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| 07:22.02 | vchrizz | ive put debian from hd-media/boot.img on my flash drive and modified it for my needs, now how do i create an image file out of the flash drive again? |
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| 07:23.01 | vchrizz | if i do it via dd i got a 4gb file with just under 100mb used |
| 07:23.25 | d3x | hm.. mkfs maybe? [just a shot] |
| 07:23.29 | vchrizz | how do i create some small image like hdmedia/boot.im which is only about 200mb? |
| 07:23.31 | lastn_ode | thanks for your help d3x jelly-home , ill be back later from home :) |
| 07:23.39 | lastn_ode | #debian rocks as always ^^ |
| 07:24.28 | WormFood | is there any type of flash editor for squeeze? i've searched, but didn't find anything, but think maybe I overlooked it. |
| 07:25.35 | d3x | WormFood, i think i've seen one once... but it was crap :) |
| 07:25.55 | WormFood | yeah, I'm afraid I'll have to use winblows for this specific application :( |
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| 07:26.04 | d3x | flash = adobe flash, right? |
| 07:26.29 | WierdAAR | hey.. So I new to Debian and I can't quite figure out how to mount my usb-pen |
| 07:26.30 | WormFood | yes |
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| 07:27.29 | WormFood | WierdAAR, man mount |
| 07:27.47 | WierdAAR | WormFood, man mount <mountpoint> ? |
| 07:27.49 | vchrizz | WierdAAR, check fdisk -l, look for your usb pen drive and mount /dev/<your-usb-drive> /mnt |
| 07:27.51 | WormFood | WierdAAR, mkdir /mnt/usb ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb (replace "sda1" with your device) |
| 07:27.57 | d3x | WierdAAR, you should get a popup or something similar if you're using some DE (gnome, kde etc.) |
| 07:28.18 | WierdAAR | d3x, I'm using xfce and no pop-up came |
| 07:28.45 | WormFood | WierdAAR, there are at least a dozen different ways to do it. |
| 07:28.55 | d3x | and if you start xfm (xfce file manager) does it list this pendrive somewhere? |
| 07:29.00 | vchrizz | lol, enough answers about mounting, but how to create an image like the one supplied by debian for usb flash drives? |
| 07:29.01 | WormFood | if it has automounted, then do a "mount" to see where it is |
| 07:29.23 | WormFood | vchrizz, what do you mean? you want to make an image from a usb device? |
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| 07:29.57 | WierdAAR | thunar (default file manager) doesn't show the usb-pen, but as far as i can see it does show up in fdisk |
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| 07:30.08 | vchrizz | WormFood, yes, but in some other way that just dd the whole drive and wasting space ;) |
| 07:30.23 | WormFood | you want it compressed? |
| 07:30.35 | WormFood | BTW, I don't use DD, I use cp |
| 07:30.38 | vchrizz | i compress it afterwards |
| 07:30.57 | vchrizz | WormFood, cp ? for bootable usb flash drives too? |
| 07:31.00 | WormFood | I like cp...dd is a conversion tool |
| 07:31.23 | WormFood | cp /dev/sda file.img is the same as dd if=/dev/sda of=file.img |
| 07:31.30 | WierdAAR | d3x I'm pretty sure thunar has an auto-mount feature, but maybe it's not configured yet |
| 07:32.01 | WormFood | and you can probably cp straight to stdout, and redirect that through bzip2 or something like that |
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| 08:03.27 | dekroning | where on the debian ftp site kan i find a iso for etch ? |
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| 08:08.04 | deufrai | dekroning: had a look there ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 08:08.09 | deufrai | http, I know |
| 08:08.25 | dekroning | deufrai: thanks |
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| 08:09.24 | vchrizz | WormFood, i tried cp instead of dd... same result |
| 08:10.25 | vchrizz | my usb flash drive is 60% used and rest is free disk space... dd or cp from /dev/sda gives a file with full size of the usb drive |
| 08:10.36 | WormFood | duh |
| 08:10.47 | WormFood | that is what compression is for |
| 08:11.04 | WormFood | but first, zero your unallocated and slack space |
| 08:11.19 | WormFood | what you are asking for is not possible |
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| 08:11.38 | vchrizz | hum, so the boot.img file from hd-media which is used to install debian via flash drive was created from a 256mb flash drive or what? :D |
| 08:11.58 | WormFood | either you want an image of the drive, or you don't....and it sounds like you don't want a drive image |
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| 08:12.38 | WormFood | in short, you want to compress it |
| 08:12.51 | vchrizz | i want a drive image, but dont want a 4gb sizeimagefile if on the flash drive only 2,5gb are used |
| 08:13.06 | WormFood | but only after you zero out the unallocated space, otherwise the compression won't work well |
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| 08:13.16 | WormFood | then copy the individual files off the drive |
| 08:13.19 | vchrizz | ok ill try that, thx |
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| 08:13.40 | WormFood | seriously...if the drive is 4 gig, and you're using one byte, the DRIVE IMAGE will be 4 gig! |
| 08:13.46 | vchrizz | ill try zeroing the drive and try with compression |
| 08:13.55 | WormFood | the OS has no way to know what part is and isn't being used |
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| 08:14.10 | vchrizz | duh |
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| 08:14.33 | WormFood | there should be tools to erase the unallocated space and the slack space |
| 08:14.43 | WormFood | it is usually security related tools that will do that |
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| 08:15.00 | WormFood | I don't know off-hand what tools are in debian will do that, perhaps someone else can speak up |
| 08:15.11 | vchrizz | well i though it is able to, because the 256mb boot.img file is also only 20mb in size when compressed and its the same size what the flash drive has used size |
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| 08:15.34 | WormFood | BUT, I'd suggest you do that, AFTER you make the image, so you're not needlessly writing to your flash drive, as it has a limited number of writes |
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| 08:15.55 | WormFood | zero the unallocated space in the image, not the flash drive itself....make sense? |
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| 08:16.08 | WormFood | and you'll probably get excellent compression |
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| 08:16.48 | vchrizz | ah ok, and how do i do that? zeroing unallocated disk space? with specifing sectors or similar where data ends? |
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| 08:17.05 | simonrvn | |Clecio| should seriously stop whatever they're doing... |
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| 08:17.38 | simonrvn | WormFood: there is such a thing, i just can't recall ATM |
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| 08:18.11 | simonrvn | ah, thank you |
| 08:18.17 | vchrizz | thanks xD |
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| 08:18.51 | simonrvn | 75% of the present display of chan activity was the feaking join/parts... |
| 08:18.57 | simonrvn | fr* |
| 08:19.02 | vchrizz | simonrvn, if you recall, pls tell me about it, ill try WormFood's suggestions... |
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| 08:19.43 | simonrvn | had something to do with shred IIRC, but i'm not sure... |
| 08:19.51 | WormFood | I'd have to look for it...I don't know off hand |
| 08:19.58 | WormFood | but it is normal security related tools |
| 08:20.18 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 08:20.34 | WormFood | most of the time, people don't care what is in the unallocated space, but for security related people, they care....so that is what that is usually listed under security tools |
| 08:20.53 | WormFood | and then there is "slack space", which is the unused part of a block/cluster |
| 08:21.02 | WormFood | and for best compression, you also want to zero that |
| 08:21.55 | WormFood | zerofree |
| 08:22.03 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.15 | WormFood | try that vchrizz |
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| 08:22.38 | WormFood | mount on a loopback, if it can't do it to the image file directly |
| 08:23.09 | simonrvn | that's it. good find |
| 08:24.26 | ethanol | mornin' folks! this cheers me up on mondays <3 www.zombo.com |
| 08:24.53 | WormFood | ethanol, it is afternoon here...almost evening |
| 08:25.03 | ethanol | I can't change that WormFood :< |
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| 08:25.20 | WormFood | sure you can...move to a different timezone :P |
| 08:27.13 | WormFood | that is what I did...it is about 4:30 am where I used to live :P |
| 08:27.28 | WormFood | now it is almost 4:30 pm here ;) |
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| 08:32.25 | karsten | WormFood: It's beer-o'clock somewhere. |
| 08:32.46 | liable | here |
| 08:32.53 | liable | but alas, i'm on the wagon |
| 08:32.57 | d3x | also, sleep-o'clock somewhere else :P |
| 08:33.26 | karsten | thinks its sleep-o'clock here. |
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| 08:45.16 | osfd | Hi guys, I have a weird problem. I want to remove my texlive and when I try to remove the texlive-base package, it says it's gonna remove kde... |
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| 08:45.59 | uzy | hiyall |
| 08:46.22 | uzy | know where I can get help/support on debian-live thingy ? |
| 08:46.51 | petemc | !debian live |
| 08:46.51 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:48.26 | osfd | I think it come from kdvi-kdegraphics |
| 08:48.29 | osfd | but not sure |
| 08:48.45 | uzy | thanx dpkg |
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| 08:49.50 | SparFux | when using dh_make, I first get "Unable to make debian/source subdirectory: No such file or directory" and then "Unable to make debian/source subdirectory: No such file or directory" Why is that? |
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| 08:51.14 | uzy | SparFux: what are you trying to achive |
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| 08:51.54 | SparFux | The oss proxy. |
| 08:52.12 | SparFux | The kernel modules suck, oss proxy is a far better approach to do oss emulation. |
| 08:52.43 | SparFux | It's outside the kernel and just running as daemon. |
| 08:53.07 | SparFux | hopefully I can even have the daemon autostarted when oss is needed, so the crap old oss is totally out of the way if not needed :-) |
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| 08:54.20 | SparFux | I do dh_make and choose multi binary. it delivers three binary files. |
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| 09:07.46 | uzy | oh. just thought u were into debian helper ( I mean live helper) |
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| 09:17.13 | moshisushi | hello! what's the name of that ncurses app that's used for enabling/disabling startup services in debian? |
| 09:18.38 | liable | !services |
| 09:18.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 09:18.47 | liable | sysvconfig iirc |
| 09:18.49 | jelly | sysv-rc-conf? |
| 09:19.06 | liable | heh, prolly neither :P |
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| 09:19.15 | liable | rcconf! |
| 09:19.25 | jelly | punches dpkg |
| 09:19.26 | moshisushi | yeah thanks! |
| 09:19.35 | moshisushi | rcconf it is! |
| 09:19.36 | moshisushi | thanks |
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| 09:19.50 | jelly | have fun ruining your system! |
| 09:22.31 | moshisushi | jelly: what's the problem? |
| 09:23.47 | jelly | there is none. |
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| 09:35.56 | SparFux | it seems to me dh_make is flawed. |
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| 09:37.49 | JyZyXEL | !hold |
| 09:37.49 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 09:40.34 | JyZyXEL | apt-get upgrade doesn't respect any hold solutions |
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| 09:45.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: file a bug |
| 09:46.08 | themill | it should do. Always has for me. |
| 09:46.36 | themill | although what a "hold solution" is, I don't know. |
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| 09:51.43 | jelly | it's like a firing solution, only different |
| 09:51.52 | soapman | Hi. I'm trying to record something with jackrec, but I can'get alsa to output to a jack port. Any help? |
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| 10:06.20 | lvh | Anyone know how (if at all) I can change the keybinds for a particular GNOME app? |
| 10:06.35 | lvh | (Dia uses C-t, and that's really annoying because my window manager does too) |
| 10:07.27 | rosie | i have a problem with a script, i have a file with a list of server.. i have a script which parse this file and send the servername to a file.. now what i want to parse is: example: ssh root@[SERVER] 'cat /var/log/syslog', if i do that.. this will caurse my script to die after the first line.. but if i instead of call 'date' in the script i call, i can complete the list of 50 server.. can anyone tell my what makes ssh break my script or if there are anyway to solve |
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| 10:09.24 | rosie | so 3 files: 1. list of servers server1\nserver2.. 2. file to parse this list and parse the value to script 3.. 3. script that will call 'ssh root@[SERVER VALUE]',.. |
| 10:10.08 | rosie | this will caurse my script to break.. if i instead of in script 3 have call just `date` i will not break anything.. :/ so does `ssh root@[SERVER] cat /var/log/syslog` break anything? |
| 10:10.35 | hollo | ups.. i will have to force my named to by changed at startup :/ |
| 10:10.52 | hollo | done :) |
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| 10:17.38 | macrobat | hollo: a bash script? then pastebinit and try #bash |
| 10:18.48 | hollo | oh.. yeh.. sorry just used to try debian people when in on a debian computer.. sorry and thanks |
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| 10:29.41 | K0JIbKA | I have bluez-utils installed at Lenny-stable. Notebook uses one common lock to power on/off WiFi and bluetooth. Question - how to activate bluetooth without touch of WiFi? |
| 10:30.47 | et | the lock is usually physical ... so you'll need to activate it and deactivate wifi |
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| 10:32.59 | D3adCat | Is it just me or has debian-multimedia been going down a lot lately? |
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| 10:38.37 | D3adCat | Quite a lively bunch this morning :) |
| 10:38.37 | K0JIbKA | et: how to turn off WiFi then, without touching lock? |
| 10:39.07 | d3x | rmmod -f mac80211 :) |
| 10:39.28 | K0JIbKA | So far I can see bluetooth is off... |
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| 10:40.22 | D3adCat | K0JIbKA:Do you have iw? |
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| 10:43.55 | tomiondrums | hi, i've tried to install debian testing (amd64) three times now and each time i can't log on to the rebootet system after installation (neither as root nor as the newly created user). looking at the /etc directory of the new system it seems that root didn't get any password set (shadow doesn't contain a pw-hash for root) and the new user wasn't even created i.e. theres no sign of it in /etc/passw |
| 10:44.02 | tomiondrums | and not in /etc/shadow |
| 10:44.40 | tomiondrums | what can i do to make the new (and currently unusable) system let me in? |
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| 10:44.57 | tomiondrums | is there a bug in the installation routine? |
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| 10:47.11 | macrobat | tomiondrums: maybe you can chroot in and do "passwd root", but if there is no trace of accounts, something might be broken |
| 10:47.45 | tomiondrums | macrobat: i already tried that but it gives me a "system error" |
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| 10:48.56 | macrobat | it says "Debian Installer 6.0 Alpha1 release" |
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| 10:49.58 | macrobat | is that the one? alpha usually means it can be broken. maybe try a minimal lenny install and upgrade it |
| 10:50.13 | K0JIbKA | D3adCat: what's iw? |
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| 10:51.18 | liable | new wireless conf tool |
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| 10:53.35 | Lazy^ | any clue, i haven't seen this error ever... |
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| 10:53.46 | Lazy^ | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 10:53.47 | Lazy^ | E: Unable to seek to 18446744071846088703 |
| 10:53.47 | Lazy^ | W: Unable to munmap |
| 10:53.47 | Lazy^ | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 10:53.54 | Lazy^ | oops :) |
| 10:54.20 | macrobat | !pastebinit |
| 10:54.20 | dpkg | pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use eg. "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/" |
| 10:54.26 | K0JIbKA | iw isn't present |
| 10:54.42 | Lazy^ | http://paste.debian.net/69711/ |
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| 10:54.58 | Lazy^ | didn't copy the url, just pasted the stuff which i pasted to pastebin ^^ |
| 10:55.10 | Lazy^ | i get that error when using apt-get / aptitude or synaptic |
| 10:55.51 | themill | Lazy^: is this on a debian box or on the ubuntu box you were talking about earlier? |
| 10:56.18 | Lazy^ | dualboot with ubuntu / debian |
| 10:56.49 | themill | that very conveniently and deliberately doesn't answer my question |
| 10:56.58 | Lazy^ | but the problem is on ubuntu side... but i wanted to ask if someone knows.. since apt is pretty much same in ubuntu asn debian :) |
| 10:57.13 | themill | Lazy^: ubuntu patches apt heavily. Please ask them. |
| 10:57.43 | Lazy^ | ahh kk, that i didn't know... no wonder that there is problems then.. since i've havent had this problem in debian never... |
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| 10:59.35 | fifou_ | hi! |
| 10:59.55 | fifou_ | is anybody knwo how to limit output of rsync? I wish obtain only --stats part. |
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| 11:00.24 | fifou_ | or (at least) erase all line while files are copying... |
| 11:03.23 | ViZ | I'm new to linux (at one point I had kubuntu, but now i installed debian for playing around)... since my experience is limited to the gui/bash, i was wondering what kind of differences does one come across from one distro to the next? the only difference i noticed was that there's no need to sudo everything in debian. |
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| 11:04.22 | d3x | erm.. there is no need to sudo everything i ubuntu too... |
| 11:05.19 | d3x | there are more distro differences between for example debian and red hat. ubuntu is debian-based, so the only differences there are those things that canonical gets f* up :) |
| 11:05.27 | zumbi | ViZ: it is a hard question, but while debian tries to keep free (using free software), the other does not care about freeness, then some other people invented gNewSense which its ubuntu free |
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| 11:06.17 | nkuttler | ViZ: biggest difference are usually the admin tools and file hierarchy |
| 11:06.20 | soapman | I wouldn't say Ubuntu doesn't care about freeness. They're just less strict about it. |
| 11:06.38 | ViZ | i've read red hat is a totally different story, as its commercialized.. but for example, where do linux distros like debian and centos or fedora diverge? |
| 11:06.54 | soapman | I mean... Iceweasel exists because of a logo. |
| 11:07.06 | themill | wonders if ##linux would be better |
| 11:07.19 | ViZ | yea, sorry for the open-ended question |
| 11:07.46 | d3x | ViZ, first of all package management system |
| 11:07.57 | soapman | ViZ: ultimately it'll depend mostly on the main tools the system uses, like the package manager, and the packages you install. |
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| 11:08.45 | ViZ | ok, so its mostly a matter of taste depending on the software you'd rather use? |
| 11:08.59 | zumbi | soapman: sure (about does not care), i was not precise enough |
| 11:09.37 | soapman | the repositories... the philosophy... it is, indeed, mostly a matter of taste. Red Hat, for instance, is more popular among developers, while Ubuntu is more popular among end-users |
| 11:09.58 | soapman | and Debian is known for being more stable than the rest |
| 11:10.14 | soapman | but that's arguable =P |
| 11:10.38 | zumbi | ViZ: one thing is for sure, there is no bussiness behind debian scene, while there is behind the others. Also Debian takes others (suse, redhat,...) work in the packaging |
| 11:11.02 | d3x | even a mix of squeeze, sid and experimental is more stable than ubuntu lts :) |
| 11:11.26 | zumbi | d3x: i herad freat thing about ubuntu remix |
| 11:11.31 | zumbi | s,herad,heard |
| 11:11.40 | Tux^verdreifelt | ubuntu is bs |
| 11:11.46 | zumbi | s,freat,good |
| 11:11.53 | ViZ | zumbi, soapman: thanks for the info :) |
| 11:12.39 | zumbi | ViZ: people usually tests many distros, then use what they feel more confortable with |
| 11:13.15 | d3x | tried debian and fell in love with it :P |
| 11:13.35 | Tux^verdreifelt | zumbi: people tend to let others test and only read the resumees |
| 11:13.39 | Tux^verdreifelt | so did i ;o) |
| 11:13.54 | ViZ | zumbi: thing is, coming from MS, i didn't quite get the difference between kubuntu and debian.. given i can choose a gui and the bash seems to be the same.. i guess it depends on the packages i install (of which i don't know much about the variety) |
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| 11:15.45 | soapman | well, if you use the same shell and gui and that's all yo pay attention to, even freebsd and debian will look the same lol |
| 11:15.57 | zumbi | ViZ: in case you have nvidia card, which runs propietary firmware (iirc), then debian is an extra hassle to install the driver, default its a free driver. Kubuntu default is propietary driver. That would just be one example. |
| 11:16.38 | ViZ | oh ok |
| 11:16.43 | d3x | (k)ubuntu defaults to neuavueueaue-however-you-spell-it i think :) |
| 11:17.11 | d3x | but it asks to install proprietary drivers on first run |
| 11:17.13 | zumbi | ViZ: in our GNU world, we like to keep free, so we can modify any bit is wrong, in nvidia case you have to live with the bug and wait for them to fix it |
| 11:17.35 | ViZ | and in terms of server management, how does debian rank/facilitate tasks? |
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| 11:18.20 | zumbi | ViZ: those things are very much in common, that's why ubuntu is a derived distro from debian |
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| 11:18.45 | zumbi | they just copy from the good ones ;-) |
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| 11:19.11 | ViZ | yea, i love open-source :) |
| 11:19.30 | greenmang0 | does anybody know how to access IBM System P5 BIOS? i want to install Debian over it... but not able to set first boot device to DVDROM |
| 11:19.59 | greenmang0 | when i press 8 it asks me for password... after enter a password i get mysql like ">" prompt |
| 11:20.06 | d3x | greenmang0, tried reading bootup messages? it should say something like press <X> to enter setup |
| 11:20.13 | zumbi | ViZ: welcome to open, free source, once you are used to it, it is hard to go back to propietary stuff (it is useless) |
| 11:20.18 | d3x | where <X> is usually F2 or DEL |
| 11:20.31 | greenmang0 | d3x: it says press 8 to access Firmware |
| 11:20.35 | petemc | greenmang0: is that ppc? |
| 11:20.37 | d3x | also it's pretty common that F8 displays boot menu |
| 11:20.47 | petemc | greenmang0: that'll be open firmware, at a guess |
| 11:21.03 | d3x | i think you don't want to access firmware |
| 11:21.16 | petemc | you probably do if you want to boot something |
| 11:21.23 | greenmang0 | d3x petemc ... ok ... let me try |
| 11:21.38 | ViZ | zumbi: its not like i can modify linux, but i still believe in the concept... seems logical as i work on drupal (open-source cms) |
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| 11:22.02 | zumbi | ViZ: you'll get into it... :) |
| 11:22.04 | d3x | ViZ, of course you can modify linux |
| 11:22.12 | d3x | it might just be hard to start :) |
| 11:22.42 | ViZ | d3x: i know i can, technically... its just not within my expertise... maybe a few scripts sometime in the future |
| 11:23.04 | Bop | <BloodyBitch> comprei preservativos no japao, so para ver se era verdade a cena | <BloodyBitch> sao mais pequenos!! |
| 11:23.06 | ViZ | d3x: right now i'm just playing with it to get to know it as a server environment |
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| 11:23.27 | d3x | Bop, english pls |
| 11:23.32 | Bop | sorry sorry |
| 11:23.41 | Bop | this xchat makes ames for all networks connected :| |
| 11:23.52 | zumbi | ViZ: also take into account learning curve is _____ (i miss this word in my vocabulary). So, take it easy. |
| 11:24.18 | Bop | ill translate : the girl bought condoms on Japan to check if they are really small as they say... and they are ! |
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| 11:24.37 | ViZ | lol |
| 11:24.52 | d3x | Bop, ;) |
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| 11:25.48 | d3x | zumbi, 'hard'? 'bumpy'? 'steep'? |
| 11:25.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Anyone able to point me how to remap " AltGr 5 " to give me the euros sign it's meant to? |
| 11:25.57 | d3x | jpinx-eeepc, #xorg probably |
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| 11:28.23 | soapman | jpinx-eeepc: you're probably using the wrong layout... better fix it instead of trying to remap single keys |
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| 11:31.35 | SparFux | jpinx I can help you. |
| 11:31.47 | jnss | how do we adjust services |
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| 11:32.59 | SparFux | jpinx: in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/jppinx_symbols |
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| 11:33.30 | SparFux | key <AE05> { [ NoSymbol, NoSymbol, EuroSign, cent ] }; |
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| 11:37.24 | jpinx-eeepc | soapman: it's a spanish kbd in an eeepc and everything else is fine |
| 11:38.05 | soapman | huh. What's the sign you're getting? |
| 11:38.16 | fifou_ | see you! |
| 11:38.34 | SparFux | jpinx: perhaps your character set is wrong. |
| 11:39.24 | Squirm | how do I download debian from the ftp mirror? Im looking for something like an iso |
| 11:39.36 | greenmang0 | d3x: petemc: F2 F8 DEL ... nothing is working |
| 11:39.52 | soapman | Squirm: debian.org |
| 11:40.15 | d3x | greenmang0, press PAUSE and scan screen for instructions on how to enter bios/setup |
| 11:40.38 | Squirm | soapman: well, im on the local ftp mirror |
| 11:40.50 | soapman | and...? |
| 11:41.11 | Squirm | nevermind, found the mini.iso |
| 11:41.23 | soapman | well done! |
| 11:41.25 | greenmang0 | d3x: i just get 4 options on screen '1 - SMS Menu 8- Open Firmware 5-Default Boot List 6-Stored Boot list' |
| 11:41.26 | soapman | ¬¬ |
| 11:41.41 | petemc | greenmang0: read up on open firmware |
| 11:41.59 | greenmang0 | d3x: for all options it asks me to enter admin password... and when i enter password i get "ok" and ">" prompt |
| 11:42.02 | greenmang0 | petemc: ok |
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| 11:42.30 | jpinx-eeepc | soapman: it is giving me the half fraction sign ½ |
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| 11:43.12 | macrobat | jpinx-eeepc: with "xmodmap -pke | grep -i euro" i get "keycode 26 = e E e E EuroSign cent EuroSign cent odiaeresis Odiaeresis braceright bracketright period greater ecircumflex periodcentered" |
| 11:43.44 | macrobat | and three other lines, i'm on swedish layout |
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| 11:44.03 | jpinx-eeepc | macrobat: not quite sure what to do with that info.... |
| 11:44.37 | soapman | jpinx-eeepc: try altgt + 3 |
| 11:44.42 | soapman | oops altgr + e |
| 11:44.47 | macrobat | this might be more what you want "keycode 14 = 5 percent 5 percent EuroSign cent EuroSign cent 5 percent EuroSign cent 5 percent" |
| 11:45.15 | jpinx-eeepc | soapman: gets the cigar â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬ :) |
| 11:45.21 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks guys |
| 11:45.34 | soapman | no problemo, amigo. |
| 11:45.39 | SparFux | Wâ¬ll don¢ |
| 11:45.48 | jpinx-eeepc | hâ¬h |
| 11:46.09 | jelly | Compose E = |
| 11:46.18 | macrobat | É |
| 11:46.42 | macrobat | ah, there |
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| 11:47.04 | jpinx-eeepc | good grief - I have a ruck of other wierdnesses ÃðÄŶŧâÅħ |
| 11:47.32 | jelly | setxkbmap -option eurosign:e |
| 11:47.48 | soapman | yes... that's for people who know sign language, I believe. |
| 11:48.34 | soapman | I'm looking for a keyboard with the "Prince" sign so I can change my name as well. |
| 11:48.51 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is a prince sign ? |
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| 11:49.35 | epsilon | jpinx-eeepc: your age is <20? |
| 11:49.39 | jelly | the artist formerly known as "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" used a custom glyph |
| 11:50.03 | jelly | epsilon: his age is >50, kiddo |
| 11:50.05 | jpinx-eeepc | is one the wiser |
| 11:50.49 | epsilon | ah OK, became intellectually independent before prince came... |
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| 11:50.57 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: you missed the eighties! |
| 11:51.14 | soapman | I didn't miss it. Can't say I remember it, though. =P |
| 11:51.23 | jpinx-eeepc | was living in India in teh 80's |
| 11:51.36 | soapman | how cool... like the Beatles! |
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| 11:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | nah - they followed me |
| 11:52.51 | soapman | yes. Their acid trip was just so fast they got there before you. |
| 11:53.56 | Mowee | Hi : ) |
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| 11:54.24 | jpinx-eeepc | soapman: I arrived in India long before that ;) |
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| 11:55.13 | gelpg | hi, I'm looking for an application |
| 11:55.49 | epsilon | apt-cache search |
| 11:56.09 | gelpg | what shows me what types somebody real time in bash |
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| 11:56.14 | jelly | soapman: Their acid trip was just so fast they got there before themselves. |
| 11:56.15 | gelpg | I don't know the name |
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| 11:56.29 | hanibanaa | hi all |
| 11:56.40 | epsilon | gelpg; keylogger? |
| 11:57.02 | soapman | the ancient "write" might do it. |
| 11:57.07 | hanibanaa | I want to download a deb packages with all of its dependencies to the CURRENT directory. Is it possibe? |
| 11:57.08 | jelly | gelpg: screen can do that if the user allows you to. |
| 11:57.17 | gelpg | jelly: thanks |
| 11:57.25 | gelpg | jelly: i just forgot the name |
| 11:57.35 | jelly | gelpg: are you looking for a cooperation tool or a surveillance tool? |
| 11:58.00 | gelpg | jelly: cooperation, of course |
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| 11:58.18 | jelly | gelpg: then you can just log in both as the same user and share one screen session |
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| 11:58.35 | jelly | one starts in, the other uses screen -x |
| 11:58.37 | gelpg | jelly: yes, the screen is the app, I just forgot the name |
| 11:58.46 | gelpg | jelly: thanks once again |
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| 12:00.16 | RMCampos | hi all |
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| 12:01.56 | RMCampos | I have a netbook acer aspire one ZA3 with Intel graphic controller, but don't work with "intel" Driver in xorg.conf |
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| 12:02.41 | RMCampos | but work with "vesa" driver |
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| 12:03.43 | RMCampos | some body? |
| 12:03.45 | soapman | is package xserver-xorg-video-intel installed> |
| 12:03.46 | soapman | ? |
| 12:03.53 | RMCampos | soapman: yes |
| 12:04.05 | talin | hello. what's some good anti-virus software for debian? i need it in order to scan e-mail for spam |
| 12:04.09 | talin | and viruses |
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| 12:04.37 | petemc | talin: clamav is popular |
| 12:04.48 | petemc | doesnt do spam scanning tho |
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| 12:04.52 | petemc | afaik |
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| 12:04.57 | talin | okay, i see |
| 12:05.11 | petemc | most people use it in combination with spamassassin or dspam |
| 12:05.11 | RMCampos | soapman: any idea? |
| 12:06.26 | soapman | try Xorg -config xorg.conf |
| 12:06.31 | joltcan | amavis is a good tool to combine all of the above |
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| 12:06.33 | talin | hm, so amavis + clamav would be good |
| 12:06.35 | soapman | and copy that to /etc/X11/ .. |
| 12:06.45 | soapman | backup the current one first |
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| 12:07.22 | RMCampos | soapman: ok |
| 12:07.23 | jelly | RMCampos: how old is that machine model? lspci -nn line for the video card? |
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| 12:10.07 | RMCampos | jelly: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corportation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
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| 12:10.14 | jelly | RMCampos: that's not from lspci -nn, or you omitted the interesting part (pci id number) |
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| 12:11.05 | talin | how can i check if a package is already installed on my debian-machien? |
| 12:11.28 | SparFux | talin: aptitude search and installed packages have i as first character in line. |
| 12:12.50 | SparFux | talin: ok dpkg --status packagename |
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| 12:12.51 | RMCampos | jelly: ahh |
| 12:12.51 | talin | SparFux: thank you. what is v and p |
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| 12:12.51 | SparFux | talin: v is virtual package and p is purged status, that is not installed and no config left. |
| 12:12.51 | SparFux | talin: c is removed, but config files still there. |
| 12:13.05 | talin | SparFux: ah, great. thanks a lot |
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| 12:14.22 | RMCampos | jelly: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller [8086:8108] (rev 07) |
| 12:15.27 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:8108 |
| 12:15.29 | judd | [8086:8108] is 'System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:8108 |
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| 12:15.41 | jelly | ah, poulsbo |
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| 12:16.10 | jelly | RMCampos: don't know of free drivers for that chip so far. |
| 12:17.27 | RMCampos | jelly: but I find the proprietary driver? |
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| 12:20.34 | jelly | RMCampos: I have no experience with poulsbo, so can't comment |
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| 12:22.30 | RMCampos | jelly: =/ thanks |
| 12:23.18 | jelly | RMCampos: you might have to run the OS that came with it, sorry |
| 12:24.28 | RMCampos | jelly: ok |
| 12:24.59 | jelly | RMCampos: there are some tips on how to use an EeePC model with poulsbo here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1101HA?highlight=%28poulsbo%29 |
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| 12:26.39 | RMCampos | jelly: ok |
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| 12:27.02 | greenmang0 | d3x: petemc: setting up boot device done through SMS Menu :) |
| 12:27.12 | greenmang0 | thanks! |
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| 12:27.19 | greenmang0 | but now another problem |
| 12:27.34 | greenmang0 | when i got "boot: " prompt of Debian CD |
| 12:27.54 | greenmang0 | i entered "install" as instructed on the screen |
| 12:28.00 | greenmang0 | got a white screen |
| 12:28.11 | greenmang0 | so tried again with "install video=ofonly" |
| 12:28.17 | greenmang0 | but same screen appears |
| 12:28.32 | greenmang0 | what to do?? |
| 12:28.35 | greenmang0 | any ideas? |
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| 12:29.21 | greenmang0 | d3x: petemc : http://paste.debian.net/69720/ ... this is what i get on screen |
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| 12:33.49 | sphenxes01 | I would like to open 2-3 movies at the same time with totem. On my compute totem is allowed only to open one movie/totem. any suggestions please |
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| 12:38.09 | arand | sphenxes01: Use "totem --no-existing-sesstion" |
| 12:38.22 | sphenxes01 | arand thanks |
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| 12:49.30 | g00se | Is there any way i can debug the arguments that a program receives that are passed in from the shell? |
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| 12:51.21 | abrotman | debug ? |
| 12:51.22 | Titan8990 | g00se: example? |
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| 12:51.56 | talin | g00se: start the program with a shell-script and access the arguments with $1, $2 etc in the shell-script |
| 12:52.19 | g00se | I'm passing groups to find through another app e.g. find /tmp \( -iname \*.class \) |
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| 12:53.01 | g00se | talin: Thanks, just started doing that kind of thing |
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| 12:53.45 | jelly | g00se: echo "$@" 1>&2 ? :-) |
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| 12:58.27 | macrobat | g00se: maybe set -x |
| 12:58.32 | djura-san | Hello. i have one question: is it better to use stable netinstall img for creating debian sid sys or is it better to use devel netinstall img? im not sure will that unstable img screw something up while i install it :\ |
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| 12:59.20 | rvsjoen | i'm sorry, but if you have to ask that, chances are you shouldn't be running sid in the first place |
| 13:00.23 | djura-san | yes i see your point but im using sid for some time but i never did a claen netinstall installation :\ |
| 13:00.25 | djura-san | *clean |
| 13:00.27 | macrobat | someone here just had problems with a testing installer |
| 13:01.00 | g00se | This is driving me nuts! Can anyone see what could be wrong here? http://debian.pastebin.com/bqgywM7b |
| 13:01.17 | rvsjoen | but to answer you question, I always use the stable netinstall, and go from there |
| 13:01.46 | djura-san | rvsjoen: i see. I will try it that way then :) |
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| 13:02.57 | abrotman | g00se: there's no *.class file ? |
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| 13:03.31 | g00se | abrotman: No - that's not it i don't think as when i run find alone, it doesn't report an error |
| 13:03.58 | kermit | how do i pass mount options to the root filesystem? |
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| 13:05.09 | abrotman | g00se: have you tried to ask #java ? |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | kermit: in /etc/fstab |
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| 13:05.30 | g00se | abrotman: Not sure it's a java issue. There wasn't one. So i put one in and got the same error. find evidently thinks that the group is another path |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | what is $CP ? |
| 13:06.27 | g00se | So it might be to do with escape characters in the shell. CP is just the classpath |
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| 13:08.36 | kermit | abrotman: i didn't think that worked, but someone else just suggested that, are you sure? |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | kermit: probably depends on the options .. you're not disclosing any info |
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| 13:10.51 | kermit | abrotman: i just didnt have the impression grub/fs/kernel was reading /etc/fstab before mounting / .. i thought i tried and it wasnt |
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| 13:11.10 | abrotman | or still don't tell us ... |
| 13:11.23 | abrotman | you could alter your bootloader? |
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| 13:13.39 | g00se | Here's another version resulting in the same error. THis could give some bright spark here a clue: http://debian.pastebin.com/XYRFF8P0 |
| 13:14.11 | g00se | thinks it would help if pastebinit didn't keep breaking |
| 13:14.26 | abrotman | are you doing that esscaping? |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | g00se: try paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:15.00 | g00se | abrotman: I think i have yesterday. That was broken. I'll try again now |
| 13:16.05 | jelly | echo foo | pastebin -b http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:16.09 | jelly | sh: pastebin: not found |
| 13:16.14 | jelly | http://paste.debian.net/69724/ |
| 13:16.50 | jelly | *it |
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| 13:17.52 | jelly | g00se: you want to give find "(", "-iname", "*.class", ")" as separate arguments |
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| 13:18.45 | g00se | jelly: Instead of one String then? You could be right! |
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| 13:19.23 | talin | hello. i would like upgrade a package that i have installed. what is wrong if it says "0 upgraded" and not very much output in general when i do "apt-get upgrade nameofpackage" |
| 13:20.18 | PinkFreud | because apt-get upgrade is to upgrade your system, not a package. use 'install', and also do 'man apt-get' |
| 13:21.01 | talin | PinkFreud: hmm, okay. it still says 0 upgraded, but maybe that means there is no debian package of hte latest version of the program (clamav) |
| 13:21.20 | PinkFreud | because you're still using apt-get upgrade |
| 13:21.24 | talin | PinkFreud: i am doing: apt-get install clamav |
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| 13:21.38 | PinkFreud | if there's no newer version, apt-get will tell you that explicitly. |
| 13:21.47 | talin | PinkFreud: oh... strange |
| 13:21.55 | PinkFreud | you'll want to do apt-get update first. |
| 13:22.05 | PinkFreud | again, 'man apt-get' is your friend. |
| 13:22.12 | talin | thanks a lot noble sir |
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| 13:22.46 | linduxed | can a LUKS passphrase be changed, or will i have to do something like reencrypt everything? |
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| 13:25.35 | PinkFreud | linduxed: yes, it can |
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| 13:26.21 | PinkFreud | linduxed: in particular, luks supports multiple password slots. add a new passphrase to another slot, then delete the slot containing the old passphrase. |
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| 13:27.49 | talin | seems like there's no clamav 0.96 for debian yet |
| 13:27.58 | PinkFreud | not in lenny. |
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| 13:28.55 | PinkFreud | 0.96 is only in sid for the moment. |
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| 13:29.16 | zfra | I'm having an error with wget, Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001 : Bad port number. Tried purging anon-proxy and setting variables 'http_proxy= ' still not working, any ideas? |
| 13:29.24 | PinkFreud | er, looks like lenny-volatile has 0.95.3 |
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| 13:30.08 | PinkFreud | zfra: try --no-proxy |
| 13:31.16 | PinkFreud | zfra: also check for ~/.wgetrc |
| 13:31.32 | PinkFreud | zfra: and, er, 'man wget' :) |
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| 13:34.08 | zfra | PinkFreud: problem solved, thanks!, so I can reinstall anon-proxy and do wget with --no-proxy without further problems I assume? |
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| 13:41.36 | PinkFreud | zfra: I guess :) |
| 13:42.07 | kermit | abrotman: the fstab options are not being read before mounting |
| 13:42.15 | Rapsodius | I want to change my internet setings( through /etc/network/interfaces) but like the IP address to still be obtained with DHCp |
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| 13:44.17 | PinkFreud | Rapsodius: I don't understand the problem |
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| 13:45.48 | wols | Rapsodius: did you ´look at the dhclient config file? |
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| 13:46.52 | g00se | jeely: i think you're *definitely* onto something. It's embarrassing as i've made the point to Java students many times, and i'm meant to be an 'expert' ;) Still not there though: http://debian.pastebin.com/yp3E09s2 |
| 13:47.07 | Rapsodius | wols: no, but seems this is what I want to do |
| 13:47.36 | wols | Rapsodius: you can do things there like no get the DNS server via dhcp and such. so you can then set it manually |
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| 13:48.11 | Rapsodius | wols: excellent! thanks |
| 13:48.22 | g00se | jelly: i think you're *definitely* onto something. It's embarrassing as i've made the point to Java students many times, and i'm meant to be an 'expert' ;) Still not there though: http://debian.pastebin.com/yp3E09s2 |
| 13:48.33 | g00se | (Wrong name sorry) |
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| 13:50.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Well the shift+delete or the delete shortcut keys are not working nautilus to delete a file. any idea? |
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| 13:53.08 | jelly | g00se: it seems vaguely correct there. care to strace it? |
| 13:53.34 | g00se | jelly: Great idea! |
| 13:53.34 | jelly | g00se: strace -f or -ff, that it |
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| 14:03.05 | g00se | jelly: This is the 'grep find' of the log: http://debian.pastebin.com/uc1TiT9x |
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| 14:04.15 | themill | g00se: why are your parens quoted? |
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| 14:05.00 | jelly | also, why is *.class quoted |
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| 14:05.26 | g00se | I started out not quoting. I'll try again |
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| 14:05.41 | jelly | g00se: the quotes and escapes and needed and used by the shell when one runs that command in a shell, or system() |
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| 14:06.10 | jelly | you're using execve directly, so don't quote anything |
| 14:06.34 | talin | hello. when i do "apt-cache search clamav", why doesn't it show me the version number? |
| 14:07.20 | isfranc | apt-cache show ?? |
| 14:07.31 | Vroomfondle | because apt-cache search never does that unless the package name has a version number in it |
| 14:07.34 | jelly | talin: because that's not what that command does. Try apt-cache policy foo or apt-cache show foo. |
| 14:08.00 | talin | jelly, isfranc: thank you |
| 14:09.11 | g00se | http://debian.pastebin.com/wuBjfd4J is unquoted |
| 14:09.49 | djura-san | Im off. Have a nice day :) |
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| 14:10.13 | themill | g00se: you have extra spaces around ( and ) still |
| 14:10.38 | themill | g00se: the shell normally does all this splitting and space-removing for you. If you're going to use execve, you need to do it yourself |
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| 14:11.01 | g00se | themill: I thought those *had* to be there? |
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| 14:11.11 | silas | Hello all. |
| 14:11.55 | themill | g00se: they have to be there on the shell command line so they are separate arguments to find. That's different to them being in the argument list. |
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| 14:15.01 | g00se | themill: That's confusing ;) OK - i'll try it |
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| 14:15.42 | themill | g00se: not really... just remember that bash uses whitespace to delimit the arguments to execve, whereas in java, you are using "" around the arguments and need a comma between them. |
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| 14:17.43 | g00se | themill: Bingo! That did it. I would never have got that without you guys. Thanks. btw, i hope i'm not misguided in thinking that find can't take a file of patterns..? |
| 14:17.55 | themill | g00se: you might like to look at the output of: «strace -eexecve sh -c "find /tmp \( -iname '*.class' \)"» to see how bash does the whitespace splitting and also removes all the quoting from the arguments. The quoting is there only for bash's enjoyment. |
| 14:18.50 | g00se | themill: Thanks. This kind of stuff needs to be studied really |
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| 14:25.28 | NoReflex | hello! I have a machine with a few sata drives and lenny installed. dmesg | gre sata gives http://debian.privatepaste.com/3527c33151 ... why does UDMA133 appear there and after that line it says SATA link up 3.0 Gbps ... isn't udma133 for sata1 (sata150). AFAIK 3.0 Gbps is SATA2 (SATA300). |
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| 14:42.40 | Pnux | hey, im using an application that needs mysql, i already got a mysql server running, but the sock isnt in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock as its expected.. i made a symlink from the location of mysqld.sock to where it is supposed to be and it worked.. the problem is that after rebooting, the sylink is gone, how can i make it permanent? |
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| 14:44.48 | lsd | Pnux, this is probably the wrong channel. but look at the 'socket = ' option in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 14:45.36 | Ickarus | hi, i try to install debian testing netinstaller via usb but i get the notification taht i have no cd rom drive, there is none in the laptop, what can i do? |
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| 14:52.48 | Cope | what's the best option to get php5.2 on squeeze |
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| 14:54.52 | NoReflex | Ickarus: are you sure it says you don't have a CD-ROM drive...or does it say there's no ISO on the drive? |
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| 14:56.18 | NoReflex | Ickarus: following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en (the flexible way) always worked for me; don't forget to copy the iso to the usb drive after making it bootable and copying the required files (vmlinuz, initrd.gz) |
| 14:56.28 | Ickarus | i can boot the iso and getinto the installer, but the he says it to me, i used the unetbootin under windows, i have used it for other distros and it worked |
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| 14:58.32 | gnuword | I've compiled lirc (lirc-0.8.6) and installed it with kernel 2.6.32-bpo.3-686. I get the following error [ 3772.186191] lirc_dev " no symbol version for module_layout". I'm a bit stumped |
| 14:58.33 | NoReflex | Ickarus: unetbootin did not work for me with the netinstaller image (never cared to investigate why because using the instructions from debian is almost as simple) |
| 14:59.18 | Ickarus | NoReflex, ok ty then i will take a look |
| 14:59.21 | Ickarus | on it |
| 14:59.35 | NoReflex | Ickarus: good luck |
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| 14:59.38 | Cope | I'm running on squeeze (anticipating squeeze->stable) but my devs say they want PHP 5.2 not 5.3 |
| 14:59.47 | Cope | how plausible would it be to use PHP from lenny? |
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| 15:00.50 | vasundhar | I am running debian and installed linux image from backports linux-image 2.6.32-bpo and facing many problems relating to compatibility. now I want to downgrade kernel how to do it ? |
| 15:01.22 | wols | vasundhar: just install whatever kernel you want |
| 15:01.41 | wols | vasundhar: chances are, the old lenny kernel is still on your disk. just boot frm it |
| 15:02.02 | vasundhar | yes I have it in /boot |
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| 15:02.16 | themill | Cope: you're jumping the gun on squeeze being stable by a few months; you'd have to compile php yourslf and probably do your own security support. Convince your developers to write code that works across multiple php version (and try convincing the php developers to stop breaking things every five minutes... being like ruby is *not* a competitive advantage) |
| 15:02.55 | Cope | grins |
| 15:03.18 | Cope | the app is drupal6... which is rather a big ask to make it work nicely with 5.3 |
| 15:03.59 | wols | Cope: ask your developers what they do when squeeze is stable and it (and all other distros) use php 5.3. Will they then rewrite their shitty code (code which only runs on a special version of php is shitty) |
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| 15:04.20 | vasundhar | wols: I have not switched to new kernel yet, because it had some post dpkg-conf problems |
| 15:04.26 | Cope | wols: quite |
| 15:04.31 | wols | Cope: it's their job to do that. all the accomplish is that the task to convert it to 5.3 compliancy is harder in the end |
| 15:04.44 | wols | vasundhar: then what is your problem? |
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| 15:04.58 | Pnux | wols: shitty is such a soft word to describe that kind of devs |
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| 15:05.17 | wols | Pnux: we're talking about php devs. it's implied :P |
| 15:05.27 | vasundhar | aptitude keeps complaining to upgrade some, keep some and downgrade some repeatedly. |
| 15:05.42 | wols | Cope: if you really want to make them angry, ask if they write IE6 compatible html only :P |
| 15:05.50 | wols | !tell vasundhar about bat |
| 15:06.00 | Cope | grins |
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| 15:06.49 | Cope | so... something like add a deb-src for lenny, apt-get build-dep php5 apt-get -b source php5? |
| 15:06.58 | Cope | would do inmeantime |
| 15:07.53 | Pnux | Cope: or just download the source from php.net and compile it yourself |
| 15:07.53 | wols | basically a reverse backport. of course you can als try to simply install leny .debs. it might work |
| 15:08.07 | wols | Pnux: that's the worst way to do it |
| 15:08.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Well the shift+delete or the delete shortcut keys are not working nautilus to delete a file. any idea? |
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| 15:08.58 | Cope | wols: yeah i was thinking the above would effectively be the reverse of a backport |
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| 15:09.30 | lsd | don't suppose anybody knows what voodoo i have to perform to rebuild the mysql-server-5.1 package with ndbcluster enabled? |
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| 15:09.48 | Cope | Pnux: dude, the -present- called - they say they have package management tools now! |
| 15:09.58 | wols | lsd: do you know how to build the normal mysql server source with this clustering enabled? |
| 15:10.17 | lsd | i can build from upstream sources, sure |
| 15:10.34 | lsd | but i was hoping to just be cheeky and end up with something Real Similar to the official debian package :P |
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| 15:11.55 | wols | lsd: so what do you need to do to build with the clustering? basically do the same with the debian sources. just run "dpkg-buildpackage" instad of "configure;make" |
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| 15:12.33 | dekroning | anybody know why i would get the following error? http://pastebin.com/yvA1kisu |
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| 15:13.14 | lsd | to enable ndbcluster, i expected that removing the debian/patches/ patch which removes some ndb stuff, as well as removing the "--without-ndbcluster" from debian/rules would be enough |
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| 15:13.57 | lsd | but that causes an inconsistent build. the ndb plugin doesn't appear to get built but the rest of the build system thinks it is |
| 15:14.08 | lsd | i know how to build packages normally |
| 15:14.36 | lsd | so far i haven't found anything obvious |
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| 15:19.15 | darkschneider | hello, any debian way of changing the default compiler version (i.e. quite classical i need an older gcc version to get called instead of the new one) |
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| 15:20.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Yerziknot about root |
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| 15:20.55 | setuid | Can someone guide me through how to get ldap working over SSL with the way Debian does it? (gnutls vs. openssl). Because of the license paranoia, gnutls + ldaps seesm to be completely incompatible. |
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| 15:21.09 | setuid | So Debian users can't run ldap over ssl, without building all of it from source, bypassing the gnutls crutch. |
| 15:21.14 | themill | darkschneider: "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" if the makefile is sensibly written. "/msg dpkg nvidia compiler fix" for a way to do so if the makefile is stupid |
| 15:21.29 | darkschneider | ythanks |
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| 15:23.11 | darkschneider | but luck for me it's not nvidia related :D and I wrote the makefile (i did the autocrap actually) so i hope to live happly, but anyway it's only shell related... no way to change the simlink globally with a nice system script? |
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| 15:23.35 | themill | darkschneider: no, and it's not recommended that you do so. |
| 15:24.20 | darkschneider | i agree, i would like to use the most recent gcc, but since it's hours i debug this code and the only missing thing i did not roll back is gcc :D |
| 15:24.52 | likevinyl | is away: "el pez por la boca muere". |
| 15:24.54 | darkschneider | you know... worth a try.... those guys from mtl (matrix template library) are quite evil :D |
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| 15:25.25 | themill | darkschneider: if it's autofoo based, then CC=/path/to/gcc should work |
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| 15:27.19 | darkschneider | themill: yep, indeed testing now, the point is the should, i need to find out if make is calling the right one now :) |
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| 15:31.00 | Titan8990 | gnuword: ask lirc upstream |
| 15:31.18 | setuid | Anyone? |
| 15:31.26 | gnuword | Titan8990: Thanks |
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| 15:33.08 | nvz | bah |
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| 15:34.14 | dekroning | i keep getting "(EE) intel(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync" when trying to start X, anyone have a clue what SDVO output is ? |
| 15:35.19 | jelly | some digital video output, I guess |
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| 15:35.51 | dekroning | wondering whats failing to sync then |
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| 15:37.02 | adb | dekroning, google your error |
| 15:37.24 | jelly | the output device connected to that output (LCD panel, or a monitor) |
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| 15:38.04 | dekroning | jelly: that would mean i need a xorg.conf file then, people in here, act all weird when saying i've got a xorg.conf file :-) |
| 15:38.17 | jelly | dekroning: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf |
| 15:38.26 | dekroning | k |
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| 15:47.19 | Computer | does Lenny create an updatedb.conf by default? |
| 15:48.59 | themill | Computer: depends what you mean by "default". |
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| 15:49.31 | Computer | when installing the packages that imply the updatedb program, i guess |
| 15:49.32 | jelly | Computer: if locate or mlocate or dlocate is installed, it will be created. |
| 15:49.41 | Computer | ah, yeah |
| 15:50.12 | Computer | yeah i definitely don't have one. strange |
| 15:50.13 | jelly | possibly other *locates were packaged in the meantime |
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| 15:51.05 | jelly | ,file bin/locate |
| 15:51.09 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 15:51.14 | jelly | ,file bin/locate* |
| 15:51.17 | judd | bin/locate* in lenny/i386: atlc: usr/bin/locatediff; locate: usr/bin/locate.findutils |
| 15:51.46 | jelly | themill: hm, does judd know about alternatives. |
| 15:51.49 | themill | judd: alternatives :( |
| 15:52.37 | themill | jelly: it only knows about the target and only if it's in the same directory, same name etc. |
| 15:52.48 | jelly | ,file bin/updatedb |
| 15:52.51 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 15:52.53 | jelly | ,file bin/updatedb* |
| 15:52.56 | judd | bin/updatedb* in lenny/i386: mlocate: usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate; locate: usr/bin/updatedb.findutils |
| 15:53.03 | jelly | that's more like it |
| 15:53.36 | themill | ,file /usr/lib/jvm/*/bin/javac |
| 15:53.38 | jhutchins | ,file usr/bin/apropos |
| 15:53.39 | judd | /usr/lib/jvm/*/bin/javac in lenny/i386: sun-java5-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17/bin/javac; sun-java6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/bin/javac; openjdk-6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/javac; java-gcj-compat-dev: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/bin/javac |
| 15:53.43 | judd | usr/bin/apropos in lenny/i386: man-db: usr/bin/apropos |
| 15:53.57 | jelly | forsome reason, dlocate and mlocate binaries are called "dlocate" and "mlocate", alternatives be damned |
| 15:54.13 | themill | jelly: that's not uncommon. |
| 15:54.26 | jelly | because it's probably _very_ useful to have multiple locates installed |
| 15:54.27 | themill | (dlocate isn't an alternative) |
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| 15:54.53 | jhutchins | Try as we might, not everybody plays by the same rules. |
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| 15:55.03 | jelly | there's no virtual package to be Provided either |
| 15:55.05 | jhutchins | There's some distro that doesn't have apropos. |
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| 15:55.39 | jelly | er, except, dlocate isn't a locate-like tool, my bad |
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| 15:55.53 | jelly | but mlocate is! |
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| 15:56.13 | jhutchins | slocate? |
| 15:56.14 | jelly | jhutchins: man -k is shorter to type anyway! |
| 15:56.25 | themill | jelly: tab completion |
| 15:56.39 | jelly | the-dude: no |
| 15:56.39 | Computer | is there a version that will store the ctime or mtime for each file within the index? |
| 15:56.53 | themill | jelly: each of the alternatives for /usr/bin/editor are in /usr/bin/ or /bin too, but judd's never going to be able to tell you about that. |
| 15:57.06 | jelly | themill: dumb bot!~ |
| 15:57.14 | themill | jelly: make it no! |
| 15:57.23 | jelly | so* |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | themill: let me first parse the archive and tag all the alternative stuffs |
| 15:58.09 | themill | \o/ |
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| 15:58.41 | benji_ | Does anyone know how to tell backup-manager to run at a specific time? |
| 15:58.50 | jelly | Computer: a version of what? |
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| 15:59.15 | _Trullo | If I install a bunch of drives using LVM, is it possible to just take out a disk and access it on some other computer? |
| 15:59.39 | Computer | jelly: *locate |
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| 15:59.53 | Computer | so that i can locate and sort by a date range |
| 16:00.01 | Computer | or filter, rather |
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| 16:03.19 | the-dude | jelly: no what? |
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| 16:04.17 | jelly | the-dude: sorry, miscompletion |
| 16:05.27 | jelly | Computer: oh, I guess you can always pipe the results to tr '\n' '\0'|xargs -0 ls --sort=time |
| 16:05.29 | themill | !confuse the-dude |
| 16:05.30 | dpkg | Yes, where was my pineapple tomorrow, the-dude? Shirts of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra crabpaste. |
| 16:08.17 | Computer | good idea, jelly |
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| 16:10.12 | the-dude | *g* thanks themill |
| 16:11.21 | themill | any time |
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| 16:14.35 | jelly | theoverload |
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| 16:20.56 | dekroning | jelly: didn't paste it, sooner was looking at the output my self first :-) http://pastebin.com/2EssNNjR |
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| 16:21.39 | dekroning | jelly: and this is the xorg config http://pastebin.com/qKwiHM1Z |
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| 16:22.00 | masu3701 | i was able to create a samba share and access it from my other pc on the network...but how can the client pc drag and drop files to the share? |
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| 16:24.53 | masu3701 | is it possible? |
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| 16:25.14 | superlinux | i want to enable vesafb . how? |
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| 16:27.14 | jhutchins | Computer: find might be a better tool for what you're trying to do. |
| 16:28.10 | dekroning | jelly: figured out that SDVO stands for Serial Digital Video Out |
| 16:30.00 | jelly | dekroning: does it fail to start, after that? |
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| 16:30.52 | dekroning | jelly: not sure, it's only reported to the terminal when i type "X" (and my screen goes black) did you see my Xorg.0.log output ? |
| 16:31.38 | bbd | masu3701: you mean samba share is missing write permissions? |
| 16:32.11 | masu3701 | bbd: yes...i wanna be able to write to the share from the client pc |
| 16:33.08 | bbd | masu3701: there are a lot of possibilities to configure it, you should take a look at samba documentation. Hint: simplest one is setting "security=share" in smb.conf and enabling write for all |
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| 16:34.57 | jelly | dekroning: I mean, does X work then, or does it die immediately? |
| 16:35.05 | masu3701 | bbd: i wanna keep the password at log in...i just want to make it so that the client pc can write to it....i will try to modify the config file |
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| 16:35.15 | dekroning | jelly: my screen stay's black... X keeps running i have to kill it with Ctrl+c |
| 16:35.17 | masu3701 | writable = yes |
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| 16:35.53 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:36.33 | bbd | masu3701: check unix permissions of shared directory |
| 16:36.34 | jelly | dekroning: that could be normal for all I know. What if you run "startx" instead? |
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| 16:37.02 | masu3701 | bbd: ok |
| 16:37.22 | dekroning | jelly: also the screen goes black (with the message saying: "no signal detected" from the monitor it self) |
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| 16:39.55 | dekroning | jefferai: fyi it works on any ubuntu distro default installation |
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| 16:44.27 | jelly | dekroning: that means it works with newer xorg (and it'd likely work with squeeze) |
| 16:45.04 | dekroning | jelly: i've tried with previous version of ubuntu as well |
| 16:45.18 | jelly | if it's a development/toy machine, you might as well use squeeze, as backporting video-intel is going to be a hassle |
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| 16:45.45 | simonrvn | thinks tried to do that and got one |
| 16:45.52 | simonrvn | thinks jelly* |
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| 16:46.34 | dekroning | jelly: too bad it isn't a toy machine actually |
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| 16:46.54 | dekroning | jelly: you think it's the Xorg driver that fails here or the kernel driver? |
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| 16:47.35 | jelly | dekroning: what kernel driver? |
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| 16:48.15 | dekroning | jelly: i915 (video card) |
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| 16:48.44 | jelly | dekroning: in lenny, that's only used to provide 3D acceleration |
| 16:49.27 | dekroning | jelly: ok, so it's the Xorg driver that is failing on me ? i'm wondering if it has anything todo with the Modelines or resolution of the monitor |
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| 16:50.37 | jelly | dekroning: it has to do with it incorrectly detecting properties of the output. Eg. are really both VGA and DVI/HDMI connected? |
| 16:51.20 | jelly | dekroning: that's what lines 454-460 of Xorg.0.log say |
| 16:51.57 | jelly | dekroning: I wouldn't bother with lenny xorg and fresh hardware, try using squeeze unless there're other factors stopping you. |
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| 16:54.07 | dekroning | jelly: well it's a pretty old piece of hardware actually (i think well over a year old, maybe even 2 years old) |
| 16:54.17 | jelly | too new! |
| 16:54.19 | jelly | :-D |
| 16:54.22 | dekroning | lol :) |
| 16:54.25 | jelly | !lenny |
| 16:54.26 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 16:54.45 | jelly | and it has versions or xorg from around 2008. |
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| 16:54.53 | jelly | of* xorg |
| 16:54.57 | dekroning | jelly: aha |
| 16:55.14 | dekroning | jelly: k let me install squeeze then brb :-) |
| 16:55.25 | jelly | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:55.32 | jelly | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 16:55.45 | jelly | dpkg: you suck |
| 16:55.46 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:55.49 | SparFux | rehi. How is dh_make supposed to work? When no debian subdir is there it creates one and then complains it cannot create debian/source. And when run again, it complains debian subdir is already there. ??? |
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| 16:55.58 | jelly | has to go |
| 16:56.01 | jelly | & |
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| 16:57.43 | themill | SparFux: which version of dh_make is this? |
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| 16:58.12 | SparFux | themill: version 0.53 |
| 16:58.25 | the-dude | thinks he did not check bts |
| 16:58.29 | themill | !btssmite SparFux |
| 16:58.29 | dpkg | beats SparFux around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if SparFux is running testing or unstable |
| 16:58.32 | themill | !dbugs 576523 |
| 16:58.36 | dpkg | #576523:I[dh-make] dh-make: dh_make fails with "Unable to make debian/source subdirectory: No such file or directory" (patch); Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:06:12 UTC [] |
| 16:59.48 | SparFux | themill: Wow, indeed it's a bug. Sorry for giving this noise here. :-( |
| 17:00.06 | themill | SparFux: there's a patch attached to that bug... apply it and be happy. |
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| 17:03.07 | eagle71 | hi |
| 17:04.35 | eagle71 | i cant save my hostname in Debian how i i can can u help me plz? |
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| 17:05.29 | themill | !hostname |
| 17:05.29 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 17:05.30 | SparFux | themill: I can apply the patch by hand even :-) |
| 17:05.40 | themill | SparFux: quite. It's a very simple one. |
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| 17:06.21 | eagle71 | thx :) |
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| 17:09.08 | SparFux | themill: I could have even found and solved that myself! |
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| 17:09.21 | themill | :) |
| 17:09.39 | olspookishmagus | I've found some conficting packages... what to do next? |
| 17:09.46 | olspookishmagus | conflicting* |
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| 17:09.55 | abrotman | olspookishmagus: are you running squeeze/sid ? |
| 17:09.59 | themill | olspookishmagus: what do you mean? |
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| 17:10.41 | olspookishmagus | abrotman: yeap - but it has nothing to do with it I presume (see next message) |
| 17:10.42 | olspookishmagus | themill: libnotify-bin and notify-osd DO conflict |
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| 17:11.44 | SparFux | themill: it was quite obvious, but I wasn't even thinking of a bug. Thought I did something wrong, as this is my first time in creating debian packs :-) |
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| 17:13.02 | olspookishmagus | abrotman, themill: have at you: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/notify-osd and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libnotify-bin |
| 17:13.28 | abrotman | olspookishmagus: when is the last time you did a full-upgrade ? |
| 17:13.59 | olspookishmagus | let me do one right now |
| 17:14.02 | themill | wonders what he's supposed to be looking at |
| 17:14.21 | olspookishmagus | themill: they seem to replace each other's version of notify-send |
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| 17:14.52 | themill | olspookishmagus: perhaps you should look at the file list for the packages you just posted |
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| 17:16.33 | olspookishmagus | themill: nice hint, no /usr/bin/notify-send file in notify-osd... so why it got changed then? |
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| 17:17.44 | pegasus-rider | Prompt please if GRUB2 shipped with Lenny is usable? |
| 17:18.03 | themill | olspookishmagus: probably to avoid this conflict... |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | pegasus-rider: works for me |
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| 17:18.30 | pegasus-rider | Not for me through :-( |
| 17:18.59 | pegasus-rider | 'Error 21' shows up, and I wasn't able to resolve it |
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| 17:19.38 | abrotman | do you know what error 21 means ? |
| 17:19.54 | abrotman | 21 : Selected disk does not exist |
| 17:19.54 | abrotman | This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. |
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| 17:20.36 | pegasus-rider | AFIR it means that a partition cannot be found. Yeah, but BIOS sees all the storage present |
| 17:21.07 | wols | pegasus-rider: without more info we cannot help you |
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| 17:22.57 | a_l_e | something strange happening here (debian testing): mysql is installed but there is no /etc/init.d/mysql... |
| 17:23.00 | a_l_e | or similar... |
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| 17:23.16 | nvz | a_l_e: did you check the BTS? |
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| 17:23.35 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: are you sure you didn't just install the client? |
| 17:23.37 | a_l_e | nvz: bts? |
| 17:23.45 | a_l_e | mmmh... |
| 17:23.46 | pegasus-rider | Well, I installed Debian Lenny on an x86_64 machine with multiple HDs and a separate boot partition (on a disk other than one on which Debian root partition resides). GRUB legacy wasn't there, so no conflict is expected. I left default configuration inact, it seems to be correct through. I re-installed grub successfully, but still can't run it. |
| 17:23.52 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: testing users should be very familar with the BTS |
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| 17:24.07 | nvz | a_l_e: the Bug Tracking System. |
| 17:24.42 | a_l_e | Titan8990: there are users who may not be familiar with the bts abreviation... |
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| 17:25.23 | nvz | a_l_e: what is the package(s) names you installed? |
| 17:25.38 | a_l_e | i'm familiar with google and it usually shows bugs reported agains debian testing. |
| 17:25.43 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: its the first hit if you google "debian bts" |
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| 17:26.58 | a_l_e | Titan8990: i mean, i google for the error, and if there is a bug reported it shows up quite high in the result list. |
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| 17:27.17 | a_l_e | checking if mysql server is installed... |
| 17:27.32 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: you should start using the BTS directly |
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| 17:27.46 | a_l_e | Titan8990: i have already used, don't worry. |
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| 17:28.11 | a_l_e | but i'm not only a debian user... and google is a handy interface to several systems. |
| 17:28.32 | Titan8990 | but google is also excellent at telling you the *wrong* way to do something |
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| 17:28.35 | a_l_e | the error was that mysqld was not installed on that machen... |
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| 17:28.55 | a_l_e | Titan8990: you also told me a wrong way to solve the problem... |
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| 17:29.16 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: I didn't tell you any way to solve the problem |
| 17:29.20 | a_l_e | no need to look at the bts... the server was not installed. nvz was right. |
| 17:29.41 | a_l_e | Titan8990: yes, you told me to look at the bts... which wouldn't have helped in finding out that the server is not installed. |
| 17:29.45 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: scroll up... nvz said BTS, I said client only |
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| 17:29.57 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: no, you have people mixed up, use your scrollback |
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| 17:30.19 | a_l_e | sorry Titan8990, it's the contrary, you're right. |
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| 17:30.47 | a_l_e | however, google didn't bring the answer, the bts would have not either and now i installd the server. |
| 17:30.55 | a_l_e | thank you for your help. |
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| 17:31.30 | CNBarnes | any LPR gurus out here? |
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| 17:31.52 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: the BTS was likely recommended under the assumption that a testing user could figure out he didn't install the package they wanted |
| 17:32.19 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: its happened before where the mysql package was just missing from testing |
| 17:33.39 | a_l_e | Titan8990: you're right... but it's about ten years that i use different sort of linux on several computers and it's probably the first time i've installed only the mysql client and not the server. |
| 17:34.07 | a_l_e | sometimes, a reality check in irc helps more than hours of lonely hacking on a system. |
| 17:34.12 | CNBarnes | If I issue the lpr command from a normal ssh terminal window, I get my printout just fine. |
| 17:34.39 | CNBarnes | but if I issue the lpr command from an xwindows terminal, I get a "LPR GUI" ... with the "ok" button grey'd out. |
| 17:34.42 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: hint: apt-file search /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 17:34.42 | nvz | CNBarnes: so... you rather it didn't work, or what? |
| 17:34.59 | Titan8990 | !tell a_l_e about apt-file |
| 17:35.08 | CNBarnes | (see 2nd half of my description) |
| 17:35.12 | pegasus-rider | BTW, GRUB2 configuration file name appears to be grub.cfg, and Debian still uses menu.lst. Is it correct? |
| 17:35.17 | a_l_e | Titan8990: it's ok... i don't need to know more about the working of debian. |
| 17:35.29 | a_l_e | i used aptitude and i'm -- somehow -- happy with it. |
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| 17:35.50 | CNBarnes | I want/need lpr to work in both cases... |
| 17:35.55 | Titan8990 | a_l_e: aptitude does not include apt-file functionality, unlike yum and "yum provides" |
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| 17:36.24 | a_l_e | i use the computer to get some work done, not to spend my time on the system... i have to spend some time, but i try to minimize it. |
| 17:36.43 | a_l_e | you will be welcome to ask question when you happen to have problems in the fields i am proficient... |
| 17:37.05 | a_l_e | (hint: i do support for another free software project several hours a day... just for fun) |
| 17:37.14 | themill | CNBarnes: knowing specifically which version of lpr you are using would help. "dpkg -S /usr/bin/lpr" should tell us |
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| 17:37.45 | cantoma | hey friend, I have a ./configure that is stock somewhere trying to do something. He displays that is checking this and is waiting for ever. Using top I can see gcc being executed all the time and each second the PID changes. Is there a way of asking ./configure to tell exactly what he is doing? |
| 17:38.04 | gyyrog | I have a process that is orphaned because my terminal session got disconnected. How do I kill the process? |
| 17:38.18 | gyyrog | ps does not list it |
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| 17:38.25 | gyyrog | but w does |
| 17:38.25 | jelly-home | gyyrog: then it's dead |
| 17:38.28 | Titan8990 | cantoma: strace will tell you what something is doing regardless of the executable type |
| 17:38.37 | themill | cantoma: there's normally a config.log that should help |
| 17:38.39 | gyyrog | w does not list the process ID though |
| 17:38.47 | themill | gyyrog: ps ax |
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| 17:38.52 | gyyrog | so I can't kill -9 it like I usually do |
| 17:38.54 | gyyrog | okay |
| 17:38.54 | jelly-home | gyyrog: does ps -fu yourusername list it? |
| 17:38.58 | cantoma | themill, yes but the config.log it stops on that too |
| 17:39.21 | cantoma | Titan8990, how can i use strace? |
| 17:39.36 | Titan8990 | cantoma: strace ./configure |
| 17:40.09 | Titan8990 | cantoma: you will probably want to redirect stderr, because there will be a lot of info |
| 17:40.14 | gyyrog | that worked, thanks |
| 17:40.41 | CNBarnes | hmmm... that command just gave me |
| 17:40.44 | cantoma | Titan8990, holy ch**t this is chinise loool |
| 17:40.47 | CNBarnes | lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 17:41.54 | CNBarnes | Hmmm... /usr/bin/lpt is pointing to /opt/DELL/mfp/bin/slpr |
| 17:42.25 | Titan8990 | sounds like you installed some 3rd party software |
| 17:42.40 | nvz | CNBarnes: seems like sommeone installed a 3rd party lpr program |
| 17:42.40 | CNBarnes | ug... yeah.... now at least I have something to look at |
| 17:42.46 | cantoma | Titan8990, my cursor is stuck in line 86 http://pastebin.com/GEHBenQR |
| 17:42.53 | themill | CNBarnes: good old lpr program. Haven't used it in years. running "DISPLAY= lpr" might get rid of the dialogue box though |
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| 17:44.51 | cantoma | Titan8990, the last message i see its on the top of that file "checking for the linkage of the supplied MPI C definitions" |
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| 17:49.14 | Titan8990 | cantoma: no idea, what are you trying to compile? |
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| 17:55.19 | cantoma | Titan8990, its MPE library .. in a HP-MPI machine |
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| 17:57.37 | lcarvalho | Is in this channel where I can ask about creating .deb packages? |
| 17:57.58 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 17:57.58 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:58.21 | jelly-home | lcarvalho: ask away, if noone here knows, try over there ^^ |
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| 17:58.38 | elb0w | how do I check the version of a lib i installed with apt-get? |
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| 18:00.22 | nvz | elb0w: you don't. You'd use dpkg -l |
| 18:01.05 | elb0w | how can I see if its 64bit or 32bit?> |
| 18:01.08 | elb0w | would it say there |
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| 18:01.59 | lcarvalho | when you create a .rpm package you can use findprovides binary. which generate the required and provided list of packages which your package depends to be install. in other words, it solves all the shared libraries which your package depends. So I would like to know if when you create a .deb package you have something familiar to autogenerate all the package dependency. With that apt-get will resolv all the dependencies before installing your package. |
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| 18:04.52 | Titan8990 | lcarvalho: sounds like you haven't read the NMG yet... |
| 18:05.06 | Titan8990 | lcarvalho: dh_shlibdeps |
| 18:05.37 | lcarvalho | NMG ? |
| 18:05.44 | Titan8990 | !nmg |
| 18:05.44 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 18:06.54 | _Trullo | If I install a bunch of drives using LVM, is it possible to just take out a disk and access it on some other computer? |
| 18:08.54 | nvz | _Trullo: provided you have all physical disks that are part of the LVM, yes.. |
| 18:08.55 | jhutchins | _Trullo: Try it. |
| 18:09.22 | nvz | _Trullo: and also that the OS on the other machine supports the version of LVM you used, and the filesystems |
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| 18:10.57 | _Trullo | I need all disks, I can't just remove one and access the data on it? |
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| 18:11.37 | lcarvalho | Titan8990: do you know where can I find on such manual about dh_shlibdeps? |
| 18:12.09 | nvz | _Trullo: hah.. doesn't quite work like that. the logical volume is made up of several physical volumes |
| 18:12.45 | eagle71 | what is programe perfect for squid? |
| 18:12.55 | _Trullo | nvz, yep |
| 18:13.09 | _Trullo | so if one drive dies what happens then? |
| 18:13.11 | Titan8990 | lcarvalho: man dh_shlibdeps |
| 18:13.34 | nvz | _Trullo: you're kinda screwed.. this is why people often combine raid and lvm |
| 18:13.52 | nvz | _Trullo: data recovery is a LOT harder when LVM is involved |
| 18:14.03 | Titan8990 | lcarvalho: details on how it works with the debian/control file is in the nmg |
| 18:14.32 | lcarvalho | Titan8990: yes. it is what I want. i will keep looking in there. |
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| 18:22.41 | vasundhar | can we remove .udev to get it recreated ? |
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| 18:42.04 | lcarvalho | Titan8990: hello, is there any way of patching the shlibs? like this https://svn.erp5.org/repos/public/erp5/trunk/utils/rpmgen/templates/erp5-official-buildout-mandriva2010.spec.in |
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| 18:43.45 | dekroning | i don't seem to have a /dev/fb0 device, how can i get this device? my video card driver is loaded (i915) but can't find a specific fb driver for it on my system |
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| 18:47.48 | usamahashimi | hi |
| 18:47.49 | mns | Is there a reason why there is no Apache Geronimo package in Debian ? We have a bunch of libraries in there but not the server itself ? |
| 18:48.03 | usamahashimi | Is debian a rolling disto? |
| 18:48.19 | d1b | usamahashimi: no |
| 18:48.19 | dondelelcaro | mns: presumably because it hasn't been packaged yet |
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| 18:48.24 | d1b | !testing |
| 18:48.24 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 18:48.31 | d1b | is close tho |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | usamahashimi: it can be, but it's not recommended for people new to linux/debian |
| 18:49.54 | usamahashimi | abrotman: i am not new to linux, i used redhat and ubuntu a lot but never tried debian |
| 18:50.05 | abrotman | okay, so why would you want a rolling distro ? |
| 18:50.07 | d1b | usamahashimi: ubuntu is probably more for you. |
| 18:50.07 | usamahashimi | abrotman: how debian can be a rolling distro? |
| 18:50.24 | d1b | usamahashimi: if you are using sid / testing. |
| 18:50.31 | dondelelcaro | usamahashimi: the testing and unstable suites are constantly changing |
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| 18:51.06 | usamahashimi | so if I download and burn the testing iso, it will be a rolling distro? |
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| 18:51.48 | dondelelcaro | usamahashimi: depending on your definition of "rolling distro" it can be, yes. |
| 18:52.23 | K-Vrat | hi, guys! what can you say about openvz kernel and squeeze ? |
| 18:52.24 | usamahashimi | dondelelcaro: what i understand of rolling is that it continues adds new packages to its repos |
| 18:52.33 | dkr | well if you burn the iso to a cd then you can definitely roll it |
| 18:53.27 | mns | lol dkr |
| 18:54.10 | d1b | usamahashimi: why do you want a rolling distro? |
| 18:54.19 | d1b | K-Vrat: use lxc probably or xen |
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| 18:54.50 | usamahashimi | d1b: i never tried a rolling distro and also never tried debian, so i wanna give it a try |
| 18:55.12 | usamahashimi | d1b: sick of reinstalling of every new release |
| 18:55.23 | d1b | usamahashimi: if you are on ubuntu you just upgrade |
| 18:55.29 | K-Vrat | d1b Hmm but i need openvz |
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| 18:55.41 | d1b | K-Vrat: it may work, try it! (can't see why not) |
| 18:55.56 | d1b | usamahashimi: sudo update-maanger -d |
| 18:56.21 | K-Vrat | in squeeze rep i cannot find linux-image-openvz |
| 18:56.24 | usamahashimi | d1b: no, it sucks, leave a lot of crap in the system |
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| 18:56.53 | usamahashimi | sorry i have to go, c u later and thanx a lot :D |
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| 18:57.03 | K-Vrat | i try kernel from lenny.. but have a crash |
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| 18:59.45 | d1b | so then i guess it doesn't work ;P |
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| 19:02.45 | flami | Hi, I was wondering if I should rather use EXT4 or ext3 in lenny. |
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| 19:03.41 | nkuttler | does the lenny installer do ext4? |
| 19:03.50 | d1b | no |
| 19:03.58 | nkuttler | yeah, thought so |
| 19:04.03 | nkuttler | flami: so, ext3 obviously |
| 19:04.17 | d1b | you can convert from ext3 to ext4. but /boot can't be ext3 if you use normal grub (without patches) |
| 19:04.33 | flami | wuueeeellll I have a lvm thats not quite setup yet :P Now Im trying to decide mkfs.ext3 /dev/vg0/biiiigg or mefs.ext4 ... ^^ |
| 19:04.43 | flami | allright |
| 19:04.52 | flami | yes /boot is ext2 |
| 19:04.57 | flami | just to be safe ;) |
| 19:04.57 | d1b | flami: what kernel are you running? |
| 19:05.03 | flami | 2.6.26 I think |
| 19:05.05 | flami | sec |
| 19:05.13 | d1b | with ext4 you want > 2.6.31 |
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| 19:05.52 | flami | Ahh I thought so , i couldn rememebr when ext4 became uhm ripe |
| 19:05.54 | flami | thanks |
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| 19:06.52 | flami | Im so excited, a year or 2 and and I can use butter fs. Uhhmm butter |
| 19:07.07 | d1b | yes brtfs! |
| 19:07.21 | d1b | btrfs* |
| 19:07.24 | flami | no longer messing with lvm to create snapshots.... |
| 19:07.28 | flami | Ill miss it ;) |
| 19:07.43 | d1b | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ |
| 19:07.53 | flami | its v 1.0 now isnt it? |
| 19:08.03 | d1b | not stable |
| 19:08.06 | d1b | but neat |
| 19:08.14 | flami | yes thats what I say a year or 2 |
| 19:08.24 | flami | Im an early adopter ;) |
| 19:08.51 | d1b | ok. i just break things |
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| 19:09.38 | flami | yes even though I really love unstable ... lately I just got lazy and moved to another distro on my pc . I should cover my head in shame for that... |
| 19:09.46 | setuid | Where can I find release isos for potato, hamm, slink, etc.? |
| 19:10.06 | flami | after all sloth is a sin. |
| 19:10.08 | d1b | !archive |
| 19:10.09 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 19:10.26 | flami | even though those releases had awesome names, why would you want to install potatoe? |
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| 19:10.43 | d1b | flami: target practice! |
| 19:10.49 | pallgone | does debian provide management for daemons? for example I don't want mpd to be started at boot, how to do that? |
| 19:11.08 | d1b | apt-get install sysv-rc-conf ---> easy way |
| 19:11.12 | flami | update-rc.d mpd -f remove |
| 19:11.17 | d1b | or that ^^ |
| 19:11.24 | flami | or that sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:11.38 | setuid | d1b, So the x.y_r(latest) is always the official release version? |
| 19:11.44 | flami | seriously you should go with that package. |
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| 19:11.49 | silas | Have anybody successed at rebuilding Debian CD initrd.gz? I tried to modfy its content (in order to put a configuration file for preseed.cfg) extracting and repacking it with cpio, without sucess. Debian wiki doesn't seem to be that helpful about modifying initrd.gz. Ideas? |
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| 19:12.00 | d1b | setuid: not sure what you are asking. |
| 19:12.02 | pallgone | flami: with sysv-rc-conf? |
| 19:12.09 | setuid | silas, update-initramfs? |
| 19:12.18 | flami | pallgone: yes , its muuuccchh easier |
| 19:12.31 | pallgone | flami: k, I'll check it out... |
| 19:12.48 | setuid | d1b, I want to have .iso images of all of the "official" (latest, stable, pressed to the public) Debian releases for things like etch, sarge, woody, potato, slink, hamm. |
| 19:13.07 | flami | setuid: uhmmm basically I think theres not many debian releases that had a x.y verions, sarge was 3.1, but these days its 4 (etch) , 5 ( lenny) |
| 19:13.24 | flami | oh yes the very 1st one was 1.1 ^^ |
| 19:13.58 | setuid | flami, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 19:14.09 | setuid | Looking there, for example... what is the official Etch release? |
| 19:14.17 | setuid | Or the official Sarge release |
| 19:14.21 | flami | etch is all that has 4.0 |
| 19:14.25 | flami | sarge is 3.1 |
| 19:14.41 | flami | these r1 things are point realeases , some security updates |
| 19:14.45 | flami | minor chnages |
| 19:14.47 | setuid | Sure, but which one was the real release? Not RC, not pre-release, the actual release. |
| 19:14.58 | silas | setuid: update-initramfs updates a ramdisk in /boot of a installed system. Could I just copy a initramdisk that I created there and put on Debian CD?... hmm... let me try. |
| 19:15.00 | d1b | does it really only go back that far? |
| 19:15.09 | flami | there are no pre-realases |
| 19:15.15 | d1b | !release |
| 19:15.16 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <etch->lenny> to upgrade from Etch. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 19:15.18 | Titan8990 | setuid: those are all actual release |
| 19:15.20 | setuid | So every official release is an r0? |
| 19:15.22 | flami | as soon as it has a number its a release , before that its testing |
| 19:15.49 | flami | setuid: id go with the highest rX , since it has a few more security fixes |
| 19:16.02 | setuid | Ok., that's all I was looking for... |
| 19:16.08 | setuid | Looks like I'll have to hunt for the older ones |
| 19:16.19 | flami | but why? :P |
| 19:16.49 | setuid | They're not listed there |
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| 19:17.33 | SerajewelKS | why would you want an older release |
| 19:17.33 | flami | I dont think the 2.0 series of the kernel runs very well on todays hardware. |
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| 19:17.46 | flami | I dont even think itll run on 10 year old hardware ^^ |
| 19:17.58 | SerajewelKS | uhm, 2.0 is ancient |
| 19:18.01 | flami | youd have to find that old 486 or so :P |
| 19:18.21 | dkr | with a turbo button |
| 19:18.26 | flami | i think debian 1.1 could actually run on that . |
| 19:18.32 | flami | yes tuurrrbbooooooo |
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| 19:19.00 | setuid | Yeah, 486DX2 baby :) |
| 19:19.04 | Titan8990 | dkr: we bought a modern machine at my work that actually included a turbo button... wish I could remember the manufacturer |
| 19:19.17 | flami | damn sweet |
| 19:19.20 | Titan8990 | recently I mean |
| 19:19.22 | setuid | I remember having to shove idebus=66 back in those days to get it to work right |
| 19:19.33 | setuid | turbo == ondemand scheduler ;) |
| 19:20.05 | flami | wasnt the turbo button for legacy apps taht somehow were bound to the cpus clock , so they wouldnt freak out on thise crazzzyyyyyy high speed CPUs? |
| 19:20.18 | vsmatck | yes |
| 19:20.48 | abrotman | uhm .. i have a 486 that runs lenny |
| 19:20.50 | flami | fudge my error/word ratio is out the roof |
| 19:21.20 | flami | BUT you dont have a uhmm phenom 2 that runs buzz |
| 19:21.22 | flami | HAAAA |
| 19:21.38 | d1b | dislikes amd bioses |
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| 19:21.50 | flami | amd doesnt write bioses |
| 19:22.06 | flami | AMI does. or phoenix. |
| 19:22.09 | d1b | i know that |
| 19:22.11 | d1b | but |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | flami: you could try .. though i'd try hamm myself |
| 19:22.25 | flami | humm hammm |
| 19:22.46 | d1b | the quality of bios found on amd motherboards (supporting) is generally lower than intel ... |
| 19:22.54 | d1b | when i say intel i mean 'intel' |
| 19:22.56 | flami | when will theres be a egg , bacon , onion release ? would be great with hamm and potatoe |
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| 19:23.33 | d1b | flami: toy story names |
| 19:23.36 | flami | I know |
| 19:23.38 | flami | :P |
| 19:24.06 | flami | when toy story is discontinued, and every single name has been taken, rememebr my suggestion |
| 19:24.23 | d1b | toy story 3 is out ! |
| 19:24.52 | flami | wait uhmm I think I saw toy story 2, but uhmm 15 years ago? |
| 19:24.56 | flami | theres a 3? |
| 19:24.58 | d1b | debian would have to release fast to run out of names ;P |
| 19:25.12 | flami | OR live long ;) |
| 19:25.17 | d1b | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story_3 |
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| 19:25.48 | flami | I wonder what that popular debian based distro does when they reached ziggy zebra . |
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| 19:26.44 | flami | I was wrong toy story 2 only happened 11 years ago . |
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| 19:27.07 | d1b | flami: restart ? |
| 19:27.09 | d1b | re naming |
| 19:27.12 | flami | now we can take our kids and say, look I saw toy story 1 when i was your age ^^ |
| 19:27.26 | zleap | lol |
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| 19:27.42 | flami | again algea ? |
| 19:27.56 | zleap | i wonder how many debian geeks will arrange a meet to go watch toy story 3 |
| 19:28.03 | monra | Hello. I need to forward mails that come to my email address to another mail address which corresponds to my mobile phone mail address. When I add my phone address at the ".forward" file I don't got any mail, with other addresses at ".forward" file It works fine. When I send/compose an email to my phone address it's being sent. Any ideas how to fix this? By the way when i use the "mail" command and send an email to my phone it's also being sent. IS there a way |
| 19:28.44 | abrotman | !ot |
| 19:28.44 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 19:28.57 | abrotman | monra: did you chekc the mail logs ? |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | monra: and is your .forward set to 644 ? |
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| 19:29.21 | chris9001 | hi, i'm using the debian live tools, lh_build etc., to build a netboot image, which works fine, but lh_build doesn't seem to execute any scripts in 'config/chroot_local-hooks' |
| 19:29.25 | chris9001 | any ideas? |
| 19:29.27 | flami | hehe ^^ sorry , we are kinda off track . but still its kinda debian related ... I should really go back and be productive |
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| 19:31.19 | monra | abrotman: Well I had .forward set to 600 but It was working for other mail addresses. Using pine I see in the Sent mail folder that the mail was sent to my phone address :S |
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| 19:31.55 | shanepar1ue | Why would my desktop not have the option to suspend? It has hibernate, but not suspend. Running squeeze |
| 19:32.18 | abrotman | monra: mail logs ? |
| 19:32.23 | abrotman | shanepar1ue: crappy bios ? |
| 19:32.27 | kelsin | is there a way to tell apt that a virtual package is provided (by a source install etc) |
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| 19:32.38 | abrotman | !tell kelsin about equivs |
| 19:32.39 | monra | abrotman: What do you mean? Seems I didn't understand :S |
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| 19:32.53 | kelsin | abrotman: I'll google, thanks :) |
| 19:33.01 | SerajewelKS | shanepar1ue: hibernate requires no special bios support, suspend does |
| 19:33.23 | abrotman | kelsin: see what the bot told you |
| 19:33.29 | abrotman | monra: /var/log/mail.log |
| 19:34.00 | kelsin | abrotman: ty |
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| 19:38.25 | monra | abrotman: here is what i got: http://pastebin.com/1RgdZWEN |
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| 19:38.49 | abrotman | monra: i meant to look at the mail log to see if it shows your email being sent to your phone |
| 19:38.57 | valdyn | shanepar1ue: try running "pm-suspend" as root |
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| 19:39.08 | monra | abrotman: Well It's not there but It's in the sent mail in the pine menu :S |
| 19:39.26 | abrotman | that's in your sent folder in pine |
| 19:39.32 | monra | yes |
| 19:39.42 | monra | But seems in the /var/mail/ it's not |
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| 19:41.14 | shanepar1ue | valdyn: Thanks. I'll try that when I get home. |
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| 19:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | Shouldn't I have a ca.pem file in /etc/ssl/certs? |
| 19:42.11 | monra | abrotman: Do you have any idea why is this happenning or where to search to solve this problem? Thank you for your time |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | monra: /var/log/mail.log .. look in the log to see what it says when it's supposed to be sending an email |
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| 19:44.56 | monra | abrotman: There doesn't exists such a file ... I'm on a system for many users. Each user has a file like this /var/log/username but there doesn't exist a file /var/log/mail.log :( |
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| 19:49.10 | abrotman | monra: can you send an email to your phone like "echo 'foo' | mail phone@bleh.com" ? |
| 19:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, I wonder why there's no mention made of ca-certificates when installing openssl. |
| 19:50.16 | monra | abrotman: yes it works fine this way. |
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| 19:51.01 | abrotman | but the .forward fails ?> |
| 19:51.23 | monra | abrotman: exactly |
| 19:51.55 | monra | .forward fails on my phone email address but works fine with other email addresses like my gmail or hotmail address |
| 19:54.45 | dondelelcaro | monra: well, if the mail is actually going out to your phone provider's mail servers, there's not much that can be done besides contacting their technical support |
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| 19:55.59 | monra | dondelelcaro: I was thinking for example ... maybe extract each new mail it comes and use the mail command to send it to my phone ... or something similar? |
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| 19:56.32 | dondelelcaro | monra: uh... that's basically what the .forward does |
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| 19:57.06 | dondelelcaro | monra: if it's not working, look at the mail log, or have someone who has access to the mail log look at it |
| 19:57.19 | dondelelcaro | (and if worst comes to worst, you can always have procmail to exactly that with logging) |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | says it doesn't exist |
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| 19:57.46 | dondelelcaro | well, it does; it may not be in /var/log/mail.log; could be /var/log/mail/mail.log or /var/log/exim4/mainlog or any one of a number of places |
| 19:58.03 | dondelelcaro | (they may even be doing central logging, with no log files on that machine) |
| 19:58.06 | epifanio | hi All, i'm tring to install debian on my laptop (mac book pro 15'' 2.2) |
| 19:58.08 | Titan8990 | sendmail servers I manage are /var/log/maillog |
| 19:58.22 | epifanio | but the netinstall cd fails to configure the network :-( |
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| 19:58.40 | monra | abrotman and dondelelcaro Thank you very much for your help :) |
| 19:58.50 | Titan8990 | epifanio: that should not prevent you from continueing installation |
| 19:59.30 | epifanio | it is a netinstall, can i install only the base system ? |
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| 20:02.08 | epifanio | ? |
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| 20:03.53 | GheRivero | epifanio: it depends what you mean about the base system |
| 20:03.56 | themill | epifanio: yes, you can complete the base install without the network being available. Just don't select anything at the "tasksel" stage |
| 20:04.27 | Titan8990 | epifanio: stop asking on multiple channels at the same time |
| 20:05.11 | superlinux | hi. there is a software that usually gives statistics on the screen and it has transparent background. I just want its name please. |
| 20:05.30 | epifanio | Titan8990: i only googled about the irc channel that offers support, can i continue here ? |
| 20:05.31 | Titan8990 | superlinux: "gives statistics" is very vague |
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| 20:05.51 | Titan8990 | epifanio: yes |
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| 20:06.18 | Titan8990 | superlinux: although, I am going to guess "conky"? |
| 20:06.25 | superlinux | yes |
| 20:06.29 | superlinux | it's conky |
| 20:06.33 | superlinux | thanks |
| 20:06.48 | HackeMate | hello, i just bought a card reader, it is used in my country for the national identify, my question is if i need install something to use, or is plug and play? |
| 20:07.02 | HackeMate | i didnt find any test where i can try |
| 20:07.25 | epifanio | ok , i choosed to don't configure the network |
| 20:07.31 | superlinux | Titan8990, this is the X-tv channel.. you've just won an egg-boiler! hehe! |
| 20:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | What would be the reason for NOT having ca-certificates installed if you have openssl? |
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| 20:08.40 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: you only want to trust certs you specifically configure the system to trust, instead of all included in the package? |
| 20:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: THere's a card reader down the street who'll tell your fortune for $10. A little more detail on the hardware would probably be appropriate. |
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| 20:09.47 | HackeMate | if it were a joke, was so funny, really |
| 20:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Shouldn't it prompt you somehow to create your own ca.pem then? Shouldn't packages that link to the ssl ca.pem mention the fact that it's not there when they install? |
| 20:09.56 | HackeMate | i found a tuto via google, thanks anyway |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Ok, that's probably a better solution than we could give you anyway. |
| 20:10.43 | Tramp | jhutchins_lt: ca-certificates is suggested by openssl. So if you ignore suggests, it won't be installed |
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| 20:11.37 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I don't have a good enough understanding of how it works to speculate any more than I already have |
| 20:12.21 | jhutchins_lt | Tramp: Ok, it was suggested, and probably installed, and I sure wish I remembered why I purged it, but I guess I'll figure it out when it breaks something. |
| 20:12.35 | epifanio | base system installed .. tring to reboot |
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| 20:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | epifanio: good luck. |
| 20:14.13 | epifanio | no bootable devcice found :'( |
| 20:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't remember having any trouble with Apple network hardware, then again that wasn't Debian. |
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| 20:17.12 | epifanio | i updated the partition tool, now it boot |
| 20:17.34 | epifanio | i'm logged in the minimal system |
| 20:17.54 | epifanio | any clue on how to try to set-up the network ? |
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| 20:20.23 | epifanio | :-( |
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| 20:21.38 | k2s | hello, is there a way to forward console output when booting to LAN ? I am running Lenny on armel |
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| 20:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell epifanio about networking |
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| 20:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | That reminds me... |
| 20:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | On boot, Debian tries to get DHCP for my Wireless, even though it does't get associated until knetworkmanager loads, so of course it fails. |
| 20:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | How do I get it to stop that? |
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| 20:24.01 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: remove configurations from /etc/network/interfaces so that nm handles everything? |
| 20:24.23 | jhutchins_lt | So I just want the "auto wlan0" line in there? |
| 20:24.32 | epifanio | auto eth0 give me command not found |
| 20:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | epifanio: Read more carefully, that is a configuration line for /etc/network/interfaces, not a command. |
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| 20:25.41 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, if its there. Is there no dhcp line in there? |
| 20:25.43 | epifanio | sorry :-/ |
| 20:26.21 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: That must be it, there's "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" too. |
| 20:26.46 | jhutchins_lt | We'll see what that does next boot. |
| 20:26.48 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, you can probably leave auto wlan0 and just delete that line |
| 20:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | epifanio: No problem, as you can see we all have to stumble through it. |
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| 20:28.25 | cire | What is your preferred image format for saving scans (colour, no quality loss) |
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| 20:29.16 | dondelelcaro | cire: depends what, but tiff, png, or jpeg, depending is pretty reasonable |
| 20:29.34 | epifanio | now i have : http://paste.debian.net/69784/ inside : /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:29.55 | epifanio | what's the next step ? on the web page tell me is all i need |
| 20:30.00 | cire | dondelelcaro: I want to save them in an efficient way without losing any quality. (quality preserving compression) |
| 20:30.10 | dondelelcaro | cire: what are they images of? |
| 20:30.27 | dondelelcaro | cire: tiff and png are lossless, jpeg can be relatively so. |
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| 20:30.51 | cire | dondelelcaro: okay, thank you. I will use tiff for now. |
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| 20:31.32 | dondelelcaro | cire: the main reason to use png instead of tiff is if you can get away with a smaller color space, or need alpha support, or want more compression |
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| 20:31.51 | dondelelcaro | but otherwise tiff works just fine |
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| 20:34.11 | epifanio | tried to reboot, i t give problemns at the step DHCPDISCOVER, ping 192.168.1.1 give _ Network unreachable |
| 20:34.54 | Titan8990 | epifanio: so: dhclient eth0; times out? |
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| 20:37.23 | epifanio | yes |
| 20:37.42 | epifanio | i tried ifup / ifdown eth0 too |
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| 20:39.04 | epifanio | No DHCPOFFERS received |
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| 20:39.26 | epifanio | No Working leases in persistent database - sleeping |
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| 20:41.39 | epifanio | is there an other cd can i try ? maybe an unstable version ? |
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| 20:44.22 | shylent | er, is the dhcp server on your network working at all? |
| 20:44.41 | epifanio | how to check ? |
| 20:44.47 | shylent | because you are not receiving offers, that means either noone sends them or you don't receive them for one reason or another |
| 20:44.59 | shylent | 'trying another cd' won't help at all |
| 20:45.05 | shylent | well, what is the network you are on? |
| 20:45.13 | shylent | is it your network? |
| 20:45.19 | shylent | or managed by someone else? |
| 20:45.27 | epifanio | yes i' connected a cable to my router |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | !tell epifanio about kmuto |
| 20:46.13 | shylent | is the dhcp server running on your router? |
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| 20:46.22 | shylent | on the lan-facing interface anyway |
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| 20:47.15 | epifanio | yes it should works |
| 20:47.33 | shylent | how do you know? :/ |
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| 20:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | anyone care to speculate on the chances of successfully installing freeradius 1.x (etch) on lenny? |
| 20:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | Setting up 2.0 is starting to feel like using norad to catch a baseball. |
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| 20:51.56 | abrotman | !pal jhutchins_lt |
| 20:51.57 | dpkg | points at jhutchins_lt and laughs uproariously |
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| 20:56.41 | j00lalia | Any problems with automatic updates? I keep getting an error saying "The update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems", but my network is fine. Manually updating removes the error for < 10 minutes at a time |
| 20:57.28 | wedge | Is there a good way to delete directories (apart from rm -rf dirname)? Having an issue with many files in one folder, even tried the xargs and find methods but taking a long time. |
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| 21:01.41 | jeff_hann | j00lalia, using gnome? |
| 21:01.45 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: find has a direct delete command. |
| 21:01.48 | j00lalia | jeff_hann, yes |
| 21:02.16 | jeff_hann | j00lalia, you can set the update manager to look for updates more often |
| 21:02.29 | jeff_hann | or preferably do it by hand :-) |
| 21:02.57 | lcarvalho | I am trying to create a good deb package, i would like to know if is there any public debian/ folder with all the files? |
| 21:03.09 | lcarvalho | then I can check as example |
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| 21:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | It'd be nice if there were a utility to parse a 1.x configuration into a working set of 2.x files. |
| 21:04.07 | epifanio | thanks to point me to the router ! |
| 21:04.09 | epifanio | reboot the router ... now it works :-/ |
| 21:04.20 | epifanio | i'll try to reinstall from scracht |
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| 21:16.37 | wedge | jhutchins_lt: Im sure that'll still take long time aswell, need a way to unlink all inodes directly under that directory. |
| 21:17.14 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: why not rm? |
| 21:17.27 | wedge | jhutchins_lt: 15 MILLION files, 15 million inodes need unlinking |
| 21:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | Will aptitude take a filename instead of a packagename? |
| 21:17.37 | wedge | it'll take a long time with the IOps of this raid |
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| 21:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: ANYTHING is going to take a long time. |
| 21:19.53 | dekroning | anyone that could please help me out with some HAL Xorg configuration please, i'm not able to get my config loaded by Xorg, i think i'm doing something wrong with my <match> tags |
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| 21:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | How do I install a .dev file and still get dependency resolution? |
| 21:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | Grr. .deB file. |
| 21:23.05 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt: where did you get that .deb? |
| 21:23.28 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: From an official repo. |
| 21:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: From etch. |
| 21:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | I'm trying to roll freeradius back from 2.x to 1.x, for which I have a working configuration. |
| 21:24.14 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt: then add that repo to your sources list |
| 21:24.34 | nkuttler | uh oh ah mixing distros.. |
| 21:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: It shouldn't need any other files from etch, should work fine with lenny deps. |
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| 21:30.50 | mac_linux | hello everyone, i'm trying to get linux on my powerbook g4 1.33 GHz machine. I've tried multiple distributions: ubuntu and yellow dog. Would Debian install cleanly on my powerbook? |
| 21:31.27 | mac_linux | The problem I've had with both distributions is cpu usage goes to 100% then shuts down. |
| 21:32.09 | polycarp | mac_linux http://tinyurl.com/y6lkqun |
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| 21:36.47 | vinvin | hello, i've been looking for help on setting up SHA-2 passwords on debian, but i don't find anything and usual config file is missing, does that mean it that debian will use crypt forever? |
| 21:37.19 | mac_linux | thanks polycarp .. the sights i've found on google are pretty old...even older than my powerbook which is a 2004. I was hoping to hear if anyone here successfully runs linux in a powerbook like mine. |
| 21:38.26 | polycarp | mac_linux Then say that when you come in asking... save everyone in the room the hassle of googling and trying to help you with old info. |
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| 21:39.03 | mac_linux | uh, that is my point polycarp. I have done much googling on this. |
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| 21:39.24 | drasko | how to install libc 2.8 on Debian Lenny? |
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| 21:40.26 | drasko | Hi all. I can see on my system: libc.so.6 -> libc-2.7.so. How to install libc-2.8.so? |
| 21:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinvin, actually all the passwords in my shadow are what looks like md5-based ... I thought that's the default now, too |
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| 21:41.49 | vinvin | oh yes sorry CutMeOwnThroat you're right |
| 21:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah yes, $1... that's md5-based |
| 21:42.04 | vinvin | all i meant was, is there a way to go sha-*? |
| 21:42.25 | drasko | Hi all. I can see on my system: libc.so.6 -> libc-2.7.so. How to install libc-2.8.so? |
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| 21:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea, I never saw anything wrong with the md5-based ones |
| 21:44.56 | jeff_hann | drasko, do you have a reason for wanting it? |
| 21:45.19 | vinvin | ok |
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| 21:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinvin, man 3 crypt |
| 21:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | as far as I know, if you make passwd to create it sha, things will be autodetected by the code-number 5 or 6 |
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| 21:47.21 | drasko | jeff_hann, one cross-compiler is demanding it. I'd like to use this cross-compiler for my project. |
| 21:47.26 | vinvin | yes CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:47.42 | jeff_hann | drasko, testing? |
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| 21:48.14 | drasko | jeff_hann, I have precompiled cross-compiler for open-risc. |
| 21:48.19 | vinvin | CutMeOwnThroat: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SHA_Passwords the default file for passwd does not exist in debian, and i wanted to know if it was supported in debian before trying to change pam |
| 21:48.19 | nlko | can someone help with apache debian a2ensite, my virtual host is pointing to webroot, although i done this for another host 5mins ago with same steps and it works.. |
| 21:48.38 | drasko | jeff_hann, maybe easier approach would be to boot new Ubuntu in qemu... |
| 21:48.44 | jeff_hann | drasko, no, Debian testing, unstable or what flavour are you using? |
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| 21:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "default file" |
| 21:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 21:49.06 | drasko | jeff_hann, nope, stable |
| 21:49.08 | drasko | lenny |
| 21:49.10 | Tramp | vinvin: the file is "common-password" |
| 21:49.23 | jeff_hann | drasko, try Debian backports |
| 21:49.40 | vinvin | Tramp: yes for PAM, but there also should be the /etc/default/passwd to tell passwd to generate passwords in sha2 |
| 21:50.01 | drasko | jeff_hann, thanks. For the moment I am trying to re-compile cross-compiler |
| 21:50.09 | Tramp | vinvin: well - right. For me it's there and reads "@include common-password" |
| 21:50.16 | jeff_hann | testing and sid have 2.10 |
| 21:50.21 | drasko | If it fails (as it probably will), I'll go for the backports |
| 21:50.55 | jeff_hann | a google like debian backports glibs will point you in the right direction |
| 21:51.03 | vinvin | Tramp: i thing you're talking about /etc/pam.d/passwd |
| 21:51.03 | jeff_hann | *glibc |
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| 21:51.35 | Tramp | vinvin: yes |
| 21:51.39 | lcarvalho | Is there any debian packager which could give me some instructions instead of say to read NGM? |
| 21:52.12 | Tramp | vinvin: ah - no, there is no /etc/default/passwd |
| 21:52.24 | Tramp | vinvin: why should there? It's configured in the file I just told you |
| 21:52.24 | vinvin | :) |
| 21:52.49 | Tramp | [23:49:10] <Tramp> vinvin: the file is "common-password" |
| 21:53.03 | vinvin | Tramp: that's what i told you, the file pam.d/* is for pam, not for password generation |
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| 21:53.52 | Tramp | vinvin: sure. password-generation is controlled by PAM as well |
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| 21:54.03 | Tramp | vinvin: man pam_unix |
| 21:54.06 | vinvin | Tramp: really? |
| 21:54.11 | vinvin | that's odd |
| 21:54.26 | Tramp | vinvin: no, I'm making this up because I'm a notorious troll an liar |
| 21:54.33 | vinvin | :) |
| 21:55.11 | nlko | yes i looked at te output from that, where do i edit it though? |
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| 21:56.21 | vinvin | alright Tramp that's the man page i've been looking :) thank you |
| 21:57.04 | Tramp | yw |
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| 21:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | So if I did a ssb of a package that had deps, how would I install it and still get the deps? |
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| 22:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of a howto for freeradius to auth windows PPTP clients that applies to the CURRENT version of freeradius? All I can find are ones for the old 1.x version, which don't work. |
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| 22:14.54 | coax | i get FATAL: Module ipv6 not found. when doing modprobe, but /proc/net has an if_inet6 file which i was told means the kernel supports ipv6. so how can i enable ipv6 on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, we knew that! |
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| 22:15.30 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 22:15.44 | coax | ifconfig is already loaded with ipv6 automatically thanks to my native ipv6 |
| 22:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... if someone says he is a liar.. does he tell the truth?! |
| 22:15.58 | coax | i can ping the gateway but not any external sites |
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| 22:16.12 | NoReflex | hello! how can I use netstat to find out the time until a connection reaches the timeout ? I have about 54 connections to a db server and all appear as established. I want to know how much time must pass until they are automatically terminated... |
| 22:16.13 | coax | so its puzzling me |
| 22:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all over the barber who shaves all men in the village who don't shave themselves |
| 22:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, defn'tly - but it's amazing how many people fall for your answers and take them for real ;) |
| 22:17.22 | NoReflex | AFAIK the TCP timeout is set to 7200 sec (2 hours)... |
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| 22:17.49 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: go, read hofstadter Godel, Escher, Bach. The most boring book ever written. It spreads this theme over 600 pages |
| 22:17.55 | Scarra3 | I need some info I decided to install Debian in place of ubuntu because well im looking more command line oriented, anyways I don't know what packages I will need I know that I want to use gnome. |
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| 22:19.02 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. But that's only because of the convincing presentation of my ignorance. |
| 22:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you're saying you're a troll and a liar, but a skillful one |
| 22:19.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that must be pretty unique on the internet |
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| 22:21.00 | Tramp | Scarra3: "/msg dpkg gnome" gives some informatio |
| 22:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, wouldn't it be more effective to look that value up? |
| 22:21.52 | NoReflex | CutMeOwnThroat: net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 7200 |
| 22:21.56 | SerajewelKS | coax: are you positive that the gateway actually works? |
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| 22:22.21 | Scarra3 | Ok thx Tramp |
| 22:22.26 | SerajewelKS | coax: also, if you can't modprobe ipv6, then the module is probably compiled into the kernel. which means it's not a stock debian kernel. which distro are you using? |
| 22:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, indeed... cat /proc/./sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time |
| 22:22.31 | coax | i think so |
| 22:22.32 | coax | 64 bytes from 2a01:608::224:1dff:fedb:1b03: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms |
| 22:22.52 | SerajewelKS | coax: "gateway responds to ping" is not the same thing as "gateway is a gateway" |
| 22:22.54 | coax | SerajewelKS debian 5 |
| 22:23.02 | SerajewelKS | coax: what's the output of 'uname -a' |
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| 22:23.14 | coax | Linux crypt.blackops.net 2.6.33.2 #1 SMP Thu Apr 8 16:31:05 CEST 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:23.33 | SerajewelKS | coax: yeh that's some other non-debian kernel |
| 22:23.43 | coax | hmm |
| 22:23.48 | SerajewelKS | coax: are you in control of the gateway box? |
| 22:23.49 | mr_crowley | is there a debian version really complete.. but comes only on terminal..... no gui..... but with things like wireless and things like that |
| 22:24.00 | SerajewelKS | mr_crowley: yes, it's called debian |
| 22:24.10 | streuner_ | mr_crowley: lenny/stable |
| 22:24.13 | coax | SerajewelKS im brand new at this. but i dont think so.. the gateway is the server providers router or something isnt it? |
| 22:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, you should check if that is what you think it is, though |
| 22:24.33 | SerajewelKS | coax: right. so 'traceroute6' on some host and see what happens. |
| 22:24.35 | lcarvalho | Does anyone can help me to figure out what is wrong? http://pastebin.ca/1868624 |
| 22:24.43 | SerajewelKS | coax: if you get errors from the gateway, it's their problem and you need to call support |
| 22:24.44 | lcarvalho | note: i am building a .deb package |
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| 22:25.04 | coax | ok SerajewelKS, one second ill paste output to pastebin |
| 22:25.05 | SerajewelKS | mr_crowley: debian is what you make it. if you don't want a GUI, don't install a GUI. |
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| 22:25.07 | NoReflex | CutMeOwnThroat: the webserver says there are only 8 users online...but there are 54 connections to the DB...and the time when there actually were 54 users online was about 8 hours ago |
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| 22:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TCP-Keepalive-HOWTO/usingkeepalive.html tcp_keepalive_time the interval between the last data packet sent (simple ACKs are not considered data) and the first keepalive probe; after the connection is marked to need keepalive, this counter is not used any further |
| 22:25.17 | SerajewelKS | coax: i usually traceroute6 sixxs.net |
| 22:25.28 | SerajewelKS | coax: since that site rarely ever goes down |
| 22:25.33 | coax | http://pastebin.com/6CnCcrEU |
| 22:25.40 | coax | i tried the google one |
| 22:25.47 | coax | it appears to be able to trace some parts |
| 22:25.53 | mr_crowley | well thats true |
| 22:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | because I think it's not |
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| 22:26.08 | SerajewelKS | coax: right, so it's some other gateway that's failing along the way |
| 22:26.19 | coax | SerajewelKS so not my system? |
| 22:26.35 | ola | I'm having a problem with emacs -nw in an xterm. I'm using emacs, and I want to use keybinding M-S-RET. In xterm M-RET works, S-RET works, but M-S-RET gives S-RET instead, in rxvt M-RET works, S-RET works, but M-S-RET gives M-RET instead, in gnome-terminal (which I don't use anyway) I get M-C-j. Any ideas? (all other key bindings seem to work ok) |
| 22:26.44 | SerajewelKS | coax: no. does 'traceroute6 sixxs.net' succeed? |
| 22:26.46 | mr_crowley | is there a good/simple wireless network manager only for console ??? |
| 22:26.57 | coax | http://pastebin.com/2e3kTqNu |
| 22:26.59 | coax | sixxs.net output |
| 22:27.04 | coax | it works yeah |
| 22:27.09 | coax | weird |
| 22:27.09 | NoReflex | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know how I could find out if those connections are marked as needing keep-alive? |
| 22:27.18 | SerajewelKS | coax: yup. the route between you and google is fux0red. |
| 22:27.28 | coax | ok maybe the reboot actually fixed it |
| 22:27.34 | coax | i couldnt connect to anything |
| 22:27.36 | SerajewelKS | coax: talk to your host, maybe they can figure out where it's broken and call them |
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| 22:28.38 | SerajewelKS | mr_crowley: wicd? |
| 22:28.54 | SerajewelKS | you would think by now there would be some console interface to networkmanager |
| 22:29.00 | Tramp | NoReflex: ss -ate |
| 22:29.30 | Tramp | NoReflex: a socket using keepalive has something like: timer:(keepalive,38min,0) |
| 22:29.33 | mr_crowley | but wicd works in gui only right? |
| 22:29.34 | coax | SerajewelKS thanks i can connect to various other ipv6 enabled things now |
| 22:29.36 | coax | so all is well |
| 22:29.43 | SerajewelKS | coax: cool |
| 22:29.46 | Tramp | NoReflex: but don't ask me, what the "38min" means exactly |
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| 22:30.19 | SerajewelKS | mr_crowley: i thought it was CLI too, but maybe not |
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| 22:31.20 | mr_crowley | ok thx! |
| 22:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, ah, there... man tcp. So connections should be terminated after this keep-alive time plus ca 11 minutes |
| 22:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | 7200 are 2 hours |
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| 22:32.19 | SerajewelKS | Engrish_Man: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/cnetworkmanager |
| 22:32.50 | NoReflex | Tramp: I don't have the ss utility... |
| 22:32.59 | SerajewelKS | Engrish_Man: if you use lenny you might still be able to backport that |
| 22:33.07 | Tramp | !installit |
| 22:33.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 22:33.18 | Engrish_Man | SerajewelKS, thx man... looks good |
| 22:33.24 | streuner_ | mr_row: just read wiki.debian.org about |
| 22:33.33 | Tramp | NoReflex: ^^ - it's in iproute |
| 22:33.35 | streuner_ | hm, gone |
| 22:33.58 | SerajewelKS | Engrish_Man: make sure you install network-manager --without-recommends if you don't want to pull in half of gnome |
| 22:34.24 | Engrish_Man | right...! |
| 22:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ss? thats... |
| 22:34.37 | NoReflex | Tramp: aptitude show iproute; Package: iproute; State: installed; Automatically installed: no |
| 22:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoReflex, are you root? |
| 22:35.27 | NoReflex | CutMeOwnThroat: didn't know I had to run it as root; sorry --- it starts now |
| 22:35.29 | Tramp | *sigh* |
| 22:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort Tramp |
| 22:35.43 | dpkg | There, there, Tramp. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:36.05 | Tramp | no, you're not. You're just a bot trying to make me feel better. But you can't. |
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| 22:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, bot |
| 22:36.21 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 22:36.59 | NoReflex | dpkg, feelings |
| 22:36.59 | dpkg | cries |
| 22:37.14 | jhutchins_lt | Gaah. I just verified that the documentation I've been using to try to set up PopTop with freeradius are from the freeradius page, and that they are obsolete and apply to the previous version. They distinctly DO NOT WORK with the current version. |
| 22:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, but it's doing a better job at it than many people |
| 22:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | While freeradius' documentation is no doubt excellent, it is excessively broad and general and very difficult to apply to a simple, specific situation like poptop auth. |
| 22:38.06 | Tramp | yeah. it's a good one |
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| 22:39.35 | SerajewelKS | i bind-mounted /proc into a chroot, and now i can't unmount the bind (device is busy). lsof reports nothing open in the bound target. thoughts? |
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| 22:40.41 | SerajewelKS | nm got it. apparently "umount proc" is not always the same thing as "umount ./proc" |
| 22:41.02 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you can always lazy umount, too |
| 22:41.50 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: usually i like to instead figure out wtf is using the volume |
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| 22:42.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure if it was trying to umount /proc instead, for example. don't want to lazy umount that. |
| 22:42.54 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it was, actually... |
| 22:43.04 | coax | is 2a01:608:ffff:2773:224:1dff:fedb:1b03/64 an entire /64 subnet or just one ip address? |
| 22:43.14 | coax | if not which subnet would it be a part o |
| 22:43.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 22:43.42 | coax | usually its 4 octets and then /64 |
| 22:43.43 | coax | ? |
| 22:43.44 | SerajewelKS | coax: it's an ip address with a subnet specifier |
| 22:43.55 | SerajewelKS | coax: actually 32 octets |
| 22:43.58 | SerajewelKS | coax: erm, 64 |
| 22:44.07 | coax | damn ok |
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| 22:44.26 | coax | well i need to add a reverse entry for the entire subnet and im not sure what to add |
| 22:44.28 | SerajewelKS | coax: erm no, i'm a tool. 8. fuck, i need more coffee. |
| 22:44.50 | alabamahit | Hello, I have a question about my vidoe driver. I can't figure out how to install my drivers... I have been searching for hours. And all i have found has not worked. I have installed Debian 5. I used the small disc. I have nvidia gts 250 video card... Any Ideas? |
| 22:45.06 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: tried m-a a-i nvidia? |
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| 22:45.48 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude install nvidia-glx |
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| 22:46.16 | coax | SerajewelKS can you see here: http://pastebin.com/KFFv2pe2 what is the major subnet these are apart of? they dont look like ::1 ::2 etc that are all over guides |
| 22:46.39 | SerajewelKS | coax: they are all a part of different /64s |
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| 22:46.50 | coax | strange |
| 22:46.54 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: thanks, I'm trying that I have tried half that command. but not the whole thing. |
| 22:47.18 | SerajewelKS | coax: they might be part of some upstream /56 |
| 22:47.36 | SerajewelKS | erm /40 |
| 22:47.39 | SerajewelKS | god |
| 22:47.56 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: if you didn't install nvidia-glx last time, that might be why. that's the X drivers. |
| 22:48.07 | coax | i guess i better contact the provider and ask what exactly my subnet is |
| 22:48.20 | coax | all customers are supposed to get ONE /64 |
| 22:48.21 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: the nvidia kernel module is the half of the driver that sits in the kernel. nvidia-glx is the half that sits in X. the two will talk to each other. |
| 22:48.32 | SerajewelKS | coax: yeah that's a bit more than one |
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| 22:48.58 | coax | SerajewelKS they automatically are picked up by debian on reboot |
| 22:49.03 | coax | and everything works automatically |
| 22:49.13 | coax | not even added in interfaces file |
| 22:49.14 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: I just got this error here " Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed." |
| 22:49.22 | SerajewelKS | coax: yeah, they have a router advertisement daemon running |
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| 22:49.43 | coax | ok i see |
| 22:49.44 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: run "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source" and see why |
| 22:50.11 | coax | ok well lets just use the first one then.. what /64 would that be a part of? |
| 22:50.13 | SerajewelKS | coax: which replaces dhcp for ipv6 networks. the client is built into the kernel module. |
| 22:50.15 | alabamahit | Couldn't find the package. |
| 22:50.27 | SerajewelKS | coax: chop off the last 64 bits |
| 22:50.31 | SerajewelKS | coax: 2a01:608:ffff:2627::/64 |
| 22:50.46 | coax | ok |
| 22:50.50 | coax | thanks a lot |
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| 22:50.57 | SerajewelKS | coax: same question as "what /24 is 192.168.3.128/24" a part of |
| 22:51.03 | SerajewelKS | just do the math :) |
| 22:51.06 | axisys | is there a separate channel for debian arm ? |
| 22:52.28 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: got this "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-kernel-source" I bet I screwed up installing the Debian itself.... |
| 22:53.18 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: no, you just didn't enable non-free sources |
| 22:53.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell alabamahit about non-free |
| 22:54.00 | axisys | this page says seagate freeagent dockstar is not supported |
| 22:54.01 | axisys | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html |
| 22:54.11 | axisys | so i wont be able to compile debian in it ? |
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| 22:55.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.27 | axisys | adb: thanks |
| 22:57.55 | adb | yw |
| 22:57.56 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: Trying it again now. Thanks again for your help. |
| 22:58.04 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: np |
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| 22:58.13 | aguitel | i am with live cd ,how check errors for bad sectors in the hd with terminal |
| 22:58.53 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: depends on the type of volume you are checking |
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| 22:59.37 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, ntfs and ext4 |
| 23:01.36 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: fsck.ext4 -cc /dev/... |
| 23:02.06 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: and i don't think you can do a fsck on ntfs volumes, you will probably have to connect it to a windows machine. |
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| 23:03.46 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, if the volume are reiserfs ? |
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| 23:04.58 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: It's done it did give one error... But most installed going to reboot and see the results. Thanks agina, I will let you know how it went. |
| 23:05.02 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: you'd have to check the manpage for fsck.reiserfs |
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| 23:06.06 | Kanisterschleife | hi all |
| 23:06.50 | Kanisterschleife | Does somebody know how to make pure-ftpd listen for ftp requests only on one single interface? |
| 23:07.08 | SerajewelKS | Kanisterschleife: did you read the documentation? |
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| 23:08.25 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: no go lol. Didn't work. |
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| 23:08.38 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: what was the error message you got? |
| 23:08.47 | Kanisterschleife | SerajewelKS: no, I have to admit I simply searched for "interface" in the manual, but apart from the fact that in the beginning pure-ftpd listens on all interfaces, I did not find something useful |
| 23:09.05 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, need to be mounted the device ? |
| 23:09.26 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: no, you do not want the device mounted. fscking a mounted volume can destroy the volume. |
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| 23:09.44 | SerajewelKS | Kanisterschleife: you can bind to address, is that what you wanted? |
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| 23:10.14 | assmonger | hey, i'm used to running arping on ubuntu where i normally do hey, i'm trying to do arping -b -U -Ieth1 SOME_IP. seems like the debian package for arping has a different set of arguments, and i can't figure it out. how do i get the same effect? |
| 23:10.29 | SerajewelKS | assmonger: "man arping" |
| 23:10.46 | assmonger | SerajewelKS: i tried, but i can't figure it out |
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| 23:11.12 | assmonger | i want to announce that the machine is serving that IP |
| 23:11.16 | SerajewelKS | assmonger: well we don't know what arguments arping on ubuntu accepts, so how are we supposed to know what the command you pasted does? |
| 23:11.41 | SerajewelKS | assmonger: read the arping manpages on both distros and compare them |
| 23:11.53 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/bDdS1yxf |
| 23:11.55 | assmonger | SerajewelKS: again, i tried that |
| 23:12.29 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: so install nvidia-kernel-common first |
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| 23:13.11 | Kanisterschleife | SerajewelKS: this should be enough for my pourposes, thank you |
| 23:13.20 | SerajewelKS | Kanisterschleife: np |
| 23:13.22 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, can i check free space ? |
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| 23:13.34 | Tramp | assmonger: there are 2 arpings: "arping" and "iputils-arping" |
| 23:13.38 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: "check" as in "see how much there is?" |
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| 23:14.21 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, i an talking about 25 gb no formated |
| 23:14.37 | Tramp | the one you are used to is probably the one in "iputils-arping" |
| 23:14.39 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: oh, you mean see how much unpartitioned space there is? |
| 23:14.48 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: it was all me, lol. I was missing the last software source. |
| 23:14.55 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: :) |
| 23:15.13 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: hey at least you figured that out by yourself |
| 23:15.28 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 23:15.41 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 23:15.43 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: the easiest way to visualize that is with something like gparted |
| 23:16.05 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: ok, going to reboot once again. :) |
| 23:16.09 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: why |
| 23:16.17 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: just restart your display manager |
| 23:16.23 | alabamahit | ah |
| 23:16.25 | SerajewelKS | !reboot |
| 23:16.25 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 23:16.40 | SerajewelKS | this isn't windows :P |
| 23:16.50 | Titan8990 | !qotd2 |
| 23:16.51 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 23:18.32 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, the question is iam in live usb and i cannot install gparted |
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| 23:19.02 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: well you could use fdisk and a calculator... |
| 23:19.22 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, ok |
| 23:21.33 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: Ok, i must be crazy, I can't find the command for restarting the display... |
| 23:22.22 | Kazuha | I gather there's a kernel module for forbidding bad memory addresses, or something like that.... |
| 23:22.25 | Titan8990 | killall X; usually does the trick for stopping it... |
| 23:22.27 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: are you using gdm or kdm? |
| 23:22.30 | Kazuha | Where would I find it? |
| 23:22.36 | alabamahit | gdm |
| 23:22.42 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 23:28.30 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: I did that and it put me in black screen. So I rebooted. And I guess I did something wrong cause still not working... |
| 23:28.47 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: is this lenny or squeeze? |
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| 23:30.32 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: Not sure.. Didn't know there was 2 versions. The ISO i downloaded was this one "debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso" |
| 23:30.40 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: ok that's lenny... hmm |
| 23:30.51 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: wish i could stay and help but i have to run... |
| 23:31.13 | alabamahit | SerajewelKS: Not a problem. Thanks for all your help you did give :) |
| 23:31.26 | Titan8990 | albondy: what card do you have? |
| 23:31.26 | SerajewelKS | alabamahit: np, hope you get it working... |
| 23:31.43 | fruitwerks | can I like view what someone else is doing on the cli? like a non-interactive screen |
| 23:31.50 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: what card do you have? |
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| 23:32.37 | alabamahit | nvidia gts 250 |
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| 23:33.25 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: you have to use the nvidia drivers from sid |
| 23:33.49 | alabamahit | Titan8990: not sure what sid is? |
| 23:33.56 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: I recommend manually fetching the needed packages from packages.debian.org, instead of adding sid to your sources |
| 23:34.20 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: it is the unstable branch of debian. It contains the newer nvidia drivers that will work with that the 200 series |
| 23:35.04 | alabamahit | Titan8990: I used the small download of debian. I thought that was the one that fetches only the files i neeeded. But this is my first go at debian though. |
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| 23:36.09 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: download this package and install with dpkg -i: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:36.25 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: then run: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 23:41.16 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: after that install this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx . run: nvidia-xconfig; and then restart X |
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| 23:46.18 | alabamahit | Titan8990: I'm stuck at begining when I run "dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_190.53-4_amd64.deb" (after downloading it of course) I get this error debian:/home/alabamahit/Desktop# dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_190.53-4_amd64.deb |
| 23:46.18 | alabamahit | (Reading database ... 110049 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 23:46.18 | alabamahit | Preparing to replace nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-4 (using nvidia-kernel-source_190.53-4_amd64.deb) ... |
| 23:46.18 | alabamahit | Unpacking replacement nvidia-kernel-source ... |
| 23:46.18 | alabamahit | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-kernel-source: |
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| 23:46.19 | dpkg | alabamahit: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 23:46.44 | alabamahit | I'm sorry, didn't mean to do that. |
| 23:46.48 | Titan8990 | !paste |
| 23:46.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 23:47.00 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: use pastebin for the error please |
| 23:47.11 | alabamahit | yeah, i ment to post the pastbin link but it didn't copy. |
| 23:47.42 | Titan8990 | ,depends nvidia-kernel-source --release sid |
| 23:47.45 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- depends: debhelper (>> 4.0.0), make, sed (>> 3.0), quilt (>= 0.46-7~), module-assistant. |
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| 23:48.08 | alabamahit | Titan8990: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/yyrK04qZ |
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| 23:48.31 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: aptitude install quilt; try again |
| 23:49.14 | alabamahit | Ah, so, with debian you use aptitude. apt-get don't work? |
| 23:49.24 | alabamahit | I tired to install with apt-get but it didn't work lol |
| 23:49.57 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: apt-get works but it not recommended. you probably had a typo when you tried apt-get |
| 23:50.04 | Titan8990 | !tell alabamahit about why aptitude |
| 23:51.20 | Sarago | should I add users to sudoers file or add them to the sudo group instead? |
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| 23:52.56 | Titan8990 | Sarago: depends on what kind of conrol you want for the sudo users |
| 23:53.12 | Titan8990 | Sarago: if to you sudo = full root access, then it really doesn't matter |
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| 23:55.35 | Sarago | Titan8990: does adding to the sudo group already give full root access? |
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| 23:56.23 | alabamahit | Titan8990: brb, i got to run to store. Thanks for your help |
| 23:56.50 | Titan8990 | Sarago: I don't know, check /etc/sudoers |
| 23:57.48 | Chris___ | My web cam is in use light is on :/ |
| 23:57.55 | Chris___ | Mind you, I don't have skype/cheese/etc installed |