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| 00:02.24 | Sebboh | re: the webmin conversation: add cpanel to the list of crap that you shouldn't bother trying. |
| 00:03.12 | jent | anyone else on squeeze have problems with hardware acceleration since the last update (within the last week), using intel graphics and i think the root of the problem is that /dev/dri/card0 does not exist |
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| 00:03.43 | jent | any help would be appreciated it....this bug seems to be the problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571273 |
| 00:03.57 | jent | he describes it perfectly, but i can't find a solution |
| 00:04.24 | jent | they say known bug and use a newer kernel...but i am already on 2.6.32-trunk....is there anything newer without compiling straight from kernel.org? |
| 00:04.56 | adb | , kernels |
| 00:04.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:05.37 | jent | adb, is -3 newer than trunk? i figured trunk would be the most recent, since, well it is called trunk |
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| 00:05.58 | adb | jent, yes |
| 00:06.19 | jent | adb, okay if i pm you? |
| 00:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is called trunk because it should be locked into such and the key thrown away |
| 00:06.36 | adb | jent, ask here |
| 00:07.15 | jent | any advice on how to install the kernel image using apt? is apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-3 enough? |
| 00:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 00:07.44 | adb | on squeeze ? yes |
| 00:07.59 | rvsjoen | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 00:07.59 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 00:08.00 | aguitel | jent, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-686 |
| 00:08.01 | jent | excellent, thank you everyone for your advice |
| 00:08.07 | adb | but use aptitude |
| 00:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're on lenny you first have to add backports to your sources.list |
| 00:08.49 | jent | ah, thanks for the advice....i started on debian, then left for a long time, and have in the last year returned, so don't always know the new tools |
| 00:09.21 | gapz | hi |
| 00:09.27 | dvs | jent: tough, you left us! ;-) |
| 00:09.32 | jent | haha |
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| 00:10.33 | macrobat | hello, welcome to #debian |
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| 00:15.43 | frankS2 | Hi, is there any way i can show the current IP leases from dhcpd ? |
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| 00:17.27 | gapz | frankS2: /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases (or something like this file) |
| 00:17.52 | gapz | ho, *current* |
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| 00:18.05 | gapz | check the log file ? :) |
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| 00:19.28 | gapz | frankS2: maybe /var/state/dhcp/dhcpd.leases iirc |
| 00:20.32 | frankS2 | thanks gapz |
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| 00:22.27 | LordVorp | so I've installed kde and pptp, and discovered that to use pptp w/ knetworkmanager, I needed to install the gnome network-manager, which was all fine. I configure a pptp vpn connection, it appears in the list for config. |
| 00:22.44 | LordVorp | however, there's no option I can see in knetworkmanager to actually connect, the vpn isn't listed. |
| 00:22.56 | LordVorp | my question is, how can I start a vpn client session from the commandline? |
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| 00:23.46 | gapz | LordVorp: something like vpnc ? |
| 00:24.04 | LordVorp | yeah ok... i'll look for taht |
| 00:24.15 | LordVorp | cuz I'm pretty sure it got installed in my list of support packages. ;) |
| 00:24.28 | LordVorp | or rather: YES. something like that. |
| 00:24.28 | LordVorp | :) |
| 00:24.47 | gapz | I don't know if vpnc support pptp |
| 00:25.39 | LordVorp | ok, back to my question: how can I start a pptp session from the cmdline, or else convince knetworkmanager to offer the (configured) PPTP connection as available? |
| 00:26.23 | eonbluez | y? |
| 00:26.24 | gapz | pptp-linux seems to be a command line, but I never used it |
| 00:26.34 | ngomes | No probe response from AP 00:24:17:6c:a5:0e after 500ms, disconnecting. |
| 00:26.34 | gapz | line +client |
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| 00:26.39 | ngomes | anyone can help me with this |
| 00:27.14 | ngomes | it happens quite randomly |
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| 00:29.27 | macrobat | ngomes: i guess your laptop probes an access point |
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| 00:30.07 | ngomes | so ... ? i get disconnected and i need to shutdown computer in order to boot again |
| 00:30.11 | ngomes | firmware goes wild |
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| 00:31.15 | ngomes | ill try to upgrade kernel |
| 00:31.23 | ngomes | tell ngomes about kernel |
| 00:31.28 | ngomes | !tell ngomes about kernel |
| 00:32.25 | ngomes | how to update to 2.6.33.2 ? |
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| 00:35.38 | ngomes | !tell ngomes about kernel-update |
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| 00:39.16 | ngomes | HEI |
| 00:39.20 | ngomes | HELP PLEASE ? |
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| 00:42.01 | dvs | !tell ngomes -about kp |
| 00:42.39 | ngomes | there isnt some repositories with it ? |
| 00:42.47 | ngomes | so i dont need to compile it |
| 00:43.02 | dvs | !experimental |
| 00:43.03 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 00:44.51 | ngomes | dvs, what line should i have in sources.list to obtain experimental packages ? |
| 00:45.25 | dvs | I've never used experimental |
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| 00:47.04 | macrobat | ngomes: you may have to use pinning and such. maybe a newer kernel isnt the answer |
| 00:47.22 | ngomes | what is pinning |
| 00:47.34 | ngomes | its a bug in kernel |
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| 00:47.44 | macrobat | aha |
| 00:47.48 | ngomes | its not normal to say , cannot boot firmware |
| 00:48.05 | ngomes | and i need to shutdown ( reboot wont work ) in order to make it work again |
| 00:49.29 | macrobat | i guess 2.6.33 will be in unstable soon |
| 00:49.46 | ngomes | i cannot wait no more |
| 00:49.57 | ngomes | been like this for 1 month |
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| 00:51.42 | tensorpudding | ngomes: what's the problem |
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| 00:53.44 | ngomes | tensorpudding, http://pastebin.com/G5dvyJSK |
| 00:54.09 | tensorpudding | what kind of wifi adapter is it |
| 00:54.22 | ngomes | isl3886 |
| 00:54.29 | ngomes | p54pci module |
| 00:54.44 | tensorpudding | is the module inserted and all that good stuff? |
| 00:54.50 | ngomes | yeah , its working |
| 00:54.56 | ngomes | but , fails , randomly |
| 00:55.09 | ngomes | with that message |
| 00:55.19 | ngomes | then , i need to shutdown in order to make it work |
| 00:55.27 | ngomes | reboot wont work either |
| 00:55.43 | tensorpudding | have you checked bugs.debian.org for errors related to the module? |
| 00:55.56 | ngomes | yeah , did not find nothing |
| 00:56.00 | tensorpudding | you might try the kernel's bugtracker too |
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| 00:56.13 | tensorpudding | or whoever is responsible for that module |
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| 00:56.32 | ngomes | i've tryed to subscribe in wifi kernel list , without sucess |
| 00:56.35 | ngomes | not working |
| 00:57.04 | ngomes | ill just try this new kernel |
| 00:57.16 | ngomes | and leave .6.33 behind |
| 00:57.17 | tensorpudding | you're running lenny right? |
| 00:57.20 | ngomes | sid |
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| 00:58.14 | ngomes | ill reboot , brb |
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| 01:04.58 | ngomes | damn |
| 01:05.13 | ngomes | when i browse some site , my internet goes down and firmware goes wild |
| 01:05.18 | ngomes | always same website |
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| 01:05.31 | ngomes | this kernel wont do no good |
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| 01:08.01 | DeathWolf | how can I tell apt to mark some packages as "willingly installed" so they don't appear in autoremove? |
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| 01:08.59 | Tramp | !unmarkauto > DeathWolf |
| 01:09.08 | Tramp | !tell DeathWolf -about unmarkauto |
| 01:09.13 | DeathWolf | thanks |
| 01:09.17 | Tramp | yw |
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| 01:13.08 | tensorpudding | ngomes: your problem might be hardware related, or it might be a problem in prism's non-free firmware, in either case you might not have much recourse |
| 01:13.32 | ngomes | what do u sugest ? replace wifi card ? |
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| 01:18.53 | niriven | Hello, are there any channels for unstable by any chance? :) |
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| 01:23.55 | niriven | nevermind, dpkg answered the question! |
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| 01:35.07 | freaky[t] | hi all. how do i delete all downloaded packages via apt-get? i mean only the downloaded package files, not the installed ones |
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| 01:36.18 | niriven | freaky[t], apt-get clean? |
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| 01:36.43 | freaky[t] | niriven thank you ;D |
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| 01:39.22 | niriven | freaky[t], theres clean and autoclean, autoclean only deletes the files that 'no longer can be donwloaded', clean apparently clears everything |
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| 01:39.56 | freaky[t] | niriven thanks |
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| 01:49.02 | slidesinger | OK, I can tftp to the server from another computer and get the tftp prompt, I can issue the status command and the server replies with connection information showing that I am connected, I can also ping the tftp server from the switch, but if I try to tftp the file to the switch, I get the message TFTP server unreachable. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:52.17 | dasunt | Hey, could someone link to how to build cpan modules under debian? |
| 01:54.07 | wols_ | !tell dasunt about cpan |
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| 01:54.53 | Bop | tensorpudding, sorry , i disconnected |
| 01:54.58 | dasunt | Thanks. |
| 01:55.06 | Bop | what do u sugest ? replace wifi card ? |
| 01:55.09 | dasunt | Couldn't remember the command. |
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| 01:56.07 | Sergio` | !u |
| 01:56.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:57.54 | dupa | Sergio`: hey u |
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| 01:58.06 | dupa | r u there? |
| 01:58.12 | wols_ | dupa: don't |
| 01:58.13 | dupa | !ne1 |
| 01:58.13 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s). |
| 01:58.15 | dupa | !wud |
| 01:58.15 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 01:58.24 | dupa | kk thx thx bye bye |
| 01:58.32 | dupa | haha |
| 01:58.36 | dupa | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 01:58.37 | dupa | :D |
| 01:58.41 | wols_ | dupa: do you have a debian related question? |
| 01:58.47 | dupa | hmm |
| 01:58.48 | dupa | nope |
| 01:58.56 | wols_ | then please be quiet. thank you |
| 01:59.00 | dupa | ok :< |
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| 02:04.18 | gnat_x | anyone have a good tutorial handy for setting up a usb stick installer? all the ones i'm finding look kinda old. |
| 02:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 02:04.29 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the official one |
| 02:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | which I found a bit confusing... wish I'd taken notes to suggest improvement |
| 02:05.02 | gnat_x | cool. thanks. |
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| 02:05.35 | gnat_x | i'm with a few knowledgable folks, we should be able to grok it amongst the 4 of us. |
| 02:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the "simple" method, where you overwrite the whole stick should work... as of the other more complex ones, the one where you boot and the bootloader finds the iso of a cd on the stick worked for me |
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| 02:15.44 | dasunt | ponders. |
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| 02:23.12 | Wyzard | If I have a big file containing a complete image of a hard drive (partition table and everything), what's a good way to get fsck'able device nodes for the partitions within it? |
| 02:23.22 | Wyzard | Is there a tool that can do it automatically, or do I need to manually calculate offsets for losetup? |
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| 02:26.39 | PinkFreud | Wyzard: you'll need to calculate the offsets manually, though that's not quite as difficult as it sounds. |
| 02:27.20 | Wyzard | Yeah, I can do it if I need to; it's just inconvenient |
| 02:28.05 | PinkFreud | alternatively, you could attach the image as a disk in a Xen/kvm/... virtual machine. |
| 02:29.05 | Wyzard | It already is a virtual disk (from VMware) and the VM finds massive filesystem corruption during its boot-up fsck, but when I mount one of the partitions on the host (using vmware-mount) the files look OK |
| 02:29.31 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
| 02:29.32 | Wyzard | ...ah, wait, vmware-mount sets up a loop device when I ask it to mount a partition |
| 02:29.38 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 02:29.47 | Wyzard | I can ask it to mount the partition, then unmount it with regular umount, and the loop device stays behind |
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| 02:31.48 | Wyzard | hmm, host's fsck finds corruption too |
| 02:32.18 | Wyzard | "Illegal block #695 (1953066601) in inode 68967" -- pages and pages and pages of that sort of thing |
| 02:36.02 | Wyzard | but stuff in my home directory seems fine, at least... time to recover and reinstall, I guess |
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| 02:42.05 | Gm4n | what's a good tool for forging TCP packets? (or alternately, allowing me to rewrite them as they go by) |
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| 02:45.50 | Wyzard | hmm... I think I have something like that installed, but I don't actually use it so I don't remember its name |
| 02:45.53 | Wyzard | Let's see if I can find it |
| 02:47.59 | Wyzard | Gm4n: Take a look at the "packeth" package |
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| 02:49.09 | Wyzard | Gm4n: You might find "tcpslice" useful too, though it's not quite what you asked for |
| 02:49.10 | scooopes | Hello. Is there a way to boot with a debian cd/dvd, but then install from a .iso image located on a hdd? |
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| 02:50.17 | Gm4n | thanks, Wyzard =) |
| 02:51.53 | Gm4n | are there any good commandline tools? |
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| 02:52.06 | Gm4n | (along the packeth line, tcpslice won't help me in this particular case) |
| 02:52.50 | Wyzard | Not that I know of |
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| 02:56.54 | mtnman | hello |
| 02:57.03 | iateadonut | if i want security updates and stability, i should run a cron every day (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade;) but make sure my sources.list only has the security option, and only change sorces.list when i want to install something new? |
| 02:57.52 | mtnman | iateadonut: update is ok to run automatically, but i wouldn't recommend upgrading that way. |
| 02:58.09 | iateadonut | i see. |
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| 02:58.17 | iateadonut | will update install the new security fixes, then? |
| 02:58.42 | mtnman | update only updates the database that apt uses. it doesn't install anything. |
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| 03:00.13 | peterrooney | !cron-apt |
| 03:00.13 | dpkg | A highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken packages or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>. |
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| 03:01.02 | peterrooney | personal opinion: never install updates automatically. |
| 03:01.41 | peterrooney | iateadonut: so there's no need to re-invent a wheel here. |
| 03:01.45 | iateadonut | but, once a bug is known, doesn't it make your box vulnerable? |
| 03:02.01 | iateadonut | (right. i don't have to put anything in a cron, you're saying) |
| 03:02.19 | mtnman | your box is always somewhat vulnerable, whether you know it or not. |
| 03:02.20 | peterrooney | iateadonut: the update may break functionality |
| 03:02.52 | iateadonut | right. |
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| 03:03.04 | iateadonut | how often do you update your box? |
| 03:03.08 | peterrooney | iateadonut: also, i've noticed that debian security is . . . rabid. most fixes seem to be for weird corner cases. |
| 03:03.29 | iateadonut | you have a server on your desktop that is just like your server and test fixes on it? |
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| 03:04.40 | peterrooney | iateadonut: i subscribe to debian-security mailing list, and run "aptitude --recon dist-upgrade" if I get an alert about a package I have installed. |
| 03:06.10 | iateadonut | on a new VPS, should the first thing I do be to do apt-get update upgrade, though? |
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| 03:07.13 | peterrooney | iateadonut: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 03:08.21 | iateadonut | on a VPS, i'm using someone else's kernel, though, right? would dist-upgrade kind of mess that up? |
| 03:10.40 | wols_ | iateadonut: you cannot change your kernel on a VPS, so it won't mess it up |
| 03:13.29 | Wyzard | Depends on what type of VPS it is |
| 03:13.38 | Wyzard | If it's Xen-based, you have control of the kernel |
| 03:13.52 | Wyzard | vserver/openvz, you don't |
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| 03:16.57 | iateadonut | it's zen-based, but i don't see a kernel in boot or a grub config, so i assume it'd be a real complex process to install your own. |
| 03:17.05 | iateadonut | anyone know a good linux program for process flows? |
| 03:17.28 | iateadonut | i want to use it for business processes, but one for programming would probably work quite well. |
| 03:19.27 | iateadonut | (someone in #linux just suggested dia) |
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| 03:26.25 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:27.01 | johnfg | Well, major failure in trying to upgrade from lenny > squeeze. Blame me mostly, but partly, it was because dpkg was on a holiday. |
| 03:27.52 | johnfg | So, I downloaded the torrent for testing, debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent, and the bittorrent gives the error: |
| 03:28.05 | albech_ | can i make dnsmasq look up internal machines? i wish to add a name to some development servers on the lan side |
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| 03:28.29 | wols_ | albech_: yes. add it to /etc/hosts on the box dnsmasq runs on |
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| 03:30.01 | johnfg | "debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso":Aborting the torrent as it was rejected by the tracker while not connected to any peers. Message from the tracker: Requested download is not authroized for use with this tracker. |
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| 03:30.05 | albech_ | wols_, dnsmasq is still trying to forward the request to the upstream servers after i add it to the /etc/hosts and restart the service |
| 03:30.36 | wols_ | what is in your nsswitch.conf? |
| 03:31.09 | albech_ | wols_, files before dns |
| 03:31.13 | johnfg | Any idea why I'm getting this error message? |
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| 03:32.44 | worr | are users encouraged to to use invoke-rc.d to start init scripts? I was looking at the manpage for it, and I remember that it used to discourage end-user usage of invoke-rc.d, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. |
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| 03:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | users can't start many services |
| 03:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they're normally run at boot-time (so they can't run a 2nd version and they don't have the right to stop it either) |
| 03:47.57 | gnat_x | CutMeOwnThroat: the simple usb installer thing worked. thanks for the tip! |
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| 03:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from the manpage, there's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.invoke-rc.d.gz |
| 03:49.24 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: by users, I meant admins |
| 03:49.44 | worr | but I remember it being discouraged in both, but I couldn't find any such discouragement |
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| 03:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | which points you to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76868 |
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| 03:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, I never used it, only /etc/init.d/something |
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| 03:51.40 | HTT-Bird | ok, I went spacey and haven't safe-upgraded my Debian Squeeze box in a while |
| 03:52.01 | HTT-Bird | when I try to safe-upgrade, I get a message complaining about a package conflict between cvs and cvsnt |
| 03:52.07 | HTT-Bird | I do not have the latter installed though! |
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| 03:53.07 | HTT-Bird | if I try to full-upgrade, the solution aptitude spits out tries to get rid of xulrunner |
| 03:54.03 | HTT-Bird | ok, nvm |
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| 03:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions cvsnt |
| 03:55.05 | judd | cvsnt -- etch: 2.5.03.2382-3; lenny: 2.5.03.2382-3.3; sid: 2.5.04.3236-1.2; squeeze: 2.5.04.3236-1.2 |
| 03:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions cvs |
| 03:55.11 | judd | cvs -- etch: 1:1.12.13-8; lenny: 1:1.12.13-12; sid: 1:1.12.13-12; squeeze: 1:1.12.13-12 |
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| 03:58.02 | HTT-Bird | well, I figured out what was going on with full-upgrade :) |
| 03:58.11 | iuri | hi there, what would be command on bash to see info of a directory such as we have on df- h to partitions |
| 03:58.26 | HTT-Bird | iuri, man du maybe? |
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| 03:58.48 | HTT-Bird | now, to hope that DKMS DTRTs on wl.o |
| 03:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | du -hs dir/ |
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| 04:01.33 | rainy-day | Is there a window manager that works like vi, e.g. you hit esc and it goes into command mode and you can do stuff with one-key commands? (not alt-hjkl bindings like ratpoison, etc have) |
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| 04:05.02 | near | hiiiii peopleeee |
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| 04:06.51 | near | anyone uses xen?? |
| 04:07.41 | tensorpudding | judd, version auctex |
| 04:07.42 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 04:07.56 | tensorpudding | judd, versions auctex |
| 04:07.58 | judd | auctex -- etch: 11.83-6; lenny: 11.83-7.3; lenny-backports: 11.85-1~bpo50+1; sid: 11.85-1; squeeze: 11.85-1 |
| 04:08.38 | near | anyone |
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| 04:10.49 | ZitZ | hi fellas, if i'm using a public proxy to connect to the internet located in another country for instance, can squid be used to increase my security further or to increase my speed? |
| 04:12.00 | near | dont know |
| 04:12.03 | near | http://www.squid-cache.org/ |
| 04:12.06 | near | maybe they know |
| 04:12.21 | DPic | keep the pressure on for free codecs in youtube? |
| 04:12.27 | DPic | http://www.reddit.com/tb/bq3d8 |
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| 04:26.30 | docgnome | i've got an intel 3945 wireless card which i'm having the devil of a time getting to work. |
| 04:26.47 | docgnome | i can see the card in iwconfig but i can't see any networks |
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| 04:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill switch? |
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| 04:28.41 | docgnome | not the problem heh |
| 04:28.47 | docgnome | i thought of that one :-p |
| 04:29.00 | Failrar | firmware installed? |
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| 04:30.02 | docgnome | i installed firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 04:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you look for networks? |
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| 04:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "iwscan list" as root? |
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| 04:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was it iwlist scan? |
| 04:30.46 | docgnome | ... doh |
| 04:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, the latter :) |
| 04:30.55 | docgnome | didn't do it as root |
| 04:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | normal users get the list but I think can't get the card to do a new scan |
| 04:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so they get the last available data |
| 04:31.36 | docgnome | odd |
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| 04:32.35 | docgnome | hrm. now the question becomes why doesn't wicd find it |
| 04:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea what wicd is |
| 04:33.12 | docgnome | oh. network config tool like networkmanager |
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| 04:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | just edit interfaces? |
| 04:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !interfaces |
| 04:33.44 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 04:34.21 | docgnome | sort of a pain for use with wireless |
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| 04:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 04:35.03 | docgnome | if you say so heh |
| 04:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, depends, guess the open-looking networks that have web-authentication are a pain |
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| 04:35.52 | docgnome | ah ha. wicd didn't have a wireless interface set |
| 04:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that a rule that connects you to the strongest open AP and runs dhcp pretty much suffices |
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| 04:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from perhaps 2 entries for home/work |
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| 04:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell! |
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| 04:39.41 | thomax | hello, i like to know when the multimedia people adopt rosegarden 10.02.1 |
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| 04:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions rosegarden |
| 04:40.29 | judd | rosegarden -- etch: 1:1.4.0-1; lenny: 1:1.7.0-1; sid: 1:1.7.3-1.1; squeeze: 1:1.7.3-1.1 |
| 04:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like after squeeze |
| 04:41.59 | thomax | judd: yes, i use 1:1.7.3-1.1 but this is very old. the recent version isn't kde anymore and it's 10.02 |
| 04:42.44 | thomax | or CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so to guess wildly ~8 months |
| 04:43.26 | thomax | wow.. |
| 04:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course I don't *know* |
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| 04:43.58 | thomax | CutMeOwnThroat: you are from the multimedia qa? |
| 04:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it's not in unstable now... |
| 04:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just guessing from what you see |
| 04:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can do the same guess |
| 04:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze |
| 04:44.52 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 04:45.04 | thomax | well, my guess is: 3 weeks before |
| 04:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | the freeze for the next release was actually planned to happen last December |
| 04:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | as the new version is not in unstable yet, I would think they don't want to go to the new version before the freeze (whenever it will finally happen) to not get new bugs in |
| 04:46.12 | thomax | but i'm on unstable. such a freeze on unstable is silly |
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| 04:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, say the freeze happens in 1-2 months, and it usually takes 6 month for the freeze |
| 04:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... |
| 04:46.54 | thomax | some packages i pick even from expermental |
| 04:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | unstable is affected by the freeze because it is the regular way for packages to get into testing |
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| 04:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, now that's the real question - why isn't it even in experimental |
| 04:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can check the bts for that |
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| 04:47.33 | thomax | in fact, there is since ages no difference between testing and unstable anymore |
| 04:48.27 | Nuxro | hi, i need to move a hdd which has debian etch installed on a different machine. what is the equivalent of /etc/modprobe.conf in etch? i need to specify modules for hdd and network |
| 04:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | here, that's your bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573802 |
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| 04:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no answer, though |
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| 04:49.18 | thomax | yepp, i know that, but there is no response on it from the maintainers (posting is a month old) |
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| 04:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
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| 04:50.02 | kdas | Hello all. I read that to get my usb tv tuner card to work (myGica u6012a) i need to use this au0802 module http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/teledongle/ however it is 16months old and arch wont compile it and it throws many different errors. The problem is I cant see my device in /dev/dvb or /dev/v4l-dvb. Any help would be great. |
| 04:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nuxro, actually, did you already try to move it? |
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| 04:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomax, well, dunno, that means they're busy and don't care much? |
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| 04:51.54 | Nuxro | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, drops me to a basic shell, unable to find /dev/sda4 (doh) |
| 04:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nuxro, couldn't just the device name have changed? |
| 04:52.27 | thomax | but rosegarden is _the_ midi sequencer for linux. a very important piece of software. |
| 04:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh ,missed the bus |
| 04:53.01 | thomax | ouch |
| 04:53.01 | Nuxro | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont think so, should still be sda ( a centos livecd sees the drive as sda) |
| 04:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomax, dunno, you'd need to ask them... you can always add to the bug report... and you can also package it yourself |
| 04:54.28 | thomax | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, i hope i will catch one of the maintainers on here (#debian) |
| 04:54.32 | Nuxro | so, the question is, how do i tell etch to use module X for network and Z for hdd? |
| 04:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably not even very hard, there's ubuntu packages, probably compiles after adjusting package names in dependencies |
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| 04:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, etch, you strain my memory |
| 04:55.25 | thomax | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, there are 3rd party repositories for it. but i don't like to mess up to much |
| 04:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you could use the ubuntu source packages and make debian packages from them |
| 04:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nuxro, harddisk would be really early - that is handled in initrd |
| 04:56.11 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: can you help me with eclipse and xampp |
| 04:56.38 | thomax | CutMeOwnThroat: but then.. why not switch to a source based distro anyway, like gentoo or arch? |
| 04:56.40 | Nuxro | yeah, i imagine i will need to update initramfs |
| 04:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomax, if you care to compile "ls" on a regular basis, sure |
| 04:57.07 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: i installed eclipse latest version with PDT plugin, and i want to know how to enable debug mode and run mode |
| 04:57.09 | tensorpudding | Because it's not worth switching for one single package. |
| 04:57.45 | tsccof | so true |
| 04:57.54 | thomax | tensorpudding: hmm.. but it sums up. |
| 04:57.56 | tsccof | but compiling some things manually is no problem as well |
| 04:58.12 | tsccof | I compile about 98% of the software I run, you get used to it |
| 04:58.13 | tensorpudding | How many packages do you honestly need to keep manual tabs on? |
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| 04:59.25 | thomax | tsccof: i decided to switch to debian before 10 years or longer because they have a binary package management. |
| 05:00.22 | tensorpudding | This is a package that is already being managed, it's just a little bit out of date. |
| 05:00.33 | tsccof | thomax: I find Debian an amazing distribution, but I am a Slackware lover. I like doing things myself, but Debian's package management system is just great |
| 05:01.04 | thomax | tsccof: slackware 0.8 or so, thats where i come from |
| 05:02.32 | thomax | well, i'm just here to ask if there is one of the multimedia maintainers is in.. nothing more. |
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| 05:04.05 | tsccof | thomax: ah! I am actually considering switching my main desktop production computer to debian |
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| 05:05.23 | thomax | tsccof: i found debian was a good distro for a long time. i actually think to switch to arch |
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| 05:06.00 | dkr | tsccof: you can always compile packages with your own options in debian, :) |
| 05:06.06 | tsccof | thomax: I found arch buggy, but that was only my CD.. I installed many corrupted packages, unfortunately |
| 05:06.09 | tensorpudding | I switched from Debian to Arch back to Debian. |
| 05:06.48 | tsccof | I liked what I saw from Arch, but I do not think it fits my needs any better than old Slackware does |
| 05:07.22 | thomax | well, i really use debian since ages. i think since 2.0 |
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| 05:07.40 | mvk | dpkg, .dmrc |
| 05:07.40 | dpkg | mvk: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:07.47 | mvk | dpkg, STFU |
| 05:07.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
| 05:07.56 | mvk | thats right |
| 05:07.57 | tensorpudding | dpkg is a wise guy |
| 05:07.57 | dpkg | tensorpudding: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:08.17 | mvk | ok guys, i keep getting ['.dmrc is being ignored check filepermissions bladiebladiebla' |
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| 05:08.32 | tensorpudding | (also if you're going to query the bot it's helpful to /msg) |
| 05:08.33 | mvk | the message says, it should be owned by me with chmod 644 |
| 05:08.50 | mvk | and it is, but it keeps comming back |
| 05:09.02 | mvk | when i start up gnome |
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| 05:12.43 | mvk | what can i do about this? |
| 05:14.49 | tensorpudding | is that at ~/.dmrc |
| 05:14.54 | mvk | yes it is |
| 05:14.54 | wols_ | what are the permissions of your ~? |
| 05:15.25 | thomax | bb |
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| 05:15.33 | mvk | -rw-r--r-- 1 mvk mvk 25 2010-04-13 09:05 .dmrc |
| 05:15.55 | wols_ | that is not ~ |
| 05:16.08 | mvk | im already in my homedir bro |
| 05:16.10 | mvk | ;) |
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| 05:16.21 | dkay | hello peoples! how to update clamav to the latest version! my sources.list includes the volatile.debian and security.debian but it does not update to the new version |
| 05:16.28 | wols_ | for you, slowly again so you can understand: what are the permissions of your ~ `? |
| 05:16.40 | wols_ | ,versions clamav |
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| 05:16.42 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-1 |
| 05:16.57 | wols_ | dkay: what new versions is this supposed to be? |
| 05:17.01 | mvk | wols_, sorry just woke up |
| 05:17.08 | dkay | ye, the newest is 0.96 but i get only 0.95 from sources |
| 05:17.17 | tsccof | is there an EnvyNG package for Debian? |
| 05:17.23 | wols_ | cause 0.96 is the only one available in lenny |
| 05:17.30 | mvk | drwxrwxrw- 37 mvk mvk 4.0K 2010-04-13 09:06 mvk |
| 05:17.34 | wols_ | !tell tsccof about search |
| 05:17.41 | wols_ | mvk: that's the problem. set it to 700 |
| 05:18.18 | wols_ | 0.85 is the only avalable one rather |
| 05:18.25 | dkay | wols_ no cant be true |
| 05:18.27 | dkay | http://dpaste.com/183123/ |
| 05:18.44 | dkay | and i use lenny |
| 05:18.45 | mvk | wols_, it was 755 |
| 05:18.47 | mvk | brb |
| 05:19.10 | tsccof | wols_: do you even know if I am running Debian? |
| 05:19.48 | wols_ | tsccof: if you don't, you should stop asking questions here. have a nice day |
| 05:20.00 | tsccof | no, maybe I am considering moving to Debian? |
| 05:20.07 | tensorpudding | Have you tried searching the Debian packages database? |
| 05:20.21 | tsccof | no, to be honest |
| 05:20.34 | wols_ | tsccof: you do have a webbrowser right? learn to actually read and understand what dpkg told you |
| 05:20.45 | tensorpudding | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 05:21.47 | tsccof | wols_: yes, I do have a web browser, and I can read, apparently you can't be friendly and simply answer a bloody question, can you? |
| 05:22.06 | tsccof | such as "I do not know, maybe apt-cache can tell you" |
| 05:22.12 | tsccof | but hey, let us all be fucking stupid |
| 05:22.16 | tensorpudding | (please keep it civil) |
| 05:22.24 | tsccof | thanks you very much, mr. literature |
| 05:22.29 | tsccof | thank* |
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| 05:23.32 | dkay | rtfm :P |
| 05:23.40 | dkay | haha, no ^^ jokingly |
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| 05:24.06 | dkay | you get what u pay for :P |
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| 05:24.43 | dkay | please could someone tell me why i can update my clamav? |
| 05:24.43 | dkay | http://dpaste.com/183124/ |
| 05:24.47 | dkay | :( |
| 05:24.51 | dkay | confused :/ |
| 05:24.53 | wols_ | cause there is no new version for it in lenny |
| 05:25.04 | wols_ | dkay: /msg judd versions clamav |
| 05:25.13 | dkay | can'T* |
| 05:25.19 | tensorpudding | Don't you have to pin packages to use volatile? |
| 05:25.32 | dkay | i have volatile |
| 05:25.45 | wols_ | ,versions clamav |
| 05:25.45 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-1 |
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| 05:26.12 | dkay | ohwhaa! i c i c |
| 05:26.14 | CompWizrd | that's pretty much normal to have it say that.. the signatures always want the latest and greatest bleeding edge releases or it complains. |
| 05:26.21 | dkay | latest lenny is 0.95.3 |
| 05:26.42 | CompWizrd | .94 loses support very soon though |
| 05:26.53 | tensorpudding | Having the latest virus definitions is important though. |
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| 05:28.24 | dkay | ye, okay well done! |
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| 05:57.52 | Meway | how do i get the ip of my machine? |
| 05:58.01 | Meway | ifconfig does not work |
| 05:58.17 | Meway | but there may be a diffrent command? |
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| 06:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 06:00.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 06:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !what is my ip |
| 06:01.24 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
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| 06:02.59 | Meway | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | only root has /sbin in his path |
| 06:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 06:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | see above |
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| 06:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | the factoid assumes your ethernet device to be eth0, though |
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| 06:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually the awk line doesn't work... complains about the backslash, I think someone tried to add this to the factoid and tried to escape the " for dpkg |
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| 06:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, what is my ip =~ s/sub\/sub(/ |
| 06:12.30 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't contain 'sub\' |
| 06:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, what is my ip =~ s/sub\\/sub(/ |
| 06:12.38 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'sub\\', CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 06:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, what is my ip =~ s/sub./sub(/ |
| 06:13.20 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't contain 'sub.' |
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| 06:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, why's there one sed, one awk and one perl version |
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| 06:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hostname -i returns localhost for me |
| 06:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ip as <device> returns an error |
| 06:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
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| 06:21.38 | surfdue | anyone do server management here |
| 06:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !what is my ip |
| 06:22.49 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub(("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)<.+/$1/;' |
| 06:22.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | whut |
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| 06:23.55 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, hey |
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| 06:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | incredible.. now I removed the ((, now it again doesn't show the () at all |
| 06:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | surfdue, hey |
| 06:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !what is my ip |
| 06:25.05 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
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| 06:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least its the same as in /msg... had some doubts there |
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| 06:38.24 | freetime | hi , i have the next problem , can anybody help me to fix it , i have downloaded nmon binary file for ubuntu x86 , and when i do ldd nmon , i get that the library libncurses.so.5 not found , after that i install apt-get install libncurses5-dev , the same ldd give me that libncurses.so.5, it is a way to fix this ? |
| 06:38.51 | tensorpudding | Ubuntu help goes in #ubuntu. |
| 06:39.11 | freetime | but i run this on debian lenny |
| 06:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's a BAD IDEA(TM) |
| 06:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nmon |
| 06:39.47 | judd | nmon -- squeeze: 13d+debian-1; sid: 13g+debian-1 |
| 06:39.50 | freetime | but , where to find nmon for debian |
| 06:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | in squeeze? |
| 06:40.03 | zcat[1] | obvious answer, find a package of same built for debian.. or build from source yourself, it usually isn't that hard |
| 06:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 06:40.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:40.40 | tensorpudding | So what is the problem, then, if libncurses.so.5 is now available. |
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| 06:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | freetime, get the source package from testing and roll your own package as described in the factoid |
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| 06:42.02 | freetime | ok |
| 06:42.10 | freetime | thanks |
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| 06:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (actually can also exactly follow the factoid, the package in sid and in testing is the same one) |
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| 07:10.03 | g00se | thinks it odd that aptitude autoclean 'removes packages that can no longer be downloaded' you'd think it might be the opposite ... |
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| 07:33.35 | jelly-hme | g00se: it's a cache of the repos configured. Packages disappear from repos, they disappear from the local cache. |
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| 07:34.59 | jelly-hme | if one wants old, buggy versions of packages, |
| 07:35.01 | jelly-hme | !snapshots |
| 07:35.02 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 07:38.09 | Merwin | Bonjour ;) |
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| 07:40.48 | bambou | alors il y a kelkun |
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| 07:52.42 | manicman | hi |
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| 07:52.55 | manicman | is there any eiffel compiler in squeeze? |
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| 07:57.42 | manic | sry, got disconnected... |
| 07:57.53 | manic | so... any eiffel compiler in squeeze? |
| 07:58.29 | elnur | How to know which Debian version is installed? |
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| 07:59.45 | d3x | elnur, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:00.30 | elnur | d3x, thank you |
| 08:01.24 | jelly-hme | !version |
| 08:01.24 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 08:01.34 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.33.2h3f ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
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| 08:02.06 | jelly-hme | ham5: please make your irc client stop answering to !version in this channel |
| 08:02.15 | ham5 | OK DONE |
| 08:02.17 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.33.2h3f ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
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| 08:03.00 | jelly-hme | *cough* |
| 08:03.05 | ham5 | ;) |
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| 08:05.39 | jelly-hme | !qotd0 |
| 08:05.39 | dpkg | <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 08:06.16 | elnur | debhelper, do you limit users? |
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| 08:08.09 | jelly-hme | debhelper is a bot, elnur |
| 08:08.11 | petemc_ | A |
| 08:09.15 | eni23 | hello everyone. got a problem with a mdam raid5 with 3disk and 1 spare. it seems to crashed, and now there is only on 1 disk a valid superblock. on the other 3 seems to be no correct filesystem. is it possible to rebuild the filesystems on the other 3? |
| 08:09.15 | jelly-hme | elnur: you'll notice it wakes up regularly every 20 minutes |
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| 08:11.37 | eni23 | here is my fdisk-output: http://pastebin.com/UCqM8gXK |
| 08:12.01 | eni23 | but only sda1 seems to be correct. |
| 08:12.31 | ChaozZBubi | http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/google-to-open-source-vp8-for-html5-video/ |
| 08:12.32 | ChaozZBubi | hmhm |
| 08:13.41 | elnur | jelly-hme, ah. just saw him setting the channel limit and thought why would he limit users of this channel, since more is better :) |
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| 08:15.46 | rvalles | CharminTheMoose: let's wait for an actual announcement from google, shall we? |
| 08:16.07 | rvalles | until then, it's pure speculation and rumors |
| 08:17.27 | CharminTheMoose | rvalles, uh what? |
| 08:19.54 | ham5 | CharminTheMoose think he ment ChaozZBubi |
| 08:20.11 | CharminTheMoose | Heh, it's ok. :-) |
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| 08:21.31 | ChaozZBubi | rvalles, yeah i think so too |
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| 08:27.38 | BW^- | do i have any chance to get this app running on my Debian Lenny machine? it outputs: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by ./wkhtmltopdf-i386) |
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| 08:29.00 | imganquan | hi all. I use write() method write sth. to /dev/ttyUSB0, and use read() method read /dev/ttyS0 on my arm board, but the read() is always blocked , can not get any data? any suggestion? |
| 08:29.20 | BW^- | imganquan: sounds like a #linux question ? |
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| 08:30.00 | imganquan | BW^-: sorry. I had asked the question in #linux, but no response, so I asked here again. |
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| 08:30.43 | BW^- | imganquan: aha ok. also perhaps check #linux on efnet, there at least used to be a lot of hackers there. |
| 08:30.52 | BW^- | google also |
| 08:30.58 | phppear | hi i want to install pear packages but i have some errors |
| 08:31.11 | phppear | i see that i have pear in /usr/share/pear and /usr/share/php |
| 08:31.15 | imganquan | BW^-: thanks. |
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| 08:31.27 | BW^- | anyone on GLIBC version support on lenny? |
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| 08:33.03 | Matic`M | Hey there. I don't manage to save grub's menu.lit in a proper form. When update-grub is executed, instead of xen4 kernel, xen4-pre6 is default and non has dom0_mem option added. How should I change things so my options will stay the way they should? |
| 08:33.50 | harpal | BW^-: you are upgrading to lenny? |
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| 08:34.36 | SPF | Matic`M: use # kopt |
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| 08:34.42 | SPF | for example: # kopt=root=/dev/sda1 vga=791 reboot=b ro |
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| 08:34.51 | SPF | and read the comments in menu.lst |
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| 08:35.29 | BW^- | harpal: no, i'm on a lenny machine, and downloaded an important binary file |
| 08:35.59 | BW^- | harpal: tried to execute but failed. how fix? |
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| 08:36.06 | SPF | Matic`M: there's an option for xen: # xenkopt= |
| 08:36.25 | Matic`M | SPF: thank you very much. I'm looking into kopt right now |
| 08:36.33 | harpal | BW^-: what error says? |
| 08:36.44 | phppear | anyone knows if i install php pear, it is installed in /usr/share/php and /usr/share/pear why? i try pear install something but tries to execute pear from /usr/share/pear and i need to use /usr/share/php |
| 08:36.44 | BW^- | harpal: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by ./wkhtmltopdf-i386) |
| 08:36.53 | SPF | Matic`M: and do NOT remove the # |
| 08:36.55 | wols_ | !pear |
| 08:36.56 | dpkg | i guess pear is a flesh emitome of fruit. Otherwise known as the PHP classes. http://pear.php.net |
| 08:37.06 | Matic`M | SPF: yeah, I read that :) |
| 08:38.13 | BW^- | harpal: any idea? |
| 08:38.29 | Matic`M | SPF: can you maybe suggest how to set grub so the grub-update doesn't switch default boot kernels? |
| 08:38.45 | rvalles | CharminTheMoose: sorry about that earlier |
| 08:38.46 | Matic`M | grub-set-default didn't quite do the job...unless I did something wrong |
| 08:38.47 | wols_ | Matic`M: see the "default" keyword in menu.lst |
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| 08:39.19 | rvalles | ChaozZBubi: tried to map that news to google itself or a reliable source without luck earlier |
| 08:39.29 | rvalles | ChaozZBubi: that's why I said that, btw. |
| 08:39.34 | rvalles | goes take a nap |
| 08:39.35 | ChaozZBubi | :) |
| 08:39.39 | wols_ | Matic`M: there is "savedefault" as a keyword for grub |
| 08:39.48 | Matic`M | wols_: I did default 1 instead of default 0 but it stayed the same. Nonetheless, I'll try moer |
| 08:39.58 | Matic`M | Oh...savedefault.... |
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| 08:42.30 | wols_ | BW^-: recompile the source? |
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| 08:42.52 | BW^- | wols_: it involves recompiling QT. i just did this over here and the app SIGSEGV:s. |
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| 08:43.03 | BW^- | just wanted to check if there's any quicker path, then debugging the app. |
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| 08:44.03 | wols_ | recompile the app |
| 08:44.12 | harpal | BW^-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=808045 |
| 08:44.17 | wols_ | and no, this won't involve recompiling its dependencies |
| 08:44.27 | harpal | BW^-: check this link, and try out that solution |
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| 08:45.05 | themill | wols_: in this case ISTR it does as this thing uses an internal, modified version of Qt. |
| 08:45.14 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians. |
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| 08:57.52 | Matic`M | wols_: and SPF - if I may bother any of you. xenkopt seems to be ignoring my dom0_mem directive which I have set like that: # xenkopt=console=tty0 kernel=/boot/xen-4.0.0.gz dom0_mem=512M . Could you maybe point out why, pretty please? |
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| 09:04.52 | nsadmin | BW^- what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 09:06.05 | BW^- | nsadmin: i'm trying to run a binary compiled on another linux machine, on my debian lenny machine. i think i got it solved by another binary the author provided now though :D |
| 09:07.16 | nsadmin | what does this binary do? |
| 09:07.27 | BW^- | convert html documents to pdf |
| 09:07.38 | BW^- | it has a patched QT statically linked to it |
| 09:07.40 | nsadmin | is there not a package in debian that does that? |
| 09:07.51 | BW^- | not as good as wkhtmltopdf, no |
| 09:08.09 | nsadmin | define "as good as" |
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| 09:08.29 | nsadmin | as it applies specifically to what you're trying to do now |
| 09:08.31 | BW^- | i don't think it uses webkit for html rendering, but some very limited rendering engine |
| 09:08.38 | BW^- | what app are you talking about? |
| 09:08.46 | BW^- | anyhow it is starting to work over here right now |
| 09:09.52 | nsadmin | when you say "what app are you talking about?" I stop believing you really looked into what's available in debian |
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| 09:11.02 | BW^- | i googled extensively for open-source html to pdf applicationsbefore |
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| 09:11.23 | BW^- | i admit i did not search through the packet tree extensively for this |
| 09:11.42 | nsadmin | oh, ok... and of those you found, what were packaged in debian? |
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| 09:12.06 | BW^- | i don't remember right now. all of the applications i found were trash though, with the exception of wkhtmltopdf |
| 09:12.13 | BW^- | i think there's a html to pdf via latex bundled with debian |
| 09:12.18 | nsadmin | I mean, I guess you could try to build one by combining gecko with a pdf generator |
| 09:12.21 | Jaboto | hi, good mornight. I'd like to ask a question. After a while using my system my mouse gets laggy. nothing seems to be consuming a lot of cpu so i'm wondering why this could happen. any tip? |
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| 09:13.18 | nsadmin | if it's open source (you did find this while searching for open source things right?) why not try building it? |
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| 09:14.32 | nsadmin | Jaboto mouse is physically clean? |
| 09:14.43 | BW^- | nsadmin: hm.. it is a good idea.. |
| 09:14.51 | BW^- | i think automatizing it is a little challenge though |
| 09:15.24 | nsadmin | the build should already be automated... imagine having to compile each .c file separately... |
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| 09:15.57 | simonrvn | holy fuck no |
| 09:15.58 | Jaboto | nsadmin, yes, totatlly, both the usb mouse and the embedded mouse are ok |
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| 09:16.47 | nsadmin | anyway. one thing I'm leading toward is that once you can build it against only packages available in debian, you could package it or have it packaged |
| 09:17.01 | simonrvn | one, maybe a handful, but not more than that, plus linking... that's what makefiles are for ;) |
| 09:17.23 | nsadmin | simonrvn, that would be the point of having him imagine it :) |
| 09:17.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:18.05 | nsadmin | the thing he has could be hundreds of .cs, some intermediate libs and link steps per subdir etc etc |
| 09:18.33 | BW^- | sadmin: i meant, automatizing html loading & pdf generation |
| 09:18.33 | simonrvn | yeh. ugh. |
| 09:18.50 | BW^- | anyhow, i have a working solution here - i need to doublecheck that page breaks are perfect and that's it |
| 09:18.52 | simonrvn | BW^-: again. makefile. |
| 09:18.54 | BW^- | thank you a lot for your idea |
| 09:19.12 | MrWax | Does anyone know how I Can fast make sendmail work so I can use the mail() function in PHP ? |
| 09:19.16 | nsadmin | oh, right, if you were to create your own html->pdf app |
| 09:19.38 | nsadmin | sendmail? fast? |
| 09:19.43 | nsadmin | heh :) |
| 09:19.45 | MrWax | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:19.46 | Merwin | Hello. I've got a problem I don't know how to solve: I'm creating an application to handle/manage crypted partitions (with luks). I want to start a program when an usb key (crypted with luks) is plugged. My program must be started instead of the default program (KDe/gnome, etc have their auto-mount system, I don't want to use them, but mine instead, only for luks partitions) |
| 09:19.52 | Merwin | I don't know how I can do that, an idea? |
| 09:19.59 | MrWax | nsadmin: its possible to set this up wquick so I can use mail() in php |
| 09:20.10 | azeem_ | MrWax: why do you need sendmail for this? |
| 09:20.29 | nsadmin | probably any MTA will do |
| 09:20.53 | MrWax | which can i use best then? |
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| 09:21.03 | nsadmin | why php has to depend on one particular one that's socially deprecated so deeply is beyond me |
| 09:21.03 | MrWax | just to have mail() of php quickly working? |
| 09:21.13 | MrWax | nsadmin: ok so what do you suggest? |
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| 09:21.31 | nsadmin | find out what php will accept in the way of an MTA |
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| 09:22.03 | wols_ | MrWax: have your mta work properly and mail() will work on its own |
| 09:22.18 | wols_ | sendmail accepts everything. either sendmail or port 25 |
| 09:22.23 | Jaboto | okei, i found the problem: something is eating my ram (around 1,7 gbs out of 2) but ps shows non process is taking more that 2%... |
| 09:22.29 | wols_ | php accepts everything |
| 09:22.30 | nsadmin | if php is in any way well designed it should work with many different situations |
| 09:22.42 | wols_ | Jaboto: you found out how? |
| 09:22.57 | wols_ | nsadmin: it's php! (but mail() generally works) |
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| 09:23.57 | Jaboto | wols_ , free -m -> 1986 1869 |
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| 09:24.49 | wols_ | Jaboto: those are two meaningless numbers. if one doesn't know where they show up, they're nonsense data |
| 09:25.04 | MrWax | wols_: i have this server local on a virtual machine |
| 09:25.17 | MrWax | wols_: i install postfix now, what type do I have to choose to use when being a local mailserver? |
| 09:25.21 | wols_ | MrWax: and that has zero relevance to your problem |
| 09:25.52 | MrWax | wols_: how do you mean? |
| 09:26.04 | Jaboto | wols_ i'm sure that an hour ago ram consumption was normal, barelly reach 1gb, now it's almost 2 and increasing |
| 09:26.37 | wols_ | Jaboto: you don't want us to give full data, fine. do what you want but don't execpt help from us. have a nice day |
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| 09:27.10 | wols_ | MrWax: when postfix is installed and you tried mail() again, check your mail.log |
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| 09:27.26 | elnur | Can I mount a partition with devkit-disks for a particular user? Now it is mounted for root. |
| 09:27.42 | Jaboto | ey wols_ didn't want to sound mean...root@Mirage:/home/kets# free -m |
| 09:27.42 | Jaboto | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.42 | Jaboto | Mem: 1986 1854 132 0 502 1004 |
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| 09:28.18 | wols_ | ah. so you have 1500+ MB free but you think memory is full. nice |
| 09:28.25 | wols_ | !tell Jaboto about free ram |
| 09:28.49 | MrWax | wols_: where can i find mail.log? |
| 09:28.57 | MrWax | wols_: and how do I know for sure if PHP connects with postfix? |
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| 09:29.01 | wols_ | MrWax: in your log directory, together will all the other logs |
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| 09:29.21 | wols_ | postfix will tell if you there is a connection or a connection attempt. that's why it has logs! |
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| 09:33.30 | Jaboto | okei, so i was wrong about the ram ussage, sorry about that. So, anyone might have a tip about why my mouse gets laggy after some time of use? |
| 09:33.40 | MrWax | wols_: i try to make postfix work for php, any idea how i can best debug this? |
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| 09:35.02 | wols_ | Jaboto: what are CPU usages in top? the system and io and such? |
| 09:35.13 | wols_ | MrWax: have you checked the logs? |
| 09:36.13 | Jaboto | wols_: nothing seems to be high: |
| 09:36.15 | Jaboto | Tasks: 147 total, 1 running, 145 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie |
| 09:36.16 | Jaboto | Cpu(s): 5.7%us, 5.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.8%id, 0.0%wa, 6.1%hi, 0.4%si, 0.0%st |
| 09:36.18 | MrWax | wols_: yes, but i find a lot related to sendmail |
| 09:37.22 | wols_ | Jaboto: that should probably be 99% idle. what is using CPU at all? |
| 09:37.41 | wols_ | MrWax: what do you find about sendmail in your mail.log? |
| 09:39.22 | Jaboto | wols_ the hightest consumer is xorg (which variates from 4 ~ 20) |
| 09:39.49 | wols_ | my guess this is your mouse-lagger |
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| 09:41.25 | Jaboto | uhmmm, even if i move the mouse a lot which seems to be very laggy xorg process doens't responde to that with a higher consumption of cpu |
| 09:41.43 | wols_ | and? |
| 09:41.52 | wols_ | how about restarting X? |
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| 09:42.25 | Jaboto | already tried and doesn't seems to work |
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| 09:43.25 | d3x | Jaboto, did you try cleaning your mouse? :) |
| 09:43.55 | wols_ | d3x: are we back and in the ball and tail era? |
| 09:44.09 | d3x | wols_, shhh |
| 09:44.24 | Jaboto | d3x yep, it's optical mouse and it's not a hardware issue 'cause my embedded mouse also seems laggy |
| 09:44.45 | d3x | wols_, you see? he didn't catch the irony :) |
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| 09:45.34 | Jaboto | well, i guess is hard to read irony without seen your real smile :) the one you worte above could be, like pity smile, irony smile... |
| 09:46.52 | Jaboto | also i've tried to reoad both mouse drivers: psmouse and usbhid without any result |
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| 09:58.04 | sly007 | Hello, how do I downgrade my PHP 5.3 automatically upgraded via safe-upgrade to PHP 5.2 ? |
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| 10:02.18 | joeyjones | sly007: i hope english is not your first language... |
| 10:02.44 | sly007 | joeyjones: it's incorrect? |
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| 10:03.02 | Vroomfondle | it's fine |
| 10:03.31 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 10:03.31 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 10:03.41 | wols_ | sly007: why do you want to downgrade? |
| 10:03.42 | joeyjones | next time try "My PHP automatically upgraded to 5.3 via safe-upgrade. How do I downgrade to 5.2?" |
| 10:03.42 | Vroomfondle | sly007: http://serverfault.com/questions/95601/downgrade-php-5-3-to-5-2-on-lenny looks useful for you |
| 10:03.52 | azeem_ | joeyjones: no need to correct people here |
| 10:04.09 | azeem_ | unless it is unclear what their problem is |
| 10:04.10 | sly007 | joeyjones:Is this better? Hello, how do I downgrade my automatically-upgraded-via-"safe-upgrade" PHP 5.3 to PHP 5.2? |
| 10:04.16 | joeyjones | sly007: when it takes me a while to figure it out i do |
| 10:04.17 | Vroomfondle | joeyjones: don't be pedantic. The sentence scanned fine. I understood it first time. |
| 10:04.33 | joeyjones | oops |
| 10:04.39 | joeyjones | to azeem_ |
| 10:04.44 | joeyjones | sly007: much better :p |
| 10:04.46 | azeem_ | joeyjones: then stop from now on |
| 10:04.48 | wols_ | sly007: if you downgrade, you get all the juicy security holes older php versions have... guaranteeing your server to get owned |
| 10:05.14 | wols_ | and the php apps depending on the old php are probably similar insecure |
| 10:05.24 | joeyjones | wols_: it won't get owned, it'll be pwned :p |
| 10:05.28 | joeyjones | yeah |
| 10:05.36 | wols_ | *plonk* |
| 10:05.38 | joeyjones | there's little reason to downgrade |
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| 10:05.55 | joeyjones | you'd be better off fixing any broken php code |
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| 10:07.13 | sauvin | has heard a rumour that all php code is inherently broken because it's *written* in php |
| 10:07.42 | Vmanz | nice |
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| 10:07.57 | wols_ | php itself is worse: it's written in C!!11one! |
| 10:08.12 | d3x | joeyjones, especially if you have 400k LOC+ application |
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| 10:09.16 | joeyjones | d3x: if it won't woek in 5.3 it won;t work in any future versions, so it'll either be doomed to be discarded or be fixed at some point anyway |
| 10:09.19 | joeyjones | *work |
| 10:09.20 | _Dave123_ | is there a way to scan an internal network, i.e. 192.168.1.0/24 - without the possibility that its detectable you scanned it? |
| 10:09.23 | _Dave123_ | with nmap |
| 10:09.26 | nkuttler | sly007: fwiw, there should be a version in the archives somewhere that you can install |
| 10:09.30 | nsadmin | writes all his web app code in tcl and pg sql |
| 10:09.44 | joeyjones | nsadmin: ph ftw! |
| 10:09.44 | wols_ | sly007: lenny itself has 6.2 |
| 10:09.46 | joeyjones | *pg |
| 10:09.49 | d3x | joeyjones, but you can't just fix it when your php gets randomly upgraded... |
| 10:09.52 | joeyjones | damn, new keyboard is annoying |
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| 10:10.05 | d3x | you'll need a little more than 5 minutes for this task probably |
| 10:10.07 | wols_ | so the question is, why is he running 5.3 in the first place :) |
| 10:10.31 | wols_ | _Dave123_: #h4x0rs is over there -> |
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| 10:10.50 | d3x | wols_, i don't know, but "automatically upgraded via safe-upgrade" might be a hint ;) |
| 10:10.53 | joeyjones | d3x: that's also why no sane person upgrades a production server w/o checking beforehand |
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| 10:11.41 | d3x | joeyjones, apparently some people are insane ;) |
| 10:11.50 | joeyjones | i know :p |
| 10:11.56 | azeem_ | please stop the finger-pointing |
| 10:12.00 | wols_ | and in #d, they're the one who run testing or unstable |
| 10:12.08 | joeyjones | a buddy of mine over the weekend upgraded a server from freebsd 6 to 8 |
| 10:12.14 | azeem_ | joeyjones: please keep it on topic |
| 10:12.27 | azeem_ | if you want to chat, do it in #debian-offtopic |
| 10:12.30 | joeyjones | and broke almost every dependancy and library |
| 10:13.21 | bkjoe | alrighty then |
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| 10:20.01 | dmilith | hi |
| 10:20.20 | dmilith | anybody have a clue what error code 2 from "tar" means? |
| 10:20.23 | dmilith | I have lenny |
| 10:20.27 | nsadmin | mantar |
| 10:20.33 | dmilith | nothing |
| 10:20.41 | dmilith | google? nothing interesting |
| 10:20.49 | dmilith | that's why I'm here |
| 10:20.58 | azeem_ | maybe try the info manual |
| 10:21.03 | jelly | dmilith: anything on stderr ? |
| 10:21.03 | nsadmin | show complete command line and exact text of msg |
| 10:21.08 | dmilith | 2010-04-13 # 12:09:55 # INFO: given file: /home/backupd/BackupD/backup_live/fs/_git_ |
| 10:21.13 | dmilith | that's everything i've got |
| 10:21.25 | azeem_ | otherwise, read the source |
| 10:21.28 | jelly | that doesn't look like output of tar, dmilith |
| 10:21.31 | dmilith | TAR_OPTS = "-c -Z -p -P" |
| 10:21.34 | nsadmin | show complete command line and exact text of msg |
| 10:21.53 | dmilith | that's all |
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| 10:22.08 | nsadmin | show complete command line |
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| 10:22.19 | dmilith | and one more line (in Polish that process has ended cause of previous errors) |
| 10:22.19 | dmilith | ok |
| 10:22.30 | mquin | -Z means use 'compress' - do you have that installed? |
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| 10:23.15 | mquin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.32 | jelly | "2" |
| 10:23.32 | azeem_ | also "child returned" |
| 10:23.37 | mquin | oops, that should have said '2 is ' |
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| 10:23.41 | dmilith | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.56 | azeem_ | 12:22 < mquin> -Z means use 'compress' - do you have that installed? |
| 10:24.07 | dmilith | which compress |
| 10:24.13 | dmilith | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.28 | dmilith | I really know how to use it |
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| 10:24.38 | azeem_ | then maybe strace it |
| 10:24.42 | nsadmin | I can't help feeling not all info you have has been presented |
| 10:24.43 | azeem_ | strace -f probably |
| 10:24.58 | dmilith | but it's not 100% reproductible |
| 10:25.10 | dmilith | it happens only sometimes |
| 10:25.16 | nsadmin | find out why |
| 10:25.49 | d3x | 12:23 < mquin> is the unix error number for 'no such file or directory', which would suggest it's trying to call compress and not finding it |
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| 10:26.04 | d3x | more like compress can't write to specified directory, because it does not exist |
| 10:26.09 | nsadmin | if compress is present, then something else is missing (also, why are you using compress instead of say bzip2 or gzip |
| 10:26.14 | nsadmin | ) |
| 10:26.35 | nsadmin | d3x: that sounds more reasonable |
| 10:27.06 | nsadmin | dmilith: show the REAL ACTUAL command line (not some substitution) |
| 10:27.26 | d3x | set -x might help |
| 10:27.42 | d3x | (finding errors, not solving them ;P) |
| 10:28.13 | nsadmin | we;re even before that point, trying to find the problem |
| 10:28.15 | dmilith | it's ran from script |
| 10:28.20 | themill | the use of -P with ./ is cute. |
| 10:28.20 | dmilith | but i'll try |
| 10:28.47 | d3x | dmilith, dodaj "set -x" gdzieÅ na poczÄ
tku pliku |
| 10:28.56 | d3x | (sorry guys for polish, but it's easier this way :P) |
| 10:29.00 | nsadmin | what can he do to the script to get it to show the command lines |
| 10:29.04 | azeem_ | d3x: no, it's not |
| 10:29.04 | nsadmin | set -x? |
| 10:29.42 | dmilith | d3x: :D |
| 10:29.49 | azeem_ | dmilith: so in the script, make sure the directory you pass to tar with -f exists before you run tar |
| 10:30.06 | dmilith | absolutely sure |
| 10:30.26 | d3x | and the files you want to tar _do_ exist? |
| 10:30.27 | nsadmin | I doubt that right now: |
| 10:30.54 | nsadmin | because right now you're not even sure what the command line from the script is going to be |
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| 10:31.38 | d3x | also - the directory might exist, but you have no permission to write to it |
| 10:31.41 | Mowee | Hi |
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| 10:31.57 | nsadmin | there are three places where a fnf error could happen: the program run as child doesn't exist, the path to the tar file doesn't exist, the dir passed to tar doesn't exist |
| 10:32.09 | nsadmin | d3x: that would be a different error message |
| 10:32.28 | nsadmin | we ruled out the first of the three |
| 10:32.34 | azeem_ | the error message is "2" |
| 10:33.05 | d3x | ok, true, sorry for messing up |
| 10:33.09 | nvz | isn't there something in gnome that shows all the System > Preferences menu in a windows-style control panel? |
| 10:33.10 | nsadmin | maybe tar returns an exit status |
| 10:33.24 | d3x | nsadmin, no, not tar |
| 10:33.25 | simonrvn | nvz: gnome-control-center |
| 10:33.31 | d3x | it clearly states 'child process' |
| 10:33.44 | nvz | simonrvn: thats what I was thinking, maybe its not installed by default?! |
| 10:33.46 | nsadmin | that would be indep |
| 10:34.08 | azeem_ | nvz: what do you mean, by default? |
| 10:34.12 | simonrvn | should be if you have the meta-package |
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| 10:34.46 | nsadmin | it doesn't preclude tar returning an exit status... the only question is, is said status additionally helpful in determining the problem |
| 10:34.46 | nvz | azeem_: I have a default desktop install on these machines.. |
| 10:34.51 | d3x | dmilith, give us the exact command line, otherwise it's hard to tell what might have happened... |
| 10:35.16 | azeem_ | it's a Recommends of gnome-system-tools, which is a Depends of gnome-desktop-environment |
| 10:35.23 | azeem_ | nvz: did you install from CD? |
| 10:35.59 | nvz | azeem_: na, installed on the netbook from a USB thumbdrive and installed this from a TFTP boot from the netbook.. |
| 10:36.02 | nvz | both netinstalls |
| 10:36.36 | azeem_ | stable or testing? |
| 10:36.40 | nvz | stable |
| 10:36.46 | azeem_ | weird |
| 10:36.55 | azeem_ | and you chose the desktop task? |
| 10:36.58 | nvz | it might be on here. I haven't looked yet |
| 10:37.03 | nvz | just looked in the menu |
| 10:37.05 | azeem_ | on here? |
| 10:37.09 | azeem_ | what? |
| 10:37.15 | azeem_ | it's a command |
| 10:37.23 | dmilith | d3x: I'm trying to figure it out myself. Now I'm checking priviledges for files |
| 10:37.29 | nvz | busy doing something at the moment.. namely uninstalling stuff on windows |
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| 10:37.55 | nvz | yeah well the nature of it being a graphical application would suggest it should be in the menu |
| 10:37.59 | azeem_ | then come back when you have verified it is not installed |
| 10:38.53 | nvz | I would have verified that 5 minutes ago if I weren't answering you while doing stuff on the other screen.. heh |
| 10:39.10 | nvz | all I asked is what it was called, so I could look. I don't need any further help than that |
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| 10:39.29 | azeem_ | you also complained that it wasn't installed by default |
| 10:39.36 | azeem_ | so I assumed you had actually checked |
| 10:39.58 | nvz | well I suspected I would find it in the menu if it were installed |
| 10:40.04 | simonrvn | !smart answers |
| 10:40.07 | azeem_ | man |
| 10:40.23 | nvz | I did find it in my terminal |
| 10:40.30 | simonrvn | nvz: it's called gnome<Tab> :P |
| 10:40.33 | azeem_ | so case closed |
| 10:40.53 | nvz | yeah pretty much. but there has to be some graphical way of accessing it |
| 10:40.59 | nvz | or whats the point of having it? |
| 10:41.11 | azeem_ | so people like you can run it |
| 10:41.15 | nvz | hah |
| 10:41.18 | simonrvn | not shown in the menu by default anymore |
| 10:41.26 | azeem_ | the default way to access the preferences is via the preferences menu |
| 10:41.33 | nvz | I just wanted to take some seemless mode screenshots with Debian/WinXP |
| 10:41.33 | azeem_ | gnome-control-center shell is alternative |
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| 10:41.47 | azeem_ | it doesn't make sense to have two GUI paths to the same thing exposed by default |
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| 10:42.04 | blondino4ka | ðåáÿò |
| 10:42.10 | nvz | yeah I thought it would be in the prefs menu, but its not |
| 10:42.17 | icebrain | !ru |
| 10:42.18 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:42.19 | nvz | gonna check alacate |
| 10:42.23 | nvz | alacarte even |
| 10:44.40 | Riviera | ".. or use English here." might not be bad. |
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| 10:45.24 | simonrvn | !ru is also or use English here. |
| 10:45.24 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 10:45.32 | simonrvn | !ru |
| 10:45.32 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 10:45.54 | Riviera | cool |
| 10:46.04 | today | i want to install Debian for my PC. Give me some advise should i choice to install from DVD or DC? thanks for help |
| 10:46.08 | simonrvn | if i knew it in russian i'd do it in russian :) |
| 10:46.20 | OpenTokix | today: I say cd netinstall |
| 10:46.26 | nsadmin | you;ll want to translate that phrase to russion as well |
| 10:46.42 | today | unfortunaly, my speed internet is very low, |
| 10:46.42 | simonrvn | cd is the usual way unless you want an armada-load of packages |
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| 10:47.06 | simonrvn | then get a full cd and not the netinst |
| 10:47.11 | today | what do DVD Debian include man? |
| 10:47.20 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 10:47.20 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 10:47.24 | nsadmin | dvds do include man |
| 10:47.39 | simonrvn | man woman |
| 10:47.44 | simonrvn | man bash |
| 10:47.48 | simonrvn | man sh |
| 10:48.10 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 10:48.43 | nsadmin | so be a manch about it (or if you are many, use the plural form mench) |
| 10:48.44 | today | plz i really dont understand what difference between DVD and CD debian |
| 10:49.00 | azeem_ | today: more packages on DVD |
| 10:49.30 | today | right, and we can install some app from DVD ( like as other source at Ubuntu ) |
| 10:49.31 | nsadmin | today: what (right now) do you want to use debian for? |
| 10:49.32 | today | ? |
| 10:49.41 | wols_ | today: but the same packages. You need 21 CDs or 4 DVDs to fit all of debian on them |
| 10:49.48 | nsadmin | not from ubuntu |
| 10:49.56 | wols_ | today: yes, you can install from DVD, from CD or via internet |
| 10:50.01 | nsadmin | but similar in concept |
| 10:50.19 | today | i just use for office app and nothing advance app |
| 10:50.37 | qwd | today: if you have a fast connection, go for the netinstall cd. then you don't get a bunch of packages you'll never install anyway. |
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| 10:50.45 | nsadmin | what would you like to have for office? |
| 10:50.49 | azeem_ | 12:46 < today> unfortunaly, my speed internet is very low, |
| 10:50.52 | qwd | today: oh, just saw that it wasn't fast |
| 10:51.09 | nsadmin | how fast is it exactly? |
| 10:51.09 | today | i use Karmic and i have error some times |
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| 10:51.22 | today | then i think about Debian |
| 10:51.33 | nsadmin | why do you want to move? |
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| 10:52.11 | nsadmin | just like with everything else you want to use care |
| 10:52.11 | sdousley|work | Can anyone point me in the direction of making a deb file to install 2.6.31+ kernel on a freshly installed machine please. |
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| 10:52.30 | E-bola | I have an install issue on a small mini computer |
| 10:52.44 | E-bola | i cant figure out if grub think my hdd is called hda or sda? How can i tell? |
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| 10:52.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.00 | azeem_ | E-bola: grub doesn't care AFAIK |
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| 10:53.10 | today | i download 1st DVD, then how can i install any app from that dvd ? ^^ |
| 10:53.20 | azeem_ | today: as usual |
| 10:53.24 | E-bola | azeem_: well the kernel then, referring to the parameter root=..... |
| 10:53.31 | themill | sdousley|work: perhaps a pre-compiled 2.6.32 kernel from backports.org is what you are looking for? |
| 10:53.34 | E-bola | in grub-s conf |
| 10:53.37 | azeem_ | today: if you don't know how to install apps, read the manuals |
| 10:55.06 | today | well done, i only know to install app inside Ubuntu, no experience for Debian, can you help me |
| 10:56.28 | sdousley|work | themill: I'm trying to avoid backports if possible. |
| 10:56.33 | nsadmin | today still, I am curious... how fast exactly is your connection speed? what has you looking at debian? do you have any part of debian installed now? |
| 10:56.46 | themill | sdousley|work: why? |
| 10:56.52 | sdousley|work | themill: I've done this in the past by making a .deb file that installed a later kernel version somehow, but I really cant find the links I used |
| 10:57.07 | sdousley|work | themill: it's a production server, and I've had problems getting the kernel sources when I use a backported disk |
| 10:57.22 | nsadmin | any kernel you build custom wouldn't be supported |
| 10:57.44 | today | nsadmin: i just download the first DVD Debian |
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| 10:57.59 | nsadmin | today: what has you looking at debian? |
| 10:58.01 | themill | sdousley|work: "/msg dpkg kernel package" but I don't know that a self-compiled kernel is really an advantage of the bpo one for this |
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| 10:58.22 | Joelio | Hi, just installed mysql-server on debian lenny, fresh install (although via FAI) but mysql is failing to bind to the loopbacl? Any ideas? |
| 10:58.40 | today | i really dont understand whay you say? |
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| 10:58.49 | nsadmin | sdousley|work why are you trying to upgrade your kernel? |
| 10:59.13 | nsadmin | today: why might you want to change from ubuntu to debian? |
| 10:59.15 | today | just for simple app: like as office, connect interntet,... |
| 10:59.21 | sdousley|work | nsadmin: We're starting to use i3/i5 hardware here now, and the network driver isn't supported in the e1000e module until 2.6.31+ |
| 10:59.37 | today | because i usually see crash at Ubuntu |
| 11:00.03 | nsadmin | today: do you have a separate machine you can try debian on? |
| 11:00.13 | E-bola | What does grub error 15 mean? |
| 11:00.20 | E-bola | That it cant find the kernel, or some other grub file? |
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| 11:00.28 | nsadmin | that;s in info grub |
| 11:00.38 | today | no nsadmin, only one Laptop |
| 11:00.50 | E-bola | nsadmin: which i cant run cuz i cant boot... |
| 11:00.58 | nsadmin | today: how fast is your connection speed exactly? |
| 11:01.29 | today | ADSL 3MB down 512KS up ( i think so ) |
| 11:01.32 | E-bola | and no its not in info grub, as i can tell from checking it in another system |
| 11:01.55 | nsadmin | today: sheesh :P that's fast |
| 11:02.05 | simonrvn | dude, that's not slow |
| 11:02.10 | nsadmin | it's definitely faster than I have atm |
| 11:02.29 | nsadmin | if you already have the dvd, go for that tho |
| 11:02.40 | simonrvn | that's ~200 KB/s down |
| 11:02.52 | nsadmin | but you have no shortage of bandwidth |
| 11:03.04 | nsadmin | you made it sound like you use a modem :P |
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| 11:03.26 | simonrvn | a 56 k modem |
| 11:03.35 | nsadmin | or slower |
| 11:03.43 | simonrvn | 1200 baud ;p |
| 11:03.48 | Breaking_Pitt | how can i avoid this I'm creating a first package of a tool and lintian always show me a warning |
| 11:03.49 | Breaking_Pitt | new-package-should-close-itp-bug |
| 11:03.54 | Breaking_Pitt | some advice please |
| 11:03.57 | today | so that, Do you want to give a advise for me ? |
| 11:04.01 | today | nsadmin: |
| 11:04.16 | simonrvn | closes a bug filed as an Intent To Package |
| 11:04.23 | nsadmin | not sure yet. |
| 11:04.52 | simonrvn | i.e. 'closes: #somebugnumber' somewhere in the changelog entry |
| 11:05.12 | nsadmin | today: one piece of advice: back up your important data |
| 11:05.20 | Breaking_Pitt | ok simonrvn thanks |
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| 11:05.27 | nsadmin | and do that whether you install debian or not |
| 11:05.29 | today | then ?? |
| 11:05.35 | nvz | hah, I never backup.. but I never have anything thats really that important |
| 11:05.46 | nvz | and I've never lost anything I couldn't recover |
| 11:06.05 | nsadmin | for business use, you actually need a backup plan and schedule |
| 11:06.07 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: is this package destined for Debian or just an internal project for yourself? |
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| 11:06.27 | today | uhm, so what different between Debian 5.02 and Debian 5.04 ? nsadmin |
| 11:06.46 | Breaking_Pitt | themill, for Debian |
| 11:06.57 | nsadmin | haven't read the release notes, so I don't know (you can read them) |
| 11:07.38 | nvz | today: yeah 5.0.2 is out of date.. just realized thats whats on my netbook. |
| 11:07.44 | simonrvn | Breaking_Pitt: #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 11:07.48 | today | allright nsadmin |
| 11:07.55 | today | thanks nvz |
| 11:07.57 | Breaking_Pitt | ok i'll ask there |
| 11:07.57 | nvz | today: run your update manager or aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 11:07.58 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: then you have hopefully already filed an "ITP" bug (/msg dpkg itp) to make sure that your work is not duplicated. This is the bug that you should close in the changelog. You might like to "/msg dpkg nmg" and "/msg dpkg mentods" too. |
| 11:08.07 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: err... /msg dpkg mentors |
| 11:08.13 | today | then upgrade to 5.04? nvz |
| 11:08.23 | simonrvn | mentods? :) |
| 11:08.27 | nsadmin | I want a mentod! |
| 11:08.33 | nvz | today: once you install all the updates it should say 5.0.4 |
| 11:08.41 | nsadmin | cmon gimme gimme gimme! |
| 11:08.42 | simonrvn | is that an extra special mentos? |
| 11:09.32 | simonrvn | one of these days i should read that policy, heh |
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| 11:09.40 | nvz | I'm growing tempted to try installing facebooks proprietary photo uploader plugin.. but I fear they will make me regret it |
| 11:09.41 | Breaking_Pitt | debian-mentors? |
| 11:09.45 | today | does Debian install app like Ubuntu ( some all as Ubunt software resource or synnaptic .... ) nvz, nsadmin |
| 11:10.10 | simonrvn | today: synaptic has its origins in debian ... |
| 11:10.28 | nsadmin | usually people use aptitude |
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| 11:10.37 | doomcup | Hi |
| 11:10.57 | nvz | today: yeah, ubuntu was created from a debian system, so they got it from debian. so naturally we have it in our repos |
| 11:11.01 | doomcup | I'm about to install squeeze on my desktop |
| 11:11.05 | simonrvn | aptitude doesn't do weird things to the system |
| 11:11.11 | today | app for Debian with .rpm or .deb |
| 11:11.12 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 11:11.15 | nvz | doomcup: come here for us to tell you not to? |
| 11:11.25 | doomcup | So before I do, I thought I'd ask about whether I'd be able to get OSS4 working |
| 11:11.30 | today | because i allwasy install .deb at Ubuntu |
| 11:11.41 | nvz | doomcup: OSS4 referring to..? |
| 11:11.52 | doomcup | Open Sound System version 4 |
| 11:12.03 | simonrvn | today: maybe you should familiarize yourself with the origins of ubuntu? ;) |
| 11:12.09 | nvz | that would be my first guess on "OSS" just thought you were crazy |
| 11:12.23 | doomcup | Because I've had no luck with Ubuntu |
| 11:12.29 | simonrvn | it's a new oss |
| 11:12.29 | nvz | doomcup: why do you need OSS4? |
| 11:12.41 | nvz | simonrvn: they refused to die? |
| 11:12.42 | doomcup | Because I prefer it over ALSA/Pulseaudio |
| 11:12.58 | doomcup | The programs I use get along with it more easily |
| 11:13.02 | doomcup | With fewer hacks |
| 11:13.06 | d3x | nvz, oss4 is quite usable i think |
| 11:13.07 | today | i use Ubuntu for 2 month ago simonrvn, and i want to change to Debian now |
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| 11:13.24 | nvz | doomcup: seems to me like thats entirely kernel related and would work on ANY distro including Debian stable |
| 11:13.30 | nvz | all you need is a newer kernel |
| 11:13.31 | nsadmin | then back up your important data |
| 11:13.34 | nsadmin | and install |
| 11:13.36 | doomcup | I've been unable to get OSS4 working in Ubuntu 10.04, which is why I'm asking first |
| 11:13.40 | today | where is "synaptic" at Debian (its stupid question) |
| 11:13.42 | doomcup | I want to know if I'm wasting my time |
| 11:13.59 | d3x | doomcup, which app refused to work with alsa/pulseaudio? |
| 11:14.00 | nsadmin | its on your dvd |
| 11:14.12 | nsadmin | almost certainly |
| 11:14.17 | doomcup | Pretty much any app that depends on /dev/dsp |
| 11:14.18 | nvz | doomcup: Ubuntu is likely more up to date, and if you can't get it working, its likely a failure on your part and you won't get it working anywhere |
| 11:14.34 | nvz | doomcup: ALSA has OSS emulation and works with all OSS apps |
| 11:14.39 | nvz | as does PulseAudio |
| 11:14.40 | wols_ | doomcup: streuner_ recently installed OSS4. dunno on which debian (at least lenny tho) to get his soundcard working |
| 11:14.55 | doomcup | nvz: Thank you for that lovely bit of support |
| 11:15.04 | doomcup | You Don't Need That (tm) |
| 11:15.11 | nsadmin | today: are you willing to read the debian install guide and release notes for debian 5? |
| 11:15.16 | d3x | doomcup, hmm.. well... you don't ;) |
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| 11:15.19 | doomcup | Please leave all religious stuff at the door |
| 11:15.25 | wols_ | doomcup: he is right.it'S very unlikely that OSS4 or ubuntu was at fault. you were either not knowledgeable enough or not determined enough most likely |
| 11:15.38 | doomcup | I doubt it |
| 11:15.50 | wols_ | you are free to do so |
| 11:15.58 | doomcup | I tried just about everything, double and triple checked every step |
| 11:16.04 | telmich | into which field do I insert extraeversions, if I want to name my packeage "unscd-0.45_lenny_amd64" instead of "unscd-0.45_amd64"? |
| 11:16.07 | nvz | doomcup: its not religous, its a FACT and you're obvioulsy not able to do what you want, so in supporting you, I'm trying to change your ignorant/i'll informed point of view |
| 11:16.11 | doomcup | I was able to get OSS4 working just fine in arch previously |
| 11:16.15 | today | i really dont know about that doccument, give me that link plzzz nsadmin |
| 11:16.17 | doomcup | And that wasn't difficult |
| 11:16.29 | nsadmin | www.debian.org |
| 11:16.32 | doomcup | Of course, in Arch ALSA/Pulseaudio wasn't installed in the first place |
| 11:16.50 | wols_ | doomcup: considering arch and ubuntu are both linux, built from the same open sourcecode, the rest is selfevident |
| 11:16.56 | rumpsy | To read full docs of debian, it will take half of my life |
| 11:17.02 | nsadmin | oss sound driver was kicked out of the kernel, wasn't it? |
| 11:17.09 | doomcup | -_- |
| 11:17.10 | wols_ | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:17.10 | simonrvn | rumpsy: oh please |
| 11:17.27 | themill | doomcup: oss4 packages exist for squeeze. They either work or they have bugs filed against them in the BTS. The next step is for you to try it out... |
| 11:17.34 | doomcup | #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #archlinux are already on my shitlist |
| 11:17.39 | rumpsy | But i like to spend my life for debian anyway |
| 11:17.41 | doomcup | Kindly don't add yourselves to them |
| 11:17.58 | nsadmin | rumpsy: that would make you about 20 hours old :) |
| 11:17.58 | azeem_ | doomcup: we don't care |
| 11:17.59 | d3x | doomcup, heh, like we care :) |
| 11:18.08 | d3x | azeem_, hi5! |
| 11:18.14 | nvz | wow, I'm gonna go make breakfast while you get yourself banned |
| 11:18.18 | rumpsy | :D . . |
| 11:18.39 | nsadmin | doomcup: and it's extremely likely that none of them care either |
| 11:19.19 | today | see you late .bye for now |
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| 11:19.26 | nsadmin | begins to wonder who is on who's shitlist :) |
| 11:19.32 | azeem_ | nsadmin: please drop it |
| 11:19.58 | doomcup | I only ask for help |
| 11:20.04 | arand | Is there any appropriate place to request confirmation of debian bugs (or anyone here playing with virtualbox..? Bug seen on ubuntu, want to see if it actually affects debian before pushing a bug report) |
| 11:20.09 | doomcup | That's all I've asked for in those channels, and none of them delivered |
| 11:20.11 | doomcup | Normally I'm very patient |
| 11:20.16 | azeem_ | doomcup: you got the answer |
| 11:20.20 | nsadmin | doomcup: do you have debian installed right now? |
| 11:20.22 | nkuttler | arand: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:20.25 | azeem_ | 13:17 < themill> doomcup: oss4 packages exist for squeeze. They either work or they have bugs filed against them in the BTS. The next step is for you to try it out... |
| 11:20.59 | doomcup | Sorry |
| 11:21.06 | doomcup | It's been a very long couple of days |
| 11:21.16 | doomcup | I'm tired and not a little frustrated |
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| 11:22.00 | doomcup | But if I encounter some problems actually trying to get OSS4 to work, I'll be here asking, and help would be greatly appreciated |
| 11:22.01 | nsadmin | it's a good skill to be able to control your state and not leak it |
| 11:22.23 | arand | nkuttler: I know how, and I have all the necessary information for the bug, including patch, what I want to confirm is if it affects debian at all... |
| 11:22.35 | azeem_ | doomcup: sure |
| 11:23.03 | arand | nkuttler: That it applies on ubuntu is a hint that it might, but not confirmation... |
| 11:23.17 | nkuttler | arand: .... did you read the bts? |
| 11:23.42 | nsadmin | for one thing, I'm guessing that alsa, oss and oss4 are all mutually exclusive, and trouble could be caused by running any combination |
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| 11:27.48 | arand | nkuttler: From what I see, nothing there describes what to do in my case... |
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| 11:28.21 | arand | nkuttler: Or did I miss something you had in mind particularly? |
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| 11:29.18 | nsadmin | how would he know without a list of everything you did not miss |
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| 11:35.53 | ace__ | hi |
| 11:36.49 | ace__ | Its true tha squeeze will habe a bsd kernel |
| 11:36.53 | ace__ | ? |
| 11:37.19 | themill | dpkg: tell ace__ about kfreebsd |
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| 11:37.46 | arand | Okay, so http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/6425 is the vbox bug, bug is seen, and fix works on ubuntu version of virtualbox, I'm not able to test on a proper debian system. Would it be better or worse reporting it blindly to debian, or simply ignoring it, and waiting for someone actually using debian to find and report it? (the latter in my mind sounds like more work in total...) |
| 11:37.48 | telmich | if a package is binary different (i.e build for lenny and squeeze), but otherwise the same, what's the proposed naming scheme? |
| 11:39.03 | wols_ | same naming if it is the exact same version/revision |
| 11:39.15 | wols_ | e.g. it can be different since it depends on different libc6s |
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| 11:39.33 | telmich | wols_: but that breaks the reprepro concect, I cannoct have two times the same package in pool/ |
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| 11:39.37 | nkuttler | arand: you can't just report bugs against debian packages because they exist in other distros... and upstream fixes enter debian sooner or later |
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| 11:40.14 | arand | nkuttler: Ok, fair enough. |
| 11:40.33 | ace__ | where can I find a goo dsoures.list for lenny unstable |
| 11:40.36 | wols_ | arand: it would be worse. you can only report bugs you have experienced under debian at the BTS |
| 11:40.47 | nsadmin | you'd report it for the dis you tested for, and possibly upstream |
| 11:41.05 | nkuttler | arand: and really, "After updating my debian unstable guest to 2.6.32-3", the fix is obvious, isn't it? and that bug was reported against debian.. |
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| 11:41.12 | wols_ | ace__: there is no lenny unstable. what do you want unstable for? |
| 11:41.14 | nsadmin | ace__ where are you located |
| 11:41.36 | nsadmin | lenny is not unstable too |
| 11:41.40 | ace__ | germany,dresden. The tu chemnitz is good as source |
| 11:41.53 | wols_ | ace__: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 11:41.54 | billy | how would I go about setting all directories under folder/ to chmod 755 and all files to 644? |
| 11:42.07 | nkuttler | billy: find | xargs |
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| 11:42.09 | nsadmin | billy: in two steps |
| 11:42.28 | wols_ | ace__: why do you need unstable packages? |
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| 11:42.47 | _jackz_ | Unable to locate tools.jar |
| 11:42.54 | _jackz_ | how do I set Java home? |
| 11:43.03 | arand | nkuttler: That's the guest, host and virtualbox version is still crunchbang (i.e. ubuntu). |
| 11:43.09 | _jackz_ | how to know where to point to? which path? |
| 11:43.55 | nkuttler | arand: right, still, don't run that kernel then. |
| 11:44.02 | themill | _jackz_: how did you install java? |
| 11:44.07 | nsadmin | billy: but these are all recursive operations that change stuff about your files/dirs. caution is advised, count to ten twice before hitting enter. consider backing up your entire storage first. |
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| 11:44.29 | _jackz_ | themill: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jdk |
| 11:44.36 | billy | nsadmin: lol. You're kidding, of course. |
| 11:44.40 | nsadmin | no |
| 11:44.44 | themill | dpkg: tell _jackz_ about update-java-alternatives |
| 11:44.50 | ace__ | because stable are mostly to old for workstation |
| 11:44.52 | nsadmin | not even a little bit. |
| 11:44.57 | nkuttler | lol. famous last words.. |
| 11:45.12 | themill | ace__: all my machines run stable, including my laptops and desktops |
| 11:45.13 | wols_ | ace__: and sid will be to broken for you, trust us |
| 11:45.29 | themill | _jackz_: setting the correct java alternatives should be sufficient |
| 11:45.47 | nsadmin | billy: you're probably implying you're already careful and experienced; good... |
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| 11:46.21 | _jackz_ | themill: thanks |
| 11:46.23 | nsadmin | but failing that, know that an extra space in the wrong place can hose your entire system |
| 11:47.38 | billy | nsadmin: yes. I do have a backup from when I installed FreeBSD a week ago. |
| 11:47.59 | billy | but I believed there was a simple way to do chmod a-x from all entries that are not directories |
| 11:48.16 | nsadmin | there is, have you read man chmod? |
| 11:48.21 | billy | yes |
| 11:48.28 | billy | "read" |
| 11:48.31 | _jackz_ | java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk |
| 11:48.33 | _jackz_ | java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 11:48.43 | _jackz_ | themill: which of these is my java-home? |
| 11:48.45 | _jackz_ | ^ |
| 11:49.03 | _jackz_ | I need to copy an file to it |
| 11:49.13 | _jackz_ | to <JDK-home>/jre/lib/ext |
| 11:49.16 | themill | _jackz_: you shouldn't need to set JAVA_HOME at all. Just set the correct alternative. |
| 11:49.43 | _jackz_ | themill: but I need to copy an file ... |
| 11:50.11 | ace__ | Is there a site where i can look for stable sources.list |
| 11:51.13 | themill | _jackz_: whatever you're configuring shouldn't need to know anyway... but JAVA_HOME will be one of those paths -- pick whichever one you have configured the rest of your java system to use. |
| 11:51.24 | nsadmin | hmm, it looks like you will have to use find and possibly xargs after all... while chmod can do recursion, it doesn't have the ability to differentiate or specify files versus dirs versus other types of special fiels |
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| 11:52.06 | billy | nsadmin: it does... +X |
| 11:52.23 | billy | i guess... |
| 11:52.47 | billy | I will try setting everything to -x... then recursively setting +X |
| 11:53.10 | nsadmin | all the earlier caveats concerning recursive file/dir commands apply |
| 11:53.21 | moritz__ | I got several hp compaq dc7900 machines that won't power off. I found a bug in kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 but am using 2.6.32-3-amd64. So when I shut them down the power on again after a few seconds. Had anyone had a similar problem? google hasn't helped :( |
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| 11:54.43 | billy | nsadmin: Holy upper X, it works! |
| 11:54.47 | billy | lol. thanks. |
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| 11:55.10 | nsadmin | where did you get that from? |
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| 11:55.18 | ace__ | where can I get a driver for my ati radeon ? |
| 11:55.19 | themill | nsadmin: man chmod :) |
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| 11:55.32 | nsadmin | I just looked twice |
| 11:55.37 | nsadmin | didn't see -X |
| 11:55.43 | nsadmin | or -x |
| 11:55.47 | billy | "execute/search only if the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user (X)" |
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| 11:56.00 | billy | they could've organized it better instead of mingling it in the text |
| 11:56.13 | nvz | ace__: /msg dpkg radeon |
| 11:56.27 | nvz | ace__: also ask about fglrx, ati..etc |
| 11:56.40 | ace__ | dpkg -i radeon? |
| 11:56.40 | dpkg | installs radeon into ace__'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:57.01 | nsadmin | you've got a radeon! |
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| 11:57.40 | wols_ | ace__: which radeon exactly? |
| 11:58.02 | rumpsy | ace__: he sometimes naughty. |
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| 11:58.36 | billy | proprietary radeon driver doesn't work for everyone =P |
| 11:58.53 | ace__ | wols_: radeon hd 2600 |
| 11:59.04 | ace__ | wols_: it's old... |
| 11:59.17 | wols_ | that one should work out of thebox |
| 11:59.20 | nsadmin | , pciid 1002:791e |
| 11:59.22 | judd | [1002:791e] is 'RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791e http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 12:00.40 | ace__ | thanks you. You also know a site where Im able tto build a sources list with web interface? |
| 12:00.56 | nsadmin | man sources.list |
| 12:01.05 | nsadmin | build the web interface |
| 12:01.21 | nvz | something tells me he doesn't understand what he just said |
| 12:01.58 | ace__ | haha ...i know the man page... But I mean there I can choice the nearest source or something |
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| 12:02.07 | themill | dpkg: tell ace__ about apt-spy |
| 12:02.21 | nvz | ace__: where are you located? |
| 12:02.24 | linus72 | Hello, is there a debian-live irc channel? |
| 12:02.39 | nvz | ace__: there is a mirror list www.debian.org/mirrors |
| 12:02.40 | nsadmin | your nearest one is probably somewhere in germany? |
| 12:02.57 | nsadmin | right, look at the mirror list |
| 12:03.24 | ace__ | ok thanks |
| 12:03.47 | nvz | linus72: what sort of help are you looking for? |
| 12:03.58 | liable | linus72: yep. /msg dpkg live |
| 12:04.12 | linus72 | Oh, thanks for answering; was just wonderin about debian live stuff |
| 12:04.15 | liable | linus72: its on the oftc network |
| 12:04.17 | linus72 | thx |
| 12:04.21 | linus72 | ok |
| 12:04.21 | nvz | ace__: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list actually |
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| 12:04.48 | fasta | How can I make it impossible for users to turn of the machine when other users are still logged in? |
| 12:04.56 | fasta | off* |
| 12:05.05 | linus72 | If I had a Debian question it would be: when upgrading from lenny to squeeze, how do I fix udev, as it seems to be broken? |
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| 12:05.42 | billy | linus72: that happened to me a few days ago... have you been mixing lenny and squeeze before trying to upgrade? |
| 12:05.47 | nsadmin | udev in lenny or udev in squeez |
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| 12:06.21 | jelly | linus72: reboot into a newer kernel, then continue the upgrade |
| 12:06.29 | nsadmin | mixing will screw your system up, possibly making it impossible to upgrade further or install packages onto |
| 12:06.51 | nsadmin | maybe depending on how far along that path you go |
| 12:07.19 | linus72 | I did that several times; 1st I installed/upgraded kernel, rebooted and attempted to upgrade everything, now it says something about udev and sysfs |
| 12:07.46 | linus72 | yeah, I am guilty of mixxing too |
| 12:07.49 | nsadmin | are there squeeze release notes? |
| 12:07.51 | linus72 | lol |
| 12:07.54 | billy | yes... you can't mix lenny and squeeze. |
| 12:08.05 | linus72 | I ahve been doing it for a wile |
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| 12:08.15 | nsadmin | to your peril |
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| 12:08.17 | linus72 | mostly just upgrading gtk engines,etc |
| 12:08.33 | billy | just use squeeze... than you can mix it with sid |
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| 12:08.59 | billy | honestly.. lenny is way too old... it's so old that pidgin doesn't work with msn.. |
| 12:09.12 | nsadmin | well it's your machine and all... you can do what you want... and it's possible that some situations you would get from that are unsupportable |
| 12:09.18 | jelly | billy: there's backported pidgin. |
| 12:09.31 | jelly | ,versions pidgin |
| 12:09.32 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 12:09.43 | nvz | nsadmin: how could there be release notes for a release that hasn't happened? |
| 12:09.46 | linus72 | oh, my machines are testbeds, they get abused |
| 12:10.12 | linus72 | I have almost every distro, and break things often |
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| 12:10.21 | linus72 | and fix things often |
| 12:10.37 | nsadmin | nvz: typically the release notes would be available at the instant release is done... this would require advance preparation |
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| 12:11.04 | nsadmin | but the part of the relase notes I'd be interested in is the current upgrade instructions |
| 12:11.27 | nvz | !lenny->squeeze |
| 12:11.30 | nvz | ? |
| 12:11.37 | nsadmin | !test |
| 12:11.37 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 12:11.44 | nsadmin | oh, failed... oops |
| 12:12.15 | billy | jelly: yes. It's odd to me... the whole thing. That's why I almost changed distro. |
| 12:12.17 | jelly | nvz: ! doesn't work with factoids having -> in the name, known bug |
| 12:12.48 | nvz | jelly: wasn't know to me.. until now :-p |
| 12:13.01 | nvz | dpkg, lenny->squeeze? |
| 12:13.01 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 12:13.02 | nsadmin | oh because it assumes you mean !lenny- > squeeze |
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| 12:20.34 | eni23 | hello at everyone. i got here a broken raid, it seems that the partition-tables are not allright.. is there a possibility to fix only the tables? |
| 12:22.57 | nsadmin | somehow such a process would have to find the actual partitions |
| 12:23.03 | nsadmin | got backups? |
| 12:23.52 | nsadmin | "it seems that the partition-tables are not allright" sounds like you're not sure if this is the case or not. how can you come to be sure? |
| 12:26.28 | eni23 | nsadmin: backups are not really actual :( , means fdisk list the partitions correct |
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| 12:27.24 | nsadmin | so fdisk thinks the partition tables are good? |
| 12:27.34 | nsadmin | what happens after a reboot? |
| 12:28.36 | eni23 | nsadmin: the same. this is my fdisk-output: http://pastebin.com/UCqM8gXK , but really there is only /dev/sda |
| 12:28.56 | nsadmin | how do you know the raid is broken? you must have tried something and it failed, or tried something and it gave you a specific error outptu |
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| 12:29.34 | nsadmin | ok, this is a raid but there's only one disk? where are the others? |
| 12:30.50 | eni23 | nsadmin: the others are sdb3,sdc3,sdd3 but no valid partion table. |
| 12:31.04 | eni23 | it got broken this morning with no interaction |
| 12:31.48 | nsadmin | so, sdb sdc sdd exist and the kernel thinks this too? |
| 12:32.16 | eni23 | jeah, there exist but no valid partitons on it |
| 12:33.30 | nsadmin | ok, do you have partition table backups for any of these drives? |
| 12:33.35 | fruitwerks | can I list the install order of my packages? |
| 12:34.14 | nsadmin | fruitwerks, there might be an aptitude or dpkg log you can see |
| 12:34.42 | eni23 | nsadmin: no, but those are 4x the same discs, mabye i can get it from /dev/sda ? |
| 12:34.56 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 12:34.57 | fruitwerks | does not like debian package management |
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| 12:35.08 | nsadmin | then why run debian? |
| 12:35.13 | rmrfchik | is there channel from debian-kde/qt team? |
| 12:35.51 | fruitwerks | it was the best choice for everything we needed |
| 12:35.55 | nsadmin | eni23, if they are 4x same disk, did you partition them the same? |
| 12:36.09 | nsadmin | fruitwerks, is it still the best choice? |
| 12:36.10 | eni23 | nsadmin: yeah |
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| 12:37.58 | nsadmin | eni23, this might be dangerous... but if there is no partition table and you are -positive- the partition tables are -identical-, we can try sfdisk. Do you want to try that? we will read your sda partition table then write it onto sdb, c, d |
| 12:38.47 | eni23 | nsadmin: i think this is the last shot i've got so yes ! |
| 12:39.07 | nsadmin | ok... first, look at man sfdisk completely |
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| 12:41.22 | nsadmin | the safe part we can do now: |
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| 12:41.46 | nsadmin | sfdisk -d /dev/sda > ~/sda.out |
| 12:42.52 | nsadmin | then you can look at ~/sda.out to see if that looks reasonable |
| 12:43.39 | fruitwerks | ugh.. I am trying to remove stuff, but it wants to install an mta... I already have an mta |
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| 12:44.23 | nsadmin | an mta you installed via apt-get/aptitude? |
| 12:44.30 | fruitwerks | yes |
| 12:44.32 | uwjweq | When I set EDITOR to emacslcient -n I always get the error Cannot exec emacsclient -n: No such file or directory |
| 12:44.39 | uwjweq | What can be wrong? |
| 12:44.46 | uwjweq | Without the parameter it works. |
| 12:44.52 | fruitwerks | this is a mess lol |
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| 12:45.17 | nsadmin | it thinks you mean that "emacsclient -n" is the name of a file to exec |
| 12:45.38 | Titan8990 | uwjweq: you need to make an alias for emacsclient, and then set EDITOR to that |
| 12:45.48 | nsadmin | eni23, how you doin |
| 12:45.51 | uwjweq | Nice, thank you. |
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| 12:47.51 | eni23 | nsadmin: read the manual and backed up the tables. those files look exactly the same except the device-name (/dev/sdx) |
| 12:48.18 | nsadmin | so you did the -d on all the drives? |
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| 12:49.15 | eni23 | nsadmin: yeah. but on those 4 drives the start/end&size looks excatly the same |
| 12:49.23 | rodsonn | [drm:drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. I encounter this after upgrading to kernel 2.6.32. Any solution? |
| 12:49.30 | eni23 | so this means the tables are still allright? |
| 12:49.42 | Tommy\DO | Which portable mp3 player can you guys recommend for use with linux? |
| 12:51.26 | nsadmin | eni23, looks that way |
| 12:51.52 | nsadmin | how many partitions on each? |
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| 12:53.27 | fasta | Tommy\DO, all modern mp3 players present a USB device, AFAIK. |
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| 12:53.51 | fasta | Tommy\DO, meaning that it doesn't matter, but avoid Microsoft and Apple to be on the safe side. |
| 12:54.16 | eni23 | nsadmin: should be only one (raid-partition) |
| 12:54.33 | eni23 | fasta: creative players are no gpo |
| 12:54.36 | eni23 | no good |
| 12:54.59 | fasta | eni23, because? I can imagine that, but specifics would be nice. |
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| 12:55.22 | nsadmin | eni23, should be? pastebin one of the sfdisk -d outputs |
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| 12:57.51 | eni23 | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/sx9hryH0 |
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| 12:59.32 | nsadmin | it looks like you have a linux partition on sda1, a swap on sda2 and something else on sda3 (dunno what type fd is) |
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| 13:00.07 | nsadmin | you say all four drives are identical? |
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| 13:02.35 | efaistos | whats the best practice/tip for bind TTL ? what do you use usually ? |
| 13:03.16 | eni23 | nsadmin: yes they are absolute identic |
| 13:03.29 | nsadmin | so all have three partitions |
| 13:03.35 | eni23 | yes.. |
| 13:04.31 | nsadmin | so the partition tables are intact |
| 13:04.39 | Titan8990 | efaistos: bind as in the nameserver? |
| 13:05.02 | efaistos | Titan8990: bind dns ... |
| 13:05.22 | nsadmin | it depends how often you want to make changes |
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| 13:05.54 | Titan8990 | efaistos: right.. the nameserver. try #bind |
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| 13:06.14 | eni23 | nsadmin: seems to. but there are no /dev/sd{b,c,d}1,2,3 , only /dev/sda1,2,3 |
| 13:06.40 | nsadmin | I thought you said they were all identical. |
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| 13:07.15 | nsadmin | you mean no device files |
| 13:07.41 | eni23 | yes no device files of the partitions only of the drive |
| 13:07.42 | elvish | ls /dev/sd* |
| 13:07.53 | eni23 | but they are identic |
| 13:08.11 | nsadmin | missing device files would explain why it's not coming up |
| 13:08.26 | elvish | yup |
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| 13:08.46 | elvish | but why not generated? |
| 13:08.48 | nsadmin | these are all scsi devices? |
| 13:08.57 | eni23 | sata |
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| 13:09.08 | giles | how do I remove all packages relating to kde, xorg, etc |
| 13:09.18 | giles | I just want the server to be headless |
| 13:09.24 | jelly | !tell giles about remove kde |
| 13:09.36 | jelly | !tell giles about remove x |
| 13:09.39 | nsadmin | giles: you could leave the client libs |
| 13:10.00 | jelly | screw libs! headless all the way baby |
| 13:10.03 | giles | ta jelly |
| 13:10.14 | eni23 | here is the output of ls /dev/sd* : http://pastebin.com/iGQ5zdsa (sde is an removable hd) |
| 13:10.54 | nsadmin | so it doesn't read the partition tables of bcd |
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| 13:11.08 | nsadmin | but it does on a3 |
| 13:11.10 | nsadmin | err ae |
| 13:11.50 | nsadmin | run this... |
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| 13:11.59 | eni23 | i think that's it |
| 13:12.40 | eni23 | err: command not found |
| 13:13.38 | nsadmin | (sfdisk -d /dev/sdb ; echo "=========" ; sfdisk -d /dev/sdc ; echo "=========" ; sfdisk -d /dev/sdd) > ~/sdbcd.txt |
| 13:13.50 | luis__ | alquien me ayuada con kradio? |
| 13:13.56 | luis__ | "2010-04-12T23:09:20 V4LRadio::readTunerInfo: cannot get tuner info (error -1) " |
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| 13:14.06 | nsadmin | then pastebin ~/sdbcd.txt |
| 13:14.40 | eni23 | ok: http://pastebin.com/GKpEHs16 |
| 13:15.36 | nsadmin | yep, partition tables are good. |
| 13:16.05 | nsadmin | now, why does /dev/sd{b,c,d}{1,2,3} not exist |
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| 13:16.09 | elvish | yup |
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| 13:16.36 | nsadmin | it's weird that it sees sda and sde |
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| 13:18.12 | eni23 | nsadmin: i have no idea. it was like this since this morning. i tried to move the disc-array to another pc but it's the same there , so i think the controller is allright |
| 13:18.30 | nsadmin | the controller is probably fine... |
| 13:18.58 | nsadmin | you sure nothing was changed? did you upgrade anything in say the last month? |
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| 13:20.34 | eni23 | just the usual updates. 2 weeks ago i patched something on apache, but should be no problem.. |
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| 13:21.13 | eni23 | right now i'm running a live-system (the system was ON the raid) |
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| 13:21.45 | nsadmin | what do you mean "usual updates"? what dist are you running? |
| 13:21.53 | elvish | try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 13:22.29 | elvish | and paste |
| 13:22.30 | nsadmin | also from the logs, when were the last (say) 5 times the machine has been restarted? |
| 13:23.15 | nsadmin | elvish: do you think udev needs time to make sure the drives are all spun up? |
| 13:23.39 | elvish | nsadmin: maybe, but the logs would be nice... |
| 13:23.46 | eni23 | right now i'm running with an ubuntu-live-cd, but the server is a lenny-server |
| 13:23.53 | nsadmin | eni23, I'm guessing one of those times was last night |
| 13:24.09 | nsadmin | does the machine stay on 24/7? |
| 13:24.23 | eni23 | nsadmin: i cannot read the logs, for this i have to assemble the raid first. |
| 13:24.33 | nsadmin | gotcha... |
| 13:24.39 | eni23 | nsadmin: yes it's an 24/7 machine |
| 13:24.47 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 13:24.56 | elvish | eni23: ok |
| 13:24.59 | nsadmin | so run this... lesses... |
| 13:25.40 | nsadmin | ls /dev/sd* |
| 13:25.53 | nsadmin | you getting any more after restarting udev? |
| 13:26.05 | eni23 | nsadmin: and assemble is not possible because mdadm does not recognize sdbcd |
| 13:26.20 | nsadmin | yes, understood |
| 13:26.48 | eni23 | nsadmin: no more devices after running udev |
| 13:27.03 | pallgone | compiz is not included in default debian gnome? |
| 13:27.25 | elvish | pallgone: nope |
| 13:27.35 | abrotman | pallgone: as the default WM? no, but you can certainly use it |
| 13:27.37 | nvz | pallgone: sure, since we know everyone has high end graphics cards, it makes perfect sense.. |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | nvz: you don't need high-end |
| 13:28.28 | pallgone | well... no problem if it is not... even better in my opinion... but I wasn't sure |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | pallgone: i believe the 'default' is metacity, but you have many to choose from |
| 13:29.16 | nvz | metacity, yes. I have it on here, but replaced it on my netbook that I use more often |
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| 13:30.25 | pallgone | I do like the option they have in fedora per default... system > preferences > desktop: you can choose between metacity, compiz and gnome-shell. metacity being the default |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | pallgone: i believe that works in debian also, but you have to have them installed |
| 13:31.09 | pallgone | abrotman: I'll check it out... |
| 13:31.24 | abrotman | pallgone: may also depend on which version of debian you're using |
| 13:31.32 | pallgone | squeeze... |
| 13:31.32 | sdousley|work | ok, I've got a weird thing going on here, I've installed the e1000e driver from source, and it works great, however, when I reboot, it seems to revert back to the default kernel's e1000e driver, not the manually installed one. Anyone got any ideas how to check this? |
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| 13:31.53 | nvz | sdousley|work: lsmod |
| 13:31.54 | elvish | nsadmin: whaddaya think? |
| 13:32.23 | Titan8990 | sdousley|work: what was wrong with the existing one? |
| 13:32.40 | nsadmin | so far I think that if he creates the devices, we can find out if the raid is ok... |
| 13:32.57 | nsadmin | that might be better use of our time than to debug stupid udev... |
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| 13:33.28 | sdousley|work | Titan8990: I need a later version of e1000e as driver in the 2.6.26 doesn't support my nic until 2.6.31 |
| 13:33.33 | elvish | nsadmin: good point. get the raid up, then look at logs... |
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| 13:34.08 | nvz | sdousley|work: you can't have two drivers with the same name.. so either you compiled it as another name, or you replaced/patched the one in the kernel |
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| 13:34.37 | nvz | sdousley|work: maybe you should explain what you did |
| 13:35.06 | nvz | sdousley|work: or I could suggest you just install a 2.6.31 kernel |
| 13:35.20 | elvish | nsadmin: now i gotta remember nknod |
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| 13:35.58 | nsadmin | you just did... now man mknod, and try ls -l /dev/sd* |
| 13:36.17 | nsadmin | on your box (hmm, maybe you dont' have any sds) |
| 13:36.20 | nsadmin | I do |
| 13:36.41 | nvz | sdousley|work: there is a 2.6.32 kernel in backports |
| 13:36.59 | nsadmin | sda,1,2,3 are 8,0 8,1 8,2 8,3 |
| 13:37.17 | J_P | Debian 6.0 really will not more support ARM arch? |
| 13:37.58 | jelly | J_P: only armel |
| 13:38.12 | plus_M | aaah nothing is resolving all of a sudden D: |
| 13:38.50 | plus_M | how do I update my DNS cache |
| 13:38.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell J_P about arm |
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| 13:39.21 | wols_ | plus_M: there is no DNS cache normally |
| 13:39.47 | elvish | eni23: you listening? |
| 13:39.56 | nvz | dpkg arm |
| 13:40.05 | eni23 | elvish: yes yes |
| 13:40.07 | plus_M | maybe my DNS server is down |
| 13:40.15 | plus_M | how do I change my dns server? |
| 13:40.17 | Merwin | I'm trying to run a gui app from a script executed by udev. => export DISPLAY=":0" /path/to/my/script. When I run this from a no gui console, I got errors 'cannot conenct to X server...' wheras the server is started. If I do the same, with su <user> -c '/path/to/my/script' it works. Do you know why? |
| 13:40.31 | wols_ | plus_M: dig google.com or if that's not installed nslookup google.com |
| 13:40.40 | Merwin | (user is a user connected to an X environnement) |
| 13:40.42 | sdousley|work | nvz: Basically, I did a net install off CD using a temporary network card, downloaded the e1000e sources, ran the "make install" command as per what the guide said, and then when I modprobe e1000e it shows both nic's, not just the one |
| 13:40.55 | wols_ | Merwin: X authorization |
| 13:41.03 | plus_M | wols_: I have dig, but it's just hanging. |
| 13:41.08 | Merwin | wols_, how can I fix it? |
| 13:41.17 | nvz | sdousley|work: do you have anything against just installing 2.6.32 from backports? I could help you with that.. seems easiest to me |
| 13:41.23 | plus_M | wols_: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:41.32 | wols_ | !tell Merwin about xauth |
| 13:41.40 | elvish | eni23: we've gotta try to make the devices manually. do man mknod and ls -l /dev/sd* |
| 13:41.55 | sdousley|work | nvz: well, I'd rather have something that's easy to install. I have a 2.6.32 install disk, but as this is servers due to go into production, would rather stick with kernels that are available in the regular debian trees |
| 13:41.56 | wols_ | plus_M: ping 8.8.8.8. it it answers, put that in your resolv.conf and you're good to go |
| 13:42.27 | plus_M | wols_: my resolv.conf is empty. Do I just put "8.8.8.8"? |
| 13:42.28 | wols_ | *if it answers |
| 13:42.34 | themill | sdousley|work: I'm still trying to work out how your self-compiled kernel is more a "regular debian tree" rather than the one from bpo. |
| 13:42.37 | nvz | sdousley|work: that theory doesn't really make any difference if you are modifying it with a driver |
| 13:42.39 | elvish | eni23: you'll use mknod to create the devices, then we'll try to get the raid up. |
| 13:42.39 | wols_ | plus_M: why is it empty? |
| 13:42.45 | plus_M | wols_: I have no idea |
| 13:42.56 | wols_ | plus_M: your DNS stopped working cause it is empty |
| 13:42.57 | nvz | sdousley|work: the backport is more official than what you are doing |
| 13:42.58 | eni23 | elvish: ok did it. but i don't really understand the manpage of mknod |
| 13:43.00 | sdousley|work | themill: I'm not using a self-compiled kernel |
| 13:43.10 | plus_M | =/ |
| 13:43.12 | sdousley|work | themill: I'm just using an updated e1000e driver |
| 13:43.17 | wols_ | plus_M: you using DHCP? |
| 13:43.20 | plus_M | wols_: I am |
| 13:43.33 | wols_ | that should set your resolv.conf properly |
| 13:43.41 | plus_M | so should I just restart the dhclient service? |
| 13:44.00 | wols_ | run dhclient eth0 as root, if eth0 is your main network interface |
| 13:44.01 | plus_M | or whatever |
| 13:44.07 | elvish | eni23: take your time. some really good discussions out there, and the cannels a little crowded for a tutorial... |
| 13:44.26 | plus_M | there |
| 13:44.35 | Merwin | wols_, hum ok. but I don't want to add a permanently key, just run one application, one itme |
| 13:44.39 | eni23 | elvish: shure shure. i'm reading now.. |
| 13:44.40 | plus_M | wols_: thanks, I wonder why my resolv.conf suddenly disappeared |
| 13:45.03 | wols_ | Merwin: as what user does this app run? |
| 13:45.14 | Merwin | It's started as root |
| 13:45.26 | wols_ | !tell plus_M about resolvconf |
| 13:45.27 | epsilon | plus_M: is your network/interfaces.conf configured to run dhcp? |
| 13:45.30 | Merwin | (by a script called by udev) |
| 13:45.32 | wols_ | my guess is a snafu with resolvconf |
| 13:45.42 | nvz | sdousley|work: if you modify the driver, and the kernel updates, your server goes down.. if you use backport it will not. the backported kernel is official and made and debianized by the debian kernel team |
| 13:45.46 | epsilon | plus_M: in this case, just ifdown eth... && ifup eth... |
| 13:45.49 | nvz | sdousley|work: its simply backported to stable |
| 13:46.09 | wols_ | Merwin: why do you start a program ruznning under X as root? |
| 13:46.19 | sdousley|work | nvz: ok, fair enough, I only wanted to avoid that as I've had issues with getting the backported sources for other things in the past. |
| 13:46.20 | plus_M | hm |
| 13:46.29 | plus_M | every time I run vim it complains "Write error in swap file" |
| 13:46.50 | themill | sdousley|work: you said that earlier too but I didn't understand then either... what does "getting the backported sources" mean? |
| 13:46.51 | plus_M | ...oh |
| 13:46.51 | wols_ | sdousley|work: one way or the other there are possible issues. however, kernel issues are rare unless the newer kernel itself has a bug imho |
| 13:46.55 | plus_M | I know what the problem is |
| 13:46.55 | Merwin | wols_, the program is started when an usbkey is plugger, by udev. I don't see an other way |
| 13:46.57 | nvz | sdousley|work: when you make a 3rd party driver for kernel-foo-1-bar and it upgrades to kernel-foo-2-bar its going to look for a driver and search in /lib/modules/foo-2-bar/ and find the driver you don't want |
| 13:46.59 | plus_M | my root partition is full. |
| 13:47.21 | plus_M | I need to reinstall and not use retarded partition sizes. |
| 13:47.26 | wols_ | Merwin: autohrize root to run X clients then permanently. it'S root after all. it can do what it wants :) |
| 13:47.49 | nvz | sdousley|work: so by my understanding you're better off using 2.6.32 from backports for the easiest and most reliable way to resolve your issue |
| 13:48.13 | sdousley|work | nvz: fair enough |
| 13:48.13 | nsadmin | are the major and minor numbers of /dev/sd* dynamically allocated? |
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| 13:48.30 | Merwin | wols_, euh ok, I'll try to find how to do that :) |
| 13:48.32 | nvz | sdousley|work: what kernel arch are you using? uname -r |
| 13:49.17 | sdousley|work | themill: i mean like if you install something that needs the kernel sources (say the nvidia driver for example) I've had problems getting the sources to match the running kernel off a backported disk |
| 13:49.18 | wols_ | Merwin: see the dpkg factoid. the dirty way is "xhost" but that's a bad one |
| 13:49.26 | sdousley|work | nvz: at the moment it's 686 |
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| 13:49.54 | wols_ | sdousley|work: you simply install ALWAYS kernel headers together with the kernel. no exceptions. and suddenly you can compile any kernel module you want :) |
| 13:50.12 | nvz | sdousley|work: echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:50.17 | sdousley|work | wols_: yes, but installing kernel-headers never seems to et the backported version |
| 13:50.26 | themill | sdousley|work: if you're running a kernel that's current from backports.org (i.e. not some ancient long ago removed kernel) then it's not a problem. |
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| 13:50.40 | wols_ | sdousley|work: every kernel debian has has kernelheaders too. no matter if stable, testing, unstable, backports, etc |
| 13:50.59 | wols_ | sdousley|work: and now with snapshot.debian.org being official, all packages are saved for posteriority forever |
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| 13:52.50 | nsadmin | are the major and minor numbers of /dev/sd* dynamically allocated? |
| 13:52.52 | eni23 | nsadmin: elvish: now i've got created the missing dev-files with mknod |
| 13:52.57 | rhineheart_m | hello... how to disable selinux in debian 5? |
| 13:53.15 | eni23 | nsadmin: elvish: should i try to assemble the raid now? |
| 13:53.20 | nsadmin | ok, show ls -l /dev/sd* |
| 13:53.21 | nvz | sdousley|work: nothing pulls from backports without -t lenny-backports |
| 13:53.24 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: how did you enable it? |
| 13:53.24 | nsadmin | in a pastebin |
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| 13:53.33 | sdousley|work | nvz: I've just tried that as suggested, and it's not liking the aptitude -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:53.42 | sdousley|work | nvz: ah, maybe that's where I was going wrong |
| 13:53.47 | eni23 | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/SngLizEe |
| 13:54.00 | PinkFreud | sdousley|work: aptitude -t lenny-backports install ... |
| 13:54.10 | nvz | sdousley|work: my bad.. forgot the install command |
| 13:54.16 | wols_ | nsadmin: yes. we have udev nowadays. it's job is to do it dynamically and no more mknod |
| 13:54.17 | nvz | PinkFreud: (; |
| 13:54.23 | PinkFreud | nvz: :) |
| 13:54.29 | Titan8990 | nvz: it doesn't have super cow powers you know! |
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| 13:54.47 | nsadmin | wols_ looks like it's not doing the job in this case |
| 13:54.54 | nvz | Titan8990: I normally use apt-get but started saying aptitude in here to avoid getting flamed |
| 13:55.06 | nvz | personally I think aptitude is just annoying |
| 13:55.16 | wols_ | nsadmin: well it's software, so it's buggy by default |
| 13:55.18 | abrotman | personally, i think nvz is just annoying :) |
| 13:55.19 | themill | nvz: we don't care. |
| 13:55.30 | sdousley|work | nvz: ah, course lol |
| 13:55.43 | PinkFreud | Titan8990: yes, but it does have an elephant being eaten by a snake |
| 13:55.51 | rhineheart_m | where to download debian 4? |
| 13:55.52 | nvz | seriously guys, I've been in situations where aptitude tries to do its magic on resolving issues with testing/unstable and just fucks things up worse |
| 13:55.53 | nsadmin | wols_ we know all this... could you help? |
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| 13:56.04 | nvz | I tell people how to do things that I personally can support |
| 13:56.11 | nvz | and I can fix things with just apt and dpkg |
| 13:56.13 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: etch is no longer supported. are you going to ignore my first question? |
| 13:56.13 | wols_ | nsadmin: unlikely. I don't do raid stuff, sorry |
| 13:56.18 | themill | nvz: we don't care. |
| 13:56.22 | nvz | if they get stuck at all with aptitude, chances are I can't help them |
| 13:56.28 | nsadmin | we just need to know if the numbers are correct |
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| 13:56.50 | themill | sdousley|work: you probably should set some sensible pinning as per the instructions on backports.org so that you will automagically get updates to packages you have installed from bpo |
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| 13:57.01 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 13:57.22 | nsadmin | if the other three drives are not seen by the kernel, could the bios have something to do with that |
| 13:57.28 | sdousley|work | nvz: themill pinning? that sounds useful :) |
| 13:57.38 | wols_ | nsadmin: no. kernel doesn't give a fuck about BIOS |
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| 13:57.44 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: sorry for that.. I just had encountered installing this database.. GT.M in my newly installed debian 5.. I thought the one causing the problem is selinux.. and I thought it's enabled by default.. |
| 13:57.45 | wols_ | either the driver sees the disks or it doesn't |
| 13:57.55 | nvz | sdousley|work: yeah, pinning always is useful. http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:58.00 | themill | sdousley|work: exactly as described on the backports.org instructions page |
| 13:58.16 | wols_ | eni23: did you pastebin your dmesg output yet? dmesg frm the bootup part, where the kernel detects hardware |
| 13:58.19 | nsadmin | it sees the disks but only the partitions on sda and sde (but sfdisk sees the partitions on also bcd) |
| 13:58.51 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: no, it actually takes quite a bit to get selinux up in going. fedora/rhel are the only ones I know that have it up and running by default |
| 13:59.07 | wols_ | eni23: if you used dd to write back the partition table(s) you probably need to reboot so the kernel knows about the, no other way for it to see them afaik |
| 13:59.15 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: what is GT.M? is that proprietary? |
| 13:59.44 | eni23 | wols_: i did not change anything on ther tables they seems to be correct |
| 13:59.46 | nsadmin | hopefully he didn't do that |
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| 14:00.04 | wols_ | eni23: so what does dmesg say? |
| 14:00.11 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: thank you for the information.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/ |
| 14:00.14 | wols_ | it usualyl tells you what partition(s) if any are on the disk |
| 14:00.24 | sdousley|work | ty nvz and themill :) I'll have a look at that one :D |
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| 14:01.08 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: what issues are you running in to? |
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| 14:02.23 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I just can't install it..it says Permission Denied |
| 14:02.28 | Breaking_Pitt | hello I need more info with packaging sorry! |
| 14:02.49 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: are you root? how are you trying to install it? "make install"? |
| 14:02.55 | Breaking_Pitt | when i'm using dpkg -i my sistem says depends on python-storm; |
| 14:03.09 | Breaking_Pitt | how can I say to the package to install python-storm automatically |
| 14:03.28 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: I tried as a regular user..the su.. then root.. but none of them work.. I simply used ./configure |
| 14:03.37 | nsadmin | Breaking_Pitt dpkg doesn't download anything |
| 14:03.39 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: dpkg does not handle installation of depend like apt |
| 14:03.57 | Breaking_Pitt | but i only can use apt if i have it in a repo |
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| 14:04.10 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: does the file "configure" have executable permissions? |
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| 14:04.25 | rhineheart_m | Titan8990: how to check it? |
| 14:04.31 | Titan8990 | rhineheart_m: ls -l |
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| 14:05.09 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: right, if you are manually installing .debs, you also have to manually fetch/install depends |
| 14:05.20 | Breaking_Pitt | ok thanks Titan8990 |
| 14:05.48 | JordiGH | Is there a way to use an existing GNU/Linux installation to install Debian? For stupid reasons, I can't boot the computer from a CD or USB. |
| 14:05.58 | Titan8990 | !debootstrap |
| 14:05.59 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 14:06.02 | JordiGH | I also have a Windows 7 installation... |
| 14:06.18 | JordiGH | Titan8990: Thanks, this sounds like it's going to be fun... |
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| 14:07.19 | nvz | JordiGH: there is also debtakeover but idk how well that works |
| 14:07.45 | nvz | JordiGH: I try USB and PXE first before anything else these days myself |
| 14:08.03 | eni23 | wols_: http://pastebin.com/1tUFiNcZ |
| 14:08.06 | JordiGH | I don't think this thing can boot from USB. |
| 14:08.15 | Titan8990 | I like debootstrap... makes me feel like I am installing gentoo again without the days of compiling :p |
| 14:08.16 | JordiGH | At least, my attempts to do so with syslinux failed. |
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| 14:09.07 | nvz | JordiGH: might not be able to.. I just moved to using a netbook and don't have an optical drive or cds as redily available as I used to.. so I do a lot of USB and PXE installs these days |
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| 14:09.34 | eni23 | nsadmin: elvish: still the same problem: mdadm -E /dev/sda3 looks fine but on the other 3: cannot open /dev/sdb3: No such device or address |
| 14:09.40 | nvz | JordiGH: debootstrap is way easier than either though |
| 14:09.55 | eni23 | but created them with kmnod |
| 14:10.31 | JordiGH | Hm, parted says this Ubuntu install has one extended partition and what looks like three logical partitions inside it. I can wipe the logical partition (it's /home) and install Debian there, right? |
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| 14:10.38 | wols_ | eni23: strange. it finds them: # |
| 14:10.47 | wols_ | eni23: # |
| 14:10.49 | wols_ | [ 3.040535] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 |
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| 14:11.24 | nvz | JordiGH: provided you can do all your work as root, then yeah |
| 14:11.25 | eni23 | yes. but no device-files |
| 14:11.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: sure. just make up your mind how to boot it |
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| 14:11.51 | JordiGH | My question is just if I can install everything on a logical partition... it's not like LVM, right? |
| 14:12.20 | wols_ | JordiGH: logical partitions are fine. grub has brains when windows doesn't :) |
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| 14:12.56 | nsadmin | eni23: is that the exact message you get from before when there was not a node? |
| 14:13.00 | wols_ | eni23: my guess is one of the udev script(s) are fucked up, but I dunno about udev |
| 14:13.41 | eni23 | mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb3: No such device or address |
| 14:13.48 | nsadmin | it's looking like the kernel doesn't allocate the device endpoint |
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| 14:14.34 | nsadmin | maybe udev would have allocated it if the kernel allocated the internal device structure |
| 14:14.59 | nsadmin | did he pastebin dmesg? |
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| 14:15.19 | elvish | eni23: you change your kernel in an upgrade? |
| 14:15.30 | elvish | he did |
| 14:15.31 | eni23 | nsadmin: but only the intresting lines http://pastebin.com/1tUFiNcZ |
| 14:15.53 | nsadmin | eni23, you still haven't said what you meant by "usual upgrades", there is no such thing |
| 14:16.19 | elvish | they come with usual suspects... |
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| 14:16.55 | eni23 | nsadmin: some security-updates for samba, but no kernel |
| 14:17.16 | elvish | 'kay |
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| 14:17.52 | eni23 | right now the server is running with an ubuntu-livesystem, but i try another now |
| 14:18.07 | OffToHades | hi guys. Do you handle different flavors of debian here? I'm with a guy who says he's being charged for updating his nokia n900 with debian onboard. |
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| 14:18.33 | OffToHades | Didn't think you could charge for online linux updates |
| 14:18.48 | NiLon | is there any date for squeeze freezing set yet? can't find that info atleast |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | OffToHades: that's a nokia question .. tht does not run Debian proper |
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| 14:18.59 | abrotman | NiLon: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 14:19.00 | azeem_ | OffToHades: nokia n900 does not ship debian |
| 14:19.03 | azeem_ | it ships maemo |
| 14:19.17 | Titan8990 | OffToHades: #debian-openmok maybe |
| 14:19.18 | nsadmin | well the live does seem to see the partitions |
| 14:19.25 | Titan8990 | openmoko |
| 14:19.34 | JordiGH | Hm, is it possible to X-forward to server A a window that is already open on server B? |
| 14:19.49 | eni23 | nsadmin: ok i booted now with an knoppix and it creates all device-files |
| 14:19.58 | OffToHades | ok guys, cheers. |
| 14:20.01 | nsadmin | it does? |
| 14:20.08 | nsadmin | that sounds promising |
| 14:20.13 | eni23 | mabye this is a problem of f*** ubuntu 9.10 |
| 14:20.33 | JordiGH | eni23: I'm trying to get rid of Ubuntu too. :P |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | wait .. you're trying to use knoppix to fix ubuntu ? |
| 14:20.58 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 14:20.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 14:21.06 | eni23 | JordiGH: i don't use ubuntu but was the only live-cd i had |
| 14:21.22 | nsadmin | accusatories are directed to the scrollback |
| 14:21.41 | nsadmin | I don't have time to correct your assumptions |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | we correct yours ... |
| 14:21.55 | JordiGH | OffToHades: You can certainly charge for selling free software. |
| 14:22.06 | OffToHades | cheers JordiGH. I'll toddle off and speak to someone re maemo instead. |
| 14:22.15 | OffToHades | Bbfn. |
| 14:23.16 | elvish | eni23: the raid was set up with Debian? |
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| 14:26.07 | elvish | nsadmin: ?? |
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| 14:30.58 | eni23 | elvish: yes was set up with debian. |
| 14:31.05 | petern_ | hmm, is there a solution for deploying dnssec on debian lenny? |
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| 14:31.31 | nsadmin | that's what I thought... |
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| 14:31.32 | petern_ | (as a caching/resolving server, not authoritative) |
| 14:31.46 | eni23 | GOT IT!! i can mount it again in knoppix. now i'm saving all the data and buy new drives after :) |
| 14:32.06 | nsadmin | awesome :) |
| 14:32.15 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, debootstrap looks pretty easy to use. |
| 14:32.23 | eni23 | thanks at all that helped me, specally nsadmin |
| 14:32.40 | niklaswe | hello, i have a problem.. i have follow this guide.. http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenAFS_installation_on_Debian when i trying to use aklog it says that i can't get any tokens.. |
| 14:32.41 | Titan8990 | JordiGH: I recommend following the debootstrap section of the install guide, and not the wiki |
| 14:32.46 | niklaswe | any ide about it.? |
| 14:32.56 | JordiGH | ed? |
| 14:33.01 | JordiGH | ed is essential? |
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| 14:33.39 | petemc | ed is dead |
| 14:33.54 | Titan8990 | ed still has its usefulness in scripting |
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| 14:34.04 | petemc | its a pixies song |
| 14:34.14 | JordiGH | Oh, it's important, not essential. |
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| 14:35.54 | nsadmin | ed is dad? |
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| 14:36.44 | nvz | sed, awk, perl... |
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| 14:37.00 | nvz | ring any bells? |
| 14:37.12 | nsadmin | perl can ring a bell?! |
| 14:37.20 | nvz | perl can do everything |
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| 14:37.35 | nvz | its just a $E%QU(U%(Q@JTAWERJG:LSDJ)) or two away |
| 14:37.47 | nvz | and yes I randomly pounded on my keyboard |
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| 14:38.22 | jelly | it looks suspiciously like something that makes sense in a language abrotman would know about |
| 14:38.36 | nsadmin | I randomly pound when I want big integers... I've done it before about 907842397239479237498237498273498723498723497243 times |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | jelly: or a sendmail config |
| 14:39.15 | nvz | nsadmin: as can be expected.. there are way too many 3's, 7's, and 9's in there |
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| 14:40.03 | nvz | not a single 1 and only 1 zero |
| 14:40.41 | nsadmin | oh, in binary that must be 00101010100101000010101010100100110100100101010101001001001001001100110010100101000001111010100101010000101010100111101010100101010100001010100100101 |
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| 14:41.08 | ham5 | 0111011101101000011000010111010000111111 |
| 14:41.17 | nvz | yeah well its far easier in base 10 to spot fabricated numerical data |
| 14:41.51 | \amethyst | nvz: assuming it's been fabricated by a human :) |
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| 14:42.02 | \amethyst | or someone that uses base 10 |
| 14:42.02 | nvz | \amethyst: true.. heh |
| 14:42.32 | nvz | though I must admit, I never thought about that point before |
| 14:43.10 | nvz | usually when I'm looking over something in that way some conclusions have already been drawn |
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| 15:04.32 | _Dave123_ | how can I keep al ive a ssh connection? |
| 15:04.49 | petemc | depends whats killing it |
| 15:05.01 | _Dave123_ | ssh -R 19999:localhost:22 nick@shell.com |
| 15:05.05 | _Dave123_ | i want to keep a live this ssh connection |
| 15:05.11 | _Dave123_ | nothing on windows xp |
| 15:05.14 | _Dave123_ | or in the VM |
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| 15:05.37 | Lazy^ | _Dave123_: make a screen ? |
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| 15:06.07 | _Dave123_ | screen as in? |
| 15:06.14 | Titan8990 | GNU screen |
| 15:06.23 | Titan8990 | the command, "screen" |
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| 15:06.37 | habeeb | Hello there ! |
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| 15:06.42 | Lazy^ | _Dave123_: man screen |
| 15:06.47 | Lazy^ | :) |
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| 15:10.12 | qwd | I like this one http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference |
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| 15:10.45 | Titan8990 | can't wait for saved layouts |
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| 15:19.07 | JordiGH | Aaaahhh! |
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| 15:19.34 | JordiGH | deboostrap used some locale. |
| 15:19.40 | JordiGH | And I bet it messed up the keyboard layout too. |
| 15:19.56 | JordiGH | wat do |
| 15:20.11 | JordiGH | If LANG=C was good enough for Jesus... |
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| 15:21.03 | jelly | was it? |
| 15:21.53 | nsadmin | you'd have to ask him |
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| 15:23.41 | JordiGH | Hm, does chroot inherit LANG? |
| 15:24.40 | wols_ | like any other process? |
| 15:24.41 | bzrk | chroot . and echo $LANG should clear that up |
| 15:25.01 | wols_ | child process inherits parent environment, no? |
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| 15:26.31 | JordiGH | So, my chroot complaining about LANG is just a problem because I'm chrooting, right? |
| 15:26.47 | E-bola | I just installed debian on a new fit-pc2i, but i cant get the hdd to spin down. |
| 15:26.58 | E-bola | if i run hdparm -y /dev/sda it spins down for a few seconds and then startrs up again |
| 15:27.02 | E-bola | any diea how i can debug that? |
| 15:27.05 | E-bola | idea even |
| 15:27.38 | bzrk | E-bola: check what process accesses the hdd and makes it spin up |
| 15:28.02 | bzrk | try powertop or sth like that |
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| 15:29.12 | E-bola | hmm |
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| 15:29.47 | E-bola | hmm interesting |
| 15:30.21 | wols_ | E-bola: try iotop instead |
| 15:30.33 | E-bola | tried iotop |
| 15:30.41 | E-bola | nothing pops up |
| 15:30.45 | E-bola | i have nothing running at all |
| 15:30.50 | E-bola | only cron,atd and dhclient |
| 15:31.05 | E-bola | trying to set noatime |
| 15:31.44 | E-bola | the only processes that uses io are system ones |
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| 15:31.49 | jelly | E-bola: echo 1 >> /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, inspect dmesg/kern.log |
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| 15:32.36 | jelly | E-bola: that bugger generates a lot of noise, so switch it off when you don't need it any more |
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| 15:32.46 | E-bola | mmm jelly should i restart? |
| 15:32.53 | E-bola | [ 54.474154] kjournald(1734): WRITE block 139468040 on sda4 |
| 15:32.53 | E-bola | [ 54.474154] kjournald(1734): WRITE block 139467912 on sda4 |
| 15:32.53 | E-bola | [ 54.474154] kjournald(1734): WRITE block 139466656 on sda4 |
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| 15:33.04 | E-bola | woops :) |
| 15:33.12 | RichiH | and thus, he learned. |
| 15:33.18 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:33.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:33.30 | E-bola | But those kind of entries are the same i reckoned was active from iotop |
| 15:33.36 | RichiH | and thus, he learned more. |
| 15:33.37 | E-bola | Not sure what i can do about it? |
| 15:34.10 | jelly | something is writing on sda4! :-) |
| 15:34.22 | Intensity | Hi. I'm wondering if there is a practical way to keep packages and configuration in sync between a few Debian laptops. I don't know that unison should be used to sync / and /var, and I think in general /var and /etc might behave strangely if synched using unison. |
| 15:34.43 | linduxed_ | hey guys, i want to do something like "rsync server:foo/bar.baz server:foo/some.file ~/somedir/" but i don't want to type the "server:foo/" part multiple times (this was just two files, it will be much more in practice) |
| 15:35.13 | \amethyst | linduxed: use bash's brace expansion |
| 15:35.27 | \amethyst | linduxed: rsync server:foo/{bar.baz,some.file} ~/somedir/ |
| 15:35.38 | \amethyst | linduxed: it expands into what you originally typed |
| 15:35.40 | E-bola | Mmm can see some ubuntu users having the same problerm |
| 15:35.47 | jelly | linduxed: --files-from=FILE read list of source-file names from FILE |
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| 15:35.59 | linduxed | \amethyst: oh so that was how you did it, that was why brackets didn't work |
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| 15:36.32 | linduxed | jelly: actually that is a good idea too |
| 15:36.40 | jelly | {foo,bar} doesn't work in rsyncd.conf |
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| 15:36.58 | jelly | (that is, in exclude/include/filters) |
| 15:37.36 | \amethyst | right, it's a bash thing |
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| 15:42.36 | roby_ | hello, could anyone help me blocking ports on debian? |
| 15:43.01 | docgnome | what package has xlock in it? |
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| 15:43.34 | E-bola | Hmm seems its a problem with ext3 |
| 15:43.40 | E-bola | write to the journal every 5 secs |
| 15:43.52 | \amethyst | docgnome: apt-file search bin/xlock ==> xlockmore: /usr/bin/xlock |
| 15:43.56 | thrashold | docgnome: xlockmore -> apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search xlock |
| 15:43.57 | \amethyst | docgnome: also xlockmore-gl |
| 15:44.07 | docgnome | ah. thanks |
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| 15:44.39 | wols_ | roby_: just don't listen on these ports |
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| 15:45.13 | lindi- | docgnome: debian stable does not have xlockmore |
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| 15:45.27 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
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| 15:46.28 | edwin_quijada | I need to scan my net using antivirus there is any antivurs in linux to scan windows machine? |
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| 15:47.00 | Titan8990 | edwin_quijada: clamav |
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| 15:48.31 | docgnome | lindi-: thanks, but i'm on testing |
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| 15:51.18 | roby_ | but i dont know what application runs on that port |
| 15:51.39 | Titan8990 | roby_: grep '<port>' /etc/services |
| 15:52.16 | wols_ | roby_: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 15:52.27 | roby_ | ty =) |
| 15:52.29 | wols_ | roby_: netstat -anp |grep LIST|grep <port> rather |
| 15:52.33 | roby_ | ive found it:P |
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| 15:53.21 | roby_ | is portmap an inportant procces? |
| 15:53.39 | wols_ | unless you use NFS, no |
| 15:53.47 | wols_ | but are you sure it listens on a public interface? |
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| 15:54.17 | roby_ | not public, but i just wanna block al ports on the local network, my boss gave me the assigment to close al un nessacery ports |
| 15:54.33 | wols_ | so on what interface does it listen? |
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| 15:54.42 | roby_ | *.* |
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| 15:54.57 | roby_ | 0.0.0.0:* |
| 15:55.12 | SerajewelKS | by default it should bind to lo. if it does not then somebody changed that. |
| 15:55.24 | Titan8990 | roby_: "closing" a port basically means not running a service on it. no need for firewalls |
| 15:55.34 | Pupeno | I've wrote a init.d script, when I call it, it works, like /etc/init.d/blah start, but I've set it to automatically start with the machine and seems not to be working. How can I debug this? How can I see what is the script outputting? |
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| 15:55.50 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: or having the service bind to a non-public interface |
| 15:56.37 | roby_ | iam trying to remove the services. i just deleted the pop server because we dont need that, now iam going to remove the NFS applications on the server |
| 15:56.51 | Titan8990 | roby_: who installed that crap to begin with? |
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| 15:57.16 | roby_ | a co worker that is fired |
| 15:58.15 | jelly | heh |
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| 15:58.51 | abrotman | !harden |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>. |
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| 15:59.37 | Pupeno | Is there some way to see the messages printed during startup? |
| 15:59.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pupeno about bootlog |
| 15:59.51 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:00.27 | johnfg | Since I messed up the safe-upgrade, full-upgrade lenny>squeeze, I've burned the 10 April dvd from testing. |
| 16:00.35 | johnfg | Any special caveats about this? |
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| 16:03.11 | unimauro | hi |
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| 16:08.26 | johnfg | Is that normal for the testing dvd to not have a graphical install available? No problem. Just wondered. |
| 16:08.43 | ace__ | Hehe just now I read a article against .doc format :) |
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| 16:15.38 | gigo | i have installed subversion. thanks to aptitude install which makes it so easy. now, I want to make the subversion repos available via http. does aptitude install make this easy as well? |
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| 16:19.02 | SlayerXP | gigo: no, but you can follow the very simple and very easy to follows instructions for doing that, as provided out of the svn documentation. |
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| 16:21.50 | TiTom_ | LES BORDS DE SEINE Restaurants,La Roche Guyon |
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| 16:31.28 | rom1v | hi |
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| 16:31.39 | ham5 | high? |
| 16:31.43 | rom1v | do you know when gnome 2.3 will be in testing? |
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| 16:32.04 | ham5 | some of 2.3 is in unstable.. its running fine for me |
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| 16:32.44 | rom1v | next month in testing? |
| 16:32.53 | ham5 | haha, doubt that |
| 16:33.12 | rom1v | when is the final release of gnome 2.3? |
| 16:33.22 | ham5 | its out |
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| 16:33.29 | valdyn | its 2.30 |
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| 16:33.35 | gigo | SlayerXP: there seems to be a websvn package |
| 16:33.54 | SlayerXP | gigo: which is not what you're asking for |
| 16:34.17 | rom1v | Ah yes, and even final, it is not in testing? |
| 16:34.46 | gigo | SlayerXP: yes, it's a set of PHP scripts. just read it. |
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| 16:39.21 | Breaking_Pitt | what mean this Titan8990 |
| 16:39.23 | Breaking_Pitt | WARNING: Use of XS-Python-Version and XB-Python-Version fields in debian/control is deprecated with pysupport method; use debian/pyversions if you need to specify specific versions. |
| 16:40.09 | rom1v | usually, when a final version of gnome is out, how long does it take to be in testing (I begin using debian) |
| 16:40.11 | rom1v | ? |
| 16:40.18 | rom1v | 1 month? 6 monthes? |
| 16:40.31 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: it looks pretty self-explinatory |
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| 16:40.55 | Breaking_Pitt | if i disable it in the control file i have problems again |
| 16:40.57 | valdyn | judd: versions gnome-terminal |
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| 16:40.58 | judd | gnome-terminal -- etch: 2.14.2-1; lenny: 2.22.3-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-1; sid: 2.30.0-1 |
| 16:40.59 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: your using something deprecated and need to replace with with the current tool, which it even tells you about |
| 16:41.08 | valdyn | !why is gnome-terminal not in testing |
| 16:41.08 | dpkg | gnome-terminal is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-terminal |
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| 16:41.26 | valdyn | "gnome-terminal is only 9 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. " |
| 16:41.43 | Titan8990 | it was in testing a few days ago |
| 16:41.59 | Breaking_Pitt | Titan8990, pyversions is a field in the control file? |
| 16:42.00 | valdyn | Titan8990: this is only about the 2.30 version |
| 16:42.06 | Breaking_Pitt | not is a binary file |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn | but its waiting for vte too, which is only 3 days old, so 7 days or more |
| 16:42.40 | rom1v | so gnome 2.3 will be in testing in some days? in 1 month? in 5 monthes? |
| 16:42.52 | valdyn | rom1v: no, it will be in testing when its ready |
| 16:42.56 | ham5 | ask the maintaner rom1v |
| 16:43.07 | ham5 | compile it yourself |
| 16:43.16 | Mac101 | hi, has a recent kernel update caused things to load in a different order? my encrypted setup suddenly no longer identifies my first drive as /dev/sda :s ? |
| 16:43.18 | rom1v | ok, but usually? it is not ready when it is out? |
| 16:43.25 | valdyn | rom1v: read what dpkg said |
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| 16:43.47 | valdyn | rom1v: this is debian policy and its pretty automatic, theres no "usual" or estimate |
| 16:43.59 | thrashold | Is there a way to find why a package is not in unstable yet? Like the one for testing? |
| 16:44.04 | silidan | hey, what packages do affect wlan authentication? |
| 16:44.18 | rom1v | ham5 : I'm not complaining that it is not in testing, I just want to understand better which one between testing and unstable I want to use :) |
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| 16:45.02 | krisfremen | hey there, it's there a way to transfer sound from a windows pc to a linux pc? |
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| 16:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: Transfer? |
| 16:45.30 | silidan | dmesg spits out something like this: wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:04:0e:74:1a:a2 by local choice (reason=3) what does that mean or where can i find out what it means? |
| 16:45.42 | ham5 | you dont understand .. gnome is out its stable youd just have to compile it yourself or wait for the maintainer todo it so you can just install from your package manager |
| 16:45.56 | krisfremen | yeah, like through the network, without using audio cables |
| 16:45.59 | thrashold | krisfremen: PulseAudio will probably let you do this if you configure it right. |
| 16:46.07 | krisfremen | from windows to linux? |
| 16:46.22 | thrashold | krisfremen: Yes |
| 16:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: You would need something on the Windows end that would stream the audio. |
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| 16:47.02 | silidan | krisfremen: i think vlc can stream alot of stuff... |
| 16:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: I think microsoft offers some limited tools to do so but that's beyond the scope of this channel. |
| 16:47.09 | krisfremen | i know about streaming stuff, i need something to get the packets from one pc to another |
| 16:47.18 | krisfremen | not stream them |
| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: Then you don't know about streaming. |
| 16:47.39 | krisfremen | i mean as in icecast and shoutcast streamers |
| 16:47.41 | krisfremen | i don't want that |
| 16:47.43 | rom1v | ham5 : I don't want absolutely gnome 2.3, I just wanted to know how much time it takes for a final gnome release to be in testing (I know, when it's readyâ¦) |
| 16:48.12 | silidan | krisfremen: what do you want? (more details pls) |
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| 16:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | rom1v: It's not based on an arbitrary time value, it's based on what work actually gets done. |
| 16:48.32 | wiretapped | it puts the packets on the network |
| 16:48.48 | krisfremen | s/packets/sound/ |
| 16:48.50 | krisfremen | oops |
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| 16:49.15 | krisfremen | in other words, i don't want it to be transcoded in any way |
| 16:49.17 | rom1v | ubuntu is based on debian testing, no? or debian unstable? |
| 16:49.37 | wiretapped | krisfremen: pulseaudio maybe? |
| 16:49.55 | krisfremen | i'm looking into that right now |
| 16:50.03 | silidan | krisfremen: i am no native english speaker... if you could explain what you want in entirea nd logical sentences that would help me understand you... |
| 16:50.29 | thrashold | krisfremen: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#IsthereaWin32WindowsdriverthatactlikeaPulseAudioclient |
| 16:51.03 | SerajewelKS | krisfremen: if you don't want transcoding then you are going to need a relatively high-bandwidth and low-latency network. wireless-g doesn't count, for example. |
| 16:51.41 | krisfremen | SerajewelKS: i'm wired on a gigabit network, won't be a problem |
| 16:51.47 | wiretapped | is sure he's streamed with pulseaudio on 802.11g |
| 16:51.51 | SerajewelKS | krisfremen: ok just checking |
| 16:52.16 | SerajewelKS | wiretapped: i have too. the results were not terribly usable. (interference etc kept it from going for more than a minute or so without breaks) |
| 16:52.28 | thrashold | You can stream FLAC over IceCast IIRC |
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| 16:52.56 | wiretapped | i was on a network with other users and listened to music for hours |
| 16:53.29 | wiretapped | i dont doubt it could be a problem sometimes |
| 16:53.36 | wiretapped | but it can also work |
| 16:53.56 | krisfremen | yup, pulseaudio seems like what i need |
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| 16:54.58 | SerajewelKS | wiretapped: it's also entirely possible that my AP was shit |
| 16:55.11 | SerajewelKS | wiretapped: but i've had the best luck streaming over a switch |
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| 16:55.58 | PrestonConnors | Hello, during the Debian install process only using disk 1, how do you install openssh-server? |
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| 16:56.37 | PrestonConnors | (I am only selecting the Standard System as the package group I am installing) |
| 16:56.44 | zleap | PrestonConnors, apt-get install openssh server i guess |
| 16:56.49 | zleap | or whatever the package name is |
| 16:56.56 | PrestonConnors | zleap: During the install process? |
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| 16:57.02 | zleap | ok not sure |
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| 16:57.38 | qwd | zleap: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 16:57.53 | zleap | qwd, good point, i keep forgetting about aptitude, |
| 16:57.53 | edwin_quijada | there is any app to monitor any conection to anywhere from my server |
| 16:58.07 | zleap | would netstat do that ? |
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| 16:58.15 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: netstat -tnp |
| 16:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if he's aware that was not a question |
| 16:58.32 | edwin_quijada | zleap: I think so but I wanna log for this |
| 16:58.44 | zleap | hmm |
| 16:59.01 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: iptables can log new connections to the kernel log. also, most services have some sort of logging mechanism. |
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| 16:59.02 | edwin_quijada | my sysadm says that my server tried to connect to any external IP |
| 16:59.03 | PrestonConnors | Is there a way to add additional packages such as openssh-server to the install process during a Debian install? |
| 16:59.27 | edwin_quijada | and it is so strange |
| 16:59.43 | edwin_quijada | I wanna know what app did that |
| 16:59.47 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -m state --state NEW -j LOG --log-prefix 'New connection: ' |
| 16:59.57 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: then look in dmesg periodically |
| 16:59.59 | wols_ | PrestonConnors: /msg dpkg custom cd /msg dpkg faik, etc |
| 17:00.10 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | silidan | help concerning wlan: what does that mean? " wlan0: deauthenticated from 00:04:0e:74:1a:a2 (Reason: 1)" ?? |
| 17:00.26 | PrestonConnors | wols_: Is it normal for Debian not to include openssh-server during the installation process? |
| 17:00.28 | edwin_quijada | SerajewelKS: I checked dmesg but i dont see anything |
| 17:00.44 | PrestonConnors | (when I select Standards System from tasksel) |
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| 17:00.45 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: you won't until a new outbound connection is attempted |
| 17:00.51 | silidan | !wlan |
| 17:00.52 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:01.05 | silidan | !wpa |
| 17:01.06 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 17:01.15 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: try sshing or telnetting or wgetting something |
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| 17:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | PrestonConnors: I believe standard system includes the client but not the server. |
| 17:01.24 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: then look in dmesg again, you should see a few lines |
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| 17:01.47 | PrestonConnors | jhutchins_lt: Do you know what package selection group does include the server? |
| 17:01.48 | edwin_quijada | if I did this command with iptables I see when I try to do again |
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| 17:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | PrestonConnors: I would expect "server" configurations to include it. |
| 17:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | PrestonConnors: There are ways to pre-select packages or to select individual packages during install. |
| 17:02.20 | adb | !tell PrestonConnors -about ssh install |
| 17:03.03 | PrestonConnors | jhutchins_lt: Yes, that is what I'm looking for. How do I preselct packages from the installer? |
| 17:03.34 | PrestonConnors | I just want to select openssh-server during the install process without necessarily installing the "web server" or "file server" etc package groups |
| 17:03.42 | Titan8990 | !tell PrestonConnors about preseed |
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| 17:04.39 | PrestonConnors | Titan8990: I don't want to automate my install; I just want to be able to select openssh-server as a package I'd like to install. Isn't there something simpler? :( |
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| 17:05.37 | liable | you can |
| 17:05.52 | Imran-UK | has anyone used apcupsd with a debian etch system such that it acts as a "master" that will shutdown other servers on the lan including itself on a low-charge condition? |
| 17:05.53 | liable | anna-install openssh-server |
| 17:05.57 | liable | in vt2 |
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| 17:06.02 | liable | should work |
| 17:06.04 | liable | iirc |
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| 17:06.17 | PrestonConnors | liable: Thank you, I will try that. |
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| 17:06.19 | Imran-UK | or any debian, will what i've said work |
| 17:06.26 | PrestonConnors | liable: Is there any specific part I should do that in? |
| 17:06.28 | azeem_ | liable: isn't that *for* the installer |
| 17:06.35 | azeem_ | not for installing to the target system |
| 17:06.38 | PrestonConnors | Any specific step in the install process. |
| 17:06.49 | liable | azeem_: it should cue it |
| 17:06.55 | azeem_ | ok |
| 17:07.04 | azeem_ | I thought anna only installed udebs |
| 17:07.13 | liable | i may be wrong |
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| 17:07.27 | liable | i'm a bit out of touch |
| 17:07.50 | azeem_ | maybe there's a difference between anna openssh-server and anna-install openssh-server |
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| 17:08.26 | edwin_quijada | SerajewelKS: U know what app did the conection? |
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| 17:08.46 | silidan | !wlan |
| 17:08.46 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:08.55 | silidan | !wpa |
| 17:08.55 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 17:09.10 | themill | silidan: feel free to "/msg dpkg wpa", etc |
| 17:09.11 | PrestonConnors | That is very peculiar that Debian does not allow you to modify the individual packages being installed during an interactive text based installation. |
| 17:09.51 | Titan8990 | is there a distro that does? IIRC fedora/rhel only allow it in graphical mode |
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| 17:10.36 | KB1JWQ | That's what kickstart is for, or the Debian equivalent. |
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| 17:10.45 | geezer | howdy |
| 17:11.09 | azeem_ | PrestonConnors: I'm sure it does for expert install |
| 17:11.12 | Titan8990 | KB1JWQ: preseeding, which was rejected as suggestion. kickstart also works in debian though (just not all features from what I understand) |
| 17:11.20 | KB1JWQ | On a semi-related note, is there a way to tell aptitude or apt-get to skip the configuration dialogs for packages such as postfix? I want to just install the package, I'll blast out the configuration with a script later. :-) |
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| 17:11.49 | azeem_ | KB1JWQ: set the debconf frontend to noninteractive |
| 17:11.51 | azeem_ | !fai |
| 17:11.51 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:11.55 | azeem_ | re kickstart |
| 17:11.59 | Mac101 | hey did the latest kernel update change the order it loads stuff, all my /dev/sd* designations have changed :/ ? |
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| 17:12.30 | Mac101 | kinda a big headache on an encrypted setup |
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| 17:12.57 | laurus | How do I add a printer in CUPS? It doesn't seem to have detected mine. |
| 17:13.32 | laurus | When I try to add it it says "Error: forbidden." |
| 17:13.53 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: i don't think iptables logs that info |
| 17:14.11 | Titan8990 | laurus: via the web interface? |
| 17:14.17 | laurus | Titan8990, yes. |
| 17:14.20 | KB1JWQ | azeem_: Thanks. :-) |
| 17:14.33 | Titan8990 | laurus: logged in as root? |
| 17:14.45 | laurus | Titan8990, oh, that's probably the issue; how do I access the web interface as root? :P |
| 17:14.51 | SerajewelKS | edwin_quijada: can you use tcpdump or wireshark to sniff the connections and maybe that way you can deduce what process is connecting? |
| 17:14.52 | laurus | Maybe I'd better do it through the command line? |
| 17:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, why is /etc/bash.bashrc not executed for all users it IS sourced from /etc/profile |
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| 17:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I su'd into the account, so ... |
| 17:16.12 | Titan8990 | laurus: it should prompt you to authenticate whenever you move to a page that requires administrative privs. I recall seeing a bug in admin.cgi for squeeze. which version of debian are you running? |
| 17:16.23 | laurus | Titan8990, squeeze ;) |
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| 17:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you should know about the bts |
| 17:16.39 | Titan8990 | laurus: have a look at the BTS, could be a bug. There is always lpadmin :) |
| 17:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite laurus |
| 17:16.43 | dpkg | beats laurus around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if laurus is running testing or unstable |
| 17:16.44 | azeem_ | laurus: do you run gnome? |
| 17:16.52 | laurus | azeem_, no, XFCE. |
| 17:17.15 | azeem_ | you could maybe still try system-config-printer, it works pretty well IME |
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| 17:18.20 | laurus | Found a better way: sudo iceweasel ;) |
| 17:18.27 | pallgone | if I want to put the full installer of squeeze onto a bootable usb, how would I do that? |
| 17:18.45 | laurus | Oh, whoops, that's not even the problem... |
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| 17:19.01 | laurus | The problem was that I had tried to login to the web interface as my own username rather than root, and when that failed, it never asked me again. |
| 17:19.23 | PrestonConnors | If /etc/apt/sources.list is deleted is there a way to re-create it with the Debian defaults? |
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| 17:20.46 | geezer | howdy |
| 17:21.09 | aguitel | how install driver for: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] |
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| 17:22.57 | abrotman | aguitel: lenny? squeeze? sid? |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | !tell pallgone about usb install |
| 17:23.09 | aguitel | abrotman, squeeze |
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| 17:23.17 | abrotman | aguitel: did you try radeon/radeonhd |
| 17:23.18 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:25.13 | aguitel | abrotman, wait |
| 17:25.19 | abrotman | wait ... |
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| 17:26.04 | OldParr | how do i set software updating to totally automatic http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9799/pantallazo2a.png |
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| 17:26.54 | abrotman | OldParr: you really don't want to |
| 17:27.00 | OldParr | why? |
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| 17:27.08 | pallgone | abrotman: I'll give it a shot, thanks |
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| 17:27.20 | abrotman | OldParr: because you should be explicitly doing updates .. |
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| 17:27.41 | OldParr | will it lead to trouble if you set it to completely automatic? |
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| 17:27.54 | a7x | hello, i got a problem with cowbuilder (and then debootstrap) |
| 17:27.56 | abrotman | OldParr: you can .. but it's up to you .. see the cron-apt package |
| 17:28.01 | a7x | http://paste.debian.net/68716/ |
| 17:28.22 | keith4 | is there an equivalent of 'apt-cache policy' for looking at available source, instead of binaries? |
| 17:28.35 | abrotman | a7x: webmin isn't part of debian |
| 17:28.37 | Titan8990 | a7x: download.webmin.com? |
| 17:28.45 | a7x | i don't need webmin abrotman |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | a7x: it's in your sources ... |
| 17:28.59 | a7x | not with cowbuilder |
| 17:29.09 | a7x | btw i removed it from sources.list |
| 17:29.13 | a7x | did apt-get update |
| 17:29.15 | a7x | but it's the same |
| 17:29.23 | abrotman | aptitude update ? |
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| 17:29.35 | abrotman | a7x: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:30.02 | a7x | sources.list http://paste.debian.net/68721/ |
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| 17:30.32 | abrotman | try an aptitude update |
| 17:30.38 | a7x | done, it's the same |
| 17:30.49 | a7x | E: Failed getting release file http://download.webmin.com/download/repository/dists/sid/Release |
| 17:31.17 | Titan8990 | a7x: sources.list.d/* |
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| 17:31.27 | OldParr | does cron-apt has a gui? |
| 17:31.29 | a7x | Titan8990 should be clear |
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| 17:31.41 | silidan | !MTA |
| 17:31.41 | dpkg | [mta] Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 17:31.46 | abrotman | silidan: msg the bot |
| 17:32.03 | abrotman | a7x: he's asking you if there are any files in that directory .. /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 17:32.08 | silidan | abrotman: what? |
| 17:32.09 | a7x | ($:~)- ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -> is clear |
| 17:32.17 | Titan8990 | !tell silidan about msg the bot |
| 17:32.20 | abrotman | silidan: /msg dpkg MTA |
| 17:32.28 | silidan | o ok |
| 17:32.30 | silidan | thanks |
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| 17:33.06 | a7x | no files in sources.list.d :) |
| 17:33.19 | Da_Wrecka | Sigh. I go to all the effort of hooking up a CD drive to my netbook in hopes of being able to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it... And the bugger won't boot from the drive at all. |
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| 17:34.23 | pallgone | Da_Wrecka: this is #debian |
| 17:34.37 | Da_Wrecka | true, I was just making a comment. |
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| 17:34.46 | ham5 | yea sounds like a really BIG effort |
| 17:35.02 | Titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: some of us don't like seeing the "U" word |
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| 17:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop it, kids |
| 17:35.44 | Da_Wrecka | Perhaps, but it WAS someone in here who told me about UNR in the first place |
| 17:35.48 | Titan8990 | hides from CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 17:35.54 | Da_Wrecka | They weren't specifically talking to me, but it's still here I learned it existed |
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| 17:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit, other users really don't execute /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 17:36.43 | aguitel | abrotman, can i try this driver ?:http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.25&lang=English |
| 17:36.45 | Titan8990 | would probably try moblin if he were looking for non-debian distros specific to a netbook |
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| 17:37.39 | Titan8990 | aguitel: that would not be supported here if you did |
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| 17:38.07 | aguitel | Titan8990, i know |
| 17:38.14 | wols_ | Titan8990: jolicloud? moblin is "dead" anyways |
| 17:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc and it works for me |
| 17:39.07 | Titan8990 | wols_: latest stable release says November 4, 2009. must have died rather quickly |
| 17:39.07 | smhar | I have a notebook with squeeze installed as the main system. I also have a test partition for other distros. now that one is installed it is added to grub menu. how can I 'undo' that? is it as simple as formatting that partition? |
| 17:39.09 | wols_ | yes. since feb 2010. it merged with maemo and migrated to linux foundation |
| 17:39.29 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: there a bug going with that from squeeze onward. some type of issue of $PATH not being set by /etc/profile |
| 17:39.42 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: should be in the BTS under base-files |
| 17:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, still on lenny |
| 17:40.15 | ham5 | just remove it from the grub cfg file smhar |
| 17:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but by default these should be executed for all? |
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| 17:41.14 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: I would think so... any login session atleast |
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| 17:41.26 | ham5 | format the partition youll lose the test distro and it will still remain in the list and wont boot :) |
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| 17:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | bashs manpage says so |
| 17:41.54 | a7x | abrotman thank you, fixed... |
| 17:42.06 | a7x | /etc/pbuilderrc was the prob |
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| 17:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/profile is read when bash is a login-shell, then this sources /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 17:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not a login shell, it directly goes to read /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 17:43.23 | abrotman | aguitel: no idea, i don't own ati cards .. i asked if you had tried the radeon or radeonhd driver |
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| 17:43.47 | aguitel | abrotman, no |
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| 17:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, you mean bug 571083? |
| 17:46.17 | cheusov | Can anybody please review and upload two new packages for Debian described in #519443 and #575717. I'm author of these programs and have prepared Debian packages. But I'm neither DM nor DD. I'd like to maintain my own software in Debian, but if anyDD/DM want to maintain them, this whould be ideal. |
| 17:46.24 | aguitel | abrotman, i am in squeeze and i make fresh install ,no propietaries drivers i am using ,compiz is working fine ,but googleearth in to slow |
| 17:46.51 | abrotman | !tell cheusov about mentors |
| 17:47.29 | pallgone | abrotman: nice... didn't know the mbr package > install-mbr |
| 17:47.52 | pallgone | abrotman: so usb not booting is mostly because of bad mbr I assume |
| 17:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, so what's /usr/share/base-files/profile? |
| 17:48.53 | aguitel | abrotman, how to know the driver in use ? |
| 17:49.13 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think that was it. It includes one of the errors that was caused by it. just a sec, I will look through my logs |
| 17:49.28 | emerica | !tell emerica about mentors |
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| 17:50.13 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:50.38 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that must have been it because I am not seeing anything else |
| 17:50.41 | DexterF | is swap on an lvm volume a good||bad idea? |
| 17:51.06 | Titan8990 | DexterF: nothing wrong with it |
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| 17:52.04 | DexterF | Titan8990: never figured how lvm internally organizes the volumes, especially if you remove and add ones with different sizes, just don't want swap to fragment |
| 17:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing particularly good about it either? |
| 17:52.37 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it is actually marked as resolved now |
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| 17:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | because they added something to the README.Debian |
| 17:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that's not interesting as such |
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| 17:54.37 | Titan8990 | DexterF: I am really not sure. I have never worried about how its handled internally |
| 17:55.08 | valdyn | DexterF: doesnt matter if its on lvm or wherever |
| 17:55.19 | Titan8990 | DexterF: or even if fragmentation would cause an issue |
| 17:55.28 | a7x | debootstrap is bugged, it's a known bug or what? |
| 17:55.37 | DexterF | ok then |
| 17:55.42 | a7x | while cdebootstrap works |
| 17:55.43 | wols_ | all known bugs are listed in the BTS |
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| 17:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 17:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- dork |
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| 17:57.44 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: whats new... i mean why is that? :p |
| 17:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, haha.. .it *was* in the path, the other user just didn't have permissions to see the programs in that directory |
| 17:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | "barking up the wrong tree" |
| 17:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong forest |
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| 18:00.42 | adb | a7x, debootstrap sid sid : I: Base system installed successfully , here |
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| 18:01.19 | a7x | adb uhm |
| 18:01.23 | a7x | i'm on lenny |
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| 18:01.31 | adb | a7x, me too |
| 18:01.47 | a7x | http://pastebin.com/7L3YbAzS |
| 18:02.14 | a7x | the problem is not with pbuilder i tried manually with debootstrap, i chrooted into the /testchr and i got I have no name@hostname# |
| 18:02.25 | a7x | No user with id 0, something similar |
| 18:03.32 | adb | a7x, got 'no name' bc hostname is empty |
| 18:03.54 | adb | and that not a problems |
| 18:04.03 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.30 | a7x | well what about the mount -t proc? |
| 18:04.35 | a7x | debootstrap failed |
| 18:05.06 | adb | a7x, debootstrap needs some hands configuration |
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| 18:05.28 | a7x | well i always mounted proc manuallt adam8157 |
| 18:05.29 | a7x | adb* |
| 18:05.39 | a7x | s/llt/lly/ |
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| 18:09.23 | wols_ | a7x: there is no error message in your paste for starters |
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| 18:09.58 | a7x | uhm btw with cdebootstrap works then it's not a big prob for me |
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| 18:21.25 | rom1v | hi again, |
| 18:22.14 | rom1v | in ubuntu, when I execute a command where the packet is not installed, it says "myprogram" is not installed, you can install "myprogrampacket"⦠|
| 18:22.20 | rom1v | how to have this behaviour in debian? |
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| 18:22.48 | valdyn | command-not-found - Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions |
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| 18:23.50 | rom1v | thank you |
| 18:24.17 | rom1v | where can I find what is the current version of a program in [ stable , testing, unstable, experimental ] ? |
| 18:24.26 | keith4 | packages.debian.org |
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| 18:25.34 | rom1v | great |
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| 18:26.37 | shriven | Hello. Is there a simple way to make a .deb if all I want it to do is install plain flat files to the filesystem? |
| 18:27.20 | drawks | shriven checkout debhelper |
| 18:27.21 | et | shriven: see dpkg man page, -b |
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| 18:28.35 | gigo | what is a flat file? |
| 18:28.49 | shriven | thanks guys |
| 18:29.07 | shriven | gigo: I mean simply, plain text type files... not installing databases or running scripts, etc. |
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| 18:29.41 | gigo | ok |
| 18:30.10 | dkr | shriven: a script still has to run to put the files where you want them |
| 18:30.17 | dkr | regardless of what type of files they are |
| 18:30.47 | shriven | right, that is a function of the package manager though, all I mean is I don't need to run additional scripts to do things |
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| 18:31.19 | dkr | ah, yeah, post install scripts and the like are optional |
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| 18:39.51 | WormFood | what in the hell is the deal with firefox/iceweasel not working? I go to a page, and sometimes it loads or 1/2 loads, and the screen is just frozen...I reload the page and it work...maybe...sometimes I have to reload the page 2-3 times |
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| 18:40.07 | WormFood | is that because I have too many windows open? |
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| 18:40.59 | JordiGH | WormFood: Sounds weird. Too many windows open shouldn't matter. |
| 18:41.12 | WormFood | yeah, I know it shouldn't but it seems to be related |
| 18:41.12 | abrotman | WormFood: are you proxied? |
| 18:41.17 | WormFood | no |
| 18:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: It's certainly not a problem with iceweasel - works fine for thousands of people. Could be a networking problem. |
| 18:41.28 | WormFood | it is not a network problem |
| 18:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Oh, well, if you know what it is you don't need my help. |
| 18:41.52 | abrotman | WormFood: i had a similar issue, turned out that if i installed noscript, the pages would load fine .. cnn.com was a good example |
| 18:42.02 | WormFood | I use noscript |
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| 18:42.14 | WormFood | flash is a problem...many times flash crashes the browser |
| 18:42.21 | WormFood | noscript is great |
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| 18:42.54 | Arrowmaster | ive got the same issue with it freezing during the rendering sometimes, its when i have a lot of tabs open, and i mean a LOT |
| 18:42.54 | WormFood | jhutchins, I didn't say I know what the problem is, but I do know it isn't a netowrk issue |
| 18:43.10 | WormFood | ok Arrowmaster, your symptoms match mine |
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| 18:43.35 | keith4 | yah, happens to me too. usually with > 50 tabs open |
| 18:43.40 | WormFood | I don't know how many is "a LOT" to you, but I maybe have 30-40 tabs open |
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| 18:43.59 | keith4 | i just upgraded to 3.5.8 (from 3.0.6), and it seems much better |
| 18:44.01 | WormFood | jhutchins, so it works fine for thousands of people, eh? :P |
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| 18:44.29 | keith4 | WormFood: seems to be related to how long it's been open, too. which says "memory leaks" to me. |
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| 18:44.33 | WormFood | I'm also using 3.5.8 |
| 18:44.45 | keith4 | especially with Flash content, of course |
| 18:44.48 | karlpinc | If I was administering a pile of desktops and wanted to enforce polices as to whats installed, and perhaps more importantly, what's not, what tool would I use? I've tried a quick look at the puppet docs and can't tell if there are facilities for policing what's installed that should not be. |
| 18:45.03 | vaq2 | Is there a way to only allow certain IP addresses access to a port on a server without using iptables to create a firewall with? |
| 18:45.07 | WormFood | I just had it crash on me recently...and of course I restore my tabs....and still having the freezing problem with no delays |
| 18:45.29 | karlpinc | WormFood: I've had problems like that when I've had iceweasel running and updated components (xul, etc) that it uses. Sometimes the problems take days to show up. |
| 18:45.40 | WormFood | vaq2, it is probably easier to allow access via whatever service you're using on that port, if you don't want to use iptables |
| 18:45.54 | vaq2 | WormFood: I didn't wrote the program |
| 18:45.55 | karlpinc | WormFood: The solution is restarting the program so it all works together. |
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| 18:46.07 | kurkale6ka | How can I get my ip address? Is there a command for this? |
| 18:46.15 | vaq2 | WormFood: can't hosts.deny/hosts.allow be customized to a port instead for 2sshd:" |
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| 18:46.18 | WormFood | kurkale6ka, ipconfig |
| 18:46.31 | karlpinc | kurkale6ka: ifconfig |
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| 18:46.50 | WormFood | kurkale6ka, of course, I could give you the smartass answer, and say your IP is 127.0.0.1 :P |
| 18:47.13 | kurkale6ka | thanks guys |
| 18:47.22 | WormFood | sorry, typo... karlpinc is right |
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| 18:47.42 | karlpinc | kurkale6ka: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:47.46 | WormFood | and if you're a user, just type /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 18:48.31 | karlpinc | kurkale6ka: (Although the interfaces file won't help with dhcp assigned addresses.) |
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| 18:49.48 | abrotman | he could just use 'ip' which is already in his path |
| 18:49.54 | WormFood | ok guys, thanks for your ff/iw answers....at least I know I'm not alone, and your symptoms match mine |
| 18:50.47 | WormFood | how do you use ip to display that info abrotman? |
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| 18:51.23 | abrotman | ip addr ? |
| 18:51.30 | abrotman | it's not that hard |
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| 18:51.50 | WormFood | oh...I see "addr" now |
| 18:51.56 | WormFood | I overlooked it |
| 18:52.04 | karlpinc | is too old and needs to get ip into his brain |
| 18:52.10 | wols_ | karlpinc: dito |
| 18:52.21 | abrotman | yeah .. supposedly ifconfig was 'deprecated' in sarge or something :) |
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| 18:52.24 | WormFood | I wasn't even aware of the "ip" command |
| 18:52.37 | action09 | hi |
| 18:52.42 | wols_ | abrotman: as nslookup was in slink or so? |
| 18:52.45 | slk | when i plug my areca controller, it gets to be sda and my system disk sdb, how do i fix it so that kernel see my system disk as sda? and this happens before udevd kicks in |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | wols_: something like that ... |
| 18:54.03 | WormFood | but I do find ifconfig easier to read, at a glance, compared to "ip addr" |
| 18:54.33 | WormFood | maybe that is just experience |
| 18:54.36 | karlpinc | slk: The better approach is not to care and use uuids or filesystem labels instead. |
| 18:55.01 | Titan8990 | WormFood: cisco admins would feel more at home with `ip` |
| 18:55.14 | slk | filesystem labels |
| 18:55.17 | WormFood | ok...I'm gonna make like a tree, and leave (and go to bed)...see ya'll l8r åè§ |
| 18:55.23 | slk | but grub menu.lst cares |
| 18:55.31 | jhutchins | slk: As karlpinc suggested this is the reason to use UUIDs on a system. Fighting it out with udev is pretty futile. |
| 18:55.47 | WormFood | Titan8990, I'll take your word on that, being as I'm not a cisco admin (I won't count my cisco wrt-54G routers) |
| 18:55.53 | slk | i managed to name them as i want them with udev rules |
| 18:56.02 | slk | but grub doesnt see that |
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| 18:56.21 | Titan8990 | WormFood: s/cisco/linksys |
| 18:56.22 | Zmanu | hello |
| 18:56.30 | Zmanu | i'm looking for a installation documentation on how to install icescrum under debian, is someone can help or have an url to read different than official installation doc |
| 18:56.33 | slk | i can use device uuids in grub? |
| 18:56.35 | WormFood | Titan8990, cisco owns linksys now |
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| 18:56.49 | Titan8990 | WormFood: yes, but linksys equipment does not run the cisco IOS |
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| 18:57.01 | WormFood | right...which is why I won't count that :P |
| 18:57.02 | karlpinc | slk: grub is not the kernel. Grub 1 uses "mappings" (see "info grub"). I don't know about grub 2. |
| 18:57.17 | Titan8990 | WormFood: which is why I don't even count it as cisco :p |
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| 18:59.04 | slk | if i unplug controller, grub wants /dev/sda in menu.lst to boot |
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| 18:59.20 | slk | if i plug the controller, grub wants /dev/sdb instead |
| 18:59.42 | wols_ | slk: change your BIOS settings |
| 19:00.04 | slk | how do you mean |
| 19:00.16 | rom1v | I cannot execute directly ifconfig, I have to write /sbin/ifconfig, because by default /sbin is not in my PATH, due to lack of administrative privilege. I could change my PATH, but is there a better way to enable it (adding some administrative privileges)? |
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| 19:00.22 | wols_ | I mean, go into your BIOS and change order there. it'S not a linux issue |
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| 19:00.35 | JordiGH | Is there a shell interpreter for DOS files? |
| 19:00.43 | JordiGH | Or should I use wine, or what? |
| 19:00.47 | wols_ | rom1v: no the proper way if you nust is to change your $PATH |
| 19:00.54 | wols_ | JordiGH: dosbox |
| 19:00.54 | thySEus | jordiGH: not really a interpreter, but try dosbox |
| 19:00.58 | wols_ | JordiGH: with freedos |
| 19:00.58 | rom1v | ok |
| 19:01.16 | JordiGH | Ah, good idea. |
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| 19:02.12 | slk | there is no option in bios about precedence.. cos bios dont see the controlleer |
| 19:02.46 | kurkale6ka | I am not sure ifconfig gives me the ip of my router... how can I get it? |
| 19:02.51 | slk | but i'll see what i will find.. thanks wols, karlpinc, jhutchins |
| 19:02.53 | rom1v | where PATH is initialized (for system-wide configuration, not .bashrc) ? |
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| 19:03.16 | wols_ | kurkale6ka: route print |
| 19:03.26 | wols_ | oops. "route" only |
| 19:03.27 | kurkale6ka | wols_: thx |
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| 19:04.04 | wols_ | slk: if you mean the kernel, you need to switch to UUID /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 19:04.51 | LordV | I just cloned a box by duping its hard drive. I've changed the hostname, and installed a kerberos key... but no matter what I do, gss auth fails with "Key table entry not found". Any suggestions? |
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| 19:06.28 | Bop | blkid binary is in what package ? |
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| 19:07.01 | valdyn | !tell Bop -about search |
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| 19:07.44 | Bop | valdyn, i did , only found a lib |
| 19:07.49 | Bop | no binary |
| 19:08.11 | valdyn | Bop: try again |
| 19:08.39 | Bop | oO |
| 19:08.39 | rom1v | if I use root, it has /usr/sbin in $PATH, where is it configured ? |
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| 19:08.58 | Titan8990 | rom1v: either /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 19:09.14 | valdyn | Bop: we dont know this stuff either, we use what dpkg suggested to you, and i can clearly see I found blkid |
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| 19:10.04 | Bop | valdyn, ops , root only xD |
| 19:10.12 | rom1v | ah yes, thank you, profile give in a comment : /etc/login.defs |
| 19:10.16 | rom1v | I can modify this one :) |
| 19:10.27 | wols_ | rom1v: don't |
| 19:10.45 | rom1v | why? |
| 19:10.51 | valdyn | rom1v: naturally this is configured at roots $HOME |
| 19:10.56 | karlpinc | !tell LordV about aptitude clone |
| 19:10.56 | rom1v | I would like to add /sbin for normal user |
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| 19:11.18 | SerajewelKS | rom1v: the stuff in /sbin is for privileged users, not normal users |
| 19:11.24 | valdyn | rom1v: theres no single place for normal user, unfortunately |
| 19:11.33 | rom1v | I don't need to be root for ifconfig |
| 19:11.41 | rom1v | and I can execute /sbin/ifconfig anyway |
| 19:11.54 | wols_ | rom1v: grep PATH ~/.* |
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| 19:12.11 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 19:12.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
| 19:12.13 | SerajewelKS | rom1v: it's a configuration tool; it's for root. the fact that it allows unprivileged read-only access is beside the point. |
| 19:12.22 | SerajewelKS | rom1v: edit your own PATH and leave the others alone |
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| 19:12.46 | valdyn | rom1v: theres not even a single place to fix it for yourself really |
| 19:12.59 | valdyn | rom1v: or unfortunately, read what dpkg linked |
| 19:13.13 | SerajewelKS | rom1v: or alias it, or something. but throwing everything in /sbin into the PATH for all users will create more hassle, because there are plenty of commands you can't execute as a normal user that will all of a sudden be in tab-completion etc. |
| 19:13.20 | LordV | karlpinc: thanks, but I need help w/ kerberos. :) |
| 19:14.01 | rom1v | ok, I will let the default⦠but I used to use ubuntu, and it was in PATH (maybe I should loose this habit) |
| 19:14.13 | karlpinc | LordV: You could try purging and re-installing. (I don't know anything about kerberos) |
| 19:14.27 | valdyn | rom1v: maybe you actually used "sudo ifconfig" on ubuntu |
| 19:14.33 | rom1v | no, ifconfig |
| 19:14.48 | rom1v | as in debian, is it executable for all |
| 19:14.55 | rom1v | (but in debian /sbin is not in PATH) |
| 19:15.22 | SerajewelKS | rom1v: as it should not be |
| 19:15.43 | rom1v | ok ;-) |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | rom1v: just because ubuntu does it, doesn't it make it correct |
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| 19:16.25 | SerajewelKS | ubuntu likes to make things easier for the casual user, while confusing the fuck out of people who actually know linux and expect a sane configuration |
| 19:16.46 | SerajewelKS | that's my take on it anyway |
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| 19:18.36 | zleap | SerajewelKS, thats a bit like windows, when you come from a linux environment you go looking for text config files and find the rather compex registry |
| 19:18.39 | jelly-hme | making things work on a deadline brings the ugly out |
| 19:18.41 | JyZyXEL | what do you run to apply the modifications you make in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:19.07 | jelly-hme | still, they do churn out those releases on the fucking clock |
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| 19:19.21 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Depends. You could run if-up on a new interface. |
| 19:19.31 | SerajewelKS | zleap: i'm moderately ok with the registry, when it is used appropriately. which it frequently is not. |
| 19:19.35 | JyZyXEL | you mean ifup? |
| 19:19.46 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Yup. Sorry. |
| 19:20.04 | JyZyXEL | ifup eth0:1 |
| 19:20.06 | JyZyXEL | SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy - you may need to down the interface |
| 19:20.21 | SerajewelKS | so ifdown eth0:1 first |
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| 19:20.30 | JyZyXEL | ifdown: interface eth0:1 not configured |
| 19:20.37 | SerajewelKS | awesome |
| 19:20.58 | SerajewelKS | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig output |
| 19:21.31 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Try --verbose also |
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| 19:23.18 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/RRG3F6XL |
| 19:23.21 | JyZyXEL | thats my interfaces |
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| 19:24.29 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/UvZcUXJf |
| 19:24.32 | JyZyXEL | and thats ifconfig |
| 19:25.06 | JordiGH | Can lenny's linux use ext4? |
| 19:26.03 | rudi_s | JordiGH: Not with the default kernel AFAIK. |
| 19:26.11 | rudi_s | Backports kernel should work. |
| 19:26.12 | JordiGH | Crap. :-/ |
| 19:26.31 | rudi_s | (Never tried it though, I prefer ext3 .. better tested, and for me no need to use ext4). |
| 19:27.06 | JyZyXEL | any ideas SerajewelKS? |
| 19:27.09 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell JordiGH about ext4 |
| 19:27.18 | JyZyXEL | !ext4 |
| 19:27.18 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:29.05 | JordiGH | This is gonna make my debootstrap more exciting. It was getting boring. |
| 19:29.05 | JordiGH | rudi_s: I'm debootstrapping and n00buntu decided to install ext4. |
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| 19:29.12 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: userspace is new enough, so you just need a new kernel, and an admin crazy enough to use new filesystems for their data |
| 19:29.14 | ah149159101 | If anyone here speaks French or Spanish fluently and wants to make a few dollars translating, message me. |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | OK, I don't know if this is a Debian question, or an oolite one. . . |
| 19:29.35 | JyZyXEL | jelly-hme: didn't google switch to ext4? |
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| 19:29.52 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: use ubuntu's kernel. or get one from lenny-backports |
| 19:30.11 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: I'll use a backport, don't trust Ubuntu to build a proper kernel. |
| 19:30.33 | JordiGH | likes his non-free blobs out of his kernel and not included by default. |
| 19:30.37 | Gnudoll | I installed oolite from synaptic packagemanager,and when I start it, I getnotext on thescreen, list lines that look like they are *supposed tobe text |
| 19:31.07 | Gnudoll | I installed both oolite andoolite-data |
| 19:31.16 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: if you don't use that hardware, the blobs won't get used anyway. And if you need them, you need them anyway. |
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| 19:31.22 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:31.42 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: I still place my trust on the Debian linux team. |
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| 19:31.53 | JyZyXEL | backports kernel might solve the lack of raid5->raid6 conversion that lenny lacks |
| 19:31.57 | johnfg | Well, the install of the latest testing went beautiful, so I thought. But I can't login as myself or as root! |
| 19:32.11 | johnfg | Any other way I can login to the system and reset this? |
| 19:32.40 | Gnudoll | rescue disk |
| 19:32.40 | Gnudoll | ? |
| 19:32.55 | johnfg | Gnudoll, The same dvd I installed off of? |
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| 19:33.10 | Gnudoll | yes, in rescue mode |
| 19:33.26 | wols_ | !tell johnfg about forgot root password |
| 19:33.30 | johnfg | And then just do the passwd root <new password>? |
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| 19:33.48 | wols_ | but I'd check logs first why it won't allow you |
| 19:33.52 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: after spawning a shell in the "target environment" too |
| 19:33.57 | Elshar_ | Hey, anyone know where I could find a fairly quiet server case? I usually use supermicro cases, but the 6-8 small fans end up pretty loud, and I need something fairly quiet this time. |
| 19:34.07 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: or you'll change root's password in the installer environment |
| 19:34.10 | pallgone | why do I get an ubuntu logo in software center for "no screenshot available"? |
| 19:34.18 | pallgone | (squeeze) |
| 19:34.19 | SerajewelKS | Elshar_: ##hardware perhaps? |
| 19:34.33 | Elshar_ | Sera: Thanks, I'll ask in there. |
| 19:34.43 | SerajewelKS | Elshar_: np |
| 19:34.55 | johnfg | Any of these ways quicker/better than another? |
| 19:35.24 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: they're all basically equivalent: boot linux from some other media, mount your / volume somewhere, chroot to it, run passwd |
| 19:35.51 | johnfg | OK, will hope to be back soon. |
| 19:35.54 | johnfg | Thanks all! |
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| 19:36.16 | Gnudoll | Oh, and before you do,check to make sure your caps lock is not on. . . |
| 19:36.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnudoll: haha, well PASSWD isn't a linux command, so... |
| 19:36.34 | Gnudoll | damn, mi9ssed him |
| 19:36.56 | Gnudoll | I meant when inputting the password |
| 19:37.22 | Gnudoll | you wouldnot believe how many times this cameup when I was doing tech support |
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| 19:38.00 | Gnudoll | and people wouldget indignant when asked if it was on. . . |
| 19:38.06 | SerajewelKS | my favorite was the power bar plugged into itself |
| 19:38.25 | JordiGH | Yo, dawg, I heard you like power. |
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| 19:38.32 | Gnudoll | Ah yes, the infinite power supply |
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| 19:39.13 | Gnudoll | or the computer that only works at night. . . |
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| 19:40.58 | Gnudoll | so has anyone got an answer to the strange oolite behaviour? |
| 19:41.41 | jelly-hme | pallgone: that software came from ubuntu, possibly not enough debranding was done |
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| 19:48.24 | HackeMate | hello, i have connected a gps via usb, but the software says is not plugged |
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| 19:48.48 | cognitiaclaeves | I've accidentally deleted a file that I really need not to lose if I can help it. It's on lenny, probably ext3. Is there a way to recover it? |
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| 19:48.52 | ham5 | logs HackeMate |
| 19:48.56 | ham5 | dmesg | tail |
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| 19:52.08 | abrotman | !tell cognitiaclaeves about undelete |
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| 19:55.39 | JyZyXEL | !undelete |
| 19:55.40 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>. |
| 19:55.43 | CrazyTux | Hey guys, I've got a public key warning that I need to add it upon apt-get update |
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| 19:55.50 | CrazyTux | but I can not find this gpg key anywhere, any thoughts? |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: msg the bot |
| 19:56.51 | JyZyXEL | im too lazy |
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| 19:57.53 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that's your excuse for everything |
| 19:58.38 | JyZyXEL | hows so |
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| 20:00.52 | cognitiaclaeves | Man, the lack of undelete is the one Linux philosophy that I find absolutely antiquated. I don't get bit by it often, but when I do, I really loathe it. |
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| 20:01.36 | cognitiaclaeves | Where's the dummy's version of this page? |
| 20:02.13 | rvalles | !SooL |
| 20:02.13 | dpkg | from memory, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 20:02.36 | zleap | i am sure its possible to recover deleted files, its er complex to do |
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| 20:02.42 | JordiGH | Can I use Ubuntu's UUID? |
| 20:02.59 | JordiGH | Does "universally unique" *really* mean universally unique? |
| 20:03.00 | jelly-hme | cognitiaclaeves: well, if the file is old enough to be on last night's backup, just restore it |
| 20:03.01 | JyZyXEL | zleap: especially if the file data is scattered across the disk |
| 20:03.08 | zleap | yeah |
| 20:03.13 | simNIX | dummy version = backup maybe ... and I believe ext2 and maybe can be recovarable |
| 20:03.23 | simNIX | *and maybe ext3 |
| 20:03.34 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: use it for what? |
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| 20:03.39 | zleap | JyZyXEL, i didn't think linux file systems got fragmented |
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| 20:03.56 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: For debian's /etc/fstab |
| 20:03.58 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly-hme: No backup. |
| 20:04.07 | jelly-hme | zleap: all file systems get fragmented; some just cope better |
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| 20:04.12 | simNIX | cognitiaclaeves, http://www.google.com/search?q=ext2+undelete |
| 20:04.23 | zleap | ah |
| 20:04.23 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: sure, it's just a property of the filesystem |
| 20:04.26 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: That is, can I take Ubuntu's UUID's from /etc/fstab and use them in Debian's /etc/fstab (still on the debootstrap) |
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| 20:04.42 | cognitiaclaeves | I probably used ext3. I think I'll use ext2 from now on. |
| 20:04.43 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: for the very saem filesystem? Sure. |
| 20:04.47 | gigo | many examples on the web regarding setting up svn with http uses the htpasswd2 but i don't have this command. please help. |
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| 20:05.11 | jelly-hme | cognitiaclaeves: I strongly suggest implementing backup (instead or in addition, no matter) |
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| 20:05.35 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly-hme: Well, we have SVN, but this was working to fix that... |
| 20:06.08 | jelly-hme | cognitiaclaeves: also, next time, if you catch it before 5 seconds pass, unplug the machine ;-) |
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| 20:06.57 | jelly-hme | reset button works, too |
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| 20:07.26 | JyZyXEL | i once did a mkfs.ext3 to a wrong loop device |
| 20:07.29 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: Yeah. The Ubuntu install had a separate partition for /home, which is what I'm using for Debian now. |
| 20:07.29 | JordiGH | Weirdly enough, I'll be able to dual boot with Debian's / being Ubuntu's /home. |
| 20:07.32 | JyZyXEL | thats sure fucked up everything |
| 20:07.49 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: right, so you can just copy the fstab line |
| 20:07.51 | JyZyXEL | after fsck there was like 95% dataloss |
| 20:08.07 | cognitiaclaeves | has anyone used scalpel? |
| 20:08.30 | JyZyXEL | cognitiaclaeves: i have |
| 20:08.53 | JyZyXEL | theres also foremost and photorec |
| 20:09.16 | cognitiaclaeves | JyZyXEL: Does it make more sense than http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html ? |
| 20:09.59 | Zmanu | is there possibility to have tomcat6 under stable ? |
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| 20:10.13 | Zmanu | else than use a .tar.gz ? |
| 20:10.22 | Zmanu | i find nothing in backport |
| 20:10.30 | JyZyXEL | well it sure is alot faster |
| 20:10.34 | JyZyXEL | and automatic |
| 20:10.42 | JyZyXEL | depends what you wanna do |
| 20:11.34 | cognitiaclaeves | JyZyXEL: I'm attempting to find most of the data associated with a specific file in a path that that was deleted accidentally. |
| 20:12.08 | jelly-hme | cognitiaclaeves: I hope you've stopped writing to that disk in the meantime? |
| 20:12.26 | cognitiaclaeves | I've stopped everything that can be stopped, that I know of. |
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| 20:12.34 | jelly-hme | umounted / rebooted? |
| 20:12.57 | jelly-hme | the latter being better option |
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| 20:13.14 | cognitiaclaeves | No, I haven't done that. It's a VM. |
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| 20:15.24 | gigo | how can I get the htpasswd2 command necessary for the svn? |
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| 20:15.46 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. I shut it down. I guess I didn't realize that this would still be this involved. |
| 20:16.27 | abrotman | !tell gigo about apt-file |
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| 20:16.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ah, screw you, i was just typing that :( |
| 20:16.40 | cognitiaclaeves | I can't optionally install a trash bin that works at the os level? Something that would just hang onto the last XX megs of a file over 24 hours would go a long way toward this issue. |
| 20:16.56 | Titan8990 | cognitiaclaeves: first step to disk forensics is always to stop use of the drive to image it. This prevents new data from overwritting what you are atttempting to recover |
| 20:17.03 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: dvorak is not fast enough it seems |
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| 20:17.10 | Titan8990 | cognitiaclaeves: its called a "backup" |
| 20:17.36 | SerajewelKS | cognitiaclaeves: you could write one with fuse |
| 20:18.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: or my qwerty speed is faster than your dvorak speed? :) |
| 20:18.11 | hebz0rl | is there any torrent tracker in the debian repositories? |
| 20:18.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: more likely you started typing sooner :P i was on a different irssi tab |
| 20:18.32 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: yes |
| 20:18.34 | SerajewelKS | hebz0rl: you can search at packages.debian.org |
| 20:18.59 | SerajewelKS | hebz0rl: except for obscure stuff, you should really google before asking questions. it makes you look smarter. |
| 20:19.25 | HackeMate | well, i think my computer is properly configured to use the gps, but for some reason the software doesnt works at all via wine, now my question is if there is a gps manager for linux (not gpsman in tcl tk) |
| 20:19.27 | hebz0rl | SerajewelKS, i looked with aptitude search but found nothing :/ |
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| 20:19.36 | action09 | hi all, anyone succeed to build latest snort.tar.gz ? with check_install or make install.. i've got errors, and i'm searching for someone which had made the job :D |
| 20:19.37 | hebz0rl | dondelelcaro, whats the name? |
| 20:19.39 | HackeMate | gpsdrive wants to me install 60mb of packages |
| 20:19.46 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: apt-cache search torrent tracker |
| 20:20.43 | hebz0rl | dondelelcaro, i just get torrent clients http://pastebin.com/RyHr66t1 but i want a tracker |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | hebz0rl: did you read the full descriptions for those packages? |
| 20:22.42 | hebz0rl | nope |
| 20:22.45 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: uh... are you actually running Debian? do you have a full mirror? have you recently run apt-get update? |
| 20:22.57 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: you're missing about 3 of the torrent trackers that we distribute |
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| 20:23.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i get the same results searching on my lenny box |
| 20:23.09 | hebz0rl | debian 5.0 |
| 20:23.23 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro: I got the same results on my lenny system |
| 20:23.32 | Titan8990 | oh, SerajewelKS beat me to that |
| 20:23.40 | SerajewelKS | bwahahaha |
| 20:23.58 | dondelelcaro | Hrm; maybe bittornado's description has been updated since then |
| 20:24.41 | SerajewelKS | ,versions bittornado |
| 20:24.43 | judd | bittornado -- etch: 0.3.17-1; lenny: 0.3.18-8; sid: 0.3.18-10; squeeze: 0.3.18-10 |
| 20:24.59 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: seems so. on my squeeze box it shows up in the same search. |
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| 20:28.05 | hebz0rl | ok i will just use opentracker then a trackersoftware in the repositories would be nice though :/ |
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| 20:29.16 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: uh... bittorando is a tracker... and qbittorrent and a few other things are as well |
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| 20:30.19 | hebz0rl | dondelelcaro, aw shame on me i read bittornado which is another client thank you |
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| 20:31.42 | cognitiaclaeves | hmm.. well, now that it's shut down, how do I boot it so that it stays in read-only mode? |
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| 20:32.34 | Titan8990 | cognitiaclaeves: mount -o ro |
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| 20:33.51 | Tramp | !ops okapi14 (~okapi14@ool-ad0369cf.dyn.optonline.net) apparently broken client |
| 20:33.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: okapi14 (~okapi14@ool-ad0369cf.dyn.optonline.net) apparently broken client |
| 20:33.52 | Titan8990 | thats a lot of join/parts for okapi14.... |
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| 20:34.18 | Tramp | he's banned now on ##linux and #bash - he's trying to join too many channels I think |
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| 20:38.47 | _Dave123_ | i am configuring a Virtual Machine of Virtual box on my windows 2003 webserver, but i don't know how I should edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to have all ports forwarded, what static IP should I pick? since when i type 'ipconfig /all' I do not see 192.* any |
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| 20:39.14 | red_eyes | Does anyone know what a keylogger is? |
| 20:39.35 | ham5 | troll much? |
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| 20:40.10 | Titan8990 | _Dave123_: ##networking unless you are having trouble with the syntax of the interfaces file |
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| 20:40.59 | Titan8990 | _Dave123_: We couldn't possibly tell you what IP to assign to your VM... I suggest doing some reading on TCP/IP |
| 20:41.44 | _Dave123_ | Titan8990: explain? |
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| 20:41.57 | Titan8990 | _Dave123_: explain what? TCP/IP |
| 20:42.19 | Titan8990 | _Dave123_: man... don't ask a question in two channels if you are already getting help in another |
| 20:42.39 | gigo | can't find htpasswd2 in apt-file search. how do I install htpasswd2? |
| 20:42.44 | gigo | i need to setup my svn with http |
| 20:43.22 | Titan8990 | gigo: apache2-utils contains htpasswd |
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| 20:44.06 | gigo | Titan8990: the doc says htpasswd2 |
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| 20:44.28 | Titan8990 | gigo: what doc? whats the difference? |
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| 20:45.58 | Conic | Quick question, is Debian bootable after just "installing base system?" the installer dies at "select and install software" |
| 20:46.03 | Conic | I have my own bootloader and everything. |
| 20:46.38 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 20:46.47 | Titan8990 | Conic: I would imagine. you don't have to install anything from select and install software |
| 20:47.15 | Titan8990 | Conic: unless of course, kernel installation comes after base system. Should be able to get it going from a chroot if nothing else |
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| 20:48.36 | Conic | I'm installing on an 11 year old 233mhz cacheless PowerBook G3, by the way |
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| 20:48.46 | Conic | It's been quite an adventure so far |
| 20:48.58 | Titan8990 | Conic: there is a specific ppc channel |
| 20:49.01 | Titan8990 | !tell Conic about ppc |
| 20:49.06 | Conic | Thanks |
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| 20:55.32 | m3tti | hi everyone |
| 20:56.23 | m3tti | whats about the btrfs thing why isn't the patch to delete snapshots implemented in debian squeeze ? |
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| 21:02.13 | DexterF | does lvm have a big performance impact? I'm getting hardly 2MB/s on a disk-to-disk copy. which is eerie. |
| 21:02.35 | Titan8990 | DexterF: not that I noticed in my usage |
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| 21:03.56 | m3tti | anyone using btrfs right now ???? |
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| 21:06.01 | DasEi2 | DexterF: can't confirm it |
| 21:06.50 | epsilon | DexterF: how's your lvm configured? |
| 21:07.16 | JordiGH | Hm, running grub-install from my debootstrapped chroot doesn't seem to have found the Ubuntu kernel in another partition. |
| 21:07.18 | epsilon | (Harddisk, group, volume, partition...) |
| 21:07.18 | DasEi2 | DexterF: hdparm let's you test the drives independently, and rsync -P shows throuput at copying |
| 21:07.31 | JordiGH | Nor the Windows partition, but that's of less immediate concern. |
| 21:07.34 | karlpinc | If I was administering a pile of desktops and wanted to enforce polices as to whats installed, and perhaps more importantly, what's not, what tool would I use? I've tried a quick look at the puppet docs and can't tell if there are facilities for policing what's installed that should not be. |
| 21:07.58 | DexterF | uh... forget what I said, this is not even on lvm, its a regular xfs on a regular partition |
| 21:08.17 | DexterF | what's goign on there, xfs to xfs copy on 2 local disks |
| 21:08.17 | DasEi2 | JordiGH: did you bind /proc and /sys, too ? |
| 21:08.17 | JordiGH | karlpinc: Just don't give users root? |
| 21:08.36 | JordiGH | DasEi2: Hm, bind? There's a /proc, not sure about /sys. |
| 21:08.40 | karlpinc | DexterF: The inside tracks on a slow rpm drive perhaps? (I confess not having done the math.) |
| 21:08.47 | epsilon | DexterF: same bus? |
| 21:09.09 | gigo | $ chgrp www-data repos/ |
| 21:09.09 | gigo | chgrp: changing group of `repos/': Operation not permitted |
| 21:09.10 | DexterF | epsilon: yeah, but both sata, I know those ports can do 80MB/s easily |
| 21:09.14 | gigo | why this error? |
| 21:09.29 | epsilon | naa, 2MB/sec can't be the disc... that was mid 90th |
| 21:09.39 | karlpinc | JordiGH: I suppose that works-ish. Of course anybody can install anything in their home directory, and I can't think what could detect that anyway.... |
| 21:09.40 | DexterF | karlpinc: the drives do 70 and 120 MB on the inner tracks |
| 21:09.52 | DasEi2 | JordiGH: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide << see the section about chroot'ing |
| 21:09.56 | JordiGH | karlpinc: Why should you police that? |
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| 21:10.34 | JordiGH | karlpinc: You could make users' homedirs not have exec permissions. |
| 21:10.40 | JordiGH | Although that would be quite annoying... |
| 21:10.43 | karlpinc | JordiGH: It's hypothethetical. I was thinking of responding to a web post somewhere and that got me wondering about wanting a secure solution. |
| 21:10.51 | karlpinc | JordiGH: There ya go. |
| 21:11.07 | karlpinc | JordiGH: I suppose the point is to be annoying. |
| 21:11.18 | DexterF | that xfs was created by gparted. maybe it screwed up somehow? I tried a dd_rescue /dev/zero to that disk before I partitioned it and it would do 110MB/s writing |
| 21:11.20 | DexterF | odd |
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| 21:12.52 | DexterF | 29*1024 |
| 21:12.53 | karlpinc | DexterF: Gparted is supposed to be good at partition alignment. (If your alignment was bad and you were using software block sizes smaller than the hardware block sizes then write performance sucks.) |
| 21:12.55 | DexterF | whoops |
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| 21:14.18 | DexterF | hm. goen up now. 49/s now. better. with xfs overhead. |
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| 21:14.30 | gigo | why can't I chown and chmod my own files? |
| 21:14.47 | DexterF | cp'ed 40G, maybe it got stuck at arranging the tree |
| 21:14.55 | \amethyst | gigo: you can chmod them, but Unix doesn't traditionally allow users to change file ownership |
| 21:15.02 | DexterF | gigo: not the owner, no write permission? |
| 21:15.17 | rryouumaa | what's a good free online storage site like box.com or dropbox or whatever, that allows ftp or other shell-script-friendly backups? |
| 21:15.37 | gigo | oops. i meant chown and chgrp |
| 21:15.38 | \amethyst | gigo: among the problems with being able to chown is that, on a system with quota, you could use chown fill up someone else's quota and they can't do anything about it |
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| 21:15.49 | \amethyst | gigo: you can chgrp it to a group you belong to |
| 21:15.57 | gigo | ok |
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| 21:16.20 | \amethyst | s/chown fill/chown to fill/ |
| 21:16.43 | JordiGH | karlpinc: I forget how to disallow execution on a directory. I thought it was possible with Unix permissions... |
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| 21:18.39 | karlpinc | JordiGH: It's a fs thing. I forget the details as well.... |
| 21:18.48 | Da_Wrecka | This should be fun. :/ I need to set up a server for a PXE boot for the netbook, because my IDE-USB thingy doesn't work |
| 21:19.22 | JordiGH | karlpinc: Oh, right, you mount /home without exec permissions. |
| 21:19.41 | \amethyst | JordiGH: if you chmod -x the directory, no one can access any paths beneath it, and all they can do on the directory itself is plain ls (if it's readable) |
| 21:19.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: but I'm not sure if that's what you mean by "disallow execution" |
| 21:20.11 | karlpinc | Da_Wrecka: Pxeboot is fun. Just take it a step at a time and test each step. |
| 21:20.20 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I know. |
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| 21:20.31 | JordiGH | \amethyst: No, karlpinc wants to be BOFH and not let users execute anything except what the sysadmin approves. |
| 21:20.47 | rryouumaa | that is what groups are for, no? |
| 21:20.54 | \amethyst | you can mount filesystems noexec |
| 21:21.02 | \amethyst | especially /home and /tmp |
| 21:21.14 | \amethyst | it's a mount option, though, not a directory permission |
| 21:21.19 | JordiGH | \amethyst: As we both karlpinc and I mentioned above. |
| 21:21.22 | \amethyst | ah |
| 21:21.44 | \amethyst | lack of execute doesn't keep someone from running a script, though |
| 21:21.50 | \amethyst | since they can just launch the interpreter |
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| 21:24.12 | JordiGH | Well, they won't be able to run compiled code, hahaha. |
| 21:24.12 | JordiGH | Maybe interpreters can be compiled to not execute code in a tainted directory either... |
| 21:24.12 | JordiGH | or from stdin, oh no! |
| 21:24.24 | karlpinc | JordiGH: I was thinking of chattr, but that has nothing to do with execution. |
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| 21:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, seems simple enough then... execute all users who execute unauthorized code |
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| 21:29.42 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: eye for an eye, and the world runs blind. |
| 21:29.43 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: The trouble is in the automation. :) |
| 21:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or to speak with britney spears "I'm in favor of the death penalty. Who did such awful things has to get the appropriate punishment. That's the only way he'll learn for the next time" |
| 21:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.missgeschick.de/fun-bilder/Britney-Spears-.ue.ber-Todesstrafe.htm |
| 21:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, hmm, ever played space quest? :) |
| 21:31.17 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 21:31.36 | nvz | I was just double taking at what was being said and which window it was myself.. |
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| 21:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono, I thin it was SQ1 where the death-ray hits you when you get the three skulls... point was: not so hard to automate |
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| 21:39.22 | rudi_s | Hi. I have a problem with sshfs on Lenny. When the remote machine gets disconnected my computer hangs, I can't start any new programs but the running ones still work fine. When I reconnect the remote computer everything returns to normal. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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| 21:40.39 | kshah | Hi, if I use apt to install a package which would normally create a config file at /etc/default/whatever , if I have a file there already, will it be overwritten? |
| 21:40.55 | x-ip | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.19 | x-ip | what else can i do ? surely i'm missing something ... |
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| 21:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | x-ip: Just to go for the obvious, you have restarted or reloaded the server? |
| 21:46.36 | x-ip | yeah jhutchins |
| 21:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | x-ip: Well, my next stop would be the apache.org docs. |
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| 21:48.55 | x-ip | thanks jhutchins_lt :) |
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| 21:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | rudi_s, sounds like the sshfs mounted directory is in your path |
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| 21:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | kshah, shouldn't |
| 21:53.55 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: No, it isn't. |
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| 21:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | check |
| 21:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds very much like something is trying to read from there when you start a new program |
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| 21:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH come to mind |
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| 21:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... why not just properly umount stuff :) |
| 21:55.32 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: I will check that, the problem is I can't use strace to verify it as I can't start any programs once it happens. |
| 21:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was thinking of that right now |
| 21:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I think you can |
| 21:55.47 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: It also happens when the network goes down, something I can't control. |
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| 21:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could do "strace -f -F -e open bash" and trace what happens when you start a new program from there |
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| 21:57.49 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, will try that. |
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| 22:07.53 | JordiGH | Hm, I messed up my debian install. |
| 22:07.57 | JordiGH | Seems like I don't have an init. |
| 22:08.06 | JordiGH | Should I reinstall Linux, or what? |
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| 22:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | never |
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| 22:12.59 | rudi_s | JordiGH: I would suggest that. And in the future try making dangerous changes in a Virtual Machine. |
| 22:13.11 | JordiGH | rudi_s: instead of in a chroot? |
| 22:13.31 | rudi_s | JordiGH: Chroot is fine too, but you can't test everything there (kernel, ..). |
| 22:13.49 | JordiGH | I'm not sure if it's just Ubuntu's grub that's confused about how to start Debian... |
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| 22:16.26 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: You're right, it was some kind of PATH problem ... stupid me. Thank you very much for your help. |
| 22:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 22:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm always right! |
| 22:16.46 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 22:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if I'm wrong |
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| 22:18.17 | JordiGH | Oh, wow. |
| 22:18.42 | JordiGH | It looks like the backported lenny kernel is trying to use ext3 to mount an ext4 partition. |
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| 22:18.46 | pSy | hi |
| 22:18.50 | JordiGH | I'm guessing it's the initrd that's doing that? |
| 22:18.56 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 22:19.13 | pSy | how can I tell apt to use testing instead of stable for a specific package? |
| 22:19.28 | JordiGH | pSy: aptitude install foo/testing |
| 22:19.45 | JordiGH | pSy: but if you're using a stable system, this is bound to be a bad idea. |
| 22:20.07 | pSy | JordiGH: if a need bzr its a bad idea to use version 1.5 |
| 22:20.13 | pSy | instead of 2.1 |
| 22:20.19 | JordiGH | pSy: No, it's a bad idea to use a mixed Debian system. |
| 22:20.31 | JordiGH | pSy: 2.1 is probably backported, do that instead. |
| 22:20.44 | pSy | JordiGH: how? |
| 22:20.47 | JordiGH | !backports |
| 22:20.48 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:21.25 | themill | ,versions bzr |
| 22:21.26 | judd | bzr -- etch: 0.11-1.1; etch-backports: 1.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5-1.1; lenny-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.1.1-1; squeeze: 2.1.1-1 |
| 22:22.03 | pSy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.08 | pSy | thx |
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| 22:30.44 | paradoxmonkey | I can get multiple ip addresses from my isp, how can I pass one of them to a box and let the rest run nat (under another ip)? |
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| 22:31.16 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: use the dmz feature of your router |
| 22:31.21 | gnat_x | hey folks. is there a way that i can get php 5.2.x on my squeeze system. i use drupal a bunch and there's tons of problems upstream, and that seems like the fast and dirty solution. |
| 22:31.34 | SerajewelKS | ,versions libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:31.37 | judd | libapache-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16 |
| 22:31.42 | SerajewelKS | ,versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:31.44 | judd | libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1 |
| 22:31.59 | SerajewelKS | gnat_x: you'll have to backport it yourself |
| 22:31.59 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: my router is a debian box with iptables - that's why I'm asking... |
| 22:32.23 | gnat_x | SerajewelKS: okay, that's what i was figuring. |
| 22:32.24 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: I dunno how to get two dhcp leases from my isp with only one nic |
| 22:32.48 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: the routing configuration will be trickier than the dhcp situation |
| 22:33.09 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: why not just put a switch between the modem and your router, then hook up this other box to it? |
| 22:33.11 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: generally, you can have dhcp configure another interface and get an address on it, but not set up a default gateway |
| 22:33.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell gnat_x about ssb |
| 22:33.38 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: however, if you can have multiple IPs, usually you don't need to use DHCP to configure them |
| 22:34.18 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: I don't get static ips from my isp, that's the problem |
| 22:34.42 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: if they're not static, I'm not quite sure why you want multiple IPs... |
| 22:34.54 | JordiGH | Okay, it seems like the initrd that got generated is trying to mount / with ext3 but it's ext4. How do I tell it to use ext4? When booting, I get dropped into busybox. |
| 22:35.05 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: because I will need to have another accesspoint... |
| 22:35.26 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: ...why? |
| 22:35.29 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: To get rid of nat on one of my computers |
| 22:35.47 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: what do you mean by "accesspoint?" WAP? |
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| 22:36.57 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: WLAN - wireless |
| 22:37.14 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: why would moving one box to the other side of a router in any way affect your AP configuration? |
| 22:37.16 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: if you want all packets to be forwarded to that computer, then just adjust your masquerade rule not to masquerade those packets, and just send them on to the DMZ computer |
| 22:37.29 | paradoxmonkey | It's kind of hard to explain any way here is a picture - https://doc-00-8c-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/secure/rb76hs62dof3nkvdingba5cedl9ltjag/4m31bf6ou5d45jpt12mif741vscj66f2/1271181600000/03281977107882130172/*/0Bzt_JQ-AtiqKNDQwMzBhNzEtYjIwZi00Yzg3LTg5NDYtZDFlZmFkODk2MDFh?h=08233434705108376512 |
| 22:38.07 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: right, so move the box with the public IP to the other side of the firewall/router |
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| 22:38.37 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: have a switch that the modem, router box, and this other computer all plug into |
| 22:38.40 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: yes, but I still don't know how to get another dhcp lease from my isp using only one wan interface |
| 22:38.41 | adb | !tell paradoxmonkey -about tinyurl |
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| 22:39.04 | JordiGH | Okay, initrd is calling fstype in its scripts, and fstype reports the filesystem is ext3 instead of ext4. |
| 22:39.07 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: if the box is switched with the modem it will acquire its own lease |
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| 22:39.18 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: you get the lease from the DMZ machine, and have the router forward those packets appropriately |
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| 22:39.54 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: alternatively, you bring up another interface, like eth0.1, and configure DHCP to get a lease on that interface. |
| 22:40.15 | dondelelcaro | (all if it is possible; it just depends what you want to do) |
| 22:40.38 | SerajewelKS | also depends on how the DHCP server assigns addresses. if the virtual interface has the same MAC address as the other, you might get assignd the same IP. |
| 22:40.55 | dondelelcaro | well, it's not like you actually have to send out the right MAC address |
| 22:40.55 | SerajewelKS | either way, i still maintain that switching the WAN connection will be a lot less headache |
| 22:41.14 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the reason why you often don't do that, is because you want a single point which can be access controlled |
| 22:41.32 | JordiGH | Aha, needed to add rootfstype=ext4 as a kernel param. |
| 22:41.45 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, you'd normally be using static addresses in such a case, anyway) |
| 22:41.51 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: then another box with three NICs bridged. iptables can filter on the FORWARD chain. |
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| 22:42.33 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: I also want that host to be part of my normal nated network, two ips one public and one private on the same box |
| 22:42.37 | SerajewelKS | anyway, there's a lot less caveats if you switch or bridge than trying to hack a dmz together, especially when dhcp is involved |
| 22:43.09 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: that's what I tried but I just got these errors: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 22:43.11 | paradoxmonkey | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 22:43.13 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: out of curiosity, are you a masochist? |
| 22:43.13 | paradoxmonkey | Bind socket to interface: No such device. |
| 22:44.21 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: no. I just find it rather hard to explain it. Why would you think I'm a masochist? |
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| 22:46.20 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: because you seem to like inflicting pain on yourself :) |
| 22:46.23 | paradoxmonkey | Is it just me or is it impossible to get a dhcp lease on a wan:1 interface |
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| 22:47.34 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: well I agree that putting the box outside the firewall is a easy solution, but then the box wouldn't be able to print, access the samba server etc. |
| 22:48.05 | Malvagio | modify your firewall rules? |
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| 22:48.32 | paradoxmonkey | Malvagio: I think we have established that, the question is how? |
| 22:48.36 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: uh... you have to modify the dhcp client rules significantly |
| 22:48.47 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: why not just throw two NICs in thi server, attach one to the LAN and one to the switched WAN? |
| 22:49.14 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: and you'll have to provide more information about what specifically is showing you that error, and what command it's trying to run, and what the output of ip addr; looks like |
| 22:49.20 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: you will have to tinker with the LAN DHCP server to not send it a default route (or at least to specify a more expensive metric), but other than that |
| 22:49.20 | dondelelcaro | (and probably also ip route) |
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| 22:49.40 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: cause my router box is one of those thin clients - there is no more space for another nci |
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| 22:50.27 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: i didn't say your router. i said the box you want to have a public IP |
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| 22:50.50 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: one cable to the WAN switch, one to the LAN switch |
| 22:51.01 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: eh sorry. I can't it's a laptop |
| 22:51.28 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: and I like it to run wireless |
| 22:52.25 | paradoxmonkey | I need to find a way to send two dhcp leases to the box, one with the public ip and another with the private ip |
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| 22:52.29 | SerajewelKS | well, i'm out of suggestions then, and i need to get home anyway |
| 22:52.31 | Malvagio | paradoxmonkey, using iptables? |
| 22:52.46 | paradoxmonkey | Malvagio: yes |
| 22:52.49 | JordiGH | HABEMUS DEBIAN |
| 22:52.55 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: you might reassess exactly what you are trying to accomplish here; perhaps there is another configuration that will be easier to set up |
| 22:52.57 | JordiGH | blows white smoke. |
| 22:53.08 | Malvagio | bingo |
| 22:53.13 | JordiGH | This was lots of fun, hehehe, debootstrap rules. :D |
| 22:53.21 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: forget about ip addresses, network cards... what do you want to DO |
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| 22:54.02 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: Get rid of NAT on one of my machines |
| 22:54.07 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: to what end? |
| 22:54.12 | JordiGH | Why aren't you people paryting with me? |
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| 22:55.04 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: do you just want to get rid of NAT for the hell of it, or is there another goal? |
| 22:55.34 | streuner_ | JordiGH: come to #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:55.50 | paradoxmonkey | SerajewelKS: I guess when you put it like that I can't find a good reason to why. |
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| 22:56.11 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: then perhaps it's best to not mess with it :) |
| 22:56.29 | SerajewelKS | paradoxmonkey: i mean i'm all for tinkering, and if you really want to then go for it. i learned a lot by tinkering and breaking stuff. |
| 22:56.58 | Malvagio | SerajewelKS, lots easier than asking questions on IRC, isn't it? |
| 22:57.19 | SerajewelKS | Malvagio: you learn more too. unfortunately you also have mad parents. |
| 22:57.46 | Malvagio | ha |
| 22:57.50 | Malvagio | not any more |
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| 22:58.03 | SerajewelKS | Malvagio: or wife, in my case |
| 22:58.12 | paradoxmonkey | I tried to mess with it a bit but the stupid debian router doesn't want to get another dhcp lease on the wan:1 interface |
| 22:58.15 | Malvagio | tom cat for life. :) |
| 22:58.36 | SerajewelKS | anyway, later paradoxmonkey, good luck |
| 22:58.39 | paradoxmonkey | Maybe an alias interface can't get a dhcp lease |
| 22:58.56 | JordiGH | Now I think I need to get the nvidia blob. :-( |
| 22:59.05 | Malvagio | would be easier to set static ips and define the routes |
| 22:59.12 | Malvagio | than pissing around with dhcp |
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| 23:06.58 | Malvagio | hi |
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| 23:19.01 | rednammoc | i'm running debian 4.0 with virtualbox. however. eth0 does not exist. therefor eth1. any ideas how that works or how to change it to eth0 again ? |
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| 23:19.37 | adb | !70 |
| 23:19.37 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze). If you want the mappings to change, edit this file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 23:20.10 | Titan8990 | adb: I think it was called something different in etch... same dir IIRC though |
| 23:20.27 | adb | rednammoc, but move to lenny (5.xx) |
| 23:20.58 | rednammoc | adb: thx. i'll give it a try |
| 23:22.12 | adb | !z25 |
| 23:22.13 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze). If you want the mappings to change, edit this file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 23:23.45 | Titan8990 | adb: that was it! |
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| 23:24.48 | adb | but same text in .. |
| 23:25.05 | rednammoc | adb: where's the difference ? |
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| 23:25.17 | Titan8990 | adb: it used to say both, I assume someone changed it when etch support was droppect |
| 23:25.23 | Titan8990 | !factinfo z25 |
| 23:25.23 | dpkg | z25 -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@li5-248.members.linode.com> at Wed Sep 10 11:26:26 2008 (580 days); last modified at Fri Mar 12 10:34:47 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 182 times, last by adb, 3m 11s ago. |
| 23:25.26 | yo_rmn | hello, can someone tellme I'm not crazy? I have installed Chrome amd64, and it just "hides", sometimes, I start and its there, but some other times is not :S |
| 23:25.49 | Titan8990 | yo_rmn: google chrome? |
| 23:26.04 | yo_rmn | I looked around and the only thing I have right now it's picasa. Yes Google Chrome |
| 23:26.16 | rednammoc | yo_rmn: tried the 32bit instead |
| 23:26.26 | yo_rmn | but it might just BE THER on next reboot |
| 23:26.32 | Titan8990 | rednammoc: hes not going to get very far with that if his system is amd64 |
| 23:26.39 | yo_rmn | no I haven't tried it |
| 23:26.48 | Titan8990 | yo_rmn: did you install via the .deb on the google website? |
| 23:26.53 | yo_rmn | yes |
| 23:27.11 | yo_rmn | my system is indeed Squeeze amd64 |
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| 23:27.25 | Titan8990 | yo_rmn: I have not experienced this issue... and I run google-chrome on all my debian systems. I suggest joining #chromium-support |
| 23:27.30 | rednammoc | Titan8990: i thought running 32bit apps at 64 os works ? |
| 23:27.54 | yo_rmn | it does, i use getlibs fot tht matter |
| 23:27.55 | khaije|amalt | you know the screen on install that prompts you to enter keys to help detect your proper keyboard... i think i need that. is there a way to run in on an already installed systems? |
| 23:28.09 | yo_rmn | thxç |
| 23:28.36 | Titan8990 | khaije|amalt: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:28.37 | rednammoc | khaije|amalt: dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
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| 23:28.49 | Titan8990 | rednammoc: I win! |
| 23:28.54 | rednammoc | xD |
| 23:28.58 | khaije|amalt | idk but i'll try it, thanks both |
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| 23:29.21 | jelly-hme | !keymap |
| 23:29.21 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 23:30.58 | Titan8990 | adb: are you a DD? |
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| 23:39.17 | adb | Titan8990, no |
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| 23:47.45 | timothy__ | I want to configure my wifi in squeeze - what should I do ? |
| 23:49.41 | gapz | timothy__: read the doc ? ;-) |
| 23:49.58 | gapz | always better than asking general question on irc |
| 23:50.01 | timothy__ | gapz which docs |
| 23:50.10 | gapz | it depends on your conf |
| 23:50.16 | gapz | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi etc |
| 23:50.20 | timothy__ | this is what I am asking |
| 23:51.15 | gapz | (irc is not a search engine) |
| 23:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | !ell timothy__ about wifi |
| 23:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell timothy__ about wifi |
| 23:53.01 | gapz | !tell gapz about wifi |
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| 23:53.42 | gapz | (I never used this bot :p) |
| 23:54.11 | Titan8990 | !tell gapz about selftell |
| 23:54.19 | gapz | (: |
| 23:55.16 | gapz | I'm a bit schizophrenic |
| 23:55.36 | gapz | but now, we improve |
| 23:55.40 | gapz | :-) |
| 23:56.26 | gapz | btw, thank you Titan8990 :) |
| 23:57.23 | Titan8990 | gapz: anytime |
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