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| 00:02.58 | tty0 | Hi. Who is the new DPL of Debian? |
| 00:03.15 | themill | zack |
| 00:03.26 | tty0 | thanks |
| 00:03.28 | tty0 | =) |
| 00:04.03 | nsadmin | So I found out that fglrx modules for my kernel are in the lenny repo, so I installed them and tried it... running 2.6.26-2-xen-686, x log http://pastebin.ca/1862558 |
| 00:04.15 | streuner_ | tty0: not finished yet |
| 00:04.27 | tty0 | ohh fuck |
| 00:04.27 | streuner_ | themill: zack? |
| 00:04.56 | nsadmin | whos term is ending? |
| 00:05.04 | themill | streuner_, tty0: finished 4 minutes ago. master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2010 |
| 00:05.24 | tty0 | thanks |
| 00:05.28 | tty0 | themill: :) |
| 00:05.32 | trash80 | who is zeck? |
| 00:05.39 | nsadmin | dunno :) |
| 00:05.44 | trash80 | a chinese? |
| 00:06.24 | nsadmin | you know, that actually matters so much... debian will live or die depending on the race of the DPL... |
| 00:06.27 | nsadmin | sheesh. |
| 00:06.59 | streuner_ | zack? who is he? |
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| 00:07.58 | nsadmin | who was the most recent DPL before zack? |
| 00:08.07 | dondelelcaro | Steve McIntyre |
| 00:08.21 | Cain | streuner_ : http://upsilon.cc/~zack/ |
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| 00:09.19 | streuner_ | Cain: ah, thanks |
| 00:09.47 | nsadmin | dude's a doktor |
| 00:10.34 | streuner_ | well, the other were well educated too... |
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| 00:15.38 | nsadmin | So I found out that fglrx modules for my kernel are in the lenny repo, so I installed them and tried it... running 2.6.26-2-xen-686, x log http://pastebin.ca/1862558 shows the driver segfaulted |
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| 00:38.12 | nsadmin | what is it that makes xorg make the monitor think it should power down? |
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| 00:43.21 | Tramp | nsadmin: dpms? |
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| 00:44.36 | nsadmin | Tramp: can I stop it from doing it? basically X seems to stop sending to the monitor and the monitor gets no signal and hibernates |
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| 00:45.11 | Tramp | nsadmin: iirc "xset -dpms force off", but I always get the dashes wrong ... |
| 00:46.10 | Tramp | nsadmin: however, some combination containing "xset" and "dpms" |
| 00:48.10 | nsadmin | gotcha, thanks... I found somethign that gets xset to report all the settings |
| 00:48.43 | Tramp | yw |
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| 01:00.18 | F00L | does anyone have a good link about procedures to secure debian server ? |
| 01:00.52 | F00L | i mean advanced stuff, not the classic rsa/dsa keys, fail2ban etc |
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| 01:01.09 | streuner_ | unplug of i-net and you are safe |
| 01:01.13 | F00L | especially protections against rootkits or backdoors...some tools to detect them |
| 01:01.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | streunet answered your question |
| 01:01.41 | streuner_ | depends how much time you would able/going to spend |
| 01:01.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
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| 01:02.41 | F00L | well the case is simple, a few hours ago, someone suceeded to connect to my server despite rsa keys and all the classic stuff |
| 01:02.47 | F00L | and i can't figure how |
| 01:03.48 | streuner_ | well, just unplug that machine right now |
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| 01:04.04 | criacuervo | hi guys |
| 01:04.22 | criacuervo | i have an enghtenment issue |
| 01:04.37 | streuner_ | e17? |
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| 01:04.48 | F00L | streuner_, if i could i would do it :p |
| 01:05.00 | Titan8990 | F00L: you were allowing public key auth only? |
| 01:05.20 | F00L | yeah |
| 01:05.35 | F00L | no direct password input |
| 01:05.55 | Titan8990 | F00L: so you have: PermitRootLogin without-password in sshd_config? |
| 01:06.00 | criacuervo | I have e16-1.0.0 |
| 01:06.10 | Titan8990 | ,versions e16 |
| 01:06.12 | judd | e16 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; sid: 1.0.0-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.0-3.1 |
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| 01:07.26 | F00L | Titan8990, that's right |
| 01:08.27 | Titan8990 | F00L: I would suspect the box with the private key to have got rooted personally |
| 01:08.58 | criacuervo | i have e16-1.0.0 and when i get the login window , i have to select between E-GNOME OR E-KDE |
| 01:09.08 | F00L | yes but there is a strong passphrase in addition to that |
| 01:09.18 | criacuervo | i thought it was a single environment |
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| 01:09.52 | criacuervo | now im on E-GNOME .which is my Gnome.+E |
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| 01:11.41 | Titan8990 | criacuervo: you may actually have better luck on #e |
| 01:12.44 | criacuervo | They send me here |
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| 01:13.08 | criacuervo | the E channel sent me here |
| 01:13.10 | criacuervo | hahaha |
| 01:13.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | criacuervo : use TWM :P |
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| 01:18.36 | kspath | I hear awesome is an awesome WM |
| 01:20.09 | \amethyst | soi-disant |
| 01:20.10 | \amethyst | :P |
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| 01:30.32 | LordKow | what would be the best method to prevent cdbs from stripping binaries? rules is also using the qmake cdbs class |
| 01:31.06 | LordKow | cdbs appears to be completely ignoring the nostrip flag in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. |
| 01:31.39 | Titan8990 | LordKow: #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 01:31.47 | LordKow | ah, sorry |
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| 01:34.37 | unomi | Hi, I am having some issues migrating from 1 hdd to another, stuck on what seems to be an initrd issue |
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| 01:35.42 | unomi | how can I rebuild it when the hdd in question is mounted from a different boot device? |
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| 01:37.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm is it really necessary to use an antivirus with Linux :S |
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| 01:41.47 | ngomes | what package contains lame lib ? |
| 01:41.58 | ngomes | i only see layer 2 packages |
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| 01:43.39 | Lost_Penguin | hello |
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| 01:44.14 | Lost_Penguin | I have just installed debian with lxde |
| 01:44.39 | Lost_Penguin | it is nice, but need help with minimal detail! |
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| 01:46.54 | Lost_Penguin | I used the root terminal and I didn't notice that the save password was selected... now I would like to make it ask for the password again |
| 01:47.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Lost_Pengiun : are you using sudo ? |
| 01:48.40 | Titan8990 | Lost_Penguin: did you save for the session or save in the keyring? |
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| 01:51.05 | Lost_Penguin | no sudo... I just used the root terminal from the menu... it had the selection box to save the password selected, which I notice once I had pressed the ok button |
| 01:52.11 | Lost_Penguin | form normal user account |
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| 01:55.30 | ngomes | I NEED LAME |
| 01:55.33 | ngomes | -.- |
| 01:56.28 | wols_ | ngomes: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 01:58.31 | ngomes | thanks wols_ |
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| 01:58.43 | axe | Lost_Penguin, may be you need to read help to terminal you use? or search in options. |
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| 02:00.42 | Lost_Penguin | well am looking for info... I wonder where does the setting saves to in the first place |
| 02:03.13 | Titan8990 | Lost_Penguin: its probably just for the session. just log out and login |
| 02:03.33 | Titan8990 | Lost_Penguin: if not, its probably in the gnome-keyring which I am not exactly sure how it works' |
| 02:03.34 | Lost_Penguin | will try that... |
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| 02:09.21 | Lost_Penguin | hey.. I was wondering, How can I speed the boot process ... |
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| 02:10.44 | ngomes | Lost_Penguin, buy a SSD disk :> |
| 02:11.54 | Lost_Penguin | ha... would be nice if I had a job to finace that |
| 02:12.33 | ngomes | go work , u bumb |
| 02:12.37 | ngomes | :D |
| 02:12.42 | Lost_Penguin | oh thanks for the helping with the password thingy... |
| 02:13.50 | Lost_Penguin | well do you have any job opportunities I could take |
| 02:14.27 | wols_ | Lost_Penguin: run bootchart |
| 02:16.23 | Titan8990 | Lost_Penguin: the usual is disabling services... some small time can usually be saved by compiling a custom kernel without an initrd so there is no need for the initial ramdisk load |
| 02:17.14 | Lost_Penguin | mmm... now I have 2 errors, "gtk+ theme is not set up pproperly" and sesion not lasting more than 10 seconds... odd |
| 02:17.36 | Titan8990 | pastebin errors, don't summarize for us |
| 02:18.38 | Lost_Penguin | my bad... can't copy and paste from one pc to and other... at least not yet... |
| 02:19.30 | Titan8990 | !pastebinit |
| 02:19.30 | dpkg | somebody said pastebinit was a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use eg. "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/" |
| 02:20.52 | Lost_Penguin | well thats useful... will try once I make that comp useful... |
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| 02:27.06 | Titan8990 | Lost_Penguin: you should be prepared to provide pastebins when seeking help on irc |
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| 02:27.37 | Lost_Penguin | will do... |
| 02:28.37 | Lost_Penguin | at the moment will stay and see wile googling around |
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| 02:28.51 | funyun | anyone know of a good usenet client for debian? |
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| 02:32.39 | near | hiii |
| 02:32.56 | near | anyone knows how to use the vmware player on google chrome? |
| 02:33.25 | Titan8990 | near: I would ask that elsewhere |
| 02:33.37 | near | well |
| 02:33.45 | near | how to use it in any other browser on debian? |
| 02:33.58 | near | i tried epiphany |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | near: ask #vmware .. seriously doubt it owrks |
| 02:34.46 | near | it does on firefox |
| 02:34.53 | near | anyone knows how to re instal iceweasel? |
| 02:35.03 | near | i deleted it trying to install firefox xD |
| 02:35.05 | Titan8990 | vmware works inside of a web browser? am I missing something? |
| 02:35.06 | near | ended up with google chrome |
| 02:35.19 | near | i dont get a login page in epiphany |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | Titan8990: the plugin for the vm viewer |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | it "works" in iceweasel |
| 02:36.04 | near | so to get iceweasel? |
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| 02:36.05 | near | apt? |
| 02:36.32 | near | done thnx |
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| 02:40.55 | DynV | I'm trying to have all files containing only decimals as a name of at least 8 digits of the same extension to begin with a label with the regex equivalent of "^(\d{8,}\.ext)$" > "label-$1" and the closest I came was http://snipplr.com/view/2736/rename-multiple-files-in-bash-using-regular-expressions/ so I tried the following which doesn't function and wouldn't reject the occurrences where... |
| 02:40.56 | DynV | ...there would be non-digits after the 8 digits (before the extension): |
| 02:40.58 | DynV | for i in *.ext; do j=`echo $i | sed 's/^[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]/label-$1/g'`; echo "$j"; done |
| 02:41.34 | Titan8990 | DynV: /join #bash |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | #bash |
| 02:42.13 | magyar | hi, how can i get file access without sudo? |
| 02:42.24 | magyar | do i add my user to a root group? |
| 02:42.37 | DynV | Titan8990 abrotman : ty :) |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | su? which file? |
| 02:42.45 | tsccof | magyar: you may run 'chown -hR <username> <file/dir name> |
| 02:42.52 | extor | Besides openvz are there any other types of jail/chroot environments in squeeze? I want to run a cgi script that I would like to sandbox if possible... |
| 02:43.04 | tsccof | magyar: that will make your user the owner of the specified file |
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| 02:43.30 | abrotman | magyar: no, you do not add your user to the root group .. |
| 02:43.38 | magyar | tsccof: cant do chown, to many different users and groups in the sub-directories |
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| 02:43.45 | abrotman | which file? |
| 02:43.49 | Titan8990 | tsccof: I know the questions asked... but it might best to make sure that he is not talking about a system file he should not own |
| 02:44.06 | magyar | i need to rsync stuff of the server and i don;t have root ssh enabled |
| 02:44.09 | tsccof | Titan8990: agreed |
| 02:44.16 | magyar | abrotman: ^ |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | magyar: that's a totally different questoin |
| 02:44.41 | karlpinc | magyar: PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 02:44.53 | Titan8990 | does the above |
| 02:45.46 | magyar | abrotman: well if i rsync as my user I cant get access to the files and also I cant sudo with rsync |
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| 02:46.45 | karlpinc | magyar: You can rsync as root, just without a password. |
| 02:47.22 | magyar | karlpinc: huh? |
| 02:47.33 | magyar | what chu say Lewis? |
| 02:47.49 | karlpinc | magyar: You use public key authentication. |
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| 02:48.24 | magyar | karlpinc: hmm, my kung-fu is not that strong |
| 02:50.06 | karlpinc | magyar: It's painless. You simply need to read the instructions. If you won't then you can blindly follow one of the kazillion howtos on the net and hope you picked the right one. |
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| 02:50.45 | Titan8990 | there is even an official howto.. that is fine to follow |
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| 02:51.41 | magyar | karlpinc: thank you, i'll do some readin' |
| 02:52.12 | miguel000 | hello, i need flash 10 under lenny, is there any alternative to this backports approach? |
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| 03:03.26 | xuser | miguel000: download it from adobe |
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| 03:06.58 | Titan8990 | miguel000: the adobe upstream stuff is generally not supported here though |
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| 03:24.34 | bobo_b | hi |
| 03:24.36 | autopsy | I downloaded Debian Lenny CD 1 and CD 2. I also downloaded another boot.img.gz which was written to a USB stick, and a net install ISO file downloaded to that USB stick. I also wrote the net install ISO to a CDROM. All 3 methods of instalation fail saying that packages from the base system are corrupt. file://cdrom/pool/ then the package name. Is this normal? |
| 03:25.43 | interbird2k7 | you cannot write an ISO to an USB (you can but it wont work) -- follow the instructions for USB-boot |
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| 03:26.04 | bobo_b | i borrowed one of those power measurement thingies form work and was very confused to find out that after installing cpufreutils (and lowering cpu freq from 2,4 to 0,3 ghz) my power conyumption stayed exactly the same |
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| 03:28.26 | autopsy | Internat I didn't write an ISO to a USB drive. |
| 03:28.50 | autopsy | I downloaded an ISO file to a USB drive and wrote the boot.img.gz to the USB drive using zcat. |
| 03:29.34 | autopsy | In any case is there a reason why CD 1 and CD 2 written to CDROMs also say that the packages are corrupt? |
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| 03:31.23 | Titan8990 | autopsy: you can get debugging information from one the other ttys |
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| 03:31.40 | Titan8990 | autopsy: i forget which, 3 maybe |
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| 03:32.06 | Bop | !kernel lenny |
| 03:32.12 | Titan8990 | ,kernels |
| 03:32.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:32.19 | autopsy | I can only assume it is a network not available issue, even though it successfully does a DHCP setup for the network. Every package in the base system seemed to be corrupt. |
| 03:32.49 | Titan8990 | autopsy: so it is during in the installation of the base files? |
| 03:32.55 | autopsy | Yeah. |
| 03:33.34 | Titan8990 | autopsy: try to have a look at the debugging info |
| 03:33.56 | autopsy | I will. I'll come back if I find anything useful. |
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| 03:37.00 | Bop | is wpa_supplicant and wicd available in netinstall debian iso ? cause im falling back from sid to stable and i need it to acess internet |
| 03:37.30 | liable | not during install |
| 03:37.45 | Bop | so i need somehow to have wired connection |
| 03:38.21 | Bop | damn |
| 03:38.58 | liable | kmuto was adding it for a while, dunno if he still does |
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| 03:39.50 | Bop | what is kmuto |
| 03:40.09 | liable | he makes install images with newer kernels and stuff |
| 03:40.12 | liable | !kmuto |
| 03:40.12 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 03:41.04 | bleh2 | hey this is going to sound like a stupid question. i'm working on upgrading a half-upgraded server running etch |
| 03:41.07 | bleh2 | to lenny |
| 03:41.26 | bleh2 | some idiot changed the sources.list to be "stable" and never did a dist-upgrade |
| 03:41.40 | bleh2 | so, can i just do "aptitude dist-upgrade" as root, and let it work itself out? |
| 03:42.06 | Titan8990 | !tell bleh2 about etch->lenny |
| 03:42.12 | bleh2 | i fail. sorry :( |
| 03:42.20 | Bop | damn , debian should have full network support as is its a net install procedure |
| 03:42.27 | Titan8990 | bleh2: even though you might be running mostly lenny already, you should still look at the changelog |
| 03:42.39 | Bop | its quite stupid not have the wpa + wifi manager |
| 03:42.56 | Titan8990 | Bop: you can install without the network using the netinst cd, you just cannot select any tasks |
| 03:42.58 | bleh2 | thanks Titan8990 |
| 03:43.09 | Titan8990 | Bop: installing over wifi is usually undesirable |
| 03:43.45 | Bop | what ? can install but cannot select any tasks ? |
| 03:43.51 | Bop | not following |
| 03:44.01 | bleh2 | !tell bleh2 about sarge->lenny |
| 03:44.04 | bleh2 | older than i thought :( |
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| 03:44.35 | Titan8990 | Bop: the installer allows you to select tasks such as "laptop" and "desktop". |
| 03:44.55 | Titan8990 | Bop: the cd1, cd2, etc have these tasks |
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| 03:44.58 | wols_ | bleh2: you can install a base debian system, but you cannot install all of debian without a network connection when using netinst |
| 03:45.23 | liable | wrong nick d00d |
| 03:45.24 | Titan8990 | bleh2: pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 03:45.25 | Bop | i just saying that wpa and wifi manager is ESSENCIAL to net inst |
| 03:45.35 | wols_ | no they are not :) |
| 03:45.57 | Bop | if it is a net install , all types of net instalation must be supported |
| 03:46.25 | liable | if your box will boot from usb, the eeepc installer has wpa support |
| 03:46.35 | bleh2 | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/JRBRTvCF |
| 03:46.38 | bleh2 | it appears to be lenny |
| 03:46.46 | bleh2 | etch* |
| 03:47.22 | Titan8990 | bleh2: thats a good sign, what makes you think your on sarge? |
| 03:47.32 | Bop | ill just download packages standalone and dpkg -i myself |
| 03:47.46 | Bop | a pile of packages ! |
| 03:47.47 | bleh2 | root@eowyn:~# uname -a |
| 03:47.47 | bleh2 | Linux eowyn 2.4.27.2004.262 #1 SMP Sat Sep 18 17:20:47 MDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:47.51 | bleh2 | that |
| 03:48.09 | bleh2 | and, the /etc/apt/sources.list has a bunch of sarge entries |
| 03:48.49 | wols_ | since you don't use a debian kernel, dpkg -l libc6 is a better indicator |
| 03:49.41 | bleh2 | it is on etch then. |
| 03:49.51 | bleh2 | i'll go ahead and follow those directions from dpkg then. thank you :D |
| 03:50.17 | Bop | nah |
| 03:50.20 | Bop | too many packages |
| 03:50.23 | Bop | not a solution |
| 03:50.36 | zifnab | i have no clue why my name was bleh2 either :( |
| 03:50.37 | Bop | does debian stable have this packages ? |
| 03:50.41 | Arrowmaster | oh great, gnome-power-manager 2.30 has made it to testing, i wonder if gnome-screensaver is going to break again now if i let it update |
| 03:50.56 | Bop | does debian stable have this packages ? wicd and wpa-supp. |
| 03:51.01 | bobo_b | i borrowed one of those power measurement thingies form work and was very confused to find out that after installing cpufrequtils (and lowering cpu freq from 2,4 to 0,3 ghz) my power consumption stayed exactly the same |
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| 03:54.05 | Bop | come on |
| 03:54.08 | Bop | i need help :| |
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| 03:54.50 | Titan8990 | Bop: use the judd bot. /msg judd versions wicd |
| 03:54.53 | zifnab | if one of the suggestions for aptitude install aptitude is remove linux-kernel-headers |
| 03:54.59 | zifnab | those are just the developement headers right? |
| 03:55.09 | zifnab | nothing to do with the actual kernel |
| 03:55.18 | liable | correct |
| 03:55.25 | zifnab | perfect |
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| 03:55.30 | Bop | Titan8990, no backports are included in CD iso , right |
| 03:59.44 | zifnab | Bop, that sounds right from what i know of other distros |
| 03:59.58 | zifnab | being solaris/ubuntu/rh |
| 04:04.50 | Bop | so , no wpa support even i get the stable DVD iso |
| 04:04.56 | Bop | that's nice -.- |
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| 04:05.27 | zifnab | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.35 | liable | if you have the dvd, you dont really need it during install.. |
| 04:05.53 | Bop | liable, ? |
| 04:05.58 | zifnab | Bop, apt-get install wpasupplicant |
| 04:06.28 | Bop | right , i just need to know IF PACKAGE IS INCLUDED IN THE ISO |
| 04:06.53 | liable | !cd contents |
| 04:06.53 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 04:06.53 | Bop | THATS WHAT IM ASKING |
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| 04:09.20 | adb | Bop, calm down , please |
| 04:11.16 | zifnab | i am starting to love aptitude |
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| 04:12.12 | Bop | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 "Lenny" - Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD Binary-1 20100131-19:57 (20100131) |
| 04:12.20 | Bop | this means that cd iso have it ? |
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| 04:13.30 | \amethyst | Bop: search for release/5.0.4/i386/jigdo-dvd to find which DVD it's on in the 5.0.4 release |
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| 04:14.06 | near | hi |
| 04:14.11 | \amethyst | Bop: or weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd to find out which CD of the weekly testing build |
| 04:14.24 | near | anyone knows a link to wget the sources.list with most repos? |
| 04:14.59 | Bop | \amethyst, dude , u make a huge confusion out of a simple question , serious |
| 04:15.09 | \amethyst | Bop: wpasupplicant is on i386 CD 1 and DVD 1 in 5.0.4 |
| 04:15.25 | Arrowmaster | seriously where else would you expect it to be? |
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| 04:15.54 | \amethyst | Bop: likewise in testing |
| 04:16.15 | near | anyone? |
| 04:16.47 | near | plus im using scp to get the sources.list from another machine |
| 04:16.51 | Arrowmaster | near: no because thats a stupid request |
| 04:16.57 | near | and it says scp: .: not a regular file |
| 04:17.19 | near | explain why it is stupid arrowmaster |
| 04:17.25 | near | obviously i do not know that |
| 04:17.33 | Arrowmaster | because there isnt a universal sources.list |
| 04:17.43 | near | i see, but about the scp |
| 04:17.51 | \amethyst | Bop: wicd isn't in Lenny, but in the weekly testing builds it's on CD 4, DVD 1 |
| 04:17.53 | near | why cant i fetch the file? im using |
| 04:17.59 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
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| 04:18.15 | near | scp -P 80 ip: /etc/apt/sources.list /etc |
| 04:18.31 | hayleyw | no space between ip: and /etc |
| 04:18.33 | \amethyst | near: no space between the remote host and remove filename |
| 04:18.39 | \amethyst | s/remove/remote/ |
| 04:18.56 | \amethyst | and you might want to copy it to /etc/apt/ instead |
| 04:18.57 | Bop | \amethyst, but i dont want testing |
| 04:19.36 | \amethyst | Bop: then you don't get wicd |
| 04:19.48 | near | it says no such file or directory |
| 04:19.51 | near | and i know its there |
| 04:19.55 | near | how can this be |
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| 04:20.10 | near | lol one moment |
| 04:20.11 | hayleyw | near, because you cant read what people have told you ? |
| 04:20.12 | Bop | lol @ lenny instalation trought wifi |
| 04:20.20 | Bop | i give up |
| 04:20.30 | near | lol |
| 04:20.33 | near | i was writing |
| 04:20.37 | near | sources.lst |
| 04:20.39 | near | not .list |
| 04:20.40 | near | xD |
| 04:21.01 | near | well i did this |
| 04:21.04 | near | to try and install openssh |
| 04:21.18 | near | but it says openssh-server has no installation candidate |
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| 04:21.26 | near | apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 04:21.29 | \amethyst | did you apt-get update |
| 04:21.30 | \amethyst | ? |
| 04:21.34 | near | yes a lot of times |
| 04:21.36 | hayleyw | !PEBKAC |
| 04:21.36 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 04:21.36 | near | let me try again |
| 04:21.49 | liable | how are you using scp if its not installed anyway? |
| 04:21.50 | near | since i have a new file |
| 04:21.54 | near | i should do it again |
| 04:21.59 | near | lol i have the client |
| 04:22.01 | near | not the server |
| 04:22.04 | near | don-t know why |
| 04:22.20 | near | i mean i cant find anything in my processes |
| 04:22.25 | near | and there is no entry in init.d |
| 04:22.28 | near | where else? |
| 04:26.46 | zifnab | near, scp is built into openssh |
| 04:26.59 | zifnab | and i think it comes preinstalled on debian |
| 04:27.44 | near | so |
| 04:27.50 | near | how would i run the ssh daemon? |
| 04:28.15 | hayleyw | you install openssh-server |
| 04:28.32 | zifnab | sudo apt-get install openssh-server |
| 04:28.35 | zifnab | a |
| 04:28.36 | zifnab | and |
| 04:28.44 | zifnab | try /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 04:29.19 | \amethyst | near: when you copied the sources.list to the new machine, did you copy it to /etc or to /etc/apt ? |
| 04:29.32 | hayleyw | zifnab, no. it's /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 04:30.10 | hayleyw | zifnab, and installing it starts it, regardless |
| 04:31.00 | zifnab | hayleyw, my bad. i get confused with daemons, some end with d others dont |
| 04:31.03 | \amethyst | if openssh-server has no installation candidate, and you've done an update, there is still a problem with your sources |
| 04:33.32 | zifnab | *crosses fingers* just upgraded kernel hopefully it boots back up |
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| 04:35.06 | fonseg | so i can use "aptitude hold pkg" to prevent pkg to be upgraded. but after use this command to hold some pkgs, what can i do to list these held pkgs at a later time? |
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| 04:36.03 | zifnab | fonseg it lists them every time you try to do anything, iirc |
| 04:36.11 | near | there is no sshd |
| 04:36.14 | zifnab | near its ssh |
| 04:36.22 | near | yeah well |
| 04:36.24 | near | no ssh either |
| 04:36.27 | near | in etc init.d |
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| 04:36.58 | near | great now im installing it |
| 04:37.06 | near | from a blacklist repository xD |
| 04:37.08 | fonseg | zifnab: what do you mean by "try to do anything". with aptitude? |
| 04:37.11 | \amethyst | fonseg: aptitude search '~ahold' |
| 04:37.16 | near | so you can have scp but not ssh ? |
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| 04:37.33 | \amethyst | fonseg: when you install packages from the command line, it lists the packages being upgraded, held, removed, etc |
| 04:37.46 | hayleyw | sigh |
| 04:37.58 | zifnab | sorry about that fonseg |
| 04:38.05 | zifnab | i'm a noob trying to help |
| 04:38.14 | \amethyst | near: is the openssh-server package installed yet? |
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| 04:38.28 | chronossc | how I reinstall a package? |
| 04:38.42 | fonseg | \amethyst: is there a plain text file responsible for held pkgs? |
| 04:38.43 | hayleyw | aptitude --reinstall install foo |
| 04:38.48 | \amethyst | chronossc: are there config files that need to be reinstalled |
| 04:38.50 | \amethyst | ? |
| 04:39.06 | chronossc | nop, appears that someone removed ssl from python package hehe |
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| 04:40.14 | near | now it is |
| 04:40.20 | near | and i have a ssh in etc init.d |
| 04:40.43 | \amethyst | fonseg: probably /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates |
| 04:41.00 | \amethyst | fonseg: wait, holds are in apt |
| 04:41.47 | chronossc | I reinstalled all this pkgs: python-openssl python-openssl-dbg python-openssl-doc python-pyopenssl python-ncrypt openssl python |
| 04:41.57 | chronossc | but still getting a import error on py -c 'import ssl' |
| 04:42.16 | chronossc | *python -c 'import ssl' |
| 04:42.19 | near | but i want to be able to connect to this machine from the outside |
| 04:42.28 | near | isisnt the openssh server package the one i need? |
| 04:42.33 | near | still i dont have a ssh daemon |
| 04:42.46 | hayleyw | near, if you have /etc/innit.d/ssh as you said you do, you have the ssh daemon |
| 04:42.52 | fonseg | that's it, thank you \amethyst |
| 04:42.55 | hayleyw | /etc/init.d/ssh* |
| 04:43.08 | chronossc | someone have idea to me? |
| 04:43.17 | near | but i tried ssh start |
| 04:43.25 | near | and it said starting sshd |
| 04:43.26 | near | and also |
| 04:43.36 | near | fake start stop daemon called |
| 04:43.37 | near | doing nothing |
| 04:43.38 | near | wtf? |
| 04:43.46 | extor | Where are all the config filed for bind9 hiding in squeeze? |
| 04:44.04 | \amethyst | chronossc: the 'ssl' module was added in python 2.6 |
| 04:44.11 | \amethyst | chronossc: you're probably running python 2.5 |
| 04:44.20 | chronossc | is 2.6.5 |
| 04:44.44 | extor | Where are all the config filed for bind9 hiding in squeeze? I see no /var/named and I see no etc/named* or /etc/bind* or anything. So where are the zone files at? |
| 04:44.56 | chronossc | # python -V |
| 04:44.56 | chronossc | Python 2.6.5 |
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| 04:45.31 | \amethyst | but python -c 'import ssl' still doesn't work? |
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| 04:45.55 | \amethyst | from the same shell (just to make sure PATH is the same)? |
| 04:45.57 | chronossc | yeah |
| 04:46.30 | chronossc | http://dpaste.de/DM7D/ |
| 04:46.36 | \amethyst | did you adjust the /usr/bin/python symlink manually? |
| 04:46.47 | chronossc | what is this '_ssl' |
| 04:47.15 | \amethyst | chronossc: Oh |
| 04:47.16 | chronossc | hm I don't know if someone did it here |
| 04:47.22 | \amethyst | chronossc: this isn't even the debian version of python |
| 04:47.53 | chronossc | uh.. |
| 04:47.58 | hayleyw | chronossc, by which he means it isnt supported |
| 04:48.14 | chronossc | oh yeah dude, someone put 2.6 in local |
| 04:48.17 | hayleyw | chronossc, it's installed in /usr/local. debian packages dont install there |
| 04:48.19 | chronossc | hehe,s ry guys |
| 04:48.32 | \amethyst | chronossc: :) |
| 04:48.50 | \amethyst | chronossc: I was wondering what's going on, because /usr/bin/python is still 2.5 even in sid |
| 04:49.02 | \amethyst | chronossc: run it with /usr/bin/python2.6 if you want the Debian version :) |
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| 04:49.27 | chronossc | I don't have /usr/bin/python2.6 |
| 04:49.53 | \amethyst | what version of debian? |
| 04:49.59 | hayleyw | i wonder if you're even running debian :P |
| 04:50.00 | \amethyst | it's available in squeeze and sid |
| 04:50.10 | chronossc | lenny/sid in debian_version |
| 04:50.19 | \amethyst | chronossc: oh... that sounds old |
| 04:50.29 | chronossc | isn't my fault hehe |
| 04:50.42 | \amethyst | chronossc: like you're running an old lenny from before it was released |
| 04:50.53 | chronossc | yeah |
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| 04:51.31 | \amethyst | chronossc: well, either you get some python people to tell you what's wrong with the version that's installed in /usr/local, or you upgrade your machine to at least squeeze so you can install the python2.6 package |
| 04:51.38 | cybertek | hello, whenever I try to use /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start I get; LibClamAV Error: cli_loaddbdir(): Can't open directory /usr/var/lib/clamav , can anyone help? |
| 04:52.17 | chronossc | owner told to me that other developer can be removed module |
| 04:52.25 | chronossc | for some type of vengeance |
| 04:53.36 | hayleyw | wtf did you just say? |
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| 04:54.39 | fas3r | i have my dedicated server can i create my MX ? i mean mail.mydomain.com ? |
| 04:54.40 | \amethyst | chronossc: well, you can reinstall python in /usr/local |
| 04:55.05 | chronossc | yep, I'll do it |
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| 05:31.27 | Rapsodius | hi! is there some /proc variable to lower keyboard latency on X? |
| 05:32.43 | dondelelcaro | Rapsodius: no, it's part of xset |
| 05:32.51 | dondelelcaro | Rapsodius: if by latency you mean how fast things repeat |
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| 05:33.35 | Rapsodius | no I mean time between I write something and it appears on the screen |
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| 05:33.58 | dondelelcaro | Rapsodius: there's no setting to control that; it happens as fast as it can |
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| 05:34.30 | dondelelcaro | Rapsodius: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 05:35.12 | Rapsodius | executing a flash animation on exe using wine |
| 05:35.30 | shylent | what :O |
| 05:35.47 | dondelelcaro | good luck with that |
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| 05:36.34 | Rapsodius | luck? it executes perfectly, so bad it gets some annoying delay between key press and its response |
| 05:36.37 | _claytones_ | hello all... |
| 05:36.51 | _claytones_ | someone just make a debian mirror with ftpsync? |
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| 05:38.59 | dondelelcaro | _claytones_: yes, quite a few of us have... what's your question? |
| 05:40.23 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: yhank you. well, i have problems with the ssh connection |
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| 05:40.57 | dondelelcaro | _claytones_: you don't need ssh to use ftpsync |
| 05:41.28 | dondelelcaro | actually, let me rephrase that; you don't need ftpsync to run a basic mirror |
| 05:41.46 | dondelelcaro | unless your mirror is going to be a major one, you can just be a bit behind the other mirrors |
| 05:41.47 | Bop | !jidgo |
| 05:41.47 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 05:42.17 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: and a complete mirror, with packages and etc? |
| 05:42.23 | dondelelcaro | _claytones_: yes |
| 05:42.27 | _claytones_ | ok |
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| 05:42.42 | dondelelcaro | _claytones_: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror explains what to do |
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| 05:45.03 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: i'm setup the $TO and $RSYNC_HOST variables in the ftpsync.conf script |
| 05:45.22 | _claytones_ | the files and directories are ok |
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| 05:45.53 | _claytones_ | the error is: |
| 05:45.56 | _claytones_ | ssh: connect to host http port 22: Connection timed out |
| 05:45.57 | _claytones_ | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 05:45.57 | _claytones_ | rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(635) [receiver=3.0.3] |
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| 05:46.39 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: i'm just run: bin/ftpsync |
| 05:50.03 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: any suggestion? |
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| 05:52.14 | Rapsodius | dondeelcaro went where the caro is lol |
| 05:52.48 | _claytones_ | dondelelcaro: the mirror in the ftpsync.conf file is up and running |
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| 06:08.27 | brick | dpkg: package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) - sure, but shouldn't this install still be possible? |
| 06:08.28 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, brick |
| 06:09.14 | brick | dpkg, you should be more flexible |
| 06:09.15 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 06:12.20 | Macer | hm |
| 06:12.31 | Macer | anybody know a good console based front end for nget? |
| 06:12.43 | Macer | would be nice if there were an ncurses based one |
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| 06:14.02 | elik | My system crashed after the last power outage, breaking a hard drive. I copied my data over, but I cannot boot anymore. It freezes at "Filesystem is NOT clean" |
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| 06:15.03 | brick | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 ++ |
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| 06:17.47 | xispirito | i install selinux today, but when i setenforce 1, my x dies and my ethernet too... |
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| 06:31.17 | WormFood | are there any tools in squeeze to convert videos to flv? |
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| 06:34.31 | WormFood | hhhmmm....looks like ffmpeg will do it |
| 06:34.35 | WormFood | investigates |
| 06:34.45 | dserban | is squeeze frozen? |
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| 06:36.23 | dserban | If the answer is no, where can I go to find out why a package that was available more than 10 days ago not in testing? |
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| 06:50.59 | peeps | i tried to run a .configure script, and got the error: "configure: error: GL is required" there are a ton of packages with "gl" in the name, any ideas which one I might need? |
| 06:51.20 | the-dude | peeps: what software are you building? |
| 06:51.46 | peeps | the-dude, http://gravit.slowchop.com/ |
| 06:52.01 | the-dude | dserban: no and check http://packages.qa.debian.org/ |
| 06:52.21 | dserban | the-dude, thanks |
| 06:53.26 | the-dude | peeps: README says OpenGL |
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| 06:56.09 | Freyr | hi here |
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| 06:56.34 | Freyr | i was performing an apt-get update on a debian box |
| 06:57.10 | Freyr | *apt-get upgrade |
| 06:57.56 | Freyr | and not all the packages were upgraded |
| 06:58.13 | peeps | the-dude, right, that's what i figured it meant, but which package would that be? |
| 06:58.21 | Freyr | The following packages have been kept back |
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| 06:59.42 | Freyr | and i need to upgrade some packages such as clamav, amavis |
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| 07:05.51 | the-dude | Freyr: if you really want to try aptitude install $packagename |
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| 07:06.15 | the-dude | peeps: libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 07:09.54 | fonseg | hi, i used "aptitude build-dep xxx" to get the pkgs neccessary for rebuilding xxx. now that the process is done, what command can i issue to remove pkgs needed for rebuilding before? |
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| 07:26.50 | Freyr | the-dude: i';; try that |
| 07:26.57 | Freyr | *i'll |
| 07:27.00 | Freyr | thanks |
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| 08:41.16 | bugger | hi all - i'm being driven to frustration by make-kpkg - i've got a problem where it's saying the versoin in includes/linux/version.h does not match 2.6.33.2 |
| 08:41.19 | bugger | any suggestions? |
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| 08:42.27 | bugger | UTS Release version is what it's complaining about |
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| 08:53.11 | K0JIbKA | :-D |
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| 08:55.12 | K0JIbKA | any known GUI for 'ffmpeg'? |
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| 08:55.42 | kdasdasf | hi how to turn off ,,Last login: Fri Apr 16 04:23:28 2010 from dslb-x-y-z-a.pools.arcor-ip.net'' |
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| 08:56.20 | petemc | kdasdasf: PrintLastLog in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:57.35 | kdasdasf | petemc, but then it's just not printed but i also want it to not being logged. i already said ,,LogLevel QUIET'' but it still appears :-( |
| 08:58.09 | petemc | oh, i dont know, ive never had any reason to want to do such a thing |
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| 08:58.39 | kdasdasf | petemc, ok thx nevertheless :-) |
| 08:58.53 | petemc | np |
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| 09:03.01 | Kuifje111 | hello. is it possible to get into #debian-arm? |
| 09:03.40 | azeem | Kuifje111: it's probably on irc.debian.org |
| 09:03.47 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks. |
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| 09:08.42 | th0mz | hi |
| 09:08.50 | th0mz | any problem with etch and libtommath please ? |
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| 09:08.53 | th0mz | (clamav update) |
| 09:10.16 | themill | th0mz: which clamav update for etch? |
| 09:11.08 | th0mz | themill: cant upgrade to 0.95 in Etch |
| 09:11.25 | th0mz | themill: last database updated via freshclam failed to load (malformed) |
| 09:11.56 | th0mz | themill: i've seen the trouble on all dedicated server i mamange this morning. (etch only) |
| 09:12.13 | th0mz | themill: clamav can't update : Depends: libtommath0 but it is not installable |
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| 09:13.34 | themill | th0mz: etch is past its use-by date... but that package only exists on debian-multimedia.org so shouldn't be required by anything in debian |
| 09:13.55 | th0mz | it is by clamav-freshclam: |
| 09:14.02 | petemc | th0mz: the clamav developers released an update that disables all installs older than 0.95 |
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| 09:16.03 | th0mz | what should i do then to make clam work again ? |
| 09:16.16 | petemc | update it to a version > 0.95 |
| 09:16.38 | iceroot | th0mz: from what repo you are trying to update? |
| 09:16.58 | iceroot | petemc: > 0.94 |
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| 09:17.30 | petemc | >= 0.95 then |
| 09:17.43 | themill | ,versions clamav |
| 09:17.44 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-1 |
| 09:18.14 | iceroot | th0mz: for clamav i would always use volatile |
| 09:18.14 | themill | th0mz: ^^ volatile has it (/msg dpkg volatile) but ultimately, you should be upgrading to lenny RSN |
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| 09:18.31 | iceroot | th0mz: yes, remeber that etch is out of updates |
| 09:19.26 | th0mz | iceroot: clamav update failed: Depends: libtommath0 but it is not installable |
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| 09:19.43 | th0mz | why do i have a depend with this if it is not part as Debian.org |
| 09:20.00 | iceroot | th0mz: from what repo you are trying to update? |
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| 09:20.33 | th0mz | iceroot: ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 09:20.35 | th0mz | etc... |
| 09:20.43 | th0mz | main, volatile |
| 09:22.17 | th0mz | http://pastebin.com/bPLC3k2c |
| 09:24.20 | xyz- | sudo -i |
| 09:24.24 | xyz- | rm -rf /* |
| 09:24.27 | xyz- | = all problems solved |
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| 09:24.56 | iceroot | xyz-: on debian there is no sudo by default :-) |
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| 09:25.35 | diazepam | hi all -- a generalised question - i would like to write a script that where server A connects to Server B via ssh then issues commands such as stop mysql, rsync and so on. Does anyone know if this is possiblle |
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| 09:26.24 | petemc | diazepam: ssh host "command" works |
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| 09:27.26 | Ballistic | hey guys |
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| 09:27.35 | Ballistic | ive added a debian 64bit vm today |
| 09:27.38 | Ballistic | and i installed snmpd |
| 09:27.49 | Ballistic | and configured it |
| 09:27.52 | diazepam | petemc - thanks - yeah i tried that, however it only seems to work on one line, what if you want to execute a script via a ssh connection |
| 09:28.00 | Ballistic | but somehow, i am not able to connect to it |
| 09:28.22 | Ballistic | i used the exact same config as a older debian version i have already running and working fine |
| 09:28.36 | Ballistic | the config is the same |
| 09:28.39 | Ballistic | but still unable to connect |
| 09:28.52 | Ballistic | i dont have a firewall running |
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| 09:30.12 | petemc | diazepam: i guess have the script written on the remote machine and just execute it, there are perhaps other, better ways |
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| 09:31.37 | Ballistic | only difference i see sofar is |
| 09:31.41 | Ballistic | udp 0 0 localhost:snmp |
| 09:31.50 | Ballistic | while on the working server its udp 0 0 *:snmp |
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| 09:33.30 | Ballistic | ah nice |
| 09:33.39 | Ballistic | had to change the listing IP in a way different config file :P |
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| 09:34.45 | kombi_ | clamav < 0.95 was disabled yesterday, etch updates to 0.90, causing our mailserver to stall... |
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| 09:36.38 | DASPRiD | you mean downgrade? |
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| 09:39.06 | iceroot | kombi_: etch volatile or lenny |
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| 09:39.30 | kombi_ | iceroot: doing it now, thanks iceroot |
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| 09:49.27 | nextgens | hi |
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| 09:51.43 | jelly | ,versions clamav-daemon |
| 09:51.44 | judd | clamav-daemon -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-1 |
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| 10:01.49 | ribasushi | hi |
| 10:02.03 | ribasushi | after upgrading the kernel to latest unstable 2.6.32 I get this: http://pastebin.com/BAKS4Sqr |
| 10:02.08 | ribasushi | at boot time |
| 10:02.16 | ribasushi | everything works but it is extremely annoying |
| 10:02.20 | ribasushi | ideas where do I control this from? |
| 10:05.31 | bugger | i've got a problem with make-kpkg - i keep getting "The UTS release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match the current version "2.6.33.2" |
| 10:05.40 | bugger | and it exits with an error |
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| 10:05.48 | jelly | ribasushi: this looks like an module-init-tools bug |
| 10:05.49 | bugger | i did a make-kpkg clean before hand |
| 10:05.52 | bugger | any suggestions? |
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| 10:06.13 | ribasushi | jelly: true I upgraded this too... |
| 10:06.17 | ribasushi | checks bugreports |
| 10:06.18 | jelly | ribasushi: if there isn't one in bts already, please file it instead of me |
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| 10:07.36 | ribasushi | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574584#27 |
| 10:07.39 | ribasushi | dated yesterday :D |
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| 10:10.38 | jelly | nice |
| 10:10.50 | jelly | ,versions module-init-tools |
| 10:10.51 | judd | module-init-tools -- etch: 3.3-pre4-2; lenny: 3.4-1; squeeze: 3.12~pre2-2; sid: 3.12~pre2-3 |
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| 10:15.18 | ribasushi | jelly: and indeed the sid one is fixeds |
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| 10:15.40 | jelly | not on my mirror |
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| 10:15.54 | jelly | yet |
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| 10:37.01 | zepolen | i ran du on a directory with about 6 million files, and after it finished, htop says memory usage is currently at 30% (it was about 3% before running du) |
| 10:37.17 | zepolen | how can i reclaim that? |
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| 10:38.54 | themill | !free ram |
| 10:38.54 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 10:39.03 | chellomere | zepolen, this is very likely cached directory entries. this is normal operation, and you don't need to 'fix it', memory used for caching files will be reused for other purposes when needed |
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| 10:41.11 | zepolen | no its used ram |
| 10:41.18 | zepolen | no cached ram |
| 10:41.40 | zepolen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.40 | zepolen | Mem: 8194004 8143884 50120 0 692380 4907884 |
| 10:42.14 | zepolen | about ~3gb for the past five hours have not been reclaimed |
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| 10:42.43 | nsadmin | where do you expect it to go when reclaimed? |
| 10:43.07 | zepolen | into cached i would think |
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| 10:44.10 | mkad | Hi |
| 10:44.16 | mkad | how to enable plymouth ? |
| 10:44.38 | mkad | when I boot log says that /dev or /.dev could not be mounted |
| 10:44.47 | mkad | and then that plymouth could not be found |
| 10:45.08 | simonrvn | try /join #ubuntu |
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| 10:46.17 | zepolen | anyway, so there is no way to reclaim that ram back instantly? because performance is currently suffering as a result |
| 10:46.41 | nsadmin | are you swapping? |
| 10:46.52 | zepolen | no |
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| 10:47.39 | themill | zepolen: in what way is performance suffering? |
| 10:48.51 | zepolen | nginx is reading a bunch of small 4kb files (thumbnails) off disk and serving them, response time has increased considerably |
| 10:49.16 | zepolen | previously memory usage was 3% and the rest was cached |
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| 10:50.58 | zepolen | when du ran - it seemed to use up 3gb of active mem to do it's job, and now it's just hanging there |
| 10:53.45 | karme | zepolen: and top (using M) or pidstat -r doesn't list a process using that memory? |
| 10:54.00 | zepolen | nope |
| 10:55.04 | zepolen | pidstat -r shows maybe 20 processes, all of which are using <0.1% mem |
| 10:55.41 | karme | zepolen: please paste the complete free output |
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| 10:57.08 | zepolen | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/202512/ |
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| 10:58.48 | karme | zepolen: reread the line "-/+ buffers/cache:" |
| 10:59.25 | simonrvn | dude, really. |
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| 11:00.18 | simonrvn | 5 GB *free*. and nothing in swap. 'nough said. |
| 11:00.52 | zepolen | so 3gb is not free? |
| 11:01.05 | zepolen | ~2.5gb i mean |
| 11:01.30 | simonrvn | read that carefully. |
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| 11:01.49 | themill | and what dpkg said 25 minutes ago |
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| 11:03.23 | zepolen | 2.5gb of the memory is used |
| 11:03.33 | zepolen | is what i gather |
| 11:03.58 | zepolen | 5.5gb is 'available' |
| 11:04.29 | themill | and with that much memory available, I can't see how freeing some more in any way improve performance |
| 11:04.32 | nsadmin | so what accounts for the performance degridation |
| 11:04.44 | zepolen | one question: what is *using* the 2.5gb ? |
| 11:05.04 | karme | +1 for what themill said |
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| 11:05.57 | zepolen | the degradation occurs because all that free memory is cached memory - and many requests to the server ask for files that are not within the cached memory, so the disk is hit |
| 11:06.15 | karme | zepolen: try the same request twice |
| 11:06.21 | zepolen | it works fast |
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| 11:06.40 | nsadmin | that should make it faster |
| 11:06.41 | zepolen | but a majority of requests are not for the same files |
| 11:06.46 | karme | what happended: you used mem => some stuff was removed from the cache |
| 11:06.51 | nsadmin | wait, I see what's happening now |
| 11:07.14 | karme | => cache must be repopulated => it will be fast again |
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| 11:07.28 | nsadmin | so you were using this thing (nginx is it?) |
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| 11:07.42 | themill | zepolen: if the majority of requests aren't for files that would be cached anyway, then that's not going to change |
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| 11:08.21 | nsadmin | and nginx was pulling thumbnails I guess? is that right? anyway, it cached them |
| 11:08.32 | nsadmin | then you ran the du |
| 11:08.40 | zepolen | not immediately no, but it seems like this free mem is not being released at all |
| 11:08.58 | karme | zepolen: you do read what others write? |
| 11:09.00 | nsadmin | which asked the os for ram for each file/dir it visited |
| 11:09.25 | nsadmin | some of the nginx stuff got kicked out (after all, cache is temporary) |
| 11:09.52 | nsadmin | then you go to using nginx and you notice it's slower because it had to reread some of the stuff |
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| 11:12.00 | themill | dpkg: tell grharry about root |
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| 11:12.49 | Slv | sal |
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| 11:14.57 | zepolen | karme: i do, but since nothing is actively using that memory - shouldn't it be reported in 'cached'? |
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| 11:17.10 | karme | zepolen: i wouldn't care - but maybe also take a look at vmstat output, or ipcs or ... |
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| 11:20.38 | silas | Good morning all. |
| 11:21.14 | silas | Q: Is pressed the most useful method for automated Debian installation from a CD (not networked)? |
| 11:21.25 | silas | s/useful/used/ |
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| 11:22.14 | et | and preseed ;) |
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| 11:22.44 | silas | et: Oh, a typo there, sorry. Yeah, preseed :-) |
| 11:23.37 | zepolen | karme: so its a bug, unused memory is being reported as used - thats all you had to say, thanks |
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| 11:25.09 | omes | does anybody know of a program to initiate a call on your cell from your pc via bluetooth? |
| 11:25.45 | nextgens | minicom |
| 11:26.15 | the-dude | preseed+++ |
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| 11:26.38 | karme | ???? |
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| 11:26.59 | omes | nextgens: lol |
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| 11:27.37 | omes | nextgens: oh, you where serious? |
| 11:27.43 | omes | the picture in wikipedia threw me off... |
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| 11:28.29 | karme | zepolen just didn't get it ...? |
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| 11:29.43 | nextgens | has communication problems with the bug tracker |
| 11:30.01 | nextgens | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574935 |
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| 11:30.44 | nextgens | I've sent "notfound #574935 iscsitarget/0.4.17+svn229-1.4\nthanks\n" to control@debian.org |
| 11:31.14 | nextgens | and I got a stupid reply saying "Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #574935 to the same values previously set" |
| 11:31.34 | nextgens | as far as I can see on the web-interface, it belives the bug is affecting all versions |
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| 11:31.44 | nextgens | whereas it affects only stable |
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| 11:32.09 | nextgens | any hint on what I'm doing wrong? |
| 11:32.13 | aburch | nextgens: You want "fixed". "notfound" is used to remove a wrong "found". |
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| 11:32.16 | HaCeRu | [root@MRT_Openfiler ~]# cat /etc/issue |
| 11:32.25 | HaCeRu | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 11:32.25 | HaCeRu | | Commercial Support: http://www.openfiler.com/support/ | |
| 11:32.25 | HaCeRu | | Administrator Guide: http://www.openfiler.com/buy/administrator-guide | |
| 11:32.26 | HaCeRu | | Community Support: http://www.openfiler.com/community/forums/ | |
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| 11:32.39 | HaCeRu | ce am prins io acia baieti :) |
| 11:32.39 | HaCeRu | ? |
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| 11:32.41 | nextgens | aburch: but the fix isn't mine: upstream fixed it but didn't flag it as a security bug |
| 11:33.14 | nextgens | okay, let's try fixed :) |
| 11:33.33 | nsadmin | !it |
| 11:33.33 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:37.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | why is d4x out of Testing/Unstable? :S |
| 11:37.42 | nsadmin | , versions d4x |
| 11:37.43 | judd | d4x -- etch: 2.5.7.1-4; lenny: 2.5.7.1-5 |
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| 11:38.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes i know that its available on oldstable and stable. but not there for testing/ unstable :( |
| 11:38.40 | nsadmin | why is that relevent? |
| 11:38.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << using unstable |
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| 11:39.40 | nsadmin | if you're running unstable, you're expected to be able to do things for yourself... like read code, find problems, fix them, report the problems/fixes, etc |
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| 11:40.07 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is built it yourself, another is port it from lenny |
| 11:40.28 | nsadmin | which is just a specific form of the first thing |
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| 11:41.26 | wols_ | !why is d4x not in testing |
| 11:41.27 | dpkg | d4x is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=d4x |
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| 11:41.49 | Rockj | Anyone else got broken clamav in debian lenny after it seems the clamav antivirus def. wont run on current version in debian? |
| 11:42.03 | nextgens | aburch: thanks, fixed was indeed what I was looking for :) |
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| 11:42.33 | nsadmin | wols_, so we see the reason given is inaccurate |
| 11:43.02 | wols_ | nsadmin: inaccurate how? |
| 11:43.16 | Rockj | bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578037 |
| 11:43.33 | Rockj | do we simply have to disable clamav or ? |
| 11:43.52 | nsadmin | it's available in lenny |
| 11:43.55 | Rockj | will debian get a newer version of clamav or? |
| 11:44.05 | nsadmin | so to say it's unavailable in debian is not accurate |
| 11:44.10 | wols_ | Rockj: supposedly volatile should cover this |
| 11:44.21 | Rockj | hm, I should defently check volatile |
| 11:44.35 | wols_ | nsadmin: if you had actually read the link dpkg showed, you'd know |
| 11:44.50 | Rockj | I just received a call from some old guys I teched servers from before that got rather confused why stuff wasnt working today :p |
| 11:44.58 | nsadmin | but I'm trying to find the actual removal message from the maint |
| 11:45.05 | Rockj | (oh crasp, need to write proper sentences) |
| 11:45.14 | Rockj | s/crasp/grasp/g |
| 11:45.15 | wols_ | nsadmin: then finally follow the link |
| 11:45.28 | nsadmin | did that |
| 11:45.32 | wols_ | and? |
| 11:45.40 | nsadmin | havent' found it yet :) |
| 11:46.00 | nsadmin | looking at the full bug log now |
| 11:46.36 | Rockj | nsadmin: and it is actually unavailable, since the version in stable isn't working due to clamav's antivirus def. update disables the old clamav version that debian lenny has in it's repo. |
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| 11:46.47 | Rockj | but checking volatile, might fix it |
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| 11:46.57 | grharry | ?? |
| 11:47.08 | nsadmin | oic, it's actually non-free |
| 11:48.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Do we really need an antivirus for Linux like clamav ? :S |
| 11:48.44 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the clamav programmers think so |
| 11:49.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am using linux side by side of doors and WINDOWS since 5 years. never got infected |
| 11:49.10 | iceroot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: only if you are scanning mails for windows or samba-content for windows |
| 11:49.22 | iceroot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: for linux itself you dont need it |
| 11:49.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yup |
| 11:50.21 | grharry | having problems with debian-etch amd64 dansguardian and clamav from volatile .... dansguardian is compiled against libclamav4 and its broken with the new databases from clamav .... Building dansG from source breaks with a libtommath-dev which is not installable ... anybody ?? |
| 11:50.51 | iceroot | grharry: why not using lenny? etch is out of updates |
| 11:50.58 | karme | !etch |
| 11:50.58 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 11:51.23 | Rockj | anyway, using volatile fixed the issues with clamav for me at least. Thanks |
| 11:51.25 | grharry | Sure need a quick fix ... the server is miles away ... !!! |
| 11:51.40 | iceroot | grharry: ssh dont care about miles |
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| 11:51.51 | nsadmin | we do too!! |
| 11:51.57 | nsadmin | miles davis was great! |
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| 11:52.29 | grharry | upgrade from ssh etch-> lenny !!!! That is another issue ... |
| 11:52.49 | iceroot | grharry: why? |
| 11:52.50 | Rockj | grharry: you could remove clamav-checking for now, but I would defently upgrade to lenny asap. |
| 11:53.00 | Rockj | iceroot: why? you never do a dist-upgrade over ssh on production servers |
| 11:53.08 | iceroot | Rockj: sure, with ssh |
| 11:53.13 | iceroot | and screen |
| 11:53.18 | Rockj | not when you have to travel several hours maybe if things screws up |
| 11:53.25 | nsadmin | since this is a production server, you don't just go upgrading it |
| 11:53.45 | iceroot | nsadmin: but a production server without security-updates is also bad |
| 11:53.59 | Rockj | every sysadmin knows this. Anyway grharry, I would disable clamav and schedule a ASAP upgrade to lenny. |
| 11:54.02 | grharry | I need the libtommath-dev source or .deb ... from etch-amd64 ... |
| 11:54.29 | nsadmin | probably you can build that lib as a package and install it |
| 11:54.33 | grharry | thanks RockJ that is my current status |
| 11:55.09 | grharry | nsadmin: no ./debian rules dir in the source package ... |
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| 11:55.37 | nsadmin | it can't exist in debian without that. how did you get it? |
| 11:55.48 | grharry | sourceforge |
| 11:55.53 | qwd | Has anyone else had trouble with reportbug in Sid? I've tried reporting a bug in revelation twice but nothing seems to happen. |
| 11:56.04 | nsadmin | so, not debian mirrors... that;'s why |
| 11:56.13 | grharry | yep ! |
| 11:56.17 | nsadmin | do you have an etch box at home? |
| 11:56.21 | grharry | yep |
| 11:56.35 | nsadmin | so, try apt-get source libtommath |
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| 11:58.10 | grharry | Did apt-get source and -t volatile + -t backports ... E: Unable to find a source package for libtommath |
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| 11:59.04 | nsadmin | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libtommath-dev |
| 11:59.32 | qwd | Here's my .reportbugrc , it used to work. I tried uncommenting smtphost near the bottom but that didn't make any difference http://pastebin.com/4SRJFWN6 |
| 11:59.40 | nsadmin | look on the right approx 30% down and you'll see the three files which together are the source package |
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| 11:59.50 | grharry | thanks ... this is lenny ... will it work on etch ?? |
| 11:59.58 | DrusT | hi |
| 12:00.04 | nsadmin | you'll have to try it and see |
| 12:00.16 | nsadmin | but that's the one you want, right? |
| 12:00.20 | grharry | I doubt it !!! Thanks though .. |
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| 12:00.53 | DrusT | i have a boot issue on debian unstable booting : it stop booting avec starting binfmt-support |
| 12:01.03 | nsadmin | you'll never know until and unless you try |
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| 12:02.25 | DrusT | I tried adding exit 0 to skip binfmt-support, but stil blocked on boot |
| 12:03.18 | wols_ | add exit 0 where? |
| 12:03.31 | DrusT | at the beginning of /etc/init.d/binfmt-support |
| 12:03.32 | wols_ | why not just remove it from the runlevel? |
| 12:03.53 | DrusT | well it's the same |
| 12:03.56 | wols_ | and if it didn't help, then obviously the script is not the culprit |
| 12:04.03 | DrusT | anyway it did'nt helped, so i removed it |
| 12:04.05 | nsadmin | so it still doesn't work? if so it's not binfmt |
| 12:04.33 | wols_ | so now that you removed it, where does it stop now? |
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| 12:05.14 | DrusT | it stop avec Checking battery... done |
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| 12:05.28 | DrusT | and without skipping binfmt |
| 12:06.01 | grharry | libtommath-dev from lenny has a libc6 issue on etch ... !! :-( |
| 12:06.01 | MikeH_ | Hi, I'm looking at http://openwallet.de/?p=275 to solve an issue with clamav, but it looks like it'll install anything I have that exists in volatile, is there anyway to only select the clamav package from it? |
| 12:06.03 | DrusT | checking battery is penultimate |
| 12:06.23 | wols_ | grharry: you are not supposed to install it but create a backport |
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| 12:06.33 | wols_ | grharry: but then, you really need to upgrade to lenny anyways |
| 12:06.56 | wols_ | MikeH_: just install clamav |
| 12:07.10 | grharry | I am dowloading source to compile on etch ... |
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| 12:07.36 | DrusT | so i guess it's something avec binfmt, but this is the last line displayed |
| 12:08.04 | MikeH_ | wols_: what happens when I next dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:09.27 | wols_ | MikeH_: nothing since you removed the volatile repo from your sources.list |
| 12:09.42 | wols_ | alternatively you can set package(s) on hold |
| 12:10.11 | wols_ | DrusT: since it happens still without binfmt how can it be the problem. logical thinking much? |
| 12:10.31 | wols_ | DrusT: maybe start thinking "what comes AFTER binfmt?" |
| 12:10.53 | DrusT | yes, i'm using recovery now to look at logs |
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| 12:11.38 | wols_ | you should look at your sysv init instead |
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| 12:13.03 | DrusT | wols_, okay |
| 12:13.08 | MikeH_ | wols_: what about the apt-get upgrade? |
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| 12:16.57 | grharry | wow building libtommath is a killer |
| 12:17.16 | MikeH_ | hrm |
| 12:17.32 | MikeH_ | So I've installed 0.95 from volatile, it is there, but I'm still getting the error |
| 12:17.38 | MikeH_ | anyone else sorted the problem? |
| 12:18.13 | _Dave123_ | I am on a network at office, this network cannot have any ports opened in the router firewall. I have setup a reverse shell tunnel from internal Virtual Machine 192.168.1.25 (public ip 64.2.2.2), to myshelldomain.com, this means I can access 64.2.2.2 (specifically, internal ip 192.168.1.25) when connecting to localhost when i am logged in on myshelldomain.com - However, from internal IP 192.168.1.25 that I am accessing through the reverse shell, I would li |
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| 12:19.24 | _Dave123_ | I would like to be able to view a webpage on 192.168.1.251 - Any suggestions if this is doable ? source system i connect from is windows (i have permission for this btw) |
| 12:19.55 | petemc | _Dave123_: if 192.168.1.251 is running a webserver then that is certainly possible |
| 12:20.04 | _Dave123_ | it is , yes |
| 12:20.09 | _Dave123_ | and also realvnc, port 5900 |
| 12:20.20 | petemc | then what is your question? |
| 12:20.25 | _Dave123_ | how? :) |
| 12:20.33 | petemc | most people use a web browser |
| 12:20.42 | _Dave123_ | yes, but how from myshelldomain.com ? |
| 12:20.43 | wols_ | _Dave123_: portforwarding? |
| 12:20.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i guess he means .. if he can host it |
| 12:20.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | bingo |
| 12:20.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 12:21.09 | petemc | oh, i didnt notice the first part of the question |
| 12:21.10 | wols_ | _Dave123_: how is this a debian related question? is your router running debian? |
| 12:21.25 | _Dave123_ | linux :) dont know which distro |
| 12:21.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 12:21.42 | wols_ | _Dave123_: then make sure you know and come back later. have a nice day |
| 12:22.03 | _Dave123_ | wols_: bye (kiss) |
| 12:22.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | kiss? |
| 12:22.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 12:22.20 | _Dave123_ | haha j/k |
| 12:22.27 | _Dave123_ | ok enough MSN lang |
| 12:22.36 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you don't like grown men kissing in public? |
| 12:22.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << is as straight as a spiral |
| 12:22.59 | wols_ | _Dave123_: you ARE grown up, right? no pedo stuff, right? |
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| 12:24.11 | Ballistic | so |
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| 12:24.19 | Ballistic | as straight as a spiral |
| 12:24.25 | Ballistic | since is piral is not straight |
| 12:24.30 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I didn't ask your sexual orientation, just if you have anything against it |
| 12:24.30 | Ballistic | your very gay? |
| 12:24.37 | Ballistic | or am i getting this wrong? |
| 12:25.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_ : I am a believer of Free and Open Society |
| 12:25.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 12:25.12 | d3x | i have nothing against gay ppl |
| 12:25.24 | d3x | as long as they are not closer than 10ml away |
| 12:25.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmf40 |
| 12:25.44 | wols_ | it's nice how homophobes out themselves :) |
| 12:25.47 | d3x | s/ml/mi/ |
| 12:25.48 | wols_ | but enough OT chatter |
| 12:26.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | oftopic is allowed when the channel is not busy? than keeping it boring and idle ? |
| 12:26.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 12:27.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | btw how to enable the ctril+alt+backspase x restart? |
| 12:27.18 | pixil | That's not really a restart it's a kill. |
| 12:27.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pixil: how to enable that kill atleast? |
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| 12:28.46 | pixil | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38046 |
| 12:28.48 | sleon | hi |
| 12:28.52 | pixil | Hi. |
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| 12:29.08 | sleon | what is the name of a tool for manipulating/creating files in Debian changelog format? |
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| 12:29.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pixil: thanks |
| 12:30.35 | wm4 | can anybody make sense out of the package liblua5.1-0-dbg? when I try to load the .so contained in this package, I get a segfault, and when I try to execute the included executable programs, I get "bash: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/lua5.1: cannot execute binary file" (yes that file has the executable bit set) |
| 12:31.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb roomies |
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| 12:33.01 | qwd | reportbug doesn't seem to be working for me. I send a report but I never get an email and the report doesn't arrive. Here's my .reportbugrc , it used to work. I tried uncommenting smtphost near the bottom but that didn't make any difference http://pastebin.com/4SRJFWN6 |
| 12:33.44 | wols_ | qwd: what do your MTA logs say? |
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| 12:36.55 | qwd | wols_: how do I check? |
| 12:37.06 | androm | im thinking of uninstalling ubuntu and putting debian onto my laptop - how much work will i have to do apart from sound + graphics issues? i mainly use the laptop for dev: php, mysql, apache.... |
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| 12:37.52 | wols_ | qwd: you can't if it connects directly to a debian MTA |
| 12:38.16 | wols_ | androm: work for what? |
| 12:38.45 | androm | well, work that ubuntu already does |
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| 12:39.02 | androm | maybe driver-type stuff? |
| 12:39.16 | androm | umm |
| 12:39.17 | androm | maybe ubuntu makes the fonts look better and stuff |
| 12:39.27 | androm | or something... ya know |
| 12:39.43 | androm | i know its a general question |
| 12:40.06 | qwd | wols_: I'm guessing it does, I haven't done any changes |
| 12:41.10 | cahoot | androm: IME debian actually installs with less interfernce YMMV |
| 12:41.19 | simonrvn | androm: check your anti-aliasing settings. |
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| 12:41.32 | simonrvn | c'mon people, use your heads. |
| 12:41.41 | wols_ | simonrvn: you must be new here |
| 12:41.44 | cahoot | why? |
| 12:42.02 | simonrvn | wols_: you know i'm not ;). |
| 12:42.04 | wols_ | and my head is great for keeping the rain out btw. haven't found much other use for it yet. how about you? |
| 12:42.13 | wols_ | simonrvn: but you talk like you are |
| 12:42.16 | simonrvn | cahoot: mm? i have no issue with what you said. |
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| 12:42.38 | simonrvn | wols_: that's nice. |
| 12:43.19 | thrashold | Anyone experience no sound with KDE in sid, and know what the problem is, is there a workaround, and a link to a bug? |
| 12:43.45 | cahoot | thrashold: run speaker-test , reoprt outcome |
| 12:43.46 | simonrvn | i wasn't very clear. i very much doubt it's a distro issue, but a user setting issue. |
| 12:44.06 | thrashold | What's speaker-test? |
| 12:44.23 | cahoot | thrashold: a basic test for sound setup |
| 12:44.25 | thrashold | cahoot: That's not a KDE app, it doesn't use Phonon |
| 12:44.29 | simonrvn | something he asked you to run. does what it's name is. |
| 12:44.55 | cahoot | thrashold: it uses alsa without interveneng layers |
| 12:44.59 | cahoot | meh |
| 12:45.13 | wols_ | still expect people to use their heads :) |
| 12:45.14 | thrashold | I have sound in everything but KDE apps (Amarok, Dragon Player, etc.) |
| 12:45.24 | simonrvn | cahoot: see what i was getting at now? ;) |
| 12:45.33 | cahoot | indeed |
| 12:46.08 | cahoot | thrashold: ok you can skip speaker-test |
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| 12:49.36 | thrashold | It has something to do with the new phonon 4:4.6.0really4.4.0-2 |
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| 12:50.33 | simonrvn | so kill the thing and run it straight from alsa. |
| 12:51.22 | thrashold | simonrvn: KDE 4 apps can't do this :/ (Well, at least not Dragon Player, Amarok and Kaffeine) |
| 12:51.27 | sleon | i have problem with my pacakge |
| 12:51.35 | sleon | dh_gencontrol says that first block lacks a version field |
| 12:51.38 | sleon | wtf is that? |
| 12:51.45 | Ballistic | maybe you should go see a doctor then |
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| 12:51.55 | sleon | maybe |
| 12:52.01 | sleon | debian package build is like java |
| 12:52.02 | sleon | :D |
| 12:52.06 | sleon | overspecified |
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| 12:52.27 | simonrvn | it's worked for years, and still does. myabe you need to do more reading. |
| 12:52.48 | sleon | fuck |
| 12:52.53 | sleon | i hate reading |
| 12:53.00 | sleon | just tell me what i am doing wrong |
| 12:53.27 | sleon | i better read war and peace |
| 12:53.34 | sleon | or something on KI programming and not this crap |
| 12:53.51 | sleon | s/KI/AI/ |
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| 12:55.24 | nsadmin | it's what we got right now... either deal with it or not |
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| 12:58.42 | jelly | sleon: obviously, the first paragraph in your debian/control is missing a Version: line? |
| 12:59.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell sleon about nmg |
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| 13:00.17 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 13:00.41 | AlexC_ | I've got an issue where by aliases added via 'up ip addr add ...' in /etc/network/interfaces do not always get added when I do a '/etc/init.d/network restart' |
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| 13:02.40 | DrusT | <wols_> you should look at your sysv init instead |
| 13:02.45 | DrusT | it did, it helped, thanks |
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| 13:04.29 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:07.22 | smhar | a relative has a notebook with debian installed and then installed windows 7 that overwritten the boot sector. I downloaded System Rescure CD 1.5.1 to chroot to debian but got this error when trying chroot: hroot: failed to run command in ´/bin/zsh' : No such file or directory |
| 13:07.51 | wols_ | why not use a debian CD instead? |
| 13:08.20 | DrusT | smhar, try setting /bin/sh or /bin/bash as you shell in /etc/passwd |
| 13:08.33 | aburch | smhar: chroot /foo /bin/bash |
| 13:08.45 | DrusT | yes, better idea |
| 13:08.50 | smhar | wols_, which cd? you mean the install cd? |
| 13:08.56 | DrusT | gbye ! |
| 13:09.09 | aburch | smhar: Yes, the install CD also has a rescue mode. |
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| 13:09.33 | smhar | aburch, I tried chroot /foo /bin/ but got a similar error |
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| 13:10.14 | amee2k | hmmm is it normal that an MD raid1 recovers at 4MB/s? |
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| 13:10.43 | nsadmin | smhar show exact command line |
| 13:10.45 | amee2k | the system is running inside virtualbox on an X2 5600+ with the virtual disks residing on a hard-raid1 |
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| 13:11.19 | wols_ | amee2k: VM I/O performance is never stellar |
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| 13:11.35 | aburch | amee2k: RAID1-in-RAID1? |
| 13:11.41 | amee2k | well, yeah... but 4MB/s? |
| 13:11.55 | amee2k | i mean, even for virtual thats quite embarrassing |
| 13:12.16 | aburch | amee2k: Are both disks of the virtual machine on the same RAID 1 array of the host? |
| 13:12.28 | amee2k | yes |
| 13:12.36 | amee2k | i'm playing around with LVM and MD raid a bit. i'm considering it for a file server |
| 13:12.55 | smhar | aburch, I will try the debian cd |
| 13:12.55 | amee2k | but even the host system idles with nearly no IO |
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| 13:14.06 | amee2k | the activity led on the controller only shows a brief flash every couple seconds, and I/O wait time is like 2% |
| 13:14.55 | amee2k | that left me somewhat puzzled as to the cause of the stall |
| 13:15.49 | amee2k | could there be something i did wrong when setting up the MD array, and that causes this performance issue? |
| 13:15.54 | themill | smhar: is /foo right? Is the target installation's /-partition (*not* /boot) already mounted there? |
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| 13:16.35 | nsadmin | also "/bin/" for the command doesn't seem right either |
| 13:16.49 | nsadmin | which is why I said... |
| 13:16.52 | nsadmin | smhar show exact command line |
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| 13:19.23 | AlexC_ | I've got a weird issue whereby 'aliases' added in /etc/network/interfaces via 'up ip addr add ....' do not always get added when I do a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' - some do, but not all - what is going on? |
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| 15:17.10 | Dutchy | http://pastebin.com/acM3HPT3 |
| 15:17.47 | Dutchy | i also found this, is it related you think? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458213 |
| 15:18.44 | ido- | oh cool. it kinda worked |
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| 15:20.14 | dimir | Dutchy: so if you say 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 15:21.02 | Dutchy | dimir: still subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 15:29.21 | Dutchy | extracted the deb and gonna look at the preinst now |
| 15:29.31 | Dutchy | still need help if anyone has ideas |
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| 15:31.11 | scratchme | Anyone know about mixing disks for software raid? Example Intel SSD + regular SATA in RAID 1 or RAID 10. |
| 15:31.59 | jelly | scratchme: what would that accomplish? |
| 15:32.10 | wols | jelly: confuse everyone# |
| 15:32.35 | jelly | fallback if ssd dies? |
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| 15:33.12 | scratchme | jelly: basically, yes. |
| 15:33.17 | jelly | scratchme: you won't get many performance benefits of that ssd in such a setup |
| 15:33.34 | scratchme | jelly: Yeah, I'm trying to think of a way to do a cached fall back or something. |
| 15:33.46 | dimir | Dutchy: paste the preinst |
| 15:33.50 | scratchme | Maybe drbd would be a better fit for that or something. |
| 15:33.56 | jelly | scratchme: if you can live with downtime and loss of some data (15 minutes?), you could play with a split mirror |
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| 15:34.01 | dimir | Dutchy: or wait, I think I might have it. |
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| 15:34.39 | Dutchy | http://pastebin.com/90wRTMtS |
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| 15:34.58 | scratchme | jelly: do you have any reading to recommend on that subject? |
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| 15:35.21 | dimir | Dutchy: yep, pretty big one. |
| 15:35.35 | Dutchy | all "exit 1" lines have an echo before them, i'd think i'd say something then |
| 15:35.36 | jelly | scratchme: not really. I was thinking of something like: enable write-intent bitmap, keep the mirror split most of the time, join it up every 15 minutes just to sync it, then split it again |
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| 15:36.27 | \amethyst | Dutchy: set -e means that whenever a command fails, the script will exit |
| 15:36.35 | \amethyst | Dutchy: (the -e in the shbang line) |
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| 15:36.46 | ni1s_eee | Is there any package hplip package for a headless server? I really don't need all the qt libs... |
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| 15:36.51 | flo` | hi |
| 15:37.04 | flo` | i'd like to compile a program using the lua c library |
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| 15:37.13 | flo` | however, it always complains about a missing -llua |
| 15:37.13 | thrashold | jelly: wouldn't drbd achieve this? |
| 15:37.16 | \amethyst | Dutchy: try DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG=1 dpkg --configure <packagename> |
| 15:37.20 | flo` | which package do i need to make that work? |
| 15:37.35 | flo` | i already installed various *lua*-dev packages, but none made it work |
| 15:37.42 | Dutchy | \amethyst: i will |
| 15:37.44 | jelly | thrashold: I have no idea of how drbd works. |
| 15:37.49 | \amethyst | flo`: liblua5.1-0-dev |
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| 15:38.15 | Dutchy | \amethyst: mysql-server-5.0 is not installed so nit' |
| 15:38.18 | Dutchy | oops |
| 15:38.24 | flo` | \amethyst, is installed. however, does not work |
| 15:38.31 | Dutchy | it's not configuring |
| 15:38.47 | Dutchy | should i install with that variable instead? |
| 15:39.02 | flo` | \amethyst, do i need to execute any command or something? |
| 15:39.39 | ni1s_eee | apparenly Ubuntu has a hplip-cups package |
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| 15:40.51 | Dutchy | \amethyst: i tried dpkg -i with that instead, but im not sure where it went wrong... i'll try pasting the whole output |
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| 15:41.08 | randomuser | is invoke-rc.d the preferred way to start|stop|restart|status services in debian? |
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| 15:42.59 | Dutchy | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/pZZVTRFv |
| 15:43.08 | flo` | can anyone tell me what package i need to avoid a ld: cannot find -llua? |
| 15:43.54 | ni1s_eee | flo`, lua5.1 i assume |
| 15:44.46 | \amethyst | flo`: -llua5.1 |
| 15:44.55 | \amethyst | flo`: or whatever version of Lua you're using |
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| 15:47.09 | \amethyst | flo`: for 4.0 and 5.0 it's just -llua40 -llua50 but for 5.1 as packaged in debian it has changed to include the dot |
| 15:47.47 | \amethyst | flo`: you should really be using pkg-config (for 5.1) or lua-config/lua-config50 (for earlier versions) to find the library and include directories |
| 15:47.54 | flo` | yay,thank you |
| 15:47.56 | flo` | it works ;) |
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| 15:48.25 | flo` | and segfaults -_-. but this may be a program bug. at least it compiles now ;) |
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| 15:48.53 | dimir | Dutchy: how about you backup your databases, remove them and try to install it again? |
| 15:48.57 | \amethyst | flo`: it's possible you used headers from a different version of lua than the one you're linking against |
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| 15:49.16 | Dutchy | dimir: can i just copy over everything from /var/lib/mysql ? |
| 15:49.29 | dimir | ye |
| 15:49.36 | \amethyst | flo`: make sure when you compile you use the correct -I flag (pkg-config --cflags lua5.1 will give you the correct flag) |
| 15:49.55 | jelly | Dutchy: or merely rename /var/lib/mysql |
| 15:50.46 | Dutchy | alright, trying apt-get -f install again |
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| 15:51.10 | Dutchy | HOLY FUCK YES |
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| 15:51.37 | Dutchy | let's see what happens when i copy all of them over again |
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| 15:51.42 | dimir | heh |
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| 15:52.18 | Dutchy | anything i should watch out for when copying over databases? |
| 15:52.24 | dimir | no |
| 15:52.42 | dimir | well |
| 15:52.47 | dimir | ye, only the permissions. |
| 15:52.57 | dimir | hopefully you preserved them. |
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| 15:55.52 | flo` | the segfault was a bug. thanks for the help :D |
| 15:56.00 | flo` | cya |
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| 16:01.46 | krunk- | are there 3rd party repositories for ruby debs that are more current than the ones available fro debian? |
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| 16:04.33 | SerajewelKS | ,versions ruby |
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| 16:04.34 | judd | ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.4; squeeze: 4.4 |
| 16:04.43 | SerajewelKS | ,versions ruby1.8 |
| 16:04.46 | judd | ruby1.8 -- etch: 1.8.5-4etch4; etch-security: 1.8.5-4etch5; etch-backports: 1.8.7.72-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-security: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; squeeze: 1.8.7.249-2; sid: 1.8.7.249-3 |
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| 16:08.09 | krunk- | ,versions rubygems |
| 16:08.10 | judd | rubygems -- etch: 0.9.0-5; etch-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.0-3; lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.5-2; sid: 1.3.6-2 |
| 16:08.23 | krunk- | so I need "squeeze" ? |
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| 16:08.39 | krunk- | no lenny-backports |
| 16:08.40 | wols | krunk-: or use a backport |
| 16:08.49 | wols | !tell krunk- about backports |
| 16:08.55 | krunk- | I remember them |
| 16:08.56 | krunk- | :) |
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| 16:09.48 | Dutchy | dimir: the tables didnt import correct after copying back |
| 16:10.04 | Dutchy | as in, it finds the databases but there are 0 tables/records |
| 16:10.38 | Dutchy | mysql error 1017, data corruption |
| 16:11.02 | Dutchy | perhaps i should ask mysql guys what the best way to go is from here |
| 16:11.11 | Dutchy | worst case i have backups from this night |
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| 16:13.13 | krunk- | how reliable are backports? woudl it be a bad idea to un pin them? |
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| 16:14.33 | JordiGH | krunk-: They go through a lot less testing than main stable branch. |
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| 16:15.01 | krunk- | I leave em pinned then and cherry pick |
| 16:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions freeradius |
| 16:15.13 | judd | freeradius -- etch: 1.1.3-3; etch-backports: 2.0.4+dfsg-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.0.4+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.1.8+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.1.8+dfsg-1; squeeze: 2.1.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 16:15.25 | JordiGH | krunk-: I believe they're already pinned by default. |
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| 16:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an easy way to see the changelog for a backported package before installing it? |
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| 16:20.42 | themill | apt-listchanges |
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| 16:21.43 | Dutchy | nvm, fixed it, was the permissions after all |
| 16:22.26 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: aptitude changelog package/lenny-backports |
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| 16:23.20 | themill | JordiGH: E: debhelper/lenny-backports is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. |
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| 16:23.37 | JordiGH | Eh. |
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| 16:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Interesting, but doesn't work for samba (or as themill says, for backports in general). |
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| 16:26.20 | yang | I have audio problems, I plugged in a microphone, but I cannot record anything (no sound comes out) |
| 16:26.46 | Elshar | Hey, I want to somehow tell debian to use the latest untested packages, as I need to install apache 2.2.15, what would I look for? |
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| 16:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | Elshar: Some other solution to your problem, untested packages break. |
| 16:28.54 | lava | anyone have a sec to help me get java installed? i tried following some stuff from google but no luck =/ |
| 16:29.03 | themill | dpkg: tell lava about install java |
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| 16:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | Does freeradius work with samba's tdbsam? |
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| 16:30.45 | Elshar | jhutchins, I know. But this PCI compliance company is adamant that one of my customers use 2.2.15, and not 2.2.9 which is what's currently in the main repo. |
| 16:31.04 | Elshar | I guess I could just compile it myself, I'm not really a newbie when it comes to that stuff, just not much experience with debian systems. ;) |
| 16:31.10 | lava | wooth, thx themill |
| 16:31.14 | lava | woot* too |
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| 16:34.19 | jelly | Elshar: backport them yourself. Or make apache lie in the headers. ;-) |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | Elshar: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:35.33 | jelly | Elshar: some compliance people can be persuaded that your Debian package with all relevant bugs patched (/msg dpkg tracker of doom) are good enough |
| 16:35.47 | jelly | some though, just run their scripts and whine |
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| 16:36.03 | Elshar | That's what these guys are doing, really fustrating. |
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| 16:36.31 | jelly | you wouldn't be the first person to just fake openssl or apache or whatever versions |
| 16:36.47 | Elshar | Sort of like script monkeys that've been dropped on their heads "But it *says* it's bad..." |
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| 16:40.27 | lava | when trying to install java i get the following: http://paste.debian.net/69234/ |
| 16:40.31 | jelly | .versions perl |
| 16:40.34 | jelly | ,versions perl |
| 16:40.35 | judd | perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; squeeze: 5.10.1-11; sid: 5.10.1-12 |
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| 16:41.10 | jelly | Y NO PERL 5.12 IN DEBIAN YET FuX0RS!??!?!?!!!11 |
| 16:41.19 | jelly | sorry, "DEBAIN" |
| 16:41.32 | \amethyst | lava: try uninstalling mtop first |
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| 16:42.22 | \amethyst | lava: though actually it says "default-jre is already the newest version" |
| 16:43.12 | lava | oh |
| 16:43.12 | lava | cool |
| 16:43.16 | lava | guess it installed before it broke |
| 16:43.23 | lava | pretends theres no error msg |
| 16:43.30 | lava | thx =P |
| 16:43.34 | \amethyst | the breakage is because of a configuration problem with mtop |
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| 16:44.14 | \amethyst | it sounds like it doesn't know the mysql root password, or that it wants mysql configured to allow root to connect without a password |
| 16:44.16 | themill | lava: aptitude is telling you that you have 82 other updates waiting for you to install them. An "aptitude safe-upgrade" would be in order. |
| 16:44.49 | lava | oh, heh, yea, havent did that ...ever on this box i dont think =( |
| 16:44.55 | lava | thx |
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| 16:48.05 | olorin_ | jelly: You could try to behave. I would have kicked you at this point... |
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| 16:53.18 | jelly | olorin_: I usually behave. |
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| 16:54.10 | olorin_ | jelly: Ok. |
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| 16:56.44 | ugly | is it possible to use apache as a forwarding proxy through SSL? i.e. browse unencrypted sites over an SSL channel? |
| 16:57.20 | pixil | Create an ssh tunnel. |
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| 16:57.56 | ugly | pixil: the problem is I have to use port 443, and I need that port for regular HTTPS requests too |
| 16:58.05 | pixil | Bummer. |
| 16:58.26 | pixil | Apache will display non encrypted 'things' over ssl, sure |
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| 16:59.10 | pixil | I'm not really sure what you mean by SSL channel, though. |
| 16:59.31 | ugly | I want to force firefox, in this example, to use a proxy listening on port 443 |
| 16:59.32 | pixil | sites either have encrypted elements or they don't |
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| 16:59.45 | adaro | Yes |
| 17:00.05 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:00.09 | ugly | that is, it'll be communicating to apache with ssl, even though it may not necessarily be viewing an SSL encyprted page |
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| 17:00.43 | ugly | where, again, apache is the proxy server, not the webserver in the example (although it is also a webserver for something unrelated) |
| 17:00.45 | pixil | It wouldn't be communicating with ssl though, unless the elements being displayed are encrypted. |
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| 17:01.18 | ugly | you're right, but I'm referring to the communication solely between the end user and the proxy (apache) |
| 17:01.28 | shivraj | for some reason my wireless isnt connecting to my router which is right here and wants to connect to the one across the street |
| 17:01.31 | cheako | Hello, does any one know of a good example application... like ./configure that would be usable anywhere that would identify the current OS(Ubuntu/Debian is the big problem I have now, but RedHat Fedora CentOS SunOS AIX...) Release/version and arch(uname -m)? |
| 17:01.36 | pixil | Right, not encrypted so it'll just be standard http traffic. |
| 17:01.42 | ugly | I don't even care if it's encrypted or not, actually - I just want to be able to use a proxy on port 443 |
| 17:01.44 | shivraj | whats the iwconfig command for setting essid and connecting to it manually ? |
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| 17:02.09 | pixil | cheako: You need a script that can identify the distro? |
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| 17:02.43 | pixil | shivraj: There's a bunch of examples in the manpage for iwconfig(8) |
| 17:02.58 | pixil | ugly: Yup, I don't see why that wouldn't work. |
| 17:03.10 | simonrvn | lsb_release ... |
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| 17:03.25 | shivraj | pixil: ok thanks |
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| 17:03.45 | ugly | pixil: maybe firefox doesn't support it? when I make it use port 443 it complains that it's doing clear commun. to an encrypted port |
| 17:04.05 | ugly | there doesn't seem to be a way to specifcy whether a channel is SSL encrypted or not |
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| 17:05.08 | jelly | !tell cheako about version |
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| 17:07.20 | ugly | maybe I'll just use a reverse proxy since Ionly need to provide access to one particular site really |
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| 17:13.14 | TweakGames | are there any more up to date thin client apps (like rdesktop) that are maybe newer? That support 6.1 or 7 RDP? |
| 17:14.11 | smacnay | why would a file manager not show the contents of a user's home dir but 'ls' from command line does. |
| 17:14.13 | smacnay | ? |
| 17:14.35 | smacnay | is there a setting or switch that could get set for a fm to not see the contents of a dir? |
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| 17:17.41 | Rapsodius | Hello, how to convert a text file from windows encoding (utf-16) into linux encoding? |
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| 17:18.16 | JordiGH | What? |
| 17:18.27 | JordiGH | Linux doesn't do UTF-16? |
| 17:18.58 | Rapsodius | yes, but I want to convert a text file |
| 17:19.10 | blubberdiblub | you can use "iconv" or "recode" for doing that |
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| 17:19.55 | Rapsodius | blubberdiblub: thanks! |
| 17:20.02 | blubberdiblub | like that: "iconv -f utf-16 -t utf-8 < your_windows_text_file.txt > your_new_converted_textfile.txt" |
| 17:20.23 | JordiGH | Is utf-16 even mappable to utf-8? |
| 17:20.30 | blubberdiblub | of course |
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| 17:22.00 | blubberdiblub | utf-8 is defined to be able to represent all 32 bit unicode codepoints, and so is utf-16 |
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| 17:25.00 | JordiGH | Crap, a failed fsck on the root partition... again... |
| 17:25.10 | JordiGH | really should get around to doing backups. |
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| 17:27.06 | mortsmel | which mod to sysctl is it to share an IP |
| 17:27.18 | mortsmel | w/o using vrrp |
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| 17:28.39 | rootmos | i am trying to purge mediatomb-daemon and gets this error |
| 17:28.44 | rootmos | syntax error: unknown user 'mediatomb' in statoverride file |
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| 17:30.43 | Titan8990 | mortsmel: net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 17:30.58 | mortsmel | isn't that masquerading like |
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| 17:31.12 | mortsmel | talking sharing a physical IP address on two nodes |
| 17:31.19 | mortsmel | i don't recall that being the one |
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| 17:31.54 | Titan8990 | i misunderstood the question... you want two nodes to have the same IP address? how do you expect your network equipment to handle that? |
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| 17:32.56 | Titan8990 | rootmos: pastebin full ouput |
| 17:32.58 | SuperPuffy | runs over the Communist Jew progenitor of the Communist GPL, in an anarcho-syndicalist kind of way, license, Richard Stallman with a Panzer tank. After crushing his legs SuperPuffy then proceeds to throw him in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics. |
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| 17:34.31 | SuperPuffy | superpuffy runs over the Communist Jew progenitor of the Communist GPL, in an anarcho-syndicalist kind of way, license, Richard Stallman After crushing his legs SuperPuffy then proceeds to throw him in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics. |
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| 17:34.42 | Titan8990 | !ops SuperPuffy is a troll |
| 17:34.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: SuperPuffy is a troll |
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| 17:35.17 | Titan8990 | thanks azeem |
| 17:35.30 | mortsmel | titan, pm me your email address i'll send you an email waht i'm talking about ... i gotta jet in a couple of minutes |
| 17:35.36 | mortsmel | unless you intend on being online for awhile |
| 17:35.49 | Titan8990 | mortsmel: I haven't logged out of irc in months |
| 17:35.58 | mortsmel | lol |
| 17:36.11 | JordiGH | You know, rms *is* "jewish" of sorts. |
| 17:36.15 | Titan8990 | well, to restart client but w/e |
| 17:36.21 | paradoxmonkey | Is it possible to get another dhcp lease (ip) using nic alias (eg. eth:1)? |
| 17:36.24 | olorin_ | Joy, it must be Friday or something. The trolls are active. |
| 17:36.27 | Titan8990 | JordiGH: there is no reason to discuss it |
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| 17:36.54 | JordiGH | D: |
| 17:37.01 | JordiGH | Titan8990: ok fine |
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| 17:38.57 | blubberdiblub | paradoxmonkey, i guess that's only possible if your dhcp server doesn't mind giving out 2 ips to 2 equal mac adresses |
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| 17:40.06 | paradoxmonkey | blubberdiblub: I think it doesn't mind. I've tried and the dhcp server gave me another ip but I lost the connection to the default gateway |
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| 17:42.19 | blubberdiblub | paradoxmonkey, also, there must be some way that your 2 running dhcp clients can discern for which of the two aliases the answer returned from the server is. otherwise it won't work either |
| 17:42.38 | Titan8990 | traffic will only ever hit the box which is first to reply to the ARP |
| 17:42.56 | Titan8990 | unless you have a hub instead of a switch I suppose |
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| 17:44.27 | paradoxmonkey | My cable modem is connected directly to my debian router, I can get two ip addresses but as soon as I do that I lose the connection to the default gateway and the internet |
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| 17:45.19 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: your want DHCP on the WAN side and a static IP for the LAN |
| 17:45.49 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: dhclient is likely just overwritting your default route |
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| 17:46.04 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: That's what I have, but I also want to get two ip addresses from my isp |
| 17:46.32 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: your ISP offers multiple IPs and it is not static??? |
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| 17:46.50 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: yes |
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| 17:47.41 | solussd | does anyone know of a tomcat6.x backport package for Debian 4.0 (etch) ? |
| 17:48.06 | solussd | specifically a repo |
| 17:49.10 | JordiGH | For *etch*? |
| 17:49.16 | Titan8990 | etch is no longer supported, you should really consider upgrading |
| 17:49.16 | solussd | yes |
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| 17:49.20 | JordiGH | solussd: You're better off with !simple sid backport |
| 17:49.30 | JordiGH | !tell solussd about simple sid backport |
| 17:49.33 | Titan8990 | ,versions tomcat6 |
| 17:49.34 | judd | tomcat6 -- sid: 6.0.24-5; squeeze: 6.0.24-5 |
| 17:49.36 | solussd | .. I can't upgrade it, it is a VPS w/ dreamhost |
| 17:49.45 | JordiGH | solussd: Ah, dreamhost. :-/ |
| 17:49.51 | Titan8990 | solussd: ah, exactly why I didn't get dreamhost! |
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| 17:50.02 | JordiGH | solussd: They totally messed up my hg installation last time they updated |
| 17:50.14 | d1b | good morning |
| 17:50.17 | solussd | wonderful... |
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| 17:50.34 | sweb | I'm ubuntu user |
| 17:50.49 | JordiGH | sweb: And you're ready to step into the light of Debian? |
| 17:50.56 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: Is it unusual for isps to give out several ips using dhcp? |
| 17:51.12 | sweb | what's the major differents between of debian and ubuntu ? |
| 17:51.26 | Elshar | gnome? |
| 17:51.38 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: yes |
| 17:51.53 | dondelelcaro | sweb: lots, but #ubuntu would know |
| 17:51.54 | Elshar | Unless they are rfc1918 addresses. |
| 17:52.20 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: Does this mean it's impossible to get it working right in debian/linux? |
| 17:52.26 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: usually when you have DHCP from your ISP, you also have an AUP that does not allow you to host servies (atleast here in the u.s.), therefore, you would have no reason for multiple IPs |
| 17:52.44 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey: I am not singling out debian/linux |
| 17:54.12 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: it's certainly possible, you just have to change the client strings or possibly the mac address sent, and make some changes to the client script |
| 17:54.20 | Elshar | You could just statically assign two sequential IPs to the external interface and see what happens. |
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| 17:54.35 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: it's certainly something that isn't commonly done, though, so you'll most likely have to do the work yourself |
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| 17:55.01 | JordiGH | Titan8990: So debian/kfreebsd is fine too? |
| 17:55.11 | Titan8990 | !tell sweb about why debian |
| 17:55.20 | Elshar | I don't know what they're running for a dhcpd, but most would assume that since that particular MAC already has an IP, it'd just send off the original one again. |
| 17:55.27 | Titan8990 | JordiGH: for? |
| 17:55.44 | sweb | Titan8990, @}'- |
| 17:55.59 | sweb | I want know the major different with ubuntu |
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| 17:56.03 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: well the problem isn't that I don't get another ip, the main problem is that I lose connection the the default gateway as soon as I get the new ip |
| 17:56.09 | sweb | I here the wikipedia use ubuntu server |
| 17:56.10 | niklaswe | does someone know why xen-tools isn´t in squeeze repo? |
| 17:56.12 | sweb | !!! |
| 17:56.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:56.49 | paradoxmonkey | Elshar: I'm using udhcpc where I can modify the clientid |
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| 17:57.16 | shylent | !tell shylent why debian |
| 17:57.26 | shylent | bah |
| 17:57.29 | shylent | I was sooo curious |
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| 17:58.04 | Elshar | Well, I'd try just manually assigning the IPs. What you're wanting is, honestly, a pretty rare side-case that I haven't ever seen. |
| 17:58.04 | Titan8990 | shylent: I especially like this link in the fact: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 17:59.01 | Elshar | Most people wanting multiple public static IPs will want them on different devices. And if they want them on the same one, they're wanting them on different isps, and usually at that point arrange to have static ips put in place. |
| 17:59.04 | shylent | well, I know why it is debian *for me*, I was wondering what you put there :P |
| 17:59.28 | Elshar | ie, not assigned via dhcp in the last case. |
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| 18:00.03 | Elshar | So, just find the netmask for the two ips, and manually assign them to the ethx:x interfaces, and see what happens. If they're on the same subnet, they should be using the same gateway. |
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| 18:02.08 | paradoxmonkey | Elshar: I also tried that but I lost the conn to the gateway anyway |
| 18:02.35 | blubberdiblub | paradoxmonkey, check if your gateway is still set with "ip route" or "route" |
| 18:02.58 | paradoxmonkey | blubberdiblub: it is but I have no conn to it |
| 18:03.15 | blubberdiblub | ah, i see. sorry, then i don't have an idea |
| 18:03.27 | paradoxmonkey | blubberdiblub: maybe it's something wrong with my cable modem... |
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| 18:06.59 | Procule | is there a way to use 'dpkg' to look to the description of a the original file in the package ? like the modification date and the size ? 'dpkg -L' only lists the files |
| 18:07.56 | omry | how do I check what repository a specific package came from? |
| 18:08.23 | Procule | you should have that with 'dpkg -s' |
| 18:08.51 | blubberdiblub | Procule: tried "dpkg-deb -c your.deb"? |
| 18:09.11 | omry | Procule, not quite. |
| 18:09.31 | omry | well, at least not for that particular package (from the debian-multimedia repo) |
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| 18:09.57 | blubberdiblub | omry, try "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 18:10.11 | omry | blubberdiblub, been there tried that. |
| 18:10.19 | Procule | blubberdiblub, I will try |
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| 18:10.38 | blubberdiblub | omry, it shows you which one is installed with the three asterisks in front |
| 18:11.12 | Procule | yes that's it |
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| 18:11.19 | Procule | the file is the same :S |
| 18:11.45 | omry | blubberdiblub, I guess it's a weird package. I get repo info with apt-cache policy for other packages |
| 18:11.55 | omry | but not that one (libfaac-dev) |
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| 18:12.35 | Procule | I don't understand why I get OpenGL rendering OK with glxinfo but not with wine (it uses software rasterezer) |
| 18:12.36 | blubberdiblub | omry, well, then maybe there's no available repository for that particular package anymore. happens to packages that aptitude shows as obsolete |
| 18:13.34 | niklaswe | does someone know any good program instead of xen-tools for squeeze? |
| 18:13.44 | blubberdiblub | Procule, wine also has some advanced registry settings you may want to tweak. and in the config (winecfg) there's some option, too |
| 18:14.05 | PinkFreud | omry: Try www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 18:15.35 | Procule | blubberdiblub, glxinfo shows opengl 1.5 Mesa 7.6 and wine shows 2.1 Mesa 7.6. Could it be because that specific version of my driver doesn't support 2.1 so it falls back to software rendering ? |
| 18:16.28 | blubberdiblub | Procule, sorry, i don't know |
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| 18:16.41 | Procule | ok thanks I'll try in the wine channel |
| 18:17.51 | Procule | ah, winehd just released a new version a few minutes ago. maybe that will fix my problem :P |
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| 18:23.41 | kephu | Hi |
| 18:24.27 | kephu | I have a question: what's the best way to set up a user account that works like this: the user logs in, then a (interactive) python script kicks in, then as soon as the script terminates, the user is logged out? |
| 18:25.06 | Elshar | create an account, set the shell as the script |
| 18:25.10 | kephu | as in, the sole purpose of the account being the interaction of the user with the script; when that's done, the user isn't meant to do anything else and is supposed to kindly gtfo |
| 18:25.28 | kephu | Elshar, how do I do that exactly? This kind of thing I never needed to do |
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| 18:25.32 | kephu | until now, I mean |
| 18:25.35 | Elshar | user logs in, runs script as shell, when script terminates, connection ends. |
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| 18:26.12 | kephu | Elshar, could you walk me through it or point me to a link? |
| 18:26.12 | blubberdiblub | kephu: with the chsh command |
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| 18:26.35 | kephu | also, can it be ran as "python nameofscript.py"? |
| 18:26.41 | kephu | also still, what about the path? |
| 18:26.55 | kephu | especially if the script spans more than one file? |
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| 18:28.21 | Elshar | You might just google for custom shells. I did it with a perl script years ago |
| 18:28.27 | blubberdiblub | kephu, you can have the script start with "#! /usr/bin/python". then (and with appropriate permissions) you can just run the script by naming it directly |
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| 18:29.08 | SerajewelKS | kephu: and don't forget to put it in /etc/shells |
| 18:29.25 | zzz_ | Hello. I am using Sid. How would I set up apt so that it gets KDE related packages from experimental and others from unstable? I have tried a few "pin"s but I was either able to get everything from experimental or nothing. |
| 18:29.39 | kephu | blubberdiblub, what do I do about the other files? Will they be linked the right way? |
| 18:29.43 | SerajewelKS | kephu: or actually, don't... make sure you set the shell for that user from root though |
| 18:29.46 | kephu | also do I need to +x it? |
| 18:29.58 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 18:29.58 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 18:29.59 | SerajewelKS | kephu: yes, it needs +x. and what "other files?" |
| 18:30.13 | blubberdiblub | kephu, yes, you need +x on the file. i don't know about your other files since i don't know how they interact with your script |
| 18:30.54 | kephu | SerajewelKS, the script is comprised of two (goal is, three) files: assembly.py (which sorta aggregates them) and pygreen.py which has one of the necessary classes |
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| 18:31.18 | SerajewelKS | kephu: one imports the other? |
| 18:31.25 | kephu | SerajewelKS, exacttlyy |
| 18:31.39 | SerajewelKS | kephu: then you will have to read up on python's import semantics with respect to paths |
| 18:31.58 | SerajewelKS | kephu: if the scripts are in /foo/bar and you can run /foo/bar/assembly.py from /some/other/directory then it will work as a shell too |
| 18:32.02 | kephu | okay, that's something though |
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| 18:32.30 | SerajewelKS | kephu: i don't know enough about python to tell you if that will work. but if it works from a shell, it will also work as a shell. |
| 18:32.56 | zzz_ | Titan8990: I guess the same question applies to someone who would like to use testing KDE packages on stable. I think it is a general question regarding apt pinning, not specific to Sid. |
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| 18:32.59 | SerajewelKS | kephu: if worse comes to worse, make the shell a shell script that sets up the environment variables python needs and then invokes the shell |
| 18:33.10 | Titan8990 | !tell zzz_ about pinning |
| 18:33.15 | SerajewelKS | invokes the python shell script, that is |
| 18:34.03 | Titan8990 | zzz_: generally, backports and SSB is favored over pinning |
| 18:34.36 | Titan8990 | zzz_: I would consider this a "if you have to ask" question also |
| 18:34.55 | kephu | okay, what was the chmod for "everyone can execute this"? |
| 18:35.01 | kephu | I know, newbish question |
| 18:35.07 | jelly-home | kephu: +x |
| 18:35.19 | kephu | jelly-home, and this lets everyone do it? |
| 18:35.36 | karlpinc | kephu: That's what you asked for. |
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| 18:36.11 | jelly-home | kephu: "chmod +x foo" makes the file executable for owner user, owner group, and other, yes. |
| 18:36.12 | karlpinc | kephu: Assuming they can otherwise get to the executable via the containing directories. |
| 18:36.21 | jelly-home | !file permission |
| 18:36.22 | jelly-home | !file permissions |
| 18:36.35 | jelly-home | damn |
| 18:36.46 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 18:36.46 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 18:37.21 | KamusHadenes | nnhey there. to downgrade from sid to unstable, I just change the sources.list? |
| 18:37.21 | zzz_ | Titan8990: What does SSB stand for? dpkg tells me what it is, but not what the acronym stands for. |
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| 18:37.36 | dutchfish | jackyf thanks |
| 18:37.40 | nsadmin | maybe it should have been called file permissions... there are more kinds of permissions floating around |
| 18:37.55 | jelly-home | simple sid backport, zzz_. It's just shorthand specific to this channel |
| 18:37.56 | Titan8990 | zzz_: simple sid backport |
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| 18:41.16 | kephu | awesome, it's set up |
| 18:41.19 | kephu | thanks guys |
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| 18:42.29 | lamah | hi all |
| 18:42.33 | lamah | how can i use arping ? |
| 18:42.54 | lamah | i want to ping the mac |
| 18:42.57 | lamah | only that |
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| 18:47.41 | macrobat | KamusHadenes: it isn't that easy. i think you have to pin releases and it may not work anyway |
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| 18:50.51 | macrobat | !tell KamusHadenes about downgrade |
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| 18:52.03 | near | quick question |
| 18:52.13 | near | i installed my mother boards sound drivers and now i don-t have sound |
| 18:52.20 | SerajewelKS | KamusHadenes: sid *is* unstable. you can't downgrade to the same thing. |
| 18:52.24 | near | can i go back to the previous ones that came default with debian? |
| 18:52.44 | SerajewelKS | near: uninstall the ones you installed? |
| 18:53.01 | near | i think this uninstalled the ones of debian |
| 18:53.18 | SerajewelKS | near: you think, or you know? |
| 18:53.27 | near | it said so |
| 18:53.28 | near | the script |
| 18:53.36 | near | uninstalling old kernel drivers |
| 18:53.38 | near | or something of the sort |
| 18:53.40 | SerajewelKS | near: then uninstall them and reinstall your kernel |
| 18:53.47 | near | o damm |
| 18:53.53 | near | how can i do that? |
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| 18:54.09 | SerajewelKS | near: aptitude reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 18:55.06 | lamah | how can i use arping, i want to ping the mac address how work that what is a command? |
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| 18:56.28 | nsadmin | lamah: have you read man arping? |
| 18:56.46 | lamah | yes |
| 18:56.49 | lamah | i dont understand it |
| 18:56.54 | lamah | i have problems with english also |
| 18:57.03 | blubberdiblub | lamah, arping takes the ip address of the destination you want to ping with arps as argument. it doesn't take the mac address |
| 18:57.04 | nsadmin | which means you're asking for a tutor |
| 18:57.29 | near | now |
| 18:57.31 | near | if i restart |
| 18:57.33 | near | it should work? |
| 18:57.34 | Titan8990 | lamah: debian is translated in many languages. I assume that includes the manpage documentation |
| 18:57.39 | SerajewelKS | !tell near about enter |
| 18:57.56 | nsadmin | what is it you understand and don't understand |
| 18:57.59 | lamah | blubberdiblub: no see that from apt-get arping - sends IP and/or ARP pings (to the MAC address) |
| 18:58.01 | SerajewelKS | near: in theory, yes. you might also be able to remove the kernel modules and insert the reinstalled ones, but rebooting is the easiest way to do that. |
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| 18:58.17 | near | great |
| 18:58.19 | near | lets see |
| 18:58.23 | near | thanks for the help |
| 18:58.37 | blubberdiblub | lamah: yes, it does that, but you have to give the ip address of the destination on the command line |
| 18:58.40 | Nwallins | what's a good ftpd to run for very casual use? i.e. i don't have a choice of protocol -- it's an internal system, and it my serve 30 MB / day to a single client |
| 18:58.42 | nsadmin | lamah what is it you understand and don't understand |
| 18:58.52 | lamah | aaa |
| 18:59.07 | nsadmin | is not going to deal with "teach me everything" |
| 18:59.17 | lamah | blubberdiblub: i understand i need the IP |
| 18:59.25 | lamah | blubberdiblub: thank u |
| 18:59.29 | lamah | nsadmin: thank u |
| 18:59.30 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: we used vsftpd at my previous employer for internal and external stuff |
| 18:59.35 | blubberdiblub | lamah: you're welcome |
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| 18:59.51 | lamah | nsadmin: however |
| 18:59.58 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: ok, i have used vsftpd before -- seemed a bit heavyweight but totally reasonable |
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| 19:00.24 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: not sure what you mean by "heavyweight" |
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| 19:00.44 | lamah | blubberdiblub: can i see the ip with netdiscover? |
| 19:00.55 | lamah | i think no? |
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| 19:01.12 | nsadmin | why is it you don't know the IP? |
| 19:01.24 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: my ideal ftp server for this use case would be something like python's web share, just run an executable in the current dir and it will serve files |
| 19:01.44 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: ah. you're implying that python is lightweight. ;) |
| 19:01.48 | Nwallins | maybe pass in a user / pass that the client will authenticate |
| 19:01.50 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: i think you mean simple to set up |
| 19:02.02 | Nwallins | yes, and not necessarily putting files everywhere |
| 19:02.06 | Nwallins | e.g. /etc/ |
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| 19:02.16 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: vsftpd might take some command-line options, i don't really know |
| 19:02.37 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: i don't think it does the virtual users thing though, but it's been a while so i don't really know |
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| 19:02.50 | Nwallins | yes, i dont' want to have to set up a unix user for this client |
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| 19:03.17 | Nwallins | i mean, worse things have happened, but... ;) |
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| 19:05.44 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: yeah then i don't think vsftpd is for you. well, i mean it does have a pam service, so you could dick with that if you wanted. |
| 19:06.24 | Nwallins | just what I had in mind for a Friday... ;) /me runs down the street for a 6-pack |
| 19:06.35 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 19:06.38 | nsadmin | why ftp? |
| 19:06.43 | Nwallins | great question |
| 19:06.53 | Nwallins | i have wondered the same thing myself |
| 19:07.01 | Nwallins | the great god of Legacy, I suppose |
| 19:07.01 | jhutchins_lt | Very strange. the use_mppe paramater is gone from the freeradius.conf in backports. |
| 19:07.06 | SerajewelKS | because he's a sysadmin with idiot users/bosses presumably |
| 19:07.15 | nsadmin | is it authenticated ftp? |
| 19:07.15 | Nwallins | *ding ding ding* |
| 19:07.24 | Nwallins | yes, not encrypted obviously |
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| 19:08.38 | nsadmin | what happens to you if you say "you might be sorry you did this" |
| 19:09.15 | Nwallins | it's been in production for 10 years. it's part of the infrastructure. everyone knows it's not ideal, and there are initiatives to replace it |
| 19:09.32 | Nwallins | but a lot of other more important stuff going on, it's on the back burner |
| 19:09.36 | Nwallins | not going to change anytime soon |
| 19:09.55 | Nwallins | trust me -- you are preaching to the choir :) |
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| 19:10.59 | SerajewelKS | if pretty much every platform in the world didn't come with an ftp client, nobody would use it |
| 19:11.08 | Nwallins | would you believe that we transfer a 500 MB CSV file which is a glorified DB dump via this method, so that the machine next to the ftp / database host doesn't have to hit the DB directly |
| 19:11.26 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 19:11.29 | Nwallins | it imports the 500 MB CSV file every day into its own DB and hits that |
| 19:11.39 | nsadmin | if something bad happens to you if you say "you'll be sorry -soon-", can you arrange to get an article into the hands of all the people that could be directly affected by a breach? real sneaky like? |
| 19:11.49 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: we used to do the same thing, only we'd transfer it with punch-cards and a scooter |
| 19:11.52 | macrobat | so, what is better than ftp and why does my sources.list use it? :) |
| 19:11.55 | Nwallins | heh |
| 19:12.04 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: between buildings, uphill both ways, in the snow |
| 19:12.07 | Nwallins | nsadmin: it's not high on my priority list, personally |
| 19:12.10 | nsadmin | this database, what are some of the more sensitive fields? |
| 19:12.23 | Nwallins | nothing particularly sensitive |
| 19:12.32 | Nwallins | foreign exchange rates |
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| 19:13.17 | mroe | is there an allow-hotplug equivelent for virtual network interfaces (eth0:1)? |
| 19:13.23 | Nwallins | it's all essentially data that can be found elsewhere. it is core to our business and filtered and formatted for our needs |
| 19:13.30 | nsadmin | so, examples of things that are never transferred over this ftp for any reason: SSNs, med records, addresses, passwords (oh wait, we know that last one is transferred) |
| 19:13.55 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: scooter! What I'd have given for a scooter! |
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| 19:14.48 | nsadmin | yes? never transferred? |
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| 19:15.41 | Nwallins | addresses? |
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| 19:16.07 | Nwallins | I see addresses all the time on public http |
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| 19:18.10 | nsadmin | given I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure you'd agree that sending data that identifies someone's home address location strengthens the possibility of a wrong someone finding it |
| 19:18.31 | Nwallins | private home addresses, ah |
| 19:18.37 | nsadmin | right |
| 19:18.47 | Nwallins | we do transfer addresses, but not private home addresses |
| 19:19.25 | nsadmin | it seems the need for security is fairly low then |
| 19:19.38 | Nwallins | agreed |
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| 19:20.33 | macrobat | so debtorrent is better for sources than ftp? |
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| 19:21.05 | Nwallins | ftp should be avoided for sensitive information |
| 19:21.20 | Nwallins | getting packages from public repos, not particularly sensitive |
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| 19:23.03 | nsadmin | and the ironic thing is, if you do have sensitive info you're sending, it's probably more probable someone will breach from inside |
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| 19:28.54 | SerajewelKS | probably more probable? |
| 19:29.04 | SerajewelKS | it's completely somewhat likely! |
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| 19:29.25 | Nwallins | definitely |
| 19:29.30 | SerajewelKS | perhaps |
| 19:30.03 | Nwallins | I can offer a plausible guarantee |
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| 19:32.00 | macrobat | i'm using "update-alternatives --verbose --config editor" to change vim back and forth to vim.basic and vim.gtk. Nothing happens with the symlink /etc/alternatives/vim |
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| 19:32.35 | macrobat | that one is suppose to change, right? |
| 19:33.43 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: probably if you update the vim alternative, not the editor alternative... |
| 19:34.10 | macrobat | ok. i mixed them up |
| 19:35.50 | macrobat | it does what i expect :) |
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| 19:51.52 | TweakGames | I am trying to get a program called Remmina, but the site its on is only for ubuntu. |
| 19:52.01 | TweakGames | Is there an easy way to get that onto my debian install? |
| 19:52.27 | smacnay | should be in the Deb repository... |
| 19:52.30 | smacnay | I installed it. |
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| 19:52.47 | TweakGames | smacnay, oh I did apt-get install remmina and didnt snag anything, I will look for it. |
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| 19:53.06 | smacnay | TweakGames, there is remmina-gnome and remmina-xfce |
| 19:53.07 | Pnux | TweakGames: i have it on the repositories on Squeeze |
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| 19:53.14 | Guest70849 | Hello all, small problem, I have a postfix+amavis setup, and postfix wont deliver mails unless they're scanned. |
| 19:53.30 | Guest70849 | How ever, clamav became EOL last night. |
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| 19:53.49 | Tuxice | I tried this: http://openwallet.de/?p=275 |
| 19:53.58 | Tuxice | However, it says clamav is already the newest version. |
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| 19:54.16 | TweakGames | Smacnay: thank you. I am currently using kde, does that mean I need to install gnome? |
| 19:54.24 | TweakGames | (sorry for the noobness. :( ) |
| 19:54.49 | OldParr | since i installed selinux my ntfs does not mount automatically i must mount it by "mount -a" at the command line , is there any solution? |
| 19:55.02 | smacnay | probably not - not sure though. |
| 19:55.21 | OldParr | since i installed selinux my ntfs partition does not mount automatically i must mount it by "mount -a" at the command line , is there any solution? |
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| 19:58.21 | Tuxice | Fixed it, disregard. |
| 19:58.44 | Tuxice | Isn't that ironic. The email from the debian mailing list on how to fix it came in, however, the server was stopped, so I didn't get it. |
| 19:58.45 | Tuxice | heh |
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| 20:01.59 | TweakGames | smacnay: did you like remmina? I got rdesktop working with my 2008r2 box, but the coursor is black. :/ |
| 20:02.24 | TweakGames | I am trying to make things as normal as possible for our kids. K-5. |
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| 20:02.34 | smacnay | I didn't get rdesktop working but do like remmina. |
| 20:02.44 | TweakGames | smacnay: alright. Thanks. :) |
| 20:02.48 | smacnay | nice little project |
| 20:03.13 | TweakGames | smacnay: are there any other popular rdp projects that you know of? |
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| 20:17.25 | smacnay | TweakGames, no, I found remmina and just use it |
| 20:20.28 | smacnay | TweakGames, rdesktop never connected to the server I wanted but remmina did/does. |
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| 20:22.48 | TweakGames | smacnay: alrighty thanks. Everything in rdesktop works great for me, but the black mouse. O.o driving me crazy. |
| 20:23.03 | TweakGames | downloading remmina, I have high hopes. |
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| 20:23.41 | jelly-home | TweakGames: black mouse thing when connecting to vista/7/2008 is fixed in rdesktop's upstream VCS |
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| 20:24.26 | jelly-home | not sure if the fix got to sid already |
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| 20:25.06 | TweakGames | jelly-home: ! oh really ! I am not sure what upgreatm vcs is. Is that a patch? |
| 20:25.16 | TweakGames | upstream sorry. |
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| 20:25.39 | jelly-home | the place where the authors develop the next version |
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| 20:25.55 | TweakGames | jelly-home: ohh nice. So I would have to manually install the latest version. |
| 20:26.02 | sigmonsays | How do you get debian autotools.mk to run ./configure in a sub directory ? |
| 20:26.04 | jelly-home | yes |
| 20:26.16 | sigmonsays | is fighting dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:26.22 | TweakGames | jelly-home: ok thank you very much. I will try remmina first, and then that as a last resort. :D |
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| 20:26.51 | TweakGames | I dont trust my linux skills jelly. |
| 20:26.55 | TweakGames | or lack of. |
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| 20:30.31 | mohadib | howdy |
| 20:30.58 | mohadib | im trying to set up a reverse ssh tunnel, running this from the box behind nat: ssh -nNT -R 1100:localhost:8080 mohadib@openactive.org -g |
| 20:31.06 | mohadib | does that look right, i cant connect |
| 20:31.15 | mohadib | er, the tunnel is not working |
| 20:32.13 | asdf | is it possible to generate unique ssh keys with the same password? |
| 20:32.20 | asdf | i know it sounds redundant |
| 20:32.48 | asdf | for example, i like to use the same password for each key, but i'd like to be able to disable the key from my server if necessary |
| 20:32.55 | nsadmin | asdf sure, why not? |
| 20:33.04 | jamesd_laptop | asdf, yes i would assume so... but if you can't change the key lenght... |
| 20:33.23 | asdf | how do i do that? each key i generate with password 123 is the same hash |
| 20:33.30 | nsadmin | asdf when you tried, what happened? |
| 20:33.58 | asdf | the public key is always the same |
| 20:34.04 | nsadmin | password? or pass phrase? |
| 20:34.08 | KamusHadenes | unstable > stable downgrade |
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| 20:34.12 | KamusHadenes | simply painful |
| 20:34.15 | nsadmin | not possible |
| 20:34.16 | asdf | nsadmin: i'm using a password |
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| 20:34.30 | KamusHadenes | yes, it is. I'm doing it right now |
| 20:34.35 | nsadmin | so it's not asking for a "pass phrase"? |
| 20:34.51 | asdf | it is, sorry, i misunderstood, i am using a password |
| 20:35.17 | nsadmin | waits for us to get onto the same page :) |
| 20:35.26 | asdf | lol, sorry :D it's friday |
| 20:35.45 | asdf | nsadmin: basically, i want the same passphrase for each key, but on the server i want the mto be unique |
| 20:36.10 | asdf | so for example, i can "disable" the key on my server that i use to auth from my work laptop, if someone were to steal my laptop |
| 20:36.21 | asdf | but i suppose that's why i should use different passwords... |
| 20:36.40 | nsadmin | well |
| 20:37.10 | nsadmin | why not generate each key on the system on which the private key will live |
| 20:37.51 | asdf | nsadmin: well i use an ssh-agent on each client, so i need to have the private key on each system |
| 20:38.11 | nsadmin | you can do agent forwarding |
| 20:38.26 | nsadmin | so all private keys will be on all systems? |
| 20:38.31 | asdf | yes :) |
| 20:38.33 | nsadmin | then you might as well just have one |
| 20:38.34 | asdf | so secure! |
| 20:38.58 | asdf | i use pageant on the inwers machines and keychain on the linux hosts |
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| 20:39.03 | asdf | winders* |
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| 20:39.14 | PinkFreud | be careful with agent forwarding, though. in particular, make sure you absolutely trust the system's uyou're using it on, and those who run them. |
| 20:39.28 | PinkFreud | re-reads that, blinks. |
| 20:39.41 | asdf | haha |
| 20:39.46 | asdf | i do, it's always just me using them |
| 20:39.50 | PinkFreud | ... absolutely trust the systems you're using it on ... |
| 20:39.50 | asdf | blinks too |
| 20:40.06 | PinkFreud | much better. Brain fart. :) |
| 20:40.08 | asdf | i talked to the system, he's a cool guy, i trust it ;) |
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| 20:40.15 | nsadmin | does agent forwarding send the private key down the line? |
| 20:40.34 | PinkFreud | nsadmin: it provides access to the private key, yes. |
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| 20:41.07 | asdf | i think i'll just use one sinlg key with a differnet password for work/"other" systems |
| 20:41.09 | PinkFreud | it's available via a socket in /tmp |
| 20:41.37 | asdf | that way i can disable the key if something gets stolen |
| 20:42.02 | TweakGames | geeze taking 2 hours to download this remmina |
| 20:42.05 | PinkFreud | technically, only you and root have access to it. In reality, that means you have to implicitly trust anyone with root on that box, and hope that no unauthorized users have gained root as well. |
| 20:43.59 | nsadmin | hmm, so it's basically a catch-22 situation... whether he stores all priv keys on all involved boxes or does agent forwarding, he's in the same boat |
| 20:44.23 | nsadmin | I still say actually generate each key on each separate system |
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| 20:44.35 | PinkFreud | correct. I wouldn;t recommend doing agent forwarding on untrusted systems. |
| 20:44.48 | nsadmin | if you do that, then compare and see if the keys are still the same |
| 20:44.57 | asdf | nsadmin: i have, and they are |
| 20:45.14 | asdf | well, they almost are, it looks like a 1024 vs. 2048 key is different |
| 20:45.38 | nsadmin | so you did ssh-keygen on machine A and ssh-keygen on machine B and the public and priv keys match? |
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| 20:46.02 | asdf | nsadmin: the public keys do, i'm not 100% certain on the private ones, i can test that though |
| 20:46.18 | nsadmin | do your host keys match too? |
| 20:46.37 | nsadmin | I thought gpg added some entropy |
| 20:46.49 | TweakGames | if I cancel an apt-get mid download, will it need to redownload all the other packages it already downloaded? |
| 20:46.54 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: no |
| 20:46.56 | nsadmin | no |
| 20:47.05 | TweakGames | I accidently left DE in my sources and its downloading at like 10k a sec killing me. :D |
| 20:47.25 | nsadmin | remember to NEVER ctrl-c an apt-get when it's done downloading. BAD juju. |
| 20:47.40 | TweakGames | O.o when its done? |
| 20:47.45 | TweakGames | oh while its installing. |
| 20:47.57 | TweakGames | well its at 70%, I will just let it go this last 30 mins lol. |
| 20:47.59 | TweakGames | at 10k a sec. |
| 20:48.02 | nsadmin | that is when it's in the middle of unpacking/configuring the packages |
| 20:48.12 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: dial-up? |
| 20:48.24 | nsadmin | fast dialup :) |
| 20:48.48 | SerajewelKS | yeah 3k was about as fast as i ever got |
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| 20:49.11 | TweakGames | Serajewelks: naaa I think connecting to de server is causing it. I am in USA. |
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| 20:49.29 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: oh.. yeah, you might want to update your sources.list to use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:49.46 | TweakGames | serajewelks: I tried apt-cache search for the thing I needed with US, and it didnt show up, but it did in the DE, I dont know why. |
| 20:50.44 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: maybe because you hadn't apt-get updated in a while? |
| 20:50.53 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: or because you got a mirror that was behind? |
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| 20:51.13 | TweakGames | serajewelks: maybe. Should I try it again and do an update? I can cancel it in the download just fine they say. |
| 20:51.20 | TweakGames | I guess I will try. Its only another 2 hours if it breaks. :P |
| 20:51.31 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: worth another shot |
| 20:51.50 | asdf | nsadmin: they are not the same, public or private |
| 20:51.51 | SerajewelKS | TweakGames: any packages you've already downloaded (even partially) are somewhere in /var, so you won't have to download them again |
| 20:51.56 | asdf | so im set i guess :) |
| 20:52.18 | asdf | i need to test this more, i'm still not buying it |
| 20:52.40 | TweakGames | kk |
| 20:52.44 | TweakGames | its updating with US. |
| 20:53.02 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: unless he ran aptitude autoclean |
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| 20:54.23 | TweakGames | lol, its taking longer to update the US package, than just finish downloading from DE. I think our internet is foobarred. |
| 20:54.44 | TweakGames | <-- sad little 1.5m/1.5m single t1 private school. |
| 20:54.51 | TweakGames | excited to upgrade to 50/12 comcast. :D |
| 20:54.51 | Titan8990 | TweakGames: do you have a google repository enabled? |
| 20:55.10 | TweakGames | Titan8990: no, I dont think so. Whats that about? |
| 20:55.41 | Titan8990 | TweakGames: google software, google-chrome for example. Their repos has some issues where it causes updating to be very slow |
| 20:55.55 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: yes but he surely wouldn't :P |
| 20:55.57 | TweakGames | No, I have no google software on this box. |
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| 20:56.27 | TweakGames | Serajewelkds: it is downloadin the package much faster now. Thank you. |
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| 21:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | I seem to be having realm trouble with freeradius on lenny. I upgraded to backports and now the debug messages are less clear but it still fails. |
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| 21:06.29 | TweakGames | I am getting this error, kinda weird. -> Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/libkephal4_4.3.4-5+b1_i386.deb Size mismatch |
| 21:07.04 | TweakGames | when I am doing my apt-get |
| 21:07.15 | TweakGames | Does that just mean it is busted on the server? |
| 21:07.40 | valdyn | TweakGames: yes |
| 21:07.50 | TweakGames | valdyn: I thought so. Ok, back to DE. :P |
| 21:08.33 | jelly-home | TweakGames: didn't you have proxy issues yesterday as well? |
| 21:08.46 | TweakGames | jelly-home, yeup got that fixed. It was banning gz files. |
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| 21:08.52 | TweakGames | silly dans guardian. |
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| 21:09.10 | jelly-home | this looks suspiciously similar |
| 21:09.14 | TweakGames | it downloading it from DE correctly. :) |
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| 21:09.41 | jelly-home | it clears its proxy cache |
| 21:10.50 | TweakGames | holy smokes, this remmina-gnome is HUGE (or required a LOT of things I didnt have.) Its still installing lol. |
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| 21:11.37 | jelly-home | TweakGames: you can try using --without-recommends when installing weird stuff with lots of dependencies |
| 21:12.42 | TweakGames | alrighty done. :) Thanks for that tip jelly-home. |
| 21:12.54 | TweakGames | oh dang, nevermind, it errored out. |
| 21:13.07 | TweakGames | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:13.07 | TweakGames | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:13.19 | TweakGames | sad face, all day today. |
| 21:14.22 | jelly-home | !comfort TweakGames |
| 21:14.22 | dpkg | There, there, TweakGames. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:14.53 | TweakGames | :D Well, nothing ever goes easy with linux. :P |
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| 21:15.21 | TweakGames | So, any ideas? It recommended I do apt-get -f install but that gave same error. |
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| 21:16.13 | valdyn | TweakGames: give us the complete error |
| 21:16.21 | TweakGames | wwwaiiitt, is squeeze a different version of debian? I'm running lenny I think. |
| 21:16.26 | TweakGames | could that cause a problem? |
| 21:16.27 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:16.32 | valdyn | TweakGames: yes it could |
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| 21:17.14 | TweakGames | dang. |
| 21:17.47 | wols | from what you wrote, not just "could", but "did" |
| 21:17.58 | TweakGames | lol kk. |
| 21:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | THat's fairly strange. aptitude -f install wants to install a full soundsystem with X support on my server - which doesn't have X. |
| 21:18.40 | jhutchins_lt | TweakGames: squeeze is the current testing version of debian. |
| 21:19.15 | TweakGames | this is the complete error. http://pastebin.com/LKp8FS2g |
| 21:19.21 | TweakGames | jhutchins_lt: ok thank you. |
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| 21:19.53 | valdyn | judd: versions udev |
| 21:19.55 | judd | udev -- etch: 0.105-4; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; sid: 151-3; squeeze: 151-3 |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | TweakGames: It is generally advised NOT to mix versions, and not to run squeze until you're somewhat familiar with fixing things in Debian. |
| 21:20.05 | TweakGames | actually, this looks like the complete error. http://pastebin.com/zR3pyRPz |
| 21:20.41 | TweakGames | oh, well, I guess that throws running remmina out the window. :( now I need to figure out how to manually install rdesktops newest version. |
| 21:20.42 | valdyn | TweakGames: its failing intentionaly |
| 21:20.49 | wols | jhutchins_lt: welcome to the joys of recommends |
| 21:20.56 | TweakGames | valdyn: well thats not very nice. What did I ever do to it? |
| 21:21.05 | valdyn | TweakGames: read the warning. |
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| 21:21.30 | wols | jhutchins_lt: for a server,I suggest to disable recommends |
| 21:21.40 | TweakGames | valdyn: alrighty, makes sense now, is there a way I can skip that error? |
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| 21:21.50 | valdyn | TweakGames: dont you get the warning? |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | TweakGames: which part of it is hard to understand? |
| 21:22.07 | jhutchins_lt | wols: That's re: the sound install? |
| 21:22.12 | valdyn | TweakGames: this is stopping you from breaking your system |
| 21:22.12 | TweakGames | valdyn: meh, I installed linux on this yesterday, I wouldn tmiss anything if it got all screwed up. |
| 21:22.14 | wols | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 21:22.27 | valdyn | TweakGames: theres easier ways to break your system than by force installing this udev package |
| 21:22.31 | wols | TweakGames: it already is screwed up |
| 21:22.36 | TweakGames | valdyn: lol ok, I will just try and manually install latest rdesktop. |
| 21:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | apt-get -f install doesn't recommend anyting, so I'm pretty sure I'm find, but I'll look at that. |
| 21:22.43 | TweakGames | wols: whats new. :) |
| 21:22.48 | valdyn | TweakGames: hell no |
| 21:23.05 | valdyn | TweakGames: you need to fix your system, not stay on the track of breaking things and breaking more things |
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| 21:23.22 | TweakGames | valdyn: lol I will just format and try again. O.o |
| 21:23.34 | wols | tell jhutchins_lt about apt recommends |
| 21:23.34 | valdyn | TweakGames: upgrade to squeeze or stick to lenny, both have rdesktop |
| 21:23.53 | TweakGames | its really not that big a deal, I was jus tin a hurry to get this done today for the kids free choice time, and I wanted them to try and stress the sever with the thin clients. |
| 21:24.07 | valdyn | TweakGames: but youre trying to shove an unhealthy mix of packages instead.. |
| 21:24.11 | wols | TweakGames: unless you fix your apt NOW, you can never ever again use it. it won't work anymore unless you fix this problem now |
| 21:24.18 | TweakGames | alrighty, I will just try squeeze. |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | good idea, considering you just got told not to use squeeze |
| 21:25.21 | valdyn | ( that was sarcasm :) ) |
| 21:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | Not real clear on the situation, but I know my users are not satisfied with "yeah, it's broken, I'll see if I can fix it tomorrow". |
| 21:27.56 | miodi | hey, do you have any good tips on current and accurate documentation and how-tos on debian? |
| 21:28.14 | valdyn | miodi: to achieve what? |
| 21:28.22 | TweakGames | meh, I have a belly button. :) |
| 21:28.39 | miodi | valdyn: to tweak my power management, i'm running on dell xps m1330 |
| 21:29.00 | valdyn | !cpufrequitls |
| 21:29.01 | miodi | and also just general knowledge |
| 21:29.09 | valdyn | !cpufrequtils |
| 21:29.14 | valdyn | wtf |
| 21:29.23 | TweakGames | valdyn: so as of right now, can I restart this machine ok? or is it toast? |
| 21:29.37 | valdyn | TweakGames: i think you can |
| 21:29.59 | valdyn | miodi: install cpufrequtils, configure it |
| 21:31.02 | valdyn | miodi: certainly google will know most of debian documentation |
| 21:31.39 | miodi | yeah, but sometimes the articles or guides are kind of old |
| 21:32.24 | valdyn | miodi: google can search by age too |
| 21:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | I just came across a doc today that was current for Woody. |
| 21:33.02 | valdyn | !debian reference |
| 21:33.03 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 21:33.04 | miodi | valdyn: dumb me :) |
| 21:33.27 | valdyn | miodi: i doubt that reference will be up to date for anything but lenny though |
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| 21:34.04 | valdyn | miodi: if youre not using lenny though, its not possible to get comprehensive up to date docs at a single place |
| 21:34.36 | miodi | valdyn: i'm running lenny so no problem there, thanks |
| 21:35.20 | valdyn | !howto |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | howto is probably at http://tldp.org/docs.html#howto, or in package doc-linux-text, files end up in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (as .gz files, use 'zless filename.gz' to read them). This is where you _learn_ stuff, but see <tutorials>... |
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| 21:35.32 | valdyn | ok, that sucks |
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| 21:38.43 | valdyn | !tutorials |
| 21:38.43 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 21:40.48 | miodi | valdyn: alright, good to know :) thanks a lot |
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| 21:47.02 | TweakGames | lol valdyn: this install is hosed. :D |
| 21:47.14 | TweakGames | somehow the kde install is all messed up. I think I will start over again. |
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| 22:14.01 | FriedrichMan | hello everyone |
| 22:14.14 | FriedrichMan | i just installed debian in an old pentium 3 |
| 22:14.21 | FriedrichMan | i got only console right now... |
| 22:14.32 | FriedrichMan | i #aptitude install xfce4 |
| 22:14.37 | FriedrichMan | but now I cannot lunch it |
| 22:14.38 | FriedrichMan | so how come? |
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| 22:16.19 | peterrooney | what is the LC in localization variable short for? |
| 22:16.29 | wols | FriedrichMan: you didn't install X. just becuase you installed an X client doesn't mean you need to have X itself too |
| 22:16.35 | wols | FriedrichMan: install xorg |
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| 22:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | One would think that xorg would be a dependency for an x client. |
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| 22:26.09 | wols | jhutchins_lt: that would be a very stupid thing |
| 22:26.13 | cybertek | can anyone help me? when I try to run apache2 it says no listening sockets available, shutting down & Unable to open logs |
| 22:26.43 | wols | cybertek: how do you try to run it? by default apache starts on its own via sysvinit script |
| 22:26.50 | wols | cybertek: are you root when trying to start it? |
| 22:26.52 | cybertek | wols, /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 22:26.57 | cybertek | wols, yes |
| 22:27.23 | wols | cybertek: netstat -anp |grep :80 |
| 22:27.40 | cybertek | root@sonet:~# netstat -anp |grep :80 |
| 22:27.40 | cybertek | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8009 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6616/jsvc |
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| 22:28.05 | wols | so nothing listens. there should be a socket available for it |
| 22:28.29 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 22:28.38 | HardDisk_WP | oh, another dude with a socket problem |
| 22:28.43 | HardDisk_WP | i have one, too... |
| 22:28.52 | HardDisk_WP | netstat -lnp shows no listener on 8080 |
| 22:28.53 | cybertek | not sure what my problem is |
| 22:28.54 | HardDisk_WP | but I gert |
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| 22:29.04 | HardDisk_WP | socket_bind(): unable to bind address [98]: Address already in use |
| 22:30.39 | TweakGames | wols: I was told to find the latest, beta like version or rdesktop, but it was called something else. It looks like debians apt get is getting version 1.6, do you know where to find the latest testing version, or what it is called? It was like upriver or something. |
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| 22:31.51 | Titan8990 | TweakGames: what problem are you having with rdesktop? |
| 22:32.08 | aguitel | i installed lxde but later i uninstall all lxde ,why when i type aptitude install -f it install again lxde? |
| 22:32.12 | TweakGames | Titan8990: the cursor mouse arrow (and hour glass and all) are black. |
| 22:32.16 | jelly-home | TweakGames: upstream |
| 22:32.25 | TweakGames | Titan8990: trying to connect to my 2008r2 box. Upstream! thats it. |
| 22:32.31 | TweakGames | Thanks jelly, I was like upriver, close. |
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| 22:33.27 | jelly-home | it means "the original authors", for whom distros are downstream |
| 22:33.45 | cybertek | wols, so my problem is not a socket problem |
| 22:34.36 | TweakGames | jelly, ok thanks. Doesnt seem to be anything newer than the 1.6 :( |
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| 22:35.46 | jelly-home | TweakGames: right, you'll have to get it from authors git/svn/whatever |
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| 22:36.24 | jelly-home | TweakGames: or find the patch on ubuntu's bug tracker, it's referenced there |
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| 22:37.15 | jelly-home | alternately, report the bug to debian |
| 22:38.17 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 22:38.21 | TweakGames | (is it just me, or does ubuntu seem more popular than debian?) |
| 22:38.41 | lifestream | Yes |
| 22:38.46 | lifestream | But that's OK |
| 22:38.50 | jelly-home | TweakGames: no. They try very hard to be the popular choice. |
| 22:38.55 | lifestream | As long as I can haz Debian |
| 22:39.01 | lifestream | true jelly-home |
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| 22:39.43 | lifestream | isn't there a #debian-social or offtopic channel? :-( |
| 22:39.50 | azeem | !ot |
| 22:39.50 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 22:39.51 | jelly-home | !ot |
| 22:39.57 | themill | lifestream: /topic |
| 22:40.02 | lifestream | I read topic |
| 22:40.07 | lifestream | oh nvm |
| 22:40.14 | lifestream | :P |
| 22:40.17 | jelly-home | lifestream: you were being rhetorical. |
| 22:40.31 | lifestream | how so? |
| 22:40.44 | Titan8990 | !topicsmite lifestream |
| 22:40.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon lifestream. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:43.45 | lifestream | Nah, it's just I thought I had, but I hadn't . I had scrolled up before asking, to read the topic,. Instead, I saw jelly-home's !reportbug above :P I didn't notice it was a dpkg, thought to myself, oh there's nothing there about #debian-offtopic |
| 22:43.55 | aguitel | i installed lxde but later i uninstall all lxde ,why when i type aptitude install -f it install again lxde? |
| 22:45.16 | peterrooney | aguitel: "aptitude why lxde" may help |
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| 22:46.39 | aguitel | peterrooney, Unable to find a reason to install lxde. |
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| 22:48.44 | lifestream | I'm sure this is very simple, but I have files like FileName.ext.example and I need to remove ".example" from the end, for all files in the folder. how do I do this? >:| |
| 22:49.05 | lifestream | besides right-click-rename each file :P |
| 22:49.07 | peterrooney | aguitel: you may want to run aptitude, and in prefs, uncheck "Install recommended packages automatically" |
| 22:49.08 | themill | lifestream: if you know perl regexps, rename |
| 22:49.20 | lifestream | themill, if I knew perl i'd probably know how to do it ;p |
| 22:49.27 | themill | lifestream: then try krename |
| 22:49.43 | lifestream | ;___; gonna have to install a gazillion kde dependencies;p |
| 22:50.02 | lifestream | thunar has bulk rename, but its for music |
| 22:50.14 | Tramp | lifestream: for f in *; do n=${f%.rename}; echo mv "$f" "$n"; done |
| 22:50.30 | Tramp | lifestream: check the output, then remove the "echo" if it looks fine |
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| 22:50.55 | themill | ewww! |
| 22:50.56 | jelly-home | mv -i will stop it from overwriting existing files |
| 22:50.56 | lifestream | thanks a lot Tramp, and thanks for taking the extra step to be cautious with echo ^_^ |
| 22:51.16 | peterrooney | rename 's/.example//' *.example |
| 22:51.17 | themill | rename 's/.example$//' *.example |
| 22:51.31 | Tramp | lifestream: to be correct: mv -- ...... |
| 22:51.40 | jelly-home | themill: that's not interesting at all. Also, forgot to escape the dot |
| 22:52.02 | themill | jelly-home: not needed. *.example :) |
| 22:52.03 | lifestream | themill, peterrooney , excelent, simple and clean. I know a bit of sed but always too scared to use it |
| 22:52.12 | jelly-home | themill: curses! |
| 22:53.10 | jelly-home | themill: might as well s/.{8}$// then! |
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| 22:53.17 | themill | hehe |
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| 22:54.57 | cybertek | anyone know anything about apache2 servers on debian? I am having trouble with mine it wont even start anymore |
| 22:55.36 | dondelelcaro | cybertek: best to ask your question |
| 22:55.37 | jelly-home | cybertek: check its error.log |
| 22:56.19 | jelly-home | "check the logs" could be in the topic, eh |
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| 22:56.49 | themill | jelly-home: TOPICLEN=390 :( |
| 22:57.11 | jelly-home | tl;dr~ |
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| 23:00.36 | cybertek | root@sonet:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 23:00.36 | cybertek | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.36 | cybertek | Unable to open logs |
| 23:00.36 | cybertek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:03.09 | TweakGames | Well, I am going to try debian squeeze now. :) not exactly excited to jump into something new, but what evers. |
| 23:03.22 | \amethyst | cybertek: what is your Listen line? is the port number already in use by something? |
| 23:04.12 | \amethyst | cybertek: sometimes the error can arise because you have the same Listen line in two different places |
| 23:05.07 | \amethyst | cybertek: in Debian those are usually put in ports.conf, so make sure you don't also have them in a vhost conf file or in apache2.conf |
| 23:06.00 | TweakGames | is there a simple way to upgrade my kernel to squeeze also? My kernel seems to be lagging behind or something. |
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| 23:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 23:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | TweakGames: ^ |
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| 23:25.07 | Sarago | is there not a package for mysql? |
| 23:25.17 | V4mpire | hi guys what FAT filesystem can linux read/understand/write because i would like to format a hdd to this so i can back up data from linux to it and then have it still accesible to windows XP afterwards |
| 23:25.37 | handheldCar | Sarago: mysql-server and -client |
| 23:26.06 | Sarago | handheldCar: ah, thank you |
| 23:26.08 | handheldCar | V4mpire: Linux can understand NTFS now. |
| 23:26.16 | Sarago | does mysql-server install client? |
| 23:26.27 | handheldCar | not sure |
| 23:26.36 | jelly-home | V4mpire: vfat is readable and writabel from both, but has a number of limitations that may or may not matter to you: case insensivity; no unix permissions; 4GB file size limit |
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| 23:27.09 | V4mpire | handheldCar well its etch and hasn't been updated in a while and i dont fancy playing around trying to get wifi device working on it so i can add ntfs support |
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| 23:27.19 | jelly-home | V4mpire: there's write support for ntfs in linux now, but no fsck (if things break, you need to boot windows to chkdsk) |
| 23:28.05 | V4mpire | ahh ok so if i formatted it to fat32 it would be fine |
| 23:28.06 | handheldCar | ntfs-3g |
| 23:28.26 | jelly-home | V4mpire: yes |
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| 23:28.39 | optiix | Hi people |
| 23:29.35 | optiix | Im kinda new to linux. Just learned to setup som small things. Now I've comed to VPN via PPTP protocol. Can't get it work. Anyone care to help? |
| 23:29.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there a way to distable UUID and identify a device using device name i.e /dev/sdb2 |
| 23:29.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *disable |
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| 23:32.07 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: disable it where? |
| 23:32.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jelly-home : grub identifying it automatically like that |
| 23:32.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | or fstab |
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| 23:33.50 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: for fstab, just edit it |
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| 23:34.00 | jelly-home | for grub, depends on which grub you got |
| 23:34.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | grub-legacy |
| 23:34.20 | jelly-home | then, just edit menu.lst |
| 23:34.32 | jelly-home | knowing which bits to edit can be fun |
| 23:35.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes it is. but i am curious which portion is making dese to use UUID instead of device names |
| 23:35.40 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: lines starting with # kopt= and # groot= are important. edit but do not uncomment. |
| 23:35.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 23:36.15 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: update-grub will copy the contents of those lines to the actual autoconfigured boot entries |
| 23:36.26 | V4mpire | can sata hdd not run as master hdd with ide hdd as secondary ? |
| 23:36.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | V4mpire good question |
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| 23:39.35 | V4mpire | ok the problem being it doesn't seem to be booting the sata hdd |
| 23:40.16 | V4mpire | anyone know of somewhere online to check if the system will run with sata hdd not as raid as some systems with all red sata ports do |
| 23:40.45 | V4mpire | theres a setting to enable sata which is separate from raid in bios but cant see how to detect the hdd |
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| 23:52.13 | wols | V4mpire: this is boot order. and with only one disk, no sata controller uses raid and works just normally |
| 23:52.25 | wols | and detection != boot order |
| 23:53.02 | V4mpire | on its own it doesn't boot |
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