| 00:00.16 | Titan8990 | feroz_: is libc6 actually missing? |
| 00:00.34 | \amethyst | rudi_s: maybe netmrg + rrdtool? |
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| 00:00.57 | \amethyst | rudi_s: I'm not terribly familiar with them, though |
| 00:01.02 | feroz_ | iu libc6 - GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:01.03 | \amethyst | I'm sure someone here is, though |
| 00:01.08 | feroz_ | what does "u" mean ? |
| 00:01.08 | \amethyst | feroz_: which version? |
| 00:01.19 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: ntop if you intend to run it on the local machine |
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| 00:01.22 | rudi_s | \amethyst: Hm, it's webbased, I would prefer something light and simple |
| 00:01.36 | \amethyst | feroz_: status: unpacked, but not configured |
| 00:02.01 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: your example appeared web based when I looked it up |
| 00:02.13 | feroz_ | oh, i could do that with dpkg right ? |
| 00:02.19 | \amethyst | rudi_s: just rrdtool maybe |
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| 00:03.25 | \amethyst | feroz_: dpkg --configure -a to configure all packages that need it |
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| 00:04.08 | \amethyst | feroz_: though there's a decent chance it will tell you it can't because you need to install libc6-bin first |
| 00:04.28 | feroz_ | yes.. is there anyway i could download the bins somewhere ? |
| 00:04.31 | \amethyst | feroz_: now you can see why adding unstable to your sources.list isn't good unless you plan on upgrading to unstable |
| 00:04.54 | \amethyst | feroz_: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc-bin |
| 00:04.58 | rudi_s | \amethyst, Titan8990: Is there something even "lighter". I just want to collect the data, I could draw the graphs myself with a little scripting if possible.~ |
| 00:05.12 | feroz_ | i download the .deb and unpacked it, but there was no /bin dir. I know, but i forget to remove it after installing the package i need :/ |
| 00:05.19 | feroz_ | Thank you |
| 00:07.36 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: you don't have to run it on the local system. with things such as mrtg, rrdtool, and cacti, you can use SNMP and generate/host statistics on another box |
| 00:09.21 | rudi_s | Titan8990: I don't have much experience with that; but I'm just looking for a simple tool, nothing major. Does something like this exist? |
| 00:09.53 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: it may but I do not know of any, only web stuff |
| 00:10.16 | rudi_s | Titan8990: Ok, thanks anyway. |
| 00:10.18 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: there a cli real-time tools like iftop and iptraf |
| 00:10.31 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: they are meant to be used interactively though |
| 00:10.47 | rudi_s | Titan8990: Yes, I know them, but I want to collect the data for longer statistics. |
| 00:11.15 | Titan8990 | there is always tcpdump I suppose :p |
| 00:11.34 | rudi_s | A little too "light" ;-) |
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| 00:12.15 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: you may be able to use shark on the capture to get some statistics... I know wireshark can atleast estimate the speed of a connection |
| 00:12.40 | rudi_s | Titan8990: I will try that out, thanks. |
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| 00:16.39 | feroz_ | How could i go back to lenny's version of libc ? |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | you likely don't |
| 00:17.03 | Supaplex | with much hazard |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | feroz_: why would you need to do such a thing ? |
| 00:18.30 | feroz_ | I forget to remove repo for sid when installing a pckage, now it installed sid's libc, and i dont have ldconfig |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | you can force a downgrade .. ay or may not work |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | and without ldconfig .. i'd be very skeptical |
| 00:20.33 | feroz_ | mmm |
| 00:20.46 | feroz_ | i'll just backup things, and make a clean install :) |
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| 00:21.05 | abrotman | you could unpack it manually |
| 00:21.46 | feroz_ | i did get libc-bin from sid, but now i get: "FATAL: kernel too old" |
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| 00:22.15 | feroz_ | and the libc-bin package doesnt seem to exist on lenny |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | nope, does not |
| 00:23.10 | feroz_ | where should i look for it ? |
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| 00:31.23 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to correct this one? I did vgextend storage /dev/sdb1 No physical volume label read from /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb1 not identified as an existing physical volume Unable to add physical volume '/dev/sdb1' to volume group 'storage' ? |
| 00:32.06 | fruitwerks | so how do I make a kernel? |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | why do you need to ? |
| 00:33.18 | rhineheart_m | abrotman: is that for me? |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | no |
| 00:34.14 | rhineheart_m | abrotman: sorry.. I thought it is.. I just entered the channel :) |
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| 00:37.44 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: what are you expecting that to do? |
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| 00:39.15 | fruitwerks | . |
| 00:39.26 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I just wanted to extend a logical volume to my additional SATA drives |
| 00:39.32 | fruitwerks | how do I build a kernel? |
| 00:39.54 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: for fun? what purpose? |
| 00:40.14 | roe | anyone know what package I need to install to get my computer to recognize my iphone as a camera |
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| 00:40.30 | fruitwerks | Titan8990 - I'm installing on top of a Gentoo install... I doubt the gentoo kernel will work |
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| 00:40.36 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: you have an existing vg and you want to add /dev/sb1 to it? |
| 00:41.07 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: on top? you mean you are doing a debootstrap install? |
| 00:41.27 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: Yes! :) adding it to /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:41.43 | fruitwerks | Titan8990 - yes, I'm installing lenny on my 6gb swap... |
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| 00:42.06 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I reformated the sdb using fdisk then I used primary then.. code 83 |
| 00:42.27 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: I'm pretty sure that is covered in the debootstrap section of the install guide |
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| 00:42.47 | fruitwerks | should I bind mount /proc /dev and /sys and chroot in? ok well I can't find anything that explains that, do you have a link? |
| 00:42.49 | SuperMiguel | to change debian root password, i booted in single mode with init=/bin/sh but when i type passwd says incorrect command |
| 00:42.53 | Titan8990 | !tell fruitwerks about install guide |
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| 00:45.08 | Titan8990 | !tell SuperMiguel about forgot root password |
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| 00:46.11 | fruitwerks | crap.. I did arch=amd64 not arch amd64... think it worked? it didn't warn |
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| 00:46.58 | SuperMiguel | Titan8990, when i type passwd i get command not found |
| 00:47.03 | SuperMiguel | where passwd at? |
| 00:47.09 | fruitwerks | nice lol :( |
| 00:47.20 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: don't know, its just a shell script. the packages downloaded should have indications of their arch in the name |
| 00:47.38 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I reformated the sdb using fdisk then I used primary then.. code 83...am I doing the right thing? |
| 00:47.50 | Titan8990 | SuperMiguel: /usr/bin |
| 00:48.26 | fruitwerks | well I have a usr/lib64 folder - think I'm good |
| 00:48.31 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: you are not using vgextend properly. have a look at the manpage, specifically the example at the end |
| 00:48.53 | SuperMiguel | Titan8990, says same thing |
| 00:49.01 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I'm just following this how-to http://blog.timc3.com/2006/03/19/lvm2-and-adding-disks/ |
| 00:49.19 | Titan8990 | SuperMiguel: alright? so you don't have the file |
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| 00:49.39 | SuperMiguel | how can that be? |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | not running debian? |
| 00:50.36 | SuperMiguel | im |
| 00:51.09 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: ah, I read your initial command wrong. storage is the name of your vg? |
| 00:51.15 | SuperMiguel | something is not right... |
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| 00:51.59 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: nope.. its pve (I just modified it) |
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| 00:53.02 | feroz_ | well, thanks alot for those who helped me, it kindda works now ! :) |
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| 00:53.37 | SuperMiguel | my usr is empty :S |
| 00:53.48 | LaidBack_01 | Info: Processes 167 Uptime 9:18 Memory 650.0/2890.3MB Client X-Chat 2.8.6 inxi 1.2.6 |
| 00:54.05 | LaidBack_01 | gah... crap, sorry. meant to hit the x |
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| 00:54.17 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: but it was called storage when you ran "vgecreate storage /dev/sb1"? |
| 00:54.32 | Titan8990 | s/vgcreate/vgextend |
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| 00:55.25 | Titan8990 | SuperMiguel: if its on a seperate partition, you should mount it |
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| 00:56.00 | SuperMiguel | Titan8990, is there a way to mount all of it? |
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| 00:56.43 | SuperMiguel | nvm |
| 00:57.01 | digitalice | hi, how do i set debian to (testing) ... to install python2.6 |
| 00:57.21 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I ran vgecreate pve /dev/sb1 |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | aptitude install python2.6 |
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| 00:58.03 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: i think you need to first create a pv on /dev/sb1 with pvcreate before adding it to the cg |
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| 00:58.49 | digitalice | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "python2.6" |
| 00:59.22 | digitalice | lol |
| 00:59.30 | Titan8990 | ,versions python2.6 |
| 00:59.33 | digitalice | ive got to activate the testing |
| 00:59.33 | judd | python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1 |
| 00:59.46 | digitalice | eh? |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | digitalice: you've done sometihng wrong |
| 01:00.10 | digitalice | why? |
| 01:00.23 | digitalice | abrotman? |
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| 01:00.26 | grg | I'm playing with a debian nfs root on a mips device. I've unpacked the root filesystem from here: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/unpack.html and apt-get updated to the most recent etch. |
| 01:00.30 | Titan8990 | I think I understand the question now... you want to upgrade to squeeze so you can run python 2.6? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | digitalice: because squeeze has python2.6 |
| 01:00.57 | grg | Mostly works quite well. But I get this: "nfs: server 10.0.0.13 not responding, still trying" every second boot. without fail. |
| 01:01.13 | digitalice | abrotman: ive got debian 5.0 |
| 01:01.28 | grg | it always happens right after "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...done." in the boot process |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | !tell digitalice about lenny->squeeze |
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| 01:03.08 | grg | Can anyone think of why the udev script might bork my network connection every other boot? |
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| 01:03.35 | digitalice | how do i do this: emove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) |
| 01:04.04 | fruitwerks | wtf.. no kvm kernels |
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| 01:04.33 | Titan8990 | digitalice: delete all sources except for the main repo |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | and the security one |
| 01:04.58 | digitalice | Titan8990: how? :D |
| 01:05.03 | digitalice | noob at debian |
| 01:05.06 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: sorry.. I can't get it.. what do you mean with this? "i think you need to first create a pv on /dev/sb1 with pvcreate before adding it to the cg" |
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| 01:05.38 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: kvm support is in the default kernel |
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| 01:06.22 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: i mean vg (not cg). have a look at the pvcreate manpage. |
| 01:06.54 | Titan8990 | digitalice: its not recommended that you upgrade to testing unless you have decent knowledge of the packaging system |
| 01:07.00 | Titan8990 | !tell digitalice about testing |
| 01:07.22 | fruitwerks | Titan8990.. so I need linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64? |
| 01:07.30 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I didn't think squeeze got updates from the security team |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | it does |
| 01:07.45 | fruitwerks | err *.26-2... |
| 01:08.02 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: just get the metapackage, linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 01:08.09 | digitalice | lol |
| 01:08.17 | digitalice | i just want to install python2.6 |
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| 01:08.40 | digitalice | tell me what should i add to source.list to downlad python2.6 |
| 01:08.47 | dark | digitalice, maybe backports? |
| 01:09.15 | digitalice | dark: dunno what backports is |
| 01:10.02 | dark | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1711200/python-2-6-on-debian-stable-where-should-the-executable-go |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | there's no python2.6 in backports |
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| 01:10.17 | dark | digitalice, a repository for newer packages backported to stable |
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| 01:11.19 | digitalice | abrotman: what should i do? |
| 01:11.27 | dark | also, http://serverfault.com/questions/111337/how-do-i-install-python-2-6-on-debian-5-0-lenny-using-apt-get "A better way is a backport, but it's not straightforward to backport 2.6 to lenny apparently." |
| 01:11.33 | dark | ah |
| 01:11.51 | dark | ok, i don't know myself |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | holy crap .. stop telling him to do that |
| 01:12.54 | Titan8990 | yeah, that is bad |
| 01:13.00 | abrotman | digitalice: why do you need python2.6 ? |
| 01:13.02 | fruitwerks | wow.. so the kernels just 'install'.. no conf or anything? |
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| 01:13.34 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: thats right. even better than genkernel |
| 01:13.35 | digitalice | abrotman: because a web application |
| 01:13.40 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite fruitwerks |
| 01:13.40 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling fruitwerks, and when it's all done, fruitwerks runs no faster than previously |
| 01:14.10 | fruitwerks | I am used to spending like 2 hours configuring kernels |
| 01:14.31 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: it also runs an update-grub script (that you should verify worked in the chroot), so you do not need to roll your own menu.lst either |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | digitalice: which is ? |
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| 01:15.08 | babilen | digitalice: Alternative: compile it yourself, install to /usr/local, remove /usr/local/bin/python and use virtualenv/pip for package installations from the cheeseshop |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | or get a pbetter webapp ? |
| 01:15.34 | Titan8990 | babilen: I thought about mentioning that, but I don't think he will make it |
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| 01:16.07 | abrotman | really, going to squeeze would be easier |
| 01:16.29 | Titan8990 | abrotman: not if your running it virtual box :p |
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| 01:16.51 | babilen | Titan8990: Well, that is the easiest way to handle the situation if you want to stay with lenny. And these techniques should be well known to any Python developer anyway |
| 01:17.17 | babilen | digitalice: /msg dpkg stop - learn how to manage /usr/local in a sane manner |
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| 01:18.27 | abrotman | or he could use another distro that has python2.6 natively without going through all this |
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| 01:19.04 | babilen | absolutely |
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| 01:21.44 | distatica | I need to send emails from a shell script. What is the easiest way to do this? I use Gmail, and have Google Apps for my domain, is it best to just configure something like sendmail, is there something easier/better ? |
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| 01:21.51 | Maliuta | does anyone have experience dealing with dbconfig-common in maintainer scripts? |
| 01:22.31 | Titan8990 | !tell Maliuta about mentors |
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| 01:23.29 | babilen | distatica: Configure exim as smarthost using google's SMTP servers and use mail, sendmail, mutt, ... to send the mails |
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| 01:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but doesn't google use one of those pop-then-smtp authentification schemes like anyone? |
| 01:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | can a smarthost config deal with that? |
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| 01:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean that'd imply exim could act as a pop or imap client to get through auth |
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| 01:37.17 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: exim can do its own authentication, so i suppose its possible |
| 01:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | whaddayamean |
| 01:38.04 | Titan8990 | oh, google isn't pop-then-smtp, its just smtp authentication |
| 01:38.07 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: nah |
| 01:38.22 | simonrvn | i just an email to a gmail account |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 01:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, this sentence no verb |
| 01:39.46 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: ts auths based on auth info passwd.client by the default acls |
| 01:40.06 | grg | CutMeOwnThroat, email is a verb. As is sentence. :P |
| 01:40.09 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that was really bad.. |
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| 01:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | grg, "an email" is a verb? |
| 01:40.50 | grg | context shmontext |
| 01:41.49 | simonrvn | i just remembered that if you use a gmail account to send from, not sending local to them, then you do have to smp auth. |
| 01:41.59 | simonrvn | just sent* hehe |
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| 01:42.35 | simonrvn | smtp* |
| 01:42.45 | grg | Anyone know why the /etc/rcS.d/S03_udev script might break my network connection every second boot with an nfs root? (mipsel/etch) |
| 01:42.49 | simonrvn | say from mutt or tb |
| 01:43.07 | simonrvn | nope |
| 01:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, smtp authentication should be ok |
| 01:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't remember seeing that in use before |
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| 01:43.55 | simonrvn | same creds as the login for imap, so no biggie |
| 01:44.13 | simonrvn | they don't do sieve though |
| 01:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I've not used a freemailer for ... wazzit 8 years? |
| 01:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't even help others connect in that time :) |
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| 01:47.58 | fruitwerks | hope that worked :/ server takes forever to reboot |
| 01:48.40 | Titan8990 | bios? |
| 01:50.56 | fruitwerks | I guess... processor is so new I haven't even heard of it before |
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| 01:54.13 | fruitwerks | Pentium G6950 |
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| 02:10.32 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm booting up my Lenny machine, but it's gonna take a min to fsck |
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| 02:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, heh, I thought you had it around... didn't really want to cause you bother |
| 02:12.31 | SuperMiguel | to apply for sponsorship for the debcon i just fill out everything in the registration details? i dont have to do anything else? |
| 02:13.11 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: no problem |
| 02:14.00 | pickcoder | it's a great tool (now that it actually works) |
| 02:14.19 | pickcoder | it's been broken for a couple of release now and no one knew it |
| 02:14.24 | pickcoder | makes me wonder who uses it |
| 02:14.32 | pickcoder | other than myself |
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| 02:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you packaged it properly, can't you upload it to debian repositories? |
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| 02:15.14 | pickcoder | I'd have to find someone willing to upload it |
| 02:15.20 | pickcoder | I don't have time to become a DD |
| 02:15.27 | pickcoder | I could package it though |
| 02:15.27 | jesselang | Any reason why the bittorrents for testing aren't working? I get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 02:15.32 | adb | !mentors |
| 02:15.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 02:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the way this goes is you find a sponsor |
| 02:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sponsor |
| 02:16.09 | dpkg | sponsor is, like, a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 02:16.16 | pickcoder | adb: the typical answer is "I don't see any reason why I would want to accept some odd application when there's so many orphaned packages already" |
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| 02:16.40 | abrotman | jesselang: in general, use the netinst |
| 02:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... but... this, our future orphan is IMPORTANT!!!111 |
| 02:17.23 | jesselang | abrotman, what about stable? Those ISOs work, right? |
| 02:17.56 | pickcoder | no more often than Artiflex releases the GhostPDL/XPS suite I don't see any reason I couldn't repackage it when released |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | jesselang: maybe .. dunno .. use the netinst for testing |
| 02:18.30 | pickcoder | it's not a ton of files and they typically are very responsive in #ghostscript when I find a major problem |
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| 02:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | seriously... upstream of libemf is pretty much dead, but it works |
| 02:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 02:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | libemf is not in debian anymore? |
| 02:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, seems libwmf is |
| 02:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | how weird |
| 02:22.07 | pickcoder | I've been trying to find the fon2dbf convertor that used to come with wine |
| 02:22.53 | pickcoder | there's a bitmap font that comes with a terminal emulator we use on Windows. It has all of the extended ASCII chars used for line drawing. |
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| 02:23.30 | pickcoder | so far, none of the bitmap fonts, for console, render the traditional single and double bar box drawing chars |
| 02:24.23 | pickcoder | I've been thinking about packaging the wy60 emulator on sourceforge and including a Linux version of that bitmap |
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| 02:24.44 | laurus | Has anyone here tried GNOME Shell yet? |
| 02:25.29 | pickcoder | fon2bdf actually |
| 02:25.46 | abrotman | lots of peole, why ? |
| 02:25.57 | laurus | abrotman, I just switched to Xfce but I don't like it as much as GNOME |
| 02:26.10 | laurus | So I'm kind of wondering if GNOME 3.0 will be the disaster I kind of think it will be |
| 02:26.19 | laurus | Maybe I just fear change |
| 02:26.54 | laurus | There are so many things I don't like about Xfce |
| 02:26.57 | laurus | Unfortunately :( |
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| 02:27.19 | abrotman | laurus: you could try it in a vm ? |
| 02:27.32 | laurus | abrotman, yeah, good idea... tell me your opinion of it! |
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| 02:27.37 | laurus | Do you like it? |
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| 02:28.11 | pickcoder | 1.5TB array seems to be taking forever to fsck |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | laurus: my internet is f'ed .. i'm working on 56kbps .. i'm not downloading anything like that |
| 02:28.21 | laurus | abrotman, oh, I thought you meant you'd tied it |
| 02:28.22 | laurus | tried it |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | laurus: not me personally ... |
| 02:28.44 | laurus | Oh ok :) |
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| 02:29.17 | pickcoder | abrotman: you just can't bear to not hear the handshake once in a while |
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| 02:29.18 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 02:29.19 | User_007 | hey guys, i have tested lucid lynx and i see that it is a lot faster... i heard that it don't uses hal anymore |
| 02:29.56 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 02:29.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: oh yeah .. that's it |
| 02:30.19 | User_007 | i use squeeze amd64, there is a way to purge hal and use just udev? |
| 02:31.09 | pickcoder | abrotman: it's ok.. soon Google will have fiber runs to everyone's house |
| 02:31.10 | babilen | User_007: Hell, still at it? Just *do* it .. |
| 02:31.41 | User_007 | Titan8990, i don't want ubuntu support , i just used it to do a question |
| 02:31.52 | metalfan_ | all was running fine until i tried to install libasound2-plugin today....apt-get says that mysql-server-5.0 needs some packages as deps that are not installed. how can this happen? i mean all i did was the occasional "aptitude upgrade" ? |
| 02:32.17 | babilen | !tell metalfan_ about bat |
| 02:32.19 | User_007 | babilen, if it crush my system what would i do? |
| 02:32.33 | babilen | User_007: You would fix your system |
| 02:33.02 | babilen | User_007: Why the panic? HAL free systems are nothing to be afraid of ... |
| 02:33.05 | metalfan_ | !tell metalfan about localized_errors |
| 02:33.09 | metalfan_ | !tell metalfan about localized errors |
| 02:33.20 | babilen | !tell metalfan_ -about selftell |
| 02:33.24 | babilen | ;) |
| 02:34.03 | metalfan_ | now im not even allowed todo something myself |
| 02:34.36 | metalfan_ | you should include /msg blabla localized errors in the help from bat |
| 02:35.27 | User_007 | well i will try so... |
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| 02:42.40 | iateadonut | how can i figure out what package to install so i can modprobe ipt_state? |
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| 02:43.06 | helo_ | abrotman: welcome back! |
| 02:43.35 | helo_ | dpkg: console font |
| 02:43.35 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, helo_ |
| 02:43.47 | helo_ | dpkg: framebuffer |
| 02:43.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 02:43.52 | helo_ | sorry, moving to msg |
| 02:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, one underscore too many, though |
| 02:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, ah, actually not, just one more than he did |
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| 02:51.04 | fruitwerks | well the default kernel failed on my hardware... it couldn't find the NIC according to the DC - it's a Intel / Broadcom NeXtreme II |
| 02:51.32 | fruitwerks | so the were able to boot Debian with my previous gentoo kernel lol |
| 02:52.20 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: you can get newer debian kernels from backports that will likely have your needed drivers |
| 02:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 02:52.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 02:52.44 | fruitwerks | Glad you are here lol.. I'm going to do a manual install |
| 02:52.44 | Titan8990 | !tell fruitwerks about bpo |
| 02:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | fruitwerks, are we talking about an already running system or about a kernel on an installer cd? |
| 02:53.33 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: he did a debootstrap install |
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| 02:55.18 | fruitwerks | ok I'm on /dev/sda2 right now, that needs to be my swap.. how do I safely and properly move the system to /dev/sda3? |
| 02:55.39 | nsadmin | in pg-8.3.7 backported to etch (don't ask; can't upgrade yet), does the autovacuum start when the backend starts? |
| 02:56.26 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: you could just do another debootstrap install... you did just install |
| 02:57.18 | fruitwerks | I would rather copy.. I know it can be done easily.. and I did a bit more than a base install |
| 02:57.20 | simonrvn | debian pg runs the vacuum by default |
| 02:57.20 | nsadmin | fruitwerks: there is that... if you just installed you can install again... so you have no data that you composed and stored on that system? |
| 02:57.36 | simonrvn | autovacuum* |
| 02:57.41 | nsadmin | ok cool |
| 02:57.46 | nsadmin | thanks simonrvn |
| 02:57.48 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:58.18 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: if this svn branch ever downloads completely I'll have something to compile |
| 02:58.18 | fruitwerks | ./dev/sda3 is nearly clean, I moved everything to gentoo.old |
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| 02:58.53 | nsadmin | fruitwerks: "nearly clean"? it needs to be totally clean for this to be the easiest |
| 02:59.16 | nsadmin | and DO NOT erase the old one yet! |
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| 02:59.48 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: just rsync the files over, modify menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
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| 03:00.26 | fruitwerks | old install of gentoo is 'safe' on sda3. I can boot with no probs (other than having to use the gentoo kernel lol) |
| 03:00.26 | nsadmin | we want you to be able to boot and later reinstall grub after booting with your CURRENT grub which will not be possible if you erase too early |
| 03:00.53 | nsadmin | well |
| 03:00.58 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: he is a gentoo users, hes probably plenty used to being in not booting situations :p |
| 03:01.07 | fruitwerks | haha, actually grub was installed from centos |
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| 03:01.21 | nsadmin | well |
| 03:01.35 | nsadmin | I'm not getting into this without a lot more inof |
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| 03:01.37 | nsadmin | info |
| 03:01.47 | fruitwerks | what do you need to know? |
| 03:01.55 | pickcoder | that system is probably going to implode trying to decide what it is on boot-up |
| 03:02.20 | nsadmin | this thing that's "safe" on the partition you want to move debian to... what dir is it all in |
| 03:03.02 | fruitwerks | '/dev/sda3'/gentoo.old |
| 03:03.28 | nsadmin | "I'm a butterfly... NO I'm a centaur..." oh wait, I'm a horse with 3" wings..." |
| 03:03.35 | fruitwerks | lmao |
| 03:03.52 | fruitwerks | the hydra is pretty koo |
| 03:04.08 | fruitwerks | yeah sda3 has lost & found and gentoo.old on it |
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| 03:04.13 | nsadmin | ok, so it's contained. that dir won't be touched by a copy or by an install |
| 03:04.15 | laurus | How do I backport something from sid to squeeze? |
| 03:04.37 | fruitwerks | that was the idea :) |
| 03:05.04 | nsadmin | laurus either you just build the package, or you fix problems (which means YOU KNOW C) and build the package |
| 03:05.15 | fruitwerks | I did an rsync earlier, I moved 27gb of data - but my resulting dir was less than a gb, so my rsync skills are lacking |
| 03:05.20 | Titan8990 | !tell laurus about ssb |
| 03:05.22 | laurus | nsadmin, oh okay... |
| 03:05.46 | laurus | I need PyQt 4.7 rather than 4.6 for a program... alternatively I could drop down to 4.4 |
| 03:05.56 | laurus | Is it possible to downgrade PyQt to Lenny's version? |
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| 03:06.01 | fruitwerks | should I worry about building a debian kernel first? |
| 03:06.03 | laurus | forwardport it, so to speak? :P |
| 03:06.05 | nsadmin | laurus: the ssb (simple sid backport) assumes there might not be problems which require knowing a language |
| 03:06.17 | Titan8990 | laurus: backporting libs have a lot of potential to break other things |
| 03:06.25 | laurus | Titan8990, ok... |
| 03:06.32 | laurus | So maybe I should just live with this problem then? :P |
| 03:06.44 | simonrvn | same for forward-porting |
| 03:06.46 | nsadmin | fruitwerks are you running debian now? |
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| 03:07.08 | nsadmin | laurus: you can certainly try it |
| 03:07.20 | laurus | nsadmin, nah, I guess I'll just stick with this |
| 03:07.24 | fruitwerks | nsadmin yes, but lol - uname -a > Linux vs-root 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 #2 SMP Thu Apr 8 07:06:09 GMT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:07.29 | laurus | I just can't use one feature of a program, that's all... not a huge deal |
| 03:07.45 | nsadmin | what you'd be doing is building a package... you don't have to install it if you think the port didn't go well |
| 03:08.03 | pickcoder | wth.. svn keeps locking up |
| 03:08.17 | nsadmin | fruitwerks: in that case the kernel you have booting now, will work with the copy |
| 03:08.25 | fruitwerks | so as a Gentoo'er I have plenty of kernel building skills, but never done one for Debian |
| 03:08.34 | fruitwerks | agreed.. |
| 03:08.36 | nsadmin | you can tar your partition on over |
| 03:09.14 | nsadmin | (try to get the grub booting and reboot into it BEFORE erasing hda2 or sda2, whatever it is) |
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| 03:09.45 | fruitwerks | I think I want to build a Debian kernel first |
| 03:09.55 | nsadmin | be my guest :) |
| 03:09.58 | nsadmin | or be my host |
| 03:10.02 | nsadmin | hmm. no |
| 03:10.06 | nsadmin | be my guest host |
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| 03:10.25 | fruitwerks | haha.. |
| 03:12.43 | nsadmin | so here's what the shipped kernels have... they have initrd support built in, they have the filesystem used by the initrd built in, they have as much stuff modulized as possible (as little built in as possible) and they are built with a script |
| 03:12.49 | nsadmin | the script is called make-kpkg, it's in package "kernel-package" |
| 03:13.16 | nsadmin | part of the idea of it is it builds your kernel into a .deb which you install |
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| 03:13.45 | fruitwerks | heh.. thats kinda funny - but handy for portable kernels |
| 03:13.55 | nsadmin | ohyeah, |
| 03:14.15 | nsadmin | you build the kernel like that, and it will very likely work on all your same-arched machines |
| 03:14.16 | fruitwerks | did I break something? E: Couldn't find package make-kpkg |
| 03:14.27 | nsadmin | reread :) |
| 03:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... |
| 03:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 03:14.35 | fruitwerks | oh |
| 03:14.55 | nsadmin | cmot: he wants to :) |
| 03:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this still a case of gentooitis? |
| 03:15.05 | fruitwerks | already installed |
| 03:15.06 | nsadmin | yep |
| 03:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite fruitwerks |
| 03:15.12 | dpkg | spends 9 weeks recompiling fruitwerks, and when it's all done, fruitwerks runs no faster than previously |
| 03:15.35 | babilen | fruitwerks: Just use the stock kernel and do something productive with your time |
| 03:15.41 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:15.45 | babilen | !greenhouse |
| 03:15.45 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 03:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 03:15.48 | nsadmin | you're right, he has right now a kernel that works with his system (it might not be a debian kernel, but it works NOW) |
| 03:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:16.07 | fruitwerks | so can I grab the sources from kernel.org and use my .config from the gentoo kernel or heh.. sorry I can't find a lenny kernel guide |
| 03:16.17 | nsadmin | he can procrastinate |
| 03:16.31 | pickcoder | you should use the config from the lenny kernel, which you don't have installed |
| 03:16.42 | pickcoder | just install the kernel package and move on |
| 03:16.54 | fruitwerks | well, I do, but it failed to boot, no nic drivers |
| 03:16.59 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: the gentoo docs are fine for compiling a kernel on any distro. for debian specific kernel package building, view the kernel-package docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 03:17.02 | pickcoder | 2.6.32 didn't boot? |
| 03:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... I never felt this.... __urge__ to compile a kernel... I sometimes thought it was necessary, but as such not an overly pleasant experience |
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| 03:17.49 | pickcoder | fruitwerks: the other nice benefit of using the packages is that you can easily build and install modules from source using module-assistant |
| 03:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | fruitwerks, but did you try a 2.6.32 from bpo already? (as we suggested) |
| 03:17.57 | adb | fruitwerks, lspci -nn | grep Wi , |
| 03:18.02 | fruitwerks | 2.6.26-2-amd64 didn't boot |
| 03:18.04 | nsadmin | he can copy the system over, get it booting with his present kernel (assuming that's his only way of getting started), then reinstall grub if he wants to do that and go from there |
| 03:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say 2.6.26! |
| 03:18.21 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: I suggested the backports kernel |
| 03:18.29 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 03:18.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:18.36 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: it is .32 |
| 03:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we went through all that already 2-4 pages ago, Titan8990 |
| 03:19.00 | fruitwerks | .32 will be good |
| 03:19.06 | fruitwerks | yeah, sorry I missed something |
| 03:19.07 | nsadmin | fruitwerks, so you have a lot of choices |
| 03:19.14 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: and dpkg messaged you the bpo factoid |
| 03:19.14 | fruitwerks | I have the backports in my sources |
| 03:19.42 | fruitwerks | and updated and stuff |
| 03:20.12 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: aptitude install -t lenny-backport linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 03:20.24 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: lenny-backports |
| 03:20.48 | fruitwerks | ok and KVM support is in those sources? vitualization, not the handy gadget |
| 03:22.04 | pickcoder | it's modular |
| 03:22.14 | pickcoder | and it is enabled in the 2.6.26 kernel for 686 I have |
| 03:22.20 | fruitwerks | wonders if intel is pissed off cause all the kernels say amd64 |
| 03:23.50 | fruitwerks | ok Titan8990 - is this kernel going to boot? or do I need to manually configure it? |
| 03:24.03 | WormFood | intel is probably more pissed off they didn't come up with the dominant technology |
| 03:24.21 | babilen | fruitwerks: It'll boot |
| 03:24.35 | WormFood | but don't forget, "intel" is less than 1/2 of "intelligence" |
| 03:24.44 | babilen | fruitwerks: If you meant: Do I have to manually configure grub to use it |
| 03:26.00 | fruitwerks | will it work with the spankin' new hardware > Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet, Arrandale/Clarkdale DRAM Controller, Intel Corporation Ibex Peak everything else? |
| 03:26.11 | adb | fruitwerks, lspci -nn | grep Wi , says ? |
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| 03:26.41 | fruitwerks | I don't have lspci (pci-utils?) |
| 03:27.00 | adb | !install it |
| 03:27.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 03:27.29 | fruitwerks | *facepalm* |
| 03:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 03:27.59 | fruitwerks | I have been using Gentoo for 10 years - I will pick it up quickly lol |
| 03:28.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? I thought Gentoo is slow, because the machine is always busy compiling |
| 03:28.48 | fruitwerks | 03:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200eW WPCM450 [Hermon] - Winbond/Nuvoton [102b:0532] (rev 0a) |
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| 03:28.58 | babilen | fruitwerks: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 03:29.08 | fruitwerks | but I could have told you that - it is a headless machine anyway |
| 03:29.16 | adb | !BCM5716 |
| 03:29.16 | dpkg | [bcm5716] the Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716/BCM5716S Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express network controllers (PCI-IDs 14e4:163b, 14e4:163c). Supported by <bnx2> as of linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <proposed-updates>. For support of these devices during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and use lenny-custom-0116. |
| 03:29.36 | andrei | Anyone know how you render a generated Packages file into some sort of html? I've been looking for a little while now |
| 03:29.42 | fruitwerks | that is a sexy bot :) |
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| 03:30.45 | fruitwerks | why did we grep for 'Wi'? |
| 03:31.05 | adb | find wifi ? |
| 03:31.38 | fruitwerks | this is a server at a datacenter |
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| 03:31.54 | fruitwerks | so I would rather not screw up :) |
| 03:32.13 | fruitwerks | although trouble tickets appear to be resolved quicker at night lol |
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| 03:33.55 | fruitwerks | so vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 should do my hardware? |
| 03:34.39 | adb | boot it |
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| 03:34.59 | pickcoder | great.. trunk won't compile |
| 03:35.25 | adb | pickcoder, no more trunk |
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| 03:35.33 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: I've gotta grab a specific source release... it may take some time |
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| 03:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, don't do it... I thought you had it, else I wouldn't have asked |
| 03:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't plan to cause a load of effort there |
| 03:38.05 | pickcoder | I think trunk may be broken |
| 03:38.07 | fruitwerks | I don't know why this stupid server takes so long to reboot.. |
| 03:38.10 | pickcoder | which is not good |
| 03:38.52 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not a big ordeal.. what are you trying to convert? |
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| 03:39.25 | pinoyoragon | after i installed libnss-ldap i wonder why there's no /etc/libnss-ldap.conf file? i'm using ubuntu btw |
| 03:39.51 | adb | so ask # ubuntu |
| 03:39.57 | fruitwerks | :p |
| 03:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Just some spectra that I can print again... this time in postscript - it's really more that I like having all those vector-graphing tools together than a real need right now |
| 03:40.21 | fruitwerks | ... 4 minutes still waiting |
| 03:41.42 | fruitwerks | ugh |
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| 03:43.12 | pickcoder | argh.. what is the x-win devel meta package |
| 03:43.15 | fruitwerks | yeah think I need to do a manual kernel |
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| 03:43.23 | pickcoder | I really don't feel lik scrolling through 50 pages of results |
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| 03:45.28 | Nwallins | Hi, I am using Debian Lenny guest VM on Citrix XenServer host. When I bring up the VM, I can ping an IP on the LAN (e.g. 10.120.20.72). However, after /etc/init.d/networking restart, the same ping fails with: 'connect: Network is unreachable' I am not sure where to start troubleshooting, any suggestions? |
| 03:46.20 | pickcoder | <3 apt-file |
| 03:46.26 | fruitwerks | blames Citrix |
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| 03:47.53 | Nwallins | fruitwerks: quite possibly. Is there a way to determine whether this is the case? |
| 03:47.53 | zaltekk | am i correct to assume that the debian reference is the best thing to read for a slackware user who wants to try using debian for a while? |
| 03:48.10 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: trunk is compiling now.. I needed some X libs |
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| 03:50.15 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: pm me your e-mail |
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| 03:51.33 | \amethyst | zaltekk: the FAQ might be a better place to start, then those parts of the reference that don't cover things you already know |
| 03:52.15 | xuser | Nwallins: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:52.19 | Ajayk | Hello All |
| 03:52.26 | \amethyst | zaltekk: e.g. section 1 of the reference is probably all stuff you know |
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| 03:52.45 | Ajayk | I am having a problem with eth0 |
| 03:52.53 | Ajayk | I have eth1 installed on my server |
| 03:53.07 | Ajayk | I need to move all my IPs from eth0 to eth1 |
| 03:53.45 | adb | Ajayk, running debian ? |
| 03:53.52 | Ajayk | can I replave eth0 with eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces file and restart network services? |
| 03:53.53 | Ajayk | yes |
| 03:54.02 | Nwallins | xuser: http://pastie.org/910879 |
| 03:54.08 | zaltekk | \amethyst: okay. i am mainly looking for (1) package management, (2) debian-specific configuration files(and any scripts/programs), and (3) anything special about the boot process that might be useful |
| 03:54.50 | xuser | Nwallins: that's all? |
| 03:55.06 | xuser | Nwallins: add 'auto eth0' |
| 03:55.06 | Nwallins | yes, abcd.com is made up |
| 03:55.25 | Nwallins | ok, hm, makes sense |
| 03:55.41 | Ajayk | I need to move eth0 eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2 to eth1 eth1:0 eth1:1 eth1:2 |
| 03:55.48 | adb | !tell Ajayk -about 70 |
| 03:55.55 | Nwallins | i did a minimal ftp install, standard server, not much on top of that |
| 03:56.59 | \amethyst | zaltekk: ah, then the reference is the place to go, though there is some good info in the FAQ too (e.g. sections 6, 7, 8, 11 of the FAQ) |
| 03:57.56 | fruitwerks | well the 2.6.32 kernel failed as well |
| 03:59.12 | Nwallins | xuser: oops, not the full interfaces, 1s.. |
| 04:00.10 | Nwallins | hm, indenting got hosed: http://pastie.org/910879 |
| 04:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, I did! |
| 04:00.31 | f00li5h | meow |
| 04:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws a stone at f00li5h |
| 04:01.04 | f00li5h | I can't find anything in the dhclient docs to prevent it sending DISCOVER's on particular interfaces (or restrict it to one) except for the interface argument when it's run... is there one? |
| 04:01.08 | f00li5h | claws at CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:01.49 | \amethyst | zaltekk: there are some places where the reference is more detailed, some where the FAQ is more detailed, so it's good to read (at least some sections of) both |
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| 04:02.04 | xuser | Nwallins: comment the allow hotplug line and add eth0 to the auto line |
| 04:02.16 | peterrooney | f00li5h: why would more than that be necessary? |
| 04:02.28 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm at home now.. I was at work earlier |
| 04:02.56 | Nwallins | xuser: k |
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| 04:02.57 | Ajayk | adb: I don't need to rename interface name |
| 04:03.07 | xuser | Nwallins: 'auto lo eth0' |
| 04:03.09 | f00li5h | peterrooney: because it will fuck up eth1, for which my box is the gateway |
| 04:03.14 | f00li5h | if that IP changes, nobody gets internetes. |
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| 04:03.17 | f00li5h | dhclient does that. |
| 04:03.23 | Ajayk | I need to keep primary IP on eth1 |
| 04:03.36 | f00li5h | Ajayk: static! |
| 04:03.49 | Ajayk | yes |
| 04:04.07 | Nwallins | xuser: that fixed ping $LAN_IP |
| 04:04.11 | zaltekk | \amethyst: okay. i'll be sure to look over the faq first |
| 04:04.49 | xuser | Nwallins: anyway, man interfaces |
| 04:05.11 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: on the way |
| 04:05.15 | peterrooney | f00li5h: are you saying that running `dhclient $options eth0 ' changed eth1's settings? |
| 04:05.15 | Nwallins | xuser: hm, ok. is this the result of a sane (but unfortunate) default? |
| 04:05.34 | f00li5h | peterrooney: no, i'm saying # dhclient <enter> changed eth1's settings |
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| 04:07.04 | peterrooney | well, that's exactly what it advertises that it does when not given arguments. |
| 04:07.07 | Nwallins | xuser: to solve this, ultimately, why was the config file not set this way in the first place? |
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| 04:08.18 | peterrooney | f00li5h: man 5 dhclient.conf will help if you need specific behaviour for each interface. |
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| 04:08.52 | f00li5h | so, not configured by /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 04:10.44 | fruitwerks | why is "compiling a kernel" listing 8.3 in the manual? a bit deep if you ask me |
| 04:10.59 | peterrooney | f00li5h: /etc/network/interfaces can specify static address behaviour, not dynamic |
| 04:11.09 | f00li5h | peterrooney: what do you mean? |
| 04:11.20 | f00li5h | saying "static" should tell dhclient to leave that iface the hell alone |
| 04:12.32 | peterrooney | f00li5h: in a perfect world, maybe. I didn't design the system. Be thankful I didn't design it. |
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| 04:12.58 | f00li5h | well, you'd think "static" means just that |
| 04:13.07 | peterrooney | interfaces is, strictly speaking, intended to be used by ifup/ifdown. |
| 04:13.22 | iuri | on debian 5 every time i log in and type any character the system logs me out. How do fix that |
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| 04:14.35 | peterrooney | f00li5h: sorry, s/interfaces/\/etc\/network\/interfaces/ |
| 04:14.35 | f00li5h | peterrooney: who cares? debian fucks with other packages all the time |
| 04:14.48 | f00li5h | peterrooney: ffs, pick a different delimter when replacing things with / in them |
| 04:15.39 | pickcoder | fruitwerks: because most users don't need to compile the kernel on a regular basis |
| 04:16.06 | fruitwerks | I figured |
| 04:17.34 | f00li5h | peterrooney: so, which directive am I looking for? |
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| 04:22.16 | iuri | is there a way to create directories with long names |
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| 04:22.27 | f00li5h | iuri: how long? |
| 04:22.33 | iuri | sustainability-competitors-and-industry-structure-competitors-as-stakeholders-for-the-firm-s-and-the-industry-s-sustainability-multi-stakeholder-processes-and-industry-self-regulation-sustainability-and-stakeholder-management-in-industry-restructuring-mergers-and-acquisitions |
| 04:22.35 | iuri | that long |
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| 04:23.39 | f00li5h | why do you want to do that? |
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| 04:24.16 | iuri | i need to replicate and structure that is on the db to the OS filesystem |
| 04:24.28 | \amethyst | iuri: perhaps a different filesystem |
| 04:24.29 | f00li5h | then use the pk as the key |
| 04:24.44 | iuri | so, some nonsense guy created this long name to a directory |
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| 04:25.13 | \amethyst | iuri: ext2,3,4 only go up to 255 char filenames |
| 04:25.29 | iuri | f00li5h, i cant! the pk will be unknown by the users |
| 04:25.47 | f00li5h | how about a text file with $id: $name |
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| 04:26.18 | iuri | f00li5h, what do you mean |
| 04:26.30 | f00li5h | a text file |
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| 04:26.46 | f00li5h | with lines that have id, a colon, the title of the item |
| 04:26.47 | iuri | f00li5h, a separated file? |
| 04:26.50 | Shadowkllr | is there a package to put your damn kid to sleep? bah. 7 month old won't stay asleep! |
| 04:26.54 | \amethyst | iuri: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems only reiser4 goes that high |
| 04:26.58 | f00li5h | iuri: yes. |
| 04:27.03 | \amethyst | s/from/according to/ |
| 04:27.13 | f00li5h | Shadowkllr: brandy |
| 04:27.16 | \amethyst | iuri: everything else has a max filename size of 255 bytes or less |
| 04:27.51 | \amethyst | reiser of course has its own issues |
| 04:27.57 | Archaeopteryx | I have a application on a separate drive. When I run it by double clicking it, it tells me "There is no application installed for executable files". If I copy the file to my desktop it runs just fine. What is required for me to be able to run the application from the other drive? |
| 04:28.02 | zaltekk | Shadowkllr: there is a package. but i don't think it ships in .deb format. |
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| 04:28.30 | pinoyoragon | Hi. What command should i invoke in my client to check whether my ldap server works, before i edit the pam.d files |
| 04:28.30 | \amethyst | iuri: why do you need it to be on the filesystem instead of the db? |
| 04:28.31 | iuri | f00li5h, good idea inside every root directory i have sort of of guide file with id and name |
| 04:28.47 | iuri | to change systems |
| 04:29.00 | \amethyst | iuri: also, you could make the directory name the sha512sum of the real name |
| 04:29.00 | f00li5h | indeed |
| 04:29.13 | f00li5h | iuri: how is that helpful? |
| 04:29.20 | pickcoder | Shadowkllr: takes time and consistency with the sleep schedule |
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| 04:29.52 | iuri | \amethyst, what is sha512sum |
| 04:29.55 | \amethyst | (though that only lets you lookup, not enumerate) |
| 04:30.24 | \amethyst | iuri: a cryptographic hash that can be written with 128 hex digits, that's very unlikely to collide |
| 04:30.26 | f00li5h | the pk is fine |
| 04:30.36 | f00li5h | numbers are easy enough for users to use |
| 04:31.07 | \amethyst | the only problem is you can't reverse the sha512sum to get the real name, only the other way around |
| 04:31.24 | \amethyst | which is what I meant by "lookup, not enumerate" |
| 04:31.37 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 04:31.42 | \amethyst | ignore me |
| 04:31.52 | \amethyst | what f00li5h is suggesting is probably much better |
| 04:31.55 | iuri | \amethyst, so, you are saying thati could encrypt the name to 128, create the dir, and then when i run the other script to import the structure i would decrypt the file name |
| 04:31.59 | iuri | is thatit |
| 04:32.14 | f00li5h | iuri: Step back, please explain what you're tring to accomplish. There may be a better way! |
| 04:32.20 | iuri | \amethyst, okay you answered |
| 04:32.20 | \amethyst | iuri: if you've got to convert back, don't use it |
| 04:32.22 | iuri | :) |
| 04:32.43 | pickcoder | first, lart the genius that created such a horendous key... |
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| 04:32.58 | iuri | pickcoder, INDEED |
| 04:33.15 | \amethyst | why is there a directory structure for a dump instead of a bunch of DDL statements? |
| 04:33.20 | \amethyst | if it's just a dump |
| 04:33.20 | pickcoder | I don't even think a key that large will work in a pick database |
| 04:34.02 | iuri | f00li5h, i want to export a structure of directories thatis in the pg db the create the OS structure, to use it afterwards |
| 04:34.19 | iuri | wherever and whatever system i want |
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| 04:37.14 | pickcoder | I'd just use a sequential hex numbering system and stick a key.txt file in each node that contains the original key name |
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| 04:38.22 | pickcoder | (if it's just for transport use) |
| 04:38.28 | iuri | pickcoder, that was the suggestion of f00li5h . It is a good idea |
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| 04:38.47 | iuri | i guess i will end up with it |
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| 04:39.01 | normang | my boot hangs at hald. what is the likely reason? |
| 04:39.03 | pickcoder | it's about the only solution that will work without creating a FHS for each key name |
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| 04:39.17 | iuri | and then lart the guy who did that stupidness |
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| 04:40.12 | \amethyst | did the schema creator originally not know this database column was going to be used as a filename |
| 04:40.15 | \amethyst | ? |
| 04:40.22 | normang | it hangs at the line "Starting Hardware Abstraction layer: hald". |
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| 04:41.30 | iuri | \amethyst, I guess not. |
| 04:41.57 | iuri | \amethyst, we just found a bug on that system! |
| 04:42.22 | \amethyst | iuri: I'm assuming there's enough infrastructure already in place based on the directory stuff that "use sqlite" is not an option at this point? |
| 04:42.32 | \amethyst | oh |
| 04:42.36 | \amethyst | these are web pages |
| 04:42.49 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 04:43.05 | \amethyst | sorry about the <CR> punctuation |
| 04:43.39 | iuri | \amethyst, what do you mean to use sqlite |
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| 04:44.00 | pickcoder | SQL dump and import |
| 04:44.23 | stealth- | Um, according to linuxwireless.org, I'm supposed to install b43-fwcutter to get my wireless working, however aptitude seems convinced the file doesn't exist..... Any ideas? |
| 04:44.47 | Archaeopteryx | I have an application on a separate drive. When I run it by double clicking it, it tells me "There is no application installed for executable files". If I copy the file to my desktop it runs just fine. What is required for me to be able to run the application from the other drive? |
| 04:45.01 | pickcoder | !b43 |
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| 04:45.01 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:45.36 | User_007 | hello, what is the best powersave daemon for Squeeze since powersaved depends hal? |
| 04:45.39 | stealth- | thanks pickcoder |
| 04:46.32 | stealth- | !b43-cutter |
| 04:46.36 | stealth- | opps |
| 04:46.42 | stealth- | guess I should pm |
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| 04:55.11 | normang | can someone tell me why boot hangs at "Starting Hardware Abstraction layer: hald"? |
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| 04:56.46 | fruitwerks | never had a hang on hald |
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| 05:00.59 | funyun | noob here. can anyone tell me how to remove ".avi" from a bunch of rar files using rename? |
| 05:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 05:02.55 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: all of the files end like this ".avi.part1.rar" or ".avi.part2.rar". i want them to end like this ".part1.rar" or ".part2.rar" |
| 05:03.13 | funyun | without avi in the title |
| 05:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | "rename 's/.avi//' *" ? |
| 05:04.05 | fruitwerks | uhh The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h? |
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| 05:05.20 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: worked! you're a genius dude. thanks :) |
| 05:06.25 | nsadmin | funyun: you can be a genuius too... |
| 05:07.02 | nsadmin | look into rename and try to see how it works. while you're at it, look also at find, xargs |
| 05:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man rename" would come to mind for a start... specially as it contains examples |
| 05:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "man perlre' for the in-depth understanding? :) |
| 05:09.28 | nsadmin | perlretut |
| 05:09.31 | nsadmin | to start with |
| 05:11.25 | Gm4n | can tripwire be setup to monitor a directory with the exception of a specific subdirectory? I can't seem to find my answer in the twpolicy man page. |
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| 05:18.49 | Gm4n | nevermind, found my own answer. They are called "stop points" =) |
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| 05:21.24 | fruitwerks | bnx2.o ... this kernel better boot |
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| 05:26.02 | agike | Hi, /var/log/gdm/:0.log gives me "(EE) intel(0): [drm] Failed to open DRM device for : No such file or directory |
| 05:26.02 | agike | " as CPU usage periodically surges. I've not had this before. Can anyone explain how to prevent this ? Digital Rights Management ? .. & GDM ? |
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| 05:42.53 | OpenTokix | I think our username breaks copyright |
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| 05:45.16 | \amethyst | I don't think "copyright" means what you think it means |
| 05:45.33 | stealth- | how can I use apt-get to download only a specific version of a program? |
| 05:45.34 | OpenTokix | I just made a bad joke =) |
| 05:45.50 | stealth- | It keeps downloading gcc 4.3, and I only can use 4.1 |
| 05:46.14 | \amethyst | stealth-: with gcc, there's a separate package for the different versions |
| 05:46.18 | \amethyst | stealth-: install gcc-4.1 |
| 05:46.35 | stealth- | ah |
| 05:46.40 | stealth- | okay, thanks \amethyst |
| 05:46.47 | \amethyst | stealth-: then use something like CC=gcc-4.1 when compiling, instead of the default gcc version |
| 05:47.04 | stealth- | K, will do. |
| 05:48.21 | \amethyst | in packages where that's not the case, it's possible (aptitude install foobar=1.2.3-1) but usually you'll only have one version of the package available to you unless it's in security updates or your mixing multiple sources |
| 05:48.40 | \amethyst | err, you're |
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| 05:57.54 | shylent | hm, what could be the reason behind dmsetup not being able to see block devices (sda, sdb, etc), while they are most certainly persent and available? Other utilities can obviously access them. It just says "no such device" |
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| 06:00.33 | veronica | hii guys.. |
| 06:00.40 | veronica | i need help |
| 06:00.42 | veronica | ok. |
| 06:00.55 | veronica | i have the iriver SPINN |
| 06:01.06 | veronica | it's mp4 player with bluetooth support.. |
| 06:01.21 | veronica | now i want to transfer the audio from the SPINN to my via bluetooth.. |
| 06:03.08 | veronica | today is the day "don't answer in the IRC?" |
| 06:04.01 | fruitwerks | ... no idea |
| 06:04.17 | veronica | :( |
| 06:05.21 | veronica | i think i need to change the identity of the bluetooth |
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| 06:07.40 | veronica | fruitwerks,? |
| 06:08.16 | fruitwerks | I have never used bluetooth for anything |
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| 06:09.40 | veronica | fruitwerks, you know about some HACK channel.. |
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| 06:18.47 | Da_Wrecka | I wouldn't have thought Bluetooth was a good method for transferring audio files. It's rather low-bandwidth. |
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| 06:19.08 | Da_Wrecka | Hell, I don't even use it for syncing my Palms, because it's slow |
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| 06:19.59 | macrobat | veronica: people are sleeping :) "Bluez is the official Official Linux Bluetooth protocol stack" |
| 06:20.24 | vsmatck | Hmm, 90kilobytes/second. Just looked it up. |
| 06:20.35 | vsmatck | That is pretty slow. |
| 06:21.04 | veronica | macrobat, what do you mean stack? |
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| 06:23.01 | macrobat | i mean if you google for "bluez" you might find things easier. i dont think knowledge of "stacks" are necessary |
| 06:23.12 | sevenop | Hello my debian friends, I was just going through some irc servers, listing channels, it seems IRC is all but dead now a days. Come to think of it, aside from freenode, I don't think I've logged into an irc server in 5+ years. Have we lost all irc cat to the likes of social networks? |
| 06:23.16 | macrobat | i dont use bluetooth myself |
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| 06:24.24 | sevenop | anyone? |
| 06:24.44 | macrobat | #debian has about 900 users |
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| 06:25.30 | veronica | macrobat, you can help with that? |
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| 06:26.31 | sevenop | Yes, I guess all is not lost... |
| 06:26.32 | rgr_ | does trackerd always take up a whole cpu? I kind of envisioned it being finished after a day or two and then bursting into life only for new files. Its been running full tilt for a week now. |
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| 06:27.25 | rgr_ | sevenop: most techy irc channels seem resonably well used. Well, the same crusties most days ;) |
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| 06:28.23 | sevenop | rgr_: Yeah, I see that, I've not really spent any time looking until tonight, it looks like all that is left is techy channels. |
| 06:28.41 | T-Co | Is there someone using DSS? |
| 06:28.42 | dbbolton | my laptop has been (seemingly) randomly shutting itself off. i don't think over heating is the issue |
| 06:29.27 | vsmatck | dbbolton: you can eliminate a software problem by running it from a live cd and seeing if it shuts off. I'd start there. |
| 06:29.53 | vsmatck | I had that problem with my laptop recently. Turned out to be a failing power adapter. |
| 06:30.30 | dbbolton | vsmatck: ok, i will try a knoppix cd |
| 06:30.49 | dbbolton | i don't think it's a power issue because my battery is still fully charged |
| 06:31.04 | macrobat | veronica: i'm looking... :) you probably want the bluez pkg |
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| 06:32.52 | veronica | macrobat, i fund that.. |
| 06:32.55 | macrobat | or/and the bluetooth pkg, i really dont know this |
| 06:32.57 | veronica | http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices |
| 06:33.03 | macrobat | aha |
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| 06:46.59 | Openfree` | can I build a mini debian system from source code? is there one single command to achieve this? |
| 06:48.36 | the-dude | Openfree`: do you mean deboostrap? |
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| 06:48.57 | Openfree` | the-dude, no, debootstrap just fetch the binarys |
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| 06:49.19 | the-dude | Openfree`: why do you want to build from source? |
| 06:49.19 | unop | Openfree`, sounds like you want to use Gentoo or Arch |
| 06:49.19 | Openfree` | I want to build from source, then add some my own packages.. |
| 06:49.30 | vsmatck | Why do you want to build from source? |
| 06:49.37 | Openfree` | unop, I use gentoo quite some time |
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| 06:50.22 | tomi | is posible in git to have local repository contains only last version of file ? |
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| 06:51.02 | Openfree` | I already have a few packages (100+) in debian packages format(*.dsc+*.tar.gz), so I want to start using debian |
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| 06:51.37 | Openfree` | If swith to gentoo/arch, then I have to package them up once time, again.. |
| 06:52.23 | vsmatck | With gentoo/freeBSD you can compile programs with different macros to enable/disable different features within some programs. In my experience debian doesn't expose those options as easily and generally compiles programs with sane defaults. |
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| 06:56.44 | Openfree` | How to compile a few package in debian (say, about 100+), how to handle the dependency? some depend on package from original debian, some depend on new added package |
| 06:57.25 | Openfree` | if i just want to install those from original debian's, while compile those new added |
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| 06:57.53 | Openfree` | any way to do automaticaly, or I have to take care them one by one? |
| 06:58.21 | vsmatck | There's a way to automatically do it. *looks* |
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| 06:59.23 | vsmatck | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html I think section 7.14 covers it. I've only actually done this once myself soo.. I'm not too experienced. :) |
| 07:00.02 | vsmatck | err, I think section 7.13 is the start of stuff you need actually. |
| 07:00.30 | Openfree` | vsmatck, thanks, look into it ... |
| 07:01.18 | vsmatck | Openfree`: np, I'd try to go with binary packages as much as possible tho. It's much easier. |
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| 07:01.53 | Openfree` | vsmatck, easier for user, but pain for dev |
| 07:02.11 | Openfree` | i'd prefer source packages.. |
| 07:03.18 | vsmatck | There are special packages which contain headers for libraries meant for developers. They generally end with "-dev". They are needed when you want to compile against/link-to a library. |
| 07:04.10 | vsmatck | Like I build my program against sqlite so I install libsqlite3-dev. |
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| 07:05.25 | Openfree` | that's true |
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| 07:08.42 | vsmatck | I find debian to be a bit of a pain for me. I use a number of libraries where the debian versions are too old. I think freeBSD stays more up to date, but is too bleeding edge for no-hassle desktop system. So I use debian and get my needed libraries on my own. *shrug* Lots of tradeoffs here. How good debian is is relative to the person using it and what he needs. :) |
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| 07:09.15 | jimbob | hi |
| 07:09.25 | vsmatck | hello! |
| 07:09.35 | Openfree` | vsmatck, if you want to try some new, then should have a brave heart first |
| 07:09.50 | jimbob | is there a way to install debian using a DVD that is being served over http/ftp/NFS? |
| 07:10.12 | jimbob | I've searched the net for an hour and couldn't find anything |
| 07:10.15 | vsmatck | Openfree`: I like that saying! |
| 07:11.35 | vsmatck | jimbob: It is possible to have your own apt mirror. If you have a ton of debian workstations on a network this may be worth doing. The apt mirrors work over ftp or http. (I've never actually set it up myself but I know it can be done). |
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| 07:11.57 | MegaHerz | Hi all |
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| 07:12.03 | vsmatck | omg HI! |
| 07:12.57 | macrobat | millions of cycles per second! |
| 07:13.11 | MegaHerz | I can't get PGP key: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B - this command waits something forever. Do I use the correct keyserver? |
| 07:13.26 | MegaHerz | macrobat: s/cycles/thoughts/ :) |
| 07:14.23 | jimbob | vsmatck, there is no other way?? I just want to install debian. I have the DVD images and a laptop running gentoo that can serve http/ftp/nfs. I can't install over the internet because I'm on a modem connection right now |
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| 07:15.42 | macrobat | MegaHerz: i can ping that server. idk |
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| 07:16.13 | MegaHerz | macrobat: me too, it even establishes tcp connectionm but then it just like hangs.. |
| 07:16.44 | vsmatck | jimbob: I think I misunderstood you. If I understand correctly now the computer you're installing on doesn't have a CD drive. I don't have personal experience network booting the installer but I know it can be done. |
| 07:17.01 | MegaHerz | macrobat: btw, is that command works for you? |
| 07:17.06 | MegaHerz | does :) |
| 07:17.11 | MegaHerz | work ) |
| 07:17.29 | MegaHerz | has no good cycles for English |
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| 07:19.07 | ambuli | hi all, a generic question ?. when i check apt-cache search pkgname, does it check each time from repository ? |
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| 07:19.40 | jimbob | vsmatck: yes, sorry I forgot to mention that. no dvd drive. network booting works already. the installer boots from PXE. I just don't see a way to get the installer to load the packages from a local http (or whatever) server. |
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| 07:20.35 | jimbob | I tried mounting DVD1 to /var/www/localhost/htdocs/debian, but the installer doesn't recognise that as a repository ("invalid archive mirror") |
| 07:20.37 | vsmatck | jimbob: Hmm! If it's like the regular installer there should be a point (right after tasksel) where it downloads/installs packages from a network source. I'm not too sure about this though. Uncharted territory for me. |
| 07:20.47 | macrobat | MegaHerz: works for me :) |
| 07:21.10 | macrobat | but i already had that key |
| 07:21.28 | vsmatck | jimbob: Oh, the computer doesn't have a CD drive, and it doesn't have an internet connection. I think I fully understand now. |
| 07:21.52 | vsmatck | jimbob: I don't think I can advise futher. This is outside my area of knowledge now. :-/ |
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| 07:22.48 | jimbob | vsmatck: yes, you get asked what mirror you want to use. you can enter an http or ftp server manually. that's it. thanks for trying to help. I'll check back later, maybe someone else knows about this. I can't believe this problem isn't more common |
| 07:23.05 | MegaHerz | macrobat: thanks, looks like my ISP does something weird or I don't know |
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| 07:24.16 | FunctorSalad | not sure whether this is the right place for this question... is there some way to have application-scoped gtk appearance settings? |
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| 07:24.55 | FunctorSalad | I gathered on the gtk site that there are app-scoped gtkrc files in principle, but that the system-wide setting takes priority... now I'm confused |
| 07:25.11 | FunctorSalad | (one always has a systemwide one, no?) |
| 07:25.16 | macrobat | idk what ports gpg uses |
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| 07:27.15 | nocturnus | How can you take a populated directory like /var and mount it as tmpfs? I've tried with aufs2 and managed to do a union between a tmpfs and /var but this freezes mouse/kb support in X ... |
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| 07:27.47 | pinoyoragon | Hello. i can't login to my client PC using any of the stored accounts in my ldap server although when I issue "getent passwd" the accounts from my ldap server are displayed. What seems to be the problem? |
| 07:27.53 | g00se_ | Could i have a sanity check please: find /mnt/bak -amin +$((15*60)) should find files last accessed more than 15 hours ago? |
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| 07:28.36 | FunctorSalad | nocturnus: I'm no fs expert but couldn't you just mount a fresh tmpfs and then "mount --bind /var /mytmp"? |
| 07:28.51 | nocturnus | maybe |
| 07:28.52 | FunctorSalad | (to get /var in /mytmp/var) |
| 07:28.58 | nocturnus | What does bind do exactly? |
| 07:29.05 | nocturnus | or loop? |
| 07:29.11 | FunctorSalad | there's also "bindfs" in fuse, not sure what the pros/cons compared to mount --bind are |
| 07:29.24 | FunctorSalad | hmm "bind" is documented in mount's manpage |
| 07:29.25 | nocturnus | I've like to mount /var in /var |
| 07:29.30 | nocturnus | I'd |
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| 07:30.09 | FunctorSalad | hmm |
| 07:30.24 | FunctorSalad | maybe '--bind' allows that |
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| 07:30.38 | FunctorSalad | (I mean after renaming /var to something else first) |
| 07:30.47 | FunctorSalad | (then mounting a tmpfs on /var and then binding) |
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| 07:32.15 | nocturnus | If you mount /var to /var with bind, changes will not be stored in ram |
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| 07:34.46 | FunctorSalad | hmm seems to work so far (what I wrote above, not this new problem you raise) |
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| 07:35.50 | MegaHerz | macrobat: unlucky day. My ISP had got a ban on subkeys.pgp.net |
| 07:35.55 | FunctorSalad | (mkdir var1; touch var1/foo; mkdir var2; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs `realpath var2`; mount --bind var1 var2) |
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| 07:36.19 | MegaHerz | macrobat: pgp.webtru.st - but this server works for me ) |
| 07:36.19 | FunctorSalad | gets "foo" into var2 \o/ |
| 07:36.22 | MegaHerz | macrobat: thanks again |
| 07:36.30 | macrobat | ok, have fun :) |
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| 07:37.37 | FunctorSalad | nocturnus: thought the writing behaviour could be specified with some parameter? |
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| 07:37.59 | FunctorSalad | the default seems to be that things are written back to /var1, indeed |
| 07:38.15 | FunctorSalad | (actually I'm not sure this scheme uses the tmpfs at all, even for reading...) |
| 07:38.24 | FunctorSalad | or whether --bind is just a path renaming thing |
| 07:38.41 | nocturnus | Can you play around with it - I don't feel like typing all those mount commands myself ;) |
| 07:39.31 | nocturnus | The best part is that the aufs2 mailing list is non-functional |
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| 07:39.38 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 07:39.40 | FunctorSalad | I did that in /tmp, not with my real var ;o |
| 07:40.33 | AlexC_ | when Lenny is starting up, the out of '/var/log/messages' gets displayed to the screen - this happens even when at the console login prompt (no x) and continues when logged in and doing something like 'nano foo' |
| 07:40.45 | MegaHerz | I see lenny is out! Nice. Is it good idea to upgrade to it from etch? I'm running a simple home server |
| 07:40.52 | AlexC_ | obviously, trying to edit a file while the output of /var/log/messages is being displayed to the screen means it is impossible to use |
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| 07:41.37 | AlexC_ | MegaHerz, you're over a year late there to notice :P |
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| 07:41.47 | AlexC_ | and yes it is a good idea to upgrade |
| 07:42.12 | MegaHerz | AlexC_: yes, I know. I was working in another town for about a year. Now I'm back ) |
| 07:42.30 | AlexC_ | MegaHerz, :) fair enough. But yes, Etch is not longer supported |
| 07:42.35 | macrobat | MegaHerz: soon squeeze may be out |
| 07:42.48 | macrobat | etch in unsupported now |
| 07:42.48 | FunctorSalad | nocturnus: is there some reason you don't want to just copy the whole /var to the tmpfs and back later? maybe with rsync |
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| 07:42.57 | nocturnus | because its slow |
| 07:42.59 | macrobat | s#in#is# |
| 07:43.00 | nocturnus | and messy |
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| 07:43.07 | d3x | macrobat, define "soon" ;) |
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| 07:43.14 | nocturnus | macrobat: i own your macrobat@live.com |
| 07:43.16 | d3x | it's not even frozen |
| 07:43.27 | macrobat | soon == when it is ready |
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| 07:44.09 | g00se_ | Could i have a sanity check please: find /mnt/bak -amin +$((15*60)) should find files last accessed more than 15 hours ago? |
| 07:44.10 | AlexC_ | how can I stop /var/log/messages from being displayed to my console? It's making it impossible to use this server - even when Lenny is starting up it gets displayed |
| 07:44.13 | FunctorSalad | nocturnus: what speedup over that are you expecting? the one through lazyness? (stuff only being read from the physical disk when it's accessed from the tmpfs) |
| 07:44.23 | macrobat | nocturnus: a nick-squatter! |
| 07:44.31 | FunctorSalad | mind you, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious |
| 07:44.40 | nocturnus | macrobat: i haven't logged in a while maybe you can claim it |
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| 07:45.06 | macrobat | hmm, Windows Live, i dont know what that is :) |
| 07:45.17 | AlexC_ | g00se_, potentially loose the '+' |
| 07:45.49 | FunctorSalad | I guess the bind has nothing to do with the filesystem underlying the target path though, it just manipulates pathnames (I think( |
| 07:45.54 | FunctorSalad | )) |
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| 07:47.10 | macrobat | idk if you have to use unionfs for union mounts |
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| 07:47.28 | macrobat | aufs does that too? |
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| 07:48.24 | z3rograv1ty | anybody using pidgin? i can't connect to yahoo |
| 07:48.24 | AlexC_ | is there any reason for Debian to be doing the equivalent of 'tail -f /var/log/messages' upon startup, and when I'm trying to use the console? |
| 07:48.28 | lalla | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 07:48.28 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 07:48.28 | FunctorSalad | would mounting the unionfs from /physical_disk_dir to /tmpfs/bla eagerly read the whole subtree into ram? |
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| 07:48.42 | FunctorSalad | (I have no idea) |
| 07:48.45 | twantakur | hello |
| 07:48.46 | twantakur | help |
| 07:48.54 | twantakur | i have intel i3 cpu |
| 07:49.01 | twantakur | i want to install debian |
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| 07:49.46 | twantakur | which one should i choose debian IA_32 or IA_64? |
| 07:49.54 | AlexC_ | 64 |
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| 07:50.06 | FunctorSalad | AlexC_: /etc/sysctl.conf? I have this there: |
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| 07:50.08 | FunctorSalad | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 07:50.08 | FunctorSalad | kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3 |
| 07:50.27 | iceroot | twantakur: are you sure i3 is not x86 (x86_64)? |
| 07:50.48 | twantakur | i doubt that |
| 07:51.10 | iceroot | twantakur: 20 seconds google told me that it is x86_64 |
| 07:51.29 | petemc_ | twantakur: ia is itanium, and its not that |
| 07:51.35 | twantakur | ogh |
| 07:51.35 | macrobat | twantakur: use the amd64 |
| 07:51.43 | twantakur | sorry i miss understood |
| 07:51.47 | AlexC_ | you will struggle to find a new chip that is not 64bit |
| 07:51.57 | AlexC_ | FunctorSalad, thanks, looking through it now |
| 07:52.00 | iceroot | AlexC_: atom imo |
| 07:52.06 | d3x | i3 is definietely amd64 |
| 07:52.15 | macrobat | AlexC_: you could boot your kernel quiet |
| 07:52.57 | AlexC_ | a ha, macrobat - I was thinking of this, but couldn't remember if 'quiet' was the one |
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| 07:53.45 | d3x | iceroot, new atoms are 64bit too afair |
| 07:53.49 | FunctorSalad | hmm I do want the messages during bootup... that script runs rather late IIRC |
| 07:54.32 | iceroot | d3x: ah ok, i have an "old" one (one core) and its not amd64 |
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| 07:57.42 | FunctorSalad | is there some command to print the initscript dependency graph for human consumption? |
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| 07:58.35 | damian | Hi there |
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| 08:00.41 | damian | I am looking for any developer of Debian |
| 08:01.33 | d3x | iceroot, wikipedia says 230, 330 and n450 have EMT64 |
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| 08:02.07 | macrobat | damian: maybe #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 08:02.09 | iceroot | what was the flag called in /proc/cpuinfo for 64bit? |
| 08:02.21 | damian | macrobat, thanks |
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| 08:05.02 | lalla | lh_config command not found? |
| 08:05.14 | z3rograv1ty | anybody using pidgin? |
| 08:05.26 | z3rograv1ty | i can't connect to yahoo using pidgin 2.6.6 |
| 08:05.42 | z3rograv1ty | Unable to connect: No route to host |
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| 08:07.10 | twantakur | hello |
| 08:07.20 | twantakur | i wanna ask one more time sir |
| 08:08.11 | twantakur | is apt repository for 64 an 32 diffrent? |
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| 08:08.49 | Stereo | twantakur: you know, not all of us are sirs :) |
| 08:08.59 | Stereo | twantakur: but the repositories are indeed different, sir |
| 08:09.11 | iceroot | twantakur: the url not, the content, yes |
| 08:09.33 | Stereo | twantakur: why are you asking? |
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| 08:11.04 | iceroot | twantakur: the package-manager is using automaticly the correct version its something like deb http://debian.org/lenny/i368 or amd64 or all you are only typing deb http://debian.org/ lenny main |
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| 08:14.02 | twantakur | lol |
| 08:14.20 | twantakur | thanx again sir |
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| 08:21.58 | AlexC_ | how can I bring an interface down, using 'ip' and not 'ifconfig'? |
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| 08:22.29 | ssm | AlexC_: ip link set down dev <foo> ? |
| 08:22.40 | AlexC_ | ssm, yep, just found it in the man page - should have checked first. Thanks :) |
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| 08:26.17 | twantakur | hello |
| 08:26.32 | twantakur | i have burn out x86_32 / x86_64 |
| 08:26.40 | twantakur | but cdromm not detected? |
| 08:26.51 | twantakur | what should do? |
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| 08:32.28 | FunctorSalad | hmm I'm starting to think that manpages are really easier to read in a browser (either terminal or x-www-browser) than in a pager |
| 08:32.42 | FunctorSalad | you get links to sections... |
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| 08:33.13 | FunctorSalad | (talking about going `alias man=man -H') |
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| 08:45.46 | simonrvn | man -H w3m :P |
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| 09:00.12 | g00se_ | Having a problem with screen flickering on Lenny installer. There was a message about ACPI or APIC but can't quite remember what it was |
| 09:00.28 | intgr | Hi, I searched far and wide on Google, but I didn't find how a Debian package should create new users for daemons on install? |
| 09:01.15 | Melior | I tried to compare size of a folder on a debian server and on my ftp. The debian says: 1147952 and my ftp says(connected from debian server with lftp): 1146631. When comparing these in filezilla both have the same size of 1.174.149.555 bytes. How come commando "du -c" doesn't show that? |
| 09:02.54 | Melior | or in bytes: debian server / ftp -> 1174153651 / 1174149555 |
| 09:03.15 | maligor | that's 1146630,424804687 |
| 09:03.18 | Melior | it ain't much, but if i were to write a bash script compared those they should be equal? |
| 09:03.20 | MegaHerz | I'd like my Lenny (yes, I'm upgrading) server software to autoupdate. How to do this? |
| 09:04.00 | maligor | ah, you did convert it |
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| 09:05.57 | Melior | maligor: Yeah, but how come du -c -b gives less in the ftp client? Could it be ext vs. ntfs? |
| 09:06.05 | maligor | Melior, As I have to guess, I'd say ncftp is using a extension that uses the os mechanisms for it |
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| 09:07.26 | Melior | Melior: lftp, you right about that. But lftp is run on my debian server. So commando should be equal in any way as it's the same OS |
| 09:08.04 | Melior | maligor: lftp, you right about that. But lftp is run on my debian server. So commando should be equal in any way as it's the same OS |
| 09:08.15 | FunctorSalad | simonrvn: is that a serious vote for w3m? so far elinks seems to work best for me from the terminal browsers |
| 09:08.42 | FunctorSalad | only saw w3m in emacs briefly ;) |
| 09:08.48 | maligor | Melior, it's still forced to use the dreadful protocol ftp to grab that info, it doesn't mean anything where it's running |
| 09:09.17 | simonrvn | w3m-el isn't the same as w3m |
| 09:09.20 | g00se_ | Melior: It's not a text file by any chance? |
| 09:09.45 | simonrvn | i usually use w3m, links2 sometims |
| 09:09.52 | Melior | maligor: Any way to proper compare the sizes then? |
| 09:10.22 | Melior | G00se_: No then have equal amount of files and compare in filezilla equal size as well. |
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| 09:15.33 | macrobat | so, manpages in a browser actually works? i'm getting error msgs about encodings |
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| 09:18.03 | FunctorSalad | macrobat: hmm everything's utf8 here |
| 09:18.14 | macrobat | "man: command exited with status 3: /usr/bin/zsoelim | /usr/lib/man-db/manconv -f UTF-8:ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8//IGNORE | preconv -e UTF-8 | tbl | groff -mandoc -Thtml" |
| 09:18.36 | macrobat | i thought i had everything utf-8 |
| 09:19.19 | macrobat | i dont know what "//IGNORE" means :) |
| 09:19.39 | FunctorSalad | iso8859-1 to utf-8 shouldn't fail in any case unless I'm missing something |
| 09:19.50 | FunctorSalad | maybe it's not encoding-related? |
| 09:20.11 | MegaHerz | How to easily convert env from one locale to another? Currently I'm running ru_RU.KOI8-R, but want to setup (upgrade!) to ru_RU.UTF-8 |
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| 09:20.50 | FunctorSalad | (I mean I presume iso8859-1 can be faithfully represented in unicode, even if it isn't a subset of it *without* translating) |
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| 09:21.47 | FunctorSalad | macrobat: maybe look up what status 3 means |
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| 09:21.54 | MegaHerz | Wow, serverfault.com is really good. |
| 09:22.10 | macrobat | it's an error in a child process |
| 09:22.19 | macrobat | i guess manconv |
| 09:22.26 | FunctorSalad | set -x? |
| 09:22.29 | FunctorSalad | to see who failed |
| 09:22.32 | macrobat | (or the others) |
| 09:24.29 | macrobat | i get "+ man -H less" for man -H less :) nothing from children |
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| 09:25.04 | FunctorSalad | strace -f man -H |
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| 09:25.12 | FunctorSalad | but that'll be long o_o |
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| 09:25.38 | dbbolton | my keyboard just suddenly stopped working, but the mouse still responds. any suggestions |
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| 09:26.07 | macrobat | "man -H -R UTF-8 less" gives output, it doesnt go into $BROWSER and it's not html |
| 09:26.56 | FunctorSalad | maybe it prefers 'www-browser' on debian? |
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| 09:31.25 | FunctorSalad | (the /etc/alternative, not a variable) |
| 09:31.29 | macrobat | i cant find such a variable |
| 09:31.34 | macrobat | ok |
| 09:31.36 | macrobat | hmm |
| 09:31.40 | FunctorSalad | update-alternatives --config www-browser |
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| 09:33.57 | macrobat | i get stuff like ".br" instead of html tags |
| 09:34.39 | d3x | hi all |
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| 09:35.28 | d3x | i have upgraded kde to 4.4.2 (experimental + experimental-snapshots) and now i can't login from local X. i can over NX, though |
| 09:35.47 | d3x | also - i can login locally on another machine with 4.4.2 |
| 09:36.09 | d3x | #kde guys can't help and insist it's debian failure |
| 09:36.30 | macrobat | kdm failure? |
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| 09:36.48 | d3x | kdm start, shows the login box |
| 09:36.51 | nkuttler | d3x: experimental isn't supported in #debian |
| 09:36.53 | d3x | i login and - boom! |
| 09:36.59 | d3x | nkuttler, mhm, where is it then |
| 09:37.03 | d3x | or it's not at all? :) |
| 09:37.16 | nkuttler | d3x: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 09:37.27 | FunctorSalad | macrobat: hmm I don't know anything about man's internals... regenerating the database would be worth a try I guess |
| 09:37.30 | FunctorSalad | (guess) |
| 09:38.06 | bkjoe | wouldn't want to know much about a man's internals either..ew |
| 09:38.15 | FunctorSalad | (maybe dpkg-reconfigure the involved packages too?) |
| 09:38.29 | macrobat | i read i could convert the man db to html. too much effort :) |
| 09:38.30 | bkjoe | sounds dirty |
| 09:38.31 | FunctorSalad | bkjoe: noticed that soon after sending too |
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| 09:38.44 | bkjoe | heh |
| 09:38.49 | FunctorSalad | macrobat: man -H does that on the fly I think |
| 09:38.59 | macrobat | it should |
| 09:39.21 | d3x | nkuttler, ok, great, i know that experimental is experimental. but still - maybe someone is using it and can help :) |
| 09:40.01 | FunctorSalad | btw., bash's M-* key has great synergy with the good bash_completion for the various debian tools |
| 09:40.05 | macrobat | d3x: maybe try without kdm or debug kdm |
| 09:40.33 | FunctorSalad | (if you just want to reconfigure them all rather than guessing ;)) |
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| 09:40.59 | FunctorSalad | I know, there's probably some less roundabout way to obtain the data bash_completion uses |
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| 09:42.20 | Melior | I found the error. Seems like debian cannot calculate :/ |
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| 09:43.04 | Titan | how do I set the default outgoing ip |
| 09:43.22 | Titan | I have eth0 eth0:1 and eth0:2 with default ips and its using eth0:2 |
| 09:43.35 | Melior | it calculates 23*50000000+1368+24145242=1174153651 but it's 1174149555 |
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| 09:43.48 | lindi- | Titan: if you have multiple upstreams I recommend you to forget ifconfig and switch to /bin/ip |
| 09:43.49 | FunctorSalad | Titan: "ip route"? |
| 09:43.50 | macrobat | M-* gives me a 2527 word output :) |
| 09:44.00 | Melior | it calculates 23*50000000+1368+24145242+2945=1174153651 but it's 1174149555 |
| 09:44.19 | nkuttler | d3x: well, the canonical answer is fix the bug. you really shouldn't run experimental if you can't think of moving your old kde config out of the way etc |
| 09:44.28 | d3x | macrobat, hm... it started without kdm |
| 09:44.31 | FunctorSalad | macrobat: it inserts whatever hitting tab twice tells you |
| 09:44.32 | Titan | FunctorSalad: http://pastebin.com/ZB1pGv3B |
| 09:44.38 | FunctorSalad | so if you write some letters first, there's less |
| 09:45.16 | d3x | Melior, 1174146610 (that's what krunner says) |
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| 09:46.03 | FunctorSalad | I don't know what eth0:1 and eth0:2 are, I just meant you want that utility :) |
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| 09:46.18 | FunctorSalad | (whether the colon has any special meaning) |
| 09:46.42 | Titan | extra ips on the default interface |
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| 09:46.51 | Melior | xfe does calculate it correctly just no "du" |
| 09:47.29 | FunctorSalad | Titan: AIUI it just goes through the listed rules until one matches |
| 09:47.35 | FunctorSalad | (then disregards the rest) |
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| 09:48.07 | d3x | Melior, what are you talking about? |
| 09:48.15 | d3x | du shows disk usage, not file sizes |
| 09:48.24 | d3x | and it will very likely be different |
| 09:48.33 | FunctorSalad | the left column is the destination address against which the packet's destination address is matched |
| 09:48.47 | d3x | (unless you have only files that fit perfectly in inodes) |
| 09:49.20 | FunctorSalad | if you want to filter by something more complex, you presumably want to use the netfilter (new with that myself) |
| 09:49.21 | astinsan | Du also counts unlinked files if I remember corectly |
| 09:49.21 | Melior | d3x: So how do i show filesilze :o? |
| 09:49.30 | d3x | Melior, ls -l |
| 09:49.55 | d3x | also - do you really care about few hundred bytes? |
| 09:49.55 | Melior | d3x: and sum up? |
| 09:50.24 | d3x | ls -s? |
| 09:50.31 | Melior | d3x: yeah, otherwise i cannot compare sizes :) |
| 09:50.41 | astinsan | Ls -lFa should show all |
| 09:51.01 | FunctorSalad | (by "filter" I mean match-and-rewrite here, even though you don't want to actually filter anything) |
| 09:51.08 | d3x | astinsan, A is better than a imho :) |
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| 09:52.13 | Melior | I just want to print total size only |
| 09:52.49 | astinsan | D3x: I always used it that way... it was easy to remember ls -FaG |
| 09:53.01 | astinsan | For obvious reasons |
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| 09:53.24 | shylent | hmm? what do you mean "obvious" |
| 09:53.24 | d3x | astinsan, what are those obvious reasons? :) |
| 09:53.26 | shylent | what does it mean? |
| 09:54.21 | astinsan | not going to go there.. I already spelled it out |
| 09:54.30 | astinsan | :) |
| 09:55.12 | astinsan | It is nice to be in a channel with people in it |
| 09:55.43 | shylent | don't be so sure about the "people" part. for all I know, I am the only human here and the rest are robots |
| 09:55.44 | d3x | with idle sessions and bots, not people :P |
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| 09:57.12 | astinsan | Yeah... its possible. Even the linux mags promote the use of bots.. there is a article about building one with perl in the linux developer mag. |
| 09:57.24 | FunctorSalad | . o O ( ls -d is suspicious too ) |
| 09:57.46 | FunctorSalad | and there's mdma in my hdparm |
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| 09:59.15 | astinsan | Why do people just sit in the channels anyways? |
| 09:59.37 | Rahim | tto help others? |
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| 09:59.51 | AlexC_ | it's comfy |
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| 10:00.07 | shylent | dunno, if you mean "idle" when you say "sit", they probably have those channels on auto-join upon client start |
| 10:00.30 | AlexC_ | or they join to ask a question, and cba to leave. Like my self :P |
| 10:00.48 | astinsan | Idle sitting |
| 10:00.53 | astinsan | No human |
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| 10:01.30 | shylent | or they tend to ask questions that noone knows an answer to, like me :P |
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| 10:02.43 | astinsan | Well.. I don't know all the answers... just use linux as my primary os. |
| 10:04.26 | AlexC_ | I know all the answers, to things that I know |
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| 10:04.53 | astinsan | Well put |
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| 10:06.10 | wonderwal | anyone using xen? |
| 10:06.29 | astinsan | Does anyone know if there is a bitchx client for android? |
| 10:06.55 | astinsan | Missing my aliases |
| 10:06.56 | AlexC_ | wonderwal, quite a few people use Xen, but I think you mean to ask a more specific question? |
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| 10:07.29 | wonderwal | okay well im using debian pv+xen+3ware 9550sx raid 1 and am noticing horrible write speeds |
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| 10:07.52 | santilin | hi |
| 10:08.16 | astinsan | Hello |
| 10:08.20 | santilin | how can I get a debian installer with a linux-image version 2.6.32 or above? |
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| 10:09.03 | tarzeau | santilin: with lvm support? |
| 10:09.09 | tarzeau | !kmuto |
| 10:09.09 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 10:09.10 | santilin | no |
| 10:09.14 | santilin | tarzeau: no |
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| 10:09.45 | tarzeau | santilin: the kmuto link was for you |
| 10:11.04 | astinsan | Gotta go back to work... take care all |
| 10:11.11 | santilin | tarzeau: thanks |
| 10:11.27 | santilin | tarzeau: I'm installing it to an eeepc, but have a problem |
| 10:11.58 | santilin | tarzeau: if I make zcat boot.img.gz /dev/scX the resulting partition is of only 256M |
| 10:12.14 | santilin | tarzeau: so I can not put the lenny image inside it |
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| 10:12.23 | tarzeau | santilin: onto an usb image? |
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| 10:12.29 | santilin | tarzeau: yes |
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| 10:12.57 | tarzeau | santilin: dunno, i'm using network installer |
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| 10:13.24 | santilin | tarzeau: and, is there a network installer with kernel >= 2.6.32? |
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| 10:14.29 | tarzeau | santilin: yes the one of kmuto, he's got cd installers too |
| 10:16.26 | babilen_ | !kmuto |
| 10:16.26 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 10:17.56 | santilin | tarzeau: yes, it looks like the iso is for netinst |
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| 10:26.22 | lxsameer | hi i have ATI radeon hd3300 onboard , which driver should i use ? radeon , radeonhd , or fglrx |
| 10:27.09 | santilin | lxsameer: try man radeon; man radeonhd; man fglrx |
| 10:27.38 | babilen | radeonhd seems to be EOL, fglrx is proprietary and radeon works beautiful here (different card though) |
| 10:27.57 | lxsameer | santilin: ok , but i want to know which one support my chipset |
| 10:28.06 | lxsameer | babilen: EOL? |
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| 10:28.16 | babilen | lxsameer: End Of Life(d) |
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| 10:28.44 | babilen | lxsameer: Paste the output of "lspci -nn | grep VGA" please |
| 10:28.47 | MegaHerz | babilen: :) |
| 10:29.03 | santilin | lxsameer: the have a 'supported hardware section' |
| 10:29.16 | lxsameer | babilen: so it is not good ? do you have 3d acceleration too? |
| 10:29.47 | lxsameer | babilen: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE] [10de:0163] (rev a1) |
| 10:29.57 | lxsameer | babilen: it is for my current VGA |
| 10:30.20 | lxsameer | babilen: since i can't run ati driver i have to use this one |
| 10:30.21 | babilen | lxsameer: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Radeon |
| 10:30.38 | lxsameer | babilen: thanks let me read the |
| 10:30.38 | Vroomfondle | lxsameer: ATI doesn't show up at all when you run that command? |
| 10:30.44 | babilen | lxsameer: Ok, that does not really help to identify your ATI card :) |
| 10:30.50 | lxsameer | Vroomfondle: no |
| 10:30.57 | Vroomfondle | that suggests that your onboard radeon may be disabled in your BIOS. |
| 10:31.03 | babilen | lxsameer: Are you sure that you have an ATI card in there? |
| 10:31.43 | lxsameer | babilen: yeah , it is onboard on my asus M3A78-T mainboard |
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| 10:32.40 | babilen | lxsameer: Than it is most likely disabled in your BIOS as Vroomfondle suspected |
| 10:33.14 | babilen | lxsameer: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature â list of supported features per chipset |
| 10:33.27 | lxsameer | babilen: if it was enable from bios then that command will show that . am i right |
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| 10:34.17 | babilen | yes |
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| 10:34.56 | lxsameer | hmmmmmmmm , thanks let me read them and try some |
| 10:35.24 | lxsameer | babilen: should i compile radeon or debian ones it enough |
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| 10:38.48 | MegaHerz | Does anybody know, why after imporint a key, debmirror still claims NO_PUBKEY? I forgot to do something? |
| 10:38.58 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:9614 |
| 10:39.00 | judd | [1002:9614] is 'Radeon HD 3300 Graphics' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9614 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 10:39.24 | babilen | lxsameer: the radeon driver is in the package xserver-xorg-video-radeon - but your card is pretty new, so it looks as if you have to use the fglrx driver anyway |
| 10:39.49 | MegaHerz | I do: gpg --keyserver pgp.webtru.st --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 and it prints that key is already there - gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>" not changed |
| 10:39.57 | lxsameer | babilen: hmmm, bad |
| 10:40.28 | MegaHerz | then I run deb-mirror and it prints error: |
| 10:40.30 | MegaHerz | [GNUPG:] ERRSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 17 2 00 1256739800 9 |
| 10:40.30 | MegaHerz | [GNUPG:] NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 10:40.36 | MegaHerz | what the...? |
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| 10:41.08 | MegaHerz | s/deb-mirror/debmirror/ |
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| 10:42.36 | babilen | lxsameer: I am not sure - try the different drivers .. |
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| 10:54.10 | alveraan | Hi there. I'm trying to understand booting with an encrypted root and the relationship between /etc/crypttab and initramfs. Since /etc resides in the real, encrypted root fs, the info in crypttab has to be copied to initramfs by update-initramfs right? |
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| 11:03.20 | CyberDomovoy | i have this in my /etc/asound.conf: http://codepad.org/R2BTXnqv when i run "speaker-test -c 2 -D 2up41" it prints "Broken configuration for playback: no configurations available: Argument invalide" any idea why? i'm on debian lenny and installed cmt |
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| 11:08.42 | d3x | how do i purge not installed, but configured packages |
| 11:08.43 | d3x | ? |
| 11:09.04 | lindi- | d3x: man dpkg, look for purge |
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| 11:44.39 | manixor | Hi, it's possible to find an ip of an user of pidgin? |
| 11:45.08 | ham5 | are you directly connected to the other user.. or is it threw a server? |
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| 11:46.40 | manixor | ham5 I'm chatting and make file transfer. |
| 11:47.03 | ham5 | could use netstat |
| 11:47.17 | ham5 | yes its possible |
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| 11:48.59 | manixor | ham5 can you tell me how can I use netstat to find it? |
| 11:49.13 | ham5 | nope sorry |
| 11:50.02 | manixor | ham5 OK, thank's |
| 11:50.27 | valdyn | manixor: netstat -punt | grep pidgin |
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| 11:51.29 | valdyn | manixor: there will be a few ips, reverse lookup the names to find the file transfer peer |
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| 11:52.22 | ham5 | oh -p handy thx valdyn :) |
| 11:52.43 | manixor | ok, I will try |
| 11:53.05 | valdyn | oh or just "netstat -put | grep pidgin", but that may be slow |
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| 12:02.05 | manixor | valdyn Is not working |
| 12:02.14 | valdyn | manixor: sure its working |
| 12:02.15 | manixor | I not get the ip of who send me the file |
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| 12:02.40 | ham5 | id give up if I were u |
| 12:02.43 | valdyn | manixor: you do |
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| 12:03.07 | valdyn | manixor: the data could be traversinga proxy, in that case the proxy is the sender |
| 12:03.41 | valdyn | manixor: you can only get the computer who is sending the data to your computer, you cannot get the original sender - thats the internet =p |
| 12:03.59 | manixor | true |
| 12:04.04 | manixor | I get the same ip |
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| 12:16.06 | bolt | how can I find my ip without root access? |
| 12:16.16 | bolt | from the shell |
| 12:16.24 | RichiH | /sbin/ip a |
| 12:16.46 | RichiH | you can run both ip and ifconfig as normal user to _query_ stuff |
| 12:16.54 | liable | even ifconfig if you give it the path |
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| 12:17.13 | bolt | ah. thanks :) |
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| 12:17.35 | jelly | those could arguably get moved to /bin or /usr/bin |
| 12:17.41 | bzed | jelly: no |
| 12:17.50 | abrotman | guess he told oyu! |
| 12:17.58 | jelly | wait... ip already is /bin/ip here. |
| 12:18.12 | RichiH | whoah, it is |
| 12:18.26 | bzed | jelly: I think ip is in /bin and /sbin |
| 12:18.27 | jelly | abrotman: he's one of those guys that still go by /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 12:18.30 | RichiH | never noticed and just did /sbin/ip |
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| 12:30.09 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 12:30.09 | dpkg | <RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful. |
| 12:30.32 | babilen | hehe |
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| 12:31.17 | jelly | !seen mwilson |
| 12:31.17 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mwilson', jelly |
| 12:31.33 | liable | permabanned |
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| 12:31.42 | jelly | that's no fun |
| 12:31.51 | liable | hehe, he wasnt either :) |
| 12:31.59 | et | is he mr. wilson from the dennis movie? |
| 12:32.02 | liable | actually, he was, just a grumpy prick :) |
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| 12:36.38 | wols_ | nice he's even online. wonder what channels he frequents |
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| 12:36.47 | wols_ | would be nice to have entertainment sometimes |
| 12:37.17 | liable | he's a regular in #bash iirc |
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| 12:43.10 | JyZyXEL | isn't it possible to get silent data corruption in ext3 cause its not a checksumming filesystem? |
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| 12:44.31 | jelly | JyZyXEL: which Linux filesystem _is_ checksumming? |
| 12:44.52 | JyZyXEL | brtfs and ZFS |
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| 12:45.16 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: I wrote a loop device that does crc checksumming for any fs |
| 12:45.27 | JyZyXEL | :o |
| 12:45.41 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: had to use it to troubleshoot data corruption issue in a raid10 with 12 disks |
| 12:45.46 | ribasushi | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 <-- this lists multi-arch as a release goal for squeeze |
| 12:45.50 | ribasushi | this isn't happening is it? |
| 12:45.54 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 12:45.54 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
| 12:46.06 | abrotman | ribasushi: i believe they said dpkg does nto have that ability .. look in those two URLs |
| 12:46.20 | JyZyXEL | well in raid-5 it would be kinda cool in case you have to reconstruct the array from parity data |
| 12:46.24 | JyZyXEL | and the parity data is wrong |
| 12:46.32 | jelly | ribasushi: I don't see it happening before freeze. |
| 12:46.37 | abrotman | wouldn't be very good parity would it .. |
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| 12:46.58 | JyZyXEL | i doubt ext3 would notice that if the corruption hits data area |
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| 12:47.24 | ribasushi | jelly: got it |
| 12:47.26 | ribasushi | sad |
| 12:47.35 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you're confusing two different things ... |
| 12:47.42 | JyZyXEL | oh? |
| 12:47.46 | jelly | ribasushi: SIYH, eh |
| 12:47.50 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/crcloop/ |
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| 12:48.37 | abrotman | jelly: have you moved to canada? :) |
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| 12:48.52 | ribasushi | someone needs to write a FUSE driver with reed-solomon support |
| 12:49.02 | jelly | abrotman: thinking of it, eh? |
| 12:49.10 | abrotman | aye, eh |
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| 12:50.18 | jelly | ribasushi: raid6 is good enough for me |
| 12:50.30 | lindi- | ribasushi: why fuse? |
| 12:50.33 | jelly | it's not file-level, but meh |
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| 12:52.59 | JyZyXEL | how do you use the -C argument of fsck? |
| 12:53.22 | JyZyXEL | i heard it could be used to display a progress bar |
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| 12:53.36 | JyZyXEL | -C [ fd ] |
| 12:53.43 | JyZyXEL | it needs a file descriptor though |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | that's a file descriptor |
| 12:54.03 | JyZyXEL | why would i wanna output the progressbar to a file? i want it in my console |
| 12:54.11 | JyZyXEL | or terminal i mean |
| 12:55.39 | abrotman | so output it to the consol |
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| 12:55.41 | abrotman | e |
| 12:55.45 | JyZyXEL | how? |
| 12:55.48 | jelly | dear JyZyXEL, a file descriptor does not a file equal |
| 12:56.17 | JyZyXEL | "GUI front-ends may specify a file descriptor fd" |
| 12:56.25 | JyZyXEL | yet it won't accept an empty fd |
| 12:56.43 | jelly | JyZyXEL: fd 0 = stdin of an app, which is usually connected to the terminal for an interactive shell usage, fd 1 = stdout, fd 2 = stderr |
| 12:57.02 | jelly | jelly: tell it -C0 and see what happens |
| 12:57.10 | jelly | jelly: stop talking to yourself |
| 12:57.43 | wols_ | jelly: everything is a file, hence a filedescriptor points to a file |
| 12:58.02 | JyZyXEL | well i wouldn't call this a progress bar :-D |
| 12:58.05 | jelly | wols_: this is not plan9. Not everything is a file. |
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| 12:58.16 | JyZyXEL | its more like a scrolling progress lines |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | boohoo |
| 12:58.49 | jelly | JyZyXEL: write a nicer frontend, then |
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| 12:58.56 | JyZyXEL | there already is |
| 12:59.16 | JyZyXEL | the nice progress bar that appears on automatic fsck's done when booting up |
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| 12:59.44 | JyZyXEL | its all like [############### ] 45% |
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| 13:00.49 | wols_ | then maybe check your initscripts? |
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| 13:00.59 | Bohemian | how difficult is setting up cvs? |
| 13:01.06 | Bohemian | for a LAMP environment |
| 13:01.20 | Stereo | Bohemian: if you can, use something more modern like git |
| 13:01.20 | babilen | back to the nineties :) |
| 13:01.28 | Bohemian | why Stereo ? |
| 13:01.38 | abrotman | buzz words! |
| 13:01.40 | babilen | Bohemian: Or at least svn - but git is better |
| 13:02.12 | babilen | Bohemian: But configuring cvs can't be that hard. Install it and read its documentation in /usr/share/doc/cvs/ |
| 13:02.12 | abrotman | arch! |
| 13:02.13 | Bohemian | okay, any guides on setting up git? |
| 13:02.16 | zaltekk | great...just made an install with dm-crypt, and it isn't accepting my passphrase =/ |
| 13:02.19 | lxsameer | hi i install the fglrx in my debian but when the X want to load i |
| 13:02.20 | lxsameer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.29 | abrotman | installed it how? |
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| 13:03.35 | lxsameer | abrotman: yeah |
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| 13:04.35 | abrotman | waits for a translation .. |
| 13:04.36 | babilen | Bohemian: What do you need the version control system for? How will it be used? |
| 13:04.38 | wols_ | lxsameer: hint: the answer to a question which has the word "how" in it, isn't a binary yes/no affirmation. please try again |
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| 13:04.51 | Bohemian | babilen: to track changes that i make to our LAMP server and the website i run. |
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| 13:05.36 | babilen | Bohemian: So it will mainly be used by you in one location? |
| 13:05.40 | Bohemian | yes |
| 13:05.45 | molgrum | i would like to solve an openal-issue i'm having, games that require it fails to open a device so i'm thinking of downgrading that package to lenny somehow. i'm on squeeze |
| 13:05.50 | lxsameer | wols_: sorry i can't understand you , my english is not good |
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| 13:06.04 | babilen | Bohemian: git will work well for that - http://git-scm.com/documentation |
| 13:06.17 | babilen | lxsameer: how did you install fglrx? |
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| 13:06.40 | Bohemian | babilen: thanks. is it difficult to setup? |
| 13:07.02 | babilen | Bohemian: No, but you need to practice a bit to be able to use it efficiently .. |
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| 13:07.11 | lxsameer | babilen: i download it from ati.amd.com then kill my gdm , run the installer and choose the general option |
| 13:07.11 | Bohemian | so, more than 3 hours? |
| 13:07.16 | ribasushi | jelly: raid6 does not do real-time checking (no raid does) |
| 13:07.17 | babilen | Bohemian: Just read the manual and some of the articles there and play with it locally |
| 13:07.19 | Bohemian | just wondering if i can do it now |
| 13:07.20 | Bohemian | okay |
| 13:07.29 | babilen | Bohemian: The package is "git-core" |
| 13:07.31 | ribasushi | jelly: we are talking about verifying every read as it is being performed |
| 13:08.53 | abrotman | lxsameer: what is your video card? and which version of linux ? |
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| 13:09.56 | JyZyXEL | fscking a 3TB filesystem is slow D: |
| 13:10.14 | lxsameer | abrotman: ati hd 3300 debian squeeze linux 2.6.30 icompile it |
| 13:10.46 | Titan8990 | lxsameer: your quite behind on your updates |
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| 13:11.30 | wols_ | lxsameer: #ati. debian doesn't support downloads from ati.amd.com. it breaks your debian |
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| 13:11.54 | FabiOne | hi all |
| 13:11.55 | JyZyXEL | oh yea fglrx is that god awful proprietary ati driver |
| 13:12.08 | JyZyXEL | i was wondering where do i remember that name |
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| 13:12.28 | FabiOne | someone can help me with a cloned raid0+spare ? |
| 13:12.40 | FabiOne | *someone want to help me :) |
| 13:12.42 | JyZyXEL | FabiOne: cloned? |
| 13:12.57 | lxsameer | wols_: but one of our friend in this channel say that i should use that |
| 13:13.02 | FabiOne | yes, i do a dd of each disk in the old box |
| 13:13.07 | x86_ | is it possible to have both a static IPv4 IP as well as a static IPv6 IP on the same interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 13:13.13 | x86_ | seems they use the same configuration commands, was wondering how the init system would _not_ get confused? |
| 13:13.19 | x86_ | (for example, "address 10.10.10.122", "address 2001:675:3f34:90b:cae4::1", "netmask 255.255.255.0", "netmask 64") |
| 13:13.21 | lxsameer | wols_: is there any other way ( debian way ) to install a 3d driver for that |
| 13:13.47 | JyZyXEL | FabiOne: yes you can dd raid devices |
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| 13:14.14 | shylent | x86_: it is perfectly normal to have multiple addresses on the interface |
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| 13:14.33 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: i already do this with 2 disks raid0 with no problem |
| 13:14.33 | wols_ | !tell lxsameer about fglrx |
| 13:14.40 | lxsameer | Titan8990: what do you mean from quit behind of updates |
| 13:14.43 | x86_ | shylent: but if I had both IPv4 and IPv6 on the same interface, how would it know which netmask goes with which address? |
| 13:14.55 | JyZyXEL | FabiOne: but yet there is a problem? |
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| 13:15.33 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: the system boot but i see 2 md devices every with 1/2 raid set |
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| 13:16.23 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: in md0 i see the none, hdc1 in md1 hdd1,none |
| 13:17.05 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: obviously the raid are composed of hdc1,hdd1 |
| 13:17.32 | JyZyXEL | that is interesting, how did this happen? |
| 13:18.34 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: i'm going crazy, if I ran mdrun another md2 appear, it's a 2gb raid0 for the swap |
| 13:18.41 | JyZyXEL | im thinking in startup raid arrays are assembled automatically based on the superblocks on the raid devices |
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| 13:19.05 | Mowee | Hi ^^ |
| 13:19.11 | FabiOne | in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf i've DEVICE partitions |
| 13:19.47 | FabiOne | so i guess mdadm search for the superblocks to assemble arrays |
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| 13:20.16 | JyZyXEL | you might wanna try mdadm --examine on the devices |
| 13:20.45 | FabiOne | *note: the original disks are 164Gb the cloed disks are 320Gb |
| 13:20.46 | JyZyXEL | and then if its correct manually assembling the array |
| 13:20.53 | valdyn | partitioning a disk and ignoring that its in use can do funny things... |
| 13:20.59 | FabiOne | i try |
| 13:21.01 | FabiOne | now |
| 13:21.24 | FabiOne | uhmm |
| 13:21.46 | zitter | hi, how to know latest installed packages? |
| 13:21.58 | valdyn | zitter: /var/log/dpkg.log.6.gz |
| 13:21.59 | wols_ | zitter: dpkg -l <package> |
| 13:22.00 | valdyn | zitter: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:22.24 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: mdadm --examine /dev/md0 tell me that no md superblock detected |
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| 13:22.38 | JyZyXEL | no you do it on the individual devices |
| 13:22.42 | FabiOne | okok |
| 13:22.43 | FabiOne | i see |
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| 13:23.36 | valdyn | who in his right mind would do a raid0 anyway |
| 13:23.56 | JyZyXEL | maybe if your rich and can afford SSD's |
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| 13:24.18 | hoddell | experienced memory failure, resulting in disk having many inodes errors. after these are cleared, system can't both. stop at hald. what to look for? |
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| 13:24.28 | FabiOne | *i'm sorry, it's a raid1 |
| 13:24.31 | valdyn | hoddell: reinstall |
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| 13:25.13 | FabiOne | JyZyXEL: mdadm --examine result on http://pastebin.com/CsVYUaLB |
| 13:25.25 | hoddell | valdyn: exactly, i tried that with an installation disk. the keyboard and mouse freezes at "Detecting disks". |
| 13:25.39 | valdyn | FabiOne: thats different uuids |
| 13:25.51 | hoddell | tried many times, same thing happen. |
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| 13:25.52 | valdyn | FabiOne: so its 2 partitions belonging to different raids |
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| 13:26.40 | JyZyXEL | different UUID's |
| 13:26.44 | FabiOne | uhmm |
| 13:26.55 | FabiOne | i'm confused |
| 13:27.22 | valdyn | FabiOne: you partitioned while the disk was in use? |
| 13:27.40 | JyZyXEL | he dd'd the devices |
| 13:28.01 | FabiOne | the oriiginal box have 2 md, one for data mounted in / and other for the swap |
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| 13:28.33 | FabiOne | the bigger one (about 160Gb) is /, the 2,7Gb is for swap |
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| 13:28.57 | FabiOne | another tips |
| 13:29.23 | FabiOne | if i boot from a live trinity rescue lit distro, it mount correctly the arrays |
| 13:29.30 | FabiOne | *kit |
| 13:29.54 | valdyn | FabiOne: that could be different disks |
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| 13:30.07 | valdyn | FabiOne: we dont know if you are "seeing" all physically present disks |
| 13:30.34 | valdyn | FabiOne: and you didnt check the uuids against the physical device ids |
| 13:30.55 | FabiOne | in fdisk -l see http://pastebin.com/905jRb8A |
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| 13:31.19 | valdyn | FabiOne: only 2 disks in that computer? |
| 13:31.22 | FabiOne | no |
| 13:31.33 | FabiOne | there are 3 hdds |
| 13:31.40 | valdyn | FabiOne: so it doesnt seem odd to you that fdisk only shows 2 disks? |
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| 13:32.43 | FabiOne | when i boot from a live distro i see every disks and the right array |
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| 13:33.03 | FabiOne | so i suppose the kernel doesn't know the controllers |
| 13:33.10 | valdyn | FabiOne: right |
| 13:33.13 | hoddell | If I have a back-up drive, can I connect as the main drive, boot up a installation cd, then install-grub on this drive to make it bootable? |
| 13:33.23 | valdyn | FabiOne: uname -r |
| 13:33.41 | FabiOne | but again, when i change the sata port on the motherboard the situation is identic |
| 13:33.57 | FabiOne | syslog:~# uname -r |
| 13:33.57 | FabiOne | 2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 13:34.22 | valdyn | FabiOne: this is an etch kernel |
| 13:34.25 | valdyn | !etch |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 13:34.31 | JyZyXEL | hoddell: sure you can |
| 13:34.42 | valdyn | FabiOne: no surprise it doesnt see non-ancient hardware |
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| 13:35.10 | valdyn | FabiOne: lspci -k should show which controller has which driver if any |
| 13:35.14 | FabiOne | i repeat, changing the sata port on the motherboard i got same result |
| 13:35.16 | hoddell | thks, that's one way i can think of to get out of my present situation. |
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| 13:35.35 | FabiOne | -k ? |
| 13:35.42 | valdyn | FabiOne: yes, -k |
| 13:35.48 | FabiOne | lspci: invalid option -- k |
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| 13:36.03 | valdyn | FabiOne: i guess that option does not exist in etch lspci |
| 13:36.11 | JyZyXEL | hoddell: the topic in #grub has a good tutorial how to do a full install of grub from a live-cd |
| 13:36.20 | FabiOne | i think so |
| 13:36.37 | valdyn | FabiOne: why arent you using an up to date debia? |
| 13:36.39 | hoddell | ok, will check on that one, thks. |
| 13:37.03 | FabiOne | because i dd'd a running machine |
| 13:37.32 | valdyn | FabiOne: maybe backports.org has a newer kernel for etch |
| 13:37.33 | JyZyXEL | FabiOne: was the array running when you dd'd it? |
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| 13:37.38 | FabiOne | nono |
| 13:37.41 | JyZyXEL | :p |
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| 13:38.23 | FabiOne | what can i do? |
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| 13:38.26 | bpgoldsb | I've got some new hardware which isn't supported in Lenny's kernel. Compiling the modules from source is easy enough. But I would like to do it with module-assistant if possible. That way if I upgrade kernels, the module is rebuild. Can anyone point me to docs for doing this? sorry to babilen/abrotman, I missed your response yesterday |
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| 13:39.03 | FabiOne | there are a way to manually change the superblock on one of hdd? |
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| 13:39.41 | rhineheart_m | hello debian world! May I know on how to reformat lvm drive? thanks.. |
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| 13:40.45 | FabiOne | uhmm, if i change the uuid on the mdadm.conf file? |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | how did i get attacked ? |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | !tell bpgoldsb about kmuto |
| 13:41.11 | bpgoldsb | rhineheart_m: What filesystem do you want to use? And whats the lv name? |
| 13:41.27 | bpgoldsb | Ah, dpkg didn't give me anything last time you did that :) |
| 13:41.33 | Titan8990 | abrotman: attacked? |
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| 13:41.46 | abrotman | it was .. unexpected! |
| 13:42.09 | bpgoldsb | abrotman: I'll give that a shot, but I attempted to use Ubuntu/Lenny (also 2.6.32) and it lacked the drivers as well. |
| 13:42.10 | rhineheart_m | bpgoldsb: lv name is pve.. file system? mmm... 8e? or 83 (linux) |
| 13:42.20 | bpgoldsb | afaik, they may not be merged in with the main kernel |
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| 13:42.31 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: that is the partition type, not the filesystem |
| 13:42.33 | bpgoldsb | rhineheart_m: Think ext3, xfs, resiser |
| 13:42.44 | babilen | bpgoldsb: You can just install a newer kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) and use m-a with that |
| 13:43.07 | bpgoldsb | babilen: Sure... Except I can't do an install because it can't see my SAS RAID Controller :) |
| 13:43.18 | rhineheart_m | bpgoldsb: what's the best one? I just need to use it as an additional storage.. |
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| 13:43.39 | babilen | bpgoldsb: Ah, then use the kmuto images abrotman mentioned |
| 13:43.39 | bpgoldsb | rhineheart_m: ext is fine then. Do you know your volume group name? |
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| 13:44.46 | rhineheart_m | I added it already using.. pvcreate /dev/sdc1 then vgextend pve /dev/sdc1 |
| 13:44.56 | bpgoldsb | rhineheart_m: What you want to do is: 'mke2fs -t ext3 -j /dev/<VOLUME GROUP>/<LOGICAL VOLUME> |
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| 13:45.14 | bpgoldsb | So pve is your volume group, not logical volume |
| 13:45.26 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: you will still need to extend an existing LV or create new one using the space you added to the VG |
| 13:45.32 | bpgoldsb | run 'vgs' and 'lvs' and put them on a pastebin |
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| 13:47.35 | rhineheart_m | bpgoldsb: http://pastebin.com/9CzJUasz |
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| 13:49.16 | rhineheart_m | http://pastebin.com/23dZb0KZ bpgoldsb |
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| 13:49.47 | bpgoldsb | And which of those in lvs do you want to extend? |
| 13:50.00 | bpgoldsb | data, root, or swap? |
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| 13:50.44 | rhineheart_m | bpgolsb.. the data.. how can I redo everything? so that I can start another one.. in a way that I can extend my data? |
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| 13:51.58 | rhineheart_m | just wondering.. why pve I have this... pve 3 3 0 wz--n- 698.15G 469.76G well in fact this is a new reformated disk.. where does the 200GB go? |
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| 13:53.18 | rhineheart_m | just wondering.. why I have this... pve 3 3 0 wz--n- 698.15G 469.76G well in fact this is a new reformatted disk.. where does the 200GB go? |
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| 13:54.40 | bpgoldsb | I'm not sure I understand you. It looks like you have 469 gigs free. And 3 logical volumes available. |
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| 13:55.12 | bpgoldsb | You can either give some/all of that 469 gigs to one of the current volumes (data, root, swap) or create a new volume and mount it |
| 13:55.40 | bpgoldsb | The 200GB gets added to the total space of the volume group. |
| 13:56.03 | rhineheart_m | so I can't use that space? |
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| 13:57.18 | Skeeter- | Morning Folks |
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| 13:57.51 | Skeeter- | I would like to build a Debian Auto-Installer, choose language, region , etc automactily, is there a way to accomplish that? |
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| 13:58.36 | adb | Skeeter-, seems fai do that already |
| 13:59.07 | Skeeter- | adb, fai or fail |
| 13:59.37 | adb | !tell Skeeter- -about fai |
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| 13:59.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | or preseeding d-i, or using a golden image or ... |
| 14:00.17 | Titan8990 | IIRC, you can even use kickstart with debian |
| 14:00.23 | rhineheart_m | bpgoldsb: can't I use or free the 228.39GB so that I have enough room for data? |
| 14:00.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Titan8990: afaik so yeah, mostof it at least |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | !tell Skeeter- about preseed |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | !tell Skeeter- about fai |
| 14:01.01 | adb | *-about |
| 14:02.12 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | look at his nick .. pay attention |
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| 14:02.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 14:02.40 | adb | nothing , yes |
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| 14:02.58 | abrotman | you're not making any sense .. as usual |
| 14:05.12 | Skeeter- | adb abrotman thanks |
| 14:05.17 | rhineheart_m | I just can't get this.... "The 200GB gets added to the total space of the volume group." what does this mean? can't I simply add it so that I could have the full space? |
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| 14:07.57 | cerrertri | hai |
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| 14:08.31 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: with lvm you 3 things: pvs (the partitions themselves), volume groups (groups of partitions), and logical volumes (*usable* paritions crated from a volume group). You have only added a pv to a vg. In order for it to be usable you must allocated unused space in the VG to a logical volume |
| 14:08.41 | cerrertri | how do i mount a partition so that only 1 user has r/w access to it? |
| 14:08.58 | cerrertri | is that possible? |
| 14:09.26 | JyZyXEL | i think you can do it with both mount options and filesystem permissions |
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| 14:10.20 | cerrertri | with filesystem permissions i would have to create a directory inside the partition is mounted in |
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| 14:10.59 | cerrertri | i think |
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| 14:11.12 | wols_ | cerrertri: what filesystem on that partition? |
| 14:11.18 | cerrertri | ext3 |
| 14:12.08 | wols_ | cerrertri: man mount. especially look at the options for ext2 like "grpid" |
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| 14:12.20 | cerrertri | ok |
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| 14:13.03 | _Dave123_ | i am connecting to an ftp server with nc, and i get this http://privatepaste.com/3a5d2a72b6 when I try to list, does anyone see what i am doing wrong? |
| 14:13.19 | wols_ | to make user readable directories only, use the permission 700 |
| 14:14.12 | Skeeter- | i dont even know how to recompile a kernel, i guess auto-installer is not for me |
| 14:14.12 | wols_ | _Dave123_: what you're doing wrong is, not reading the ftp rfc. rfc uses 2 ports, data and command |
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| 14:14.31 | wols_ | Skeeter-: install kernel-package and read its documentation |
| 14:14.59 | Skeeter- | i was stating it has an exemple |
| 14:15.20 | Skeeter- | compiling isnt hard, making it worka n bootable is sth else |
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| 14:16.36 | _Dave123_ | wols_: yes, and i specified 2 ports? |
| 14:16.44 | _Dave123_ | wols_: or, not really understand what u mean |
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| 14:17.38 | fruitwerks | ok I have a working kernel now.. can someone help me move my install back to /dev/sda3? |
| 14:17.47 | wols_ | back from where? |
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| 14:18.33 | wols_ | some things make me speechless: < fruitwerks> I have been using Gentoo for 10 years - I will pick it up quickly lol |
| 14:18.46 | fruitwerks | haha |
| 14:19.07 | fruitwerks | I'm bad with copy and rsync operations |
| 14:19.24 | fruitwerks | I have my install on dev/sda2 and I need to move it to /dev/sda3 |
| 14:20.01 | roe | is there a 'Debian Way' to install vmware tools? |
| 14:20.04 | Titan8990 | wols_: using gentoo can give you an in-depth understanding of how things work in linux. this knowledge can cary over to other distros |
| 14:20.40 | bpgoldsb | Back in 2003, with no experience with linux, and being 17 years old, I was roped in to doing my first linux install. |
| 14:20.41 | wols_ | Et tu Titan8990? |
| 14:20.45 | bpgoldsb | It was Gentoo with no internet |
| 14:20.55 | bpgoldsb | I can testify that Gentoo will teach you A LOT about linux. |
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| 14:21.00 | fruitwerks | ok so I have way more than a base install, so don't tell me to bootstrap again :p |
| 14:21.08 | bpgoldsb | Mostly because you're always running around fixing broken crap :P |
| 14:21.14 | fruitwerks | *nod* |
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| 14:24.45 | fruitwerks | ... mount -o bind / ...? anyone |
| 14:25.29 | wols_ | !tell fruitwerks about bind mount |
| 14:26.04 | fruitwerks | yeah I know bind mount.. I want to copy my root fs to a diff partition - properly |
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| 14:28.03 | _Dave123_ | wols_: any idea where i can find that rfc spec? |
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| 14:29.01 | SPF | _Dave123_: google 1st hit: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc959.html |
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| 14:31.10 | rhineheart_m | bpgoldsb: please confirm this.. I can't use the used 228.39 GB anymore coz it has been used by the volume group.. correct? |
| 14:32.31 | bohne | hi, on a fresh installed debian, with changed to xen kernel, i get: http://pastebin.com/FxLA38cM |
| 14:32.54 | bohne | after configuring dom0 for 3 additional IP's , is there anyone who can help? |
| 14:33.07 | bohne | restarting networking causes: Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
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| 14:33.34 | fruitwerks | oh I hate that issue |
| 14:33.51 | bohne | fruitwerks: had or hate? ;) |
| 14:33.59 | fruitwerks | both |
| 14:34.09 | _Dave123_ | SPF: yes, but i need examples |
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| 14:34.20 | bohne | fruitwerks: do you have any hint? |
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| 14:34.49 | fruitwerks | I recall it means the rout for the IP is already configured |
| 14:35.19 | Titan8990 | bohne: ifdown <interface>; ifup <inferface>; instead of the init script |
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| 14:36.52 | bohne | Titan8990: mh its a remote server, will i lost the connection?;) |
| 14:38.09 | Titan8990 | bohne: yes, but you were going to lose the connection from restarting the init script too |
| 14:38.55 | bohne | Titan8990: i didn't so far, i'll try.. i can reboot it on demand if necessary |
| 14:39.35 | bohne | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 14:40.10 | mquin | 48 |
| 14:40.14 | bohne | Titan8990: this si strange because ifconfig shows eth0 clearly |
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| 14:40.42 | Titan8990 | bohne: pastebin you /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:41.19 | bohne | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/eF0eciCt |
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| 14:41.55 | Titan8990 | bohne: where are the IPs you added? |
| 14:42.04 | fruitwerks | what do I need in /dev/ to boot? |
| 14:42.08 | bohne | Titan8990: currently commented out |
| 14:42.23 | Titan8990 | bohne: oh, you added routes.. not IPs |
| 14:42.24 | bohne | Titan8990: line 16 to 18 |
| 14:42.32 | bohne | Titan8990: yes, sorry |
| 14:43.03 | Titan8990 | bohne: just add the routes in manually, unless you wanted to test it to make sure it works properly |
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| 14:43.15 | bohne | Titan8990: i put back all changes that i made, but networking restart |
| 14:43.55 | Titan8990 | bohne: actually... what do you expect those routes to do? |
| 14:43.56 | bohne | Titan8990: what you mean with "manually"? |
| 14:44.34 | bohne | Titan8990: the server ist hosted by a provider, and i've installed xen and i want to host 3 xen vm's on this machine |
| 14:44.56 | bohne | Titan8990: i already did that with another server without any problem, absolutlty the same.. |
| 14:44.58 | Titan8990 | bohne: route add -host 78.46.52.204 gw 78.46.52.204; this is telling your machine that in order to get to 78.46.52.204, it needs to send traffic to... 78.46.52.204. |
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| 14:45.37 | Titan8990 | bohne: I am just saying, I highly doubt those routes do anything at all |
| 14:46.55 | Titan8990 | bohne: and by manually, I mean using the "route" command |
| 14:47.57 | bohne | Titan8990: i followed this tutorial: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Xen_auf_einem_EQ_4_mit_Debian_Lenny_64Bit_und_4_IP%27s |
| 14:48.20 | bohne | Titan8990: see the routes in the middle of the page, its in english |
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| 14:49.29 | mryanbrown | when doing a dpkg-buildpackage im getting fakeroot debian/rules error exit status 2 |
| 14:49.31 | Titan8990 | bohne: I would try without first. I still don't think they would do anything, and I had to do nothing of the sort for my dom0 |
| 14:49.35 | mryanbrown | does dpkg have a log somewhere? |
| 14:49.50 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: build.log in source directory |
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| 14:49.52 | bohne | Titan8990: This is cause in the networking setup of hetzner, the ip-packets will be deliverd only to the mac-address of the physical interface. Xen set up an own mac-address for every ip, so the ip-packets for the additional ip's wouldn't be delivered without this entries. |
| 14:50.19 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: did you create your debian/rules file? |
| 14:50.36 | mryanbrown | the dh_make -f created a skeleton one |
| 14:51.00 | Titan8990 | bohne: I saw that, go for it |
| 14:51.26 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: have you already read the NMG? |
| 14:51.51 | mryanbrown | yeah, and took from it as much as I can/ esp all the importance of the proper copyright file etc |
| 14:51.56 | JyZyXEL | can dmesg timestamps be converted to real time? |
| 14:51.57 | mryanbrown | ive actually got 4 diff guides open |
| 14:52.01 | mryanbrown | jigsawwing info together |
| 14:52.23 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: pastebin your rules file |
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| 14:52.31 | mryanbrown | roger |
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| 14:53.39 | mryanbrown | http://pastebin.com/T5Ky6MHP |
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| 14:53.47 | mryanbrown | oh heey |
| 14:53.52 | mryanbrown | i chould try verbose first |
| 14:53.54 | mryanbrown | should* |
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| 14:54.08 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: /var/log/kern.log |
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| 14:55.28 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 14:55.44 | JyZyXEL | oh cool |
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| 14:55.51 | Titan8990 | mryanbrown: nothing obvious to me so head to where the packaging experts are |
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| 15:00.23 | FabiOne | how to check how much cdrw are presents in a machine? |
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| 15:13.34 | abrotman | Hydroxide: around ? |
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| 15:13.34 | tmg1|fwtaylor | ... |
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| 15:14.39 | fruitwerks | anyone ever install the free nx server? |
| 15:16.06 | pickcoder | pulls out hair |
| 15:16.20 | wols_ | collects pickcoder's hair |
| 15:16.21 | pickcoder | samba is not playing nice |
| 15:16.24 | wols_ | ohh..... new toupet |
| 15:16.59 | k-t| | lolz |
| 15:17.18 | pickcoder | I've not changed the configs on a samba share... but I've moved a mount-point server to a newer release of a diff distro |
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| 15:17.42 | pickcoder | same freaking mount statement... perm denied errors regardless of how I configure the gorups |
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| 15:18.17 | pickcoder | what's pissing me off is the fact that it works fine in Windoze |
| 15:18.21 | pickcoder | but not in Linux |
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| 15:23.49 | pickcoder | ok.. this is wierd.. perm denied error but the file shows up |
| 15:24.06 | pickcoder | touch: setting times of `tst': Permission denied |
| 15:24.42 | tharkun | I am evaluating the possibility of upgrading to testing. I've heard that hal and udev are no longer present. How does hw gets recognized on testing. If i am to drive a bumpy road. I want to know a few things in advanced :) |
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| 15:25.32 | pickcoder | argh.. nobody.nogroup |
| 15:25.38 | Hydroxide | tharkun: udev is still present. hal is deprecated but IIRC not gone |
| 15:25.51 | Hydroxide | tharkun: nobody is planning to eliminate udev |
| 15:26.12 | tharkun | Hydroxide: thx for the info |
| 15:26.23 | Hydroxide | np |
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| 15:26.53 | salvin | can i allow root login in kdm? like in gdm? |
| 15:27.07 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone can somebody help me setup wordpress on my system? |
| 15:27.13 | xxtjaxx | Im using lighttp |
| 15:28.19 | Titan8990 | xxtjaxx: wordpress has extensive documentation.... |
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| 15:29.08 | xxtjaxx | can you point me to one fitting debian and lighttp? |
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| 15:30.23 | Titan8990 | xxtjaxx: either aptitude install wordpress and read docs in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/ or grab the upstream tarball and follow their docs |
| 15:31.05 | User_007 | hello, everytime i login (in gdm) it takes about 10 seconds to load gnome. There is a way to shorten this time or move the load time for boot? |
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| 15:32.28 | User_007 | (i use Debian Squeeze AMD64, with readahead-fedora pkg) |
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| 15:34.23 | Titan8990 | User_007: readahead-fedora? |
| 15:34.49 | cahoot | hostname lookup that times out? |
| 15:35.07 | eshat | I just got the new Thinkpad X201 but the Key combination for suspend does not work,... there is even no xev event, any idea ? |
| 15:35.12 | User_007 | Titan8990, is the readahead package for squeeze |
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| 15:35.49 | Titan8990 | User_007: what does fedora have to do with it? |
| 15:36.16 | User_007 | how could i know, i downloaded from debian servers |
| 15:36.36 | User_007 | look for the package readahead |
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| 15:37.22 | cahoot | Titan8990: it's debians name for the package so ... |
| 15:37.28 | User_007 | Titan8990, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/readahead |
| 15:38.40 | Titan8990 | judd: versions readahead-fedora |
| 15:38.42 | judd | readahead-fedora -- sid: 2:1.5.4-5; squeeze: 2:1.5.4-5 |
| 15:38.58 | Titan8990 | ah, >= squeeze |
| 15:39.00 | babilen | Titan8990: readahead was developed by fedora hence the name |
| 15:39.07 | User_007 | there is a way to start gnome faster after gdm?? like speedup it or load with boot? |
| 15:39.14 | Titan8990 | babilen: yeah, but its simply "readahead" in lenny |
| 15:39.19 | babilen | ah |
| 15:39.22 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 15:56.34 | wpgmb | Hi, this is not specific to Debian (Squeeze) I believe, but I wonder if someone can help? Network manager applet 0.8 shows the wrong connection information. I thought that bug was fixed? If it is, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:59.25 | User_007 | there is a way to start gnome faster after gdm?? like speedup it or load with boot? |
| 16:00.27 | Bombo | how do i disable ipv6 in squeeze? i added /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf alias net-pf-10 off alias ipv6 off and rebooted, but according to netstat gdm is still just listening on udp6 |
| 16:00.36 | babilen | !noipv6 |
| 16:00.36 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
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| 16:00.54 | addikt1ve | hi |
| 16:00.58 | addikt1ve | hi :) |
| 16:01.01 | Bombo | oh |
| 16:01.03 | addikt1ve | I'd like to update my server from lenny to sid |
| 16:01.04 | Bombo | kay |
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| 16:01.15 | addikt1ve | is there a list of known bugs? |
| 16:01.16 | babilen | addikt1ve: Why? |
| 16:01.20 | babilen | !bts |
| 16:01.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 16:01.20 | wols_ | !tell addikt1ve about lenny->sid |
| 16:01.51 | addikt1ve | is there anything else to do than s/lenny/sid/g in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:02.11 | abrotman | addikt1ve: if you're asking, don't do it |
| 16:02.26 | addikt1ve | abrotman: if you don't know, don't answer |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | i do know .. |
| 16:02.34 | addikt1ve | so tell me :) |
| 16:02.35 | abrotman | i'm telling you that if you don't know .. don't do it |
| 16:02.46 | addikt1ve | I've been using debian for a while, and I used to hate it :p |
| 16:02.47 | abrotman | i'm not in the business of helping people screw up their machines |
| 16:02.57 | abrotman | especially not a server |
| 16:03.06 | wols_ | addikt1ve: if you hate it, please install ubuntu instead. thank you |
| 16:03.08 | addikt1ve | I'm not in the business of discussing philosophical aspects of an upgrade |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | then go learn how to do it .. don't beg |
| 16:03.29 | wols_ | addikt1ve: remember: YOU want help from US. better adjust your behaviour |
| 16:03.43 | addikt1ve | that's what I thought |
| 16:03.48 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 16:03.59 | babilen | addikt1ve: Why do you want to upgrade to sid? |
| 16:04.18 | abrotman | please don't ask that .. you'll get an answer you don't want |
| 16:04.29 | babilen | !tell addikt1ve about sid upgrade test |
| 16:04.34 | addikt1ve | actually I want to upgrade to testing |
| 16:04.36 | wols_ | why not? !sns is always fun to type |
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| 16:05.01 | wols_ | addikt1ve: please answer to babilen. he really wants to help you even if you don't believe it |
| 16:05.03 | addikt1ve | I'm an heavy archlinux user |
| 16:05.05 | abrotman | addikt1ve: testing and unstable don't have any real security support, if this is a public server, it will get compromised |
| 16:05.13 | addikt1ve | I don't know debian this much but I've been using it for years |
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| 16:05.18 | addikt1ve | I want to upgrade |
| 16:05.21 | addikt1ve | what's the big deal? |
| 16:05.33 | abrotman | no security support? broken packages? non-booting systems? |
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| 16:05.40 | peterrooney | addikt1ve: testing is NOT STABLE. |
| 16:05.42 | addikt1ve | abrotman: that's the fun :) |
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| 16:05.53 | abrotman | addikt1ve: then please go learn how to do this yourself |
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| 16:06.02 | wols_ | the big deal is, testing and unstable break. often. they have no security support. So if soemone doesn't know a fair amount of stuff about debian, it's basically a disaster in the making |
| 16:06.17 | wols_ | we don't want people to live through disaster and then think "debian sucks" |
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| 16:06.29 | peterrooney | addikt1ve: testing guarantees problems with package management, which, working, is part of the beauty of debian. |
| 16:06.46 | abrotman | and he still didn't answer babilen |
| 16:06.56 | addikt1ve | wols_: I already think that debian sucks, and I'm not going to cry :') |
| 16:07.03 | rvsjoen | I don't have the impression that testing breaks very often |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | addikt1ve: what is wrong with lenny? why do you feel you need testing/unstable ? |
| 16:07.26 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.33 | abrotman | rvsjoen: it depends on what you're using it for .. some stuff breaks all the time |
| 16:07.33 | addikt1ve | abrotman: yes I do |
| 16:07.39 | wols_ | sid breaks a lot more but you can hammer it into submission a lot easier |
| 16:07.43 | abrotman | addikt1ve: that was a question .. not a yes/no |
| 16:07.45 | rvsjoen | true |
| 16:07.49 | addikt1ve | abrotman: that was the answer |
| 16:08.00 | abrotman | if it smells like a troll ... |
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| 16:08.07 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 16:08.08 | babilen | addikt1ve: What are you trying to achieve? We don't care about your attitude towards Debian, but I don't think that many people want to help you if you show that kind of attitude. |
| 16:08.26 | addikt1ve | you all sound interesting |
| 16:08.48 | addikt1ve | why is it SO important to know the reasons of an upgrade? |
| 16:08.55 | addikt1ve | the more you ask the less I want to answer |
| 16:09.01 | abrotman | because you're asking us for help to break your computer |
| 16:09.01 | addikt1ve | it's not your business :) |
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| 16:09.05 | addikt1ve | haha |
| 16:09.06 | babilen | addikt1ve: Please, stop wasting our time. If you want to get some work done ask precise questions and state your rationale .. |
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| 16:09.15 | wols_ | addikt1ve: we feel likewise. have fun figuring it out yourself. good day |
| 16:09.25 | abrotman | addikt1ve: take a timeout for 10 minutes. You're asking us for help, we're asking you why .. Don't waste our time. |
| 16:09.43 | abrotman | Next time, answer the questions, even if you feel the answer should be obvious |
| 16:10.32 | smacnay | Is the icedove 3.x package in sid dependant on the gnome-icedove-support package anymore? I see that icedove is ready for an upgrade but there is no corresponding gnome-icedove-support package yet. |
| 16:11.05 | abrotman | smacnay: it's a suggest |
| 16:11.28 | abrotman | smacnay: wait, gnome-icedove-support or icedove-gnome-support |
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| 16:11.44 | smacnay | abrotman, sorry, that is what I meant. I am wondering if that gnome-icedove-support... just a sec.... |
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| 16:12.08 | smacnay | abrotman, icedove-gnome-support |
| 16:12.14 | abrotman | smacnay: it looks like that package is out of date .. you'll probably have to remove it if you want new icedove |
| 16:12.23 | yuger | hi i m trying to pair cellphone bluetooh+netbook bluetooth , but when i trys to connect gprs from netbook via bluetooth my cellohine show me a popup to enter a passcode but when i enter a passcode and hit ok , my netbook shows "connection refused" in terminal , problem is that devices aren't able to pair , any solution ? |
| 16:13.12 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks - I was wondering if that was the case. I wonder if there will be a new icedove-gnome-support package or if it obsolete. |
| 16:13.24 | abrotman | smacnay: probably won't know for a bit |
| 16:14.08 | wpgmb | Hi, this is not specific to Debian (Squeeze) I believe, but I wonder if someone can help? Network manager applet 0.8 shows the wrong connection information. I thought that bug was fixed? If it is, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 16:14.36 | valdyn | yuger: so add the netbook on the phone... |
| 16:14.42 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks - I will wait for a bit. It works just fine right now and I think the enigmail package in debian repos is not 3.x compliant yet. It would mean using the on-line enigmail from the tbird website as well. |
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| 16:18.13 | yuger | valdyn, when i try to add netbook on phone , phone ask to enter passcode , wat to fill in 'passcode' ? when i fill random number it show ' unable to pair with netbook' |
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| 16:19.24 | Titan8990 | abrotman: what did I miss? |
| 16:19.49 | abrotman | nothing good |
| 16:20.12 | wpgmb | ^ HA! I'm still waiting for a "good" answer :) |
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| 16:20.39 | erry | Hi how do you get the memtest86 option back in grub |
| 16:20.49 | valdyn | wpgmb: wrong how? |
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| 16:21.03 | tuvwx | slock powers down my screens. problems is: my hdmi-connected monitor won't come back on no matter what i do. i have to reboot to get it back on. this is new (a week or so). it used to come back on whenever i unlock the desktop |
| 16:21.20 | Titan8990 | erry: how did you remove it? |
| 16:21.24 | wpgmb | vadyn: The icon shows a disconnected state, while it's not |
| 16:21.29 | erry | Titan8990, it disapeared |
| 16:21.31 | erry | o.o |
| 16:21.45 | Titan8990 | erry: is the memtest package installed? |
| 16:21.51 | erry | Titan8990, idk lemme check |
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| 16:21.57 | polycarp | 6 |
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| 16:22.27 | valdyn | wpgmb: disconnected state is shown when you are disconnected *or* when the network is deactivated in nm-applet |
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| 16:22.51 | erry | Titan8990, whats the pakage name? |
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| 16:23.03 | erry | Titan8990, nvm. Installing. Thanks. |
| 16:23.03 | tuvwx | so, how do i force a shut-down monitor to come back on? |
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| 16:23.38 | lindi- | tuvwx: man xset and look for dpms and force on |
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| 16:23.50 | wpgmb | valdyn: neither is the case: I am connected, AND wired and wireless are both ticked. |
| 16:23.51 | Da_Wrecka | http://www.osnews.com/story/23131/Microsoft_Aims_to_Bring_apt_rpm-like_Tools_to_Windows - hah. Took them bloody long enough, eh? |
| 16:24.07 | valdyn | wpgmb: now when a network device is not controlled by nm then obviously it will show a disconnected state even if that interface is online |
| 16:24.31 | valdyn | wpgmb: -> is that interface that is online even controlled by nm ? |
| 16:25.07 | erry | Titan8990, i installed ti but my grub doesnt have the option still |
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| 16:26.17 | wpgmb | valdyn: how would I check that? This is a vanilla install |
| 16:26.22 | erry | Titan8990, i have a new debian but a legacy grub thanks to a problem i had :p |
| 16:26.26 | lxsameer | is there any init tool for radeon driver ? |
| 16:26.34 | valdyn | wpgmb: its listed in nm-applet if its controlled by nm |
| 16:27.16 | wpgmb | valdyn: yes, all interfaces (wired and wireless) are listed, and checked off in the applet. I'm online with it, and yet it shows as disconnected |
| 16:28.06 | cahoot | wpgmb: IIRC it's a known bug |
| 16:28.14 | wpgmb | oh wait.... if BOTH are checked off, but only wired is being used, would the disconnected stated refer to the wireless interface? lemme try... |
| 16:29.40 | wpgmb | strange... right-click the applet lets me check the interface, while left click tells me "device not managed" |
| 16:29.54 | wpgmb | perhaps I'm interpreting the status wrong? |
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| 16:30.04 | lxsameer | i have quad core AMD CPU , it's frequency set to 800Mhz , and it won't change with cpufreq-set -g performance . what can i do ? |
| 16:30.28 | Bombo | how do i connect to a remote running gdm? i added "[xdmcp] Enable=true" restarted gdm, then on the other machine i started X -query gdmserverip :1, but i just get the grey X screen, no login window, any hints? |
| 16:30.28 | valdyn | lxsameer: debian kernel? |
| 16:30.45 | lxsameer | valdyn: 2.6.32-trunk |
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| 16:31.00 | xxtjaxx | Bombo: ssh -X ? |
| 16:31.25 | Bombo | xxtjaxx: no just linux to linux |
| 16:31.59 | Bombo | xxtjaxx: do i need to have a ssh connection? |
| 16:32.01 | Bombo | hmm |
| 16:32.49 | Bombo | i thought the prot is XDMCP and X -query makes the connection |
| 16:32.50 | xxtjaxx | you can ignore gdm and just ssh in to the box and run your X11 dependent apps from the console |
| 16:32.54 | valdyn | lxsameer: cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/. read scaling_available_governors and scaling_governor |
| 16:33.19 | Bombo | xxtjaxx: but i want to see if the gdm login works |
| 16:33.35 | xxtjaxx | Bombo: another thing if you want X working there you should also enable X forwarding in sshd.conf |
| 16:34.05 | Bombo | i want to see the remote gdm login screen ;) |
| 16:34.14 | xxtjaxx | Bombo: is the gdm important? |
| 16:34.24 | valdyn | Bombo: thats disabled in gdm by default, did you change that? |
| 16:34.25 | xxtjaxx | why anyway? |
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| 16:34.51 | Bombo | xxtjaxx: i just want a remote grafical login |
| 16:35.05 | xxtjaxx | hmm |
| 16:35.11 | Bombo | valdyn: i added "[xdmcp] Enable=true" restarted gdm |
| 16:35.39 | Bombo | its listening on udp/177 |
| 16:35.45 | Bombo | according to netstat |
| 16:35.55 | valdyn | Bombo: use gdmsetup for this |
| 16:36.10 | valdyn | Bombo: at least i cant verify the config file for you |
| 16:36.23 | valdyn | Bombo: maybe it does just that , maybe not |
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| 16:37.47 | Bombo | hmmm |
| 16:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Bombo about xdmcp |
| 16:38.08 | jhutchins_lt | Bombo: See second sentance. |
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| 16:39.05 | pickcoder | if a samba share is mounted as guest with a local user/group, guest account is 'nobody' and the share has directory mask 0777 and create mask 0774, shouldn't the mounted directories show up as 777? |
| 16:39.24 | Bombo | jhutchins_lt: hm thats for xdm only |
| 16:39.41 | jhutchins_lt | Bombo: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 16:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | Bombo: ...and no, it's not for xdm only. |
| 16:42.10 | valdyn | Bombo: maybe try it locally first: Xnest -query localhost :1 |
| 16:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | Bombo: xdmcp is how all of the *dm's auth except ldm. |
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| 16:44.23 | Bombo | *checking* |
| 16:44.24 | polycarp | Is it possible to install kde3.5 from stable in Sid? (Looking for links/references but not finding anything.) |
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| 16:45.12 | lxsameer | does it needed to install cpufreqd for using cpufreq-set ? |
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| 16:46.31 | polycarp | lxsameer I believe so. |
| 16:47.09 | wols_ | polycarp: probably. why don't you just try? |
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| 16:47.35 | hargut | hello |
| 16:47.38 | polycarp | wols_ don''t want to brick my system |
| 16:47.39 | polycarp | ;) |
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| 16:48.02 | Titan8990 | polycarp: then you shouldn't be running sid |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | polycarp: It's unlikely to brick the console, you can recover from there. |
| 16:48.15 | polycarp | true |
| 16:48.24 | polycarp | Titan8990 Thx for nothing. |
| 16:48.37 | hargut | just a question for brainstorming, I want to build a debian bootable from a usb stick. The extra feature I want, is the possibility to load the whole image to RAM before booting. How could I solve that issue in the best way? |
| 16:49.20 | Titan8990 | hargut: you want to put debian live on a usb stick or install *to* a usb stick? |
| 16:49.43 | gnuword | hi sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this question: is "apache 2.2.9-10+lenny6" broken? apache2ctl start gives : apache2: bad user name apache |
| 16:50.26 | Titan8990 | gnuword: sounds like you changed the configuration to use the user "apache" instead of www-data |
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| 16:50.46 | Titan8990 | gnuword: my guess is you tried to port a config from another distro |
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| 16:51.45 | gnuword | no tha'ts from a vanilla install via aptitude. I haven't modified the envvers file either |
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| 16:52.50 | Titan8990 | gnuword: same thing with: invoke-rc.d apache2 start? |
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| 16:52.58 | Titan8990 | ,versions apache2 |
| 16:53.00 | judd | apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; squeeze: 2.2.15-2; sid: 2.2.15-3 |
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| 16:53.46 | Titan8990 | gnuword: pastebin envvars |
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| 16:55.35 | gnuword | hi I just get failed with invoke-rc.d apache2 start . export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data |
| 16:55.35 | gnuword | export APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data |
| 16:55.36 | gnuword | export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2.pid |
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| 16:55.51 | Titan8990 | gnuword: nice pastebin |
| 16:56.13 | gnuword | sorry, irc noobie |
| 16:56.16 | Titan8990 | gnuword: pastebin the output of invoke-rc.d apache2 start |
| 16:56.21 | Titan8990 | !paste |
| 16:56.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 16:56.25 | cusco | is there a simple tool that takes a screenshot of onlya portion of the screen.. and with a nice gui like click and select ?? |
| 16:57.23 | cahoot | cusco: the tool in gnome's menu |
| 16:57.30 | alecs1 | hi, I run kernel 2.6.33 from experimental, and some recent upgrade makes the radeon driver enable kernel mode setting; this breaks 3d, video and suspend/shutdown. Disabling KMS solves it. Is this to be expected? |
| 16:57.51 | cusco | cahoot: right... thanks |
| 16:57.53 | Da_Wrecka | Is it really that hard to fire up Photoshop/GIMP/insert other image editing application here and just crop out the important bits? |
| 16:58.14 | Titan8990 | !tell alecs1 about kms |
| 16:58.28 | Titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: if your taking hundreds of screenshots, yes |
| 16:58.33 | gnuword | http://pastebin.com/67cPuarU |
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| 16:58.44 | jelly | alecs1: questions about xorg in experimental are probably better answered in bts or in #debian-x on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:58.54 | Da_Wrecka | True, I hadn't considered that |
| 16:58.55 | bigpresh | Anyone ever had problems with nullmailer seemingly sending HELO, getting a 250 back, then hanging with no further action until the remote SMTP server gives up? |
| 16:59.16 | Titan8990 | gnuword: and you are actually running lenny? |
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| 16:59.22 | alecs1 | ok, I'll there, thanks |
| 16:59.44 | jelly | alecs1: I think they said it was a known bug tho, but ask there |
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| 17:01.48 | jelly | alecs1: also I misread, thought you were using experimental xorg, not experimental kernel... but there's a #debian-kernel while you're on oftc anyway ;-) |
| 17:01.59 | gnuword | Hi Titan8890, yes on a Xen virtual machine 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Mar 10 00:29:48 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:07.33 | Rezagrats | RAGE |
| 17:07.38 | Rezagrats | Error 5. ;_; |
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| 17:13.38 | jelly | Rezagrats: less rage, moar context |
| 17:13.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:13.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:14.19 | jelly | tho it's rage against the machine, so not that bad |
| 17:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it was his graphics card, not only state of mind |
| 17:14.30 | Rezagrats | Well, first it was error 16 or something and now it's error 5: parition table invalid or corrup. |
| 17:14.44 | wols_ | grub? |
| 17:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rezagrats, ever heard of the custom of starting a story at the beginning? |
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| 17:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't start "and they fucking didn't live happily ever after" |
| 17:15.04 | Rezagrats | I guess, wols_. |
| 17:15.08 | abrotman | Once upon a time, I was a young and eager CS student .... |
| 17:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually, that is |
| 17:15.20 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: he's more of an in medias res type |
| 17:15.23 | hargut | Titan8990: |
| 17:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, RAGE! |
| 17:15.52 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: there'll be a flashback after the commercials |
| 17:15.57 | hargut | Titan8990: Sry, for the delayed response. I want to be able to boot debian from the stick, but with option to run it from ram. |
| 17:16.08 | Rezagrats | You know... white people's stories start out with: "once upon a time" and black people's stories start out with: "YO, YOU MOFOS AIN'T GONNA BELIEVE THIS ****" |
| 17:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, which we'll gonna miss because we use the commercial-time for channel-hopping |
| 17:16.27 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeaaargh! Won't get fooled again! |
| 17:16.28 | hargut | Titan8990: like some live-cd's offer the option to load the cd-image to ram and then continue to boot from ram. |
| 17:17.12 | Titan8990 | hargut: I would actually ask #debian-live on oftc |
| 17:17.24 | hargut | Titan8990: thanks for the hint. |
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| 17:17.46 | lxsameer | is there any tool for tracking linux kernel problems ? |
| 17:18.15 | wols_ | there is no kernel debugger. linus decreed it thus |
| 17:18.40 | zinx | wols_: o_O |
| 17:19.00 | zinx | wols_: kgdb/etc no longer exist? |
| 17:19.00 | Titan8990 | lxsameer: kerneloops |
| 17:19.13 | wols_ | zinx: sgi made a debugger I think,yes |
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| 17:19.27 | zinx | wols_: uhm, last i checked gdb worked with the kernel |
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| 17:19.37 | lxsameer | Titan8990: i think my kernel have some issues . does that help me to found out |
| 17:19.41 | calamari | hi |
| 17:19.45 | wols_ | seems it was integrated in 2.6.26. my bad |
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| 17:19.58 | maligor | atleast partly it was |
| 17:20.03 | wols_ | lxsameer: if you have to ask: no |
| 17:20.18 | maligor | I think the original commit only had serial support |
| 17:20.20 | Titan8990 | lxsameer: uhh, if your a kernel dev maybe |
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| 17:21.04 | lxsameer | Titan8990: hmmmmmm , thats bad |
| 17:21.16 | maligor | lxsameer, if you're getting errors in dmesg, you might share them |
| 17:21.20 | calamari | I did something to my system and now when I run startx, X loads, but openbox doesn't. I've been trying to trace through the scripts that would finally start openbox, but I am getting lost. I realize this may not be the problem, but I'd like to understand anyways. |
| 17:22.10 | lxsameer | maligor: not dmesg but in boot time i get plenty of strings about removing sysfs |
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| 17:22.32 | maligor | udev errors? |
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| 17:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | calamari, you get x without WM? |
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| 17:22.50 | calamari | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah |
| 17:22.59 | maligor | lxsameer, it might help if you could provide the exact message |
| 17:22.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happens when you start it yourself? |
| 17:23.11 | calamari | not sure, let me try that |
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| 17:23.32 | lxsameer | maligor: but where does the boot message logs ? |
| 17:23.43 | lxsameer | *logged |
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| 17:24.04 | Rezagrats | No one has a solution for 'Error 5: Partition table invalid or corrupt' ? |
| 17:24.05 | calamari | I get a plain black screen, no mouse pointer.. and no cross-stitch pattern (or is that obsolete) ? |
| 17:24.50 | calamari | ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't seem to kill it either, which makes me think the keyboard isn't detected anymore? |
| 17:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean X doesn't start but hangs |
| 17:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's got nothing to do with openbox |
| 17:25.06 | calamari | apparently so |
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| 17:25.21 | abrotman | !tell calamari about dontzap |
| 17:25.22 | calamari | thanks |
| 17:25.40 | maligor | lxsameer, I'm not actually too sure, maybe /var/log/syslog? |
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| 17:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, they disabled that? |
| 17:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? |
| 17:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what were they thinking? |
| 17:26.27 | lxsameer | maligor: not in there |
| 17:26.46 | calamari | CutMeOwnThroat, well it's not too useful if you are running something like kdm or gdm |
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| 17:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 17:27.51 | maligor | it's like read mail real fast... allows you to avoid pushing random gui buttons |
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| 17:28.24 | _strog | hi i use a debian without a gui, so console only. I wanted to know how to tell the machine to get it's wlan card into an unsecure wlan |
| 17:28.29 | _strog | automatically |
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| 17:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Set it up in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:29.09 | _strog | true but how? |
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| 17:29.52 | _strog | jhutchins_It: i know how to get a static ip to an interface but not how to configure the wlan |
| 17:29.54 | hargut | Titan8990: Nice hint, have the answer already. The debian live stuff seems to offer an option "toram" on boot which does exactly what I want. |
| 17:30.35 | Titan8990 | hargut: ah, nice |
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| 17:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: You can still use dhcp if you need to, you put the wlan parameters in the same place. I think man interfaces covers it pretty well, and dpkg's wifi factoid has a pretty good guide. |
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| 17:35.03 | calamari | the only EE I'm getting in my X log is "(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory". But it seems to be loading the radeon driver later, so is that important? |
| 17:35.20 | Titan8990 | calamari: that should be non-fatal |
| 17:35.30 | calamari | okay thanks |
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| 17:37.16 | jimbob | hi, is there a way to have the debian installer fetch the packages from a dvd that is being served on a local network via http/ftp/nfs? I want to install debian on a pc that has no dvd drive. I can't install over the internet because I'm on a modem connection right now. netboot works already. I just can't find a way to get the installer to use anything other than a debian mirror. |
| 17:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | _strog, did you look in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz and at "man interfaces"? |
| 17:38.33 | _strog | ill check that |
| 17:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | _strog, it's not hard... you just configure dhcp on any auto-connected ap |
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| 17:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would pastebin mine, but this is not my laptop :) |
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| 17:39.27 | _strog | CutMeOwnThroat:i followed this link |
| 17:39.27 | _strog | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so I'd need to make things up |
| 17:39.33 | _strog | but doesnt help me |
| 17:39.36 | jimbob | please? *sobs uncontrollably* |
| 17:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives jimbob a lolly |
| 17:40.27 | jimbob | meh |
| 17:40.28 | lxsameer | how can i found out the packages that apt-get build-dep will install? |
| 17:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | jimbob: Have you read the install guide? Seems like nfs install is in there somewhere. |
| 17:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jimbob, there's also usb sticks these days... |
| 17:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | lxsameer: -s |
| 17:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a 100 possible ways to do this, none of them as exceptionally simple as pushing a CD in |
| 17:41.39 | jimbob | jhutchins_lt: I've read them all ... no mention of that. the only thing that comes close is those guides to setup a local repository |
| 17:42.01 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't debian implement somekind of binary delta system into apt-get? |
| 17:42.02 | jimbob | which isn't possible I think with only the DVD images ... |
| 17:42.10 | JyZyXEL | that would significantly reduce traffic |
| 17:42.30 | JyZyXEL | especially for SID users |
| 17:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jimbob, how do you start installation? |
| 17:42.34 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, I've only got a 512MB stick around |
| 17:42.42 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, PXE boot from a gentoo laptop |
| 17:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | jimbob: Seriously? I'm sure there are options for nfs/http/ftp installs. Still, the data does need to be formatted as a repository for the package system to manage it. |
| 17:42.47 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: not really |
| 17:42.48 | JyZyXEL | when a little upgrade happends in a huge package you have to apt-get the whole thing |
| 17:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 17:42.52 | JyZyXEL | wols_: hows so? |
| 17:43.10 | wols_ | cause if you change one line in sourcecode the resulting binary is very very different |
| 17:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jimbob, try if you can use sshfs to mount it in the same place as the cd would be mounted |
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| 17:43.24 | JyZyXEL | oh i didn't know that |
| 17:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | or nfs or whatever... |
| 17:43.34 | jimbob | jhutchins_lt: the only option the installer gives is to enter your own address for a mirror, and whether to use ftp or http |
| 17:43.41 | JyZyXEL | i figured it would only be a minor binary change :( |
| 17:44.13 | jimbob | I've tried mounting the iso in the documentroot/debian and giving that to the installer, but it just says "invalid archive mirror" or somesuch |
| 17:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what type of installation procedure your type of booting gives you |
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| 17:45.52 | jimbob | I used the netinst.tar.gz for my arch |
| 17:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm saying you should try to use "local disk" or "cd" type installation by mounting the cd onto the machine that's about to be installed |
| 17:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno if the installer cds have sshfs (doubtful) |
| 17:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | or what else could be used for mounting |
| 17:46.39 | jimbob | what's even better, as far as I could see there is also no way to install debian from a local fs |
| 17:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might just get a bigger usb stick... they're cheap these days :) |
| 17:46.54 | jimbob | PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong |
| 17:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure there is |
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| 17:47.42 | jimbob | I couldn't find anything on the net, and believe me, I've wasted the whole day doing that |
| 17:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have NOT read the installation guide |
| 17:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 17:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 17:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually that's only booting |
| 17:49.07 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, that explains how to start the installer ... I've managed that. Now to get to the next step :) |
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| 17:49.40 | calamari | actually.. I was redirecting startx output... now I see he keeps saying "Mo protocol specified" over and over again |
| 17:49.40 | jimbob | see what I mean? you think it's the most obvious thing that should be possible ... but it doesn't seem to be |
| 17:49.50 | calamari | *No |
| 17:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure it was in there |
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| 17:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jimbob, did you try if you can mount external things? |
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| 17:51.19 | jimbob | you mean like a floppy? |
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| 17:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, like from the network |
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| 17:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s02.html.en |
| 17:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks easiest would be to let it search for the iso |
| 17:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can always mount the cd into the appropriate place yourself |
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| 17:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can mount, that is |
| 17:52.45 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting, I don't get that from the netboot kernel |
| 17:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you choose expert mode? |
| 17:53.06 | jimbob | YES |
| 17:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever that does... |
| 17:53.30 | jimbob | it allows me to choose between ftp and http mirrors :P that's about it |
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| 17:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I actually don't understand why there isn't a tar.gz of a base installation somewhere with an i386 kernel and no X |
| 17:54.36 | jimbob | actually that seems like a not so dumb idea. I'll try booting the installer from the DVD via the network, mount the iso via nfs and see if the installer finds it |
| 17:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you mount via nfs? |
| 17:54.58 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, good question |
| 17:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can mount in any way, that's it |
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| 17:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and it's here: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch02s04.html.en#id2705162 |
| 17:55.20 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, not with the netinst installer, which is really funny |
| 17:55.30 | jimbob | but the dvd installer should be able to |
| 17:56.31 | jimbob | now that I think about it ... the netinst installer seems to be purpose built to just do an install via the internet |
| 17:56.49 | simonrvn | uh, yeh. "net install" |
| 17:56.55 | lxsameer | can i install the packages that build-dep will install from normal repo ( not source ) ? |
| 17:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the netinstall image should be enough to give you a base install, though |
| 17:57.18 | jimbob | simonrvn, some people may understand "net install" to include a local network |
| 17:57.43 | simonrvn | only if they don't read the install guide |
| 17:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you can access the packages from the netinstall image, you should just finish installation of that, then mount the dvd and add packages |
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| 17:58.58 | jimbob | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't have the netinstall image. I just use the installer from netboot.tar.gz. |
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| 17:59.11 | TorChimp | Does anyone know of a script that would dump users from LDAP to the local machine - want to decommision a halfassed LDAP setup back to local accounts for now. |
| 17:59.25 | davidj | Hi. I'm getting a lot of errors from apt like this one: "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release.gpg Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80" |
| 17:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yech, well, I'm not at all sure what you're brewing... I'm sure it's lunchtime, though |
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| 17:59.52 | jimbob | simonrvn, please point me to the page where it says how to install from a local network. there is none. If you find it, I'll give you a handjob |
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| 18:00.06 | simonrvn | i didn't say that |
| 18:00.18 | jimbob | the closest thing I've found is how to setup a local repository |
| 18:00.18 | davidj | TorChimp: Can you get the clear-text password out of ldap? |
| 18:00.21 | simonrvn | and i wouldn't want a handjob anyway |
| 18:00.52 | TorChimp | david - don't care about password (key auth for everything) just want the actual accounts / groups created |
| 18:01.21 | rvsjoen | torchimp: maybe you can just use getent passwd to make a new passwd file |
| 18:01.33 | calamari | solved it!!! multiple problems.. but it boiled down to 1) somehow some config files in my home directory were owned by root 2) corrupted .Xauthority file and crap in /tmp |
| 18:02.03 | davidj | TorChimp: Then you should be able to dump the ldap db to an ldif file, and use grep to pick the account names out. |
| 18:02.06 | TorChimp | zvsjoen: I tought about that too - just that wasn't sure what would be the effect of having the shadow file not match up with the passwd file |
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| 18:02.20 | rvsjoen | you can getent the shadow and group file too |
| 18:02.55 | davidj | TorChimp: I'd do something like "for ACCT in `grep FOO bar | cut -d\: -f2` do useradd $ACCT" |
| 18:03.22 | TorChimp | rvsjoen - i can getent passwd and group, shadow returns nothing |
| 18:03.29 | rvsjoen | torchimp: as root ? |
| 18:03.31 | davidj | You'll need to tinker with the grep & cut until it gives you a list of accounts. |
| 18:03.54 | rvsjoen | using useradd you have to take care to re-use the same uid's |
| 18:04.01 | TorChimp | Davidj -- only issue is I'd like to get the local users created BEFORE removing ldap, in order to use useradd i'd need ldap gone correct otherwise it see's the UID as already on the system |
| 18:04.03 | rvsjoen | otherwise the permissions will be all wrong |
| 18:04.15 | TorChimp | rsvjoen - yes as root |
| 18:04.30 | rvsjoen | strange, it dumps a complete shadow file here |
| 18:04.54 | TorChimp | rsvjoen - crap sorry pebkac, mistype |
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| 18:05.50 | davidj | The uid is in the ldif file, too, isn't it? |
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| 18:06.00 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 18:06.04 | TorChimp | david - yes |
| 18:06.26 | TorChimp | actually just using getent and dumping to the files directly looks like the easiest to script out |
| 18:06.28 | abrotman | jimbob: how about finishing the install, and then putting the ISO on the new system and mounting the ISO over loopback ? |
| 18:06.41 | davidj | A bash script to split an ldif into multiple files (1 per account) wouldn't be that hard to write. |
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| 18:06.59 | Sapote | hi all! |
| 18:07.25 | davidj | Then write a second on to pull the name, uid, home directory, and any other tidbit you want kept from a single file. |
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| 18:07.50 | rvsjoen | harder than for x in "passwd group shadow"; do getent $x > /etc/$x; done :) |
| 18:08.09 | rvsjoen | just back up the old files first :P |
| 18:08.30 | davidj | rvsjoen: OK |
| 18:08.58 | davidj | rvsjoen: Also, you probably want ">> /etc/$x" ;-) |
| 18:09.14 | rvsjoen | no, getent returns the full list |
| 18:09.15 | davidj | Otherwise, you wind up with one user. |
| 18:09.39 | rvsjoen | priority set by nsswitch.conf I think |
| 18:09.40 | davidj | doh |
| 18:09.49 | TorChimp | ya that makes sense |
| 18:10.29 | TorChimp | nice part about getent method rather than doing ldif is because getent assumes everything is local, so I don't lose any existing local accounts that i may not know about |
| 18:10.59 | davidj | Anyone else seeing errors connecting to security.debian.org when running apt-get? |
| 18:11.32 | davidj | Now that I've thought it through, I agree that getent is a much better solution. |
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| 18:13.55 | Sapote | i want to get snmp values every second from a host and make graphics. What application suggest me on linux? |
| 18:14.00 | TorChimp | for file in "shadow passwd group"; do cp /etc/$file /etc/$file.bak; getent $file > /tmp/$file; mv /tmp/$file /etc/$file; done |
| 18:14.01 | abrotman | cacti ? |
| 18:14.10 | TorChimp | i guess also check permission stuff as well in there |
| 18:14.38 | davidj | Sapote: cacti |
| 18:14.39 | TorChimp | sapote - cacti, but wouldn't be every second ( well could be but ouch) |
| 18:14.45 | rvsjoen | cacti is one, you can do it yourself with rrdtool if you really want to, and you have mrtg as well |
| 18:14.58 | rvsjoen | probably more that I can't remember right now |
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| 18:16.40 | Sapote | davidj, TorChimp have a cacti work now in my network. But need some app for watch one device at once. |
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| 18:17.11 | TorChimp | any issue with just grabbing sar data and then using ksar to graph it later |
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| 18:18.47 | Sapote | i grab snmp data with cacti. Only find to watch params in realtime for once network device. |
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| 18:28.53 | jhutchins | What is the procedure again for removing somethng (noatun) that has imbicilic dependencies (all of kde)? |
| 18:29.19 | jhutchins | ... and do I report that against kde or noatun? |
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| 18:29.59 | jhutchins | Is it as simple as --nodeps? |
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| 18:32.16 | wols_ | use dpkg and --force? and to fix the damage, use an equivs package? |
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| 18:42.40 | Rapsodius | How do I use fluxbox wm in gdm WITHOUT being root |
| 18:42.42 | Rapsodius | ? |
| 18:43.04 | abrotman | that's the way it sohuld normally work .. make sure you've done 'aptitude install xorg gdm fluxbox' |
| 18:43.25 | Rapsodius | abrotman: only root can run aptitude install |
| 18:43.35 | Rapsodius | I said without root access |
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| 18:44.04 | Rapsodius | ie unpackaging fluxbox.deb into a home subfolder |
| 18:44.05 | MrWax | how to reset the network interface and restart? |
| 18:44.10 | wols_ | install fluxbox in your ~ and do a ~/.xinitrc |
| 18:44.26 | wols_ | MrWax: /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 18:44.31 | Rapsodius | wols_: .xinitrc is read if gdm is present? |
| 18:45.00 | Rapsodius | MrWax: also you can sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0 |
| 18:45.11 | Rapsodius | or whatever your card is named |
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| 18:51.15 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 18:51.48 | hargut | got quite late, I think I need to go out for a beer or so. :) |
| 18:53.07 | Nebukadneza | i'm just setting up a new server, i installed spamassassin which installed /etc/spamassassin/65_debian.cf - but i cannot find anything in the other spamassassin configs that seems to load/include/whatever that file - how is that file loaded? |
| 18:54.07 | Titan8990 | Nebukadneza: it probably loads the whole directory. That is why those file names are usually started with a number, so its easier to control which is loaded first |
| 18:54.38 | Nebukadneza | Titan8990: okay, thanks |
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| 18:55.35 | wols_ | Nebukadneza: man run-parts |
| 18:56.28 | MrWax | Rapsodius: pthanks |
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| 18:57.16 | irong | how do i resize an image with convert? |
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| 18:59.29 | simonrvn | woops |
| 18:59.40 | wols_ | iatrou: tried convert -help? |
| 18:59.53 | simonrvn | got killed |
| 19:00.45 | Nebukadneza | wols_: kay, thanks too :P |
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| 19:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rapsodius, .debs are just tar.gz's in an ar archive |
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| 19:02.40 | Rapsodius | CutMeOwnThroat, right just a dpkg -x away from its contents |
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| 19:03.13 | Rapsodius | However I do want to init fluxbox instead of the default KDE 3 when logging to my session |
| 19:03.20 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:03.21 | Rapsodius | and I don't have root access |
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| 19:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, wols_ told you |
| 19:04.34 | simonrvn | you don't need root access to do that |
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| 19:04.54 | Rapsodius | but he didn't answer, will gdm read that file? |
| 19:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he suggested it because it's never read by anything anytime |
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| 19:05.37 | Rapsodius | I guess gdm does some black magic to the x server |
| 19:05.39 | dsv | what cli tool can i use to resize an image? convert doesnt work. |
| 19:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | convert does work |
| 19:05.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and |
| 19:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 19:05.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:06.10 | dsv | CutMeOwnThroat, can you give me an example |
| 19:06.22 | Rapsodius | so if i am to create .xinitrc, it would be like ~/icewm/icewm & |
| 19:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you tell me what doesn't work |
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| 19:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rapsodius, you should exec something there... |
| 19:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | convert -scale 1200 x.jpg y.jpg |
| 19:07.39 | dsv | CutMeOwnThroat, the image created isnt read by others |
| 19:07.56 | Rapsodius | exec X? |
| 19:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the wm for example |
| 19:08.16 | Rapsodius | icewm is a wm... |
| 19:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you exec the process that will end X if it's ended |
| 19:08.35 | Rapsodius | but instead of running in the background... |
| 19:08.41 | Rapsodius | ah ok |
| 19:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | which can be an xterm |
| 19:09.01 | Titan8990 | Rapsodius: exec <wm>; all you need. I personally prefer: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 19:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whatever |
| 19:09.11 | Rapsodius | I thought gdm got that already |
| 19:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dsv, what file, what others |
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| 19:09.40 | Rapsodius | I will give it a try |
| 19:09.44 | Rapsodius | thanks! |
| 19:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about YOU give a concrete example so we know what you talk about? |
| 19:10.43 | dsv | CutMeOwnThroat, convert '/mnt/da/DCIM/10/b.jpg' -resize 20% a.jpg |
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| 19:12.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that actually works fine for me |
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| 19:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | I've always used -scale |
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| 19:25.01 | wols | lmgtfy: http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+resize |
| 19:25.46 | Titan8990 | wols: no, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=covert+resize |
| 19:25.59 | daffidity | Titan8900: :-) I was also tempted |
| 19:26.11 | wols | no. I already googled it. so mine is obviously the right url |
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| 19:27.15 | bfrog | how does debian avoid package repositories from being out of sync? |
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| 19:28.02 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: They don't. |
| 19:28.07 | wols | you mean the mirrors? |
| 19:28.09 | bfrog | yeah |
| 19:28.16 | wols | see what jhutchins_lt said |
| 19:28.19 | bfrog | so I mean, what happens if there's like an openssl or libpng upgrade |
| 19:28.32 | bfrog | and you happen to upgrade in the middle of the packages being sync'd |
| 19:28.36 | bfrog | then lots of stuff might not work |
| 19:28.45 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: Lots of stuff might not work. |
| 19:28.47 | Titan8990 | bfrog: they use a push-pull system describbed here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 19:28.47 | wols | the old package is still on disk while the new one is uploaded |
| 19:28.59 | wols | it's not overwritten |
| 19:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: It happens. |
| 19:30.12 | bfrog | ok |
| 19:30.14 | bfrog | just wondering |
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| 19:30.22 | bfrog | cause I mean, that just happened with archlinux, openssl upgrade |
| 19:30.24 | bfrog | and man... |
| 19:30.33 | bfrog | I must have caught the repo right in the middle of the sync |
| 19:30.38 | bfrog | totally borked stuff up |
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| 19:32.31 | Lns | I <3 lenny-backports.. :) |
| 19:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: Usually that only is a problem when a sync fails for some reason. Mirrors may have a mechanism that doesn't commit the changes to the public repo until the job completes. |
| 19:33.30 | bfrog | that would be smart |
| 19:33.36 | bfrog | apparently the archlinux mirror I picked didn't do that |
| 19:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: What's really fun is if the broken packages affect the package manager. |
| 19:33.48 | bfrog | what do I expect from um flint though |
| 19:33.54 | bfrog | its flint michigan after all... :-P |
| 19:34.00 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: Like I said, if the sync job fails for some reason they don't alway scatch it. |
| 19:34.06 | bfrog | yeah, in this case |
| 19:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: of course, unstable repos like sid get that way without the need of failure. |
| 19:34.17 | bfrog | openssl broke pacman, archlinux's package tool |
| 19:34.36 | bfrog | but only for me and a few select other people apparently, easy enough to fix |
| 19:34.38 | bfrog | just annoying :-P |
| 19:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | bfrog: Some people make a habit of not grabbing updates the instant they're available, but waiting for the mirrors to stabilize. |
| 19:35.12 | bfrog | yeah, well, thats arch right, basically somewhere in between unstable and testing debian repos |
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| 19:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | The various cron utils for apt are helpful with this. |
| 19:35.25 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: arch linux is a rolling release, the mirrors never stabilize |
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| 19:35.30 | bfrog | thats probably a sane way of doing it |
| 19:35.36 | bfrog | they do to some degree |
| 19:35.41 | bfrog | when people sleep |
| 19:36.04 | bfrog | I've only ever had two issues, openssl and libpng before it |
| 19:36.20 | bfrog | and both just required finding a mirror that was in sync |
| 19:36.32 | bfrog | anyways, was just curious how debian dealt with stuff like that |
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| 19:40.16 | yagoo | hi, for a freeradius(for wifi), there a simple wiki or guide somewhere? currently at http://freeradius.org/doc/ , I'm only hoping it's nothing more than 3-5 lines in a configuration file. (just need a very simple wifi setup) |
| 19:40.35 | yagoo | cant seem to find what he's looking for at current site |
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| 19:43.29 | Titan8990 | yagoo: if you want simple use WPA alone. RADIUS is not just not simple |
| 19:44.10 | SerajewelKS | WPA has the advantage that, aside from being simple, it works with more than two devices on the planet |
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| 19:44.34 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: any business class equipment should support RADIUS |
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| 19:44.37 | yagoo | Titan8990, my router box offers radius ip#'s.. I'm hoping to get it working once i start looking more into it.. |
| 19:45.11 | Titan8990 | yagoo: the radius server should be independant of the AP |
| 19:45.54 | yagoo | Titan8990, well speak to dlink, they have RADIUS textual input boxes to work with radius servers |
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| 19:46.00 | yagoo | lol |
| 19:46.14 | Titan8990 | yagoo: right, to interact with a server seperate from the AP |
| 19:46.19 | yagoo | so it is not that complex, so i'll just sort of nod at things |
| 19:46.26 | yagoo | Titan8990, of course |
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| 19:48.09 | Titan8990 | yagoo: also, if you plan to use TLS, you need to recompile the debian package for freeradius IIRC |
| 19:48.30 | Titan8990 | something to due with license restrictions with openssl |
| 19:48.39 | Titan8990 | s/due/do |
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| 19:51.16 | Sitem | i installed xorg* package from apt-get, now wireless mouse and keyboard isnt working on my debian Sid |
| 19:51.46 | Titan8990 | !sid broke |
| 19:51.54 | jelly-home | Sitem: you know where to file bugs. |
| 19:52.33 | Titan8990 | !sid breaks |
| 19:52.34 | dpkg | from memory, sid breaks is packages in sid break, and often. wait a few days and quit complaining. it's called unstable for a reason |
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| 19:53.51 | SerajewelKS | an xorg upgrade broke x completely for me... i'm just waiting for my need for linux on my laptop to overcome my need to not dick with WPA from the CLI so i can see if it's been fixed. :) |
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| 19:54.04 | hramrach | Sitem: didn't you run out of batteries ;-) |
| 19:54.05 | jelly-home | Sitem: this channel isn't really about sid. If you want to warn about specific versions being broken and see if it happens to someone else, perhaps you should provide more details. |
| 19:54.36 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 19:54.37 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 19:54.53 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: it is too for sid... well, at least for mocking people who use sid and then complain that it broke |
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| 19:55.02 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 19:55.38 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: only if done tastefully. |
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| 19:56.45 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: but of course |
| 19:56.54 | jelly-home | perhaps that factoid should say "describe their problems in well defined bug reports" instead of "solve their own problems" |
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| 19:57.07 | hramrach | running the experimental X packages. Sid is too old :-P |
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| 19:57.42 | SerajewelKS | i need to check if i have older xorg packages to reinstall... if not, it may be off to snapshots. for me |
| 19:57.59 | SerajewelKS | (oh and FWIW i am on squeeze, not sid) |
| 19:58.00 | jelly-home | made a lenny + experimental-snapshot-from-2008 mix today |
| 19:58.54 | jelly-home | apparently there are no public backports of video-intel |
| 19:59.07 | Bookman | I ran Pidgin for the first time, added my Google Talk account and now when I start it, it just freezes. |
| 19:59.15 | hramrach | and video-intel in lenny is ancient |
| 19:59.33 | hramrach | it doesn't work on half of the hardware |
| 19:59.59 | gnuword | hi, my apologies to anybody who was here earlier because I asked this question already... I'm running apache2 on lenny, when I run sudo apache2ctl start, I get a bad user name error. Any ideas? |
| 20:00.21 | SerajewelKS | which x drivers would work with an nvidia geforce 7150M? the nv driver doesn't work, and i haven't entirely ruled out the possibility that the binary driver is causing the problems. |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | hramrach: a lennynhalf would be nice |
| 20:00.52 | SerajewelKS | (and by doesn't work, i mean that the nv error causes an "(EE) No screens found" after a (WW) stating that nv doesn't support my gpu) |
| 20:01.07 | hramrach | SerajewelKS: try the experimental kernel libdrm-nouveau1 and xserver-xorg-nouveau |
| 20:01.43 | jelly-home | or merely testing or unstable nouveau for a start |
| 20:01.51 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: which debian release? |
| 20:01.54 | SerajewelKS | ooo, nouveau is getting usable? |
| 20:02.01 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: squeeze (said it up there somewhere ^^^) |
| 20:02.08 | jelly-home | at least on some cards, it seems |
| 20:02.10 | hramrach | as if there was any testing or sid one |
| 20:02.21 | jelly-home | also, nv is abandoned by nvidia |
| 20:02.23 | hramrach | on ion it is the only usable one it seems |
| 20:02.30 | SerajewelKS | right now, starting X draws a blue bar covering about the top tenth of the screen (maybe less) and freezes |
| 20:02.42 | SerajewelKS | the kernel is still ok, because i can issue an ACPI shutdown |
| 20:02.44 | Nebukadneza | mhmmm, i'm a bit confused with rsyslog, i just made spamassassin start with "-s spamassassin" (to use the syslog facility 'spamassassin'), then added a new line to my rsyslog.conf file to exclude spamassasin from messages (added "spamassassin.none;\" to the line corresponding to messages), placed a new file containing "spamsassin.*; /var/log/spamassassin" in /etc/rsyslog.d/ and restarted both |
| 20:02.57 | SerajewelKS | or at least ok enough to shut down gracefully |
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| 20:03.15 | Nebukadneza | however SA stuff still gets logged to messages and rsyslog complains that "unknown facility name "spamassassin"" in the messages line |
| 20:03.21 | Nebukadneza | what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:03.55 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: you've told SA to log to a nonexisting facility? |
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| 20:04.29 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: i'm not sure about where to initially add that facility to make it known to syslog |
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| 20:04.45 | SerajewelKS | i have not ruled out GPU/mobo issues... memtest86+ used to test my full 3gb of ram, but lately it only detects 640k. even though linux and win7 both see all 3gb. but it *used* to test all 3gb, which i find odd. |
| 20:04.51 | SerajewelKS | but one step at a time... |
| 20:05.01 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: facility names are static and unchanging. use "local1" .. "local7" if you want to separate by facility |
| 20:05.12 | Nebukadneza | oh |
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| 20:05.26 | Nebukadneza | so i really only got about 7 facilities to seperate by? ough |
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| 20:05.37 | Nebukadneza | is there any other way to seperate? |
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| 20:05.47 | Nebukadneza | (aka match the name of the program they come from or the like? |
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| 20:06.13 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: that depends on the syslog daemon used |
| 20:06.27 | Nebukadneza | debian default, rsyslog |
| 20:06.33 | hramrach | SerajewelKS: memtest gets the memory size from the BIOS generally but if there was an upgrade it migt be doing something supid |
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| 20:07.07 | hramrach | for one memtest86 3.5 woldn't work for you because it only works on << 2G ram :-S |
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| 20:07.13 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: man 3 syslog will list facilities, and probably other manpages |
| 20:07.47 | vaq | mount /dev/md1 /test; cd /test; mkdir dir = Read only.. Even if I run fsck on the volume before mouting. Why is it mouting read only? |
| 20:08.33 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: localX ones are not used by default, I guess using one of those and configuring rsyslog to put them somewhere is the simplest solution |
| 20:08.52 | phogg | vaq: errors in the fs maybe? try fsck first? |
| 20:08.59 | phogg | vaq: sorry, saw that you did that |
| 20:08.59 | EagleRock | vaq: is /dev/md1 listed in fstab? |
| 20:09.04 | vaq | EagleRock: no |
| 20:09.15 | phogg | vaq: ro may be the default, add -o rw |
| 20:09.20 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: i know the manpage :P i have found the property based filters, still i haven't found which property to match on |
| 20:09.53 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: well it lists more than 7 facilities... |
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| 20:10.03 | Bookman | Any ideas on why pidgin does not work with Google Talk? |
| 20:10.26 | Titan8990 | Bookman: works fine for me |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | Bookman: give more details .. it works for me |
| 20:10.44 | Bookman | abrotman: it just freezes at starting it. |
| 20:10.55 | abrotman | Bookman: lenny? squeeze? sid? |
| 20:11.04 | Bookman | Doesn't even completely show everything in the window it is starting in. Lenny |
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| 20:11.14 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: yeah, but not how to match on program/client name :P |
| 20:11.24 | Nebukadneza | anyways, thanks for your help, i'll stick with local* for the time beeing |
| 20:11.25 | abrotman | Bookman: if you start it from an xterm like "pidgin -f &" does it work ? |
| 20:11.57 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: well you don't need it if you use a facility, now do you |
| 20:12.00 | Bookman | abrotman: invalid option -f |
| 20:12.06 | abrotman | oh duh .. that's new |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | Bookman: do you have another account to try? |
| 20:12.19 | Bookman | abrotman: no |
| 20:12.26 | abrotman | Bookman: did you follow their instructions on how to do it? |
| 20:12.34 | phogg | abrotman: what is -f supposed to do? there's a -d for debug messages.... |
| 20:12.34 | mouseover | Noob question: I have been using Ubuntu mainly and I like its ease-of-configruation. But Ubuntu comes with a lot of unecessary crap, is Debian as easy to use as Ubuntu but more lite? ie, will it easily detect my wireless connection, my USB sticks, my microphone, my graphics card etc. I only care to mainly use it as a developer machine or/and server. |
| 20:12.53 | Bookman | abrotman: not really, I just started it up and added a new account. Usually easy peasy |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | phogg: in squeeze/sid, it supresses the stupid option of waiting for n-m to have a valid connection |
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| 20:13.07 | EagleRock | Bookman: you can also run pidgin on the command line with the -d option to see if you can get any messages that can point to why it's crashing |
| 20:13.17 | hramrach | mouseover: did you try xubuntu? |
| 20:13.26 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: man pages with no EXAMPLES section suck :-| |
| 20:13.36 | mouseover | hramrach: nope, see.. i dont have a problem with Gnome. |
| 20:13.44 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: yeah :P |
| 20:13.48 | Titan8990 | !why debian |
| 20:13.49 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 20:13.50 | Bookman | EagleRock: (12:13:30) gtkblist: removed visibility manager: 0 |
| 20:13.50 | Bookman | (12:13:30) docklet: destroyed |
| 20:13.51 | Bookman | (12:13:30) Gtk: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed |
| 20:13.58 | hramrach | mouseover: you do because it is lots of unnecessary crap |
| 20:14.06 | Nebukadneza | i just hate beeing limited for the future (aka if i have more than 7 programs i want to seperate logfiles for :P) |
| 20:14.21 | mouseover | hramrach: What do you mean? |
| 20:14.29 | jelly-home | !why not debian |
| 20:14.36 | abrotman | use the tell! |
| 20:14.48 | jelly-home | !tell abrotman about why not debian |
| 20:15.14 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: that one didn't last very long... |
| 20:15.17 | hramrach | mouseover: gnome is heavy and most of what they install by default is to support seamless gnome operation |
| 20:15.24 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: you can always install syslog-ng and regexp your way to freedom |
| 20:15.29 | hramrach | they=ubuntu |
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| 20:15.37 | Bookman | Wow, this is my very first program I've tried on my first bootup of Debian. Not a good sign! Xchat being the second. |
| 20:15.38 | mouseover | hramrach: I see, what does Debian use? KDE? |
| 20:15.43 | phogg | mouseover: it depends on your definition of easy |
| 20:15.49 | maligor | yes, they conspire against the memory conservativists |
| 20:15.49 | phogg | mouseover: Debian uses whatever you install |
| 20:15.50 | Titan8990 | mouseover: nothing. it is what you make it |
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| 20:16.00 | hramrach | mouseover: it's your choice but then you have to know what to choose |
| 20:16.03 | maligor | they'll stop at nothing at wasting your memory |
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| 20:16.11 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: ah, syslog-ng is capable of that? |
| 20:16.12 | mouseover | oh... so the Debian installation doesnt hold my hand? |
| 20:16.14 | Nebukadneza | kay, thanks for the info :P |
| 20:16.17 | phogg | mouseover: IIRC you can choose your DE at install time, but I don't know for sure because I always install minimal and aptitude install the rest as needed. |
| 20:16.30 | Lns | According to http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions at the bottom, if you use /etc/apt/preferences to update your backported packages, will this automatically (and ONLY) upgrade packages that you've already installed via backports? Meaning, is that the only thing I have to do to make sure my system is up to date, with all my software in lenny, and the individual packages I installed with lenny-backports upgraded from that reposit |
| 20:16.31 | Lns | ory? |
| 20:16.34 | mouseover | phogg: I see |
| 20:16.36 | maligor | mouseover, everything is relative |
| 20:16.41 | Titan8990 | mouseover: installation is easy. configuration is not always but most of the time it is |
| 20:16.44 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: I _think_ rsyslog is quite capable as well, but I never investigated in depth. |
| 20:16.56 | maligor | mouseover, if you know computer lingo, you'll be able to install the system nicely |
| 20:17.00 | phogg | mouseover: if you're thinking it will be harder--don't. It's not harder to install, it just has different notions of what's important. |
| 20:17.01 | EagleRock | mouseover: the debian installer is quite easy to use, but if you want to specify things at installation time, it can get more difficult |
| 20:17.02 | hramrach | mouseover: you can install a task like KDE desktop but it probably won't work as well as kubuntu |
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| 20:17.13 | mouseover | I see |
| 20:17.22 | maligor | hramrach, huh? why not? |
| 20:17.35 | EagleRock | I'd disagree, hramrach |
| 20:17.45 | mouseover | I am technically savvy, its just that I dont want to bother with the extra configurations. |
| 20:17.47 | mouseover | Thanks guys |
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| 20:17.52 | maligor | the only issue you might have with current debian stable is that the kde it installs is ancient |
| 20:17.54 | Titan8990 | hramrach: I also disagree. kubuntu is well known for having nasty bugs not found in upstream |
| 20:18.09 | maligor | doesn't stable have some early version 4? |
| 20:18.13 | mouseover | BTW question, how can I see a list (or search) all the packages available in the stable release of debian? |
| 20:18.18 | hramrach | so maybe it will, you should try for yourself |
| 20:18.25 | phogg | mouseover: ubuntu tries to make things work automatically. If I install it on my laptop I can immediately connect to wireless networks. With Debian I had to also install a firmware package for my card. This sort of thing is the real difference. |
| 20:18.26 | Titan8990 | maligor: 3.5 |
| 20:18.31 | EagleRock | maligor: stable runs a mix of 3.5.9 and 3.5.10 |
| 20:18.36 | phogg | mouseover: everything is in Debian |
| 20:18.44 | Lns | maligor: did you try lenny backports? |
| 20:18.46 | maligor | oh, ok, so it didn't get into the land of the 4 then |
| 20:18.57 | mouseover | phogg: Thats EXACTLY what I dont want to do! |
| 20:19.01 | phogg | mouseover: you don't want to see the list because it's... what is it now? Over 17k last I knew. |
| 20:19.06 | Bookman | I just re-installed pidgin and it still locks up. Same error. |
| 20:19.08 | maligor | Lns, well, personally I run unstable and testing |
| 20:19.18 | mouseover | phogg: Can you link me to it? |
| 20:19.19 | Titan8990 | !dstats lenny |
| 20:19.33 | phogg | mouseover: but do not be fooled: "In Debian" means available to install via apt. You only actually have what you want. |
| 20:19.40 | phogg | mouseover: packages.debian.org, search for yourself. |
| 20:19.46 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22961 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59139 MB installed size, 20843 MB compressed size. |
| 20:19.48 | mouseover | phogg: thanks |
| 20:19.54 | phogg | Titan8990: thanks |
| 20:20.20 | Bookman | Thanks guys, back to ubuntu for me. :( |
| 20:20.35 | phogg | Bookman: why would reinstalling help? |
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| 20:20.57 | hramrach | .. unless you installed a different version |
| 20:21.22 | phogg | even then I'd be surprised unless one is vastly newer or the other was from sid |
| 20:21.29 | jelly-home | Bookman: use whatever works for you! |
| 20:21.37 | jelly-home | judd: versions pidgin |
| 20:21.38 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 20:21.47 | abrotman | that should be a pretty obvious error .. did he install gnome/pidgin correctly ? |
| 20:21.59 | Bookman | pidgin is what came with lenny |
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| 20:22.48 | jelly-home | Bookman: perhaps you could consider installing the version from lenny-backports and see if it works better for you |
| 20:23.05 | Titan8990 | pidgin came with lenny? is that part of the desktop-task? |
| 20:23.15 | hramrach | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 20:23.18 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- experimental: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-2 |
| 20:23.26 | jelly-home | heh |
| 20:23.27 | phogg | Bookman: you might try creating another user temporarily, logging in, then trying pidgin. This would eliminate any weird user configuration issue |
| 20:23.43 | phogg | Titan8990: probably gets pulled with gnome, I would guess. |
| 20:23.58 | Titan8990 | phogg: i just checked, its not part of the desktop task |
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| 20:24.42 | hramrach | isn't is through some virtual package? You would expect the desktop or gnoe task to include an IM |
| 20:24.55 | phogg | I would, looking now. |
| 20:25.32 | mouseover | whoa.. I am looking at Debian's package index, and it only has the version 1.35 of the C++ Boost library, but the Ubuntu repos have upto 1.41 - strange... |
| 20:25.52 | phogg | gnome recommends empathy | pidgin |
| 20:25.56 | EagleRock | mouseover: debian values stability over bleeding-edge |
| 20:25.57 | Titan8990 | phogg: its not part of gnome-desktop-environment task either |
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| 20:26.16 | fastputty | hello igot this error when trying sending email with exim, someone help me: Error while reading message with no usable sender address (R=1O0KlR-0004C6-MC): at least one malformed recipient address: root@ETC_MAILNAME - malformed address: _MAILNAME may not follow root@ETC |
| 20:26.24 | fastputty | i also tried to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:26.26 | fastputty | it not working |
| 20:27.02 | phogg | mouseover: look at the release dates, for one thing. When was the last Debian stable released? Find the Ubuntu release from the same timeframe and then compare versions. |
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| 20:27.38 | phogg | mouseover: after that, see what Titan said. Ubuntu likes newnewnew! and shiny, often causing things to break. |
| 20:27.50 | hramrach | there is boost 1.40 in squeeze |
| 20:28.17 | hramrach | so if you really need it you can get it from there |
| 20:29.44 | Titan8990 | phogg: ah, recommends... |
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| 20:30.49 | phogg | Titan8990: yeah, but epiphany is first in the list. If you have recommends set to be treated as depends does that mean both get installed? |
| 20:31.33 | mouseover | I see... |
| 20:31.36 | mouseover | interesting. |
| 20:31.49 | rodman | hi, I'm having trouble configuring two ethernet connections in 5.04 |
| 20:32.01 | rodman | when I raise eth0, eth1 drops and vice versa. |
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| 20:32.20 | rodman | is there any handy tutorial on this issue for me to check up? |
| 20:32.31 | mouseover | But I dont see why the Debian repos shouldnt contain newer vrsions of Boost, in fact, the new versions fix many bugs so in essence they enhance stability |
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| 20:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugs get patched... new versions introduce new bugs |
| 20:33.00 | Bookman | Well, I'll wait for the next release to try this out again. Somebody may want to submit a bug report. |
| 20:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, sometimes bugfix-patches also introduce new bugs... but they're as close to stable as it gets |
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| 20:35.25 | phogg | mouseover: you must understand how Debian releases work |
| 20:35.56 | mouseover | phogg: Where can I read about it? |
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| 20:36.40 | rodman | heya |
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| 20:37.08 | phogg | mouseover: I'm not sure. |
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| 20:38.03 | phogg | mouseover: when I look I see boost 1.42, but only in squeeze and sid. So, it's there. |
| 20:40.03 | rodman | c'mon people |
| 20:40.16 | rodman | help an ex-ubuntu user! |
| 20:40.24 | rodman | ;) |
| 20:40.55 | mouseover | phogg: I assume its not recommend to use squeeze or sid right? since they arent consideredd stable |
| 20:41.42 | phogg | mouseover: it's never recommended to use sid unless you're a debian developer (and it's not really a version anyway) |
| 20:42.02 | dondelelcaro | sid is a suite, so it is a real "version", whatever that means |
| 20:42.18 | qwd | mouseover: that depends on what you want/expect |
| 20:42.18 | dondelelcaro | but you probably shouldn't be running it unless you know exactly why you shouldn't be running it |
| 20:42.22 | phogg | mouseover: using testing (squeeze) is not recommended by me, but it can be done. Stability here refers more to the probability of running into packages that wont install than the crashiness of the software. |
| 20:42.36 | Nebukadneza | mhmmm, why has the dcc-client package vanished to be only available on m68k? |
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| 20:43.02 | phogg | mouseover: my point, though, is that Debian does have a newer version of boost, but it didn't when the last stable was released. You can backport it or find someone who has. |
| 20:43.24 | qwd | mouseover: I'm running sid but I'm prepared for my system to crash and burn any time. If you want a stable system use stable :) |
| 20:43.59 | mouseover | gotcha |
| 20:44.01 | mouseover | thanks guys |
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| 20:45.22 | JyZyXEL | how do i get some older version of a package? |
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| 20:47.04 | JyZyXEL | looks like debian repos only carry the most reacent version? |
| 20:47.13 | datacrusher | hello everyone. im using debian lenny, and when i call synaptic or the update manager they just dont open |
| 20:47.16 | datacrusher | how do i fix this? |
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| 20:47.43 | phogg | JyZyXEL: try archive.debian.org |
| 20:47.53 | Titan8990 | !tell JyZyXEL about snapshots |
| 20:47.53 | phogg | JyZyXEL: for released versions, anyway |
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| 20:48.24 | phogg | datacrusher: run synaptic from a terminal. Do you see any errors printed? |
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| 20:49.06 | JyZyXEL | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/grub-pc/ |
| 20:49.09 | JyZyXEL | 404 not found |
| 20:49.12 | JyZyXEL | no such pacakge |
| 20:49.30 | jimbob | ok so I'm trying to install lenny over a local network ... what's funny is, the netboot installer only allows for installation over the internet (I'm on a modem connection right now), and the installer from the dvd (when booted over the net via PXE) wants to load the nic drivers from the DVD :S |
| 20:49.42 | datacrusher | odd. iv tryed synaptic from terminal didnt worked, sudo synaptic it opened ... |
| 20:50.00 | datacrusher | i think its only on the shortcut, besides it asks for a password |
| 20:50.19 | datacrusher | phogg, whats the command for the update manager? |
| 20:50.27 | phogg | datacrusher: no idea |
| 20:50.43 | JyZyXEL | hmm are the installed packages available in some directory? |
| 20:51.09 | jimbob | does anyone know if it's even possible to install debian over a local network? |
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| 20:51.17 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: the website has a search feature... |
| 20:51.20 | steelbox | hi there! |
| 20:51.26 | JyZyXEL | Titan8990: it didn't have grub-pc |
| 20:51.31 | JyZyXEL | now i need to find it from my backups |
| 20:51.42 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: the search feature isn't that good hehe |
| 20:51.47 | datacrusher | phogg, .. its update-manager :) |
| 20:51.53 | datacrusher | only from terminal, sudo either |
| 20:52.02 | JyZyXEL | Titan8990: it still doesn't have it |
| 20:52.22 | steelbox | I have a problem when mounting a compact flash card via a usb cards reader; all filenames/folders are in lowercase. How to correct that? |
| 20:52.23 | JyZyXEL | so are the installed packages available in some directory? |
| 20:52.34 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/grub2/ |
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| 20:53.00 | JyZyXEL | interesting |
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| 20:53.40 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:53.41 | nocturnus | mount -t tmpfs -o size=500M none /tmp && mount -t aufs -o dirs=/tmp:/var none /var" works in allowed files put in /var to be stored in ram, but I lose keyboard/mouse capabilities when starting X, (iusing evdev/HAL) |
| 20:53.47 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
| 20:53.59 | jimbob | SHITTING DICKNIPPLES |
| 20:54.45 | nocturnus | ? |
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| 20:55.22 | steelbox | I have a problem when mounting a compact flash card via a usb cards reader; all filenames/folders are in lowercase. How to correct that? |
| 20:56.03 | phogg | steelbox: IIRC there's a mount option for forcing lower/upper case for FAT |
| 20:56.24 | steelbox | phogg: even for compact flash cards? |
| 20:56.48 | phogg | steelbox: what does the card type matter? It's the filesystem. Is it FAT? |
| 20:57.04 | steelbox | I don't know |
| 20:57.14 | steelbox | how can I check that? |
| 20:57.18 | jimbob | EAT SHIT AND DIE MOTHERFUCKER! I DONT GIVE A SHIT! I CANT EVEN INSTALL THIS CUMSUCKING PIECE OF SHIT THATS CALLED DEBIAN BECAUSE THE DICK LOVING CUMSWAPPERS WHO CREATED THIS SHITTY INSTALLER DIDNT EVEN ALLOW FOR A FUCKING INSTALL OVER A MOTHERFUCKING LOCAL NETWORK! FUCK YOU, YOU COCKSMOKING TEABAGGERS! EAT MY STOOL! |
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| 20:57.49 | phogg | another satisified customer? |
| 20:57.50 | datacrusher | phogg, it locked. i got this on the terminal - http://pastebin.com/9vYZw5He |
| 20:58.01 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: by default, the filenames are lowercased because vfat et al. is case-insensitive |
| 20:58.16 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: unless you're doing something special, the actual case displayed doesn't matter |
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| 20:58.23 | Titan8990 | phogg: yep, and one who apparently doesn't know about apt-mirror, preseeding, or "expert mode" of the installer |
| 20:58.24 | Elshar_ | Wow, looks like someone hasn't read any of the docs |
| 20:58.35 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: is there a way to correct that? |
| 20:58.37 | GNUtoo | hi, you seem to have gpe in your feeds,how much ram debian+gpe requires? |
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| 20:58.51 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: there's nothing wrong with it; what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:59.30 | phogg | datacrusher: What version of Debian are you running? This should not have happened on stable. |
| 20:59.32 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: in fact, I was surprised because it differs from ubuntu |
| 20:59.49 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: it just depends on the filesystem and the mount options given |
| 20:59.52 | GNUtoo | also is it the best WM for 64M of ram? |
| 21:00.00 | GNUtoo | it must be as user-friendly as possible |
| 21:00.28 | phogg | steelbox: fat is case-ignoring anyway so the only difference is esthetics |
| 21:00.30 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: the mounting is auto, I don't know about the options |
| 21:00.31 | dondelelcaro | GNUtoo: you can probably run xfce in that |
| 21:00.31 | GNUtoo | because there is a user wanting to start GNU/Linux with an old computer,I advised him against him,but he still wants that |
| 21:00.35 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:00.39 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: anyway, why do you care what the case is? |
| 21:00.40 | olorin_ | GNUtoo: xfce is quite nice. |
| 21:00.59 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: okay, so if it's just esthetic ... |
| 21:01.03 | phogg | steelbox: as for how to check: while mounted, run "mount" without any parameters. |
| 21:01.04 | streuner | GNUtoo: 64 MB, nah |
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| 21:01.10 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: pretty much, yes |
| 21:01.10 | GNUtoo | dondelelcaro, xfce under 64M of ram? I tried under my eeepc 701 with another lighter distro and it didn't seem to work well |
| 21:01.13 | Nebukadneza | rehi |
| 21:01.22 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: because I had written a bash script for downloading pics from this card |
| 21:01.29 | streuner | 64MB RAM isnt enough for modern kernels |
| 21:01.38 | Titan8990 | GNUtoo: 64mb ram... DSL, puppy linux, or possibly something meant for an embedded device |
| 21:01.40 | GNUtoo | dondelelcaro, with mem=64M |
| 21:01.51 | GNUtoo | Titan8990, that's why I thought debian+gpe |
| 21:01.56 | dondelelcaro | GNUtoo: you can certainly run things with G4M of ram; it'll just be slow |
| 21:02.08 | GNUtoo | I know well embedded things but the user doesn't |
| 21:02.13 | Nebukadneza | i'm just upgrading my exim from < 4.67-2 to 4.68-1, so reading the NEWS file i see that DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF in the exim4.conf.template doesn't work anymore |
| 21:02.16 | dondelelcaro | steelbox: it shouldn't matter to the script what the case is |
| 21:02.27 | datacrusher | phogg, besides uname -a, how do i check via terminal wich distro i have |
| 21:02.45 | Nebukadneza | my question is - with my custom config(-template), what exactly do i need to change to make it work again? (this topic isn't covered by the NEWSfile :/) |
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| 21:02.50 | GNUtoo | so I bet GPE would be ok under debian,maybe he should try it then |
| 21:02.53 | dondelelcaro | DogBoy: lsb_release -a; will tell you in general |
| 21:03.04 | DogBoy | heh |
| 21:03.06 | thrashold | GNUtoo: Enlightenment is in unstable. I've tried with 128 MB RAM only, though. Also adding swap always helps :) |
| 21:03.13 | phogg | datacrusher: /etc/debian_version |
| 21:03.22 | thrashold | GNUtoo: FluxBox is considered nice by some people, too. |
| 21:03.22 | GNUtoo | thrashold, ok I should also try that |
| 21:03.29 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: you're right but I don't know how to find jpg|JPG files |
| 21:03.35 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:03.47 | datacrusher | phogg, http://pastebin.com/y5wSeWBB |
| 21:04.31 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 21:04.59 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: I can lowercase the filename extension to jpg but it's not a good choice |
| 21:05.14 | phogg | datacrusher: this is not much help, actually, because it doesn't include whether or not you've done somethink funkly like installed packages from squeeze |
| 21:05.46 | datacrusher | phogg, this machine is a file server from more than a year. iv installed it as etch, and did a distro upgrade |
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| 21:06.41 | datacrusher | is there a place i can check when this sistem was installed? |
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| 21:07.45 | phogg | datacrusher: you have some kind of inconsistency which can probably be fixed, but what or exactly how I could not say. Does apt-get or aptitude work? If so you're not in trouble yet. |
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| 21:08.40 | datacrusher | well, just did apt-get update, upgrade, ill wait for its conclusion, seems to be working |
| 21:08.50 | Nebukadneza | noone's got a idea? :/ |
| 21:09.25 | datacrusher | 152 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem removidos e 52 não atualizados. |
| 21:09.25 | datacrusher | É preciso baixar 286MB de arquivos. |
| 21:09.49 | steelbox | dondelelcaro: well, thanks for ur information about FAT |
| 21:10.11 | phogg | datacrusher: you're trying this in the middle of an apt-get upgrade? I am not surprised that you have issues! |
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| 21:10.22 | Lorenzoo | hi |
| 21:10.27 | datacrusher | not in themiddle, iv just called the command as you said |
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| 21:11.09 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: did the pcl tool work? |
| 21:11.17 | Lorenzoo | i got a problem with debian 5 i just installed it in my other pc but while its booting the monitor turns black |
| 21:11.24 | datacrusher | i just needed a color picker ,and was looking to find it via synaptic. since it and the update-manager didnt opened even after asking for a password i worried. seems to be working the apt-getupdate, ill wait for it to finish, hope that synaptic got fixed after this |
| 21:11.47 | datacrusher | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | datacrusher: xcolorsel? |
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| 21:12.11 | ham5 | aptitude got little more gui to it |
| 21:12.12 | datacrusher | jelly-home, after i update ill search for it, thanks! |
| 21:12.28 | jelly-home | datacrusher: it could be already installed. |
| 21:12.50 | datacrusher | brb |
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| 21:19.39 | acxty | Hi guys, I want to configure 2 networks on the same nic. eth0 is 192.168.1.1 and I want to add eth0:1 to 192.168.1.2. When I put both on same network the networking goes down. Is there a way to have 2 ips from the same network on 1 nic? |
| 21:21.16 | lindi- | acxty: sure |
| 21:21.44 | fastputty | hello is there a way to clean up allTesting package and rollback into Stable version? |
| 21:21.49 | fastputty | My debian seem to be really mess up |
| 21:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | So what video editors in debian are reasonably usable these days? |
| 21:21.52 | lindi- | acxty: i recommend that you forget ifconfig and use ip |
| 21:21.57 | fastputty | because i have install 1 testing package with all the depedency |
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| 21:22.23 | acxty | I am configure directly on /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:22.49 | Bop | jham, cinelarra maybe |
| 21:22.55 | Bop | jhutchins_lt, ^ |
| 21:23.06 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: I've used avidemux in the past... |
| 21:23.18 | lindi- | acxty: that does not support it very well |
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| 21:23.22 | Bop | i used kino and its crap |
| 21:23.36 | lindi- | acxty: but you have "post-up ip addr add XXX dev YYY" |
| 21:23.59 | fastputty | hello is there a way to clean up allTesting package and rollback into Stable version? I have install 1 package testing with all the dependancy. |
| 21:24.08 | jelly-home | fastputty: How many got upgreded? The simplest thing to do is to reinstall. |
| 21:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | fastputty: fdisk |
| 21:25.11 | pickcoder | fastputty: rolling back is extremely time consuming at best.. what package did you install |
| 21:25.14 | User_007 | how can i put gnome to load on boot instead after login? |
| 21:25.24 | pickcoder | (and it normally ends up making things worse) |
| 21:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | fastputty: rollbacks are not handled automatically. If you can determine every package that was upgraded, you can delete each one, then reinstall them from the stable sources. |
| 21:25.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell fastputty about partial downgrade |
| 21:25.47 | JyZyXEL | what command did gnome-terminal use when you try open URL's? |
| 21:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: You can't, but you can log in automatically. |
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| 21:27.09 | fastputty | pickcoder: well when i try to install new package it currently said: some independnancy.. |
| 21:27.16 | fastputty | pickcoder: i have no contrl anymore and cannot install anything now |
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| 21:27.47 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, i don't want that. I have seen the latest ubuntu beta and this start after login. It takes less than a second |
| 21:27.55 | pickcoder | did you try to install one package or did you do an "upgrade" with a different release tag |
| 21:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | fastputty: fdisk. |
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| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: No, it automatically logs in as "user", then launches Gnome. |
| 21:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: That system is not available in Debian Stable yet because it is far from stable. |
| 21:29.09 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, no, after installed it still fast after gdm. |
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| 21:29.23 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: That system is not available in Debian Stable yet because it is far from stable. |
| 21:29.39 | User_007 | I use Squeeze |
| 21:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: I don't believe it even meets the criteria for Squeeze, it's highly experimental. |
| 21:30.10 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: It breaks things. Often. |
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| 21:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: It is very interesting, and certainly a good project, but like many things that are very fast it is not safe and reliable. |
| 21:31.00 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, what i need to do? |
| 21:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: Learn how Ubuntu is doing it and implement what they have done. |
| 21:31.37 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, can't you tell me what is it? |
| 21:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: If you understand how they've done it, you'll stand a much better chance of getting it to work and fixing it when it breaks. |
| 21:32.01 | fastputty | pickcoder: i am trying to insrall libc6 and it not working.. |
| 21:32.06 | fastputty | pickcoder: could you help me ou |
| 21:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: It's not the kind of thing someone can tell you over IRC. |
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| 21:32.40 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, so give me a link |
| 21:33.01 | User_007 | from where i can find some information |
| 21:33.16 | pickcoder | fastputty: you need to do a dist-upgrade and move to testing.. or use fdisk as jhutchins_lt said and reinstall |
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| 21:34.43 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: #ubuntu, http://www.ubuntu.com - I would suggest the forums and mailing list archives where there will be discussions of how it's being implemented. IRC is not likely to be much help. |
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| 21:35.04 | User_007 | ok |
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| 21:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | Good luck. |
| 21:35.36 | fastputty | pickcoder: icannot even do the dist-upgrade |
| 21:35.44 | fastputty | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.02 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, there is any keyword from the process that happen? |
| 21:36.13 | jelly-home | fastputty: did you see the dpkg's private message about "partial downgrade"? |
| 21:36.22 | jelly-home | the? |
| 21:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: I think they have a name for it, like fastboot or speedboot, but I'm not sure. |
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| 21:36.52 | fastputty | jelly-home: yes i saw it but i am not sure to understand the step in aptitude.. i dont ue aptitude much |
| 21:37.03 | fastputty | jelly-home: i nromally use apt-get .. how can i select the package in apttiude |
| 21:37.19 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, but after gdm stuff still boot? |
| 21:38.14 | jelly-home | fastputty: the user interface is a bit clumsy, but there's online help |
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| 21:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: You really need to ask people who work with Ubuntu. As far as I know it's not a Debian project at all. |
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| 21:39.10 | jelly-home | fastputty: select with space or + I think. |
| 21:39.11 | User_007 | ok so you don't know what happens at all... ok. |
| 21:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: I know a little bit about it and I've worked with what they were doing in Mandriva, but I don't use either one now. |
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| 21:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: I _do_ know that it's not in mainstream Debian so far. |
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| 21:41.07 | fastputty | i cannot even downgrade it.. |
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| 21:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | User_007:http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Booting_Debian_in_14_seconds |
| 21:41.44 | jelly-home | fastputty: why, that's exactly what you should attempt to do |
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| 21:42.35 | jelly-home | fastputty: downgrading eg. libc6 will break other packages in turn. Then you either remove (-) or purge (_) or downgrade those, and repeat until aptitude is happy |
| 21:42.36 | fastputty | jelly-home: trying to install something libc6 |
| 21:42.36 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, i have already done _all_ things on this page and i still have a slow booting |
| 21:42.37 | fastputty | jelly-home: its broken.. |
| 21:43.10 | jelly-home | fastputty: are you in the aptitude interactive user interface? Run just "aptitude". |
| 21:43.37 | fastputty | jelly-home: yes i am in it,, i also see the broken package |
| 21:43.46 | fastputty | jelly-home>: just not sure how to downgrade it.. |
| 21:44.43 | User_007 | thank you all for help/ |
| 21:44.46 | jelly-home | fastputty: care to pastepic a screnshot? |
| 21:44.47 | fastputty | i tried aptitude install libc=2.7-18lenny2. but it has problem during the installation |
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| 21:44.57 | fastputty | i will paste yo uthe error messag |
| 21:45.09 | jelly-home | fastputty: no, the screenshot from the ui. |
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| 21:45.48 | jelly-home | fastputty: also, have you checked dpkg and apt logs to see exactly which packages got upgraded? |
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| 21:48.42 | fastputty | here jelly-home: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3810/57631603.png |
| 21:49.48 | jelly-home | fastputty: right, so tab over to the three glibc-doc options somehow and + the lenny2 one |
| 21:50.40 | jelly-home | then press g and aptitude will either complain some more, or will try to do some installing/deinstalling |
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| 21:51.22 | fastputty | apres pressing G it complain |
| 21:51.25 | fastputty | after* |
| 21:51.37 | fastputty | no wait.. |
| 21:51.49 | fastputty | it doesnt complain but tried to unistall uused package.s.. |
| 21:51.51 | fastputty | how can i continue? |
| 21:52.05 | jelly-home | moar screenshots! |
| 21:52.24 | fastputty | i got this rpoblem: http://pastebin.com/vVmT9tYi |
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| 21:53.00 | jelly-home | fastputty: add /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin to path |
| 21:53.21 | Acony | is squeeze testing version and sid is unstable ? |
| 21:53.27 | jelly-home | fastputty: quit aptitude, PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH, start it again |
| 21:53.28 | Acony | correct or wrong ? |
| 21:53.37 | jelly-home | Acony: correct at present time |
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| 21:54.02 | fastputty | same error jelly-home |
| 21:54.08 | jelly-home | Acony: well, sid will always be unstable. |
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| 21:54.24 | jelly-home | fastputty: unlikely |
| 21:54.38 | Acony | jelly-home, why, sometime he will get stable release ? |
| 21:55.18 | jelly-home | Acony: squeeze will become stable, and something else will become new testing |
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| 21:55.53 | jelly-home | fastputty: does /sbin/ldconfig exist? |
| 21:55.53 | Acony | jelly-home, yeap sid will become testing then, and something else will become unstable ? |
| 21:56.11 | jelly-home | Acony: nope, sid will always be unstable. |
| 21:56.11 | pickcoder | Acony: sid is always unstable |
| 21:56.15 | pickcoder | new names are given to testing |
| 21:56.19 | jelly-home | Acony: sid doesn't rotate. |
| 21:56.22 | fastputty | jelly-home: nop... |
| 21:56.39 | fastputty | jelly-home: it doesnt exis.. /sbin/ldconfig |
| 21:56.50 | Acony | hm, lil bit confusing but I get u |
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| 21:58.00 | jelly-home | fastputty: oh well. Just download libc6 package from lenny manually and install with dpkg -i. |
| 21:58.06 | fastputty | ok |
| 21:58.08 | fastputty | let me try |
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| 21:58.25 | fastputty | seem like i canot run libgssapi_krb5.so.2 |
| 21:58.31 | fastputty | a ot of error from libgssapi_krb5.so.2.. im nto sure what is it |
| 21:58.53 | jelly-home | Acony: yeah, it's a bit counterintuitive to assign a codename to unstable and keep it forever |
| 21:59.45 | jelly-home | fastputty: instead of doing descriptive errors, please pastebin full output of the commands you run |
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| 22:01.08 | fastputty | jelly-home: i cannot even intall the lenny package i download |
| 22:01.44 | fastputty | http://pastebin.com/gU4EWQHF |
| 22:01.56 | jelly-home | ... how does it fail to install? |
| 22:02.11 | fastputty | look urelf |
| 22:02.25 | jelly-home | fastputty: why are you trying to install libc6-686 package instead of libc6? |
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| 22:02.41 | ham5 | who cares just fix your path like it says |
| 22:02.43 | ham5 | ffs |
| 22:02.52 | jelly-home | ham5: it's not a path issue |
| 22:03.01 | fastputty | oh sorry |
| 22:03.05 | fastputty | wrong. let me tr again |
| 22:03.06 | jelly-home | ham5: <fastputty> jelly-home: it doesnt exis.. /sbin/ldconfig |
| 22:03.17 | ham5 | u ran it as root fastputty? |
| 22:03.39 | fastputty | well its the same error by the way |
| 22:03.41 | ham5 | typed out the whole path |
| 22:05.36 | fastputty | type out the whole path? |
| 22:05.37 | fastputty | S |
| 22:05.59 | jelly-home | fastputty: that's unusual, but somewhat expected. Oh well, you'll have to dpkg --extract that libc6 package in / before properly installing. This may break your system even worse, so I wouldn't do it if it's a remote machine and you have no way to boot a rescue system. |
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| 22:06.30 | dan2 | is there anyway to increase the number of file locks allowed by the system over NFS? |
| 22:07.08 | fastputty | jelly-hom: so beter flush the serverand install it back |
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| 22:07.36 | jelly-home | fastputty: I believe that was the initial suggestion, yes |
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| 22:10.07 | oal | I need to be able to send mail from my debian server (vps), what tools would you recommend? It's only going to be used for sending error reports etc, so no recieving |
| 22:11.57 | jelly-home | oal: does you ISP provide a smarthost to forward mails to? If they do, install a small nullmailer MTA and use standard /usr/sbin/sendmail interface to send stuff |
| 22:12.03 | ham5 | isent the command... 'sendmail' ? |
| 22:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, it runs... but seems whatever I have in those files is not pcl... but thanks :) |
| 22:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, (as it does produce something but the something is just garbage) |
| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | oal: ssmtp or nullmailer are nice. Well, I only used ssmtp, other people said nullmailer was nice. |
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| 22:13.22 | oal | Ok, thanks |
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| 22:13.41 | oal | Anyone familiar with django? It's going to send django error reports |
| 22:13.49 | oal | So that's basically what I need it for |
| 22:14.14 | pdod | people, it's possible allow a IP range to connect t port 25 with denyhost? |
| 22:14.18 | oal | When someone gets an "unhandled exception"-message, there's an email sent to my adress |
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| 22:15.59 | jelly-home | a decent app will use /usr/sbin/sendmail by default. |
| 22:16.39 | oal | jelly-home: Do I have to install sendmail or is it already in debian? |
| 22:17.37 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't xrandr have an --identify option |
| 22:18.07 | jelly-home | oal: that executable is provided by any MTA package. You probably already have exim4 installed (it's the default), but it's overkill so I suggest replacing it with ssmtp. |
| 22:18.28 | jelly-home | !mta |
| 22:18.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 22:19.46 | pdod | !which mta |
| 22:19.46 | dpkg | To see which <MTA> you have installed: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail . See also <mta comparison>. |
| 22:19.57 | pdod | !mta comparison |
| 22:19.57 | dpkg | methinks mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 22:20.10 | sanmarcos | when I install a new package, it gives me the option to see a diff between the packages configuration, and my configuration, this is useless, is there a way to see the difference between the packages' configs? |
| 22:20.20 | sanmarcos | i.e previous version shipped config vs updated shipped config |
| 22:20.28 | sanmarcos | its much easier to diff 1 line rather than 200 |
| 22:20.39 | ham5 | synaptic will usually give u that options |
| 22:20.41 | ham5 | option |
| 22:20.47 | sanmarcos | this is a server.. |
| 22:20.53 | ham5 | k :\ |
| 22:21.27 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: this feature might be available in future versions of dpkg |
| 22:21.41 | sanmarcos | well, screw it, I am not intsalling the new version of the config file |
| 22:22.00 | sanmarcos | this just makes me not want to do apt-get upgrades... |
| 22:22.01 | ham5 | should write it anyway with .dpkg extition right? |
| 22:22.06 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: some packages use "ucf" which already does this and is often able to do a three-way merge, but not all. |
| 22:22.10 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: erm.. is it a HP plotting lang? |
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| 22:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... possibly - as I said, there's a (virtual) postscript printer installed there as well and I'll just re-print the 10 or so images (but sometimes you find pcl on the internet, so it's nice to be able to convert in any case, so thank you) |
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| 22:24.45 | pickcoder | if it's going through cups then there is a magick filter that's recognizing the lan |
| 22:24.50 | pickcoder | ~lang |
| 22:25.38 | jelly-home | a magick filter for images? :-) |
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| 22:26.32 | sanmarcos | I installed a package from backports in stable accidentaly |
| 22:26.44 | sanmarcos | with apt-get upgrade, I quit during configuration, and now I don't want that package |
| 22:26.50 | sanmarcos | how can I rever back to the stable version? |
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| 22:28.04 | pickcoder | jelly: all files |
| 22:28.37 | pickcoder | I had a problem a while back with it picking up a PCL command and thinking it's some Amiga file |
| 22:28.40 | jelly-home | pickcoder: wonder how it prints mp3s |
| 22:28.51 | pickcoder | jelly-home: try it |
| 22:29.07 | pickcoder | it may print a music sheet... |
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| 22:30.11 | xxtjaxx | Hi folks I want to change the default font on my tty since its quite big. what do I have to edit for that |
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| 22:31.19 | jelly-home | pickcoder: I'll try John Cage - 4:33 then |
| 22:31.29 | qwd | xxtjaxx: it's got something to do with grub and "kernel start line vga", google it and see what you find |
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| 22:32.40 | xxtjaxx | yeah uhm thats a bit unlikely with the new grub 2 isn't it? |
| 22:32.40 | pickcoder | jelly-home: I'll follow up on that later |
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| 22:36.44 | pobega | Using aptitude, how do I check which packages rely on package x? I forgot the flag, and can't seem to find the proper documentation |
| 22:39.59 | sanmarcos | use the ? key pobega |
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| 22:42.35 | Titan8990 | pobega: aptitude why <package> |
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| 22:47.27 | pobega | Titan8990: thanks! |
| 22:47.58 | pobega | One more; how about checking which repository the package belongs to? |
| 22:48.05 | pobega | Something seems to be breaking, and I'd like to see which repo is causing it |
| 22:48.28 | Tramp | pobega: apt-cache policy. And for the other question: apt-cache rdepends |
| 22:49.42 | pobega | Tramp: thanks! Been too long since I've meddled with things like this; usually everything just works fine. Debian is too stable to keep me in good practice, haha. |
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| 22:50.43 | Tramp | yw |
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| 23:12.49 | cantoma | guys, how can i have a bash shell that doesn't show the full path such as ~/latex/report. I only want to see the last directory name. If i change directory then i want to see the full path in a separate line. |
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| 23:14.42 | gnuword | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.51 | kjfletch | cantoma: PS1="\W" and then alias "cd" to "cd blah; pwd" or something of the sort? |
| 23:17.01 | Smirnov | what file can I edit to run a command after X starts (trying to setup synergy) |
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| 23:21.26 | Titan8990 | Smirnov: .xinitrc |
| 23:23.51 | Smirnov | Titan8990: ~/.xinitrc ? im trying to avoid that, iw ant to run synergy so i can use it on the login screen |
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| 23:25.18 | gnuword | Smirnov, are you running kde, gnome or xfce? |
| 23:25.25 | Smirnov | openbox |
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| 23:27.01 | gnuword | sorry don't know anything about that :-(, I would have suggested something like gdm.conf for gnome if that's what you were using |
| 23:27.31 | Smirnov | yeh i guess running it after X starts isnt enough |
| 23:28.44 | gnuword | A quick google says there are just two config files for openbox: menu.xml and rc.xml, not sure if that's any help |
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| 23:40.41 | llua | could someone look at this paste http://paste.debian.net/68225 don't i have a newer version of the package? |
| 23:40.55 | adb | Smirnov, quicksynergy maybe ? |
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| 23:53.00 | jhutchins | llua: Try using aptitude (unless you're on sid, in which case this is normal). |
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