| 00:00.14 | apt_get | hmm |
| 00:00.25 | apt_get | i have do this tip some day |
| 00:00.30 | apt_get | but not know how |
| 00:00.46 | apt_get | only a small screen like 320xsomething appears upside |
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| 00:01.07 | cheako | apt_get: xrandr should be able to do this 4 you. |
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| 00:02.09 | apt_get | okay |
| 00:03.30 | tarkaram | d3x: Havent used network manager. I just invoked it and it doesnt seem to see any of the wireless networks |
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| 00:04.06 | DASPRiD | i want to create a partition with the size of 10.92 TB, but gparted gives me the following error: partition length of 23441582052 sectors exceeds the msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295 |
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| 00:04.43 | DASPRiD | is there a known solution about that? |
| 00:07.03 | d3x | DASPRiD, change sector size? |
| 00:07.27 | DASPRiD | d3x, nevermind, friend told me to change partition table to gpt, worked |
| 00:07.30 | PinkFreud | or don't use a dos partition table |
| 00:07.36 | PinkFreud | heh |
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| 00:08.12 | ysph | if i start my laptop with VGA connected, and the framebuffer appears on VGA, how to i switch the framebuffer to LVDS after disconnecting VGA? |
| 00:08.41 | d3x | oh, yes, there was info on msdos-partition-table ;) it got wrapped to second line |
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| 00:11.23 | maxg2 | Hey guys, quick question. I have a Debian box running Squid server. Everything was working fine, until all connections from started timing out. I SSHed into server, tried to ping some sites. Which I found odd, that out of 4 sites I tried to ping, my box pinged successfully only one site |
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| 00:11.38 | maxg2 | what the hell is wrong here? Tried rebooting, didn't help |
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| 00:18.55 | Vasistha | maxg2: I'd check for DNS errors and then check ISP connectivity |
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| 00:20.30 | maxg2 | Vasistha: how can I do that? I have BIND installed |
| 00:21.29 | Vasistha | maxg2: I know nothing of bind and all this other stuff, I just know that my home internet connection sometimes has trouble, and this is what I check for. If you can't ping a site by name, see if you can ping it by IP address; that will let you know if there is DNS trouble. |
| 00:22.10 | maxg2 | from my debian box or from my home pc? |
| 00:22.27 | Vasistha | maxg2: from the machine that is having trouble of course |
| 00:22.43 | nsadmin | maxg2, do you have resolvconf installe? |
| 00:22.44 | nsadmin | d |
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| 00:23.42 | maxg2 | nsadmin: nope, don't think so |
| 00:23.59 | maxg2 | just tried pinging google's ip from my debian server, didn't work |
| 00:24.05 | maxg2 | but how the hell is it possible |
| 00:24.14 | maxg2 | that I am connected to it via SSH right now? |
| 00:25.04 | Vasistha | maxg2: well if you can't ping google's ip address then perhaps your WAN connection is having trouble |
| 00:25.19 | Vasistha | maxg2: or perhaps your machine is having some sort of strange routing trouble, I suppose |
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| 00:25.49 | nsadmin | what do you mean exactly "didn;'t work" |
| 00:26.51 | maxg2 | no packets received |
| 00:27.31 | Vasistha | so you did not get an error about "network connection not available" |
| 00:27.55 | maxg2 | nope |
| 00:27.57 | maxg2 | --- 72.14.221.104 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8999ms |
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| 00:31.52 | nsadmin | ok, so "doesn't work" == connectivity failure |
| 00:31.54 | Tommy_DO | Whats the common way to use nvidia graphics drivers in sid? |
| 00:32.27 | Tommy_DO | because... nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 is way too old for current kernels in sid |
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| 00:33.27 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 00:33.27 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 00:33.44 | maxg2 | nsadmin, Vasistha, what should I do? |
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| 00:34.41 | apt_get | cheako: set in xorg.conf modes and virtual, dont let me have a virtual screen less then the master mode |
| 00:35.05 | apt_get | and I dont have sucess with xrandr |
| 00:35.58 | cheako | no idea |
| 00:36.32 | cheako | You could make a gnome panel there. |
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| 00:37.34 | nsadmin | maxg2: been working on stuff here... need to get a pic of your net setup... you have an internal NAT a router and an outside connection? |
| 00:37.51 | maxg2 | it's a VPS |
| 00:38.00 | nsadmin | a remote? |
| 00:38.04 | cheako | There also might be some way to do something with compiz, but I wouldn't expect that to be easy. |
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| 00:39.13 | cheako | I really makes me wonder, we have ways to avoid using broken ranges of physical memory... so why not parts of the display or keyboard. How would one deal with a dysfunctional mouse? |
| 00:39.19 | Tommy_DO | Vasistha: I wouldn't ask if I were not confused. I know the nvidia wiki article, but it does not provide information that helps me. |
| 00:40.35 | Tommy_DO | There is a package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-4-amd64 shown on packages.debian.org, but it is filed as i386 (I need amd64, nevertheless). The deb is also available in i386 only. So whats the deal? |
| 00:40.39 | maxg2 | nsadmin: yes |
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| 00:41.06 | Vasistha | I don't even know as much as is in the factoid |
| 00:41.21 | cheako | dosen't gmail have an http interface? I can't use SSL on this device. |
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| 00:43.32 | Vasistha | cheako: I don't know if they'll let you log in without ssl |
| 00:44.34 | nsadmin | maxg2: and the server cannot ping outward? |
| 00:44.47 | maxg2 | nsadmin: correct |
| 00:44.54 | nsadmin | can you ping it? |
| 00:44.57 | cheako | They should :P With the ever advancements in portable devices there are bound to be cases were SSL will suck too much power. |
| 00:45.14 | maxg2 | nsadmin: yes and I can SSH into it |
| 00:45.30 | nsadmin | ok, so that's not so bad, at least you can contact it |
| 00:45.38 | nsadmin | what's the problem exactly? |
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| 00:46.01 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the vserver? |
| 00:46.12 | maxg2 | it's a squid proxy server |
| 00:46.15 | SerajewelKS | cheako: i think login requires ssl, but not beyond that (if you haven't enabled that requirement yourself in gmail's settings) |
| 00:46.31 | maxg2 | nsadmin: |
| 00:46.32 | maxg2 | lol |
| 00:46.37 | maxg2 | it started working |
| 00:46.37 | Vasistha | cheako: yeah, the idea is, use ssl to log in and then go insecure after the login step. |
| 00:46.46 | maxg2 | I don't know what the hell was this thing all about |
| 00:47.12 | cheako | I get 107 (net::ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR) |
| 00:47.27 | maxg2 | thanks everyone! I'm out |
| 00:47.28 | cheako | I checked the date and it's correct. |
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| 01:05.55 | garotosopa | What command line program do you suggest to retag a MP3 file? |
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| 01:08.29 | Titan8990 | garotosopa: they are called id3 tags. try searching for them |
| 01:10.22 | Vasistha | garotosopa: id3v2, a command line id3v2 tag editor |
| 01:15.51 | peterrooney | garotosopa: id3ed |
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| 01:16.15 | peterrooney | garotosopa: has an interactive mode, and scripts well. |
| 01:16.32 | garotosopa | Titan8990: Vasisha: peterrooney: Thank you! |
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| 02:09.18 | mIrKaT | hello |
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| 02:10.08 | mIrKaT | how do i get to vote on the debian CEO ? |
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| 02:10.34 | liable | the supreme leader has already been voted in :) |
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| 02:25.27 | simonrvn | there's no ceo |
| 02:25.45 | simonrvn | and regular users don't get a vote |
| 02:26.03 | Openfree` | how to reconfigure my keymap, what's the command? |
| 02:26.39 | simonrvn | depends |
| 02:27.21 | simonrvn | !keymap |
| 02:27.21 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 02:54.19 | lotus | hey I have a broken package in apt. I run apt-get purge package-name and it goes (I edited /var/lib/apt/info/unrar-free.prerm and added "exit 0" on the line follwing set -e) but I can't reinstall the package. |
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| 02:58.24 | fubada | hi. i need to know the easiest, quickest way to set up mta for my webservers to send user welcome emails, no incoming mail, someone got a handy guide |
| 02:58.39 | fubada | only smtp, |
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| 02:59.15 | dkr | fubada: welcome to what? |
| 02:59.27 | fubada | this particular site |
| 02:59.41 | fubada | its not up yet |
| 02:59.46 | \amethyst | fubada: do you have a mail hub to send through, or will the server be sending directly to the user's email provider |
| 02:59.50 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 02:59.58 | fubada | directly |
| 03:00.20 | fubada | directly with no incoming port 25 |
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| 03:01.11 | sophacles | has anyone ever had to get a script using sed -i (and no backup file) to be happy with bsd sed and gnu sed? |
| 03:01.53 | \amethyst | fubada: install exim4 (it's probably already there), and when configuring it select "internet site" |
| 03:02.16 | \amethyst | fubada: when it asks for IP addresses to listen on, enter only 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:02.23 | fubada | cool |
| 03:02.27 | \amethyst | fubada: and take the defaults for everything else |
| 03:02.37 | fubada | thanks. for that |
| 03:02.41 | \amethyst | fubada: well, maybe you want to change the mail name too |
| 03:02.45 | fubada | i will want to send it as @mydomain,com |
| 03:02.46 | \amethyst | (part of the config) |
| 03:02.55 | fubada | alright |
| 03:03.00 | fubada | thanks this refreshes my memory |
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| 03:03.43 | e6nian | hey guys,I can't find my iptables configure file on debian |
| 03:03.55 | e6nian | where could I get this file.. |
| 03:04.20 | \amethyst | fubada: if it's already installed and you need to reconfigure, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 03:06.23 | e6nian | I've search by google |
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| 03:07.11 | fubada | thanks \amethyst |
| 03:11.21 | pheaver | if i don't have access to /boot, is there another way to query the kernel and find out what config it was built with? |
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| 03:13.20 | fas3r | with bind i need to update the serial when i modify a zone or all time before i restart it ? |
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| 03:18.26 | SerajewelKS | fas3r: just when you modify the zone |
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| 03:18.51 | fas3r | SerajewelKS, ok thank |
| 03:18.56 | SerajewelKS | fas3r: the serial is a sort of version stamp on the zone content. if the content hasn't changed, the serial shouldn't either. |
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| 03:19.14 | SerajewelKS | fas3r: not that changing the serial will do anything bad per se, but it may cause some servers to discard their caches when they don't need to. |
| 03:19.17 | fas3r | ok it's for the propagation between the master and the slave .. |
| 03:19.20 | fas3r | something like that |
| 03:19.25 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 03:19.29 | fas3r | oki |
| 03:19.39 | fas3r | thank :) |
| 03:19.41 | SerajewelKS | if there are no changes to propagate... well... no serial change is necessary :) |
| 03:19.41 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 03:23.45 | mIrKaT | i ear new debian is coming out soon |
| 03:23.54 | mIrKaT | is this true ? |
| 03:24.13 | mIrKaT | after ubuntu noobs flagged all the bugs |
| 03:24.55 | mIrKaT | i use debian ever since sarge |
| 03:25.06 | mIrKaT | its the best OS e |
| 03:26.46 | mIrKaT | and all irc logs are on the web that says alot about debian openess |
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| 03:27.58 | mIrKaT | you can even peep irc with out ever being loged into it |
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| 03:28.06 | mIrKaT | sweel |
| 03:29.40 | mIrKaT | this logs are nice i might open debian chanell on other irc network and past the logs into it and it really feels like its the real debia channel |
| 03:30.26 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol |
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| 03:31.47 | fas3r | what's SPF ? |
| 03:31.51 | blueVenom | okay...so i installed lenny a couple weeks ago...and the most recent version of open office i can find is 2.4...i have deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free in my sources.lst...any reason i can't get 3? |
| 03:32.21 | adb | , versions openoffice |
| 03:32.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openoffice' was found. |
| 03:33.02 | adb | , versions openoffice.org |
| 03:33.03 | blueVenom | openoffice.org |
| 03:33.04 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-8 |
| 03:33.36 | fas3r | openspf |
| 03:34.05 | adb | !SPF |
| 03:34.06 | dpkg | [spf] the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From) is an e-mail validation system to prevent <spam>. http://www.openspf.org/ #spf on irc.perl.org. |
| 03:34.54 | adb | blueVenom, add backports to your sources.list |
| 03:35.05 | blueVenom | what's the source for backports? |
| 03:35.10 | adb | lenny-backports* |
| 03:35.27 | adb | !lenny-backports |
| 03:35.27 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 03:35.30 | blueVenom | # deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:35.35 | blueVenom | ? |
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| 03:39.10 | freaky[t] | hi all i got a question. should i install tripwire and tiger on a dedicated server? (running debian lenny) ? |
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| 03:46.40 | rektide | having trouble writing a udev rule |
| 03:46.46 | rektide | the rule seems like its simple enough |
| 03:46.47 | rektide | http://pastebin.com/Uz5qaHEK |
| 03:47.05 | rektide | that has the attribute walk for the device, and the rule i am trying to write |
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| 03:59.36 | ehc | my / partition is 100% full, is there a way to see what is filling it up? |
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| 04:01.14 | Vasistha | ehc: du, or xdu, or in konqueror FSView from the konqueror-plugins package |
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| 04:03.11 | ehc | Vasistha: from a partition level, / is completely full, but I'm not sure what besides /var is actually located on the / partition |
| 04:03.38 | Kerie | this is my first time to freenode |
| 04:03.51 | ehc | everything is mounted past /, but only /var and others are filling it up, du -sh / shows misleading info |
| 04:04.04 | Vasistha | ehc: oh yes, that's right, those tools are all going to look at other mounted partitions as well. So run 'mount' to see what things are mounted where. |
| 04:05.02 | Vasistha | ehc: yeah, so you'll have to e.g. du -sh /var /usr /tmp |
| 04:05.15 | ysph | will my xmodmap settings be affected by changing to a custom keymap? |
| 04:05.27 | ehc | mount shows some stuff, but i don't really see anything saying /var is on / |
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| 04:05.38 | Vasistha | ysph: yeah, you'll have to rerun xmodmap |
| 04:05.39 | ehc | ok, i'll check /var /usr /tmp |
| 04:06.08 | Vasistha | ehc: mount will show you all the things that are *not* on / |
| 04:06.12 | ysph | Vasistha: will i have to rewrite my keysyms? |
| 04:06.23 | ehc | wait, /usr and /tmp i manually set on different partitions (i see them in mount) |
| 04:06.23 | Vasistha | ysph: uh, I think so? |
| 04:06.36 | Vasistha | ehc: what about /home ? |
| 04:06.58 | ehc | Vasistha: /home is also separate. |
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| 04:07.08 | Vasistha | ehc: the most common culprits for eating disk space are /home /usr /var /tmp |
| 04:07.43 | Vasistha | ehc: yeah, so do a du on /var, that's probably it |
| 04:08.38 | ehc | du -sh /var shows only 288M being used. but in KDiskFree, I see / at 100% full and max size of 4.7GB |
| 04:09.01 | ysph | Vasistha: answer is yes, i finally figured out how to use keymap to emulate my xmodmap, and now my xmodmap is mirrored, but it's an easy fix |
| 04:09.20 | Vasistha | ehc: well, better check the other directories, then. /lib /opt /etc I guess would be next |
| 04:09.36 | ehc | Vasistha: ok, i'll look. |
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| 04:11.49 | Vasistha | ehc: another thing that could have happened is this: if e.g. you had /usr previously on /, and then you moved it to its own partition, but did not delete the files from the old /usr, then those files will still be taking up space although they are not accessible because the mounted /usr partition hides them. |
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| 04:12.56 | ehc | Vasistha: looks like I found it. there are some mystery dirs in /media. they are named after my external hard drive and flash media, but I've removed the external media and these dirs are still around |
| 04:13.03 | ehc | like phantom directories |
| 04:14.13 | ehc | Vasistha: I think I figured it out. |
| 04:14.30 | Vasistha | odd |
| 04:14.44 | Vasistha | did you properly umount? |
| 04:15.32 | ehc | Vasistha: I had a backup program running in the background with sudo's cron, and my external devices weren't mounted, but it was backing up to where they should have been mounted, and because it was root, it created the directory |
| 04:16.01 | Vasistha | hah |
| 04:16.02 | ysph | Vasistha: i take it back, it doesn't seem to affect my xmodmap, although rerunning my xmodmap in the same session did have undesirable results |
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| 04:17.10 | ysph | i thought that x would be aware of the keymap, but it doesn't seem to be |
| 04:17.57 | ysph | i wonder if it's that i ran loadkeys from a tty, maybe it won't be picked up by X until i reboot and the /etc/console keymap is loaded |
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| 04:18.19 | coops89 | http://pastebin.com/Nrh41Huv |
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| 04:18.41 | coops89 | getting this every time I run apt-get upgrade |
| 04:19.11 | coops89 | a gazillion of them |
| 04:19.14 | coops89 | it's pretty annoying |
| 04:19.49 | coops89 | can I somehow remove "ca-certificates-java" without removing the packages that "depend" on it |
| 04:20.01 | coops89 | my system apparently works fine without it |
| 04:20.07 | wols | coops89: FIRST error is always the most important. from the limited paste you gave us: remove all java packages and reinstall them. which java is installed? |
| 04:20.49 | coops89 | http://pastebin.com/Kr9GRALs |
| 04:20.52 | wols | ysph: console keymap and X keymap are totally different things. not dependend on each other |
| 04:20.55 | coops89 | this is the beginning of the crapload |
| 04:22.18 | ysph | wols: good to know, i guess i should keep reading the reference material |
| 04:22.20 | nsadmin | it would have been nice if the error msg said why it had problems adding each of those |
| 04:23.19 | wols | !tell ysph about keymap |
| 04:24.00 | wols | Could not create the Java virtual machine. looks like a big hint, don'tchathink? |
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| 04:24.26 | coops89 | rofl yeah, I know what it is now |
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| 04:24.45 | kaushal | hi |
| 04:24.50 | \amethyst | coops89: it appears to log the output to a tempfile, but then removes the log before reporting 'failed' |
| 04:24.59 | coops89 | bloat-shit-crap-java makes a boo-boo because it can't reserve 1 GB memory on my VPS so it can start |
| 04:25.00 | kolpur | please give me some good tutorial on creation of deb packages from python source |
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| 04:25.33 | dondelelcaro | kolpur: start with the nm guide, then look at an existing package |
| 04:25.39 | wols | kolpur: I don't think there are special ones for python |
| 04:26.22 | kaushal | what are the prerequisites to become a debian member ? |
| 04:26.38 | kolpur | wols, in general what is the procedure ? |
| 04:26.41 | dondelelcaro | kaushal: you mean a debian developer? or a debian maintainer? |
| 04:27.10 | kaushal | debian maintainer |
| 04:28.24 | wols | !tell kolpur about nmg |
| 04:28.38 | dondelelcaro | kaushal: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
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| 04:29.09 | kolpur | wols, sorry i didn't get you |
| 04:29.17 | kolpur | what is nmg ? |
| 04:29.35 | wols | check what dpkg just told you |
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| 04:33.09 | kolpur | thanks wols .. |
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| 04:50.10 | coops89 | can I somehow get the configuration files/information for a package? |
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| 04:52.43 | Vasistha | coops89: well if you have the .deb, then dpkg -c will show you the contents. That may help. But I don't think there's a way of knowing what files the program may have created, e.g. /home/bob/.xhit/somerc |
| 04:52.59 | coops89 | tnx |
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| 05:00.37 | LordV | In Xterm, my Alt key doesn't function as a Meta. Instead it gives me accented characters. How can I make Alt work like Meta again? |
| 05:02.29 | Kapace | LordV, i had that problem, so i just installed gnome-terminal |
| 05:03.02 | LordV | Kapace: how's that an improvement? It pops menus or does random stuff with every 3rd Alt-key combo. :) |
| 05:03.34 | Kapace | Atl-Backspace works, so im happy with that :P |
| 05:03.38 | LordV | (and I'm getting tired of hitting Esc :-) |
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| 05:10.30 | ysph | LordV: maybe try xmodmap ing your Alt to be a Meta? |
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| 05:15.41 | Rapsodius | Hi! I have the following situation: I'm on computer X now, and I ssh to computer Y, from computer Y, I ssh again into computer Z, this is necessary because Z is on its own Lan, and Y can access that lan, but not X, so the problem is I want to do X forwarding, but computer Y has no X server and so ssh -X is fruitless, and I want to ssh directly from X to Z. possible? |
| 05:15.45 | kolpur | what should be the format of the source code folder to create debian package using dh_make ? |
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| 05:17.04 | ehc | will things in .bashrc be run on startup or only when I open a shell? |
| 05:17.37 | Rapsodius | ehc: when you log in as a user |
| 05:17.53 | ehc | Rapsodius: great :) |
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| 05:19.14 | kolpur | what is the source code folder structure expected by dh_make ? |
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| 05:22.59 | Rapsodius | hmm that sound confusing... |
| 05:24.03 | adb | kolpur, /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg selftell |
| 05:24.17 | Rapsodius | Hi! I have the following situation: I'm on computer X now, and I ssh to computer Y, from computer Y, I ssh again into computer Z, this is necessary because Z is on its own Lan, and Y can access that lan, but not X, so the problem is I want to do Xorg forwarding, but computer Y has no Xorg server and so ssh -X is fruitless, and I want to ssh directly from X to Z and forward Xorg applications. Is it possible? |
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| 05:29.45 | coops89 | I've wasted like 2 hours now trying to get ca-certificates-java to install, a package I don't even need but is marked as a dependency for another package I need |
| 05:29.52 | coops89 | my system runs fine even though it fails to insall |
| 05:30.06 | coops89 | so how can I simply make aptitude ignore it completly? |
| 05:30.24 | coops89 | "remove it, and don't even try to install it" |
| 05:30.50 | coops89 | "just pretend that it's installed" |
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| 05:38.59 | wols | coops89: I asked you a few things you haven't ansewred for 2 hours either |
| 05:39.19 | coops89 | okay, what did you ask? I had to close my chat, sorry |
| 05:39.25 | coops89 | what java i was using? |
| 05:40.09 | coops89 | I cant answer that as java runs out of memory when I start it |
| 05:40.36 | coops89 | e.g. "java" fails rofl |
| 05:40.45 | wols | does your dpkg fail too? |
| 05:40.51 | coops89 | ony that package |
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| 05:40.57 | coops89 | so I'm gonna pin it to -1 |
| 05:41.02 | coops89 | only* |
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| 05:46.13 | wols | coops89: and this helps how? |
| 05:47.27 | fas3r | i try to confiure the line for spf in bind .. what's wrong with this : my-domain.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:77.82.168.45 mx:mail.zoneedit.com mx:mail3.zoneedit.com a:mail.my-domain.com include:mail.my-domain.com mx:mail.my-domain.com +all" |
| 05:47.29 | coops89 | it didn't |
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| 05:47.58 | coops89 | I ended up installing the sun-java-6-jre instead of OpenJDK (openjdk-6-jre) |
| 05:48.13 | coops89 | that fixed all my problems. apparently OpenJDK sucks |
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| 06:23.38 | karter | hi |
| 06:23.59 | karter | anyone know if there's a working solr 1.5 for debian ? |
| 06:24.18 | karter | if there is none, and I want something like this: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/solr-jetty |
| 06:24.23 | karter | but only with 1.5 |
| 06:24.27 | karter | instead of 1.4 |
| 06:24.32 | karter | how would I do that ? |
| 06:24.51 | karter | ? |
| 06:25.34 | Amanda-B | compile, install, and package it yourself. there are guides on debian.org. |
| 06:25.50 | karter | but this is a joint package |
| 06:25.58 | karter | how do I package two into one ? |
| 06:27.56 | karter | or should I just compile those two separately and just install them ? |
| 06:31.22 | wols | !tell karter about ssb |
| 06:31.28 | wols | ,versions solr-jetty |
| 06:31.30 | judd | solr-jetty -- sid: 1.4.0+ds1-1; squeeze: 1.4.0+ds1-1 |
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| 06:47.38 | karter | so considering that as a no go, do I have to do this myself ? compile + make a package ? |
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| 06:47.52 | karter | ,versions solr |
| 06:47.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'solr' was found. |
| 06:48.00 | karter | ,versions jetty |
| 06:48.02 | judd | jetty -- sid: 6.1.22-1; squeeze: 6.1.22-1 |
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| 07:34.57 | sep | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository lists a lot of tools to make debian repo's. i need to make a mixed repo consisting of testing + "list of packages we need from sid" what would be the best tool to start investigating. |
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| 07:41.28 | nsadmin | you mean list of packages you will compile from sid sources so they work on testing |
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| 07:46.43 | sep | the packages in question works on testing as they are (atleast for the interesting time frame) |
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| 08:02.27 | sweb | I'm using intel 64 cpu |
| 08:02.34 | sweb | which architecture for me |
| 08:02.43 | sweb | debian ia64 just have a one dvd ? |
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| 08:03.03 | sep | !ia64 |
| 08:03.03 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 08:04.34 | sep | sweb, if you _realy_ have a itanium cpu then you can use that first dvd or the first cd. they dont build all images for the more rare architectures. |
| 08:05.30 | sep | but if you have a common 64bit cpu the it's amd64 arch |
| 08:05.32 | sweb | sep, your mean is use first dvd of `ia64` and then for after use another dvdis in `amd64` ? |
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| 08:05.42 | sep | no |
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| 08:06.19 | sweb | sep, so forget ia64 and use amd64 ? |
| 08:06.30 | sep | if your cpu is i itanium you use ia64. otherways you use amd64 |
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| 08:28.22 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 08:28.22 | dpkg | <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
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| 09:05.53 | mkad | Hi |
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| 09:06.03 | mkad | why devnums with modprobe does not work anymore? |
| 09:06.19 | MilkaCow | hi |
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| 09:09.51 | Rezagrats | Where's the file for screen resolution located? |
| 09:09.55 | omry|work | after changing /etc/security/limits.conf , how do I apply the changes? based on the output of ulimit -a it does not atake effect. |
| 09:10.21 | dzimitir | boot. |
| 09:10.23 | dzimitir | "D |
| 09:10.45 | omry|work | dzimitir, want, am I in #windows?! :) |
| 09:10.51 | omry|work | s/want/wait |
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| 09:13.40 | omry|work | Rezagrats, on newer x servers it's no longer needed. you can change resolution dynamically via xarndr (usually a ui option on your desktop env) |
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| 09:14.11 | omry|work | you can still have /etc/X11/xorg.conf though. (but you may have to create it) |
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| 09:15.04 | kolpur | i want to create a deb package from the code i've written in python ... someone please help me in creating the deb package from the python source code |
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| 09:15.26 | Rezagrats | Omry|work, i'm using a HDD with /home and it seems the old settings of my last debian install is still in effect... so my resolution is stuck at 1280x1024 and there's no option in the nice little Screen Resolution ui. |
| 09:15.45 | datenritter | just got a signature error in aptitude: Christian Marillat marillat at debian dot org 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 09:15.50 | datenritter | what should i do? |
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| 09:16.17 | omry|work | datenritter, google for that hex number |
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| 09:16.29 | wols | datenritter: you should read the instructions at dmm |
| 09:16.58 | wols | Rezagrats: there is no file by default at all. if there is one, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:17.11 | datenritter | wols: dmm? |
| 09:17.15 | wols | !dmm |
| 09:17.16 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 09:17.25 | datenritter | oh, peinlich |
| 09:17.30 | datenritter | :-[ |
| 09:19.09 | omry|work | Rezagrats, what dm? gnome? kde? |
| 09:19.17 | Rezagrats | Gnome. |
| 09:19.31 | Rezagrats | Installing nvidia-setting right now. |
| 09:19.37 | omry|work | check System->Preferences->Screen resolution |
| 09:20.09 | omry|work | Rezagrats, distro? |
| 09:20.25 | Rezagrats | 5.04 |
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| 09:21.14 | d3x | 5.04 or 5.0.4? |
| 09:21.26 | d3x | (hoary hedgehog or latest lenny?) |
| 09:21.53 | Rezagrats | I'm guessing the latter. |
| 09:22.10 | d3x | you scared me for a moment ;P |
| 09:22.14 | omry|work | :) |
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| 09:22.59 | d3x | (btw, "latest lenny" fits ubuntu naming schema :P) |
| 09:23.02 | omry|work | Rezagrats, you ran nvidia-xconfig ? |
| 09:23.15 | Rezagrats | Yeah, restarting... |
| 09:23.18 | omry|work | no need |
| 09:23.21 | WierdAAR | If i've done a base install of Debian on pretty basic hardware, will i need to find drivers for anything? |
| 09:23.23 | omry|work | restart your x server./ |
| 09:23.33 | wols | WierdAAR: no |
| 09:23.49 | Rezagrats | Ctrl-alt-f1 or which ever it is never really worked for me. |
| 09:23.52 | WierdAAR | wols, Just had to be sure.. Thanks |
| 09:23.52 | d3x | depends on what "basic" means... |
| 09:23.56 | wols | WierdAAR: in linux almost all drivers are already included in the kernel |
| 09:24.02 | omry|work | Rezagrats, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 09:24.24 | Rezagrats | It's never really worked for me in all honesty. |
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| 09:24.38 | omry|work | you ran it as root? |
| 09:24.56 | Rezagrats | I was already restarting. |
| 09:24.57 | cosmodad | hi -- can anyone please name an example (preferrably not too big) Debian package using CDBS? |
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| 09:25.14 | Rezagrats | Anyways, i got 'failed to start x server...' -sadface- |
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| 09:25.28 | WierdAAR | d3x, will as in a preasempelt asus desktop computer |
| 09:26.01 | d3x | this strange word in the middle of sentece is "preassembled"? |
| 09:26.10 | wols | WierdAAR: that is irrelevant for linux. linux only cares what chips are inside that computer |
| 09:26.12 | WierdAAR | d3x, ...yes. |
| 09:26.39 | wols | WierdAAR: brand names of chips are sorta importan. brandnames of assembliers like asus are not |
| 09:27.01 | Rezagrats | I has new mail ? o.o |
| 09:27.02 | d3x | if you have some weird wifi chipset (broadcom...) you might need to download firmware for it |
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| 09:27.21 | WierdAAR | d3x, there is at the moment no wifi on my computer |
| 09:27.35 | d3x | WierdAAR, the better for you :) |
| 09:27.45 | d3x | so, most likely it should all just work |
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| 09:28.28 | WierdAAR | Well that's nice.. And I thought as much since I haven't experienced any problems with it yet |
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| 09:29.54 | Rezagrats | Where is the x.org log usually located ? :\ |
| 09:30.14 | d3x | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:30.40 | omry|work | Rezagrats, you you let the nvidia xserver conf util create your xorg.conf? |
| 09:30.44 | krion | hi |
| 09:31.00 | Rezagrats | Yeah, omry|work. it worked before at one point. |
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| 09:31.39 | omry|work | did you edit the file manually? |
| 09:31.44 | omry|work | (xorg.conf) |
| 09:31.49 | Rezagrats | No. |
| 09:32.02 | omry|work | upgraded kernel image? |
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| 09:32.20 | d3x | Rezagrats, try removing xorg.conf |
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| 09:32.26 | Rezagrats | Whatever is on the DVD install... |
| 09:32.51 | Rezagrats | For some reason a netinst is just trouble with me and GRUB. |
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| 09:33.25 | Rezagrats | "couldn't open module "nvidia"" interesting... |
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| 09:34.27 | deuterium | hi. does anybody know how to get rid of DOS attacks against "denyhosts"? some scripts out there obviously try to kill denyhosts by sending lots of "\x00\x00\x00\x00" |
| 09:35.20 | d3x | Rezagrats, aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 09:35.26 | omry|work | deuterium, send how? as their IP address? |
| 09:36.19 | deuterium | omry|work: that's what i'm currently trying to find out.. so far, i just see these nulls in denyhosts's log file |
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| 09:37.01 | Rezagrats | D3x: 'Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source' |
| 09:37.53 | d3x | Rezagrats, it's in non-free |
| 09:38.09 | deuterium | omry|work: seems to be fed as the ip address. the log entries read: 2010-04-09 05:55:19,900 - denyhosts : INFO new denied hosts: ['\x00\x00 ... \x00\x00ri Feb 27 14'] |
| 09:38.36 | omry|work | deuterium, check the auth log |
| 09:38.44 | deuterium | don't know exactly how they manage to send that garbage as their ip address |
| 09:38.53 | wols | deuterium: a botnet is DDOSing you I guess. pretty much impossible to defend from |
| 09:38.54 | Rezagrats | I'm using the DVD version only as a safety precaution until i can make a ghost of my system in case GRUB decides to poop all over itself like with a netinst. |
| 09:38.59 | Rezagrats | D3x ^ |
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| 09:39.41 | deuterium | wols: i just want to ignore any malformed ip addresses.. shouldn't be that hard, imho |
| 09:39.58 | d3x | Rezagrats, then just don't use proprietary drivers yet... |
| 09:40.11 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
| 09:40.26 | Rezagrats | Does non-free repos have any GRUB stuff in it ? |
| 09:40.36 | d3x | not likely |
| 09:40.37 | deuterium | wols: and i think it's not a whole botnet.. got a very limited bandwith.. not very attractive. and the box and connection is still alive. |
| 09:40.52 | Rezagrats | How do i open my repos to non-free via command line ? |
| 09:41.05 | deuterium | wols: just some silly script kiddie scripts i guess |
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| 09:41.07 | d3x | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:41.13 | Rezagrats | Oh, right. |
| 09:41.44 | d3x | and afterwards: aptitude update |
| 09:41.59 | Rezagrats | Uhh |
| 09:42.36 | Rezagrats | I have debian-volatile and lenny/updates and the DVDs as my repos- nothing else. |
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| 09:43.13 | d3x | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 09:44.31 | Tesssa | advice please at present i am using xubuntu and i do like it.. is debian the better op system to change to |
| 09:44.35 | linduxed | i'm running a headless server that i want to run a java6 application on |
| 09:44.43 | linduxed | basically a server-client app |
| 09:45.24 | linduxed | but when i look att the packages that provide java, the pull along a ton of packages that are only relevant if i have X |
| 09:45.29 | linduxed | like a lot of ttf fonts |
| 09:45.31 | d3x | Tesssa, asking in #debian wheter it's better than X will lead you to one answer... |
| 09:45.33 | linduxed | and some X stuff |
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| 09:46.06 | wols | ,info grub-doc squeeze |
| 09:46.11 | judd | grub-doc (doc, optional): Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package). Version: 0.97-59; Size: 113.8k; Installed: 152k |
| 09:46.21 | wols | ,info grub2-doc squeeze |
| 09:46.23 | judd | No record of package 'grub2-doc' in squeeze/i386. |
| 09:46.36 | d3x | linduxed, erm.. sun-java6-jre doesn't depend on anything related to X |
| 09:46.54 | wols | !tell linduxed about no recommends |
| 09:47.20 | wols | !tell linduxed about apt recommends |
| 09:47.55 | Tesssa | was just looking into it as changing a op system is a big thing |
| 09:48.00 | Tesssa | but thanks |
| 09:49.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Tesssa: only depends on what you are using it for and what you expect |
| 09:49.47 | Rezagrats | Restart, d3x? |
| 09:50.18 | jpinx-eeepc | d3x: at least restart your browser ,) |
| 09:51.05 | Tesssa | it won't be for business, just a home puter general use |
| 09:51.39 | d3x | Rezagrats, did m-a a-i nvidia? |
| 09:51.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Tesssa: I run stable debian on my personal laptop with great success, but i am not into media or even printing stuff |
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| 09:52.18 | Rezagrats | Mhm, d3x. i just did '/etc/init.d/gmd restart'. everything works... SO FAR. |
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| 09:53.09 | Rezagrats | Now i need to ghost my system to DVD and open up to live repos instead of these DVDs. |
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| 09:53.51 | Tesssa | ok jpinx thanks for the advice will give it a lot of thought |
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| 09:55.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Tesssa: np, but whatever channel you join you will be met with enthusiasm for that channels distro ;) |
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| 10:24.25 | simonrvn | retard on the loose, a` d c c s e n d stuff |
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| 10:27.32 | danielig | hi, I have some trouble with clamav in my server install, because it says it that clamav is outdated, several forums in the web suggest to add the volatile repositories to the sources, is this a good idea? |
| 10:27.58 | danielig | I am using kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 10:28.16 | petemc | danielig: you'll need version 0.95 or above |
| 10:28.48 | danielig | I know, but it is not in the repositories. should I add the volatile sources, or rather compile clamav? |
| 10:29.02 | petemc | ,versions clamav |
| 10:29.04 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96+dfsg-2 |
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| 10:29.23 | petemc | looks like volatile would work |
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| 10:29.47 | danielig | is that a good idea? I don't know what this volatile repository means. |
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| 10:30.13 | petemc | !volatile |
| 10:30.13 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 10:30.52 | danielig | ah, I just asked dpkg myself, thanks petemc |
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| 10:30.59 | danielig | thanks dpkg ;-) |
| 10:30.59 | petemc | np |
| 10:31.15 | liable | you aint no dpkg |
| 10:31.30 | danielig | every channel should have a nice bot as dpkg |
| 10:31.48 | DevilChaos | hi folks i was wondering i have encrypted lvm hard disk on my laptop is there a way to find out what encryption cypher i used when i installed it i cant remember what i picked on the partitioner |
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| 10:32.59 | Rezagrats | Backupninja isn't working too great. are there any alternatives like backupninja? |
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| 10:38.47 | sveajobb | Hi, I have a strange problem concerning gcc compiles. when I get an error the "concerned name" is not output correctly. for instance it will look like this: http.c:41: error: â undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 10:39.05 | sveajobb | anyone knows how to fix? |
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| 10:41.29 | GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to make RSA authentication mandatory for all except one user? if so, how do i do that in sshd_config ? |
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| 10:46.30 | aburch | GuySoft: man sshd_config, Match |
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| 10:49.38 | GuySoft | aburch, thanks!< ill go read :)0 |
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| 10:50.28 | DevilChaos | thats another good question using the encrypt lvm after opening i have anacron installed and on start up scroll i get fail how would i fix this? |
| 10:51.42 | Mowee | Hi :o) |
| 10:51.50 | DevilChaos | hi |
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| 11:17.26 | Fuzzy76 | My (newly installed Lenny) gameserver experienced serious lagging yesterday (player ping rose from 50 to 150 ms roughly). Does the output of http://fuzzy76.net/~fuzzy76/munin.jpg tell you anything? 'Cause I can't pinpoint the problem. :( |
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| 11:25.11 | taras | hi. I got porblems at configuring linux-base in lenny from backports http://pastebin.com/k0Ua3SYr |
| 11:25.16 | taras | problems* |
| 11:25.55 | taras | was installing latest 2.6.32 kernel from backports |
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| 11:27.29 | icebrain | taras: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576608 |
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| 11:30.47 | taras | what if I try to install manually util-linux from squeeze repository? |
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| 11:40.00 | wols | taras: then you break your debian |
| 11:40.04 | wols | ,versions util-linux |
| 11:40.06 | judd | util-linux -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1; etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1; lenny: 2.13.1.1-1; sid: 2.16.2-0; squeeze: 2.16.2-0 |
| 11:40.17 | wols | taras: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:43.42 | nima | i have a 1.5T hdd, my debian box did not know about whole 1.5T space on it , i should switch to my ubuntu os(ubuntu know it as 1.5T) then when i go back to debian , debian know this as a 1.5T too , where is the problem with debian |
| 11:44.48 | themill | nima: you need to define what "know" means. |
| 11:45.00 | d3x | nima, why do you assume it's problem with debian? |
| 11:45.12 | taras | any hope of fixing that bug soon? |
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| 11:46.03 | nima | d3x, i know it is not a problem , but i can find any better word , i think my debian box does not load a specific driver |
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| 11:46.36 | nima | themill, i can't find better word ( maybe estimating size) |
| 11:46.47 | themill | how? |
| 11:46.50 | d3x | nima, you didn't even say how is that drive partitioned... |
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| 11:47.28 | themill | nima: you've given us precisely zero concrete information at this stage. You're clearly looking at the output of programs to make this determination, why not show us this output? Use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paste |
| 11:47.33 | nima | d3x, one partition with ntfs |
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| 11:49.09 | nima | themill, now i am in debian , and i mount that disk in ubuntu before so its wok fine now , but after a shut down i have to mount it one in ubuntu |
| 11:49.56 | abrotman | nima: SHOW US |
| 11:50.00 | abrotman | !paste |
| 11:50.00 | d3x | nima, install ntfs-3g, it should solve all your ntfs problems |
| 11:50.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 11:50.45 | d3x | (also, why the hell use ntfs in linux?) |
| 11:50.49 | nima | d3x, i have ntfs-3g |
| 11:51.00 | nima | abrotman, what should paste bin |
| 11:51.07 | nima | d3x, i have to |
| 11:51.22 | abrotman | nima: whatever you're using to determine it's not working correctly |
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| 11:51.58 | nima | abrotman, when i turn on my pc and go to debian at first there is no file like sdbX for that disk |
| 11:52.01 | d3x | nima, is it any recent version of ntfs-3g? |
| 11:52.15 | nima | abrotman, i have to mount it in my ubuntu and return back to debian |
| 11:52.30 | nima | d3x, ntfs-3g on testing |
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| 11:52.44 | simonrvn | there's likely a simpler and real fix for this... |
| 11:52.49 | d3x | hm... ok, dirrent problem if you're missing device files... |
| 11:52.56 | d3x | *different |
| 11:53.06 | simonrvn | like a driver not being loaded |
| 11:53.13 | d3x | look at your dmesg |
| 11:53.25 | d3x | or, better, paste it somewhere |
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| 11:55.30 | nima | d3x, ok thanks mans |
| 11:56.17 | abrotman | !ntfs3g |
| 11:56.17 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 11:56.29 | abrotman | that should probably say how to install it .. |
| 11:56.44 | d3x | abrotman, he said he already has it |
| 11:57.49 | d3x | and i think it doesn't really matter that much what FS he has, because there is no sd* in /dev... or he can't see it at least |
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| 12:01.29 | freaky[t] | hi all. does anyone know how i can find out what process is using how much bandwidth? |
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| 12:03.23 | Luka666 | hello, im trying to put ia64 lenny on a i7 quad and the thing will not boot the cd. Tried booting win 98 and Ubuntu i386 (the first things i found) and it works ok. Any ideas? |
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| 12:05.21 | petemc | Luka666: use amd64 , ia is for itaniums |
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| 12:07.07 | Luka666 | petemc: ah ok, thx |
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| 12:07.29 | digii | anyone know what package that contains mod_fcgi and is not only used for apache? |
| 12:07.44 | jelly | digii: mod_fcgi for which web server? |
| 12:07.52 | digii | lighthttpd |
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| 12:08.27 | abrotman | !tell digii about apt-file |
| 12:08.47 | nima | d3x, i create the system file for that disk , sdb5 not when i try to mount it i get this error http://dpaste.com/186497/ |
| 12:09.19 | jelly | digii: mod_fastcgi that already comes with it is not good enough? |
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| 12:09.51 | digii | jelly: does lighthttpd come with mod_fcgi? |
| 12:09.52 | d3x | nima, are you sure /dev/sdb5 is the partition you want to mount? |
| 12:09.55 | digii | didnt know that |
| 12:10.02 | nima | d3x, yeah sure |
| 12:10.22 | nima | d3x, sdb1 is a extended partition and 5 is the whole 1.5T |
| 12:10.51 | jelly | digii: take a good look at the contents of your lighttpd package. |
| 12:11.16 | digii | ok =) |
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| 12:15.27 | miro_dietiker | Is there any debian based cloud distribution with cool management tools to drive an own virtualized infrastructure as slim as possible? |
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| 12:16.01 | digii | jelly: but, should it be in lighthttpd.conf in server.modules = ( ) if it was inplemented? |
| 12:16.09 | wols | nothing is as slim as debian itself with a ssh client |
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| 12:16.35 | jelly | digii: I have no idea how lighttpd works, sorry |
| 12:16.53 | digii | ok |
| 12:16.54 | miro_dietiker | wols ;-) ... well some management layer over multiple physical instances and virtual machines would be neat |
| 12:17.00 | digii | its not implemented |
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| 12:19.10 | jelly | I don't think that word means what you think it means. |
| 12:19.46 | arafangion | Hello, I'm having extreme unreliability using the rt61pci module for my wireless card - it connects, but I have very poor performance. (I can live with the poor performance) - this poor performance can vary from exceptionally good (36Mbps or higher), all the way down to 1Mbps, and it frequently disconnects. |
| 12:20.08 | arafangion | Once disconnected, then it never seems to successfully reconnect (It is unable to find the IP address), until the kernel module has been first unloaded, then reloaded. |
| 12:21.38 | arafangion | This bug may have been discussed in debian bug #561087, however I am already running the latest kernel (2.6.32-trunk-686) |
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| 12:25.20 | arafangion | Wow, this channel is _quiet_ |
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| 12:27.10 | liable | makes noise |
| 12:27.52 | arafangion | Thanks, that's better. |
| 12:28.00 | liable | RAWR |
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| 12:29.38 | taras | is it possible to calculate space taken by packages? |
| 12:32.12 | tarzeau | taras: sure |
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| 12:32.48 | arafangion | taras: You could decompress the package you're interested in, and observe how much space it takes up. |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | taras: on your system you mean? |
| 12:34.19 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 12:34.19 | dpkg | somebody said sort by size was aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge> |
| 12:36.15 | arafangion | Hmm, I suppose the only thing I can do about my wifi card, is to try a new kernel (perhaps the latest one on kernel.org), or to buy a non-ralink-based wifi card. |
| 12:36.29 | abrotman | arafangion: what is uname -a ? |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | arafangion: your kernel is out of date .. |
| 12:36.41 | arafangion | Linux silver 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:36.53 | abrotman | arafangion: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. boot the new kernel, then remove that -trunk- kernel |
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| 12:37.26 | arafangion | How does one know if it's out of date? (Just done that, regardless) |
| 12:37.53 | arafangion | (I had checked aptitude - it was the most recent 2.6.32 that I thought I saw...) |
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| 12:38.19 | abrotman | arafangion: the metapackage is supposed to keep it up to date .. but the -trunk- messed up the version comparison or the grub thing or something .. and the trunk one keeps getting loaded after the -3- is installed |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | be nice if they'd mark the -4- to conflict with the -trunk |
| 12:38.48 | abrotman | but i guess that would remove your running kernel, which some people don't like |
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| 12:39.26 | arafangion | I would definetly hate an automated install change my kernel, if it was working. |
| 12:40.00 | arafangion | Anyway, thanks for that - I'll reboot now and check it out. |
| 12:40.18 | abrotman | arafangion: but you sohuld do it, for security reasons |
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| 12:40.48 | arafangion | abrotman: Well, yes... But many of us have bigger problems these days. :( |
| 12:40.57 | abrotman | like security? |
| 12:41.12 | arafangion | Funnily enough, yes. |
| 12:42.10 | arafangion | Many businesses don't seem to understand the difference between encryption, identification, and "security". |
| 12:42.16 | arafangion | least of all, some banks. |
| 12:42.40 | abrotman | i meant your personal system security .. but whatever .. it's your system |
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| 12:43.29 | arafangion | Yeah... I'm more worried about identity fraud than someone getting access to my computer, and to do that, getting to the computer's actually the harder way to do it. |
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| 12:49.16 | deuterium | hosts.allow always overrides hosts.deny, right? |
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| 12:50.31 | d3x | deuterium, no |
| 12:50.32 | haze_ | hello..?? |
| 12:50.44 | d3x | hm... or maybe it does? |
| 12:50.46 | deuterium | d3x: no? |
| 12:50.52 | deuterium | that's the question |
| 12:50.55 | d3x | deuterium, don't listen to me, i'm not sure :P you confused me :) |
| 12:51.03 | deuterium | ok |
| 12:51.07 | deuterium | anybody else? |
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| 12:51.35 | haze_ | i am using debian sqeeze in ma acer aspire laptop..and can u pls help me to detect ma monitor..?? |
| 12:51.44 | deuterium | i think it must override it, for the sake of logic |
| 12:52.02 | simonrvn | no it doesn't override .allow |
| 12:52.12 | simonrvn | er, .deny |
| 12:52.14 | aburch | deuterium: man hosts_access, if an entry in hosts.allow matches, hosts.deny is not checked at all. |
| 12:52.28 | haze_ | i AM mean can u pls suggest some direct links to download it as .run file..??? |
| 12:52.36 | deuterium | aburch: so that means .allow overrides .deny |
| 12:52.47 | deuterium | aburch: ok, that's what i expected |
| 12:52.53 | deuterium | simonrvn: source of your information? |
| 12:52.55 | haze_ | someone out der to help me.? |
| 12:52.56 | simonrvn | haze_: what does your monitor have to do with .run files? |
| 12:53.08 | simonrvn | deuterium: it's called a mistake. chill |
| 12:53.17 | deuterium | simonrvn: ok, np ;) |
| 12:53.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:53.27 | haze_ | i can install tht manually wid su sh <filename> |
| 12:53.35 | deuterium | thx aburch |
| 12:53.53 | haze_ | any suggestions.? |
| 12:54.15 | simonrvn | no, su - first, or use sudo, if you need to ... then do sh foo.run |
| 12:54.28 | haze_ | okey.. |
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| 12:54.54 | haze_ | now wat shud i do to detect ma ATI graphics card in squeez? |
| 12:55.13 | simonrvn | !ati |
| 12:55.13 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 12:57.04 | abrotman | haze_: what's your native language? |
| 12:57.47 | deuterium | btw, regarding the man page, it's "man 5 hosts_access" |
| 12:58.00 | simonrvn | really?! :P |
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| 13:03.04 | arafangion | Thanks for that abrotman - that may have fixed my problem, in any case, I'm now using the latest kernel, so that's an improvement, at least. |
| 13:03.16 | abrotman | arafangion: good thing too! |
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| 13:03.32 | arafangion | Deleting the -trunk- version now. :) |
| 13:04.15 | simonrvn | cool |
| 13:05.01 | freyr | i have 2 ide hard drives and i need a raid 1, but i cant find any option when installing debian 5 |
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| 13:05.45 | wonderwal | whats the best way to setup debian such that everytime it starts it sets the date correctly from an ntp server? |
| 13:05.47 | freyr | can anyone tell me how can i do a raid 1 ? i dont have a physical raid controller |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | wonderwal: install ntp |
| 13:06.16 | abrotman | !tell freyr about swraid |
| 13:06.17 | simonrvn | "guided partitioning" freyr |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | !tell freyr about ig |
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| 13:12.40 | thrashold | Hi, I need to use my PC in 5 minutes, but some process is reading at full speed from teh disk, and my PC is unusable, how do I find it? |
| 13:14.30 | simonrvn | alt-print screen-o :P. that's "activate manual OOM killer". you could find it with ps or top then kill it with pkill |
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| 13:14.55 | thrashold | It's not OOM, I believe |
| 13:15.08 | thrashold | Swap: 2097144 0 2097144 |
| 13:15.32 | thrashold | OK, I can at least use a terminal, I'll ssh to this PC, thanks |
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| 13:18.02 | wonderwal | um |
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| 13:27.41 | dan2 | abrotman, long time no see, how are you? |
| 13:27.54 | simonrvn | omg |
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| 13:32.47 | jajo123 | How do you enable synaptics touchpad tapping in sid? |
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| 13:35.52 | dan2 | abrotman, so what have you been up to? |
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| 13:36.26 | rvsjoen | jajo123: if this is a continuance of the same question you had in #linux, do you know what sid is ? |
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| 13:37.05 | jajo123 | What does that question mean? |
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| 13:38.03 | rvsjoen | it means you were complaining about things not working after upgrade, and that linux was crap, and now you are asking about sid, i'm just wondering if you know what sid actually is |
| 13:38.11 | rvsjoen | !sid |
| 13:38.11 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 13:38.19 | jajo123 | So? |
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| 13:38.34 | rvsjoen | the keyword is unstable, run sid, expect things to break |
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| 13:39.08 | jajo123 | Well, the changes breaking touchpads are eventually ending in testing anyway |
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| 13:39.24 | jajo123 | judd: versions xserver-xorg-xinput-evdev |
| 13:39.26 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xserver-xorg-xinput-evdev' was found. |
| 13:39.35 | jajo123 | judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 13:39.37 | judd | xserver-xorg-input-evdev -- etch: 1:1.1.2-6; lenny: 1:2.0.8-1; squeeze: 1:2.3.2-4; sid: 1:2.3.2-6 |
| 13:40.21 | jajo123 | judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 13:40.22 | judd | xserver-xorg-input-synaptics -- etch: 0.14.6-1; lenny: 0.14.7~git20070706-3; squeeze: 1.2.1-1; sid: 1.2.2-2 |
| 13:40.34 | jajo123 | I'm not sure which of the two drivers my system uses, I assume evdev |
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| 13:43.06 | rvsjoen | the other stuff on the touchpad works, but tapping not ? |
| 13:43.28 | jajo123 | Well, yes. Not that it is much usable that way |
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| 13:43.45 | rvsjoen | do you have your own xorg.conf or is it all auto-generated |
| 13:43.50 | near | hi |
| 13:43.58 | near | does anyone know how i can get the links application on debian? |
| 13:44.06 | jajo123 | My own, but just video card config there, I keep everything else out of there |
| 13:44.23 | rvsjoen | !tell near about aptitude |
| 13:44.44 | near | i cant find the correct name to apt-get it |
| 13:45.06 | rvsjoen | ,versions links |
| 13:45.08 | judd | links -- etch: 0.99+1.00pre12-1.1; lenny: 2.1pre37-1.1; squeeze: 2.2-1+b1; sid: 2.2-1+b2 |
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| 13:45.19 | jajo123 | near: apt-cache search links . Also links in debian kinda sucks, use elinks or something, or links2 with gui |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | hi dansushi |
| 13:45.29 | abrotman | bleh |
| 13:45.30 | abrotman | dan2 |
| 13:45.36 | rvsjoen | check the Xorg logfile to see which driver you are using |
| 13:45.40 | dan2 | abrotman, what's up |
| 13:45.48 | near | i want it to work from a putty session |
| 13:45.48 | abrotman | not much .. #debian-offtopic if you want to chat |
| 13:46.19 | jajo123 | rvsjoen: evdev touchpad |
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| 13:47.29 | jajo123 | Anyway, this is probably pointless, I don't think there's a way for it to work. It doesn't have any properties related to the touchpad |
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| 13:47.39 | jajo123 | What was the gnome tool for changing input settings |
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| 13:49.16 | abrotman | for which kind of device? gsynaptics ? |
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| 13:49.42 | jajo123 | I assume gsynaptics works only for the synaptics driver (as synclient doesn't work for me) |
| 13:50.08 | jajo123 | there was a gnome tool someone suggested me here, for any input device |
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| 13:50.28 | jajo123 | (But I assume it is a frontend for xinput, and still won't work, but I still want to try) |
| 13:51.09 | jajo123 | Er, gsynaptics doesn't install any binaries for me now :) |
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| 14:35.42 | Lazy^ | Hi, i'm getting this error with openldap " LDAP error! Referral: . " any clue about the problem. |
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| 14:39.29 | g00dtimes | good morning folks. ive got a problem with an nfs server cluster. debian lenny, heartbeat 3.0.x. basically whats happening is when i go to failover the nfs-kernel-server, nfsd leaves a handful of kernel threads running that wont let the filesystem to be unmounted. any ideas as to why those kernel threads aren't killed when /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop is invoked? |
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| 14:42.12 | Bohemian | how do i remove all packages of an application, that is, tomcat6 from aptitude? i did aptitude install tomcat6 and it won't compile properly because e.g. /etc/tomcat6 is still there. i need to remove everything associated with tomcat6 so i can reinstall it |
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| 14:43.32 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: "aptitude purge tomcat6" will remove all the configuration files too, even if you made any changes to them. but installed conffiles should not prevent you from installing the package again. dpkg is supposed to be smart about that kind of thing. |
| 14:43.44 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: you could move /etc/tomcat6 somewhere else and see if that works |
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| 14:44.04 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: but then you might not get the default config files due to confmiss |
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| 14:44.36 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: so... the best course of action is probably (1) move /etc/tomcat6 somewhere, then (2) purge tomcat6 and then (3) install it again |
| 14:45.04 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: or instead of (2) and (3) reinstall it forcing confmiss |
| 14:45.25 | Bohemian | i tried purging, and it didn't go through: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 && E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
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| 14:45.34 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 14:45.41 | SerajewelKS | tomcat6 is probably in a half-installed state |
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| 14:46.01 | SerajewelKS | also, tomcat6 is not in debian... |
| 14:46.13 | Bohemian | how do i remove it? |
| 14:46.25 | Bohemian | SerajewelKS: i updated my sources.list so it would compile in aptitude |
| 14:46.30 | Bohemian | talked to a dev in #tomcat |
| 14:46.46 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: aptitude has nothing to do with compiling |
| 14:47.13 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: you're going to have to pastebin your errors or talk to that dev again |
| 14:47.15 | Bohemian | well, how do i remove everything that is in its half-installed state? |
| 14:47.19 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: it sounds like their package is fucked |
| 14:47.20 | Bohemian | one sec |
| 14:47.50 | Bohemian | SerajewelKS: http://p.linode.com/3759 |
| 14:48.17 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: their package is fucked |
| 14:48.21 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: tell them to fix it |
| 14:48.26 | Bohemian | sigh |
| 14:48.41 | Bohemian | i'll try from source again |
| 14:48.46 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: when uninstalling, they try to remove files. if those files are already gone, it craps out. |
| 14:49.03 | Bohemian | but what if i moved the /etc/tomcat6 folder already? isn't it my fault? |
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| 14:49.07 | Bohemian | i actually rm'ed it but yeah |
| 14:49.10 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: no |
| 14:49.28 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: their package, when uninstalling, should not fail to uninstall if the files it is going to remove are already gone |
| 14:49.32 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: it should ignore them |
| 14:49.49 | Bohemian | yeah |
| 14:49.52 | Bohemian | agreed |
| 14:49.55 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: you might be able to work your way out of this by creating the directory structure it expects and then touching the files it wants to remove |
| 14:50.06 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: and then after you do that, file a bug with them |
| 14:50.32 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: from the looks of it, 'mkdir -p /etc/tomcat6/Catalina/localhost' should fix the errors it lists |
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| 14:51.32 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: if more errors surface, you'll have to deal with those, in addition to running all the commands you already did to fix the previous errors |
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| 14:53.59 | Bohemian | heh, this is gonna take all day. it keeps erroring on me |
| 14:54.04 | Bohemian | thanks SerajewelKS ! |
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| 14:55.08 | Bohemian | SerajewelKS: after purge completes, just run apt-get update && aptitude install tomcat6 ? |
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| 14:56.29 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: np |
| 14:56.38 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: if you still trust this package then sure, you could do that... |
| 14:57.37 | Bohemian | yay! |
| 14:57.43 | Bohemian | it installed properly, i get an "it works" page |
| 14:57.47 | Bohemian | thank you so much SerajewelKS ! |
| 14:57.53 | Bohemian | good to know how to troubleshoot aptitude :) |
| 14:57.55 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: np |
| 14:57.56 | Bohemian | though i miss ports ;) |
| 14:58.07 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: not so much troubleshoot aptitude as troubleshoot dpkg |
| 14:58.14 | Bohemian | what's the difference? |
| 14:58.17 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: and not so much troubleshoot dpkg as troubleshoot broken packages :) |
| 14:58.30 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: dpkg is the base package manager. it knows how to install and uninstall stuff. |
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| 14:58.48 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: aptitude is a higher-level tool that does other things like dependency resolution and downloads packages from mirrors |
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| 14:59.01 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: aptitude then uses dpkg to install the packages it downloaded |
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| 14:59.35 | Bohemian | ah, i see. |
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| 14:59.47 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: if you've used redhat before, think of dpkg as rpm, and aptitude as yum. only debian's tools are better. :) |
| 15:00.01 | nvz | I've been sitting here playing a game with a PS3 controller, but when I tried to plug in a 2nd one the first one is outputiing from both /dev/input/js0 and /dev/input/js1 instead of the other controller being js1 |
| 15:00.18 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems safe-upgrading testing? |
| 15:00.23 | twobitsprite | I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/Mwz6ikZv |
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| 15:00.32 | Bohemian | i've heard of redhat and know vaguely what rpm and yum is, but never used it. (i come from freebsd) |
| 15:01.40 | SerajewelKS | Bohemian: ah |
| 15:02.11 | twobitsprite | make world |
| 15:02.25 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: i've been seeing shit about libdirectfb during my upgrades, but that's it |
| 15:02.37 | twobitsprite | hmm |
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| 15:04.30 | g00dtimes | is it possible to disable nfsv4 in lenny? if so, how is it done? |
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| 15:06.40 | wise_crypt | !update-rc.d > wise_crypt |
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| 15:07.04 | jelly | wise_crypt: /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 15:07.27 | wols | I got a problem: |
| 15:07.37 | wols | I need a lenovo stinkpad for the price of a acer |
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| 15:07.40 | flo` | hi |
| 15:07.52 | wise_crypt | jelly: sorry wrong # |
| 15:08.15 | wols | ECHAN |
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| 15:12.11 | echa | wols: which model |
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| 15:12.23 | echa | wols: there are massive problems with supply at the moment |
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| 15:12.58 | echa | wols: echa is waiting for teh T410s |
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| 15:15.57 | Quicken2K | I installed debian 5.0 fine, but when after it's installed my cdrom no longer works even though I see cdrom0 in Storage. Any Ideas? |
| 15:16.01 | g00dtimes | nm guys. i figured it out. too bad theres no var by default in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server to pass opts to nfsd. |
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| 15:18.31 | fruitwerks | hmm I have a fresh bootstrap of lenny and I am having locale issues |
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| 15:20.08 | imox1234 | when i have an Intel Core Duo 7500 then i have to use IA-64 version or ? |
| 15:20.18 | fruitwerks | amd64 / x86_64 |
| 15:20.27 | fruitwerks | ia is for itanium and others |
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| 15:20.43 | fruitwerks | usually if you need ia-64 you will know for sure :) |
| 15:22.17 | JyZyXEL | what are some good easy to use ncurses based mail clients? |
| 15:23.09 | azeem_ | JyZyXEL: mutt? |
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| 15:23.15 | JyZyXEL | i said easy to use |
| 15:23.20 | petemc | mutt is very easy to use |
| 15:23.22 | fruitwerks | lol |
| 15:23.23 | JyZyXEL | mutt is fucking horrible to use |
| 15:23.30 | azeem_ | JyZyXEL: then look for yourself |
| 15:23.34 | fruitwerks | lmao |
| 15:23.34 | petemc | your fucking horrible to use |
| 15:23.43 | petemc | you're, even |
| 15:23.58 | fruitwerks | I hate vi.. I have read the manual and still can't figure it out.. so I stick with nano |
| 15:24.10 | iceroot | fruitwerks: use vim not vi :) |
| 15:24.23 | fruitwerks | vim sounds even worse lol |
| 15:24.32 | iceroot | its improved :) |
| 15:24.53 | fruitwerks | .. yeah - ** Now with added bullshit ** :D |
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| 15:25.27 | fruitwerks | more confusing than before! lol |
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| 15:26.37 | JyZyXEL | the debian ara search is still offline |
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| 15:26.51 | JyZyXEL | someone should set up a new ara |
| 15:27.11 | fruitwerks | wtf.. fresh bootstrap and I have locale issues, so I can't install anything |
| 15:27.25 | JyZyXEL | popularity based search sorting was the best shit ever when searching for programs |
| 15:28.24 | fruitwerks | and I have no locale-gen.. so ugh |
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| 15:38.27 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search mail | grep ncurses |
| 15:38.28 | JyZyXEL | 0 |
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| 15:39.33 | JyZyXEL | any ideas? |
| 15:39.59 | iceroot | JyZyXEL: mutt |
| 15:40.04 | flo` | i have a pretty strange problem with my CF card slot... i have a thinkpad x31, with a pcmcia and a CF card socket |
| 15:40.10 | JyZyXEL | no i already used it for a year and i've fucking had it |
| 15:40.10 | flo` | (the driver is yenta) |
| 15:40.44 | JyZyXEL | i need to find some alternatives |
| 15:40.44 | flo` | when i insert a 128MB CF card, either directly into the CF slot or with an adaptor in the pcmcia slot, my system gets a high system load |
| 15:40.49 | rvsjoen | jyzyxel: alpine ? |
| 15:40.50 | flo` | load average is 2.15 |
| 15:41.04 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: you can sill download the raw popcon stats http://popcon.debian.org/all-popcon-results.txt.gz |
| 15:41.05 | flo` | and processor is 0% idle and about 95% "waiting" (says top) |
| 15:41.11 | flo` | what's the problem there? |
| 15:41.27 | dutchfish | s/sill/still |
| 15:41.30 | flo` | the card does _not_ appear in /dev/ |
| 15:42.28 | JyZyXEL | oh interesting its like the pico interface |
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| 15:44.17 | flo|linux | hi. i'm flo` |
| 15:44.27 | flo|linux | in the moment i sent my last line, my system froze |
| 15:44.46 | flo|linux | didn't respond to pings, magic sysrq didn't work |
| 15:44.57 | flo|linux | what is the problem wirth that CF adaptor` |
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| 15:46.18 | themill | JyZyXEL: there's a reason it looks like pico. |
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| 15:46.32 | flo|linux | i'm using lenny |
| 15:46.34 | JyZyXEL | you have to use pico to edit your messages? |
| 15:46.39 | flo|linux | can anyone help me there please` |
| 15:47.01 | JyZyXEL | i prefer Vim |
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| 15:47.21 | themill | JyZyXEL: it started out as a mailer called pine. People thought the editor was good so they made pico. Then people realised the licence sucked so they made alpine and nano. |
| 15:47.46 | JyZyXEL | oh ok then this is not the thing for me |
| 15:48.06 | flo|linux | aah... dmesg says: pcmcia: detected deprecated pcmcia ioctl usage from process: discover |
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| 15:48.21 | flo|linux | this interface will be removed soon, expect breakage |
| 15:48.31 | flo|linux | ok. i got breakage. but how to solve this? |
| 15:48.42 | valdyn | flo|linux: what debian release is that that you still have discover? |
| 15:48.52 | flo|linux | lenny |
| 15:49.11 | valdyn | flo|linux: you dont need discover. |
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| 15:49.24 | flo|linux | valdyn, i don't even know what it is |
| 15:49.32 | flo|linux | what is it and how can i turn it off |
| 15:49.50 | valdyn | flo|linux: do you have any pcmcia hardware that is *not* pccard? |
| 15:49.54 | flo|linux | do i only need to turn off discover, or do i need to turn on something else? |
| 15:50.02 | flo|linux | valdyn, i dunno. |
| 15:50.05 | valdyn | flo|linux: do you have any isa slot on the mainboard? |
| 15:50.10 | wols | flo|linux: you need to upgrade debian so you don't have discover anymore :) |
| 15:50.15 | valdyn | flo|linux: is it more or less than 10 years old? |
| 15:50.28 | wols | valdyn: the stinkpad almost is :) |
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| 15:50.41 | flo|linux | lspci | grep ISA tells me there is a ISA bridge |
| 15:50.51 | valdyn | lenny does not need discover |
| 15:50.55 | valdyn | flo|linux: thats irrelevant |
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| 15:50.59 | flo|linux | wols, i how? |
| 15:51.17 | flo|linux | i did all "normal" updates, i think |
| 15:51.18 | valdyn | flo|linux: just means your chipset *could* support isa, doesnt mean theres any isa |
| 15:51.22 | wols | flo|linux: what debian version is it? /msg dpkg version |
| 15:51.27 | flo|linux | ah. ok |
| 15:51.36 | Xilent | hi, im searching for deb5 compatible hardware raid chipsets, any suggestions :) |
| 15:51.37 | valdyn | flo|linux: if this is lenny you just have discover because you always had it |
| 15:51.39 | wols | valdyn: it's old enough that there aer isa devices. |
| 15:51.54 | wols | Xilent: 3ware? |
| 15:51.54 | valdyn | wols: I see |
| 15:52.09 | wols | valdyn: banias cpus. nice hardware, but it is old, no doubt about it |
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| 15:52.17 | flo|linux | /etc/debian_version says 5.0.4 |
| 15:52.31 | valdyn | flo|linux: if lspci lists your disk controller and your gfx chip then you can probably remove discover and see what it breaks later |
| 15:52.55 | fruitwerks | can someone echo path for me.. I forgot to append |
| 15:53.16 | flo|linux | valdyn, it does. i think, my LFS runs without any ISA support... let me check that |
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| 15:54.17 | JyZyXEL | maybe theres a webui based mail client? |
| 15:54.32 | valdyn | maybe? |
| 15:54.35 | valdyn | certainly. |
| 15:54.46 | JyZyXEL | any big ones? |
| 15:54.55 | flo|linux | ah, no i have isa support enabled... |
| 15:55.02 | valdyn | squirrelmailà |
| 15:55.05 | valdyn | squirrelmail? |
| 15:55.12 | flo|linux | valdyn, but again: how do i remove "discover"? |
| 15:55.18 | JyZyXEL | i've heard of that |
| 15:55.20 | flo|linux | and what does discover actually do? |
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| 15:55.27 | valdyn | flo|linux: discovers hardware |
| 15:55.29 | JyZyXEL | but isn't that more of a mail server thing |
| 15:55.43 | JyZyXEL | like prividing people with mail accounts or something |
| 15:55.53 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Squirrelmail is a web-based imap client. |
| 15:55.54 | flo|linux | valdyn, and, why is it unneeded then? |
| 15:55.59 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 15:56.01 | wols | JyZyXEL: roundcube |
| 15:56.19 | valdyn | flo|linux: the whole infrastructure around it changed |
| 15:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: You need a web server with PHP to run it, but it doesn't have to be on the mailserver. |
| 15:56.25 | valdyn | flo|linux: kernel changed, udev exists |
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| 15:56.40 | valdyn | flo|linux: kernel sees hardware and notifies udev |
| 15:56.41 | flo|linux | ok... so discover has been replaced by udev? |
| 15:56.48 | valdyn | flo|linux: theres no need to "discover" anything |
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| 15:57.10 | valdyn | flo|linux: but that obviously only works with plug & play devices. Thats everything that is not antique, like isa |
| 15:57.17 | JyZyXEL | roundcube is broken on lenny |
| 15:57.19 | flo|linux | and, again: how do i remove it? |
| 15:57.21 | JyZyXEL | roundcube: Depends: roundcube-core (= 0.3.1-3~bpo50+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | Where in KDE do I add a new user? |
| 15:57.34 | valdyn | apt-get remove discover |
| 15:57.39 | wols | ,versions roundcube-core |
| 15:57.41 | judd | roundcube-core -- etch-backports: 0.1.1-10~bpo40+2; lenny-backports: 0.3.1-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.3.1-3; squeeze: 0.3.1-3 |
| 15:57.42 | flo|linux | ok, thanks |
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| 15:58.03 | p8david | Why when I type this : "yum update subversion" on a server it says that there is no new update (v1.4), but on an another server, I got the v1.6 |
| 15:58.06 | JyZyXEL | i guess roundcube package doesn't list roundcube-core as its requiments |
| 15:58.16 | wols | JyZyXEL: next time, see the "bpo" directly yourself |
| 15:58.26 | JyZyXEL | whats bpo |
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| 15:58.30 | wols | p8david: you have yum on your debian server? |
| 15:58.35 | wols | !tell JyZyXEL about bpo |
| 15:58.56 | p8david | wols: nop, on a centos server |
| 15:59.07 | wols | p8david: and you ask this in #debian why? |
| 15:59.14 | JyZyXEL | lolwut lenny has a roundcube package but not roundcube-core |
| 15:59.25 | themill | ,versions roundcube |
| 15:59.26 | wols | JyZyXEL: lenny has not roundcube at all |
| 15:59.26 | judd | roundcube -- etch-backports: 0.1.1-10~bpo40+2; lenny-backports: 0.3.1-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.3.1-3; squeeze: 0.3.1-3 |
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| 15:59.31 | themill | JyZyXEL: no it doesn't |
| 15:59.42 | p8david | wols: well, I didn't find any channel about centos working |
| 15:59.44 | JyZyXEL | oh weird i must have backports in my sources.list then |
| 16:00.00 | wols | p8david: this one isn't working for you either /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 16:00.09 | themill | p8david: #centos was too obvious? |
| 16:00.09 | JyZyXEL | thats the thing with apt-get you never know from where you are installing |
| 16:00.26 | p8david | d'oh |
| 16:00.35 | themill | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg why aptitude ; aptitude does tell you that. Also apt-cache policy packagename. |
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| 16:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | The answer was "kuser" from the System menu for those of you playing along at home. Strange that it's not linked in kcontrol. |
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| 16:02.44 | flo|linux | my CF card still doesn't get read |
| 16:03.00 | flo|linux | same symptoms: high io-waiting, high system load |
| 16:03.12 | JyZyXEL | aptitude is pretty much like apt-get but its slower and it puts some weird {} things after each package name |
| 16:03.37 | themill | zomg it shows you more information just as the information you were complaining was missing!)!)!!1! |
| 16:03.39 | flo|linux | wtf. but dmesg tells me that there is a hde |
| 16:04.03 | JyZyXEL | yea ionno i never figured out what those bracket things are |
| 16:04.06 | flo|linux | and freeze ._. |
| 16:04.13 | JyZyXEL | and the score system |
| 16:04.18 | flo|linux | ah no... only for some seconds |
| 16:04.27 | themill | JyZyXEL: And naturally that would prevent you from using it. |
| 16:04.52 | JyZyXEL | well the fact that its slower kinda does |
| 16:05.48 | themill | JyZyXEL: well you've made your choice not to use the tool that provides you with additional information as it goes along. That means you don't get complain that a simpler tool doesn't provide said information. HAND. |
| 16:06.02 | flo|linux | can please anyone help me? my CF card problem still exists |
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| 16:06.37 | flo|linux | the error message in dmesg vanished, and when i insert the card, at least it gets recognized correctly (128MB), and dmesg _tells_ me that it will be named hde |
| 16:06.38 | JyZyXEL | aptitude by default doesn't tell you either from which repo each package is |
| 16:06.43 | flo|linux | however, there is no /dev/hde |
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| 16:06.50 | JyZyXEL | but then again who even cares |
| 16:06.55 | flo|linux | and again i have high load and io-waiting ._. |
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| 16:07.29 | fruitwerks | I'm doing an install-over-x bootstrap... I bootstrapped to /dev/sda2 and I did networking config... grub is good.. anything else I need before I reboot? |
| 16:09.39 | JyZyXEL | squirrelmail tries to connect to an imap server running on localhost |
| 16:09.42 | JyZyXEL | i don't have such thing |
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| 16:12.16 | flo|linux | hey... can _please_ _anyone_ tell me a) why my CF card doesn't show up, b) why it causes heavy system load and c) why it makes my system hang for som,e seconds or even freeze totally? |
| 16:12.30 | JyZyXEL | so this is more like for some mail server type thingy |
| 16:12.37 | fruitwerks | sounds like some usb bs |
| 16:12.41 | flo|linux | on my other laptop it works, but whenever i access the card, i get huge systemload. but only on access |
| 16:13.29 | JyZyXEL | roundcube looks to be exactly the same |
| 16:13.32 | JyZyXEL | for IMAP server |
| 16:13.34 | JyZyXEL | which im not |
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| 16:14.20 | themill | JyZyXEL: are you seriously unable to read documentation or use google at all? http://squirrelmail.org/docs/admin/admin-5.html#ss5.2 |
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| 16:15.19 | JyZyXEL | but its still designed for a single imap server use, usually localhost |
| 16:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | What's the name of the "first run wizard" in KDE 3.5? |
| 16:15.25 | wols | themill: you have to ask? |
| 16:15.28 | JyZyXEL | i need an imap client that can do multiple imap servers |
| 16:15.37 | JyZyXEL | so i can see all my mail in once box |
| 16:16.05 | JyZyXEL | thats also why mutt is unsuitable cause its a fucking nightmare to configure |
| 16:16.11 | hramrach | sup? |
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| 16:16.52 | JyZyXEL | oh sup seems interesting |
| 16:16.52 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: you want sylpheed |
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| 16:17.43 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: straight sylpheed, not -claws |
| 16:17.44 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: well yea but its a graphical client so i can't use it from anywhere |
| 16:18.07 | JyZyXEL | as with ncurses and web based clients i can use them from anywhere |
| 16:18.12 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: theres no text mode client with graphical config |
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| 16:18.19 | themill | heh |
| 16:18.27 | JyZyXEL | seems that way |
| 16:18.27 | flo_ | hi. my network connectoon broke down |
| 16:18.42 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: if mutt seems hard, try harder, because configuring mutt is not more than cut & paste |
| 16:18.48 | flo_ | please look at this: pastebin.com/BUHSqDKC |
| 16:19.10 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: or just use google |
| 16:19.10 | flo_ | there my problem is described, with some portins of dmesg |
| 16:19.19 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: thats dead easy |
| 16:19.32 | JyZyXEL | i tried add that and it was way too confusing |
| 16:19.52 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: i meant google mail actually, not searching |
| 16:20.02 | hramrach | also mutt is unsuitable because it won't merge your inboxes |
| 16:20.14 | JyZyXEL | yea it won't |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | thats not mutt's job, procmail can do that |
| 16:20.33 | hramrach | yes, that sort of works |
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| 16:20.52 | JyZyXEL | but then when you delete mail in mutt will it delete in the imap server? |
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| 16:20.58 | hramrach | also mutt was terribly slow on huge mailboxes that do get mail last time I tried |
| 16:21.12 | valdyn | hramrach: its not that slow |
| 16:21.13 | hramrach | valdyn: it will merge them physically, not in merger view |
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| 16:21.33 | valdyn | hramrach: but sylpheed is faster |
| 16:22.21 | valdyn | mutt has a featre called header_cache, which you need to use for huge mailboxes |
| 16:22.44 | JyZyXEL | does it have a mail cache? |
| 16:22.55 | justin | JyZyXEL: offlineimap |
| 16:23.33 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
| 16:24.10 | justin | JyZyXEL: google it |
| 16:24.19 | JyZyXEL | its another mail client? |
| 16:24.23 | justin | JyZyXEL: google it |
| 16:24.25 | JyZyXEL | i did |
| 16:24.54 | JyZyXEL | according to google its another client |
| 16:25.06 | justin | JyZyXEL: is english your primary language? |
| 16:25.07 | JyZyXEL | or maybe its a proxy |
| 16:25.09 | JyZyXEL | who knows |
| 16:25.12 | JyZyXEL | its just called a "tool" |
| 16:25.32 | hramrach | The Tool :D |
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| 16:25.53 | JyZyXEL | what a crappy description really |
| 16:26.37 | JyZyXEL | im guessing its somekind of caching imap proxy type of deal |
| 16:26.45 | justin | JyZyXEL: is english your primary language? |
| 16:26.47 | JyZyXEL | to build up the complexity even more |
| 16:26.51 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 16:27.03 | justin | JyZyXEL: is there a channel for the language your normall speak? |
| 16:27.10 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 16:27.42 | themill | there's #debian-fi on oftc |
| 16:27.51 | JyZyXEL | its been dead for years |
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| 16:30.45 | jelly | fee fi fo fum |
| 16:30.58 | JyZyXEL | so lets see you would have you postfix, fetchmail, procmail, offlineimap and mutt |
| 16:31.03 | JyZyXEL | and they all need to work together |
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| 16:31.38 | hramrach | or you would have just gmail ;-) |
| 16:31.39 | justin | no, just mutt+offlineimap |
| 16:31.56 | JyZyXEL | i doubt gmail can read from other imap servers |
| 16:32.01 | JyZyXEL | or from your local mail |
| 16:32.08 | justin | it can |
| 16:32.11 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: doesn't fetchmail and procmail provide the name functionality? |
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| 16:32.28 | JyZyXEL | name functionality? |
| 16:32.36 | Titan8990 | s/name/same/ |
| 16:32.42 | JyZyXEL | justin: offlineimap can do merging? |
| 16:33.23 | justin | JyZyXEL: sup does "merging" |
| 16:33.43 | JyZyXEL | sup - software upgrade protocol |
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| 16:33.56 | JyZyXEL | interesting what apt gave me |
| 16:33.58 | JyZyXEL | not what i expected |
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| 16:34.53 | jimcooncat | I knew gmail does pop3 from other accounts, but rather badly. I supplement it with retchmail. |
| 16:35.23 | JyZyXEL | well i don't wanna set up an imap server so google can fetch my local mail |
| 16:35.36 | JyZyXEL | actually i even can't cause my ISP forbids it |
| 16:35.47 | justin | JyZyXEL: I don't think you know what you want |
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| 16:35.57 | jimcooncat | JyZyXEL: you can't just forward it to your gmail accounts? |
| 16:35.57 | JyZyXEL | yea i do |
| 16:36.04 | S1kx | what kind of image do i need for a i686 system? |
| 16:36.18 | JyZyXEL | hmm interesting idea |
| 16:36.29 | JyZyXEL | i have to see if my other mail services support forwarding |
| 16:36.46 | Titan8990 | S1kx: i386 |
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| 16:37.46 | JyZyXEL | no well then i couldn't get the mail from my mailbox |
| 16:37.48 | S1kx | thank you very much :) |
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| 16:37.57 | JyZyXEL | the mail that already is there |
| 16:38.16 | S1kx | is there any way to still get debian woody 3.0? |
| 16:38.27 | wols | !woody |
| 16:38.27 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 16:38.34 | jelly | S1kx: 1) archive.debian.org 2) why?? |
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| 16:38.51 | S1kx | need to compile something for this router that doesn't have a compiler or anything installed... |
| 16:39.05 | JyZyXEL | imapsync - IMAP synchronization, copy and migration tool |
| 16:39.07 | superlinux | hi. does debian allow the usage of zsync with its ISO images? |
| 16:39.08 | S1kx | so i setup a system with the same kernel so i can copy the compiled executable over |
| 16:39.08 | JyZyXEL | that looks interesting |
| 16:39.38 | Titan8990 | kernel shouldn't really matter.. version of the libs and gcc would though |
| 16:39.50 | wols | S1kx: unlikely. embedded systems use uclibc for example. and of course most embedded systems use mips or arm |
| 16:39.58 | Titan8990 | you could probably set up a compile environment in a chroot |
| 16:40.15 | wols | S1kx: the only time you need that kernel is when you do kernel modules |
| 16:40.22 | S1kx | it only has 20mb free |
| 16:40.38 | S1kx | so mm... you mean i can compile from any environment? |
| 16:40.44 | S1kx | or that its unlikely it would work |
| 16:40.56 | wols | yes, and if it's a arm or mips cpu you need a crosscompiler |
| 16:41.24 | S1kx | its an intel |
| 16:41.30 | wols | both actually: you can compile from any environment and normal debian libs are unlikely to work |
| 16:41.42 | scopecreep | is there a specific channel for help with squeeze? |
| 16:41.53 | wols | scopecreep: no. ask here |
| 16:42.09 | JyZyXEL | this channel supports squeeze? |
| 16:42.12 | Titan8990 | that would be here, but its expected the squeeze users are pretty familar with debian already |
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| 16:42.22 | wols | JyZyXEL: sometimes more, sometimes less |
| 16:42.38 | scopecreep | yeah i was just wondering if anyone had had luck getting nvidia drivers working |
| 16:42.55 | wols | scopecreep: yes we did. /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 16:43.04 | newsense | scopecreep: i use the nvidia installer on squeeze, works fine |
| 16:43.15 | scopecreep | awesome thank you |
| 16:43.21 | S1kx | wols: well like which normal debian libs? |
| 16:43.27 | Titan8990 | ,versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:43.28 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4 |
| 16:43.29 | S1kx | wols: i only need to compile a reall short c program actually |
| 16:43.46 | S1kx | the router is running debian woody 3.0 with vmlinuz-2.4.31 |
| 16:43.47 | Titan8990 | wols: that guide should only apply for 9xxx series and greater cards |
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| 16:43.48 | wols | S1kx: embedded systems tend to use uclibc and a special version of it depending on device. debian doesn't |
| 16:44.25 | wols | Titan8990: that will work fine frm 6xxx or so onwards IIRC: at least my 8600gt works fine with sid drivers |
| 16:44.41 | Titan8990 | and also apply to lenny users of 9xxx or greater cards |
| 16:44.45 | scopecreep | sweet i think thats just what i needed, thanks again guys |
| 16:44.46 | S1kx | wols: so i could compile it from a x64 system too as long as i compile it as x86? |
| 16:44.55 | Titan8990 | wols: right, I am just saying, it should also work fine with what is in squeeze now |
| 16:44.56 | wols | Titan8990: it should work for anything but nvidia legacy cards |
| 16:45.05 | JyZyXEL | wols: what driver is that? |
| 16:45.21 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: 173.x vs 190.x |
| 16:45.30 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL: proprietary nvidia dirvers |
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| 16:45.36 | wols | Titan8990: it's harder work cause lenny already has some nvidia packages yes. the factoid is farily old afaik |
| 16:45.55 | JyZyXEL | oh those |
| 16:46.00 | newsense | i use 190.53 on my onboard 8200 |
| 16:46.08 | wols | S1kx: yes. and as long as the libs match or you compile everything statically |
| 16:46.18 | newsense | hdmi output even works nice on my 46" tv |
| 16:46.19 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how that nvidia reverse engineering is going |
| 16:46.22 | wols | s/lenny/squeeze |
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| 16:46.46 | wols | JyZyXEL: going fine. only performance is lacking. which is to be expected |
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| 16:48.13 | JyZyXEL | last time i checked the 3D support was pretty much non-existing |
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| 16:48.33 | sivik | why is all the software in lenny so old? |
| 16:48.47 | sivik | like the version of xorg is from nov 11 2008? |
| 16:49.20 | Titan8990 | sivik: lenny released in early 2009 |
| 16:49.20 | wols | cause lenny freeze started in august 2008 |
| 16:49.43 | sivik | Alright. So how do I get newer packages from the repositories? |
| 16:49.53 | Titan8990 | !tell sivik about bpo |
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| 16:50.11 | Titan8990 | sivik: install newer packages as-needed from lenny-backports |
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| 16:51.20 | vsmatck | Does the debian kernel support NUMA? I checked in my /boot/config-2.6.*-686 and there's no option for it. |
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| 16:51.37 | valdyn | 32-bit numa? what for? |
| 16:51.38 | vsmatck | I'm trying to figure out how to enable it on my motherboard/CPUs that support it. |
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| 16:52.08 | vsmatck | Apparently there is some performance improvement. I can't find out how much either. |
| 16:52.12 | valdyn | vsmatck: use a 64-bit kernel, thats all |
| 16:52.29 | vsmatck | ah, Is it only supported in x86-64 or something? |
| 16:52.39 | vsmatck | Is that a kernel requirement or hardware requirement or both? |
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| 16:53.08 | wols | vsmatck: only x64 cpus like opteron have numa support (for their multi socket machines) |
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| 16:53.30 | wols | vsmatck: why do you need this exactly? are you sure you have a NUMA machine? |
| 16:53.38 | vsmatck | I have two opterons in a K8WE. |
| 16:53.45 | vsmatck | It supports NUMA. |
| 16:53.54 | wols | does your chipset do numa? |
| 16:53.58 | vsmatck | yes |
| 16:54.05 | wols | so run a x64 kernel |
| 16:54.17 | valdyn | vsmatck: with the ram bound to come with such a machine theres no point in using a 32-bit kernel |
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| 16:54.28 | wols | vsmatck: that too |
| 16:54.55 | wols | tries to figure out how to steal vsmatck's box |
| 16:55.00 | vsmatck | I only have 4gB or RAM. I'd prefer not to mess with 64bit kernel unless there is no extra effort which has to be expended by me to get stuff working. |
| 16:55.12 | surlyjake | is there a dpkg tool in lenny that would allow me to go through all of the packages without dependencies? just for cleanup purposes |
| 16:55.28 | wols | there is no effort. you can run a x64 kernel with 32bit userland. by now even stuff as iptables should work fine |
| 16:55.38 | hramrach | vsmatck: the extra effort needed is taht you install one |
| 16:55.43 | wols | !deborphan |
| 16:55.44 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 16:55.45 | fruitwerks | where is a good no-bs example of /etc/networks that isn't 20 pages long |
| 16:55.52 | themill | surlyjake: aptitude already does that. See also deborphan and debfoster |
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| 16:56.04 | \amethyst | there might be problems with some proprietary graphics drivers... fglrx at least used to have problems working with a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit userspace |
| 16:56.13 | S1kx | wols: know out of your head which options I have to specify to cc to guarantee maximum compatibility? right now im just using -Bstatic but I get "cannot execute binary file" |
| 16:56.14 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: the debian reference has better examples than the manpage |
| 16:56.33 | wols | S1kx: did you install build-essential ? |
| 16:56.43 | hramrach | there are problems with proprietary graphics drivers. |
| 16:56.57 | S1kx | wols: I get the error on the other machine where I wanna run it... it compiles fine and I can execute it on the build machine too |
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| 16:57.01 | wols | S1kx: and execute where? on the system you compiled it or the embedded system? |
| 16:57.19 | wols | S1kx: there is nothing I can tell you embedded boxes are all strange without exception |
| 16:57.39 | wols | S1kx: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say on the embedded machine? |
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| 16:58.39 | fruitwerks | so I left out auto eth0 - is that all I need to add, or do I need to mess with auto lo |
| 16:58.39 | fruitwerks | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:58.44 | fruitwerks | err lol |
| 16:58.44 | S1kx | wols: https://gist.github.com/6bfedf8903b0f0715ff7 |
| 16:58.55 | greedo | does /etc/X11/XF86Config still exist? |
| 16:58.57 | wols | !wayttd fruitwerks |
| 16:58.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fruitwerks? |
| 16:59.08 | wols | greedo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf it is |
| 16:59.11 | fruitwerks | haha.. make sure I have my network settings right |
| 16:59.21 | wols | greedo: XF86 is dead, buried and utterly forgotten by now |
| 16:59.30 | greedo | ok |
| 16:59.31 | S1kx | wols: maybe cc compiles as 64-bit unless specified otherwise? |
| 16:59.46 | greedo | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TT-Debian-3.html |
| 16:59.47 | fruitwerks | I did not have auto eth0 in there, but I am wondering about /etc/networks do I need to bother that file? |
| 17:00.02 | wols | S1kx: on a 64bit box, certainly :) |
| 17:00.04 | greedo | this page is quite old, so that's why i asked |
| 17:00.40 | wols | greedo: v0.3, 10 January 2000 |
| 17:01.00 | wols | the page only has historical value by now |
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| 17:01.22 | wols | fruitwerks: so what is the desired network setup? |
| 17:01.33 | fruitwerks | static ip on eth0 |
| 17:01.49 | greedo | do you know of any other how-to's for font servers |
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| 17:02.13 | fruitwerks | wols does this look ok? http://pastebin.com/xqZ06xV5 |
| 17:02.59 | S1kx | wols: meh how do I get 32-bit libraries on the 64-bit box then? gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory :S |
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| 17:03.11 | vsmatck | hramrach/valdyn/wols: Thanks for the advice guys. |
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| 17:03.40 | wols | fruitwerks: http://paste.debian.net/70214/ |
| 17:03.47 | S1kx | sudo apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 |
| 17:03.49 | S1kx | got it |
| 17:03.50 | wols | S1kx: ia32libs or such |
| 17:04.21 | wols | fruitwerks: looks good. run ifconfig -a to check if eth0 exists |
| 17:04.44 | hramrach | Is tehre som # for C++ issues? |
| 17:04.53 | wols | hramrach: ##C++ |
| 17:05.04 | wols | might need identification to services |
| 17:05.14 | hramrach | I will try, thanks |
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| 17:06.02 | fruitwerks | well I'm not at the machine, but this kernel is proven to work, it just booted, but I had no connectivity and the DC didn't want to bother to look at the net config |
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| 17:06.38 | wols | are you sure the eth0 existed? the network drivers loaded and working? |
| 17:07.18 | tarzeau | can i mount an ext4 partition somehow with a kernel without ext4 support? |
| 17:07.28 | tarzeau | i got this in dmesg when i tried: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240). |
| 17:07.38 | fruitwerks | Apr 22 11:43:40 (none) kernel: [ 3.990286] Broadcom NetXtreme II Gigabit Ethernet Driver bnx2 v2.0.2 (Aug 21, 2009) |
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| 17:07.57 | tarzeau | !ext4 |
| 17:07.58 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:08.00 | fruitwerks | yes this is a proven kernel for lenny, but I need to make sure the network config is proper |
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| 17:09.08 | blizzow | Anyone in here running squeeze and having problems with libbonobo or libgtk? |
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| 17:09.29 | valdyn | !tell blizzow -about ask |
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| 17:11.19 | blizzow | Whenever I start firefox on squeeze, I get: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n. |
| 17:11.47 | blizzow | Prior to this I was getting a similar error regarding libgtk. The only way to fix it was to downgrade my libgtk. |
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| 17:12.21 | blizzow | does anyone know if it's gtk/bonobo are b0rked in squeeze or if it's a ghost in my machine. |
| 17:12.22 | blizzow | ? |
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| 17:15.51 | jhambo | in korganizer is there away to make the event text word wrap in month view? It's not very helpful to see like "9:30 AM Meet w..." instead of the full description... |
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| 17:16.33 | petemc | you've a meeting with george bush at 9:30 ? |
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| 17:17.11 | fruitwerks | hmm I don't have /dev/sd* - actually dev doesn't have much - this was a bottstrap install... did I miss something |
| 17:17.16 | icebrain | jhambo: dunno, but try #kde |
| 17:19.09 | tarzeau | i hate ext4 |
| 17:19.24 | jelly | I hate bugs in ext4fs code. |
| 17:19.45 | wols | filesystems must ripen a loooong time before one can use them |
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| 17:19.51 | tarzeau | i got a ppc with ext4, the kernel and all broke. my livesystem doesn't support ext4 :( |
| 17:20.03 | wols | let the gentoo ricers do that work. they must be good for something after all, right? |
| 17:20.05 | fruitwerks | here is my dev dir.. wth http://paste.debian.net/70217/ |
| 17:20.07 | tarzeau | xfs is nice! |
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| 17:20.24 | tarzeau | any way i get my data on this fucking built-in g4 imac harddisk? |
| 17:20.40 | wols | tarzeau: ubuntu live cd? |
| 17:20.45 | tarzeau | without removing the screws and putting the disk on a system with ext4 support? |
| 17:20.57 | tarzeau | wols: i don't have it, but yes, that's what i'll burn tomorrow onto a disc... |
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| 17:21.52 | superlinux | hi. is there mount for ssh? |
| 17:22.23 | wols | !sshfs |
| 17:22.24 | dpkg | A FUSE-based filesystem that uses <SSH>, packaged for Debian. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html, http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=FAQ . Remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group. Ask me about <fuse>. |
| 17:22.45 | wols | superlinux: basically, install fuse and it should be there. (hopefully) |
| 17:22.46 | fruitwerks | any ideas on my /dev issue wols? |
| 17:22.52 | wols | fruitwerks: nada |
| 17:22.59 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there is a way to turn off bindv6only for just java? |
| 17:23.00 | superlinux | wols, ok |
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| 17:24.02 | ethanol | how do I install a .deb AND all dependencies |
| 17:24.28 | poisonbit | apt-get update; dpkg -i package.deb; apt-get -f install |
| 17:24.28 | wols | ethanol: man aptitude |
| 17:24.40 | ethanol | I used -i, but missing dependencies |
| 17:24.54 | wols | hence why poisonbit suggests -f install |
| 17:24.56 | poisonbit | ethanol, manualy installing, fails at first soth on dependences |
| 17:25.06 | wols | ethanol: you need to force install then |
| 17:25.09 | fruitwerks | wols, no udev :) |
| 17:25.10 | poisonbit | apt-get -f install fix the issue |
| 17:25.22 | ethanol | will read manpage more, and try -f thanks guys |
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| 17:25.45 | wols | fruitwerks: how did you install? |
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| 17:27.13 | Argafal | I have a AMD64 System with Lenny stable. If I want to install a 32bit application, is that possible? And how do I get that one the 32-bit libs it needs? |
| 17:27.53 | sep | Argafal, google for 32bit chroot |
| 17:28.24 | Argafal | sep: thank you. |
| 17:28.27 | fruitwerks | wols.. bootstrap from cent on the swap |
| 17:28.45 | Argafal | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 17:31.26 | d3x | Argafal, put your libs in /usr/lib32 and you're done |
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| 17:33.00 | traveler00 | does xserver-xorg in squeeze actually support InputClass in its configuration? is anyone running this w/ success? |
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| 17:33.45 | Argafal | d3x: looks like that, yes. i installed ia32-libs, that made things better. though libqt4-dbus e.g. doesn't seem to be avaible. mh. guess i need to read learn a bit more about the whole problematic. overall idea is that i need skype to run which is available as i386 lenny package or amd64 ubuntu. BUT the latter seems to be linked to 32bit libs as well, though i find that rather confusing. |
| 17:34.51 | d3x | Argafal, if there is something missing in ia32* packages you can download the 32bit .deb, `ar x` it and copy the necessary files to /lib32 or /usr/lib32 accordingly |
| 17:35.19 | d3x | oh.. .you should have said in the beginning that it's skype :) |
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| 17:35.30 | Argafal | yeah, i figured that after reading the answers. |
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| 17:36.47 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:37.29 | Argafal | the libs i was looking for are btw in ia32-libs-gtk. just in case someone would have the same problem. |
| 17:37.49 | d3x | Argafal, yeah, they are :) |
| 17:37.59 | d3x | it's stupid that libqt sits in libs-gtk... |
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| 17:38.41 | Argafal | d3x: i felt the same. i just stumbled upon that by luck |
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| 17:41.08 | traveler00 | does xserver-xorg in squeeze/sid actually support InputClass in its configuration? is anyone running this successfully? |
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| 17:42.09 | [1]fred | hi, when I logout from my server I got this in the ps aux http://nopaste.info/0c4c686728.html how can I solve it? |
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| 17:42.58 | valdyn | [1]fred: why would you need to solve it? |
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| 17:43.42 | [1]fred | because old ssh session remain in process list... |
| 17:44.04 | lepine | my mysqld seems to have vanished, it silently died, I think |
| 17:44.08 | lepine | How can I find out why. |
| 17:44.18 | lepine | the obvious places in /var/log contained nothing |
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| 17:44.37 | lepine | daemon,messages,syslog,mysql* |
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| 17:44.48 | pyrophelia | what can cause a partition not to show up? |
| 17:45.01 | pyrophelia | fdisk shows the partition in the partition list, but it's not listed in dev |
| 17:45.12 | valdyn | [1]fred: thats *another* ssh session |
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| 17:46.46 | valdyn | [1]fred: one without a tty, probably sshfs |
| 17:47.11 | greedo | i'm still having trouble getting the font server working |
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| 17:47.15 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: your saying it lists a partition for say, /dev/sda1 but the block device file "/dev/sda1" does not exist? |
| 17:47.27 | pyrophelia | Titan8990, yeap. |
| 17:47.28 | valdyn | greedo: why would you use a font server in 2010? |
| 17:47.37 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: pastebin fdisk output |
| 17:47.43 | greedo | Mathematica |
| 17:47.44 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: what version of debian? |
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| 17:48.39 | pyrophelia | Titan8990, lenny. and it's a little late for that fdisk print out. This drive is part of a raid 6, and the server lost power during a resync so /dev/sdg1 was missing. |
| 17:48.40 | valdyn | greedo: thats a reason? |
| 17:49.06 | vsmatck | 64 bit kernel running and NUMA working now. Easy as pie. Just had to install the kernel. :) |
| 17:49.08 | pyrophelia | Titan8990, i've already run fdisk on the disk to get the patition back. I'll see if it stays after te resnc finishes |
| 17:49.19 | valdyn | greedo: just because mathematica *can* use fonts from a font server ( like any other X program ), doesn't make it a good idea |
| 17:49.26 | greedo | valdyn: well i keep getting errors and it appears to be related to xset |
| 17:49.50 | d3x | vsmatck, smart :) system usually runs better with a kernel :P |
| 17:50.29 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: "what can cause a partition not to show up?".... I believe you answered your own question as power failure during raid sync |
| 17:50.29 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/JHiCXgid |
| 17:50.42 | greedo | that's my error message |
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| 17:50.52 | pyrophelia | Titan8990, mdadm can affect the partition table? |
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| 17:51.26 | valdyn | greedo: thats a useless error message, ask mathematica support |
| 17:51.28 | pyrophelia | I do have another more important question. How do I trace an irq conflict? |
| 17:51.30 | [2]fred | valdyn: no... see that... when i logout from pts1: http://nopaste.info/83d118923a.html |
| 17:51.36 | pyrophelia | cat /proc/interupts doesn't really tell me much |
| 17:52.18 | greedo | and after consulting mathematica's site they seem to indicate that it is a font issue |
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| 17:52.27 | valdyn | greedo: you need to ask them or consult their manual as that error message is vague at best |
| 17:52.29 | lepine | so, no clues as to why mysql could have stopped listening on all it's sockets and not mention anything in the logs? |
| 17:52.32 | pyrophelia | 2 of my raid backplanes are on the same irq. |
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| 17:53.39 | valdyn | greedo: you didnt log out |
| 17:53.45 | valdyn | greedo: how do you think you logged out? |
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| 17:53.59 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i don't suppose there is a working backport of evolution? i don't see one in backports and the list of missing build-deps on lenny is quite prohibitive. |
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| 17:54.22 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: that could be the reason for no backport |
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| 17:55.20 | valdyn | greedo: the corresponding ssh process should also be still running on the client as you did not log out, btw |
| 17:56.10 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: that was my guess too... :( |
| 17:56.30 | Titan8990 | recommends a less buggy MUA |
| 17:56.40 | Strath | On a clean install of lenny-AMD64. I added a RAID controller card based on LSI SAS2108 RoC which should have support from 2.6.30 on, I've tried compiling/mkpg/install 2.6.33 with the options for that card included which didn't seem to work, i've tried recompiling the manufactures drivers (for Redhat) but that just produces pages of errors. Is there any way to get this card working on Debian or do I have to switch to Redhat or SUSE? |
| 17:57.15 | Titan8990 | Strath: did you try .32 from backports? |
| 17:57.19 | valdyn | Strath: why dont you use a debian kernel? |
| 17:57.19 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: buggy? |
| 17:57.54 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: during my time with it I found quite a few annoyances and bugs. Nothing specific comes to mind however |
| 17:58.32 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: the last time i used it was when lenny was testing. i don't recall having any particular qualms with it, i just liked gmail better. now i'm trying to move away from gmail for several reasons. |
| 17:59.00 | Strath | i tried including backports in my apt source list but either it's not polling correctly, or i don't know my way around aptitude to find that version/package |
| 17:59.12 | wols | Strath: read the backports.org instructions |
| 17:59.13 | valdyn | Strath: theres documentaton at backports.org |
| 17:59.14 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: I ended up switching to upstream thunderbird and it works quite nice |
| 17:59.22 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: once i get it set up to my liking i'm planning on switching my domain from gmail-hosted to self-hosted-with-postfix |
| 17:59.44 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: i used thunderbird for a while too. i have several specific issues with it. |
| 17:59.45 | Strath | i'll look again... just getting frustrated :/ |
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| 18:00.01 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: try sylpheed? or is that to small for you? |
| 18:00.08 | Titan8990 | !tell Strath about bpo |
| 18:00.13 | wols | claws please. not sylpheed |
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| 18:00.21 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: eh, i tried that a while back. it seems like guified mutt. |
| 18:00.25 | SerajewelKS | erm, valdyn ^^ |
| 18:00.30 | valdyn | wols: vice versa |
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| 18:01.15 | wols | valdyn: why? unless something has changed as it's bound to do |
| 18:01.35 | valdyn | wols: its different programs, i just like sylpheed better |
| 18:01.41 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: and apparently gcaldaemon is mostly crap :( |
| 18:01.55 | SerajewelKS | calendar is about the only thing i like |
| 18:01.56 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: on my server for my domain, I actually just use "mail"... but that account doesn't have mailing lists to deal with |
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| 18:02.16 | d3x | SerajewelKS, mutt is gr8 :) |
| 18:02.46 | SerajewelKS | d3x: i've considered the possibility that once i conclude that all the gui MUAs are crap, i might just wind up using it... |
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| 18:03.49 | d3x | SerajewelKS, i guess you don't want kmail? |
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| 18:03.54 | SerajewelKS | d3x: that would be a good guess |
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| 18:04.08 | d3x | i'm quite satisfied with it |
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| 18:04.15 | d3x | but then - i use kde :) |
| 18:04.22 | SerajewelKS | hmm, squeeze evolution doesn't seem to be that different anyway... |
| 18:04.29 | SerajewelKS | d3x: yeh, i used to... |
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| 18:06.57 | SerajewelKS | i am currently attempting to set up an MUA on my LAN server (VNC access) so that i can still read my mail everywhere, but also so i'm not tied to gmail |
| 18:07.38 | SerajewelKS | i already have icecast set up so i can listen to my music from anywhere :) |
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| 18:11.12 | dedid | -su: /usr/bin/updatedb: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.15 | Argafal | ok. next construction site: Webcam. dmesg claims it got registered correctly, but at least in skype it doesn't work. i'm looking for a program zu just playback the stream received from the cam, something like mplayer /dev/video0 (which of course doesn't work like that). should be in Debian lenny ;) |
| 18:11.28 | dedid | how i can install updatedb |
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| 18:11.52 | cahoot | Argafal: why not mplayer? |
| 18:11.55 | jelly-home | ,file bin/*locate |
| 18:11.57 | judd | bin/*locate in lenny/i386: expect-dev: usr/bin/expect_dislocate; zephyr-clients: usr/bin/zlocate; expect-tcl8.3-dev: usr/bin/expect_dislocate; beagle: usr/bin/blocate; mlocate: usr/bin/mlocate, usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate; dirvish: usr/bin/dirvish-locate; dlocate: usr/bin/dlocate |
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| 18:12.53 | Argafal | cahoot: would it be supposed to work like that? then i can clearly say the webcam (0ac8:0332 Z-Star from Targus) does not work. |
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| 18:13.19 | Argafal | The kernel-module used is uvcvideo. and it worked before with an older kernel version. |
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| 18:14.00 | cahoot | Argafal: could simply use luvcview (or mplayer) |
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| 18:14.34 | Argafal | cahoot: thnks. luvcview works, mplayer /dev/video0 doesn't. |
| 18:14.54 | valdyn | Argafal: mplayer /dev/video0 never ever works |
| 18:15.06 | cahoot | mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:normid=4:input=0:amode=1:width=384:height=240: out |
| 18:15.06 | cahoot | fmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
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| 18:15.20 | Argafal | ah :) things are getting clearer. htank you so much@! |
| 18:15.21 | cahoot | f ex |
| 18:15.33 | jelly-home | dedid: anyway. install mlocate or locate. |
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| 18:15.55 | twobitsprite | hmm... I just had a kernel panic :( |
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| 18:16.25 | cahoot | Argafal: in my meagre experience mplayer is the least resource consuming method |
| 18:16.31 | twobitsprite | Is this the right place to post kernel stack traces, or should I go to the mailing list? |
| 18:16.45 | Argafal | great, so it is (why am i not surprised) skype's fault. cause mplayer and luvcview work very well. |
| 18:16.49 | DevilChaos | is anyone aware of what dmcrypt uses as the default encryption for device mapper through the debian installer? |
| 18:17.04 | DevilChaos | cypher and key size? |
| 18:17.13 | Argafal | DevilChaos: yes, it is mentioned in the manpage. |
| 18:17.26 | DevilChaos | ah checking now |
| 18:18.00 | Argafal | hash is ripemd160, cipher depends on luks or noneluks. (aes-cbc-plain vs aes-cbc- essiv:sha256 |
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| 18:18.12 | DevilChaos | Blade:/home/devil# man dmcrypt |
| 18:18.12 | DevilChaos | No manual entry for dmcrypt |
| 18:18.19 | Argafal | try cryptsetup |
| 18:19.46 | Argafal | do i need any other steps for the webcam? ekiga claims it couldn't open the device /dev/video0 |
| 18:20.17 | cahoot | Argafal: permissions? |
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| 18:20.22 | Argafal | that's incorrect, it claims it can't "Error while opening video device USB 2.0 Camera", configured as v4l. |
| 18:20.30 | Argafal | cahoot: i tried as root as well. |
| 18:20.52 | Argafal | and my user is in group video, device belongs to root.video, 660. |
| 18:20.53 | valdyn | Argafal: have you tried mplayer command with v4l instead of v4l2 ? |
| 18:21.00 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.02 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.04 | xand | argh |
| 18:21.06 | Strath | (installing backports linux-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 depends on linux-base >=2.6.32-11~bpo50+1) I'm getting an error Setting up linux base 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1 "Invalid output format udev" /linux base.postinst line 1004, <STDIN> line 10. is this an error in the package or something i'm doing wrong? |
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| 18:21.54 | Argafal | valdyn: fails, though i don't yet really understand what i'm doing, planning to do and what might be wrong http://nopaste.info/37b015bd35.html |
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| 18:23.54 | valdyn | Argafal: thats ok, it should work as it is |
| 18:24.16 | valdyn | Argafal: only one app can access it at a time |
| 18:24.29 | Argafal | i guess there was no other app running? |
| 18:24.38 | DevilChaos | Argafal:dmsetup has lead me to find out what devices are encrypted on the drive have you used this before? |
| 18:24.41 | valdyn | Argafal: not after you killed the mplayer that worked |
| 18:24.43 | jelly-home | Strath: can you pastebin the whole output of that installation command? |
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| 18:25.09 | Argafal | DevilChaos: can you please rephrase that? i don't really understand what youj mean, sorry |
| 18:25.23 | Argafal | valdyn: cause it didn't close the device, is that what you are saying? |
| 18:25.33 | Strath | one min jelly-home... |
| 18:25.46 | Argafal | valdyn: well, but with v4l2 it works, even after killing and restarting. |
| 18:25.50 | valdyn | Argafal: if you killed the mplayer while it worked ( and thus had to be the only device using it ), its free for other apps |
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| 18:26.02 | Argafal | valdyn: yeah, that is what i did. |
| 18:26.18 | valdyn | Argafal: tvtime will probably work too |
| 18:26.19 | Argafal | valdyn: but how does that bring me closer to the origin of the problem? |
| 18:26.27 | valdyn | Argafal: so try it, |
| 18:26.44 | valdyn | Argafal: maybe skype is using the wrong device.., maybe ekiga is |
| 18:27.24 | Argafal | mh. lets talk ekiga, cause it is OSS. i can select "V4L" and then it automatically offers "USB Camera 2.0" which is the descriptive string the device seems to use. |
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| 18:27.36 | valdyn | Argafal: do you have a tv tuner too? |
| 18:27.39 | Argafal | no. |
| 18:27.43 | cVsup | Hi, /etc/network/interfaces have directive include? |
| 18:27.50 | DevilChaos | Argafal:ok so i have gotten info from the dmcrypt wiki and uses dmsetup which tells me the logical volumes on my drive that are encrypted but not how to tell what cypher is used |
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| 18:28.15 | DevilChaos | cVsup:directive ? |
| 18:28.25 | Argafal | DevilChaos: i see. i don't know how to do that. but did you divert from defaults when you set them up? |
| 18:28.34 | DevilChaos | no |
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| 18:28.43 | DevilChaos | i alowed the installer to do it |
| 18:28.46 | Argafal | DevilChaos: is it luks or from the time before luks existed/got popular? |
| 18:28.55 | valdyn | DevilChaos: part of the point of encryption is *hiding* that or how it was encrypted |
| 18:29.02 | osmosis | any idea why all traffic would be making it through these iptables rules even though the REJECT is clearly shown? http://dpaste.com/186612/ |
| 18:29.06 | DevilChaos | yeah i know |
| 18:29.19 | Argafal | valdyn: no. i don't agree. that would be security by obscurity. |
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| 18:29.26 | valdyn | Argafal: no |
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| 18:29.33 | valdyn | Argafal: thats very basic cryptography |
| 18:29.34 | DevilChaos | but it shouldnt from me as im working in the encrypted enviro just now unlocked ! |
| 18:29.42 | kself | Not in BTS AFAICT. Anyone else seen it? |
| 18:29.52 | kself | Bug I'm seeing in WindowMaker (wmaker 0.92.0-8): I can't add icons to the dock. |
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| 18:30.00 | valdyn | Argafal: and beside that its illegal to encrypt some places |
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| 18:30.14 | kself | (erm: out-of-order scrollback paste, comments are). |
| 18:30.39 | Argafal | valdyn: that's not the point. point is the principle is open and not hidden, so are the sizes and algorithms. and still i consider this encryption safe. |
| 18:30.39 | cVsup | DevilChaos yes i can insert other files in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | Argafal: or not useful for 3rd party to know that you have content |
| 18:30.56 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Actually, it's legal to encrypt, but illegal to distribute some encryption technology. |
| 18:30.57 | Argafal | valdyn: ok, i'm willing to accept THAT point. |
| 18:30.58 | cVsup | DevilChaos include "/etc/network/eth1" |
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| 18:31.01 | jelly-home | yoda talk here, preferred isn't |
| 18:31.22 | DevilChaos | cVsetup: man page should help you out |
| 18:31.22 | Strath | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/Hkd2Npnt |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i said "some places" im not talking about countries where its legal |
| 18:32.30 | cVsup | DevilChaos i not find anythink. |
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| 18:32.39 | DevilChaos | Argafal: its not luks its dm crypt if it were luks it would be loop aes and id have half an idea |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | osmosis: you'd probably want to ask #netfilter |
| 18:32.43 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: It's not encryption that's illegal, it's the distribution of the technology. |
| 18:32.48 | cVsup | DevilChaos i not found anythink. |
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| 18:33.07 | jelly-home | Strath: the perl error ("Undefined subroutine...") seems likely to be a bug |
| 18:33.08 | DevilChaos | cVsetup what is it exactly you are trying to do? |
| 18:33.13 | nsadmin | , maint openacs |
| 18:33.14 | judd | Package openacs version 5.5.1-3 was uploaded by Francesco Paolo Lovergine, last changed by Francesco Paolo Lovergine and maintained by Hector Romojaro. |
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| 18:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: If you have an example of a law that makes it illegal to encrypt your own data I'd like to see it. |
| 18:33.26 | nsadmin | , maint aolserver |
| 18:33.28 | judd | Package aolserver version 3.5.6-7 was uploaded by Francesco Paolo Lovergine, last changed by Francesco Paolo Lovergine and maintained by Francesco Paolo Lovergine. |
| 18:34.00 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: " France, Iran and Iraq are countries where encryption is illegal." |
| 18:34.09 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: random google quote |
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| 18:34.30 | nsadmin | 3.5?? that's -ancient-, it's from like 2000\ |
| 18:34.44 | nsadmin | oh, wrong name :) |
| 18:34.46 | jelly-home | nsadmin: tell yourself about msg the bot? |
| 18:34.50 | nsadmin | , maint aolserver4 |
| 18:34.52 | judd | Package aolserver4 version 4.5.1-14 was uploaded by Francesco Paolo Lovergine, last changed by Francesco Paolo Lovergine and maintained by Francesco Paolo Lovergine. |
| 18:35.01 | nsadmin | that's the one :) |
| 18:35.03 | DevilChaos | cVsetup: do you have more than 1 ethernet to setup on your pc? |
| 18:35.05 | Argafal | DevilChaos: so why don't you try the nonluks parameters from the cryptsetup manpage then? that's what i did last time for an old dmsetup partition and it worked. |
| 18:35.19 | nsadmin | all done :) |
| 18:35.32 | abrotman | themill: can you have that "last changed" include a date also ? |
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| 18:36.28 | cVsup | DevilChaos yes |
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| 18:37.02 | jelly-home | Strath: perhaps someone in #debian-kernel (irc.oftc.net) would have an idea about this failure mode. |
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| 18:37.57 | cVsup | DevilChaos i use mapping directive |
| 18:38.57 | Strath | jelly-home, i tried linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 instead and in seemed to install cleanly |
| 18:39.34 | tlir | any ideas whats up with those messages from apt http://pastebin.com/AxydZKBi ? I've just gone an etch -> stable (lenny) upgrade |
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| 18:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Looks like France repealed it's restrictions in 1999... |
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| 18:41.40 | DevilChaos | can someone check this for me and tell me what they think please http://pastebin.com/jnpY7fbh |
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| 18:43.10 | DevilChaos | i think its 256bit encryption which should be good enough in my book anyway |
| 18:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: I woudl proceede with the upgrade, it will probably resolve the problem. |
| 18:44.10 | d3x | considering that 768bit rsa has been cracked, 256bit is just like plaintext |
| 18:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: Possibly you should do a full-upgrade when it's done. |
| 18:44.49 | DevilChaos | ah ok |
| 18:45.23 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: what's worrying about is it it's saying it's going to remove some packages which I need (like webserver's php5 mod, phpmyadmin, etc) |
| 18:45.24 | Strath | jelly-home, Titan8990, valdyn, wols: Thank you very much, my RAID controller is working now and i can cancel my openSUSE torrent download ;) |
| 18:45.27 | DevilChaos | d3x:how would i go about upgrading> |
| 18:45.31 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 18:45.40 | d3x | DevilChaos, dunno, i don't encrypt my drives :) |
| 18:46.03 | DevilChaos | ok ty |
| 18:46.08 | d3x | np |
| 18:46.27 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: Do the full-upgrade first then. There's no reason you can't have those packages in lenny, it's just a matter of what steps get you there. |
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| 18:47.13 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: I'll post my /etc/apt/sources.lst just in case so you can take a look :) |
| 18:47.50 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/VCBX31TV |
| 18:47.59 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: it's a server. is that ok? |
| 18:48.09 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: probably too late to ask since I've already done the upgrade stuff :) |
| 18:48.52 | DevilChaos | thanks for info dudes peace ;) |
| 18:49.19 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: have you done an aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 18:50.32 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: not yet |
| 18:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: That should resolve some of the issues. |
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| 18:51.02 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: ok, running that now then |
| 18:51.38 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: ahh, that ended up really bad |
| 18:51.45 | fatalerrors | hi everybody |
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| 18:52.37 | fatalerrors | i would like to create a boot harddrive with several boot cd |
| 18:53.06 | fatalerrors | can I ask grub to boot an iso image and how can i do that? |
| 18:53.07 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: It's probably not as bad as it looks. I would change the "stable" entries in your sources to "lenny". |
| 18:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | !tell tlir about etch->lenny |
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| 18:53.59 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: thats how it looks now: http://pastebin.com/J6e4vpKb |
| 18:54.13 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: to change sources to lenny and then what? |
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| 18:54.38 | fatalerrors | is chainloading on the iso image will work? |
| 18:54.41 | imox1234 | hello, i have installed a very simple raid 1 system. but how can i boot from the second HDD |
| 18:54.56 | imox1234 | i can only boot from the first hdd |
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| 18:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: Fixing the sources is just a precaution against future surprizes. |
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| 18:56.24 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: alright, doing that, then update then dist-upgrade |
| 18:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: It looks like maybe you had some non-standard etch packages. Did you do a full-upgrade on etch prior to switching to lenny? |
| 18:56.31 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: lets see what that will yield |
| 18:56.45 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: no, just upgrade |
| 18:56.54 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: but I don't remember anything non standard in the packages |
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| 18:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: Ah, that was probably what caused the problems. Should be pretty easy to get it ironed out. |
| 18:57.45 | jhutchins_lt | Some packages get renamed or consolidated. |
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| 18:57.55 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: well not sure how to deal with the errors now |
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| 18:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: try aptitude -f install |
| 18:59.02 | tlir | nope, same errors |
| 18:59.47 | gemis | I have 3Com 3c905C ethernet card but it's on 10mb/s mode it should be on 100mb/s mode, the instructions online only affect the terminal output not the actual speed or the lights on the card |
| 18:59.51 | imox1234 | hrello ? |
| 18:59.57 | imox1234 | can somebody help me please ? |
| 19:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | tlir: Ok, I'm gonna defer to someone who's more familiar with dpkg stuff then. Usually you can cycle through this stuff pretty well. At worst you can uninstall (not purge) then reinstall |
| 19:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | 'cause we know samba works fine in lenny. |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | imox1234: you left out details, like RAID setup (sw? hw?), an error message? stuff like that |
| 19:01.01 | imox1234 | software RAID 1 |
| 19:01.13 | imox1234 | and i can only boot from hd0 |
| 19:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Can you have a look at tlir's stuck packages? I gotta go do horse stuff in the rain. |
| 19:01.22 | imox1234 | i want boot from hd0 and hd1 |
| 19:01.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: eww .. stuck packages! |
| 19:01.31 | imox1234 | what i have to do ? |
| 19:01.52 | tlir | jhutchins_lt: some errors I "understand" it's complaining about mknod creation, probably cause it's a vserver and it doesn't have permissions |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | tlir: let me reread the backscroll |
| 19:02.01 | tlir | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | tlir: btw, your sources should point at 'lenny' not 'stable' |
| 19:02.28 | tlir | abrotman: changed that now |
| 19:02.48 | tlir | abrotman: when jhutchins told me so and then re-did the update, full-upgrade and finally dist-upgrade though it didn't resolve the packages thing |
| 19:02.54 | imox1234 | ?? |
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| 19:03.40 | abrotman | tlir: hold on a sec .. i'm reading :) |
| 19:03.57 | tlir | abrotman: alright, thanks |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | tlir: dpkg -l util-linux .. what is the version ? |
| 19:04.11 | tlir | abrotman: maybe I should pastebin the updated aptitude errors |
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| 19:04.23 | tlir | abrotman: rc util-linux 2.12r-19etch1 Miscellaneous system utilities |
| 19:04.27 | imox1234 | abrotman: you need more information ? |
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| 19:05.04 | abrotman | imox1234: i didn't say i knew, i just said you were leaving out details |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | tlir: this is going to be interesting ... |
| 19:05.39 | tlir | abrotman: :-) |
| 19:05.41 | imox1234 | which details ? i have installed Software RAID 1 and i want to boot from both HDD i can only boot from the first HDD |
| 19:05.44 | tlir | abrotman: I messed it up huh? |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | imox1234: the more details you can give, the better .. i don't use swraid |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | tlir: i386 ? |
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| 19:06.14 | imox1234 | i will give you more details but i dont know :-) sorry |
| 19:06.22 | tlir | abrotman: uname -a spits out: Linux daloradius 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 03:47:07 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | tlir: wget http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/util-linux/util-linux_2.13.1.1-1_amd64.deb .. then |
| 19:07.05 | SerajewelKS | no wonder nobody has backported icedove 3. you have to backport all kinds of shit like automake1.11 and dpkg-dev |
| 19:07.05 | abrotman | then 'dpkg -i util-linux_2.13.1.1-1_amd64.deb' |
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| 19:07.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: duh :) |
| 19:07.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: I SHALL SUCCEED DAMMIT |
| 19:07.29 | jc_ | imox1234: you can boot from either drives...check out the article by falko on Howtoforge |
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| 19:07.39 | tlir | abrotman: complains about amd64 does not match system (i386) |
| 19:07.49 | imox1234 | how ? |
| 19:07.54 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 19:07.55 | tlir | abrotman: I'll get the i386 version then |
| 19:08.00 | abrotman | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/u/util-linux/util-linux_2.13.1.1-1_i386.deb |
| 19:08.08 | tlir | abrotman: yep already beat you to it :) |
| 19:08.14 | imox1234 | jc_: can you give me the link please ;) ? |
| 19:08.15 | tlir | abrotman: ok that ended up well, what's next? |
| 19:08.29 | tlir | abrotman: ii util-linux 2.13.1.1-1 Miscellaneous system utilities |
| 19:08.48 | abrotman | tlir: aptitude -f install ? |
| 19:09.07 | tlir | abrotman: running, let's see |
| 19:09.29 | jc_ | it's a grub thing...hold on a sec |
| 19:09.29 | tlir | abrotman: nicely done! |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | follows jhutchins_lt to play with the horses |
| 19:09.50 | tlir | abrotman: genius, thank you. |
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| 19:10.02 | tlir | abrotman: should I be taking any further steps? full-upgrade or whatever? |
| 19:10.07 | jc_ | imox1234: http://www.howtoforge.org/how-to-set-up-software-raid1-on-a-running-system-incl-grub-configuration-debian-lenny |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | tlir: yes, full-upgrade |
| 19:10.53 | tlir | ok I will |
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| 19:12.35 | themill | abrotman: yeah, sounds like a good idea. (There's also "recent packagename, btw") |
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| 19:13.15 | abrotman | a who ? |
| 19:13.20 | imox1234 | jc_: there stand only how can I install the bootloader on both device, but this dont work. i have the bootloader on both device but i can boot from, i need the MDR or so |
| 19:13.31 | themill | ,recent aolserver4 |
| 19:13.32 | judd | Package aolserver4 recent uploads: 4.5.1-14 2010-03-23, 4.5.1-13 2010-03-22, 4.5.1-12 2010-01-19, 4.5.1-11 2009-12-18, 4.5.1-10 2009-12-12, 4.5.1-9 2009-12-11, 4.5.1-8 2009-11-03, 4.5.1-7 2009-10-14, 4.5.1-6 2009-09-02, 4.5.1-5 2009-06-22. |
| 19:13.34 | imox1234 | jc_: and this is not in this tut. |
| 19:13.35 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 19:14.25 | jc_ | imox1234: in the example you end up by having the bootloader on both drives |
| 19:14.32 | helo | what is the easiest way to install a -rt kernel in sid? |
| 19:14.48 | helo | the latest sid kernel doesn't have a -rt patch :/ |
| 19:14.49 | imox1234 | jc_: ok dont help. |
| 19:15.02 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 19:15.02 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 19:15.17 | imox1234 | jc_: I say I DONT HAVE, and in need help |
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| 19:16.49 | helo | fair enough |
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| 19:17.37 | SerajewelKS | imox1234: if you abuse those trying to help you, you are not going to get much help from anyone |
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| 19:17.46 | jc_ | imox1234; sorry it did not help |
| 19:17.48 | Hyperi | Hi, I'm wondering why tar zcvf doesn't include files like .htaccess ? |
| 19:18.12 | themill | Hyperi: it does? |
| 19:18.15 | valdyn | Hyperi: im sure theres an extra switch for hidden files |
| 19:18.24 | Hyperi | Tried to read the man page, didn't find anything |
| 19:18.28 | valdyn | Hyperi: ( if it really doesn't ) |
| 19:18.40 | SerajewelKS | imox1234: is the raid1 around both of the disks, or around partitions of those disks? |
| 19:18.53 | themill | Hyperi: what's the exact command line you are using? |
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| 19:19.59 | Hyperi | tar zcvf file.tgz dir/ |
| 19:20.16 | imox1234 | SerajewelKS: i have only one partition on every device in raid. and a swap partiton and this is not in raid |
| 19:20.20 | justin | Hyperi: sure you are running that and not tar zcvf file.tgz dir/* ? |
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| 19:20.35 | Hyperi | justin: Yes. |
| 19:20.35 | valdyn | Hyperi: that command includes dot files |
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| 19:20.47 | Hyperi | Maybe I remember it badly toward sftp with lftp |
| 19:20.50 | Hyperi | Testing now |
| 19:21.06 | SerajewelKS | imox1234: so is the raid around partitions? (this is not the same thing as having volumes inside the raid) |
| 19:21.21 | imox1234 | hmm |
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| 19:21.28 | imox1234 | mist |
| 19:21.31 | imox1234 | ;( |
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| 19:23.29 | flo_ | how can i find out which packages were current for lenny in 2009? |
| 19:23.35 | flo_ | on the 30.5.09` |
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| 19:23.58 | flo_ | i have a driver problem, and it seems to exist since that day... so maybe i could use an older driver |
| 19:24.21 | wols | flo_: same kernel mostly, just with a few more security holes |
| 19:24.32 | wols | ie it still is 2.6.26 as it was back then |
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| 19:24.42 | wols | flo_: snapshot.debian.org should be able to help |
| 19:24.43 | flo_ | wols, well. obviously a different driver or userspace |
| 19:24.47 | flo_ | or whatever-behavious |
| 19:24.50 | flo_ | -s+r |
| 19:24.55 | flo_ | anything which broke the system |
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| 19:31.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so maybe it's time for a chroot instead :) |
| 19:32.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if i mound --bind enough shit maybe i can even run it on my existing X desktop! |
| 19:33.00 | SerajewelKS | mount* |
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| 19:35.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:36.23 | SerajewelKS | it will be an adventure anyway... |
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| 19:38.58 | Gm4n | what's the best way to decode a MIME attachment on an email? I have it in text form. |
| 19:39.10 | meshuggah | hi, how can i mount a usb external drive in debian? |
| 19:40.01 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: with "mount" |
| 19:40.20 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: if you are using a fairly recent desktop environment, it might automount it for you |
| 19:40.47 | khaleel5000 | hey guys, i have debian sid, on hp dv5 1215tx lappy with Broadcomm BCM 4312 , i have read debian wiki , when i try to connect to my wirelss network via k manager, it just shows eth3 as disconnected (eth3 is my wirelss network according to iwconfig |
| 19:41.09 | amphi | meshuggah: pmount lets you mount removable devices as $USER FWIW |
| 19:41.10 | khaleel5000 | i followed debian wiki's steps to setup connection |
| 19:41.23 | khaleel5000 | what to do now? any suggestions? |
| 19:42.32 | meshuggah | amphi, ?!! |
| 19:42.37 | meshuggah | pmount do noithing |
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| 19:43.18 | meshuggah | i am a complete idiot, btw |
| 19:43.43 | macrobat | meshuggah: does the drive show up with lsusb? or in /dev/ or with dmesg? |
| 19:43.56 | meshuggah | sda |
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| 19:44.16 | meshuggah | i think it is pre-formatted in ntfs |
| 19:44.24 | meshuggah | just bought it, 30 minutes ago |
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| 19:44.53 | meshuggah | i tried mount -t ntfs /dev/sda /mnt/external |
| 19:45.01 | Intensive | Hey guys, I am wondering if there is any command based torrent make? |
| 19:45.30 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: have you tried /dev/sda1? |
| 19:45.33 | wols | meshuggah: if anything it is FAT. never ntfs |
| 19:45.37 | meshuggah | didnt exist |
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| 19:45.44 | meshuggah | sda1 dont exist |
| 19:45.52 | wols | meshuggah: if it didn't exist then there is nothing preformatted |
| 19:45.53 | macrobat | meshuggah: install ntfs-3g to mount it, or make another fs on it |
| 19:45.55 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: shrug... format it with something better then :) |
| 19:46.04 | meshuggah | macrobat, thank |
| 19:46.09 | SerajewelKS | wols: or the entire disk is the volume |
| 19:46.17 | SerajewelKS | wols: many removable drives come formatted that way |
| 19:46.27 | meshuggah | SerajewelKS, does winshit xp can read ext3? |
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| 19:46.34 | wols | not nowadays SerajewelKS |
| 19:46.38 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: not without a third-party driver |
| 19:46.42 | erkk | hi. i need some help with SSH, I get "Unable to get term attr: Invalid argument" whenever I try to push to a remote git repository. |
| 19:46.51 | SerajewelKS | wols: fry's begs to differ :) |
| 19:47.08 | meshuggah | seller said it was ready to use |
| 19:48.10 | wols | SerajewelKS: even usb sticks have partitions. and ever seen what windows thinks of a harddisk without partition table? |
| 19:48.18 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: "ready to use" can have one of a bazillion meanings |
| 19:48.25 | SerajewelKS | meshuggah: in practical terms, it means exactly nothing |
| 19:48.32 | wols | meshuggah: then fdisk -l should tell you something. and "less /dev/sda" too |
| 19:48.40 | meshuggah | SerajewelKS, i asked if it means cable and preformated in fucking winshit ntfs |
| 19:48.43 | meshuggah | he answered yes |
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| 19:48.45 | SerajewelKS | and don't forget "file -s /dev/sda" |
| 19:48.56 | meshuggah | i only want to copy mp3 |
| 19:49.00 | meshuggah | gonna use a livecd |
| 19:49.16 | meshuggah | before i send this computer flying by the window |
| 19:50.38 | meshuggah | this pc, the one i write use sabayon, it is gonna load it without problem |
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| 19:52.45 | meshuggah | <3 sabayon |
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| 19:53.07 | meshuggah | thank for your help btw |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | what does sabayon have to do with Debian ? |
| 19:53.19 | meshuggah | absolutely nothing |
| 19:53.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i win |
| 19:53.25 | meshuggah | except it mount hard drive |
| 19:53.36 | meshuggah | without the idiot user(me) writing gibberish |
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| 19:58.29 | ehc | it seems commands in my .bashrc are only run when i open a shell, not when I login. is there another location I can put them to be run on login? |
| 19:58.40 | azeem_ | ~/.bash_profile |
| 19:58.40 | apt | source ~/.bashrc |
| 19:58.56 | dondelelcaro | ehc: man bash; and read about INVOCATION for details |
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| 20:04.32 | meshuggah | abrotman, but dont worry i liked the stability of debian for 1 yr |
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| 20:05.23 | meshuggah | mandriva didnt detected |
| 20:05.30 | meshuggah | gonna check the partition in gparted |
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| 20:14.02 | ax-ax | hello |
| 20:14.19 | ax-ax | i can't use certain flash objects |
| 20:14.45 | ax-ax | nothing happens when i click buttons and such, and the settings window freezes |
| 20:14.54 | ax-ax | in iceweasel, with flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:15.17 | abrotman | yay flash on linux |
| 20:15.28 | ax-ax | :( |
| 20:15.42 | TheLady | Anyone here have any idea of what to use to create a .torrent file? |
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| 20:18.47 | ax-ax | about any gui-torrent-clients can do it, but there are stand-alone cli-scripts for that if you want |
| 20:19.02 | ax-ax | can't remember what they're called though |
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| 20:19.34 | TheLady | Yeah I thought I'd like a console thingie and not a gui one |
| 20:19.42 | meshuggah | unallocated this external drive partition was |
| 20:20.11 | amphi | meshuggah: you mean it had no filesystem on it? |
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| 20:20.19 | meshuggah | amphi, yup |
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| 20:20.49 | meshuggah | amphi, formatting with gparted, 1tgb = ext3, and 1/2 tgb ntfs |
| 20:20.50 | amphi | nice, quite rare for an external drive these days |
| 20:21.04 | amphi | tgb? |
| 20:21.08 | meshuggah | uh |
| 20:21.09 | meshuggah | sorry |
| 20:21.10 | meshuggah | Tb |
| 20:21.18 | amphi | ah |
| 20:22.20 | meshuggah | 1/3 of it ntfs, to use when i go somewhere, i am the only one i know who use linux... |
| 20:22.23 | meshuggah | (except on net) |
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| 20:25.00 | ReeF | how block ultrasurf using iptables? |
| 20:25.27 | valdyn | ReeF: maybe after you told us what ultrasurf is / does |
| 20:26.14 | shylent | you dont need iptables for that. just don't run ultrasurf, whatever that is |
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| 20:26.44 | valdyn | must be a vpn if it does what it claims to do |
| 20:27.01 | ReeF | I'm using iptables with layer7 |
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| 20:27.08 | ReeF | string and ipp2p |
| 20:27.26 | valdyn | ReeF: i doubt that is necessary if its just a vpn |
| 20:27.33 | shylent | can't you just block the ports it is using? |
| 20:27.39 | ReeF | but, not want vpn |
| 20:27.47 | valdyn | ReeF: why do you want to block it though? |
| 20:28.05 | valdyn | ReeF: people could use a different vpn or tor or whatever |
| 20:28.52 | valdyn | but this site looks like a scam to me |
| 20:29.13 | ReeF | I block the port 9666 |
| 20:29.15 | ReeF | tcp |
| 20:29.18 | ReeF | not work |
| 20:29.24 | shylent | if you need to restrict the 'web browsing' from within your network, you simply block all http and only allow it though a proxy you can control (like squid). with a proxy you can really go wild with censorship |
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| 20:29.48 | shylent | just block everything, rather than http |
| 20:30.11 | valdyn | then ill just use an http based vpn? |
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| 20:30.57 | shylent | well, yes, I still need to know where is your vpn gateway and block it on the proxy rather |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | how does ultrasurf finance itself? |
| 20:31.03 | shylent | :P |
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| 20:32.03 | ReeF | I dont understand |
| 20:32.15 | valdyn | ReeF: and youre a network admin? |
| 20:32.20 | ReeF | yes |
| 20:32.28 | ReeF | I'm system administration |
| 20:32.32 | ReeF | in Brazil |
| 20:32.56 | ReeF | I'm studying about security |
| 20:33.10 | ReeF | I use Debian |
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| 20:35.31 | ReeF | valdyn, Can I use the match string of iptables for block this? |
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| 20:36.19 | dec3pti0n | is there anyway to avoid apt-get upgrade from asking stuff like *** blacklist-framebuffer.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? |
| 20:36.22 | valdyn | "Ultrasurf is malware" |
| 20:36.24 | valdyn | alrighty |
| 20:36.41 | valdyn | ReeF-Brazil: as far as i can see blocking that port is sufficient |
| 20:36.46 | dec3pti0n | I pass the -y --force-yes but that is no good |
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| 20:37.34 | themill | dec3pti0n: don't edit those files is normally the best way, but it doesn't always work out. |
| 20:37.35 | pyrophelia | could somebody refresh my memory pls. How do you create a new intramfs for a new kernel image? I don't remember the commands |
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| 20:37.49 | valdyn | ReeF-Brazil: you need to clean those computers that are running ultrasurf too though |
| 20:38.06 | valdyn | ReeF-Brazil: why match string? you only need to block a port |
| 20:38.12 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: if you are using kernel-package, check out /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
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| 20:39.44 | ReeF-Brazil | valdyn, ok, I'll see the port |
| 20:39.51 | pyrophelia | Titan8990, no idea what that is. All I know is I can't boot the system without a intramfs that matches the the kernel |
| 20:39.59 | valdyn | ReeF-Brazil: and clean the computers running ultrasurf, its serious malware |
| 20:40.36 | valdyn | ReeF-Brazil: but maybe you knew that already... |
| 20:41.05 | Titan8990 | pyrophelia: so your not compiling it the debian way? |
| 20:41.09 | ax-ax | what's wrong with my flash? |
| 20:41.13 | Arrowmaster | pyrophelia: update-initramfs might help, but it also might not be enough |
| 20:41.15 | ax-ax | nothing happens when i click buttons and such, and the settings window freezes |
| 20:41.20 | ax-ax | in iceweasel, with flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:51.06 | mirak_ | hi |
| 20:51.21 | mirak_ | what size sould be a bios grub partition with gpt ? |
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| 21:04.43 | dblur | hello, |
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| 21:05.13 | dblur | what do iso's of such http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-update-5.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso contain exatcly? |
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| 21:06.02 | dblur | would i use that to update the minimal installation of debian that i get via debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 21:06.53 | themill | !update cd |
| 21:06.53 | dpkg | From the Debian CD image FAQ: "Update CDs are CDs which contain all the packages that changed between the rev0 and a later revN release of the current stable distribution." These are not installation images and therefore not bootable; ask me about <install debian> for installation images. Also ask me about <apt-cdrom> and <iso>. |
| 21:06.55 | spersaud | dblur: no obviously if the image is 504 its already updated |
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| 21:07.37 | dblur | !install debian |
| 21:07.37 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 21:07.51 | dblur | !apt-cdrom |
| 21:07.51 | dpkg | i heard apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>. |
| 21:07.53 | spersaud | dblur: if you have a 5.0 image you can always do aptitude update && aptitude dist-uprade |
| 21:08.18 | dblur | spersaud: the internet connection is very poor here. |
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| 21:09.16 | spersaud | dblur: oh ok, that sucks, good luck |
| 21:11.44 | dblur | themill,spersaud : would i just add the cd to sources.list and do aptitude update && aptitude dist-uprade? |
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| 21:12.28 | themill | a "safe-upgrade" should be sufficient. You might also like to "/msg dpkg apt-zip" if you have another machine elsewhere with better network access |
| 21:13.00 | dblur | i c |
| 21:13.15 | dblur | themill : but would that work ? |
| 21:13.49 | dblur | because i'm going to be updating at 30kb/sec and thats gona take time. |
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| 21:14.03 | smhar | I have a problem with apt-cacher stopping running. it just connection errors. and I think I know the reason. the partition which set to save the packages is Full. now what is the solution. there is a script that is supposed to 'clean' old packages but it gives errors and does not continue. what should I do? |
| 21:14.21 | dblur | but atm i've got access to a 200kb/sec downstream link so was looking for a way to get everything needed downloaded now for installation and update later |
| 21:14.38 | dblur | feasible? |
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| 21:15.28 | dupondje | Somebody knows how to get coredumping on apache working. I set everything, but it only generated a core dump when I do a kill -11, but not when a page causes the segfault ... |
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| 21:22.41 | dpkg | amma22: VATTENE VIA |
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| 21:28.24 | fas3r | can i do smtps over http ? i mean use the port 80 or 443 to send crypt mail by http(s) port ? |
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| 21:32.21 | karsten | fas3r: If your mailserver is configured to listen at that port, yes. |
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| 21:32.42 | vin | How do I get aufs in squeeze? |
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| 21:33.11 | fas3r | karsten, but if i have a web serve who listen on port 800 or 443 it will not to be in conflict ? |
| 21:33.18 | fas3r | port 80* |
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| 21:37.02 | newbie-friendly | i have a very old Celeron 366 MHz 192MB RAM laptop. Since its IDE connector is broken and using an internal hard disk is impossible, i installed lenny ONTO a 16gig usb flash drive. The problem is that the bios does not support booting from USB but it can certianly boot from CD and floppy. Will the cd rescue mode allow me to boot off the USB flash drive? |
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| 21:38.35 | fas3r | newbie-friendly, no i dont think |
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| 21:39.50 | fas3r | have you try to boot on the floopy disk in the bios some old computer use floppy disk property to boot on usb ... |
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| 21:40.08 | cynic^ | if you just configure mail server and web to lsiten on 80, yes, you'll get problems |
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| 21:41.20 | sylar | is it possible to connect one wireless NIC to multiple routers? |
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| 21:41.40 | newbie-friendly | After installing lenny onto the 16gig usb flash drive, i proceeded to boot from the Lenny install CD1 and choose rescue mode. However, I can only see 4 options (rescue operations) which are: (ONE) Execute a shell in /dev/sda1 (TWO) Execute a shell in the installer environment (THREE) Reinstall GRUB boot loader (THREE) Choose a different root file system (FOUR) Reboot the system |
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| 21:43.29 | newbie-friendly | fas3r, the bios allows booting off floppy but i do not understand your actual advice |
| 21:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: No, you can't have two services listening on the same port. |
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| 21:44.51 | fas3r | jhutchins, what the best way i got ... : / |
| 21:44.54 | macrobat | newbie-friendly: there is supergrubdisk, put that on a floppy |
| 21:45.17 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: Let me guess, your'e trying to get around a firewall, right? |
| 21:45.21 | fas3r | newbie-friendly, for example on my T40 (thinkpad) i configure the bios to boot on floppy drive and i can boot on the usb key |
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| 21:46.33 | fas3r | yes something like that .. but if you prefer i use external smtp to send mail (on dedicated server) but i got problem for example in hotel .. they just allow 80 and 443 ... so can i bypass this : / |
| 21:46.38 | newbie-friendly | macrobat, my only other working machine is a NETBOOK running ubuntu 9..10. The netbook does not have a floppy drive |
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| 21:49.21 | Rezagrats | Would i have to re-install Debian 5.0.4 if i swap motherboards? |
| 21:49.48 | macrobat | Rezagrats: you may have to rebuild the initrd |
| 21:50.07 | macrobat | and make some adjustments |
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| 21:50.20 | macrobat | i mean initramfs |
| 21:50.45 | Rezagrats | For if/when i do it, is there a guide to use? |
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| 21:53.12 | dupondje | http://pastebin.com/cn3Lxjtk => could somebody check this? and give my an idea of the cause ? |
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| 21:55.55 | macrobat | newbie-friendly: so use a live-cd on the machine. download floppy image and write it :) |
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| 21:56.15 | fapchirk | dupondje, I don't know really... if other version fail too, it is maybe your ram |
| 21:57.10 | newbie-friendly | macrobat, download floppy image and write it? how can i do that on the Celeron 366 MHz laptop? |
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| 21:59.43 | macrobat | newbie-friendly: you dont have a live cd? maybe it can be done in the shell from the installer. otherwise, borrow someones computer :) |
| 22:00.28 | Gnurdux | hey may I make a shameless advertisement (for a digg article) |
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| 22:02.14 | themill | Gnurdux: no |
| 22:02.23 | Gnurdux | aww |
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| 22:03.04 | Gnurdux | it's certainly of interest to people here |
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| 22:09.40 | newbie-friendly | if i want to create a supergrubdisk floppy with the command dd if=/path/to/floppyimage of=/dev/fd0 Do I have to format the floppy first??? |
| 22:10.29 | aguitel | i installed gnome and then lxde ,how uninstall gnome and all of that ? |
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| 22:11.25 | fapchirk | aptitude remove gnome |
| 22:11.29 | macrobat | it doesnt hurt to format the floppy, i dont remember if its necessary |
| 22:11.46 | macrobat | i havent floppied in years |
| 22:14.09 | macrobat | !tell aguitel about remove gnome |
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| 22:22.44 | sylar | anyone knows some howto for broadband bonding? |
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| 22:23.38 | jair | guys, can I manage the time the monitor on debian will turn off with xscreensaver? I has been trying to set up the options on the Xorg config file and dpms but not luck yet =( |
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| 22:27.32 | fas3r | what's this port : 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931 ? |
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| 22:33.43 | sylar | jair, once someone set it in bios |
| 22:34.07 | sylar | jair, but I disabled the screen saver as it hoged the cpu |
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| 22:45.27 | tuv | an ralink wifi using the rt3090sta driver shows a rate of 54Mb/s until an actual network activity takes place, at which point the rate, as reported by iwconfig and actual transfer rates, drops to 1 Mb/s (iftop says ~170kB/s) |
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| 22:54.47 | Argafal | I'd like to swap two times two keys on my system. it will be sufficient if i can swap them in X. I currently use setxkmap us -option "compose:caps" to remap a compose key. what i want to do now is: swap Fn + Ctrl, swap F1 + ESC. Any hints for that? |
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| 22:57.49 | jair | sylar: sylar but I know there are some options to configure on the Xorg |
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| 22:59.21 | gramur | hi i am running debian squeeze and whenever I try to boot another OS for example Windows XP virtualbox and debian both freeze is there any way to correct this? |
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| 23:00.51 | dondelelcaro | gramur: freeze in what way? |
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| 23:01.03 | dondelelcaro | gramur: does sysreq work? does numlock toggle? does anything work? |
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| 23:01.50 | sylar | jair, I am not an expert on this, so keep looking, I also recommend ##gnome, if you use gnome |
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| 23:02.32 | jair | sylar: right I am using gnome. Here is the xorg and xset -q output just in case you remember anything of this: http://paste.debian.net/70267 |
| 23:03.33 | gramur | dondelelcaro: nothing works the mouse freezes the keyboard is unresponsive I would have to manually restart the computer again |
| 23:03.58 | sylar | jair, if you use gnome, then you can set the screensaver options also in system->settings->screensaver |
| 23:04.17 | sylar | sorry |
| 23:04.26 | sylar | system->preference->screensaver |
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| 23:05.15 | sylar | jair, and there is also power management there at the preferences |
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| 23:05.56 | sylar | night |
| 23:09.00 | \amethyst | gramur: how much RAM and how much are you assigning to the virtual machine? Also, what version of virtualbox? OSE or PUEL? |
| 23:09.58 | jair | sylar: alright man thanks |
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| 23:12.45 | \amethyst | gramur: and does it help to disable VT-X/AMD-V in virtualbox? (not possible with a 64-bit guest unfortunately) |
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| 23:13.04 | \amethyst | gramur: #vbox might have more suggestions of things to check/try |
| 23:14.02 | jair | sylar: you get that power management option in gnome if you install xscreensaver and power packages for gnome, I have the "core" gnome and I want to keep the system the lightest possible gnome already is a pig consuming memory |
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| 23:24.33 | gramur | amethyst: I have 2gb of ram and i gave half to windows xp running virtualbox ose 3.1.4 |
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| 23:25.38 | Samus_Aran | how can you list installed packages matching a search keyword with text-mode tools? |
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| 23:29.46 | chellomere | Samus_Aran, aptitude search 'kde~i' for example |
| 23:30.06 | chellomere | or you could grep in dpkg -l |
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| 23:32.17 | Samus_Aran | chellomere: where does one read about what the codes like "ii" mean? there's no "ii" in the dpkg man page |
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| 23:32.34 | themill | Samus_Aran: see the first three lines of the output of dpkg -l |
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| 23:33.32 | phogg | themill: that doesn't actually mention ii etc |
| 23:33.35 | Samus_Aran | themill: so it's three columns of desired/status/error ? |
| 23:34.02 | themill | phogg: you have to read it. |
| 23:34.04 | themill | Samus_Aran: yes |
| 23:34.04 | chellomere | phogg, yes it does |
| 23:34.10 | phogg | nonsense |
| 23:34.21 | Samus_Aran | it defines them, albeit in a rather confusing way |
| 23:34.27 | phogg | dpkg -l '*' | head -n 3 | grep ii |
| 23:34.27 | dpkg | ii '*' | head -n 3 | grep ii 1.2-5.1 phogg's private stamp collection |
| 23:34.31 | phogg | er, oops |
| 23:34.43 | phogg | what I'm saying is that it may document it somehow but it's not clear |
| 23:34.48 | themill | fail on so many levels |
| 23:34.59 | Samus_Aran | I especially like "uppercase=bad" |
| 23:35.00 | Samus_Aran | heh |
| 23:35.07 | themill | phogg: if you've got a better way of explaining this, please send patches. |
| 23:35.09 | Samus_Aran | rather vague |
| 23:35.14 | phogg | I don't see literal references to ii,un, etc |
| 23:35.27 | phogg | themill: I might, it ought to be in the man page |
| 23:35.27 | chellomere | hmm right, the swedish translation is better than the main english one |
| 23:35.32 | Vasistha | phogg: the first column indicates what you'd like to do with the package, in this case, 'i' means you would like the package to be installed. |
| 23:35.40 | chellomere | I just tried with LANG=C |
| 23:35.51 | themill | phogg: that's because ii is not *a* status but a pair of status codes. |
| 23:35.55 | Vasistha | phogg: the second column indicates the present status of whether the package is actually installed, in this case 'i' means it is installed |
| 23:35.59 | Samus_Aran | Vasistha: which itself makes no sense, it's already installed |
| 23:36.16 | chellomere | in swedish: "Önskat=Okänd(U)/Installera(I)/Radera(R)/Rensa(P)/Håll(H)" |
| 23:36.19 | themill | Samus_Aran: what you desire and the reality can be differrent things. |
| 23:36.33 | Samus_Aran | themill: I don't desire an installed package to be installed. |
| 23:36.39 | Samus_Aran | themill: I desire it to stay as it is. :) |
| 23:36.41 | phogg | Vasistha: and what do the letter codes mean? Capitalized letters in the header line is not clear at all. |
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| 23:36.56 | chellomere | that's clearer, but I would've preferred "Önskat=Okänd(u)/Installera(i)/Radera(r)/Rensa(p)/Håll(h)", and the english strings could use this too |
| 23:36.58 | themill | hopes phogg is already drafting his patch |
| 23:36.59 | Vasistha | Samus_Aran: it does make sense. You could mark the package to be removed, and that would indicate r or p, while at the same time the package is presently installed... but once you take action it will be removed. |
| 23:37.24 | Vasistha | phogg: which one is confusing you? they all make sense to me. |
| 23:37.34 | phogg | look at how ls -l output is documented, for example. Much clearer than e.g. "Directory, symLink, Character" |
| 23:37.35 | chellomere | phogg, I agree that the english strings could be clearer |
| 23:37.42 | Samus_Aran | Vasistha: I've only once used package marking. it's not something people use under normal circumstances, furthering the confusion. :) |
| 23:37.57 | chellomere | and the translated ones slightly better |
| 23:38.08 | phogg | chellomere: yes, that example is better |
| 23:38.36 | Vasistha | Samus_Aran: so maybe it's a relic. |
| 23:38.42 | Samus_Aran | so what is dpkg -l listing, if not installed packages ? all packages with any status ? |
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| 23:38.54 | chellomere | Samus_Aran, indeed |
| 23:39.01 | phogg | Samus_Aran: packages about which dpkg knows. |
| 23:39.02 | themill | phogg: «wahhh.... drwxr-xr-x isn't in man ls!!!1! it's all really confusing!!!1!» |
| 23:39.32 | Samus_Aran | so to list installed packages I need to grep that the second character of the line is "i" ? |
| 23:39.48 | gramur | amethyst: it seems that disabling the VT-X got everything to work thanks for the help |
| 23:39.49 | Vasistha | Samus_Aran: sure. grep '^.i' |
| 23:40.02 | phogg | themill: no, but it is in the info page |
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| 23:40.12 | Vasistha | Samus_Aran: or just grep '^ii' because most of the time that's what you want |
| 23:40.15 | Tramp | !installed |
| 23:40.15 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 23:40.15 | themill | Samus_Aran: aptitude search '~i' |
| 23:40.22 | Tramp | Samus_Aran: ^^ |
| 23:41.15 | Vasistha | there used to be a bug... looks like there still is... where piping dpkg -l output miscalculated the number of columns, so one would have to export COLUMNS=200 or something before running |
| 23:42.07 | Samus_Aran | what I am looking to do is add one more alias to my ever-growing set of shorthands to do package management. in this case I want to search for installed packages when I am trying to remove all traces of them before reinstalling a new version. so just output like "package name - description" |
| 23:42.16 | Samus_Aran | thanks for the help, all. I can poke it with awk |
| 23:42.37 | themill | Samus_Aran: aptitude is probably your friend for that. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 23:42.47 | Vasistha | can't help wondering why? debian maintainers usually do a good job of making smooth upgrade paths |
| 23:43.14 | Samus_Aran | when dealing with third party software |
| 23:43.33 | Samus_Aran | (outside of the repos) |
| 23:43.46 | Vasistha | yeah, guess you're on your own there. |
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| 23:45.19 | Samus_Aran | also when wanting to remove an app that is comprised of dozens of packages |
| 23:45.33 | chellomere | Samus_Aran, using aptitude search 'foo~i' wouldn't work? |
| 23:45.35 | Samus_Aran | or just to check what's installed matching a keyword |
| 23:45.37 | chellomere | seems much simpler to me |
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| 23:46.09 | Samus_Aran | chellomere: simpler than what ? |
| 23:46.17 | chellomere | grepping in dpkg -l |
| 23:46.48 | Samus_Aran | all my other functions/aliases accept multiple parameters for narrowing down the search, so I'd want that for this as well |
| 23:46.55 | themill | Samus_Aran: if you installed all the packages with "aptitude install foo" then "aptitude remove foo" will also remove the packages that were automaticaly isntalled for you. Nothing fancy requied |
| 23:47.08 | Samus_Aran | chellomere: I haven't decided on anything. I'm trying them all out. :) |
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| 23:48.24 | Samus_Aran | that last command seems to work fine for multiple keywords, I tried: aptitude search 'office open~i' |
| 23:48.29 | Stereo | I was wondering if there was a hack for find to make it list files that have been modified in a certain hour range, but for any date |
| 23:48.38 | Samus_Aran | so I should be able to just use "$*~i" |
| 23:48.43 | Stereo | for example, all files that have been modified between 3 and 7 pm |
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| 23:49.47 | chellomere | Samus_Aran, aptitude can too do that, but it's a little more complicated: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 23:50.11 | Samus_Aran | chellomere: that was aptitude |
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| 23:50.45 | chellomere | Samus_Aran, ah yeah, didn't read that response of yours before I typed out mine |
| 23:51.08 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: I think you'd need to do something like using stat for output of all the files, then grepping on that |
| 23:51.37 | Stereo | Samus_Aran: ok, that matches my definition of a clever hack. I'll try that :) |
| 23:51.55 | Stereo | or ls --full-time |
| 23:53.38 | Samus_Aran | find /some/dir -exec stat -c $~'%z\t%n' {} + |
| 23:53.44 | Samus_Aran | something like that should get you started |
| 23:54.00 | Samus_Aran | oops, mispaste |
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| 23:54.04 | Samus_Aran | find /some/dir -exec stat -c $'%z\t%n' {} + |
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| 23:54.36 | phogg | Samus_Aran: apt-cache depends and apt-cache rdepends are your friends. |
| 23:54.50 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: I forget which one you want, last change or last modification. one of them is affected by changing the file metadata (permissions, etc.), the other by changing the file contents |
| 23:54.56 | Stereo | that's great, trivial to grep |
| 23:55.06 | Stereo | yeah, changed vs. modified |
| 23:55.28 | Samus_Aran | %y and %z |
| 23:55.35 | themill | Stereo: be careful with filenames with tab or newline etc in them if you're using that sort of find command. |
| 23:55.40 | ravenbird | Samus_Aran: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:55.55 | Samus_Aran | the $'\t' is there to insert a literal tab. if you use awk to grep the lines, you can then print out $2, for example |
| 23:56.05 | themill | ravenbird: shush |
| 23:56.06 | ravenbird | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 23:57.58 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: better yet, use a vertical tab, I've never heard of a filename containing one. :) |
| 23:57.59 | Stereo | themill: because of -exec ? |
| 23:58.12 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: find -exec stat -c $'%z\v%n' {} + | awk -F'\v' '/^....-..-.. (18|19|20|21)/ {print $2}' |
| 23:58.20 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: that will show all files in those hours |
| 23:58.24 | Stereo | whee |
| 23:58.43 | themill | Stereo: no, that output format from the find command assumes that you don't have newlines in your filenames. |
| 23:59.04 | Stereo | and there I was about to whip out grep, but you're right, awk is just fine |
| 23:59.25 | Samus_Aran | awk is a two-for-one. it does the grepping and the cutting of the line. :) |
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| 23:59.40 | Samus_Aran | it can actually replace most of the command line utilities, heh |
| 23:59.58 | phogg | files with newline in the name are rare enough that you probably know if you have one |
