| 00:01.16 | Titan8990 | Jeeves_Moss: I made some suggestions, do you have another question? |
| 00:02.24 | Titan8990 | Jeeves_Moss: have you read the virtual host documentation on apache.org as we were point mohamed-ragab towards? |
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| 00:05.32 | abadr | Is it possible to use a preseeding file when installing a single file? (postfix) |
| 00:05.41 | abadr | a single package, I mean |
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| 00:06.14 | aguitel | is the wiki site working? |
| 00:06.32 | adb | no |
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| 00:07.12 | aguitel | why |
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| 00:07.32 | adb | DOWN: {wiki,buildd,...}.debian.org |
| 00:07.55 | aguitel | how much time is down? |
| 00:07.57 | abrotman | abadr: there's a debconf --set-selections or something like that |
| 00:08.21 | abadr | sweet, I'll look into that |
| 00:08.25 | abrotman | til it's back |
| 00:08.28 | im | I have the debian DVD in this computer mounted as a loop device in another linux distro, where can I find an executable to run the debian installer |
| 00:09.02 | aguitel | im no hables boludeces |
| 00:09.16 | im | aguitel: perdon ? |
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| 00:11.49 | abadr | abrotman: worked beautifully. thanks! |
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| 00:16.12 | krankkatze | http://pastebin.com/q2mJh1Br |
| 00:16.17 | krankkatze | I love debian :D |
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| 00:17.00 | krankkatze | i've been fighting on #gentoo and #archlinux for ages to make them use a real sh :D |
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| 00:17.54 | fefo | ehm hmm |
| 00:18.07 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, Thanks it work now http://www.mohamednesma.net/ |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | yasy |
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| 00:18.49 | Theravadan | Is there a python-gobject debian package for etch 4.0? |
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| 00:19.12 | abrotman | Theravadan: packages.debian.org/python-gobject |
| 00:20.51 | Theravadan | abrotman, thx, based on that it seems there's nothing for etch |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | quite possible |
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| 00:22.40 | Theravadan | yet I see with python2.4 I can load gobject. I'm a newbie here but is there a way to, given a file on the filesystem, find the package the file belongs to or perhaps it reports the file belongs to no package? |
| 00:24.25 | gapz | apt-file ? dpkg -S ? |
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| 00:24.45 | Theravadan | thanks gapz , dlocate did it |
| 00:25.21 | Theravadan | dpkg -S is the same thing |
| 00:25.21 | dpkg | There is no record of a is the same thing package |
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| 00:29.32 | Theravadan | so it seems python-gtk2 provides gobject.so for importing in python2.4 but there is no python2.5-gtk2 package, i guess I'm hosed. |
| 00:30.06 | cdjvc | when is the date of launch of debian Squeeze stable? |
| 00:30.31 | Titan8990 | ,versions python2.5-gtk2 |
| 00:30.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python2.5-gtk2' was found. |
| 00:30.32 | cdjvc | sorry for my english |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman_ | cdjvc: there is no date |
| 00:31.02 | Titan8990 | ,versions python-gtk |
| 00:31.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python-gtk' was found. |
| 00:31.03 | krisfremen | debian squeeze stable? |
| 00:31.11 | Titan8990 | ,versions python-gtk2 |
| 00:31.13 | judd | python-gtk2 -- etch: 2.8.6-8; lenny: 2.12.1-6; squeeze: 2.16.0-2; sid: 2.17.0-2 |
| 00:31.25 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: looks like the above the package your looking for |
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| 00:31.48 | cdjvc | thanks abrotman_ |
| 00:32.16 | Theravadan | Titan8990, thanks. that was isntalled when only python2.4 was isntalled so perhaps if I reinstall it now that i have python2.5 it will put the gobject python2.5 file in place |
| 00:32.57 | Theravadan | http://packages.debian.org/etch/python-gtk2 says "python (<< 2.5)" and "python (>= 2.4)" not sure what that means. |
| 00:33.13 | Theravadan | perhaps that means it only applies to python 2.4 |
| 00:34.43 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: oh.. etch. there may not be a package for it. however, you should consider upgrading since etch no longer gets security updates |
| 00:35.46 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: you may be able to just backport the one from lenny though |
| 00:35.50 | Titan8990 | !tell Theravadan about ssb |
| 00:36.07 | Theravadan | Titan8990, agreed, there are about 90 or so machines with it in the field with 90% disk full so I'd like to avoid it |
| 00:36.30 | Theravadan | hmmm lemme look into lenny backport Titan8990 |
| 00:36.34 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: then they are in bad need of maintence/upgrade/replacement |
| 00:36.52 | Theravadan | Titan8990, agreed 100%, we talk about that every day. |
| 00:38.36 | Titan8990 | ,versions python2.5 |
| 00:38.37 | judd | python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1; etch-security: 2.5-5+etch2; lenny: 2.5.2-15; lenny-security: 2.5.2-15+lenny1; squeeze: 2.5.5-2; sid: 2.5.5-6 |
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| 00:39.12 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: libs are usually the most difficult to backport but its worth a shot |
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| 00:39.47 | Theravadan | Titan8990, thanks, I'll see. looks like moving to python2.5 from python2.4 on these old machines is more challenging than I originally thought. |
| 00:40.02 | ne7work | what the fuck |
| 00:40.03 | ne7work | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 00:40.05 | ne7work | how to install? |
| 00:40.12 | ne7work | after installing debian how much space will it take this distro? |
| 00:40.19 | Raven1 | hi how can i mount ext4 on debian ? |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | ne7work: what kind of question is that ? |
| 00:40.33 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: and upgrade to lenny would be easier if you are talking about making 2.5 the default python |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | Raven1: which version of debian ? |
| 00:40.44 | Raven1 | lenny :) |
| 00:40.49 | abrotman | Raven1: no |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | !tell Raven1 about bpo |
| 00:40.57 | Raven1 | abrotman: :D yes |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | okay .. it's your data .. do whatever you want |
| 00:41.06 | Raven1 | abrotman: tanks |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | ne7work: if you have broadband, we'll tell you to get the netinst ISO, and get the rest from the internet via http download .. much easier than downlading any full ISOs |
| 00:42.29 | ne7work | abrotman, i will pppoe settings for internet |
| 00:42.32 | ne7work | how to install |
| 00:42.35 | ne7work | with netinst |
| 00:42.46 | Titan8990 | !install guide |
| 00:42.46 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | it has the ability to do pppoe in the netinst IIRC |
| 00:43.25 | Titan8990 | I recall it asking about pppoe too |
| 00:43.51 | ne7work | on ubuntu i fix |
| 00:43.54 | ne7work | sudo pppoeconf |
| 00:44.04 | ne7work | but ubuntu is one cd |
| 00:44.05 | ne7work | 690 mb |
| 00:44.10 | ne7work | debian is 29 cds |
| 00:44.11 | ne7work | ? |
| 00:44.22 | Titan8990 | you only need the 150mb netinst |
| 00:44.31 | abrotman | and a new enter key |
| 00:45.08 | ne7work | when i install debian how much space will take |
| 00:45.08 | ne7work | ? |
| 00:45.12 | Raven1 | abrotman: i want add another linux on grub and i have 2 hard disk okey on sda i have debian lenny on other one i have ARCHlinux but i have problem with grub and i cant run arch on my pc i want add ARCH on grub do you have idea ? |
| 00:45.37 | Zone | ne7work, a base install is ~300MB |
| 00:45.39 | Titan8990 | ne7work: from a netinst, with no tasks selected, 200-40mb |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | ne7work: depends how much you install |
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| 00:45.48 | Titan8990 | s/40/400 |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | Raven1: so choose one distro to manage grub ... |
| 00:46.13 | Raven1 | debian |
| 00:46.25 | Titan8990 | Raven1: it can be convenient to have the two share a /boot |
| 00:46.34 | Raven1 | abrotman: i choose debian to manage but i cant mount ARCH partition |
| 00:46.36 | ne7work | and now how to install |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:46.42 | ne7work | what i write to cd? |
| 00:46.42 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 00:46.56 | ne7work | debian-504-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 00:46.58 | Titan8990 | ne7work: we have told you multiple times which cd you need |
| 00:46.58 | ne7work | debian-504-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
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| 00:47.23 | Titan8990 | ne7work: does that say netinst? .. that will work however |
| 00:47.40 | Titan8990 | assuming you want 64bit |
| 00:48.31 | ne7work | i need 64-bit debian |
| 00:48.34 | Raven1 | Titan8990: what your meaning ? And I must say that I do not boot partition name |
| 00:49.18 | Titan8990 | Raven1: just disregard it |
| 00:49.42 | Raven1 | oky |
| 00:49.46 | Raven1 | okey* |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | Raven1: the kernel that lenny comes with by default cannot mount an ext4 partition |
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| 00:50.57 | Theravadan | Titan8990, I don't see that lenny backports provides python-gobject, am I looking in the wrong place? here's the url: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/main/source/Sources |
| 00:51.20 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: no, I meant for you to backport it yourself from debian main |
| 00:51.50 | Titan8990 | Theravadan: it will replace your existing python-gtk2 package so there is potential for breakage |
| 00:51.53 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 00:51.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 00:52.00 | Titan8990 | s/sid/lenny/ |
| 00:52.19 | Theravadan | Titan8990, ahh got it, thanks Titan8990 |
| 00:53.06 | sshc | Where can I download a liveCD with KDE, preferably version 4? |
| 00:54.21 | Titan8990 | sshc: from another distro most likely. there might be an alpha or beta for squeeze debian live though |
| 00:54.41 | Titan8990 | doesn't know if debian live has a kde varient either |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | sshc: i don't think Debian currently has such a thing .. |
| 00:55.21 | sshc | I found it: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/net/debian-live-504-i386-kde-desktop-net.tar.gz |
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| 00:56.00 | sshc | Hardware acceleration is broken in QT with archlinux |
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| 00:56.08 | sshc | On my system, at least |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | sshc: that doesn't have kde4 |
| 00:56.39 | sshc | abrotman: If there is nothing with kde4, then kde3 will do I guess |
| 00:56.46 | sshc | abrotman: Does it have kde3? |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | sshc: did you ask #kubuntu perhaps? |
| 00:56.52 | Titan8990 | yes, 3.5 |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | sshc: yes, that ISO has kde3 |
| 00:57.04 | Titan8990 | abrotman: that is not the kde distro to recommend... |
| 00:57.12 | ne7work | I need this one debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:57.13 | ne7work | ? |
| 00:57.14 | ne7work | or what |
| 00:57.16 | ne7work | to install debian |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | he asked for kde4 on a liveCD .. debian doesn't have it |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | ne7work: yes |
| 00:57.31 | ne7work | when i burn |
| 00:57.35 | ne7work | this subscribe to debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso so? |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | ne7work: yes |
| 00:57.44 | ne7work | and? |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | ne7work: what is your native language? |
| 00:57.50 | ne7work | bulgarian |
| 00:57.50 | ne7work | ;d |
| 00:58.02 | ne7work | when i burn to cd debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:58.06 | ne7work | i go to install |
| 00:58.17 | ne7work | and how to configure pppoe to netinst |
| 00:58.17 | ne7work | ? |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:58.34 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 00:59.08 | ne7work | tell me how |
| 00:59.10 | ne7work | not give me link |
| 00:59.11 | ne7work | please |
| 00:59.11 | ne7work | ? |
| 00:59.30 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 00:59.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | i've never had PPPOE .. the installation guide covers pppoe .. go read it |
| 00:59.50 | Titan8990 | ne7work: and no, you do reading on your own and come back if you have problems |
| 01:00.52 | ne7work | is how to spur on the internet to my debian install 130 MB disk? |
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| 01:01.18 | ne7work | how to install debian without internet? |
| 01:01.29 | ne7work | when i can't to configure my pppoe settings |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:01.39 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:01.42 | ne7work | with this 130 mb cd of debian netinst |
| 01:01.58 | ne7work | where need to read ot these all on this link? |
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| 01:03.50 | nsadmin | ne7work: it should be easy and direct to start with, assuming you have the netinst written properly on the cd and your cd drive and computer's bios can boot CDs |
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| 01:04.57 | nsadmin | why without network? |
| 01:05.04 | ne7work | i need to download only debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso? |
| 01:05.14 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: don't get sucked in |
| 01:05.23 | ne7work | nsadmin, why.. how to conf pppoe connection |
| 01:05.25 | ne7work | ? |
| 01:05.27 | nsadmin | oh? details? |
| 01:05.28 | ne7work | without OS |
| 01:05.42 | ne7work | with this cd debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:05.43 | ne7work | 130mb? |
| 01:05.46 | Titan8990 | !ig |
| 01:05.46 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:06.12 | ne7work | Titan8990, and?! |
| 01:06.22 | nsadmin | oh, got it... "tell me how don't give me link" |
| 01:06.22 | Titan8990 | ne7work: and this time actually go there and read |
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| 01:06.34 | ne7work | omg.. |
| 01:06.36 | ne7work | why? |
| 01:06.45 | ne7work | read any shits |
| 01:06.46 | ne7work | ? |
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| 01:06.54 | ne7work | tell me how.. |
| 01:07.15 | ne7work | with 2 sentences |
| 01:07.30 | nsadmin | ne7work, boot cd. follow directions. |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | ne7work: if you're not going to read, why should we read for you? |
| 01:08.08 | peterrooney | ne7work: if you can't be bothered to actually read (and absorb) the actual instructions, why should I help you? |
| 01:08.16 | nsadmin | oh, and when you get to the part where the installer configures the network, "leave network unconfigured" |
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| 01:08.33 | ne7work | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:08.35 | ne7work | this cd? |
| 01:08.44 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 01:08.48 | peterrooney | ne7work: I like helping people who are having troubles, not helping people who are lazy. |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: please let him read |
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| 01:09.15 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:09.16 | baloo | What's with the Debian wiki tonight? |
| 01:09.23 | ne7work | I do not know English well |
| 01:09.25 | ne7work | i'm bulgarian |
| 01:09.27 | ne7work | .. |
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| 01:09.32 | ne7work | i'm not lazy |
| 01:09.36 | nsadmin | the debian wiki is with angelina jolie tonite... |
| 01:10.02 | ne7work | this iso or no? |
| 01:10.03 | ne7work | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:13.59 | abrotman | baloo: the system is down |
| 01:14.20 | baloo | Why would GRUB let me select an OS via USB keyboard, but LUKS won't take USB keyboard input at boot? |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | the initramfs is missing a module it needs ot make the keyboard work ? |
| 01:15.50 | baloo | abrotman, Interesting...why wouldn't a stock Debian kernel have that? |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | it was a guess .. |
| 01:16.16 | abrotman | did you try without LUKS ? |
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| 01:17.26 | baloo | Before and after the LUKS stage, USB input is fine. |
| 01:17.47 | aixenv | i have a partition that's gotten too big on the primary array, i have another ext3 array already configured, what is the proper steps to get this partition (/usr) moved over to the new partition? |
| 01:18.46 | aixenv | currently the only thing mounted is /; so i know i need to configure an /etc/fstab option for this new array, but what is the best way to copy the data since it'll be in use over to this new array? |
| 01:18.47 | Titan8990 | aixenv: rsync the files over to start |
| 01:18.52 | nsadmin | what's a luks |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | !luks |
| 01:18.58 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. For more information, see http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian'. To access on win32 platforms, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 01:19.10 | aixenv | Titan8990: will it matter if its mounted? |
| 01:19.28 | aixenv | or will i need to go into a live cd and unmount it |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | mount it read-only .. rsync the stuff over .. umount it .. change fstab .. mount new thingie |
| 01:19.48 | aixenv | k |
| 01:20.02 | Titan8990 | aixenv: well /usr is should only be read-only data anyways |
| 01:20.03 | nsadmin | so it has to do with volume encryption, and receiving the pw from the keyboard at boot |
| 01:20.19 | baloo | abrotman, So, suggestions on how to proceed? |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | baloo: i don't use LUKS .. it was just a guess .. does it work with a PS2 keyboard ? |
| 01:21.10 | baloo | Yes, but that's something of a dealbreaker. |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | how do you know usb works before the LUKS ? |
| 01:22.21 | baloo | Because I can use it for input in grub before luks |
| 01:22.46 | abrotman | not sure tha tcounts .. probably still BIOS at that point |
| 01:22.52 | Titan8990 | thats different than usb drivers in the kernel |
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| 01:29.12 | ivo_ | have somebody here already tested btrfs? |
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| 01:39.05 | sshc | I downloaded debian-live-504-i386-kde-desktop-net.tar.gz, but it doesn't contain any CD image so that I can boot from it (for one or two times) |
| 01:40.38 | nutron | so, I installed virtualbox-ose... I'm not sure where the binary is, dpkg -L doesn't give me anything useful, and it's no longer in the menu... |
| 01:40.41 | nutron | goes to check the bts |
| 01:40.55 | sshc | I'm not sure how else I can boot from whatever is in this tarball |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | sshc: that won't have an ISO .. |
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| 01:42.10 | sshc | abrotman: Can I boot with it? |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | it's not what you want |
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| 01:43.30 | sshc | abrotman: I see. I wondered what I just downloaded |
| 01:43.41 | sshc | abrotman: Do you know what I want? :) |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | the ISO |
| 01:45.16 | sshc | Where can I download a live cd with KDE? |
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| 01:46.32 | adb | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-504-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | sshc: you gave us the URL like an hour ago .. |
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| 01:47.36 | sshc | abrotman: The URL of the package I've downloaded ;) |
| 01:47.50 | xente | can someone tell me why kino isn't enabled in the gnome menu by default? |
| 01:47.54 | sshc | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 01:48.07 | sshc | Rather, adb: Thanks! |
| 01:48.17 | adb | yw |
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| 01:50.06 | xente | is there some debian policy that prohibits it being enabled by default? |
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| 02:09.09 | xente | anyone know? |
| 02:09.22 | kunix | does anyone know anything about live-helper? |
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| 02:09.34 | abrotman_ | xente: did you check the BTS ? |
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| 02:09.56 | xente | abrotman, BTS? |
| 02:11.50 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 02:11.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 02:13.32 | xente | thanks! |
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| 02:18.35 | fas3r | i have a ftp at home and i want backup a dedicated server ... i know i can do the backup (an iso ) with dd. but can i restore the dedicated server with the iso is it crash ? |
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| 02:38.33 | Sarago | if I enabled backport in sources.list and installed a backport, can I take that out of sources.list now? |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | depends if you want updates for that package or not |
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| 02:39.19 | Sarago | it was the flashplayer |
| 02:39.30 | Sarago | the updates aren't very often |
| 02:40.20 | dbbolton | my radeon card is connected to a TV. video works fine with the framebuffer. when i start X, X appears to be running fine, but the screen is just black |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | i'd probably leave it .. if they update flash, you'll likely want it |
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| 02:40.35 | dbbolton | i'm using X and the radeon driver from squeeze |
| 02:40.39 | insertgirl | hi |
| 02:40.45 | insertgirl | im new here |
| 02:40.57 | Sarago | if that's the only backport package i installed, it's not really a security risk then |
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| 02:41.46 | abrotman | Sarago: i meant that you'd want the update if they update that package |
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| 02:43.22 | sanxiyn | Hi, I am looking for a history tidbit. Does anyone remember flame war(?) between GCC and kernel developers regarding optimization? |
| 02:43.49 | sanxiyn | (I know there were many, but one I have in mind involved reordering instructions -- sorry if this is too vague) |
| 02:43.55 | dbbolton | sanxiyn: that could apply to any gentoo mailing list |
| 02:44.31 | sanxiyn | dbbolton: ? |
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| 02:45.13 | sanxiyn | http://lwn.net/Articles/342330/ (one I did find, but not one I want) describes optimizing out null check |
| 02:45.13 | Sarago | abrotman: I've heard that enabling and installing backports makes your system not secure, so I was wondering if I was at risk by installing this one package |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman_ | sanxiyn: ##kernel perhaps ? |
| 02:45.57 | sanxiyn | ok |
| 02:45.59 | abrotman_ | Sarago: heard that where? |
| 02:46.31 | Sarago | abrotman_; i'm trying to find that again |
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| 02:47.09 | Sarago | anyone know what's up with wiki.debian.org |
| 02:47.44 | adb | is down |
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| 02:55.25 | Sarago | abrotman_: http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html |
| 02:55.30 | sanxiyn | I think http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Compiler_Misoptimizations was it. |
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| 02:56.05 | Sarago | abrotman_: this site talks about your system being considered not stable |
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| 02:57.56 | karlpinc | Sarago: Backports are still semi-offical so by definition are not supported as well as the rest of debian. You want real security, use OpenBSD without any ports installed. |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | Sarago: moment |
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| 02:58.55 | Avash | is this the place for asking about debxo? |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | Sarago: that document isn't for backports.org |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | Avash: what is debxo ? |
| 02:59.08 | karlpinc | Avash: Whats' debxo? |
| 02:59.19 | Avash | oh... debxo is debian for xo |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | Sarago: and the author of that is kind of a nut :) |
| 02:59.21 | Avash | olpc xo |
| 02:59.27 | Avash | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/DebXO |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | Avash: uh .. probably not |
| 03:00.19 | karlpinc | Avash: If it uses the standard debian repositories then yes, otherwise no. If it's got it's own distro name it's probably not debian. |
| 03:00.19 | Sarago | abrotman: so enabling backports.org and installing just the one package isn't really a big deal then |
| 03:00.42 | Avash | it uses standard debian repo. |
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| 03:01.46 | karlpinc | Sarago: If you've real concerns you could ask about the package on the debian mailing list to see what the support history is like, or mail the maintainer. I find backports acceptable. |
| 03:01.48 | Avash | anyways.. it is debian.. and used debian packages.. i need to ask about xbindkey and some gnome panel applets |
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| 03:02.52 | karlpinc | Avash: Lots of disto's use debian's packaging, the question is what does /etc/apt/sources.list look like. If it points to archives at domains ending in debian.org we can help. |
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| 03:05.14 | insertgirl | hi |
| 03:05.49 | insertgirl | any guys here |
| 03:06.18 | PinkFreud | nope, we're all wimmin. |
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| 03:08.13 | Gokee2 | I got the upgrade to icedove 3.0.4 in squeeze and now my mail no longer works. I can't seem to get it to connect to any imap servers. I can't even show folders on subscribed servers. I tried a new profile and that did not help. Anyone else having problems? |
| 03:12.04 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 03:12.04 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 03:14.35 | peterrooney | PinkFreud: speak for yourself. I could be a Turing test candidate. |
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| 03:15.23 | PinkFreud | peterrooney: not a particularly intelligent one at that. |
| 03:15.26 | PinkFreud | runs like hell! |
| 03:15.37 | PinkFreud | grins at peterrooney from a safe distance |
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| 03:21.02 | peterrooney | PinkFreud: well, what do you expect with only 500 lines of Perl and a half gigabyte hard drive? |
| 03:21.35 | Sarago | does a server install of debian still come with X? |
| 03:21.57 | Sarago | I picked desktop and it came with all these games and things |
| 03:24.59 | macrobat | there is the possibility of not picking a task. install a minimal debian and then pick pkg by pkg |
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| 03:26.42 | Bop | yes macrobat |
| 03:26.46 | Bop | network install |
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| 03:29.17 | Roasted | hey guys - I'm trying to install guest additions on debian. I've done it in ubuntu but I think the way I do it in ubuntu isnt right for debian. It has a .sh script that I need to run. How would I run this in debian? I'm logged in as root typing ./vboxinstaller.sh in terminal within the directory its in. Is that right? |
| 03:30.09 | Roasted | well it looks like we're off to a great start. debian just gave me a kernel failure. |
| 03:30.43 | peterrooney | realizes he's let the cat out of the bag |
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| 03:37.38 | Roasted | yeah I cant launch any programs etiher. |
| 03:37.47 | Roasted | well this is a good start to debian. gonna reinstall 5 mins after I get done installing. sigh. |
| 03:38.05 | hideo | that's windows mentality |
| 03:38.22 | hideo | oh noes, it doesn't work, let's reinstall |
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| 03:38.29 | Roasted | I keep getting kernel crashes |
| 03:38.32 | Roasted | and no applications open |
| 03:38.35 | Roasted | what should I do? |
| 03:39.03 | hideo | for one, you haven't really provided any concrete information that anyone here can go on |
| 03:39.15 | Roasted | what do you need to know? |
| 03:39.33 | hideo | anything, logs? error messages? |
| 03:39.39 | hideo | anything relevant? |
| 03:39.44 | Roasted | yes. I get error messages when I boot up. it's booting up now, 1 second. |
| 03:39.54 | Roasted | I have it running virtually. we're testing it at work to deploy debian on 2 of our servers. |
| 03:40.06 | Bop | Roasted, install other kernel |
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| 03:40.18 | hideo | hardware types? what version of debian? what architecture? did you use the right architecture? |
| 03:40.19 | Roasted | it's a summer project so I want to get acquianted with it, which should be easy since Ive used ubuntu, fedora, and several others for a few years now. |
| 03:40.28 | Roasted | I got 32 bit since Im running it virtually |
| 03:40.33 | Roasted | debian stable |
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| 03:41.22 | Roasted | I installed the same thing virtually on my laptop earlier and it was fine. That was just temporary though since I want to test it on my desktop where I have more screen space. |
| 03:42.04 | Roasted | okay, just booted up. Error lower right - Your system had a kernel failure. Do you want to submit this to kerneloops.org for use by the linux kernel devs? I check "Always" |
| 03:42.19 | Roasted | another error - kernel bug diagnostic information. but it disappears real quick then. |
| 03:42.42 | Roasted | and epiphany errors out when I open it... |
| 03:42.58 | adb | troll ? |
| 03:43.07 | Roasted | who? |
| 03:43.08 | Roasted | me? |
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| 03:43.39 | Roasted | is it common practice in the debian chat to assume a user asking for help is a troll? |
| 03:43.41 | hideo | try a diff kernel? |
| 03:44.06 | adb | epiphany errors out when I open it... so kernel is ok >> |
| 03:44.14 | Roasted | k. rebooting now. |
| 03:44.30 | Bop | what vm are u on , Roasted ? |
| 03:44.36 | Roasted | virtualbox |
| 03:44.46 | Roasted | I only have 1 kernel option.... 2.6.26.-2-686 |
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| 03:44.57 | Bop | yeah ,that's the default |
| 03:45.11 | Roasted | were you saying download a newer kernel? |
| 03:45.17 | Bop | if u can boot , add debian backports , and ull have 2.6.30 adn 2.6.32 |
| 03:45.19 | Roasted | I assumed it was meant I should try an older one, assuming one was int he list |
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| 03:45.29 | Roasted | yeah I can boot - Ill try to add that |
| 03:45.33 | Roasted | is that in software sources, bop? |
| 03:45.40 | Bop | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:45.45 | hideo | !tell Roasted about backport |
| 03:45.51 | Roasted | Bop, can it be done in software sources? |
| 03:46.03 | Bop | u mean , in the cd ? |
| 03:46.23 | Roasted | meaning, can I check "backports" in software sources to enable them? |
| 03:46.27 | Roasted | or do I have to use sources.list? |
| 03:46.31 | Bop | dont u have internet access in that vm guest ? |
| 03:46.38 | Roasted | yeah - I do. |
| 03:46.44 | Bop | u have to add it to sources.list |
| 03:47.09 | hideo | gosh I must be out of touch, I've no idea about any of these GUI options |
| 03:47.30 | Roasted | hideo, well I've used so many different versions of linux... I lose my mind when I try another one out when trying to find my way around. |
| 03:47.40 | Bop | Roasted, so , no software source, just the config file for apt-get |
| 03:47.47 | hideo | last time I installed debian was 2006 |
| 03:47.58 | Roasted | hideo, really? whats your distro of choice then? |
| 03:48.04 | hideo | it's working still, and it is sid |
| 03:48.04 | Roasted | Bop, sounds good. I just wanted to make sure. |
| 03:48.13 | Roasted | haha ahh, I gotcha. |
| 03:48.19 | hideo | Roasted: Debian =) |
| 03:48.24 | Bop | Roasted, i had more than 1 week to put my lenny ok |
| 03:48.28 | Bop | now its ok |
| 03:48.32 | Bop | stable |
| 03:49.00 | Roasted | I havent used debian in quite a few years now... but we have 2 servers at work that might get tossed to debian so I wanted to test it out and get more acquianted so when we set them up its not a massive confusion |
| 03:49.14 | Bop | sure |
| 03:50.19 | Roasted | I just wonder why it backfired on my desktop but not laptop. does hardware in virtual environments play that much of a key role as it does with natively installed hardware? |
| 03:50.33 | hideo | any relevant errors in /var/log/dmesg , /var/log/syslog , etc.. ? |
| 03:50.39 | Roasted | hideo, let me check |
| 03:51.24 | hideo | I haven't used vbox, but it works fine with kvm |
| 03:51.25 | Roasted | nothing stands out to me in dmesg... |
| 03:52.17 | Roasted | same with syslog. At least, nothing comes to my attention. |
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| 03:54.57 | Avasz | what is initramfs? |
| 03:55.21 | hideo | !initramfs |
| 03:55.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
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| 03:56.26 | Bop | hideo, wiki.debian link not working :p |
| 03:56.55 | hideo | hmm I can't do anything about it :( |
| 03:57.14 | Bop | well |
| 03:57.23 | Avasz | yea |
| 03:57.31 | Bop | initramfs , i think it is init ram Filesystem |
| 03:57.40 | Avasz | so.. it stops the boot |
| 03:57.41 | hideo | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Initramfs |
| 03:57.45 | Bop | its a block of ram used as a filesystem |
| 03:57.54 | pickcoder | looks like wiki is down |
| 03:57.59 | Avasz | forums.debian is also not working |
| 03:58.06 | Bop | and the kernel modules are bziped to there , and loaded |
| 03:58.12 | Bop | unbziped |
| 03:58.14 | Avasz | so why does it stop boot? |
| 03:58.20 | Bop | what's the error |
| 03:58.36 | hideo | yeah, we're not crystal ball readers |
| 03:59.05 | Avasz | no int found try passing bootarg |
| 03:59.15 | Bop | u did not create initramfs |
| 03:59.29 | Bop | is it stock kernel , or instalation ? |
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| 03:59.36 | Avasz | how do i create it and where do i create it? |
| 03:59.37 | near | hi |
| 03:59.42 | near | has anyone installed truecrypt in lenny? |
| 03:59.53 | Bop | no int or no init found ? |
| 04:00.09 | Avasz | init. sorry my mistake |
| 04:00.16 | Bop | is it stock kernel , or instalation ? |
| 04:00.24 | Avasz | what does it mean? |
| 04:00.43 | pickcoder | Avasz : is a debian kernel package.. or did you compile your own kernel |
| 04:00.47 | pickcoder | ~is it |
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| 04:01.14 | Avasz | it must be a compiled one. |
| 04:01.26 | Bop | so , u compiled , and u dont even know |
| 04:01.29 | Bop | nice -.- |
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| 04:02.01 | Bop | first things first |
| 04:02.11 | Bop | what debian did u install |
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| 04:02.47 | Avasz | i downloaded from here. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/DebXO |
| 04:03.33 | Bop | well ... that's not debian |
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| 04:04.20 | adb | !sunday |
| 04:04.20 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:04.31 | Bop | :) |
| 04:04.37 | Avasz | DebXO is a set of OS images of the Debian Linux distribution isnt it? |
| 04:05.02 | Bop | debian is debian and nothin more |
| 04:05.26 | adb | Avasz, /msg dpkg debian based |
| 04:05.36 | Bop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.24 | near | hi |
| 04:24.39 | near | anyone knows where i can get the graphics drivers for my asus p5ql-em ? |
| 04:27.12 | wols | near: what graphics card/chip is it? |
| 04:27.50 | wols | if it's a i3/i5, you'll need squeeze I guess: your chip wasn't available when lenny was made |
| 04:28.13 | Vasistha | squeeze is coming....... |
| 04:28.27 | Vasistha | I'm half looking forward to and half dreading the conversion to kde 4 |
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| 04:28.44 | wols | hmm. your mobi is a G43 based one. lenny should work fine |
| 04:28.52 | wols | *mobo |
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| 04:45.59 | highpwr | configure: WARNING: Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline. |
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| 04:52.41 | wols | a warning? |
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| 05:30.20 | solifugus | arf.. |
| 05:30.50 | mordocai | Anyone have any suggestions on the "best" linux dvd ripper/encoder? I've seen plenty of suggestions... but not any real reasons behind it. Also, best format to encode into? |
| 05:30.53 | solifugus | How can I make apache serve files under webroot, not just in webroot ? |
| 05:31.39 | wols | solifugus: it does this by default. whats the permissions of the files/directories it doesn't serve? |
| 05:31.49 | wols | !best |
| 05:31.49 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:32.17 | mordocai | wols: Yeah, that's why best was in "" :P. How about: Best for ease of use and quality. |
| 05:32.44 | james-a-wagner3 | :mordocai I found handbrake to be basically idiot-proof. |
| 05:33.36 | james-a-wagner3 | It's a pretty nice program. |
| 05:33.43 | mordocai | james-a-wagner3, Hmm... looks interesting. I hadn't seen it before |
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| 05:34.06 | solifugus | wols: what do the permissions need to be? Does it need to be owned by a certain user maybe? |
| 05:34.08 | Vasistha | solifugus: when you say "under" you mean in subdirectories of webroot? |
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| 05:34.35 | smacnay | Are there any packages that improve the success of mounting cdroms? I have a disc that was burnt by a friend on his Win machine and I get errors when it tries to mount. |
| 05:35.08 | solifugus | Vasistha: yes.. |
| 05:35.11 | Vasistha | smacnay: do you know what the contents are? The answer is probably not |
| 05:35.35 | wols | solifugus: it needs to be possible for the user www-data to be read. doesn't matter who owns the files |
| 05:35.48 | smacnay | Vasistha, the contents are 2 or 3 data files (probably some wma format) of my band playing live. |
| 05:36.14 | solifugus | wols: so if www-data can read, it'll serve.. no other concerns or setting somewhere somehow? |
| 05:36.18 | wols | smacnay: put it in and do a diskimage with dd or ddrescue on the device |
| 05:36.31 | smacnay | wols, thanks - I will try that |
| 05:36.37 | solifugus | wols: I mean, starting from default debian install... |
| 05:36.37 | wols | solifugus: by default, yes. it www-data can't read, you get a 504 |
| 05:36.40 | wols | erm a 403 |
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| 05:38.20 | solifugus | wols: thanks |
| 05:38.50 | wols | solifugus: ideally, files under /var/www are world readable and owned by another user |
| 05:38.55 | wols | especially directories |
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| 05:53.49 | solifugus | clear |
| 05:54.10 | solifugus | (sorry... thought i was on the shell) |
| 05:57.37 | james-a-wagner3 | At least you didn't think you were using sudo/su. :) |
| 05:57.47 | mordocai | solifungus: Happens all the time. Once i typed my root password into IRC... had to rush and change it... though unlikely they would try to use it against me :P |
| 05:58.01 | mordocai | james-a-wagner3, Heh, thinking along the same lines |
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| 06:07.19 | smacnay | wols, well, ddrecover worked - I mounted the resulting file and got the three wma files. Thanks for that tip. |
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| 06:23.38 | factor | I am having problems playing DVD's |
| 06:23.51 | factor | I have the correct device name |
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| 06:24.13 | factor | but kaffeine hangs when I try to play it |
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| 06:24.37 | streuner_ | what error? |
| 06:24.43 | factor | just hangs |
| 06:25.17 | streuner_ | try a different DVD |
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| 06:25.40 | factor | I did |
| 06:26.05 | factor | now kaffeinie is hung |
| 06:26.09 | collabra | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/#debian <----- i dont know if this will help,... just pulled it off the net,... assuming debian |
| 06:26.11 | factor | kill -9 wont do it |
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| 06:29.06 | factor | need to reboot |
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| 06:37.17 | neoice | anyone here running Lenny and Squeeze mixed? |
| 06:38.07 | neoice | there's a package I want to pull in from Squeeze that needs libc2.10, which is also in Squeeze |
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| 06:50.46 | mordocai | So, i found this issue http://us.generation-nt.com/my-keyboard-isnt-recognize-by-last-daily-build-amd64-help-169866371.html which happens to be what i'm experiencing. I'm also using the testing build of amd64 debian. Using a logitech wave, i am able to choose install at the DVD's boot menu, but it stops operating after that. Luckily, i have and extra keyboard and am completing the install with it. Rather inconvenient though... |
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| 06:52.43 | joeyjones | any idea how i can get out of "-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory"?? |
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| 06:53.33 | mordocai | joeyjones, ctrl+c? |
| 06:54.06 | joeyjones | mordocai: that's jsut the message i get for every command i enter... |
| 06:54.47 | Vasistha | neoice: if you pull in libc from squeeze then you will no longer be running lenny. |
| 06:54.51 | joeyjones | and only root can login through ssh |
| 06:55.20 | neoice | Vasistha: so I pretty much need to update the whole system |
| 06:55.53 | Vasistha | neoice: well, there are usually better ways, e.g. backports or simple sid backports |
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| 06:56.09 | \amethyst | joeyjones: does ulimit -v -d -m as the user show any of those being limited? (it's a shell builtin, so you can run it without forking) |
| 06:56.13 | rumpsy | hey Vasistha |
| 06:56.16 | neoice | backports doesnt have several of the things I'm looking for |
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| 06:56.38 | factor | it was a hard ware conflict. |
| 06:56.53 | factor | went into bios and unborked it |
| 06:57.03 | joeyjones | \amethyst: all unlimited... |
| 06:57.14 | \amethyst | joeyjones: can you run 'free' as root? |
| 06:57.21 | joeyjones | nope |
| 06:57.24 | joeyjones | fork |
| 06:57.30 | \amethyst | joeyjones: oh, even root can't fork, I see |
| 06:57.38 | joeyjones | \amethyst: only root can get a shell |
| 06:57.44 | Vasistha | rumpsy: hi. been a long time. what are you doing in here? Running debian? |
| 06:57.48 | \amethyst | joeyjones: is the shell bash? |
| 06:57.51 | joeyjones | normal user gets a weird error when i try to ssh in |
| 06:57.52 | joeyjones | yes |
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| 06:58.15 | rumpsy | Vasistha: i'm running both |
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| 06:58.38 | joeyjones | \amethyst: do you know if shutdown would be a forking command? |
| 06:58.39 | Vasistha | rumpsy: pm? |
| 06:58.42 | \amethyst | joeyjones: can you run while read line; do echo "$line"; done < /proc/meminfo |
| 06:59.00 | joeyjones | i can/did |
| 06:59.02 | rumpsy | Vasistha: i like your nick , its like indian traditional name |
| 06:59.18 | ic56 | joeyjones: yes, shutdown is an external command. You must be able to fork to invoke it. |
| 06:59.19 | \amethyst | joeyjones: a clean shutdown, no. You can reboot by echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 06:59.45 | joeyjones | weirds |
| 06:59.48 | joeyjones | *weird |
| 06:59.53 | joeyjones | memfree: 136kb |
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| 07:00.01 | \amethyst | joeyjones: and cached? |
| 07:00.07 | joeyjones | 0kb |
| 07:00.20 | \amethyst | joeyjones: well, that explains your problem anyway |
| 07:00.49 | joeyjones | \amethyst: http://linux-coders.pastebin.com/QW3zqfyq |
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| 07:01.15 | \amethyst | joeyjones: you can start killing processes... or use some while/read loops on /proc/*/status to find big processes, and then kill the biggest |
| 07:01.21 | \amethyst | joeyjones: kill is also a shell builtin |
| 07:02.12 | mordocai | So, is there a guide somewhere like "common fedora commands and their debian equivalents"? |
| 07:03.06 | joeyjones | \amethyst: so should i try each numbered entry in /proc/?? |
| 07:04.01 | \amethyst | joeyjones: unless you're willing to just sync the disks and reboot |
| 07:04.43 | joeyjones | \amethyst: i am, but i'd like to know why this happened first |
| 07:04.55 | \amethyst | joeyjones: yeah, then try it on each numbered entry |
| 07:04.59 | joeyjones | i'm concerned that it could happen again, but beofre ssh has started |
| 07:05.01 | \amethyst | joeyjones: you can probably do it with a while loop |
| 07:05.07 | \amethyst | joeyjones: err, a for loop rather |
| 07:05.27 | \amethyst | joeyjones: though it might be safer for those last 128K to do it one at a time :) |
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| 07:05.38 | joeyjones | heh |
| 07:05.51 | joeyjones | \amethyst: so, any thoughts as to why this could have happened? |
| 07:06.27 | \amethyst | joeyjones: some process had a memory leak? or you have more connections/web users/whatever than your system can handle |
| 07:06.49 | joeyjones | system load at last check was 0.00 |
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| 07:07.09 | \amethyst | joeyjones: then probably a memory leak, or hung processes |
| 07:07.25 | joeyjones | it's been borked since 10am it seems |
| 07:07.33 | joeyjones | at which time sys load was 0.00 |
| 07:07.33 | \amethyst | joeyjones: with such a small amount of RAM, I'd usually have at least some swap |
| 07:07.44 | \amethyst | joeyjones: though if this is a vm having swap might not make sense |
| 07:07.46 | joeyjones | \amethyst: not much choice, remote vps |
| 07:07.48 | mikey32 | hi, is there an easy way to boot a minimal debian image across a network? |
| 07:07.58 | ic56 | joeyjones: does that system have users that can write and run their own software? |
| 07:08.23 | joeyjones | ic56: it's a vps, so i have root access for my virtual machine |
| 07:08.23 | \amethyst | joeyjones: aha, then depending on how it's virtualized you might not be able to use sysrq-trigger anyway :( |
| 07:08.56 | ic56 | joeyjones: are there users aside from you within the vps? |
| 07:09.04 | joeyjones | not really |
| 07:09.19 | joeyjones | the couple people i gave acces snever use it and were restricted |
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| 07:09.47 | ic56 | joeyjones: alright, that eliminates the theory of while (1) fork() |
| 07:09.47 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.50 | \amethyst | ic56: I'd expect him to see high load if that were the problem, since there would be many syscalls a second (failing syscalls, but still enough to kick it about 0.0) |
| 07:11.10 | \amethyst | s/about/above/ |
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| 07:11.45 | joeyjones | \amethyst: that was jsut checked on a cronjob so it could have poeaked quickly after |
| 07:11.46 | ic56 | amethyst: to the contrary: load would go to zero once memory was full and fork could no longer proceed. Depends on how the loop was written, of course. |
| 07:12.06 | \amethyst | joeyjones: cat /proc/uptime for the load |
| 07:12.20 | joeyjones | \amethyst: cat forks |
| 07:12.28 | joeyjones | and it's working now |
| 07:12.36 | joeyjones | wanna guess what process it was? |
| 07:12.54 | \amethyst | joeyjones: while you're investigating this, you might find useful the function cat() { while read -r line; do echo "$line"; done < "$1"; } or so |
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| 07:13.16 | \amethyst | joeyjones: hm... a cron job? |
| 07:13.22 | \amethyst | joeyjones: I mean, that's my guess |
| 07:13.31 | joeyjones | mysql mainly |
| 07:13.34 | \amethyst | ahhh |
| 07:13.44 | joeyjones | but i think something funky is going on |
| 07:13.46 | \amethyst | limit the cache in the config |
| 07:13.52 | \amethyst | (more than you already are) |
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| 07:14.12 | \amethyst | sorry, I seem to be using newline as punctuation. Apologies, everyone. |
| 07:14.48 | joeyjones | i think i need to reboot apache |
| 07:15.06 | joeyjones | i suspect my imagemagick beiung called by php in apache is causing issues |
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| 07:15.45 | joeyjones | i ahve 3 other lines like this... |
| 07:15.48 | joeyjones | "www-data 9532 0.0 8.0 48020 42456 ? S Apr22 0:00 /usr/bin/convert -geometry 1.54% -quality 60 -sharpen 0.6x0.6 ./Arizona/az trip 004.JPG ./qdig-files/converted-images/Arizona/thm30_az trip 004.JPG" |
| 07:16.10 | joeyjones | so does htta mean it's been running for over 1 day now... |
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| 07:17.32 | \amethyst | joeyjones: yes, which is kind of weird |
| 07:17.35 | joeyjones | wow |
| 07:17.44 | joeyjones | i jsut read my apache logs for the first time in months |
| 07:18.08 | joeyjones | and apparently a collection on C++ ebooks i dled is on ther ebing dled like crazy |
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| 07:20.28 | \amethyst | joeyjones: haha |
| 07:20.47 | \amethyst | joeyjones: that's why I put a .htpasswd on shit like that :) |
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| 07:20.59 | joeyjones | i had forgotten all about it... |
| 07:21.35 | joeyjones | \amethyst: thank gor for unmetered servers, eh? |
| 07:21.49 | joeyjones | *god |
| 07:22.13 | \amethyst | joeyjones: :) |
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| 07:22.31 | \amethyst | 0 = success |
| 07:22.32 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 07:25.13 | joeyjones | and now it's all in my home dir :p |
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| 07:26.33 | joeyjones | \amethyst: lol, imagemagick is still running |
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| 07:28.45 | Arrowmaster | wish i had an unmetered server |
| 07:29.28 | joeyjones | Arrowmaster: 15euro/month |
| 07:29.38 | Arrowmaster | ovh? |
| 07:30.14 | joeyjones | http://valueserver.de/ |
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| 07:30.45 | joeyjones | or http://www.memset.com/dedicated-servers/virtual.php |
| 07:31.44 | uwjesd | I am using lenny and I have a executable giving me the error libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file : No such file or directory. But I have the file in /usr/lib and also in ./ with chmod +x. What can be wrong. |
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| 07:32.21 | joeyjones | Arrowmaster: but memset seems to screw you in the long run even though they are cheaper |
| 07:32.29 | joeyjones | 10mb/s for 40 servers :p |
| 07:32.45 | joeyjones | so you potentially only have 0.25mb/s |
| 07:33.24 | Arrowmaster | uwjesd: use ldd to find out where the executable is looking at for the library |
| 07:34.00 | mordocai | wow... compared to fedora/ubuntu debian is FAST |
| 07:34.49 | uwjesd | Arrowmaster: It is looking in usr/lib32 not usr/lib. That appears to be the problem. |
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| 07:40.45 | uwjesd | Arrowmaster: Is there any way I can fix this? |
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| 07:40.57 | joeyjones | \amethyst: weird, i found 2 other causes of the issue |
| 07:41.04 | joeyjones | i wonder if there's an underlying cause... |
| 07:41.08 | Arrowmaster | probably, i wouldnt know how though |
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| 07:44.45 | oOarthurOo | test |
| 07:44.45 | vchrizz | retest |
| 07:44.51 | oOarthurOo | thanks |
| 07:45.07 | oOarthurOo | what's going on with the debian servers... are they under attack? |
| 07:45.34 | mordocai | oOarthurOo, Oh, so it's not just me having problems? |
| 07:45.42 | mordocai | I figured it was my connection or something... |
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| 07:45.45 | oOarthurOo | I can't access debian documents, debian forums, debian planet |
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| 07:46.17 | mordocai | Throw me a few URLs and i'll double check it's for me too |
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| 07:46.49 | oOarthurOo | mordocai: THere is a cool wesbite which provides this service http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 07:47.25 | oOarthurOo | bookmark it |
| 07:48.00 | mordocai | Yeah, that is very cool |
| 07:50.07 | joeyjones | \amethyst: and the underlying issue is found :p |
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| 07:50.56 | \amethyst | joeyjones: oh? |
| 07:51.34 | uwjesd | Downloading them and putting them there manually seems to work. |
| 07:51.55 | uwjesd | I wonder why though debian does not have a 32compat package. |
| 07:52.15 | joeyjones | \amethyst: a broken php script launched ~60 imagemagick convert processes on each page load. it then went and pwned mysql too |
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| 07:54.12 | \amethyst | joeyjones: haha... do you think maybe it's reasonable to ulimit the web server user? |
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| 07:54.26 | \amethyst | joeyjones: probably by number of processes |
| 07:54.26 | joeyjones | maybe |
| 07:54.31 | joeyjones | and how do i do that? |
| 07:54.55 | \amethyst | joeyjones: in the web server's init.d script, ulimit -u <number> |
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| 07:56.33 | \amethyst | joeyjones: in the start action probably, so it doesn't prevent 'stop' from work |
| 07:56.36 | \amethyst | ing |
| 07:57.25 | joeyjones | \amethyst: any idea what a good number would be? |
| 07:57.33 | joeyjones | apache2, btw |
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| 07:58.01 | \amethyst | joeyjones: depends on how many concurrent connects you expect, and what kinds of CGIs you're running |
| 07:58.21 | \amethyst | joeyjones: how many did you have? |
| 07:58.24 | joeyjones | so whoudl i be specifying the memory limit in kb or b? |
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| 07:58.52 | joeyjones | i'd run man, but i'm alreayd in vim on the line :p |
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| 08:09.54 | joeyjones | \amethyst: nvm, i used ulimit -m 200000 |
| 08:11.02 | \amethyst | joeyjone-: that's per-process |
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| 08:12.04 | \amethyst | joeyjones: and actually -m doesn't do anything in Linux anyway |
| 08:12.21 | joeyjones | \amethyst: i only saw your last comment |
| 08:12.29 | joeyjones | ie "\amethyst> joeyjones: and actually -m doesn't do anything in Linux anyway" |
| 08:12.38 | joeyjones | i was having nickserv issues :p |
| 08:12.52 | \amethyst | joeyjones: my first comment was that it's per-process |
| 08:13.00 | joeyjones | heh |
| 08:13.16 | \amethyst | joeyjones: man setrlimit and search for "RLIMIT_RSS" (which is what -m sets); it hasn't done anything since 2.4.30, and even then it only affected MADV_WILLNEED reservations |
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| 08:13.47 | joeyjones | -u seems to limit the number of processes, not the right best thing to do for a daemon |
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| 08:14.28 | \amethyst | joeyjones: yeah... but it's the only one that's per-user |
| 08:14.34 | \amethyst | joeyjones: everything else is per-process |
| 08:14.38 | joeyjones | damn |
| 08:14.48 | joeyjones | i was hoping to limit mem/user |
| 08:15.10 | \amethyst | can you pick the kernel in your vps? |
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| 08:16.43 | \amethyst | you could possibly use another level of virtualization that limits the RAM, though that would depend heavily on what kind of virtualization you're in |
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| 08:17.46 | \amethyst | s/that limits the RAM/and limit the memory allocation of the VM/ |
| 08:18.23 | joeyjones | \amethyst: i'd rather not get into kernel changes w/ a vps :p |
| 08:18.52 | joeyjones | dsitro:/etc/init.d$ uname -a |
| 08:18.52 | joeyjones | Linux dsitro.jjhosting.org 2.6.18-164.10.1.el5.028stab067.4 #1 SMP Thu Jan 14 21:23:12 MSK 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:18.57 | joeyjones | not too bad |
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| 08:21.12 | joeyjones | \amethyst: scary, and apt-get update/upgrade gives me 53 upgrades |
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| 08:23.50 | \amethyst | joeyjones: I'm sure there's an apache module out there for rate limiting... you could research that |
| 08:24.06 | joeyjones | probably some setting somewhere in their massive docs |
| 08:24.31 | joeyjones | suspects the apache docs have more lines than lines of code in windows |
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| 08:28.51 | pallgone | joeyjones: then again... windows being so slow... it must have a lot of lines |
| 08:29.27 | joeyjones | pallgone: that was the poinjt... |
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| 08:32.18 | pallgone | joeyjones: I wonder how many days it takes to compile windows |
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| 08:33.47 | joeyjones | pallgone: ever wonder why they always push back the release date? |
| 08:33.54 | joeyjones | compile errors :p |
| 08:35.22 | pallgone | joeyjones: and sheer chaos in trying to solve them :) |
| 08:36.05 | joeyjones | is currently plannign his attack as the attacker in the hands-on portion of his computer security class |
| 08:37.12 | joeyjones | *planning |
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| 09:24.33 | gemis | if im running ssh on my server should there be more than one sshd daemon running? |
| 09:25.27 | pallgone | heroxbd: how about 'ssh <host> bash -l -c ls' |
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| 09:27.36 | \amethyst | gemis: one for the listener and one or two for each connection |
| 09:28.03 | \amethyst | depending on whether privilege separation is on |
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| 09:29.38 | \amethyst | including not just logged-in users, but users of X, or port-forwarding, or ssh tunnels, and of scp/sshfs and the like |
| 09:29.54 | CNerone | hi all, I'm not able to have debianlogo/penguin shown at kernel boot start. What about? |
| 09:30.19 | cahoot | no framebuffer enabled? |
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| 09:31.06 | CNerone | cahoot, in kernell fb is enabled |
| 09:32.01 | CNerone | cahoot, CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT=y |
| 09:32.29 | CNerone | CONFIG_FB=y |
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| 09:34.14 | khaleel5000 | sorry i its a dumb question but i cant recall in synaptic , witha what name is linux's kernel mentioned / whats the keyword to find linux kernel in synaptic |
| 09:34.21 | khaleel5000 | its like a brain fart for me |
| 09:34.51 | cahoot | linux-image |
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| 09:39.16 | CNerone | cahoot, what you mean as "linux-image"? |
| 09:39.52 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: thanks |
| 09:40.06 | wols | CNerone: he means the package name in debian for the linux kernel |
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| 09:40.39 | gemis | suddenly, when i installed and started fail2ban the sshd(s) didn't took that much cpu anymore :D |
| 09:41.04 | SYN4PS3 | is it possible to make a mail server on my system and start spamming without static ip? |
| 09:41.09 | cahoot | CNerone: sorry - fb was the only idea I had, I never use the stuff |
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| 09:43.43 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 09:43.49 | Nebukadneza | i've got a debian-specific exim question... |
| 09:43.58 | CNerone | wols, ok, I know "kernel-image" is deb packages for linux kernel |
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| 09:44.09 | CNerone | wols, I compiled kernel in my own |
| 09:44.14 | Nebukadneza | i'm using the debian exim config with slight modifications to my exim4.conf.template - i've added a section like this: http://nopaste.info/c4e292a2a9.html that allows me to read "virtual" users from the file given. now ... i've thought its nice that user can use theirusername+somesuffix@mydoma.in, so i've added that local_part_suffix stuff there ... now it seems like those +something messages get delivered for a |
| 09:44.33 | CNerone | I was looking for kernel load parameters... |
| 09:44.36 | CNerone | btw |
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| 09:44.42 | CNerone | thanks to you all |
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| 09:53.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | are there any html5 capable browsers for lenny in the backports repo? The FF version from the backports repo doesn't seem to support html5 |
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| 09:54.06 | vsmatck | KaffeeJunky123: I'd look in to google-chrome. http://www.google.com/chrome |
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| 09:54.18 | vsmatck | When you install the deb it adds an apt source which keeps it up to date. |
| 09:54.27 | vsmatck | I've been using it for a few months and have been happy. :) |
| 09:54.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | can I get it without the google calling home features? |
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| 09:55.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | or is it possible to controll data collected through the google dashboard? |
| 09:55.25 | vsmatck | I haven't heard of those features. Hmm. |
| 09:56.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | vsmatck: ever read http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html ? |
| 09:56.24 | vsmatck | negative |
| 09:56.26 | vsmatck | reads |
| 09:56.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type are sent to Google |
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| 09:57.42 | wols | ,versions firefox |
| 09:57.44 | judd | firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 09:57.50 | wols | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:57.52 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.8-1; sid: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1 |
| 09:58.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't quite like that everything is opt out... |
| 09:58.35 | wols | KaffeeJunky123: ffox 3.5 does support html5 |
| 09:58.48 | vsmatck | The URL suggestion feature does seem a bit strange. I don't think I benefit from and and want it disabled. I wonder if regular chome is as easy to install. |
| 09:58.55 | wols | what it does not support is h.264 for good reasons |
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| 09:59.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols: do you know any page with ogg theora video to test if html 5 videos are working? |
| 09:59.49 | wols | no, sorry |
| 10:00.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | The videos on apple.com are probably h.264 encoded |
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| 10:01.16 | wols | more than just "probably" :) |
| 10:01.56 | qwd | I just tried creating a pdf from 600+ gif files and the computer slowed down to a crawl, couldn't do a thing. Then I got a message that I only had 198 megabytes of free space so I cancelled the command and looked in the folder. No pdf file left and now I had 7 gigabytes of free space. I converted by doing: convertconvert *.gif new.pdf |
| 10:02.01 | qwd | Was this not the right way? |
| 10:02.30 | qwd | The gif files themselves only take up 130 megabytes by the way |
| 10:03.09 | cahoot | KaffeeJunky123: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_kcaCmHiU - uses flash in ff 3.6.3 (here) html5 in chrome |
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| 10:03.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | cahoot: well, but google is using h.264 aswell iirc |
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| 10:04.56 | Parsifal | KaffeeJunky123: http://tinyogg.com/ will convert any YouTube video to Ogg Theora. |
| 10:04.59 | vsmatck | It seems that the call home features can be disabled under options/"under the hood". |
| 10:05.03 | vsmatck | I just disabled that stuff. |
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| 10:06.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | vsmatck: If I didn't told you you'd still not know this :O |
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| 10:09.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | hm strangely enough the mplayer plugin doesn't seem to work in iceweasel |
| 10:09.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://www.blinkenfilme.de/elr/024/ELR_024.mp4 does work in mplayer, but it wont playback in iceweasel ^^ |
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| 10:11.52 | vsmatck | Hmm, I would prefer if my browser had notified me of these features before I used it. For example the popularity-contest screen during debian install. It's a call home feature but it asks your permission and explains why it's useful. |
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| 10:12.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | vsmatck: that's the problame with a lot of google stuff |
| 10:13.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | vsmatck: and a lot of internet services do it the same way, everythings opt out only not opt in |
| 10:13.15 | vsmatck | Seems like corporations in general can't be trusted because they're all about their bottom line. Respecting the user is not the top priority like with debian. |
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| 10:13.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | well I trust google more then I do trust facbook |
| 10:14.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | *facebook |
| 10:14.25 | jpinx-eeepc | .ot |
| 10:14.25 | vsmatck | I applied for a job at facebook two days ago. Got rejected one day ago. It's nice they're so quick. heh |
| 10:14.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !ot |
| 10:14.34 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 10:15.01 | vsmatck | The last thing I said was OT, but I don't believe the stuff before it was. |
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| 10:15.34 | wols | vsmatck: it all was |
| 10:16.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh my, I did not want to say anything ot :O |
| 10:16.12 | vsmatck | wols: Can you elaborate? I don't see it. What I was talking about was related to why I'd use debian. |
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| 10:16.33 | jpinx-eeepc | vsmatck: please use #d-ot - your points a interesting and valid, just not in here ;) |
| 10:16.33 | vsmatck | If it weren't for what I was talking about I'd be a windows user so.. |
| 10:16.37 | cahoot | vsmatck: please just drop it |
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| 10:41.20 | daiver | good day! |
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| 10:51.00 | ziarkaen | I'm trying to add a CUPS printer via the web UI. I press find new printer and select my usb printer, but at the driver selection it doesn't give me my manufacturer (for a builtin ghostscript driver), which I know other distros do. 'gs -h' tells me that the correct driver (hl1250) is on my system, just don't see my manufactuer. |
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| 10:52.48 | rabbitea1 | 12 |
| 10:52.55 | rabbitea1 | does anybody talk in here? |
| 10:53.18 | rabbitea1 | or are you people just doing the perl thing |
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| 10:53.23 | karuru | !sid |
| 10:53.23 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 11:00.27 | ziarkaen | Apt-file quits when it can't find security.debian.org/.../.../Contents-i386.gz . This address 404's. |
| 11:00.43 | abrotman | normal |
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| 11:09.55 | guysoft42 | um, this is "worse than failure" material: Depends: python-sip4 (>=<none>) but 4.10-2 is to be installed |
| 11:11.31 | abrotman | on which package? |
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| 11:11.40 | abrotman | and which version of debian? |
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| 11:12.27 | zinx | i'm going to guess python-kde4 |
| 11:13.08 | rabbitea1 | no more perl, Ruby from now on |
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| 11:13.21 | abrotman | rabbitea1: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 11:14.00 | rabbitea1 | abrotman: what? |
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| 11:14.02 | abrotman | zinx: Can I guess unstable? hopefully he's off browsing the BTS |
| 11:14.05 | abrotman | rabbitea1: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 11:14.16 | rabbitea1 | abrotman: I run archlinux and slackware ... |
| 11:14.23 | abrotman | rabbitea1: so why are you in #debian ? |
| 11:14.35 | rabbitea1 | abrotman: why would I have a debian related question? |
| 11:14.41 | abrotman | because you're in #debian |
| 11:14.47 | rabbitea1 | what? |
| 11:14.54 | rabbitea1 | do you all have questions? |
| 11:14.57 | abrotman | rabbitea1: are you drunk ? |
| 11:15.01 | rabbitea1 | no |
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| 11:15.16 | abrotman | rabbitea1: if you don't have a debian question, please keep quiet |
| 11:15.27 | rabbitea1 | do you believe I'm drunk? |
| 11:15.43 | abrotman | i believe you're here to cause problems |
| 11:15.52 | rabbitea1 | oh |
| 11:16.06 | rabbitea1 | and why are you here? |
| 11:16.28 | abrotman | rabbitea1: please keep quiet until you have something Debian-related to say |
| 11:16.41 | rabbitea1 | maybe |
| 11:17.48 | rabbitea1 | abrotman: what do you need as far as nothing? |
| 11:17.53 | rednammoc | using mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 but it says the device is apparently in use by the system. what should i do now ? |
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| 11:18.17 | rednammoc | i used the command "mount" to check if it's mounted. but it isn't |
| 11:18.21 | zinx | rednammoc: grep sdb1 /proc/mounts |
| 11:18.32 | abrotman | rabbitea1: please try to be more signal, less noise |
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| 11:19.01 | zinx | rednammoc: it may be being used as swap too, so check /proc/swaps |
| 11:19.18 | rednammoc | zinx: nope. it isn't :/ |
| 11:19.51 | zinx | rednammoc: try lsof /dev/sdb1? :x |
| 11:20.03 | rednammoc | zinx: did that already. no result |
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| 11:20.23 | zinx | rednammoc: are you using any /dev/disk/ paths? |
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| 11:21.09 | rednammoc | zinx: the device was raid1 |
| 11:21.10 | auchewet | hi, when will the dependency of miro to xulrunner-1.9 be fixed? I think 1.9.1 is available... it should be a simple fix in the dependencies list.. please this is broken for weeks now! :/ |
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| 11:21.20 | zinx | rednammoc: oh, did you remove it from the raid? |
| 11:21.26 | rednammoc | zinx: also it was lvm |
| 11:21.27 | auchewet | oh: testing |
| 11:21.35 | abrotman | auchewet: did nyou check the BTS to see if there is any information ? |
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| 11:21.45 | rednammoc | zinx: i stopped the raid. removed it from /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 11:21.46 | abrotman | judd: versions miro |
| 11:21.47 | judd | miro -- lenny: 1.2.3-2; squeeze: 2.5.3-1; sid: 3.0-1 |
| 11:21.58 | zinx | rednammoc: removing it from /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf doesn't remove it |
| 11:21.59 | rednammoc | zinx: removed the logical volumes |
| 11:22.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell auchewet about why is miro not in testing |
| 11:22.12 | auchewet | abrotman, bts has had this error before - seems it worked but it's broken again |
| 11:22.28 | rednammoc | zinx: stopped the device too (mdadm --stop /dev/md0) |
| 11:22.44 | abrotman | auchewet: it looks like the one in testing is trying to be replaced, but it's having a buildd problem on mips |
| 11:23.01 | zinx | rednammoc: you need mdadm --remove |
| 11:23.09 | auchewet | so which one should I use then? |
| 11:23.18 | rednammoc | zinx: did that too (check it now) ;) |
| 11:23.21 | zinx | rednammoc: you need mdadm /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdb1 i think |
| 11:23.36 | abrotman | auchewet: keep an eye on that page the bot sent you |
| 11:24.16 | zinx | rednammoc: so it's not listed in /proc/mdstat? |
| 11:24.30 | abrotman | oh, i think i misread that |
| 11:25.02 | auchewet | abrotman, wait a second: we're waiting for a build on another platform? Am I seeing that right? |
| 11:25.03 | rednammoc | zinx: md_d0 : active raid1 sdb[1] sdc[0] |
| 11:25.04 | abrotman | oh, no i didn't |
| 11:25.35 | zinx | rednammoc: well, there you go.. md_d0 is using the entire disk |
| 11:25.37 | abrotman | auchewet: that's what it seems to say .. but the build seems to be in 'incoming' which means it will be in there shortly ... so probably 3 days or so till it gets to testinbg |
| 11:25.55 | rednammoc | zinx: mdadm /dev/md_d0 --remove /dev/sdb /dev/sdc; device or resource busy |
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| 11:26.00 | zinx | rednammoc: it's active |
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| 11:26.12 | rednammoc | zinx: truely true xD |
| 11:26.24 | auchewet | abrotman, thanks for the help |
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| 11:27.28 | rednammoc | zinx: after stopping it (again?) and using the --remove command, it says, that it cannot get any array info for /dev/md_d0 |
| 11:27.55 | rednammoc | zinx: i think i messed the whole thing up |
| 11:28.36 | rednammoc | zinx: do you know what to do next ? |
| 11:29.03 | abrotman | rip the drive out viciously! |
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| 11:32.14 | rednammoc | zinx: formating the disk works |
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| 11:32.37 | rednammoc | zinx: thx for your help |
| 11:33.01 | rabbitea1 | ... |
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| 11:33.17 | rabbitea1 | gentoo kicked me because I'm talking about LFS |
| 11:33.33 | abrotman | how is that related to #debian? |
| 11:33.33 | rabbitea1 | I'm pretty good, but man, so mean.... |
| 11:33.42 | rabbitea1 | I care |
| 11:33.51 | canci__ | :( |
| 11:34.02 | rabbitea1 | I do. |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | rabbitea1: Why can't you stay on topic? If you do'nt have a question about Debian, please keep quiet |
| 11:34.18 | rabbitea1 | k |
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| 11:35.41 | rabbitea1 | I'm reading the pdf "Gettting Real by 37singles" |
| 11:35.50 | rabbitea1 | so I don't have to get into your head |
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| 11:36.28 | simonrvn | /kick |
| 11:36.30 | abrotman | rabbitea1: this channel is not a playground, try #defocus |
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| 11:40.00 | rednammoc | same problem again |
| 11:40.10 | rednammoc | what can i do to format my device |
| 11:40.16 | rednammoc | it says it's in use |
| 11:40.35 | rednammoc | but i dont know what is using it |
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| 11:43.01 | rednammoc | cat /proc/mdstat giving me the same result again |
| 11:43.11 | rednammoc | so my raid is started again (and syncing) |
| 11:43.29 | rednammoc | how to stop this sync-process and remove the device from the mdadm list ? |
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| 11:49.42 | kurkale6ka | Hi, how can I have mutt notify me of incoming messages? |
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| 11:53.39 | cahoot | kurkale6ka: I think you can write a procmail recipe to that effect |
| 11:54.11 | Chris___ | I've got some friends calling me a liar when I tell them I can open a regular terminal, then "Ctrl+A+D" and it'll close (Exit, not detach), just like it'll ALSO detach a screen. |
| 11:54.17 | Chris___ | Am I the only one who can do this? :S |
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| 11:54.57 | Chris___ | oh, it's ctrl+d, it does a logout |
| 11:55.33 | kurkale6ka | cahoot: ok, I will check it |
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| 12:06.55 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:07.42 | rabbitea1 | \o |
| 12:08.55 | poisonbit | \o/ |
| 12:10.32 | djura-san | :) |
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| 12:11.54 | poisonbit | somebody know about any "preseed file generation/management" program ? |
| 12:12.16 | poisonbit | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
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| 12:12.41 | poisonbit | I'm thinking about a web form, backed by some template blocks |
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| 12:16.11 | poisonbit | and related to that... where could I get the supported locales (short and long names) for each debian version ? |
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| 12:18.42 | rabbitea1 | poisonbit: website? |
| 12:18.58 | rabbitea1 | poisonbit: you need me to hold your hand? |
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| 12:24.45 | abrotman | poisonbit: think it's mostly done by hand |
| 12:24.52 | xxtjaxx | hmm somebody from the gwibber fan base here? |
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| 12:26.28 | poisonbit | abrotman, I know, I use to make it manually. Because of that, my question :) |
| 12:26.54 | poisonbit | rabbitea1, I need to take from some place the locales list |
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| 12:27.34 | poisonbit | if posible with both names (i.e. en_EN => English, etc) |
| 12:27.48 | rabbitea1 | ya |
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| 12:28.19 | rabbitea1 | poisonbit: mostly a perm programmer |
| 12:28.23 | rabbitea1 | thats not perl |
| 12:29.23 | abrotman | rabbitea1: please go away |
| 12:29.50 | abrotman | poisonbit: doesn't the preseed take the shortnames ? |
| 12:30.16 | poisonbit | abrotman, yes, i need it for the final user form... where i want to generate the preseed file |
| 12:30.33 | poisonbit | it = the long name |
| 12:31.02 | abrotman | anything in like /usr/share/doc/locales/ ? |
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| 12:31.10 | superlinux | hi |
| 12:31.57 | poisonbit | from README Ive get /usr/local/share/i18n/SUPPORTED, thanks abrotman |
| 12:32.05 | abrotman | poisonbit: ah ok |
| 12:32.07 | superlinux | I want to convert windows address book (.wab) to CSV file. how? |
| 12:32.17 | abrotman | superlinux: ask ##windows |
| 12:32.30 | poisonbit | /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED |
| 12:32.35 | superlinux | abrotman, no! you've got me wrong this time! |
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| 12:32.50 | superlinux | I want a linux tool, bro! |
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| 12:33.45 | poisonbit | superlinux, It is a windows formatr |
| 12:33.52 | poisonbit | export in windows to csv |
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| 12:34.15 | superlinux | well I /don't/ have windows at the moment on my desk.. |
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| 12:34.53 | abrotman | superlinux: try freshmeat.net |
| 12:35.12 | djura-san | i have to go now :| . Have a nice day and nice chat :) |
| 12:35.39 | superlinux | ok, I am looking already. Just I ask to see if you had outlook and you moved. |
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| 12:35.50 | abrotman | right .. |
| 12:35.52 | superlinux | .. to linux of course |
| 12:36.19 | mirak_ | hi |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | superlinux: a .wab isn't outlook |
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| 12:37.10 | poisonbit | I moved about 10 years or more ago... an I did export in windows... at that time there was not programs on linux supporting wab files |
| 12:37.13 | superlinux | abrotman, anyway, you've got my point |
| 12:37.25 | abrotman | freshmeat.net .. or get a copy of windows |
| 12:37.42 | superlinux | I am looking now. see you once i find one |
| 12:37.46 | mirak_ | they said when you want to partition a dm raid device, you should --auto=mdp giving you devices such as /dev/md_d0 instead of /dev/md0. Anyone knows the exact reason ? |
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| 12:38.27 | bzed | mirak_: eh md has nothing to do with dm |
| 12:38.52 | mirak_ | bzed, then I meant md |
| 12:39.34 | bzed | mirak_: I'd not add partitions on a md device, that asks for trouble.... use lvm |
| 12:40.15 | mirak_ | bzed, but you can't mirror the full drive then |
| 12:41.12 | bzed | and why not? |
| 12:41.16 | rabbitea1 | sometime tell the defoma |
| 12:41.34 | bzed | mirak_: there is no issue at all in using a md raid as PV for lvm |
| 12:41.43 | rabbitea1 | something..., because I'm not aloud to send |
| 12:41.59 | mirak_ | bzed, but you can't mirror the partition table |
| 12:42.18 | xxtjaxx | anybody here tried wmii before? |
| 12:42.30 | rabbitea1 | unless you think your gonna like me, man, this is so backwards |
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| 12:42.54 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: why? |
| 12:42.57 | bzed | mirak_: use the whole drive then? |
| 12:43.06 | mirak_ | bzed, I want to use lvm, and md raid |
| 12:43.10 | mirak_ | bzed, yes |
| 12:43.18 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: I still use fvwm |
| 12:43.19 | mirak_ | bzed, I tried this way : mdadm --create --auto=mdp --verbose /dev/md_d0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb missing |
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| 12:43.31 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: people are all about awesome |
| 12:43.42 | bzed | mirak_: why /dev/md_d0? |
| 12:43.43 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: but they are like young |
| 12:44.21 | bzed | mirak_: and why do you want to add partitions on the md drive? |
| 12:44.22 | mirak_ | bzed, I don't know, they say in the docs we must use md_d0 I don't know why, and this gave me problems with grub, that's what I wanted to talk about |
| 12:44.42 | bzed | mirak_: do you want to boot from it? |
| 12:44.46 | mirak_ | bzed, yes |
| 12:44.55 | rabbitea1 | bzed: what IS an md drive? |
| 12:45.05 | rabbitea1 | bzed: look it up? |
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| 12:45.28 | xiaobo | MD? music player? |
| 12:45.47 | rabbitea1 | making more sence all the time |
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| 12:46.20 | bzed | mirak_: do the following: on each disks, create a partition table, one partition with 150MB and one partition with the rest of the space. create two raid1 md devices, md0 on the 150mb partitions, md1 on the other partitions. then format /dev/md0 and use it for /boot. and use /dev/md1 as PV for LVM |
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| 12:46.43 | bzed | mirak_: and then install grub into the MBR of both disks (you have to do it manuallyk on the second one I guess) |
| 12:46.54 | bzed | mirak_: then you should even be able to boot after the first disk failed |
| 12:47.07 | rabbitea1 | .. |
| 12:47.13 | mirak_ | bzed, this is what I did : I created the mdraid device on full /dev/sdb with the above command. Then I partitioned /dev/md_d0 with gpt. Created a boot bios partition for grub core.img, then another partition for LVM. When I tried to install grub on /dev/md_d0, grub complained to not find /dev/md0 wich is for me a bug. Or I missed something. |
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| 12:47.50 | bzed | mirak_: yeah. you made a complicated mess while it is pretty easy to do it. see above. |
| 12:48.00 | mirak_ | bzed, I think know grub can boot and find kernels from LVM |
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| 12:48.19 | bzed | mirak_: I'd not recommend to do such things |
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| 12:48.30 | mirak_ | bzed, what you give is not less complicated, it just doesn't do what I want |
| 12:48.38 | bzed | mirak_: I do not trust the lvm implementation in grub2. nor the DM implementation in grub2 |
| 12:48.57 | mirak_ | bzed, I understand |
| 12:48.59 | bzed | mirak_: it gives you the same at the end with less pain. |
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| 12:49.23 | londor | Hi, running Squeeze. Getting intermittent "drm: fill_in_dev error" during boot. Any pointer? |
| 12:49.37 | bzed | mirak_: and creating the partition table manually is not such a problem, you could even use sfdisk to dump and restore it on the other deivce |
| 12:49.54 | mirak_ | bzed, well I think my solution is less complicated. However maybe less reliable from your experience. Though you base it just on your trust, wich I understand too and take notice off |
| 12:50.00 | bzed | mirak_: and as you're using lvm, there is no further need to mess with the partition table at all |
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| 12:50.42 | bzed | mirak_: actually I think the way you chose is not the common one, why it might work, my way is what most people do in practice |
| 12:51.20 | mirak_ | bzed, yes, unless you change a mirrored drive. you need to partition it etcetera. So ok it's not hard, however I was attracted by the beauty of the idea of a full raid 1 |
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| 12:51.46 | bzed | mirak_: yeah, true. |
| 12:52.06 | mirak_ | bzed, yes I that's what most people do, it was not easy to find info on what I wanted to do. |
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| 12:53.06 | mirak_ | bzed, there is something also that happens with my solution, it's that the kernel first scans the physicall partition table. |
| 12:53.48 | xxtjaxx | mirak_: takes longer doesnt it? |
| 12:53.49 | mirak_ | bzed, I mean the partition table of the physical device. here I use gpt, and it warns me that the gpt partition table doesn't adress the whole drive. |
| 12:55.00 | bzed | mirak_: hmm... sounds buggy, not sure what the reason is, though :) |
| 12:55.06 | mirak_ | bzed, wich is in fact logical, because the gpt was built on top of the md raid device. and this device is smaller than the physicall device, because md raid stores it's metadata at the end of the device |
| 12:55.15 | xxtjaxx | mirak_: depends do you have 2 hds same "tin"-size but from different vendors? there can be differences |
| 12:55.23 | bzed | mirak_: probably recreate the partition table, using an old-fashioned msdos partition (as long as your drives are not too bug for that ) |
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| 12:56.57 | mirak_ | bzed, in the end it's ok, it's just that partprobe logically scans first the physicall device. but once it detects the md raid device, it doesn't create /dev/sdb1 device for exemple, it will create a /dev/md0p1 device. This is what I have in front of my eyes in the terminal, so it "works". however it's really not very documented |
| 12:57.35 | mirak_ | xxtjaxx, no same vendor, same size, though they are not exattly from the same drive series |
| 12:57.40 | bzed | mirak_: yeah, less documented and less tested :) |
| 12:58.36 | bzed | mirak_: do you have the two drives already? if you add one as missing, you should thing about making a few partitions on the drive and creating several mirrors - this ensures that you're not running into troublem when your second drive is slightly smaller than the first one |
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| 12:59.15 | bzed | mirak_: create the md raid on the last partition when you have the second drive, and just stick the partitions together with lvm |
| 12:59.17 | mirak_ | bzed, so if you remember my first question, it was, why do we need to use --auto=mdp, and a device name like md_d0 instead of md0 . I can't find precise technical explanations about that |
| 13:00.35 | mirak_ | bzed, they really are identicall. however I understand what you mean, if one drive fail, and I can't find a drive sligtly bigger, I am toasted, or need to have a 1,5T drive instead of 1T |
| 13:00.46 | bzed | ack |
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| 13:01.44 | bzed | mirak_: actually no idea why you need to choose a different name |
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| 13:02.43 | bzed | mirak_: I could imagine because /dev/md0-9 are reserverd for "standard' md (unpartitionable) devices |
| 13:02.50 | bzed | mirak_: you coul deven name it /dev/foo |
| 13:02.55 | mirak_ | bzed, yep because here I tried to reassemble the existing array created with /dev/md_d0 with mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sdb |
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| 13:03.22 | mirak_ | and it worked well. it even created the partitions device /dev/md0p1 md0p2 |
| 13:04.10 | mirak_ | however I guess that the problems might occur when grub or the kernel try to assemble. I am not sure how this works |
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| 13:09.04 | bzed | mirak_: grub doesn't assemble the raid |
| 13:09.26 | bzed | mirak_: grub only reads from one of the two disks, the assembling stuff should be don in the initrd normally |
| 13:09.43 | JWay | what is an easy way to make a helloworld script that listens on port X on my server, and starts a thread each time a client connects through a console? |
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| 13:09.55 | bzed | mirak_: and there you run into the trouble - chances are goo dthat grub will nto find your partition(s) at all |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | JWay: ask the channel for the programming language you want to use |
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| 13:10.25 | mirak_ | bzed, recent version of grub are doing that |
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| 13:10.39 | bzed | mirak_: ah... |
| 13:10.53 | mirak_ | bzed, it can assemble raid and lvm |
| 13:11.15 | mirak_ | bzed, as logically as the kernel, with paths |
| 13:11.34 | mirak_ | bzed, though you might not trust it enough yet |
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| 13:21.41 | kurkale6ka | How can I configure exim so I get notification for new local email? |
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| 13:22.57 | xxtjaxx | kurkale6ka: ypou usually get those messages when you are on a Xconsole/tty on login there is a little line that says you have mail |
| 13:23.08 | xxtjaxx | s/ypou/you |
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| 13:24.00 | kurkale6ka | xxtjaxx: ok but I want notification all the time not only on login |
| 13:24.43 | rabbitea1 | kurkale6ka: sorry |
| 13:24.57 | qwd | I tried to convert a pdf to djvu with pdf2djvu and used the --monochrome option, however the background in the pdf was grayish and it would look nicer if the resulting djvu was white background and black foreground, anyone know how to do this? |
| 13:25.41 | xxtjaxx | kurkale6ka: maybe let exim forward them to your normal mail account |
| 13:25.47 | rabbitea1 | maybe you could get into color theory websites qwd |
| 13:26.18 | xxtjaxx | qwd: check the contrast settings? |
| 13:26.19 | simonrvn | rabbitea1: if you have nothing concrete to contribute, stfu. |
| 13:26.42 | rabbitea1 | simonrvn: if you |
| 13:26.51 | kurkale6ka | xxtjaxx: you mean there is no way other than that...? |
| 13:27.09 | xxtjaxx | I doubt it |
| 13:27.12 | rabbitea1 | simonrvn: did you bring toy box? |
| 13:27.21 | qwd | xxtjaxx: don't see anything in the manual |
| 13:27.32 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: :) |
| 13:27.39 | xxtjaxx | simonrvn: thats a bit harsh dont you think? |
| 13:27.49 | xxtjaxx | qwd: hang on |
| 13:27.57 | kurkale6ka | ok thx |
| 13:27.58 | rabbitea1 | you poeple only think you know what your saying mostly |
| 13:28.00 | simonrvn | xxtjaxx: rabbitea1 is a troll. been doing this all morning. |
| 13:28.13 | rabbitea1 | most of the the your talking about mean who means nothing |
| 13:28.14 | simonrvn | so, no, it isn't. |
| 13:28.24 | rabbitea1 | and thats a freakin sign in it self |
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| 13:28.51 | rabbitea1 | got it? |
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| 13:29.43 | rabbitea1 | you really don't know anything do you? |
| 13:29.53 | rabbitea1 | thats a horrible shame |
| 13:29.58 | xxtjaxx | ahaha kurkale6ka there we have it see --fg-colors=web |
| 13:30.03 | rabbitea1 | shame shame debian |
| 13:30.16 | xxtjaxx | and --bg-* something |
| 13:30.46 | kurkale6ka | xxtjaxx: I doubt this is about exim :) |
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| 13:31.03 | david-w | does debian have yum on it |
| 13:31.19 | xxtjaxx | sorry mixed up you two :D |
| 13:31.33 | qwd | xxtjaxx: that's alright, I saw it :) |
| 13:31.45 | xxtjaxx | so qwd --bg-subsample=n |
| 13:32.15 | xxtjaxx | --fg-colors might help also so you can reduce it to just black and white |
| 13:32.42 | xxtjaxx | maybe consult `man imagemagick` for this in detail |
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| 13:34.11 | qwd | xxtjaxx: pdf2djvu is part of imagemagick? |
| 13:34.45 | simonrvn | david-w: no, better, apt, aptitude |
| 13:34.54 | xxtjaxx | qwd it uses imagemagick for the colorisation stuff according to the manpage |
| 13:35.17 | david-w | OK |
| 13:35.23 | qwd | xxtjaxx: ah, thanks |
| 13:36.11 | debuggerboy | david-w there will be yum as debian package. but why would you need yum on debian? |
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| 13:36.34 | david-w | well due to we are more used to yum |
| 13:36.56 | xxtjaxx | debuggerboy: there is apt4rpm or atleast there used to be |
| 13:37.10 | rabbitea1 | ya see, your guys are just and dumb as all other people |
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| 13:37.53 | rabbitea1 | you'd know that if you actually read what people ask of you |
| 13:38.05 | rabbitea1 | I personally don't think your that smart |
| 13:38.09 | xxtjaxx | rabbitea1: well no not they are but the rpm package format is a bit... how shall we say it ... briskly documented... |
| 13:38.39 | rabbitea1 | we don't say |
| 13:38.47 | debuggerboy | david-w apt-get and aptitude are the replacements for yum for debian environments. |
| 13:38.58 | david-w | OK |
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| 13:39.32 | rabbitea1 | I like debian |
| 13:39.46 | rabbitea1 | but man, talk about thinking your cool |
| 13:39.49 | xxtjaxx | dunno but does yum have a ncurses frontend? Like aptitude on debian? |
| 13:39.52 | rabbitea1 | just stop it! |
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| 13:41.09 | rabbitea1 | you don't care where people are from, you don't care what people do, you don't care why anybody would ask a question like that |
| 13:41.40 | rabbitea1 | you ONLY care about fame, witch is way wrong |
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| 13:42.48 | rabbitea1 | you should be allowed to have this irc room |
| 13:43.25 | rabbitea1 | over the top in to nothingness of politics |
| 13:43.40 | xxtjaxx | rabbitea1: are you hooked up to yow? |
| 13:43.59 | rabbitea1 | xxtjaxx: ya |
| 13:44.50 | laptobolo | i want to create a RAID 5 out of 2 1TB drives and one RAID 1 with 2 500GB drives. fdisk says 1B for md0 and 2TB for md1 which looks good. but http://pastebin.org/173326 md1 looks weird here |
| 13:45.03 | rabbitea1 | I mean you people equivacate, falisize, just give me and debian a bad name |
| 13:45.32 | rabbitea1 | atleast perl has some windows people I can fight for |
| 13:46.38 | rabbitea1 | what laptobolo ? |
| 13:46.50 | rabbitea1 | see they probably get mad at me for saying that |
| 13:46.54 | jelly-hme | rabbitea1: please do try keep this channel limited to technical support. Use #debian-offtopic if you want to rant. |
| 13:46.59 | rabbitea1 | but what are you saying laptobolo ? |
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| 13:47.43 | laptobolo | http://pastebin.org/173326 i don't know why md0 is not listed in md1 |
| 13:48.03 | laptobolo | i created a raid5 with sdc, sdd and md0 |
| 13:48.44 | laptobolo | and md0 is not listed |
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| 13:50.26 | epsilon | did you try add it? |
| 13:50.30 | frostschutz | laptobolo: raid0 over two 500gb drives to make up for a missing 1tb drive...? |
| 13:50.54 | laptobolo | frostschutz: yes sir |
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| 13:52.06 | epsilon | besides that is a sick setup, what happens if you try add it? |
| 13:52.24 | frostschutz | and what's with the spare... |
| 13:52.47 | laptobolo | frostschutz: thats md0 |
| 13:52.54 | frostschutz | ... |
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| 13:55.10 | laptobolo | http://pastebin.org/173347 |
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| 13:55.41 | laptobolo | is says total devices: 4. wtf? |
| 13:56.42 | epsilon | you know classic RAID5 setup is using at least 3 discs + spare? |
| 13:57.27 | laptobolo | fuuu |
| 13:57.32 | laptobolo | wait. it says at least 3 |
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| 13:57.58 | Warp4 | hi all |
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| 13:58.20 | laptobolo | 3 or more. nothing about spare |
| 13:58.27 | epsilon | ... |
| 13:58.34 | Warp4 | i set up leafnode a couple days ago and got it working with my giganews feed. i would like to make it available to either only certain users or certain IP addresses. Is this possible? |
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| 13:59.01 | epsilon | laptobolo: do us all a favour and stay with single disc |
| 13:59.10 | rabbitea1 | ... |
| 13:59.19 | laptobolo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels |
| 13:59.21 | rabbitea1 | co |
| 13:59.26 | rabbitea1 | disco |
| 13:59.30 | laptobolo | is says minimum 3 |
| 13:59.44 | rabbitea1 | the debian way |
| 13:59.49 | rabbitea1 | disco... |
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| 14:02.33 | rabbitea1 | ... |
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| 14:08.25 | xxtjaxx | Warp4 are you aggregating some of the other boards and groups that are alread on the nntp network? like comp.os* or something? |
| 14:08.34 | Mowee | Hi :]] |
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| 14:09.18 | Warp4 | xxtjaxx yeah |
| 14:09.52 | Warp4 | xxtjaxx since time warner stopped having newsgroups, im offering them to members of the local LUG |
| 14:10.26 | Warp4 | or rather, id like to offer them |
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| 14:10.42 | Warp4 | the only way anyone on the outside can get access to the server right now is if they connect to my vpn first |
| 14:12.06 | xxtjaxx | thats bad... try using dyndns with ddclient worked here fine. just get a domain name on dyndns and you're ready |
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| 14:13.01 | Warp4 | xxtjaxx was that meant for me? |
| 14:13.07 | tarkaram | I have a box running on debian and a 1.5 TB HDD that I would like to connect to the debian box and have to available to everyone in the house. The client machines are on windows. I was wondering if someone can suggest which package should I install to get enable this setup. Googling suggested NFS but all those articles that I read assume a debian client as well |
| 14:13.25 | Warp4 | tarkaram try samba |
| 14:13.32 | xxtjaxx | Warp4: sorry yes |
| 14:14.00 | tarkaram | Warp4: Thanks, will read more about it. |
| 14:14.15 | xxtjaxx | tarkaram: vsftpd secure fine stable |
| 14:14.21 | xxtjaxx | also less a hassle than samba tbj |
| 14:14.28 | xxtjaxx | s/tbj/tbh |
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| 14:16.37 | Dblur | what kernel is debian stable using atm ? |
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| 14:17.18 | tarkaram | xxtjaxx: if I were to use vsftpd, will the windows client be able to access the data ? |
| 14:17.19 | xxtjaxx | 2.6.25 last time I looked |
| 14:17.27 | nvteighen | Dblur: 2.6.26 |
| 14:18.01 | xxtjaxx | tarkaram: its basically sftp so a Filezilla is fine |
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| 14:19.39 | tarkaram | xxtjaxx: Thanks. Its for my wife that I am trying to dummify the whole thing. If I ask to transfer files using Filezilla.. she would ask me not to touch the HDD :) |
| 14:20.48 | xxtjaxx | tarkaram: doesnt IE undestand SFTP by now? |
| 14:21.29 | xxtjaxx | tarkaram: in that case: basically just add a bookmark for her she enters credentials and done? |
| 14:22.13 | tarkaram | xxtjaxx: Thanks ! |
| 14:22.19 | thrashold | So, a new device is discovered (WiFi). I want to get a command executed when it is found. I have a Python script that does this for keyboards and mice, by listening on D-Bus, but it takes 3 MB memory which is too much for me for now. Is there another way to make this in Debian? Something in interfaces? |
| 14:22.49 | Bop | device ? |
| 14:22.53 | Bop | access point ? |
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| 14:23.18 | thrashold | Adding it as auto and manual, and adding a post-up script? |
| 14:23.35 | Bop | dont understand what new device is discovered |
| 14:23.44 | xxtjaxx | thrashold: use wicd and select this ssid as automagic logon? |
| 14:23.46 | Bop | on a scan ? |
| 14:23.47 | thrashold | New hardware |
| 14:23.56 | Dblur | xxtjaxx, nvteighen: ty. |
| 14:24.07 | Bop | new hardware , then what |
| 14:24.12 | Bop | u need to plug it in |
| 14:24.34 | thrashold | Bop: A new hardware WiFi is discovered. I need to run a command that pushes the power up, because otherwise it doesn't connect to the access point :) |
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| 14:24.40 | Bop | then if suported , udev will launch the kernel module for it |
| 14:24.45 | SerajewelKS | i'm working on a dovecot IMAP setup, both for reading my email and archiving it. i can't decide between maildir and mbox. i know that mbox is going to get slower and slower as the mailbox grows, but i also know that with maildir i'm going to run out of inodes pretty quickly. what would be a solution to this dilemma? |
| 14:24.51 | Sarago | for downloading the installation media, do I want the lenny directory? |
| 14:25.19 | Bop | thrashold, u mean , new Acess Point is discovered |
| 14:25.33 | thrashold | Bop: No, new WiFi adapter |
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| 14:26.29 | Bop | wifi does it auto , i think yeah |
| 14:26.36 | Bop | er |
| 14:26.37 | Bop | wicd |
| 14:26.54 | thrashold | wicd can't execute arbitrary commands, IIRC :) |
| 14:27.09 | Bop | but if u got few wifi adapter could not work |
| 14:27.27 | xxtjaxx | thrashold: but it autoconnects fine here with rt2860 and zd1211rw |
| 14:27.32 | Bop | but it connects you auto |
| 14:28.18 | thrashold | xxtjaxx: Hm, how does this allow me to execute arbitrary commands when the system detects the adapter (or before trying to associate)? |
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| 14:29.19 | tarkaram | I have a similar issue with my usb wifi device. When I plug the device in, I have to run the dhclient ra0 command to get an IP. Is there a way to automatically get the IP. The ra0 interface is not setup in /etc/network/interfaces and I have set up some parameters in a RTxxxx.dat file |
| 14:29.26 | xxtjaxx | thrashold: why you want to do that anyway? |
| 14:30.04 | Bop | tarkaram, use wicd |
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| 14:30.20 | thrashold | xxtjaxx: Because I need to run a command that changes something related to the WiFi power, which is needed for me to connec tto my AP |
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| 14:31.17 | thrashold | xxtjaxx: Once per power-up of the WiFi adapter (when it gets discovered by the OS) is enough :) |
| 14:31.40 | xxtjaxx | thrashold: afaik wicd does that |
| 14:32.39 | thrashold | beforescript? |
| 14:32.59 | tarkaram | Bop: Is there a sepcific repository that I should add. My apt-get doesnt seem to find wicd |
| 14:33.45 | xxtjaxx | thrashold: it does the up-down process before trying to connect to it |
| 14:33.46 | Bop | maybe backports |
| 14:34.00 | Bop | !tell tarkaram about backports |
| 14:34.06 | xxtjaxx | tarkaram: which debian release are you running? |
| 14:35.02 | thrashold | xxtjaxx: Which up-down process? :) |
| 14:35.37 | tarkaram | xxtjaxx: Its 5.0.4 |
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| 14:36.21 | Bop | thrashold, try this script under /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 14:36.23 | Bop | SUBSYSTEM==âusbâ SYSFS{idProduct}==â1001â³, SYSFS{idVendor}==â12d1â³, RUN+=â/usr/sbin/e169g_switchâ |
| 14:36.33 | Bop | u need to set it up acordly |
| 14:36.34 | thrashold | Bop: Thanks, that's what I was looking for :) |
| 14:36.55 | Sarago | I don't have the syslinux command |
| 14:36.58 | Bop | thrashold, let me know if it worked |
| 14:36.58 | Sarago | where do I get that |
| 14:37.53 | enthus | Hi all..Can anyone tell me how to extract a particular package from debian dvd and install it? my dvd drive is not working! |
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| 14:38.37 | xxtjaxx | enthus you can also use the net repos btw |
| 14:38.48 | Bop | enthus, get it from the repositories |
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| 14:39.38 | enthus | xxtjaxx: i want to do it offline, i didnt have net connection in debian for that Bop |
| 14:40.08 | Bop | well, if your dvd is damaged, ther's nothing u can do |
| 14:40.15 | Bop | burn it again |
| 14:40.27 | olorin_ | His drive? |
| 14:40.46 | Bop | oh , dvd drive |
| 14:41.01 | Bop | well , u can copy the image to usb |
| 14:41.38 | enthus | dvd drive is not working but dvd works fine |
| 14:41.43 | Bop | ok |
| 14:41.56 | Bop | the comand to install packages is dpkg -i |
| 14:42.02 | Bop | but watch for dependencies |
| 14:42.11 | olorin_ | Bop: ONDA device above? |
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| 14:42.34 | Bop | onda ? |
| 14:42.50 | enthus | Bop: can i extract the .deb package from debian dvd? |
| 14:43.12 | Bop | if dvd is giving u i/o errors , u should not |
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| 14:43.34 | xxtjaxx | enthus: if you find it on there |
| 14:43.42 | Bop | if u can extract , u can also use aptitude to install it auto for you |
| 14:44.11 | olorin_ | Bop: Onda Communications. Known for its rebranding of Qualcomm technology, which they sell to Huawei and ZTE. |
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| 14:44.28 | Bop | olorin_, that was an example for thrashold |
| 14:44.34 | enthus | bois: can open the folders of dvd, it doesnt have any i/o errors |
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| 14:45.02 | enthus | sorry bois , it s for Bop |
| 14:45.18 | Bop | enthus, apt-cdrom , and then use try to install it auto |
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| 14:45.38 | enthus | Bop: ok...thanks |
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| 14:46.42 | olorin_ | Bop: Anyway, I've had much fun with mode switching lately. ;-) |
| 14:46.55 | Bop | what's that |
| 14:46.56 | Bop | dunno that |
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| 14:53.35 | amikrop | Hello. I use audacious. I have a mix that is split into some MP3s, and the related playlist (.M3U). How can I make it so there is no gap between the songs, and they can be listened to, as a whole mix? |
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| 14:55.59 | thrashold | Bop: Thanks, I couldn't do it the way you told me for some reason, but I put it in the persistent net rule, and it worked |
| 14:56.34 | Bop | thrashold, was as .rules file ? |
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| 14:57.28 | thrashold | Bop: /etc/udev/rules.d# cat 75-fix-wifi.rules -> SUBSYSTEM=="sdio", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0271", SYSFS{idProduct}=="010a", RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/fixwifipower" |
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| 14:58.20 | Bop | thrashold, shouldnt it be usb instead of sdio ? |
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| 14:58.50 | thrashold | Bop: /sys/class/net/eth0/device/subsystem is a symlink to sdio |
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| 15:03.27 | rabbitea1 | no |
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| 15:07.49 | SerajewelKS | ok stupid question, but each file has exactly one inode, correct? (excluding cases like hard links) |
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| 15:08.44 | SerajewelKS | in other words, one single file will use no more than one inode? |
| 15:13.28 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: all the hardlinks also point to a single inode |
| 15:13.45 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: right, i'm talking about the data itself, not the names pointing at it |
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| 15:15.22 | poisonbit | SerajewelKS, ls -i to see inode number on each file |
| 15:15.42 | SerajewelKS | good lord, and i thought i actually phrased my question well |
| 15:15.55 | poisonbit | one file = one inode |
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| 15:16.40 | SerajewelKS | right, ok. i didn't know if for big files it would take more than one inode, using a sort of linked-list structure |
| 15:17.10 | wols | SerajewelKS: at most for sparse files |
| 15:17.38 | wols | and of course this is all FS dependent |
| 15:17.54 | SerajewelKS | my next question is that i keep reading conflicting information on ext4 and extents. one site says that when using extents, you have basically no file count limit on the volume, while another says that there are still a limited number of inodes, which in turn point to the extents |
| 15:18.27 | SerajewelKS | well, what i'm trying to figure out is how to set up a volume suitable for running a ridiculously-large maildir (basically grow-only, very little will be deleted) |
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| 15:19.07 | SerajewelKS | would ext4 and extents be a good approach, or should i just use ext3 with the "small" usage profile or something like that? |
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| 15:24.59 | jelly-hme | do you trust ext4? |
| 15:25.18 | SerajewelKS | i haven't heard of any issues since it went stable in .29 |
| 15:25.55 | SerajewelKS | of course i'll be making regular backups though :) |
| 15:26.28 | SerajewelKS | it just seems like there should be some compromise between maildir and mbox |
| 15:29.18 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: dovecot has some interesting in-between formats |
| 15:29.30 | Kazuha | Which lockup is it that causes keyboard leds to blink? |
| 15:29.41 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: yeh, that's what i'm using |
| 15:29.53 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: maybe i should finish reading the docs :) |
| 15:29.58 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: I think that's dovecot development branch tho |
| 15:30.11 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: oh |
| 15:31.13 | jelly-hme | Kazuha: any kernel panic. I think different sets of leds mean different things, but don't know which is which off the top of my head |
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| 15:32.13 | Kazuha | Okay... I have a 2.6.26+badram kernel on that system, other than the obvious, is there anything that could be the cause? |
| 15:32.39 | Kazuha | (The obvious being the reason there's a badram kernel on it.) |
| 15:33.23 | jelly-hme | Kazuha: you seem to laready know the cause to your issue! |
| 15:33.40 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i'm not against using another fs either. i don't have a spare disk at the moment, but to get started i could loop-mount a big file and format it something else, like reiser. |
| 15:33.42 | Kazuha | More of: I have a candidate to start with. |
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| 15:34.49 | Dblur | how much space should i need for a minimal installation ? |
| 15:35.19 | Kazuha | A few gigs will live. Just not comfortably. |
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| 15:35.58 | Dblur | no, im mean without me installation anything how much space does the system take? |
| 15:36.11 | Kazuha | The OS itself? |
| 15:36.15 | Dblur | yes |
| 15:36.24 | Dblur | a plain minimal installation of debian |
| 15:36.31 | Dblur | without gnome |
| 15:36.34 | jelly-hme | Dblur: base system takes something like 500MB, perhaps less |
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| 15:36.49 | Kazuha | That sounds about right. |
| 15:37.05 | Dblur | ty. |
| 15:37.15 | Kazuha | Although, kernels (especially changing them) take up a fair bit. |
| 15:37.19 | jelly-hme | not an extremely useful system, that is |
| 15:37.32 | Dblur | hehe |
| 15:37.46 | shingouz | true. localepurge helps a little too |
| 15:37.47 | Dblur | im not gona make a 500mb partition, dont worry :P |
| 15:38.03 | Kazuha | has a 500 meg partition. |
| 15:38.08 | Kazuha | For /tmp. |
| 15:38.12 | Dblur | lol |
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| 15:39.01 | Kazuha | (The cause of that was because WINE was (a loooong time ago) spewing massive files into /tmp. And filling up /. |
| 15:39.18 | Kazuha | So I fixed that by giving /tmp its own partition.) |
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| 15:40.05 | Dblur | ok |
| 15:40.07 | Dblur | running low on ram |
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| 15:40.14 | jelly-hme | uses tmpfs for /tmp... because, well. |
| 15:40.18 | Dblur | how much swap would be usefull ? |
| 15:40.22 | near | hi i have an asus p5ql-em that enables dual monitors |
| 15:40.27 | jelly-hme | Dblur: how much RAM is there? |
| 15:40.27 | near | how do i set it up on lenny? |
| 15:40.41 | Dblur | that is i can make gbs of swap , but how much would i actually be using? |
| 15:40.51 | near | i cant find any tool to configure it, it will only display the same image |
| 15:41.11 | jelly-hme | near: xrandr is the basic tool. Pastebin its output. |
| 15:41.30 | Dblur | jelly-hme: 256 |
| 15:42.05 | jelly-hme | Dblur: is this a physical machine or a virtual? |
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| 15:42.15 | Dblur | physical machine |
| 15:42.23 | Dblur | installing atm |
| 15:42.39 | jelly-hme | Dblur: eh, make it twice the RAM. |
| 15:42.46 | shingouz | low on ram.... gee... (under 200M here now). Dblur, try 512. double the ram for swap was the rule ages ago |
| 15:42.56 | near | it says i should download x11 xserver utils |
| 15:43.05 | jelly-hme | Dblur: hopefully you don't plan on running X there |
| 15:43.06 | near | but then when i try it will say its already downloaded |
| 15:43.11 | Dblur | no |
| 15:43.23 | near | oh i already have it |
| 15:43.26 | Dblur | just java and some app for streaming media over the network |
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| 15:43.38 | near | is it only available by cli? |
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| 15:44.22 | the0rkus | anybody able to help me when it comes to connecting debian to wifi access point when installing? |
| 15:44.28 | jelly-hme | Dblur: java vm eats lots of ram. |
| 15:44.32 | near | http://pastebin.com/DGZyMuCJ |
| 15:44.42 | Dblur | the swap partition is a logical one , right? |
| 15:44.43 | Dblur | :S |
| 15:44.54 | jelly-hme | Dblur: doesn't matter. |
| 15:44.56 | Dblur | i need that and the partition for / , anything else? |
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| 15:45.26 | near | it only shows one monitor.. |
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| 15:46.28 | jelly-hme | near: it also only displays one available output, that's more important |
| 15:46.50 | near | i only have one port in my computer |
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| 15:46.58 | near | but i used a cable that turns it into 2 |
| 15:47.06 | near | and plugged the two monitors to it |
| 15:47.18 | near | yet my motherboard says it has dual monitor capability |
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| 15:47.50 | near | oh crap |
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| 15:47.52 | near | Yes, you will just have to run one monitor using a DVI cable. And the other monitor using a VGA cable. When setting it up I would use the DVI monitor as your main monitor/better picture. |
| 15:47.57 | near | thats from a post |
| 15:48.08 | near | sooo i need a vga to dvi cable? |
| 15:48.09 | jelly-hme | near: that implies two output pots available. |
| 15:48.14 | jelly-hme | ports* |
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| 15:48.41 | jelly-hme | you just said you only had one |
| 15:48.54 | near | yeah |
| 15:48.55 | near | i thought so |
| 15:49.01 | near | im not too literate with hardware xD |
| 15:49.16 | near | i thought the other one was for printers only |
| 15:51.03 | jelly-hme | your current video driver dones;t recognize more than one video output anyway |
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| 15:51.56 | near | i see |
| 15:51.58 | near | thanks a lot |
| 15:52.09 | near | so im off to buy a dvi to vga cable |
| 15:52.11 | jelly-hme | however, you can google for VGA and DVI and HDMI and DisplayPort pictures, and see if there's anything on the card/mainboard apart from the one you're currently using |
| 15:52.25 | jelly-hme | that's not what I said |
| 15:52.30 | frawfraw | hello all. is there any way to easily determine if a package has had an ABI breakage? |
| 15:52.41 | near | but if i have a dvi to vga cable |
| 15:52.49 | near | and connect it to another monitor in that port |
| 15:52.52 | rednammoc | calling "cat /proc/mdstat" resulting in "md_d0 : inactive sdc[0](S) \n 976762496 blocks". Has anyone an idea what that mean ? How to remove that entry ? |
| 15:52.53 | near | wouldnt it work? |
| 15:53.25 | Dblur | jelly-hme : is it ok if i mount a partition to something like /mnt/data ? |
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| 15:53.40 | Dblur | is that fine, or am i doing something wrong here? |
| 15:53.53 | Dblur | the installer wants me to mount it to /home. |
| 15:53.53 | jelly-hme | near: it depends. If your card only has DVI-D output, that cable won't help (and won't fit)\ |
| 15:53.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: the dovecot maildir page suggests that xfs would be a good fs to use for maildirs |
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| 15:54.30 | jelly-hme | Dblur: you can edit the mount point path in the installer somewhere |
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| 15:55.13 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: dunno, I only use fs'es I have experience with. If you have working backups, I guess you can use whatever you want |
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| 15:56.31 | near | http://pastebin.com/U7mZVKL8 |
| 15:56.33 | near | this is what it has |
| 15:57.09 | near | dvi and rgb |
| 15:57.12 | near | what would that mean? |
| 15:57.26 | jelly-hme | near: that doesn't show actual ports you have on your mainboard. |
| 15:57.51 | near | oh ok this would be a pic |
| 15:58.32 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: this is true |
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| 15:59.15 | near | http://www.techbuy.com.au/images/extra/E2008082670719.jpg |
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| 15:59.54 | the0rkus | is anyone able to help me with setting up a wireless access point in debian? |
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| 16:00.04 | jelly-hme | near: now figure out which types of ports you have. |
| 16:00.48 | near | a dvi port and a vga port ? |
| 16:00.52 | the0rkus | debian picks up my hardware, but for some reason it won't find any access points. |
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| 16:01.18 | the0rkus | I have tried adding them manually, but still nothing |
| 16:01.20 | jelly-hme | near: what's that left of the dvi? Which DVI is it, DVI-D, DVI-I? |
| 16:01.28 | the0rkus | it seems like my hardware isn't working |
| 16:01.34 | the0rkus | but how can I check? |
| 16:01.40 | the0rkus | I'm still in the install process... |
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| 16:02.47 | isfranc | near: and a hdmi port |
| 16:03.05 | phajdan-jr | hello. what's the best way to get python3 in lenny? |
| 16:03.16 | near | so can i dual monitor with them?? |
| 16:03.26 | near | using an adapter from vga to dvi ? |
| 16:03.38 | isfranc | yes hdmi and vga or dvi and vga |
| 16:03.39 | jelly-hme | near: why adapter? |
| 16:03.41 | near | its dvi-d |
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| 16:03.52 | near | because the monitor only has a vga cable |
| 16:03.54 | near | i think |
| 16:04.02 | jelly-hme | dvi-d is digital only, no adapting there |
| 16:04.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i'm just apathetic about it all :) |
| 16:04.28 | isfranc | near i have tv and pc monitor connected |
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| 16:04.58 | near | so how could i set it up... both monitors are the same with a vga cable output |
| 16:05.34 | jelly-hme | near: I have no idea if there are hdmi -> vga adapter or how well they work, if existent |
| 16:05.56 | near | so i should get a monitor that has hdmi? |
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| 16:06.13 | jelly-hme | near: or exchange at least one monitor for one with a digital input, yes |
| 16:06.23 | isfranc | or this http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00015723.html |
| 16:06.33 | near | mmm the one i got should have one |
| 16:06.36 | jelly-hme | near: hdmi or dvi-d capable, yes |
| 16:06.36 | near | now that i think about it |
| 16:06.47 | LugarSivi | anyone here running xfce from their git repos? I would need some assistence on installing xfce from git... never tried to compile sth. that big |
| 16:07.08 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: meh, what the hell, i'll just set it up on my / volume for now. i can always mv and mount later. |
| 16:07.40 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: how many millions of messages do you have anyway! |
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| 16:07.54 | Roasted | so if I fire up debian and epiphany wont launch, what are my options for getting on the web? |
| 16:07.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: well i'm migrating from gmail, so i'm going to fetchmail my entire account |
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| 16:08.20 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: only one folder? |
| 16:08.21 | dbbolton | what happened to forums.debian.net and wiki.debian.org ? |
| 16:08.33 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: gmail doesn't have folders |
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| 16:09.08 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: surely you jest. |
| 16:09.10 | dbbolton | SerajewelKS: there is a firefox extension that lets you use your gmail storage as a "filesystem" |
| 16:09.30 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: all my email in this account. google says i have 17547 conversations. since i'm on several high-volume mailing lists, this could easily expand to at least 10 times that. |
| 16:09.49 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: considering that i have 2+ million free inodes, i think i'll be ok for a while |
| 16:10.00 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: its IMAP interface definitely presents different folders. |
| 16:10.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: gmail has labels; a message can have more than one label |
| 16:10.24 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: "folder" usually implies exclusivity |
| 16:10.36 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: IMAP folders are the interface to its labels |
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| 16:11.26 | Benwa | hi, does anybody know if is it possible to recover the partion table of a hfs+ raid5? with testdisk for example... |
| 16:11.36 | near | well the monitor came with a dvi cable |
| 16:11.40 | near | yet i cant find it :O |
| 16:11.48 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: I wonder if a tools like offlineimap would be smart enough to hardlink the same message |
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| 16:13.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i would expect not. i'm still trying to figure out how i'm going to do the fetchmail. |
| 16:13.24 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: most of my messages can be automatically classified, so if i pull via pop3 it won't really be that hard to clean up the mess |
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| 16:15.36 | Dblur | found lenny/volatile main in sources.list, whats that exactly ? |
| 16:15.37 | jelly-hme | near: so get and use that cable. digital connectivity will give you better picture than VGA. |
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| 16:15.51 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell Dblur about volatile |
| 16:15.51 | Dblur | or perhaps whats meant by volatile |
| 16:16.04 | Dblur | cute bot. |
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| 16:16.11 | Sarago | so I did a base install of debian and installed Xorg, but my mouse doesn't work when I run start x |
| 16:16.15 | Sarago | startx |
| 16:16.25 | Sarago | it's a standard usb wheel mouse |
| 16:16.38 | Sarago | what am I missing |
| 16:17.34 | Dblur | jelly-hme : ok, would i need to also add "lenny main" if lenny/volatile exists in the list? |
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| 16:17.55 | near | yeah i-ve got to buy one |
| 16:18.07 | near | but its already too late stores will close by the time i get there |
| 16:18.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i might try fetchmail using imap and see what the result is though |
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| 16:18.18 | near | thanks a lot ill go next saturady |
| 16:18.42 | Titan8990 | Sarago: sure it works at all? does it work in the TTY if you enable gpm? |
| 16:18.52 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: basically, i'm trying to take this whole thing slow and get it right, because it's going to be my email system for a while :) |
| 16:19.10 | Dblur | and the kernel i got is 2.6.26-2-686 , but this pc is an old p4, why did i end up with a i686 kernel ? |
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| 16:19.58 | Dblur | i used the installation disc for i386. |
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| 16:20.28 | Sarago | Titan8990: well it was just working when I had a desktop install running on this system, but I didn't want all the software installed, so I reinstalled the system using base |
| 16:20.40 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: eh, spread it in muliple folders just like everyone does and you're set |
| 16:20.45 | wols | Dblur: cause i686 is your CPU arch basically |
| 16:20.56 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: what do you mean? |
| 16:20.56 | jelly-hme | Dblur: that's the correct kernel. |
| 16:21.00 | Titan8990 | Sarago: aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:21.07 | Dblur | ok |
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| 16:21.56 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: one m.list, one folder, etc |
| 16:22.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: right, of course. that's the plan. |
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| 16:22.49 | FriedrichMan | hey guys |
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| 16:23.07 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i'm hoping to tinker with dovecot's sieve functionality to make that Just Work |
| 16:23.15 | FriedrichMan | newbie question for you but... what's easier to learn...C# or C++? |
| 16:23.25 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i want to get as much of this in dovecot so that my mail program is basically just a dumb reader |
| 16:23.47 | SerajewelKS | FriedrichMan: C# by far. but i'm not sure what this has to do with debian. |
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| 16:24.29 | FriedrichMan | SerajewelKS: but isn't C# too microsoft oriented? |
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| 16:24.32 | Sarago | Titan8990: nothing was installed |
| 16:24.37 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: so, you won't have it all in one Maildir as you stated at first! |
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| 16:24.43 | SerajewelKS | FriedrichMan: not really, look at mono |
| 16:24.49 | Sarago | was aptitude install xorg the right command to install in the first place? |
| 16:24.49 | FriedrichMan | mono? |
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| 16:24.54 | simonrvn | !mono |
| 16:24.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, mono is either infectious mononucleosis ("glandular fever", "kissing disease"), or a community initiative to develop an open source, cross-platform version of the Microsoft .NET development framework. http://wiki.debian.org/Mono http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup http://www.mono-project.com/ #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:25.09 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: well, no. i mean on the same volume though. it still eats inodes either way. that was my primary concern. |
| 16:25.26 | Titan8990 | Sarago: xorg is the meta package that would have included input drivers |
| 16:25.26 | FriedrichMan | I am just trying to figure out what language I should try learning and which one is gonna be most udeful for me |
| 16:25.47 | SerajewelKS | FriedrichMan: mono is a .NET runtime and C# compiler for linux. i use it to develop several pet GTK projects. |
| 16:25.50 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: oh. I thought you were concerned with fs performance (lots of files in one folder) |
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| 16:26.06 | Sarago | Titan8990: then i ran -> Xorg -configure |
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| 16:26.17 | simonrvn | that's why dynamic inodes is nice |
| 16:26.21 | Titan8990 | Sarago: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf; startx |
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| 16:26.40 | Titan8990 | Sarago: xorg.conf is no longer needed |
| 16:26.51 | simonrvn | in many cases |
| 16:26.52 | Titan8990 | (unless you use proprietary drivers) |
| 16:26.54 | FriedrichMan | SerajewelKS: do you have some tutorial suggestion for a newbie? on C# I mean? |
| 16:27.00 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: well, that to a certain extent, but mostly inodes were my concern. but after actually looking at how many messages i've actually accumulated over four years, it's going to be probably another 300 before i actually use all my inodes :) |
| 16:27.04 | SerajewelKS | FriedrichMan: google :) |
| 16:27.12 | simonrvn | FriedrichMan: see links dpkg put out |
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| 16:27.15 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: I haven't come accross a case outside nvidia and fglrx personally |
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| 16:27.39 | FriedrichMan | SerajewelKS: sure I will, I was just trying to get some directions since there's so much data out there it gets confusing for newbies |
| 16:27.53 | simonrvn | funky keyboards, particular keyboard options, video device tweaking |
| 16:28.15 | SerajewelKS | FriedrichMan: have you ever programmed before? |
| 16:28.36 | FriedrichMan | not much more than bash and python scripting |
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| 16:30.28 | Sarago | hmm, i'm suspecting my one usb port might be on the fritz, I removed the mouse from one and put it in the other and it works fine |
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| 16:30.54 | FriedrichMan | SerajewelKS: am I aiming for something way off my limits right now? |
| 16:31.28 | Sarago | does the xorg metapackage auto install evdev? |
| 16:32.11 | Titan8990 | ,versions xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 16:32.12 | judd | xserver-xorg-input-evdev -- etch: 1:1.1.2-6; lenny: 1:2.0.8-1; squeeze: 1:2.3.2-4; sid: 1:2.3.2-6 |
| 16:32.19 | Titan8990 | Sarago: yes |
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| 16:33.18 | Titan8990 | Sarago: most people will only want the xserver-xorg meta package (both can be quite a waste though) |
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| 16:34.38 | the0rkus | Titan8990: you wouldn't have any idea why my wifi isn't working when trying to install Debian onto my PS3? |
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| 16:35.04 | jelly-hme | !ps3 |
| 16:35.04 | dpkg | [ps3] The PlayStation 3 is a video game console, known for having a Blu-ray drive and storage capacities of up to 250GB. It utilizes the cell processor, based on ppc64 with eight vector processing units. <Debian Live> Sid for PS3 is at http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 . You may easily try and/or install Debian GNU/Linux with <debootstrap>, installing Linux is disabled on the PS3 slim (PS3 CECH-2000). #debian-ps3 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:35.34 | M-O-S | hello al |
| 16:35.35 | M-O-S | l |
| 16:35.41 | jelly-hme | the0rkus: for weird platforms, try asking in platform-specific channels ^^ |
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| 16:36.00 | the0rkus | jelly-hme: cheers, I didn't know there was a specific channel :P |
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| 16:37.18 | Sarago | so alt is not recognized in irssi as my meta key, any suggestions? |
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| 16:39.08 | Titan8990 | Sarago: if your using something like gnome-terminal, you have to disable the use of alt for menu functions |
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| 16:40.02 | jarray52 | Where does epiphany download stuff? |
| 16:40.19 | jarray52 | To which directory does it download stuff? |
| 16:40.36 | Titan8990 | should be ~/Downloads |
| 16:40.45 | dbbolton | jarray52: look in the preferences |
| 16:40.47 | Sarago | Titan8990: i didn't install gnome-terminal, so it must be xterm |
| 16:41.03 | jarray52 | Titan8990: Already checked there. |
| 16:41.23 | jarray52 | dbbolton: I did. It says downloads, but stuff doesn't appear there. |
| 16:41.38 | jarray52 | will recheck these things. |
| 16:41.41 | jarray52 | thanks |
| 16:42.09 | Titan8990 | Sarago: does it have menus? |
| 16:42.35 | Sarago | Titan8990: no |
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| 16:43.43 | jarray52 | I disabled the download automatically. The automatic download seems to have some issues. |
| 16:43.48 | jarray52 | thanks |
| 16:43.57 | Titan8990 | jarray52: what version of debian? |
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| 16:44.26 | jarray52 | Titan8990: lenny-the new stable |
| 16:44.30 | dbbolton | check in /tmp |
| 16:44.43 | jarray52 | dbbolton: I did that too. It isn't there. |
| 16:45.28 | Titan8990 | jarray52: lenny isn't exactly "new" but it is currentl sable. If you really think there was a bug, file a bug report (if not one already) |
| 16:46.21 | jarray52 | Titan8990: I haven't done enough testing to file a bug report. |
| 16:46.22 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a test program similar to python's doc test but for the shell. I give it a file with the following content "> echo hi\nhi" (\n is a real newline) and the check passes while "> echo hi\nho" fails (> is the prompt). Does anything like this exist? Thanks. |
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| 16:49.21 | cosenal | hi |
| 16:49.29 | cosenal | does anyone use a Lemote machine? |
| 16:49.41 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: for a real newline you need echo -e '\n' |
| 16:49.49 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 16:49.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:50.11 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: without -e the \n is interpreted as a string "\n" and not a newline |
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| 16:50.36 | rudi_s | Titan8990: I know, that was just an example code. I didn't want to post multiple newlines to the channel. So my example looks like this: |
| 16:50.39 | rudi_s | echo hi |
| 16:50.40 | rudi_s | hi |
| 16:50.43 | rudi_s | > echo hi |
| 16:50.44 | rudi_s | hi |
| 16:50.46 | rudi_s | (Sorry.) |
| 16:50.54 | cosenal | I wonder if I can add more ram to a Lemote Machine |
| 16:51.14 | rudi_s | And that should cause a successful test, while ho in the second line should cause a failed test. |
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| 16:52.12 | dbbolton | rudi_s: what exactly are you trying to test? and try paste.debian.net |
| 16:52.27 | Titan8990 | cosenal: ##hardware |
| 16:52.48 | rudi_s | dbbolton: I want doctest which instead of running python code uses shell code and verifies the result. |
| 16:53.09 | Titan8990 | your going to have to explain doctest |
| 16:53.18 | cosenal | Titan8990: Cannot join #hardware (Channel is invite only) |
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| 16:53.50 | Titan8990 | cosenal: with two ## |
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| 16:54.35 | zimba12 | Titan8990, tnx ;-) |
| 16:54.49 | dbbolton | rudi_s: and why don't you just use python? |
| 16:55.06 | rudi_s | dbbolton: Because I want to run real programs, not just python code. |
| 16:55.19 | Sarago | are personas not supported with iceweasel? |
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| 16:55.43 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: what makes python applications "not real programs" |
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| 16:56.06 | jelly-hme | interpreted is evil! |
| 16:56.09 | Titan8990 | rudi_s: yum is not a real program? (red hat I know, but was the most important example I could think of) |
| 16:56.12 | dbbolton | rudi_s: doesn't python have a system() |
| 16:56.33 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: os.system() but there is also a subproccess lib that is more flexible |
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| 16:56.54 | dbbolton | i believe emerge is written in python. it definitely is not a real program though. |
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| 16:57.07 | rudi_s | dbbolton: Yeah, but that isn't very clean as all the tests have the os.system() .. so I was looking for a similar thing for shell. |
| 16:57.07 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: yep, thats correct |
| 16:57.22 | rudi_s | I know that python programs are real programs, but doctest is more for code snippets. |
| 16:57.24 | tenfour | Does anyone have a good and recent guide on hot to setup a secure debian LAMP/Server |
| 16:57.30 | tenfour | how* |
| 16:57.36 | Titan8990 | !harden |
| 16:57.36 | dpkg | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>. |
| 16:57.50 | Titan8990 | !tell tenfour about securing debian |
| 16:58.14 | jelly-hme | Mailman is not a real application either. |
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| 16:58.25 | Sarago | is the newest version of iceweasel really 6 minor versions behind firefox? |
| 16:58.42 | Titan8990 | most likely |
| 16:58.47 | Titan8990 | ,versions iceweasel |
| 16:58.48 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.8-1; sid: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1 |
| 16:58.51 | jelly-hme | Sarago: which version exactly are you talking about? |
| 16:59.02 | Dblur | bzip2 isnt installed by default ? |
| 16:59.08 | jelly-hme | Dblur: no |
| 16:59.24 | Dblur | ftw |
| 16:59.24 | Titan8990 | Dblur: lot of things not installed by default. you build your own userspace |
| 16:59.30 | Sarago | jelly-hme: aptitude install iceweasel gave me 3.0.6 |
| 16:59.35 | Dblur | how am i going to install this wireless card's drivers now :( |
| 17:00.09 | jelly-hme | Sarago: yeah, 3.0 is what's available in Debian 5 |
| 17:00.21 | wols | Dblur: what wlan chip? |
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| 17:00.22 | Titan8990 | Sarago: yep, that is right. If you want to stay bleeding-edge on your browser, you can always use upstream |
| 17:00.31 | Dblur | goes to look for that usb memory stick |
| 17:00.42 | Dblur | ralink 2570 i think |
| 17:00.43 | Titan8990 | Sarago: either upstream repo or upstream firefox has built-in updates |
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| 17:01.35 | dbbolton | Sarago: it gave you that version because it is the version for your default release. |
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| 17:02.17 | mamalujo | hello everyone. Um, is this some packaging bug: under lenny, attempts to install xmonad extensions (package libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev) fail, w synaptic saying it has unresolvable dependencies (depends libghc6-xmonad-dev =0.7.2 but 0.7.2+b1 is to be installed) |
| 17:02.35 | dbbolton | Dblur: how about using a cable |
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| 17:02.50 | Sarago | where do find information on getting the upstream version? |
| 17:02.55 | Titan8990 | mamalujo: aptitude install xmonad; pastebin the output |
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| 17:03.42 | Titan8990 | Sarago: mozilla.org. its a tarball... extract to your homedir or /opt, symlink to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, make a menu icon and done |
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| 17:04.35 | Titan8990 | I mean symlink the firefox executable, not the whole dir |
| 17:04.37 | dbbolton | Sarago: the mepis wiki has a decent article about building FF from source |
| 17:05.14 | Titan8990 | but why anyone would want to spend the next 30min compiling it... who is not running gentoo (which firefox is one of the few they offer binary for) |
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| 17:06.43 | dbbolton | Titan8990: i didn't say that anyone wanted to. i'm just mentioning that the option is there |
| 17:07.15 | Titan8990 | and I was just mentioning it doesn't sound like a fun option :) |
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| 17:08.54 | dbbolton | by default, iceweasel is built with some gnome options of which i am not particularly fond |
| 17:09.05 | mamalujo | Titan8990, you mean aptitude install libghc-xmonad-contrib-sev I presume; xmonad itself installed w/o problem, its that extensions package that refuses: http://pastebin.com/7NEMpe6Z |
| 17:09.22 | Sarago | how do you list files in .tar.bz2 |
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| 17:09.36 | Sarago | isn't it "tar -jt <file>" |
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| 17:10.17 | Titan8990 | mamalujo: apt-cache policy libghc6-xmonad-dev |
| 17:10.40 | jelly-hme | Sarago: newer GNU tar know they ought to run a filter, so just tar tvf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 17:11.33 | jelly-hme | Sarago: add j to the option set if that fails |
| 17:11.34 | mamalujo | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/HZxmUmfW |
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| 17:12.07 | Sarago | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.24 | jelly-hme | install it? |
| 17:12.46 | dbbolton | installing a program generally makes it easier to execute |
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| 17:13.20 | Sarago | haha, I guess I just assumed bzip2 is installed in base |
| 17:13.31 | jelly-hme | has a feeling of deja vu |
| 17:13.31 | nkuttler | tar suggests bzip2 |
| 17:13.52 | Titan8990 | ,verisons libghc6-xmonad-dev |
| 17:14.03 | Titan8990 | ,versions libghc6-xmonad-dev |
| 17:14.03 | judd | libghc6-xmonad-dev -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.1-2+b1; squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1 |
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| 17:17.47 | mamalujo | btw about exactly a year ago, I was using squeeze, and also had problems with this package, but figured, its a testing system, so had just compiled current upstream versions .. |
| 17:18.14 | Sarago | /opt/firefox-3.6.3/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:18.20 | Sarago | huh? |
| 17:18.56 | Vasistha | Sarago: 'locate libasound' |
| 17:18.56 | jelly-hme | Sarago: in essence, "too new for debian stable" |
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| 17:19.49 | Titan8990 | ,depends libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev --arch amd64 |
| 17:19.51 | jelly-hme | Sarago: is package libasound2 installed? (it probably is) |
| 17:19.51 | judd | libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev -- depends: ghc6 (>= 6.8.2), ghc6 (<< 6.8.2+), libghc6-mtl-dev (= 1.1.0.0-2), libghc6-x11-dev (= 1.4.2-1), libghc6-xmonad-dev (= 0.7-2), libx11-dev, libxinerama1. |
| 17:19.52 | Vasistha | Sarago: I have a /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 on my stable system. You may just need to install libasound2 |
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| 17:20.17 | Sarago | locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
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| 17:20.37 | Sarago | is libasound a package I need to install? |
| 17:20.50 | Vasistha | Sarago: updatedb (as root ... will take some time, but it is well worth it for the locate db!) |
| 17:20.51 | wols | Sarago: updatedb |
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| 17:20.58 | jelly-hme | Sarago: no, "libasound2" is. |
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| 17:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, sure are lots of xmms packages. I wonder why streamtuner doesn't pull in xmms, since that's all it's configured to use. |
| 17:21.30 | jhutchins_lt | !maint streamtuner |
| 17:21.59 | Sarago | after doing updatedb, locate returns nothing searching for libasound |
| 17:21.59 | Titan8990 | mamalujo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573841 |
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| 17:22.32 | dpkg | streamtuner: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org> |
| 17:23.04 | Vasistha | Sarago: yeah, so use aptitude to install libasound2 ... as we've been hinting... |
| 17:23.16 | smhar | anyone here using apt-cacher? |
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| 17:23.38 | spectre- | me |
| 17:23.38 | spectre- | whats up |
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| 17:23.46 | mamalujo | Titan8990, oh, thx, sorry for the trouble, should have checked first |
| 17:24.01 | a_l_e | hi, can anybody help look in the bug tracking system if a specific issue has already been raised? |
| 17:24.26 | spectre- | smhar, yes, whats your issue? |
| 17:24.32 | Vasistha | crapadoodle. Looks like I need to reboot. |
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| 17:24.45 | a_l_e | i just want to search for bugs reported on nfs and lock |
| 17:25.03 | Vasistha | hmm, probably restarting X will suffice |
| 17:25.11 | a_l_e | what do i have to put in "select bugs"? |
| 17:25.53 | Sarago | I seem to missing severaly things needed ... /opt/firefox-3.6.3/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:26.14 | Sarago | is there some meta package I can install to get the most common libraries needed? |
| 17:26.37 | Sarago | or is my only option to reinstall using the Desktop option |
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| 17:26.52 | smhar | spectre-, I have a 20GB partition for the packages, but it is full. I checked and there is an option in the conf file to replace old packages so I enabled it but nothing happened |
| 17:27.00 | a_l_e | didn't find anything... so... |
| 17:27.05 | jelly-hme | Sarago: that's definitely not your only option. |
| 17:27.27 | a_l_e | does anybody know why on debian testing suddenly i can't get any lock on a nfs driver anymore? |
| 17:27.52 | jelly-hme | Sarago: use eg. "/msg judd file lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2" to find the package that has it. Or install and use apt-file. |
| 17:28.10 | a_l_e | the client works debian testing and has been regularly updated. the server is a nas with some "proprietary" linux system. |
| 17:28.10 | jelly-hme | Sarago: there's probably lees than ten dependencies |
| 17:28.41 | a_l_e | ... i haven't updated the nas in a long time, so the problem is with my debian boxes (two computer have "suddenly" the same problem...) |
| 17:28.44 | spectre- | smhar, unfortunately i'm not aware of how to set a max size for cacher usage, but i do know that replacement options in the conf file only relate to how and when packages are replaced |
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| 17:29.27 | spectre- | either based on if there's a newer one (which makes a check each time a package is requested) |
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| 17:29.36 | spectre- | or based on file-age |
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| 17:29.44 | smhar | spectre-, I think it related to new installed packages. but what about the already installed ones? |
| 17:29.45 | jelly-hme | Sarago: repeat until Mozilla's firefox stops complaining |
| 17:29.52 | oznt | hi guys, a quick one: can I make a Makefile, with different options for different compilers ? |
| 17:30.05 | spectre- | i've been wondering the same thing, honestly |
| 17:30.22 | smhar | spectre-, I am thinking of moving all the packages to temp and try the script that moves them to packages |
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| 17:30.26 | spectre- | i was looking for a way to tell apt-cacher to max out at X size and then replace based on usage |
| 17:30.31 | spectre- | like squid cache does |
| 17:30.45 | a_l_e | ok, i've found a bug report for it... |
| 17:30.46 | a_l_e | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524157 |
| 17:30.53 | spectre- | but haven't figured it out :/ |
| 17:30.59 | spectre- | sorry |
| 17:31.02 | mordocai | Hello, i'm trying to follow the nvidia graphics driver installation guide using module assistant, and the build fails. I have this log http://debian.pastebin.com/34JTpwSd. I don't really know what's wrong, do you guys? |
| 17:31.02 | Sarago | jelly-hme: thanks |
| 17:31.11 | a_l_e | there is no real workaround... does anybody have a hint? |
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| 17:32.00 | mordocai | a_l_e: Well, that bug report says building from source fixes... |
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| 17:32.30 | a_l_e | mordocai: well, i guess that i don't know how to build nfs-common from source... |
| 17:32.50 | wols | aapt-get source nfs-common ? |
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| 17:33.03 | mordocai | a_l_e: Oh, well you should be able to do apt-get source nfs-common and then unpack the archive, and read INSTALL |
| 17:33.30 | a_l_e | mordocai, wols: will the package built from source get replaced by the next binary package coming out? |
| 17:33.34 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell a_l_e about ssb |
| 17:33.50 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: you'll have to hold your local one, /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:34.28 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: since you're only rebuilding the same version, omit step 1) from the ssb procedure |
| 17:34.44 | a_l_e | jelly-hme: i do want to normally update in the future... |
| 17:35.07 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: unhold it when you feel like it |
| 17:35.16 | a_l_e | do i have to hold it or not? |
| 17:35.23 | a_l_e | i'm a bit puzzled, sorry. |
| 17:35.28 | Titan8990 | !tell a_l_e about package recompile |
| 17:35.57 | a_l_e | sorry, those dpkg messages confuse me more than they help me... |
| 17:36.14 | a_l_e | i have the feeling that 90% of the informations in there don't match my problem... |
| 17:36.37 | a_l_e | i just want to know if apt-get source nfs-common will break my normal updates through aptitude. |
| 17:36.48 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: it won't |
| 17:37.07 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: however, that command doesn't do much by itself. |
| 17:37.42 | xingu | a_l_e: I'd tend to take the view that any update will fix the situation, myself |
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| 17:37.56 | a_l_e | xingu: the problem is that i'm stuck with my work :-( |
| 17:38.08 | a_l_e | i can't synchronize my computers anymore... |
| 17:38.27 | xingu | a_l_e: your build will have the same version as the currently installed one |
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| 17:38.33 | xingu | a_l_e: any updates will superceed it |
| 17:38.47 | xingu | s/ceed/sede/ |
| 17:39.11 | a_l_e | yep, this is what i want... |
| 17:39.44 | mordocai | hmm... well that's wierd. It appears kbuild wasn't automatically installed by m-a. Oh well |
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| 17:40.23 | xingu | mordocai: not even m-a prepare? |
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| 17:41.01 | a_l_e | "dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb" will install nfs-common in a way that it will updated as soon as a new version shows up? |
| 17:41.07 | mordocai | xingu: Well, i was just doing auto-install. (Follow nvidia graphics driver howto). |
| 17:42.03 | the0rkus | I have a Debian LiveUSB that I'm wanting to install debian from, I have booted into the USB but now, how do I install debian to the partitioned hard drive? |
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| 17:42.43 | a_l_e | where is the .package places by apt-get source? |
| 17:42.58 | Titan8990 | the0rkus: debian live is not an installer. however, you can use debootstrap |
| 17:43.08 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:43.09 | Titan8990 | !tell the0rkus about debootstrap |
| 17:43.26 | a_l_e | where is the .package places by apt-get source? |
| 17:43.33 | a_l_e | where is the package placed by apt-get source? |
| 17:43.34 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: apt-get source foo just gets the source and unpacks it, in current directory. |
| 17:43.35 | a_l_e | voilà . |
| 17:43.41 | the0rkus | Titan8990: cheers! :) |
| 17:44.00 | a_l_e | ok |
| 17:44.10 | a_l_e | i go back to reading dpkg... |
| 17:44.18 | jelly-hme | a_l_e: yes, please do. |
| 17:45.20 | the0rkus | Titan8990: I don't think it'll work with a PS3 running from a Debian USB |
| 17:45.34 | mordocai | Hmm... so anyone know what can cause this kind of error? http://debian.pastebin.com/34JTpwSd. Manual compilation and m-a build and m-a autoinstall are giving the same error there. |
| 17:45.46 | wise_crypt | !webmin |
| 17:45.47 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:46.10 | a_l_e | ok, it's compiling... |
| 17:46.10 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell wise_crypt about msg the bot |
| 17:46.24 | Titan8990 | mordocai: that doesn't appear to provide any useful errors.. |
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| 17:46.37 | mordocai | Titan8990: That's what i thought... anyway to make it provide more useful ones? |
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| 17:47.41 | Titan8990 | mordocai: your running squeeze? |
| 17:47.55 | Titan8990 | ,versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:47.56 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4 |
| 17:48.05 | the0rkus | all good, I got it :) |
| 17:48.16 | mordocai | Titan8990: Yeah, I was told it was better for the desktop... i'm starting to regret not going with stable |
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| 17:48.36 | Titan8990 | !tell mordocai about moving target |
| 17:48.58 | Titan8990 | !tell mordocai about nvidia squeeze |
| 17:49.32 | Titan8990 | the factoid recommends the nvidia driver from sid |
| 17:49.33 | mordocai | Titan8990: Okay, thanks |
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| 17:50.01 | Shadow_7 | Why has installing debian gotten harder? devpts didn't happen for me, I had to add it manually. apt-file doesn't have the Contents.* stuff to work. And the first DVD doesn't have IceWM and other needed tools for a base installation. |
| 17:50.38 | a_l_e | installing from source didn't solve the problem... i still can't get a lock on the nfs driver. |
| 17:51.18 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: apt-file fails on the security repo which doesn't have one. the 150mb netinst cd has everything needed for base installation |
| 17:51.39 | Shadow_7 | And compiling a custom kernel from source. Even one you used on your last debian version. Forget about booting that with grub2. |
| 17:51.57 | a_l_e | can i restore the situation like it was before installing the source package? |
| 17:52.07 | Shadow_7 | I figured that all I needed was DVD 1 of the 5 dvd set + 6th updates. |
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| 17:52.21 | Dblur | does gcc and make have any dependences ? |
| 17:52.21 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: if you build it with kernel-package update-grub will add it just fine like any other debian kernel |
| 17:52.26 | Shadow_7 | Technically it was with quirks. |
| 17:52.35 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: just the netinst |
| 17:52.54 | Dblur | first i cant extract the driver because bzip2 doesnt exist and now make and gcc dont |
| 17:53.02 | Dblur | ...so i cant even compile the damn thing :) |
| 17:53.05 | Shadow_7 | Titan8990: then I'm sure there's a README in the base of that DVD with those instructions? |
| 17:53.17 | Dblur | suggestions? the machine doesnt have access to the internet |
| 17:53.33 | a_l_e | well... just removed nfs-common... and i will reinstall it... |
| 17:53.41 | Titan8990 | !tell Shadow_7 about ig |
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| 17:56.04 | Shadow_7 | In my case I needed ndiswrapper to access the internet, so going completely from memory for the most part. You used to not "NEED" two computers to install one with linux. |
| 17:56.38 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: what card do you have? |
| 17:57.25 | Shadow_7 | the kind that's poorly supported and on a laptop. |
| 17:57.25 | Shadow_7 | b43 loaded, but said access (WEBSITE) for firmware... |
| 17:57.40 | Shadow_7 | bcm4318 |
| 17:57.42 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: there is a section in the install guide for uploading firmware. |
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| 17:58.23 | Shadow_7 | and the install guide in on the DVD? |
| 17:58.41 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: don't know, I have never used one of the dvds |
| 17:59.07 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: I have never been in a situation where I couldn't plug something in a switch for installation either |
| 17:59.19 | Shadow_7 | I used to just need the first 2 CDs. 4 if I wanted a few extras (of 18) like IceWM. |
| 17:59.32 | simonrvn | i don't see why usig a dvd would be any different than say a netinst cd.... |
| 17:59.35 | Shadow_7 | Doing the math / 1 DVD = ~5 CDs |
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| 18:03.51 | Shadow_7 | Hmmm. /install/README.html on the DVD. A lot easier to find when you're not 80x24 and netless. |
| 18:04.53 | mirak_ | hi |
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| 18:05.09 | mirak_ | is it possible to put grub inside à LVM partition ? |
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| 18:05.18 | puty | puty |
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| 18:07.54 | Shadow_7 | online installations guides do nothing when you have no access (one of many reasons to use the DVDs). online drivers do nothing if you need online access to get the drivers that provide online access. |
| 18:08.42 | aguitel | !tell aguitel gparte |
| 18:09.02 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: the firmware is a pre-planned step. you just need to download the firmware to usb stick and will be prompted during installation if you want to use it |
| 18:09.04 | aguitel | !tell aguitel nvidia |
| 18:09.11 | Titan8990 | !tell aguitel about selftell |
| 18:09.49 | aguitel | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 18:10.24 | simonrvn | Shadow_7: usb keys |
| 18:10.39 | simonrvn | so it's kinda moot... |
| 18:10.39 | Titan8990 | Shadow_7: its not like you are installing gentoo |
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| 18:12.33 | mirak_ | how can you chainload with grub and os installed inside LVM partitions ? |
| 18:12.48 | valdyn | mirak_: not |
| 18:13.12 | mirak_ | valdyn, well I tried to install grub bootloader inside a lvm partition and it doesn't work |
| 18:13.20 | valdyn | mirak_: thats what i said |
| 18:13.39 | simonrvn | uh, you need /boot on a real partition mirak_ |
| 18:13.41 | valdyn | mirak_: "os" cant be on lvm, but its enough if just /boot is not on lvm |
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| 18:14.10 | frostschutz | didn't grub2 add lvm support or sth? ;) |
| 18:14.21 | valdyn | we're talking about grub though |
| 18:14.29 | mirak_ | simonrvn, valdyn that's not exactly the issue I am talking about, because grub2 can boot on /boot in lvm |
| 18:14.45 | mirak_ | frostschutz, yes, I use grub2 |
| 18:14.48 | frostschutz | even so, I prefer non-lvm boot :) |
| 18:14.49 | valdyn | mirak_: if you *mean* grub2, say *grub2* |
| 18:15.21 | valdyn | mirak_: the master boot record cant be on lvm though obviously, if thats what you really are asking |
| 18:15.35 | mirak_ | valdyn, most of the time you don't tell the version number of a software |
| 18:15.45 | Shadow_7 | Titan8990: Actually I burned 3 discs in preparation for my re-installation. One of which was gentoo. |
| 18:15.52 | valdyn | mirak_: the version number is 1.98, but its grub2 |
| 18:15.56 | simonrvn | in this case it's need because both exist in parallel |
| 18:15.59 | mirak_ | valdyn, lol yes |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | needed* |
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| 18:16.26 | Shadow_7 | Booted, but the gui was dark. Cntrl+Alt+F1 got me to a usable console. It's what I used to mkfs the partions. |
| 18:16.44 | valdyn | mirak_: grub2 can load anything from lvm2 volumes, but grub2 is plugin based, you might have to add plugins manually |
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| 18:17.20 | mirak_ | simonrvn, yes, and you know it, that's why you asked me |
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| 18:17.51 | mirak_ | valdyn, I use gpt, and the bios boot partition where grub puts core.img |
| 18:18.14 | Shadow_7 | I thought about installing gentoo since debian was being difficult, but their on installation medium instructions were just as bad. Worse yet in that whatever install liveDVD to HDD method that might exist doesn't start with g. |
| 18:18.28 | Shadow_7 | s/on/own/ |
| 18:18.41 | mirak_ | valdyn, I think you can't boot on a lvm or md raid /boot without that |
| 18:19.43 | valdyn | mirak_: im not sure i understand you correnctly but yes, grub-install needs to be able to put core.img to a location findable by your bios |
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| 18:20.03 | valdyn | mirak_: everything else can be on md raid or lvm or both or whatever |
| 18:20.28 | mirak_ | valdyn, I think it's more a location findable by the grub code in the bootsector |
| 18:20.40 | valdyn | mirak_: thats equivalent |
| 18:20.42 | mirak_ | valdyn, the mbr I mean |
| 18:21.07 | valdyn | mirak_: the mbr just has a pointer to that location |
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| 18:22.15 | mirak_ | valdyn, I though there was executable code in there |
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| 18:22.34 | valdyn | mirak_: sure, but not a hardware driver |
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| 18:26.21 | Argafal | if i have cronjobs on a machine which is not running 24/7, how would take care that the cronjobs are still executed regularly? |
| 18:26.26 | mirak_ | valdyn, so is there a way to chainload, or it doesn't make sens ? |
| 18:26.55 | mirak_ | sense |
| 18:26.56 | valdyn | Argafal: install anacron |
| 18:27.08 | valdyn | mirak_: i very much doubt any boot loader is made for this |
| 18:27.14 | Argafal | valdyn: thanks, i will go and read about anacron. |
| 18:27.22 | valdyn | mirak_: though it makes sense |
| 18:27.46 | valdyn | mirak_: you would have to run a boot loader from a location that it cant be self aware of |
| 18:27.53 | valdyn | mirak_: i have no idea if that would work |
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| 18:30.29 | valdyn | mirak_: however it should work as in you can try and see if it crashes |
| 18:31.03 | mirak_ | valdyn, because I have a main boot partition wich doesn't really have an OS or a kernel. the grub.cfg is acceced from the grub in the MBR. So I still can boot the kernels that are in the real os partitions from there. However when an OS updates it's kernel version, then it would have to modify the initial grub.cfg. And I don't know how I could do that. That's the only thing that bothers me. Because I will need to edit it by hand each time |
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| 18:31.52 | mirak_ | valdyn, grub complains when I try to install in the device /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv |
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| 18:32.14 | mirak_ | grub-install --root-directory=./linux --no-floppy --recheck /dev/mapper/vdrbox-linux |
| 18:32.15 | mirak_ | grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk. This is a BAD idea. |
| 18:32.15 | mirak_ | grub-setup: error: Embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. |
| 18:32.18 | abrotman | can't he just use grub2 and be done ? |
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| 18:32.29 | mirak_ | abrotman, I use grub2 |
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| 18:32.35 | johabba | doh |
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| 18:32.52 | abrotman | mirak_: are you chainloading it ? |
| 18:33.17 | valdyn | mirak_: that command fucks up the filesystem on /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv |
| 18:33.18 | mirak_ | abrotman, that's what I am trying to do, but as you can see it complains it can't embed |
| 18:33.42 | abrotman | why are you trying to do that? why not just take grub1 out of the equation? or isn't tha tpossible ? |
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| 18:35.03 | mirak_ | valdyn, I am not 100% sure about that, other wise you couldn't put grub in a "partition bootsector" and realise a chainload. Or I missed something. |
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| 18:35.57 | valdyn | mirak_: a lvm volume is not a partition... |
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| 18:36.34 | mirak_ | abrotman, I use grub2, I don't understand what you mean. what I want is just do chainloading, though i don't know if that makes sens yet, as valdyn explain |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | i was asking if you're using grub1 to chainload grub2 |
| 18:37.17 | mirak_ | valdyn, well I though the purpose of LVM was to abstract the hardware, not to have a totally different behavior |
| 18:37.38 | mirak_ | valdyn, I mean a device is a device |
| 18:37.42 | valdyn | mirak_: thats true, but grub-install os deabstracting the device |
| 18:38.10 | mirak_ | abrotman, no, full grub2 |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | mirak_: grub2: "what bios device is /dev/sda" works, but "what bios device is /dev/mapper/foo" cant work the same |
| 18:39.03 | valdyn | mirak_: grub-install isnt made for this as we can see |
| 18:39.31 | valdyn | mirak_: that doesnt mean that you cant work around that though, but maybe its easier finding a supported solution |
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| 18:42.29 | mirak_ | valdyn, in fact, I was thinking that the first grub doesn't necessarily need to find the "bootsector". what could be acceptable for what I want is that grub reloads itself with the /dev/mapper/foo/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:43.24 | mirak_ | or that it can directly chainload on it's stage2 in /dev/mapper/foo/boot/grub/ |
| 18:44.19 | valdyn | mirak_: stage2 already needs to be loaded to make grub2 find /dev/mapper/foo/boot/grub/ |
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| 18:45.34 | valdyn | mirak_: why is there no disk that you can put that second grub2 on? |
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| 18:46.17 | mirak_ | valdyn, my setup is gpt < md raid < lvm |
| 18:46.34 | valdyn | mirak_: irrelevant, you must have multiple disks |
| 18:46.51 | mirak_ | valdyn, I wasn't answering to that |
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| 18:47.13 | valdyn | mirak_: maybe all your disks are in a raid directly, not the partition on the disk |
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| 18:47.36 | mirak_ | valdyn, the lvm have a /bootgrub and / of other linuxes wich all have independ /boot partitions. |
| 18:47.50 | valdyn | mirak_: doesnt matter |
| 18:48.01 | valdyn | mirak_: you must have a disk that is usable |
| 18:48.13 | valdyn | mirak_: as in sda or sdb or sdc |
| 18:48.22 | mirak_ | valdyn, I tried to do that, but that's not recommanded. I mean have the fulldrive in mdraid and create a partition table in /dev/md0 |
| 18:48.38 | mirak_ | valdyn, it's not documented enough to play safe for me |
| 18:48.38 | valdyn | mirak_: so thats your problem |
| 18:48.49 | valdyn | mirak_: you shouldnt put plain disks into raid |
| 18:49.06 | valdyn | mirak_: partitions of whatever type is better |
| 18:49.19 | mirak_ | valdyn, I abandonned this approach, so I am doing it the traditionnal way, with md raid on partitions. |
| 18:49.32 | valdyn | mirak_: exactly, great |
| 18:49.59 | valdyn | mirak_: i have that setup, so i have ~10 disks i could boot from |
| 18:51.03 | mirak_ | valdyn, so as I said, the first grub in the mbr can find /bootgrub, because I use gpt, and created a little 8 mbyte partition where grub can put it's core.img with the drivers that allows him to read dmraid and LVM directly |
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| 18:51.33 | valdyn | mirak_: core.img is not read as a file when booting |
| 18:51.36 | jhutchins | Is xsane for some idiotic reason configured to look for only USB scanners? |
| 18:51.47 | valdyn | mirak_: core.img is copied ( "embedded" ) |
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| 18:52.06 | mirak_ | valdyn, now someone told me on #grub that I can emulate chaineload by making the first grub loading /dev/mapper/foo/boot/grub/grub.cfg with the help of the configfile option |
| 18:52.10 | valdyn | mirak_: or i take it, you want to do it without embedding too now |
| 18:52.25 | valdyn | mirak_: ah, cool |
| 18:52.42 | mirak_ | valdyn, so since I have a full linux system, it's ok |
| 18:53.46 | mirak_ | valdyn, yes i think that's the problem, grub2 can't find space to embed itself in the lvm partition. |
| 18:54.29 | mirak_ | and grub2 probably couldn't find it's core.img if it's on lvm, wich is what chainloading with lvm would imply |
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| 18:55.29 | mirak_ | maybe what could work is that grub2 looks in the bootbios partition for the intial core.img, but well loading config files is enough |
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| 18:56.13 | ACKT1C | what are trolls |
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| 18:56.38 | ACKT1C | what are trolls |
| 18:56.59 | nsadmin | someone with your nick just got banned from #ubuntu |
| 18:57.03 | ACKT1C | whats that slapping noise |
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| 18:57.11 | ACKT1C | thanks for noticing |
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| 18:57.29 | abrotman | ACKT1C: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 18:57.34 | ACKT1C | happens more often than i'd like to admit |
| 18:57.39 | ACKT1C | yes |
| 18:57.42 | ACKT1C | yes i do |
| 18:57.59 | ACKT1C | abrotman: why does the debian installer not recognize my pcmcia |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | ACKT1C: which installer are you using? |
| 18:58.24 | ACKT1C | mini.iso installer from the debian.org website |
| 18:58.43 | jhutchins | Ah, it merely fails to add users to the scanner group. |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | be more explicit |
| 18:58.55 | abrotman | jhutchins: you mean the admin failed to do that? |
| 18:59.23 | ACKT1C | explicit |
| 18:59.28 | ACKT1C | ok... |
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| 18:59.32 | jhutchins | abrotman: I have yet to determine which systems that use group control automatically add users and which don't. |
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| 18:59.57 | ACKT1C | my typewriter isn't loud enough to communicate with the aliens on the wall that paint pictures of colors |
| 18:59.57 | valdyn | debian ever adds users to groups automatically? |
| 18:59.58 | abrotman | jhutchins: you sohuld assume they do not |
| 19:00.19 | abrotman | valdyn: when th einstaller runs, the first user created typically gets added to a few |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | IIRC |
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| 19:00.33 | ACKT1C | is that a challenge? |
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| 19:00.43 | valdyn | that should be the only time |
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| 19:01.24 | ACKT1C | i'm trying to use cell phone capable hardware to call installations with a debian installer |
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| 19:01.38 | steve | hey all |
| 19:01.46 | ACKT1C | to taze the martians out of my head |
| 19:02.01 | ACKT1C | a11 or all |
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| 19:02.14 | steve | can anyone suggest what might cause / to be mounted as readonly, without any signs of filesystem corruption and such? |
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| 19:02.42 | Luyza | Is there anything wrong with this cmd? if eval "ping -c 1 www.google.com"; then |
| 19:02.42 | Luyza | curl "http://rss.accuweather.com/rss/liveweather_rss.asp?metric=0&locCode=08009">/home/wish/.conky/conky_weather/weather |
| 19:02.42 | Luyza | fi |
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| 19:02.57 | ACKT1C | what makes you say its read only |
| 19:03.00 | abrotman | Luyza: #bash |
| 19:03.05 | mordocai | Anyone know why *.debian.net are out? |
| 19:03.11 | ACKT1C | what you got |
| 19:03.20 | Luyza | abrotman, thanks I didnt know they had a channel here |
| 19:03.33 | Luyza | abrotman, nevermind, they DONT have a channel here |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | Luyza: yes, they do |
| 19:03.48 | Luyza | Oh. there is . wtfff |
| 19:04.00 | abrotman | mordocai: http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel .. probably related |
| 19:04.22 | Luyza | abrotman, I joined and there were only 1 person, me. So it must have been lag |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | Luyza: /join #bash ? |
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| 19:04.40 | abrotman | eh .. /list #bash says 474 people ? |
| 19:04.52 | mikaelj | lol |
| 19:05.01 | jhutchins | Umax Astra 610S does NOT like a scan being canceled. |
| 19:05.13 | ACKT1C | how did you get a list |
| 19:05.53 | ACKT1C | death star |
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| 19:06.58 | abrotman | ACKT1C: please stop spouting random nonsense |
| 19:07.11 | ACKT1C | or what |
| 19:07.18 | ACKT1C | who paid you to say that |
| 19:07.23 | ACKT1C | WHO |
| 19:07.34 | ACKT1C | my who caps use to be bigger |
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| 19:08.42 | ACKT1C | u bitches ain't shit |
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| 19:14.30 | smhar | in my lenny server , I am getting this error trying to update the repos: Failed to fetch http://192.168.1.10:3142/security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch - (I am using apt-cacher) |
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| 19:15.15 | abrotman | can you clear the cache on the cacher ? |
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| 19:19.46 | Shadow_7 | smhar: perhaps your keyring is out of sync? |
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| 19:32.11 | masu3701 | i create a share on my server..i can access it but how can i write to it? as of now i can only get things out..cant put in |
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| 19:36.21 | masu3701 | ? |
| 19:36.55 | wols | pastebin your smb.conf |
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| 19:42.12 | qwd | I'm trying to convert a pdf to djvu. The background is grayish and I want the resulting document to be black (foreground) and white (background). Anyone know how to do this? I can't figure out what to use. I've tried with pdf2djvu. I also downloaded djvulibre-bin and looked through man some but no luck. |
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| 19:42.33 | Luyza | Can I ask about cron problems here? |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | you can try |
| 19:44.00 | Luyza | Ok. I have a cron job on /etc/crontab, but it never seems to run. Here it is: # weather script - run it every half hour |
| 19:44.00 | Luyza | 30 * * * * /etc/conky/weather_script.sh |
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| 19:44.19 | Luyza | The weather script has the right path, and yes, its chmod +xx |
| 19:44.22 | Luyza | *+x |
| 19:44.33 | Sarago | what is lxterm? |
| 19:44.44 | wols | ,versions lxterm |
| 19:44.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lxterm' was found. |
| 19:44.54 | wols | Sarago: it sounds like some xterm variant |
| 19:45.12 | mikaelj | Sarago: sounds like a terminal for lxde |
| 19:45.16 | Luyza | wols, lxterm (1) - locale-sensitive wrapper for xterm |
| 19:45.19 | Sarago | that is what is set as /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:45.28 | wols | Sarago: google it. "lxterm(1x) lxterm(1x) NAME lxterm - locale-sensitive wrapper for xterm SYNOPSIS lxterm" |
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| 19:45.50 | wols | Sarago: and next time, do it BEFORE asking here |
| 19:45.57 | Luyza | Also, cron is running, i checked with ps aux |
| 19:46.12 | Sarago | do I not have my locale set correctly and that is why lxterm did not have meta sending escape? |
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| 19:46.26 | Sarago | wols: chill |
| 19:47.33 | abrotman | Luyza: put your script in a pastebin |
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| 19:48.09 | Luyza | abrotman, the script works from command line, I have been using it for months |
| 19:48.33 | abrotman | Luyza: put your script in a pastebin |
| 19:48.42 | Luyza | Gee if you really want it that bad |
| 19:48.56 | Luyza | abrotman, http://www.pastebin.lt/view/71654195 |
| 19:50.03 | Luyza | So I take it that the crontab is correct? |
| 19:50.03 | Luyza | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.03 | Luyza | 30 * * * * /etc/conky/weather_script.sh |
| 19:50.16 | Shadow_7 | qwd: You might try a2ps and ps2djvu. Just a thought. Not much experience with djvu myself. |
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| 19:50.39 | wols | Luyza: return 1 on error, like your ping, then cron should mail you about it |
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| 19:50.59 | abrotman | Luyza: you might want to try to set the $PATH |
| 19:51.09 | Luyza | abrotman, where and why? |
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| 19:51.25 | abrotman | Luyza: what path does the script have when it runs? |
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| 19:51.33 | abrotman | $PATH i mean |
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| 19:52.16 | dbbolton | how can i make a debian/rules call scons rather than make? |
| 19:52.43 | Luyza | abrotman, isnt sed and egrep and bash on cron's path? |
| 19:53.08 | Luyza | Isn't /bin/* on all users path? |
| 19:53.20 | Sarago | I can't seem to find this by USING GOOGLE FIRST(for wols) why does lxterm not send escape with the meta key but xterm does |
| 19:53.58 | Sarago | the locale utility reported my locale lang set as en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:55.47 | Luyza | Hmmmm lets see... |
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| 19:58.35 | abrotman | Luyza: ISTR that ping has an exit code also |
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| 19:58.46 | Luyza | ISTR? |
| 19:59.16 | wols | !istr |
| 19:59.16 | dpkg | somebody said istr was I seem to recall/remember |
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| 19:59.32 | Luyza | Ah |
| 19:59.40 | Dblur | how do i check if a drive is mounted or is in use? |
| 19:59.49 | Luyza | Dblur, just type mount |
| 20:00.02 | wols | mounted: mount, in used (has files open): fuser or lsof |
| 20:00.09 | Dblur | ntfs-3g thinks its in use but /etc/fstab knows nothing about the drive and i didnt mount it manually |
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| 20:00.21 | Dblur | its not in the list |
| 20:00.31 | wols | what does "mount" say? |
| 20:00.41 | Dblur | ntfs-3g wants me to add "force to the mount command |
| 20:00.51 | Dblur | the drive isnt listed there |
| 20:01.57 | smhar | how to update the keyring |
| 20:02.09 | smhar | for lenny |
| 20:02.20 | wols | by installing the package |
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| 20:03.07 | smhar | I am getting this error updating the repos: Failed to fetch http://192.168.1.10:3142/security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | can you clear the cache on the cacher ? |
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| 20:06.03 | abrotman | waits for smhar to ask 20 minutes later |
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| 20:06.22 | smhar | abrotman, I got error before so I am moving all the packages to import directory and importing them again to apt-cacher.. will trying cleaning the cache then |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | smhar: FWIW .. i've had much better success with approx |
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| 20:06.59 | smhar | abrotman, sorry .. I tried many other things before to solve my apt-cacher problem |
| 20:07.15 | smhar | abrotman, never tried approx before.. will read about it... |
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| 20:07.57 | smhar | abrotman, does it allow importing packages locally? ie. copying debs from another computer and keeping them in its cache? |
| 20:08.29 | abrotman_ | smhar: i don't see why not as long as they're up to date |
| 20:09.28 | smhar | abrotman, apt-cacher has a script that moves all packages to its caches properly |
| 20:09.40 | abrotman_ | smhar: uhm .. mv works ? |
| 20:09.58 | abrotman_ | smhar: i don't recall .. but i'd guess it would work to just copy them in |
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| 20:10.35 | smhar | abrotman, no... I even reinstalled debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring debian-maintainers but gor the same : Failed to fetch http://192.168.1.10:3142/security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | smhar: can you mv the Packages.bz2 and have it refetch that file ? |
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| 20:15.17 | smhar | abrotman, will try this. |
| 20:15.37 | smhar | abrotman, I am trying a a script called: apt-cacher-cleanup.pl, it is taking some time |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | smhar: really .. look at approx |
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| 20:16.59 | smhar | abrotman, googling about it right now |
| 20:17.05 | abrotman | !approx |
| 20:17.07 | abrotman | bleh |
| 20:17.14 | abrotman | smhar: aptitude show appro |
| 20:17.16 | abrotman | smhar: aptitude show approx |
| 20:17.44 | smhar | abrotman, I meant googling about their features and limitations |
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| 20:18.57 | Lumee | hi |
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| 20:21.59 | Lumee | hi |
| 20:22.26 | Lumee | someone know what that bash command means? |
| 20:22.27 | Lumee | exec 5<>/dev/tcp/www.net.cn/80 |
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| 20:23.57 | Vasistha | Lumee: it sets up a redirect file descriptor (I think that's the terminology) even if I'm wrong about the terminology, the effect is now you can e.g. echo hi >>&5 and "hi" will be appended to /dev/tcp/www.net.cn/80 |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | or ask #bash |
| 20:24.24 | Vasistha | oh, huh, this is not #bash is it |
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| 20:24.38 | hideo | it goes to .cn, looks suspicious |
| 20:24.57 | hideo | also debian's bash doesn't enable that by default |
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| 20:25.20 | Vasistha | exec 5<> works by default I believe, but I've never seen /dev/tcp/whatever |
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| 20:26.35 | Lumee | Vasistha: I was trying to use socket from bash, i saw this simple manual that works fine, but I didn't know how worked http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2006/05/23/bash-socket-programming-with-devtcp-2/ |
| 20:26.53 | Lumee | /dev/tcp and /dev/udp looks like doesn't exist, but you can use them |
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| 20:27.02 | Vasistha | Lumee: oh, and you can also read input from fd5 as well, e.g. read var <&5 |
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| 20:27.45 | Lumee | with this 3 commands you can download google index.html |
| 20:28.50 | hideo | why is that relevant in here? |
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| 20:30.50 | mordocai | So, i couldn't get any error messages or find anything in the logs... (hence why i'm not submitting a bug report) but was wondering what to do about the following problem: With a desktop install of debian testing x86_64, using the 'nv' driver for my nvidia 9800 gtx, I was having silent crashes every few minutes, causing the computer to go into a wierd state that i had to cut power to restore it. After installing the binary nvidia drivers, this appears to |
| 20:30.50 | mordocai | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.24 | Dblur | ok got it to mount clearly |
| 20:31.42 | Dblur | now in /etc/fstab what could i add under options and dump/pass ? |
| 20:31.58 | Dblur | its an ntfs drive using ntfs-3g to mount it |
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| 20:32.06 | Spalis | http://www.freeps3.tv/?i=47470 hi check this out |
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| 20:38.09 | StefanNET | I have problems with debian on 64 bit |
| 20:38.10 | StefanNET | ;S |
| 20:38.31 | dimir | This is so sad. ;( |
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| 20:38.48 | hideo | let us check our crystal ball to see what your problems are... |
| 20:38.58 | StefanNET | yeah |
| 20:39.03 | StefanNET | i will reinstall to debian 32 bit xD |
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| 20:39.57 | masu3701 | what do i need to be able to access my file server from outside my network |
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| 20:42.34 | mordocai | masu3701: Well, you'll need a way to get to the server... so either a static IP or DynDns(preferably a static ip). Then you'll have to set up port forwarding on the router and open the ports in any firewalls you have. |
| 20:42.55 | mordocai | StefanNET: I'm using 64-bit |
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| 20:43.14 | masu3701 | mordocai: i have a startic ip...i set it up |
| 20:43.33 | StefanNET | well too late |
| 20:43.44 | StefanNET | I'm trying to install cs so i don't have 64 bit |
| 20:43.59 | mordocai | Lol, no biggie anyways. I just prefer 64-bit because it compiles slightly faster... and i compile a lot |
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| 20:47.25 | Lightkey | uhm, so.. after the upgrade to aptitude 0.6, when I try to do an upgrade, it just does not stop at resolving dependencies, since it had eaten all my RAM and swap, I aborted it at open: 161911; closed: 132265; defer: 124234; conflict: 21 |
| 20:47.32 | Lightkey | how to fix it? |
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| 20:57.15 | JairunCaloth | I tried to add the nonfree repository to my sources.list and recieve this error when I apt-get update |
| 20:57.18 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/giz24Xkw |
| 20:57.34 | JairunCaloth | something tells me I"m doing it wrong |
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| 20:58.20 | abrotman_ | JairunCaloth: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman_ | and FWIW .. there's a UGA mirror i believe |
| 20:59.30 | JairunCaloth | abrotman_: Figured it out. I'll look into the UGA mirror too, thanks :) |
| 21:00.16 | Schuenemann | can anyone help me do port forwarding in lenny? I set up a static IP address and configured the linksys router config page, but it still says it closed. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/vX4E9E6L and here is router config: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4538/portrangeforward.png |
| 21:01.22 | abrotman | Schuenemann: that's probably more a router problem than a #debian problem |
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| 21:02.14 | Schuenemann | abrotman, maybe the problem is my static IP config? Perhaps I missed something |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | can the computer use the internet ? |
| 21:02.41 | Schuenemann | yes |
| 21:02.48 | abrotman | sounds like it works fine |
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| 21:03.14 | Schuenemann | is there something like a default firewall? |
| 21:03.26 | Schuenemann | that could block those ports |
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| 21:03.39 | streuner_ | no |
| 21:04.29 | mordocai | Schuenemann: Iptables is installed by default, but it isn't configured to block anything. (At least on my machine). |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | it's not .. |
| 21:04.39 | abrotman | Schuenemann: ask #networking |
| 21:05.08 | Schuenemann | sigh... I'll try |
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| 21:17.54 | Schuenemann | how do I check if I have any iptables rule? |
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| 21:18.53 | Vroomfondle | Schuenemann: iptables -L |
| 21:18.55 | Vroomfondle | as root |
| 21:19.22 | Schuenemann | thx |
| 21:19.27 | Schuenemann | I have nothing |
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| 21:30.10 | AivarasKivilius | Hello, I have one question: I run debian server with lighttpd and cgi-php5 If I don't use web site, memory usage is stable, but if I use it it jumps, and newer get back. It it OK? |
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| 21:30.23 | aarcane | so uh, I just found out that the system running my router has a 64 bit processor.. is there any evidence to support that a 64 bit linux router is better than a 32 bit Linux router? (I'll be running debian on it in a few weeks) |
| 21:30.47 | Vroomfondle | No. |
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| 21:31.29 | blip2 | you never know it might be better with ipv6 :] |
| 21:31.34 | Vroomfondle | no reason why a router should need to use 64-bit numbers or access large amounts of RAM |
| 21:31.37 | Vroomfondle | heh, maybe |
| 21:32.27 | Dblur | so, |
| 21:32.36 | Dblur | didnt find anything regarding arabic support |
| 21:32.42 | AivarasKivilius | And how to fix it? I've done some script by monit (Then ram usage more then 75% restart lighttpd). |
| 21:33.16 | Dblur | wants to know how to enable UTF-8 for filenames on a headless server |
| 21:34.18 | aarcane | any evidence suggesting that 64 bit performs more poorly than 32 bit ? |
| 21:34.24 | aarcane | for a router I mean |
| 21:35.20 | mordocai | aarcane: I don't believe there is evidence either way |
| 21:35.22 | AivarasKivilius | What is the best (easy to use ) FTP server on debian? |
| 21:35.31 | AivarasKivilius | Is proftpd OK? |
| 21:35.43 | blip2 | AivarasKivilius: use SFTP |
| 21:36.05 | AivarasKivilius | I need FTP, for some CMS. |
| 21:36.09 | abrotman | AivarasKivilius: vsftpd is generally okay |
| 21:36.32 | aarcane | AivarasKivilius, I've used proftpd, it's fine. |
| 21:36.53 | Roasted | debian needs a better layout on their site :/ |
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| 21:37.56 | blip2 | Roasted: which one? :P |
| 21:38.08 | Roasted | blip2, debian.org |
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| 21:38.19 | Roasted | trying to download debian squeeze and its proving to be a retardedly long process |
| 21:38.44 | Roasted | oh wow I think I got it!!!! |
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| 21:39.37 | jeeger | Greetings! My bios does something strange with my hard disk, and while my boot disk is named /dev/sdd1 in linux, grub sees it as (hd0,0). However, that confuses the debian kernel installation script. Is there some way to configure "(hd0,0) is the boot disk"? |
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| 21:40.08 | Vasistha | Roasted: what you ought to do is first install lenny and then upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:40.21 | Roasted | lenny = stable right |
| 21:40.26 | Vasistha | yes |
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| 21:40.36 | Roasted | what is entailed with upgrading to squeeze? dist upgrade or something? |
| 21:40.47 | Vasistha | !tell Roasted -about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:41.08 | Roasted | nice |
| 21:41.11 | mordocai | jeeger: Yeah, that's just grub's way of notating hard drives. So that -should- be correct. Your problem is probably something else. |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | Roasted: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you want the ISO |
| 21:41.58 | Roasted | when will squeeze be released stable? |
| 21:42.06 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 21:42.07 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
| 21:42.07 | jeeger | mordocai: But debian configures the boot drive to be (hd3,0). Sorry, that wasn't as clearly stated as I would have liked... |
| 21:42.39 | Roasted | so the closest thats known is sometime this year? |
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| 21:43.02 | mordocai | jeeger: Oh okay... hmm. So are you talking about /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | Roasted: that's the general idea .. but it's not even frozen yet |
| 21:43.26 | Roasted | I just wanted tomake sure it wasnt like a week away or anything |
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| 21:44.36 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 21:45.58 | Roasted | how is wireless support on debian? if Im coming from ubuntu to debian, should I expect the same amount of wireless support? |
| 21:46.16 | mordocai | Roasted: Yes and no. Wireless firmware is NOT included and must be manually installed |
| 21:46.29 | mordocai | Roasted: I'm using wireless perfectly after installing firmware though |
| 21:46.35 | NoCode | Same here. |
| 21:46.42 | Roasted | mordocai, is it a headache infatuated process to get the firmware included? |
| 21:46.59 | NoCode | What is your wireless card? |
| 21:47.07 | Roasted | broadcom bcm4322 |
| 21:47.19 | jeeger | mordocai: Yep. or menu.lst, as the case may be |
| 21:47.22 | Roasted | but Im also just trying to get a general concensus on how it compares to ubuntu's wireless support |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | b43-fwcutter |
| 21:47.43 | AivarasKivilius | SFTP is FTP over SSH, FTPS is FTP using SSL? Am I right? |
| 21:48.01 | DASPRiD | second one is right |
| 21:48.01 | Roasted | abrotman, its in the repos? |
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| 21:48.14 | mordocai | jeeger: Okay, well i'm not very used to grub2 unfortunately... if you are using grub legacy i can probably help. Otherwise, need to keep looking :P |
| 21:48.30 | abrotman | Roasted: kind of .. there's a tool to get the firmware |
| 21:48.48 | Roasted | abrotman, so its not like I can just install b43-fwcutter and the driver and live happily ever after? |
| 21:48.54 | abrotman | Roasted: so oyu'll need a wired connection to get it |
| 21:49.02 | Roasted | oh yeah, no doubt. I expected that. |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | Roasted: yeah ... you can, if you use the fwcutter, it will get the firmware, and hopefully that's the end of the entire issue |
| 21:49.23 | Roasted | ah okay |
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| 21:49.35 | Roasted | the big curveball is just the wired conn so I can even get packages FROM the repos |
| 21:49.55 | abrotman | Roasted: just use the wired to get the fwcutter .. then use wireless after that |
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| 21:51.00 | mordocai | Roasted: Well, if you don't have wired... i was able to download the packages to a flash drive and install them from there. |
| 21:51.22 | Roasted | from another pc you mean? |
| 21:51.28 | mordocai | Yeah |
| 21:51.32 | Roasted | good deal |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | he would still need internet to get the actual firmware |
| 21:51.55 | abrotman | or read the script and figure out what to download and where it goes |
| 21:52.20 | mordocai | Yeah... mine was easy i guess. I had ralink so i just had to download wireless-tools and the ralink firmware package. |
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| 21:55.12 | delby | hi there, how do i check if a directory/folder exists without knowing its location? i need to know if there is already public_html on my system. |
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| 21:55.42 | dvs | delby: find it? |
| 21:56.26 | delby | dvs: you mean use 'find' command? |
| 21:56.33 | dvs | delby: yes |
| 21:57.29 | Vasistha | delby: much quicker if you use locate |
| 21:57.55 | Mowee | Bonne nuit o/ |
| 21:58.15 | delby | dvs: i tried, i think find is for finding files within folders. |
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| 21:58.39 | Vasistha | delby: find can find almost anything if you use it right. |
| 21:58.40 | dvs | delby: it can find directories as well (as long as you have the permissions) |
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| 21:58.50 | \amethyst | delby: find / -type d -name public_html |
| 21:59.15 | \amethyst | or find /home -... maybe, since public_html isn't likely to be anywhere else |
| 21:59.32 | \amethyst | or even echo /home/*/public_html/ |
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| 22:00.04 | delby | thanks all. will try your suggestions. |
| 22:00.09 | Vasistha | in reverse order, hopefully |
| 22:00.18 | delby | :) |
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| 22:02.58 | mordocai | Anyone know the best solution for sharing media with my xbox 360? |
| 22:03.11 | mordocai | best = easy to setup and stable |
| 22:03.35 | sako | mordocai: with a pc? |
| 22:03.39 | sako | or mac? |
| 22:03.46 | mordocai | Debian on a PC |
| 22:03.48 | sako | nvm |
| 22:03.55 | sako | i just realized i am in #debian |
| 22:03.55 | sako | lol |
| 22:04.35 | sako | hey guys |
| 22:04.38 | blip2 | mordocai: samba probably |
| 22:04.51 | sako | i am wondering and i know you guys may be biased |
| 22:05.03 | sako | what is the reason to use debian over ubuntu for a server/ |
| 22:05.23 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 22:05.23 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 22:05.49 | sako | nice |
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| 22:06.04 | Argafal | I like the last sentence |
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| 22:06.21 | abrotman | it's true! |
| 22:06.45 | Argafal | it is! this channel is a big help, definitely. |
| 22:07.44 | grakker | I was just reading the article at http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bash-command-not-found and saw in the comments that the shell under Ubuntu has some neat defaults, spell check and suggestions for installing packages if not found. Does anyone know how to get this working under debian? |
| 22:08.12 | abrotman | grakker: i think it's the same package |
| 22:08.12 | Argafal | grakker: I'd assume that is not bash but zsh(?). |
| 22:08.22 | jelly-hme | Argafal: nah, it's bash |
| 22:08.29 | abrotman | Argafal: except the article is about bash ? |
| 22:08.55 | Argafal | abrotman: that's what confusing me about it, cause i remember zsh to have those feature sbuilt-in but i haven't seen it for bash so far. |
| 22:09.11 | Riviera | abrotman: look for command_not_found_handle |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | i don't need it |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | Argafal: it's new in the last few years AFAIK |
| 22:09.28 | Riviera | abrotman: in the bash mangppage. |
| 22:09.33 | Riviera | s/gp// |
| 22:09.34 | jelly-hme | Argafal: zsh doesn't have "suggestions for installing packages if not found", correction and completion are features found in both |
| 22:09.36 | grakker | shopt does most of it, but the suggested packages looked kind of cool. |
| 22:09.38 | Riviera | (of Debian bash) |
| 22:09.38 | abrotman | Riviera: I DON'T NEED IT |
| 22:09.53 | Riviera | abrotman: okay |
| 22:09.57 | Riviera | abrotman: and read the manpage |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 22:10.05 | abrotman | is he on drugs? |
| 22:10.05 | grakker | Hell, I don't NEED it either, but it is kind of cool. |
| 22:10.08 | Argafal | lol |
| 22:10.13 | Riviera | abrotman: no, but it's fun to see you freak out. |
| 22:10.23 | abrotman | it's fun to see you fail to read .. |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-hme | Riviera: in his limited way, he's trying to tell it wasn't him that asked the question |
| 22:10.46 | abrotman | pounds on the keyboard .. making only caps come out |
| 22:10.47 | Riviera | jelly-hme: yes, i got it, of course i meant the grakker instead. |
| 22:11.04 | jelly-hme | Riviera: then write so! |
| 22:11.25 | Argafal | before abrotman explodes let me raise a question to change the subject ;) do you ever find yourself trying to tabcomplete a word you wrote the first half within irssi? |
| 22:11.29 | Riviera | :)) |
| 22:11.30 | grakker | The standard bash stuff is easy enough to find, but the dpkg handling of unfound commands is a little specialized. |
| 22:11.53 | amphi | Argafal: dictcomplete.pl lets you do that |
| 22:11.57 | Argafal | lol. |
| 22:12.06 | abrotman | Argafal: there used to be a bot in the channel named 'aptitude' which was convenient |
| 22:12.07 | jelly-hme | it'd be easy enough to implement in zsh... dunno about that inferior shell. |
| 22:12.17 | grakker | I find myself trying to tabcomplete whenever I'm typing.... |
| 22:12.21 | Argafal | amphi: i was absolutely not heading for a solution, but it is very nice to hear it exists. |
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| 22:12.47 | Argafal | would be something to build into the terminal... tabcomplete EVERYwhere. :-> |
| 22:12.50 | amphi | Argafal: heh, it's not overly useful in practice, at least not to me |
| 22:13.00 | amphi | but nice to have for, er, completeness |
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| 22:13.10 | Macer | is there any good document scanning software for linux at all? |
| 22:13.17 | Macer | in debian or ubuntu |
| 22:13.22 | Argafal | amphi: or those damn words you always wonder how to spell correctly? ;) |
| 22:13.52 | Argafal | Macer: xsane? |
| 22:14.04 | Macer | Argafal: does xsane do document scanning into pdfs? |
| 22:14.11 | amphi | Macer: or you mean OCR? |
| 22:14.12 | grakker | Macer: I'll be flamed here, but the last time I had to scan some stuff, I broke down and bought vuescan. It worked prettly slick. |
| 22:14.17 | Argafal | no, but that was not specified in your question :-p |
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| 22:14.29 | Argafal | well, it even might, i don't know, don't have a scanner here. |
| 22:14.36 | Macer | 17:13 < Macer> is there any good document scanning software for linux at all? |
| 22:14.55 | Macer | "document scanning" :) the format isn't important as long as it can scan documents |
| 22:14.56 | wols | aabby finereader :P |
| 22:14.57 | jelly-hme | Macer: you didn't specify "free" |
| 22:15.11 | Macer | jelly-hme: i know :) |
| 22:15.19 | Argafal | Macer: well, then xsane will work? it scans whatever you give the scanner :-p |
| 22:15.37 | Macer | Argafal: yeah but i don't think it does document scanning.. only single images |
| 22:15.45 | wols | Macer: have you tried to search for "OCR"? |
| 22:15.51 | Argafal | sorry, what is the difference in document and image scanning? |
| 22:15.54 | Macer | ocr isn't important.. i just need to scan pdfs |
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| 22:16.09 | Macer | Argafal: it will separate pages |
| 22:16.23 | Macer | and puts it all into one file |
| 22:16.30 | Macer | image scanning would be 5 images for a 5 page document |
| 22:16.38 | wols | Macer: there is a big difference of a pdf made up of bitmaps or made up of text |
| 22:16.47 | Argafal | wols: yeah, i was thinking the same. |
| 22:16.57 | grakker | Macer: Try simplescan. It worked for me for some basic scanning. |
| 22:17.07 | Macer | grakker: thanks. i'll check it out |
| 22:17.34 | Macer | grakker: not in the repos huh? |
| 22:17.52 | grakker | simple-scan comes up in my apt-get search |
| 22:18.03 | grakker | apt-cache search |
| 22:18.08 | Macer | i did |
| 22:18.26 | wols | ,versions simple-scan |
| 22:18.28 | judd | simple-scan -- squeeze: 0.8.1-3; sid: 1.0.3-1 |
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| 22:18.32 | Macer | hm |
| 22:18.32 | wols | that's why |
| 22:18.38 | abrotman | Macer: if you're using Ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu |
| 22:18.58 | Macer | ok |
| 22:19.13 | Macer | this box i'm ircing from is debian :) figured ubuntu and debian were rather closely related |
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| 22:19.42 | chellomere | Macer, there's enough differences that advice for one might be fatal for the other. |
| 22:20.02 | abrotman | Macer: and they have different packages available |
| 22:20.16 | chellomere | and different configurations |
| 22:21.16 | Argafal | i'd need a hint for the following (on Debian, not Ubuntu ;) ): I use lenny, lxde, openbox with roxterm. to get the backspace key working I set the keysequence in the roxterm settings to "CTRL + H", works very well now. everywhere. besides when asked for a password, when i press backspace while typing a password to correct it it will be recognized as incorrect. |
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| 22:22.37 | jelly-hme | Argafal: what does stty -a think the erase character should be? |
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| 22:23.03 | jelly-hme | ^H or ^? or something else? |
| 22:23.04 | Argafal | jelly-hme: erase = ^?; |
| 22:23.18 | Argafal | do i need to set it to ASCII DEL instead..... |
| 22:23.26 | jelly-hme | Argafal: and what does Ctrl-V Backspace give? |
| 22:24.46 | Argafal | jelly-hme: what do you mean, give me? i see a V, in inverted colors and backspace deletes it again. |
| 22:24.59 | Argafal | but: Setting to ASCII-DEL seems to help \o/ |
| 22:25.12 | jelly-hme | ^? is DEL, right |
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| 22:36.27 | Meryll | Hi |
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| 22:36.45 | Meryll | :0 |
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| 22:43.19 | Vasistha | anyone recall that problem of a couple years ago, where the linux kernel would request a large tcp frame, and some broken routers along the way would truncate it? |
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| 22:43.41 | Vasistha | it was solved by telling the kernel not to request large tcp frames, iirc |
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| 22:47.05 | abrotman | !ecp |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | bleh .. something like that |
| 22:47.27 | abrotman | something congestion somehting :) |
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| 22:48.32 | simonrvn | !ecn |
| 22:48.33 | dpkg | well, ecn is Explicit Congestion Notification - a TCP/IP feature which should be supported by the whole Internet, but unfortunately, some broken firewalls don't like it. To disable: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn . To disable permanently, echo net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf . See also http://p12n.org/kb/ecn.html; you can disable ECN via iptables selectively. |
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| 22:49.43 | simonrvn | usually it's windows not getting set properly, them being too big, so they'd get truncated. window_scaling |
| 22:50.15 | simonrvn | that was a problem about 1.5 year ago. the ecn stuff was in the 2.4 days. |
| 22:51.04 | zorzar_ | hey can anybody help me with a software raid problem 1on1 in a query would be perfect |
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| 22:51.30 | Vasistha | !pm |
| 22:51.30 | dpkg | pm is, like, private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance, or ask me about <private> |
| 22:51.43 | Vasistha | uhm |
| 22:51.45 | Vasistha | !private |
| 22:51.45 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 22:52.17 | zorzar_ | ok /proc/mdstat gives me strange output |
| 22:52.18 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 22:53.32 | zorzar_ | i believe one of my harddrives is about to die |
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| 22:53.39 | simonrvn | percussive maintenance: "hit it wit' yer hand, dere" |
| 22:53.48 | Vasistha | zorzar_: you might pastebin the strange output |
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| 22:54.34 | zorzar_ | http://pastebin.com/qB3pyCTa |
| 22:55.13 | zorzar_ | it seems to me that sda is to the right and sdb to the left |
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| 22:55.40 | zorzar_ | i have a feeling that sda is about to die |
| 22:56.04 | zorzar_ | i don't know how long sdb3 wasn't in the raid |
| 22:56.32 | zorzar_ | how big is the chance of fucking everything up if i add sdb3 back to the raid? |
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| 23:02.57 | sweb | why `amd64` have 6 dvd but `ia64` have 2 dvd |
| 23:03.27 | sweb | If I want to have to use for my arch `ia64`. I must download both of them ? |
| 23:04.42 | sweb | :-( |
| 23:04.47 | \amethyst | sweb: ia64 is itanium |
| 23:04.47 | IRConan | sweb: are you sure you have an ia64? |
| 23:04.57 | \amethyst | sweb: if you have an intel x86_64, that's amd64 |
| 23:05.08 | sweb | I have http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37130 |
| 23:05.14 | sweb | it's amd64 ? |
| 23:05.20 | \amethyst | sweb: yes |
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| 23:05.31 | sweb | ow thank |
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| 23:06.13 | sweb | I have a problem with virtual box that cannot detect my cpu in 64b mod. I'm using ubunut |
| 23:06.21 | Vasistha | !ubuntu |
| 23:06.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 23:06.47 | \amethyst | sweb: you probably need to enable virtualization in your BIOS |
| 23:06.55 | \amethyst | sweb: and need to turn on VT-X in virtualbox |
| 23:07.10 | \amethyst | sweb: it's necessary for running 64-bit software in virtualization |
| 23:07.14 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.17 | \amethyst | sweb: or you can run a 32-bit guest OS |
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| 23:07.39 | sweb | \amethyst, where can I enable it ? |
| 23:07.57 | sweb | in OS or Bios Setup ? |
| 23:07.58 | Argafal | how can i display a list of all packages installed from lenny-backports and the flag manual/automatically through dependecy? |
| 23:08.01 | \amethyst | sweb: in your BIOS setup when you first boot the machine; how you get to it depends on your motherboard, but usually it's an <F> key during bootup |
| 23:08.04 | \amethyst | sweb: BIOS setup |
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| 23:08.28 | sweb | \amethyst, thank for your great help. will be back soon |
| 23:08.33 | \amethyst | sweb: but I don't know where it would be it there; it differs by motherboard manufacturer |
| 23:08.34 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: on md0, sda is not present, and on md2, sdb is not present. What makes you think sda is about to die? |
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| 23:09.10 | Vasistha | Argafal: read up on /usr/share/aptitude/README -- the answer is probably there |
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| 23:09.43 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: 2 days ago i had a bunch of io errors, after rebooting everything was ok, but i don't know |
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| 23:10.29 | Argafal | Vasistha: any idea of good search terms? |
| 23:10.34 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: i run xen on that box and one of the guests has prblems with its filesystem, too, the guest's filesystem is a image on the hosts fs |
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| 23:10.52 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: by "everything was ok" you mean all the mirrors had both their members present, or merely "no data was seemingly lost"? |
| 23:11.07 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: the second one... |
| 23:11.13 | Vasistha | Argafal: "manual" and ... uhm ... what's the term for the place where something was downloaded from... can't remember |
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| 23:12.29 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: well. check those io errors in /var/log/kern.log*, and also check for md messages. After this weathers out, you'll want to properly set up mdadm so it sends you mail when something goes wrong |
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| 23:12.52 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: would mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sda2 be safe or can it fuck things up? |
| 23:13.31 | fefo | yes |
| 23:13.33 | fefo | ;) |
| 23:13.35 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: that wouldn't work at all, since sda2 is already part of md1. |
| 23:14.16 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ar crap i meant sda3 |
| 23:14.32 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: no, you meant sdb3, or you aren't paying attention |
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| 23:15.25 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: yeah i kinda feel like a headless chicken... mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sdb2 |
| 23:15.33 | jelly-hme | not sdb2. |
| 23:15.47 | jelly-hme | keep trying, though, you'll get it right eventually! |
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| 23:16.23 | jelly-hme | perhaps you need to sleep on it |
| 23:16.31 | vlt | Hello. How can I edit the file /DEBIAN/control in a .deb file? |
| 23:16.35 | fas3r | can i use password we a sytem account ? |
| 23:16.35 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: sry could mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sdb3 potially break /dev/sda3? |
| 23:16.45 | fas3r | with* |
| 23:16.46 | \amethyst | Argafal: aptitude search ~i~Aexperimental -F '%M %p' |
| 23:16.57 | \amethyst | Argafal: err, ~Alenny-backports of course :) |
| 23:17.51 | Argafal | awesome. =) |
| 23:17.51 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: well theoretically, if you suspect sda might die, reading most of the disk surface while syncing the mirror might prompt it to die sooner |
| 23:18.03 | Argafal | thanks so much \amethyst! |
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| 23:18.27 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: check your backups are working |
| 23:19.28 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ok i found htis line severel times in kernel.log: kernel: ata1.00: tag 0 cmd 0x60 Emask 0x9 stat 0x41 err 0x40 (media error) |
| 23:19.31 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: if these are sata disks, you could inspect their SMART state with smartctl (part of smrtmontools package) |
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| 23:20.03 | Aristide | Bonsoir |
| 23:20.58 | Aristide | J'éprouve une déplaisante difficultée à installer ma carte Wifi sous Debian. En effet, je ne sais pas comment faire ^^ |
| 23:20.59 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: now, figure out which disk is on ata1 controller. |
| 23:21.03 | jelly-hme | !fr |
| 23:21.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:21.22 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: whats the best way to do this? |
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| 23:21.55 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: one way is kern.log, boot messages |
| 23:22.38 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ok i thikn i found it: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 53115548 |
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| 23:23.33 | simonrvn | if that's the only one it'll auto-reallocate, but you should be sure to have backups. |
| 23:23.50 | zorzar_ | simonrvn: no isn't the only one |
| 23:23.53 | simonrvn | oh, nm that |
| 23:23.57 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: that's not a bootup message, it's an error message |
| 23:24.05 | simonrvn | just saw the other stuff ^_^ |
| 23:24.15 | zorzar_ | simonrvn: hmm? |
| 23:24.24 | simonrvn | ignore what i said |
| 23:24.51 | zorzar_ | simonrvn: ok |
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| 23:26.15 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: this is a grep for error on kernel.log http://pastebin.com/bB4iY5PK |
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| 23:26.45 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 23:28.08 | nsadmin | budgies? |
| 23:28.30 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: grep won't exactly help you with this, you need to correlate multiple lines near to each other, and close to boot time |
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| 23:28.57 | simonrvn | timestamps timestamps timestamps |
| 23:29.11 | simonrvn | try typing that 5 times fast :P |
| 23:29.26 | nsadmin | timespam timespamtimespam |
| 23:29.57 | nsadmin | spamitozoa |
| 23:30.30 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: eg. http://paste.ubuntu.com/421930/ lines 6-9 show a disk on ata1.00 = scsi 0:0:0:0, and line 22 shows that scsi device at 0:0:0:0 id bound by sd driver as /dev/sda |
| 23:30.43 | jelly-hme | s/id/is/ |
| 23:31.27 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: now, it's _probable_ that ata1.00 corresponds to sda, ata2.00 to sdb, but it needn't be true |
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| 23:32.26 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ok |
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| 23:33.43 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: can you help me with the correct smartctl options? |
| 23:34.06 | jelly-hme | sorry, not at 1:30am |
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| 23:34.51 | dark | how can suppress the "The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;" login message? |
| 23:34.56 | dark | can i* |
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| 23:35.05 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: start with smartctl -a /dev/sdX |
| 23:35.22 | nsadmin | dark: find the file that contains that, edit it |
| 23:35.34 | dark | nsadmin, it's probably on /etc |
| 23:35.38 | dark | nsadmin, i don't have root access |
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| 23:36.02 | nsadmin | then it's very likely you can't do it |
| 23:36.14 | dark | i noted that on my machine (that i have root access) this messages appears too, but only on a tty |
| 23:36.36 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: crap drive does not support smart... |
| 23:36.52 | dark | nsadmin, the login is via ssh.. if i configured the shell for something other than /bin/bash probably the message wouldn't show anyway |
| 23:36.55 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/rXvQt2Yx |
| 23:36.57 | dark | hmm |
| 23:37.01 | dark | i can't configure it actually |
| 23:37.15 | dark | maybe something on ~/.bashrc? |
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| 23:37.30 | nsadmin | you can run chsh and configure to anything in /etc/shells |
| 23:37.35 | nsadmin | but not sure that will do it |
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| 23:38.06 | dark | nice |
| 23:38.19 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: I find that unlikely. It's possible smart is disabled in bios. |
| 23:38.39 | jelly-hme | but even so it's usually possible to enable it in that case |
| 23:39.25 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ok i'll do so |
| 23:39.58 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: you can also try this non-free smart client: http://www.hdsentinel.com/hdslin.php |
| 23:40.56 | dark | nsadmin, thank you for the help anyway |
| 23:41.06 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: hmm enabeling smart didn't work |
| 23:41.13 | dark | reading http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Giving_yourself_a_quieter_SSH_login |
| 23:41.23 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/NCFcWxh5 |
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| 23:45.37 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: that's not BIOS. |
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| 23:47.09 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: yeah i know, but i don't have access to the bios |
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| 23:49.09 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: well. You could check that your backups are working, and try re-adding the mirror member blindly |
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| 23:50.11 | jelly-hme | zorzar_: considering you had errors on a high-number sector on sda, and your _only_ remaining mirror on the largest partition is on sda, it's likely some of the data is lost |
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| 23:50.46 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: ok |
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| 23:52.48 | jelly-hme | if things go to hell, at least you have backup to restore from |
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| 23:53.33 | zorzar_ | jelly-hme: yeah right, then thank you my namesake |
| 23:53.51 | jelly-hme | heh |
| 23:54.44 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 23:57.15 | mainstreet | Can I decrease the amount of my swap area without messing with my other partitions? |
| 23:57.20 | jelly-hme | likes hdsentinel because of the ability to suck smart data thru cheap sata-usb bridges |
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| 23:57.52 | PinkFreud | jelly-hme: uh? what's this now? |
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| 23:57.58 | jelly-hme | what? |
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| 23:58.20 | mainstreet | (And if so, how would I do this?) |
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| 23:58.43 | simonrvn | jelly acquires a vowel! |
| 23:59.13 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I think that's what PinkFreud was pointing me to. |
| 23:59.22 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: how does one read smart data through cheap usb bridges? |
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