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| 00:00.40 | nsadmin | if no, then you could get the source (preferably debianized, so you get a package to install) and build it |
| 00:01.19 | sebastian | thx for the sdn i'll give it a try :) |
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| 00:03.04 | blubber123 | stupid question how to list all files of one package? |
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| 00:04.01 | Titan8990 | blubber123: dpkg -L |
| 00:04.10 | Titan8990 | blubber123: try man dpkg next time |
| 00:04.27 | blubber123 | uhh i thought i tried this |
| 00:04.33 | blubber123 | sry my fault |
| 00:04.38 | Titan8990 | blubber123: is it installed? |
| 00:04.56 | blubber123 | yeah it is i mistyped ... |
| 00:05.12 | blubber123 | don't mind me |
| 00:05.24 | blubber123 | i seem to be too tired |
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| 00:05.29 | blubber123 | have a good night at all |
| 00:05.31 | blubber123 | thx Titan8990 |
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| 00:06.05 | Titan8990 | I should have noticed his user was "ubuntu" |
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| 00:11.22 | muhoo | is there a command line tool to display the date and time in a DIFFERENT zone than the one I'm in? |
| 00:11.35 | muhoo | i.e. I'm in GMT-8, and I want to show the time in GMT+2 |
| 00:12.08 | muhoo | there are tons of websites to do this, but i don't feel like firing up iceweasel just to find out, say, what time it is in vienna right now |
| 00:12.09 | themill | muhoo: TZ=GMT+2 date |
| 00:12.55 | muhoo | themill: that shows GMT, not GMT +2 |
| 00:12.59 | themill | or not.. you need the actual TZ code |
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| 00:13.05 | muhoo | ah |
| 00:13.27 | themill | TZ=Europe/Paris date or TZ=CDT date |
| 00:13.44 | themill | CET. |
| 00:13.50 | themill | fails.... |
| 00:14.20 | Titan8990 | you can actually look through /usr/share/zoneinfo for the various timezones |
| 00:14.39 | muhoo | Titan8990: thanks, that was my next question :-) |
| 00:15.13 | muhoo | perfect, thanks |
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| 00:15.24 | Titan8990 | remembers from gentoo where you had to manually copy the binar file from those dirs to /etc/localtime |
| 00:15.32 | Titan8990 | binary |
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| 00:17.04 | karsten | In grub2, is there a way to specify a vga= (or other kernel options)? |
| 00:17.39 | Titan8990 | karsten: should be /etc/default/grub. probably something in the README.Debian |
| 00:18.07 | karsten | Hrm... |
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| 00:18.21 | Titan8990 | karsten: actually that file looks pretty clear... GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= |
| 00:18.29 | streuner | karsten: no bootoptions in grub, time to use lilo :-P |
| 00:18.38 | karsten | is currently booted into $EVILOS and was hoping to find the config before rebooting.... |
| 00:18.54 | karsten | Titan8990: Ok, I'll look at that. |
| 00:19.28 | Titan8990 | karsten: run update-grub after making changes |
| 00:19.35 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 00:19.52 | streuner | remember only lilo -vv :-P |
| 00:20.07 | karsten | I figured out the NT booting issue. Apparently the autoconfigurator suggested "chainloader +1 (hd0,0)" when it should have been "(hd0,1)" |
| 00:20.14 | karsten | So it's bootable. |
| 00:20.18 | karsten | streuner: yeah, yeah. |
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| 00:20.30 | karsten | Ok, back to the fun side of the house. Back in a bit. |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | karsten: it's a new option like .. bootgfx or something .. it is in the docs |
| 00:20.57 | streuner | karsten: as long as update-grub show windows it should be, IMHO |
| 00:21.08 | streuner | fine* |
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| 00:21.42 | Bohemian | hi, i'm considering using debian sid for my productivity desktop as a second OS (my primary OS is debian). i'm also considering arch and slack. i use debian lenny on my server now. i think lenny is just too old for an actual productivity box. can someone tell me what to expect with sid? i'm most interested in security on my productivity machine as well as being able to run more-recent apps |
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| 00:22.13 | abrotman | Bohemian: breaking, dying, suffering! |
| 00:22.31 | streuner | Bohemian: lots of pain, trust me |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | karsten: <twigga> oh, after dinner, it will be fun. lol. Ive got a few dedis with quite a few ips and i own quite a few domains...which leads to many many vhosts....the dog must chase the cat ...but in my experience..that cat wins most times. |
| 00:22.40 | abrotman | bleh |
| 00:22.46 | Bohemian | pain? why? |
| 00:22.55 | streuner | Bohemian: sid is sid... |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | karsten: GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
| 00:23.27 | Bohemian | sorry, i'm not really current on linux, other than knowing how to use lenny for my server. what's so bad about sid? is it prone to breaking? |
| 00:23.34 | streuner | sometimes this and that breaks and if you really need the box every day you are sometimes out of luck... |
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| 00:24.10 | streuner | Bohemian: well, you said, you are using the desktop for production... |
| 00:24.43 | streuner | Bohemian: i would go just for lenny/stable - its much more safer |
| 00:24.47 | Bohemian | streuner: well, productivity, i.e. scripting/programming, accessing my uni's supercomputer via ssh, music/video, writing word docs, etc |
| 00:24.51 | Bohemian | stuff like that |
| 00:24.55 | streuner | only if you are crazy enough, just use sid |
| 00:25.07 | streuner | ok, thats fine then |
| 00:25.33 | Bohemian | when is it not fine? |
| 00:25.51 | streuner | well, when you need that box for everything each day/work |
| 00:26.20 | Bohemian | oh. well, then what do you recommend? i don't want lenny, the apps are too old |
| 00:26.31 | streuner | backports |
| 00:26.43 | streuner | !backports |
| 00:26.43 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 00:28.10 | Bohemian | streuner: so you install backports on debian lenny? is that the idea? |
| 00:28.21 | streuner | yes |
| 00:28.41 | streuner | if you need a clean and working system |
| 00:28.58 | Bohemian | okay, thank you. i think i'll give it a shot. |
| 00:30.40 | streuner | Bohemian: but if you just want play, just use sid |
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| 00:31.18 | Bohemian | nah, i don't have *that* much time to play |
| 00:31.35 | Bohemian | i'll give backports a shot. how behind is it to latest stable versions of software? |
| 00:31.39 | streuner | Bohemian: it really depends, if you need some really new packages (videocard, etc. etc.) you dont have a choice somethimes then |
| 00:31.49 | streuner | !lenny |
| 00:31.50 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 00:32.23 | streuner | so almost more than a year |
| 00:32.26 | Bohemian | yeah, i use lenny 5.0.4 on my web/email server now |
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| 00:32.56 | nsadmin | almost more than a year ?= exactly a year? |
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| 00:35.38 | nsadmin | Bohemian: "play" will probably turn out to be some work inbetween play, to keep things working |
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| 00:39.22 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
| 00:39.47 | Ronis_BR | everybody tell me that if I install debian stable, I'll get a really stable system, but what is the concept of stable? |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 00:40.40 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: but, if you have old versions, you will have bugs corrected on newer ones, don't you? |
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| 00:40.47 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 00:41.13 | streuner | Ronis_BR: there are even updates in stable |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | wonders about lennynhalf |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | stalks a DD ... |
| 00:42.15 | streuner | fjp? |
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| 00:42.36 | streuner | well, it was a fine try vs. kmuto |
| 00:42.46 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: like, let's supose that debian stable has kde 4.2.2 |
| 00:42.56 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: but kde 4.4.2 has thousand of bugs corrected |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | it does not |
| 00:43.05 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: so 4.4.2 is more stable than 4.2.2 |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | that's not how it works |
| 00:43.33 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: so, how it works, it is what I'm wating to know |
| 00:43.34 | nsadmin | Ronis_BR generally debian fixes bugs on the version they have |
| 00:43.38 | abrotman | some RC bugs may get fixed, security bugs should get fixed .. |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | read the URL above |
| 00:43.52 | hesco | what advantage would I get for using LVM as I partition drives on a new install? |
| 00:44.09 | Ronis_BR | ah good |
| 00:44.37 | Ronis_BR | abrotman, nsadmin: debian stable has fglrx 8.12, which, in my card, crashes a lot and has thousands of issues |
| 00:44.46 | abrotman | hesco: LVM allows you to resize dynamically |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | !tell hesco about lvm |
| 00:44.57 | Ronis_BR | abrotman, nsadmin: but fglrx 10.3 is very stable and I haven't seen any crash yet |
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| 00:45.21 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: that's also a binary pile of stuff .. we can't even backport fixes to it |
| 00:45.28 | streuner | fglrx is a PITA |
| 00:45.28 | Ronis_BR | abrotman, nsadmin: from this point of view, 10.3 is more stable than 8.12, so it should be on debian stable than debian experimental or Sid |
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| 00:45.47 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: read the URL above |
| 00:45.54 | Ronis_BR | streuner: unfortunately some users must you it, because radeon doesn't support newer cards |
| 00:45.58 | Ronis_BR | i'm reading |
| 00:46.18 | streuner | Ronis_BR: laptop? |
| 00:46.23 | Ronis_BR | yup |
| 00:46.23 | nsadmin | if release-critical bugs are found before release, decision is made whether to fix. if no, decision is made whether it's serious enougn to kick it out of stabe' |
| 00:46.33 | nsadmin | err what will be stable |
| 00:47.07 | streuner | Ronis_BR: you should read linux-laptops.net - there is hopefully a solution |
| 00:47.22 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I understand your point, but I think I'll take some time to agree with it :D |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | nsadmin: that can happen |
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| 00:47.53 | nsadmin | Ronis_BR, it wasn't meant as an argument... I'm just saying how it works |
| 00:48.06 | nsadmin | your agreement or disagreement would not be with me |
| 00:48.13 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: your point = how debian word :) |
| 00:48.34 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I'm not questioning, I just want to see where I am wrong |
| 00:48.42 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: IMO a bleeding-edge distro should be more stable, because, at most of time, newer versions less bugs |
| 00:48.45 | nsadmin | what's your purpose? |
| 00:48.54 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: try to understand :) |
| 00:49.01 | nsadmin | no, just tell me |
| 00:49.16 | nsadmin | or not |
| 00:49.21 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: what? |
| 00:49.43 | nsadmin | are you evaluating debian? are you running it now and venting a bit? |
| 00:49.56 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I'm evaluating debian to install at university |
| 00:50.16 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: it won't be a server, yes, it will be an apache and probably a ftp (but veeery small) |
| 00:50.18 | wedge | dont pick debian, please go with centos |
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| 00:50.29 | wedge | save yourself the trouble , centos is so much more awesome! |
| 00:50.34 | Ronis_BR | wedge: never heard about :) |
| 00:50.38 | nsadmin | I'd recommend you choose hardware that is known to work |
| 00:50.42 | streuner | !slap wedge |
| 00:50.42 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across wedge's face |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | wedge: go troll somewhere else |
| 00:51.00 | Ronis_BR | wedge: we already have the hardware |
| 00:51.03 | nsadmin | no matter what dist you pick, hardware is supported by the kernel and by its modules |
| 00:51.09 | streuner | wedge: did you ever read <centos>? |
| 00:51.10 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I know |
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| 00:51.28 | streuner | wedge: the factoid... |
| 00:51.45 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: currently I'm running gentoo, but since I won't be the one who will work with it, I need a more friendly distro that can be installed easilly |
| 00:52.01 | streuner | wedge: well, you should know better, it wouldnt help Ronis_BR much then... |
| 00:52.19 | wedge | stop dpkg me with info about centos |
| 00:52.30 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: and that's why I'm asking because I'm used to have newer versions everytime and this makes me fell I have a more stalbe system, where I'm wrong? |
| 00:53.08 | Ronis_BR | wedge: sorry fellow, I have never heard about centos, I think Debian is more supported and well-documented |
| 00:53.15 | Ronis_BR | wedge: and that's why I'm looking |
| 00:53.24 | nsadmin | newer doesn't necessarily mean better but it can be |
| 00:53.41 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: hum |
| 00:53.47 | wedge | faggot spamming me with dpkg, diaf /ignore dpkg |
| 00:53.48 | nsadmin | it doesn't seem like debian is a good fit for you personally |
| 00:54.09 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: what do you advice me (plz don't tell ubuntu :D) |
| 00:54.17 | streuner | nsadmin: i disagree |
| 00:54.34 | streuner | a student should be able to read and learn :-P |
| 00:54.35 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I looked Arch Linux, but I didn't like. Ubuntu, I will not comment |
| 00:54.55 | wedge | it does seem like as a university admin you shouldnt sit in an irc-channel trying to get others to do your job, just saying. |
| 00:55.07 | wedge | students rely on you to know your field of work |
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| 00:55.09 | Ronis_BR | wedge: well, I'm engineering |
| 00:55.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@muffins.xh.se] by abrotman |
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| 00:55.20 | Ronis_BR | wedge: I'm studying engineering* |
| 00:55.27 | Ronis_BR | wedge: I'm not from computer science |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | wedge: do not use that type of language in here, you're on a 10 minute timeout |
| 00:55.35 | nsadmin | Ronis_BR: what will the box be used for? |
| 00:55.37 | Tramp | Ronis_BR: stability is about "well defined behaviour". You don't want software to change in a way which forces you to e.g. change your scripts/configuration files to maintain the functionality |
| 00:55.41 | Ronis_BR | wedge: we just need a good place to research that is open source |
| 00:56.00 | Ronis_BR | Tramp: that was a very good point! |
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| 00:56.11 | Ronis_BR | Tramp: yes, you are right, in gentoo I have these troubles |
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| 00:56.21 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: the PC? |
| 00:56.25 | nsadmin | right |
| 00:56.50 | nsadmin | is it yours (aka you are a student and this pc belongs to you and not to the univ?) |
| 00:56.52 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: intel core i7, 4 or 8 GiB (don't remember), radeon HD 5xxx, 1TB HD |
| 00:57.12 | Tramp | Ronis_BR: that's why for a production-environment (where you want also a test/integration infrastucture with well defined releases) a "rolling release" is suboptimal |
| 00:57.37 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: we have lots of pcs like these for students, I'm trying to make a distro to install at every one |
| 00:57.55 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: on my I'll install gentoo that I have been used for looooong time |
| 00:58.02 | nsadmin | aha. so this is you choosing for many |
| 00:58.11 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yup :) |
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| 00:58.34 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: i'm the one with more linux "know-how" there :) |
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| 00:58.34 | nsadmin | then why have only one choice? |
| 00:58.46 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: there arent' |
| 00:59.01 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: today I was looking for debian, I'm isntalling on a VM to see |
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| 00:59.08 | nsadmin | oh, I'm beginning to see... |
| 00:59.39 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: next I'll look fedora and open SuSE |
| 00:59.42 | nsadmin | so many students will come to you or to your lab for a computer which you or your lab will supply as a gift (or part of tuition) or loan |
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| 00:59.57 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: +- :) |
| 01:00.21 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: we got these new PCs I will install a linux for people work and I don't want to be bother every single day :D |
| 01:00.39 | nsadmin | oh, so this is seen as a load issue |
| 01:00.41 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: that's why I'm looking for stabality, but I started to think: "what are stability?" then I came here |
| 01:01.12 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: you can think this way :D |
| 01:01.15 | Kazuha | Preface comment: I've never patched a kernel. |
| 01:01.32 | Kazuha | So, with that in mind, how do I apply the BadRAM patch to a kernel? |
| 01:01.35 | nsadmin | what percenttage of the student population who will be getting one of these machines are familiar with linux? |
| 01:02.06 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: maybe 60% |
| 01:02.09 | nsadmin | look at the patch for the diff lines |
| 01:02.11 | Kazuha | (I've got a half gig with one bad address.) |
| 01:02.23 | nsadmin | see where it thinks everything is |
| 01:03.03 | nsadmin | one of the parameters patch takes is -p <number> |
| 01:03.12 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: go to kernel src, try patch -p0 < /path/to/patch, if it doesn't work, patch -p1 < /path/to/patch, or patch -p2 < /path/to/patch |
| 01:03.20 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: it should work sometime, it the patch is correct |
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| 01:03.26 | nsadmin | the number is how many "/"s to remove from the left |
| 01:03.45 | Ronis_BR | yup, or you can count it first :D |
| 01:04.01 | nsadmin | probably counting is safer |
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| 01:04.15 | nsadmin | you only have to learn to do that counting once |
| 01:04.38 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: can be :) |
| 01:05.39 | nsadmin | Ronis: so potentially you can reduce your workload by 60% if you let them install |
| 01:06.09 | nsadmin | make sure they get hardware documentation (the motherboard manual and CD, etc) |
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| 01:06.20 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: hum, good |
| 01:06.24 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: fair enough |
| 01:06.33 | nsadmin | those that install could choose |
| 01:06.34 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: and them I create a debian distro for the others |
| 01:06.44 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: just an HD image |
| 01:06.45 | Kazuha | So basically, from the Linux-source directory, then check the patch to the patch (which would be wherever apt places the badram patch), and then count the /s in the path? |
| 01:06.48 | nsadmin | the distro is done :) |
| 01:07.05 | nsadmin | right |
| 01:07.06 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yeah, but I'll install and configure and install eng. softwares, etc. |
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| 01:07.23 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: probably I'll have to backport fglrx |
| 01:07.45 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yeah, I think this way is good, thanks, you were very helpful! |
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| 01:08.01 | wedge | rage and terror |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | wedge: please settle down |
| 01:08.26 | wedge | also. Ronis_BR you do not want to put debian on a dist if you want to use that shiny nice HD5XXX the tuition pays for |
| 01:08.38 | nsadmin | you mentioned this 60% figure before, when you add the other 40%, to form the total population you serve, are all of these people engineering students? |
| 01:08.44 | Kazuha | Other odd question.... |
| 01:08.48 | wedge | your students who are most likely going to sit in class playing the latest games will be whining at you day in and day out |
| 01:08.55 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yes, we are |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | wedge: STOP |
| 01:09.06 | wedge | abrotman: what now? |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | just ignore him .. go asway |
| 01:09.18 | Kazuha | How "difficult" is it to compile an x86 kernel on a AMD64 machine? |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | Kazuha: not as much fun as you might imagine |
| 01:09.30 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: why do you want that? |
| 01:09.33 | wedge | it's a well known fact that ATI does not go well in hand with most linux dists |
| 01:09.41 | nsadmin | with the right compiler no problem at all |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | no binary crap does |
| 01:10.03 | wedge | acceleration will be very subpar with the free binaries available for debian stable |
| 01:10.03 | nsadmin | isn't that changing? |
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| 01:10.21 | Kazuha | abrotman: Because the AMD64 is faster, has 12 times the RAM, and doesn't have dodgy dimms. |
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| 01:10.42 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: yes, binary things are evil. I got a very good software (Maple 7) when I was at graduation. But it is proprietary but uses some system libs (like glibc) so, if I want to use it today, I need to install glibc from 6 years ago... :D |
| 01:10.55 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: so you want to cross compile |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | Kazuha: 32bit chroot might be easier |
| 01:11.18 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: it isn't haaaaard if you have experience, I do it often from amd64 to arm, should be the same for x86 |
| 01:11.24 | nsadmin | that is going to be an issue with debian and really any dist |
| 01:12.03 | nsadmin | if you change the libc after all the userland has been built, maybe the userland stops working... |
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| 01:12.42 | nsadmin | like cat grep mkdir cd bash csh awk perl grep ls sort uniq head tail etc |
| 01:12.43 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yes :) the solution was (in gentoo) create a chroot with a minimal distro and install everything I needed from source, since it isn't available anymore at gentoo repos |
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| 01:13.20 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yes it was really a pain :( |
| 01:13.26 | nsadmin | there could be better programs that can be compiled |
| 01:13.31 | nsadmin | like scilab |
| 01:13.42 | nsadmin | which is comparable to matlab |
| 01:13.48 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: maple symbolic processor is the best of best |
| 01:14.06 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: matlab is "better" we can run older versions without worrying about it |
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| 01:14.09 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 01:14.12 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: I think it bundle everything :D |
| 01:14.21 | meoblast001 | i just installed openssh-server.. but i can't sftp into it? |
| 01:14.31 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 01:14.38 | meoblast001 | i don't know |
| 01:14.49 | nsadmin | what does it do? what does it say? |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | meoblast001: can you ssh into it? |
| 01:14.59 | meoblast001 | let me check |
| 01:15.16 | Kazuha | Another reason to cross-compile: I still have to find if there are any bad addresses in *both* DIMMs. |
| 01:15.30 | meoblast001 | abrotman, no |
| 01:15.43 | abrotman | meoblast001: that might be part of the problem |
| 01:15.45 | nsadmin | Kazuha, you could just replace the ram |
| 01:15.51 | wedge | Ronis_BR: having computer science background myself at university, write down your demands on the installed system. roll out 3-4 dists, do a testrun on a small batch of students. then select the dist with least problems.. also talk to fellows at other universities or departments, you'll see they've probably already investigated this |
| 01:15.54 | meoblast001 | abrotman, it gives weird errors |
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| 01:16.06 | meoblast001 | abrotman, WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | like .. "Cannot make eggs" ? |
| 01:16.15 | meoblast001 | abrotman, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY |
| 01:16.17 | wedge | Kazuha: memtest86 go go go |
| 01:16.29 | nsadmin | mmm!i!i!i!i!i! EGGS! |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | that won't keep the system from using the badram |
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| 01:16.42 | Ronis_BR | wedge: well, the computer science guys aren't worried with end-user :D |
| 01:16.44 | abrotman | meoblast001: right, you changed the key |
| 01:16.44 | Kazuha | Well, there's an issue with replacing it: |
| 01:16.49 | Ronis_BR | wedge: at least there |
| 01:16.55 | Ronis_BR | wedge: they tell me to install FreeBSD :D |
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| 01:17.06 | Kazuha | Its pc2700. |
| 01:17.19 | Kazuha | And the motherboard seems to *only* like pc2700. |
| 01:17.26 | nsadmin | Ronis_BR: that's reason for them to not socialize and hide from all parties |
| 01:17.36 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: lol!!! |
| 01:17.39 | wedge | HD5XXXX in student PC's... they really want your students to play games during all lectures and tutorials? |
| 01:18.11 | nsadmin | CS students need to visit cool places WITH PEOPLE |
| 01:18.16 | Ronis_BR | wedge: here, good universities are public, and public institutions must make bids to buy things |
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| 01:18.33 | meoblast001 | abrotman, i did? |
| 01:18.35 | streuner | nsadmin: thats why we are here... |
| 01:18.43 | Ronis_BR | wedge: we specify processor, RAM and HD. they shipped with this card |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | someone did |
| 01:18.49 | Kazuha | Also, this system had more growth in mind when put the boot drive in. |
| 01:19.04 | nsadmin | is the card on the mobo? |
| 01:19.13 | Kazuha | So /var, /usr, and / are much bigger than they are on the one with the dodgy ram. |
| 01:19.18 | rryouumaa | when cadaver says that a certificate is untrusted, is there anything you can do to get it to not ask you if you trust it? |
| 01:19.25 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: well, find a way to install the cross-compile, and then it should be easy |
| 01:19.31 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: just like any kernel compilation |
| 01:19.41 | nsadmin | cross compile? |
| 01:19.51 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: after, you copy /lib/modules and kernel image to the other PC |
| 01:19.52 | Kazuha | To be helpful, I've only compiled a kernel once or twice. |
| 01:20.03 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: yes, we wants to compile to X86 using amd64 |
| 01:20.12 | meoblast001 | abrotman, the package manager did? |
| 01:20.18 | meoblast001 | abrotman, how can i fix this? |
| 01:20.18 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: or, I have a better idea |
| 01:20.23 | Kazuha | Isn't there any way to create a convenient .deb for that? |
| 01:20.23 | nsadmin | you shouldn't have to, gcc for x86 should be able to generate code for itself or amd64 |
| 01:20.26 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: take a x86 live CD, and compile from there :d |
| 01:20.27 | Ronis_BR | :D |
| 01:20.29 | nsadmin | and vise versa |
| 01:20.42 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: hum, that I didn't know |
| 01:20.46 | meoblast001 | abrotman, well, i did reinstall my distro on this machine... i used to be Ubuntu |
| 01:20.48 | Ronis_BR | nsadmin: oh yes, you have -m32 flag |
| 01:20.51 | meoblast001 | abrotman, could that be causing the problem? |
| 01:20.55 | nsadmin | try building gcc sometime :) |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | yeah, probably |
| 01:21.04 | Ronis_BR | meoblast001: yes ubuntu is the problem, always |
| 01:21.05 | Ronis_BR | :D |
| 01:21.16 | Kazuha | Ronis_BR: Agreed. |
| 01:21.49 | Ronis_BR | Kazuha: it is good if you just want to use the system without opening shell or updating any package |
| 01:22.13 | Kazuha | Or if nothing goes wrong. |
| 01:23.30 | meoblast001 | any ideas on fixing this? |
| 01:23.34 | meoblast001 | just delete my known hosts? |
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| 01:23.42 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 01:23.58 | meoblast001 | yay |
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| 01:26.21 | nsadmin | meoblast001: so my question to your earlier of "why can't you sftp", could be answered by telling the messages it's saying about... uuummm,,, why you can't sftp |
| 01:26.37 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 01:27.03 | Kazuha | If its "no route to host" for example, its also not possible to ssh. |
| 01:27.13 | nsadmin | I bring this up because it is an important way of looking at problems that you encounter |
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| 01:30.16 | SimplySeth | what is the "trick" to running fsck in single user mode in Lenny ? |
| 01:30.44 | nsadmin | first reboot into single user mode |
| 01:30.52 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: done |
| 01:31.12 | nsadmin | once you're in single user mode... everything you do will be in single user mode |
| 01:31.26 | nsadmin | what do you want to fsck |
| 01:31.41 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: the whole disk .. but fsck command is not found |
| 01:32.01 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: was trying to do an fsck -y |
| 01:32.21 | nsadmin | hmm... not found? what is your $PATH? |
| 01:32.59 | nsadmin | not sure yet why you're not finding fsck... in debian it's installed from the base |
| 01:33.00 | SimplySeth | /sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
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| 01:33.18 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: neither am I .. *cornfuzed* |
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| 01:33.37 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: in single user mode the prompt says (initramfs) |
| 01:34.01 | nsadmin | I'm not sure you booted properly |
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| 01:34.31 | nsadmin | so there's no /usr/sbin/fsck or /bin/fsck? |
| 01:34.41 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: okay .. on the kernel line .. should it say "single" or "1" ? |
| 01:34.50 | nsadmin | single |
| 01:35.01 | nsadmin | did you get to the password prompt? |
| 01:35.40 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: no I did not |
| 01:35.59 | nsadmin | so in this case part of the trick to running fsck in single user mode is having fsck |
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| 01:36.10 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: weird |
| 01:36.21 | nsadmin | that's your complete path? |
| 01:36.28 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: yerp |
| 01:36.53 | nsadmin | you should have at least... /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin |
| 01:37.01 | nsadmin | who are you logged in as |
| 01:37.38 | nsadmin | wait if you didn't get to the passwd prompt you're not logged in at all |
| 01:37.44 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: its booted into the ramdisk for some reason instead of into single user mode .. even though I asked it to boot into single user mode |
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| 01:38.05 | nsadmin | does ls work? |
| 01:38.38 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: busybox works .. so ls I'm sure will work |
| 01:39.03 | karsten | Titan8990: Whatever you were suggesting to me the last time we talked worked. |
| 01:39.08 | karsten | Titan8990: I think it was grub ocnfig |
| 01:39.22 | nsadmin | one piece of interesting info would be uners what conditions could you get to busybox |
| 01:39.28 | nsadmin | try mount |
| 01:39.38 | nsadmin | (no params) |
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| 01:39.52 | karsten | I'm trying to remember the client/command which gives X window client properties. Trying to find out why my x resources aren't applying properly. |
| 01:41.08 | karsten | Hrm... the fact that kwin is launching when I specify rxvt might have something to do with it .... |
| 01:41.34 | nsadmin | s/uners/under/ |
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| 01:42.00 | factor | I am having dome trouble with java and network access, does debian have any hickups with java and debian |
| 01:42.06 | factor | some^ |
| 01:42.10 | nsadmin | it's not that it can't mount / because if that happened the kernel would just panic |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | factor: squeeze/sid ? |
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| 01:42.17 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: okay .. I'm giving up and re-installing .. thanks fer the help |
| 01:42.31 | factor | -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true I have added this but still no joy |
| 01:42.35 | factor | Squeeze |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | !tell factor about java ipv6 |
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| 01:42.49 | factor | I already fixed that part of it I thunk |
| 01:43.02 | factor | but do I need to do something else |
| 01:43.13 | nsadmin | SimplySeth, probably that's best, I was as tired of guessing what the problem was as you were of supplying relevent information... |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | factor: is there a stack trace we can see ? |
| 01:43.43 | eradiate | how do i add a virtual interface to a preexisiting interface? |
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| 01:43.48 | factor | abrotman, hold hom reading the debug stuff |
| 01:44.15 | hesco | how do I remove a 'software raid device' in the debian installer? I chose the wrong number of devices and need to partition that device again |
| 01:44.56 | factor | abrotman, ok this is a differnt bug with java networking |
| 01:45.03 | factor | let me paste bin it. |
| 01:45.09 | nsadmin | hesco, one way, is just restart the installation |
| 01:45.36 | hesco | ok, thanks, will try that, though last time I did, it seemed to remember the partition table. |
| 01:46.29 | factor | abrotman , http://pastebin.com/CFc5F4GT |
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| 01:46.37 | nsadmin | does this partition table have other info on it? other partitions? |
| 01:47.00 | nsadmin | if so, do these partitions defined thereby have important data |
| 01:47.16 | factor | abrotman , also this is debian java version : Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_16-b01) |
| 01:47.17 | SimplySeth | recommended size for /boot ? |
| 01:47.39 | hesco | none, brand new drives |
| 01:47.40 | nsadmin | how many kernels do you want to store? |
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| 01:47.57 | nsadmin | then you could zero the partition tables |
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| 01:48.20 | Titan8990 | karsten: good |
| 01:48.26 | nsadmin | were you partitioning the raid or partitioning a drive? |
| 01:48.56 | eradiate | nvm heh |
| 01:49.06 | pzn | "head -n 56034969 file1 > file2" what may be wrong? output stops with around 76000 lines. is 56M a number too big for the application "head" ? |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | factor: can you get it to open a filesystem image ? |
| 01:49.24 | factor | humm dont know |
| 01:49.28 | factor | hold on |
| 01:49.41 | karsten | My next problem is that windowmaker's dock appears to be b0rken. |
| 01:49.45 | karsten | :( |
| 01:49.46 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: only 1 .. 2 max .. I'm going with 100MB |
| 01:50.02 | nsadmin | how large is your storage |
| 01:50.12 | nsadmin | that sounds ok |
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| 01:51.20 | Openfree` | how can force remove packages with iRF flags? "dpkg -r" doesn't work for me |
| 01:51.33 | Openfree` | is it possible to remove it manually? |
| 01:51.43 | nsadmin | Openfree`: why doesn't it work? |
| 01:52.09 | factor | <abrotman>I tried it with file://home/factor/src/java_scale/logo.gif |
| 01:52.13 | factor | and no go |
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| 01:52.30 | factor | oh hold on let me get it with wget |
| 01:52.43 | Openfree` | because the package in bad inconsistent state, it force me to reinstall, but every time I install it, it just fail... |
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| 01:53.03 | nsadmin | how do you try to install it? |
| 01:53.05 | pzn | sorry about my previous post... another app truncated "file1", it is not the same file as when I started to analyse. nothing is wrong about command "head" anymore. |
| 01:53.17 | Openfree` | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 01:53.17 | dpkg | removes a kidney from openfree` and replaces it with *.deb |
| 01:53.20 | nsadmin | why does it fail? |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | factor: i'm not a java dev .. maybe it's really a coding issue ? |
| 01:53.44 | Kazuha | wonders.... |
| 01:53.46 | factor | abrotman, yes works if I wget the file and then pull it in with file |
| 01:54.05 | factor | nope |
| 01:54.05 | Kazuha | Is there any convenient way to Create Kernel, and then turn it into a .deb? |
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| 01:54.09 | abrotman | Openfree`: use a pastebin |
| 01:54.23 | factor | I just changed it from http to file and pointed it to the filesystem location and it worked |
| 01:54.56 | jhambo | Is there some way to see the history of what aptitude has done (aka how did I screw myself so bad...)? |
| 01:55.03 | factor | if I use http:// it get file not found |
| 01:55.20 | Openfree` | nsadmin, seems it try to run few scripts , http://pastebin.com/Umdjb4Xk |
| 01:55.21 | factor | and others who dont use debian say the code works |
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| 01:56.04 | Openfree` | I'm using a chroot env to install mer packages.. |
| 01:56.15 | Kazuha | jhambo: /var/log/aptitude* and /var/log/dpkg* |
| 01:57.00 | SimplySeth | nsadmin: installing on a 20GB disk image |
| 01:57.07 | jhambo | Kazuha: make-kpkg? |
| 01:57.13 | jhambo | Kazuha: thanks |
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| 01:57.24 | factor | abrotman, I think it may be another network bug |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | Openfree`: which version of linux is this ? |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | factor: there's a whole BTS .. make sure you're up to date |
| 01:57.49 | nsadmin | Openfree`: do you have /dev and /proc mounted on your chroot? |
| 01:57.55 | factor | BTS? |
| 01:57.59 | Kazuha | Also, if you're running Unstable, I can tell you where you "went wrong". |
| 01:58.06 | factor | abrotman, what is a BTS? |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | factor: bugs.debian.org/bash .. for example |
| 01:58.41 | nsadmin | banana tracking system |
| 01:58.53 | factor | :) |
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| 01:59.04 | factor | I am close to update I update once a week usually |
| 01:59.47 | SimplySeth | looks at girly pink GUI installer |
| 02:00.59 | nsadmin | factor: when that happens, why will you update? |
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| 02:01.32 | factor | looks like a new base-files will be updated when I update now |
| 02:01.44 | factor | nothing java related directly |
| 02:02.02 | factor | new wget but that works fine. |
| 02:02.15 | nsadmin | so you make decisions on updating based on content? |
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| 02:02.29 | factor | I just update once a week |
| 02:02.41 | nsadmin | and what dist are you running |
| 02:02.49 | factor | debian squeeze |
| 02:03.08 | nsadmin | I see... |
| 02:03.14 | factor | Which is the penguin if I am not mistaken |
| 02:03.16 | Openfree` | nsadmin, I tried to mount /dev, also I do mount /proc /sys, and it's debian lenny |
| 02:03.33 | factor | sqeak or sqeeze |
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| 02:03.35 | nsadmin | you have to mount them on your chroot |
| 02:04.04 | nsadmin | it may be the reason you can't see the sockets |
| 02:04.46 | gyyrog | I have a question about sed |
| 02:04.55 | gyyrog | how do I get sed to write back to the file? |
| 02:05.07 | k\t | chroot=fun |
| 02:05.15 | gyyrog | it just outputs to the terminal without chaning the actual file |
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| 02:05.20 | nsadmin | cat file | sed whatever >file2 |
| 02:05.24 | Riviera | gyyrog: with the -i flag |
| 02:05.24 | nsadmin | mv file2 file |
| 02:06.12 | Riviera | gyyrog: or, portably, something like cp file backup && sed 's/../../' backup > file && rm backup |
| 02:06.20 | gyyrog | so? "sed -i '/mike/,+1d' password.txt" |
| 02:06.43 | gyyrog | portability isn't important at the moment |
| 02:06.50 | gyyrog | it never is huh? :) |
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| 02:07.31 | bblum | hey guys, what package installs the evhttp header? |
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| 02:09.43 | \amethyst | bblum: apt-file search evhttp.h => libevent-dev |
| 02:09.53 | se7en | how do i install chromium on testing |
| 02:10.28 | bblum | \amethyst: i tried... header doesn't seem to be there |
| 02:10.47 | bblum | what package provides apt-file? that seems like a nifty utility |
| 02:10.58 | nsadmin | apt-file |
| 02:11.01 | \amethyst | bblum: the package apt-file :) |
| 02:11.05 | nsadmin | shocking, huh? |
| 02:11.11 | bblum | heh. |
| 02:11.11 | factor | abrotman, got the latest update of squeeze and still the same issue |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | that's why i mentioned the BTS |
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| 02:11.39 | \amethyst | bblum: what Debian release? it's there in lenny, squeeze, and sid? |
| 02:11.48 | factor | oh place it on the bug netowrk |
| 02:12.01 | nsadmin | barak trading symposium? |
| 02:12.15 | bblum | etch, \amethyst |
| 02:12.26 | \amethyst | bblum: oh |
| 02:12.51 | \amethyst | !bindv6only |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. |
| 02:12.54 | \amethyst | factor: ^^^ |
| 02:13.07 | factor | piv issue is not my proboem |
| 02:13.14 | factor | IPV6 issue |
| 02:13.15 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 02:13.23 | factor | I ran into that one already |
| 02:13.42 | factor | -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true <---this fixes that on command line |
| 02:13.47 | nsadmin | factor: have you checked the bts yet? |
| 02:13.48 | factor | this is another issue |
| 02:13.53 | factor | not yet |
| 02:13.53 | \amethyst | oh, sorry |
| 02:14.46 | se7en | what is the best way to install chromium-browser on squeeze |
| 02:14.55 | k\t | domestic violence and murder for an ip... 40 years into the future... all seems so... |
| 02:14.56 | \amethyst | factor: hm... it works for me |
| 02:14.57 | k\t | oops |
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| 02:15.05 | \amethyst | factor: and you said your java is sun-java6 ? |
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| 02:15.19 | \amethyst | factor: I guess it would be given the sun.net stuff |
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| 02:15.31 | near | hi anyone knows a good program to check how much processor are programs using? |
| 02:15.36 | \amethyst | near: top |
| 02:15.42 | se7en | htop |
| 02:15.42 | factor | \amethyst, yes you are correct |
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| 02:16.17 | near | and how can i tell which processor is being used x% |
| 02:16.18 | \amethyst | bblum: the etch version of libeevent-dev doesn't have evhttp.h |
| 02:16.24 | factor | BTS says no reports found for java |
| 02:16.40 | bblum | \amethyst: that's a shame... anything i can do short of upgrading the whole distro? |
| 02:16.49 | near | i mean is there a way to assign a program to a single processor? |
| 02:17.29 | \amethyst | bblum: it looks like the lenny version in in etch-backports |
| 02:17.35 | \amethyst | factor: try sun-java6-jre |
| 02:18.06 | bblum | \amethyst: haven't used this machine's package manager in ages; how do i get that version? |
| 02:18.23 | factor | notta |
| 02:18.43 | \amethyst | near: taskset from the package schedutils |
| 02:19.50 | \amethyst | near: it lets you fix a running process to a certain CPU or set of CPUs, or run a process fixed to certain CPUs |
| 02:19.51 | near | thanks |
| 02:20.00 | \amethyst | near: the concept is called "CPU affinity" in Linux |
| 02:20.12 | near | this would be great vmware is using my 4 cpus for a single vm |
| 02:20.20 | near | and i get a 110% of usage with top |
| 02:20.33 | \amethyst | near: 110% of usage means slightly over 1 CPU |
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| 02:21.52 | near | weird then .. with system monitor i see 3 cpus in 80% |
| 02:23.03 | nsadmin | bblum so were you planning on upgrading to lenny? |
| 02:23.24 | \amethyst | factor: what version of the sun-java6-jre package, btw? |
| 02:23.27 | bblum | nsadmin: not really... this is an old server machine; most of my demands on it are file storage and uptime :) |
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| 02:24.15 | \amethyst | bblum: and security? |
| 02:24.16 | nsadmin | ok... if it's not directly facing the internet, probably won't have to worry about securith |
| 02:24.43 | factor | says something about 6.19 |
| 02:24.47 | factor | I use 6.16 |
| 02:24.56 | gyyrog | i need to send an email via terminal in a one line command. how do I do this? |
| 02:25.00 | factor | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg277570.html |
| 02:25.05 | nsadmin | man mail |
| 02:25.21 | bblum | well, actually it does face the internet |
| 02:25.21 | factor | talks about 6.19 in squeeze but I run 6.16 still |
| 02:25.28 | factor | <\amethyst>^ |
| 02:25.28 | bblum | are there known security holes? :o |
| 02:25.42 | eduardbulai | mail -s "subject" bla@example.com < mailtext.file |
| 02:25.49 | \amethyst | factor: hm... it works for me with 6.18-3 (1.6.0_18)---my sid isn't up-to-date |
| 02:26.01 | nsadmin | bblum: hmm. anything important on it? security updates are going to stop if they haven't already |
| 02:26.07 | \amethyst | factor: 6.16 is the current version in squeeze |
| 02:26.10 | factor | wonder why it wont upgrade my java |
| 02:26.15 | factor | oh ok |
| 02:26.22 | factor | how can I get the 6.19 |
| 02:26.26 | bblum | nsadmin: depends on what you mean by important... nothing i couldn't live without |
| 02:26.33 | \amethyst | factor: sid currently has 6.20 |
| 02:26.40 | factor | nice |
| 02:26.52 | nsadmin | in that case you could probably chill... |
| 02:26.58 | \amethyst | factor: hm |
| 02:27.00 | factor | so upgrade to unstable |
| 02:27.12 | factor | or does squeeze have a 6.19 |
| 02:27.14 | bblum | nsadmin: chat logs, music, etc. |
| 02:27.21 | nsadmin | factor: do you really need that version? |
| 02:27.23 | bblum | apt-get update/upgrade, since he hasn't done in a while |
| 02:27.25 | \amethyst | factor: well, that might be a bit excessive... checking the dependencies |
| 02:27.29 | factor | if it fixes my issue yes |
| 02:27.53 | \amethyst | well, we haven't established whether it's a bug in Java or something else wrong with your system |
| 02:28.16 | \amethyst | let me try it on a lenny machine |
| 02:28.35 | factor | ok |
| 02:28.44 | factor | you have the code in the pastebin |
| 02:29.01 | \amethyst | factor: it also works on lenny, 6.13 |
| 02:29.10 | factor | ohh nice |
| 02:29.19 | factor | so upgrade or downgrade |
| 02:29.34 | factor | do you have a squeeze |
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| 02:30.35 | \amethyst | factor: not ATM, give me a minute |
| 02:30.57 | factor | ok thanks |
| 02:31.32 | nsadmin | bblum: it seems like you're a chill person... so you're not likely to attract angry hackers... and probably you don't go to irc nets where curious hackers hang out... you'll probably be fine for awhile :) |
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| 02:32.13 | bblum | nsadmin: indeed, thanks :) |
| 02:32.27 | gyyrog | all the mail examples redirect a text file to the mail command. can i just append it with the message I want to send? it is only one line |
| 02:32.35 | \amethyst | factor: it'll be a little while; this isn't the fastest machine in the world |
| 02:32.44 | factor | :) ok |
| 02:33.01 | factor | I am hre for a bit in second life watcing an event . :) |
| 02:33.51 | nsadmin | bblum: I usually tell people they should keep backups so they can reinstall if they have to |
| 02:34.00 | gyyrog | mail -s password user@somewhere.com "this is your new password" ? |
| 02:34.06 | bblum | this server is my backup server :P |
| 02:34.23 | lifestream | Is there some sort of.. software, or something, that makes reading mailing lists easier? (I hate tracking on email, and I hate having to click next message on this discussion, next next next ad infinitum) |
| 02:34.26 | nsadmin | this is getting worse and worse :) |
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| 02:34.57 | nsadmin | so the backups that are placed on it... of some value? |
| 02:35.02 | \amethyst | bblum: you really should either upgrade, or not have it facing the internet |
| 02:35.33 | bblum | \amethyst: is there a way to do it that doesn't involve sitting down with the machine and a boot CD? |
| 02:35.36 | nsadmin | it'll take awhile, but you have that fat uni connection |
| 02:35.50 | nsadmin | oh absolutely |
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| 02:35.55 | \amethyst | bblum: indeed |
| 02:36.01 | nsadmin | you don't need an install cd at all |
| 02:36.17 | bblum | because i try to avoid rebooting the machine as much as possible, and it presently hasn't got a CD drive hooked up |
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| 02:36.26 | bblum | and i wouldn't trust it to boot if i changed the IDE configuration |
| 02:36.27 | bblum | <_< |
| 02:36.28 | \amethyst | bblum: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:36.39 | nsadmin | wow ;) |
| 02:36.43 | \amethyst | bblum: you *might* have to reboot depending on your current kernel version |
| 02:36.51 | \amethyst | bblum: are you running 2.6.18 or later? |
| 02:36.55 | nsadmin | as the server flushes |
| 02:37.01 | nsadmin | days of our backups |
| 02:37.02 | bblum | 2.6.18 exactly |
| 02:37.14 | bblum | r6, i think |
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| 02:37.58 | nsadmin | why would you think it can't boot? |
| 02:38.21 | nsadmin | you mention changing the ide config |
| 02:38.48 | bblum | the bios is like 23423503948523 years old; it has failed to boot before at the slightest change in hardware config |
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| 02:40.58 | nsadmin | wow... that's almost as many years as there are particles in Cambridge, Mass,,, |
| 02:41.23 | bblum | some time travel may have been involved. |
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| 02:43.29 | gyyrog | this doesnt work " mail -s password mmalleis@gmail.com 'this is your new password'" what am I doint wrong? |
| 02:44.06 | nsadmin | it needs to be fed to mail's stdin |
| 02:44.15 | gyyrog | how do I do that? |
| 02:44.15 | nsadmin | try these: |
| 02:44.30 | nsadmin | echo 'this is your new password' |
| 02:44.40 | tharkun | gyyrog: mail [-eIinv] [-a header] [-b bcc-addr] [-c cc-addr] [-s subject] to-addr ... [-- sendmail-options ...] |
| 02:44.52 | nsadmin | echo 'this is your new password' | mail -s password mmalleis@gmail.com |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | gyyrog: echo "foo" | mail -s "Subject" user@host.com |
| 02:46.07 | tharkun | gyyrog: man mail ;þ |
| 02:46.17 | nsadmin | mail man! |
| 02:46.40 | tharkun | gyyrog: if you need more sophisticated mail on cli man mutt is your friend |
| 02:47.13 | \amethyst | but given the age of your system I wouldn't be surprised if large file support were not enabled |
| 02:47.17 | \amethyst | doh |
| 02:47.18 | \amethyst | wrong channel |
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| 02:47.49 | nsadmin | commands all the nses! |
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| 02:48.08 | gyyrog | abrotman: that works, but the subject is empty with or without quotes around the text |
| 02:48.34 | \amethyst | gyyrog: what was the exact command you used? |
| 02:48.38 | nsadmin | then you're doing it wrong |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | or he has the only MTA that strips subjects? :) |
| 02:49.12 | gyyrog | echo 'foo' | mail -s 'password' mmalleis@gmail.com |
| 02:49.31 | nsadmin | that should work fine |
| 02:49.49 | gyyrog | yeah, foo is in the body, but there is no subject |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | was that really the exact command ? or osmething you're just showing us an example for ? |
| 02:49.55 | nsadmin | what's your /etc/debian_version |
| 02:50.01 | gyyrog | the exact command |
| 02:50.13 | gyyrog | It is a solaris system actually |
| 02:50.25 | gyyrog | ask there? |
| 02:50.28 | nsadmin | oh... so not debian? |
| 02:50.40 | gyyrog | yeah, but mail should be the same no? |
| 02:50.45 | nsadmin | we're not expected to know solaris :) |
| 02:51.06 | nsadmin | should and almost count in horseshoes! |
| 02:51.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | this has been going on for how long ? |
| 02:51.42 | nsadmin | there's a song by that paraphrase |
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| 02:52.03 | Tramp | here or in ##linux? |
| 02:52.51 | nsadmin | but read the local man page on mail |
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| 02:53.00 | nsadmin | you almost have it, just deal with it |
| 02:53.11 | \amethyst | factor: works for me in squeeze too |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | there is a #solaris IIRC |
| 02:53.23 | \amethyst | factor: so the problem's not in Java, muse be something else |
| 02:53.48 | meoblast001 | how does one run dpkg-buildpackage as multicore? |
| 02:53.52 | meoblast001 | or must i add that manually? |
| 02:53.58 | \amethyst | gyyrog: solaris /usr/bin/mail doesn't have a -s option |
| 02:54.12 | \amethyst | gyyrog: if you have mailx you might try that |
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| 02:54.44 | nsadmin | \amethyst: does it have a -a like mailx? |
| 02:55.28 | yakamo | im using an old laptop as a DHCP server, is it possible to make use of the modem and and replace my netgear router all together, i have a vdsl2 connection |
| 02:55.29 | \amethyst | meoblast001: pass it -j4 (where 4 is the number of things you want it to run at the same time) |
| 02:55.42 | \amethyst | meoblast001: or export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=4 |
| 02:55.59 | meoblast001 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:56.17 | factor | <\amethyst>Thanks |
| 02:56.18 | \amethyst | meoblast001: hm, in the second case you might also need export MAKEFLAGS=-j4 |
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| 02:57.00 | meoblast001 | thanks |
| 02:57.00 | nsadmin | my final comment on the subject... if you would have followed my FIRST suggestion, you would have found either what you need or that it doesn't do the subject line |
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| 03:01.23 | meoblast001 | i need a bleeding edge libdrm |
| 03:01.29 | meoblast001 | is there a place where i can get it? |
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| 03:02.08 | nsadmin | take a look at the copyright file of the libdrm you have |
| 03:02.24 | meoblast001 | does DRM come with kernel source? |
| 03:02.47 | meoblast001 | wait, nv |
| 03:02.49 | meoblast001 | nvm |
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| 03:03.08 | meoblast001 | i love broken autogen files |
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| 03:03.40 | nsadmin | why is it broken? |
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| 03:04.04 | meoblast001 | i don't know |
| 03:04.05 | ham5 | donno |
| 03:04.11 | meoblast001 | they weren't broken when i was using Ubuntu |
| 03:04.16 | meoblast001 | so maybe it's a system problem? |
| 03:04.32 | meoblast001 | when was Lenny released? |
| 03:04.39 | nsadmin | you're trying to do what rightnow? |
| 03:04.46 | meoblast001 | install Nouveau |
| 03:05.03 | nsadmin | what is this autogen file in? |
| 03:05.08 | dbk | dpkg tell meoblast001 about lenny |
| 03:05.33 | pzn | I have a server running debian with AMD64x4 5600+ and 6GbRam. 8 clients with AMD Semprom 1.8Gb and 1GbRam. today I don't use the clients processor power... clients only run ltsp client. is there a simple way to use clients processor power for the server? like cluster computing? |
| 03:05.38 | se7en | what is the best way to install chromium-browser on squeeze |
| 03:05.40 | nsadmin | aren't you the tcl rel mgr? |
| 03:05.47 | meoblast001 | drm mesa xf86-video-nouveau |
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| 03:05.51 | meoblast001 | all of tem |
| 03:05.54 | meoblast001 | them* |
| 03:05.55 | factor | <\amethyst>also, what version of java does your squeeze have? |
| 03:06.11 | meoblast001 | ooh |
| 03:06.16 | meoblast001 | Feb 15 , 2009 |
| 03:06.19 | meoblast001 | AKA old as dirt |
| 03:06.43 | dbk | dirt is older by several orders of magnitude |
| 03:07.35 | nsadmin | your frustration is leaking, right now you tend to avoid supplying relevent info |
| 03:07.58 | \amethyst | factor: 6-16-1 (1.6.0_16) |
| 03:08.09 | factor | <\amethyst>ok thanks |
| 03:08.17 | meoblast001 | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 |
| 03:08.50 | nsadmin | is all that stuff installed? |
| 03:08.50 | factor | <\amethyst> is that beta 01 or just 1 |
| 03:08.59 | factor | mine has b01 |
| 03:09.00 | \amethyst | factor: 1.6.0_16-b01 |
| 03:09.05 | factor | ok |
| 03:09.17 | \amethyst | factor: that's not 'beta', it's the build number |
| 03:09.23 | factor | ahh ok |
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| 03:10.25 | meoblast001 | nsadmin, yes |
| 03:10.39 | meoblast001 | ./configure: line 20621: syntax error near unexpected token `RANDR,' |
| 03:11.26 | nsadmin | ok, is there a configure script present when you untar? |
| 03:11.31 | meoblast001 | no |
| 03:11.35 | meoblast001 | because i don't untar |
| 03:11.36 | meoblast001 | i ungit |
| 03:11.46 | meoblast001 | these are bleeding edge packages |
| 03:12.04 | nsadmin | find out what versions of auto* they need |
| 03:12.10 | meoblast001 | i don't know |
| 03:12.17 | wols_ | ,versions autoconf |
| 03:12.19 | judd | autoconf -- etch: 2.61-4; lenny: 2.61-8; lenny-backports: 2.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.65-4; squeeze: 2.65-4 |
| 03:12.28 | meoblast001 | hold on, can't think at the moment |
| 03:12.29 | meoblast001 | panic attack |
| 03:12.32 | nsadmin | hmm, that's not a really wide range |
| 03:12.33 | wols_ | backports are a wonderful thing |
| 03:12.40 | meoblast001 | i'll do this some other time |
| 03:13.22 | \amethyst | other versions of autoconf are in packages with different names |
| 03:13.35 | nsadmin | maybe the backported version could help you |
| 03:14.01 | meoblast001 | someone recommended i try Gentoo |
| 03:14.18 | nsadmin | , versions gcc |
| 03:14.19 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 03:14.23 | meoblast001 | here goes my entire week |
| 03:14.26 | meoblast001 | i had work to get done |
| 03:14.30 | meoblast001 | and i haven't gotten one ounce of it done |
| 03:14.50 | meoblast001 | why am i always pressured with a constant parade of interruptions |
| 03:14.59 | qwd | Cool story bro |
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| 03:15.19 | nsadmin | scarcity story |
| 03:15.28 | nsadmin | victim story |
| 03:16.15 | nsadmin | try telling the story like you chose every aspect of it |
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| 03:18.12 | Kapace | how can i check what package a command is from? |
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| 03:19.16 | Tramp | !tell Kapace -about search |
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| 03:24.09 | NoCode | Has anyone had any luck getting a HP 6210 All-In-One working in Squeeze? I can't seem to get it recognized by hplip, and the hpjis drivers. |
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| 03:31.59 | Kazuha | NoCode: I've given up on trying to get printers to work with systems I use. |
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| 03:32.05 | Kazuha | They all hate me. |
| 03:32.10 | Kazuha | (The printers.) |
| 03:32.14 | NoCode | =\ |
| 03:32.47 | MoMo | I am looking for a decent laptop that I can run debian from -- the reason I am asking for recommendations is because i've always had trouble getting a laptop going with linux -- i would like something who's hardware is already well supported |
| 03:33.03 | MoMo | ^^^ i'm also sort of interested in netbooks |
| 03:33.10 | NoCode | Well, if I can't get this working, I'm installing Ubuntu because I /need/ my resume printed, and I only use Debian at the moment. |
| 03:33.38 | NoCode | I wonder what Ubuntu has installed to get things printed right from the get-go |
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| 03:34.14 | NoCode | I also just bought new ink. :| |
| 03:34.15 | Kazuha | Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. |
| 03:34.50 | Kazuha | Is this a USB or Parallel printer? |
| 03:34.54 | Gnurdux | its pretty loosely based at this point though |
| 03:35.15 | Kazuha | I thought it got its new packages from Unstable? |
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| 03:39.00 | NoCode | Kazuha, USB |
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| 03:43.34 | eradiate | anyone here good with routing b/w vlan on a linux gw? |
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| 03:43.49 | meoblast001 | ok |
| 03:43.51 | meoblast001 | i've calmed down a bit |
| 03:44.30 | Bop | eradiate, ip masquerading ? |
| 03:44.51 | newguy | Hello, o need help. I use Squeeze AMD64. Is there some time i don't upgrade, and i think i done nothing different. But now everytime i reboot i get "Waiting for root file system..." for a long time; |
| 03:44.51 | meoblast001 | ./configure: line 20621: syntax error near unexpected token `RANDR,' ./configure: line 20621: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RANDR, randrproto)' |
| 03:44.57 | meoblast001 | what might that be |
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| 03:46.11 | newguy | after a <really> long time i get something with busybox and initramfs sh. |
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| 03:46.53 | eradiate | Bop: i'm thinking ip route , i'm just trying to route all net traffic from vlan with ip 20.103 to the default gw on my linux gw |
| 03:47.10 | NoCode | Got it working. :D Don't ask me how. |
| 03:47.29 | eradiate | not sure if i need to disable net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter |
| 03:47.46 | newguy | Please help me, i don't know what to do. i have found stuff like this http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11653 , but i haven't changed kernel or upgrade for a long time. |
| 03:47.59 | Bop | eradiate, to have internet access on vlan trought linux gw ? |
| 03:48.05 | eradiate | Bop: yes |
| 03:48.12 | eradiate | Bop: oh no |
| 03:48.45 | eradiate | Bop: i'm trying to get to that point, but i can access the servers on that vlan w/o probs |
| 03:49.00 | eradiate | Bop: on the gw i have net access |
| 03:49.33 | Bop | for vlan having access u need a iptables rules , to gw forward all traffic |
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| 03:50.32 | wols_ | Bop: enable ip forwarding |
| 03:50.40 | Bop | yes |
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| 03:51.09 | Bop | no packages of virtualbox for 2.6.30.bpo :( |
| 03:51.32 | wols_ | newguy: what debian version is it? whats your menu.lst content and your fdisk -l output? |
| 03:51.45 | Bop | and source fails to compile |
| 03:51.50 | wols_ | Bop: you have to build the module(s) on your own |
| 03:51.57 | wols_ | !tell Bop about errors |
| 03:51.59 | Bop | i got the source , but it fail |
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| 03:52.58 | wols_ | Bop: you need the kernel headers for your kernel, I guess your old kernel version isn't in bpo anymore |
| 03:53.04 | newguy | wols_: Squeeze AMD64. I had a grub.cfg |
| 03:53.13 | newguy | *i have |
| 03:53.49 | Bop | i have the headers |
| 03:54.02 | wols_ | well, the do what dpkg told you for a change |
| 03:54.09 | wols_ | *then |
| 03:54.22 | Bop | sorry ? |
| 03:54.37 | Bop | i cant use 2.6.32.bpo |
| 03:54.43 | Bop | it freezes my debian |
| 03:54.50 | Bop | after a few minutes |
| 03:55.18 | wols_ | then don't use it? use the normal lenny kernel |
| 03:55.47 | Bop | normal lenny makes my wifi signal too low |
| 03:56.00 | skinnypup | 2.6.32 works fine with crunchbang 10 now based on debian |
| 03:56.01 | Bop | 20% , with this is 64% |
| 03:56.06 | wols_ | then maybe use a current bpo kernel |
| 03:56.22 | wols_ | skinnypup: that's nice but we don't support crunchbang |
| 03:56.22 | Bop | current is 2.6.32-3 , also freezes |
| 03:56.32 | Bop | i've runned all possibilities |
| 03:56.47 | skinnypup | right |
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| 03:57.26 | Bop | but i solved my wifi disconnect problem ... should stayed in sid :s |
| 03:57.57 | aarcane | so is there any planned update to debian 5 in the very near future that I should wait for before a new install ? |
| 03:58.05 | Bop | i downgraded because of it, and it was the same ... then i found a solution |
| 03:58.41 | wols_ | aarcane: no |
| 03:58.50 | aarcane | thanks, wols_ |
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| 03:59.07 | Bop | from what time to time is debian stable upgraded ? |
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| 03:59.38 | nsadmin | stable is not upgraded |
| 03:59.40 | newguy | wols_: http://pastebin.org/163929 |
| 04:00.04 | Bop | no ? it means , when debian 6 is launched i cannot update it ? |
| 04:00.08 | nsadmin | but point releases fix very very important bugs (not less severe ones; stable is RELEASED) |
| 04:00.17 | johnfg_ | I just installed ldap account manager, and it configured fine, but it won't let me log in. |
| 04:00.27 | schord | so I seem to have broken a lot of things by trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade on debian testing |
| 04:00.54 | nsadmin | generally speaking, versions of most things will. not. change. period. |
| 04:01.08 | nsadmin | that's what stability is |
| 04:01.19 | schord | everything is failing because of unmet dependencies and apt-get -f install fails every time it gets to udev_151-3_amd64.deb |
| 04:01.22 | JyZyXEL | so if you find a normal bug in stable its gonna be fixed in the testing? |
| 04:01.27 | Bop | but debian 6 will be released some day |
| 04:01.30 | Bop | as stable |
| 04:01.59 | nsadmin | correct, and when that happens, versions again will generally not be upgraded |
| 04:02.06 | Bop | :o |
| 04:02.45 | JyZyXEL | so if theres a bug in some lenny package you have to wait few years for the fix :-D |
| 04:03.36 | nsadmin | if it's in severities wishlist, normal, maybe grave, they won't be dealt with, no |
| 04:04.31 | JyZyXEL | so bug reports are pretty much a waste of time in stable unless its something really SRS |
| 04:04.48 | nsadmin | if it's of severity critical -- which woudl mean it causes other packages to not work properly or there is a security issue, that would get fixed |
| 04:05.02 | nsadmin | correct |
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| 04:06.25 | nsadmin | having said all that, you can look into what volatile repos are |
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| 04:07.06 | eradiate | bob: ip_forward is enabled |
| 04:07.19 | eradiate | Bop: i think my routes is messed up |
| 04:07.52 | eradiate | Bop: do i need to do something like route add net x.x.20.0/24 default gw 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 04:08.56 | JyZyXEL | not many packages in volatile |
| 04:09.10 | nsadmin | you do those separately |
| 04:09.23 | JyZyXEL | http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/pool/volatile/main/ |
| 04:09.54 | nsadmin | route add -net a.b.c.d netmask e.f.g.h ethWhatever |
| 04:10.11 | nsadmin | route add default gw i.j.k.l |
| 04:11.26 | nsadmin | but that's all oldschool... you can use it if you want, but you can also use ip |
| 04:12.04 | JyZyXEL | whats the state of squeeze, when is it releasing? 2 years? |
| 04:12.20 | nsadmin | wir |
| 04:12.22 | eradiate | nsadmin: how do i del a route net x y z i keep getting SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument |
| 04:12.40 | JyZyXEL | but wasn't there some graph about that |
| 04:12.44 | JyZyXEL | like the amount of open bugs |
| 04:12.56 | JyZyXEL | and once it goes down enough the release is considered ready |
| 04:13.14 | nsadmin | eradiate show the route you mean |
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| 04:14.19 | nsadmin | or if you added it using route, show the complete, exact, nonexample commandline |
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| 04:17.46 | JyZyXEL | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 04:18.40 | Bop | so what can i do to compile virtualbox modules on my kernel |
| 04:18.50 | Bop | as it fails |
| 04:19.09 | JyZyXEL | we need to have like a The Gathering or Dreamhack sized bug squashing party |
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| 04:21.49 | nsadmin | if you can get that many people who want to install sid or squeeze and find/report bugs... by all means, go, run do it now |
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| 04:22.13 | JyZyXEL | lots of beer would be needed |
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| 04:22.32 | JyZyXEL | gotta partner up with a brewer |
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| 04:25.56 | hesco | I have deleted my partition table and started from scratch multiple times now. I have 2x 500gb sata drives on which I want to build a RAID-1 mirror. I divvied up each drive into nine partitions. In the Debian installer I choose 'Configure Software RAID', then I 'Create MD device' and and choose 9 active and zero inactive partitions. But after it writes the part table to disk, I see only one partition for RAID Device #0. What gives? W |
| 04:25.56 | hesco | I missing here, please? |
| 04:27.42 | nevyn | hesco: why have you partitioned your system into nine partitions? |
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| 04:29.07 | allure | Hi. I can use my usb headphone just fine, except in browsers. Any ideas? My google-fu was not enough this time... |
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| 04:32.04 | maxagaz | when sending a message with the command mail, can I set the sender's address ? |
| 04:32.47 | nevyn | hesco: ping |
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| 04:33.17 | hesco | I like to split out logs and mail and such into their own partitions so that filling those does not shut down the machine |
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| 04:35.13 | nevyn | hesco: use lvm for this |
| 04:35.16 | nevyn | much more sane |
| 04:35.48 | nevyn | hesco: the problem is. |
| 04:36.14 | eradiate | nsadmin: if say i want to go from vlan -> router -> internet, do i need to nat the traffic on the router? |
| 04:37.05 | nsadmin | if you have enough real IP addresses, you don't need to use NAT at all |
| 04:37.17 | nevyn | 18 partitions 9 md's and 9 filesystems will make you go crazy |
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| 04:37.57 | allure | I can use my usb headphone just fine, except in browsers. Any ideas? My google-fu was not enough this time... |
| 04:38.09 | eradiate | nsadmin: well i'm actually going through vlan -> linux gw (vlan aware) -> router -> network |
| 04:38.26 | eradiate | nsadmin: last hop is the internet |
| 04:38.33 | hesco | isn't adding LVM to the mix only an additional complicating factor? |
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| 04:38.45 | eradiate | nsadmin: but i'm not sure the exact route i need to get out |
| 04:38.52 | hesco | Putting those nine partitions on an IDE never pushed me over the edge |
| 04:39.10 | eradiate | nsadmin: i don't think my router understand the vlan tag, so do i need to nat the traffic on my linux gw? |
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| 04:41.39 | nsadmin | I understand static routing pretty well, mostly having an internal NAT defined by the router, a connection to the internet, a hub and some machines |
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| 04:42.02 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with vlan routing |
| 04:42.32 | nsadmin | hesco: you might not want to put lvm on a software raid |
| 04:45.51 | meoblast001 | what package contains dri2proto? |
| 04:45.57 | meoblast001 | for X11 |
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| 04:47.49 | nsadmin | !search |
| 04:47.49 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 04:48.09 | nevyn | hesco: think about it like this. if the disk fails. |
| 04:48.19 | nevyn | you have to recreate the partition table on a new device |
| 04:48.31 | nevyn | then reassemble 9 md arrays and have them re-build |
| 04:48.45 | nevyn | if you use lvm on MD life's much simpler |
| 04:48.53 | nevyn | not to mention more flexible |
| 04:49.34 | meoblast001 | !search dri2proto |
| 04:49.43 | meoblast001 | oh, sorry |
| 04:49.48 | meoblast001 | i'm sleep deprived |
| 04:49.50 | meoblast001 | not thinking |
| 04:50.04 | meoblast001 | apt-cache returns nothing |
| 04:50.15 | meoblast001 | maybe Debian maintainers forgot to package dri2proto? |
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| 04:51.10 | hesco | ok, i think i might take the guided approach on this next attempt |
| 04:52.12 | nevyn | hesco: if you're even considering using the guided aproach you should not be making 9 partitions imho |
| 04:52.34 | nevyn | hesco: why not put lvm on a software raid? |
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| 04:52.46 | nevyn | nsadmin: why not put lvm on a softare raid? |
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| 04:53.10 | nevyn | so there's the whole write barrier thing but other than that.... |
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| 04:53.59 | nsadmin | personally if I have the choice of a software raid and a single drive to put lvm on, I choose the single drive every time |
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| 04:54.46 | nevyn | nsadmin: that doesn't make sense |
| 04:54.52 | nevyn | they do different things... |
| 04:55.13 | nevyn | well ok if you're doing raid 1 lvm can do it. |
| 04:55.13 | nsadmin | I just don't prefer software raid |
| 04:55.20 | nevyn | over? |
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| 04:55.31 | nsadmin | anything |
| 04:55.39 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:56.02 | nevyn | suspects nsadmin is a hw raidcontrollers ftw type. |
| 04:56.14 | nsadmin | software raid doesn't have the reliability I'm looking for |
| 04:56.29 | nsadmin | hardware raid is acceptable, but expensive |
| 04:56.50 | nevyn | it's expensive for something that is truely h/w raid |
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| 04:57.14 | nevyn | like AUD1000 and you're in the ballpark for a 8port controller |
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| 04:57.56 | nsadmin | looking into 3ware, I see folks that prefer other hwraid cards more, so I never ended up getting one |
| 04:58.02 | nsadmin | hence single drive :) |
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| 04:58.32 | nsadmin | I also won't have a vg covering pvs on different drives or raids |
| 04:58.32 | nevyn | LVM with a redundant PV group is something that always interested me. |
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| 04:58.55 | nevyn | I wish someone would fix the LVM layer to pass write barriers correctly |
| 04:59.34 | nsadmin | personally, for me, it's too much trouble, and too many moving parts |
| 05:00.03 | nevyn | I can't buy single disks big enough for my needs |
| 05:00.12 | nevyn | hence md raid and LVM |
| 05:00.33 | nsadmin | so you -have- to go there |
| 05:00.37 | nevyn | the money spent on controllers would be better spent on more spindles imho |
| 05:01.05 | nevyn | mythtv with big spool (several TB) |
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| 05:01.22 | nevyn | oh.. |
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| 05:01.36 | nsadmin | but the big question (for both of us) is how will you efficiently (both speedwise and monitarily) back it all up? |
| 05:01.44 | nevyn | oh. |
| 05:01.46 | nevyn | I don't care |
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| 05:02.08 | nevyn | if I loose the last week of tv recordings I'm a little sad.... but it's not the end of the world. |
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| 05:02.27 | nevyn | at the end of the day.. it's just... TV |
| 05:02.59 | nevyn | there is no effective way to do backups of media anymore |
| 05:03.07 | nevyn | it bites. |
| 05:03.25 | nevyn | online backup services are probably the best bet. |
| 05:04.09 | samantha-c | Is there a way to set a window title (CTRL-a A) via a shell script running in that window? |
| 05:04.12 | nevyn | there are things I do care about that are on multiple systems in the house and online (or at other peopleshouses) |
| 05:04.50 | nsadmin | I'm fighting myself at the moment, intellectually to me tv is a very large waste of time. additionally, there is zero resistance on the part of some content providers to use technology such as NLP to get you to believe stuff about your friendly neighborhood govt, such as it's a very good thing to contribute to its economy |
| 05:05.55 | nsadmin | samantha-c: amamda-b? |
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| 05:06.21 | nevyn | NLP? |
| 05:06.44 | nevyn | TV is a sedative for the masses right |
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| 05:07.22 | nsadmin | stripped down version of hypnosis that is more lightweight and more efficient and effective |
| 05:07.34 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:07.47 | nevyn | mythtv makes it bearable. |
| 05:07.51 | nevyn | which is good and bad. |
| 05:07.58 | nevyn | I watch more tv but less ads. |
| 05:08.08 | nsadmin | believe me... |
| 05:08.15 | nsadmin | you're watching all ads |
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| 05:08.27 | nevyn | right product placement etc |
| 05:08.47 | nsadmin | I won't dwell, but yeah, and a lot more |
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| 05:09.26 | nsadmin | when you think about the first time you've ever seen a sunset... |
| 05:09.42 | nsadmin | this causes you to do a search of your mind |
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| 05:09.50 | nsadmin | which is an altered state |
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| 05:10.28 | schord | how do I stop apt-get from trying to update udev on debian testing? |
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| 05:10.50 | LinuXY | Debian is now offically supported by Perceus 1.6, pre-release http://www.perceus.org/~astevens/perceus16.deb =) |
| 05:10.55 | nsadmin | you're running testing... and you're not expecting upgrades? |
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| 05:10.58 | schord | I've reinstalled a few times, and I'm installing other things and it tries to update udev as well |
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| 05:11.22 | schord | it always gives me "Errors were encountered while processing ..udev_151-3_amd64.deb" |
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| 05:11.39 | schord | and then breaks everything else on my system |
| 05:11.47 | samantha-c | sucks to be you, doesn't it? |
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| 05:12.05 | samantha-c | define "breaks everything." |
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| 05:12.06 | schord | nsadmin: I wouldn't mind updates if it didn't break everything |
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| 05:12.19 | schord | yeah sorry, I'm being a bit dramatic |
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| 05:12.26 | samantha-c | schord: if you want things to not break, run stable. |
| 05:12.49 | schord | I can't use apt-get to install anything any more because it errors at udev |
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| 05:12.56 | nsadmin | does the newer udev break? does it need a later kernel to work properly? |
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| 05:13.41 | hideo | jeez, wtf is Clecio doing? |
| 05:13.55 | schord | yes, I think it needs 32-3 and I'm using 26-1 |
| 05:14.03 | Suru | How to install pgbouncer on debian ? |
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| 05:14.27 | schord | but I can't compile my wireless drivers using 32-3 for some reason, so I think I'm stuck with 26-1 |
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| 05:14.54 | samantha-c | Suru: apt-get install pgbouncer? requires lenny backports, squeeze, or sid. |
| 05:14.54 | schord | so is there some way I can prevent it from trying to upgrade udev? |
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| 05:15.29 | nsadmin | you can try pinnin |
| 05:15.32 | nsadmin | g |
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| 05:16.04 | schord | nsadmin: thanks, I'll give that a go |
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| 05:16.13 | nsadmin | I've never done it, but I'm given to understand it's a way of keeping a specific package at a specific version |
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| 05:16.48 | schord | I've used it before to install something from experimental, but never to hold a package back |
| 05:17.02 | nsadmin | samantha-c, if you become very curious, you can /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 05:18.05 | samantha-c | nsadmin: actually, my point was that the package he wants isn't in lenny. |
| 05:18.14 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 05:18.23 | samantha-c | and i found that on pkg search. |
| 05:18.32 | samantha-c | what's the command to get an op's attention? |
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| 05:18.53 | nsadmin | what do you need? |
| 05:19.04 | nsadmin | someone/thing bothering you? |
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| 05:19.11 | samantha-c | would like to get rid of Clecio. makes the channel considerably less readable. |
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| 05:19.51 | incredible | I want to configure my system with 2 NIC in two subnets |
| 05:19.55 | hideo | yes, dunno wtf Clecio is doing |
| 05:19.56 | incredible | what all do I need to do? |
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| 05:20.31 | schord | :/ |
| 05:20.32 | samantha-c | incredible: your magic file here is /etc/network/interfaces. so start by looking at that file, and man interfaces. |
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| 05:20.56 | incredible | I have already configured the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 05:21.05 | incredible | and have set two NIC in different subnet |
| 05:21.07 | samantha-c | so what's your question exactly? |
| 05:21.22 | incredible | I have two such systems.. having 2 nic each |
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| 05:21.28 | incredible | and both in different subnets |
| 05:21.31 | nsadmin | incredible, so can the machine with the two interfaces ping machines on each subnet? |
| 05:21.34 | incredible | i am able to ping |
| 05:21.36 | incredible | yes |
| 05:21.43 | incredible | but I am not able to ssh into it |
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| 05:22.11 | nsadmin | can machines on each subnet ping the middle machine (what name can we call it) |
| 05:22.21 | incredible | lets say i have subnet A and B |
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| 05:22.36 | incredible | I don't have any middle machine... they are connected to two different switch |
| 05:22.59 | nsadmin | then I don't understand the point of the machine with the two nics |
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| 05:23.11 | Supaplex | twice the fun |
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| 05:23.38 | nsadmin | samantha-c, |
| 05:23.40 | incredible | physically what should be the connection for two machine to be in two different subnets? |
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| 05:24.22 | samantha-c | "what should be the connection?" huh? |
| 05:24.45 | Supaplex | ouu ouu, a router. |
| 05:25.00 | nsadmin | two machines? |
| 05:25.11 | Supaplex | why do they have to be on different subnets? |
| 05:25.32 | samantha-c | as for why you can't ssh into the seconday nics, check ListenAddress in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:26.12 | Supaplex | shutdown_-h_now: but init 0 is funner |
| 05:26.13 | incredible | ok |
| 05:27.19 | incredible | ListenAddress is commented out.. its default |
| 05:27.37 | samantha-c | so you brought up the nics and then have not rebooted the machine/restarted sshd? |
| 05:28.10 | samantha-c | restart: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 05:28.22 | samantha-c | will not kill existing connections |
| 05:28.40 | samantha-c | at least, if it does, you have way more problems than adding a second nic will fix :-) |
| 05:29.09 | incredible | ok |
| 05:33.27 | nsadmin | what are you trying to fix by having a second nic other than separate subnets? |
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| 05:36.42 | Suru | how to configure pgbouncer to postgresql ? |
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| 05:37.06 | Supaplex | Suru, what have you tried so far? |
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| 05:40.55 | Suru | Actually my postgresql server has exceeded max no. of connection 2000 |
| 05:41.33 | Supaplex | seems like a high amount |
| 05:42.08 | Supaplex | with dpkg -L package-name you can see all the files in the package. Eg, man pages, shared docs. Try there first. |
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| 05:48.12 | nsadmin | additionally postgresql is extremely well documented on postgresql.org |
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| 05:48.34 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 05:48.40 | simonrvn | hello nsadmin Supaplex |
| 05:48.52 | nsadmin | hi :) |
| 05:49.00 | Supaplex | greetings simonraven |
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| 05:49.35 | aarcane | okay, I'm confused. |
| 05:49.44 | simonrvn | !confuse aarcane |
| 05:49.44 | dpkg | Yes, those was my bacon today, aarcane? Trousers of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra cheese. |
| 05:49.45 | nsadmin | I'm nsadmin |
| 05:50.00 | Supaplex | aarcane: 1+1=3 for large values of 1. |
| 05:50.08 | simonrvn | i'm hungry |
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| 05:50.20 | Supaplex | I'm sleepy |
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| 05:50.42 | nsadmin | I'm still nsadmin but maybe not for long... feel... social... PRESSURE... |
| 05:50.46 | aarcane | I'm trying to install openssh-server on a system with no xorg, and no graphics card, and no plan of ever having a graphics card (headless server...) and it's wanting to install libx*, I don't want anything from x, what do I do ? |
| 05:50.49 | jhambo | launching kmail gives me a segmentation fault with the following dumped to the terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419658/. Any help figuring out whats going on would be greatly appreciated |
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| 05:51.16 | Bohemian | how can i get tomcat6 through ports? i'm using debian lenny and all lenny has available is 5.5 |
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| 05:51.26 | jhambo | Woops wrong channel |
| 05:51.28 | simonrvn | aarcane: it's probably for xauth or something else. need mor info. |
| 05:51.41 | nsadmin | it's installing the x client libs |
| 05:51.55 | simonrvn | Bohemian: ports? wrong channel |
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| 05:52.12 | Bohemian | erm, sorry, aptitude |
| 05:52.14 | aarcane | yeah, is there some established method to install an openssh-server that doesn't require half of X ? |
| 05:52.29 | nsadmin | see about backports |
| 05:52.41 | nsadmin | , versions tomcat |
| 05:52.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found. |
| 05:52.48 | nsadmin | , versions tomcat6 |
| 05:52.49 | judd | tomcat6 -- sid: 6.0.24-5; squeeze: 6.0.24-5 |
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| 05:53.14 | nsadmin | maybe you can backport the one from squeeze |
| 05:53.34 | elnur | Is there a way to compile packages while preserving debian conventions (say the presence of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and sites-available folders)? |
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| 05:53.58 | valdyn | aarcane: it doesn't require half of X as it is |
| 05:54.14 | JyZyXEL | elnur: you can apply the debian patches |
| 05:54.18 | nsadmin | elnur: you can compile packages from their original debianized source |
| 05:54.26 | Tramp | aarcane: "xauth" (which pulls in the libs I guess) is just a recommend. You can install without recommends or suggests |
| 05:54.28 | Supaplex | lubbors uupdate |
| 05:54.30 | nsadmin | to form packages |
| 05:54.37 | Bohemian | nsadmin: if i just download it, where should i place the tarball to extract it so it is like i installed through aptitude? in /etc ? |
| 05:55.02 | Supaplex | apt-get source > upstream-source (usually) |
| 05:55.13 | nsadmin | you can get debianized sources using apt-get source foo |
| 05:55.32 | nsadmin | just put it in your home dir |
| 05:55.52 | nsadmin | if the partition is big enough :) |
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| 05:56.06 | elnur | nsadmin, and if I compile it, it will be optimized for my CPU arch, right, while preserving debian conventions? |
| 05:56.34 | valdyn | elnur: no |
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| 05:57.10 | nsadmin | not necessarily. it's conventional wisdom that such optimization is not necessary in most cases |
| 05:57.14 | elnur | valdyn, then what's the point of being able to compile them? to be able to configure something on the compile level? |
| 05:57.36 | valdyn | elnur: debian is free software, that *implies* that you can compile it |
| 05:57.41 | nsadmin | you won't have binary packages unless someone compiles them |
| 05:57.46 | valdyn | elnur: but that doesnt make compiling beneficial |
| 05:58.39 | valdyn | elnur: usually its a waste of time. |
| 05:59.27 | Supaplex | sneezes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko |
| 06:00.01 | samantha-c | elnur: in general, unless you have a VERY specific reason for compiling a package for which there is already a binary package, it's a waste of energy. valid reasons include special builds with compile-time options and upgrades for which no binary is available. if you don't know why you're doing it, you don't need to be doing it. |
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| 06:01.26 | elnur | Yea, I understand I can compile packages, but I prefer using packages because of auto dependency resolve and preserving debian conventions. But one guy at my job thinks that compiling is better for performance reasons. |
| 06:01.45 | nsadmin | elnur: the biggest example of the ability to compile debian packages, is that the dist is geared towards automatically building everything |
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| 06:01.58 | valdyn | elnur: thats false most of the time |
| 06:02.12 | valdyn | elnur: or more precisely, its irrelevant most of the time |
| 06:02.14 | elnur | Like that bloody "premature optimization"? |
| 06:02.26 | nsadmin | there are autobuilders sitting out there cranking out packages which are then moved to their place on the mirrors |
| 06:02.35 | valdyn | elnur: your computer wont wait any faster for input just because its compiled with "special" optimisations |
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| 06:02.50 | valdyn | elnur: ( and thats what the cpu usually does - wait ) |
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| 06:03.35 | elnur | Intuitively I agree, that compiling for a particular arch will not make it really faster, but I can't prove it in arguments with our senior programmer... |
| 06:03.45 | valdyn | elnur: and even when it doesn't wait, many things cant be optmised significantly anyway |
| 06:04.04 | valdyn | elnur: that programmer should probably go back to school |
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| 06:05.08 | elnur | The problem is that he has university education, and I've finished high school only. It's the problem of credibility. In 80% of the time he says bullshit that pisses me off, but since he has that education... |
| 06:05.30 | aarcane | platform-specific instruction sets can significantly improve performance in crucial loops. |
| 06:05.47 | aarcane | most programs don't have crucial loops, or indeed any code that could benefit from platform-specific optimizations. |
| 06:05.47 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: depends on what the loop is and precisely what the code is |
| 06:05.50 | elnur | aarcane, but it's the case in say 1% of the time? |
| 06:05.58 | dondelelcaro | elnur: it's often far less than that |
| 06:06.07 | nsadmin | elnur: is he someone that if you piss him off it has financial consequences? |
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| 06:06.43 | dondelelcaro | elnur: it's basically a function of time to adminster vs. time spent debugging vs. time saved in execution |
| 06:06.55 | elnur | nsadmin, nope. he works here for 1.5 months, and I for 0.5 months :) |
| 06:07.02 | dondelelcaro | elnur: it's almost always cheaper to throw more hardware at a problem if you actually need to eek out the last couple of percent |
| 06:07.21 | Supaplex | like... a ps3 or 6 ;) |
| 06:07.36 | Supaplex | provided you were smart enough to disallow updates. >:) |
| 06:07.58 | nsadmin | if you speak more confidently, and you don't let his comments change your internal state at all, you could start winning those arguments |
| 06:08.01 | elnur | dondelelcaro, amen. totally agree with you that hardware is cheeper than programmers' time, but sometimes it seems to me that I am alone with this way of thinking in our country. |
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| 06:08.25 | dondelelcaro | elnur: well, it's pretty much always the case. |
| 06:08.35 | dondelelcaro | elnur: anyway, what you're struggling with is what we call premature optimization, anyway |
| 06:09.04 | aarcane | elnur, even with hardware being cheaper than programmer time, a moderate amount of optimization is still crucial. |
| 06:09.06 | Supaplex | gcc -O999 foom.c ;) |
| 06:09.19 | dondelelcaro | elnur: concern yourself with getting something working first, identify the slow bits, redesign, and then if necessary consider optimization |
| 06:09.23 | aarcane | Supaplex, man gcc. -O3 is the highest. |
| 06:09.32 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: depends; there's always a problem with premature optimization |
| 06:09.41 | Supaplex | man joke, it's a funny. |
| 06:09.42 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, that's what she said. |
| 06:10.04 | elnur | nsadmin, yesterday he threw himself at compiling a package for a freebsd dev server, and i told him that that's stupid, because there is a prebuild package. i told him that compiling by hand your package will not use distro conventions and stuff. he tried it again, but then gave up, and i installed that package. i won :) |
| 06:10.25 | aarcane | bed time |
| 06:10.37 | valdyn | !o |
| 06:10.37 | dpkg | it has been said that o is OH! |
| 06:10.44 | dondelelcaro | elnur: yeah, those sorts of things you just let the guy waste his time for a bit, then show him how to do it; pretty much anyone who compiles stuff like that hasn't run more than a handful of servers |
| 06:10.46 | nsadmin | you also have to remain calm and (especially) unaffected, ever |
| 06:11.16 | dondelelcaro | of course, never has to deal with the "OMG, I have more education than you" problem |
| 06:11.26 | elnur | nsadmin, it's a good idea you gave me to win him from time to time. this way i can get more credebility than him to not freaking let him do such stupid things. |
| 06:12.04 | nsadmin | he's going to do what he wants |
| 06:12.14 | nsadmin | just remember you have to work with this guy |
| 06:12.31 | Supaplex | can't you wear a shirt, "I'm with stupid." ? :) |
| 06:12.32 | nsadmin | maybe it's a better idea to consider him an asset |
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| 06:13.11 | elnur | dondelelcaro, the annoying thing is that then he uses as an argument his xp with keeping a server with more users than I had ever |
| 06:13.30 | elnur | Supaplex, lol |
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| 06:14.01 | elnur | nsadmin, I don't mind that he does all he wants, but not to fuck up the stuff we all use. |
| 06:14.04 | grawity | okay, I'm a newbie to dpkg, and I want to build the exim4-config-simple package from svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-exim4/exim4-config-simple/trunk |
| 06:14.15 | grawity | I have completely no idea what to do after svn checkout |
| 06:14.52 | nsadmin | then stand for that |
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| 06:15.28 | Resbaloso | It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. Mexicali had a worse earthquake than Haiti, and only about 4 people died! Even the housing of the poor generally held up! Meanwhile even the Haitian elites couldn't build |
| 06:15.28 | Resbaloso | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.35 | elnur | Its annoying when he tries to make himself look smart, and ask me if I ever heard about design patterns. Then he tells me that Singleton is then all methods are static. :/ |
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| 06:15.46 | liable | !ops Resbaloso |
| 06:15.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: Resbaloso |
| 06:16.11 | Resbaloso | why the report? |
| 06:16.17 | Resbaloso | under obama there isn't anymore private property |
| 06:16.24 | Resbaloso | comrade I have just as much right to your channel as you! |
| 06:16.32 | nsadmin | isn't that so annoying? |
| 06:16.51 | nsadmin | have you ever in your life found anything more annoying than that? |
| 06:16.57 | elnur | me? |
| 06:17.01 | liable | this is for discussion of debian operating system, not your racist beliefs |
| 06:17.03 | nsadmin | no :) |
| 06:18.00 | Resbaloso | yes, and everything is public now |
| 06:18.05 | Resbaloso | your hope and change in action |
| 06:18.13 | Resbaloso | you must support minority viewpoints |
| 06:18.22 | Resbaloso | and support the downtrodden with your resources |
| 06:18.33 | Resbaloso | there is no more private property save by permission of the masses |
| 06:18.33 | nsadmin | watch out bub... soon YOU will be the minority |
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| 06:18.35 | Resbaloso | comrade |
| 06:18.42 | grawity | bah |
| 06:18.44 | Resbaloso | I am a Mexican |
| 06:18.47 | grawity | goes back to postfix. |
| 06:18.51 | Resbaloso | and am not worried about hat |
| 06:19.00 | elnur | Anyways. Thanks guys. Seems like I went too much in discussing how stupid is my senior programmer. Fuck it. I better just *do* something instead of whining. Back to work. |
| 06:19.01 | Resbaloso | :) |
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| 06:20.07 | Resbaloso | Vive Mexico! |
| 06:20.11 | nsadmin | elnur: good idea :) remember to ask yourself the following question often: "right now, what is the highest, best use of my time" |
| 06:20.12 | elnur | Are you guys already used to the notion that 99% are stupid? |
| 06:20.17 | Resbaloso | Que se mueran los negros |
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| 06:20.42 | elnur | nsadmin, and energy, right? :) |
| 06:20.56 | nsadmin | sure |
| 06:21.17 | Resbaloso | If you americans don't take care of your negroid problem |
| 06:21.18 | Kazuha | Okay... how I get the .deb itself for installing a package that I compiled from source? |
| 06:21.21 | Resbaloso | the mexicans will |
| 06:21.25 | Resbaloso | putos |
| 06:21.36 | Kazuha | (Although, I *could* do most of it manually, I guess, it would just be *somewhat* annoying.) |
| 06:21.41 | grawity | Kazuha: checkinstall |
| 06:21.45 | grawity | afaik |
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| 06:22.13 | Resbaloso | it is a good day to be bittwist |
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| 06:24.12 | elnur | Btw, the only time I had to compile something was this: http://www.dikant.de/2009/01/22/setting-up-pureftpd-on-a-virtual-server â because of problems of pureftpd on VDS servers. |
| 06:24.19 | Kazuha | nvm... |
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| 06:24.40 | Kazuha | make-kpkg put it in an... *odd* spot. |
| 06:25.10 | nsadmin | oh, you mean ..? |
| 06:26.10 | Resbaloso | It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. Mexicali had a worse earthquake than Haiti, and only about 4 people died! Even the housing of the poor generally held up! Meanwhile even the Haitian elites couldn't build decent buildings. |
| 06:26.14 | Resbaloso | Look at what happened to the house of their monkey president! If you are sick of the fecal beast Join Chimpout Forum! |
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| 06:46.09 | manixor | Hi all. I'm in a network, with proxy and 22 port closed. So I can't do apt-get... There is a solution in my conditions to steel use apt-get? |
| 06:48.31 | Kazuha | manixor: I didn't know that apt used port 22? |
| 06:48.45 | Kazuha | Also, you can use the http option for apt. |
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| 06:48.54 | Kazuha | (In other words, port 80.) |
| 06:48.55 | manixor | What port use apt? |
| 06:49.04 | dutchfish | and apt can coop with proxies |
| 06:49.14 | manixor | I think many ports are closed on my network. |
| 06:49.18 | Kazuha | IIRC, it doesn't "use" any particular port, per se. |
| 06:49.25 | manixor | Not in this one now, in my home. |
| 06:49.28 | Kazuha | Just the one that is used by the protocol in question. |
| 06:49.44 | valdyn | manixor: apt doesnt "use ports", it just uses what the URL sets |
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| 06:50.21 | Kazuha | So, assuming that you can browse from the system in question, try setting the URL to http. |
| 06:50.49 | manixor | I understand, then what can be the reason when I do aptitude update, I got nothing....tring to connect to debian ftp, and the stop |
| 06:51.14 | Kazuha | That's because its ignoring the ftp port. |
| 06:51.22 | Kazuha | (21, IIRC.) |
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| 06:52.08 | manixor | So, what is the solution, to set in sources.list, an http address? |
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| 06:52.15 | Kazuha | Pretty much. |
| 06:52.58 | Kazuha | Or do something like this: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 06:53.07 | manixor | Now I have like this: deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 06:53.18 | nsadmin | please don't use ftp.debian.org |
| 06:53.43 | Kazuha | Hmm? |
| 06:53.50 | manixor | How can I change what I have? |
| 06:53.52 | nsadmin | if I'm not mistaken ftp.debian.org is the master mirror |
| 06:54.06 | manixor | I user .ro mirrir |
| 06:54.11 | manixor | I user .ro mirror |
| 06:54.21 | Kazuha | nsadmin was directing that at me. |
| 06:54.33 | manixor | OK. |
| 06:54.48 | nsadmin | well "directing" was a strong word in this case |
| 06:55.19 | Kazuha | I actually have my apt list pointing at two different mirrors. |
| 06:55.39 | nsadmin | manixor, that should work if that mirror machine exists |
| 06:55.40 | Kazuha | Well, plus a few others. |
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| 06:56.01 | manixor | nsadmin Work perfect on my current network |
| 06:56.20 | manixor | nsadmin But at home, where is a lot of security in my network, none |
| 06:56.29 | manixor | and I don't understand why. |
| 06:56.45 | manixor | My home is in a student campus. |
| 06:56.49 | nsadmin | do other mirrors work? |
| 06:57.01 | nsadmin | is there a campus mirror? |
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| 06:57.29 | dutchfish | manixor, maybe your proxy needs authentication? |
| 06:57.47 | manixor | I can connect on internet with browser |
| 06:58.16 | dutchfish | manixor, and you have logged on to a domain then? |
| 06:58.47 | manixor | Yes |
| 06:58.53 | manixor | I set this configuration: |
| 06:59.12 | manixor | Http Proxi:10...., port 3128 |
| 06:59.16 | dutchfish | manixor, then you are prolly authenticated by ntlm or radius or the like |
| 06:59.30 | manixor | this on browser settings |
| 06:59.35 | manixor | and I can navigate on web |
| 06:59.38 | dutchfish | manixor, well, apt can do that too |
| 06:59.49 | dutchfish | manixor, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Modifying_APT_logging_and_proxy_server_usage |
| 07:00.32 | dutchfish | manixor, there are more solutions as well besides that link |
| 07:00.44 | manixor | dutchfish Cool, I will test that on this evening, when I will go home. |
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| 07:00.55 | dutchfish | manixor, yw |
| 07:00.56 | manixor | And come back tomorow with results |
| 07:01.05 | manixor | Thank's for help |
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| 07:49.49 | LuciusMare | hi |
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| 07:51.33 | LuciusMare | I want to have java plugin in my browser (iceweasel), so I installed the sun-java6-plugin, but it does not work - it always threw me errors: "Exception: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: xy.class", so i followed the tutorial on java.com (http://java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#selfextracting), but it does not show in the iceweasel at all |
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| 07:56.31 | youngpro | hey all |
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| 07:57.21 | youngpro | has anyone had experience with 4k sector drives in lenny? i just created a new raid and had to use 4k sectors, i create a partition with fdisk but when i format the drive it actually only has 100gb of space instead of 4.5tb |
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| 07:59.59 | youngpro | raid6 |
| 08:00.03 | youngpro | 5 1.5tb |
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| 08:19.30 | tasslehoff | I'm using start-stop-daemon to launch a python script, but when I run --start twice, it tries to start it both times, and doesn't detect that the process is already running. I call it like so: start-stop-daemon --start -d $PWD -m --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec "$MAINPROCESS". |
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| 08:23.56 | wsxws | hi there |
| 08:25.09 | wsxws | im running a web-vserver with lenny. non-root users are not able to use screen: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 08:25.27 | wsxws | this comes on screen -R test |
| 08:25.53 | wsxws | any suggestions ? |
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| 08:26.12 | rdz | hi all. '/etc/init.d/cron start' fails without any output to the syslog. how can this be investigated further? |
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| 08:27.59 | peterrooney | rdz: change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/sh -x ? |
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| 08:28.27 | peterrooney | rdz: change "#!/bin/sh" to "#!/bin/sh -x" |
| 08:28.29 | rdz | peterrooney, which script are you referring to? |
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| 08:28.41 | peterrooney | rdz: /etc/init.d/cron |
| 08:28.44 | rdz | peterrooney, you mean in /etc/init.d/cron? |
| 08:28.51 | peterrooney | rdz; yep |
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| 08:30.07 | rdz | peterrooney, thanks.. can you give me some hints about what to do with that output? |
| 08:30.20 | rdz | peterrooney, i never tried sh -x before |
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| 08:33.04 | wsxws | anybody ? |
| 08:33.26 | MrWax | i have noticed a few connections in 'netstat -an' like, a connection on port21 incoming, from my home ip, however i know for sure this ip is closed and no systems can be turned on, and another uni vpn server that I did not use in months |
| 08:33.35 | MrWax | Howveer the connections are as 'ESTABLISHED' |
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| 08:33.49 | MrWax | suggestions how i can check if they are real? and not extremely old ghosts? |
| 08:35.44 | wsxws | normaly netstat should not contain ghosts |
| 08:36.00 | wsxws | to go for sure simple do da /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 08:41.55 | rdz | peterrooney, cron runs agains. thanks for your help. actually the problem was some processes, that weren't terminated and therefor the init script couldn't run new ones |
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| 08:51.21 | MrWax | wsxws: won't this mess anything up on my dedicated webserver? |
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| 08:58.27 | Nikopol | Hello guys. I'm trying to install Squeeze with a USB stick... the installer boots fine, however it complains about not finding the right kernel modules, because the iso file probably has a different kernel than the installer... which iso do I have to get? |
| 08:59.34 | Nikopol | I've tried with the netinst iso, btw.... |
| 09:00.01 | wsxws | install it from scratch, wont take much longer than an iso neither |
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| 09:01.25 | Nikopol | yes, but the installer alone requires an iso file to load... so which one? |
| 09:03.09 | wsxws | installing from scratch does not need any iso, i never installed debian with installer yet |
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| 09:03.17 | wsxws | so i cant help you, sorry |
| 09:04.12 | Nikopol | no installer? .. heh |
| 09:04.53 | rvsjoen | the netinstall iso |
| 09:05.14 | rvsjoen | why didn't it work |
| 09:05.37 | Nikopol | kernel versions differing, it says |
| 09:05.49 | Nikopol | can't find the modules, too |
| 09:05.58 | wsxws | start with the right kernel |
| 09:06.10 | wsxws | gotta run |
| 09:06.21 | Nikopol | thanks you, wsxws |
| 09:06.31 | rvsjoen | dpkg: usb install |
| 09:06.31 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 09:07.29 | Nikopol | rvsjoen: thx, I did that exactly |
| 09:07.48 | Nikopol | going to try again. |
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| 09:48.54 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:48.54 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 09:49.00 | uwjweq | Is there an english-german dictionary for the CLI? |
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| 09:53.12 | uwjweq | Aah, ubuntu-users, loging into irc to ask what irc is. I will now go search ubuntu usenet-groups for questions about what usenet is. |
| 09:55.01 | iceroot | uwjweq: or go to google so search for a german-english dictionary instead of using crossposts on #ubuntu and #debian |
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| 09:55.49 | themill | dpkg: tell uwjweq about search |
| 09:56.02 | uwjweq | Yes. I will try it again with the dash, on clusty. Thanks -> Ignore. |
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| 09:58.01 | uwjweq | Yeah, if you do not know anything you don´t have to divert it. I already know how to use a search engine and I do it before I ask on any channel. |
| 09:58.17 | uwjweq | Did not know asking was not welcome per se. |
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| 09:58.37 | iceroot | uwjweq: you flame other users but you are using crossposts and cant use apt-cache search or goole (or aptitude..) |
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| 10:18.08 | surfer27 | hi. I have debian 5.04 and I tried to compile gtkpod-aac. The compilation required several addon libs to be installed. At some time no new processes could be spawned and gdm doesn't run anymore. Upon start gdm always shows the configured background image, but no menu or something, and drops to text console. Purge&install gnome didn't work. There's obviously a damaged dependency, but which one is it? |
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| 10:22.55 | surfer27 | hi. I have debian 5.04 and I tried to compile gtkpod-aac. The compilation required several addon libs to be installed. At some time no new processes could be spawned and gdm doesn't run anymore. Upon start gdm always shows the configured background image, but no menu or something, and drops to text console. Purge&install gnome didn't work. There's obviously a damaged dependency, but which one is it? can anyone help me -please- ? |
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| 10:25.08 | minver | How do I see where my symlink is pointing? |
| 10:25.27 | petemc | ls -l , readlink |
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| 10:26.05 | SPF | surfer27: what error message do you get while compiling? |
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| 10:27.45 | surfer27 | SPF: The compiler messages are not the problem. At some time after installing several libs with aptitude-install I couldn't spawn any new processes anymore.. |
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| 10:28.36 | minver | petemc: thanks |
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| 10:29.18 | SPF | surfer27: I would try to compile it without running gdm, how many processes are there running? |
| 10:29.45 | surfer27 | SPF: So I restarted debian, but now gdm no longer starts correctly. It tries 5-6 times in a loop, always dropping back to the text screen console. an error msg appears after 5-6 times stating that it will retry starting automatically again after 2-3 minutes or so. |
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| 10:31.17 | surfer27 | SPF: there are only the usual compiler msgs.. some libs missing or so.. so I aptitude-install'ed them. |
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| 10:32.15 | surfer27 | SPF: I'm on the text console.. Nothing but the usual processes running. |
| 10:32.31 | SPF | surfer27: yes, but I don't know how new libs might effect the gdm |
| 10:33.02 | surfer27 | SPF: so does gdm have a logfile I can check for errors? |
| 10:33.51 | SPF | /var/log/gdm |
| 10:33.53 | surfer27 | SPF: is it ""/var/log/gdm/:0.log" ? |
| 10:33.57 | SPF | yes |
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| 10:34.37 | SPF | surfer27: you could also try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 10:35.44 | surfer27 | SPF: ok, I need to leave and check the logfile and that reconfigure. I'll get back. thank you for your help so far. |
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| 10:47.58 | ttz | Hi there. |
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| 10:50.15 | ttz | I have a problem since this morning, as soon as the DRM module is loaded, the screen becomes blank. I've booted an USB distro to fiddle runlevel 5 so as to prevent X from being started, and changed default runlevel to 5. |
| 10:51.06 | ttz | But it seems that drm module keeps being loaded. I checked /etc/modules, it does only contain "loop". |
| 10:52.20 | ttz | My next guess is to tamper with initrd, but I don't know how to proceed. |
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| 10:57.16 | wonderwal | how do you disable ipv6 in debian lenny? |
| 10:57.51 | extor | network file I would tink? |
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| 10:59.35 | themill | !noipv6 |
| 10:59.35 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
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| 11:03.15 | TripleDES | ttz: try disabling dri and glx related configs on xorg.conf, I think Xorg is loading drm when it finds your gpu... |
| 11:03.28 | wonderwal | just did that and now netstat -a still shows tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* LISTEN |
| 11:03.40 | wonderwal | im running on xen if that even matters |
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| 11:11.00 | ttz | TripleDES: But I thought I disabled xorg... initdefault is 5 and I renamed rc5.d/S05xdm to rc5.d/K05xdm. Is there another thing to disable to prevent X.org from running? |
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| 11:12.23 | TripleDES | ttz: try runlevel 3 |
| 11:12.44 | TripleDES | and update-rc.d gdm remove |
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| 11:15.58 | ttz | TripleDES: Ok. |
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| 11:17.02 | ttz | TripleDES: Nonetheless, I thought update-rc.d(8) was supposed to be run only upon package installation/deinstallation. |
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| 11:19.21 | TripleDES | ttz: I use it when I want to enable/disable a service but don't want to remove it...but don't know if that was the real purpose for that command... |
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| 11:19.52 | ttz | TripleDES: Ok. And is there any reason why you advice me to use runlevel 3 instead of 5? |
| 11:21.33 | TripleDES | cause runlevel 3 is multi-user+network without X |
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| 11:26.36 | ttz | TripleDES: Yes, it is supposed to be, but checking links in rc2.d and rc3.d shows that the same thing are started. |
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| 11:28.52 | TripleDES | ttz: I'm guessing runlevels meaning have been changing over the past few years, but traditionally #5 was for X and #3 was normal console boot... |
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| 11:35.43 | infernix | i need to generate 800GB of random data, but it's not very important that it's super random; /dev/urandom is too slow with only 5.8MB/sec. is anyone aware of a tool that can generate reasonably random data that's much faster? |
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| 11:37.10 | dutchfish | infernix, maybe have a look a the mersene twister code? |
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| 11:39.57 | dutchfish | infernix, some harddisk have built in routines to randomize fill deletions, you can read those back (fast) ;) |
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| 11:43.58 | infernix | i've built that code but not sure how to generate random data from it, as for the harddisks, that seems too much effort |
| 11:44.45 | dutchfish | then produce more entropy ;) |
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| 11:45.45 | dutchfish | like feeding an internetstream into to the random pool, i f quality doesnt mather |
| 11:45.45 | infernix | i might be done sooner by just downloading 800GB :) |
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| 11:46.04 | dutchfish | or that |
| 11:46.22 | dutchfish | but then its not strictly random ;) |
| 11:46.32 | infernix | wouldn't matter |
| 11:46.44 | infernix | i need 800GB in 12MB files, as long as the files aren't all the same its fine |
| 11:46.51 | dutchfish | if it is just blanking media, there are better ways |
| 11:46.57 | infernix | its not |
| 11:47.05 | infernix | need to test threaded md5sum performance |
| 11:47.36 | dutchfish | ok, then use randompool.org as seed and use urandom |
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| 11:47.57 | roughnecks | hi |
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| 11:53.18 | surfer27 | SPF: syslog: "gdmgreeter[3498]: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_object_get_qdata: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" |
| 11:54.42 | surfer27 | SPF: Xorg: "AUDIT: <timestamp>: 3477 X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 106)" |
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| 11:54.51 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 11:54.54 | artefact | hi |
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| 11:55.09 | TripleDES | hmm anyone using xen-tools for creating xen images? I'm passing network settings and just the ip is configured, no netmask, no gateway either... |
| 11:55.11 | SPF | surfer27: I have no idea, try googling it |
| 11:55.49 | vchrizz | ive got lenny running on an aspireone netbook and cant set brightness via fn-button... on display it shows how i set brightness but brightness doesnt change |
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| 11:56.04 | Mowee | Hi : ) |
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| 11:56.53 | surfer27 | hi. I have debian 5.04 and I tried to compile gtkpod-aac. The compilation required several addon libs to be installed. At some time no new processes could be spawned and gdm doesn't run anymore. Upon start gdm always shows the configured background image, but no menu or something, and drops to text console. Purge&install gnome didn't work. There's obviously a damaged dependency, but which one is it? can anyone help me -please- ? |
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| 11:59.19 | vchrizz | surfer27, if there is some unmet dependency, aptitude tells you that.. and recommends how to fix it.. |
| 11:59.50 | vchrizz | do you have some other display manager installed what could cause problems |
| 12:00.18 | surfer27 | vchrizz: how do I tell aptitude to check the dependencies? I think I have only gdm installed. |
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| 12:02.08 | vchrizz | afair it was dpkg --configure -f or similar.. cant remember, just using it when aptitude recommends it ;) |
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| 12:02.39 | surfer27 | vchrizz: aptitude does not recommend anything atm.. |
| 12:03.31 | vchrizz | well then dependencies should be fine i assume |
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| 12:04.38 | surfer27 | vchrizz: may "Xinerama" or "Pango" cause these problems? |
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| 12:06.47 | vchrizz | pango rather not i think, but xineramacould be? |
| 12:07.28 | vchrizz | maybe check #gnome? :) |
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| 12:10.14 | vchrizz | ive got lenny running on an aspireone netbook and cant set brightness via fn-button... on display it shows how i set brightness but brightness doesnt change, anybone have an idea what im missing? |
| 12:10.36 | artefact | vchrizz: what model? |
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| 12:11.21 | vchrizz | when i switch to shell via alt button its same behavior, jst that i dont see any ui that sets brightness |
| 12:11.34 | artefact | ... |
| 12:11.38 | blip2 | afaik it's hardware |
| 12:11.55 | vchrizz | artefact, AO751h |
| 12:12.33 | artefact | vchrizz: kernel version? |
| 12:12.39 | vchrizz | blip2, ya, changing via fn button should change brightness via hardware, so independent of what im running i think |
| 12:13.13 | blip2 | vchrizz: run xev and hit the button |
| 12:13.19 | vchrizz | zeitbook:~# uname -a |
| 12:13.19 | vchrizz | Linux zeitbook 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:13.35 | blip2 | is x detecting anything? |
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| 12:14.01 | vchrizz | x detects that ijm pressing button and shows the bar how i set it up or down |
| 12:14.06 | vchrizz | but display doesnt change |
| 12:14.11 | vchrizz | its a fresh new install of lenny |
| 12:14.16 | artefact | if it's a new model, the fn key mapping is only likely to be in a new kernel |
| 12:14.27 | artefact | not that you can't add it to an old one |
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| 12:14.36 | vchrizz | ya its new model with Z520 cpu |
| 12:15.09 | vchrizz | so i need to upgrade kernel? |
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| 12:15.26 | artefact | shrugs |
| 12:15.39 | vchrizz | ok, then ill try testing instead of lenny and have a look :) |
| 12:15.46 | artefact | but for example, I got an Apple wireless keyboard many months ago |
| 12:15.52 | artefact | and its mappage still isn't in the kernel |
| 12:15.57 | artefact | for the Fn key |
| 12:16.50 | vchrizz | in what kernel? |
| 12:16.52 | artefact | you could also just be missing something important - check http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 12:17.01 | vchrizz | i mean what kernel you use.. |
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| 12:17.20 | RichiH | does volatile get proper security updates? |
| 12:17.31 | artefact | if you just want to try a recent one, may as well make it 2.6.33.2 |
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| 12:18.07 | artefact | vchrizz: if xev shows anythingn when you hit the key, though, you can "fix" it immediately with some scripts |
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| 12:25.44 | niklaswe | hmm....guys are java applet client-side or server-side? |
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| 12:26.08 | artefact | they can be either, but most are client-side |
| 12:26.17 | artefact | most have also gone the way of the dodo |
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| 12:31.46 | vchrizz | artefact, http://nopaste.info/4f496fc95c.html (xev output of pressing fn keys to change brightness) |
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| 12:33.33 | artefact | vchrizz: if the keysym is unique, I think, that's enough to map it to anything you want |
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| 12:33.43 | artefact | I haven't played with key mapping in a while |
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| 12:37.08 | unixp | hi i want to copy a folder with smbclient. If i tip in get /folder it says: NT_STATUS_FILE_IS_A_DIRECTORY opening remote file |
| 12:37.13 | unixp | what must i do? |
| 12:37.44 | SerajewelKS | unixp: mget |
| 12:38.03 | unixp | SerajewelKS, it says NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE listing \Datensicherung\Bilder\ |
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| 12:39.09 | SerajewelKS | unixp: man smbclient |
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| 12:39.17 | SerajewelKS | unixp: look specifically at mget and recursive |
| 12:39.24 | unixp | ok |
| 12:39.25 | SerajewelKS | unixp: erm, recurse |
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| 12:49.25 | brtendr | Hi all |
| 12:49.50 | artefact | hi |
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| 13:08.48 | Ickarus | hi I have a synaptics touchpad and i want multitouch but if i activate it in the gui it wont work (debian testing) and also there is no xorg.conf, hwat can i do to make it work? |
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| 13:13.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest66212 about root |
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| 13:14.22 | themill | Guest66212: for as long as you have an ident of "root" you won't be able to speak in here. |
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| 13:25.15 | unixp | i took my camera into usb, now i want to mount it. If i tip mount the camera doesnt exists. What must i do? |
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| 13:27.22 | artefact | unixp: fdisk -l |
| 13:30.27 | unixp | artefact, ok i think this is it Disk /dev/sda: 16 MB, 16515072 bytes |
| 13:30.36 | unixp | artefact, and now? |
| 13:31.22 | artefact | it'd be unusual if it were 'sda' |
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| 13:32.56 | unixp | is it right? mount -t /dev/sda /home/test |
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| 13:37.53 | d3x | unixp, no |
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| 13:42.05 | Argafal | does dpkg know something about libdvdcss? |
| 13:42.27 | themill | did you ask it? |
| 13:42.30 | Argafal | Ah, nice. :) It does. |
| 13:42.35 | Argafal | themill: Yes, in a query. |
| 13:42.48 | themill | :) |
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| 13:44.31 | WierdAAR | Hello.. I seem to only be able to mount my external harddrive as a read-only file system. Other usb drives works fine.. Any ideas? |
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| 13:45.45 | artefact | WierdAAR: what FS? |
| 13:45.55 | WierdAAR | artefact, NTFS |
| 13:46.03 | artefact | WierdAAR: what command are you using to mount it? |
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| 13:46.25 | WierdAAR | artefact, I am using thunar-volume-manager, to auto mount |
| 13:46.47 | artefact | hrmmm |
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| 13:46.59 | d3x | WierdAAR, do you have ntfs-3g installed? |
| 13:47.08 | nima | my cdrom did not work on my squueze , no file in /dev/ . do you have any idea why? |
| 13:47.09 | WierdAAR | artefact, But i tired with mount /mnt/sda1 /mnt and got same resukt |
| 13:47.19 | artefact | nima: no sr0 ? |
| 13:47.30 | artefact | WierdAAR: try with ntfs-3g /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
| 13:47.33 | darkskiez | i want to make my own init script that is insserv compliant, bit confused about ways to verify the dependancy ordering etc |
| 13:47.39 | nima | artefact, yes |
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| 13:47.47 | WierdAAR | d3x ahhh.. No i don't.. Will install that and see |
| 13:48.07 | darkskiez | is there some better docs than man insserv ? |
| 13:48.15 | ax-ax | seriously, why doesn't flash in in iceweasel work correctly, when i tried about a million different things that seem to work for others? |
| 13:48.41 | rvsjoen | !not working |
| 13:48.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 13:48.44 | artefact | ax-ax: how'd you install Flash? |
| 13:48.55 | themill | darkskiez: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts perhaps |
| 13:48.58 | abrotman | !tell ax-ax about bpo |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | !tell ax-ax about adobe flash |
| 13:49.09 | WierdAAR | d3x, That was it.. Now it's working.. I knew i had forgotten something. Thanks! |
| 13:49.24 | macsim_ | is it possible to disable dhcpnack from dhcpd ? |
| 13:49.27 | darkskiez | themill: thank you ! :) |
| 13:49.52 | ax-ax | artefact: i've tried mostly everything i've found in forums and wikis |
| 13:50.21 | d3x | WierdAAR, you're welcome |
| 13:50.21 | artefact | ax-ax: maybe the first try left stuff that messed up subsequent ones |
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| 13:50.28 | ax-ax | flashplugin-nonfree, some free plugins, installing the binary from adobe and so on |
| 13:50.28 | WierdAAR | Now.. Does anybody have experience with the Thunar achive plugin and ARK? I can't seem to get the "extract here" function to work with .rar files? |
| 13:50.48 | nima | artefact, how can i make sr0 ? |
| 13:50.52 | ax-ax | i have to ask where the plugin files are located |
| 13:50.55 | abrotman | ax-ax: update-alternatives ? |
| 13:51.06 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 13:51.16 | nima | what is the name of IDE cdrom driver in linux ? |
| 13:51.41 | d3x | WierdAAR, install unrar, probably |
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| 13:52.07 | ax-ax | abrotman: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for flash-mozilla.sc. |
| 13:52.11 | WierdAAR | d3x, Ark i supossed to be able to handle .rar files, and i have the nonfree-unrar installed |
| 13:52.13 | ax-ax | this is weird |
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| 13:52.17 | abrotman | ax-ax: .so .. not .sc |
| 13:52.22 | ax-ax | oh |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | yeah, they're close together ... |
| 13:52.44 | ax-ax | there was a strange error in xchat |
| 13:52.45 | ax-ax | :s |
| 13:53.01 | ax-ax | so the last part was covered |
| 13:53.14 | ax-ax | but .so doesn't work either |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | ax-ax: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree .. what is the versoin ? |
| 13:53.34 | artefact | ax-ax: for starters, you do _not_ want a directory called 'plugins' in ~/.mozilla |
| 13:53.52 | ax-ax | abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 13:54.06 | ax-ax | and artefact, oh, i'll check. |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:54.09 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
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| 13:54.38 | ax-ax | artefact: the directory exists but it's empty |
| 13:54.40 | abrotman | ax-ax: ls /etc/alternatives/flash* .. show anything ? |
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| 13:55.26 | ax-ax | nope :s |
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| 13:55.53 | abrotman | the flashplugin-nonfree should create that alternatives for you |
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| 13:56.09 | abrotman | ax-ax: what state is the package? ii/rc/pn ? |
| 13:56.24 | ax-ax | rc |
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| 13:56.37 | ax-ax | meaning? |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | ax-ax: so you sohuld probably install it again |
| 13:56.50 | ax-ax | yeah, i think that too |
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| 13:59.23 | ax-ax | aptitude says it isn't installed.. :S |
| 14:00.08 | artefact | _it_ says that? :) |
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| 14:00.30 | ax-ax | yep |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | ax-ax: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:00.51 | artefact | oh aptitude says _flash_ isn't installed, heh |
| 14:01.51 | ax-ax | i am installing it, no need to worry. but i find it strange that different apt-programs won't agree on the status of it |
| 14:01.56 | macsim_ | anybody use dhcpd with 2 interfaces ? |
| 14:02.44 | ax-ax | now update-alternatives finds flash |
| 14:02.52 | abrotman | macsim_: probably .. ask a real question |
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| 14:08.16 | ax-ax | could it have something to do with configuration of flash? :s |
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| 14:09.20 | abrotman | ax-ax: did you run the 'update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so' and choose the one you installed ? |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | ax-ax: be aware that you must also restart *all* instances of the browser |
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| 14:10.30 | JyZyXEL | what could case being able to edit files but not being able to create new ones? |
| 14:10.53 | artefact | disk space |
| 14:11.00 | JyZyXEL | no i checked that |
| 14:11.19 | ax-ax | abrotman: yes, and there was only one so there wasn't much of a choice, and i restarted browser completely about three times now |
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| 14:12.12 | ax-ax | it works partially though |
| 14:12.29 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: which error do you get? |
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| 14:12.46 | JyZyXEL | Permission denied |
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| 14:12.51 | ax-ax | it freezes when right clicking and pressing settings and won't play certain embedded videos and some youtube videos can't be paused |
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| 14:13.04 | JyZyXEL | i have rwx in the directory |
| 14:13.05 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: well, check the permissions. do you have +w on the dir? |
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| 14:16.17 | qwd | Will someone with Stable please help me sorting out a bug? Download the Speex file here http://vt.freeculture.org/2008/09/21/copyright-vs-community-now-up-for-download/ and open it by double clicking the file. Here's the bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529053 I can't recreate it in Sid so I want to find out if I should report it as solved |
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| 14:19.45 | qwd | Here are smaller files so you don't need to download 18 megabytes http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/demos.html the speex files are at the bottom |
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| 14:20.43 | JyZyXEL | whats scrubby |
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| 14:21.36 | artefact | JyZyXEL: scrubby? |
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| 14:22.00 | wonderwal | tcpv6 |
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| 14:22.33 | flami | Hi, how can I check how many inodes are available on my hdd? |
| 14:22.55 | artefact | flami: df -i |
| 14:22.58 | flami | thanks |
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| 14:34.15 | funzl | hi all! i just compiled some software with dyn.libraries and installed it into /usr/local/bin resp. /usr/local/lib. but the app doens't start cause it can't find the lib located in /usr/local/lib. how and where to add this path that the libs can be found? |
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| 14:35.10 | wols_ | funzl: run ldconfig |
| 14:35.12 | ham5 | thought it was just /usr/lib on debian |
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| 14:36.02 | wols_ | ham5: check your /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 14:36.54 | ham5 | ahh |
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| 14:38.25 | roland- | hello, I am trying to setup a cluster, load balancing cluster, but some kind of beowolf cluster that could merge more computers into one |
| 14:38.28 | roland- | is that posible? |
| 14:38.41 | funzl | thx guys! |
| 14:39.28 | Titan8990 | qwd: what application should be generating that error/warning? |
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| 14:41.06 | Titan8990 | qwd: I would say not reproducable on my end... using lenny |
| 14:41.53 | wonderwal | how do you disable tcpv6 again? nothing is working |
| 14:43.07 | wonderwal | dpkg tcpv6 |
| 14:43.07 | dpkg | wonderwal: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:43.10 | wonderwal | dpkg tcp6 |
| 14:43.10 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wonderwal |
| 14:43.11 | Guest95983 | Hi. I'm switching over toe Debain -- still pretty new at it. For the moment, I'm installing Debian into a Xen guest; standalone will happen when the hardware shows up. General install went easy enough, getting me to the installer where I can step by step. |
| 14:43.18 | wonderwal | dpkg disable tcpv6 |
| 14:43.18 | Guest95983 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.18 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wonderwal |
| 14:43.27 | wonderwal | dpkg disable tcp6 |
| 14:43.27 | dpkg | wonderwal: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:43.31 | wonderwal | dpkg disable tcp |
| 14:43.32 | dpkg | wonderwal: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:43.36 | wonderwal | dpkg tcp |
| 14:43.36 | dpkg | hmm... tcp is Transmission Control Protocol, or the protocol that allows IP packets to send a stream of continuous, sequential data without holes from lost packets |
| 14:43.39 | wonderwal | dpkg tcpv6 |
| 14:43.39 | dpkg | no idea, wonderwal |
| 14:43.42 | wonderwal | dpkg tcp6 |
| 14:43.43 | dpkg | no idea, wonderwal |
| 14:43.45 | petemc | Guest95983: you should look into preseeding |
| 14:43.49 | wonderwal | dpkg tcp |
| 14:43.49 | dpkg | tcp is probably Transmission Control Protocol, or the protocol that allows IP packets to send a stream of continuous, sequential data without holes from lost packets |
| 14:43.52 | petemc | wonderwal: any chance you could stop that |
| 14:43.55 | wonderwal | dpkg life |
| 14:43.55 | dpkg | [life] what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 14:43.56 | Titan8990 | !tell wonderwal about messege the bot |
| 14:44.17 | wonderwal | oh god |
| 14:44.28 | Guest95983 | petemc: Thanks, I'd not stumbled across that term yet. Looking now ... |
| 14:44.40 | Titan8990 | wonderwal: /msg dpkg help listkeys; /msg dpkg help listvals |
| 14:44.53 | themill | dpkg: tell wonderwal about noipv6 |
| 14:45.28 | themill | wonderwal: you may also like to turn on logging in your irc client |
| 14:45.44 | wonderwal | themill: it doesnt work. perhaps because im using xen? but i doubt it! |
| 14:45.44 | Guest95983 | petemc: Excellent. Found what I need. Thanks! |
| 14:45.49 | petemc | np |
| 14:46.09 | wonderwal | netstat -a still shows some tcp6 |
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| 14:46.44 | Titan8990 | wonderwal: dpkg's factoid required a reboot... |
| 14:46.54 | wonderwal | hehe |
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| 14:49.36 | unixp | how is the easiest way to intrude into a windows pc, like vnc. so i can say for example it will shut down etc |
| 14:50.01 | Titan8990 | unixp: ask #windows? |
| 14:50.27 | unixp | by linux |
| 14:50.35 | artefact | the easiest way is to put a trojan disguised as a celebrity porn tape onto p2p networks |
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| 14:51.29 | Titan8990 | unixp: I would say it is still off-topic here. especially if intrude == remotely exploit |
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| 14:51.55 | tvstebut | Hello |
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| 14:52.34 | tvstebut | I have a nfs share, but I want it to be automatically remounted in case of interrution or failure.... |
| 14:52.38 | tvstebut | What caan I do ? |
| 14:52.46 | wonderwal | good q |
| 14:52.52 | wonderwal | im also waiting to see about that one tv |
| 14:53.20 | ham5 | fstab?? |
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| 14:56.27 | karlpinc | tvstebut: I thought nfs was stateless, so once it's mounted it stays mounted. |
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| 14:57.11 | JordiGH | Is there a way to predict which fonts I need to install to get certain UTF-8 codepoints in xchat? |
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| 14:57.21 | JordiGH | I'm missing U+3008 |
| 14:57.35 | JordiGH | Well, looks like in all of Gnome. |
| 14:58.06 | tvstebut | karlpink, sorry, It gets disconnected for some reasons, sometimes |
| 14:59.45 | artefact | JordiGH: what's it show as? ã |
| 15:00.10 | JordiGH | artefact: Yep. |
| 15:00.20 | artefact | JordiGH: yep what? |
| 15:00.26 | artefact | JordiGH: try installing bitstream's cyberbit |
| 15:00.49 | newbie-friendly | hi! I have an old Celeron 366 Mhz laptop which has 192MB RAM (the maximum supported), 24speed cdrom drive BUT the IDE connector is broken so i can not have an internal hard disk. Can anyone tell me in newbie friendly language how to install Lenny onto a 16 gig usb flash drive? |
| 15:00.59 | newbie-friendly | No encryption is necessary |
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| 15:01.56 | timothy | I run Debian Squeeze on a Toshiba Laptop with intel vga card - I want to have a dual monitor option - (external monitor ) how do i do tat |
| 15:02.03 | JordiGH | artefact: it shows as a block with the digits [3008] inside. |
| 15:02.08 | artefact | k |
| 15:02.24 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: what have you tried so far |
| 15:02.30 | timothy | dual monitor |
| 15:02.35 | JordiGH | artefact: ttf-bitstream-vera ? |
| 15:02.40 | JordiGH | tries it. |
| 15:02.47 | artefact | JordiGH: no |
| 15:02.48 | newbie-friendly | The old laptop can not boot from usb and i do not want a lenny live usb flash drive but actually install lenny onto the 16gig usb flash drive and use it as an ide replacement |
| 15:02.52 | JordiGH | artefact: Which package, then? |
| 15:02.52 | artefact | JordiGH: that's a nice font, though |
| 15:02.54 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: can your PC boot from USB? |
| 15:03.00 | artefact | JordiGH: look for cyberbit |
| 15:03.07 | JordiGH | apt-cache search cyberbit comes blank |
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| 15:03.18 | wols_ | !tell newbie-friendly about usb install |
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| 15:03.24 | nsadmin | how will you boot? |
| 15:03.44 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: see that for booting when you can't boot frm usb. for installing: just plug in the usb stick and install to it |
| 15:04.03 | wols_ | nsadmin: read the factoid |
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| 15:05.13 | newbie-friendly | i was told that a smartbootmanager floppy would help me boot from a usb flash drive even if the bios does not support usb |
| 15:05.27 | artefact | JordiGH: http://http.netscape.com.edgesuite.net/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/Cyberbit.ZIP |
| 15:05.43 | JordiGH | artefact: No, I don't want to run around chasing fonts. I want Debian fonts. |
| 15:05.49 | artefact | JordiGH: or try searching for wqy |
| 15:05.59 | newbie-friendly | I have to make it quite clear that I do not want to install debian from a usb flash drive but actually onto it! |
| 15:06.02 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a floppy drive |
| 15:06.15 | newbie-friendly | yes, the old laptop has a floppy drive |
| 15:06.21 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: I told you to read the factoid for the bootmanager part quite clearly too |
| 15:06.22 | nsadmin | can you burn a cd? |
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| 15:07.18 | JordiGH | artefact: wqy brings up Asian fonts? The glyph I want isn't an Asian character, it's a right angle bracket. |
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| 15:07.31 | newbie-friendly | the old laptop support booting from CD. Yes, I have Lenny install CD1 |
| 15:07.32 | BigLuks_ | hi all |
| 15:07.47 | BigLuks_ | is this route correct? |
| 15:07.49 | BigLuks_ | default 192.168.100.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:08.09 | artefact | JordiGH: it's an asian char |
| 15:08.13 | BigLuks_ | opening new outbound connections are failing |
| 15:08.17 | newbie-friendly | wols, factoid? what is that? |
| 15:08.22 | BigLuks_ | already existing connections are working |
| 15:08.25 | jelly | JordiGH:ã? |
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| 15:08.39 | JordiGH | Oh, it's in the CJK symbols and punctuation block. |
| 15:08.46 | JordiGH | Weird, CJK needs right angle brackets? |
| 15:08.47 | JordiGH | jelly: Yeah. |
| 15:09.18 | jelly | JordiGH: it's a wide glyph |
| 15:09.55 | petemc | BigLuks_: your gateway address is particular to your network, in case you didnt know that... |
| 15:10.07 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly the bot sent you a priv msg |
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| 15:10.36 | BigLuks_ | petemc: talking about the genmask part sying 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:10.37 | artefact | maybe search for ttf-cjk for some fancier ones |
| 15:10.50 | jelly | JordiGH: either DejaVu Sans has it, or KCharSelect lies and substitutes |
| 15:11.05 | jelly | can't tell |
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| 15:11.21 | JordiGH | jelly: ttf-dejavu seems installed. |
| 15:11.25 | petemc | BigLuks_: it looks fine, surely an easier way to determine its suitability is to try and use it? |
| 15:11.33 | BigLuks_ | it fails |
| 15:11.34 | artefact | dejavu sans does not have it |
| 15:11.38 | BigLuks_ | i cant open new connections |
| 15:11.50 | BigLuks_ | already existing connections are fine |
| 15:11.52 | petemc | BigLuks_: can you ping 192.168.100.254 ? |
| 15:12.02 | JordiGH | xfonts-wqy has it, suddenly it appeared in xchat, weird. |
| 15:12.03 | BigLuks_ | i cant ping the whole net cuz the router blocks pings |
| 15:12.12 | JordiGH | After installing it. I thought I would have to restart xchat or something. |
| 15:12.14 | petemc | BigLuks_: oh, perhaps theres a problem with the router |
| 15:12.17 | JordiGH | The X works in mysterious ways. |
| 15:12.19 | BigLuks_ | no its not |
| 15:12.24 | BigLuks_ | internet on windows machine works fine |
| 15:12.29 | BigLuks_ | and thats opnm the same router |
| 15:12.33 | BigLuks_ | router is setup to block pings |
| 15:12.38 | petemc | useful |
| 15:12.48 | jelly | JordiGH: have a < instead! |
| 15:12.53 | artefact | wqy are bitmap fonts, though, I think |
| 15:12.55 | BigLuks_ | jelly, wanna have a look at an strace output for me? |
| 15:12.59 | nsadmin | but you would be able to ping machines inside |
| 15:13.01 | BigLuks_ | i cant find anything unusual |
| 15:13.10 | artefact | I'm not sure what outline fonts have it, and even less sure what the Debian package name would be |
| 15:13.18 | JordiGH | artefact: I'm really not a font nerd, and I don't understand font aesthetics. I just want to see the damn thing. |
| 15:13.23 | BigLuks_ | nsadmin: i never was ;D |
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| 15:13.36 | BigLuks_ | router has a paper on it i made |
| 15:13.37 | jelly | BigLuks_: a present time? Only for $75/hr, two hours minimum. |
| 15:13.39 | BigLuks_ | i block pings |
| 15:13.45 | BigLuks_ | has a problem wif dat? |
| 15:13.46 | artefact | JordiGH: k, done then :) |
| 15:13.46 | BigLuks_ | xD |
| 15:14.05 | nsadmin | but you would be able to ping machines INSIDE from a machine that;s also INSIDE |
| 15:14.10 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, the bot sent me a priv message and after reading the info I can tell you it is not newbie friendly |
| 15:14.27 | newbie-friendly | it is not newbie friendly at all |
| 15:14.36 | nsadmin | so you pretended you didn't receive it? |
| 15:14.41 | BigLuks_ | nsadmin: i can but not from the server |
| 15:15.16 | nsadmin | also you didn't even try to understand it? |
| 15:15.20 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, i did not pretend i did not receive it |
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| 15:15.56 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, i did try but remember that i do not speak geeko, i speak newbie :) |
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| 15:16.32 | nsadmin | what was the result of trying? what new thing did you learn? |
| 15:17.05 | wonderwal | hey thx guz |
| 15:17.28 | BigLuks_ | jelly, hmm then never mind, im a trainee so i dun have much money... |
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| 15:18.08 | nsadmin | btw, you're exhibiting a closed mind at this moment; if you were to open it to new possibilities, it would be more enjoyable to help you |
| 15:18.40 | jelly | BigLuks_: no problem! Sometimes I have time, sometimes I don't... asking the channel instead of specific persons may work out better |
| 15:18.41 | artefact | nsadmin: I used that exact line on my last girlfriend... it was an enjoyable year :D |
| 15:18.56 | BigLuks_ | sure ;) |
| 15:18.58 | SuperAlekZ | hey, got a question: how can i assign a certain folder to my domain/IP-address? |
| 15:19.14 | SuperAlekZ | so that it is the website users get when entering the domain into their browsers |
| 15:19.19 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: hey! day 2 of bad googling? |
| 15:19.28 | BigLuks_ | SuperAlekZ: google: vhost |
| 15:19.40 | Titan8990 | and possibly ignoring what people tell you |
| 15:19.50 | petemc | SuperAlekZ: documentroot in apache configures that |
| 15:19.51 | dkr | SuperAlekZ: DocumentRoot |
| 15:20.06 | SuperAlekZ | more likely day 2 of finding stupid posts in the german google-version |
| 15:20.10 | SuperAlekZ | *days |
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| 15:21.16 | dkr | SuperAlekZ: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ |
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| 15:21.16 | wonderwal | :) |
| 15:21.16 | dkr | better to search the official documentation than google, :) |
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| 15:21.17 | qwd | Titan8990: I think I got the message with Totem and VLC, this was under Gnome |
| 15:21.17 | petemc | or use the debian supplied documentation |
| 15:21.17 | SuperAlekZ | and in which file do i have to configure "DocumentRoot"? because there are some different statements out there |
| 15:21.20 | Titan8990 | dkr: yes, I am always preaching that.. not sure why I switched up here |
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| 15:21.46 | Titan8990 | qwd: ah, well I am running XFCE and VLC and other than needing to manually select to use VLC, I did not encounter any issues |
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| 15:22.39 | qwd | Titan8990: I see, need to find a Gnome user then :) |
| 15:22.44 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, does 4.3.2. Copying the files the flexible way assume you are using a debian box to perform the procedure? My only computer at present is a netbook running ubuntu 910 |
| 15:22.57 | SuperAlekZ | "and in which file do i have to configure "DocumentRoot"? because there are some different statements out there" |
| 15:23.05 | Titan8990 | qwd: my gnome machines are sid and squeeze so that wouldn't be much help |
| 15:23.17 | qwd | I suspect a bug has been fixed. Can someone with Stable and Gnome download the Speex file at the bottom http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/demos.html and open it by double clicking? You should get an error message. Here's the bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529053 |
| 15:23.30 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: maybe, let me check |
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| 15:24.34 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, thank you, please take your time to check |
| 15:25.01 | nsadmin | oh, if you're running ubuntu that should be fine |
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| 15:25.29 | nsadmin | but there's no os on this other laptop? |
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| 15:26.29 | newbie-friendly | right now, on my ubuntu 910 netbook, I am formatting the 16gig usb flash drive with the following command : mkdosfs -c /dev/sdc1 |
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| 15:29.11 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, correct me if I am wrong but it is not possible to create a 16gig DOS file system, is it? |
| 15:29.29 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: you can create a 32GB one. but you cannot install linux on it |
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| 15:30.35 | nsadmin | that's a good point... you will either need a second stick (that doesn't have to be any larger than about 1 g) |
| 15:30.37 | nsadmin | or |
| 15:30.53 | nsadmin | you could respond to my earlier question... can you burn a cd? |
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| 15:31.36 | nsadmin | I'd say make an ext3 fs on it |
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| 15:31.54 | Titan8990 | ext2... usb stick doesn't need journaling |
| 15:32.08 | newbie-friendly | but the whole point of my creating a dos fs on the usb flash drive to (eventually" install Lenny onto the 16gig flash drive according to the instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 15:33.03 | smhar | I have a dell noteboke that does not seem to have a harddisk activity indicator, there is a small lens' near the webcam that might be used for that in windows. as there is no windows in this computer I can not confirm. is there a way to use it as such in debian squeeze? |
| 15:33.21 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: you know, I'm getting confused, so let's name everything... first you have two laptops, what will we call each? |
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| 15:34.50 | SuperAlekZ | which command do i need to use to restart apache? |
| 15:35.04 | petemc | apache2ctl |
| 15:35.12 | NiLon | + restart |
| 15:35.16 | petemc | or invoke-rc.d , or /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 15:35.35 | aitiba | hi |
| 15:35.40 | nsadmin | would use those latter two |
| 15:35.50 | aitiba | someone here has ever fight with syslinux? |
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| 15:36.01 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 15:36.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:36.15 | SerajewelKS | is there a command that reverses "fold"? i can't seem to find one... |
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| 15:36.28 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, I have two machines. My working machine is an Intel Atom netbook running Ubuntu 9.10 and the other machine is the OLD Celeron 366 MHz laptop whose IDE connector is broken but features bootable cd-rom and floppy drive. I want to install lenny onto a 16gig usb flash drive and use it on the OLD laptop |
| 15:36.35 | nsadmin | describe YOUR situation... if you really want to find others who have experienced a problem, search the bts |
| 15:36.42 | catfive1 | so ive got a debian-based webserver going live soon, and since it's going to host user-uploaded content, they want a virus scanner on there⦠what should I use? |
| 15:37.02 | catfive1 | we have an enterprise deal with mcaffee, but their product seems to only support redhat |
| 15:37.03 | newbie-friendly | the old laptop does not support booting from usb but it does support CD booting. Yes, I have Lenny install CD1 |
| 15:37.24 | macsim_ | I've installed dhcp3 server, my server got 2 network interfaces, I add in /etc/default/dhcpd my eth0 and eth1, create 2 pools with 192.168.1.0/24 (eth0) 192.168.42.0/24 (eth1) everything works fine for Mac and Linux box, but with windows it get a dhcpnack and failed to get the IP, do you know a scioux tips to manage this ? thanks |
| 15:37.33 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: so we can call the two machines "working" and "broken"? |
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| 15:38.34 | aitiba | I have a linux to boot a debian. the sysinux boot but say that they can find the kernel on /syslinux/vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-686 when is there. the syslinux.cfg is on /syslinux/syslinux.cfg. any ideas? |
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| 15:38.35 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, yes |
| 15:38.49 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, yes we can call the two machines "working" and "broken" |
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| 15:39.19 | nsadmin | ok, so you also have a 16g usb device, do you have other usb storage devices? |
| 15:39.56 | aitiba | nsadmin, my usb storage has 4 gb |
| 15:40.30 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, no |
| 15:40.47 | nsadmin | so, just one usb device, and you want to install onto it. |
| 15:40.51 | newbie-friendly | yes |
| 15:40.59 | nsadmin | ok, can you burn a cd? |
| 15:41.37 | newbie-friendly | I already have a Lenny install CD1 and the broken laptop can boot from it |
| 15:41.47 | nsadmin | oh, ok. |
| 15:41.53 | greymalkin | What's the best way to go about upgrading certain packages to 'testing' while keeping most of the system back at stable? |
| 15:42.06 | petemc | greymalkin: the best way is to use backported packages |
| 15:42.19 | artefact | greymalkin: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 15:42.31 | nsadmin | so you want to format the stick not as dos fs (which doesn't have "linux/unix semantics") to something that does |
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| 15:43.09 | nsadmin | greymalkin: not recommended period |
| 15:44.16 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, I have Lenny CD1 which I believe is enough to install Lenny onto any Intel compatible machine that has a cdrom drive and a working hard disk. I can NOT have an internet hard disk on the broken laptop because its IDE connector is broken |
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| 15:44.47 | nsadmin | internet? |
| 15:45.05 | newbie-friendly | sorry for the typo. I meant: I can NOT have an *internal* hard disk on the broken laptop because its IDE connector is broken |
| 15:45.14 | nsadmin | understood |
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| 15:45.24 | nsadmin | my statement still stands |
| 15:45.26 | Sarago | is chrome browser available as a debian package? |
| 15:45.29 | wols_ | greymalkin: backports. /msg dpkg backports /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:45.32 | nsadmin | you don't want a dosfs on the stick |
| 15:45.36 | Titan8990 | Sarago: yes, from upstream |
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| 15:46.53 | newbie-friendly | so that means I can not follow the instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03, right? |
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| 15:47.34 | newbie-friendly | I have to mention that the OLD laptop has only ONE usb port |
| 15:47.37 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 15:47.41 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: those instructions are for installing FROM usb, not installing TO it |
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| 15:47.50 | qwd | I suspect a bug has been fixed. Can someone with Stable and Gnome download the Speex file at the bottom http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/demos.html and open it by double clicking? You should get an error message. Here's the bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529053 Is there no one here who uses Gnome on Stable and is willing to spend 2 minutes on closing a bug? |
| 15:48.00 | Sarago | Titan8990: so its still in dev and not a release package yet? |
| 15:48.02 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: put in your Lenny CD, boot from it and install debian to your often mentioned USB stick |
| 15:48.23 | wols_ | Sarago: it's not in debian, period. and chrome will never be in debian either |
| 15:48.26 | Titan8990 | Sarago: its in "beta" and it is released |
| 15:48.40 | nsadmin | you can follow the instructions except for the formatting command |
| 15:49.10 | rooisto47 | can you give me a good way to install debian (testing) from usb stick |
| 15:49.20 | wols_ | !tell rooisto47 about usb install |
| 15:49.22 | Sarago | I did /msg dpkg upstream, but that didn't give me much information on getting it |
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| 15:49.36 | nsadmin | also, does the "flexible method" allow you to put the files in any dir (that you choose)? |
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| 15:50.18 | wols_ | nsadmin: he cannot boot frm usb, but he has a CD drive where he can boot from.... please think for a chance |
| 15:50.21 | wols_ | *change |
| 15:50.33 | nsadmin | qwd: perhaps you can find a list of those people by browsing the exact bug you're trying to close |
| 15:51.00 | newbie-friendly | wols, and how to do i go about it? the installation guide does not mention anything about installing lenny ONTO a 16gig usb flash drive and booting from even if the bios does not support it??? |
| 15:51.05 | nsadmin | wols_: he also wants to install ONTO the same usb device |
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| 15:51.35 | nsadmin | so he cannot format it using mkdosfs if the goal is to install debian onto it |
| 15:51.50 | newbie-friendly | I have Lenny install CD1 and can boot from it |
| 15:51.56 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: you studiously ignored the factoid. your choice to act idiotic |
| 15:52.14 | wols_ | newbie-friendly: and I want a pony |
| 15:52.26 | wols_ | the last line was for nsadmin actually |
| 15:52.49 | nsadmin | why would making a dosfs make any sense? |
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| 15:53.07 | wols_ | why would installing frm said stick make any? |
| 15:53.22 | nsadmin | exactly, so he boots the cd |
| 15:53.28 | wols_ | but then, I'm talking to nsadmin. I better stop. do something more productive |
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| 15:53.48 | qwd | nsadmin: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 15:53.59 | wols_ | nsadmin: very few people do :) |
| 15:54.02 | nsadmin | and he should format the stick either from the ubuntu box that he has already running or from the installer which he can boot now |
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| 15:54.47 | nsadmin | qwd: you're trying to find people who were having the issue described by a specific bug report... yes? |
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| 15:54.59 | cusco | hello |
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| 15:55.43 | cusco | in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf I commented "#options snd-hda-intel=0" and added "options snd-usb-audio index=0" |
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| 15:56.01 | valdyn | cusco: so? |
| 15:56.01 | cusco | now dmesg shows me: |
| 15:56.03 | cusco | [ 2.636347] generic-usb 0003:047F:C001.0003: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.00 Device [HID 047f:c001] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1/input3 |
| 15:56.06 | cusco | [ 5.891970] snd-usb-audio: probe of 3-1:1.0 failed with error -5 |
| 15:56.14 | cusco | oosp, sorry about 1st line |
| 15:56.30 | newbie-friendly | OK, on the OLD laptop I am right now about to boot from Lenny install CD, Do I have to boot entering any special boot parameter? |
| 15:56.43 | valdyn | cusco: each option is only read as soon as the module is loaded |
| 15:56.51 | nsadmin | try just booting it |
| 15:56.53 | jamil_1 | Hi, I am trying to compile linux kernel 2.6.21 for arm architecture for ts7200(sbc). I am having problem that when I boot from the kernel, I get the error: kernel panic unable to mount /dev/hda1 |
| 15:56.57 | valdyn | cusco: intel already has index 0 when your usb module is loading |
| 15:57.14 | SuperAlekZ | can i post a code-quote somewhere here? |
| 15:57.17 | wols_ | jamil_1: which debian version is this? |
| 15:57.17 | valdyn | cusco: so give intel the 1 or whatever, not 0 |
| 15:57.22 | wols_ | !tell SuperAlekZ about paste |
| 15:57.26 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 15:57.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:57.27 | cusco | valdyn: so instead of commenting out that line I should give it index 1 or so |
| 15:57.28 | cusco | right |
| 15:57.30 | cusco | thanks... |
| 15:57.31 | qwd | nsadmin: I want someone with Gnome/Stable to try it out because I'm on Sid now and I can't recreate it anymore |
| 15:57.40 | flami | Im wondering ... are there many scripts in apt that need /tmp to be uhm "not noexec"? :P |
| 15:57.47 | valdyn | cusco: or use /etc/asound.conf proper, which is better anyway |
| 15:57.48 | wols_ | qwd: VMs are an awesome invention |
| 15:57.50 | jamil_1 | wols_: file system ? |
| 15:57.51 | SuperAlekZ | thanks :) |
| 15:57.55 | cusco | is it? |
| 15:58.06 | wols_ | jamil_1: what debian version. not filesystem. DEBIAN VERSION |
| 15:58.11 | cusco | valdyn: I don't have that file |
| 15:58.14 | nsadmin | qwd (I'll take issue with "I can't" another time) yes or no? |
| 15:58.20 | nsadmin | qwd: you're trying to find people who were having the issue described by a specific bug report... yes? |
| 15:58.21 | valdyn | cusco: so create it |
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| 15:58.32 | jamil_1 | wols_: sarge |
| 15:58.35 | cusco | valdyn: im not sure.. why is it better? |
| 15:58.42 | valdyn | cusco: its complex. Probably more than you need to you could stick to your hack for that reason |
| 15:58.56 | wols_ | jamil_1: use the config file for your debian kernel from /boot and go from there |
| 15:59.01 | valdyn | cusco: alsa applications output to the !default device |
| 15:59.08 | cusco | right... |
| 15:59.19 | SuperAlekZ | alright, could someone help me with this: http://paste.debian.net/70067/ ? |
| 15:59.22 | valdyn | cusco: its merely coincidence that its the hw:0,0 for you |
| 15:59.23 | wols_ | jamil_1: but you should upgrade |
| 15:59.27 | qwd | nsadmin: it's more that I'm trying to find people who ARE having the issue so I can try the same file and see if the bug's in stable but not in sid. |
| 15:59.28 | cusco | I will try after reading http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA ... thanks valdyn |
| 15:59.49 | valdyn | cusco: my guess is that index=0 would work just fine for you however |
| 16:00.17 | nsadmin | qwd: ok, is it possible that any of the people you are trying to find have posted to the bug report? |
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| 16:00.35 | qwd | nsadmin: nope, it seems I'm the only one who's posted anything on it |
| 16:00.39 | jamil_1 | wols_: I am new regarding compiling kernel and to linux in particular so I am just following the guides I find on internet |
| 16:00.50 | wols_ | !tell jamil_1 about kernel-package |
| 16:00.53 | wols_ | jamil_1: follow this one |
| 16:01.15 | valdyn | cusco: distros seem to drop this alltogether though and just use pulseaudio |
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| 16:01.18 | nsadmin | qwd: hmm. so maybe you're the only one who has experienced the issue |
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| 16:01.24 | nsadmin | can you make a stable chroot? |
| 16:01.28 | valdyn | cusco: except for distros like debian which leave you choice as usual |
| 16:01.30 | cusco | valdyn: I don't |
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| 16:01.41 | cusco | valdyn: yep :-) |
| 16:01.43 | valdyn | cusco: aye |
| 16:01.45 | devdvd | hey all :) |
| 16:02.03 | jamil_1 | wols_:I am compiling for arm architecture. Actually I need to run it on ts7200 |
| 16:02.52 | adb | jamil_1, there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:03.00 | qwd | nsadmin: Could be but I doubt it. I just don't think many people open Speex files like that. Don't know how to make a stable chroot. |
| 16:03.02 | SerajewelKS | ok so attempting to load the linux-2.6 bug report page was a mistake |
| 16:03.30 | jamil_1 | adb: thanx, I will ask there as well |
| 16:03.37 | devdvd | got a question about rssh usage. basically i am trying to chroot a user to a specific directory and only allow sftp using rssh, here is my config line user=bar:011:00010:"/www/sites/jasontest.com/files/foo" but what happens is when i connect it says an sftp server isn't available, but when i comment out that line, i can connect fine (but the user obviously isnt jailed |
| 16:03.53 | devdvd | what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:04.19 | Titan8990 | devdvd: there is a full jail environment in foo/? |
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| 16:04.30 | nsadmin | qwd: do you know what a chroot is? and what the command chroot does? |
| 16:04.53 | nsadmin | take a look at man chroot and man debootstrap |
| 16:04.53 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, I booted from Lenny install CD1 and I am at the partitioning stage. The 16gig usb flash drive was detected as a SCSI device by the debian partitioning tool. Waiting for your instructions... |
| 16:05.00 | devdvd | Titan8990: there is not |
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| 16:06.12 | Titan8990 | devdvd: the jail needs to have everything needed for ssh. libc6, /usr/bin/rssh, /usr/bin/scp and etc.. |
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| 16:06.30 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: you want the whole 16gb to be used to store files? |
| 16:06.32 | Titan8990 | devdvd: if you can't chroot into it manually, then it hasn't been prepared |
| 16:06.36 | devdvd | ahhh |
| 16:07.07 | SuperAlekZ | guys, i need help on this one :D -> http://paste.debian.net/70067/ |
| 16:07.11 | qwd | nsadmin: I think it's when you change root of a program to another folder so it's locked into that folder and its subfolders. It kinda seems like a PITA to do all that work though. I was just trying to be responsible and check up on my old bug reports but if no one is interested in spending 2 minutes then it doesn't matter. It works for me. |
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| 16:07.23 | devdvd | okie :) makes sense thanks!...maybe you can provide a better option then. I have a user that i only want to be able to access 1 directory |
| 16:07.29 | \amethyst | qwd: I just tested on my etch vm, and I do see the same message |
| 16:07.31 | devdvd | via sftp |
| 16:07.33 | ddfreyne | My apt-get upgrade got interrupted and retrying the upgrade resulted in a âdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailableâ |
| 16:07.45 | ddfreyne | any way to fix this? can I safely remove the lock? (what *is* the lock file?) |
| 16:07.52 | qwd | \amethyst: with the file from my link? |
| 16:07.55 | nsadmin | qwd: in my case I do run stable but not gnome |
| 16:08.02 | \amethyst | qwd: yes |
| 16:08.30 | qwd | \amethyst: then I think we can consider this bug closed for sid! Thanks for checking. |
| 16:08.45 | qwd | nsadmin: Thanks to you as well for helping |
| 16:09.06 | SuperAlekZ | ah guys, nobody is reading my posts :S |
| 16:09.07 | Titan8990 | devdvd: not really.. personally I would just symlink that dir to the user's home directory and leave it at that |
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| 16:09.41 | nsadmin | ddfreyne: are you running dpkg/apt-get/aptitude at this moment? |
| 16:09.43 | devdvd | can i restrict them to their home directory doing that though? |
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| 16:09.46 | Titan8990 | devdvd: a regular user should have not have read access to anything sensitive anyways. |
| 16:09.49 | ddfreyne | nsadmin: nope |
| 16:09.57 | Titan8990 | devdvd: no |
| 16:10.01 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, i want to install lenny onto the 16gig usb flash drive and use it as a replacement for an internal IDE hard disk which I can not have. I want to create a / /usr /home /var and /home partition. Oh and a swap aprtition too! Yes I want to store file onto /home |
| 16:10.02 | Guest98649 | Hi. I've got a working debian installer preseed configuration steup. Now, I want to get a xen domu config file to *use* it. The config file's available via nfs, and -- at other clients -- the dir containing it can be mounted successfully with 'mount -t nfs 192.168.1.2:/svr/ /mnt'. |
| 16:10.02 | Guest98649 | So, for the Xen guest launch, I try 'xm create ... install-extra="auto=true url=nfs://192.168.1.2/svr/deb.cfg". The guest IS launched, and the installer DOES start -- but does not see/find the nfs-available cfg file. |
| 16:10.03 | scotepi | I'm trying to make init script for ventrilo but i can't figure out what group is allowed to open a tcp port... |
| 16:10.05 | ddfreyne | nsadmin: looks like a running âfrontendâ process still had a lock on it |
| 16:10.17 | devdvd | Titan8990: ok, thanks for all your help. |
| 16:10.24 | amphi | SuperAlekZ: looks like something is already using port 80 |
| 16:10.24 | Guest98649 | *IS* nfs-mount of the remote cfg file possible here? If so, is my syntax wrong? |
| 16:10.25 | ddfreyne | (based on lsof) |
| 16:10.46 | Titan8990 | scotepi: init scripts are generally ran by root |
| 16:10.51 | nsadmin | ddfreyne: then find where that's running and quit from it |
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| 16:11.08 | ddfreyne | nsadmin: killall frontend did the trick |
| 16:11.11 | SuperAlekZ | amphi: how can i check what it is? |
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| 16:11.56 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: so you want to partition the stick? go ahead and do that... decide how big each partition will be. |
| 16:12.03 | amphi | SuperAlekZ: netstat -plunt | grep 80 |
| 16:12.08 | qwd | When closing a bug do I just "provide extra information" from reportbug and then someone reads it and changes something? Or do I need to send some special email? |
| 16:12.23 | scotepi | Titan8990: k, ill try runing the init command |
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| 16:12.37 | SuperAlekZ | lighttpd |
| 16:12.41 | SuperAlekZ | is this the same as apache? |
| 16:12.45 | SuperAlekZ | *similar |
| 16:12.50 | omry|work | typically, is it the responsibility of a daemon to create the pid file or of the init.d script? |
| 16:12.52 | artefact | it's an httpd like apache |
| 16:12.55 | artefact | only light-er |
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| 16:13.03 | \amethyst | qwd: are you the submitter? |
| 16:13.07 | nsadmin | ddfreyne: you want to be careful about things like that. probably it wasn't in the middle of doing something, but if it was that could be a problem |
| 16:13.15 | qwd | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:13.50 | nsadmin | omry|work: the packaging of that daemon |
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| 16:13.55 | g00se | /proc/cpuinfo - which flag (if any) indicates that there's temperature sensing on the cpu itself? |
| 16:14.04 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, at some point I will reach the GRUB stage. Remember that the OLD laptop's bios does not support booting from usb. So what can i do about it? |
| 16:14.18 | omry|work | nsadmin, I was under the false impression that start-stop-daemon can do that. |
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| 16:14.21 | nsadmin | try using the cd in rescue mode |
| 16:14.31 | newbie-friendly | and then? |
| 16:14.33 | \amethyst | qwd: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing |
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| 16:14.52 | nsadmin | omry|work: which is called by the init.d script, right? |
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| 16:15.20 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: first finish what you're doing |
| 16:15.22 | omry|work | nsadmin, yes. the skeleton example in /etc/init.d does not seem to create a pid file. |
| 16:15.26 | \amethyst | qwd: it would be good to find which version of shared-mime-info fixes it |
| 16:15.49 | nsadmin | do you want it to? or what's the deal? |
| 16:15.59 | qwd | \amethyst: thanks! yikes, how would one do that? |
| 16:16.03 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, ok. i will finish first what i am doing. |
| 16:16.32 | omry|work | nsadmin, yes. I am creating a package for a program and I want the init.d script create the pid file (so stop will work properly) |
| 16:16.34 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: init scripts typically create a pid file |
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| 16:17.28 | nsadmin | omry|work, start-stop-daemon will do it, read its man page to see how to arrange it |
| 16:17.33 | \amethyst | qwd: I believe the fix is that the sid but not the lenny version of freedesktop.xml has <glob pattern="*.spx"/> under <mime-type type="audio/ogg"> |
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| 16:18.14 | \amethyst | qwd: so one way would be to find out when that was added, then test the preceding version and that version to verify |
| 16:18.27 | qwd | \amethyst: I'll include that info when closing the bug. Thanks. Out of curiousity, where did you find this? |
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| 16:19.12 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: after you're done installing onto the stick, you can try booting the installation by using the cd |
| 16:19.26 | \amethyst | qwd: I looked through /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml on etch and sid for things related to 'spx' and 'speex', and noticed that difference |
| 16:19.31 | SuperAlekZ | how can i deinstall apache then? |
| 16:19.35 | omry|work | nsadmin, the man page does not indicate the start-stop-daemon creates the pid: -p, --pidfile pid-file Check whether a process has created the file pid-file. |
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| 16:20.14 | Sarago | where do I get the adobe flash player 10 plugin from |
| 16:20.42 | artefact | Sarago: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:20.51 | Sarago | going to the site allows you to download an ubuntu deb file that won't work right? |
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| 16:21.19 | Sarago | artefact: I have to enable backports then is the only way? |
| 16:22.12 | nsadmin | omry|work, start-stop-daemon will do it, man page, -m |
| 16:22.31 | nsadmin | but make sure the daemon doesn't create its own |
| 16:22.44 | \amethyst | qwd: I just verified that that change does in fact fix the problem (by adding the element to the etch freedesktop.org.xml, running update-mime-database /usr/share/mime , and restarting nautilus) |
| 16:22.53 | omry|work | nsadmin, aha! thanks. (it doesn't create it, it's my own program). |
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| 16:24.43 | nsadmin | does your program fork the process that will live in the background and then exit? |
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| 16:25.45 | qwd | \amethyst: thanks! testing/unstable seems to be 6 versions ahead of stable, will try and see if I can find out which version got the change, otherwise this info should be enough |
| 16:25.53 | \amethyst | qwd: it looks like it was 0.60 |
| 16:26.03 | \amethyst | qwd: it wasn't in 0.51 but is in 0.60 |
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| 16:27.16 | qwd | \amethyst: how did you find out? I was about to download all the versions, unpack and read. I'm guessing you had a faster way? |
| 16:27.32 | \amethyst | qwd: nope, I did exactly that |
| 16:27.41 | \amethyst | qwd: well, binary search instead of checking them in order |
| 16:28.10 | qwd | \amethyst: ah so that's how... cheating! |
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| 16:29.10 | dacs | i don't know what happen , but everytime i do apt-get i keep getting "could not connect ot localhost:9999 (127.0.0.1). -connect (111:connection refused {IP 127.0.0.1 9999} |
| 16:29.37 | nsadmin | dacs look in your sources.list |
| 16:29.48 | dacs | this sound like my proxy port |
| 16:29.51 | \amethyst | qwd: I didn't actually test the two versions (0.51 and 0.60), but since I already established that adding the *.spx glob to ogg/audio fixes it, I didn't have to |
| 16:29.55 | dacs | but prefernces>network proxy is set to connect direct to internet |
| 16:29.59 | qwd | dacs: and use aptitude |
| 16:30.20 | nsadmin | well assuming you're lenny or above |
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| 16:31.54 | dacs | !sources.list |
| 16:31.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 16:40.24 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, this install onto usb flash drive is really really slow. I have been at the "Installing the base system" stage for over 30 min and I am only at 45% |
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| 16:41.09 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: the laptop is usb 1? |
| 16:41.17 | newbie-friendly | yes |
| 16:41.24 | nsadmin | that could explain it |
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| 16:42.23 | maligor | yeah, usb 1 is below 2MB/s theoretical |
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| 16:42.50 | newbie-friendly | most people would just bin a Celeron 366 MHz 192MB RAM laptop whose hard disk IDE connector is broken, right? |
| 16:42.56 | nsadmin | heya maligor... |
| 16:43.17 | \amethyst | newbie-friendly: *most* people would just bin it even if the IDE connector were fine |
| 16:44.13 | simonrvn | celery 366? yes. |
| 16:44.23 | epsilon | laptops are cheap enough these days |
| 16:44.43 | newbie-friendly | \amethyst, i paid 30 US dollars for it last month. i thought the IDE connector was OK |
| 16:44.43 | wols_ | the cool part about a usb install and linux is: you can install the OS on another PC and the plug in the usb stick at the old one to use it |
| 16:46.01 | unixp | which virtualbox-ose-module do i need for debian lenny 5.0.4 ? |
| 16:46.05 | newbie-friendly | It seems I just wasted my money. |
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| 16:47.19 | dougmencken | hello there, may I ask about bug reports here? |
| 16:48.54 | artefact | dougmencken: ? |
| 16:49.04 | dougmencken | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578269 has been reported 3 days ago, but I still haven't got any answer to him, no "requests for more info", nothing |
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| 16:50.08 | omry|work | nsadmin, sadly --make-pidfile does not work properly in my case because my process fork to daemonize. I guess I`ll just create the pidfile myself. |
| 16:50.13 | artefact | same problem with .26 and .32 ? |
| 16:50.32 | nsadmin | omry|work: have your program do it |
| 16:50.45 | newbie-friendly | I am going to abort the installation because I am going to be late for an appointment. I will try again tomorrow and let you know. Thanks for your help, guys |
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| 16:50.51 | nsadmin | and have your program respond to a stop signal by removing it |
| 16:51.10 | omry|work | nsadmin, good point. |
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| 16:51.19 | samael | hello |
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| 16:52.08 | nsadmin | newbie-friendly: look into how you can boot from the cd... once you can do that, you MIGHT be able to arrange soemthing else (as wols_ was implying earlier) |
| 16:52.39 | Guest95767 | Has anyone here installed Debian as a Xen Guest on a NON-Debain Xen Host? |
| 16:52.57 | nsadmin | meaning after you are done installing, the question becomes how do you boot... and I think you can using the CD's rescue mode |
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| 16:53.26 | nsadmin | so non-debain could be debian? |
| 16:53.30 | newbie-friendly | nsadmin, ok, i will look into it |
| 16:53.42 | newbie-friendly | thanks |
| 16:54.16 | Titan8990 | Guest95767: the OS of the dom0 should not matter |
| 16:54.30 | dougmencken | artefact, ^^^ |
| 16:54.41 | Titan8990 | Guest95767: ask your real question |
| 16:55.15 | karlpinc | nsadmin, newbie-friendly : syslinux should work, I'd guess. |
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| 16:55.21 | artefact | dougmencken: ? |
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| 16:56.03 | dougmencken | wrong distro; I made a wrong choice, sorry |
| 16:56.17 | newbie-friendly | karlpinc, what do you mean? could you please elaborate? |
| 16:56.28 | dougmencken | reposting this bug to bugs.freedesktop.org; then it's more likely to be seen by people who work on the driver, instead of those that just work on packaging it for the distro |
| 16:56.35 | g00se | Is there a general M.O. for applying firmware updates where normally a Windows exe would be used? |
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| 16:57.06 | Guest95767 | Titan8990: Well, it seems to as far as being able to get the Guest's deb-installer to use a pressed config file. I want the to-be-installed Debian Guest to find/use a preseed .cfg file mounted on a nfs:// volume. *somehow* I have to tell the deb-installer via the 'xm create' &/or its .cfg to mount the nfs vol. |
| 16:57.06 | Titan8990 | dougmencken: it is the maintainers job to forward your bug report to upstream |
| 16:57.19 | dougmencken | Titan8990, so the maintainers igonre me |
| 16:57.48 | Titan8990 | dougmencken: how long has it been? |
| 16:57.48 | Guest95767 | So far, I can easily launch the Debian guest into the *manual*/interactive installer ... but nothing, so far, has gotten it to see the nfs mount. |
| 16:58.28 | flami | Why does spamassassin need gcc and make ...? |
| 16:58.44 | dougmencken | Titan8990, > 3 days |
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| 16:59.03 | Titan8990 | dougmencken: that is not very long |
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| 16:59.38 | Guest95767 | Titan8990: The "real qquestion", then, is How/where do I tell the Debian Xen guest's installer to use a preseed file on an nfs volume? |
| 16:59.46 | dougmencken | and it's well-known problem, I'm not the only one: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2010-April/000116.html |
| 17:00.03 | Titan8990 | , versions xserver-xorg-video-r128 |
| 17:00.04 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-r128 -- lenny: 6.8.0-1; sid: 6.8.1-2; squeeze: 6.8.1-2 |
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| 17:01.01 | Titan8990 | dougmencken: then forwarding the bug by the maintainer isn't going to help. You have done everything you need to do. Time to wait or start writting a patch yourself |
| 17:01.35 | dougmencken | Titan8990, thanks |
| 17:02.32 | unixp | i installed vbox with the right modules, but i is still the same message: Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root. VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED) what must i do to bring it to run? |
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| 17:04.30 | dacs | everything works(ping , browsing, etc , but everytime i do apt-get i keep getting "could not connect ot localhost:9999 (127.0.0.1). -connect (111:connection refused {IP 127.0.0.1 9999} |
| 17:05.06 | nsadmin | connection refused on localhost means something is not listening at the port |
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| 17:05.41 | dacs | nsadmin: where do i look for it |
| 17:06.00 | llutz | dacs: did you set a http-proxy? |
| 17:06.04 | nsadmin | so if that's your proxy, it might mean your proxy is not running |
| 17:06.29 | dacs | llutz: no |
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| 17:06.59 | Guest95767 | ? |
| 17:07.07 | llutz | dacs: try "http_proxy='' sudo apt-get update" |
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| 17:08.59 | djura-san | o/ |
| 17:09.21 | dacs | llutz: you are a genius man ...it worked |
| 17:09.27 | dacs | :) |
| 17:09.49 | dacs | vwhat za hell waz za broblem |
| 17:09.51 | llutz | dacs: check where a proxy is set |
| 17:09.54 | karlpinc | dacs: Of course you should be using aptitude, but.... |
| 17:10.12 | Argafal | i'm trying to find out whether there are packages with the firmware for rt73 and tg3... reason for asking is that i see a firmware-iwlwifi package on backports, is there something similar for the two mentioned ones? |
| 17:10.30 | dacs | llutz: where else could i check other than prefrences > netwrok proxy |
| 17:10.54 | llutz | dacs: "grep -ir proxy /etc/apt/*" |
| 17:10.55 | dacs | llutz: can you please tell me how you troubleshot it ! what did u think off |
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| 17:12.55 | dacs | llutz: at '/etc/apt/apt.conf" |
| 17:13.21 | llutz | dacs: change it |
| 17:13.51 | dacs | to "apt-get update |
| 17:14.12 | llutz | dacs: to "no proxy" |
| 17:15.00 | dacs | cool thank you so much sir |
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| 17:18.24 | dacs | llutz: am embarrassed to ask ..how can i do it without doing vi "/etc/apt/apt.conf and search for proxy and change it to no proxy? |
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| 17:18.39 | llutz | dacs: use sed |
| 17:19.10 | dougmencken | perl is better than sed+awk |
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| 17:19.32 | llutz | whatever you like |
| 17:20.13 | shylent | hm, what am I supposed to do if the package clearly doesn't work (milter-greylist)? Basically, the daemon starts under the wrong user. Obviously I've fixed it for my installation, but surely this is not something that is supposed to happen? Should I file a bug? |
| 17:20.16 | themill | there's also /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that you can edit with "echo" and "rm" to save hassle |
| 17:20.22 | artefact | dougmencken: five women is better than two |
| 17:20.32 | greycat | shylent: when in doubt, yes, file a bug |
| 17:20.41 | dougmencken | artefact, no, one is better |
| 17:20.56 | shylent | greycat: yeah, ok. I'll try to reproduce on a clean system and then I will do so |
| 17:21.07 | artefact | dougmencken: one was not an option :D |
| 17:21.33 | dougmencken | the best one |
| 17:21.40 | hesco | how do I set the local timezone on a new box? |
| 17:21.46 | Titan8990 | dougmencken: only if you know perl |
| 17:21.57 | dacs | got it , thank you llutz |
| 17:21.57 | dougmencken | ;) |
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| 17:22.21 | greycat | hesco: edit /etc/timezone |
| 17:22.47 | Titan8990 | !timezone |
| 17:22.47 | dpkg | well, timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 17:22.47 | hesco | thanks greycat |
| 17:22.59 | dacs | hahahah now i am getting " E: syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf :l: extra junk after value |
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| 17:24.10 | greycat | /etc/localtime, eh? Huh... then what the hell's /etc/timezone do? |
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| 17:24.41 | Titan8990 | greycat: I am thinking that is something debian specific, because my other linux machines do not have that file |
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| 17:25.36 | dacs | hey greycat ..are you the same guy in #bash |
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| 17:25.58 | dacs | good guy |
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| 17:26.31 | themill | greycat: date(1) only looks in /etc/localtime. (or maybe it only uses /etc/localtime if it exists, otherwise falls back to /etc/timezone) |
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| 17:27.18 | greycat | sees nothing of use in date(1) or ctime(3) or any other man page he's looked at so far. Pathetic. |
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| 17:27.51 | themill | is pleased that greycat will be submitting patches to glibc |
| 17:27.55 | Titan8990 | well, /etc/timezone contains the ASCII "America/Kentucky/Louisville" on my system but /etc/localtime contains binary data |
| 17:28.37 | greycat | /usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz seems to refer to (libc) which I don't appear to have. |
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| 17:28.57 | greycat | *Note Specifying the Time Zone with `TZ': (libc)TZ Variable. |
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| 17:29.11 | themill | ,versions glibc-doc |
| 17:29.12 | judd | glibc-doc -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-5; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp2; experimental: 2.11-0exp4; experimental: 2.11-0exp6; experimental: 2.11-0exp7 |
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| 17:29.20 | greycat | And yes, it's easier for me to type zless /usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz than try to use info(1). |
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| 17:29.28 | eXeC001er | Hi. |
| 17:29.32 | themill | greycat: +1 |
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| 17:30.11 | eXeC001er | Why xen dom0 kernek not available in Squeeze, but available in Sid ? |
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| 17:30.30 | Titan8990 | !tell eXeC001er about moving target |
| 17:31.44 | greycat | glibc-doc only seems to contain a bunch of man3/pthread_* files |
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| 17:32.33 | eXeC001er | Titan8990: not fully understood, but thanks anyway. |
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| 17:33.24 | Titan8990 | !why is linux-image-686-xen not in testing |
| 17:33.24 | dpkg | linux-image-686-xen is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-686-xen |
| 17:33.41 | themill | greycat: hmm... might be glibc-doc-reference |
| 17:33.55 | Titan8990 | !why is linux-image-xen-686 not in testing |
| 17:33.55 | dpkg | linux-image-xen-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-xen-686 |
| 17:34.01 | greycat | themill: christ. |
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| 17:34.39 | greycat | themill: yes, that has the info files. |
| 17:34.46 | themill | greycat: where glibc documentation is concerned, even he might not help |
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| 17:35.14 | Titan8990 | well, that site isn't very useful for kernel meta-packages |
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| 17:35.31 | SuperAlekZ | anyone got a clue? -> http://paste.debian.net/70080/ |
| 17:35.33 | greycat | the info files say "For a system wide installation (the given paths are for an installation with `--prefix=/usr'), link the timezone file which is in `/usr/share/zoneinfo' to the file `/etc/localtime'." |
| 17:35.35 | petemc | xen also has special issues |
| 17:35.53 | greycat | Debian copies instead of links, for whatever reason. |
| 17:35.53 | valdyn | SuperAlekZ: why cant it open the error.log ? |
| 17:35.59 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: that isn't obvious? |
| 17:36.04 | greycat | And I have no idea what /etc/timezone is for. |
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| 17:36.36 | dacs | llutz: sorry man...but in /etc/apt/apt.conf i have Acquire::http::proxy "http://localehost:9999/"; |
| 17:36.39 | valdyn | so your apps dont change automagically when a timezone changes |
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| 17:36.57 | _KaszpiR_ | localehost? |
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| 17:37.13 | SuperAlekZ | valdyn: Titan8990 that's my question :D |
| 17:37.24 | valdyn | SuperAlekZ: open the file yourself and see |
| 17:37.41 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: you need to do a little thinking. what do you think would cause a permission denied error? |
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| 17:37.58 | SuperAlekZ | some "chown" thingy probably Titan8990 ? |
| 17:38.01 | dacs | if i change that to no proxy i get " " E: syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf :l: extra junk after value" |
| 17:38.02 | llutz | dacs: delete that line if you don't need a proxy or set " Acquire::http::proxy "";" |
| 17:38.15 | dacs | aha |
| 17:38.44 | SuperAlekZ | well the file isn't even there :o |
| 17:38.55 | llutz | dacs: just delete that line |
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| 17:39.14 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: which means you need to look at perms on the parent directory |
| 17:39.20 | SuperAlekZ | :S |
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| 17:39.43 | SuperAlekZ | by doing what Titan8990 ? |
| 17:39.54 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: ls -l |
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| 17:40.42 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: while being in which directory? |
| 17:40.59 | dacs | llutz: now i am back to the same issue when i run the update manager i get "111: connection refused etc" |
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| 17:41.43 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: I am trying to get you to think some for yourself but you're asking for a spoon on every damn step... |
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| 17:42.34 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: clever, ain't it? :B |
| 17:44.18 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: now i've got this http://paste.debian.net/70082/ |
| 17:44.53 | greycat | !permissions |
| 17:44.53 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 17:45.31 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: i managed it :] changed user-permissions |
| 17:45.31 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: I will not be helping anymore unless I think that you made a legit effort to work for yourself. Check out the links the factoid above. |
| 17:45.56 | SuperAlekZ | now the permissions are set |
| 17:45.59 | nsadmin | , versions tcl |
| 17:46.00 | judd | tcl -- lenny: 8.4.16-2; sid: 8.4.16-2; squeeze: 8.4.16-2; experimental: 8.5.0-1 |
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| 17:46.07 | SuperAlekZ | but still it tells me 404 not found when opening up team-ahoi.de :/ |
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| 17:46.26 | ace_ | good evening from germany |
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| 17:46.40 | Titan8990 | thinks SuperAlekZ should have just bought shared hosting |
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| 17:47.24 | SuperAlekZ | probably |
| 17:47.27 | SuperAlekZ | still i wanna try it |
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| 17:47.34 | ace_ | just one question, Do you know if any companies use linux in their companies |
| 17:47.42 | greycat | ace_: yes. |
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| 17:47.59 | ace_ | greycat: in germany microsoft is dominating with 90% :( |
| 17:48.13 | Titan8990 | maybe on the workstations... |
| 17:48.21 | llutz | not on servers |
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| 17:49.10 | ace_ | because I have to make a decision for future . Do something with linux or something with malwaresoft windows ... |
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| 17:49.49 | Titan8990 | ace_: that is extremely vague.. I am sure this discussion is on many mailing list archives |
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| 17:50.11 | jelly-home | "companies use linux in their companies"? |
| 17:50.17 | isfranc | ace_ for the job, windows and linux |
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| 17:50.34 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: i do not understand why it says 404 - not found. I've configured it to point to the correct folder :/ |
| 17:50.44 | isfranc | windows share is good on linux |
| 17:51.04 | isfranc | dhcp and dns is good on linux for windows |
| 17:51.06 | isfranc | etc |
| 17:51.09 | greycat | yeah, learning both would give you the optimum flexibility |
| 17:51.26 | Titan8990 | if pay is what your after.... |
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| 17:52.02 | jelly-home | wouldn't put dns on windows on the internets to save his life |
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| 17:52.38 | isfranc | linux is poor on workstation, mutimedia etc |
| 17:52.40 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: i do not understand why it says 404 - not found. I've configured it to point to the correct folder :/ |
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| 17:52.53 | greycat | isfranc: I'd disagree if I cared enough to argue about it |
| 17:52.54 | jelly-home | that's like using bind for dns... sure, nice if you have the hardware, but it eats 4 times as much cpu as the next thing |
| 17:53.10 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: hey.... |
| 17:53.16 | jelly-home | waves |
| 17:53.31 | isfranc | greycat: it s a drivers probleme |
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| 17:53.55 | petemc | i havent noticed bind being particularly cpu hungry, perhaps my needs are modest tho |
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| 17:54.23 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: ? |
| 17:54.30 | Titan8990 | I run my bind on a xen domU with only 256mb of RAM. seems to do fine for my 2-5 clients |
| 17:54.33 | isfranc | linux have probleme because material have no good help for drivers |
| 17:54.34 | jelly-home | petemc: my machines get about 2k queries / second |
| 17:54.40 | greycat | BIND is impenetrably complicated to configure, which makes it a PITA |
| 17:54.49 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: I don't know, I don't use lighthttpd, I don't know what your config is or what your dir tree looks like |
| 17:55.05 | Titan8990 | SuperAlekZ: you can try a lighthttpd channel, but I suggest putting forth more of your own effort first |
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| 17:55.16 | isfranc | linux is strong on server, but great problem on workstation |
| 17:55.27 | Titan8990 | greycat: I enjoyed my weekend of configuring bind :p |
| 17:55.28 | greycat | isfranc: if you say so. |
| 17:55.32 | shylent | bind is complicated to configure? hah, thats a strange thing to say. For the protocol it operates with, it is extraordinarily easy and clear to configure |
| 17:55.51 | solifugus | To use HTTPS with apache2, what package do I need to install (I installed Lenny w/ "Webserver" option) |
| 17:55.53 | shylent | also, debian defaults for bind are nice, so you don't even have to do much yourself |
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| 17:56.19 | Titan8990 | shylent: zonefiles are easy to setup.. but named.conf it can take quite a bit of reading |
| 17:56.21 | jelly-home | shylent: the support is already there. |
| 17:56.28 | jelly-home | er. |
| 17:56.32 | shylent | hm? |
| 17:56.38 | jelly-home | solifugus: ssl support is already there |
| 17:56.41 | greycat | yeah, the zone files are nice. |
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| 17:56.46 | jelly-home | mistab, sorry |
| 17:57.10 | isfranc | greycat i try to have multiseat on tv and with other card on pc screen, ........ hard is the rock |
| 17:57.28 | greycat | isfranc: you're doing bizarre Windows-y shit. That's why. |
| 17:57.32 | shylent | Titan8990: well yeah, you need to have at least a basic idea about how dns works, yes |
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| 17:58.09 | jelly-home | isfranc: that doesn't sound like an enterprisey use case |
| 17:58.13 | greycat | If you use a workstation (your word) for *WORK* instead of for trying to make a "multiseat" (whatever that is) involving a television, then it's much easier. |
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| 17:58.25 | petemc | heh |
| 17:58.47 | jelly-home | .. WHERE work LIKE '%youtube.com%' |
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| 17:59.15 | Titan8990 | s/youtube.com/irc.freenode.net/ |
| 17:59.21 | solifugus | jelly-home: then how do I make it work? |
| 17:59.25 | greycat | Anyway, I can watch downloaded TV episodes on my Debian system. No problems. |
| 17:59.41 | jelly-home | greycat: tbh, there are lots of apps requiring IE and/or having windows only clients |
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| 18:00.12 | greycat | jelly-home: I'm seeing less and less of those as the years go by, thankfully. A lot of apps are becoming web-based, and even work with real browsers. |
| 18:00.18 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: netflix and quake live is the only thing that ocmes to mind |
| 18:00.37 | Titan8990 | quake live is easily replaced with openarena |
| 18:01.03 | greycat | netflix and quake live are very important workstation apps, yes. |
| 18:01.36 | solifugus | jelly-home: I see default-ssl under sites-available pointing to /var/www... but only http:// works to there... https:// just hangs.. |
| 18:01.45 | solifugus | There is no firewall |
| 18:01.50 | Titan8990 | greycat: exactly |
| 18:02.01 | jelly-home | solifugus: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian, for a start |
| 18:02.07 | Titan8990 | solifugus: -available is not the same as -enabled |
| 18:02.13 | nsadmin | , versions tcl8.5 |
| 18:02.14 | judd | tcl8.5 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; sid: 8.5.8-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2 |
| 18:02.18 | solifugus | ok |
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| 18:05.33 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: i think i'm gonna kill my self nao! :D |
| 18:05.47 | dacs | if i mess up my apt...is there is a way i can delete it and re-install it to reset everything to default please |
| 18:06.24 | jelly-home | dacs: no, that makes no sense in debian. |
| 18:06.29 | greycat | probably messy, since there's more than one package involved |
| 18:06.31 | Supaplex | dpkg never lies |
| 18:06.31 | dpkg | except that one time, but if I told you, I'd have to kill you anyway... |
| 18:06.55 | greycat | I dislike a lot of the unnecessary package splitting that Debian does. |
| 18:07.08 | jelly-home | dacs: there are ways to deal with "messed up apt", depending on the situation |
| 18:07.10 | d1b | a lot of us like it |
| 18:07.21 | greycat | ii apt 0.7.20.2+lenny Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 18:07.24 | greycat | ii apt-utils 0.7.20.2+lenny APT utility programs |
| 18:07.34 | greycat | what's the point of that? |
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| 18:07.41 | d1b | greycat: apt-get moo |
| 18:07.44 | SuperAlekZ | Titan8990: please don't tell me your care cup is empty :( c[_] |
| 18:08.06 | jelly-home | greycat: maybe you don't want apt-ftparchive! |
| 18:08.34 | greycat | jelly-home: but... it's Important! |
| 18:08.43 | greycat | oops, sorry, lower-case important |
| 18:08.48 | dacs | jelly-home: if i did apt-get update or install it works fine, but if i do it from update manager i get : W:blah blah connect(111: connection refused) IP127.0.0.1 9999 |
| 18:08.49 | Titan8990 | the package splitting makes up for lack of USE flags |
| 18:09.04 | jhambo | I think I misunderstand what `aptitude purge kmail` actually should do. I thought it would delete all configuration like the contents of $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail. But it doens't seem to delete that. What _does_ purge delete that normal uninstall doesn't? |
| 18:09.11 | dacs | jelly-home: i am able to browse net just fine |
| 18:09.23 | greycat | jhambo: it purges system-wide configs, not user home dir configs |
| 18:09.31 | Titan8990 | jhambo: apt will never touch user specific configuration (your homedir) |
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| 18:10.02 | jelly-home | dacs: sounds like you still have a proxy setting hiding somewhere |
| 18:10.31 | dacs | jelly-home: where else can i find it |
| 18:10.36 | greycat | dacs: env | grep proxy |
| 18:10.46 | jhambo | ahhh makes sense. I was dumb just spent like 6 hours trying to figure out an issue that just needed me to delete the kmail config and let it be regenerated. |
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| 18:11.58 | dacs | greycat: jelly-home : http_proxy= sudo apt-get update |
| 18:12.14 | abrotman | !tell Guest50503 about root |
| 18:12.14 | jelly-home | blinks |
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| 18:12.51 | greycat | dacs: sudo may fuck with the environment too. |
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| 18:13.06 | greycat | it takes a lot of doing to make sudo work the way you expect... |
| 18:13.07 | jelly-home | dacs: be root, then check environment |
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| 18:13.24 | jelly-home | sudo env | grep proxy ;-) |
| 18:13.45 | Argafal | i got a new machine with an ATI graphics card. (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series according to lspci) could someone point me towards a page concerning support of that card? all my searches end up on the commercial ati driver pages.... |
| 18:14.13 | Titan8990 | !tell Argafal about ati |
| 18:14.14 | Argafal | IS the support that bad that i would want to get the proprietary stuff? wouldn't hope so. |
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| 18:14.42 | jelly-home | dacs: or just open a proper root shell using "su -" or "sudo -i" and see where it gets you |
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| 18:15.30 | jelly-home | Argafal: if it's new hardware, chances are proprietary drivers will best support it |
| 18:15.49 | dondelelcaro | Argafal: it's supported with the ati driver, but I don't know if 3d works properly. |
| 18:15.59 | jelly-home | Argafal: unless you specifically shop for hardware with free drivers, that is |
| 18:16.00 | dondelelcaro | (if you're like me, and don't care about 3d, then it should be fine) |
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| 18:17.10 | greycat | or just get something 5 years old. |
| 18:17.20 | greycat | cheaper, works better. |
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| 18:17.42 | Titan8990 | and easier to find in passive cooling models |
| 18:18.14 | maligor | Argafal, at the moment you would want to use the fglrx driver, the opensource driver powermanagement is rather raw still |
| 18:18.16 | nutron | I find myself with hardware that will only run reliably on squeeze. I'm changing the sources list to allow this, though I come up with the fact that I'd like to point it to security updates. The assumption here is that this service isn't live. Is it? |
| 18:18.41 | dacs | jelly-home: root http_proxy was set to http://localhost:9999/ and i change it to http_proxy= apt-get update and still i am getting the same problem |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | nutron: it's live, but basically empty |
| 18:18.53 | niklaswe | how can i specify which packages som will be installed on my xen-quest with the debootstrap.. |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | dacs: unset http_proxy |
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| 18:19.26 | nutron | abrotman: yes indeed, though the location is simply deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main ?? |
| 18:19.37 | greycat | nutron: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 18:19.55 | nutron | greycat: thx. |
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| 18:21.50 | nutron | my other question is simple, are the security updates distributed to mirrors? I use ftp.ca.debian.org as my main source, is there a different security mirror location? |
| 18:21.53 | dacs | jelly-home: still the same issue |
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| 18:22.50 | jelly-home | dacs: you'll have to a) learn to configure sudo, b) find where that variable is set and unset it |
| 18:23.08 | jelly-home | no necessarily in that order |
| 18:23.19 | greycat | nutron: security.debian.org is not mirrored |
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| 18:24.18 | jelly-home | nutron: howEVER, security.debian.org is a DNS round-robin A record, pointing to a number of different machines |
| 18:24.32 | jelly-home | mmm, also AAAA |
| 18:25.04 | peterS | yeah so it _is_ mirrored but not by the same mirror network as ftp.??.debian.org et al. |
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| 18:25.56 | nutron | Oh nice. I hate pounding debian's servers. Though I've already tried apt-[proxy|cache|cacher] and approx, they don't seem to help much. |
| 18:25.57 | peterS | in fact the DNS even uses GeoIP nowadays - check out 'host -t txt security.debian.org' |
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| 18:26.20 | jelly-home | peterS: there's that cdn.debian.net thing |
| 18:26.28 | nutron | peterS: brilliant |
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| 18:27.02 | nutron | I've learned to stop judging debian and its technical capability based on its website years ago ;) |
| 18:27.12 | peterS | ha |
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| 18:27.44 | jelly-home | it's like no one wants to touch the web site with a ten fool pole :-( |
| 18:27.45 | Korusef_ | where exactly is specification what could be in project name ? regexp or grammer ? |
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| 18:28.44 | jelly-home | Korusef_: are you sure you're in the correct channel? |
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| 18:29.49 | jelly-home | Korusef_: you question seems to be missing some context, that's why I'm asking |
| 18:30.03 | Korusef_ | this is general debian channel, right ? |
| 18:30.21 | nutron | jelly-home: heh yeah, it could be so sexily automated. Though the last bts update was a welcome change. |
| 18:30.27 | peterS | Korusef_: yes. are you referring to debian package names, then? |
| 18:30.27 | Titan8990 | debian support... don't know about "general" |
| 18:30.52 | Korusef_ | peterS: yes |
| 18:31.14 | Korusef_ | trying to write my own building wrap around dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 18:31.54 | nutron | There's the other side of things though, supporting old systems is part of debian's credo which is a good thing, I don't even know what browser the site targets. Though as a guess it's probably lynx. |
| 18:31.59 | peterS | Korusef_: I don't know about a regex or formal spec, but package names need to use the character set [a-z0-9.+-] |
| 18:31.59 | Korusef_ | one of the inputs is package name and I want to be as strict as possible, but I cannot find the restrictions |
| 18:32.12 | jelly-home | Korusef_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Source |
| 18:32.15 | dondelelcaro | nutron: most of the time, people who start looking at the website aren't even aware of all of the content that the website has and how many languages it's translated into |
| 18:32.17 | peterS | Korusef_: I think that's all the legal characters |
| 18:32.24 | Korusef_ | ahh thanks |
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| 18:32.42 | greycat | web sites should not "target" browsers. they should target standards. |
| 18:32.49 | peterS | Korusef_: a long long time ago we had a few packages with capital letters in them, but I don't think that's been legal for awhile |
| 18:32.50 | dondelelcaro | nutron: since the website needs to be static, needs to handle about 30 languages, and needs to work everywhere |
| 18:33.02 | jelly-home | greycat: web sites target users. |
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| 18:33.05 | nutron | dondelelcaro: oh I'm aware, it's a big b___h for sure. |
| 18:33.10 | greycat | jelly-home: ok, that's fair. |
| 18:33.15 | dondelelcaro | (and honestly, most of the problems with the website aren't actually its appearance; the problems are primarily with organization) |
| 18:33.21 | Korusef_ | yeh, so \w is definitely the wrong charset to use, just wanted to be sure |
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| 18:34.08 | nutron | greycat: well there is a target of usability usually isn't there? The browser provides the experience, and assuming that targeting say... CSS1 would encompass a family or level of browser ... well I guess we're both saying the same thing. |
| 18:34.26 | nutron | dondelelcaro: may I ask why it needs to be static? |
| 18:34.38 | peterS | nutron: given the kind of content debian.org has, fancy nonportable features would be completely useless, I'm thinking |
| 18:34.41 | Korusef_ | hmm packages must start with alphanumeric character ? does that mean that 9bla is correct name ? |
| 18:34.53 | peterS | nutron: as for why static, because mirrors are hosted by arbitrary third parties |
| 18:35.09 | dondelelcaro | nutron: the website runs on a number of mirrors, and getting them all to have stuff in them is problematic |
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| 18:35.18 | dondelelcaro | nutron: and the website also already uses CSS1 |
| 18:35.22 | peterS | and we've chosen _not_ to require those arbitrary third parties to have particular scripting languages or whatever, configured in particular ways |
| 18:35.56 | jelly-home | Korusef_: yes |
| 18:36.03 | jelly-home | judd: info 9wm |
| 18:36.04 | greycat | Korusef_: yes, there is a package called 915resolution for example |
| 18:36.05 | judd | 9wm (x11, optional): emulation of the Plan 9 window manager 8-1/2. Version: 1.2-9; Size: 24.3k; Installed: 68k |
| 18:36.34 | peterS | Korusef_: yeah I guess I forgot to mention, packages should not start with [.+-], they need to start with [a-z0-9] |
| 18:36.49 | dondelelcaro | Korusef_: the package regex is explained in policy if you want to know the complete definition |
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| 18:36.52 | jelly-home | dots are seldom used, but... microcode.ctl |
| 18:36.56 | nutron | peterS: well I don't think fancy is the word I'd use, mainly I'd look for usability... though to be fair, I don't have specific ideas at this time, I did about 5 years ago. I think it's mainly the fact that it looks like it doesn't get updated as often as it should and I have no idea if that stems from lack of volunteers or the lack of the ability to update it in a timely manner. |
| 18:37.24 | dondelelcaro | Korusef_: [a-z0-9][a-z0-9\.+-]+ |
| 18:37.46 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: + ... or *? |
| 18:38.00 | jelly-home | ah. "at least two characters long" |
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| 18:38.31 | nutron | peterS, dondelelcaro: I see. Makes perfect sense to use statics. |
| 18:38.56 | SerajewelKS | peterS, nutron: from a looks standpoint, surely a less-dated stylesheet could be easily mirrored. the current site is not ugly, but it does kind of scream "pre-1995" at you. |
| 18:39.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, there's more to it than a stylesheet, but yes, the general layout could look a bit less dated. the problem is, everyone who thinks they should go off and redesign it either (1) does not have the political acumen to get enough people on board, or (2) does not have the staying power to see it through |
| 18:40.34 | peterS | SerajewelKS: point (1) is important, because a website look and feel is the ultimate bike shed, and debian is full of bikeshedders |
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| 18:40.41 | SerajewelKS | peterS: and the rest of us honestly don't care as long as we can find the download link |
| 18:41.11 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: well, the download ink isn't as prominently featured as it could (should?) be |
| 18:41.12 | dondelelcaro | that said, there is some work being done on that currently for the website |
| 18:41.13 | SerajewelKS | peterS: basically, i think it could look better but don't care enough to actually do anything about it :) |
| 18:41.42 | nutron | SerajewelKS: heh, well back to my original statement of "I don't judge debian's capabilities based on its website" stems probably from the "look" although prior to dondelelcaro and peterS explaining things I did make the assumption that a few intermediate users would just keep walking to ubuntu's shop... |
| 18:41.50 | nutron | though .. that may not be a bad thing |
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| 18:41.54 | amphi | likes the venerable appearance of the site |
| 18:42.21 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah but there's been "some work being done" ever since 2006, and most of it has never gone anywhere. as for current efforts, I'll believe it when I see it actually deployed (: |
| 18:42.32 | SerajewelKS | at least on debian's website you can actually find most of the shit you are looking for, unlike the website of a certain other large software company |
| 18:42.53 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: ibm? hp? redhat? ms? |
| 18:43.01 | greycat | is pre-1995 and thinks there's nothing wrong with that. |
| 18:43.02 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: be more specific! |
| 18:43.02 | Vroomfondle | Oracle? |
| 18:43.12 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: thinking of MS specifically... though i'm sure all of them to a certain extent :) |
| 18:43.16 | greycat | jelly-home: all of them. |
| 18:43.29 | jelly-home | greycat: correct. :-| |
| 18:43.32 | Vroomfondle | We've just got Oracle. Navigating their website is like orienteering in a jungle of buzzwords. |
| 18:43.47 | SerajewelKS | for support, HPs website is mostly easy... |
| 18:44.04 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: links break every 6 months |
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| 18:44.25 | peterS | I love those software company websites whose first question is what sort of customer you are, and/or what part of the world you live in. never mind that! show me the site map! |
| 18:44.43 | nutron | hmm yeah I guess good point, they're all a sea of buzzwords and painful frustration |
| 18:44.45 | Shadur | MS. One particularly infuriating example happened to me while trying to install a fix for GfWL - not because I like the service, but because Fallout 3 demands it to be installed. The crash issue was in the knowledge base and pointed to a hotfix... Pointed /directly/ to a hotfix that only worked for 32-bit versions of windows 7, and despite scouring the MS website, I never did find the 64-bit version of the fix until it rolled in the auto-updates. |
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| 18:45.02 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 18:45.41 | SuperAlekZ | how can i check what is using port 80? |
| 18:45.48 | Shadur | SuperAlekZ: netstat |
| 18:45.49 | peterS | SuperAlekZ: netstat -ntpl |
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| 18:45.57 | greycat | lsof -i :80 |
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| 18:46.07 | jelly-home | whoa 1001 users! |
| 18:46.20 | nutron | :o and only 6 talking |
| 18:46.27 | jelly-home | pops the virtual champagne |
| 18:47.12 | SuperAlekZ | lol lighttpd is using this port, but when i want to start lighttpd it tell's me that another application is already using this port |
| 18:47.23 | Shadur | SuperAlekZ: Because it's already running. |
| 18:47.34 | SuperAlekZ | so, how can i restart it? |
| 18:47.35 | greycat | so stop it first. |
| 18:47.48 | peterS | SuperAlekZ: sounds like lighttpd and its init scripts has lost track of the running instance. somehow the pid file is missing or outdated. |
| 18:47.50 | g00se | Is there a general M.O. for applying firmware updates where normally a Windows exe would be used? |
| 18:48.06 | SuperAlekZ | peterS: what can i do about that? |
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| 18:48.11 | greycat | SuperAlekZ: kill it by PID |
| 18:48.32 | greycat | this is assuming, of course, you already tried "/etc/init.d/lighththththttpddd stop" or whatever. |
| 18:48.32 | peterS | g00se: firmware updates for what device? the motherboard bios? some random USB device? |
| 18:48.36 | SerajewelKS | SuperAlekZ: or you're being hit by lighttpd's default configurating being incompatible with bindv6only=0 |
| 18:48.41 | nutron | I will part with this one last piece of useless information... serif fonts make my eyes bleed |
| 18:48.42 | SerajewelKS | configuration* |
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| 18:49.16 | peterS | nutron: you don't do a lot of dead tree book reading, then, I guess? |
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| 18:49.43 | peterS | I can't imagine the pleasure of reading books would be worth the eye-bleeding |
| 18:49.52 | nutron | peterS: unfortunately no, heh... Now it's all on my screens |
| 18:49.54 | g00se | peterS: Let's say DVD-RW |
| 18:50.00 | greycat | You're not supposed to shove the books into your eye sockets. |
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| 18:50.06 | greycat | Your eyes are not removable media drives. |
| 18:50.14 | nutron | greycat: iPad! :'( |
| 18:50.46 | SuperAlekZ | greycat: peterS Shadur look here :/ -> http://paste.lighttpd.net/1024 |
| 18:50.47 | peterS | g00se: I'd be surprised if you could do it at all, for that sort of random hardware, honestly |
| 18:51.24 | nutron | g00se: if it's an lg drive, their firmware update software runs under dos... freedos bootdisk and you're good to go. |
| 18:51.27 | SerajewelKS | awaits the imminent ipad "discussion" |
| 18:51.29 | ax-ax | anyone know how to disable "hardware acceleration" in flashplugin? |
| 18:51.29 | greycat | SuperAlekZ: just kill it by PID, then |
| 18:51.42 | greycat | SerajewelKS: can they run Debian? |
| 18:51.51 | SuperAlekZ | how can this be done? |
| 18:51.52 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that would kick ass |
| 18:51.54 | greycat | If they can't, then it's off topic :P |
| 18:51.59 | peterS | yeah what CPU do those things have, anyway? |
| 18:52.25 | nutron | greycat: lol, true enough |
| 18:52.31 | SerajewelKS | greycat: was referring to nutron's comment, but whatever |
| 18:53.13 | nutron | I'm not sure what processor it uses but I'm sure debian will eventually run on it |
| 18:53.15 | g00se | nutron: Unfortunately, it ain't :( |
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| 18:54.51 | nutron | g00se: hmm, well I don't know what to tell you. firmware is usually obfu'd and "protected" so it's difficult. As much of a pain in the butt that it may be, remove the drive, connect it to a winblows box and you're off to the races. It's a cop out, but I've found myself in the same place before |
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| 18:55.19 | SerajewelKS | is the drive removable? |
| 18:55.29 | greycat | nutron: that's how we did firmware upgrades for the burners we had on our HP-UX workstations, too. |
| 18:56.03 | peterS | I hope the drive is removable. imagine a DVD drive soldered to the motherboard |
| 18:56.05 | karlpinc | I thought there was some linux firmware updater, or am I thinking of a bios updater? |
| 18:56.18 | g00se | SerajewelKS: Laptop DVD-RW |
| 18:56.30 | SerajewelKS | ah, i meant removable as in external |
| 18:56.30 | Titan8990 | greycat: HP-UX ran on workstations? |
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| 18:56.55 | peterS | Titan8990: sure, though they had to be PA-RISC or Itanium workstations |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | PA-RISC in our case |
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| 18:57.09 | SerajewelKS | was going to say, for external USB devices you should be able to update the firmware from an OS running in virtualbox |
| 18:57.43 | g00se | There's hardware in there that's even more inscrutable - even to lm_sensors |
| 18:57.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if you manage to give virtualbox a SCSI/ATAPI passthrough to the DVD drive, you could probably even do that |
| 18:58.00 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, true. i know it supports that. |
| 18:58.10 | peterS | the firmware updater most likely uses a custom SCSI command |
| 18:58.13 | SuperAlekZ | greycat: so how can i kill lighttpdtddshitstdp by PID? |
| 18:58.19 | karlpinc | FWIW, I updated the firmware of a dvd drive via http://tdb.rpc1.org/, or some rpc1.org link anyway. |
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| 18:58.54 | greycat | SuperAlekZ: get the PID with "ps auxw | grep whatever" and then use the kill command. |
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| 18:59.10 | peterS | he already got the pid with lsof -i, remember (: |
| 18:59.16 | nutron | greycat: random question.. you ever thought of running a "neato scripts" repo for bash snippets running beside the wiki? like vim tips? I'd love to see what others do to their prompts, or much with completion etc.. this internets thing puts a divide between us all. User groups are ... so 1990's. |
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| 18:59.43 | greycat | nutron: the thing about wikis is they're world writable. |
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| 19:00.15 | abrotman | if you configure them that way ? |
| 19:00.30 | nutron | greycat: oh yeah, I didn't mean the wiki, but a simple repo for ... yeah maybe I did mean the wiki :). |
| 19:01.36 | SuperAlekZ | lol greycat after entering "grep lighttpd" it doesn't show the root [~]# anymore :o |
| 19:02.44 | amphi | SuperAlekZ: ctrl-c |
| 19:02.48 | greycat | SuperAlekZ: you didn't use the pipeline "|" correctly. |
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| 19:04.41 | SuperAlekZ | "root [ ~ ]# /etc/init.d/lighttpd start Starting web server: lighttpd." alright so now the webserver is running |
| 19:04.45 | SuperAlekZ | but i still get the 404 :/ |
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| 19:05.43 | allure | !asoundconfig |
| 19:05.46 | allure | hmm |
| 19:05.46 | greycat | SuperAlekZ: at that point, the #lighttpd channel should be able to help |
| 19:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: So it's starting - is it running? Is there a log? errors.log should tell you why something is 404. |
| 19:06.12 | allure | I'm having trouble with usb sound and flash player on etch... could anyone give me a hand? |
| 19:06.21 | Titan8990 | greycat: I suggested that long ago |
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| 19:06.30 | greycat | you realize that etch is no longer supported? |
| 19:06.35 | peterS | wow, etch? 2005 called... |
| 19:06.52 | Titan8990 | 2005? its only been out of support for a couple months |
| 19:06.52 | greycat | 2007, says dpkg. |
| 19:06.59 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 19:07.07 | allure | oops, I mean squeeze =) |
| 19:07.07 | Titan8990 | peterS: you must be thinking sarge |
| 19:07.19 | Titan8990 | even worse! |
| 19:07.28 | greycat | allure: I really would not suggest lying about your OS version when you request help.... |
| 19:07.39 | allure | was not intentional =) |
| 19:07.41 | SuperAlekZ | jhutchins_lt: shall i just open it via nano? |
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| 19:08.08 | peterS | Titan8990: well, my first debian install was bo, it's hard to keep track of when a given version came out (: |
| 19:09.00 | allure | well... my usb headset works great in everywhere else, except while browsing flash sites =) |
| 19:09.09 | peterS | (and yes, it had libc4 and some a.out binaries, though I believe that was being phased out at the time) |
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| 19:09.24 | allure | I guess I should mention I am on amd64 too.. |
| 19:10.16 | Titan8990 | peterS: I read about it in the debian history guide. don't recall which release was full ELF, it was one of the earlier one if I remember right though |
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| 19:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: I tend to use less to look at logs. less +G /var/log/<file> puts you at the end. |
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| 19:14.34 | jamesstanley | How do I change the group that owns a file if I am not root? |
| 19:14.54 | jelly-home | chgrp? |
| 19:15.04 | greycat | it has to be your file. |
| 19:15.06 | jamesstanley | Operation not permitted |
| 19:15.17 | jamesstanley | greycat: it is |
| 19:15.19 | greycat | if it's not yours, then you need to be root |
| 19:15.31 | jamesstanley | it is my file |
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| 19:15.43 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: and the user has to be a member of that group |
| 19:15.48 | jamesstanley | i am in that group |
| 19:15.50 | allure | I thought sound would work with HTML5 on youtube, but it doesn't either =D |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | it also has to be changing to a group you're a member of |
| 19:15.52 | jamesstanley | and the directory is mine as well |
| 19:15.59 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: does id -a confirm that? |
| 19:16.06 | jamesstanley | ooh |
| 19:16.09 | jamesstanley | do i need to re-login? |
| 19:16.12 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 19:16.15 | jamesstanley | ah, thanks! |
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| 19:17.21 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how to temporarily change your default group? Like normally my files are created in the "james" group, but when I'm doing web stuff I want them to be james:www-data |
| 19:17.37 | jamesstanley | actually that might not be such a good idea |
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| 19:17.39 | jelly-home | newgrp |
| 19:17.39 | greycat | make the parent dir setgid |
| 19:17.46 | jamesstanley | thank you both |
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| 19:18.21 | greycat | newgrp never works right for me, and it took me AGES to figure out why. On the systems where newgrp originated, it's a fuckin' SHELL BUILTIN! |
| 19:18.37 | jamesstanley | ha |
| 19:18.38 | jelly-home | that's funny |
| 19:18.47 | greycat | So, since I changed my shell from /bin/ksh to bash, it never worked the way the man page said. |
| 19:19.10 | jelly-home | greycat: that's SO wasn't a debian system. |
| 19:19.14 | greycat | true. |
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| 19:19.39 | peterS | was "changed my shell from /bin/ksh to bash" the clue? |
| 19:19.42 | jelly-home | it was a probably a proper, licensed unix, not an imitation |
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| 19:20.23 | greycat | Now, the funny part is, the man page for newgrp on a Debian system STILL assumes newgrp is a shell builtin. |
| 19:20.27 | jelly-home | peterS: hey, at least it wasn't /bin/csh by default |
| 19:20.33 | greycat | It says, "The newgrp command is used to change the current group ID during a login session." |
| 19:20.37 | greycat | It can't do that. |
| 19:20.37 | allure | I'm having trouble getting sound on web browsers with usb headset (64 bits kernel)... could anyone give me a hand? |
| 19:21.50 | greycat | allure: does the flash player use OSS or ALSA for the sound interface? |
| 19:21.50 | allure | greycat: how do I check that? |
| 19:21.50 | jelly-home | greycat: fix bash, make it a builtin! |
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| 19:22.31 | allure | greycat: I've added "MODULES=(!snd-pcm-oss)" to /etc/rc.local trying to ensure every software would use alsa, but I'm not sure it worked... |
| 19:22.40 | peterS | greycat: well, it can't change the group ID _of_ the login session, but it does change your default group ID _during_ the session. As in, without having to log out and back in. |
| 19:22.59 | greycat | peterS: only by launching a new shell |
| 19:23.19 | peterS | yes, but in that new shell, you can get your work done |
| 19:23.36 | peterS | you just can't use newgrp in a script or whatever |
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| 19:24.16 | greycat | ot |
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| 19:24.34 | greycat | it's also annoying that newgrp insists on a spelled-out group name instead of a number |
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| 19:25.01 | greycat | but this is consistent with the Unix behavior |
| 19:25.22 | peterS | yeah, 'passwd username' (as root) is the same |
| 19:25.28 | peterS | or indeed 'login username' |
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| 19:26.27 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 19:26.54 | Nebukadneza | i've got a package in "very bad unconsistent state" which i should "reinstall before attempting removal" - however, reinstall wants to remove it, so this isn't going to work |
| 19:26.57 | Nebukadneza | what would i have to do? |
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| 19:31.00 | bzed | Nebukadneza: erstmal die fehlermeldung vom entfernen in ein pastebin werfen und hier verlinken, dann kann dir vielleicht shcon jemand erzaehlen, was du tun kannst/sollst |
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| 19:39.12 | rvsjoen | !de |
| 19:39.12 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:40.50 | bzed | oh ELANG... sorry :) |
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| 19:43.10 | jelly-home | somewhere, Hitler is ranting about ircing in wrong languages |
| 19:43.46 | Nebukadneza | bzed: well, i quoted the nessecarry parts |
| 19:43.48 | beardy | Is there no dmm for sid? |
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| 19:43.55 | Nebukadneza | anyways, i used the bruteforce method ;/ |
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| 19:44.00 | Nebukadneza | dpkg --force-all --purge oO |
| 19:44.00 | dpkg | Nebukadneza: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:44.12 | Nebukadneza | worked ... astonishing enough |
| 19:44.22 | Nebukadneza | Oo what does that bot want from me? i didn't ask a question |
| 19:44.28 | rvsjoen | you said his name |
| 19:44.40 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 19:44.50 | amphi | in vain |
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| 19:47.20 | LuciusMare_ | hi, is there a general tutorial how to create .deb packages? |
| 19:47.30 | Nebukadneza | theres one quite elaborate |
| 19:47.44 | Nebukadneza | www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 19:47.46 | LuciusMare_ | i need really basic stuff :) |
| 19:47.51 | LuciusMare_ | heh |
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| 19:48.03 | Nebukadneza | there's everything in there |
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| 19:48.51 | beardy | Nevermind. |
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| 19:52.38 | LuciusMare_ | and how does one download a .deb package, when i know the package name? |
| 19:53.08 | Snadder | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported |
| 19:53.26 | Snadder | Anyone know how to get kvm working?. I got that error message when I tried installing it. |
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| 19:53.38 | LuciusMare_ | do you have the right arch? |
| 19:53.54 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: in normal operation, aptitude -d install packagename |
| 19:54.09 | hours | hi. does anyone know why the debian.org website is down? |
| 19:54.20 | petemc | its not |
| 19:54.31 | petemc | (from here) |
| 19:54.32 | xyan | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/debian.org |
| 19:54.32 | jelly-home | is with petemc |
| 19:54.34 | LuciusMare_ | jelly-home: and with apt-get only? |
| 19:54.38 | greycat | it's up for me. |
| 19:54.42 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: same thing |
| 19:54.46 | Snadder | LuciusMare_, I got Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 19:54.59 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: aptitude is the preferred tool these days |
| 19:55.04 | LuciusMare_ | jelly-home: i need to be root? |
| 19:55.15 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: doing that, yes |
| 19:55.19 | LuciusMare_ | :( |
| 19:55.26 | LuciusMare_ | any rootless possibility? :) |
| 19:55.30 | jelly-home | !wayttd LuciusMare_ |
| 19:55.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, LuciusMare_? |
| 19:55.42 | LuciusMare_ | in fact, i am trying to exploit my own locked system |
| 19:55.59 | jelly-home | console access can help. |
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| 19:56.15 | LuciusMare_ | i have borked sudoers, and i am going to make a .deb package with postinst script that fixes that |
| 19:56.23 | LuciusMare_ | I have a suid package manager there |
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| 19:56.50 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: use su instead |
| 19:57.05 | LuciusMare_ | su is also prohibited from using |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | why the hell are you going to make a PACKAGE to fix a broken config file? |
| 19:57.13 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: by whom? |
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| 19:57.20 | LuciusMare_ | by... ^-^ |
| 19:57.24 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: is this debian? |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | and how are you going to install the package if you can't use su or sudo? |
| 19:57.31 | LuciusMare_ | debian *based* |
| 19:57.37 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 19:57.37 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 19:57.41 | LuciusMare_ | greycat: 21:56 < LuciusMare_> I have a suid package manager there |
| 19:57.47 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: I think you pre-planned that! |
| 19:57.56 | jelly-home | Titan8990: nah, it came naturally |
| 19:58.05 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: I didn't get passed !ba before it was up hehe |
| 19:58.07 | LuciusMare_ | do not try to understand it, even i have problems |
| 19:58.25 | greycat | LuciusMare_: Ok, no problem. I will not try to understand it. Or anything else. |
| 19:58.29 | jelly-home | Titan8990: "su is prohibited" BIG RED FLAG |
| 19:58.48 | Titan8990 | !xy problems |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | singular. |
| 19:59.20 | peterS | LuciusMare_: unless you have write access to a repository that is already listed in /etc/apt/sources.list, you aren't going to be able to exploit your suid package manager to root your system |
| 19:59.23 | greycat | !xy problem |
| 19:59.23 | dpkg | well, xy problem is that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
| 19:59.40 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 19:59.42 | LuciusMare_ | peterS: the package manager can also install local packages |
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| 20:00.00 | LuciusMare_ | greycat: trust me, this is the *easiest* way to fix it |
| 20:00.03 | peterS | LuciusMare_: not if it's apt |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | LuciusMare_: I don't give a fuck. |
| 20:00.08 | jelly-home | dpkg: forget xy problem |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | i forgot xy problem, jelly-home |
| 20:00.09 | LuciusMare_ | it's not, right :) |
| 20:00.18 | peterS | LuciusMare_: if it isn't apt, then, well, this is #debian and we probably have no idea how to make it do whatever |
| 20:00.20 | jelly-home | dpkg: xy problem is <reply>see xyproblem |
| 20:00.20 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 20:00.32 | LuciusMare_ | peterS: i just asked if i can download a package with apt |
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| 20:01.09 | greycat | dpkg, xyproblem =~ s#http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Xyproblem,#http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem# |
| 20:01.09 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:01.37 | jelly-home | ooh, one less character |
| 20:01.39 | Titan8990 | LuciusMare_: well, ask the apt manpage.. or anywhere but here since you are not running debian |
| 20:01.44 | krisfremen | hmm, what can i use for cli checking of new mail on gmail?? |
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| 20:02.02 | hours | right now i just tried the debian.org and it is down. |
| 20:02.19 | greycat | jelly-home: and fixed the capitalization, and fixed the trailing comma |
| 20:02.23 | jelly-home | hours: which ip address does "debian.org" resolve to, for you? |
| 20:02.24 | hours | i can't even use apt to update |
| 20:03.01 | jelly-home | greycat: I like the sidebar in that other link, it makes more sense than what factoid tries to say. |
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| 20:03.04 | greycat | note that www.debian.org and debian.org aren't exactly the same either |
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| 20:03.11 | jelly-home | also, it has bananas. |
| 20:03.19 | greycat | the factoid's not very concise |
| 20:03.22 | spersaud | whats a good font for gnometerminal / how can I install all fonts ? |
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| 20:03.31 | hours | i use www.debian.org |
| 20:03.53 | SerajewelKS | spersaud: what a good font is depends on how you define good font |
| 20:04.16 | SerajewelKS | spersaud: pick the font you like |
| 20:04.25 | peterS | on a crisp lcd, 'fixed' ftw |
| 20:04.37 | greycat | I think if you had a large enough number of chocolate-covered bananas, you could achieve an economic change. |
| 20:04.37 | spersaud | SerajewelKS: I understand this is highly subjective just asking for opinions |
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| 20:04.51 | SerajewelKS | spersaud: there are 998 people here... do you want 998 opinions? :P |
| 20:04.54 | greycat | Although you're likely to get a stomach ache first. |
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| 20:06.57 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: apt-get has a --print-uris option that will help do what you asked, but seems a very roundabout way of what you want to achieve |
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| 20:07.36 | jelly-home | making a trivial package with a nice small setuid would be quicker |
| 20:07.46 | LuciusMare_ | thanks |
| 20:08.18 | LuciusMare_ | i basically have no idea how to make a small nice trivial package, so i need a dummy one to see how to do it |
| 20:08.19 | jelly-home | (or indeed, a postinst) |
| 20:08.44 | jelly-home | LuciusMare_: you have lots of packages already in /var/cache/apt/archive in all likelihood |
| 20:08.46 | spersaud | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 20:09.00 | LuciusMare_ | jelly-home: heh, right... >_> |
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| 20:10.40 | snabbr | im working on a linux box, and have an issue with S/MIME. anyone have experience with it? |
| 20:11.05 | Titan8990 | snabbr: are you running debian? |
| 20:11.09 | peterS | snabbr: be more specific. we don't know if we can answer your question until you ask it |
| 20:11.11 | snabbr | yea. lenny |
| 20:11.12 | jelly-home | Titan8990: srsly! |
| 20:11.25 | jelly-home | Titan8990: that's not the way you do it. |
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| 20:11.45 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: too direct? |
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| 20:12.24 | snabbr | ok, im encrypting a file with `openssl smime ...` and it looks like im using version 1 of smime. i want to be using 3. and im not sure if there's an upgrade i need to install, or set an option somewhere |
| 20:13.13 | jelly-home | Titan8990: and too soon |
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| 20:13.24 | peterS | snabbr: ahh - more of an openssl question than a debian question. use 'dpkg -l openssl' to see what version of openssl you have, for starters. |
| 20:13.29 | jelly-home | Titan8990: no need to presume malice |
| 20:13.36 | snabbr | 0.9.8 |
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| 20:13.58 | peterS | snabbr: well specifically 0.9.8g, there were some notable changes across the 0.9.8 series |
| 20:14.22 | snabbr | peterS. yes. specifically 0.9.8g-15+lenny6 |
| 20:14.27 | Titan8990 | jelly-home: well, the reason I asked was because of the term "linux box" |
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| 20:14.37 | Titan8990 | snabbr: -des3? |
| 20:14.55 | hours | jelly-home: host dabian.org throws a "server failure" message |
| 20:14.56 | jelly-home | Titan8990: debian is linux! |
| 20:14.57 | snabbr | Titan8990: yes |
| 20:15.10 | jelly-home | hours: even when typed correctly, I presume? |
| 20:15.21 | peterS | ...anyway, as I said, if you can't find your answer here, look for help based on the fact of openssl 0.9.8g rather than based on the fact of debian lenny |
| 20:15.26 | hours | jelly-home yes |
| 20:15.32 | Titan8990 | snabbr: I was asking if that was the option your looking for |
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| 20:15.44 | qbit_ | hola |
| 20:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | hours: Sounds like perhaps you have a DNS problem. |
| 20:15.53 | jelly-home | hours: you seem to either have problems with your dns server, network problems, or incorrectly configured nameserver |
| 20:15.57 | snabbr | Titan8990: I'm using -des3 as an option, yes |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | hours: does "getent hosts google.com" work? |
| 20:16.32 | hours | jhutchins_lt,isnick: this happens only with debian.org |
| 20:16.52 | hours | jelly-home: the getent throws no message |
| 20:17.00 | snabbr | Titan8990: I see that there are some incompatibilities with s/mime v3 and v1. and i would like to use v3. my question, is how to switch over? i dont see a smime package, and i did some googling, and didnt see any patches. read the man page and didnt see anything helpful there either |
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| 20:17.15 | jhutchins_lt | hours: What is your DNS resolution setup? |
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| 20:18.04 | jelly-home | hours: so your dns setup doesn't work at all. |
| 20:18.18 | greycat | hours: check /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:18.27 | jelly-home | almost said "pastebin your resolv.conf" |
| 20:18.28 | hours | why do you assume that it doesn't work at all my DNS setup? |
| 20:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | I just used a bot to resolve debian.org, and it was a bit slow, but locally it did fine. |
| 20:18.36 | krisfremen | are debia repos down? |
| 20:18.48 | greycat | hours: it's not an assumption. you verified it. |
| 20:18.52 | hours | yes for me repos are down also!!! |
| 20:18.52 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Less likely to be nsswitch as fewer things mess with that. |
| 20:18.54 | Titan8990 | snabbr: I would ask #openssl |
| 20:18.55 | madsara | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8631486.stm |
| 20:18.58 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: still worth checking |
| 20:18.59 | krisfremen | ooh, i see |
| 20:19.03 | jelly-home | hours: it is not an assumption, you just confirmed the resolver on your machine cannot resolve "google.com" |
| 20:19.03 | krisfremen | yep, they're down for me |
| 20:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: Not in general, no. |
| 20:19.14 | krisfremen | well ftp.us.debian.org is down |
| 20:19.22 | hours | it can resolve google. but it cannot resolve debian |
| 20:19.24 | greycat | krisfremen: all of them? |
| 20:19.35 | snabbr | Titan8990: thanks, i'll try there |
| 20:19.41 | greycat | 16:16 jelly-home> hours: does "getent hosts google.com" work? |
| 20:19.43 | greycat | 16:16 hours> jelly-home: the getent throws no message |
| 20:19.57 | krisfremen | won't even ping them |
| 20:20.11 | hours | jelly-home: yes getent works for google.com |
| 20:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: Remember ftp.us.debian.org is not an actual host, it is a round-robin DNS alias. |
| 20:20.27 | krisfremen | i know.. but i tried it multiple times |
| 20:20.27 | greycat | krisfremen: I can ping the first IP I tried. |
| 20:20.33 | greycat | krisfremen: which just happened to be 128.30.2.36 |
| 20:20.39 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 20:21.08 | jelly-home | hours: alright, pastebin the outputs of "strace getent hosts google.com" and "strace getent hosts debian.org" |
| 20:21.16 | hours | ok |
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| 20:21.52 | jhutchins_lt | hours: This would happen for instance with a caching system that had lost it's upstream, had google cached but not debian. |
| 20:22.23 | greycat | is strace installed on his system already? |
| 20:23.00 | allure | how to give an user just ftp access? I've putted in /etc/passwd /usr/bin/ftp but it does not work |
| 20:23.24 | greycat | /usr/bin/ftp is the client program. |
| 20:23.37 | greycat | making the client their shell would only allow them to login and get an ftp> prompt |
| 20:23.46 | greycat | that's not what I think you want |
| 20:23.46 | allure | hmmm I see |
| 20:23.49 | allure | nope |
| 20:24.00 | Titan8990 | allure: use something like vsftpd that allows for virtual users |
| 20:24.14 | allure | ok, thank you... I'll try it |
| 20:24.19 | dondelelcaro | allure: if you just want them to have ftp access, you can configure the ftp client to allow login for that user/group, and disallow any normal logins |
| 20:24.28 | dondelelcaro | allure: or use virtual users; depends on what you're doing |
| 20:24.34 | greycat | the more traditional answer is to give them some shell like /usr/bin/true which cannot execute commands, and then tell ftpd that /usr/bin/true is a legitimate shell for FTP users |
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| 20:24.49 | allure | cool |
| 20:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | allure: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
| 20:24.57 | Titan8990 | greycat: is that any different than /usr/sbin/nologin? |
| 20:25.13 | allure | so many answers ;) Thank you all |
| 20:25.17 | greycat | it can be any do-nothing command. |
| 20:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | iirc nologin returns a message. |
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| 20:26.12 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: "This account is currently not available." |
| 20:26.32 | Noble | Suddenly my workstations network stopped working, even restarting them did not work. I restarted the server (which does no gateway/dhcp/dns stuff at *all*) and the workstations became operative again. During this downtime the server spammed the network (or so it seemed), what logs should I check? |
| 20:26.51 | greycat | what does "spammed the network" mean? |
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| 20:27.46 | greycat | you suspect the machine packet-flooded your local area ethernet? |
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| 20:28.06 | Noble | yeah |
| 20:28.07 | Titan8990 | also, what exactly stopped working on the workstations? |
| 20:28.20 | greycat | unless you had some machine looking for network activity during that time frame, there would be no logs to check |
| 20:29.10 | ysph | hi, my terminus oblique font rendering seems screwed up (xfonts-terminus-oblique 4.30-2), i switched away from xft in emacs, which makes it somewhat better, i'd like to know how to fix it though |
| 20:29.18 | linux2 | just have a quick question. Is there any way to set what network device debian will use by default. I am currently connected to the internet through a Sprint data card (ppp). I want to hook up to a local network with 10.10.0.x ips. When I do it seems to want to route all traffic through it, but there is no internet connection through it. How can I set it to use the other device? |
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| 20:29.34 | Noble | I seriously have no idea what happend. Was browsing the web, and firefox started hanging. One by one all of my apps froze. I killed X, and remounted /home from the server, and all hell broke loose. |
| 20:29.36 | rvsjoen | linux2: ip route |
| 20:30.23 | Titan8990 | linux2: likely the dhcp client is creating a default route which is causing this. see rvsjoen's suggestion or plain "route" |
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| 20:30.38 | SerajewelKS | linux2: also, fix your DHCP server so that it doesn't advertise a default route |
| 20:30.59 | linux2 | Titan8990 and rvsjoen, thanks. I'm looking into it now. at least I'm on the right track now. |
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| 20:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | linux2: Not sure what the setup procedure is, depends on whether you're using gui or console, but basically you want to define your default gateway as being the wireless and define the wired connection as LAN gateway only. This is done in the routing table, by what is up to you. |
| 20:31.30 | SerajewelKS | linux2: assuming a pure-dhcp-client setup, you'll only get whatever routes the server tells it to add |
| 20:32.18 | linux2 | ok cool. I tend to use a console for setting up stuff. So I'll fiddle with it. hopefully I'll be able to figure it out. |
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| 20:38.24 | blueVenom | can anyone help me with a cisco aironet 340 pcmcia card? |
| 20:38.56 | Titan8990 | didn't we discuss that a couple weeks ago? |
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| 20:41.05 | tpocra | Are the decryption keys for dm-crypt encrypted logical volumes ever stored in swap in addition to RAM? I need to figure out if I should encrypt the swap space of my host OS in order for the encrypted guests to stay safe. |
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| 20:43.17 | jamon | tpocra: if you hibernate, yep |
| 20:43.34 | jamon | best to encrypt swap, with a different passphrase |
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| 20:44.05 | tpocra | jamon: Well, this Debian install is going to be extremely minimal. |
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| 20:44.18 | tpocra | It is just designed to run sshd and Xen for being a host OS |
| 20:44.33 | tpocra | Do I even need swap for it? |
| 20:44.37 | tpocra | My machine has 8GB of RAM |
| 20:45.04 | tpocra | I guess it is a matter of Xen and wether or not Xen domUs do stuff that would require the host OS dom0 to use swap... |
| 20:45.06 | jamon | tpocra: well swap+xen, not good idea |
| 20:45.43 | jamon | why are you encrypting things at all tpocra? is there a particular threat/attack you are trying to mitigate against? |
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| 20:48.13 | tpocra | jamon: In case of seizure of the machine or disks within it, I want the guest operating systems and data store to be unreadable without first decrypting. |
| 20:50.01 | ethanol | hi guys. is iwatch still the recommended tool for monitoring file/directory changes? |
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| 20:52.39 | dondelelcaro | ethanol: or anything else that uses the kernel inotify support |
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| 20:53.53 | SerajewelKS | polling ftw! |
| 20:54.17 | linux2 | humm, I'm trying to use the route command to set the default route to be through the device ppp0, but it won't accept it. Here is what I have: 68.28.113.85 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 20:54.17 | linux2 | default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 20:54.26 | linux2 | oh hang on, let me pastebin that |
| 20:55.49 | linux2 | http://pastebin.com/XZDPqdiD |
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| 20:56.26 | SerajewelKS | linux2: delete the one default route and add the other back? |
| 20:57.19 | linux2 | SerajewelKS, so, route delete default and then route add default gw * ppp0? |
| 20:57.38 | SerajewelKS | linux2: basically, except also use the correct syntax |
| 20:58.00 | linux2 | SerajewelKS, oh, of course |
| 20:58.10 | linux2 | well lets see if it wants to work, brb |
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| 20:59.46 | linux2 | ok, I think it worked |
| 21:00.09 | SerajewelKS | if your routing table looks right, then it worked :) |
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| 21:00.34 | SerajewelKS | but seriously, if your LAN doesn't have a working gateway then you should really fix your DHCP server |
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| 21:01.12 | linux2 | SerajewelKS, yeah... it's just an old home network. I'm just using it to access this old nfs server I have. Want to get some of my backed up files. |
| 21:01.28 | SerajewelKS | i see |
| 21:01.55 | linux2 | SerajewelKS, that route tool is rather handy. thanks for the help. |
| 21:02.01 | SerajewelKS | linux2: np |
| 21:02.14 | linux2 | it's amazing that all these years i have been using linux I have never had to use it. |
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| 21:02.26 | SerajewelKS | usually your dhcp servers push working routes to you :) |
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| 21:02.46 | linux2 | haha, leave it to me to have that setup incorrectly |
| 21:03.02 | SerajewelKS | is the server dnsmasq by any chance? |
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| 21:04.02 | linux2 | no, it isn't |
| 21:04.34 | SerajewelKS | ah ok. it's what i use for dhcp and dns proxying. by default it will advertise a default route through the computer it runs on (if you enable dhcp, that is). you have to specifically turn that off. |
| 21:05.02 | SerajewelKS | or, in my case, point it at the real gateway, since i run it on another box |
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| 21:05.33 | linux2 | oh ok. I wonder why my NFS server is being so slow to respond |
| 21:05.51 | linux2 | SerajewelKS, it is taking forever to respond to mount commands |
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| 21:06.40 | SerajewelKS | sorry, can't help you with that. don't use nfs. |
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| 21:06.59 | linux2 | oh well there it goes. I think the server has seen better days |
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| 21:17.19 | allure | !root |
| 21:17.19 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 21:30.25 | mayfairman | valdyn: not sure if you are still interested, but to fix my lirc issue I reinstalled then used the purge flag to remove all and put LIRC back in, all is now good in the hood. Thanks. |
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| 21:33.49 | pheaver | trying to reload partition table at runtime with "blockdev --rereadpt" or "sfdisk -R". I'm getting "Device or resource busy" even though none of its partitions are mounted. What could possibly be using it? |
| 21:34.17 | pheaver | (also checked that none of its partitions are being used as swap) |
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| 21:37.11 | needle | heya, is there a tool for shell in debian to view all started services? |
| 21:37.28 | needle | smthg, like rc-status in gentoo if someone knows it |
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| 21:39.15 | PinkFreud | needle: 'ps' :) |
| 21:39.29 | needle | PinkFreud: yeah or netstat -tulpen too |
| 21:39.42 | needle | i thought more about smthg debian like |
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| 21:40.07 | needle | PinkFreud: in case you don't know if a service is started ps does not help you |
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| 21:40.25 | PinkFreud | needle: it does if you're looking for a specific service :) |
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| 21:41.08 | PinkFreud | but no, services started by the SysV init system do not write information to a specific place to indicate that they're started. |
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| 21:41.27 | nkuttler | oh noes. tetex not installable in sid.. |
| 21:42.45 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: you want texlive |
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| 21:44.06 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: thanks! haven't used any latex in years. |
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| 21:47.17 | needle | PinkFreud: or you could use nmap localhost too, but netstat is much quicker. Howerver this approach only shows if ports are open and in the listening state, and does not show that a particular service is installed but f.e. not started |
| 21:47.20 | Argafal | not really debian specific. :-/ i just dropped my external harddrive during cp. cp finished, no error messages anywhere. i connected it now to another machine to copy all contents, as well no error messages (dmesg, konsole, cp). Do you think the data should be still ok or is the absence of errors no sure sign? |
| 21:47.37 | Argafal | yes, in principle there is a backup from a few days ago. |
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| 21:48.39 | d3x | Argafal, i think there would be crc errors if the disk got damaged in any way |
| 21:48.50 | d3x | but i'm not 100% sure :) |
| 21:49.12 | PinkFreud | needle: also keep in mind that netstat and nmap will only show you services which actively listen on ports. there are any number of services which do not, using, say, a fifo instead. |
| 21:49.33 | Argafal | d3x: well, i heard sounds i THINK i'm not supposed to hear. but that could be just me listening concentrated, you know it all sounds differently when you do. |
| 21:49.35 | PinkFreud | needle: in any case, ps will always show those. :) |
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| 21:50.00 | Argafal | d3x: that's what i thought too, i should see checksum errors. any one else has an opinion on that? |
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| 21:51.07 | PinkFreud | Argafal: not so much checksum errors. You're liable to see dtimeouts on reads and writes, and possibly unreadable sectors. |
| 21:51.21 | PinkFreud | If you're able to read the data you copied with no problems, the disk is probably fine. |
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| 21:52.40 | Argafal | PinkFreud: "read with no problems" refers to md5summing the data or refers to just "no error msg"? |
| 21:53.22 | Argafal | how can i query SMART on usb drives? |
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| 21:54.14 | frewsxcv-work | what should my /etc/apt/sources.list look like if i want to use testing? |
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| 21:54.40 | Vasistha | frewsxcv-work: it should say testing (or squeeze) instead of stable (or lenny) |
| 21:54.43 | \amethyst | Argafal: if smartctl doesn't work, the controller in the enclosure probably doesn't support it |
| 21:54.56 | \amethyst | Argafal: if that's the case, you could pull the drive out and plug it in internally |
| 21:54.57 | Vasistha | frewsxcv-work: if you want to pastebin yours, we can recommend corrections |
| 21:55.17 | PinkFreud | Argafal: 'read with no problems' means reading the data, period. cat, cp, md5sum, etc. |
| 21:55.29 | frewsxcv-work | Vasistha: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/717303 |
| 21:55.39 | Argafal | \amethyst: i haven't tried smartctl yet, it's still copying. just planning my next moves. :) |
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| 21:55.55 | \amethyst | Argafal: you can run smartctl while it's copying |
| 21:56.10 | PinkFreud | Argafal: as far as querying SMART on usb drives goes, you probably can't. Most usb drive controllers lack SMART support, thoguh there are a few which do support SMART passthrough. |
| 21:56.13 | PinkFreud | er, though |
| 21:56.16 | \amethyst | Argafal: I wouldn't do a self-test while it's copying, but you can at least check the status |
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| 21:56.41 | frewsxcv-work | Vasistha: does that look right? it's causing some errors |
| 21:56.43 | Vasistha | just remove the two stable lines and you're set |
| 21:56.58 | PinkFreud | Argafal: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/FAQ#SmartmontoolsforFireWireUSBandSATAdiskssystems |
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| 21:57.13 | Vasistha | frewsxcv-work: also you'll need to do a proper full-upgrade or whatever it is. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:57.41 | PinkFreud | Argafal: chances are, you'll need to remove the drive from the enclosure and connect it directly to read SMART status |
| 21:57.52 | frewsxcv-work | Vasistha: how do you do a proper full upgrade? |
| 21:57.56 | Argafal | "Error Counter Logging not supported" |
| 21:58.03 | Vasistha | frewsxcv-work: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:58.04 | Argafal | PinkFreud: not sure if that will be possible :-/ |
| 21:58.14 | Argafal | PinkFreud: it looks like that requires breaking it. |
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| 21:59.06 | Argafal | PinkFreud: if i'm sure i'll see inconsistent data from a headscratch in error msgs upon reading/writing i will just keep on using it, all my data is backed up. a real problem would be broken data WITHOUT error msgs. |
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| 21:59.54 | PinkFreud | Argafal: also check http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices |
| 22:00.03 | Argafal | PinkFreud: thank you! |
| 22:00.14 | PinkFreud | if you're using a recent enough version of smartmontools and a supported external drive, you may be able to query it's status |
| 22:00.26 | PinkFreud | no problem, and good luck |
| 22:00.31 | Argafal | ok, the sound is definitely not sane. |
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| 22:00.39 | Argafal | hearing an aweful clickclack. |
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| 22:02.54 | Argafal | is there a way to make md5sums over directories? |
| 22:03.16 | Argafal | probably ignoring the userid/groupid/permissions |
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| 22:06.43 | PinkFreud | find directory -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |
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| 22:07.47 | Argafal | PinkFreud: thanks again |
| 22:07.53 | PinkFreud | np |
| 22:08.44 | salvin | PinkFreud: find directory -type f -exec 'md5sum {}' |
| 22:09.42 | PinkFreud | salvin: sure, that works too, but it'll execute md5sum once for every file. xargs will pass multiple filename args to md5sum, up to a maximum limit before executing it again. |
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| 22:12.21 | salvin | PinkFreud: touchè :) |
| 22:12.46 | themill | salvin: also missing ;. You might want to look at + instead. |
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| 22:13.27 | salvin | themill: it was an example |
| 22:13.30 | PinkFreud | salvin: as you've just found out, xargs typically has the benefit of easier use, too. :P |
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| 22:13.33 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 22:13.41 | themill | examples are supposed to work |
| 22:14.45 | themill | (and you also don't want the quotes there) |
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| 22:17.29 | jelly-home | \_o< \_o< |
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| 22:18.09 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: you leave my duck out of this. :) |
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| 22:21.43 | PinkFreud | themill: ... root's address belongs to the CCC in Germany. You're right - he *should* know better. |
| 22:21.58 | amphi | heh |
| 22:22.07 | themill | CCC? |
| 22:22.15 | PinkFreud | Chaos Computer Club |
| 22:22.28 | themill | Critical Coagulation Concentration? Or should I leave my work at work. |
| 22:22.35 | allure | anyone have a hint why I can't get sound on web brosers with usb headphones? |
| 22:22.45 | PinkFreud | themill: yes, please leave that at work. :) |
| 22:22.52 | themill | :) |
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| 22:42.55 | frewsxcv-work | hal fails to start for me, any ideas? Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. |
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| 22:47.11 | frewsxcv-work | does debian testing not use hal anymore? |
| 22:48.07 | cheako | Hello, is there a way I can have grub(or rather update-grub) dual boot two(or more) root partitions? Say I wanted Ubuntu, Sid, and Lenny? |
| 22:48.31 | cheako | frewsxcv-work: I think the plan was to migrate to udev completely. |
| 22:49.23 | frewsxcv-work | cheako: so if i have udev running and installed, do i need hal anymore? |
| 22:50.24 | cheako | frewsxcv-work: correct, I'm not sure if udev will be configured as a drop in replacement for hal, but anything that uses hal should convert to using udev. |
| 22:52.33 | frewsxcv-work | cheako: so that means my desktop environmnet lxde will be uninstalled? |
| 22:53.09 | cheako | frewsxcv-work: That's why they call it testing ;) |
| 22:53.41 | cheako | frewsxcv-work: You will need to file a bugreport to get the package rebuilt to recommend(instead of depend) on udev. |
| 22:53.56 | frewsxcv-work | cheako: do you know of any desktop environments that work with udev that are lightweight? |
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| 22:54.52 | cheako | I use sawfish, but then I load gnome. You can also use ratposion or twm. |
| 22:55.11 | cheako | There is windowmaker, I'd try and see if you like that. |
| 22:55.31 | themill | cheako: hal isn't going away any time soon |
| 22:55.53 | cheako | There is also that fvwm and several variants(like lxde if I'm not mistaken). |
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| 22:56.37 | frewsxcv-work | themill: why do you say that? |
| 22:57.17 | themill | because it's still used by a lot of stuff? and will continue to be in the future (modulo renames to "devicekit" usw) |
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| 23:01.25 | jelly-home | some parts of devicekit have already been renamed further |
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| 23:05.00 | cheako | So, what frews asked was how to keep lxde installed while hal has apparently dissipered in testing. |
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| 23:06.15 | cheako | What I asked was how to get update-grub to expose two or more linux roots in grub.cfg? |
| 23:06.42 | d3x | erm.. hal still sits in testing |
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| 23:08.40 | cheako | d3x: Perhaps there is some dependency chain kicking it out of the installed pkg list? |
| 23:09.24 | g00se | My first experience with SD cards. Are they meant to end up in /dev/sd* |
| 23:09.39 | d3x | g00se, most likely |
| 23:10.12 | d3x | cheako, perhaps... i don't see your system :) |
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| 23:11.47 | PinkFreud | g00se: /dev/sd* are drives which use the scsi subsystem |
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| 23:12.21 | wols_ | PinkFreud: a long time ago |
| 23:12.34 | PinkFreud | g00se: this includes sata and usb drives, and also possibly ata drives. |
| 23:12.41 | g00se | PinkFreud: Yes. Is that what would normally access SD cards? |
| 23:12.46 | d3x | PinkFreud, there is big chance sd card reader will end up as /dev/sd? |
| 23:12.51 | PinkFreud | wols_: it's still the scsi subsystem, though it's scope has expanded slightly :) |
| 23:13.03 | PinkFreud | d3x: yep, typically that's correct. |
| 23:13.11 | wols_ | d3x: there is no chance, only certainty |
| 23:13.29 | g00se | I think my system isn't quite making it. There's only a PCI id: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420102/ |
| 23:13.30 | d3x | [it wasn't question, it was bash-like question mark :P] |
| 23:13.41 | wols_ | all blockdevices use sdX |
| 23:13.48 | PinkFreud | g00se: is there an sd card in the reader? |
| 23:13.51 | d3x | wols_, well... should I prepare example to prevent it ending up as /dev/sdX? |
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| 23:13.55 | liquid | could anybody here tell me, how to compare two md5 string containing files which look like file_a: id:hash:salt file_b: hash:salt:plaintext and get sed to replace hash:salt from file a with plaintext from file b (i just started using sed so i'm not that familiar using it yet) |
| 23:14.05 | g00se | PinkFreud: Well, i stuck one in ;) |
| 23:14.23 | PinkFreud | g00se: check dmesg. it should show up in there. |
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| 23:14.43 | PinkFreud | g00se: you can also look at /dev/disk/by-id/usb* |
| 23:14.45 | g00se | PinkFreud: ^^ |
| 23:14.52 | d3x | g00se, i assume you _have_ inserted card into reader? |
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| 23:16.00 | g00se | d3x: I'll just go and take it out and put it in again while tail -f /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:17.03 | d3x | hmm... your reader can also be unsupported |
| 23:17.16 | d3x | but this is highly unlikely i think |
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| 23:21.15 | g00se | Same thing has happened again by the looks |
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| 23:23.47 | Vasistha | liquid: imo the easiest way would be to make a copy of file_b that is a sed script itself (making the necessary conversions), and run it with sed -f |
| 23:24.21 | SerajewelKS | liquid: or use perl. it's well suited for tearing apart text and doing non-trivial transformations on it. |
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| 23:25.46 | liquid | unfortunately i dont know perl yet, but i'll try to stick with Vasistha's suggestion for now, thanks to both of you |
| 23:25.57 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 23:39.25 | g00se | It works, just had to mount it from /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
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| 23:49.03 | apt_get | How can I resize a screen in my X to only use 40% of my all screen? This because my mom broked my laptop... and only parts of LCD can be use! |
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| 23:49.59 | tarkaram | I have a wireless USB that I use to connect my debian machine to a wireless router. I have to do 'dhclient ra0' each time I plug in the USB |
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| 23:50.29 | tarkaram | is there a way for the ra0 interface to run dhcp automatically when the device is plugged in |
| 23:50.41 | cheako | I*s the G00se here? Looking for my bottle of Gray Goose. |
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| 23:51.22 | tarkaram | I dont have an entry for ra0 in /etc/network/interfaces.. I filled in a *.dat file its uploaded to /etc/wireless/xxx directory. |
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| 23:52.44 | baba_bubba | watch out for moms, they can be dangerous ;) |
| 23:54.56 | d3x | tarkaram, considered using networkmanager? |
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| 23:55.22 | d3x | apt_get, lol, quote of the month! :D |
| 23:56.09 | apt_get | ehehehhe |
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| 23:58.59 | d3x | apt_get, and sorry for your laptop... |
| 23:59.44 | d3x | apt_get, there is a way to have virtual screen size in X, but i don't know if it's possible to make it smaller than the real screen... only seen it used for extending screen estate |