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| 00:01.42 | droid7 | what's the name of the package that represents the "services gui" configuration app? |
| 00:01.59 | abrotman | in which GUI? |
| 00:02.13 | droid7 | the one that's in System->Admin->Services or something |
| 00:02.19 | droid7 | (not on gnome atm) |
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| 00:08.47 | ham5 | gnome-system-tools droid7 |
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| 00:10.00 | droid7 | ham5: could be. I'll try it when I get back on. Thanks :D |
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| 00:38.57 | metrix | I want to limit what devices will work plugged into a usb plug (I want a usb printer work, but not a flash drive). Any idea how I would do this? |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | metrix: udev rules perhaps |
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| 01:04.43 | douglastibr | good evening |
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| 01:05.04 | douglastibr | someone can help me with postfix + courier-imap? |
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| 01:11.20 | timothy_ | can anyone tell me how to activate the intel wifi and eventually configure it |
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| 01:14.13 | abrotman | timothy_: wqhich version of debian, which wifi device ? |
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| 01:16.24 | timothy_ | abrotman the man: I use squeeze amd64 and intel wifi |
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| 01:17.17 | abrotman | yes .. which intel wifi? |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | lspci -nn .. if oyu need more info |
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| 01:17.51 | Macer | are there any plans to add ubh 3.0 to the repo? |
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| 01:18.00 | abrotman | add what ? |
| 01:18.22 | Macer | ubh 3.0 .. right now the repo has 2.5-11 |
| 01:18.30 | abrotman | did you check the BTS ? |
| 01:18.37 | Macer | bts? |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | judd: info ubh --release squeeze |
| 01:18.40 | judd | No record of package 'ubh' in squeeze/i386. |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | judd: info ubh --release sid |
| 01:18.55 | Macer | judd: info ubh |
| 01:18.57 | judd | No record of package 'ubh' in sid/i386. |
| 01:18.58 | judd | ubh (net, optional): Download and decode Usenet binaries. Version: 2.5-11; Size: 40.7k; Installed: 208k |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | Macer: bugs.debian.org/ubh |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | timothy_: in general,you need the firmware .. firmware-iwlwifi IIRC |
| 01:20.15 | Macer | abrotman: i have to add an unstable repo or something? |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | judd: versions ubh |
| 01:20.42 | judd | ubh -- etch: 2.5-10; lenny: 2.5-11 |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | there's nothing newer in debian at all .. seems to have been abandoned |
| 01:21.10 | Macer | oh :/ |
| 01:21.21 | Macer | well... 3.0 doesn't seem to be abandoned.. there is still a cvs for it |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | Macer: would you like to be the maintainer ? |
| 01:21.36 | abrotman | this is why i said to check the BTDs |
| 01:21.36 | Macer | and their website says it isn't but that's like from 2007 |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | BTS |
| 01:21.52 | Macer | abrotman: honestly. i don't know how to make the .deb and i wasn't able to get it to work correctly in debian |
| 01:22.09 | Macer | and there isn't much documentation for it |
| 01:22.13 | timothy_ | abroman: I got the firmware - through synaptic package manager - but I want to activate and configure the wifi card |
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| 01:22.16 | workingwork | if anyone want to be invited in lockerz whisper me add points and win console ipod and mac |
| 01:22.19 | Macer | but i just found it odd that lenny has 2.5-11 |
| 01:22.24 | Bop | to make a deb package u can use checkisntall |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | timothy_: it should activate on its own |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | Macer: and i said to check the BTS |
| 01:24.17 | Macer | Bop: but i need to get it working correctly first ;) i tried and had the mysql database set up and everything but for some reason it would not fetch headers |
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| 01:25.00 | Macer | No reports found! |
| 01:25.09 | Macer | i looked at the bts already ;) |
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| 01:26.05 | Macer | i mean. 2.5 doesn't seem buggy.. it's just that 3.0 is supposed to be way better and use far less ram than 2.5 |
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| 01:26.16 | Macer | but debian has 2.5-11 in its repo instead of 3.0 for some reason |
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| 01:26.49 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/wnpp and ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | Macer: see how it's maintained by the qa team ? |
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| 01:31.34 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.38 | Macer | doh! |
| 01:31.39 | Bohemian | how do i remove everything that uses X11, and X itself? |
| 01:31.42 | Macer | :) |
| 01:32.06 | JordiGH | Bohemian: That depends. Do you consider gnome to use X11? |
| 01:32.12 | Bohemian | yes |
| 01:32.28 | Bohemian | i want *everything* gone. i only had it set up because i was running a VM. now that it's on my server it doesn't need X |
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| 01:32.57 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: there are lots of things that use X11 that you probaly still want |
| 01:33.03 | JordiGH | Bohemian: Well, remove xserver-xorg, that should take care of most things, but you'll have a few stray things here and there. Also remove the base package of your DM. |
| 01:33.14 | Bohemian | dondelelcaro: like what? |
| 01:33.17 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: but regardless, mark everything that you don't actually want as automatically installed, and that'll resolve the problem |
| 01:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: there are numerous things which link against libX11 which don't actually have to use X |
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| 01:33.56 | Bohemian | oh :/ |
| 01:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: examples include vim, emacs, etc. |
| 01:34.21 | JordiGH | Bohemian: And it also makes sense to have Gnome running on a machine that isn't running an X server. |
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| 01:34.42 | Bohemian | it does? why? i'm just using it as a LAMP server... |
| 01:34.59 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: not on your machine, but sometimes is can be useful |
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| 01:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: but anyway, just mark anything you don't actually know that you want as automatically installed in aptitude (or similar), and it'll be removed if it can be |
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| 01:35.36 | dondelelcaro | Bohemian: you can always re-add stuff later, too. |
| 01:35.45 | JordiGH | Bohemian: I mean, it makes sense in the sense that it's something you conceivably could want to do, and hence why gnome doesn't depend on X. |
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| 01:36.14 | JordiGH | So removing X could conceivably not remove gnome. |
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| 01:38.05 | doomcup | I have good news and bad news |
| 01:38.12 | doomcup | Good news is OSS4 works fantastically |
| 01:38.19 | doomcup | Bad news is X doesn't |
| 01:38.25 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 01:39.35 | doomcup | Somehow I knew my ATI card would cause trouble |
| 01:39.58 | nvz | I have a 40, 80, and 120gb drive all of questionable age.. what scheme could I use to get the most storage out of them with some degree of integrity? LVM and RAID maybe? |
| 01:40.18 | JordiGH | nvz: Sounds like you already have the best plan possible. |
| 01:40.59 | nvz | JordiGH: yeah pretty much figured that. heh. My idea was to LVM the 40 and 80 making another 120 and then mirror the two 120gb lvms |
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| 01:42.15 | nvz | not sure if I'm even gonna do that or not. considering the average importance of the data I have, I normally don't care.. but the 120GB I know has lost a filesystem once already and has been sitting in my car for quite some time.. so its more likely to fail than any drive I'd ever used |
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| 01:42.35 | nvz | so I would otherwise lean towards not using it at all over not making it redundant |
| 01:44.39 | dark | what is the 'best' way of installing pidgin-latex on debian? |
| 01:44.58 | nvz | I weigh the probability of device failure over the importance of data. I've only in probably 15 years or so lost two filesystems, and recovered all data in both cases |
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| 01:47.05 | doomcup | Apparently xorg is using the radeonhd driver |
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| 01:47.16 | doomcup | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.19 | adb | dark, pidgin-latex is a debian package ? |
| 01:47.37 | doomcup | Which is wierd, becase I haven't had problems witht hte free drivers before |
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| 01:55.03 | cipitio | Hi |
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| 01:55.24 | dark | adb, i think no, i found some talk on mailing lists that looks like the creation of one, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509601 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520658 (pidgintex is actually a diferent plugin), the latter links to http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin-latex/ |
| 01:55.40 | doomcup | So |
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| 01:56.06 | doomcup | As for problems with X not starting at , what should I pastebin to help us sove the problem? |
| 01:56.31 | doomcup | Besides xorg.conf and the xorg logs? |
| 01:56.42 | dark | doomcup, I think these suffice |
| 01:56.53 | dark | do you have them? |
| 01:57.03 | doomcup | Getting them |
| 01:57.04 | JordiGH | The log is always very clear on what went kaput |
| 01:57.16 | doomcup | It's difficult to do from the console, but I think I can manage |
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| 01:57.21 | dark | here, /var/log/Xorg.*.log normally has interesting stuff |
| 01:58.03 | dark | doomcup, it's just a matter of uploading files, hmm.. |
| 01:58.21 | dark | you can copy them with screen and paste to a pastebin too :P |
| 01:58.44 | dark | but many pastebins will also accept attachments |
| 01:59.05 | dark | (you have a console web-browser, right?) |
| 01:59.09 | doomcup | I normally use pastebin.org |
| 01:59.15 | doomcup | Also yes, I have links installed |
| 01:59.36 | JordiGH | doomcup: It's good to get used to screen sooner than later too. |
| 01:59.52 | JordiGH | recently used screen to demonstrate the magic of multiplayer sysadminning. |
| 02:00.11 | doomcup | Oh |
| 02:00.26 | doomcup | I could also copy the files by sshing into the machine from my eeep |
| 02:00.42 | dark | :) i would upload to github.. |
| 02:00.52 | dark | or other service like that |
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| 02:03.30 | doomcup | My xorg.conf |
| 02:03.33 | doomcup | http://pastebin.org/150398 |
| 02:04.20 | JordiGH | doomcup: That's a big xorg.conf |
| 02:04.30 | doomcup | And log |
| 02:04.33 | doomcup | http://pastebin.org/150400 |
| 02:04.48 | doomcup | I generated that xorg.conf via "X -configure" |
| 02:05.06 | JordiGH | doomcup: Modern xorgs hardly need a xorg.conf |
| 02:05.20 | doomcup | I tried it without an xorg.conf too |
| 02:05.24 | doomcup | It didn't work that way either |
| 02:05.27 | dark | my xorg just contains nvidia stuff |
| 02:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have told about |
| 02:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebinit |
| 02:05.31 | dpkg | pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 02:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.02 | doomcup | Oh |
| 02:06.04 | dark | interesting CutMeOwnThroat =) |
| 02:06.05 | doomcup | That's helpful |
| 02:06.21 | dark | ;/dev/fb0 isn't needed anyway |
| 02:06.36 | doomcup | I'd like to mention, kms would be very nice |
| 02:06.48 | dark | doomcup, why? |
| 02:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's trying to use the framebuffer, but there is none |
| 02:07.18 | doomcup | Because a framebuffer of the console in my monitor's native resolution is easier on the eyes dark |
| 02:07.20 | dark | ah |
| 02:07.25 | doomcup | CutMeOwnThroat, oh |
| 02:07.33 | doomcup | So, what do I do about that? |
| 02:07.43 | dark | i confused /dev/fb0 with.. something related to diskettes.. |
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| 02:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually don't see from your xorg.conf why it'd use the framebuffer |
| 02:08.13 | doomcup | Probably kms |
| 02:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I've never used X via framebuffer myself |
| 02:08.29 | doomcup | My eeepc, also running debian squeeze, uses it |
| 02:08.35 | doomcup | It's very hand |
| 02:08.38 | doomcup | *handy |
| 02:08.51 | doomcup | instant switching from x to console |
| 02:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if it doesn't work |
| 02:08.57 | doomcup | Very true |
| 02:09.38 | doomcup | So now what? |
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| 02:09.48 | doomcup | Check aptitude for framebuffer stuff? |
| 02:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | check dmesg |
| 02:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this xorg.conf can't belong to this logfile |
| 02:11.06 | doomcup | Yeah, about that |
| 02:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Driver "radeon" wouldn't try to use framebuffer? |
| 02:11.19 | doomcup | Could you hang on just a moment |
| 02:11.32 | doomcup | Ah, I see |
| 02:11.51 | doomcup | My mate, who's a better linux guru than I am, has been messing with stuff trying to get it to work |
| 02:12.14 | doomcup | Lemme get an updated xorg.conf and logfile |
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| 02:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 02:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so |
| 02:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have that in the xorg.conf |
| 02:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | try without framebuffer |
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| 02:13.34 | doomcup | And how do you propose I do that? |
| 02:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove something like LoadModule: "fb..something" from xorg.conf? |
| 02:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but a matching config with a matching logfile would do for starters |
| 02:14.48 | doomcup | Hm |
| 02:14.53 | doomcup | Attempting pastebinit |
| 02:14.59 | doomcup | It's not really working |
| 02:16.19 | doomcup | I'll just scp them again |
| 02:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you install it? |
| 02:17.40 | doomcup | Yes, I did |
| 02:17.55 | doomcup | Here's the xorg.conf |
| 02:17.58 | doomcup | http://pastebin.org/150445 |
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| 02:18.47 | doomcup | And log |
| 02:18.50 | doomcup | http://pastebin.org/150446 |
| 02:21.43 | doomcup | Sorry i've been up two days straight |
| 02:21.48 | doomcup | I really need to get some sleep |
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| 02:22.26 | capitan | does anyone here know whether it's safe to use rsync to remotely fetch an rdiff-backup destination? meaning will all the rdiff-backup metadata be intact and usable to do a restore later? |
| 02:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the pciid of the card? lspci -nn |
| 02:23.54 | doomcup | Which part is the pciid? |
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| 02:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like [0000:0000] |
| 02:24.21 | doomcup | Okay |
| 02:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | your current logfile says (EE) RADEONHD(0): Unusupported PowerPlayInfo Revision |
| 02:24.35 | doomcup | It's [1002:940] |
| 02:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 1002:940 |
| 02:24.51 | dinya | hello all. i created directory named "data\r" on ntfs. and i cann't rename it over root even |
| 02:24.53 | doomcup | *It's [1002:9440] |
| 02:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 1002:9440 |
| 02:25.08 | judd | [1002:9440] is 'RV770 [Radeon HD 4870]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9440 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 02:25.15 | doomcup | Hm |
| 02:25.18 | doomcup | That's not right |
| 02:25.23 | doomcup | My card isn't agp |
| 02:25.28 | doomcup | It's pci-e |
| 02:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | would judd lie to us? |
| 02:25.42 | doomcup | And it's a Radeon HD 4860 |
| 02:25.44 | doomcup | I dunno |
| 02:25.50 | doomcup | Just doesn't seem right |
| 02:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I interpret the error that your card isn't supported |
| 02:26.01 | wols | radeon 4860 does not exist as a chip. ever |
| 02:26.08 | wols | and the agp part is fine |
| 02:26.11 | doomcup | Odd |
| 02:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever? |
| 02:26.19 | doomcup | The card worked fine before |
| 02:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even in future? |
| 02:26.26 | doomcup | Even under ubuntu |
| 02:27.01 | doomcup | Even under squeeze much earlier on |
| 02:27.04 | doomcup | So |
| 02:27.13 | doomcup | How do I get some sort of X working on my system |
| 02:27.16 | wols | it's a RV770 like all the r48xx ones. |
| 02:27.21 | wols | are you running lenny doomcup? |
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| 02:27.26 | doomcup | No |
| 02:27.32 | doomcup | I'm running squeeze |
| 02:28.16 | doomcup | But anyway, I'm really tired |
| 02:28.20 | doomcup | I just want it to work |
| 02:28.24 | wols | then your best bet is to wait for new ati fglrx drivers since currently, ati drivers don't work with current xorg |
| 02:28.25 | doomcup | I'll install stuff from sid |
| 02:28.37 | wols | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 02:28.39 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2 |
| 02:28.44 | doomcup | We are talking free drivers, right? |
| 02:28.49 | wols | no |
| 02:28.52 | doomcup | I'm not trying to use proprietary ones |
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| 02:29.04 | doomcup | And the free ones have worked before |
| 02:29.08 | doomcup | On different linuxes |
| 02:29.26 | dvs | doomcup: you're X won't start? |
| 02:29.29 | doomcup | Could it be your versions of the radeon and radeonhd drivers are out of date? |
| 02:29.38 | doomcup | dvs: right |
| 02:29.53 | doomcup | Oh |
| 02:29.58 | doomcup | A bit more information |
| 02:30.02 | dvs | doomcup: I use squeeze on my other computer with a Radeon 4850 and it's working fine. |
| 02:30.08 | doomcup | Where it worked before, it was using the radeon driver |
| 02:30.12 | doomcup | Not radeonhd |
| 02:30.36 | doomcup | So what I have to do is remove radeonhd and install some sort of framebuffer |
| 02:30.41 | doomcup | Is what I'm gathering |
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| 02:32.26 | doomcup | So what packages have framebuffer stuff? |
| 02:32.32 | dvs | doomcup: what kernel are you using? |
| 02:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | vesa is also a free driver |
| 02:33.17 | doomcup | The latest one, I think |
| 02:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.4.20? |
| 02:33.27 | doomcup | I'd like to avoid vesa unless necessary |
| 02:33.29 | doomcup | No |
| 02:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.2.1? |
| 02:33.38 | doomcup | 2.6.32.something-3 |
| 02:33.47 | dvs | that's the latest for squeeze |
| 02:34.02 | adb | doomcup, uname -r , says ? |
| 02:34.38 | doomcup | 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 02:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that won't be out-of-date much |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | not at all |
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| 02:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was inaggerating |
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| 02:37.27 | chillindave | Hey, I'm having a little trouble getting a crontab job to run. Here's what I have: http://pastebin.com/XPEVxFim |
| 02:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you specify full paths? |
| 02:37.56 | chillindave | The command runs just fine from the CLI (starting at the "cd" command). |
| 02:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no you didn't |
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| 02:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mail is in /usr/bin |
| 02:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is not in your path in cron jobs |
| 02:38.39 | jpwhiting | hey all, upgrading from lenny to testing and having issues |
| 02:38.48 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, Oh, so mail can't be ran like that from cron? |
| 02:38.51 | jpwhiting | udev wont install because it says it needs a kernel upgrade at the same time |
| 02:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | specify full paths |
| 02:39.08 | jpwhiting | which package do I need to update to get udev to update? |
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| 02:39.12 | jpwhiting | linux-image? |
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| 02:39.28 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, Ok, but the archive still isn't being created. |
| 02:40.27 | chillindave | And just to be clear, I added it to /etc/crontab file . . . that's correct? |
| 02:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:41.16 | chillindave | Is that the correct crontab file? |
| 02:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always run crontab -e |
| 02:42.28 | jpwhiting | yeah, crontab -e is better |
| 02:42.50 | jpwhiting | editing /etc/crontab who knows when the cron process will check the file again... |
| 02:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/crontab claims it's not needed for it |
| 02:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the comments inside it |
| 02:43.12 | jpwhiting | that too |
| 02:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' command to install the new version when you edit this file and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, that none of the other crontabs do |
| 02:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | says my /etc/crontab |
| 02:44.17 | chillindave | So basically /etc/crontab is the wrong file to use, right? When I ran crontab -e, it was empty. |
| 02:44.33 | chillindave | Yeah, mine does too. |
| 02:44.33 | jpwhiting | chillindave: yes, because you didn't add anything in there yet :) |
| 02:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually your syntax is wrong for /etc/crontab |
| 02:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the comment from it that I pasted above |
| 02:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 02:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not |
| 02:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I take it back |
| 02:46.36 | chillindave | Why is it saving the file as /tmp/crontab.NtSKq8/crontab ? |
| 02:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not |
| 02:46.45 | chillindave | That's not right is it? |
| 02:46.50 | chillindave | Oh, ok. |
| 02:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're saving into a copy |
| 02:47.30 | chillindave | Alright, I'll give it a minute and see if anything happens. |
| 02:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and crontab does with the copy whatever crontab does |
| 02:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 02:48.17 | chillindave | So after I add that and save it, it should start running every minute, right? |
| 02:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should get an email with the error if the cronjob is executed and fails |
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| 02:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or after-someone-pushed-your-dead-body-into-the-river |
| 02:52.06 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, Nothing. |
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| 03:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 03:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try something simpler, like creating /tmp/blah |
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| 03:08.46 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, Like **** root mkdir /tmp/special |
| 03:08.47 | chillindave | ? |
| 03:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you use crontab -e you don't specify the username |
| 03:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's spaces between the stars and there's 5 entries for times |
| 03:10.43 | rryouumaa | i have a file on my fs that apparently has a newline in it. what's a good way to find it? |
| 03:11.15 | rryouumaa | "find . -regex glutamine.gif -print0|xargs -0 echo" does not seem to work |
| 03:13.09 | karlpinc | rryouumaa: In bash you can use $'foo\nbar' to insert a newline from the command line. There's more portable ways to do this but this is what's in my brain. |
| 03:13.31 | rryouumaa | karlpinc: thing is, i only know that part of the name |
| 03:14.38 | karlpinc | rryouumaa: "-name 'foo*bar'" does shell-like globbing. |
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| 03:15.10 | karlpinc | rryouumaa: -name '*glutamine.gif*' |
| 03:15.10 | rryouumaa | ok, that might work, thanks |
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| 03:16.41 | tensorpudding | ,versions binutils-gold |
| 03:16.43 | judd | binutils-gold -- lenny-backports: 2.20-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-5; squeeze: 2.20.1-5; experimental: 2.20.51.20100405-1 |
| 03:16.54 | rryouumaa | found the sucker |
| 03:17.06 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, I dunno, I'm just not seeing what I'm doing wrong. |
| 03:22.59 | chillindave | CutMeOwnThroat, Wait a sec, I think I figured it out. |
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| 03:42.23 | asarch | Hi guys. How can I get the PDF version of the GNUCash help? |
| 03:42.34 | asarch | I would like to print its entire help file |
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| 03:57.53 | _Maru_ | hi |
| 03:57.57 | _Maru_ | error: Unable to migrate to dependency based boot sequencing. |
| 03:57.57 | _Maru_ | error: Problems detected: package dhcdbd removed but not purged |
| 03:58.13 | _Maru_ | but when I try to apt-get purge dhcdbd I get |
| 03:58.26 | _Maru_ | Package dhcdbd is not installed, so not removed |
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| 04:03.09 | wols | apt cannot purge not installed packages. use dpkg |
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| 04:28.07 | blubbi_ | hi, can anyone tell me, why mdadm creates a raid 5 with a spare when I issue this command: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md3 --level=5 --raid-devices=5 /dev/sd[c,d,e,f,g]1 |
| 04:28.58 | blubbi_ | md3 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdg1[5](S) sdf1[3] sde1[2] sdd1[1] sdc1[0] |
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| 04:29.12 | blubbi_ | I don't wnat any spare! |
| 04:30.11 | eccentric | try specifying zero spare devices (-x 0) |
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| 04:31.01 | blubbi_ | same |
| 04:31.07 | blubbi_ | md3 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdg1[5](S) sdf1[3] sde1[2] sdd1[1] sdc1[0] |
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| 04:40.01 | eccentric | blubbi_: oh, it looks like mdadm does that on purpose, way down in the manpage it says: When creating a RAID5 array, mdadm will automatically create a degraded array with an extra spare drive. This is because building the spare into a degraded array is in general faster than resyncing the parity on a non-degraded, but not clean, array. This feature can be overridden with the --force option. |
| 04:40.54 | blubbi_ | mmh, okay, this was exactly how I did it now... hot removed the spare and hot added the spare... |
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| 04:42.40 | blubbi_ | anyway, i dont see the problem.. syncing is tranparent, so actually it does not cost you any time... |
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| 04:47.38 | blubbi_ | thanks for the help |
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| 05:03.53 | MorkBork | is there any support in ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces, etc) for dhcpv6 |
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| 05:04.05 | MorkBork | either isc dhcp4 or wide-dhcpv6? |
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| 05:30.55 | nocturnus | lp: Unsupported format 'application/pdf'! |
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| 05:38.28 | chillindave | Does anyone know how to control what emails are sent via exim4? I only want emails from php to send, but every system mail is being sent and using up all of my SMTP relays. |
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| 05:43.13 | pallgone | how do I change/add the language in GNOME? |
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| 05:44.21 | pallgone | I have us english now and would also like to have german as GUI language |
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| 05:46.53 | nocturnus | install locale for it |
| 05:47.14 | nocturnus | there's gotta be a guide for that kind of thing, i think your problem is just that you don't know the keywords to search for |
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| 05:48.33 | pallgone | nocturnus: I' |
| 05:48.46 | nocturnus | pallgone: I what? |
| 05:48.47 | nocturnus | ipod? |
| 05:49.30 | pallgone | I'm trying to find out if debian is suitable for normal users... |
| 05:50.20 | pallgone | so installing another language should be trivial... but it doesn't seem to be |
| 05:50.37 | nocturnus | well i'm not sure if extensive testing has been done on humans, but i know for sure that advanced space races can use it, and its definetely not suitible for crocodiles, lemurs, or amphibians |
| 05:51.21 | nocturnus | linux is definitely not trivial, or intuitive |
| 05:51.23 | pallgone | fedora: system > administration > language > reboot > done |
| 05:51.32 | nocturnus | oh cool |
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| 05:55.53 | morphix | I am using the netinstall iso, it appears to install base and then download and install the rest of the crap, such as xorg, gnome, etc. All i want is a netboot to install the base system only, i dont want anything else. |
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| 06:02.06 | pallgone | morphix: just deselect the desktop environment |
| 06:02.06 | Rapsodius | Hello, each time I open a GTK app under a console I get the following: "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" |
| 06:02.07 | peterrooney | morphix: check your debconf level. |
| 06:02.16 | simonrvn | then pay attention to what you're doing; it installs the desktop task |
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| 06:02.43 | morphix | seems.. the previous iso got must have been someones custom image with preseed |
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| 06:02.57 | morphix | redownloaded the iso and now it presents the deselect options during install :) |
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| 06:04.52 | morphix | Well here is another question which you may be able to help... I am trying to share the internet coming in from LAN via wifi.. i can share the internet fine via the wifi, unencrypted.. can someone give me some info in how to have the wifi connection use wpa? (only using terminal) |
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| 06:07.19 | Rapsodius | I know it says is a warning, but the gtk theme looks different from screenshots of it, and I get many of those warnings |
| 06:08.00 | simonrvn | need pixmap engine |
| 06:08.09 | Rapsodius | tried looking for pixmap-engine in aptitude but doesn't appear |
| 06:08.41 | simonrvn | apt-cache search pixmap engine |
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| 06:09.29 | Rapsodius | simonrvn: this is the 2-line result |
| 06:09.30 | Rapsodius | gtk2-engines-sapwood-dbg - Pixbuf-based theme engine for GTK+ 2.x -- debug symbolsrngtk2-engines-sapwood - Pixbuf-based theme engine for GTK+ 2.x |
| 06:09.36 | Rapsodius | only that |
| 06:09.49 | Rapsodius | and eterm |
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| 06:11.35 | simonrvn | try gtk2-engines-pixbuf |
| 06:12.20 | simonrvn | the pixmap engine got merged with a larger package with other ones; but pixmap might've been removed. |
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| 06:13.56 | Rapsodius | oh noes! |
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| 06:14.26 | Rapsodius | after installing gtk2-engines pixbuf, I get an overwhelming stream of messages |
| 06:14.47 | Rapsodius | whenever some gtk2 app is started |
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| 06:16.28 | Rapsodius | GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_whatever: assertion 'GDK_IS_PIXBUF (pixbuf)' failed |
| 06:16.29 | simonrvn | like what? |
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| 06:17.09 | Rapsodius | replace whatever with, well, so many things to be written |
| 06:18.29 | simonrvn | is it crashing it? if not, ignore it, or check the bts if you wanna help fix it :P. i wouldn't worry about it too much, IIRC it's going to get removed in gtk3. |
| 06:19.00 | Rapsodius | bts? |
| 06:19.11 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 06:19.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 06:20.25 | Rapsodius | well, it's not crashing it, however the theme is more approximately like what it should be, but I can't get the scrollbar slider |
| 06:21.50 | Rapsodius | and also, don't know where the bug is. sounds like a bug of the pixbuf package, but perhaps I missed to install some other package |
| 06:22.41 | simonrvn | doubt it's the latter |
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| 06:23.05 | simonrvn | feed reportbug the package name and it'll file it to the right source package |
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| 06:30.26 | shylent | hmm, dpkg -l |
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| 06:33.18 | Rapsodius | simonrvn: reportbug founds some similar behaviour, so I'm to check it |
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| 06:38.17 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 06:39.49 | Newers | im trying to install debian net install on a Lenovo ThinkCentre 7360CTO, but it cannot recognize my ethernet card. It has a Intel 82567LM and the e1000e driver should support this. What can i do? |
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| 06:44.30 | hanibanaa | hi al |
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| 06:47.45 | dondelelcaro | hanibanaa: not really, because in most cases the storage requirement would be excessive, and the downloads are small enough not to matter |
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| 06:52.19 | hanibanaa | dondelelcaro: I had experience with decreasing an about 300 M update to around 60 M at fedora. In't it worth having for disto's like ubuntu... ? |
| 06:52.32 | hanibanaa | *Isn't |
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| 08:07.13 | jelly-home | Dad`: install ca-certificates package |
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| 08:11.30 | simonrvn | test |
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| 08:14.05 | simonrvn | 'your' |
| 08:14.44 | simonrvn | unless you meant that another way, then i can see 'you're' |
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| 08:23.45 | jnewt | when a user saves a file to the machine from his laptop, the other users can only open read only, or save a copy. how do i fix this so when he saves it, it is able to be opened by anyone in the group staff? |
| 08:24.38 | jnewt | maybe this is better asked in linux (not just a debian issue)? |
| 08:24.48 | Dad` | jelly-home: Thanks ;) |
| 08:24.56 | et | this is better asked with more precise information |
| 08:24.59 | et | how does he "save" it? |
| 08:25.30 | jnewt | either save as, or drag it to the network place from his machine (win xp) |
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| 08:26.05 | et | so he uses samba? |
| 08:26.12 | jnewt | yes, we all do. |
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| 08:26.21 | et | that is the essential information |
| 08:26.37 | jnewt | it's not isolated to him either, if one of the others do this, it also occurs to everone else. |
| 08:26.48 | et | well, change the samba configuration then. |
| 08:27.22 | jnewt | can you provide any more information? |
| 08:27.55 | et | i don't know what the settings are called, you'll have to consult the documentation |
| 08:28.16 | et | probably obvious when you look at the config file, too |
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| 08:28.48 | et | (anything related to umask/user/groupid is interesting) |
| 08:29.26 | Arrowmaster | yes that is entirely a samba configuration issue and can be solved entirely by changing the samba configuration and nothing else |
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| 08:32.05 | jelly | jnewt: which OS do the clients use? Which OS on the samba server? Version of samba? Do you have a user/group database on the samba server? There are so many issues. |
| 08:32.19 | jelly | probably better to ask a samba channel |
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| 08:38.51 | uweg | Hello, I have a short question: After installing debian, GRUB shows an error21 when I try to boot into the system. I can however start in the shell mode and mount the disk and the disk definitely exists. Do you know what I might be able to do? |
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| 09:02.45 | epsilon | I'm building a kernel on 4core system, but c compile is only running only once on one kernel... how can I run parallel on all cores? |
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| 09:03.58 | E-bola | think its -j3 or something |
| 09:04.54 | lindi- | epsilon: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL with make-kpkg |
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| 09:08.35 | FardadJalili | I am currently using ubuntu, and I was thinking of testing debian after ubuntu 10.04, any thoughts or advices? |
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| 09:08.53 | FardadJalili | I mean after 10.04 released |
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| 09:10.27 | jelly | "try it and see for yourself" |
| 09:11.09 | jelly | !tell FardadJalili about why debian |
| 09:11.29 | FardadJalili | I already think debian is better! |
| 09:11.35 | FardadJalili | that's why I want to change |
| 09:12.00 | FardadJalili | I meant if you are going to suggest me one of those debians :p |
| 09:12.41 | petemc | there can be only one |
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| 09:14.01 | Cronix | hi all |
| 09:14.09 | FardadJalili | so it doesn't differ if I try the "stable" one or "unstable" one or ...? |
| 09:14.44 | Cronix | anyone has an idea why i can't open any outbound connection from my debian server? |
| 09:14.52 | Cronix | inbound connections are working fine |
| 09:15.03 | Cronix | but everything outbound just fails |
| 09:15.05 | petemc | FardadJalili: those are releases, its not recommended to use unstable unless you know what you're doing |
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| 09:15.41 | iceroot | FardadJalili: if you want a distri with actual packages and patches, use ubuntu, if you want a ultra-stable distri with old packages use debian |
| 09:16.33 | Cronix | ok apt-get still works... |
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| 09:16.43 | Cronix | but i cant ping, wget, dig |
| 09:16.46 | Cronix | for eg |
| 09:17.46 | DipSwitch | Cronix, is your network properly setup? |
| 09:17.54 | Cronix | jup |
| 09:17.59 | Cronix | it worked before |
| 09:18.02 | DipSwitch | what error do you get? |
| 09:18.29 | Cronix | ping google.de for eg |
| 09:18.37 | Cronix | ping: unknown host: google.de |
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| 09:18.53 | Cronix | ping an ip |
| 09:18.54 | petemc | Cronix: can you ping your gateway ip address? |
| 09:19.00 | Cronix | 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1015ms |
| 09:19.04 | Cronix | no i cant ping it |
| 09:19.08 | petemc | Cronix: did you install or configure a firewall? |
| 09:19.12 | Cronix | nope |
| 09:19.32 | DipSwitch | probably your router is down, or your network didn't setup correctly |
| 09:19.34 | Cronix | its totally strange |
| 09:19.39 | Cronix | my router is up |
| 09:19.40 | DipSwitch | you can check this by using route |
| 09:19.46 | Cronix | i can ping it from my client |
| 09:20.03 | DipSwitch | dhcp configuration? |
| 09:20.20 | Cronix | http://pastebin.com/AuQaP8vX |
| 09:20.24 | Cronix | no static ip |
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| 09:20.51 | Cronix | http://pastebin.com/DzzLPRSm |
| 09:21.20 | DipSwitch | 192.168.100.254 is the ip of your router you're shure of that? |
| 09:21.25 | Cronix | jep |
| 09:21.26 | Cronix | 100% |
| 09:21.26 | DipSwitch | did you play with iptables? |
| 09:21.33 | Cronix | my windows client uses the same config |
| 09:21.37 | Cronix | and works fine |
| 09:21.53 | Cronix | the iptables kernel module isnt even loaded |
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| 09:22.20 | DipSwitch | xD no ip collission aswell? |
| 09:22.26 | Cronix | and i can ping the server just fine |
| 09:22.46 | Cronix | how do i check that? |
| 09:23.00 | Cronix | afaik its the only machine using the 230 ip |
| 09:23.14 | DipSwitch | you can check that by using: sudo arp |
| 09:23.16 | rvsjoen | are you saying that ping 192.168.100.254 does not work ? |
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| 09:23.34 | DipSwitch | but if you can ping server there shouldn't be the problem |
| 09:23.48 | Cronix | arp table looks good |
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| 09:24.24 | Cronix | rvsjoen: not only 254, every outbound ping, wget or dig |
| 09:24.38 | Cronix | idk if there is anything else cause i didnt tryed so far |
| 09:24.51 | rvsjoen | outbound as in same-subnet, or any outbound |
| 09:24.54 | Cronix | ok lynx also fails |
| 09:25.00 | Cronix | any outbound |
| 09:25.04 | Cronix | but apt-get works |
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| 09:26.04 | DipSwitch | Cronix, take a look in /etc/hosts.allowed and /etc/hosts.denied |
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| 09:26.32 | Cronix | DipSwitch: both empty just comments |
| 09:26.43 | DipSwitch | meh |
| 09:26.56 | Cronix | this is totally confusing me |
| 09:27.07 | Cronix | i dont wat to reinstall this thing |
| 09:27.16 | Cronix | cause its our EIB home automation server |
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| 09:27.28 | Cronix | and i was horrible to get eibd running properly |
| 09:27.32 | rvsjoen | pings don't care about tcpwrappers anyway |
| 09:27.40 | Cronix | *it |
| 09:27.55 | DipSwitch | did any sellinux config? |
| 09:28.04 | DipSwitch | -l |
| 09:28.27 | Cronix | w8 |
| 09:28.32 | Cronix | lemme check my kernel config |
| 09:29.46 | Cronix | nope |
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| 09:30.49 | Cronix | lsmod: http://pastebin.com/2pstkwk1 |
| 09:31.07 | Robuster | is base64 encoder not included in coreutils in debian? i checked 'man base64' and its there, but command base64 is not working |
| 09:31.31 | imganquan | hi all. how to track the system calls invoked by a application? I mean, not use gdb. Thanks |
| 09:31.49 | Cronix | imganquan: tryed strace? |
| 09:32.06 | imganquan | Cronix: let me see . thanks Cronix |
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| 09:32.35 | Cronix | np |
| 09:33.22 | rvsjoen | ok, pastebin the output of this: ip a;ip r;ifconfig -a;iptables-save; for x in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/*; do echo $x $(cat $x); done |
| 09:33.23 | DipSwitch | syslog also isn't telling anything :/ |
| 09:33.31 | rvsjoen | and add 'ethtool eth0' on top of that |
| 09:34.03 | Cronix | http://pastebin.com/sjLnTi1V |
| 09:34.41 | Cronix | ethtool: http://pastebin.com/fV1zXDJk |
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| 09:35.37 | rvsjoen | there's nothing wrong with either of those, there must be some filtering further up the food chain |
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| 09:36.38 | Cronix | herm |
| 09:36.40 | Cronix | as root |
| 09:36.42 | Cronix | i can wget |
| 09:36.48 | Cronix | but till not ping |
| 09:36.57 | rvsjoen | ping may be blocked |
| 09:37.00 | Cronix | hm |
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| 09:37.09 | rvsjoen | a lot of routers drop pings |
| 09:37.17 | Cronix | jup could be |
| 09:37.20 | Cronix | so |
| 09:37.27 | Cronix | as root dig and wget works |
| 09:37.30 | Cronix | but not as user |
| 09:38.02 | Cronix | gettin closer... ^^ |
| 09:38.22 | imganquan | Cronix: strace works great, thank you good man. |
| 09:38.30 | Cronix | no prob ;) |
| 09:38.32 | Lazy^ | Hi, i want to create a user which doens't show up on gnome login-screen or that user isn't allowed to login to X. What is the best way to do this. One thing is that other users must be listed on gnome login screen.... |
| 09:39.04 | DipSwitch | user is member of dialout? although i tought dialout was only for old dialin modems |
| 09:39.08 | DipSwitch | @ Cronix |
| 09:39.11 | kazaa_lite | hi all..... why do i see dvd1,2,3,4,5.ISO images for 32bit debaian 5.0.4 everywhere? |
| 09:39.28 | kazaa_lite | cannot we have 1 dvd for it? just like x86_64? |
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| 09:40.15 | DipSwitch | you don't really need all dvd's dvd1 includes most important / used packages |
| 09:40.59 | DipSwitch | Lazy^, you could make a system user or dis allow shell access? |
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| 09:42.02 | Mowee | Hi |
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| 09:42.32 | Cronix | DipSwitch: i added the user to dialout now but that didnt changed anything |
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| 09:43.03 | linduxed | im trying to write a script that downloads a file from my server (containing a list of urls to videos), makes wget parse that list of urls, download into a specific folder and then remove the file on the server |
| 09:43.06 | DipSwitch | Cronix, was afraid of that :( |
| 09:43.17 | linduxed | the script is currently at this stage: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/201694/ |
| 09:43.44 | linduxed | my problems are that i don't know how to do the deletion part |
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| 09:44.19 | linduxed | also, i'd like to shorten the names of the files (or truncate) because some of the files get rediculously long names |
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| 09:45.18 | linduxed | apart from that i was wondering if there is an option in wget that i could use so i don't have to use the pushd and popd commands |
| 09:45.34 | kazaa_lite | cool |
| 09:45.41 | Cronix | linduxed: man wget |
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| 09:46.02 | linduxed | Cronix: i've already done that, i didn't find anything |
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| 09:46.29 | DipSwitch | linduxed, you could use wget -m = mirroring |
| 09:46.30 | Cronix | sry, but as i dont know what pushd and popd are doing i cant tell you |
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| 09:46.57 | linduxed | pushes the current directory on the stack, changes to ~ |
| 09:47.02 | linduxed | that |
| 09:47.10 | linduxed | *that's pushd |
| 09:47.26 | linduxed | popd = cd to the directory on top of the stack |
| 09:47.34 | linduxed | pop directory |
| 09:48.31 | DipSwitch | linduxed, for remote deletion take a look at this: http://bashcurescancer.com/run_remote_commands_with_ssh.html |
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| 10:01.36 | mercutio22 | is "i386" the same thing as "x86"? |
| 10:01.45 | azeem | sort of |
| 10:02.04 | mercutio22 | azeem: whats the difference? |
| 10:02.18 | azeem | that depends on the context |
| 10:02.31 | mercutio22 | on the context of cpu architectures |
| 10:02.33 | azeem | do you know what the difference between i486 and i586 is? |
| 10:02.41 | azeem | both are x86 |
| 10:02.44 | mercutio22 | I am trying to learn the notation |
| 10:02.45 | mercutio22 | ok |
| 10:02.49 | mercutio22 | no.. |
| 10:02.50 | azeem | mercutio22: this is off-topic here |
| 10:03.06 | jelly | ##hardware ? |
| 10:03.12 | mercutio22 | alright |
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| 10:13.17 | ark3qqq | Does aptitude automatically installed packages that are in the Recommends list? |
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| 10:13.55 | elvish | if you want it to... |
| 10:14.11 | elvish | !aptitude |
| 10:14.11 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 10:15.03 | ark3qqq | elvish: I asked the question the wrong way around. How do I make it not install recommended stuff? I'll take a look at that wiki page anyhow. |
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| 10:16.38 | elvish | ark3qqq: I believe you can set that up in aptitude - take a look at it when you call it in the terminal: just type aptitude |
| 10:17.07 | ark3qqq | elvish: Ack. I like to pretend that ncurses mode doesn't exist. |
| 10:17.17 | karme | ark3qqq: man aptitude: -R, --without-recommends |
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| 10:18.28 | ark3qqq | karme: Thanks. I think I typoed when I search the manual before, missed it as a result. |
| 10:18.53 | ark3qqq | reccomend -- ugh. |
| 10:19.15 | academy | How can I select everything not patching an expression in bash? I want to do something like this: mv !*.sh dir/ -- i.e. move everything without the .sh extension into dir |
| 10:19.27 | academy | *matchin |
| 10:19.27 | academy | g |
| 10:19.42 | petemc | use find |
| 10:19.52 | DipSwitch | ark3qqq, yes it does |
| 10:20.08 | ark3qqq | DipSwitch: Indeed. Thanks. |
| 10:20.22 | DipSwitch | nvm scrolled to far back ^^ |
| 10:20.30 | academy | petemc, ok - I just thought it might be possible in bash |
| 10:20.33 | ark3qqq | academy: Another, perhaps gross approach, would be to move everything that matches out of the way first. |
| 10:20.47 | themill | academy: look at "extglob" in man bash. (#bash might be more help) |
| 10:20.49 | academy | ark3qqq, that's what I do at the moment :) |
| 10:20.56 | elvish | ark3qqq: I think the Idea was to pull in recommends by default because that's what upstream for most packages deem necessary to make their stuff work really well... |
| 10:21.32 | karme | ark3qqq: see also man apt-get and search for APT::Install-Recommends |
| 10:21.43 | ark3qqq | elvish: Generally I agree with the choices. I just don't see the need to install all of GCJ just to get ant, given I'm using OpenJDK. |
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| 10:22.21 | academy | themill, ahh - I wonder why it isn't on by default. Thanks |
| 10:22.52 | themill | academy: it is if you import bash_completion... |
| 10:23.11 | tenzind | in dpkg -l <pkgname> what does rc mean? |
| 10:23.18 | elvish | ark3qqq: So that's why I use aptitude when I'm setting up a new install quickly, and trim with apt and friends... |
| 10:23.34 | themill | ark3qqq: most of the time it makes sense, just occasionally, you want to stop it doing something like that. |
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| 10:23.47 | themill | elvish: that makes no sense at all. apt-get has the same behaviour. |
| 10:23.58 | themill | tenzind: try reading the first 3 lines of the output |
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| 10:24.48 | ark3qqq | elvish: with tasksel for broad swathes...? |
| 10:25.34 | elvish | themill: ?? apt-get behaves the same as aptitude? I think not... |
| 10:25.47 | themill | dpkg: tell elvish about apt recommends |
| 10:25.53 | elvish | ark3qqq: yep... |
| 10:26.18 | themill | elvish: both aptitude and apt-get install recommended packages by default. |
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| 10:27.22 | elvish | themill: so, they behave exactly the same way out of the box? |
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| 10:27.55 | imganquan | hi all. I have two PCs in an office network. PC 1 can receive the packets come from PC 2,but can not reply, I use ifconfig eth0 on PC1, i found some error packets, how to find out the where the reply packets are? |
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| 10:28.16 | themill | elvish: that's what I said, yes |
| 10:28.22 | elvish | !whynot aptitude |
| 10:28.34 | elvish | !why not aptitude |
| 10:28.34 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 10:28.58 | elvish | !why aptitude |
| 10:28.58 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 10:29.19 | bkjoe | !confuse elvish |
| 10:29.19 | dpkg | Yes, how is our gouda yesterday, elvish? Trousers of the Dictatorship of Swaziland with extra cheese. |
| 10:29.34 | ribasushi | aptitude ftw, helps count every mb |
| 10:29.42 | elvish | heh,,, |
| 10:29.44 | ribasushi | pesky "recommends" |
| 10:29.46 | ark3qqq | Extra cheese? Wow. |
| 10:30.11 | ark3qqq | Anyhow, thanks all. |
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| 10:30.45 | elvish | I'm old... |
| 10:31.13 | bkjoe | i'm also bored. |
| 10:31.54 | ribasushi | elvish: so does this factoid imply there is a movement to deprecate fine-grained apt managers e.g. aptitude ? |
| 10:31.59 | bkjoe | okay pop quiz..i have 6 1u servers i need to colo as sql servers |
| 10:32.05 | ribasushi | that'd be ueber sad |
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| 10:32.57 | bkjoe | i'm going to line them in styrofoam in 2 hours and ship them off to a datacenter in virginia |
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| 10:33.29 | elvish | ribasushi: why not? make me feel younger... |
| 10:33.33 | bkjoe | anything fun i should to first? |
| 10:33.35 | ribasushi | bkjoe: ship them to me |
| 10:34.06 | bkjoe | think a datacenter would be more useful |
| 10:34.10 | ribasushi | elvish: truth hurts, live with it |
| 10:34.15 | ribasushi | bkjoe: nuh-uh |
| 10:34.24 | ribasushi | bkjoe: you know how fat of a pipe I have?! |
| 10:34.35 | bkjoe | heh |
| 10:34.41 | bkjoe | go on |
| 10:34.56 | bkjoe | and not in the colloqual method |
| 10:35.33 | bkjoe | 3 are needed, 3 are toys |
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| 10:36.55 | bkjoe | !insult bkjoe |
| 10:36.56 | dpkg | You are nothing but a petrified gob of gorbellied pus |
| 10:37.04 | bkjoe | goodie |
| 10:37.26 | ribasushi | !insult bkjoe |
| 10:37.27 | dpkg | bkjoe is nothing but an it-fowling ooze of malodorous pond scum |
| 10:37.45 | bkjoe | !insult dpkg |
| 10:37.46 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but an evil puddle of fulminating pond scum |
| 10:38.03 | bkjoe | how rude |
| 10:38.35 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 10:38.36 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 10:43.11 | nsadmin | dpkg: it's always pond scum with you! can't you be more creative than that? |
| 10:43.12 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, nsadmin |
| 10:44.17 | bkjoe | dpkg: can you fornicate yourself with a spork? |
| 10:44.19 | dpkg | bkjoe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 10:44.25 | bkjoe | heh |
| 10:44.59 | nsadmin | !insult a breadbox |
| 10:45.01 | dpkg | a breadbox is nothing but a beslubbering assload of gorbellied urine samples |
| 10:45.36 | bkjoe | i |
| 10:45.49 | bkjoe | er..i'm nto educated enough to decipher that |
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| 10:46.23 | bkjoe | but abusing dpkg can be great fun, for the entire family |
| 10:46.55 | Cronix | any1 knows why i cant reach the network as user but as root it works fine in debian lenny? |
| 10:47.11 | themill | bkjoe: perhaps you'd like to do it in a /msg then so we don't all have to watch |
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| 10:47.37 | nsadmin | Cronix: show how you try to reach the network as user |
| 10:47.41 | bkjoe | i'm about done, captain buzkill |
| 10:47.49 | Cronix | wget, nslookup, dig ping etc |
| 10:48.06 | nsadmin | and how do you know it's failing? |
| 10:48.08 | Cronix | can even ping any machine in the intranet |
| 10:48.14 | bkjoe | and who gives an ass at 4:30am |
| 10:48.25 | cantido | bkjoe: its not 4:30am here |
| 10:48.41 | Cronix | i know it fails cause debian tells me it fails |
| 10:48.49 | nsadmin | exact text? |
| 10:48.56 | behrad | please introduce me sipclient that support G729 |
| 10:49.01 | cantido | Cronix: if you ping a post what output do you get? |
| 10:49.08 | Cronix | [12:48:54]cronix@eib:~$ ping google.de ping: unknown host google.de |
| 10:49.19 | cantido | You resolver config is broken |
| 10:49.21 | jelly | Cronix: does "getent hosts google.de" work as root, but not as user? |
| 10:49.26 | cantido | s/you/your/ |
| 10:49.35 | Cronix | cantido: no its not |
| 10:49.42 | Cronix | cause i cant even ping ip's |
| 10:49.47 | Cronix | and i cant wget |
| 10:49.53 | cantido | Cronix: what happens when you ping an ip? |
| 10:49.54 | Cronix | and also lynx fails |
| 10:50.00 | bkjoe | echo 8.8.8.4 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:50.04 | Cronix | i get packet loss 100% |
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| 10:50.13 | Cronix | bkjoe: it works as root |
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| 10:50.18 | Cronix | so my resolver isnt the problem |
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| 10:50.21 | jelly | bkjoe: you meant 8.8.4.4, or 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:50.22 | cantido | Cronix: all these apps depend on the same underlying systems.. so of course they won't work |
| 10:50.37 | nsadmin | Cronix: ping 216.239.59.104 (as user) |
| 10:50.39 | themill | bkjoe: rambling on like a madman is one thing... giving bad advice is another. Please go to bed. |
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| 10:50.53 | Cronix | ping 216.239.59.104 PING 216.239.59.104 (216.239.59.104) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- 216.239.59.104 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1014ms |
| 10:51.15 | nsadmin | so it's also blocked |
| 10:51.19 | nsadmin | as root? |
| 10:51.26 | Cronix | as root it works fine |
| 10:51.47 | cantido | iptables can have per-user rules can't it? |
| 10:51.55 | Cronix | iptables isnt loaded |
| 10:51.56 | jelly | Cronix: please pastebin the output of "strace getent hosts google.de" as root and as user. |
| 10:52.04 | nsadmin | perhaps it has nothing to do with the resolver even though the first message we see is unknown host |
| 10:52.26 | nsadmin | resolution was just the first network attempt the ping made |
| 10:52.30 | cantido | well, if he can't contact any hosts he wont be able to contact the dns server either ;) |
| 10:52.44 | nsadmin | exactly, but we had to see that |
| 10:53.01 | Cronix | jelly, as root. http://pastebin.com/tfZWQjkR |
| 10:53.42 | nsadmin | tmp dir? permissions on /etc? |
| 10:53.46 | Cronix | AND AS USER. http://pastebin.com/vzr9GMir |
| 10:54.06 | nsadmin | ls -ld /etc /tmp |
| 10:54.13 | nsadmin | should be two lines |
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| 10:54.42 | Cronix | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/yxxiHeRd |
| 10:54.45 | themill | open("/etc/resolv.conf", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) *blink* |
| 10:54.47 | cantido | yeah, you should be able to read /etc/resolv.conf :/ |
| 10:54.54 | Cronix | er |
| 10:54.57 | Cronix | FUX |
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| 10:55.30 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.30 | Cronix | -.- |
| 10:55.32 | jelly | that rhymes with "my sysadmin sux" |
| 10:55.46 | Cronix | yeh kinda |
| 10:55.49 | Cronix | wtf |
| 10:55.51 | Cronix | lol |
| 10:55.52 | nsadmin | my fifadmin fux? |
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| 10:56.17 | nsadmin | ls -l /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:56.20 | Cronix | what an epic failure |
| 10:56.23 | jelly | Cronix: heed cantido's advice. |
| 10:56.28 | Cronix | just fixed it |
| 10:56.30 | Cronix | lmao |
| 10:56.33 | jelly | !enter |
| 10:56.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:56.38 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 10:56.57 | jelly | had go-r on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:57.02 | Cronix | like they said, perms on resolv.conf ... |
| 10:57.12 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 10:57.16 | cantido | so if reading /etc/resolv.conf fails it just all out fails |
| 10:57.25 | cantido | nice |
| 10:57.44 | nsadmin | but how did that deny pings |
| 10:57.51 | jelly | !next |
| 10:57.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:57.55 | Cronix | i just checked again |
| 10:58.04 | nsadmin | Cronix: ping 216.239.59.104 (as user) |
| 10:58.05 | Cronix | nsadmin: my router blocks pings |
| 10:58.06 | jelly | nsadmin: ping is a separate issue |
| 10:58.14 | nsadmin | oh |
| 10:58.21 | Cronix | just forgot about that |
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| 10:58.32 | cantido | Cronix: so things are working now? |
| 10:58.35 | Cronix | jep |
| 10:58.38 | jelly | Cronix: next time, strace is your friend |
| 10:58.58 | nsadmin | put a sign on the router I BLOCK PINGS. GOT A PROBLEM WIF DAT?! |
| 10:59.07 | Cronix | jep jelly, the hilarious thing is, i just told a user here about strace hours ago... |
| 10:59.34 | Cronix | *blushes* |
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| 11:00.20 | jelly | knowing the simplest command/way to reproduce an issue is also important |
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| 11:00.51 | nsadmin | in this case there were many things interacting that had nothing to do with each other |
| 11:01.00 | nsadmin | was hard to know which was the simplest |
| 11:01.18 | nsadmin | and whether or not that was actually indicative of the problem |
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| 11:02.02 | Cronix | i was already thinking about reinstalling the whole system... |
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| 11:02.20 | nsadmin | ironically that would have solved the problem |
| 11:02.20 | nsadmin | ' |
| 11:02.29 | robert83a2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.31 | Cronix | its our EIB home automation server, setting up the eibd was horrible so that would had taken several hours |
| 11:03.19 | nsadmin | sheesh, glad you didn't have to do that |
| 11:03.29 | Cronix | totally agree |
| 11:04.11 | Cronix | i just dont get what the f*ck the guy who changed perms on resolv.conf was thinking he was doing... |
| 11:04.35 | nsadmin | so, your dhcp client will write out resolv.confs |
| 11:04.39 | cantido | Cronix: my worry would be if there are other random bits of broke around |
| 11:04.48 | Cronix | jeh that also |
| 11:04.59 | Cronix | and no nsadmin im using static ip on that machine |
| 11:05.04 | Cronix | no dhcpd involved |
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| 11:05.40 | Cronix | wb dpkg ;) |
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| 11:05.44 | nsadmin | so if you ls -l /etc/resolv.conf you get a file? or a link? |
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| 11:06.07 | Cronix | its an actual file |
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| 11:07.10 | nsadmin | ok... if you want you can look into package resolvconf which adds syntax to /etc/network/interfaces for specifying the name server and domain search in that file |
| 11:07.59 | nsadmin | it's a convenience so you can specify everything in one place |
| 11:08.28 | Cronix | nah, ill just stick with the current setup and slap everyone to death who will ever touch resolf.conf file again *evil laugh* |
| 11:08.49 | jelly | don't have multiple roots. |
| 11:09.31 | Cronix | i only have multiple sudoers |
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| 11:09.31 | nsadmin | if you do your genes will be multicolored... |
| 11:09.32 | gh0st3r | did a "crontab -e" and typed this in : "3 * * * * /tmp/poller.py > /tmp/poller_run.txt" it said "installing new crontab" then gave me a prompt, its been 15 mins and no joy... ideas? |
| 11:09.49 | jelly | !ideas |
| 11:09.49 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 11:09.59 | Cronix | o.O |
| 11:10.05 | cantido | Cronix: if you don't let your sudoers get a shell as root.. you should be able to track all the stuff they do |
| 11:10.21 | gh0st3r | did a "crontab -e" and typed this in : "3 * * * * /tmp/poller.py > /tmp/poller_run.txt" it said "installing new crontab" then gave me a prompt, its been 15 mins and no joy... ideas? |
| 11:10.30 | Cronix | i am anyway |
| 11:10.33 | gh0st3r | (sorry, wasnt sure if it posted, cause i posted before channel server) |
| 11:10.42 | Cronix | every command run from root is stored into syslog |
| 11:11.25 | nsadmin | so just search out the chmods |
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| 11:11.46 | gngkai | hi |
| 11:11.49 | cantido | Cronix: but root can soon sort that |
| 11:11.52 | jelly | gh0st3r: it did. is /tmp/poller.py executable by the user whose crontab you added that to? Have you read that user's mail to see if cron sent back a report of an unsuccessful run? |
| 11:11.58 | gngkai | anyone know if xen 4.0 will be included in squeeze? |
| 11:12.01 | Cronix | think im going to write a perl script wich parses syslog and stores it into sql db |
| 11:12.11 | gh0st3r | jelly, added it to root, root has rx permissions atleast |
| 11:12.23 | cantido | Cronix: theres probably a syslog daemon that can do that already |
| 11:12.29 | Cronix | hm |
| 11:12.31 | gh0st3r | jelly, no mail for root :( |
| 11:12.36 | Cronix | okay have to google ;) |
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| 11:12.55 | Cronix | thanks so far for all your helping :) |
| 11:13.10 | cantido | Cronix: you should send it off to another server or something so that it cant be fiddled with before you get there |
| 11:13.13 | jelly | gh0st3r: does the script work when root runs "/tmp/poller.py" in an interactive shell? |
| 11:13.23 | cantido | Cronix: or only let people you trust have sudo access ;) |
| 11:13.31 | Cronix | jep i have some 1and1 employer hosting package with mysql db |
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| 11:13.45 | Cronix | cantido: thats what i do anyway |
| 11:13.51 | gh0st3r | jelly, yeap |
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| 11:14.02 | gh0st3r | jelly do i need to reboot before itll work? |
| 11:14.12 | Cronix | but theres noone on earth u can trust by 100% |
| 11:14.14 | jelly | Cronix: syslog-ng can probably store to 'sql automatically |
| 11:14.40 | jelly | gh0st3r: no, you only need to reboot to kernel upgrades. |
| 11:14.50 | gh0st3r | jelly, im out of ideas :-S |
| 11:14.56 | gh0st3r | jelly, should it work even at 3 minutes? |
| 11:15.05 | gh0st3r | jelly, theres not like a 5 min minimum or such? |
| 11:15.06 | Cronix | jelly, just setting that baby up atm ;) |
| 11:15.19 | jelly | gh0st3r: you told it to run each hour at :03 minutes |
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| 11:15.34 | gh0st3r | jelly, yea, thats right |
| 11:16.01 | jelly | so, it was supposed to have run 12 minutes ago, and next run is in 48 minutes or so |
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| 11:16.05 | gh0st3r | jelly, hmmm im out of ideas, thanks for your help so far... any other ones? |
| 11:16.13 | gh0st3r | jelly, ohhhhh i see.... |
| 11:16.30 | gh0st3r | jelly, so i need to set it up to run like 3,6,9,12,15... and so on? |
| 11:16.39 | gh0st3r | i want it to run every 3 mins |
| 11:16.44 | Cronix | jep gh0st3r |
| 11:16.50 | jelly | gh0st3r: that, or use shorthand */3 |
| 11:16.56 | cantido | */3 should work |
| 11:16.56 | nsadmin | is it */3? |
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| 11:17.29 | jelly | gh0st3r: also, I _strongly_ suggest putting both the script and the output file somewhere other than /tmp |
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| 11:18.08 | gh0st3r | jelly, its a server i only have access to, its in dev and last but not least i will eventually run it as a user and put it in another directory :) |
| 11:18.22 | gh0st3r | jelly its a test server too :) |
| 11:18.47 | gh0st3r | thanks for the concern though |
| 11:18.49 | jelly | gh0st3r: if it gets accidentally rebooted you'll lose contents of /tmp/. You wouldn't be the first developer to have done that. |
| 11:19.15 | gh0st3r | jelly, just rebooted :-S thank goodness i copied /tmp to /root/tmp before i did :) |
| 11:19.25 | gh0st3r | i thought i might lose /tmp, just to be on the safe side though |
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| 11:19.40 | nsadmin | so you might as well redo your crontab entry now |
| 11:20.00 | jelly | gh0st3r: make a /usr/local/poller or whatever |
| 11:20.07 | gh0st3r | jelly kk |
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| 11:24.57 | jelly | a programmer dude here had a "temporary" script in /tmp/ for years, then things mysteriously broke after a long-overdue reboot |
| 11:25.06 | jelly | don't be that guy |
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| 11:30.32 | kavakava | Hi. I have a problem with slim not giving the correct locales. All get set to posix. Using squeeze. |
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| 11:32.03 | ffrank | hi. i'm having issues with drbd8-source (unstable) and make-kpkg. the module won't build and the problem is apparently related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552439 |
| 11:32.42 | ffrank | possibly the missing /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source link during module build. question is - how about during make-kpkg? |
| 11:36.02 | jelly | ffrank: what are you doing with make-kpkg? |
| 11:36.05 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:36.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:36.33 | jelly | ffrank: please pastebin the command you're trying to run and its whole output. |
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| 11:38.51 | ffrank | alright. that'll take a couple minutes though. the gist is: i'm doing a "make-kpkg modules_image", which used to build the drbd8 module alongside my kernel image. but no luck since updating from drbd 8.3.4 to 8.3.7 |
| 11:39.50 | meliowant | Hi guys. I have a file that contains a list of files. I wanna pu it into array via awk. The problem is the first entry is abscent in this array. FS is set to '\n'. Can you help to put the first entry to the array also? ;) |
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| 11:42.00 | meliowant | The code is here: http://pastebin.com/v8NBgtax |
| 11:42.52 | ffrank | meliowant: so you basically just want line numbers? |
| 11:43.17 | meliowant | I want the entries of the file. |
| 11:43.27 | meliowant | The problem is that the first entry is missing |
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| 11:43.55 | jelly | !awk |
| 11:43.55 | dpkg | i guess awk is a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ (reference), http://hibernia.jakma.org/~paul/awk-faq.html (FAQ), http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Awk.html (tutorial), http://awk.freeshell.org/ (Wiki). #awk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:44.18 | meliowant | And I cannot figure out how to put the first entry there. |
| 11:44.42 | meliowant | It looks like it escapes from the script for some reason :( |
| 11:44.58 | ffrank | i don't think awk is what you're looking for. besides, why the ^ before \n? |
| 11:45.09 | meliowant | jelly: thank you for help :) |
| 11:45.10 | jelly | meliowant: why, a stupid solution is putting a newline first in the output: (echo; cat foo) | ... |
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| 11:46.07 | ffrank | error output from make-kpkg: http://pastebin.com/ABThdjSu |
| 11:46.24 | meliowant | ffrank: FS accepts different field sepparators that are accepted as single chars |
| 11:47.00 | meliowant | I wanna manage it either with the endline or with the new line :) Yeah. I know its not correct, so it may be safety removed with the same result |
| 11:47.02 | Riviera | meliowant: so your ^ is supposed to be a literal ^ character? |
| 11:47.44 | ffrank | meliowant: like a regexp? i don't think that's what it will do... |
| 11:47.46 | jelly | ffrank: you seem to have patched your kernel tree. Are you sure that patch is supposed to work with that vanilla version? |
| 11:48.18 | meliowant | ffrank: yeah :( It's not working :( So I removed it, but the problem remains :) |
| 11:49.00 | ffrank | jelly: well, i cannot be certain the out-of-tree module is compatible with this source, true enough... |
| 11:49.17 | Riviera | meliowant: -F gets a regex, not a list of characters |
| 11:49.25 | ffrank | jelly: it struck me though, for the same kernel source worked with older drbd source well enough |
| 11:49.36 | Riviera | meliowant: maybe show a representative set of input data and the desired output, also, let's move this to #awk. |
| 11:49.47 | jelly | ffrank: better ask the drbd people |
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| 11:50.25 | ffrank | jelly: will do, thanks |
| 11:50.32 | elnur | How could it happen, that today when I've done "sudo chown -R elnur:elnur ~" and "sudo chown -R elnur:elnur /home/elnur" every folder in /home and /home itself were chowned to elnur? |
| 11:50.38 | meliowant | Riviera: ok. Moving there :) |
| 11:51.51 | jelly | elnur: question is, which shell expanded that "~", and what the value of $HOME was at the time |
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| 11:53.00 | elnur | jelly, sudo echo $HOME gives /root |
| 11:53.25 | jelly | elnur: and sudo echo ~ ? |
| 11:53.31 | rosie | hi.. i have this string "name: michael, country: denmark" i would like to just get the string "michael", can someone help? |
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| 11:54.17 | jelly | elnur: wait... are you running "sudo ..." while already being root/ |
| 11:54.43 | jelly | rosie: where do you have that input string? |
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| 11:55.18 | rosie | jelly: its just a string from cat.. $cat /tmp/file | cut .. and then i get a bit stocked |
| 11:55.26 | nsadmin | rosie, I guess you could split on , then grep for name |
| 11:55.48 | jelly | since we awked a bit ago |
| 11:55.50 | nsadmin | what's this for? will it always be like that? |
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| 11:56.17 | jelly | rosie: ... | awk -F '[: ,]+' '{print $2}' |
| 11:56.46 | rosie | jelly: ahh.. this will help me with awk, thanks a lot.. seems like it could do the job.. |
| 11:56.46 | ffrank | rosie: my take: "| tr -d :, | cut -d\ -f2" |
| 11:56.58 | jelly | that's also nice |
| 11:57.11 | elnur | jelly, oops. anyway, if i exit from root, and type sudo echo $HOME, it gives me /home/elnur |
| 11:58.04 | cast | jelly: nice. |
| 11:58.11 | jelly | elnur: you probably did it in the wrong place at the wrong time. Be careful with your ~ next time! |
| 11:59.03 | elnur | jelly, yea, I will. but it was really strange, that ~ expanded to /home. no user should have /home as home folder |
| 11:59.08 | jelly | elnur: though, /root would have ended up chowned, not /home. Perhaps there were smylinks involved |
| 11:59.35 | jelly | a smylink: :-) |
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| 12:01.50 | elnur | jelly, :) that is really strange. i don't see symlinks between /root and /home |
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| 12:03.07 | yagoo | hi folks |
| 12:03.09 | elnur | jelly, i just fucked a server on my job today just because of this unexpected behaviour :) |
| 12:03.15 | elnur | *fucked up |
| 12:03.21 | elnur | yagoo, hi |
| 12:03.48 | nsadmin | was she cute? |
| 12:04.03 | elnur | nsadmin, the server? |
| 12:04.13 | sz0 | hi. how can i ensure user id of my external disk somehow corresponds to the active user on the host machine. i mount a external drive and owner user id of the files are 1000 as it is in my machine but on the other machine the same user's id is 1001. |
| 12:04.31 | elnur | nsadmin, i haven't seen her; we chat through ssh only |
| 12:05.04 | nsadmin | hard to make physical contact that way... |
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| 12:06.16 | yagoo | elnur, you sound like a good autopilot. be carefuly about those servers |
| 12:06.34 | nsadmin | sz0: it should be ok if the type of filesystem you mount has unix-style semantics |
| 12:06.52 | nsadmin | then you can give whoever whatever perms you want under that umbrella |
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| 12:07.28 | sz0 | nsadmin: it is ext3. so yes. can i tell somehow that the files for user 1001 in one machine when mounting? and 1000 on my machine |
| 12:07.34 | yagoo | sure sounds like an umbrella of secure privacy, "s-s-h" |
| 12:07.47 | yagoo | ssh is king of security |
| 12:07.58 | yagoo | so anyone can help me with my question? |
| 12:08.37 | nsadmin | sz0: can you change the number on one of the machines? |
| 12:09.03 | nsadmin | (do you really care what the number is?) |
| 12:09.53 | sz0 | nsadmin: hmm yes. it could be problematic for other users and a lazy workaround, isn't it? :) |
| 12:09.57 | cantido | nsadmin: I think he means his uid on the box is 1000 and the uid owning the files is 1001 |
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| 12:10.29 | sz0 | cantido: uid is 1000 on my box and on the disk but the uid i have on box i want to connect is 1001 |
| 12:10.47 | cantido | sz0: make your uid on box the boxes the same |
| 12:10.47 | nsadmin | yagoo: so far your question is "can anyone help with my question" |
| 12:10.59 | cantido | sz0: you can do it with usermod |
| 12:11.24 | yagoo | am looking for sata hardware gurus.. |
| 12:11.34 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 12:11.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:11.36 | cantido | yagoo: just ask your question |
| 12:11.50 | yagoo | facepalms |
| 12:11.54 | sz0 | cantido: if another user has uid 1000 already? |
| 12:12.04 | jelly | elnur: don't use ~ if you don't know where it's been! |
| 12:12.09 | nsadmin | then change the other to 1001 |
| 12:12.11 | yagoo | hang on folks.. i've got a dangle here.. my text got cut |
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| 12:12.12 | cantido | sz0: change your uid on both machines to one that isn't in use |
| 12:12.14 | yagoo | ok |
| 12:12.19 | nsadmin | or change both and the files to another |
| 12:12.31 | yagoo | bios setting: needign to know if its safe to change sata setting: legacy->native |
| 12:12.37 | yagoo | "?" |
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| 12:12.56 | yagoo | not certain if this is right channel.. likely not.. but what harm is it.. |
| 12:12.59 | cantido | sz0: I have exactly this problem with 3 or so users on 3 machines... I didnt want ldap, so I just went and changed all the user ids to be common, problem solved |
| 12:13.01 | jelly | yagoo: does your disk currently appear as /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*? |
| 12:13.01 | wols | yagoo: for linux yes. for windows, not necessarily |
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| 12:13.11 | nsadmin | what is the meaning of legacy, and native? |
| 12:13.22 | cantido | yagoo: windows xp probably wont boot with it as native |
| 12:13.32 | yagoo | sata legacy, sata native.. its an intel 946 chipset motherboard |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | yagoo: it's safe from the standpoint of losing data. Less safe from the point of "will it boot properly again" |
| 12:13.34 | wols | legacy: old IDE style, complete with PIO and all. "native" = AHCI |
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| 12:13.56 | wols | jelly: for linux it's safe. for XP not |
| 12:14.01 | sz0 | cantido: nsadmin: okay. thanks. maybe a portable fs whose purpose is to be convenient about this situation is the best solution. |
| 12:14.09 | jelly | wols: it's not safe on my machine. |
| 12:14.10 | sz0 | which doesn't exist yet :) |
| 12:14.11 | cantido | wols: you cant loose anything if it doesnt work though.. |
| 12:14.23 | wols | jelly: how so and what chipset? |
| 12:15.04 | cantido | sz0: with FAT you can override the uid with mount options.. I dont think that'll work with a fs that actually supports unix stuff though |
| 12:15.09 | nsadmin | sz0: I have this strong tendency to just repeat what was already said, but instead I'll just invite you to notice you're in the present moment. |
| 12:15.17 | jelly | wols: how so: no ahci in current initrd. 00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller [8086:2653] (rev 03) |
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| 12:15.47 | cantido | jelly: if it doesnt boot you can just stick the setting back, you dont loose any data |
| 12:15.56 | jelly | cantido: that's what I said! |
| 12:16.20 | jelly | except for spelling "lose" correctly |
| 12:16.25 | sz0 | nsadmin: okay, i understand. but that's just a workaround. an actual perfect solution must be made. |
| 12:16.29 | elnur | jelly, ok, i'll use /home/elnur next time. thank you :) |
| 12:16.56 | wols | interesting. my ICH9 works fine (and if you use the correct driver even under XP. modded tho: intel doesn't allow ahci out of the box) |
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| 12:17.15 | sz0 | cantido: right. maybe ntfs-3g helps better. i should lookup for them. or just chown the files each time i need. |
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| 12:17.23 | cantido | jelly: just looked that up.. lose is correct, sorry ;) |
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| 12:17.48 | cantido | sz0: well, if you just sync your uids across machines.. |
| 12:18.47 | sz0 | cantido: yes, i understood that. but that's not a one-shot/point-to-point/or whatever solution. |
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| 12:19.43 | sz0 | cantido: what if someone cannot change then what she could do.. i was thinking that. |
| 12:20.08 | cantido | sz0: mmm if you dont have a finite amount of machines that could be an issue |
| 12:20.28 | cantido | sz0: you could just chmod 777 on the files or use an fs with unix perms |
| 12:20.39 | nsadmin | sz0: I built a whole system around identities, and the unix-alikes (with user numbers/names) became one of many machine types for which my system generated logins |
| 12:20.45 | sz0 | cantido: yeah 777 sounds like it actually! |
| 12:21.20 | nsadmin | it was important that one user could not overwrite another's work |
| 12:22.37 | sz0 | nsadmin: well, that's right too. |
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| 12:23.32 | sz0 | nsadmin: cantido: thanks again. |
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| 12:24.29 | sz0 | i'm noting this issue and will try to make a perfect-like solution, say tfs, transporting file system. :p |
| 12:25.14 | Cronix | what about sshfs? |
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| 12:26.03 | sz0 | Cronix: was that to me? |
| 12:26.09 | cantido | sz0: well, you have to map users some way |
| 12:26.26 | Cronix | jep sz0 sry i forgot to highlight |
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| 12:27.01 | cantido | sz0: if all the machines are connected you would have something like ldap, for disconnected systems its more difficult |
| 12:27.05 | andiolsi | hi, im having a little trouble with my repository: W: Conflicting distribution: http://Â...stable Release (expected stable but got ) <-- i really dont see what i could have changed. it worked before |
| 12:27.11 | sz0 | Cronix: over network would be too slow and sometimes one end is powered off. so, gotta use external disk. |
| 12:27.54 | Cronix | herm k |
| 12:28.03 | Cronix | never mind then |
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| 12:28.26 | sz0 | cantido: yeah i was thinking something like when mounting a fat system you can tell the uid. |
| 12:28.33 | sz0 | Cronix: :) thanks anyway |
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| 12:29.07 | cantido | sz0: which would map to usernames? which again might not be the same |
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| 12:30.10 | cantido | sz0: somewhere you need a key thats the same on all the machines mounting the fs, that might as well be the uid |
| 12:30.31 | sz0 | cantido: that could resolve the uid right? |
| 12:31.33 | nsadmin | sz0: as you get closer and closer to perfection, you might notice you're spending more and more time on perfection and less and less time on what you really want to accomplish... at infinity days from now, you'll probably notice you're at perfection, you've spent an infinite amount of time getting there and zero time doing what you want |
| 12:31.42 | cantido | sz0: you could say uid 1001 here equals user xyz there.. but then you would need the same username everywhere |
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| 12:32.04 | eshat | Hi all. After installing synaptics tochpad drivers in Windows, my toucpad on debian is much to fast configured it was fine before (debian sid without xorg.conf) |
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| 12:33.09 | cantido | eshat: does it happen if you boot to debian from cold? |
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| 12:33.25 | sz0 | nsadmin: i will do the thing what i need for now. but if there is a problem i'd like to fix then i can spend some days of infinitity. :) |
| 12:33.33 | cantido | eshat: maybe the windows driver is changing the config and thats surviving reboot |
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| 12:33.54 | cantido | sz0: you setup an ldap server and have all your machines use the same info ;) |
| 12:34.12 | sz0 | cantido: when mounting fat you can say whatever user. there is no need for a same name or id. same with fat except not fat. :) |
| 12:34.20 | cantido | sz0: or use an fs that doesnt have those unix bits.. or just disable them (777) |
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| 12:34.33 | eshat | cantido: that's what i guess too,... so any idea what to do ? |
| 12:34.34 | sz0 | cantido: hiim.. i have no idea about ldap but looks it is the way. |
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| 12:34.48 | cantido | sz0: fat doesn't have any of that info, so when you mount it you need to fudge it |
| 12:34.58 | sz0 | cantido: i'll chmod 777 them now. |
| 12:35.50 | cantido | sz0: your system doesnt have to source its users groups etc from the local system, you can do it from a central server (ldap or similar) but with laptops etc its a bit of a problem |
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| 12:38.29 | sz0 | cantido: hmm. i can do that when i can put my machine to the internet, i guess |
| 12:39.13 | cantido | sz0: its probably easier just to make sure you use the same uid across each of your machines |
| 12:39.25 | sz0 | cantido: yes. |
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| 12:39.49 | nsadmin | if the users/groups info comes from ldap and refers to accounts on several machines, that would require the group id number and user id number to be consistant across the machines and match what ldap db would have for each user/group |
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| 12:40.29 | sz0 | does ldap server has to be always on? i mean a local cache can be made for user info? |
| 12:40.32 | cantido | sz0: From memory, I've made all my roaming users have ids above 2000 and manually allocated the user when I've added them to each machine |
| 12:40.52 | cantido | sz0: that way I can create local users and I can easily see which users I need to sync |
| 12:41.16 | cantido | sz0: you can do local caching, but ldap doesnt work very well for disconnected machines |
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| 12:43.06 | sz0 | cantido: i'm gonna try that someday then.. just 777 will work for now. with _care_ :) |
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| 12:44.38 | cantido | sz0: there is a nss module so that you can have a second passwd file that you can sync between your machines, if you kept your users in the second passwd and synced that between your machines you could keep your userids in sync by just copying the file around :) |
| 12:44.51 | cantido | sz0: but I think that would only really work if all your machines are debian |
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| 12:46.46 | RichiH | is there any way to restart a single network interface and not all of them at once? |
| 12:47.01 | azeem | RichiH: ipdown eth2; ifup eth2? |
| 12:47.50 | Titan8990 | RichiH: afaik, that is the only way to do it post squeeze since "restart" functionality was removed from the init script. |
| 12:49.08 | RichiH | this is lenny and i don't have ipdown, nor does apt-file find it |
| 12:49.29 | nsadmin | RichiH: you'll want to be careful with that if you don't have physical access |
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| 12:49.39 | cantido | RichiH: ifdown |
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| 12:51.08 | Newers | im trying to install debian net install on a Lenovo ThinkCentre 7360CTO, but it cannot recognize my ethernet card. It has a Intel 82567LM and the e1000e driver should support this. What can i do? |
| 12:52.15 | cantido | Newers: it might be easier to install with one of the bigger images and then fix your ethernet from the installed system |
| 12:53.00 | nsadmin | Newers: another approach you coudl choose... |
| 12:53.38 | nsadmin | install without configuring net, then transfer to the machine a kernel .deb you would install which has a module supporting your card correctly |
| 12:53.56 | nsadmin | then configure your net after arranging that module be loaded at boot |
| 12:54.43 | nsadmin | when cantido says "it might be easier ..." he's right, so the choice is yours |
| 12:55.13 | RichiH | nsadmin: i have ILOM access in case stuff breaks |
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| 12:55.27 | nsadmin | what's ILOM> |
| 12:55.30 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 12:55.44 | azeem | some sort of advanced serial console |
| 12:55.47 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 12:56.32 | cantido | if its ipmi you can usually do stuff like control the fans etc |
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| 12:56.43 | cast | its a system controller, possibly for suns x86 boxes |
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| 12:57.28 | cast | either ALOM or ILOM is the poorer [x86] cousin of the other |
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| 12:59.39 | jelly | alom is the sparc counterpart. iLO is HP's |
| 12:59.56 | nextgens | hi, how can I tell bugzilla that a bug is no longer found from a given version of a package ? |
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| 13:01.11 | nextgens | and what does the "pending" tag mean? |
| 13:01.23 | lindi- | nextgens: do you really mean bugzilla or bugs.debian.org? |
| 13:01.41 | lindi- | nextgens: (hi there btw, how's freenet going?) |
| 13:02.04 | nextgens | bugs.debian.org |
| 13:02.24 | lindi- | nextgens: ok. bugs.debian.org does not run bugzilla. |
| 13:02.37 | nextgens | ah, good to know :) |
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| 13:02.55 | nextgens | it explains why my fight with control@ didn't yeld any results |
| 13:03.04 | nextgens | is there a documentation on how to use it? |
| 13:03.17 | nextgens | I used reportbug to create the original bug |
| 13:03.18 | lindi- | nextgens: '# |
| 13:03.23 | nextgens | and now would like to add more things to it |
| 13:03.30 | lindi- | nextgens: "notfound bugnumber version" -- http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard |
| 13:03.43 | nextgens | cheers :) |
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| 13:05.48 | nextgens | lindi-: freenet is doing great; albeit it's still far away from being packagable for debian :/ |
| 13:06.11 | nextgens | the dependencies are a nightmare |
| 13:06.52 | nextgens | and the licensing is kind of grey as freenet is gplv2 and we rely on some asf2 code |
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| 13:09.16 | wols | nextgens: what does it neeed besides java? |
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| 13:10.48 | Titan8990 | wols: java is the only thing mentioned on the install page... oh and a "gui" |
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| 13:11.24 | nextgens | wols: we use some native code for FEC and crypto |
| 13:11.41 | nextgens | well, these are optional (we have a slow java implementation of it too) |
| 13:12.26 | nextgens | until recently openjdk couldn't be used either |
| 13:12.42 | nextgens | gcj/classpath never worked properly |
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| 13:13.50 | tuvyz | is there a desktop-optimized (low-latency, higher-frequency timer) debian kernel yet? |
| 13:14.08 | azeem | tuvyz: isn't that the standard kernel? |
| 13:14.36 | sz0 | cantido: yes, they're all debian. |
| 13:14.47 | abrotman | azeem: he means the one where they change the Hz to 1000 or whatever games claim they need |
| 13:14.50 | abrotman | gamers |
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| 13:16.10 | Bohemian | hi, can someone help me with LVM-magic? i jsut migrated my server over to a VPS from a virtual machine and need to use LVM because device names changed. i rebooted and am getting this error: |
| 13:16.12 | Bohemian | http://p.linode.com/3714 |
| 13:16.14 | Bohemian | help please :) |
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| 13:16.46 | dbo_ | hi all |
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| 13:18.49 | Bohemian | i'm using debian lenny |
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| 13:20.43 | tuvyz | btw, how can i find out the Hz for my current kernel? |
| 13:21.36 | rvsjoen | grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:22.53 | abrotman | rvsjoen: what if mine comes back '1024' ? |
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| 13:25.04 | tuvyz | ok.. found it. it's still set to 250 |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | yes .. is there a reason this is unacceptable ? |
| 13:25.29 | wols | abrotman: then you're a 1337 LPB |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | wols: or it's not x86? :) |
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| 13:25.47 | abrotman | $ grep HZ /boot/config-2.6.26-2-alpha-legacy |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | CONFIG_HZ=1024 |
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| 13:25.58 | slooth | Hello. Anyone had troubles with GNU screen ignoring aclchg permissions to users, and instead giving them all privileges? The syntax is correct, I even tried aclchg user -rwx "?#" which sets their permissions to squat,...nothing works! Screen 4.0.3, btw. Any ideas?? |
| 13:25.59 | DiKKy | JUST STOP USING SO MUCH FAGGOT NONFUNNY ASCII |
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| 13:26.08 | wols | your computer is sloooow |
| 13:26.09 | DiKKy | GASJEWS CHECK UR MSGS |
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| 13:26.12 | wols | !PAL abrotman |
| 13:26.12 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs |
| 13:26.29 | abrotman | wols: it's going to be obsolete with squeeze, so i need to find a replacement |
| 13:26.31 | Bohemian | hi, can someone help me with LVM-magic? i jsut migrated my server over to a VPS from a virtual machine and need to use LVM because device names changed. i rebooted and am getting this error: http://p.linode.com/3714 i'm using debian lenny |
| 13:26.43 | wols | ouch. alpha is THAT dead already? |
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| 13:26.59 | StefanNET | ~ |
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| 13:27.12 | nsadmin | testing... chanserv |
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| 13:27.45 | abrotman | wols: AIUI, the prime porter had his machine die, I offered another, but he wasn't interested |
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| 13:28.10 | abrotman | if anyone were interested, I would donate it .. but I don't think anyone really is |
| 13:28.25 | tuvyz | abrotman: is that a custom kernel, or is it a default for alpha? |
| 13:28.30 | abrotman | default |
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| 13:29.04 | rvsjoen | 1024 ? seriously ? |
| 13:29.16 | wols | there still must be tons of alphas out there. heck people still run some VAXen |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | don't make fun of my 1995 machine |
| 13:29.20 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 13:29.27 | abrotman | wols: it's really a question of desire i guess .. |
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| 13:29.37 | themill | alpha is clearly the new uberl33t gaming machine! tuvyz should start gaming on alpha instead |
| 13:29.38 | tuvyz | so there isn't anything like an -rt kernel variant in debian? |
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| 13:29.39 | wols | could be alpha does better thread switching than shitty x86 |
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| 13:29.47 | jelly | tuvyz: there isn't. |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | tuvyz: i'm sure there are bugs filed against this .. use google |
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| 13:30.10 | wols | *context switching. mea culpa |
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| 13:30.40 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396758 |
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| 13:31.36 | nextgens | how long does it take for the bugtracker (control@) to respond? |
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| 13:31.44 | abrotman | nextgens: usually 15-30 |
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| 13:31.50 | giles | hi, I think I have setup my HP photosmart using hplip |
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| 13:31.58 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 13:32.09 | giles | How can I setup a samba/cups windows share for the printer |
| 13:32.24 | giles | so that it can be accessed like a normal windows printer? |
| 13:32.37 | giles | windows network attached printer. |
| 13:32.40 | wols | let cups listen on 0.0.0.0 and use IPP |
| 13:33.00 | wols | giles: I can tell you haven't googled since there are tons of howtos for such a thing |
| 13:33.10 | wols | even the official samba howto tells you how |
| 13:33.13 | giles | well, I googled, and found |
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| 13:33.32 | wols | great. then you don't need to ask us. have a nice day |
| 13:33.32 | giles | but i don't have an /etc/init.d/samba |
| 13:33.42 | wols | then maybe you gotta install samba? |
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| 13:34.16 | giles | Is there anything that I have to configure special with samba cups and hplip |
| 13:34.17 | wols | tho I wouldn't use samba anyore |
| 13:34.53 | jelly | abrotman: does http://bugs.debian.org/396758 work for you? |
| 13:34.56 | giles | wols: well I want it as backwards compatability option so that my printer still looks like it did before to windows clients |
| 13:35.29 | tuvyz | waiting for bugs.debian.org |
| 13:35.31 | giles | wols: after having migrated the server that the printer was connected to to linux yey |
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| 13:35.48 | jelly | abrotman killed bugs.d.o, again! |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | eep |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | jelly: yes, it does owrk here |
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| 13:36.50 | abrotman | jelly: let me give you the summary: "Already takes too long, not doing!" |
| 13:36.53 | jelly | perhaps it only discriminates against europe |
| 13:37.10 | jelly | I mean the web server |
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| 13:37.48 | giles | wols: anyway, we can't all rtfm, or even google, if we did there would be nothing to talk about ;) |
| 13:38.13 | decaf | hi everyone. my system hangs at boot. but I can't find which init script started application crashes |
| 13:38.13 | giles | in this case I was just being lazy |
| 13:38.15 | Titan8990 | sure there would be... some projects do rather crappy documentation |
| 13:38.32 | wols | giles: you will that I can outlazy you easily. have a nice day |
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| 13:38.57 | seto | when I try to run konsole I get this error : konsole: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv |
| 13:39.09 | seto | do you know what I am doing wrong ? (debian sid) |
| 13:39.31 | giles | wols: ah, but now I have ensnared you in a conversation muahahahaha |
| 13:39.32 | wols | you just answered your own question :) |
| 13:39.35 | Titan8990 | !sid breaks |
| 13:40.18 | dpkg | i heard sid breaks is packages in sid break, and often. wait a few days and quit complaining. it's called unstable for a reason |
| 13:40.18 | tuvyz | abrotman: finally got to the bug report, which i find discouraging: the ressources for adding other images are not there. |
| 13:40.18 | tuvyz | sorry, closing |
| 13:40.46 | abrotman | tuvyz: i just said that! |
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| 13:41.37 | tuvyz | abrotman: does that mean that it will never happen? |
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| 13:42.26 | wols | never is a long time. but it's quite unlikley |
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| 13:43.01 | seto | hmm it seems that my qtlib use matlab libs.. (ldd result) |
| 13:43.49 | tuvyz | is there at least a kernel config or a debian kernel patch? |
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| 13:45.49 | greedo | anyone good with drbd? |
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| 13:46.00 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 13:46.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 13:46.26 | greedo | quick question, does drdb only map raw devices to raw devices? |
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| 13:53.36 | greedo | i have two devices with different hardware |
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| 13:59.27 | greedo | i need raid 1 over network for 2 servers with different hardware |
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| 14:03.57 | ironmunk | greedo, what exactly is your question? |
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| 14:05.09 | greedo | ironmunk: I needed a way to ensure that if one server goes down, another can come up |
| 14:05.32 | zleap | er is that called redundancy |
| 14:05.40 | greedo | ironmunk: however these servers have different hardware |
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| 14:05.50 | greedo | zleap: yes |
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| 14:05.53 | zleap | ah |
| 14:06.01 | [Jasper] | hej guys, what options should I add when adding a xfs system to my fstab? |
| 14:06.27 | wols | options? |
| 14:06.48 | bzed | greedo: look into heartbeat or pacemaker or similar tools |
| 14:07.04 | streuner__ | [Jasper]: /msg dpkg xfs |
| 14:07.08 | wols | greedo: apt-cache show heartbeat |
| 14:07.25 | bzed | heartbeat is ugly, but it works |
| 14:07.33 | bzed | pcaemaker is the better way to go these days |
| 14:07.39 | greedo | bzed: for different hardware? |
| 14:08.04 | wols | greedo: thereis this strange thing called "operating system". its job is to abstract hardware |
| 14:08.10 | wols | cutting edge cool stuff that |
| 14:08.14 | jelly | w00t |
| 14:08.14 | greedo | i need to ensure that the same data is on both machines |
| 14:08.33 | bzed | greedo: you need a shared storage then. either an external one, or use drbd |
| 14:09.05 | bzed | greedo: I guess drbd is what you are looking for |
| 14:09.07 | jelly | how does that pacemaker deal with split brainsssss |
| 14:09.25 | bzed | jelly: drbd split brain? |
| 14:09.32 | greedo | bzed: yes, i'd like to use drbd, but the two machines have different hardware |
| 14:09.43 | bzed | jelly: http://www.drbd.org/users-guide/ch-pacemaker.html |
| 14:09.47 | bzed | greedo: and? |
| 14:09.58 | bzed | greedo: 16:08:04 < wols> greedo: thereis this strange thing called "operating system". its job is to abstract hardware |
| 14:10.01 | bzed | 16:08:09 < wols> cutting edge cool stuff that |
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| 14:10.53 | bzed | greedo: you need a similar amount of disk storage in both machines, though - you can't mirror 10GB of data on a 1gb disk |
| 14:12.06 | greedo | bzed: one server has 10TB the other has 2.72 TB |
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| 14:12.29 | greedo | bzed: however it's not using all that space |
| 14:13.12 | bzed | greedo: well, obviously you won't be able to have more than 2.72GB of shared storage. |
| 14:13.30 | ironmunk | greedo, you probably want an active/passive setup, I don't think hardware should matter as long as you use identical sized partitions |
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| 14:14.08 | _Fred | hello |
| 14:14.24 | _Fred | is there any way to bypass this problem |
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| 14:14.52 | _Fred | on every command i launch on my debian lenny |
| 14:14.56 | _Fred | i get this |
| 14:14.58 | _Fred | error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: file too short" |
| 14:15.04 | _Fred | :/ |
| 14:15.12 | _Fred | i can do nothing |
| 14:15.26 | _Fred | is there a command to rescue my server ? |
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| 14:15.42 | greedo | bzed: ok that should be fine, problem 2 - i believe drbd only maps raw devices to raw devices |
| 14:15.50 | streuner__ | restore from backups? ;-) |
| 14:16.22 | _Fred | i have a apache server who still works |
| 14:16.27 | streuner | _Fred: hardware issues? |
| 14:16.29 | _Fred | and a ssh session |
| 14:16.31 | _Fred | no |
| 14:16.34 | wols | _Fred: can you access the server otherwise? via live cd for example? |
| 14:16.37 | _Fred | no |
| 14:16.40 | ironmunk | I think you only need identical block size etc |
| 14:16.53 | streuner | sure, sshd and/or httpd is still in RAM... |
| 14:16.56 | ironmunk | but if possible have the same block devices |
| 14:17.00 | _Fred | if i could i would do a fresh install |
| 14:17.07 | abrotman | _Fred: so you can't run any basic commands ? |
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| 14:17.15 | wols | short answer is you need to unpack the lobc6 locally and copy it over to /lib |
| 14:17.18 | _Fred | i can't open a new ssh session |
| 14:17.19 | _Fred | :/ |
| 14:17.26 | _Fred | i can't do nothing |
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| 14:17.28 | _Fred | i'm stuck |
| 14:17.31 | abrotman | lobc6s at wols |
| 14:17.33 | streuner | calm down |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | _Fred: how did it get like this? |
| 14:17.48 | wols | ducks and watches it hit streuner |
| 14:18.37 | _Fred | its a long story |
| 14:18.38 | _Fred | :x |
| 14:18.51 | _Fred | it start with a crappy start install |
| 14:19.02 | lontra | hi i just went to start my laptop this morning, running squeeze, and it says EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 292 not in group ... EXT3-fs group descriptors corrupted ... /bin/sh can't access tty: job control turned off ... and then it drops me to a (initramfs) prompt |
| 14:19.07 | _Fred | the guys who rent the servers sux |
| 14:19.10 | lontra | what can i do to boot my computer? |
| 14:19.12 | _Fred | but its cheap |
| 14:19.43 | _Fred | and i try too much things to get the system ok |
| 14:20.17 | _Fred | at a point ldconfig could not start |
| 14:20.39 | _Fred | so i tried to reeinstall libc |
| 14:20.47 | _Fred | and big problems came |
| 14:20.48 | _Fred | :x |
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| 14:21.14 | _Fred | i think there is no way to get out of this |
| 14:21.51 | _Fred | i will try to backup the maximum |
| 14:22.09 | _Fred | but if someone have an idea |
| 14:22.15 | _Fred | to restore a ssh access |
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| 14:23.34 | _Dave123_ | i am setting up a reverse tunnel from my desktop on work, like 'ssh -R 11111:localhost:22 user@shell.com' however, does anyone know if it's possible to have the connection to myDesktop behave like a proxy? like i normally have when I tunnel to myhost.com with putty that i am actually ON myhost.com? |
| 14:23.51 | lontra | it also says mount /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory ... it says the same thing for /sys and /proc and it says target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
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| 14:24.14 | lontra | is my system hosed? |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | _Fred: you might want to look at 'busybox' |
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| 14:25.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | can someone tell me with wich gcc version the linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 was compiled? |
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| 14:25.13 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: do you have it installed ? |
| 14:25.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: currently downloading it |
| 14:25.44 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: once it's installed/running, 'cat /proc/version' |
| 14:26.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: I'm just wondering if I have the right gcc version installed or I'll need a backport gcc, for compiling the nvidia kernel module 'n stuff |
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| 14:26.57 | themill | ,builddep linux-2.6 --release lenny-backports |
| 14:26.58 | judd | linux-2.6 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7), cpio, module-init-tools, python, lzma [armel], gcc-4.3 [alpha amd64 armel hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sh4 sparc sparc64], binutils-hppa64 [hppa], gcc-4.3-hppa64 [hppa]; Build-Depends-Indep: bzip2, python-support, xmlto. |
| 14:27.21 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: it's built with gcc-4.3 that is currently in lenny. |
| 14:27.28 | lontra | can anyone help me try to troubleshoot why my computer isn't booting? |
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| 14:27.44 | abrotman | lontra: what did you do to get there? |
| 14:27.59 | lontra | abrotman: shutdown my laptop last night and booted it this morning |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | you didn't install anything yesterday ? |
| 14:28.13 | nsadmin | lontra and what before that? |
| 14:28.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: oh thank you very much |
| 14:28.34 | lontra | abrotman: i updated to squeeze yesterday but i've rebooted since i believe |
| 14:28.51 | lontra | i mean i updated squeeze not updated to squeeze |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | lontra: were you running the squeeze kernel before you rebooted ? |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 14:29.19 | _Dave123_ | i am setting up a reverse tunnel from my desktop on work, like 'ssh -R 11111:localhost:22 user@shell.com' however, does anyone know if it's possible to have the connection to myDesktop behave like a proxy? like i normally have when I tunnel to myhost.com with putty that i am actually ON myhost.com? |
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| 14:30.13 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: You do that with xdm or gdm or kdm. (I always have better luck with gdm.) |
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| 14:30.36 | Titan8990 | _Dave123_: ssd -D will create a SOCKS proxy |
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| 14:30.51 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: See also /msg dpkg thin client or look up on the debian wiki. |
| 14:31.21 | _Dave123_ | ssh -D will create a socks proxy yes, but only to host.com , not to the destination desktop |
| 14:31.22 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: You may also want to consider a real vpn like openvpn instead of ssh, although it may not be required. |
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| 14:31.40 | bzed | greedo: probably you want to read the documentation and understand what it doesn (and no, you don't want to have any kind of mirroring on filesystem-level) |
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| 14:34.09 | _Dave123_ | Titan8990: so, ssh -D to shell.com i need that connection forwarded to destination desktop |
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| 14:36.06 | lontra | abrotman: any ideas what i could try? |
| 14:36.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | hey I've just installed the backports kernel for lenny using sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 and apt-get did throw some errors after reconfiguring the device names |
| 14:36.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/919365 |
| 14:36.25 | SlayerXP | _Dave123_: i have written a howto on just this topic: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/AvoidingRestrictiveProxy |
| 14:36.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | is that anything I should worry about? |
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| 14:37.09 | abrotman | lontra: bootling an old kernel ? |
| 14:37.18 | joshteam | anyone know the dotdeb package name for php 5.3.2? I can't remember it |
| 14:37.22 | greedo | bzed: thanks |
| 14:37.23 | lontra | abrotman: i don't have one it was a netinstall to squeeze |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | joshteam: we don't use dotdeb, nor recommend them |
| 14:37.44 | Titan8990 | !tell joshteam about dotdeb |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | lontra: rescue disk ? |
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| 14:37.56 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: it didn't install .. try `aptitude -f install` |
| 14:38.42 | themill | http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20100413.121924.d5e9b3dd.en.html |
| 14:39.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: doesn't seem like it could fix it http://pastie.org/919375 |
| 14:39.49 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: see the URL themill pasted .. sounds broken |
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| 14:40.45 | _Fred | abrotman: thanks for the anwser |
| 14:41.04 | _Fred | but how should i use this busybox |
| 14:41.07 | _Fred | i will try |
| 14:41.24 | joshteam | Titan8990 thanks - checking out backports.org now |
| 14:41.28 | _Fred | but i'm not sure i've understand how it works |
| 14:41.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: so I should deinstall the backport kernel and not even try to boot it? |
| 14:42.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: but will my old kernel work with the renamed devices 'n such? |
| 14:42.14 | joshteam | Titan8990 - http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports << doesn't seem to have any php5.3 though? |
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| 14:43.02 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: get the -3 bpo kernel IIRC: that one should work without the stupid linux-base and no udev probs |
| 14:43.13 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 14:43.14 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 14:43.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: so I should do apt-get remove -4bpo kernel ? |
| 14:43.41 | wols | wasn't there a 5.3 php in bpo? |
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| 14:44.34 | themill | wols: $deity no. it only just made it into squeeze and is still as scary as anything |
| 14:45.02 | wols | when is php ever not scary? |
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| 14:45.19 | themill | wols: relatively speaking :) |
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| 14:45.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | what should I do about the incomplete installed package? |
| 14:45.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | apt keeps complaining about it |
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| 14:46.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | it tells me everytime it runs that one package is not completle installed/removed |
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| 14:46.56 | keeton | did you remove/purge? |
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| 14:47.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | well I did use apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 |
| 14:47.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | to uninstalled the bugged backport kernel |
| 14:47.45 | defrysk | KaffeeJunky123, apt-get -f install |
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| 14:48.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | defrysk: it did fail to configure linux-base |
| 14:48.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | defrysk: the apt-get -f install command |
| 14:48.58 | defrysk | hmm |
| 14:49.04 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: pastebin the output of aptitude -f install |
| 14:49.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: just a second |
| 14:50.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/919394 |
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| 14:51.52 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6 udev |
| 14:52.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/919401 |
| 14:54.29 | wols | afaik the latest amd64 kernel backport is buggy. has been for a few days. I thought a bug was already filed |
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| 14:55.14 | qwd | A bug report I sent with reportbug 1-2 days ago still isn't showing up, could something have gone wrong? I didn't receive an email about it. |
| 14:55.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: do you mean the kernel or the kernel package? |
| 14:55.21 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: dpkg -r linux-base |
| 14:55.57 | Titan8990 | qwd: check the mbox for postmaster or root on your system, see if the email bounced |
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| 14:57.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: should I reinstall the backport kernel now? |
| 14:57.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: the older working version ofc |
| 14:57.47 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: you can try... that looked like a bug to me though |
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| 14:58.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: hm the linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 is installed ^^ |
| 14:59.20 | greedo | i have problems with Mathematica fonts :-( |
| 14:59.23 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: do another aptitude install -f. removal of linux-base should have caused it to become broken |
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| 14:59.31 | Zambezi | What do I need to install to be able to format a drive to FAT32? I can't find anything in the repos. |
| 14:59.41 | Titan8990 | Zambezi: dosfstools IIRC |
| 14:59.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: I did, no error messages what so ever ^^ |
| 15:00.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: and dpkg --configure linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 told me it's configured fine |
| 15:00.06 | greedo | I'm trying to run Mathemitica 7 |
| 15:00.06 | qwd | Titan8990: I did "nano /var/mail/username" but don't see anything about Revelation there. /var/mail/root doesn't seem to exist |
| 15:00.09 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: try and boot it I guess |
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| 15:00.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | Titan8990: i'll try, wish me luck |
| 15:00.41 | Zambezi | Titan8990: Thanks! |
| 15:00.48 | qwd | Titan8990: and I can't find out how to check postmaster mbox |
| 15:00.51 | Titan8990 | qwd: its typically /var/spool/mail/username, and you should use "mail" instead of a text editor |
| 15:00.51 | greedo | and i get a Incorrect font server address or syntax error |
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| 15:01.03 | Titan8990 | qwd: e.g.: mail -u postmaster or mail -u root |
| 15:01.28 | qwd | mail: "postmaster" is not a user of this system |
| 15:01.32 | qwd | No mail for root |
| 15:02.03 | Titan8990 | qwd: postmaster is typically an alias that points to root, but it some cases it is its own account |
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| 15:02.21 | karlpinc | qwd: Typically /etc/aliases will route mail to postmaster (and root) to somewhere else. YMMV. |
| 15:02.23 | nsadmin | it went back from /var/mail to /var/spool/mail? |
| 15:02.26 | themill | qwd: root's mail would normally get delivered to someone else |
| 15:02.53 | nsadmin | right, this decision is usually made when installing |
| 15:02.57 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: its /var/spool/mail on my lenny system and the centos sendmail servers I manage |
| 15:03.00 | qwd | Yeah, it seems it got forwarded to my regular user name, but I don't see anything about revelation there |
| 15:03.25 | themill | Titan8990: ls -ld /var/spool/mail |
| 15:03.31 | nsadmin | they must have changed it back, or someone didn't get the memo :) |
| 15:03.48 | Titan8990 | themill: ah, I fail |
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| 15:04.15 | themill | Titan8990: old habits die hard. I stil type /var/spool/mail/ every time too. |
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| 15:04.17 | Titan8990 | themill: not the case with our sendmail servers though |
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| 15:05.16 | qwd | I guess I'll just send the bugreport again, this time I know more about why Revelation is missing icons so it's not that bad |
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| 15:06.14 | themill | qwd: you might want to use "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in your ~/.reportbugrc and then your local MTA configuration is irrelevant. |
| 15:06.14 | nsadmin | I'm not even sure why that's a good idea... one guy says policy is flawwed, so policy could change as a result... then they apply the policy to something else and people get confused due to whatever change that causes |
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| 15:08.19 | qwd | themill: thanks for the tip, I changed it now |
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| 15:11.50 | fasta | Can I store the ssh password for a machine somewhere such that I can automatically login? |
| 15:12.12 | cantido | fasta: see public key login |
| 15:12.45 | JordiGH | Does the order of entries in sources.list matter at all? I set testing as the default release in apt.conf, and aptitude is fetching unstable packages when their version matches the testing version, which freaks me out a little as it's downloading them, thinking it's downloading more unstable than I want it to. |
| 15:13.30 | cantido | JordiGH: have you configured pinning? |
| 15:13.37 | JordiGH | cantido: No. |
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| 15:15.44 | fasta | cantido, it seems I lost my public key. I don't even remember that I made the private key that I have. Is there a way to ask ssh for my public key? |
| 15:15.56 | bzed | JordiGH: it will download the packages from unstable if it is the same version as in testing if I remember right |
| 15:16.08 | kazaa_lite | its driving me nuts.... how do you install package in debian? I did 'apt-get install openssh-server' and it is asking me to insert disc 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20100131-19:16' |
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| 15:16.28 | JordiGH | bzed: Hm, changed the order of entries in sources.list Looks like it matters! |
| 15:16.39 | abrotman | !tell kazaa_lite about sources |
| 15:16.44 | Titan8990 | kazaa_lite: comment out the DVD sections of sources.list |
| 15:16.44 | bzed | JordiGH: uh? /me is confused |
| 15:16.51 | JordiGH | bzed: fo real |
| 15:16.57 | abrotman | kazaa_lite: in short, find an http source you want to use, comment out the cdrom source .. aptitude update && aptitude install openssh-server |
| 15:17.00 | fasta | cantido, I have a file id_dsa.keystore, but I don't think it contains my public key. |
| 15:17.02 | qwd | kazaa_lite: ...and use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 15:17.09 | fasta | I guess I will just make a new one. |
| 15:17.18 | kazaa_lite | oka..... lemme try this |
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| 15:17.39 | cantido | fasta: use ssh-keygen to generate yourself a key on the machine you're logging in from and then add the public key (the .pub file) to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the target |
| 15:17.47 | abrotman | kazaa_lite: such in your case, you might add 'deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main' to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:17.54 | fasta | cantido, yes, I know how the procedure works. |
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| 15:18.07 | cantido | fasta: you can create a key without a password or use an agent to handle things |
| 15:18.10 | fasta | cantido, I just don't use it enough to have a corporate private key. |
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| 15:18.38 | cantido | fasta: whats a corporate private key? |
| 15:18.49 | lifestream | To use scanner, I MUST have cups installed, right? (even though its for printers? |
| 15:18.58 | fasta | cantido, a key which is only used for company purposes. |
| 15:19.05 | garotosopa | What command line program do you suggest to cut the last 5 seconds of a wav/ogg audio file? |
| 15:19.10 | ccahoon | If I am running a pam kerberos authentication, where I can use both a kerberos principle password and a normal shadow password, is there a way to set up a new user with a shadow password once that has been activated? |
| 15:19.14 | cantido | lifestream: scanners are accessed via sane from what I remember |
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| 15:19.17 | fasta | cantido, as opposed to private purposes. |
| 15:19.25 | lifestream | cantido, yes |
| 15:19.25 | JordiGH | Hm, aptitude said this "tier" thing now, is that new? |
| 15:19.49 | abrotman | english ? |
| 15:19.56 | cantido | fasta: that doesnt really matter .. you just need to generate a private/public key pair and add the public part to the keys trusted by that box |
| 15:20.14 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when i try to run "debian-software-center" nothing happens ,anyone know abou this? |
| 15:20.21 | kazaa_lite | now what is Super Cow Powers?:P this aptitude does not have super cow powers |
| 15:20.28 | fasta | cantido, as I said, I know the procedure. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:20.30 | abrotman | kazaa_lite: aptitude -vvvvv |
| 15:20.30 | themill | garotosopa: mencoder can do that I believe. (/msg dpkg mencoder) |
| 15:21.21 | garotosopa | themill: I suppose mencoder isn't packaged on official repos |
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| 15:21.32 | wols | ,versions mencoder |
| 15:21.33 | judd | mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1; squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20100313-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20100407-0.0 |
| 15:21.33 | cantido | fasta: yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by corporate key.. if you mean your employee generates a key for you or something.. you dont really need to worry about that, you can generate a new key with different file names and drop that into the ssh command line if you need |
| 15:21.43 | themill | garotosopa: /msg dpkg mencoder |
| 15:21.47 | cahoot | garotosopa: ecasound |
| 15:21.49 | rhineheart_m | please confirm this if this is working.. wget http://opensourcevista.net:8888/NancysVistAServer/WVEHR-VOE1.0-Install/env2 |
| 15:22.14 | rhineheart_m | I just can't donwload here. it says connection refused.. something like that.. |
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| 15:22.44 | garotosopa | themill: cahoot: thanks! |
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| 15:32.07 | fasta | cantido, ssh-agent is running (via gdm), but it still asks for the password for the passwordless key. (using ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=publickey) |
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| 15:34.28 | themill | fasta: password or passphrase? |
| 15:34.44 | fasta | themill, phrase |
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| 15:35.27 | jpwhiting | hey all, can anyone here help me get nvidia drivers working on debian unstable? |
| 15:35.38 | jpwhiting | my machine worked fine yesterday with arch, so I know it should work :) |
| 15:35.51 | jpwhiting | I've got a geforce 7300 gs |
| 15:35.53 | wols | where did you get your nvidia drivers? |
| 15:36.01 | jpwhiting | from debian |
| 15:36.11 | wols | and your problem is? |
| 15:36.12 | jpwhiting | apt-get nvidia-kernel-common and such |
| 15:36.18 | jpwhiting | x is not working :) |
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| 15:36.23 | jpwhiting | it shows green and grey stripes |
| 15:36.25 | jpwhiting | vertical |
| 15:36.26 | keeton | pretty good tutorial on ssh without a password: http://blogs.sun.com/jkini/entry/how_to_scp_scp_and |
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| 15:36.49 | Titan8990 | jpwhiting: did you follow the nvidia guide on the wiki? |
| 15:36.51 | jpwhiting | wols: Xorg.0.log says it is working fine, no (EE) in there |
| 15:37.16 | jpwhiting | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers <-- this one, yeah |
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| 15:37.38 | cantido | jpwhiting: I havent been able to get the kernel module to build in sid for ages.. |
| 15:37.40 | jpwhiting | I've also got 2 screens, so maybe that's messing it up somehow? |
| 15:37.52 | jpwhiting | cantido: what do you use then? |
| 15:37.53 | cantido | jpwhiting: you need to look at your xorg log first |
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| 15:38.12 | jpwhiting | yeah, the log has no errors and seems to be using nv instead :( |
| 15:38.43 | Titan8990 | jpwhiting: your seriously running sid? |
| 15:38.47 | cantido | jpwhiting: you need to build the kernel module and get the nvidia-glx bit installed and it should work |
| 15:38.52 | jpwhiting | Titan8990: yep |
| 15:38.52 | wols | Titan8990: why do you even ask? |
| 15:39.05 | cantido | jpwhiting: but as I said I haven't managed to get that to build against sid for ages |
| 15:39.09 | jpwhiting | cantido: do I need nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-legacy though? |
| 15:39.13 | wols | jpwhiting: wfm |
| 15:39.24 | wols | Titan8990: and before you ask, yes I do run it :P |
| 15:39.34 | jpwhiting | wfm? I don't know that acronym yet... |
| 15:39.47 | jpwhiting | wipe the f&*( manual? ;) |
| 15:39.54 | cantido | jpwhiting: the description of the packages tells you which is for which |
| 15:39.55 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when i try to run "debian-software-center" nothing happens ,anyone know abou this? |
| 15:39.55 | wols | !wfm |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 15:40.00 | Titan8990 | wols: I do as well. *most* of my machines are lenny though |
| 15:40.08 | jpwhiting | ah, ok |
| 15:40.22 | Titan8990 | and also, the nvidia driver works fine on my sid box as well |
| 15:40.26 | wols | jpwhiting: what did you do so far to install the drivers? |
| 15:40.34 | fasta | keeton, I followed that tutorial, but it still asks for a passphrase. |
| 15:40.35 | ham5 | I run the nvidia driver as well |
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| 15:40.54 | jpwhiting | wols: I did the m-a install step |
| 15:41.01 | jpwhiting | then nvidia-xconfig |
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| 15:41.44 | fasta | keeton, ok, now it works. |
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| 15:41.58 | Titan8990 | jpwhiting: you also need nvidia-glx, as describbed in the guide |
| 15:42.04 | wols | jpwhiting: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 15:42.07 | jpwhiting | yep, got that |
| 15:42.14 | jpwhiting | ok, one sec |
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| 15:42.22 | genjin | Does an exit status of 255 have a specific meaning? |
| 15:42.23 | wols | jpwhiting: and for good measure, lsmod |grep nvidia |
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| 15:42.45 | wols | gngkai: not specific. each program can do whatever they want with exit codes |
| 15:42.57 | fasta | Can I also configure ssh such that it always uses username foo for a particular connection? |
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| 15:43.06 | fasta | Or server, rather. |
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| 15:43.10 | jpwhiting | wols: I have nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-4-686, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:43.18 | cantido | fasta: thats in your local ssh config |
| 15:43.22 | wols | jpwhiting: pastebin |
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| 15:43.36 | jpwhiting | wols: and i2c_core is using nvidia |
| 15:43.47 | jpwhiting | wols: how do I pastebin from a console? |
| 15:43.57 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 15:43.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 15:44.17 | jpwhiting | ah, ok |
| 15:44.41 | \amethyst | fasta: in ~/.ssh/config you can do Host *.foobar.com <newline> User fred |
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| 15:45.11 | fasta | \amethyst, thanks |
| 15:45.20 | \amethyst | fasta: just remember to put those at the end, since 'Host' applies to everything until the next 'Host' or until EOF; man ssh_config for more details |
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| 15:47.36 | fasta | \amethyst, other than that someone decided to boot Windows on the machine I am configuring this for, it seems to work perfectly :D |
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| 15:50.33 | jpwhiting | wols: ok, now I have nvidia loaded, and ran nvidia-xconfig to tell X to use nvidia instead of nv |
| 15:50.44 | jpwhiting | now I don't get the green and grey stripes, I just get black screen |
| 15:50.57 | jpwhiting | and no errors in Xorg.0.log |
| 15:51.01 | Tortel | For some reason, today my syaptics touchpad driver stopped working. touchpad works, but I lost scolling and tap clicking. Im running sid, and I dont think any of the updates broke it... |
| 15:52.00 | jpwhiting | wols: maybe I need to setup the display info better or something? |
| 15:52.16 | jpwhiting | or remove it from my XF86Config that nvidia-xconfig created so it will autodetect correctly? |
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| 15:54.41 | eshat | How to I slow down my synaptics touchpad without an xorg.conf (on sid/unstable) |
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| 15:56.04 | JordiGH | eshat: Uh, why without an xorg.conf? |
| 15:56.43 | LuciusMare | Hi, I use kde 4.3.4, and I downloaded a new screensaver for it - installed by copying the .desktop file to /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/ - it didnt show in the "systemsettings" screensaver menu anyway, so i checked if it went right - and I saw, there is a huge pile of .desktop files, and none of them seem to appear there - how to make them? |
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| 15:56.58 | zelia5 | hello |
| 15:57.03 | tharkun | !tell eshat about sid |
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| 15:57.48 | tharkun | d |
| 15:58.16 | zelia5 | I have a debian system, which monitors some hosts, but once a day i lose all conectivity to it, nmap with -P0 says the host is down, but in fact it isnt.. since it draws graphs and the pool process never stops, but I can't connect to it in any way, it's on a virtual machine, any logs I can check or smtn ?:/ |
| 15:59.01 | tharkun | zelia5: start up with the host, then check hte clients logs |
| 15:59.04 | \amethyst | zelia5: do you run the host that the virtual machine is on? |
| 15:59.15 | \amethyst | zelia5: it sounds like the vm is being paused for backups or something |
| 15:59.19 | zelia5 | no, only the virtual machine |
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| 15:59.34 | \amethyst | iow, something that the host is doing |
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| 15:59.55 | cantido | zelia5: it happens everyday at the same time? |
| 16:00.03 | zelia5 | cantido: random |
| 16:00.07 | \amethyst | oh, wait, so said there was evidence it was still doing work while inaccessible? |
| 16:00.13 | \amethyst | s/so/you/ |
| 16:00.23 | zelia5 | amethyst: exactly |
| 16:00.48 | cantido | zelia5: and from the graphs it appears it can still connect to other hosts, just you cant connect to it |
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| 16:01.00 | zelia5 | cantido: yup |
| 16:01.28 | zelia5 | and to be honest, I don't know if there are logs I can look at for that kind of problem... |
| 16:01.31 | cantido | zelia5: have you done a traceroute during the down period to see how far the packets are getting? |
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| 16:02.11 | cantido | zelia5: it could be a case that nothing is actually getting to the VM.. it would appear its networking is fine though if its still graphing |
| 16:02.13 | zelia5 | I did but... kinda forgot to where... xD |
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| 16:02.47 | cantido | zelia5: are the hosts is getting data from on the same network? |
| 16:02.50 | zelia5 | the server guy says its probably problem within debian... I don't trust'em tho |
| 16:02.52 | zelia5 | :D |
| 16:03.10 | cantido | zelia5: s/is/it's/ |
| 16:03.15 | zelia5 | no, it has about 4 interfaces, all in different vlans, pooling from which never stoped |
| 16:03.24 | \amethyst | do you have exact times it disappeared and reappeared? |
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| 16:03.42 | \amethyst | you could check /var/logs/{messages,syslog,...} for relevant things from around those times |
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| 16:03.57 | zelia5 | no, but when the server guy enters his windows server and opens the console to my machine, connectivity re-appears |
| 16:04.08 | cantido | dmesg might have some stuff too.. |
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| 16:05.21 | cantido | zelia5: is the interface/vlan you're using to connect in also being used to graph something? |
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| 16:05.49 | zelia5 | yes, there is such |
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| 16:06.07 | zelia5 | just tried the dmesg but ... dunno what to make out of the output |
| 16:06.11 | zelia5 | one sec |
| 16:06.18 | PinkFreud | lames all over Brain |
| 16:06.22 | cantido | so it isnt that your access vlan/interface is wonky |
| 16:06.51 | zelia5 | can I paste a link here ? |
| 16:07.07 | cantido | zelia5: to a pastebin, yeah |
| 16:07.14 | zelia5 | http://85.217.191.171:8080/out.txt |
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| 16:07.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | hm couldn't get the nvidia module to compile for the backport kernel ^^ |
| 16:07.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | the strange thing is, I could not install the linux-header-2.6.32 |
| 16:08.09 | cantido | KaffeeJunky123: did you get weird messages about missing files? |
| 16:09.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | cantido: no just a kernel module couldn't be build error |
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| 16:09.21 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: how do you expect to compile it without headers? |
| 16:09.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | cantido: I've configured the kernel sources my self using make oldconfig and make prepare |
| 16:09.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: kernel sources |
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| 16:09.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: You can pass the nvidia installer a custom path to them, they've to be configured ofc |
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| 16:10.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: Is there a way to clone the configuration of the running kernel? |
| 16:10.53 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: you hav the actualy, CONFIGURED, kernel source which was used to compile this kernel? |
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| 16:11.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: well I guess they weren't |
| 16:11.21 | wols | yes there is. /boot has the kernel config files for each installed kernel |
| 16:11.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: so I could cp them? |
| 16:11.40 | wols | in the kernel source tree this file is then named .config |
| 16:11.49 | redrut | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKf3Vhh0iWY |
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| 16:12.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: I used the linux-source-2.6.32 file from the backports repo, i'm not sure if it contains the correct sources |
| 16:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | meh, drive-by spammers |
| 16:12.31 | wols | I am |
| 16:12.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: Maybe i should do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 instead |
| 16:12.40 | wols | but not for compiling additional modules |
| 16:12.50 | wols | you should build and install kernel headers |
| 16:13.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | from the sources? |
| 16:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps we should find out why <KaffeeJunky123> the strange thing is, I could not install the linux-header-2.6.32 |
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| 16:13.35 | wols | perhaps |
| 16:13.41 | JordiGH | How can dpkg restart gdm without killing my X server? |
| 16:13.46 | JordiGH | Software these days, it does magic. |
| 16:14.00 | wols | dpkg: you're special |
| 16:14.00 | dpkg | wols: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 16:14.26 | isosphere | I'm using debian sid, and I've found that absolutely any operation with apt-get takes a very long time. Installing or removing even small packages takes a few minutes, when I remember earlier it being faster. The "reading database" stage seems to be the slowest - is there anything I can do to speed up apt-get operations? |
| 16:14.47 | wols | buy more RAM and a faster CPU |
| 16:14.53 | JordiGH | Don't use sid. |
| 16:14.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | CutMeOwnThroat: the linux-kbuild-2.6.32 package is not installable |
| 16:14.56 | wols | trim your sources.list |
| 16:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | uninstall packages... |
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| 16:15.03 | wols | yes, use lenny. lot less packages |
| 16:15.07 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 16:15.07 | dpkg | somebody said pieces was ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
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| 16:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | KaffeeJunky123, I think we established that... the question was why. Try installing only that package |
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| 16:16.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastie.org/919580 |
| 16:16.44 | wols | that kbuild part is a long standing problem I think. at least I dimly remmeber something like that |
| 16:16.56 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: why 2.6.32? |
| 16:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, now I get eye-cancer |
| 16:16.59 | isosphere | My sources.list is as trim as it can be, and I do tend to uninstall things I don't use. I'll stick with sid even if it makes my apt-get slow, simply to have more up-to-date packages |
| 16:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | the COLORS |
| 16:17.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: becaus it's the latest bpo kernel, should I use another one? |
| 16:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | , versions linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 |
| 16:17.33 | judd | linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-9~bpo50+1 |
| 16:17.34 | JordiGH | isosphere: And buggier! |
| 16:17.41 | JordiGH | isosphere: sid is for bug lovers. |
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| 16:17.49 | isosphere | :P I haven't had any bug problems yet |
| 16:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions linux-kbuild-2.6.32 |
| 16:18.01 | judd | linux-kbuild-2.6.32 -- sid: 2.6.32-1; squeeze: 2.6.32-1 |
| 16:18.06 | JordiGH | isosphere: What? |
| 16:18.16 | JordiGH | isosphere: How the hell could you have not? Sid is *riddled* with bugs! |
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| 16:18.35 | tharkun | !broken in sid |
| 16:18.35 | dpkg | Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>. |
| 16:18.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | JordiGH: he's probably thinking those bugs are features |
| 16:18.50 | isosphere | lol |
| 16:18.52 | JordiGH | lol |
| 16:19.07 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: please use aptitude not apt-get. While it wouldn't help in this specific case, it gives better error messages if nothing else (as well as often being able to fix problems like this where apt-get would just give up) |
| 16:19.08 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: get the kbuild package from squeeze |
| 16:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so it depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.32 which is only in squeeze |
| 16:19.19 | darkk^ | is there any tool for post-mortem(!) integrity analisys? e.g. something, that may compare md5sum of /usr/sbin/sshd with md5sum of the file from installed deb package. |
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| 16:19.29 | themill | darkk^: debsums |
| 16:19.29 | JordiGH | darkk^: debusms |
| 16:19.56 | Titan8990 | I didn't even get passed d-e-b before I lost on that one |
| 16:19.57 | tharkun | The winner is ... |
| 16:20.07 | darkk^ | tharkun, JordiGH, thanks! |
| 16:20.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: so I should add the sueeze repo and install linux-kbuild-2.6.32? |
| 16:20.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | *squeeze |
| 16:20.39 | wols | you can try. and I didn't say to edit sources.list, did I? |
| 16:20.42 | Titan8990 | you could manually fetch the package from packages.debian.org |
| 16:20.45 | wols | tho: why do you need .32? |
| 16:21.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: better nvidia stuff |
| 16:21.17 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: this is pure bullshit |
| 16:21.30 | wols | the newest nvidia stuff works fine with 2.6.26 |
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| 16:21.35 | Titan8990 | "better nvidia stuff"... the new open source driver? |
| 16:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions libc6 |
| 16:21.43 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
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| 16:21.55 | wols | Titan8990: that one isn't in debian either. don't you need a newer xorg for it too? |
| 16:22.06 | jpwhiting | wols: ok, I am using nvidia, getting no errors in Xorg.0.log either, and x is just black screen |
| 16:22.08 | Titan8990 | wols: believe so, yes |
| 16:22.09 | jpwhiting | on both monitors |
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| 16:22.14 | jpwhiting | or any combination of them |
| 16:22.43 | jpwhiting | nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx says it works on 7300 GS nvidia-glx says it works on 6000 and higher |
| 16:22.46 | jpwhiting | using nvidia-glx now |
| 16:23.13 | tharkun | I am looking for a total noob, fool proof python tutorial any recomendations. Google does not have an index on this properties ;P |
| 16:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | KaffeeJunky123, in this specific case, yes (compare /msg dpkg mixing distributions) |
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| 16:23.33 | wols | tharkun: google "how to think like a computer scientist" |
| 16:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, wols is a total noob, fool.... oh, didn't read the full sentence |
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| 16:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | runs |
| 16:24.09 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: you found out my secret. now prepare to DIE! |
| 16:24.19 | Titan8990 | wols: I read that book. MIT book about python, right? |
| 16:24.19 | wols | tharkun: it's available as a free ebook too btw |
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| 16:24.27 | fasta | tharkun, why do you want to learn Python? |
| 16:24.34 | Azeotrope | any idea how I could install debian or other linux on a netbook that has no screen? |
| 16:24.35 | wols | Titan8990: not MIT afaik. was written for a high scool course IIRC |
| 16:24.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | C++ is all you'll ever need ;) |
| 16:24.52 | fasta | tharkun, unless you have to for your job, there are lots of reasons to learn something else. |
| 16:24.53 | wols | !tell Azeotrope about ssh install |
| 16:25.00 | Titan8990 | wols: ah.. I just recalled finding it when looking through the free MIT course stuff |
| 16:26.11 | JordiGH | Is there a way to purge all packages that have been uninstalled but not purged? |
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| 16:31.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: dpkg + xargs + dpkg ? |
| 16:31.47 | tharkun | fasta: No special reason, the same way i learned asm, c, perl, bash and all the other stuff around |
| 16:32.06 | fasta | tharkun, ? |
| 16:32.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: Hm, --get-selections lists uninstalled but not purged? |
| 16:32.14 | fasta | tharkun, I asked _why_, not how. |
| 16:32.16 | abrotman | i didn't say that? |
| 16:32.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't say you did, I'm asking, you idiot. |
| 16:32.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: there is also aptitude magic .. nto sure if your ubuntu has that |
| 16:32.38 | tharkun | fasta: i answeared the reason |
| 16:32.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm not using ubuntu, you idiot. |
| 16:32.51 | abrotman | right .. have fun with what you know |
| 16:33.00 | tharkun | fasta: which is usually the proper answear for the question why? |
| 16:33.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: if you really want to mess with a language were wrong indentation is a syntax error, go ahead and start learning it ^^ |
| 16:33.15 | pallgone | tharkun: idiot? |
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| 16:33.33 | pallgone | at least it seems to be here... ;) |
| 16:33.56 | themill | JordiGH, abrotman: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 16:34.06 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: I'll write that down. thx |
| 16:34.06 | abrotman | i knew that .. |
| 16:34.25 | fasta | pallgone, he just is not native. |
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| 16:34.41 | abrotman | maybe some day JordiGH will being mean and nasty to people .. jeez |
| 16:34.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: what exactly do you want to use python for? |
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| 16:35.52 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: tumgreyspf has no documentation at all. I need to whitelist some mta's so i don't reject valid email. |
| 16:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, this sentence no verb... |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | stop |
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| 16:36.50 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: First thing i need to understand is how it works and it happens to be written in Python |
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| 16:39.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: um maybe you're just configuring it wrong ^^ |
| 16:40.13 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: from man tumgreyspf " This man page is a place holder for whoever wants to write a doc to this." |
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| 16:40.39 | themill | tharkun: at least you'll soon be in a position to write it :) |
| 16:40.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: lol |
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| 16:44.21 | tharkun | themill: I will first understand the program then i will manage to write something in my broken English for someone to review. |
| 16:44.35 | tharkun | Do you volunteer? |
| 16:45.12 | themill | tharkun: you'd be better off sending it to the upstream developers as they are more familiar with their program so they can both edit it for style and grammar as well as check that it is correct. |
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| 16:47.09 | tharkun | themill: Good point, I'll comply with that. |
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| 16:51.19 | sdousley|work | does anyone here know how I can pre-configure proftpd prior to running aptitude install proftpd so that it automatically chooses "Standalone" rather than inetd? |
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| 16:51.52 | wols | build your own package |
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| 16:52.08 | xok | hello... |
| 16:52.20 | xok | I've got debian etch and faced some strange problem... |
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| 16:52.41 | xok | I've got in my system files which can't be chmoded... |
| 16:52.51 | xok | the "ls -l" shows such thing: |
| 16:52.58 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 16:52.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:52.59 | xok | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 16:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | check the permissions of the directory |
| 16:53.31 | xok | Titan8990: can you help me with this?.. |
| 16:53.53 | Titan8990 | xok: it only appears that way with certain files? |
| 16:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that isn't unusual, fsck the partition |
| 16:54.02 | xok | CutMeOwnThroat: drwxr-xr-x |
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| 16:54.15 | xok | Titan8990: yes, only for kernel and initrd... |
| 16:54.22 | themill | sdousley|work: that's configured via a debconf question isn't it? You can poke the answer you want into debconf in advance using debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections. |
| 16:55.07 | Titan8990 | xok: im with CutMeOwnThroat, fsck the partition |
| 16:55.23 | sdousley|work | themill: Yes, that's what I was thinking, as I've done that with MySQL, however, I dont appear to have debconf-get-selections to try and work out how to set it |
| 16:55.40 | xok | let me do... |
| 16:56.25 | xok | hm... |
| 16:56.38 | xok | fixed, but now kernels have been disappeared... ;-( |
| 16:56.42 | xok | what can I do?.. |
| 16:56.44 | sdousley|work | themill: I just stumbled across a way to do it with MySQL in the hunt to find how to do it with any packages that asked questions |
| 16:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | reinstall them? |
| 16:56.54 | xok | I'm from live CD right now.. |
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| 16:56.55 | themill | sdousley|work: "apt-file search debconf-get-selections" for that step. You can see what the values are after you've configured it youself, or poke around in the "config" and "postinst" files for the package. |
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| 16:57.20 | xok | can you please give me the link from where I can download the exact kernel?.. |
| 16:57.41 | xok | the kernel was 2.6.18.6 for debian etch... |
| 16:58.07 | ham5 | kernel.org |
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| 16:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !oldstable |
| 16:58.33 | dpkg | oldstable is probably the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 16:58.44 | sdousley|work | themill: ah, I need to install debconf-utils for debconf-get-selectiosn |
| 16:58.45 | Titan8990 | !tell xok about snapshots |
| 16:59.19 | themill | sdousley|work: yes. (it's not something you need on most machines, whereas debconf you do need) |
| 16:59.22 | andiolsi | EXACT :p ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.6.tar.gz |
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| 16:59.34 | themill | andiolsi: fsvo "exact" |
| 16:59.57 | xok | andiolsi: thank you very much... |
| 17:00.02 | Titan8990 | the .18 vanilla kernel is not the same as the .18 that was in etch (which would have got backported security patches) |
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| 17:00.10 | xok | Titan8990: thank you too... |
| 17:00.21 | themill | xok: andiolsi's link is useless for you. |
| 17:00.32 | xok | themill: why?.. |
| 17:00.45 | xok | oh, yeah... |
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| 17:00.50 | xok | it's a vanilla kernel... |
| 17:00.51 | themill | xok: that's not the source for the debian package and you want the compiled kernel anyway |
| 17:00.54 | sdousley|work | themill: yes, that's fine. OK, the machine i'm wanting to install has no relation to proftpd, so, I'm guessing, I'll need to get a machine with it installed and run debconf-get-selections and find the proftpd data? |
| 17:00.54 | xok | I need a Debian one.. |
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| 17:01.02 | andiolsi | its not useless |
| 17:01.11 | xok | themill: yeah, you're right, thanks... |
| 17:01.12 | andiolsi | you config is in /boot/ |
| 17:01.17 | andiolsi | +r |
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| 17:01.22 | themill | andiolsi: it's still not the right source |
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| 17:01.40 | andiolsi | how so? |
| 17:01.48 | linduxed | i've gotten the task to give a user on a server rights to a directory and all of its subdirs |
| 17:02.04 | linduxed | so i've got a group that works for just that |
| 17:02.14 | wols | xok: snapshot.debian.org should have this kernel |
| 17:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | xok, did you look in /var/cache/apt/archives if the kernel image ist stll around from the last time it was installed? |
| 17:02.27 | linduxed | i added the user to the group, chowned the dir recursively to that group |
| 17:02.28 | xok | Titan8990: can you please help me find my version of kernel on the site you gave me?.. |
| 17:02.32 | xok | I can't.. ;-9 |
| 17:02.37 | themill | sdousley|work: work in a vm or a chroot or look in the "config" file inside proftpd-basic. (mc is useful for that) |
| 17:02.42 | linduxed | did a chmod 777 on the stuff |
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| 17:03.03 | linduxed | and then i su to the user, and i still can't use the stuff |
| 17:03.25 | linduxed | so i did a ls -l and noticed a + on the end of some dirs |
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| 17:03.37 | linduxed | afaik this indicates ACLs |
| 17:03.38 | xok | CutMeOwnThroat: the kernel was installed right from the CD... |
| 17:03.50 | xok | no additional changes where made to the kernel... |
| 17:03.54 | linduxed | so i removed the ACLs from one of the dirs and it worked |
| 17:03.56 | linduxed | now |
| 17:04.25 | andiolsi | xok maybe: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-24_all.deb or http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_all.deb ? |
| 17:04.25 | xok | I can't find my version of kernel in snapshot.debian.org... |
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| 17:04.30 | xok | can anyone please help?.. |
| 17:04.44 | linduxed | i have NO idea what extended attributes are in place, but i did se a _lot_ of stuff with + when i did ls -l * |
| 17:04.47 | wols | xok: I told you. and: etch repos are still available too |
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| 17:05.01 | linduxed | so i would assume that there is some idea in all of this |
| 17:05.09 | linduxed | but as said i have no idea what |
| 17:05.28 | xok | wols: yeah, I'm on that site right now, but can't find the kernel... |
| 17:05.30 | linduxed | is there something you'd recommend doing in this situation? |
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| 17:06.13 | linduxed | i need to provide the user with access to the entire dir recursively, but i won't dare removing all the attribs |
| 17:06.13 | xok | andiolsi: thank you, but this is a source, I need the binary file... |
| 17:06.23 | sdousley|work | themill: the machine i'm installing proftpd on is only a test machine anyway. Basically, i'm looking to run a script to install new servers with our own debian mirror, and certain packages (proftpd and MySQL included) |
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| 17:06.53 | andiolsi | xok: oh, the binary strip the .deb from the link, and get it |
| 17:07.05 | andiolsi | there is tons of old stuff |
| 17:07.20 | wols | xok: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-latest-2.6/6/#linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.18:2b:6 |
| 17:07.23 | linduxed | is there some way to get an overview of what these attribs are doing? |
| 17:07.29 | Titan8990 | xok: look, just chroot into the install -> aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:07.32 | wols | xok: you really didn't look |
| 17:08.01 | xok | Titan8990: shame on me.. :-D |
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| 17:08.48 | linduxed | the problem is mainly as you can understand the overview of the situation |
| 17:08.53 | linduxed | there is none really |
| 17:08.56 | linduxed | i mean |
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| 17:09.00 | wols | !enter |
| 17:09.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:09.16 | linduxed | wols: note taken |
| 17:09.25 | SMK\Bret | Hey guys is there a way of starting programs in swap memory? |
| 17:10.02 | wols | SMK\Bret: you cannot run stuff in swap, so obviously no |
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| 17:10.54 | SMK\Bret | Hm |
| 17:10.56 | xok | thank you guys very much... |
| 17:11.11 | SMK\Bret | I could swear the program I am trying to run said that int heir testing it used 20mb virtual memory and 4mb of phsyical memory |
| 17:11.17 | SMK\Bret | Just curious as to how they did it like that |
| 17:11.25 | linduxed | i believe there is a system in place, but i'm mostly wondering if there is a simple way of adding a group recursively to a dir, or maybe adjust the ACLs appropriately with some tool |
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| 17:11.37 | wols | SMK\Bret: man top |
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| 17:11.59 | wols | SMK\Bret: additionally: allocated != committed |
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| 17:12.24 | linduxed | my main concern is that i don't spend hours upon hours of getfacl'ing through all the thosands of files and dirs in question |
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| 17:13.48 | olspookishmagus | I have an HP Color LaserJet 2600n. Would you go for [1] or [2]? [1] http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/ [2] http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foo2zjs&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 17:14.32 | keith4 | 2 |
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| 17:15.25 | keith4 | olspookishmagus: i have the same printer, and it works fine with cups and foo2zjs |
| 17:15.40 | olspookishmagus | thanks keith4 <3 |
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| 17:15.59 | themill | keith4: perhaps add that to the openprinting page for that printer (it says to use foo2hp) |
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| 17:17.09 | action09 | oy |
| 17:17.11 | JusticeI | hey guys |
| 17:17.17 | keith4 | themill: i haven't futzed with it in years. maybe i should try foo2hp |
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| 17:17.26 | flo|linux | hi |
| 17:17.35 | flo|linux | how can i install a deb file on my HD? |
| 17:17.47 | themill | keith4: actually, foo2hp looks to just be the upstream for foo2zjs (who don't like distributions) |
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| 17:17.48 | Lazy^ | dpkg -i |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | Lazy^: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:17.49 | JusticeI | dpkg --install file.deb, perhaps? |
| 17:17.50 | dpkg | JusticeI: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:17.55 | JusticeI | oh wow |
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| 17:18.09 | Lazy^ | flo|linux: dpkg -i x.deb |
| 17:18.26 | flo|linux | thanks Lazy^ ;) |
| 17:18.32 | flo|linux | (i tried with apt*) |
| 17:18.45 | JusticeI | I got that weird problem with Debian, never seen it before and I have used 4 Debian distros in last months |
| 17:18.47 | JusticeI | http://pastebin.com/n7J016yg |
| 17:18.47 | keith4 | themill: indeed, zless /usr/share/ppd/foo2zjs/HP-Color_LaserJet_2600n.ppd.gz reveals: *ShortNickName: "HP Color LaserJet 2600n foo2hp" |
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| 17:19.06 | JusticeI | read log ^ please, about desktop-base |
| 17:19.24 | JusticeI | cant remove it, cant purge it, and I use lilo, not grub |
| 17:19.50 | keith4 | olspookishmagus: so... it seems that they are the same thing. might as well use the package, in that case |
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| 17:22.25 | themill | JusticeI: what does "dpkg -l coreutils" say? |
| 17:22.47 | JusticeI | is it lowercase L or uppercase i what you said? |
| 17:23.05 | themill | lowercase L |
| 17:23.07 | JusticeI | see, I got this font .. lol |
| 17:23.10 | JusticeI | thanks |
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| 17:23.42 | Tortel | ok, im really pissed off. synaptics touchpad driver is no longer working. the toouchpad works, but its jumpy as hell and scroll/tap dotn work. The drivers are there and configured, but its just not working |
| 17:24.13 | JusticeI | it says http://vvcap.net/db/feGKjc1fg8-NLOcCO8Iv.png |
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| 17:25.26 | themill | JusticeI: and the output of "echo $PATH; ls -l /usr/bin/basename" |
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| 17:26.22 | JusticeI | http://vvcap.net/db/ZhRj2FuDke1eBOXJUsme.png |
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| 17:27.37 | Titan8990 | pictures of the screen? no networking? |
| 17:28.04 | themill | JusticeI: hmm.... what's the output of "ls -l /boot" (putting the text in a pastebin would be easier than a screen-capture btw) |
| 17:28.22 | JusticeI | alright |
| 17:29.13 | JusticeI | http://pastebin.com/gSwKrWLL |
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| 17:30.26 | Apachez | is it possible to force to reinstall all currently installed packages ? |
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| 17:30.43 | themill | JusticeI: where is this kernel from, by the way? That doesn't look like a debian kernel |
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| 17:30.52 | themill | Apachez: aptitude reinstall '~i' |
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| 17:31.35 | JusticeI | it's OVH standard linux version |
| 17:31.41 | JusticeI | lenny i386 |
| 17:32.07 | themill | JusticeI: I'm guessing that your grub2 config doesn't like that kernel name. |
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| 17:32.47 | JusticeI | but I do use lilo |
| 17:32.52 | Apachez | themill: tnx... according to the person im helping the output after running that is "but that whines about intermediate something..." |
| 17:33.06 | JusticeI | hence no clue why dpkg asks for grub |
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| 17:34.32 | themill | Apachez: fantastic... good luck with that. |
| 17:34.32 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/68856/ <-- get this in dmesg when trying to mount a dvd drive. |
| 17:34.45 | stuckey | nothing in /media/cdrom0/ |
| 17:35.03 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/68857/ <--- mount says this |
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| 17:35.59 | themill | JusticeI: you could probably remove grub entirely then. |
| 17:36.40 | Tortel | whats the config file that controls what ttys are started on boot? |
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| 17:36.51 | nextgens | rehi |
| 17:37.05 | Apachez | Tortel: its not /etc/inittab any longer :P |
| 17:37.17 | JusticeI | themill |
| 17:37.18 | JusticeI | Package: grub |
| 17:37.18 | JusticeI | State: not installed |
| 17:37.18 | JusticeI | Version: 0.97-47lenny2 |
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| 17:37.20 | Apachez | its hidden in /etc/defaults/something/consoles or something retarded |
| 17:37.24 | JusticeI | damm, 3 lines? |
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| 17:37.31 | nextgens | I still didn't receive anything back from the bugtracker (I have emailed @control a few hours ago) |
| 17:37.35 | JusticeI | c'mon |
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| 17:37.52 | stuckey | Is this the DVD or the drive itself or? |
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| 17:37.56 | nextgens | is there any way I can track what is hapenning? |
| 17:38.08 | themill | JusticeI: four lines with "themill" tacked on to the front. The output of "aptitude search '~ngrub~i'" will show you what grub packages are installed |
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| 17:38.30 | Tortel | Apachez, then what is it? i lost all of my ttys |
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| 17:39.19 | Apachez | hang on |
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| 17:40.29 | stuckey | I tried another disc and it worked. |
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| 17:42.23 | stuckey | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:42.47 | Apachez | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549317 |
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| 17:44.01 | JusticeI | well it helped, but is it somehow explainable? |
| 17:44.05 | JusticeI | themill ? |
| 17:44.34 | themill | JusticeI: lines beginning with "i" are for installed packages. You can remove them if you're using lilo. |
| 17:44.38 | JusticeI | why dpkg tried to use grub and hence failed to work |
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| 17:44.47 | JusticeI | I said it helped ;) |
| 17:44.55 | JusticeI | removed grub-pc and grub-common |
| 17:44.57 | JusticeI | thanks |
| 17:45.24 | themill | JusticeI: no idea why you had grub installed if you're using lilo. Presumably someone wacked it on as part of a standard image without thinking. |
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| 17:45.26 | Titan8990 | JusticeI: there was a recent topic about that on the debian-user mailing list. Have a search through the archives |
| 17:45.58 | JusticeI | alright, thanks guys |
| 17:45.59 | JusticeI | ;) |
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| 17:47.41 | karlpinc | stuckey: Some dvds with copy protection have built-in bad sectors.... |
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| 17:47.56 | stuckey | karlpinc: it's a dvd I burned |
| 17:48.09 | stuckey | a few weeks ago. It worked fine until today. |
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| 17:49.03 | karlpinc | stuckey: You tried cleaning it? |
| 17:49.12 | stuckey | karlpinc: Even if it isn't dirty at all? |
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| 17:50.02 | karlpinc | stuckey: Dunno. Just going down the checklist. |
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| 17:51.08 | stuckey | karlpinc: okay I think I did more harm than good but I'll try it again |
| 17:51.34 | stuckey | mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 |
| 17:51.57 | stuckey | I should mention too that I get an error at boot time, when I get to the step that says "Mounting filesystems..." it says something about couldn't mount /dev/sr0 |
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| 17:53.56 | karlpinc | stuckey: You could check to see that the drive is entirely plugged in and such. But I assume it works with other dvd disks? |
| 17:54.04 | stuckey | karlpinc: it just worked with another disc |
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| 17:54.36 | stuckey | it says it mounted it, but there's nothing in /media/cdrom0 |
| 17:55.19 | kla | is there a difference between specifying defaults, nodev and only specifying nodev in /etc/fstab (lenny) |
| 17:55.23 | karlpinc | stuckey: Okay.. So maybe it's hardware. |
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| 17:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing unusual about that... the lasers of dvd drives deadjust over time. Try in a different dvd drive... |
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| 18:01.22 | stuckey | karlpinc: works on a windoze box |
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| 18:03.52 | kla | ? |
| 18:04.03 | ham5 | built in tool to convert a jpg to a flash file? |
| 18:04.14 | ham5 | convert? |
| 18:04.39 | atlas95 | reuh |
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| 18:05.24 | stuckey | ./exit |
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| 18:08.23 | elfakyn | quick question: what is cdn.debian.net and why is it down? |
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| 18:09.49 | elfakyn | thanks in anticipation |
| 18:09.50 | jelly-home | elfakyn: experimental GeoDNS-based debian mirror service |
| 18:10.36 | elfakyn | oh, thanks. one question: building a live debian system, this site is accessed (and fails) |
| 18:10.46 | jelly-home | elfakyn: I'm not affiliated with it, so I don't know why it is down. You can go and configure a normal mirror in your /etc/apt/sources.list instead |
| 18:11.10 | elfakyn | I'll try to change it and see if it works. thanks for your help |
| 18:11.15 | jelly-home | it could be your resolver doesn't work at all |
| 18:11.32 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 18:11.33 | jelly-home | !cdn |
| 18:11.33 | dpkg | Package 'changelogs' are available at http://changelogs.debian.net |
| 18:11.37 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 18:14.03 | dutchfish | elfakyn: at my site it resolves. It's a cname and point for me to a working ip |
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| 18:19.26 | _anonymous_ | hi |
| 18:19.32 | _anonymous_ | how can i install tun module> |
| 18:19.32 | _anonymous_ | ? |
| 18:19.38 | _anonymous_ | is there some fast way? |
| 18:19.43 | ham5 | package manger? |
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| 18:19.55 | _anonymous_ | how is the package called? |
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| 18:20.14 | abrotman | it should already be there |
| 18:20.20 | abrotman | _anonymous_: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 18:20.46 | _anonymous_ | abrotman: /lib/modules/2.6.18-028stab066.8/ is empty |
| 18:20.53 | _anonymous_ | so i think it isn't there |
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| 18:21.54 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:22.25 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: a kernel with *stab* usually means vserver, not a real machine, which in turn means no custom kernel modules |
| 18:22.34 | jelly-home | or is it openvz |
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| 18:22.51 | _anonymous_ | so, how can i install that module there |
| 18:22.55 | _anonymous_ | i need it |
| 18:23.01 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: ask your provider |
| 18:23.06 | _anonymous_ | lol? |
| 18:23.17 | _anonymous_ | i am root |
| 18:23.25 | _anonymous_ | can't i install that module myself? |
| 18:23.30 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: you don't have a real machine |
| 18:23.37 | _anonymous_ | so? |
| 18:23.44 | _anonymous_ | what's the problem |
| 18:23.56 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: that _is_ the problem. |
| 18:24.05 | _anonymous_ | i can set vpn even in vmware |
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| 18:24.35 | jelly-home | openvz or vserver is lower quality than vmware or xen, where you have full control of the guest kernel |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | _anonymous_: that's not a Debian kernel, we have no idea what's in it .. ask your provider .. we can't help you munge that kernel |
| 18:24.53 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: get yourself a vmware guest then |
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| 18:26.40 | jelly-home | _anonymous_: or Xen domU, or vbox guest, or real hardware. But openvz is basically a glorified chroot. Lower overhead, but less control. |
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| 18:27.21 | Sereph | how do you list installed packages using apt? |
| 18:27.28 | jelly-home | !installed |
| 18:27.28 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | Sereph: ^^ |
| 18:27.42 | Sereph | thanks |
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| 18:29.00 | Sereph | jelly-home: you wouldnt happen to know why my versions for java and javac dont match? |
| 18:30.07 | Sereph | its the jre that is version 5.. |
| 18:30.20 | jelly-home | I would, but I'll let someone else handle java and update-alternatives for you |
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| 18:30.53 | jelly-home | !java alternatives |
| 18:30.54 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
| 18:31.18 | jelly-home | not sure if that works properly in lenny |
| 18:31.49 | Sereph | perfect |
| 18:31.54 | Sereph | update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun is what i used |
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| 18:39.12 | flo|linux | hi |
| 18:39.25 | flo|linux | i'd like to run archlinux' pacman on debian (to bootstrap an arch system) |
| 18:39.33 | flo|linux | however, it lacks some libraries |
| 18:39.38 | flo|linux | for example, liblzma |
| 18:39.44 | wols | !intallit |
| 18:39.46 | flo|linux | i can't find it anywhere in lenny |
| 18:39.49 | wols | !intall it |
| 18:39.54 | wols | oh well |
| 18:40.01 | wols | for what did you search? |
| 18:40.07 | flo|linux | liblzma and lzma |
| 18:40.11 | jelly-home | flo|linux: apt-cache search liblzma? |
| 18:40.19 | flo|linux | lzma is installed, liblzma is not present says aptitude |
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| 18:40.38 | flo|linux | jelly-home, no output |
| 18:40.38 | jelly-home | flo|linux: how did you search? |
| 18:40.56 | flo|linux | aptitude, enter "/liblzma<enter>" |
| 18:41.01 | jelly-home | judd: versions liblzma-dev |
| 18:41.02 | judd | liblzma-dev -- sid: 4.999.9beta+20100307-1; squeeze: 4.999.9beta+20100307-1 |
| 18:41.05 | flo|linux | jelly-home, and with apt-cache |
| 18:41.21 | jelly-home | seems like you'll have to backport it |
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| 18:41.25 | flo|linux | argh |
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| 18:41.52 | jelly-home | or if you don't care about the debian installation, upgrade it to squeeze (current testing) |
| 18:42.18 | flo|linux | jelly-home, i do care |
| 18:42.31 | jelly-home | oh, don't do that, then ;-) |
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| 18:42.50 | flo|linux | i assume i can't fake it with creating some symlink to some different-named but identical lib ;)? |
| 18:43.17 | flo|linux | is it possible to simply install that one package? |
| 18:43.21 | flo|linux | or will it break lenny? |
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| 18:44.07 | zorton | let me try a few keywords: java, iceweasel, not_working |
| 18:44.07 | wols | ,depends liblzma2 squeeze |
| 18:44.11 | judd | liblzma2 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~). |
| 18:44.14 | wols | it won't |
| 18:44.22 | jelly-home | theoretically |
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| 18:44.37 | jelly-home | ,depends liblzma-dev squeeze |
| 18:44.37 | judd | liblzma-dev -- depends: liblzma2 (= 4.999.9beta+20100307-1). |
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| 18:45.28 | jelly-home | wonders how in the hell they managed to build that against old libc6 |
| 18:45.59 | jelly-home | does dh_shlibdeps check symbol versions used? |
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| 18:52.49 | thick_mcrunfast | I'm trying to trace out how my webserver is acting using wireshark; I see a GET, then [ACK]s to port 80, then a [FIN, ACK]; Wireshark does not seem to be showing the responses to these requests though, I'd like to see the whole stream (maybe even just the interchange; I tried modifying a HTTP proxy, but that didn't give enough detail) |
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| 18:54.04 | thick_mcrunfast | I'm trying to replicate how apache serves media files in Objective-C, essentially writing a webserver; I'm a bit confused regarding the protocol, figured seeing a complete exchange for a given file would clear everything up |
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| 18:54.59 | rhineheart_m | what's the problem if I did ./configure even as a root then the system would tell me "Permission Denied"? |
| 18:55.21 | thick_mcrunfast | rhineheart_m: Is ./configure +x? |
| 18:56.00 | rhineheart_m | think_crunfast: same error |
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| 18:56.39 | thick_mcrunfast | rhineheart_m: You did a chmod +x ./configure ? |
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| 18:57.57 | rhineheart_m | tar xovf gtm_V54000_linux_i686_pro.tar.gz then ./configure |
| 18:58.18 | thick_mcrunfast | right; I'm saying try chmod +x ./configure, then ./configure |
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| 18:59.08 | rhineheart_m | wow! perfect! |
| 18:59.10 | thick_mcrunfast | the problem is probably that configure is not marked as executable, chmod +x enables a file to be run by itself. |
| 18:59.12 | rhineheart_m | thanks.. |
| 18:59.16 | thick_mcrunfast | Yep |
| 18:59.38 | thick_mcrunfast | you wouldn't happen to know about my wireshark problem, would you? ;) |
| 18:59.52 | rhineheart_m | nope. hehehe. thanks a lot.. I'm happy |
| 18:59.54 | rhineheart_m | ;) |
| 19:00.06 | thick_mcrunfast | yep, go look up "unix permissions" or "linux permissions" |
| 19:00.17 | wols | !permissions |
| 19:00.17 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 19:00.25 | thick_mcrunfast | thanks wols |
| 19:00.32 | thick_mcrunfast | rhineheart_m: that'll help you understand why that worked |
| 19:00.49 | rhineheart_m | thanks.. |
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| 19:03.03 | krisfremen | hi all, i dunno if i should be asking this here... but it seems like one of my boxes is emitting some strange audio signals when the hdd and cpu are working |
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| 19:03.34 | Cryp71c | Fresh debian install, when the kernel/modules finish loading, Xserver fails to start and I get "(EE) Found screens but none have a usable configuration" |
| 19:03.40 | karlpinc | krisfremen: As in noise out of the speakers, or sound coming from the case? |
| 19:03.50 | krisfremen | also, on network activity, i've tried disabling everything... but the noise is just there.... |
| 19:04.00 | krisfremen | from the speakers |
| 19:04.07 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: You need to install the right xorg video driver. |
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| 19:04.21 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, grrrr. k, thx. |
| 19:04.52 | krisfremen | like when i'm sshing right now, i get noise whenever i type from my other computers |
| 19:04.52 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Relatively painless. aptitude search xorg-video |
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| 19:05.19 | krisfremen | it's driving me nuts! |
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| 19:05.44 | simonrvn | !drive krisfremen nuts |
| 19:05.51 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, lol I already don't have network drivers :P during setup when I tried to select e1000e it just refreshed the screen :( |
| 19:05.55 | simonrvn | damn |
| 19:05.59 | Cryp71c | network driver issues* |
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| 19:06.35 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Lenny? |
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| 19:07.41 | karlpinc | krisfremen: Has this always happened or is this new? If new then what changed? |
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| 19:11.50 | krisfremen | karlpinc: i installed squeeze about 2 weeks ago.. i haven't noticed it before then |
| 19:12.02 | krisfremen | before that i was on lenny |
| 19:12.08 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, I'm not sure. |
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| 19:12.32 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Probably lenny then. |
| 19:12.40 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:13.18 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, furthermore, make returns 'command not found' ? |
| 19:13.32 | karlpinc | krisfremen: Then it's probably not hardware. I was going to suggest just checking the routing of your cables, especially the audio cables to the speakers in case they run next to something and are picking up something inductively or otherwise. |
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| 19:13.49 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: That's because the make package is not installed. |
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| 19:14.03 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Yes. Lenny. (Debian 5.0) |
| 19:14.33 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, why wouldn't the make package come with Debian? |
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| 19:14.46 | krisfremen | karlpinc: i didn't change my cables at all, and i checked them, trying to find my headphones to test it out with them |
| 19:14.57 | Cryp71c | How do you expect users whose NIC's don't auto-configure to get anywhere? |
| 19:15.18 | Cryp71c | I can't exactly "apt-get install make" |
| 19:15.34 | thick_mcrunfast | Cryp71c: Sure you can |
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| 19:15.52 | thick_mcrunfast | it's build-essential, but who cares |
| 19:16.11 | krisfremen | hmm.... |
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| 19:16.24 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Comes with, does not come installed. You probably want to install the build-essentials package. But your problem now is the nic. You'll have to boot into rescue mode with the install disk and chroot into your install to install the nic driver. |
| 19:16.26 | krisfremen | ok, doesn't happen on my headphones... |
| 19:16.27 | krisfremen | weird |
| 19:16.44 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, I have my nic driver already downloaded. |
| 19:16.46 | Cryp71c | I just need make |
| 19:16.49 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: You could file a bug report with the installer. |
| 19:17.06 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, how can I install make? |
| 19:17.12 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Unless you're an expert you should be getting your packages from the debian repos. |
| 19:17.40 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: You'd do it the same way I outlined above to get your nic driver with aptitude. |
| 19:17.45 | karlpinc | !tell Cryp71c about why aptitude |
| 19:18.06 | jelly-home | Cryp71c: if it's a wired nic, I suggest using the unofficial installer with updated kernels, from /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 19:18.44 | karlpinc | jelly-home: You think he needs a newer kernel from bpo? |
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| 19:19.10 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, well I saw my driver on the network driver list during install, I just couldn't select it. Would it have been installed, but not loaded in as an active module, or would i need to reboot into rescue mode for that too? |
| 19:19.12 | jelly-home | karlpinc: that's not what I said, but is one possibility. |
| 19:19.26 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Right, just asking. |
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| 19:20.39 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Maybe you couldn't select it because it needs non-free firmware. In which case you'd need to install the firmware packages from the non-free repo. But that's a guess. I don't know the answer to your question and don't know why it wouldn't let you make the choice. |
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| 19:24.20 | krisfremen | heh... indeed karlpinc |
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| 19:25.05 | Pnux | hey, how long does it usually take between dev freeze and release? |
| 19:25.15 | abrotman | Pnux: depends how quickly you fix the bugs |
| 19:25.21 | Pnux | keyword being usually |
| 19:25.26 | krisfremen | seems like the audio cable for the speakers was wrapped around the network cable.. |
| 19:25.32 | krisfremen | it's surprisingly quiet now |
| 19:25.44 | abrotman | Pnux: it's taken a few months before .. it's taken a year before .. |
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| 19:26.02 | krisfremen | or not... |
| 19:26.06 | krisfremen | snap, what did i do now? |
| 19:26.23 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, I've worked with linux before, so I don't mind rebooting into rescue mode and installing build-essentials / my nic driver from there, I'm just unsure as to how to go about said course of action. |
| 19:26.49 | karlpinc | krisfremen: Uh, oh. My last snap I smelled smoke and months later my hd crapped out and had a burned out power regulator. |
| 19:28.04 | krisfremen | i think it's the speakers... bose speakers... |
| 19:28.05 | krisfremen | meh |
| 19:28.38 | krisfremen | don't think i'll be buying from them any time soon |
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| 19:29.11 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, know of any tutorials / information on the issue, or can you give me a bit of help with it? |
| 19:29.18 | lamah | squeeze release date? |
| 19:29.33 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: I'd focus on why the choice was not available and how to get the stock debian driver installed rather than on building the driver yourself. You could try the wiki.... |
| 19:30.24 | krisfremen | lamah: isn't squeeze regenerated weekly? for the isos i mean? |
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| 19:30.53 | stuckey | Hello |
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| 19:31.05 | __peta__ | hello everyhody |
| 19:31.08 | stuckey | When I try to mount my dvd drive I get: mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist |
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| 19:31.51 | __peta__ | Can I determin the debian version installed based on the kernel version? I have 2.6.9-023stab046.2-smp ... so is it possible that i'm using debian 4? |
| 19:32.12 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, I just went through rescue and it had me try and select my network driver again, I tried both e1000 and e1000e, both of which should work for my particular NIC and neither of which require unusual freeware (that I could find). |
| 19:32.20 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, neither would go through. |
| 19:32.52 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: There's some reason for this. Did you check the install guide? |
| 19:33.13 | abrotman | __peta__: dpkg -l libc6 ? |
| 19:34.17 | __peta__ | abrotman: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 19:34.24 | abrotman | that'd be etch |
| 19:34.28 | abrotman | !tell __peta__ about etch security |
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| 19:35.02 | Cryp71c | karlpinc, Yes, its surprisingly terse on the matter. |
| 19:35.03 | __peta__ | abrotman: thanks. :) |
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| 19:39.22 | __peta__ | I want to download a debian iso file. But there (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/) are the CDs numbered from 1 to 21 ... what does this mean? |
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| 19:39.40 | mguy | Just get the first one |
| 19:39.41 | Titan8990 | __peta__: you only need the singe netinst cd |
| 19:39.48 | Titan8990 | or cd1 ^ |
| 19:39.50 | freaky[t] | hi all. can i somehow see, what process is using up how much bandwidth on a debian lenny server? |
| 19:40.01 | mguy | freaky[t]: nettop |
| 19:40.23 | freaky[t] | mguy thnk you |
| 19:40.23 | __peta__ | Titan8990, mguy: Okay, I'll do so |
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| 19:42.29 | jelly-home | Kazuha\\\nquit: srsly! |
| 19:42.38 | freaky[t] | mguy i only found jnettop and it only displays port but not the application taking up the traffic |
| 19:42.52 | Kazuha\\\nquit | ? |
| 19:42.55 | mguy | freaky[t]: Actually Iwas thinking ntop/iftop or ifstat but I don't know if it shows per process usage |
| 19:43.05 | Kazuha\\\nquit | jelly-home ? |
| 19:43.06 | freaky[t] | mguy ok thanks ill hve a look |
| 19:43.34 | jelly-home | Kazuha\\\nquit: the nickname, and tis changes |
| 19:43.47 | k\- | yumy: find p7zip |
| 19:44.01 | karlpinc | __peta__: But install 5.0. 4.0 is out of warranty. |
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| 19:44.18 | Titan8990 | there is never a warranty |
| 19:44.29 | Kazuha\\\nquit | jelly-home: Trying to drive a bug home to the people who wrote one of the IRC clients I use. |
| 19:44.34 | karlpinc | Titan8990: Ok then, be picky. It's out of security support. |
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| 19:44.41 | __peta__ | karlpinc: I know. It's not for production purposes. Just want to reproduce a server environment and do some tests |
| 19:44.58 | Kazuha\\\nquit | And I was testing to see if I could trigger the same sort of effect with a custom quit message. |
| 19:45.00 | Titan8990 | karlpinc: hehe, i just came to mind because GPL stuff alway says "this software is without warrenty" |
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| 19:45.17 | karlpinc | __peta__: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 19:46.07 | __peta__ | karlpinc: wow |
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| 19:48.11 | karlpinc | __peta__: Yes. Very professional. |
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| 19:50.49 | PyroPhelia | I'm having trouble finding a concrete answer for this. does anybody know how many cpus and how much physical ram the current stable linux kernel can support? |
| 19:51.02 | PyroPhelia | -with sources. |
| 19:51.13 | maligor | how many do you have? |
| 19:51.27 | PyroPhelia | this is for a research paper |
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| 19:52.09 | Titan8990 | !homework |
| 19:52.11 | dpkg | homework is, like, something you should do yourself |
| 19:52.12 | wols | PyroPhelia: do you know google? |
| 19:52.34 | tharkun | PyroPhelia: try someone at www.kernel.org they might give you an answear |
| 19:52.35 | PyroPhelia | wols, ah yes. google. and no concrete answers which is why I came here |
| 19:52.42 | karlpinc | PyroPhelia: Something might be written into the Documentation directory of the kernel sources, or not. |
| 19:53.02 | wols | PyroPhelia: I give you a hint. Altix. no FOAD unless you have a debian question |
| 19:53.06 | wols | *now |
| 19:53.19 | karlpinc | PyroPhelia: The answer is on the lkml, somewhere. (And wols is right, this is offtopic.) |
| 19:53.29 | PyroPhelia | FOAD? |
| 19:53.48 | wols | google it too. it's enlightening |
| 19:53.56 | Titan8990 | just googled it |
| 19:54.00 | PyroPhelia | how nice of you |
| 19:54.20 | rooisto47 | hi everyone, is there a web page editor on linux (a graphical one) , |
| 19:54.21 | rooisto47 | ? |
| 19:54.33 | Titan8990 | rooisto47: emacs? |
| 19:54.35 | tharkun | bluefish |
| 19:54.43 | maligor | amaya |
| 19:54.46 | tharkun | Titan8990: editor not full blown os |
| 19:54.56 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 19:55.01 | jhutchins_wk | quanta |
| 19:55.08 | maligor | amaya infact is the best I've run across |
| 19:55.27 | maligor | if you want wysiwyg or wysiwyng |
| 19:55.36 | rooisto47 | Titan8990, noo not a text editor, I mean something like dreamaver ... |
| 19:55.37 | Titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 19:55.37 | dpkg | pico doesn't deserve to be in BSD! |
| 19:56.10 | jimcooncat | komposer? |
| 19:56.12 | maligor | amaya:s output might not work on IE tho |
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| 19:56.23 | maligor | since it generates standards compilant output |
| 19:56.26 | rooisto47 | ok I'll look see all those you gave me |
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| 19:56.35 | tharkun | rooisto47: apt-cache show bluefish |
| 19:56.50 | tharkun | or whatever package you want |
| 19:56.57 | maligor | and I think mozilla had some editor too |
| 19:57.01 | Titan8990 | maligor: the new IE is actually pretty standards compliant. not as much as the competition but enough to do fine |
| 19:57.14 | maligor | Titan8990, it's not a browser yet |
| 19:57.27 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:57.42 | rooisto47 | ok |
| 19:57.51 | maligor | Titan8990, that's like saying linux 3.0 will be 10x faster than linux 2.6 |
| 19:58.16 | rooisto47 | thank you very much, but which one one is the best... or famous :) |
| 19:58.24 | Gnudoll | IE is too standards compliant. . . as micro$soft defines the standards |
| 19:58.45 | maligor | rooisto47, wysiwyg isn't terribly popular among the crowd I think |
| 19:58.58 | shylent | rooisto47: just learn emacs :P |
| 19:59.03 | shylent | in all seriousness |
| 19:59.11 | jimcooncat | rooisto47: there is no better than straight text editing, but komposer (formerly nvu) makes pretty good code |
| 19:59.38 | Gnudoll | and you can clean it up in vi later. . . |
| 19:59.47 | Gnudoll | ;) |
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| 19:59.51 | maligor | you mean vim, anyone who uses vi is insane |
| 19:59.51 | shylent | touche |
| 20:00.06 | Gnudoll | vim is a clone.. . |
| 20:00.08 | tharkun | is insane |
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| 20:00.23 | rooisto47 | shylent, I'm a vi user but, the problem with coding html is when you have a huge amount of images to linkup or things of that kind... |
| 20:00.32 | maligor | Gnudoll, yeah.. that's like saying vi is a clone of ed |
| 20:01.01 | shylent | rooisto47: never had a problem of such kind actually, so I can't say much :/ |
| 20:01.16 | rooisto47 | it takes very long time to write all the links ... so I'm saying maybe it'll be more easy with a graphical tool |
| 20:01.49 | maligor | easier to script something like that |
| 20:01.59 | jimcooncat | rooisto47: that's when you use generate the html with code. |
| 20:02.08 | Gnudoll | rooisto47: start with the graphical tool, then clean up the code in <text editor of choice> |
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| 20:02.40 | rooisto47 | ok |
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| 20:03.02 | rooisto47 | so you advise wysiwyg |
| 20:03.18 | Gnudoll | as allof the wisiwig editors I have ever seen add a bunch of carp that just makes the code buggy |
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| 20:03.59 | Gnudoll | wisiwyg to start, then clean up with text after |
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| 20:04.20 | rooisto47 | ok thank you, |
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| 20:05.02 | Cryp71c | After I modprobe a nic driver, what to do next to see if the network hardware is recognized? |
| 20:05.09 | Gnudoll | IIRC, even openoffice writer would output HTML |
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| 20:05.25 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: ifconfig -a. generally, there should be no need to manually load the driver |
| 20:05.26 | shylent | Cryp71c: ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:05.29 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem with usb keyboard + xorg squeeze: Alt Gr = AltGr + Return :) |
| 20:05.32 | Gnudoll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:05.47 | jimcooncat | rooisto47: my advise is to learn good html, and it will be simpler to do nice things. See alistapart.com, zeldman.com, csszengarden.com |
| 20:05.57 | Titan8990 | !tell Posterdati about keymaps |
| 20:06.06 | Titan8990 | !tell Posterdati about keymap |
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| 20:06.51 | Cryp71c | Titan8990, shylent, nope, just lo |
| 20:07.20 | Posterdati | Titan8990: :( |
| 20:08.24 | shylent | Cryp71c: does the driver show up in lsmod? |
| 20:08.36 | Cryp71c | shylent, yes. |
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| 20:09.47 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: what is the pciid of your card? lspci -nn. also, what version of debian? |
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| 20:10.51 | Cryp71c | Titan8990, which is the pciid? |
| 20:11.06 | Cryp71c | (in that list) |
| 20:11.18 | rooisto47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.45 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: just copy and paste the *single* line that is your ethernet device |
| 20:12.01 | Cryp71c | Titan8990, I'm on an entirely seperate system, I don't have a network connection on that box. |
| 20:12.45 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Linksys Gigabit Network Adapter [1737:1032] |
| 20:12.48 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: 1737:1032 is the pciid |
| 20:13.00 | Cryp71c | Titan8990, Lenny 5.04, 8086:10de |
| 20:13.11 | Titan8990 | ,pciid 8086:10de |
| 20:13.13 | judd | [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
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| 20:13.26 | Titan8990 | Cryp71c: you need to install the kernel from lenny-backports |
| 20:13.33 | Titan8990 | !tell Cryp71c about bpo |
| 20:13.52 | jimcooncat | rooisto47: that's what we mean by using scripting. It's faster than using an editor. If you want to be really lazy, gthumb has a "Create Web Album" tool -- I use it all the time. |
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| 20:14.24 | shylent | hm, isn't there a package from intel for that NIC? |
| 20:15.07 | shylent | I distinctly remember installing a similar controller (it didn't have the module in the "standard" repos) so I had to build intel's module |
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| 20:15.30 | Titan8990 | shylent: most likely the correct answer was to install from backports... but you went the upstream route instead |
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| 20:15.47 | shylent | Titan8990: yea, I guess you are right |
| 20:15.49 | Titan8990 | both works, only one way is usually supported though :) |
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| 20:16.03 | rooisto47 | jimcooncat, scripting seems cool, can you give me an example ? |
| 20:16.21 | jimcooncat | rooisto47: can I pm a link to you? |
| 20:16.29 | shylent | Titan8990: I was just extremely cautious about the backports kernel (very important system, I couldn't risk it going down all of a sudden) |
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| 20:17.30 | rooisto47 | jimcooncat, yes |
| 20:17.56 | rooisto47 | of cours |
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| 20:25.24 | sasha6 | ktota s lipezka? |
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| 20:31.30 | rooisto47 | thx for the help gays |
| 20:31.34 | rooisto47 | bye |
| 20:31.46 | jeff_hann | :)) |
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| 20:35.57 | jelly-home | I don't think we're that joyful in here. |
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| 20:38.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am trying to install Debian-Testing using an USB flash drive created using Unetbootin. The installer fails when it tries to detect and mount the CD-ROM whereas the install media is USB. Any solutions? |
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| 20:40.31 | karlpinc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Unetbootin is not reliable. Follow the procedure in the debian install manual. Need be, use a debian-live (or other live cd) so you've a linux environment from which you can follow the instructions. |
| 20:40.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok thanks |
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| 20:43.22 | karlpinc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: (Or that's what I hear about unetbootin. I have no personal experience.) |
| 20:43.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the thing is i have installed other distros before. even the debian installer boots up. But it is searching for an optical media |
| 20:44.48 | karlpinc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Yeah. There may or may not be an installer option at boot that helps. Try pressing the function keys. |
| 20:45.54 | karlpinc | !ops spam from [PEDRO_STAMPEDE(~mna@d118-75-249-67.col.wideopenwest.com)] |
| 20:45.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: spam from [PEDRO_STAMPEDE(~mna@d118-75-249-67.col.wideopenwest.com)] |
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| 20:46.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !windows |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:46.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
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| 20:47.22 | karlpinc | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about self tell |
| 20:48.26 | __peta__ | damn ... some days passed since i worked in the shell the last time ... there was a way to work with multiple tty instances, wasn't it? So that I can "switch" between them in one shell window |
| 20:48.35 | jelly-home | __peta__: screen |
| 20:48.51 | karlpinc | __peta__: Or fg and bg and ctrl-z. |
| 20:49.01 | jelly-home | karlpinc: that's one tty. |
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| 20:52.29 | __peta__ | jelly-home: yeah, that was it :) |
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| 20:57.59 | nat2610 | is there a way with apt-get to install a local deb or is there a way with dpkg to have the dependencies resolved and installed ? |
| 20:58.54 | cusco | hi |
| 20:59.08 | cusco | how to add a keybind to perform a double-click in X? |
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| 21:00.52 | SerajewelKS | nat2610: create a local repository with that .deb |
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| 21:01.20 | SerajewelKS | nat2610: alternatively, you can dpkg -i --force-depends on the .deb and then "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken dependencies. the former is cleaner, the latter is easier. |
| 21:01.55 | SerajewelKS | nat2610: obviously don't do the dpkg --force-depends route for anything core, like libc |
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| 21:04.25 | abrotman | karlpinc: what? |
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| 21:05.09 | orak3l | ive installed fglrx-driver with fglrx-modules-dkms. build was fine and fglrx.ko is in /lib/modules/$KERNEL/updates/dkms. i cant load the driver with modprobe (module not found) but it is working with "insmod" |
| 21:05.28 | orak3l | is this expected? |
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| 21:06.15 | cusco | try modprobe -l to list available modules |
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| 21:06.19 | cusco | |greping whatever |
| 21:07.20 | orak3l | cusco, ok i can see update/dkms/fglrx.ko in the search path. but im not sure if this entry existed before i manually "insmod" fglrx |
| 21:07.24 | orak3l | i have to reboot |
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| 21:14.41 | JordiGH | Is it a security risk to have my private ssh key in a machine that may be physically compromised? |
| 21:14.51 | JordiGH | I mean, there's a key to the private key, but... |
| 21:15.04 | tharkun | JordiGH: is it safe to play with fire? |
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| 21:15.32 | tuvyz | http://apcmag.com/why_i_quit_kernel_developer_con_kolivas.htm <- that's one sad story |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | tharkun: depends how big the flame is ? |
| 21:15.37 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: your ssh key is as safe as the passphrase protecting it. |
| 21:15.43 | abrotman | tuvyz: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:15.49 | JordiGH | PinkFreud: Good enough for me. |
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| 21:16.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: that said .. if they get your key, and you don't replace the pair .. they have infinite tries to figure out your passphrase |
| 21:16.26 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: Personally, I wouldn't place that much trust in it, but it's your key. |
| 21:17.24 | JordiGH | Well, are the current estimates for cracking 8 random printable ascii characters well below the heat death of the universe? |
| 21:17.35 | JordiGH | Maybe I should make it longer: 16 random printable ASCII characters. |
| 21:17.38 | PinkFreud | that was an interesting bot. |
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| 21:20.17 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: The way I view it is that having a passphrase on your key helps in case it escapes into the wild. |
| 21:20.30 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: that being said, NEVER let your key escape into the wild. :P |
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| 21:20.36 | lifestream | Where do I find the commands that debian runs on boot? Like mouting the disks, starting services |
| 21:20.45 | PinkFreud | lifestream: /etc/init.d |
| 21:21.13 | lifestream | PinkFreud, oh I see, then there's a file for each program.. I see... |
| 21:21.17 | Titan8990 | mounting the disks isn't performed by a service |
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| 21:21.44 | lifestream | No, "things like mounting the disks, *and* starting services" |
| 21:21.49 | lifestream | there was a comma there :p |
| 21:22.17 | Titan8990 | lifestream: I know, I was just pointing it out :). I am not sure what exactly mounts the disks... could still be a job of the bootloader |
| 21:22.25 | tharkun | JordiGH: Lets put it this way, the passphrase on your keypair is just a time ticket that you get in case your machine gets compromised so you can revoke it and set up a new one |
| 21:22.40 | Titan8990 | in short it goes kernel boots -> rootfs is mounted -> rest of fs mounted -> services started |
| 21:23.07 | lifestream | Titan8990, I'm not interested in modding the disk config, that was just an example of "things that run on boot" |
| 21:23.28 | lifestream | I just want to add 1 line to be run on boot |
| 21:23.44 | lifestream | For everyone, not for user |
| 21:23.48 | Titan8990 | lifestream: sysvconfig --listlinks |
| 21:23.53 | Titan8990 | !tell lifestream about rc.local |
| 21:24.26 | lifestream | Ok so that file I can add custom changes |
| 21:24.33 | lifestream | Ok, now, I want to stop mpd from loading on boot |
| 21:24.34 | Titan8990 | lifestream: check you pm from dpkg |
| 21:24.39 | Titan8990 | lifestream: man update-rc.d |
| 21:25.18 | lifestream | Hmm I don't want to stop it after it runs, I just don't want it to load *at all* on boot |
| 21:26.13 | cusco | so.. how can I make a keybind to perform a double-click ? |
| 21:27.54 | lifestream | Thanks for the info Titan8990 :-) |
| 21:27.59 | adb | cusco, why ? |
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| 21:28.08 | adb | Titan8990, think to /sbin/init as sources of all system |
| 21:28.49 | cusco | adb: how come why? |
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| 21:29.15 | adb | cusco, why you need that ? |
| 21:29.22 | cusco | adb: because my coleague needs this accessibility feature |
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| 21:29.56 | cusco | he is not physically capable of double clicking .. fast enough |
| 21:30.09 | cusco | but the why does not relly matter.. |
| 21:30.12 | cusco | its the how :P |
| 21:30.16 | adb | cusco, on gnome ? |
| 21:30.20 | cusco | adb: yes |
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| 21:30.44 | lindi- | cusco: xte? |
| 21:30.48 | adb | you may enable one click only for it |
| 21:31.16 | blizzow | crap, I just did aptitude dist-upgrade and now all gtk based apps die on contact. They give me; symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_malloc_n |
| 21:31.16 | cusco | lindi-: what is xte? |
| 21:31.35 | lindi- | cusco: tool to generate key clicks and mouse clicks |
| 21:31.46 | cusco | what is the package name? |
| 21:31.48 | [Jasper] | hej guys, is it possible somehow to reduce cpu fan speed from debian? |
| 21:31.51 | lindi- | cusco: apt-file search bin/xte |
| 21:31.54 | [Jasper] | its not doable in the bios.. |
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| 21:32.28 | lindi- | cusco: just bind F10 to run "xte mouseclick 0; xte mouseclick 0" |
| 21:32.44 | lindi- | [Jasper]: depends entirely on the fan controller |
| 21:32.50 | [Jasper] | how can i find out lindi- ? |
| 21:33.13 | cusco | don't have apt-file ... |
| 21:33.21 | lindi- | [Jasper]: flashrom, superiotool, lspci, dmidecode |
| 21:33.25 | lindi- | cusco: apt-get install apt-file |
| 21:33.36 | lindi- | cusco: it's the standard tool for finding packages by file name |
| 21:33.41 | cusco | lindi-: yea I have been trying to avoid it |
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| 21:33.50 | cusco | I know it, I think it slows down my machine |
| 21:33.51 | lindi- | cusco: you can use packages.debian.org too |
| 21:34.08 | lindi- | [Jasper]: there's no automatic way |
| 21:34.19 | cusco | xautomation |
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| 21:35.01 | sutem | hi |
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| 21:35.16 | sutem | whats the best way to make a shell account for a user who wants to run an eggdrop? |
| 21:37.00 | jelly-home | adduser? |
| 21:37.13 | pngwn | heh |
| 21:37.47 | adb | cusco, you may change it in nautilus> Preferences> Behavior> check 'Single click to open items' |
| 21:37.48 | jelly-home | sutem: what's the difference between an irc bot user, and any other normal shell account user? |
| 21:39.29 | cusco | adb: that would not work inside netbeans... |
| 21:39.44 | sutem | i just dont want to enable the user to do any crappy things to the server |
| 21:39.49 | sutem | the rest doesnt really matter |
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| 21:40.55 | PinkFreud | sutem: If you don't trust the user, don't give them an account. |
| 21:40.55 | cusco | Unknown command 'mouseclick' |
| 21:40.55 | sutem | mh okay thx |
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| 21:41.10 | abrotman | sutem: does the user need a shell, or can you just setup the bot for them ? |
| 21:42.10 | m3tti | when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze?? |
| 21:42.11 | PinkFreud | abrotman: at that point, he has to worry about how much access he gives the user to the bot. eggdrop owners tend to have access to the shell via the bot anyway... |
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| 21:44.08 | abrotman | PinkFreud: he could chroot the bot if he really were that concerned |
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| 21:45.23 | cusco | lindi-: sorry but how do I bind f10 to a custom command? |
| 21:45.24 | PinkFreud | gah, he left. |
| 21:45.46 | PinkFreud | chrooting is always possible, but it still comes down to - don't give someone you don't trust any accesss. :) |
| 21:45.59 | ham5 | ANY! |
| 21:46.33 | [Jasper] | lindi- SMBIOS 2.3 • DMI 2.1 • ACPI 1.0 |
| 21:46.33 | cusco | im sure in gnome is somewhere in gconf |
| 21:46.35 | [Jasper] | does that help? |
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| 21:52.23 | thick_mcrunfast | cusco: Not to point out anything too obvious, but have you tried Google? |
| 21:52.31 | cusco | thick_mcrunfast: yes just found it |
| 21:52.32 | cusco | thanks |
| 21:52.39 | cusco | lindi-: thanks for xte |
| 21:52.45 | cusco | bybye |
| 21:53.16 | lindi- | [Jasper]: not really :( |
| 21:53.20 | lindi- | [Jasper]: which motherboard? |
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| 22:00.11 | m3tti | when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze?? |
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| 22:06.36 | MorkBork | what are the odds of dhcp 4.1.1 being added to lenny? |
| 22:06.41 | MorkBork | or should i just install it manually |
| 22:06.49 | zinx | check backports |
| 22:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | 0.0% |
| 22:07.01 | MorkBork | nah its not in backports |
| 22:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny is stable, nothing is added to it but security updates |
| 22:07.12 | MorkBork | theres wide-dhcpv6-server in lenny but |
| 22:07.12 | Titan8990 | ,versions dhcp3-client |
| 22:07.13 | judd | dhcp3-client -- etch: 3.0.4-13; etch-security: 3.0.4-13+etch2; etch-backports: 3.1.1-5~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny3; lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; sid: 3.1.3-2; squeeze: 3.1.3-2; experimental: 4.1.0-1; experimental: 4.1.1-1 |
| 22:07.16 | MorkBork | its been obsoleted |
| 22:07.44 | MorkBork | basically the wide-dhcpv6 people say... we're done, use isc dhcp 4 instead |
| 22:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why 4.1.1? |
| 22:07.56 | MorkBork | ipv6 |
| 22:08.01 | Titan8990 | MorkBork: does that mean it no longer works? ifconfig has been obsoleted, but it is still in wide use |
| 22:08.33 | MorkBork | no, it still works, but it was a transient project, isc dhcp > 4. is the defacto standard moving forward |
| 22:08.41 | MorkBork | for dhcpv6 (ipv6) |
| 22:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can backport it for lenny... but that it's in experimental and not in testing/unstable can be a bad sign (or it can just be because the freeze is near) |
| 22:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 22:08.48 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 22:09.18 | themill | It would seem unlikely to even be destined for inclusion in squeeze. |
| 22:09.35 | MorkBork | the quirk with it is that isc is a fail |
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| 22:09.54 | MorkBork | and even though isc dhcp > 4.x supports both dhcp and dhcpv6, it wont do it in the same instance |
| 22:10.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4.1.1-1; Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7), dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.2), groff, dpatch, po-debconf, libldap2-dev, libssl-dev |
| 22:10.00 | MorkBork | so i think its causing some issues for packagers |
| 22:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like it would be problematic to backport |
| 22:10.29 | MorkBork | no i dont think its the actual packaging, just the methodology they will use |
| 22:10.40 | MorkBork | to run two instances |
| 22:11.01 | MorkBork | i.e. two init scripts, or a line in defaults/dhcp, etc |
| 22:11.22 | MorkBork | in the end its all just for practice, but theres no sense practicing with something thats been abandoned |
| 22:11.56 | MorkBork | but i think even the newer versions of network manager will end up requiring isc dhcp > 4 |
| 22:12.13 | PARLIAMENT | is there any way to see what package installed gnome-keyring as a dependency? |
| 22:12.25 | Titan8990 | PARLIAMENT: aptitude why <package> |
| 22:14.20 | MorkBork | of course maybe its still too early to play with dhcpv6 |
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| 22:14.31 | MorkBork | since id have to hack up a dhcpv6 impl for each client |
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| 22:14.50 | MorkBork | 4.1 isnt even marked stable in gentoo, theres no osx impl, who knows with windows |
| 22:15.20 | themill | MorkBork: so why on earth would you expect to see it in debian stable? |
| 22:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:15.41 | MorkBork | because this is something that i would expect to be fast tracked |
| 22:15.46 | MorkBork | given the exhaustion of ipv4 |
| 22:15.48 | themill | dpkg: tell MorkBork about stable |
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| 22:16.18 | themill | MorkBork: there's already wide-dhcpv6-client, why does dhcp 4.1 need to be fast tracked? |
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| 22:16.45 | MorkBork | full impl of the protocol, dependencies, etc |
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| 22:17.13 | themill | a protocol that isn't yet stable with no reference implementation yet... sure.. I can see people caring about that RSN |
| 22:17.32 | MorkBork | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-March/003855.html http://ipv6int.net/software/index.html#dhcpv6 |
| 22:17.48 | dAnjou | hi, what's the best way to sync time on a server? i read about ntpdate (via cron) and chrony ... |
| 22:17.56 | dAnjou | what is better? |
| 22:18.01 | jpwhiting | can anyone help me get X to run at all, I've been trying to use nvidia, but it doesn't work |
| 22:18.03 | themill | dAnjou: use ntpd not ntpdate |
| 22:18.04 | MorkBork | dAnjou, use ntp and let it run all the time |
| 22:18.12 | thySEus | dAnjou: try rdate |
| 22:18.14 | jpwhiting | then I am trying nv (removed all traces of nvidia) |
| 22:18.17 | jpwhiting | and it does the same thing |
| 22:18.23 | jpwhiting | green stripes with grey stripes |
| 22:18.27 | jpwhiting | nothing on the other monitor |
| 22:18.42 | jpwhiting | hmm, maybe I'm missing something lower than the video, like agp support or something... |
| 22:19.08 | jpwhiting | with both nv and nvidia I get no errors or warnings in Xorg.0.log |
| 22:19.40 | MorkBork | but yes i think dhcpv6 is a core issue moving forward the next 2 years |
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| 22:19.48 | MorkBork | its spec'd in docsis 3.0, etc |
| 22:20.09 | themill | MorkBork: s/2/20/ and you might be right. |
| 22:20.11 | dAnjou | thySEus: quote wikipedia "rdate is the older standard that in many cases is now replaced by ntp/ntpd." ... ? |
| 22:20.31 | MorkBork | you realize ipv4 exhaustion is about 2 years away right? |
| 22:20.41 | MorkBork | no, its not going to make things come to a screeching halt |
| 22:20.52 | PinkFreud | MorkBork: ipv4 exhaustion has been about 2 years away for the past decade. |
| 22:21.03 | themill | MorkBork: perhaps you'll find more people who care in ##networking |
| 22:21.08 | defrysk | dhcp ftw |
| 22:21.16 | MorkBork | shrug |
| 22:21.19 | defrysk | hehe |
| 22:21.42 | MorkBork | if you dont believe me, read the data for yourself |
| 22:21.46 | MorkBork | its not chicken little |
| 22:21.57 | MorkBork | verizon and comcast are already starting to do in depth testing |
| 22:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that like with fossil fuels, then? They'll always be exhausted within ~20 years... for the last 50 years |
| 22:22.13 | MorkBork | google just flipped the switch on ipv6 (google, youtube, etc) |
| 22:22.15 | defrysk | so ipv4 depletes in 2012 |
| 22:22.21 | defrysk | how fascinating |
| 22:22.29 | defrysk | they should make a movie about that |
| 22:22.36 | MorkBork | well theres talk of reclaiming, but the concensus is that its a legal quagmire |
| 22:22.41 | themill | MorkBork: getting client software to actually work with ipv6 is more important. Go fix some ipv6 bugs (e.g. with java) instead. There are plenty. |
| 22:22.52 | MorkBork | its probably not as big of an issue in north america |
| 22:22.56 | MorkBork | but its a major issue for asia |
| 22:23.01 | MorkBork | some asian isps are pure ipv6 already |
| 22:23.03 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | points towards themill who points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:24.41 | phoul | when i try and run a login as a user to login to a different user i get the message No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
| 22:24.44 | phoul | what does this mean |
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| 22:25.46 | action09 | hi all, can someone tell me why nessus is in repostiory ? i thought it's closed source now . |
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| 22:26.11 | rvsjoen | the old version isnt |
| 22:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | phoul, are you actually running the program "login"? |
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| 22:27.02 | phoul | i beleive so, im running login by itself from bash |
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| 22:27.10 | action09 | rvsjoen : nessus is presented in the repo as "Version 4 of the Nessus Scanner " quite "new" |
| 22:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "running login"? |
| 22:27.13 | Atog | I've got a server that initially started out on an i386 machine.. I've since replaced the hardware and it's now running on IA-64 hardware.. would a normal apt-get upgrade be sufficient to convert the system to all IA-64 packages after forcing the architecture with the apt config option: "APT::Architecture"? |
| 22:27.27 | phoul | open bash and type login |
| 22:27.29 | phoul | thats running login |
| 22:27.45 | rvsjoen | really ? |
| 22:27.54 | themill | Atog: it's probably not ia64 but amd64; no you can't change architecture like that. |
| 22:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | phoul, simple, don't do that. Use "su <user>" |
| 22:28.10 | action09 | rvsjoen version 2.2.10-3 is indicated, and on the description 'Version 4" (as above) i don't understand :( |
| 22:28.20 | Atog | themil: it's IA-64.. they're Itanium processors |
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| 22:28.52 | themill | zomg there is actually an ia64 user out there? |
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| 22:29.17 | dAnjou | themill: thank you |
| 22:29.33 | themill | dAnjou: no worries |
| 22:29.36 | rvsjoen | action09: I only search packages.debian.org, but I see no mention of v4 anywhere in the package description on any of the branches |
| 22:30.21 | action09 | rvsjoen on my Debian lenny i did a "aptitude search nessus" try |
| 22:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | phoul, read "man login" if you want to know why you shouldn't call it directly |
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| 22:30.35 | SNow | what's the best in-memory db server ? |
| 22:30.38 | SNow | the fastest? |
| 22:30.41 | dAnjou | next Q :P .. i have a squeeze, but my apt-get install ntp<TAB> still shows ntp-simple. what can i do? can i update some kind of cache? |
| 22:30.43 | action09 | rvsjoen c nessus - Version 4 of the Nessus Scanner |
| 22:30.44 | SNow | mysql is too slow |
| 22:31.23 | SNow | sqllite only works on connections , meaning that it will remove the db after connection is closed, and having and idea that apache uses connect/close every time, so it is not going to work |
| 22:31.27 | rvsjoen | action09: mine says, p nessus - Remote network security auditor, the client |
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| 22:31.49 | rvsjoen | also in lenny |
| 22:32.31 | themill | dAnjou: there should be an "ntp" package. "ntp-simple" was removed after etch |
| 22:32.43 | PinkFreud | ahh, yes. there's that amorphous 'best' again. |
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| 22:33.33 | PinkFreud | SNow: in general, 'best' is what works 'best' for you. If any single product could claim to be 'best', there'd be little point in the continued existence of competing products, no? |
| 22:33.49 | action09 | rvsjoen main non-free contrib in your apt sources-list ? |
| 22:34.37 | PinkFreud | SNow: some people find mysql to suit their needs best. Some find postgres to fill that role, or perhaps sqlite, Oracle, ... |
| 22:34.54 | PinkFreud | SNow: It all depends on what you need. There is no simple answer. |
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| 22:35.36 | rvsjoen | action09: yup |
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| 22:35.59 | g00se | Having some mysterious behaviour with tftp: to where does it log? |
| 22:36.02 | action09 | rvsjoen ok :) thanks for your feedback anyway. I dunno why .. ;) |
| 22:36.09 | dAnjou | themill: yes i know and it works (thanks again), but isn't there some kind of cache where the results for the auto completion come from? |
| 22:36.23 | g00se | ( in.tftpd ) |
| 22:36.33 | bkw | I have a iscsi target as http://pastebin.se/201023 sharing md3p1,p2,p3, and initiators mount successfully, but no new disk is available on the initiators when running fdisk -l. Anyone who has any ideas? |
| 22:37.10 | dAnjou | or the other way round: why does ntp-simple still appear in the auto completion? |
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| 22:38.01 | nsadmin | g00se, so tftpd |
| 22:38.04 | nsadmin | right? |
| 22:38.09 | themill | dAnjou: ahh -- other packages still refer to "ntp-simple" even though it no longer exists (e.g. chrony declares Conflicts: ntp-simple, so apt thinks that such a package must exist somewhere and includes it in the completion list) |
| 22:38.27 | nsadmin | as a throwaway experiment... |
| 22:38.55 | dAnjou | ah ok, thanks |
| 22:39.22 | nsadmin | you could build a copy of tftpd and check out its config instructions and see how it's configured |
| 22:39.32 | g00se | nsadmin: Yes, that's right |
| 22:39.52 | nsadmin | that should take about 15 mins if there's no real problems; tftpd should be tiny |
| 22:40.07 | nsadmin | might even be one .c file |
| 22:40.16 | g00se | nsadmin: Yes, that'd be a last resort ;) |
| 22:40.41 | rvsjoen | can't you just run it in the foreground ? |
| 22:40.56 | nsadmin | oh thereyago, that's a great suggestion |
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| 22:41.07 | nsadmin | it'll spew itself onto stdout |
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| 22:42.01 | nsadmin | but if we zoom out one level... what is it you're having problems with involving a tftp transfer? |
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| 22:43.45 | nsadmin | I bet I know the last resort even beyond that last resort... |
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| 22:43.50 | nsadmin | wait for it... |
| 22:44.28 | rvsjoen | tftp isn't very complicated |
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| 22:44.33 | nsadmin | man tftpd |
| 22:45.08 | nsadmin | it's looking like it doesn't have a foreground option |
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| 22:46.50 | g00se | rvsjoen: Yes, when i *can* get it to run. It's logging to syslog and says port (unspecified) is already in use |
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| 22:47.29 | nsadmin | look at /etc/services |
| 22:47.46 | nsadmin | something I got from... |
| 22:47.50 | nsadmin | wait for it... |
| 22:47.54 | nsadmin | man tftpd |
| 22:48.39 | rvsjoen | g00se: so shut down whatever is already using the port |
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| 22:49.28 | nsadmin | if you're trying to start tftpd, you might find a coupla reasonable things taking the port |
| 22:49.45 | rvsjoen | like inetd |
| 22:49.54 | g00se | nsadmin: I'll take a look |
| 22:50.07 | nsadmin | one, inetd; two, a standalone tftpd (but according to the man page tftpd is started by inetd) |
| 22:52.28 | karlpinc | I'm running kde but have the gnome package installed. How do I get to the gnome help for utilities? Does something else need installing? I don't see anything under the debian help menu. |
| 22:53.14 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You don't have to start tftpd with inetd. I don't. It was easier that way. |
| 22:53.30 | PARLIAMENT | who knew of a crippled kid who could latin dance |
| 22:53.34 | PARLIAMENT | wrong window :/ |
| 22:53.36 | karlpinc | nsadmin: /etc/default/tftpd-hpa |
| 22:53.56 | nsadmin | is that the config file? |
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| 22:54.20 | nsadmin | does it show how it logs? the man page didn't mention logging |
| 22:54.29 | karlpinc | nsadmin: It's one of them for tfptd-hpa. Often the starting of daemons is controlled in /etc/default/ |
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| 22:55.22 | nsadmin | I just purged my copy which I installed to read the man page |
| 22:55.44 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I think it logs with the daemon facility. |
| 22:55.46 | g00se | has tried starting tftpd with and without inetd |
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| 22:56.07 | nsadmin | so you think it logs to syslog |
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| 22:59.07 | g00se | nsadmin: Yes. It looks like inetd started it and now i can't therefore start it stand-alone |
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| 22:59.46 | nsadmin | do you understand how to work inetd? |
| 23:00.18 | PARLIAMENT | today a young man realized for the first time that maybe the entire universe is one vibrating electron |
| 23:00.31 | PARLIAMENT | wrong window again sorry :/ |
| 23:00.34 | PARLIAMENT | I'll part |
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| 23:01.03 | nsadmin | like a lot of daemons... you can edit their configs |
| 23:01.38 | nsadmin | this alone will not change their behavior... so you could stop/start them... but there's a fairly common way to "kick" them |
| 23:02.02 | nsadmin | find its process id and send that process a SIGHUP |
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| 23:02.34 | Schuenemann | question: can I download a squeeze package, unpack, alter DEBIAN/control to lenny and generate a new package for lenny? Does that sound reasonable? |
| 23:02.59 | nsadmin | so... edit config, find process id of server daemon, send it a SIGHUP, and, having been kicked, it will reread its config |
| 23:03.01 | Titan8990 | !tell Schuenemann about ssb |
| 23:03.30 | nsadmin | Schuenemann: give it a shot |
| 23:03.45 | g00se | nsadmin: The unfortunate thing is that a tftp port is still open, but inetd doesn't have a tftpf subprocess (any more) |
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| 23:04.22 | nsadmin | you're much better off doing something like that than to install the squeeze package, because if you do that you introduce squeeze deps into your lenny install |
| 23:04.41 | Titan8990 | *cough* ssb |
| 23:04.41 | Schuenemann | nsadmin, the way the bot says looks more complicated heh |
| 23:04.53 | Schuenemann | nsadmin, why does it say a deb-src to sid, not to squeeze? |
| 23:04.54 | Titan8990 | Schuenemann: it can be pasted into a single line... |
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| 23:05.11 | nsadmin | you can do it to squeze |
| 23:06.11 | Schuenemann | the package is transmission and it has dependencies. Will I build those too? |
| 23:06.27 | Schuenemann | explanation wasn't clear for me |
| 23:06.39 | Titan8990 | ,depends transmission --release squeezae\ |
| 23:06.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'transmission' was found in None/i386. |
| 23:06.42 | Titan8990 | ,depends transmission --release squeeze |
| 23:06.44 | judd | transmission -- depends: transmission-cli (>= 1.91-1), transmission-gtk (>= 1.91-1), transmission-common (= 1.91-1). |
| 23:06.54 | Titan8990 | ,depends transmission-common --release squeeze |
| 23:06.55 | judd | transmission-common -- depends: None. |
| 23:07.19 | g00se | nsadmin: I did sudo kill -SIGHUP 2133 (where 2133 is inetd that started tftpd - is that right?) |
| 23:07.26 | Schuenemann | ,depends transmission-gtk --release squeeze |
| 23:07.27 | judd | transmission-gtk -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-1.4-2 (>= 1.4.13-stable), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libnotify1 (>= 0.4.5), libnotify1-gtk2.10, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), transmission-common (= 1.91-1). |
| 23:07.34 | Schuenemann | oh great... |
| 23:08.33 | Titan8990 | Schuenemann: a lot of those depends are in lenny |
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| 23:11.11 | Schuenemann | Titan8990, I think I'd better install squeeze |
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| 23:11.32 | neurodamage | what's a good way to strip down the packages on my system to a bare minimum? any efficient way of doing this? in a one liner |
| 23:12.11 | Titan8990 | Schuenemann: before even trying? for one application? |
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| 23:13.15 | Schuenemann | Titan8990, I have a feeling I'll mess APT |
| 23:13.35 | fruitwerks | I lost my keyboard again in x... I can be working just fine and all of the sudden it is like the alt key is stuck on |
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| 23:16.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone provide me a guide to install debian using PXE with using the normal Debian CD image instead of the netboot |
| 23:18.44 | g00se_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Get PXE working to begin with - as i'm trying to do ;) |
| 23:18.47 | Titan8990 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you must be confused on what PXE is |
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| 23:19.05 | fruitwerks | lol |
| 23:19.22 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: try boot.kernel.org |
| 23:19.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have a notebook with a faulty cd rom.. tried the USB installation but it fault. so i am trying a PXE installation using TFTP |
| 23:20.02 | g00se_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Well that makes two of us ;) |
| 23:20.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | was looking through some guide online. but they are mostly focused on the netboot image instead of the full cd image |
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| 23:20.33 | g00se_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Why do you find the distinction important? |
| 23:20.36 | JubilieOfLights | YEAH MY NAME IS PEDRO |
| 23:20.38 | JubilieOfLights | YEAH IM REALLY COOL |
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| 23:21.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have a slow internet connection . so cant use netinstall |
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| 23:22.21 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you just need to use the netboot image, then make the contents of the cd available locally via http |
| 23:22.26 | g00se_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Does your usb storage work at all? |
| 23:23.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | g00se : i was using unetbootin to create a Debian Installation.. booted up. but failed when it started looking for CD ROMS as install media |
| 23:23.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
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| 23:23.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hence i had to switch to the PXE method |
| 23:23.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :( |
| 23:23.20 | Titan8990 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: thats a common issue with unetbootin, try the method in the official install guide |
| 23:23.38 | Titan8990 | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about install guide |
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| 23:24.36 | k\- | for some reason i think you're trying to dd an image to disk then create the MBR, or use syslinux... idk... i could be wrong... |
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| 23:25.22 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if that is the problem you are having them pxe will not help you in the slightest |
| 23:25.49 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: just share the contents of the cdrom via http. boot off the 'broken' usb image you made, and tell it to use http |
| 23:26.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i tell it to use http? |
| 23:26.14 | justin | i's the default network method |
| 23:26.16 | justin | you press enter |
| 23:26.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and the source machine is Windows :S |
| 23:26.36 | justin | so? |
| 23:26.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | http as in over the internet? |
| 23:26.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | using repositories? |
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| 23:27.00 | nsadmin | actually you can use netinst to install the base |
| 23:27.15 | justin | he said his internets is slow |
| 23:27.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the problem lies here. i cant use the internet. as i have a 512k connection |
| 23:27.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wil take houes |
| 23:27.28 | g00se_ | And then get packages of a stick |
| 23:27.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *hours |
| 23:27.34 | nsadmin | the base is on the image |
| 23:28.01 | justin | hours? the base install download is like 200MB max |
| 23:28.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | if i could somehow put the CD/DVD iso image in the usb would be nice |
| 23:28.17 | justin | you can. put the iso image on the usb disk |
| 23:28.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ofcourse i wont use my system like that :P.. download gnome / Xorg.. etc wil take hours |
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| 23:28.27 | nsadmin | 512k is slow? let's see, that's about 51k/s |
| 23:28.29 | justin | or share it via http. or share it via tp. it really doesn't matter, you just have to do something |
| 23:28.35 | justin | sigh |
| 23:28.54 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: once you ge the base system install you can just copy the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:29.05 | justin | debian gives you dozens of options to install from, pick one |
| 23:29.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | where are the debs located in the cd/dvd? |
| 23:29.20 | nsadmin | or at least... |
| 23:29.29 | nsadmin | pick one at a time... |
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| 23:30.34 | justin | you could have installed apache(or any other web server) on windows by now |
| 23:32.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i wil install apache for the windows machine.. and copy the contents of the cd? and boot using the pendrive for my notebook? |
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| 23:33.46 | peterrooney | sh4d3sl4y3r_: something lke "find /cdrom/pool -iname *deb -exec cp {} /target/var/cache/apt/archive" |
| 23:34.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
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| 23:34.10 | g00se_ | I used sysv-rc-conf to remove any starting of tftpd yet inet seems to have started it - i don't get it |
| 23:34.39 | neurodamage | so I got disconnected earlier after asking my question so my apologies, but is there a way with aptitude/apt-get remove to pass a set of options that will essentially leave me with a base system? or is this a tedious process in order to clean up the system? |
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| 23:35.48 | g00se_ | neurodamage: It would probably always be easier and safer to start again |
| 23:36.15 | neurodamage | g00se_: oh mang :( |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | neurodamage: you mean uninstall everything you've installed since you setup originally ? |
| 23:36.39 | neurodamage | abrotman: yup :) |
| 23:36.46 | themill | !uninstall everything |
| 23:36.47 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | neurodamage: is there a good reason for this ? |
| 23:37.30 | themill | (there's actually a shorter way again than that using dpkg) |
| 23:38.27 | Titan8990 | themill: and what is that? |
| 23:38.34 | themill | "dpkg --clear-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade" iirc |
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| 23:39.03 | themill | although that cuts even deeper and isn't really desirable. (removes everything except Essential) |
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| 23:39.18 | abrotman | themill: why not just 'aptitude purge "~i~poptional" etc ? |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | asks the tough questions .. or something |
| 23:40.41 | neurodamage | abrotman: yeah I tried going to squeeze on my box from lenny, but had a TON of packages and now there's all kinds of conflicts issues, would just like to reinstall all the packages on the system without losing the data |
| 23:40.49 | themill | abrotman: that should work too |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | themill: i can't remember all the non-important ones .. but i'd guess something ike "aptitude purge "~i~poptional" "~i~pextra" .. etc would work .. and be less .. confusing ? |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | neurodamage: oh .. i'd probably start by using aptitude to remove metapackages |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | neurodamage: or show us the errors in a pastebin |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | really enjoys leaving off the closing '/" |
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| 23:48.07 | neurodamage | abrotman: ok kewl, I'll create a pastebin for it :) |
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| 23:53.39 | neurodamage | abrotman: going to be a few minutes takes a while for it to go through all this |
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| 23:55.32 | jpwhiting | wols: I found the problem |
| 23:55.37 | jpwhiting | well, er fixed it at least |
| 23:55.49 | jpwhiting | xinit runs fine, startx shows a black screen with no cursor |
| 23:55.51 | jpwhiting | weird, eh? |
| 23:56.00 | jpwhiting | installing gdm and it worked fine |
| 23:56.05 | jpwhiting | so no worries :) |
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| 23:57.08 | neurodamage | http://pastebin.com/2edCnapD |
| 23:57.23 | neurodamage | abrotman: that's the whole aptitude full-upgrade process output via tee |
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