| 00:00.34 | macrobat | im trying to set up wireless on a grml live cd. the network driver is loaded. there is no wicd. if i ping the router adress, i get "Network is unreachable" |
| 00:02.40 | eradiate | i'm running kvm with 1 instance, but when i try to scp files to it, it crashes |
| 00:02.52 | eradiate | where can i lookg to see what's causing this? |
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| 00:03.27 | macrobat | i can see my ap with iwlist scan. i have done these settings: iwconfig mode, iwconfig channel, iwconfig essid, iwconfig ap |
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| 00:05.19 | mohadib | why when i try to run apt-get update do i get output like this: Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/contrib Translation-en_US |
| 00:05.29 | mohadib | why Ign and Translation-en_US |
| 00:05.37 | mohadib | i dont normally get that |
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| 00:07.23 | wols | mohadib: what's in your sources.list? |
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| 00:07.38 | wols | macrobat: ask grml people, not us |
| 00:07.52 | macrobat | :( |
| 00:08.01 | mohadib | http://openactive.org/pastebin/paste/show/3 |
| 00:08.10 | mohadib | wols: ^ |
| 00:08.45 | macrobat | it's like universal network tools. i'd like to chroot to my debian install and fix stuff |
| 00:09.02 | wols | macrobat: we don't give a fuck. it's not debian so why it doesn't work doesn't concern us |
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| 00:09.31 | \amethyst | mohadib: because lenny contrib and non-free don't have package description translations |
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| 00:09.58 | \amethyst | mohadib: the message is expected, and can safely be ignored |
| 00:10.07 | mohadib | why is it asking for a translation? |
| 00:10.10 | mohadib | ok |
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| 00:10.32 | mohadib | my other lenny box doesnt do this |
| 00:10.35 | wols | \amethyst: what makes apt look for translations? |
| 00:10.37 | mohadib | someone else installed this though |
| 00:11.45 | \amethyst | wols: having LANG or LC_MESSAGES set I would gues |
| 00:11.46 | \amethyst | s |
| 00:13.01 | mohadib | i have LANG set to en_US.UTF-8 on both boxes LC_MESSAGES set on neither |
| 00:13.09 | mohadib | yet one behaves different |
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| 00:16.28 | mohadib | unset LANG LANGUAGE fixed |
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| 01:02.09 | today | hi everyone, i have a trouble with my debian OS, i cant access internet each other login, only set DNS i must access Internet, how that ? |
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| 01:02.52 | Xenguy | today: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 01:03.02 | ZeZu | depends how you've set dns ,, yes i'd start w/ resolv.conf |
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| 01:05.34 | today | Xenguy: i see: nameserver : 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:06.05 | \amethyst | today: it's not supposed to have a colon |
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| 01:06.41 | Xenguy | today: there should be 2 lines like that (no colon); find out the correct name server IPs to use from your ISP |
| 01:07.31 | ZeZu | anyone have any recommendations for switching to a raid setup with the root partition getting added to the array ? like copying /* to ramdisk and chroot , create array and copy, modify grub?? |
| 01:08.38 | Xenguy | today: also, find out if 'resolvconf' package is installed, and if yes, remove it (unless you have very complex needs, it is more trouble than it is worth IMHO) |
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| 01:10.28 | today | Xenguy : see like that http://imgur.com/lZSre.png. i allways set DNS when ever i login Debian |
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| 01:12.03 | Xenguy | today: is 'resolvconf' package installed? |
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| 01:14.08 | today | yes,i do Xenguy |
| 01:14.32 | today | may i install avahi-dnsconfd package ? xenguy |
| 01:14.35 | Xenguy | today: OK, first remove 'resolvconf'. |
| 01:14.56 | today | yes i do |
| 01:15.22 | today | how next Xenguy |
| 01:15.44 | BlueG | Mail I get from Debian mailing list is usually nicely formatted, often with number footnotes. Is there a mail client commonly used that has features to handle things like that, or are those things just done manually? |
| 01:15.52 | Xenguy | today: once 'resolvconf' is removed, edit file /etc/resolv.conf ... |
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| 01:16.25 | Xenguy | today: you need 2 lines like: nameserver xxx.xxx.xx.xx |
| 01:16.39 | today | i see in the resolv.conf : nameserver : 8.8.8. ( only this line) |
| 01:16.55 | V4mpire | any ideas why a system wont boot a sata drive ? |
| 01:16.56 | today | i see in the resolv.conf : nameserver : 8.8.8.8 ( only this line) Xenguy |
| 01:17.15 | Xenguy | today: that line is wrong, so you need to fix it... |
| 01:17.29 | Xenguy | today: where xxx is the proper nameserver IP address |
| 01:17.49 | Xenguy | today: for example, try these 2 lines... |
| 01:17.50 | today | i see that is Google DNS server Xenguy? |
| 01:17.59 | \amethyst | 8.8.8.8 is google-public-dns-a |
| 01:18.08 | \amethyst | today: the line in resolv.conf shuold not have a colon |
| 01:18.16 | \amethyst | today: change it to nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:18.22 | Xenguy | today: what \amethyst said |
| 01:18.58 | today | what about \amethyst Xenguy |
| 01:19.13 | Xenguy | today: do what \amethyst suggested :-) |
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| 01:19.33 | Xenguy | today: change line to: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:19.47 | Xenguy | today: then save file. |
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| 01:21.35 | today | okay i see, You can see here : http://imgur.com/GRlj2.png |
| 01:22.06 | \amethyst | that looks fine |
| 01:22.36 | today | \amethyst: i know, but i still manual config DNS when i login again ^^ |
| 01:22.44 | today | what wrong ? |
| 01:22.59 | Xenguy | today: good (it should 'stick' if the 'resolvconf' package has been removed) |
| 01:23.13 | \amethyst | hm, I don't know network-manager or whatever, so I'm not sure what the issue would be |
| 01:23.42 | today | i allready removed resolvconf |
| 01:24.16 | today | by the way, i want to ask : how it set Nautilus , i dont like Nautilus this link http://imgur.com/GRlj2.png |
| 01:24.53 | Xenguy | today: if you are *sure* you removed 'resolvconf', and /etc/resolv.conf is *still* being overwritten, then obviously there is some other problem |
| 01:25.35 | today | xenguy may i restart now? |
| 01:25.56 | Xenguy | today: sure |
| 01:26.27 | today | thanks for help, i come in soon |
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| 01:28.15 | Xenguy | .oO(serenity now!) |
| 01:28.30 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 01:30.43 | today | thanks for help Xenguyk , i dont need manual config |
| 01:31.31 | today | so that, i dont speak Native English, i want to install Golden Dict , Can You help now ? Xenguy |
| 01:31.42 | Xenguy | today: it worked? Great :-) |
| 01:32.11 | today | thats great xenguy |
| 01:32.26 | today | how install Golden dict xenguyr?" |
| 01:32.43 | Xenguy | today: Golden Dict - is that a debian package? |
| 01:32.48 | gapz | heya |
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| 01:33.17 | today | i think we must to compiler xenguy |
| 01:33.34 | Xenguy | today: do you have a URL? |
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| 01:34.16 | today | here xenguy http://goldendict.berlios.de/download.php |
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| 01:35.50 | Xenguy | today: yes, looks like you need to compile |
| 01:36.51 | today | xenguy, i dont like this nautilus http://imgur.com/zvUoU, when ever Rclick it open new windows again |
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| 01:38.47 | Xenguy | today: try 'control-2' |
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| 01:39.22 | today | how xenguy? |
| 01:39.53 | Xenguy | today: or > View > View as list |
| 01:40.30 | Xenguy | today: with the 'list' view, you can click on the 'triangle' (at left), and it should open in same window (I think) ? |
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| 01:41.52 | Xenguy | today: there are other file managers too, like 'thunar', or 'dolphin', or others |
| 01:42.17 | Xenguy | today: I'm old-school, I just use a terminal + 'mc' :-) |
| 01:42.22 | today | not now xenguy, when i L click other folder, it open new windows |
| 01:43.02 | Xenguy | today: hrm, not sure, I don't really use Nautilus |
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| 01:45.23 | handheldCar | today: Edit -> Preferences -> BEhavior -> Always open in browser windows |
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| 01:50.08 | Xenguy | takes a break... |
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| 01:59.37 | today | coulde You show me how install GoldenDict for Debian :? |
| 02:01.34 | Xenguy | today: see that URL you gave before, section 'Building the latest version from source' |
| 02:02.06 | Xenguy | today: (near bottom of page) |
| 02:02.08 | today | i download but dont see readme file or some thing |
| 02:02.28 | Xenguy | today: http://goldendict.berlios.de/download.php |
| 02:02.43 | Xenguy | today: ^^^^^ section 'Building the latest version from source' |
| 02:02.43 | today | thanks xenguy |
| 02:02.51 | Xenguy | today: yw |
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| 02:07.29 | today | xenguy, but how build now ?:( |
| 02:07.45 | today | i dont see guide file |
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| 02:09.30 | Xenguy | today: I have nothing to add except go to that URL, find the section I mentioned, and follow those instructions |
| 02:10.02 | today | ^^ thanks xenguy |
| 02:10.08 | Xenguy | today: if it is too advanced/complex, then maybe find different software? |
| 02:10.12 | Xenguy | no problem |
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| 02:21.02 | KamusHadenes | hey there |
| 02:21.46 | KamusHadenes | please, how do I recover files of a replaced partition? another partition was created with the exact same starts and endings over the old one, and has same filesystem (ext3) |
| 02:21.55 | KamusHadenes | is possible do recover it? |
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| 02:29.41 | today | Xenguy, can you tell me how config wiffi ? |
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| 02:34.50 | Xenguy | today: heh, I still am working on that myself ;-) |
| 02:35.10 | Xenguy | today: or I should say, it is on my 'to-do' list |
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| 02:38.42 | today | when i turn on wiffi button, i cant see other accesspoint at network manager |
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| 02:42.42 | d1b | today: yes and? |
| 02:43.01 | d1b | perhaps the kill-switch (wifi button) doesn't work properly |
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| 02:59.08 | xulf | Hello |
| 02:59.57 | xulf | I have added a second hard drive and I want to add more space to my existing lvm partition |
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| 03:05.03 | tarkaram | which debian package installs the "convert" command |
| 03:05.47 | adb | !as |
| 03:05.47 | dpkg | as is, like, autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself . Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
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| 03:28.38 | sutem | hi i have a problem setting the time on my debian server |
| 03:29.15 | spersaud | sutem ntp ? |
| 03:29.20 | sutem | yes |
| 03:29.53 | spersaud | isnt that suppost to set the time automatically ? |
| 03:29.54 | sutem | ntpd is running, yet it doesnt set the time |
| 03:30.01 | sutem | its 2 hours behind |
| 03:30.13 | spersaud | sutem: so youre in the wrong time zone |
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| 03:30.33 | sutem | ah |
| 03:30.36 | sutem | that could be |
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| 03:31.03 | \amethyst | sutem: to verify, if the problem is the timezone, date --utc should say 03:31:00 or so |
| 03:32.00 | sutem | i set the timezone |
| 03:32.14 | sutem | could it be that "date" shows the universal time? |
| 03:32.28 | \amethyst | sutem: by default it shows it in your timezone |
| 03:32.58 | sutem | date and date -u show the same time |
| 03:33.00 | \amethyst | what does date say exactly? |
| 03:33.04 | sutem | tho i just selected a german time |
| 03:33.05 | \amethyst | they both say "UTC' ? |
| 03:33.13 | sutem | yes |
| 03:33.40 | sutem | i just used tzselect to select a tz |
| 03:33.42 | \amethyst | does echo $TZ print anything? |
| 03:33.42 | sutem | doesnt help tho |
| 03:34.07 | sutem | empty line |
| 03:34.12 | \amethyst | sutem: tzselect doesn't actually change the timezone |
| 03:34.19 | \amethyst | sutem: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 03:34.24 | \amethyst | sutem: as the tzselect manpage says |
| 03:34.49 | sutem | uhm |
| 03:34.54 | \amethyst | sutem: (it used to, but that changed as of lenny) |
| 03:35.00 | sutem | it also shows me that language and LC_all are unset |
| 03:35.27 | sutem | zuconfig |
| 03:35.29 | sutem | oops |
| 03:35.32 | sutem | moment please |
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| 03:36.04 | sutem | okay i used tzconfig |
| 03:36.06 | sutem | now it works |
| 03:36.10 | sutem | thank you, appreciated. |
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| 03:39.03 | xulf | How do I resize my ext3 partition ? |
| 03:39.35 | liable | remove the journal first, resize, put journal back |
| 03:39.43 | liable | man tune2fs |
| 03:40.25 | xulf | Ive been trying resize2fs /dev/mapper/debian-root |
| 03:40.38 | xulf | but it says file system is already 9382039239 blocks long nothing to do |
| 03:40.59 | xulf | ive used lvextend just prior |
| 03:41.21 | xulf | so there should be something to extend or it should be able to resize but its not doing it |
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| 03:41.43 | dvs | gparted |
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| 03:42.28 | aidalgol | What is the *Debian* way to disable root login? |
| 03:42.50 | xulf | dvs: what do I do with gparted specifically? |
| 03:43.09 | dvs | xulf: run it |
| 03:44.00 | Rusty1 | doesn't think gparted supports lvm |
| 03:44.04 | xulf | uh I dont have x windows? |
| 03:44.13 | xulf | now you have my system installing gigs of crap |
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| 03:45.01 | dvs | xulf: sorry. parted is the console version |
| 03:45.13 | xulf | ok |
| 03:45.32 | xulf | I ran it and it says (parted) |
| 03:46.11 | near | hi people |
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| 03:46.21 | near | how can i get to boot debian with out the x server? |
| 03:46.42 | xulf | dvs: what do I do now? |
| 03:47.01 | dvs | xulf: help |
| 03:47.14 | near | hii |
| 03:47.25 | dvs | xulf: i've never used the console version |
| 03:47.37 | xulf | ok but what am I running this for? |
| 03:47.56 | xulf | is it because there's not a ext3 partition that it can extend onto? |
| 03:48.19 | dvs | xulf: then what do you want to expand? |
| 03:49.25 | xulf | the existing lvm "debian" |
| 03:49.47 | dvs | oh. lvm. Can't help you there. |
| 03:50.07 | Rusty1 | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ << xulf |
| 03:50.07 | axe | xulf, man inittab |
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| 03:51.40 | axe | just change default runlevel |
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| 03:52.39 | \amethyst | axe: huh, how does changing the default runlevel help with extending an LVM |
| 03:52.40 | \amethyst | ? |
| 03:53.13 | \amethyst | s/LVM/LV/ |
| 03:53.39 | axe | \amethyst, i say this to xulf, not for you |
| 03:53.59 | \amethyst | fuck you too |
| 03:54.05 | axe | lol |
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| 03:54.29 | Tramp | we are careful that questioners are not given bogus/useless/dangerous advice |
| 03:54.30 | xulf | ive already been reading all of this |
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| 03:55.01 | Blackhold | hi |
| 03:55.18 | Blackhold | could someone give me a little bit help please? |
| 03:55.25 | xulf | axe: what do I do with inittab |
| 03:55.25 | Blackhold | just do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:55.37 | Blackhold | and trackpoint of my thinkpad don't work |
| 03:55.45 | techman36 | hi, i have a problem, im trying to make a vpn using pptp and this is error i get from the client /usr/sbin/pptpsetup: couldnt find MPPE support in pppd |
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| 03:55.52 | Blackhold | before I had a rule in udev to configure it manually |
| 03:56.13 | Blackhold | now with update it seems broken, also I tried to configure it via xorg |
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| 03:59.47 | Tramp | xulf: what does "lvs /dev/mapper/debian-root" show? |
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| 04:05.44 | near | has anyone installed wordpress? |
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| 04:22.39 | Sarago | what package do I need to install to get wireless adapter working? |
| 04:23.59 | liable | wireless-tools and wpasupplicant, plus whatever gui you might want to use |
| 04:24.20 | liable | if you just want a gui app, it should pull in whats neccessary |
| 04:25.45 | Sarago | liable: thanks |
| 04:26.15 | liable | Sarago: np. i take it that it has a kernel module that supports the card? |
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| 04:27.03 | Sarago | Not sure, i need to figure that out |
| 04:27.15 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 04:27.25 | liable | check dmesg output too |
| 04:28.30 | Sarago | it's a Netgear WG111 |
| 04:28.39 | Sarago | looks like a p54usb |
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| 04:30.18 | funyun | how can i find dirs with more than 40GB in them? |
| 04:32.19 | Sarago | http://dpaste.com/184743/ |
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| 04:33.15 | liable | ah, thats a good sign |
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| 04:34.48 | Sarago | any tips on finding this firmware and then where to put it once I have it? |
| 04:35.52 | liable | i'm just seeing if i can find it |
| 04:36.32 | Sarago | http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 04:36.38 | techman36 | /usr/sbin/pptpsetup: couldnt find mppe support in pppd , any idea? |
| 04:37.29 | liable | Sarago: ya, it has a section for your usb one, looks like you have to get it yourself |
| 04:37.41 | epsilon | Sarago: which card version, v1? |
| 04:37.57 | Sarago | ya, v1 I think |
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| 04:38.56 | Sarago | WG111 272-10127-01 |
| 04:39.39 | Pnux | hey, i got a really stupid question, but its really easy to answer.. whats the path to all the rcX.d directories? |
| 04:40.08 | epsilon | Sarago: the prism54 packages should do it, I have similar prism card |
| 04:40.35 | epsilon | if install / module load / reboot whatever you should have wlan device in iwconfig |
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| 04:41.17 | epsilon | Sarago: can you also please check if your device is capable of running hostap? http://wiki.debian.org/hostap - I really would to know that... |
| 04:42.18 | Xcreative | hm. |
| 04:47.14 | Sarago | it's late, i'll look at tomorrow, thanks guys |
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| 04:54.44 | cheako | jelly-home: This won't work on say CentOS or SunOS. |
| 04:55.01 | cheako | ...A comment from a reply hours old. |
| 04:55.29 | cheako | Hello, does any one know of a good example application... like ./configure that would be usable anywhere that would identify the current OS(Ubuntu/Debian is the big problem I have now, but RedHat Fedora CentOS SunOS AIX...) Release/version and arch(uname -m)? |
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| 04:56.50 | cheako | lsb_release isn't a mandatory install on most OSes. |
| 04:57.47 | cheako | The purpose is to be able to install packages, perl modules specifically, any where the script is run. |
| 04:58.46 | cheako | The current call CPAN and hope the build does not fail can potentially replace system installed modules AND an update to CPAN can break the build. |
| 05:01.23 | wols_ | for CPAN modules, there is dh_make-perl |
| 05:02.05 | cheako | wols_: This _WILL NOT_ work on RedHat/CentOS/Fedora/SunOS/AIX/... |
| 05:02.28 | cheako | I need a script that can detect the current OS. |
| 05:02.55 | cheako | That and dh_make-perl can break if there is a bad push to CPAN. |
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| 05:05.18 | cheako | I currently have "[ -e /usr/bin/apt-get ]" but then I can't discover if this is Debian or Ubuntu. |
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| 05:24.04 | Bop | can anybody show me an lenny sources.list _ |
| 05:24.17 | wols_ | Bop: how about you show us yours? |
| 05:24.31 | Bop | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 05:25.06 | wols_ | add a / after /debian like this /debian/ |
| 05:25.22 | cheako | We had planned on using it to build pre-compiled binaries, however the licensing for the compiler is just too much. |
| 05:25.33 | Bop | what about the new kernel |
| 05:25.38 | wols_ | gcc runs on aix IIRD |
| 05:25.38 | ruben231 | hi guys i have a hosted server on a hosting sompany, how so i install debian-server on it...any suggestion..? |
| 05:25.40 | wols_ | *IIRC |
| 05:25.52 | wols_ | ruben231: what does it run currently? |
| 05:25.57 | Bop | ive runned aptitude safe-upgrade and did not upgraded me to 2.6.32 |
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| 05:26.02 | wols_ | Bop: what new kernel? |
| 05:26.07 | Bop | 2.6.26 |
| 05:26.10 | Bop | er |
| 05:26.14 | Bop | 2.6.32 for lenny |
| 05:26.16 | ruben231 | wols_: its empty i think |
| 05:26.25 | cheako | wols_: We talked about that, but then users would need to setup the GCC runtime and that might not be possible for some. |
| 05:26.25 | wols_ | debian has no 2.6.32 in debian stable. you mean backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:26.33 | Bop | ok |
| 05:26.56 | wols_ | ruben231: then you can't install anything without physical access. however, hosters never hand over a server empty. there is some OS, trust me |
| 05:27.17 | wols_ | cheako: what runtime? you can simply ship it together with your app |
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| 05:27.32 | wols_ | "runtime" = bunch of shared libs |
| 05:28.21 | cheako | wols_: That's what we talked about... However this might not make it past security/compliance audits. |
| 05:28.29 | wols_ | ruben231: if your server runs any form of linux/unix, use debootstrap. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 05:28.31 | ruben231 | wols_: how will i install debian server through remote is it possible..? |
| 05:28.38 | puffin | Where is your leader? |
| 05:28.42 | wols_ | ruben231: yes it is possible |
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| 05:28.48 | puffin | The leader of the debian? |
| 05:28.54 | puffin | I want to speak with her or him |
| 05:28.57 | cheako | wols_: We have to consider that an AIX user is not going to be allowed to run anything other then AIX. |
| 05:28.57 | wols_ | puffin: there currently is a DPL election running. so no leader right now |
| 05:28.58 | puffin | I have some ideas for the defbian |
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| 05:29.02 | aburch | cheako: Why has you PHP frontend enough priviliges to install anything anyway? And how is this magically setup on AIX, ... with a user that knows nothing about computers? |
| 05:29.09 | puffin | Oh okay |
| 05:29.10 | puffin | Thank you |
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| 05:29.21 | liable | wtf |
| 05:29.31 | wols_ | liable: there are stange people on irc |
| 05:29.37 | liable | indeed |
| 05:29.37 | cheako | aburch: PHP -> TCL/Expect -> SSH -> ... |
| 05:29.38 | wols_ | do you think this was john titor come back? |
| 05:29.59 | liable | could have been aliens that wanted to be taken to our leader.. |
| 05:30.21 | ruben231 | wols_: what would be the process..? |
| 05:30.28 | wols_ | while debian should be flattered to be chosen for that, why via irc channel? why debian? |
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| 05:30.45 | aburch | cheako: And all that is setup how? When there is an admin, he could also install the additional Perl modules. |
| 05:30.48 | wols_ | ruben231: one possible one, depending on your circumstances yes. /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:32.11 | cheako | aburch: Automation is key. The diffrence is "Hit the go button." VS "Figure out on your own how to install this and get it working." |
| 05:32.31 | cheako | We get paid to write the application behind the Go button. |
| 05:32.48 | aburch | cheako: So you already have somthing that can setup TCP, SSH, user accounts, web server, PHP automatically? |
| 05:32.55 | aburch | cheako: Independant of the OS? |
| 05:33.17 | aburch | (eh, I meant TCL, not TCP) |
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| 05:33.46 | cheako | aburch: Correct, it's a VMWare image. However the 'server' is limited to CentOS/Fedora/RedHat, but the client's can be anything. |
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| 05:34.48 | cheako | As VMWAre's product is already "Download this file and hit the Go button", that's the solution. |
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| 05:37.04 | cheako | You know I think the best thing is to do what I'm doing, just check to see if apt-get exists. |
| 05:37.41 | cheako | After that the previously suggestions should be sufficient. |
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| 05:39.47 | cheako | hmm, I'm still missing a good solution for pre dpkg-version systems. |
| 05:40.14 | cheako | err dpkg-vendor |
| 05:41.36 | cheako | Is /etc/dpkg/origins/default new? |
| 05:42.15 | cheako | You know what about reportbug? This is something I can just install if it dosen't exist and then it has this information? |
| 05:43.32 | cheako | Looks like that's the file I wanted to read. |
| 05:43.39 | wols_ | !version |
| 05:43.39 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 05:43.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.25 | cheako | Yes, version. I need the distribution. |
| 05:45.15 | cheako | Well, I need both but once I know the distribution I can get the version however that distribution does it. |
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| 06:03.01 | Bop | why lenny does not have all apps like sid ? |
| 06:03.04 | Bop | :| |
| 06:03.07 | Bop | that sucks |
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| 06:03.53 | liable | unfortunate fact of releases.. |
| 06:05.40 | Bop | what ? |
| 06:06.11 | liable | do you understand how debian works? when stable gets released? |
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| 06:06.50 | Bop | first sid , then testing, then stable |
| 06:07.09 | Bop | but i dont know what is needed to pass from testing to stable |
| 06:07.35 | Bop | i need nicotine-plus , and its only available on sid |
| 06:07.39 | liable | yes, but once its stable, thats it. no new apps untill the next release of stable is released |
| 06:07.48 | Bop | just released that its not on lenny |
| 06:08.05 | Bop | it means stable does not get upgrades ? |
| 06:08.19 | liable | nope, just security updates |
| 06:08.23 | Bop | :o |
| 06:08.56 | liable | you can see if its on backports |
| 06:09.08 | liable | or backport it yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:09.14 | Bop | 'i've added backports |
| 06:09.33 | Bop | do i need any special string to search backports or is it global |
| 06:09.55 | liable | not for searching |
| 06:10.09 | Bop | its not available then |
| 06:10.13 | Bop | :| |
| 06:10.25 | macrobat | you would need unstable to backport a pkg, right? |
| 06:10.32 | Bop | yes |
| 06:10.36 | Bop | nicotine-plys |
| 06:10.38 | Bop | plus * |
| 06:10.38 | liable | on src |
| 06:11.11 | Bop | what's the origin of backport word ... i dont understand it |
| 06:12.40 | macrobat | make a new partition. put unstable on it :) |
| 06:12.56 | Bop | lol . i just installed lenny from sid |
| 06:13.29 | macrobat | backport, packages are ported back to the stable release |
| 06:14.39 | Bop | damn , there a difference between sid and stable software |
| 06:14.53 | Bop | ops |
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| 06:15.18 | Bop | looks like someone scewed package name in repositories |
| 06:15.31 | Bop | cause it exists nicotine and nicotine-plus |
| 06:15.49 | Bop | i've installed nicotine ,the only one available and its nicotine-plus :D |
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| 06:16.59 | Fuhrer84 | hi everybody |
| 06:17.50 | Fuhrer84 | hey i have a problem startin iceweasel it just dont start, i tried to run it from console but it shows this errors: |
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| 06:18.02 | Fuhrer84 | /usr/bin/iceweasel: line 147: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 06:18.02 | Fuhrer84 | /usr/bin/iceweasel: line 147: exec: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: cannot execute: No such file or directory |
| 06:18.17 | Fuhrer84 | does anybody know whats going on? |
| 06:18.31 | valdyn | Fuhrer84: who deleted that file? |
| 06:18.52 | wols_ | valdyn: the dog ate it! |
| 06:19.02 | wols_ | Fuhrer84: try to reinstall iceweasel? |
| 06:19.18 | Fuhrer84 | nobody this morning was working just fine this happend just a hour ago when i turn on the computer and tried to open it |
| 06:19.36 | wols_ | Fuhrer84: I'd say an fsck is in order |
| 06:19.40 | macrobat | /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 06:19.45 | valdyn | aptitude reinstall iceweasel |
| 06:20.14 | Fuhrer84 | wols_: whats an fsck? |
| 06:20.25 | valdyn | !fsck |
| 06:20.25 | dpkg | fsck is probably a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>. |
| 06:20.39 | wols_ | Fuhrer84: windows-debilitated people know it as "chkdsk" |
| 06:20.43 | valdyn | !forcefsck |
| 06:20.43 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 06:20.47 | valdyn | Fuhrer84: ^^^ |
| 06:21.49 | Bop | should i report this bug ? |
| 06:22.02 | Bop | about nicotine is nicotine-plus ? |
| 06:22.25 | valdyn | Bop: how is that a bug? |
| 06:22.43 | Fuhrer84 | ok so in order to run fsck i have to put this command on a console? "touch /forcefsck" |
| 06:22.53 | Bop | valdyn, in lenny reps , its says nicotine ... but it is nicotine-plus ... nicotine is other software |
| 06:22.56 | valdyn | Fuhrer84: yes, and reboot |
| 06:23.00 | cheako | Yay!! |
| 06:23.14 | valdyn | Bop: i see, sure report it |
| 06:23.18 | Bop | where |
| 06:23.44 | Bop | bug report ? |
| 06:23.47 | valdyn | Fuhrer84: id appreciate if you chose a less politically offensive nick btw |
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| 06:24.33 | Fuhrer84 | i dont see why it offensive its just a word in german but thanks for the comment and thanks for the help |
| 06:24.54 | Bop | ADOLF HITLER LOVER |
| 06:24.57 | Bop | :> |
| 06:25.10 | Fuhrer84 | yeah whatever bush cock sucker |
| 06:25.14 | Bop | looool |
| 06:25.45 | wols_ | bop, Fuhrer84: if you two like to get help in the future here, please behave |
| 06:25.53 | Bop | ok :| |
| 06:26.03 | Fuhrer84 | hey i didnt start |
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| 06:26.17 | liable | true, no need to continue though |
| 06:26.25 | Fuhrer84 | sure no problem |
| 06:26.46 | Fuhrer84 | once again thanks for the help |
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| 06:26.57 | Fuhrer84 | im gonna try the fsck command |
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| 07:08.26 | MikeChelen | can debian use ubuntu .deb's? |
| 07:08.56 | stealth- | Yes. In most cases |
| 07:09.11 | wols_ | the fileformat is the same, however the dependencies are different and we don't support it at all |
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| 07:09.26 | wols_ | so basically, you can but are totally on your own |
| 07:09.53 | MikeChelen | ah ok, it is worth a shot then |
| 07:10.27 | MikeChelen | actually there is a debian package too, but it is for a more recent release |
| 07:10.57 | wols_ | then the ubuntu problem won't help you since it usually needs even newer dependencies |
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| 07:12.10 | MikeChelen | is there any chance of fulfilling those? |
| 07:14.01 | today | i have a trouble with my Debian, when i install GoldenDict, i see : " error while loading shared libraries: libphonon.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. how can i resolved it ? |
| 07:15.25 | MikeChelen | today: try installing package "libphonon4" |
| 07:15.35 | sash_ | install libphonon4? |
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| 07:16.07 | today | MikeChelen: i still guess that, but i dont know to install libphonon4 |
| 07:17.03 | MikeChelen | today: sudo apt-get install libphonon4 |
| 07:17.47 | liable | how did you install Goldendict? |
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| 07:22.09 | today | MikeChelen: thank you so much ^^ |
| 07:23.06 | wols_ | ,versions libphonon4 |
| 07:23.07 | judd | libphonon4 -- lenny: 4:4.2.0-2; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.0really4.4.0-1; sid: 4:4.6.0really4.4.0-2 |
| 07:23.25 | today | okay judd, wols_ |
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| 07:23.47 | shylent | huh, nice naming: 4.4.6.0 REALLY 4.4.0-1 |
| 07:23.57 | shylent | its good to know what the version *really* is :P |
| 07:24.13 | liable | hehe, that lib reminds me of saxamophone.. |
| 07:24.33 | today | i have a goldendict.sh, how can i set it to autorun ? |
| 07:24.54 | today | how can i set at Launch every one>? |
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| 07:31.03 | today | i have a *.sh file, now i want to set this file auto run when i login Debian, how do it every one ^^? |
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| 07:32.21 | liable | when your user logs in, or when the system is started? |
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| 07:43.27 | Bop | today, add it to .bash_profile |
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| 07:43.52 | Bop | or /etc/rc.local u u want it to run from boot |
| 07:44.00 | today | can you show me for example Bop, thanks |
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| 07:44.40 | Bop | example ? echo file.sh > ~/.bash_profile |
| 07:45.04 | simonrvn | uh, might want >> |
| 07:45.14 | Bop | right |
| 07:45.43 | valdyn | thats fucked up |
| 07:45.50 | shylent | actually, what's the deal with the actual 'sysvconfig' executable being absent from squeeze? |
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| 07:46.04 | valdyn | Bop: thats evil, and certainly not right |
| 07:46.24 | shylent | heh yea, that '>' was a big typo :) |
| 07:46.35 | today | i have abc.sh at /home. can you show me a detail now Bop |
| 07:46.42 | valdyn | and adding it to bash_profile is evil aswell |
| 07:46.47 | Bop | why ? |
| 07:46.55 | Bop | its what bash_profile does |
| 07:47.04 | valdyn | because today certainly is not aware that every single X terminal is a login shell |
| 07:47.10 | valdyn | ( in some circumstances ) |
| 07:48.24 | liable | !autostart |
| 07:48.28 | liable | hmm |
| 07:48.37 | liable | thought we'd have a factoid for that |
| 07:49.08 | valdyn | today: what does that script do? |
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| 07:49.16 | liable | kde has an autostart file, gnome too |
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| 07:49.26 | Bop | xfce4 too |
| 07:50.54 | today | i just want to create shorcut for .sh file ,which i only double click to open , very simpel |
| 07:51.23 | valdyn | today: rightlock on your desktop and create a new starter |
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| 07:51.59 | valdyn | today: and it should be double clickable anyway if its executable... |
| 07:52.11 | valdyn | today: ( without an explicit starter ) |
| 07:52.54 | today | offcoures, i want to ask you, how do it like as " excutive file " |
| 07:53.05 | valdyn | today: man chmod |
| 07:53.11 | valdyn | !permissions |
| 07:53.11 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 07:53.36 | valdyn | !shebang |
| 07:53.36 | dpkg | somebody said shebang was the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
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| 07:54.38 | today | let me see ^^ |
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| 07:55.29 | Bop | anyone with wicd ? my desktop is missing the client icon |
| 07:55.40 | Bop | but its launched |
| 07:55.45 | today | i want to ask a question : i want to set for delete file , it must at Trash, but i allways delete file without Trash |
| 07:56.28 | today | this's my fstab file : /dev/sda5 /media/Relax ntfs-3g,defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 07:56.32 | valdyn | today: how are you deleting it? |
| 07:56.44 | Bop | dunno is trash is a dir , u could move to that dir |
| 07:56.50 | Bop | because rm is forever |
| 07:56.50 | today | i only click delee ( not shift + delele) |
| 07:57.02 | valdyn | today: sounds like gnome is broken that way then |
| 07:57.28 | valdyn | !rm |
| 07:57.28 | dpkg | i heard rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm foo), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper around unlink(2). To prevent accidental deletions, ask me about <safe-rm>. --preserve-root is a default option since GNU coreutils 6.4. Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. RealMedia (container format for RealVideo/RealAudio), ask me about <real codecs>. |
| 07:57.31 | today | i want : when i delete file , its must move to Trash, ( not delete with out Trash) |
| 07:57.46 | valdyn | today: yea, i dont know how to fix your gnome to do that correctly |
| 07:58.47 | today | :( valdyn |
| 07:59.07 | valdyn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/207566 |
| 07:59.10 | valdyn | today: ^^^ |
| 07:59.13 | valdyn | and i see no fix |
| 07:59.22 | today | like as Debian valdyn ^^ |
| 07:59.24 | today | ?? |
| 07:59.32 | valdyn | today: probably, i just clicked my first google hit |
| 08:00.37 | valdyn | today: its probably fixed in newer releases, i dont know |
| 08:00.59 | today | and what proble with " my wireless card " :( , my card wireless is " ipw3945d ") thanks valdyn |
| 08:01.15 | valdyn | !ipw3945 |
| 08:01.15 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:02.02 | today | let me see valdyn |
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| 08:05.58 | today | valdyn: i see that link and dont understand from " alternatively..... iface wlan0...." can you read an explain for me http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Loadingtheiwl3945.2BAC8iwl4965modules |
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| 08:07.02 | wols_ | today: what is it you don't understand? and why can't you use gnome network-manager as described there? |
| 08:08.01 | today | that's your mean as i should install gnome network-manager wols_ ;) |
| 08:08.17 | valdyn | today: loading the driver is done "modprobe iwl3945" |
| 08:08.21 | wols_ | I mean nothing. I asked two questions |
| 08:08.26 | valdyn | today: that happens automatically on a reboot too |
| 08:09.07 | valdyn | today: is the firmware installed now? |
| 08:09.10 | pmo | it takes about 5 minutes to compile kernel with core i3 and make -j5 |
| 08:09.37 | today | that mean: i need to add " iface wlan0 inet dhcp pre-up ip link set wlan0 up wireless_essid MakeTeaNotWar" to /etc/network/interfaces valdyn? |
| 08:09.51 | valdyn | today: nah, just use the network manager |
| 08:10.00 | valdyn | today: that is installed if you already have gnome, i think |
| 08:10.21 | valdyn | today: try running "nm-applet" in a terminal |
| 08:10.56 | today | i see: network-manager-gnome 0.6.6-4+lenny1 |
| 08:11.44 | today | when i turn : wiffi button" i dont see anything access pointl , is that mean i dont have wireless card ? |
| 08:12.29 | valdyn | today: did you install the firmware and load the driver? |
| 08:12.59 | wols_ | leans back and enjoys the popcorn |
| 08:13.14 | today | when i install debian, it detective my wireless card, but not install |
| 08:13.36 | valdyn | today: you need to install the firmware package as dpkg told you |
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| 08:13.52 | today | last time, when i run Ubuntu, i just copy 3945 file to /usr/sbin |
| 08:13.54 | today | that ok |
| 08:14.03 | valdyn | today: no thats not ok |
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| 08:16.10 | simplechat | Hey, is booting from raid considered stable on debian currently? |
| 08:16.15 | valdyn | I take it the "best" way to read large files from linux in windows is still ntfs rw? is there a sane way? |
| 08:16.26 | valdyn | simplechat: sure |
| 08:16.34 | today | valdyn: thanks, but i dont understand from these line: alternatively..... |
| 08:16.37 | valdyn | simplechat: if its raid1 |
| 08:16.40 | wols_ | valdyn: ext2 driver for windows :P |
| 08:17.00 | valdyn | today: you dont need to, you only need to install the damn firmware package |
| 08:17.02 | liable | today: if you have a 3945, likely all you need is the firmware if it isnt working |
| 08:17.21 | valdyn | wols_: is that one reliable? |
| 08:17.22 | simplechat | valdyn, what about raid 10? |
| 08:17.25 | wols_ | you two don't get it: he is ignoring you since he can't figure out what dpkg told him and how to do it |
| 08:17.29 | valdyn | simplechat: then you need grub2 |
| 08:17.34 | wols_ | valdyn: so far, yes :) |
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| 08:17.37 | today | i download that firmware now, but how do i make it work ? |
| 08:17.40 | pmo | valdyn, i usually add a vfat partition |
| 08:17.47 | simplechat | valdyn, why do you need grub2? |
| 08:17.49 | wols_ | pmo: "large files" |
| 08:17.51 | valdyn | vfat cant have large files |
| 08:17.58 | wols_ | simplechat: cause grub legacy can't do it |
| 08:18.07 | liable | today: reload the module.. morprobe -r iwl3945; mmodprobe iwl3945 |
| 08:18.08 | simplechat | kk, cool |
| 08:18.11 | valdyn | pmo: did you install the FIRMWARE PACKAGE as dpkg told you? |
| 08:18.18 | liable | oh jeeze |
| 08:18.18 | simplechat | will this work with debian xen kernels? |
| 08:18.19 | valdyn | ops |
| 08:18.24 | wols_ | today: what is the filename of your downlaoded firmware? we don't support firmware from intel.com or such. use the debian package |
| 08:18.26 | liable | nice typing liable.. |
| 08:18.28 | pmo | wols_, yep depends what you call large files :) 2 gig was actually large from my point of view :) |
| 08:18.48 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 08:18.59 | pmo | valdyn, ??? only vfat. i used to compile my own kernel |
| 08:19.04 | simplechat | or just standard debian kernels? |
| 08:19.23 | wols_ | valdyn: personally. I like an ext2 driver better, simply because ext2 is source available and for ntfs it's reverse engineering. plus, the ext2 driver is a IFS |
| 08:19.40 | valdyn | wols_: on top of that ntfs is very very slow on linux |
| 08:19.55 | wols_ | FUSE has its drawbacks I guess |
| 08:20.03 | pmo | wols_, yes.. also .. did, worked pretty well.. but ext2 is pretty old too... not sure what means IFS ? |
| 08:20.04 | valdyn | at least for large files it breaks down to 1MB / sec occasionally |
| 08:20.15 | wols_ | valdyn: the "sanest" way btw is colinux or such and samba |
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| 08:20.25 | valdyn | ok, thats overkill for me |
| 08:20.26 | wols_ | guaranteed working |
| 08:20.42 | wols_ | colinux is small. 32mb instance should work fine for samba |
| 08:21.07 | valdyn | yea, but overkill to install on various computers to transfer files |
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| 08:21.53 | valdyn | i might go ext2 |
| 08:22.12 | today | wols_: i think i download my wireless card from here http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads ^^ |
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| 08:22.32 | wols_ | today: that's nice but unsupported here. install the debian package as you have been told repeatedly |
| 08:22.36 | valdyn | today: we dont care about 3rd party stuff, you only need to install the firmware as dpkg told you |
| 08:23.18 | today | okay valdyn, let me see, thanks wols_ |
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| 08:25.28 | pmo | valdyn, ext2 means.. long check.ext2 .. since there is no journal / like ext3 . not the best when it comes for "large files".. each time you mount the partition |
| 08:25.50 | valdyn | pmo: i dont need to write from windows and it can be ext3 on linux |
| 08:26.21 | wols_ | if you use read only support, then the windows driver is a no brainer |
| 08:26.24 | pmo | valdyn, you'll mount an ext3 as ext2 on windows :) i see |
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| 08:27.29 | pmo | any1 in here, managed to be multicore as your process unit ? |
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| 08:28.09 | wols_ | pmo: english please? |
| 08:28.58 | pmo | wols_, multicore .. like processors :) sorry was supposed to be a joke.. but translated in english may not sound good, as it looks like |
| 08:29.23 | valdyn | pmo: everyone has multicore cpus, i dont get the question |
| 08:29.42 | wols_ | translatet it was pure nonsense |
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| 08:29.51 | pmo | valdyn, i just wondered if you managed yourself to be multicore like your processors :) |
| 08:30.15 | valdyn | hah.. |
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| 08:31.10 | pmo | but first time, i ever managed to compile my kernel in 5 minutes... with my new computer |
| 08:31.40 | valdyn | pmo: should be alot faster the 2nd time after the whole data is cached |
| 08:31.48 | valdyn | pmo: compiling should be mostly i/o bound |
| 08:31.56 | pmo | valdyn, 30 seconds improvment so far |
| 08:32.42 | pmo | valdyn, yes and with giga bytes of memory it can drastically improved.. not to tell about the memory speed improvment, those last years |
| 08:33.13 | pmo | got to go.. take care all.. and sorry for my bad 'jokes' ;-) |
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| 08:54.38 | Bop | anyone with wicd ? my desktop is missing the client icon |
| 08:55.08 | simplechat | Hey, what is the replacement for lcap for lenny? |
| 08:55.09 | azeem_ | maybe you don't have a systray? |
| 08:55.22 | pseudocrat | My sound in Iceweasel plays through my speakers instead of my headphones. Remedy? |
| 08:55.41 | wols_ | simplechat: London Coalition Against Poverty never was in debian and never will be |
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| 08:57.19 | Bop | azeem_, what is systray |
| 08:57.24 | Bop | i use xfce 4 |
| 08:57.31 | stealth- | Is there any way to appeand to the start of a file? |
| 08:57.33 | stealth- | via terminal |
| 08:57.37 | azeem_ | Bop: notification area |
| 08:57.49 | azeem_ | stealth-: yes, there is a way |
| 08:58.05 | azeem_ | not sure it does no require C programming though |
| 08:58.08 | azeem_ | not* |
| 08:58.34 | stealth- | Ah... I meant a easy way. I'll do it in python if need be, just a terminal operator or something would have been better |
| 08:58.46 | Bop | azeem_, right , that was it |
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| 08:58.58 | valdyn | stealth-: you cant append to the start, you can only make it look like it |
| 08:59.07 | aburch | stealth-: Something like cat a b > b.new && mv b.new b |
| 08:59.12 | simplechat | wols_, lcap was in etch but not lenny |
| 08:59.16 | valdyn | stealth-: thats for c or python or bash, same deal |
| 08:59.19 | simplechat | the package |
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| 08:59.42 | stealth- | aburch: ah, that would work well :) Thanks |
| 09:00.54 | today | wols_: i have a problem, whats that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/416052/, help me plzz |
| 09:01.14 | pseudocrat | Does anyone know how to get Iceweasel to play sound through USB headphones? |
| 09:01.19 | valdyn | today: i think we told you a few times already that we dont support 3rd party stuff |
| 09:01.23 | azeem_ | today: why do you ask wols_ ? |
| 09:01.33 | valdyn | today: everything you need is in debian, is documented and does not involve "make" |
| 09:01.48 | simplechat | like /proc/sys/kernel/cap_bound doesn't seem to exist under lenny |
| 09:01.59 | today | :(, valdyn actualy i dont know to resolve this error |
| 09:02.01 | valdyn | today: and on top of that we told you that you only need to install the firmware as dpkg told you |
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| 09:02.08 | valdyn | today: you dont need to run make at all |
| 09:02.23 | today | i dont understand whay that say valdyn, thats problem |
| 09:02.25 | valdyn | today: youre now trying to compile a driver that you already *have* |
| 09:02.39 | valdyn | !ipw3945 |
| 09:02.39 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:02.46 | valdyn | !non-free sources |
| 09:02.46 | dpkg | hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 09:02.50 | valdyn | follow that one ^^ |
| 09:03.04 | valdyn | and after that "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 09:03.13 | moes | !title toolbar |
| 09:03.26 | today | valdyn: im stuck at : Alternatively, Those who prefer usin....... |
| 09:03.39 | valdyn | today: abort, just do what I said |
| 09:04.18 | today | where do we need to start ? |
| 09:04.27 | today | valdyn: ^^ |
| 09:04.27 | valdyn | 11:02 < valdyn> follow that one ^^ |
| 09:04.43 | valdyn | 11:02 < dpkg> hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:04.48 | moes | My title toolbar has disappeared ...How do I display |
| 09:04.58 | azeem_ | moes: are you using compiz? |
| 09:05.04 | moes | yes |
| 09:05.09 | azeem_ | that'd be it |
| 09:05.16 | azeem_ | compiz isn't very much supported |
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| 09:05.27 | wols_ | today: the driver you want you already have. we don't support compiling your own. ask who gave you the driver source how to compile it if you must |
| 09:05.39 | azeem_ | moes: which version of Debian? What packages did you add/remove when this happened? |
| 09:05.59 | wols_ | today: you are doing the totally wrong things. install the FIRMWARE and it will work. don't install it and you never have wlan in a debian way. have fun |
| 09:06.10 | moes | Lenny...I think after adding cairo-dock and compiz |
| 09:06.20 | today | :( , whatever solution for me wols_, valdyn ^^ i only want to install for my wireless driver, |
| 09:06.23 | azeem_ | so you just installed compiz? |
| 09:06.28 | valdyn | today: i told you |
| 09:06.36 | valdyn | today: which part is hard? |
| 09:06.37 | wols_ | today: valdyn SPOONFED you and you ignore him |
| 09:06.42 | today | but i dont understand what dpkg said :(( |
| 09:06.51 | azeem_ | today: what part do you not understand? |
| 09:06.55 | valdyn | today: you dont understand what "edit /etc/apt/sources.list" means? |
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| 09:07.41 | today | im readdiing http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi, and dont know how start, |
| 09:07.46 | valdyn | today: ok |
| 09:07.51 | today | :( |
| 09:07.56 | valdyn | today: i told you to *abort* |
| 09:08.08 | valdyn | today: and *just* *do* *what* *i* *said* |
| 09:08.45 | valdyn | today: either you have a reading disability or a very shitty irc client, or i dont know how to help you |
| 09:08.48 | today | allright valdyn |
| 09:09.43 | wols_ | !vn |
| 09:09.44 | dpkg | Vietnam |
| 09:09.54 | wols_ | no .vn channel I guess |
| 09:09.56 | moes | azeem_, Lenny...I think after adding cairo-dock and compiz |
| 09:10.10 | wols_ | moes: don't "think" but check |
| 09:10.10 | today | i have dont this line : aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi , |
| 09:10.12 | wols_ | !version |
| 09:10.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 09:10.14 | azeem_ | moes: so compiz never worked correctly for you? |
| 09:10.28 | valdyn | today: thats a command you run as root |
| 09:10.35 | today | next step: i running modproble iwl3945 , it still okay |
| 09:10.47 | wols_ | today: what was the aptitude output? |
| 09:10.55 | today | nothing wols_, valdyn |
| 09:11.06 | valdyn | today: aptitude *always* outputs something |
| 09:11.07 | wols_ | today: that is wrong |
| 09:11.08 | shylent | impossible :/ |
| 09:11.15 | moes | azeem_, Compiz gaveme the ability to correctly display cairo-dock |
| 09:11.33 | azeem_ | moes: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 09:12.22 | moes | azeem_, compiz is working correctly |
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| 09:12.35 | azeem_ | moes: so what isn't? |
| 09:12.44 | today | You can see herehttp://imgur.com/nFFAY wols_, valdyn |
| 09:12.47 | wols_ | his window decorations (like titlebar) |
| 09:13.00 | azeem_ | that'd be compiz |
| 09:13.09 | moes | azeem_, The problem is I lost the titlebar on all windows |
| 09:13.19 | azeem_ | moes: so compiz isn't running correctly, no? |
| 09:13.19 | today | now, i must do what step ? wols_, valdyn? |
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| 09:13.29 | azeem_ | my question was, did you ever have titlebars with compiz? |
| 09:13.39 | wols_ | today: "/sbin/iwconfig" |
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| 09:13.58 | seniorake | let's assume I've got a computer and a TV. the TV is plugged into the PC via HDMI, meaning video + audio is provided by the PC. Now I've got a laptop |
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| 09:14.09 | seniorake | how could one stream the video data and audio data to that tv then ..? |
| 09:14.21 | today | mkdir or cd wols_ |
| 09:14.21 | seniorake | via WLAN for example |
| 09:14.30 | azeem_ | today: what? |
| 09:14.38 | seniorake | just as if the laptop was connected with the TV via hdmi |
| 09:14.42 | azeem_ | today: pastebin the output of that command |
| 09:14.57 | moes | azeem_, If compiz controls the titlebar then I have to say no |
| 09:15.08 | azeem_ | ok |
| 09:15.16 | azeem_ | if you remove cairo-dock, does it get better? |
| 09:15.35 | today | wols show me "/sbin/iwconfig", but nothing say for what |
| 09:15.44 | azeem_ | it's a command |
| 09:15.44 | wols_ | seniorake: icecast? |
| 09:15.53 | azeem_ | today: don't try to be more smart |
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| 09:15.56 | wols_ | seniorake: or videolan |
| 09:16.14 | seniorake | thanks for the hints! |
| 09:16.17 | wols_ | today: run the command and check what it puts out. like "wlan0" |
| 09:16.21 | azeem_ | today: if you should have run "cd |
| 09:16.24 | azeem_ | eh |
| 09:16.28 | moes | azeem_, Thanks will try uninstalling cairo-dock |
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| 09:16.58 | shylent | videolan can do a whole lot of things, yes |
| 09:17.14 | shylent | and lots of people don't even know about it at all |
| 09:18.51 | wols_ | today: no PMs please |
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| 09:19.10 | today | allright wols_ ;) |
| 09:19.12 | wols_ | run the command and show us what it outputs like you showed us the apt-get command with the imgur.com link |
| 09:19.21 | today | plzz show me more detail, |
| 09:19.39 | azeem_ | today: if you should have run "cd /sbin/iwconfig" or "mkdir /sbin/iwconfig", wols would have said so |
| 09:19.49 | azeem_ | today: we're past the point were we assuming any thinking on your part |
| 09:20.04 | azeem_ | so just type "/sbin/iwconfig<enter>" and pastebin the output |
| 09:20.26 | today | thanks for help |
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| 09:20.37 | azeem_ | you're welcome |
| 09:20.55 | azeem_ | where we're* |
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| 09:21.08 | today | azeem_: wols_ thats here http://paste.ubuntu.com/416061/ |
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| 09:21.41 | azeem_ | looks goo |
| 09:21.41 | azeem_ | d |
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| 09:23.15 | today | next step ? azeem_ wols_ ^^ |
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| 09:23.45 | azeem_ | today: you're done, the driver works |
| 09:24.03 | azeem_ | probably your next step includes connecting to your wlan, do as you always do |
| 09:24.23 | today | i think, my wireless card is iw..3945? i can see it in |
| 09:24.32 | azeem_ | 11:23 < azeem_> today: you're done, the driver works |
| 09:26.00 | Bop | what package is make ? |
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| 09:26.11 | azeem_ | Bop: make |
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| 09:28.42 | today | thanks for help : azeem, wols_ valdyn |
| 09:28.47 | today | bye for now |
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| 09:32.01 | Bop | damn |
| 09:32.10 | Bop | lenny is so way behind sid |
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| 09:32.44 | Bop | 2 hours use , and i've notice 3 essencial things |
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| 09:32.58 | Bop | that sid does not have |
| 09:33.02 | Bop | lenny * |
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| 09:33.26 | azeem | Bop: I guess they weren't critical bugs that ate your data |
| 09:33.37 | azeem | because lenny is short on them as well |
| 09:33.41 | Bop | not bugs, features |
| 09:33.48 | azeem | make the math |
| 09:34.00 | Bop | right, sid is way unstable |
| 09:34.07 | Bop | i had 1 crash / day |
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| 09:34.36 | Bop | well , more about wifi |
| 09:34.43 | Bop | system is ok |
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| 09:36.01 | Bop | the flash feature where i cant forward to X position sucks |
| 09:36.21 | Bop | that should work in modern operating systems |
| 09:36.26 | azeem | what? |
| 09:36.51 | Bop | i cannot forward to a position on youtube movie , that havent been cached |
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| 09:37.01 | Bop | it just wont play |
| 09:37.02 | azeem | what flash implementation are you using? |
| 09:37.23 | Bop | Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45 |
| 09:37.38 | azeem | ask Adobe then |
| 09:37.47 | Bop | right |
| 09:38.00 | Bop | but in sid i had it |
| 09:38.07 | Bop | i could do it |
| 09:38.28 | azeem | we can't do anything about it |
| 09:38.33 | Bop | ok :| |
| 09:38.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << is using Sid and happy |
| 09:38.49 | sash_ | Flash always sucks in linux, in every distribution |
| 09:39.11 | Bop | yeah , more like ir |
| 09:39.12 | Bop | yeah , more like it |
| 09:39.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 09:39.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | waiting for gnash to be completely functional |
| 09:39.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | another proprietary application will be out from my necessity |
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| 09:40.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | others being the nvidia driver and broadcom bcm43 firmware |
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| 09:41.11 | spectre- | ok quick apt-cacher question: is there a way to cache packages for both ubuntu and debian on the same system? for example have separate package storage directories? |
| 09:41.34 | Bop | i have bcm43 with 2.6.26 in sid , on my latop |
| 09:41.36 | Bop | laptop |
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| 09:45.08 | victor___ | Hi everybody! I have installed lenny on my thinkpad t410, but I'm experiencing problems that I'd never expected. I come from ubuntu, and would like to pass to debian. |
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| 09:45.55 | victor___ | I chose the "graphical" install. well, it does not load any module driver for my Intel PRO/1000 ethernet adapter |
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| 09:47.40 | victor___ | can anyone help me to figure out this simple point: after I have installed debian, can I quickly have a good-tuned system avoiding manual kernel compiles and so on? |
| 09:47.57 | liable | yes |
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| 09:48.01 | dboehmer | hello |
| 09:48.03 | victor___ | ok. fine. |
| 09:48.14 | dboehmer | how to configure X in current debian squeeze? |
| 09:48.16 | liable | an intel ethernet device is very odd not to be supported |
| 09:48.35 | liable | especially a pro100 |
| 09:48.42 | dboehmer | i want to configure my trackpoint in ibm thinkpad to support vertical scrolling |
| 09:48.48 | victor___ | liable: maybe can you help me to figure out howcould I solve the issue of my ethernet? I also have tried to modprobe e1000 on the running system but no way |
| 09:48.54 | liable | are you sure its that? a t410 is a new laptop |
| 09:48.57 | victor___ | ifconfig does not show eth0 interface |
| 09:49.04 | victor___ | uhm |
| 09:49.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !ipw2100 |
| 09:49.11 | dpkg | ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:49.19 | dboehmer | victor___, does lspci show it? |
| 09:49.19 | victor___ | I check. wait, im on ubuntu now. lspci should show it to me? |
| 09:49.25 | azeem | sh4d3sl4y3r_: we're talking about ethernet |
| 09:49.26 | victor___ | wait |
| 09:49.29 | liable | yeah |
| 09:49.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 09:50.02 | victor___ | liable, dboehmer: |
| 09:50.05 | victor___ | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 06) |
| 09:50.09 | victor___ | uhm |
| 09:50.12 | liable | victor___: the current kernel ? |
| 09:50.13 | azeem | dboehmer: xorg.conf is still used |
| 09:50.14 | victor___ | oops. |
| 09:50.30 | victor___ | liable: now Im on ubuntu, but at install time was 2.6.26 |
| 09:50.31 | aburch | dboehmer: You can create a xorg.conf if you don't like the default values. |
| 09:50.49 | dboehmer | azeem, i prefer using xorg.conf oder xorg.conf.d but i have none of those |
| 09:50.49 | victor___ | liable: which is the newest for debian? |
| 09:50.55 | azeem | 11:50 < aburch> dboehmer: You can create a xorg.conf if you don't like the default values. |
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| 09:51.00 | liable | victor___: 2.6.26 for stable |
| 09:51.07 | victor___ | ok it was that one. |
| 09:51.13 | liable | victor___: ubuntu may have patched it possibly |
| 09:51.14 | aburch | dboehmer: I have a ThinkPad as well and use this for the trackpad: http://paste.debian.net/69355/ |
| 09:51.31 | victor___ | mh |
| 09:51.41 | liable | !kmuto |
| 09:51.41 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 09:51.43 | dboehmer | aburch, do you know if this is valid syntax for current Xorg? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#xorg.conf.d |
| 09:51.53 | liable | victor___: ^^ try a kmuto installer |
| 09:51.57 | victor___ | lets say i install the system without net. what should I do then to install the driver? |
| 09:52.04 | victor___ | what is a kmuto installer? |
| 09:52.12 | liable | victor___: its just a kernel upgrade |
| 09:52.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | dboehmer : cd to /etc/X11 and run Xorg -configure |
| 09:52.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | that will create the file |
| 09:52.50 | victor___ | I dont get you liable, what are you suggesting me to do? |
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| 09:53.12 | aburch | dboehmer: Oh, the TrackPoint. I thought of the touchpad.., The syntax looks right, but I don't know if it works ;) |
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| 09:53.21 | liable | victor___: well first, google that chip from lspci. see if its supported in stock 2.6.26 |
| 09:53.30 | victor___ | ok |
| 09:53.32 | dboehmer | sh4d3sl4y3r_, can't i create new empty file and paste only the trackpoint related stuff in there? i don't want to statically store other values like screen setting etc. |
| 09:53.37 | victor___ | if not I'll try kmuto |
| 09:53.37 | victor___ | ? |
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| 09:53.50 | liable | victor___: if it isn't (ie ubunto patched their kernel) then yeah, try kmuto |
| 09:53.54 | dboehmer | aburch, i guess i'll just try it |
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| 09:56.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Have a question. Users using vanilla kernel or ubuntu patched kernel for their debian system won't get support from this channel? |
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| 09:57.26 | liable | not neccessarily. asking here how to build a vanilla, and the associated issues generally wont |
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| 09:57.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thats different .. |
| 09:57.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 09:57.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause previously i used to use the ubuntu patched kernel :P |
| 09:58.00 | liable | running a ubuntu kernel on debian is just too far fetched to contemplate :P |
| 09:58.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 09:58.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it worked using the ubuntu repositories |
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| 09:58.34 | mikeX | hi, I'm trying to run a new X server instance, with startx -- :1.0, but I'm getting an "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key.." message |
| 09:58.43 | liable | yeah well, issues with that, not likely to get help here at all |
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| 09:58.51 | mikeX | how can I get around this? |
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| 09:59.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | liable: thats why i gave up the practice . |
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| 09:59.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | specially if the issue is infront of abrotman :P |
| 09:59.27 | infinity0 | hi, one of my lvm disks magically unmounted itself overnight but it's still registered in /dev/mapper but not `vgdisplay`, and now i can't remount it because some part of the system thinks it's still mounted |
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| 10:02.36 | bbd | nea |
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| 10:02.38 | bbd | sorry |
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| 10:11.13 | jeeger | Greetings! I am trying to use the "testing" installer with the instructions from here (http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/installing-debian-from-a-usb-stick). However, now the install consistently does not find a network chip. On a previous installation with the same data, the relevant module (r8169) was loaded correctly. I checked the md5sum of the netinst image, and it is correct. However, the r8169 is found nowhere in the filesystem tree on |
| 10:11.13 | jeeger | the USB stick. What could be wrong? |
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| 10:11.45 | liable | you need the iso on the same stick |
| 10:12.18 | jeeger | yes |
| 10:12.25 | liable | the tiny kernel doesn't have networking drivers, it needs an iso to get the module udebs from |
| 10:12.28 | jeeger | I put them on the same stick. |
| 10:12.49 | liable | the udebs? |
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| 10:12.53 | liable | or the iso? |
| 10:13.00 | jeeger | Nope, the iso. And it is correctyl found by the installer. |
| 10:13.07 | liable | hrm |
| 10:13.52 | jeeger | Hm, where should the udebs be in the ISO filesystem? Can I install them manually and then load the module? |
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| 10:15.36 | liable | not sure where they are in the iso, but a bit of poking around, and you can find them |
| 10:15.53 | liable | i cant remember if anna or anna-inatall will do it |
| 10:15.53 | jeeger | i'll try that. |
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| 10:16.01 | liable | there is no dpkg |
| 10:16.06 | liable | in the installer |
| 10:16.06 | jeeger | ah okay... |
| 10:16.20 | liable | but if you give the full path |
| 10:16.37 | liable | i cant even remember if anna/anna-install takes a path |
| 10:16.52 | jeeger | ouch |
| 10:16.57 | jeeger | ill look |
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| 10:18.50 | liable | its been a while since i played with d-i |
| 10:18.58 | liable | there may actually be a udpkg |
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| 10:19.19 | liable | i cant recall if my memory is making that up or not! :/ |
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| 10:20.44 | jeeger | kk, found the debs |
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| 10:21.32 | liable | is there a udpkg in path? |
| 10:21.35 | jeeger | yep |
| 10:21.40 | liable | sweet |
| 10:21.41 | wols_ | liable: the hd-media should have the network chips. it's what initrd is for |
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| 10:22.28 | liable | wols_: depends. i cant recall everything about which image has which drivers, some get them off of the iso |
| 10:22.32 | jeeger | but how do I use udpkg? -i seems to do nothing, neither does --unpack |
| 10:22.44 | jeeger | nope, there are several nic-* udebs |
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| 10:22.52 | liable | udpkg -i /path/to/udeb |
| 10:23.17 | liable | then check vt4 |
| 10:23.26 | wols_ | jeeger: why do you want to install the drivers manually? the installer does it by itself |
| 10:23.30 | jeeger | nope |
| 10:23.33 | jeeger | he doesn't |
| 10:23.35 | liable | *should* |
| 10:23.36 | jeeger | no idea why |
| 10:23.44 | jeeger | "queued for later installation" |
| 10:23.47 | jeeger | Can I force that? |
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| 10:23.51 | wols_ | jeeger: and you have what problems installing with that? |
| 10:23.53 | liable | its pretty rare it doesnt |
| 10:24.03 | wols_ | ie without these loaded drivers? |
| 10:24.08 | liable | jeeger: using anna? |
| 10:24.37 | wols_ | jeeger: how big is your usb stick? |
| 10:24.42 | jeeger | 2gig |
| 10:24.49 | liable | thats what she said |
| 10:25.01 | wols_ | then there is no reason to follow this tutorial at all |
| 10:25.09 | wols_ | !tell jeeger about usb install |
| 10:25.17 | wols_ | heck, even testing installer is not necessary at all |
| 10:25.31 | liable | oh, is it a retarded guide wols? |
| 10:25.47 | liable | i spose i shoulda glanced at it |
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| 10:25.56 | liable | but i'm a lazy git |
| 10:26.13 | wols_ | well it tells him to use a businesscard iso |
| 10:26.21 | wols_ | that is retarded with a 2GB stick yes |
| 10:26.30 | jeeger | no, I used the netinst iso |
| 10:26.36 | liable | businesscard should have drivers built in |
| 10:26.39 | wols_ | then no network chip is necessary |
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| 10:27.23 | wols_ | jeeger: then why do you ask about it? besides: we had many people in here with various 8169 chips that didn't work in testing. strangely never one with problems that run debian STABLE |
| 10:27.30 | wols_ | so why don't you run debian stable instead, hm? |
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| 10:28.28 | jeeger | wols_: In my original message, I clearly stated that I used a netinst image. And I used testing, because it is a very sensible idea to use a recent debian version for a recent mainboard. |
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| 10:28.52 | wols_ | jeeger: to summarize: debian netinst doesn't need a working network chip at install time at all and please use the stable installer if you have a problem with testing. if you need to have new hardware supported in the installer /msg dpkg kmuto. and to install from a usb stick /msg dpkg usb install |
| 10:29.04 | wols_ | jeeger: it's a stupid idea |
| 10:29.13 | wols_ | testing installer is for testing the debian installer |
| 10:29.23 | jelly-home | jeeger: you're missing inside information that testing installers are unreliable |
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| 10:29.50 | liable | its rare that drivers are removed |
| 10:30.01 | liable | which is his issue |
| 10:30.05 | jelly-home | this is partly debian fault for overloading "testing" with more meanings |
| 10:30.16 | jeeger | That was my misunderstanding. |
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| 10:31.14 | jeeger | liable: The drivers actually exist on my image. I can't figure out how to load them though |
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| 10:31.40 | wols_ | jeeger: modprobe <driver> |
| 10:31.53 | crazypenguin | in lenny, if i use services-admin to stop apache2,then the /etc/rc2.d/S50apache2 file will disappear,then it has no function to use rcconf to turn up apache2,because the file is not there;if i use services-admin to start apache2,then the /etc/rc2.d/S50apache2 file will appear again. |
| 10:32.00 | jeeger | wols_: The modules are in some udeb that doesn't get unpacked/installed |
| 10:32.30 | jeeger | And I can't figure out how to install them |
| 10:33.20 | jeeger | okay, the extended install asks for a network driver to load |
| 10:33.22 | jeeger | :s |
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| 10:34.22 | jeeger | however, that does not actually load the module |
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| 10:34.40 | wols_ | jeeger: why do you want to load the module at all? |
| 10:34.52 | jeeger | because I need it for the network chip |
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| 10:38.23 | wols_ | jeeger: you don't need said chip for installing debian. so no you don't need that driver |
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| 10:39.24 | jeeger | I'll just try the stable installer... |
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| 10:43.24 | V4mpire | right i got the sata drive booting and now its having trouble loading in the IDE/PATA hdd while booting so it keeps repeating the process |
| 10:43.26 | V4mpire | any ideas ? |
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| 10:49.07 | wols_ | define "loading" |
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| 10:58.10 | jeeger | I just followed the "complicated" method of USB stick installation, and all I get when booting from the stick is a blinking cursor. Is it loading the CD image (which is the complete CD #1), or did I mess something up during the syslinux installation |
| 10:59.26 | NoReflex | hello! I have a debian stable machine with backports enabled. I've done aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade but it does not update packages. I need the backports for postgresql and aptitude show postgresql-8.4 gives Package: postgresql-8.4; New: yes; State: installed; Automatically installed: no; Version: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1. the version on backports.org is 8.4.3-1~bpo50+1. also in the ncurses view aptitude shows New Packages (707) |
| 11:00.27 | jelly-home | NoReflex: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy postgresql-8.4, please |
| 11:01.05 | wols_ | NoReflex: is your problem that apt-get install psotgresql doesn't install the backport? if so, read the instructions on backports.org |
| 11:01.17 | jelly-home | you may have forgotten to pin that particular package to use lenny-backports release |
| 11:01.24 | NoReflex | jelly-home: http://debian.pastebin.com/4u2Jh67U |
| 11:01.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone give me a guide to create an installable USB Stick using the Stable/Testing CD1 instead of the netinstall image ? |
| 11:01.46 | wols_ | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about usb install |
| 11:02.23 | NoReflex | wols_: I'm using aptitude... and it shows 707 upgreadable packages (not just postgres) but doesn't install any of them |
| 11:02.45 | wols_ | NoReflex: what is the output when you try to upgrade? |
| 11:03.41 | NoReflex | wols No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 11:03.49 | NoReflex | as if there were no new packages |
| 11:03.51 | jelly-home | NoReflex: right. So apt/aptitude doesn't consider lenny-backports as a Candidate for that package. Read the fine instructions on how to pin a package. http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 11:03.57 | wols_ | NoReflex: ALL output |
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| 11:05.58 | jelly-home | NoReflex: this is normal behavior. " |
| 11:05.58 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:06.20 | NoReflex | jelly-home: aptitude -t lenny-backports install postgresql-8.4 does the trick :) |
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| 11:06.39 | NoReflex | postgresql is the only package I need from backports at the time |
| 11:07.15 | jelly-home | NoReflex: that way, you'll have to to it manually the next time it's updated as well |
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| 11:08.29 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I think it's safer that way. thank you for your help |
| 11:10.45 | wols_ | jeeger: blinking cursor is syslinux since the kernel would output something |
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| 11:15.48 | V4mpire | ok nvm seems none of my accounts work not even root :/ and single user does do what it should |
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| 11:17.15 | wols_ | V4mpire: let me guess: testing? |
| 11:17.34 | V4mpire | no etch |
| 11:17.43 | sdsds | hello, after the last week updates, my debian squeeze stop to recognize correctly (as it always correctly did) my CRT monitor, any idea how to fix it? |
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| 11:18.11 | V4mpire | just trying to boot up to back stuff up onto a secondary ide drive |
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| 11:31.26 | crazypenguin | in lenny, if i use services-admin to stop apache2,then the /etc/rc2.d/S50apache2 file will disappear,then it has no function to use rcconf to turn up apache2,because the file is not there;if i use services-admin to start apache2,then the /etc/rc2.d/S50apache2 file will appear again. it makes me confused,please help |
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| 11:32.12 | abrotman | what problem are you actually trrying to solve ? |
| 11:33.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: hello |
| 11:33.39 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:38.10 | NoReflex | i've seen that mdadm can create raid arrays from partitions and disks? any good reason to use one or the other? I have 4 Samsung Spinpoint F3 that I want to use for a RAID10 array... |
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| 11:41.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_ : thanks for your guide, it worked |
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| 11:44.24 | blubberdiblub | NoReflex, if the partitions are well aligned, there's no problem with using partitions as members to a raid array. on the other hand, using the whole drive as raid member doesn't hurt if it's possible on your setup, tho you probably have to look out for unfavourable combinations of the superblock format and older bootloaders, if you want to boot from the array |
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| 11:45.28 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: not mine. part of the debian install guide |
| 11:45.32 | NoReflex | blubberdiblub: I don't need to boot from the array... I have another disk with system files (boot, swap) |
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| 11:46.45 | chronos | hey people |
| 11:46.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_: I know. but I needed it. Unetbootin method didn't work. And I desperately needed it for my notebook |
| 11:47.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the notebook cd-roms are useless |
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| 11:47.06 | chronos | I can change number of processes that I run at same time in some way in system? |
| 11:47.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | chronos: hello |
| 11:47.24 | blubberdiblub | NoReflex, then just use the complete disks as array members if you can |
| 11:48.08 | abrotman | chronos: depends what you're trying to stop |
| 11:48.21 | NoReflex | blubberdiblub: will do, thanks |
| 11:48.54 | chronos | abrotman, I'm trying to run more processes at same time, not stop nothing |
| 11:49.32 | wols_ | chronos: limits.conf maybe? |
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| 11:51.53 | chronos | hm |
| 11:52.48 | chronos | wols_, and I need to restart? |
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| 11:57.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm the google chrome is working nice : ) |
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| 12:00.26 | jeeger | ;hans |
| 12:00.29 | jeeger | sorry, wrong keyboard |
| 12:00.32 | jeeger | ^^ |
| 12:00.35 | jeeger | Ah, yes. install-mbr did it. |
| 12:00.39 | jeeger | okay, that worked. Thanks for the help, all y'all^^ |
| 12:00.42 | jeeger | but no ext4 in the installer. ah well |
| 12:00.43 | jeeger | Thanks. |
| 12:00.46 | jeeger | wols_: Install worked now. |
| 12:00.50 | jeeger | My installation finished without problem. However, now I get a grub error 17 when I try to boot my newly installed system... |
| 12:01.13 | NoReflex | blubberdiblub: could you also recommend a good chunk size for a database (big files) raid? |
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| 12:03.11 | blubberdiblub | NoReflex, no, sorry, but generally don't use too small chunks ;) it more or less depends on the characteristics of the disks |
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| 12:05.31 | NoReflex | blubberdiblub: I used the default value (64k) and it says .. md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid10 sdf[3] sde[2] sdd[1] sdc[0] 1953524992 blocks 64K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] [UUUU]; resync=PENDING... iostat does not report any disk activity |
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| 12:06.20 | JusticeI | hey guys |
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| 12:06.56 | JusticeI | I'm running virtual machine with Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-22) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) |
| 12:07.06 | JusticeI | and I got this problem http://pastebin.com/rj6DbFE1 |
| 12:07.52 | azeem | JusticeI: what problem? |
| 12:07.55 | JusticeI | could anyone help with it? conflicting packages are in newer versions than required, all of them been resintalled, conflicts remain |
| 12:08.05 | wols_ | jeeger: not even sure if testing can do ext4 installation |
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| 12:08.15 | JusticeI | please check pastebin above, I highlighted the problem in it |
| 12:08.19 | wols_ | !tell JusticeI about bat |
| 12:08.27 | azeem | JusticeI: package conflicts are not unusual |
| 12:08.37 | azeem | JusticeI: show us the aptitude errors you get when installing/upgrading |
| 12:08.58 | JusticeI | in this case, when installing udev? |
| 12:09.03 | azeem | so do that |
| 12:09.07 | JusticeI | alright |
| 12:09.26 | kromium | I installed iwlwifi driver then modeprobe'd it but the LED on my wifi button is not glowing.. I am stuck, can anybody help? |
| 12:09.39 | wols_ | azeem: wanna bet it's the testing udev problem? |
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| 12:09.53 | wols_ | kromium: did you install the intel firmware for it? |
| 12:09.56 | cahoot | kromium: firmware in place? |
| 12:09.59 | azeem | Version: 0.125-7+lenny3 |
| 12:10.14 | JusticeI | yup, is that wrong? |
| 12:10.19 | kromium | wols_: yes I installed package firmware-iwlwifi supposedly all I need |
| 12:10.23 | wols_ | azeem: yes he has lenny now but wants to install testing udev but runs 2.6.26... |
| 12:10.26 | JusticeI | it came with this Debian |
| 12:10.27 | kromium | cahoot: yes |
| 12:10.38 | azeem | JusticeI: 14:08 < azeem> JusticeI: show us the aptitude errors you get when installing/upgrading |
| 12:10.46 | JusticeI | in progress, hold on |
| 12:10.48 | wols_ | kromium: iwconfig shows wlan0? did you configure your wlan e.g. gnome network-manager? |
| 12:10.53 | cahoot | kromium: unload/relaod the module and check the last 20 lines of dmesg |
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| 12:11.35 | kromium | wols_: yes it shows ESSID is "" |
| 12:11.36 | JusticeI | wols_ nope, I dont want testing udev, but stable udev, current one was already installed |
| 12:11.49 | blubberdiblub | NoReflex, why does it say read only? |
| 12:11.56 | wols_ | JusticeI: can you finally do what azeem ask you to do? |
| 12:12.02 | JusticeI | I said, in progress |
| 12:12.07 | JusticeI | ssh to vbox works a bit slow |
| 12:12.15 | azeem | JusticeI: then stop chatting until you have the results |
| 12:12.18 | JusticeI | kk |
| 12:12.47 | JusticeI | http://pastebin.com/UaH9icKN |
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| 12:13.06 | JusticeI | it doesnt return any errors |
| 12:13.07 | azeem | there's no error |
| 12:13.13 | NoReflex | blubberdiblub: not sure...but I did a mdadm --readwrite /dev/md0 and now it says finish=157.3min speed=204620K/sec |
| 12:13.19 | NoReflex | so I guess it's fine |
| 12:13.42 | wols_ | JusticeI: what exactly did you try to do when the error came? |
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| 12:13.55 | JusticeI | azeem, mostly I try to goolgle any error in first place, I came with it to you guys after 2 days of trying to fix it on my own :) |
| 12:14.02 | kromium | cahoot: yes from the last 20 lines I understand that driver is now in place, but the last line says wlan0: link is not ready. No LED. |
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| 12:14.03 | blubberdiblub | NoReflex, yeah. there's also something about this read-auto mode in the mdadm manpage |
| 12:14.16 | azeem | JusticeI: you still haven't shown us any errors |
| 12:14.19 | kromium | oh wow |
| 12:14.20 | abrotman | kromium: did you unload and reload the module ? |
| 12:14.28 | JusticeI | wols_ , I just ran: aptitude show udev, and saw what I pasted here before |
| 12:14.34 | kromium | cahoot: abrotman : LED turns on :) |
| 12:14.37 | azeem | JusticeI: it's not an error |
| 12:14.44 | abrotman | gets a cookie |
| 12:14.47 | JusticeI | I never said there was any |
| 12:14.52 | JusticeI | I said about conflicts |
| 12:14.54 | JusticeI | :) |
| 12:14.55 | azeem | so what is your questions? |
| 12:14.59 | wols_ | abrotman: stop stealing cahoot's cookies |
| 12:15.04 | azeem | this is not a chat channel |
| 12:15.12 | JusticeI | my question is, what causes those conflicts |
| 12:15.20 | azeem | JusticeI: conflicts do |
| 12:15.21 | JusticeI | and how to resolve them |
| 12:15.28 | azeem | they don't need resolving |
| 12:15.33 | JusticeI | oh dont they? |
| 12:15.40 | azeem | eh |
| 12:15.45 | azeem | you don't get an error trying to install udev |
| 12:15.49 | JusticeI | is it fine when packages remain in conflicts with others? |
| 12:15.51 | azeem | why do you think any conflicts need resolving? |
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| 12:15.53 | wols_ | JusticeI: this channel is not the proper place to learn you about software engineering |
| 12:16.12 | wols_ | JusticeI: there is no conflict. you misinterpret the aptitude show output |
| 12:16.12 | azeem | JusticeI: notice that all conflicts are versioned |
| 12:16.57 | JusticeI | excuse my french but "LOL", how could I misunderstood the word "Conflicts" ? |
| 12:17.04 | wols_ | JusticeI: context |
| 12:17.41 | wols_ | this package conflicts with hal version smaller than X. since hal is not installed there is no conflict. however, should you try to install a hal package which version is too low this line will "activate" and show you the conflict |
| 12:17.58 | wols_ | that's all this is. |
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| 12:19.08 | kromium_ | abrotman: cahoot : reloading the module worked, thanks! can you tell me do I have to reload it each time debian starts? |
| 12:19.25 | wols_ | kromium_: it will load automatically from now on |
| 12:19.40 | cahoot | kromium_: might be the firmware wasn't loaded the first time - who knows |
| 12:19.42 | abrotman | kromium_: unlikely .. probably just you didn't reload it after instlaling the firmware |
| 12:19.42 | kromium_ | good |
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| 12:20.06 | kromium_ | okay |
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| 12:20.19 | cahoot | threepronged support |
| 12:20.34 | XTF | Hi. I've recently upgraded an old system from Lenny to Squeeze. This worked quite well, except now it doesn't boot anymore. If I boot using 2.6.26 and then reboot with kexec-tools to 2.6.32, it works fine. Otherwise, it shows errors about PCI no parent found and address space collission. |
| 12:20.40 | JusticeI | alright, thanks anyway |
| 12:20.47 | XTF | How come it does work with kexec-tools reboot but not when booted directly? |
| 12:21.16 | jelly-home | XTF: hardware initialized slightly differently |
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| 12:22.18 | jelly-home | XTF: this might probably be interesting enough for #debian-kernel, or lkml |
| 12:22.19 | XTF | jelly-home: Any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 12:22.43 | jelly-home | probably some obscure boot parameter |
| 12:23.27 | abrotman | or possibly a bios setting |
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| 12:23.57 | jelly-home | but it worked with .26, so clearly a regression |
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| 12:26.47 | jelly-home | XTF: #debian-kernel is on irc.oftc.net, fwiw |
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| 12:28.44 | JusticeI | there's one more problem, not related to previous one |
| 12:29.01 | JusticeI | sorry for PNG but obviously I can't copy text from tty |
| 12:29.02 | JusticeI | http://vvcap.net/db/tC1oSj8ekcflFjjYSlvG.png |
| 12:29.16 | JusticeI | this is right after a boot |
| 12:29.33 | azeem | what is your problem? |
| 12:29.35 | JusticeI | IPs are not assigned to eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:29.47 | JusticeI | they are when I run dhclient eth0 && dhclient eth1 |
| 12:29.48 | azeem | did you setup /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:30.01 | JusticeI | I believe so, lemme show you |
| 12:30.59 | JusticeI | http://vvcap.net/db/fqACsMdBtsLP0JxJxYRr.png |
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| 12:31.20 | azeem | "auto lo" |
| 12:31.28 | azeem | they are not getting activated on bootup |
| 12:31.35 | azeem | add them to the auto line |
| 12:31.58 | JusticeI | how should I construct these lines? |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | read the man page |
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| 12:35.04 | jelly-home | JusticeI: just add eth0 and eth1, space separated, on the auto line |
| 12:35.28 | azeem | aww |
| 12:35.33 | JusticeI | yup just have read man interfaces, added it and rebooted os |
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| 12:35.44 | azeem | JusticeI: there's almost never the need to reboot |
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| 12:36.44 | JusticeI | /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 12:37.18 | azeem | well, you did bring them up via dhclient, no? |
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| 12:37.29 | JusticeI | not this time, no |
| 12:37.32 | azeem | in general, interfaces are started/stopped via ifup/ifdown |
| 12:38.26 | JusticeI | thanks |
| 12:39.10 | JusticeI | yay, IPs were assigned during boot |
| 12:39.24 | JusticeI | such a silly thing, heh, thank you guys |
| 12:39.58 | JusticeI | grrr, no |
| 12:40.12 | JusticeI | still not assigned |
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| 12:45.32 | azeem | does the lenny netinst support wpa? |
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| 12:46.14 | telmich | something the Debianis may be interested in: http://www.nico.schottelius.org/blog/lenovo-x201-with-linux/ |
| 12:47.25 | Person24 | Hi guys, I'm a complete noob but im trying to get a motion capture server running that I've been sent, it says error with file system, forces a check, then says enter ctrl-d to continue or enter password, nothing I press seems to do anything, ctrl d and entering password results in the same flashing cursor, any ideas ? |
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| 12:48.16 | azeem | Person24: maybe the keyboard isn't connected? |
| 12:48.33 | Person24 | it is, and it works because hitting enter skips the boot loader timout |
| 12:48.55 | Digdilem | Person24, maybe boot onto a rescue disk and then mount this disk and check it from there |
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| 12:49.30 | Person24 | so you think it's a bit of a corrupted drive and needs some sort of external scan/fix? |
| 12:50.16 | Digdilem | clearly it's having issues, so yeah, a good place to start |
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| 12:51.14 | JusticeI | Apr 17 14:39:13 deb-laptop dhclient: bound to 10.0.2.15 -- renewal in 39220 seconds |
| 12:51.16 | JusticeI | Apr 17 14:40:36 deb-laptop dhclient: bound to 192.168.56.101 -- renewal in 1354 seconds. |
| 12:51.46 | Person24 | i have a mini debian usb boot drive, recon that has the tools to check the hd? like I say, im an idiot with linux |
| 12:52.00 | JusticeI | it's from /var/log/syslog |
| 12:52.21 | shadewind | I've heard rumors that running Linux on a Mac would cause CPU damage since the lack of a proper SMC driver leaves the CPU overvolted. can anyone with experience comment? |
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| 12:52.31 | JusticeI | it says IPs were assigned, but when I got loing prompt in tty, I log in, use "ip addr" and IPs are not there |
| 12:52.33 | Digdilem | Person24, probably. I would boot onto that. Run cfdisk to check the partitions are as you'd expect. (Don't write!) |
| 12:52.52 | JusticeI | so, how so? |
| 12:52.53 | foucist | can someone look at my 'apt-get update' error? http://pastie.org/924525.txt |
| 12:52.55 | Digdilem | Person24, then fsck the partitions without mounting them, then once repaired, mount them and check the data. Back it up if opossible |
| 12:53.49 | Person24 | ok I'll have a play, thanks for your help |
| 12:53.55 | abrotman | !tell shadewind about ppc |
| 12:53.56 | Digdilem | gl |
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| 12:54.09 | Person24 | a bit terrified of losing this data, it's business like stuff :P |
| 12:54.11 | shadewind | abrotman: this is about intel macs, not PPC |
| 12:54.17 | abrotman | ah sorry |
| 12:54.27 | shadewind | abrotman: no problem :) |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | foucist: you realize that etch has no more security updates right ? |
| 12:55.07 | shadewind | it's x86 although with a bit special hardware. this rumor I heard sounds like FUD but I wan tto be sure. |
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| 12:56.00 | Digdilem | Person24, without trying to sound too negative, it may already be lost. |
| 12:56.15 | foucist | abrotman: i'm on a vps, so i don't really have any choice about anything, i'm just trying to see if i can get a newer package |
| 12:56.21 | foucist | abrotman: for one program |
| 12:56.37 | Digdilem | Person24, so maybe mount first and copy data off before running fsck - fsck might nullify some broken data which could otherwise be repaired manually. |
| 13:00.59 | Person24 | hrm, when attempting to mount: "hal-storage-fixed-mount-refused-uid 2000 |
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| 13:32.19 | dpkg | < rahul> #kde seems to be about as knowledgable as #ubuntu |
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| 14:12.33 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:12.33 | dpkg | <maligor> they even attempted to turn me into emacs at the univ <AimHere> Do you mean 'onto' emacs, or does RMS have some sort of secret undergrounds basement where nerds go in, and emacs comes out? <AimHere> Emacs 22.6 ... is ... people! |
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| 14:32.01 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 14:32.01 | dpkg | <PhatJ> ugh - i picked the wrong week to stop sniffling glue <Supaplex> PhatJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glues just for you :) |
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| 14:33.33 | pishguy | hi all : who to resume on axel download manager |
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| 14:33.40 | mns | I've got two external drives, I'm transferring data from one to the other, should I use "dd" or "tar" ? |
| 14:33.49 | Reparo_Ordenador | holaa |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | mns: just once? or repeatedly ? |
| 14:34.24 | action09 | cp ? |
| 14:34.29 | icebrain | rsync! |
| 14:34.36 | action09 | yes oviously :) |
| 14:34.38 | action09 | +b |
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| 14:34.48 | mns | abrotman: I'm going to transfer from drive1 to drive2, reformat drive1 (it was badly formatted apparently), and then transfer from drive2 back to drive1. |
| 14:35.28 | mns | obviously I would like the permissions and such to be preserved. |
| 14:35.49 | pishguy | who to resume on axel download manager |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | how ? |
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| 14:37.25 | Blackhold | hi |
| 14:37.29 | icebrain | pishguy: I don't think you can |
| 14:37.30 | Blackhold | does anyone has a thinkpad? |
| 14:37.35 | jelly-home | !thinkpad |
| 14:37.35 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | Blackhold: ask a better question |
| 14:38.01 | Blackhold | my scroll trackpoint stopped to work, I'm doing all the ways to configure the trackpoint with no result :( |
| 14:38.10 | Blackhold | abrotman: yesterday it worked |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | trackpoint? or trackpad ? |
| 14:38.16 | icebrain | pishguy: it would require axel to save the info for each thread, and it doesn't, afaik |
| 14:38.20 | jelly-home | scroll... trackpoint? |
| 14:38.20 | Blackhold | but after an update, stopped to work |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | i think he means the middle button ? |
| 14:38.33 | Blackhold | I also installed a new kernel |
| 14:38.37 | orudie | good morning. Can you guys have a look at this? This is what I got after d0-release-upgrade on ubuntu 9.04 http://www.pastebin.org/154139 |
| 14:38.45 | abrotman | orudie: #ubuntu |
| 14:38.47 | orudie | this error I saw about 1.5 hours into the install |
| 14:38.49 | mns | Blackhold: look at the Thinkwiki |
| 14:38.57 | azeem | orudie: please ask #ubuntu |
| 14:39.06 | Blackhold | in thinkpads when you press the middle button and then you go down or up it do scrolls |
| 14:39.08 | icebrain | my scroll "zone" in my trackpad also stopped working |
| 14:39.12 | Blackhold | mns: is what I did |
| 14:39.15 | Blackhold | :( |
| 14:39.25 | azeem | Blackhold: what do you mean "in thinkpads" |
| 14:39.29 | Blackhold | icebrain: did you fixed it? |
| 14:39.35 | azeem | do you mean "in Windows on thinkpads"? |
| 14:39.37 | jelly-home | Blackhold: oh. I use my middle button for its $DEITY-given purpose of pasting the primary selection |
| 14:39.39 | icebrain | Blackhold: no. I don't use it. |
| 14:39.40 | Blackhold | azeem: in thinkpads forums |
| 14:39.53 | icebrain | but I don't have a thinkpad, it's a cheap HP |
| 14:40.01 | Blackhold | I haven't touchpad |
| 14:40.04 | Blackhold | only trackpad |
| 14:40.08 | Blackhold | and it is vicious! |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | azeem: some thinkpads have a trackpoint and a trackpad ... the trackpad has two buttons, the trackpoint has three buttons, left/right/middle(scroll) |
| 14:40.14 | Blackhold | :P |
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| 14:40.29 | abrotman | Blackhold: it's called 'trackpoint' |
| 14:40.43 | Blackhold | so then, trackpoint |
| 14:40.44 | Blackhold | :P |
| 14:40.45 | azeem | well, I know |
| 14:40.58 | jelly-home | azeem: clit |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | apparently some also have an overactive enter key ... |
| 14:41.04 | Blackhold | 360º scrolling is the best :D |
| 14:41.05 | jelly-home | er, abrotman. |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes .. i know that slang name also .. |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | and eraser and nubbie |
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| 14:41.38 | jelly-home | aww. |
| 14:41.43 | Blackhold | I saw that in mumuntu 9.10 some users had the same problem, but updating they solved |
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| 14:42.11 | jelly-home | Blackhold: I gather you're not using Debian stable? |
| 14:42.15 | azeem | Blackhold: what do you mean with "stopped to work" anyway, when did it last work, and what packages did you install/remove? |
| 14:42.26 | Blackhold | I also I'm looking to configure that using gpointer, but only appears one only device, and it is not the trackpoint :( |
| 14:42.47 | Blackhold | azeem: it installed gnome and xorg packages |
| 14:43.00 | Blackhold | jelly-home: I'm on squeeze |
| 14:43.16 | rmrfslash | I'm reading a tutorial on how to setup a dual-nic box as a router... for learning purposes. They're starting off by explaining how NICs are ordered e.g. eth0 eth1 etc. and they say "to check the order, look at modules.conf" which is the order kmod (I think) loads kernel modules. I can't find modules.conf on debian though. |
| 14:43.20 | rmrfslash | Is there an equivalent |
| 14:43.20 | rmrfslash | ? |
| 14:43.51 | azeem | rmrfslash: looks like an old tutorial |
| 14:43.59 | Blackhold | now I have it configured through udev (that is how it worked before) and through xorg rules |
| 14:44.22 | Blackhold | but if I use xinput and the device that tells to forums but it tells me that it don't exist |
| 14:44.34 | Blackhold | I'm looking for error but theres not a lot of info |
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| 14:46.00 | pishguy | why most users are using SIDUX? |
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| 14:46.34 | jelly-home | Blackhold: X input changes so often, I've lost track of it. The topic on #debian-x channel (irc.debian.org / OFTC) has some pointers. |
| 14:46.45 | jelly-home | no pun intended |
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| 14:47.43 | jelly-home | pishguy: that question makes no sense |
| 14:48.01 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:48.02 | Blackhold | thnks |
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| 14:50.23 | icebrain | shouldn't "aptitude -o Acquire::http::Dl-Limit=50 safe-upgrade" limit the download rate to 50kbps? I |
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| 14:51.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell rmrfslash about 70 |
| 14:52.16 | azeem | icebrain: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534752 maybe |
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| 14:52.35 | nsadmin | , versions xotcl |
| 14:52.37 | judd | xotcl -- lenny: 1.6.1-1; sid: 1.6.5-1.2; squeeze: 1.6.5-1.2 |
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| 14:54.53 | LuciusMare | Hi, I use lenny (arm architrcture), and it tells me that there is no candidate for "libc-bin" - how to fix this? |
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| 14:55.47 | nifty | If I use diff -Naur 1 2 > 3 - I don't get these, but I see them in patches, what are they about? |
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| 14:56.04 | jelly-home | nifty: that's just C code |
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| 14:56.43 | nifty | jelly-home: what is the purpose of placing those behind the hunks ? |
| 14:56.54 | jelly-home | behind? |
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| 14:57.14 | nifty | behind the @@ |
| 14:57.26 | jelly-home | nifty: pastebin an actual patch or part of the patch, please |
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| 14:57.39 | nifty | sure |
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| 14:58.08 | rmrfslash | If I were to install another NIC into a machine, would it be recognized/configured etc. automatically (these days)? |
| 14:58.10 | nifty | jelly-home: a very short patch here: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/92899/ |
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| 14:58.26 | jeff_hann | rmrfslash, yes |
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| 14:58.34 | jeff_hann | rmrfslash, what NIC? |
| 14:58.35 | rmrfslash | Or would I need to load the driver/module manually, add it to some conf file, etc. |
| 14:58.53 | LuciusMare | Anyone? |
| 14:58.59 | adb | LuciusMare, try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:59.02 | rmrfslash | just a theoretical NIC... let's call it one that's suppoered |
| 14:59.05 | rmrfslash | *supported |
| 14:59.11 | LuciusMare | thanks... |
| 14:59.13 | jeff_hann | it works outta the box |
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| 14:59.45 | rmrfslash | I have a homework assignment that asks to research a commerical router and describe how to config ACLs so I said, ehhhh I want to learn how to configure a router and ACL using iptables |
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| 15:00.05 | jeff_hann | man iptables |
| 15:00.09 | rmrfslash | so I'm trying to get a general idea about how to d so... the first would be of course adding a NIC |
| 15:00.25 | rmrfslash | (I already know a lot about iptables, so I just need the setup a router part) |
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| 15:00.53 | themill | LuciusMare: that sounds awfully like you're mixing lenny and squeeze. |
| 15:01.10 | rmrfslash | so my first step, if I were actually doing this would be to grab a linux box and add a NIC. So my question is, would Debian just accept the NIC |
| 15:01.31 | rmrfslash | i.e. configure it, load the module, make sure the module is loaded on subsequent boots, etc. |
| 15:01.48 | jelly-home | nifty: that seems to just be a comment denoting the type of block that patch modifies |
| 15:01.56 | LuciusMare | themill: afaik, no squeeze, and the repos i have in sources.list are also lenny only |
| 15:02.01 | Sarago | what's the command that tells you what kernel version you are running? |
| 15:02.07 | rmrfslash | uname -a |
| 15:02.14 | rmrfslash | I think |
| 15:02.22 | rmrfslash | yes |
| 15:02.27 | themill | LuciusMare: libc-bin is a very recent package -- it was only introduced a few months ago. No package in lenny will refer to it or depend on it |
| 15:02.36 | rmrfslash | or more specifically uname -v |
| 15:02.39 | jelly-home | rmrfslash: yes. debian uses kernel and udev features to automatically load drivers for hardware |
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| 15:02.59 | rmrfslash | or uname -r |
| 15:03.24 | rmrfslash | oh so it's udev |
| 15:03.39 | rmrfslash | "dynamic device management" |
| 15:03.42 | rmrfslash | :) |
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| 15:03.53 | LuciusMare | themill: that is weird, aptitude told me i need libc bin to have "localedef" |
| 15:04.33 | LuciusMare | themill: en_US.ISO-8859-1.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 60: localedef: command not found |
| 15:04.34 | themill | LuciusMare: where's that package from? |
| 15:04.47 | LuciusMare | what package? |
| 15:05.15 | themill | LuciusMare: aptitude will not have told you anything of the sort. |
| 15:05.58 | themill | LuciusMare: what's the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 15:06.22 | LuciusMare | "no package called localedef,however, package libc bin has "localedef" in it's description |
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| 15:07.49 | LuciusMare | themill: wait a minute, please |
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| 15:12.16 | LuciusMare | themill: http://pastebin.com/DvueXGpR |
| 15:12.40 | icebrain | azeem: sorry, I went afk. thanks for the link |
| 15:13.49 | themill | LuciusMare: Does /usr/bin/localedef exist? (It should according to that output) |
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| 15:14.01 | LuciusMare | no |
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| 15:15.35 | themill | ,file usr/bin/localedef --arch arm --release lenny |
| 15:15.38 | judd | usr/bin/localedef in lenny/arm: belocs-locales-bin: usr/bin/localedef; libc6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/localedef; libc6: usr/bin/localedef |
| 15:15.49 | Sarago | how do I search for package names? |
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| 15:16.39 | abrotman | Sarago: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:16.51 | LuciusMare | themill: you have been right |
| 15:17.14 | LuciusMare | themill: it removes the package locales |
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| 15:17.21 | icebrain | hey, unForGiVen is spamming (URL Free Porno Videos) |
| 15:17.26 | LuciusMare | so it was mixed with the squeeze one |
| 15:17.31 | LuciusMare | thanks |
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| 15:17.59 | themill | thanks, icebrain |
| 15:18.09 | icebrain | themill: thank you |
| 15:18.20 | Sarago | abrotman: that didn't work |
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| 15:18.50 | abrotman | what didn't work ? |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | !tell Sarago about search |
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| 15:19.56 | crazypenguin | "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root." now,i can't open terminal or synaptic and so on.....anyone would help me? |
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| 15:21.45 | crazypenguin | before this i use the sysv-rc-conf to turn down something wrong... |
| 15:23.08 | abrotman | then turn it back on? |
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| 15:26.05 | crazypenguin | yes!! |
| 15:26.55 | crazypenguin | but i don't sure if i can make it right again... |
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| 15:28.07 | LuciusMare | hides |
| 15:28.31 | crazypenguin | "Failed to run services-admin as user root." "Failed to run /usr/sbin/gdmsetup as user root." and so on.... |
| 15:28.56 | abrotman | crazypenguin: stop breaking stuff .. |
| 15:31.24 | jelly-home | ,file bin/services-admin |
| 15:31.26 | judd | bin/services-admin in lenny/i386: gnome-system-tools: usr/bin/services-admin |
| 15:32.48 | crazypenguin | sorry,i can't open the gtk terminal... |
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| 15:33.30 | jelly-home | ... as root? :-) |
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| 15:33.58 | nsadmin | why can't you |
| 15:33.59 | nsadmin | ? |
| 15:34.01 | wols_ | crazypenguin: so what did you do to get these great error messages? and please don't tell us "Nothing" |
| 15:34.49 | themill | predicts a borked ~/.Xauthority |
| 15:35.03 | abrotman | really? i was thinking he stopped dbus or something |
| 15:35.20 | nsadmin | "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root" is probably not the first error message, which should be more descriptive and specific |
| 15:35.33 | wols_ | wonder where he gets the error messages if he can't even open a terminal |
| 15:35.46 | crazypenguin | before this i use the sysv-rc-conf to turn down something,then turn up again...but i don't known if i make it ok again.... |
| 15:35.47 | themill | abrotman: heh... that's distinctly possible too with console-daemon stuff too, i guess |
| 15:35.53 | jelly-home | wols_: dbus notifications! |
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| 15:36.06 | themill | crazypenguin: stop being less vague. "turn down something" .... |
| 15:36.13 | wols_ | jelly-home: you mean he gets a ton of dialogboxes with error messages? pirceless! |
| 15:36.27 | jelly-home | themill: you want him to be more vague?! |
| 15:36.40 | themill | jelly-home: absolutely. I want to work on my ESP skills some more |
| 15:36.44 | nsadmin | no, just stop being less vague |
| 15:36.53 | jelly-home | nods |
| 15:36.58 | crazypenguin | udev ? |
| 15:37.20 | nsadmin | not udev. ESP. |
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| 15:37.33 | jelly-home | crazypenguin: I bet a reboot will fix things right up. |
| 15:37.39 | jelly-home | hides |
| 15:38.12 | crazypenguin | reboot some times.... |
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| 15:38.41 | crazypenguin | i get this wrong msg on destop... |
| 15:38.47 | nsadmin | crazypenguin can you remember a time when this all worked |
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| 15:40.16 | crazypenguin | 3 hours before |
| 15:40.26 | nsadmin | ok, what did you do next |
| 15:40.44 | abrotman | he turned stuff down ... |
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| 15:40.53 | jelly-home | then up. |
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| 15:41.07 | crazypenguin | use rcconf to turn all up......... |
| 15:41.28 | nsadmin | is that when things stopped working? |
| 15:41.33 | crazypenguin | then turn some of them down... |
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| 15:42.05 | abrotman | so what did you 'turn down' ? |
| 15:42.12 | crazypenguin | now? |
| 15:42.35 | crazypenguin | i don't remember at that time |
| 15:42.44 | jelly-home | I know mocking non-native speakers isn't appropriate, but... this is just too silly. |
| 15:43.13 | abrotman | crazypenguin: have you tried to reboot the system ? |
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| 15:43.22 | crazypenguin | sure |
| 15:43.43 | nsadmin | so you used rcconf to turn all up... |
| 15:43.51 | nsadmin | did this cause problems? |
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| 15:44.04 | crazypenguin | can't solve |
| 15:44.19 | nsadmin | not my question :) |
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| 15:44.46 | nsadmin | 3 hours ago you say your machine and os was working fine... |
| 15:44.53 | crazypenguin | en |
| 15:45.12 | nsadmin | what's en? |
| 15:45.39 | abrotman | crazypenguin: did you to turn everything that you turned off back on ? |
| 15:46.20 | crazypenguin | yes |
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| 15:46.53 | crazypenguin | but i use rcconf & sysv-rc-conf |
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| 15:47.18 | jelly-home | crazypenguin: please pastebin the contents of your $HOME/.xsession-errors file. |
| 15:47.25 | crazypenguin | sysv-rc-conf auto configure the rc6..... |
| 15:47.43 | jelly-home | crazypenguin: also, enable bootlog, reboot, and pastebin the bootlog as well |
| 15:47.52 | jelly-home | !bootlog |
| 15:47.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 15:49.33 | hyperutz | hello i have a problem with rtorrent with wtorrent GUI on debian...i add torrents from gui but the download does not start...can anyone help please ? |
| 15:50.04 | nsadmin | why don't they start? |
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| 15:50.16 | hyperutz | i don;t know they are added ok |
| 15:50.27 | hyperutz | i have open the ports in my router |
| 15:50.47 | nsadmin | does rtorrent/wtorrent show the status of the torrent downloads |
| 15:50.48 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 15:51.35 | hyperutz | yes in gui |
| 15:51.43 | hyperutz | has a refresh feature |
| 15:51.45 | crazypenguin | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | Setting up for TinyOS 2.1.0 |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | Setting IM through im-switch for locale=zh_CN. |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default. |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | SESSION_MANAGER=local/debian:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2581 |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-sPuUXL2581/agent.2581 |
| 15:51.46 | crazypenguin | ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3008): WARNING **: Failed to open file '/etc/gnome/config/General.ad': 没有那个文件或目录 |
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| 15:51.57 | abrotman | kind of like a pastebin |
| 15:51.58 | hyperutz | i keep refreshing but the won;t start |
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| 15:52.41 | themill | dpkg: tell crazypenguin about paste |
| 15:52.46 | nsadmin | hyperutz is there a log? |
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| 15:53.13 | abrotman | what is TinyOS? |
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| 15:55.09 | jelly-home | it's a real debian! |
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| 15:55.44 | LuciusMare | ah,geeze: /usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 80: localedef.glibc: command not found |
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| 15:56.14 | hyperutz | abrotman |
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| 15:56.24 | hyperutz | ./var/log/rtorrentlog |
| 15:56.28 | hyperutz | but nothing in there |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | did i ask for that ? |
| 15:56.37 | crazypenguin | i think i should do it by myself,thanks a lot! |
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| 15:56.44 | hyperutz | i;ve checked the ports and they are opened from my router |
| 15:57.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: solved his problem! |
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| 15:57.50 | ashmael | hi. |
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| 15:59.01 | ashmael | do u know what's the server and chanel for apache tomcat ? |
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| 16:00.29 | ashmael | or does someone have time to help me setup apache for lan webserver? |
| 16:01.06 | abrotman | for which OS? |
| 16:01.16 | abrotman | or ask #tomcat ? |
| 16:01.23 | ashmael | on win 7 x64 ... i know that i'm not really at the right place, but .. |
| 16:01.55 | PinkFreud | ashmael: so why are you here? |
| 16:02.18 | ashmael | there are some conf, and i really don't get the sh** from their guide |
| 16:02.24 | nsadmin | probably people don't know here. there is #windows |
| 16:02.42 | nsadmin | err ##windows |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | ashmael: trry #tomcat |
| 16:02.50 | ashmael | k |
| 16:02.53 | nsadmin | that too |
| 16:02.53 | ashmael | tnxs |
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| 16:04.22 | nsadmin | one thing we do know, you need probably j2ee runtime env or dev kit |
| 16:04.36 | amikrop | Hi, I have an external HITACHI USB hard disk. Quite often, I can't access from Nautilus directories that contain shortcuts to directories of the external disk, nor I can access the disk itself from Nautilus. This gets fixed only if I turn off the 1TB disk, wait some while and put it back to electricity again. The whole situation makes Nautilus hang really bad. Any help, please? |
| 16:05.04 | ashmael | i installed jre 6 and the server |
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| 16:05.15 | ashmael | but i don't know to config it |
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| 16:05.27 | nsadmin | don't link from fixed to removable media? :) |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | ashmael: ask #tomcat .. you're offtopic here |
| 16:05.49 | ashmael | ok ... for start first time geting into this |
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| 16:06.27 | ashmael | on tomcat for an unswer i'll w8 for 4-6 h |
| 16:06.31 | ashmael | sry |
| 16:07.07 | Sarago | anyone familiar with the Netgear wg111 wireless adapter? |
| 16:07.21 | wols_ | Sarago: ask your real question |
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| 16:08.10 | Sarago | I have one, it works for a bit, then drops and won't reconnect until I remove the device from the USB slot and reinsert it |
| 16:08.28 | pallgone | I have an issue with squeeze resuming from sleep, sound dead... aplay thinks it's there but I don't hear anything... nothing muted, I rmmod the snd_intel8x0 module and put it back in > works again |
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| 16:09.30 | nsadmin | so I got curious, I want to try making a very very simple helloworldish java servlet |
| 16:09.40 | jeff_hann | pallgone, reportbug |
| 16:09.40 | nsadmin | just somethign that says foo when I contact it |
| 16:10.10 | nsadmin | I just found I have javac, what do I need surrounding the code I would write? |
| 16:10.23 | wols_ | nsadmin: you ask this #debian why exactly? |
| 16:11.09 | nsadmin | because the infrastructure should be packaged, I just want to get it installed and do a brief acceptance test |
| 16:11.22 | nsadmin | if it's not packaged, my mistake |
| 16:11.34 | abrotman | nsadmin: install the java sdk .. then go to ##java to ask how to code java |
| 16:11.51 | nsadmin | oh, no, I'm not asking how to code it |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | then ask a better question |
| 16:12.18 | wols_ | he asks "what must I install to be able to have a hell world servlet" |
| 16:12.19 | nsadmin | I'm just asking what existing pieces I need: do I need a tomcat? |
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| 16:12.31 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 16:12.44 | wols_ | nsadmin: it's still the wrong channeö. but have fun |
| 16:13.26 | wols_ | P.S: come back if you can say "I need software X to do Y, what package is it in?" |
| 16:13.46 | nsadmin | if I have javac, does that necessarily mean (assuming I installed a package for it) I have the sdk? |
| 16:14.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:14.17 | hyperutz | heloo my torrents in rtorrent appear as [CLOSED] how can i open them ? |
| 16:14.22 | hyperutz | or let them be downloaded |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | hyperutz: did you read the rtorrent docs ? |
| 16:15.14 | nsadmin | he needs detailed status on the torrents... I'm suspecting the other end is saying no |
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| 16:16.04 | nsadmin | wols_, I need software X to do Y!!! |
| 16:16.15 | nsadmin | err wait, |
| 16:16.18 | nsadmin | that's not right |
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| 16:16.44 | wols_ | !tell nsadmin about search |
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| 16:17.32 | nsadmin | but speaking of X... I tried fglrx, and the driver segfaulted, and raised an unknown-reason exception |
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| 16:17.56 | nsadmin | kernel is 2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 16:17.58 | wols_ | whine at ati's doorstep |
| 16:18.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: tried how? |
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| 16:19.31 | nsadmin | made an xorg.conf according to something on the wiki |
| 16:19.31 | Bombo | which vnc client/viewer supports rfb protocol 4.1? i tried lennys packjevncviewer and xvnc4viewer, theydont |
| 16:19.45 | abrotman | nsadmin: how did you install it ? |
| 16:19.50 | nsadmin | installed fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 16:19.54 | nsadmin | with aptitude |
| 16:19.58 | Bombo | s/packje/packets / |
| 16:20.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: and you've checked the BTS ? |
| 16:20.27 | nsadmin | and fglrx-control which pulled opengl |
| 16:20.31 | nsadmin | no sure didn't |
| 16:20.34 | nsadmin | one sec |
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| 16:20.42 | wols_ | Bombo: rdesktop |
| 16:21.02 | wols_ | Bombo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rdp&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 16:22.55 | nsadmin | no reports found in package fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 16:23.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: you probably need to check the main package |
| 16:23.54 | nsadmin | what would the name of that package be? |
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| 16:24.23 | Bombo | wols_: hm doesnt connect to the vnc server... |
| 16:24.51 | nsadmin | I mean I was thinking of trying a nonxen kernel but -damn-, I want to use xen |
| 16:24.52 | wols_ | Bombo: you asked for a rdp client, didn't you? |
| 16:25.42 | Bombo | wols_: nope, rfb |
| 16:26.25 | wols_ | !tell Bombo about search |
| 16:26.31 | nsadmin | how do I search bts for packages whose name contains a string |
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| 16:26.55 | Bombo | hmmm xvnc4viewer says No matching security types |
| 16:27.20 | nsadmin | maybe I'll search packages for that first |
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| 16:28.16 | nsadmin | that;s better |
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| 16:29.16 | MTeck-ricer | Is there any chance somebody could pastebin their sources.list? I think mine got screwed up pretty bad |
| 16:29.34 | Bombo | non of the vnc viewers i found support encryption, that seems to be the problem |
| 16:29.56 | wols_ | there is no vnc encryption standard me thinks |
| 16:29.56 | NiLon | Bombo use ssh tunnel? |
| 16:29.57 | nsadmin | start with deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 16:30.03 | MTeck-ricer | Bombo: you try freenx? |
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| 16:30.39 | nsadmin | , versions fglrx-driver |
| 16:30.42 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-3; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-3 |
| 16:30.43 | Bombo | NiLon: remote is a win machine without ssh |
| 16:30.44 | MTeck-ricer | nsadmin: all I have in there is security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org on a fresh install :S |
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| 16:31.03 | Bombo | MTeck-ricer: nope |
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| 16:31.17 | MTeck-ricer | nsadmin: it's http://http.** ? |
| 16:31.18 | nsadmin | MTeck-ricer, so put that line in and it will help |
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| 16:31.57 | NiLon | Bombo you could still use like putty :) |
| 16:32.22 | wols_ | NiLon: putty is a ssh server now? cool! |
| 16:32.37 | NiLon | wols_ where you need server to make tunnel |
| 16:32.43 | nsadmin | MTeck-ricer, should work |
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| 16:33.09 | Bombo | NiLon: ish dont think so |
| 16:33.12 | MTeck-ricer | nsadmin: :D - thanks |
| 16:33.35 | nsadmin | it actually cnames to ftp. and then you get a round robin |
| 16:34.08 | wols_ | Bombo: check your windows vnc server and what clients it supports |
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| 16:34.47 | abrotman | MTeck-ricer: which country are you in ? |
| 16:34.54 | nsadmin | MTeck-ricer, then if you want the nonfree stuff you can add it |
| 16:34.58 | MTeck-ricer | abrotman: US |
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| 16:35.11 | nsadmin | which side? |
| 16:35.15 | abrotman | MTeck-ricer: which state ? |
| 16:35.16 | MTeck-ricer | SD |
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| 16:35.27 | abrotman | hold on .. there's a ND mirror |
| 16:35.28 | Bombo | wols_: its realvnc server, probably the only prob is encryption |
| 16:35.48 | abrotman | MTeck-ricer: are you using lenny ? |
| 16:35.56 | nsadmin | if you're hip to m4 I have a sources.list.m4 |
| 16:36.02 | MTeck-ricer | ya, I am |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | MTeck-ricer: use "deb http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/mirrors/debian/ lenny main" |
| 16:36.24 | Bombo | xvnc4viewer on linux side is VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Jan 30 2009 19:33:16 |
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| 16:36.44 | MTeck-ricer | thanks :) |
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| 16:37.35 | Bombo | Encryption is not currently supported by VNC Free Edition. |
| 16:37.37 | Bombo | crap |
| 16:38.12 | wols_ | Bombo: ultravnc |
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| 16:38.41 | nsadmin | here's the log I made by doing X > x.log 2>&1 |
| 16:38.45 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1865047 |
| 16:38.51 | Bombo | wols_: ultravnc what? ... supports encryption? |
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| 16:39.44 | Bombo | E: Couldn't find package ultravnc |
| 16:39.56 | nsadmin | , versions ultravnc |
| 16:39.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ultravnc' was found. |
| 16:40.23 | nsadmin | you'll have to jump out of the box for that one |
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| 16:40.36 | wols_ | Bombo: it's a free windows vncserver with encryption. unlike realvnc |
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| 16:41.05 | nsadmin | but wouldn't the player have to support encryption"? |
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| 16:42.02 | Bombo | wols_: there doesnt seem to be a linux version for the client at least |
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| 16:42.49 | wols_ | *facepalm* |
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| 16:42.58 | nsadmin | so I need something that would serve a servlet... what are some sets of packages that would do that |
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| 16:43.26 | albech_ | can anyone recommend a good program for making network diagrams? |
| 16:43.38 | nsadmin | dia, xfig, inkscape |
| 16:43.43 | nsadmin | gimp maybe |
| 16:44.05 | nsadmin | but gimp doesn't have selectable objects like the others do |
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| 16:45.26 | albech_ | nsadmin, thanks i will look at those |
| 16:45.42 | Sarago | so my wg111 wireless adapter is defective, any recommendations on good usb adapters for linux? |
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| 16:48.03 | silner | Hi there! When I installed Debian Squeeze I got a message saying there was some firmware missing relating to my Ethernet card and so the Network manager might not work properly. It suggested I needed to enable the non-free repo to get this firmware as it wasn't an open driver. So I clicked OK and the installer went on. After finishing the install the system started and everything worked but the NM applet always shows as disconnected, even though the network |
| 16:48.20 | nsadmin | here's the log I made by doing X > x.log 2>&1 http://pastebin.ca/1865047 and here's the config file I was using at the time http://pastebin.ca/1865074 |
| 16:48.44 | nsadmin | uname -r is 2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 16:49.10 | nsadmin | found a segfault bug but it applies to the fglrx in sid |
| 16:50.15 | nsadmin | silner: so now, you have to get the firmware for the card you're using into the machine so it can be loaded into the card |
| 16:50.16 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 16:51.05 | silner | nsadmin: but how do I know what it's called? To search? |
| 16:51.14 | nsadmin | once you do that, I'd suggest editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:51.52 | nsadmin | silner: show the relevent line of the output of lspci -nn |
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| 16:52.52 | silner | nsadmin: that would be... |
| 16:52.58 | silner | Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 03) |
| 16:53.23 | nsadmin | the whole line of the output of lspci -nn (something is missing) |
| 16:54.20 | silner | Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller [8086:2449] (rev 03) |
| 16:54.20 | nsadmin | then we'll get judd to weigh in |
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| 16:54.24 | nsadmin | theree it is |
| 16:54.39 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:2449] |
| 16:54.41 | judd | [8086:2449] is '82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2449 |
| 16:55.00 | nsadmin | it's an ether express pro?? |
| 16:55.08 | nsadmin | try those drivers |
| 16:55.12 | silner | That seems right |
| 16:55.30 | nsadmin | no eepro I ever had needed firmware :) |
| 16:56.00 | silner | That's what's odd nsadmin - I'm actually wondering if it's abug? |
| 16:56.12 | nsadmin | so... try modprobe e100 |
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| 16:56.28 | silner | I'm pretty sure that card works with Fedora and they are harder with firmware aren't they? |
| 16:56.29 | nsadmin | dunno, let's find out if it actually works |
| 16:56.50 | nsadmin | did the modprobe succeed? |
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| 16:57.48 | silner | if you mean I have to type that no it didn't nsadmin |
| 16:59.19 | nsadmin | ok, not sure where we are. |
| 16:59.23 | nsadmin | did you try it? |
| 17:00.09 | silner | I typed "modprobe e100" sans quotes nsadmin and I got... |
| 17:00.18 | silner | modprobe: command not found |
| 17:00.32 | nsadmin | oh ok, you should do it as root |
| 17:00.43 | silner | Oh yeah good point |
| 17:00.56 | nsadmin | plain users, it wouldn't be in their path (that's why not found probably) |
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| 17:02.04 | silner | Well I did it with su -c "modprobe e100" and it comes back with nothing - no error - no output |
| 17:02.23 | nsadmin | ok no output is almost always good news |
| 17:02.30 | nsadmin | now try |
| 17:02.42 | nsadmin | ifconfig eth0 |
| 17:02.54 | nsadmin | do you get: error? paragraph? |
| 17:03.05 | silner | I think it's actually all working. My opinion is the applet is displaying wrongly and that's the extent of the issue |
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| 17:03.20 | nsadmin | you should also look at the end of your dmesg |
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| 17:03.26 | silner | nsadmin: no no output al all just goes straight back to prompt |
| 17:03.34 | Devil_Kin | anyone any idea what might cause my display to go completly blank after starting X? I'm using the latest intel driver |
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| 17:03.40 | nsadmin | ifconfig eth0 has no output? |
| 17:03.43 | Devil_Kin | there's nothign usefull in the logs, machine is usable over SSH |
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| 17:04.45 | nsadmin | that's very strange |
| 17:04.51 | chosig | I have a strange problem with Debian on my HP DV2-1100 laptop, I got the sound working - but I only got sound out of the left speaker (no stereo sound here)... any suggestions? |
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| 17:05.21 | silner | nsadmin: that gives paragraph of output but looks normal |
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| 17:05.23 | chosig | When I run alsamixer I don't get the "dual" gauges I'm used to on my other computer |
| 17:05.27 | nsadmin | oh ok. |
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| 17:06.00 | nsadmin | so you have a working eth0 now, but it's not arranged to load the module at boot |
| 17:06.11 | silner | In factor nsa everytihng is as it should be at cli level - from what I read anyway - it's only at Gnome level it looks wrong |
| 17:06.33 | nsadmin | you don't need gnome anything... |
| 17:06.49 | nsadmin | not for network config |
| 17:07.08 | silner | not really nsadmin no |
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| 17:07.20 | silner | nsadmin: I see it more as cosmetic problem |
| 17:07.23 | jhutchins_lt | For a static wired network there's really no need for a network applet, it's a set-and-forget thing. |
| 17:07.24 | nsadmin | what is your machine connected to? is it a desktop? is this a permanent (moreorless) installation? |
| 17:07.35 | silner | The applet isn't showing what it's meant to show |
| 17:08.09 | silner | nsadmin: it's desktop connected by cat cable to a router |
| 17:08.29 | silner | ADSL if that matters |
| 17:08.30 | nsadmin | ok, do you see yourself moving this desktop around pretty often? |
| 17:08.45 | silner | No - never |
| 17:08.51 | nsadmin | ok, then: |
| 17:09.02 | nsadmin | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:09.09 | nsadmin | add these lines: |
| 17:09.20 | nsadmin | auto eth0 |
| 17:09.34 | nsadmin | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:09.37 | nsadmin | save the file |
| 17:09.45 | nsadmin | then run: |
| 17:09.57 | silner | I will do that |
| 17:09.59 | nsadmin | ifup eth0 |
| 17:10.15 | Digdilem | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/1/128 |
| 17:10.37 | nsadmin | april fool joke? :) |
| 17:10.47 | Digdilem | dunno, but tickled me :) |
| 17:10.56 | Digdilem | date fits, so you could be right |
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| 17:11.51 | jelly-home | "could", heh |
| 17:12.16 | Digdilem | yeah, fooled me.. |
| 17:12.23 | silner | Thanks nsadmin |
| 17:12.30 | jelly-home | does echo "flags +lm" >> /proc/cpuinfo to get 64bit support |
| 17:12.33 | silner | Have to get food now |
| 17:13.13 | wols_ | jelly-home: thanks for that tip! |
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| 17:13.35 | crazypenguin | 8-) i am back! |
| 17:13.41 | jelly-home | /o\ |
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| 17:14.18 | wols_ | crazypenguin: please don't threaten us |
| 17:14.26 | crazypenguin | ... |
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| 17:15.25 | dkr | recommends crazypenguin read up on why the penguin is linux's mascot, :) |
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| 17:16.14 | nsadmin | I thought because penguins are cute |
| 17:16.38 | nsadmin | isnt' that what linus' reason was |
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| 17:18.49 | dkr | no, because one threatened him at the zoo, :) |
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| 17:19.47 | crazypenguin | i think i use rcconf and sysv-rc-conf at the same time make the configure of rc6 and rcS be wrong.......the most deadly is i don't know udev should start at rcS,not rc2.... |
| 17:20.04 | dkr | "Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had." -- Linus Torvalds |
| 17:20.27 | dkr | or maybe not zoo |
| 17:20.52 | jelly-home | crazypenguin: please pastebin the output of ls -ld /etc/rc?.d/[KS]* |
| 17:21.03 | crazypenguin | i am Chinese and my English is not so good... |
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| 17:21.30 | jelly-home | !cn |
| 17:21.30 | dpkg | cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 17:21.40 | vlt | Hello. Why do I need to become root to run debootstrap? |
| 17:22.04 | barraponto | i'm trying to install kde4 in debian. |
| 17:22.18 | jelly-home | vlt: chroot can only be invoked as root |
| 17:22.26 | barraponto | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html points to enabling sid, but instructions are actually for SQUEEZE |
| 17:22.30 | Sarago | Anyone know of a good wireless adapter for linux that runs at 54? I've had to revert to my 11Mbps adapter as my Netgear wg111 is apparently defective |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | barraponto: are you running lenny ? |
| 17:23.07 | jelly-home | vlt: also, anything other than root would muck up file ownership and permissions |
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| 17:24.18 | barraponto | abrotman: just installed the basics from netinstall |
| 17:24.27 | barraponto | abrotman: lenny, yes. |
| 17:24.30 | abrotman | lenny? squeeze? |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | barraponto: ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net if there are any current kde4 backports for lenny |
| 17:24.50 | vlt | jelly-home: hmm, ok. Thanks |
| 17:24.54 | jelly-home | barraponto: no kde4 for you, then |
| 17:25.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: there aren't, once upon a time there was an old 4.1 build |
| 17:25.28 | barraponto | jelly-home: why? can't i upgrade my packages to squeeze if i want? |
| 17:25.31 | abrotman | yeah, wasn't sure if they were still doing it |
| 17:25.59 | abrotman | you can move your whole system to squeeze |
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| 17:26.11 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 17:26.29 | barraponto | abrotman: ok. should i just change my sources.list to point to squeeze, then apt-get upgrade, or is there more to it? |
| 17:26.39 | jelly-home | barraponto: that is an option, but testing's in flux and buggy |
| 17:26.44 | abrotman | !tell barraponto about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:26.53 | vlt | Does anyone know a decent text-to-speech tool for German? |
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| 17:27.08 | jelly-home | barraponto: also, /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
| 17:27.13 | hramrach | is the bash 'compgen' command completely useless for non-file completions or is just teh documentation complete crap? |
| 17:27.33 | barraponto | jelly-home: then should i move to sid? |
| 17:27.42 | abrotman | no |
| 17:27.42 | barraponto | !tell me about lenny->sid |
| 17:27.50 | abrotman | barraponto: do NOT use sid |
| 17:27.50 | jelly-home | barraponto: sid's worse |
| 17:28.15 | jelly-home | barraponto: I suggest first getting a new kernel from lenny-backports and booting into that before making a swtchover to squeeze, if you're going to do that. |
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| 17:28.26 | jelly-home | barraponto: that will get you around the squeeze udev issue |
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| 17:30.44 | jelly-home | hramrach: I'm not a bash user. That said, you could always learn from example and pick apart the contents of bash-completion package |
| 17:30.51 | crazypenguin | oh! i forgot to say i had solved my problem at that time8-) |
| 17:31.11 | barraponto | jelly-home: oh thanks. |
| 17:31.16 | barraponto | abrotman: thanks as well |
| 17:31.56 | hramrach | jelly-home: it does not work |
| 17:31.57 | barraponto | abrotman:jelly-home: i spent one night downloading the packages from the local mirror, then i found myself stuck in the udev issue... i have just formatted my pc... |
| 17:32.03 | crazypenguin | thank you so much! |
| 17:32.14 | wols_ | barraponto: then testing is not for you |
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| 17:32.54 | jelly-home | !nopony barraponto |
| 17:32.54 | dpkg | barraponto: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 17:36.21 | crazypenguin | in boot log,"Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.conf)...done." i want to know which boot startup make that information? |
| 17:36.40 | blubberdiblub | hramrach, it works for me (for example it completes the commands after "aptitude"). have you installed the package "bash-completion"? |
| 17:37.13 | dawning | Anyone know if it's feasible to make an arbitrary uid an alias of some other uid? |
| 17:37.22 | hramrach | blubberdiblub: yes, after removing some stuff it works for me as well |
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| 17:41.25 | linduxed | currently i'm using ntp to have my time set correctly |
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| 17:41.53 | linduxed | so to have it accurate ive added a script to cron.hourly that basically runs the command ntpd -s |
| 17:42.17 | linduxed | that does fix the time, but it fills up the system with a _ton_ of ntpd processes |
| 17:42.59 | blubberdiblub | linduxed, usually, ntpd should run all the time, correcting the time itself every now and then. you shouldn't have to run it manually |
| 17:43.26 | linduxed | blubberdiblub: really? i think it just did that on startup |
| 17:43.33 | hramrach | there must be something that breaks it |
| 17:43.35 | linduxed | *thought |
| 17:44.01 | billygalbreath | i have a slight annoyance i cannot figure out. i have put Debian Squeeze on my Motorola Droid, and for the life of me i cannot figure out why terminal shows localhost as the hostname, when i have clearly set "debdroid" in /etc/hostname |
| 17:44.04 | blubberdiblub | linduxed, the system usually starts it once at startup with the help of an init script and then ntpd keeps running and correcting the time |
| 17:44.05 | hramrach | when I start a fresh shell it works but later it does not |
| 17:44.07 | billygalbreath | any thoughts, anyone? |
| 17:45.01 | linduxed | blubberdiblub: ok i think ill leave it working by itself then |
| 17:45.09 | hramrach | billygalbreath: did you reboot or restart the respective initscritp since then? |
| 17:45.15 | blubberdiblub | linduxed, starting it multiple times does cause it to be running a multiple times, too, since usually it doesn't stop |
| 17:45.39 | billygalbreath | hramrach, negative. i'll give it a shot |
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| 17:47.43 | billygalbreath | hramrach, still says localhost |
| 17:47.54 | blubberdiblub | linduxed, maybe you were used to and confused it with "ntpdate" which corrects the time only once, when it is run, and then exits |
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| 17:49.26 | nvz | anyone have any idea what happened to w32codecs? I have debian-multimedia sources.. its not showing up anymore |
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| 17:49.55 | themill | nvz: dmm finally has a non-free section |
| 17:50.29 | nvz | themill: ah |
| 17:50.31 | themill | (it's also an i386-only package) |
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| 17:50.41 | hramrach | billygalbreath: /etc/init.d/hostname.sh does read the file |
| 17:50.49 | nvz | themill: yeah I'm aware of the w64codecs thing |
| 17:51.22 | hramrach | so unless you broke the script or use some very special distribution it should do it for you as well |
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| 17:53.01 | crazypenguin | in boot log,"Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.conf)...done." can anyone tell me which boot startup make that information? i want to configure my boot services rightly,please. |
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| 17:55.15 | abrotman | crazypenguin: tell us what you're really trying to do |
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| 17:57.25 | blubberdiblub | crazypenguin, /etc/init.d/procps, i guess. but you shouldn't fiddle with the script. just edit /etc/sysctl.conf or even better, put your own config into /etc/sysctl.d/ if that dir exists on your debian release |
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| 17:58.11 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: let him explain first .. he keeps breaking his system doing things incorrectly |
| 17:58.36 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, oh, okay, i wasn't aware of that |
| 17:58.38 | linduxed | blubberdiblub: i have no such command as ntpdate |
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| 17:59.20 | abrotman | use ntp |
| 17:59.29 | blubberdiblub | linduxed, just forget about it then, since ntpd should be really fine. it keeps your system in sync all the time, which is good |
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| 18:00.28 | linduxed | blubberdiblub: well i'll leave it as it is then |
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| 18:02.19 | crazypenguin | believe me, i run sysv-rc-conf to kick the procps in the rcS, i reboot now |
| 18:02.23 | nsadmin | it's not more than 1024 secs wrong is it? |
| 18:02.35 | telmich | good evening |
| 18:02.39 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: see .. that's why .. |
| 18:02.42 | dbbolton | i enabled bitmapped fonts, and installed a PCF font to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc but i can't access the font with any applications |
| 18:02.55 | billygalbreath | hramrach, didnt break the script - this is a fresh install. however, i do consider this a very unique setup, so who knows why its defaulting to localhost. |
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| 18:03.29 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, yeah ... |
| 18:04.35 | hramrach | billygalbreath: what did you install on it? |
| 18:04.50 | billygalbreath | my Motorola Droid. |
| 18:05.03 | hramrach | yes, but what system? |
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| 18:05.16 | billygalbreath | what you mean what system? |
| 18:05.23 | telmich | if the input dialog is broken for a package, can I somehow configure it without using the normal dialog frontend? |
| 18:05.54 | Rovanion | I am going to upgrade to Squeeze from Lenny. Are the only repos that I should have in my list ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ and security.debian.org ? Should I remove volatile.debion.org? |
| 18:05.55 | hramrach | running standard Debian installer should ask you for a hostname and set it up so that it is hown in the bash prompt |
| 18:06.00 | telmich | (broken as in: does not ask for a value and displays an error that the value was not given) |
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| 18:06.46 | billygalbreath | hramrach, i didnt use an installer. i created an empty image on my debian pc with debootstrap, then chrooted to it on my droid and rebuilt a new system |
| 18:07.05 | billygalbreath | pretty unique, eh? |
| 18:07.07 | billygalbreath | lol |
| 18:07.16 | blubberdiblub | telmich, try dpkg-reconfigure with the -f option to specify a frontend explicitly |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | Rovanion: currently the volatile doesn't have anything in it (may not even exist) |
| 18:07.44 | hramrach | billygalbreath: then you probably want to run update-rc.d on any services in /etc/init.d/ you want running |
| 18:07.59 | Rovanion | abrotman: But should I keep it in case it gets picked up? |
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| 18:08.15 | abrotman | Rovanion: you can comment it out for now |
| 18:08.18 | hramrach | there is a reason for having an installer, you know |
| 18:08.31 | telmich | blubberdiblub: ahh, that's what I searched for. and where do I find a list of frontends? |
| 18:08.42 | blubberdiblub | telmich, try readline as frontend |
| 18:08.46 | billygalbreath | good point, but its impossible to use an installer on a motorola droid ;) |
| 18:09.01 | telmich | argh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: postfix is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:09.02 | Rovanion | abrotman: Will do that, thanks |
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| 18:09.42 | blubberdiblub | telmich: then first use "dpkg-reconfigure -freadline debconf" to set a different default frontend, then fix the installation of postfix |
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| 18:10.03 | telmich | blubberdiblub: ahh, good point |
| 18:10.35 | crazypenguin | blubberdiblub,thanks very much! |
| 18:10.51 | hramrach | the fscking compgen does not add quotes for word completions, only for file completions |
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| 18:11.23 | telmich | ahh, it's not the frontend, the debconf for postfix seems to be broken: |
| 18:11.23 | telmich | Warning: Newline present in parameters passed to debconf. |
| 18:11.46 | hramrach | and now it adds quotes to my m-a completions |
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| 18:12.45 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to start a second X11 with different "Device" configuration? I know startx -- :1 but I want to use a different Driver for the second X11. Thanks. |
| 18:12.57 | rudi_s | (I'm using Debian Lenny.) |
| 18:13.02 | abrotman | rudi_s: you can specify the config file to use |
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| 18:13.13 | d3x | rudi_s, i guess #xorg would be better to ask :) |
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| 18:13.36 | telmich | blubberdiblub: I can also set the answers via debconf-set-selections, can't I? |
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| 18:14.00 | rudi_s | abrotman: Where can I put it in the startx command? |
| 18:14.14 | blubberdiblub | telmich, i don't know, i haven't tried that |
| 18:14.22 | abrotman | not sure with startx .. read the man page |
| 18:14.52 | rudi_s | abrotman: Or with with xinit? I checked the man pages but didn't find anything. |
| 18:15.32 | blubberdiblub | telmich, i usually edit the config database directly, if i really need to ... but yes, if there's a program to do it, that's definitely better |
| 18:15.50 | telmich | blubberdiblub: oh, where's the config database? :-) |
| 18:16.11 | blubberdiblub | telmich, /var/cache/debconf/ |
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| 18:16.23 | telmich | blubberdiblub: thanks a lot! |
| 18:16.43 | blubberdiblub | telmich, you're welcome |
| 18:17.57 | barraponto | when upgrading to squeeze, should i leave the security repo in sources.list? |
| 18:18.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:18.24 | barraponto | abrotman: pointing to squeeze, right? |
| 18:18.29 | billygalbreath | squeeze has its own security repo - so update that line to squeeze also |
| 18:18.30 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:19.53 | crazypenguin | Does intel core i3 need kernel 2.6.32 or 2.6.33 to surport? |
| 18:20.05 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:21.15 | rudi_s | Ok, I found -config (not described in xinit or X ..) but when I try to use it I get the following error: "Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.3.log" |
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| 18:22.43 | d3x | rudi_s, are you running it as root? |
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| 18:24.54 | rudi_s | d3x: No. |
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| 18:25.30 | rudi_s | But just startx works. When I try startx -- -config xorg-test.conf :1 it doesn't, startx -- :1 works though. |
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| 18:26.30 | rudi_s | (Same with just X -config ..) |
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| 18:30.09 | wpgmb | I'm trying to install virtual box, but the headers for my current running "trunk" kernel cannot be found it seems. Any ideas? |
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| 18:30.35 | wpgmb | (This is the stock kernel AMD64 kernel, btw) |
| 18:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | wpgmb: Don't know if this will help: http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html |
| 18:31.23 | abrotman | wpgmb: install the -3- kernel you shuld be using |
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| 18:31.27 | hramrach | wpgmb: upgrade to a non-trunk kernel. the -trunk kernel was removed from sid some time ago already |
| 18:31.32 | abrotman | wpgmb: what does uname -r say currently ? |
| 18:32.15 | hramrach | but there are no headers for the curernt experimental kernel, had to build my own :( |
| 18:32.41 | dbbolton | how can i get weechat to highlight messages that contain my nick? (by highlight, i mean change the text color or the whole message) |
| 18:33.05 | abrotman | ask #weechat |
| 18:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | Where did sid come into the process? |
| 18:33.05 | nsadmin | what would you like the whole message changed to? |
| 18:33.16 | wpgmb | uname -r: 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 18:33.32 | abrotman | wpgmb: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | wpgmb: then reboot with your new kernel, then remove the -trunk- one .. then get your headers |
| 18:33.51 | jhutchins_lt | Does a trunk kernel imply sid? |
| 18:33.57 | wpgmb | abrotman: k, thx |
| 18:33.57 | abrotman | no |
| 18:34.10 | dbbolton | nsadmin: i meant to type, change the text color of the whole message |
| 18:34.11 | hramrach | wpgmb: aptitude install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 |
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| 18:34.23 | nsadmin | why was trunk removed? how did it even get in? |
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| 18:34.41 | abrotman | it was removed because it was old and unused |
| 18:34.44 | abrotman | or supposed to be unused |
| 18:34.54 | abrotman | and it was put in because it was uh .. a kernel ? |
| 18:35.24 | nsadmin | what does trunk signify? the main meat of where the development is proceeding? |
| 18:35.42 | abrotman | it meant they weren't going to guarantee the ABI basically .. |
| 18:35.48 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 18:36.09 | abrotman | kind of .. i'm not going to go into the whole description .. the kernel is gone, not really worth it |
| 18:36.21 | nsadmin | so that by itself made it temporary by nature |
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| 18:41.56 | grondilu | Hi, I want to compile a module and the doc tells me that I MUST use the same compiler than the one which compiled my kernel. How can I be sure it's the same ? |
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| 18:42.31 | _Trullo | can LVM do raid5 ? |
| 18:42.33 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.41 | cahoot | grondilu: ^ |
| 18:43.09 | blubberdiblub | _Trullo, not that i know of. but that's not the purpose of LVM anyways |
| 18:43.21 | grondilu | cahoot oh ok thanks ! |
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| 18:44.06 | d3x | _Trullo, can ford mustang gt make sandwiches? |
| 18:44.15 | _Trullo | what's the purpose of LVM then? |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | d3x: yes, cook them on the manifold |
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| 18:44.41 | d3x | i'd guess to Manage Logical Volumes |
| 18:44.59 | d3x | abrotman, it won't slice bread and put cheese on it ;) |
| 18:45.00 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 18:45.00 | dpkg | i heard lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:45.03 | blubberdiblub | _Trullo, to be easily able to manage logical volumes (that are similar to partitions, only you can easily enlarge or shrink them online without worrying about moving or stuff like that) |
| 18:45.10 | abrotman | d3x: fan ... |
| 18:46.08 | abrotman | _Trullo: you can use LVM on top of raid5 if you want |
| 18:46.34 | _Trullo | I haven't added drives to my system yet, I wanna do it right from the beginning.. |
| 18:47.48 | Bushmills | good way to do something unknown right from the beginning is to do it twice |
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| 18:48.31 | _Trullo | I think my rootdrive is LVM |
| 18:48.41 | d3x | oh, you think |
| 18:49.03 | _Trullo | sorry, I'm new to linux |
| 18:49.06 | d3x | suggestion: make sure ;) |
| 18:49.16 | blubberdiblub | _Trullo, if it shows up when running "pvs", it is |
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| 18:49.57 | _Trullo | during install it was mentioning alot about LVM so it should be |
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| 18:51.21 | blubberdiblub | _Trullo, you'll need to learn about the lvm commands eventually, if you want to manage your physical volumes/volume group/logical volumes with vlm |
| 18:51.29 | blubberdiblub | lvm, even |
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| 18:51.45 | d3x | "i will not use LVM to setup your disk structure" is mentioning lvm too ;) |
| 18:52.11 | samantha-c- | is there a configuration switch somewhere i'm missing that won't let proftpd start, even tho it's installed and i've used it previously? i must have disabled it somewhere but for the life of me can't remember where |
| 18:52.41 | grondilu | When executing a "configure" script, how do I specify a particular version gcc ? |
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| 18:53.04 | Bushmills | in case of doubt, check /etc/default/ |
| 18:53.26 | samantha-c- | Bushmills: /etc/default/proftpd, RUN="yes" |
| 18:53.42 | Bushmills | miss |
| 18:54.16 | Bushmills | avocados are said to improve memory |
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| 18:56.52 | abrotman | grondilu: usually like CC=/usr/bin/foo ./command |
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| 18:58.07 | grondilu | I tried CC=gcc-4.1 ./configure, but still in the Makefile I have "CC = gcc". Is it ok if I just change the Makefile ? |
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| 18:59.45 | abrotman | full path ? |
| 19:01.04 | grondilu | same with "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./configure" |
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| 19:06.11 | rudi_s | d3x, abrotman: FYI, looks like this is a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442879 |
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| 19:07.41 | abrotman | cute |
| 19:08.14 | d3x | looks like it's not a bug |
| 19:08.20 | rudi_s | Looks like I have to build my own xserver-xorg package; one question regarding this, how should I change the package version so I can be sure that it gets updated when a new version of X is availabe? |
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| 19:08.45 | rudi_s | d3x: It is, you can't pass any config files to X as normal user, not even in /etc/X11. |
| 19:08.57 | d3x | rudi_s, no, looks like you have to put your xorg-something.conf in /etc/X11 and call X -config xorg-something.conf |
| 19:09.15 | rudi_s | d3x: That's the problem, this doesn't work. |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | rudi_s: it tells you where to put the file |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:09.30 | d3x | with relative path? |
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| 19:10.03 | rudi_s | Yes. I have the config file in /etc/X11/xorg-test.conf and X -config xorg-test.conf doesn't work. |
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| 19:10.25 | d3x | rudi_s, are you 100% sure xorg-test.conf has no errors? |
| 19:10.48 | rudi_s | d3x: Yes. Not even X -config xorg.conf :1 works. |
| 19:10.54 | rudi_s | While X :1 does. |
| 19:11.29 | hramrach | nsadmin: every kernel is temporary, it lasts only until it is replaced by a new kernel, at least in testing |
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| 19:12.08 | hramrach | that's why you should keep both kernel-headers-amd64 and kernel-image-amd64 to get the headers as well |
| 19:12.15 | mohadib | i am worknig on a server with a few disks, one of which is a SSD, any way to tell which on is the SSD? |
| 19:12.30 | hramrach | hdparm -i |
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| 19:12.39 | hramrach | or look in dnesg |
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| 19:13.17 | barraponto | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:13.18 | Pnux | hey, i want to start artsd on start up, i know i have to make a simlink on one of the rc.d folders, im not sure in which one. And if you can tell me how to make the simlink, i will apreciate it |
| 19:13.36 | mohadib | thanks |
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| 19:14.29 | d3x | Pnux, 1) why do you even want to use artsd 2) why do you want to run it via rc scripts? |
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| 19:16.22 | fantasticulous | hey guys. i'm having trouble adding a printer in the CUPS web interface. I click on 'Add Printer' and the thing just stalls until the browser said there was an error... i also asked on ##cups, but no answer yet. any ideas? |
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| 19:16.54 | Pnux | d3x: im having an issue with my audio output, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist says something about arts, i tried running it and it fixed the issue for a while, so now i want to start artsd on start up, so see if it will be fixed permanentl |
| 19:16.54 | Pnux | y |
| 19:19.07 | d3x | Pnux, erm.. yes, it says "something" about arts- |
| 19:19.21 | d3x | this "something" is to make sure it's DISABLED |
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| 19:19.44 | abrotman | fantasticulous: which version of cups? which kernel? |
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| 19:20.27 | fantasticulous | oh wow an answer. it's CUPS 1.4.3, kernel 2.6.32-3-686 |
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| 19:20.38 | Pnux | d3x: really? thats weird because it fixed my problem momentarily, i guess it was something else.. in that case it should be changed (what the bot says) to make it more clear, something like "arts or esound should not be running" |
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| 19:20.42 | fantasticulous | i think it's default debian kernel too |
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| 19:20.51 | fantasticulous | or at least one of the deb package kernels |
| 19:21.11 | d3x | Pnux, when i see "stopped?" on a checklist i make sure it's stopped :) |
| 19:21.35 | d3x | oh, nvm. your problem is that alsa is not working, not that you don't know how to run artsd on startup |
| 19:21.38 | chillindave | Wow, how do I figure out which version of Debian to DL? I have an AMD 64-bit processor, but I'm not really sure I want a 64-bit OS? |
| 19:22.02 | d3x | chillindave, if you have >3GB RAM you want 64bit |
| 19:22.14 | d3x | chillindave, otherwise it doesn't really matter |
| 19:22.15 | chillindave | d3x, Nah, only 2GB. |
| 19:22.32 | chillindave | d3x, Wasn't I just talking to you in ##php? |
| 19:22.53 | d3x | chillindave, possible ;) |
| 19:23.33 | ns9242 | chillindave: if you plan to use it as a desktop/workstation, go with 32. |
| 19:23.35 | chillindave | d3x, So then Intel x86 is the one I want if I want a 32-bit version, right? From my understanding, that's more "compatible" than 64-bit.... |
| 19:23.43 | Pnux | d3x: yup, i know how to make it start on start up (just not sure on which level), but i thought that i had to have it running.. maybe its just me that i dont understand that "arts or esound stopped?" means i have to stop them, maybe it isnt |
| 19:23.49 | wols_ | chillindave: i386 is what you want |
| 19:23.50 | chillindave | ns9242, Alright, thanks. |
| 19:23.54 | Pnux | d3x: either way, thanks for the help |
| 19:24.15 | chillindave | wols_, That's not an option here: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/ |
| 19:24.20 | d3x | Pnux, did you check other things from this checklist? |
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| 19:24.34 | chillindave | Or am I in the wrong place? |
| 19:24.37 | vadmeste | Hi. Any known issue about heating up system by a program until shutdown ? This happen to me when using debian squeeze... lenny works fine... any ideas ? |
| 19:24.51 | wols_ | chillindave: go on the link for "Intel x86" and look what you see there |
| 19:24.54 | d3x | chillindave, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 19:25.30 | Pnux | d3x: i did, except the 4th, i dont know how to check for that |
| 19:25.50 | d3x | Pnux, lsmod|grep oss |
| 19:25.58 | chillindave | Alright, thank you all. I'm familiar with Ubuntu and I'm just curious what Debian is like in comparison. |
| 19:26.20 | chillindave | So I'm going to make a third partition so I can have it as yet another boot option. |
| 19:26.27 | Pnux | d3x: got 4 lines, what should i be looking for? |
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| 19:27.15 | d3x | Pnux, the start with snd, snd_pcm, snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss? |
| 19:27.47 | Pnux | d3x: yes, i have all those |
| 19:28.13 | wols_ | chillindave: you will have to manually edit your bootloader to load all 3 from one bootloader |
| 19:28.24 | d3x | Pnux, that should be ok then |
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| 19:28.50 | chillindave | wols_, Oh great, that should be fun. |
| 19:29.02 | d3x | Pnux, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:29.23 | fk91 | I have a fileserver with films. Some films that were ok are now broken. The VLC wants to repair them... without success. Is such a error known for Debian Woody? (I dont want to update) |
| 19:29.30 | Pnux | d3x: 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 Intel ICH5 with ALC202 at irq 17 |
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| 19:30.06 | abrotman | d3x: that's wrong ... you can address up to 64GB RAM with i386 |
| 19:30.11 | d3x | Pnux, when you run alsamixer -c0 are all bars on 100% and have no M underneath? |
| 19:30.21 | fk91 | I have set the root space to 0 with mkfs -m 0 |
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| 19:30.28 | d3x | abrotman, but not your programs |
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| 19:31.18 | abrotman | d3x: if he's asking which ISO to download, i doubt he's using apps that use 20GB RAM or even 2GB RAM |
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| 19:31.56 | chillindave | wols_, Do you have any recommended/preferred articles on how to do that? I know there's thousands and that's why I ask. |
| 19:32.08 | wols_ | no I don't, sorry |
| 19:32.13 | Pnux | d3x: not all of them, some are at 0 and muted.. but my problem is a pretty weird one, every now and then, the sound just stops at all, but the players (vlc, mplayer, dragonplayer, amarok) keep playing the audio |
| 19:32.27 | ns9242 | fk91, did you run a fsck? |
| 19:32.43 | wols_ | my suggestion is to install the new bootloader not in the MBR but the boot partition and use a single pointer frm the MBR bootloader to that one, making debian a 2 staged bootprocess |
| 19:33.06 | d3x | abrotman, PAE is f* up anyway |
| 19:33.25 | abrotman | d3x: so is x86/x86_64 ... |
| 19:33.53 | d3x | abrotman, so you say he should install ppc version? ;) |
| 19:33.56 | Pnux | d3x: i appreciate your help, but i have to go, ill be back in a while if you still want to help me figure out whats wrong |
| 19:34.02 | fk91 | @ns9242: Ok, I will try :) |
| 19:34.06 | abrotman | d3x: yes |
| 19:34.21 | chillindave | wols_, Ok. Now one thing I'm wanting to do that I'm not quite sure if it'll work is install Debian on a separate blank drive from the other two partitions ... that should work, right? |
| 19:34.31 | d3x | abrotman, on amd64 based pc? |
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| 19:34.37 | wols_ | chillindave: yes |
| 19:34.38 | _Trullo | I have 5 drives not added to my system yet, if I do raid5 on these, can I after awhile add drives to this raid5? |
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| 19:34.58 | chillindave | wols_, I thought so, good. Thanks. |
| 19:35.16 | jelly-home | fk91: woody has been unsupported since 2006 or so! |
| 19:35.43 | chillindave | LOL. |
| 19:35.48 | chillindave | Wow. |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | d3x: you think it won't work ? |
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| 19:36.01 | d3x | abrotman, it _will_? |
| 19:36.32 | abrotman | d3x: your humor meter is broken |
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| 19:36.59 | fk91 | @jelly-home: Never touch a running system. Why updating a Pentium1 fileserver with 500MB HD? |
| 19:37.14 | jelly-home | fk91: I hope you have backups. |
| 19:37.19 | fk91 | The data hds are 3*160 GB |
| 19:37.31 | d3x | abrotman, might be interpretation errors. i'm not native english speaker... |
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| 19:37.54 | fk91 | Nope, but one broken film is not that thing |
| 19:38.02 | jelly-home | fk91: as for "why update", the answer is "to limit downtime" |
| 19:38.23 | fk91 | Its a private server... |
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| 19:39.16 | jelly-home | hey, it's your data. I'm just preaching best practice |
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| 19:40.04 | jelly-home | when the hardware dies, it might be a bit hard to recover the data |
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| 19:41.17 | d3x | fk91, i got a bit upset when my 80GB drive with movies died in pain :) |
| 19:41.37 | fk91 | Then I have to move 3 160GB ext3 harddisks to another pc. |
| 19:41.50 | Bushmills | my available entropy never rises above about 200. i am watching now, by continuously outputting entropy_avail, while moving mouse around, using keyboard. what happens is: as soon as entropy reaches about 190, it drops to 128 again - and then continues to increase again. as if it was ANDed with 0xbf, then ORed with 0x80. poolsize is set to 4096. |
| 19:41.56 | d3x | well, actually it didn't die completely, but i had to buy new hdd immediately to copy it's contents :p |
| 19:41.57 | abrotman | and if the HDD dies ? |
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| 19:42.24 | fk91 | Then I have to start a biiig download session*g* |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | Bushmills: try some network/disk activity ? |
| 19:42.27 | Bushmills | just checked on a different system, with poolsize 4096 too, and entropy there is 3300 |
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| 19:42.39 | drawks | anyone in here have any experience with ucf debconf and dpkg interactions? |
| 19:42.52 | Bushmills | abrotman: no matter what. outputting is updated while i type. |
| 19:43.08 | BbT0n | hi all, i have a problem for have authority in my server in bind9 to a domain in 1and1. "stock named[590]: host unreachable resolving 'ns.kimsufi.com/A/IN': 128.63.2.53#53 |
| 19:43.09 | BbT0n | " I have desabled ip v6 ... thx all |
| 19:43.10 | Bushmills | so IRC net activity goes into entropy too |
| 19:43.23 | drawks | I'm following the examples provided by ucf's documentation, but i never get any user interraction to ask if I want to replace the existing configuration file or not |
| 19:43.43 | Bushmills | funny thing is - other debian machines show the same behaviour |
| 19:44.02 | jelly-home | Bushmills: so, something is using it? lsof -n |grep dev/random ? |
| 19:44.06 | wols_ | Bushmills: network latency, generated from IRC |
| 19:44.08 | d3x | Bushmills, try md5sum /dev/urandom |
| 19:44.11 | Bushmills | i have not one single debian machine with entropy above 255 |
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| 19:45.04 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, i think reading entropy_avail causes your problem. just wait some time without reading it ;) |
| 19:45.15 | Bushmills | with lsof -n |grep dev/random it wraps too. |
| 19:45.16 | jelly-home | Bushmills: uname -r? debian version? this squeeze laptop has: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail 3315 |
| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | Bushmills: what wraps? |
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| 19:45.49 | Bushmills | blubberdiblub: won't help - i run a monitor which probes every 5 minutes, and protocols it. even there it never rises above 200 |
| 19:45.50 | Imo | how can i write the centos netinstall iso image to an usb stick ? |
| 19:46.05 | Bushmills | that's on a network machine with plenty of traffic |
| 19:46.10 | d3x | looks like reading /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail reduces it by about 100 |
| 19:46.31 | abrotman | Imo: ask #centos |
| 19:46.33 | jelly-home | Bushmills: I suggested that to check whether any process keeps the device open (and presumably reads bits from it) |
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| 19:46.40 | Bushmills | it doesn't here. just reading and outputting continously doesn't change it |
| 19:46.43 | Imo | i cant go in #cent |
| 19:46.52 | Bushmills | when i use keyboard or mouse, it increases |
| 19:46.57 | Imo | #centos i dont know why, i regisred with nickserv but dont work |
| 19:46.57 | Imo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.02 | abrotman | Imo: /msg nickserv help .. .or ask #freenode how to get in |
| 19:47.12 | Imo | nooo im registred |
| 19:47.13 | abrotman | not our problem .. we know nothing about centos |
| 19:47.13 | Bushmills | until around 200. then it drops to 128, rising, again |
| 19:47.15 | d3x | just checked thrre debian machines (two squeezes and one lenny) - all had 1k+ |
| 19:47.17 | drawks | is there another debian channel which is directed towards packaging, maintainers, and policy? |
| 19:47.21 | Imo | NickServ: You are now identified for imox1234. |
| 19:47.32 | jelly-home | !tell drawks abotu mentos |
| 19:47.34 | jelly-home | !tell drawks abotu mentors |
| 19:47.37 | abrotman | Imo: ask #centos |
| 19:47.39 | jelly-home | not the freshmaker. |
| 19:47.42 | Imo | DONT WIRK |
| 19:47.53 | Bushmills | key make adds some, key break adds some |
| 19:47.56 | abrotman | Imo: then go ask #freenode why you can't get toi #centos |
| 19:48.26 | Bushmills | the one system i have access to with entropy > 200 is a non-debian system |
| 19:48.35 | Pnux_away | Imo: its not #Debian's fault or concern if you cant join another channel, ask in #freenode for help |
| 19:49.19 | jelly-home | !tell drawks about mentors |
| 19:49.20 | Bushmills | cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail .... does anybody have > 200 entropy? |
| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | Bushmills: YES |
| 19:49.39 | jelly-home | wonders whether Bushmills reads ANY replies. |
| 19:49.57 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, well, i have this problem only when i constantly read the variable. otherwise it rises as usual. maybe some of your other programs reads that /proc entry all the time? |
| 19:50.19 | d3x | Bushmills, 1373 is above 200, right? |
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| 19:50.46 | Bushmills | blubberdiblub: in that case entropy shouldn't remain unchanged when i don't interact with system |
| 19:51.14 | Bushmills | but when i don't, entropy very occasionally rises a bit |
| 19:51.18 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, but it does. it doesn't drop below 100 or something then |
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| 19:51.37 | Bushmills | no. seems to wrap to 128 |
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| 19:51.51 | Bushmills | never seen it below 128 |
| 19:51.51 | Bushmills | but also never above 191 yet |
| 19:51.53 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yeah, then it's 128 |
| 19:52.20 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, i haven't researched the exact value ;) that doesn't invalidate my point, tho ;) |
| 19:52.33 | Bushmills | while i type, it has wrapped from around 190 to >=128 at least 50 times |
| 19:52.40 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail 3474 |
| 19:53.02 | Bushmills | Pnux: that makes two already |
| 19:53.03 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yeah, this happens for me too while i'm doing "while true ; do cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ; sleep 1 ; done" |
| 19:53.13 | d3x | Bushmills, http://pastebin.ca/1865331 |
| 19:53.25 | Bushmills | i do now watch -n 0 watch -n 0 cat entropy_avail |
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| 19:53.36 | Bushmills | so it updates several times per second |
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| 19:54.05 | d3x | Bushmills, do you even read what we write? |
| 19:54.10 | Bushmills | i do |
| 19:54.12 | d3x | reading entropy_avail decreases it |
| 19:54.19 | jelly-home | d3x: why would it? |
| 19:54.22 | Bushmills | do you read what i replied? |
| 19:54.28 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, well, you seem to miss our point. stop reading entropy_avail to stop your problem from occurring |
| 19:54.35 | d3x | jelly-home, dunno, but that's what happens |
| 19:54.39 | Bushmills | i replied "why would it remain constant then when i repeat reading" |
| 19:54.44 | \amethyst | err |
| 19:54.48 | Pnux | Bushmills: http://pastebin.ca/1865334 |
| 19:55.06 | jelly-home | Bushmills: something else on your system is using entropy. You'll have to find out what. |
| 19:55.07 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, because it doesn't go below a certain threshold |
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| 19:55.49 | jelly-home | d3x: ah, indeed |
| 19:55.51 | Bushmills | this is a different server: http://stats.scarydevilmonastery.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/entropy-day.png entropy is probed there once every 5 minutes |
| 19:55.57 | jelly-home | that's weird. |
| 19:56.09 | d3x | jelly-home, look at my and Pnux's pastebins |
| 19:56.37 | jelly-home | d3x: no need, I just eroded mine |
| 19:56.39 | Bushmills | and integrated over a month: http://stats.scarydevilmonastery.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/entropy-month.png |
| 19:56.45 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, well, maybe it's actually probed more often than every 5 minutes. tried stopping your monitoring program and then checking entropy after a couple of minutes? |
| 19:56.45 | d3x | jelly-home, :) |
| 19:57.02 | \amethyst | I'm not clear on how that would be happening |
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| 19:57.25 | Bushmills | even the log of those probes support the fact that crontab executes the probe every 5 minutes only |
| 19:57.31 | \amethyst | catting /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail should not change the entorpy account at all |
| 19:57.34 | \amethyst | entropy |
| 19:57.38 | \amethyst | s/account/count/ |
| 19:57.40 | hostnON | what do I have to install to be able to unrar in midnight commander? |
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| 19:57.48 | jelly-home | \amethyst: "should" being the keyword here |
| 19:57.54 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I'm looking at the code |
| 19:58.01 | hostnON | *with midnight commander |
| 19:58.01 | migue | hello |
| 19:58.22 | \amethyst | jelly-home: .proc_handler = &proc_dointvec, .data = &input_pool.entropy_count, |
| 19:58.26 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I'm looking at empiric evidence! |
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| 19:59.12 | migue | sorry ...do know anybody if exist a spanish channel for debian? |
| 19:59.13 | Bushmills | here is a different machine. different setup. also debian: http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/entropy-month.png |
| 19:59.38 | Bushmills | and over a day: http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/entropy-day.png |
| 19:59.39 | Pnux | migue: #debian-es |
| 19:59.54 | jelly-home | hopes it's not anothe debian-specific blunder |
| 19:59.57 | migue | Pnux: ok... thanks! :D |
| 20:00.21 | Bushmills | jelly-home: there are two reports as far of entropy > 255 |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | Bushmills: did you miss mine? |
| 20:00.48 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, well, the symptoms are clearly the same as when reading entropy_avail every second. there has to be some cause ... |
| 20:01.07 | \amethyst | I'm reading entropy_avail every second on a lenny machine and it's increasing |
| 20:01.17 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yeah, i have an entropy far above 255 when not reading entropy_avail, too |
| 20:01.30 | \amethyst | on my sid machine it's decreasing, but I have a lot of processes using /dev/random and /dev/urandom |
| 20:01.32 | d3x | \amethyst, run it in a loop without sleep |
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| 20:01.51 | \amethyst | d3x: increasing |
| 20:02.04 | Bushmills | when reading it should decrease entropy ... why would it *increase* then when pressing a key? |
| 20:02.18 | Pnux | http://pastebin.ca/1865343 |
| 20:02.24 | d3x | \amethyst, constant for me when i do it with while((1));do ...;done |
| 20:02.25 | Bushmills | and increase again when releasing... |
| 20:02.43 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, it only decreases in big steps, and only if it doesn't get below a threshold. typing only increases in small steps, that's why |
| 20:02.48 | \amethyst | d3x: do you have processes using /dev/random or /dev/urandom? |
| 20:02.59 | d3x | \amethyst, not sure |
| 20:03.17 | \amethyst | d3x: run fuser /dev/random /dev/urandom as root |
| 20:03.26 | d3x | \amethyst, looks like firefox and chrome use urandom |
| 20:03.29 | d3x | no idea why |
| 20:03.46 | d3x | oh, maybe for JS's rand() |
| 20:03.54 | \amethyst | here's another lenny system where it's at 3499 and increasing |
| 20:04.08 | \amethyst | while running cat entropy_avail in a tight loop |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | \amethyst: even with a while sleep 1; do cat; done? |
| 20:04.19 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, probably it depends on the kernel version? |
| 20:04.26 | d3x | cupsd and NetworkManager use urandom too :) |
| 20:04.36 | Bushmills | probably even without any sleep at all in it |
| 20:04.46 | \amethyst | blubberdiblub: it probably depends more on which processes are using /dev/urandom and /dev/random |
| 20:04.56 | \amethyst | the system with a large value has few daemons running |
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| 20:05.15 | \amethyst | cupsd and gnome-keyring being the only things there that use /dev/urandom |
| 20:05.33 | d3x | Bushmills, sudo lsof|grep random |
| 20:05.33 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, hmm, okay, but i have a large value while running quite a number of daemons |
| 20:05.34 | Bushmills | are there entropy leeches among the programs? |
| 20:05.52 | Bushmills | those which claim entropy just in case they might need it, eventually? |
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| 20:06.17 | \amethyst | those which use /dev/urandom to get random numbers, rather than to seed a PRNG |
| 20:06.17 | Bushmills | thereby keeping system entropy low all the time ... |
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| 20:08.17 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, oh, and i meant the "entropy decreases when reading entropy_avail" might depend on the kernel version ... since you say it doesn't happen on some of your boxes |
| 20:08.53 | \amethyst | blubberdiblub: I have no evidence that it happens on any of them. Like I said, on the one where it's low and stays low, there are lots of daemons using entropy |
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| 20:09.43 | Bushmills | i could think of one of those entropy-"leeches" ... maybe openvpn... |
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| 20:10.14 | Bushmills | no ... runs on the non-debian machine with high entropy too |
| 20:10.31 | Jdude1029 | Hello. |
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| 20:10.42 | Jdude1029 | I've got a question. |
| 20:10.52 | Jdude1029 | Could anyone help? |
| 20:11.05 | Bushmills | was that your question? |
| 20:11.06 | d3x | Jdude1029, read the topic |
| 20:11.14 | Jdude1029 | ok |
| 20:11.15 | d3x | oh, my bad |
| 20:11.35 | Jdude1029 | I'm thinking about installing linux on an old machine. |
| 20:11.36 | d3x | it's one of few channels on freenode that doesn't state "don't ask to ask, just ask" in topic ;P |
| 20:11.44 | Jdude1029 | ok |
| 20:11.56 | d3x | Jdude1029, define "old" |
| 20:12.11 | Jdude1029 | it had windows me |
| 20:12.13 | Jdude1029 | on it |
| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | Jdude1029: which cpu? mhz? how much ram? |
| 20:12.32 | amphi | so it has suffered greatly |
| 20:12.35 | Jdude1029 | I'd have to check |
| 20:12.54 | jelly-home | linux might provide it some relief |
| 20:12.59 | Jdude1029 | But I'd like to know how to figure out what the system architecture is. |
| 20:12.59 | d3x | Jdude1029, again. what is your question/problem? |
| 20:13.04 | wols_ | Jdude1029: most important will be the amount of RAM |
| 20:13.08 | Jdude1029 | ok |
| 20:13.10 | amphi | a soothing balm of debian |
| 20:13.12 | d3x | i386 |
| 20:13.14 | jelly-home | Jdude1029: it's i386. |
| 20:13.33 | Jdude1029 | the architecture? |
| 20:13.37 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:13.37 | d3x | yes |
| 20:13.40 | Jdude1029 | thanks |
| 20:13.46 | wols_ | Jdude1029: yes. windows ME only runs on i386, nothing else |
| 20:13.53 | Jdude1029 | thanks |
| 20:13.53 | wols_ | so your old PC must be a i386 |
| 20:13.55 | d3x | amphi, they should make it to the drug stores :) |
| 20:14.53 | Jdude1029 | what would it be on here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:14.55 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, Bushmills, what about that one here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/5/19 |
| 20:15.40 | blubberdiblub | looks like glibc might be the culprit |
| 20:15.51 | \amethyst | blubberdiblub: so it's not reading the entropy, but rather starting cat |
| 20:16.06 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, yeah, seems so |
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| 20:16.36 | Jdude1029 | never mind |
| 20:16.39 | Jdude1029 | found it |
| 20:16.56 | jelly-home | \amethyst: now, tell me this doesn't look suspicious: http://paste.debian.net/69457/ |
| 20:17.31 | Bushmills | can't say - i'll try disabling the one program which has /dev/urandom open on one machine - that's dovecot - and see whether it makes a difference |
| 20:17.48 | \amethyst | jelly-home: see what blubberdiblub said |
| 20:18.00 | Jdude1029 | thanks guys |
| 20:18.00 | Bushmills | idea is, if no program has /dev/urandom open, no leeches decrease entropy |
| 20:18.02 | \amethyst | jelly-home: it's process startup, not the reading itself, that is eating entropy |
| 20:18.18 | Bushmills | if it still doesn't rise, the problem must be something else. maybe glibc |
| 20:18.19 | \amethyst | jelly-home: try perl -e 'while(1){print <STDIN>;seek STDIN, 0, 0;}' < /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 20:18.34 | jelly-home | alright, I'll use a non-fork() version |
| 20:18.35 | \amethyst | jelly-home: on my 2.6.30 machine that keeps the entropy much higher than the loop |
| 20:20.10 | jelly-home | yet another reason why shell scripting sucks! |
| 20:22.19 | jelly-home | alright, so... file bugs on eglibc? |
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| 20:23.26 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yeah, really looks like it: "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ; for i in `seq 100` ; do cat /dev/null ; done ; cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" decreases my entropy by _a lot_ |
| 20:23.28 | fk91_ | I had this problem with broken files. I run fsck, it takes nearly a hour. No the message is: "/dev/hdg1: 560/48840704 files (10.7% non-contiguous), 97668461/97677200 blocks" It only says that my hd is fragmented? |
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| 20:23.30 | Bushmills | blubberdiblub: that may explain low entropy with continuous reading, but not with 5 minute probes |
| 20:23.30 | \amethyst | fk91_: so fsck doesn't detect any inconsistency |
| 20:23.32 | fk91_ | All 5 Checks passed. |
| 20:23.32 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yes, if there are a lot of processes using glibc started in that time |
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| 20:23.35 | \amethyst | fk91_: that doesn't mean the files haven't been corrupted, just that there are no inconsistency (like a 1 MB file with only 2 blocks allocated, that sort of thing) |
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| 20:23.39 | linduxed | lets assume im talking to a friend through IRC, and suddenly i need to send a file |
| 20:23.40 | Bushmills | so one could do a DoS on key/certificate generating machine, with a script which starts processes in rapid succession :D |
| 20:23.59 | linduxed | i like secure connections so somehow ssh'ing through the file would be nice |
| 20:23.59 | peterrooney | fk91_: well, it's only a half terrabyte hard drive... |
| 20:24.00 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, yeah, if the machine is using /dev/urandom. usually such programs use /dev/random for such tasks, tho |
| 20:24.00 | linduxed | basically, what's an easy way to send a file to someone securely? |
| 20:24.02 | peterrooney | linduxed: scp |
| 20:24.02 | Bushmills | yes. and /dev/random is the RNG which depends on entropy |
| 20:24.02 | fk91_ | Oh it should be a 400GB hd, not a 160 GB |
| 20:24.02 | fk91_ | My mistake |
| 20:24.02 | \amethyst | blubberdiblub: it's more of a DOS for /dev/random... low entropy will cause /dev/urandom to generate not-very-random numbers. /dev/random will just hang |
| 20:24.02 | Bushmills | unrandom is the PRNG |
| 20:24.02 | Bushmills | urandom |
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| 20:24.02 | linduxed | peterrooney: but what if the person im sending to doesn't have an account for me on his/her comp/ |
| 20:24.02 | linduxed | ? |
| 20:24.02 | \amethyst | s/not-very-random/pseudo-random/ |
| 20:24.03 | linduxed | and not my ssh key either |
| 20:24.03 | fk91_ | I have seen that one of my 400 GB harddisks has this 5% root space left. I removed this space a several month before and now a see that one of my films are broken. But a bug in this dircetion is unknown? |
| 20:24.03 | \amethyst | linduxed: have them create one for you, or vice versa |
| 20:24.03 | qwd | linduxed: you could encrypt the file and send it any way you like |
| 20:24.03 | linduxed | qwd: and how would i do that? |
| 20:24.32 | qwd | linduxed: do you use Gnome? |
| 20:24.32 | blubberdiblub | \amethyst, yeah, hang until it has gathered sufficient entropy. but i see your point, it may slow down stuff _a lot_ |
| 20:24.36 | peterrooney | linduxed: you couldn't give them a temporary account? |
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| 20:25.28 | \amethyst | linduxed: personally, if I need to give someone a file I copy it into my public_html and give them a URL |
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| 20:25.43 | \amethyst | linduxed: if you're using IRC you can use /dcc send |
| 20:26.01 | d3x | \amethyst, i prefer ln -s over copying :) |
| 20:26.07 | H123 | sup, do you guys know another service like Databank? |
| 20:26.10 | d3x | (in this case of course) |
| 20:26.12 | \amethyst | the latter doesn't encrypt, but there are all sorts of programs that can do encryption |
| 20:26.19 | jelly-home | Bushmills: while /bin/true; do sleep 1; done # IM IN UR CASTL EATIN UR ENTROPY |
| 20:26.47 | Bushmills | mean |
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| 20:27.37 | \amethyst | d3x: depends on whether your web server is configured to allow symlinks |
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| 20:27.53 | d3x | \amethyst, it is |
| 20:27.56 | \amethyst | d3x: in my case, the web server is another machine, so by "copy" I mean "scp" :) |
| 20:28.15 | d3x | \amethyst, there should be sln :P |
| 20:28.26 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:28.28 | d3x | (well, there is. sshfs + ln) |
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| 20:28.49 | \amethyst | I don't want the web server to have my desktop machine remote-mounted |
| 20:28.55 | BlueG | I've noticed that Debian mailing list emails tend to be very neatly formatted, with headings, tables, and footnotes and such. Is there a MUA that does that kind of ascii formatting automatically, or is that all done by hand? |
| 20:29.09 | linduxed | qwd: no, but if it's a tool from gnome i think i can obtain it.... |
| 20:29.15 | Bushmills | ok, under the assumption that some program grabs entropy when enough is available, it seems it only grabs 512 bits of entropy whenever that's the case |
| 20:29.24 | linduxed | \amethyst: dcc is an idea, true |
| 20:29.33 | linduxed | \amethyst: is that encrypted in some way? |
| 20:29.33 | H123 | BlueG: man -f reporbug |
| 20:29.35 | qwd | linduxed: not really, I was going to say Gnome uses Seahorse, but there are other ways. |
| 20:29.42 | Bushmills | ("enough" meaning that 128 bytes will remain) |
| 20:29.54 | qwd | linduxed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard |
| 20:30.37 | H123 | "just" 512 ? that's a lot imo |
| 20:30.51 | Bushmills | 64 bytes .. the step from 192 down to 128 bytes |
| 20:30.55 | \amethyst | linduxed: not typically, but you can encrypt the file using something like GPG or even aespipe |
| 20:31.31 | BlueG | H123: Oh, I'm not talking about bug reports, but, for instance, the recent announcements of the DPL elections. |
| 20:31.52 | linduxed | \amethyst: ok, i guess i'll look into some guide on dcc and gpg |
| 20:31.58 | linduxed | qwd: thx |
| 20:32.12 | H123 | BlueG: same tool |
| 20:32.34 | BlueG | H123, ohh, that is surprising |
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| 20:35.04 | stoove | hi. how do i use pam-ssh so that i can login with the password to my ssh key |
| 20:35.39 | stoove | ? |
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| 20:38.15 | H123 | stoove: http://www.psykocybernetik.com/blog/content/ssh-pam-and-private-public-key-authentication-lacie-edmini |
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| 20:38.41 | H123 | looks about right |
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| 20:40.31 | stoove | ahh so i just set pam to yes in my sshd_config if i have everything else set up? |
| 20:40.58 | stoove | it is on yes already |
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| 20:41.07 | stoove | i thought i had to change my pam configuration? |
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| 20:41.18 | \amethyst | yes |
| 20:41.23 | Bushmills | hm. all process with urandom or random open killed, stopped except one (x-session-manager), working on mouse, keyboard, disk to lift entropy, first single read of entropy_avail is still below 192. no other processes actively started in between, except the incidental cronjob or ... well, not so many other reasons actually .... do those with higher entropy run console, no X, maybe? |
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| 20:44.01 | \amethyst | Bushmills: here it's a couple thousand and I'm running X. Every time I run cat (or any other program) it decreases by 200 |
| 20:44.34 | Bushmills | so, x-session-manager is out too |
| 20:45.30 | \amethyst | Bushmills: try the perl I pasted so you can watch it in real-time without starting new processes |
| 20:45.39 | \amethyst | Bushmills: perl -e 'while(1){print <STDIN>;seek STDIN, 0, 0; sleep 1}' < /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
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| 20:46.32 | Bushmills | 128 |
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| 20:46.53 | Bushmills | rises a bit on action, then drops again |
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| 20:47.13 | \amethyst | Bushmills: and nothing but x-session-manager is using /dev/random or /dev/urandom? |
| 20:47.41 | Bushmills | nothing has those open. doesn't mean that nothing opens them, reads, and closes again |
| 20:47.45 | \amethyst | Bushmills: your poolsize is the default 4096, right? |
| 20:47.49 | Bushmills | yes |
| 20:48.05 | d3x | Bushmills, i run X with full-blown kde 4.4, compositing and stuff |
| 20:48.15 | Bushmills | i'll try to measure the time between drops to 128 |
| 20:48.20 | Bushmills | xfce4 here |
| 20:48.21 | d3x | two kde session actually |
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| 20:48.29 | helo_ | i'm having a bit of trouble authenticating with my wpa2 aes psk router... i'm using a passphrase to generate the key |
| 20:48.37 | d3x | 1.2k currently |
| 20:48.42 | \amethyst | Bushmills: and you're sure that you don't have lots of processes starting somewhere? PID of new jobs increases slowly? |
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| 20:48.55 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, i'm using xfce4 here, too |
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| 20:52.06 | helo_ | i was hoping there was a "passphrase" option in wpa_supplicant.conf, but there is only "psk"... do i set the psk to my passphrase? |
| 20:52.06 | Bushmills | pids haven't changed the last 15 secs |
| 20:52.06 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 20:52.07 | \amethyst | Bushmills: and when you checked for processes using /dev/{u,}random, you did so as root, right? |
| 20:52.07 | d3x | helo_, are you sure you don't want to use network manager or wicd to set up your network? |
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| 20:52.07 | helo_ | i've tried network manager and wpa_supplicant |
| 20:52.07 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, if the process in question only runs a fraction of a second, you may easily miss it |
| 20:52.07 | helo_ | not wicd yet... not aware of that one |
| 20:52.07 | Bushmills | 4 seconds between rising above 192, and taking 64 away. |
| 20:52.07 | d3x | helo_, NM failed for you? |
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| 20:52.08 | Bushmills | 187, 198, 198, 198, 134 |
| 20:52.08 | helo_ | yeah... it just keeps asking me for the key |
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| 20:52.08 | d3x | helo_, what client? |
| 20:52.08 | helo_ | gnome |
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| 20:57.52 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.52 | Bushmills | will have to start with smaller process list. no X. |
| 20:57.52 | Bushmills | though this is a small machine. a netbook, 512 mb RAM |
| 20:57.52 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills, well, if it's indeed the glibc problem, then it's not actually the process to blame |
| 20:57.52 | Bushmills | at least processes starting would be needed than, if i understand |
| 20:57.53 | Bushmills | and there aren't any processes starting every few seconds |
| 20:57.53 | waufrepi | Hello. I'm just curious. Is everyone ware that theres a link off the Debian documentation to pornography? |
| 20:57.53 | Bushmills | at least not intentionally |
| 20:57.53 | waufrepi | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch01s02.html.en |
| 20:58.23 | waufrepi | and then click on the Kernel Traffic link |
| 20:58.24 | jelly-home | waufrepi: everyone doesn't need to be aware, just the web team does |
| 20:58.24 | d3x | waufrepi, lol |
| 20:58.24 | waufrepi | Is this intentional? |
| 20:58.24 | \amethyst | waufrepi: kerneltraffic used to be a website about Linux kernel development |
| 20:58.24 | waufrepi | yes. I figured as much |
| 20:58.24 | jelly-home | waufrepi: russian takeover of known domains after the domain expires at the registrar are nothing new, unfortunately |
| 20:58.25 | waufrepi | its funny because I was just talking to my nephew...who is 12 |
| 20:58.25 | waufrepi | about linux |
| 20:58.25 | waufrepi | I'd be terrified if this is what he'll find |
| 20:58.25 | d3x | waufrepi, 12? i guess he might have already seen this site :P |
