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| 00:02.23 | Sarago | can the terminal command aptitude be used to search? |
| 00:02.32 | Sarago | I can't find any options for that |
| 00:02.44 | Chris___ | aptitude search blah |
| 00:03.11 | Kra | you can use apt-cache search packet too |
| 00:03.17 | Chris___ | ^ |
| 00:03.29 | Chris___ | anyone have any idea why my webcam is acting like it's in use? :/ |
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| 00:03.45 | Sarago | so "aptitude search dr17" shouldn't have returned anything? |
| 00:04.15 | Kra | Sarago... depends |
| 00:04.35 | Kra | depends if it finds anything in the cache made |
| 00:05.00 | Kra | if the packages are found on the mirrors when you do apt-get update it will store their info in cache |
| 00:05.02 | Sarago | I also tried enlightenment and e17 and still nothing was found |
| 00:05.04 | Kra | and when you search for them |
| 00:05.10 | Kra | they will be shown |
| 00:05.15 | Titan8990 | ,versions e17 |
| 00:05.17 | judd | e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.063-1 |
| 00:05.25 | Kra | Sarago are you using ubuntu or debian ? |
| 00:05.33 | Sarago | Kra: debian |
| 00:05.48 | Kra | root@PC: > apt-cache policy e17 |
| 00:05.48 | Kra | e17: |
| 00:05.48 | Kra | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.48 | Kra | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.48 | Kra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.58 | Kra | great |
| 00:06.21 | Titan8990 | Kra: i just used the bot to show where it was available |
| 00:06.41 | Titan8990 | Kra: its only available in sid |
| 00:06.49 | Kra | Titan8990 i saw that too late |
| 00:07.55 | Sarago | ah, I see, so e16 is the production version if that's what you call it |
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| 00:08.10 | Sarago | e17 is like masked or something? |
| 00:08.38 | Titan8990 | Sarago: yes, you can consider packages in sid the equivelent of "masked" in gentoo |
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| 00:09.28 | alabamahit | Ok, I'm back. I tried those commands. but i still get the quilt error. says the quilt that installed is not new enough. |
| 00:09.40 | Titan8990 | Sarago: although installation of masked packages in gentoo is common, in debian it can easily lead to a toasted system |
| 00:09.55 | Titan8990 | !tell Sarago about ssb |
| 00:10.17 | Titan8990 | Sarago: ssb is the safest method but it is not possible to backport all packages |
| 00:10.49 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: I don't recall that last time I tried.. |
| 00:10.52 | Titan8990 | ,versions quilt |
| 00:10.54 | judd | quilt -- etch: 0.45-6; etch-backports: 0.46-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.46-6; lenny-backports: 0.46-8~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.48-6; sid: 0.48-7 |
| 00:11.20 | Titan8990 | ,depends nvidia-kernel-source --release sid |
| 00:11.21 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- depends: debhelper (>> 4.0.0), make, sed (>> 3.0), quilt (>= 0.46-7~), module-assistant. |
| 00:11.37 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: install quilt from lenny-backports |
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| 00:12.41 | heroxbd | Hello, how can I manually make a new process to be a child process of an existing one? |
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| 00:14.31 | Titan8990 | heroxbd: clone(2) or fork(2)? |
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| 00:17.20 | alabamahit | Titan8990: the backport installed the same version 46.6 |
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| 00:18.09 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: you have to do: aptitude -t lenny-backports install quilt; after your add backports to your sources.list and update |
| 00:18.18 | alabamahit | nvm i mess up again |
| 00:18.40 | Titan8990 | !tell alabamahit about bpo |
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| 00:22.58 | alabamahit | Titan8990: ok, i just got the "nvidia-kernel-source_190.53-4_amd64.deb" installed. I forgot the rest of what you said to do. |
| 00:23.39 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 00:24.27 | alabamahit | Titan8990: done |
| 00:25.00 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx download and install |
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| 00:26.48 | alabamahit | Titan8990: i have that installed, I did that before that "m-a a-i" command |
| 00:27.17 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: it shouldn't have allowed you to install it before that... |
| 00:28.13 | alabamahit | Titan8990: i just ran it again. |
| 00:28.18 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: it should have depended on a package that m-a builds and installs... pastebin: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
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| 00:29.39 | alabamahit | Titan8990: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/shNBqNk5 that what you wanted? |
| 00:30.12 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: yes, that shows you don't have any version of nvidia-glx installed |
| 00:31.33 | alabamahit | Titan8990: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/RUVBtDnn |
| 00:31.56 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: not that one, the other one... nvidia-glx |
| 00:32.03 | alabamahit | oh |
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| 00:32.12 | alabamahit | slaps himself in the back of the head |
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| 00:33.59 | alabamahit | Titan8990: i must be confussed, it seems that is the right file... i ahve 64bit.. and that is listed under the nvidia-glx.. |
| 00:34.44 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: the package is nvidia-glx_190.53-4_amd64.deb |
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| 00:34.51 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: i even gave you a link to it |
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| 00:35.43 | jcims | anyone here know of a good/recent tutorial for streaming live webcams to a flash player? i have no hair left |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | isn't that kind of a flash question ? |
| 00:36.22 | alabamahit | Titan8990: sorry, the names are so close.. your right, doing that now |
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| 00:37.13 | alabamahit | Titan8990: now i ran the glx one. |
| 00:37.29 | jcims | abrotman: it's a V4L2/UVC/VLC/RTMP/Red5/Flowplayer question, unfortunately...having a hard time finding one answer that works :/ |
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| 00:37.46 | abrotman | just wonders how it's related to Debian |
| 00:37.50 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: no errors on either? |
| 00:38.00 | jcims | lol, starting at square one i guess |
| 00:38.01 | alabamahit | nope. I'll paste it. |
| 00:38.54 | alabamahit | Titan8990: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/ZLDJADuF |
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| 00:39.36 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: run nvidia-xconfig and give it a try |
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| 00:41.22 | alabamahit | Titan8990: i just type "nvidia-xconfig" correct? If so, it is saying that command is not found. Makes me think I'm fubaring something that simple to lol |
| 00:41.41 | Titan8990 | !install it |
| 00:41.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:41.43 | Wilhelm_Scream | OK, when I open a .deb file in Ubuntu it installs the package |
| 00:41.54 | Wilhelm_Scream | When I do it in Debian I get the archive manager |
| 00:42.32 | Titan8990 | Wilhelm_Scream: you want the package gdebi. no comment on getting your DE to use it as default for .deb |
| 00:42.34 | alabamahit | Titan8990: thanks :) |
| 00:42.46 | Wilhelm_Scream | Thanks |
| 00:43.04 | Wilhelm_Scream | why isn't that included by default in the desktop meta package? |
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| 00:43.41 | alabamahit | Titan8990: http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/3SPCnwbu Does that seem right? |
| 00:43.48 | Titan8990 | Wilhelm_Scream: discourage people installing random .debs from non-debian repos? don't know |
| 00:44.05 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: yes |
| 00:44.12 | Wilhelm_Scream | Meh, it was easier then adding Chrome's repo |
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| 00:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | Wilhelm_Scream: I think the .deb file is (correctly) identified internally as an .ar archive. It would depend on how your DE handles files, they should use the mime type or magic number rather than the file extension. |
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| 00:46.10 | alabamahit | Titan8990: Does that mean, I should be ready to run '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' ? |
| 00:46.37 | Titan8990 | Wilhelm_Scream: yes, and they finally fixed the issue with their repo hanging. |
| 00:46.44 | Titan8990 | alabamahit: yes |
| 00:46.59 | alabamahit | crosses fingers |
| 00:47.29 | Wilhelm_Scream | Btw, is the flash in Debian's repos fairly current? |
| 00:48.03 | Titan8990 | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:48.04 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | which repos? |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | that lenny bpo needs some updating |
| 00:48.52 | Titan8990 | I don't think those version numbers hold any significance to upstream's |
| 00:48.55 | Wilhelm_Scream | Whichever is the most current/stable |
| 00:49.14 | heroxbd | Titan8990: thank you. let me check.. |
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| 00:50.34 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: I didn't think there _was_ an upstream for flashpluggin-nonfree, I though it was just a Debian script. |
| 00:51.25 | Wilhelm_Scream | I don't even see an option for Debian on adobe's site |
| 00:51.29 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: that would make sense on the versions not matching |
| 00:51.46 | Titan8990 | Wilhelm_Scream: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:51.51 | Wilhelm_Scream | Lenny |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | !tell Wilhelm_Scream about bpo |
| 00:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: I _think_ the script will download whatever the latest flash from adobe is. |
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| 00:52.22 | Wilhelm_Scream | Where do I get the script? |
| 00:52.51 | Titan8990 | Wilhelm_Scream: flashplugin-nonfree from lenny-backports |
| 00:53.01 | Wilhelm_Scream | K, thank you |
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| 01:00.40 | Sarago | ah, openbox installed, now I'm feeling better |
| 01:01.43 | Sarago | I've installed aterm and i'm trying to configure it via .Xdefaults, what's the command to re-read changes to .Xdefaults without re-logging? |
| 01:01.50 | Sarago | merge something right? |
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| 01:02.18 | Titan8990 | no idea, try apropos |
| 01:03.05 | moes | Lenny 5.0.4 ..Kde 3 ..compiz 0.7.4 ..How to I start compiz on boot |
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| 01:07.04 | Titan8990 | moes: need to figure out how to add a autostarted application to kde of "compiz --replace" just as in gnome |
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| 01:08.57 | maurizio | Sarago: xrdb -merge ? |
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| 01:09.39 | Sarago | maurizio: ah yes! thanks! |
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| 01:11.27 | likevinyl | is away: "el pez por la boca muere". |
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| 01:28.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 01:28.31 | dpkg | <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
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| 01:35.02 | moes | Titan8990, ...Thanks...Links fusion-icon to autostart and that starts compiz on boot |
| 01:37.01 | karsten | Hrm ... does grub2 not read NTFS filesystems? |
| 01:37.14 | karsten | had intended to dual-boot his system, but it ain't. |
| 01:37.34 | Titan8990 | karsten: yes, it does |
| 01:37.41 | dvs | karsten: Why would you say that? |
| 01:38.21 | karsten | Well, the system doesn't dual-boot. Just checking it now under qemu, and when using /dev/hda as my boot disk, I can't read (hd0,1) |
| 01:38.53 | dvs | karsten: it chain loads Win 7 for me. |
| 01:39.58 | karsten | Command used (qemu): qemu -hda /dev/sda -snapshot -m 512 |
| 01:40.32 | karsten | Result: "error: no such disk \nEntering rescue mode... \ngrub rescue> _" |
| 01:40.41 | karsten | ("\n" for newline). |
| 01:41.00 | karsten | Booting native I've got similar issues. Trying to see if I can't virtualize the NT installation. |
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| 01:41.09 | karsten | If it doesn't happen, no great loss. |
| 01:41.43 | karsten | the grub commandline I get is also pretty minimal: boot cat dump exit help insmod ls lsmod rmmod root set unset |
| 01:41.47 | adb | karsten, ask in #grub (maybe) |
| 01:41.56 | karsten | There's a thought. |
| 01:42.26 | Titan8990 | karsten: root (hdx,x) <-- /boot partition containing menu.lst; setup (hd0) |
| 01:42.54 | karsten | Titan8990: 'ls (hd0,1)' -> "error: unknown filesystem" |
| 01:43.16 | Titan8990 | karsten: what kind of filesystem is hd0,1? |
| 01:43.17 | karsten | root (hd0,1) -> "(hd0,1): Filesystem is unknown" |
| 01:43.26 | karsten | NTFS, WinNT SP 3. |
| 01:43.53 | karsten | Host is a fresh lenny install 5.0.4 |
| 01:43.53 | Titan8990 | karsten: no, hdx,x needs to be the partition that /boot is on. ntfs can't be /boot |
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| 01:44.36 | karsten | Titan8990: That's not visible from qemu as I didn't point it at my Linux disk. (two hard drives). |
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| 01:44.59 | karsten | I was thinking I should be able to boot Windows from its own partition, though I may be wrong about that. |
| 01:45.43 | karsten | As I said: booting natively also fails -- operating system not found or some similar error when selecting the NT boot stanza |
| 01:46.21 | Titan8990 | karsten: grub2 needs to read /boot/grub.cfg... it has to exist |
| 01:46.49 | karsten | Titan8990: That would explain the error. Thanks. |
| 01:47.17 | karsten | I'll try a different tack, may need to do a reinstall or something. |
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| 01:49.38 | jhambo | where are the appropriate drivers and/or firmware for "Intel Corporation WiFi Link 100 Series"? |
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| 01:57.51 | digitalice | hi |
| 01:58.23 | digitalice | which windows manager would u guys recommend for a 128mb ram pc? |
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| 01:58.58 | Titan8990 | GNU screen |
| 01:59.17 | comradekingu | digitalice: openbox? |
| 01:59.21 | digitalice | dont know about it, will search in google |
| 02:00.17 | digitalice | i need something light, for a P3 about 128mb ram |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | digitalice: look at xwinman.org |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | digitalice: and get yourself some more RAM |
| 02:01.03 | digitalice | abrotman: is just for an ABIWORD and a internet browser |
| 02:01.10 | digitalice | i just need a minimal instalation |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | digitalice: and get yourself some more RAM |
| 02:01.38 | digitalice | abrotman: cant pay for it, its for an office with old computers |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | going to be pretty slow .. |
| 02:02.16 | apersonas | I used fluxbox on a pentium 90 with like 16megs |
| 02:02.51 | Titan8990 | apersonas: but your still waiting for it to boot up? |
| 02:03.15 | apersonas | it only took about 18 minutes. Not including starting firefox of course. |
| 02:03.24 | apersonas | Or loading the icons if I wanted them. |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | apersonas: yeah .. but that was probably 10 years ago when fluxbox was largely based on blackbox and was much smaller, and not using a gecko-based browser and not using GTK for Abiword |
| 02:04.08 | digitalice | do u recommend fluxbox? |
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| 02:04.51 | Titan8990 | I think he just recommended more RAM... |
| 02:05.08 | apersonas | Yeah it was a while ago. |
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| 02:05.37 | wols_ | digitalice: why do you insist on debian, why not puppylinux, DSL or other distros optimized for small memory footprint? |
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| 02:06.00 | abrotman | wols_: i don't think it's going to matter as soon as you start gecko-based stuff |
| 02:06.23 | digitalice | wols_ : because im just going to install a few packages |
| 02:06.27 | wols_ | abrotman: it does :) ffox is not _too_ hungry, IF you keep the tabcount low |
| 02:06.32 | digitalice | im going to use netinstall |
| 02:06.43 | wols_ | digitalice: that's still wrong |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | wols_: it's not the number of tabs really .. |
| 02:06.49 | digitalice | and install just what i need to run abiword and fluxbox :D |
| 02:06.58 | wols_ | abrotman: when I ran ffox on 128MB it was |
| 02:06.59 | apersonas | digitalice, it would probably work okay but slow. Like anything else modern on such a machine |
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| 02:07.10 | abrotman | wols_: usually the session duration |
| 02:07.29 | wols_ | digitalice: the distros I mentioned try already at compile time to limit memory usage. debian does not |
| 02:07.41 | digitalice | they run the lastes fedora now, it could not be worst |
| 02:08.01 | wols_ | I came a little late to the party, how much RAM and CPU do we talk about? |
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| 02:08.25 | Titan8990 | wols_: 128mb, unknown cpu |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | PIII, 128MB |
| 02:09.25 | wols_ | I ran ffox on a P2 233. what was noticeable was the slowness of the rendering. I didn't notice swapping really |
| 02:09.59 | digitalice | so debian woluld be great |
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| 02:11.09 | cbrinke1 | Hello, with apt-* is there a way to see what versions are available of a specific package? |
| 02:11.29 | cbrinke1 | I am attempting to instruct apt-get to only get an earlier version, and its not working |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | probably easier to use packages.debian.org/foopkg |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | oh, you can use aptitude and something like aptitude install foopkg=<vernum> IIRC |
| 02:12.02 | wols_ | cbrinke1: apt-cache policy |
| 02:13.24 | cbrinke1 | Also, I am seeing some mention of "FU=1" when I am trying to do a apt-get install foobar=1.2.3 |
| 02:13.30 | cbrinke1 | What is that acronym FU? |
| 02:14.22 | simonrvn | can think of one but i dobt that's what it is |
| 02:14.36 | simonrvn | doubt* |
| 02:14.54 | cbrinke1 | I was hoping for ForcedUp(grade|date) but I know what you are saying |
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| 02:15.18 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: are you mixing debian releases? |
| 02:15.45 | cbrinke1 | no, we are building some custom packages and attempting to force apt-get to just install our version instead of the "latest/greatest" |
| 02:16.33 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: if you are manually installing with dpkg, just use aptitude hold after its installed |
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| 02:17.07 | cbrinke1 | we are really hoping to benefit from the apt's dependecy resolution (installing via dpkg gets all whiny about missing dep's) |
| 02:17.26 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: if its coming from a local repo, you need to properly configure apt so that your local repo has a higher priority. |
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| 02:17.52 | cbrinke1 | Titan8990: as I was reading about pinning a bit more that is what I am thinking will work. |
| 02:18.16 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: it will probably still have issues if they already the package of a higher version |
| 02:18.20 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 02:18.20 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 02:19.21 | boxxertrumps | is there a package available for h246 encoding or do i have to do something else? i'm trying to use vlc to save my webcam output to a file i can upload to youtube |
| 02:19.59 | dvs | h.264 |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | cbrinke1: what are you trying to downgrade and why ? |
| 02:20.31 | boxxertrumps | yes dvs i'm dislexic apparentally |
| 02:20.35 | cbrinke1 | thats a bit of a pain as we have to fork off of an older version of an older package... we were hoping to just keep the package name/infrastructure, but that warning about downgrade makes me second guess. |
| 02:21.13 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: what is the need for the downgrade? |
| 02:22.17 | cbrinke1 | We have some patches to a sip server from 3+ years ago. We want to package these change as deb's and install via apt-get. But, we don't want apt to decide the later official version is preferrable. |
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| 02:22.47 | Scarra3 | Ok for debian does it come installed with gnome or do I half to install it seperatly |
| 02:23.11 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: well, the recommended solution would be to maintain the patches and get them to work on the new version... |
| 02:23.26 | boxxertrumps | tstools maybe? |
| 02:23.42 | Scarra3 | Ok |
| 02:23.44 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: but if it works, your local repo will work fine. if the package is already installed, they will just need to remove first instead of "downgrading" |
| 02:23.53 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: check on man apt_preferences |
| 02:24.02 | cbrinke1 | Titan8990: yes, and there was a signifigant fork in the meanwhile, so it will be a lot of effort to port. It is in the works however as we don't like being off of the bleeding edge too much |
| 02:24.39 | Rune^ | Hi, I ran into a problem with the headerfiles for 2.6.30-bpo.2-686-bigmem, seems they lack symlinks for several files like include/linux/kernel.h from bigmem to 2.6.30-bpo.2-common, any suggestion to a solution that lets me create these in a sensible manner? :) |
| 02:24.44 | Titan8990 | cbrinke1: your really off the bleeding-edge if you need something older than is in lenny |
| 02:25.53 | Titan8990 | Rune^: is that kernel even still in the repos? |
| 02:26.21 | Rune^ | Titan8990, along with 2.6.32, yes. |
| 02:26.40 | Rune^ | just downgraded from 32 to 30 to check if the symlinks were in place, no luck though |
| 02:29.32 | \amethyst | Rune^: those symlinks aren't there in the normal kernel headers packages either |
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| 02:30.11 | \amethyst | Rune^: I believe you are supposed to use -common as the "source" directory when building modules, and -<subarch> as the "build" directory |
| 02:30.52 | Titan8990 | you could probably just use the full source too... |
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| 02:31.53 | Rune^ | \amethyst, um, ok, they were in place in the 2.6.18 headers in debian 4 :) |
| 02:31.59 | Rune^ | 5, even |
| 02:32.26 | \amethyst | ? |
| 02:32.31 | \amethyst | 2.6.18 isn't in lenny |
| 02:32.32 | abrotman | .18 is 4.0 |
| 02:32.34 | \amethyst | it was in etch |
| 02:32.48 | Rune^ | ok, but either way those headers had symlinks from bigmem to common |
| 02:32.53 | Rune^ | though it wasnt named common then |
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| 02:34.45 | Rune^ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 54 2010-04-14 05:00 linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem/include/linux/kernel.h -> ../../../linux-headers-2.6.18-6/include/linux/kernel.h |
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| 02:35.13 | FDfh | Are there any good application docks (a la rocketdock) in debian? |
| 02:35.18 | Rune^ | dont mind the timestamp, its just wrong |
| 02:36.10 | abrotman | FDfh: there are quite a few of them .. apt-cache search application dock .. or something like that |
| 02:36.17 | Titan8990 | ,info avant-window-navigator |
| 02:36.19 | judd | avant-window-navigator (gnome, optional): A MacOS X like panel for GNOME. Version: 0.2.6-7; Size: 88.3k; Installed: 316k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/avant-window-navigator/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/avant-window-navigator |
| 02:36.42 | FDfh | Titan8990: I've triwed awn, didn't really like it :p |
| 02:37.10 | FDfh | s/triwed/tried/ |
| 02:40.07 | Scarra3 | This is what I have so far for what im going to install in Debian |
| 02:40.08 | Scarra3 | http://pastebin.ca/1868929 |
| 02:40.15 | Scarra3 | Any other suggestions this is for a laptop |
| 02:45.04 | Sarago | how do I re-read the fonts after installing new ones with out restarting X |
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| 02:51.14 | Scarra3 | Any suggestions |
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| 02:58.23 | wols_ | Scarra3: strange list that. for example you list bash for no good reason at all, list make and gcc while also listing build-essential |
| 02:58.37 | wols_ | Scarra3: I gatehr this is a healess laptop? |
| 02:58.41 | Scarra3 | No |
| 02:59.27 | wols_ | then you won't have much fun with your gnome programs |
| 02:59.27 | Scarra3 | What would you suggest then becase I only have experience with ubuntu and fedora which are setup out of the box |
| 02:59.54 | wols_ | I suggest you start to install debian and follow the installation |
| 03:00.00 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: there are "tasks" such as laptop and desktop that will handle a lot of your guessing |
| 03:00.28 | napkins | what is /selinux file? |
| 03:00.30 | Scarra3 | I know that but im trying to get a list of all the programs im going to install |
| 03:00.38 | wols_ | !selinux |
| 03:00.38 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:00.45 | wols_ | Scarra3:why? |
| 03:00.46 | napkins | wth |
| 03:01.13 | napkins | how do I check to see if im using selinux? |
| 03:01.13 | Scarra3 | wols_ So it makes it easier and I don't half to go running around deciding what to install |
| 03:01.31 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: some of those are all included with gnome or "desktop"... or are included with build-essential |
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| 03:01.42 | Scarra3 | I see |
| 03:01.53 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: unless we are talking server deployments I don't see a real reason to plan this in advance |
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| 03:02.04 | wols_ | so you decide now what to install when you don't even know what debian provides for you or what the dependencies are instead of deciding later when you actually have all the information. you gain what from that approach? |
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| 03:02.11 | Scarra3 | It just makes it easier for me Titan8990 |
| 03:02.44 | wols_ | Scarra3: and some of those aren't included but needed for gnome unless you do remote X. X in particular |
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| 03:03.45 | Titan8990 | chromium needs to be compiled yourself, while chrome has conventient repos/binaries |
| 03:03.49 | Scarra3 | So what is your suggestion wols because I don't want to have debian with no programs installed and not able to switch to another OS |
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| 03:04.51 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 03:05.06 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: just install and select desktop and laptop. this is likely the low-configuration setup your looking for |
| 03:05.09 | wols_ | why would you have debian "with no programs installed" and what prevent you switching OSes? |
| 03:05.09 | meoblast001 | are there any Debian CDs that come with GNOME on it? |
| 03:05.11 | meoblast001 | and the base |
| 03:05.14 | meoblast001 | that isn't Ubuntu |
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| 03:05.21 | wols_ | meoblast001: CD1 of debian |
| 03:05.26 | meoblast001 | that has all of GNOME? |
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| 03:05.48 | wols_ | meoblast001: no. /msg dpkg popcon |
| 03:06.09 | Bop | how do i allow a user to shutdown in lenny ? |
| 03:06.19 | Scarra3 | Titan8990: so pritty much install debian and chose desktop or laptop then add programs from there? |
| 03:06.26 | Bop | add user to powerdev group ? |
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| 03:06.36 | wols_ | Bop: the user should already be able to. to what groups does this user belong? |
| 03:06.44 | Bop | wait |
| 03:06.49 | Bop | its the default |
| 03:07.02 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: yep |
| 03:07.07 | Bop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.14 | meoblast001 | wols_: ah, does it have enough of GNOME to function? |
| 03:07.19 | Scarra3 | Ok should I chose desktop or laptop because im installing this onto a laptop |
| 03:07.20 | wols_ | meoblast001: of course |
| 03:07.23 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: you can choose both, doesn't need to be or |
| 03:08.01 | Scarra3 | Ok |
| 03:08.03 | Bop | wols_, what group should it belong ? |
| 03:08.07 | Scarra3 | should I go with http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst small cd |
| 03:08.37 | wols_ | Bop: you already answered yourself |
| 03:08.50 | Bop | i made a wild guess |
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| 03:09.00 | Bop | but ok |
| 03:09.03 | Bop | powerdev it is |
| 03:09.07 | wols_ | Scarra3: probably. how does your notebook access the internet? |
| 03:09.18 | Scarra3 | Wireless threw wpa |
| 03:09.25 | Scarra3 | *wpa encryption |
| 03:09.29 | wols_ | Scarra3: then no. use CD1 instead |
| 03:09.42 | wols_ | Scarra3: what wlan chip is it? |
| 03:09.48 | Titan8990 | wols_: cd1 include laptop task? i.e. wpasupplicant |
| 03:10.02 | Scarra3 | Its and Atheros AR5007 |
| 03:10.04 | Bop | dvd 1 includes |
| 03:10.06 | wols_ | Titan8990: I dunno, but netinst definitely doesn't. was already checking when you asked :) |
| 03:10.13 | Scarra3 | Which uses ath5k |
| 03:10.30 | Bop | yeah , that's why net install sucks |
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| 03:10.40 | Bop | no wpa and no wifi manager |
| 03:10.42 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: can you get the pciid, lspci -nn |
| 03:10.58 | rpgdude | i am having trouble getting bluetooth to work after upgrading to bluez4 |
| 03:11.01 | Titan8990 | install over wireless is usually undesirable |
| 03:11.10 | Bop | cant see why , Titan8990 |
| 03:11.19 | Bop | its a card like others |
| 03:11.22 | Scarra3 | Titan8990 what is pciid and lspci -nn |
| 03:11.47 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: pci id. lspci -nn is command |
| 03:11.59 | \amethyst | Titan8990: I don't think Scarra3 is using Linux yet |
| 03:12.11 | Scarra3 | I have used ubuntu and fedora some |
| 03:12.21 | wols_ | Titan8990: it contains it |
| 03:12.23 | Scarra3 | and messed with arch linux with bad luck |
| 03:12.31 | wols_ | Scarra3: get CD1 |
| 03:12.51 | Titan8990 | wols_: yeah... but sometimes there are newer cards... same driver but later added support |
| 03:13.12 | Scarra3 | I cant find CD1 just netinstall |
| 03:13.29 | Titan8990 | wols_: piix in .26 not support my ich10 chipset for example |
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| 03:13.50 | wols_ | Tuomas: that is a different question. testing has a CD1 as well |
| 03:13.54 | wols_ | Titan8990: ^^ |
| 03:14.21 | Scarra3 | Titan8990: this is what I find |
| 03:14.22 | Scarra3 | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 03:14.48 | Titan8990 | oh... |
| 03:14.56 | Titan8990 | wols_: it says kmuto has wpa support version |
| 03:14.58 | Titan8990 | !kmuto |
| 03:14.58 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 03:15.02 | wols_ | Scarra3: and there you have links to ISOs for all debian supported platforms. you want the "i386" one |
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| 03:15.24 | wols_ | Titan8990: wpa inside the installer? or with interfaces editing? |
| 03:15.27 | Scarra3 | This one |
| 03:15.28 | Scarra3 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:15.52 | Scarra3 | what's on CD1 |
| 03:15.54 | Titan8990 | wols_: it just says "wpa support". |
| 03:16.04 | wols_ | Scarra3: probably. depends on your hardware a bit. debian lenny uses kernel 2.6.26 so new hardware since then might not be supported |
| 03:16.14 | Scarra3 | Damn |
| 03:16.24 | Scarra3 | Well my laptop worked with ubuntu 9.04 |
| 03:16.33 | Titan8990 | wols_: "experimental untested" |
| 03:16.36 | Bop | teach him also how to set up wpa_supplicant from console |
| 03:16.49 | Bop | cause if he's noob he wont do it |
| 03:16.49 | wols_ | Scarra3: it's the same when you use an other operating system. tried to install XP on a sata disk lately? |
| 03:17.11 | Scarra3 | Ya I half to slipstream sata drivers |
| 03:17.13 | wols_ | Scarra3: it depends on your hardware, which you didn't tell us about |
| 03:18.01 | Scarra3 | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01607574&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=3818762 |
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| 03:19.47 | xulf | is there a max file size on my 32 bit installion? |
| 03:20.40 | \amethyst | xulf: depends on the filesystem more than the OS bitness |
| 03:21.33 | wols_ | xulf: wikipedia has a comparison of filesystems with max filesizes |
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| 03:22.29 | wols_ | but it's pretty fair to say you won't notice these limits. however some few programs can't deal with large files, but very very few and by the time squeeze is released there shouldn't be any anymore. it's a release goal for it |
| 03:23.54 | wols_ | ext3's limit is 16 Terabyte for example |
| 03:24.02 | xulf | i had run into this problem before |
| 03:24.24 | wols_ | in what way? using FAT? |
| 03:24.33 | \amethyst | assuming you're using a 4KiB block size |
| 03:24.37 | xulf | linux but it was a while ago |
| 03:24.42 | \amethyst | which is the default nowadays I believe |
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| 03:24.59 | \amethyst | at least, it's the default in my /etc/mke2fs.conf |
| 03:25.15 | xulf | it says 15gbyte to 16terabyte ? |
| 03:25.26 | xulf | for the limit |
| 03:25.31 | wols_ | xulf: yes. depending on blocksize |
| 03:25.47 | xulf | i mean 2 terabytes |
| 03:25.53 | xulf | thats a big difference |
| 03:25.59 | wols_ | no it says 16 Terabyte |
| 03:26.06 | xulf | oh |
| 03:26.24 | xulf | ok ill be fine :P |
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| 03:26.34 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 03:26.39 | \amethyst | 16 GiB to 2 TiB |
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| 03:26.49 | Rune^ | \amethyst, for waht its worth the stock 2.6.26 lenny kernel has those pesky symlinks in place, just the backport packages who hasnt |
| 03:26.50 | \amethyst | no version of ext3 supports 16 TiB files |
| 03:26.52 | Rune^ | :] |
| 03:27.07 | \amethyst | Rune^: hm, stock 2.6.30 does not |
| 03:27.19 | Rune^ | odd.. I just checked with 2.6.26 |
| 03:27.22 | wols_ | \amethyst: mea culpa. read the ext4 limits :/ |
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| 03:27.33 | Rune^ | no problem compiling my evil thirdparty closedsource module |
| 03:27.52 | \amethyst | Rune^: one that isn't available in non-free ? |
| 03:28.11 | Rune^ | \amethyst, yes, r1softs backup agent, if you know it |
| 03:28.32 | Scarra3 | I can use unetbootin with debian cd1 correct? |
| 03:28.50 | wols_ | Scarra3: no |
| 03:28.55 | wols_ | Scarra3: why would you want to? |
| 03:28.55 | Titan8990 | it doesn't work for many users |
| 03:29.03 | Rune^ | deals poorly with the missing symlinks, even though it might be required to for later kernel versions |
| 03:29.12 | wols_ | !tell Scarra3 about usb install |
| 03:29.38 | wols_ | !tell Scarra3 about eeepc |
| 03:29.39 | Scarra3 | Titan899- because I don't have any dvds so I was hoping that unetbootin would work |
| 03:30.37 | Scarra3 | what is your suggestion for a usb |
| 03:30.38 | \amethyst | Rune^: hm, and it doesn't let you specify the source and build directories separately? |
| 03:30.46 | Scarra3 | I can't use dd because im not in linux |
| 03:31.05 | wols_ | Scarra3: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download |
| 03:31.06 | Titan8990 | did we determine if cygwin worked? |
| 03:31.28 | Titan8990 | remembers now |
| 03:31.39 | Rune^ | \amethyst, unfortunately, no, it also does the actual building on an external buildserver.. was looking into if I could do that |
| 03:31.45 | Scarra3 | Thx titan |
| 03:31.50 | wols_ | yes you can use cygwin, but I think that ubuntu tool is preferable to it. you'd need to use NT devicenames with dd |
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| 03:33.25 | Scarra3 | And thank you wols_ you have helped me alot |
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| 03:34.21 | Scarra3 | Hey Titan8990 the program you suggested is only for .img files and the debian one is an iso |
| 03:34.56 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: what program is that? |
| 03:35.19 | Scarra3 | Win32 Disk Imager |
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| 03:35.34 | Scarra3 | I mean wols_ |
| 03:35.34 | Titan8990 | Scarra3: wols_ suggested that |
| 03:35.43 | Scarra3 | I just noticed lol sorry bout that |
| 03:37.12 | Scarra3 | So I cant use unetbootin and Win32 Disk Imager because im on windows and I don't have any dvd's any other suggestions |
| 03:37.50 | wols_ | Scarra3: you can use the disk imager |
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| 03:38.14 | Scarra3 | its only for .img files and the debian one is for .iso's |
| 03:38.53 | wols_ | when I rename a file.txt to file.shit, has it magically gotten brown and stinky? |
| 03:39.06 | Scarra3 | no |
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| 03:41.23 | Scarra3 | so it does not matter if I use the .iso even though it wont work |
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| 03:41.48 | coppercore | hi |
| 03:42.13 | coppercore | Unpacking replacement dpkg ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
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| 03:42.18 | coppercore | running lenny |
| 03:42.34 | coppercore | can't seem to get it to not unpack the updated dpkg, and google hasn't helped me either |
| 03:42.48 | Titan8990 | coppercore: pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg |
| 03:42.54 | coppercore | moment |
| 03:43.47 | coppercore | http://pastebin.com/japXr8WA |
| 03:44.17 | Titan8990 | coppercore: what package are you trying to install? |
| 03:44.20 | coppercore | gcc |
| 03:44.43 | coppercore | but, it did this after i attempted an upgrade |
| 03:44.48 | coppercore | before i tried gcc |
| 03:44.50 | Titan8990 | coppercore: pastebin the full output |
| 03:44.53 | coppercore | got the same error either way |
| 03:44.53 | coppercore | k |
| 03:44.57 | Titan8990 | coppercore: an upgrade to what? |
| 03:45.20 | Titan8990 | coppercore: just secruity upgrades? |
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| 03:45.27 | coppercore | yes |
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| 03:46.21 | coppercore | one sec |
| 03:47.11 | coppercore | http://pastebin.com/wm4aAeys |
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| 03:48.01 | Rajko | anyone know where courier config files are (i want to make it bind to one ip) |
| 03:48.36 | coppercore | Titan8990: any ideas? |
| 03:48.43 | wols_ | Rajko: all config files should be in /etc |
| 03:48.48 | \amethyst | coppercore: just to verify, what does md5sum /usr/bin/dpkg say? |
| 03:49.09 | coppercore | fb5d19d6478ee51f29a10c7bab0e96d8 /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 03:49.22 | \amethyst | coppercore: hm |
| 03:49.55 | \amethyst | coppercore: does dpkg --version say 1.14.28 or 1.14.29? |
| 03:50.48 | coppercore | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.55 | \amethyst | coppercore: that md5sum is wrong then |
| 03:51.05 | coppercore | how on earth did it get corrupted |
| 03:51.11 | coppercore | that's bizzare |
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| 03:51.37 | \amethyst | coppercore: assuming that is the only thing that is corrupted, you can fix it by manually extracting the .deb |
| 03:51.53 | coppercore | that's what i'm working on now |
| 03:52.39 | \amethyst | coppercore: I would check dmesg and (once you get a chance) run smartctl to make sure there are no disk problems |
| 03:52.52 | coppercore | that's the odd part, it's a Xen DomU |
| 03:52.53 | \amethyst | coppercore: maybe also memtest86 |
| 03:52.59 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:53.02 | coppercore | yeah, i'll let the box owner know |
| 03:53.56 | coppercore | thanks guys |
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| 03:54.50 | Titan8990 | coppercore: there is a package called debsums that can check your system. if you can't install it, it is a perl script so might be possible to extract and run |
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| 03:55.19 | Scarra3 | Ok I tryed Win32 Disk Imager and it didn't work |
| 03:55.46 | Scarra3 | and unetbootin wont work |
| 03:55.54 | Scarra3 | Any other suggestions |
| 03:56.06 | Titan8990 | !didn't work |
| 03:56.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 03:56.37 | Scarra3 | It didn't boot it went from the usb boot straight to windows |
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| 03:57.55 | wols_ | Scarra3: what did you exactly do? |
| 03:58.06 | wols_ | to create your bootable usb stick |
| 03:58.19 | Scarra3 | Yup and it didn't work |
| 03:58.29 | wols_ | again: what did you do? |
| 03:58.30 | Scarra3 | And I have no other idea how to do it |
| 03:59.07 | wols_ | Scarra3: did you read what dpkg told you about usb installation? |
| 03:59.32 | Scarra3 | used the tool Win32 Disk Imager tryed to boot and and it didn't boot it skipped the usb when I chose it and went straight to windows and no because that's for linux |
| 04:00.00 | wols_ | gives up. |
| 04:00.08 | \amethyst | wols_: you told him to write the ISO directly to the USB stick |
| 04:00.16 | Scarra3 | And I did |
| 04:00.22 | wols_ | no, I told him to use the imager instead of dd |
| 04:00.46 | Scarra3 | I did and it didn't work the tool only works for .img's and you told me to download a .iso |
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| 04:01.14 | wols_ | Scarra3: you didn't read the usb install guide. it doesn't tell you to dd or to image the iso, does it? |
| 04:02.48 | Scarra3 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100419.1/lucid-desktop-i386.iso you half to have linux for it |
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| 04:05.43 | \amethyst | problem is, the 'easy way' won't hold a full CD1, and the 'flexible way' requires a Linux system |
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| 04:06.40 | Scarra3 | So \amethyst any suggestions |
| 04:06.46 | Scarra3 | Because I feel at a loss |
| 04:06.51 | \amethyst | hm |
| 04:06.58 | \amethyst | wait, is syslinux available for Windows? |
| 04:07.09 | \amethyst | ah, yes it is |
| 04:07.43 | \amethyst | Scarra3: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
| 04:09.00 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 05:34.39 | bleepbloop | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.43 | bleepbloop | oops |
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| 06:39.48 | Bop | any help , the-dude ? |
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| 06:43.12 | the-dude | Bop: see /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:43.32 | Bop | should it be an udev rule ? |
| 06:43.53 | Bop | cause im seeing possible parameters to pass at boot , and none says nothin about kernel modules |
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| 06:46.52 | jelly-home | Bop: if it's really a module, just create a a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ and put your options in there |
| 06:47.34 | jelly-home | !tell Bop about modprobe |
| 06:47.46 | dserban | Ok, simple one i guess. I installed cron-apt to update/download package lists and packages. I recently found that /etc/cron.daily/apt (referring to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic) does the same thing. Will this be enough to remove cron-apt? |
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| 06:49.10 | xerophyt1 | i am trying 1.4.4 munin and i am getting when i run munin-cron Undefined subroutine &Munin::Master::Node::logger |
| 06:49.11 | Bop | !tell Bop about modprobe.d |
| 06:49.13 | jelly-home | dserban: which debian release are you using? |
| 06:49.15 | xerophyt1 | does anybody know why |
| 06:49.25 | dserban | jelly-home, squeeze |
| 06:49.29 | jelly-home | Bop: use /msg dpkg something, instead |
| 06:49.57 | Bop | no info about modprobe.d |
| 06:50.39 | jelly-home | dserban: which package does that /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic file belong to? |
| 06:50.51 | dserban | jelly-home, apt |
| 06:51.06 | dserban | it doesn't actually. |
| 06:51.35 | dserban | To be correct /etc/cron.daily/apt refers to it. The cron part file is from the apt package. |
| 06:51.51 | dserban | I have to create the file to use the features detailed in /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 06:51.54 | jelly-home | does it belong to any package? |
| 06:52.49 | dserban | jelly-home, to be specific, the file doesn't exist until one creates it. The header in /etc/cron.daily/apt tells you to create it with the following possible options... as the /etc/cron.daily/apt script references it. |
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| 06:53.16 | jelly-home | oh, all right then |
| 06:53.32 | dserban | jelly-home, I don't have it configured or working yet, which is why I was asking. |
| 06:53.59 | dserban | I just installed cron-apt and configured it, but this other method seems easier. I think I'll try it and see what it does for me. |
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| 06:54.12 | dserban | s/easier/cleaner/ |
| 06:54.13 | Bop | jelly-home, in modprobe.conf man it tells me about inserting parameters from command line , but will it work on boot time ? does kernel reads this file to know what parameters should use ? |
| 06:55.19 | jelly-home | Bop: it doesn't. modprobe reads it when loading modules. |
| 06:55.29 | Bop | ok then |
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| 06:56.34 | jelly-home | Bop: you might have to update-initramfs after making changes if your module gets loaded in initramfs. |
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| 06:59.08 | NoReflex | hello! can I find out the creation of a tcp connection? I tried netstat, ss? I have some connections that don't timeout and I can't find out why |
| 06:59.20 | NoReflex | *creation timestamp |
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| 07:01.45 | Bop | jelly-home,can i use any name for a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
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| 07:01.55 | Bop | the man does not say nothing about it |
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| 07:02.12 | jelly-home | Bop: yes. Make it end with a .conf, though. |
| 07:02.14 | Bop | i know its options p54common nohwcrpypto=1 |
| 07:02.26 | Bop | ok |
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| 07:03.38 | jelly-home | Bop: well, there are _some_ restrictions for file names, typically .d/ directories follow filename restrictions of run-parts(8). |
| 07:04.39 | jelly-home | so to be on the safe side, you might use only lowercase ascii letters and numbers |
| 07:04.40 | Bop | no need |
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| 07:04.52 | Bop | yeah , p54.conf will do |
| 07:05.15 | Bop | also, cause i see some options in some files , and they not end in .conf |
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| 07:06.27 | Bop | u sure ill need to update initramfs ? i wont compile another module , its the same module , just with a parameter ... as modprobe will check it dinamically on boot , no need to run it , i guess |
| 07:07.05 | jelly-home | Bop: _if_ it's loaded in initramfs, you'll want the options in there to be updated as well |
| 07:07.06 | Bop | jelly-home, ^ |
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| 07:07.45 | Bop | ok |
| 07:09.18 | Bop | ok , i guess its done |
| 07:09.21 | Bop | thanks jelly-home |
| 07:11.04 | Bop | reboot to test |
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| 07:22.37 | fturco | hello. i'm new to debian. does debian lenny installer support the ext4 filesystem? |
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| 07:23.31 | fsancho | hi all |
| 07:23.39 | fsancho | i need help deleting a very large directory |
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| 07:24.29 | fsancho | this directory has million of files. Actually, it has the maximum number of files in a ext4 system |
| 07:25.17 | fsancho | I can't delete it. I have tried with "rm -rf <directory>", but after a lot of hours the system goes unstable and i have to reboot it |
| 07:25.35 | fsancho | but the directory hasn't been deleted |
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| 07:26.02 | fsancho | is there a fast way to delete a very large directory? |
| 07:26.27 | NoReflex | fturco: AFAIK debian stable uses an older kernel which does not support ext4. you can add a kernel from backports after installing or go with the unstable version which supports ext4 |
| 07:27.14 | fturco | NoReflex, the real problem is with wi-fi. i have the binary firmware on an ext4 formatted usb flash drive and i need to load it with the installer |
| 07:27.29 | fturco | NoReflex, i'm not so sure if it was able to load it |
| 07:27.32 | jelly-home | fsancho: use find|xargs to delete files in chunks of hundreds. |
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| 07:28.41 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell fsancho about using find |
| 07:28.51 | fturco | but if i remember correclty ext4 can be mounted as ext3 with no problems |
| 07:29.04 | jelly-home | fturco: you remember incorrectly |
| 07:29.25 | jelly-home | (or what you read was incomplete/wrong) |
| 07:30.09 | NoReflex | fsancho: are you sure you hit the max num files mark for ext4? ... that's like 4 billion |
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| 07:31.21 | NoReflex | fturco: I believe it would be easier for you to format the usb drive as ext3 before running the installer |
| 07:31.36 | fturco | NoReflex, yeah, i'll try with that. thanks |
| 07:31.53 | NoReflex | fturco: yw |
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| 07:32.57 | fsancho | NoReflex: I think is the max num of files because i have seen a log error saying "No space left on device" when it actually has 175GB free in that partition. In other side, this is the ls output |
| 07:32.59 | fsancho | drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 871227392 2010-04-19 16:57 sessions.bak |
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| 07:33.51 | jelly-home | fsancho: you probably just exhausted the inodes... df -i on that partition would confirm that. |
| 07:34.44 | liable | yippee, new laptop ordered, with ssd drive |
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| 07:35.05 | fsancho | jelly-home: but i can create new files in other directories. In fact, i have renamed my sessions directory to sessions.bak and created a new sessions dir, and my system is working ok |
| 07:35.11 | jelly-home | fsancho: an alternative to waiting a couple hours for that "find|xargs rm" to finish could be to copy all the _other_ data off that filesystem, mkfs it and put it back. |
| 07:35.54 | fsancho | jelly-home: This is what i am trying to avoid |
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| 07:36.03 | NoReflex | fsancho: perhaps a fsck would help... |
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| 07:37.29 | jelly-home | fsancho: well then, let find and rm work and use inode count as a progress meter. |
| 07:38.04 | xerophyt1 | does naybody know why do i get th is error weith munin [ERROR] Munin::Master::UpdateWorker<monalerts.com;server.monalerts.com> died with 'Undefined subroutine &Munin::Master::Node::logger called at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Munin/Common/TLS.pm line 63, <GEN1> line 1. ...propagated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Munin/Common/Timeout.pm line 66, <GEN1> line 1. |
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| 07:42.33 | justin__ | hi, how to set up the filter list of proxy with authencation required? |
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| 07:45.36 | jelly-home | fsancho: I'd suggest using find without any selective arguments, to avoid the need to stat() each directory entry, basically just "find sessions.bak -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f " |
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| 07:46.07 | fsancho | jelly-home: you have just read my mind. |
| 07:46.10 | fsancho | :) |
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| 07:48.31 | JyZyXEL | does nice affect the disk i/o priorities? |
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| 07:49.03 | fsancho | jelly-home: I'm afraid that using find, even without arguments, will try to stat() every entry |
| 07:49.21 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: no, but there's ionice |
| 07:49.39 | fsancho | I have launched it but the i-node count keep growing. |
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| 07:52.07 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there is a tool that can manage nice's and ionices on more permanent basis |
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| 07:54.08 | jelly-home | fsancho: strace would prove you wrong wrt stat(). Now, if you tried to -type f, for example, that'd be something different. |
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| 07:56.44 | NoReflex | is it possible to find out the creation timestamp (datetime) of a tcp connection? I tried netstat, ss? I have some connections that don't timeout and I can't find out why |
| 07:57.15 | fsancho | jelly-home: ok, ok. I will let it run for some hours. I hope this one works. If not, i will have to code an ad-hoc tool |
| 07:57.34 | fsancho | jelly-home: thanks anyway. |
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| 08:20.40 | crazypenguin | i am new to use mutt, should i use getmail or fetchmail ? any advises? |
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| 08:21.16 | deufrai | Hi there. In a bash script, how could I list the names of currently up network interface without parsing what ifconfig displays ? |
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| 08:24.13 | Mo_Mo | i'm trying to remember what the name of this program was called -- it monitored network traffic in console but it has split screens one for incoming and for outgoing one half was green and the other blue ... and it was like a bar graph |
| 08:24.31 | SlayerXP | deufrai: parse /proc/net/dev instead ? |
| 08:24.55 | \amethyst | does /proc/net/dev tell you whether the interface is up? |
| 08:26.29 | deufrai | that I cannot tell |
| 08:26.36 | deufrai | thank you SlayerXP for the hint |
| 08:27.17 | deufrai | first attempt was to silently grep ifconfig output : if ! ifconfig | grep $IFACE &> /dev/null |
| 08:27.28 | deufrai | looking for something lighter, if it exists |
| 08:28.22 | mistrynitesh | which are the help bots on this channel? |
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| 08:29.39 | rvsjoen | dpkg and judd afaik |
| 08:29.39 | dpkg | rvsjoen, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 08:29.54 | xulf | after rsync compares all the files how does it get updated on changes AFTER it has compared file list/checksums? |
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| 08:32.42 | Parsifal | aptitude keeps wanting to "upgrade" to the trusted versions. |
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| 08:35.48 | tsccof | I can't believe it is quiet over here as well |
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| 08:44.29 | chaos-squirrel | deufrai: try "ifdata" |
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| 08:54.55 | d3x | nice |
| 08:55.09 | OpenTokix | plenty of space left =) |
| 08:55.36 | d3x | not that much used ;P |
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| 08:56.29 | ribasushi | after install/removing kernels on a lenny |
| 08:56.41 | ribasushi | update-grub doesn't seem to run automatically |
| 08:56.49 | ribasushi | there was something to fix that... where was it? |
| 08:59.14 | wols | ribasushi: /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 08:59.20 | deufrai | chaos-squirrel: doesn't help, I don't want to give hints to any command. ifdata needs an interface name as param |
| 08:59.49 | wols | OpenTokix: you know that extX reserves 5% space for root |
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| 09:00.11 | OpenTokix | wols: yes, was just some freak accident - it's ok again |
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| 09:00.40 | OpenTokix | wols: The disk in question fell out of a raid saturday. - So I am assuming it's not 100% healthy |
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| 09:04.02 | ribasushi | wols: hmmm but that implies I need to instal kernel-package too? |
| 09:04.13 | ribasushi | with all the dev toolchain... do not like |
| 09:04.45 | wols | huh? |
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| 09:05.38 | ribasushi | that's what contains the manpage of kernel-img.conf |
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| 09:07.03 | wols | feel free to do whatever you want. like writing your own kernel debconf scripts. goodbye |
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| 09:08.47 | ribasushi | wols: no point being a prick, this is a genuine question |
| 09:09.06 | ribasushi | nobody in his right mind would leave gcc and friends sit ona production server |
| 09:09.18 | ribasushi | ergo I am not installing kernel-package |
| 09:09.29 | ribasushi | however it seems that the update scripts are packaged with it |
| 09:09.39 | ribasushi | so I am simply asking if things are indeed braindead |
| 09:09.43 | ribasushi | or there is a saner solution |
| 09:10.18 | wols | ribasushi: you are not qualified to run a production server either |
| 09:10.31 | wols | so I guess it all balances out in the end |
| 09:10.44 | ribasushi | that observation is based on what exactly? :) |
| 09:10.55 | wols | on your continued questions in here |
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| 09:11.12 | wols | and the great comprehension you showed reading the manpage of kernel-img.conf |
| 09:11.49 | wols | question: do you have kernel-img.conf on your system? and do you have kernel-package and gcc on it? |
| 09:11.51 | ribasushi | wols: everything in kernel-img itself is marked deprecated, with a push for /etc/kernel/post* .d-style scripts |
| 09:12.09 | ribasushi | wols: no I do not have one, I am reading the manpage on a dev machine |
| 09:12.26 | ribasushi | wols: the point is that the update *script* is packaged with kernel-package |
| 09:12.38 | wols | which script? |
| 09:12.55 | ribasushi | /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/grub_conf |
| 09:12.56 | wols | the debconf? obviously it is. but it's also packaged in many other packages. you can guess which ones |
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| 09:13.24 | ribasushi | which is what I am supposed to drop in /etc (from what I can gather from the docs) |
| 09:13.36 | ribasushi | which is not the debian way of doing things, which is why I ask |
| 09:14.05 | wols | yea, it's a late sunday |
| 09:14.32 | wols | ribasushi: ps: I didn't ask about the manpage to kernel-img.conf. I asked about kernel-img.conf |
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| 09:15.23 | ribasushi | <ribasushi> wols: no I do not have one, I am reading the manpage on a dev machine |
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| 09:16.37 | ribasushi | wols: and in order to write one I went to read the manpage (what else would I do?) |
| 09:16.46 | dascar | how can i view the last user that changed a file ? ( users from a group are allowed to change files but they are not sudo users ) |
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| 09:17.14 | wols | ribasushi: what debian version do you run again? |
| 09:17.19 | ribasushi | dascar: you can't |
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| 09:17.25 | ribasushi | wols: lenny stable |
| 09:17.28 | wols | cause my lenny does have a kernel-img.conf |
| 09:17.55 | ribasushi | >.< |
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| 09:17.59 | ribasushi | what's in it? |
| 09:18.42 | ribasushi | wols: also what's the dpkg -S ? |
| 09:19.13 | dascar | what's the point of groups then ? if a small team of developers have to work on the same project on the same server but they can't change the owner of the file ( if all of them are sudo users then they don't need a group ) |
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| 09:20.02 | ribasushi | dascar: you give whichever permissions you want ing g+/- and who *owns* the file becomes irrelevant |
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| 09:20.25 | ribasushi | it may be owned by root for all you care, if you are part of the file group, and the group has +w - you can edit it |
| 09:20.41 | dascar | ok..but the point is to see who and when changed the file |
| 09:20.49 | simonrvn | ribasushi: ding! |
| 09:21.00 | ribasushi | simonrvn: hrm? |
| 09:21.09 | ribasushi | dascar: no that's not the point of unix permissions |
| 09:21.12 | simonrvn | nail. hit. head. |
| 09:21.23 | macrobat | dascar: maybe use a versioning system like git |
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| 09:22.11 | dascar | marcrobat : thanks |
| 09:23.00 | ribasushi | dascar: however keep in mind that git is designed as a source control manager, not a version control system (i.e. it is tailored for text files, not for general directory trees) |
| 09:23.11 | wols | hits simonrvn instead |
| 09:23.20 | ribasushi | dascar: you may have much better luck with fsvs |
| 09:23.20 | simonrvn | bah :P |
| 09:23.24 | dascar | ribasushi : i can use svn |
| 09:23.55 | dascar | ribasushi : but my problem is several people have access to upload the file on a server and i can't deploy directly from svn to the server |
| 09:24.28 | ribasushi | why not? |
| 09:24.41 | ribasushi | I do that for my prod-sites - deploy from a fsvs checkout |
| 09:24.49 | ribasushi | nobody has actual access to the www root |
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| 09:25.05 | simonrvn | ,info fsvs |
| 09:25.06 | judd | fsvs (admin, optional): Full system versioning with metadata support. Version: 1.1.16-1; Size: 142.7k; Installed: 276k; Homepage: http://fsvs.tigris.org/ |
| 09:25.38 | dascar | ribasushi : ok , then i need a change in organisation :) , do you work with php or .net ? |
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| 09:26.09 | ribasushi | dascar: how does that matter...? |
| 09:26.38 | dascar | ribasushi : i hoped you could give me some tips on best practice :) |
| 09:27.06 | ribasushi | errr that's just file management |
| 09:27.19 | ribasushi | my devs have a staging server |
| 09:27.25 | ribasushi | where they can dick around as much as they want |
| 09:27.31 | ribasushi | then they commit to a repo |
| 09:27.43 | ribasushi | then I run a checkout on a rc-stager |
| 09:27.45 | ribasushi | it looks fine |
| 09:27.50 | ribasushi | I deploy it to prod |
| 09:28.07 | dascar | ok, thanks a lot , i will digg for more info on this |
| 09:28.17 | simonrvn | 'dig' |
| 09:28.23 | dascar | ye |
| 09:28.30 | ribasushi | dascar: the nice thing about fsvs over svn or any other source versioner |
| 09:28.43 | ribasushi | is that it presrves ownership, mode, special files, you name it |
| 09:28.56 | simonrvn | git can with some addons |
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| 09:29.17 | ribasushi | simonrvn: it can, but then you need addons for empty-dire preservation, and addons for blob storage, and... |
| 09:29.21 | ribasushi | yeah - what's the point |
| 09:29.28 | simonrvn | but only such as own/group, perms |
| 09:29.38 | ribasushi | besides what he wants is anything but decentralized |
| 09:29.42 | ribasushi | he wants central control |
| 09:29.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:29.47 | dascar | what about svn ? do you have experience with that ? |
| 09:30.03 | ribasushi | dascar: fsvs is svn under the hood - all your svn tools will work |
| 09:30.10 | dascar | ok, perfect |
| 09:30.17 | ribasushi | dascar: it just records more metadata in svn:* properties |
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| 09:31.12 | ribasushi | wols: so any word on what your kernel-img.conf is? |
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| 09:38.22 | simple_ | Hey |
| 09:38.29 | simple_ | I'm moving a non-raid debian install into raid |
| 09:38.47 | simple_ | my kernel has mdadm installed as a module |
| 09:38.52 | simple_ | any ideas as to what to do? |
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| 09:39.43 | wols | make a backup and restore it |
| 09:39.52 | ikonia | simple_: software raid ? |
| 09:40.02 | simple_ | yes |
| 09:40.03 | simple_ | mdadm |
| 09:40.11 | ikonia | simple_: hang on - I wrote a ubuntu post on this ages ago |
| 09:40.13 | petern_ | your initrd needs to contain the right stuff. |
| 09:40.19 | petern_ | </vague> |
| 09:40.28 | ikonia | it should do by default |
| 09:40.32 | ikonia | simple_: just grabbing it |
| 09:40.37 | simonrvn | so do fighter pilots |
| 09:40.38 | simple_ | thanks mate :d |
| 09:40.45 | simple_ | petern_ its ok |
| 09:40.50 | simple_ | i can rewrite the bloody thing if i need to |
| 09:41.06 | ikonia | simple_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=454116&highlight=raid |
| 09:41.10 | ikonia | it's old - but still vvalid |
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| 09:42.07 | simple_ | cool :) |
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| 09:42.49 | edeca | I have just shifted a server to a net network. Updated /etc/resolv.conf, rebooted and all IP/domain info is fine. But aptitude/apt-get wont grab new packages from my internal mirror. I get the error: "Failed to fetch http://new-server-name/: could not resolve old-server-name" |
| 09:42.56 | simple_ | ikonia, i'm migrating / though |
| 09:42.58 | simple_ | and /boot to raids |
| 09:43.00 | edeca | I can ping new-server-name fine. So why is aptitude remembering the old one? |
| 09:43.05 | ikonia | simple_: that's fine, process is the same |
| 09:43.14 | ikonia | simple_: just do it with multiple partitions, rather than one |
| 09:43.15 | simple_ | will grub work it out? |
| 09:43.33 | ikonia | simple_: you'll have to modify your grub config a little - sorry, missted that, and change your /etc/fstab |
| 09:43.46 | ikonia | simple_: but just point them at the meta devices /dev/md0 for example |
| 09:43.48 | ikonia | its that simple |
| 09:43.53 | simple_ | ok |
| 09:43.54 | simple_ | cool |
| 09:43.54 | simple_ | :) |
| 09:43.59 | simple_ | so grub will automount raids? |
| 09:44.11 | chaos-squirrel | edeca: updated sources.list? |
| 09:44.12 | ikonia | simple_: grub is on the physical disk |
| 09:44.29 | ikonia | simple_: it doesn't care about the metadevice |
| 09:44.31 | ikonia | simple_: it boots from a physical disk |
| 09:44.32 | edeca | chaos-squirrel: Yes. Aptitude itself outputs "Failed to fetch http://new-server-name" with the right server name! |
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| 09:44.38 | simple_ | ikonia, hmmm |
| 09:44.40 | macrobat | ribasushi: i have sid and grub-legacy. i commented out the "postinst_hook = update-grub" (and postrm_hook) because update-grub used to fail |
| 09:44.43 | edeca | chaos-squirrel: But then complains it cannot resolve the old server |
| 09:44.47 | simple_ | ikonia, i don't get how that works |
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| 09:44.49 | ikonia | simple_: additional step is make sure you create an /etc/mdadm.conf post work, it's a good reference |
| 09:44.58 | ikonia | simple_: it works exactly the same as it is setup now |
| 09:44.58 | macrobat | in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:45.14 | chaos-squirrel | edeca: true, should have read your question properly... sorry |
| 09:45.14 | ikonia | simple_: grub is installed onto a physical disk boot sector, not a meta device, your bios isn't aware of meta devices so can't boot them |
| 09:45.25 | ribasushi | tries that |
| 09:45.28 | petern_ | make sure you install grub to both disks :) |
| 09:45.40 | simple_ | cool |
| 09:45.46 | simple_ | and i just set root=/dev/md0 |
| 09:45.51 | simple_ | the kernel wasn't compiled with raid |
| 09:45.54 | simple_ | hmmmm |
| 09:45.59 | edeca | chaos-squirrel: It's fine. I'm thoroughly confused! |
| 09:46.01 | simple_ | well, it was compiled with raid support |
| 09:46.02 | ikonia | simple_: thats the initrd |
| 09:46.24 | simple_ | soo i might need to play with initrd? |
| 09:46.30 | ribasushi | macrobat: duh, it didn't even occur to me to call the grub updater directly |
| 09:46.36 | ribasushi | -- # overthinking it |
| 09:46.38 | MrNaz_out | i have a debian system running with linux software raid1 set up across two drives with 3 partitions each plus a swap partition. all partitions, including swp are raid1 with the corresponding partition from each drive. sda has now failed, and i want to replace it. however, the machine does not boot with that drive removed. presumably the mbr of sda is required to boot. is this correct? |
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| 09:46.50 | ribasushi | debian-- # screwing up stuff that ought to just work |
| 09:46.53 | flourish | hello all, quick question about mysql . Does that any difference betweent SELECT and select? I mean does the case of command make sense? |
| 09:47.00 | ikonia | no |
| 09:47.11 | MrNaz_out | flourish in mysql sql keywords are not case sensitive |
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| 09:47.35 | ribasushi | flourish: SQL-keywords are in general not case sensitive, not just with mysql |
| 09:47.38 | flourish | they perform totally the same? no efficient matter? |
| 09:47.48 | MrNaz_out | flourish so SELECT * FROM table; is the same as select * from table; note that they are NOT the same as select * from Table; as object names ARE case sensitive |
| 09:48.04 | MrNaz_out | flourish they will perform exactly the same, there is no difference in efficiency |
| 09:48.10 | chaos-squirrel | edeca: is there still references to your old server in /etc/hosts? |
| 09:48.27 | themill | flourish: convention puts the SQL keywords in uppercase so they stand out better and let you see the structure of the entire query more easily. |
| 09:48.36 | ribasushi | flourish: the id case-sensitiveness is rdbms dependent, for mysql case of column/table names matters |
| 09:48.37 | flourish | thanks all. I feel strange that i insist use the uppercase for a long time:-) |
| 09:48.54 | ribasushi | flourish: it is a convention to use all upper case for sql ops |
| 09:49.06 | edeca | chaos-squirrel: No, only 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 |
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| 09:49.22 | ribasushi | edeca: you need to restart your bind |
| 09:49.28 | ribasushi | edeca: or whatever resolver you use |
| 09:49.30 | flourish | :-) |
| 09:49.36 | edeca | No. No I don't. I need to stop being an idiot :) |
| 09:49.42 | edeca | The old server was also the network proxy :) |
| 09:49.55 | edeca | Thank goodness for frep. /etc/apt/apt.conf was the problem |
| 09:49.59 | edeca | Blargh. |
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| 09:50.16 | lsd | lol frep |
| 09:51.17 | simonrvn | frep -- fancy grep |
| 09:51.37 | lsd | fap grep, for prons |
| 09:51.48 | edeca | Ooh, typo |
| 09:52.07 | lsd | edeca, i did apt-cache search frep, just to make sure :p |
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| 09:52.24 | edeca | It could have been so exciting! |
| 09:52.32 | lsd | exactly! |
| 09:52.38 | edeca | aptitude search moon-buggy is more fun, really |
| 09:53.13 | lsd | also, There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 09:53.50 | edeca | And it doesn't have Super Cow Powers |
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| 09:54.47 | simonrvn | btw, if you insist, it will tell you |
| 09:54.53 | simonrvn | </hint> |
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| 09:56.28 | simonrvn | wonders when people will discover it |
| 09:57.07 | Breaking_Pitt | hello i have created a debian repo |
| 09:57.20 | Breaking_Pitt | but when i try to install a package it changes the url |
| 09:57.23 | Breaking_Pitt | http://debian-packages.libresoft.es/./binary/bicho_0.3.1-1_all.deb |
| 09:57.47 | Breaking_Pitt | why put /./ in the url? |
| 09:58.04 | Breaking_Pitt | i have seen the sources and it's written correctly |
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| 10:00.33 | themill | "correctly" meaning what, I wonder |
| 10:00.58 | simple_ | hey ikonia I just tried it, it comes up with grub, but /dev/md0 doesn't seem to exist |
| 10:01.04 | Breaking_Pitt | i don't why it changes the url |
| 10:01.13 | wols | grub legacy cannot boot from raid |
| 10:01.20 | Breaking_Pitt | i have no ./ folder anywhere themill |
| 10:01.28 | lsd | All right, you win. |
| 10:01.42 | wols | what did I win? a pony? |
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| 10:02.49 | lxsameer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.19 | simonrvn | Breaking_Pitt: you have . "folders" everywhere |
| 10:04.45 | Breaking_Pitt | not in the url |
| 10:04.51 | Breaking_Pitt | simonrvn |
| 10:06.17 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: irc is hopeless at hypotheticals. It's your choice whether you want to show the people helping you here the actual sources.list line or not, but you can't expect us to guess what it is. |
| 10:06.31 | Breaking_Pitt | ok |
| 10:06.34 | Breaking_Pitt | one moment please |
| 10:07.57 | jelly | lxsameer: you may shrink it and create a new partition in the freed space |
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| 10:08.30 | lxsameer | jelly: will my data lose in shrink action |
| 10:08.32 | lxsameer | ? |
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| 10:08.41 | Breaking_Pitt | http://paste.debian.net/69852/ |
| 10:08.57 | Breaking_Pitt | is my sources.list for my repo |
| 10:10.07 | jelly | lxsameer: it's not supposed to. Nevertheless, I'd strongly advise making a backup. |
| 10:10.18 | lxsameer | jelly: thanks |
| 10:10.38 | lxsameer | can i create a lvm partition from an exists partition |
| 10:10.40 | lxsameer | ? |
| 10:11.32 | simonrvn | uh, why is it sending 403s? is that intentional? |
| 10:11.52 | Breaking_Pitt | 403? |
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| 10:12.16 | simonrvn | w3m http://is.gd/bAskJ --> 403 error |
| 10:12.31 | simonrvn | oh ffs, stop shortening you dumb script |
| 10:12.47 | simonrvn | w3m http://debian-packages.libresoft.es/ --> 403 error |
| 10:13.03 | Breaking_Pitt | i have no 403 errors |
| 10:13.04 | jelly | wtf is libresoft.es. |
| 10:13.17 | Breaking_Pitt | i only have 404 |
| 10:13.39 | simonrvn | "You don't have permission to access / on this server." |
| 10:13.48 | Breaking_Pitt | let me see |
| 10:13.51 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 10:15.46 | jelly | there is no Release |
| 10:17.14 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: look at the contents of your Packages file, and things will become clearer. |
| 10:17.27 | Breaking_Pitt | ok |
| 10:17.31 | Breaking_Pitt | thanks jelly |
| 10:17.38 | jelly | Specifically, lines like Filename: ./binary/bicho_0.3.1-1_all.deb |
| 10:18.15 | simonrvn | wonders how jelly is seeing this... |
| 10:18.43 | jelly | simonrvn: wget -O- http://debian-packages.libresoft.es/repo/Packages.gz | zcat | less ? |
| 10:19.00 | jelly | there's a nongzipped Packages too. |
| 10:20.25 | jelly | lxsameer: no, not easily. |
| 10:20.28 | d3x | jelly, zcat|less -> zless |
| 10:20.38 | jelly | d3x: try it, smartass. |
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| 10:21.36 | d3x | it usually works... |
| 10:21.52 | d3x | there's got to be something f* with Packages.gz :P |
| 10:22.08 | simonrvn | no it doesn't always work |
| 10:22.10 | jelly | d3x: please only provide support for things you have a clue about. |
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| 10:22.29 | jelly | misdirection can be more harmful than not saying anything |
| 10:22.39 | Breaking_Pitt | someone know where there is a great tutorial for doing a repo |
| 10:22.50 | Breaking_Pitt | seems that the one that i have followed is not good |
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| 10:23.38 | simonrvn | i use reprepro + my already present knowledge of what should be there... |
| 10:23.46 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: you probably want your sources.list line to look like "deb http://debian-packages.libresoft.es/repo/ ./" |
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| 10:24.20 | simonrvn | d3x: it's ok to say "i don't know" |
| 10:25.09 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: that ought to make it work with a simple repo created with "dpkg-scanpackage ./ [...]" |
| 10:25.11 | simple_ | hey ikonia tis borken |
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| 10:25.44 | Breaking_Pitt | i think that that i have use dpkg-scanpackage |
| 10:26.25 | Breaking_Pitt | to create the repo |
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| 10:26.30 | Breaking_Pitt | not reprepo |
| 10:26.57 | lxsameer | is there any linux certification relate to debian ? |
| 10:27.50 | Breaking_Pitt | jelly, this "deb http://debian-packages.libresoft.es/repo/ ./" doesn't work |
| 10:28.38 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: does it not work in different way? |
| 10:28.43 | Breaking_Pitt | nopte |
| 10:29.04 | Breaking_Pitt | i have made an apt-get update |
| 10:29.10 | Breaking_Pitt | and get the same error |
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| 10:30.01 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: works for me. |
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| 10:30.14 | jelly | Get:2 http://debian-packages.libresoft.es ./ bicho 0.3.1-1 [82,6kB] |
| 10:30.14 | jelly | Fetched 158kB in 2s (62,2kB/s) |
| 10:30.14 | jelly | Download complete and in download only mode |
| 10:30.25 | Breaking_Pitt | let me see agai |
| 10:30.27 | Breaking_Pitt | n |
| 10:30.35 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: forgot to do an update? |
| 10:30.38 | Breaking_Pitt | sorry i delete /repo |
| 10:30.43 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:31.04 | MrNaz_out | i have a debian system running with linux software raid1 set up across two drives with 3 partitions each plus a swap partition. all partitions, including swp are raid1 with the corresponding partition from each drive. sda has now failed, and i want to replace it. however, the machine does not boot with that drive removed. presumably the mbr of sda is required to boot. is this correct? |
| 10:31.23 | Breaking_Pitt | jelly I'm using lenny |
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| 10:32.30 | jelly | Breaking_Pitt: your file versions are rather suspicious |
| 10:32.41 | Breaking_Pitt | it's a testing repo |
| 10:32.46 | Breaking_Pitt | i didn't make the packages |
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| 10:33.04 | Breaking_Pitt | so my goal is debianizing the packages correctly |
| 10:33.20 | Breaking_Pitt | any advice that you could give me could be great jelly |
| 10:34.04 | simonrvn | they're already debianized, you're trying to set up the repo, which you seem to have accomplished if jelly can fetch a deb via aptitude |
| 10:34.50 | jelly | -> lunch, see you later |
| 10:35.09 | Breaking_Pitt | and so what happend with the file versions? |
| 10:35.52 | simonrvn | laterz jelly - enjoy |
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| 10:38.32 | Breaking_Pitt | ok |
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| 10:40.28 | emdete | hi. i i login via ssh and i am forced to update my pwd because of pwd aging which package is to blame for that mecanism? pam? |
| 10:40.43 | emdete | ..if i.. |
| 10:41.56 | simple_ | any reason why a kenrel would be sitting on "Loading please wait" |
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| 10:44.55 | RichiH | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/slimline-debian-install-its-easier-you-might-think -- me is amused |
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| 10:47.21 | petern_ | slimline debian == debian ... |
| 10:47.27 | petern_ | shock :) |
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| 10:48.03 | wols | RichiH: dunno if I'm amused. now we will have tons of people coming who installed debian on their old P2 with less than 128MB ram :) |
| 10:48.09 | tuv | which package installs a minimal x system? (will be using openbox) |
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| 10:49.24 | wols | tuv: xorg |
| 10:50.01 | RichiH | wols: there is that |
| 10:50.25 | RichiH | but that fact that this guy takes a netinstall cd, does not install a deskop and calls this installation slimline tells _a lot_ |
| 10:50.48 | RichiH | about him, about what people perceive as slimline and about how fast the "old" computers are |
| 10:51.05 | tuv | wols: thanks |
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| 10:51.41 | RichiH | mainly about him, i guess |
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| 10:53.27 | wols | no. his "insight" is pretty much mainstream |
| 10:53.54 | wols | heck, when phones now have 1GHz CPUs (ARM, but still) with 256MB or more RAM, what do you expect? |
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| 10:54.28 | RichiH | more than 256 MiB _RAM_ is still the exception, if even available |
| 10:54.32 | RichiH | but i know what you mean :) |
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| 10:54.55 | tuv | wols: how come none of the desktop environments (e.g. gnome, xfce) depends on it? |
| 10:55.03 | wols | the current smartphones have 256MB RAM. 1GHz CPUs is more of an exception (600-800 usually) |
| 10:55.07 | RichiH | personally, i am waiting an e-paper display, omap4-based laptop with a few days battery runtime :) |
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| 10:55.25 | RichiH | wols: note that i limited my statement to _more_ than 256 :) |
| 10:55.36 | wols | tuv: cause X is network transparent. you can run the X server on a X terminal at some other place while gnome/xfce runs on your debian box |
| 10:55.52 | RichiH | and yes, both current snapdragon & omap3 fall into the 600-800 bracket |
| 10:55.56 | wols | RichiH: not how I said "256MB or more" :) |
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| 10:56.16 | wols | IIRC there are already 1GHz cpus. maybe only on announced phones |
| 10:56.18 | RichiH | wols: aye, i know. i only answered the "or more" part :) |
| 10:56.47 | et | the nexus one/htc desire has a 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram |
| 10:56.57 | RichiH | at least not from TI. omap4 will have an initial max of, i think, 800 MHz, but two cores |
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| 10:57.04 | RichiH | one of which, it can power off completely |
| 10:57.07 | RichiH | *drool* |
| 10:57.18 | wols | a9 cpus now? wow |
| 10:57.31 | RichiH | omap4 is based on a9, yes |
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| 10:58.06 | RichiH | you can't get anything with that chip yet, unless you get their reference hardware thing |
| 10:58.26 | wols | well, it was only a matter of time for A9 based phones |
| 10:58.36 | wols | I'm sure qualcomm, samsung, etc work on the same thing |
| 10:59.20 | wols | and intel still wants to sell atom based smartphones? the stuff they're smoking must be strong |
| 11:00.02 | RichiH | well, arm _sucks_ at context switches, which is a con for multi-tasking |
| 11:00.15 | wols | when you look at the roadmap of intel and the available atom intrinsics, arm based netbooks are a real possibility :) |
| 11:00.37 | RichiH | possibility? |
| 11:00.48 | RichiH | http://alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm |
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| 11:00.58 | RichiH | and a dozen chinese direct imports |
| 11:01.03 | wols | well, I don't hope for anything more. how long have we been promised arm based netbooks? what is available in netbook form? |
| 11:01.25 | RichiH | more than enough |
| 11:01.31 | RichiH | you just have to look |
| 11:01.40 | wols | sorry, those don't count. call me when asus/dell/HP/samsung/lenovo promote it as much as they promote their atom based stuff |
| 11:02.02 | RichiH | *shrug* |
| 11:02.05 | wols | especially not the touchbook |
| 11:02.20 | wols | consumers don't look. there is no mass market without mass marketing |
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| 11:02.45 | RichiH | i don't care about mass market; i need my stuff to work for _me_ |
| 11:02.56 | smhar | greetings |
| 11:03.17 | RichiH | i will be the first in line to get a beagleboard 2.0 with omap4 -- even though the beagleboard will never ever be mainstream |
| 11:03.48 | wols | RichiH: stuff that gets mainstream drops in price. look at the cost of the touchbook. it'd be nice hardware. at half the cost |
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| 11:04.13 | wols | you can buy a nice 1001P eeepc for 250$ |
| 11:04.25 | RichiH | wols: there is that, but if it _really_ fits my needs, i am willing to pay extra |
| 11:04.39 | smhar | I am using wvdial with a hauwei usb device, after getting the conf file setup, it is working nicely now. the problem is it disconnects many times. although the default is to automatically reconnect it does not do it most of the times. what can I do? |
| 11:05.08 | wols | RichiH: as for beagleboard, why not guruplug. single core only tho |
| 11:05.26 | RichiH | smhar: i never saw wvdial not reconnect. i.e. no idea what might be causing this for you, sorry |
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| 11:05.38 | RichiH | smhar: unless wvdial thinks you are on-line |
| 11:05.47 | wols | ok, no video |
| 11:05.56 | RichiH | wols: i want to attach a 2 TiB hdd |
| 11:06.01 | wols | smhar: ppp? |
| 11:06.11 | xulf | im tar'ing a lot of images but its slow.. 4 gigabytes per hour (no compression) is there a faster way ? |
| 11:06.15 | wols | RichiH: guruplug has esata support |
| 11:06.17 | RichiH | i have a shedload of CDs and DVDs that i digitized |
| 11:06.36 | d3x | RichiH, where do you get 2TiB hdd? |
| 11:06.37 | RichiH | wols: esata is not cat proof |
| 11:06.41 | wols | xulf: get a faster harddisk. without compression it's all I/O bound |
| 11:06.44 | RichiH | d3x: the store? |
| 11:06.48 | wols | RichiH: hehe |
| 11:06.49 | d3x | only 2TB here :( |
| 11:07.12 | RichiH | d3x: oh, true |
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| 11:07.24 | smhar | RichiH, wols: conf file: http://paste.debian.net/69859/ |
| 11:07.29 | RichiH | yah, that was pretty stupid of me, wasn't it? :) |
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| 11:07.44 | d3x | RichiH, quite :) |
| 11:07.55 | smhar | wols, not sure what you mean. I just do a wvdial -C conf_file |
| 11:08.03 | wols | RichiH: http://www.harps.hu/termekek/autos_nyestriaszto_en.htm |
| 11:08.12 | wols | smhar: are you using pppoe? |
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| 11:08.27 | wols | if you are connected, is a pppd running? |
| 11:09.17 | wols | RichiH: what do you do to prevent bites in power cables? |
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| 11:09.40 | smhar | wols, yes, using interface ppp0 |
| 11:10.20 | RichiH | wols: they don't bite, they play |
| 11:10.39 | wols | smhar: usually this is a pppd problem. for some reason, it won't reconnect. some versions of debian it worked, some it does not. very old problem. I used a cronscript that checked for a running pppd every few minutes and restarted it if needed |
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| 11:11.03 | wols | "they"? has impressions of RichiH being a cat lady now |
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| 11:11.24 | smhar | wols, I am using an up-to-date squeeze system |
| 11:12.21 | wols | smhar: check your syslog for pppd messages. it probably exits and you're offline. for one possible remedy, see above |
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| 11:17.03 | Mowee | Hi o/ |
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| 11:23.02 | Traveler0 | anyone using latest squeeze? i can't get elantech touchpad to work properly |
| 11:23.21 | simple_ | Hey, any reason why debian installer wouldn't detect multiple raid devices? |
| 11:23.33 | smhar | wols, this is a 'less /var/log/syslog | grep ppp' output : http://paste.debian.net/69863/ |
| 11:23.54 | Traveler0 | also having trouble when connecting usb mouse: |
| 11:24.51 | Traveler0 | > hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
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| 11:25.47 | Traveler0 | > usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
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| 11:26.38 | Traveler0 | > usb 3-2: device not accepting address «number», error -71 |
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| 11:28.14 | Traveler0 | where «number» ranges from 4 to 5 |
| 11:28.22 | Traveler0 | or 11, 12 |
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| 11:29.33 | Traveler0 | anyone using elantech touchpad/asus eeepc in squeeze? |
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| 11:30.26 | wols | !eeepc |
| 11:30.27 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:31.00 | Traveler0 | will try |
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| 11:31.48 | abrotman | simple_: not real raid ? |
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| 11:38.24 | Traveler0 | where can i get a list of the latest package updates in testing? |
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| 11:38.49 | flo` | hi |
| 11:38.57 | flo` | how does debians initrd work? |
| 11:39.06 | flo` | how does it switch to the mounted root fs? |
| 11:39.16 | flo` | i can't find a switch_root command in there... |
| 11:39.37 | themill | pivot_root |
| 11:39.55 | pegasus-rider | There's something wrong with d-i... I told it to install GRUB2, was warned about its status, ... and finally all I've got installed is old good GRUB legacy |
| 11:39.59 | flo` | themill, i also can't find a pivot_root command |
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| 11:43.20 | dutchfish | pegasus-rider: thats correct |
| 11:43.48 | dutchfish | pegasus-rider: its installed already but the conversion to grub2 is manual |
| 11:43.52 | pegasus-rider | I don't know if it's fair :-) |
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| 11:44.06 | smhar | wols, RichiH, could not understand a reason for not reconnecting from the log: http://paste.debian.net/69863/ |
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| 11:44.19 | jnss | hey a quickie |
| 11:44.24 | comsa | dus lenny installer have option to resize partion |
| 11:44.24 | jnss | is deb defaulting with selinux? |
| 11:44.28 | pegasus-rider | Anyway, that old good thing won't boot et al, while GRUB2 gives me a prompt at least |
| 11:44.39 | jnss | lenny is a horrible name fo r adistro |
| 11:44.43 | jnss | amnesiac is better |
| 11:44.54 | jnss | like the netbsd release |
| 11:45.07 | comsa | :) ? |
| 11:45.10 | dutchfish | pegasus-rider: imagine there was a hickup? grub2 conversion gives you the option to check the before convert, read the docs |
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| 11:47.02 | abrotman | jnss: i believe the base part is installed, but not enabled |
| 11:47.04 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 11:47.04 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | probably see the wiki page first |
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| 11:49.12 | jnss | does selinux make a difference? |
| 11:49.33 | abrotman | in what? |
| 11:49.46 | rvsjoen | selinux makes me cry |
| 11:49.53 | jnss | does it make lenny stronger ;O) |
| 11:50.07 | pegasus-rider | Don't you think that rescue mode is a little bit talky? Can't it retrieve host name et al from interfaces(5)? |
| 11:50.15 | pegasus-rider | Err.. |
| 11:50.30 | rvsjoen | ,, |
| 11:50.36 | abrotman | jnss: the idea is to help secure the system in various ways .. there's still a human element to software and implementation ... |
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| 11:51.47 | flo` | how can i customize my initrd? |
| 11:51.56 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 11:52.13 | flo` | i'd like to set it up so that it boots from a unionfs, consisting of a ro-harddisk and a rw-tmpfs |
| 11:52.37 | dutchfish | pegasus-rider: look carefully at /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 11:52.57 | jnss | Its architecture strives to streamline the volume of software charged with security policy enforcement, which is closely aligned with the Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria (TCSEC, referred to as Orange Book) requirement for trusted computing base ( |
| 11:53.15 | jnss | doesn't sound good to me |
| 11:53.27 | abrotman | jnss: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 11:53.52 | jnss | not much |
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| 11:54.32 | abrotman | jnss: so you're just here to cause problems? |
| 11:54.32 | bolt | i have a script that's supposed to run on a bunch of different servers. all of them should scp a logfile to a special server once they're done with an operation. is there a way to put a host key into known hosts from the scirpt if it doesn't exist, so i don't have to manually add it to each server this should run on? |
| 11:55.00 | jnss | not intentionally |
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| 11:55.20 | shylent | that's not much of an excuse, you know :P |
| 11:55.30 | abrotman | jnss: then you'll have to be more descriptive about what you're looking for .. |
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| 11:57.14 | flo` | can i customize my initrd by changing /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts ? |
| 11:57.43 | flo` | again: can i customize my initrd by changing /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts ? |
| 11:57.53 | flo` | or do i still need to change some more files? |
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| 12:01.06 | pegasus-rider | Are there backports of GRUB 1.98 for Lenny? |
| 12:01.17 | abrotman | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 12:01.20 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98-1; squeeze: 1.98-1 |
| 12:01.25 | abrotman | just 1.97 |
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| 12:01.36 | abrotman | though it is beta3 |
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| 12:03.47 | wols | aguitel: no. /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 12:16.16 | bolt | what's the neatest way to put a host key into known hosts from a script if it isn't there? |
| 12:16.53 | rindolf | bolt: a script in which language? |
| 12:17.00 | bolt | bash |
| 12:17.03 | rindolf | bolt: ah. |
| 12:17.27 | bolt | just wondered if there was something in the ssh package or whatever |
| 12:17.29 | rindolf | bolt: do you want to put it in /etc/hosts or in the DNS? |
| 12:17.43 | rindolf | bolt: what does it have to do with ssh? |
| 12:17.44 | bolt | .ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:18.12 | rindolf | bolt: ah, I see. |
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| 12:18.33 | rindolf | bolt: there may be some APIs (probably not for Bash) that can parse it. |
| 12:18.51 | rindolf | bolt: or isn't it just one-line-per-host? |
| 12:19.18 | bolt | it it. i could just grep for it and append if i don't find it. just wondered if there was some packaged tool that would be the preferred way |
| 12:19.23 | bolt | it is* |
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| 12:20.43 | rindolf | bolt: isn't there something called libssh2? |
| 12:20.51 | rindolf | Or libopenssh? |
| 12:21.35 | KukMan | hi. I have alternative repo for php, and I want use php from it. This is apt-get show php5: http://pastebin.ca/1869506 |
| 12:21.55 | KukMan | I want pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4.fpm.4_all.deb but pool/updates/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8_all.deb installed |
| 12:22.52 | bolt | !pinning |
| 12:22.52 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:23.16 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 12:23.17 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 12:23.32 | wols | KukMan: lenny4 is insecure. why do you want it? |
| 12:24.25 | KukMan | wols, it is with php-fpm patch in alternative repo |
| 12:27.33 | dutchfish | KukMan: http://groups.google.com/group/highload-php-en/msg/29a9a35bca58da55 |
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| 12:28.22 | KukMan | dutchfish, that's good, but i need working version of php now |
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| 12:28.38 | KukMan | http://pastebin.ca/1869515 - its my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 12:28.42 | KukMan | what is wrong? |
| 12:29.19 | bolt | KukMan: not sure it supports wildcards |
| 12:30.09 | dutchfish | wols: estimation: 3.70 to 3.89 (Mostly high marks) |
| 12:30.09 | bolt | KukMan: there's also apt-cache policy <package>. might be useful while you're tinkering with the prefs |
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| 12:34.03 | waka | anyone running squeeze on a MBP |
| 12:35.05 | abrotman | MBP ? |
| 12:35.27 | waka | Macbook Pro |
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| 12:36.15 | wols | waka: ask your real question |
| 12:36.43 | wols | and the only difference is the EFI bootloader |
| 12:38.08 | waka | is there much difference betwwen using a vm or run debian on the mac hardware? |
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| 12:40.32 | wols | the same difference as always when running under VM instead of real hardware |
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| 12:41.14 | raz | man this is getting annoying. is there any way to play wma audio files on a debian box? |
| 12:41.23 | raz | 64bit box that is |
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| 12:41.32 | raz | i followed like 3 different, outdated tutorials.. but no dice |
| 12:41.48 | raz | now it seems like my best best is to compile a 32bit mplayer in a chroot. but that looks like serious work. |
| 12:41.56 | raz | am i the only one wanting to play wma? |
| 12:42.01 | waka | wols, just that someone tells me that i might over-volt the cpu by running non-mac os |
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| 12:44.22 | wols | waka: whoever this is, is a moron |
| 12:44.34 | wols | !tell raz about dmm |
| 12:44.44 | raz | yes, been there |
| 12:44.48 | raz | does not provide wma support |
| 12:44.57 | waka | wols, I thought id see what #apple says |
| 12:45.26 | waka | and that is a response I got but they wunt prove to me why that is so |
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| 12:47.19 | bolt | waka: ignore it |
| 12:48.58 | waka | bolt: point taken. I will proceed with install |
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| 12:50.23 | Bop | what package do i need to install in order to have svn ? |
| 12:50.29 | tbsaunde | hey, can anyone think of a easy way to get a list of all packages manually installed and reinstall them and there dependancies? |
| 12:50.34 | waka | bolt, I got this response waka: There's not a lot of info to be had, because the chip at the heart of this insanity is an Apple custom job, and they flatly refuse to tell anyone its specs. What makes it worse is that the "BIOS" module Apple add to their EFI *lies*. http://gromit.dlf.org.au/pipermail/dlf-news/2009-October/005606.html <- a technician's theory on the matter. |
| 12:50.35 | waka | <|Avi|> waka: he is the only source of this info on the whole of planet earth somehow |
| 12:51.03 | bolt | !tell tbsaunde about reinstall |
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| 12:52.49 | tbsaunde | bolt: thanks! |
| 12:53.40 | bolt | waka: as far as i know, they are perfectly fine with people installing windows on their macs. i would therefore assume ubuntu, as the article you linked discusses, would be perfectly fine too. i'm pretty sure apple has not given microsoft some special, secret instructions on what to do with their hardware |
| 12:54.05 | Bop | what package is svn binary ? |
| 12:54.32 | Titan8990 | Bop: subversion |
| 12:54.36 | Titan8990 | !tell Bop about apt-file |
| 12:54.45 | waka | bolt, yeah am thinking so too |
| 12:54.55 | xperia | hello to all. i have installed dancer-ircd on my mashine based on a howto that i found on the net and it works great. just have two question about configuring dancer-ircd a little better. first everytime i connect to my ircd demon now it tell me that it can not find the motd file but in the settings .conf file the paths are right and the file exist. |
| 12:54.56 | xperia | DccMotdFile "/etc/dancer-services/motd.dcc" |
| 12:54.58 | xperia | MotdFile "/etc/dancer-services/motd.global" |
| 12:54.59 | xperia | what could be wrong ? |
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| 12:56.30 | bolt | xperia: it works the second time? |
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| 12:59.11 | xperia | bolt: every time i connect to my ircd server i get the error message |
| 12:59.13 | xperia | "MOTD File is missing" as the last line of the server output window. This error message other people get too. |
| 12:59.15 | xperia | the ircd server works great since days and i can chat with people all over the world how connect to my server just this error message i getallways and dont know how to solve it |
| 12:59.16 | xperia | it must be some other MOTD file that is missing |
| 13:00.23 | xperia | if you want to have the url link to check it itself i could post it to you |
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| 13:00.46 | bolt | not much to see from connecting to the server. are you sure the permissions on those files make sense? |
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| 13:01.11 | bolt | and that the server is using the config file in which you specified their location? |
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| 13:01.52 | xperia | bolt: hmmm good catch |
| 13:01.54 | xperia | -rw-r--r-- 1 services root 42 2008-05-03 21:41 motd.dcc |
| 13:01.55 | xperia | -rw-r--r-- 1 services root 311 2008-05-03 21:41 motd.global |
| 13:02.20 | xperia | i dont beleve that services is a user that i have on my server |
| 13:02.32 | bolt | they are world readable anyway |
| 13:02.48 | eryn_1983 | hey peeps is there anything special i gotta do to debian lenny to get Vbox usb support? |
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| 13:03.23 | bolt | eryn_1983: probably a kernel module. dunno though. read the docs? |
| 13:03.28 | eryn_1983 | i did |
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| 13:03.31 | eryn_1983 | still not working |
| 13:03.36 | bolt | eryn_1983: i know vmware requires one |
| 13:03.46 | eryn_1983 | i did the seminole dance and stood on my toes like a ballarina, no dice.. |
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| 13:05.01 | eryn_1983 | not even a smirk or a giggle seesh touch croud |
| 13:07.03 | waka | thanks bolt |
| 13:07.18 | Traveler0 | does the xorg version in squeeze support InputClass in xorg.conf? I can't get it to work and x11_options in udev has been phased out(?) |
| 13:07.21 | rindolf | eryn_1983: :-) |
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| 13:07.40 | eryn_1983 | there we go :) |
| 13:08.00 | rindolf | eryn_1983: I think the USB support of VBox is only in the commercial and proprietary version. |
| 13:08.14 | rindolf | eryn_1983: meaning you need to pay to get it. |
| 13:09.13 | Titan8990 | proprietary virtualbox is still free as far as money goes |
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| 13:13.03 | d3x | rindolf, vbox doesn't cost a penny |
| 13:13.22 | rindolf | d3x: well, the FOSS version doesn't. |
| 13:13.30 | rindolf | d3x: but Sun used to sell a commercial version. |
| 13:13.39 | d3x | no |
| 13:13.57 | d3x | there are foss and freeware versions |
| 13:14.00 | rindolf | Titan8990: ah, I see. |
| 13:14.02 | rindolf | d3x: OK. |
| 13:14.27 | xperia | bolt: where is normally the motd file for dancer-ircd located and which rights should it have normally ? |
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| 13:17.02 | bolt | xperia: i wouldn't know. never used it |
| 13:17.15 | xperia | okay |
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| 13:18.49 | bzrk | hi, does anyone debuild savvy have an idea why my --prefix to ./configure does not make it into the final .deb package? it is shown on the configure run and in debian/rules but the package installs to the standard /usr dir :( |
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| 13:21.11 | Titan8990 | bzrk: /usr is the prefix typically used... and you running anything like dh_auto_build that would ignore your prefix? |
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| 13:24.48 | Traveler0 | does the xorg version in squeeze support InputClass in xorg.conf? |
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| 13:27.54 | bzrk | Titan8990: no i dont run autobuild...just found out that leaving out every ./configure option except the desired prefix works fine |
| 13:28.07 | bzrk | so its some part of the option string |
| 13:28.13 | bzrk | problem is i need all the options |
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| 13:33.38 | Sarago | what type of font is required for use as terminal fonts? |
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| 13:38.16 | sbrothy | You can use xfontsel to select one. |
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| 13:38.33 | sbrothy | Dunno about specific requirements tho |
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| 13:40.18 | Sarago | I installed a ttf font and I obconf can see it, but xlsfonts can't |
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| 13:41.20 | nkuttler | Sarago: did you restart x or rehash the font path? |
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| 13:41.33 | Sarago | yes, I ran fc-cache -fv |
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| 13:41.48 | Sarago | like I said, obconf can see it |
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| 13:43.11 | Wes__ | Is there a good way to detect when I'm on dash, other than generating an error and parsing stderr? |
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| 13:43.47 | Titan8990 | Wes__: check the $SHELL env variable |
| 13:44.13 | themill | !wayttd Wes__ |
| 13:44.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Wes__? |
| 13:44.16 | Wes__ | Titan8990: That was my immediate thought, but dash doesn't appear to set it (is there a switch to make it set it?) |
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| 13:44.39 | Wes__ | dpkg: Trying to port a script to ubuntu that relies on 'typeset' |
| 13:44.39 | dpkg | Wes__: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | Wes__: so ask #ubuntu |
| 13:45.00 | themill | Wes__: change #!/bin/sh to use #!/bin/bash. /msg dpkg bashism |
| 13:45.05 | Wes__ | abrotman: The 'd' in dash stands for debian, doesn't it? |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | no |
| 13:45.19 | abrotman | judd: info dash |
| 13:45.21 | Wes__ | themill: But then it won't work on solaris (where there is no bash by default) |
| 13:45.22 | judd | dash (shells, optional): POSIX-compliant shell. Version: 0.5.4-12; Size: 90.8k; Installed: 172k; Homepage: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/ |
| 13:45.34 | wols | Wes__: d in dpkg does, but we still don't support ubuntu dpkg |
| 13:45.50 | Wes__ | wols: If I installed debian, would you help? |
| 13:45.50 | Titan8990 | Wes__: /bin/sh should always accept POSIX standards. If you want to use BASH features, use /bin/bash as themill said |
| 13:45.55 | abrotman | still not a #debian question |
| 13:46.17 | Wes__ | abrotman: Okay, do you know of a channel with dash-savvy users? |
| 13:46.21 | themill | Wes__: your only option is not to write bashisms at all then and use #!/bin/sh. You might like to see if #bash wants to help |
| 13:46.26 | Wes__ | Titan8990: Except this isn't a bash feature |
| 13:46.41 | Titan8990 | Wes__: its aparently not a POSIX feature |
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| 13:46.56 | Wes__ | Titan8990: It's not, but it's not a bashism either. Which is why switching to bash doesn't help me |
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| 13:47.16 | themill | Wes__: you do realise that typeset is deprecated in bash as well? |
| 13:47.19 | Titan8990 | Wes__: the point is it is non-portable and specific to whatever shell |
| 13:47.44 | Wes__ | Titan8990: Right, which is why I'm trying to figure out what shell I'm in, so I can re-exec as needed |
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| 13:48.03 | Titan8990 | instead of fixing portability? |
| 13:48.04 | themill | Wes__: how does that tally with "bash won't be installed by default anyway"? |
| 13:48.07 | Wes__ | themill: no, I didn't, this was originally developed on solaris' bourne shell. |
| 13:48.14 | friesenjunge | hi everybody |
| 13:48.32 | Wes__ | Titan8990: I'm having a challenge fixing the problem: getting a list of declared functions (writing a shell script parser in shell being the only other option I can think of) |
| 13:49.02 | themill | sends Wes__ off to #bash |
| 13:49.10 | friesenjunge | i am having a nerv wrenching problem with my fresh debian installation and i wonder if this might be the right place to ask for help |
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| 13:49.27 | Wes__ | themill: I can intelligently print an error message, rather than spewing errors all over the console |
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| 13:49.54 | abrotman | still not a #debian issue |
| 13:49.54 | Wes__ | So, conclusion, dash is undetectable other than by parsing stderr. Okay. |
| 13:50.01 | abrotman | he's not asking about Debian .. ubuntu and solaris |
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| 13:50.32 | Wes__ | abrotman: You're right, I'm asking about the debian almquist shell |
| 13:50.50 | abrotman | Wes__: ask the channel for your distro or a general shell programming channel, this is neither |
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| 13:51.35 | friesenjunge | i have a new 5.0.4 lenny installation on amd64 and installing build-essential fails due to failing dependencies |
| 13:51.47 | Titan8990 | friesenjunge: pastebin the full output |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | friesenjunge: do you have a security source and a main source? |
| 13:51.56 | wols | friesenjunge: pastebin your sources.list and the apt output when trying to install it |
| 13:51.59 | Wes__ | abrotman: Okay - my mistake, just trying to find somebody familiar with dash, mistook the 'debian' in 'debian almquish shell' to mean that #debian might be clueful |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | Wes__: your distro has altered that package .. have a good day |
| 13:52.38 | themill | Wes__: we can't tell you much more other than "Don't rely on bashisms if you're not prepared to use #!/bin/bash" because that's the final answer to your problem. |
| 13:52.49 | Wes__ | abrotman: Oh! Is that the problem? I'll telnet into a sarge box instead |
| 13:52.55 | friesenjunge | could you describe "pastebin" you surely don't mean me to copy/paste it in here do you? |
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| 13:53.09 | wols | !paste |
| 13:53.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 13:53.28 | abrotman | Wes__: this channel is to support Debian users. Please ask the cahnnel for your distro, or a general shell programming channel, or perhaps even ##linux |
| 13:53.35 | friesenjunge | thx for the instruction :) |
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| 13:58.20 | EugenMayer | hello guys. Any email archive tool for debian available ( similar to mailarchiva ) |
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| 13:59.09 | Titan8990 | EugenMayer: archivemail? |
| 13:59.22 | wols | !tell EugenMayer about search |
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| 14:00.04 | friesenjunge | ok here is the problem in pastebin http://paste.debian.net/69893/ |
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| 14:00.50 | abrotman | friesenjunge: you're missing the security line |
| 14:01.04 | Sarago | what's the package to install xfontsel? |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | friesenjunge: add "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:02.04 | friesenjunge | thanks a lot..did it and it worked |
| 14:02.11 | tarbowl | Sarago that'd be x11-utils, I believe. |
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| 14:03.17 | friesenjunge | i never knew that i'd explicitely need the security packages |
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| 14:08.16 | greedo | gfortran: Depends: gfortran-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:08.17 | greedo | E: Broken packages |
| 14:08.25 | greedo | why? |
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| 14:08.53 | jeward | Hi, my system locks up under debian if I let it sit, but not under DSL. How can I fix it? |
| 14:09.07 | themill | dpkg: tell greedo about bat |
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| 14:11.02 | greedo | gfortran: |
| 14:11.02 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.02 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.02 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.02 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.35 | simonrvn | dpkg: tell greedo -about paste |
| 14:12.23 | greedo | no pastebot? |
| 14:12.47 | jeward | Hi, my system locks up under debian if I let it sit, but not under DSL. How can I fix it? |
| 14:13.04 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/SEHi9u1r |
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| 14:15.09 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
| 14:15.57 | themill | greedo: dpkg suggested a lot more output than that |
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| 14:19.02 | jeward | Can anyone help me discern why my system locks up under lenny? |
| 14:20.31 | petemc | jeward: have you tried to ssh to the machine when its locked up to see if its just X causing the problem? |
| 14:20.51 | friesenjunge | jeward: did you check your system logs? |
| 14:21.05 | jeward | petemcL=: I suspect X because it locks up even just sitting at xdm. |
| 14:21.23 | jeward | friesenjunge: Which logs? |
| 14:21.34 | friesenjunge | jeward: is it a virtual or physical machine? |
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| 14:21.51 | jeward | Physical. |
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| 14:22.38 | friesenjunge | jeward: look for suspicous signs in /var/log/messages |
| 14:23.09 | jeward | Checking. |
| 14:23.33 | bbd | jeward: first do ping from remote machine on the same LAN, check if arp is received |
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| 14:24.03 | jeward | Should I be able to CTL-ALT-F1 if it's just X? |
| 14:24.33 | bbd | try it and tell us |
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| 14:25.07 | jeward | This is most pften theApr 6 22:06:33 A20m kernel: [ 88.898473] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions |
| 14:25.07 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.30 | jeward | Hmm, that didn't come out right, but it looks innocuous? |
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| 14:25.38 | simonrvn | i wouldn't worry about that. |
| 14:25.44 | friesenjunge | no thats not it |
| 14:25.49 | kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know why deboostrap says " Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/root mount -t proc proc /proc"? I've investigated this using strace and it looks like "mount("proc", "/proc", "proc", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)" is the culprit. By why is mounting proc not permittet? |
| 14:26.05 | friesenjunge | could you test pinging the machine like proposed before? |
| 14:26.26 | jeward | Well, it's not locked up presently. |
| 14:26.48 | simonrvn | kW_: need root perms to do that. you can always chroot to it and do it there, or do it from outside. |
| 14:27.10 | friesenjunge | when it was locked up before: did you try crtl+alt+f1? did it work? |
| 14:27.13 | jeward | I'll try stopping X altogether before I leave the machine this time. |
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| 14:27.30 | kW_ | simonrvn: well, I do have root permissions, both outside and inside the chroot |
| 14:27.31 | jeward | friesenjunge: I haven't tried that. |
| 14:28.05 | WhiteCrow1 | i installed hplip from backport repo but when i want install hplip-cups hplip-dbg hplip-gui Confront this error >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: hplip-cups: Depends: ghostscript-cups but it is not installable << and i cant find ghostscript-cups in lenny repo , so how can i do ? |
| 14:28.16 | friesenjunge | jeward: you might also want to try to press crtl+alt+backspace which should restart X |
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| 14:29.15 | simonrvn | in the old days. you need to explicitly enable that now. |
| 14:29.42 | Sarago | ah, aterm with transparent background and terminus font, now we're talkin |
| 14:31.10 | jeward | friesenjunge: Thanks! |
| 14:31.12 | simonrvn | setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 14:33.55 | jelly | Sarago: the only thing better than aterm with transparent background... is rxvt-unicode-lite with transparnet background. UTF-8 support baby! |
| 14:34.19 | petern_ | i find xterm sufficient |
| 14:34.37 | Sarago | jelly:oooh, I might have to give that a try |
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| 14:35.12 | petern_ | or gnome-terminal with transparency and compiz, if i feel like wasting cpu cycles :) |
| 14:35.13 | Sarago | jelly:what's your favorite terminal font? |
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| 14:36.29 | shapley | what is debian hurd? |
| 14:36.34 | Sarago | petern_:how about you, what font to you use? |
| 14:36.39 | valdyn | !hurd |
| 14:36.39 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:36.50 | jelly | Sarago: this one used to ship with Konsole in KDE3: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/console8x16.pcf.gz ... it's basically the VGA font with a lot of latin and cyrillic characters |
| 14:36.55 | Traveler0 | !hird |
| 14:36.55 | dpkg | [HIRD] Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth. Ask me about <hurd>. |
| 14:37.12 | valdyn | shapley: its not useful except for learning |
| 14:37.16 | Titan8990 | didn't know hurd was "unofficial" in debian |
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| 14:37.49 | shapley | valdyn: ok |
| 14:37.50 | friesenjunge | didn't know of that wonderfull terminus font, tanks |
| 14:38.10 | petern_ | i'm using terminus at the moment |
| 14:38.10 | Sarago | yeah I like terminus alot |
| 14:38.26 | Sarago | I'd like to find a good lucida console font though |
| 14:38.46 | simonrvn | dejavu sans mono |
| 14:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ghostscript-cups |
| 14:39.12 | judd | ghostscript-cups -- squeeze: 8.71~dfsg-3; sid: 8.71~dfsg-4 |
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| 14:39.21 | friesenjunge | love it with line-spaving 0.85 |
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| 14:41.24 | Sarago | where do you get dejavu sans mono at? |
| 14:41.58 | shapley | why do adding aliases with ifconfig requires a new interface (ie; eth0:x) ? |
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| 14:42.03 | petern_ | aptitude install ttf-dejavu ;) |
| 14:42.06 | valdyn | Sarago: you already have bitstream vera sans mono |
| 14:42.23 | valdyn | Sarago: dejavu just adds glyhps to that |
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| 14:42.40 | jelly | dejavu family typically has a bit more glyphs, and some small fixes |
| 14:42.55 | valdyn | probably, i havent seen a difference |
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| 14:45.49 | Sarago | valdyn: I don't see bitstream vera sans mono |
| 14:46.10 | valdyn | Sarago: aptitude install ttf-bitstream ttf-dejavu |
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| 14:51.45 | derik | is good debian for webserver? |
| 14:51.52 | Titan8990 | !why debian |
| 14:51.52 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 14:51.54 | valdyn | derik: sure |
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| 14:54.58 | greedo | so for some odd reason lpr is not working |
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| 14:55.18 | greedo | lpq reports |
| 14:55.26 | greedo | Warning: no daemon present |
| 14:55.42 | simple_ | hey, any ideas as to how to turn off kinit? |
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| 14:56.36 | simple_ | i'm having kinit try and resume from a disk that doesn't exist |
| 14:56.41 | simple_ | and its breaking my system |
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| 14:57.33 | derik | what distriubtion i must to download for personal pc x 86 or i386? |
| 14:57.56 | wols | derik: i386 |
| 14:58.13 | wols | tho x86 and i386 are the same thing |
| 14:58.21 | Sarago | I've installed ttf-bitstream-vera, performed fc-cache -fv and done a restart from the openbox menu, I still don't see bitstream vera |
| 14:58.28 | derik | omg debian have 5 DVD x 4 GB = 20 GB ? |
| 14:58.42 | Sarago | i'm looking in xfontsel and xlsfonts |
| 14:58.55 | bzed | derik: if you have internet access at home, just download the netinst cd |
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| 15:00.46 | flo` | hi |
| 15:01.00 | flo` | can i install a) aufs or b) unionfs without having to recompile my kernel? |
| 15:01.09 | flo` | i.e., does debian provide modules for it? |
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| 15:01.34 | flo` | i want a kernelspace implementation, as i want to put my root fs into an union later |
| 15:01.39 | themill | flo`: apt-cache search aufs unionfs |
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| 15:05.01 | miranda82 | Hi guys, I'm trying to get my graphic card installed by creating its module, but my problem is I can't find the linux headers for my kernel in order to do so (2.6.32-trunk-amd64). Anyone know why I can't find them in the repositories? cheers |
| 15:05.29 | wols | miranda82: we don't support drivers from ati.com or nvidia.com |
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| 15:06.27 | miranda82 | wols: I'm not asking for support for my graphic card. I just asked why I can't find the headers for my kernel |
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| 15:06.50 | wols | you run testing or sid, you should know how to solve these kind of conflicts |
| 15:07.18 | wols | I suggest you learn how to update your kernel |
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| 15:08.19 | abrotman | miranda82: your kernel is out of date |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | miranda82: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. boot the correct kernel, remove the -trunk- kernel |
| 15:09.47 | miranda82 | abrotman: Thank you, I was wondering why did I have to entries in the grub in the recently installed system |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 15:16.17 | karollegion | hi |
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| 15:21.48 | macsim | hi anybody else notice apt-cacher is slow ? |
| 15:22.04 | aaronorosen1 | Hello, i'm trying to format one of my disks and i'm getting a message saying /dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system. Though the disk is not mounted |
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| 15:23.35 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.52 | aaronorosen1 | cahoot: i tried that and it doesn't print anything out. |
| 15:25.12 | aaronorosen1 | cahoot: Ah interesting. I used to have a raid setup on these drives but then i reloaded the system and for some reason the raid is back up again because when i cat /proc/mdstat i get this. md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 15:25.21 | aaronorosen1 | I got to figure out how to format that |
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| 15:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | I'm sure the link to /dev/urandom in /etc/freeradius/certs/ is intended to make chroot operation easier, but it effectively breaks grep -r for finding configuration details. |
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| 15:27.21 | aaronorosen1 | Ok i got it. |
| 15:27.30 | aaronorosen1 | One last question |
| 15:27.40 | aaronorosen1 | I have two network cards in this one computer and in my /etc/network/interfaces I have allow-hotplug ethX; iface ethx inet dhcp for both cards but that causes a problem for me because now I have two default gateways. I can fix this manually by doing route del but how do i fix this perminately? |
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| 15:28.33 | wols | man interfaces. post up script |
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| 15:28.50 | nutron | Because I'm unsure, does /etc/cron.daily/apt (sourcing /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic) replace the functionality that cron-apt provides? |
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| 15:30.57 | themill | nutron: more or less. cron-apt can do a few more things and I think also has a more configurable output |
| 15:30.58 | aaronorosen1 | wols: I can add post-up route del default gw ipaddress (to the end of /etc/network/interface and this should fix it? ) |
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| 15:35.02 | nutron | themill: fair enough, i'll keep it simple then and just use what the apt package provides. |
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| 15:42.17 | wols | aaronorosen1: you can read the manpage |
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| 15:42.49 | Titan8990 | aaronorosen1: and stop asking in other channels at the same time |
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| 15:55.25 | Quicken2K | how can I check my DVD for defects? |
| 15:55.47 | wols | with md5sum |
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| 15:56.56 | Quicken2K | no I ment like a dvd already burned |
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| 16:02.14 | dtigue | can anyone tell me why after installing xorg on a fresh debian install my screen goes blank i have to swap over using ctrl+alt+f1 just to get a console now |
| 16:02.40 | maligor | depends on the video card and driver used |
| 16:03.15 | dtigue | maligor, oh...this is gonna be a hrad one for me to fix then, i installed debian on a free old school imac |
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| 16:03.32 | Titan8990 | dtigue: probably get better help in #debian-ppc |
| 16:03.34 | Titan8990 | !ppc |
| 16:03.34 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:03.38 | dtigue | ahh |
| 16:03.44 | dtigue | thanks guys |
| 16:03.45 | maligor | I doubt it's related to ppc as such |
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| 16:03.50 | Titan8990 | dtigue: sorry, #debianppc |
| 16:04.00 | Sarago | why doesn't xfontsel show the artwiz fonts |
| 16:04.16 | Titan8990 | maligor: yes, but the people there will be familar with the imac hardware and such... |
| 16:04.34 | maligor | shame the arch died away too |
| 16:04.39 | cahoot | Sarago: bitmapped fonts disabled? |
| 16:04.46 | maligor | it was the only reason I got a mac |
| 16:04.58 | Sarago | cahoot: I thought I enabled them, how do I verify? |
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| 16:06.05 | cahoot | Sarago: no idea - long time since I used such - dpkg-reconfigure console-fonts? |
| 16:06.26 | cahoot | probably wrong |
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| 16:08.15 | CyberDomovoy | hi, i'm readin autotools-dev README.debian, and it says i should make damn well sure to use libtool 1.5.6 or later, lenny package is 1.5.26... should i install the one from testing? what is it about libtool anyway? |
| 16:08.25 | maligor | mm.. xfontsel, doesn't that use the x11 mechanisms as opposed to fontconfig? |
| 16:08.42 | maligor | which pretty much any sane x11 software would use these days |
| 16:08.55 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: are you mixing releases? |
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| 16:09.06 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> yes, lenny and testing |
| 16:09.30 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: its highly recommended you don't do that... this is what lenny-backports is for |
| 16:09.35 | wols | CyberDomovoy: congratulations for ruining your debian |
| 16:09.43 | wols | your debian installation that is |
| 16:09.43 | maligor | CyberDomovoy, 1.5.6 < 1.5.26 |
| 16:09.53 | Titan8990 | wols: only ruined if he wanted to keep lenny :) |
| 16:10.06 | gasull | Hi. Is there a debian package for Google App Engine SDK? Thanks. |
| 16:10.11 | wols | if he did, why mix? why not upgrade |
| 16:10.21 | Titan8990 | often have to... |
| 16:10.29 | wols | !tell gasull about search |
| 16:10.38 | Titan8990 | gasull: I would check upstream |
| 16:10.39 | wols | Titan8990: you have to? |
| 16:10.46 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990, wols > i didn't do it for having fun, i needed to do it so that i could get some freevo stuff working as i wanted, believe me, i tried to find another way before |
| 16:11.01 | CyberDomovoy | maligor> ho... i see, thanks |
| 16:11.03 | Titan8990 | wols: well, if libc6 is upgraded, I don't see somone going back.. atleast not easily |
| 16:11.10 | maligor | sometimes I hate that some software mix the use of versioning in x.y.z and x.yz |
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| 16:11.54 | wols | Titan8990: me neither |
| 16:11.58 | gasull | Titan8990: what do you mean? |
| 16:12.00 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 16:12.16 | wols | gasull: he means to get it frm google. very unlikely it is packaged for debian |
| 16:12.17 | Titan8990 | !tell gasull about upstream |
| 16:12.25 | gasull | wols: I've already searched everywhere |
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| 16:12.52 | flo` | hi |
| 16:13.31 | gasull | Titan8990: The link provided by the tell command returns a 404, but I got what you meant. |
| 16:13.36 | flo` | i fiddled around with the initrd... i made it mount my root partition to /ro and a tmpfs to /rw, then a union consisting of rw and ro was mounted to /root, then it proceeded normally |
| 16:13.38 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> http://pastebin.com/0ZqQb98X |
| 16:13.53 | flo` | it works fine... however, i'd like to change that union now. but how can i do this? |
| 16:14.05 | flo` | mount says the following: |
| 16:14.11 | gasull | wols: I'll try the google debian repo, but I think they only have Picasa and google desktop. |
| 16:14.27 | Titan8990 | gasull: thanks, I will fix it |
| 16:14.32 | flo` | tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) . that dir, however, does not contain the files it should (i.e., all changed files) |
| 16:14.41 | flo` | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,relatime) |
| 16:14.45 | flo` | wtf? why not aufs? |
| 16:14.57 | flo` | and my root partition is mentioned nowhere |
| 16:15.13 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: now remove either a) remove squeeze sources before its too late b) upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:15.15 | flo` | however, i'm sure it's still mounted as the whole system is running from that partition |
| 16:15.26 | flo` | where did these mountpoints vanish? |
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| 16:16.40 | wols | flo`: what changed files? |
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| 16:17.32 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> well, i was thinking about upgrading to testing... maybe it's time |
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| 16:17.58 | flo` | wols, for example, i had to "fix" /etc/fstab |
| 16:18.05 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> but why is it so bad to mix the two systems? |
| 16:18.12 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: if this is a production machine or one you depend on, then its not time |
| 16:18.20 | flo` | because it tried and failed to fsck / (as / is aufs and not ext3, i can understand this) |
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| 16:18.40 | flo` | in the initrd-shell, rw/ contained the new fstab |
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| 16:18.50 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: it will lead to undesirable behavior... some applications won't work.. problems of package conflicts, etc. |
| 16:18.50 | flo` | after further booting, i can't find that dir anywhere |
| 16:18.55 | flo` | where has it gone to? |
| 16:19.05 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> it's the machine i use to work... php/c++/mysql... |
| 16:19.08 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: I guess its not bad if you don't mind spending a lot of time repairing your debian, as opossed to actually use it |
| 16:19.18 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: then I would not upgrade to testing |
| 16:19.31 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: remove squeeze sources and backport when needed |
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| 16:20.33 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: an upgrade to squeeze would mean API and ABI changes... new php version for example |
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| 16:21.21 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> why is that bad? i'd say it's a good thing... no? |
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| 16:21.31 | themill | dpkg: tell CyberDomovoy about moving target |
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| 16:21.45 | Titan8990 | CyberDomovoy: if you want applications to stop working, sure... its a good thing... |
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| 16:23.17 | CyberDomovoy | Titan8990> hmmm, i think i got the point... and so if i want to modify some software, bouml actually, i should just download the source from their website/svn, and try to make it compile on stable? |
| 16:23.44 | Titan8990 | !tell CyberDomovoy about ssb |
| 16:23.51 | Titan8990 | !tell CyberDomovoy about recompile |
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| 16:24.14 | Titan8990 | !tell CyberDomovoy about package recompile |
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| 16:26.05 | CyberDomovoy | great, thanks for all these infos |
| 16:26.10 | babilen | Hi all. How do output the SSH fingerprint for a previously accepted key? |
| 16:26.27 | CyberDomovoy | removing squeeze sources right now |
| 16:26.35 | Hydroxide | babilen: check the man page for ssh-keygen |
| 16:26.37 | Titan8990 | babilen: ~/.ssh/known_hosts? |
| 16:26.41 | babilen | I've read the manpage for ssh-keygen and i'm either blind or unable to find it :) |
| 16:27.22 | Titan8990 | babilen: are those the accepted fingerprints your looking for? |
| 16:27.41 | babilen | Titan8990: known_hosts is hashed - I know about "ssh-keygen -F hostname" but that does not give me the fingerprint, which is shown on first connection |
| 16:27.55 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 16:28.20 | babilen | I want to get the fingerprint which i can get with "ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" on the server I connect to ... |
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| 16:28.53 | madsara | Hey, how do I roll back a package using aptitude? |
| 16:29.09 | babilen | madsara: roll back? |
| 16:29.28 | madsara | madsara: I need to install something that was uninstalled/purged. |
| 16:29.40 | Titan8990 | madsara: aptitude install <package> |
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| 16:31.00 | madsara | It removed mysql-server-4.1 ... |
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| 16:31.11 | wedge | who uses sql server 4.1 still? |
| 16:31.16 | madsara | Looks like I'm going to 5. |
| 16:31.20 | Titan8990 | ,versions mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:31.22 | judd | mysql-server-4.1 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12 |
| 16:31.28 | Titan8990 | wedge: etch users |
| 16:31.48 | Titan8990 | madsara: are you also making the etch->lenny upgrade? |
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| 16:33.01 | themill | note the version number on that package.... 4.1 wasn't in etch either |
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| 16:33.11 | themill | ,info mysql-server-4.1 etch |
| 16:33.12 | judd | mysql-server-4.1 (oldlibs, extra): mysql database server (transitional package). Version: 5.0.32-7etch8; Size: 47.0k; Installed: 60k |
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| 16:33.34 | madsara | I think I got it Just a panic moment. |
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| 16:34.03 | Titan8990 | themill: so it was used to assist 4.x->5.x upgrades from sarge->etch? |
| 16:34.15 | themill | yes |
| 16:34.19 | Saruman- | how i can change the resolution of the console like in Fedora 12 (Ctrl+ ALT+F1)? |
| 16:35.02 | Titan8990 | Saruman-: how did you do it in fedora? |
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| 16:36.17 | argafal | hello. i was going to install Debian stable IA64 on a Thinkpad R500, Intel Core Duo 2 T6750. I downloaded an image (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/ia64/iso-cd/debian-504-ia64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso), put it on a cd (cdrecord filename). I can read the cd from three computers, i can not boot the cd on any of the three. Symptoms: a very small white square somewhere on the screen a a blinking cursor. |
| 16:36.29 | argafal | I burned the CD a second time. Same things happens. |
| 16:36.31 | Saruman- | well, when i install Fedora 12 the resolution by default is big |
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| 16:36.35 | Titan8990 | argafal: ia64 is for intel itaniums. you got the wrong cd |
| 16:36.43 | simonrvn | argafal: wrong cd |
| 16:36.54 | argafal | I knew it was a good idea to supply all the details :-) |
| 16:37.05 | argafal | so which one is for Intel 64bit cpus then? |
| 16:37.08 | simonrvn | !amd64 |
| 16:37.08 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 16:37.17 | Saruman- | my resolution is 1440x900 |
| 16:37.20 | Titan8990 | !tell Saruman- about fbcon |
| 16:37.40 | argafal | Titan8990: simonrvn thanks for that answer. |
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| 16:38.00 | Titan8990 | argafal: there is current discussion about giving more details on the download page about which is the correct. specifically because of the confusion with ia64 |
| 16:38.19 | argafal | yeah, it seemed to make perfect sense for me. amd vs intel, as always. |
| 16:38.38 | argafal | well. anyway, no big harm caused, besides two empty CD-Rs. |
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| 16:38.46 | Vasistha | hmm, is there a way to make aptitude just throw away all of the recent markings I've made? |
| 16:39.16 | argafal | i tried a usb drive as well, but i didn't succeed. why is dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdb not sufficient to put the bootable image onto the flash drive? |
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| 16:39.38 | argafal | i read the instructions then (i'll provide the link in a second) but they didn't work either. |
| 16:39.42 | Titan8990 | Vasistha: actions -> cancel pending actions. assuming your talking about interactive aptitude |
| 16:39.44 | Vasistha | argafal: probably because iso format is not appropriate for a usb flash drive |
| 16:40.00 | Vasistha | Titan8990: indeed, thanks much! |
| 16:40.08 | Titan8990 | argafal: because usbs don't boot the same way as a CD |
| 16:40.17 | Titan8990 | argafal: you have to use the method describbed in the install guide |
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| 16:41.30 | argafal | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en yeah, i tried. i got a boot.img.gz, put it onto the stick (zcat file > /dev/sdb), mounted it, copied the file.iso to the root of the usb drive, umounted it. didn't work (i don't remember the error message but i can try again) |
| 16:41.46 | argafal | do the instructions mean to copy the CONTENT of the iso, probably? |
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| 16:42.58 | argafal | error message (using qemu): "boot error..." |
| 16:43.00 | Titan8990 | aravind: was this also with the incorrect arch? |
| 16:43.07 | argafal | Titan8990: i hope not. |
| 16:43.08 | Titan8990 | aravind: no, you copy the entire ISO |
| 16:43.22 | argafal | Titan8990: the file to /mnt/whatever, yes? that's what i did. |
| 16:43.49 | Titan8990 | argafal: your trying to usb boot a qemu vm? |
| 16:44.07 | argafal | no, i tried the flash drive in qemu right now so i don't have to shutdown the machine. |
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| 16:45.59 | Vasistha | ouch, sucky, cancel pending actions also cancels packags holds :P |
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| 16:50.09 | Sarago | is there a debian package for netwmpager? |
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| 16:50.27 | Titan8990 | !tell Sarago about apt-file |
| 16:50.34 | demism | anyone get netflix working? |
| 16:51.25 | argafal | from the manual "for the AMD64 (âamd64â) architecture." no word of intel. IA-64 says "for the IA-64 (âia64â) architecture." no word of Itanium or to use AMD for Intel cpus. (not complaining, overall i could have found out with some searching. but: it kinda feels waterproof to choose amd64 for AMDs and IA64 for Intel, so i didn't question it for a second. i guess a sentence or two wouldn't harm but help to make things clearer) |
| 16:51.34 | fanderal | netflix, as in watching movies? |
| 16:51.52 | Vasistha | demism: google is probably a better place to look |
| 16:51.56 | demism | fanderal: as in watching movies online |
| 16:52.01 | Titan8990 | argafal: feel free to comment on the bug report regarding it |
| 16:52.04 | Vasistha | I'm guessing he means streaming |
| 16:52.37 | Titan8990 | argafal: #575761 |
| 16:52.42 | argafal | Titan8990: probably a good idea. thanks for the number. |
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| 16:53.04 | fanderal | ya can't... its drm protected. run win in vbox and you can watch |
| 16:53.40 | Vasistha | demism: you could ask #winehq |
| 16:54.00 | Vasistha | demism: but virtualbox is a better bet |
| 16:54.12 | demism | thanks, will look into it |
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| 16:55.07 | Sarago | hmm, okay, I can't find a package for netwmpager, what pager would you recommend for use in openbox? |
| 16:55.27 | Titan8990 | Sarago: I use most for my system's pager |
| 16:55.50 | argafal | Titan8990: ok, that works fine now. must have been the wrong arch then as well. thanks again. |
| 16:56.09 | Sarago | Titan8990 most? |
| 16:56.15 | Titan8990 | Sarago: /usr/bin/most |
| 16:56.38 | Vasistha | when less is not enough |
| 16:56.52 | Titan8990 | Sarago: aptitude install most; update-alternatives --config pager |
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| 16:59.43 | Sarago | Titan8990: ah, I was referring to desktop pager |
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| 17:00.00 | Titan8990 | Sarago: suppose I don't know what a desktop pager is then |
| 17:00.25 | madsara | Blah blah blah |
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| 17:01.22 | action09 | oy |
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| 17:06.15 | argafal | gosh. driving me crazy. so i zcat'ed boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb, i copied the iso file into the mounted usb flashdrive, i umounted it. the installer shows in qemu as it is supposed to show, but on the laptop i still get a "Boot error" |
| 17:06.40 | argafal | any ideas of what to check next? |
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| 17:06.56 | hesco | building a new system, with matched SATA drives I'd like to mirror as RAID-1, can anyone please advise where in the build process I get the chance to do that? And does it make sense to partition the first drive as I normally would when using a single IDE drive? Will the RAID-1 process respect my partitions? |
| 17:08.19 | argafal | http://nopaste.info/1636fb4feb.html << ls -l in /media/Debian Inst |
| 17:08.20 | Quicken2K | I can get 5.0.4 from 5.0.0 right? |
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| 17:08.37 | micols | hesco: no it doesn't make sense |
| 17:08.46 | micols | sorry wait |
| 17:09.30 | micols | usually you have the choice of doing whole disk mdadm or partition basis mdadm |
| 17:09.41 | micols | the latter is usually the "default" |
| 17:09.52 | micols | in that case you create your partitions beforehand |
| 17:10.06 | dutchfish | argafal: is all written out to the usb drive before disconnected? use && sync && sync |
| 17:10.41 | micols | also i dont think mdadm raids your MBR, you will probably have to copy it with dd to both disks |
| 17:12.09 | argafal | dutchfish: i'll check, hang on. one more question here: i don't rename the iso, it's just wget and cp, right? |
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| 17:12.47 | micols | hesco: i would do mdadm --raid-level 1 --add /dev/hda /dev/hdb or such , i dont remember the complete command |
| 17:12.59 | micols | but that would mean you have to make partitions afterwards |
| 17:13.11 | argafal | speaking of it, i think the manual could be more explicit in that area. cause i naturally start to question every single step which is not spelled out if something doesn't work right away, cause i tend to search for the mistake on my side first. in that sense the manual isn't to helpful. |
| 17:13.16 | argafal | *too |
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| 17:13.54 | Titan8990 | argafal: installation from a USB in general needs work, not just the docs |
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| 17:14.51 | argafal | Titan8990: probably. though i don't mind reading and doing at all. it's just hard if you are not sure where to start looking and things are not spelled out. in that case a simple cp command "cp isoname.iso /mnt" would be a great help to make sure it's not you misunderstanding something. |
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| 17:15.41 | argafal | and if the sync is really the problem and umount is not sufficient in that case it should probably be mentioned there as well. though i'm not sure why that should be the case. |
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| 17:17.16 | Shtl | Hello all. i hve installed LAMP on my Lenny, only apache is working, http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin is not working can any one help me please? |
| 17:17.26 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work |
| 17:17.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:17.30 | abrotman | Shtl: did you read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ ? |
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| 17:18.47 | argafal | dutchfish: i took care of a sync after zcat and another (two) sync after umount. the error stays the same: "boot error" |
| 17:19.51 | dutchfish | argafal: mmm... hard to tell then either a bios that does not like to be booted form usb, you might also want to take a peak at http://boot.kernel.org/ |
| 17:20.29 | hesco | micols: Thanks. I've built dozens of servers w/o having to learn this RAID stuff. But afraid I can postpone this no further. Your guidance is helpful. |
| 17:21.17 | hesco | So I assume I want to get a console and do this RAID building routine in the background, before proceeding with the guided installation process? |
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| 17:21.38 | argafal | dutchfish: well, i'd hope that a brand new thinkpad should support that. boot.kernel is of course an idea. i also just tried a spare i386 lenny cd which works right away. but i wont get amd64 easily using that one, right? |
| 17:22.16 | argafal | i also have a grml cd in case that might help me. i don't have any further empty cd-s so now i'm limited (for today) to usb and the i386 cd and the grml cd (and probably netboot) |
| 17:22.26 | dutchfish | argafal: the debian live project is another aproach http://live.debian.net/ |
| 17:22.39 | Titan8990 | doesn |
| 17:22.46 | Titan8990 | doesn't include an installer though |
| 17:23.25 | dutchfish | argafal: on some machines usb booting simply didnt work for me either (some needed bios alteriations to get along) |
| 17:23.40 | starenka | hi. how can i get all packages from one machine and install it on another? |
| 17:23.55 | starenka | ive tried dpkg --get-selection/set_selections |
| 17:24.01 | starenka | but it doesn't work |
| 17:24.24 | Titan8990 | !tell starenka about aptitude clone |
| 17:24.26 | argafal | dutchfish: mh. i'm still thinking if it could be the architecture. would that fit the error-msg "boot error"/ |
| 17:24.49 | starenka | ty |
| 17:24.50 | dutchfish | argafal: i resiously doubt that |
| 17:24.59 | dutchfish | seriously* |
| 17:25.09 | argafal | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:34.45 | Sarago | what's the aptitude syntax to check or updates? |
| 17:35.14 | coppercore | aptitude update |
| 17:35.24 | coppercore | the just aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 17:35.54 | Sarago | aptitude update updates the package cache? |
| 17:36.06 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 17:36.38 | Sarago | Is there a preferred mirror for being up to date? |
| 17:37.04 | simonrvn | one cloest to you. |
| 17:38.04 | DanDare | a broken mirror brings 7 year of bad luck |
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| 17:38.27 | jelly | what does a mirror broken only for vampires brings? |
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| 17:39.12 | Sarago | so, I'm in Minnesota, USA, any recommendations on mirrors? |
| 17:39.21 | simonrvn | one they can see themselves in? ;p |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | Sarago: http.us.debian.org |
| 17:39.41 | simonrvn | umn.edu i think has one |
| 17:39.50 | dutchfish | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 17:40.56 | jelly | simonrvn: well, by vampires, I mean "alpha, arm, m68k, powerpc, sparc, mips, hppa, s390" |
| 17:41.02 | ReeF | Hi |
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| 17:41.12 | DanDare | sometimes forme the nearest mirror is extremely slow.. so i tend to just let in flooding main mirror. |
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| 17:41.25 | liuchong | hi,how can i add a "ChanServ" in my irc channel? |
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| 17:41.34 | dutchfish | jelly: was almost about to say: bad droppins, as an answer ;) |
| 17:41.44 | DanDare | liuchong, this is not the palce to ask, #freenode maybe |
| 17:41.56 | lcarvalho | when I am building a deb package. How can I ignore this dependency? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: couldn't find library libjvm.so needed by debian/erp5/opt/erp5/5.4.6/parts/openoffice-bin__unpack__/usr/java/jre1.6.0_18/lib/amd64/libawt.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '/opt/erp5/5.4.6/parts/openoffice-bin__unpack__/usr/java/jre1.6.0_18/lib/amd64'). |
| 17:42.04 | liuchong | DanDare: thanks |
| 17:42.04 | simonrvn | jelly: heh heh |
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| 17:42.41 | Sarago | dutchfish: what do the columns mean on that site? |
| 17:43.01 | dutchfish | Sarago: relationship top->bottom |
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| 17:43.08 | pallgone | I can't get java in iceweasel to work on squeeze... the plugin seems to be loaded but apps display an empty error... any ideas? |
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| 17:45.31 | ReeF | When going out version 6 debian ? |
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| 17:47.13 | Titan8990 | !wwsr |
| 17:47.13 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
| 17:47.24 | Sarago | where do I set my mirrors at? |
| 17:47.34 | \amethyst | pallgone: which java plugin? |
| 17:47.38 | Titan8990 | !tell Sarago about sources.list |
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| 17:53.29 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: have you tried the opropriate jdk instead of the jre? |
| 17:53.31 | Sarago | can I define multiple mirrors in sources.list? |
| 17:53.48 | pallgone | \amethyst: I'm trying to get java in iceweasel to work... no success yet. |
| 17:54.00 | \amethyst | pallgone: which java plugin? Sun's ? |
| 17:54.18 | Titan8990 | Sarago: multiple mirrors should be defined in it by default... |
| 17:55.03 | pallgone | \amethyst: well... anything that works, I don't care |
| 17:55.08 | \amethyst | ... |
| 17:55.18 | \amethyst | which are you using *right now* ? |
| 17:55.28 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: sorry, I don't think we are talking about the same thing. debian does not resolv this dependency. do it might be ignored. |
| 17:55.38 | pallgone | \amethyst: sun's 6/jre |
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| 17:56.00 | \amethyst | pallgone: you have a file /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ? |
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| 17:56.06 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: didnt dep-build depenicies hint it? then file a bug |
| 17:56.17 | \amethyst | pallgone: if so, edit it so that instead of saying = 1 it says = 0 |
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| 17:56.25 | Titan8990 | pallgone: you want sun-java6-plugin. update-java-alternatives if multiple javas are installed |
| 17:56.37 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: doesn't that bug only apply to > squeeze? |
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| 17:56.54 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: dpkg-buildpackage -b hint that. |
| 17:56.56 | \amethyst | Titan8990: 13:43:08 < pallgone> I can't get java in iceweasel to work on squeeze... |
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| 17:57.17 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: ah, makes sense then |
| 17:57.17 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: and wich version you are building against? |
| 17:57.17 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: am I wrong of apt-get should be able to solve that dependency? |
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| 17:57.41 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: i do believe so ,yes |
| 17:57.48 | xxiao_ | i have a program shown 12% cpu usage under top, while top also reports cpu is 93% idle, that does not add up, any reason? |
| 17:57.52 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: version of what? |
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| 17:59.05 | \amethyst | dpkg, learn bindv6only as As of squeeze, in order to get Sun Java networking to work (including applets), edit /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and ensure the last line says net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 . See bug #560044, #560056, and others. This has been fixed in openjdk. |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | smacks bindv6only as As of squeeze, in order to get Sun Java networking to work (including applets), edit /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and ensure the last line says net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 . See bug #560044, #560056, and others. This has been fixed in openjdk. over the head with a 20 lbs thesaurus. |
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| 17:59.25 | \amethyst | dpkg, bindv6only is as of squeeze, in order to get Sun Java networking to work (including applets), edit /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and ensure the last line says net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 . See bug #560044, #560056, and others. This has been fixed in openjdk. |
| 17:59.25 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 17:59.33 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: i think you better take this one to #debian-mentors and ask there |
| 17:59.33 | martianlobster | could someone remind me how to scan for the string "-B" in a text file, using grep ? |
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| 17:59.45 | \amethyst | martianlobster: grep -- -B file |
| 17:59.56 | \amethyst | martianlobster: or grep '[-]B' file |
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| 18:00.07 | Titan8990 | xxiao_: htop will likely help to visualize it. My guess is something to do with multiple cores or hyperthreading |
| 18:00.11 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: deb build-deps shouldnt be taken lightly |
| 18:00.12 | martianlobster | \amethyst: thanks! lol I had such a hard time remembering. I was doing grep --B, grep ---B etc etc |
| 18:01.14 | xxiao_ | Titan8990: thanks. it's a single core cpu(debootstrap on powerpc), i'm trying newer procps and will try htop now. thanks |
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| 18:01.39 | pallgone | \amethyst: no effect whatsoever |
| 18:02.30 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: i would if i could.. i can not connect to there... it is blocked here |
| 18:02.48 | qwd | I'm sending a request for package to WNPP with reportbug and I'm editing the report right now. Package name, URL and License have * in the beginning of that row, does this mean these lines will be visible after sending it in? And those without * will be ignored? Do I need to add a * at the beginning of all the lines I need visible? |
| 18:02.51 | pallgone | hmm.... I've already messed too much with java on this machine probably... I have not clue how it fits together anyway |
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| 18:03.00 | \amethyst | pallgone: sorry, after you edit the file you need to do sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 18:03.01 | dutchfish | lcarvalho: @oftc |
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| 18:03.24 | lcarvalho | dutchfish: yes, I can not connect on it. |
| 18:03.27 | pallgone | \amethyst: what problem should that solve? |
| 18:03.45 | \amethyst | pallgone: inability of Java programs to connect to the network on an IPv4-only machine |
| 18:03.54 | Titan8990 | lcarvalho: I told you yesterday... your trying to connect to the channel on freenode, you need to join on oftc |
| 18:03.54 | \amethyst | pallgone: which will prevent applets from working |
| 18:04.15 | \amethyst | pallgone: if you're using sun java on squeeze, it's definitely a problem, though it may not be your only problem |
| 18:04.28 | lcarvalho | Titan8990: thank you for sharing. as I said, I would connect if I could. I can not connect to irc.oftc.net |
| 18:04.49 | \amethyst | pallgone: the file I told you to edit is loaded on boot; sysctl -p loads it at runtime |
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| 18:04.52 | abrotman | lcarvalho: what is the error ? |
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| 18:05.30 | lcarvalho | abrotman: the network which I am connect is blocked. the unique irc which I can connect is freenode :) |
| 18:05.43 | abrotman | lcarvalho: you could try using tor |
| 18:05.56 | pallgone | \amethyst: hmm... that did it... |
| 18:05.56 | Titan8990 | errm, or just a shell account |
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| 18:06.10 | abrotman | i think his IP is blocked |
| 18:06.12 | \amethyst | pallgone: yay |
| 18:06.27 | pallgone | \amethyst: how did you find out about this? |
| 18:06.36 | Titan8990 | abrotman: how would that happen unless he abused their services? |
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| 18:06.45 | abrotman | Titan8990: DHCP? :) |
| 18:06.59 | Titan8990 | abrotman: eh, yeah. shell account would still get around that though |
| 18:07.23 | Titan8990 | either via ssh tunnel or running a client on the remote system's shell |
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| 18:07.49 | lcarvalho | my ip is not blocked. |
| 18:08.01 | lcarvalho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.16 | karsten | In KDE3: is it possible to configure window dimensions to be displayed when resizing a window (as in WindowMaker)? |
| 18:08.47 | pallgone | \amethyst: why does it affect only java? |
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| 18:09.13 | \amethyst | pallgone: most other programs that it affects have been fixed... sun java has not |
| 18:09.51 | pallgone | \amethyst: so it's the program's fault? |
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| 18:10.09 | \amethyst | pallgone: well, it's pretty major configuration change in Debian |
| 18:10.42 | \amethyst | pallgone: they changed ipv6 networking to work the way it does on most OSes, instead of the way it has traditionally worked on Linux |
| 18:10.48 | phorce1 | lcarvalho: have you tried using irc.debian.org? I think it randomizes the choice of oftc server and may eventually plug you into one you can use. |
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| 18:11.11 | \amethyst | pallgone: because the traditional behaviour caused problems with programs that tried to bind to both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses |
| 18:11.19 | Hydroxide | irc.debian.org and irc.oftc.net and irc.geo.oftc.net all go to the same place IIRC |
| 18:11.24 | Hydroxide | i.e. the same rotation |
| 18:11.40 | lcarvalho | phorce1: thank you, but it won't help. |
| 18:11.41 | \amethyst | pallgone: however, the new behaviour causes problems with programs that try to bind only to ipv6 addresses and hope to get ipv4 connectivity too |
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| 18:12.15 | phorce1 | Hydroxide: ahhh. /me has always used .debian.org and usually connects to a different server every time. Never tested the others |
| 18:12.21 | ReeF | hi amsterdam |
| 18:12.36 | gasull | What is the most standard place to put the Google App Engine SDK packages in Debian? Should they go in /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ ? |
| 18:12.44 | \amethyst | pallgone: as for your earlier question: I encountered the error myself, looked at the java console (right click on the 'Error' icon on the failed applet), and saw that the ultimate exception was 'Network is unreachable' |
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| 18:13.11 | \amethyst | pallgone: then I searched for java debian "Network is unreachable" |
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| 18:13.24 | \amethyst | pallgone: I probably tried a few other searches first |
| 18:13.45 | Hydroxide | lcarvalho: if the block is on your local network and you are not blocked by OFTC, you can try to connect to ports 6668-6670 or 7000, or with SSL use port 9999 |
| 18:13.58 | Hydroxide | lcarvalho: this is documented at http://www.oftc.net/ |
| 18:13.58 | pallgone | \amethyst: ah, I see now... well done |
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| 18:14.37 | Hydroxide | lcarvalho: of course it's up to you to consider your network's policies and how you want to react to it. if you are blocked by OFTC and think the block should be removed, explain why in an email to support@oftc.net |
| 18:14.38 | Titan8990 | Hydroxide: I would not think he has 6667 blocked on his local net if he can get to freenode |
| 18:14.47 | Hydroxide | Titan8990: it might easily be a specific exception for freenode |
| 18:15.03 | lcarvalho | thank you for your help |
| 18:15.05 | Hydroxide | Titan8990: since that's widely known among IT personnel as legit. at least more widely known than OFTC |
| 18:15.06 | lcarvalho | i am going home |
| 18:15.09 | Hydroxide | Titan8990: even though they are both legit |
| 18:15.13 | Hydroxide | lcarvalho: ok, bye |
| 18:15.15 | lcarvalho | and I can connect from there. |
| 18:15.20 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 18:15.24 | lcarvalho | it is more easy :) |
| 18:15.29 | gasull | I meant /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ |
| 18:15.29 | Hydroxide | as you like |
| 18:15.30 | lcarvalho | here it will not work. |
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| 18:16.04 | \amethyst | hm... wth... my web server has at some point stopped serving PHP... php5.conf and php5.load look fine |
| 18:16.07 | Titan8990 | doesn't see how people live without atleast on box/vps/shell accnt exposed to the internet |
| 18:16.14 | Titan8990 | s/on/one |
| 18:16.31 | Hydroxide | wow. that's the first time I've given support on freenode in a context where I was at least somewhat wearing my OFTC staff hat :) |
| 18:16.42 | \amethyst | and in any even haven't changed since February |
| 18:16.51 | phorce1 | lcarvalho: one other choice is that there may be a block in place for the round-robin servers. Try finding a list of the oftc member servers and testing a connect to each one directly. (ie. I am currently connected to charm.oftc.net) |
| 18:17.02 | Titan8990 | phorce1: he is gone |
| 18:17.48 | phorce1 | typed too long, distracted by a customer.<grin> |
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| 18:18.03 | Hydroxide | :) |
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| 18:19.16 | phorce1 | sulks back over to #d-ot then heads outside to put the new mirrors on the VW Kombi |
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| 18:22.13 | flo` | hi |
| 18:22.43 | flo` | i made debian boot up from a aufs. is it possible to modify that aufs now (while the system is running)? |
| 18:23.02 | flo` | i'd like to a) add a branch or b) change a branch (add data to it) |
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| 18:26.04 | abrotman | Titan8990: i meant that he's on an ISP that uses DHCP, and he got the IP of an abuser |
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| 18:30.14 | \amethyst | apparently I missed something in php5.conf... engine Off in user directories |
| 18:30.42 | \amethyst | I guess I hadn't tried accessing any PHP directories under ~ since February at least |
| 18:31.10 | \amethyst | s/PHP directories under ~/PHP pages under ~* directories/ |
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| 18:34.09 | mayfairman | Hi, I have been advised to come here with a question about dpkg confmiss |
| 18:34.21 | Amanda-B | anyone speak rtorrent? is there a way to insert an arbitrary string in the status line? i.e., to help me identify which copy of rt i'm looking at in a screen session, when i have three copies running? |
| 18:35.44 | nsadmin | Amanda-B: just an idea, maybe wastes a byte or three, but what about having three screen sessions? |
| 18:36.01 | jelly-home | Amanda-B: there's a way to make screen display a status line, showing eg. which window you're at. |
| 18:36.18 | Amanda-B | nsadmin: harder to switch between them, i.e., three terminal windows. |
| 18:36.52 | nsadmin | so these rtorrents are running in bg? |
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| 18:36.54 | Amanda-B | jelly-home: harder, and thus suboptimal. i'm researching for a user who would want to set it up in rtorrent.rc. she's having enough trouble with CTRL-A n to switch screen windows. |
| 18:37.28 | nsadmin | there's splitvt (or there was :) |
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| 18:37.54 | Amanda-B | nsadmin: why bother? screen will split :-) |
| 18:37.58 | rm | does anyone use Azureus? |
| 18:38.00 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:38.25 | nsadmin | would you want to have it that way? then each rtorrent could be in the fg of each split |
| 18:38.28 | jelly-home | !tell rm about ask |
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| 18:39.18 | nsadmin | you could have four splits so you could also have a shell split |
| 18:39.38 | rm | I wanted to know if anyone noticed azureus/JVM crashes recently, this is reported as a bug, but there's no activity around it, I can't believe just 2 people see it (me and the bug submitter) |
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| 18:39.52 | \amethyst | rm: squeeze? |
| 18:39.56 | rm | yes |
| 18:39.57 | \amethyst | rm: using Sun's Java? |
| 18:40.02 | rm | no, OpenJDK |
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| 18:40.08 | \amethyst | oh, hm |
| 18:40.09 | Amanda-B | yeah. the question is, when she switches between them, she can tell which is which, esp after she brings them back up if the machine reboots. she's not real swift on cli-based stuff, so i'm trying to minimize her setup and thinking. the cheap config file fix vs. asking her to do something. :-) |
| 18:40.18 | \amethyst | I guess it's probably not the bindv6only thing then |
| 18:40.25 | \amethyst | since that's fixed in the latest openjdk |
| 18:40.28 | nsadmin | rm: what if you talked to the bug submitter and try to discover what you have in common? |
| 18:40.30 | Amanda-B | and the point of running in screen of course is that it'll stay up when sshd disconnects her (another problem). |
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| 18:41.56 | nsadmin | Amanda-B, so she tends to be overwhelmed re: cli stuff? |
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| 18:43.03 | nsadmin | what's the situation, she is sshed into a machine that's running the screen? |
| 18:43.06 | Amanda-B | nsadmin: yes. but an X session in a vnc client negatively impacts machine performance and dramatically increases overhead and the complexity of her setup. she can do cli with practice, but switching to a gui produces another level of complexity as an admin i'd prefer to avoid. |
| 18:43.13 | Amanda-B | nsadmin: yes. it's a 100mb seedbox. |
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| 18:43.31 | Amanda-B | it fucking screams. :-) |
| 18:43.42 | nsadmin | heh |
| 18:43.57 | nsadmin | I take it it has no x client libs installed? |
| 18:44.13 | nsadmin | which is part of its screamage? |
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| 18:45.16 | rm | \amethyst, what's the symptom of the bindv6only problem in Sun's Java? I guess it's just the v4 network being inaccessible, right? |
| 18:45.22 | Amanda-B | i installed xfce and hand-compiled transmission cuz she can't deal with renaming files in mc (and she's big on spaces\ in\ filenames). but transmission is limited in a number of ways. running rtorrent in an Xterm is possible, but stupid and slow. |
| 18:45.23 | \amethyst | rm: yeah |
| 18:45.37 | rm | okay, that's not it, what I am seeing is SIGSEGV crashes of JVM |
| 18:45.42 | valdyn | Amanda-B: screen can have status lines |
| 18:45.56 | valdyn | Amanda-B: but rtorrent can be remote controlled via a web interface too... |
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| 18:46.26 | nsadmin | so the rtorrents each would have a web server embedded? |
| 18:46.32 | valdyn | no |
| 18:46.36 | Amanda-B | valdyn: that's my question. how do i insert an arbitrary string into the status line |
| 18:46.43 | valdyn | they have xmlrpc interface embedded anyway |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | Amanda-B: into the status line of screen? |
| 18:46.54 | Amanda-B | valdyn: i have rutorrent running, she's having reliability problems with it apparently |
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| 18:47.21 | Amanda-B | valdyn: yes. for example, i have two clients running, one with dht and one without. i want to stuff "with-dht" into the status line in one, "without-dht" into the status line of the other. |
| 18:47.36 | mayfairman | can someone help me with DPKG --force-confmiss--? |
| 18:47.37 | valdyn | Amanda-B: so screen could do that? |
| 18:47.49 | jelly-home | rm: for some weird reason, the azureus wrapper script forces openjdk if it finds it, I ended up editing /usr/bin/azureus back when I used it |
| 18:48.06 | rm | forces to do what |
| 18:48.06 | valdyn | Amanda-B: very easy for screen anyway |
| 18:48.07 | Amanda-B | valdyn: screen could but i want to do this in rtorrent. screen is a more complex animal, and fewer people speak it that well. :-) |
| 18:48.27 | Amanda-B | valdyn: do you know of a howto on it then? everything i find is the v simple stuff |
| 18:48.28 | jelly-home | rm: uses it no matter the configured alternative |
| 18:48.30 | rm | I don't use Sun Java, always used OpenJDK and it worked fine until like a week ago |
| 18:48.37 | valdyn | Amanda-B: a howto? |
| 18:48.37 | mayfairman | valdyn: just bumped into you on maemo room, have read the dpkg confmiss message, but the command will not go under maemo |
| 18:48.46 | jelly-home | I always use Sun Java, it's the original! |
| 18:48.49 | rm | interestingly, downgrading Azureus and OpenJDK doesn't seem to fix it |
| 18:48.53 | valdyn | mayfairman: the dpkg command wont go in maemo? |
| 18:49.04 | valdyn | mayfairman: or did you try the aptitude command ( which sure wont go ) ? |
| 18:49.07 | pipegeek | you mean Oracle java |
| 18:49.09 | Amanda-B | valdyn: i think asking for a howto if you know of one to do status lines in screen is better than point-blank asking you how to do it. i am willing to work for this some. :-) |
| 18:49.12 | rm | maybe something else changed, like glibc etc |
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| 18:49.29 | mayfairman | well yes, but the full apt-get with the force-confmiss throws an error on the reinstall option |
| 18:49.44 | nsadmin | mayfairman: take a look at man dpkg, and look for --force-confmiss, read what it says |
| 18:49.48 | valdyn | Amanda-B: you can rename screen "windows" with ctrl-a shift-a" |
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| 18:50.12 | valdyn | Amanda-B: and i could paste my screen line or you can google for screenrc that create a status line with the window names in it |
| 18:50.48 | Amanda-B | valdyn: a paste would be fantastic if it's easy |
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| 18:51.27 | mayfairman | nsadmin: I have indeed checked it, I am relatively new and may have misplaced something or got the context wrong, I am using this command (from the "/msg dpkg confmiss):- |
| 18:51.27 | mayfairman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"-- reinstall lirc |
| 18:51.50 | valdyn | mayfairman: i guess they might have trimmed apt-get somehow, but probably dpkg works |
| 18:52.06 | valdyn | mayfairman: you have an error in that line |
| 18:52.18 | valdyn | apt-get install -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall lirc |
| 18:52.21 | mayfairman | ah, I thought I might |
| 18:52.37 | valdyn | Amanda-B: https://valdyn.org/.screenrc |
| 18:52.50 | nsadmin | wouldn't the option go before the "install"? |
| 18:53.13 | valdyn | nsadmin: irrelevant I think |
| 18:53.43 | mayfairman | this is a copy from .msg dpkg confmiss:- |
| 18:53.44 | mayfairman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:54.04 | valdyn | mayfairman: same thing, yea |
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| 18:54.20 | valdyn | mayfairman: or "dpkg --force-confmiss -i file.deb" |
| 18:54.23 | rzeka | I've got a problem with debian and php. When - in terminal - I use date and php's time(), both are same (example: http://paste-it.net/public/g06ea38/). But when I use mktime, on website php prints different time (1 hour back) |
| 18:54.26 | Titan8990 | valdyn: "On this page I have various things, mostly collected at random." in german repeated... is that right? |
| 18:54.32 | nsadmin | how do you use somethign that has xmlrpc as a web frontend? |
| 18:54.34 | valdyn | Titan8990: yea |
| 18:54.50 | vasundhar | Why Epiphany browser on debian is gecko based ? |
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| 18:55.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: someone writes a php frontend to run in apache for example |
| 18:55.24 | valdyn | nsadmin: but its just an interface, you can telnet it or whatever |
| 18:55.43 | Amanda-B | valdyn: tyvm |
| 18:56.12 | nsadmin | oh... so xmlrpc -being- a web frontend is not exactly right |
| 18:56.35 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea, web frontends access rtorrent via xmlrpc |
| 18:56.47 | mayfairman | right, im now using apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="force-confmiss"--reinstall install lirc |
| 18:56.53 | valdyn | nsadmin: the point is that the ui, and the php crap all can run elsewhere |
| 18:57.04 | Amanda-B | valdyn: is it possible to stuff a screen's title into a script? i.e., i'm in a screen, run a script, and the script changes the title? that would be BEST |
| 18:57.12 | mayfairman | it says newsest version already in so its not trying to redo my confs by the looks of it |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | mayfairman: you miss a space there... before --reinstall |
| 18:57.23 | nsadmin | mayfairman you need a space after miss" |
| 18:57.36 | \amethyst | rzeka: hm... does PHP use the same timezone? |
| 18:57.39 | mayfairman | that gives me operation invalid reinstall |
| 18:57.46 | valdyn | mayfairman: you should use ssh to your n900 so you can cut & paste |
| 18:58.13 | mayfairman | OK, sounds like a plan, will try again, thanks for help though all |
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| 18:58.18 | valdyn | mayfairman: im sure it works, but ill try for you |
| 18:58.21 | mayfairman | valdyn: Thanks |
| 18:58.33 | nsadmin | mayfairman after miss" NOT after miss"-- |
| 18:59.27 | \amethyst | rzeka: or is it reporting CET instead of CEST? |
| 18:59.27 | mayfairman | OK, that didnt throw any errors, but lirc.conf and hardware.conf still MIA |
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| 19:00.18 | nsadmin | mayfairman, as you can see you need to be careful with the shell... some commands can affect your whole system and do stuff to every dir or every dir inside a particular dir |
| 19:00.52 | nsadmin | misplaced space can change the meaning, misplaced space can change the scope |
| 19:01.15 | mayfairman | OK, I will stop faffing and will SSH in now and have a go |
| 19:01.16 | valdyn | mayfairman: working.. you just keep missing that space i think |
| 19:01.19 | rzeka | \amethyst, cest :) i posted it right from terminal. php has same (Europe/Berlin in both cases) |
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| 19:04.17 | nsadmin | why would php have a timezone? |
| 19:04.20 | Amanda-B | no wonder it's not reading the new rcfile. (duh) |
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| 19:05.23 | \amethyst | nsadmin: mktime() converts a broken-down local time into a timestamp |
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| 19:05.28 | \amethyst | nsadmin: so it needs the timezone |
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| 19:05.38 | \amethyst | nsadmin: and PHP does not like taking the timezone from the system |
| 19:05.44 | nsadmin | instead, functions that convert localtime to/from utc should take timezone as a parameter |
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| 19:06.56 | nsadmin | isn't that a design goof? what about sites that serve content to more than just one tz? |
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| 19:07.41 | wols | nsadmin: ever wondered why all fora have tz settings for user accounts? now you know |
| 19:07.58 | \amethyst | nsadmin: I guess you're supposed to call date_default_timezone_set() with the user's timezone |
| 19:08.02 | pinoyoragon | Hi. I'm looking for a mid-lever server hardware to be used as ldap, local mail, & proxy server to a SME. any suggestions? |
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| 19:08.25 | pinoyoragon | i prefer blade |
| 19:08.30 | wols | pinoyoragon: ##hardware. but with this requirement you can use an embedded arm cpu |
| 19:08.32 | nsadmin | it's to be mounted on the middle lever? |
| 19:08.46 | wols | pinoyoragon: we prefer that people ask debian related questions. and yours isn't |
| 19:08.51 | pinoyoragon | nsadmin: mid-level |
| 19:09.10 | pinoyoragon | wols: oh sorry... |
| 19:09.26 | nsadmin | what's a fora? |
| 19:09.39 | wols | plural of forum. mind your latin |
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| 19:13.18 | xente | does anyone know if freeradius supports PEAP out-of-the-box when installed from the repos? |
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| 19:13.55 | nsadmin | get its source pkg and check debian/rules for the configure step and see |
| 19:13.56 | \amethyst | rzeka: you're passing -1 as the is_dst parameter, or leaving it out, right? |
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| 19:14.19 | xente | nsadmin: good idea, I was just hoping someone knew for sure |
| 19:14.44 | nsadmin | the source knows for sure, and if you check it, so will you |
| 19:16.52 | xente | indeed |
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| 19:18.01 | nsadmin | personally... I don't know what PEAP is, and also don't know for sure how one would arrange for freeradius to support it |
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| 19:18.55 | nsadmin | but if it's done in the freeradius configure step, you will likely find that somewhere in debian/rules |
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| 19:19.57 | andy_t_roo | is "apt-get install tk" is the correct command to install tk? |
| 19:20.08 | simonrvn | !search |
| 19:20.08 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 19:20.21 | nsadmin | well you could consider aptitude instead of apt-get, especially if you are using lenny or after |
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| 19:20.26 | simonrvn | search for the right package name first |
| 19:21.06 | andy_t_roo | simonrvn: i don't actually have debian installed, what i'm trying to do is write installation instructions for something else, which only has dependencies of X and tk |
| 19:21.42 | simonrvn | then packages.debian.org is your friend, and so's aptitude ;) |
| 19:22.20 | nsadmin | andy_t_roo, are you sure you want to fly blind? do you have a spare hd or machine you could put it on |
| 19:22.53 | wols | andy_t_roo: VMs are a wonderful thing for such things |
| 19:23.36 | andy_t_roo | simonrvn: yeah, i was just trying to avoid the situation of building a set of debian, ubuntu, redhat,... machines just to test 1 instruction on them |
| 19:24.14 | simonrvn | because "tk" isn't exactly the package name, but close, and it's better to have the real package name. get my drift? |
| 19:24.20 | simonrvn | i understand |
| 19:24.39 | andy_t_roo | simonrvn: it isn't? -- http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libs/tk |
| 19:25.04 | andy_t_roo | The tk part of that command was what i thought i had right :( |
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| 19:25.46 | simonrvn | tk is a meta-package, which would bring in the default tk, which could be 8.4, 8.5 |
| 19:26.06 | simonrvn | so technically it's correct, unless you need a specific version |
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| 19:26.25 | simonrvn | which otherwise you'd use the one with a version attached ;) |
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| 19:27.49 | simonrvn | andy_t_roo: so if you don't, then just using 'tk' is completely fine |
| 19:28.07 | xente | anyone else here that knows what PEAP is and if freeradius supports it out of the box? |
| 19:28.28 | nsadmin | so you didn't check yourself |
| 19:29.01 | xente | I did check and I don't know if the configure script configures it or no automatically |
| 19:29.07 | Titan8990 | xente: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Extensible_Authentication_Protocol |
| 19:29.17 | xente | I know what PEAP is |
| 19:29.19 | Titan8990 | xente: and no, I don't think that it does because of licensing issues with openssl |
| 19:29.36 | xente | Titan8990: thanks, that's what I'm looking for |
| 19:29.47 | Titan8990 | !tell xente about package recompile |
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| 19:30.00 | xente | thanks |
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| 19:31.37 | MojoPikon | Hi =) |
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| 19:32.33 | siyb | hi, i am running bind 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P3-1 and did "grep -ir log *" in /etc/bind which returned nothing, still bind loggs in daemon and messages |
| 19:32.45 | siyb | how would i turn that off |
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| 19:34.05 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.34 | nsadmin | from the source, in debian/rules, at the point of the ./configure script |
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| 19:34.43 | Titan8990 | ,versions bind9 |
| 19:34.44 | judd | bind9 -- etch: 1:9.3.4-2etch4; etch-security: 1:9.3.4-2etch6; lenny: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P3-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1; squeeze: 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1 |
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| 19:35.07 | Titan8990 | siyb: using a version that is not in debian? |
| 19:35.25 | siyb | Titan8990: nope, just outdated |
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| 19:35.29 | siyb | let me update |
| 19:35.56 | nsadmin | EXACTLY where I thought it would be |
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| 19:36.18 | Titan8990 | siyb: anyways... grepping existing config files is no substitute for reading the docs |
| 19:36.22 | siyb | Titan8990: now using bind9 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1 |
| 19:36.54 | nsadmin | so the backport one |
| 19:37.09 | nsadmin | err no, the sid/squeeze one |
| 19:37.14 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: its the same as the sid/squeeze one |
| 19:37.32 | Titan8990 | ah, well dpo does have ~bpo appended |
| 19:37.37 | Titan8990 | s/dpo/bpo |
| 19:38.20 | jelly-home | Titan8990: expression #1, char 9: unterminated `s' command |
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| 19:39.09 | nsadmin | *nod* frumiously so |
| 19:39.15 | Titan8990 | gah, can't even escape the world of syntax errors in IRC |
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| 19:40.34 | Titan8990 | uses M-x replace-string anyways |
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| 19:41.28 | jelly-home | keyboards with Meta are nice |
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| 19:45.27 | siyb | Titan8990: i can't find anything mentioning logging in the doc |
| 19:46.01 | siyb | except for stuff that does not apply to my problem |
| 19:46.04 | abrotman | siyb: in the bind ARM ? |
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| 19:47.11 | Traveler6 | hi, where do i go to download facebook private viewer? |
| 19:47.22 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | Traveler6: ask #facebook |
| 19:47.40 | Traveler6 | k |
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| 19:50.29 | konr | Is there a program that lists that lets me pick from a menu the servers to be inserted at /etc/apt/sources ? |
| 19:51.15 | abrotman | konr: not anymore .. there are programs to automate that, or you can learn how yourself |
| 19:51.26 | abrotman | but not actually pick a server through some interface |
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| 19:52.13 | Elirips | Hello. Is there a program in debian that can generate UML diagrams from existing java-source-files? |
| 19:52.52 | siyb | Elirips: netbeans? |
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| 19:53.28 | Elirips | siyb, netbeans can do that? |
| 19:53.37 | Elirips | siyb, wow, thanks. i'll give it a try |
| 19:53.43 | siyb | Elirips: sure, it features an uml plugin |
| 19:54.03 | Elirips | siyb, great, thanks a lot :) |
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| 20:06.10 | unixp | where can i tipp in smb://192.... if i go to computer and choose "go to" it doesnt work to type smb: ... |
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| 20:07.04 | Hydroxide | unixp: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:07.23 | unixp | Hydroxide, 2.6 an use Xfce |
| 20:07.37 | Hydroxide | unixp: 2.6 isn't a version of Debian |
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| 20:08.00 | Hydroxide | unixp: is this Debian 4.0 etch? Debian 5.0 lenny? Something older or newer? not Debian at all? |
| 20:08.07 | unixp | mom |
| 20:08.35 | Hydroxide | unixp: type 'cat /etc/debian_version' in a terminal window |
| 20:08.38 | Hydroxide | unixp: what does that say? |
| 20:08.56 | unixp | Hydroxide, 5.04 |
| 20:09.01 | unixp | net install was it |
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| 20:09.12 | Hydroxide | unixp: ok, you sound like you're running a very out of date version of ubuntu |
| 20:09.31 | Titan8990 | Hydroxide: huh? 5.04 is current stable |
| 20:09.37 | Hydroxide | Titan8990: no, 5.0.4 is :) |
| 20:09.40 | unixp | ubuntu? no |
| 20:09.43 | Titan8990 | Hydroxide: ah, right |
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| 20:10.12 | unixp | oh sry im wrong |
| 20:10.17 | unixp | of cource 5.0.4 |
| 20:10.20 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 20:10.39 | Hydroxide | in that case, this is the right channel... does anyone know xfce's UI well enough to help him? :) |
| 20:10.41 | wols | unixp: you'd neeed gnome for this afaik. thunar from xfce can't do it |
| 20:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | How do I grep a file then strip blank lines out of the output? |
| 20:10.49 | unixp | i only want to connect to a windows pc via smb client |
| 20:11.03 | wols | unixp: mount -t smbfs then |
| 20:11.09 | Titan8990 | Hydroxide: yes, and xfce's file browser does not support what he needs. dolphin and nautilus do |
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| 20:11.14 | Hydroxide | ok |
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| 20:11.43 | Hydroxide | there is probably also a gui samba browser he can install, but yes, wols's solution is probably the most flexible |
| 20:11.49 | Titan8990 | he could mount the network share via "mount" or fstab and then browse to in thunar (which is what I do at work) |
| 20:11.54 | jhutchins_lt | Will firefox/iceweasel support smb? |
| 20:12.02 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: doubtful |
| 20:12.10 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
| 20:12.11 | wols | jhutchins_lt: it's a _browser_ |
| 20:12.25 | jhutchins_lt | konqueror (kde) will. |
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| 20:12.28 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: except wols's way and Titan8990's way would also work with firefox/iceweasel and every other app |
| 20:12.43 | wols | konqueror is a filemanager. firefox is not |
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| 20:12.47 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: yeah, konqueror does the whole everything-in-the-web-browser window, at least in kde3 |
| 20:13.07 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: How about "grep -v '^$'" or "grep -v '^[[:space:]]$'"? |
| 20:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | grep -v '^$' - thanks karlpinc |
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| 20:16.20 | unixp | Titan8990, how especially work the mount code? first i need to create a mountpoint or? /dev/windows for example, easily by tipping mount -t smbfs 192.168.1.3 |
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| 20:16.59 | lantizia | Hey I have the strangest problem, my debian box can be reached via SSH requests on the local network but not externally on the net... however I've eliminated the connection and routing equipment (firewalls etc) as if you put another box on the same internal IP of this box, SSH responds fine |
| 20:17.16 | lantizia | however I don't use iptables or anything, so nothing should be blocking outside requests... it's not just SSH either |
| 20:17.58 | petemc | lantizia: does the box have a gateway address configured? |
| 20:18.12 | lantizia | petemc, yes, set correctly |
| 20:18.46 | Titan8990 | unixp: mkdir /mnt/foo; mount -t smbfs -o user=foo,password=bar //ipaddress/sharename /mnt/foo |
| 20:18.51 | petemc | lantizia: does telnet to port 22 work? |
| 20:19.28 | lantizia | petemc, locally yes, externally no |
| 20:19.36 | petemc | Titan8990: cifs is perferable to smbfs, no? |
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| 20:20.03 | petemc | lantizia: and what happens when you try externally? timeout, connection refused? |
| 20:20.19 | lantizia | petemc, Connection timed out |
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| 20:21.05 | Titan8990 | petemc: no idea.. mount mount.smbfs goes to mount.cifs |
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| 20:21.39 | petemc | lantizia: what is between the debian box and the outside world? |
| 20:22.10 | lantizia | petemc, a router with the debian box on DMZ (for now to eliminate as much as I can) and an ADSL connection |
| 20:22.59 | nsadmin | How can I find why fglrx is segfaulting? url of log: http://pastebin.ca/1870285 |
| 20:23.34 | petemc | lantizia: i find dmz a confusing vague term, but id suggest looking into that side of things |
| 20:24.20 | lantizia | petemc, I already have - it's fine... if I put another debian box on that externally facing IP things work fine |
| 20:24.27 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: bug report? |
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| 20:25.14 | unixp | Titan8990, mh by tipping your code, it says: Mounting the DFS root for a particular server not implemented yet |
| 20:25.14 | unixp | No ip address specified and hostname not found |
| 20:25.31 | unixp | Titan8990, but the IP client is reachable |
| 20:25.42 | Titan8990 | unixp: sounds like you didn't specify a share name and tried to give it the root on the server |
| 20:25.48 | Titan8990 | as the error message says... |
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| 20:26.27 | unixp | first i create : mkdir /mnt/foo |
| 20:26.33 | unixp | Titan8990, then your code |
| 20:26.55 | unixp | do i need a share name? |
| 20:27.37 | unixp | is it doesnt enough to say 192.168.1.3/ |
| 20:28.22 | Titan8990 | no, windows does not even do that |
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| 20:28.38 | Titan8990 | you have to specify a share to mount, you can't mount all the shares |
| 20:28.50 | Titan8990 | well, you can, but individually |
| 20:28.57 | unixp | Titan8990, ok with share name it says: mount error: mount point /mnt/foo does not exist |
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| 20:29.05 | unixp | but it exists oO |
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| 20:37.30 | nsadmin | , versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 20:37.32 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.12.6-1; sid: 1:6.13.0-1 |
| 20:37.46 | simonrvn | how sweet it is |
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| 20:39.03 | nsadmin | , versions libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:39.06 | judd | libgl1-mesa-dri -- etch: 6.5.1-0.6; lenny: 7.0.3-7; sid: 7.7.1-1; squeeze: 7.7.1-1; experimental: 7.8.1-1 |
| 20:39.15 | isfranc | hello |
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| 20:40.06 | isfranc | how i can have in my X session, a soft in other X machine xdmcp is on |
| 20:40.19 | linduxed | if i see a lot of the following line |
| 20:40.20 | linduxed | Apr 20 04:20:41 myserver sshd[8640]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 92-19-65-61.savecom.net.tw [61.65.19.92] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 20:40.21 | isfranc | i am in 192.168.1 |
| 20:40.42 | linduxed | inside my /var/log/auth.log, what should i do about it? |
| 20:40.47 | isfranc | i am 192.168.0.1 and i wanna use kompozer on 192.168.0.2 ? |
| 20:40.50 | linduxed | or rather, what can i do about it? |
| 20:41.15 | simonrvn | linduxed: think about switching ports and/or doing some creative iptables filtering |
| 20:41.29 | simonrvn | using recent |
| 20:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | linduxed, if it's from an unknown ip, it probably is - use something like fail2ban perhaps? |
| 20:42.41 | \amethyst | linduxed: the error is because 61.65.19.92 reverses to 92-19-65-61.savecom.net.tw but the latter does not resolve |
| 20:42.48 | simonrvn | isfranc: you could forward x and use ssh instead, or vnc it, or some other thing |
| 20:42.52 | linduxed | simonrvn: i'm not very familiar with iptables tbh |
| 20:43.02 | \amethyst | linduxed: do you expect anyone from that address to be connecting? |
| 20:43.03 | linduxed | CutMeOwnThroat: i've already got fail2ban going |
| 20:43.21 | linduxed | \amethyst: no, i dont |
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| 20:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | linduxed, that should drastically limit the amount of attempts someone can make... |
| 20:44.12 | isfranc | simonrvn: i wanna only the software not the complete X session |
| 20:44.22 | isfranc | X :1 -query is ok |
| 20:44.23 | linduxed | CutMeOwnThroat: oh fail2ban sure has cleaned up the log |
| 20:44.38 | simonrvn | linduxed: go to google, type in 'ssh iptables RECENT' and you'll find half a dozen "tutorials" dealing with this |
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| 20:45.03 | linduxed | simonrvn: will do |
| 20:45.05 | \amethyst | in this case the error is not because of maliciousness, but because of an incompetent ISP |
| 20:45.23 | jelly-home | fail2ban does the same thing, pretty much |
| 20:45.29 | ra | plz can anyone tell me how to install fbsplash ? |
| 20:45.32 | simonrvn | if it works |
| 20:45.32 | \amethyst | the *connection* is probably malicious, but it doesn't look like someone is forging their reverse lookup or something |
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| 20:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | right :) |
| 20:46.04 | \amethyst | apparently customers of savecom.net.tw can't ssh anywhere :) |
| 20:46.51 | sigmonsays | is there a way to override the package name when calling dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 20:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, you're right |
| 20:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't know that can happen at all |
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| 20:47.53 | ra | anyone ?! |
| 20:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd think lookups and reverse lookups use the same data base |
| 20:48.25 | jelly-home | reverse lookups CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 20:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | reverses jelly-homes lookup |
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| 20:50.55 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: edit debian/control and related files? |
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| 20:51.41 | sigmonsays | jelly-home, I suppose but that's lame |
| 20:51.42 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: they're two separate zones, and it's entirely possible to put stuff in the in-addr.arpa. zone that doesn't have a corresponding entry in the isp.net zone |
| 20:51.47 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: or vice versa |
| 20:52.20 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: no, that's how source packages work |
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| 20:57.54 | karlpinc | was just looking at /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and http://linux.die.net/man/1/dbus-uuidgen and was again reaffirmed that using anything but apt to clone a machine is a bad idea. Yet people keep trying. |
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| 20:59.09 | oconnore_ | Hi, I have a relatively default debian install. Should I expect there to be a firewall? |
| 20:59.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 21:00.12 | oconnore_ | hmm, i have a port being blocked... |
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| 21:01.07 | karlpinc | oconnore_: How do you know? |
| 21:01.09 | allure | How do I install gnome-sound-properties? My installation does't have that. |
| 21:01.26 | karlpinc | !tell allure about apt-file |
| 21:01.36 | allure | thanks |
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| 21:02.20 | SerajewelKS | sigmonsays: source packages can generate any number of binary packages. it's not as simple as "overriding" the generate package name, because there may very well be more than one. |
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| 21:03.28 | sigmonsays | makes sense SerajewelKS |
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| 21:06.43 | greedo | i'm having a problem with lpr, i have cups installed but everytime send a document to a network printer with lpr nothing prints |
| 21:06.57 | greedo | lpq reports Warning: no daemon present |
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| 21:09.12 | jelly-home | greedo: does printing a test page from cups' web interface at http://localhost:631/ work? |
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| 21:09.34 | jelly-home | greedo: also: cups uses "lp" and "lpstat" natively, not "lpr" and "lpq" |
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| 21:09.59 | greedo | jelly-home: yes, i can print a test page from the cups web interface |
| 21:10.00 | jelly-home | greedo: you might be having bits of a different printing system installed. |
| 21:10.13 | jelly-home | greedo: dpkg -S `which lpr` ? |
| 21:10.17 | LordV | I know there is a util with a name something like pam-auth-update or something. I can't find it. I seem to remember if I did a dpkg-reconfigure of the right package, I can rebuild my pam setup w/ a TUI wizard... what's the name of it? |
| 21:10.31 | LordV | (or do I have to isntall something?) |
| 21:10.55 | jelly-home | !tell LordV about search |
| 21:10.59 | greedo | jelly-home: lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 21:12.07 | LordV | jelly-home: I didn't come in here until I'd searched. I know the program is there. I was hoping somebody knew the name of it. Do you? |
| 21:12.16 | jelly-home | greedo: that's the other printing system. Remove that package. If applications absolutely require a lpr binary, you'll have to install cups-bsd |
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| 21:12.58 | jelly-home | LordV: how exactly did you search? What is it supposed to do? |
| 21:13.34 | LordV | this program (or reconfigure) lets you pick what auth you want on the system, like samba or kerberos (I want kerberos) and then rebuilds /etc/pam.d/* based on that |
| 21:13.36 | jelly-home | LordV: did you use apt-file to search for files? |
| 21:14.02 | LordV | apt-FILE? that's a new one on me. however, none of the libpam* comes with a binary that does this |
| 21:14.20 | LordV | and I apparently don't have apt-file |
| 21:14.21 | greedo | jelly-home: so, i should use lp to do any printing from now on? |
| 21:14.32 | jelly-home | greedo: yes. |
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| 21:14.57 | greedo | jelly-home: i just need a way to print from a terminal |
| 21:15.09 | jelly-home | that |
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| 21:15.22 | jelly-home | 's pretty much it, just replace lpr usage with lp |
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| 21:15.59 | jelly-home | ,file pam-auth-update |
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| 21:16.01 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:16.02 | valdyn | greedo: lpr from the cups-bsd or cupsys-bsd package |
| 21:16.08 | jelly-home | ,file bin/pam-auth-update |
| 21:16.10 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:16.12 | valdyn | greedo: i dont think you really want to use native lpr |
| 21:16.22 | jelly-home | LordV: which deiban release are you using? |
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| 21:16.30 | LordV | and the really fun part is, I found sometghing online for "setting up samba auth with lenny" but i'm on lenny and I don't see it |
| 21:16.44 | greedo | valdyn: so I can use lp to print from the terminal? |
| 21:16.47 | jelly-home | ,file bin/pam-auth-update --release squeeze |
| 21:16.50 | judd | bin/pam-auth-update in squeeze/i386: libpam-runtime: usr/sbin/pam-auth-update |
| 21:16.54 | valdyn | greedo: lpr, not lp |
| 21:16.58 | jelly-home | LordV: see, it's only in squeeze |
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| 21:17.28 | LordV | oic. great. so does that mean I do palm mods manually or else update to squeeze? :) |
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| 21:17.34 | jelly-home | LordV: sounds like you might have to do some EDITING |
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| 21:17.48 | LordV | k |
| 21:18.06 | LordV | i was gonna do that but I got the (mistaken) impression that wizard-happy auto-setup was preferred. |
| 21:18.21 | valdyn | greedo: looks like both is ok, i never used "lp" though, just "lpr" |
| 21:18.39 | jelly-home | LordV: provided existence of such a wizard, possibly |
| 21:18.52 | jelly-home | lp is cups' native interface! |
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| 21:19.07 | greedo | valdyn: lp appears to be working fine :-) |
| 21:19.09 | jelly-home | you save countless bits using lp |
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| 21:19.28 | gyyrog | I need to search a text file for a word and then delete that line and the next. How should I do this? |
| 21:19.40 | valdyn | greedo: yea, i see its in cups-client and the manpage.... |
| 21:20.03 | jelly-home | all the men/ladies/littlefurrycreaturesfromAcentauri love the lp wielding person |
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| 21:20.55 | LordV | gyyrog: in vim, you could vim filename, then type: "/word_you're_looking_for<enter>", then type: "2dd" then write n quit with: ":wq" |
| 21:20.56 | karlpinc | gyyrog: awk/perl/python/etc. |
| 21:21.19 | jelly-home | karlpinc: that's an answer for ANY question. |
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| 21:21.33 | gyyrog | I will be doing it from a c++ program. With a system call probably. how would you do this with awk? |
| 21:21.37 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Sure. That makes it a really _good_ answer! |
| 21:21.54 | jelly-home | karlpinc: s/good/useless/, and I'll even agree! |
| 21:22.41 | karlpinc | gyyrog: Using a BEGIN match you set a flag saying whether the line you want was seen. Then test it as awk goes through each line. |
| 21:23.04 | greedo | can lp do duplex? |
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| 21:23.14 | karlpinc | jelly-home: All the best answers are useless. The questions are the important part. :) |
| 21:23.33 | jelly-home | 42 |
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| 21:26.37 | qbwdp | allo allo |
| 21:26.54 | jelly-home | zis is nighthawk callink |
| 21:27.09 | w3gi | hallo... i have a question: does somebody know the endian-wall distro? |
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| 21:27.45 | qbwdp | at the end of lenny install, at the section that says bootload, if i give it /dev/md0, will the bootsector go to both hd0 and hd1? |
| 21:27.56 | linduxed | i just tried typing "sudo ntpd -qg" but all i get is error code 1 |
| 21:28.03 | linduxed | and the time hasn't changed |
| 21:28.15 | linduxed | it's off by about two hours |
| 21:28.56 | qbwdp | ntpdate -u 1.pool.ntp.org |
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| 21:29.46 | karlpinc | qbwdp: That's an interesting question. I would be safe and re-run grub-install (or whatever) after reboot to get the bootloader on the other disk. |
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| 21:31.07 | qbwdp | karlpinc: nice, i'll test it out and see if it goes to hd0 and hd1 |
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| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | qbwdp: hm, does your md0 really span whole disks? |
| 21:31.48 | JordiGH | wtf is going on with the libdirectfb packages in squeeze? |
| 21:31.59 | JordiGH | "1.2.10really1.2.8-1+b1" |
| 21:32.04 | JordiGH | What kind of version number is that? |
| 21:32.22 | jelly-home | JordiGH: my WILD guess is it's 1.2.8, really. |
| 21:32.43 | JordiGH | jelly-home: The package is libdirectfb-1.2.9 |
| 21:32.44 | qbwdp | jelly-home: no, i have swap on there but outside of the raid, i have sda1 and then sda2+sdb2 = md0 |
| 21:32.57 | JordiGH | libdirectfb-1.2-9, sorry |
| 21:33.00 | Titan8990 | what would cause fdisk to print drives in the order: a -> c -> b? |
| 21:33.10 | jelly-home | package names are irrelevant, JordiGH |
| 21:33.18 | JordiGH | No, they shouldn't be. |
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| 21:33.32 | JordiGH | Libraries may need their soname in the package name. |
| 21:33.44 | jelly-home | they're not used to denote software versions. |
| 21:34.07 | JordiGH | But when a library package can't make up its mind what version it is... |
| 21:34.13 | Titan8990 | has some wierdness with grub/fdisk drive mappings and can't descide what to file a bug report against |
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| 21:34.19 | JordiGH | 1.2-8 1.2.9 or 1.2-10 |
| 21:34.28 | jelly-home | neither |
| 21:34.37 | jelly-home | dots are not minuses |
| 21:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | Nor are they dashes. |
| 21:34.54 | JordiGH | jelly-home: But really, it's what it looks like. |
| 21:35.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: hush! |
| 21:35.08 | JordiGH | Like it's mixing Debian revisions with upstream subminor versions. |
| 21:35.11 | JordiGH | wtf is going on? |
| 21:35.14 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it's 1.2.8, really. |
| 21:35.27 | JordiGH | Is that .8 or -8? |
| 21:35.30 | jelly-home | there is no mixing of debian revisions at all |
| 21:35.33 | Titan8990 | In grub-legacy, I booted with: root(hd0,0) (which was /dev/sdc1, fdisk was reading in the order c -> b -> a) at the time. Now that I have had some system changes I see that fdisk order is a -> c -> b and grub-pc boots using root(hd2,1) |
| 21:35.56 | Titan8990 | should I file a bug report against the kernel? |
| 21:36.10 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: udev |
| 21:36.10 | JordiGH | C'mon, I've read policy. You can't just put whatever string you want in the version number. |
| 21:36.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: read its changelog and/or blame the maintainer for the fugly version |
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| 21:36.26 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: ah, that does make more sense |
| 21:37.12 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: udev is sorta the universal we-don't-understand-it-but-it-must-be-broken-somewhere scapegoat. |
| 21:37.23 | jelly-home | JordiGH: my guess is, they considered that 2really1 nicer than 1:1 |
| 21:38.23 | JordiGH | Looks like it's an attempt to patch #569815 |
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| 21:39.50 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: nah, we evolved to blaming dbus + hal or devicekit, whatever be used in a release |
| 21:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | refuses to evolve, he'd rather fossilize. |
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| 21:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, enough with the day-long keyboard:face smack trying to implement freeradius2 (first, open a subspace channel to vger and 27 other servers). |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchins_lt | lawnmore time. |
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| 21:43.59 | \amethyst | JordiGH: libdirectfb-1.2-0 provides a library with the soname libdirectfb-1.2.so.0 |
| 21:44.19 | \amethyst | JordiGH: whereas libdirectfb-1.2-9 provides one with the soname libdirectfb-1.2.so.9 |
| 21:44.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: so the hyphen is separating the API version from the ABI version |
| 21:45.33 | JordiGH | Hm. That might explain why I have both installed. |
| 21:45.42 | JordiGH | And uswsusp depends on -0 |
| 21:45.44 | \amethyst | JordiGH: i.e. the library name is libdirectfb-1.2 and the soversion is 9 |
| 21:46.14 | JordiGH | \amethyst: That still doesn't explain "1.2.10really1.2.8-1+b1" |
| 21:46.28 | JordiGH | Aptitude can't figure out how to upgrade this. |
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| 21:46.44 | eryn_1983 | stupid usb is not working on debian lenny why why why? |
| 21:47.17 | eryn_1983 | ok its not debian its virtualbox |
| 21:47.24 | \amethyst | JordiGH: from the changelog: Restore directfb 1.2.8 as 1.2.10really1.2.8 to avoid more breakage during libjpeg transition. |
| 21:47.39 | Titan8990 | eryn_1983: you have to have proprietary vbox with guest additions installed |
| 21:47.41 | \amethyst | JordiGH: someone screwed up and didn't want to make an epoch for a temporary reversion |
| 21:47.49 | Titan8990 | eryn_1983: anymore problems, ask #vbox |
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| 21:49.02 | eryn_1983 | ofcourse |
| 21:49.09 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Hm. |
| 21:49.30 | eryn_1983 | i virtualbox-3.1 - Sun VirtualBox |
| 21:49.48 | JordiGH | The free virtual box doesn't do USB? |
| 21:49.58 | \amethyst | nope |
| 21:50.04 | jelly-home | JordiGH: didn't do USB2 last time I used it |
| 21:50.16 | eryn_1983 | their both free as in beer, the free as in freedom one does not do usb |
| 21:50.34 | RichiH | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-0098 does not say anything about volatile... |
| 21:50.51 | RichiH | other than the changelog, what is the canonical way to look this up? |
| 21:51.06 | JordiGH | eryn_1983: You're in #debian, only one kind of free matters here. |
| 21:51.22 | gyyrog | sed '/pattern/d' |
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| 21:51.28 | jelly-home | RichiH: isn't volatile typically a backport of sid or testing. |
| 21:51.29 | gyyrog | how do I get sed to delete the next line as well? |
| 21:51.38 | KinkyKamikaze | Anyone know of a good IRC bouncer that can run on Debian (*nix in general)? |
| 21:51.39 | jelly-home | ,versions clamav-daemon |
| 21:51.41 | judd | clamav-daemon -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-1 |
| 21:52.03 | JordiGH | KinkyKamikaze: Bouncer? Isn't that the ircd's job? |
| 21:52.08 | RichiH | jegood point. in that case, we are vulnerable |
| 21:52.14 | RichiH | goes upgrade |
| 21:52.20 | WierdAAR | Basically.. Debian rule..Even though i have to figure out everything, once you get just a bit of an understanding it really rules hehe |
| 21:52.23 | Titan8990 | RichiH: I got it via mailing list... people being told to move to volatile |
| 21:52.44 | KinkyKamikaze | JordiGH: Like a proxy to keep your connection alive, I am sick and tired of irssi through the SHELL |
| 21:52.59 | Titan8990 | RichiH: debian-security list it looks like |
| 21:53.21 | Titan8990 | RichiH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile/2010/04/msg00012.html |
| 21:53.43 | JordiGH | KinkyKamikaze: Hm, why not use screen? And ssh dynamic port forwarding? |
| 21:54.20 | JordiGH | No, I guess that's not what you want... |
| 21:54.23 | KinkyKamikaze | JordiGH: Dunno how to? |
| 21:54.27 | KinkyKamikaze | JordiGH: Probably not :-) |
| 21:54.31 | JordiGH | You are using screen, aren't you? |
| 21:54.36 | KinkyKamikaze | Just a simple bouncer, that I can connect to some irc servers, and use bitlbee |
| 21:54.41 | KinkyKamikaze | JordiGH: Yeah screen and running irssi on it |
| 21:54.59 | JordiGH | And you just don't want to ever show offline? |
| 21:55.12 | KinkyKamikaze | Yeah pretty much |
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| 21:55.20 | jelly-home | and lose street cred? |
| 21:55.23 | KinkyKamikaze | Like right now, except I wanna run a GUI irc that isn't written in Perl. |
| 21:55.27 | JordiGH | jelly-home: net cred |
| 21:55.37 | KinkyKamikaze | Guys, I'd like to be accessable. |
| 21:55.42 | KinkyKamikaze | Email, twitter, msn, irc |
| 21:55.48 | KinkyKamikaze | All of those goes through my irssi |
| 21:55.48 | jelly-home | accessorize, then |
| 21:55.50 | JordiGH | WE MUST BE WIRED AT ALL TIMES |
| 21:55.53 | KinkyKamikaze | hehe |
| 21:56.04 | JordiGH | KinkyKamikaze: Are you that interesting? You seem rather boring so far. |
| 21:56.07 | Titan8990 | ehh, why did screen + irssi not accomplish this along? (does for me) |
| 21:56.12 | KinkyKamikaze | hehe :-) JordiGH you are correct. |
| 21:56.17 | Titan8990 | s/along/alone/ |
| 21:56.17 | KinkyKamikaze | Look, Do you know of a good bouncer daemon I could use that easy custmozible or are you gonna keep mocking me :-) |
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| 21:57.20 | SerajewelKS | YOUR FACE IS CUSTOMIZABLE |
| 21:57.23 | KinkyKamikaze | =) |
| 21:57.29 | SerajewelKS | or rather |
| 21:57.37 | SerajewelKS | I'M GONNA CUSTOMIZE YOUR FACE WITH MY FIST |
| 21:57.41 | SerajewelKS | there, do i win at troll? |
| 21:57.49 | jelly-home | apt-cache search bnc |grep -i irc doesn't show anything I've ever had the misfortune to deal with |
| 21:57.57 | themill | removes a caps lock key or two |
| 21:58.06 | SerajewelKS | themill: :( |
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| 21:58.21 | jelly-home | themill: they're doing it with Shift. |
| 21:58.28 | themill | oh. that's ok then |
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| 21:58.33 | SerajewelKS | KinkyKamikaze: znc? |
| 21:59.16 | KinkyKamikaze | sbns was good |
| 21:59.46 | SerajewelKS | XIT |
| 21:59.49 | SerajewelKS | aw fuck |
| 22:00.03 | jelly-home | yeah, but keep in mind apps starting with z are usually considered ELITE |
| 22:00.08 | KinkyKamikaze | True.. true. |
| 22:00.11 | SerajewelKS | talk about a failed screen detach |
| 22:00.20 | jelly-home | case in point: zsh |
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| 22:00.28 | krisfremen | or znc |
| 22:00.32 | KinkyKamikaze | Never did see the zsh superiority over bash |
| 22:00.35 | KinkyKamikaze | bash works fine for me |
| 22:00.37 | JordiGH | Or zibbit. |
| 22:00.50 | SerajewelKS | or zsnes. they're so elite they don't even support amd64. |
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| 22:01.04 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I looked at it once. It's really a mess of ASM. |
| 22:01.11 | JordiGH | has been running non-free snes9x for a while. |
| 22:01.17 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: which is a shame, because snes9x gives me hives |
| 22:01.28 | SerajewelKS | except snes9xgx. that's pretty cool. |
| 22:01.29 | JordiGH | Yeah, it sucks, besides being non-free. |
| 22:01.39 | JordiGH | It needs aoss. :-( |
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| 22:02.16 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: snes9xgx is the wii port. it's fun playing games with other people on "real" controllers. |
| 22:02.32 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 22:02.39 | SerajewelKS | but that's more than a bit OT. anyway. |
| 22:02.44 | JordiGH | Why is it still non-free? |
| 22:02.51 | SerajewelKS | now i shall succeed at my screen detach, bwahaha! laters. |
| 22:03.08 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: read the copyright file? |
| 22:03.27 | JordiGH | No, I mean, why haven't they changed it? :-/ |
| 22:03.30 | JordiGH | Stupid people... |
| 22:03.42 | andy_t_roo | i'm looking to install debian in vmware to test some software i'm developing -- is there anythign i need to watch out for? |
| 22:03.47 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i dunno. i expect the nonfreeness is due to this clause: "Snes9x is freeware for PERSONAL USE only. " |
| 22:04.00 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: they'd have to obtain permission from every contributor to change that. |
| 22:04.00 | JordiGH | "An open source emulator" in their webpage. |
| 22:04.02 | JordiGH | LIES LIES LIES |
| 22:04.12 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: it is open source. free != open source. |
| 22:04.25 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: it's free for personal use, which is not DFSG-free |
| 22:04.26 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: No, it fails the open source definition (essentially, the DFSG). |
| 22:04.46 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: "open source" is a misnomer. rotor is open source too, but not free. |
| 22:04.50 | jelly-home | JordiGH: so it might be open source, but not Open Source (TM) |
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| 22:05.09 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Open source is a trademark, it doesn't mean "source is visible". |
| 22:05.32 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: nontheless, that's how many people (esp. MS) intepret it |
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| 22:05.56 | JordiGH | Yeah, not sure if the open source people intentionally wanted that way to be interpretation or not. |
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| 22:06.05 | JordiGH | They should have just come up with some name. |
| 22:06.06 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: which is why i use the term FLOSS to mean the DFSG-free stuff |
| 22:06.10 | JordiGH | "Ice cream software" or something. |
| 22:06.19 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: FLOSS = free/libre open source software |
| 22:06.22 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: So you approve of MSFT's usage. :-( |
| 22:06.26 | \amethyst | what does Microsoft call Open Source that is not free? |
| 22:06.32 | JordiGH | \amethyst: shared source, I think. |
| 22:06.40 | jelly-home | \amethyst: "a net win" |
| 22:06.45 | \amethyst | JordiGH: they call that "shared source", not "open source" |
| 22:06.51 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i don't approve of that any more than i approve of the media's usage of the term "hacker" |
| 22:07.01 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Yet you use it. |
| 22:07.05 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but i accept that i can bitch and scream all i want and they won't change |
| 22:07.07 | JordiGH | The mediaists have already won. |
| 22:07.10 | \amethyst | http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/ seems to be about actual open source stuff, not shared source |
| 22:07.14 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: They've changed you, man. |
| 22:07.21 | JordiGH | You gotta fight the system MAN. |
| 22:07.22 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: ah, the've corrected that then |
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| 22:07.43 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: nah, i find the term FLOSS more descriptive anyway. or rather, since it has no obvious meaning, that means i explain it how it really is. :) |
| 22:07.55 | JordiGH | It's what you put in your teeth. |
| 22:07.57 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: people see "open source" and they assume shit. you can't assume shit with an opaque acronym. |
| 22:08.13 | JordiGH | They don't assume teeth? I assume teeth. |
| 22:08.15 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: until enough people use the acronym |
| 22:08.16 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: no, it's what *you* put in your teeth :P |
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| 22:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | Um, so, any debian support going on? |
| 22:08.37 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: once it becomes familiar, people will likely make the same assumptions |
| 22:08.43 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: perhaps |
| 22:08.47 | Titan8990 | somehow I think this is relevant: http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html |
| 22:08.51 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: probably on OFTC somewhere |
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| 22:09.10 | nsadmin | how can I tell update-grub to add singleuser mode boots to the xen starts |
| 22:09.36 | JordiGH | Huh, the snes9x webpage doesn't list any downloads. |
| 22:09.44 | JordiGH | I bet Nintendo got all DMCA C&D on their asses. |
| 22:09.47 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: altoptions |
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| 22:10.17 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: should have comments in your menu.lst with that specifically |
| 22:10.20 | nsadmin | that applies to the xen ones? |
| 22:10.37 | SerajewelKS | it should apply equally to all kernels |
| 22:10.59 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: ah, suppose not |
| 22:11.30 | \amethyst | JordiGH: there is still a link to the mirror under 'news' |
| 22:11.32 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: don't they boot with something like python-grub? |
| 22:11.32 | SerajewelKS | anyway, i'm out for real this time |
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| 22:12.43 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ah, sharp eye. |
| 22:13.04 | nsadmin | Titan8990 dunno |
| 22:13.07 | \amethyst | JordiGH: though not the version that's currently in sid for i386 |
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| 22:13.21 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I can only find 1.52 on that mirror |
| 22:13.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: err, only 1.51 |
| 22:14.08 | \amethyst | JordiGH: searching for snes9x 1.52 gives a forum link to different mirrors |
| 22:14.14 | JordiGH | Fun. |
| 22:14.19 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: well, first you need to figure out how its booting. I recall defining that in the xen config. I would actually be checking for you but failure to backup a public key has me locked out of my xen dom0 |
| 22:14.31 | Titan8990 | fails |
| 22:14.47 | JordiGH | zsnes is also kinda old, eh? |
| 22:15.12 | nsadmin | well I know that if you edit the kernel line to add single, and then boot, it works, goes into single user mode |
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| 22:16.20 | nsadmin | anyway the whole reason I'm doing this is to rule out xen as the problem of my radeon driver segfaulting |
| 22:16.51 | nsadmin | bbiaf |
| 22:17.02 | Titan8990 | the problem is likely fglrx being trash... |
| 22:17.08 | k\t | whats the deal/news with amd64 and compatibility? |
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| 22:17.42 | Fidoxd | Hi |
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| 22:18.09 | Titan8990 | k\t: vague question |
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| 22:23.26 | k\t | Titan8990: one day i decided to grab zsnes for the sys but was unable to because of architecture. but it's not really that important so nvm. |
| 22:23.35 | qwd | k\t: works for me |
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| 22:24.02 | qwd | k\t: try snes9x |
| 22:24.03 | \amethyst | k\t: Sun Java and Adobe Flash are both available, and those are usually the big one. For SNES emulators, there's snes9x |
| 22:25.00 | \amethyst | some day they say we'll have multiarch |
| 22:25.01 | Titan8990 | yes, adobe flash is available but hulu doesn't work... minor detail for me but can be big for others |
| 22:25.25 | \amethyst | Titan8990: is this just in Linux or also Windows? |
| 22:25.47 | JordiGH | Who was it who said we should build universal binaries for Linux? |
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| 22:26.21 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: only linux. they even have a nice "known problem in 64bit flash for linux" message |
| 22:27.05 | JordiGH | gnash is almost usable for web video except it's so sloooow and CPU-hungry. |
| 22:27.07 | \amethyst | Titan8990: hm... and someone using gentoo says it works with seamonkey but not firefox |
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| 22:30.29 | Titan8990 | \amethyst: I just tested in iceape, same message |
| 22:30.47 | qwd | Screw flash, let's hope HTML5 solves that problem for us! |
| 22:30.55 | \amethyst | Titan8990: hm |
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| 22:32.31 | Titan8990 | hehe, and it looks like installing iceape changed my button themes for iceweasel. don't use it anyways though |
| 22:32.58 | hesco | I'm wondering if the advise related to making one's swap partition not more than twice the size of the physical ram still applies as machines host more and more ram. |
| 22:32.58 | Titan8990 | or the maintainer changed the buttons and I hadn't opened it since an upgrade... |
| 22:33.43 | hesco | would I want to use 8gb of swap, even if I have the drive to spare, just because I have 4gb of physical ram? |
| 22:34.34 | hesco | if the machine started using even a fraction of that swap, wouldn't it grind to a crawl? |
| 22:34.44 | \amethyst | hesco: if it started using it actively |
| 22:35.25 | cusco | hi |
| 22:35.33 | cusco | is there a package that provides mplayer iceweasel plugin? |
| 22:35.39 | cusco | there used to be mozilla-mplayer |
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| 22:36.02 | \amethyst | hesco: if you have lots of infrequently-accessed pages, it wouldn't necessarily be so bad |
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| 22:36.58 | hesco | this box is dedicated to a single cgi application, perhaps some API calls, and then a redirect to another server for the rest of the action. |
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| 22:37.10 | SuperAlekZ | Hey, anyone there? :] |
| 22:37.13 | hesco | I suspect 4gb of ram is overkill for this purpose. |
| 22:37.24 | hesco | I've done far more with far less. |
| 22:37.29 | \amethyst | hesco: then 4 GiB RAM + 8 GiB swap is definitely overkill |
| 22:37.50 | SuperAlekZ | Hey guys, need some help with a debian-server. |
| 22:37.58 | \amethyst | hesco: however, having some swap does let the system page out infrequently-used dirty pages to make room for more page cache |
| 22:38.04 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: just ask |
| 22:38.13 | SuperAlekZ | I got a domain, a database-backup (SQL) and files that got to be uploaded. |
| 22:38.24 | hesco | would 2gb of swap be too little |
| 22:38.30 | SuperAlekZ | I got shell access and everything else. |
| 22:38.32 | qwd | !enter |
| 22:38.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:38.39 | SuperAlekZ | MySQL and PHP is installed, too. |
| 22:38.41 | \amethyst | hesco: that would probably be just fine |
| 22:38.47 | hesco | thanks |
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| 22:39.00 | \amethyst | hesco: on my desktop, I have 2 GiB RAM and 1 GiB swap |
| 22:39.13 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: if you got shell access you can upload with sftp |
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| 22:39.28 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: if using windows, a popular light application is winscp |
| 22:39.30 | \amethyst | hesco: and I probably use more memory than your server would, unless you're also running a dbms or something |
| 22:39.34 | SuperAlekZ | I got winscp. It's more secure. |
| 22:39.39 | hesco | and I'd guess you do far more on your desktop than this server will do with apache and a db engine |
| 22:39.47 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: so what is your problem? |
| 22:39.52 | \amethyst | hesco: how big's your database? |
| 22:40.08 | SuperAlekZ | How can I assign this domain to a certain folder? |
| 22:40.19 | SuperAlekZ | I already transfered it to my current host. |
| 22:40.29 | hesco | we hope it will grow to perhaps 100k entries and 10 or 20 gb over a month |
| 22:40.46 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: what service? web? |
| 22:40.59 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: you're not being clear |
| 22:41.01 | \amethyst | hesco: ah, so not big enough to fit into RAM |
| 22:41.09 | \amethyst | hesco: err, too big to fit into RAM |
| 22:41.17 | SuperAlekZ | Yeah, a regular website. Sorry for not being clear. It's just 1 am here in Germany. :D |
| 22:41.31 | hesco | more than ram, yes |
| 22:41.59 | hesco | ok, 3gb seems plenty I guess |
| 22:43.23 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: so, once your domain is pointing to your server's IP, just use apache's virtual hosts |
| 22:43.43 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: by modifying the configuration for whatever webserver your using |
| 22:44.12 | cusco | in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled put something like http://paste.debian.net/69975/ |
| 22:44.48 | SuperAlekZ | How can I find out to which IP my domain is pointing? I've entered my rootservers one in the robot of my hoster, but I don't know if it worked fine. |
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| 22:45.34 | sweb | how can find the best shell script for iptables ? |
| 22:46.01 | valdyn | !best |
| 22:46.01 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:46.03 | valdyn | !ask |
| 22:46.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:47.06 | sweb | best for develop, secure and securest mode |
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| 22:47.23 | nsadmin | sweb: write it |
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| 22:47.46 | SuperAlekZ | cusco: Any advice? |
| 22:47.53 | sweb | nsadmin, how can find any rules that predefine |
| 22:48.05 | nsadmin | you |
| 22:48.15 | nsadmin | will have to learn how to make rules |
| 22:48.43 | nsadmin | since you'er using the word "best" |
| 22:48.46 | sweb | nsadmin, so there is no resource fot that I must do it for me ? |
| 22:49.08 | nsadmin | you're not providing any information... so, no |
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| 22:50.02 | cusco | SuperAlekZ: nslookup my.domain.com |
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| 22:50.13 | nsadmin | anyway brb |
| 22:50.55 | SuperAlekZ | Alright cusco , worked fine. |
| 22:51.13 | SuperAlekZ | Now.. how can I check if i got another webserver than apache already installed? |
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| 22:52.01 | cusco | Im going now |
| 22:52.04 | cusco | bybye |
| 22:52.26 | nsadmin | bybybybyby the bybybyby |
| 22:52.26 | SuperAlekZ | :/ K, thank you. Bye. |
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| 22:55.45 | nsadmin | interesting... flash seems to need dri |
| 22:56.00 | nsadmin | without it, it plays funny |
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| 23:01.21 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14F1:5051 |
| 23:01.22 | judd | [14f1:5051] is 'High Definition Audio (HERMOSA)' from 'Conexant Systems, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14f1:5051 |
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| 23:06.13 | nsadmin | Is there a cd you can boot on a machine you might consider buying that looks at (say) the lspci and has judd's db loaded on the cd (reasonably recent) and then displays a list of the hardware it found together with an indication of if and how it could be supported by some linux driver |
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| 23:06.27 | Scarra3 | Yo |
| 23:06.38 | nsadmin | oh |
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| 23:12.26 | valdyn | nsadmin: "judds" db is at pciids.sourceforge.net and also at |
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| 23:12.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: "lspci" on any live cd |
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| 23:13.21 | abrotman | the actual 'what drives what' is a bit trickier |
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| 23:13.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you have internet, you could use kmuto's page though |
| 23:13.38 | valdyn | i never got the new kernel format for the device table |
| 23:13.42 | valdyn | but its there anyway |
| 23:13.48 | valdyn | so should be trivial to look up |
| 23:14.48 | themill | a little bash + sed can do it quite nicely |
| 23:14.57 | valdyn | themill: where is it? |
| 23:15.14 | nsadmin | I was thinking like this... say I go to a computer store and ask the guy if I could try one of the machines and he doesn't happen to have a connection |
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| 23:15.35 | valdyn | nsadmin: insert live cd, run lspci -k |
| 23:15.39 | themill | valdyn: where is what? |
| 23:15.40 | nsadmin | so I boot the cd, 20 secs later, it reports all the hardware it finds |
| 23:15.53 | valdyn | themill: the driver - pciid / usbid map |
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| 23:15.59 | themill | valdyn: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 23:16.03 | nevyn | hardware people can get wussy |
| 23:16.11 | valdyn | themill: i wish, thats not true anymore |
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| 23:16.59 | sthon | can anyone tell me what if any lenny kernel backport this bug has been fixed in? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13011 |
| 23:17.01 | themill | valdyn: /sbin/depmod -m -b |
| 23:17.22 | sthon | I'm running into the same problem with 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 |
| 23:17.24 | themill | (which is precisely what judd does) |
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| 23:18.44 | valdyn | themill: ah, thanks |
| 23:18.46 | Titan8990 | sthon: according to that, lenny .26 should be fine |
| 23:19.21 | Titan8990 | sthon: ah, read wrong.. .32 is currently available |
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| 23:20.23 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 23:20.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:20.59 | sthon | I would have figured 2.6.30 would have the patch, am I wrong? |
| 23:21.18 | themill | valdyn: http://git.nanonanonano.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=judd.git;a=blob;f=supybot/plugins/Piccy/refreshdata to be exact. Which is the sort of bash script that makes baby greycats cry |
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| 23:25.17 | abrotman | probably makes grandpa greycat cry too ... |
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| 23:28.23 | themill | abrotman: send patches! |
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| 23:28.52 | abrotman | themill: i have a current hinderence |
| 23:29.19 | themill | !pal abrotman |
| 23:29.19 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs hysterically |
| 23:29.39 | Riviera | if [ $(ls -1 $WD/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids 2>/dev/null | wc -l) -gt 1 ] |
| 23:29.40 | Riviera | 8) |
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| 23:30.55 | Gregor | Is there a command to list all the packages that depend on a given package? (As opposed to listing all the packages that a given package depends on) |
| 23:30.56 | Titan8990 | Riviera: there is #bash |
| 23:31.07 | Titan8990 | Riviera: their bot says this: Don't try to parse ls output. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 23:31.29 | Riviera | Titan8990: I pasted a line from the script that abrotman and themill were talking about. |
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| 23:31.58 | streuner | Gregor: apt-cache show <package> | grep -i depends ? |
| 23:32.05 | Riviera | Titan8990: confirming that it has some very awful lines, the ls part is not the only flaw there. |
| 23:32.10 | Riviera | Titan8990: but yes,thanks. :) |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | Gregor: rdepends IIRC |
| 23:32.27 | streuner | yep, or apt-rdepends |
| 23:32.54 | Titan8990 | Riviera: hehe, i see where themill posted it now. |
| 23:33.04 | Gregor | Thankee |
| 23:33.37 | themill | Riviera: that's actually not that easy to fix |
| 23:33.57 | Riviera | themill: isn't it? That's only a check whether the directory is empty |
| 23:33.57 | twigga | boulevards smokestack series quadruple ale is quite nice... 10% ABV in a corked and caged 750mL bottle. |
| 23:34.00 | twigga | Its great. |
| 23:34.05 | themill | Riviera: no it doesn't |
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| 23:34.36 | Riviera | themill: what else should it do, then? |
| 23:34.54 | Riviera | themill: okay, empty of *.ids files .. :) |
| 23:34.58 | themill | quite |
| 23:35.16 | themill | actually, it checks for non-empty |
| 23:35.30 | Riviera | themill: well, now why wouldn't that be easily fixable? |
| 23:35.39 | themill | Riviera: patches welcome |
| 23:35.44 | Tramp | a=($WD/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids); if ((${#a[@]}>1)); then |
| 23:35.52 | Chris___ | I feel like an idiot asking this, but where's the "Repeat Playlist" button/option on Amarok 2.3.0? |
| 23:36.07 | themill | Tramp: and that's an improvement in which parallel universe? |
| 23:36.50 | Riviera | Tramp: some quotes for "$WD" + shopt -s nullglob |
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| 23:37.16 | Tramp | since it's no improvement, nvm |
| 23:37.26 | Riviera | "in which parallel universe" does not sound like "patches welcome". |
| 23:37.28 | Riviera | anyway, bla. |
| 23:38.15 | themill | Riviera: patches that are actually a sane improvement welcome. |
| 23:38.20 | streuner | patches are always welcome, but it should be allowed to discuss |
| 23:38.45 | streuner | and in Debian we discuss *everything* :-) |
| 23:38.57 | Riviera | Blaffing at people who try to help isn't discussing, it's a waste of time. |
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| 23:39.57 | themill | hasn't seen any useful help yet |
| 23:42.29 | sebastian | Hi, I just updated my debian-sid (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade), now evolution is producing 99% CPU load when *clicking* "retrieve mails", any ideas? :( |
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| 23:44.25 | qwd | sebastian: restart evolution? |
| 23:44.38 | Titan8990 | sebastian: bts? |
| 23:44.38 | sebastian | qwd: i allready did a reboot. |
| 23:44.53 | sebastian | Titan8990: pls xpln bts |
| 23:45.00 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 23:45.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:45.19 | qwd | what's the difference between separating commands with ; and && to have them run after each other? |
| 23:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | && requires successful completion of the preceeding command (zero exit value). |
| 23:46.00 | Titan8990 | qwd: with && the command on the right will only execute if the command on the left finishes successfully |
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| 23:46.09 | sebastian | Titan8990: so, i should post a bugreport that for? |
| 23:46.21 | qwd | jhutchins_lt: Titan8990: Thanks! |
| 23:46.32 | Titan8990 | sebastian: you should start with checking for existing bug reports |
| 23:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: I believe ; executes the second command immediately. |
| 23:46.54 | jhutchins_lt | sebastian: After all, it is sid, this is expected. |
| 23:47.13 | Titan8990 | !sid broken |
| 23:47.13 | dpkg | i guess sid broken is please don't complain if you're running sid and things break. |
| 23:47.32 | qwd | sebastian: I'm running Evolution on Sid and it's working fine here fwiw |
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| 23:49.33 | sebastian | qwd: via imap or pop3? |
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| 23:49.49 | qwd | sebastian: imap, gmail account |
| 23:50.04 | sebastian | qwd: :( i am running it with pop3 |
| 23:50.56 | sebastian | qwd: after *clicking* Retrieve, Status box is opened with "waiting..." and an empty progress bar. - top shows 99% cpu usage :( |
| 23:51.12 | sebastian | in bts, no bug report about that listed. |
| 23:51.40 | themill | sebastian: is it actually evolution that's using 99% cpu or dbus or similar? |
| 23:53.24 | sebastian | themill: 2044 sebastia 20 0 600m 32m 21m S 98.7 2.2 15:22.05 evolution |
| 23:53.34 | sebastian | evolution :( |
| 23:53.51 | themill | yeah, I only ask because there were people complaining about similar behaviour involving dbus earlier today |
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| 23:58.26 | sebastian | is there a way to install the previous version of evolution? |
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| 23:59.42 | nsadmin | is it available for your dist? |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 23:59.57 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |