18 | silidan | well it looks like im out of luck... means either get arch and see what happens, or install all i need the manual way... |
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| 12:21.49 | silidan | omg its horror, i just found out that there is an windows executable of stellarium 10.4 that runs under wine..... |
| 12:21.56 | __Lirezh | gcc: Depends: gcc-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:22.02 | __Lirezh | someone an idea how i can repair it again ? |
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| 12:22.31 | __Lirezh | I accidentially left the default setting "stable" in my etch apt.source. I made an update of a tool and now the whole system is fucked because it partially downloaded lenny stuff |
| 12:22.59 | jelly | __Lirezh: at this point it'd probably be simplest to just fully upgrade to lenny |
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| 12:23.22 | __Lirezh | I know but it's a production box |
| 12:23.28 | __Lirezh | I can't risk that now |
| 12:23.45 | jelly | ravenbird: tell __Lirezh about partial downgrade |
| 12:24.00 | jelly | __Lirezh: did that work? |
| 12:24.14 | __Lirezh | [14:23] <f'ravenbird> jelly wants me to tell you: about partial downgrade |
| 12:24.16 | __Lirezh | only that came ^^ |
| 12:24.21 | jelly | eh. |
| 12:24.25 | jelly | %partial downgrade |
| 12:24.26 | ravenbird | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken (1 more message) |
| 12:24.30 | jelly | ^^ |
| 12:24.48 | jelly | ravenbird: more |
| 12:24.48 | ravenbird | jelly: packages, hit 'g' |
| 12:25.14 | nsadmin | npoektop I'd say log messages and bug reports... other than that, you can delve in deeper in order to understand how acpi support in the kernel and acpi itself actually works by reading up on acpi and studying the relevent kernel source. Then you could do things like insert log messages in the code to determine if it gets to the point in the code where you inserted the log statements |
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| 12:25.28 | __Lirezh | thanks, i will try |
| 12:25.33 | nsadmin | you might have to learn C if you haven't already |
| 12:26.34 | nsadmin | if you think the problem is being experienced by others, you can find out by looking at the bts |
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| 12:29.34 | npoektop | nsadmin, would you help me? what are the acpi suspend and resume scripts? maybe try to just insert chvt 1 and chvt 7 there? |
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| 12:30.15 | arnuld | I want to know if there is something worng with me |
| 12:30.18 | nsadmin | I haven't looked into it myself... I know how to find and solve problems |
| 12:30.38 | nsadmin | "me" is spelled wrong? |
| 12:32.13 | nsadmin | anyway that sounds more like a question for your dr/dentist/therapist/spiritual advisor |
| 12:32.41 | cristi8 | arnuld: what's doesn't work? |
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| 12:33.22 | jelly | nsadmin: oh hey, a non-native user doesn't speak English very well! Let's mock him! |
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| 12:33.44 | jelly | -.- |
| 12:34.28 | cristi8 | jelly: wanted to type "what's wrong", but i changed my mind :D |
| 12:34.59 | jelly | %ask |
| 12:35.04 | nsadmin | you think he's not referring to a problem with himself? |
| 12:35.14 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian- (1 more message) |
| 12:35.24 | jelly | %more |
| 12:35.25 | ravenbird | jelly: user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:37.24 | nsadmin | arnuld sorry... what do you want to ask about? |
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| 12:41.43 | jelly | wonders if DSA list releases debian spiritual advisories |
| 12:43.11 | nsadmin | yeah I was pretty much thinking along those lines |
| 12:43.24 | chomwitt | hi. in testing squeze(kde) i hear at start the login sound but then i have no sound. any ideas? |
| 12:43.55 | nsadmin | not specific enough |
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| 12:44.20 | nsadmin | how exactly do you determine "i have no sound" |
| 12:44.29 | npoektop | nsadmin, i gave myself the trouble to ask on #english what's wrong with that phrase. That's "like I just kicked your head, but now I need your help to scratch my back". |
| 12:44.42 | npoektop | it's a surprise to me |
| 12:45.04 | nsadmin | which phrase? |
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| 12:45.31 | silidan | i wonder what does it take to get a package into at least experimental repo ? |
| 12:45.47 | nsadmin | a debian developer |
| 12:46.02 | silidan | you mean an official? |
| 12:46.19 | nsadmin | yep, no one else can upload |
| 12:46.27 | silidan | ok... |
| 12:46.50 | ssm | silidan: look at http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 12:46.54 | nsadmin | so you'd need to ask for a developer to do the upload |
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| 12:48.40 | nsadmin | chomwitt: so, some specifics? |
| 12:49.17 | silidan | ok, libqt isnt a small project... why arentent there packages of current libqt in at least experimental ? (at least i could only find a multimedia package with some missing dependencies) |
| 12:50.09 | nsadmin | why do you need later libqt? what is your actual goal? |
| 12:50.26 | silidan | get stellarium 10.4 running nativley on linux... |
| 12:50.38 | silidan | it requires libqt 4.6 upwards... |
| 12:50.59 | jelly | silidan: uh, I already told you where to get it |
| 12:51.03 | valdyn | silidan: 10.2 is already in debian.. is there such a huge difference? |
| 12:51.08 | silidan | yep |
| 12:51.19 | jelly | [where it ~ qt4.6] |
| 12:51.27 | valdyn | silidan: theres no point in trying to upload this |
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| 12:52.00 | ssm | silidan: is that the same as the qt4-x11 package? |
| 12:52.12 | nsadmin | , versions libqt4-dev |
| 12:52.15 | judd | libqt4-dev -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1; etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1; lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.5.3-4; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.2-2 |
| 12:52.20 | ssm | 4.6.2 is in experimental |
| 12:52.27 | ssm | ah, nice bot |
| 12:52.29 | nsadmin | looks that way :) |
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| 12:52.54 | schmack | kismet: FATAL: Illegal card source line 'wlan0' |
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| 12:53.36 | schmack | %kismet |
| 12:53.44 | ravenbird | Kismet is a wireless network detector, sniffer and <IDS>, packaged for Debian. Read /usr/share/doc/kismet/README.gz for details regarding capture sources. Kismet will not work with <ndiswrapper>. Intel <iwlagn> users: use the iwl4965 capture source. http://www.kismetwireless.net/ #kismet at irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:54.25 | silidan | ok maybe i did somehing wrong then... can you give me the line to add experimental to my sources ? |
| 12:55.21 | nsadmin | are you sure? packages are in experimental because they're not ready for unstalbe |
| 12:55.22 | silidan | i just copied my sid lines, and replaced sid with experimental... the libqt4-dev package is only version 4.5 |
| 12:55.47 | valdyn | silidan: apt-get update; apt-get -t experimental install libqt4-dev |
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| 12:56.04 | valdyn | silidan: or s/apt-get/aptitude/, whatever you like |
| 12:56.07 | jelly | silidan: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libqt4-opengl-dev" |
| 12:56.24 | valdyn | silidan: experimental is low priority by default, hence the -t |
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| 12:58.01 | chomwitt | nsadmin: sorry, i was testing different position for the audio cable! :-) |
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| 12:58.26 | nsadmin | chomwitt, did that help? |
| 12:58.47 | silidan | ok that with the low priority i did not know... ok it in.. |
| 12:59.04 | nsadmin | it would seem, tho, that the audio cable is fine since a sound played at login |
| 12:59.23 | nsadmin | still no detail, |
| 12:59.35 | nsadmin | how exactly do you determine "i have no sound" |
| 12:59.57 | chomwitt | nsadmin: no!. i play a song and i dont hear anything! |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | how long has dpkg been gone? |
| 13:00.41 | nsadmin | could you say howto "i play a song" |
| 13:00.45 | valdyn | chomwitt: run in a terminal "aplay < /dev/urandom", tell us what you get |
| 13:00.58 | nsadmin | turn your volume down first! |
| 13:01.06 | nsadmin | do not wear headphones |
| 13:01.10 | valdyn | hey no, turn it up |
| 13:01.21 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:01.42 | chomwitt | valdyn: nothin |
| 13:01.44 | silidan | chomwitt: do you have a webcam attached? |
| 13:01.47 | valdyn | chomwitt: lies |
| 13:01.51 | chomwitt | silidan: no |
| 13:01.51 | valdyn | chomwitt: you do get output |
| 13:02.05 | valdyn | chomwitt: cut and paste on a paste site the characters if you cant read |
| 13:02.10 | chomwitt | valdyn: no sound i mean!! |
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| 13:02.18 | chomwitt | valdyn: |
| 13:02.19 | valdyn | chomwitt: i still want the output |
| 13:02.22 | nsadmin | make sure it still makes login sound after you moved the plug around |
| 13:02.38 | chomwitt | valdyn: Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
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| 13:02.48 | valdyn | chomwitt: ok, so sound works |
| 13:02.52 | valdyn | chomwitt: turn up volume |
| 13:03.05 | nsadmin | unmute mixer maybe? |
| 13:03.35 | chomwitt | chomwitt: i think volume is turned up (i see kde's mixer) |
| 13:03.44 | nsadmin | valdyn: that also suggests he has filepermission to the device file? |
| 13:03.52 | valdyn | chomwitt: theres master volume, pcm volume etc, make sure thats all turned up |
| 13:04.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: not if he ran this as root |
| 13:04.32 | valdyn | nsadmin: but since his login sound works, he has sound |
| 13:04.39 | nsadmin | right |
| 13:05.02 | nsadmin | he should log in again to make sure the plug is in the right place |
| 13:05.07 | valdyn | right |
| 13:05.21 | valdyn | this all points to a pebkac |
| 13:05.25 | chomwitt | sorry if i little slow but i try parallel to test diff positions for cable .my mobo has 5 audio jacks |
| 13:05.29 | linuxguy | hi, Ive got upto date squeeze installed, pc has been working fine for a couple of weeks, but ive just booted it up, i got splashy screen and log-in screen, but during the part where the icons fade to the desktop, the screen goes white, then just black, all i can do is move the mouse, has KDM crashed here please? |
| 13:05.42 | valdyn | chomwitt: when your login sound works then dont change your cable again |
| 13:05.46 | chomwitt | valdyn: alls are turned up |
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| 13:07.43 | chomwitt | valdyn: i think i hear the round one! |
| 13:07.43 | silidan | chomwitt: if oyu have multiple sound cards (webcam, onboardsound, dedicated soundcard, midi interface.. etc...) it may be that your cards are in wrong order.. maybe "sudo alsa force-reload" will help then |
| 13:08.06 | valdyn | except that his sound just works on login |
| 13:08.10 | schmack | d |
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| 13:08.27 | chomwitt | i hear the random sound but a song dont! |
| 13:08.37 | silidan | what do you use to play the song? |
| 13:08.42 | valdyn | chomwitt: great, youre pretty close now |
| 13:08.55 | valdyn | chomwitt: which program are you using to play that song? |
| 13:08.59 | chomwitt | valdyn: ok!! |
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| 13:09.17 | chomwitt | silidan: yuk!! |
| 13:09.42 | nsadmin | , versions yuk |
| 13:09.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'yuk' was found. |
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| 13:09.58 | chomwitt | yuk still is mute! but a web video i tried has sound |
| 13:10.11 | valdyn | what the hell is yuk? |
| 13:10.22 | chomwitt | sorry.. juk |
| 13:10.24 | silidan | yea cant find yuk in synaptic... |
| 13:10.46 | nsadmin | , versions juk |
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| 13:10.48 | judd | juk -- etch: 4:3.5.5-2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo.1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-2; sid: 4:4.3.4-1; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-1; experimental: 4:4.4.2-1 |
| 13:10.54 | jelly | ,info juk |
| 13:10.56 | judd | juk (sound, optional): music organizer and player for KDE. Version: 4:3.5.9-2; Size: 727.0k; Installed: 1580k; Homepage: http://multimedia.kde.org |
| 13:11.01 | valdyn | chomwitt: yuk is playing but your hear nothing? |
| 13:11.12 | nsadmin | yukjuk! |
| 13:11.12 | valdyn | chomwitt: does juk give an error message? |
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| 13:11.41 | valdyn | chomwitt: is that a file or an audio cd you are playing? |
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| 13:12.04 | chomwitt | valdyn: i think when i log in but dont remember what.. |
| 13:12.37 | chomwitt | valdyn: its mp3 |
| 13:12.41 | valdyn | chomwitt: so log in again and give us the error message |
| 13:12.58 | valdyn | chomwitt: now you have sound, and its working fine, except your juk is misconfigured somehow |
| 13:13.37 | nsadmin | it shouldn't be that logging in would print a msg about juk unless it somehow started it? |
| 13:13.39 | silidan | either juk cant play mp3s... or juk uses wrong output.... |
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| 13:13.51 | chomwitt | thanks valdyn, silidan and nsadmin! |
| 13:13.59 | nsadmin | or it adjusts the mixer |
| 13:14.13 | valdyn | its sitting on phonon anyway it seems |
| 13:14.21 | valdyn | whats the phonon config tool? i have no idea |
| 13:14.23 | silidan | if it adjusts the mixer that would be crappy... |
| 13:14.41 | valdyn | it could also have its own per app mixer |
| 13:14.51 | valdyn | never used kde4+ |
| 13:15.19 | nsadmin | that would be -really- crappy :) |
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| 13:15.39 | valdyn | well, about every gnome app has its own per app mixer now, thats neat |
| 13:15.56 | chomwitt | trying to check juk's congif options but didnt find anythink related i think.. |
| 13:15.56 | nsadmin | oh? hmm, why is that good? |
| 13:16.18 | valdyn | so turning up volume in a movie im watching doesnt raise my skype sound level |
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| 13:16.46 | valdyn | or vice vera |
| 13:16.48 | nsadmin | so it's adjusting its own audio outptu |
| 13:16.49 | valdyn | or vice versa |
| 13:16.55 | valdyn | yea |
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| 13:17.00 | nsadmin | that's cool |
| 13:17.22 | ido2 | I have a dd image of my old drive's main partition (/dev/sda1). How can I recover from it to a new drive ? |
| 13:17.47 | valdyn | ido2: create a partition same size or bigger on the new drive and paste the image file |
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| 13:19.03 | ido2 | paste ? |
| 13:19.07 | valdyn | ido2: dd |
| 13:19.27 | ido2 | is there a way to resize the partition ? |
| 13:20.44 | chomwitt | tries to install a different music player... |
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| 13:22.56 | chomwitt | chomwitt: found a hint that maybe is a restricted format thing... |
| 13:24.11 | Am1ne | hello ! I have a problem with my mysql server ! I can't access the server remotely ! I have commented the bind-address line to allow external connections.. but still got this error : Host '172.16.50.52' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | Am1ne: you still have to configure mysql to accept the connection in the database itself, see the mysql docs or #mysql |
| 13:24.54 | tarzeau | chomwitt: what kind of music? |
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| 13:25.09 | chomwitt | tarzeau: mp3 |
| 13:25.11 | Am1ne | abrotman, you mean mysql.user table ? |
| 13:25.20 | silidan | chomwitt: vlc can play the most audio/video formats i think... |
| 13:26.11 | silidan | chomwitt: vlc can even play incomplete downloaded files... |
| 13:26.32 | petemc_ | some incomplete downloaded files |
| 13:26.41 | qwd | Is it worth filing a bug report for vorbis-tools in sid that can't be installed because of missing dependency? |
| 13:26.54 | chomwitt | tries to install a different music player...(madplug: open_audio failed: XMMS reverse compatibility output plugin) |
| 13:26.55 | silidan | yea sure but betetr than nothin id say... |
| 13:27.24 | tarzeau | silidan: so can most mp3 file player... |
| 13:27.25 | chomwitt | sorry mixed output!. i tried audacious with no luckQ(madplug: open_audio failed: XMMS reverse compatibility output plugin) |
| 13:28.36 | chomwitt | vlc plays it ok!! |
| 13:29.09 | chomwitt | finaly hears in the name of love!! dedicated to the debian list!! |
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| 13:31.30 | johnfg | for some reason I'm not getting any response from dpkg this morning. |
| 13:31.35 | johnfg | What's up with that? |
| 13:31.51 | abrotman | Am1ne: i mean, #mysql or mysql.com |
| 13:32.00 | abrotman | johnfg: uhm .. the bot isn't here |
| 13:32.09 | johnfg | I'm doing, e.g., "/msg dpkg lenny > squeeze", but get nothing. |
| 13:32.24 | johnfg | abrotman, Where's the bot? |
| 13:32.27 | abrotman | johnfg: did you notice in your status window where it says "dpkg: no such nick/channel" or similar ? |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | johnfg: vegas |
| 13:32.46 | johnfg | so that means he's gonna stay there? |
| 13:32.47 | abrotman | i hear dpkg is a huge roulette fan |
| 13:33.03 | pif | hi, I have a 3g sim card in my laptop, how can I send sms with it? |
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| 13:33.09 | steven_t | hello! |
| 13:33.18 | johnfg | Yeah, I noticed. How do you get him over here again? |
| 13:33.22 | steven_t | ive noticed that if i try "sudo aptitude install python" it tells me its about to install python 2.5 |
| 13:33.29 | steven_t | do you know how i can install 2.6? |
| 13:33.49 | abrotman | johnfg: in general, change your /etc/apt/sources.list from lenny to squeeze, and then 'aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 13:34.02 | abrotman | johnfg: also, make sure you have the metapackage for your kernel installed, and your kernel is up to date |
| 13:34.16 | abrotman | steven_t: in lenny? squeeze sid? |
| 13:34.21 | steven_t | lenny :) |
| 13:34.38 | abrotman | steven_t: lenny doesn't have 2.6 |
| 13:34.48 | steven_t | rats |
| 13:34.51 | steven_t | i have to build from source? |
| 13:34.52 | steven_t | rats |
| 13:35.00 | Titan8990 | abrotman: currently the installation of the squeeze kernel must come before udev |
| 13:35.05 | steven_t | if only this link would *load*... http://projectdaenney.org/2009/building-python2-6-for-debian-lenny |
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| 13:36.34 | cristi8 | steven_t: link loads for me, so website is not down |
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| 13:38.37 | steven_t | thanks |
| 13:38.53 | steven_t | why do some gyudes tell me to use aptitude and some to use apt-get? |
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| 13:39.22 | abrotman | Titan8990: that's why i said to make sure he has the metapackage installed |
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| 13:44.41 | qwd | steven_t: aptitude is recommended, it's "smarter" apparently. |
| 13:44.49 | vyrgozunqk | guys, do you know any repository or PPA that has GNOME 2.30 or when it's going to experimental ?! |
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| 13:45.00 | steven_t | ah |
| 13:45.06 | qwd | !whyaptitude |
| 13:45.10 | qwd | or not |
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| 13:47.14 | abrotman | qwd: bot missing |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | steven_t: aptitude has *much* better problem resolution |
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| 13:47.51 | abrotman | vyrgozunqk: this is not #ubuntu, we don't have PPA |
| 13:47.58 | vyrgozunqk | i know |
| 13:48.06 | vyrgozunqk | but after all i use them |
| 13:48.11 | abrotman | on debian? |
| 13:48.23 | vyrgozunqk | i used kubuntu backports to install kde sc 44.1 to debian experimental |
| 13:48.26 | vyrgozunqk | yep |
| 13:48.31 | vyrgozunqk | it worked like a charm |
| 13:48.31 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 13:48.35 | abrotman | debian doesn't have a version called 'experimental' |
| 13:49.00 | vyrgozunqk | unstable whit experimental repos |
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| 13:49.01 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | okay, then you should know how to find unofficial repos that might have gnome2.30 .. |
| 13:49.36 | vyrgozunqk | yes, but i can't find any :/ |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | then i guess there aren't any |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | it's only been out for six days |
| 13:50.17 | vyrgozunqk | only .deb repo that has gnome 2.30 packages is lucyd lynx main repo, :/ |
| 13:50.32 | abrotman | but that's not Debian |
| 13:50.43 | vyrgozunqk | yep |
| 13:51.00 | abrotman | guess you'll just have to wait |
| 13:51.09 | vyrgozunqk | mhm, tnx anyway :) |
| 13:51.18 | vyrgozunqk | i just want the new nautilus |
| 13:51.19 | vyrgozunqk | haha |
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| 13:52.09 | vyrgozunqk | but i don't want to recompile the whole gnome... 'cause my pc is old :/ |
| 13:52.10 | abrotman | well, if you're running unstable, i'm sure you know how to compile something like that and/or help with the packaging .. get to it |
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| 13:55.00 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-terminal |
| 13:55.01 | judd | gnome-terminal -- etch: 2.14.2-1; lenny: 2.22.3-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-1; sid: 2.30.0-1 |
| 13:55.05 | abrotman | looksl ike it has started flowing in |
| 13:55.25 | vyrgozunqk | yes, but only gnome terminal so far |
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| 13:55.45 | vyrgozunqk | plus it was already inside |
| 13:55.57 | vyrgozunqk | and gnome shell |
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| 13:56.08 | abrotman | there are others .. |
| 13:56.10 | abrotman | lots of others |
| 13:56.27 | vyrgozunqk | nope, only few :P |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | wrong |
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| 13:57.26 | abrotman | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.30-status.html |
| 13:57.45 | abrotman | as an unstable user, you should know how to find these things .. or maybe you shouldn't be running unstable |
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| 13:58.02 | vyrgozunqk | i know how to find them :) |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | i bet ... |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | so you obviously know where the debian-gnome channel is also? |
| 13:59.52 | vyrgozunqk | actually i don't |
| 13:59.59 | vyrgozunqk | i've never used it before |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | goes back to doing work ... |
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| 14:01.22 | liable | sure |
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| 14:01.54 | wonderwal | what's debian+1 |
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| 14:02.45 | sevenfourk | Hello you guys! I've been away from Linux for some time, so I can miss things... I got ATI Radeon 9200 video card, having Debian Squeeze/Sid installed, I'm using xserver-xorg-video-radeon video drivers, still I can't get enough of my card, any way I can install propriate drivers even if I need to install some old kernel? Thanks |
| 14:02.52 | abrotman | wonderwal: what? |
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| 14:03.11 | abrotman | sevenfourk: those are the appropriate drivers, fgrlx no longer supports that card |
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| 14:05.07 | sevenfourk | abrotman: I heard that, yeah, but having almost half performance of my card in Linux comparing to Windows - that really sucks, any way I can hack on it or something ? :-) |
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| 14:05.53 | g00se | I've got an new external HD. Using mkntfs didn't seem to affect a boot sector that was on it and there are problems with the boot sector when i try to mount. What's the best way to zap it? It doesn't need to be bootable |
| 14:05.54 | vyrgozunqk | sevenfourk, no, i have the same issue for a long time :/ |
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| 14:06.47 | sevenfourk | vyrgozunqk: that's pretty damn bad :( |
| 14:06.54 | vyrgozunqk | mhm |
| 14:07.01 | abrotman | sevenfourk: not that i'm aware of .. have you looked through 'man radeon' for some options ? |
| 14:07.16 | sevenfourk | my old GeForce4 MX 440 worked even better |
| 14:07.18 | vyrgozunqk | it's not only the kernel version, it is the whole xorg version |
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| 14:07.28 | vyrgozunqk | it's not compatible with fglrx 9.3 |
| 14:07.34 | sevenfourk | I guess yeah |
| 14:07.36 | vyrgozunqk | that supports your and mine card |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | i think fglrx dropped support for the 92xx a long time ago |
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| 14:08.09 | abrotman | they've been supported by the radeon driver for ages |
| 14:08.12 | vyrgozunqk | yeah i know, i have a radeon 9550 overclock to 9600 pro... but a stupid FX5200 performance is better than mine... |
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| 14:08.33 | sevenfourk | :/ |
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| 14:08.44 | abrotman | sevenfourk: you can ask #ati if fglrx supports your card, i don't think it does, or ask #xorg if there are any tweaks |
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| 14:08.55 | vyrgozunqk | with fglrx 9.3 i had a verry good performance especially in 3D, but now is total mess |
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| 14:09.13 | vyrgozunqk | i doesn't support any card bellow HD series |
| 14:09.31 | sevenfourk | vyrgozunqk: I have 3D accel, but still it doesn't go like in damn Win |
| 14:09.52 | vyrgozunqk | yes i do have too 3D accell but its verry poor |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | apparently some firmware was removed .. |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | but i'm sure vyrgozunqk has already seen that page |
| 14:10.38 | vyrgozunqk | abrotman, i've installed firmware ;) |
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| 14:10.44 | vyrgozunqk | and still it's verry poor |
| 14:10.47 | wonderwal | hey guys im using lenny i need the latest xen kernel |
| 14:11.02 | vyrgozunqk | only 1200Fps in glxgears |
| 14:11.09 | vyrgozunqk | compared to 2700 with fglrx |
| 14:11.32 | vyrgozunqk | and if i enable KMS i get down to 120 Fps |
| 14:11.32 | vyrgozunqk | :/ |
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| 14:18.05 | johnfg | abrotman, I'm running Linux church 2.6.26-2-686; not sure what you meant about my kernel metapackage. |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | linux-image-686 or linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 14:18.57 | johnfg | So, you're saying to have that 'before' I do the upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 14:20.23 | johnfg | Yup, it's already installed. |
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| 14:21.04 | abrotman | johnfg: currently udev is all kinds of .. angry .. you're supposed to be running the kernel before you try to upgrade udev |
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| 14:21.22 | johnfg | I know I'll have to run for my openafs kernel: m-a a-i openafs after the upgrade. |
| 14:22.11 | johnfg | Will doing the upgrade as you wrote *not* upgrade udev? |
| 14:22.41 | johnfg | Or is this kernel, in lenny already using the most recent udev? |
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| 14:29.57 | johnfg | abrotman, Is there something I need to explicitly *not* upgrade, viz., udev? |
| 14:30.42 | abrotman | johnfg: no, it's just that udev will whine, there is a way around it .. but see if you have that problem first |
| 14:31.31 | johnfg | Ok, thanks for the help. Got any other url you'd recommend me to read first? |
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| 14:32.18 | lvh | hello |
| 14:32.36 | lvh | how can I change my console keymap so that RCtrl and CapsLock are switched? |
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| 14:32.45 | lvh | Or both of them are Ctrl |
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| 14:33.24 | johnfg | Should I comment out the lenny-backports line? Or is there a squeeze-backports? |
| 14:33.52 | wols | there are no squeeze backports |
| 14:34.06 | lvh | I have XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps", that works for X but not the consoles |
| 14:35.04 | johnfg | wols, so just comment it out then. |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:35.57 | johnfg | security and volatile should both be change to squeeze? |
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| 14:36.04 | johnfg | changed. |
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| 14:37.22 | nick2 | Hello everybody. Due to my own cerebral weakness i've deleted the contents of my /var/lib/dpkg/info folder. Is there any way to rebuild/recover this folder? Thanks in advance |
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| 14:38.48 | abrotman | all of it? |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | anything in /var/backups/ ? |
| 14:39.11 | nick2 | mom, i ll have a look |
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| 14:40.04 | nick2 | There are a lot of backup files. How do i recover these? (Which one is the correct man page ;) ) |
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| 14:40.40 | rdg | how does one install from non-free ? |
| 14:41.29 | wols | rdg: like any other package if you have non-free in your sources.list /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:42.12 | rdg | just realized non-free wasn't in my sources.list .. thanks |
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| 14:43.51 | kreuter | howdy, #debian. is there any up-to-date documentation about the format of the apt Release file anywhere? |
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| 14:45.04 | nick2 | ok, got it. The file is the backup of the status file. But i need the list files... |
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| 14:45.29 | kreuter | (specifically, I'm trying to construct an apt repository, and try as I might, I can't seem to produce a Release file for which aptitude doesn't complain "Conflicting distribution ... (expected ... but got )") |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | kreuter: maybe put the full file and the full error in a patsebin |
| 14:46.10 | kreuter | what's the preferred pastebin for the channel? |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 14:48.05 | kreuter | ok. one second. |
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| 14:53.48 | mbruins | hi, i would like to play nethack but with gui not cli. i installed nethack-x11 but its cli. im running debian lenny. any suggestion? |
| 14:54.06 | kreuter | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/67870/ |
| 14:54.11 | nick2 | nethack-gnome? nethack-gtk? |
| 14:54.15 | nick2 | nethack-gnome? nethack-qt? |
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| 15:00.10 | jelly | nethack with a GUI? Blasphemy! |
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| 15:01.06 | JyZyXEL | i think i just had a harddrive failure |
| 15:01.14 | JyZyXEL | on a 1 week old hard disk |
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| 15:01.57 | JyZyXEL | thing just dropped after a week of being idle |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | and how is that related to Debian ? |
| 15:02.04 | JyZyXEL | ata5: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10000 action 0xe frozen |
| 15:02.06 | JyZyXEL | ata5: SError: { PHYRdyChg } |
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| 15:05.48 | kreuter | anybody have any insight on the Release file format? |
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| 15:06.42 | johnfg | I modified the sources list, but doing 'sudo aptitude install aptitude dpkg' doesn't do anything. |
| 15:06.53 | abrotman | did you aptitude update first ? |
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| 15:07.24 | abrotman | kreuter: should it be 5.0.4 ? |
| 15:07.41 | abrotman | kreuter: the official ones also have a 'Release: Lenny' line |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | erm .. 'Codename: Lenny' |
| 15:07.52 | johnfg | oops. |
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| 15:08.55 | kreuter | abrotman: I'll give it a try. I guess my bigger question is how this can not have canonical (no pun intended) documented someplace... |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | kreuter: there is documentation on creating your own repository, not sure how up to date it is |
| 15:09.19 | echosystm | i need help - i need a new laptop and im tired of buying computers, installing linux, then just having to live with half the machine not working |
| 15:10.04 | abrotman | echosystm: AFAICT, my new laptop works just peachy |
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| 15:10.14 | echosystm | i've looked at HCLs left right and center, most are hugely out of date and those that arent are dubious at best |
| 15:10.15 | abrotman | echosystm: the only thing i haven't tried is the modem |
| 15:10.19 | cahoot | both halves? |
| 15:10.35 | echosystm | eg. my samsung n120 is widely cited to be working out of the box with everything |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | echosystm: oh, and i don't use suspend/hibernate .. mine was a T500 |
| 15:11.00 | echosystm | and yet brightness keys dont work, suspend/hibernate is dodgy, etc. |
| 15:11.30 | echosystm | i dont know where to go from here? |
| 15:11.32 | JyZyXEL | repository just reminded me about the stargates "repository of ancient knowledge", haha thats so fitting for a debian repository :--D |
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| 15:13.05 | jhamlin | !mp3 |
| 15:13.22 | wols | echosystm: by a notebook with linux preinstalled and yell at your vendor |
| 15:13.38 | echosystm | im yet to find any such vendors |
| 15:13.50 | echosystm | dell dont offer ubuntu on any laptops in australia |
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| 15:15.43 | wols | who killed dpkg? |
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| 15:16.38 | JyZyXEL | omg did it get exploited! |
| 15:17.08 | jelly | it gets exploited every single day, JyZyXEL, that's its purpose |
| 15:17.18 | jelly | %hi |
| 15:17.20 | ravenbird | jelly: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:17.30 | mentor | JyZyXEL: It makes your brain melt? |
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| 15:17.46 | JyZyXEL | no weed does that |
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| 15:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | echosystm: Have you looked at the hotkeys package? |
| 15:19.47 | Cope | dpkg: serious warning: files list for package 'tzdata' missing, assuming package has no files currebtly installed... |
| 15:20.08 | Cope | there's a load of stuff missing from this machine's /var/lib/dpkg too |
| 15:20.56 | echosystm | jhutchins, i just dont want to have to deal with these things |
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| 15:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | echosystm: Then don't. |
| 15:21.20 | echosystm | i want a laptop that works out of the box, i dont have time to much around with it anymore |
| 15:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | echosystm: Use OSX or Windows. |
| 15:21.37 | kreuter | abrotman: hah! "Codename:". who'd've thunk? |
| 15:21.37 | echosystm | but i dont like either of them :P |
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| 15:21.40 | nick2 | use an compal fl90 with any distro... works like a charm! |
| 15:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | echosystm: In Linux it's up to YOU to fix the problem. |
| 15:21.53 | echosystm | ive become too accustomed to linux now |
| 15:22.10 | kreuter | abrotman: (read: it works now that I have Codename in there. thank you.) |
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| 15:23.40 | vadmeste | Hi. Maybe it's a strange this.. but with my testing version of debian, and when I compile my own kernel, my system heats up until it power off by himself.. this doesn't happen with stable version of debian.. any idea ? |
| 15:23.53 | johnfg | When it's asking about choosing locales, what do I choose? Not sure what I picked when I first installed. |
| 15:24.14 | wols | vadmeste: kernels by themselves don't cause CPU usage aka heat |
| 15:24.45 | wols | johnfg: select your contry frm the list |
| 15:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: pptp |
| 15:27.05 | silidan | hey, what do i need so that my digital camera gets mounted automatically when i connect to it? |
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| 15:28.11 | silidan | so far when i start my digital camera it only fire up gthump, when i select import images it brings me to a window where i see one of my mounted partitions.... but its not my digital camera and i cant change it... |
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| 15:28.15 | wols | !automount |
| 15:28.29 | vadmeste | wols: I just tried all possible cases.. with any version of kernel only using squeeze debian causes system heating up.. |
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| 15:29.06 | wols | vadmeste: there are several thousand kernel config options. and you tried ALL permutations? truly the universe must have ended by now |
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| 15:29.52 | wols | vadmeste: use a debian kernel config and compile your own kernel |
| 15:30.06 | d3x | wols, it did about 4.7e19 yrs ago. haven't you noticed? |
| 15:30.34 | silidan | wols installing autofs5 did not help... |
| 15:30.40 | wols | d3x: must have been a sunday |
| 15:30.41 | ideamonk | hey guys is there a way to install debian lenny from windows without burning a dvd? I've just purchased a eee pc and it hasn't any dvd drive, neither do I have a pendrive larger than 1gb ?!! |
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| 15:31.17 | Digdilem | debian netinst will sit on 256mb flash drive, iirc |
| 15:31.24 | wols | ideamonk: your pen drive is more than enough. you only need 256-512MB or so. but you must use the kmuto installer with a newer kernel than the normal lenny one |
| 15:31.59 | ideamonk | Digdilem, wols I've got an iso of lenny's dvd-1 could I use it in some way? ftp ? |
| 15:32.09 | wols | ideamonk: you can't |
| 15:32.22 | ideamonk | ah |
| 15:32.24 | Digdilem | r, just grab the netinst and get latest stuff from that. |
| 15:32.30 | wols | well, you can PXE boot from somewhere but USB stick is the easiest mehtod by far |
| 15:32.37 | Digdilem | you could copy the iso's files across, but i don't really see the need |
| 15:32.38 | ideamonk | just that im on a slow connecton |
| 15:32.41 | wols | the kmuto netinst and hd media |
| 15:32.48 | wols | ideamonk: it's less than 200MB |
| 15:33.00 | d3x | you can copy the iso on a pendrive |
| 15:33.04 | wols | after debian base is installed you can use your dvd |
| 15:33.13 | wols | d3x: not a DVD on a 1GB drive |
| 15:33.14 | d3x | but still, you need netinst image |
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| 15:33.28 | Macer | there is no mutella pkg in lenny? |
| 15:33.31 | ideamonk | wols, hmm okay, letme go ahead with netinst, also I dont have a dvd drive in that device |
| 15:33.33 | Macer | i can't seem to get the src to build |
| 15:33.36 | d3x | wols, who said it's 1GB? |
| 15:33.48 | wols | ideamonk said |
| 15:34.08 | d3x | oh, missed that part of line |
| 15:34.17 | wols | ideamonk: you cannot use the standard lenny installer. you must use the kmuto one so your hardware is recognized |
| 15:34.17 | Titan8990 | , versions mutella |
| 15:34.19 | judd | mutella -- etch: 0.4.5-5 |
| 15:34.30 | wols | ideamonk: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:34.43 | vadmeste | wols: I tested both 2.6.26 and 2.6.32 debian version of kernel.. and as I said running any of those kernels with squeeze heats up my system. that doesn't happen with lenny... any idea ? |
| 15:35.23 | wols | not really. check what uses the cpu |
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| 15:35.29 | wols | top, ps, etc |
| 15:35.42 | Titan8990 | Macer: frostwire is a good replacement if you don't need the CLI |
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| 15:36.27 | vadmeste | nothing interesting :) |
| 15:36.39 | Macer | Titan8990: i want a console based client |
| 15:37.15 | Macer | there isn't a pkg for mutella .. unless i am missing something |
| 15:37.17 | Titan8990 | Macer: well, mutella appears to be dead upstream, so it won't be that |
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| 15:37.39 | Macer | doh.. there isn't any other console based gnutella client? |
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| 15:38.20 | silidan | how can i force a reinstall of a package and throw away the previous config files without deinstalling it first? |
| 15:38.21 | Titan8990 | Macer: I am sure there is, I do not know of one though. I would imagine many people uses torrents instead these days |
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| 15:38.36 | Macer | yeah but gnutella still comes in handy now and then |
| 15:38.43 | Macer | it's odd that there isn't a console client :) |
| 15:38.43 | Titan8990 | !confmiss |
| 15:38.49 | Macer | mutella was the only one i can think of |
| 15:38.55 | Titan8990 | silidan: you need to use confmiss |
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| 15:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | Macer: gtk-gnutella |
| 15:44.11 | Titan8990 | wouldn't think something with gtk in the name has a CLI |
| 15:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: D'Oh. Moar coffee. |
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| 15:46.35 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: for me its that time of day to switch to soda |
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| 15:47.28 | ideamonk | wols, thanks im getting an iso from kumto :) |
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| 15:48.41 | schmack | why kismet doesn't detects the IP's, the documentation said detects ? |
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| 15:49.10 | azeem_ | schmack: which IPs? |
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| 15:49.19 | schmack | azeem_: fro AP |
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| 15:49.20 | schmack | for |
| 15:49.26 | schmack | .. |
| 15:49.40 | Titan8990 | try again with a complete sentence |
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| 15:50.48 | Without | Hi, i'm trying to do RAID0 on debian through ssh |
| 15:50.50 | Without | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 |
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| 15:50.56 | Without | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
| 15:51.04 | Without | any idea how can i solve it? |
| 15:52.00 | aburch | Without: Why do you want to create a RAID0 with both partitions on the same physical disk? |
| 15:52.18 | WormFood | anyone have a clue as to why I can't copy a DVD under Linux, but the same system (under vmware) on windows, copies the dvd just fine....the DVD is not using CSS, and is not region encoded. |
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| 15:53.15 | Without | aburch: sorry it's mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 15:53.22 | Without | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda: Device or resource busy |
| 15:54.48 | aburch | Without: So stop using /dev/sda? |
| 15:54.48 | WormFood | now I found a DVD that I can't even copy under winblows, because it does not like the disc name....this is rather frustrating. |
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| 15:55.14 | Without | aburch: how can i stop it? any command? |
| 15:55.38 | aburch | Without: Are there any filesystems mounted on /dev/sda*? |
| 15:56.16 | Without | aburch: yes, sda1 & sda2 |
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| 15:57.52 | aburch | Without: Then I believe you should unmount them. |
| 15:58.14 | Without | aburch: how can i unmount with command? |
| 15:59.14 | Titan8990 | Without: umount |
| 15:59.41 | Without | titan8990: i tried |
| 15:59.42 | Without | umount /dev/sda1 |
| 15:59.42 | Without | umount: /: device is busy |
| 15:59.50 | Titan8990 | assuming tha aburch is right and you can't do this because of its in-use status, you need to boot a livecd |
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| 16:00.28 | Without | titan8990: there's no way to do it in ssh? |
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| 16:01.09 | aburch | Without: Booting from somewhere else does not prevent you from using ssh. |
| 16:01.20 | Titan8990 | Without: unmout the root filesystem? not possible on a running system |
| 16:01.28 | aburch | Without: But destroying the filesystem while using it might not be such a good idea. |
| 16:02.11 | Without | aburch: i'm subscribe to the company, therefore i need to request a rescue console right? |
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| 16:02.45 | Titan8990 | Without: is this a dedicated server? |
| 16:03.05 | linduxed | hello, i've got the following problem on my server which i have no idea how to resolve properly: http://yfrog.com/6zhddproblemp |
| 16:03.07 | Without | titan8990: yes it's |
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| 16:04.05 | Helloer | hi, how i can "rename" command php5-cgi to php? |
| 16:05.09 | Titan8990 | linduxed: add both new drives to a VG and mount it a /home? |
| 16:05.32 | Titan8990 | Helloer: are you sure your not looking for php5-cli? |
| 16:05.49 | linduxed | Titan8990: VG? |
| 16:05.54 | Titan8990 | linduxed: volume group |
| 16:05.55 | Helloer | yay php5-cli |
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| 16:06.07 | linduxed | Titan8990: so we're talking about LVM here? |
| 16:06.14 | aburch | Without: Using a recovery system is probably the easiest way, yes. |
| 16:06.16 | Titan8990 | linduxed: yes |
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| 16:06.47 | Titan8990 | linduxed: although, you don't mention the function of the box, or what kind of data needs to be stored |
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| 16:07.07 | linduxed | Titan8990: mainly a storage server |
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| 16:07.25 | linduxed | Titan8990: torrents, irssi, mutt and rss |
| 16:07.29 | linduxed | Titan8990: not much more |
| 16:07.30 | steven_t | hi guys :) |
| 16:07.38 | Titan8990 | linduxed: yeah, I would just combine the drives and mount it to /home or /srv |
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| 16:15.28 | WormFood | I don't understand...I can read a DVD with dvdisaster, and mount the iso on a loopback, and copy all the files to the hard drive, but if I mount the DVD, and read it off the dvd drive, I get I/O errors after 1 to 2 gig...what the fuck is happening? |
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| 16:16.10 | zeropiel | How do I slow down fans? |
| 16:16.24 | zeropiel | /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty |
| 16:16.32 | zeropiel | so is /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 16:16.32 | Helloer | hi, how i can "rename" command php5-cgi to php? |
| 16:16.54 | WormFood | Helloer, ln |
| 16:17.23 | WormFood | I suggest a symbolic link |
| 16:17.48 | \amethyst | there should be a symlink there already |
| 16:18.00 | \amethyst | probably you'd want to update-alternatives --config php |
| 16:18.02 | Titan8990 | a bash alias would also work |
| 16:18.20 | \amethyst | hm |
| 16:18.47 | \amethyst | I guess update-alternatives won't work after all |
| 16:19.03 | \amethyst | since only php5 and php4 are in the alternatives group |
| 16:19.31 | Titan8990 | anyways, he probably wants the php-cli package that I mentioned long ago.... |
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| 16:19.55 | wols | php5-cli |
| 16:20.09 | Titan8990 | yes, php5-cli, sorry |
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| 16:20.53 | keith4 | !tell roe about search |
| 16:21.19 | Titan8990 | keith4: bot is gone |
| 16:21.40 | keith4 | oh. that's sad |
| 16:22.39 | roe | ha! fsck you |
| 16:23.27 | roe | keith4, wanna join oftc.net and tell me there? |
| 16:23.37 | Titan8990 | the bot is also gone from oftc |
| 16:23.38 | keith4 | i just might |
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| 16:23.42 | keith4 | d'oh! |
| 16:23.53 | roe | ha, you are just all full of fail today |
| 16:23.57 | keith4 | Titan8990: what happened? is he okay? |
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| 16:24.15 | keith4 | roe: i'm not the one who fails at basic debian knowledge, like searching for a package |
| 16:24.21 | mxldr | !permasunday |
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| 16:24.45 | mxldr | !ubuntu |
| 16:24.49 | Titan8990 | keith4: don't know. I believe the owner has been informed |
| 16:24.54 | Titan8990 | mxldr: no bot today |
| 16:24.59 | mxldr | oh |
| 16:25.05 | mxldr | that makes me frown |
| 16:25.07 | mxldr | why no bot? |
| 16:25.10 | WormFood | OMG! NO BOT?!? the end of the world is near |
| 16:25.20 | mxldr | f that. i need bot today |
| 16:25.20 | Titan8990 | mxldr: see what I just said to keith4 |
| 16:25.36 | mxldr | i just got here titan8990 |
| 16:25.46 | WormFood | runs around in circles shouting "OMG! We're all gonna die!" over and over |
| 16:26.05 | roe | keith4 will step in for the bot until he returns |
| 16:26.07 | Titan8990 | mxldr: yes, and said two things before I responded to keith4's question, which was the same as your question |
| 16:26.14 | roe | he's good at repeating unhelpful information |
| 16:27.05 | simonrvn | %bot |
| 16:27.05 | mxldr | I JUST GOT HERE TO THE CHANNEL. I CANT SEE WHAT YOU WROTE TO KEITH4 BECAUSE I WASNT HERE. YES, I AM SHOUTING. |
| 16:27.08 | ravenbird | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:27.20 | keith4 | mxldr: <Titan8990> keith4: don't know. I believe the owner has been informed |
| 16:27.42 | keith4 | mxldr: that was said WHILE YOU WERE HERE |
| 16:27.46 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.07 | simonrvn | %ubuntu |
| 16:28.09 | ravenbird | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 16:28.21 | Titan8990 | yay! backup bot |
| 16:28.26 | simonrvn | Titan8990: replacement bot until the regular one comes back |
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| 16:28.29 | mxldr | %permasunday |
| 16:28.31 | ravenbird | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 16:28.35 | mxldr | sweet |
| 16:28.37 | simonrvn | i fetched last night's db dump |
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| 16:28.53 | keith4 | %tell roe about search |
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| 16:29.09 | simonrvn | er, not sure that'll work though |
| 16:29.10 | jhamlin | where is the dpkg bot?? |
| 16:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | There's a web interface to the bot that might still be up. Unfortunately, only the bot knows the url. |
| 16:29.35 | simonrvn | it's not a blootbot/infobot and that tell stuff needs work still |
| 16:29.37 | jhutchins_lt | jhamlin: He got promoted. |
| 16:29.42 | roe | %tell roe about ravenbird |
| 16:29.51 | simonrvn | ... |
| 16:30.28 | jhamlin | jhutchins_lt: like he's up on the 12th floor now and doesn't have time for us? |
| 16:30.29 | roe | ravenbird isn't very helpful |
| 16:30.32 | ravenbird | roe: I haven't a clue. |
| 16:30.35 | noob^3 | hi i have a problem with apt |
| 16:30.46 | roe | apparentl |
| 16:30.48 | jhamlin | hmm okay what do I need to install to get "make"? on lenny |
| 16:30.50 | roe | apparently |
| 16:31.04 | \amethyst | jhamlin: the package is also called 'make' |
| 16:31.19 | roe | you might want to also investigate build-essentials |
| 16:31.22 | keith4 | jhamlin: ask roe. he's just learning how to search |
| 16:31.38 | simonrvn | roe: i just finished saying something, and you proceed to ignore that. and it's 'build-essential' |
| 16:31.54 | simonrvn | %lart roe |
| 16:31.55 | ravenbird | flings poo at roe |
| 16:31.56 | noob^3 | debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found on PATH. dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. dpkg: warning: 'update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 16:31.56 | noob^3 | dpkg: 3 expected program(s) not found on PATH. NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 16:32.48 | noob^3 | apt-get install apt-utils also don´t work |
| 16:32.52 | keith4 | uh. whoa. what did you do? |
| 16:32.54 | Titan8990 | noob^3: what are you trying to do? what debian version should you be running? have you recently tried to upgrade to a new version? |
| 16:33.03 | Titan8990 | keith4: most likely, botched a libc6 upgrade |
| 16:33.11 | lindi- | Titan8990: he asked the same question on #debian-openmoko |
| 16:33.14 | lindi- | Titan8990: the bug is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571086 |
| 16:33.22 | roe | simonrvn, your use of pronouns was ambiguous |
| 16:33.25 | jhamlin | ** Compiling vboxdrv |
| 16:33.27 | jhamlin | Makefile:152: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 16:33.37 | noob^3 | i like to install some programms |
| 16:33.46 | simonrvn | roe: like i give a flying fig |
| 16:33.53 | noob^3 | but i thik i have a spetial kernel |
| 16:33.53 | valdyn | jhamlin: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:34.10 | Titan8990 | lindi-: thanks |
| 16:34.19 | roe | don't waste figs, they are very nutritious |
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| 16:34.26 | Titan8990 | noob^3: you should not ask for help in two channels if you already recieving help in one |
| 16:34.26 | noob^3 | 2.6.29-20100118.gita15608f2 |
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| 16:34.53 | Titan8990 | noob^3: that looks like an openvz kernel, which only tells us about your host, not your actual system |
| 16:34.54 | simonrvn | roe: you were supposed to catch it |
| 16:35.11 | roe | doh |
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| 16:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Figured out the print thing. bad User in cups.conf, and I didn't initially find it 'cause find is case sensitive. |
| 16:35.18 | noob^3 | oh sry |
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| 16:35.47 | lindi- | Titan8990: it's openmoko kernel |
| 16:35.49 | Titan8990 | lindi-: what server is that on? |
| 16:35.55 | lindi- | Titan8990: what? |
| 16:36.06 | keith4 | seems like he could just... export PATH properly, and move on with his life. no? |
| 16:36.11 | Titan8990 | lindi-: I just tried to join #debian-openmoko on freenode and oftc |
| 16:36.21 | lindi- | keith4: but base-filse package removed the export PATH from /profile |
| 16:36.27 | jhamlin | valdyn: that didn't quite work. see http://paste.debian.net/67884/ |
| 16:36.30 | lindi- | keith4: and now all new installations of debian do not set PATH |
| 16:36.42 | lindi- | keith4: you won't get this change by upgrading. only on new installation |
| 16:36.54 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 16:36.54 | keith4 | ah. nice work |
| 16:37.21 | valdyn | !kbuild |
| 16:37.22 | lindi- | Titan8990: freenode i think |
| 16:37.45 | keith4 | %kbuild |
| 16:37.45 | valdyn | jhamlin: use a kernel that has a kbuild package like 2.6.30 or make that package yourself - see the debian wiki |
| 16:37.47 | simonrvn | isn't that like retarded? |
| 16:37.57 | lindi- | simonrvn: are you commenting on the PATH issue? |
| 16:38.01 | ravenbird | see d-k |
| 16:38.02 | valdyn | , kbuild |
| 16:38.07 | valdyn | !d-k |
| 16:38.11 | Titan8990 | lindi-: 12:36 -!- Irssi: #debian-openmoko: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] |
| 16:38.18 | valdyn | ravenbird: d-k |
| 16:38.21 | lindi- | Titan8990: sorry #openmoko-debian |
| 16:38.24 | valdyn | gah |
| 16:38.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:38.26 | Titan8990 | lindi-: ah, ok |
| 16:38.27 | ravenbird | see trunk kernel |
| 16:38.35 | simonrvn | pradon the lag, load agv of ~6 |
| 16:38.38 | valdyn | %trunk kernel |
| 16:38.44 | ravenbird | Debian kernel snapshot packages are not available from kernel-archive.buildserver.net due to a UPS failure. Ask me about <kernel package> instead, see also http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org. <kernel abi> |
| 16:38.48 | lindi- | simonrvn: I think so too but I haven't managed to convince the maintainer to revert |
| 16:38.56 | keith4 | this bug is filed against "dropbear" though |
| 16:39.01 | lindi- | keith4: he reassigned it |
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| 16:39.15 | lindi- | keith4: but it happens with openssh too |
| 16:39.20 | lindi- | keith4: and without any ssh |
| 16:39.40 | keith4 | if none of that stuff reads this login.defs file... what *does* read it? |
| 16:39.41 | \amethyst | simonrvn: # While we are at it, comment out everything about PATH, as /etc/login.defs should already care about this. |
| 16:39.48 | \amethyst | simonrvn: from the 5.1 changelog |
| 16:39.53 | lindi- | keith4: login reads it |
| 16:39.55 | simonrvn | valdyn: factoid rdrection isn't implemente yet =) |
| 16:40.05 | lindi- | keith4: but people don't use login when they use openssh or dropbear |
| 16:40.24 | simonrvn | \amethyst: oh ffs |
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| 16:41.02 | jhamlin | valdyn: like perhaps linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64? |
| 16:41.10 | keith4 | wow. this bug report is one giant FACEPALM |
| 16:41.15 | lindi- | \amethyst: login reads it but the issue is that openssh and dropbear don't use login |
| 16:41.56 | \amethyst | which affects login and su, but not, as was pointed out, openssh or sudo -i |
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| 16:42.44 | lindi- | \amethyst: I guess he got confused by the fact that I was using dropbear which is quite rare |
| 16:42.45 | keith4 | then will "su -" set root's path correctly? |
| 16:43.07 | \amethyst | keith4: it should set it from /etc/login.defs |
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| 16:44.58 | lindi- | keith4: "su -" seems to include the path from login.defs. |
| 16:45.15 | lindi- | keith4: "sudo -i" does not |
| 16:45.25 | keith4 | what about sudo -s? |
| 16:45.36 | \amethyst | it also will not |
| 16:45.37 | Titan8990 | su - or su -l should make a new login session |
| 16:45.41 | \amethyst | sudo doesn't use login.defs |
| 16:45.43 | keith4 | so... now it behaves like RHEL ;-) |
| 16:45.54 | lindi- | keith4: "sudo -s" does not read it from login.defs. |
| 16:46.29 | lindi- | keith4: how do you set it there? |
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| 16:46.41 | \amethyst | this is arguably a reason to use sudo su instead of sudo -i |
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| 16:47.07 | lindi- | \amethyst: ok but what about ssh servers? |
| 16:47.07 | keith4 | lindi-: on RHEL/CentOS/FC, "su" doesn't get your root's path, but "su -" does |
| 16:47.18 | lindi- | keith4: ok |
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| 16:47.28 | lindi- | keith4: i think ssh servers are the largest problem here |
| 16:47.36 | keith4 | well, sure. there is still *that* |
| 16:47.57 | lindi- | having only "/sbin" is not very useful :) |
| 16:48.19 | lindi- | keith4: should I just reassign it back to base-files? |
| 16:48.51 | lindi- | keith4: this bug is particularly nasty: upgrade can not fix it since /etc/profile is installed only on installation |
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| 16:49.06 | lindi- | keith4: so if we ship squeeze like this it's difficult to deliver fixes |
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| 16:50.18 | omid8bimo | hey i'm trying to use xdm to load my own window manager (Awesome) after log-in instead of gnome. anybody knows how? |
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| 16:50.31 | lindi- | omid8bimo: put it to .xsession |
| 16:50.43 | jhamlin_ | Does anyone know when the dpkg bot will be back? |
| 16:50.45 | \amethyst | hm.. to fix it with ssh you'd need a new file for pam_env to process only for root, and pam rules to do that |
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| 16:51.08 | omid8bimo | lindi-: what should it contain? |
| 16:51.17 | lindi- | omid8bimo: the commands to start your wm |
| 16:51.18 | \amethyst | I mean, other than just putting the PATH stuff back in /etc/profile |
| 16:51.20 | Titan8990 | lindi-: would update-alternatives --config x-session-manager accomplish the same? |
| 16:51.32 | lindi- | Titan8990: no if a display manager is installed |
| 16:51.40 | lindi- | Titan8990: s/display manager/desktop environment/ |
| 16:51.51 | jelly | jhamlin_: use ravenbird in the meantime, it's a little rough along the edges but mostly harmless |
| 16:52.02 | lindi- | Titan8990: since even with gnome you have a x-session-manager ste |
| 16:52.03 | jhamlin_ | jelly: excellent thanks |
| 16:52.13 | omid8bimo | lindi-: that's it? i've put those command in .xinitrc , wont be used i guess |
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| 16:52.19 | jham | duh.. |
| 16:52.24 | lindi- | omid8bimo: no idae about .xinitrc |
| 16:52.40 | omid8bimo | lindi-: all right i'll test that. tanq :) |
| 16:52.50 | Titan8990 | omid8bimo: .xinitrc is only called on "startx" iirc |
| 16:52.53 | lindi- | \amethyst: maybe, i don't know if pam can read login.defs |
| 16:53.12 | \amethyst | lindi-: it can't; you'd need a second file duplicating the path setting |
| 16:53.21 | keith4 | lindi-: i'd like the recreate this myself. do i need a nightly installer? |
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| 16:53.31 | \amethyst | lindi-: actually, two files... /etc/environment for normal users, and a new one for root |
| 16:53.41 | lindi- | \amethyst: yep |
| 16:53.45 | lindi- | keith4: I used debootstrap |
| 16:53.53 | lindi- | keith4: since this is how I install debian to openmoko |
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| 16:54.04 | \amethyst | lindi-: which would be no better than just setting it in /etc/profile (except, I guess, that it would work for all shells, not just Bourne-style ones) |
| 16:54.21 | lindi- | \amethyst: i guess |
| 16:54.40 | lindi- | \amethyst: i'm pretty ok with any solution that works here :) |
| 16:54.57 | \amethyst | lindi-: I'd add it back to /etc/profile then |
| 16:55.10 | lindi- | keith4: you can start openssh-server inside chroot in different port easily to test the bug |
| 16:55.42 | keith4 | i'd rather install it fresh, on a new VM |
| 16:55.49 | \amethyst | lindi-: but I agree that this is a problem for people who login with programs other than login and su, and think it should be a bug in base-files |
| 16:56.11 | Cope | ok so i've just spent some time rebuilding /var/lib/dpkg on 4 machines; one of them still doesn't return anything from dpkg -l |
| 16:56.39 | \amethyst | lindi-: unless the base-files maintainer really thinks that all entry points to the system should use login.defs, in which case Debian is going to be maintaining significant patches to security-sensitive programs |
| 16:56.47 | lindi- | \amethyst: yep |
| 16:57.05 | Cope | what does dpkg -l read? |
| 16:57.23 | lindi- | keith4: I do not understand how d-i really works so I don't know how to install unstable with it |
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| 16:57.49 | lindi- | keith4: I wish we'll have an installer that behaves more like a normal program in the future |
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| 17:01.10 | sparr | Are you able to select multiple files to attach at once in gmail in Iceweasel? http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/updates-to-attachments-multi-select-and.html |
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| 17:03.27 | random_ | Hey is any one able to help me get Teamspeak 3 installed and working? |
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| 17:03.47 | wols | random_: state your real problem |
| 17:04.18 | random_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.30 | wols | tell this to the teamspeak people then |
| 17:04.50 | jelly | %teamspeak |
| 17:05.00 | ravenbird | jelly: are you using Windows? |
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| 17:05.38 | Titan8990 | IIRC, teamspeak 3 is not even finished |
| 17:06.33 | Titan8990 | ah, it is out now, nice |
| 17:06.47 | ranix | can someone bring back dpkg |
| 17:06.55 | Titan8990 | nvm... the package is labeled "beta" but of course they don't mention that in the descriptions |
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| 17:07.14 | Titan8990 | ranix: use ravenbird until dpkg gets back |
| 17:07.58 | ranix | ok |
| 17:08.24 | simonrvn | well, this is helping me find bugs ;) |
| 17:08.30 | jhamlin_ | so I had installed backported kernel 2.6.32 and managed to get that to work with my wireless (I had to install some firmware but now cant remember details - it's related to intel 5100 i think). Now I find that to install virtual box I need to go to kernel 2.6.30. But installing that kernel breaks my wireless. How can I get wireless back? |
| 17:09.04 | simonrvn | %teamspeak |
| 17:09.04 | ranix | nah ravenbird is too old |
| 17:09.06 | ravenbird | proprietary <VoIP> software that allows users to speak on a chat channel with other users, much like a telephone conference call. A TeamSpeak user will often wear a headset with an integrated microphone. Users use the TeamSpeak client software to connect to a TeamSpeak server of their choice, from there they can join chat channels. Packaged for Debian as teamspeak-client and teamspeak- (1 more message) |
| 17:09.23 | jelly | ravenbird: more simonrvn |
| 17:09.25 | ravenbird | jelly: server, ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 17:09.31 | simonrvn | ranix: i dumped last night's db dump to it |
| 17:09.41 | jelly | judd: versions teamspeak-server |
| 17:09.42 | judd | teamspeak-server -- lenny/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1; sid/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1; squeeze/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1 |
| 17:09.49 | jhamlin_ | I have a package installed "firmware-linux-free" but the only available version of that seems to be 2.6.32-9~bpo50+1 |
| 17:10.19 | simonrvn | ranix: switched out dbs, made a new one with dpkg's, and rb's currently running from the new one |
| 17:10.20 | jhamlin_ | Is there some way to get a version of that package for 2.6.30? |
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| 17:10.32 | simonrvn | anyway, need food. bbiab |
| 17:10.40 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: look on backports.org and see if it is available |
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| 17:11.14 | keith4 | jhamlin_: doesn't look like it: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-linux-free |
| 17:11.18 | jelly | jhamlin_: firmware packages carry binaries for older kernels too. |
| 17:12.12 | jelly | jhamlin_: that way one can have different versions of kernels installed, and eg. one firmware-linux-nonfree to make certain drivers work on any |
| 17:12.14 | jhamlin_ | jelly: does that mean that it should just work anyway... it doesn't seem to but maybe there is something simple I need to do |
| 17:12.42 | jelly | jhamlin_: perhaps the old kernel really doesn't support your hardware, regardless of the firmware issues |
| 17:13.24 | jhamlin_ | jelly: dpkg had a very useful factoid that I followed to get wireless working in the first place but now I can't remember what it was... |
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| 17:13.39 | jelly | %wireless |
| 17:13.42 | ravenbird | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. (1 more message) |
| 17:13.45 | jelly | %iwlwifi |
| 17:13.46 | ravenbird | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:13.53 | jelly | %iwlagn |
| 17:13.54 | ravenbird | the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 17:14.00 | wols | please stop the spam |
| 17:14.25 | simonrvn | "make it stop!!!111oneone" |
| 17:14.26 | jelly | wols: I will, when dpkg comes back or someone makes a better bot. |
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| 17:14.49 | simonrvn | hey! |
| 17:14.56 | wols | jelly: /msg ravenbird %iwlagn. HTH. HAND |
| 17:15.08 | jhamlin_ | jelly: yess that iwlagn is the one. many thanks |
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| 17:20.44 | WormFood | what would cause a DVD to crap out with I/O errors after a gig, but I can copy the .iso image with dvdisaster? (no CSS, no copy protection, no region) |
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| 17:21.47 | JyZyXEL | WormFood: when your burning a DVD or reading? |
| 17:21.47 | WormFood | when reading a dvd...pressed DVD...I have no problems reading any of the data DVDs I make |
| 17:22.15 | Vasistha | WormFood: could the iso be corrupt? |
| 17:22.32 | WormFood | no Vasistha, I can read the DVD perfectly in dvdisaster |
| 17:22.36 | JyZyXEL | so the problem appears with all commercially sold DVD's only? |
| 17:22.48 | valdyn | WormFood: broken dvd drive |
| 17:22.54 | WormFood | and I can read the DVD under windows (under vmware), on the same dvd drive |
| 17:23.25 | valdyn | WormFood: when does it crap out? on playback? |
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| 17:23.32 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, yes, the problem seems to appear with only commercially sold DVDs |
| 17:23.32 | JyZyXEL | what does it crap out with? |
| 17:23.48 | Without | Hi, anyone have tutorial installing RAID0 using mdadm? as i just mess up with my debian couldn't retrieve it back. |
| 17:23.52 | WormFood | valdyn, I'm just trying to copy the files off the DVD...yes, playing it with vlc will crap out too |
| 17:24.08 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, I get I/O errors, and it refuses to read anything more of the drive. |
| 17:24.30 | WormFood | O |
| 17:24.35 | valdyn | WormFood: so - the dvd is ok, but the file references are referencing broken areas that dont exist? |
| 17:24.39 | jhamlin_ | So http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn seems to indicate I should use the 2.6.32 kernel to get iwlagn working with lenny. but I need 2.6.30 to intstall virtualbox (non-OSE). When I boot into backported 2.6.30 kernel, wireless doesn't work (it did in backported 2.6.32). If I do e.g. `ifconfig wlan0 up` I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory". Is there something simple I'm missing to get wireless working with the 2.6.30 kernel? |
| 17:24.49 | JyZyXEL | well it seems unlikely only some software would cause I/O errors |
| 17:24.57 | valdyn | WormFood: the i/o errors tell you *which* areas cannot be read |
| 17:24.59 | WormFood | I've analyzed the DVD in anydvd on winblows, and it says there is no copyprotection |
| 17:25.00 | JyZyXEL | they all use the same api to access it |
| 17:25.11 | JyZyXEL | thru the same drivers |
| 17:25.14 | WormFood | but I can read the whole DVD fine with dvdisaster |
| 17:25.28 | WormFood | no bad sectors reported with dvdisaster |
| 17:25.38 | valdyn | WormFood: you need to find the areas that give i/o errors and verify those even exist |
| 17:25.47 | JyZyXEL | maybe its throttling the read speed or something o.O |
| 17:25.54 | WormFood | valdyn, it isn't referencing files that don't exist, because I can read the dvd fine under winblows and from an .iso image |
| 17:25.58 | JyZyXEL | what interface is the reader in |
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| 17:26.05 | craigevil | WormFood: tried a different kernel? on my system the 2.6.32-3 wont recognize my dvd burner, but 2.6.32-2 does go figure |
| 17:26.07 | amphi | jhamlin_: iwlagn worked here with .30 if I recall correctly - I have a 4965 |
| 17:26.13 | valdyn | WormFood: now you mean "i can read the files" I suppose |
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| 17:26.29 | WormFood | craigevil, no, not yet...that thought also crossed my mind...maybe something new was added that broked it |
| 17:26.30 | valdyn | WormFood: try the same things on an iso image then |
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| 17:26.48 | WormFood | valdyn, when I mount the .iso on a loopback, I can cp the files just fine |
| 17:26.59 | JyZyXEL | what hardware interface does the reader use? |
| 17:27.04 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: I don't know if this would work, but have you considered trying one of the ubuntu virtualbox releases? Maybe check out which kernels those different ubuntus use and if one uses 2.6.32 try it? It's kind of a long shot. http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/pool/non-free/v/virtualbox-3.1/ |
| 17:27.07 | WormFood | and the filesystem type is the same when I mount /dev/scd0 or a loopback |
| 17:27.10 | WormFood | it is sata |
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| 17:27.30 | WormFood | is that what you're asking? |
| 17:27.30 | jamesstanley | I just did the udev upgrade for squeeze in my VPS, and then noticed that I don't have control over the kernel version |
| 17:27.32 | jhamlin_ | amphi: would it make sense that I would have to reinstall firmware-iwlwifi and/or firmware-linux-free while booted into the 2.6.30 kernel? |
| 17:27.44 | jamesstanley | How can I make sure it goes back to the old udev version? |
| 17:27.45 | JyZyXEL | i had alot of I/O errors when using a sata DVD burner thru a USB bridge |
| 17:27.55 | jhamlin_ | or reconfigure at least? |
| 17:28.01 | Vasistha | jhamlin_: depending on your installation method, that may make the process easier |
| 17:28.03 | valdyn | WormFood: which driver is that controller using? |
| 17:28.06 | WormFood | heh...no using a usb bridge...internal sata |
| 17:28.06 | amphi | jhamlin_: tail the log while you modprobe the module; you'll see if there is any fw problem |
| 17:28.12 | valdyn | WormFood: maybe you can use an alternate driver |
| 17:28.24 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 17:28.27 | WormFood | is there an alternate driver? |
| 17:28.44 | valdyn | WormFood: for many controllers yes |
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| 17:29.22 | Rienzilla | how does one debootstrap a debian system for a different architecture (when one does not have a machine with that architecture running debian?) |
| 17:29.28 | JyZyXEL | rsync sure wasn't bothered by I/O errors it just read the file again if I/O errors occured |
| 17:29.29 | jhamlin_ | amphi: which is the logfile that I need to tail? |
| 17:29.51 | WormFood | if it was a driver issue, then why does dvdisaster work to read it? wouldn't that use the same driver that cp does? |
| 17:29.56 | JyZyXEL | but im sure different drivers have different ways to handle the errors |
| 17:30.15 | JyZyXEL | that is weird indeed |
| 17:30.28 | amphi | jhamlin_: try /var/log/syslog |
| 17:30.44 | amphi | jhamlin_: and firmware-iwlwifi is the one you need |
| 17:30.44 | valdyn | WormFood: dvdisaster does something different |
| 17:30.45 | JyZyXEL | all i could think of maybe its reading the data slower somehow |
| 17:30.53 | valdyn | WormFood: it doesn't copy files |
| 17:31.04 | jhamlin_ | amphi: actually jsut looking at the tail for dmesg I see some things like "iwlwifi-1000-1.ucode firmware file req failed" |
| 17:31.08 | valdyn | WormFood: it doesn't seek |
| 17:31.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thanks for reviving dpkg! |
| 17:31.38 | JyZyXEL | well if it doesn't copy then no wonder :P |
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| 17:31.55 | valdyn | WormFood: your broken dvd drive obviously does not exhibit the same error with different drivers as you can see in windows |
| 17:32.05 | amphi | jhamlin_: there you go - do apt-file search iwlwifi-1000-1.ucode |
| 17:32.15 | amphi | jhamlin_: that will tell you what package it's in |
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| 17:32.44 | WormFood | I really don't think the dvd drive is broken, I feel it is more likely a software issue |
| 17:33.00 | valdyn | WormFood: so try a different driver duh |
| 17:33.02 | WormFood | because I get the same problems on another computer tooe |
| 17:33.12 | abrotman | with the same disc ? |
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| 17:33.19 | WormFood | valdyn, I will look into that |
| 17:33.44 | WormFood | abrotman, I haven't tried all of my disks, since I change the way I was copying them, but I get problems under Linux with the ones I tried. |
| 17:33.44 | valdyn | ( though taht seems to say that the disk is broken ) |
| 17:33.47 | jhamlin_ | amphi: hmmm apt-file doesn't find anything |
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| 17:34.03 | abrotman | WormFood: just wanted to make sure you've tried more than one |
| 17:34.19 | Titan8990 | jhamlin_: enable non-free and contrib sources |
| 17:34.29 | WormFood | if the disk is broken, then why can I read it in windows, and using dvdisaster....I tried more than one, but not a lot |
| 17:34.30 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if cp and dd would make any difference |
| 17:34.43 | Titan8990 | !iwlwifi |
| 17:34.43 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:34.50 | WormFood | dd and cp are basically the same thing, if working at the device level |
| 17:34.56 | Titan8990 | jhamlin_: firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 17:35.09 | JyZyXEL | well dd works straight off the block device |
| 17:35.09 | valdyn | WormFood: you dont know the timining related possible interactions between your drives firmware, the disk and the driver and what the driver does etc |
| 17:35.14 | JyZyXEL | and cp goes thru the FS layer |
| 17:35.16 | WormFood | I didn't try to cp /dev/scd0 to an .iso file...maybe that would work, but I sorta doubt it |
| 17:35.19 | amphi | jhamlin_: apt-file update ? |
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| 17:35.29 | jhamlin_ | amphi: I updated just before searching |
| 17:35.42 | emerica | Timing buffered disk reads: 2648 MB in 3.00 seconds = 881.84 MB/sec Decent? |
| 17:35.51 | JyZyXEL | but i guess I/O error is error on the device level |
| 17:35.56 | JyZyXEL | so it wouldn't make a difference |
| 17:35.58 | valdyn | emerica: thats a slow computer |
| 17:36.02 | emerica | bummer |
| 17:36.05 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, what are you talking about? if cp and dd both are accessing /dev/scd0, then it should be doing it the same way, since it is the same device |
| 17:36.06 | mcgreg | sry, my question is OT but I have no idea where to ask ;) my bios does support ECC for memory but is it disabled. is it useful to enable it? |
| 17:36.10 | amphi | jhamlin_: try apt-file search iwlwifi-1000 |
| 17:36.28 | amphi | jhamlin_: if you find a version, I'd try that before hunting about for -1 |
| 17:36.33 | WormFood | mcgreg, if you have to ask that question, then you probably don't have ecc ram, since it is more expensive |
| 17:36.41 | JyZyXEL | WormFood: but cp accesses the device thru the filesystem |
| 17:36.52 | valdyn | emerica: thats a slow computer compared to i7 i suppose: Timing cached reads: 6342 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3173.93 MB/sec |
| 17:36.59 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, go back and read what I said |
| 17:37.11 | emerica | Timing cached reads: 18260 MB in 2.00 seconds = 9141.59 MB/sec |
| 17:37.23 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, "cp /dev/scd0 somefile.iso", is the same as "dd if=/dev/scd0 of=somefile.iso" |
| 17:37.24 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
| 17:37.32 | valdyn | emerica: oh, i misread the first one |
| 17:37.35 | JyZyXEL | yea thats the same thing indeed |
| 17:37.47 | WormFood | which I didn't try yet |
| 17:38.08 | JyZyXEL | i guess you could try it |
| 17:38.10 | jhamlin_ | amphi: that returns "firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode" but dmesg always seems to refer to -1.ucode or -2.ucode |
| 17:38.38 | WormFood | I will try it after this CD I'm copying now....but, it still does not solve the problem |
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| 17:39.08 | JyZyXEL | well atleast it would rule filesystem layer out =) |
| 17:39.23 | WormFood | mounting it on a loopback, would rule that out too :P |
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| 17:39.26 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 17:39.38 | JyZyXEL | then the next thing is sata controllers drivers |
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| 17:39.54 | WormFood | which is why I commented that when I mount /dev/scd0 and on a loopback, it uses the same file system (udf I think) |
| 17:40.01 | silidan | help cant find: avifile-win32-plugin in debian sid repos... (amd64) |
| 17:40.20 | Titan8990 | !win32codecs |
| 17:40.20 | dpkg | w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 17:40.33 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, which comes back to, why can I copy it with dvdisaster if it was a driver issue? |
| 17:41.18 | mcgreg | WormFood: hmm ok, thx |
| 17:41.20 | abrotman | knows there is a tell feature ... |
| 17:41.20 | WormFood | that is what has me stumped....granted, reading it with dvdisaster is a little different than going through the file system....I wouldn't expect that to hide driver problems |
| 17:41.21 | cr3rzemjest | where do i add properly 1(one) command - not a script, just 1 command, so that it's executed during boot? just like xinitrc for X... i don't want any start/stop script. it's 'vcstime' i want to be started automatically... |
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| 17:41.32 | JyZyXEL | WormFood: but somebody said dvdisaster doesn't copy |
| 17:41.39 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea what it is myself |
| 17:41.58 | WormFood | 0.72 sure as hell will copy the DVD to an .iso file |
| 17:42.19 | WormFood | of course, you have to know what to do...but it is simple....that is what the "read" button is for ;) |
| 17:43.02 | WormFood | what happens if you have a scratched CD, and you read it using dvdisaster to an .iso file....if the image has been augmented with recovery data, you can rebuild the .iso file, and reburn it to a new cd/dvd |
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| 17:43.42 | WormFood | I commonly augment my important data with recovery info...I really like that feature of dvdisaster |
| 17:44.38 | WormFood | some of these DVDs show bad sectors, even tho the DVD looks perfectly fine physically....I'm wondering if they've gotten "bit rot" |
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| 17:45.21 | cr3rzemjest | can it be /etc/rc.local? |
| 17:45.50 | Titan8990 | !rc.local |
| 17:45.50 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 17:46.04 | silidan | Titan8990: yes its non-free, but its also not in non-free ! |
| 17:46.23 | silidan | Titan8990: the other avifile-blabla-plugins i can find in nonfree |
| 17:46.34 | Titan8990 | silidan: right, that is exactly what the factoid says. you have to get it from dmm |
| 17:46.51 | Titan8990 | silidan: and I am not even sure how win"32"codecs word on amd64 if at all |
| 17:46.53 | silidan | dmm=? |
| 17:46.56 | Titan8990 | !dmm |
| 17:46.56 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 17:47.16 | simonrvn | oh it's back, yay |
| 17:47.34 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 17:47.35 | abrotman | !tell Titan8990 about tell |
| 17:47.39 | amphi | jhamlin_: you could try with -3 |
| 17:47.48 | jelly | dpkg: uptime |
| 17:47.52 | jelly | dpkg: wb |
| 17:47.53 | dpkg | thanks, jelly. It's good to be back. |
| 17:48.08 | Titan8990 | abrotman: hey now... dpkg has a lot of channel spam to make for |
| 17:48.09 | amphi | jhamlin_: if that doesn't work, maybe you can get -1 from snapshot |
| 17:48.22 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:48.43 | Titan8990 | s/make for/make up for |
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| 17:49.45 | emerica | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.57 | silidan | Titan8990: thanks fot the hint on that multimedia repo, but i still cant find the package there.... |
| 17:50.24 | JyZyXEL | emerica: i think xfs had a switch to improve power loss reliability? |
| 17:50.28 | lindi- | emerica: i would use multiple smaller filesystems |
| 17:50.28 | Titan8990 | emerica: XFS is usually what I hear recommended for that sort of situation |
| 17:50.51 | silidan | Titan8990: looks like its in lennys repo? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/avifile-win32-plugin |
| 17:51.22 | Titan8990 | silidan: no idea, your a sid user, you should be good at this stuff |
| 17:51.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: status |
| 17:51.50 | dpkg | Since Wed Apr 7 17:19:58 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 1 dunno, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 31m 51s this session, and currently reference 39181 factoids. I'm using about 16160 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.37/0.31 child 0/0 |
| 17:52.21 | Titan8990 | what increments the moron counter? |
| 17:52.44 | maligor | all filesystems have reliability issues in powerloss situations |
| 17:52.52 | maligor | that's why you're supposed to use a ups :P |
| 17:52.55 | lindi- | maligor: read-only ones don't :) |
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| 17:53.29 | maligor | and I think ext3/4 have the same 'reliability' issue now as xfs |
| 17:53.30 | Vasistha | Titan8990: maybe if you pester it with idiocy |
| 17:53.57 | bzrk | emerica: xfs is a good filesystem, you can safely use that |
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| 17:54.00 | JyZyXEL | now what really has the issues in power loss situations is parity based raid's |
| 17:54.16 | bzrk | emerica: alternatively have a look at jfs |
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| 17:54.45 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: based on the "moron" factoid, I would say it increments when it think someone is talking to the bot as if the bot was a person |
| 17:55.14 | Vasistha | Titan8990: haha... I wonder how it detects that |
| 17:55.20 | JyZyXEL | i don't think xfs offers any more reliability than ext3/4 ? |
| 17:55.21 | Titan8990 | !moron |
| 17:55.22 | dpkg | hmm... moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
| 17:55.41 | Vasistha | dpkg: thanks for that tip, now how do I install internet explorer? |
| 17:55.41 | dpkg | gern geschehen, Vasistha |
| 17:55.43 | wols | Titan8990: the moron one is sort of broken I think. one is always moron #1 |
| 17:55.51 | Titan8990 | dpkg: this a test of a really long line to see if you incrment the moron counter ----------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 17:55.51 | dpkg | Titan8990: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:55.51 | silidan | Titan8990: o well you know i ask while i work on the problem myself, it increases chances that it gets solved when i also asked other ppl, it gives ideas, and sometimes plain solutions... |
| 17:56.04 | Titan8990 | wols: ah |
| 17:56.19 | JyZyXEL | emerica: also ext3/4 can be converted to brtfs |
| 17:56.27 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 17:56.28 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:56.36 | JyZyXEL | which is gonna be the next big thing once it hits stable status |
| 17:56.44 | Titan8990 | silidan: take note of "sid is not supported in #debian" |
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| 17:57.03 | JyZyXEL | btrfs i mean |
| 17:57.19 | simonrvn | if you run sid, you are expected to know how to manage the package system |
| 17:57.30 | simonrvn | file bugs, participate |
| 17:57.44 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: it counted on of us |
| 17:57.45 | simonrvn | not because you want bleeding edge |
| 17:57.54 | Titan8990 | !status |
| 17:57.55 | dpkg | Since Wed Apr 7 17:19:58 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 9 questions, 2 dunnos, 1 moron and 2 commands. I have been awake for 37m 56s this session, and currently reference 39181 factoids. I'm using about 16160 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.87/0.37 child 0/0 |
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| 17:59.58 | Vasistha | Titan8990: it was yours... I sent another one, and I was person #2. I think it just parsed mine as a "thank you" |
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| 18:01.00 | silidan | Titan8990: well there also is no lenny package for amd64 so i dont think its a sid only related problem... |
| 18:01.39 | silidan | is there a way i can use i386 packages on amd64? |
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| 18:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | silidan: The 32 bit codecs aren't likely to work. |
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| 18:06.49 | Nwallins | what's a good way to tell if a group exists, in a shell script? |
| 18:07.08 | jhutchins_lt | silidan: I believe some people set up a 32b chroot or something like that, but you're better off finding better tools that handle the codecs natively, without the win32 stuff. |
| 18:07.21 | keith4 | hugs dpkg |
| 18:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: Welcome back! |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 18:08.06 | Vasistha | Nwallins: I dunno if there's a command for it, but: if grep "^$groupname:" /etc/group >/dev/null; then ... |
| 18:08.14 | keith4 | Nwallins: getent group <name> ? |
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| 18:08.22 | Vasistha | there we go, much better |
| 18:08.24 | abrotman | Titan8990: please learn to use the tell feature |
| 18:08.51 | Nwallins | keith4: looks good - thanks! |
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| 18:09.32 | simonrvn | getent will work with ldap, nis(+), etc. |
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| 18:15.47 | jhamlin | amphi: when you say "try using -3" how would I go about that? How do I determine which version of the firmware is used by the driver? |
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| 18:17.12 | amphi | jhamlin: modinfo module_name | grep firmware |
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| 18:17.29 | JyZyXEL | someone figure out how do i get free space in front of the first partition? :D |
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| 18:17.53 | JyZyXEL | what tool allows to take free space from behind and put it in the front? |
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| 18:18.12 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: backup, reformat, restore |
| 18:18.23 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: What Titan8990 said. |
| 18:18.45 | Without | Hi, anyone have tutorial installing RAID0 using mdadm? |
| 18:18.50 | JyZyXEL | why not just move each block? |
| 18:19.01 | amphi | with a magnet! |
| 18:19.07 | JyZyXEL | no with dd |
| 18:19.24 | amphi | too pedestrian |
| 18:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: You need a backup anyway in case something goes wrong, and once you've done the backup reformat/restore is a LOT faster than moving stuff. |
| 18:19.51 | Vasistha | JyZyXEL: maybe you want parted |
| 18:20.05 | amphi | jhamlin: what is the module called? |
| 18:20.35 | JyZyXEL | can parted do that? |
| 18:22.39 | jhamlin | amphi: iwlagn. also there is iwlcore but that doesn't list any firmware. Actually I seem to be missing some of the firmware that that command lists. However it's not the firmware refered to in dmesg.... |
| 18:22.45 | JyZyXEL | its probably the kind of operation that if interrupted it will result in dataloss |
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| 18:23.39 | amphi | jhamlin: what is your card? |
| 18:24.06 | amphi | jhamlin: I would try installing the package that contains the fw mentioned in modinfo output |
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| 18:25.52 | jhamlin | amphi: `apt-file search iwlwifi-6050-2.ucode` returns nothing though this is the firmware file i seem to be missing according to modinfo |
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| 18:27.34 | wols | jhamlin: use a .32 kernel |
| 18:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: What guide are you following? |
| 18:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Oops. |
| 18:28.32 | jhamlin | wols: I need .30 in order to install virtualbox (non-OSE) apparently... |
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| 18:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | jhamlin: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 18:29.13 | wols | jhamlin: BS |
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| 18:29.44 | Godslastering | i have downloaded the newest stable i386 version twice, both time i write to disc, try to install, and get corrupt disc message |
| 18:29.48 | Godslastering | i ran disc integrity check and it says: |
| 18:30.00 | wols | jhamlin: but if you're so desperate: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads |
| 18:30.26 | Godslastering | the ./pool/main/a/apache2/apache2.3-common_2.2.9-10+lenny6_i386.deb file failed the md5 checksum verification |
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| 18:30.55 | Godslastering | both times same problem, but it isn't the iso, because i downloaded it twice |
| 18:30.55 | wols | apache2 is not needed to install debian. I suggest you get the netinst iso |
| 18:30.58 | Godslastering | got same message on each |
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| 18:31.13 | Godslastering | wols: i have no way of connecting this desktop to the internet, therefore i need the full disc |
| 18:31.17 | wols | and burn the netinst at 1x speed |
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| 18:31.48 | wols | have you run a md5sum on the whole disk and the ISO? |
| 18:32.03 | Godslastering | yes, my downloaded file matches the md5 on the debian site |
| 18:32.10 | Godslastering | and brasero said the integrity passed |
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| 18:32.35 | vizzord | hey guys ! how do i use /etc/hosts to lookup a host names for firefox ? |
| 18:32.48 | vizzord | i need some kind of retranslators to dns ? |
| 18:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: Download the apache file seperately and install it manually if you need it. |
| 18:33.00 | wols | vizzord: man hosts. and you don't need anything |
| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | vizzord: what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:33.21 | wols | Godslastering: use the netinst to install, then later on use the CD/DVD to install more packages |
| 18:33.29 | Godslastering | wols: you are illiterate |
| 18:33.30 | wols | netinst is smaller so the chance of a fuckup is smaller |
| 18:33.31 | jhamlin | wols: if I'm on .32 backported kernel I can't compile the virtualbox module apparently... I'm sure you are right that it can be done but it's not simple. I'm just trying to find a simple solution that will let me use my wireless and install the non-ose virtualbox. I don't particularily care if its .32 or .30 |
| 18:33.37 | Vasistha | vizzord: /etc/hosts is a static list, it's not going to "look up" anything for you, however it will be consulted before any lookups are performed, and if it contains the desired hostname will return it |
| 18:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | wols: He said he couldn't get it on the 'net. |
| 18:33.41 | vizzord | jelly-home, firefox does not work with /etc/hosts. it uses direct requests ignoring hosts |
| 18:33.42 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: can i skip it while installing? |
| 18:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: Should be able to. |
| 18:33.59 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: i have the disc1.iso, can i select what packages to install? |
| 18:34.07 | wols | jhutchins_lt: he is on the net right now so he can get the netinst to install. he already has the CD/DVD so afterwards he can install from that any more packages he needs |
| 18:34.08 | Vasistha | vizzord: are you using firefox or iceweasel? |
| 18:34.09 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: only if it comes first in nsswitch.conf |
| 18:34.16 | jelly-home | vizzord: alright. What are you _really_ trying to do? |
| 18:34.16 | wols | he simply is not capable of logical thought |
| 18:34.19 | vizzord | Vasistha, grandparadiso |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins_lt | wols: You answer too many Ubuntu questions today or something? |
| 18:34.43 | Godslastering | wols: if i was installing it on THIS computer, do you not think that i would (1) not be on here AS im installing it, and (2) not have any problem? |
| 18:34.53 | vizzord | i need open testing123.localhost in firefox for example which pointed to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:34.56 | Godslastering | wols: the OTHER computer which i am installing it on is unable to be connected to the internet |
| 18:34.56 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: You may need to do a more basic install first. |
| 18:35.01 | vizzord | it's local testing server |
| 18:35.20 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: can i choose an extremely basic install option from disc1? |
| 18:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: Iirc the netinst will do a minimal install even without the net being available. |
| 18:35.33 | Vasistha | Titan8990: thanks for that |
| 18:35.42 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: aight, thanks :) |
| 18:35.49 | jelly-home | vizzord: two possible things: - use a proxy (that uses /etc/hosts), or - use a local dns server |
| 18:35.50 | wols | Godslastering: you apparently can't install debian right now. so get a netinst now, burn it and take it to said PC. if you must also get the apache package(s) frm packages.debian.org. then afterwards, when you have your debian installed on said network less computer, put the DVD you already have burned in and install additional packages from that. |
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| 18:36.14 | vizzord | jelly-home what proxies you can suggest ? |
| 18:36.17 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: np. I thought it "just came first" for the longest time |
| 18:36.33 | Godslastering | wols: the fact that a netinst cd works without the net was not mentioned until just now, but thanks :) |
| 18:36.47 | jelly-home | vizzord: pdnsd is a simple caching and recursing dns server that can use a local file in hosts format (or indeed /etc/hosts) as a simple database |
| 18:37.03 | vizzord | jelly-home: thank you very much ! |
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| 18:37.13 | wols | vizzord: use dnsmasq. works fine. no setup either |
| 18:37.25 | Titan8990 | wols: no! they should use bind! :p |
| 18:37.41 | jelly-home | srsly |
| 18:37.48 | jelly-home | noone should use bind. |
| 18:38.01 | wols | some masochists like it. /me points at Titan8990 |
| 18:38.08 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: I use bind. It was a joke from a couple days ago... when I recommended bind |
| 18:38.14 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Many other distros' net install disks won't install anything at all without a net connection. They simply boot a kernel and actually download the installer script and other necessary components. |
| 18:38.16 | vizzord | bind too heavy for a 3 hosts :) |
| 18:38.18 | jelly-home | Titan8990: you're weird. |
| 18:38.25 | wols | jhutchins_lt: please stop talking to me. thank you |
| 18:38.26 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: thank you? |
| 18:38.39 | Godslastering | wols: /ignore possibly? asking someone not to talk to you does nothing |
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| 18:38.47 | wols | Godslastering: please do the same |
| 18:38.53 | Godslastering | Lol |
| 18:38.55 | jelly-home | wols: just ignore him! |
| 18:38.55 | jhamlin | wols: intellinux.org does not appear to have the firmware that `modinfo iwlagn | grep firmware` refers to... |
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| 18:39.09 | simonrvn | wow, everyone so's friendly today |
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| 18:39.28 | wols | jhamlin: according to a google search it supposedly did. sorry about that. I suggest you upgrade to 2.6.32. no real reason why it wouldn't work |
| 18:39.47 | Titan8990 | yeah.... their bind hating has affected their mood |
| 18:39.48 | valdyn | wols: except for the missing kbuild package |
| 18:40.04 | wols | valdyn: all of them? not just -trunk? |
| 18:40.08 | jhutchins_lt | Bind is beautiful! |
| 18:40.22 | wols | heck, build your own via make-kpkg (with the bug there...) |
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| 18:40.30 | wols | you will need to build your own vbox modules anyways |
| 18:40.30 | valdyn | wols: he knows, but I dont have his paste anymore |
| 18:40.35 | jhamlin | wols: yah it did work quite nicely under 2.6.32. Okay let me go back to 2.6.32 and then try to figure out the virtualbox installation problem instead... |
| 18:40.59 | amphi | jhamlin: sorry, I was having my spring bath - what does apt-file search iwlwifi-6050 say? |
| 18:41.02 | wols | jhamlin: I also read about broken kernel drivers in 2.6.31. possibly in .30 too... |
| 18:41.08 | jhamlin | amphi: nothing |
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| 18:41.22 | Godslastering | i know you can have /home/usr/var/tmp partitions, but what is the benifit of having them on diff partitions? |
| 18:41.25 | amphi | jhamlin: sorry, I was having my spring bath - what does apt-file search iwlwifi say? |
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| 18:41.48 | wols | amphi: I checked pdo. only the -3 available. nothing else |
| 18:42.02 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.32 |
| 18:42.03 | judd | linux-kbuild-2.6.32 -- sid: 2.6.32-1; squeeze: 2.6.32-1 |
| 18:42.03 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.30 |
| 18:42.04 | judd | linux-kbuild-2.6.30 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.30-1~bpo50+1 |
| 18:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: Putting them on seperate partitions guarantees that you will run out of space on one partition while still having plenty where you don't need it. |
| 18:42.29 | amphi | wols: it's not available in bpo? |
| 18:42.32 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: so really, it is better to have them all on one? |
| 18:42.38 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: not if you use LVM |
| 18:42.38 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: I believe so. |
| 18:42.44 | Godslastering | jhutchins_lt: k thanks |
| 18:42.57 | wols | what are "kbuild" debs anyways? my kernel-package never made one and I'm happy to compile all kinds of creepy drivers without it |
| 18:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: It makes some sense if you have actual seperate devices, then you can R&R a device if you need more space. |
| 18:43.03 | Titan8990 | Godslastering: I would normally recommend /home partition for desktop systems. |
| 18:43.11 | valdyn | wols: you just keep the source i guess |
| 18:43.15 | wols | amphi: I checked pdo and couldn't find it |
| 18:43.25 | Godslastering | Titan8990: for a server, should they each have their own? |
| 18:43.35 | wols | valdyn: no I don't. hdd space is _precious_. and besids: it won't find the source sinec thats in ~ or /root |
| 18:43.50 | valdyn | wols: it finds the source |
| 18:43.55 | Zone | Godslastering, if you don't have a reason to put them on separate partitions, don't. it never made sense that the default was multiple partitions. |
| 18:43.57 | valdyn | wols: thats how I do this. |
| 18:44.09 | Titan8990 | Godslastering: its not nescessary, no. If you wanted different options, like you wanted a read-only /usr or a noexec /tmp, you would want seperate partitions |
| 18:44.10 | wols | valdyn: as I said, not unless it can undelete files on ext3 :) |
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| 18:44.13 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: People say to keep a seperate /home so you can do a new install and keep it, but there are reasons that's a bad idea, and you should always have a backup of it anyway. |
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| 18:44.15 | scurnoid | hi all |
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| 18:44.44 | wols | valdyn: I often don't compile on the box that runs the kernel in the future. that is why I started to use kernel-package way back when: migration of compiled kernels |
| 18:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | Godslastering: There is _one_ good reason to have some partitions seperate, and it has never been cited here when I was looking. |
| 18:44.53 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: hehe, restoring your backup presents the same problem as leaving /home intact |
| 18:45.00 | vizzord | jelly-home: pdnsd works fine, and it's small. thanks again. |
| 18:45.05 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Exactly true. |
| 18:45.11 | jelly-home | vizzord: cheers |
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| 18:45.32 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I recently borked gnome settings on a machine after a backup restoration on a new gnome version... |
| 18:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: KDE has gotten MUCH better at dealing with differently versioned config files though. |
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| 18:45.48 | guysoft42 | does anyone know how to use the "repeater mode" in iwonfig? how do i make a card that is in that mode repeat a given access point? |
| 18:45.48 | xente | if there is one package in sid, say, and you are running squeeze, what is the best way to install it? pinning and then using synaptic/aptitude etc or downloading the deb file and manually installing it? |
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| 18:46.04 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I have noticed it actually uses .kde3/ .kde4/ |
| 18:46.04 | wols | !tell xente about ssb |
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| 18:46.17 | xente | thanks! |
| 18:46.23 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Even late kde3 copes pretty well. |
| 18:46.25 | jhamlin_ | wols: amphi: forgive me if i'm being retarded, I think someone told me what to do about this already but I lost their comment: |
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| 18:46.31 | jhamlin_ | exabar:/home/jhamlin# cat /var/log/vbox-install.log |
| 18:46.31 | jhamlin_ | ** Compiling vboxdrv |
| 18:46.32 | jhamlin_ | Makefile:152: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
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| 18:46.48 | wols | jhamlin_: the only retared thing is pasting it in the channel. use a pastebin next time |
| 18:46.51 | Titan8990 | jhamlin_: I remember someone answering that long ago.. was that not oyu? |
| 18:47.09 | wols | jhamlin_: do you have the headers for your kernel installed? |
| 18:47.14 | jhamlin_ | wols: yes |
| 18:47.37 | wols | point it to the directory that holds these headers |
| 18:47.48 | jhamlin_ | Titan8990: yes probably. I forked to go to kernel .30 instead of fix the vbox on .32 |
| 18:48.21 | jhamlin_ | two possible solutions maybe and I chose the one that didn't work. Now I'm back to tyring to install vbox on .32 |
| 18:48.28 | Titan8990 | jhamlin_: and you headers package match the version of the kernel your running? |
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| 18:48.47 | wols | valdyn: now I know why I don't care about kbuild. I don't have such shitty dependencies with my make-kpkg packages :) |
| 18:48.47 | Titan8990 | jhamlin_: I would not even try using the current squeeze kernel with vbox.... |
| 18:48.47 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: is that virtualbox-ose, or the nonfree build from Innotek^WSun^WOracle? |
| 18:49.00 | jhamlin_ | jelly-home: the nonfree build |
| 18:49.01 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: looks like non-free |
| 18:49.20 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: and linux-headers-$(uname -r) is installed? |
| 18:49.36 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: do you have the latest virtualbox-3.1 package? |
| 18:49.42 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: the current .32 kernel in squeeze won't even boot in as a 3.x vbox quest |
| 18:49.54 | jelly-home | Titan8990: that's very irrelevant |
| 18:49.55 | jhamlin_ | jelly-home: yes and yes |
| 18:50.04 | wols | Titan8990: bpo neither? |
| 18:50.10 | jhamlin_ | By the way I'm on lenny using backported .32 |
| 18:50.12 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: its relevant if that is what he is trying to use |
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| 18:50.34 | wols | fires up his lenny install under vbox |
| 18:50.40 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: oh well. Ask #vbox, probably during European daytime |
| 18:51.23 | jelly-home | Titan8990: but building drivers on a host and firing up a guest are two compleatly different things |
| 18:51.32 | Titan8990 | wols: lenny bpo? I haven't tried, I just continued to run .26 in my guest |
| 18:51.41 | wols | Titan8990: I will :) |
| 18:51.52 | jelly-home | Titan8990: ie. he's not doing "boot in as a 3.x vbox quest" |
| 18:51.55 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: I misunderstood what was going on. I thought he was trying to install guest additions inside the guest |
| 18:52.32 | Titan8990 | wols: which also means I have not upgraded udev... |
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| 18:52.58 | xente | wols: do you use synaptic? if so, how do I get synaptic to not want to downgrade my package? |
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| 18:55.33 | xente | wols: I think I figured it out...thanks, tho |
| 18:55.45 | jhamlin_ | wait wait. I'm even more dumb than you thought. The headers are not actually installed. See: http://paste.debian.net/67901/ ...dejavu |
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| 18:57.04 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: get yourself a linux-kbuild-2.6.32 (the one from testing or unstable will do nicely) |
| 18:57.06 | dayo | trying to create a liveUSB for a crunchbang10 with this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB. would this command work? lh_config -b usb-hdd -p xfce -s /path/to/ISO/on/hdd ? |
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| 18:57.24 | jelly-home | jhamlin_: someone forgot to put it on backports.org, shame on them |
| 18:57.45 | rdg | here's an embarassing question.. i am running.. I assume gdm.. and X is starting on bootup with login prompt.. but I need to run Xorg -configure .. how do I stop gdm? |
| 18:57.55 | rdg | I did service stop gdm and killed X but it just respawned |
| 18:58.17 | jelly-home | rdg: you can run X -configure :1 too |
| 18:58.17 | Titan8990 | rdg: believe you can do: X -configure -- :1 |
| 18:58.24 | jelly-home | what he said. |
| 18:58.29 | jelly-home | possibly. |
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| 18:58.44 | f00bar80 | how to know which version of dbus i'm using ? |
| 18:58.49 | Titan8990 | one of the two will work :) |
| 18:58.51 | f00bar80 | i'm debian lenny |
| 18:59.00 | Titan8990 | apt-cache policy dbus |
| 18:59.02 | jhamlin_ | jelly-home: is the proper way to do that just to download the .deb and `dpkg -i` it or is there a more correct way? |
| 18:59.04 | Titan8990 | judd: versions dbus |
| 18:59.05 | judd | dbus -- etch: 1.0.2-1+etch2; etch-security: 1.0.2-1+etch3; lenny: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; squeeze: 1.2.20-2; sid: 1.2.24-1 |
| 18:59.12 | jelly-home | f00bar80: dpkg -l dbus|tail -1 |
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| 18:59.26 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: should be 1.2.1-5+lenny1 |
| 19:00.26 | rdg | recommendations for when Xorg -configure crashes? |
| 19:00.37 | dayo | :-| |
| 19:00.40 | dayo | trying to create a liveUSB for a crunchbang10 with this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB. would this command work? lh_config -b usb-hdd -p xfce -s /path/to/ISO/on/hdd ? |
| 19:00.48 | Titan8990 | rdg: pastebin any errors it gave |
| 19:01.30 | rdg | http://kohana.pastebin.com/uWzQBAnp |
| 19:02.01 | Zone | dayo, I don't know, but any reason why you can't try it and see? |
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| 19:02.50 | jelly-home | rdg: run it from console? |
| 19:03.23 | dayo | Zone: i am trying and not seeing anything. |
| 19:03.38 | dayo | doesn't matter anymore |
| 19:03.39 | rdg | hm. now I can't ctrl+alt+f1 to a console.. the monitors turn off |
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| 19:03.59 | Zone | rdg, try chvt |
| 19:04.35 | rdg | it looks like the term is there and I can type into |
| 19:04.38 | rdg | i'm just typing blindly |
| 19:04.55 | jhutchins_lt | rdg: reset |
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| 19:06.30 | rdg | same error stuff from console |
| 19:07.22 | rdg | not sure why it's loading vmware driver instead of at least radeon |
| 19:07.48 | rdg | RandR is almost working.. it's recognizing two diff monitors but it won't let me turn off mirroring.. says screen size is too small |
| 19:07.56 | rdg | I assume that's something I need to change in Xorg.conf if I had one |
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| 19:08.08 | jelly-home | rdg: it seems to be trying every installed driver. uninstall vmware driver? |
| 19:08.46 | jelly-home | rdg: if it's just xrandr that you're having issues with, why not start with pastebinning xrandr output? |
| 19:08.56 | rdg | i'm using grandr |
| 19:09.06 | jelly-home | irrelevant |
| 19:09.14 | rdg | indeed. two secs |
| 19:09.30 | amphi | rdg: you probably need a 'virtual' entry in section screen |
| 19:09.41 | rdg | http://kohana.pastebin.com/wp9mSwVx |
| 19:09.57 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:10.07 | jelly-home | rdg: do you already have an xorg.conf? |
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| 19:10.16 | rdg | nope. it's launching on auto detect |
| 19:10.33 | jelly-home | hah |
| 19:10.36 | rdg | all I have is the example in /usr/share/doc |
| 19:10.46 | rdg | we're talking a fresh deb install here... upgraded to sid.. |
| 19:11.03 | jelly-home | rdg: purge that pesky xserver-xorg-video-vmware and see if that makes X -configure not crash |
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| 19:11.56 | rdg | http://kohana.pastebin.com/JQ54CE4C |
| 19:11.58 | rdg | that seems bad |
| 19:12.47 | jelly-home | not at all |
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| 19:13.17 | rdg | oh.. no crash |
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| 19:13.44 | rdg | we're now using the radeon driver |
| 19:13.48 | jelly-home | rdg: file a bug on video-vmware, tell them it's crap and breaks unrelated setups ;-) |
| 19:13.59 | rdg | haha I can but I'll say you told me to |
| 19:14.11 | rdg | ok how do I force X to restart when ctrl+alt+backspace isn't working |
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| 19:14.19 | jelly-home | !tell rdg about dontzap |
| 19:14.52 | Sale023 | Hi to all people.. I'm paying about 5$ via PayPal for install Counter Strike 1.6 Non-Steam on my Server. Thanks :) PM me... |
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| 19:15.22 | rdg | that doesn't do anything for me being stuck in X right now |
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| 19:16.12 | jelly-home | rdg: you'll have to exit it the PROPER way then! |
| 19:16.16 | Sale023 | Hi to all people.. I'm paying about 5$ via PayPal for installing Counter Strike 1.6 Non-Steam on my VPS i repeat VPS Server. Thanks :) PM me... |
| 19:16.25 | jelly-home | Sale023: please don't repeat |
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| 19:17.11 | jelly-home | Sale023: my fees are $75/hr, two hours minimum. Thanks. :-) PM me... |
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| 19:17.29 | digii | hahaha |
| 19:17.46 | Ging | why not spend the $5 on a linux book and learn to do it yourself |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | why not drop it and move on |
| 19:18.02 | digii | i'm with you on that one Ging |
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| 19:18.24 | Zone | abrotman, how can you read it if you drop it? |
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| 19:18.35 | rdg | jelly-home, you're awesome. I finally have dual head working |
| 19:18.38 | edju | running squeeze, and somehow bind9-host and dns utils are "held back." not done manually. related to getting nvidia-kernel from sid? do i need to worry about this? |
| 19:19.09 | Vasistha | what's the dev channel called on oftc? |
| 19:19.53 | Zone | edju, no, not a problem, happens a lot on unstable |
| 19:20.30 | Without | Hi, anyone have tutorial installing RAID0 using mdadm? |
| 19:20.45 | Zone | Without, perhaps the Software RAID Howto? |
| 19:21.22 | Zone | Without, although if you're configuration RAID during installation, you don't need much research, it's pretty straightforward |
| 19:22.05 | Without | Zone: i tried from rescue console installing raid0 using mdadm seems fail to get back |
| 19:22.21 | asaleem | I am trying to remove all the .svn dirs using find and it deletes all the parent dirs too |
| 19:22.29 | asaleem | any idea why |
| 19:22.47 | helo | find . -name '.svn' --exec rm -r '{}' ';' |
| 19:22.53 | helo | like that? |
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| 19:23.06 | asaleem | helo, yes |
| 19:23.13 | Zone | asaleem, or 'svn export' |
| 19:23.19 | helo | yeah... |
| 19:23.31 | asaleem | helo, I guess I am missing -name |
| 19:24.03 | wols | ehlo |
| 19:24.06 | helo | ahh yeah that would do it, because it is matching everything :D |
| 19:24.23 | asaleem | Thanks helo, Zone |
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| 19:25.36 | Without | Zone: could u take a look? http://pastebin.com/2HDwLp34 |
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| 19:26.24 | Without | how can i merged sda & sdb together? |
| 19:27.12 | Zone | Without, do these have data on them that you care about? |
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| 19:28.05 | Without | Zone: nope it's fresh installation.. no data to be care |
| 19:28.34 | Zone | Without, then reinstalling from scratch and setting up RAID during the installation is far easier than after the fact |
| 19:29.28 | Without | Zone: could u tell me which partition i shouldn't touch? as there's linux OS in it.. else if i re-partition it'll unable to get online |
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| 19:30.57 | Zone | Without, I don't understand what you mean. If it's a fresh install, touch whatever partition you want. Wipe it and start from scratch, or do it manually, either way. |
| 19:31.51 | Zone | Without, https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup will help if you do it manually |
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| 19:35.12 | JyZyXEL | raid + lvm + dmcrypt is a scary beast |
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| 19:36.02 | rdg | anyone recommend a good GUI for svn? |
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| 19:37.38 | mama | how dangerous would be making /bin/sh point to bash? |
| 19:37.50 | zinx | instead of dash? |
| 19:37.59 | mama | yeah |
| 19:38.09 | zinx | i don't think it's terribly dangerous in Debian yet |
| 19:38.12 | zinx | but it will be slower |
| 19:38.16 | Zone | cubicle:~# ls -l /bin/sh |
| 19:38.16 | Zone | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-08-01 13:49 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 19:38.29 | mama | I mean debian specific (apt, etc) |
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| 19:40.24 | sdk__ | That's strange.. I have a directory mounted via sshfs, and as root ls -l shows me drwxr-xr-x, as expected. However, when I ls -l as a regular user, the permissions come up d????????? ? ? for each column until the directory name. |
| 19:40.32 | tensorpudding | It does appear that by default sh is a link to bash, and dash isn't installed |
| 19:40.34 | sdk__ | Any ideas why and how to resolve it? |
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| 19:41.48 | hounddog | hi, i am having some problems installing debian... the system does not have floppy nor cd so i just connected the hard disk to my system, initialized the install on windows with cd and connected back. |
| 19:42.12 | hounddog | now when starting the system it is asking for the cd... can i not provide those drivers also by usb? |
| 19:42.26 | Titan8990 | HuNt3r: initialized the install on windows? |
| 19:42.44 | jhamlin_ | Who rocks? You all do. Thanks to the help I managed to get linux-kbuild-2.6.32 backported into my lenny and that allowed to succesfully install virtualbox-3.1 (non-OSE). Many thanks to all |
| 19:42.44 | hounddog | yeah... where it installs grub |
| 19:42.58 | hounddog | and then after reboot i get into the debian install. |
| 19:43.31 | mama | tensorpudding, apparently not for fresh sqeeze install |
| 19:43.37 | Zone | hounddog, you can do the entire install through USB |
| 19:43.51 | hounddog | Zone it is not accepting my usb stick for booting |
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| 19:44.04 | Titan8990 | hounddog: I haven't a clue on what you are talking about? You ran a grub installer from within windows? |
| 19:44.07 | Zone | hounddog, did you check your BIOS settings to make sure USB is enabled for booting? |
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| 19:44.21 | hounddog | Zone yes i have, and all is enabled |
| 19:44.28 | amphi | jhamlin_: wifi working ok now? |
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| 19:44.42 | Titan8990 | hounddog: what grub installer did you run from windows? |
| 19:44.49 | hounddog | Titan8990 download debian under windows and then it puts the boot image etc. |
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| 19:45.42 | Titan8990 | hounddog: are you being as vague as possible on purpose? |
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| 19:45.50 | hounddog | Titan8990 start windows, insert cd, select language and wait till grub and images are installed. |
| 19:46.02 | hounddog | restart system, select debian installer |
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| 19:46.13 | rdg | so no surprise the flash player for amd_64 is unstable |
| 19:46.23 | EugenMayer1 | how to find out, which source (deb) is used for a specific package? |
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| 19:46.55 | Zone | EugenMayer1, packages.debian.org, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 19:47.11 | Zone | EugenMayer1, apt-get source <package> too |
| 19:47.17 | Titan8990 | hounddog: and you downloaded this from where? |
| 19:47.19 | hounddog | Titan8990 not understanding your issue currently.... there are installers from debian itself to get debian installed which den removes windows. |
| 19:47.27 | valdyn | EugenMayer1: apt-cache showsrc |
| 19:47.49 | hounddog | Titan8990 debian.org, goodbye-windows.com |
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| 19:49.12 | hounddog | all i want is to install this fucking server... sorry i am going nutz here... no cd, usb is not booting, rpx i can't figure out, no floppy |
| 19:49.21 | Titan8990 | hounddog: ah, there we have it.... a 3rd party install utility |
| 19:49.37 | hounddog | Titan8990 goodbye-windows was not working btw... |
| 19:49.40 | Titan8990 | hounddog: how did you attempt to create the usb? |
| 19:49.49 | Titan8990 | hounddog: you would have to ask them about that |
| 19:49.55 | Macer | hm |
| 19:50.05 | Macer | guess there isn't a damn console based gnutella client |
| 19:50.06 | Macer | blah |
| 19:50.08 | Macer | i give up |
| 19:50.09 | hounddog | Titan8990 i used it directly from debian.org then. |
| 19:50.14 | Macer | mutella won't seem to build either |
| 19:50.28 | hounddog | and the usb i installed through this one programm.... let me search. |
| 19:50.32 | Titan8990 | hounddog: how did you put the installer on the usb? what I am getting at is, did you follow the install guide? |
| 19:50.52 | Titan8990 | hounddog: many users have issues with unetbootin and other methods. You need to follow the debian install guide |
| 19:50.59 | Titan8990 | !tell hounddog about usb install |
| 19:51.08 | hounddog | Titan8990 there is a programm which does all this for you... just have t select the distribution. |
| 19:51.23 | Titan8990 | hounddog: 15:52 < Titan8990> hounddog: many users have issues with unetbootin and other methods. |
| 19:51.34 | Zone | hounddog, if it did all of it for you, you wouldn't be here |
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| 19:52.25 | hounddog | ok, someone gave me this tutorial allready once. this tutorial is telling me that i should have a linux system allready somewhere |
| 19:52.37 | hounddog | ahh one sec. |
| 19:52.59 | wols | hounddog: use a VM with debian inside then |
| 19:53.04 | Titan8990 | hounddog: you can probably use cygwin instead of a real linux system |
| 19:53.19 | wols | Titan8990: can cygwin write to raw devices? |
| 19:53.25 | Rienzilla | how does one debootstrap a debian system for a different architecture (when one does not have a machine with that architecture running debian?) My goal is to get a base install of debian for mips, but I only have x86 machiens running debian (if I debootstrap with --arch mips, the debootstrap will fail after fetching and unpacking archives, since it chroots into the newly debootstrapped system, and cannot execute the binaries there because they are a diff |
| 19:53.29 | Titan8990 | or wols' suggestion is nice |
| 19:53.33 | hounddog | i give up... that system is just going for the trash now |
| 19:53.40 | Titan8990 | wols: not sure, hence the "probably" |
| 19:53.40 | hounddog | anyhow, thanks |
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| 19:56.05 | miguel000 | i downloaded skype- static-binaries in order to use skype, but i wonder WHERE i should put them . especially to make them available to otehr users too |
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| 19:56.13 | miguel000 | right now they reside in my home directory |
| 19:56.17 | miguel000 | which i really dont like |
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| 19:56.31 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.55 | Titan8990 | miguel000: usually /opt like cahoot said. then just symlink the binary to /usr/local/bin |
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| 19:57.35 | miguel000 | ok Ill try that, thanx |
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| 19:59.25 | miguel000 | should owner and group of the files be root normally? |
| 20:00.06 | helo | bah... cryptsetup b0rk |
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| 20:00.19 | Titan8990 | miguel000: yes |
| 20:00.42 | miguel000 | thankx |
| 20:01.20 | wols_ | Titan8990: ubuntu to the rescue: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download |
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| 20:02.27 | Titan8990 | wols_: ah, nice |
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| 20:03.25 | ranix | welcome back delight |
| 20:03.26 | ranix | ehr |
| 20:03.27 | ranix | dpkg: |
| 20:03.27 | dpkg | ranix: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:03.31 | wols_ | debian should steal that program and reference it. just like they did way back when with rawrite from RH for floppies |
| 20:04.11 | Titan8990 | wols_: reinventing the wheel is against the nature of open source. yes, they should |
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| 20:06.23 | helo | wols_: we don't want to make them cry now, do we? |
| 20:06.51 | helo | punishes the bad comma with a whip |
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| 20:11.42 | ErikRose | What was the name of that tool for building packages that are nothing more than a list of dependencies? |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | build-essentials ? |
| 20:12.24 | ErikRose | I don't think that's it... |
| 20:12.37 | helo | make? |
| 20:12.45 | ErikRose | heh, that's a little lower-level. |
| 20:12.47 | helo | heh |
| 20:13.16 | wols_ | !eayttd ErikRose |
| 20:13.19 | Zone | equivs |
| 20:13.20 | wols_ | !wayttd ErikRose |
| 20:13.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ErikRose? |
| 20:13.27 | ErikRose | equivs. Thanks! |
| 20:13.58 | Zone | Kind of annoying though, you'd think it would be a single command to generate the package, but you have to edit all the control files |
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| 20:15.06 | ErikRose | Eh, we'd have to edit them anyway. |
| 20:15.29 | ErikRose | We're just troubleshooting some things, trying to figure out which dependencies are really necessary while we backport the latest open-vm-tools to etch. |
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| 20:17.28 | Titan8990 | ErikRose: you should consider (if possible) an upgrade to lenny instead, since etch is no longer supported |
| 20:17.48 | ErikRose | That's our mid-term plan, but our VM provider is upgrading their virtual hardware in 2 days. :-P |
| 20:18.02 | ErikRose | I'm only about 70% done porting all the other stuff we need to Lenny. |
| 20:18.15 | Titan8990 | understandable |
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| 20:20.38 | linduxed | i would like to use ext4 under lenny, but from what i can see, there is no support for it |
| 20:20.51 | linduxed | i guess the kernel is a version too old or so |
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| 20:21.22 | Titan8990 | linduxed: there are instructions on the kmuto website for formatting ext4 in the installer (not recommended) |
| 20:21.36 | linduxed | Titan8990: this is post-installer |
| 20:21.36 | Titan8990 | linduxed: using the kmuto installer that is |
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| 20:21.57 | Titan8990 | linduxed: you mean you already installed and now want to switch to ext4? |
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| 20:22.09 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 20:22.27 | jelly-home | linduxed: you just need to update the kernel, and worry about boot loader issues if you don't have a separate /boot partition |
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| 20:23.07 | linduxed | Titan8990: no, i've added a volume group, and on one of the logical volumes, i'd really like to have ext4 |
| 20:23.21 | linduxed | it will be for /home |
| 20:23.43 | jelly-home | linduxed: well then, if you have 2.6.32 booted, you're all set |
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| 20:24.24 | linduxed | jelly-home: ive got 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 20:25.32 | jelly-home | linduxed: make a custom kernel, or use .32 from backports.org |
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| 20:26.02 | linduxed | jelly-home: i think ill backport the kernel then |
| 20:26.12 | linduxed | jelly-home: are there any risks in doing that? |
| 20:26.43 | Titan8990 | it doesn't get updates from the debian security team |
| 20:26.58 | jelly-home | linduxed: some, if you need additional kernel modules built, or if this is going to be a multiuser system |
| 20:27.39 | linduxed | jelly-home: it is a server that 2-5 users ssh into |
| 20:27.41 | jelly-home | linduxed: current kernel in backports.org is a bit old and has a couple of local security issues |
| 20:28.14 | jelly-home | linduxed: if you trust your users, go with it. If not, I'd suggest investigating and using a grsecurity-patched kernel |
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| 20:30.54 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: why not SELinux? |
| 20:31.36 | jelly-home | Titan8990: Because I've tried do use both. |
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| 20:31.56 | dustybin | anybody here used fetchmail? |
| 20:32.16 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: are you making the suggestion based on useability or effectiveness? |
| 20:32.24 | blueVenom | i'm having a problem with a cisco aironet 340 wifi card...everytime i try to run dhclient i get "unknown hardware type: 801" |
| 20:33.09 | jelly-home | Titan8990: I can't measure effectiveness of selinux. See spender's selinux workaround exploits if you want an opinion. |
| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | so definitely useability. |
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| 20:38.24 | wols_ | blueVenom: what pci id? |
| 20:39.29 | Titan8990 | wols_: requires proprietary drivers IIRC, max speed 11mb/s |
| 20:39.38 | blueVenom | looking for it right now wols_ |
| 20:39.49 | wols_ | ick |
| 20:40.04 | Titan8990 | wols_: we have tons of them at my work. been EOL for 10 years |
| 20:40.10 | blueVenom | wols_, i get nothing from lspci |
| 20:40.25 | Titan8990 | blueVenom: is it the pci or pcmia version? |
| 20:40.39 | linduxed | jelly-home: i understand this would be the one right? http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 20:40.46 | blueVenom | pcmcia |
| 20:41.03 | Titan8990 | yep, have stacks of those to |
| 20:41.08 | Titan8990 | blueVenom: are you sure you really want to use that thing? |
| 20:41.21 | jelly-home | linduxed: kernels are linux-image-* |
| 20:41.28 | jelly-home | .kernels |
| 20:41.31 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:41.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:41.36 | blueVenom | lspcmcia = Socket 1 Device 0: [airo_cs] (bus ID:1.0) |
| 20:41.54 | jelly-home | linduxed: so, something like linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 |
| 20:42.06 | blueVenom | and its not for me Titan8990 ... its for a firend...he has an ibm shitpad with a p2 and that's his only nic |
| 20:43.06 | blueVenom | wols_, lspcmcia = Socket 1 Device 0: [airo_cs] (bus ID:1.0) |
| 20:43.25 | Titan8990 | blueVenom: well, you need a cisco account to download the drivers, which probably don't even work on modern kernels |
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| 20:51.43 | abrotman | ErikRose: dpkg-dev ? |
| 20:51.50 | abrotman | devscripts ? |
| 20:52.13 | ErikRose | abrotman: I'm sorry, the judges would have accepted either "equivs" or "wtfbbq". |
| 20:52.38 | kibibyte | hi |
| 20:52.48 | kibibyte | anyone goog in modrewrite regexp? |
| 20:52.49 | Titan8990 | specifically dh_shlibdeps if we are talking about the devscript that determines run depends |
| 20:52.51 | kibibyte | good* |
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| 20:53.03 | Titan8990 | kibibyte: #httpd? |
| 20:53.25 | [Jasper] | hej guys, anyone here familiour with drbd |
| 20:53.25 | FunctorSalad | how do I give root permissions to the *session* dbus of a running x/kde (not sure who owns it, actually) |
| 20:53.36 | FunctorSalad | +? |
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| 20:54.12 | dondelelcaro | FunctorSalad: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:54.14 | FunctorSalad | (to be able to use kde-lib-using admin utilities when su'ed to root) |
| 20:54.44 | dondelelcaro | FunctorSalad: so su to root using sux or similar |
| 20:54.44 | FunctorSalad | dondelelcaro: for example, su to root in a konsole, then try to run 'ksystemlog' |
| 20:54.47 | Titan8990 | FunctorSalad: gksu or the kde equiv would likely be the correct way |
| 20:54.51 | osfd__ | Hi there, how should I procees to upgrade my texlive-2007 to a texlive 2009, given that I'm running a stable..? |
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| 20:54.57 | Titan8990 | FunctorSalad: gksu ksystemlog |
| 20:55.23 | FunctorSalad | (actually I'm using 'sux', not 'su', or there would be some earlier failure I guess) |
| 20:55.54 | Titan8990 | osfd__: you can try to ssb it, but I am not sure how it would work out with that particular package |
| 20:55.59 | Titan8990 | !tell osfd__ about ssb |
| 20:56.02 | dondelelcaro | osfd__: backport it, but honestly, there's not much point |
| 20:56.23 | dondelelcaro | osfd__: for most things, 2007 works just the same as the 2009 version of texlive |
| 20:57.00 | osfd__ | yes, you're right. it's just that some packages are getting old |
| 20:57.12 | osfd__ | dondelelcaro: yes, you're right. it's just that some packages are getting old |
| 20:58.07 | osfd__ | maybe I can just update some packages |
| 20:58.25 | FunctorSalad | Titan8990: yeah that works, I guess I'm just lazy and like to reuse the existing su instead of reentering the pw ;) |
| 20:58.28 | dondelelcaro | osfd__: the only way to do that is to backport it or run it in a testing chroot or similarly |
| 20:58.37 | FunctorSalad | (that=gksu) |
| 20:59.03 | Titan8990 | FunctorSalad: I believe there is something else that will cache your credentials, similar to ssh-agent |
| 20:59.08 | disspate | question: how do you backport a package in squeeze to lenny? |
| 20:59.19 | Titan8990 | !tell disspate about ssb |
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| 21:00.26 | abrotman | ErikRose: not at all how i read your question :) |
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| 21:02.44 | ErikRose | abrotman: The judges are tricky bastages. :-) |
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| 21:02.58 | FunctorSalad | Titan8990: yes, it does have a "keyring" option... I assume that does something smarter than storing the root pw somewhere accessible to non-root user processes |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | the judges ask bad questions! |
| 21:03.08 | ErikRose | The judges disagree. :-) |
| 21:04.21 | abrotman | throws a nittany lion on ErikRose |
| 21:04.48 | ErikRose | parries and dodges. |
| 21:04.49 | FunctorSalad | (tbh I don't quite understand how much capability user processes have in an x/kde session to trick you into privileging them) |
| 21:05.46 | FunctorSalad | (like whether they could take over an su session in a konsole) |
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| 21:06.36 | Titan8990 | FunctorSalad: if the proccess is running as root and is exploited... well they get root access to whatever type of payload was used |
| 21:06.45 | FunctorSalad | (I'm assuming that a malicious program is run by the non-root user here while the kde is intact) |
| 21:07.41 | FunctorSalad | Titan8990: running as normal user, but the user has a window with a terminal emulator in which an su is running |
| 21:08.15 | FunctorSalad | I mean, the user isn't the attacker, the progam is ;) |
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| 21:09.44 | guggero | hi |
| 21:10.41 | guggero | does someone know a bit about xen and linux kernel versions? |
| 21:11.48 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 21:11.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:12.05 | FunctorSalad | (it boils down to whether a program started as a normal user U can do anything that you can do with physical access to U's kde session, I think) |
| 21:12.37 | FunctorSalad | (physically I can activate the window running su and enter something, obviously ;)) |
| 21:13.17 | guggero | you're right, sorry! |
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| 21:14.17 | Titan8990 | FunctorSalad: this isn't an RPG... no need talk in parenthesis for out of character speak... |
| 21:14.32 | FunctorSalad | hehe |
| 21:14.41 | guggero | the thing is, I have a debian server, currently running kernel 2.6.18 and hosting 2 virtual machines using xen. and since 2.6.18 is a bit old, I was wondering if there is a way to update the kernel without rebooting the machine (since the virtual machines are running some quite important sites). |
| 21:14.58 | FunctorSalad | Titan8990: well, I began that thread of thought in parentheses, and escaping from them feels wrong |
| 21:15.23 | FunctorSalad | (like characters breaking out into the framing story :o) |
| 21:15.54 | Titan8990 | guggero: no, and you should consider upgrading completely to the current stable release |
| 21:16.18 | Titan8990 | guggero: assuming you are running etch, which is where the .18 kernel was from. you are no longer getting security upgrades |
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| 21:17.37 | Titan8990 | guggero: also, kernel changes is the only thing that requires a real restart. You will need to make plains for when to go about this |
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| 21:17.54 | guggero | @Titan8990: ah ok, thanks for the info. in this case, I'll have no way around. seems like I have to break the uptime of 422 days.. yeah, well, never mind ;-) |
| 21:18.00 | Vasistha | guggero: sounds like a job for planned downtime in the middle of the night |
| 21:18.57 | guggero | @Vasistha: exactly.. it's just that I kind of favoure my goog night's sleep ;-) |
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| 21:19.25 | Vasistha | guggero: well, once in 422 days I guess one must make a sacrifice :) |
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| 21:20.24 | guggero | @Vasistha: Guess you're right.. and an upgrade anyway always makes you feel like you have patched some security holes... |
| 21:20.38 | guggero | so better sleep in the consecutive nights |
| 21:21.04 | drawks | Can anyone point me in the direction of some documentation explaining the inerraction of debconf and the openssh-server postinst/config behavior |
| 21:21.11 | vizzy | hi ;) someone here managing the bugtracker? i just reported a bug, but accidently i added the original message. can i correct this? i also wrote one mail from my working account including address etc and some personal data which should not be public in this case. can i correct this? |
| 21:22.26 | drawks | is setting "ssh/new_config boolean false" in debconf enough to ensure that openssh-server will never mung with my config file? |
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| 21:27.42 | SyL | I added a user to group "kickass" and all the files in this certain directory (and the directory) are owned "kickass:kickass" but the user that is part of the group gets permission denied when he tries to scp files. suggestions? |
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| 21:29.00 | Vasistha | vizzy: have you looked at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=5768## (your bug number) to see what is actually publicly visible? |
| 21:29.32 | dondelelcaro | vizzy: whatever data you sent is now publicly available. Change passwords, etc. as required. |
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| 21:30.56 | linuxguy | hi, Im using debian squeeze and upto date, but when i booted up today, i got log-in screen, when its starts loading the desktop the screeen went white then black, only thing visible was the mouse cursor that i can move around, the debian guys say its a kde problem, i get this message "cannot open theme file @@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@ <thats exactly how it loos and clivk on "ok" any ideas whats wrong be be great |
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| 21:32.11 | Vasistha | linuxguy: from the login screen, perhaps you have an option to start another DE like "failsafe" or something else, have you tried that? |
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| 21:33.11 | linuxguy | Vasistha, yes ive tried those still get black screen, I can load gnome though |
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| 21:33.21 | vizzy | Vasistha, yes i looked there. |
| 21:33.42 | vizzy | dondelelcaro, i normally dont want to include address, name and telephone number, hard to change :> |
| 21:33.53 | vizzy | so no way to edit an entry? ouch. |
| 21:34.48 | dondelelcaro | vizzy: well, it's all publicly available now on a large set of mirrors, so it's not really worth worrying about |
| 21:35.25 | vizzy | okay |
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| 21:36.18 | vizzy | nice feature , bugtracker with mail, but definitely may lead into some kind of trouble if sending too fast. |
| 21:36.48 | linuxguy | Vasistha, i tried the recover modes, and ive just tried failsafe, all that did was ut me back to the log in box |
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| 21:38.11 | Harold | hi, if I'm running an apache server... and I want a dir with some files to be served there.. can I make a *link* to it somehow, instead of actually moving or copying the contents of that dir to /var/www/? if yes, how would I do that? |
| 21:38.30 | Vasistha | Harold: ln -s /some/path /var/www |
| 21:38.36 | Harold | yesss, thank you |
| 21:38.56 | Vasistha | Harold: if you want to give it a different name from the directory in the path, ln -s /some/path /var/www/my-custom-dirname |
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| 21:38.56 | Harold | how would I undo this, by the way? |
| 21:39.06 | Vasistha | Harold: rm /var/www/my-custom-dirname |
| 21:39.10 | Harold | ahh, okay |
| 21:40.06 | linuxguy | Vasistha, is my squeeze installation a bit screwed up now? |
| 21:40.57 | miguel000 | i use krusade to browse my folders, and would like something that allows me to step troth all images in a give folder, as soon as i klick on one |
| 21:40.57 | Vasistha | linuxguy: I couldn't say, but I suppose it's possible. I don't know if squeeze updates are back up yet |
| 21:41.02 | Harold | Vasistha, one this -- when you said this: <<Vasistha> Harold: ln -s /some/path /var/www> -- you did mean /var/www instead of /var/www/, right? (just checking) |
| 21:41.04 | miguel000 | is there some simple solution for that? |
| 21:41.06 | Harold | s/this/thing |
| 21:42.01 | linuxguy | Vasistha, i updated it all last nite and installed quite a few apps and stuff, I just hope i dont have to re-install again :( |
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| 21:43.20 | Vasistha | Harold: it doesn't matter |
| 21:43.38 | Harold | ah, okay. thanks! |
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| 21:44.23 | Vasistha | linuxguy: I really can't help you with squeeze, I've never run testing myself |
| 21:44.32 | ardian | Is Knoppix a good way to try Debian ? |
| 21:44.53 | vsmatck | Debian live-cd is the best say. |
| 21:45.08 | linuxguy | Vasistha, its ok, thanks anyways |
| 21:45.22 | ardian | Peopel suggest knoppix |
| 21:45.25 | ardian | but ok |
| 21:45.59 | zobel | ardian: knoppix is not debian |
| 21:46.08 | ardian | Its based on Debian |
| 21:46.29 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 21:46.31 | drawks | ardian, since you have all the answers maybe you shouldn't be asking questions ;) |
| 21:46.32 | zobel | yeah, but thats it. |
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| 21:47.14 | ardian | -ChanServ- if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. |
| 21:47.17 | ardian | ;) |
| 21:47.19 | ardian | k |
| 21:47.31 | Vasistha | ardian: if you try knoppix then you will see something that has some things in common with debian, but there will also be some differences. |
| 21:47.51 | ardian | ok thanks Vasistha |
| 21:48.34 | Vasistha | ardian: maybe knoppix will include some proprietary drivers that debian doesn't, so you might try it and think this is great, but then when you install debian, something won't work. On the other hand maybe you will get a bad impression from knoppix because something doesn't work as well as it does in debian. |
| 21:49.17 | ardian | aha |
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| 21:50.14 | vsmatck | I don't understand all this discussion. If you want to try debian use debian. If you want to try peanut butter and jelly don't try peanut butter and bannana. I may be missing something?.. |
| 21:52.07 | miguel000 | i have feh rith now, but it just opens the picture i click on in krusader, id like to be able to step trhrough all images in that folder then ... |
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| 21:59.53 | agike | Hi, devious ! |
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| 22:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | !debian live |
| 22:00.27 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:00.49 | garotosopa | Is there a way to configure the network so DHCP doesn't overwrite /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 22:01.36 | jhutchins_lt | garotosopa: If I tell you yes, you're gonna want to know details, aren't you? |
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| 22:02.16 | Vasistha | garotosopa: there is a package called resolvconf. I don't know if it can do what you need but it might be helpful |
| 22:02.22 | garotosopa | jhutchins_lt: if could just point me towards the solution it'd be nice. |
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| 22:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | I believe it has something to do with the resolvconf package. |
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| 22:03.39 | agike | garotosopa: Yup ! resolvconf .. (man resolvconf) |
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| 22:06.28 | ko3 | could anybody give me a link to a howto for grub with gpt please? i only found outdated howtos |
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| 22:08.43 | garotosopa | jhutchins_lt, Vasistha, agike: thanks. I just found that I can configure supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8 on dhclient.conf. Thanks anyway. |
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| 22:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | ... or it could be in dhclient.conf. |
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| 22:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | updates his notes. |
| 22:10.10 | jhutchins_lt | I used to have to worry about that, but before I ditched Mandriva I tried to fix my troubles by replacing my WAP, and it ceased to be an issue. |
| 22:10.19 | jhutchins_lt | So I never learned to fix it in Debian. |
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| 22:11.46 | Cowclops | lol, i just discovered today that i prefer debian. |
| 22:12.29 | ko3 | so anybody any experience with booting from gpt with grub? |
| 22:12.30 | garotosopa | it reminds me of a cousin of mine. he woke up one day and realized he prefered men. it's weird. |
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| 22:12.45 | Cowclops | i definitely still prefer women |
| 22:13.00 | Cowclops | over men, anyway |
| 22:13.12 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 22:13.12 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:13.30 | Cowclops | heh. |
| 22:14.55 | ko3 | i have booted from a usb key, trying to install grub on gpt |
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| 22:16.02 | ko3 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-boot-2tb-larger-raidarray-harddisk.html <- i found this, but my debian says "no such command grub" |
| 22:16.33 | Titan8990 | ko3: were you root? how are you booting now? |
| 22:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | ko3: perhaps you should install grub. |
| 22:16.45 | ko3 | usbkey, i am root |
| 22:16.53 | Titan8990 | thought gpt required grub2 |
| 22:16.56 | ko3 | grub-install gives a bunch of errors |
| 22:17.16 | Titan8990 | ko3: are you going to show us these errors? |
| 22:17.19 | ko3 | just got my new pc today |
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| 22:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | ko3: You don't suppose the errors matter do you? |
| 22:17.48 | ko3 | scrolled out of my buffer |
| 22:17.53 | ko3 | let me try to recreate them |
| 22:17.56 | Titan8990 | ko3: you also linked to a guide that installs grub to the MBR, not gpt |
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| 22:18.27 | Titan8990 | ah, nvm, I see |
| 22:19.32 | ruediger | hi. |
| 22:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | I believe lilo copes with that without needing excessive kludging. |
| 22:20.35 | ruediger | I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze on a Asus EEE PC 4G. I installed the wireless-tools and loaded the ath5k driver (modprobe ath5k and it is listed in lsmod). But iwconfig does not find a network device with wireless extension |
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| 22:21.07 | ruediger | how can I create such a device (or what am I doing wrong) |
| 22:21.22 | Titan8990 | ruediger: what is the pciid of your wireless card? |
| 22:21.56 | Titan8990 | you should not have needed to manually load the module, that should be handled by udev |
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| 22:22.27 | ruediger | is the pciid the first thing in the output of lspci? |
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| 22:22.53 | ko3 | http://pastebin.com/vzrkkirf these are the grubinstall errors |
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| 22:23.13 | ko3 | ignore the top part |
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| 22:24.43 | Titan8990 | ruediger: no, you need to use lspci -nn and the pciid will look like: [11ab:4362] |
| 22:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | ko3: You attempted a cross-disk install, but the filesystem containing /boot/grub does not support UUIDs. |
| 22:25.21 | Titan8990 | ko3: looks like you might need to hand fix devices.map |
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| 22:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | So you need to tell it not to use UUIDs. |
| 22:25.35 | ko3 | i updated the pastebin, f5 to see my device.mpa |
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| 22:26.23 | ruediger | Titan8990: [1969:2048] but that could be the ethernet controller |
| 22:26.46 | Titan8990 | ko3: uhh, are you sure? |
| 22:26.59 | Titan8990 | judd: pciid 1969:2048 |
| 22:27.01 | ko3 | sure of what? |
| 22:27.01 | judd | [1969:2048] is 'L2 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl2' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:2048 and the out-of-tree 'atl2' module. |
| 22:27.13 | Titan8990 | ruediger: thats your wired connection |
| 22:27.20 | ko3 | lines 18 and beyond |
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| 22:27.39 | ko3 | http://pastebin.com/JRfp5S4C |
| 22:27.44 | Titan8990 | ko3: when you modify a pastebin, it creates an entirely new pastebin |
| 22:27.59 | ko3 | i see |
| 22:28.17 | ko3 | sorry for that http://pastebin.com/JRfp5S4C is the new link |
| 22:28.36 | ruediger | Titan8990: strange. the wireless device is not listed with lspci. (it worked with the previously installed ubuntu. so it's definately there :)). |
| 22:29.02 | Titan8990 | ruediger: lsusb |
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| 22:30.34 | ruediger | Titan8990: not listed there either. |
| 22:30.41 | Titan8990 | ko3: did you try interactive mode like the guide you posted? |
| 22:30.42 | ruediger | :-( |
| 22:30.52 | Titan8990 | ruediger: does your wireless have an on/off switch? |
| 22:31.00 | ko3 | but i am not really doing a crossdevice install, i am chrooted on the same device |
| 22:31.09 | ko3 | i cuoldnt enter interactive mode |
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| 22:31.17 | ruediger | Titan8990: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah yeah |
| 22:31.18 | ruediger | sorry |
| 22:31.25 | ruediger | is such an idiot |
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| 22:31.37 | ko3 | i dont have a executable "grub" i have grub-install and like 20 other grub-* |
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| 22:31.43 | Titan8990 | ruediger: that is an easy mistake to make |
| 22:31.56 | ruediger | thx |
| 22:32.02 | Titan8990 | ko3: is this grub or grub2? |
| 22:32.29 | ko3 | how do i find that out? |
| 22:33.02 | ko3 | grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.98-1) |
| 22:33.33 | Titan8990 | ko3, that is grub2, and I know nothing about it |
| 22:34.05 | Titan8990 | ko3: it appears to not have the interactive "grub" command |
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| 22:34.18 | ko3 | really? 1.98 is version 2? |
| 22:34.37 | Titan8990 | ko3: oddly enough, yes |
| 22:34.58 | Titan8990 | ko3: grub-legacy is 0.97-59 |
| 22:35.23 | ko3 | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106368.0 this more relevant reading material for me then? |
| 22:36.17 | Titan8990 | what a waste... that person could have contributed documentation to his distro's wiki... instead posts crap on the forums |
| 22:36.35 | ko3 | ctrl-c ctrl-v |
| 22:37.00 | ko3 | i admit, leaving work for other people |
| 22:37.32 | Titan8990 | I just really despise forum documentation |
| 22:37.44 | Titan8990 | ko3: but I can not really offer good advice on your issue |
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| 22:38.50 | Cowclops | Darn. went through the install process but it couldn't mount the root partition off my CF card |
| 22:38.59 | Cowclops | probably just doesn't like it being in AHCI mode |
| 22:39.32 | Cowclops | (i know how to make it work, i was just curious to see if the basic debian install would read that CF card in ahci mode. i've used the same card in IDE mode with no problems) |
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| 22:48.09 | brick_proofpoint | Cowclops, have you used that "80-pin" trick with CF-IDE to get UDMA? |
| 22:48.29 | brick_proofpoint | no matter what params i pass to the kernel it still ends up with UDMA2 when i know my card supports 5 |
| 22:48.42 | brick_proofpoint | not a burning issue, but has been bugging me for some time... |
| 22:49.11 | Cowclops | its in an SATA adapter, and its already in udma mode |
| 22:49.35 | Cowclops | it seems like this addonics SATA adapter ONLY functions properly with udma cards. like the transcend 300X SLC card i've got |
| 22:50.32 | Cowclops | probably something to do with the fact that its actually a pata to sata bridge chip, and not a simple wiring adapter like for cf->ide adapters |
| 22:51.05 | brick_proofpoint | my adapter plugs into the SATA bus too, but the kernel always finds the device at hda |
| 22:51.12 | Cowclops | nah, its sdc |
| 22:51.32 | Cowclops | the card is in AHCI mode and it finds it to install, but when i restart to boot it just says that it can't mount the root partition |
| 22:51.41 | Cowclops | with no other explanation |
| 22:51.56 | brick_proofpoint | hate that |
| 22:51.59 | Cowclops | i've run like, winxp off the same card so its definitely bootable |
| 22:52.03 | Cowclops | and i've run other linux distro |
| 22:52.05 | Cowclops | s |
| 22:52.11 | Cowclops | i was just trying a "minimum effort" installation |
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| 22:52.32 | Cowclops | i suspect if i had an intel SATA controller it would have worked better, or if i was running in IDE mode. |
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| 22:53.01 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: what kernel version are you running? |
| 22:53.11 | Cowclops | anyway, it was just something to fiddle with. if i want to install it for real, i know how to make it work |
| 22:53.38 | brick_proofpoint | Titan8990, i think 2.6.32rc7 still - have things changed recently in this department? |
| 22:53.39 | nsadmin | if you have a pata drive, why not try to get a pata interface instead of screwing with adapters? |
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| 22:54.00 | brick_proofpoint | nsadmin, the "drives" in question are compactflash cards |
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| 22:54.15 | nsadmin | aren't those usb? |
| 22:54.19 | Cowclops | no, they're inherently ATA |
| 22:54.24 | Cowclops | (of the parallel variety) |
| 22:54.26 | ranix | an on-board flash card is ata |
| 22:54.33 | Cowclops | i have both an SATA and a PATA flash card adapter |
| 22:54.34 | ranix | a usb adapter is sata |
| 22:54.50 | nsadmin | oic |
| 22:54.56 | Cowclops | the question isn't "how do i make da linuxz work" |
| 22:55.09 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: well, 32 is the current for testing, but debian kernel usually don't include "rc" in the version |
| 22:55.16 | Cowclops | i was just curious to see if it would install to that particular card in that praticular adapter |
| 22:55.33 | Cowclops | with my motherboard's SATA mode set to IDE |
| 22:55.37 | brick_proofpoint | Titan8990, ja, i compiled it meself and i have never figured out the debian way of doing so |
| 22:55.41 | Cowclops | sb750 ahci mode is kind of halfassed |
| 22:55.57 | Cowclops | er, i was curious to see if i could make it work in AHCI mode. i know it owrks in IDE mode. |
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| 22:56.07 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: that could be why your drive shows up as hdx... not using the modern libata drivers |
| 22:56.29 | nsadmin | what would be the advantage if you can? |
| 22:56.51 | brick_proofpoint | Titan8990, do you know what i can look for in dmesg to tell which drivers are in use? |
| 22:56.55 | brick_proofpoint | i think you are right |
| 22:56.56 | Cowclops | theres no advantage at all to running your root partition in AHCI mode, because its not really hot swappable to begin with |
| 22:57.03 | Cowclops | the advantage for me is not having to switch my bios between ahci and ide |
| 22:57.13 | Cowclops | can't hot swap SATA drives if the controller is in IDE mode |
| 22:57.16 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: lspci -k |
| 22:58.15 | brick_proofpoint | 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode] ... ahci |
| 22:58.31 | brick_proofpoint | i want "libata" there? |
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| 23:00.55 | brick_proofpoint | thank you Titan8990 |
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| 23:02.02 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: lspci -k said it was using the ahci kernel module? |
| 23:02.56 | Titan8990 | brick_proofpoint: libata was just referring to CONFIG_ATA as opposed to CONFIG_IDE |
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| 23:08.33 | valdyn | brick_proofpoint: the mode is set in your bios |
| 23:08.53 | valdyn | brick_proofpoint: and theres only one driver for ahci hardware anyway |
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| 23:14.14 | streuner | no |
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| 23:16.26 | ardya | hi folks, I need to add a static route for a specifc network, where do I add this |
| 23:16.35 | valdyn | !interfaces |
| 23:16.35 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 23:17.46 | \amethyst | the 'static route' factoid mentions /sbin/route... should this be changed to /bin/ip route ... ? |
| 23:17.57 | valdyn | \amethyst: does it matter? |
| 23:18.22 | valdyn | \amethyst: i mean, is route going to be removed? |
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| 23:18.45 | Titan8990 | it is deprecated as I understand |
| 23:19.07 | Titan8990 | however, I also understand that debian's networking configuration does not use iproute2.... |
| 23:19.15 | ardya | so its not possible when the iface uses dhcp? |
| 23:19.26 | valdyn | it uses whatever you want to |
| 23:19.31 | Titan8990 | ardya: when was that ever said? |
| 23:19.39 | valdyn | ardya: did you read the docs? |
| 23:20.01 | valdyn | !static route |
| 23:20.01 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:20.07 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: wouldn't hurt to mention both if your looking to change it |
| 23:21.09 | ardya | hmm tried that, didnt work, exact line was "up route add -net 192.168.20.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth0" |
| 23:21.24 | valdyn | ardya: post-up is probably better |
| 23:21.35 | ardya | ok I'll try that |
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| 23:21.43 | valdyn | ardya: this works if your command works in your shell |
| 23:21.47 | Titan8990 | ardya: you can use cidr notation |
| 23:21.48 | Godslastering | how do i fix dependencies of a package to be installed via dpkg -i ? |
| 23:22.15 | Titan8990 | ardya: route add -net 192.168.20.0/24 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:22.18 | valdyn | Godslastering: apt-get/aptitude -f install |
| 23:22.44 | Godslastering | valdyn: apt-get -f install PACKAGE.deb? this works? |
| 23:22.51 | valdyn | ardya: the dev is at best redundant |
| 23:22.54 | valdyn | Godslastering: no, that doesnt work |
| 23:22.58 | valdyn | Godslastering: just what i said |
| 23:23.01 | Godslastering | valdyn: then why tell me junk that doesn't work? |
| 23:23.14 | valdyn | Godslastering: i dont see where i said "package.deb" |
| 23:23.25 | Titan8990 | ardya: although, clients really shouldn't be doing any real routing themselves. If you can, set the gateway |
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| 23:23.56 | ardya | Titan8990: thats the prupose, I'm trying ot set a gateway, for a specific network, not default gw |
| 23:23.56 | Titan8990 | ardya: set the route in the machine's default gateway is what I mean |
| 23:24.13 | Godslastering | valdyn: this does not work... |
| 23:24.14 | Titan8990 | ardya: the default gw should be routing the client to that network |
| 23:24.19 | Godslastering | valdyn: i still get the dependencies messages |
| 23:24.21 | ardya | umm no |
| 23:24.28 | valdyn | Godslastering: show us |
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| 23:24.30 | ardya | its not, nor should ir |
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| 23:24.48 | Godslastering | valdyn: i can't copy and paste, i will type it |
| 23:24.51 | miguel000 | what does the etc in /etc stand for? |
| 23:24.58 | \amethyst | miguel000: "et cetera" |
| 23:25.00 | ardya | post-up works, thaqnks |
| 23:25.00 | Titan8990 | yeah... why should routing equipment handle the routing for clients... |
| 23:25.00 | valdyn | Godslastering: why cant you copy and paste? |
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| 23:25.06 | Godslastering | valdyn: because it is on my other computer |
| 23:25.09 | \amethyst | miguel000: as in, "miscellaneous" |
| 23:25.17 | valdyn | Godslastering: thats not a valid reason |
| 23:25.26 | \amethyst | Titan8990: 192.168.1.1 isn't his primary gateway |
| 23:25.28 | Godslastering | valdyn: it absolutely is |
| 23:25.30 | miguel000 | \amethyst, thats what my google search also said, but i just dont want to believe it |
| 23:25.34 | valdyn | Godslastering: no. |
| 23:25.34 | nsadmin | ssh into it from the computer you're ircing from |
| 23:25.40 | valdyn | !paste without x |
| 23:25.41 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:25.51 | Godslastering | rofl |
| 23:25.52 | valdyn | haha |
| 23:25.52 | \amethyst | Titan8990: he wants to talk to 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.20.0 through 192.168.1.1, and everything else through, say, 10.0.0.1 |
| 23:25.55 | miguel000 | thought its something like somethin something configuration |
| 23:25.57 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 23:25.57 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 23:26.45 | Godslastering | valdyn: dpkg: error processing webmin (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: webmin |
| 23:27.05 | valdyn | Godslastering: thats not enough |
| 23:27.15 | nsadmin | how did webmin get back in? :) |
| 23:27.26 | Godslastering | valdyn: well that is all that is given, how is it not enough? |
| 23:27.30 | valdyn | Godslastering: but - that also means that the package is installed, just not configured |
| 23:27.42 | valdyn | Godslastering: now apt-get -f install would fix this if it could |
| 23:27.43 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: shouldn't 10.0.0.1 be the device to route his packets to the correct network? |
| 23:27.56 | Godslastering | valdyn: well it doesn't |
| 23:28.02 | valdyn | Godslastering: so it cannot |
| 23:28.08 | \amethyst | Titan8990: not if this computer is connected to 10.0.0.1 with one network card and to 192.168.0.0 with another network card |
| 23:28.16 | valdyn | Godslastering: magic is beyond its scope, as is conjuring packages out of nowhere |
| 23:28.27 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: ah, that is true |
| 23:28.30 | Godslastering | valdyn: great, back to the beginnign, how do i fix this? |
| 23:28.38 | valdyn | Godslastering: get the missing packages |
| 23:28.52 | nsadmin | , versions webmin |
| 23:28.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'webmin' was found. |
| 23:29.03 | nsadmin | so how did you get webmin? |
| 23:29.04 | Godslastering | it isn't in the repository.... |
| 23:29.09 | Godslastering | download it? not that difficult |
| 23:29.20 | nsadmin | correct, how did you get it as a .deb? |
| 23:29.29 | Godslastering | nsadmin: read what i just said |
| 23:29.44 | valdyn | Godslastering: the difficult part is probably reading which distros it is for |
| 23:29.52 | Godslastering | valdyn: not at all |
| 23:30.02 | valdyn | Godslastering: or finding out which packages it needs that aren't in debian |
| 23:30.10 | Godslastering | valdyn: "This version is good for Debian, ubuntu, and debian based distros: <LINK>" |
| 23:30.21 | valdyn | Godslastering: show us |
| 23:30.41 | nsadmin | ok... so here's what we have... the package comes from somewhere outside of debian (not inherently bad, just out of debian's control) |
| 23:30.45 | Godslastering | show you what valdyn |
| 23:30.54 | valdyn | Godslastering: the web site url |
| 23:31.09 | valdyn | Godslastering: maybe i can see what you cant paste there |
| 23:31.11 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: and known for poor quality packages |
| 23:31.20 | Godslastering | valdyn: http://www.webmin.com/download.html |
| 23:31.40 | nsadmin | it's depending on things it needs (again, not inherently bad, just it cannot know what version of things it can get unless the maints are always watching) |
| 23:31.49 | Godslastering | valdyn: also, apt-get is screwing up, it isn't auto-resolving dependencies, and when i apt-get -f install it says everything is up to date |
| 23:32.01 | valdyn | Godslastering: try this page: http://www.webmin.com/deb.html |
| 23:32.07 | nsadmin | when trying to resolve those dependencies, something's missing |
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| 23:32.31 | valdyn | Godslastering: the "If Debian complains about missing dependencies, ..." part |
| 23:32.35 | nsadmin | Godslastering, that's what we have so far |
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| 23:33.10 | Godslastering | valdyn: alrighty, trying it |
| 23:33.16 | valdyn | Im still confused as to why apt-get -f install would not fix this |
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| 23:33.45 | nsadmin | the maints are probably out of date with support for what's presently in debian? |
| 23:33.46 | Godslastering | valdyn: now it requires apt-show-versions, but if i apt-get install apt-show versions it says dependcy problem |
| 23:33.54 | Godslastering | yet apt-get -f install doesn't do anything |
| 23:34.20 | valdyn | Godslastering: you cannot install "apt-show-versions" ? |
| 23:34.28 | Godslastering | valdyn: no |
| 23:34.30 | valdyn | judd: versions apt-show-versions |
| 23:34.30 | nsadmin | I'd suggest purging webmin for the moment, then running apt-get -f install |
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| 23:34.32 | judd | apt-show-versions -- etch: 0.10; etch-backports: 0.14~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.15; sid: 0.16; squeeze: 0.16 |
| 23:34.40 | valdyn | Godslastering: why cant you? |
| 23:34.53 | Godslastering | valdyn: unmet dependencies lib-apt-pkg-perl |
| 23:35.01 | Godslastering | but apt-get -f install says its all up to date/etc |
| 23:35.09 | valdyn | Godslastering: your install is in a fucked state |
| 23:35.16 | valdyn | Godslastering: which debian release is it supposed to be? |
| 23:35.32 | Godslastering | valdyn: yes it is. i'm not quite sure to be honest. |
| 23:35.40 | Godslastering | valdyn: i believe it is the newest..though i can't be sure |
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| 23:35.58 | valdyn | Godslastering: did you ever edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:36.07 | valdyn | Godslastering: are you really in ubuntu? |
| 23:36.09 | Godslastering | valdyn: yes, because it only had the cdrom in it, so i added the others |
| 23:36.26 | Godslastering | valdyn: no, i'm not in ubuntu... |
| 23:36.29 | valdyn | Godslastering: you need to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:37.53 | Godslastering | ah valdyn i have some squeeze lines and some lenny lines <_< |
| 23:38.10 | valdyn | Godslastering: that is bad |
| 23:38.14 | nsadmin | meaning pastebin the file :) |
| 23:38.25 | Godslastering | valdyn: just fixed it to all squeeze, then apt-get update |
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| 23:38.33 | valdyn | Godslastering: apt-cache policy libc6 shows what for installed: |
| 23:38.58 | valdyn | Godslastering: apt-get dist-upgrade too then |
| 23:39.05 | Godslastering | will apt-get dist-upgrade work if they are all set to squeeze? |
| 23:39.18 | valdyn | Godslastering: no one knows, squeeze is a beta release |
| 23:39.29 | valdyn | or alpha |
| 23:39.34 | Godslastering | O.o odd i thought it was older than lenny |
| 23:39.54 | nsadmin | well you want to install dpkg, apt, aptitude first I guess |
| 23:39.57 | valdyn | Godslastering: learn how to cut and paste |
| 23:40.06 | valdyn | Godslastering: because this is a waste of time for both of us |
| 23:40.12 | valdyn | Godslastering: dpkg told you all |
| 23:40.25 | Godslastering | valdyn: how, without x? can you trigger the command again? |
| 23:40.31 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 23:40.31 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 23:40.35 | valdyn | Godslastering: ^^^again |
| 23:40.45 | Godslastering | thanks |
| 23:40.53 | Mowee | Nenuit o/ |
| 23:41.18 | nsadmin | if you're having these problems you may have to get the gpm .deb and install that' |
| 23:41.27 | nsadmin | at this point I'd get the lenny one |
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| 23:41.57 | nsadmin | , versions gpm |
| 23:41.59 | judd | gpm -- etch: 1.19.6-25; lenny: 1.20.4-3.1; sid: 1.20.4-3.3; squeeze: 1.20.4-3.3 |
| 23:42.09 | Godslastering | nsadmin: what is gpm? |
| 23:42.29 | lindi- | Godslastering: apt-cache show gpm |
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| 23:48.50 | dominicus | What package, utility, or command should I use to find duplicate files, and in another case, to find files with the exact same name? (I did some hard drive recovery and there are multiple files scattered across hundreds of folders, some are corrupted and some are not.) |
| 23:49.14 | JordiGH | dominicus: Perl, write a short script. |
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| 23:49.30 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 23:49.54 | edwin_quijada | there is an app that can monitor my eth0 for possible down? |
| 23:50.22 | Balgan | what u mean by possible down ? |
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| 23:50.50 | JordiGH | I'm having a weird problem, turning on gnome-proxy to use a SOCKS 5 ssh proxy on localhost for all protocols makes gnome-panel eat 100% CPU, lol? |
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| 23:51.03 | eam | how does apt' |
| 23:51.04 | edwin_quijada | Balgan: I did a dmesg and I get a down an up for my eth0 |
| 23:51.19 | dominicus | JordiGH: Yeah, I could probably do that. I haven't used Perl in years, so I kind of forgot about it. But, if there happens to be an already existing utility to do this, I'm up for saving time. Thanks for the wonderful suggestion. =) |
| 23:51.26 | eam | how does apt's dependency resolution compare to yum? Yum works off assuming the most recent package is viable - is apt the same? |
| 23:51.33 | edwin_quijada | [11481867.883010] bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Down |
| 23:51.33 | edwin_quijada | [11484966.345353] bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Up, 1000 Mbps full duplex |
| 23:51.49 | edwin_quijada | I need to know when this occur again |
| 23:51.56 | JordiGH | dominicus: Python, bash, PHP, make your choice, but it's pretty easy to script. You sound like a sysadmin, sysdamins can write scripts, right? |
| 23:52.01 | Balgan | python bash |
| 23:52.07 | Balgan | script that detects that |
| 23:52.08 | Balgan | and warns u |
| 23:52.21 | rgr_ | apt has many ways of determining package suitability. |
| 23:52.42 | eam | rgr_: I'm looking for example code for a dependency traversal - yum doesn't do what I need |
| 23:52.48 | dondelelcaro | eam: it's quite a bit more complicated |
| 23:52.54 | edwin_quijada | the etho0 change from 100 to 1000Mbps |
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| 23:53.06 | dominicus | JordiGH: Yeah, I have a lot of Perl experience previously, and even more PHP. I just started writing bash scripts recently too. Only did Python for a course assignment. The good sysadmins can write scripts. =) |
| 23:53.11 | eam | specifically, I need something that can backtrack between versions of packages which possibly change the dependency tree |
| 23:53.14 | edwin_quijada | but first down the eth0 |
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| 23:53.41 | JordiGH | dominicus: Hm, your usage of the term "folder" should have warned me. |
| 23:53.44 | Tramp | dominicus: http://snipplr.com/view/26669/find-duplicate-files-recursively-bash4-assoc-arrays/ |
| 23:53.49 | dondelelcaro | eam: any real dependency resolver will be able to handle that; aptitude and apt-get both can, though they don't necessarily find the optimal solution |
| 23:54.05 | rgr_ | folder is totally fine and frequently used in Linux too. |
| 23:54.11 | eam | I guess yum isn't a real dependency resolver :) |
| 23:54.21 | dominicus | JordiGH: Warned you of what? lol |
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| 23:54.28 | JordiGH | dominicus: Of the lols. |
| 23:54.49 | Tramp | dominicus: http://snipplr.com/view/26667/find-files-with-identical-names-recursively-bash4-assoc-arrays/ |
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| 23:55.06 | Tramp | dominicus: modify to your taste and use at your own risk |
| 23:55.41 | dominicus | JordiGH: Thanks. |
| 23:56.04 | dominicus | Tramp: Thanks. I'll give that a gander, and post anything I improve upon. Cheers |
| 23:56.07 | JordiGH | Yay, undeserving receipt of thanks. |
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| 23:57.22 | lewis | what's the correct linux-headers for linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 ? |
| 23:57.26 | edwin_quijada | if I use dmseg just I get the information from restart |
| 23:57.27 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 23:57.37 | lewis | linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64 ? I don't understand what trunk means... |
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| 23:57.51 | JordiGH | lewis: noooo, not trunk. |
| 23:58.00 | lewis | JordiGH: eh? |
| 23:58.03 | JordiGH | lewis: That's some weirdass faggotry the kernel team did. |
| 23:58.50 | lewis | oh - so I should uninstall that? |
| 23:58.54 | eam | dondelelcaro: don't suppose you know where apt/aptitude's source can be found? Search engine is giving less than useful results. |
| 23:59.01 | dondelelcaro | eam: apt-get source aptitude; |
| 23:59.09 | eam | I don't have a debian box at the moment |
| 23:59.18 | JordiGH | I don't know, man, that -trunk business coincided with me getting some really weird bugs, kernel panics and what not. |
| 23:59.29 | dondelelcaro | eam: http://hg.debian.org/hg/aptitude/debian |
| 23:59.36 | eam | perfect, thanks |
| 23:59.38 | JordiGH | Yay, hg. |
| 23:59.47 | JordiGH | I'm not the only weirdo who likes hg instead of git. |
| 23:59.55 | lewis | the trunk isn't even listed as a debian package... |
| 23:59.57 | dondelelcaro | eam: or http://bzr.debian.org/apt/debian-sid/ |