| 00:00.04 | dondelelcaro | lewis: because it isn't distributed anymore |
| 00:00.21 | lewis | I got debian squeeze - trunk is already old? hmm |
| 00:00.28 | rgr_ | no |
| 00:00.44 | rgr_ | ignore that wafle. trunk is the current kernel. |
| 00:00.56 | lewis | ok - so where can I get the correct headers? |
| 00:01.09 | lewis | seeing as linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 doesn't exist |
| 00:01.23 | JordiGH | lewis: Ignore rgr, I sure do, but he seems to be evading my ignore. |
| 00:01.43 | rgr_ | You will find JOrdiGH is a scrare mongeror and prone to liking the sound of his own voice. |
| 00:02.17 | dondelelcaro | lewis: upgrade to a kernel that is currently being distributed; that's what you want to do |
| 00:02.59 | JordiGH | I'll read in the archives what that -trunk business was and why were they so eager to release a newer kernel. |
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| 00:04.44 | lewis | well, I have 2.6.32-3-amd64 installed too. Can I just uninstall the old trunk kernel and reboot? |
| 00:04.56 | JordiGH | You sure can. |
| 00:05.00 | dondelelcaro | lewis: if you're running the trunk kernel, yeah. Reboot, and then remove it |
| 00:05.26 | lewis | touche, I probably can't/shouldn't remove the running kernel ;) |
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| 00:06.45 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's generally a bad idea |
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| 00:07.22 | JordiGH | dpkg --force-all |
| 00:07.23 | dpkg | JordiGH: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:07.38 | JordiGH | (kids, don't try this at home) |
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| 00:12.27 | rgr_ | lewis: btw, when you replace the trunk kernel often the easiest way to get headers is to run module-assistant. e.g "sudo m-a update" etc. |
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| 00:18.22 | Godslastering | why does it say "the following packages have been held back: mysql-server" ? |
| 00:19.49 | edwin_quijada | Can I know the the event time using dmesg? |
| 00:20.35 | dondelelcaro | edwin_quijada: it tells you in seconds after boot |
| 00:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Godslastering, because you did safe-upgrade and upgrading those would imply doing something "unsafe" |
| 00:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. removing packages or adding new ones or somesuch |
| 00:21.06 | Godslastering | CutMeOwnThroat: i just did apt-get upgrade, so what should i do to actually upgrade mysql-server? |
| 00:21.12 | edwin_quijada | dondelelcaro: but where? |
| 00:21.26 | edwin_quijada | [11481867.883010] bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Down |
| 00:21.51 | edwin_quijada | in this example , Can I know the time when did it occur? |
| 00:22.16 | dondelelcaro | edwin_quijada: 11481867.883010 is the time |
| 00:22.22 | rgr_ | Godslastering: normally becuase they require other new packages I believe. |
| 00:22.32 | Godslastering | rgr_: ok. |
| 00:22.38 | rgr_ | hang on. |
| 00:22.47 | Cowclops | Oh wow, i figured out why i couldn't get grub to mount the root partition |
| 00:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Godslastering, upgrade is the same as "safe-upgrade", if you do "dist-upgrade", they will be upgraded |
| 00:23.00 | Godslastering | CutMeOwnThroat: alrighty. |
| 00:23.00 | rgr_ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 do a dist-ugrade |
| 00:23.06 | dondelelcaro | edwin_quijada: /proc/uptime has how long the system has been up, and you know the current time, so it's not a huge deal to calculate it |
| 00:23.08 | Cowclops | even though it clearly had ahci drivers or else i wouldn't be able to read the drive/install stuff to it |
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| 00:23.35 | Cowclops | its because it was confused about whether it was the first or the third drive or whatever |
| 00:24.07 | edwin_quijada | dondelelcaro: where can I convert this number? What kind of it is this number? |
| 00:24.34 | the|herbivore | Godslastering: possibly 'apt-get -s install mysql-server' may give you more information as to why |
| 00:24.49 | bp0 | edwin_quijada: it is the number of seconds since the system booted |
| 00:25.04 | bp0 | who -b |
| 00:25.13 | bp0 | tells when the system was started |
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| 00:27.27 | edwin_quijada | bp0: I dont understand the number it is the first part or second part |
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| 00:27.43 | sc | anyone else have EDAC errors reporting into kern.log every second? |
| 00:28.00 | bp0 | first part? you mean the whole part vs the fraction part? |
| 00:28.07 | bp0 | it is a decimal number of seconds |
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| 00:28.36 | edwin_quijada | bp0: yes |
| 00:29.01 | edwin_quijada | decimal is seconds and left part? date? |
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| 00:29.39 | Misterangry | the adduser command speaks of a --system option that adds a user as a system user.. what's the difference between a regular user and a system user? |
| 00:29.58 | bp0 | 11481867.883010 = 11481867 seconds + 883010/1000000 of one second |
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| 00:30.17 | bp0 | maybe you're from a country that uses , or something... so 11481867,883010 |
| 00:30.25 | Misterangry | am I correct in thinking it's just a user with higher access privelegdes? |
| 00:30.26 | bp0 | it is one number |
| 00:30.34 | edwin_quijada | bp0: ok |
| 00:30.48 | edwin_quijada | maybe a ineed to do a shell to convert this |
| 00:31.52 | edwin_quijada | bp0: so x= 11481867 seconds + 883010/1000000 seconds this add to date get from who -b |
| 00:32.23 | Misterangry | the man page for adduser doesn't say anything about the difference, googling doesn't solve anything either |
| 00:32.48 | edwin_quijada | Misterangry: the system user doesnt have login and home directory |
| 00:32.49 | bp0 | basically, you'll have to convert one of them |
| 00:32.55 | edwin_quijada | OK |
| 00:33.03 | edwin_quijada | let's do it |
| 00:33.06 | edwin_quijada | thks! |
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| 00:34.08 | Misterangry | ..that's.. um, okay. Thanks edwin_quijada. |
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| 00:41.16 | ax-ax | my sound in flash stops working when i play music in amarok/phonon. what's up? :S |
| 00:41.59 | sc | switching back to the other phonon device seems to corrected to stopping playback |
| 00:42.02 | sc | weird |
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| 00:55.13 | Rienzilla | hmm is it possible to have apt ignore a dependency of a package? |
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| 01:01.59 | peterrooney | Rienzilla: don't know about apt, but dpkg can. |
| 01:02.15 | Godslastering | where is the auth log located? |
| 01:02.24 | portable | Hello, got a kernel question. Im running kernel 2.6.31 and I dont have working video on my laptop unless i use kernel 2.6.33. Is there a way to get the driver from the newer kernel into the older one? |
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| 01:03.27 | nevyn | portable: yeah that's really hard. |
| 01:03.27 | Rienzilla | well I know I can install with --no-deps, but I would like an apt configuration which prevents a particular package from ever being installed, while not breaking the packages that depend on it |
| 01:03.38 | Rienzilla | (specifically, the openssl, openvpn and openssh blacklists) |
| 01:03.47 | portable | nevyn: it is difficult. bummer |
| 01:04.45 | \amethyst | Rienzilla: install a fake package with the same name, and pin to that version? |
| 01:05.00 | Rienzilla | oh that could work |
| 01:05.09 | nevyn | portable: what's preventing you from using 2.6.33? |
| 01:05.09 | Rienzilla | with version number gazillion :) |
| 01:05.21 | \amethyst | Rienzilla: gazillion:something |
| 01:05.38 | \amethyst | Rienzilla: since 1:0.0 is bigger than gazillion |
| 01:05.44 | Rienzilla | ah ok :-) |
| 01:05.52 | Rienzilla | hmm let's see |
| 01:06.01 | \amethyst | 'equivs' can be used to make such fake packages |
| 01:06.23 | Rienzilla | thanks |
| 01:06.28 | Rienzilla | i'll try it now |
| 01:07.11 | portable | nevyn: Well Im using suse as my distro, but only way to get the 2.6.33 kernel is to use their bleeding edge factory repos, and its unstable. so i wanted to get the drivers from the new kernel into the stable working one |
| 01:10.15 | Godslastering | anyone here use jailkit? |
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| 01:18.09 | Superbaloo | hi ! where may i find git headers in debian ? |
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| 01:48.18 | dvs | zzzz |
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| 01:54.35 | nocturnus | "mount -t tmpfs -o size=500M none /tmp && mount -t aufs -o dirs=/tmp:/var none /var" works in allowed files put in /var to be stored in ram, but I lose keyboard/mouse capabilities when starting X, (iusing evdev/HAL), what's the problem? |
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| 02:00.51 | Vasistha | looking for assistance with pdftk. Anyone know of a good chan? |
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| 02:02.58 | aitiba | hi |
| 02:03.12 | sc | hi |
| 02:04.06 | aitiba | on squeeze are backports repositories? |
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| 02:04.30 | Vasistha | aitiba: I don't think so, not until squeeze is stable will there be backports for it |
| 02:04.42 | aitiba | ok |
| 02:04.53 | aitiba | do you squeeze? |
| 02:05.07 | Vasistha | aitiba: people running testing who need a backport tend to just get it from unstable, as they tend to have similar libraries |
| 02:05.16 | Vasistha | runs stable |
| 02:05.29 | aitiba | ok |
| 02:05.34 | aitiba | thanks Vasistha |
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| 02:06.48 | sc | what about adding: deb http://www.backports.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:07.24 | aitiba | sc that would be rules? |
| 02:07.40 | Vasistha | aitiba: err, or I could be completely wrong on my first answer :) |
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| 02:10.26 | Vasistha | I'd like to fill out pdf forms. pdftk is old and does not support some newer pdf files. Does anyone know if this is possible in linux? |
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| 02:18.07 | dvs | devious: imposter! ;-) |
| 02:18.44 | devious | Heh. |
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| 02:20.34 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: pdftk supports many of them; you can also just use inkscape or xournal |
| 02:20.54 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: evince also supports quite a few of them, too |
| 02:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, flpsed? |
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| 02:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, glad you didn't mention that one, I hadn't checked :) |
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| 02:24.46 | Vasistha | thanks dondelelcaro, CutMeOwnThroat, I'll check out xournal and flpsed. It looks like inkscape works, but it is a little clunky. pdftk barfs on these pdfs: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/fl140.pdf |
| 02:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of xournal |
| 02:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | flpsed is quite old and just writes "on top" of any postscript (or pdf) |
| 02:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooh, xournal is a lot more fancy |
| 02:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooh, shape-recognizer |
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| 02:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, shiny |
| 02:31.22 | Vasistha | haha... xournal doesn't seem to actually save anything but the new data it produces |
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| 02:32.58 | markl_ | is there a dpkg equivalent of the rpm "freshen" command, where I can list a big set of deb files that may or may not be upgrades compared to what is currently installed? |
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| 02:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude upgrade" tells you what it's going to install before it does so |
| 02:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also telling you which packages are "kept back", which should complete the list |
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| 02:43.14 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: well it may be more basic, but flpsed can actually save the pdf properly. And wow, the file size is teeny tine |
| 02:43.16 | Vasistha | tiny |
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| 02:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | teeny tiny toe? |
| 02:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | usage sucks, though |
| 02:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind off |
| 02:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/f$// |
| 02:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it actually got quite a lot better |
| 02:46.58 | Vasistha | well, I must note that although original cursor placement is clunky, it allows me to drag the cursor and put it exactly where I want it, after the original placement... I don't know when I've ever seen that in any program, and it is quite a nice feature |
| 02:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think one could only change pages with ctrl-n (next) and ctrl-f (first) |
| 02:47.31 | Vasistha | oh yes... I should probably make sure it works on my multipage document too, huh |
| 02:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you can't edit text fields... except by erasing things from the end of the line |
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| 02:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | alllll the way back to the typo |
| 02:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yeah, it's good enough for filling forms, normally |
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| 02:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, you're right - xournal allows you to move stuff up and down, but not left and right |
| 02:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you move the whole layer |
| 02:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, but you can use the select rectangle to move stuff |
| 02:51.50 | Vasistha | I can't get xournal to save properly, though. It only saves my annotations, the rest of the form is not saved at all |
| 02:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "export pdf" |
| 02:52.42 | Vasistha | inkscape works alright, but it's a lot slower. flpsed and inkscape kinda represent the opposite ends of the spectrum on this issue. Anyway, hopefully Dad will be happy with one of these |
| 02:53.15 | Vasistha | yeah, I tried the export pdf option on xournal, but it... didn't. Maybe I should try again? I dunno, maybe some day. I'd better get going. Thanks a log, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:53.18 | Vasistha | or, a lot |
| 02:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | did it for me |
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| 02:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually with much less overhead in filesize than flpsed, I think |
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| 02:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | original: 184473 flpsed: 253690 xournal: 193364 |
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| 02:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool, have to remember that |
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| 02:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | edit pdf with xournal, edit pdf with xournal, edit pdf with xournal... |
| 02:57.42 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: can you make this one work? http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/fl142.pdf |
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| 03:01.39 | initq | allo allo |
| 03:02.04 | initq | when i dd, will that do the boot sector also? |
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| 03:03.42 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 03:04.30 | johnfg | I'm upgrading from lenny > squeeze, and twice now, the system has hung during aptitude safe-upgrade. |
| 03:04.49 | nsadmin | initq depending on what parameters you feed to dd |
| 03:04.56 | johnfg | Thankfully, I can still login as root, and it's able to pick up where it left off, but what's up with this? |
| 03:04.58 | nsadmin | so |
| 03:05.11 | nsadmin | "dd" is not enough info |
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| 03:05.41 | nsadmin | but if your question really is "can dd do that" answer is yes |
| 03:05.43 | initq | nsadmin: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sda |
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| 03:06.02 | nsadmin | umm :) that could be a dangerous move :) |
| 03:06.14 | initq | oops |
| 03:06.14 | nsadmin | but, the mbr would be included\ |
| 03:06.20 | johnfg | Is this normal? |
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| 03:06.51 | initq | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 03:07.08 | initq | nice, i'll test it, otherwise bs=512 count=1 |
| 03:07.15 | nsadmin | yeah, sector 0 of the drive is included |
| 03:07.45 | nsadmin | do you have the exact same size drive sda and sdb? |
| 03:07.54 | initq | nsadmin: yes |
| 03:08.22 | nsadmin | it should copy the whole drive, mbr, partition table, everything |
| 03:08.28 | wols | johnfg: it's not normal but you don't give enogh info to help you |
| 03:08.53 | wols | initq: uzse a higher blocksize tho. you want it to be done today, not next month |
| 03:09.19 | nsadmin | a blocksize that covers a whole cyl would be good |
| 03:09.40 | initq | ah ok |
| 03:10.23 | nsadmin | that size would be 512 * (sectors/cyl of your drive) |
| 03:10.59 | nsadmin | but if you don't feed it bs, it should default to something |
| 03:11.07 | nsadmin | find out what that default is |
| 03:11.10 | johnfg | What's to give? I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list from lenny to squeeze. Did aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude dpkg; then, aptitude safe-upgrade. |
| 03:11.37 | nsadmin | oh you did? |
| 03:11.38 | initq | nsadmin: it's going quite fast --> 26655383552 bytes (27 GB) copied, 665.302 s, 40.1 MB/s |
| 03:11.39 | johnfg | It locked up while it was doing the safe-upgrade command. You want to know numbers? Like where it's at now? |
| 03:12.48 | nsadmin | probably what would be good to know is why it locked up |
| 03:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, only if I do pdf2ps fl142.pdf; ps2pdf fl142.ps; xournal fl142.pdf |
| 03:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, in which case you can probably use pdftk as well :) |
| 03:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | sureleah, you can also write your own pdf2pdf instead (that doesn't exist, ps2ps does) |
| 03:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps start with what "locked up" means |
| 03:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I can still log in as root" is quite mysterious, too |
| 03:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | it suggests that more than the upgrade process hangs, but less than the system |
| 03:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he quit |
| 03:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | OF COURSE! |
| 03:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at these sore, sore fingers |
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| 03:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | typed down to the bone, trying to answer people who just LEAVE |
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| 03:22.19 | nsadmin | I want to convert flash videos to either mpeg4 or avi... mencoder wants to know what codec I want for the audio, and I have no idea what to pick |
| 03:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try -copy? |
| 03:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 03:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the correct syntax |
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| 03:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | -oac |
| 03:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | -oac copy |
| 03:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... well, it's not as if you've got a huge choice |
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| 03:24.04 | nsadmin | hmm. how to find out if that works... I guess I could fire up the laptop |
| 03:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's uncompressed pcm (huge data size), mp3, mp2... |
| 03:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | -oac copy won't recode... if that works ok, I'd stick with whatever they had |
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| 03:26.51 | wols | nsadmin: for avi you want mp3 |
| 03:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the fun thing is, that audio can significantly contribute to the file size |
| 03:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, did you get that? |
| 03:27.12 | wols | mp4 sounds more like aac |
| 03:27.32 | Vasistha_ | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm, I was not here between my part 20 minutes ago and my join 30 seconds ago |
| 03:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 03:27.44 | wols | yes aac. but mp3 is valid for .mp4 too |
| 03:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, see, they ALL leave on me! |
| 03:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | pure spite |
| 03:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> Vasistha, only if I do pdf2ps fl142.pdf; ps2pdf fl142.ps; xournal fl142.pdf <CutMeOwnThroat> Vasistha, in which case you can probably use pdftk as well :) <CutMeOwnThroat> sureleah, you can also write your own pdf2pdf instead (that doesn't exist, ps2ps does) |
| 03:28.28 | nsadmin | ute spiurep |
| 03:28.30 | wols | no one wants to be near a guy with a cut throat. messy, bloody. think of the cleaner bills if it gets out at all |
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| 03:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, and I thought I was maybe smelly.... |
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| 03:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | phew... |
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| 03:29.24 | johnfg | It bombed while I was chatting, but here's what came across tty1: |
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| 03:29.42 | Vasistha_ | CutMeOwnThroat: oh ... thanks! yeah, well I'll see how well dad likes inkscape and flpsed, and if he's displeased I'll look into something else. I think what he really wants is for me to find a newer version of adobe acrobat pro somewhere... I think I have an old disc lying around that someone gave me |
| 03:30.05 | johnfg | [1328.35255] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init. |
| 03:30.10 | wols | yes, corpses like you start smelling after a while? how long have you been "CutMeOwnThroat" now? months? human slit throat bodies start to stink after 2 days tops |
| 03:30.15 | johnfg | Does this help clarify my issue? |
| 03:30.23 | wols | johnfg: no it does not |
| 03:30.26 | wols | !errors |
| 03:30.26 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 03:30.39 | wols | note about this pesky "first" thing |
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| 03:30.52 | nsadmin | johnfg: are you sure your disks are ok? |
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| 03:33.52 | nsadmin | in fact at this point I'd ask you to also run a mem tester for awhile just to make sure your mobo/video/cpu/ram are all ok |
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| 03:35.09 | nsadmin | the kind of stuff you're getting it would at least be nice to be able to rule out hardware as the problem |
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| 03:37.18 | Vasistha_ | CutMeOwnThroat: s'true, I must say, as helpful as you are, I really think you ought to consider a new nick |
| 03:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
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| 03:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dibbler |
| 03:37.32 | dpkg | Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'" |
| 03:38.05 | Vasistha_ | of course... well, I gave you my opinion :) |
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| 03:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha_, my other nick is "Tired" - that gets me highlighted in every channel at least once a day... |
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| 03:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I got a talent for picking good nicks |
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| 03:41.17 | Vasistha_ | CutMeOwnThroat: hah! I don't get many accidental highlights... in fact so many people make typos when trying to type my nick, that I set up a highlight for the regex vas[istha]{2} |
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| 03:41.44 | nsadmin | would it be "better" somehow (if so how?) to use something other than mencoder? |
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| 03:42.23 | Vasistha_ | afaik mencoder only outputs video+audio. If you want to e.g. only output audio, then another tool would be more appropriate... but I think I'm out of context here. |
| 03:42.38 | nsadmin | I do want vid + aud |
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| 03:43.34 | nsadmin | to bring you up to date... I want to convert flash video (.flvs) to something windows media player can play |
| 03:44.20 | nsadmin | so I'm presently considering mpeg4 and avi |
| 03:44.26 | initq | ffmpeg -pass 1 -i $1 -acodec libmp3lame -ar 22050 -ab 96000 -deinterlace -nr 500 -s 400x280 -aspect 4:3 -r 30 -g 500 -me_range 20 -b 270k -f flv -y $1.flv |
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| 03:44.40 | nsadmin | wow :) |
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| 03:47.19 | nsadmin | if I omit the aspect and -s parameters, will it just copy what's there and keep the same res? |
| 03:47.31 | initq | yes |
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| 03:47.46 | nsadmin | ok, let me study this |
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| 03:48.34 | r3m | Hi, is there an opensource program to make animated thing. Like adobe flash I can make some funny scenario |
| 03:48.46 | nsadmin | gimp is one |
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| 03:49.40 | agike | Hi, I apt-installed kfreebsd-source-7.0 on a sid/squeeze system and the system hangs after reboot but before gdm startup. All I see is a moveable circular cursor consisting of a turning disk which seems to go on forever, so to pre-empt any damage I usually poweroff. BSD uses ZFS .. am I about to bork the file system ? It was advertised as having debian patches, so I assumed it was debian friendly. My workaround has been to use a WattOS/Xu |
| 03:49.40 | agike | buntu backup system. Any ideas how to enable or disable it ? |
| 03:49.43 | nsadmin | for example it can take an image and apply "rippling" to it, generating frames |
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| 03:50.26 | \amethyst | agike: err, that package is just source code |
| 03:50.26 | nsadmin | agike: what's your goal? |
| 03:51.05 | nsadmin | also... you originally had something that works... right? if so, why are you moving away from it |
| 03:51.49 | agike | nsadmin: curiosity, basically. I did not realise what it was. Is it recoverable ? |
| 03:52.20 | nsadmin | oh, probably... so you booted into a different os kernel? |
| 03:53.42 | wols | agike: you run debian/linux and installed freebsd source, and now your system hangs on bootup, and you also use zfs? |
| 03:53.52 | agike | nsadmin: yep, the WattOS/Xubuntu on a different partition .. but I would like to get back into the debian drive. I have mounted file and home dirs via fstab |
| 03:54.19 | agike | wols: Yes to the first. Ext3 in latest deb kernels |
| 03:54.30 | wols | agike: then your "problem desription" is useless |
| 03:54.31 | nsadmin | wouldn't that be acomplished if you boot the original kernel? |
| 03:54.55 | agike | nsadmin: true, but it hangs on boot as described. |
| 03:55.05 | nsadmin | for what reason? |
| 03:55.21 | wols | agike: your grub has a recovery mode entry. use it |
| 03:56.08 | \amethyst | agike: the hang has nothing to do with the kfreebsd-source package |
| 03:56.21 | agike | wols: I'll give it a bash .. I have not tried that. Thanks. I'll get back to you guys after I've had a break. |
| 03:56.23 | \amethyst | agike: unless perhaps installing it touched a bad sector on your drive or something |
| 03:56.24 | nsadmin | recovery mode is single-user, so only one task and it doesn't start any server (or other) daemons |
| 03:56.45 | agike | amethyst: It has been suggested that bsd kernel is trying to boot. |
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| 03:57.21 | nsadmin | so were' |
| 03:57.23 | nsadmin | er |
| 03:57.26 | agike | nsadmin: thanks. I;ll try to apt-get remove the kfreebsd-source-7.0 from recovery mode |
| 03:57.30 | \amethyst | agike: if all you did is install kfreebsd-source, you don't have a bsd kernel |
| 03:57.52 | nsadmin | so we're missing some info... you installed the source,,, then what? did you try to build something from it? |
| 03:58.34 | agike | nsadmin: no, it would not boot, just hung interminably with a moveable circular cursor |
| 03:59.06 | \amethyst | agike: when that happens, press ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:59.07 | wols | agike: you did not listen. answer the question he actually asked. he didn't ask if you boot. he asked if you COMPILED anything |
| 03:59.19 | \amethyst | agike: you should get a text terminal |
| 03:59.31 | agike | wols: negative - no compilation |
| 03:59.41 | wols | then there is no kernel you could have installed |
| 03:59.46 | nsadmin | maybe he ran out of disk space and something was corrupted beforehand |
| 03:59.49 | \amethyst | agike: at which you can login and run uname -a to verify that you are in fact still running under Linux |
| 03:59.50 | wols | so what DID you boot and where did it hang? |
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| 04:01.14 | \amethyst | agike: at that point you can also check /var/log/gdm/:0.log and see if you find any error messages |
| 04:01.16 | agike | wols: I chose debian kernel option, and where it had previously booted, now it hangs before gdm start |
| 04:01.59 | wols | what is the last thing on screen you see? |
| 04:02.32 | agike | wols: as described above, a moveable, circular, spinning cursor |
| 04:02.43 | agike | .. on a black background |
| 04:03.03 | r3m | nsadmin: thanks for gimp, really cool! |
| 04:03.23 | nsadmin | btw you can also look at... |
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| 04:03.27 | nsadmin | inkscape |
| 04:03.29 | \amethyst | so GDM is being started, and gets far enough to launch the X server, but isn't displaying the login prompt |
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| 04:03.35 | r3m | thanks i will look that |
| 04:03.41 | rsr | hi |
| 04:03.47 | agike | \amethyst: yep |
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| 04:04.05 | rsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.10 | \amethyst | agike: so as I suggested switch to a text console with ctrl-alt-f1, log in there, and check your log files |
| 04:04.14 | nsadmin | which I have almost zero experience with, but I -think- it's an object-oriented drawing prog |
| 04:04.50 | \amethyst | nsadmin: 'vector graphics' is the term you're looking for I think |
| 04:04.58 | \amethyst | poor man's Illustrator |
| 04:05.29 | nsadmin | well it's like macdraw and unlike macpaint, right? |
| 04:05.41 | agike | \amethyst: I think I tried that but it didn't work. I'll get back to you guys later. |
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| 04:06.48 | peterrooney | rsr: #debianppc ? |
| 04:06.53 | nsadmin | agike: from what I can see most of your system works fine... when you see that cursor, you might try ctrl-alt-F1 to see if you get a text-based terminal with a text login prompt |
| 04:06.53 | \amethyst | nsadmin: yes |
| 04:07.14 | rsr | peterrooney, im not using ppc though |
| 04:07.37 | agike | \cheers .. |
| 04:07.45 | rsr | although they might know |
| 04:07.56 | rsr | thanks for the tip |
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| 04:10.45 | \amethyst | # hm='a!b.c'; a[$hm]=foo; echo a[$hm] |
| 04:10.46 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:12.22 | nsadmin | \amethyst can I do things like piece together new object types by grouping existing objects together? |
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| 04:13.54 | \amethyst | nsadmin: yes, ctrl-g or Object->Group |
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| 04:15.14 | johnfg | wols: it was in the process of resolving dependencies. |
| 04:15.38 | johnfg | the open, closed, defer and conflict. |
| 04:15.43 | johnfg | That's really about it. |
| 04:15.56 | nsadmin | johnfg: take a look at your df output... any full? |
| 04:16.46 | \amethyst | nsadmin: I haven't used inkscape much recently (when I'm working on papers I usually use xfig despite the archaic user interface), but I used to use it to do maps for my D&D campaign |
| 04:17.19 | nsadmin | wow... xfig? what pulls you that way? |
| 04:17.23 | johnfg | You saw the rest that I did, right? |
| 04:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | masochism? |
| 04:18.02 | \amethyst | nsadmin: what CutMeOwnThroat said :) |
| 04:18.05 | johnfg | nope, nothing anywhere near full. |
| 04:18.15 | nsadmin | how bout the output of free |
| 04:18.42 | \amethyst | that and fig2dev; though I'm sure there are command-line tools to convert SVGs to eps and pdf, I know fig2dev |
| 04:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, or is it that you feel 1334 afterwards... you also using ed? |
| 04:19.10 | nsadmin | leea? |
| 04:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | typo! |
| 04:19.23 | johnfg | I've got 1gb memory, 896000+ used, only 8748 free. |
| 04:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I meant salad |
| 04:19.29 | \amethyst | it's like being leet, but missing three |
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| 04:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | leaf |
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| 04:20.18 | johnfg | Should I maybe do the upgrade in single user mode? Would that free up any memory, if you think that's what's wrong? |
| 04:20.19 | nsadmin | l34f? |
| 04:20.31 | johnfg | nsadmin: What do you think? |
| 04:20.43 | \amethyst | johnfg: second line of free |
| 04:21.00 | nsadmin | johnfg: how much swap, and if any how far are you into it |
| 04:21.13 | nsadmin | that does sound like a possible issue |
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| 04:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, 4943 probably |
| 04:21.48 | nsadmin | agae?? wut dat |
| 04:21.49 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | 101101001111, possibly |
| 04:22.23 | johnfg | Swap: total: 1542160; used 186672; free: 1355488 |
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| 04:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, pft... 134f in decimal, of course |
| 04:22.32 | \amethyst | also, xfig is a hell of a lot faster than inkscape |
| 04:22.40 | johnfg | How does that look? |
| 04:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for me |
| 04:22.43 | nsadmin | so you have plenty of swap |
| 04:24.04 | nsadmin | johnfg, what's using that much ram now? |
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| 04:24.39 | Rapsodius | hi! I want a fast pdf viewer |
| 04:24.43 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: you probably have one of them fancy fast computers. On my 2.2 GHz athlon 64, with 2GB of RAM, inkscape 0.47 takes well over 30 seconds to start |
| 04:24.54 | nsadmin | what's a fast pdf? |
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| 04:25.09 | wols | !tell Rapsodius about search |
| 04:25.13 | Rapsodius | nsadmin a fast pdf viewer |
| 04:25.21 | Rapsodius | duh |
| 04:25.30 | Rapsodius | I actually searched |
| 04:25.30 | nsadmin | so you need viewers to view fast pdfs?! |
| 04:25.37 | \amethyst | Rapsodius: evince, xpdf, gv ... |
| 04:25.43 | Rapsodius | xpdf is slooooow |
| 04:25.49 | Rapsodius | evince is more slow |
| 04:26.02 | Rapsodius | kpdf is the slowness in program form |
| 04:26.30 | Bop | epdfview |
| 04:26.32 | Rapsodius | okular too |
| 04:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, actually, that sounds to me as if something is horribly wrong with that machine.... are you doing heavy number crunching on it while writing gigabytes per minute to the disk? |
| 04:26.35 | Bop | for gtk |
| 04:26.37 | \amethyst | have you tried acroread? For the kind of PDFs I deal with, it's slower than all three put together :) |
| 04:27.01 | Rapsodius | Bop: if it's gtk, I will have it |
| 04:27.03 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, and that's on the second run so it shouldn't even have to go to disk |
| 04:27.15 | nsadmin | so xpdf is the fastest so far? |
| 04:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | all three put together?! oh, thanks, now how I will get THOSE pictures out of my mind again? |
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| 04:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, that's rather weird... |
| 04:27.59 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat view a pdf with it :) |
| 04:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what with |
| 04:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, Rapsodius didn't comment on inkscape, which imports pdf via pstoedit :) |
| 04:28.55 | Bop | that would be fast :-) |
| 04:29.09 | Rapsodius | so ? does it make it fast? |
| 04:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bop, ever tried it? |
| 04:29.18 | Bop | not really |
| 04:29.28 | johnfg | nsadmin: Nothing! I.e., I'm not running anything but the aptitude safe-upgrade. Since it started the upgrade, slapd doesn't start any more. |
| 04:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I won't disillusion you now |
| 04:29.50 | Bop | epdfview is fine for now |
| 04:29.59 | johnfg | You want me to do a ps <some flags>? |
| 04:30.02 | nsadmin | johnfg: wow... you should have a lot more free ram then |
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| 04:30.10 | Rapsodius | I don't know, xpdf is gtk1 but its still slow, |
| 04:30.11 | nsadmin | but that doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 04:30.22 | Rapsodius | but i'm checking epdfview |
| 04:30.31 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: aah |
| 04:30.42 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it's the excessive number of fonts I have installed |
| 04:30.48 | johnfg | kerneloops, apache, mysql, etc. |
| 04:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha! |
| 04:30.53 | johnfg | Should I kill any of them? |
| 04:31.05 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: whereas xfig just has the dozen or so :) |
| 04:31.16 | nsadmin | try stopping apache and mysql |
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| 04:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, was just going to say, I can't test it - because the remote machine which is an athlon 2000 ... well, because of ssh tunnel it takes 10 seconds already to open an xterm |
| 04:31.39 | \amethyst | I guess I could remove most of them :) |
| 04:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but inkscape was never THAT slow there |
| 04:31.47 | nsadmin | and before you proceed with your upgrade, take a word to the wise and backup your databases |
| 04:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, but good to know... I got a load of fonts on "my" current machine |
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| 04:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, i could try here, of course |
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| 04:32.41 | Rapsodius | bah! I guess epdfview would be perfect if it had continous view |
| 04:32.51 | Rapsodius | but its fast enough for me |
| 04:33.29 | Rapsodius | nsadmin: you' were right, this is for seeing fast pds, since they compile quite quicklÃy |
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| 04:34.18 | smacnay | seems that icedove 3.0 replaces the need for icedove-gnome-support? Is this correct? |
| 04:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, 15 seconds 1st loading 4 seconds 2nd loading (centrino... "pentium M" laptop, 500 MB ram, uh 800 Mhz throttled, really 1.73 GHz) |
| 04:35.48 | johnfg | ok, apache and mysql killed. It may be my afs that's hogging a lot of memory. |
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| 04:36.35 | Rapsodius | CMOT: inkscape is dependency-hungry, it pulls 43 deps only to install it |
| 04:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, actually, if you find a way to configure inkscape to only use a subset of your fonts, let me know how |
| 04:36.54 | factor | How do I get the java plugin to work with debian on iceweasel |
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| 04:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rapsodius, this wasn't a serious suggestion, actually... as inkscape will only see page one and the conversion is not fast |
| 04:37.32 | factor | I keep getting error, even thoguh I have sym linked the libnpjp2.so to the sun java one |
| 04:37.36 | Rapsodius | meh, it wants 143 mb of hdd space, i think epdfview is here to stay long |
| 04:37.44 | Rapsodius | hehe |
| 04:38.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpdf is the fastest i know |
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| 04:38.28 | Rapsodius | k, thx, bai |
| 04:38.38 | Rapsodius | actually epdfview is faster |
| 04:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I was shocked though, when mplayer wasn't the most efficient on arm |
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| 04:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that one of those crappy viewers, though, that can't search inside the document? |
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| 04:39.33 | Rapsodius | since xpdf uses gtk1 for the UI, but for the rendering uses libpoppler, the same that use okular and evince, so it's the rendering part where the bottleneck is |
| 04:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 04:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpdf predates libpoppler, doesn't it? |
| 04:40.36 | Rapsodius | epdf has a search function, fortunately |
| 04:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no continuous view, though |
| 04:41.21 | \amethyst | err, isn't epdfview based on poppler, too? |
| 04:41.31 | Jenna | hiyall, I needed to make few bash/dialog based console frontend for one of my remastered version of distribution based on lenny, anyone knows where I can get an headstart example etc .. e.g. changing ip address, editing conf file etc. |
| 04:41.43 | \amethyst | "too" as in "like evince" |
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| 04:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's the placebo effect :) |
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| 04:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpdf-reader and xpdf-common don't depend on libpoppler |
| 04:43.45 | t0lkman52429 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.45 | t0lkman52429 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.02 | t0lkman52429 | what's wrong? can't install new xrdp with win7 support |
| 04:44.03 | wols | t0lkman52429: #ubuntu |
| 04:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, thank you for sharing this bit of ubuntu wisdom |
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| 04:44.20 | t0lkman52429 | wols there too |
| 04:44.28 | wols | !they don't know |
| 04:44.28 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:44.33 | Xenguy | stabs W7... |
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| 04:44.48 | wols | t0lkman52429: we don't support ubuntu. we only support debian. now please ask #ubuntu about your problems |
| 04:45.29 | t0lkman52429 | ok I'll ask general question, how to install deb package using dpkg with ignoring dependeces? |
| 04:45.53 | wols | t0lkman52429: since you're a slow learner: we do not support ubuntu. now go away! |
| 04:46.20 | t0lkman52429 | wols who asking ubuntu support here? |
| 04:46.27 | t0lkman52429 | dpkg debian comand, moron |
| 04:46.27 | dpkg | t0lkman52429: wish i knew |
| 04:46.29 | wols | you do, you moron |
| 04:46.55 | t0lkman52429 | where did you see I did? |
| 04:47.05 | factor | Anyone know how to get java plugin to work in iceweasel? |
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| 04:47.09 | wols | falls frm the chair laughing |
| 04:47.20 | wols | !tell factor about install java |
| 04:47.36 | liable | carefull you dont break a hip! |
| 04:48.02 | nsadmin | t0lkman52429 dpkg --help |
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| 04:48.06 | wols | no worries. I'll fall on you and all that blubber will keep my hip safe |
| 04:48.17 | t0lkman52429 | nsadmin man dpkg |
| 04:48.41 | factor | wp;s:that way no workie |
| 04:48.47 | nsadmin | you're the one that's asking about dpkg usage |
| 04:48.47 | factor | wols^ |
| 04:48.52 | wols | 1tell factor about doesn't work |
| 04:49.01 | wols | !tell factor about doesn't work |
| 04:49.42 | factor | Do I have to install firefox to get it to work |
| 04:49.48 | nsadmin | t0lkman52429 aside from which, have you ever seen the output of dpkg --help? |
| 04:50.01 | wols | nsadmin: you ever heard of #ubuntu? |
| 04:50.06 | factor | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ |
| 04:50.16 | factor | java no owrking and I have the plugin installed |
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| 04:50.32 | t0lkman52429 | nsadmin yeah sure, --ignore-depends wants some package name that's i can't find because substituting "libssl" doesn't work |
| 04:50.47 | factor | all these pluign are in but this page does not find them nor does it work when I actualy try to use them |
| 04:50.49 | t0lkman52429 | wols just sit quite in the corner with #ubuntu |
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| 04:51.46 | nsadmin | if you're not running debian, asking us isn't going to help you for a coupla reasons |
| 04:52.24 | nsadmin | so other than the annoyance factor, ubuntu is different enough to -not- be based on debian |
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| 04:52.53 | factor | I dont use ubuntu why does this matter |
| 04:52.54 | t0lkman52429 | eugeny@hevra:~$ uname -a |
| 04:52.54 | t0lkman52429 | Linux hevra 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 00:59:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:52.54 | t0lkman52429 | eugeny@hevra:~$ cat /etc/issue |
| 04:52.55 | t0lkman52429 | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
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| 04:53.15 | t0lkman52429 | cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 04:53.23 | t0lkman52429 | i think it's enough for you nsadmin |
| 04:53.23 | factor | I use testing |
| 04:53.54 | nsadmin | then you must be mixing debian and ubuntu packages |
| 04:54.09 | factor | I apt got the package |
| 04:54.32 | t0lkman52429 | I know, I can't find xrdp0.5.0 for debian... |
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| 04:54.37 | factor | sun is in the repo now |
| 04:54.44 | factor | sun java that is |
| 04:54.59 | nsadmin | t0lkman52429: get the source and try to build a package from it on your installation |
| 04:55.00 | factor | or the company previously know as sun |
| 04:55.24 | tensorpudding | factor: Did you install the plugin package? |
| 04:55.27 | nsadmin | what are they called now |
| 04:55.30 | factor | yes |
| 04:55.36 | \amethyst | t0lkman52429: squeeze has 0.5.0~20100303cvs-2 |
| 04:55.49 | wols | ,versions xrdp |
| 04:55.51 | judd | xrdp -- lenny: 0.4.0~dfsg-9; squeeze: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-2; sid: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-3 |
| 04:55.51 | tensorpudding | sun-java6-plugin, that is |
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| 04:56.22 | tensorpudding | factor: can you find it in about:plugins on your browser? |
| 04:56.27 | factor | sun-java6-plugin is already the newest version. |
| 04:56.28 | factor | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 172 not upgraded. |
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| 04:57.02 | nsadmin | factor: did you turn on java in your browser prefs and restart it |
| 04:57.03 | factor | Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16 |
| 04:57.08 | \amethyst | t0lkman52429: upgrading to squeeze (testing), though not necessarily recommended, is likely to give you a more stable system than mixing lenny and ubuntu, or lenny and squeeze, packages |
| 04:57.11 | factor | yes |
| 04:57.32 | factor | everything says enabled |
| 04:57.48 | nsadmin | so what are you seeing that suggests it's not |
| 04:58.05 | \amethyst | factor: what is the file name for the Java plugin in about:plugins ? |
| 04:58.10 | jhamlin_ | is it true that aptitude is better at resolving dependencies that synaptic? |
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| 04:58.38 | nsadmin | it's better than apt-get... I don't use synaptic |
| 04:58.42 | tensorpudding | I've never heard of synaptic having a problem with resolving dependencies. |
| 04:58.55 | factor | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ |
| 04:59.05 | factor | says it cant find java |
| 04:59.37 | factor | Unable to Detect Plugin Version |
| 04:59.53 | factor | and I have some applets that are not working on my local machine |
| 05:00.10 | factor | http://javatester.org/version.html |
| 05:00.12 | \amethyst | factor: is it libnpjp2.so or libjavaplugin_oji.so ? |
| 05:00.14 | factor | that also does not work |
| 05:00.18 | factor | A |
| 05:00.22 | factor | jp2 |
| 05:01.58 | factor | I have not install firefox yet though |
| 05:02.03 | factor | will do that next |
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| 05:03.32 | \amethyst | factor: if you're using 32-bit Debian you might try update-alternatives --config iceweasen-javaplugin.so and selecting libjavaplugin_oji.so (the old Java plugin); that has sometimes given me better results that libnpjp2.so (the new one) |
| 05:04.18 | \amethyst | factor: OTOH, it might not fix anything |
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| 05:08.01 | factor | that is for older java |
| 05:08.13 | factor | I will try to download the package from sun |
| 05:10.48 | tensorpudding | Hmm, I just tried using my java plugin (same version) and it seems to be crashing on every java applet I try to load. |
| 05:10.55 | factor | yup |
| 05:11.08 | tensorpudding | I tried it using Chrome and Epiphany. |
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| 05:12.18 | tensorpudding | The Java Console doesn't give an error message either. |
| 05:12.18 | factor | same here for konq |
| 05:12.44 | \amethyst | factor: aha |
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| 05:12.52 | factor | and firefox |
| 05:12.54 | \amethyst | factor: the problem is the bindv6only thing |
| 05:13.12 | tensorpudding | Wait, does it not work in amd64? |
| 05:13.28 | factor | so how do I set java ipv6 in the borwser |
| 05:13.40 | tensorpudding | Nevermind, that is a three-year-old bug report. |
| 05:13.46 | factor | or java ipv4 in browser |
| 05:13.54 | \amethyst | factor: do sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only=0 |
| 05:14.01 | \amethyst | factor: then see if it works |
| 05:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tensor you're never heard of synaptic having a problem with resolving dependencies, because nobody uses it :-P |
| 05:14.09 | \amethyst | factor: (do that as root, that is) |
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| 05:14.20 | tensorpudding | I know many people who use it. |
| 05:14.28 | tensorpudding | They use it in Ubuntu though. |
| 05:15.04 | factor | nope |
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| 05:15.35 | factor | will restart firefox |
| 05:15.44 | \amethyst | factor: hm |
| 05:15.53 | tensorpudding | Oh hey, that worked. |
| 05:15.59 | tensorpudding | the sysctl trick. |
| 05:16.04 | factor | even restarted nope |
| 05:16.37 | adb | factor, which firefox? |
| 05:17.00 | factor | ahh yes now it worked |
| 05:17.12 | factor | must have been a refresh issue |
| 05:17.18 | factor | clicked refresh and it went fine |
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| 05:17.42 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, I see I didn't actually log off here. hmph. Well, Dad is concerned clients won't be pleased with forms that are not filled out using the form tools... so I managed to scavenge an acrobat 6 pro from the closet. wine failed, hopefully virtualbox will work better :P |
| 05:17.45 | \amethyst | factor: to set this permanently, edit /etc/sysctl.conf and add a line net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
| 05:17.52 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: ^^^ |
| 05:17.53 | factor | yup will do |
| 05:18.08 | factor | I have had to use it for filemax as well |
| 05:18.31 | \amethyst | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560044 is the relevant bug; also 561693 |
| 05:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, duh, what's that their business? It's pdf, it's filled, it prints, it... |
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| 05:18.55 | \amethyst | factor: oh, wait |
| 05:19.06 | \amethyst | factor: that might not be the right place, checking |
| 05:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, did you get a reduced loading time, btw? |
| 05:19.24 | factor | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ |
| 05:19.33 | factor | this site still does not find java though |
| 05:19.35 | factor | strange |
| 05:19.39 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: I haven't tried uninstalling my 1500+ fonts yet :) |
| 05:19.41 | factor | but the javatester site does |
| 05:19.49 | factor | http://javatester.org/version.html |
| 05:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, where are all those from? |
| 05:20.09 | \amethyst | factor: it says "Unable to detect plugin version" for me |
| 05:20.16 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: debian packages |
| 05:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, try refreshing the page |
| 05:20.32 | \amethyst | factor: but the plugin is listed |
| 05:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, i thought I had all packages that have fonts... |
| 05:20.38 | wols | now I understand why debian needs 5 DVDs. all those fonts |
| 05:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 05:20.47 | tensorpudding | Hmm, the icedtea plugin has fixed the bug |
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| 05:20.50 | factor | ok |
| 05:21.12 | factor | awesome my apps work now that is what counts |
| 05:21.14 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: including non-latin ones? |
| 05:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, yeah, all the programs are actually on the netinst image |
| 05:21.15 | tensorpudding | No bets on whether Sun will fix it |
| 05:21.16 | factor | thanks |
| 05:21.30 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, ah... no, i skipped the (for me) really obscure ones |
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| 05:22.38 | \amethyst | does anyone know, if something is set in both sysctl.conf and in sysctl.d/foo, which takes precedence? |
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| 05:22.43 | \amethyst | factor: I was wrong about where to set it permanently |
| 05:23.08 | \amethyst | factor: it's /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 05:23.17 | factor | humm |
| 05:23.19 | \amethyst | factor: that one will override the setting from /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:23.26 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: ^^^ |
| 05:23.28 | factor | was not aware of that one |
| 05:23.34 | factor | ok |
| 05:23.37 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: but if they try to edit it using acrobat, it won't work, and that's a problem |
| 05:23.47 | factor | does debian have a nice sysctl gui prog. |
| 05:23.48 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: it should be set permanently in /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf instead of sysctl.conf |
| 05:23.54 | tensorpudding | Why? |
| 05:23.54 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: lame, I know. But the whole situation is lame. |
| 05:23.57 | \amethyst | factor: gedit ? :) |
| 05:24.02 | tensorpudding | Will it get clobbered in updates if you put it in the main file? |
| 05:24.15 | Vasistha | huh, where is the wine channel |
| 05:24.21 | factor | qwell was wanting to know about a gui , so it would show all the options |
| 05:24.47 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: no (you'll be prompted as with any changed conffile) |
| 05:24.48 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: but |
| 05:24.55 | Vasistha | ahh, #winehq |
| 05:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, people have wondered that since the ancient history... |
| 05:24.56 | factor | nice I see the value was set to 1 |
| 05:24.59 | factor | changed it to 0 |
| 05:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | although they called it a river of wine |
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| 05:25.17 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: when the sysctl settings get loaded on boot, the stuff in /etc/sysctl.d gets loaded after /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:25.47 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: so if you set it in sysctl.conf it will immediately be overridden by the other file |
| 05:26.08 | factor | I set it in sysctl.d |
| 05:26.27 | tensorpudding | I don't have any files in /etc/sysctl.d/ to be loaded though |
| 05:26.39 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: oh? hm... |
| 05:26.42 | tensorpudding | Though I guess it's better to keep the main file uncluttered. |
| 05:26.58 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: I wonder why it would have been set to 1 then... |
| 05:27.19 | tensorpudding | Don't know. |
| 05:27.48 | tensorpudding | The bug report suggests it will be made default in squeeze but I'm running lenny. |
| 05:29.20 | \amethyst | tensorpudding: yeah, and I thought the kernel's default was 0, but maybe I'm wrong about that |
| 05:29.34 | \amethyst | anyway, once sun fixes their plugin you can undo the change |
| 05:29.37 | tensorpudding | It doesn't much matter, so long as you have it explicit. |
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| 05:29.43 | tensorpudding | Heh. |
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| 05:31.51 | cmatheson | i'm trying to use libvirt to create a new vm using an existing disk image. the manpages make me think there is no way to do this. can someone tell me otherwise? |
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| 05:33.21 | \amethyst | factor: tensorpudding: it might be worthwhile to track bug 560238 as well |
| 05:33.33 | \amethyst | there are all kinds of bug reports originating from the change |
| 05:33.44 | factor | looking |
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| 05:34.43 | \amethyst | factor: it's the top-level "we can't release squeeze until these programs are fixed" bug |
| 05:35.13 | \amethyst | the gdm chooser is apparently another one |
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| 05:38.28 | factor | nifty move not to release , it was a pain |
| 05:38.41 | factor | had been adding a java_opt for setting it |
| 05:38.44 | Mish- | I have a server booting that is performing a fsck as it's been over 200 days, is there any way to cancel this and mount the file system normally? |
| 05:38.56 | factor | but that sysctrl will do the whole job |
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| 05:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, that shounded as if squeeze was already frozen |
| 05:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you made me think I missed it for a moment there |
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| 05:52.59 | adb | sounded* ? |
| 05:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yesh |
| 05:53.14 | rgr_ | Mish-: I dont think there is a safe way. It sucks if the drive is large alright. I know there was a lot of talk about allowing it, but I'm not 100% sure of progress. Normally breaking it results in readonly mount. |
| 05:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg! |
| 05:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | debhelper! |
| 05:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes |
| 05:55.10 | Agiofws | hello |
| 05:55.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I'll go to bed. nite |
| 05:55.33 | Agiofws | what file do i use to color my ROOT bash prompt ? |
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| 05:55.53 | soya | when i update debian from lenny to squeeze, i cannot send/get email while using evolution ,how can i do ? |
| 05:55.56 | Agiofws | .bashrc ? |
| 05:55.58 | Agiofws | in # ? |
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| 05:57.32 | Vasistha | Agiofws: yeah, .bashrc is good |
| 05:57.57 | Agiofws | export PS1='\e[1;31m\h:\w\$ ' ? |
| 05:59.52 | \amethyst | put \[ \] around that escape sequence |
| 06:00.02 | \amethyst | or you will have line-wrapping problems |
| 06:00.43 | \amethyst | and, really, there's no need to export it |
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| 06:01.09 | \amethyst | PS1='\[\e[1;31m\]\h:\w\$ ' |
| 06:01.48 | lxsameer | hi how can i run a port forwarding on my linux box ? something like proxy |
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| 06:02.57 | tensorpudding | You can tunnel through SSH. |
| 06:03.15 | dekatch | wow hello #debian! is there a database editor out ? search one |
| 06:03.17 | Vasistha | I used readom -clone. I now have a .toc file and a data file with no extension. I would like to do a loopback mount, but the data file is apparently not an iso. How do I create an iso from what I have/ |
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| 06:05.19 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 06:05.36 | lxsameer | tensorpudding: but other clients are not linux , and also i see some iptable command for that but i can't use it |
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| 06:06.30 | laurus | What's the best free software flash player? |
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| 06:07.18 | nsadmin | lxsameer be specific about one thing you want to do now. also show your network using dia or inkscape or maybe gimp |
| 06:07.25 | tensorpudding | There are SSH clients on Windows that can do it. |
| 06:07.53 | nsadmin | or maybe xfig... which has unusual user interface |
| 06:08.05 | dekatch | no one knows a simple database editor ? searched all over google and no luck :/ |
| 06:08.25 | nsadmin | dekatch: I use kwrite |
| 06:08.34 | nsadmin | or emacs, or nano |
| 06:08.35 | dekatch | not for kde or gnome |
| 06:08.46 | dekatch | nano shows me only some crazy stuff |
| 06:08.56 | nsadmin | what database |
| 06:08.58 | dekatch | i search for ssh |
| 06:09.05 | dekatch | sql, mysql or slqlite |
| 06:09.11 | lxsameer | tensorpudding: i know but i want iptable port forwarding |
| 06:09.19 | nsadmin | put the sql code in text file |
| 06:09.30 | laurus | dekatch, sqlite3? |
| 06:09.35 | nsadmin | use one of the editors or a different one |
| 06:09.39 | dekatch | copy it to .txt? |
| 06:09.43 | tensorpudding | I'm not sure what you mean, I don't know much about iptables. |
| 06:10.05 | nsadmin | comment your code so you understand it in 6 months ^W minutes |
| 06:10.15 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i have switch that everything is connected to it and ADSL router too , but i want my linux box to be gateway not ADSL router |
| 06:10.29 | laurus | Does anyone here use a flash player other than flashplayer-nonfree ? |
| 06:10.40 | wols | laurus: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 06:11.00 | wols | !tell laurus about anyone |
| 06:11.00 | laurus | wols, how is that related? |
| 06:11.15 | nsadmin | unfortunately ipmasq is removed from testing cause the guy thinks there's already other stuff |
| 06:11.17 | tensorpudding | Think it was meant for lxsameer |
| 06:11.17 | wols | laurus: first line was for lxsameer, sorry |
| 06:11.26 | laurus | Hehe ok :) |
| 06:11.29 | nsadmin | but as far as I'm concerned ipmasq is the best |
| 06:11.36 | wols | nsadmin: agreed. he's a fool, but lxsameer runs lenny. right? right? |
| 06:11.58 | nsadmin | someone needs to take it over |
| 06:12.18 | lxsameer | wols: who is a fool? no testing |
| 06:12.20 | nsadmin | people who want to use it need to get its source while it's still available |
| 06:12.25 | dekatch | how to put the sql code in a txt? Ãò |
| 06:12.28 | dekatch | crap :P |
| 06:12.36 | wols | lxsameer: you for running testing, and the maintainer of ipmasq for thinking there are alternatives |
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| 06:12.52 | nsadmin | dekatch, with text editor |
| 06:13.02 | dekatch | lol, i cant copy it over |
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| 06:13.11 | dekatch | to much |
| 06:13.12 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 06:13.27 | nsadmin | you separate the data model out |
| 06:13.31 | dekatch | cp file file.txt didnt worked |
| 06:13.38 | nsadmin | into functional chunks |
| 06:13.50 | lxsameer | wols: i'm happy with my testing and not sure about that maintainer , but if you don't want to help there is no need to call other people fool |
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| 06:13.51 | dekatch | open the file and copy to a txt file ? |
| 06:14.20 | dekatch | dam, its just a ts3 server, going to reinstall :P |
| 06:14.44 | wols | dekatch: are you under the delusion you run windows? |
| 06:14.52 | nsadmin | lxsameer: we think that guy is a fool for abandoning it |
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| 06:15.07 | nsadmin | certainly he's not in service |
| 06:15.25 | lxsameer | nsadmin: anyway |
| 06:15.41 | wols | nsadmin: abandoning is fine. it'S his time and his donated work. not for us to tell him to continue. his thinking there is an alternative is foolish however |
| 06:15.51 | nsadmin | so try building ipmasq pkg from source |
| 06:15.59 | dekatch | wols: ? i run a ts3 server in debian! and i did a mistake and edited my virtual voice server to some unsupported values! #ts3 said to me edit the sql file to the supported values but i dont get it |
| 06:16.10 | dekatch | on debian* |
| 06:16.11 | dekatch | omg |
| 06:16.14 | wols | nsadmin: ipmasq is a bunch of scripts... hard to "build" anything. just get it from lenny |
| 06:16.26 | nsadmin | well it has deps |
| 06:16.55 | nsadmin | might as well build the package to ensure it safely installs and doesn't cause pkg db hozing down the road |
| 06:17.09 | wols | ,depends ipmasq lenny |
| 06:17.10 | judd | ipmasq -- depends: iptables (>= 1.2.1-1) | ipchains | ipfwadm. |
| 06:17.16 | wols | yeah, really hard to satisfy :P |
| 06:17.44 | nsadmin | ok so try installing that |
| 06:18.07 | wols | first he needs to set his adsl to bridged mode |
| 06:18.33 | nsadmin | well he doesn't strictly have to do that, but he might get better perf if he does |
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| 06:18.47 | wols | double nat is another foolish thing to do :) |
| 06:19.18 | nsadmin | yeah yea, another dr seuss tale |
| 06:19.24 | nsadmin | the nat in the nat comes back |
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| 06:20.46 | nsadmin | he could protect his gw by doing so tho |
| 06:21.33 | nsadmin | but come to think of it, the original thing he wants to do suggests he should put it in bridge mode like you say |
| 06:21.36 | wols | the only reason I can see for double nat is a VM which often uses NAT to connect to the internet, e.g. bvox |
| 06:22.24 | nsadmin | so the inner nat would be established in the host os for the service of the guests on the same machine |
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| 06:23.20 | nsadmin | the only thing he has to worry about is upgrades |
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| 06:23.51 | billy | how do I find out a device's uuid? |
| 06:23.51 | nsadmin | lxsameer, so what exactly are you goign to do |
| 06:24.13 | nsadmin | billy: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 06:25.24 | lxsameer | nsadmin: one switch, 4 windows box , 1 linux box , everything connect to a switch . i want my linux box to be gateway for 4 windows box |
| 06:25.59 | nsadmin | you going to try ipmasq? |
| 06:26.18 | nsadmin | linux box has two nics? |
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| 06:26.47 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i'm on testing , i read some thing about iptable nat table |
| 06:27.01 | lxsameer | nsadmin: no just one |
| 06:27.04 | nsadmin | you don't need to touch iptables rules |
| 06:27.20 | nsadmin | you will need a second nic in the linux box |
| 06:27.59 | lxsameer | ok , i see what can i do |
| 06:28.13 | billy | Thanks, nsadmin. |
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| 06:31.33 | chut | can someone help me fix this issue on 64 bit: Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 06:31.37 | chut | what is wrong |
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| 06:33.26 | nsadmin | chut: what's wrong is what's shown in the message: wrong ELF class |
| 06:33.34 | chut | yeah |
| 06:33.37 | chut | how do i fix this |
| 06:33.57 | nsadmin | no idea because you don't show how you got it |
| 06:34.27 | chut | i got this when i try to open firefox |
| 06:34.46 | nsadmin | how did you get firefox? |
| 06:35.16 | chut | apt-get |
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| 06:35.29 | Mish- | Has anyone ever seen the root user essentially be invisible to the system about 30 seconds after a reboot? The server was hacked and I can login for the first 30 seconds, but not after that and after that user 0/root isn't valid. Any ideas? |
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| 06:35.32 | chut | i think this is one of the ia32-libs problem? |
| 06:35.48 | nsadmin | show exact apt-get line |
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| 06:38.38 | nsadmin | why is 32 bit anything involved here? firefox which is renamed to iceweasel in debian is available for 64 bits... |
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| 06:50.48 | jnz_ | hi |
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| 06:52.27 | jhamlin_ | when I maximize a window in fluxbox it always leaves a little gap between the window and the bottom and right of the screen. How can I fix this? |
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| 06:55.24 | nsadmin | jhamlin_ first find out why it does that, then see if there is a parameter you can set in fluxbox to adjust that |
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| 06:57.24 | jhamlin_ | nsadmin: yah that's what i've been trying to do for like 2 hours... |
| 06:59.03 | nsadmin | what if anything have you learned so far |
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| 07:00.40 | lxsameer_ | how can i make a repo in sources.list with high priority |
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| 07:01.35 | nsadmin | when I run "ffmpeg -i somefile.flv", one of the things it says is: "Video: vp6f, yuv420p". what does that indicate? |
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| 07:02.00 | jhamlin_ | nsadmin: that one other person has had the problem and I can't find anyone that has fixed it |
| 07:02.28 | wols | it indicates the codec used, the colorspace and the resolution |
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| 07:04.38 | nsadmin | wols: thanks... I found the audio is mp3 already, so I guess I would "copy" that... what codec would I use to get it into an mpeg4, or alternatively an avi, as cleanly and lossless as possible? |
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| 07:05.49 | nsadmin | jhamlin_, was this one report in the bts? |
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| 07:06.42 | wols | I don't know about that. my choice would be mpeg4. mpeg4 is a codec, avi is a container. different things |
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| 07:07.36 | wols | well, mpeg4 is a standard which defines, containers, codecs, etc. |
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| 07:07.54 | beaver3 | new search engine www.search2.net |
| 07:08.39 | nsadmin | spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam |
| 07:08.40 | peterrooney | ops: beaver3 spam |
| 07:08.49 | jelly-home | chips |
| 07:08.54 | wols | !ops please remove beaver3 for spamming |
| 07:09.17 | peterrooney | wols, thanks. can never remember syntax |
| 07:09.17 | wols | damn, someone killed dpkg again. this murdering is getting out of hand |
| 07:09.23 | jelly-home | dpkg: poke |
| 07:09.23 | nsadmin | spam, chip, chip, coke, coke, coke, cheebuga, spam, spam and spam! |
| 07:09.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.46 | jelly-home | %test |
| 07:09.46 | zobel | nsadmin: stop it! |
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| 07:09.48 | ravenbird | Yes, jelly-home, you're still online. |
| 07:10.02 | nsadmin | zobel, getting hungry? |
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| 07:10.33 | wols | nsadmin: yes. and if you don't stop, we eat YOU |
| 07:10.40 | zobel | nsadmin: yes |
| 07:10.44 | peterrooney | !ops spam from beaver3 |
| 07:10.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: peterrooney complains about: spam from beaver3 |
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| 07:11.24 | jhamlin_ | nsadmin: it's here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/fluxbox-maximized-windows-leave-gap-545708/ |
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| 07:11.53 | Reedy | Hey, does anyone know where theres a deb for testing thats say php 5.2 rather than the 5.1 in the testing repos? Thanks |
| 07:12.09 | nsadmin | , varsions php |
| 07:12.10 | Reedy | *5.3.2 rather than 5.3.1 |
| 07:12.11 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 07:12.12 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1 |
| 07:12.32 | wols | Reedy: there is no 5.2 nor a 5.1 version in testing |
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| 07:12.41 | Reedy | I just corrected myself |
| 07:12.57 | zobel | stop it! |
| 07:13.06 | nsadmin | stop what? |
| 07:13.19 | nsadmin | please be specific or we won't know what to do. |
| 07:13.20 | zobel | ah, bad client. lagging. |
| 07:13.29 | zobel | i wanted to removed beaver3 |
| 07:13.30 | wols | Reedy: why do you need 5.3.1 exactly? |
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| 07:14.09 | wols | zobel: your hostmask is evil. EVIL |
| 07:14.19 | Reedy | I don't need 5.3.1, i need 5.3.2. Someone wants a web server upgrading to testing for some other newer packages, but 5.3.1 has some issues with mediawiki, so i need a newer version |
| 07:14.40 | wols | !tell Reedy about ssb |
| 07:14.56 | zobel | wols: is it? |
| 07:15.45 | Reedy | Cheers |
| 07:15.51 | Reedy | Will have a poke and see how far i get |
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| 07:16.33 | wols | Reedy: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php5 |
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| 07:17.13 | wols | so it _should_ work unless you run mipsel of course :) |
| 07:17.23 | Reedy | "it" being building from source? |
| 07:17.33 | Reedy | And i'm not running mipsel ;) |
| 07:17.49 | wols | "it" being "making a backport" |
| 07:17.58 | Reedy | Righto, thanks |
| 07:21.01 | nsadmin | and if you possess lotsa minds, you can get even more degrees! |
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| 07:22.49 | mrw_ | Hi there |
| 07:22.58 | mrw_ | Got a problem with dh_install for library: Why is there usr/lib/pkgconfig/* and also usr/share/pkgconfig/* ?!? |
| 07:23.37 | mrw_ | If I place my *.pc file in one place, dh_install aborts because the other one is empty ... |
| 07:24.25 | Vasistha | crap. After installing packages in aptitude front-end, it says "press return to continue." Now I pressed return. Is there a way to see that log screen again? |
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| 07:25.15 | zobel | Vasistha: press q |
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| 07:31.03 | Vasistha | zobel: thanks. |
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| 07:32.59 | FunctorSalad_ | btw what happened to the "debian" menu hierarchy in the kde application menu? are the debian menu hierarchy and the kde one now merged? |
| 07:33.39 | Vasistha | I hope so, that debian menu was pretty lame |
| 07:34.11 | FunctorSalad_ | hmm my current one (pretty much defaults) is pretty lame too ;) |
| 07:34.59 | FunctorSalad_ | (subcategories are too large) |
| 07:35.09 | FunctorSalad_ | err, not subcategories |
| 07:35.11 | FunctorSalad_ | the toplevel ones |
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| 07:35.36 | FunctorSalad_ | "Utilities" must have about 100 entries |
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| 07:36.42 | FunctorSalad_ | (I just enter the command for things I know; as I see it the menu should be to discover stuff) |
| 07:36.54 | lolufail | hi! |
| 07:37.07 | lolufail | how do I get rid of those fucking dotdeb packages? |
| 07:37.35 | lolufail | or: how to downgrade? removing would kick too much stuff |
| 07:37.37 | FunctorSalad_ | </pointless rambling> |
| 07:37.47 | lolufail | or: how to ignore broken packages while removing stuff |
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| 07:38.26 | FunctorSalad_ | not sure what the problem is? nudging the resolver towards downgrading? |
| 07:38.33 | FunctorSalad_ | aptitude -t stable ? |
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| 07:39.40 | rootmos | how do i export with nfs v3? from an ubuntu 9.10 i can not mount the exported fs without using nfs v2 i want v3 on my debian server. |
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| 07:41.39 | Vasistha | lolufail: maybe dpkg -P package.deb |
| 07:42.01 | Vasistha | lolufail: maybe you don't need the .deb but rather the name of the installed package, actually |
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| 07:43.34 | FunctorSalad_ | I don't get it... why would you have to delete .deb files? except for the apt cache |
| 07:44.18 | FunctorSalad_ | (I presumed "dotdeb" is some new framework ;)) |
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| 07:46.18 | jelly-home | lolufail: carefully edit their /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{prerm,postrm} scripts to make them not fail on removal |
| 07:46.44 | lolufail | jelly-home: O_o that is the solution ;)? |
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| 07:47.09 | jelly-home | !dotdeb |
| 07:47.09 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 07:47.54 | jelly-home | that factoid may be in need of updating as well |
| 07:47.58 | lolufail | yeah i know, I'm doing that, but I dont want apt to remove phpmyadmin and typo3 |
| 07:48.10 | jelly-home | lolufail: use dpkg to remove them. |
| 07:48.11 | wols | lolufail: dpkg --force-help |
| 07:48.14 | wols | have fun |
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| 07:48.42 | jelly-home | lolufail: after you clean that up, use apt/aptitude to bring in dependencies from the distro |
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| 07:49.13 | tlarson | how do you tell apt-get to upgrade only specific packages? (e.g. *git*) |
| 07:49.32 | ssm | tlarson: "apt-get install git-core", for instance. |
| 07:49.34 | Vasistha | tlarson: the easiest way is to always use aptitude and the front-end |
| 07:49.46 | wols | tlarson: apt-get install git |
| 07:49.49 | jelly-home | eww, aptitude ui |
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| 07:50.11 | jelly-home | reminds me too much of dselect |
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| 07:50.24 | FunctorSalad_ | don't know about apt-get, but aptitude generally admits regexes in the search strings |
| 07:50.38 | ssm | jelly-home: ooo, dselect :) |
| 07:50.41 | vsmatck | has nightmares of dselect. |
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| 07:50.55 | FunctorSalad_ | (but as others implied, the surrounding-by-stars is implicit) |
| 07:51.56 | tlarson | FunctorSalad_: can you give an example of what command to run? "aptitude upgrade '*prelude*' " isn't it... |
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| 07:52.29 | Reedy | <wols> tlarson: apt-get install git |
| 07:52.34 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: "aptitude", hit "l", enter "prelude", select toplevel group, hit Ctrl-U |
| 07:52.35 | FunctorSalad_ | ;) |
| 07:52.41 | jelly-home | Reedy: that's too easy! |
| 07:52.42 | BbT0n | hihi all, have you got a proxy for me ? I'm in classroom, i can't go in the web ;) thx community |
| 07:52.50 | tlarson | Reedy: ok, but git is a special case because it has a meta-package |
| 07:53.03 | jelly-home | tlarson: or, with aptitude: aptitude install git-core |
| 07:53.03 | FunctorSalad_ | err wait, Ctrl-U is undo |
| 07:53.06 | FunctorSalad_ | Ctrl-+ |
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| 07:53.20 | Vasistha | BbT0n: wrong channel. |
| 07:53.27 | streuner_ | BbT0n: get iX of march, there is a nice article about :-) |
| 07:53.33 | d3x | tlarson, aptitude install git-core should do it |
| 07:53.34 | tlarson | jelly-home: ok, but what about all the packages that match a certain pattern. I'm looking for a general solution, not a solution for git. |
| 07:53.47 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: but I think that will only work if the thing you want to upgrade to is in your target release |
| 07:53.58 | FunctorSalad_ | (thing=version) |
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| 07:54.22 | FunctorSalad_ | that is, it won't upgrade from a testing to an unstable version if your target release is testing |
| 07:54.42 | d3x | -t unstable and everythings is OK again |
| 07:54.48 | FunctorSalad_ | yes |
| 07:54.55 | streuner_ | BbT0n: wait, you are saying, you cannot go into web at all _or_ you only have limited access via proxy? |
| 07:54.56 | FunctorSalad_ | or experimental-snapshots for kde ;) |
| 07:55.07 | d3x | true that :) |
| 07:55.50 | FunctorSalad_ | (with the qt-kde4 repo... kinda a secret easteregg, that repo) |
| 07:55.56 | d3x | btw, how are kde4.4 plans to get into experimental/unstable going? |
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| 07:56.13 | tlarson | OK, i'm getting a bunch of work-around answers. Let me give you the context: I have a very old server with several hundred packages "kept back" from being upgrade. I don't want to upgrade all of them; i'd like to only upgrade a few specific ones and their dependances. There are several dozen that I need to upgrade, and most of them match a pattern *xyz*. |
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| 07:57.17 | jelly-home | tlarson: what matches a pattern, package name? their version? common source package? |
| 07:57.17 | tlarson | Apt has been around for a while, i'm sure SOMEONE has thought of this problem before me... |
| 07:57.22 | FunctorSalad_ | (btw I was talking about the ncurses UI for aptitude) |
| 07:57.31 | tlarson | jelly-home: the name of the package. |
| 07:57.41 | jelly-home | tlarson: you want to read aptitude manual, search patterns. |
| 07:57.50 | tlarson | jelly-home: every package with the word "perl" in it, or something. |
| 07:57.52 | FunctorSalad_ | for some reason it feels better than all the graphical-widget ones |
| 07:58.23 | BbT0n | streuner_, thx for you answer, my can connect to SSH or another protocol, but the web is out.... and i don't know for what .... |
| 07:58.25 | tlarson | FunctorSalad_: we're talking about a server. X isn't an option. |
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| 07:58.42 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: what I suggested about limiting the package list ("l" key) seems like a pretty specific solution, not a workaround :) |
| 07:59.31 | jelly-home | tlarson: eg. aptitude install '?installed ?name(.*perl.*)' |
| 07:59.47 | FunctorSalad_ | (I mean, ncurses UI is nicer than command line for dealing with the conflicts) |
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| 08:00.10 | jelly-home | tlarson: but you will want to read about ?upgradable |
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| 08:00.43 | tlarson | jelly-home: I don't want to read about anything. I just want to fix this stupid server and go to bed. |
| 08:00.45 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad_: nicer in the looks, but the functionality is present in both command line and curses |
| 08:01.19 | streuner_ | BbT0n: what does "ping -c1 google.de" say? |
| 08:01.41 | FunctorSalad_ | jelly-home: hmm, in curses you can examine the problem packages from the resolver |
| 08:01.49 | FunctorSalad_ | (but maybe there's some key in the prompt for that too) |
| 08:02.46 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad_: there's a prompt and hints for package removal, hold, installation or upgrade can be given. |
| 08:03.26 | jelly-home | I find it easier to deal than the ui |
| 08:03.52 | FunctorSalad_ | you can hit "a" and "r" to accept resp. reject an element of the suggestion in the ui |
| 08:04.03 | FunctorSalad_ | (not the whole suggestion) |
| 08:04.06 | jelly-home | I know! |
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| 08:04.27 | tlarson | If i wanted to step through an endless list of prompts and dialogs, I'd manage windows servers. |
| 08:05.08 | billy | Hi. I'm using Squeeze here and the java plugin is not working.. does anyone know a solution? |
| 08:05.21 | jelly-home | tlarson: fix your machine and go to bed. |
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| 08:05.56 | tlarson | jelly-home: trying. So you're saying there is absolutely no way to do a wildcard install with apt or aptitude without going into the gui? |
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| 08:06.22 | billy | It's not working with Firefox, Iceweasel or Google Chrome... I've tried sid's sun-java6-plugin package, but it's not working either.. |
| 08:06.40 | jelly-home | tlarson: definitely not! |
| 08:06.44 | FunctorSalad_ | there is... I was just suggesting the ncurses for being slightly more convenient (personally) |
| 08:06.50 | tlarson | cries |
| 08:07.19 | jelly-home | tlarson: in fact I've given you the command to install all the already-install packages containing "perl" in the name, but you seem to ignore it |
| 08:07.25 | FunctorSalad_ | did you try "aptitude install mysearchpattern" yet? |
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| 08:07.34 | FunctorSalad_ | err, upgrade |
| 08:08.16 | tlarson | jelly-home: oh, sorry. I mistook your command for some sort of language mismatch. |
| 08:08.47 | jelly-home | right, it's always nice to assume the other person is wrong |
| 08:08.56 | billy | I've even tried older versions of Java... but it simply doesn't work with Squeeze, only with Lenny. |
| 08:09.00 | FunctorSalad_ | most important search patterns are: simply an regex to search the package name, "~dMYREGEX" to search the package description |
| 08:09.16 | FunctorSalad_ | ~i = installed, ~b = broken, ~Vblah : version |
| 08:09.17 | apt | You = installed, ~b = broken, ~Vblah : version? |
| 08:09.24 | tlarson | jelly-home: and i'm not even kidding. I saw that and I though the ?'s where unicode artifacts |
| 08:09.28 | lolufail | woah I just downgraded from dotdeb to lenny php, now everything I try segfaults php |
| 08:09.40 | lolufail | quite lost here, any approaches? |
| 08:10.01 | jelly-home | tlarson: perhaps you should invert the order of going to bed and fixing the machine... |
| 08:10.08 | billy | lolufail: upgrade?! |
| 08:10.37 | tlarson | jelly-home: if only. maintenance has to be done durring off-peak hours |
| 08:10.47 | jelly-home | fun |
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| 08:11.24 | lolufail | billy: nevermind :D |
| 08:11.27 | lolufail | ip-10-226-102-95:/srv/www/default# php info.php |
| 08:11.28 | lolufail | PHP Warning: Cannot load module 'XCache' because conflicting module 'apc' is already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 08:11.28 | lolufail | Segmentation fault |
| 08:11.44 | tlarson | .. fail: E: Badly formed pattern ?installed ?name(.*prelude.*) |
| 08:12.08 | FunctorSalad_ | did you quote it for the shell? |
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| 08:12.28 | jelly-home | he did, else those ? and * wouldn't get through to aptitude |
| 08:12.35 | tlarson | afraid so. aptitude install '?installed ?name(.*prelude.*)' |
| 08:12.45 | FunctorSalad_ | oh, right |
| 08:12.51 | jelly-home | tlarson: which debian release is this? |
| 08:13.03 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: drop the "?name" and the parens? |
| 08:13.10 | tlarson | 5.0.4 |
| 08:13.19 | FunctorSalad_ | or simply '~iprelude' |
| 08:13.32 | FunctorSalad_ | (~i = installed) |
| 08:13.54 | jelly-home | tlarson: long search options weren't there from the start, try short style (what FunctorSalad_ said) |
| 08:14.13 | jelly-home | but I _think_ they ought to work in lenny's aptitude |
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| 08:15.00 | tlarson | so aptitude install '~i prelude' ? |
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| 08:15.22 | FunctorSalad_ | not sure if the space is significant, but without the space it's correct |
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| 08:16.05 | jelly-home | tlarson: are you mid etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 08:16.38 | jelly-home | tlarson: dpkg -l libc6 apt aptitude | tail -3 |
| 08:16.45 | FunctorSalad_ | (~ - flags with no argument don't need space after them, flags with an argument like ~d (description) extend until the next ~) |
| 08:17.29 | tlarson | jelly-home: no. The server was recently rebooted (after a couple of years of uptime) and snort had broken itself. So, upgrade snort, and now prelude is broken. Hopefully upgrading prelude to match the upgraded snort will cause it to work again. |
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| 08:18.52 | tlarson | ... so perhaps it IS trying to upgrade me to lenny. That would be a treat. |
| 08:19.03 | jelly-home | 5.0.4 = lenny |
| 08:19.11 | tlarson | orly.. |
| 08:19.24 | tlarson | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:19.31 | tlarson | maybe the other guy did that |
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| 08:19.35 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: I'd go for trying to do it with aptitude rather than further analyzing the situation... maybe it will work quickly |
| 08:20.01 | FunctorSalad_ | (and as I said, you don't need X for the UI, just curses) |
| 08:20.11 | jelly-home | tlarson: check that your sources.list doesn't mistakenly list "stable" anywhere instead of "etch", that'll get you in trouble |
| 08:20.26 | jelly-home | tlarson: do that before any fruther installing |
| 08:20.38 | FunctorSalad_ | hmm why would that be trouble? |
| 08:20.45 | FunctorSalad_ | as long as target release is testing |
| 08:20.53 | FunctorSalad_ | (if I understand the intention correctly) |
| 08:20.56 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad_: he has etch installed |
| 08:21.02 | tlarson | it's all "stable" it looks like |
| 08:21.18 | jelly-home | tlarson: that's not good, s/stable/etch/g |
| 08:21.19 | tlarson | Last thing I want to do right now is do a full-system upgrade. |
| 08:21.36 | FunctorSalad_ | oh then listen to jelly-home, I don't know how aptitude plays with named releases at all |
| 08:21.55 | FunctorSalad_ | (just using testing/unstable) |
| 08:22.24 | jelly-home | tlarson: hopefully you didn't upgrade anything important! |
| 08:22.40 | tlarson | I didn't upgrade anything yet.. |
| 08:22.44 | jelly-home | good. |
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| 08:23.06 | tlarson | and why the ** is packages.inl.fr listed as a source? ... grr. |
| 08:23.13 | jelly-home | after replacing "stable" with "etch", an aptitude update will be needed |
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| 08:24.00 | tlarson | how do you tell it to list the packages installed from a given source? |
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| 08:25.39 | FunctorSalad_ | ~Osource |
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| 08:26.29 | jelly-home | prelude people are from .fr, you may have 3rd party (or is that 1st party) packages installed |
| 08:26.32 | FunctorSalad_ | hmm that's not the release though, I think it's just 'debian' for all official packages |
| 08:26.38 | FunctorSalad_ | ("Origin") |
| 08:27.03 | tlarson | hm. that could by why |
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| 08:27.26 | jelly-home | tlarson: unless this machine primary function is IDS, I'd leave that prelude crap broken ;-) |
| 08:27.28 | Nik_ | Hi. I'm getting this error 'http://pastebin.com/ug1QQaAK' when doing 'apt-get purge irssi' |
| 08:27.42 | tlarson | unfortunately, that exactly what the primary function of this machine is. |
| 08:27.54 | tlarson | I think i need to resinstall prelude from source |
| 08:28.21 | SlayerXP | hello hash-dweebianites. |
| 08:28.24 | FunctorSalad_ | tlarson: here's the chart http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 08:29.41 | jelly-home | tlarson: or install aptitude-doc-en from etch and read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03* to find out the subset that existed in etch |
| 08:29.42 | tlarson | ....this is SO not the way I want to spend my night. |
| 08:30.24 | FunctorSalad_ | maybe '?archive' is the flag you mean? |
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| 08:30.44 | FunctorSalad_ | (by 'filter by from which source') |
| 08:31.23 | jelly-home | in squeeze, there is ?source-package(name) but there's no short-style ~something for that |
| 08:31.36 | Nik_ | http://pastebin.com/ZrpbuwaD. How can I fix this? |
| 08:31.42 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to convert an flv that has mp3 audio to an mpeg4... the original flv plays fine with mplayer, but the resulting mpeg4 gets out of sync more and more, and then cuts off early (before at least audio is done playing) |
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| 08:32.12 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad_: he seems to want to reinstall only the prelude bits, which afair are all from a single source package |
| 08:33.11 | jelly-home | then again last time I dabbled with that, there were only 3-4 packages so why not just list them all: aptitude install prelude-foo prelude-bar ... |
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| 08:33.54 | jelly-home | tlarson: apt-cache policy prelude-manager might show you which repos the packages are available from |
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| 08:35.20 | FunctorSalad_ | ah yes, messing with abstractions for hours rather than manually listing 3 items, I can relate to that ;)) |
| 08:35.33 | nsadmin | what info could I show you that would help get this and the rest converted properly? |
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| 08:36.35 | tlarson | jelly-home: i've run into the same problem several times under differnet circumstances, so I was after a general solution |
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| 08:37.19 | ethanol | why route route add give me SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 08:37.27 | ethanol | is it because both my interfaces are set to dhcp? |
| 08:37.36 | nsadmin | ruut ruut add? |
| 08:38.09 | ethanol | the exact command I issues was "route add -net 192.168.44.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.44.1" |
| 08:38.20 | ethanol | s/issues/issued/ |
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| 08:39.02 | nsadmin | usually you don't put a gw on a net route |
| 08:39.19 | nsadmin | try taking the gw off |
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| 08:39.28 | azeem_ | having gw is fine, AFAICT |
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| 08:39.53 | nsadmin | try it anyway... we're trying to find out what's wrong in this case |
| 08:40.23 | ethanol | ah |
| 08:40.25 | scode | On squeeze and cdbs, my trivial three-line debian/rules that just includes debhelper.mk/distutils.mk and sets DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM to pycentral, "./debian/rules build' does nothing. It doesn't invoke distutils. Any change in the way you're supposed to use cdbs as of squeeze? |
| 08:40.27 | ethanol | adding dev eth1 |
| 08:40.28 | azeem_ | ethanol: what looks weird is that the gw is in the same subnet |
| 08:40.31 | nsadmin | having said that... why are you using route directly? |
| 08:40.31 | ethanol | now it works |
| 08:40.33 | ethanol | :> |
| 08:40.43 | ethanol | nsadmin: what would you use? |
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| 08:40.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.43 | ethanol | #netfilter would give you much hate :< |
| 08:42.12 | nsadmin | whatever... I never did anything to them. |
| 08:42.34 | ethanol | :> |
| 08:42.58 | nsadmin | again, why are you using route (and possibly ifconfig) directly? |
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| 08:43.27 | beli | hi, clamav will disable installations older than 0.95 on 15.april.2010.........is debian lenny package be updated before that happens? |
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| 08:43.49 | nsadmin | maybe on volatile |
| 08:44.00 | valdyn | beli: thats got to be a joke |
| 08:44.05 | simonrvn | on volatile yes |
| 08:44.23 | simonrvn | not a joke. you can get updates from volatile |
| 08:44.29 | simonrvn | !volatile |
| 08:44.29 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 08:44.32 | ethanol | nsadmin: route is easy to use? and best approach as far as I know |
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| 08:44.49 | beli | valdyn: http://lists.clamav.net/lurker/message/20091006.143601.d27bbd20.en.html |
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| 08:45.14 | beli | thanks simonrvn |
| 08:45.51 | simonrvn | yeh np |
| 08:45.57 | nsadmin | ethanol except (1) interfaces is typically more readable and (2) route and ifconfig superceeded by ip |
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| 08:46.16 | simonrvn | i think spamassassin was going the same route |
| 08:46.30 | simonrvn | but not so explicitly |
| 08:46.48 | nsadmin | and (3) if you use interfaces, you won't have to change anything when ifconfig/route eventually goes away |
| 08:47.18 | beli | simonrvn: you have to do it the brutal way...otherwise most admins dont care |
| 08:47.32 | nsadmin | ethanol aside from which... is it the only approach you know? |
| 08:48.03 | beli | ethanol: what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:49.40 | mrw_ | How can I use apt to install a 32bit library (to /usr/lib32) on a 64bit system? |
| 08:50.07 | valdyn | mrw_: not at all unless theres an explicit package |
| 08:50.33 | mrw_ | :-( is there a chap way to create that package, valdyn? |
| 08:50.39 | mrw_ | :-( is there a cheap way to create that package, valdyn? |
| 08:50.47 | valdyn | mrw_: no |
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| 09:00.30 | ruediger | which x11 terminal emulator is good and fast and small? I used to use rxvt-unicode (on my desktop I now use konsole but that's neither fast nor small). Is rxvt-unicode still the way to go? |
| 09:01.00 | zobel | i use uxterm |
| 09:03.53 | ruediger | xterm is not really light or fast |
| 09:04.09 | jelly | ruediger: rxvt-unicode-lite is a bit smaller |
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| 09:07.08 | bzed | ruediger: I think rxvt-unicode still comes with the most features |
| 09:07.15 | d3x | ruediger, i would use rxvt-unicode if it supported real background translucency. it doesn't, hence i use konsole :) |
| 09:07.23 | d3x | or does it and i don't know about something? |
| 09:07.29 | jelly | d3x: but... it does. |
| 09:07.39 | jelly | d3x: it's a bit of a rtfm |
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| 09:08.09 | zobel | translucency only eats cpu |
| 09:08.13 | ruediger | d3x: yeah I really like konsole. But I don't want to install a complete kde on my netbook :-D |
| 09:08.16 | d3x | zobel, gpu in my case |
| 09:08.20 | jelly | zobel: not if done correctly |
| 09:08.27 | jelly | d3x: ALPHA CHANNEL SUPPORT in tfm |
| 09:08.28 | zobel | well, its heating |
| 09:08.36 | d3x | zobel, so what? |
| 09:08.56 | jelly | zobel: we best switch off all our computers, they only dissipate heat! |
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| 09:09.20 | ruediger | (but translucent terminals just look cool for screenshots. Working with them is a pain in the ass imho. too many visual distractions) |
| 09:09.30 | d3x | let's make google turn all their servers off :) |
| 09:09.42 | d3x | few MWs of power wasted! |
| 09:10.06 | d3x | ruediger, i have 15-20% translucency. i just like it this way :) |
| 09:10.40 | krion | let's turn off all the computer between 22h and 06h in the big corporation |
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| 09:11.26 | iateadonut | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 09:11.36 | iateadonut | i don't get it. where would you get an untrusted package from? |
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| 09:11.56 | jelly | iateadonut: an untrusted configured repository |
| 09:12.09 | ma3x | hi im trying to compile 2.6.33 i get this error : The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h ""does not match current version: "2.6.33" what should i do |
| 09:12.41 | ma3x | a simple make works but make-kpkg displays that error |
| 09:13.37 | eth01 | i'm installing debian 5.01 - but it is stuck at 1%? i am going through a local proxy. why may this be? |
| 09:14.01 | eth01 | i have looked this up on google, but there isn't really anything suggestive |
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| 09:23.04 | valdyn | ma3x: make-kpkg clean |
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| 09:25.33 | isfranc | hello |
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| 09:27.01 | eth01 | any ideas? |
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| 09:29.17 | lxsameer | does nilfs is a good FS |
| 09:29.24 | valdyn | !nilfs |
| 09:29.24 | dpkg | NILFS (New Implementation of a Log-structured File System) is a log-structured file system implementation for Linux. It automatically checkpoints file changes, those can be made permanent by changing them to snapshots. NILFS2 is included in mainline since Linux 2.6.30. http://nilfs.org/ |
| 09:29.46 | valdyn | lxsameer: if you have to ask you dont need something like this |
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| 09:32.52 | lxsameer | valdyn: why can you explain me a little |
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| 09:38.40 | wols | ma3x: you should check the BTS |
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| 09:39.36 | ma3x | wols yes i checked it suggested upgrading kernel-package. i did so from testing |
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| 09:47.07 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:47.07 | dpkg | <sylarrr> why cant I change /proc/cmdline in busybox? <sylarrr> I have chmod it 777 <sylarrr> and when I write to it it doesn't save the changes |
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| 09:58.32 | nkuttler | doesn't debian have some live cd? maybe with apache + php5 installed? |
| 09:59.10 | ewet | hi, I have an issue with my drupal installation. It's installed on a debian machine via apt. My problem is that the hostname is rewritten to "localhost" which makes it impossible to browse this site from anywhere else that from the machine it's running on :-/. "find -L /etc | xargs grep 'RewriteRule'" is giving me http://paste.debian.net/67977/ |
| 10:00.22 | nkuttler | ewet: that's not named properly to affect anything. i guess i'd ask in #drupal |
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| 10:02.14 | ewet | nkuttler, what do you mean with "that's not named properly to affect anything" |
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| 10:02.55 | nkuttler | ewet: /drupal/6/htaccess, it's supposed to be .htaccess |
| 10:03.32 | nkuttler | ewet: so it's either a drupal config thing or drupal gets the domain from the httpd |
| 10:04.26 | ewet | nkuttler, crazy.. I see |
| 10:04.57 | ewet | about the filename: this is pretty much the debian package.. I'm confused |
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| 10:05.14 | SPF | !tell nkuttler about debian live |
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| 10:06.11 | nkuttler | SPF: and does that come with apache + php? |
| 10:06.55 | nkuttler | btw, i've already found that and couldn't find a package list |
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| 10:07.18 | SPF | nkuttler: I don't think the livecd has it. I think you need to build your own live cd |
| 10:07.38 | nkuttler | SPF: yeah, looks like. thanks! |
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| 10:23.42 | nietaki | is it possible to install one (just one) squeeze package on lenny? |
| 10:23.55 | nietaki | and when I say package I mean http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-cvxopt |
| 10:25.31 | Arrowmaster | dpkg tell nietaki about ssb |
| 10:27.12 | nietaki | thanks I'll try that |
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| 10:38.27 | ethanol | how do I stop my machine from pretty much just using ipv6? can I just remove all routes with ip -6 ? |
| 10:38.53 | valdyn | ethanol: to what purpose? |
| 10:39.06 | ethanol | valdyn: it has no dns resolving for ipv6 addresses |
| 10:39.15 | valdyn | !noipv6 |
| 10:39.15 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 10:39.17 | ethanol | and it attempts to use ipv6 for security.debian.org using aptitude |
| 10:39.28 | ethanol | which times out and then switched to ipv4 |
| 10:39.39 | ethanol | can't reboot :< |
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| 10:39.48 | valdyn | ethanol: fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 10:40.02 | ethanol | I looked at that, but I can't make sense of it |
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| 10:40.27 | ethanol | want me to pastebin content? |
| 10:40.51 | valdyn | ethanol: just the host line |
| 10:41.09 | ethanol | oh |
| 10:41.10 | ethanol | http://pastie.org/909091 |
| 10:41.16 | ethanol | kinda had everything in clipboard already |
| 10:41.27 | valdyn | ethanol: put mdns4 before dns |
| 10:42.14 | ethanol | and then? |
| 10:42.15 | valdyn | ethanol: or mdns4_minimal, i dont really know the difference |
| 10:42.28 | valdyn | ethanol: thats ipv4 lookup modules |
| 10:42.45 | ethanol | when doing aptitude upgrade |
| 10:42.49 | ethanol | it still attempts ipv6 |
| 10:42.51 | ethanol | 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] |
| 10:42.52 | ethanol | :< |
| 10:43.06 | ethanol | and it pretty much gets stuck at 0%, till it switches after a while to ipv4 |
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| 10:43.53 | ethanol | wouldn't it be easier to add a dns resolver for ipv6 somewhere? |
| 10:44.59 | valdyn | ethanol: you want a resolver that gives ipv4 |
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| 10:45.33 | ethanol | well, what I really want is for aptitude to quit being so obtuse. just use ipv4 for everything :< |
| 10:45.52 | ethanol | it's annoying having to wait for a timeout each time I use it |
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| 10:50.00 | valdyn | ethanol: you can probably use a caching dns server that filters out the ipv6 ips |
| 10:50.06 | valdyn | ethanol: like dnsmasq |
| 10:50.08 | mikevankuik | I've got some svn issues running on debian I know this might not be the place to start asking questions but still can someone help?! |
| 10:50.16 | valdyn | ethanol: or straight a name server that doesnt show ipv6 ips |
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| 10:50.34 | ethanol | meh |
| 10:50.40 | ethanol | those all kinda sound like cheating |
| 10:50.44 | ethanol | rather than resolving the issue |
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| 10:52.23 | valdyn | ethanol: your name server is cheating on you |
| 10:52.42 | ethanol | how so? |
| 10:52.51 | Mowee | Hi ^^ |
| 10:52.55 | valdyn | ethanol: giving you the ipv6 ip |
| 10:53.19 | ethanol | but why cant my machine access it? |
| 10:53.42 | valdyn | ethanol: because you never set it up |
| 10:53.53 | valdyn | ethanol: or your isp never set it up |
| 10:54.06 | valdyn | ethanol: ipv6 isnt usually set up by your isp |
| 10:54.24 | ethanol | well we have a small rack |
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| 10:54.41 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:54.57 | ethanol | any guides on how to set it up? |
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| 10:55.44 | AlexC_ | I've got a weird issue with a Debian Lenny server here - when it starts up and gets to the login prompt, any messages (it appears to be /var/log/syslog) are appearing on the screen, which makes it impossible to use (try to type and when a new log message comes in, it is displayed) |
| 10:56.02 | ethanol | hit enter |
| 10:56.16 | ethanol | and wait till it is done |
| 10:56.20 | AlexC_ | yeah, try doing that as fast as log messages appear ;) |
| 10:56.26 | AlexC_ | whilst trying to type and work on it |
| 10:57.02 | wols | AlexC_: press ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 10:57.22 | AlexC_ | wols, I did try changing to a different one, from what I can remember it still occured |
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| 10:57.27 | AlexC_ | I shall have to double check that though |
| 10:57.55 | wols | just because there is a lot of stuff written on screen doens#t mean you can't type and login |
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| 10:58.25 | AlexC_ | wols, yeah, but even when I do login these messages are still appearing over screen - which means I can't see what I'm typing |
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| 10:58.31 | vdelau | Hi all, I've got a question: is it possible to push portmap in using specific port numbers or ranges? I want to setup my firewall to limit access. |
| 11:00.10 | AlexC_ | wols, for example, I login and do 'nano foo' - whilst editing this file, log messages will *still* appear over the screen, which pushes text out of the way (well, hides it) and makes it impossible to edit said file |
| 11:00.46 | tarzeau | vdelau: i'm not sure, try playing with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range ? |
| 11:01.32 | ethanol | valdyn: would this solve it? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
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| 11:02.47 | vdelau | tarzeau: What is that file supposed to do? fwiw, portmap assigns low port numbers (680-720). |
| 11:02.57 | valdyn | ethanol: no, you need to use a name server that does not give you an ipv6 ip when its queried from an ipv4 ip |
| 11:03.33 | tarzeau | vdelau: define what port range to use for connections i guess |
| 11:03.58 | tarzeau | vdelau: have a look at the files there and maybe at portmap if it can be configured... |
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| 11:04.43 | vdelau | tarzeau: it seems portmap doesn't have a lot a configuration options, and documentation... |
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| 11:06.05 | AlexC_ | wols, any ideas? |
| 11:06.25 | peleczek | i want start some apllications with x but when i write it to xinitrc i think i lose some debian defaults - xterm is black on white f.e is it normal? |
| 11:06.31 | vdelau | tarzeau: it seems most rpc.* programs accept a -p parameter to specify a port manually. Lets see if that is an option... |
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| 11:07.09 | peleczek | i would like to just run few more applications on x start not to reconfigure everything |
| 11:07.21 | JyZyXEL | if i physically remove my /dev/sda sata disk and replace it with the device from /dev/sde will debian name it /dev/sda or /dev/sde? |
| 11:07.33 | Ox90 | AlexC_, try this http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/upload-logging.html |
| 11:07.48 | JyZyXEL | are there some automatic udev rules made based on some identifier? |
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| 11:08.49 | wols | AlexC_: what error messages are there? |
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| 11:11.07 | AlexC_ | wols, not exactly error messages, even just plugging a USB device it will show up |
| 11:11.14 | AlexC_ | also has shorewall logs for example |
| 11:12.45 | ethanol | valdyn: my primary nameserver is 208.67.222.222 I believe. how can I check if this indeed returns an ipv6 address? |
| 11:13.05 | valdyn | ethanol: try echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
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| 11:14.09 | ethanol | I already know that doesn't work :< |
| 11:14.41 | ethanol | it doesn't even exist |
| 11:15.06 | valdyn | ethanol: alright, i have no idea when that feature was added |
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| 11:16.51 | ihsq | hello, how can i change system time? i tried doing it with "tzselect" but after reloging it gets back old time, i did export tz in profile, but programs get old time for some reason.. |
| 11:17.19 | ethanol | try googling for dpkg-reconfigure and timezone stuff |
| 11:17.21 | ethanol | I think |
| 11:18.03 | bigpresh | Hmm, I went to install virtualbox-ose, but one of the dependencies it wanted to install was linux-image-2.6.26-2-486. Does that mean it would replace my current 686 kernel, or does it install that alongside for use by guest VMs or something? |
| 11:18.31 | wols | alongside, but for the host, not guest |
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| 11:19.18 | bigpresh | Ah right - why does it want to do that? |
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| 11:25.35 | ihsq | heh i've found that it can be changed with dpkg-configure tzdata, but i cant find my country listed there.. lol |
| 11:25.49 | ihsq | tought its listed in tzselect |
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| 11:26.28 | ihsq | oh sorry found |
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| 11:35.51 | madmuppet006 | I have a problem when I try to run my mandelbrot set program .. I only get purple and black no colors .. any ideas on where to start looking for the problem appreciated |
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| 11:36.02 | NetNiet | hi folks i'm looking for a tool to open a ssh connection an being able to handle the in and out put of the ssh bij by script .. any hints ? |
| 11:38.12 | SlayerXP | madmuppet006: go on, i'll bite, what's that got to do with debian? |
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| 11:39.18 | madmuppet006 | SlayerXP: apart from me using debian not a lot .. I personally dont have a clue where to start looking so hoping someone here has an idea that may help |
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| 11:42.04 | b0fh_ua | Hello! Can somebody please point me to how can I install Tomcat 5.5 without installing GCJ? |
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| 11:42.35 | b0fh_ua | I already installed Sun JDK 1.6.0, so I don't need all those GCJ stuff, and I have no idea of how to get rid of those dependencies |
| 11:45.15 | nkuttler | !tell b0fh_ua about equivs |
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| 11:46.30 | b0fh_ua | nkuttler: well, this seems to be some sort of hack. Are there any other ways? |
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| 11:48.56 | jelly | b0fh_ua: did you install sun's jdk from packages or from tarball? |
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| 11:49.33 | b0fh_ua | jelly: from packages, using apt-get |
| 11:51.31 | jelly | b0fh_ua: can you pastebin the full output of what aptitude install foo wants to do? |
| 11:52.31 | b0fh_ua | jelly: http://pastebin.com/LDFNxa99 |
| 11:53.17 | jelly | b0fh_ua: what if you add a -R (--without-recommends) option to aptitude? |
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| 11:53.53 | b0fh_ua | jelly: http://pastebin.com/a5Gqn4pJ |
| 11:53.58 | b0fh_ua | still wants GCJ |
| 11:54.20 | jelly | where? |
| 11:54.38 | jelly | it doesn't install any. |
| 11:54.59 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a raid card from 3ware...can anyone tell me how to use smartctl with it? |
| 11:55.00 | b0fh_ua | libecj-java |
| 11:55.01 | b0fh_ua | hmmm |
| 11:55.07 | b0fh_ua | really |
| 11:55.20 | jelly | Description: Eclipse Java compiler (library) |
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| 11:56.06 | jelly | [Jasper]: the manual has some info |
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| 11:56.24 | b0fh_ua | jelly: thank you very much |
| 11:56.43 | jelly | [Jasper]: also the default smartd.conf has examples commented out |
| 11:57.12 | jelly | b0fh_ua: excessive Recommends: make aptitude in lenny and later do weird things |
| 11:57.22 | [Jasper] | jelly I found I can poll twa01 to see 1 disk |
| 11:58.41 | jelly | !tell b0fh_ua about apt recommends |
| 11:59.31 | jelly | [Jasper]: well, does that /dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 syntaxc not work? |
| 12:00.21 | jelly | [Jasper]: I don't have a Linux with 3ware nearby to test, sorry |
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| 12:01.20 | [Jasper] | jelly I got it |
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| 12:04.28 | xlotlu | is there some copy utility that transforms filenames to fat32-compatible? |
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| 12:06.01 | [Jasper] | trying to set up smartd jelly |
| 12:06.04 | [Jasper] | but for some reason it fails |
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| 12:07.02 | jelly | xlotlu: eh, isn't merely replacing colons and backslashes good enough? |
| 12:07.37 | xlotlu | jelly: i could throw a script at it but i'm so so lazy :) |
| 12:07.59 | xlotlu | it also needs taking care of how long dirnames are, and the entire path.. and lotsa crap |
| 12:08.22 | jelly | just tar it up and unpack on a decent fs. ;-) |
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| 12:09.39 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 12:09.48 | metalfan_ | how can i reset my postfix config files with apt? |
| 12:09.56 | xlotlu | eh.. |
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| 12:10.40 | wols | !tell metalfan_ about confmiss |
| 12:10.52 | [Jasper] | I guess I need to setup postfix to send emails from my server... |
| 12:11.05 | wols | [Jasper]: no you don't |
| 12:11.15 | wols | you already have exim installed by default and configured |
| 12:12.46 | jelly | by default? |
| 12:13.08 | nkuttler | i think local delivery by default |
| 12:13.10 | wols | jelly:paste of debian base install |
| 12:13.10 | metalfan_ | wols, thx |
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| 12:16.21 | [Jasper] | wols I know. but I like postfix better :) ...anyways...I was wondering...how can I test if smartd actually works |
| 12:16.23 | [Jasper] | and send emails? |
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| 12:17.05 | sushimako | i have a debian package and want to change the root path the files are going to be installed to, any ideas? (i.e. everything goes to /usr/local/ but i need the stuff in /usr) |
| 12:18.26 | jelly | [Jasper]: it will logs some stuff in /var/log/daemon.log while it's running |
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| 12:19.11 | jelly | sushimako: hm, but debian (distro) packages don't put anything in /usr/local |
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| 12:19.26 | pozic | Is there a way to download Silverlight videos? |
| 12:20.07 | [Jasper] | it is running jelly...just want to know if it sends email correctly :P |
| 12:20.09 | jelly | sushimako: if this is a third-party package, perhaps it'd be best to ask them about the reasons they made it that way |
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| 12:22.19 | sushimako | jelly: yep it's thirdparty, it's the ruby-enterprise .deb. and i really need the contents under /usr for a dedicated setup. |
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| 12:22.55 | jelly | [Jasper]: a quick peek in smartd(8) manual reveals examples like # SCSI disks. Send a TEST warning email to admin on startup. \n /dev/sdb -m admin@example.com -M test |
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| 12:23.01 | sushimako | jelly: i guess their reasons for installing it to /usr/local is to avoid conflicts with the debian rails package, but i know that it will never be installed on that system |
| 12:23.45 | jelly | sushimako: ask them. There might be a good chance there are paths hardcoded or compiled-in the binaries inside. |
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| 12:25.02 | Crypticfortune | So, with lenny it was easy to monitor user idle times by checking access times on /dev/ttyX, but in squeeze atleast with xorg 1:7.5+3, that the tty in use by X no longer reports idle times at all...any way to get around this? |
| 12:25.37 | iguanna | sometime if I unplug the usb mouse because I have to move my laptop or whatever and then I plug it again, the usb mouse doesn't work, it doesn't move and I have to use the touchpad, anyone know why and how to fix it? thanks |
| 12:25.37 | jelly | sushimako: in general, you can unpack the binary somewhere (dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir/ && dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN), mess with the contents, then put it back together (dpkg -b somedir .) |
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| 12:26.36 | Crypticfortune | I want a way for root to gather idle times for users on the system, including in X. X screensaver times would be fine, but I don't have a nice way to get root to connect to display :0 etc...? |
| 12:26.41 | sushimako | jelly: thanks for the advices, very helpful! |
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| 12:27.04 | cristi8 | iguanna: and if it doesn't work and you replug it, sometimes it works? |
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| 12:28.16 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: why dont you? |
| 12:28.44 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: theres nothing keeping riight from accesssing any display |
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| 12:29.00 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: s/right/root/ |
| 12:30.09 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: i am perhaps an X newb, but for example "env DISPLAY=:0 xprintidle" says "No protocol specified couldn't open display" |
| 12:30.35 | jelly | sushimako: if you do that, I strongly suggesting changing the version number (debian/control) and adding a changelog entry (/usr/share/doc/changelog.Debian.gz) so you know it's a modified package after it's installed |
| 12:30.49 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: you need not only DISPLAY but the users ~/.Xauthority |
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| 12:31.52 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: ah, now there's a tricky bit, because the user's ~/.Xauthority is stored in NFS which explicitly prohibits root from reading it >_< |
| 12:31.56 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: i dont know how it works exactly, but dont go the xhost route |
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| 12:32.18 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: root can change its uid |
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| 12:32.56 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: hmmm, ok, i see where we're going. it'll be an ugly script, but it'll get the job done i think ^^ |
| 12:33.06 | valdyn | looking at ssh -X its probably just the XDG_SESSION_COOKIE you need |
| 12:34.09 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: you can make users login scripts cooperate with you alternatively |
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| 12:34.25 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: but thats probably not a bit better anyway |
| 12:35.44 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: ya...they're both hacky... why'd they take out the updating of /dev/ttyX anyway? that made life so easy.. =P |
| 12:36.28 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: users X sessions can contain an unlimited number of seperate logins... |
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| 12:36.48 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: or did those still update your tty? i dont know |
| 12:37.13 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: ya, they do in lenny |
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| 12:39.32 | [Jasper] | hej guys, if I have smart monitoring setup...should I also setup raid monitoring? |
| 12:39.41 | [Jasper] | or does smart do this also basically? |
| 12:39.47 | jelly | it doesn't |
| 12:39.57 | valdyn | [Jasper]: raid monitoring is on by default |
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| 12:40.05 | valdyn | [Jasper]: unless youre talking about hardware raid |
| 12:40.15 | jelly | valdyn: the context was 3ware, so hw raid |
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| 12:40.55 | metalfan_ | is postfix needed if you just want to receive mails from some other ip address? |
| 12:41.06 | valdyn | metalfan_: recieve how? |
| 12:41.15 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 12:41.15 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
| 12:41.19 | [Jasper] | valdyn hardware rate |
| 12:41.21 | [Jasper] | raid |
| 12:41.33 | [Jasper] | 3ware 9550sx |
| 12:41.42 | metalfan_ | sending from gmx.net and receiving via thunderbird (imap) |
| 12:41.56 | valdyn | metalfan_: dont use postfix for that, but you still need it |
| 12:42.07 | valdyn | metalfan_: let thunderbird talk to gmx directly |
| 12:42.16 | metalfan_ | but shouldnt the imap server, in this case dovecot handle this? |
| 12:42.21 | metalfan_ | nono |
| 12:42.41 | [Jasper] | or should I use 3ware-3dm2 for that valdyn |
| 12:42.44 | metalfan_ | root server that runs dovecot, to that system i connect via thunderbird. sending emails from gmx.net for testing |
| 12:43.09 | valdyn | metalfan_: so you actually only ever recieve mail sent from gmx? |
| 12:43.13 | metalfan_ | yes |
| 12:43.17 | metalfan_ | for now |
| 12:43.22 | valdyn | metalfan_: that does not change much at all |
| 12:43.34 | metalfan_ | mta still needed? |
| 12:43.42 | valdyn | metalfan_: ( except that explicitely denying everything else would be extra setup work |
| 12:43.50 | valdyn | metalfan_: you *always* need an mta anyway |
| 12:43.59 | metalfan_ | for local mail delivery sure |
| 12:44.11 | valdyn | metalfan_: and to recieve any mail via smtp you need an mta too, even if its only gmx |
| 12:44.13 | metalfan_ | but just to see if dovecot is working, would it need postfix? |
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| 12:44.27 | valdyn | metalfan_: dovecot does not need postfix |
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| 12:44.58 | valdyn | metalfan_: dovecot just needs the mailbox file / files |
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| 12:45.57 | metalfan_ | im asking because im having trouble with dovecot. the gmx account gets a 550 not found reply but i dont see anything in the dovecot logs and i can use telnet to connect to my users inbox |
| 12:46.11 | valdyn | metalfan_: dovecot doesnt talk to gmx |
| 12:46.16 | metalfan_ | i know |
| 12:46.30 | metalfan_ | but the mailer daemon from gmx sends me a mail about the 550 |
| 12:46.47 | valdyn | metalfan_: so gmx fails to deliver the mail |
| 12:46.55 | metalfan_ | yes |
| 12:46.59 | valdyn | metalfan_: i dont know what a 550 is btw |
| 12:47.11 | valdyn | metalfan_: "connection refused" ? |
| 12:47.13 | metalfan_ | probably user not found |
| 12:47.30 | valdyn | metalfan_: well, "probably" is not enough |
| 12:47.48 | valdyn | "550 Mail Relay not allowed" |
| 12:48.06 | metalfan_ | 94.23.41.182_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_5.1.1_<myuser@ks306563.kimsufi.com>:_Recipient_address_rejected:_User_unknown_in_local_recipient_table/Giving_up_on_94.23.41.182./ |
| 12:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you trying to set up your own mailserver and GMX forwards to that? |
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| 12:48.32 | valdyn | metalfan_: so add that user, directly or in /etc/aliases |
| 12:48.32 | metalfan_ | own mailserver with different domain, gmx is just for testing (sending mails to see if my server receives) |
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| 12:49.11 | valdyn | metalfan_: or send to root, im sure that one exists ;) |
| 12:49.23 | metalfan_ | i followed the dovecot virtual user howto: http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/SimpleVirtualInstall there it says that /etc/dovecot/passwd holds the user+pass |
| 12:49.37 | metalfan_ | and i can login via telnet with that user and pass |
| 12:49.42 | valdyn | uh, virtual users..... |
| 12:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | details... |
| 12:49.55 | valdyn | metalfan_: telnet to which port? smtp? |
| 12:49.58 | metalfan_ | 143 |
| 12:50.11 | valdyn | metalfan_: logging in is something else than delivering mail |
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| 12:50.46 | valdyn | metalfan_: gmx wants to deliver mail at 25/tcp anyway |
| 12:50.51 | metalfan_ | ah |
| 12:50.55 | metalfan_ | i did not know that |
| 12:51.17 | valdyn | metalfan_: delivering to the final destination cannot require authentication for obvious reasons |
| 12:51.41 | valdyn | metalfan_: using a mail relay on the sending end can |
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| 12:51.52 | metalfan_ | so my postfix needs to know about /etc/dovecot/passwd somehow |
| 12:52.01 | valdyn | metalfan_: no |
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| 12:52.26 | metalfan_ | but if gmx sends to port 25? |
| 12:52.27 | valdyn | metalfan_: or it needs to know your virtual users, but not the passwords |
| 12:52.50 | valdyn | metalfan_: why are you using virtual users anyway? |
| 12:52.55 | valdyn | metalfan_: this make it harder |
| 12:53.19 | metalfan_ | i know, i did setup a system that users my local user. under 5 minutes |
| 12:53.35 | valdyn | http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_mailbox |
| 12:53.41 | metalfan_ | s/users/uses/ |
| 12:53.43 | valdyn | metalfan_: i dont know postifx config |
| 12:54.08 | metalfan_ | ok, thx |
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| 12:58.40 | JyZyXEL | can an interrupted dd process be resumed? |
| 12:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 12:59.09 | JyZyXEL | why not |
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| 12:59.27 | nettezzaumana | hi all |
| 12:59.32 | nettezzaumana | uf. how can i print out how many seconds is in past some $date ?? (1.1.2006) |
| 12:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can copy the parts you didn't copy yet if you know what was copied |
| 12:59.40 | JyZyXEL | when i ctrl+c it i will see the how many bytes was transferred |
| 13:00.02 | JyZyXEL | and next time i start i just begin where the last process left |
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| 13:01.39 | JyZyXEL | but the thing is.. how? |
| 13:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | seek=X? |
| 13:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and skip=X? |
| 13:02.56 | JyZyXEL | 65594315264 bytes (66 GB) copied, 5268.34 s, 12.5 MB/s |
| 13:03.05 | JyZyXEL | thats what it printed after ^C |
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| 13:03.07 | cristi8 | nettezzaumana: maybe use %s format for current date and the desired date, and then make the difference ? |
| 13:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kinda slow |
| 13:03.23 | JyZyXEL | yes thats why i did it |
| 13:03.35 | JyZyXEL | their brand new 1TB hard drives |
| 13:04.07 | JyZyXEL | i want atleast 40 MB/s |
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| 13:04.26 | JyZyXEL | increasing block size to 56M |
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| 13:04.40 | JyZyXEL | default one is 512B |
| 13:05.06 | nettezzaumana | cristi8: thanks .. right .. but i can't still figure out howto print out a amount of seconds since any other $date |
| 13:05.19 | metalfan_ | valdyn, still working on the problem, but youre right that gmx talks to port 25...tcpdump |
| 13:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, did you think he's just making things up or what? |
| 13:06.01 | cristi8 | nettezzaumana: for example, echo `date +%s` - `date -d "2010-04-01" +%s` | bc |
| 13:06.07 | JyZyXEL | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sde bs=56M seek=65594315264 skip=65594315264 |
| 13:06.11 | JyZyXEL | would that work? |
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| 13:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, did you look at man dd? |
| 13:06.49 | JyZyXEL | yes |
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| 13:06.56 | metalfan_ | if i change settings in /etc/inittag when do these changes take affect? |
| 13:07.07 | metalfan_ | inittab |
| 13:07.13 | rvsjoen | inittab is read on startup |
| 13:07.16 | JyZyXEL | but it says BLOCKS |
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| 13:07.23 | JyZyXEL | 65594315264 bytes (66 GB) copied, 5268.34 s, 12.5 MB/s |
| 13:07.25 | JyZyXEL | that says bytes |
| 13:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly... |
| 13:07.30 | abrotman | metalfan_: depends on the change |
| 13:07.40 | metalfan_ | commented out a serial line entry |
| 13:07.43 | AlexC_ | I have a strange problem with Lenny, the console is constantly spitting out log messages (looks like /var/log/syslog). For example, I login and do 'nano foo' as I am edited that file, new log entries in that file will appear on the screen, meaning I can't see what I am typing |
| 13:07.49 | JyZyXEL | so i need a byte version of seek and skip |
| 13:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you need to calculate how many of your blocksize you have to skip |
| 13:08.16 | rvsjoen | or use bs=1 |
| 13:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you get it wrong, you'll bork your new disk |
| 13:08.49 | JyZyXEL | this is just begging for a more higher level tool |
| 13:09.23 | Titan8990 | what are you actually trying to do? |
| 13:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't like the short answer :) ... which was "no [if you have got to ask]" |
| 13:09.40 | JyZyXEL | copying /dev/sdb to /dev/sde |
| 13:09.59 | JyZyXEL | but i had to ^C it cause it was going so slow |
| 13:10.10 | JyZyXEL | so now i wanna continue the copy with a bigger block size |
| 13:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | got all that |
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| 13:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so divide 65594315264 by 56M and don't whine if you get it wrong and get a copy that's garbled in the middle |
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| 13:12.36 | JyZyXEL | 1171.3270582857142857142857142857 |
| 13:12.42 | JyZyXEL | great |
| 13:12.49 | JyZyXEL | i need to figure out a better block size |
| 13:12.58 | rvsjoen | 1171 then |
| 13:13.06 | JyZyXEL | haha yea right |
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| 13:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | really? I get 111.7 |
| 13:13.30 | rvsjoen | as long as you seek the same number of blocks on the out device |
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| 13:13.46 | rvsjoen | chances are slim that your previous copy stopped on a block boundary anyway |
| 13:13.53 | rvsjoen | so might as well to the whole previous block |
| 13:13.56 | JyZyXEL | no its not |
| 13:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, it was because I couldn't copy&paste |
| 13:14.12 | rvsjoen | on a 56M block boundary, it is |
| 13:14.44 | JyZyXEL | oh well it depends |
| 13:14.54 | JyZyXEL | what dd does when it receives a ^C |
| 13:15.30 | metalfan_ | postfix+virtual users: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/199188/ somehow postfix cant find my virtual user...why? |
| 13:15.31 | JyZyXEL | it might finish the byte its currently copying or it might finish the whole block |
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| 13:15.59 | rvsjoen | even if it finishes the whole block (512 byte block), it doesn't matter with that big of a block size (56M) |
| 13:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it did stop after a 512b block :) |
| 13:16.38 | JyZyXEL | oh yea it doesn't need to be accurate |
| 13:17.13 | JyZyXEL | as long as its not too much |
| 13:17.27 | rvsjoen | but seriously, as long as the skip and seek count is the same, and you are sure you didn't skip anything that was supposed to be copied, you can subtract a couple of blocks from the seek/skip count just to be sure to get the overlap |
| 13:17.34 | JyZyXEL | true |
| 13:17.50 | JyZyXEL | i can use any value between 0 and 1181 |
| 13:17.53 | JyZyXEL | 1171* |
| 13:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 13:18.01 | rvsjoen | probably, yes |
| 13:18.23 | JyZyXEL | all that matters is that input and output start from the same block |
| 13:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | 65594315264/1024/1024/56=1117.06 |
| 13:18.41 | rvsjoen | with that block size it should be fairly quick anyway, to give it a shot and run fsck afterwards :P |
| 13:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you divided by 1000 |
| 13:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and i say it's unsafe |
| 13:19.27 | JyZyXEL | its a device of a raid array :D |
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| 13:19.36 | JyZyXEL | i really should get it right or there is gonna be some problems |
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| 13:20.12 | rvsjoen | then do the whole disk with the block size |
| 13:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | either you want fast, of you want safe |
| 13:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's one of those life-type thingy choices |
| 13:21.25 | JyZyXEL | naw ill just do seek=1110 skip=1110 |
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| 13:21.43 | JyZyXEL | that won't be over 65594315264 bytes with 56M blocks |
| 13:22.00 | AlexC_ | I have a strange problem with Lenny, the console is constantly spitting out log messages (looks like /var/log/syslog). For example, I login and do 'nano foo' as I am edited that file, new log entries in that file will appear on the screen, meaning I can't see what I am typing |
| 13:22.32 | JyZyXEL | i might do a md5sum comparison on /dev/sdb and /dev/sde afterwards |
| 13:22.53 | JyZyXEL | which is gonna probably take FOREVER too |
| 13:23.50 | rdg | anyone know what packages I'm looking for if I want to monitor cpu/mobo heat/fans/etc |
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| 13:23.50 | rdg | seems like since I've installed debian my machine is turning into a little oven |
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| 13:24.09 | Titan8990 | rdg: lm-sensors |
| 13:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, actually M (which you used) is 1024^2 and MB is 1000^2 |
| 13:24.46 | JyZyXEL | really? |
| 13:25.11 | rvsjoen | really |
| 13:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | see what we can learn from manpages... |
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| 13:25.26 | JyZyXEL | lets see if its enough to make a difference |
| 13:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | just saying... you did the 1000/1024 mistake, who knows what mistakes I made in calculating it |
| 13:25.52 | JyZyXEL | thats why i left lots of slack |
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| 13:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | 7 blocks after I corrected your mistake, which resulted in an error of about 50 blocks |
| 13:26.42 | JyZyXEL | yea it doesn't make a difference but it comes damn close =D |
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| 13:26.58 | JyZyXEL | with seek=1110 |
| 13:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so 20% of the previous error is "lots of slack" |
| 13:27.12 | irong | anyone has default lenny apache with mod_php? can you pastebin your apache2 -t -D DUMP_MODULES ? |
| 13:27.15 | JyZyXEL | that would be 65GB |
| 13:27.24 | JyZyXEL | and i copied 66GB :) |
| 13:27.29 | Titan8990 | irong: what problem are you having? |
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| 13:27.51 | irong | Titan8990, wanna see the default modules enabled because im confused |
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| 13:28.18 | JyZyXEL | CutMeOwnThroat: using 'units' makes things easier |
| 13:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fif |
| 13:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | did |
| 13:28.54 | Titan8990 | irong: by what exactly? |
| 13:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | i used the unit "56M block" |
| 13:29.12 | irong | Titan8990, i just wanna see if my config matches the default enabled modules |
| 13:29.33 | rvsjoen | irong: http://dpaste.com/180860/ |
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| 13:30.13 | irong | is cgi_module (shared) needed? |
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| 13:30.19 | abrotman | a2dismod ? |
| 13:30.27 | irong | for a mod_php apache? |
| 13:30.32 | rvsjoen | I assume that would depend on your needs |
| 13:30.40 | f00li5h | hullo? |
| 13:30.58 | irong | rvsjoen, but it's enabled by default, right? |
| 13:31.10 | f00li5h | how do I stop dhclient running on all interfaces when run without an interface as an argument? |
| 13:31.14 | rvsjoen | everything there if enabled by default, except *maybe* mod_python |
| 13:31.23 | f00li5h | (sorry if i'm repeating... obviously having network issues) |
| 13:31.47 | toomasr_ | hi, I have a debian server X, when I do telnet X 25 from host A, I get the smtp hello, when I do telnet 25 from host B I get a connection that times out, besides /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow are there other ways how I might have "locked myself" out? |
| 13:32.06 | rvsjoen | iptables ? |
| 13:32.33 | toomasr_ | rvsjoen, hmm, I have not played with iptables so first reaction is not |
| 13:32.38 | Titan8990 | toomasr_: ^ and, can host B reach the machine at all? |
| 13:32.40 | hid3 | Hello. Anyone know some more information about the squeeze status and planned release date? |
| 13:32.49 | toomasr_ | Titan8990, yeah, ssh and http is working |
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| 13:33.19 | rvsjoen | !wwsr |
| 13:33.19 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
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| 13:33.39 | hid3 | Well, no new info then. |
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| 13:34.22 | Titan8990 | toomasr_: is this on a LAN or going over the internet? |
| 13:34.27 | toomasr_ | Titan8990, over the internet |
| 13:34.38 | Titan8990 | toomasr_: some ISPs block or filter port 25 |
| 13:34.46 | JyZyXEL | yay 45MB/s |
| 13:35.18 | toomasr_ | Titan8990, thx, i'll try to change the port of exim4 and see what happens |
| 13:35.22 | JyZyXEL | now thats pretty much what i expect from 2 hard drives in PCI SATA |
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| 13:37.33 | rdg | I should be able to edit .bashrc to export new environment variables on login right? doesn't seem to work unless I manually run bash after launching a terminal |
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| 13:38.40 | rimmele_mnm | Hi, can somebody help me with exim4? Problem is i get "451 Could not complete sender verify callout" if php will send mails to a specific host... for all other hosts it works fine... |
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| 13:41.15 | Titan8990 | rimmele_mnm: does the PTR record for your IP address match your servers hostname and MX records? |
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| 13:42.36 | toomasr_ | Titan8990, thanks! 25 was filtered, changed it and now accessible from the other host also |
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| 13:44.32 | rudi_s_ | ls |
| 13:44.35 | rudi_s_ | Sorry. |
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| 13:45.06 | Titan8990 | toomasr_: good to hear. it is required that it runs on 25 however it it recieves email from other SMTP servers |
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| 13:45.18 | rimmele_mnm | Titan8990: can you tell me how i can see it? |
| 13:45.38 | Titan8990 | rimmele_mnm: nslookup <your IP> |
| 13:45.52 | Titan8990 | dig -t MX <your domain> |
| 13:45.55 | ambuli | how can i install the same package version again , it shouts me that package already in the newer version. |
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| 13:46.03 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall foo |
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| 13:46.38 | rimmele_mnm | yes is the same |
| 13:47.02 | muraii | 'ello. Looking for python-glade2 source (not using Debian-based system). It defies my google-fu. Debian and its derivatives figure highly in search results though, so I thought someone here might have a pointer. |
| 13:47.22 | ambuli | abrotman, thanks, but i get the same message. |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | ambuli: apt-cache policy foo .. use paste.debian.net |
| 13:48.05 | ambuli | abrotman, sorry it works. :) thanks. |
| 13:48.09 | AlexC_ | I have a strange problem with Lenny, the console is constantly spitting out log messages (looks like /var/log/syslog). For example, I login and do 'nano foo' as I am edited that file, new log entries in that file will appear on the screen, meaning I can't see what I am typing |
| 13:48.13 | ambuli | abrotman, that was my mistake. :) |
| 13:48.21 | Titan8990 | rimmele_mnm: so ip address PTR -> computer FQDN and MX record hosntame -> computer FQDN? |
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| 13:48.53 | Titan8990 | sorry, I was actually trying to explain/ask that in a non-confusing way but looks like I failed |
| 13:49.03 | marcuy | I have a problem with apt-get while installing mysql-server, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/KpgXTNwt can anyone help me please? |
| 13:49.58 | Titan8990 | marcuy: I think your looking for #ubuntu |
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| 13:50.05 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 13:50.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:50.14 | f00li5h | hey |
| 13:50.55 | marcuy | Titan8990, isn't apt-get part of debian? |
| 13:51.11 | rimmele_mnm | Titan8990: yes |
| 13:51.12 | f00li5h | help |
| 13:51.17 | f00li5h | grr |
| 13:51.21 | abrotman | marcuy: Ubuntu provides you with your apt, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 13:52.12 | marcuy | abrotman, it's apt-get stuff should be almost the same on both distros |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | and they provided you with the mysql package that won't install |
| 13:52.18 | rimmele_mnm | Titan8990: is it possible, that the other host blocks the look ups for email addresses from my host... and that this is the problem? |
| 13:52.36 | abrotman | marcuy: this channel does not support distros based on debian, just debian. Go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 13:58.44 | Titan8990 | rimmele_mnm: no idea, that was the only idea I had |
| 14:00.21 | AlexC_ | I have a strange problem with Lenny, the console is constantly spitting out log messages (looks like /var/log/syslog). For example, I login and do 'nano foo' as I am edited that file, new log entries in that file will appear on the screen, meaning I can't see what I am typing |
| 14:00.48 | rimmele_mnm | Titan8990: thx anyway |
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| 14:01.52 | Titan8990 | AlexC_: I had the same problem too... came and went on its own. Seemed to occur after I configured rsyslog for remote logging. Have you done the same? |
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| 14:02.20 | abrotman | rimmele_mnm: do you know who runs the other system ? did you perhaps ask #exim ? |
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| 14:02.52 | AlexC_ | Titan8990, not that I am aware of. It's been like this for a very long time |
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| 14:05.34 | adb | Titan8990, nice , here rsyslog was for rotate logs , so not sure where the right is |
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| 14:06.27 | rdg | where's the default path set in debian? |
| 14:06.38 | rdg | or general environment variables |
| 14:07.01 | Titan8990 | rdg: which version? |
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| 14:07.39 | rdg | sid |
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| 14:07.46 | rdg | i'm assuming /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 14:08.02 | Titan8990 | rdg: there is a bug report about that, have a look through the BTS |
| 14:08.11 | Titan8990 | i just know that it is not /etc/profile as it should be |
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| 14:08.29 | Titan8990 | rdg: package: base-files |
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| 14:12.24 | rdg | Titan8990, as in the root account doesn't process /etc/profile? (it's working for my other accounts) |
| 14:13.05 | Titan8990 | rdg: search the BTS... |
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| 14:13.59 | Travis_Greatest | Travis IS DA BEST! All bow down to Travis! Travis rulez da land! |
| 14:14.03 | Travis_Greatest | Everybody look at Travis and tell him how great he is! Travis RULES! Nobody has the power, might and wisdom of Travis. |
| 14:14.07 | Travis_Greatest | No one is better than Travis! Travis is the way to go! Travis RULES! Travis AINT OUTDONE BY NO ONE! |
| 14:14.11 | Travis_Greatest | GO TTrraavviiss!! |
| 14:14.11 | Travis_Greatest | Travis IS DA BEST! All bow down to Travis! Travis rulez da land! |
| 14:14.15 | Travis_Greatest | Everybody look at Travis and tell him how great he is! Travis RULES! Nobody has the power, might and wisdom of Travis. |
| 14:14.19 | Travis_Greatest | No one is better than Travis! Travis is the way to go! Travis RULES! Travis AINT OUTDONE BY NO ONE! |
| 14:14.23 | Travis_Greatest | GO TTrraavviiss!! |
| 14:14.23 | Travis_Greatest | Travis IS DA BEST! All bow down to Travis! Travis rulez da land! |
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| 14:14.50 | HatToTheSIde | lmao |
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| 14:15.04 | abrotman | that's funny? |
| 14:15.25 | HatToTheSIde | just dont see the point in coming into a debian chat room to tell everyone how great you are |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | considering you couldn't control your IRC client last night, i'd say you're not one to laugh at others |
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| 14:16.32 | HatToTheSIde | i dont know what the deal was... i was afk for 4 hours and came back and it was doing that |
| 14:16.37 | rootmos | how do i tell that i want nfs v3 and not v2 as default? |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | tell what? |
| 14:17.05 | rootmos | configure |
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| 14:17.20 | rootmos | how do i export with nfs v3? from an ubuntu 9.10 i can not mount the exported fs without using nfs v2 i want v3 on my debian server. |
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| 14:23.18 | ido- | Can Apache2 'allowoverride' be set per user ? |
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| 14:28.40 | Titan8990 | ido-: its a directory option.. so per directory element |
| 14:29.01 | ido- | hrm. |
| 14:29.40 | ido- | is it recursive, meaning it will flow to subdirectories as well ? |
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| 14:30.22 | ido- | <Directory /home/ido/> AllowOverride ALL </Directory> |
| 14:30.22 | ido- | ? |
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| 14:35.26 | rdg | how do I query to see if a package or something like it is installed? |
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| 14:36.09 | abrotman | !tell rdg about grounding |
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| 14:37.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | does the iceweasel from the lenny-backports repo support html5? |
| 14:38.06 | axe | yes |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | ,versions iceweasel |
| 14:38.16 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.8-1; sid: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1 |
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| 14:40.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | if I'm using mplayer plugins for mozilla, should I disable the totem plugins? |
| 14:42.27 | JyZyXEL | doesn't dd write and read in a way that if it encounters errors it just keeps trying until it read/writes the data without errors? |
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| 14:46.12 | rdg | abrotman, there was nothing helpful in there |
| 14:46.27 | rdg | I did a quick google and a dpkg --help before asking that question and did not see a quick answer anywhere |
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| 14:46.36 | abrotman | rdg: then you didn't read ... |
| 14:47.04 | abrotman | rdg: there is *tons* of information in those factiods .. you're asking an extremely basic question that reading the man page for your package manager would be able to answer |
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| 14:48.17 | Rash_Pro | rdg: "man dpkg" for instance |
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| 14:51.28 | cdog69 | If I take an image of my brand new cpu clean install, how much space is the image going to take, the entire 20Gb HDD or just the used space? |
| 14:53.03 | Titan8990 | with dd it will take the entire 20gb. something like parted may be able to only take freespace |
| 14:53.13 | Titan8990 | file backups are recommended over disk images |
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| 15:07.52 | reeeeeesty | can you use tilda's in scp? |
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| 15:08.23 | reeeeeesty | i cant find anything about not being able to... just wanted to make sure i can |
| 15:08.57 | pngwn | reeeeeesty, why wouldn't you just try it? |
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| 15:12.52 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: No. See ddrescue |
| 15:13.10 | JyZyXEL | karlpinc: ddrescue does exactly the opposite |
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| 15:13.22 | JyZyXEL | it will skip errors |
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| 15:14.09 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: It may be a hardware thing. You just can't get the data out of the hardware. |
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| 15:15.07 | JyZyXEL | yea so dd is supposed to keep trying forever? |
| 15:15.30 | JyZyXEL | i mean it won't just skip data silently, right? |
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| 15:16.11 | JyZyXEL | cause im trusting it would tell me if it didn't get some blocks |
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| 15:17.28 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: I thought it'd die, unless you tell it to skip and keep going after error. |
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| 15:21.17 | JyZyXEL | karlpinc: and i think it will just hang forever |
| 15:21.25 | JyZyXEL | until the block it wants is available |
| 15:21.35 | JyZyXEL | we are talking about default behaviour here |
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| 15:22.14 | JyZyXEL | cause a really short bad contact on power connector related power outage didn't make dd quit |
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| 15:22.44 | wols | trist12trist12dd will either die (default) or will ignore errors (optional) |
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| 15:23.51 | JyZyXEL | wols: why didn't it die when the data was unavailable just for a short while? |
| 15:24.01 | JyZyXEL | didn't hit the required timeout? |
| 15:27.22 | JyZyXEL | i tried with a external USB drive and it seems to die when i yank the thing out while reading :D |
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| 15:37.58 | fas3r | what's the best way to do a smtp exim or postfix ? |
| 15:38.07 | fas3r | smtp relay* |
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| 15:39.25 | fas3r | what's the best way to do a smtp relay ... exim or postfix ? |
| 15:39.39 | Titan8990 | fas3r: that is about the same as asking what the best text editor is... |
| 15:39.48 | fas3r | ok |
| 15:40.11 | fas3r | well i dont know maybe someone is more easy to conf instead of the other |
| 15:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: Either one is complex and requires extensive reading of the documentation. |
| 15:41.04 | fas3r | ok |
| 15:41.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | I have a strange problem with lenny, when I press ctrl+f it'll open an x-term, but I didn't set this to happen and this overwrites firefox search function etc |
| 15:41.21 | Titan8990 | and email servers in general require an in-depth knowledge of DNS and SMTP |
| 15:41.24 | fas3r | well i will use exim is install by defaut so ... :) |
| 15:41.54 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: what WM/DE? |
| 15:42.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: gnome and yes I've a german interface |
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| 15:43.59 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: did you check system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts? |
| 15:44.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: yes, the open terminal shortcut isn't set |
| 15:45.19 | babilen | KaffeeJunky123: And it opens a xterm? |
| 15:45.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | babilen: yes |
| 15:45.52 | babilen | i.e. not gnome-terminal? |
| 15:46.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | babilen: yes it does not open the gnome-terminal but an xterm |
| 15:46.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | babilen: I've verified it in the process list |
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| 15:47.35 | babilen | Ok, one would think that Gnome would open gnome-terminal ... must be something you've changed |
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| 15:48.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | babilen: well I've no clue what I could have changed that would cause such a thing :O |
| 15:52.33 | adb | ls -al /etc/alternatives/ | grep x-term , get symlink to x-term used by gnome |
| 15:53.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 4. Mär 13:56 x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper |
| 15:53.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 4. Mär 13:56 x-terminal-emulator.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/gnome-terminal.1.gz |
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| 15:53.55 | flo` | hi |
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| 15:54.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | adb: so what do I do with that information now? |
| 15:54.32 | flo` | does a stock debian install do automatic updates or such stuff? |
| 15:55.01 | adb | KaffeeJunky123, well seems ok |
| 15:55.07 | flo` | my problem is: a WINEd program worked, then i rebooted, and then it stopped working |
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| 15:55.28 | flo` | i did no updates (by hand), and i did not change anything relevant to this program... |
| 15:55.43 | flo` | has anyone an idea why it suddenly stopped working? |
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| 15:55.51 | cahoot | no error ? |
| 15:56.10 | markl_ | where is the easiest place to get a debian squeeze 64 bit kernel to try out if i don't have squeeze installed anywhere? |
| 15:56.18 | cahoot | i e errormessage |
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| 15:56.30 | markl_ | i just want to try booting the kernel to see if it works, then i'll do a full install if it does |
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| 15:56.39 | flo` | cahoot, when i run it without WINEDEBUG set, there are no errors, no lines at all actually |
| 15:56.48 | NiLon | markl_ like virtual machine? |
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| 15:56.56 | wols | markl_: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:57.07 | flo` | when i set WINEDEBUG to warn+all, it tells me _lots_ of stuff i don't understand |
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| 15:57.21 | markl_ | NiLon: no it is some weird hardware that seems to hate the ubuntu 10.04 kernel |
| 15:57.30 | wols | flo`: unless you instapp apt-cron, no updates |
| 15:57.41 | flo` | but the last lines contain some problems with calling some GDI stuff with some nil values |
| 15:57.55 | wols | !tell flo` about errors |
| 15:58.38 | flo` | i'm afraid i can't give it you atm... my father's sitting on that machine and is under windows :/ otherwise i could simply start sshd :D |
| 15:58.46 | Sylphid|work | hey all, im trying to build a template lenny install and im trying to figure out how /etc/hosts is generated on first boot so i can mimic it but i can't seem to figure out how its done |
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| 16:06.28 | valdyn | Sylphid|work: theres not much generated content in that file |
| 16:07.14 | Sylphid|work | valdyn, im specifically looking for how the hostname gets added |
| 16:08.27 | Bop | Sylphid|work, u can skip search , rm /etc/hosts then generate your own |
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| 16:10.00 | Sylphid|work | Bop, yea i was getting ready to do that but i figured if there was a recommended command to run to do it i should go that route, thanks! |
| 16:10.20 | Bop | Sylphid|work, hostname |
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| 16:13.10 | Sylphid|work | Bop, my understanding was hostname only wrote to /etc/hostname and not /etc/hosts, is there something im overlooking? |
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| 16:13.49 | jhutchins_lt | Sylphid|work: hostname and hosts are for different purposes. |
| 16:14.08 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: he's asking how the hostname gets into /etc/hosts at install time |
| 16:14.13 | Bop | Sylphid|work, hostname can be redirected to /etc/hosts |
| 16:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I think that the installer writes to it. |
| 16:14.50 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 16:15.14 | ylluminate | what is the proper way to install the java jdk update 19 on lenny? |
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| 16:16.26 | \amethyst | ylluminate: probably by getting the packages from sid, assuming you're on i386 |
| 16:16.53 | ylluminate | okay, so what's the best way to do that? |
| 16:17.00 | ylluminate | yes |
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| 16:18.28 | \amethyst | Personally, I would download the .debs and install them with dpkg -i . You could add sid to your sources and set up your apt_preferences so that only the sun-java6-* packages get installed from there, but if you do it wrong you could end up getting a half-sid system, which will be nigh-impossible to fix |
| 16:19.29 | \amethyst | normally the first option would be a bad idea too (it's not likely to work for most packages), but it looks like the sun-java6- packages don't have many versioned dependencies |
| 16:19.39 | ylluminate | alright, understood. how do i get the path to the sid java pkgs? |
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| 16:20.43 | \amethyst | ylluminate: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6 |
| 16:21.04 | \amethyst | ylluminate: find the ones you need (at least -bin and -jre, possibly others---whichever ones you currently have installed) |
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| 16:22.10 | \amethyst | ylluminate: in the search page, each has a link to lenny, squeeze, and sid versions. Click on the sid version, and near the bottom of the page there will be links like 'amd64' and 'i386', or 'all'. The 'i386' and 'all' links link to the .debs you need |
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| 16:30.12 | qfr | I just tried to add an IPv6 address to my network interface (my provider gives me a /64): ifconfig eth0 inet6 add <blah> and it replied: Resolver Error 0 (no error) |
| 16:30.27 | qfr | What is the meaning of this? When I run ifconfig, eth0 still says IPv4 only, no IPv6 :[ |
| 16:31.16 | \amethyst | qfr: did you include /64 at the end |
| 16:31.48 | qfr | Nope |
| 16:31.54 | qfr | \amethyst I thought I could just pick one :( |
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| 16:32.03 | \amethyst | qfr: the manpage says add addr/prefixlen |
| 16:32.03 | qfr | With a funny hex name at the end. |
| 16:32.07 | qfr | Ah ok |
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| 16:33.03 | qfr | <blah>:dead:c0de/64 results in the same, am I forced to use <blah>::/64? :[ |
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| 16:33.53 | qfr | "No support for INET6 on this system." ah. |
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| 16:34.30 | adb | Sylphid|work, see http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/netcfg/base-installer.d/40netcfg ;http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/finish-install/finish-install.d/50config-target-network |
| 16:34.30 | qfr | modprobe ipv6 fails |
| 16:34.36 | qfr | I guess I need to apt-get something |
| 16:35.39 | qfr | uname -a says: 2.6.32.2-xxxx-std-ipv4-64 |
| 16:35.40 | qfr | Booo |
| 16:35.48 | mryanbrown | get the ipv6 kernel module? |
| 16:35.54 | mryanbrown | what version of debian are you running |
| 16:36.03 | \amethyst | that's not a debian kernel :) |
| 16:36.06 | qfr | squeeze/sid |
| 16:36.29 | mryanbrown | gg. no ipv6 support? |
| 16:36.43 | qfr | Bah gotta reboot the server with another kernel I guess |
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| 16:37.20 | mryanbrown | ipv6 is so fun |
| 16:37.25 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:41.34 | laurus | What flash player is recommended with Debian? |
| 16:41.57 | SparFux | swfdec |
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| 16:42.19 | SparFux | It's free player. |
| 16:42.37 | laurus | Thanks SparFux ! |
| 16:42.38 | laurus | :) |
| 16:43.05 | babilen | !tell laurus about flash |
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| 16:43.20 | babilen | laurus: Pick your poison :) |
| 16:43.26 | laurus | Thanks babilen :) |
| 16:43.27 | SparFux | hehe :-) |
| 16:43.33 | SparFux | Pick some free stuff. |
| 16:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I wouldn't call it "recommended" |
| 16:43.44 | SparFux | you may try gnash. |
| 16:43.49 | SparFux | !tell me about flash |
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| 16:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell SparFux -about selftell |
| 16:44.15 | babilen | loves the "me" in that command :) |
| 16:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | the free implementations all don't work properly |
| 16:44.19 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. |
| 16:44.20 | laurus | Which one do you think is best? |
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| 16:44.47 | wols | laurus: none that is in debian |
| 16:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps they improved since I last tried |
| 16:44.56 | babilen | laurus: Well, you can install the adobe flash player and most websites will work but it has horrible memory garbage collection (if at all) |
| 16:44.56 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, thanks for the hint :-) |
| 16:44.59 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Depends on what you surf and what your priorities are. |
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| 16:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
| 16:45.15 | laurus | jhutchins_lt, I'd just be using it for YouTube occasionally :p |
| 16:45.26 | SparFux | laurus: flash sucks. Point. I have only had trouble with it. I am so very looking forward to the html5 ogg video. |
| 16:45.38 | babilen | laurus: Try the free ones and if they work OK for you â stay with them |
| 16:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try if gnash does that.... |
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| 16:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, what babilen said |
| 16:45.50 | SparFux | laurus: if you get flash working with yourtube in linux someday, please drop me a note on it :-) |
| 16:45.58 | laurus | SparFux, yeah, me too! I have this friend who's a librarian and I told him all about HTML5 and OGG and the <video> tag, and hopefully his library will make all of their videos in Theora! |
| 16:46.11 | laurus | SparFux, it's always worked for me perfectly with Adobe Flash Player. |
| 16:46.17 | babilen | laurus: And you want html5 <video> ... </video> anyway :) |
| 16:46.24 | laurus | babilen, which free player do you recommend thne? |
| 16:46.25 | laurus | then? |
| 16:46.30 | SparFux | laurus: well, lucky you. So use flashplayer. |
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| 16:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | laurus, if you want most flash on the web to work for you, you need the "/msg dpkg adobe flash" one |
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| 16:46.46 | SparFux | Flash is trash. I hope I can ditch it asap. |
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| 16:47.28 | rgr | SparFux: you will. And a big thanks to Apple for sticking to their guns and not supporting it. |
| 16:47.29 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: I want flash, but FREE. |
| 16:47.52 | rgr | It will really unseat Adobe. |
| 16:47.54 | SparFux | rgr: and replace with html5 right? |
| 16:48.02 | SparFux | rgr: I hope so. |
| 16:48.15 | babilen | laurus: gnash |
| 16:48.22 | SparFux | rgr: I am trying html5 on youtube already, but it doesn't seem to work most of the time. |
| 16:48.23 | rgr | well, that remaoins to be seen. But no one who wants to be around in 5 years will ignore the iPhone/iPad user base. Would be suicide. |
| 16:48.45 | SparFux | rgr: so no apple support for flash. hm... |
| 16:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | SparFux, well, happy programming until gnash gets usable, then |
| 16:49.02 | rgr | SparFux: probably the crap open source players. They'll get better like they always do and hopefully not linger half arsed an dincomplete like the open video drivers and gnash etc. |
| 16:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you have to do that for FREE |
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| 16:49.30 | SparFux | rgr: you mean, apple may use open source players? Hell. Then this supports the flash crap. |
| 16:49.49 | rgr | No I dont. I mean the crop of html5 suport. Apple wont use flash. That is good. |
| 16:49.59 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, not so sure about that. On a political layer I can draw some money for doing "the right thing for the folks". |
| 16:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | good on yer |
| 16:50.35 | rgr | starts to get irritated by political rants from people who invariably contribute SFA themselves.... |
| 16:50.40 | SparFux | however, html5 video is much more powerful I feel. So why not ditch the flash. |
| 16:50.46 | epsilon | flash is a curse... it's actually only mpeg-video behind the flashplayer, so we just need new player-plugin system for mpeg like there was before flash |
| 16:50.50 | rgr | Why do you feel that? |
| 16:50.52 | SparFux | rgr: what is sfa? |
| 16:51.00 | rgr | Flash is plenty powerful enough. Just closed and crap on Linux too often. |
| 16:51.02 | SparFux | rgr: like the interactive video stuff and the like? |
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| 16:51.08 | mryanbrown | does youtube support html5 ogg yet? |
| 16:51.18 | SparFux | mryanbrown: it's beta, yes. |
| 16:51.25 | mryanbrown | thats a better option than flash |
| 16:51.26 | rgr | sfa is sweet f*** all |
| 16:51.27 | SparFux | mryanbrown: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 16:51.57 | mryanbrown | i knew html5 was beta, i didnt think they had media in ogg yet though to serve |
| 16:52.10 | rgr | html5 is miles away from being a flash replacement. |
| 16:52.15 | laurus | By the way, why is HTML5 going to be the standard rather than XHTML 2.0? |
| 16:52.20 | mryanbrown | not that far |
| 16:52.22 | SparFux | mryanbrown: they claim most content is avialable, but my experience is: it's not! |
| 16:52.26 | rgr | even considerinf the work to be done to convert existing media/sites |
| 16:52.31 | mryanbrown | WebGL and video support replace a lot of flash capabilities |
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| 16:52.44 | rgr | capabilities <> existing sites |
| 16:52.49 | mryanbrown | hah |
| 16:53.10 | mryanbrown | the platform is there |
| 16:53.16 | mryanbrown | someone just has to make sense of it |
| 16:53.32 | ko3 | http://debian.pastebin.com/RFXS9Vvy <- can i transform a bsdlabel to an msdos type mbr without dataloss? |
| 16:53.42 | rgr | Its like LInux is "capable" of being a good games platform with the current nvidia OGL drivers, but it really isnt most of the time for other reasons - primarily no one writes any decent games for it. CEDEGA does a good job though for many top shelf titles. |
| 16:53.54 | ko3 | i picked the wrong option in gparted |
| 16:54.04 | rgr | gparted is pretty damn good |
| 16:54.21 | SparFux | rgr: nvidia OGL? |
| 16:54.22 | mryanbrown | I think the only real game that ran on linux was UT2003 |
| 16:54.27 | SparFux | rgr: is it free software? |
| 16:54.33 | rgr | SparFux: of course not. |
| 16:54.53 | rgr | And I dont care - it works really well and finally I have dual screens and acceleration etc working. |
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| 16:54.59 | SparFux | rgr: well, the nouveau project has put 3D on my desktop. But it's still experimental. Though my games work great with it. |
| 16:55.01 | mryanbrown | lol |
| 16:55.05 | RichiH | how do i re-read all fibre channel LUNs i see via multipath? |
| 16:55.10 | rgr | SparFux: what games? |
| 16:55.19 | SparFux | rgr: hedgewars for example. |
| 16:55.26 | rgr | please dont say quake 2 or nexuiz. |
| 16:55.33 | valdyn | rgr: quake 2 |
| 16:55.35 | valdyn | rgr: quake 3 |
| 16:55.37 | rgr | hedgewars? Are you taking the mickey? |
| 16:55.44 | SparFux | rgr: I have run into trouble quite soon with closed source linux drivers. Seems I am too experimetnal to use those. |
| 16:55.57 | SparFux | rgr: What mickey? |
| 16:56.06 | SparFux | rgr: It's like the only game I want to play :-) |
| 16:56.10 | RichiH | rgr: sauerbraten |
| 16:56.14 | rgr | hedgewars is a silly little game thats dated about 20 years. |
| 16:56.22 | ko3 | i play openarena |
| 16:56.29 | \amethyst | nethack |
| 16:56.31 | RichiH | freeciv, wesnoth & ta spring |
| 16:56.32 | rgr | Or sauerbraten - way too old. Its ok but thats about it. |
| 16:56.39 | valdyn | doom 3 |
| 16:56.44 | RichiH | quake 4 |
| 16:56.52 | RichiH | world of goo |
| 16:57.05 | RichiH | rgr: if you mean that linux has _less_ games: agreed |
| 16:57.12 | rgr | sigh ;) OK thanks for the blast to the past! Fair play to ID - they normally release OGL clients and check it works on LInux but they recently said they wont do that anymore I think. |
| 16:57.16 | RichiH | none: no |
| 16:57.21 | RichiH | oh, the penny arcade games |
| 16:57.26 | RichiH | they work with linux, as well |
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| 16:57.54 | Touma | \m/ |
| 16:58.02 | Touma | funciono the shit |
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| 16:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone announce every game they ever played... |
| 16:58.06 | RichiH | rgr: if you are into RTS, give ta spring a spin |
| 16:58.11 | RichiH | they will mosh you ;) |
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| 16:58.16 | rgr | Err, yes I am saing it has less games. About 1% of "the other platform" - its not targeted. But I use a PS3 now for gaming anyway. Much less hassle. |
| 16:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you already have |
| 16:58.26 | rgr | RichiH: will do |
| 16:58.30 | RichiH | "primarily no one writes any decent games for it." |
| 16:58.39 | RichiH | that is what we all jumped up and down about :p |
| 16:58.44 | rgr | correct. the game swou mentioned were written for WIndows ..... |
| 16:59.00 | RichiH | all i listed run on linux natively |
| 16:59.03 | rgr | or based on the open source from Carmac and co. |
| 16:59.20 | RichiH | erm, no :) |
| 16:59.22 | rgr | And all about 8 years old. |
| 16:59.23 | RichiH | re-read my list :) |
| 16:59.27 | RichiH | again, no |
| 16:59.31 | rgr | I did.... What is new? |
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| 17:00.23 | RichiH | world of goo is about a year old. same for the penny arcae stuff. freeciv & ta spring are under active development |
| 17:00.25 | Titan8990 | quake 4 is only around 3 years old... |
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| 17:00.36 | \amethyst | Titan8990: five years |
| 17:00.43 | \amethyst | Titan8990: four and a half anyway |
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| 17:01.27 | mryanbrown | anyone know of a link, or specifically which file to read for setting up environmental variables for debian packaging, or how to specify a license, etc? the stuff not related to the actual package files, but setting up the environment |
| 17:01.33 | rgr | world of goo and penny arcade games. Sigh... OK. Look, I know theres some junky open games our there but lets not kid ourselves. I subscribed to CEDEGA for a reason. The BEST out there IMO "native" is nexuiz. That is very very good and polished. |
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| 17:01.44 | mryanbrown | and yes im at the maintainers guide |
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| 17:02.20 | \amethyst | I think RichiH forgot that only first person shooters are good |
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| 17:02.39 | RichiH | \amethyst: tried any of the games i listed? |
| 17:02.41 | Titan8990 | rgr: I subscribed to cedega also. I was very happy to find it ran source games better than the normal WINE, but was very disappointed when I was unable to get some of their "supported" games to work |
| 17:02.44 | RichiH | no? thought so :) |
| 17:02.53 | Titan8990 | rgr: civ4 for example... |
| 17:02.55 | \amethyst | RichiH: well, rgr was saying that World of Goo is 'junk' |
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| 17:03.12 | \amethyst | RichiH: and the FPSs you listed are too old, because they didn't come out this year |
| 17:03.15 | sdk_ | I've got sshfs set up and functining between two directories in /var/log. As root on both systems I can get into the dirs and view. As regular user on origin system I can cd into dir and view. As regular user on client system I cannot get into dir. ls -l shows d??????? for permissions. Does anyone have any ideas as to what is happening and how to resolve? |
| 17:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, that's such an easy mistake to make... :) |
| 17:03.42 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: not this year... this gaming "generation" |
| 17:03.44 | sdk_ | Err.. directories are on seperate systems.. fyi. |
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| 17:04.31 | RichiH | rgr, \amethyst: maybe our focus is different then. as i said: i am more than willing to agree that most titles are not released for linux. but to claim that no good games exist for linux and when you get counter-examples to first limit by age and then dismiss the rest out of hand is a... peculiar way to support your argument.. |
| 17:04.44 | calamari | hi |
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| 17:05.26 | Titan8990 | RichiH: linux is *especially* lacking in the RPG genre |
| 17:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdk_, you didn't give the command you were using to mount sshfs... but... you are aware that it wasn't really meant for multi-user use... |
| 17:05.53 | calamari | I had a bad sector on my disk which was causing some programs to fail, so I'm guessing it was probably a library.. anyhow, is there some kind of packaging command I can use to check each installed package for corruption? |
| 17:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdk_, I guess you did use -o allow_other? |
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| 17:06.00 | sdk_ | Titan8990: whaddya mean???? Nethack! |
| 17:06.17 | \amethyst | sdk_: nethack is not an RPG :) |
| 17:06.20 | Titan8990 | calamari: debsums |
| 17:06.47 | calamari | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 17:07.00 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: I would actually put in the "action rpg" category with the rest of the rogue-likes and dungeon crawlers |
| 17:07.03 | laurus | By the way, why is HTML5 going to be the standard rather than XHTML 2.0? |
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| 17:07.23 | sdk_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Hrm.. no, I didn't.. lemme check. |
| 17:07.24 | rgr | does the trackerd daemon really need 5 days to index my HD? it will release the other core soon wont it? Or does it always steal a whole CPU? |
| 17:08.11 | d3x | laurus, to allow messy code i guess |
| 17:08.20 | laurus | d3x, that's kind of what I figured ;) |
| 17:08.37 | laurus | I was shocked to find out a few days ago that most browsers aren't actually XML-parsing XHTML1.0 Strict! |
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| 17:09.02 | d3x | for me - it doesn't really matter what's it called ;) |
| 17:09.14 | laurus | Well, sure, it's just interesting :p |
| 17:09.29 | d3x | also, for browsers it's more important to render css properly |
| 17:09.52 | laurus | Yeah |
| 17:10.13 | d3x | i mean - there won't be that many changes to (x/y/z)html after all |
| 17:10.17 | laurus | True. |
| 17:10.50 | ylluminate | thanks \amethyst |
| 17:11.08 | sdk_ | CutMeOwnThroat: WOOT! BEAUTY! I have been searchign for hours.. AND I read the man page. How I missed that I have no idea. Thanks! Now perhaps I can get these logs to show up on my web page. Schweet. |
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| 17:14.11 | \amethyst | # [ -f /etc/passwd ] && echo "It's a file" |
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| 17:14.13 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:15.15 | Tortel | is there any way to upgrade gnome-volume-manager to 2.28 in sid? i want to remove hal |
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| 17:17.25 | adb | , versions gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:17.26 | judd | gnome-volume-manager -- etch: 1.5.15-1+b1; lenny: 2.22.1-1; sid: 2.24.1-4; squeeze: 2.24.1-4 |
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| 17:27.32 | rgr | Anyone here using a gui based music player on gnome/kde that can normalise tracks on the fly? I have to dump amarok from a workplace as its too buggy and resource hungry. normaliser - not equaliser. Any recommendations much recommended. |
| 17:27.48 | rgr | s/recommended/appreciated |
| 17:28.45 | devious | I think Audacious has a normalizer plugin. |
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| 17:29.03 | stuckey | How do I slow down the mouse speed? |
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| 17:29.35 | Z4ndX | Help... How do i umount a harddrive/filesystem if the drive/fs is busy ? .. |
| 17:29.46 | valdyn | Z4ndX: not |
| 17:29.50 | Z4ndX | ? |
| 17:29.56 | valdyn | Z4ndX: or eith -l , but thats still a not |
| 17:30.02 | valdyn | Z4ndX: or with -l , but thats still a not |
| 17:30.11 | Z4ndX | Whats a not ? |
| 17:30.20 | valdyn | Z4ndX: busy = cannot be unmounted |
| 17:30.38 | Z4ndX | Yeah.. How to i make it "unbusy" ? |
| 17:30.52 | valdyn | Z4ndX: end the processes that are keeping it busy |
| 17:30.56 | Z4ndX | Do i really have to reboot my system ? |
| 17:31.11 | stuckey | Z4ndX: check to see if you've any open terminals that you've used to work with that drive. |
| 17:31.18 | stuckey | If you do, close them, then try unmounting it again. |
| 17:31.24 | devious | rgr: Hmm... I might be confusing it with xmms, because I don't see a plugin in the repos. |
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| 17:32.03 | rgr | xmms does? |
| 17:32.05 | Z4ndX | Hmm is there a way to check witch programs are using it ? .. Its on my server. |
| 17:32.18 | valdyn | Z4ndX: fuser and lsof |
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| 17:32.31 | stuckey | Z4ndX: I don't know how. Tell me when you find out. |
| 17:32.32 | mederEsite | why would one get SSH2_MSG_IGNORE |
| 17:32.38 | mederEsite | when i try "su -" |
| 17:32.40 | abrotman | xmms is long dead |
| 17:32.44 | abrotman | long live xmms2? |
| 17:32.49 | rgr | Its for my bar and rhythmbox is driving me nuts - each cd has a different recording level - when you have 10,000 tracks on random it can be a pain ... |
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| 17:33.06 | luminoso_ | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/969355 <-- lol |
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| 17:33.56 | valdyn | rgr: rhythmbox has a normalize plugin |
| 17:33.57 | devious | rgr: It used to, but it's long gone from the repos. Audacious is it's modern equivilant, which is why I suspect I'm confusing the two. |
| 17:34.06 | valdyn | rgr: it does a few more things , called "ReplayGain" |
| 17:34.16 | valdyn | rgr: im not sure if thats in lenny though |
| 17:34.20 | jhutchins_lt | What package is the "strings" command in? |
| 17:34.32 | mvk | when im using my laptop with lenny, unhooked to UTP cable... i want it to go on WLAN |
| 17:34.42 | mvk | but if the eth0 is connected, i dont |
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| 17:35.12 | mvk | atm the wlan doesnt even work if eth0 is not down (ifconfig eth0 down) |
| 17:35.12 | valdyn | !ifplugd |
| 17:35.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. |
| 17:35.22 | mvk | thanks! |
| 17:35.42 | Z4ndX | valdyn: Thanks.. Where can i find fuser ? Not in repos |
| 17:36.12 | ko3 | Z4ndX basesystem |
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| 17:36.28 | Z4ndX | ko3: Its called "basesystem" ? |
| 17:36.49 | sdk_ | Z4ndX: apropos fuser |
| 17:36.49 | ko3 | no it is default installed on all debian systems |
| 17:37.03 | sdk_ | then man fuser |
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| 17:37.07 | Z4ndX | Okay nice thanks :) |
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| 17:39.31 | Ganymede | hi, i've found tons of links online for how to create hardlinks and how to hardlink duplicate files to save hard drive space...but nothing at all on how to do the opposite...if i have a directory tree with many duplicate files hardlinked to each other, how can i unravel all hardlink sets so every file is independent of every other file? (all files have a link count of 1)? |
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| 17:41.16 | Titan8990 | interesting question. likely better luck on #bash, as my guess is you will be writting a full script |
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| 17:44.12 | Ganymede | aww...i asked on bash yesterday with no response... =/ i guess i'll try again |
| 17:44.27 | Ganymede | but thanks for the response |
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| 17:44.46 | Titan8990 | Ganymede: I am curious though on what you are trying to accomplish with this |
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| 17:46.18 | Ganymede | Titan8990, well...i previously de-dupes using a program called hardlink ("hardlink -v -t") and now i added more files in that are dupes...hardlink program apparently skips dupe sets in its check so the new dupes won't get combined to the set |
| 17:46.28 | mvk | valdyn: i think the networkmanager in lenny sucks |
| 17:46.33 | mvk | do i have a alternative? |
| 17:46.54 | Titan8990 | for wireless... or? |
| 17:47.01 | mvk | yep |
| 17:47.03 | valdyn | !wicd |
| 17:47.03 | dpkg | methinks wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bpo>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:47.05 | Titan8990 | !wicd |
| 17:47.14 | Titan8990 | crap... valdyn wins |
| 17:47.19 | mvk | im currently use /etc/network/interfaces with wpa_supplicant |
| 17:47.19 | Ganymede | Titan8990, not only that, i think i should know how to unravel the hardlinks...since if i'm going to de-dupe using a hardlinker in that way, i better be sure i can undo it...since if you write to one file in a hardlink, they all change, and this might be undesirable, even if the files are identical at some point in time |
| 17:47.35 | valdyn | judd: versions network-manager |
| 17:47.36 | judd | network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8-1; squeeze: 0.8-1 |
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| 17:48.46 | Titan8990 | nm is bad for wireless IIRC... and so is standard interfaces. If I remember right neither offer way to include IP settings specific to an essid |
| 17:49.59 | mvk | how can it be Debian is so fck** awsome? :> |
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| 17:50.16 | Titan8990 | !why debian |
| 17:50.17 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:50.37 | valdyn | !why not debian |
| 17:50.42 | valdyn | oo |
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| 17:51.43 | Titan8990 | valdyn: that is also explained in the http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian link |
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| 17:55.28 | JyZyXEL | where should i take libata related errors? |
| 17:55.44 | JyZyXEL | their wiki says "post them to somewhere" |
| 17:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | How do I search for an individual file with apt? ie, whatprovides? |
| 17:56.06 | JyZyXEL | apt-file search |
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| 17:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: is there a way to do it with aptitude? |
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| 17:56.59 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 17:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | tnx. |
| 17:58.34 | mvk | im a shell user, aka runlevel 3 setup |
| 17:59.07 | mvk | if i start up, i want my laptop to connect to wireless if there's no eth0 connection |
| 17:59.50 | mvk | if i use ifplugd, that doesnt stop my wifi from being used when the eth0 is ON right? |
| 18:01.05 | mvk | thing im fighting with is, the WICD config ... it aint being used when im not entering X right |
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| 18:02.20 | f00bar80 | i'm on debian lenny how can i upgrade DBUS ? |
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| 18:03.35 | mvk | WICD works without X? |
| 18:03.39 | peterrooney | mvk: runlevel 3? |
| 18:04.08 | babilen | mvk: yes - wicd-curses |
| 18:04.48 | f00bar80 | lenny or sid is the last release |
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| 18:05.18 | jerome | the latest |
| 18:05.50 | f00bar80 | jerome, ? |
| 18:05.52 | mvk | babilen: but wil it make sure that my wlan is brought up after booting? |
| 18:06.03 | CaBa | f00bar80: lenny is the latest stable release |
| 18:06.10 | babilen | mvk: No idea - I use roaming with wpa_supplicant |
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| 18:06.24 | mvk | babilen:ok cool |
| 18:06.35 | mvk | !exim4 |
| 18:06.35 | dpkg | i heard exim4 is the default <MTA> in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:06.47 | babilen | !tell mvk -about msgthebot |
| 18:07.09 | f00bar80 | CaBa, sid still unstable |
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| 18:07.17 | mvk | babilen: that exim makes my bootup hang, is a mta needed for client mail? |
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| 18:07.34 | CaBa | f00bar80: sid is always unstable |
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| 18:07.48 | babilen | mvk: I use it for two reasons: (i) I like it and (ii) wicd and network-mangler don't support advanced setups (think RADIUS) |
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| 18:08.11 | CaBa | f00bar80: debian uses 'sid' as synonym for 'unstable' :P |
| 18:08.36 | babilen | !tell mvk about why an mta |
| 18:08.56 | mvk | babilen:im in love wtih WICD, it configures my interfaces properly i see, and even with runlevel-3 |
| 18:09.09 | mvk | so i leave my wpa_supplicant commented in /interfaces |
| 18:09.09 | babilen | mvk: You might want to enable bootlogd (/msg dpkg bootlogd) and try to fix your exim4 setup with out help |
| 18:09.30 | babilen | s/out/our ;) |
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| 18:09.33 | icebrain | hi, is popcon automatically selected by the normal installer (not expert)? |
| 18:09.33 | babilen | hehe |
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| 18:09.55 | icebrain | I couldn't find any info on google |
| 18:10.24 | peterrooney | icebrain: popcon's default mode is "no, don't report back" |
| 18:11.50 | icebrain | peterrooney: ok, thanks, that's what I thought. |
| 18:12.22 | icebrain | peterrooney: btw, is there any doc/release notes that state that? |
| 18:12.31 | peterrooney | the question comes up even if you have debconf priority set to critical. |
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| 18:14.09 | f00bar80 | CaBa, this is my apt-cache for NM, http://pastebin.com/Kd4ZdKx3 , it appears that the gdm package that's installed is trying to use functionality that's not present in the version of dbus that i have installed and that certainly cause issues like slower login, or failing programs after login, this my .xsession-errors http://pastebin.com/ggAKmPTY |
| 18:14.48 | f00bar80 | CaBa, so i'm asking if you can figure out any way i can fix this slow loading after login |
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| 18:15.12 | CaBa | don't ask me, ask the channel |
| 18:15.44 | f00bar80 | CaBa, k sorry, should i repost it |
| 18:15.53 | CaBa | no |
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| 18:18.14 | abrotman | f00bar80: or dbus isn't running ? |
| 18:18.52 | abrotman | f00bar80: in a pastebin 'dpkg -l libc6 gdm dbus' |
| 18:19.07 | ericpersson | whats the easiest way to install thunderbird 3 on lenny? the binary tar.gz doesnt work for me. :/ |
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| 18:20.03 | abrotman | judd: versions icedove |
| 18:20.05 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.4-1 |
| 18:20.11 | abrotman | awesome .. or something |
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| 18:20.44 | johnfg | Ok, back after the reboot and running aptitude update. |
| 18:21.46 | ericpersson | abrotman: icedove is just in 2.0 in lenny? |
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| 18:21.51 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 18:22.05 | abrotman | and icedove3 is only in sid .. and probably has a large list of dependencies |
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| 18:22.36 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: the binary tarball works perfectly fine for me |
| 18:22.41 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: what issues are you having? |
| 18:22.43 | funyun | is it possible to make it so a user cannot leave his home dir? |
| 18:23.00 | ericpersson | Titan8990: its really strange, I get a bunch of errors, INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 18:23.21 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: did you just install it to your home directory? |
| 18:23.24 | ericpersson | Titan8990: i googled, and many people refer to it beeing java-related, but the fixes doesnt seem to help.. |
| 18:23.26 | ericpersson | yes.. |
| 18:23.39 | johnfg | Hey guys, anything special I should be looking for while the safe-upgrade is going on? Like how many open, closed, defer, conflict? |
| 18:23.41 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: what version of java are you running? |
| 18:23.44 | ericpersson | Titan8990: install=unpack |
| 18:24.19 | ericpersson | Titan8990: java version "1.6.0_11" |
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| 18:25.12 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: openjdk or sun java? |
| 18:25.16 | babilen | johnfg: huh? What brings you here? Why don't you stay with us? (As we know what you are doing right now) |
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| 18:25.40 | johnfg | babilen: Cause I had to reboot! :-) I hate to leave y'all. |
| 18:25.49 | ericpersson | Titan8990: i think sun, Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_11-b03) |
| 18:25.59 | babilen | johnfg: /server irc.oftc.net and /j #debian |
| 18:26.01 | Titan8990 | johnfg: shell account + screen + irssi = win |
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| 18:26.51 | funyun | is it possible to make it so a user cannot leave his home dir? |
| 18:26.52 | johnfg | Not sure I follow. I couldn't keep up the connection during the reboot... |
| 18:26.57 | ericpersson | Titan8990: you think its worth shot to install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 18:27.11 | freaky[t] | anyone familiar with smartmontools? im getting: smartd: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel. in syslog and dont know what i should do - or if i should ignore this warning in the future? |
| 18:27.13 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: no, I am using sun java, but you are a revision behind |
| 18:27.26 | ericpersson | i am.. |
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| 18:27.31 | ericpersson | i'll update it.. |
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| 18:27.41 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_12-b04) |
| 18:27.59 | babilen | johnfg: I am just saying that it is better if you come back to oftc, because we know what you are doing right now |
| 18:28.17 | johnfg | Oh, instead of freenode? |
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| 18:29.09 | Titan8990 | johnfg: if you were already getting helped there, yes |
| 18:29.41 | babilen | johnfg: exactly |
| 18:29.48 | cheako | Helo, ne1 use an application for indexing optical media? I'd like to build a database of what is one each volume. Should I just make my own with find? |
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| 18:30.09 | johnfg | Only from you fine folk. |
| 18:30.12 | cheako | I'm also wondering about using par2, how would this work for an iso? |
| 18:30.34 | ericpersson | Titan8990: you seem to be behind as well, latest is 6u19.. damn updates.. :) |
| 18:30.36 | johnfg | Would you prefer me now to disconnect from freenode and connect to oftc? |
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| 18:31.15 | Titan8990 | johnfg: any decent IRC client should support being connected to multiple networks |
| 18:31.16 | babilen | johnfg: You don't have to disconnect, but yes please come back to oftc |
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| 18:31.22 | amphi | johnfg: you can be connected to both at once! |
| 18:31.25 | cheako | Would par2 work on a file system that was too badly damaged to mount? Obviously if I only par2 the data files that is all I'll be able to recover. |
| 18:31.48 | Titan8990 | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 18:31.48 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6-16-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6-17-1; sid/non-free: 6.19-1 |
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| 18:32.00 | cheako | An iso though can be rebuilt is you have the files... so it should just work, no? |
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| 18:32.12 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: uhh, what version of debian should you be running? |
| 18:32.35 | Mowee | Bonne soiree ++ |
| 18:33.58 | ericpersson | cat /etc/debian_version > 5.0.4 |
| 18:34.16 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: well, it sounds like your about mix some sid in if you have not already.... |
| 18:34.33 | Titan8990 | ericpersson: pastebin apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre |
| 18:35.32 | ericpersson | Titan8990: i downloaded the jre from sun directly, not the repo-one.. |
| 18:37.01 | ericpersson | Titan8990: moved my old /usr/lib/jre1.6.0_11/ to _old, and now it works.. |
| 18:37.04 | ericpersson | strange.. |
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| 18:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | pptp is adding a default .255 route, I need it to add a .0 route, but I can't find where it's specifying that. |
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| 18:49.29 | f00bar80 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/GjFVxiv4 |
| 18:51.01 | wols | I need to access a bluetooth device as a mass storage unit. anyone know what packages can do this? |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | f00bar80: your dbus is out of sync with the rest .. stop mixing versions of debian |
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| 18:52.51 | abrotman | f00bar80: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 18:54.37 | sbrothy | What package will give me the command line program "git"? |
| 18:54.58 | sbrothy | git-buildpackage? I'll try. |
| 18:55.02 | rgammans | sbrothy: git the scm or git the game ? |
| 18:55.10 | valdyn | sbrothy: git-core |
| 18:55.19 | sbrothy | git the scm |
| 18:55.20 | f00bar80 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/3BCyJxwq |
| 18:55.38 | rgammans | git-core as per valdyn then. |
| 18:55.43 | sbrothy | Ah yes. git-core. Thanks you guys. |
| 18:55.48 | sbrothy | or girls. :) |
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| 18:56.16 | sbrothy | Git the game? |
| 18:56.19 | sbrothy | googles |
| 18:56.25 | babilen | ,info git |
| 18:56.26 | judd | git (utils, optional): transitional dummy package which can be safely removed. Version: 4.9.4-1; Size: 11.9k; Installed: 60k |
| 18:56.30 | babilen | gah |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | f00bar80: well .. you now have a half-lenny/half-sid system |
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| 18:58.07 | rgammans | sbrothy: Nah, I meant gnuit - I had a brainfart and thought it was a game. |
| 18:58.42 | f00bar80 | abrotman, so what do you think i have to do ? |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | f00bar80: stop mixing versions of debian .. and oyu're clearly not ready to be running sid |
| 18:59.38 | f00bar80 | abrotman, so now how i can fix the issue i have |
| 19:00.38 | wols | reinstall |
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| 19:03.43 | sunmao | hi |
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| 19:03.58 | sunmao | i would like to install debian to my sheeplug but get this: http://pastebin.com/if2pMYHG |
| 19:04.19 | fruitwerks | well, looks like I need to go with debian lol - and I need to install it on top of gentoo |
| 19:04.55 | wols | sunmao: this is the output of what command? |
| 19:05.04 | sunmao | trought install |
| 19:05.12 | wols | sunmao: more info needed |
| 19:05.13 | sunmao | I hit Yes to partion method |
| 19:05.18 | wols | !tell fruitwerks about debootstrap |
| 19:05.20 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: debian lol is not supported here, we only have regular debian! Are you talking about a virtual machine, a chroot, something else? |
| 19:05.24 | sunmao | nothing extra |
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| 19:06.24 | wols | sunmao: why do you use testing to install? |
| 19:06.54 | Tapout | everytime my box gets 10MB/sec traffic or greater, the box goes down, network gets kicked out for a period of time it seems. Anyone know good sysctl settings for the network so that it dedicates certain amount of ram and won't have issues with busy traffic |
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| 19:07.12 | Tapout | network was knocked out for like 6 minutes this last time |
| 19:07.38 | wols | Tapout: this a desktop pc? |
| 19:07.51 | Tapout | no |
| 19:07.53 | sunmao | wols, it s a long story, i have got a sheevaplug I hatve tried with lenny yet but I got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397220/ when I tired to update |
| 19:08.07 | Tapout | 100Mb connected dedicated at softlayer.. cheap machine with only 2GB of ram |
| 19:08.16 | Tapout | whenever the pipe gets maxed, box will go haywire |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | sunmao: filesystem full ? read-only ? |
| 19:08.34 | sunmao | abrotman, filesystem ext2 |
| 19:08.47 | abrotman | doesn't mean it can't be full or read-only |
| 19:08.57 | sunmao | how can i see that? |
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| 19:09.45 | fruitwerks | jelly-home I have no access to the server, and it has gentoo on it right now |
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| 19:10.00 | yagoo | hi |
| 19:10.13 | sunmao | abrotman, i try it as root btw... |
| 19:10.59 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: best to ask again when you have more info |
| 19:11.39 | yagoo | i installed a while ago, a network_list dialog (bluebox pops) program was installed and can't manage to determine this package or which script is responsible for this. (i've tried looking with apt/dpkg and /etc/rc*), anyone ever used this app? just need to know the name for it.. |
| 19:11.39 | fruitwerks | more info? lol what do you need to know? |
| 19:11.50 | Tapout | any idea wols? |
| 19:12.38 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: uh... well, I asked one question so far, and you didn't really provide an answer. Do you want more questions? |
| 19:12.40 | sunmao | abrotman, wols ? |
| 19:13.13 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: what do you need debian for? Are you aiming to replace the current distro or keep it running? |
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| 19:14.10 | f00bar80 | wols, reinstall debian or just gnome ? |
| 19:15.04 | fruitwerks | oh ok.. well the machine has gentoo on it, and I need axe gentoo and go with debian, but I need kvm support, not sure how deb kernels work |
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| 19:16.22 | Vasistha | fruitwerks: have you googled for debian lenny kvm ? |
| 19:16.46 | fruitwerks | nope.. that is why I am here, I want to get the right one :p |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | sunmao: type 'mount && df -h' |
| 19:17.33 | sunmao | i cant now it s nothing on my partition |
| 19:17.55 | Vasistha | fruitwerks: the "right one"? go hit google and see what people are saying |
| 19:18.03 | sunmao | i would like to install debian now... |
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| 19:18.52 | fruitwerks | Vasistha - I also only have one system - so I need to run a few hefty apps on the main install and little stuff in the kvm's |
| 19:19.07 | jelly-home | judd: versions qemu-kvm |
| 19:19.08 | judd | qemu-kvm -- lenny-backports: 0.11.1+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.12.3+dfsg-4; squeeze: 0.12.3+dfsg-4 |
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| 19:20.30 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: there's apparently a version of kvm backports for stable debian. For a production environment, Debian stable release is likely the best base to build upon. |
| 19:20.32 | sunmao | now thishttp://paste.ubuntu.com/411191/ |
| 19:20.40 | sunmao | http://paste.ubuntu.com/411191/ |
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| 19:21.47 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: you will have to install a new enough kernel for kvm support (there's one in backports too, but is a slightly old 2.6.32, might have security issues) |
| 19:22.01 | abrotman | sunmao: i thought you already had debian ? |
| 19:22.18 | fruitwerks | 2.6.32 is new enough |
| 19:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | !maint pptp-linux |
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| 19:23.03 | dpkg | pptp-linux: Ola Lundqvist <opal@debian.org> |
| 19:23.07 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: assuming you only have trusted users on the host and there's no known guest -> host escalation issues, yes |
| 19:23.50 | fruitwerks | they will only be logging into their vm... |
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| 19:24.46 | sunmao | abrotman, I had a Lenny system, I copied the / by hand http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html I followed this, but when I wanted to update got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397220/ and the system never booted up again, I formatted the HDD and tried to follow this stuff: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html this is the automatic installer way |
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| 19:25.52 | Titan8990 | sunmao: I have mostly seen that type of kernel panic from fault memory |
| 19:26.01 | Titan8990 | s/fault/faulty |
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| 19:26.44 | sunmao | Titan8990, than its a hardver problem? |
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| 19:26.55 | abrotman | sunmao: is that the current one ? |
| 19:26.56 | sunmao | abrotman, what are u think about it? |
| 19:27.02 | Titan8990 | sunmao: not for sure, but I would look in to it |
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| 19:28.57 | fruitwerks | well looks like it is going to take 3 more hours to rsync... bbl |
| 19:29.40 | sunmao | abrotman, now its nothing on my hdd just the installer |
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| 19:30.08 | sunmao | i can copy back the / system but when I would like to try update i get the same thing (i tired many times ) |
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| 19:34.27 | sunmao | so no idea? |
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| 19:36.13 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 19:36.13 | dpkg | i guess arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 19:36.18 | beardy | !no idea |
| 19:36.29 | jelly-home | sunmao: try that channel (note, different irc network!) |
| 19:36.53 | sunmao | thx |
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| 19:40.17 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 19:40.32 | f00bar80 | abrotman, how to get a list of packages that are different on my system than is in lenny and then downgrade only those packages ? |
| 19:40.52 | DukeDrake | how can I change permissions of all directories and subdirectories, but not files? |
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| 19:41.19 | RQBand | myspace.com/item144 |
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| 19:42.22 | amphi | DukeDrake: find |
| 19:42.33 | DukeDrake | amphi: and pipe? |
| 19:42.59 | amphi | you can exec foo on what's found |
| 19:43.03 | Tramp | find ... -type d ... -exec .... {} + |
| 19:43.09 | DukeDrake | ah |
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| 19:43.17 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 19:43.37 | DukeDrake | what's the {} + for? |
| 19:43.56 | Tramp | man find, see under "-exec" |
| 19:44.11 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: it's part of the syntax. |
| 19:44.17 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 19:44.17 | dpkg | somebody said using find was http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 19:44.32 | DukeDrake | I'll go for the manpage =) |
| 19:44.40 | jelly-home | your loss! |
| 19:44.53 | f00bar80 | In a half-lenny/half-sid system, how to get a list of packages that are different on my system than is in lenny and then downgrade only those packages ? |
| 19:44.58 | DukeDrake | hehehe |
| 19:45.07 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 19:45.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:45.10 | Tramp | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind - the :8000 is no longer necessary |
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| 19:45.42 | jelly-home | Tramp: shorter by one character, though |
| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | no... two! |
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| 19:46.11 | Tramp | see. saves lots of electrons |
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| 19:46.49 | Tramp | ah, the old one. Bad. waste of electrons then |
| 19:46.49 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: i'd be surprised if the system wasn't mostly sid... |
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| 19:47.15 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: honestly, I would backup, reinstall, and restore |
| 19:47.20 | Titan8990 | !tell f00bar80 about aptitude clone |
| 19:49.15 | DukeDrake | cool, it worked |
| 19:49.17 | DukeDrake | thanx |
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| 19:53.35 | x86 | is it possible to have both a static IPv4 IP as well as a static IPv6 IP on the same interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 19:54.05 | x86 | seems they use the same configuration commands, was wondering how the init system would _not_ get confused? |
| 19:54.57 | x86 | (for example, "address 10.10.10.122", "address 2001:675:3f34:90b:cae4::1", "netmask 255.255.255.0", "netmask 64") |
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| 19:57.00 | jelly-home | x86: they are not in the same stanza, one will be iface xxx inet ..., the other iface xxx inet6 ... |
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| 19:57.35 | aguitel | what the best way to install google-chrome in squeeze? |
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| 20:02.09 | abrotman | f00bar80: you're going to have a very hard time doing that .. is this a server ? |
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| 20:07.35 | vsmatck | aguitel: There is a deb for google-chrome on their web page. The packages will add an apt source for itself to keep it up to date too. |
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| 20:09.04 | phogg | What is it that causes dhclient3 to start up? I've noticed that it seems "automatic" when my interfaces come up (or something like this) but I don't see it in init.d or any mention in /etc/network/interfaces. I know I say "inet dhcp" but what exactly causes a particular dhclient command to run? What if I need to use different switches? How do I (canonically) kill and restart it? |
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| 20:13.41 | Vasistha | phogg: the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d may have something to do with it, and I think "inet dhcp" in interfaces has a special trigger. I'm not sure, though, to be honest. |
| 20:14.18 | phogg | Vasistha: thought so too, but there is no dhclient mentioned in if-up.d or any other of the network .d dirs |
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| 20:14.38 | phogg | Vasistha: it is precisely this "special trigger" or documentation on it that I want |
| 20:14.40 | Vasistha | phogg: it may be running whatever's in /etc/alternatives then |
| 20:15.45 | phogg | Vasistha: interfaces(8) mentions the precedence and says dhclient is preferred to other dhcp clients, but I want to know why the specifc siwtches I see in ps are chosen (and where specified) |
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| 20:16.14 | Vasistha | phogg: yeah, I gather. have you investigated the configuration in /etc/dhcpd3 or whatever that directory is? |
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| 20:16.26 | jhutchins | phogg: I just use pkill dhclient to kill it, and dhclient or dhclient <iface> to start it. |
| 20:16.37 | phogg | Vasistha: grep -r dhclient3 /etc/ yields nothing interesting. |
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| 20:17.15 | phogg | jhutchins: yes, so do I, and this works, but... it bothers me to not know how this is really done. And I would like to always give it the same switches it had before killing it. |
| 20:17.39 | Vasistha | phogg: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 20:17.59 | jhutchins | phogg: dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 20:17.59 | phogg | Vasistha: I have looked in /etc/dhcp3/ and its subdirs but nothing obvious is present |
| 20:18.22 | Vasistha | well, ya stumped me |
| 20:18.23 | phogg | jhutchins: Where does this command come from? |
| 20:18.43 | phogg | heh, glad to know it's not obious and I'm just missing it... |
| 20:20.31 | jhutchins | phogg: that's from ps ax, but checking further it's handled by the ifup binary, which does dhclient3 -r -pf /var/run/dhclient.%iface%.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.%iface%.leases %iface% |
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| 20:21.18 | Vasistha | jhutchins: curious, how did you find that? |
| 20:21.49 | phogg | jhutchins: Oh? Same question as Vasistha from me, too! |
| 20:22.02 | jhutchins | strings! |
| 20:22.20 | Vasistha | ha! |
| 20:22.28 | jhutchins | I found ifup by looking in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 20:23.16 | phogg | I know ifup is run at some point and dhclient is run by it, somehow, but I want to know more specifically than "somehow"... |
| 20:23.22 | phogg | maybe it's hard coded into the binary |
| 20:23.32 | phogg | aha |
| 20:23.36 | Vasistha | yes, that appears to be the case, if you do strings /sbin/ifup |
| 20:23.45 | phogg | yes, just saw that |
| 20:23.49 | phogg | how utterly disappointing! |
| 20:24.01 | Vasistha | well, you can roll your own ifup :) |
| 20:24.19 | phogg | go go gadget apt-get source |
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| 20:26.16 | phogg | I assume there must be a reason for it to be this way, but it seems so inelegant |
| 20:26.25 | jhutchins | phogg: Yes, it's hard coded in the binary to check the if file and if it says dhcp then run dhclient3. |
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| 20:29.06 | phogg | what the hell is a .nw file, looks like some kind of tex... |
| 20:29.51 | Vasistha | phogg ``file myfile.nw'' |
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| 20:30.17 | phogg | graphviz graph text |
| 20:30.29 | phogg | seems also to somehow be either the documentation or source (or both) to ifupdown |
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| 20:31.23 | phogg | sigh. What happened to the days when everything was asm, c, or a shell script? I can't even tell what I'm looking at. |
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| 20:33.09 | xuser | it isn't? |
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| 20:34.33 | phogg | aha, a .nw is a noweb source file. |
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| 20:38.55 | phogg | runs screaming |
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| 20:42.29 | Vasistha | phogg: yeah, this is where open source kinda meets its limitation... if the source is impossible to understand and/or compile, where is the liberty in that? |
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| 20:42.43 | phogg | I can compile it |
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| 20:42.59 | Vasistha | so in your case the former |
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| 20:43.10 | phogg | but honestly... a critical system component is written in noweb, a language very few people can even read |
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| 20:43.44 | jelly-home | job security! |
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| 20:44.27 | phogg | if it had been c, c++, perl, python, shell, awk, etc, etc I would write now be hacking it for my purposes. Now... now I will just live with my annoyances. |
| 20:44.35 | Vasistha | at some point, I have to say I don't care what language it's in if the maintainer is responsive and responsible! |
| 20:44.54 | phogg | just-for-me changes, that's the answer |
| 20:45.05 | phogg | I just want to make the switches be configurable from a file! |
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| 20:45.41 | Vasistha | yeah, I remember I just wanted to increase the limit of stored email addresses in kmail up from 20 ... but I was never able to compile the damn thing |
| 20:45.59 | phogg | on the plus side it's pretty obvious how to add additional dhcp client commands, so I could add my own at priority 0 and make it be configurable |
| 20:46.50 | phogg | I can see it now! iface eth1 inet mydhcpwrapper |
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| 20:47.58 | babilen | phogg: "Literate programming is the art of preparing programs for human readers. " "Noweb â A Simple, Extensible Tool for Literate Programming" :-D |
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| 20:48.13 | linelevel | Hi guys, I'm trying to build ffmpeg in debian lenny using checkinstall, and it fails with the error "control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)". I did a `chmod -R 0755 ./` but it didn't help; i think it's maybe the temporary directory causing the problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 20:48.45 | phogg | babilen: sounds fine in a research program but the damned if statements come *after* the block. I suppose as a perl hacker I should not complain. |
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| 20:49.45 | phogg | Vasistha: to be fair kde is a big, big thnig to build. Have you tried this since they switched to CMake? I hear it got simpler (but now you have to learn cmake) |
| 20:50.23 | Vasistha | phogg: no. the furthest I ever got was building a custom konversation, which I happily no longer need but which was quite necessary for a long time |
| 20:50.43 | phogg | linelevel: perhaps it's a dir created as part of the build process. If your umask is restrictive this would cause a problem |
| 20:50.45 | Vasistha | phogg: that said, it should not be necessary to build the entirety of kde in order to roll a custom kmail |
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| 20:50.57 | phogg | agreed |
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| 20:51.31 | linelevel | phogg, sorry but i'm still a newbie. what mask? I'm not using FACLs or anything |
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| 20:52.04 | Vasistha | !tell linelevel -about umask |
| 20:52.07 | phogg | linelevel: umask, it controls what mode files and directories have by default |
| 20:52.14 | LaidBack_01 | heh, I just went on a trip down memory lane. Found a debian 2.0 "Hamm" disc which I downloaded April 29, 1998 at 8:26pm mst with WSFTP. heh... it's been a while ago ;) |
| 20:52.15 | phogg | or that |
| 20:53.02 | phogg | LaidBack_01: and the disc still worked? You'll never have any slacker cred if you keep things that tidy. |
| 20:53.52 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, it's still working. To be honest, it was in a jewel case. I found it at the bottom of a drawer in a file cabinet. |
| 20:53.59 | LaidBack_01 | but, it was protected ;) |
| 20:54.18 | jelly-home | I like the fact LaidBack_01 keeps the download date down to exact minute. |
| 20:54.35 | LaidBack_01 | well... I didn't write that on there, that was the wsftp.log file. |
| 20:54.59 | linelevel | phogg, hmm interesting, i think i understand what it does. But how can i use it to help me in this circumstance? |
| 20:55.12 | LaidBack_01 | my label was less precise... Debian 2.0 main is all it said. |
| 20:56.02 | LaidBack_01 | I recall this kinda - was in my folks house. Had just rebuilt win98 so that I could download debian and format my machine with it. I was just so sick of the constant problems. |
| 21:00.44 | linelevel | phogg, should i just run `umask u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx` in the current directory (that's 755) then run `checkinstall` again? |
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| 21:00.45 | jelly-home | linelevel: uh, that's 775 |
| 21:00.45 | jelly-home | 0775, even |
| 21:00.45 | linelevel | jelly, woops, typo'd, but yeah.. same question with g=rx |
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| 21:00.48 | phogg | linelevel: I'm not sure if it's legal to set the umask symbolically |
| 21:00.48 | LaidBack_01 | dowloaded this 571 mb disc over a 56k phone line. back in the days when I had patience. |
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| 21:00.48 | phogg | aha, but it is! |
| 21:00.48 | phogg | good to know |
| 21:00.48 | phogg | linelevel: doesn't matter what directory you run it in. It applies to you, not a file. |
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| 21:00.48 | linelevel | phogg, well i just ran that line (modified an exmaple on the wikipedia umask page) and it didn't throw any errors, but checkinstall still fails with the same error message... how do i unset that gid (2---) bit? |
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| 21:00.49 | phogg | linelevel: it would be better to test first that this could have been the problem by seeing what mode directories have when you mkdir. |
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| 21:01.44 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, is there no way to upgade the DBUS package ? |
| 21:02.05 | linelevel | phogg: `mkdir foo`, `ls -l` shows that foo/ has mode drwxr-xr-x |
| 21:02.42 | phogg | linelevel: aka 755 which means that this is not the problem |
| 21:02.58 | linelevel | phogg: well the problem according to checkinstall is that it has mode 2755 instead of 0755 |
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| 21:03.55 | abrotman | f00bar80: did you try? |
| 21:04.05 | f00bar80 | abrotman, how to ? |
| 21:04.09 | phogg | that's very strange |
| 21:04.26 | abrotman | f00bar80: maybe you should try setting your system to squeeze and rmeove all references to unstable and lenny .. |
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| 21:05.32 | f00bar80 | abrotman, and then run apt-get install gnome dbus ? |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | f00bar80: for the love of god .. use aptitude |
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| 21:07.44 | linelevel | phogg, if that's not the problem, do you know what else could it be? |
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| 21:08.01 | phogg | linelevel: nothing springs to mind |
| 21:09.07 | qwd | Anyone here use Revelatin password manager under Sid? I can't start it and I'd like to know if it's a problem in Sid or if I'm the only one experiencing this. |
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| 21:09.18 | qwd | *Revelation |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | i use it in squeeze, worked fine the last time i tried to start it |
| 21:09.27 | f00bar80 | abrotman, so i'll remove both sources for lenny and sid from sources.list and only i'll keep the one for squeeze , then run aptitude -i gnome dbus , is it correct ? |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | qwd: try running it from an xterm |
| 21:09.43 | abrotman | f00bar80: try it .. might explode |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | no worse than what you have now |
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| 21:10.17 | qwd | abrotman: oh, now it works. that's odd, no restart or anything. |
| 21:11.01 | abrotman | glad i could help ... |
| 21:11.17 | qwd | abrotman: yes, thanks :) |
| 21:11.19 | f00bar80 | abrotman, what's the apt source url for squeeze ? |
| 21:11.45 | macrobat | i cant unpause ncmpcpp without restarting mpd. i dont understand why it gets paused in the first place |
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| 21:12.12 | abrotman | f00bar80: where are you geographically ? |
| 21:12.50 | f00bar80 | abrotman, middle-east |
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| 21:13.26 | abrotman | more specifically, i'm trying to pick a mirror near you |
| 21:13.35 | abrotman | just the country is enough |
| 21:13.51 | f00bar80 | abrotman, egypt |
| 21:13.58 | abrotman | though i vaguely recall there aren't any |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | isn't that .. africa? :) |
| 21:14.38 | abrotman | "deb http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 21:14.51 | abrotman | and you also need "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 21:14.59 | amphi | heh, .za is near .eg ? |
| 21:15.02 | Vasistha | I think Egypt identifies more with the middle east than mainland africa, though it's on that continent |
| 21:15.06 | amphi | .de is nearer |
| 21:15.11 | abrotman | amphi: wasn't sure if they'd get in trouble for using .il |
| 21:15.19 | Vasistha | heh |
| 21:15.35 | Vasistha | well even if not, there may not be many cable connections ... |
| 21:16.01 | abrotman | actually .. .tr would have been much better, oh well |
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| 21:20.21 | dfinn | what's the correct way to disable ipv6 in squeeze? Google hasn't given me a difinitive answer |
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| 21:21.04 | Bop | Boa Noite srs e sras do SLB ! Mais informo que o voo com destino a lisboa se encontra em transito ... Porta de embarque nº -> <- |
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| 21:24.07 | bpgoldsb | I've got some new hardware which isn't supported in Lenny's kernel. Compiling the modules from source is easy enough. But I would like to do it with module-assistant if possible. That way if I upgrade kernels, the module is rebuild. Can anyone point me to docs for doing this? |
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| 21:25.14 | Tramp | !tell dfinn -about noipv6 |
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| 21:25.48 | MikePer | Hello. Someone here did compile compat-wireless for squeeze? I think it's not compatible with 2.6.33, can someone confirm that? |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | !tell bpgoldsb aboutkmuto |
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| 21:26.47 | valdyn | MikePer: 2.6.33 wont get into squeeze |
| 21:27.18 | MikePer | valdyn: oh right, sorry, 2.6.32 |
| 21:27.42 | babilen | bpgoldsb: You could either give more details, or just install a newer kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
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| 21:30.01 | f00bar80 | abrotman, still the same issue, that's what i got in .xession-errors http://pastebin.com/tqvuNpx8, after kept only the mentioned sources above then aptitude install gnome dbus and reboot |
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| 21:30.42 | abrotman | f00bar80: aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 21:32.05 | f00bar80 | abrotman, 0 packages upgraded, newly installed, to remove and not upgraded |
| 21:32.20 | abrotman | f00bar80: did you do an 'aptitude update' first ? |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | i did ask you ages ago if dbus was actually running |
| 21:32.49 | abrotman | also, try it as a new user |
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| 21:35.07 | f00bar80 | abrotman, yes dbus is running |
| 21:37.00 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: what is your current dbus version? |
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| 21:39.10 | sdk_ | Heh, pretty cool.. my php script crashed Epiphany. :) |
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| 21:40.04 | mohadib | howdy |
| 21:40.17 | mohadib | are solid state drives supported? |
| 21:40.21 | babilen | sure |
| 21:40.24 | mohadib | sweet |
| 21:40.51 | jelly-home | in as much as they feel and act like any other disk drive, yes |
| 21:40.57 | mohadib | nice |
| 21:40.57 | babilen | !tell mohadib -about ssd |
| 21:41.00 | mohadib | ty |
| 21:41.00 | babilen | !tell mohadib -about ssd limit |
| 21:41.04 | f00bar80 | abrotman, 1.2.1-5+lenny1 |
| 21:41.21 | babilen | mohadib: The last is important if you want to enjoy your ssb disk for a long time |
| 21:41.51 | mohadib | think ssd would be good to run a db on? |
| 21:41.55 | mohadib | pretty active db |
| 21:41.56 | jelly-home | gives babilen an X25-M Gen2 with trim support, but no userspace or kernelspace actually doing TRIM. |
| 21:43.01 | jelly-home | mohadib: postgres? oracle? |
| 21:43.05 | Vasistha | mohadib: active = lots of accesses or lots of transactions? It's the multiple writes that wear down an ssd |
| 21:43.06 | mohadib | mysql :\ |
| 21:43.23 | mohadib | well, i see the the wait state in top is always about 50% |
| 21:43.28 | jelly-home | mohadib: I don't call that a db! :-> |
| 21:43.31 | mohadib | im not real sure how often it hits the hardrive |
| 21:43.33 | mohadib | jelly-home: :D |
| 21:43.44 | mohadib | but the wait is caused by mysql |
| 21:43.59 | mohadib | we retrive about 10 million records at a time |
| 21:44.07 | mohadib | maybe once every 10 minutes |
| 21:44.08 | jelly-home | mohadib: use something like "iostat -x 1" to see if the disk is a bottleneck |
| 21:44.13 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 21:44.20 | mohadib | jelly-home: ok, let me try that now, thanks |
| 21:44.20 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here knows how to get http://www.devco.net/archives/2006/03/14/exim_vacation_messages.php working? |
| 21:44.59 | jelly-home | mohadib: average wait, service time and %util columns are interesting |
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| 21:45.48 | jelly-home | mohadib: sysstat package, fwiw |
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| 21:47.22 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: No, but check the "vacation" package :) |
| 21:47.27 | babilen | ,info vacation |
| 21:47.28 | judd | vacation (mail, extra): email autoresponder. Version: 3.3.0-0.3; Size: 13.1k; Installed: 68k |
| 21:47.28 | MikePer | Noone compiled compat-wireless for squeeze? I would be happy to get the ath9k_htc driver... |
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| 21:48.10 | eldowan | I'm currently playing around with tc (and tcng) for traffic shaping on sarge (I know way out of date). I know I must be blind, but I can't seem to find how to import / export the ruleset. Does anyone have a quick pointer? |
| 21:48.50 | mohadib | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/SYp7aipB |
| 21:48.56 | HardDisk_WP | babilen, uh, I wont see any mails that arrive? |
| 21:49.12 | mohadib | jelly-home: look like disk is the bottle neck? |
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| 21:50.58 | jelly-home | mohadib: sure seems to be a lot of small writes to it |
| 21:51.18 | mohadib | think a ssd would help then? |
| 21:52.25 | jelly-home | throwing hardware at an issue can't make things worse, if you've exhausted all the configuration tuning options |
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| 21:52.54 | mohadib | yeah, ill screw with the mysql settings and see if i can do anything |
| 21:52.56 | mohadib | thanks |
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| 21:53.03 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: Surely not - "man vacation" |
| 21:53.26 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: Be careful with mailing lists |
| 21:53.51 | HardDisk_WP | ah damn, what I need is a way to see the messages I get when I get back and have people know why i dont react |
| 21:57.22 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I want to make a .deb from a backport |
| 21:57.24 | [Jasper] | how can I do this? |
| 21:57.47 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: what do you mean "from a backport" ? |
| 21:57.59 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: do you mean you want to make a backport? |
| 21:58.19 | [Jasper] | I have the deb from backports in my sources |
| 21:58.31 | [Jasper] | now I want the newer drbd8.3 from the backports..but I don't want all the build stuff on my system |
| 21:58.43 | [Jasper] | so I want to make it on another system ... a .deb which I can transfer to the production server |
| 21:59.54 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: I'm not sure I understand... what's wrong with the .deb from backports? |
| 22:00.01 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: why can't you copy that one? |
| 22:00.45 | vsmatck | deb packages don't need to be compiled. They are binaries. |
| 22:00.54 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: oh, it's a kernel module.. |
| 22:01.06 | Cain | Hi, How to add a user to a group ? |
| 22:01.12 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: so you got drbd8-source from backports, you mean |
| 22:01.37 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: when you built the modules, it should have produced .debs, probably in /usr/src/ |
| 22:01.49 | [Jasper] | ah ok |
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| 22:02.06 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: they will require the same kernel version you built them for, though |
| 22:02.20 | [Jasper] | it's the same :P |
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| 22:03.37 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: unless they were built with dkms, anyway... but that's what m-a a-i does... it makes .debs, then installs them |
| 22:04.29 | \amethyst | dkms has a 'mkdeb' action, I think, but I haven't played with it so I don't know the details |
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| 22:04.52 | [Jasper] | hmm \amethyst it made a drbd8.tar.b2 |
| 22:05.26 | [Jasper] | bz2 |
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| 22:10.27 | [Jasper] | I don't see a .deb |
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| 22:14.40 | [Jasper] | can anyone tell me how to do this? |
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| 22:16.42 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: what exactly have you done? |
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| 22:17.44 | [Jasper] | Titan8990 i got drbd8-source from backport |
| 22:17.47 | [Jasper] | it's a mdoule |
| 22:17.48 | [Jasper] | module |
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| 22:17.54 | [Jasper] | now I want to make .deb so I can transfer it to another box |
| 22:18.36 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: is the package supossed to be built with m-a? |
| 22:18.47 | [Jasper] | how do I know? |
| 22:19.18 | [Jasper] | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/drbd8-source |
| 22:19.55 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: install the linux-headers-* package for the kernel you're using on the other machine |
| 22:20.00 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: I would say yes, since one of its depends is m-a |
| 22:20.51 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: then m-a -l '2.6.26-9-xyz' a-b drbd8-source where 2.6.29-9-xyz is that kernel version |
| 22:21.04 | \amethyst | err, maybe without the '-source' |
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| 22:21.27 | \amethyst | that should give you a drbd-modules-2.6.26-9-xyz package in /usr/src |
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| 22:22.14 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: I haven't tried it but looking at the manpage, shouldn't it be -k instead of -l? |
| 22:22.54 | \amethyst | Titan8990: you use -l to specify a version, -k to specify a kernel headers directory |
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| 22:23.09 | \amethyst | Titan8990: either works, but usually there's no need to do both |
| 22:23.17 | [Jasper] | so \amethyst I will do m-a -l '2.6.26-2-openvz-686' a-b drbd8-source? |
| 22:23.47 | \amethyst | [Jasper]: yeah, but I might be mistaken and it might need to be drbd8 instead of drbd8-source |
| 22:24.44 | [Jasper] | only 1 way to find out |
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| 22:25.14 | \amethyst | this is assuming that version of drbd supports that version of the kernel |
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| 22:25.39 | \amethyst | I believe a-b will install the linux-headers package you need; if not, you might need to install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-openvz-686 first |
| 22:25.50 | [Jasper] | yes, just did that |
| 22:26.19 | \amethyst | anyway, I'm off, but I'm sure someone else here can help if you run into problems |
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| 22:26.59 | [Jasper] | thanks anyways |
| 22:27.10 | jeward | Hi, I just did a netinstall of a 64 bit lenny and it isn't updating the kernel? |
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| 22:27.35 | jeward | Oh, nevermind. :-) |
| 22:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions kernel |
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| 22:27.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found. |
| 22:27.40 | jeward | can't read. |
| 22:28.59 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 22:29.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:31.46 | pickcoder | I've tried adding back a couple of devices that failed in mdadm, but it's just putting them back as spares and is not rebuilding. I'm unable to stop the array at this point and I can not remove the LVM setup onto of it. |
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| 22:32.08 | pickcoder | is there a way to force mdadm to put the drives back in as specific device numbers? |
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| 22:33.50 | LaidBack_01 | I had to so something similar about six months ago. Had to work with the UIDs on the drives in question. Made changes to the newone to look liek the old one as I recall. |
| 22:34.06 | pickcoder | they're the same drives |
| 22:34.16 | LaidBack_01 | sure, but the uid isn't |
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| 22:34.40 | LaidBack_01 | there's a unique ID on the drive that's set for each one - usually by filesystem or partition, I cannot recall. |
| 22:34.56 | pickcoder | originally, the 4th drive of a RAID5 failed and mdadm went to lunch completely |
| 22:35.00 | pickcoder | no mdstat or anything |
| 22:35.00 | LaidBack_01 | it's not normal to have to do that, but it's a way to get around it. |
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| 22:35.19 | LaidBack_01 | so... when you cat /proc/mdstat it's empty? |
| 22:35.32 | pickcoder | I was getting a null file before, yes |
| 22:35.42 | pickcoder | after I rebooted the machine it showed the last drive failed |
| 22:35.57 | LaidBack_01 | wow, that's pretty bad. okay, so it's back then. that's good. |
| 22:35.58 | pickcoder | so I removed it.. what's wierd is the same drive showed back up as a newer drive letter |
| 22:35.59 | rhineheart_m | hello! how to check if in CLI my other 2 SATA drives? |
| 22:36.01 | pickcoder | sde originally |
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| 22:36.04 | pickcoder | now it's sdf |
| 22:36.05 | LaidBack_01 | so, did you fail the drive becore you removed it? |
| 22:36.15 | pickcoder | mdadm failed it already |
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| 22:36.25 | pickcoder | when I added it back it started to rebuild |
| 22:36.37 | pickcoder | but it was rebuilding as a spare |
| 22:37.08 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 22:37.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 22:37.10 | LaidBack_01 | well, shit, that's better than nothing. I guess you are letting that happen and working towards a solution - hence why you are here. |
| 22:37.29 | rhineheart_m | I have 3 sata drives.. my concern is.. how to check if the system has abe to recognize those? what's the command please? thanks. |
| 22:37.29 | pickcoder | uh.. it's degraded at this point |
| 22:37.39 | pickcoder | I tried removing the fauly device number, which still showed up |
| 22:37.47 | pickcoder | --remove fault |
| 22:37.49 | pickcoder | --remove failed |
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| 22:37.55 | pickcoder | and 2 of the 4 disappeared |
| 22:38.24 | pickcoder | http://paste.debian.net/68078/ |
| 22:38.31 | pickcoder | it's totally fubar now |
| 22:38.45 | pickcoder | (and this all happened on a live database setup) |
| 22:39.06 | LaidBack_01 | so, it sounds normal... just like what the instructions say. |
| 22:39.15 | pickcoder | unfortunately, it won't rebuild |
| 22:39.15 | LaidBack_01 | anyway, let me read the pastie |
| 22:39.17 | pickcoder | and I can stop the array |
| 22:39.22 | pickcoder | s/can/can't |
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| 22:40.13 | LaidBack_01 | so... that's pretty scary. |
| 22:40.24 | pickcoder | I have no idea what to do at this point |
| 22:40.42 | pickcoder | I need to rebuild /dev/md0 with a new set of drives, which will probably end up being the same drive letters |
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| 22:40.59 | pickcoder | sdb->sde |
| 22:41.07 | LaidBack_01 | so... you did do this right? mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdb ? |
| 22:41.14 | LaidBack_01 | and then this: |
| 22:41.45 | LaidBack_01 | mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sdf |
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| 22:41.52 | LaidBack_01 | or whatever your letters are? |
| 22:42.00 | pickcoder | I used the --manage --remove / --manage --add version |
| 22:42.03 | pickcoder | and that's what you see |
| 22:42.11 | pickcoder | 2 spares |
| 22:42.12 | pickcoder | no rebuild |
| 22:42.27 | pickcoder | and it's adding the spare as the original drive ID# |
| 22:42.27 | LaidBack_01 | well.. were I in your shoes, i'd dump that db, and start over. |
| 22:42.37 | pickcoder | the data I don't care about |
| 22:42.37 | LaidBack_01 | something is definately off there. |
| 22:42.42 | pickcoder | I just can easily reboot the server right now |
| 22:42.47 | pickcoder | ~can't |
| 22:42.48 | apt | Yes I can! |
| 22:42.58 | LaidBack_01 | oh, okay |
| 22:43.03 | pickcoder | I need to clean up the lvm crap and rebuild the array |
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| 22:43.08 | pickcoder | but /dev/md0 is in use |
| 22:43.08 | LaidBack_01 | I thought you were worried about the db. |
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| 22:43.35 | pickcoder | even though it gives errors with pvdisplay lvdisplay and vgdisplay |
| 22:43.45 | SuperMiguel | why doesnt debian get some kinda of cert? |
| 22:43.57 | LaidBack_01 | because debian is not commercial |
| 22:44.08 | SuperMiguel | is ubuntu comercia? |
| 22:44.09 | LaidBack_01 | ubuntu is the effective commerical arm of debian |
| 22:44.12 | LaidBack_01 | yes |
| 22:44.14 | SuperMiguel | ohh |
| 22:44.29 | jhutchins_lt | ubuntu is not connected to debian. |
| 22:44.48 | SuperMiguel | what u mean by commercial? |
| 22:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu is a commercial distro derived from debian sources, it is NOT an "arm". |
| 22:45.11 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: There are certifications that are relevant to Debian, such as LPI |
| 22:45.11 | LaidBack_01 | ubuntu is totally based on debian - but not politically connected not. they put packages upstream etc. |
| 22:45.17 | rhineheart_m | what's the command to check if debian has recognized my other storage drives? |
| 22:45.56 | LaidBack_01 | pickcoder: I'm not sure. Guess I'd try to shut down the lvm daemon from init.d |
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| 22:46.05 | pickcoder | rhineheart_m: fdisk -l |
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| 22:46.21 | rhineheart_m | pickcoder: thanks |
| 22:46.22 | pickcoder | LaidBack_01: can't do that.. the main / fs is running LVM too |
| 22:46.46 | Hydroxide | LaidBack_01: Ubuntu is different enough from Debian that you shouldn't encourage confusion between the two. it's definitely true that ubuntu is based on debian, but please don't make people think that ubuntu "is" debian or "is essentially" debian because it's false enough that we don't support ubuntu technical problems here |
| 22:46.51 | pickcoder | I'm hoping I can clean it up after a reboot |
| 22:47.07 | Hydroxide | (and most likely #ubuntu doesn't support debian users' problems, though I can't speak for them) |
| 22:47.19 | LaidBack_01 | pickcoder: you know... when I really wanted to destroy and LVM and raid set, I went and fdisked the drives while in use. Probably a bad idea, but it was effective. |
| 22:47.22 | SuperMiguel | Hydroxide, is it? |
| 22:47.41 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: is what? |
| 22:47.54 | pickcoder | already tried that.. it's still showing up as spare |
| 22:48.18 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: the LPI cert is definitely relevant to debian - really even RHCE is relevant enough to debian since the test for that is hands-on and demonstrates sufficient knowledge of sysadminning, despite focusing on Red Hat |
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| 22:48.58 | LaidBack_01 | pickcoder: reformat the partitions with xfs or something other than ext3. it'll print a new uuid to the partion and make it screwy for both lvm and mdadm |
| 22:49.02 | pickcoder | there is no fs on it |
| 22:49.11 | SuperMiguel | Hydroxide, ummm i tough LPI is what ubuntu uses for its certs |
| 22:49.14 | rhineheart_m | pickcoder: http://pastebin.org/142061 How could I use them? |
| 22:49.17 | pickcoder | it's LVM space |
| 22:49.21 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: but LPI exams are vendor-neutral and are specifically made with Debian among other distros in mind |
| 22:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there something to convert pcl to postscript... err... can one convert pcl to postscript |
| 22:50.49 | LaidBack_01 | so put one each partition. quit treating it like LVM stuff and put filesystems on each partition that you don't want. XFS is fast to do that with. anyway, it'll break the lvm and the raid doing that. |
| 22:50.50 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: funny you should ask that |
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| 22:50.51 | pickcoder | I just ran across a major bug in GSPDL |
| 22:50.51 | pickcoder | you'll need to get the latest GhostPDL from the svn repos |
| 22:50.52 | SuperMiguel | Hydroxide, umm ill look at them.. are they better than linux + right? |
| 22:50.52 | pickcoder | the pcl6 command will convert PCL/PCLXL to raster and PS/PDF |
| 22:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | noooo |
| 22:51.21 | pickcoder | you'll have to hack the makefile and obtain a font directory to make it work until the next release comes out |
| 22:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffin that's in debian? |
| 22:51.25 | pickcoder | (or until it's patched) |
| 22:51.36 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: I'm not sure. honestly if you're doing this for job search purposes, most technical interviewers or technically knowledgeable hiring decisionmakers care more about your resume, interview responses, maturity, professionalism, etc than about any cert |
| 22:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, I'll just get the data again in postscript |
| 22:51.46 | LaidBack_01 | Hydroxide: fair enough. I use debian, mint and ubuntu freely in our facility. They have mild differences, but since they share a commonefilesystem layout and the same ideas in many case, I treat them all the same. |
| 22:51.46 | pickcoder | I don't think GhostPDL was ever packaged.. let me look |
| 22:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like |
| 22:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this looks like much mttiw |
| 22:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least for now |
| 22:52.27 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: a cert might be useful if you need to meet some bureaucratic HR requirement, but most certs (especially the ones that only involve a multiple-choice exam) are either neutral or negative in the eyes of most IT professionals I'm aware of |
| 22:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | Certs are seldom worth the time & money they cost in terms of getting a job. |
| 22:52.43 | Hydroxide | nods |
| 22:53.26 | pickcoder | I can e-mail you a Lenny binary if you want it |
| 22:53.48 | rhineheart_m | hello.. sorry for always asking here.. can anybody teach me on how could I format my other HDD? fisdk -l recognized them.. here's my pastebin http://pastebin.org/142061 |
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| 22:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, sure, that sounds cool |
| 22:54.08 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: Although Debian itself isn't commercial, people are free to engage in commercial activities relating to Debian; for example, companies as big as HP and as small as individual consultants will sell you Debian support, and many people will sell you discs containing Debian or books about Debian |
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| 22:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | rhineheart_m: Have you partitioned it the way you want it? |
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| 22:54.43 | Anura | i am having a problem with sem_open, not sure if it is debian specific, but when i try to specify permissions with other users with S_IRWXO in the mode when creating the semaphore, write permission is not set |
| 22:54.48 | Anura | i can verify with ls -l /dev/shm |
| 22:55.02 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: aside from RHCE I'm not aware of any Linux-related certs that require more than a multiple-choice exam. there are some worthwhile IT security certs, but that's more specialized |
| 22:55.10 | rhineheart_m | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.17 | Anura | any other users trying to open a named semaphore or shared memory object will thus fail |
| 22:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | rhineheart_m: mkfs is for formatting. |
| 22:55.41 | Anura | it just doesnt seem to be behaving as it should |
| 22:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | Anura: What release? |
| 22:55.58 | Anura | lenny |
| 22:56.42 | rhineheart_m | jhutchins_lt: how can I reformat my dev/sdb and dev/sdc? |
| 22:57.55 | babilen | rhineheart_m: Create partitions (cfdisk or maybe fdisk) and create filesystems on the partitions |
| 22:58.01 | Anura | is there a more debian dev specific channel here i might try in? |
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| 22:58.26 | LaidBack_01 | pickcoder: did you try putting an xfs filesystem on each of your drives? that should wipe out the uuids and make it so that mdadm/lvm cannot pick up the drives anymore. |
| 22:58.37 | Tommy\DO | How come I can't compile the unmodified banshee debian source package because of not sufficient dependencies? |
| 22:58.38 | rhineheart_m | babilen: can you guide me? |
| 22:59.03 | rhineheart_m | babilen: I'm still new to this concept.. I used to have only I disk before.. |
| 22:59.09 | Hydroxide | Anura: that doesn't sound like a debian-specific issue, fwiw |
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| 22:59.30 | Anura | well if its broken across all linux, it seems odd i cant find any other reports of the same problem |
| 22:59.40 | Hydroxide | Anura: I'm not sure what a general linux C development channel would be |
| 22:59.50 | Hydroxide | but there probably is one :) |
| 22:59.50 | Anura | if something as fundamental as semaphores arent working as they should |
| 22:59.51 | Hydroxide | on here |
| 22:59.56 | Anura | it just seems odd |
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| 23:00.26 | Hydroxide | I'd be very very surprised if that's a Debian-specific bug, though if you can isolate it as such please do report it of course |
| 23:00.51 | LaidBack_01 | rhineheart_m: here's a perfect link for you: http://tinyurl.com/ydcuehw |
| 23:00.58 | babilen | rhineheart_m: Well, it's pretty easy: "cfdisk /dev/sdb" --> create partitions to your liking |
| 23:01.31 | Hydroxide | most likely it's something specific about the details of what you're trying to do and the environment you've set up. anyway, I encourage you to find some linux C dev channel on freenode and ask there - #c or #linux would probably be good places to either ask your question or figure out where to ask it |
| 23:01.58 | Anura | ok ill try |
| 23:02.12 | Anura | google just isnt turning up anything |
| 23:02.19 | SuperMiguel | Hydroxide, non HR related... just want to learn |
| 23:02.22 | babilen | rhineheart_m: And then: "man mkfs.ext3 [options] /dev/sdbN" |
| 23:02.24 | Hydroxide | yeah, lots of problems aren't specific to google |
| 23:02.45 | jhutchins_lt | SuperMiguel: http://tldp.org |
| 23:02.49 | Hydroxide | SuperMiguel: I'd recommend taking a class that involves actual hands-on activities and evaluation by someone skilled |
| 23:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Classes are not easy to find. |
| 23:03.28 | babilen | rhineheart_m: don't give options if you are not sure that you need them - man mkfs.ext3 should provide enough information |
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| 23:16.01 | SuperMiguel | Hydroxide, yup ima member from that group.. i been using debian for few months now... im unfurtunally a windows.. and i learn alot when getting my ms certs... that why i wanted to get some kinda of admin certs from linux so to kinda shape my skills |
| 23:17.12 | babilen | rhineheart_m: got it? |
| 23:18.41 | rhineheart_m | babilen: Thank you.. I guess I got it.. check this out please for me.. http://pastebin.org/142096 |
| 23:19.57 | rhineheart_m | babilen: I bookmarked the link already for my reference later.. :) |
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| 23:20.58 | rhineheart_m | babilen: Do I need to fsck it? |
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| 23:24.06 | likevinyl | is away: ¿Han probado alguna vez a apagar la tele, sentarse con sus hijos y darles una paliza? |
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| 23:31.12 | Anura | http://pastebin.com/A4ShRuNn |
| 23:31.17 | Anura | there is a test case showing my prob |
| 23:31.30 | rhineheart_m | babilen: are you still there? |
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| 23:33.34 | \amethyst | Anura: you might want to clear your umask |
| 23:33.52 | Anura | hmm |
| 23:34.14 | \amethyst | Anura: open's mode is anded with the complement of umask |
| 23:34.23 | Anura | i see... |
| 23:34.24 | \amethyst | presumably sem_open works the same way |
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| 23:34.37 | a7x | hello :) |
| 23:34.48 | Anura | yes, sem and shm open use open()'s modes the same way |
| 23:34.52 | Anura | so that is prob it |
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| 23:35.23 | \amethyst | Anura: for future questions of this sort, if #debian can't help you might try ##posix |
| 23:35.44 | a7x | guys, i need to install c_ares (maybe ares.h) and perl_alloc(); |
| 23:35.49 | a7x | there is a package for them? |
| 23:36.01 | a7x | (alredy searched in apt-cache, packages.debian.org) |
| 23:36.14 | adb | !as |
| 23:36.14 | dpkg | it has been said that as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself . Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
| 23:36.18 | \amethyst | a7x: apt-file search ares.h -> libc-ares-dev |
| 23:36.27 | a7x | ok |
| 23:36.37 | a7x | thank you :) |
| 23:36.52 | Anura | umask -S shows u seem to be right, ill try that, thanks a bunch |
| 23:37.59 | \amethyst | Anura: of course you'd want to restore it afterwards, so something like mode_t oldmask = umask(0); sem_open(...); umask(oldmask) |
| 23:38.10 | nichos | hi all, im trying to install debian and going through both the graphical install and the text install I get a "failed to copy file from cd-rom" |
| 23:38.26 | nichos | the disc doesn't appear to have any damage, it's a new disc |
| 23:41.04 | nichos | im thinking it's a bios setting but not sure what |
| 23:41.07 | nichos | it's a sata drive |
| 23:42.16 | a7x | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz <- apt-file hates me? :P |
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| 23:43.49 | Titan8990 | a7x: that is not the correct link |
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| 23:44.12 | a7x | i saw, but i didn't touch sources.list |
| 23:44.22 | a7x | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 23:44.26 | a7x | this one should be ok |
| 23:44.51 | a7x | this is the other one: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 23:44.59 | a7x | apt-file shouldn't check both? |
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| 23:46.51 | \amethyst | does security.d.o even provide Contents files? |
| 23:47.05 | Titan8990 | it does not, I just verified |
| 23:47.11 | Titan8990 | a7x: ignore the warning |
| 23:47.15 | a7x | ok |
| 23:47.38 | a7x | apt-file is useful for files, but perl_alloc is not easy to find |
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| 23:48.04 | feroz_ | Hello |
| 23:51.47 | slingr | a7x |
| 23:51.50 | slingr | as in avenged? |
| 23:51.57 | a7x | yep :P |
| 23:52.01 | slingr | lawl |
| 23:52.09 | slingr | i've seen em live twice |
| 23:52.12 | \amethyst | a7x: it's probably in perl.h, which is in the package 'perl' |
| 23:52.21 | slingr | after sounding the seventh and then city of evil |
| 23:52.27 | slingr | don't like their new direction tho |
| 23:52.30 | \amethyst | a7x: /usr/lib/perl/<version>/CORE/perl.h |
| 23:52.41 | a7x | slingr you lucky, i never saw them |
| 23:53.01 | \amethyst | a7x: but AIUI you usually wouldn't be including that directly |
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| 23:53.17 | a7x | uhm \amethyst |
| 23:53.22 | a7x | something is wrong then |
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| 23:53.36 | a7x | checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no |
| 23:53.36 | a7x | configure: WARNING: perl was not found and thus disabled |
| 23:53.37 | \amethyst | ah, I am wrong |
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| 23:53.58 | a7x | perl is installed, ./configure can't find it |
| 23:54.00 | \amethyst | a7x: if you want to link against it you also need libperl-dev |
| 23:54.28 | a7x | oh, thank you, this should work :) |
| 23:54.35 | \amethyst | a7x: that contains the /usr/lib/libperl.so -> libperl.so.<version> symlink |
| 23:54.53 | a7x | finally everything is installed |
| 23:54.54 | \amethyst | a7x: in general, if you want to build stuff that links with -lfoo you need libfoo-dev |
| 23:55.12 | a7x | nice \amethyst, thank you :) |
| 23:55.14 | feroz_ | im getting this error: "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found on PATH." what could be wrong ? |
| 23:55.42 | \amethyst | feroz_: a recent squeeze install, by any chance? |
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| 23:56.01 | \amethyst | feroz_: I'm guessing /sbin isn't in root's PATH |
| 23:56.26 | feroz_ | I guess, i had still unstable in my sources.list |
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| 23:56.37 | \amethyst | feroz_: is it a recent install, though? |
| 23:56.37 | feroz_ | I checked, it's there, but there is no ldconfig in /sbin |
| 23:56.42 | \amethyst | feroz_: oh |
| 23:56.44 | feroz_ | nope |
| 23:56.58 | \amethyst | feroz_: that should be in libc-bin |
| 23:57.14 | \amethyst | feroz_: in unstable, that is |
| 23:57.43 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool similar to pfstat for linux. Thanks. |
| 23:57.53 | \amethyst | feroz_: in lenny it's in 'libc6' |
| 23:58.06 | feroz_ | i'll try to re-install it \amethyst |
| 23:58.07 | \amethyst | feroz_: your system is probably pretty broken if you're missing that |
| 23:59.18 | Titan8990 | there is a curren't known issue with root not getting a proper $PATH |
| 23:59.35 | Titan8990 | oh, nvm, that was checked already |
| 23:59.56 | feroz_ | mmm, i cant actually install anything using apt-get |