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| 00:06.53 | hardbop200 | hi all - this is a little OT, but I have someone that's wanting me to learn/do flash-based websites (flash sucks, whatever...it's money :) anyway, are there any tools available in debian for doing/learning/etc. flash web development? |
| 00:07.05 | llua | jhutchins, aptitude and install local .debs? |
| 00:07.32 | llua | jhutchins, aptitude can** install local .debs? |
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| 00:10.19 | PyroPhelia | How common is it that a raid0 read speed is slower than it's write speed |
| 00:10.36 | PyroPhelia | write speed is 141MBps read is 135MBps |
| 00:10.48 | PyroPhelia | +/- 1MBps |
| 00:11.28 | AlexTO | Hi everyone |
| 00:11.39 | AlexTO | maybe some can help me |
| 00:12.17 | AlexTO | i shutdown my machine for electrical manteinance and when i reboot it back it start with error |
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| 00:12.39 | PyroPhelia | define eletrical manteinance, and what is the error? |
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| 00:13.00 | AlexTO | the power was cutted for a while |
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| 00:13.19 | bkjoe | fucking |
| 00:13.20 | AlexTO | and the error said cannot execute /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 00:13.27 | bkjoe | hate it when link goes down |
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| 00:13.36 | bkjoe | and verizon is the isp |
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| 00:13.59 | PyroPhelia | bkjoe, can't say i've ever had a problem with verizon, even when I was on dsl. |
| 00:14.02 | bkjoe | i just LOVE getting hung up on a dozen times |
| 00:14.12 | bkjoe | fios |
| 00:14.15 | bkjoe | didn't pay my bill :/ |
| 00:14.20 | PyroPhelia | oh |
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| 00:14.28 | PyroPhelia | pay your bills on time :P |
| 00:14.36 | bkjoe | 3 hours to get stuff back up |
| 00:14.37 | bkjoe | heh |
| 00:14.39 | AlexTO | hehehe |
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| 00:14.47 | AlexTO | Any idea why my error?? |
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| 00:15.08 | bkjoe | never actually got a bill from them yet..knew it was due tho..oh well. |
| 00:15.19 | PyroPhelia | AlexT, just so I'm clear when you say "electrical manteinance" you mean; you did nothing inside the box. it just lost power for a little while correct? |
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| 00:15.55 | AlexTO | basically i turned off my server fine and when the power came back i turned on |
| 00:15.55 | bkjoe | left hand doesn't know what the 3^14th arm is doing |
| 00:16.02 | AlexTO | and i get that error |
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| 00:16.40 | AlexTO | in other words,i did a shutdown and power on |
| 00:17.07 | PyroPhelia | AlexT0, it sounds like the system is starting up in readonly mode |
| 00:17.27 | AlexTO | looks like that, and how can i fixed |
| 00:17.28 | PyroPhelia | AlexT0, if you have a livecd handy anywhere I would boot on that and run a fsck on your drive to see if everything is ok |
| 00:17.37 | PyroPhelia | fsck.<fs> should fix that |
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| 00:17.53 | AlexTO | I have the install CD and it has a rescue mode |
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| 00:18.08 | PyroPhelia | run the rescue mode and run fsck |
| 00:18.09 | AlexTO | is that one the same live cd? |
| 00:18.11 | PyroPhelia | yes |
| 00:18.17 | AlexTO | got it, hold on |
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| 00:18.48 | PyroPhelia | sorry, live cd is what <can't say that name here> calls their install cd. |
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| 00:19.14 | PyroPhelia | brb gotta boot my server |
| 00:19.23 | AlexTO | in order to run fsck, i is under a menu or do i have to do that trough and a terminal? |
| 00:19.43 | PyroPhelia | term |
| 00:19.54 | PyroPhelia | there might be a menu option, but I have no clue where it would be |
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| 00:26.22 | aguitel | AlexTO, under terminal ,no mount nothing |
| 00:27.10 | PyroPhelia | ls |
| 00:27.19 | PyroPhelia | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:27.26 | PyroPhelia | sorry |
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| 00:32.15 | AlexTO | OK, doing that, but i went but terminal and do not takes the commands |
| 00:32.40 | AlexTO | ok let me do that |
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| 00:37.08 | AlexTO | that command appears as: not such file or directory |
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| 00:39.02 | AlexTO | when it start up switch to runlevel 2 |
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| 00:56.36 | rainy-day | How can I apply changes made to /etc/inittab? |
| 00:57.06 | Bryanstein | init q |
| 00:57.33 | rainy-day | Bryanstein: thanks! |
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| 01:16.38 | elik | I'm trying to use slocate --database to search the database file of another computer, but searching for files I know only exist on this computer fails. Searching for files on the locale computer, on the other end, works... |
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| 01:19.52 | fruitwerks | anyone ever loose the ability to use keyboard input on iceweasel? (lenny amd64) |
| 01:20.35 | babilen | *lose |
| 01:20.53 | babilen | Did not happen to me so far |
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| 01:21.41 | fruitwerks | yeah and simply closing it and re-opening it does not work.. I have to restart my kde (3.5 ) session |
| 01:22.10 | babilen | And it is only iceweasel? |
| 01:22.15 | fruitwerks | yeah lol |
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| 01:23.02 | adb | fruitwerks, on a homemade kernel ? |
| 01:24.05 | fruitwerks | yeah, but the same config worked on gentoo and kde 4.3 |
| 01:24.33 | fruitwerks | kinda funny and annoying :/ |
| 01:25.30 | fruitwerks | anyone know where the default server httpd dir for apache is? |
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| 01:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/www? |
| 01:26.33 | adb | fruitwerks, you had said you are expert in making/compile kernels .. |
| 01:26.50 | fruitwerks | that was my second guess.. I am used to /var/www/localhost |
| 01:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | grep -i "documentroot" /etc/apache2/*/* |
| 01:27.17 | fruitwerks | adb, bno that was Debian kernels, and complex rsync and cp operations |
| 01:27.38 | fruitwerks | Debian kernels are just like Gentoo, except actually installing them |
| 01:27.55 | fruitwerks | ( make, configure..) |
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| 01:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 01:29.12 | fruitwerks | hmm just lost my keyboard in xterm too |
| 01:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686-bigmem" is like gentoo? |
| 01:29.37 | babilen | fruitwerks: You are doing it wrong ;) |
| 01:29.40 | fruitwerks | I think I am hitting some unknown macro |
| 01:30.15 | fruitwerks | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried three pre-packaged kernels, non of them booted with the hardware, so I had to do a manual congi - and I have plenty experience with that! |
| 01:30.30 | fruitwerks | *config |
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| 01:31.14 | fruitwerks | oh ! it is like the Alt key is stuck |
| 01:32.04 | adb | old keyboard ? change him maybe |
| 01:32.22 | fruitwerks | the keyboard works fine |
| 01:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... iceweasel is automatically displaying pdb files with rasmol as a plugin... |
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| 01:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | any way to get a choice for that so that I can just look at the text of the pdb-file? |
| 01:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess that runs via mozplugger? |
| 01:34.00 | fruitwerks | can we run like firefox-bin? I'm not liking iceweasel |
| 01:34.37 | babilen | fruitwerks: Sure, install it |
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| 01:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 01:35.24 | babilen | fruitwerks: What is it you dislike about iceweasel? |
| 01:36.09 | fruitwerks | I can't install plugins like I can in firefox |
| 01:36.22 | babilen | huh? |
| 01:36.26 | babilen | Sure you can |
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| 01:36.52 | fruitwerks | every plugin I tried said it is not compatable |
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| 01:37.26 | jhamlin_ | hey folks, I can't get fluxbox to maximize windows properly. There is always a little gap at some of the edges of the screen. Yes I have set slit, tabs, and toolbar to "maxOver". What could be the problem?? |
| 01:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's kind of vexing, now I have to wget the pdb instead |
| 01:37.46 | fruitwerks | heh |
| 01:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course it's really nice to be able to view them in iceweasel, but ... should be able to choose |
| 01:37.53 | fruitwerks | anyway.. gotta go |
| 01:37.54 | fruitwerks | thanks |
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| 01:55.37 | Openfree | any one can tell me which package provide file "/usr/include/sys/cdefs.h"? |
| 01:56.17 | Openfree | I'm using lenny |
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| 01:56.45 | babilen | !tell Openfree about apt-file |
| 01:56.56 | babilen | Openfree: Or search on packages.debian.org |
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| 02:05.46 | SRabbelier | Something weird is going on, I have installed python2.5-openssl, but `python2.5 -c "import ssl"` gives an ImportError, while `python2.6 -c "import ssl"` works just fine, any ideas? |
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| 02:13.46 | User_007 | is there safe to install upstart on Squeeze AMD64? |
| 02:14.21 | babilen | User_007: upstart is still in heavy development ... install it if you want to try it |
| 02:14.29 | babilen | check the bts before |
| 02:14.55 | babilen | User_007: and please: search for something else ... boot time is completely irrelevant! |
| 02:16.02 | User_007 | babilen, it tells that i need to remove sysvinit. if i can't use upstart there is a way to start my system again? |
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| 02:18.06 | babilen | User_007: Yes, you are replacing system-v init style with upstart ... there is not way *not* to remove sysvinit if you want to do that |
| 02:19.29 | User_007 | yes, what i want to say is: if, by some way, upstart don't work, there is a way to recover my system? |
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| 02:23.15 | babilen | sure |
| 02:23.40 | babilen | but why do you want to play with the init system? |
| 02:23.44 | User_007 | babilen, do you have a clue? |
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| 02:24.49 | babilen | about what? |
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| 02:29.57 | User_007 | babilen, sorry i lost connection |
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| 02:30.11 | User_007 | have you said something? |
| 02:31.57 | babilen | "about what?" |
| 02:32.09 | User_007 | if something goes wrong with upstart, there is a way back for restore my system? |
| 02:32.19 | babilen | "sure" |
| 02:32.25 | babilen | "but why do you want to play with the init system?" |
| 02:33.09 | User_007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.09 | yagoo | User_007, there is a way "back" for restore my system? .. watch your back!! |
| 02:33.53 | User_007 | yagoo sorry for my bad english |
| 02:33.58 | yagoo | User_007, user vmware or virtualbox and use snapshots |
| 02:34.30 | yagoo | User_007, your english is fine, I was hoping of creating exciting literature :p |
| 02:35.05 | yagoo | (/i meant to say try to look into using vmware, /use/user/) |
| 02:35.46 | babilen | User_007: There is always a way back and several way to fix your system. I just wonder why you are so eager to risk breaking your system for something as unimportant as boot time |
| 02:36.16 | babilen | nuff said - read the bts for upstart and try it |
| 02:36.30 | babilen | batteries not included and warranty void though |
| 02:36.38 | User_007 | bts is ok... |
| 02:37.00 | User_007 | well its installed. |
| 02:37.04 | babilen | well, then there are no known issues with it |
| 02:37.05 | User_007 | lets try,/.. |
| 02:37.12 | User_007 | bye |
| 02:37.13 | babilen | try it and tell us about your experiences |
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| 02:42.12 | User_007 | it worked! |
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| 02:43.46 | babilen | great |
| 02:43.56 | babilen | and? whole new experience? |
| 02:44.36 | User_007 | yes.. a very very slow internet conection... |
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| 02:50.07 | hoddell | after fsck corrected many bad inodes, my hdisk hang at "hald" during boot. It cannot even be detected via the installation CD. what could be wrong? |
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| 02:57.44 | hoddell | everyone out on Friday evening fun? |
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| 02:59.53 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 03:01.58 | User_007 | guys, is there a way to load metacity and others while booting in the way of getting a faster after-gdm start? |
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| 03:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | cat /usr/bin/metacity >/dev/null? |
| 03:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'd fall out of buffer over time, though |
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| 03:18.14 | thick_mcrunfast | CutMeOwnThroat: He's already gone |
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| 03:18.52 | thick_mcrunfast | I was going to suggest creating a ramdisk and unionfs mounting it over /usr/ so that stuff that tried to access the ramdisk would be accessing ram directly |
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| 03:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's a crackpot idea anyway :) |
| 03:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think it takes long to load |
| 03:20.17 | thick_mcrunfast | Yeah, not many people attempt slowboot, it's usually the other way around |
| 03:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about metacity, but fvwm is there pretty much instantly |
| 03:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what would be nice though, if there was a way to have the kernel save the hardware configuration so not everything has to be auto-detected on every boot |
| 03:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course that would mean you'd have to supply a kernel-option whenever you do change hardware... |
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| 03:24.59 | itsosimpo | hello does anyone have matlab 2010? |
| 03:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read that as mrs. hiny |
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| 03:45.59 | macrobat | i'm trying to get a larger font in dmenu. i keep picking fonts, but i guess they are not availiable, since i get the default one |
| 03:46.22 | macrobat | how do i know what fonts are availiable in what sizes? |
| 03:47.00 | macrobat | are they the same that appears in xfontsel? |
| 03:47.20 | macrobat | not really much in there |
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| 03:58.28 | macrobat | is there some easy way to see what lines are valid? "-foundry-family-*-*-*-*-pixelsize-pointsize-*-*-*-*-*-*" |
| 03:59.08 | _Trinity_ | Has any one had Debian boot fine and just prior to starting gdm, the CRT screen goes black? Could it be a bad battery? Or RAM? The HD checked out, despite a lag and slight noise (that apparently comes from the HD) in booting. |
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| 04:05.23 | aitiba | hi |
| 04:05.56 | aitiba | in which packages is udefinfo command? I have udev installed on squeeze but I dont have udevinfo commando |
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| 04:09.40 | wols_ | aitiba: packages.debian.org knows. or you can use apt-file |
| 04:10.24 | ham5 | udevadm ? |
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| 04:10.51 | aitiba | ham5, udevinfo is not on squeeze and lenny? |
| 04:10.59 | ham5 | udevadm instead |
| 04:11.05 | aitiba | ham5, thanks |
| 04:11.09 | wols_ | aitiba: as pdo shows, it's not in testing. it is however in stable |
| 04:12.12 | aitiba | always I forgot it first to see pdo before ask there |
| 04:12.16 | aitiba | thanks |
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| 04:22.05 | Rezagrats | How do i solve an 'Error 5: Partition table invalid or corrupt' ? i get this right after i select the kernal to use. |
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| 04:24.23 | pythetic | i am the tentacles of evil |
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| 04:30.07 | smacnay | is there a working "lightning" for the icedove 3.x in sid? |
| 04:30.42 | wols_ | Rezagrats: what is in your partition table? |
| 04:31.56 | wols_ | smacnay: it's an addon. did you try to install it like one? |
| 04:32.02 | Rezagrats | Wols_, are you talking about how i parititioned the disk? |
| 04:32.18 | wols_ | I talk how your partition table looks for grub to declare it corrupt |
| 04:32.58 | smacnay | wols_, yes, but got some gcc versioning error. |
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| 04:33.22 | Rezagrats | How would i look at the paritition table? |
| 04:33.31 | wols_ | fdisk -l for starters |
| 04:33.47 | Rezagrats | I can't boot into the system though. |
| 04:33.49 | wols_ | smacnay: I should have to tell you about /msg dpkg errors |
| 04:33.59 | wols_ | *shouldn't |
| 04:34.01 | wols_ | Rezagrats: and? |
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| 04:34.14 | wols_ | Rezagrats: you mean you can't do a rescue boot? |
| 04:34.28 | smacnay | wols_, no, thanks - just throwing the question out. |
| 04:35.16 | Rezagrats | Wols_, i think i did that once and it was trying to install the base system over what i had. |
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| 04:49.54 | wols_ | Rezagrats: then it wasn't a rescue boot.... |
| 04:57.40 | WormFood | why in the hell is it so hard to get pulseaudio working right? if I configure all my apps to use alsa, it seems that everything works except vlc....if I configure everything to use pulseaudio, I can't share audio with firefox/iceweasel...won't even work with padsp....what the hell am I missing here? |
| 04:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you trying to provoke any "because puleseaudio is crap" responses? |
| 04:58.37 | WormFood | no |
| 04:58.48 | WormFood | just trying to figure out what to do to make it work right |
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| 05:15.47 | eokr | aptitude is still trying to update a removed repository - any ideas? |
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| 05:17.12 | macrobat | eokr: anything left in sources.list? |
| 05:17.22 | eokr | in other words - when i run aptitude update, it tries to hit a repo that i used in the past but is now offline, and thus i have removed from sources.list |
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| 05:24.49 | wols_ | eokr: apt-cache policy |
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| 05:38.38 | Pnux | hey.. i have an NTFS and an EXT3 partition on the same disk.. is it possible to resize the partitions without messing whats writen in them? |
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| 05:40.52 | Lisamo | is there any more detailed documentation on squeeze + qemu-kvm + public bridging? Everything I have found is for a specific application or too vague |
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| 05:46.59 | wols_ | Pnux: yes. use gparted, preferably via live cd |
| 05:48.11 | scratchme | Hi all. I'm interested if anyone knows a good site to read about doing software mirroring but controlling which disks are used on which side of the mirror for a raid 10. For example, if you have two controllers, say Controller-A, and Controller-B. All things equal, it makes the most sense to place disks in RAID 10 split evenly between the controllers such that each half of a mirror exists on one controller only. |
| 05:49.25 | Pnux | wols_: i cant run CDs, whats the worst thing that could happen if i run it normally? |
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| 06:13.24 | scratchme | The best I'm able to see is I can create the RAID 1 devices manually, then create a RAID 0 over all the RAID 1's. |
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| 06:14.07 | scratchme | "7.2.2 Creating Nested RAID 10 (1+0) with mdadm" in http://www.scribd.com/doc/2931423/Novell-Suse-Linux-Enterprise-Server-10-Storage-Adminstration-Guide |
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| 06:20.08 | wols_ | Pnux: you need to mount read only ALL your affected partitions (ideally you want to unmount them, but your / ext3 can't be unmounted). And as always, the worst that can happen is complete dataloss when resizing. so if you are doing this without a full backup, you are a fool |
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| 06:22.36 | Pnux | wols_: i see, thanks for the help! |
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| 06:35.25 | mvk | i installed debian on a drive, while another sata drive was disconnected |
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| 06:35.42 | mvk | now i connected the drive again, i cannot access debian anymore |
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| 06:36.04 | mvk | so i changed /dev/sda in /etc/inittab to /dev/sdb > but it still doesnt boot |
| 06:36.20 | mvk | should i also edit grub menu.lst, what should i do? |
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| 06:36.42 | Pnux | mvk: do you get the grub list on boot? |
| 06:36.50 | mvk | (the netinst. cdrom doesnt contain 'live' mode right) |
| 06:36.53 | mvk | Pnux: nopes |
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| 06:37.28 | Pnux | mvk: what about making the one with debian the master one? |
| 06:37.44 | mvk | switch cables you mean? |
| 06:37.47 | mvk | (its sata :D) |
| 06:37.55 | mvk | not sure if theres master/slave |
| 06:38.27 | mvk | so stupid i didnt think about switching cable |
| 06:38.34 | mvk | feels stupid |
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| 06:39.02 | Pnux | mvk: dont forget to change the inittab |
| 06:39.22 | mvk | doing |
| 06:39.23 | mvk | right |
| 06:39.24 | mvk | now |
| 06:39.28 | pabs3 | inittab shouldn't reference any disks |
| 06:39.39 | pabs3 | perhaps you mean fstab |
| 06:39.42 | mvk | yes |
| 06:39.43 | mvk | sorry |
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| 06:40.03 | mvk | ok, so i changed the fstab back to all sda instead of sdb |
| 06:40.12 | mvk | in single user/maintanance mode |
| 06:40.26 | mvk | now i just power it off, and switch the sata cables right |
| 06:40.48 | pabs3 | btw, it is better to use UUIDs or labels in fstab than device names, since those change |
| 06:41.07 | mvk | pabs3: i know UUID's is cooler ;D but debian setup gave me /dev/nodes |
| 06:41.42 | pabs3 | yeah, next version should give UUIDs IIRC |
| 06:41.59 | mvk | :)) |
| 06:42.44 | mvk | pabs3: ok well at least you helped me fixing it! |
| 06:42.49 | mvk | so im happy, thank you :) |
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| 06:57.54 | helo_ | dpkg: realtime |
| 06:57.54 | dpkg | helo_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:58.07 | mvk | O_o |
| 06:58.15 | mvk | noty bot! |
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| 07:01.13 | quentusrex | Anyone know how to get more info about what failed: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 07:01.27 | quentusrex | that seems to be a unspoken about bug... |
| 07:02.52 | Pnux | quentusrex: have you done what it told you to do? |
| 07:03.08 | quentusrex | yes, but I don't see the connection... |
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| 07:11.21 | nsadmin | quentusrex: if you were to describe explicitly and in detail where the disconnect in your understanding is ("I don't see the connection" "WHAT connection is it you don't see?"), people would be able to see exactly the problem and try to help |
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| 07:12.17 | quentusrex | nsadmin, yes. I just found the issue. but the solution was not hinted at in the man page. |
| 07:12.28 | quentusrex | the solution for me was to cd into /var/cache/apt |
| 07:12.45 | quentusrex | and do a dpkg -i of the package(util-linux) |
| 07:12.50 | quentusrex | and it told me the problem |
| 07:12.59 | quentusrex | libc6 wasn't high enough |
| 07:13.24 | quentusrex | so I manually installed it |
| 07:13.29 | quentusrex | and now it's fixed. |
| 07:13.30 | nsadmin | not high enough? are you fully upgrading your entire debian? |
| 07:13.51 | quentusrex | from a really old version(2+ years out of date) |
| 07:13.55 | quentusrex | to sid |
| 07:14.06 | quentusrex | I found an old box hiding in the closet... |
| 07:14.38 | nsadmin | ok, so you need to go one dist at a time |
| 07:14.38 | nsadmin | not directly to sid |
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| 07:14.55 | nsadmin | and reading the release notes of each next dist |
| 07:15.03 | quentusrex | yes, I realized that after I had more than a dozen packages already updated. |
| 07:15.05 | nsadmin | and following those instructions |
| 07:15.35 | nsadmin | is this machine of any importance? specifically the data on it? |
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| 07:16.06 | tpocra | I am using the debian-installer to make an unencrypted host OS installed in a 4GB ext3 / partition, that also has a 2GB swap. The remainder of the HDD will be a serpent 256-bit encrypted LVM volume group for housing multiuple guest OSes. |
| 07:16.34 | tpocra | However, when creating the encrypted bit, d-i warns me that the unencrypted swap space can be used to compromise the keys of |
| 07:16.53 | dayo | can i mixed sources? i'm using squeeze and wondering if i can add sid and lenny sources to my sources.list to install pino |
| 07:16.57 | nsadmin | fyi... the way you're going about this ignores any importance existing data might have... if there's any importance whatsoever, you should back up before going any further |
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| 07:17.42 | tpocra | If I create the remainder of the space as unencrypted volume group first, and then individually encrypt the logical volumes, would I avoid this problem of my host OS's swap containing information needed to decrypt the encrypted LVs? |
| 07:17.52 | nsadmin | going further from this point, I will assume you're safely backed up, and if a bolt of ligntning takes your machine, there will be no problem because you have a backup |
| 07:17.56 | a_l_e | hi... i have a strange problem which occurs from times to times (and now it is happening...) |
| 07:18.21 | tpocra | Or would I be better off not having swap at all on my host OS (simply leaving my RAM vulnerable for some kind of cold freeze RAM attack?)? |
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| 07:18.37 | a_l_e | i have three debian manchines on a local network. from one machine i can ssh to the "server" from the other one not. |
| 07:19.04 | a_l_e | i can't even ping from here to the server... but the network is correctly working (i couldn't type this in here othewise) |
| 07:19.14 | nsadmin | in this specific case, by moving to sid you specifically disclaim any importance your data might have, and claim that any important data does not get worked on from the box you're upgrading to sid |
| 07:19.26 | a_l_e | if i restart the "server" i will probably be able to reach it... |
| 07:19.41 | a_l_e | ping says:Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 07:19.56 | a_l_e | any idea how can i let this computer see the other one? |
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| 07:20.20 | dayo | can i mixed sources? i'm using squeeze and wondering if i can add sid and lenny sources to my sources.list to install pino |
| 07:20.43 | nsadmin | dayo: mixtures are absolutely not recommended |
| 07:21.21 | nsadmin | compile stuff from source |
| 07:21.24 | dayo | nsadmin: what if i add lenny to my squeeze? |
| 07:21.34 | dayo | nsadmin: hmm. ok |
| 07:21.35 | a_l_e | i can ping the laptop which can ping (and ssh into) the server... |
| 07:21.36 | nsadmin | then the first applies |
| 07:21.38 | nsadmin | dayo: mixtures are absolutely not recommended |
| 07:21.59 | a_l_e | in the middle there is only a normal adsl router... |
| 07:22.03 | dayo | nsadmin: there was this package i heard about that let's you make a package from source. would u happen to know anything about this? |
| 07:22.21 | nsadmin | a_l_e give names we can use for all machines on your lan you're going to mention |
| 07:22.35 | nsadmin | also give a name to the gw |
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| 07:23.22 | a_l_e | laptop can ping server, workstation can ping laptop, workstation can't ping server (all of them wireless connected to the router) |
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| 07:23.49 | a_l_e | nsadmin: it's ok like this? |
| 07:23.50 | nsadmin | so there are: workstation, server, laptop, router |
| 07:23.55 | a_l_e | yep |
| 07:24.12 | nsadmin | router is also a wap? |
| 07:24.27 | a_l_e | and i'd want to ssh from workstation into server (and i can ssh from laptop into server) |
| 07:24.46 | a_l_e | nsadmin: yes, there are no other machine currently in my network |
| 07:25.17 | nsadmin | ok, is router a linux box? or one of those plastic router things? |
| 07:25.22 | nsadmin | or something else? |
| 07:25.47 | a_l_e | plastic thing from the network provider (swisscom) |
| 07:25.54 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:26.19 | a_l_e | all the machines with debian testing (but the router...) |
| 07:26.28 | nsadmin | what oses are workstation, server, laptop? debian testing? |
| 07:26.52 | a_l_e | yes |
| 07:27.23 | nsadmin | let's pick one that works, I guses server |
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| 07:27.46 | a_l_e | and, normally, i can connect from both the laptop and the workstation into the server... just from time to time it does not work. |
| 07:27.53 | nsadmin | how did you get server connected with router? |
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| 07:28.34 | a_l_e | server is "manually" connected to the router by wireless. laptop and workstation use wicd |
| 07:28.55 | nsadmin | manually? describe. |
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| 07:32.08 | a_l_e | nsadmin: here are is the lan information from the router... |
| 07:32.11 | a_l_e | http://pastebin.org/144004 |
| 07:32.21 | a_l_e | (so, there is also a nas in the network) |
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| 07:32.48 | a_l_e | is looking for the howto he has written for the server networking |
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| 07:33.05 | nsadmin | isn't ready for that info yet |
| 07:33.23 | nsadmin | still looking at how you manually configured server |
| 07:33.33 | a_l_e | yep, i'm looking for it... |
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| 07:33.55 | a_l_e | found |
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| 07:34.20 | nsadmin | what you might try, is the same process for laptop and workstation to see if that helps |
| 07:35.05 | nsadmin | I have no info for nas... os? all machines see it now? |
| 07:35.08 | a_l_e | i prefere to stick with wicd for other machines... i wanted wicd also on the server but the wicd team was a bit late for me :-) |
| 07:35.28 | nsadmin | well you'll never find out if you don't try |
| 07:35.29 | a_l_e | nas is a qnap with some sort of linux on it |
| 07:35.38 | a_l_e | http://pastebin.org/144007 |
| 07:35.57 | helo_ | wonders why there isn't a linux-source for the currently installed kernel version |
| 07:36.12 | a_l_e | above the instruction i followed to configure the network on the server |
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| 07:36.32 | nsadmin | it seems to me the only machine on the net correctly at this moment is server |
| 07:36.45 | a_l_e | nsadmin: why? |
| 07:36.56 | nsadmin | everything can contact server and server can contact everything (on the lan)? |
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| 07:37.35 | a_l_e | no, workstation can ping laptop |
| 07:37.51 | a_l_e | workstation can ping nas |
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| 07:37.57 | nsadmin | workstation cannot ping server? |
| 07:37.58 | a_l_e | workstation can't ping server |
| 07:38.26 | a_l_e | server can ping workstation |
| 07:38.35 | nsadmin | is there any machine on the lan other than router and nas that can contact and be contacted by all others? |
| 07:38.40 | a_l_e | and now workstation can ping server |
| 07:38.49 | a_l_e | (after having being pinged by the server) |
| 07:39.14 | a_l_e | so starting from now i can't reproduce the problem anymore... for now |
| 07:39.29 | nsadmin | maybe the mac addr has been changing on server? |
| 07:39.29 | a_l_e | i guess it's more a problem of a cache or somthing like this... |
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| 07:39.51 | a_l_e | no, there was no change on the network i am aware of |
| 07:40.16 | nsadmin | so at this point we really can't tell what the problem or the solution was |
| 07:40.29 | a_l_e | at least i can't! |
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| 07:41.09 | Molfar | what's the difference between sites-enabled and site-available? |
| 07:41.12 | helo_ | bah... there are only rt patches for 2.6.33-2 and 2.6.31, and there are only linux-source-2.6.{32,33-1} packages |
| 07:41.15 | nsadmin | but, glad it's worked out :) I guess when you start things up you have to ping other boxes from each until all has inkling of all others |
| 07:41.19 | a_l_e | well, i think that i'll store an abstract of this chat and come back the next time the problem shows up |
| 07:41.40 | a_l_e | nsadmin: the problem is that i can't ping from the server if i'm not connected to it... |
| 07:41.43 | nsadmin | good thought |
| 07:41.54 | helo_ | i guess there's no reason i should have to stick with linux-source packages to get the source... |
| 07:42.08 | a_l_e | in this case i was lucky that the laptop could connect :-) |
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| 07:42.56 | nsadmin | helo_, there are source packages for the linux kernel which are not in "linux-source-*" packages |
| 07:43.15 | a_l_e | however, nsadmin: thanks for caring and for helping out! |
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| 07:43.47 | nsadmin | to get them you would "apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:44.53 | nsadmin | a_l_e so if server were to disconnect, or a connection to server were to disconnect, you'd start getting connectivity problems? |
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| 07:45.23 | Kenaniah | question... |
| 07:45.28 | Kenaniah | is this channel full of assholes? |
| 07:45.39 | tpocra | Kenaniah: I am not an asshole. |
| 07:45.43 | Kenaniah | cool |
| 07:45.47 | tpocra | aye. |
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| 07:46.00 | helo_ | nsadmin: that makes sense... kinda ;) |
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| 07:46.10 | a_l_e | nsadmin: indeed i disconnected from the laptop before trying to connect from the workstation... afterwards the workstation could not connect but the laptop could reconnect... |
| 07:46.13 | tpocra | Does anyone know if I encrypt the swap partition of my host OS, can it still boot unattended correctly? |
| 07:46.20 | nsadmin | Kenaniah if you hold the mirror just right... you can see what's like an opinion |
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| 08:32.29 | helena | hi, my audio driver is failing, when i started to play a song the position starts jumping forwards and backwards randomly, how can i fix this problem? i'm on a Squeeze MacBook |
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| 08:41.05 | erry | When trying to convert .ogv to .mpg i get this errro |
| 08:41.07 | erry | swScaler: Unknown format is not supported as input pixel format |
| 08:41.07 | erry | Cannot get resampling context |
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| 08:42.16 | Molfar | how could I copy only htaccess files from some directory to another? |
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| 08:45.05 | erry | :( |
| 08:45.13 | erry | help? |
| 08:45.34 | tobago | ich have debian without gui running. i want to use it as video player as well. that is why i thought about something similar to mythtv (with slim gui), but without the overhead of mysql-server and stuff. is there an alternative to mythtv known? |
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| 08:46.27 | xyan | tobago: you can watch videos without X11 with mplayer (-vo fbdev) if you run a framebuffer |
| 08:46.32 | xyan | erry: what program? |
| 08:46.55 | tobago | xyan, interesting. i'll take a look at it. |
| 08:47.15 | erry | xyan, im trying to get ffmpg to convert ogv to mpg but it brings errors. Additionally, I can't download the source code from apt |
| 08:47.15 | tobago | goggles for good tutorial about mplayer |
| 08:47.20 | xyan | erry: try mencoder maybe? if you can |
| 08:47.31 | xyan | erry: do you have deb-src lines in your sources list? |
| 08:47.44 | xyan | tobago: no need, man mplayer ;-) |
| 08:47.47 | erry | xyan, yes i do |
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| 08:48.24 | erry | xyan, lemme try mencoder 1 sec |
| 08:48.47 | Molfar | how could I copy only htaccess files from some directory to another? |
| 08:49.11 | xyan | Molfar: huh copy it with cp⦠|
| 08:49.32 | cahoot | isn't it .htaccess? |
| 08:49.42 | xyan | right |
| 08:49.56 | cahoot | would a symlink do? |
| 08:50.22 | xyan | shrugs |
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| 08:50.53 | helena | hi, my audio driver is failing, when i started to play a song (on mplayer) the position starts jumping forwards and backwards randomly, how can i fix this problem? i'm on Squeeze |
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| 08:51.36 | cahoot | helena: does speaker-test -t wav -c2 works as expected? |
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| 08:51.56 | cahoot | s/works/work/ |
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| 08:52.44 | Wikian5958 | yea |
| 08:53.10 | Wikian5958 | yea |
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| 08:53.25 | helena | let me see, the problem is only in mplayer, moc work fine |
| 08:53.41 | erry | thanks Well |
| 08:53.44 | erry | memoder works |
| 08:53.45 | erry | :] |
| 08:53.58 | Wikian5958 | test |
| 08:54.07 | Wikian5958 | yea |
| 08:54.30 | cahoot | Wikian5958: do you have anything useful to contribute? |
| 08:54.39 | Wikian5958 | test |
| 08:54.49 | helena | cahoot: speaker-test works fine |
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| 08:55.20 | cahoot | helena: I take it from your earlier input this is only related to mplayer? |
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| 08:55.42 | cahoot | as opposed to moc |
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| 08:56.21 | helena | cahoot: yes, moc works fine, i already ask on #mplayer and i get no solution |
| 08:56.46 | cahoot | helena: tried several soundfiles/types? |
| 08:56.53 | xyan | helena: does mplayer play the speaker-test samples for example mplayer /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 08:57.47 | helena | cahoot: yes, .mp3 and .ogg |
| 08:57.56 | helena | xyan: let me see |
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| 08:59.28 | helena | xyan: yes, it does |
| 08:59.44 | xyan | ok but mp3 and ogg didnt work for you? |
| 08:59.54 | Wikian5958 | testing hello i have a quick question |
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| 09:00.02 | cahoot | !ask |
| 09:00.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:00.03 | helena | xyan on mplayer no |
| 09:00.17 | xyan | what soundcard are you using and is your processor good enough to decode mp3 or ogg files? |
| 09:00.34 | Wikian5958 | yea ok.. |
| 09:00.39 | Wikian5958 | hmm |
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| 09:01.08 | Wikian5958 | i downloded the cdrom and burnti it ot a cd |
| 09:01.12 | helena | xyan: i have a MacBook, with a HDA NVIDIA, chip Cirrus Logic CS4206 |
| 09:01.20 | Wikian5958 | and it isnt loading |
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| 09:01.45 | cahoot | Wikian5958: how did you burn? as image? |
| 09:01.54 | Wikian5958 | i dont kno |
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| 09:02.13 | Wikian5958 | should i try downloading it agina/???? |
| 09:02.16 | xyan | helena: well one more thing are those files arbitrary or variable bitrate? |
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| 09:02.33 | helena | Wikian5958: what type os extesion does the file(s) have? |
| 09:03.01 | Wikian5958 | i have a burnre that isnt working great so im thinking of loadint it to a usb??????/ |
| 09:03.13 | Wikian5958 | iso |
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| 09:03.17 | helena | xyan: i don't know, the file are simple songs |
| 09:03.22 | new-dpup-user | hi all |
| 09:03.39 | Wikian5958 | helina: iso |
| 09:03.41 | xyan | helena: please play a file that starts to stutter and pastebin the output of mplayer |
| 09:03.59 | new-dpup-user | i am having a problem with finding teh debian drivers for my samsung ml-2010 printer |
| 09:04.11 | Wikian5958 | im downloading it again <3 |
| 09:04.51 | xyan | Wikian5958: its a good idea to verify the md5/sha1 sum of your downloaded iso before burning it |
| 09:05.18 | Wikian5958 | ok ill check that |
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| 09:05.22 | Wikian5958 | hmmm |
| 09:05.28 | Wikian5958 | hmmmm |
| 09:05.41 | edd | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:05.44 | edd | can someone help me ? |
| 09:06.00 | xyan | aptitude install libstdc++6 |
| 09:06.05 | helena | xyan: http://sl.pastebin.com/9jpE1DqS |
| 09:06.07 | Wikian5958 | di you upgrade? |
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| 09:07.21 | new-dpup-user | hello help please i need teh debian drivers for samsungML20-10 printer |
| 09:07.21 | edd | i did that |
| 09:07.25 | edd | i have the same problem again |
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| 09:08.04 | Wikian5958 | hmm what needed those? |
| 09:08.05 | helena | edd: have you tried apt-get -f install ?? |
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| 09:08.27 | edd | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 51 not upgraded. |
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| 09:08.36 | bolt | I can't seem to successfully use find's regex with curly brackets. "touch foo; find . -regex '.*/f[o]{2}' finds nothing. why? |
| 09:09.00 | Wikian5958 | bolt: bash? |
| 09:09.06 | bolt | Wikian5958: yep |
| 09:09.16 | Wikian5958 | brb |
| 09:09.35 | helena | xyan: the part of JOY_UP JOY LEFT keeps until the end of the song |
| 09:09.39 | edd | I tried reboot |
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| 09:09.49 | xyan | helena: hrm that looks fine, besides that mplayer resamples the audio file from 44.1khz to 48khz which could be a problem |
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| 09:10.13 | Wikian5958 | k, ib |
| 09:10.36 | helena | xyan: how can i avoid mplayer to resamples the audio? |
| 09:10.45 | xyan | helena: thats just a warning about missing key bindings, try mplayer -nojoystick <mp3file> |
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| 09:10.55 | Wikian5958 | dunno bolt, find is great |
| 09:11.52 | Wikian5958 | did u try teh korn shell |
| 09:11.54 | xyan | helena: basically the resampling shouldn't be a problem at all. ^^ try to disable the joystick device at first since it will be used to control the song position (whatever is detected as joystick device on your macboob) |
| 09:11.59 | xyan | macbook* ;) |
| 09:12.13 | helena | xyan: Worked!! ;););) |
| 09:12.19 | xyan | yay ;) |
| 09:12.45 | Wikian5958 | or zsh |
| 09:13.02 | xyan | helena: edit ~/.mplayer/config and add the line "nojoystick" there so you don't have to type it over and over again |
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| 09:13.57 | edd | how do I see what version/architecture I am on my debian? |
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| 09:14.15 | xyan | edd: uname -m |
| 09:14.17 | Wikian5958 | aname -a |
| 09:14.34 | Wikian5958 | or that |
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| 09:15.36 | Wikian5958 | i only use bash tho... |
| 09:15.43 | helena | xyan: i just type nojoystick? or i muss asign it to a variable? |
| 09:15.46 | Wikian5958 | and locate ftw |
| 09:16.32 | xyan | helena: erm yeah nojoystick=1 maybe |
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| 09:17.01 | Wikian5958 | doe cygwin support mysql? |
| 09:17.12 | xyan | ask #cygwin this is #debian |
| 09:17.21 | Wikian5958 | pfff |
| 09:17.26 | Wikian5958 | ok sry ;p |
| 09:18.09 | Wikian5958 | i was surprise all it does |
| 09:18.28 | Wikian5958 | anyone running oooold hardware? |
| 09:18.35 | Wikian5958 | on debian>? |
| 09:19.23 | Wikian5958 | i need to install Debian on P2 |
| 09:19.38 | Wikian5958 | yes? |
| 09:19.44 | AimHere | That should work |
| 09:19.45 | xyan | should be fine with 256m of ram |
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| 09:19.52 | Wikian5958 | ahhh tyty |
| 09:20.01 | Wikian5958 | good |
| 09:20.03 | FabiOne | i use lenny on a celeron 800mhz in my home |
| 09:20.10 | helena | xyan: nojoystick = 0, nojoystick = no, doesn't worked |
| 09:20.13 | FabiOne | it's my gateway |
| 09:20.14 | Wikian5958 | :D |
| 09:20.20 | AimHere | I don't like using KDE or Gnome with old computers, because they're a tad big |
| 09:20.22 | Wikian5958 | awesome |
| 09:20.24 | AimHere | You might disagree |
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| 09:20.48 | Wikian5958 | i think it actually has 256 |
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| 09:20.48 | xyan | helena: i think nojoystick=1 (since its named _no_joystick) should do it, also avoid whitespace there |
| 09:20.53 | FabiOne | obviously no x running on it |
| 09:21.04 | Wikian5958 | thats it i put ram in a p3 |
| 09:21.24 | Wikian5958 | so aweome i have debian |
| 09:21.38 | helena | xyan: Worked!!! |
| 09:22.33 | Wikian5958 | woohoo is macos a good deeal or should ik stay w/ debian |
| 09:22.52 | helena | xyan: thank you ;) |
| 09:22.55 | xyan | helena: np |
| 09:23.06 | xyan | !tell Wikian5958 about poll |
| 09:23.13 | helena | Wikian5958: i have OSX and debian |
| 09:23.29 | Wikian5958 | fair nuff |
| 09:23.37 | Wikian5958 | i like the gui |
| 09:23.46 | Wikian5958 | in osx |
| 09:24.15 | helena | Wikian5958: yeah the gui is really nice, but i prefer to stay free :D |
| 09:24.16 | Wikian5958 | the email client sux |
| 09:24.32 | Wikian5958 | and well the gui is badass |
| 09:24.44 | Wikian5958 | dunno |
| 09:25.17 | Wikian5958 | email is ok.. |
| 09:25.37 | Wikian5958 | outlook express has wa moer featerues |
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| 09:26.21 | niklaswe | ' |
| 09:27.05 | Wikian5958 | !debhelper |
| 09:27.05 | dpkg | debhelper is probably a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 09:27.29 | Wikian5958 | thats the bot |
| 09:27.37 | Wikian5958 | ? |
| 09:28.07 | Wikian5958 | i go to diff channell? |
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| 09:29.41 | Wikian5958 | yea dont even download osx |
| 09:30.18 | Wikian5958 | not even worth it |
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| 09:30.39 | Wikian5958 | lol can u? |
| 09:31.02 | xyan | Wikian5958: please take your offtopic talk somewhere else, if you need support with debian then ask specific questions here |
| 09:31.31 | Wikian5958 | ahh sure... |
| 09:31.59 | Wikian5958 | when is sid comin ourt |
| 09:32.41 | Wikian5958 | is everything going as planned? |
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| 09:33.13 | helena | xyan: How can I stopped Gnome to start automatically? I want to always start it manually via $startx |
| 09:33.24 | cahoot | !nodm |
| 09:33.24 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 09:33.26 | Wikian5958 | rm it symlink |
| 09:33.31 | Wikian5958 | rmdir -r |
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| 09:34.28 | helena | Wikian5958: in /usr/bin?? |
| 09:34.38 | Wikian5958 | eww |
| 09:34.40 | cahoot | helena: see above |
| 09:34.40 | Wikian5958 | no |
| 09:34.42 | nkuttler | helena: do _not_ do that |
| 09:34.57 | Wikian5958 | do it the debian way |
| 09:35.20 | helena | nkuttler: ok ;) |
| 09:35.34 | Wikian5958 | rmbir -r slim |
| 09:35.56 | nkuttler | helena: do one of the things dpkg suggested |
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| 09:36.29 | Wikian5958 | yea |
| 09:36.34 | Wikian5958 | !next |
| 09:36.34 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:36.34 | helena | nkuttler: sorry, i don't see that, let me reas it |
| 09:36.47 | nkuttler | !ops Wikian5958 trolling |
| 09:36.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nkuttler complains about: Wikian5958 trolling |
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| 09:38.11 | Wikian5958 | k, ib |
| 09:38.16 | Wikian5958 | !nexy |
| 09:40.01 | Wikian5958 | i have used debian for long time i am not troll |
| 09:40.19 | Wikian5958 | i forgot a lot of stuff... |
| 09:40.29 | Wikian5958 | mort than you will evr know. |
| 09:40.58 | bolt | I can't seem to successfully use find's regex with curly brackets. "touch foo; find . -regex '.*/f[o]{2}' finds nothing. why? |
| 09:41.46 | oldnat | q |
| 09:41.52 | Wikian5958 | <3 regex |
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| 09:43.32 | Wikian5958 | if someone can get my music goin id be happy enough........ |
| 09:43.44 | Vmanz | whats wrong with it |
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| 09:44.26 | Wikian5958 | mpd is not streaming i cannot make it stream to network |
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| 09:44.32 | xyan | bolt: use --regextype posix-awk the default is emax style regex which doesnt use {} |
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| 09:45.18 | bolt | xyan: ah. thanks! |
| 09:45.18 | simonrvn | emacs |
| 09:45.29 | xyan | emacs damn := |
| 09:45.36 | Wikian5958 | wow nj |
| 09:45.39 | xyan | slaps himself and brews a coffee |
| 09:45.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:46.34 | Wikian5958 | speaking of brewing i have many songs to play here........ |
| 09:46.58 | Wikian5958 | wth i think i have it set up ok |
| 09:47.49 | xyan | users knowing more than everyone else will ever know tend to mute their mixer channels after having setup everything properly |
| 09:48.00 | simonrvn | just listened to a song by brown eagle singers |
| 09:48.00 | Wikian5958 | bah..... |
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| 09:48.19 | Wikian5958 | hmm elt me see |
| 09:48.31 | xyan | !tell Wikian5958 about alsa checklist |
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| 09:48.43 | Wikian5958 | ok wait yea its winblows so yea |
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| 09:49.02 | Wikian5958 | teh 'mixer is oik |
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| 09:49.37 | Wikian5958 | what is eol on winxp? |
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| 09:50.53 | Wikian5958 | sry OT again |
| 09:50.59 | Wikian5958 | me bad |
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| 09:51.39 | Wikian5958 | dri2 is good |
| 09:51.51 | Wikian5958 | doe debian have it? |
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| 09:54.16 | BusMaster | could someone suggest why my website is slow _only_ when accessed from the internal network? It works fine from outside. In my /etc/resolv.conf, I do have "192.168.0.2 domain.com" |
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| 09:54.39 | Wikian5958 | what kernel is stable Debian |
| 09:54.51 | Wikian5958 | i can tell you |
| 09:54.59 | Wikian5958 | routing |
| 09:55.33 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, you mean I have a problem with my routing? |
| 09:55.38 | Wikian5958 | bus you know tcp/ip? |
| 09:56.06 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, a little. I'm no expert. I read up a bit on DNS and I thought putting an entry in my /etc/resolv.conf should fix it |
| 09:56.16 | Wikian5958 | man bind |
| 09:56.19 | Wikian5958 | !next |
| 09:56.19 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 09:56.44 | xyan | BusMaster: /etc/hosts is the place to map hostname and ip |
| 09:57.00 | BusMaster | so my domain is sagar.se when I type http://sagar.se in my browser, I get a very fast website loading. but when I type www.sagar.se or http://flyg.sagar.se, its very slow |
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| 09:57.22 | aburch | BusMaster: Does the server do reverse DNS lookups for the clients' IPs? That might delay things. |
| 09:57.51 | BusMaster | xyan, correct. so since i have the entry in my /etc/hosts and when I type www.sagar.se, it should straightaway go to 192.168.0.2 right? or am I missing something? |
| 09:58.01 | Rezagrats | Why isn't 'ifconfig' working even though i have the proper packages installed. i type in 'ifconfig' (without the '' of course) and i get 'bash: ifconfig: command not found' |
| 09:58.22 | BusMaster | aburch, err, i'm lost. I'm not running a dns server myself, so who is doing the reverse lookup? |
| 09:58.32 | xyan | BusMaster: /etc/nsswitch.conf defines the order of lookups usually dns file ... so dns will be asked at first i think |
| 09:58.38 | BusMaster | Rezagrats, what does whereis ifconfig say? |
| 09:58.51 | aburch | BusMaster: Did you only add sagar.se to /etc/hosts or the other domains as well? |
| 09:58.55 | wols_ | Rezagrats: cause it's not in path. type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 09:59.29 | Rezagrats | Oh wow... i had to use a root terminal to use 'ifconfig' >_> |
| 09:59.37 | BusMaster | aburch, I only added sagar.se I assumed that some magic would take care of www.sagar.se and the subdomains |
| 09:59.39 | wols_ | Rezagrats: no you don't |
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| 10:00.02 | BusMaster | aburch, isn't that usually how it is? |
| 10:00.02 | wols_ | BusMaster: there is no magic. the dns server will be used for www.sagar.se and /etc/hosts for sagar.se |
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| 10:00.10 | wols_ | BusMaster: no it's not |
| 10:00.10 | BusMaster | wols_, ah |
| 10:00.33 | Rezagrats | Wols_, i can say that a normal terminal didn't work for me. i had to open a root terminal for it to work for some reason. |
| 10:00.51 | wols_ | Rezagrats: and I can say you don't listen. /sbin/ifconfig as I told you above |
| 10:01.10 | BusMaster | Rezagrats, try /sbin/ifconfig in a normal term |
| 10:01.49 | Rezagrats | That worked... but i shouldn't have to type out the path. |
| 10:02.06 | BusMaster | Rezagrats, you need to put /sbin/ in your PATH variable |
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| 10:03.18 | BusMaster | wols_, so adding www.sagar.se and subdomain.sagar.se will fix it. But as per theory, if a computer is on the outside, it looks up the DNS for my website and accesses it (and this works very fast). but if the computer is on the internal network, and it looks up the DNS, why is it slow? |
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| 10:04.31 | wols_ | what is in your resolv.conf? |
| 10:04.59 | Wikian5958 | bus, look @ hosts file on client |
| 10:05.30 | Wikian5958 | is it resolving to Internet interface or the localel one |
| 10:05.41 | BusMaster | wols_, domain swipnet.se \n search swipnet.se \n nameserver 130.244.127.161 |
| 10:05.45 | Rezagrats | BusMaster, i think my "PATH" is all jacked up... how do i put /sbin/ in it ? |
| 10:06.26 | wols_ | BusMaster: I'd put only the nameserver line in there |
| 10:06.33 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, my /etc/hosts has an entry with 192.168.0.2 sagar.se so i believe its resolving to the local one |
| 10:06.45 | wols_ | BusMaster: yes it is |
| 10:06.49 | Wikian5958 | try to ping by dns |
| 10:07.07 | BusMaster | Rezagrats, something like export PATH=/sbin/:$PATH; should work, I believe |
| 10:07.21 | wols_ | BusMaster: if you don't connect to swipnet.se domains often, remove the entries from resolv.conf |
| 10:08.03 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, hey, this is funny. ping sagar.se ping 192.168.0.2 but ping www.sagar.se pings 213.100.45.231 |
| 10:08.13 | Wikian5958 | *Inetenet |
| 10:08.21 | BusMaster | wols_, ok. I left it there because that is what appeared there when I was using DHCP before I got a router |
| 10:08.22 | Wikian5958 | :D |
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| 10:08.37 | Wikian5958 | so... |
| 10:09.04 | Wikian5958 | !done |
| 10:09.05 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, so it is as wols_ says. I need to put www.sagar.se and all the subdomain.sagar.se in my /etc/hosts file |
| 10:09.09 | Wikian5958 | !next |
| 10:09.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:09.10 | wols_ | BusMaster: of course. that's how you configured your DNS. it could be your router is crap and it takes ages for it to connect to its WAN IP |
| 10:09.47 | Wikian5958 | um yea |
| 10:09.52 | Wikian5958 | it does |
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| 10:10.20 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, not so fast :) would still like to understand why dns lookup is fast when I am outside the network and slow when I am inside the network. I mean, all other sites (like google.com work fast inside the network) |
| 10:10.30 | Wikian5958 | errr |
| 10:10.32 | Wikian5958 | hmm |
| 10:10.38 | Wikian5958 | try testing |
| 10:10.44 | Wikian5958 | yourself |
| 10:10.54 | Wikian5958 | sry dunno |
| 10:10.57 | wols_ | BusMaster: have you actually checked it's DNS lookup that is fast? or how do you know it's DNS and not something else? |
| 10:11.05 | BusMaster | wols_, you mean that the router could be taking a long time to go from 192.168.0.3 (my local ip) to 213.100.45.231 (my external ip which is assigned to the router) ? |
| 10:11.07 | mbruins | anyone got a good usenet client? |
| 10:11.12 | wols_ | BusMaster: have you actually checked it's DNS lookup that is fast? or how do you know it's DNS and not something else? |
| 10:11.20 | wols_ | mbruins: try pan? |
| 10:11.23 | Wikian5958 | you have to understand that the client has 2 interfaces |
| 10:11.31 | mbruins | wols_: ill try |
| 10:11.59 | Wikian5958 | *network * interfaces |
| 10:12.07 | BusMaster | wols_, I don't. I assumed that there is only DNS between the browser and www.sagar.se. what else could it be, for example? |
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| 10:12.25 | wols_ | any router you use, your apache server, etc |
| 10:12.38 | BusMaster | wols_, hmm, ok |
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| 10:13.12 | Wikian5958 | if u ping bydns and it resolves to Internet, man bind |
| 10:13.32 | BusMaster | wols_, for now i can be satisfied adding www.sagar.se to /etc/hosts. but as the number of subdomains grows, this could be awkward. what would be the technically elegant way to handle this later? |
| 10:13.53 | wols_ | the technical elegant way is to solve the problem... |
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| 10:14.00 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, ok, I'll man it. I just thought that bind was when you setup your own DNS server and I;m not running my own dns server. |
| 10:14.05 | Wikian5958 | no |
| 10:14.11 | wols_ | but unless we actually know what your problem is, we cannot give you hints how to solve it, can we? |
| 10:14.11 | Wikian5958 | no |
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| 10:14.21 | Wikian5958 | hmm |
| 10:14.30 | Wikian5958 | u got it |
| 10:14.34 | wols_ | BusMaster: using bind ofr this is not advised. overkill |
| 10:14.45 | Wikian5958 | yea |
| 10:14.45 | wols_ | if you want a chacing DNS, you use dnsmasq or such |
| 10:14.46 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, in fact, on my client man bind just says no manual entry for bind. I assume thati s be cause i am not runnign the bind dns server |
| 10:14.56 | Wikian5958 | lol yea |
| 10:15.05 | Wikian5958 | is just a thought |
| 10:15.05 | BusMaster | hmm ok. |
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| 10:15.24 | BusMaster | I believe I'll be content bypassing the problem for now. I only have a couple of subdomains |
| 10:15.28 | Wikian5958 | seriously if you ping by DNS |
| 10:15.41 | BusMaster | but thanks for hte insights guys. at least it tells me that the problem is beyond my current tech skills :) |
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| 10:16.00 | Wikian5958 | no is not |
| 10:16.28 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, I don't know how to setup a dns server and all the docs I read basically start with "arey ou sure you want to do this? This is complex.. " |
| 10:16.34 | Wikian5958 | thing is its late |
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| 10:17.31 | Wikian5958 | but ill tell u this, just start out with like the apache |
| 10:17.48 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, go on..I'm listening |
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| 10:18.05 | Wikian5958 | ea ok, its downoad |
| 10:18.15 | Wikian5958 | on the Ineternet |
| 10:19.29 | Wikian5958 | BusMaster |
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| 10:19.37 | Wikian5958 | ok |
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| 10:19.45 | Wikian5958 | 1 sec brb |
| 10:19.47 | BusMaster | ok |
| 10:19.53 | Pinchiukas | If I have an /etc/rc2.d/S20linux-igd, it must start at boot? |
| 10:19.57 | Wikian5958 | going to turn on teh radio |
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| 10:22.33 | Wikian5958 | ok how do i find a ll files longer than 1 day old don,t try to tll me find |
| 10:23.21 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, find it is :) specifically, find /home/sagar/www-data/sagar -mtime +1 will give you files greater than 1 day old |
| 10:23.38 | Wikian5958 | arrrgghhh |
| 10:23.43 | Wikian5958 | ok |
| 10:24.13 | Wikian5958 | i can adjust that imma saveit ytyt |
| 10:24.16 | Wikian5958 | ty |
| 10:24.33 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, and if you want to do something (like delete) on each file that is greater than 1 day old, just put the command after it like find /home/sagar/www-data/sagar -mtime +1 -exec rm {} \; |
| 10:24.52 | Wikian5958 | thing is find is too hard o use mostly |
| 10:24.59 | thrashold | Has maximum devastating effect when called on / as root :) |
| 10:25.11 | BusMaster | thrashold, :) |
| 10:26.17 | Wikian5958 | i like slokete |
| 10:26.24 | BusMaster | Wikian5958, its easier to post your problem to google and find (pardon the pun) the solution on some forum where they tell you how to use find |
| 10:26.41 | Wikian5958 | bahgh.. |
| 10:27.01 | Wikian5958 | ok |
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| 10:28.34 | Wikian5958 | hey does debian have find |
| 10:28.44 | Wikian5958 | jk |
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| 10:29.22 | Wikian5958 | Lenny: Overrated? |
| 10:29.30 | Wikian5958 | go! |
| 10:29.37 | Wikian5958 | p |
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| 10:30.18 | Wikian5958 | Lenny=Awesome herre.. |
| 10:30.21 | Wikian5958 | ty |
| 10:31.14 | Wikian5958 | no its squeeze... ;P |
| 10:31.24 | abchirk | k |
| 10:32.49 | Wikian5958 | hey if i can make the 2nd best distro how many downloads is that? |
| 10:33.47 | Wikian5958 | roughly |
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| 10:35.40 | phogg | Wikian5958: I don't understand the question. |
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| 10:36.06 | Wikian5958 | well, its a meta question.... |
| 10:36.40 | Wikian5958 | how much bandwidth does Linux take |
| 10:37.19 | Pinchiukas | If I have an /etc/rc2.d/S20linux-igd, it must start at boot? |
| 10:38.01 | Wikian5958 | what architecture |
| 10:38.12 | phogg | Wikian5958: the question is nonsense |
| 10:38.30 | thrashold | Pinchiukas: It will be called with the start argument, unless you're using the new init. This doesn't mean that it will start at boot |
| 10:38.30 | phogg | Pinchiukas: if you boot to runlevel 2 and the file is executable |
| 10:38.40 | Wikian5958 | ok how much does it waste |
| 10:38.44 | Wikian5958 | :D |
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| 10:39.02 | phogg | Wikian5958: you're still not asking a question that I can understand |
| 10:39.05 | Arrowmaster | phogg: hes been nothing but nonsense for over an hour and a half i think |
| 10:39.10 | Wikian5958 | i understand |
| 10:39.15 | Wikian5958 | ty |
| 10:39.27 | phogg | Arrowmaster: I can see that. |
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| 10:40.42 | Wikian5958 | failed insatlls aline |
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| 10:40.56 | Wikian5958 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.09 | Wikian5958 | other than that |
| 10:41.29 | babilen | Wikian5958: Do you actually have a Debian question? |
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| 10:41.37 | Wikian5958 | yes |
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| 10:42.20 | Wikian5958 | is debian ,open sourse,ed? |
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| 10:43.02 | babilen | Seriously? |
| 10:43.03 | phogg | Wikian5958: Everything in debian is open source. |
| 10:43.09 | phogg | Wikian5958: are you done now? |
| 10:43.21 | Wikian5958 | i have to enable the repos |
| 10:43.31 | Wikian5958 | yes |
| 10:44.05 | phogg | Well that was pointless. |
| 10:44.12 | Wikian5958 | hey i am a longtime |
| 10:44.22 | Wikian5958 | Debian User |
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| 10:45.02 | babilen | Wikian5958: You should know than if Debian is open source software or not. Please stop wasting our time. :-\ |
| 10:45.10 | babilen | s/than/then |
| 10:45.14 | Wikian5958 | pff hhmmm |
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| 10:45.48 | Wikian5958 | thing is Debian is chanignig |
| 10:46.02 | thrashold | Wikian5958: How old are you? |
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| 10:46.24 | Wikian5958 | hmm yea and how old are u |
| 10:46.55 | Wikian5958 | what u cruising 4 a date? |
| 10:47.05 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 10:47.09 | Pinchiukas | Wow, AOLspeak. |
| 10:47.10 | bkjoe | you are either drunk, or an idiot. go away wikian. |
| 10:47.14 | babilen | !u |
| 10:47.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:47.32 | cahoot | a quite successful troll |
| 10:47.39 | babilen | oh yeah |
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| 10:52.53 | Wikian5958 | ok |
| 10:53.07 | Wikian5958 | sry i have 1 more q |
| 10:53.26 | bkjoe | how about no |
| 10:53.34 | Wikian5958 | waht time is it???/ |
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| 10:53.55 | Mowee | Hi |
| 10:54.08 | Wikian5958 | hiya |
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| 10:56.05 | Wikian5958 | yea |
| 10:56.22 | Pinchiukas | thrashold: well it's not, I believe. |
| 10:56.23 | Wikian5958 | tesr |
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| 10:56.35 | Pinchiukas | Somebody should ban this clown. |
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| 10:59.59 | cahoot | don't underestimate /ignore |
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| 11:02.49 | qwd | don't underestimate not feeding a troll |
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| 11:05.39 | ham5 | here lately ive noticed I cant resize a window accross my screens |
| 11:06.36 | ham5 | its something with compiz |
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| 11:20.22 | datenritter | hmm, i'm stuck. upgraded apache2 and an auth-plugin (PHP) stopped working, error: PHP Notice: Undefined index: SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_Email in ... |
| 11:20.28 | datenritter | (testing) |
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| 11:21.02 | datenritter | any ideas? |
| 11:21.29 | datenritter | hmm, probably a PHP-problem, not apache's fault... |
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| 11:27.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | does anyone here know a good way to share make jobs via ethernet? |
| 11:27.01 | nse | Hello. Debian ifconfig displays a different internet address from websites like whatismyip.com. I can't what my public address is in fact. |
| 11:27.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | So I can compile stuff using more then one machine |
| 11:27.24 | wols_ | KaffeeJunky123: distcc |
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| 11:27.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols_: thanks I'll look it up :) |
| 11:27.39 | wols_ | nse: do you have a router? is your debian IP adderss 192.168.x.x? |
| 11:28.36 | nse | wols_: Yes I have a modem. I don't know if it's a router. Yes debian IP address is 192.182.x.x. |
| 11:28.58 | wols_ | nse: that's why. you use NAT. debian cannot know your public IP address |
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| 11:29.41 | nsadmin | you can try tracerouting |
| 11:30.06 | nsadmin | you can try sshing to something then do who |
| 11:30.14 | wols_ | nse: traceroute won't work |
| 11:31.15 | nse | wols_: Is there a way to disable being a nat? |
| 11:31.47 | nsadmin | and hook directly to the cable? |
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| 11:32.05 | wols_ | sure, tho it depends on the router if and how you can do it. but then you can only use one PC behind your router and if you use stuff like PPPoE your computer has to do that on its own |
| 11:32.25 | wols_ | !wayttd nse |
| 11:32.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nse? |
| 11:32.55 | nse | wols_: I am trying to access my web server through my public internet address. |
| 11:33.16 | nsadmin | is it static? |
| 11:33.24 | wols_ | ok. did you port forward port 80 from your router to your internal webserver? |
| 11:33.26 | nse | It says that the page isn't available when I hit my IP in the web browser. |
| 11:33.51 | nsadmin | wols has the next question |
| 11:34.22 | nse | wols_: Would my internal webserver mean the address 192.168.x.x? |
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| 11:34.41 | wols_ | your internal webserver IP is your debian IP |
| 11:34.50 | nsadmin | well that's an internal and unroutable IP |
| 11:35.23 | nsadmin | you need to configure your router. See wols question |
| 11:35.57 | babilen | nse: You probably want to use something like dyndns and forward incoming connections on 80 and 443 from your router to your (internal) webserver |
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| 11:36.15 | nse | But how can I proper forward it if my address is not static? |
| 11:36.34 | nsadmin | you need to configure your router. |
| 11:36.45 | nse | There is a control panel for router configuration. |
| 11:36.50 | babilen | nse: You make your internal IP static and use dyndns for figuring out the external address |
| 11:38.34 | nse | babilen: How can I do that? |
| 11:39.05 | nsadmin | you may have to turn your router's dhcp server off |
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| 11:39.36 | nsadmin | I think some routers don't let you forward ports unless it |
| 11:39.45 | nsadmin | is off anyway |
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| 11:46.09 | babilen | nse: Some routers even support dyndns natively. |
| 11:47.05 | nse | babilen: Do I have to port forward my internal internet address? |
| 11:47.07 | wols_ | some? by now, pretty much all |
| 11:47.29 | wols_ | nse: no. you portforward port 80 on your router to the debian IP |
| 11:47.35 | babilen | is always to cautious |
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| 11:47.38 | wols_ | you forward ports, not IPs |
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| 11:52.11 | djangoblin | hi. I run lenny stable on a remote server and I just split the / partition to /, /usr, /tmp, /var partitions using fdisk while the system was not booted. now I cannot reach the server after booting it. is there something I need to do in grub or somewhere? I never touched the /boot partition, and only made changes to fstab - thx! |
| 11:53.02 | bolt | how did you split the root partition using fdisk? |
| 11:53.08 | bolt | are you sure your data is intact? |
| 11:53.24 | djangoblin | I removed the / partition and made new ones |
| 11:53.44 | babilen | djangoblin: And how did you copy the data to the new ones? |
| 11:54.05 | djangoblin | contents of / were moved away via "rsync -av" and later back the same way |
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| 11:55.10 | babilen | probably problems with the device identifiers. Boot with a live cd and switch to UUID or (better) labels and adjust your fstab |
| 11:55.19 | djangoblin | the four new partitions are mountable (tested manually) |
| 11:55.46 | djangoblin | I checked the UUIDs of the new partitions via the "blkid" command and used these in the new fstab |
| 11:55.52 | babilen | djangoblin: Do you know the error you get on boot or don't you have console access? |
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| 11:56.16 | babilen | Ok, you might want to finish your story first before we start to suggest things you've already tried |
| 11:56.44 | babilen | Have you reinstalled grub? |
| 11:56.54 | djangoblin | (sorry for that) |
| 11:57.26 | djangoblin | no, I didn't, figuring I don't need to since the /boot partition is still the same |
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| 11:57.59 | babilen | So, what are the symptons? |
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| 11:59.07 | djangoblin | as it's a remote server, all I'm seeing is that ping+ssh does not work (which is not very helpful, obviously) |
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| 12:01.07 | djangoblin | not seeing the booting directly makes it harder to diagnose. would you recommend not mounting /var in a different partition for the time being, to see if logs get written to? |
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| 12:01.35 | humbolt | same old question: is the release of squeeze a near or a far goal? |
| 12:01.45 | babilen | !tell humbolt about wwsr |
| 12:01.50 | wols_ | same old answer /msg dpkg about wir |
| 12:02.36 | babilen | djangoblin: Well, if it is a grub problem you will not see anything. You could enable bootlogd (/msg dpkg bootlogd) to see if the problem is something else |
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| 12:03.34 | djangoblin | thx for the pointer! |
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| 12:06.53 | meekatron | hello all i have made a bit of a blunder.. i have debian installed but seem to have miss typed my user pass and root pass is there a way of resetting them or have i to do a fresh install again |
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| 12:07.51 | wols_ | !tell meekatron about forgot root password |
| 12:07.51 | humbolt | thanks guys, that info was very usefull |
| 12:08.27 | humbolt | reading the docs I came across an interesting topic: LFS - Large File Support |
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| 12:09.31 | humbolt | I am a bit confused about LFS, as far as I remember I always used to have files larger than 2GB on 32Bit Systems. |
| 12:09.42 | humbolt | So what is LFS about? |
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| 12:09.52 | bkw | Can multiple iscsi initiators mount the same block device on the target and write to it? |
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| 12:10.29 | lxsameer | hi i have key issue with my repo http://pastebin.com/WmJj9XG9 , i'm in ubuntu now , and try to get debian repo with debmirror , what can i do |
| 12:10.48 | humbolt | Will squeeze still incorporate Xen? |
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| 12:11.00 | wols_ | lxsameer: ask ubuntu |
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| 12:11.43 | lxsameer | wols_: i'm using debian , and download the repo for debian , the current ubuntu is temporary , |
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| 12:12.16 | wols_ | lxsameer: the dpkg which throws the error is not debian. it is ubuntu. under debian, there is no error like this, it's only a warning. ask #ubuntu |
| 12:13.41 | lxsameer | wols_: you are wrong because i get that error in debian too , i think i don't have the right key , so it's not matter that what do i use now . |
| 12:14.07 | wols_ | feel free to think what you want. have a nice day |
| 12:14.43 | lxsameer | wols_: it's better for you to say that earlier |
| 12:15.07 | wols_ | it's better for you to have a clue, but I guess that train left the station long ago |
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| 12:16.52 | orflon | hello, which package is for installing blowfish support to crypt() for php? |
| 12:18.37 | wols_ | orflon: apt-cache search php |grep crypt |
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| 12:19.30 | orflon | wols_, you mean that: php-crypt-cbc ? |
| 12:19.48 | wols_ | no I don't. read the descriptions |
| 12:20.00 | orflon | then mcrypt? |
| 12:20.07 | orflon | I don't see anything relevant that's why. |
| 12:20.37 | wols_ | is this 20 questions? see what php5-mcrypt depends on (hint: libmcrypt4), and what those dependencies provide |
| 12:20.52 | orflon | ok |
| 12:23.47 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how do i add an user to a group, is it using usermod ?? |
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| 12:24.21 | positron_ | adduser user group |
| 12:24.55 | arvind_khadri | then what is usermod used for ? |
| 12:25.03 | wols_ | yes usermod can be used too |
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| 12:25.08 | wols_ | there is more than one way to do it |
| 12:25.57 | orflon | wols_, the package is installed but still. I try this code to verify it: http://codepad.org/FQuD4hfS |
| 12:26.00 | arvind_khadri | wols_, i am the user , i want to add myself to vboxusers group , so should the command be like <<usermod -G vboxusers>> |
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| 12:27.01 | wols_ | orflon: dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 12:27.17 | lxsameer | is there any way to prioritize the repos ? |
| 12:27.39 | djangoblin | the /sbin/init binary does not seem to reveal its version. how can I check which version of sysvinit I have without using package management tools? |
| 12:27.44 | wols_ | you cannot add yourself to any group. |
| 12:28.09 | wols_ | lxsameer: #ubuntu. and no, just cause dpkg also exist in debian doesn't make this a debian question |
| 12:28.22 | wols_ | arvind_khadri: well, unless you are root that is |
| 12:28.35 | Guest34521 | how can i get aptitude to remove all automatically installed packages which were installed to satisfy recommendations? |
| 12:28.49 | lxsameer | wols_: this question is not about ubuntu its about debian |
| 12:28.58 | orflon | wols_, http://codepad.org/sldAQ5GB |
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| 12:30.03 | wols_ | orflon: dunno then since php6-mcrypt is installed. I'd suggest asking php folks about their mcrypt stuff. have you restarted your apache btw? |
| 12:30.12 | babilen | !tell lxsameer about pinning |
| 12:30.17 | orflon | ok mate thanks |
| 12:30.24 | orflon | erm no |
| 12:30.51 | orflon | well same. |
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| 12:34.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.13 | wols_ | ldAQ5GB |
| 12:35.13 | orflon | hm? |
| 12:35.21 | wols_ | sorry. bad bad mispaste |
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| 12:58.36 | fruitwerks | should emy /etc/apache2/httpd.conf be blank? |
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| 12:59.07 | wols_ | fruitwerks: why didn't you read the comments inside that file |
| 12:59.27 | babilen | fruitwerks: It should not be blank, but contain a couple of comments |
| 12:59.38 | fruitwerks | it is totally blank |
| 12:59.47 | babilen | fruitwerks: Along the lines of: "This file is provided for ..." |
| 12:59.53 | Guest34521 | how can i remove all automatically installed packages which are no longer depended on, but might still be recommended? |
| 13:00.39 | babilen | fruitwerks: It's probably OK, but might be a symptom of a bigger problem. You could reinstall the configuration files shipped with apache by following /msg dpkg confmiss for the apache2-common package |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | Guest34521: I don't know, but you might be able to come up with a search pattern for these packages. Check http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 13:02.10 | fruitwerks | ouch.. a bit late for that.. I'm not worried though, everything looks fine except my mod-rewrite appears to be ingnored |
| 13:02.17 | positron_ | Guest34521: apt-get autoremove maybe. |
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| 13:03.12 | Guest34521 | positron_: yeah, thats the thing, most tools seem to consider a recommendation as a dependency, which i dont want |
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| 13:03.46 | Guest34521 | positron_: but i think i just found the answer: turn off Aptitude::Keep-Recommends. hope it works. |
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| 13:23.10 | wols_ | Balbot3: do you have a debian related question Balbot3? |
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| 13:40.03 | autistic | I want to search aptitude search svn server (where the query is svn AND server as opposed to svn OR server which seems to be default) |
| 13:40.06 | autistic | is there a way? |
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| 13:46.45 | babilen | autistic: Sure: aptitude search ~nsvn~nserver |
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| 13:47.53 | babilen | autistic: That will search in the package names and result in 0 hits. If you want to search the descriptions as well use ~d - http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 13:51.24 | autistic | Can't find any server package for subversion. Which package does the work? |
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| 13:53.37 | nsadmin | google for: debian server svn |
| 13:53.41 | nsadmin | first link |
| 13:53.54 | babilen | ,info subversion |
| 13:53.55 | judd | subversion (devel, optional): Advanced version control system. Version: 1.5.1dfsg1-4; Size: 1240.8k; Installed: 4100k; Homepage: http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 13:55.23 | Ergo^ | subversion.... |
| 13:55.25 | Ergo^ | pukes |
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| 14:05.22 | nsadmin | r000t: there's a small chance the channel is configured to not let root logins speak here (you can easily undo this by coming in as a nonroot user) |
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| 14:06.08 | k\t | does anyone have know of an concise howto/guide for building a debian kernel that is relatively new and accurate.... |
| 14:06.40 | k\t | actually, for building a kernel from scratch... in my case.. 2.6.34-rc3 |
| 14:07.05 | nsadmin | !kp mantra |
| 14:07.06 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
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| 14:08.08 | nsadmin | having said that... why so new? |
| 14:08.32 | k\t | i'm having a really hard time upgrading... |
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| 14:08.42 | nsadmin | no available debian kernel image works? |
| 14:08.55 | nsadmin | upgrading what? from what? to what? |
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| 14:10.10 | k\t | pratically, i copies my kernel from 2.6.30 (which i use now) to a newer source, build 2.6.33.. problem is when i start installing modules -- i'm getting errors about kernel versioning being undefined.. with 2.6.32 -- fglrx installs but there is some problem with it (really hug lag) but it has hardware acceleration... |
| 14:10.26 | k\t | yes, all debian kernels work for my system... |
| 14:10.43 | nsadmin | ok, why change? |
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| 14:11.27 | nsadmin | any available kernels work with fglrx? |
| 14:12.00 | k\t | and there's something wrong with my gpu, with radeon driver, my screen connected to it shuts off after time, and i became aware of the culprit by setting igfx (gpu card) as the primary screen, and even during boot, before, or moments after, my screen will just blank to (no signal) |
| 14:12.16 | k\t | i feel that i'm in a desperate need to upgrade.... |
| 14:12.31 | k\t | yes, the kernel i'm on now... |
| 14:12.40 | nsadmin | so, the problem is? fglrx doesn't work with your present kernel? |
| 14:12.45 | k\t | 2.6.30 is working with fglrx... |
| 14:12.50 | meekatron | i have reinstalled debian thinking my password or username was incorrectly entered.. it seems not, i am still getting the incorrect username or pass. can any one help me with this problem |
| 14:12.53 | nsadmin | is -working-. |
| 14:13.00 | nsadmin | ok, what is not working? |
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| 14:14.21 | k\t | all kernel's _work_ i'm just having trouble configuring modules when it comes to a custom kernel... e.g. some naming convention in custom kernels, and debian official 2.6.32 having strange effects with the fglrx driver... |
| 14:14.37 | k\t | conventions* |
| 14:15.08 | k\t | crap i gtg to work... thanks nsadmin: maybe i'll touch up with you later... |
| 14:15.27 | nsadmin | you should stick with .30 from debian |
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| 14:15.59 | nsadmin | so far there's no reason to upgrade |
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| 14:17.03 | babilen | !tell meekatron -about forgot root pwd |
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| 14:17.23 | babilen | meekatron: Didn't we cover that already? |
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| 14:18.51 | meekatron | babilen, i wasnt keepin track of the chat room sorry people i see the message from dpkg giving it a go now |
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| 14:28.45 | meekatron | ok i get as far as adding init=/bin/sh in grub but how do i save this file |
| 14:29.26 | babilen | meekatron: Save which file? |
| 14:29.29 | wols_ | meekatron: save what file? |
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| 14:30.01 | wols_ | meekatron: there is nothing to safe. you press "e" in grub and edit your in memory grub config for this one boot |
| 14:30.17 | pyqwer | Hi, I have Debian Lenny installed here and would like to install a specific package from squeeze (or sid) - any clue how to do that? |
| 14:30.32 | meekatron | oh i see so simply add this then ctrl-x |
| 14:30.50 | wols_ | you boot a debian which only runs /bin/sh and nothing else. the rest of the commands make your mount your /, change your password and reboot again. next boot, debian will boot normally |
| 14:30.57 | wols_ | !tell pyqwer about ssb |
| 14:31.09 | babilen | meekatron: Where are you adding this? You should boot and edit the grub command .. |
| 14:31.54 | meekatron | wols_, ok so delete everything else and just leave one line init=/bin/sh |
| 14:31.59 | wols_ | no |
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| 14:32.21 | wols_ | meekatron: you see the grub menu where you can choose your kernel. there press "e" |
| 14:32.24 | meekatron | babilen, yeah im in the grub boot loader part |
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| 14:32.56 | babilen | ... and add 'init=/bin/sh' *to the end of it* |
| 14:33.32 | meekatron | okey dokey.. sorry to sound such a dumb ass,, bad hangover today |
| 14:33.43 | wols_ | the full line is something like "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18 root=/dev/hda1 ro" and there you add "init=/bin/sh" at the end. leave the rest of the line the same |
| 14:34.14 | babilen | meekatron: No problem - Hope you get well soon :) |
| 14:34.17 | wols_ | meekatron: what happens is, it will boot debian but instead of running /sbin/init, you get a shell |
| 14:35.35 | meekatron | ok so i must of messed up somwhere ther got a login window... 2nd go |
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| 14:40.23 | pyqwer | wols_: Thanks for help, however, "apt-get build-dep ipsec-tools" fails. (Error Message is in german, unfortunately), but roughly translated it says "Build-Depends-Dependency for ipsec-tools cannot be done, as no version for package debhelper fulfills the version requirement). Any clue? |
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| 14:41.44 | babilen | !tell pyqwer -about localized errors |
| 14:41.50 | wols_ | pyqwer: LANG=C <apt-get build-dep" command |
| 14:41.53 | wols_ | and: i'm german too |
| 14:42.04 | wols_ | ,versions debhelper |
| 14:42.06 | judd | debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42; etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2; lenny: 7.0.15; lenny-backports: 7.4.11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 7.4.15; sid: 7.4.17 |
| 14:42.10 | babilen | pyqwer: Paste your command and the complete output or just paste the German output as wols_ and me are German :) |
| 14:42.23 | pyqwer | et: Build-Depends-Abhängigkeit für ipsec-tools kann nicht erfüllt werden, da keine verfügbare Version von Paket debhelper die Versionsanforderungen erfüllen kann. |
| 14:42.25 | pyqwer | Thanks! |
| 14:42.37 | wols_ | pyqwer: FULL output. to a PASTEBIN |
| 14:43.18 | pyqwer | There's no more to this command. Only something like "Lese Status-Information" and so on, which is probably not interesting. |
| 14:43.30 | wols_ | there is. FULL output. ALL of it |
| 14:43.59 | nsadmin | pyqwer: LANG=C apt-get build-dep ipsec-tools |
| 14:44.20 | wols_ | !pastebin |
| 14:44.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 14:44.22 | nsadmin | don't forget the LANG=C part |
| 14:44.28 | pyqwer | http://pastebin.org/144358 |
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| 14:44.56 | babilen | Build-Depends: debhelper (>=7.0.50~) |
| 14:45.13 | meekatron | ok i am finally in a shell i have tried "mount -o remount,rw /" dthen passwrd root but that didnt seem to do anything? |
| 14:45.14 | babilen | pyqwer: Could you also paste "apt-cache policy debhelper" please? |
| 14:45.15 | wols_ | so get debhelper from backports |
| 14:45.32 | wols_ | meekatron: what does "mount" say? |
| 14:45.44 | wols_ | and you need to type "passwd root". no "r" |
| 14:45.47 | pyqwer | http://pastebin.org/144359 |
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| 14:46.22 | babilen | pyqwer: Yeah install debhelper from backports - /msg dpkg bpo - aptitude install -t lenny-backports debhelper |
| 14:47.04 | meekatron | wols_, quite a lot.. starts with /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw) |
| 14:47.29 | wols_ | meekatron: good. so / is writable. what is the output of "passwd root" then? |
| 14:47.48 | meekatron | passwd root is zero output |
| 14:48.33 | fruitwerks | is there a debian vserver channel? |
| 14:48.44 | pyqwer | babilen: Sorry, how exactly would I do that? "dpkg bpo - aptitude install -t lenny-backports debhelper" does not work. |
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| 14:49.05 | pyqwer | (Thanks for your patience, btw.) |
| 14:49.13 | babilen | pyqwer: /msg dpkg bpo â type that in your irc client |
| 14:49.31 | pyqwer | babilen: Ah, o.k. ;-) |
| 14:49.54 | babilen | pyqwer: Then follow the instructions from dpkg and after you have done that install debhelper from backports with aptitude install -t lenny-backports debhelper (not in your IRC client) ;) |
| 14:50.27 | babilen | fruitwerks: I am not aware of one |
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| 14:51.06 | fruitwerks | babilen - where should I go to ask about kernels and patching then? |
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| 14:51.56 | babilen | fruitwerks: Ask here, try the debian-user mailing list. If you need special support we will let you know where else you can go |
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| 14:52.50 | pyqwer | Hmmm, now it complains about some missing GPG key: http://pastebin.org/144366 |
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| 14:53.53 | fruitwerks | ok well, looking at the versions and the patches - I don't know what one I need. This hardware is fairly new and I tried three of the pre-packaged kernels and non of them booted. I also need bnx2 nic support |
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| 14:55.21 | babilen | pyqwer: Read the instructions on backports.org - you have to install debian-backports-keyring |
| 14:55.40 | pyqwer | babilen: Found it, thanks. |
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| 14:55.58 | babilen | pyqwer: Also read the part on automatic updates |
| 14:56.42 | wols_ | fruitwerks: what was the latest kernel your tried? ie highest version number |
| 14:58.20 | fruitwerks | 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 or maybe even higher |
| 14:58.31 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 14:58.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:58.48 | babilen | fruitwerks: Have you tried the backported one? |
| 14:59.03 | fruitwerks | yes I have tried backports |
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| 14:59.13 | babilen | What is the error you are getting? |
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| 14:59.53 | fruitwerks | anyway I can go with a 2.6.3 something and patch it with the vserver patches, but I don't know what patches work for what kernels |
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| 15:01.00 | fruitwerks | babilen - the datacenter said they froze, or paniced ... and they said they were not going to boot... they are pretty smart over there |
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| 15:01.34 | babilen | alright .. hang on |
| 15:01.35 | fruitwerks | I had to manually compile this kernel, but I need vserver patches |
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| 15:02.13 | meekatron | ok i was readin somwhere if i take out the "*" in the shadow file will my system boot with no root password i have noticed my username is not in this file either should it? |
| 15:02.17 | wertwertgfhjrer | what files contain the selectable window or desktop managers during login? |
| 15:02.23 | babilen | ,version linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 15:02.23 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 15:02.26 | Balbot2 | Linux ist genial. |
| 15:02.30 | babilen | ,versions linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 15:02.30 | judd | linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25 |
| 15:02.33 | Balbot2 | Linux ist genial. |
| 15:02.36 | Balbot2 | Linux ist genial. |
| 15:02.41 | fruitwerks | linux-2.6.32-vserver-2.3.0.36.28 is what I was running on gentoo |
| 15:02.48 | babilen | fruitwerks: Have you tried the -vserver- kernel from backports? |
| 15:03.09 | pyqwer | Ok, thanks to your help I managed to install all required build dependencies. But I don't know how to build: http://pastebin.org/144370 |
| 15:03.14 | fruitwerks | yes, none of the precompiled kernels work for this hardware |
| 15:03.30 | babilen | pyqwer: apt-get *source* -b .... ;-) |
| 15:04.01 | fruitwerks | that kernel will boot this Debian install, but no modules dir, and it has Gentoo patches, so not a good idea |
| 15:04.03 | pyqwer | babilen: Way better :-) |
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| 15:05.30 | babilen | fruitwerks: You are sure that this is not due to missing bnx2 firmware? The kernel version you used on gentoo and the one provided by backports is the same. |
| 15:06.21 | babilen | fruitwerks: What did you change to get the kernel booting? What needs to be changed? |
| 15:06.48 | fruitwerks | I just only compile it for this hardware, no modules |
| 15:07.21 | pyqwer | babilen: Am I right that this package I just built is then compatible with any lenny system, e.g. is in fact a "backport"? |
| 15:07.28 | babilen | fruitwerks: Ok, what are you missing? What do you change (apart from modules vs compiled in) to get it working? |
| 15:07.37 | babilen | pyqwer: exactly |
| 15:07.44 | pyqwer | babilen: Wow, that's great! |
| 15:08.05 | fruitwerks | babilen, I don't know what you mean by change... I downloaded the kernel source and manually configured it |
| 15:08.09 | babilen | pyqwer: Well, architecture dependend |
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| 15:08.39 | babilen | fruitwerks: Yes - I ask you where *your* manual configuration differs from the one provided by debian |
| 15:09.06 | fruitwerks | ahh, there I have no idea, want to see my .config? |
| 15:09.28 | babilen | just diff your config vs the -vserver- config from backports |
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| 15:11.18 | fruitwerks | alright.. how do I get the source for linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4 without installing it? |
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| 15:11.52 | AimHere | apt-get source <whatever>. aptitude probably does it too |
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| 15:12.05 | fruitwerks | or whatever the newest kernel is for amd64 vserver |
| 15:12.20 | AimHere | Actually for the kernels, there might be seperate packages for the sources and headers. |
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| 15:13.34 | babilen | fruitwerks: Just unpack the .deb (dpkg -x in an empty dir) and check ./boot/config-.... |
| 15:14.05 | fruitwerks | ok does this look new enough? linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-vserver-amd64 |
| 15:14.23 | babilen | I still find it suprising that the bpo -vserver- kernel is not working for you :-\ |
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| 15:15.36 | ScottG489 | Hey I am getting this error when I run aptitude update |
| 15:15.37 | ScottG489 | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 15:15.37 | fruitwerks | I don't know what model the server is, but I had never even heard of the cpu model or the Intel Ibex Peak set |
| 15:15.37 | ScottG489 | Then after the error message it actually sasy to run an update |
| 15:16.14 | babilen | fruitwerks: Yeah, that is the newest. Didn't you already install that one? |
| 15:16.55 | fruitwerks | yeah yesterday |
| 15:17.04 | fruitwerks | err.. two nights ago |
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| 15:19.07 | fruitwerks | ok I did apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-vserver-amd64 |
| 15:19.33 | User_007 | Hello guys, does anyone know what is loaded after gdm login? |
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| 15:20.12 | fruitwerks | from /tmp - then cd linux-2.6-2.6.26 and did a make menuconfig.. and the config is exactly what I already have, did it pull it from /proc/config.gz or something? |
| 15:20.48 | wols_ | in your linux source directory, there is a .config |
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| 15:21.14 | wols_ | and a debian kernel source better have a debian kernel source configuration for the kernel |
| 15:21.14 | babilen | fruitwerks: I asked you download the .deb and unpack it and compare your 2.6.*32* config (which works) against the one that is shipped in ./boot/config-yadda ... |
| 15:21.31 | fruitwerks | yeah in my /usr/src/foo, but not in this /tmp dir |
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| 15:21.42 | ScottG489 | Could someone tell me why I am getting that error about the gpg key? |
| 15:21.51 | babilen | User_007: Some Xsession script - which depends on the WM/DE you start |
| 15:21.57 | wols_ | ScottG489: cause this gpg key doesn't exist |
| 15:22.09 | ScottG489 | I don't understand why the error message is telling me to run the exact command that I am running |
| 15:22.13 | pyqwer | Ok, thanks to all ipsec is working now. In fact, ipsec-tools 0.7.1 seem to be buggy - any clue how to make this public, so that (perhaps) lenny gets a fix? |
| 15:22.19 | wols_ | ScottG489: but this it not really an error in the end, but only a warning. hoever, the more important question is: why do you run etch? |
| 15:22.28 | ScottG489 | wols_: I Googled the error and I ran these two commands |
| 15:22.29 | wols_ | !tell pyqwer about bts |
| 15:22.39 | ScottG489 | wols_: Wait, what is etch |
| 15:22.39 | fruitwerks | brb.. |
| 15:22.46 | wols_ | !etch |
| 15:22.46 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 15:22.53 | User_007 | babilen, is there a way to put it to load during boot? |
| 15:22.59 | babilen | User_007: btw - your cloak does not work |
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| 15:23.22 | wols_ | ScottG489: etch, aka debian 4.0 is NOT supported anymore and has many security holes by now. please upgrade to current debian stable 5.0.4 |
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| 15:23.51 | User_007 | wait a sec babilen |
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| 15:24.00 | User_007 | done |
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| 15:24.07 | ScottG489 | wols_: Alright, I am on a computer that I haven't used in a while. Should I run `aptitude upgrade` ? |
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| 15:24.23 | wols_ | User_007: your cloak doesn't work properly since you misconfigured your irc client. auth to nickserv, wait a second, THEN join a channel |
| 15:24.37 | wols_ | ScottG489: no. /msg dpkg etch->lenny instead |
| 15:24.41 | User_007 | i will try it... |
| 15:24.56 | ScottG489 | wols_: Alright |
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| 15:26.35 | meekatron | ok i give up my head hurts.. be back later to give this another go ..... |
| 15:26.47 | babilen | User_007: I guess you could do something like cat /usr/bin/metacity > /dev/null or whatever ... but *why* do you care?? Hibernate/Suspend your computer and you boot like 10 times a year .. |
| 15:27.23 | wols_ | gdm can autologin a user, or you can start an X session via /etc/rc.local I guess |
| 15:28.18 | babilen | User_007: Switched to dash yet? |
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| 15:28.44 | User_007 | yeap. |
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| 15:29.48 | babilen | User_007: Well, i guess you have covered most of what i can think of. You might want to concentrate on something else now. I get tired with it |
| 15:30.12 | wols_ | babilen: need a pillow? someone to tuck you in? a goodnight tale? |
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| 15:35.06 | babilen | wols_: :-D |
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| 15:37.46 | yuger | hi , i m try to setup bluetooth on debian , today i installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome on it ,and hcitool isn't working now , it was working yesterday (before installing bluez- ) |
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| 15:45.25 | Mowee | adieu |
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| 15:54.23 | autistic | everytime i log into gnome, I do: xmodmap keymaps, how can I automate this? |
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| 16:00.43 | fruitwerks | attempts a kernel using his well-known Gentoo methods |
| 16:01.32 | jelly-hme | fruitwerks: kernel is not a verb. |
| 16:01.33 | pallgone | autistic: try .xsessionrc, not sure if it is used on gnome, but be warned... xmodmap doesn't work too well with newer Xorg versions |
| 16:01.46 | jelly-hme | nor an action! |
| 16:01.49 | Azeotrope | Any suggestions regarding what security measures should I apply to a hostapd AP? only one machine will connect to this AP |
| 16:02.07 | meekatron | ok im back again.. this is driving me nuts.. an example line from /etc/shadow looks like "bin:*:14709:0:99999:7:::" |
| 16:02.40 | meekatron | should the field with the "*" not have an encrypted password in it? |
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| 16:02.44 | fruitwerks | attempts building a kernel using his well-known Gentoo methods |
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| 16:04.16 | dinya | hello all. how to get event for headphones connection? and then run sript? |
| 16:04.52 | fruitwerks | what does dmesg do when you plug in headphones? |
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| 16:06.43 | Zoup | im looking for a way to make a directory to be accessible via special block device which is pointing to the directory, any idea? |
| 16:06.51 | jhutchins_lt | meekatron: The shadow system is pretty well documented. man shadow is a good place to start. |
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| 16:07.27 | dinya | fruitwerks, nothing |
| 16:07.34 | dinya | no changes |
| 16:07.48 | dinya | maybe it's hp-notebook bug :( |
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| 16:08.41 | fruitwerks | dinya - using dbus, check /var/log/* something for the event if you can't see anything being triggered anywhere, it might just be handled internally by the laptop hardware |
| 16:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | meekatron: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 16:09.20 | fruitwerks | if you can find the event trigger somewhere, we can go from there |
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| 16:10.59 | dinya | fruitwerks, tnx, i will try :) |
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| 16:11.43 | meekatron | jhutchins_lt, thanks i think by the time i get my system to log in i will be a expert sys admin.. well its good rvision for my linux+ course im currently doin |
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| 16:12.05 | fruitwerks | what do you want to happen when you plugin headphones anyway? |
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| 16:13.18 | dinya | fruitwerks, launch sript, nothing else :) |
| 16:13.22 | dinya | fruitwerks, Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 16:13.47 | fruitwerks | looks like lspci to me |
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| 16:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | meekatron: You have to work pretty hard for a Debian install not to just work when completed. |
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| 16:17.36 | Sandra_ | hello everyone. I am setting up kvm to run some vm's and I have it all working but having some network issues i cant seem to rtfm about anywhere. i want to do a xen style bridge where the vm's are on my local network on eth0 (192.168.0.0) but it is giving me an ip of 10.x.x.x |
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| 16:18.03 | honschu | how to remove a applied patch? |
| 16:18.18 | Sandra_ | would anyone happen to know of an updated tutorial anywhere? i am new to bridging and rather new to networking, thanks big time for any help. |
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| 16:18.42 | meekatron | jhutchins_lt, this is my 3rd attempt at gettin this going.. ive crunchbang on my eeepc, i got arch workin perffect last week on my desktop but for some unkown reason debian just wont let me log in |
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| 16:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | meekatron: Try setting the root password in single user mode. |
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| 16:20.37 | meekatron | passwd seems to have no effect |
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| 16:22.49 | wols_ | meekatron: run /sbin/passwd |
| 16:22.59 | wols_ | and if it doesn't do anything md6sum it or strace it |
| 16:24.17 | scratchme | Is there a better way to manage RAID 10 when you have two or more controllers? |
| 16:24.32 | jarick | wols_: Does singleuser mode not mount / ro? |
| 16:24.40 | Sandra_ | is there a way for a non networking guru to just set kvm to have the new machines on a bridged network on eth0 instead of on an internal bridge? |
| 16:24.50 | scratchme | Significance being balancing traffic so one bus doesn't get over saturated. |
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| 16:25.17 | wols_ | jarick: if it doesn't, how init run? |
| 16:25.30 | scratchme | Sandra_: what management tool are you using? Just the command line? |
| 16:25.53 | wols_ | *how does |
| 16:26.01 | jarick | wols_: I'm implying that /etc/passwd may be readonly. |
| 16:26.13 | wols_ | even when you simply do init=bin/sh, / is mounted |
| 16:26.31 | Sandra_ | scratchme: yes |
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| 16:26.43 | wols_ | that's why he remounted / and why dpkg tells you to do that in the "forgot root password" factoid |
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| 16:26.56 | jarick | wols_: Oh, he did. Misread. Sorry |
| 16:27.04 | scratchme | Sandra_: if you're using the command line only, you'll need to create a bridged network adapter, then point your VMs at that interface. |
| 16:29.12 | scratchme | Sandra_: if you want something easier, take a look at proxmox ve. It is a slightly modified debian distro which comes with a web ui. The default install takes the entire disk, partitions it, and also does the bridged network for you. When creating VMs, you just select the bridged network if it's not already selected. |
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| 16:30.24 | scratchme | But, basically each VM would have a virtual interface. Then, those interfaces, along with your real hardware nic get bridged together. |
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| 16:30.57 | scratchme | Your Debian box will act like a switch connecting all those devices together as though they were all plugged into a switch. |
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| 16:38.39 | soc1 | hi |
| 16:38.41 | soc1 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/merkaartor |
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| 16:39.42 | soc1 | is this a bug that the binary package is almost twice as big as the others? |
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| 16:43.13 | xok | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.59 | Sandra_ | scratchme: thanks, trying to stay with a stock debian since where i get a free box at insist debian or nothing at all :) |
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| 16:44.23 | wols_ | soc1: as what others? |
| 16:44.36 | wols_ | soc1: are you really running ia64? |
| 16:44.39 | xok | I've got serious problem... |
| 16:44.39 | soc1 | wols_: as the other's installed size |
| 16:44.47 | soc1 | wols_: no, i just saw it and wondered |
| 16:45.19 | soc1 | all other packages have an installed size between 5mb and 7mb, ia64 has more than 10mb |
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| 16:49.33 | xok | can anyone please help?... |
| 16:49.36 | xok | thanks in advance |
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| 16:50.12 | jelly-hme | !tell xok about ask |
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| 16:50.53 | xok | jelly-hme: I can't "fsck" the filesystem... |
| 16:50.53 | pinoyoragon | Hi. What might be the reason why shadow info from my server doesnt show when i invoke "getent shadow", but "getent passwd" shows the /etc/passwd of my server. |
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| 16:51.13 | jelly-hme | pinoyoragon: are you root? |
| 16:51.31 | xok | jelly-hme: one of the errors is: "get root inode failed" |
| 16:52.07 | xok | jelly-hme: and the other one: "root inode is not a directory"... |
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| 16:52.26 | jelly-hme | xok: please provide complete outputs and some context. Use a pastebin for more than 2-3 lines of text |
| 16:52.43 | jelly-hme | xok: which filesystem type are you using? |
| 16:53.02 | xok | jelly-hme: I can't 'cause it's in the other server, that can't even boot... |
| 16:53.11 | xok | jelly-hme: ext3... |
| 16:53.35 | xok | I get things like: Resolving âRoot inode is not a directory. Clear?â |
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| 16:54.06 | xok | and can't check the file system... |
| 16:54.26 | jelly-hme | xok: that is an unusual message. Instead of ruining the metdata with fsck even more, I suggest making an block-level copy of the partition first, and using a second copy to inspect the filesystem. |
| 16:54.27 | gador|aw | [18:41] <gador> http://www.perspektywy.pl/konkursy/galaktyka/planeta.php?numerPlanety=2 |
| 16:54.27 | gador|aw | [18:42] <gador> 4 from the left on top |
| 16:54.27 | gador|aw | [18:42] <gador> dobr |
| 16:54.27 | gador|aw | [18:42] <gador> click 'popieram' |
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| 16:54.33 | pinoyoragon | jelly-hme: what do u mean, when i invoke getent? |
| 16:54.42 | jelly-hme | pinoyoragon: yes. |
| 16:54.59 | pinoyoragon | jelly-hme: nope... i'll try sudo |
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| 16:55.15 | xok | jelly-hme: I've cloned the entire hard drive with: "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb"... |
| 16:55.24 | jelly-hme | pinoyoragon: then it works as expected. |
| 16:55.26 | yuger | hi , i m try to setup bluetooth on debian , today i installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome on it ,and hcitool isn't working now , it was working yesterday (before installing bluez- ) |
| 16:55.29 | androm | Q: is there a decent replacement for SQLyog on linux? |
| 16:55.30 | xok | I've got the second one where we can do some stuff... |
| 16:55.42 | xok | jelly-hme: what can you suggest?... |
| 16:56.55 | pinoyoragon | jelly-hme: it still shows my local shadow, its suppose to show the shadow file of my ldap server |
| 16:57.27 | xok | jelly-hme: anything please?... I'm in a serious problem... |
| 16:57.31 | jelly-hme | xok: there's a #linuxfs channel on irc.oftc.net, someone might be awake at the moment. Else ask in ext3-users mailing list. |
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| 16:59.32 | jelly-hme | pinoyoragon: and nsswitch.conf is configured to look in ldap first? |
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| 17:00.57 | pinoyoragon | jelly-hme: ahhh so it should be "ldap files" and not "files ldap"? |
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| 17:02.23 | scratchme | Is there a better way to manage RAID 10 when you have two or more controllers? |
| 17:02.27 | scratchme | Significance being balancing traffic so one bus doesn't get over saturated. |
| 17:02.45 | pipeline | No. |
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| 17:03.12 | scratchme | So the only option is to manually do a nested RAID? RAID 1 at the bottom manually across buses, and then RAID 0 above that? |
| 17:04.08 | jelly-hme | pinoyoragon: I'm not sure that's the smartest thing to do. Does getent shadow user-only-in-ldap work? |
| 17:04.14 | pipeline | scratchme: think about this for a second |
| 17:04.31 | pipeline | scratchme: RAID-10 is just RAID-10. If you don't spread data evenly across the volume, obviously some disks will be used more than others. |
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| 17:05.13 | scratchme | Not really. If your stripe size is 64KB (default), it'll pretty much be spread around. |
| 17:05.55 | pipeline | scratchme: there's your answer then. What else would you expect to be able to do ? |
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| 17:06.07 | scratchme | I'm not worried about the stripe data. |
| 17:06.13 | scratchme | I'm worried about the mirror data. |
| 17:06.33 | pipeline | also what kind of wild fucking controllers do you have |
| 17:06.38 | pipeline | that you're even concerned about saturating the bus |
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| 17:06.59 | wols_ | maybe PCI bus controllers :) |
| 17:07.11 | pipeline | that's so fundamentally misguided you should stop now ;) |
| 17:07.20 | pipeline | seriously though 133 MHz PCI-X and PCI-E 4x have so much bandwidth |
| 17:07.24 | pipeline | you're just not going to saturate the bus |
| 17:07.27 | pipeline | ain't gonna happen |
| 17:07.30 | scratchme | If you have say 4 disks, 2 on Controller A and 2 on Controller B. Then you access a stripe on your RAID 10. If your mirror is both on one side of the bus, all your writes happen double on the same bus. |
| 17:07.33 | pinoyoragon | jelly-hme: nope, but i think i have to check my cn=config at my ldap server |
| 17:07.34 | wols_ | pipeline: SSDs? |
| 17:07.48 | scratchme | pipeline: I've got 2x 14 drive FC drawers connected to this box. |
| 17:07.51 | pipeline | wols_: laughable |
| 17:08.09 | pipeline | scratchme: seven drives per bus. You're not going to saturate the bus. |
| 17:08.15 | wols_ | what's the raw PCi-E 1x speed again? |
| 17:08.18 | scratchme | pipeline: I've got two fiberchannel controllers, one controller per 14 drives. |
| 17:08.28 | scratchme | pipeline: 28 total drives |
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| 17:08.35 | scratchme | pipeline: 15k rpm drives |
| 17:08.37 | pipeline | scratchme: you're still very unlikely to saturate the bus. |
| 17:08.52 | scratchme | pipeline: FC bus is limited by the SFPs, which are 2Gbps. |
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| 17:08.53 | pipeline | scratchme: if you were writing in big blocks and straight lines for best-case I/O you're just barely going to kiss the limit |
| 17:09.04 | pipeline | scratchme: haha yeah this is a total non-issue |
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| 17:09.23 | scratchme | pipeline: Actually, it's not. I've done a fair amount of testing for about a week. |
| 17:09.48 | wols_ | PCI-E 2.0 has 4Gb/s |
| 17:09.50 | pipeline | scratchme: PCI-X 133/64 is like, 1 GB per second. As in, 4x the max throughput of your FC interface. How the hell are you killing the bus ? |
| 17:10.04 | pipeline | in other words how shitty are your controllers |
| 17:10.24 | scratchme | When you have 14 drives competing for 250MB/sec max bus bandwidth, then with overhead you end up with anywhere from 160-200MB/sec max bandwidth. Divided over 14 drives that's about 10-15MB/sec per drive. |
| 17:10.35 | pipeline | scratchme: how is your bus that slow |
| 17:10.39 | pipeline | scratchme: buy a new server |
| 17:10.50 | scratchme | pipeline: I just said FC 2Gbps is what they're connected by. |
| 17:10.59 | pipeline | my desktop PC is like four years old and has a lot more than 250 MB/s bus bandwidth |
| 17:11.12 | pipeline | you are simply wasting money on storage if you're stuck on a 64/33 bus. |
| 17:11.17 | pipeline | buy a PC newer than 2001 |
| 17:11.24 | jelly-hme | scratchme: why are all the drives one the same loop |
| 17:11.46 | scratchme | jelly-hme: I have two loops. I'm trying to make a software raid that uses both loops evenly for mirrored writes. |
| 17:11.50 | pipeline | haha wait 14 drive fecal ? |
| 17:11.58 | scratchme | jelly-hme: another benefit would be if one drawer went offline, the raid would still work. |
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| 17:12.01 | yuger | i m trying to setup bluetooh on a debian but when i do "hcitool scan" it says hcitool not found , hcitool was working some time ago , any idea ( sorry for english ) |
| 17:12.05 | pipeline | scratchme: couldn't you just have RAID-1 over two RAID-0 volumes ? |
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| 17:12.18 | pipeline | scratchme: it would suck for resiliance but it would solve the balanced writes problem :P |
| 17:12.20 | jelly-hme | scratchme: ok, so you're making a storage appliance of a sort |
| 17:12.25 | scratchme | pipeline: You can, but if you drop a single drive, an entire drawer worth of drives goes offline. |
| 17:12.29 | wols_ | !tell yuger about errors |
| 17:12.29 | pipeline | scratchme: yup |
| 17:12.40 | scratchme | jelly-hme: Exactly. |
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| 17:12.52 | pipeline | scratchme: alternatively: do all the RAID-1 in software |
| 17:13.04 | pipeline | scratchme: then you could put one side of each pair on different busses. But |
| 17:13.06 | scratchme | pipeline: This is all in software. The drawers are headless. |
| 17:13.15 | pipeline | you didn't say your controllers were |
| 17:13.25 | scratchme | My controllers are directly on the Linux box. |
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| 17:13.33 | pipeline | yes but the controllers aren't necessarily stupid |
| 17:13.41 | pipeline | FC-AL doesn't lend itself to dumb HBAs |
| 17:13.46 | pipeline | because normal people don't buy FC to do software RAID :) |
| 17:14.02 | jelly-hme | pipeline: he just said he was making a storage box. |
| 17:14.14 | scratchme | Well, I got 7x 2Gbps single port QLogic QLA 2200 series controllers for $45 used, so I'm guessing there's not that much going on in there, besides being a scsi controller. |
| 17:14.27 | pipeline | no qla2200 is iirc pretty dumb |
| 17:14.37 | pipeline | but you would normally use those to talk to smart targets |
| 17:14.38 | ntsasng | LAMPP and XAMPP, what is good? |
| 17:15.05 | scratchme | pipeline: Right, but rather than spend money on a head, I'm seeing if I can use the drawers directly, and balance out the bus usage as much as possible. |
| 17:15.06 | ntsasng | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.14 | wols_ | ntsasng: we don't support xampp. /msg dpkg lamp |
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| 17:15.39 | scratchme | pipeline: If I had a FC switch, I could use trunking to handle this, which I might end up doing anyway. |
| 17:15.57 | pipeline | scratchme: so |
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| 17:16.00 | pipeline | scratchme: do you have an actual hub ? |
| 17:16.07 | scratchme | No, these are direct attach. |
| 17:16.09 | pipeline | scratchme: because with no switch and no hub, your FCAL will die when one drive goes offline |
| 17:16.17 | pipeline | scratchme: there's a reason people pronounce it "fecal" |
| 17:16.22 | pipeline | scratchme: it's like SCSI but worse |
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| 17:16.45 | scratchme | pipeline: Well, if each half of the RAID 10 mirror is split across the drawers, it'll still work when one drawer goes offline. |
| 17:17.00 | scratchme | It'll just have to resync when it comes back up. |
| 17:17.07 | pipeline | scratchme: of course. But it eliminates the disadvantage of doing raid-1 over raid-0 instead of the other way around. |
| 17:17.30 | pipeline | scratchme: also it wouldn't surprise me if your drawers weren't 100% passive and actually were FC hubs (i.e. really dumb but able to do a star topology instead of a daisy-chain.) |
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| 17:17.43 | yuger | wols_, hcitool was working fine yesterday , but today i installed some bluetooth apps ( bluez-utils , bluez-gnome,wvdial) and when i tried hcitool command again it says "hcitool command not found" i.e hcitool isn't available |
| 17:17.54 | scratchme | Dunno, each one only has controllers for two loops. |
| 17:18.08 | yuger | i ve no idea wat happened to hcitool |
| 17:18.09 | wols_ | yuger: there is no error message in what you say |
| 17:18.25 | pipeline | scratchme: well, if you don't know, I would plan for the possibility that losing a drive means the whole loop dies |
| 17:18.33 | wols_ | !tell yuger about search |
| 17:18.40 | yuger | yess theres no error , problem is hcitool is not available |
| 17:18.41 | scratchme | Anyhow, ideally, I'd like to make it where I can turn one drawer off, then turn it back on later, and still have the software raid work. |
| 17:18.45 | pipeline | scratchme: in which case you might as well do RAID-1 across RAID-0s and make sure that mdadm's daemon e-mails your cellphone when you lose a drive ;) |
| 17:18.49 | wols_ | there you can see where hcitool is available |
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| 17:18.58 | scratchme | pipeline: oh, you mean in that sense, yes, I'm pretty sure that's the case. |
| 17:19.07 | pipeline | scratchme: also how big are these drives ? |
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| 17:19.18 | scratchme | pipeline: (meaning I'm pretty sure there's a built in hub preventing loop failure if a single drive is removed) |
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| 17:19.27 | scratchme | pipeline: I seem to remember reading that in the docs. |
| 17:19.39 | scratchme | pipeline: 73GB 15k rpm FC drives. |
| 17:19.50 | pipeline | scratchme: that's small enough that you don't really have to worry about multiple disk failure |
| 17:20.02 | scratchme | Technically, one of them is 10k rpm, but I plan to replace that drawer with another one. |
| 17:20.12 | pipeline | scratchme: with really big disks the hard error rate is the same as small disks, so the chances of a failure during rebuild are brutal. With 73G disks, ehh not so much. |
| 17:20.45 | pipeline | my current RAID array at home has about a 1% chance of total failure in the event of a lost disk... just the estimated hard error rates compounded against the time it takes to do a rebuild :( |
| 17:20.50 | scratchme | pipeline: Right. I'm not really concerned with having crazy amounts of storage, but I'd just like it to normally be fast, and survive 1-2 components failing until I can replace them. |
| 17:21.02 | scratchme | pipeline: and this is a home development system. |
| 17:21.24 | pipeline | even constrained by shitty 2G fibre channel 14x 15k disks is going to be pretty badass |
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| 17:21.37 | jelly-hme | those 15krpm disks are mighty noisy for a home |
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| 17:22.12 | scratchme | jelly-hme: I built a closet for it. I have a mini split hvac cooling the room, and it has double the sheetrock, foiled aluminum barrier, double stud insulated wall. |
| 17:22.21 | scratchme | jelly-hme: I could probably fire a gun in there, and no one would know. |
| 17:22.51 | jelly-hme | "yes sir officer, I distinctly remember when he said on irc..." |
| 17:22.55 | pipeline | scratchme: also the 2G may not actually constrain you that much.... back in the day with a 12-volume RAID-0 on U320 I couldn't even come close to killing the bus with random reads/writes. It would saturate *instantly* reading in a straight line, but you never ever do that. |
| 17:22.57 | scratchme | ;) |
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| 17:23.25 | pipeline | at any rate that sounds pretty badass and done on the cheap. I salute your weird setup. |
| 17:24.03 | scratchme | pipeline: Well, I did some testing using a single 1Gbps FC connected storage, and it was *WAY* slower than the attached U320 128MB RAID controller w/ 6x146.8 15k RPM drives in the hotswap bays. |
| 17:24.41 | pipeline | scratchme: well, duh, heh. |
| 17:24.53 | pipeline | scratchme: optical still isn't zero latency, you have to lay the bits on the pipe :P |
| 17:25.20 | scratchme | I had a database schema change script which took a long time to run. I tested that against the U320, and the FC drawer, and the FC drawer was like 2-4x slower, don't remember which. |
| 17:25.35 | pipeline | scratchme: I was just speaking to bandwidth: you will probably run out of IOPS before you run out of headroom. |
| 17:26.32 | scratchme | Since 6x RAID 5EE was outpacing 14x RAID 10, I was assuming it was the 1Gbps FC link that was the problem, since both were exported over 1Gbps ethernet iSCSI to the Oracle VM. |
| 17:26.33 | djangoblin | hi. I'm sitting in front of some minimal install of lenny. how do I find out which packages I need to install to get certain binaries installed? |
| 17:26.48 | pipeline | djangoblin: apt-cache search whatever |
| 17:27.15 | pipeline | scratchme: depends also on the pattern of writes. 128M of cache will go a long way :) |
| 17:27.18 | wols_ | djangoblin: install apt-file and use it |
| 17:27.36 | scratchme | pipeline: Is there a way to make mdadm cache more/less? |
| 17:27.39 | wols_ | djangoblin: or get some text mode browser and use packages.debian.org |
| 17:28.12 | scratchme | pipeline: I plan to keep regular backups, and I use a battery backup on all the machines, so I'm not really worried about data loss. |
| 17:28.56 | pipeline | scratchme: I think there's a tunable to disable write barriers |
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| 17:29.26 | manicman | hi |
| 17:29.35 | scratchme | I noticed the individual drives report disabled write caching when the system starts. |
| 17:29.43 | scratchme | (also visible w/ dmesg) |
| 17:29.54 | pipeline | scratchme: also, mdadm doesn't do any of its own caching. You just have the kernel's own block device work. |
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| 17:30.26 | manicman | i have a mounted crypted harddisk and i dont remember the passphrase. is there any possibility to reset the passphrase? or add a keyfile as i have mounted the crypted partition actually? |
| 17:30.29 | pipeline | scratchme: you will have to enable the write cache |
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| 17:30.53 | scratchme | pipeline: on the disks themselves, or on the kernel? |
| 17:30.56 | scratchme | (or both ? ) |
| 17:31.29 | teste_ | is there something that keeps a log of all that happens after login screen? |
| 17:31.31 | pipeline | scratchme: on the disks, enable write cache w/ hdparm or whatever the newfangled equivalent is. In the kernel, disable write barriers. I don't actually know how to do that because I have never ever ever thought I wanted to. |
| 17:31.46 | AntonB_ | Hi people! Please tell me how can I uninstall CommunigatePro on my debian etch? If it is offtopic here, then where to ask such question ? |
| 17:31.47 | djangoblin | pipeline: thx |
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| 17:31.56 | djangoblin | wols_: thx, wasn't aware of apt-file |
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| 17:33.34 | AntonB_ | nobody knows ? |
| 17:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don'g even know what a communist gate is |
| 17:34.09 | pipeline | commercial software from the dawn of time |
| 17:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for pipeline |
| 17:34.34 | AntonB_ | it is mail server with pop/smtp support |
| 17:34.54 | wols_ | AntonB_: ask the makers of communigatepro |
| 17:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and we surely don't know how it was installed and hence not how it's uninstalled |
| 17:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the installer knows that for sure |
| 17:35.46 | AntonB_ | thanks people! I see it is offtopic here :) |
| 17:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it was a "./configure;make;make install" job, the answer is "only with the greatest difficulties |
| 17:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or rather "not" |
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| 17:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, haha, no... but if you mounted it, you can tar it all off, create a new one and copy it back |
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| 17:38.43 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) yes this seems to be the last option... also google doenst know..:\ |
| 17:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, all of what you asked would rather be against the concept of an encrypted partition, no? |
| 17:39.06 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: hm.. yes you are right..:\ |
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| 17:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's btw why i don't use any encrypted partitions... |
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| 17:42.34 | PinkFreud | is there any possibility of using the 2.6.32 kernel from backports on lenny? bug 576608 claims that util-linux needs to be upgraded, but I can't install a newer package without going to squeeze, apparently (I thought the purpose of backports was to avoid having to go to testing?) |
| 17:43.18 | simonrvn | isn't there a bpo of util-linux too? |
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| 17:44.51 | PinkFreud | simonrvn: I didn't notice one. |
| 17:45.35 | PinkFreud | apt-cache showpkg util-linux only shows me 2.13.1.1-1 from lenny/main |
| 17:45.52 | simonrvn | how about policy ? |
| 17:46.03 | wols_ | ,versions util-linux |
| 17:46.04 | judd | util-linux -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1; etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1; lenny: 2.13.1.1-1; sid: 2.16.2-0; squeeze: 2.16.2-0 |
| 17:46.36 | PinkFreud | I haven't made any policy changes yet. |
| 17:46.43 | simonrvn | wols_: does judd show bpo stuff? i don't remember. |
| 17:46.50 | simonrvn | apt-cache policy |
| 17:46.54 | PinkFreud | ,versions linux-image |
| 17:46.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
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| 17:47.00 | PinkFreud | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32 |
| 17:47.01 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.32' was found. |
| 17:47.05 | wols_ | simonrvn: it does |
| 17:47.06 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 17:47.09 | PinkFreud | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-amd64 |
| 17:47.10 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:47.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-amd64' was found. |
| 17:47.20 | simonrvn | so you're right there isn't any |
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| 17:47.23 | wols_ | PinkFreud: use /msg judd versions <stuff> |
| 17:47.29 | PinkFreud | ok. |
| 17:48.02 | PinkFreud | simonrvn: backports is at 1, lenny at 500 |
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| 17:48.23 | PinkFreud | ... which should be default. This is a brand new lenny install. |
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| 17:49.17 | PinkFreud | huh. |
| 17:49.31 | PinkFreud | wols_: you sure judd shows bpo? the bot appears to be unable to find linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 |
| 17:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes he is sure |
| 17:49.48 | wols_ | PinkFreud: the bug you named isn't about backports |
| 17:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 17:49.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:50.08 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh hah. thanks. |
| 17:50.14 | wols_ | PinkFreud: have you actually tried installing the bpo kernel? |
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| 17:50.20 | PinkFreud | wols_: yeah. |
| 17:50.27 | wols_ | and the result was? |
| 17:50.51 | PinkFreud | wols_: that's how I found that bug - the same situation occurred :( |
| 17:51.09 | Pikrass | Hi everyone |
| 17:51.11 | PinkFreud | er, except the upgrade is NOT completing. |
| 17:51.46 | PinkFreud | looks like it installed linux-base. |
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| 17:52.10 | PinkFreud | Undefined subroutine &DebianKernel::DiskId::_system called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1004, <STDIN> line 10. |
| 17:52.25 | ktlr | Someone was able install udev 151-3 to debian lenny ? and if so , how did he do ? my kernel version is : Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:52.27 | PinkFreud | ahh, that was listed after the 'Invalid output format' errors. |
| 17:52.44 | wols_ | ktlr: there is no reason to install udev 151 in lenny |
| 17:53.45 | wols_ | PinkFreud: I doubt it is a bug or we'd have heard sooner of it. dependencies don't show anything about util-linux either |
| 17:54.22 | PinkFreud | actually, it is a bug. |
| 17:54.49 | PinkFreud | 576925 - apparently Ben Hutchings screwed up scoping in perl. :/ |
| 17:55.00 | PinkFreud | email is dated yesterday. |
| 17:55.40 | PinkFreud | bpo must have updated linux-base within the last few days. perfect timing. :( |
| 17:56.50 | wols_ | use an earlier .32 kernel from bpo then |
| 17:57.16 | ktlr | wols_, so then what can i do ? i want to upgrade packages, but apt write it , try apt-get -f install and i set hold libudev0 and udev with dpkg-get selections , and when i try apt-get -f install i got this error message : /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_151-3_amd64.deb |
| 17:57.16 | ktlr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:57.28 | PinkFreud | wols_: the util-linux issue is listed in 576608. Ben's email on Apr 6 indicates that they need to depend on a recent version of util-linux. |
| 17:58.01 | wols_ | PinkFreud: there were .32 backported kernels before the current one and they worked |
| 17:58.08 | PinkFreud | hmmm. good point. |
| 17:58.12 | PinkFreud | I'll try one of those. |
| 17:58.43 | wols_ | ktlr: that is not about lenny but about squeeze. what do you run? lenny or squeeze? cause if you run lenny, there is no way to see udev 151 |
| 17:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not clear in what type of malfunction 576608 results if any |
| 17:59.00 | PinkFreud | er, actually, that may not be possible |
| 17:59.10 | PinkFreud | it's linux-base which is screwing up. |
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| 17:59.19 | ktlr | wols_, i added the testing repositories to my apt sources |
| 17:59.45 | smacnay | is there a working lightning plugin for the icedove 3.0 in Deb sid? Or has it yet to be finished? |
| 17:59.45 | wols_ | doesn't matter. a week or whatever ago, the .32 kernel from bpo worked. so it stands to reason you can make it work still using older versions than the current borked one |
| 18:00.04 | wols_ | ktlr: so you don't run lenny anymore. why did you add testing? |
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| 18:02.11 | PinkFreud | ahh, interesting. bpo.3 doesn't appear to depend on the broken linux-base. |
| 18:02.18 | ktlr | wols_, because the packages what is in lenny are too old , and i use debian as desktop os |
| 18:02.29 | wols_ | !sns |
| 18:02.29 | dpkg | Shiny New Shite Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:02.58 | wols_ | ktlr: simply put: you got a nice and clear message, which should be understandable for someone who wantas to run testing what to do when you tried to upgraded |
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| 18:03.03 | PinkFreud | wols_: to be fair, lenny *is* too old to run on some systems. |
| 18:03.06 | wols_ | you ignored it and now you are in your mess |
| 18:03.19 | wols_ | PinkFreud: and that's why we have kmuto and bpo. so? |
| 18:03.26 | PinkFreud | case in point, the box I just installed it on. :( |
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| 18:03.39 | PinkFreud | wols_: true. That's why I'm currently arguing with bpo. :) |
| 18:03.51 | scratchme | ktlr: I found untangling your packages once you add testing and mess up is harder than just backing up your data and re-installing. |
| 18:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | scratchme, but it's so much more fun... |
| 18:04.15 | scratchme | ktlr: I think what you really want is backports, or to manually install one or two apps. |
| 18:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't you LIKE puzzles? |
| 18:04.37 | scratchme | CutMeOwnThroat: I like puzzles. I don't think whether your desktop works or not should be such a "puzzle". |
| 18:04.53 | PinkFreud | it's somewhat odd that installing kernel headers from bpo appears to require you obtain linux-kbuild from squeeze, though. |
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| 18:05.09 | zzz_ | Hello. I am using an up-to-date Debian Sid installation. I just installed GNOME, and the system bell does not work when the window manager is metacity. Interestingly, if I run compiz with GNOME, then the system bell works. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get system bell working without compiz? |
| 18:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | scratchme, bah, you never tried to spend a weekend with the family trying to piece it together |
| 18:05.14 | PinkFreud | in that regard, bpo isn't always a complete solution. |
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| 18:05.49 | scratchme | CutMeOwnThroat: When installing your OS, or an application successfully is occassion to cheer, you know you have deployment or workflow problems. |
| 18:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, you can backport yourself... |
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| 18:06.04 | d3x | zzz_, you might have disabled system bell in metacity |
| 18:06.10 | d3x | (if that's even possible) |
| 18:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can find a sponsor to upload it to bpo, I guess so others also profit |
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| 18:06.16 | ktlr | scratchme, what is the difference beetween testing or backports packages ? |
| 18:06.32 | PinkFreud | # apt-get -t lenny-backports install PinkFreud |
| 18:06.35 | PinkFreud | E: Couldn't find package PinkFreud |
| 18:06.39 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I can't. |
| 18:06.39 | scratchme | ktlr: testing = latest. Backports = best effort to make it actually work w/ the stable. |
| 18:06.46 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 18:07.02 | androm | i've got an unformattted drive that i need to installed debian on... using the partition manager in the installer i need to create partitions for swap, / and /tmp. i was thinking of making those 3 logical partitions.. but they should be inside a primary partition , right? im not sure about creating the primary partition.. ideas? |
| 18:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
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| 18:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, that's not how it works! |
| 18:07.20 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 18:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell PinkFreud -about ssb |
| 18:07.31 | scratchme | ktlr: In some cases, backports won't be the latest. It's the latest supposedly beta-test quality effort to make newer stuff work w/ the stable. |
| 18:07.44 | scratchme | ktlr: In some cases, that's good enough. |
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| 18:08.06 | scratchme | ktlr: If it's not, often apps can be manually installed using a .deb package from their website. |
| 18:08.22 | Zoup | androm: is you don't need more partiions, create all of em as primary |
| 18:08.33 | Zoup | androm: also i would suggest against running separated /tmp partition |
| 18:08.41 | scratchme | ktlr: Manually installing .deb packages can be less fun if there's a bunch of dependencies, but it's still better than using testing. |
| 18:08.53 | androm | Zoup: sorry, i aactually met /var instead of /tmp |
| 18:08.55 | Zoup | scratchme: testing is fun :) |
| 18:09.13 | Zoup | androm: if its desktop system, single parition for / is good enough |
| 18:09.14 | scratchme | ktlr: Then there's the little matter of implementing a backup regimen. You sound like you need one. |
| 18:09.29 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I suppose that works. However, installing the kbuild package from squeeze didn't require installing any deps. in fact, I didn't bother modifying sources.list - I just grabbed it via the package search on the debian site. |
| 18:09.43 | zzz_ | d3x: When I enable visual bell in /apps/metacity/general/visual_bell, then the visual bell works. However, if I disable visual_bell and enable audible_bell, nothing happens when I do something that would generate a beep. |
| 18:09.49 | androm | meant* |
| 18:10.20 | ktlr | scratchme, but i cant to upgrade, because there are dependencies beetween the packages.... |
| 18:10.30 | PinkFreud | and it was a hell of a lot quicker than rebuilding it for lenny :) |
| 18:10.55 | ktlr | fucking udev |
| 18:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | zzz_, "xset b" ... and perhaps the system speaker is just not connected |
| 18:11.05 | scratchme | ktlr: There is a point where you restore your last working backup, and move on. |
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| 18:11.49 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a factoid for that |
| 18:12.16 | zzz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: When I use the command "beep", the system bell rings. Plus, the system bell works in GNOME+compiz and XFCE without compiz as well. |
| 18:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | fair enough |
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| 18:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what is it that it's not working for, then |
| 18:13.29 | zzz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: When I have GNOME and metacity, the sytem bell does not work. |
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| 18:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I do "xset b off" and echo ^G, it's silent |
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| 18:14.50 | ktlr | scratchme, but i need amarok 2.3 and gimp 2.6.8 and bouml 4.16 and other packages... |
| 18:14.55 | zzz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I would like to enable the system bell, not disable it. I checked "xset q" now, and it is enabled. Again, the problem doesn't occur when the window manager is compiz. |
| 18:15.41 | simonrvn | ktlr: you *want* them, you don't *need* them. you need food and water, not software. |
| 18:16.01 | scratchme | ktlr: Then try either installing them manually, using a different baseline OS (like sid/squeeze), or a different distro altogether. |
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| 18:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "xset b" sets the system default |
| 18:17.38 | nixererer | when i change /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to "text" my sound wont work any more. any ideas? |
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| 18:18.06 | Zoup | nixererer: i have no idea, i just love to know why you change it to text? |
| 18:18.51 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 18:18.51 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:18.53 | nixererer | that way you can login without the login manager, just text based |
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| 18:19.13 | simonrvn | um, there's easier ways |
| 18:19.34 | nixererer | simonrvn, what ways? |
| 18:19.38 | simonrvn | like typing it in at the grub cli |
| 18:19.42 | zzz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I ran "xset b" and then confirmed with "xset q" that it is enabled, but still no joy. Hmm.. Actually there is a bug report about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551590 |
| 18:19.48 | simonrvn | why bother editing it? |
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| 18:20.03 | simonrvn | /e/d/grub i mean |
| 18:20.06 | nixererer | simonrvn, how would you do it? |
| 18:20.09 | twantakur | hello |
| 18:20.13 | PinkFreud | why 42 rabid badgers? I can only come up with 40. |
| 18:20.18 | simonrvn | info grub |
| 18:20.23 | PinkFreud | sheesh. damn bot wants everything. |
| 18:20.29 | wols_ | nixererer: press "e" in grub |
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| 18:21.21 | wols_ | dpkg doesn't want the badgers for itself. it has a standing deal with sussudio |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | wols_: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 18:22.07 | dvs | mmmmmmkey |
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| 18:22.17 | nixererer | thx ill give it a try |
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| 18:28.49 | lxsameer | how can i point to a local repo in pinning , i have two testing repo in my sources.list the local one and the remote one |
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| 18:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, he meant moron #2 |
| 18:32.11 | \amethyst | var=$(cat file); echo "$var" |
| 18:32.12 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 18:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, run apt-cache policy |
| 18:34.32 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 18:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and read up on pinning syntax |
| 18:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | which I forgot where |
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| 18:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'll find it any century now |
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| 18:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pinning |
| 18:37.49 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 18:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, guess it was the wiki page that I read |
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| 18:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, possibly not |
| 18:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah, man 5 apt_preferences |
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| 18:44.21 | funzl | hi all. in config files, i often read of options called "bind address" or "bind-to-address". what exactly do i configure with this option? the interface to listen on? the subnet? |
| 18:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the ip to listen on |
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| 18:46.50 | funzl | so, what to do if more interfaces with different IP are available? use bind-address 0.0.0.0? |
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| 18:48.07 | wols_ | usually you leave it blank |
| 18:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that binds to all |
| 18:48.15 | wols_ | but it depends on the config file syntax |
| 18:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course it depends on what you want :) |
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| 18:49.35 | funzl | ok thx CutMeOwnThroat, wols_ :) |
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| 18:50.33 | squisher | Hi anyone have a pointer to an up-to-date encrypted disk howto? |
| 18:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can do that: you encrypt the disk; you forget the passphrase; you lose your data |
| 18:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !encrypted partition |
| 18:55.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, encrypted filesystem is http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
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| 18:57.31 | rainerfrey | I'm confused by package supplied config of apache and webalizer in lenny. webalizer has a daily cronjob and is configured to always run on the rotated log file (not the life one). it does not use incremental mode. apache logrotate is set to rotate weekly. this means statistics are sometimes a week back. a readme emphasizes that logrotate runs before webalizer. is this webalizer config perhaps meant for daily apache logrotation (which I |
| 18:57.31 | rainerfrey | wouldn't need)? would it work if i use the life log for webalizer? |
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| 18:57.50 | ultralazer | so on the facebook debian page the favorite page is a link to a catholic church in edmonton which is in canada. is debian "made by catholics for catholics"? |
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| 18:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... |
| 18:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cryptoloop |
| 18:59.08 | dpkg | well, cryptoloop is a Linux disk encryption module, which uses the Crypto API cryptography framework. Used to create an encrypted file system within a partition or regular file. Deprecated in favor of dm-crypt, disabled in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-2 (Debian bug #559755). There is no cryptoloop support in Squeeze. |
| 18:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and someone should write a dm-crypt factoid |
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| 19:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ultralazer, obviously |
| 19:00.50 | ultralazer | ok so i won't use debian as i'm not catholic and so on |
| 19:01.19 | ultralazer | crazy |
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| 19:02.41 | adb | !next |
| 19:02.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we only care about the pope anyways |
| 19:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, perhaps I could have handled that more diplomatically? |
| 19:03.11 | adb | heh |
| 19:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think it really was a troll, though |
| 19:03.51 | adb | that's sure |
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| 19:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | although they're not known for leaving quickly |
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| 19:04.36 | adb | maybe a 'light' one |
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| 19:04.51 | lxsameer | how can i label a repo ? |
| 19:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "troll light"... now with half the calories? |
| 19:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't apt-cache policy give you any means to distinguish by existing parameters? |
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| 19:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, there's some really strange people out there... he might have been serious |
| 19:07.53 | adb | or not .. |
| 19:08.47 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 19:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if yes... "oh no, one really weird person who doesn't install debian, the world will end" |
| 19:09.22 | darsie | Hi! I have a core 2 duo E4400 configured to run at regular 2GHz but /proc/cpuinfo and cpufreq-info list it at 1000 MHz. The kernel claimed 2000.038 MHz during boot. mpg123 uses 33% CPU to decode a 96kbit mono stream. Do I really run at 1 GHz and how do I get 2 GHz? |
| 19:09.45 | wols_ | darsie: google what "speedstep" is |
| 19:09.58 | darsie | ok |
| 19:09.59 | wols_ | it's a regular powersaving feature of Core2 CPUs |
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| 19:10.41 | darsie | oops, mpg123 is now suddenly back to a few %CPU. |
| 19:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, what's the hostname bit show? |
| 19:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or url bit |
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| 19:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | also "origin" |
| 19:12.28 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: every thing is the same but remote one has a origin |
| 19:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the local one? |
| 19:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, you didn't look at man apt_preferences... |
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| 19:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | " This general-form entry in the APT preferences file applies only to groups of packages. For example, the following record assigns a high priority to all package versions available from the local site." |
| 19:14.21 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: no i read some article about pinning i'll read it now |
| 19:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.14 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: does it refer to repo with origin ? or to repo with "" origin |
| 19:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | havent tried that, but would the manpage lie to me? |
| 19:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | this follows the sentence I quoted |
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| 19:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can read the bit of the manpage as well as I can, I guess (and i don't know more details than that either) |
| 19:16.51 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for helping |
| 19:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
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| 19:22.42 | darsie | The frequency is still displayed at 1 GHz when I run seti@home on both cores. Shouldn't speedstep then switch to 2 GHz? |
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| 19:24.18 | darsie | cpufreq-info also says: hardware limits: 600 MHz - 1000 MHz |
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| 19:30.03 | chemguy | During boot, my lenny installation freezes at "Setting console screen modes and fonts". How might this issue be resolved? |
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| 19:31.45 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: i read the too , but origin "" not working |
| 19:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feared that :( |
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| 19:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't imagine how I could have tried that |
| 19:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | i don't have a local repo |
| 19:32.43 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmmmmmm |
| 19:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think "" is not interpreted as an empty string but as two " |
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| 19:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and i ran into a variant of that |
| 19:34.08 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://dpaste.com/181746/ |
| 19:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should file a bug report on that... example in the man page that doesn't do what is described... |
| 19:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the bts for that? |
| 19:34.45 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: i also test the origin of remote one ( look at the pastebin ) but that is not work too |
| 19:35.03 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: no , let me check |
| 19:35.39 | hramrach | chemguy: do you by any chance use splashy? |
| 19:36.10 | Wikian5958 | hey |
| 19:36.32 | hramrach | chemguy: either way you should be able to boot into single user mode, disable the console services, and reboot |
| 19:36.46 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: it works |
| 19:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 19:37.11 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: i just remove the " from the origin of remote repo |
| 19:37.13 | hramrach | nonono no wikies please |
| 19:37.41 | hramrach | spam in the email suffices |
| 19:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but origin: "" doesn't work |
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| 19:38.02 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 19:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | file a bug report on that one? |
| 19:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I suspect the reason is that " are seen not as quotes but as literal chars |
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| 19:40.14 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: agree |
| 19:40.44 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: do you mean "finde a bug ... ?" |
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| 19:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 19:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, write one if there isn't any |
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| 19:42.46 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: sure |
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| 19:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574939 |
| 19:43.23 | chemguy | hramrach: I do not, and the problem even occurs in single-user mode |
| 19:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, misinterpreted the subject of that :) |
| 19:43.49 | kingsley | According to an article on Slashdot, "There is a serious vulnerability in Java that makes all current browsers vulnerable to simple Web-based attacks that could lead to a complete compromise of the affected system". |
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| 19:44.09 | kingsley | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/04/09/2017232/Serious-New-Java-Flaw-Affects-All-Browsers |
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| 19:45.17 | kingsley | A commenter wrote that it was fixed a few updates ago: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/6u17.html |
| 19:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in the changelog |
| 19:46.07 | kingsley | How does one tell which java Iceweasel is using? |
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| 19:46.45 | hramrach | chemguy: are you using any framebuffer? |
| 19:47.19 | chemguy | hramrach: Not that I know of. I've yet to boot into this installation, if that's any help. |
| 19:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, about:plugins |
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| 19:47.28 | hramrach | like vga= or video= or <something>:modeset=1 ? |
| 19:47.48 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you. |
| 19:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't tell which exact file it's loading, tho |
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| 19:48.23 | hramrach | chemguy: if you still have the installer handy you can boot into the rescue mode and disable the services which set up fonts |
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| 19:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the name, not where it is |
| 19:49.04 | chemguy | hramrach: How might I go about doing that? |
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| 19:50.12 | hramrach | chemguy: boot the installer (from CD or USB or whatever) and when it asks to press enter or choose what to boot choose (or type ) rescue |
| 19:50.26 | wertwertgfhjrer | how do i execute a cli command in a loop? |
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| 19:50.51 | hramrach | wertwertgfhjrer: while true ; do command ; done |
| 19:50.57 | chemguy | hramrach: I was referring more to the latter part: disabling font services. |
| 19:51.10 | wertwertgfhjrer | hramrach, thx |
| 19:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | lx... gorn |
| 19:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352667 |
| 19:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was it |
| 19:51.41 | hramrach | locate something in /etc/init.d that looks like console services and use update-rc.d to disable them |
| 19:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | fixed less than a week ago |
| 19:52.17 | hramrach | the actual service name may differ depending on the console setup package installed |
| 19:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so we can hope |
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| 19:53.05 | chemguy | hramrach: I shall. Thanks! |
| 19:53.15 | hramrach | wonder why would the box lock up running console setup, anyway |
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| 19:54.22 | hramrach | but it did happen for me as well .. |
| 19:54.34 | hramrach | Linux is crap |
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| 19:56.03 | dwkwopdk | i upgraded my system with kernel 2.6.30 from backports, but now my system is booting |
| 19:56.22 | dwkwopdk | but not into grub anymore, and if i press ctrl+alt f2 / f3 or f4 etc, i dont get a terminal |
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| 19:56.55 | dwkwopdk | screen stays blank, should i run that m-a a-m again somehow? > but how do i get into a terminal if those keys are not working? |
| 19:56.58 | fruitwerks | I get this when I try to compile echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo " \"2.6.33.1-vs2.3.0.36.30.4\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2 |
| 19:57.15 | fruitwerks | I got around this the other day, but I can't figure out what I did lol |
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| 19:59.23 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: does it still work with the old kernel? |
| 19:59.39 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, yes it does |
| 20:00.01 | hramrach | so don't upgrade to the other kernel ;-) |
| 20:00.22 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, no option to.. ? |
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| 20:01.49 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: unless you can find out what's wrong with the kernel it's hard to tell what option would fix it |
| 20:03.03 | hramrach | obviously your console does not work (assuming you can then reboot with Ctrl+alt+del and get the normal multiple beeps of Linux rebooting) |
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| 20:03.25 | hramrach | but you don't tell what console you used to start with |
| 20:04.03 | hramrach | (vga, vesafb, other fb, efi, ofw, ...) |
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| 20:04.34 | dwkwopdk | its vesafb i think |
| 20:04.44 | dwkwopdk | well default debian, that is vga mode isnt it |
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| 20:06.54 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: it depends on your kernel options and architecture |
| 20:07.13 | hramrach | and bootloader, too |
| 20:07.34 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: so what if you run your old lenny kernel? |
| 20:08.56 | dwkwopdk | wols_, runs ok, but no sound |
| 20:08.58 | hramrach | it works reportedly |
| 20:09.17 | hramrach | so there is some kernel or kernel config change which breaks stuff |
| 20:09.31 | nixererer | how do i connect to a wpa2 encrypted access point with the terminal? |
| 20:10.15 | wols_ | !tell nixererer about wpa |
| 20:10.16 | hramrach | I have multiple such in stock but which one applies depends on details about the system |
| 20:10.59 | nixererer | wols_, its my ap |
| 20:11.24 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, rebuilding the module wont work? |
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| 20:11.51 | dwkwopdk | i tried booting with noload=fglrx but that didnt work :/ |
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| 20:12.07 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: you have to determine what is the problem. |
| 20:12.34 | hramrach | so what bootloader? |
| 20:12.46 | hramrach | what extra options passed to the kernel? |
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| 20:13.37 | dwkwopdk | grub, normally i dont pass any options |
| 20:13.42 | hramrach | nixererer: you have to configure the connection the same regardless the owner of the AP |
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| 20:14.07 | hramrach | only you can choose the details you set up on your own AP |
| 20:14.10 | dwkwopdk | but again, i did try noload=fglrx on 2.6.30 .. still the screen goes blank after dmesg |
| 20:14.18 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: which grub? |
| 20:14.24 | dwkwopdk | 0.97 default lenny |
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| 20:15.00 | hramrach | does it pass vga=something to the kernel? |
| 20:15.08 | dwkwopdk | nopes |
| 20:15.16 | wols_ | hramrach: what videocard? |
| 20:15.38 | fruitwerks | why bother with a framebuffer console anyway |
| 20:15.55 | hramrach | wols_: apprently some ati as dwkwopdk was taking about fglrx |
| 20:16.14 | dwkwopdk | 4850 is failing with 2.6.30/fglrx |
| 20:16.18 | dwkwopdk | or something |
| 20:16.23 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say? |
| 20:18.10 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, ive put fglrx on the /etc/modules/blacklist |
| 20:18.17 | dwkwopdk | and when i boot now, still no image |
| 20:18.40 | dwkwopdk | so its not the ati driver |
| 20:19.13 | dwkwopdk | 2.6.30 somehow doesnt like my ati 4850 ? |
| 20:19.58 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: you might need to run "update-initramfs -u -k all" for the blacklisting to take full effect |
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| 20:20.35 | hramrach | yes, it may not like it but there is no reason it should not |
| 20:21.23 | hramrach | I can't recall any hardware on which greb legacy would boot yet the vga console would not work |
| 20:21.53 | hramrach | after all it uses the same thing to display the menu |
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| 20:22.37 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: but what's the contents of /proc/cmdline, anyway? |
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| 20:27.19 | tvstebut | Hi ! |
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| 20:28.03 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet |
| 20:28.20 | dwkwopdk | i did the update-initramfs trick you gave me, and rebuild the images |
| 20:28.28 | tvstebut | Hello, my issue is about networking |
| 20:28.39 | dwkwopdk | also removed gdm from rd.3, and it boots to shell now |
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| 20:31.29 | tvstebut | my machine doesn't ping , that's the log : http://pastebin.fr/7498 |
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| 20:31.39 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, you know what the problem is |
| 20:31.55 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: so it was not console what failed but X? |
| 20:31.58 | dwkwopdk | fglrx is built on kernel source/ with headers of 2.6.26 (lenny default) |
| 20:32.00 | hramrach | that's quite common |
| 20:32.10 | dwkwopdk | hramrach, yes, it locked up the whole display system |
| 20:32.14 | dwkwopdk | pretty *** |
| 20:32.43 | hramrach | no, not quite. but if you paste the Xorg.0.log somewhere someone could have a look |
| 20:33.19 | hramrach | also if you build fglrx only for the lenny kernel, not the bpo kernel there is no wonder X fails |
| 20:34.40 | hramrach | dwkwopdk: since you booted with the new kernel now m-a should have no problems building the module for it |
| 20:35.46 | dwkwopdk | well |
| 20:36.22 | dwkwopdk | m-a fails to run becaue it says /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.o Error 1 |
| 20:36.50 | dwkwopdk | i think it tries to reuse a .o? :/ |
| 20:36.58 | dwkwopdk | how do i tell m-a to completely redo? |
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| 20:38.41 | tvstebut | I wonder why I can't access my vlan router directly |
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| 20:42.17 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: it says more than that |
| 20:42.35 | dwkwopdk | uhhh |
| 20:43.01 | wols_ | check /var/cache/modass |
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| 20:43.05 | dwkwopdk | drm_os_linux.h:45 error conflicting types for ircreturn_t |
| 20:43.07 | dwkwopdk | wols ^^ |
| 20:43.34 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: I'm not sure fglrx can run on a recent kernel/recent X |
| 20:43.49 | dwkwopdk | i386 fyi |
| 20:44.48 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: where did you get your fglrx from? what version is it? |
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| 20:45.46 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: dpkg -l fglrx-driver what version is that? |
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| 20:46.43 | dwkwopdk | 1:8-12-4 |
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| 20:47.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi this may sound stupid, but how do I correctly remove the nvidia binary driver installed using apt and m-a ? |
| 20:47.30 | dwkwopdk | apt-get remove nvidia? |
| 20:47.52 | wols_ | that won't work it seems according to http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2009/07/03/debian-fglrx-and-linux-2-6-30 you need at least 9.6. so you need to backport the current fglrx-driver from sid if you want it to work on your new kernel |
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| 20:48.10 | wols_ | KaffeeJunky123: dpkg -l |grep nvidia remove that |
| 20:48.43 | dwkwopdk | wols_, would that be a wise thing to do? |
| 20:49.02 | dwkwopdk | i dont mind experimental much, should i go SID? |
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| 20:49.08 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: it'S the best course you can do. you won't use sid (binary) packages but do a backport |
| 20:49.29 | wols_ | it's a backport, not a full sid install. you only get fglrx from it, nothing else |
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| 20:49.31 | dwkwopdk | wols_, i know how to build a kernel, but i dont have a clue on how to do that |
| 20:49.44 | wols_ | !tell dwkwopdk about ssb |
| 20:49.55 | wols_ | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 20:49.56 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2 |
| 20:50.32 | dwkwopdk | i want that 10-3 i guess |
| 20:50.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | wich programm would recommand to organize and look through log files on lenny? |
| 20:50.47 | wols_ | basically you get the source package for fglrx-driver from sid and build it. then install those packages and create a kernel module via m-a from them, install that and you're done |
| 20:51.23 | dwkwopdk | wols_, so i temporarily \add SID to sources.lst? |
| 20:51.41 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: you add SOURCES from sid, NOT binary sid repos. deb-src, not deb |
| 20:51.42 | qwd | KaffeeJunky123: Gnome has Log File Viewer |
| 20:51.47 | dwkwopdk | ok |
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| 20:52.33 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: the deb-src part is very important or you may end up with a sid/lenny system. and you don't want that :) |
| 20:52.44 | dwkwopdk | no ok :) |
| 20:52.54 | dwkwopdk | wols_, but wher do i get that url from.. |
| 20:52.59 | wols_ | which url? |
| 20:53.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | qwd: oh I found it, it used to be in the system menu on ubuntu so I didn't find it right away |
| 20:53.09 | dwkwopdk | of SID |
| 20:53.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | qwd: I recently switched from ubuntu to debian because I wanted something more stable |
| 20:53.30 | dwkwopdk | deb-src http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian is one of the lines in my sources.lst |
| 20:53.33 | wols_ | copy a deb-src line for lenny and replace "lenny" or "stable" with "sid" |
| 20:53.48 | dwkwopdk | ahhhh ok, i already guessed that, thanks wols_ |
| 20:53.57 | dwkwopdk | better not just try on good luck wtih this stuff |
| 20:54.05 | wols_ | and of course you want the non-free part of it all |
| 20:54.21 | wols_ | if you have any questions, just ask here. if you are unsure, ask |
| 20:54.39 | wols_ | hint: if it wants to install a ton of dependencies, you probably are doing something wrong |
| 20:54.55 | wols_ | that's the time when you'd be changing over to sid, which you don't want |
| 20:55.07 | dwkwopdk | ok |
| 20:55.27 | wols_ | however: if there is no deb http.... line for sid in your sources.list, you cannot install sid packages and you are fine |
| 20:55.39 | wols_ | that's why deb-src is so important |
| 20:55.58 | dwkwopdk | wols_, i added (yanked with vim) the line with SID to my sources.lst |
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| 20:56.17 | dwkwopdk | deb-src http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sid main non-free |
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| 20:56.39 | dwkwopdk | then apt-get update, but the latest fglrx-driver is still 8-12-4 |
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| 20:57.02 | wols_ | you want source. not binary |
| 20:57.55 | dwkwopdk | the package name is different.... |
| 20:57.56 | dwkwopdk | ok |
| 20:58.41 | adb | , versions fglrx-driver |
| 20:58.41 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2 |
| 20:59.00 | dwkwopdk | i want that 10-3 source right |
| 20:59.05 | vadmeste | Hi. I don't know :) but I think that no one is using debian stable.. because there are many bugs remaining from the last year when I decided to give up from debian :p |
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| 20:59.18 | czesmir | when new kernel will be in sid? |
| 21:00.10 | dvs | czesmir: probably won't get a newer kernel than 2.6.32 |
| 21:00.34 | czesmir | yep |
| 21:00.39 | czesmir | 2.6.33 |
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| 21:01.14 | dvs | czesmir: but it probably won't make it to sid. |
| 21:01.21 | maligor | I should imagine you know how to build your own kernel if you use sid anyway |
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| 21:02.08 | czesmir | yes so? |
| 21:02.18 | wols_ | vadmeste: you fail to grasp what "stable" means I think |
| 21:02.20 | rares | is there a way to reverse reallocated sectors I have a drive that I think was failing due to temperature and now it's fine and i'd like to clear those reallocated sectors (SMART feature) |
| 21:02.37 | dwkwopdk | wols_, i added that deb-src line but when i apt-get install fglrx-source, i get 8-12 |
| 21:02.37 | wols_ | dvs: sid. sid will definitely get many many more new kernels |
| 21:02.46 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: SOURCE! |
| 21:02.49 | dwkwopdk | 8-12-4, thats not from unstable |
| 21:02.52 | dvs | wols_: in time for 6.0? |
| 21:03.03 | dwkwopdk | wols_, i TYPED FGLRX-SOURCE, what am i doing wrong then? |
| 21:03.06 | adb | dwkwopdk, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:03.14 | wols_ | dvs: sid is unstable and always will be unstable. it has no and will never get a version number |
| 21:03.33 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: check what the sourcepackage is named for fglrx-driver |
| 21:03.48 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: and learn how to install source. apt-get install isn't it |
| 21:03.48 | vadmeste | wols_, okey maybe :) I am not expert |
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| 21:04.16 | wols_ | vadmeste: stable will basically get security fixes only |
| 21:04.28 | dvs | wols_: yes, I know but due to the impending release of Debian 6.0, will it get a new kernel anytime soon? |
| 21:05.00 | wols_ | dvs: sid will constantly get new kernels. sid is UNSTABLE. not testing |
| 21:05.02 | adb | dvs, 2.6.33 is in experimental |
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| 21:06.40 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: read the ssb factoid again |
| 21:06.44 | dwkwopdk | wols_, that should be http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-source according to dpkg ssb |
| 21:07.10 | dwkwopdk | but you say its not.., and i dont know what im doing wrong |
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| 21:08.39 | wols_ | how does ssb tell you what to get exactly? how do you think it'S "fglrx-source"? |
| 21:09.21 | wols_ | dwkwopdk: nowhere does ssb tell you to use apt-get install, does it? |
| 21:09.27 | dwkwopdk | even that html page on packages.debian.org says it .. kernel module source for the non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r7xx display driver |
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| 21:09.41 | wols_ | answer my questions please |
| 21:09.52 | dwkwopdk | true, but it also says - check if the package you want is already backported |
| 21:10.02 | wols_ | have you checked if it'S backported? |
| 21:10.16 | dwkwopdk | i guess it hasnt been backported because i wanna build it myself |
| 21:10.17 | dwkwopdk | ok ok |
| 21:10.33 | wols_ | no that's the wrong answer. have you checked if it's backported? |
| 21:11.22 | dwkwopdk | well htere's no 10-3 in backports.org for lenny |
| 21:11.27 | dwkwopdk | so, yes i checked that |
| 21:11.37 | wols_ | ok. and now answer the other questions I asked please |
| 21:11.57 | dwkwopdk | i've answered all of them by now! |
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| 21:12.13 | wols_ | if you think so, fine. HAND |
| 21:12.29 | dwkwopdk | no need to pretend like a prick |
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| 21:13.02 | dwkwopdk | im happy that you're helping me, but a hand full of incomplete pointers doesnt help me |
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| 21:13.50 | wols_ | I asked questions with question marks. YOu don't like to answer them, fine, your choice |
| 21:15.27 | dwkwopdk | apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 21:16.05 | wols_ | and this tells you to apt-get install fglrx-source where exactly? |
| 21:16.13 | dwkwopdk | it doesnt |
| 21:16.18 | dwkwopdk | ur right |
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| 21:16.34 | wols_ | and flgrx-source is NOT the source package of fglrx-driver either |
| 21:16.51 | dwkwopdk | but when > i apt-get build-dep fglrx-driver |
| 21:16.57 | wols_ | and no excuse me, I have monsters to kill. way more productive than doing this for 30 minutes |
| 21:16.59 | dwkwopdk | i get 109MB of packages |
| 21:17.33 | dwkwopdk | it wants my system to go unstable :< |
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| 21:17.58 | wols_ | is there a deb http:/.... sid line in your sources.list? |
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| 21:18.09 | dwkwopdk | wols_, yeah |
| 21:18.10 | wols_ | if not, how can it "go unstable"? |
| 21:18.16 | wols_ | there is? why did you put it there? |
| 21:18.19 | dwkwopdk | wols_, no |
| 21:18.23 | dwkwopdk | no deb http |
| 21:18.25 | dwkwopdk | just deb-src |
| 21:18.37 | wols_ | so if there isn't, hw can it download unstable binary packages? |
| 21:18.47 | wols_ | *how |
| 21:18.55 | dwkwopdk | so ok, thats just binary packages from my current lenny repos |
| 21:19.11 | dwkwopdk | ok, thanks wols_ thank you for your time |
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| 21:23.08 | nvz | could anyone tell me why when I kexec my consoles tty1-6 are all black? I verified that the getty processes are running... so its got to be a display issue of some kind. |
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| 21:23.27 | nvz | it successfully brings up gdm, but if I didnt have gdm I'd kinda be screwed |
| 21:23.45 | nixererer | after stopping gdm i cant start alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory ; how can i fix this? |
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| 21:24.35 | nvz | nixererer: well its either that the drivers arent properly loaded, thus the device doesn't exist, or you do not have permissions to it.. |
| 21:25.01 | nvz | nixererer: check as root, if it still doesn't work, then run alsaconf |
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| 21:30.40 | nixererer | nvz, nice work, you were right. is there a way to run it not as root but as a user? |
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| 21:30.58 | nvz | nixererer: add you user to the audio group and login again |
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| 21:32.19 | grandpapadot | Hey guys, just migrated about 30 servers to Debian 5, and just noticed the timezones changed from US/Central type format to America/Chicago, any way to get back the old timezone format? Our app will break. Thanks for any help! |
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| 21:38.17 | nvz | !tz |
| 21:38.37 | dpkg | [timezone] the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 21:39.09 | nvz | grandpapadot: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 21:40.11 | grandpapadot | nvz: Yea, I found that. But there is no "US/Central" selection ... (thanks anyway for the help) |
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| 21:41.46 | nvz | grandpapadot: america > Center (North Dakota) |
| 21:42.02 | nvz | I think that method is stupid.. it should just list the timezone names |
| 21:42.11 | nvz | however that selection will set it to CDT |
| 21:42.31 | grandpapadot | working on it, one sec (thanks) |
| 21:43.17 | nvz | Idk what the hell the reasoning is behind people who code things that way, but I think its insanely stupid |
| 21:43.44 | nvz | what is the big issue with saying USA/East coast, USA/Central..etc |
| 21:44.13 | grandpapadot | lol, true |
| 21:44.24 | nvz | just to confuse dumb people who live in Jacksonville, FL and don't know they are on New York time? |
| 21:44.25 | grandpapadot | My app looks for US/Central, etc. |
| 21:44.36 | nvz | then your app is broken |
| 21:44.43 | nvz | it should if anything look for CDT |
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| 21:49.54 | aguitel | what is the difference between amd64 and ia64 arquitecture ? |
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| 21:50.44 | \amethyst | aguitel: IA64 is Itanium, and probably not what you want |
| 21:50.57 | \amethyst | aguitel: AMD64 is used for both AMD and Intel's 64-bit desktops (x86_64) |
| 21:51.35 | aguitel | \amethyst ,thanks |
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| 21:52.41 | \amethyst | It's amd64 for the same reason that i386 has the 'i'; AMD introduced the instruction set, and they named it after themselves :) |
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| 21:53.13 | aguitel | i have AMD athlon 64 processor ,do you think system 64 bits will run better than i386 ? |
| 21:53.58 | nvz | aguitel: according to AMD running 32bit apps on amd64 userland has at most a negligable 2% performance hit.. I beg to differ in some cases |
| 21:54.11 | nvz | aguitel: you can have a 64bit kernel on the normal 32bit install |
| 21:54.38 | aguitel | nvz, how i install this? |
| 21:54.50 | nvz | aguitel: the case of a 64bit vs a 32bit userland on any OS is always will you have 64bit versions of all apps, and drivers |
| 21:55.04 | nvz | in the case of linux, drivers are a def yes, but apps are hit and miss. |
| 21:55.21 | nvz | and while you can run 32bit apps they wont always run as well as they would on a native 32bit userland |
| 21:55.45 | nvz | aguitel: apt-get install linux-image-foo-amd64 |
| 21:55.55 | nvz | aguitel: replacing foo with a kernel version |
| 21:56.19 | aguitel | nvz, and i boot with this kernel |
| 21:56.25 | nvz | aguitel: yes. |
| 21:57.12 | nvz | aguitel: in my experience the only thing 32bit I've ever ran on a 64bit OS that was miserably slow, was something called Emerald Viewer, which is a program for accessing online virtual worlds like SecondLife |
| 21:57.50 | dwkwopdk | i added backports.org to my sources.lst, but when i try to install pidgin 2.6.6 from it via synaptics |
| 21:57.52 | nvz | the 32bit viewer with a 64bit userland and 64bit nvidia drivers made my frame rates FAR lower than when I ran 32bit |
| 21:58.10 | dwkwopdk | it only shows me the lenny version, no bpo |
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| 21:58.34 | nvz | dwkwopdk: apt-get -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
| 21:58.44 | dwkwopdk | what is the -t? |
| 21:58.44 | aguitel | i will try kernel linux-image-2.6.32-3.686-amd64 |
| 21:59.12 | nvz | dwkwopdk: target release |
| 21:59.45 | dwkwopdk | nvz, but why doesnt synaptics show them both? |
| 21:59.46 | nvz | dwkwopdk: by default backports is pinned at lower priority to avoid breaking your system forcing you to upgrade everything to backports |
| 22:00.01 | dwkwopdk | ahhh |
| 22:00.10 | aguitel | nvz, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.32-686-amd64" |
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| 22:00.41 | nvz | dwkwopdk: the information on backports.org tells you to use -t lenny-backports to manually install a backport |
| 22:00.50 | nvz | aguitel: of course not |
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| 22:01.05 | nvz | aguitel: 686 and amd64 are mutually exclusive |
| 22:01.20 | aguitel | nvz, a ok |
| 22:01.48 | nvz | aguitel: when installing a 32bit debian you will end up with likely a -686 kernel, you just after the install, fetch the -amd64 one |
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| 22:02.38 | aguitel | nvz, linux-image-2.6.32-3 is my last kernel |
| 22:03.17 | nvz | !info linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 22:03.28 | Smiley | hi all, im going to ask what seems to be a stupid question, but I need to ask anyway so i can learn - I'm using some eeePC script to install debian - its installed and now im looking at installing Xorg also - they reccomended that I run "aptitude install --without-recommends xinit xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xfonts-base" - but this presumes I installed the "standard" ... |
| 22:03.34 | Smiley | ... system via tasksel. As I've not installed _anything_ would I be best to not do the --ignore-recommended ? |
| 22:03.40 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64: (Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs), section kernel, is optional. Version: 2.6.32-9 (sid), Packaged size: 27032 kB, Installed size: 96892 kB |
| 22:03.55 | nvz | aguitel: so you're running sid? |
| 22:04.02 | aguitel | nvz, squeeze |
| 22:04.26 | aguitel | nvz, some problem ? |
| 22:04.26 | nvz | according to our friendly bot dpkg, there is no linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 in squeeze |
| 22:04.35 | nvz | it is however in sid |
| 22:04.51 | aguitel | nvz, Get:1 http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze/main linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 2.6.32-9 [27.7MB] |
| 22:05.10 | nvz | shrugs |
| 22:05.31 | nvz | thats strange because dpkg updates his package info on the fly |
| 22:05.33 | aguitel | nvz, maybe i need to reinstall nvidia driver |
| 22:05.38 | nvz | which is why he's so slow |
| 22:05.52 | nvz | aguitel: did you install it from nvidia.com? |
| 22:05.59 | aguitel | nvz, yes |
| 22:06.11 | nvz | then, yes, you will have to run the script again for it to work |
| 22:06.21 | nvz | aguitel: you will also need kernel headers for the new kernel |
| 22:06.37 | aguitel | nvz, another apps do you think? |
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| 22:07.04 | nvz | aguitel: linux-headers-2.6.32-3 would likely be the package name |
| 22:07.13 | nvz | aguitel: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 22:07.15 | nvz | see what comes up |
| 22:07.19 | aguitel | nvz, yes i know |
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| 22:09.22 | nvz | aguitel: both are built from the same source tree, but the issue will be upon booting the -amd64 one it will look in /lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/ for the nvidia module, not in /lib/modules/2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 22:09.39 | nvz | so you will need to run the nvidia binary again from the new kernel to get it working |
| 22:10.13 | nvz | its much easier to just use the debian packages, which will fix all this for you when you install new kernels |
| 22:10.35 | nvz | though I suppose its 6 in one and half a dozen in the other.. |
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| 22:11.04 | nvz | since while testing/unstable will have more kernel updates likely, it will also likely have more breakage and inconsistency in the nvida packaged |
| 22:11.12 | aguitel | nvz, ok |
| 22:11.25 | nvz | so I suppose if you can handle running the binary everytime the kernel changes, its probably easier that way.. heh |
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| 22:13.39 | aguitel | nvz, i boot now ,say me good luck |
| 22:14.49 | nvz | says "me good luck" |
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| 22:16.16 | nvz | switches to wired interface cause his wifi card sucks |
| 22:16.52 | scratchme | -his |
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| 22:17.20 | scratchme | wifi = convenience (when it works) |
| 22:18.11 | nvz | /bin/sh: lscpi: command not found |
| 22:18.22 | peturi | HAHAHAH |
| 22:18.24 | peturi | I LAUGH SO HARD |
| 22:18.27 | nvz | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
| 22:18.38 | peturi | nvz: lspci now cpi |
| 22:18.55 | nvz | na it was the way I typed the command in irc |
| 22:19.01 | nvz | using /exec -o |
| 22:19.13 | peturi | OMG, exec is evil! |
| 22:19.27 | nvz | anywho, this is a Acer AspireOne ZG5 |
| 22:19.33 | nvz | and this wifi card blows |
| 22:20.06 | nvz | there are like 3 or more different methods of getting it to work under linux, but I've only used the ath5k module in my kernel |
| 22:20.08 | ITXpander | nvz: which kernel version are you running? |
| 22:20.19 | nvz | cause it sucks on windows too.. so I don't figure its solely a driver issue |
| 22:20.46 | nvz | right now I am using the 2.6.32.2 I rolled when I first got it working |
| 22:21.00 | nvz | been meaning to roll a newer one, but haven't gotten around to it |
| 22:21.06 | xyan | judd: versions kdenlive |
| 22:21.07 | judd | kdenlive -- etch-multimedia: 0.4-0.1-etch2; lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2; squeeze: 0.7.6+svn4144-1; sid: 0.7.7.1-1 |
| 22:21.10 | ITXpander | nvz: i had problems with an atheros too on an acer ferrari one, but its the ath9k module |
| 22:21.28 | ITXpander | with kernel versions prior to 2.6.32 |
| 22:21.31 | ITXpander | now it works fine |
| 22:21.46 | nvz | yeah, they're terrible, unsupported jumbo, noise floor calibration.. blah blah blah |
| 22:22.11 | \amethyst | yes, that's fine |
| 22:22.13 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 22:23.05 | nvz | mine doesn't work at all with the stock 2.6.26 kernel, I figure due to rfkill |
| 22:23.39 | aguitel | nvz, probelm with x ,i need to download nvidia driver for amd64 |
| 22:23.43 | ITXpander | im on testing and its working good now |
| 22:24.13 | nvz | which is why I made this 2.6.32.2 at the time.. I've been meaning to pull some fresher source and recompile.. I left out support for several things I've needed since then.. like for one PPP isn't on here for when I use an EVDO modem, some device mapper stuff for using say truecrypt..etc |
| 22:24.31 | nvz | aguitel: uh, no.. |
| 22:25.13 | aguitel | nvz, i boot again with amd64 kernel and with command line i will install nvidia |
| 22:25.25 | nvz | aguitel: actually I'm not sure if you use the 64bit driver with a 32bit userland or not |
| 22:25.49 | aguitel | nvz, actually i am using 32 bit driver nvidia |
| 22:25.51 | nvz | but I would think even with a 64bit kernel you would still use the 32bit driver |
| 22:26.02 | aguitel | nvz, no |
| 22:26.15 | nvz | I'm fairly certain thats a yes |
| 22:26.42 | nvz | because you see, it will build against whatever kernel's sources you are using, but a 32bit X cannot use a 64bit driver |
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| 22:27.06 | nvz | the nvidia driver is one part kernel one part userland |
| 22:27.42 | nvz | so I'm fairly sure that if you were to use it on a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland, you need the 32bit driver |
| 22:28.03 | nvz | but he left, so obviously don't care what I think.. heh |
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| 22:30.59 | \amethyst | nvz: the free Radeon drivers work fine with 32-bit X and 64-bit kernel |
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| 22:31.22 | \amethyst | nvz: ISTR having problems with the fglrx drivers, though, back when I was using those |
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| 22:31.39 | enveezee | i dont see how that applies at all to nvidias binary. |
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| 22:31.50 | jelly-hme | it doesn't |
| 22:32.14 | jelly-hme | why are there two nvzs! |
| 22:32.16 | \amethyst | ah |
| 22:32.24 | \amethyst | I missed that aguitel was using the nvidia driver |
| 22:33.05 | enveezee | i had to take pooh to the hunnert acre wood... signed in on my phone.. |
| 22:33.50 | nvz | my cell signal, unlike the wifi on this netbook is reliable |
| 22:33.52 | HatToTheSide | who the heck is MilkBaba |
| 22:34.14 | nvz | which is why when I'm not at my desk I'll often watch things on SprintTV rather than Hulu on the netbook |
| 22:34.18 | Smiley | yey |
| 22:34.27 | Smiley | irc on my laptop via ssh ^_^ |
| 22:34.42 | nvz | even though the f'n screen is like less than 2" just cause the signal is stable |
| 22:35.27 | nvz | besides I just switched to wired, and IRC is one of those protocols that doesn't like being switched from wired to wireless and back |
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| 22:36.10 | nvz | usually the wifi is fairly stable until you try actually doing something.. irc doesn't seem to mess it up.. but facebook, hulu.. anything like that will cause it to go out |
| 22:36.59 | Mowee | soir |
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| 22:39.03 | Smiley | o_O |
| 22:39.09 | Smiley | wgetpaste not in packages? :| |
| 22:39.13 | Smiley | I must be being stupid. |
| 22:39.54 | Smiley | or am i missing something important in doing my install... |
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| 22:41.07 | jelly-hme | judd: info wgetpaste |
| 22:41.09 | judd | No record of package 'wgetpaste' in lenny/i386. |
| 22:41.15 | Smiley | :< |
| 22:41.21 | jelly-hme | Smiley: what is "wgetpaste" suposed to be? |
| 22:41.34 | Smiley | its a script that uses wget to paste into a pastebin. |
| 22:41.42 | jelly-hme | try pastebinit |
| 22:41.48 | Smiley | i use it on gentoo, trying to setup my laptop atm. |
| 22:41.49 | Smiley | ok |
| 22:42.30 | dockimble | is there any good tutorial on how to install debian from an SD card? |
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| 22:43.02 | Smiley | sweet, thats perfect jelly-hme :) |
| 22:43.09 | Smiley | I searched for paste, but that wasn't much use ;) |
| 22:43.35 | jelly-hme | Smiley: note, the default pastebin.com doesn't work since a recent layout change, tell it to use eg. paste.debian.net |
| 22:43.37 | dansushi | i'm having a weird issue. After leaving my computer for about 8-12 hours during the day, it's frozen when i come back. I can move the mouse, but when i try to click on anything, nothing happens. The only way i can fix it is to go into a terminal and kill -9 the X process. Any ideas on why this is happening? |
| 22:43.44 | jelly-hme | !pastebin pipe |
| 22:43.44 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 22:44.15 | Smiley | jelly-hme: thats fine, I'll check the configuration once its installed, I'm new to all this so thanks for your help :) |
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| 22:44.47 | jelly-hme | dansushi: some application grab the mouse/keyboard focus and don't let go. rdesktop, vmware client, amarok come to mind |
| 22:45.12 | Smiley | I might as well ask now - where should I be looking for configuration files in one place or does it vary with every package? |
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| 22:45.48 | Smiley | jelly-hme: I'd guess its his screensaver personally. I had that problem previously :< |
| 22:46.07 | jelly-hme | Smiley: it varies, but tries to conform to FHS. |
| 22:46.14 | dansushi | jefferai: i'm tried killing the processes that i thought cuased it, and it didn't fix the issues. I did try it with amarok, but it didn't fix itself. |
| 22:46.54 | jelly-hme | Smiley: typically /etc or /etc/packagename; but read stuff in /usr/share/doc/packagename, esp. README.Debian for clues |
| 22:46.58 | dansushi | Also, another wierd thing. if when i come back and click on a the screen, anywhere. *sometimes*, after like 10 minutes, it starts working again |
| 22:47.25 | jelly-hme | dansushi: did it (amarok) die? |
| 22:47.37 | dansushi | yeah, amarok died when i did it before |
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| 22:47.48 | dansushi | but the frozen issue still stayed |
| 22:48.07 | Smiley | I've had that issue too LOL |
| 22:48.08 | jelly-hme | could be something else, or an altogether different problem |
| 22:48.26 | aguitel | nvz, i have some error to install nvidia 64bits driver in the new kernel |
| 22:48.33 | dansushi | and when i go to the terminal, and then back to the GUI, all of the Kwin window borders turn black |
| 22:48.50 | nvz | aguitel: I was telling you NOT to do that. |
| 22:48.57 | jelly-hme | dansushi: kde4? |
| 22:49.02 | aguitel | nvz, it say: ./nvidia-installer not found |
| 22:49.03 | dansushi | nope, 3.5 |
| 22:49.18 | jelly-hme | eh, 3.5 shouldn't be that buggy, but who knows |
| 22:49.19 | dansushi | i'm still waiting for 4.5 to come out before i switch. |
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| 22:50.01 | dansushi | btw, if it helps, this problem started like 4 months ago- i've just been dealing with it because i know i'm going to 4.5 soon |
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| 22:50.34 | jelly-hme | dansushi: is there disk thrashing during that time? |
| 22:50.53 | nvz | rolls his eyes and goes back to watching Justified where he left off earlier, and tosses random frozen eatables into the deep fryer |
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| 22:50.56 | dansushi | not that i've noticed |
| 22:51.03 | jelly-hme | is the console responsive? |
| 22:51.05 | dansushi | all my hard drives have been working fine |
| 22:51.24 | Richie086 | anyone know if there is a irc support channel for auditor/backtrack? |
| 22:51.29 | Richie086 | on freenode |
| 22:51.30 | dansushi | the terminal isn't if i do ctrl-alt-F# right away |
| 22:51.56 | jelly-hme | dansushi: is there swapping? |
| 22:51.57 | dansushi | but if i were to click somewhere and thy to get it to work, then i can't go to the terminal using the keyboard |
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| 22:52.06 | dansushi | swapping? |
| 22:52.10 | jelly-hme | yes. |
| 22:52.11 | dansushi | like alt-tabbing? |
| 22:52.28 | dansushi | i don't know what you mean by swapping |
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| 22:52.48 | jelly-hme | is the machine using the swap partition, paging out or in |
| 22:52.53 | dansushi | oh |
| 22:53.03 | jelly-hme | !swap |
| 22:53.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux |
| 22:53.11 | jhamlin_ | on a reasonably new computer how long should ripping an average audio CD take (not counting the encoding)? |
| 22:53.15 | dansushi | right now i have 13MB out og 5GB used in swap |
| 22:53.25 | dansushi | i can't be sure what was happening during the error |
| 22:54.04 | jelly-hme | dansushi: next time it happens, try tkaing a look at "vmstat 1" output, si and so columns |
| 22:54.21 | dansushi | ok |
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| 22:55.12 | dansushi | what should i be looking for then? |
| 22:55.15 | babilen | !tell Richie086 -about bt4 |
| 22:55.28 | dansushi | i did that right now, and all of them were 0 |
| 22:55.40 | dansushi | should i be looking for a whole lot more during the error? |
| 22:55.59 | jelly-hme | jhamlin_: that very much depends on the ripping settings, those apps can use lower cd spin speeds to make a more reliable copy |
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| 22:58.05 | jelly-hme | jhamlin_: say something like 1/4-1/8 of total audio tracks time |
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| 22:59.29 | SuperMiguel | any one doing running debian in ram? |
| 23:00.04 | jelly-hme | dansushi: that's one possibility. if there's swapping out, inspect which apps are hogging ram. |
| 23:00.17 | dansushi | ok |
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| 23:00.29 | Smiley | thats helpful, pastebininit doesn't have a README :( |
| 23:00.34 | jhamlin_ | jelly-hme: thanks. Looks like I'm going to be spending a few weeks ripping my collection... |
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| 23:01.15 | jelly-hme | jhamlin_: children labor. |
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| 23:03.22 | jelly-hme | Smiley: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net < /proc/cpuinfo doesn't exactly require extensive docs |
| 23:03.40 | Bateau | building a new comp from newegg, so, how much hell would I be looking at if I used a new MB with integrated ATI-HD-3300? has the state of ATI support improved, or should I just get a nvidia card? |
| 23:04.16 | Smiley | jelly-hme: i thougt it'd have a config for whioch bin to use somewhere...#] |
| 23:04.21 | jham | is there a way to turn off hilighting in irssi for a special word even if it matches a subset of characters that should be hilighted? |
| 23:04.36 | zleap | Bateau, i read the otther day that ATI are improving the support of OSS drivers |
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| 23:05.30 | Roomer | hi there. |
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| 23:05.38 | jham | or ban all messages containing "jhamlin_" in it? :) |
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| 23:06.11 | jelly-hme | !irssi |
| 23:06.11 | dpkg | [irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:07.09 | Roomer | i cannot figure out when the module returns success=2 and what it means. can anyone give me a hint? |
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| 23:11.50 | \amethyst | Roomer: that means, on success, skip over the next two actions |
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| 23:12.57 | \amethyst | Roomer: the next two PAM modules on the stack, I mean |
| 23:13.33 | \amethyst | Roomer: it's mentioned in pam.conf, search for "actionN" |
| 23:13.41 | \amethyst | Roomer: man pam.conf that is |
| 23:14.08 | _Trullo | when I do apt-get install a package, it looks on the cdrom first, how do I remove that check? I want to download all new packages from internet |
| 23:15.02 | Roomer | oh no! i read the damn manpage + the pam admin guide. but i obviously missed that spot. |
| 23:15.26 | Bateau | _Trullo, remove the CD (or commet it out) in /etc/apt/sources.list, then do apt-get update |
| 23:15.30 | Bateau | that'll change that behavior |
| 23:16.13 | _Trullo | aah, ok, thanks |
| 23:16.13 | Bateau | your welcome |
| 23:16.36 | Roomer | thanks \amethyst i will have a look at the manpage again. |
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| 23:18.33 | techie26 | debian 5 w/ KDE, setting up remote server, no screen, but want screen setup large resolution for rdc (vmc), have tried control center and ctrl-alt +/- How can I get a larger resolution screen? |
| 23:19.54 | Bateau | have you tried checking if xorg.conf can be modified (haven't messed with remote GUI servers much, sorry) |
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| 23:20.42 | techie26 | I'll check that, t y |
| 23:21.15 | Bateau | I know at least for local systems, you can set the resolutions supported there |
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| 23:25.55 | Roomer | \quit |
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| 23:27.10 | jelly-hme | techie26: what use is kde and vnc on a server, btw? Typically one uses ssh to connect to a server. |
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| 23:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, you can connect via vnc to kde and then you can click on start->system administration.... |
| 23:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that was windows, wasn't it? |
| 23:28.22 | jelly-hme | that'd be silly |
| 23:28.28 | Bateau | some people just like GUI, I honestly admit to keeping SCP sessions open to them from time to time for the graphical directory hierarchy display, easier for me to think/relate to, as a spatial guy |
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| 23:29.51 | techie26 | I use ssh also, but moving around on GUI's is quicker using RDC |
| 23:30.18 | jelly-hme | (why do you need the gui at all is another question) |
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| 23:30.46 | techie26 | cause I'm a hacker, not an admin lol |
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| 23:31.55 | Bateau | amen to that, some things text just can't convey the information content of as quickly |
| 23:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can't? |
| 23:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you talking about... porn? |
| 23:32.38 | Bateau | actually, thinking of the box I'm building, for wireless IDS/directional scanning |
| 23:32.42 | jelly-hme | we're trying to wean our vendors off vnc/xdmcp and making them use X11Forwarding and single apps. |
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| 23:33.17 | Bateau | lot nicer to see it on a graphical output then "transmitter is at 273 degrees angle from reference point X, distance 50-65m" |
| 23:34.22 | Bateau | overlay an image of the building, to scale, and you've got a damn nice tool, which can't really be conveyed in ascii art |
| 23:34.38 | jelly-hme | Bateau: noone argues about using text _instead_ of apps, just not using the whole dekstop environment session on the server |
| 23:35.02 | Bateau | ahh, true |
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| 23:36.32 | jelly-hme | !ops TrucksAreMyPassi privmsg bra troll |
| 23:36.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-hme complains about: TrucksAreMyPassi privmsg bra troll |
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| 23:38.20 | Bateau | indeed |
| 23:38.25 | Bateau | I'm getting spammed by said user |
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| 23:42.44 | jelly-hme | well, lemme do that !ops once more for reference |
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| 23:43.41 | jelly-hme | !ops *!~mom@99.64.125.91 privmsg bra troll |
| 23:43.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-hme complains about: *!~mom@99.64.125.91 privmsg bra troll |
| 23:44.03 | Bateau | nods |
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| 23:44.33 | Bateau | seems the IP is a malware infected machine on AT&T/sbcglobal, I'm finding the IP on a few russian forums |
| 23:44.42 | Bateau | so I'm just setting a filter on it |
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| 23:45.51 | dockimble | hello |
| 23:46.01 | dockimble | i have a problem with my compaq netbook |
| 23:46.19 | Bateau | ask away |
| 23:46.20 | dockimble | it won't recognize the ethernet NIC |
| 23:46.36 | dockimble | it's the compaq version of the HP Mini |
| 23:46.41 | Bateau | do you know what the ethernet chipset in it is? |
| 23:46.53 | mertle | lspci is the first port of call |
| 23:47.08 | dockimble | i'm lookin |
| 23:47.10 | jelly-hme | dockimble: use lspci -nn to get the pci id of the Ethernet adapter |
| 23:47.11 | Bateau | nods, was going to suggest that and dmesg for information |
| 23:47.25 | jelly-hme | !what's my hardware |
| 23:47.26 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 23:47.29 | Bateau | in case it is attempting to load the driver but failing somewhere |
| 23:47.40 | dockimble | will do |
| 23:49.30 | dockimble | ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. Device [1969:1062] (rev c0) |
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| 23:50.01 | fruitwerks | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h - does not match current version anyone know this issue? |
| 23:50.06 | jelly-hme | judd: pciid 1969:1062 |
| 23:50.07 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
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| 23:50.25 | tinflu | anyknow knows howto unbind keys with setxkbmap ? |
| 23:50.40 | dockimble | ok, so |
| 23:50.48 | dockimble | what ought i do |
| 23:51.06 | jelly-hme | dockimble: get yourself a newer kernel |
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| 23:51.16 | dockimble | install sid? |
| 23:51.57 | dockimble | just reinstall with sid, would that be the best bet? |
| 23:52.26 | jelly-hme | dockimble: negative, you don't want sid |
| 23:52.39 | dockimble | then where can one download said kernel |
| 23:52.46 | dockimble | or an iso that would install that |
| 23:52.58 | jelly-hme | dockimble: if reinstalling is an option, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 23:53.23 | dockimble | ??? |
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| 23:53.34 | mertle | or kernel.org maybe |
| 23:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should be easier to just get the 2.6.32 kernel from bpo |
| 23:53.47 | dockimble | bpo? |
| 23:53.49 | jelly-hme | dockimble: type that in your irc client, read the reasponse from the bot |
| 23:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bpo |
| 23:53.52 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 23:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 23:54.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:54.15 | dockimble | yeah, but i can use that, as there is no net connectivityt |
| 23:54.27 | dockimble | how does one load a new kernel without aptitude? |
| 23:54.37 | jelly-hme | dockimble: usb stick? |
| 23:54.46 | dockimble | ok, where is the deb= |
| 23:54.47 | dockimble | ? |
| 23:54.50 | dockimble | from backports? |
| 23:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, well, you can, but that's the reason jelly-hme (o?) suggested the reinstall... :) |
| 23:55.09 | dockimble | ok, but where do i get the iso from |
| 23:55.17 | jelly-hme | dockimble: dpkg will tell you. |
| 23:55.25 | dockimble | ok, where is the deb= |
| 23:55.32 | dockimble | i did that |
| 23:55.43 | jelly-hme | dockimble: and, did you get a response? |
| 23:55.45 | dockimble | oh, right |
| 23:56.42 | dockimble | soo which one is needed |
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| 23:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | the backports kernels are here: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 23:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could pick the correct one and install it with dpkg -i <filename> |
| 23:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem is, if something goes wrong, it seems you won't know what to do |
| 23:58.19 | dockimble | the one with wpa support can just use wifi for the install, correct |
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