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| 00:03.19 | stealth- | Ummm, I think I may be a little misunderstood about the point of VPN. I know I can access other computers in the VPN through it, but say, for instance, is it possible to have it set up so all of my outbound traffic gets routed (encrypted) to the VPN server and then out through that network? Or would I just be better of using ssh tunneling? |
| 00:03.48 | Bateau | that's the normal usage for a VPN actaully |
| 00:04.13 | pngwn | Sk8rLanny stop with the nick changes |
| 00:04.16 | Bateau | most clients will route all traffic through the server, allowing protection of things like company firewalls to extend to users who are mobile |
| 00:04.46 | stealth- | That's what I had thought, however after setting up OpenVPN, the debian wiki doesn't even mention it. Same with the openVPN website on their statickey-mini-howto |
| 00:05.17 | Bateau | most linux machines actually give you more flexability then windows |
| 00:05.39 | stealth- | Well, I knew that..... ;) |
| 00:05.44 | Bateau | windows machines (with few exceptions outside servers) route all traffic through a single interface, so they just set it to the "virtual" VPN interface |
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| 00:06.09 | stealth- | Got any clue where I can find a tutorial? Or at least which keywords to search google for? |
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| 00:06.26 | Bateau | debian and other linux machines will often route traffic to company lan through the VPN, based on non-routable IPs for example, while internet traffic will go out the faster local connection |
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| 00:06.58 | Bateau | as to good configuartion information, sorry, I honestly can't provide any, I usually am the guy breaking into VPNs, not the actual user/sysadmin (I work for a network pen testing company) |
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| 00:07.13 | stealth- | Heh, Cool. |
| 00:07.21 | stealth- | Okay, thanks then :) |
| 00:07.34 | Bateau | someone else will come along who can help you more I'm sure |
| 00:07.50 | stealth- | Yeah, I'll stay in here. In the mean time I'll keep googling |
| 00:07.56 | pngwn | !ops Connor_Sethuelso is having identity issues |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: pngwn complains about: Connor_Sethuelso is having identity issues |
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| 00:08.36 | Bateau | pngwn, we've been complaining about that troll for a while |
| 00:08.44 | Bateau | no one is around to swat him, in here or #freenode |
| 00:08.56 | pngwn | I wish he'd just pick a nick so I could ignore it |
| 00:09.05 | Bateau | just filter on IP |
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| 00:09.25 | Bateau | I use a SPI firewall for it, so it applies to everything in my lan, but most clients can do IP filtering |
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| 00:09.55 | Bateau | /ignore *!*@99.64.125.91 |
| 00:10.17 | jelly-hme | right until the troll cycles their ip |
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| 00:11.39 | Bateau | it's a open proxy (malware infected machine) being used, likely won't cycle any time soon |
| 00:11.45 | dockimble | those iso are not working |
| 00:11.49 | dockimble | those isos are not working |
| 00:11.50 | Bateau | he's been at it for at least a half hour on the same IP |
| 00:12.02 | dockimble | neither will pick up the ethernet card |
| 00:12.27 | stealth- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.30 | stealth- | opps :/ |
| 00:13.17 | jelly-hme | dockimble: how are they not working? |
| 00:13.42 | HatToTheSide | finally... |
| 00:13.44 | dockimble | they do not detect any network hardware |
| 00:14.06 | dockimble | do they need some special installation method to the SD card? |
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| 00:15.27 | dockimble | so aside from loading the iso to a sd card, what else needs to be done |
| 00:15.30 | jelly-hme | dockimble: when you're using that 2.6.32 iso image and modprobe atl2c manually, what happens in dmesg? |
| 00:15.51 | dockimble | i put the iso on a sd card and it boots from it |
| 00:16.06 | dockimble | and the network hardware detection phase comes up with nothing |
| 00:16.16 | jelly-hme | that's not what I'm asking, though. |
| 00:16.54 | dockimble | so what needs to be done, if i boot from that iso |
| 00:16.56 | dockimble | then what? |
| 00:17.30 | jelly-hme | dockimble: go to the console with the shell (ctrl-alt-f2 or f3, not sure), check dmesg, try modprobing the driver for your card manually, check dmesg again and see what kernel said |
| 00:18.10 | dockimble | fatal module atl2c not found |
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| 00:19.04 | jelly-hme | dockimble: whatever the correct module name is, see above |
| 00:19.25 | jelly-hme | judd: pciid 1969:1062 |
| 00:19.27 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
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| 00:19.53 | dockimble | still a fatal not found error |
| 00:20.29 | jelly-hme | dockimble: does "modinfo atl1c" work? |
| 00:20.41 | dockimble | not found |
| 00:20.49 | jelly-hme | dockimble: uname -r? |
| 00:21.15 | jelly-hme | !atl1c |
| 00:21.16 | dpkg | atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet (AR8131) and Fast Ethernet (AR8132) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline 4810T, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.30. Driver available in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <proposed-updates>. For support of these controllers during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and use lenny-custom-0116. |
| 00:21.21 | dockimble | 2.6.26 |
| 00:21.31 | jelly-hme | dockimble: that's not a kmuto image then |
| 00:22.11 | jelly-hme | dockimble: what's the exact "uname -r" output? |
| 00:22.19 | dockimble | ok, i'm going to ask how do i prepare an sd card from the top to boot with a kmuto image? |
| 00:22.39 | Lisamo | On Debian Squeeze w/ KVM+QEMU, I have a device "-device virtio-net-pci,vlan=0,id=net0,mac=52:54:00:22:dd:6c,bus=pci.0,addr=0x5 -net tap,fd=16,vlan=0,name=hostnet0" that I want to PXE boot from, when I use boot -n with that device defined it says "Cannot boot from non-existent NIC" so how do I define that device as the nic I want to boot from? |
| 00:22.47 | jelly-hme | dockimble: probably the same way you prepared this one? |
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| 00:26.57 | jhamlin_ | is there a nice writeup somewhere of how to set up so that I can use to monitors? I want to use my laptop screen plus another display connected to VGA. On debian lenny with kde |
| 00:27.05 | dockimble | well, lets say this one was wrong |
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| 00:27.20 | dockimble | what's the easiest way to set an sd card up from linux? |
| 00:28.08 | jelly-hme | how was it wrong, it booted and worked, didn't it? |
| 00:28.18 | jelly-hme | you just used the wrong image |
| 00:28.25 | dockimble | the installed kernel is 26 |
| 00:28.35 | dockimble | i put a 32 kernel on the card |
| 00:28.50 | dockimble | the machine currently has a 2.6.26 kernel on it |
| 00:28.58 | jelly-hme | how did you put it there? |
| 00:29.12 | dockimble | dragged the iso on the card |
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| 00:29.34 | dockimble | the same way i had for the previous installation |
| 00:29.37 | jelly-hme | how did you create the rest of the card's contents? |
| 00:29.47 | dockimble | program via windows |
| 00:30.00 | jelly-hme | use that same method again |
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| 00:31.57 | jelly-hme | only this time with boot.img.gz from kmuto for the initial filesystem, and with iso from kmuto, not just iso |
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| 00:35.47 | changedsoul | Can someone help me with trying to compile a package against a kernel I am not currently using? |
| 00:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, module-assistant |
| 00:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | -l option |
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| 00:54.14 | ech0Asus | why no skype? |
| 00:57.06 | streuner | ech0Asus: /msg dpkg skype |
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| 01:06.01 | kenjy | hi guys, Im using date +%B but I need the value in spanish, how can I do it? |
| 01:06.34 | kenjy | this don't work LANG=es date +%B |
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| 01:07.56 | xispirito | i want kde 4.3 on debian stable...it's possible? |
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| 01:09.37 | macrobat | ,versions kdebase-runtime |
| 01:09.39 | judd | kdebase-runtime -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-2; sid: 4:4.3.4-2; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-2; experimental: 4:4.4.2-1 |
| 01:09.55 | jelly-hme | kenjy: is "es" listed in "locale -a" output? |
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| 01:10.27 | macrobat | i guess kde4.3 isn't backported |
| 01:10.36 | xispirito | to run squeeze i just need change repositories? |
| 01:11.03 | jelly-hme | xispirito: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 01:11.25 | xispirito | great |
| 01:11.36 | kenjy | jelly-hme: no, how can I add spanish there? |
| 01:11.45 | jelly-hme | xispirito: that's by no means a simple process at the moment |
| 01:11.59 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell kenjy about locales |
| 01:12.15 | xispirito | jelly-hme, much unstable? |
| 01:12.34 | macrobat | xispirito: everything might not work in squeeze. you have to know about pkg management and bugs |
| 01:12.49 | jelly-hme | xispirito: the upgrade process is simply broken at the moment. /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
| 01:13.24 | kenjy | jelly-hme: this don't work http://wiki.debian.org/Locale because dpkg-reconfigure locales don't let me select them, just regenerate them |
| 01:13.39 | xispirito | good, stay in lenny X) |
| 01:13.59 | jelly-hme | kenjy: hm, what if you add -plow option for dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 01:14.31 | kenjy | jelly-hme: ups, I know the problem, this server its ubuntu based, sorry bothering here :$ |
| 01:14.51 | jelly-hme | kenjy: :-P |
| 01:15.36 | kenjy | jelly-hme: Im going to kill the guy who installed ubuntu in this server specially because he did not told me =) |
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| 01:19.59 | [4]cc | hi |
| 01:20.02 | jelly-hme | it's deceptively similar to Debian, isn't it |
| 01:20.15 | [4]cc | ubuntu |
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| 01:20.29 | [4]cc | are you chating about ubuntu ? |
| 01:21.03 | jelly-hme | yes |
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| 01:22.15 | [4]cc | debian is gona be here long after ubuntu passes away |
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| 01:23.02 | vsmatck | Little prophetic, that statement. |
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| 01:23.20 | Sneex | Where would be the place to start determining why having an encrypted system causes the SSH key to change with each reboot? |
| 01:23.45 | [4]cc | i hate ubuntu |
| 01:23.53 | [4]cc | and mark whats its name |
| 01:23.57 | pngwn | [4]cc, it's off topic in here |
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| 01:24.40 | [4]cc | we should go on oneway only journy into outer space |
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| 01:24.57 | Sneex | thru time at least huh |
| 01:25.04 | [4]cc | hehe |
| 01:26.30 | pngwn | [ |
| 01:27.31 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. Can anyone tell me offhand what architecture(s) is/are valid for the Atom processor? |
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| 01:27.45 | [4]cc | now days all i see its yet another ubuntu centric linux page |
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| 01:27.59 | Da_Wrecka | oh, just x86 apparently |
| 01:28.32 | Sneex | yeah, plain Intel |
| 01:28.52 | Sneex | almost a stepbackwards :P |
| 01:29.18 | [4]cc | arent there dual core atoms now |
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| 01:29.53 | Da_Wrecka | In fairness, last I checked the Atom was intended for low-power situations. |
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| 01:30.24 | Sneex | um, not sure I know DFI made a combined MoBNo last Nov that runs Atom and a Dual Code together -- you can have win and Deb at same time, no virt req |
| 01:30.27 | Da_Wrecka | Time to download the Debian businesscard image |
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| 01:30.28 | [4]cc | isnt that arm ? |
| 01:30.39 | Sneex | atom no |
| 01:30.41 | Da_Wrecka | the Atom? Apparently not |
| 01:30.47 | Da_Wrecka | Intel Atom is x86 apparently |
| 01:31.04 | Sneex | yes -- x86 simplified :P |
| 01:31.06 | [4]cc | atom = centrino ? |
| 01:31.11 | Sneex | sort of |
| 01:31.29 | Sneex | if you ant different go with Neo |
| 01:31.34 | Sneex | from HP |
| 01:31.39 | Da_Wrecka | The i386 image will still work on an Atom-based system, right? |
| 01:31.43 | Sneex | of a Sun system :P |
| 01:31.46 | Sneex | or a* |
| 01:33.01 | Da_Wrecka | ahh nuts, no mkdosfs on the netbook, oh well. I'll just have to fire up the laptop. |
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| 01:34.58 | jelly-hme | Da_Wrecka: i386 is the safe option for an atom, yes. Some newer ones have 64bit support, but the first generation didn't |
| 01:35.35 | Da_Wrecka | judging by the logo on the machine and Wikipedia, this one is pre-x64 |
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| 01:36.21 | Da_Wrecka | christ on a crutch. The battery on this netbook might as well not be there. |
| 01:36.51 | jelly-hme | Da_Wrecka: judge it by presence or absence of "lm" in flags: line of /proc/cpuinfo, not by the logo |
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| 01:37.09 | Da_Wrecka | It's been plugged into the mains for at least eight hours straight and it still won't power on without the mains adapter plugged in |
| 01:37.29 | Sneex | Im thinking its still runing windows :P |
| 01:37.55 | Da_Wrecka | This netbook? No, it's not |
| 01:38.10 | Da_Wrecka | But the OS it IS running is even worse than Windows |
| 01:38.21 | Sneex | :P |
| 01:38.57 | jelly-hme | couldn't be bothered to set up debian from the scratch _again_, so he installed ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 on the netbook |
| 01:39.07 | Da_Wrecka | jelly-hme: I'm looking for "lm" on its own under flags? |
| 01:39.23 | jelly-hme | Da_Wrecka: yes |
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| 01:39.38 | [4]cc | when is next debian version coming out ? |
| 01:39.49 | jelly-hme | !tell [4]cc about wwsr |
| 01:39.54 | Da_Wrecka | I've got lahf_lm but not lm alone |
| 01:40.05 | jelly-hme | Da_Wrecka: not 64bit. |
| 01:40.12 | Da_Wrecka | thought so |
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| 01:41.26 | Da_Wrecka | checks the size of the Ubuntu Netbook Remix "681MB? Farts." |
| 01:41.58 | ron_o | http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2010/0225_tech_muro.aspx |
| 01:42.26 | Da_Wrecka | well, I do have a 1GB SD card I could use, but it'd be a hassle to back the shit up |
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| 01:42.49 | dark | looking for a debian package for http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-latex/ |
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| 01:43.30 | Da_Wrecka | screw it, I'll go with the original plan and stick Debian on this |
| 01:43.41 | ron_o | dark, applications are getting so complicated! :) |
| 01:44.04 | dark | ron_o, there are a lot of pidgin plugins as pidgin-* packages |
| 01:45.00 | Sneex | Where would be the place to start determining why having an encrypted system causes the SSH key to change with each reboot? ? |
| 01:45.36 | jelly-hme | Sneex: ssh host key? |
| 01:45.59 | jelly-hme | Sneex: which debian release are you using? |
| 01:46.02 | Sneex | yep, each time I reboot and then ssh back the error is mim attack? |
| 01:46.08 | Sneex | lenny 5.0.4 |
| 01:46.15 | Sneex | latest |
| 01:46.36 | jelly-hme | Sneex: installed using official installer images? |
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| 01:47.15 | Sneex | yep, I messed it up trying to make a hybrid so I freformetd -- only this time I encrypted aall the laptop :P |
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| 01:47.39 | Sneex | boot up great ad work well -- exept the ssh thing :P |
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| 01:48.12 | jelly-hme | Sneex: I'd start by checking contents of /etc/ssh and adding some debugging in ssh init script |
| 01:48.29 | jelly-hme | also, enable bootlog |
| 01:48.32 | jelly-hme | !bootlog |
| 01:48.32 | dpkg | bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 01:48.38 | Sneex | k |
| 01:49.07 | Sneex | its OK so long as I never reboot XD But, this is a laptop LOL |
| 01:49.14 | Sneex | I'll check into it more :) |
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| 01:50.35 | jelly-hme | if you'd used some weird debian-based livecd for installation, I'd have guessed they messed with ssh init script. But you didn't, so there. |
| 01:51.17 | Sneex | No, Um, I originally had Etch and I tried to shoe horn testing into it :P But I went ahead and reformatted it all |
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| 01:51.43 | Sneex | so its a stock lenny with encrypted drive |
| 01:52.22 | Sneex | I have been known to break stuff but I usually see reason soon :) |
| 01:53.17 | jelly-hme | I'd stick set -x into the init script and try to see if suspicious things happen |
| 01:53.43 | Sneex | rebooting :P brb |
| 01:54.57 | Sneex | Hmm, I might still be here; I am on more than one system and I cant remember which I started IRC on :P |
| 01:56.03 | jelly-hme | might not be here |
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| 01:59.05 | Sneex | OK, that generated a ton of stuf; so I will go stift thru it all; Thx :) |
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| 02:00.07 | thrice` | hi; I need to install debian for an application. I wanted to use the net install method from usb. I grabbed the boot.img.gz, zcat'd it to a usb stick, and copied the install ISO over. when I attempt to boot, the laptop simply gives "Boot error" without any further message |
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| 02:32.12 | scientes | what command installs all the essential packages? |
| 02:33.29 | PARLIAMENT | do you mean apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:33.38 | scientes | no essential to a running system |
| 02:33.50 | scientes | its emdebian so it doesn't warn you |
| 02:33.54 | scientes | and i lost some of them |
| 02:35.34 | scientes | like should i have hal installed on a server? |
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| 02:36.07 | thrice` | argh, I can't get this to boot regardless of what I try |
| 02:36.26 | scientes | init=/bin/sh |
| 02:36.41 | thrice` | I'm trying to boot the installer from a usb stick |
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| 02:36.48 | scientes | where does it get to? |
| 02:36.58 | thrice` | it doesn't get anywhere, just "Boot error" |
| 02:37.05 | scientes | probably the computer |
| 02:37.12 | scientes | try it on another computer |
| 02:37.17 | thrice` | o_O |
| 02:37.20 | scientes | some cant boot usb |
| 02:37.25 | thrice` | it's not |
| 02:37.36 | thrice` | I just boot arch's usb installer to confirm the stick works |
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| 02:40.57 | scientes | hmm |
| 02:41.04 | scientes | how you installing to usb? |
| 02:41.09 | scientes | i always use unetbootin |
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| 02:59.32 | Neo|Desktop | hey guys, i need some help with bind rndc configuration, it doesn't seem to be going well, can anyone help? |
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| 03:03.12 | stealth- | I'm trying to access my encrypted USB stick on a new debian install, however the gnome popup just keeps prompting me over and over again. Dmesg isn't saying anything interesting, and I already downloaded the "cryptsetup" package..... What else am I missing? |
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| 03:12.52 | Oleg | if I installed lenny, could I convert it to sid? |
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| 03:15.06 | adb | why ? |
| 03:15.28 | liable | shits and giggles |
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| 03:16.50 | Oleg | why not? just want to see if it could be done |
| 03:17.00 | adb | !sid |
| 03:17.00 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:18.40 | Oleg | wstill doesn't answer my qiestion, if I wanted to upgrade an ubuntu install from one release to another I could, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way |
| 03:18.49 | Oleg | for me, lenny and sid are just releases |
| 03:19.17 | et | !sid upgrade |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 03:20.11 | Oleg | a simple no would have worked |
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| 03:20.16 | Oleg | but thanks for the long answer |
| 03:20.19 | et | and it would be wrong |
| 03:20.46 | et | but the reason noone tells you how is kind of in the first one |
| 03:21.09 | et | if you don't know how, then you shouldn't, and people here don't want to solve your problems once you do |
| 03:21.28 | et | like a firefighter won't give a kid a lighter ;) |
| 03:22.19 | xsdg | et: that's a heck of a first line to see after switching to this window :oP |
| 03:22.41 | peterrooney | !not our problem |
| 03:22.41 | dpkg | Your trouble with dpkg, apt-get, aptitude etc is not our problem if you are not using Debian. Just because these tools started in Debian doesn't mean that others haven't heavily modified them (Ubuntu's patch against dpkg is 650kB!) or that the fault is not with their packages. Anything other than Debian is off-topic in #debian. |
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| 03:24.03 | liable | Oleg: of course, yes, its possible. we just dont suggest it unless you can work around borkage. |
| 03:24.43 | Oleg | I don't care if it works after, just want to know if it could be done |
| 03:25.04 | liable | yes |
| 03:25.13 | smacnay | Oleg, listen to these wise people - borkage is commonplace in sid (mostly to small degrees bu sometimes to larger ones). |
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| 03:25.53 | Oleg | smacnay, oh I have no desire to switch, believe me, I LOVE stable software |
| 03:26.21 | smacnay | Oleg, for example, icedove 3.0 in sid breaks the lightning and enigmail extensions... |
| 03:26.22 | Oleg | just trying out debain and wanted to learn a few things |
| 03:26.40 | smacnay | if you want to live on the edge on a non-production machine, have fun. |
| 03:27.59 | Oleg | rather not |
| 03:28.18 | smacnay | I guess if fixing problems is fun, sid is the sandbox. |
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| 03:28.27 | Oleg | but I want to use nmap version 5, but all I can install is 4.62 |
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| 03:28.40 | Oleg | besides using sources |
| 03:28.47 | smacnay | ah, that is the bummer part of stable - takes some time for packages to be released. |
| 03:28.52 | smacnay | exactly |
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| 03:30.50 | Oleg | and why is postgresql installed instead of mysql? |
| 03:31.02 | Oleg | recent mysql issues and sun buying it? |
| 03:31.16 | smacnay | not a question I can answer... |
| 03:31.28 | tensorpudding | How might I figure out what package owns a particular file? |
| 03:31.46 | Oleg | smacnay, alight, thanks anyways |
| 03:31.50 | wols | tensorpudding: dpkg -S <file> |
| 03:32.09 | wols | ,versions nmap |
| 03:32.11 | judd | nmap -- etch: 4.11-1; etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.00-3; squeeze: 5.00-3 |
| 03:32.20 | wols | Oleg: install the backport then |
| 03:32.52 | tensorpudding | The file itself isn't extant on my system, that is the problem. |
| 03:33.03 | wols | tensorpudding: packages.debian.org |
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| 03:35.54 | tensorpudding | Okay, the file I need is definitely supposed to be included with the package I installed, except...it's not here |
| 03:36.24 | Oleg | wols, backports.org/debian lenny-backports? |
| 03:36.25 | wols | what file exactly? |
| 03:36.38 | tensorpudding | 00debian-vars.el |
| 03:36.43 | wols | Oleg: go to backports.org and read. it's all explained there |
| 03:39.24 | wols | tensorpudding: could it be a confmiss? |
| 03:39.47 | tensorpudding | A what? |
| 03:39.53 | wols | !confmiss |
| 03:39.54 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 03:41.15 | tensorpudding | Oh hey, that works. |
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| 04:06.16 | cmyers | hey all, am I crazy, or am I missing something? I am trying to use live-helper to build a USB image which supports i686 from my x86_64 debian box, following hte directions here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FirstStepsUSB |
| 04:06.33 | cmyers | but it creates an x86_64 image which won't boot and I don't see an easy way to pass args to debootstrap |
| 04:06.41 | adb | !live |
| 04:06.41 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:07.58 | cmyers | adb: thanks, I will read that and follow up with #debian-live if I have further problems |
| 04:08.37 | adb | yw |
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| 04:14.31 | andrei | Is there some way of converting the Packages file from deb repositories into some machine readable format? Like say xml? |
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| 04:20.17 | adb | andrei, nu prea e clar ce vrei .. |
| 04:21.36 | Bop | andrei, u dont make any sense ... |
| 04:22.46 | andrei | Well, I don't want to write a parser for Packages files |
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| 04:29.07 | Bop | andrei, why not learn the deb package way ? |
| 04:29.21 | peterrooney | andrei: perl -e ' $/="\n\n" {do some stuff}' < Packages_file |
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| 05:03.07 | liable | hugs debhelper |
| 05:05.48 | simonrvn | seriously needs to fix that.... |
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| 05:35.10 | k\t | err: $xset +fp /usr/lib/X11/fonts ... xset: bad font path element (#23)... =\ |
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| 06:08.51 | Daemonik | Is nilfs reliable? |
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| 06:26.44 | tvstebut | Hello |
| 06:27.07 | tvstebut | I don't understand why my debian lenny serverdoesn't answer to arp request :/ |
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| 06:28.46 | tvstebut | Though my machine doesn' route ne request neither |
| 06:29.29 | Daemonik | What would be the best filesystem to use on a softRAID mode 50 array across 8 7,200rpm disks? |
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| 06:34.06 | vsmatck | Daemonik: There's no answer to that question. It's relative to what you mean by best. If you're not too particular I'd go with the default (ext3). |
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| 06:36.10 | Daemonik | vsmatck, I've decided to go with ext4. |
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| 06:36.32 | Daemonik | vsmatck, But yes, I did consider ext3. |
| 06:37.09 | olorin_ | ext4 will make the transistion to btrfs easier, so a good choice IMHO. |
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| 06:41.06 | olorin_ | Daemonik: File systems have pro and cons depending on field of usage. I can only suggest reading up on the subject. |
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| 07:20.21 | catchme | hi, is there a way (command) to verify that all packages on a debian 5.0.4 system that should be installed are installed and all md5sums are correct? |
| 07:20.54 | catchme | quite a few deleted files were restored and now I want to verify if everything is like it should be |
| 07:21.30 | catchme | oh and don't tell me about backups, this was a test system that had no backup yets... :) |
| 07:21.46 | catchme | -s |
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| 07:27.35 | simonrvn | debsums |
| 07:27.39 | peterrooney | catchme: there's no way to tell what should be installed or shouldn't except your (external) runbook. |
| 07:27.39 | simonrvn | debsum |
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| 07:28.03 | peterrooney | as for "is everything here", simonrvn beat me to it. |
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| 07:28.26 | catchme | peterrooney: well, I think/hope the aptitude database is correct.. |
| 07:29.00 | peterrooney | IIRC, there's a few packages that generate files during installation, and debsums can't catch those files. |
| 07:29.29 | catchme | hm...I'll see |
| 07:29.30 | peterrooney | you could always --reinstall |
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| 07:29.39 | catchme | maybe I should reinstall...yeah |
| 07:30.12 | peterrooney | i mean, run something like aptitude --reinstall install * |
| 07:30.23 | simonrvn | aptitude reinstall foo |
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| 07:30.37 | simonrvn | apt-get has the --reinstall syntax |
| 07:31.47 | dutchfish | running git on /etc and backup your aptitude db with a cronjob is how i coop with that |
| 07:32.03 | simonrvn | etckeeper dude ;) |
| 07:32.13 | dutchfish | simonrvn: exactly |
| 07:32.20 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 07:32.52 | catchme | normally this would not have happened, but some person I work with has run rsync --delete in the wrong folder...! |
| 07:32.59 | peterrooney | dpkg --get-selections for me. |
| 07:32.59 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, peterrooney |
| 07:33.24 | catchme | (yes, he's sys admin and was allowed to do that :) |
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| 07:35.28 | simonrvn | oh no, what a mistake. ouch. |
| 07:36.32 | dutchfish | i never give a system out of my hands without a backup [period] |
| 07:37.51 | catchme | yeah, hm, it was the testing system we set up to copy it over to the production system when we've made sure everything works as expected |
| 07:38.08 | catchme | well, worst case would then be to set it up again (or better said: He'll do it then ;) |
| 07:38.19 | dutchfish | catchme: ;) |
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| 07:39.15 | dutchfish | catchme: and 'he' should have made a backup beofr ehe started ;) |
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| 07:39.49 | dutchfish | anyway, i think we safely cna conclude he learned the lesson |
| 07:40.12 | catchme | I've used the --delete command also without making a backup before, you just have to think two or three times before hitting enter :o |
| 07:40.24 | catchme | (on that system) |
| 07:40.33 | dutchfish | don't |
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| 07:41.04 | osfd | Hi there. I've been running a stable since it's been released. I'd like to go to testing. I guess it's pretty stable now. |
| 07:41.11 | catchme | *shrug* we use it to sync the old data from the production system to the new one |
| 07:41.30 | catchme | but yeah, lesson learned I think |
| 07:41.58 | osfd | shal anyone confirm please. |
| 07:42.38 | wols | osfd: confirm it's "pretty stable now"? negative |
| 07:42.40 | dutchfish | osfd: read about testing, if this is a production system: don't |
| 07:43.05 | wols | !tell osfd about testing |
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| 07:44.00 | osfd | wols: this is my personnal computer, not a production machine. I know it's less stable than Stable... |
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| 07:44.42 | wols | osfd: "stable" doesn't mean what you think it means |
| 07:45.09 | olorin_ | Tell him about it then... |
| 07:45.15 | osfd | wols: say more |
| 07:46.57 | dutchfish | osfd: you should ask yourself do i have a good reason to do so? If not stick to stable; read about bpo also if you only want a small piece of newer software |
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| 07:48.04 | osfd | dutchfish: mostly I want a recent texlive, recent vlc |
| 07:48.15 | olorin_ | It's not "unstable" as in stability, it just means that the packages isn't frozen yet, as in only receiving updates, etc. |
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| 07:49.22 | osfd | olorin_: alright, I got that |
| 07:49.44 | osfd | olorin_: somehow that also affect stability |
| 07:50.22 | olorin_ | osfd: I can't see a problem with running it on your home computer, as long as you treat it like what it is and keep Stable on production systems. |
| 07:51.03 | olorin_ | osfd: Of course, but maybe not too much. |
| 07:51.06 | dutchfish | !tell osfd about bpo |
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| 07:52.27 | osfd | dutchfish: I know about backpors |
| 07:52.35 | dutchfish | ok |
| 07:52.47 | nsadmin | backpores? |
| 07:52.51 | nsadmin | hmm :) |
| 07:53.18 | olorin_ | Yes, the pores you have on your back... |
| 07:53.26 | nsadmin | ahh :) |
| 07:53.31 | olorin_ | :-p |
| 07:53.35 | osfd | ooohhhh I know why I don't wanna go to testing...kde4 |
| 07:53.56 | osfd | I like kde3 |
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| 07:54.53 | osfd | hhmm, I'll have to find a way to get a recent vlc and a recent texlive |
| 07:55.15 | nsadmin | tex is pretty much frozen |
| 07:55.30 | nsadmin | I don't think Knuth is doing anything new with it |
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| 07:55.44 | olorin_ | osfd: Dislike KDE4 all you want, KDE3 is dead and #4 is very good indeed. |
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| 07:56.27 | osfd | olorin_: did I say anything wring about it ? just said I do personnaly prefer kde3 |
| 07:56.59 | olorin_ | osfd: Just FYI, nothing harsh meant. |
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| 07:57.22 | osfd | olorin_: ok ok |
| 07:57.38 | wols | osfd: the facroid dpkg gave you has all the info you need |
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| 07:58.41 | nsadmin | you spel facroid wring! |
| 07:58.46 | olorin_ | osfd: :-) |
| 07:59.05 | olorin_ | nsadmin: Backfire... |
| 07:59.23 | nsadmin | my backpores are backfiring! |
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| 08:00.18 | nsadmin | that should make it easier to go forward... |
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| 08:00.40 | Azeotrope | I have a wireless access point made with hostapd 0.7.1 on kernel 2.6.33.2. I can see this AP but I can't connect to it whatever I'd do. I get these in the hostapd logfile http://pastebin.org/146618 Also, if i run hostapd in debug mode i get: http://pastebin.org/146620 (it deautheticates me suddenly). Any ideea? |
| 08:04.17 | dutchfish | Azeotrope: is the AP WPA/WPA2 are solely WPA ? |
| 08:04.37 | dutchfish | s/are/or |
| 08:04.56 | nsadmin | I might wanna do an ap, but I bought one |
| 08:05.48 | babilen | osfd: You can install texlive 2009 easily in /usr/local with their excellent tlmgr package manager. http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html |
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| 08:08.41 | osfd | babilen: I heard about that, I'm just affraid about the variables not correctly set |
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| 08:09.05 | nsadmin | why are you looking to upgrade tex |
| 08:09.18 | osfd | babilen: I was even thinking removing the texlive from repos and then go to 2k9 |
| 08:09.22 | babilen | osfd: I've used texlive 2009 for quite some time in that setup. You just have to set some PATHs and you are done. It works great :) |
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| 08:10.13 | babilen | osfd: But what is your motivation in upgrading tex? I had to, due to some horrible font issues I ran into ... (OTF wasn't working that beautifully with xetex) |
| 08:10.15 | osfd | nsadmin: mostly to have newer packages and some stuff related to tikz (tikzcircuit, pgfplots) I know I can manually install them... |
| 08:10.50 | dutchfish | Azeotrope: I have seen simular behavior with my AP, wich i solved by pinning the AP to either WPA or WPA2, not both. I have not (yet) discovered why. |
| 08:10.50 | nsadmin | the tikz can't use the older tex? |
| 08:11.27 | osfd | babilen: the PATH, I don't know how to set that |
| 08:12.26 | nsadmin | export PATH=/dir/ectory:/ano/ther/dir:/all/these/dirs/contain/executables |
| 08:12.37 | osfd | babilen: and the texlive don't say so much |
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| 08:13.09 | babilen | osfd: texlive is rarely talking ... It whispered sometimes when I was finishing my thesis though |
| 08:13.38 | nsadmin | but the debian packaged one sets itself up so that the executables are in dirs that are (most likely) already in your path |
| 08:13.40 | osfd | nsadmin: hhmm, I get the point, I have to fit it to my case |
| 08:13.59 | osfd | babilen: you french ? |
| 08:14.20 | nsadmin | export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin is good enough for plain users |
| 08:14.47 | osfd | nsadmin: given the already set path, if I just uninstall texlive2k7 and install 2k9, I should be good |
| 08:14.50 | nsadmin | notice that PATH contains dirs separated by colons |
| 08:14.58 | osfd | and if not, I might have to search a little |
| 08:15.09 | babilen | osfd: No I am not - If you somehow think that the manual installation is too hard for you, you might want to reconsider that. There are installation intructions online and it's actually a pretty straightforward process |
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| 08:15.40 | nsadmin | yeah, PATH is very basic to unix, you generally learn it in the third week |
| 08:16.49 | nsadmin | and btw, after knowing what to set the PATH to, you want to make it so your shell has PATH set for it every time a shell starts |
| 08:17.16 | babilen | Once you are done, you need to set the following paths: http://paste.debian.net/68362/ |
| 08:17.36 | nsadmin | there are files that live in your home dir and in /etc that shells read when they start up |
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| 08:17.46 | nsadmin | as far as which files they read when, |
| 08:17.50 | nsadmin | man bash |
| 08:17.55 | nsadmin | look for FILES section |
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| 08:19.05 | babilen | osfd: That assumes that you are running amd64 ... I would just like to note that I will _not_ support a third-party texlive installation here. Just wanted to mention it - *I* think it's not hard, but that might be different for you |
| 08:23.06 | bossy-boss2 | Does any one know how to play .aif files in iceweasel? I installed mplayerplug-in, but checked that it doesn't support .aif format. so whenever i knok the website whick includes this kind of file, I can't here any sound. Does anyone have some sort of solution or replacement? |
| 08:23.37 | bossy-boss2 | I also checked mozilla-plugin-vlc too, it doesn't support either. |
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| 08:25.53 | osfd | babilen: ok ok, I |
| 08:26.13 | osfd | babilen: I'll have to do some more reading before upgrading |
| 08:26.42 | osfd | nsadmin: PATH might be basic, I've never had to play with it |
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| 08:28.04 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: what version of vlc are you running? On my debian lenny system is runs fine with the mozilla-plugin |
| 08:28.14 | nsadmin | osfd: ok, good enough... but you should look into the unix tutorials and get familiar with as much of the basics as you can (and at first most of those will involve the shell) |
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| 08:28.59 | bossy-boss2 | Just from the lenny depository |
| 08:29.21 | olorin_ | dutchfish: Gstreamer or libxine? |
| 08:29.28 | nsadmin | osfd: maybe you'll be glad you did... (but periodically ask yourself "what is the highest, best use of my time") |
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| 08:30.06 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: paste me the version please, and have you tried reconfiguring vlc yet? |
| 08:30.21 | osfd | nsadmin: the highest is biking but I can't help myself I have to do some latex (also for work purpose...) |
| 08:30.34 | bossy-boss2 | my vlc version is 0.8.6, i didn't reconfigure it |
| 08:30.40 | nsadmin | you can wear latex and bike at the same time! |
| 08:30.41 | osfd | nsadmin: and I'll have a llok |
| 08:30.51 | osfd | nsadmin: ;) |
| 08:31.41 | olorin_ | Well, it's a bit hard to wear LaTeX, but you could use the book as an helmet. |
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| 08:31.49 | bossy-boss2 | i just apt-get install it, and see the about:plugins info in iceweasel |
| 08:31.50 | Azeotrope | dutchfish: i had WPA2, then both, now i have no encryption and still the same |
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| 08:32.14 | nsadmin | or you can obtain a friend... there is a book called "The Latex Companion"... |
| 08:32.40 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: yes, that should normally do it |
| 08:32.59 | dutchfish | Azeotrope: have you tried WPA solely? |
| 08:33.29 | bossy-boss2 | wpa solely? I didn't try |
| 08:33.37 | bossy-boss2 | sorry |
| 08:33.46 | bossy-boss2 | to wrong person |
| 08:33.58 | olorin_ | nsadmin: Leslie Lamport set one in LaTeX explaining the formatting system, dunno if that was the title. Sounds more like O'Reilly to me. |
| 08:34.31 | nsadmin | not sure Latex Companion is ora |
| 08:34.55 | olorin_ | Using the LaTeX TeX frontend, to be precise. |
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| 08:36.18 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: does it play those files from disk? |
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| 08:38.53 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: if yes, check your plugin/browser settings (the most likely course) |
| 08:39.03 | bossy-boss2 | Can mozilla-plugin-vlc can play as much file formats as vlc itself? I don't think so, maybe .aif in browser is an exeption |
| 08:39.26 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: i dont't not for sure, but it can play aiff |
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| 08:40.04 | bossy-boss2 | I checked the about:plugins in iceweasel, vlc lists many supported formats, but it doesn't include audio/x-aiff |
| 08:40.29 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: not true: http://wiki.videolan.org/Container |
| 08:40.56 | olorin_ | How about extending VLC with ffmpeg? |
| 08:41.27 | bossy-boss2 | extending? i never tried |
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| 08:42.32 | olorin_ | Should support more codecs, as long as you have support libs installed. |
| 08:42.37 | bossy-boss2 | successfully |
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| 08:44.45 | bossy-boss2 | dutchfish, i checked wiki.videolan.org/container, i means vlc can play aiff files, but mozilla-plugin-vlc can? |
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| 08:46.18 | dbbolton | i installed a plugin by copying a .so file to /isr/lib/mozilla/plugins, and then to ~/.mozilla/plugins, but iceweasel doesn't see that it is installed. |
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| 08:47.16 | olorin_ | dbbolton: Is it the correct architecture? |
| 08:48.01 | bossy-boss2 | There is a registering process |
| 08:48.27 | dbbolton | olorin_: i don't know. there was only one tarball listed |
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| 08:48.54 | olorin_ | dbbolton: Try to inspect the file with "file". |
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| 08:50.07 | dbbolton | olorin_: it is 32 bit, and i am running debian amd64 |
| 08:50.22 | olorin_ | dbbolton: Install nspluginwrapper. |
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| 08:51.48 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: it should work, if you configure the browser accordingly: http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=blob;f=modules/demux/aiff.c;h=ca540d4ecea74eb1a717a9c43e4b55f3a7e86878;hb=e8350fda365f39b2a023193507323c6cd092e9f7 |
| 08:52.54 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: but there are alternatives |
| 08:53.01 | bossy-boss2 | may be my vlc-plugin is too old from the stable repository, I'll try a newly version, thanks dutchfish |
| 08:53.27 | bossy-boss2 | and what alernatives? |
| 08:54.16 | olorin_ | totem-mozilla, mplayerplugin and codecs pack, etc. |
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| 08:55.10 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: this is a nice test page for it btw http://www-eng-x.llnl.gov/documents/tests/aiff.html |
| 08:57.06 | olorin_ | dutchfish: They should update the information for Unices... |
| 08:58.10 | dutchfish | olorin_: ;) |
| 08:59.17 | olorin_ | dutchfish: Hehe. |
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| 08:59.41 | bossy-boss2 | thanks, dutchfish, olorin_, I'll try newly vlc-plugin and totem-mozilla, guys. I must off now, Maybe can see you next time |
| 09:00.04 | dutchfish | bossy-boss2: gl |
| 09:00.35 | bossy-boss2 | bye, guys |
| 09:00.39 | bossy-boss2 | \quit |
| 09:00.40 | dutchfish | olorin_: i use it only for quick testing, the test files are good |
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| 09:04.46 | dockimble | hello - i have a compaq mini netbook and need help installing debian from an sd card |
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| 09:05.23 | dockimble | i download an iso with the 2.6.32 kernel, but it still states it doesnt have the driver for my ethernet (ath1c) |
| 09:05.41 | wols | dockimble: atl1c, not h |
| 09:06.04 | wols | which ISO did you download exactly? |
| 09:06.33 | dockimble | lenny-0116 from the japanese fellows site |
| 09:06.46 | liable | hehe |
| 09:07.20 | dockimble | still, i run modprobe atl1c and nothing is found |
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| 09:08.00 | Neo|Desktop | hey guys, they folks in #bind are dead, so i'm asking here.. does anyone happen to know what NOTAUTH implies on a slave zone? |
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| 09:08.15 | wols | dockimble: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 09:08.42 | wols | dockimble: and what is the PCI ID of your network chip? |
| 09:08.44 | dockimble | not found |
| 09:08.55 | wols | dockimble: not found what? |
| 09:09.01 | dockimble | 1969:1062 |
| 09:09.11 | wols | ,pciid 1969:1062 |
| 09:09.12 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
| 09:09.13 | dockimble | the /sbin |
| 09:09.28 | wols | dockimble: ifconfig MUST show at least your loopback |
| 09:09.52 | dockimble | im in the install program |
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| 09:10.02 | dockimble | im just trying to install debian at this point |
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| 09:10.54 | dockimble | for lack of an ethernet driver it isnt working |
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| 09:11.14 | wols | dockimble: netinst installer does not need a ethernet driver |
| 09:11.39 | dockimble | then how am i supposed to connect to a server |
| 09:11.59 | wols | what do you need to connect to one for? |
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| 09:12.51 | dockimble | ok, it says a driver for your hardware is not available, and i need to load them from removable media |
| 09:13.29 | wols | how do you boot? |
| 09:13.53 | dockimble | i-m trying to install debian on my netbook from a sd card |
| 09:14.02 | dockimble | and that would require a net connection |
| 09:14.39 | dockimble | as the build from the japanese site that i was suggested here, the one with the 2.6.32 kernel, will not install on its own |
| 09:14.47 | wols | do you have a /lib/modules? |
| 09:14.55 | dockimble | i dont know |
| 09:14.59 | dockimble | it isnt installed yet |
| 09:14.59 | wols | then check? |
| 09:15.05 | dockimble | i just did |
| 09:15.08 | dockimble | it is blank |
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| 09:15.29 | dockimble | is there somewhere i can download a driver for atl1c? |
| 09:15.31 | wols | but you do have an installer running? |
| 09:15.34 | dockimble | yes |
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| 09:15.39 | dockimble | installer is running |
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| 09:17.07 | wols | dockimble: do you have a USB stick with at least 512MB capacity? |
| 09:17.13 | dockimble | yes |
| 09:17.19 | wols | !tell dockimble about usb install |
| 09:17.27 | dockimble | i am installing from a 4gb sd card |
| 09:17.27 | wols | then do use that. no network necessary |
| 09:17.49 | wols | is a SD card an usb stick? |
| 09:17.58 | dockimble | the problem is that in the end atl1c is STILL not supported by debian, not with that kernel |
| 09:18.06 | dockimble | a SD card |
| 09:18.23 | wols | dockimble: the problem is that you are wrong. it is supported. but for some reason or other your /lib/modules is blank |
| 09:18.33 | wols | but the driver is supposed to be in /lib/modules |
| 09:18.35 | dockimble | so what is the answer |
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| 09:18.44 | wols | dockimble: what did you download from kmuto? urls please |
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| 09:19.20 | dockimble | http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso |
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| 09:21.10 | wols | that is all you downloaded? |
| 09:21.48 | dockimble | ii used unetbootin to set it up on the card from windows |
| 09:22.03 | nsadmin | in postgres, how would I say "function_returning_bool(pa,ra,ms) = true" |
| 09:22.09 | wols | we don't support unetbootin, cause it causes lots of crappy errors like this one |
| 09:22.12 | azeem | nsadmin: that's off topic here |
| 09:22.20 | dockimble | ok, so what is the solution |
| 09:22.29 | wols | dpkg already gave you the solution |
| 09:22.29 | dpkg | wols: i haven't a clue |
| 09:22.44 | wols | about 5 minutes ago. check your private messages |
| 09:23.19 | dockimble | does the default iso support atl1c offhand_ |
| 09:23.41 | wols | yes it does. as does your current one. you just didn't use it right |
| 09:23.48 | wols | cause you use the same iso as you use now |
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| 09:24.02 | dockimble | ok, can that be done from windows? |
| 09:24.05 | wols | and you need the hd-media AND the ISO |
| 09:24.13 | dockimble | or does one need to use another linux machine |
| 09:24.26 | wols | dockimble: I'm curious, what kernel do you use right now? uname -r tells you |
| 09:24.45 | dockimble | im typing from a windows machine |
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| 09:25.13 | niklaswe | hmm i have create an xen guest.. now when i trying to start it with xm start <name> it says that the machine doesn't exist.. |
| 09:25.26 | wols | dockimble: where do you get your kernel for your current install attempt? cause the ISO you linked has no kernel you can boot frm |
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| 09:26.22 | dockimble | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:26.41 | wols | dockimble: that's not what I asked. I asked about what bootfloppies you used |
| 09:26.49 | dockimble | bootfloppies? |
| 09:27.12 | wols | well, you follow the link dpkg gave you and use bot the hd-media and the netinst iso part of kmuto then you're fine |
| 09:27.29 | wols | and no, if you do it right, you do not need a network connection to install a minimal debian |
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| 09:29.37 | Smiley | hum. My startx doesn't load and I can't see any errors :< |
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| 09:31.28 | wols | Smiley: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should have them |
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| 09:32.32 | dockimble | ok, now in linux - what was that link you sent before? |
| 09:32.56 | Smiley | http://yourpaste.net/5131 |
| 09:32.58 | Smiley | checks |
| 09:33.40 | niklaswe | hmm i have create an xen guest.. now when i trying to start it with xm start <name> it says that the machine doesn't exist.. |
| 09:34.06 | Smiley | Hummmm, wols I still dont see any errors in that log files, There is a fair few warnings. But I'm not sure what im looking for. |
| 09:34.42 | Smiley | Maybe I need to configure xorg :< |
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| 09:37.37 | dockimble | how does one quickly tell what /dev listing a usb stick is at? |
| 09:37.53 | Smiley | dockimble: check dmsg |
| 09:37.58 | Smiley | dmesg even |
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| 09:39.43 | dockimble | i'm trying to run sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 09:39.49 | dockimble | and it won't let me |
| 09:39.57 | littleme | hi |
| 09:40.36 | ma3x | why do i get this from m-a: bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found ...... i have linux -> linux-headers-2.6.33 |
| 09:40.37 | babilen | won't let you? |
| 09:40.44 | dockimble | it says permission denied |
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| 09:40.52 | babilen | dockimble: run it as root |
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| 09:41.11 | rom1v | hi |
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| 09:41.36 | rom1v | I would like to install debian sid, I "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb", that's ok, but now I need a .iso, which one should I take |
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| 09:41.52 | rom1v | (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en end of 4.3.1) |
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| 09:42.13 | diagnostics | hi! Ultimate Boot CD is almost 3 years old, can anyone recommend me a currently developed stable alternative? |
| 09:42.17 | babilen | use the netinstall images |
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| 09:42.50 | rom1v | babilen, I took boot.img.gz from here : http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ where are "netinstall images"? |
| 09:43.20 | babilen | rom1v: or whatever ISO you want - just make sure that the boot.img.gz architecture and release match |
| 09:43.32 | rom1v | mini.iso is ok? |
| 09:43.45 | rom1v | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ? |
| 09:43.47 | babilen | !tell rom1v -about weekly builds |
| 09:44.07 | rom1v | ? |
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| 09:44.39 | babilen | rom1v: and still: Don't install with an unstable installer. Use the stable installer and upgrade to sid afterwards. Do you have a specific reason why you want to run an unsupported development branch of Debian? |
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| 09:44.56 | dockimble | what is the best way to wipe an sd card? |
| 09:45.00 | rom1v | I want up to date softwares |
| 09:45.30 | babilen | !sns |
| 09:45.30 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 09:45.45 | babilen | rom1v: *At least* use testing ... |
| 09:45.51 | babilen | !tell rom1v -about backports |
| 09:45.58 | babilen | !tell rom1v about testing |
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| 09:46.08 | babilen | !tell rom1v about sid |
| 09:46.28 | babilen | rom1v: Good luck |
| 09:47.16 | dockimble | how do you format a usb stick from the command line |
| 09:48.06 | babilen | dockimble: The zcat should do that for you - if you want you can "cat /dev/zero > /dev/whatever" (or use /dev/random) |
| 09:48.32 | dockimble | to clear the whole thing out? |
| 09:48.55 | babilen | dockimble: yeah, but the step in which you "zcat boot.img.gz" should already take care of that |
| 09:49.00 | dockimble | ok |
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| 09:49.30 | dockimble | ok, i tried to boot from the kmuto iso, and i got a kernel panic error |
| 09:49.54 | Smiley | Hummmm, wols I still dont see any errors in that log files, There is a fair few warnings. But I'm not sure what im looking for. |
| 09:50.05 | Smiley | WHoops didn't meant ot highlight you then :< |
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| 09:51.59 | dockimble | what does a kernel panic error mean? |
| 09:52.34 | AimHere | Trouble |
| 09:52.57 | dockimble | i gathered that much |
| 09:53.14 | AimHere | It means that the linux kernel itself can't handle what it's being made to try to do, so your computer just has to stop. |
| 09:54.01 | AimHere | Last kernel panics I had were just misconfigured drivers or initrd files when compiling my own kernel |
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| 10:00.57 | rom1v | babilen, so, for the moment, I am downloading boot.img.gz of lenny, then I will upgrade to testing |
| 10:01.14 | rom1v | but I need a .iso for installing (on step 3 during install) |
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| 10:01.31 | rom1v | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 10:01.35 | rom1v | there is no .iso |
| 10:01.48 | rom1v | and in weekly-builds, there are 50 .iso CD1 CD2 â¦â¦ |
| 10:02.01 | bezprym | Anybody seen that ? http://qubes-os.org |
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| 10:05.10 | babilen | rom1v: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:05.44 | babilen | rom1v: Do you have internet connection during the installation? |
| 10:05.58 | rom1v | but there are 31 cd of 700M !! |
| 10:06.05 | rom1v | yes |
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| 10:06.15 | babilen | rom1v: How do you connect? |
| 10:06.29 | rom1v | ethernet |
| 10:06.37 | babilen | rom1v: Use the netinst image then |
| 10:08.03 | rom1v | Where are they? I am on http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst , I choose the second section (usb sticks), amd64, there is no .is |
| 10:08.05 | rom1v | .iso |
| 10:08.39 | rom1v | (debian.org is a labyrinth) |
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| 10:10.01 | babilen | rom1v: I just gave you the link |
| 10:10.46 | rom1v | ah yes there is -netinst.iso, I haven't seen |
| 10:11.31 | rom1v | I still would like to know, how to, from debian.org, arrive on your link? |
| 10:12.03 | rom1v | from : http://www.debian.org/distrib/ I want to click on "Download a small image file, record it to a CD/DVD/USB disk/floppy, and install using the Internet." |
| 10:12.05 | rom1v | then? |
| 10:12.20 | rom1v | tiny cd, floppy disks, usb sticks⦠|
| 10:12.30 | rom1v | and there, there is no .iso |
| 10:13.00 | Arrowmaster | look higher |
| 10:13.06 | rom1v | there is a folder "cdrom", but only with debian-cd_info.tar.gz |
| 10:13.12 | Arrowmaster | "Small CDs" |
| 10:13.17 | babilen | debian.org -> Network install -> "Small CDs -> amd64 |
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| 10:13.54 | rom1v | ok, thanks |
| 10:14.00 | rom1v | I will write that somewhere |
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| 10:16.03 | lembas | Hello. I dont get the Debian Installer run on an old system.. The system is able to boot from a Win98 CD, but not from a Debian lenny CD. So my problem is, i cant find the floppy images of Debain. Are they deleted? |
| 10:16.59 | babilen | lembas: they are no longer available for lenny AFAIK |
| 10:17.26 | babilen | !etch floppies |
| 10:17.26 | dpkg | [etch floppies] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ -- substitute your architecture for "i386". |
| 10:17.36 | babilen | lembas: You could install etch and upgrade to lenny |
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| 10:17.42 | lembas | hm... |
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| 10:17.57 | babilen | although i'm not 100% sure if that still works :-\ |
| 10:18.03 | Azeotrope | I have a wireless access point made with hostapd 0.7.1 on kernel 2.6.33.2. I can see this AP but I can't connect to it whatever I'd do. I get these in the hostapd logfile http://pastebin.org/146618 Also, if i run hostapd in debug mode i get: http://pastebin.org/146620 (it deautheticates me suddenly). Any ideea? |
| 10:18.54 | lembas | on the "get debian"-page is written that i could download debian-floppies.. but there are only usb-images left, and the computer hasnt got usb =) |
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| 10:19.09 | lembas | isnt it possible to install it via dos? |
| 10:19.56 | marienz | Azeotrope: so which distro are you actually doing all this with? |
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| 10:20.10 | Arrowmaster | do you not have a cd drive or can your system just not boot from cd? |
| 10:21.21 | rom1v | now, I have debian lenny on my usb-key, + -netinst.iso, it boots, but when I want to set up partitions, there is no EXT4 |
| 10:21.36 | rom1v | so I have to have a testing-netinst.iso if I want EXT4? |
| 10:21.43 | Arrowmaster | lenny doesnt support ext4 |
| 10:21.47 | babilen | no - /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 10:21.49 | rom1v | yes, but I want testing |
| 10:21.58 | rom1v | but I didn't find testing boot.img + netinst.iso |
| 10:22.25 | rom1v | so I wanted to install lenny and upgrade later⦠but that's not a solution⦠|
| 10:22.25 | Arrowmaster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:24.37 | rom1v | ok, thank you |
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| 10:28.36 | lembas | It seems to be pure luck if my computer recognizes a bootable floppy or not. |
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| 10:32.54 | p0g0 | lembas: tried cleaning the read head? Degaussing? Cleaning the floppy itself? |
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| 10:35.25 | rocket-mountain | I have a problem(one month ago): 1. I have lenny in my /dev/hda(with grub 0.97 installed). 2. I installed debian-testing in /dev/sda(a mobile disk). I installed grub2 in mbr(I thought it was installed in /dev/sdb, but in fact is was installed in /dev/hda)When I was finishing the testing distro(kernel 2.6.32). 3. When I rebooted system, I could not get into any one of them. I have forgotten some wrong messages(seems something about 'can't not found ker |
| 10:35.56 | rocket-mountain | is anyone has a solution with that? |
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| 10:37.02 | arvind_khadri | rocket-mountain, reinstall grub2 |
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| 10:37.51 | rocket-mountain | How to install grub2 in mobile disk, when I selected, it actually installed it in my local disk /dev/hda |
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| 10:38.42 | arvind_khadri | rocket-mountain, grub must be loaded on that particular disk which boots first |
| 10:39.14 | rocket-mountain | Or should I select not install grub2 in mbr when i was installing it. |
| 10:40.06 | p0g0 | rocket-mountain: boot the rig with a live cd, read the existing /boot/grub/menu.lst-make a written copy of a working boot stanza (get that right), then reboot from the busted drive-when grub comes up, hit e and hand edit the stanza to look like the good one you wrote down-the machine will boot, and you can run grub-install to clean up the mess. |
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| 10:40.39 | p0g0 | oh yeah, hit b to boot after you edit the stanza |
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| 10:42.23 | rocket-mountain | Is there anyway not using livecd? My cd-drive has some hardware problem. |
| 10:43.39 | SPF | you can use an usb stick |
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| 10:45.36 | karuru | hi, i cant find the package ia32-apt-get in debian unstable, i need this for compiling wine on my 64 bit system |
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| 10:46.15 | rocket-mountain | Assumingly I have a mobile-disk(/dev/sda), and a usb-stick(/dev/sdb). So what i need to do is: make a linux(bootable) in usb-stick(/dev/sdb), then install grub2 in mobile-disk(/dev/sda). Is that right? |
| 10:46.16 | qwebirc33401 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=izeGo3lVQZw |
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| 10:48.24 | p0g0 | rocket-mountain: not quite, read what I wrote- you want to find a good instance of a grub boot stanza, then boot to grub and hand enter that good stanza and press b to boot. Once that boots, then install/re-install grub. |
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| 10:50.43 | qwebirc33401 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=izeGo3lVQZw |
| 10:51.28 | rocket-mountain | thanks, p0g0, and all you guys, I'll have a try |
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| 10:54.59 | wols | ,versions ia32-apt-get |
| 10:55.01 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ia32-apt-get' was found. |
| 10:55.17 | wols | karuru: why do you need this package? |
| 10:55.26 | karuru | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-64ba498d52dd0a3ccae1c52c5d913d7aa692f9b1 |
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| 10:57.03 | wols | karuru: such a package doesn't exist currently and according to snapshots.debian.net never existed. tell WINE to fix their docs |
| 10:58.00 | wols | karuru: I suggest you create a 32bit chroot/VM and compile it there |
| 10:58.29 | karuru | okay thank you |
| 10:58.49 | rom1v | when installing testing, it asks if I want to install linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-amd64 |
| 10:58.51 | rom1v | what's the difference? |
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| 10:59.38 | wols | right now? none. all kernels are 2.6 |
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| 11:01.00 | arvind_khadri | karuru, they must be talking about ia32libs |
| 11:01.04 | mvk | im running lenny, in runlevel 3 - so that is a terminal :) |
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| 11:01.11 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 11:01.28 | mvk | but the resolution of that terminal, is a bit low - on my 24" 1920x1080 widescreen |
| 11:01.33 | karuru | arvind_khadri , so are there those libs under another name? |
| 11:01.47 | mvk | can i change the terminal resolution to 1920x1080 in vesa mode or something? |
| 11:01.59 | arvind_khadri | ,versions ia32libs |
| 11:01.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ia32libs' was found. |
| 11:02.26 | arvind_khadri | karuru, yeah, just do a aptitude search for it |
| 11:02.35 | dockimble | thank you soooooo much wols - everything worked! |
| 11:02.47 | wuffi600 | I've just installed lenny, and haven chosen default pc-keyboard and german keymap during install-process. Now i noticed that "Pos1" and "End" do not werk as usual, nether in console nor within xterm. how can i reconfigure it? |
| 11:03.07 | arvind_khadri | ,versions ia32-libs |
| 11:03.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ia32-libs' was found. |
| 11:04.10 | karuru | i can find it |
| 11:04.32 | karuru | but how to do this http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-64ba498d52dd0a3ccae1c52c5d913d7aa692f9b1 then? |
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| 11:08.23 | arvind_khadri | karuru, it is for sid. and i guess sid isnt supported here |
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| 11:08.26 | arvind_khadri | !sid |
| 11:08.27 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 11:09.41 | karuru | dpkg, then sorry for asking... |
| 11:09.41 | dpkg | karuru: are you using Windows? |
| 11:10.05 | karuru | i ereased it from my hdd yesterday |
| 11:10.22 | mvk | is it possible to run console-terminal in 1920x1080 |
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| 11:11.33 | wuffi600 | with "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" i can configure the keymap, but how can i configure the hardware typ of keyboard? (e.g. 102/104/105...) |
| 11:11.40 | arvind_khadri | karuru, dpkg is a bot |
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| 11:12.04 | karuru | arvind_khadri, what a funny bot -.-'' |
| 11:12.29 | karuru | mh okay i will compile it then in a 32bit chroot ;) thank you |
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| 11:13.52 | nvz | I have a 8gb flash drive that is suddenly causing nautilus to go into an uninterruptable/defunct state anytime I plug it in with nautilus running. |
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| 11:14.34 | nvz | This happens on two seperate lenny machines, and it even causes wierness on the Parted Magic which is installed on the thumbdrive, it can't read the drive either even when I've booted from it using its desktop filemanager |
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| 11:15.25 | lindi- | nvz: sounds like a kernel problem. what does ps -eo pid,wchan | grep $(pidof nautilus) show? |
| 11:15.57 | nvz | lindi-: its happening on 3 different kernels |
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| 11:16.23 | lindi- | nvz: usb stack hasn't been rewritten for a while, they could all have the same bug |
| 11:17.04 | nvz | lindi-: the stock debian one on my desktop, the custom 2.6.32.2 on my netbook, and the kernel for parted magic installed on the thumbdrive itself. Its just started happening recently |
| 11:17.04 | nvz | I'm currently backing up the drive and going to try a reformat |
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| 11:17.45 | nvz | the kernel is an interesting theory but its highly unlikely to be the cause as the thumbdrive I've been using for months, its only started doing this recently |
| 11:17.59 | nvz | so it suggests its something happened to the drive or the filesystem |
| 11:18.06 | lindi- | nvz: wchan would help |
| 11:18.21 | lindi- | nvz: we'd see where it is sleeping |
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| 11:20.00 | nvz | well the copy seems to be done now.. but logging into my desktop is gonna leave me in a state I'm going to have to reboot |
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| 11:22.32 | nvz | lindi-: 23241 - |
| 11:22.42 | nvz | is what that command you gave shows |
| 11:23.32 | nvz | System Monitor shows nautilus in an uninterruptable state |
| 11:24.04 | nvz | ps says "Dl" |
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| 11:25.26 | nvz | hmm.. it just now brought up a window for /media/disk but there's no files showing yet |
| 11:25.42 | nvz | nor is the disk showing and access |
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| 11:27.16 | nvz | ..and just now the files appeared, 2 minutes later |
| 11:27.26 | nvz | weird.. |
| 11:28.20 | nvz | nautilus is back to a normal sleeping state now, nearly 10 minutes after inserting the drive |
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| 11:28.39 | nvz | I guess I never waited that long.. |
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| 11:29.27 | nvz | thinks . o O ( rinse, lather, repeat? ) |
| 11:29.45 | nvz | unmounts |
| 11:29.53 | nvz | inserts |
| 11:30.05 | nvz | waits.. |
| 11:30.48 | nvz | showed up with desktop icon and browser window for /media/disk/ and the little foot moving |
| 11:31.06 | nvz | must be filesystem damage |
| 11:31.39 | nvz | cleanly unmounting via nautilus seems to have made it slightly faster |
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| 11:31.53 | nvz | still not showing the files yet though |
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| 11:34.41 | nvz | and 5 minutes later, the files appear |
| 11:35.17 | nvz | blah.. gonna see if a reformat makes it work better |
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| 11:35.24 | lindi- | nvz: "-" would mean that it is not stuck |
| 11:35.49 | nvz | hence what I said before.. something is wrong with the device and/or filesystem |
| 11:36.03 | lindi- | nvz: what does ps -eo pid,state,wchan | grep $(pidof nautilus) ? |
| 11:36.29 | nvz | I'm not going to insert it again and wait another 5 minutes to find out.. heh |
| 11:36.29 | nkuttler | is amazen that he can still install oldstable's php4 in sid |
| 11:36.35 | nvz | until after I've reformatted |
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| 11:38.11 | nvz | well now it poped up directly after the device settled and obtained a device node |
| 11:38.28 | nvz | after reformatting it that is |
| 11:39.03 | nvz | idly wonders if putting the data back on will make it take 5-10 minutes again |
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| 11:39.43 | Internat | im looking for a php based image gallery type software, with duplicate detection.. ie it can yell at me if i upload duplicates etc.. |
| 11:39.44 | Internat | suggestions? |
| 11:40.03 | nvz | has an 1-2 wait on the other box downloading a DVD iso, when all he needs is a netinstall but only has DVDs and not CDs |
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| 11:40.37 | nvz | Internat: no, and its not exactly on topic here. |
| 11:41.13 | Internat | its not really off topic either.. people come here looking for names/types of software all the time |
| 11:41.23 | nvz | Internat: and those people would be stupid |
| 11:41.37 | nkuttler | Internat: try #web |
| 11:41.39 | Internat | why? |
| 11:41.44 | nvz | or perhaps ignorant is a better word |
| 11:41.50 | nvz | because this is #debian not google |
| 11:42.07 | nvz | and there are specific channels of people who use that type of stuff, and this isn't one of them |
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| 11:43.45 | Internat | well then. i would think that given the volume of software and applications avaiable in the debian repository, that people in here might ahve some clue about specific cases.. i shall keep that in mind next time someone comes in here asking for help or support for that application. |
| 11:45.12 | nvz | asking a question about an app that is in debian is different than using us as a google or p.d.o or apt-cache search |
| 11:45.36 | nvz | if you know of an app in debian and have an issue with it, any one of us could assist |
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| 11:46.31 | nvz | I'm just saying, you're wasting your time and other peoples by not either asking a group of PHP users/developers or utilizing search engines that are made for this sort of thing |
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| 11:47.07 | Zambezi | I can play music with mpd/ncmpc, but nothing happens when I try mpd --create-db. So I can't add music by write S and then press tab. Newly installed Squeeze. It worked on my Lenny. |
| 11:47.39 | cahoot | Internat: fwiw gallery2 uses php - don't think it autodetects duplicates though |
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| 11:48.07 | nkuttler | duplicate detection should be trivial to add though |
| 11:48.28 | nvz | gqview can detects duplicates with varying margins of error |
| 11:48.37 | nvz | though its not PHP or a web gallery software |
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| 11:49.07 | nvz | a simple checksum detection would be trivial |
| 11:49.13 | Internat | for whats its worht, i had already been googling and wasnt finding much.. this channel has a wealth of people running loads of different software configuration, applications etc. at worst im wasting peoples time who simply read the message.. at best, i get an answer from people who know these things. regardless this is going to turn into flame bate soon me thinks. |
| 11:49.32 | nvz | gqview however does it for near-similarities as well |
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| 11:50.19 | nvz | I'm going to watch hulu and wait for my Debian DVD torrent to finish.. |
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| 11:53.52 | Mowee | Hi ^^ |
| 11:53.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | how do I compile a projekt with configure scritp et al as 32bit on a 64bit system? Is the --target flag for configure the correct way to do this? |
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| 11:55.33 | Jinko | KaffeeJunky123: gcc -m32 -o output32 file.c |
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| 11:56.16 | wols | Jinko: the dependencies won't really worok this way. if all you need is libc6 fine, if more, it's unpractical |
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| 11:59.20 | Jinko | wols: you mean something like include libraries with -L/ usr/lib32 or something like that ? |
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| 11:59.55 | wols | yes something like that. e.g. like the guy before who wanted to compile WINE on AMD64 |
| 12:00.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | compiling wine on amd64 isn't a problem at all |
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| 12:01.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | the only problem is that you need to build some libs yourself for sound support et al |
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| 12:01.32 | Jinko | wols: gotcha |
| 12:01.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | because those on lenny are to old or no 32bit headers are present, atleast that's what configure tells me |
| 12:02.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'll just try to set the CFLAG to m32 ^^ |
| 12:03.11 | Jinko | KaffeeJunky123: here are any problems with the location of some library |
| 12:03.15 | Jinko | *there |
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| 12:04.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | it compiled as x86-64 hm |
| 12:04.52 | Jinko | KaffeeJunky123: about wine on amd64 I remember a howto about this issue... |
| 12:05.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm working on libmpg123 btw |
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| 12:05.59 | Jinko | well...brb |
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| 12:15.15 | suffe | I need to do something slightly unusual. I need to connect a usb cable to a regular port on my linux box and when I connect the other end (to my TV) it needs to appear as a (virtual) HDD. Is there some software to accomplish this? |
| 12:15.47 | suffe | i.e. the TV needs to see the linux box as an external usb HDD (even though it clearly is not) |
| 12:16.17 | cahoot | suffe: a samsung tv running linux? |
| 12:16.39 | suffe | cahoot: no, it's an lg (and it's not running linux |
| 12:17.01 | suffe | the TV can only play movies from an external usb hdd and I'm hoping to run a usb cable from my fileserver and connect it to the TV |
| 12:17.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | does it need a specific file system on the disk? |
| 12:18.05 | suffe | Kaf: not really sure. it works with ntfs (and I'm guessing fat), but I'm sort of hopeing it can pull of ext2 too (though not sure) |
| 12:18.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | suffe: Check your TVs manual before wasting your time ^^ |
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| 12:18.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
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| 12:18.57 | suffe | kaffe: you know of a way if it can read ext2? |
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| 12:19.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | suffe: not really, since I don't know how exactly those usb drives work |
| 12:19.38 | suffe | KaffeJunky123: I was hoping there was a way to present a virtual HDD to the usb post somehow and the choice of filesystem never popped into my head =) |
| 12:19.50 | suffe | kaffejunk123:ok |
| 12:20.42 | suffe | it's a horrible concept to try and find info about on google. no matter what search terms I try to use, it finds stuff about other things |
| 12:21.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeah you'll find stuff about converting an internal hdd to an external |
| 12:21.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | wich isn't quite what you want |
| 12:22.33 | suffe | or making virtual disk images out ofa physical hdd |
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| 12:23.56 | kkirk | hi |
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| 12:24.31 | kkirk | is there any way to tune the block layer of the kernel to not try to read a bad sector 5 times, before it cancels the request? |
| 12:24.52 | Cain | Hi, In some situations (when the filesystem is NOT CLEAN) i have to CTRL+D at boot sequence to let the server finish booting can i cancel this option and make the server always finish booting without ctrl+d |
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| 12:25.27 | mvk | ok, i've extracted eclipse.tar to /opt/eclipse |
| 12:25.52 | mvk | now i can run /opt/eclipse/eclipse as root, but thats not good, what should i do to make it work for normal users? |
| 12:26.01 | mvk | chodmod the /opt/eclipse directory? |
| 12:26.03 | kkirk | cain: i think it enters maintanence mode for a reason...in most cases it have problems with the filesystem checking |
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| 12:26.31 | khaleel5000 | hello, which package has the file libglx.so ? |
| 12:26.39 | Cain | kkirk : i know but i can check later in dmesg or boot log to diagnose that |
| 12:26.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | mvk: chown the dir for your user |
| 12:27.18 | lindi- | Cain: man rcS and look for FSCK |
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| 12:27.22 | mvk | KaffeeJunky123, ok i guess i should make a usergroup 'devvers' |
| 12:27.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | mvk: and use the -hR option to also change the it for the files |
| 12:27.43 | mvk | and add myself to it, then chown that /opt/eclipse to root:devvers? |
| 12:27.53 | kkirk | cain: i'm not sure it helps, but you can disable the checking of filesysyms in the fstab which could prevent the filesystem checks |
| 12:28.05 | mvk | what is the powerdev dir for? |
| 12:28.09 | mvk | i mean group |
| 12:28.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | mvk: sudo chown -hR devvers /opt/eclipse <-- this should work |
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| 12:28.56 | wuffi600 | how can i configure the hardware type of keyboard? (102/104/105 Keys) |
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| 12:29.24 | Cain | lindi- : i'll check that, thx :) |
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| 12:29.34 | cahoot | in /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 12:30.40 | Cain | kkirk : i'll check that too, thx |
| 12:32.03 | wuffi600 | cahoot, the file does not exist on my lenny-installation. Is there a command the generates it (dpkg-reconfigure something) ? Should i create it by hand? |
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| 12:36.35 | cahoot | wuffi600: is this for X or console? |
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| 12:37.35 | cahoot | for X I suppose dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should give you the option (but it's a while since I used lenny so I might be wrong) |
| 12:37.41 | wuffi600 | cahoot, i'm only interestet in hardware-configureation of the keyboard the readout keycodes on the console. so configuration of the keymap of the bahvior under X is not relevant. |
| 12:37.50 | cahoot | sorry |
| 12:38.12 | wuffi600 | cahoot, where can i find a sample /etc/default /keyboard file? |
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| 12:38.32 | cahoot | wuffi600: dpkg-reconfigure console-data or such? |
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| 12:38.49 | wuffi600 | cahoot, console-data has to do with keymap but not with hardware |
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| 12:39.22 | wuffi600 | cahoot, could you port the content of a lenny's /etc/default/keyboard |
| 12:39.30 | wols | keycodes are dependent on OS config now? |
| 12:39.36 | cahoot | I believe /etc/default/keyboard is post-lenny |
| 12:39.37 | wols | last time I checked, the 8042 does this on its own |
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| 12:41.09 | babilen | cahoot: it is |
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| 12:42.26 | wols | cahoot: I run sid, and I don't have a /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 12:44.04 | czesmir | wols: i have it |
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| 12:44.55 | wols | czesmir: do you have the package "console-setup"? |
| 12:45.03 | karuru | wols: i compiled wine successfully in my 32bit chroot, but i cant install it now because it is the wrong arch :/ |
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| 12:45.57 | wols | karuru: why do you need WINE from winehq.org? why not use the debian WINE? |
| 12:46.14 | czesmir | wols: yep |
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| 12:46.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: you built a debian package? |
| 12:47.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: just set the arch to the arch you want to install it on ;) |
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| 12:47.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: In the debian package config ofc |
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| 12:48.05 | kripz | How can i compare 2 directories and list duplicate folders? |
| 12:48.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: and I had no problems with compiling wine on 64bit, I'm only having a though time with trying to get libmp123 32bit binarys |
| 12:49.01 | babilen | kripz: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:49.37 | kripz | Find duplicate directories within 2 different directories |
| 12:49.51 | babilen | kripz: whatfor? |
| 12:50.05 | karuru | how did you compiled wine on 64bit KaffeeJunky123 ? |
| 12:50.18 | karuru | and yes i created a debian package, in a 32bit chroot |
| 12:50.27 | kripz | babilen, so i can list things i have more than 1 copy of |
| 12:50.39 | babilen | kripz: ls, sort, uniq and grep should be all you need |
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| 12:50.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: I just used the source from the git-repo, you'll ofc need 32bit dev packages |
| 12:51.23 | babilen | kripz: But why do you need that list? Do you want to print it and hang it on your wall? |
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| 12:51.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: ./configure && make will work |
| 12:51.41 | BusMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.44 | kripz | babilen, why do you need to know? |
| 12:51.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: I then used checkinstall to build a .deb |
| 12:52.06 | babilen | kripz: So I can suggest a better solution for your actual problem |
| 12:52.14 | wols | BusMaster: of course not. you need to enter that domain in your DNS |
| 12:52.22 | wols | local DNS works fine |
| 12:52.25 | babilen | kripz: I don't need to know - the tools i mention are all you need to suceed in creating the list |
| 12:52.29 | babilen | kripz: Good luck |
| 12:52.34 | BusMaster | wols, ok |
| 12:52.52 | azeem | BusMaster: IP addresses are not domains and do not have subdomains |
| 12:53.02 | wols | BusMaster: put "subdomain 192.168.0.140" in your hosts file on the machine that runs your browser. then simply use "subdomain" |
| 12:53.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: if you want to install the .deb on AMD64 you'll have to set the arch to AMD64 despite it's got 32bit binarys inside |
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| 12:53.27 | babilen | kripz: Take a look at rsync as well - I guess that is what your *might* be after ... |
| 12:55.03 | babilen | kripz: And what is a duplicate anyway? If you have two files with the same name, but one has a newer timestamp would you consider the two a duplicate? |
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| 12:55.20 | kripz | Im looking for duplicate directories, not files |
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| 12:55.24 | karuru | KaffeeJunky123 when i try to run ./configure on my 64bit host it says configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. wich packages do i need? the description in the winehq wiki is wrong :( |
| 12:55.30 | babilen | kripz: ok, directories then |
| 12:55.40 | kripz | I used diff, wasnt aware it listed directories |
| 12:55.56 | wols | karuru: apt-get build-dep wine |
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| 12:56.40 | wols | karuru: and your configure log also tells you which exact libs/files are missing |
| 12:56.49 | karuru | wols : but i need to compile the code which i recieved via git, because i want to add the WinePulse patch |
| 12:57.00 | wols | karuru: that doesn't matter. use apt-get |
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| 12:58.02 | karuru | but if i use apt-get build-dep wine, how can i add the patches then? |
| 12:58.19 | wols | karuru: please read up on what apt-get build-dep does before asking this question |
| 12:58.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: that just installs the build depends |
| 12:58.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: of the old wine package ofc |
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| 12:58.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: But it'll save you a lot of work |
| 12:59.36 | BusMaster | wols, hmm, so I added 192.168.0.140 domain.se subdomain.domain.se to /etc/hosts . Now domain.se works, but subdomain.domain.se also ends up going to domain.se |
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| 13:00.29 | BusMaster | wols, perhaps the virtual hosting on apache is screwed up? it is funny because i copied the /etc/apache2 from a working site where everything works. this new thing I am testing is just a virtual machine where I am trying to restore a backup made from the real site |
| 13:00.56 | wols | BusMaster: man a2ensite |
| 13:01.56 | BusMaster | wols, a2ensite merely sets up soft links, doesn't it? and since i tar'ed up my original site and untar'ed it on the test machine, the symlinks are all ok. i.e. there is a symlink from sites-enabled to sites-available |
| 13:02.08 | BusMaster | wols, but man'ing it anyway as you suggest |
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| 13:03.22 | wols | BusMaster: we cannot know your apache2 config. it's apache's job to convert from virtual hosts names to the proper files |
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| 13:05.08 | wuffi600 | When using lenny how would you switch from on 104-Key-Keyboard to 105-Keyboard? Is the a config-file? (Question has nothin gto do with keymaps or X) |
| 13:05.55 | wols | wuffi600: what makes you think you lack a key in your keymap? |
| 13:06.21 | karuru | <KaffeeJunky123> && <wols> thanks alot, now configure works :) |
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| 13:06.42 | wols | note how pos1 and end both exist on all keyboard with >100 keys, and have the exact same scancode on all of them |
| 13:07.03 | wols | so if they don't work, it's most certainly your terminal emulation that is borked. not your keymap |
| 13:07.20 | BusMaster | wols, oh, got it. I copied the /etc/apache2 folder from the live site, and it had the ServerName directive of the live site instead of the test site. Now it works. thanks |
| 13:07.36 | wuffi600 | wols, a difference between 104 and 105 key-keybaords is an additional key as right neighbour of the left shift-key. How can i activate it to function (typically used for greater/smaller and pipe-symbol)? |
| 13:07.46 | babilen | wuffi600: not sure as i am not running lenny, but you could take a look at console-setup |
| 13:08.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: np, the tricky thing will be to get sound working |
| 13:08.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: you've to build a 32bit version of openal and libmpg123 |
| 13:08.40 | wols | wuffi600: erm, that key has been there since forever ona ALL keyboards > 100 keys. be it 101 or 102 key ones |
| 13:09.05 | wols | the 105 keyboard is different frm the 104 one due to a key lower left to the enter key |
| 13:09.17 | karuru | KaffeeJunky123, i see this: http://pastebin.com/pXh3dn66 |
| 13:09.47 | karuru | so i have to compile them in a 32bit chroot? |
| 13:09.52 | wuffi600 | wols, ok. the key for # and '. |
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| 13:10.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: you don't have to, it's possible to compile for 32bit on 64bit, but how you can do that depends on the project you're trying to compile, so it's probably easier to build everything on a 32bit chroot |
| 13:11.57 | wols | karuru: apt-cache search wine |grep wine try to install build-dep for all of them |
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| 13:14.08 | karuru | KaffeeJunky123: when i build the package in my chroot then i get a i386 package, how to get it working on 64bit? |
| 13:15.55 | mvk | how do i disable gcj and use sun-java only? |
| 13:16.03 | mvk | (i already installed sun-java) |
| 13:16.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | karuru: as I already said, you have to set the arch of the package to AMD64 and make sure you're linking your libs statically with wine |
| 13:16.24 | babilen | !tell mvk about java alternatives |
| 13:16.34 | wols | karuru: debian/rules file |
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| 13:16.55 | wols | karuru: it has env variables DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE |
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| 13:18.42 | wuffi600 | wols, the mentioned greater/smaller-key and Pos1 and End have no effect on the console when being pressed. How would you repair this? |
| 13:19.30 | rom1v | hi again, I installed debian testing, nautilus is quite strange : it has no left pane? |
| 13:19.35 | wuffi600 | (wols, when booting a knoppix/ubuntu-cd all keys work fine.) |
| 13:19.46 | azeem | rom1v: why should it? |
| 13:19.56 | rom1v | in ubuntu, it has |
| 13:20.04 | azeem | so ubuntu changed the defalut |
| 13:20.05 | rom1v | and it is configurable in the menu |
| 13:20.07 | azeem | default* |
| 13:20.18 | rom1v | in debian there is no checkbox to enable it |
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| 13:21.12 | wols | wuffi600: the greater smaller key work fine for me in etch, nothing needed. the pos1/end key don't work well. they do somethingbut nothing usable |
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| 13:21.23 | azeem | then maybe the version in Ubuntu is newer, and/or got heavily modified by Ubuntu |
| 13:21.23 | wols | sorry. in lenny. using lenny inside a vbox VM |
| 13:22.30 | wols | wuffi600: which keymap do you use? |
| 13:22.42 | azeem | rom1v: I think you're looking for the "Always open in browser" option |
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| 13:23.15 | delight_ | Hi there I'm pretty new to this so I don't know if its an a bug or not ... I'm on debian squeeze installed slapd and connected to it with Apache Directory Studio .. When i'm opening the schema editor on it, it shows me that on OID 2.5.17.0 (subentry) a mandatory attribute type doesn't exist (subtreeSpecification) ... somebody good here with ldap ? |
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| 13:24.23 | delight_ | it still workable as its commonName OR subtreeSpecification ... but I still think its an error ... is it worth filing a bug ? |
| 13:24.42 | rom1v | No, I am looking for the left pane which opens using F9 in ubuntu |
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| 13:25.05 | azeem | no idea what that would be |
| 13:25.14 | azeem | I get a left pane if I open folders in browser mode |
| 13:25.20 | azeem | maybe it's a different one |
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| 13:26.00 | mvk | thanks babilen |
| 13:26.05 | babilen | np |
| 13:26.20 | rom1v | network-manager doesn't recognize my configuration (I am connected using /etc/network/interfaces, which has been configured during install, with no problem, but networkmanager doesn't manage it, it says I am not connected, while I am) |
| 13:26.21 | David_White | how does one enable an external monitor for a laptop with an intel atom processor? |
| 13:26.35 | rom1v | There was the same problem in ubuntu 8.04 (but corrected with 8.10 and later) |
| 13:27.09 | azeem | rom1v: sure, n-m doesn't manage manually managed connections by default |
| 13:27.20 | azeem | there's an option to force it to do so, however, I believe |
| 13:27.32 | rom1v | Another little problem, I disable root user (it asked during install), so I can use sudo. But in some programs, for example network-manager, I have a button "unlock", which asks for root password |
| 13:27.45 | rom1v | while it should ask for current user with sudo (like in ubuntu) |
| 13:27.54 | azeem | rom1v: you don't need to disable the root user to use sudo |
| 13:27.59 | azeem | first off |
| 13:28.03 | rom1v | yes, but I did during install :) |
| 13:28.07 | azeem | how? |
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| 13:39.59 | nvz | rom1v: network manager is garbage. I would highly recommend removing it |
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| 13:41.21 | rom1v | and install what? |
| 13:41.34 | nvz | rom1v: wicd would be my suggestion |
| 13:41.39 | wols | rom1v: how did you remove root access on install? |
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| 13:42.02 | rom1v | hmmm, during install it asked if I wanted to use root user or if I wanted to use "sudo" instead |
| 13:42.15 | nvz | rom1v: if you are using lenny, you will need to get it from backports, and installing it will automatically remove network-manager |
| 13:42.41 | wols | rom1v: what does uname -r say? |
| 13:42.49 | nvz | rom1v: I think for the time being you need to recover your root account... |
| 13:42.51 | rom1v | I installed testing |
| 13:42.53 | rom1v | (squeeze) |
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| 13:43.33 | nvz | wicd is in squeeze I believe, so you can just apt-get install it once you regain access to your root account |
| 13:43.40 | rom1v | I don't want any root account (for the moment I would like a debian like my current ubuntu, just for learning how it works ) |
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| 13:43.58 | rom1v | nvz: yes, I used it in ubuntu 8.04 when network-manager didn't work correctly |
| 13:44.12 | rom1v | it was a good tool, I will try again |
| 13:44.15 | nvz | rom1v: you have to have root access, and if you can't get root access then you're screwed |
| 13:44.28 | rom1v | I have root access using sudo |
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| 13:44.59 | nvz | then what you want is to reconfigure sudo to use the user password? or to use no password at all? |
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| 13:45.29 | aguitel | anybody know this error when i try to install googleearth ,/usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:45.52 | rom1v | what I want is that windows which are launched as simple user which have a "unlock" button to switch to "root access" don't ask for root password, but for my user password which can sudo |
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| 13:46.08 | wols | !tell aguitel about googleearth |
| 13:46.24 | babilen | rom1v: Could you give us the output of "uname -r" please |
| 13:46.25 | nvz | rom1v: then you need to run visudoers as root |
| 13:46.53 | wols | rom1v: are you using your irc client under your debian install now? |
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| 13:47.49 | rom1v | 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 13:47.56 | longkid | what software can play matroska file beside Movie player on Ubuntu? |
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| 13:47.59 | rom1v | no, I am on another computer with ubuntu |
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| 13:50.13 | nvz | rom1v: %sudo ALL=PASSWD: ALL |
| 13:50.31 | nvz | rom1v: that line in the sudoers file will allow anyone in the "sudo" group to run commands with sudo using their password |
| 13:51.04 | nvz | rom1v: so all you need to do is add the users to the sudo group and they have access, and can use THEIR password |
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| 13:51.31 | rom1v | nvz: they can already execute root using sudo |
| 13:51.46 | rom1v | the problem is that some gui ask for root password instead of asking for user password |
| 13:51.46 | nvz | rom1v: if you don't want help, thats fine |
| 13:51.54 | nvz | I'm telling you how to solve that |
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| 13:52.06 | rom1v | ah? |
| 13:52.24 | nvz | its the "PASSWD" keyword |
| 13:52.37 | nvz | and either you have to put an entry for EVERY SINGLE USER, or do it the way I suggested |
| 13:52.44 | nvz | and just add users to the sudo group |
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| 13:53.39 | nvz | rom1v: and perhaps "some gui" are not using sudo, they could be gksu |
| 13:54.14 | nvz | rom1v: in which case you have to remove gksu and link gnome-sudo or something in its place |
| 13:54.26 | rom1v | waitdo I need to reboot? |
| 13:54.45 | nvz | no, but you will need to login again for new group membership to take effect |
| 13:55.01 | \amethyst | nvz: gksu and gksudo are in the same package |
| 13:55.06 | rom1v | I replaced %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL by %sudo ALL=PASSWD: ALL |
| 13:55.30 | _strog | hi guys i wanted to know what the 5.01 version of debian is called? |
| 13:55.41 | Pnux | _strog: Lenny |
| 13:55.58 | dvs | _strog: Lenny, but that not the most recent version of Lenny |
| 13:56.08 | nvz | \amethyst: I have no idea, don't know much about the frontends other than some are su and some are sudo.. and the ones using su clearly won't respect sudoers, and thus will ask for a root password even when sudoers says to use a USER password |
| 13:56.16 | cahoot | most recently released |
| 13:56.31 | rom1v | it doesn't work, network-manager still ask for root password |
| 13:56.46 | azeem | rom1v: because it uses gksu, not gksudo |
| 13:56.52 | nvz | \amethyst: seems easiest to me to remove that package and install gnome-sudo or something and link it, rather than try rewriting and recompiling alll your applications |
| 13:56.52 | Pnux | nvz: su is used to log in as root, sudo is to execute as root, there is a difference |
| 13:57.00 | _strog | Pnux: just to understand the version system, the names are according the debian version or kernel version? |
| 13:57.16 | \amethyst | nvz: gksu-properties lets you configure whether gksu uses su or sudo to become root |
| 13:57.17 | Pnux | _strog: Debian versions |
| 13:57.19 | nvz | Pnux: thanks, I've been using linux for 10 years and I'm certified, I think I know that. |
| 13:57.28 | _strog | rgr |
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| 13:57.35 | nvz | \amethyst: good to know |
| 13:57.41 | \amethyst | Pnux: su can also be used to execute something as root, and sudo to log in as root |
| 13:57.45 | \amethyst | Pnux: su -c and sudo -i |
| 13:57.48 | azeem | nvz: however, you seem to be unaware about GUI implications |
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| 13:58.01 | nvz | azeem: I'm unaware about most things GUI.. heh |
| 13:58.03 | rom1v | gksu-properties says that it use sudo |
| 13:58.14 | azeem | rom1v: did you logout? |
| 13:58.18 | rom1v | yes |
| 13:58.25 | rom1v | in ubuntu, visudo has commented this line : |
| 13:58.27 | rom1v | # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 13:58.37 | rom1v | and added this one : |
| 13:58.38 | rom1v | %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:58.42 | ravenbird | rom1v: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:58.43 | azeem | admin? |
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| 13:59.15 | rom1v | a group in ubuntu |
| 13:59.27 | azeem | why are you talking about ubuntu? |
| 13:59.37 | rom1v | ravenbird, explain what |
| 13:59.38 | ravenbird | rom1v: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:59.45 | azeem | ravenbird is a bot |
| 13:59.49 | azeem | triggered by "%" |
| 13:59.57 | rom1v | azeem, because I am trying to use "sudo"/ "gksudo", etc. in debian like in ubuntu |
| 14:00.13 | rom1v | without having some gui asking for root password while root account is disabled |
| 14:00.21 | nvz | aguitel: is libgcc1 installed? |
| 14:00.24 | azeem | rom1v: if you want to use it like in ubuntu, why don't you use ubuntuà |
| 14:00.35 | rom1v | ahah :p |
| 14:00.37 | azeem | I suggest you get it configured so that it works properly instead |
| 14:00.40 | nvz | aguitel: are you on i386 or amd64? |
| 14:00.50 | aguitel | nvz, i am in amd64 bits |
| 14:01.07 | nvz | aguitel: and the google earth app is 32bit no? |
| 14:01.21 | nvz | aguitel: in which case you need lib32gcc1 |
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| 14:01.45 | aguitel | nvz, need to install this? |
| 14:01.51 | nvz | aguitel: indeed |
| 14:02.25 | nvz | aguitel: it will provide an ia32 libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 14:03.09 | nvz | aguitel: and should get you at least one step further with your google earth. I think google earth is actually in the repos now |
| 14:03.18 | nvz | aguitel: which would likely solve this problem.. |
| 14:03.26 | aguitel | nvz, they say:error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.26 | aguitel | setup.data/bin/Linux/amd64/setup.gtk: error while loading shared libraries: libSM.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.26 | aguitel | The setup program seems to have failed on amd64 |
| 14:03.34 | nvz | ,versions google-earth package |
| 14:03.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'google-earth' was found. |
| 14:03.38 | nvz | ,versions google-earth-package |
| 14:03.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'google-earth-package' was found. |
| 14:03.44 | nvz | liar! |
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| 14:03.50 | nvz | haha oops |
| 14:03.54 | nvz | ,versions googleearth-package |
| 14:03.55 | judd | googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4; lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; sid/contrib: 0.5.7; squeeze/contrib: 0.5.7 |
| 14:04.02 | nvz | aguitel: ^^ |
| 14:04.18 | wols | aguitel: I told you about that half an hour ago |
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| 14:04.24 | nvz | aguitel: for future reference, packages.debian.org |
| 14:04.32 | SingAlong | i tried "ls /etc/hosts" on my debian lenny and the file doesnt exist |
| 14:04.49 | wols | SingAlong: quite unlikely unless you deleted it |
| 14:04.55 | nvz | aguitel: I'm not gonna keep feeding your error messages into p.d.o and spoonfeeding you, either use the google earth in the repos, or figure it out for yourself |
| 14:05.12 | aguitel | nvz, what repo? |
| 14:05.14 | SingAlong | wols: Nope! never deleted it. |
| 14:05.25 | SingAlong | wols: can i recreate it? |
| 14:05.25 | nvz | aguitel: the official debian repo |
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| 14:05.34 | wols | SingAlong: wrong. debian always creates on on install. always. yes you can recreate it. use an editor |
| 14:05.43 | aguitel | nvz, ok |
| 14:05.49 | nvz | aguitel: and packages.debian.org has a "search contents of packages" that will help you find packages to install for missing files |
| 14:05.51 | wols | aguitel: you've been told several times how to get it. why do you ignore that? |
| 14:06.11 | nvz | wols: you can't fix stupid, no matter how well you support it |
| 14:06.18 | Pnux | im having a weird issue with my sound, sometimes it stops playing out of nothing, but VLC (the player i use) still plays it, i just cant hear it. Hardware failure is out of the question because it works perfectly on another OS. This doesnt happen all the time, i watched about 5 hours of videos yesterday with absolutely no problems, but had this problem within 5 minutes of playing a file. |
| 14:06.20 | aguitel | wols, coz my english is too bad |
| 14:06.24 | azeem | nvz: please refrain from personal attacks |
| 14:06.58 | nvz | azeem: I make no attacks.. |
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| 14:08.01 | nvz | Pnux: that sort of issue is best diagnosed while its happening |
| 14:08.22 | Pnux | nvz: its happening right now, what should i check for? |
| 14:08.56 | nvz | well, the file started to play correctly then the audio cut out? |
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| 14:09.19 | mvk | how do i stop that gnome from displaying window (minimize/maximize) animations? :| |
| 14:09.20 | Pnux | nvz: yes |
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| 14:09.46 | nvz | Pnux: and you're sure the file is not corrupted, and can play sound from something else, and sure the volume was not muted, driver is not crapping out..etc? |
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| 14:10.15 | nvz | Pnux: is this a local file playing to a local sound card using ALSA? |
| 14:10.36 | Pnux | nvz: im 100% sure about all of them, except the driver one, how can i check that? |
| 14:11.00 | Pnux | and yes, i use ALSA |
| 14:11.09 | nvz | Pnux: play another sound file.. it verifies that the sound card and all volumes etc.. are working |
| 14:11.35 | nvz | next step would be to try another player and/or strace the one you're using |
| 14:11.48 | Pnux | nvz: it happens with every file and with every player |
| 14:12.07 | nvz | Pnux: then its got to be either kernel or hardware related |
| 14:12.40 | Pnux | another weird thing is that when i close (with the X) the player, it doesnt really stop.. i have to kill it and then i can play files normally for a random time |
| 14:12.58 | Pnux | nvz: hardware is out of the question, it works perfectly on another OS |
| 14:14.00 | nvz | Pnux: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh |
| 14:14.50 | nvz | Pnux: chmod 700 alsa-info.sh %% ./alsa-info.sh |
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| 14:16.12 | nvz | Pnux: might want to try dmesg too just to see if there are any errors spewing from the kernel, but that script should generate a nice pastebin of all the info about your sound system |
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| 14:16.18 | Pnux | nvz: thanks, will check it out |
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| 14:16.59 | nvz | Pnux: its not a matter of checking it out, heh.. its something you need for people to help you. Or else I gotta ask you 400 questions about your setup that you may or may not answer correctly |
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| 14:17.32 | Pnux | nvz: yea, i just noticed, ill pastebin it.. i thought it was gonna diagnose the problem for me |
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| 14:18.43 | Pnux | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/68412/ |
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| 14:20.13 | nvz | Pnux: so you're using pulseaudio.. which is likely where the problem lies |
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| 14:20.28 | nvz | they have a very knowledgeable support channel |
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| 14:20.59 | nvz | I use pulse audio too, but I'm a newbie.. hah. and I just use it so I can play sounds from either system and have em come thru the netbook |
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| 14:21.43 | nvz | Pnux: I'd say first try turning off pulseaudio and see if the problem persists, if so, seek help from the PA people |
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| 14:22.13 | Pnux | nvz: its not the first time i heard something bad about pulseaudio, so i just purged it |
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| 14:22.35 | Pnux | the sound still plays, hasnt stopped yet |
| 14:23.45 | nvz | Pnux: its a damn good system, just complex and easy to misconfigure |
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| 14:24.13 | Pnux | nvz: aparently pulseaudio wasnt the problem, it just happened again |
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| 14:24.30 | nvz | Pnux: did you actually stop pulseaudio? |
| 14:24.52 | nvz | Pnux: you can delete a program from disk and still have it in memory and executing on the CPU |
| 14:25.05 | Pnux | nvz: ... pulseaudio is not running. |
| 14:25.09 | Pnux | thats what i got |
| 14:25.28 | Pnux | oh well, just noticed it was running |
| 14:25.29 | nvz | Pnux: what tells you that? |
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| 14:25.53 | nvz | sticks out his tongue |
| 14:28.04 | Pnux | 2 minutes of playing and still no "crash" |
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| 14:28.59 | nvz | Pnux: so, then it was probably pulseaudio.. why did you install it if you didn't even hesitate to remove it? heh |
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| 14:29.44 | azeem | it's in the desfault install AFAIK |
| 14:29.46 | Pnux | nvz: i already had it installed, i have no idea why |
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| 14:29.59 | nvz | ah.. I wasn't aware of that.. |
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| 14:30.31 | Pnux | arghh, it wasnt pulseaudio |
| 14:30.44 | nvz | I like it, though I suspect the weirness on hulu where when I switch to a different clip while one is playing and I still hear the last clip is due to pulse audio |
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| 14:32.46 | nvz | I'd say rerun the alsa-info script as it may have had dmesg output by now, and if need be, file a bug on the debian bts |
| 14:32.54 | nvz | you ARE using a non-stable distro |
| 14:33.09 | nvz | and one of those damn HDA things, which I always find to be a problem |
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| 14:33.52 | Pnux | nvz: yeah, but the second Squeeze becomes stable, im sticking with it.. and which HDA things? |
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| 14:35.27 | nvz | Pnux: HDA is High Definition Audio |
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| 14:35.38 | nvz | I just always found HDA cards to be a PITA in linux |
| 14:36.08 | Pnux | this is the output of alsa-info when the audio was plying ok: http://paste.debian.net/68415/ |
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| 14:36.59 | Pnux | and this is the one when it wasnt playing: http://paste.debian.net/68416/ |
| 14:37.22 | nvz | ah, maybe it isn't an HDA |
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| 14:37.50 | Pnux | i have no idea what HDA means |
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| 14:38.45 | nvz | idk, its gotta be a kernel or alsa bug somewhere |
| 14:38.56 | _Trinity_ | Anyone use black lists (one blocking black listed sites and another blocking ads) in Squid? Can these be intergrated into one master list? |
| 14:39.01 | nvz | would be my guess, though alsa-info is not reporting anything from the kernel |
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| 14:39.42 | nvz | Pnux: my suggestion would be to file a bug report, try a different kernel, or use stable and see if that helps |
| 14:39.45 | bkjoe | !confuse _trinity_ |
| 14:39.45 | dpkg | Yes, where was our ferret yesterday, _trinity_? Trousers of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein with extra herring. |
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| 14:41.06 | kc8pxy | i am trying to get drupal setup for a vhost i just setup. none of my other vhosts are interested in it at the moment. how do i configure it after the apt-get? |
| 14:41.16 | Pnux | nvz: maybe ill just throw Debian out of the window until Squeeze becomes stable |
| 14:41.27 | Pnux | afaik, theres no way to go from unstable to stable |
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| 14:42.02 | kc8pxy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.03 | d3x | Pnux, there is |
| 14:42.06 | d3x | but it's really painful |
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| 14:42.50 | Pnux | rm -Rf /usr? |
| 14:43.24 | enveezee | this is why you should keep /home seperate so you can reinstall |
| 14:44.55 | Pnux | i only installed Debian once, and before that i had only been on the linux world for like 8 months.. and i was using stupid-friendly distros, so i didnt know much |
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| 14:46.24 | enveezee | then why would you not use stable? |
| 14:46.44 | bkjoe | congrats pnux, you moved beyond the moron-friendly distro's |
| 14:47.39 | Pnux | i did for a couple of months, but then i got tired of out of date software.. it was way too updated (i think Lenny was frozen, but i didnt know) |
| 14:47.45 | bkjoe | unfortunately i can help you right now |
| 14:47.57 | Oleg | wcan or can't? |
| 14:48.03 | Oleg | never mind the extra w |
| 14:48.28 | Pnux | *it was too outdated |
| 14:48.29 | bkjoe | can't would be more accurate |
| 14:48.31 | enveezee | there are backports and many other ways to get more recent apps without leaving stable. |
| 14:48.47 | Oleg | just learned of backports yesterday |
| 14:48.54 | Pnux | enveezee: i know that now, didnt know back then |
| 14:48.56 | Oleg | but I'm too lazy to vpn in to set it up |
| 14:48.58 | babilen | Pnux: Which version of Debian do you run right now? |
| 14:49.06 | Pnux | babilen: testing |
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| 14:50.01 | babilen | Pnux: Good choice actually - I would hop over to #alsa with the alsa-info output and let them take a look. There might be some specific problems with your chipset. snd_hda_intel typically works really good :-\ |
| 14:50.21 | enveezee | plays Faces - Oh la la for pnux |
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| 14:50.29 | Pnux | babilen: will do, thanks |
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| 14:50.46 | babilen | Pnux: Good luck - and let us know if you find the reason/solution for it .. |
| 14:51.01 | Pnux | nvz: oh by the way, thanks a lot for the help |
| 14:51.20 | babilen | hands Pnux a cookie |
| 14:51.24 | wipped | I need help with CHMOD cause i want to chmod all files also IN the maps at ones, how can i do this? |
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| 14:51.46 | babilen | wipped: "in the maps" ? |
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| 14:52.00 | Azeotrope | I have a wireless access point made with hostapd 0.7.1 on kernel 2.6.33.2. I can see this AP but I can't connect to it whatever I'd do. I get these in the hostapd logfile http://pastebin.org/146618 Also, if i run hostapd in debug mode i get: http://pastebin.org/146620 (it deautheticates me suddenly). Any ideea what's happening? |
| 14:52.05 | wipped | i got many maps and i need to chmod all whats in all the maps |
| 14:52.29 | wipped | i mean directorys |
| 14:52.33 | babilen | aaah |
| 14:52.34 | enveezee | i wonder if the faces are still around... get them to do a debian song... " i wish that i knew what i know now... When i was installing Sid..." |
| 14:52.44 | kc8pxy | anyone here that can help me puzzle out some of debian's blackbox "do it our way" assumptions? |
| 14:52.51 | enveezee | oh la la... |
| 14:53.04 | kc8pxy | i'm trying to install drupal to only one of my vhosts |
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| 14:53.35 | babilen | wipped: man chmod --> "-R / --recursive" is what you are looking for |
| 14:53.46 | niko | Azeotrope: perhaps you should try to avoid amsg :) |
| 14:53.54 | kc8pxy | and simply downloading the tarball from drupal and folloing their INSTALL.txt is not working, for permission reasons. |
| 14:53.55 | wipped | babilen: how do you mean? |
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| 14:54.10 | wols | !tell kc8pxy about errors |
| 14:54.15 | kc8pxy | even with their permissions fix. |
| 14:54.47 | SuperMiguel | they got a release date for deb 6? |
| 14:54.54 | babilen | wipped: If you want to change the permission of everything that is beneath /some/dir/with/your/maps your can do that recursively with '-R' |
| 14:55.02 | wols | !tell SuperMiguel about siyh |
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| 14:55.19 | wipped | aah ok |
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| 14:56.03 | nvz | stabs k3b with a butter knife |
| 14:56.54 | wipped | babilen: i did man chmod do i now have to type -R |
| 14:57.03 | wipped | before i mess it up |
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| 14:57.28 | Pnux | wipped: he meant "chmod -R <permissions> <dir>" |
| 14:57.29 | nvz | this damn think is trying to tell me ":-( media is not formatted or unsupported." trying to burn Debian DVD 1, onto a BLANK DVD-R |
| 14:57.41 | Azeotrope | niko: asmg? |
| 14:57.46 | wipped | Pnux: ow i understand |
| 14:57.48 | wipped | ty |
| 14:57.58 | niko | Azeotrope: same message in many channels |
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| 14:58.17 | nvz | I believe its chmod -r |
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| 14:58.55 | kc8pxy | wols: I'm not having an error.. i'm having a lack of "how the heck do i configure this" instructions. except that my web host uses debian i'd not use it, because there are way too many "we thought it'd work better this way" quirks. THAT is what i need help with.. |
| 14:58.56 | nvz | hmm I guess they finally fixed that |
| 14:58.58 | Pnux | nvz: from chmod --help: -R, --recursive change files and directories recursively |
| 14:59.08 | Pnux | but i think -r works as well |
| 14:59.18 | nvz | Pnux: at one time the capital R only worked for chown, not chmod IIRC |
| 14:59.18 | wipped | i just try |
| 14:59.20 | wipped | sec |
| 14:59.31 | nvz | Pnux: unless I'm just going crazy |
| 14:59.31 | Azeotrope | niko: ok |
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| 15:00.00 | wols | kc8pxy: you need help with how to solve problems by asking on irc apparently. you still haven't told us about anything we can help you. We are not mind readers |
| 15:00.01 | wipped | it was: chmod -R 755 cod4 |
| 15:00.04 | wipped | tthat worked |
| 15:00.16 | nvz | I don't know how I would recall having to use a capital R on one and a lowercase r on the other if it werent true at some point in time |
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| 15:01.22 | Pnux | nvz: i think rm doesnt work with lowercase r |
| 15:01.23 | kc8pxy | wols: i told you guys i'm trying to install drupal for one of several vhosts. as I've found with many debian packages, i can't just take the upstream canned instructions and make it work. |
| 15:01.38 | wols | !tell kc8pxy about gethelponirc |
| 15:01.58 | kc8pxy | wols: i should not need a degree in debianese to make this work. |
| 15:02.11 | wols | kc8pxy: come back if you have a debian related question. if you ask about $randomsoftware, ask whoever gave you that software, not us |
| 15:02.42 | Pnux | !tell pnux about gethelponirc |
| 15:02.51 | Pnux | !tell wols about gethelponirc |
| 15:03.08 | wols | !tell Pnux about selftell |
| 15:03.22 | Pnux | oh, didnt know you get the message saying the bot doesnt know what that is |
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| 15:05.39 | kc8pxy | wols: so you're saying that after i failed to use the upstream tarball, and decided to TRY using the apt-get install method, and i'm stillost as to how/where debian put the files i need to tweak to get it running,, that's not a debian issue i need help with? |
| 15:05.57 | nkuttler | kc8pxy: dpkg -L package |
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| 15:06.25 | nkuttler | runs upstream of all webapps |
| 15:06.44 | nkuttler | kc8pxy: and the debian docs are in /usr/share/doc/package |
| 15:06.49 | wols | kc8pxy: your main issue is: you haven't told us yet what the FUCKING PROBLEM is. and no, "debian is broken" is not a problem descirption. it's stupid whining, which really wants us to help you |
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| 15:07.23 | nkuttler | wols: he just said he doesn't know where the files are. quite late, but he did |
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| 15:08.23 | eshat | Why does powertop tell me I still have 43 hours of battery life ? is there another tool to find it out ? |
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| 15:10.43 | lindi- | eshat: probably acpi reports it wrong values. |
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| 15:11.07 | Pnux | or you have one hell of a battery |
| 15:11.17 | eshat | lindi-: so, any idea how to solve ? |
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| 15:11.42 | eshat | Pnux: I doubt :D it is a thinkpad X201,.. lenovo says the battery lasts 6 hours |
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| 15:11.55 | lindi- | eshat: the acpi stuff is provided by the manufacturer |
| 15:11.59 | Devil_Kin | hey folks... where is the proper place to put device configuration these days for Xorg? |
| 15:12.02 | Pnux | eshat: i think you will have more luck asking powertop |
| 15:12.10 | wols | eshat: your desktop environment should come with a batterymeter |
| 15:12.12 | Devil_Kin | it used to be hal, then udev, now i read stuff about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? |
| 15:12.15 | rgr | lol. you reckon its reporting wrong values. Who would guessed that! |
| 15:12.33 | wols | Devil_Kin: more context needed |
| 15:12.34 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 15:12.48 | eshat | Pnux: you mean #powertop ? |
| 15:12.57 | Devil_Kin | wols: synaptics touchpad configuration, where to put it... as it is not taken anymore from udev after some upgrades |
| 15:13.08 | Devil_Kin | wols: running sid |
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| 15:13.26 | Pnux | eshat: i dont know how you can get help with that particular soft, it should say on their official page |
| 15:13.29 | dury | an url to paste, please |
| 15:13.40 | eshat | I now found, that powertop also reports another value, called "long time". it there says, that it is using 38 W and will last 2 hours... |
| 15:14.11 | eshat | Devil_Kin: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 15:14.31 | eshat | but 38 W can't be true, can it ? |
| 15:14.44 | Devil_Kin | eshat: said directory doesn't exist, though |
| 15:14.53 | eshat | Devil_Kin: create it |
| 15:14.57 | Devil_Kin | k |
| 15:14.59 | salvin | Is it normal: http://paste.debian.net/68420/ ? |
| 15:15.00 | wols | Devil_Kin: that's why you create it |
| 15:15.07 | eshat | what do u want to configure... tabbing and scrolling ? |
| 15:15.31 | wols | salvin: what do you think is wrong? |
| 15:15.42 | salvin | wols: the time |
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| 15:17.14 | dury | can't download packages... can someone assist me please? |
| 15:17.41 | salvin | wols: 55 seconds for a grub update |
| 15:18.16 | dury | wols: an url to paste... do you know? |
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| 15:18.34 | Devil_Kin | eshat: tapping (both one-two-three finger tapping), mouse speeds, the works |
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| 15:22.11 | Devil_Kin | eshat: k, thx, that did it |
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| 15:23.42 | wols | !tell dury about paste |
| 15:23.59 | matu | please how to launch "firefox" without launching "iceweasel" ? even launching /usr/bin/firefox it launches iceweasel... |
| 15:24.01 | wols | !tell dury about bat |
| 15:24.22 | matu | iceweasel is /usr/bin/iceweasel... |
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| 15:24.32 | babilen | wipped: No. I mean to read the manpage and especially the description of the -R option - You could do something like "chmod -R u+rwX /some/dir/" |
| 15:24.39 | smacnay | matu, iceweasel is firefox - it is the "Debian" rebrand of firefox |
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| 15:25.33 | matu | ah too bad i can't install "Adblock Plus" on iceweasel |
| 15:25.55 | matu | :( |
| 15:25.55 | wipped | babilen: wow, late reaction |
| 15:26.13 | babilen | wipped: wasn't here - just came back and read your message |
| 15:26.17 | matu | my cpu loads at 55% because of the Flash advertising |
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| 15:26.20 | Researcher | is now away: You Can find me on Dalnet/Freenode/IrcNet/Efnet/GameSuge/Ircbox.com |
| 15:26.25 | matu | what should i do smacnay ? |
| 15:26.37 | azeem | Researcher: please turn off public away |
| 15:26.50 | ViZ | how can i stop an install (kde) during the middle of the installation? |
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| 15:26.57 | azeem | ViZ: you cannot, AFAIK |
| 15:27.04 | wipped | k |
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| 15:27.28 | azeem | matu: did you try to install xul-ext-adblock-plus? |
| 15:27.30 | azeem | ,versions xul-ext-adblock-plus |
| 15:27.31 | judd | xul-ext-adblock-plus -- sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1 |
| 15:27.33 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:27.44 | ViZ | azeem: damn... thanks |
| 15:27.44 | matu | no, what is it ? |
| 15:27.51 | azeem | adblock plus? |
| 15:28.00 | Researcher | is now away: You Can find me on Dalnet/Freenode/IrcNet/Efnet/GameSuge/Ircbox.com |
| 15:28.07 | matu | why about this strange name ? i just tried to install this from the site |
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| 15:28.11 | azeem | ,versions adblock-plus |
| 15:28.12 | judd | adblock-plus -- lenny: 0.7.5.5-3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1 |
| 15:28.16 | azeem | or that one |
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| 15:31.08 | matu | ah yes it is installing, i hope i wont have to deal with these stupid advertising |
| 15:32.16 | dury | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1859349 |
| 15:32.35 | rom1v | hi again |
| 15:32.47 | smacnay | matu, use iceweasel |
| 15:32.52 | rom1v | I have bash-completion installed, but it works only for simple user, not for root |
| 15:33.00 | rom1v | apt-get ins<tab> doesn't write install |
| 15:33.07 | rom1v | in root (but it does for simple user) |
| 15:33.16 | smacnay | matu, you should be able to install most addons in iceweasel - what version are you running? |
| 15:33.25 | matu | i use this but try to watch site site : gameblog.fr |
| 15:33.29 | matu | it is full of adversiting |
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| 15:33.40 | matu | i installed this from apt-get |
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| 15:34.19 | matu | oh in fact it looks it works |
| 15:34.27 | dury | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1859350 |
| 15:34.30 | babilen | rom1v: Edit root's ~/.bashrc and include the part on bash_completion (copy it from /etc/skel/ if it's not there) |
| 15:34.32 | matu | it just remain the advertising of "Blazblue" |
| 15:34.36 | matu | s |
| 15:34.40 | smacnay | matu, sometimes I use the extensions found online |
| 15:34.59 | beardy | rom1v: I don't use it. But I guess it's loaded/configured in the user's ~/.bash_profile , ~/bashrc then? How do you get to root? Login, or su, xterm? |
| 15:35.15 | rom1v | su - |
| 15:35.19 | rom1v | I try |
| 15:35.55 | matu | but it was just unbearable to see these "enlarge your penis, test your iq, meet some girl in your country" etc |
| 15:36.07 | wols | dury: empty page. utterly empty |
| 15:37.05 | matu | thanks to the loosers clicking these sites |
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| 15:37.41 | matu | iceweasel 3.0.6.3 |
| 15:37.55 | rom1v | I decommented the bash completion part in /etc/bash.bashrc and it works |
| 15:37.56 | rom1v | thank you |
| 15:38.13 | babilen | rom1v: np |
| 15:38.16 | dury | wols: http://paste.debian.net/68427/ |
| 15:38.36 | rom1v | What is the package to add for being able to open "Launch" when Alt+F2 |
| 15:38.42 | rom1v | (and opening the menu with Alt+F1) |
| 15:38.44 | matu | 73% hum hum ! |
| 15:38.45 | dury | wols see if there are something there |
| 15:38.53 | wols | dury: either you are not root or there is another apt using program running already |
| 15:39.02 | azeem | rom1v: it's a matter of configuring your keybindings |
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| 15:39.08 | wols | dury: ps aux |grep apt for example |
| 15:39.13 | rom1v | ok |
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| 15:40.31 | rom1v | I enabled it using ccsm (compiz, which just write the right values in gconf, it works) |
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| 15:41.16 | JanJacobs | heh |
| 15:41.46 | dury | wols: http://paste.debian.net/68428/ |
| 15:41.49 | rom1v | is there a better way to set compiz as the default window manager than writing "export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz" in .gnomerc ? |
| 15:42.10 | azeem | you can set it system-wide via the x-windo-manager alternative I believe |
| 15:42.34 | azeem | though hrm |
| 15:42.38 | JanJacobs | does anyone know of a debian based SBS that compares to windows sbs? :) |
| 15:42.40 | azeem | that might not be what Gnome looks for |
| 15:42.40 | beardy | !choose window manager |
| 15:42.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, choose window manager is either add 'exec window-manage-of-choice' to the bottom of ~/.xsession (and use startx, xdm or the 'Debian' session in gdm or whatever) or 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager'. The former will override the latter. see wm |
| 15:42.42 | mvk | fellas > for my audio to work, i need to use my black-output jack port |
| 15:42.55 | mvk | under windowz, its green (i got a dualboot system, for gaming) |
| 15:42.57 | matu | smacnay: are you used to use adblock plus ? |
| 15:43.05 | mvk | can i configure debian to use the green port? |
| 15:43.12 | mvk | that should be default imho! |
| 15:43.13 | azeem | JanJacobs: what is "SBS"? |
| 15:43.19 | JanJacobs | small business server |
| 15:43.33 | azeem | euh |
| 15:43.44 | JanJacobs | i know i know.. linux can do all that.. but erm,.. it lacks a configuration thingy.. like, web based, or gui programs |
| 15:43.57 | azeem | doesn't it include exchange? |
| 15:43.58 | beardy | No. |
| 15:44.13 | beardy | It does not lack, because you do not need. |
| 15:44.31 | azeem | JanJacobs: maybe by the Univention Corporate Server, it's Debian based |
| 15:44.35 | rom1v | compiz is installed, but update-alternatives --config -window-manager doesn't give compiz as an option |
| 15:44.37 | azeem | if you don't want to setup things yourself |
| 15:44.46 | pipeline | "debian-based" is pretty scary |
| 15:44.47 | azeem | rom1v: it's x-windo-manager |
| 15:44.55 | azeem | x-window-manager, even |
| 15:45.10 | JanJacobs | the problem is, i have a client that wants a linux server, after the so many'th error with windows :) |
| 15:45.14 | JanJacobs | i know some debian.. |
| 15:45.28 | pipeline | JanJacobs: the reason people piss all over web and gui configuration apps is that none of them work well. |
| 15:45.29 | azeem | JanJacobs: so sell him support? |
| 15:45.33 | azeem | them* |
| 15:45.46 | JanJacobs | but not enough to maintain a whole sbs im afraid.. especially not if i have to digg into config files. |
| 15:45.48 | azeem | and admin it yourself |
| 15:45.55 | wols | dury: the answer is in your paste. so fix it |
| 15:45.59 | beardy | Hire someone that can then. |
| 15:46.03 | azeem | JanJacobs: then get somebody else to sell them support |
| 15:46.04 | pipeline | JanJacobs: Software developers for linux do not expect you to use anything but their standard means of configuration. The web and gui configuration tools you see are all weird little nonstandard things made by third parties. |
| 15:46.08 | smacnay | matu, no, but I have used enigmail, wot, noscript, and others |
| 15:46.18 | JanJacobs | hmz |
| 15:46.20 | rom1v | yes, x-window-manager (I didn't wrote the x on irc) |
| 15:46.28 | azeem | pipeline: you know swat is made by the samba team? |
| 15:46.31 | pipeline | JanJacobs: the end result is that none of them work well. If you're not confortable with the standard means of configuration, you're pretty screwed. There's no really useful alternative. |
| 15:46.31 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 15:46.33 | rom1v | it gives only metacity (manual), metacity (automatic) and twm |
| 15:46.36 | rom1v | not compiz |
| 15:46.38 | azeem | rom1v: then maybe compiz is broken |
| 15:46.43 | smacnay | matu, also lightning. although there is a debian package for that one now. iceowl-extension |
| 15:46.55 | pipeline | azeem: yeah, but swat still isn't very good :( |
| 15:47.05 | azeem | I didn't claim it was |
| 15:47.10 | JanJacobs | heh |
| 15:47.11 | pipeline | azeem: it's not like cups, where the web interface actually beats the heck out of configuring it by hand |
| 15:47.20 | azeem | ah, another counter-example |
| 15:47.37 | pipeline | but the cups web interface IS the standard means of configuration, made by the cups authors |
| 15:47.42 | pipeline | it's not a weirdo third party module |
| 15:47.57 | pipeline | cups is the rare exception: a unix daemon that can be configured without a text editor ;) |
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| 15:48.18 | dury | wols: what you mean...? could you drive me please? |
| 15:48.40 | wols | dury: I told you, you have apt still open. and no, I don't handhold |
| 15:48.54 | JanJacobs | i suppose they'll just learn to live with windows, then :) |
| 15:49.10 | beardy | Either that or you learn to use Debian. |
| 15:49.12 | pipeline | JanJacobs: yeah that's a rock and a hard place for small businesses |
| 15:49.19 | wols | JanJacobs: afaik, there are some RH based SBS distros out there |
| 15:49.26 | Titan8990 | pipeline: there are also CLI untilities such as lpadmin |
| 15:49.34 | pipeline | JanJacobs: Linux staff are expensive as hell, licensing is cheap. Windows staff is cheap as hell, licensing is brutal. |
| 15:49.51 | JanJacobs | heh |
| 15:49.53 | dury | how do I close it then wols? |
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| 15:50.26 | wols | dury: go to the window/tty where apt is open and you know |
| 15:50.27 | beardy | (The Linux staff most likely know how to or can figure out how to, do everything the windows people do, they just don't want to. The opposite is not true.) |
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| 15:50.41 | wols | dury: and please finally start learning something about the OS you use |
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| 15:52.01 | JanJacobs | i'll just have to plunge in, and hope i can swim long enough in the linux pond to not drown :) |
| 15:52.22 | beardy | You'll be fine. |
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| 15:52.29 | beardy | !reference |
| 15:52.29 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 15:52.33 | JanJacobs | ohhh im so not :) |
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| 15:52.35 | beardy | JanJacobs: ^^^ |
| 15:52.45 | JanJacobs | bookmarked :) |
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| 15:54.33 | fruitwerks | how do I figure out what version of something is installed using apt-get or aptitude |
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| 15:55.10 | wols | fruitwerks: you don't. use dpkg -l <package> instead |
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| 15:58.10 | DebFeint | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ ×ÓÅÍ! |
| 15:58.40 | rom1v | beardy, I added "exec compiz" at the end of ~/.xsession, but when I log I have a black screen. Using update-alternatives, compiz is not a choice. I tried with "export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz" in .gnomerc, I have no window decorations and compiz is not launched. However, if I manually execute "compiz --replace" in a shell, it works⦠|
| 15:58.43 | changedsoul | Hi, Im trying to compile a wireless driver for a 2.6.33 kernel, but getting this error: http://www.pastebin.org/147039 Does anyone know how I might get around this? |
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| 15:58.51 | rom1v | so I don't know how to use compiz as a default wm |
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| 15:59.28 | beardy | rom1v: If you add "compiz --replace" at the end of .xsession then? |
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| 15:59.45 | beardy | rom1v: "exec compiz --replace" |
| 16:00.05 | rom1v | I try |
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| 16:00.47 | rom1v | same problem, black screen |
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| 16:02.01 | beardy | rom1v: Have you tried asking in #compiz? |
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| 16:03.50 | beardy | rom1v: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz scroll down to "Add "compiz --replace" to "Desktop -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs", or" |
| 16:04.31 | rom1v | but in that case, it will load metacity, then replace it by compiz (why not launch compiz directly), no? |
| 16:04.53 | Rienzilla | hmm. If a package depends on 'packagename (>= 1.2)', and I want to make an empty equivs package to satisfy that dependency, what can I put in the Provides: line? just 'packagename' seems not to be enough? |
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| 16:05.15 | beardy | rom1v: I don't know, never ran it myself. See which works and determine if the function or hackishness/niceness is more important. |
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| 16:05.35 | rom1v | ok |
| 16:05.47 | scarebyte | hi, i cant find emerald in debian squeeze |
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| 16:06.16 | riot | hi |
| 16:06.28 | scarebyte | any idea in which repo is it? |
| 16:06.38 | wols | changedsoul: install the headers for your kernel |
| 16:06.43 | babilen | scarebyte: emerald is not packaged in Debian |
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| 16:06.50 | riot | is there a way to find out what exact path (the basename) a source package has been unpacked to after |
| 16:07.03 | riot | "apt-get source" (sorry, for multiline.. ;/) |
| 16:07.13 | wols | riot: it's always unpacked to ~ |
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| 16:07.18 | changedsoul | babilen: this is probable a stupid question, but I have the kernel source installed...arent the headers with that? |
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| 16:07.22 | reber | hi all. I have nothing in the taskbar ? ideas how to show process in the taskbar ? |
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| 16:07.27 | wols | riot: sorry. unpacked to cwd rather. my bad |
| 16:07.35 | nsadmin | riot: try: ls |
| 16:07.40 | Titan8990 | changedsoul: only if you left the sources that you built in /usr/src |
| 16:07.40 | scarebyte | babilen, ok, why they didnt packaged it? cos fusion icon is packaged |
| 16:07.45 | wols | changedsoul: no they are not. where did you get your kernel? |
| 16:07.52 | Rienzilla | or is it not possible to satisfy a dependency on a package with version number using a virtual package? (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html seems to indicate that in 7.5) |
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| 16:08.03 | babilen | changedsoul: no - there are distinct packages for that (linux-headers-yadda-yadda) |
| 16:08.05 | g3brown | what most common partition tool to partition > 2tb since fdisk doesn't work for that? |
| 16:08.06 | riot | i'd prefer not to, as i'm writing a script that apt-gets many sources and needs to do automated tasks to the unpacked packages |
| 16:08.14 | nsadmin | changedsoul headers are mostly generated |
| 16:08.19 | changedsoul | babilen: ahh |
| 16:08.25 | changedsoul | there is allot to learn |
| 16:08.31 | wols | g3brown: try cfdisk or (g)parted |
| 16:08.35 | babilen | scarebyte: No idea - I never had the slightest interest in compiz - google might help, there might be an ITP somehwere or so |
| 16:08.48 | nsadmin | you should allot yourself the time to learn allot! |
| 16:08.53 | g3brown | wols: thx |
| 16:09.07 | scarebyte | ok babilen, thx |
| 16:09.36 | changedsoul | wols: I got the kernel and kernel source from a rpm install. I use suse as me distro but thought I would ask a compiling question here because debian usres to me are more kowladgable |
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| 16:10.35 | Titan8990 | changedsoul: does that mean your not running debian? |
| 16:10.44 | changedsoul | babilen: what if i got a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. how would i get the headers? |
| 16:10.50 | reber | kde task bar |
| 16:10.55 | changedsoul | Titan8990: yes, I am not running debian |
| 16:11.21 | riot | so apt or dpkg never know how the unpacked source-package-directory is called? |
| 16:11.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.22 | Titan8990 | it makes a mess of it too |
| 16:12.23 | nsadmin | the answers given here are applicable to debian... as long as you're ok with the possibility it won't work for you, then you might as well ask away. probably the differences won't be explained to you, in favor of helping someone who needs help with debian |
| 16:12.24 | riot | wols: the files get downloaded and unpacked there, but how do i find out (without ls ;) where the unpacked source is? |
| 16:12.25 | babilen | changedsoul: Sorry - I can tell you how to solve that problem in Debian. Other distributions or those derived from Debian are *not* supported in here |
| 16:12.25 | wols | changedsoul: good thing the correct answer was utterly useless for you. hopefully you learn something from it. have a nice day |
| 16:12.47 | wols | riot: package name is the directory it's in |
| 16:13.01 | riot | wols: that would be nice, but sadly isn't always true |
| 16:13.30 | changedsoul | babilen: ok, thank you for being upfront and not vulgar. |
| 16:13.48 | Titan8990 | riot: they should most be programname-version |
| 16:14.07 | nsadmin | changedsoul: having said all that... you could choose to get with the fkin program and find a spare box to put debian on. |
| 16:14.08 | babilen | changedsoul: No problem. Please ask in #opensuse (might be ##opensuse) or ##linux |
| 16:14.21 | Titan8990 | riot: debian policy may even dictate that |
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| 16:14.33 | changedsoul | babilen: #linux. Ill try there. thanks |
| 16:15.23 | riot | hmm. I have a package called "libxt-dev" that will be unpacked to "libxt-1.0.7" |
| 16:15.34 | rom1v | beardy, ok I found a better way : in gconf, set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager to compiz instead of gnome-wm |
| 16:15.42 | riot | which would confuse the hell out of my script.. :( |
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| 16:16.30 | beardy | rom1v: Ok, is it mentioned on the wiki? Otherwise, add it. :) |
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| 16:17.13 | wols | riot: it's a dev package. and just check what version the package has. you will find it's 1.0.7... |
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| 16:17.45 | wols | riot: also you can create a new directory, cd in there and apt-get source. then the only directory in there will be your source directory |
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| 16:18.12 | riot | wols: hmhm, good points. I'll try and make something out of that. Thanks everyone. |
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| 16:21.28 | albech_ | how can i tell which sub version of drupal is in the package provided (drupal6)? |
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| 16:22.34 | Titan8990 | albech_: aptitude show drupal6 |
| 16:22.38 | nsadmin | compare all files to an existing version? |
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| 16:24.30 | albech_ | thanks. guess i better install it by hand. it is 6 releases behind |
| 16:25.08 | azeem | albech_: are you running Debian stable? |
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| 16:25.55 | albech_ | azeem, yes |
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| 16:26.21 | Titan8990 | web applications is one of the few things I don't use a package manager for |
| 16:26.27 | albech_ | azeem, i might be the only one ;) |
| 16:26.41 | azeem | albech_: then you should be aware that you are responsible for security support from then on |
| 16:26.47 | albech_ | Titan8990, i usually dont on my other systems as well |
| 16:27.08 | azeem | albech_: also, there's a 6.16 version in lenny-backports |
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| 16:42.22 | lebron | Hello, I just installed adito (openvpn), On my server i run apache2, ssh , webmin. now i was thinking instead of forwarding in my router 4 ports would it be possible to close 2 (ssh / webmin) and run them trough adito, so i can connect to my adito and then at that point locally connect to eg webmin/ssh? or am i totally off grid? : thx in advance :) |
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| 16:43.49 | CaBa | hm... when a US tv station displays two hours for a program... what timeszones are those? the US are split in 4 timezones, aren't they? |
| 16:44.48 | CaBa | lebron: you wouldn't wanna require a vpn connection for ssh |
| 16:45.12 | wols | and making webmin publically accessible is terminally stupid |
| 16:45.18 | Titan8990 | !webmin |
| 16:45.18 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 16:45.57 | lebron | mzz oke, at the time it looked like something nifty.. :) |
| 16:46.27 | CaBa | well... if you need webmin you probably don't know enough about IP to run a VPN server... or to run a server at all :P |
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| 16:46.37 | lebron | lol |
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| 16:48.04 | rom1v | is it possible to have the same notification tooltip as in ubuntu in debian? |
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| 16:48.36 | rom1v | ( see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/arhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253chives/253 |
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| 16:48.46 | rom1v | (! flash !) |
| 16:49.36 | azeem | rom1v: dunno |
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| 16:49.47 | azeem | rom1v: they have not yet submitted this to Gnome |
| 16:49.52 | azeem | AFAIK |
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| 16:50.17 | azeem | rom1v: try installing notify-osd maybe |
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| 16:50.42 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 16:50.48 | metalfan_ | is postfix running chrooted in lenny? |
| 16:51.20 | wols | yes |
| 16:51.27 | Titan8990 | I have heard that it does. might mention it in the debian readme |
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| 16:51.40 | wols | it does. and what tells you is your master.cf |
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| 16:55.26 | metalfan_ | most of the chroot lines are - |
| 16:55.36 | metalfan_ | others contain an "n" |
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| 16:57.02 | metalfan_ | so to what directory is postfix chrooted then? |
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| 17:11.21 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:41.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.09 | kittonian | hi all. i need some serious help here. i did a very bad thing and now the box seems to be a bit fsck'd |
| 17:53.05 | kittonian | i have an old deb server running a 2.4.x kernel and i needed to install something and the source compile asked for pkg-config. so i did an apt-get and it had a lot of dependencies. i didn't notice that some of those deps would cause a major issue and now apt-get doesn't work, make doesn't work, if I do an apt-get -f install it tried to install libc6 but fails because it wants a 2.6 kernel. when i went to compile the 2.6 ke |
| 17:53.05 | kittonian | rnel it came back with an error because it couldn't run make menuconfig due to dependency issues |
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| 17:56.46 | pallgone | kittonian: what does aptitude say? |
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| 17:59.44 | kittonian | pallgone: what do you mean? |
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| 18:02.55 | wols | !tell kittonian about bat |
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| 18:05.39 | rom | hi |
| 18:05.51 | rom | I have debian testing, Iceweasel is 3.5.8 |
| 18:05.55 | rom | does unstable have 3.6.x? |
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| 18:06.51 | Sneex | rom: FF 3.6.3 unbranded can be manually installed and use instead of iceweasel |
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| 18:07.19 | rom | ok, but does iceweasel 3.6.x released in sid? |
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| 18:08.00 | streuner_ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 18:08.02 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.8-1; sid: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1 |
| 18:08.29 | rom | ok |
| 18:08.33 | rom | thanks |
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| 18:11.59 | Sneex | Is the /etc/ssh/moduli file used or not currently used in Debian 5.0.4 - I deleted it :P |
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| 18:18.30 | slidesinger-lt | Running tftpd on a laptop. Occasional use only (working with switches, routers, etc.) Better to run as a daemon or still use inet.d? |
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| 18:20.26 | beardy | slidesinger-lt: Up to you I'd say. You might be more likely to remember to stop a daemon than to comment out things in inetd.conf after you're done. |
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| 18:21.26 | beardy | slidesinger-lt: Simplest to use it as it's used by default, whichever it is. |
| 18:21.40 | SerajewelKS | i've installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from experimental, but when i try to start X using it, i get "FATAL: Module nouveau not found." even though there is a nouveau_drv.so sitting alongside e.g. nvidia_drv.so |
| 18:21.55 | SerajewelKS | any insight into why X would be unable to find it? |
| 18:22.02 | slidesinger-lt | Thank you, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to do one way over the other. |
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| 18:22.52 | SerajewelKS | i can pastebin the entire X log if that would be helpful, but i don't think it would be |
| 18:24.36 | ham5 | so you must be somewhat in the right direction |
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| 18:25.24 | SerajewelKS | ah seems it's the kernel module it's looking for... |
| 18:25.41 | SerajewelKS | fantastic |
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| 18:29.40 | Computer | im trying to figure out why my computer is hanging on "Starting PPTP Daemon" |
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| 18:30.01 | Computer | i just apt-get installed pptpd and edited the configs and then /etc/init.d/pptpd restart |
| 18:30.07 | Computer | and it just hangs there |
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| 18:30.27 | Computer | i set it up like this http://pigtail.net/nicholas/pptp/ |
| 18:31.05 | dkay | hello computer this is irc, irc this is computer! says hello to eachother :P /offtopic |
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| 18:31.25 | Computer | o_O |
| 18:31.59 | dkay | i would hang there with u till something happend^^ no idea |
| 18:32.00 | dkay | :P |
| 18:32.32 | SerajewelKS | Computer: he is a troll or a moron... |
| 18:33.08 | dkay | neither, but nvm |
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| 18:33.26 | Computer | dont listen to him dkay its cool |
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| 18:34.03 | dkay | ye kk :! |
| 18:34.08 | ham5 | is pptp graphical? |
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| 18:34.49 | dkay | :P^^ |
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| 18:35.23 | ham5 | why not just ftp |
| 18:35.36 | babilen | Computer: Sorry - I am not intimately familiar with pptp but given the jokes you have to endure here I would suggest to ask in #debian on irc.freenode.net as well |
| 18:35.53 | SerajewelKS | ham5: pptp is a VPN protocol, not a file transfer protocol |
| 18:35.59 | babilen | er, irc.oftc.net :) |
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| 18:36.56 | SerajewelKS | ham5: apples and oranges comparison aside, anything is better than ftp :) |
| 18:37.06 | Computer | everything is better than ftp |
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| 18:38.04 | babilen | Computer: You could also add "set -x" to the init script, that will print commands and their arguments as they are executed. That would help to figure out where it hangs exactly |
| 18:38.22 | babilen | Computer: Add that after the shebang line |
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| 18:38.41 | Computer | good idea babilen |
| 18:39.22 | babilen | Computer: Do you use dash as your default interpreter? |
| 18:39.36 | Computer | dash? interpreter? |
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| 18:39.57 | SerajewelKS | !dash |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | dash is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 18:40.17 | Computer | interesting |
| 18:40.20 | babilen | Computer: nevermind - just add the "set -x" and run it again ... that might provide some insights. |
| 18:40.22 | Computer | no, its bash. standard lenny |
| 18:40.26 | babilen | alright |
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| 18:42.17 | Computer | Starting PPTP Daemon: + start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/pptpd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/pptpd -- |
| 18:42.25 | babilen | !paste |
| 18:42.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 18:42.35 | Computer | babilen: thats one line. |
| 18:42.38 | babilen | ah |
| 18:42.41 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 18:42.55 | babilen | could you execute that command with strace please |
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| 18:44.09 | Computer | output is a bunch of lines that all real "read(3, ""..., 1024) = 0" |
| 18:44.17 | Computer | s/real/read |
| 18:44.22 | mvk | can i change the jackoutput in Debian (its black now, i want it to be green) of my VIA? |
| 18:44.31 | babilen | Computer: Oh, I see that you've followed a tutorial for etch - are you running etch? |
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| 18:45.01 | babilen | Computer: Could you paste some of these lines |
| 18:47.28 | Computer | no, its lenny |
| 18:47.43 | Computer | babilen: they all are exactly like that line |
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| 18:48.33 | babilen | Computer: Could you paste the content of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:49.55 | babilen | And the lines *before* the ones that read "read(3, ""..., 1024) = 0" |
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| 18:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | Computer: I wonder if there's anything in your logs that might be useful? |
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| 18:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: btw this is the freenode channel. |
| 18:53.26 | babilen | thank you :) |
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| 19:03.37 | g00se | Wondering why wodim identifies my DVD writer as 'TOSHIBA' 'DVD-ROM SD-R6112' - is it a firmware issue? |
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| 19:06.43 | aguitel | anyone work with laptop pavillion dv4-1212 in debian? |
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| 19:07.30 | babilen | aguitel: That is hard to answer, do you? |
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| 19:08.17 | aguitel | babilen, why |
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| 19:08.50 | babilen | I don't think there is any website that tracks Debian installations on HP pavillion dv4-1212 laptops |
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| 19:09.47 | aguitel | babilen, yes i know but i am looking for some people that work with this laptop |
| 19:09.53 | babilen | why? |
| 19:10.07 | babilen | just ask ;) |
| 19:10.24 | aguitel | i am installing now squeeze in this |
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| 19:13.50 | qwd | babilen: what I'd do is look at the hardware and google that instead if you don't find anything on the particular model |
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| 19:14.36 | babilen | aguitel: Do you need help with anything? Why don't you install a stable and supported Debian release? (i.e. lenny) |
| 19:14.45 | cahoot | is it possible (and if so how) to get a list of recommends for already installed packages? |
| 19:16.09 | aguitel | babilen, coz the kernel is old |
| 19:16.46 | babilen | aguitel: Install a newer one from backports or use the kmuto installer, /msg dpkg bpo and /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:17.44 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 19:18.50 | mvk | can anyone tell me, how can i get sound of of my green soundcard jack instead of the black one? |
| 19:19.28 | dvs | mvk: sounds like you need to fiddle with alsamixer |
| 19:19.42 | mvk | dvs, can alsamixer do that? :/ |
| 19:19.59 | dvs | mvk: Yes, it can turn on and off channels. |
| 19:20.13 | dvs | mvk: It sounds like the front channels are muted |
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| 19:20.54 | mvk | dvs, i only see two channgels, master and pcm |
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| 19:21.21 | dvs | mvk: Try using the TAB key to get to other sound devices. |
| 19:21.38 | mvk | dvs, :i only have 3 channels under <ALL> |
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| 19:22.02 | mvk | also if i press f5 |
| 19:22.08 | mvk | VIA ID 397 |
| 19:22.11 | dvs | mvk: Hmm... I don't know then. |
| 19:22.19 | mvk | ok thanks m8 |
| 19:23.49 | metalfan_ | have to tell postfix to lookup /var/run/dovecot/auth-master for sasl from dovecot, but im unsure what to append to "smtpd_sasl_path" the docecot howto says private/auth but that didnt work |
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| 19:24.40 | metalfan_ | im also unsure to what directory postfix is chrooted |
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| 19:40.32 | conrivan44 | hello everyone!!! |
| 19:41.30 | conrivan44 | I'm new in here and seeking nice people to chat with! |
| 19:41.35 | conrivan44 | Any takers?? |
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| 19:41.56 | babilen | this is not a social channel, but rather one for Debian support |
| 19:42.05 | conrivan44 | Ah, sorry!! |
| 19:42.11 | babilen | if you are searching for a place to chat join #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:44.22 | silner | So what causes the red crossed network manager icon in status area? Just moved to Deb testing today. |
| 19:44.49 | pom | I'm having trouble making start-stop-daemon to recognize that an application is running. It just tells me it didn't find any process thus not killing any: http://debian.pastebin.com/1dKPg5B8 |
| 19:45.32 | JasonLaptop | hi all. I am running into an issue with a lenny server crashing due to |
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| 19:45.55 | Squawk | Hey guys, whats the "standard" remote desktop client/server setup? Two machines running debian |
| 19:46.35 | babilen | pom: You are using an unsupported lighthttp version in /usr/local - use the init script provided with your manual installation |
| 19:47.09 | babilen | !tell Squawk about vnc |
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| 19:47.53 | babilen | Squawk: If you want to know which one is the most popular one /msg dpkg popcon and check the numbers. I know many people use tightvnc |
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| 19:48.05 | JasonLaptop | hi all. I am running into an issue with a lenny server crashing due to running out of memory. I keep seeing a find command using alot of processor/memory, when i do ps aux | grep find i see |
| 19:48.06 | JasonLaptop | root 14127 0.0 0.0 8832 1148 ? Ss 12:09 0:00 /bin/sh -c [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -n 200 -r -0 rm |
| 19:48.06 | JasonLaptop | root 14128 19.2 17.8 1475084 1465108 ? D 12:09 1:46 find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +4320 -print0 |
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| 19:48.12 | JasonLaptop | any thoughts? |
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| 19:49.00 | babilen | php madness |
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| 19:50.06 | JasonLaptop | babilen: i kinda figured that but why? whats taht doing, sme kind of sessions thing? |
| 19:50.13 | Milp10 | hey, in ubuntu ive got a process running in the background eating up all cpu, how can i find out its Job Id so i can switch it to forgeground? (its an instance of ffmpeg running, i cant kill it either) |
| 19:50.21 | babilen | !ubuntu |
| 19:50.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 19:50.46 | jhamlin_ | in kde 3.5 is there a way to make a keybinding for an arbitrary command? From control center it seems I can only bind to apps that are in the menu... |
| 19:51.01 | babilen | JasonLaptop: You might want to check that with pstree and/or htop (in tree format) to find out the parent process |
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| 19:51.13 | pom | babilen: How does start-stop-daemon know what is supported and not? |
| 19:52.06 | tapout | anyone know of a mail client on debian that accepts a customized port? |
| 19:52.23 | babilen | pom: is killall lighthttpd working? |
| 19:52.35 | pom | babilen: yes. |
| 19:52.55 | slidesinger-lt | Is there an easy way to test if tftpd is working correctly? I have already confirmed that it is running, but wish to eliminate my laptop as the issue as the switch keeps saying file not found. |
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| 19:53.36 | babilen | pom: Hmm, I guess that the init script does not work with the manually installed version of lighttpd - write "set -x" into the line after the hashbang to see what it is doing . |
| 19:53.47 | babilen | pom: What installed the init script? |
| 19:53.54 | Squawk | babilen, thanks |
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| 19:54.12 | pom | babilen: It's the one from apt. |
| 19:54.25 | babilen | pom: Why don't you use lighthttp from Debian? |
| 19:54.25 | pom | I thought I could alter it to work with lighty 1.5. |
| 19:54.48 | pom | babilen: I'm trying 1.5. Couldn't find it as a package. |
| 19:55.06 | babilen | well, guess you have to support it yourself - start with adapting the init script if you want to use that to start/stop your custom install. I gave you a tip how you could debug it |
| 19:55.15 | babilen | ,versions lighthttpd |
| 19:55.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lighthttpd' was found. |
| 19:55.30 | pom | babilen: Greatly appreciated. |
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| 19:56.09 | babilen | gah, always the same typo |
| 19:56.16 | babilen | ,versions lighttpd |
| 19:56.18 | peterrooney | ,versions lighttpd |
| 19:56.18 | judd | lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch11; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; sid: 1.4.26-1.1; squeeze: 1.4.26-1.1 |
| 19:56.25 | peterrooney | heh |
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| 19:57.02 | babilen | pom: yeah, 1.5 has not yet been packaged for Debian and unfortunately unsupported here. They might have their own channel ... sorry :-\ |
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| 19:57.35 | babilen | peterrooney: thanks ... they wanted to be smart with their name, but i always type both words :) |
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| 19:59.22 | babilen | pom: Isn't 1.4.26 the latest stable release? |
| 19:59.35 | pom | babilen: I think so. |
| 19:59.57 | babilen | pom: Why don't you use that? |
| 19:59.57 | Sia-- | on my machine CPU is 92.3%wa and everything crashed. i use the machine just for webserver no gui no extra package standard LAMP |
| 20:00.07 | pom | I usually run the packaged releases, but I'm feeling nasty tonight. |
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| 20:00.40 | pom | babilen: It's for learning/experimental purposes. Apparently it's a great way to learn more about init.d-scripts |
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| 20:01.01 | babilen | pom: Have fun being nasty - But don't be disappointed if #debian does not offer support :-p - Upstream might hav their own channel that is willing to support you |
| 20:01.47 | pom | babilen: No worries. I just figures "problem" with start-stop-deamon was general. |
| 20:01.59 | pom | ...just figures the "probl... even |
| 20:02.15 | Smiley | ok so my xorg doesn't work :( I dont know whats wrong with it, and theres no "errors" in the xorg log |
| 20:02.40 | Smiley | http://yourpaste.net/5131 << this is a paste of my xorg log when it starts up, can someone take a look for me? |
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| 20:03.52 | babilen | pom: Take a look at the init script and figure out where it stops and what kind of assumptions it makes. You could also try to invoke start-stop-daemon directly (that should work if killall works) ... |
| 20:04.11 | jhamlin_ | Is it really true that the kde in lenny can't do keybindings to shell commands?? I could use xmodmap but then I can't manage my key bindings in control center. Is there some way to do it through control center?? |
| 20:05.14 | babilen | pom: It might be, that it is searching for the existence of some kind of file that is stored in /usr/local and not in /usr and hence confuses the daemon. You are also trying to use an init script for a different *major* release of lighttpd and they might not be compatible at all |
| 20:05.25 | babilen | pom: hence â ask upstream |
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| 20:05.54 | pom | babilen: I solved it. The pid-file specified for start-stop-deamon was never created. |
| 20:06.01 | pom | Now it is. |
| 20:06.22 | pom | And it's working neatly. :) |
| 20:06.40 | Smiley | looks around. |
| 20:06.41 | Smiley | :( |
| 20:06.47 | babilen | pom: yeah, i suspected something like that |
| 20:07.08 | pom | You should be more verbose about your suspicions. ;) |
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| 20:08.28 | babilen | pom: hehe - that's why i wrote "the existence of some kind of file" - should have mentioned pid files explicitly :) |
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| 20:09.30 | Pudgy | I've just found out I use Etch (deb 4.0) as my main app server. As there seem to be no security updates (right?) I'm curious to know if I can just upgrade the whole distro without problems. Any experiences with that here? |
| 20:09.56 | SerajewelKS | !etch->lenny |
| 20:10.06 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 20:10.19 | SerajewelKS | !lenny release notes |
| 20:10.19 | dpkg | methinks lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 20:10.35 | SerajewelKS | Pudgy: read that ^^ |
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| 20:11.08 | Pudgy | SerajewelKS: thanks! |
| 20:11.15 | SerajewelKS | Pudgy: np |
| 20:12.21 | Smiley | Anyone? xorg wont start - error log posted |
| 20:12.27 | Smiley | http://yourpaste.net/5131 |
| 20:12.35 | Smiley | I dont even know why its failing :< |
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| 20:13.43 | LuciusMare | Hi |
| 20:14.03 | LuciusMare | I just ran update, and this huge amount of packages are "held in current version" - what does that mean? |
| 20:14.13 | LuciusMare | Will i break something if i will unhold them and upgrade? |
| 20:14.47 | babilen | Smiley: Sorry , no idea. It's jsut not starting? What are the symptoms? The log does not look that bad ... |
| 20:15.10 | Smiley | babilen: well it appears to start that default really simple wm (twm?) |
| 20:15.12 | Smiley | then it quits out again |
| 20:15.30 | LuciusMare | nevermind, aptitude upgrade solved that... O_o |
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| 20:15.37 | Smiley | All i see is the mouse icon as a cross load in the center of the screen, then it just dies back to command line, with the same output that you just got in the log. |
| 20:15.38 | Selveste1_ | Hey out there, this my sound strange, but I haven't bin able to find suitable answers to this question. I have a Debian Box running iptables 1.4.2, and a nother Debian Box running iptables 1.4.2 the 1. one is my "router" and the 2. one is my IRC, game and HTTP/HTTPS server, and all connection I get on that server is from the router, is there a way to pass the original IP-address through to... |
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| 20:15.39 | Selveste1_ | ...the 2. server.? like a reversed masqueraded package.? |
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| 20:16.16 | babilen | Smiley: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:16.26 | Smiley | erm, I dont actually know |
| 20:16.28 | LuciusMare | Selveste1_: why don't you just set up port forwarding? |
| 20:16.34 | Smiley | I just used an eeePC installer. how would I check? |
| 20:16.39 | babilen | Smiley: hehe ... |
| 20:16.51 | Smiley | I'm a gentoo guy, so this is all still a bit new to me :) |
| 20:16.58 | babilen | !tell Smiley -about version |
| 20:17.01 | babilen | (first line) |
| 20:17.14 | Smiley | 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 |
| 20:17.17 | Smiley | :D |
| 20:17.18 | babilen | Smiley: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure |
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| 20:17.22 | Smiley | fail, ssh'ed into my systeh hahaha |
| 20:17.32 | babilen | laughs |
| 20:17.41 | babilen | ok, one more chance to convince me :) |
| 20:17.45 | Selveste1_ | LuciusMare: I have with DNAT, but when eg. my IRC get a connection, it tells my that its from the "router" is there another way to forward to port.? |
| 20:17.53 | Smiley | 2.6.26-2 |
| 20:18.16 | babilen | ok, that's stable |
| 20:18.23 | Smiley | no links or lynx arguh |
| 20:18.46 | LuciusMare_ | Selveste1_: I believe the connection can be traced |
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| 20:20.08 | Smiley | babilen: im doing this while playing on my main pc's monitor on my 360 heh |
| 20:20.16 | Selveste1_ | LuciusMare: My thoughts to, but it seams that DNAT don't send the original IP-info through |
| 20:21.55 | Smiley | babilen: my xorg appears to be missing any actual "settings" |
| 20:22.15 | LuciusMare | Then sorry, I am unable to help, I just wanted to make sure if you are not trying it the hard way :) |
| 20:22.28 | babilen | !tell Smiley about xorg config lenny |
| 20:22.29 | Smiley | yourpaste.net/5154 |
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| 20:22.46 | Smiley | yourpaste.net/5145 even... |
| 20:23.00 | babilen | Smiley: I'll be back later ... good luck - read the eepc site i gave you and the xorg factoid |
| 20:23.17 | babilen | Smiley: Ah, could you paste "lspci -nn" please |
| 20:23.48 | babilen | Smiley: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 20:24.07 | Smiley | ok heh something is loading |
| 20:24.08 | Selveste1_ | LuciusMare: haha, thanks m8... it just seams that iptables is bad documented, so the learning curve is verry steep :( |
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| 20:24.36 | Smiley | /bin/sh: pastebinit: command not found |
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| 20:25.06 | Smiley | grrrr |
| 20:25.14 | Smiley | this pastebin thing sucks to be quite honest :< |
| 20:25.47 | babilen | !installit |
| 20:25.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:25.58 | Smiley | babilen: was that aimed at me? |
| 20:26.02 | babilen | yeah |
| 20:26.09 | Smiley | i installed pastebinit, and it sucks ;) |
| 20:26.12 | Smiley | wgetpaste rocks. |
| 20:26.25 | Smiley | doesn't appear to be in my aptitude. |
| 20:26.30 | Smiley | so i tried this. but it sucks :D |
| 20:26.52 | babilen | Smiley: yeah, i have to agree pastebinit is the crappiest adomination of Python ever written |
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| 20:27.37 | Smiley | ah glad we agree |
| 20:28.44 | Smiley | wish I had more time to work on this -_-; |
| 20:28.50 | Smiley | !search lspci |
| 20:28.55 | Smiley | ponders |
| 20:29.49 | Smiley | Ah babilen someone in #eeepc just told me debian didn't install a wm _at all_ ? |
| 20:30.09 | babilen | ,file /usr/bin/lspci |
| 20:30.13 | judd | /usr/bin/lspci in lenny/i386: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci |
| 20:30.14 | Smiley | that'd explain why its not working |
| 20:30.16 | babilen | Smiley: no - why should it? |
| 20:30.28 | Smiley | babilen: I thought x came with twm by default |
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| 20:30.45 | babilen | hmm, yeah |
| 20:31.09 | Smiley | however, from doing the x -configure we got the mouse cross to stay on teh screen - it didn't automatically quit out. |
| 20:31.19 | babilen | it's not installed by default |
| 20:31.34 | Smiley | ok |
| 20:31.59 | Smiley | i want something small and simple. no eye candy. Just terminal + some kind of simple launcher for firefox + what ever else I want to launch. |
| 20:32.21 | Smiley | I'm open to suggestions - on my gentoo box i use xfce4, but I've heard thats become bloated. |
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| 20:32.40 | babilen | hmm, try fluxbox and xmonad |
| 20:32.51 | Smiley | ah flux, i've used that before |
| 20:33.01 | babilen | fluxbox is lightweight stacking WM and xmonad is a tiling WM |
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| 20:33.18 | Smiley | is it as easy apt-get install fluxbox? or should i do some more reading? |
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| 20:33.23 | Smiley | tiling? o_O |
| 20:33.25 | babilen | and use aptitude :) |
| 20:33.42 | Smiley | ok hehe |
| 20:33.47 | babilen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
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| 20:36.01 | Smiley | installing no :) |
| 20:36.08 | babilen | what? |
| 20:36.14 | Smiley | now even ;) |
| 20:36.19 | Smiley | typing on eeepc not always easy ;) |
| 20:36.21 | babilen | haha |
| 20:37.00 | babilen | if you are on an eeepc you might actually enjoy a tiling wm ... |
| 20:37.31 | Smiley | i just use it as a console mostly to view my irssi sessions ;) |
| 20:37.39 | babilen | http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/xmonad_layouts_for_netbooks/ |
| 20:37.40 | Smiley | if i could stand links etc then i'd go without X altogether. |
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| 20:38.42 | Smiley | thank you for your help btw babilen - nice to finally be getting somewhere with this. |
| 20:38.50 | Smiley | I was starting to go a little isnane |
| 20:38.53 | Smiley | insane* |
| 20:39.06 | babilen | haha ... always question your assumptions |
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| 20:41.38 | getstring | hello all! |
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| 20:42.44 | SerajewelKS | is there a reason why bugs.debian.org always returns no results when searching by "with subject containing?" |
| 20:43.14 | slyrus_ | is there a way can get the installer to set up eth0 instead of wlan0? |
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| 20:43.54 | ogetstring | I have weird problem with Xorg (xorg-server 2:1.7.6-1) on debian squeeze. When I do ALT+F4 instead of closing the windows it switches console |
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| 20:44.39 | babilen | SerajewelKS: with subject containing? Where can you select that? |
| 20:45.07 | SerajewelKS | babilen: bugs.debian.org |
| 20:45.42 | babilen | yeah sure - which field, seems like i am blind :-\ |
| 20:45.52 | babilen | ahh |
| 20:46.01 | babilen | i am blind :) |
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| 20:46.09 | SerajewelKS | if i put anything in that box i get no results |
| 20:46.43 | babilen | yeah, i can confirm that |
| 20:47.14 | SerajewelKS | :S |
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| 20:49.08 | slyrus_ | anyone gotten squeeze up and running on one of these newfangled H55 motherboards? |
| 20:49.54 | Smiley | urgh |
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| 20:49.59 | Pudgy | damnit... I'm so not looking forward to upgrade my server |
| 20:50.05 | Smiley | why does nothing in the documentation seem to be concise? :< |
| 20:50.13 | babilen | what do you mean? |
| 20:50.26 | Smiley | omg its alive!! |
| 20:51.27 | Smiley | hum |
| 20:51.31 | Smiley | can't start a shell in flux now |
| 20:52.40 | wols_ | slyrus_: define "up and running" |
| 20:53.15 | slyrus_ | you know, system fully installed, graphics/network/etc... working |
| 20:53.28 | Smiley | babilen: i checked for starting fluxbox on the wiki - it said do exec startfluxbox - didn't work, I tried sensible option - startx - works fine :D |
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| 20:54.02 | slyrus_ | i can boot the installer but can't get the wireless network to work and because there's a wireless network (?) i can't make the installer choose to use eth0 instead. |
| 20:54.23 | wols_ | the installer will try all interfaces to get a IP |
| 20:54.39 | slyrus_ | lenny couldn't find the bluray drive, so i switched to squeeze |
| 20:54.57 | wols_ | that was wrong. lenny has backports |
| 20:55.12 | babilen | Smiley: exec fluxbox would be used in your .xsession if you start it from a login manager (like gdm) |
| 20:55.15 | slyrus_ | hmm... yeah, that's what i would have expected, but it doesn't seem to bring up eth0. i was able to manually bring it up, but couldn't get the installer to see it |
| 20:55.23 | slyrus_ | wols_: backports? |
| 20:55.30 | babilen | !backports |
| 20:55.30 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:55.33 | Smiley | babilen: yep, but even for the commandline option it says use exec startfluxbox ;D |
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| 20:55.56 | Smiley | oh wait no it doesn' |
| 20:55.59 | Smiley | doesn't |
| 20:56.07 | slyrus_ | huh. interesting. |
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| 20:56.53 | babilen | Smiley: The manpage mentions "exec fluxbox" together with .xsession |
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| 20:58.44 | slyrus_ | wols_: so was lenny not finding the bluray drive wrong, or the decision to try squeeze? |
| 20:59.01 | Smiley | babilen: i read it wrong -_- my fail. |
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| 20:59.08 | babilen | np |
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| 21:01.20 | Smiley | but still, nothing seems to "load" in fluxbox |
| 21:01.41 | Smiley | The menu pops up ok, but then clicking "reconfigure" "bash" or anything like that doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 21:02.08 | Smiley | Am i missing something vital again? surely it just opens a terminal running whatever you selected.... |
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| 21:03.45 | akritiko | hello guys |
| 21:04.08 | Smiley | no firefox ? wtf |
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| 21:04.27 | Smiley | !help |
| 21:04.51 | SerajewelKS | !tell Smiley about iceweasel |
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| 21:05.08 | akritiko | I'm trying to create an FTP user, via ssh, in a server that runs on debian stable |
| 21:05.39 | Smiley | okie dokie lol |
| 21:05.45 | akritiko | I've been searching around for relative forum posts or anything but I don't seem to be lucky |
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| 21:06.10 | babilen | !tell Smiley about iceweasel |
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| 21:06.18 | SerajewelKS | !lose babilen |
| 21:06.18 | dpkg | babilen: You Lose. |
| 21:06.29 | akritiko | if you can help by posting me the drill or suggesting an online source I'd be grateful |
| 21:06.30 | babilen | ah |
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| 21:06.53 | babilen | !win SerajewelKS |
| 21:06.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, SerajewelKS! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:06.54 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: i'm probably not going to be able to help you, but at a minimum you're going to have to tell us what FTP daemon (yes, there's more than one) and what you have tried |
| 21:07.32 | SerajewelKS | yay! |
| 21:07.36 | Smiley | hehe too slow :P |
| 21:07.40 | akritiko | I see |
| 21:07.54 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: otherwise everyone will be taking stabs in the dark |
| 21:08.11 | akritiko | yes yes of course |
| 21:08.56 | akritiko | the real problem is I did not set up the server and I'm not a guru using the console' |
| 21:09.14 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: an inherited production box? :) |
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| 21:09.43 | akritiko | SerajewelKS: couldn't define it better |
| 21:09.48 | akritiko | :P |
| 21:10.16 | akritiko | so is there a way to find the deamon via ssh? |
| 21:10.56 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: "ps ax | grep ftp" will show you all running processes with "ftp" in their name/arguments |
| 21:11.00 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: that'd be a good place to start |
| 21:11.10 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: or you could do "ls /etc/init.d/*ftp*" |
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| 21:11.28 | schmukkk | f all packages ever |
| 21:11.38 | schmukkk | supposedly there is a archive of everything that has been in sid |
| 21:11.46 | schmukkk | all things uploaded after a certain point |
| 21:11.48 | schmukkk | where do i get that |
| 21:11.54 | SerajewelKS | !snapshots |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
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| 21:12.56 | babilen | akritiko: http://paste.debian.net/68471/ (that will list all running daemons and the packages from which they were installed - *very* handy) |
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| 21:14.27 | schmukkk | how do i combine the .dsc .tar.gz and diff.gz manually? |
| 21:14.29 | akritiko | SerajewelKS, babilen: Thanks a lot... I'll give it a shot right now |
| 21:14.59 | babilen | akritiko: You are sshing into the server, don't you? |
| 21:15.08 | akritiko | I do |
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| 21:16.20 | babilen | akritiko: "wget http://paste.debian.net/68471/download/68471" |
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| 21:17.21 | SerajewelKS | schmukkk: i think dpkg-src or something... |
| 21:17.33 | schmukkk | found it http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 21:17.52 | SerajewelKS | schmukkk: dpkg-source actually... yeah or that url will probably be better documentation than i :) |
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| 21:19.36 | Smiley | hummmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:19.41 | Smiley | needs to learn about flux:< |
| 21:21.28 | akritiko | babilen: ok... and after the wget? |
| 21:22.08 | babilen | akritiko: "mv 68471 check_daemons.sh" and "./check_daemons.sh" as root |
| 21:23.13 | babilen | akritiko: you might have to make it executable first (chmod a+x check_daemons.sh) or run it like "bash check_daemons.sh" |
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| 21:25.17 | akritiko | babilen: thank a lot, I really appreciate it but it seems that the admin gave me root's credentials in "klingon" therefore I cannot connect as root |
| 21:25.41 | akritiko | will have to try again another time |
| 21:25.47 | babilen | akritiko: try "sudo check_daemons.sh" |
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| 21:27.11 | akritiko | does not work either |
| 21:27.13 | babilen | akritiko: Or "su" with the root pw - it is quite likely that root login per ssh is forbidden |
| 21:27.28 | babilen | akritiko: you give *your users password* to sudo |
| 21:27.29 | akritiko | tried su already |
| 21:27.36 | akritiko | yes yes I know |
| 21:27.41 | babilen | alright :) |
| 21:27.45 | akritiko | but it seems the admin |
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| 21:28.01 | akritiko | doesn't trust me and I'm not in the sudoers group |
| 21:28.03 | akritiko | ¨Π|
| 21:28.05 | akritiko | :P |
| 21:28.17 | akritiko | so I don't have sudo rights |
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| 21:28.23 | judge-- | Hello all. What's the Debians' equivalent of the Windows "hosts" file? |
| 21:28.38 | akritiko | and root creds seems to be invalid |
| 21:28.38 | babilen | akritiko: Oh, you *really* meant cyrillic :) |
| 21:28.46 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: in other words, you can't add users to the ftp daemon because you don't have root, not for any other reason :) |
| 21:28.47 | Arrowmaster | being in sudoers group just means you dont have to use a password to use sudo, you can be added to the sudo config without being in the sudoers group |
| 21:28.50 | babilen | judge--: I love you :) |
| 21:29.05 | SerajewelKS | judge--: /etc/hosts of course |
| 21:29.15 | judge-- | thank you |
| 21:29.17 | babilen | judge--: In other words: /etc/hosts is the inspiration for the Windows hosts file :) |
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| 21:29.27 | judge-- | sure |
| 21:29.28 | judge-- | :) |
| 21:29.28 | babilen | quote of the day! |
| 21:29.46 | judge-- | need to issue some command to reload it? |
| 21:29.55 | babilen | no |
| 21:30.00 | judge-- | ok thank you |
| 21:30.15 | akritiko | SerajewelKS: I don't think that I tried the right way but even if I did, you are right, I couldn't have gone far |
| 21:30.31 | SerajewelKS | akritiko: get root first, then we talk :) |
| 21:30.48 | akritiko | anyways time for flame e-mails tomorrow to clear the whole thing |
| 21:30.53 | akritiko | thanks again guys |
| 21:30.59 | babilen | have a good night |
| 21:31.12 | akritiko | Gnight to you too |
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| 21:35.17 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 21:36.28 | Nebukadneza | i'm just configuring exim for my (dedicated) server with direct internet access ... i set update-exim4.conf.conf to do localdeliver in users home-maildirs, however when i send a mail as root to root@localhost it gets delivered to /var/mail/mail |
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| 21:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | exim's not normally running as root |
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| 21:39.02 | Nebukadneza | CutMeOwnThroat: i know, i didn't say anything about exim running as some user |
| 21:39.21 | Nebukadneza | i talked about sending mail from root@localhost to root@localhost and that mail not getting delivered to /root/Maildir |
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| 21:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | non-root processes can't normally write to home directories |
| 21:40.47 | bkw | I have installed redhat-cluster-suite to use gfs2 cluster fs. But ccsd fails to start with no error message on lenny, are there anything I should try? |
| 21:42.47 | Nebukadneza | CutMeOwnThroat: well, maildir-home delivery is standard... |
| 21:43.26 | Nebukadneza | according to the README.Debian all i have to do to make it work is set that variable |
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| 21:44.25 | Sia-- | can added MAX_USER_CONNECTIONS in /etc/mysql/my.cnf to limit connection |
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| 21:46.16 | Nebukadneza | i just tried su-ing to Debian-exim and writing there ... works like a charm |
| 21:47.14 | babilen | Nebukadneza: How did you configure exim? Did you use "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" ? |
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| 21:47.55 | Nebukadneza | babilen: i tinkered quite some things in exim4.conf.template, the set the variables i wanted in update-exim4.conf.conf and issued update-exim4.conf |
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| 21:51.45 | ViZ | my connection was interrupted while installing gnome.. how can i fix the install? |
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| 21:53.09 | Nebukadneza | babilen: ahhh, the dir was missing u+x Oo i'm an idiot |
| 21:53.18 | qwd | Revelation has missing icons ever since gnome-icons (or whatever it's calleD) was updated. Should I file this bug for Revelation or gnome-icons? |
| 21:53.25 | Nebukadneza | also, CutMeOwnThroat - exim spawns a helper as the user to which its delivering mail to write to that maildir |
| 21:53.30 | qwd | (in sid) |
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| 21:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it works now? |
| 21:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the helper is suid-root? |
| 21:54.14 | babilen | qwd: Hmm, i would file it against gnome-icons |
| 21:54.16 | Nebukadneza | so it works now - thanks :P |
| 21:54.57 | babilen | ViZ: Which connection? Please provide more information |
| 21:55.19 | babilen | Nebukadneza: good :) |
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| 21:55.27 | qwd | babilen: oh really? I was leaning towards revelation |
| 21:55.46 | adb | ViZ, redo , aptitude install gnome |
| 21:55.57 | babilen | qwd: If the icons are part of the gnome-icons package (and should be) it's a bug in gnome-icons ... |
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| 21:56.12 | ViZ | babilen: i'm running debian on vmware and while trying to install gnome, at the end it gave me errors saying it couldn't install several files.. that i should try --fix-missing somehow |
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| 21:56.17 | babilen | adb: He might not want the mega metapackage |
| 21:56.20 | ViZ | :S it took hours |
| 21:56.29 | adb | ViZ, or what was your command .. |
| 21:56.55 | qwd | babilen: maybe the names have changed or some icons were merged and revelation just didn't follow since I haven't noticed anything in any other apps though |
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| 21:57.08 | ViZ | adb: ? |
| 21:57.11 | babilen | ViZ: and what about the interrupted connection? |
| 21:57.46 | ViZ | babilen: i'm assuming it wasn't able to finish the apt-get given my connection |
| 21:57.49 | adb | ViZ, installer will recover last downloaded packages |
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| 21:58.15 | ViZ | adb: so by doing apt-get install gnome it should pick up where it left off? |
| 21:58.24 | adb | yes |
| 21:58.27 | babilen | qwd: Well - I think both packages are valid packages, but it might be a better idea to report it against revelation because that is the program that "suffers" from the bug ... hard to say, pick one and mention the other :) |
| 21:58.31 | ViZ | adb: ok, thanks a lot |
| 21:58.32 | dutchfish | hi, is apache2-suexec-custom package the recommended debian method for setting up a custum root for suexec and a custum user dir? According to the docs it is not form upstream, what does that mean? |
| 21:58.35 | babilen | ViZ: hang on |
| 21:58.36 | ViZ | babilen: you too |
| 21:58.49 | adb | ViZ, but use aptitude instead apt-get |
| 21:58.55 | babilen | ViZ: How did you install gnome? Which packages did you choose? |
| 21:59.01 | ViZ | adb: what's the difference? |
| 21:59.04 | qwd | babilen: i guess they'll just move it if it's in the wrong place :) |
| 21:59.17 | ViZ | babilen: i typed apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:59.23 | babilen | ViZ: You can start where you left off with "aptitude install" .. that will execute all scheduled actions .. |
| 21:59.35 | adb | !tell ViZ -about why aptitude |
| 21:59.53 | ViZ | thanks again |
| 22:00.32 | babilen | ViZ: Ok, then either do: "aptitude install" or "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" and it will install/configure all packages that are not yet installed or configured. If you run into the --fix-missing again - paste it to http://paste.debian.net and let us see it |
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| 22:00.54 | ViZ | ok |
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| 22:02.19 | jhamlin_ | hey folks question about the concept of debian. What kind of bugs get fixed in stable? Like e.g. in lenny kmail doens't remember that it was put in the tray when you start a new session. Apparently this is fixed in kde 4. But will "bugs" like this ever get addressed in stable? |
| 22:02.37 | babilen | no |
| 22:03.14 | babilen | given that it is not possible to backport the fix |
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| 22:05.42 | babilen | is kde 3.5 still supported by upstream? will they fix it? is it possible to fix it in kde 3.5? does the maintainer have enough time to write a fix herself? |
| 22:05.44 | jhamlin_ | ahh got it. Only critical bug fixes in stable |
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| 22:09.30 | abrotman | jhamlin_: RC bugs, and security bugs .. |
| 22:09.39 | abrotman | !tell jhamlin_ about meaning of stable |
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| 22:12.39 | jhamlin_ | coll thanks |
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| 22:12.41 | jhamlin_ | cool |
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| 22:13.44 | pierrep | hi |
| 22:14.23 | guccimane | does anyone have tips or a guide for upgrading from lenny to sid in a xen domU? |
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| 22:16.47 | babilen | guccimane: Why do you want to switch to an unsupported development version of Debian? |
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| 22:17.18 | guccimane | babilen: old packages? |
| 22:17.31 | guccimane | tmux doesnt exist for lenny? |
| 22:17.39 | babilen | ,versions tmux |
| 22:17.42 | judd | tmux -- sid: 1.1-1; squeeze: 1.1-1 |
| 22:17.49 | babilen | !tell guccimane about ssb |
| 22:18.28 | babilen | guccimane: You can backport tmux to lenny - If you don't know how to upgrade to sid it is quite likely that you will not be able to deal with all the problems you *will* run into |
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| 22:19.02 | guccimane | i know how to upgrade to sid, it's just annoying doing it in a domU |
| 22:19.25 | guccimane | grub, udev incompatible with kernel, blah blah |
| 22:19.33 | guccimane | but thank you babilen |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | guccimane: install the new kernel first? |
| 22:20.11 | babilen | guccimane: Do you have problems with the upgrade? |
| 22:20.21 | guccimane | yes |
| 22:20.28 | babilen | guccimane: you should install the kernel first, reboot and upgrade udev afterwards |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | i mean .. you don't hav eto do it that way, but it's 'easier' |
| 22:22.50 | guccimane | im probably a noob, but debian suggests 2.6.32 for paravirt xen dom0 and domU |
| 22:23.24 | guccimane | how do i install 2.6.32 xen without the sid repo? |
| 22:24.05 | guccimane | i've tried upgrading to 2.6.26 xen, the latest version in lenny before upgrading |
| 22:24.13 | guccimane | but udev doesnt like 2.6.26 |
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| 22:31.43 | xyan | guccimane: i guess you will have to grab the patchset and compile 2.6.32 yourself then |
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| 22:31.49 | xyan | the http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki should cover the steps |
| 22:33.02 | guccimane | thanks xyan |
| 22:33.17 | guccimane | runs back to FreeBSD crying |
| 22:33.20 | xyan | this is the pv ops page http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps |
| 22:33.34 | xyan | should be doable ;-) |
| 22:34.05 | guccimane | looks easy enough, thanks again |
| 22:34.18 | xyan | good luck |
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| 22:36.30 | MrCatEye | hello, how can I list and delete older network cards, which are not present in my system anymore? |
| 22:37.03 | srwsr-Sr-- | MrCatEye: ifconfig ? |
| 22:37.59 | MrCatEye | ifconfig does not list them |
| 22:38.18 | MrCatEye | because they are not actual physical in the system |
| 22:38.24 | xyan | how do you want to list something thats not present any more? right |
| 22:38.35 | xyan | udev might have rules for it still though |
| 22:38.57 | xyan | take a look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 22:41.30 | MrCatEye | it is all about virtual box from sun and running a box on another PC,so the system recognizes a new ethernet hardware and that is the problem,at the moment I am at number 5 |
| 22:42.43 | xyan | MrCatEye: virtualbox has a gui to control the settings, dont exactly know whats wrong. did you use the import/export appliance functionality? it should take care about such things |
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| 22:44.26 | MrCatEye | xyan - no I do not use the export/import funktion, but your hint about /etc/udev/... lists all earlier network cards |
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| 22:45.36 | MrCatEye | and they are all from the Vbox, so can I delete the entries |
| 22:45.45 | xyan | guess so |
| 22:45.56 | xyan | if its not possible to remove them in the gui, then do it there |
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| 22:46.00 | dockimble | I have a spanish keyboard and am running debian - how can i get the altgr key to work as a third level key? |
| 22:46.21 | xyan | dockimble: console or x or desktop environment? |
| 22:46.26 | dockimble | both |
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| 22:46.35 | xyan | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:46.59 | xyan | x11 uses hal/udev or something there should be a fdi file udev rule where you can set xkb options |
| 22:47.02 | xyan | dont ask me where |
| 22:47.20 | xyan | gnome/kde have their own control center settings things (dont ask me where im not using it) |
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| 22:47.36 | deufrai | hi there. I have a Lenny remote box on which I have on single HDD. HDD ad free space on wich I just created a new partition using cfdisk. Unfortunately, special file /dev/sda<xx> has not been created. Why so ? |
| 22:47.45 | babilen | actually - just use xorg.conf |
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| 22:48.12 | dockimble | no joy with the dpkg |
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| 22:48.40 | xyan | deufrai: the kernel needs to be informed about partition table changes, you can try "partprobe" to do that |
| 22:48.49 | dockimble | partprobe what |
| 22:48.55 | dockimble | oh |
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| 22:50.12 | deufrai | xyan: partprobe is unknown to my system. and `apt-cache search partprobe` gives me zip |
| 22:50.15 | dockimble | how does one set a key as the third level chooser? |
| 22:50.23 | jelly-home | blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdX |
| 22:50.31 | deufrai | what package is partprobe provided by ? |
| 22:50.46 | xyan | partprobe is in parted afaik, but try what jelly-home suggested |
| 22:51.15 | deufrai | right |
| 22:51.45 | jelly-home | if any partitions are currently in use, kernel won't reread it -- you might have to reboot if you only have one disk |
| 22:52.03 | deufrai | damn |
| 22:52.12 | deufrai | all right then |
| 22:52.21 | jelly-home | next time, use lvm ;-) |
| 22:52.28 | deufrai | gonna do that on next window |
| 22:52.41 | deufrai | jelly-home: sure thing, LVM |
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| 22:52.56 | deufrai | thanx for your time, folks |
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| 22:54.02 | dockimble | how does one designate a key as a third level chooser? |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | you mean meta? |
| 22:55.09 | dockimble | i have a spanish keyboard, and i want the altgr to work so i can wright an at sign |
| 22:55.14 | dockimble | right, rather |
| 22:55.41 | dockimble | so, altgr would work as the third level key |
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| 22:58.36 | dockimble | ok, what would be the term for the right alt key for the xorg.conf file? |
| 22:59.19 | jhamlin_ | is there a command line copy program with a progress bar? |
| 22:59.32 | MrCatEye | good night |
| 22:59.46 | MrCatEye | and thanks xyan - it works |
| 23:00.24 | rgr_ | jhamlin_: yes |
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| 23:00.32 | abrotman | jhamlin_: yes, rsync can do that |
| 23:00.36 | rgr_ | well, % progress |
| 23:00.39 | rgr_ | rsync --stats |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | jhamlin_: also .. uh .. crap .. i can't remember |
| 23:01.13 | abrotman | it's the one to do the pipe 'speed' |
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| 23:03.48 | xyan | abrotman: pv that is i think |
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| 23:03.59 | abrotman | sounds .. right i think |
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| 23:05.13 | dockimble | how do you set the compose key? |
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| 23:06.08 | Tordek | hi, I don't know what the proper channel to ask this is, but I get the "Strigi server failed to initialise" error, and lots of searching has led nowhere. Help, please? |
| 23:06.18 | Tordek | (Strigi + Nepomuk + KDE4) |
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| 23:06.53 | abrotman | Tordek: which OS? |
| 23:06.57 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 23:07.06 | Tordek | abrotman: uh, Debian squeeze |
| 23:07.13 | dockimble | how does one set a key as the compose key? |
| 23:07.19 | johnfg | Is it possible to do an install from the squeeze live cd? |
| 23:07.27 | abrotman | can you make it more verbose ? |
| 23:07.31 | johnfg | I've not got it downloaded/burned, yet. |
| 23:07.39 | johnfg | Downloading it now. |
| 23:08.53 | Tordek | Ok... setting Soprano Backend to virtuoso seems to have fixed it... thanks! |
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| 23:11.12 | dockimble | does anyone know how to get the altgr key to work? |
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| 23:15.19 | majhool | setxkbmap -option lvl3:ralt_switch |
| 23:15.19 | dockimble | anyone? |
| 23:15.34 | dockimble | in xorg.conf? |
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| 23:16.13 | dockimble | i'm sorry, could you repeat the command? |
| 23:16.33 | majhool | setxkbmap -option lvl3:ralt_switch, from the command line |
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| 23:17.08 | dockimble | and then do i need to restart x? |
| 23:17.46 | majhool | no |
| 23:17.46 | dockimble | it didn't worjk |
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| 23:18.24 | Appetite | is there a quick & easy way to make my Case fan operate at a higher speed |
| 23:18.25 | majhool | do you have the right keyboard layout? |
| 23:18.30 | majhool | setxkbmap -print |
| 23:18.33 | dockimble | yes, es |
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| 23:19.02 | majhool | and setxkbmap -print shows that |
| 23:19.40 | dockimble | dockimble@mu-Top:~$ setxkbmap -print |
| 23:19.41 | dockimble | xkb_keymap { |
| 23:19.43 | dockimble | xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"}; |
| 23:19.45 | dockimble | xkb_types { include "complete"}; |
| 23:19.47 | dockimble | xkb_compat { include "complete"}; |
| 23:19.49 | dockimble | xkb_symbols { include "pc+es+compose(ralt)"}; |
| 23:19.51 | dockimble | xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)"}; |
| 23:19.53 | dockimble | yes |
| 23:20.10 | majhool | ok, well ralt is set to be your compose key |
| 23:20.21 | dockimble | it ain't composing |
| 23:20.38 | majhool | so if you press ralt, ~ and n you should get ñ |
| 23:21.02 | dockimble | ñ is already on the keyboard |
| 23:21.10 | dockimble | i need the altgr to type the at sign |
| 23:21.23 | majhool | ok, fine, right alt, ! and h get you ḥ |
| 23:21.39 | majhool | this is different than a level 3 switch |
| 23:21.51 | dockimble | well how do i set it as a level 3 switch |
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| 23:23.56 | dockimble | anyone? |
| 23:24.24 | dockimble | alt gr DOES NOT WORK in debian |
| 23:25.18 | abrotman | it does for lots of people, if you choose the correct keymap for the correct keyboard |
| 23:25.23 | Appetite | is there a quick & easy way to make my Case fan operate at a higher speed |
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| 23:26.10 | SuperMiguel | ok if i type this: sensors -u | grep -w 'temp1_input' | tail -1 i get: temp1_input: 38.00 how can i remove the "temp1_input" for it to only print the 38.00 ?? |
| 23:26.42 | Sm0ke0ut | How can I find out which NIC is e.g. eth0? |
| 23:27.08 | majhool | setxkbmap -option lv3:ralt_switch |
| 23:27.09 | majhool | that's it |
| 23:27.12 | majhool | not lvl3, lv3 |
| 23:27.22 | majhool | you can find this stuff in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules |
| 23:27.22 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: awk or cut |
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| 23:27.43 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, umm let me look into it |
| 23:28.06 | majhool | wow, i guess he wasn't very patient |
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| 23:33.51 | dockimble | how do you get the altgr third level key to work |
| 23:34.26 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, can you give me a hit on what exactly i can type... readed both man pages and cant find solution |
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| 23:34.32 | majhool | setxkbmap -option lv3:ralt_switch |
| 23:34.35 | majhool | lv3 NOT lvl3 |
| 23:34.39 | majhool | which is what i had last time |
| 23:35.01 | majhool | double check by looking through /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base |
| 23:35.15 | dockimble | does not work |
| 23:35.16 | sztomi | Hi, I try to set $JAVA_HOME to "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/" but it ends up being "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre", and I can't use ant to build (I did export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/. Could someone help me? Thank you |
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| 23:36.36 | SuperMiguel | got it |
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| 23:39.49 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: you read the cut man page and can't figure out how to cut off the first 12 characters ? |
| 23:39.57 | majhool | dockimble: if i run setxkbmap -option layout es && setxkbmap -option lvl3:ralt_switch on my computer, i get the spanish keyboard layout with altgr assigned to right alt |
| 23:40.01 | majhool | so i don't know what to say |
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| 23:40.30 | majhool | jesus |
| 23:40.42 | majhool | setxkbmap -option layout es && setxkbmap -option lv3:ralt_switch |
| 23:40.50 | majhool | why did they abbreviate it lv3 instead of lvl3 |
| 23:42.21 | dockimble | the layout is fine but altgr(third level) still does not work |
| 23:43.02 | dockimble | This is absurd |
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| 23:43.06 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, i got t |
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| 23:43.25 | majhool | what do you see if you run: grep level3 /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base |
| 23:43.30 | majhool | don't paste it here, pastebin it |
| 23:43.38 | dockimble | pastebin |
| 23:43.41 | dockimble | ? |
| 23:44.47 | majhool | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.53 | majhool | per the channel topic |
| 23:45.34 | abrotman_ | SuperMiguel: good |
| 23:45.35 | Arrowmaster | have you tried just using 'es' and not setting any of the lv3 stuff? looking at the es keymap i think it uses altgr by default |
| 23:46.09 | dockimble | it doesn't |
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| 23:46.32 | dockimble | that *might* need to be fixed |
| 23:46.39 | dockimble | nevermind, i found a workaround |
| 23:46.40 | majhool | dockimble: do you have the xkb-data package installed? |
| 23:46.57 | dockimble | yes |
| 23:47.00 | majhool | well |
| 23:47.06 | majhool | do you have an xorg.conf? |
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| 23:48.12 | SuperMiguel | abrotman_, thanks :) |
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| 23:50.25 | Arrowmaster | well the gnome keyboard preferences dialog shows the same "ISO_L..." in the altgr spot on the Spanish Spain keyboard as it does for the English USA International (AltGr dead keys) that I use, and that most certainly has a working altgr by default without any other options |
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| 23:51.23 | Arrowmaster | i do remember breaking it when i tried to set ralt to the compose key while being stupid |
| 23:51.28 | majhool | Arrowmaster: i think he's got an idiosyncratic configuration we don't know about |
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| 23:51.43 | majhool | Arrowmaster: for example, setxkbmap -print showed ralt set to compose |
| 23:51.43 | majhool | so |
| 23:52.00 | Arrowmaster | it also showed xfree86 |
| 23:52.04 | ppasteau | hi |
| 23:52.08 | majhool | he could try setxkbmap -option to clear it, i guess, though setxkbmap -layout es would too |
| 23:52.09 | majhool | yeah |
| 23:52.16 | majhool | i think he's got a screwy xorg.conf |
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| 23:52.38 | Arrowmaster | which means im guessing he has an xorg.conf with device stuff in it, now thats all handled automatically and it uses evdev |
| 23:52.43 | ppasteau | no way to get the nm-applet start with gnome even if it is in my gnome session start software list, any idea ? |
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| 23:53.08 | ad13 | does anyone know if there's anything i have to do to make the new fglrx from lucid work on testing? |
| 23:53.52 | Arrowmaster | dont try to mix debian and ubuntu? |
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| 23:54.39 | ad13 | well, there's not much else i can do as the version of fglrx i need is only available to ubuntu, even arch uses the ubuntu package to get it |
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| 23:55.19 | Arrowmaster | then atleast build it from source, dont even attempt installing the binary package |
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| 23:55.38 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 23:55.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:56.19 | ad13 | haha, nice quote |
| 23:56.30 | ad13 | and yeah i was building from source, the only thing is half of fglrx is binary anyway |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 23:56.36 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | hrm .. i forget what it is .. |
| 23:56.52 | abrotman | there's one for shaking the etchasketch too |
| 23:57.16 | ad13 | which is why i can't just use ati's binaries, there's no module for xorg 1.7 |
| 23:57.24 | majhool | ad13: what card do you have |
| 23:57.27 | ad13 | 5850 |
| 23:58.06 | ad13 | which is why i can't use xserver-xorg 6.13 either, you need DRM from 2.6.34 (or something) |