| 00:00.28 | Samus_Aran | if you use filenames with newlines, you deserve to have your command line scripts to fail |
| 00:00.30 | themill | yeah, as long as it's not going to be used to automatically delete files or something, you could get away with it |
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| 00:01.17 | Stereo | yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would do that |
| 00:01.22 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: if you want to confirm that you are matching the right files, remote the $2 so it prints the whole line |
| 00:01.27 | Samus_Aran | *remove |
| 00:01.29 | Stereo | some file systems even forbid that kind of special characters |
| 00:01.33 | themill | Samus_Aran: touch $"file to delete\n2010-04-22 18:00:00.000000000 +0100\t/etc/passwd" |
| 00:01.42 | Arrowmaster | Stereo: not many |
| 00:01.56 | Arrowmaster | most allow anything except nul |
| 00:02.25 | Samus_Aran | themill: touch: cannot touch `file to delete\\n2010-04-22 18:00:00.000000000 +0100\\t/etc/passwd': No such file or directory |
| 00:02.28 | Samus_Aran | heh |
| 00:03.06 | Tramp | $'...', not $"..." |
| 00:03.08 | Samus_Aran | DOS and Windows filesystems are very strict with filenames. most Unix-like filesystems allow any characters other than / and NUL |
| 00:03.21 | themill | Samus_Aran: ok, "mkdir etc" first. |
| 00:03.23 | phogg | Stereo: people make mistakes and create all kinds of garbage files and filenames |
| 00:03.55 | Samus_Aran | I used to create lowercase filenames in DOS when I wanted to prevent people accessing them. :p |
| 00:03.57 | themill | Samus_Aran: you get the picture. It's easy enough for someone to create a very hostile name. |
| 00:04.04 | phogg | a general tool should handle all possibilities, but for a local admin script running in a known environment it's probably not worth your time |
| 00:04.16 | Samus_Aran | themill: sure, but a person should know what files they are working on |
| 00:04.32 | Stereo | Samus_Aran: I used to create files called "-rf /" |
| 00:04.36 | themill | Samus_Aran: sure. as I said, it depends what this script is going to do. |
| 00:04.37 | Samus_Aran | themill: and in my example, nothing but printing is done, so it wouldn't do anything |
| 00:04.50 | Arrowmaster | NTFS is funny, "Any Unicode except NUL, /" |
| 00:04.52 | themill | Samus_Aran: except the chances of this being used *only* for printing are zero. |
| 00:04.56 | phogg | Samus_Aran: it's always seemed strange to me that / is not allowed. Seems to be that it could be allowed if escaped. |
| 00:05.12 | Arrowmaster | phogg: it is allowed by a lot of filesystems |
| 00:05.21 | phogg | Arrowmaster: oh, good |
| 00:05.40 | Samus_Aran | Arrowmaster: hm ? NTFS doesn't allow the same set of characters as FAT, like * and ? |
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| 00:06.01 | phogg | Samus_Aran: ntfs allows a lot of characters, but higher up windows stuff restricts it |
| 00:06.06 | Arrowmaster | Samus_Aran: what NTFS allows and what Windows allows you to use on NTFS are very different |
| 00:06.18 | Samus_Aran | phogg: I agree. I think it is just there to avoid confusion. :) |
| 00:06.30 | Arrowmaster | you still cant name a file COM |
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| 00:06.33 | Samus_Aran | phogg, Arrowmaster: ah, interesting. didn't know that |
| 00:06.40 | phogg | Arrowmaster: or PRN or whatever |
| 00:06.59 | Samus_Aran | those were fun web exploits, accessing device names and crashing the system. |
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| 00:07.14 | initq | allo allo |
| 00:07.15 | phogg | "I know! Instead of device files, we will use magic pseudo-file names! That wont ever cause a problem" |
| 00:07.44 | Stereo | ok, I managed to do what I wanted to do, thanks Samus_Aran and themill! |
| 00:07.50 | Samus_Aran | or doing ECHO^G^G^G^G^G^G > PRN in computer class, and the teacher keeps walking over to the printer. god computer class was boring, I failed it. |
| 00:08.30 | Samus_Aran | they spent a week on BASIC, but nobody wrote a single program that did anything. |
| 00:09.07 | Samus_Aran | Stereo: yuio're welciome |
| 00:09.20 | Samus_Aran | -typos. |
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| 00:09.48 | icebrain | basic? good grief. dijkstra would be appalled :P |
| 00:10.38 | Samus_Aran | the worst part was that the teacher did not know *anything* about programming or even general computer usage. :/ you'd think a school could hire someone for a job that actually knows what they're doing |
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| 00:10.56 | Samus_Aran | it was like a substitute teacher for the whole year |
| 00:11.19 | themill | suspects #debian-offtopic would be better |
| 00:11.31 | Samus_Aran | oops, pardon me. |
| 00:11.46 | Samus_Aran | goes to try out the package searching function |
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| 00:16.18 | sigmonsays | Hello. Can someone point me to the way apache2 3rd module packages are built? |
| 00:16.28 | k\t | echo ^G ? |
| 00:17.22 | Samus_Aran | the "aptitude search whatever~" apparently searches in package descriptions as well. how can I only search in the package names ? |
| 00:18.14 | Samus_Aran | k\t: Ctrl+G = BEL character, beeps the PC speaker or on printers makes them beep (doesn't move the paper) |
| 00:18.29 | Samus_Aran | k\t: you can also send page feed characters and have the printer spit out a blank piece of paper. :p |
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| 00:19.19 | k\t | heh, cool. |
| 00:19.47 | Samus_Aran | works on Unix-like systems as well, printf "\x07" to beep the PC speaker, if available |
| 00:20.09 | k\t | yep, |
| 00:20.13 | Samus_Aran | or Ctrl+V Ctrl+G to enter a literal Ctrl+G character |
| 00:20.29 | k\t | how about feed paper? just: printf '\x07' | lpr? |
| 00:21.03 | Samus_Aran | haven't tried messing with printers with lpr, but it would probably be that easy. I always juse used >PRN on DOS/Windows |
| 00:21.09 | Samus_Aran | or >LPT1 |
| 00:21.21 | k\t | ahhh, gotcha ;-) |
| 00:22.48 | Samus_Aran | k\t: printf "\x0c" for the page feed. or "\f" in some printf's |
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| 00:23.53 | Samus_Aran | or Ctrl+V Ctrl+L for the literal one |
| 00:24.07 | Samus_Aran | which redraws the screen in most text mode apps |
| 00:24.25 | k\t | tried to remember ansi escape |
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| 00:27.11 | k\t | printf '\033[2J' |
| 00:27.29 | Samus_Aran | or Ctrl+V Esc |
| 00:28.26 | Samus_Aran | does anyone know where to find the "aptitude reference manual" which is referred to by "man aptitude" repeatedly ? |
| 00:28.41 | SerajewelKS | if i want to set up a personal imap server, where all the mail on my other accounts (POP) is stored, what would be a good setup? |
| 00:29.44 | k\t | samus_aran: usually what terminfo db supports "\x0c", i'm only getting new line. |
| 00:29.52 | k\t | or termcap... |
| 00:31.18 | Samus_Aran | k\t: doesn't seem to do anything if echoed. redraws the screen with a literal Ctrl+L. in DOS, all control characters can be echoed for the same effect as being typed. try sending it to your printer. :) should spit out a blank piece of paper |
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| 00:32.16 | k\t | success! |
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| 00:35.08 | Samus_Aran | k\t: it was common to see page breaks in plain text files in DOS. if you did TYPE FILE.TXT > PRN, it would then flip to the next page as apropriate. but made it awkward to view it with MORE or TYPE or similar tools, as it would jump dozens of lines when hitting the page break |
| 00:35.21 | Samus_Aran | seems I am wandering off-topic again. g'day allveryone. I'll go poke at aptitude |
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| 00:35.41 | Tramp | Samus_Aran: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html - that's the one .... nvm |
| 00:36.00 | k\t | goodday. |
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| 00:40.25 | k\t | testing in wine start cmd.exe |
| 00:42.06 | SerajewelKS | specifically, i'm looking for direction on having fetchmail pull mail into a specific IMAP folder that will be served by dovecot |
| 00:42.23 | k\t | ftw, all caps is completely hilarious--especially in how most groups interpret allcaps as screaming. |
| 00:42.37 | k\t | "screaming_code" |
| 00:44.22 | k\t | well, seems like i'm OT as well, goodday.. |
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| 00:44.48 | SerajewelKS | basically, i know where to find documentation on the pieces, but not how to configure them into a coherent whole |
| 00:45.42 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: have you considered offlineimap? |
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| 00:46.51 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: ooo, i have not... thanks for the suggestion, looks neat |
| 00:47.18 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: I've been using it for several years now, it is fantastic at what it does -- if that is what you need. |
| 00:47.40 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: the goal though is to get it to the point where i'm not using fetchmail at all, but to where my DNS is setup to deliver the mail straight to the server |
| 00:47.56 | Vasistha | dns? uhm |
| 00:48.01 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i had a postfix+courier setup a while ago, before moving to google apps. |
| 00:48.17 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: as in i eventually want to host my own mail, once i'm confident that the setup is going to work |
| 00:48.33 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: point the MX records at my MTA, etc |
| 00:49.01 | initq | grub1 does not work with qemu |
| 00:49.12 | jalalsfs | Hi everybody |
| 00:49.29 | jalalsfs | I want to learn debian |
| 00:49.31 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: right... way outside my realm of experience :) Well I can tell you what offlineimap does: if you have a mail server somewhere that serves imap, and you want to keep a local copy of that imap account and be able to sync changes made while offline, then offlineimap is your tool. |
| 00:49.40 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: have you installed it? |
| 00:49.50 | jalalsfs | No |
| 00:50.02 | jalalsfs | What can I install ? |
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| 00:50.13 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: does it support pop3 as well? |
| 00:50.17 | pyrophelia | trying to upgrade to a 2.6.33.2 kernel and I can't get the kernel to load /dev/hd* devices. it sees my sata drives fine but my boot disk is an ide. any ideas? |
| 00:50.51 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: please don't pm me. |
| 00:51.27 | jalalsfs | sorry |
| 00:51.32 | Vasistha | !tell jalalsfs about install |
| 00:51.32 | SerajewelKS | jalalsfs: here's how you do that: (1) install debian. (2) use it. tada! |
| 00:52.01 | jalalsfs | What install test week ... ? |
| 00:52.47 | jalalsfs | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:53.09 | jalalsfs | That are many vervion |
| 00:53.10 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: no, you should install the stable version. |
| 00:53.24 | jalalsfs | O.K. |
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| 00:53.49 | jalalsfs | Can I download this LinuxCBT Deb5x Edition ? |
| 00:54.01 | ScottO_ | how come when i delete files df doesnt not show the updated free space? |
| 00:54.12 | ScottO_ | *does not |
| 00:55.05 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: we usually recommend using the netinst Cd image. I've never head of "linuxcbt" and can't vouch for it. Is your system 32-bit or 64-bit or do you know? |
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| 00:55.30 | Vasistha | ScottO_: hmm, maybe you need to sync? How are you deleting the files? |
| 00:55.34 | jalalsfs | AMD Phenom |
| 00:55.47 | ScottO_ | Vasistha: through samba share :d |
| 00:55.47 | jalalsfs | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:55.54 | brianskywalker | does anyone use debian gnu/hurd here? |
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| 00:57.15 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: so for consumer-grade 64-bit systems, either amd or intel, you want the amd64 platform. So this one should be good to download, burn, and install: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:59.10 | jalalsfs | Vasistha: Thank you so much. What about http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ did you see it ? |
| 00:59.20 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: you don't want that one, I promise. |
| 00:59.36 | jalalsfs | O.K. |
| 01:00.23 | ScottO_ | Vasistha: how do you sync? |
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| 01:00.38 | Vasistha | jalalsfs: while you are new to debian, stick with stable. It will make your experience far smoother |
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| 01:01.37 | brianskywalker | does anyone know if it's easy to switch to debian gnu/hurd? |
| 01:02.27 | Vasistha | ScottO_: well, I'm not sure how to address issues with samba. There is a command 'sync' which can be run to sync recent changes to disk, but I don't think it's going to do that over a samba share. Are you sitting at the computer that had the files removed, or are you sitting at the computer that is looking at files over samba? |
| 01:03.24 | Vasistha | brianskywalker: afaik gnu/hurd isn't going much of anywhere, I'd hazard a guess that many things don't work all that well. I don't know if I've ever seen people here discussing gnu/hurd support issues. |
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| 01:09.28 | brianskywalker | Vasistha: thanks, i'm just trying to look into it. some things are supposed to really good |
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| 01:09.58 | Vasistha | brianskywalker: may very well be ... dunno. Sure don't hear much about it, though. |
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| 01:11.31 | unknow | hi, is there a mbr package on fedora? |
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| 01:11.56 | simonrvn | and why would we know that? |
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| 01:14.16 | lcarvalho | hi, how can I avoid this error? I am using debian lenny 5.04 dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libpython2.6.so.1.0 needed by debian/erp5-5.4.6/opt/erp5/5.4.6/parts/openoffice-bin__unpack__/opt/openoffice.org/basis3.2/program/python-core-2.6.1/lib/lib-dynload/_functools.so (its RPATH is ''). |
| 01:14.38 | unknow | i don't know :S, I was on fedora, they told me to ask here |
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| 01:16.11 | Kazuha | I trust there are no major problems with the 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 01:16.36 | Kazuha | Especially since this one is patched... with the BadRAM patch. |
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| 01:18.11 | wols | lcarvalho: you can avoid it by using openoffice from an official repo. ask who gave you that openoffice version why it references non existing libraries |
| 01:18.16 | xiaobo | hi,guys , i got a problem,sometimes my monitor will lost the video signal,but the system still runing , any key's action was not effect. is the X problem? |
| 01:18.36 | near | check if the monitors cable is loose? |
| 01:19.08 | lcarvalho | wols: this is not an option :) |
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| 01:19.35 | Vasistha | xiaobo: have you cleaned your system recently -- physically, as in dust? |
| 01:19.36 | lcarvalho | I would like to know how to avoid all the libraries which requires libpython2.6.so.1.0 |
| 01:20.57 | Vasistha | unknow: whoever advised you to ask a fedora question in here is giving bad advice |
| 01:22.14 | xiaobo | (09æ¶18å31ç§) near: check if the monitors cable is loose? not , is sometimes happen |
| 01:22.16 | simonrvn | lcarvalho: um, it looks like it might need 2.6, so i don't see why you'd want to avoid it. that's my take on it. |
| 01:22.46 | lcarvalho | because I want to build it without add python2.6 as a required dependency |
| 01:22.54 | lcarvalho | it does not matter for me now |
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| 01:25.13 | wols | lcarvalho: if you built it why did you reference non-existing libraries? |
| 01:25.35 | simonrvn | i'm thinking the build tools or the source did |
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| 01:27.02 | lcarvalho | it does not matter |
| 01:27.09 | lcarvalho | I just would like to know |
| 01:27.13 | lcarvalho | how to avoid it properly |
| 01:27.26 | lcarvalho | do you know how? |
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| 01:30.50 | simonrvn | that's a longer subject than i care to deal with right now as i'm exhausted. good luck. |
| 01:34.05 | pyrophelia | I just compiled a 2.6.33.2 kernel and my ide drive is now showing up as /dev/sdk (yes I have that many sata disks.) The problem is I like have my IDE boot disk listed in /dev/ as /dev/hda*. what do I need to change in my kernel config to get this back to the way it was |
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| 01:36.23 | JairunCaloth | heh... mine just show up as the first or the last... depends on how it feels during boot it seems |
| 01:36.50 | pyrophelia | well I wouldn't mind that but I have Sata disks before and after my IDE drive |
| 01:37.04 | pyrophelia | that's why I liked my ide drive as /dev/hda* |
| 01:38.20 | JairunCaloth | eh... perhaps you could build your disk drivers as modules and have them load in the order you want? I dunoo... |
| 01:39.45 | pyrophelia | possible. |
| 01:39.55 | pyrophelia | could you reference an article that explains how to do that? |
| 01:40.24 | pyrophelia | The only reason I'm asking is because I know I have /dev/hd on my other 2.6.33.2 kernel so I'm sure it's possible |
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| 01:41.06 | pyrophelia | if I have to use /dev/sd* for my ide and sata it's going to make life hell for me :/ |
| 01:41.47 | SerajewelKS | pyrophelia: how about using /dev/disk instead? |
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| 01:42.30 | pyrophelia | it's not just a boot issue, I know I can map via uuid. I'm more concerned with the layout of the raid. seeing a raid skip a disk letter makes my heart skip a beat. |
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| 01:43.35 | pyrophelia | anyway I thought I would just float that question out there. I need to go have dinner with the warden :/ afk |
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| 02:12.03 | maxito | Hi people, a few days ago I asked about resolution in debian, I have only 2 option to choise, 640x480 and 800x600 . . . and I need 1024x768 . . .some of you said me> your video card don't support mayor res. |
| 02:12.51 | maxito | But right now I'm using Ultimate Edition LiveDVD and I can change res to 1024x768 ...so, I must need to change debian to Ultimate ???? |
| 02:13.22 | dondelelcaro | m/away |
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| 02:13.44 | maxito | I video on board in M7VIG 400 motherboard |
| 02:14.56 | wols_ | !UniChrome |
| 02:14.56 | dpkg | The OpenChrome project develops free and open source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-openchrome. Post-Lenny, xserver-xorg-video-via is a transitional package to the OpenChrome driver; amend or remove your Driver line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (via -> openchrome) if explicitly set. http://www.openchrome.org/ #unichrome on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:15.29 | dondelelcaro | maxito: it depends why it's not using the right resolution, but the output of xrandr; will tell you what is going on |
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| 02:15.44 | dondelelcaro | maxito: you'll also need to show us the output from your xorg log |
| 02:17.04 | maxito | ok, i will try to show you |
| 02:17.04 | Kazuha | Okay... I've got a comp with failing memory, and I compiled a -badram kernel for it.... |
| 02:17.18 | Kazuha | Now, how do I pass the address(es) to BadRAM? |
| 02:17.50 | JairunCaloth | hrm.. I need to change the default schedular on only one of my drives during boot. Problem is, it's a moving target. Sometimes it gets detected as /dev/sda others it's /dev/sdb... |
| 02:18.53 | Kazuha | As of the last test, there was only one failing address, BTW. |
| 02:18.57 | JairunCaloth | I geuss I could write a script that can figure it out and call it from rc.local? |
| 02:19.48 | Kazuha | Its also semi-unreliable about showing up on tests. |
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| 02:20.48 | SerajewelKS | JairunCaloth: or see /dev/disk |
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| 02:22.35 | JairunCaloth | SerajewelKS: well yes, I would have to write a script to do that @ boot for me |
| 02:22.55 | dbbolton | where must i place a latex .sty file in order to be able to use the style? |
| 02:23.08 | SerajewelKS | JairunCaloth: i'm saying use the symlinks in the /dev/disk directory |
| 02:23.21 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: in somewhere that kpathsea sees it |
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| 02:25.07 | JairunCaloth | SerajewelKS: right, those are great and all for figuring out which disk is which. It doesn't do much good for setting the scheduler. |
| 02:25.48 | SerajewelKS | JairunCaloth: right. so call from rc.local as you said. i was just showing you that you don't have to do any sort of detection as to which drive is which. let udev do that for you. |
| 02:25.52 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: for example, I have it in ~/texmf (technically a link to ~/lib/texmf), and I've run mktexlsr to build the lsr files for it |
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| 02:27.12 | dbbolton | dondelelcaro: so if i create some directory, and run mktexlsr in it, kpathsea will look in that directory for styles? |
| 02:27.20 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: no. |
| 02:27.34 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: it has to be a directory that kpathsea looks in |
| 02:27.56 | dondelelcaro | err, kpsewhich |
| 02:29.04 | dbbolton | i am looking for a list of those directories |
| 02:30.02 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: see /etc/texmf/texmf.conf then |
| 02:30.33 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: man kpsewhich for details, and see the documentation of kpathsea |
| 02:32.36 | dbbolton | i actually read that man page. it even says that it isnt meant to be helpful. i'm reading the documentation that the man page references though |
| 02:34.09 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: right, the important thing is that kpsewhich tells you if you've actually done things right |
| 02:34.22 | unknow | for install debian i need 31 cd rom :| |
| 02:34.24 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: if it can't be found by kpsewhich, latex can't find it |
| 02:34.26 | dondelelcaro | unknow: no |
| 02:34.32 | dondelelcaro | unknow: you don't even need one |
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| 02:35.39 | unknow | i need to boot from cd ... |
| 02:36.06 | dbbolton | unknow: use the netinstall cd |
| 02:36.25 | dbbolton | it turns out the style i wanted to use was already installed as a part of texlive-latex-extra |
| 02:36.34 | dondelelcaro | dbbolton: yeah, most things are, actually |
| 02:36.54 | unknow | Network install from a minimal CD? |
| 02:37.08 | dondelelcaro | !tell unknow -about netinst |
| 02:37.11 | dbbolton | unknow: that's what i always do and recommend |
| 02:37.39 | dbbolton | it doesn't waste time and bandwidth |
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| 02:37.49 | nsadmin | unknow: for install debian you don't necessarily even need one |
| 02:38.09 | nsadmin | then you need one, probably netinst |
| 02:38.10 | dondelelcaro | (you could use usb keys, netboot, all sorts of methods) |
| 02:38.15 | nsadmin | do yoy run linux now |
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| 02:44.37 | unknow | is it hard install a 64 bit debian with hp laptop? |
| 02:45.20 | dondelelcaro | unknow: no |
| 02:46.13 | unknow | ok, i'll install it |
| 02:46.16 | karsten | unknow: Not at all. |
| 02:46.30 | karsten | unknow: You want AMD64, not IA64 (itanium is dead). |
| 02:46.44 | karsten | now has his XP instance running from a virtual disk in qemu.... |
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| 02:46.49 | karsten | ...or walking slowly, more like. |
| 02:47.36 | nsadmin | unknow: just pick the right netinst for amd64 lenny and you should be all set |
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| 02:47.48 | unknow | i have a intel core 2 duo proccesor |
| 02:48.03 | nsadmin | the only thing I'd be wondering about is the pciids of your net card |
| 02:48.10 | nsadmin | that's amd64 |
| 02:48.28 | karsten | unknow: It's got what's referred to as the AM64 instruction set. Pick the AMD64 netinstall disk. |
| 02:50.34 | unknow | ok, so if i have a intel procesor, i need AMD64 right? |
| 02:51.10 | unknow | AMD64 netinstall disk |
| 02:51.15 | unknow | * |
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| 02:53.26 | near | anyone knows how to install gdesklets in lenny? |
| 02:53.41 | near | i did apt-get install gdesklets but after it was installed it does not work |
| 02:54.00 | nsadmin | core2duo is "amd64" |
| 02:54.51 | near | anyone? |
| 02:54.57 | sansen | near, don't you need to have compiz installed to use gdesklets |
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| 02:56.50 | near | it didnt say |
| 02:56.55 | near | but thats a good hint |
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| 02:57.48 | sansen | near, you should try running gdesklets in a terminal |
| 02:58.14 | near | i did it |
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| 02:58.21 | near | but it says the daemon times out |
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| 03:00.48 | tuv | what is the proper way to disable a wireless interface? i added an entry in /e/n/interfaces for it with a 'manual' method. it's not configured, but it's not disabled either (still listed in ifconfig), unlike after running an 'ifconfig down' on its ass |
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| 03:02.23 | wols_ | you can use ifconfig of ifdown |
| 03:02.53 | wols_ | !tell near about errors |
| 03:03.01 | wols_ | s/of/or |
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| 03:04.52 | tuvyz | what is the proper way to disable a wireless interface? i added an entry in /e/n/interfaces for it with a 'manual' method. it's not configured, but it's not disabled either (still listed in ifconfig), unlike after running an 'ifconfig down' on its ass |
| 03:05.07 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: it'll still be listed |
| 03:05.14 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: why do you want it disabled? |
| 03:05.38 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: to make sure the radio is off and not interfering (wireless interface) |
| 03:05.47 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: if the interface is down, the radio is off |
| 03:05.48 | hideo | to permanently disable it, put its module in blacklist |
| 03:05.53 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: after 'ifconfig down', it's not listed in ifconfig output |
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| 03:06.15 | nsadmin | to permanently disable it remove the device from your computer |
| 03:06.17 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: it'll be listed if you run ifconfig -a |
| 03:06.23 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: right, but as it is (manual method) on boot it is not disabled, just not configured |
| 03:06.39 | hideo | to permanently disable it, jump on your 'puter |
| 03:06.40 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: that's ok. i meant without the -a |
| 03:06.41 | nsadmin | the radio is off tho. |
| 03:06.55 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: if you don't have an auto rule for it, it won't be up at all |
| 03:07.07 | nsadmin | buy a field strength meter if you really want to test it |
| 03:07.19 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: you can always check by running iwconfig, too |
| 03:07.47 | nsadmin | what exactly is your concern... and why not just remove it if you don't want it |
| 03:08.02 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: well iwconfig shows the interface. not associated, but listed. does that mean the radio is on? |
| 03:08.24 | tuvyz | nsadmin: build-in device |
| 03:08.35 | nsadmin | what exactly is your concern... |
| 03:08.36 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: depends; it'll tell you; see the Tx-Power section |
| 03:08.59 | tuvyz | hideo: i was looking for a more civilized option, but blacklisting is my way out |
| 03:09.00 | dondelelcaro | (most laptops now have hardware wireless controls, too) |
| 03:09.58 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: not a laptop either. nettop sort of thing (acer revo) |
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| 03:11.04 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: ah. well, anyway, if you don't have a rule to bring up the interface, it should be down. an exception is if the bios is bringing it up |
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| 03:11.25 | dondelelcaro | tuvyz: which may actually be happening if it's a nettop box |
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| 03:11.51 | dondelelcaro | hasn't seen any computers yet which do that, but it'd certainly be possible |
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| 03:12.54 | tuvyz | how do i change the hostname? i edited /etc/hostname and rebooted. now i'm getting a '*** SECURITY information' local email every few seconds saying: 'unable to resolve host <new-name>' |
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| 03:13.17 | tuvyz | hmm.. i guess i missed /et |
| 03:13.22 | tuvyz | missed /etc/hosts |
| 03:13.27 | nsadmin | right, hosts |
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| 03:13.52 | hideo | damn it Clecio starts his join/leave due to excess flood again |
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| 03:14.18 | nsadmin | what exactly does excess flood mean? |
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| 03:14.27 | adb | hideo, ban him .. |
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| 03:14.42 | hideo | adb: I'm no op |
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| 03:14.59 | adb | give op to hideo |
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| 03:17.35 | Bop | its this flood on porpose ? |
| 03:17.50 | nsadmin | no, it's on whale |
| 03:17.57 | hideo | haha |
| 03:18.22 | tuvyz | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by 'a rule to bring up the interface'? /etc/network/interfaces? or something else? |
| 03:18.27 | Bop | im just saying it could be done better :D |
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| 03:25.22 | nsadmin | , pciid 1002:5050 |
| 03:25.24 | judd | [1002:5050] is 'Rage 128 PP/PRO TMDS [Xpert 128]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'aty128fb', 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5050 |
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| 03:30.09 | Bop | , pciid 1260:3890 |
| 03:30.11 | judd | [1260:3890] is 'ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow]' from 'Intersil Corporation' with kernel module 'p54pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1260:3890 http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 03:30.47 | Hatter[1] | shorewall problem, on 'shorewall restart' this is happening : Compiling... FATAL: Module nfnetlink not found.FATAL: Module x_tables not found. all the way through all the modules then this :iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) can anyone give me a clue ? |
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| 03:32.04 | wols_ | ,version shorewall |
| 03:32.21 | wols_ | ,versions shorewall |
| 03:32.22 | judd | shorewall -- etch: 3.2.6-2; lenny: 4.0.15-1; squeeze: 4.4.8.1-1; sid: 4.4.8.3-1 |
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| 03:32.56 | Ghost1227 | i have a debian lenny server running apache2 and php5, but for some reason it insists on downloading php files rather than serving them... any suggestions? |
| 03:32.58 | wols_ | Hatter[1]: uname -r |
| 03:33.17 | wols_ | Ghost1227: php5 mod enabled? a2enmod |
| 03:33.33 | Ghost1227 | wols_, yes |
| 03:33.58 | adb | Ghost1227, use debian ? |
| 03:33.59 | Hatter[1] | wols: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 03:34.07 | Ghost1227 | adb: yes... |
| 03:34.18 | wols_ | Hatter[1]: check for /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/net/netfilter/nfnetlink.ko |
| 03:34.18 | Hatter[1] | wols: debian lenny, standard build |
| 03:34.27 | Hatter[1] | wols_: its there |
| 03:34.36 | adb | Ghost1227, uname -r |
| 03:35.08 | Ghost1227 | 2.6.18.8-linode22 |
| 03:35.26 | adb | Ghost1227, archlinux ? |
| 03:35.31 | Hatter[1] | echo $PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 03:35.37 | Ghost1227 | adb: not on this server |
| 03:35.42 | Ghost1227 | adb: my other server is |
| 03:35.58 | Ghost1227 | adb: why? |
| 03:36.38 | adb | here is for debian .. |
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| 03:37.01 | Ghost1227 | adb: i said this server is running debian lenny |
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| 03:39.23 | Ghost1227 | wols_: no other suggestions? |
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| 03:41.16 | Bop | Ghost1227, your php is not enabled for sure |
| 03:41.26 | Bop | cause apache is not interpreting the php |
| 03:41.31 | Bop | so , not enabled |
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| 03:41.53 | Ghost1227 | a2enmod php5 |
| 03:41.53 | Bop | Ghost1227, see it trought phpinfo() |
| 03:41.53 | Ghost1227 | Module php5 already enabled |
| 03:43.19 | Bop | check apache.conf then |
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| 03:43.25 | Bop | it should be there |
| 03:45.00 | Ghost1227 | ok... new info |
| 03:45.19 | Ghost1227 | phpinfo.php works fine in root directory, anywhere else it doesn't |
| 03:45.50 | Bop | apache root dir ? |
| 03:45.59 | Ghost1227 | yes |
| 03:46.08 | Bop | what where do u expect to run it ? |
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| 03:47.00 | Ghost1227 | another update... anything named 'index.php' works as long as you actually type 'index.php'... it won't figure that out on its own... any other php file doesn't load |
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| 03:47.46 | Bop | add index.php |
| 03:47.55 | Ghost1227 | to what? |
| 03:48.15 | Bop | to the config file, so it knows that also that file is to load auto |
| 03:48.19 | Ghost1227 | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.htm |
| 03:48.31 | Ghost1227 | it's there |
| 03:48.42 | Ghost1227 | that doesn't explain why it won't load other php files though |
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| 03:49.29 | Bop | are they with right permissions ? |
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| 03:50.16 | Ghost1227 | yes |
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| 03:54.44 | Bop | dunno |
| 03:54.48 | Bop | try in #apache |
| 03:55.31 | \amethyst | Ghost1227: are you trying from a userdir, or somewhere else? |
| 03:55.45 | Ghost1227 | no, just a folder in the web root |
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| 04:00.52 | fas3r | in firefo if i do http://www.mydomain.com i got nothing but if i do http://www.mydomain.com:8081 it's work .. i need to use mod rewrite or something like this ? |
| 04:01.19 | wols_ | fas3r: make your webserver o mydomain listen on port 80 |
| 04:02.28 | fas3r | wols_, i have multi domain .. |
| 04:02.43 | fas3r | one on 8080, one on 8081, one on 8082 etc ... |
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| 04:06.24 | fas3r | wols_, can i use iptables to redirect in function of the domain name ? |
| 04:08.12 | fas3r | wols_, you right thank ;) |
| 04:08.44 | fas3r | i have modify the port on all vhost to 80 |
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| 04:24.49 | fas3r | wols_, i can use multiple vhost on the same port ? |
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| 04:26.36 | fas3r | wols_, because i got this warning: [warn] NameVirtualHost www.mydmoain.net:80 has no VirtualHosts and [warn] NameVirtualHost www.mydomain.com:80 has no VirtualHosts ... it's work if you an idea ... |
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| 04:35.56 | Samus_Aran | anyone know why aptitude search cuts off text at column 80 if piped to something? COLUMNS is set correctly and exported |
| 04:36.01 | elik | A program I'm trying to install (no through aptitude) requires linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686 (this in my linux-image version), but there is no such package [anymore] |
| 04:36.40 | Samus_Aran | elik: you could download the package from packages.debian.org |
| 04:37.02 | Samus_Aran | or reboot into a newer kernel, as the case may be. |
| 04:37.23 | elik | Samus_Aran, here? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 04:38.07 | elik | as far as I know, this is the latest version on testing |
| 04:38.53 | elik | can I simply alias a headers dir to the linux-headers-2.6.32-686 or something |
| 04:39.20 | Kazuha | Okay... how do I check that BadRAM is holding the correct area of RAM out of accessible ranges? |
| 04:39.47 | Kazuha | (Include Kazuha in the reply, because I'm not going to be staring at this tab.) |
| 04:39.55 | elik | I install on 2 computers, and it worked on the other one because I think I had fteched the headers before the package was pulled... |
| 04:40.57 | Kazuha | nvm, I see. |
| 04:41.14 | Samus_Aran | elik: if the package is deleted now, perhaps copy it from the other computer ? or check why it was pulled |
| 04:41.42 | elik | Samus_Aran, the package page is deleted (how do I check), and the other computer is using another arch |
| 04:42.01 | elik | Samus_Aran, I also have this feeling the trunk kernel has a particular meaning |
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| 04:42.55 | Samus_Aran | elik: hopefully someone else can chime in, as I'm not too sure what you should do. do you have the kernel source or kernel headers that you need ? e.g. is it just a problem that it doesn't think it has the dependency ? |
| 04:43.18 | Samus_Aran | or are you actually missing the headers or source ? |
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| 04:45.15 | elik | I'm missing my headers for my kernel, which is trunk. There is no corresponding package |
| 04:45.54 | Samus_Aran | is the kernel still in the repos, just not the headers ? |
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| 04:46.27 | heatman | Hello. Could someone tell me if there is an equivalent command of mdconfig (freebsd) for debian? |
| 04:46.40 | Samus_Aran | heatman: what does mdconfig do ? |
| 04:47.29 | heatman | Samus_Aran: creates a temp dev so that i can mount and image as a drive |
| 04:47.51 | Samus_Aran | heatman: you can mount files loopback |
| 04:48.18 | elik | Samus_Aran, the image doesn't seem to be in there either :( |
| 04:48.24 | Samus_Aran | heatman: mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop file.iso /mnt/my_image |
| 04:48.43 | Samus_Aran | elik: so then you can upgrade your kernel to whatever it does have, and it should also have the headers available for this version |
| 04:48.51 | heatman | Samus_Aran: its an .img used for xen |
| 04:48.56 | Samus_Aran | elik: I'm not sure why the other kernel was pulled, but perhaps a security issue |
| 04:49.05 | Samus_Aran | heatman: sure, just fill in the appropriate filesystem |
| 04:49.25 | Samus_Aran | heatman: unless Xen uses a proprietary format, in which case you'd need to convert it to a standard disk image first |
| 04:49.43 | Samus_Aran | heatman: what is in the .img ? |
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| 04:50.15 | heatman | Samus_Aran: a freebsd OS... ufs2 partitions |
| 04:50.28 | elik | Samus_Aran, well, yeah, but then it's a bit weird I stayed on the old version :( |
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| 04:52.05 | elik | I'm lost in the storm of version :S |
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| 04:53.29 | Samus_Aran | heatman: man losetup |
| 04:53.32 | Samus_Aran | heatman: so then it's a partition table, not a filesystem. in that case you will need to create a loopback device in order to have it show up |
| 04:53.45 | Samus_Aran | heatman: it will show up like /dev/loop0 |
| 04:53.55 | Samus_Aran | heatman: I think that works, hm |
| 04:54.17 | Samus_Aran | not sure how partitions would actually show up trying that, but I think it works for that |
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| 04:54.48 | Samus_Aran | you could also use the OS on the image with e.g. VirtualBox or QEMU |
| 04:55.08 | heatman | ok ty... ill give it a try |
| 04:56.27 | elik | Samus_Aran, how do I know what is the latest linux-image for testing? |
| 05:02.22 | fas3r | can i do smtp over http ? |
| 05:05.16 | Samus_Aran | elik: can't you just apt-get install linux-image linux-headers ? |
| 05:06.34 | elik | Samus_Aran, well... upgrades should take care of that, no? |
| 05:06.43 | elik | I mean, it's the first time I get off track like that :S |
| 05:07.09 | Samus_Aran | elik: it should if you installed those two in the first place, but if you manually installed a specific version, then it would assume that's the only one you want to use |
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| 05:07.27 | its-me-again | hi |
| 05:07.37 | Samus_Aran | elik: linux-image would just keep up with whatever version is current, as a meta package |
| 05:07.41 | Samus_Aran | its-me-again: hello you again |
| 05:07.48 | its-me-again | 'i am looking for a list of apps with depandances can you find any |
| 05:08.06 | Samus_Aran | its-me-again: that doesn't make sense |
| 05:08.09 | its-me-again | i have seen it before but cant i need unetbootin |
| 05:08.36 | its-me-again | Samwhen you want to download an app it comes up with a list of teh depandances(apps it needs ) |
| 05:08.38 | elik | Samus_Aran, hum... but both my computers got onto the -trunk branch.. and I don't think I would have done that on my laptop... |
| 05:08.42 | elik | (no sure, mind you) |
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| 05:09.01 | its-me-again | ^ Samus_Aran |
| 05:09.09 | its-me-again | it makes sence |
| 05:09.14 | its-me-again | alot of sence |
| 05:10.07 | its-me-again | hello |
| 05:12.37 | Samus_Aran | its-me-again: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
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| 05:14.28 | jelly-hme | "I'm trying to annoy volunteers with vague questions" |
| 05:14.36 | elik | Samus_Aran, I'm totally freaking lost in all the version, hehe. there is linux-image-2.6-686, installed version 2.6.32+25, linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 installed version 2.6.32-9 |
| 05:15.13 | elik | me me, pick me, my questions are not vague (or at least, I don't think so :S) :D |
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| 05:16.39 | jelly-hme | elik: -trunk- is older than any -number-, no matter what dpkg and apt think. |
| 05:16.46 | jelly-hme | !tell elik about kernel abi |
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| 05:17.38 | unknow | why i don't have a /lib/modules/xxxxx/build? |
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| 05:17.53 | elik | jelly-hme, right, I read that a little earlier, but what is <ABI>? |
| 05:18.06 | jelly-hme | unknow: you don't have linux-image-xxxxx installed, in all likelihood? |
| 05:18.18 | jelly-hme | elik: /msg dpkg ABI |
| 05:18.35 | unknow | i'll see |
| 05:18.56 | jelly-hme | unknow: apologies, linux-headers-xxxxx |
| 05:19.07 | unknow | yes i have this |
| 05:19.10 | unknow | ok |
| 05:19.34 | elik | jelly-hme, any idea how I could have gotten onto the trunk branch? I usually just upgrade my systems |
| 05:19.37 | unknow | downloading :) |
| 05:19.50 | jelly-hme | elik: you were using testing or unstable, that's how |
| 05:21.10 | elik | jelly-hme, and a -trunk kernel is a "dead end"? A new kernel came out (-4) and I was not offered to upgrade to it |
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| 05:21.59 | unknow | thanks |
| 05:23.27 | jelly-hme | elik: that assessment is correct |
| 05:24.21 | Samus_Aran | elik: just manually install whichever kernel that is available, and it will replace your current one. :) |
| 05:24.35 | Samus_Aran | elik: then uninstall the old one |
| 05:24.43 | Samus_Aran | + reboot |
| 05:25.06 | elik | yeah, that's what I ended up doing. Except now I'm on 2.6.32-11 (sid) |
| 05:26.13 | Samus_Aran | do make sure to reboot, or if you try to compile a kernel module, it will be building it for the wrong kernel version. |
| 05:26.26 | Samus_Aran | uname -r should be the kernel you have installed |
| 05:26.30 | elik | yup, back on its feet again |
| 05:26.36 | elik | recompiled my nvidia drivers and all |
| 05:26.53 | elik | and I'm removing the trunk image just to avoid confusion |
| 05:27.38 | elik | so far, grub had always given me the "best" option on boot, but trunk got me sort of stuck on a "local maximum" |
| 05:29.04 | elik | oh well, I guess I had a little bit of troubles coming my way, being on testing :) |
| 05:29.46 | elik | Thanks Samus_Aran and jelly-hme for the pointers, I learned a bit more on debian because of that |
| 05:30.23 | elik | time to reboot on the new kernel :) |
| 05:32.19 | its-me-again | Samus_Aran: i am trying to install unetbooting to upup linux actually if you must know |
| 05:32.30 | its-me-again | it uses ubuntu repos |
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| 05:34.13 | lcarvalho | is there any updated documentation about how to create my own repository for my debian package? |
| 05:34.23 | its-me-again | 9i have to install dependances manually thats teh only drawback |
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| 05:39.21 | lcarvalho | is there any updated documentation about how to create my own repository for my debian package? |
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| 05:40.23 | Vasistha | lcarvalho: I don't know about documentation, but I have a script that I could share with you that creates a trivial repo |
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| 05:40.54 | jelly-hme | its-me-again: you really ought to ask the channel appropriate for your distribution, this one's for Debian only |
| 05:41.01 | lcarvalho | Vasistha: yes, please share, I want to have a really basic repos just for one maybe two packages nothing else. |
| 05:41.19 | jelly-hme | lcarvalho: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 05:42.14 | lcarvalho | jelly-hme: ? |
| 05:42.42 | jelly-hme | ask the bot about "own repo" in a private irc message |
| 05:43.09 | Vasistha | lcarvalho: you'll have to modify this heavily, but here it is |
| 05:43.12 | Vasistha | lcarvalho: http://paste.debian.net/70280/ |
| 05:44.19 | lcarvalho | Vasistha: ok, got it =) |
| 05:44.54 | Samus_Aran | night again |
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| 05:46.06 | Vasistha | lcarvalho: in particular, you probably don't want to use /var/cache/apt/archives as your repo dir! And you'll probably want to skip the autoclean and the symlink removal and generation. And to use it, you'll want a line in your sources.list like: deb http://192.168.1.33/link-to-archive-dir ./ |
| 05:46.45 | lcarvalho | Vasistha: exactly. |
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| 05:52.10 | Bohemian | (i'm using debian lenny) |
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| 05:53.04 | Bohemian | oh, no - |
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| 07:20.34 | anton_ | hiho |
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| 07:22.57 | anton_ | quick question: can anyone recommend a tool that assists creating debian binary packages? like generating all the md5-checksums and so on ... gui-driven would be fine ... |
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| 07:23.41 | dondelelcaro | anton_: that's all done using the debhelper tools; see the nm guide and the debhelper documentation for details |
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| 07:24.08 | dondelelcaro | (and no, none of it uses a GUI, but it's not like you'd actually need one in the first place. |
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| 07:25.14 | anton_ | dondelelcaro: ok thank you |
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| 07:30.19 | greenmang0 | has anybody installed debian lenny on ibm eserver system p5? |
| 07:30.44 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: someone probably has |
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| 07:31.46 | greenmang0 | i am getting stuck at a screen which says "Device tree struct 0x01e03000 -> 0x01e11000" |
| 07:32.07 | greenmang0 | can anyone help please? |
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| 07:33.59 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: which p5 model is it? |
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| 07:34.47 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: 510 |
| 07:35.14 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: can you help me please? |
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| 07:36.02 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: I haven't actually installed onto a power5 myself, but my first step would be to try the kmuto installer with a newer kernel to see if that helps |
| 07:36.22 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: the error you're getting is a kernel problem, and since that hardware isn't terribly common, it's likely that a newer kernel may have fixed it |
| 07:36.27 | dondelelcaro | !kmutu |
| 07:36.30 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 07:36.30 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 07:36.56 | dondelelcaro | hrm. actually, he doesn't have newer ppc kernels |
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| 07:37.32 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: hmm :( |
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| 07:38.54 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: anyway, I'd also give a shot with the etch installer to see if that works |
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| 07:39.07 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: alternatively, you can build media yourself with a newer kernel that may work |
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| 07:39.15 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: i am thinking of trying ubuntu 9.10 |
| 07:39.29 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: you may also have better luck asking debian-ppc@lists.debian.org |
| 07:39.41 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: well, any kernel that you can find that will boot will work with Debian too |
| 07:39.51 | dondelelcaro | greenmang0: so you can use Ubuntu to install lenny if you want |
| 07:39.51 | macsim | hi, when I launch a mongrel_cluster_ctl --clean it said Unknow command. but mongrel_cluster_ctl --help display --clean Remove pid files if needed beforehand any idea how to fix that ? thanks |
| 07:39.52 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: that's true |
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| 07:51.40 | tsccof | hi, apt-get is telling me I have many packages that were manually installed and are no longer required... may I run 'apt-get autoremove'? is it safe? |
| 07:52.18 | Vasistha | tsccof: mmm, best to have a good idea of what those packages are before you go removing them. |
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| 07:52.57 | tsccof | Vasistha: yeah, there are many packages that I theoretically need |
| 07:53.19 | iceroot | tsccof: that are packages which are installed because there was a dependency on them, then you removed the package which was pulling them so they are no longer needed because in the package-db nothing is pointing on them anymore |
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| 07:53.40 | tsccof | iceroot: so it is safe to remove them? |
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| 07:54.03 | iceroot | tsccof: i have never seen a case where it was not safe |
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| 07:54.23 | tsccof | iceroot: I came from Slackware, I decided to come here and ask first before trusting apt-get right away |
| 07:54.36 | tsccof | iceroot: glad to hear it, I shall proceed then |
| 07:54.43 | Bop | tsccof, no more compiling !!! |
| 07:54.48 | tsccof | thanks iceroot and Vasistha |
| 07:55.05 | bzrk | hi, does anyone know what settings i need to build a package that installs to /usr/local/dir? i tried modifying the rules file with a custom configure prefix but that did not work. |
| 07:55.07 | iceroot | tsccof: and with apt-get clean you can delete the *.deb files in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 07:55.24 | tsccof | Bop: yeah! |
| 07:55.33 | Bop | tsccof, i've made that change too |
| 07:55.39 | iceroot | bzrk: you have to put usr/local/dir into the dirs-file |
| 07:55.50 | bzrk | aaaah |
| 07:55.53 | bzrk | doh |
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| 07:56.09 | tsccof | Bop: I actually still compile some things, such as pidgin-2.6.6 and snes9x, but a reliable packaging system is a great tool |
| 07:56.11 | bzrk | i was changing the configure option in rules but that didnt work out |
| 07:56.20 | bzrk | iceroot: thanks a lot ill try that |
| 07:56.47 | Bop | tsccof, try bitlbee for msn / jabber ! u just need a irc client ! |
| 07:56.49 | iceroot | bzrk: when building a package the dirs are created in debian/packagename so the dirs-file is the part which is creating the dirs (with dh_maedirs or something like that in the rules-file) |
| 07:57.01 | Bop | tsccof, i've quit pidgin |
| 07:57.28 | tsccof | Bop: hmm, I am still running it at the moment |
| 07:57.31 | iceroot | bitlbee is a great tool and much more great with the combnination of ssh + screen + irssi |
| 07:57.47 | Bop | yeah |
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| 07:57.59 | Bop | but with xchat is ok too |
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| 07:58.53 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc64/cdrom/ |
| 07:59.10 | greenmang0 | how to make use of these files? |
| 07:59.15 | greenmang0 | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
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| 08:08.37 | K0JIbKA | hi there! |
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| 08:09.09 | osfd | Hi there. I'm learning python and this is a lot of fun. Nonetheless, the books I use for my learning experience are based on python 2.6 and I have on my lenny a 2.5. Should I dl the 2.6, compile and install it in order to have the same. The point is that some method does not exist in 2.5... |
| 08:10.36 | tsccof | osfd: I find myself in the same situation. I will compile Python 2.6.4 from scratch |
| 08:11.50 | osfd | tsccof: hhmm, the compilation gives a binary called python, I'm affraid to mess up |
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| 08:12.54 | osfd | tsccof: the compilation process is pretty smooth though |
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| 08:14.12 | tsccof | osfd: make sure you remove the older package first |
| 08:14.28 | tsccof | osfd: and then proceed running make install |
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| 08:14.39 | tsccof | osfd: and if that is not available, run 'install python /usr/bin' |
| 08:14.40 | K0JIbKA | I'm using Debian stable. how to identify which /dev/ttyXXX is my cellphone connected using USB cable? It's needed for wammu configuration. <lsusb > gives this: Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0421:043a Nokia Mobile Phones N70 USB Phone Parent so which /dev/XXXXX is that? |
| 08:14.44 | Bop | use checkinstall to make a proper package, osfd !! |
| 08:15.11 | tsccof | Bop: oh that one, I have never used it. is it smooth? |
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| 08:15.29 | osfd | Bop: hhmm, I take a look at this one... |
| 08:15.31 | Bop | K0JIbKA, if u dont have tty , kernel didnt detect it or is not supported as comm device |
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| 08:16.03 | K0JIbKA | Bop: how to know if I have one? |
| 08:16.06 | Bop | tsccof, i've been using it on slackware, and tryed once on debian , its nice for making proper packages for instalation |
| 08:16.23 | osfd | Bop: make checkinstall ? |
| 08:16.33 | llutz | K0JIbKA: check "dmesg" after plugin the cellphone in |
| 08:16.38 | tsccof | Bop: I generally move sources to /usr/src in case I want to uninstall them one day |
| 08:16.42 | Bop | osfd, its on repositories ... aptitude install checkinstall |
| 08:16.48 | K0JIbKA | I'll do that now |
| 08:17.08 | Bop | tsccof, that's an option too |
| 08:17.10 | osfd | Bop: I don't know his package, what is it for ? |
| 08:17.26 | Bop | osfd, to make deb or tgz or rpm packages |
| 08:17.30 | Bop | from source |
| 08:17.47 | Bop | well, it does make, make isntall , then packages it |
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| 08:18.30 | osfd | Bop: awesome, I'll take a look at it |
| 08:18.43 | Bop | yeah , look at it |
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| 08:20.50 | tsccof | Bop: I will try that one too, making packages from source without SlackBuilds sounds good. I promised to take a look at src2pkg, but never did |
| 08:21.23 | K0JIbKA | Bop:seems like it found Nokia as [13252.714562] usb 3-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=043a and assigned a strange name for that [13253.065538] cdc_acm 3-1:1.8: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 08:21.26 | lvh | Hello. I got two keypairs (id-[dr]sa(.pub)?) which I'm supposed to use to log into a particular host. |
| 08:21.28 | lvh | How do I use them? |
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| 08:21.53 | petern_ | pub is the public key. this is the part that you place in authorized_keys on the hosts |
| 08:22.08 | petern_ | the other is the private kay, the one you use to log in |
| 08:22.21 | nkuttler | !tell lvh about ssh keys |
| 08:22.26 | K0JIbKA | Bop:/dev/ttyACM0 is it? |
| 08:22.30 | Bop | K0JIbKA, well , that's your tty then |
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| 08:24.41 | lvh | nkuttler: Thanks. |
| 08:24.41 | osfd | Bop: It'll check for packages already installed ? |
| 08:25.09 | Bop | osfd, no , it just makes the package ... its a package builder , not a package manager |
| 08:25.15 | lvh | nkuttler: I'm reading 4. SSH with Keys in a console window, but it appears to want to create a new pair (I already have one) and it places it in the default spot (~/.ssh/id-dsa(.pub)?) |
| 08:25.48 | lvh | nkuttler: but apparently that means I need ssh-agent/ssh-add. Thanks for the link :) |
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| 08:26.16 | K0JIbKA | Bop: /dev/ttyACM1 finally... |
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| 08:26.38 | Bop | it was assigned to ACM1 ? what about 0 ? |
| 08:27.08 | osfd | Bop: oh ok, and it will not install a thing if I don't ask him |
| 08:27.12 | nkuttler | lvh: who gave you the keys? |
| 08:27.23 | Bop | osfd, nope ... u need to dpkg -i to install it |
| 08:27.31 | osfd | Bop: perfect |
| 08:28.03 | nkuttler | lvh: anyway, just put them in your ~/.ssh and do ssh -vvv user@host |
| 08:28.29 | K0JIbKA | Bop:I read <dmesg> till end:) |
| 08:28.37 | tsccof | compiling python.. |
| 08:28.37 | Bop | oh , ok |
| 08:28.46 | Selveste1 | Hey, I have just installed a free Lenny, with nm-applet, when I join a network after update, it dosn't set my resolv.conf file, I haven't changed anything other then installing a kernel, and upgrading nm-applet resolvconf and network-manager to testing lenny-backports, is there any one that have the same problem.? |
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| 08:28.57 | Selveste1 | *free = fresh |
| 08:29.30 | greenmang0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.34 | greenmang0 | what to do? |
| 08:29.37 | Bop | Selveste1, wicd , does that |
| 08:30.07 | Selveste1 | Bop: nm-applet did it until I upgraded, but I will try wicd |
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| 08:30.44 | Bop | im off |
| 08:31.03 | K0JIbKA | Bop:Good luck! |
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| 08:33.55 | osfd | tsccof: I'm right now building the .deb |
| 08:34.09 | tsccof | osfd: me too |
| 08:34.11 | osfd | tsccof: package build |
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| 08:36.33 | osfd | tsccof: will you remove all installed packages before installing this one ? |
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| 08:37.19 | osfd | tsccof: or maybe just python2.5 |
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| 08:38.10 | tsccof | osfd: no need to. here is the thing: if you build a package, you do not need to remove the older one, since the new package will replace it |
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| 08:39.07 | tsccof | osfd: but, if you do not build a package and install directly from source, you should remove the older one first, using apt-get remove <packakgename> or dpkg -r <packagename>, install the new one from source and move the source to /usr/src (inside its own folder) |
| 08:39.14 | abadr | What's the best way to do something like "useradd" that won't fail if the user already exists, but will fail for any other reason? |
| 08:39.18 | abadr | for a server setup script |
| 08:40.28 | \amethyst | getent passwd username || useradd |
| 08:40.38 | \amethyst | assuming you don't mind the race condition |
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| 08:41.33 | \amethyst | or useradd || [[ $? != 9 ]] |
| 08:42.13 | Selveste1 | okay, I have just tryed with wicd, and it dosen't update resolv.conf to |
| 08:42.26 | osfd | tsccof: so you think I can go with a dpkg -i |
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| 08:43.06 | g00se | Is there a utility that can query a DVD-RW for its firmware revision? |
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| 08:43.53 | abadr | \amethyst: beautiful. thanks. |
| 08:44.10 | tsccof | osfd: checkinstall automatically installs the package for us |
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| 08:45.03 | \amethyst | abadr: oops, that should have been = not != |
| 08:45.07 | \amethyst | abadr: in the second one |
| 08:45.09 | tsccof | osfd: after building the package, run "python -V" to check what version you are currently running... check if it is the one you just built |
| 08:45.14 | abadr | got it |
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| 08:47.07 | osfd | tsccof: damn, it's already installed |
| 08:47.34 | tsccof | osfd: told you, did that work fine? |
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| 08:47.55 | osfd | tsccof: works fine |
| 08:48.21 | osfd | I just hop it's compatible with qt libraries |
| 08:48.35 | tsccof | osfd: what version did you build? |
| 08:48.53 | osfd | tsccof: 2.6.5 |
| 08:49.02 | osfd | tsccof: so it should be compatible |
| 08:49.26 | tsccof | osfd: I built the same one |
| 08:49.40 | tsccof | osfd: are you reading "A Byte of Python"? |
| 08:51.16 | osfd | tsccof: no, I read python tutorial and I'll probably read dive into python |
| 08:51.33 | osfd | tsccof: and also gui programming with pyqt |
| 08:51.41 | tsccof | osfd: byte of python is good |
| 08:51.47 | the-dude | tsccof: is it good? |
| 08:52.05 | osfd | tsccof: title is funny though |
| 08:52.39 | tsccof | the-dude: it is a good book for learning Python, and it supports Python 2.X and 3.X |
| 08:52.54 | tsccof | the-dude: both versions are available in PDF |
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| 08:53.24 | tsccof | http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python |
| 08:53.26 | the-dude | tsccof: ah ok thanks, I mind read it some day |
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| 08:53.55 | the-dude | hmmz start with 2.* or 3.* ? |
| 08:54.02 | osfd | tsccof: can't find it |
| 08:54.36 | osfd | tsccof: got it, sorry |
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| 08:55.11 | tsccof | the-dude: I recommend 2.6.4 or 2.6.5 |
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| 08:55.32 | tsccof | the-dude: set gedit's highlighting option to python source code and you are good to go |
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| 08:56.24 | the-dude | tsccof: nice thanks :) |
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| 09:04.28 | OpenTokix | Den som inte har sin ålders själ får nöja sig med sin ålders plågor. |
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| 09:04.42 | Athas | How do I globally set an environment variable that will be visible in all daemons? |
| 09:05.23 | rvsjoen | there's no such thing, environment variables are set in the shell |
| 09:05.29 | Athas | Should I put an invocation of setenv in rc.local? |
| 09:05.40 | rvsjoen | no |
| 09:05.53 | Athas | But all programs have an environment, and I want to change the contents of that environment. |
| 09:05.58 | rvsjoen | are you expecting it to change ? |
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| 09:07.01 | rvsjoen | I mean, you can put it in your shell's startup scripts, making it available in all shells, but they are still separate, and changing in one shell won't affect the others |
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| 09:07.26 | Athas | Right, so I need to change it in a very early program, perhaps init, so it will be inherited by all processes spawned by it. |
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| 09:07.59 | Athas | I mean, there are a bunch of environment variables set in all processes already ($PATH for one), surely those are not hardcoded? |
| 09:08.26 | rvsjoen | hardcoded, no, but if you open up two shells and change the PATH in one, the other one won't be affected |
| 09:08.36 | rvsjoen | they are read from /etc/profile when the shell is created |
| 09:08.39 | themill | /etc/environment |
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| 09:08.49 | zrin | is it possible to enter null character (Ctrl-V Ctrl-@) on german keyboard? |
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| 09:09.10 | zrin | (and get ^@ in vi e.g.) |
| 09:09.11 | Athas | Ah, /etc/environment looks like what I need. |
| 09:09.13 | osfd | and now I have qt4 module issues... |
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| 09:09.21 | Athas | When, during boot, is it sourced? |
| 09:09.30 | JyZyXEL | how do i test if my local mail delivery is working? |
| 09:10.41 | jelly | echo test | mail username |
| 09:10.51 | g00se | zrin: (Depending on your version) Ctrl-V u 0000 |
| 09:10.57 | rvsjoen | athas: if you are trying to do what I think you are, it won't help, but I might have understood you wrong |
| 09:12.17 | themill | zrin: what program are you trying to do this in -- extended input things vary a lot depending on context |
| 09:12.29 | zrin | g00se: Strg-V u 0000 ? it gives me u0000 (?) |
| 09:12.34 | zrin | themill: bash and vi |
| 09:12.48 | themill | zrin: Ctrl+V 000 (in vi) |
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| 09:13.26 | \amethyst | in vim ctrl-v ctrl-j is possibly faster |
| 09:13.30 | \amethyst | though unintuitive |
| 09:13.53 | zrin | themill: thank you |
| 09:14.30 | \amethyst | bash won't let you enter a NUL though |
| 09:14.40 | zrin | \amethyst: thank you, Strg-V Strg-J in vim |
| 09:14.47 | jelly | zsh does Ctrl-V Ctrl-Space without issues |
| 09:15.18 | zrin | \amethyst: I see ... I'm trying IFS='^@' read txt |
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| 09:16.11 | zrin | jelly: bash allows Ctrl-Space as input, but apparently not while typing a command line |
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| 09:16.21 | zrin | (?) |
| 09:16.29 | jelly | $'\0' ? |
| 09:16.29 | \amethyst | zrin: in bash a variable (e.g. IFS) can't contain a NUL |
| 09:16.39 | osfd | I'm back, my python2.5 knows about my qt libraries but my 2.6 does not... |
| 09:16.40 | \amethyst | that would be the same thing as IFS='' |
| 09:16.44 | \amethyst | which isn't the same |
| 09:16.49 | zrin | \amethyst: I see, thanks |
| 09:17.11 | \amethyst | you can have read use NUL as the end-of-line delimiter with -d '', but not as the word delimiter |
| 09:17.29 | g00se | zrin: What's the goal? |
| 09:17.43 | jelly | or just tr '\0' '#' or something else, and parse that |
| 09:18.23 | jelly | zrin: what are you really trying to do |
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| 09:20.48 | zrin | g00se: read input into variable up to null char or end of stream |
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| 09:21.58 | \amethyst | zrin: in that case, IFS='' read -r -d '' var |
| 09:22.51 | \amethyst | -d '' is the important part, but the others are necessary to avoid mangling backslashes and leading/trailing whitespace |
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| 09:25.35 | g00se | zrin: Should be able to do something like X=$(cat input | xargs -0) |
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| 09:26.11 | Juozapas | hi, how to simple open ftp port (21) in my debian router ? |
| 09:26.21 | bohne | does anyone here use apt-mirror? is there a logfile anywhere about the transfers? |
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| 09:27.06 | \amethyst | g00se: that will replace NULs with spaces, with a newline thrown in every 2MB or so |
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| 09:34.58 | jelly | zrin: where does that input come from? |
| 09:36.07 | zrin | jelly: parsed html ... I don't know where from I've copied that IFS='^@' |
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| 09:36.30 | jelly | zrin: how in the hell do you get \0s in html! :-) |
| 09:36.58 | zrin | jelly: that html passes several parsing stages |
| 09:38.10 | jelly | sounds like a job for Perl, not bash! |
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| 09:43.38 | JohnNew | does anyone know? |
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| 09:47.55 | jelly | zrin: I often do lines-of-output | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 ..., if you know a character won't appear in the output, tr the other way might work |
| 09:48.34 | AmokPaule | Hello is there any news on debian squeeze? |
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| 09:50.04 | pngwn | AmokPaule, if there were any news, it'd be in the topic |
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| 09:51.16 | Avasz | can i ask about debxo here? |
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| 09:54.45 | ribasushi | apt-get install X |
| 09:54.57 | ribasushi | does this ever try to install recommended packages |
| 09:55.02 | ribasushi | or just dependencies and nothing else? |
| 09:55.15 | blip2 | just dependancies |
| 09:55.18 | themill | dpkg: tell ribasushi about apt recommends |
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| 09:55.41 | themill | blip2: if you define "recommended" packages as dependencies (which debian does), then you are right. |
| 09:55.50 | \amethyst | blip2: it installs recommends by default |
| 09:56.03 | ribasushi | allright, configtime it is then |
| 09:56.08 | ribasushi | pesky bloat :) |
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| 09:56.31 | themill | ribasushi: it is expected that users will install recommended packages in all but unusual situations where they do the wrong thing. |
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| 09:56.55 | \amethyst | you can specifically exclude particular recommended packages with aptitude |
| 09:57.04 | \amethyst | aptitude install foo bad-recommend- |
| 09:57.05 | ribasushi | that's fine, my expectations are that I know every single package on my system |
| 09:57.22 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a questiona bout apache....it seams the defaulyt mod_suexec doesn't allow files outside /var/www ...if I recompile suexec it will mess up debian structure right? |
| 09:57.24 | themill | \amethyst: or : instead of - if you like |
| 09:57.25 | ribasushi | apt provides an option to turn this off, so I'm happy |
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| 09:57.45 | blip2 | "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:" |
| 09:57.53 | blip2 | aptitude doesn't |
| 09:57.57 | themill | blip2: it does. |
| 09:58.08 | \amethyst | blip2: lenny? |
| 09:58.12 | jelly | blip2: -R |
| 09:58.22 | themill | ribasushi: please don't complain when things don't work out of the box as you desire. |
| 09:58.32 | ribasushi | themill: where did I complain? |
| 09:58.32 | blip2 | sid |
| 09:58.45 | themill | ribasushi: just being preventative. |
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| 09:59.06 | jelly | ribasushi: you're not the only user to hate that behavior! |
| 09:59.12 | blip2 | its just installed dependancies but none of the recommended |
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| 09:59.42 | \amethyst | blip2: do you have something about Install-Recommends in /etc/apt/apt.conf or in ~/.aptitude/config ? |
| 09:59.49 | blip2 | nop |
| 09:59.58 | blip2 | just using sudo aptitude ... |
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| 10:00.43 | blip2 | *shrug* |
| 10:00.50 | blip2 | fwm |
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| 10:01.23 | ribasushi | themill: but since you are so proud of "doing the right thing" I shall complain: <rant> If I want an OS that will give me "linux on the desktop" experience, with bells wistles and tons of wasted space/cpu cycles I'll choose the kindergarden version of debian that starts with U and ends with buntu, thank you very much. Debian users are not idiots </rant> |
| 10:01.29 | ribasushi | jelly: hi-five :) |
| 10:01.58 | themill | ribasushi: /msg dpkg reportbug ; please send patches. |
| 10:02.46 | themill | ribasushi: the experience you suggest implies installing things that the user *might* want to added, non-core functionality so that things just work. That's what recommended packages are for. |
| 10:02.47 | jelly | "do not heed recommends if the package is automatically installed" |
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| 10:03.18 | themill | jelly: probably more "libraries should recommend packages" |
| 10:03.23 | IRConan | is there a meta-package for the debian base system? |
| 10:03.27 | themill | s/should/shouldn't/ |
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| 10:04.32 | \amethyst | ribasushi: it's not all about desktop stuff; e.g. cron recommends a mta because without a mta you'll never know if your cron job is failing |
| 10:05.43 | ribasushi | \amethyst: this is addressed by "debian users aren't idiots" |
| 10:05.59 | ribasushi | anyway - a real blatant example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550479 |
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| 10:06.20 | ribasushi | that's not even recommends, there's no escape - you install a program - you get a daemon >.< |
| 10:06.41 | themill | ribasushi: so that's a really good example of why recommends are bad then... ffs. |
| 10:06.56 | \amethyst | so dependencies are bad, too |
| 10:07.10 | ribasushi | no, retarded dependencies are bad |
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| 10:08.00 | themill | ribasushi: have you sent patches yet? If you haven't, you lose the right to rant. And ranting is off-topic in #debian. It achieves nothing other than to demoralise and distract people who would otherwise be doing something more useful... like working on packages! |
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| 10:09.01 | ribasushi | themill: attitudes are sadly non-patchable (or at least I don't know how to write such patches) |
| 10:09.18 | ribasushi | anyway - go back to whatever you were doing, I certainly am |
| 10:09.19 | themill | ribasushi: if you don't like gnome, don't use it |
| 10:09.39 | ribasushi | themill: I don't use it, I don't have it |
| 10:09.54 | themill | So you're ranting about a bug that doesn't even affect you. |
| 10:09.57 | themill | *plonk* |
| 10:10.00 | ribasushi | themill: the point was that there is one GUI utility, that depends on a library, that depends on a daemon |
| 10:10.07 | ribasushi | themill: I need the GUI utility |
| 10:10.36 | ribasushi | the reason I brought it up, is that this chain very well illustrates how far can things go if you blindly install recommends |
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| 10:11.40 | \amethyst | ribasushi: do you have another recommendation for how to fix #519263 ? |
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| 10:12.51 | ribasushi | \amethyst: introduce a meta package that pulls in lib+daemon for things that need the library functions useful with the daemon only |
| 10:12.56 | ribasushi | \amethyst: or split the library |
| 10:13.02 | ribasushi | \amethyst: or something else I can't think of |
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| 10:13.21 | ribasushi | the "quick fix" is just a sloppy "hdd is cheap" workaround |
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| 10:13.24 | \amethyst | ribasushi: the former sounds reasonable |
| 10:13.36 | \amethyst | ribasushi: splitting the library isn't because of binary compatibility |
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| 10:15.59 | ribasushi | \amethyst: so where can I go with that...? I mean the maintainer clearly indicates current state of affairs is acceptable |
| 10:17.24 | \amethyst | ribasushi: probably boycott GNOME |
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| 10:18.04 | \amethyst | ribasushi: the problem is, most GNOME programs would need to at least recommend the metapackage, since most GNOME programs support URLs |
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| 10:20.51 | marsje | is there a way to find out which package caused another package to be installed by APT? |
| 10:21.07 | ribasushi | marsje: aptitude, find the package, press 'r' |
| 10:21.10 | marsje | concrete: I have avahi-daemon installed because something else needed it, but what? |
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| 10:21.15 | ribasushi | marsje: it shows "who depends on me" |
| 10:21.34 | marsje | ribasushi: let me try... any chance this works without a gui too? |
| 10:21.38 | \amethyst | ribasushi: another option would be to convince Oracle to not use GNOME |
| 10:21.49 | ribasushi | marsje: it does, but I don't remember the syntax :) |
| 10:21.55 | \amethyst | marsje: aptitude why packagename |
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| 10:22.00 | ribasushi | marsje: aptitude is curses, not gui |
| 10:22.18 | ribasushi | marsje: I find it extremely useful at hand-tuning what is installed and what isn;'t |
| 10:22.23 | eagles0513875 | hey guys im just wondering are there any ssh clients that support ipv6 |
| 10:22.56 | ribasushi | eaglerock_: are there any that don't ? :) |
| 10:23.14 | \amethyst | ribasushi: actually, in squeeze aptitude is now both (separate packages, but /usr/bin/aptitude is now an alternative) |
| 10:23.35 | ribasushi | \amethyst: ah missed that |
| 10:23.38 | marsje | ribasushi: avahi-daemon should be in my installed package list in the net section, but I don't see it there |
| 10:23.50 | ribasushi | marsje: don't go by sections |
| 10:23.56 | ribasushi | marsje: simply search (/) |
| 10:24.15 | ribasushi | marsje: it may be in the "upgradeable" or "obsolete" |
| 10:25.46 | \amethyst | eagles0513875: openssh does |
| 10:25.53 | \amethyst | eagles0513875: ssh username@::1 |
| 10:26.23 | eagles0513875 | \amethyst: ok any windows cleints just incase i am on a windows machine |
| 10:26.37 | marsje | ribasushi: found it... it was sane-utils who recommends avahi-daemon |
| 10:27.47 | \amethyst | eagles0513875: I believe at least the nightly builds of putty have ipv6 |
| 10:27.50 | marsje | ribasushi: thanks fo the tip |
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| 10:28.01 | eagles0513875 | ok \amethyst thanks will ask in there |
| 10:29.06 | \amethyst | eagles0513875: ah, actually, it's been in the release since 2005 |
| 10:29.16 | eagles0513875 | ahh ok \amethyst :) |
| 10:29.25 | eagles0513875 | just thinking about vps hosting im workign on setting up |
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| 10:29.36 | eagles0513875 | the dc supports ipv6 |
| 10:29.39 | eagles0513875 | and can request more ipv6 |
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| 10:29.51 | eagles0513875 | ips so i was wondering if there was a way icould connect :) ty |
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| 10:54.32 | miro_dietiker | how do i ban a package from being installed? |
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| 11:08.15 | Nurbs | miro_dietiker: I am not sure whether this is generally possible, but you can use aptitude's forbid-version to have aptitude not install a specific version of a package |
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| 11:10.50 | miro_dietiker | Nurbs - alternatively i might build a debian package from my custom build .-) |
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| 11:13.19 | Nurbs | What do you want to achieve? If you are trying to forbid installation because you already installed a package manually you could try using the equivs package (of course possibly breaking other packages if your build doesn't interact well with them) |
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| 11:15.38 | greenmang0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.09 | abrotman | and then it dies? isn't that PowerPC ? |
| 11:16.38 | tarzeau | it is kinda |
| 11:16.39 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yeah |
| 11:16.56 | greenmang0 | i get that output on screen and system freezes |
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| 11:17.51 | simonrvn | might be missing the initrd in your bootloader config |
| 11:17.54 | tarzeau | greenmang0: network install? |
| 11:18.08 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: no.. i am using cd |
| 11:18.24 | cantido | Is it possible to run the linux-ha heartbeat stuff without broadcast traffic (my machines are in different subnets that can't broadcast to each other) |
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| 11:18.52 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 11:18.52 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:20.05 | tarzeau | greenmang0: why do you want to run debian on it? |
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| 11:22.35 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: cause that's the only distribution we use on servers.... |
| 11:22.50 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: we don't have RH expertise .. :) |
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| 11:23.09 | cantido | what sort of PPC machine is it? |
| 11:23.21 | simonrvn | ibm p5 |
| 11:23.29 | simonrvn | power5 |
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| 11:25.16 | tarzeau | greenmang0: but why not just throw the ibm p5 power5 away and get a new machine? |
| 11:25.31 | cantido | would have thought that would be easier to get debian running on than a mac or other funky ppc machine |
| 11:25.37 | tarzeau | greenmang0: do you need any special power5 binary that you need to run? |
| 11:25.51 | tarzeau | cantido: mac g3-g4 are very easy |
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| 11:25.58 | tarzeau | cantido: unless you want dual boot |
| 11:26.00 | simonrvn | might be missing the initrd in your bootloader config |
| 11:26.03 | cantido | tarzeau: mac bootloaders are weird though |
| 11:26.07 | tarzeau | cantido: but also very very slow |
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| 11:26.18 | tarzeau | cantido: yaboot? no they're as simple as palo and silo |
| 11:26.21 | cantido | tarzeau: even the new EFI stuff is weird/crap |
| 11:26.32 | tarzeau | cantido: wait you mean INTEL MACS! not powerpc |
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| 11:26.39 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: no.... and we can't just throw away that power5 machine.... |
| 11:26.43 | tarzeau | cantido: i don't think this EFI crap is an invitation of apple |
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| 11:26.48 | cantido | tarzeau: no no, powerpc mac bootloaders were difficult too |
| 11:27.08 | tarzeau | cantido: not the new world macs, maybe the old world ones with m68k cpus |
| 11:27.15 | cantido | silo was the reason I switched my sparc to netbsd though.. that was a pain in the arse |
| 11:27.24 | simonrvn | thinks cantido is confused |
| 11:27.25 | tarzeau | cantido: i've run a g3 ibook for a long time, and now some g4 imacs |
| 11:27.41 | tarzeau | cantido: i never had troubles with silo and linux on ultrasparcs... |
| 11:27.41 | petemc | the rs6000 i used to use didnt have a boot loader at all, you just had to dd a kernel to a prep partition |
| 11:28.14 | tarzeau | sgi mips was weird! yeah |
| 11:28.19 | cantido | simonrvn: nah, just had trouble with getting a ppc mac running debian ages ago.. probably different now |
| 11:28.20 | tarzeau | alpha's are easy too |
| 11:28.47 | simonrvn | was probably an oldworld box |
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| 11:28.56 | cantido | tarzeau: I had trouble with partition sizes and stuff |
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| 11:29.38 | simonrvn | those are the only ones that are tricky besides m68k macs and the nubus ppcs |
| 11:30.02 | simonrvn | though some of the former can be easy too |
| 11:30.05 | tarzeau | well alpha, sparc, m68k, they're not produced anymore, and they're way too slow nowadays, so it's fun and nice to port things, but other than that |
| 11:30.10 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: current system is already running RH we want to replace it with Debian |
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| 11:30.21 | cantido | tarzeau: m68k-ish machines are still out there |
| 11:30.26 | tarzeau | greenmang0: oh why not just debootrap it from rh? |
| 11:30.53 | cantido | tarzeau: some of the coldfire chips are fairly compatible |
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| 11:31.01 | tarzeau | cantido: sure, but with linux? way too slow to do anything like on a desktop |
| 11:31.18 | tarzeau | cantido: aha yeah for devices it might be good. for computers, no way |
| 11:31.22 | cantido | tarzeau: not everyone needs a desktop machine,.. |
| 11:31.35 | tarzeau | cantido: true, i was talking as being a desktop user |
| 11:32.52 | cantido | I can't remember who it was.. but one of the DPL runners did suggest that some ports like m68k might be allowed to only build a subset of debian.. sounded like a good idea to me |
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| 11:33.18 | tarzeau | cantido: like without gnome, kde, openoffice, gimp, scribus, inkscape and 3d/opengl games? |
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| 11:33.40 | MNZ | Hi. Is there no lib32asound2-plugins for lenny? I can't seem to find a lenny version... |
| 11:33.57 | cantido | tarzeau: well, unless you have an 060 you might as well forget X11 on an m68k machine |
| 11:33.58 | abrotman | MNZ: packages.debian.org/lib32asound2-plugins |
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| 11:34.44 | MNZ | so why isn't there a lenny version...?? I have to update a whole bunch of stuff (libc, gcc, etc) to get the testing version |
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| 11:36.35 | \amethyst | MNZ: the maintainers simply hadn't implemented it yet |
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| 11:37.38 | petern_ | you could manually extract and install them from the i386 packages? |
| 11:37.42 | \amethyst | MNZ: you might be able to backport |
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| 11:39.06 | MNZ | Ok, I'll check the backports then see if I can just extract them for the i386 pkgs. Thanks |
| 11:39.19 | \amethyst | there isn't anything in backports now |
| 11:39.29 | \amethyst | I was suggesting rebuilding the package from the sid sources |
| 11:39.30 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 11:39.30 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 11:40.19 | \amethyst | well, lib32asound2 1.0.22-2 is in backports, but the -plugins package is not |
| 11:41.02 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: what does it mean? debootstraping from RH??? |
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| 11:41.47 | tarzeau | greenmang0: capricorn.woot.net/~jdrew/debian-chroot.html |
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| 11:43.37 | greenmang0 | tarzeau: sounds good :) ... but we don't want such a system |
| 11:43.46 | cantido | greenmang0: if you have a spare/swap partition you can do good things with debootstrap |
| 11:44.19 | tarzeau | greenmang0: why not? you want a debian system you can easily install it once linux is already on it and running |
| 11:44.45 | cantido | greenmang0: i.e. create a debian rootfs using debootstrap in the spare partition and using your existing kernel to boot that... then install a debian kernel and copy the fs over to the real root |
| 11:45.16 | Mowee | Hi :o |
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| 12:04.28 | poncha|msec | i'm looking for a command-line utility to add a digital signature into pdf (compatible with adobe tools). anyone familiar with such a tool? |
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| 12:05.10 | abrotman | signature? or watermark? |
| 12:05.47 | poncha|msec | signature |
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| 12:07.27 | poncha|msec | abrotman: if a pdf is digitally signed, the reader shows a bar on top where it shows signature verification status |
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| 12:20.10 | abrotman | poncha|msec: pdftk ? pdfedit ? |
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| 12:31.16 | testi | is there a tool to calculate the peak signal to noise ratio of 2 video files? |
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| 12:41.44 | tomiondrums | hi, how can i find out which configure-options/-flags have been used to build a particular debian-package? |
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| 12:44.54 | abrotman | !tell tomiondrums about debian/rules |
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| 12:45.43 | AnjoLegal | Good Morning |
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| 12:49.16 | tomiondrums | abrotman: that doen't help me very much as README.source doesn't contain any informatiion about the build-flags |
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| 12:49.29 | abrotman | tomiondrums: you're supposed to read the debian/rules file |
| 12:50.05 | tomiondrums | abrotman: oh, i see -- thanks! |
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| 12:50.50 | Tridento | good afternoon. |
| 12:50.54 | vinsci | abrotman, it's a standard Makefile, just named rules |
| 12:51.49 | ethanol | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. (warning). |
| 12:51.52 | ethanol | ^ whut? :< |
| 12:52.02 | abrotman | vinsci: why are you tellingm e ? |
| 12:52.12 | vinsci | er, sry |
| 12:52.20 | vinsci | tomiondrums, it's a standard Makefile, just named rules |
| 12:52.39 | Tridento | which is better or which do most perfer: xcfe gnome or kde? |
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| 12:53.19 | mguy | Is there any gotchas to running Core i3/5/7 processors or SSD in Linux? I have a new system that is slower than my old C2D and regular HD |
| 12:53.23 | petemc | Tridento: why dont you try them all yourself |
| 12:53.35 | cantido | mguy: how have you tested "slower" |
| 12:53.58 | cantido | mguy: some SSD's have really really really poor write performance |
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| 12:54.33 | Tridento | yes true i have a o1gb usb stick will that be enough to start with? |
| 12:54.34 | mguy | Building gimp is almsot 6 minutes as compared to 3 minutes. Would the low '4k-writes' be the reasoning behind that? |
| 12:54.42 | Tridento | 1gb* |
| 12:55.14 | mguy | Tridento: That will hold most distributions. That said, GNOME is the most popular, but KDE is available as an alternate in most cases |
| 12:55.32 | cantido | mguy: have you used atop or something see what the system is doing during the build? |
| 12:55.42 | Tridento | thanks mguy |
| 12:55.46 | shining | oh my. I did a whole debian install but I forgot to remove this stupid check : http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2010/03/msg00022.html . so I've just done a second one, this time it rebooted fine, but I cannot login with ssh :P |
| 12:55.47 | neutral | fvwms ftw |
| 12:55.56 | mguy | cantido: I'll try it in a few minutes. What should I be looking for? |
| 12:56.04 | cantido | Tridento: 1gb usb stick will be pretty cramped TBH |
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| 12:56.11 | mguy | shining: Did you install openssh-server? |
| 12:56.35 | shining | mguy: yeah ssh is on and running, it doesnt accept my password though, both for rount and the user account I created |
| 12:56.41 | cantido | mguy: well, if your disk io is slow atop or one of the other similar enhanced tops should point it out |
| 12:56.47 | shining | I just clicked "enable ssh server" in tasksel |
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| 12:57.22 | cantido | mguy: maybe you had ccache on your old system... maybe you should be passing the right -j option to make.. |
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| 12:57.55 | mguy | -j4 on both machines |
| 12:57.59 | shining | I am sure I am fucked again just because of one stupid minor option. I guess I really need a serial cable, but I've no idea where to find the components |
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| 12:58.02 | mguy | no ccache |
| 12:58.35 | shining | is ssh really supposed to work out of the box ? |
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| 12:58.46 | shining | not any configuration needed ? |
| 12:58.54 | mguy | shining: Can you double-check that it is installed? |
| 12:59.03 | cantido | shining: the ssh server isnt installed by default |
| 12:59.04 | shining | I cannot do anything, but its running |
| 12:59.16 | shining | cantido: as I said, I selected it in tasksel during install |
| 12:59.39 | shining | its an embedded device, ssh is my only way to access it |
| 12:59.47 | cantido | shining: ok, can you connect at all or do your get connection refused or no route to host or something? |
| 13:00.02 | shining | cantido: it just doesnt accept my password |
| 13:00.19 | cantido | shining: trying to login as root?[5~ |
| 13:00.30 | cantido | thinks debian accepts root logins by default though.. |
| 13:00.31 | shining | root and user |
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| 13:00.45 | cantido | shining: you'll have to get a serial console and check the auth log then |
| 13:00.46 | shining | I am 100% sure of the two passwords and I've tried 100 times already |
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| 13:01.25 | cantido | shining: ssh will stop logins if the config files have the wrong perms etc.. so you really need to look at the auth.log to fix it quickly |
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| 13:01.29 | llutz | shining: different keymaps, psecial chars in passwords? |
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| 13:01.41 | zak_ | hi |
| 13:02.08 | zak_ | how to format my usb disk ? |
| 13:02.30 | cantido | zak_: like any other disk |
| 13:02.31 | shining | llutz: user password is very simple, and I already used these two passwords with ssh before. keymap was qwerty, and I still use qwerty. I also tried to type it in azerty just in case |
| 13:02.34 | petemc | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdXN |
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| 13:02.49 | petemc | taking care to ensure you have the right device |
| 13:02.51 | abrotman | vfat ? |
| 13:02.55 | shining | cantido: if at least it was an usb drive, I could easily plug it in another system |
| 13:03.03 | shining | sadly its two sata in raid1 |
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| 13:03.06 | petemc | abrotman: is that not the most common fs for usb devices? |
| 13:03.18 | abrotman | petemc: dunno, i split the one i use for personal backups |
| 13:03.20 | shining | I dont know where to find/buy these components in france : http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-219/serial.html |
| 13:03.24 | cantido | shining: yeah, I would try and get a serial console setup for times like this though.. do you need TTL RS232 for it? |
| 13:03.28 | shining | yup |
| 13:03.34 | zak_ | abrotman: it is a mp3 device i want to foramt completely |
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| 13:03.53 | cantido | shining: if you by a cheap FTDI usb -> usb adaptor you can get 3.3v or 5v TTL RS232 ;) |
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| 13:04.00 | cantido | shining: usb -> rs232 |
| 13:05.47 | zak_ | thnx |
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| 13:06.34 | cantido | shining: can you not plug on of the disks into another system and mount it ro just to check whats happening with SSH? |
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| 13:09.17 | shining | cantido: its not very practical but I think I will try this anyway , I am too confused by the serial stuff, I never used that. what happens if I write on one drive and then plug it back to the mdadm raid1 array ? |
| 13:09.58 | Titan8990 | embedded device with a raid1? |
| 13:10.04 | shining | a nas |
| 13:10.21 | cantido | shining: mount RO and you're fine |
| 13:10.28 | shining | actually I can easily connect one of the two drive, but not the second one. I would need to unmount them both completely |
| 13:10.35 | shining | cantido: yeah but how do I fix things :) |
| 13:11.13 | cantido | shining: mmm if you start the array up on the other machine with a disk missing, do stuff, then put it back.. you would hope the array would get corrected |
| 13:11.21 | cantido | shining: otherwise there isn't much point of RAID1 |
| 13:11.54 | Titan8990 | may have to manually degrade the raid and rebuild, but there should not be much danger |
| 13:12.36 | shining | well I am curious how it fix things when two drives differ, how can it choose which one to use |
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| 13:13.13 | cantido | I would kick the disk thats not being removed out of the raid on the NAS, shut down the nas, stick the not-kicked-out disk into the other machine, fix it, put disk back into nas and boot from it... then add the removed disk back into the array |
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| 13:13.41 | shining | yeah I see |
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| 13:14.13 | cantido | You should try and get a serial console sorted though |
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| 13:14.32 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 13:15.16 | ReeF | How block ultrasurf using iptables ? Or Mimetype ? |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | #netfilter |
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| 13:17.03 | shining | yeah that would be a great help. I've never had problems with openwrt on a router, but the system is much smaller , more robust and all pre-configured. very quick to flash the whole preinstalled system to recover if it ever breaks |
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| 13:17.37 | shining | cantido: anyway thanks a lot for all the help, I will see what I manage to do later today. |
| 13:18.24 | cantido | shining: its probably just a really small issue ;) |
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| 13:19.02 | shining | yes, very likely |
| 13:19.12 | shining | gotta love embedded :) |
| 13:19.30 | shining | where the simplest issue becomes complicated |
| 13:20.25 | cantido | well, if you dont have any sort of access to fix something.. |
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| 13:23.01 | shining | why isnt there a modern and cheap and easy way to connect |
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| 13:23.37 | Titan8990 | because serial consoles still work just as good as they did 20 years ago? |
| 13:23.44 | cantido | low voltage serial consoles are just that |
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| 13:24.17 | Titan8990 | and for me its pretty easy... plug in serial console -> open putty -> click serial -> connect.... |
| 13:24.21 | cantido | if you get a really cheap FTDI dongle you're set |
| 13:24.47 | Titan8990 | the cutecom front-end for minicom is just as easy |
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| 13:25.05 | shining | "If you want to connect a serial console to the QNAP TS-21x, you'll need a 3.3V TTL to RS-232 level shifter. The serial connector is of type JST PHR-4 and the wires need to be crimped into a JST SPH-002T-P0.5S connector pin before it can be fitted inside the JST PHR-4 connector. The pin layout is as follows from left to right: " |
| 13:25.12 | shining | sounds like chinese to me |
| 13:25.36 | Titan8990 | shining: sounds like "go buy a serial cable" to me :p |
| 13:25.43 | cantido | shining: normal RS232 uses voltages of -12v to +12v |
| 13:25.49 | cantido | shining: which will fry your machine |
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| 13:26.23 | cantido | shining: soo, you cant just wire up a normal serial port |
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| 13:29.21 | shining | Titan8990: not to me |
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| 13:29.38 | maligor | ttl 3.3v is a cheap and modern way to connect :P |
| 13:29.49 | maligor | then there's the cheap and modern jtag too |
| 13:29.50 | shining | cantido: so if I had something like http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/UC232R.htm , I need to cut the cable, and plug the wires into a JST SPH-002T-P0.5S , whatever that is ? |
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| 13:30.42 | Titan8990 | I have a serial cable that came with a cisco router and another from a hp procurve switch. I have never bothered to look into voltages and all that stuff |
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| 13:31.31 | cantido | shining: if you get one of the board type things from china off ebay they generally have a bunch of labelled pads and a jumper for 5v or 3.3v |
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| 13:33.36 | maligor | the SPH-002T-P0.5S is a connector probably |
| 13:33.49 | maligor | typically one would buy them off electronics shops |
| 13:34.47 | aguitel | anyone know cd burner in lxde |
| 13:34.47 | cantido | you probably dont need the connector |
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| 13:38.26 | abrotman | aguitel: you can use any that you like in the rest of debian .. |
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| 13:39.32 | aguitel | abrotman, for exp brasero install most gnome stuff |
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| 13:42.47 | shining | cantido: like http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-RS-232-FT232-FTDI-FT232R-EVAL-Breakout-Board-/300400206475 ? |
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| 13:54.49 | hebz0rl | hello i want to try out selinux under debian squeeze (used the netinst version) i used this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#StepstosetupSELinux to install selinux but when i run check-selinux-installation i just get http://pastebin.com/bDd1rAfA |
| 13:55.00 | hebz0rl | i rebooted several times with no effect |
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| 14:03.26 | Fozzy | Howdy. I'm looking to set up a couple of environment variables that are system-global for interactive and non-interactive processes. What's the best way to do this? |
| 14:03.59 | llutz | Fozzy: add them to /etc/environment |
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| 14:04.43 | Fozzy | llutz: I have tried this, but it doesn't appear to work... I put something simple in like "ENVTEST=blah" into the file, but nothing appears to see it |
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| 14:06.39 | cantido | hebz0rl: what have you done so far? |
| 14:07.21 | hebz0rl | cantido, just what the tutorial said |
| 14:07.43 | hebz0rl | its a fresh installed system |
| 14:07.55 | hebz0rl | in a vmware box |
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| 14:10.23 | Will| | I want to build my own python, but have it fill the "python" dependency in the apt database |
| 14:10.32 | Will| | can someone point me towards some relevant documentation please? |
| 14:10.42 | petemc | !eqivs |
| 14:10.46 | Will| | (I don't like how debian pull all the core packages out seperately) |
| 14:10.47 | petemc | !equivs |
| 14:10.47 | dpkg | it has been said that equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> A better plan is often to adapt the debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb> |
| 14:11.13 | Will| | hmm |
| 14:11.17 | Will| | !package recompile |
| 14:11.17 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <apt-get source>. |
| 14:11.18 | petemc | Will|: equivs may solve one small part of your problem |
| 14:11.18 | jelly | Will|: that's not a smart thing to do. Build it in its own prefix like /opt/python instead. |
| 14:12.05 | Will| | jelly: and have two python installations side by side? |
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| 14:12.10 | jelly | Will|: yes. |
| 14:12.13 | Will| | hm |
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| 14:13.23 | jelly | Will|: debian has an insanely complex approach to packaging python and python modules, if you need a different minor or even major release, it won't be easy to replace the system python. |
| 14:13.34 | Will| | ah |
| 14:13.46 | Will| | why don't they just bloody leave it alone |
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| 14:14.37 | jelly | they can't |
| 14:14.55 | Will| | how do you mean |
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| 14:15.17 | tobiasolry | hi everybody - I am getting "ClamAV enigne is outdated" message when using clamscan with version "0.95.3" from volatile - anyone has the same problem? (ClamAV claims only to have 0.94 deprecated http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/2009/10/05/eol-clamav-094/) - tia |
| 14:16.15 | jelly | tobiasolry: that's expected and normal, since there's an 0.96 upstream out. Do not panic. |
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| 14:22.14 | tobiasolry | jelly ok, so I can ignore the warning for now, I huess? still a bit ugly when applications (e.g. mediawiki) use clamscan output |
| 14:22.17 | helo | is it possible to get popcon graphs normalized with regard to the total number of submissions? |
| 14:22.30 | MrFahrenheit | who could I report a bad internet nameserver to? |
| 14:22.31 | wols_ | !,version clamav |
| 14:22.34 | wols_ | ,version clamav |
| 14:22.40 | MrFahrenheit | iana? |
| 14:22.41 | wols_ | MrFahrenheit: your ISP |
| 14:22.47 | wols_ | define "bad" |
| 14:22.48 | MrFahrenheit | my old isp |
| 14:23.00 | helo | ahh, comparing with base-files is probably a good indicator |
| 14:23.15 | MrFahrenheit | they control *.com.ba domains and never return NXDOMAIN errors |
| 14:23.26 | MrFahrenheit | try it http://faaaaake.com.ba |
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| 14:24.41 | jelly | MrFahrenheit: that's second level domain, they can do anything they want with it. |
| 14:24.53 | MrFahrenheit | damn |
| 14:24.58 | jelly | that includes having a wildcard A record |
| 14:25.05 | MrFahrenheit | thanks, sorry for hijacking the channel |
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| 14:25.27 | vinsci | MrFahrenheit, also see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aslashdot.org+nxdomain |
| 14:25.37 | jelly | MrFahrenheit: complain to the .ba TLD authority, if anyone |
| 14:25.58 | MrFahrenheit | ugh, those guys are worse |
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| 14:27.35 | jelly | it's not a Debian issue... drink jednu ljutu instead ;-) |
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| 14:29.11 | vinsci | MrFahrenheit, getting in touch with the .ba TLD authorities is probably your best option, as jelly suggested |
| 14:29.14 | gutek999 | hi! I just bought tp-link wn422g (thi on atheros chipset), conected to my pc, modprobed ath9k and installed wieless tools but still i have no wireless extension on any interface, any tips? |
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| 14:30.21 | SeySayux | Hi, after the last update for php and apache, my server is giving the php files for download instead of interpreting the php files correctly. What could have gone wrong, and how should I fix it? I already tried dpkg-reconfigure for php5-{cli,cgi}, apache2, and libapache2-mod-php5, to no avail. |
| 14:30.23 | Kobaz | what console program can i use to connect to a serial port |
| 14:30.42 | llutz | Kobaz: minicom |
| 14:30.52 | Kobaz | okay so you can do serial mode |
| 14:30.56 | Kobaz | i thought it just did modem dialup |
| 14:30.59 | maligor | ckermit |
| 14:31.06 | Kobaz | k |
| 14:31.07 | maligor | minicom isn't very good for it |
| 14:31.12 | Kobaz | that's what i thought |
| 14:31.26 | Kobaz | Package ckermit is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:31.32 | maligor | ckermit might be difficult to configure tho |
| 14:31.45 | Kobaz | what's something quick and easy |
| 14:31.46 | Kobaz | heh |
| 14:31.54 | maligor | it's in non-free |
| 14:32.02 | Kobaz | i could maybe run putty, and export the display to my pc here |
| 14:32.15 | Kobaz | i dont know if the linux putty does serial though |
| 14:32.38 | maligor | it does |
| 14:33.29 | Kobaz | nifty |
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| 14:36.23 | wols_ | gutek999: check dmseg |
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| 14:36.35 | wols_ | *dmesg |
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| 14:37.28 | tga | howdy. if I lost/messed up the lvm metadata, is there a way of somehow detecting what's on that disk so I can get to the dataT? |
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| 14:39.06 | r0fl | i just bought some new sata drives but i cannot see them in /dev/disks/by-uuid. do i have to create a partition table or something? i want to use them in a raid |
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| 14:40.15 | wols_ | r0fl: how about creating filesystems? |
| 14:40.33 | r0fl | on devices i want to use in a raid? |
| 14:41.46 | Walex | tga: sort of. Depends. |
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| 14:42.19 | Walex | tga: there are a few filesystem recovery tools, but the problem with LVM is that LVs are not necessarily contiguous. |
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| 14:42.41 | gutek999 | wols_: found name, manufacturer etc. but still no wireless |
| 14:42.41 | Walex | tga: it also depends on whether you lost the metadata in the volumes themselves or in '/etc/'. |
| 14:42.57 | llutz | r0fl: UUIDs are created with filesystems |
| 14:42.59 | tga | Walex: I only have one md0->vg0->lv0, nothing else |
| 14:43.21 | Walex | r0fl: if you want to see them there you need to label them. But you don't need to do that to use sw RAID. |
| 14:43.26 | tga | Walex: I moved the disks on a different system and I think I created a new vg0 instead of reading the old one |
| 14:43.29 | Walex | r0fl: you can use whe whole drive. |
| 14:43.47 | tga | Walex: now I tried to use an old vg0 backup file and I got a lv0, but it shows up as being unformatted! |
| 14:43.48 | Walex | tga: if you use the same parameters you should be able to use it as it is. |
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| 14:44.29 | Walex | r0fl: check whether you can see them in 'cat /proc/partitions' |
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| 14:44.51 | r0fl | i always thought that uuid is a good idea when using raid because i saw bios/kernel mixing up the devices in /dev/sd*. so sda was sdb after a reboot |
| 14:44.52 | guax | what are the commom technic used to create debian packages? shellscript, makefile or another thing? |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:45.05 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 14:45.24 | guax | abrotman, danke |
| 14:45.51 | Walex | r0fl: RAID members have (by default) UUIDs, what ends up in 'by-uuid' is partitions that contain filesystems with a UUId. |
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| 14:46.21 | Walex | r0fl: they are different classes of UUIDs, and they server the same purpose which you described. |
| 14:46.28 | r0fl | so i type madadm --create blabla /dev/sda and mdadm will save it as a uuid? |
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| 14:46.51 | tga | Walex: the old /dev/lvm/backup/vg0 and the new one look exactly the same |
| 14:46.59 | tga | Walex: but my volume shows up as unformatted |
| 14:47.42 | Walex | r0fl: you use 'mdadm' to list RAID member UUIDs. By default modern versions of 'mdadm' will put a header with lots of information into each RAID member. The array itself will have UUID, and each member will have one. |
| 14:47.56 | Walex | tga: try one of the 2-3 partition recovery tools, e.g. 'gdisk'. |
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| 14:49.20 | Walex | r0fl: try having a look with 'mdadm --examine /dev/...' |
| 14:49.41 | r0fl | Walex: uuhh... |
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| 14:50.03 | r0fl | Walex: but this only works on raid devices |
| 14:50.10 | r0fl | but not with my new disks |
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| 14:50.22 | r0fl | those are not existing raid devices yet |
| 14:50.35 | r0fl | mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sdc. |
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| 14:51.14 | Walex | r0fl: yes, but use it on some existing device to get an idea of what kind of metadata is written into a RAID member. |
| 14:51.21 | r0fl | so mdadm --create with /dev/sdc and then mdadm --examine /dev/sdc for /dev/mdadm.conf |
| 14:51.22 | Walex | r0fl: just so you get it. |
| 14:52.10 | Walex | r0fl: note that the filesystem inside that RAID device can have its own UUID too. Also, if you use GPT partitions, the whole volume and each GPT partition can have their own UUID. |
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| 14:53.51 | r0fl | alright.. i will play with it a bit |
| 14:53.52 | r0fl | thank you |
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| 14:58.15 | visof | hello |
| 14:58.34 | visof | can i use vodafone mobile broadband device with Debian ? |
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| 14:58.43 | visof | i can't find any drivers for that |
| 14:59.00 | petemc | visof: should work with squeeze onwards |
| 14:59.17 | petemc | the 3g things mostly Just Work with recent enough installs |
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| 15:00.57 | visof | petemc it's a usb device , when i put it in the pc case there is nothing occur |
| 15:02.09 | petemc | visof: http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G/Vodafone |
| 15:02.14 | wols_ | visof:are you running squeeze? |
| 15:03.07 | visof | wols_ no |
| 15:03.14 | petemc | may work with earlier versions too, but squeeze has useful things like mobile-broadband-provider-info |
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| 15:03.40 | manhunter | can i install kde from debian first cd ? |
| 15:03.52 | manhunter | debian first testing cd |
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| 15:05.32 | visof | petemc i'm using lenny |
| 15:06.10 | petemc | visof: you've read all the info on that link? |
| 15:07.43 | ax-ax | hello |
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| 15:08.09 | ax-ax | could someone help me with getting flash to work properly in iceweasel under fluxbox? |
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| 15:08.43 | manhunter | can i install kde from debian first cd ?debian testing first cd |
| 15:09.07 | visof | petemc unknown:/home/visof# cardctl status |
| 15:09.08 | visof | bash: cardctl: command not found |
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| 15:10.05 | wols_ | !installit |
| 15:10.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 15:10.08 | petemc | visof: http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G |
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| 15:13.34 | visof | petemc unknown:/home/visof# invoke-rc.d pcmciautils start |
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| 15:13.35 | visof | No PCMCIA bridge module specified failed! |
| 15:13.35 | visof | invoke-rc.d: initscript pcmciautils, action "start" failed. |
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| 15:15.36 | petemc | visof: thats for a different card then you have, read the second link |
| 15:15.55 | petemc | visof: think about what it is you're doing to, blithely typing commands isnt going to help you |
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| 15:16.30 | crowbar | Anyone have experience with fusesmb across subnets? I can only see the one machine on my subnet and nothing else on the rest of the domain. |
| 15:17.08 | Titan8990 | crowbar: it is my understanding that SMB is not routable to different networks but CIFS is |
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| 15:20.01 | wols_ | why does one need fuse for smb/cifs at all? |
| 15:20.06 | jari_ | is there a xen-enabled 32-bit kernel image for lenny to use with xen-hypervisor-3.2.1-i386 package? |
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| 15:20.08 | tga | Walex: given a disk that you knew had only one vg/lv, but no backup files, how would you recover the data? |
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| 15:21.00 | crowbar | wols_: Thunar in xfce doesn't support network browsing, so with fusesmb theoretically you can mount your entire workgroup/domain and browse it like a regular file system. |
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| 15:21.33 | Walex | tga: with 'gdisk' |
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| 15:21.42 | Roasted | Question - I just installed debian and passed over the additional software section. Now I'd like to install some of those things that were originally on that screen. Once installed and in the GUI, how do I go about installing those packages again? |
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| 15:22.02 | Titan8990 | Roasted: "tasksel" |
| 15:22.02 | Walex | tga: otherwise I am a systems programmer and I could probably rebuild the metadata by hand given enough time :-). |
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| 15:22.06 | Roasted | Also - Does anybody run Debian on a laptop? Does Debian have decent wireless support? (I've used Ubuntu and Mandriva with decent success, so I know my laptop is relatively linux friendly) |
| 15:22.15 | Roasted | Titan8990, do I run that in terminal? |
| 15:22.20 | Titan8990 | Roasted: yes |
| 15:22.29 | Walex | Roasted: curreny Debian release is fairly recent. |
| 15:22.29 | zenlunatic | Roasted, as root |
| 15:22.29 | tga | Walex: alright, I guess I'll need a livecd for that, I only have a jeos system here |
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| 15:23.13 | Walex | tga: there are some "sysadm oriented" liveCDs with all the possible relevant tools. Check our 'grml' which is Debian based too, and very good. |
| 15:23.17 | blip2 | some of the broadcom cards in dells take a bit of poking ;? |
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| 15:23.39 | Roasted | I'm very used to the sudo *command* type of issuing root commands. Is there a way I can switch Debian to that so I dont have to log in as root then use the command? Just a personal preference. |
| 15:23.45 | wols_ | blip2: they taking a fair bit of poking everywhere. shit hardware tends to do that |
| 15:23.48 | Titan8990 | blip2: broadcom is IMO, the worst to have |
| 15:23.58 | Walex | Roasted: however in general Ubuntu is more targets at desktops and recent peripherals and automagic config than Debian is. |
| 15:23.59 | blip2 | yup :/ |
| 15:24.02 | wols_ | Roasted: install sudo and configure it for your account |
| 15:24.15 | zenlunatic | Roasted, visudo |
| 15:24.44 | Titan8990 | Roasted: or you can replace sudo with su -c, although it doesn't work as well with tab-completion |
| 15:24.52 | tga | Walex: downloading, thanks |
| 15:24.53 | Roasted | Walex, yes, I understand. I *dont kill me* swear by Ubuntu... you can't go wrong with it on desktops, especially. But when I still love my Debian for servers. Problem is I havent used Debian in.... forever. |
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| 15:25.38 | Walex | Roasted: well, Debian 5 is fairly recent and is based on a fairly recent kernel, so it is mostly still fresh even for laptops. In a couple of years it will be different... |
| 15:25.39 | Roasted | I feel like I've been out of the loop becuase I went from Debian to Fedora to CentOS to Mandriva to opensuse to Ubuntu to blah blah blah blahb lah *insert 20 more distros here*. So with learning the small changes in each one I feel like I forgot Debian all together. :P |
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| 15:26.22 | Roasted | Walex, oh yeah, no doubt. I guess in my mind I just associate Ubuntu with being more end-user friendly with Debian being more server-oriented friendly. That may be false, but that's just my interpretation on my views of it. |
| 15:26.28 | PinkFreud | Walex: sort of. lenny is stale enough that it doesn't completely support machines based on amd's 785g chipset, for instance. |
| 15:26.53 | Walex | PinkFreud: oh yes, there are problems already... |
| 15:27.02 | PinkFreud | it's radeon and catalyst drivers know nothing of the onboard radeon hd 4200 |
| 15:27.02 | Titan8990 | Roasted: is more of a bleeding-edge vs stable thing IMO |
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| 15:27.15 | Roasted | But hey, it's all Linux. Some people like dark beer, others like lager, and some like light beer. But we're still havin a good time. :P |
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| 15:27.34 | Roasted | Titan8990, I agree, but BECAUSE of that I think that's why ubuntu/debian fall into separate categories as I spoke about above. Just my 2 cents though. |
| 15:28.04 | PinkFreud | Walex: it's a shame that it's not easier to obtain updated X drivers for debian stable. |
| 15:28.32 | PinkFreud | audio support was wonky, too - but that was fixed by a kernel upgrade from backports, at least |
| 15:28.49 | Titan8990 | well, I have to say ATI was not a smart choice if you wanted things to work well in linux... |
| 15:29.06 | helo | lenny-and-a-half? |
| 15:29.13 | PinkFreud | Titan8990: not worried about 3d functionality. a 2d desktop is fine. |
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| 15:29.21 | epsilon | helo: jehova |
| 15:29.25 | Titan8990 | PinkFreud: that makes intel integrated perfect :) |
| 15:29.49 | PinkFreud | Titan8990: hardly. the intel driver has gone to hell. |
| 15:29.57 | helo | epsilon: amano |
| 15:31.26 | PinkFreud | Titan8990: in lenny, it's fine. intel's insistence on making the driver only support kms, though, when kms is still not entirely stable means that upgrading to squeeze is going to be painful |
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| 15:32.06 | Titan8990 | PinkFreud: yes, I aggree with that |
| 15:32.23 | Titan8990 | hopefully it will be worked out before squeeze releases |
| 15:32.44 | PinkFreud | Titan8990: I'm not holding my breath |
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| 15:32.55 | madm1ke | i am having a really strange problem with nfs. one of our nodes shows this particular behaviour (i cant really name it...): http://nopaste.info/be406146b2.html |
| 15:33.05 | madm1ke | does anyone know what might be the problem here? |
| 15:33.11 | PinkFreud | I managed to install a newer catalyst on the 785g, at least |
| 15:33.16 | madm1ke | (/opt/ is imported via nfs4) |
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| 15:33.25 | flo` | hi |
| 15:33.49 | PinkFreud | I'm still waiting for the 3d support in radeon to stabilize, though I suspect that's going to have to wait for kms to become stable |
| 15:33.55 | flo` | i build a recent (vanilla) kernel from source, then i created the initramfs and booted it |
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| 15:34.14 | jair | is there a channel for xorg? |
| 15:34.14 | flo` | actually it works, however when the initrd gets executed, it says: modprobe: FATAL: could not find modules.dep |
| 15:34.18 | PinkFreud | video support in X is a complete mess right now |
| 15:34.30 | flo` | it obviously is not fatal, because it works, but why does that message show up? |
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| 15:35.32 | Titan8990 | flo`: did you use kernel-package to build the kernel? |
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| 15:35.48 | flo` | Titan8990, no, the .tar.bz2 from kernel.org |
| 15:36.06 | flo` | i feel better when i build the kernel on my own ;) |
| 15:36.21 | Titan8990 | flo`: kernel-package is not kernel sources. its the debian tool used for building kernel packages |
| 15:36.27 | grmbl | i have a question to debian package creation. am i right here? |
| 15:36.44 | flo` | Titan8990, oops... but, no, i haven't used it |
| 15:36.58 | Titan8990 | grmbl: depends on the question. some help can be provided here but more advanced stuff belongs in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 15:36.58 | flo` | i did the "normal" way with make modules_install and cp bzImage to /boot |
| 15:37.40 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite flo` |
| 15:37.40 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling flo`, and when it's all done, flo` runs no faster than previously |
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| 15:38.11 | grmbl | Titan8990: its about the Provides: line in the control file. it seems not to work correct ( i made a virtual package ). |
| 15:38.18 | flo` | Titan8990, maybe correct. but i recompiled it to switch from the old ata drivers (hda) to the new scsi drivers (sda) |
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| 15:38.36 | flo` | with these, my cf card reader works. with the old ones, it doesn't |
| 15:38.46 | flo` | but i have another, more important problem: |
| 15:38.54 | flo` | i have a atheros 5xxx wlan card |
| 15:39.01 | flo` | before, the ath5k driver worked |
| 15:39.04 | Titan8990 | grmbl: what do you want your package to provide? |
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| 15:39.21 | flo` | now, i also compiled it, and i also loaded it, but when doing ifconfig wlan0 up, i get a: |
| 15:39.29 | flo` | SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown error 132 |
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| 15:40.34 | grmbl | Titan8990: mysql-common. i modified the percona mysql server packages so i can install either debian or percona version |
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| 15:40.59 | jnewt | i have setup openvpn on debian, and on ms win xp. i have a green computer in the bottom now, showing that the vpn connection is established. now how do i browse network shares as if i'm on the network, and use svn over the vpn? |
| 15:41.23 | wols_ | flo`: you couldn't use a backports kernel? |
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| 15:41.34 | aburch | grmbl: And what does not work? Note that Provides will *not* satisfy versioned dependencies such as Depends: foo (>= 1.2). |
| 15:41.49 | wols_ | jnewt: use your internal vpn IPs |
| 15:41.53 | petemc | jnewt: making the connection is just one part of it, you need to sort out routing |
| 15:41.56 | flo` | wols_, to be honest, i don't want to ;) surely, maybe it's possible. but i want to know why it doesn't work ;) |
| 15:42.11 | wols_ | flo`: how should we know how you fucked up your kernel config? |
| 15:42.19 | grmbl | Titan8990: so in my new mysql-common package i have the line "Provides: mysql-common". but if i install, say, libdbi-perl. it want s to uninstall my percona-mysql-common packet and install mysql-common |
| 15:42.26 | grmbl | aburch: ^ |
| 15:42.28 | jnewt | wols_: define "use" |
| 15:42.42 | flo` | wols_, maybe the error 132 always apperars if one has forgotten some foo-stack, or some bar-driver |
| 15:42.52 | jnewt | petemc: this would be on the server side? |
| 15:42.53 | wols_ | jnewt: your VPN interfaces have IPs.use them for your various protocols |
| 15:42.56 | flo` | i also can upload my .config if you like |
| 15:43.21 | wols_ | petemc: you sure openvpn doesn't set any routs? |
| 15:43.27 | Titan8990 | grmbl: that could be because mysql-common is a real package. |
| 15:43.36 | wols_ | flo`: why would anyone want to read a config file the size of a full book? |
| 15:43.49 | wols_ | well, novella |
| 15:43.53 | petemc | wols_: i dont think it does them automagically, no |
| 15:43.53 | jnewt | wols_: "your VPN interfaces have IP's." yes "use them..." how? |
| 15:43.58 | flo` | wols_, i dunno. ,maybe because he wants to help ;) ? |
| 15:43.58 | petemc | wols_: i could be wrong |
| 15:44.03 | grmbl | Titan8990: that was my guess also. but the docs say virtual and concrete packages are equal... |
| 15:44.10 | aburch | grmbl: I take you mean libdbd-mysql-perl. That is probably caused by a versioned dependency. (also libdbd-mysql-perl does not depend on mysql-common itself, but on libmysqlclient*) |
| 15:44.11 | Titan8990 | grmbl: you would probably need to modify the mysql-common package so that it is "provided by" |
| 15:44.13 | flo` | but, wait a bit... i'll ask the big oracle aka google about it |
| 15:44.17 | wols_ | jnewt: how do you use IPs? you conntect to them. enter in your broewser "http://1.2.3.4 |
| 15:44.37 | grmbl | aburch: let me check |
| 15:44.38 | wols_ | petemc: I didn't say it did proper routing, but whenever I checked my routes it set some |
| 15:44.38 | Titan8990 | grmbl: move along to #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 15:45.12 | grmbl | aburch: correct. sorry. head spins on debian package names |
| 15:45.19 | aburch | grmbl: In squeeze: libdbd-mysql-perl â libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1) â mysql-common (>= 5.1.45-1) |
| 15:45.21 | grmbl | hmm |
| 15:45.27 | jnewt | wols_: what does a browser have to do with this? for testing? |
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| 15:45.50 | wols_ | flo`: debian discourages self compiled kernels for a reason.... especially ones not done with kernel-package (vanilla sources work fine with it) and with totally custon .config |
| 15:45.52 | grmbl | aburch: lenny here |
| 15:46.07 | wols_ | jnewt: how do you use an IP? think long and hard about it |
| 15:46.30 | wols_ | jnewt: hint: you can put them into your DNS resolver and assign symbolic names. if you want to |
| 15:46.37 | aburch | grmbl: All dependencies including version information will never by satisfied by a Privides:. (Package names and versions might differ in Lenny, but it should still be the same thing.) |
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| 15:47.53 | grmbl | so i can never fullfill a dependency like this: Depends: "libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1)" with a virtual package? |
| 15:48.18 | jnewt | wols_: yes, so i have my server names setup with their internal ip's, so i can ping from inside the network using the name, not the ip. done. i have connected from the ouside using openvpn. now i try to ping the name of the server and it fails. what do i need to do? |
| 15:48.39 | jnewt | i can't even ping the ip for that matter. |
| 15:48.46 | aburch | grmbl: No, that is not possible. You can only install a (real) package with the same name from another source to satisfy such relations. |
| 15:48.56 | grmbl | dammit |
| 15:49.02 | grmbl | thanks very much |
| 15:49.08 | grmbl | very helpfull |
| 15:49.31 | wols_ | jnewt: can you ping the ip instead? |
| 15:49.32 | aburch | You're welcome. |
| 15:49.52 | jnewt | wols_: no |
| 15:50.03 | wols_ | jnewt: sorry. didn't saw that at first. I guess you have to check what petemc said: routes |
| 15:50.10 | grmbl | so i will keep on overwriting the orig. package |
| 15:50.14 | Titan8990 | jnewt: do you have openvpn setup to push routes to your connecting client? |
| 15:50.30 | jnewt | Titan899: yes |
| 15:50.43 | Titan8990 | jnewt: can you see that those routes are added? |
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| 15:51.32 | jnewt | Titan899: I do not know how to check, maybe i missed that part in the setup guide. |
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| 15:52.32 | Titan8990 | jnewt: netstat -rn |
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| 15:53.45 | wols_ | jnewt: on the client: route print |
| 15:53.47 | km | would apache shut itself down if it can't write to log when space log space is full? |
| 15:53.57 | flo` | where can i install the rfkill program from? i'm using lenny |
| 15:54.13 | wols_ | !tell flo` about search |
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| 15:54.50 | cahoot | isn't it just a value to echo into some entry in /sys? |
| 15:55.00 | Titan8990 | wols_: netstat is more portable |
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| 15:55.37 | jelly | since when does netstat on linux show route? |
| 15:55.47 | Titan8990 | jelly: -r flag |
| 15:55.54 | jelly | Titan8990: since when? |
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| 15:56.10 | flo` | wols_, fail. |
| 15:56.13 | flo` | no package found |
| 15:56.15 | Titan8990 | jelly: uh, no idea. has always worked for me |
| 15:56.18 | jelly | ah. |
| 15:56.27 | flo` | and apt-file search rfkill only gives me hal and linux-manual or kernel |
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| 15:56.37 | cahoot | isn't it just a value to echo into some entry in /sys? flo` |
| 15:56.53 | wols_ | flo`: read the whole factoid |
| 15:56.55 | Titan8990 | jelly: I started using it instead of "route" when I found that the "route" command in *BSD is a bit different |
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| 15:57.31 | et | also in os x ;) |
| 15:57.42 | et | and it's not really "a bit", it's quite different |
| 15:58.15 | jelly | Titan8990: I've been using that syntax on Solaris for a long time, but was completely unaware it worked in Linux. |
| 15:58.41 | jelly | ip r is supposed to be _the_ Linux tool anyway |
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| 16:00.03 | Titan8990 | jelly: yeah, but I don't think iproute2 is even installed by default |
| 16:00.46 | jelly | Titan8990: I blame Debian for that. |
| 16:01.21 | jelly | well, they'll catch up with Linux 2.4 functionality any decade now. |
| 16:01.37 | takashi_85 | i have downloaded DVD 1-2 & 4 of debian 5.0.3 and i need to complete rest of the DVD's and the version is 5.04 . what i should do ?? |
| 16:01.40 | Titan8990 | well, it doesn't look like the catch-up is going to happen with squeeze |
| 16:02.12 | Titan8990 | takashi_85: is this for a machine that does not have internet access? |
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| 16:02.33 | takashi_85 | i have an internet acces |
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| 16:03.02 | takashi_85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.10 | Titan8990 | takashi_85: then you shouldn't need the dvds at all |
| 16:03.45 | takashi_85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.24 | Titan8990 | takashi_85: alright, I am a bit confused on why the answer isn't "download DVD 3 and 5" |
| 16:04.24 | chaoyi | my debian testing kernel doesn't autoload modules at all on my MacBook Pro, could someone help me here? |
| 16:04.43 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: was this an upgrade to testing? |
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| 16:05.13 | chaoyi | Titan8990: no, fresh install from bootstrap |
| 16:05.14 | takashi_85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.33 | takashi_85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.56 | Titan8990 | I couldn't say for sure |
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| 16:06.39 | Titan8990 | takashi_85: the difference are pretty minimal |
| 16:06.57 | Titan8990 | IIRC my system only upgraded 15 or so packages from 5.0.3 -> 5.0.4 |
| 16:06.57 | wols_ | takashi_85: get the 5.0.4 DVDs you miss and the upgrade DVD/CD. then you have a full 5.0.4 |
| 16:07.48 | takashi_85 | wols_:that's all of it sure!? |
| 16:07.48 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: pastebin: apt-cache policy udev libc6 |
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| 16:08.53 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: also, can you give an example of a module you expect to autoload? |
| 16:09.12 | chaoyi | Titan8990: ehci, sata |
| 16:09.17 | Titan8990 | (the system wouldn't boot if it didn't atleast load modules in the initrd) |
| 16:09.24 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: so the system doesn't boot? |
| 16:09.45 | chaoyi | Titan8990: right, i can boot if manually compiled |
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| 16:10.56 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: does the initrd exist? |
| 16:11.01 | wassenaar | hi 2 all. does someone use lilo? |
| 16:11.12 | chaoyi | yes, i used the stocked initrd |
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| 16:11.23 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: stocked? |
| 16:11.42 | chaoyi | stock testing kernel i mean, sorry for my english |
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| 16:11.52 | takashi_85 | wols_:that's all of it sure!? |
| 16:12.15 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question about the debian architecture...suppose I want to compile mod_suxec for apache with another --configure option...would this break the debian way of updating |
| 16:12.21 | [Jasper] | how could I do this as cleanly as possible? |
| 16:12.47 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: and update-grub properly configured menu.lst or grub.cfg to use that initrd |
| 16:13.40 | chaoyi | Titan8990: i think so, i have initrd /initrd-* in grub.cfg |
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| 16:14.53 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: it should be initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:15.43 | chaoyi | Titan8990: sorry, i abbreviate it |
| 16:16.09 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: file a bug report if an existing one is not already there |
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| 16:16.34 | chaoyi | Titan8990: thank you. could it be related to grub i am using? |
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| 16:17.00 | [Jasper] | can anyone help me with this? |
| 16:17.01 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: are you using something not typical? |
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| 16:17.17 | Titan8990 | !tell [Jasper] about package recompile |
| 16:17.30 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: after recompiling you would want to "hold" the package |
| 16:18.22 | chaoyi | Titan8990: i downloaded a binary grub, chainloaded from rEFIt |
| 16:18.45 | chaoyi | Titan8990: i could boot debian-installer however |
| 16:19.05 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: I would say that is crossing into "fix it yourself" territory |
| 16:19.26 | chaoyi | Titan8990: thank you for your help |
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| 16:19.47 | Titan8990 | chaoyi: np and gl |
| 16:20.40 | dupa | who have debian + windows xp + full hdd truecrypt encryption? |
| 16:20.41 | [Jasper] | Titan8990....all updates would have to go manually then.. |
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| 16:21.00 | [Jasper] | Titan8990 what if I wouldn't want build stuff on a production machine? |
| 16:21.13 | [Jasper] | would it be posslible to have a repository on a virtual server supplying the .deb? |
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| 16:21.16 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: yes, because you will want to compile the upgrades too. if you are running stable, an upgrade will only occur in the event of a security patch |
| 16:21.48 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: yes, you can setup a local repo. then you wouldn't need to "hold" the package. You can just set your repo to a higher priority |
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| 16:23.07 | TheLady | Hey guys, I tried to to upgrade from lenny to sid (note, i am renting a server, and i dont know how to use unix at all) |
| 16:23.19 | TheLady | its giving me a error in the bottom |
| 16:23.22 | rvsjoen | that sounds smart |
| 16:23.26 | rvsjoen | !sid |
| 16:23.26 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 16:23.55 | TheLady | Omg |
| 16:23.57 | rvsjoen | read the 'Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the ...' part three times |
| 16:23.59 | Roasted | so there's debian SID, debian testing, and debian stable - right? |
| 16:24.15 | rvsjoen | roasted: basically, yes |
| 16:24.29 | TheLady | rvsjoen: too late, i was told to update and thats what i did.. and it gave me someting about i need to update a kernel, but dont know how |
| 16:24.32 | Titan8990 | sometimes there is also a supported "old stable" |
| 16:24.32 | Roasted | debian SID = rolling release, debian testing = more 'bleeding edge', and debian stable = old faithful |
| 16:24.33 | SlayerXP | TheLady: doesn't do that. |
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| 16:25.15 | Titan8990 | TheLady: I would recommend restoring from your backup now |
| 16:25.19 | rvsjoen | ^^ |
| 16:25.33 | [Jasper] | Titan8990 I could basically compile on any 32 bit server right? |
| 16:25.38 | [Jasper] | wouldn't really matter |
| 16:25.51 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: doesn't have to be 32bit. pbuilder can be used to cross-compile debs |
| 16:25.52 | TheLady | Titan8990: I am renting a server that have debian on it, i never ever ever tried it, so i have no idea how, i didnt even make a backup. I was told to change lenny into sid with some nano technology |
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| 16:26.08 | wassenaar | TheLady: also you can try to upgrade your kernel ;) |
| 16:26.12 | TheLady | so i did.. and in the bottom i got /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_153-1_i386.deb |
| 16:26.13 | [Jasper] | thelady..you rent a server...and you don't know what you're doing? |
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| 16:26.15 | shining | so I plugged one of the raid1 drive into another system, and I can now see the error. Apr 23 18:04:57 nas sshd[1250]: pam_winbind(sshd:auth): request wbcLogonUser failed: WBC_ERR_AUTH_ERROR, PAM error: PAM_USER_UNKNOWN (10), NTSTATUS: NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER, Error message was: No such user |
| 16:26.28 | TheLady | [Jasper]: I rent seedbox, and it was unix. Nothing I can do about it :( |
| 16:26.47 | Titan8990 | TheLady: take whatever data you have, back it up and use wahtever type of system restore that your hosting provider allows |
| 16:26.49 | TheLady | wassenaar: Yes they told me i should do that, but I dont know which "kernel" i need |
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| 16:27.00 | [Jasper] | if they provide one Titan8990 |
| 16:27.04 | TheLady | They dont |
| 16:27.12 | [Jasper] | they do actually |
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| 16:27.15 | [Jasper] | but it will cost you :P |
| 16:27.18 | rvsjoen | I strongly doubt that they don't have anything |
| 16:27.26 | TheLady | I already asked |
| 16:27.34 | TheLady | If i got into this mess, i have to take my self out of it |
| 16:27.36 | [Jasper] | you have to pay for it TheLady / |
| 16:27.39 | Titan8990 | TheLady: finishing the upgrade to sid will only get you so far. you *must* know debian before becoming a sid user. you have basically shot yourself in the foot here |
| 16:27.56 | TheLady | Titan8990: all i am using is rtorrent, so i dont need the rest of the stuff |
| 16:28.02 | Titan8990 | TheLady: on top of that, sid is *not* something you would want to run on something that you do not have physical access to |
| 16:28.06 | rvsjoen | !partial downgrade |
| 16:28.07 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 16:28.18 | rvsjoen | I can't guarantee it wont break you completely thuogh |
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| 16:28.29 | TheLady | Oh |
| 16:28.31 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to install Debian 5.04 using the netinstall CD on a Dell 2850 with a megaraid SCSI HBA. Neither the 32 bit nor the 64 installer even boots the installer kernel. To test, I just tried booting the Ubuntu 10.04 beta and it boots the installer and detects the RAID volumes. How do I work around the kernel boot problem with the Lenny installer? |
| 16:28.33 | [Jasper] | damnit...my internet is gonna expire..don't feel like walking to starbucks... |
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| 16:29.05 | TheLady | well thanks for the help anyway |
| 16:29.10 | rvsjoen | thelady: just out of curiosity, who told you ? |
| 16:29.33 | TheLady | rvsjoen: A friend of mine, a net friend that uses the same seedbox service |
| 16:29.36 | [Jasper] | 'the internet':p |
| 16:29.41 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 16:29.53 | rvsjoen | does this friend know more about linux than you do ? |
| 16:29.54 | shining | so wtf is that crap about 'no such user' , the users obviously exist |
| 16:30.17 | Titan8990 | !tell cilkay about kmuto |
| 16:30.30 | TheLady | yes rvsjoen, he guided me and told me how todo, he is a good knowledgebal person i think =) he told me how to upgrade to a kernel, but i was wondering what was the latest, how to find out |
| 16:30.50 | rvsjoen | ok, maybe it would be easier if you asked him if can help you recover then |
| 16:30.50 | cilkay | Titan8990: Thank you. |
| 16:31.05 | rvsjoen | because once you go sid, all bets are off, really |
| 16:31.36 | km | i have create a file with dd, how can i mount this file as a storage? |
| 16:31.47 | [Jasper] | make a filesystem on it? |
| 16:33.04 | shining | do I really want to UsePam for ssh ? |
| 16:33.06 | km | not yet |
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| 16:33.35 | km | can you point me to a link on how to do this? |
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| 16:33.55 | [Jasper] | guys, can anyone tell me what apache2-suexec-custom is ? |
| 16:34.12 | Titan8990 | ,info apache2-suexec-custom |
| 16:34.13 | judd | apache2-suexec-custom (web, extra): Configurable suexec program for Apache 2 mod_suexec. Version: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; Size: 82.1k; Installed: 184k; Homepage: http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 16:34.31 | [Jasper] | yes, but what is configurable? |
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| 16:35.20 | [Jasper] | muhahha, Titan8990: If you do not need non-standard document root or userdir settings, it is recommended that you use the standard suexec helper program from the apache2-suexec package instead |
| 16:35.26 | [Jasper] | that looks interesting to me.. |
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| 16:36.15 | wassenaar | i can`t understand, why sid is so interesting for newbies... i use "stable" and have a lot of fun :) |
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| 16:36.41 | pngwn | !tell wassenaar -about sns |
| 16:38.11 | Titan8990 | stable is perfect for me as well.. but I run sid on a machine just so I can find more bugs to report :) |
| 16:38.32 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: the rest of us thank you :) |
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| 16:38.48 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: personally i like to run squeeze/sid in chroots |
| 16:39.03 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: (except on my laptop, which runs squeeze only) |
| 16:39.29 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: well, I had always ran them in vbox, but the recent kernels do not boot in virtualbox... wouldn't be that big of a problem if the new udev did not also depend on the new kernel |
| 16:39.57 | Titan8990 | I guess I could have switched virtualization software... but I just upgraded a desktop to sid instead |
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| 16:40.43 | rvsjoen | I actually rarely have breakage on sid, surprisingly rarely, might be i'm lucky with regards to updates |
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| 16:41.19 | tsccof | what is a "u" package? such as xserver-xephyr{u} |
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| 16:43.06 | [Jasper] | hmm I have a question..considering I don't have apache2-suexec installed...how can it be that I have module suxec enabled in apache2 (a2enmod) / |
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| 16:47.32 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:53.15 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: it means that package will be uninstalled |
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| 16:54.46 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: specifically, it believe it means it will be uninstalled because it was marked as having been automatically installed, and no installed packages depend on it |
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| 16:56.28 | wassenaar | tsccof1: use a graphical software manager like a synaptic :) |
| 16:57.14 | ax-ax | someone know what's up with fluxbox that messes upp flashplayer in browsers that other wms handle great? :s |
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| 16:57.57 | tsccof1 | wassenaar: I am against GUI based tools, I came from Slackware... I will not run apt-get autoremove since I know I need some packages it is telling me to remove |
| 16:58.29 | valdyn | tsccof1: you should mark those packages as needed in that case |
| 16:58.30 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: then mark them installed |
| 16:58.38 | SerajewelKS | manually* installed |
| 16:58.53 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: aptitude unmarkauto ... |
| 16:58.59 | Titan8990 | tsccof1: aptitude keep-all, if you just want to keep all of them |
| 16:59.10 | tsccof1 | thanks |
| 16:59.11 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: which you should not do, of course |
| 16:59.30 | valdyn | easy to buy convenience now with inconvenience later |
| 16:59.34 | SerajewelKS | tsccof1: ah, nevermind... i thought keep-all did something else :) |
| 16:59.40 | valdyn | ( easy to use keep-all ) |
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| 17:00.19 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: all keep-all does is cancel any pending actions, it doesn't alter the auto flag on packages |
| 17:00.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ops |
| 17:00.35 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i made the same mistake |
| 17:00.39 | valdyn | that should have said "easy to use unmarkauto" then |
| 17:00.44 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: how could i have doubted you! |
| 17:00.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well sure, but i'd expect he'd only run that on packages he actually wants to keep around for specific reasons |
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| 17:01.32 | SerajewelKS | in general, anything that starts with lib and doesn't end in -dev should be marked manually installed, unless you installed some shit from sources |
| 17:01.46 | SerajewelKS | erm, automatically installed |
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| 17:07.18 | benji_ | Hi, my munin timezone seems to be wrong, does anyone knows how to configure it? |
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| 17:08.04 | Titan8990 | !set time |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 17:08.30 | erry | can i print from debian to windows |
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| 17:09.03 | Titan8990 | erry: assuming you mean a windows print server, yes |
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| 17:09.56 | erry | Titan8990, yeah, i have samba installed but then i go to add a new printer i dont see an option to add a windows printer |
| 17:10.42 | cahoot | doesn't windows support cups now? |
| 17:10.59 | cahoot | or ipp |
| 17:11.04 | Titan8990 | erry: try using the web interface, its much better IMO |
| 17:11.13 | erry | Titan8990, what web interface |
| 17:11.17 | Titan8990 | cahoot: he is wanting to print to a windows print server, not windows printing to cups |
| 17:11.25 | erry | I'm not a 'he' |
| 17:11.27 | Titan8990 | erry: localhost:631 in your browser |
| 17:11.38 | Titan8990 | s/he/she/ |
| 17:11.39 | erry | oh i didnt know that one |
| 17:12.44 | erry | well i go to find printers and it says no printers found? |
| 17:12.51 | erry | or should i go to add printer |
| 17:13.12 | erry | but add printer wont load :( |
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| 17:13.58 | Titan8990 | erry: what version of debian? |
| 17:14.06 | erry | oh it loaded now |
| 17:14.14 | erry | well it doesnt have windows there either |
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| 17:14.40 | Titan8990 | it does on my system, although I have never used it |
| 17:14.45 | Titan8990 | erry: what version of debian? |
| 17:14.45 | erry | :S |
| 17:14.48 | erry | squeeze |
| 17:15.01 | jelly-hme | erry: what does :S mean? |
| 17:15.05 | erry | Its a face |
| 17:15.18 | jelly-hme | erry: what does it signify, then? |
| 17:15.30 | erry | Confusinon, dissapointment |
| 17:15.36 | erry | confusion |
| 17:15.39 | jelly-hme | thanks! |
| 17:15.54 | erry | jelly-hme, its a smily from msn |
| 17:15.55 | Titan8990 | !confuse erry |
| 17:15.55 | dpkg | No, them was my badger today, erry? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Belarus with extra crabpaste. |
| 17:16.07 | erry | dpkg, ive seen better. Poor effort indeed. |
| 17:16.07 | dpkg | erry: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:16.50 | erry | Titan8990, so any ideas? |
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| 17:18.21 | Titan8990 | erry: no, #samba or #cups might be able to better help |
| 17:18.46 | Oleg | do I have to change something about a file that I put into /etc/cron.daily? because I have a script but it wont run |
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| 17:19.06 | Titan8990 | Oleg: it has to end in a newline |
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| 17:19.23 | shining | oh my god, I really hate debian now |
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| 17:19.38 | rektide | are there any command line tools to show me the history of packages? |
| 17:19.39 | Oleg | Titan8990, it does |
| 17:19.50 | Oleg | Titan8990, it's the automysqlbackup script |
| 17:19.56 | rektide | i'd like to be able to see the last couple version fo packages and when that package became available |
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| 17:21.25 | BumfunMC | hi, since i use linux 2.6.32 the microphone input isnt working. it works with linux 2.6.30. how can i fix that? |
| 17:21.30 | Titan8990 | rektide: no, there is snapshots.debian.org |
| 17:21.43 | Titan8990 | BumfunMC: lenny-backports kernel? |
| 17:22.00 | TraceRoute | whats a quick way to fix grubs MBR? I had to format my windows drive and it wiped grub clean.. And i need to restore it but only have a netinstall iso of ubuntu squeeze which is what im using |
| 17:22.02 | BumfunMC | i am using testing |
| 17:22.29 | SerajewelKS | TraceRoute: man grub-install |
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| 17:22.48 | cilkay | Titan8990: FYI, the kmuto ISO that I burned wouldn't even boot. "No boot device found". I'm just going to do a minimal install of Ubuntu and then overwrite it with a debootstrap installation of Lenny. |
| 17:23.23 | Titan8990 | cilkay: works for me |
| 17:23.33 | TraceRoute | can i use any linux livecd? |
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| 17:23.59 | SerajewelKS | TraceRoute: yes. just chroot into your debian root. |
| 17:24.00 | Titan8990 | TraceRoute: squeeze is a release of debian, not ubuntu |
| 17:24.01 | TraceRoute | i can probably find some old ubuntu iso laying around |
| 17:24.38 | SerajewelKS | TraceRoute: you can also use the debian installer cd. it has an option to reinstall grub for you if you boot it in rescue mode. |
| 17:24.44 | BumfunMC | I am using ubuntu squeeze and my microphone isnt working. please help |
| 17:24.57 | Vasistha | I'm unhappy with kmail's filtering, though I like using it to view mail. Can anyone recommend a program that just filters mail within a maildir structure? It would preferably run as a daemon, sensing incoming messages and filtering them at that time |
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| 17:25.01 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: squeeze is not ubuntu |
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| 17:25.23 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: Then it´s ubuntu lenny |
| 17:25.27 | Titan8990 | I _just_ told a different person that... |
| 17:25.33 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: lenny is also not ubuntu |
| 17:25.41 | Oleg | BumfunMC, lenny is debian |
| 17:25.50 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: probably i was talking about ubuntu etch |
| 17:25.51 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: /join #ubuntu |
| 17:25.56 | linduxed | BumfunMC: there is no such thing as ubuntu lenny |
| 17:26.00 | SerajewelKS | troll harder |
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| 17:26.01 | BumfunMC | :D:D:D:D |
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| 17:26.43 | BumfunMC | oooops its d e b i a n lenny. can anyone help me with a broken microphone channel? |
| 17:27.06 | rektide | Titan8990: wow snapshots.debian.org is totally fresh, very cool |
| 17:27.07 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:27.22 | rektide | and there is a machine usable interface |
| 17:27.23 | rektide | word |
| 17:27.32 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: ii libc6 2.10.2-2 |
| 17:27.40 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: that's not lenny |
| 17:27.42 | Titan8990 | ,versions libc6 |
| 17:27.43 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 17:27.59 | Titan8990 | its either ubuntu or out-of-date squeeze/sid |
| 17:28.16 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: perhaps you should figure out what the fuck is running on your system first, *then* ask for help... |
| 17:28.45 | jelly-hme | is BumfunMC a regular troll? |
| 17:28.51 | jelly-hme | isn't*, apologies |
| 17:28.53 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and pastebin the result |
| 17:29.04 | linduxed | jelly-hme: i'd say he's a bit exotic |
| 17:29.06 | shining | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/205404/ , damn it, just let me log already |
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| 17:29.19 | BumfunMC | squeeze! its squeeze! |
| 17:29.27 | jelly-hme | linduxed: the word you're looking for might be "special" |
| 17:29.37 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: sorry i was talking about ubuntu lenny before. i am using debian squeeze |
| 17:29.56 | SerajewelKS | yeah ok i'm done |
| 17:30.10 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: in the sources i typed âbla....testingâ |
| 17:30.38 | SerajewelKS | BumfunMC: if you cannot properly differentiate between ubuntu releases and debian releases, fixing a mic is out of your league, sorry. |
| 17:31.21 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: my mic is silent. a man needs a working mic |
| 17:31.25 | SerajewelKS | wonders if BumfunMC also uses Windows X and Apple OS 7 |
| 17:31.56 | BumfunMC | Ubuntu X and Windows OS 7 |
| 17:32.54 | BumfunMC | SerajewelKS: shall I install libc from stable? |
| 17:33.23 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: no, you already have a testing system and there is no going back. You should apt-get update; aptitude upgrade. |
| 17:33.37 | linduxed | jelly-hme: indeed, that could be the word |
| 17:34.17 | wols_ | Vasistha: dovecot has sieve support |
| 17:34.34 | Vasistha | wols_: ah, I am already running dovecot! I will look into that. Thanks much. |
| 17:34.58 | wols_ | Vasistha: if you find a good, pretty and easy to use sieve frontend, tell me |
| 17:35.00 | BumfunMC | Vasistha: do you know which packages deal with microphones and audio? because usually i dont upgrade everything. after each upgrade some things wont work |
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| 17:35.21 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: welcome to testing. |
| 17:35.32 | Vasistha | wols_: uh... sure thing :P thanks for the warning of sorts! |
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| 17:35.49 | BumfunMC | Vasistha: testing is quite stable |
| 17:36.12 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: your previous message would indicate otherwise. I wouldn't know, as I have never used testing |
| 17:36.18 | wols_ | BumfunMC: is it stable or is it constantly breaking after a package upgrade? you seem to be a bit confused there... |
| 17:37.09 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: regardless, if you are running a testing system that is out of date, you are putting your computer at significant security risk |
| 17:37.41 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: ...and if you want to install a new package, it may be incompatible with the old libraries you have installed |
| 17:38.31 | BumfunMC | Vasistha: no, there are security updates for testing. i upgrade everything completely very seldom. debian testing is very stable compared to sid |
| 17:39.31 | Titan8990 | if its so stable, why the fear of upgrading? |
| 17:39.42 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: Either you are *extremely* confused, or you are *intentionally* saying things which are contradictory. |
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| 17:41.58 | BumfunMC | Vasistha: its possible to update only the packages from the secutiry repository and single packages from main. this is like stable, not like sid |
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| 17:43.04 | Vasistha | BumfunMC: you seem to be simultaneously 1. asking for help 2. making false assertions, and 3. refusing to implement the advice that knowledgeable people offer. Thus I cannot see any reason why anyone here should want to help you. |
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| 17:44.09 | BumfunMC | blablabla false assertions blablawawaa |
| 17:44.43 | BumfunMC | i just upgraded some firmware things. if i upgrade all packages probably many other things will stop working |
| 17:44.55 | BumfunMC | and microphone works with the old kernel |
| 17:44.59 | Titan8990 | which is a perfect reason not to run testing |
| 17:45.04 | Titan8990 | !tell BumfunMC about moving target |
| 17:45.54 | benji_ | Titan8990, my server time is fine, it is just the munin graph that are wrong |
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| 17:46.20 | BumfunMC | stable is outdated. i either use testing or sid |
| 17:47.33 | Titan8990 | forgets that software quits working when it gets to be 2years old |
| 17:48.33 | wols_ | Titan8990: experts call that "bitrot" |
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| 17:49.26 | SerajewelKS | !sns |
| 17:49.26 | dpkg | i guess sns is Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. |
| 17:49.40 | Titan8990 | wols_: hehe |
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| 17:50.08 | ramvi | I've added a file to init.d and update-rc.d it to 2 3 4 5. I've chmod 777 it but it just won't start! No word about it in the logs. Why is that? |
| 17:50.20 | jelly-hme | BumfunMC: debian testing or unstable aren't well suited for novice users. A different strategy could be to use backported packaged only for those packages one absolutely needs to have newer. |
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| 17:50.44 | Titan8990 | ramvi: what happens if you try to start it manually? |
| 17:51.03 | ramvi | Titan8990: it runs and works flawlessly |
| 17:51.30 | Titan8990 | ramvi: does it appear update-rc.d created the proper links? |
| 17:51.32 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell ramvi about bootlog |
| 17:51.33 | sneezewort | is it possible to dd to a partition rather than a device? |
| 17:52.06 | wols_ | sneezewort: yes. partitions are devices are files |
| 17:52.12 | ramvi | Titan8990: yes. it outputs what it does and it looks good |
| 17:52.44 | jelly-hme | ramvi: if it's an /bin/sh or /bin/bash script, consider adding "set -x" on the top and inspect the boot-up messages. Also inspect your application's logs if you haven't already. |
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| 17:53.17 | Titan8990 | ramvi: so in /etc/rc2.d there is a symlink to your script? |
| 17:53.19 | Vasistha | sneezewort: just dd with e.g. of=/dev/hdj3 instead of of=/dev/hdj |
| 17:53.32 | Vasistha | sneezewort: or dd if= as the case may be |
| 17:53.36 | ramvi | jelly-hme: will do |
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| 17:53.41 | ramvi | Titan8990: yes |
| 17:54.48 | sneezewort | does this mess up block alignment? In other words if I align a partition for use in isci will this alignment be nullified by the dd? |
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| 17:54.49 | BumfunMC | jelly-hme: i am not a novice user you novice user. i hate stable. everything is old, nothing changes and once i need one newer package apt would upgrade everything else anyway. i just dont know why the microphone input isnt working with one kernel |
| 17:54.54 | Vasistha | sneezewort: I believe it could mess things up, yes -- although I am no expert |
| 17:56.09 | Vasistha | sneezewort: if you want to write files into a file system, then dd is not your tool. |
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| 18:03.12 | ramvi | jelly-hme Titan8990: Still no go. Added set -x, chmod 755.. The boot log only returns a line about fsck.. |
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| 18:03.30 | jelly-hme | ramvi: have you looked at the output on the console? |
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| 18:05.19 | eaglerock_ | Feagle |
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| 18:06.06 | ramvi | jelly-hme: it's only fsck.. hmm, weird that that's all.. |
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| 18:07.25 | ramvi | jelly-hme: Bet I have to set /etc/default/rcS to verbose |
| 18:08.07 | Titan8990 | ramvi: what is your init script starting? |
| 18:08.30 | ramvi | Titan8990: a first time run configuration |
| 18:08.43 | Titan8990 | so it is meant to be interactive? |
| 18:08.53 | ramvi | Titan8990: no its automated |
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| 18:10.26 | jelly-hme | ramvi: perhaps you have a "quiet" boot parameter, eh? |
| 18:10.43 | jelly-hme | hates when a distro puts that in by default |
| 18:10.53 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: I thought that only makes the kernel boot quiet |
| 18:11.11 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: possible, I have no idea what it does. |
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| 18:11.41 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: if im not mistaken it only supresess kernel output, not init output |
| 18:12.28 | jelly-hme | ramvi: you might also pastebin the script, perhaps there's something obvious |
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| 18:13.55 | DeathWolf | does anyone know if there's any way to do a dry run with rsync that only shows what operations it'd do? |
| 18:13.58 | SerajewelKS | i feel like i'm missing something obvious. is there a different mechanism than 'wc -c' to display the size of a file in bytes? |
| 18:14.20 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: stat -c %B |
| 18:14.23 | SerajewelKS | especially if it doesn't also output the filename. i could |awk '{print $1}' but it seems like i'm missing something that would be easier. |
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| 18:14.48 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: you mean %s right? |
| 18:15.07 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yes :) |
| 18:15.10 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: (i'm referring to actual length of content, not apparent size) |
| 18:15.11 | jelly-hme | counting characters is also going to be a VERY slow way of sizing up large files |
| 18:15.31 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: what's the difference? |
| 18:15.32 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: -c is bytes, not characters. and wc seems to optimize -c to just return the file size. |
| 18:15.41 | ramvi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: %B will output the amount of disk space reserved for the file (which will only equal %s when the size of the file's contents is evenly divisible by the filesystem's block size) |
| 18:16.53 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: running wc -c over a multi-GB file returned immediately, so it's obvious that it's not actually running the whole stream keeping a tally |
| 18:16.56 | Vasistha | actually that's what %b does, is completely the wrong thing |
| 18:17.02 | Vasistha | darn erm |
| 18:17.06 | Vasistha | actually that's what %b does, %B is completely the wrong thing |
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| 18:18.36 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: cheat. |
| 18:18.48 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: eh, i didn't do it :P |
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| 18:19.55 | jelly-hme | ramvi: there's not much in there, is it. does that application have a more verbose mode of operation? |
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| 18:20.21 | jelly-hme | ramvi: also, what does "EasyPeasy" refer to? |
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| 18:20.46 | Vasistha | urbandictionary.com? |
| 18:20.56 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i used the stat command while building this shell script: for i in "$@"; do pv -c -N IN "$i" | bzip2 | pv -prbt -s `stat -c %s "$i"` -c -N OUT > "$i".bz2; done |
| 18:21.27 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: monitor progress of a bzip2 run, while also showing how big the output is compared to the input |
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| 18:21.50 | ramvi | jelly-hme: It returns some info.. EasyPeasy is a distro for netbooks based on Debian. I feel that init just doesn't see my file some how.. |
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| 18:22.32 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: nice. I'd recommend using $() instead of `` but that is about all. You might do some time tests to see if your pv pipeline is slowing things down substantially |
| 18:22.55 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: $() looks ugly :) |
| 18:23.09 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: that's very subjective! |
| 18:23.25 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: it is. and from what i can tell, the two function exactly the same |
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| 18:23.51 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yes, but quoting and nesting and escaping are much more straightforward and easy with $() |
| 18:23.53 | jelly-hme | ramvi: if you're not actually running Debian, ask the EasyPeasy people why their boot-up console output doesn't show what your script does even when there's a set -x in it. |
| 18:24.06 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i need to also remove the source files after, but i don't want that in the loop until i do some tests with ^C |
| 18:24.20 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: if i kill the pipeline, i don't want it removing anything |
| 18:24.38 | jelly-hme | !easypeasy |
| 18:24.38 | dpkg | easy peasy (formerly Ubuntu Eee, ION) is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> for use on netbooks. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ #easypeasy on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:24.40 | ramvi | jelly-hme: ok, thanks for you time |
| 18:25.14 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: perhaps a named pipe and some more advanced redirection is in order |
| 18:25.41 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: checking the return value might be simple enough |
| 18:26.20 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i'm probably going to do performance testing too, but honestly even if i lose 5% to pv, that's ok. i'd rather have an ETA and see visual progress than sit twiddling my thumbs. |
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| 18:26.30 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: having an ETA lets me do something else without constantly checking on it too :) |
| 18:26.46 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yeah, an ETA is often worth 5% but perhaps not 25% :) |
| 18:26.54 | SerajewelKS | right |
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| 18:27.14 | SerajewelKS | cool, according to this info i'm getting a 100:1 ratio |
| 18:27.36 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: you might take the question to #bash |
| 18:27.37 | SerajewelKS | (roughly... the output obviously lags behind the input by a few seconds) |
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| 18:27.46 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: question? you mean about sigint? |
| 18:27.56 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yeah... how to deal with that properly |
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| 18:28.14 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: ah. i'll probably just use my usual method of trying shit and seeing what works. it's how i learn. :) |
| 18:29.00 | Vasistha | yay |
| 18:29.32 | SerajewelKS | i typically reserve questions for when i can't figure out something myself |
| 18:32.11 | jelly-home | ramvi: sorry, I didn't realize you _were_ the EasyPeasy people. O:-] |
| 18:32.59 | ramvi | jelly-home: I'm not exactly what you would call an expert.. |
| 18:33.39 | ramvi | jelly-home: think I'm on to something though. Think I need the do_start() function. Maybe because of upstart |
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| 18:36.41 | jelly-home | ramvi: I'd find an init script that basically calls a single command, perhaps /etc/init.d/procps, and copy from there |
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| 18:40.23 | Gentoochild | hi people. is anyone here with a Samsung X120? |
| 18:40.44 | Gentoochild | Iâm trying to get the brightness keys to work |
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| 18:41.19 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 18:41.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 18:42.50 | Gentoochild | X120 is not listed :-( |
| 18:42.59 | Gentoochild | it's quite new |
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| 18:44.12 | Vasistha | Gentoochild: maybe it has some cousins which have similar functionality? |
| 18:44.30 | Gentoochild | I found a solution for the Q45, using setpci |
| 18:44.36 | Gentoochild | but that doesn't work here |
| 18:45.19 | Gentoochild | oops, I meant N140 instead of Q45. The N140 is a rather new netbook as well. |
| 18:45.33 | Gentoochild | I've read about a kernel patch and accompanying samsung-laptop kernel module |
| 18:45.59 | Gentoochild | but that isn't there in the my 2.6.32-4 kernel |
| 18:46.14 | Vasistha | Gentoochild: I have a feeling you'll have better luck on mailing lists rather than irc. |
| 18:46.26 | Gentoochild | hmk |
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| 18:50.11 | Gentoochild | I really hate manufacturers for not following a common standard @#! |
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| 19:08.13 | mikco95 | is there an ll type command in debian? I am used to RH related distros |
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| 19:08.34 | mikco95 | or how can I see permissions for files in a dir? |
| 19:08.39 | amphi | mikco95: alias ll='ls -l' if that's what you mean |
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| 19:08.46 | mikco95 | sweet thanks |
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| 19:11.30 | Chrishas | shoul i install debian 32bit or 64bit on my dual core cpu? |
| 19:12.36 | fas3r | somebody use zoneedit.com ? |
| 19:13.07 | amphi | Chrishas: FWIW, 64bit works well for me here; how much ram do you have? |
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| 19:13.27 | Chrishas | 1Gb |
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| 19:14.46 | amphi | 64bit uses more ram - with 1GB you'd be better off with 32bit IMHO |
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| 19:16.01 | User_007 | hello, i need help... I used to mount my ntfs partition by nautilus. I just used to double-click it and it shows a "give-me the root password" screen. Now when i try to mount this way i get "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: only root can mount /dev/sda2 on /media/SQ004681V03" |
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| 19:16.52 | Vasistha | User_007: check your /etc/fstab |
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| 19:19.46 | deltaflyer4747 | Hi, i need help. I am trying to install squeeze from netinst on software raid (md) drive. I have fdisked, mdadmed it, but i am unable to grub-install it. Any tips ? |
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| 19:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | deltaflyer4747: You have not created a filesystem on it. |
| 19:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | mkfs |
| 19:20.54 | deltaflyer4747 | jhutchins: on md? i did, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mdX |
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| 19:21.13 | deltaflyer4747 | install base system was installed successfully |
| 19:21.49 | User_007 | Sorry i got offline. Does anyone know about what i have ask? |
| 19:21.59 | Vasistha | User_007: check your /etc/fstab |
| 19:22.18 | deltaflyer4747 | not mentioned partman bug in Czech language ... |
| 19:22.35 | User_007 | Vasistha, /dev/sda2/media/SQ004681V03ntfsdefaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222,noauto00 |
| 19:23.36 | deltaflyer4747 | anyone ? |
| 19:24.18 | Vasistha | User_007: well it looks good, but I don't have any experience with passwords myself. What happens if you try to mount it from the command line? |
| 19:24.59 | User_007 | Vasistha, i can mount it by command line. if i am root |
| 19:25.00 | Vasistha | User_007: or wait... is that asking you for your linux root password for the purpose of mounting? That's odd... |
| 19:25.17 | Vasistha | User_007: okay, can you mount it at the command line if you are not root? Because that's what we need to do, right? |
| 19:25.26 | User_007 | no |
| 19:25.47 | User_007 | i want that when i want to use partition, it ask me from the root password |
| 19:25.49 | Vasistha | User_007: what command are you typing and what error does it give you? |
| 19:26.01 | deltaflyer4747 | :( |
| 19:26.26 | Vasistha | User_007: hum. I've never seen that behavior, though you say you previously had it set up that way. Dunno. |
| 19:27.31 | Vasistha | deltaflyer4747: so you've installed the base system, and you can e.g. chroot to it, and it looks nice. But you're having trouble getting grub installed to boot from a RAID root partition? |
| 19:27.37 | User_007 | it was default in Squeeze some time ago. |
| 19:27.45 | deltaflyer4747 | Vasistha: i am still in the installer |
| 19:27.59 | User_007 | but i can't do that anymore |
| 19:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: It sounds like Gnome used to know to use sudo to mount the volume, but it's forgotten, possibly due to an update. |
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| 19:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, running a non-stable release, no big surprize. That's what happens. |
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| 19:28.59 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: indeed. nice feature, I guess. Maybe the gnome people would know about it? |
| 19:29.04 | User_007 | jhutchins, but if used to work it can get working again |
| 19:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | deltaflyer4747: As I understand it, you need to use LILO to boot from RAID, grube can't handle it. |
| 19:29.15 | Vasistha | User_007: you might ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:29.41 | deltaflyer4747 | jhutchins: nope, it can, we use it on suse all the time |
| 19:29.48 | Vasistha | maybe grub could handle it if you have a /boot partition? |
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| 19:30.01 | deltaflyer4747 | Vasistha: also on MD |
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| 19:30.26 | Vasistha | well there's not a whole lot of sense having a separate /boot which is also on MD |
| 19:30.32 | User_007 | thank you guys |
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| 19:31.14 | deltaflyer4747 | argh, pastebin down :( |
| 19:32.20 | Vasistha | paste.debian.net |
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| 19:32.51 | deltaflyer4747 | thx |
| 19:33.12 | deltaflyer4747 | http://paste.debian.net/70360/ |
| 19:33.24 | deltaflyer4747 | this is actual working fstab where grub is used |
| 19:33.49 | deltaflyer4747 | yet i am unable to duplicate that |
| 19:35.28 | Vasistha | maybe it needs grub2? |
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| 19:35.50 | deltaflyer4747 | tried, no luck |
| 19:35.59 | deltaflyer4747 | (btw that paste is with grub) |
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| 19:37.47 | deltaflyer4747 | hmm... maybe... |
| 19:38.02 | deltaflyer4747 | "this array has metadata at the start and may not be suitable as a boot device" |
| 19:38.04 | deltaflyer4747 | :-/ |
| 19:38.05 | deltaflyer4747 | crap |
| 19:39.00 | deltaflyer4747 | does grub2 understand md/v1.x metadata ? |
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| 19:40.52 | foobar_ | hello |
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| 19:41.06 | foobar_ | any idea how to force smplayer to use mplayer-mt instead of standard mplayer? |
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| 19:42.20 | PWE | Someone out there knowing about apache configurations? |
| 19:42.23 | PWE | I have a virtual host with SSL encryption enabled. I try to grant access to a host based on the User-Agent string provided. Using SetEnvIf String ENV and Allow from env=ENV works fine until I include a java applet. The applet usually asks again for the credentials and does so if I use Allow from IP of the host. However, when using the ENV approach the applet does not work and the log file... |
| 19:42.24 | PWE | ...says. Access denied by client configuration. I can't just use the IP entry because the host has not static IP. Any ideas what's going wrong? |
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| 19:45.04 | Vasistha | PWE: ask #httpd |
| 19:46.27 | PWE | That's what I did. No answer yet. |
| 19:46.38 | helo | they are pros, they'll eventually give you the answer |
| 19:46.51 | Vasistha | patience is your friend |
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| 19:47.26 | deltaflyer4747 | last try, then bed |
| 19:47.40 | deltaflyer4747 | fdisked, mded, mkfsed... |
| 19:47.57 | deltaflyer4747 | "manual" in disk selection and continuing installation |
| 19:48.44 | Vasistha | hum, where might one get an idea of when squeeze will be frozen? |
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| 19:49.41 | deltaflyer4747 | dunno, but since it have fewer bugs than lenny... |
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| 19:50.30 | Vasistha | that depends how you define bugs and stability. It's clear your definition differs from mine |
| 19:51.40 | deltaflyer4747 | i define it by http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 19:53.15 | deltaflyer4747 | since january squeeze become more reliable system for me than lenny as lenny's bugs keep quite steady and squeeze's are dropping |
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| 19:54.00 | Vasistha | well, that is certainly interesting! Still, I'd bet squeeze is gonna be a moving target |
| 19:54.21 | SerajewelKS | are there any test scripts i can run that will do a bunch of tests to determine if an MTA does unauthenticated forwarding? |
| 19:54.41 | newsense | on debian is it recommend to install perl modules through apt or cpan ? |
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| 19:55.03 | mns | anyone know a good application to use for burning DVDs ? it would have audio files and video files on it |
| 19:55.19 | newsense | mns: i like growisofs |
| 19:55.32 | SerajewelKS | newsense: through aptitude, if the modules are available there |
| 19:55.44 | rvsjoen | !tell vasistha about wwsr |
| 19:56.14 | newsense | mns: dvd+rw-tools is the package name |
| 19:56.24 | newsense | SerajewelKS: thanks :) |
| 19:57.04 | newsense | mns: k3b is nice if ya like gui |
| 19:57.06 | SerajewelKS | newsense: a major advantage is that if you install X module with CPAN, then later install a package that needs module X, apt is going to insist on installing the debian package too |
| 19:57.27 | SerajewelKS | newsense: (advantage of using aptitude, that is) -- the module won't be installed twice |
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| 19:58.03 | newsense | SerajewelKS: cool thanks for explaining it, i will use apt whenever i can than |
| 19:58.21 | grondilu | Hi, I have a usb key that seem's broken. It doesn't mount automatically and I can't even repartition it with cfdisk (« FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive »). What can I do ? |
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| 19:59.06 | deltaflyer4747 | grondilu: find a bin |
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| 19:59.18 | Vasistha | thanks, rvsjoen -- didn't realize we had news sitting there to be read! Whoa, so kde 4.4 will be in Squeeze, that is definitely interesting news. Also, I suppose, reason for me to continue waiting...... |
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| 19:59.50 | grondilu | deltaflyer4747: Ha. Seriously there must be something I can do. |
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| 20:00.54 | Vasistha | grondilu: what does fdisk -l report? |
| 20:00.55 | abrotman | grondilu: it might be dead |
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| 20:01.38 | grondilu | "/sbin/fdisk -l" reports nothing. |
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| 20:02.09 | SerajewelKS | newsense: np |
| 20:02.17 | Vasistha | grondilu: uhm ... does dmesg show the device as being acknowledged by the kernel? |
| 20:02.30 | starenka | hi im runnig squeeze. can sbdy tell me what "trunk" in kernel version mean? 2.6.32-trunk-686 im trying to compile virtualbox module, but i'm unable to get sources for this kernel :( |
| 20:02.45 | SerajewelKS | starenka: "trunk" usually means "latest development version" |
| 20:02.51 | starenka | (it's a kernel i got after instlaling squeeze - never seen such in lenny) |
| 20:03.01 | SerajewelKS | starenka: this kernel version is no longer in squeeze, that's why you can't get the headers. switch to a newer kernel. |
| 20:03.06 | SerajewelKS | ,versions linux-2.6 |
| 20:03.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-2.6' was found. |
| 20:03.11 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 20:03.26 | mns | newsense: thanks for the info |
| 20:03.26 | Vasistha | ,versions linux-2.6* |
| 20:03.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-2.6*' was found. |
| 20:03.34 | Vasistha | no globbing here :P |
| 20:03.35 | newsense | mns: no problem |
| 20:03.39 | amphi | starenka: you should be using 2.6.32-3-$ARCH |
| 20:03.42 | grondilu | http://pastealacon.com/18113 |
| 20:03.49 | deltaflyer4747 | screw me |
| 20:04.01 | grondilu | dmesg|tail => http://pastealacon.com/18113 |
| 20:04.04 | amphi | !kernel |
| 20:04.08 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100415, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5, stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.2 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.11 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.46 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
| 20:04.17 | neutral | !kernel |
| 20:04.19 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100415, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5, stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.2 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.11 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.46 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
| 20:04.20 | neutral | whats that? |
| 20:04.20 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 20:04.22 | starenka | amphi: ok, but why the installer made me use this one? btw where's the menu.lst in the new grub (1.9?) |
| 20:04.23 | SerajewelKS | "stable" much? |
| 20:04.30 | SerajewelKS | amphi: somebody needs to fix that :) |
| 20:04.36 | deltaflyer4747 | starenka: neni |
| 20:04.46 | newsense | 32-4 is the latest i get here on squeeze |
| 20:05.09 | deltaflyer4747 | quitting |
| 20:05.17 | starenka | smoking? |
| 20:05.19 | starenka | :D |
| 20:05.19 | grondilu | Vasistha: dmesg|tail => http://pastealacon.com/18113 |
| 20:05.19 | SerajewelKS | starenka: if you were using the testing netinstall, it made you use that one because that was the latest kernel at the time you installed |
| 20:05.30 | amphi | newsense: really? -3 is what I have here on amd64 |
| 20:05.39 | newsense | amphi -4 here |
| 20:05.49 | newsense | inux-image-2.6.32-4-686 |
| 20:06.00 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't really matter. just grab the latest kernel for your arch. |
| 20:06.29 | Vasistha | grondilu: yes, I saw that, it doesn't look very good, does it? |
| 20:06.29 | starenka | SerajewelKS: okay. anyway, how's grub managed now? cant find menu.lst in /boot/grub :( |
| 20:06.43 | newsense | is trunk the same as the latest 32-4 ? |
| 20:06.43 | grondilu | no, it doesn't |
| 20:06.54 | amphi | no |
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| 20:07.02 | SerajewelKS | starenka: grub-pc uses a different config format. installing/removing a kernel will trigger an update by dpkg, as usual. |
| 20:07.09 | amphi | or it wasn't ;) |
| 20:07.21 | starenka | oh, need to read smhtng about it i guess |
| 20:07.24 | starenka | thank you guys |
| 20:07.34 | starenka | have a nice weekend |
| 20:07.44 | SerajewelKS | starenka: or don't use testing if you don't like fiddling with apt all the time :) |
| 20:07.47 | newsense | guess i have been running an old kernel all this time than |
| 20:07.58 | SerajewelKS | newsense: does the kernel work? |
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| 20:08.13 | newsense | SerajewelKS: yeah seems to |
| 20:08.16 | newsense | :) |
| 20:08.19 | newsense | i know |
| 20:08.21 | SerajewelKS | newsense: tada! you win. |
| 20:08.36 | starenka | SerajewelKS: i don't care that much. like my hands getting dirty ;) |
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| 20:08.48 | Tramp | grondilu: you did that fdisk -l previously as root? |
| 20:09.00 | SerajewelKS | starenka: ditto, that's why i use testing too. plus i develop software and it's nice having recent shit to develop with. |
| 20:09.02 | newsense | does testing get kernel security updates ? |
| 20:09.02 | grondilu | yes |
| 20:09.35 | SerajewelKS | newsense: testing gets security updates, but usually the package in question just gets upgraded to the latest upstream |
| 20:09.50 | starenka | SerajewelKS: yep, that was on of the reasons why i switched from lenny. the number of pkgs i had to apt-build from sid/squeeze were getting astronomical |
| 20:10.05 | SerajewelKS | newsense: IIRC the testing security repo is for holy-shit-there's-a-hole-but-no-new-upstream-yet |
| 20:10.07 | grondilu | Tramp: sorry. No I didn't. I did $ /sbin/fdisk -l |
| 20:10.15 | newsense | SerajewelKS: reason i ask is i noticed i have had 2.6.32-trunk for a while and haven't seen any updates i remember |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | newsense: do you have the metapackage for the kernel installed ? |
| 20:10.35 | starenka | my case too ^^ |
| 20:10.48 | Tramp | grondilu: that's why I asked |
| 20:10.56 | newsense | abrotman: what package ? |
| 20:11.09 | abrotman | newsense: what's your current kernel ? |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 20:11.29 | grondilu | If I do '$ sudo fdisk -l' I get usual info from my other drives |
| 20:11.42 | newsense | abrotman: 2.6.32-trunk |
| 20:11.48 | abrotman | grondilu: did you look in dmesg to see what happens when you insert the drive ? |
| 20:11.56 | abrotman | newsense: that's not what it says .. what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 20:11.59 | newsense | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 20:12.02 | newsense | sorry |
| 20:12.05 | abrotman | newsense: aptitude instal linux-image-686 |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | install |
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| 20:12.21 | grondilu | abrotman. I get those messages : http://pastealacon.com/18113 |
| 20:12.37 | newsense | abrotman: that a new meta package ? |
| 20:12.52 | newsense | i know linux-image |
| 20:12.52 | abrotman | that is the metapackage |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | newsense: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 20:13.08 | newsense | abrotman: i am |
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| 20:13.24 | abrotman | grondilu: see the part about "not accepting" .. not good |
| 20:13.33 | newsense | abrotman: i was wondering if that meta package is a new thing, i remember only linux-image |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | newsense: uhm .. yeah .. new in like 2003 ? |
| 20:13.52 | newsense | haha |
| 20:14.12 | newsense | been away for a while ;) |
| 20:14.17 | starenka | :) |
| 20:14.18 | grondilu | there must be some way to erase it for good, no ? |
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| 20:15.11 | newsense | i am curious as to why i was missing that meta-package in the first place now |
| 20:15.19 | newsense | never had the problem before |
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| 20:16.19 | puty | hi abortman when u sleep?:) |
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| 20:16.44 | Titan8990 | aparently not enough at work... |
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| 20:19.56 | newsense | hmmm i am not able to get linux-image-686 to install properly it says it needs linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 so i install it and it still fails |
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| 20:20.24 | Titan8990 | newsense: pastebin... |
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| 20:20.49 | puty | anyone got experience with drupal ? |
| 20:20.55 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 20:20.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:21.23 | puty | ok |
| 20:21.25 | puty | sorry |
| 20:21.35 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 20:21.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:21.36 | SerajewelKS | newsense: ^^^ |
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| 20:21.53 | newsense | SerajewelKS: looking for a paste site now one sec |
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| 20:22.33 | puty | ok i migrated drupal from hosting to local |
| 20:22.54 | newsense | http://pastebin.org/170968 |
| 20:23.00 | newsense | SerajewelKS: ^^ |
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| 20:23.22 | starenka | what does 2.6.32+25 mean? i still have the trunk kernel (which is stated as 32.5), linux-header is a meta, right? im sooo confused :( |
| 20:23.42 | puty | web works parcialy |
| 20:23.53 | puty | a can't login |
| 20:24.09 | SerajewelKS | starenka: that's probably the version of the package |
| 20:24.11 | Titan8990 | newsense: No space left on device |
| 20:24.17 | Titan8990 | newsense: your hard drive is full |
| 20:24.20 | newsense | Titan8990: nope |
| 20:24.25 | newsense | looked at that already |
| 20:24.29 | starenka | SerajewelKS: well but what the + mean? |
| 20:24.30 | newsense | nowhere close |
| 20:25.03 | SerajewelKS | starenka: it's a character used to separate two numbers |
| 20:25.24 | Titan8990 | newsense: then bug report it |
| 20:25.33 | starenka | SerajewelKS: :) heh, right. okay what's difference between . and + then? |
| 20:25.59 | newsense | Titan8990: let me look into it further and i'll come back to verify with someone here if they think it is a bug or not |
| 20:26.05 | newsense | Titan8990: thank you |
| 20:26.10 | Tramp | newsense: check inodes as well ( df -i ) |
| 20:26.11 | puty | any idea? |
| 20:26.45 | SerajewelKS | starenka: typically the . separated version number is taken from upstream, and numbers after - or + refer to the version of the source package, as opposed to the upstream version of the contained software |
| 20:27.13 | puty | I expored sql database from host and import to local. everything ok the start page it's ok |
| 20:27.26 | puty | but i can't login |
| 20:27.27 | starenka | SerajewelKS: thank you |
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| 20:27.48 | Titan8990 | puty: #drupal |
| 20:28.33 | puty | ok |
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| 20:28.54 | puty | understud |
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| 20:29.04 | puty | understood |
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| 20:34.00 | puty | hi |
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| 20:42.49 | helo | how hard would data recovery be if one randomly selected bit out of each byte was flipped? |
| 20:43.35 | SerajewelKS | depends on what kind of data we're talking about |
| 20:43.53 | SerajewelKS | starenka: np |
| 20:47.10 | frostschutz | helo: pretty much impossible, unless it's plain text and a known language where you have all words in a dictionary or something |
| 20:51.38 | helo | interesting difference in answers between here and #crypto :) |
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| 20:56.57 | jelly-home | helo: nonsensical theoretical questions are bound to get all sorts of answers |
| 20:57.26 | frostschutz | helo: murphy's law, when you don't want data to be restored, it's possible, when you want data to be restored, it's not possible |
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| 20:58.07 | frostschutz | helo: so if you want to delete data, you should overwrite all, not just flip one bit |
| 20:58.40 | Gentoochild | woudln't make much sense on a hard disk anyway |
| 20:58.47 | Gentoochild | because they don't write bitwise |
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| 20:58.55 | frostschutz | is there any device that does? :-O |
| 20:59.08 | frostschutz | apart from punch hole cards maybe? ;) |
| 20:59.11 | Gentoochild | punch-cards ^^ |
| 20:59.15 | Gentoochild | rofl |
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| 20:59.30 | Gentoochild | "Zwei Blöde, ein Gedanke" |
| 20:59.34 | frostschutz | :) |
| 20:59.58 | starenka | what's the best way how to remap f1 to esc? |
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| 21:01.06 | frostschutz | if it can be done with keymaps, that |
| 21:01.19 | frostschutz | otherwise a soldering iron ;) |
| 21:01.39 | amphi | starenka: or you can use xmodmap |
| 21:02.47 | starenka | frostschutz: :)) amphi: oh, forget that one |
| 21:03.03 | starenka | amphi: i mean i did forget about it |
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| 21:05.16 | starenka | amphi: so i just catch the cc w/ xev and do keycode xx = Escape |
| 21:05.17 | starenka | ? |
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| 21:07.39 | Gentoochild | guys, I need some more advice. For some to be found reason, I can't get evdev, hal and xorg to work together :-/ |
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| 21:07.59 | Gentoochild | in particular: I have a problem with the synaptics the touchpad |
| 21:08.01 | Gentoochild | -the |
| 21:08.24 | Gentoochild | hal obeys my settings, but synclient shows different values. |
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| 21:09.46 | Gentoochild | Xorg.0.log says: "SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad: no supporte touchpad found" |
| 21:10.25 | Gentoochild | and a few lines up it says the oppisite |
| 21:10.39 | Gentoochild | :-/ |
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| 21:12.34 | helo | jelly-home: non-sensical? hah |
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| 21:17.56 | helo | maybe you have very limited entropy to overwrite data with? |
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| 21:18.19 | helo | zeroes would probably be better than not overwriting some bits heh |
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| 21:21.54 | newsense | anyone know a good way to tell what is filling up my / partition, it suddenly filled up |
| 21:22.11 | frostschutz | helo: you don't have to use random data to overwrite - unless you're planning to encrypt later and don't want someone to see free space as zeroes |
| 21:22.14 | Vasistha | du /var |
| 21:22.18 | Gentoochild | du /* -s |
| 21:22.24 | frostschutz | newsense: df, xdiskusage |
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| 21:24.33 | newsense | don't see anything interesting :( |
| 21:25.40 | frostschutz | newsense: does df actually say the disk is full? otherwise you probably ran out of inodes (check with df -i) |
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| 21:26.26 | newsense | ahhh nm |
| 21:26.26 | newsense | i see what it is now |
| 21:26.26 | newsense | something was installed to opt which i have no seperate partition for |
| 21:26.26 | newsense | thanks guys |
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| 21:27.13 | newsense | so df -h = 100% used and df -i = 39% full |
| 21:27.49 | newsense | so i ran out of space and not inodes |
| 21:28.06 | Vasistha | newsense: the way to run out of inodes would be to have lots and lots of very small files |
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| 21:34.26 | qwd | When my Ubuntu using friend copies a text in Firefox the links are included in the paste. Anyone know how to do this on Iceweasel? |
| 21:35.24 | krankkatze | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade from stable to testing |
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| 21:35.47 | qwd | krankkatze: !testing |
| 21:35.47 | krankkatze | and the "squeeze/volatile" repositories aren't found |
| 21:36.04 | krankkatze | qwd: sorry? |
| 21:37.22 | qwd | Does Squeeze even have volatile? http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/ |
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| 21:39.53 | qwd | krankkatze: nope, there's no volatile for testing. only for stable and oldstable |
| 21:40.02 | krankkatze | so should I keep the stable volatile repo |
| 21:40.08 | krankkatze | or should I simply delete the lines? |
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| 21:42.42 | Vasistha | it may be that the packages which are in stable/volatile are in testing/main or some such |
| 21:42.51 | qwd | I *think* volatile has lower priority than testing so there's not really any point in keeping it. I'd remove it. Based on what I found by googling a few minutes. |
| 21:42.57 | Vasistha | ...because since testing is already volatile, it does not need a volatile repo |
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| 21:55.34 | scnags | !sandbox |
| 21:55.45 | scnags | ummmmm |
| 21:56.01 | scnags | the repo of everything uploaded ever |
| 21:56.01 | scnags | i need that |
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| 21:57.12 | sjr_ | Can anyone think of an pop3 to imap gateway. Basically I have an application that has a bug in it's pop3 library, and so as a work around, I'm trying to find a way to convert it to imap on the fly. The only thing it has to support is downloading mail, and it will pull it very fast. |
| 21:58.13 | Zone | scnags, archive.debian.org ? |
| 21:58.36 | shining | thats crazy. I lost many hours today because debian installer did NOT write the root/user passwords |
| 21:58.49 | Zone | scnags, or snapshot.debian.org |
| 21:58.54 | shining | shadow did not have any pw for any user, just * everywhere |
| 21:59.33 | Zone | shining, sounds bug report worthy |
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| 22:02.06 | shining | Zone: I don't think I ever want to reinstall again to see if I can reproduce :) |
| 22:02.26 | shining | it was troublesome enough today, especially without a serial cable to debug |
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| 22:04.23 | shining | and I already started to configure/install things. I do wonder if the installer is broken everywhere, or just on my special system. http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-219/install.html |
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| 22:04.46 | shining | so I will first report back to the awesome guy who wrote all this doc and see |
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| 22:05.00 | Zone | shining, the install logs might give some insight |
| 22:05.29 | devin | anyone using debian squeeze notice dolphin freezing when clicking on a highlighted file? |
| 22:05.44 | devin | in kde of course |
| 22:05.49 | scnags | Zone, thx |
| 22:06.00 | shining | Zone: oh there are install logs ? |
| 22:06.11 | Titan8990 | !tell devin about bts |
| 22:06.14 | shining | I'm interested |
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| 22:07.58 | Zone | shining, /var/log/installer, maybe some in /root |
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| 22:09.32 | shining | Zone: Apr 23 15:03:59 chpasswd[29348]: pam_winbind(chpasswd:chauthtok): valid_user: wbcGetpwnam gave WBC_ERR_WINBIND_NOT_AVAILABLE |
| 22:10.25 | shining | uhm I got similar errors with pam_winbind when I first tried to log via ssh |
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| 22:10.57 | shining | so I investigated in that direction rather than checking the password .. thats how I lost lot of time :) |
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| 22:12.14 | Titan8990 | Zone: I don't think debian has install logs in /root at all, that is a rhel/anaconda thing |
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| 22:12.32 | shining | yeah it was in /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 22:13.08 | Zone | Titan8990, it does/did for d-i beta releases, but not final releases I think |
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| 22:26.14 | Argafal | i'm looking for a list of setxkbmap options. background story: I want to swap the ESC and the F1 key. I successfully substitued Caps Lock by Compose using setxkbmap us -option "compose:caps" and I hoped something similar might be possible for ESC/F1. |
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| 22:36.36 | krisfremen | hmmm... this is weird... |
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| 22:36.58 | krisfremen | running X normally says everything is fine.. but when making a vnc session, the graphics are garbled |
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| 22:39.51 | abadr | How do I automate installing postfix, given that the package installation prompts for setup? Passing -y to apt-get install doesn't help. |
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| 22:41.51 | krisfremen | xrdb: No such file or directory |
| 22:41.51 | krisfremen | xrdb: can't open file '/home/kris/.Xresources' |
| 22:41.56 | Titan8990 | abadr: pretty sure you need to use a dpkg option with -o. check man dpkg |
| 22:42.08 | abadr | Titan8990: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 22:42.18 | krisfremen | that's what i get in vnc logs |
| 22:42.44 | Titan8990 | abadr: I mean aptitude -o or apt-get -o |
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| 22:42.50 | Titan8990 | !tell abadr about why aptitude |
| 22:43.42 | Titan8990 | krisfremen: your using rdp or vnc? |
| 22:43.44 | shylent | why aptitude, by the way? I thought its main selling point was an ability to remove autoinstalled packages. But surely apt-get can also do that |
| 22:43.46 | krisfremen | vnc |
| 22:43.51 | shylent | I mean, I do use aptitude |
| 22:44.01 | Titan8990 | krisfremen: but using xrdp and an rdp client? |
| 22:44.16 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 22:44.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 22:44.24 | krisfremen | no.. no rdp involved |
| 22:44.31 | krisfremen | just vncserver and vncviewer |
| 22:45.15 | shylent | so it does handle conflicts better? |
| 22:45.26 | shylent | that's nice |
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| 22:47.03 | Titan8990 | yes, and it tries to resolve solutions |
| 22:48.02 | shylent | Titan8990: yes, I've seen that (when it gives you several options). Unfortunately, I've never found that particular feature useful |
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| 22:48.23 | shylent | though, It's very rare for me to break my packages :P |
| 22:50.23 | Titan8990 | shylent: rare for all users of stable |
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| 22:51.40 | Titan8990 | well, pure stable... there are some that pin from other releases, etc |
| 22:51.46 | shylent | Titan8990: I actually run squeeze on a number of machines. But yes, I do agree with you, - with testing/unstable it is always messier :) |
| 22:52.31 | Gm4n | is there a way to download a package file (using apt-get or whatever) but not install it? I want to use dpkg to extract parts of the package. |
| 22:52.57 | Titan8990 | shylent: last squeeze box I setup broke packages after a gnome-desktop installation |
| 22:53.21 | shylent | Gm4n: --download-only |
| 22:53.23 | sthon | Gm4n: man apt-get |
| 22:53.45 | shylent | Titan8990: oh yes, I would imagine, that with the desktop-related packages it is even more messy |
| 22:53.47 | Titan8990 | aptitude download |
| 22:54.32 | Titan8990 | shylent: the problem was it lacked an openoffice.org theme, which -base required upon configuration |
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| 22:55.08 | Gm4n | thanks guys =) I did RTFM, but was looking through the actions portion. |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | yeah .. / searches in a man page .. /download might have helped |
| 22:55.30 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I don't want apache2 started daily. Do I have to remove /etc/cron.daily/apache2? |
| 22:55.36 | shylent | if you are impatient, you can search teh man page :) |
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| 22:58.40 | mohamed-ragab | hi i want to add new web site in my vps and i add conf and mov to dir /var/www/mysite but the site give me "It works!" |
| 22:59.50 | Titan8990 | mohamed-ragab: you have to reload apache after making configuration changes |
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| 23:02.33 | Zone | kurkale6ka, you probably want to edit /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
| 23:03.07 | kurkale6ka | Zone: ah, ok. thx |
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| 23:06.39 | Titan8990 | I guess that worked? |
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| 23:12.38 | Gentoochild | hm.. my laptop's Xorg.0.log says "config/hal: Adding input device", whereas the other laptop says "config/udev: Adding input device" |
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| 23:13.01 | Gentoochild | so xorg uses udev before hal, that's why it doesn't heed my touchpad settings |
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| 23:14.01 | mohamed-ragab | site open dir /var/www/ buy default how i change these |
| 23:14.19 | fefo | oh good grief |
| 23:15.38 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: read your webserver configuratoin files |
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| 23:16.59 | mohamed-ragab | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 23:16.59 | mohamed-ragab | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.00 | mohamed-ragab | ServerName www.mohamednesma.net |
| 23:17.00 | mohamed-ragab | DocumentRoot /srv/www/mohamed |
| 23:17.00 | mohamed-ragab | </VirtualHost> |
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| 23:17.00 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: depends on the version of debian. Current stable can't use udev |
| 23:17.15 | Gentoochild | I'm on SID, if I know that correctly |
| 23:17.24 | Gentoochild | I switched to unstable repos for KDe4 |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | great plan |
| 23:17.44 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite Gentoochild |
| 23:17.45 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling Gentoochild, and when it's all done, Gentoochild runs no faster than previously |
| 23:18.06 | Gentoochild | was that sarcastic? It's only a test system anyway |
| 23:18.15 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: sid will make you feel more at home as a gentoo user. rolling updates, broken packages, etc |
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| 23:18.35 | Titan8990 | !tell mohamed-ragab about pastebin |
| 23:18.36 | Gentoochild | that's why I kept the working system as default and created that one on a spare partition |
| 23:18.47 | Gentoochild | (the work system is an intact Lenny) |
| 23:19.07 | Titan8990 | good choice |
| 23:19.30 | Gentoochild | but the owner of the laptop had several issues, so we wanted to see how KDE4 was farig |
| 23:19.32 | Gentoochild | +n |
| 23:19.35 | mohamed-ragab | VirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:19.35 | krankkatze | hey, what's the name of the kernel package? |
| 23:19.44 | Gentoochild | uhm.. linux-image? |
| 23:20.00 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, ServerName www.mohamednesma.net |
| 23:20.01 | mohamed-ragab | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: you didn't configure it correctrly |
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| 23:20.35 | Titan8990 | !pastebin |
| 23:20.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | krankkatze: linux-image-<yourarch> |
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| 23:22.09 | krankkatze | thanks guys |
| 23:23.14 | mohamed-ragab | http://pastie.org/932362 |
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| 23:26.26 | Gentoochild | hm.. so I shall try'n migrate my hal-based touchpad settings to udev, eh |
| 23:26.41 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: read the rest of the config files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 23:26.59 | Titan8990 | the old xorg.conf settings probably still work through all these transitions... |
| 23:27.14 | Gentoochild | about that gentoosmite: actually recompiling the system takes about 2 days including my entire kde4 environment |
| 23:27.31 | Gentoochild | hm yes, or disable that autmatic device grabbing |
| 23:27.55 | Gentoochild | and including some problems on the way when reinstalling from a new base system |
| 23:27.56 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: distcc is nice |
| 23:28.08 | Gentoochild | just my laptop, no distcc |
| 23:28.25 | Gentoochild | only I've got 3GB of RAM, so I put my build dir into a ramdisk |
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| 23:29.42 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, http://pastie.org/932372 |
| 23:29.43 | Titan8990 | so gentoo can reduce the lifespan of laptops |
| 23:30.33 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: you should really ask your system admin .. apparently you're not so good at this ? |
| 23:33.01 | Gentoochild | Titan8990: what did you deduce that fact from? |
| 23:33.09 | Gentoochild | rather, that claim |
| 23:35.55 | Arrowmaster | so not really an issue but something thats annoying me, when i switch VT's and switch back to X, my numlock led turns off but numlock is still on, i have to press the key twice to turn the led back on |
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| 23:36.11 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: two full days of maxed out CPU... I don't know about yours but mine get pretty hot after a while of cpu intensive stuff. maybe I just buy laptops with insufficient cooling |
| 23:36.22 | Arrowmaster | that known behavior or is something just weird on my end? |
| 23:36.31 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: and does that count waking up the next morning to see "ebuild failed!"? :p |
| 23:36.32 | Gentoochild | hm... it's not all brute-crunching |
| 23:36.53 | Zone | yeah, some of it is disk-churning |
| 23:37.06 | Gentoochild | *g* for that you have --keep-going, --resume and --skipfirst |
| 23:37.31 | Gentoochild | but anyway. I've set the xorg.conf with the synaptics driver instead of evdev, and now some things are working by default again. |
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| 23:37.52 | Zone | --skip is my favorite ebuild option |
| 23:38.54 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 23:38.54 | dpkg | BackTrack: Proudly annoying #debian since 2009. |
| 23:39.12 | Titan8990 | he has one that says "gentoo causes global warming" |
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| 23:39.44 | Gentoochild | hm... good point -_- |
| 23:40.16 | Gentoochild | instead, binary distros install and load every sh*t there is, because you can't disable it at install time |
| 23:40.37 | Titan8990 | thats when they use split packaging |
| 23:41.09 | Titan8990 | not applicable to everything.. |
| 23:41.16 | kurkale6ka | Hi, how can I prevent apache from starting daily? |
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| 23:41.44 | Gentoochild | well, I got a clean concious, because in summer I use the bike instead of the car for visiting my parents 50km away |
| 23:41.48 | Titan8990 | kurkale6ka: you mean on boot? |
| 23:41.57 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, i learn myself in my VPS , what can i read to be system admin ? |
| 23:41.58 | kurkale6ka | yes Titan8990 |
| 23:42.36 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: an example is gentoo has a single ebuild for openssh and has USE flags to determine if you get the server. debian splits -client and -server into different packages |
| 23:42.53 | Titan8990 | kurkale6ka: update-rc.d remove apache2 -f |
| 23:43.05 | Gentoochild | that openssh thing I noticed a few minutes ago |
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| 23:43.34 | kurkale6ka | Titan8990: thx |
| 23:44.03 | karsten | Is there a desktop monitor (gkrellm, conky, etc.) which can display nagios alerts? |
| 23:44.52 | PinkFreud | 'crap, average global temperature has gone up again. Must be a new Gentoo release.' |
| 23:44.59 | Gentoochild | ^^ |
| 23:45.07 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 23:45.23 | Gentoochild | but even with gentoo, I use considerably less power than many other people, because my laptop takes a total of 30W max at full throttle |
| 23:45.58 | krankkatze | how do you do that? |
| 23:46.09 | Gentoochild | by buing no cheap discounter hardware |
| 23:46.18 | Gentoochild | with AMD Turion |
| 23:46.24 | Gentoochild | or Celeron |
| 23:46.30 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, |
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| 23:47.29 | im | hi, I have the debian dvd In this computer, slackware is running right now on this machine and I'm feeling good for giving debian a try, how can I install debian directly from this DVD iso image which I already have in my computer |
| 23:47.33 | Gentoochild | and I might add those 30W include a 15" 4:3 screen and a dedicated graphics chip. But enough of that, I don't wanna bore anyone ;-) |
| 23:47.33 | im | :p |
| 23:47.45 | Jeeves_Moss | can someone give me a good pointer on how to set up a v-hosted system on apache? for some reason, I can't seem to get it to sort the incomming requests via domain names |
| 23:48.07 | Titan8990 | mohamed-ragab: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ |
| 23:48.52 | Jeeves_Moss | Titan8990, any ideas on this v-host issue? |
| 23:49.36 | Titan8990 | Jeeves_Moss: that is based on ServerName and ServerAlias |
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| 23:50.08 | Titan8990 | Jeeves_Moss: make sure you reload apache after making configuration changes |
| 23:50.16 | Gentoochild | PinkFreud: BTW: there are no "Gentoo releases" as such :-p |
| 23:51.36 | Titan8990 | Gentoochild: gentoo actually does have releases.. even though it is a rolling release system, they have milestones. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/ |
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| 23:56.40 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: ? |
| 23:56.58 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: http://httpd.apache.org/ is a good start |
| 23:57.24 | Titan8990 | abrotman: I already linked him to /docs/2.0 |
| 23:57.45 | mohamed-ragab | i installed apache2 in vps not httpd |
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| 23:57.58 | Titan8990 | mohamed-ragab: that is httpd |
| 23:58.27 | mohamed-ragab | Titan8990, Nice Thanks |
| 23:58.59 | Jeeves_Moss | Titan8990, are you working with a v-host problem |