| 00:00.21 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: http://www.hdsentinel.com/hdslin.php also, newer smartmontools can do it with some sata-usb chips |
| 00:00.26 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 00:02.41 | jelly-home | mainstreet: it's not hard to do. swapoff, mkswap with a smaller size, swapon. The question you didn't ask was, would you be able to use the freed space for some other purpose. |
| 00:03.06 | PinkFreud | yeah, I noticed smartmontools can do it with certain chipsets |
| 00:03.17 | mainstreet | Jelly-home: Alright. So, I'll ask it now. Can I use that free space for something else? Make a new partition, perhaps? |
| 00:04.07 | jelly-home | mainstreet: making the kernel acknowledge changes in the partition table on a disk in use can't be done without a reboot |
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| 00:04.25 | CyberDomovoy | i need some advice from any debian guru :) i'm on debian lenny, i need glade >= 3.6, i downloaded the sources from debian sid, but it need gtk+ >= 2.14.0. I also use gtkmm in my project, so that means upgrading it too... should i install all of that stuff from sid sources, or upgrade all my system? |
| 00:05.05 | CyberDomovoy | (when i say sources, i mean... sources, not packages) |
| 00:05.10 | jelly-home | mainstreet: so, swapoff, fdisk, reboot, mkswap, swapon |
| 00:05.23 | mainstreet | Jelly: Ah. |
| 00:05.33 | jelly-home | mainstreet: this reboot limitation is why smart admins use lvm |
| 00:05.41 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: interesting |
| 00:05.58 | mainstreet | lvm? |
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| 00:06.03 | jelly-home | !lvm |
| 00:06.03 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:06.03 | mainstreet | is still new :p |
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| 00:07.02 | nsadmin | lvm is pretty cool on single drives; I use it all the time |
| 00:07.47 | nsadmin | it's all dependent on what you want to do |
| 00:08.07 | mainstreet | I see. |
| 00:08.09 | mainstreet | Hmmm. |
| 00:08.12 | mainstreet | Well, a bit late now :P |
| 00:08.31 | nsadmin | I mean, are you looking to install? have you installed already? |
| 00:08.54 | mainstreet | nsadmin: Looking to decrease my swap area. |
| 00:09.01 | mainstreet | And use the space for something else. |
| 00:09.03 | jelly-home | nsadmin: RHEL uses it by default for everything but /boot |
| 00:10.06 | mainstreet | Uh. Little help here, swapoff doesn't seem to work by itself, it wants options, and I can't do a -help on it... |
| 00:10.16 | nsadmin | jelly-home: small refinement... you're absolutely right about kernel being aware of partitions just created, -if- at least one partition on that drive is currently in use |
| 00:10.50 | nsadmin | if no partitions are in use, the kernel will reread the table correctly |
| 00:10.58 | jelly-home | no need to confuse newbies with details |
| 00:11.14 | nsadmin | that was for you so you know |
| 00:11.21 | jelly-home | I know. |
| 00:11.34 | jelly-home | (I mean, I knew that) |
| 00:11.56 | nsadmin | mainstreet: if you're not in swap at the moment, you can do it now pretty easily |
| 00:12.31 | mainstreet | nsadmin: Well, yeah, I just tried swapoff, but it wanted me to use specific options... not sure what is right here. |
| 00:12.36 | gapz | hi #debian :) |
| 00:12.54 | jelly-home | mainstreet: just give it the swap partition |
| 00:13.26 | nsadmin | you can also man swapoff if you want to see what your choices are |
| 00:16.04 | aguitel | anyone know where is the trash in lxde? |
| 00:16.35 | nsadmin | on the floor to the right of your desk? |
| 00:16.48 | nsadmin | unless there is trash on your desk :) |
| 00:20.27 | jelly-home | there's trash everywhere man, the room needs a serious cleanup |
| 00:20.34 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 00:20.34 | dpkg | * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
| 00:21.03 | mainstreet | Should the new partitions be extended or primary? >> |
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| 00:21.41 | nsadmin | btw, if you look into lvm and after learning a little about it you get interested, it's not too late, especially if you have a spare drive handy |
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| 00:22.09 | mainstreet | nsadmin: Well, not really. LVM looks good and if I were to ever upgrade the drive on the debian box then I'd probably use it. |
| 00:22.24 | mainstreet | But right now, it kinda is too late :p |
| 00:22.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:23.17 | nsadmin | so, what exactly do you want to do with the free space? do you have that free space already? |
| 00:23.19 | zorzar_ | jelly-home: i greped all my messeges-logs and there are 4 different blocks with I/O errors |
| 00:23.35 | nsadmin | is it all one contiguous block? |
| 00:23.43 | mainstreet | nsadmin: Well, really, it's more a case of me realizing I screwed up and set my swap too big then me needing extra space :p |
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| 00:23.50 | zorzar_ | nsadmin: sorry? |
| 00:25.00 | aguitel | anyone know where is the trash in lxde? |
| 00:25.17 | nsadmin | ok, so you don't want to use the free space right now... ok, good enuf |
| 00:26.00 | mainstreet | I can't figure out fdisk either... trying to convert cylinders into something I can make sense of... |
| 00:26.03 | mainstreet | urgh |
| 00:26.31 | zorzar_ | these are all lines with corrupt sectors http://pastebin.com/CYnGp4QQ |
| 00:26.48 | nsadmin | fdisk has the cyls -> 512byte blocks at the top where you print your partition tabler |
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| 00:27.05 | mainstreet | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 00:27.08 | mainstreet | You mean that? |
| 00:27.22 | mainstreet | Hmmm. |
| 00:27.26 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 00:27.38 | mainstreet | So that's... 8.2 mb/cylinder? |
| 00:27.45 | nsadmin | so that's how big one cyl is |
| 00:27.46 | nsadmin | right |
| 00:28.08 | nsadmin | and you can change the units in fdisk |
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| 00:29.31 | nsadmin | in particular note that there is another prog sfdisk that can dump a partition table in such a way that it can be reread by sfdisk to partition another disk just like the one from the dump |
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| 00:32.02 | nsadmin | this is also a way to backup the partition table |
| 00:32.23 | mainstreet | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 00:32.25 | mainstreet | Is that a problem? |
| 00:32.25 | nsadmin | a note about primary partitions... you only have four |
| 00:32.33 | mainstreet | Yeah... |
| 00:32.42 | nsadmin | not necessisarilly |
| 00:32.42 | mainstreet | Should I make the extra space extended instead? |
| 00:33.01 | nsadmin | if you do that, you can put "logical" partitions in there |
| 00:33.10 | mainstreet | Right. |
| 00:33.17 | mainstreet | Good idea or no? |
| 00:33.40 | nsadmin | otoh, you can do the same thing as that by making it an lvm "PV", then you can create lvm logical volumes |
| 00:34.01 | mainstreet | Eh. Pointless if I'm not gonna do LVM on the whole drive. |
| 00:34.25 | nsadmin | well how large is the free space? Reading between the lines, you don't seem to mind not making the decision immediately |
| 00:34.48 | mainstreet | It's 8.5G |
| 00:34.52 | mainstreet | Don't ask >> |
| 00:35.05 | mainstreet | But uh, yeah. |
| 00:35.06 | nsadmin | that's the whole drive? or just what's left? |
| 00:35.11 | mainstreet | That's what's left. |
| 00:35.15 | mainstreet | The drive is a 40G drive. |
| 00:35.19 | nsadmin | I'd say do what you want |
| 00:35.32 | nsadmin | (incl nothing) |
| 00:35.48 | mainstreet | 4 Primaries... is that on all drives, or per drive? |
| 00:35.56 | nsadmin | per drive |
| 00:36.07 | mainstreet | okay, so yeah, no reason not to just do it. |
| 00:36.33 | nsadmin | that's what's been allocated on sector 0 of the drive (aka the MBR) for the (primary) partition table |
| 00:36.58 | nsadmin | so then, what do you want to use the space for? |
| 00:37.09 | mainstreet | http://zpaste.org/24507 <-- That's my intended new setup. Fine? |
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| 00:37.28 | mainstreet | nsadmin: Not sure. Might see if I can make a VM out of it. But that'll wait for me to learn more :p |
| 00:37.49 | nsadmin | (you know I'm going to say "yes if that's what you want", but I'll look anyway) |
| 00:38.08 | mainstreet | nsadmin: I just don't want to screw it up, is all. |
| 00:38.14 | mainstreet | I know that it doesn't *matter* |
| 00:38.16 | mainstreet | But it could. |
| 00:38.24 | mainstreet | I'm capable of really blowing stuff up :p |
| 00:38.44 | nsadmin | then I'd say hold off, keep it unpartitioned until you have a known use for it |
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| 00:38.55 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe you don't have a separate /home yet |
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| 00:39.22 | mainstreet | nsadmin: I've already created a /home |
| 00:39.46 | mainstreet | Alright. |
| 00:40.09 | nsadmin | if you're capable of such mass descruction, bone up on your backup/restore skills |
| 00:40.21 | mainstreet | indeed |
| 00:40.51 | nsadmin | ime, lots of people back up.... sometimes they don't know how to restore... |
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| 00:44.29 | farmiganda | I just got a new external hard drive and I've mounted it; however, I cannot write to the drive, as it gives me the error Operation not permitted |
| 00:44.43 | mainstreet | Lemme guess. Seagate drive? |
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| 00:44.46 | farmiganda | yep |
| 00:44.47 | nsadmin | so you created a partition of that part of your drive that you took away from your swap |
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| 00:44.57 | farmiganda | Seagate is correct |
| 00:44.59 | mainstreet | farmiganda: Owned. Just like I was once :p |
| 00:45.02 | mainstreet | You can't. |
| 00:45.15 | mainstreet | Save a month of headbeating and return it. |
| 00:45.18 | farmiganda | >.< what? I cannot write to seagate drives? |
| 00:45.22 | nsadmin | so the drive is dead? |
| 00:45.28 | mainstreet | Seagate external freeagent, you can't. |
| 00:45.32 | mainstreet | Not with Debian. |
| 00:45.38 | mainstreet | Or any Linux. |
| 00:45.39 | farmiganda | well that's certainly discouraging |
| 00:45.47 | mainstreet | I know. Seagate sucks. |
| 00:45.53 | farmiganda | any idea why?? |
| 00:46.04 | mainstreet | Not really. |
| 00:46.11 | farmiganda | hm |
| 00:46.14 | mainstreet | Except that they pre-format it for Windows. |
| 00:46.20 | farmiganda | what manufacturer would you suggest? |
| 00:46.23 | mainstreet | But that *shouldn't* matter. But it does. |
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| 00:46.30 | nsadmin | quantum |
| 00:46.42 | mainstreet | nsadmin: The drive's working fine. I got 8.5G of unallocated space, but that's fine for now. |
| 00:46.43 | nsadmin | but they got bought out, I think by maxtor |
| 00:47.05 | farmiganda | how about western digital or hitachi or something |
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| 00:47.24 | mainstreet | Whichever drive you choose |
| 00:47.26 | nsadmin | I heard good things about WD return policy |
| 00:47.28 | mainstreet | do the research |
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| 00:47.38 | SerajewelKS | hmm, why is there no sieve module for dovecot in lenny? |
| 00:47.41 | mainstreet | if you see "pre-formatted" or something |
| 00:47.42 | mainstreet | back off |
| 00:47.42 | farmiganda | weird cause I have another seagate freeagent, a 500GB one, and it works fine... |
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| 00:48.00 | mainstreet | farmiganda: Well, idk then. I just know that my 750gb didn't. |
| 00:48.07 | farmiganda | if formatting is the issue, couldn't I just format it? >.< |
| 00:48.22 | alain10 | hello people , what do i have to add to the sources.list for getting for flash and extras |
| 00:48.30 | alain10 | on squeeze |
| 00:48.47 | nsadmin | !dmm |
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| 00:48.47 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 00:48.53 | mainstreet | farmiganda: You would think. |
| 00:49.04 | farmiganda | ehehe... |
| 00:49.14 | farmiganda | damn, I hope I can return this |
| 00:49.21 | farmiganda | I got it a few weeks ago from micro center |
| 00:49.34 | mainstreet | Well, I got my help, and I helped someone -- a good day |
| 00:49.36 | mainstreet | I am out |
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| 00:49.40 | nsadmin | better get on the horn with them |
| 00:49.53 | farmiganda | on the horn? |
| 00:50.08 | nsadmin | start conversation |
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| 00:50.51 | farmiganda | hmm |
| 00:50.57 | farmiganda | well that's distressing |
| 00:51.20 | farmiganda | thanks people. |
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| 00:55.39 | zorzar_ | how can i stop a software raid rebuild? |
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| 01:00.24 | o11c | There's a severe POSIX-compliance bug in /bin/dash, I've filed it for Ubuntu, can someone file it in debian's bug system? |
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| 01:00.55 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.36 | zorzar_ | jelly-home: you still here? |
| 01:01.51 | o11c | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/259671 |
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| 01:04.58 | Tramp | o11c: not sure, but why don't you report it upstream? It looks like an upstream issue |
| 01:05.10 | o11c | doesn't dash originate in debian? |
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| 01:06.02 | oOarthurOo | Quick question, I seem to have forgotten my IRC password. Anyway to have it emailed to me? |
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| 01:07.47 | zorzar_ | oOarthurOo: contact an operator |
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| 01:08.20 | Tramp | o11c: "Debian Almquist Shell" - could well be .... |
| 01:08.28 | zorzar_ | oOarthurOo: not a channel operator but a freenode operator |
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| 01:08.56 | o11c | I just don't want to have to join yet another bug tracking system just because this bug is severe... |
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| 01:10.53 | zorzar_ | oOarthurOo: join #freenode and ask there |
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| 01:11.21 | CuteChick | what is better? centos or debian? for hosting server |
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| 01:12.02 | oOarthurOo | zorzar_: Have done. Thanks |
| 01:12.36 | Tramp | o11c: Debian Bugtracker does not require registration. However, if they do their Job where you reported it, it should be sent upstream anyways |
| 01:12.50 | o11c | oh... |
| 01:14.29 | alain10 | dmm |
| 01:14.31 | alain10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.48 | alain10 | oups |
| 01:14.53 | alain10 | hehe |
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| 01:18.04 | tuv | using the hd-media kernel and initrd on a partition with multiple iso images, the hd-media kernel finds and tries to use the wrong iso image. is there a way to instruct it to use one image in particular? a kernel/initrd parameter that can be passed using grub? |
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| 01:20.15 | jelly-home | zorzar_: sorry, gone to bed. See you tomorrow |
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| 01:37.19 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 01:37.30 | jalalsfs | Can anyone help me? |
| 01:37.35 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 01:37.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 01:38.13 | tharkun | abrotman: ping |
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| 01:38.32 | jalalsfs | <tharkun> I am so sorry |
| 01:38.53 | tharkun | !ask |
| 01:38.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:38.55 | jalalsfs | I can't speak English very well |
| 01:39.06 | tharkun | jalalsfs: what is your native language? |
| 01:39.18 | jalalsfs | Arabic |
| 01:40.17 | oOarthurOo | I'm working from a mimimal install that I've built up and having some spell check problems in evolution and pidgin. How do I add language / dictionaries to these applications? |
| 01:40.24 | tharkun | jalalsfs: Take your time do a nice phrasing and we will do our best shot, if it gets to tyring for you. you can allways go to #debian-yourcountrycodde |
| 01:40.46 | jalalsfs | I installed Mepis today but all packages are old, so I want use update test debian source for apt-get |
| 01:41.27 | jalalsfs | <tharkun> thank you so much |
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| 01:51.47 | near | hi |
| 01:51.59 | near | any tool to format and partition disks? |
| 01:52.03 | near | i used fdisk to partition |
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| 01:52.10 | near | how can i give it an ext2 ? |
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| 01:52.20 | fefo | mkfs.ext2 ? |
| 01:52.26 | fefo | oh good grief |
| 01:52.30 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.36 | fefo | READ THE FUCKING DOCU |
| 01:52.50 | near | what docu ? |
| 01:53.00 | fefo | LDP is good start |
| 01:53.04 | fefo | in your case |
| 01:53.44 | near | should i use ext2 or ext3? |
| 01:53.49 | macrobat | man mkfs.ext2 |
| 01:53.51 | near | is it worth it the speed? |
| 01:54.00 | near | gparted is much easier xD |
| 01:54.08 | near | i used mkfs in gentoo once |
| 01:54.14 | near | i like the gui of gparted xD |
| 01:54.34 | macrobat | near: read up on the filesystems. for example in wikipedia |
| 01:54.37 | fefo | good grief, second time |
| 01:54.46 | near | for what ?? |
| 01:54.57 | near | i think i know what i need to know xD |
| 01:54.59 | fefo | gui ?? for filesystem creation ? |
| 01:55.20 | near | yeah it divides the partitions |
| 01:55.20 | fefo | don't you want to drag and drop filesystems, or blocks ? |
| 01:55.29 | near | showing how much space they take |
| 01:55.31 | fefo | or moving partitions from one drive to another ? |
| 01:55.34 | near | much better than reading it in kb |
| 01:55.39 | near | hahahaha |
| 01:55.49 | near | move a partition from a hard drive to another ? |
| 01:55.52 | fefo | if you read docu you could see size in MB |
| 01:56.08 | near | lollll chill man |
| 01:56.16 | near | if i had to read the docu of every single program i use |
| 01:56.23 | near | i would be a much wiser man, indeed |
| 01:56.33 | fefo | then there will be silence here |
| 01:56.50 | near | yes there would be |
| 01:57.36 | near | but my question was a program to do it, and i found my answer, never used gparted before |
| 01:57.36 | fefo | but if you dont want to install x11 ? |
| 01:57.42 | fefo | or does it have any ncurses iface ? |
| 01:57.46 | near | lol then you can use mkfs |
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| 01:58.15 | fefo | i am using it.. |
| 01:58.24 | near | well fefo |
| 01:58.24 | fefo | because there isnt any simpler way how to do it |
| 01:58.28 | near | since you like the cli |
| 01:58.35 | near | can you tell me about an irc appllication |
| 01:58.38 | near | that runs on a cli |
| 01:58.40 | fefo | simpler would be only cat > /dev/hda |
| 01:58.43 | near | and is pretty xD |
| 01:58.47 | fefo | and write it manualy |
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| 01:59.09 | fefo | near: u can use cfdisk |
| 01:59.24 | fefo | i think it is much nicer than fdisk |
| 01:59.30 | near | i already finished |
| 01:59.34 | near | i didnt like cfdisk |
| 01:59.34 | oOarthurOo | I found the solution to my problem. Evolution uses aspell, so installing aspell-en *should* fix the problem. |
| 01:59.49 | near | its much more complicated than fdisk |
| 01:59.52 | fefo | oOarthurOo: wasnt that dependency ? |
| 01:59.57 | near | once you know fdisk commands its easier |
| 02:00.02 | fefo | or even recommend ? :) |
| 02:00.47 | fefo | near: i am bsd user ;) nothing is complicate enough |
| 02:00.59 | near | lollll |
| 02:01.03 | near | guess what partitino i was removing |
| 02:01.04 | oOarthurOo | fefo: it's recommends only |
| 02:01.10 | near | freebsd |
| 02:01.25 | near | it wouldnt recognise my motherboards onboard ethernet |
| 02:01.36 | fefo | crap.. |
| 02:01.43 | near | still |
| 02:01.44 | fefo | but i wont flame about it |
| 02:01.49 | near | gentoo is much more complicated i thiink |
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| 02:02.05 | fefo | gentoo is fucked up bsd |
| 02:02.07 | fefo | ;) |
| 02:02.11 | fefo | freebsd |
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| 02:02.20 | near | well |
| 02:02.29 | near | i wanted freebsd |
| 02:02.37 | near | for the 30% increase of networking |
| 02:02.58 | near | and to practice in a more unix like enviorment , i only used aix for an exam recently |
| 02:03.07 | fefo | i am using it everywhere, also on my laptot without any problems |
| 02:03.22 | fefo | only in work there are few debians |
| 02:03.28 | fefo | redhat, vmware... |
| 02:03.31 | fefo | but still.. ;) |
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| 02:04.04 | near | when i buy a new ethernet card im going to install it again |
| 02:04.32 | fefo | check supported hw list before buying it ;) |
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| 02:05.00 | near | yeah |
| 02:05.04 | oOarthurOo | Cool beans. aspell-en has fixed up both pidgin and evolution spellchecking |
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| 02:06.40 | oOarthurOo | So what's the deal with debianforums... it's been down for over 24 hours |
| 02:06.57 | near | oh anyone knows |
| 02:07.03 | near | if there is a way to play divx in lenny? |
| 02:07.28 | qwd | vlc |
| 02:07.40 | near | i mean, divx videos online |
| 02:07.50 | near | like the ones on divxden.com |
| 02:08.55 | oOarthurOo | near: i watch vids on there. do you have an actual link to a vid you can't watch? |
| 02:10.14 | tharkun | ext3 is ext2 plua journaling |
| 02:10.14 | near | well wrong example |
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| 02:11.05 | tharkun | near: vlc is a fine program it does play xvid |
| 02:11.58 | near | on the web too? |
| 02:12.12 | tharkun | afaik yes |
| 02:13.43 | oOarthurOo | it has a mozilla plugin available in the repos to play vids embedded in the browser |
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| 02:14.42 | near | for example |
| 02:14.44 | near | i cant play this |
| 02:14.45 | near | http://www.movshare.net/71726/video/orhcjk17ih59t |
| 02:14.54 | near | im already downloading vlc |
| 02:17.20 | adb | near, you need flash fot it |
| 02:17.26 | adb | for* |
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| 02:17.32 | near | i have flash |
| 02:17.37 | near | it was a pain to get it though |
| 02:17.41 | kompulsive | i have flash too |
| 02:18.11 | near | why is it that there is no firefox in lenny |
| 02:18.16 | near | and its called iceweasel? |
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| 02:19.44 | adb | !why iceweasel |
| 02:19.44 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 02:20.14 | oOarthurOo | Might have been better to use a link to a legal video. I don't think Tooth Fairy has been released on the internet. At first I couldn't play it, so I installed the vlc mozilla plugin and now it's playing. Sort of. It's just buffering non-stop. No telling if it will ever play |
| 02:22.04 | near | lol legal video? |
| 02:22.08 | near | what country are you from? |
| 02:22.37 | adb | near, w32codecs is installed too ? |
| 02:23.04 | adb | here your link work in iceweasel .. |
| 02:23.42 | near | no installation candidate from aptget |
| 02:23.48 | near | do you know its name? |
| 02:24.00 | adb | !dmm |
| 02:24.00 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 02:24.24 | near | !dmm lenny |
| 02:24.24 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 02:24.30 | adb | near, it's name is w32codecs |
| 02:24.46 | tharkun | near: from my personal point of view ( i don't state the correctness of the fact or the evil within it) debian packagers are sometimes a little too liberal. Some guys have to bare it, some don't |
| 02:24.55 | near | E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate |
| 02:25.13 | near | too liberal? |
| 02:25.38 | tharkun | hard too explain. But believe me they can be- |
| 02:25.48 | adb | near, ... read above . add debian-multimedia repository to sources ... etc |
| 02:26.14 | near | i did it |
| 02:26.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.41 | near | but you mean that they take way to seriously open source ? |
| 02:27.26 | adb | near, fix your sources , see above.. |
| 02:28.00 | near | already did ittt |
| 02:28.05 | near | echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude updat |
| 02:28.10 | near | i used that one |
| 02:28.10 | kompulsive | yeah its the neverending question that comes up a million times a day, the firefox license issue and iceweasel |
| 02:28.48 | dark | hello. i am trying to setup a djbdns local dnscache. i installed the dnscache-run package, and svstat /etc/sv/dnscache says "/etc/sv/dnscache: up (pid 23686) 1 seconds", but the dns still don't work. also /etc/sv/dnscache/root/servers/@ doesn't exist (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/dnscache-run/filelist says it should be installed..) |
| 02:28.53 | tharkun | kompulsive: And some others. Beeing the firefox isue the most known |
| 02:28.59 | kompulsive | no firefox branding because of license issue. so, logically, it is called the most appropriate and second-closest thing; iceweasel. |
| 02:29.07 | dark | i will try to install the debian fork now, dbndns .. |
| 02:29.45 | kompulsive | iceweasel, firefox, iceweasel, you can see for yourself. |
| 02:29.46 | kompulsive | ;-p |
| 02:30.52 | dark | it looks like daemontools-run isn't setting up things properly, sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory there are a lot of errors like this |
| 02:31.47 | kompulsive | dark; its not a fork but i've been spending a lot of time in archlinux lately myself |
| 02:32.26 | dark | hm? |
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| 02:33.04 | dark | it looks like it will work now o.o' |
| 02:33.35 | kompulsive | precisely. |
| 02:33.57 | dark | not working .-. but at least ps -A is showing svscanbot, supervise.. |
| 02:34.17 | kompulsive | so...something is working at least lol |
| 02:34.19 | dark | kompulsive, but, it's not a fork - what? |
| 02:34.32 | dark | dbndns is a debian djbdns fork |
| 02:34.37 | kompulsive | dark; nothing, you didnt miss anything, i was just kind of...rambling |
| 02:34.45 | dark | ah |
| 02:34.51 | kompulsive | dont worry, lol |
| 02:35.23 | kompulsive | i use archlinux regularly in addition to debian and, for whatever reason, mentioned it |
| 02:35.26 | kompulsive | lol |
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| 02:38.03 | manwol | i run a dual-os of vista and lenny. which is the best way to back-up both systems? |
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| 02:38.59 | oOarthurOo | partimage to an external hd |
| 02:39.31 | manwol | what is partimage? |
| 02:39.56 | Avasz | can anyone help me to connect to wep thru terminal. in debian. |
| 02:40.47 | manwol | and must it be an external hd? will another internal disk do? i have two hd in my system, one a sata. |
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| 02:41.15 | manwol | the sata i am using to back-up via rsync. |
| 02:41.23 | nsadmin | is the internal the same or larger? |
| 02:41.49 | manwol | the internal sata is 4x larger. |
| 02:41.51 | nsadmin | the important thing once you back up is, can you restore? |
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| 02:42.07 | nsadmin | should be no problem |
| 02:42.17 | manwol | correct, back-up without being able to restore is really dumb. |
| 02:42.43 | nsadmin | well if you have the backups, that's better than not having them |
| 02:42.45 | manwol | question is, how to do the back-up of both systems? |
| 02:43.09 | nsadmin | look at what partimage does |
| 02:43.12 | oOarthurOo | manwol: http://tinyurl.com/2uwguxz |
| 02:43.19 | manwol | ok, thks. |
| 02:43.22 | nsadmin | read its docs |
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| 02:43.29 | manwol | ok |
| 02:43.32 | nsadmin | get as familiar as possible |
| 02:43.56 | manwol | is it a popular tool? |
| 02:44.04 | magdalene | slinks into #debian and curls up under the #debian_fern |
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| 02:47.51 | manwol | can't open that link. it says to enable javascript which is already done. |
| 02:48.27 | manwol | Enable javascript to use LMGTFY. |
| 02:49.22 | oOarthurOo | manwol: It's just a short screencast showing you how to use google. |
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| 02:50.09 | oOarthurOo | Perhaps like me you are running noscript, in which case kudos. |
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| 02:52.53 | manwol | its ok, i have searched with 'partimage', am reading the wiki page for it. |
| 02:56.12 | near | hey a good c ide? |
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| 02:57.25 | Sarago | how do up change to squeeze |
| 02:57.44 | Sarago | just change in sources.list? |
| 02:57.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: it's kinda fun watching getmail chomp throug my gmail archives :) |
| 02:58.10 | SerajewelKS | got sieve all set up and whatnot, so it's all being filed... |
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| 02:58.53 | SerajewelKS | !tell Sarago about lenny->squeeze |
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| 03:00.53 | near | hi |
| 03:01.00 | near | anyone knows a C programming ide? |
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| 03:02.04 | henriquetft | anjuta, eclipse, codeblocks... |
| 03:02.10 | SerajewelKS | monodevelop... |
| 03:02.34 | near | apt-get install codeblocks xD |
| 03:02.51 | near | how can i search what package has it? |
| 03:02.59 | near | apt-search cache never gives me anything |
| 03:03.19 | SerajewelKS | probably because codeblocks isn't in debian |
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| 03:04.48 | near | lol |
| 03:05.06 | near | monodevelop it is then |
| 03:06.09 | henriquetft | anjuta has debian package.. |
| 03:11.05 | SerajewelKS | near: monodevelop is not really very mature as a C IDE |
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| 03:14.26 | near | it wouldnt compile .. |
| 03:14.37 | oOarthurOo | What are you compiling? |
| 03:14.40 | near | im downloading anjuta |
| 03:14.49 | near | a small program |
| 03:14.50 | near | a friend did |
| 03:14.54 | near | and its not working for him |
| 03:15.02 | near | i dont know if the headers are from windows .. |
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| 03:25.32 | tuv | hd-media's kernel/initrd picks up ubuntu's iso instead of debian's. how can i force it to look for the correct iso file? |
| 03:26.52 | tuv | is there a channel for debian-installer stuff? |
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| 03:30.44 | Bop | oi |
| 03:35.04 | oOarthurOo | Question. Is it possible to force rythymbox to always occupy the leftmost space of the notifcation area? |
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| 03:48.52 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i don't think so |
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| 03:52.55 | imganquan | !ide |
| 03:52.56 | dpkg | well, ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
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| 03:55.04 | SerajewelKS | hmm, isn't sata becoming the new standard? |
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| 03:57.48 | SerajewelKS | i'd guess most new mobos don't even have ide connectors anymore |
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| 04:00.25 | james-a-wagner3 | !date |
| 04:00.25 | dpkg | The current date is 2010.04.25 4:00:25 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 04:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, I expected a phrase about being shy or something |
| 04:01.17 | oOarthurOo | SerajewelKS: Yeah... I can't find anything on google or in gconf-editor |
| 04:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have a notification area |
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| 04:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | except if you call the monitor such |
| 04:01.52 | oOarthurOo | It's free if you're interested |
| 04:02.46 | oOarthurOo | A dirty workaround is to just start rythmbox last, or else restart it if anything ever takes over the leftmost space of the NA |
| 04:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is starting it last "dirty"? |
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| 04:03.30 | oOarthurOo | I would image i could figure out a script to monitor changes to the NA and restart RB if it's playing, thus always keeping it leftmost, but I'm really not that interested in it. |
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| 04:03.51 | oOarthurOo | imagine* |
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| 04:08.29 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: AFAIK there is no "policy" or anything for notification icons either |
| 04:09.05 | SerajewelKS | maybe someday the notification applet will let you drag the icons around, who knows... |
| 04:09.30 | oOarthurOo | With gnome 3 coming, who knows what will happen to NA |
| 04:09.44 | oOarthurOo | I expect I'll have to switch over to xfce |
| 04:09.53 | oOarthurOo | Installed gnome-shell, not a fan |
| 04:10.16 | oOarthurOo | still... I have a few more months to enjoy gnome... |
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| 04:11.34 | SerajewelKS | i don't think gnome-shell is a required component of gnome 3 |
| 04:12.34 | SerajewelKS | mmm i think my gmail replacement setup is working finally... |
| 04:12.36 | oOarthurOo | But gnome-panel development is stopping with gnome 3. So the NA status at this point is in doubt. |
| 04:12.47 | oOarthurOo | AFAIK |
| 04:12.47 | SerajewelKS | dovecot + getmail = woot |
| 04:13.22 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: surely there will at least be a transition period where notification icons are still supported |
| 04:13.23 | oOarthurOo | SerajewelKS: I just learned that any email older than 8 months can be requested by American Law Enforcement agencies WITHOUT a warrant. |
| 04:13.54 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: requested or demanded? |
| 04:14.06 | oOarthurOo | demanded. Let me find the link |
| 04:14.27 | SerajewelKS | like google wouldn't hand it over anyway |
| 04:14.51 | SerajewelKS | can they demand from ISPs only, or also from end users? |
| 04:15.06 | SerajewelKS | what if i run my own MTA? (i do) do i have to hand over my mail? |
| 04:15.16 | SerajewelKS | oh this should be a fun read :) |
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| 04:16.10 | SerajewelKS | also, this makes me happy that i will be using a gpg-capable client too |
| 04:16.19 | SerajewelKS | not that anyone i know actually uses gpg |
| 04:16.39 | james-a-wagner3 | SerajewelKS: As much fun as reading ACTA? |
| 04:16.46 | oOarthurOo | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20002423-38.html |
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| 04:18.31 | oOarthurOo | It's funny... the article doesn't really make that point, it just notes it and takes it for granted. But it's news to me. |
| 04:18.47 | SerajewelKS | everyone's asking me why i'm moving away from gmail. aside from this, uhm, lets see... i have a shit ton of disk space, i want to use gpg more and don't like cut/paste or firegpg, i want to use my own domain (google apps aside) |
| 04:19.19 | SerajewelKS | 7GB of disk space? pff. how about 483GB. suck on that, gmail. |
| 04:19.41 | SerajewelKS | watch, now that i'm all cocky my disk will fail before i get a chance to backup. |
| 04:19.45 | oOarthurOo | ha |
| 04:20.38 | SerajewelKS | "Previously opened e-mail is not in 'electronic storage,'" -- what kind of idiot fucktard attorney... god |
| 04:20.47 | james-a-wagner3 | SerajewelKS: No, your disk won't fail. Your power supply will just catch fire and burn down your entire house. :) |
| 04:21.15 | SerajewelKS | james-a-wagner3: yeah that too |
| 04:21.58 | SerajewelKS | james-a-wagner3: i have a lot of thumb drives though. i might take a backup to work, then weekly bring in another drive as backup and take last week's home and rotate 'em like that. |
| 04:22.09 | fas3r | can i see the dkim key with dig ? |
| 04:22.26 | oOarthurOo | google joined the suit on yahoo's side, but sill... that's crazy. And I'm saying this as a Canadian where 90% of international calls are captured and monitored |
| 04:22.42 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:22.44 | SerajewelKS | fas3r: i think so, dig the TXT records |
| 04:22.44 | simonrvn | it's alled a TXT RR |
| 04:22.48 | simonrvn | ca* |
| 04:23.16 | simonrvn | dig domain.tld txt or dig txt domain.tld |
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| 04:23.45 | fas3r | SerajewelKS, i try but dont work .. |
| 04:24.03 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i'm no fan of google in general (or yahoo) but looks like they do have a backbone |
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| 04:24.12 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: hope they win, or get that legislation they want passed |
| 04:24.26 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 04:24.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 04:24.47 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i mean, the article brings up the fourth amendment... hello, i think the wording is pretty clear. |
| 04:25.02 | fas3r | maybe i need to wait .. |
| 04:25.33 | oOarthurOo | The Amerian DOJ dropped their case, so they "won". But still, 6 months privacy is no privacy. And I think google defends every right they have under the laws of the land, which are few. The youtube case comes to mind, where they fought to protect user idenities in the MPAA case |
| 04:25.55 | SerajewelKS | yeh |
| 04:26.01 | oOarthurOo | But this is probably getting to be an OT convo... so I'll leave it there. |
| 04:26.11 | SerajewelKS | i don't like google owning all my data, which is why i'm moving away from them. but i guess they are pretty responsible. |
| 04:26.24 | SerajewelKS | oh, yeah. so how about that dovecot? |
| 04:27.13 | oOarthurOo | SerajewelKS: You'd probably agree with the points I made in this thread, basically about why people shouldn't use the new Ubuntu One service http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1451159 |
| 04:27.33 | oOarthurOo | couldn't help his OT self |
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| 04:29.04 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: it sounds like yahoo gave in though, and handed over the data they wanted |
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| 04:30.42 | oOarthurOo | Shit... I think you're right. Didn't notice that sentence. |
| 04:31.16 | oOarthurOo | I pisses me off that my doctor uses gmail and thinks my suggestions to get off it are "paranoid" |
| 04:32.04 | oOarthurOo | It also pisses him off that I only communicate with him by phone though, so I guess we're about even there. |
| 04:32.30 | near | hey |
| 04:32.35 | near | a good cli irc application ? |
| 04:32.42 | near | that i can use from ssh |
| 04:32.57 | SerajewelKS | near: i like irssi. also, google would be a good place to start looking... |
| 04:33.06 | james-a-wagner3 | near: Irssi |
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| 04:34.34 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i had a good run with gmail. it looks like i started using it around sept '07 |
| 04:34.55 | fas3r | i just have to do " dkim._domainkey_.domain.ltd IN TXT "k=rsa; t=y; p=my key"; in my zone file ? i dont have to declare dkim before .. |
| 04:35.22 | oOarthurOo | It took me 3 hours to download the wife's emails from gmail. It was surreal reading over the first emails from when we started dating. For that reason alone I will forever love gmail. :) |
| 04:35.29 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: the "available anywhere" features are nice. now that i have my own apartment instead of a dorm room, and a public VPS with a dedicated/static IP, it's rather straightforward to set up my own system. |
| 04:36.02 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: so i have an MTA hosting my domain on my VPS, and a getmail-in-cron setup that pulls from that every minute into a dovecot install on my LAN |
| 04:36.04 | near | there are things ircs are better |
| 04:36.09 | near | google will give me most hits |
| 04:36.12 | the0rkus | how do I install Debian from a LiveUSB to a specific partition? |
| 04:36.34 | near | you would tell me which one you found more comfortable |
| 04:36.34 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: so i get the awesomeness of having my own public MTA, on a clean (non-blacklisted IP), and also the benefits of having all my email on the box three feet to my right |
| 04:36.59 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i'm considering squirrelmail at some point, for for the moment VNC+icedove works relatively well |
| 04:37.04 | SerajewelKS | but* for |
| 04:37.27 | SerajewelKS | so basically, my rig is faster than gmail (when i'm at home) |
| 04:37.50 | oOarthurOo | SerajewelKS: That sounds ideal. As soon as we get a desktop I'll probably look into something similar. But for the near future, it's not financially possible. So deleting email older than 3 months from gmail's servers and storing locally is the next best solution I have come up with after reading that article. |
| 04:38.19 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: this assumes they don't take permanent backups :) |
| 04:39.25 | oOarthurOo | shit... good point. I guess I'll have to try and get her on my domain. |
| 04:39.28 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: and using an IMAP server lets me connect from plenty of locations without having to worry about sync issues. even my phone. |
| 04:39.50 | oOarthurOo | Believe me, in a year (hopefully less) i'll be asking you for details on your setup :) |
| 04:40.11 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: hell, i'm probably gonna install thunderbird at work and just turn off replication |
| 04:40.20 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: i'm planning on blogging the details |
| 04:40.23 | oOarthurOo | Nice |
| 04:40.36 | oOarthurOo | If you could post it also to the debianforums howto section I'd appreciate it |
| 04:40.50 | SerajewelKS | perhaps, or a link |
| 04:40.55 | oOarthurOo | yup |
| 04:41.08 | SerajewelKS | damn, it's been downloading 2008's email for like two hours now |
| 04:41.14 | SerajewelKS | maybe one hour |
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| 04:41.30 | SerajewelKS | i really shouldn't keep my own wikien-l archives... |
| 04:41.52 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: you good when it comes to installing Debian from a LiveUSB but only via the command line? |
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| 04:43.15 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: the general detail is... for the public MTA, postfix and courier-pop3 set up for virtual users through mysql. for the private IMAP server, dovecot and getmail to fetch from courier and gmail. |
| 04:43.25 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: and plenty of sieve rules to automatically sort mail into my folders |
| 04:43.45 | kompulsive | near: irssi. best - client - ever. |
| 04:43.50 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: (that way i don't have to have filters on all my client machines -- pushing as much of the config into the LAN server is the goal here) |
| 04:43.58 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: got a sieve frontend yet? |
| 04:44.05 | SerajewelKS | wols_: sure do, vi |
| 04:44.20 | oOarthurOo | sounds like a pretty slick solution. I hope you post a link to debianforums... whenever it comes bakc up that is |
| 04:44.21 | wols_ | ok. a GUI frontend (or web) |
| 04:44.35 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i thought about it, then decided not to pursure it |
| 04:44.43 | SerajewelKS | pursue too |
| 04:45.06 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: any reason why you tageted me in particular? |
| 04:45.06 | wols_ | oOarthurOo: http://workaround.org/ispmail |
| 04:45.38 | wols_ | !tell the0rkus about usb install |
| 04:45.39 | simonrvn | wols_: there's some old web ui perl scripts around |
| 04:45.48 | oOarthurOo | cool link wols_ bookmarked as I don't have an alwats on system yet:( |
| 04:46.33 | SerajewelKS | wols_: the "big picture" graphic there is roughly my setup, except that i don't use spamassassin (yet) |
| 04:46.38 | oOarthurOo | had one... but the ex-wife took it... in addition to "the whole damn planet" |
| 04:46.52 | oOarthurOo | great line |
| 04:47.03 | SerajewelKS | wols_: and also, postfix delivers to a maildir that courier hosts, which getmail pulls from into another IMAP server... so basically, the net effect is the same, there's just some more steps. |
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| 04:47.47 | SerajewelKS | i dunno why they have two postfix setups though |
| 04:47.50 | the0rkus | wols_: thanks for that, I have the USB working fully, I just want to know how to install to a certain partition I have made :P |
| 04:48.01 | aabrahao | hi, any idea how to install debian 5 in hyper-v/ |
| 04:48.10 | aabrahao | hi, any idea how to install debian 5 in hyper-v? |
| 04:48.44 | wols_ | the0rkus: the install guide which you got a link to tells you how to. do a manual partitioning and declare your partition to b / |
| 04:48.48 | wols_ | to be / |
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| 04:49.37 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: halfway through june... damn |
| 04:49.57 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: gmail doesn't make all my messages available at once either, the pop3 server seems to give me ~1000 at a time |
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| 04:50.10 | the0rkus | wols_: I understand that, but I am running from a PS3, I have a LiveUSB connected and up, I have a partition called /dev/ps3da1 on the ps3, but I have no way of installing the Debian arch to the partition... I thought it was just a command? |
| 04:50.14 | simonrvn | wols_: it's sad that no one's ever written a really good and low overhead gui sieve script handler. best one i've seen is tb's, other than hand editing ;). |
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| 04:51.06 | SerajewelKS | a gui for a language as flexible as sieve would either limit your possibilities, or essentially be autocomplete |
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| 04:52.00 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: oh, i'm not sure how much you know about sieve, but the one downside is that "refiltering" can be wonky. like if you downloaded 100 messages and realized that you wanted to filter some 50 of them into various folders. |
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| 04:52.21 | wols_ | the0rkus: no it'S not a command. there is a debian installer. are you running it? |
| 04:52.47 | the0rkus | wols_: all I have at the moment is ps3user@ps3debian:~$ |
| 04:52.49 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: the solution is to create a "refilter" IMAP folder and have getmail poll that every minute or so, take the messages and re-deliver them to dovecot and then delete the ones in the refilter folder |
| 04:52.58 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: that has the net effect of running them back through your sieve rules |
| 04:53.02 | the0rkus | wols_: I've already created the partition, but I don't know how to run the installer |
| 04:53.04 | wols_ | the0rkus: where did you get this "liveusb" distro? |
| 04:53.16 | the0rkus | hang on, I'll link |
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| 04:53.44 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: is it dovecot or getmail that has the sieve scripts? |
| 04:53.48 | the0rkus | wols_: not mine exactly, but similar http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-howto/ps3-bootloader-install-howto.txt |
| 04:53.49 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: it's not a sexy as gmail's filter gui, but it gets the job done |
| 04:54.02 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: specifically, the dovecot delivery agent |
| 04:54.12 | simonrvn | ah ok. thank you. |
| 04:54.23 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: getmail just acts as a mechanism to run them back through the delivery agent, which runs them through sieve again |
| 04:54.30 | the0rkus | wols_: pretty sure mine is closer to this one http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-howto/ps3-debian-install-howto.txt |
| 04:54.46 | SerajewelKS | just don't create sieve rules to file stuff in refilter :) |
| 04:54.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:55.03 | simonrvn | i use cyrus-imao |
| 04:55.04 | SerajewelKS | unless you like loops |
| 04:55.06 | simonrvn | p |
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| 04:55.31 | SerajewelKS | oh jeez it's already 1am |
| 04:55.36 | wols_ | the0rkus: I want to know which liveusb distro you run, not howtos how to isntall stuff |
| 04:55.37 | SerajewelKS | no wonder i'm so tired... night everyone |
| 04:55.44 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 04:55.55 | simonrvn | i'm heading there too after my smoke |
| 04:55.57 | the0rkus | wols_: this one http://linuxupc.upc.es/~hecormar/debian-ps3/ps3_ppc64_debian_live_sid.iso |
| 04:56.51 | SerajewelKS | oh, and i named my refilter folder "z-refilter" just so it sticks to the bottom of the folder list in my clients |
| 04:56.52 | wols_ | !tell the0rkus about debootstrap |
| 04:57.25 | the0rkus | wols_: so I should just chroot into /dev/ps3da1? |
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| 04:58.14 | wols_ | no you cannot chroot into that. you can only chroot into mounted filesystems |
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| 04:58.18 | wols_ | read the docs |
| 04:58.36 | nsadmin | or into directories on mounted filesystems |
| 04:58.43 | oOarthurOo | night SerajewelKS pleasure chatting with you |
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| 05:00.04 | the0rkus | wols_: then how do I install it to that partition if I'm installing it to a mounted filesystem, it makes no sense? :l |
| 05:01.34 | valdyn | the0rkus: the fs is a different abstraction layer, not a different physical device, it makes sense |
| 05:02.18 | wols_ | the0rkus: it does make sense. I suggest you install debian the normal way since you apparently lack the knowledge to do it otherwise. do a normal debian usb install |
| 05:02.38 | the0rkus | wols_: I have no other way to do it but command line |
| 05:03.23 | wols_ | the0rkus: that is no problem. debian by default installs via "commandline" as you put it |
| 05:03.50 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: are you installing to a local or remote hd? |
| 05:04.09 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: local, it is the PS3 that I'm trying to install it too |
| 05:04.16 | wols_ | however, for a PS3, you want yellow dog linux. they specialise in PS3 basically |
| 05:04.42 | the0rkus | wols_: that's my problem, I want to create a debian arch from scratch and install my own userland |
| 05:05.20 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: There is this... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual you have to select your architecture... and for PS3, you've obviously confirmed that the PS3 you are installing to supports linux? Even older versions with newer firmware versions have had their linux support disabled. |
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| 05:06.05 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: I haven't had it connected to the net for at least a year, so I doubt it has had it disabled |
| 05:06.19 | oOarthurOo | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10471356-17.html |
| 05:06.31 | aabrahao | hi, any idea how to install debian 5 in hyper-v? |
| 05:06.35 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: agreed. don't connect to the net and update if you want to run linux on it |
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| 05:07.18 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: only problem is the installation of Debian to the actual partition itself, guess I'm going back to google and looking around for other tuts on debootstrap :P |
| 05:07.39 | krebipeti | help please |
| 05:08.00 | the0rkus | wols_: could I not just use debian-installer and select the right partition? |
| 05:08.09 | krebipeti | i want to create debian live CD using live heler |
| 05:08.13 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: never done that before... I have a ps3, but don't see any reason to try and run debian on it. Why are you? A quick search of teh interwebs turned this up... in case you haven't seen it http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live |
| 05:08.43 | nsadmin | I need to convert flv videos to mpeg4s... when I try, the audio stops being in sync, and the movie ends and the audio is cut off (so the audio is slower)... anyone know what might be going on? |
| 05:08.52 | krebipeti | but...i have some problem....this is the log that generated...http://cdupload.com/files/130862_0js8i/buildlog.txt |
| 05:09.18 | krebipeti | after the last step...it stuck for many hour |
| 05:09.28 | krebipeti | please help m |
| 05:09.34 | valdyn | nsadmin: use different software |
| 05:09.42 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: cheers, just what I needed :P I'm trying to do something with the debian arch, building my own userland ontop |
| 05:09.50 | valdyn | nsadmin: i dont think theres point in debugging this |
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| 05:10.16 | valdyn | nsadmin: like use a different container or mencoder isntead of ffmpeg or do muxing in a seperate step |
| 05:10.19 | nsadmin | valdyn: ever had that happen? |
| 05:10.25 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:10.43 | nsadmin | what were some of the causes, if you ever found out? |
| 05:11.11 | valdyn | nsadmin: I didnt care, i just did what i just suggested and split demuxing, converting and muxing into 3 distinct steps |
| 05:11.48 | nsadmin | one thing I noticed is while it was converting it said "identical frame" or like that |
| 05:12.13 | valdyn | that could be an mplayer / mencoder artifact that i remember |
| 05:12.43 | nsadmin | would throwing out all but one identical frames cause that? |
| 05:12.59 | valdyn | yes |
| 05:13.34 | valdyn | im not sure what it means, but it *could* mean that someone already did a framerate conversion on that movie |
| 05:13.52 | valdyn | so you couldnt just throw out frames |
| 05:14.08 | nsadmin | so demuxing is splitting into separate vid/aud files? |
| 05:14.15 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:14.40 | valdyn | basically the mplayer muxer sucks |
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| 05:14.42 | nsadmin | yeah I got lazy and tried to do it as one op |
| 05:14.57 | valdyn | while mkvmerge for example is great |
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| 05:15.12 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 05:15.20 | valdyn | and mkv muxer |
| 05:15.21 | nsadmin | full-on editor? |
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| 05:15.30 | valdyn | command line tool |
| 05:15.49 | nsadmin | is it in main? |
| 05:15.54 | valdyn | and mkv is the best movie container in my experience |
| 05:16.15 | valdyn | avi probably the worst in use |
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| 05:17.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: what are you actually using though? |
| 05:17.13 | valdyn | nsadmin: maybe handbrake does all you want already... |
| 05:17.24 | nsadmin | I'd have to look at my history and see what I did |
| 05:19.02 | valdyn | mkvtoolnix - Set of command-line tools to work with Matroska files |
| 05:19.26 | nsadmin | looks like I may have lost the history of it |
| 05:19.30 | valdyn | mp4tools - Suite of scripts to encode Audio and Video in many formats |
| 05:20.11 | oOarthurOo | ok.. I should probably install lenny on my spare partition... running sid with no backup is probably a real dumb idea |
| 05:20.54 | nsadmin | yeah, it went out of my history |
| 05:21.58 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo: if you're doing anything but testing, and you have real data on any drive connected to the same computer as the sid, you're taking at least a small risk |
| 05:22.03 | nsadmin | s/and/or/ |
| 05:22.06 | maple1 | lick mike literus |
| 05:23.06 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: I know... I was running testin for years, but one drunken night decided to go sid ... and I'm loving it... but yeah, upon sober reflection and with some time to kill... I think it's time to be responsible again |
| 05:23.38 | nsadmin | one way to do that is daily backups of your /home |
| 05:24.26 | nsadmin | and any other partition with valuable data |
| 05:24.26 | oOarthurOo | I'm unware of any bugs that have corrupted /home data. Making the computer unusable, sure, but that? |
| 05:25.02 | nsadmin | I'm assuming you're doing real work, which would likely involve creating/editing files in your home dir |
| 05:25.06 | oOarthurOo | So long as the data is recoverable from a live cd I'm not concerned. But for fixing it it's be nice to have a usable system to chroot from |
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| 05:25.49 | twantakur | j query |
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| 05:26.38 | nsadmin | if you're just having fun AND you're not creating data AND no drives connected to the computer have sensitive data you're not backing up, you're probably ok |
| 05:27.17 | nsadmin | in my opinion the partitions don't even have to be mounted to be vulnerable to some unknown sid bug |
| 05:27.33 | maple1 | I hate niggers |
| 05:27.37 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: none of those conditions apply. I rarely have fun. I create 'data', if by that you mean bullshit, always, and it's a laptop with no external drives being a financial reality |
| 05:27.51 | nsadmin | !ops maple1 racist |
| 05:27.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: maple1 racist |
| 05:28.11 | oOarthurOo | !ops maple1 grammar |
| 05:28.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ooarthuroo complains about: maple1 grammar |
| 05:28.27 | oOarthurOo | that n word should be capitalized |
| 05:28.34 | maple1 | White Power! |
| 05:28.51 | maple1 | Down with kikes, spics, and niggers |
| 05:29.00 | maple1 | chinks are ok if you keep them under control |
| 05:29.33 | oOarthurOo | is intrigued and wishes to subscribe to his magazine which more clearly outlines his crazy ideas. |
| 05:29.48 | oOarthurOo | also wishes op would get the ban hammer out soon |
| 05:29.54 | maple1 | I consider myself a social progressive |
| 05:29.57 | maple1 | and a liberal |
| 05:30.17 | nsadmin | I consider you /ignored |
| 05:30.25 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: how to do? |
| 05:30.30 | maple1 | NIGGER |
| 05:30.34 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 05:30.53 | maple1 | I need some help with debian linocks |
| 05:31.13 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.18 | oOarthurOo | Jesus, not all the letters need to be capitalized. What elementary school did you drop out of? |
| 05:31.19 | maple1 | I installed the 41-bit version but it's all fucked up |
| 05:31.39 | maple1 | I'm using an intell inside precesser |
| 05:31.46 | maple1 | 3 gigawatts or something |
| 05:32.02 | nsadmin | touch it |
| 05:32.15 | nsadmin | then we don't need to kline you :) |
| 05:32.16 | maple1 | help me get my lincocks working |
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| 05:32.46 | maple1 | I'LL BUY WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE IF YOU DON"T |
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| 05:32.52 | maple1 | YOU'RE PROVING MS IS BETTER |
| 05:32.54 | maple1 | REEEEEEEEEEH |
| 05:32.58 | nsadmin | good |
| 05:33.12 | nsadmin | please do |
| 05:33.15 | maple1 | LINUX HAS SHITTY SUPPORT |
| 05:33.22 | james-a-wagner3 | is lhaoing at maple1's bad attempt at trolling. |
| 05:33.35 | nsadmin | you ever think it's how you treat supporters? |
| 05:33.41 | maple1 | YOU ALL REFUSE TO HELP ME GET MY LANAX 63-BIT OPERATING SERVER RUNNING |
| 05:33.50 | nsadmin | correct |
| 05:33.50 | wols_ | !ops please remove maple1 |
| 05:33.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: please remove maple1 |
| 05:34.04 | maple1 | !OPS wols_ is trolling |
| 05:34.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: maple1 complains about: wols_ is trolling |
| 05:34.11 | grondilu | Hi, I used to send my email from command line using Exim and my Google account. I can't do that anymore with Yahoo! account. I've never succeed in configurating Yahoo! for exim. Has anybody succeeded in this ? |
| 05:34.16 | maple1 | BACK TO MY QUESTION |
| 05:34.28 | bikcmp | maple1: Sure, what is it? |
| 05:34.32 | wols_ | grondilu: does yahoo even offer a smtprelay? |
| 05:34.36 | bikcmp | maple1: just light the machine on fire. |
| 05:34.39 | bikcmp | helps a lot. |
| 05:34.40 | grondilu | ampl1: stop screeming please |
| 05:34.47 | sussudio | maple1: eat, shit, die. |
| 05:34.49 | maple1 | I'M NOT |
| 05:34.52 | bikcmp | maple1: I understand. |
| 05:34.56 | bikcmp | maple1: What is the question? |
| 05:35.06 | grondilu | I'm not sure, does it ? |
| 05:35.10 | wols_ | bikcmp: don't. it's a racist troll |
| 05:35.12 | nsadmin | sussudio: didn';t you just describe all of life? |
| 05:35.16 | bikcmp | wols_: I know. |
| 05:35.19 | maple1 | I INSTALLED 82-BIT UBUNTU DEBIAN REDHAT LINUX AND I CAN'T PLAY COUNTER-POON |
| 05:35.23 | wols_ | grondilu: check it |
| 05:35.26 | bikcmp | wols_: I know what I'm doing. |
| 05:35.27 | bikcmp | ;) |
| 05:35.34 | bikcmp | maple1: I see, have you tried wine? |
| 05:35.39 | maple1 | ON MY PRODUCTION SERVER |
| 05:35.45 | wols_ | bikcmp: no you're not. unless you are an op |
| 05:35.47 | maple1 | I RUN A LARGE CORPORATION |
| 05:35.50 | wols_ | bikcmp: please stop |
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| 05:36.05 | maple1 | I'M ON MY 10TH GLASS OF WINE |
| 05:36.12 | maple1 | TY FOR ASKING |
| 05:36.20 | bikcmp | wols_: I'm not a op on this channel, no, I've delt with trolls before. |
| 05:36.27 | bikcmp | maple1: apt-get install wine |
| 05:36.47 | maple1 | OK THANK YOU |
| 05:37.11 | bikcmp | maple1: :) |
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| 05:39.36 | nsadmin | aha, you got him to trigger the bot |
| 05:39.50 | james-a-wagner3 | You know, I am at loss as to maple1's age. I want to think he's three but I don't think a three year old could use IRC. |
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| 05:40.03 | bikcmp | What I'd do is stop talking about it. ;) |
| 05:40.11 | bikcmp | and he'll get bored :) |
| 05:40.23 | Avash | is there command to install deb packages? |
| 05:40.25 | fas3r | i try to use dkim but i dont see my key with dig. i have add this line in zone file of bind : dkimsign._domainkey.domain.ltd IN TXT "k=rsa; t=y; p=Mykey;"' .. i need to declare dkimsign like a CNAME or other ... i'm little lost ... : / |
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| 05:40.28 | bikcmp | Avash: dpkg -i |
| 05:40.32 | Avash | thanks |
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| 05:41.05 | nsadmin | also for entertainment purposes only,.. try dpkg --help |
| 05:41.16 | Avash | nsadmin, no :D |
| 05:41.28 | nsadmin | or man dpkg |
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| 05:47.59 | the0rkus | when I type sudo cfdisk, I get an error |
| 05:48.04 | wols_ | fas3r: I'd ask #bind or such |
| 05:48.07 | bikcmp | the0rkus: What error? |
| 05:48.24 | the0rkus | Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected. Use GNU Parted. |
| 05:48.43 | bikcmp | the0rkus: apt-get install parted |
| 05:48.46 | bikcmp | the0rkus: then parted |
| 05:49.27 | the0rkus | bikcmp: go I need to be connected to the net? :l cos I haven't got it setup yet |
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| 05:50.01 | oOarthurOo | the0rkus: not if you have the cd you installed from and it was not a netinst |
| 05:50.49 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: I used a liveCD and copied all the folders over to my USB, I think it might have been a netinst :P how do I check? |
| 05:51.27 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: it's only 181mb, I'm guessing a netinst cd |
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| 05:52.03 | Avash | is there command lineto power off wifi? |
| 05:52.19 | Avash | and power on as well |
| 05:53.03 | grondilu | Avash: ifdown wlan0 ? |
| 05:53.18 | Avash | dont know.. need to check |
| 05:53.35 | Avash | so.. it will power wif or just disable it? |
| 05:54.01 | grondilu | just disable. I don' t know for power. That's a good question. |
| 05:54.49 | Avash | also in my debian panel didnt find shut down applet.. can i create one? |
| 05:55.57 | Avash | !shutdown |
| 05:55.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shutdown is "shutdown -h now", or ask me about <poweroff>. |
| 05:56.01 | the0rkus | oOarthurOo: what one do I choose for a PS3 when it comes to the full cd image? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 05:56.10 | Avash | !poweroff |
| 05:56.11 | dpkg | If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See http://bugs.debian.org/390547 for more information. |
| 05:56.30 | Vasistha | the0rkus: indeed, 180 MB is the netinst CD ... the best one :) |
| 05:57.01 | the0rkus | Vasistha: I know, but I can't do a netinst on my PS3 when it doesn't have any access to the WiFi card |
| 05:57.03 | the0rkus | **chip |
| 05:57.07 | Vasistha | !tell Avash about msg the bot |
| 05:57.26 | the0rkus | Vasistha: what would be the best liveCD image in that collection for my situation? |
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| 05:58.09 | the0rkus | Vasistha: debian-504-powerpc-CD-8.iso ? |
| 05:58.09 | Vasistha | Avash: my wireless card will scan for networks even when it's not connected. To prevent it from doing so, I modprobe -r its module |
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| 05:58.18 | Vasistha | the0rkus: oh, the netinst can install a base system just fine without net access. I do it all the time. |
| 05:58.33 | Avash | Vasistha, that is strange... |
| 05:58.33 | Vasistha | the0rkus: the business card version can't, but you've got the netinst. |
| 05:58.38 | the0rkus | Vasistha: can I pm you? |
| 05:58.42 | Vasistha | no. |
| 05:58.48 | Vasistha | !private |
| 05:58.48 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 05:58.59 | the0rkus | alright, sorry |
| 05:59.05 | Vasistha | it's okay to ask |
| 05:59.17 | Avash | leave it.. i am trying to make a shut down applet. |
| 05:59.18 | the0rkus | well, I'm stuck, I'm at the stage where I want to create a partition |
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| 05:59.44 | the0rkus | but cfdisk gets an error about the GUID partition not being supported |
| 05:59.44 | Vasistha | the0rkus: I'm not sure how partitioning relates to access to a wifi card... |
| 06:00.07 | Vasistha | the0rkus: have you read instructions from people who have installed on a ps3? That is an unusual platform |
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| 06:00.26 | the0rkus | Vasistha: I then need to get parted via sudo apt-get install parted, but because I'm not connected to wifi, I can't |
| 06:01.16 | wols_ | not long ago the0rkus said he already had a partition he wanted to install to. now why does he need to use fdisk again? |
| 06:01.47 | the0rkus | wols_: because I reformatted and now it has gone kaput, something about a GUID partition table not being supported |
| 06:02.12 | Vasistha | the0rkus: so how did you get it set up the first time? |
| 06:02.26 | the0rkus | Vasistha: it just worked, cfdisk and created a new partition |
| 06:02.36 | Vasistha | the0rkus: ...and then you destroyed it? |
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| 06:03.13 | the0rkus | Vasistha: yeah, I reformatted the PS3 to set it up again, and now it is a GUID partition table, which cfdisk won't allow |
| 06:03.16 | Vasistha | the0rkus: well, at any rate, if you need parted, my advice would be to use it from a bootable maintenance cd; my personal favorite is grml |
| 06:03.29 | near | is there a tool to measure how much my hard drive is writing? to see if thats the problem |
| 06:03.45 | valdyn | near: iotop |
| 06:03.49 | the0rkus | Vasistha: does it include powerpc? |
| 06:04.04 | Vasistha | the0rkus: I don't have any idea, that's a good question. |
| 06:04.56 | Vasistha | the0rkus: at any rate... why don't you just do whatever you did the first time to set up the partition table? You got it working before, no? So do that again? |
| 06:04.58 | near | thanks |
| 06:05.15 | the0rkus | Vasistha: I've tried it numerous times now, I just keep coming back to the same error |
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| 06:05.22 | Avash | is there any keyboard application to mke it type fast? i type fast but my pc is not taking it... and if i type too fast then words are skipped. |
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| 06:05.37 | the0rkus | something about a FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 06:07.29 | Vasistha | Avash: that's very strange. what application are you using where you are observing this behavior? |
| 06:07.44 | Avash | Vasistha, in all |
| 06:07.59 | the0rkus | starting again, going to boot back into GameOS and delete the partition, then reinstall OtherOS and then try the cfdisk command |
| 06:08.07 | Avash | Vasistha, terminal, xchat, etc ec |
| 06:08.20 | Vasistha | Avash: including the virtual terminal, ctrl-alt-f1 ? (ctrl-alt-f7 to come back) |
| 06:08.35 | Avash | just a min |
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| 06:09.25 | Avash | Vasistha, yes.. i typed my name is... it just typed my and stopped |
| 06:09.32 | wols_ | hopes he installs YDL instead. better all around |
| 06:09.49 | the0rkus | wols_: can I install my own userland ontop of YDL? |
| 06:10.07 | Vasistha | Avash: have you googled for this problem with regard to your specific hardware? |
| 06:10.15 | wols_ | !tell the0rkus about PS3 |
| 06:10.17 | Avash | Vasistha, nope |
| 06:10.37 | wols_ | YDL has the advantage of basically specializing for the Ps3 |
| 06:10.58 | Vasistha | Avash: well, that's probably gonna be more helpful then me :) |
| 06:11.19 | the0rkus | wols_: I know that, but is it possible to build my own userland/GUI over the top of YDL? |
| 06:12.10 | wols_ | sure. it's linux. why wouldn't it be possible? |
| 06:12.27 | the0rkus | wols_: I guess so, sorry about wasting everyones time :P |
| 06:12.30 | wols_ | why you'd want to write your own X11 like interface is beyond me, but sure it's doable |
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| 06:14.02 | the0rkus | wols_: who said I was building my own and not implementing someone elses? :P |
| 06:14.09 | mick_laptop | anyone know how i can automatically reconnect ssh when my internet connection dies and comes back up? |
| 06:15.05 | wols_ | mick_laptop: a script that runs ssh and as soon as ssh exits (when the connection is gone), jumps back to the beginning of the script and reruns ssh |
| 06:16.53 | mick_laptop | i thought that it had to do w/ ssh_config options (like: ServerAliveInterval etc.) |
| 06:17.44 | mick_laptop | i'm a bit lost in all of the options: ServerAliveCountMax, TCPKeepAlive, ServerAliveInterval... etc |
| 06:17.49 | near | i think i read |
| 06:17.53 | Vasistha | mick_laptop: #openssh may have a better grasp of such nuances |
| 06:18.06 | near | that there was a script that happened when dhcp got an address |
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| 06:20.07 | mick_laptop | Vasistha: lol, that channel has been pretty dead for years |
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| 06:20.56 | mick_laptop | i'll just reread the man page a few times until i get it :) |
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| 06:21.48 | Vasistha | it's really a shame the software authors don't write better documentation. So many people could save so many hours if features were clearly described. |
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| 06:22.22 | mick_laptop | the docs are good, just this particular thing isn't very clear, many things sound similar |
| 06:23.25 | Vasistha | if this thing isn't clear then that part of the documentation isn't good... |
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| 06:37.14 | mozafar | hi al |
| 06:37.16 | mozafar | l |
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| 06:38.44 | hanibanaa | The iptables modules are not loaded automatically at my Lenny server. What's the reason? |
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| 06:39.58 | valdyn | hanibanaa: they are loaded when they are used |
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| 06:42.28 | hanibanaa | valdyn: so why when I run iptable-save I get the error: "Unable to open /proc/net/ip_tables_names: No such file or directory" ? |
| 06:43.18 | valdyn | hanibanaa: youre not running a debian kernel? |
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| 06:44.03 | valdyn | hanibanaa: people often come here asking about a lenny system when its really a vps on top of a redhat kernel ;) |
| 06:44.10 | valdyn | hanibanaa: uname -r |
| 06:44.12 | hanibanaa | valdyn: uname -> Linux tct-mail 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:44.32 | valdyn | hanibanaa: looks like a debian kernel at least |
| 06:44.51 | hanibanaa | valdyn: its debian lenny. |
| 06:44.56 | hanibanaa | be sure ;) |
| 06:45.40 | valdyn | hanibanaa: "modprobe ip_tables" gives what ? |
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| 06:47.57 | hanibanaa | valdyn: I've already done that to get iptables work and used /etc/modules... But, it was rare for me this problem. |
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| 06:50.11 | hanibanaa | don't know why this specific system has this problem. |
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| 07:06.47 | hanibanaa | valdyn: thanks for help |
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| 07:16.59 | ceil | !squeeze |
| 07:16.59 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 07:17.13 | ceil | !testing |
| 07:17.13 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 07:17.18 | ceil | puh |
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| 07:17.38 | ceil | so when does Testing become Stable? t's gonna be end-of-yearish innit? |
| 07:18.15 | petern_ | when it's ready |
| 07:18.36 | ceil | petern_: i thought when Lenny became Stable, Debian said they were doin' 2yr releases :o |
| 07:18.47 | ceil | am i remembering wrong? |
| 07:19.04 | petern_ | yeah, but bugs seem to have got in the way |
| 07:19.08 | ceil | ah |
| 07:19.22 | petern_ | and you don't want to end up with something like ubuntu, do you? ;) |
| 07:19.27 | ceil | lol hellno |
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| 07:19.41 | ceil | there are reasons i don't use ubuntu :p |
| 07:20.07 | tensorpudding | Debian could have a fixed-release schedule while not being like Ubuntu. |
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| 07:22.11 | ceil | tensorpudding: well when it comes down to it, i'd rather it be stable at release whenever they release than unstable at release because it's X date and they HAVE to push it out NOW |
| 07:22.39 | ceil | but yeh, i hope they're working to keep it stable as possible leading up to release :) |
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| 07:29.20 | hemanth | i install oracle as per the instruction in there site for debian, but getting this error when i try to any operations in the sqlpus : ORA-01109: database not open; what might be the issue? |
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| 07:32.12 | mkrist | I'm having trouble with slow IPv6 DNS lookups.. I don't use ipv6 at all, so I want to disable IPV6 DNS.. I've tried disabling the ipv6 module, but it doesn't work. I know this is the problem, because when I turn off ipv6 dns, it gets fast again, but in other applications there are no options to turn it off. Any ideas? |
| 07:32.39 | mkrist | I mean, the module isn't loaded and doesn't load at boot-time, but I still have slow DNS |
| 07:32.43 | dark | then fix the problem of slowness |
| 07:32.55 | dark | might i suggest djbdns? i just managed to get it to work |
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| 07:33.16 | dark | it has a cache named dnscache, really improves the performance of dns (in general) |
| 07:34.54 | dark | another option is dnsmasq, http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq |
| 07:35.47 | mkrist | I think just not loading the ipv6 module used to work.. is it supposed not to work anymore? |
| 07:35.49 | dark | mkrist, i think the standard djbdns has no ipv6 option, then configuring it as your dns server might cause all ipv6 lookups to fail instantly |
| 07:35.58 | mkrist | But thanks, I will look into those option |
| 07:35.59 | mkrist | :) |
| 07:36.01 | dark | i don't know |
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| 07:36.36 | dark | about djbdns: aptitude install djbdns dnscache-run |
| 07:36.44 | mkrist | yeah, I just did that |
| 07:36.51 | mkrist | figuring out what to do next :) |
| 07:36.53 | dark | then, edit /etc/resolv.conf to use 127.0.0.1 as your server |
| 07:37.01 | dark | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:37.12 | mkrist | yeah, it seems to have done that for me |
| 07:37.17 | dark | the first lookups will be slower |
| 07:37.36 | dark | but you will not be using your isp's dns anymore =) |
| 07:38.14 | dark | i'm using dbndns, a debian fork that happens to support ipv6 records |
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| 07:38.25 | abadr | Can you use daemontools to supervise a service that forks multiple processes? |
| 07:38.33 | dark | yes |
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| 07:38.57 | abadr | Sweet. Thanks. |
| 07:39.02 | mkrist | dak, thanks, it seems to work much better now :) |
| 07:39.08 | dark | abadr, is this related to debian? |
| 07:39.18 | dark | abadr, i happened to be talking about djbdns |
| 07:39.23 | abadr | oh |
| 07:39.25 | dark | mkrist, ^^ |
| 07:39.39 | gmarselis | good morning |
| 07:39.41 | abadr | dark: well, I'm running debian, and #linux didn't respond. have a better idea? |
| 07:39.47 | dark | abadr, djb's webpage has some info on daemontools |
| 07:39.53 | abadr | barely |
| 07:39.54 | gmarselis | is maintaining dns records |
| 07:40.07 | dark | project2501a, hello |
| 07:40.14 | dark | abadr, barely? |
| 07:40.38 | dark | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 07:40.49 | abadr | yes, i've read that |
| 07:41.37 | dark | you should look http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html too |
| 07:42.15 | nsadmin | abadr: I got it to work from that document |
| 07:42.26 | abadr | nsadmin: which? |
| 07:42.27 | nsadmin | and not viewing a single line of the source |
| 07:42.30 | nsadmin | daemontools |
| 07:42.46 | abadr | nsadmin: well, you probably know more low-level stuff than i do |
| 07:43.02 | abadr | also, i can get it to work and still not know if it will be working right with multiple processes, which is what i asked about |
| 07:43.03 | nsadmin | so you read it and got what? nothing? |
| 07:43.04 | dark | (or not necessarily; i found it nice to write a server in shell script, but it mostly replaces inetd) |
| 07:43.38 | nsadmin | the thing is daemontools or the like control one process apiece |
| 07:43.54 | nsadmin | that one process, if it dies, daemontools restarts |
| 07:44.19 | nsadmin | that one process is free to make more processes, which it is responsible for |
| 07:44.54 | abadr | that makes sense |
| 07:44.57 | nsadmin | in particular, if svd -d is called on it, it's supposed to cause the other processes to terminate |
| 07:45.06 | nsadmin | svc |
| 07:45.29 | abadr | I guess I can play with svc and see if the service behaves well |
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| 07:46.40 | nsadmin | so if you have a process which starts up, forks another process which stays around, then exits, that's probably not somethign you want to use daemontools for. having said that, I have never checked for that kind of functionality on the part of daemontools |
| 07:47.03 | nsadmin | did it create the supervise dir? |
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| 07:48.40 | nsadmin | if you look thru the output of ps aux | cat |
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| 07:49.16 | nsadmin | you will find a "display" that is used to try to show what things that are started by daemontools are doign |
| 07:50.12 | abadr | looking into things, bbiab |
| 07:50.16 | abadr | thanks for your explanation |
| 07:50.27 | nsadmin | np |
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| 07:51.52 | nsadmin | btw if you see wild process table stuff going on (like emptying the process table REALLY fast), then it might be that the thing you're trying to control forks and exits |
| 07:53.33 | abadr | svstat is useful |
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| 07:57.58 | Avash | nm applet doesnt show up in my gnome panel.. how can i get it? |
| 07:59.18 | nsadmin | you trying to control wired or wireless? |
| 07:59.24 | Avash | wireless |
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| 08:00.34 | nsadmin | I would assume there's use for that... but try iwlist scan |
| 08:01.01 | Avash | and |
| 08:01.13 | Avash | it shows essids |
| 08:01.17 | nsadmin | look for something to connect to |
| 08:01.21 | Avash | yeah |
| 08:01.35 | Avash | how about wpa? |
| 08:01.40 | nsadmin | so, it looks like the driver is good, the hardware is good, the radio is good and there are networks |
| 08:01.45 | Avash | yeah |
| 08:01.55 | nsadmin | that's about all I can tell ya |
| 08:01.55 | Avash | it shows up sometimes and sometimes doesnt |
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| 08:03.57 | Avash | and when i nm-applet in console it says: " ** (nm-applet:2281): WARNING **: <WARN> nam_dbus_update_wireless_enabled_cb(): dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) THe name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files |
| 08:07.19 | nsadmin | is NetworkManager a java applet? |
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| 08:10.10 | Avash | i dont know |
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| 08:36.07 | abadr | thanks again ns |
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| 08:55.45 | strings_ | hello, does anyone know how to remove the packages that a meta package installs? |
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| 08:56.27 | streuner | GNOME? |
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| 08:57.05 | strings_ | something like that. I would like to remove evething but say minimal. |
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| 08:58.16 | strings_ | basically I'm doing some work with some nfsroots but I dont want to have to keep reinstalling the root with debbootstrap in order to purge installed packages. |
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| 09:45.38 | shift_wreck | yeah, its not working :/ |
| 09:46.26 | shift_wreck | yeah, if i just use ssh hostname it works but it wont work for autossh |
| 09:46.40 | shift_wreck | im prolly asking the wrong questions :/ |
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| 10:20.41 | kurkale6ka | Hi, there is a number displayed by ls defined as the number of hard links to the file. So does 45 for a directory mean that there are 45 links to that directory?! |
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| 10:25.36 | jonathan_ | bonjour, j'ai installé w32codecs mais je ne parviens toujours pas àlire mes fichiers vidéos |
| 10:25.50 | cahoot | !fr |
| 10:25.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:29.16 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: yes. Every subdirectory contains a hardlink named ".." pointing to the parent |
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| 10:35.43 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: ok, I have a dir with only 1 subdir in it and yet the number displayed is 3 instead of 1. Why is that? |
| 10:36.14 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.02 | kurkale6ka | wols_: .. would point to its parent so it shouldn't count |
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| 10:37.19 | kurkale6ka | so . and .. in the subdir = 2 |
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| 10:39.50 | johaBBa | what package do i install to use the gnome frontend for debconf? |
| 10:39.57 | kurkale6ka | There is one link I can't find |
| 10:41.25 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: wols_ ^^ |
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| 10:46.20 | EGreg | hey . Lots of people here? |
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| 10:46.35 | sweb | hail |
| 10:46.49 | sweb | how cai find my dvd is what version of debian |
| 10:46.50 | sweb | ? |
| 10:47.03 | sweb | 5.0.0 or 5.0.4 ? |
| 10:47.11 | michalxo | readme ;-) |
| 10:47.51 | EGreg | is debian > ubuntu? and why? |
| 10:48.28 | sweb | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 "Lenny" - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20090214-19:45 |
| 10:48.32 | DASPRiD | actually it's <, because ubuntu adds additional patches ;) |
| 10:48.33 | pngwn | !tekk EGreg -about why debian |
| 10:48.36 | sweb | it's old version ? |
| 10:48.43 | jart | EGreg: they're both lovely :) |
| 10:48.47 | michalxo | EGreg how experienced you are? |
| 10:49.31 | johaBBa | next go to #ubuntu and get completely different answers |
| 10:49.45 | michalxo | I was 4 years with ubuntu, now trying debian :-) it's pretty the same, except few details.. can't decide which one is better though.. pretty similar, but ubuntu is more better for "new linux users" ;-) |
| 10:50.00 | johaBBa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.36 | pngwn | !tell EGreg -about why debian |
| 10:50.45 | michalxo | and debian is less buggy.. apart from choosing which version you want.. sid/testing here with no problems ;-) (yet) |
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| 10:51.56 | michalxo | btw EGreg try google using "why debian is better than ubuntu" or opposite ;-) |
| 10:52.10 | sweb | where is debian v 5.0.0 files ? |
| 10:52.18 | DASPRiD | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=debian&word2=ubuntu |
| 10:52.20 | DASPRiD | ;) |
| 10:52.23 | sweb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/ not found |
| 10:53.09 | michalxo | btw guys, is sid/testing meant to be "rolling distro"? |
| 10:53.14 | johaBBa | DASPRiD, debian users too busy doing something useful too click that all day...... |
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| 10:53.57 | szymon | ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/5.0.4/ |
| 10:54.01 | michalxo | sweb why don't you grab newer version? |
| 10:54.24 | michalxo | EGreg http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-199451.html prizrak gave a good answer too |
| 10:54.26 | sweb | michalxo, they have a huge size of file |
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| 10:55.11 | sweb | michalxo, I want to check md5 of my iso file |
| 10:55.12 | jart | anyone here do a debian stable xen install? how painless was it? |
| 10:55.32 | jart | (as in a xen host install with the dom0 hypervisor) |
| 10:55.34 | michalxo | sweb 700MB? huge? |
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| 10:56.06 | sweb | michalxo, I have all dvd |
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| 10:56.17 | sweb | 6 * 4gb = 24 GB |
| 10:56.20 | michalxo | oh.. then use them :-D |
| 10:56.31 | johaBBa | wow |
| 10:56.38 | michalxo | btw only first dvd/cd is necessary ;-) |
| 10:56.41 | johaBBa | that's a lotta d/ling |
| 10:57.10 | sweb | michalxo, is very old version ? |
| 10:57.17 | sweb | 5.0.0 ? |
| 10:57.37 | sweb | debian have a great upgrade after that or no ? |
| 10:57.43 | michalxo | I am not sure, read here http://www.debian.org/releases/ :-) |
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| 10:58.31 | michalxo | heh, when I installed fresh debian 2 days ago, I've installed 5.0.4 and upgraded it to unstable and it broke.. dunno where :-( so I grabbed testing and everything works great now ;-) |
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| 10:58.50 | michalxo | and now using unstable.. |
| 10:58.59 | jelly-home | !unstable |
| 10:58.59 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 11:00.17 | michalxo | sorry taking back, I am on testing.. unstable can be really harmful :-D sweb |
| 11:00.33 | johaBBa | i like good ol' stable....it's....stable. |
| 11:00.43 | chellomere | CompanionCube, ipv6, nice! |
| 11:00.56 | sweb | michalxo, is 5.0.0 unstable ? |
| 11:01.07 | michalxo | it's stable.. and old ;-) |
| 11:01.22 | johaBBa | meh. new enuff. stuff works good. |
| 11:01.23 | michalxo | even 5.0.4 is stable now |
| 11:01.43 | johaBBa | i had to compile vlc on my own but that's it |
| 11:01.47 | michalxo | johaBBa you have it on servers? |
| 11:01.51 | johaBBa | yep |
| 11:02.02 | michalxo | ah, laptop here.. so.. :-) |
| 11:02.11 | michalxo | sweb where do you plan to put it? |
| 11:02.15 | johaBBa | i have it on my laptop and my backuppc server |
| 11:02.29 | sweb | michalxo, on my university server |
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| 11:02.38 | sweb | just for classes and educational programming |
| 11:02.39 | johaBBa | i had fedora on my desktop but i got sick of it and put debian on this weekend |
| 11:02.45 | sweb | not important for security |
| 11:02.47 | michalxo | sweb use 5.0.4 without any problem imo.. |
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| 11:03.24 | michalxo | johaBBa I was playing with arch.. seems nice too, but a bit hard for me.. on the other hand BIG + for their manuals |
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| 11:04.18 | Mowee | Hi :) |
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| 11:05.07 | johaBBa | michalxo, hrm. if you want hard try gentoo. i did put gentoo on a test box. not really hard but too detailed for me to want to do again if i had to |
| 11:05.38 | wols_ | does any of you have a debian related question? for general linux and distro comparisons: ##linux |
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| 11:06.23 | johaBBa | debian box up in <30mins while i'm still waiting for x to compile... |
| 11:07.36 | michalxo | about same time here.. but no compilations ... btw debian X pulseaudio.. what's the state? |
| 11:07.37 | chellomere | johaBBa, woah, compiling X? |
| 11:07.59 | johaBBa | chellomere, yeah...that'll take a whole bottle of sake. lemme tell ya |
| 11:08.23 | johaBBa | but it is specific for your hardware if you have the patience for all that |
| 11:08.33 | chellomere | johaBBa, I really hope you have a good reason, otherwise you're subjecting yourself to a lot of unessecary pain :p |
| 11:08.44 | johaBBa | lol |
| 11:08.48 | krushik | could ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established be in other location than /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ ? can't find it in my router-box |
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| 11:09.37 | chellomere | *unnecessary |
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| 11:10.59 | johaBBa | michalxo, i'm still using alsa...i like old stuff remember ;) |
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| 11:11.45 | chellomere | grumbles something about alsa still being used under the hood, even if pulseaudio is used |
| 11:11.54 | michalxo | I like new.. so that's the reason why I am asking... :-( But I should stop worrying about SW in linux as general and do something productive :-)) |
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| 11:13.48 | johaBBa | hrm. i am having trouble getting gdesklets to work. anyone using something similar to put a little digital slideshow on your desktop? |
| 11:15.00 | qwd | Why is the image to the right showing the bug as still existing even though it's been closed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529053 |
| 11:15.03 | michalxo | screenlets worked fine for me.. when testing.. johaBBa |
| 11:15.22 | johaBBa | michalxo, i'll check it out.. |
| 11:15.34 | michalxo | but compostion is probably needed |
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| 11:17.05 | twantakur | hello |
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| 11:17.22 | twantakur | i got this problem ' Could not initialize SHM '/cherokee-spawner-1964': No such file or directory |
| 11:17.23 | twantakur | '? what that mean? |
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| 11:20.55 | johaBBa | michalxo, screenlets are perfect. |
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| 11:24.19 | visof | hello |
| 11:24.36 | visof | can i know what are the things are added or removed from my files ? |
| 11:24.45 | visof | something like history |
| 11:25.02 | visof | is there anyone understand what i mean ? |
| 11:25.36 | jart | visof: you need a version control system my friend |
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| 11:31.52 | Halleck | I have an etch box. My ViewVC installation (running on apache2) is reporting OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/svn/svn' even though I have added the www-data user to the "svn" group which is the default group for new files made by svnserve. I can access these directories when logged in as "www-data" - is it possible python is running under another user? Any troubleshooting advice? Thanks. |
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| 11:32.59 | Halleck | I have an etch box. My ViewVC installation (running on apache2) is reporting OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/svn/svn' ... |
| 11:33.03 | jart | Halleck: i think you might have to do some hack where you replace the svn executable with a script that sets the umask |
| 11:33.05 | Halleck | ... even though I have added the www-data user to the "svn" group which is the default group for new files made by svnserve. I can access these directories when logged in as "www-data" - is it possible python is running under another user? Any troubleshooting advice? Thanks. |
| 11:33.10 | jart | Halleck: to keep the group perms consistent |
| 11:33.23 | Halleck | ughh... ok |
| 11:33.47 | Halleck | maybe i should just run it under www-data? it's being spawned by inetd so I think i could just do that |
| 11:34.41 | jart | Halleck: if it works do it :) the only thing that will hurt is the illusion of security |
| 11:34.45 | Halleck | the only reason I made an svn user was so I could make the auth files unreadable by apache for security reasons |
| 11:34.53 | Halleck | hah... yeah I guess |
| 11:35.30 | jart | if you're concerned about security, i highly recommend checking out apparmor (or if you're really concerned maybe selinux) |
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| 11:39.12 | michalxo | is there a way in apt to install package 1 version lower then is in repos? |
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| 11:39.35 | michalxo | for isntance I have wine 1.1.40 and want to isntall 1.1.39 via apt.. is it possible? |
| 11:39.35 | chellomere | michalxo, if you have the .deb, yes. |
| 11:39.39 | wols_ | michalxo: you can only install what you have in your repos. so first you'd need to find a repo with it |
| 11:39.42 | michalxo | aha, so only this way |
| 11:39.49 | chellomere | !sdn |
| 11:39.49 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ (currently offline) is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:40.00 | wols_ | in the end it's easier to download that version's package from sdn and install it with dpkg -i |
| 11:40.05 | wols_ | chellomere: it's sdo now |
| 11:40.09 | wols_ | !sdo |
| 11:40.09 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ (currently offline) is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:40.12 | chellomere | ah |
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| 11:40.22 | wols_ | not offline |
| 11:40.26 | jelly-home | michalxo: where do you get wine 1.1.40 from? |
| 11:40.29 | chellomere | yeah |
| 11:40.35 | michalxo | yeah dpkg I know it.. :-( I have 1,1.42 :-P |
| 11:40.40 | wols_ | ,versions wine |
| 11:40.41 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-2; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 11:40.48 | jelly-home | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 11:40.49 | judd | wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1 |
| 11:40.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: I guess winehq? |
| 11:41.06 | michalxo | #wine deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main |
| 11:41.13 | jelly-home | wols_: yeah, but they don't have debian builds any more, only ubuntu |
| 11:41.28 | michalxo | but it's not from repo :-( |
| 11:41.56 | michalxo | http://www.lamaresh.net/binary.php here he got all available versions |
| 11:42.09 | mrb26__ | is it ok to ask a fairly generic networking question in this channel? (setting up a wireless bridge using debian live) |
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| 11:42.30 | jelly-home | michalxo: so install it the same way you installed in last time? |
| 11:43.02 | chellomere | michalxo, you're SOL if you don't have a .deb of the old version and they don't provide one. |
| 11:43.23 | michalxo | SOL? |
| 11:43.37 | chellomere | shit outta luck |
| 11:44.14 | michalxo | haha, hopefully there is lamerish's binary .debs :-) |
| 11:44.22 | michalxo | thanks guys! :-* |
| 11:44.29 | chellomere | michalxo, he does provide an older version tho, you can download it and dpkg -i it, or perhaps even do aptitude install wine=version |
| 11:44.50 | michalxo | Iknow then :-) |
| 11:45.15 | michalxo | btw will forums.debian.net /org be ever online? |
| 11:45.23 | chellomere | michalxo, 1.1.39 appears to be missing tho. |
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| 11:46.17 | chellomere | !forum |
| 11:46.17 | dpkg | [forums] http://forums.debian.net/ (currently offline), http://www.debianhelp.org/ , http://www.debianplanet.org/ , http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 11:47.25 | michalxo | thanks :-) |
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| 11:50.19 | chellomere | wols_, about time it became official anyway |
| 11:50.57 | mrb26__ | i'm trying to setup a wireless bridge usign a debian live usb install, have followed instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections but can't get it to work |
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| 11:51.08 | Halleck | jart: having svnserve and apache httpd running under the same user works fyi. thanks for the response. |
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| 11:57.14 | satish | hi every one |
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| 11:59.28 | satish | i have a problem with xserver causes always restart my system.Error is "failed to start the xsever" |
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| 12:03.36 | satish | can anyone help me? |
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| 12:06.06 | SNow | hi guys, i have a problem, i just recently installed percona (mysql patch) through apt-get install percona-* and now i can't install apache2 (says it has conflict because of mysql-common) if i install mysql-common, then it removes all percona-* packages. How can I install apache2 + php5 with percona? |
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| 12:08.02 | unkmar | how do I check for updates without installing them? |
| 12:08.20 | fefo | -s ? |
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| 12:08.56 | abrotman | SNow: in Debian ? |
| 12:08.57 | unkmar | is that simulate? |
| 12:09.09 | fefo | do you have manpages installed ? |
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| 12:09.23 | fefo | if yes, stop asking, start reading/thinking |
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| 12:09.44 | TheLady | Hey guys, my terminal + putty seems to have gone mad.. If I tab for completation then it gets "invisible" |
| 12:09.49 | SNow | abrotman: yes |
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| 12:10.06 | abrotman | SNow: apt-cache policy apache2.2-common |
| 12:10.10 | abrotman | use a pastebin |
| 12:10.11 | TheLady | so if i tab /etc and write only the e, then it shows /e__/ where __ is empty |
| 12:10.43 | iPac | maybe putty dont supports it? |
| 12:10.45 | xand | TheLady: restart putty? |
| 12:10.52 | TheLady | But its also in the terminal |
| 12:11.04 | xand | um |
| 12:11.37 | unkmar | fefo: ty |
| 12:11.40 | SNow | abrotman: http://p.defau.lt/?6kEy2JsMKWtJx_6nCjUaoA |
| 12:11.42 | TheLady | it does the "jump" when you tab, but it leasves emptyness. :S |
| 12:11.43 | abrotman | SNow: and where did you get the percona packages? |
| 12:12.06 | TheLady | Ah now I notice. tab really TABS :P |
| 12:12.09 | TheLady | like in window |
| 12:12.10 | TheLady | s |
| 12:12.29 | TheLady | doesnt seem to complete the dir. Anyway to turn this off/on? |
| 12:12.39 | abrotman | SNow: we can't really help you if you're using 3rd party packages that are done poorly |
| 12:12.55 | valdyn | TheLady: run bash and see |
| 12:13.01 | abrotman | SNow: you can use aptitude why/why-not to see why it won't work |
| 12:13.10 | TheLady | valdyn: I am new with unix. Whats bash? |
| 12:13.16 | valdyn | TheLady: just run it |
| 12:13.25 | valdyn | !bash |
| 12:13.25 | dpkg | bash is, like, the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <abs>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. <parsing ls>, or <bashism> |
| 12:13.35 | TheLady | valdyn: Oh ok now it worked |
| 12:13.45 | unkmar | TheLady: a hit over the head. or Bourne Again SHell as stated above. |
| 12:14.13 | xand | TheLady: finger yourself and see what shell is the default |
| 12:14.28 | iPac | !finger |
| 12:14.29 | dpkg | somebody said finger was a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly |
| 12:15.01 | xand | that's a poorly written factoid |
| 12:15.02 | SNow | abrotman: from percona rep.. |
| 12:15.15 | valdyn | sounds like a greycat factoid |
| 12:15.19 | valdyn | !factinfo finger |
| 12:15.19 | dpkg | finger -- created by slinky <kieran@ppp-1-67.cvx1.telinco.net> at Wed Jun 28 08:20:07 2000 (3588 days); last modified at Wed Jun 28 08:21:15 2000 by slinky!kieran@ppp-1-67.cvx1.telinco.net; it has been requested 44 times, last by iPac, 51s ago. |
| 12:15.26 | xand | SNow: you should ask them I expect |
| 12:15.29 | valdyn | slinky then |
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| 12:16.11 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:16.29 | iPac | why should i remove finger? |
| 12:16.32 | abrotman | OMG HE LOST AN ARM! |
| 12:16.40 | valdyn | iPac: you dont have it |
| 12:16.47 | iPac | i dont have what |
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| 12:16.52 | xand | any fingers |
| 12:16.54 | valdyn | iPac: you dont have fingerd running |
| 12:16.56 | iPac | ahhhhhh |
| 12:18.19 | iPac | running? isnt finger a shell command? sry im new to linux |
| 12:18.24 | valdyn | judd: versions finger |
| 12:18.25 | judd | finger -- etch: 0.17-10; lenny: 0.17-12; sid: 0.17-14; squeeze: 0.17-14 |
| 12:18.37 | valdyn | iPac: it is, but its useless and obsolete |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | iPac: there is athe finger client and the finger daemon .. you may have ythe finger client, but you most likely don't have the finger daemon running |
| 12:19.07 | iPac | k |
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| 12:20.08 | iPac | isnt finger just to see the userinformation locally? or why should that run as service? |
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| 12:20.46 | valdyn | iPac: to service remote requests, obviously |
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| 12:21.16 | iPac | ok |
| 12:21.20 | abrotman | iPac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_protocol .. please read |
| 12:21.24 | iPac | thnks |
| 12:21.32 | unkmar | iPac: to listen to the finger port and respond to finger request. |
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| 12:26.17 | iPac | btw. are all programms which will be started while booting in /etc/init.d/rc.X ? |
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| 12:26.51 | abrotman | no |
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| 12:26.58 | abrotman | /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 12:27.26 | iPac | yes |
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| 12:28.02 | iPac | because i dont like services which are starting while booting and i cant see them :s |
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| 12:29.19 | qwd | Why is the image to the right showing the bug as still existing even though it's been closed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529053 |
| 12:30.06 | fantasticulous | hey guys, i installed some java packages, but 'java' still points to gij. any idea how to set it up to use sun java? |
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| 12:30.39 | abrotman | qwd: it was fixed in testing/unstable, still exists in stable |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | fantasticulous: update-java-altnernatives |
| 12:31.01 | fantasticulous | not found |
| 12:31.04 | fantasticulous | any othe ridea? |
| 12:31.15 | abrotman | fantasticulous: i spelled it wrong |
| 12:31.24 | fantasticulous | ? |
| 12:31.25 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | as root |
| 12:32.11 | fantasticulous | ah it gave me a bunch of errors |
| 12:33.05 | fantasticulous | http://pastebin.com/cZNZ7FdF |
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| 12:34.09 | abrotman | qwd: oh, and no one changed the bug status i guess |
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| 12:35.23 | abrotman | fantasticulous: can you list your options instead of setting it ? |
| 12:35.34 | fantasticulous | java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 12:35.35 | fantasticulous | java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj |
| 12:36.11 | qwd | abrotman: right so it's nothing I did wrong? It's something the maintainer must manually do? |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | and if you try to use -s again ? |
| 12:36.26 | abrotman | qwd: you can do it also if you'd like |
| 12:37.25 | abrotman | qwd: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 12:37.58 | qwd | abrotman: thanks! |
| 12:38.25 | fantasticulous | same errors as the pastebin |
| 12:38.36 | fantasticulous | maybe i nee to install extra stuff? |
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| 12:40.12 | abrotman | maybe the jdk instead of jvm ? |
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| 12:43.06 | fantasticulous | installing... |
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| 12:53.17 | fantasticulous | i think that worked |
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| 12:53.20 | fantasticulous | but it's weird |
| 12:53.26 | fantasticulous | to have to install the sdk.. |
| 12:53.29 | fantasticulous | w/e. |
| 12:53.33 | fantasticulous | thx. |
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| 13:01.07 | krankkatze | hey, how do I add a new language to gnome and gdm? |
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| 13:01.17 | krankkatze | the only one in the list is English |
| 13:02.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell krankkatze about locales |
| 13:03.00 | jelly-home | krankkatze: see if they appear after enabling in "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and logging off and back |
| 13:04.10 | krankkatze | ok, thanks |
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| 13:53.34 | evualt | Hi, I'd like to install chromium (the browser) but I can't find any doc about this |
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| 14:00.15 | michalxo | evualt install google-chrome |
| 14:00.20 | michalxo | via their webpage |
| 14:00.50 | michalxo | evualt http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 14:01.08 | evualt | I'm running PPC |
| 14:01.31 | evualt | so I guess I'm going to have to build it |
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| 14:05.32 | jelly-home | dpkg: where are you?! |
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| 14:09.25 | WierdAAR | Hello.. I just downloaded an version of Open office with language support ect. I get an DEBs folder with lots of debs and tried to install all at one with dpkg -R /directory .. The output is "dpkg needs an action option" Why is this? |
| 14:11.38 | wols_ | WierdAAR: why can't you install the debian openoffice packages? |
| 14:11.39 | aburch | WierdAAR: man dpkg, see --recursive |
| 14:11.57 | aburch | WierdAAR: And OpenOffice is also available from the official Debian repositories. |
| 14:12.40 | WierdAAR | Well the idea was that i wanted the newest edition and thus downloaded it.. |
| 14:12.51 | Aim_Here | Use at your own risk |
| 14:13.01 | wols_ | !versions openoffice.org |
| 14:13.08 | wols_ | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 14:13.09 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-8 |
| 14:13.23 | wols_ | lenny backports already has 3.2 |
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| 14:15.26 | WierdAAR | My synaptic doesn't seem to show the back ports edition even though i have the repository .. I will look for it then. That much easier than manual deb install |
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| 14:17.32 | wols_ | !tell WierdAAR about backports |
| 14:20.04 | WierdAAR | This is weird... When i search for open office in synaptic I find some of the backports language interfaces for OO but not open office itself.. |
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| 14:24.40 | blueVenom | i'm trying to "apt-get install -f" to update my system..but i keep getting a udev error about CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED in my kernel...and i can't install the tools to build a new kernel...not sure what to do |
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| 14:25.04 | blueVenom | it also said i could create an /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file to override...but i don't wanna break the system either |
| 14:25.08 | blueVenom | any ideas? |
| 14:25.09 | evualt | blueVenom: |
| 14:25.10 | wols_ | blueVenom: what kernel version and what udev version? |
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| 14:25.26 | SuperAlekZ | hey, is how can i install phpbb 3.0 on my debian server? :S is there a good documentation? |
| 14:25.35 | blueVenom | 2.6.26-2-686 and udev_151-3_i386 |
| 14:25.42 | evualt | if you create /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade, upgrade udev and upgrade your kernel before you reboot, you won't have any problem |
| 14:26.16 | wols_ | blueVenom: you didn't read the error when you upgraded to sid. install a squeeze kernel. you should know how to install stuff when you run testing |
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| 14:27.22 | blueVenom | linux-tree-2.6.30-8squeeze1 ? |
| 14:27.31 | blueVenom | i'm new to debian...i like my gentoo... |
| 14:27.39 | blueVenom | so i'm still learning a few things about debian |
| 14:28.31 | evualt | hey, my / partition is full so I'd like to remove some packages that are dependencies of the gnome package. How may I do that without apt wanting to auto-remove all others packages that are gnome dependencies? |
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| 14:29.27 | wols_ | blueVenom: until you know about debian, you should stick to stable then. and no, "linux-tree" is not a kernel image |
| 14:30.07 | blueVenom | i would compile my own kernel but due to unresolved dependencies...i can't install the needed utilities to build my own |
| 14:30.09 | evualt | blueVenom: just create that file in etc and upgrade your whole system |
| 14:30.11 | evualt | it's gonna work |
| 14:30.25 | WierdAAR | Ok.. I can't find open office 3.2 in synaptic even though i have the backports repertories.. I have tried apt-get update but it's still the same.. please help |
| 14:30.29 | evualt | you just have to make sure you don't reboot before your new kernel is installed |
| 14:30.31 | wols_ | ,info linux-tree-2.6.30-8squeeze1 squeeze |
| 14:30.32 | judd | No record of package 'linux-tree-2.6.30-8squeeze1' in squeeze/i386. |
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| 14:30.52 | wols_ | WierdAAR: apt-cache policy openoffice.org |
| 14:31.00 | cantido | I'm going on to a new isp that has a montly limit (although traffic between midnight and 8am arent counted).. so I want to knock up some shaping that'll control throttle the traffic to make that I'm always just within the limits.. Any suggestions on where to start? |
| 14:31.10 | masu3701_ | can somone help me out with these repository error that am getting when i run apt-get update |
| 14:31.12 | masu3701_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/fWdb3NaP |
| 14:31.24 | wols_ | cantido: lartc.org |
| 14:31.43 | wols_ | !tell masu3701_ about non-us |
| 14:32.03 | wols_ | masu3701_: non-us doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for a long time. remove all occurrences of it |
| 14:32.06 | cantido | wols_: nothing there seems to suggest how to dynamically change the shaping |
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| 14:32.21 | wols_ | cantido: cronscripts are AWESOME |
| 14:33.00 | cantido | yes.. but can you adjust stuff without basically flushing everything ;) |
| 14:33.17 | WierdAAR | wols_, It shows up there.. then why can't i find it in synaptic? |
| 14:33.43 | masu3701_ | so remove all the non-us from my source_list? |
| 14:33.43 | wols_ | I dunno |
| 14:33.57 | cantido | the lartc stuff is pretty old too |
| 14:33.59 | wols_ | cause synaptic only uses on special repo I guess, the default one, |
| 14:34.20 | wols_ | cantido: if you kno a newer netfilter architecture, feel free to use it |
| 14:34.31 | WierdAAR | I find some of the backports packages for openoffice just not the main package.. |
| 14:34.47 | wols_ | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 14:34.47 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-8 |
| 14:34.53 | wols_ | that one is the main package and is available |
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| 14:35.43 | Desiac | im running sid, trying to chnage my console res. managed to change grub's (works perfectly) then tried to change the consoles (edited /etc/grub/00_header) when i add in set gfxpayload=keep the console res changes but gdm doesnt start and i just get a blue bar accross the screen when gdm should start, no access to virt consoles. any suggestions? thnx |
| 14:35.55 | WierdAAR | Yeah.. and it showed up via apt-cache but neiter in synaptic or aptitude |
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| 14:37.55 | bjk | hey folks. I have flagged some packages in aptitude that are installed as purged but also have updates available. is there a way to remove the flagged packaged without doing an upgrade of existing packages? apt-get purge (without arguments) doesn't work. |
| 14:39.17 | masu3701_ | when install openvpn do i need to install openssl and liblzol too or i can just say apt-get install openvpn? |
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| 14:41.30 | BlackFate | masu3701_: just openvpn.. apt-get will pull everything that openvpn needs to run |
| 14:41.40 | masu3701_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:42.26 | dougmencken | hello again; I'm sorry, but why don't you answer to bug reports? |
| 14:42.36 | BlackFate | lol |
| 14:45.23 | llua | hm. what log file would keep track of "suspend to ram" problems? |
| 14:46.08 | wols_ | syslog or kern.log I guess |
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| 14:47.10 | cahoot | llua: pm-suspend.log |
| 14:47.34 | llua | cahoot, ty |
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| 14:49.51 | llua | cahoot, is there a different log for when it trys to wakeup? |
| 14:50.27 | cahoot | no |
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| 14:54.53 | kodiak | Hi |
| 14:55.27 | bjk | nm. aptitude search ~apurge -F %p works |
| 14:55.31 | kodiak | Can I run Windows 7 in virtual machine in Debian 64 bits? |
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| 14:55.49 | iceroot | kodiak: of course |
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| 14:56.27 | wols_ | ,info virtualbox-ose |
| 14:56.28 | judd | virtualbox-ose (misc, extra): x86 virtualization solution - binaries. Version: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; Size: 6651.5k; Installed: 21120k; Homepage: http://www.virtualbox.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/virtualbox-ose |
| 14:56.34 | wols_ | kingsley: use that |
| 14:57.06 | kodiak | iceroot, Can you tell me the software? virtualbox? |
| 14:57.08 | iceroot | kodiak: but think of that ose cant run usb-devices |
| 14:57.14 | iceroot | kodiak: yes, virtualbox |
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| 14:57.27 | iceroot | kodiak: i am using the nonfree-version because i want usb-support |
| 14:57.29 | kodiak | Thank you. |
| 14:57.33 | kodiak | oh |
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| 14:59.30 | masu3701_ | how to i install iptables? |
| 15:00.02 | wols_ | ,info iptables |
| 15:00.03 | judd | iptables (net, important): administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. Version: 1.4.2-6; Size: 400.4k; Installed: 1228k; Homepage: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 15:00.05 | kodiak | iceroot, ¿Do you have to pay for the non-free version? |
| 15:00.25 | wols_ | kodiak: virtualbox.org but not supported here |
| 15:00.46 | kodiak | ok |
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| 15:02.07 | masu3701_ | judd: didnt get that |
| 15:02.08 | kodiak | I have Pentium Core i5, Can i use i376 version? I wonly see amd65 and i386 architecture |
| 15:02.40 | wols_ | judd is a bot and you already have iptables |
| 15:02.51 | wols_ | kodiak: yes |
| 15:02.58 | kodiak | Thanks |
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| 15:08.43 | \amethyst | kodiak: if you want a 64-bit OS, you'd use amd64. If you want 32-bit, i386 |
| 15:09.35 | kodiak | \amethyst, even if my proccessor is Pentium core i5? |
| 15:10.01 | \amethyst | kodiak: yes.. amd64 is used for both AMD and Intel 64-bit processors |
| 15:10.30 | \amethyst | kodiak: it has 'amd' in the name because AMD invented the instruction set, the same way i386 has the 'i' even though it works on AMD, too |
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| 15:10.42 | kodiak | ahhh okey :) |
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| 15:11.23 | aleray | Hi, if I want to install python-imaging. should Iinstall "python-imaging" or "python2.5-imaging" ? |
| 15:11.34 | abrotman_ | the first |
| 15:11.45 | rgr | can I get sudo NOT prompt me for certain programs to run? e.g I want to run fetchnews as news but NOT get prompted for a sudo password. |
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| 15:11.57 | aleray | abrotman, thanks. What is the other one used for ? |
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| 15:12.02 | rgr | ah, found it |
| 15:12.13 | \amethyst | rgr: yes, but be aware that the order of entries matters |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | aleray: the first should pull in the second |
| 15:12.32 | \amethyst | rgr: the last match, *not* the most specific match, is used |
| 15:12.37 | aleray | abrotman, ok thanks! |
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| 15:12.49 | \amethyst | rgr: so you'd want the entry for fetchnews to come after the general entry |
| 15:13.31 | rgr | mayn thanks |
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| 15:13.49 | rgr | actually was in the fetchnews faq but I didnt notice the nopasswd token. all good. |
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| 15:15.39 | KiiK | hi, how to check what terminal I'm using |
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| 15:16.26 | rgr | also, while here, can anyone help with nm-applet dropping my wireless connection every few seconds and then reconnecting. range and signal strength not a problem. debian squeeze. intel ipw2200bg. been working fine for ages and only started dropping recently following some updates I guess. changed channels too with no success. Another laptop connecting just fine from the same room using nm-applet. |
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| 15:17.06 | abrotman | rgr: which kenrel are you on? i've had some flakiness with my intel wifi |
| 15:17.30 | rgr | on that laptop 2.33 (the only one that works with my intel graphics) |
| 15:17.39 | abrotman | selfcompiled ? |
| 15:18.02 | rgr | yes, well, packaged as a debian kernel and then installed. but its been that way for a good long while. |
| 15:18.19 | abrotman | and if the 2.6.32-4 doesn't work .. you sohuld work with the kernel team to resolve that .. .32 will get sihpped with squeeze at this point |
| 15:18.22 | rgr | good point tho, should go back to 2.32 and check |
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| 15:35.51 | near | hi |
| 15:35.58 | near | is there a way to limit download speed in debian? |
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| 15:37.30 | musca | near: trickle is a user-space bandwidth shaper |
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| 15:39.23 | near | i see thanks |
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| 15:46.07 | near | musca it says it couldnt reach trickle |
| 15:46.12 | near | near@Near:~$ trickle -d 100000 -v iceweasel |
| 15:46.13 | near | trickle: Could not reach trickled, working independently: No such file or directory |
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| 15:48.01 | Rawplayer | hi, my motd is not printed anymore, how come? |
| 15:48.06 | Rawplayer | i run debian etch |
| 15:48.12 | initself | is there a file somewhere where PATH is maintained? |
| 15:48.21 | Rawplayer | /etc/profil |
| 15:48.22 | Rawplayer | /etc/profile |
| 15:48.50 | initself | Rawplayer++ # that was easy |
| 15:49.14 | initself | does root get access to the default system PATH? |
| 15:51.35 | initself | initself: yes, if your bash profile runs |
| 15:52.25 | krankkatze | how may I get a list of all the manually installed packages? |
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| 15:53.32 | musca | near: -s runs trickle in standalone mode, independent of trickled(8). |
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| 15:54.28 | musca | near: do you really want to limit iceweasel to 100 MByte/s? |
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| 15:57.48 | near | lol |
| 15:57.55 | near | it was that i wasnt running it as roo |
| 15:57.57 | near | root |
| 15:58.02 | near | yes i got confused, i wanted 100kb |
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| 16:15.53 | masu3701_ | can someone help me setting up openvpn on my server..i cant figure out how to setup the firewall |
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| 16:20.16 | rgr | abrotman: that move back to 2.6.32 did the trick. fingers crossed X stays up though... so far so good. |
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| 16:24.22 | rednammoc | how to deactivate my raid ? any ideas ? |
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| 16:26.48 | masu3701_ | in openvpn what do 10.8.0.0/24 really mean in postrouting? |
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| 16:28.46 | pipeline | you're going to have to be a lot mor especific, masu3701_ |
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| 16:31.20 | iceroot | masu3701_: the network 10.8.0.0 with subnet 255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:31.28 | masu3701_ | pipeline: i was reading a how to for openvpn...am configuring the filewall....so it says for packets after routing to set it to masquerade if source is 10.8.0.0/24 and output interface is eth0 |
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| 16:33.01 | masu3701_ | iceroot: so should i put my network address instead? |
| 16:33.11 | rednammoc | how to deactive my software raid. /proc/mdstat says: md_d0 : inactive sdb[1](S) |
| 16:33.12 | rednammoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.08 | fken | hello |
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| 16:34.56 | fken | I've installed debian on a QNAP ts219p nas server and I am now trying to install vtiger. Installation is ok but some CRM parts doesnt works correctly (I am thinking about contacts, prospects, acounts, and so on). Do you have experience in vtigercrm install on debian server and could you help me ? |
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| 16:41.29 | masu3701_ | where can i install get the link to install openvpn-admin module? |
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| 16:42.52 | masu3701_ | have tried http://www.openit.it/index.php/openit_en/content/download/3566/14487/file/openvpn-2.5.wbm.gz |
| 16:42.59 | masu3701_ | but it fails |
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| 16:46.50 | rednammoc | hi guys. having problems with my raid. wanna deactivate it, but don't know how ? any ideas ? /proc/mdstat says md_d0 : inactive sdb[1](S) 976762496 blocks |
| 16:47.32 | masu3701_ | where can i install get the link to install openvpn-admin module? |
| 16:49.38 | rednammoc | hi guys. having problems with my raid. wanna remove it, but don't know how ? any ideas ? /proc/mdstat says md_d0 : inactive sdb[1](S) 976762496 blocks |
| 16:50.19 | wols_ | rednammoc: mount the partition instead of the raid device |
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| 16:51.16 | wols_ | !tell masu3701_ about search |
| 16:51.24 | wols_ | search for openvpn and you will see what's available |
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| 16:58.13 | Sarago | what's the commandline pastebin command? |
| 17:00.03 | wols_ | !pastebinit |
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| 17:04.13 | frostschutz | what's the easiest way to rename a user? I just did it by creating a new user, moving the home directory, crontab, maildirs, etc, fixing owner/group of all files, deleting the old user... |
| 17:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | So... streamtuner is packaged and distributed configured to use xmms to play the streams, but it doesn't include xmms as a dependency because xmms is not purely "free". |
| 17:04.44 | abrotman | why wouldn't you just rename it in the /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Still need to rename the home directory, but that's easy enough. |
| 17:05.31 | Sarago | pastebinit is not giving me the url to my post so I can give it here |
| 17:05.37 | frostschutz | abrotman: I actually tried that first and then had to restore the old file as it caused problems with pam or sth |
| 17:05.45 | abrotman | may be some other issues with settings, but you'll have the same issue cping the data anyways |
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| 17:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | might have to edit shadow as well. And fix group. |
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| 17:06.28 | frostschutz | oh, I think I just found it... usermod |
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| 17:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | -l option on usermod + rename user home. |
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| 17:07.19 | frostschutz | never had to rename a user before... should've asked first T_T |
| 17:07.23 | frostschutz | thanks |
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| 17:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | If you do it manually you also need to address the user's mail spool. |
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| 17:11.14 | Sarago | how do i get the url to my post using pastebinit |
| 17:11.16 | Sarago | it |
| 17:11.22 | Sarago | it's not giving it to me |
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| 17:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | Sarago: What _is_ it doing? |
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| 17:14.39 | Sarago | it just spits back the url http://pastbin.com |
| 17:14.42 | Sarago | no id number |
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| 17:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | You're running it in a console? |
| 17:15.01 | Sarago | yes |
| 17:15.15 | Sarago | I need to past my xorg log file because x isn't working |
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| 17:15.38 | Sarago | I'm getting a segmentation fault running Xorg -configure |
| 17:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like maybe pastebin.com isn't feeling well right now. |
| 17:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | You'll have to use a different service. |
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| 17:17.32 | Sarago | http://paste2.org/p/793669 |
| 17:17.54 | Sarago | I tried inspecting the log file myself, but I can't figure out why its failing |
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| 17:18.26 | Sarago | funny thing is, it worked fine on lenny, but I reinstalled with squeeze because I wanted newer packages |
| 17:18.47 | Sarago | maybe that was a bad idea? |
| 17:18.51 | jhutchins_lt | Sarago: What did you find on the xorg wiki? |
| 17:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | Sarago: Only a bad idea if you wanted a working system instead of a setup to test packages. |
| 17:19.29 | Sarago | I don't knwo what to look for to search the wiki |
| 17:19.46 | Sarago | I was hoping someone here could look at the log file and point me in a direction |
| 17:20.02 | Sarago | looks like the last driver it tried to load was some sort of vmware driver |
| 17:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | Sarago: Do you have an xorg.conf? It looks like it's loading the i740 module, which I would not guess for a radeon chipset. |
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| 17:20.58 | Sarago | do not have an xorg.conf, I was trying to create on using the Xorg -configure and the configuration failed with this |
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| 17:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know why it's loading an intel driver for a radeon card. If you google your card and xorg you should get some tutorials on how to set it up. |
| 17:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | (Mostly about how to do 3D) |
| 17:22.46 | abrotman | Sarago: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 17:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | looks like it should use the "ati" driver. |
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| 17:23.15 | wols_ | probably cause it's a firegl. doesn't know the pciid |
| 17:23.16 | Sarago | 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 17:23.38 | abrotman | Sarago: and what's the version of xserver-xorg ? |
| 17:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Radeon RV250 should be well know. |
| 17:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | known. |
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| 17:24.25 | Sarago | how do I tell version of xserver-xorg |
| 17:24.36 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -l xserver-xorg? |
| 17:25.01 | Sarago | 1:7.5+5 |
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| 17:26.25 | little_soap | j/*zucante |
| 17:26.30 | Sarago | this is a dell d600 with a radeon mobility 9000 |
| 17:26.51 | little_soap | j\ *zuccante |
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| 17:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | Sarago: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 17:27.27 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 17:27.44 | DukeDrake | where can I find a manpage for zip? |
| 17:27.50 | DukeDrake | Or what does zip -j do? |
| 17:27.55 | dougmencken | man gzip / man gunzip |
| 17:28.15 | wols_ | DukeDrake: did you try man zip yet? |
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| 17:28.35 | DukeDrake | no manual entry for zip |
| 17:28.36 | wols_ | DukeDrake: zip != gzip |
| 17:28.41 | DukeDrake | and gzip has no -j option |
| 17:28.50 | wols_ | DukeDrake: and zip isn't gzip |
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| 17:28.58 | wols_ | DukeDrake: dpkg -l zip |
| 17:29.10 | DukeDrake | wols_: I never claimed that zip = gzip |
| 17:29.18 | DukeDrake | wols_: not necessary |
| 17:29.21 | wols_ | DukeDrake: yep. dougmencken did |
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| 17:29.25 | DukeDrake | wols_: I only need the manpage |
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| 17:29.41 | wols_ | DukeDrake: either you do dpkg -l zip and tell us what it shows or you find your file on your own. have a nice day |
| 17:29.43 | DukeDrake | hence my first question |
| 17:29.56 | DukeDrake | ... great |
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| 17:30.36 | dougmencken | wols_, what's wrong with gzip? |
| 17:30.50 | DanDare | just installed ftpd, how to start service? Cant find anything related at /etc/init.d |
| 17:31.00 | wols_ | dougmencken: nothing. but if someone asks about zip it's the wrong thing |
| 17:31.13 | DanDare | *Lenny* |
| 17:31.16 | wols_ | DanDare: it's started via inetd usually. use vsftpd |
| 17:31.20 | dougmencken | so zip and gzip are *too much* different? |
| 17:31.20 | abrotman | DanDare: which one did you install ? |
| 17:31.25 | abrotman | dougmencken: yes |
| 17:31.29 | DanDare | abrotman, just ftpd |
| 17:31.38 | abrotman | judd: versions ftpd |
| 17:31.40 | dougmencken | don't they use LZW both? |
| 17:31.41 | judd | ftpd -- etch: 0.17-23; lenny: 0.17-29; sid: 0.17-29; squeeze: 0.17-29 |
| 17:31.51 | abrotman | dougmencken: no .. why is this hard for you to understand ? |
| 17:31.55 | DanDare | ahh, ok sorry |
| 17:32.05 | wols_ | abrotman: oh they do. but the file format is different, totally so |
| 17:32.10 | DanDare | so 0.17-29 |
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| 17:32.23 | dougmencken | well, the last time I saw .zip archive was 5-6 years ago, so sorry |
| 17:32.26 | abrotman | wols_: sorry, yes, but no :) |
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| 17:32.51 | dougmencken | and: LZW is patented |
| 17:32.53 | EGreg | hey guys |
| 17:32.57 | abrotman | DanDare: /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 17:32.59 | EGreg | this is weird. I installed debian and now I got |
| 17:33.05 | DanDare | okm thanks |
| 17:33.07 | EGreg | projects /home/greg: locate apachectl |
| 17:33.09 | EGreg | bash: locate: command not found |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | DanDare: it's not a 'real' ftp server |
| 17:33.16 | abrotman | EGreg: did you install apache2 ? |
| 17:33.17 | EGreg | the "locate" command doesn't come with debian?? |
| 17:33.26 | EGreg | yes |
| 17:33.27 | abrotman | oh .. no, you have to install mlocate |
| 17:33.32 | EGreg | but it seems "locate" isn't there |
| 17:33.34 | abrotman | !tell EGreg about search |
| 17:33.37 | DanDare | well, description says it's ftp server |
| 17:33.37 | wols_ | abrotman: was patented. public domain now |
| 17:33.37 | abrotman | !tell EGreg about apt-file |
| 17:33.43 | Sarago | abrotman: sorry had to step away for a minute, any ideas on the xorg issue? |
| 17:33.45 | mIrKaT | use slocate |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | wols_: i didn't say that .. dougmencken did |
| 17:33.48 | EGreg | your bot doesnt work |
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| 17:33.52 | wols_ | oops. right |
| 17:34.00 | EGreg | apt-file: command not found |
| 17:34.01 | abrotman | EGreg: yes, it does .. your client is doing dumb things |
| 17:34.09 | wols_ | EGreg: install it then |
| 17:34.11 | EGreg | abrotma: my client doesn't ignore anyone |
| 17:34.20 | EGreg | okay. what does it do |
| 17:34.22 | abrotman | EGreg: right .. so where do your priv msgs go ? |
| 17:34.22 | wols_ | !tell abrotman about ping |
| 17:34.28 | abrotman | the DUCK!? |
| 17:34.32 | dougmencken | yes, I said that zip and gzip are the same (for me), so okay then |
| 17:34.47 | wols_ | abrotman: dpkg has been awol all afternoon |
| 17:34.54 | abrotman | EGreg: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/locate |
| 17:34.55 | EGreg | I did apt-get install mlocate also |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | wols_: yay |
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| 17:35.20 | EGreg | projects /home/greg: apt-file update |
| 17:35.20 | EGreg | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 17:35.20 | EGreg | Can't get http://php53.dotdeb.org/dists/stable/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 17:35.28 | EGreg | but at least locate is now installed, thanks |
| 17:35.37 | abrotman | that's normal .. though using dotdeb is a bad thing |
| 17:35.44 | EGreg | projects /home/greg: locate apachectl |
| 17:35.44 | EGreg | locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 17:35.51 | EGreg | do I just wait until locate runs? |
| 17:35.51 | wols_ | EGreg: run updatedb. as root |
| 17:35.56 | EGreg | ah, right updatedb |
| 17:35.57 | EGreg | forgot :) |
| 17:36.01 | EGreg | it's a daemon right |
| 17:36.05 | wols_ | no |
| 17:36.13 | abrotman | wishes dotdeb would die |
| 17:36.15 | EGreg | well it runs in the background? |
| 17:36.20 | wols_ | no |
| 17:36.29 | EGreg | well updatedb exited right away |
| 17:36.29 | wols_ | it's run via cron job |
| 17:36.34 | EGreg | oh okay |
| 17:36.59 | EGreg | I did ps fax I don't see any updatedb running |
| 17:37.08 | EGreg | and it existed right away |
| 17:38.46 | EGreg | it's very strange. apachectl is not on the system yet apache2 is running on it |
| 17:38.56 | Sarago | I need some help understanding why Xorg -configure is failing |
| 17:39.03 | Sarago | http://paste2.org/p/793669 |
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| 17:39.53 | wols_ | Sarago: are you running thisunder vmware or another vm? |
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| 17:40.11 | Sarago | wols_: no, new squeeze install |
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| 17:40.32 | wols_ | what does a normal startx produce? |
| 17:40.39 | EGreg | oh it's apache2ctl |
| 17:40.41 | Sarago | wols_: I installed just the base, and then xorg meta package |
| 17:42.08 | wols_ | another possibility is to uninstall ALL X video drivers except for ati and vesa |
| 17:42.28 | jhutchins | Sarago: What did dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-ati return? |
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| 17:43.37 | Sarago | 1:6.12.6-1 |
| 17:43.52 | jhutchins | Ok, so it's there. What happens if you just run X? |
| 17:44.05 | abrotman | what is lspci -nn | grep VGA ? |
| 17:44.19 | jhutchins | abrotman: Radeon RV250 |
| 17:44.36 | jhutchins | abrotman: Should use the ati driver. |
| 17:44.50 | dvs | had a RV250 at one time |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | the pciid might no be recognized |
| 17:44.54 | jhutchins | abrotman: For some reason it's loading i740 when he tries to run X -configure. |
| 17:45.07 | dvs | So that's a 9600 or there abouts? |
| 17:45.13 | Sarago | RV250 [mobility FireGL 9000] |
| 17:46.41 | Sarago | jhutchins: if I run startx I get a blackscreen with a cursor in the middle and nothing else, the cursor won't move |
| 17:46.59 | Sarago | I can't ctrl-alt-backspace out of it either |
| 17:47.45 | abrotman | that's not lspci -nn |
| 17:47.48 | abrotman | and it's FireGL |
| 17:49.15 | abrotman | *chirp* |
| 17:49.29 | Sarago | past2.org/p/793726 |
| 17:49.37 | Sarago | paste2.org |
| 17:49.39 | abrotman | is that really the URL ? |
| 17:50.23 | abrotman | judd: xorg 1002:4c66 |
| 17:50.24 | judd | In lenny, device 1002:4c66 is matched by xorg driver: 'radeon'. |
| 17:50.30 | Sarago | it is my understanding that this is a radeon |
| 17:50.41 | abrotman | i thought the fireGL only worked with fglrx |
| 17:50.51 | Sarago | judd: that is my understanding of what should be used is the radeon driver |
| 17:51.07 | abrotman | Sarago: judd is a bot |
| 17:51.22 | Sarago | ah, okay |
| 17:51.38 | Sarago | so is there a way to force Xorg -configure to use radeon driver? |
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| 17:52.29 | abrotman | it's "X -configure" .. and you can use that to generate an xorg.conf and then edit it as you see fit |
| 17:53.01 | wols_ | Sarago: have you done what I told you? |
| 17:53.10 | Sarago | X -configure does the same thing |
| 17:53.29 | Sarago | wols_: i must have missed that, sorry :( |
| 17:53.36 | abrotman | does what same thing ? |
| 17:53.59 | Sarago | Xorg -configure and X -configure both fail with the same seg fault |
| 17:54.27 | abrotman | Sarago: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:55.46 | Sarago | full-upgrade or safe-upgrade? |
| 17:56.25 | wols_ | Sarago: do you have trouble reading? |
| 17:56.42 | Sarago | no |
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| 17:57.11 | Sarago | nothing was installed updating and doing full-upgrade |
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| 17:58.43 | aguitel | is there in debian like "ubuntu-tweak" ? |
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| 17:59.04 | wols_ | unlikely. but maybe you tell us first what ubuntu-tweak does? |
| 17:59.05 | abrotman | aguitel: which does what ? |
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| 17:59.34 | wols_ | abrotman: I guess this is ubuntu's version of "1000 windows7 tips from professionals" |
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| 17:59.41 | aguitel | abrotman, all that tweak does |
| 18:00.05 | wols_ | if you don't have a clue what it does, why the heck would you install it? |
| 18:00.12 | wols_ | or what it in the first place |
| 18:00.25 | jelly-home | aguitel: that's somewhat of a circular definition. We don't know what it does. |
| 18:00.38 | aguitel | abrotman, configute sources.list ,configure gnome and more |
| 18:00.45 | abrotman | you don't need that |
| 18:01.01 | aguitel | abrotman, you are right |
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| 18:01.26 | aguitel | abrotman, but when i was in ubuntu ,i like it |
| 18:02.29 | Sarago | abrotman: could this be my problem... http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1381370 |
| 18:02.59 | Sarago | does squeeze include drivers that no longer support this card? |
| 18:05.36 | dvs | Sarago: you could try fglrx from multimedia |
| 18:05.59 | Sarago | dvs: under lenny it was working and used radeon |
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| 18:06.27 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 18:06.39 | DukeDrake | does anyone know, what "zip -j" does` |
| 18:06.41 | DukeDrake | ? |
| 18:06.45 | Sarago | under squeeze, X -configure seems to want to use something else that fails |
| 18:06.58 | abrotman | DukeDrake: did you look in the man page yet ? |
| 18:07.14 | DukeDrake | Neither do I have nor do I need zip ... I just need the manpage or need to knwo what -jh is for |
| 18:07.22 | DukeDrake | -j |
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| 18:07.25 | abrotman | google "linux zip man" |
| 18:07.30 | DukeDrake | I did |
| 18:07.53 | DukeDrake | ok ... |
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| 18:08.24 | abrotman | so you got your answer than |
| 18:08.25 | DukeDrake | thanx a lot -.- |
| 18:08.25 | Sarago | it zips all the files ignoring path |
| 18:08.27 | abrotman | then |
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| 18:08.44 | DukeDrake | yes ... |
| 18:09.03 | DukeDrake | I googled almost every other keyword combination %) |
| 18:09.15 | abrotman | your google-fu is weak |
| 18:09.27 | DukeDrake | at least today |
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| 18:13.02 | Sarago | googling linux man zip the first link will give you your answer |
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| 18:18.06 | sbrothy | When I run apt-get autoremove some libboost libraries are removed. Then when I run apt-get distupgrade the same libraries are reinstalled...? |
| 18:18.23 | sbrothy | Not a big problem. Just a little weird. |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | recommends ? |
| 18:19.38 | nsadmin | what did you distupgrade to? |
| 18:20.25 | sbrothy | I'm using sid. Everything works, I've just never seen that before. |
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| 18:21.57 | sbrothy | "The following NEW packages will be installed." And then they're installed. |
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| 18:23.31 | nsadmin | it seems like you don't mind whether they're installed or not, since you didn't know in advance what would be removed by the autoremove and also didn't know in advance what would be installed by dist-upgrade |
| 18:24.20 | sbrothy | Indeed. I've been playing around with boost some time ago. They're not important to me. |
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| 18:24.50 | abrotman | sbrothy: are they recommends ? |
| 18:25.03 | sbrothy | no |
| 18:25.18 | sbrothy | I usually just run the command and read what it wants to do before I answer yes or no. |
| 18:25.50 | nsadmin | about how often? |
| 18:25.58 | sbrothy | way too often |
| 18:26.02 | sbrothy | whenever im bored |
| 18:26.11 | sbrothy | ah well. I installed something a while back that needed boost. But ofcourse I can't remember what it was... |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | sbrothy: aptitude why foo |
| 18:27.27 | sbrothy | ah yes |
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| 18:28.51 | nsadmin | are these libs installed now? |
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| 18:29.45 | sbrothy | well no... i think i have the culprite though. it's libboost-all-dev |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | blames nsadmin |
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| 18:30.49 | sbrothy | Yup. That did it. Thanks you. |
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| 18:31.01 | nsadmin | just a thought... |
| 18:31.32 | nsadmin | whenever you get bored you can ask yourself "what is the highest, best use of my time" |
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| 18:32.53 | ars1 | hi i would like to create an user with lowest privileges he should be available to connect through ssh and thats all |
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| 18:33.52 | johaBBa | ars1, connect thru ssh and do what? |
| 18:34.04 | johaBBa | ars1, only xfer files? or only change passwd? |
| 18:34.14 | johaBBa | ars1, only one 1 cmd? |
| 18:34.54 | ars1 | he should be able to just connect |
| 18:34.55 | ars1 | and thats all |
| 18:35.25 | nsadmin | if you give him a shell, he's going to be able to do things one way or another |
| 18:35.32 | johaBBa | ars1, set shell to /bin/false and they' will be logged out immediately.... |
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| 18:36.29 | Jef91 | Howdy All, would someone mind linking me to a default copy of the sources.list for debian stable? |
| 18:36.46 | ars1 | thank you |
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| 18:37.57 | nsadmin | jef01, start with: |
| 18:38.09 | abrotman | Jef91: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:38.45 | abrotman | Jef91: there is a mirror in chicago you can use if you would like |
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| 18:45.05 | Jef91 | Howdy All, would someone mind linking me to a default copy of the sources.list for debian stable? |
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| 18:45.47 | streuner | Jef91: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 18:46.33 | abrotman | streuner: no bot |
| 18:46.35 | abrotman | Jef91: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:46.40 | johaBBa | http://pastebin.com/1uvnqLsR |
| 18:46.42 | abrotman | Jef91: there is a mirror in chicago you can use if you would like |
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| 18:47.03 | abrotman | Jef91: what's wrong with your sources.list ? |
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| 18:47.16 | abrotman | johaBBa: that is not a default copy |
| 18:47.56 | Jef91 | abrotman I am using a debian derivative and they removed the default sources, want to add them back |
| 18:48.07 | Jef91 | It is built off of debian stable |
| 18:48.10 | johaBBa | probably closer than the answer you keep repeating |
| 18:48.14 | abrotman | Jef91: that's probably not a good idea |
| 18:48.19 | abrotman | johaBBa: uhm .. wrong |
| 18:48.37 | johaBBa | Jef91, did that work for ya? |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | and yours might even be illegal for him |
| 18:49.21 | abrotman | Jef91: wouldn't it be better to ask #elive why they've removed those sources ? |
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| 18:50.15 | johaBBa | lol ya |
| 18:50.17 | johaBBa | oops |
| 18:52.17 | Jef91 | abrotman I'd just like a copy of the default sources, please no 20 questions |
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| 18:52.34 | abrotman | Jef91: and i told oyu where to look .. what is wrong with that file ? |
| 18:52.43 | Jef91 | abrotman not there?... |
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| 18:52.52 | abrotman | you don't have that file ? you don' thave apt ? |
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| 18:53.41 | johaBBa | chuckles. |
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| 18:58.31 | Jef91 | abrotman nvm found it with a search function, they move it for some stupid reason |
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| 19:00.08 | nsadmin | Jef91: he was saying you already have an example on your machine, and gave the path |
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| 19:00.34 | nsadmin | he also found you a close mirror |
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| 19:10.59 | tralala | is there something like the reset command that will reset a terminal other than the active one? |
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| 19:12.45 | rpgdude | how do i prevent users from shutting down the machine from gnome/gdm? |
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| 19:14.18 | abrotman | gdmsetup ? |
| 19:14.24 | ars1 | can i deny write privileges for root for / ? |
| 19:15.02 | JPT | sure Oo |
| 19:15.07 | JPT | but that won't make much sense |
| 19:15.07 | ars1 | how? |
| 19:15.25 | JPT | you don't want to do that |
| 19:15.31 | ars1 | i want |
| 19:15.33 | [johaBBa-sake] | that would be an interesting reboot. |
| 19:15.34 | JPT | it might cause your system NOT TO WORK ANYMORE |
| 19:15.35 | JPT | chmod -r / |
| 19:15.41 | ars1 | ty |
| 19:16.04 | JPT | good luck Oo |
| 19:16.05 | abrotman | don't do that ... |
| 19:16.13 | [johaBBa-sake] | lol. doo it! |
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| 19:17.10 | JPT | let's see the results... maybe he just wants to test how to shut down a system |
| 19:17.30 | [johaBBa-sake] | i hope he has another pc..... |
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| 19:17.37 | [johaBBa-sake] | ...so he can tell us how bad it was |
| 19:17.42 | JPT | hehe |
| 19:17.47 | ars1 | i want put / file for reboot and deny writing to it |
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| 19:18.16 | [johaBBa-sake] | ars1, are you using a VPS or cloud system? |
| 19:18.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 19:18.38 | ars1 | in OpenVZ there is script in containers that searching for that files and if he is there he is starting that virtual |
| 19:18.45 | johaBBa | ahhh. |
| 19:18.49 | johaBBa | now i see. |
| 19:18.56 | ars1 | sry for bad english |
| 19:18.57 | johaBBa | what file are they overwriting? |
| 19:19.50 | reber | hi. Anything more user friendly than gocr-tk ? |
| 19:19.59 | johaBBa | ars1, you are trying to make sure that files is always there? |
| 19:20.06 | ars1 | yep |
| 19:20.08 | tralala | my tty7 is really messed up and when I switch to it there's no switching out. Is there any way to reset it from another tty? |
| 19:20.18 | johaBBa | ars1, what is the path? |
| 19:20.38 | ars1 | i must go :X |
| 19:20.45 | johaBBa | lol /wave |
| 19:20.46 | ars1 | but anyway thanks for help |
| 19:20.55 | ars1 | will be here tommorow ^^ |
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| 19:22.56 | g00se | wicd: with whatever network i try to connect to, i get 'acquiring IP address' forever. How can i debug this? |
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| 19:24.57 | abrotman | reber: to do what? |
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| 19:25.58 | Jef91 | Anyone know what package the debuild command is contained in? |
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| 19:27.06 | abrotman | Jef91: ask the channel for your distro |
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| 19:27.45 | Jef91 | abrotman It uses the same packages as debian stable, elive is just a tweaked Lenny |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | Jef91: this channel is to support Debian, not elive, go to #elive |
| 19:28.09 | g00se | Jef91: devscripts |
| 19:28.18 | abrotman | and you can go with him |
| 19:28.24 | Jef91 | Thanks g00se |
| 19:28.27 | Jef91 | abrotman - grow up |
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| 19:28.49 | abrotman | Jef91: you've been sileneced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 19:29.04 | g00se | abrotman: I've just got in - sorry |
| 19:29.04 | rpgdude | abrotman: yeah that worked, i just disabled the Actions menu |
| 19:29.22 | abrotman | Jef91: this channel is to support Debian users, not people that use all the debian-based distros .. Please go to #elive |
| 19:29.34 | abrotman | rpgdude: i thought i'd remembered seeing it there |
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| 19:32.00 | PinkFreud | he loves elive, yet he was in #debian. go figure. |
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| 19:33.37 | nsadmin | livelovelive |
| 19:33.57 | nsadmin | liv tyler that is :) |
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| 19:41.41 | nsadmin | that's the only way to implement silencing these days? |
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| 19:42.19 | loXx | i installed openoffice3.1 from backports(lenny) some time ago by using apt-get -t lenny-backports ... by now, there is openoffice3.2 in backports, but aptitude doesn't show any updates. can i tell aptitude to show and install the updates? |
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| 19:42.41 | nsadmin | aptitude update? |
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| 19:43.33 | loXx | nsadmin: nope, aptitude keeps the openoffice version |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | loXx: apt-cache policy openoffice.org ? |
| 19:44.10 | nsadmin | so aptitude update does not reread the informational files? |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | yes, it does ... but there might be another reason |
| 19:44.40 | nsadmin | oic |
| 19:44.45 | nsadmin | sorta :) |
| 19:45.09 | loXx | abrotman: my version has ***, but the 3.2 is listed |
| 19:45.35 | loXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.35 | loXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | loXx: so if you 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org" ? |
| 19:45.51 | loXx | priority? |
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| 19:48.28 | nsadmin | does inkscape have a scripting language with bindings that let it make and control the graphic objects? |
| 19:50.10 | loXx_ | abrotman: thanks, exactly that i was searching for. will i get new updates automatically next time? |
| 19:50.31 | tuv | i'm preparing to install a small debian cluster (10 nodes or so). what is the recommended way for centralized user management? puppet, ldap, something else? |
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| 19:50.46 | nsadmin | abrotman: why does he have to -t? |
| 19:50.50 | abrotman | loXx_: no idea .. not sure what command you used last time |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: target |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | tuv: cfengine ? chef? puppet ? |
| 19:51.20 | loXx_ | abrotman: apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 19:51.22 | nsadmin | understood, but what's going on? it's a later vers, isn't it? |
| 19:51.24 | abrotman | tuv: it depends if you really want them to be central .. or just have the same users |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | loXx_: please use aptitude |
| 19:51.34 | steve | i'm trying to do a netinstall via PXE of debian 5.0.4 via the latest netinstall.tar.gz, but when I boot the system into the installer, the menu heading mentions "archive"... and it keeps telling me the mirrors don't have the right Release file, anyone know what's going on? |
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| 19:51.48 | loXx_ | abrotman: sure ... but then, didn't know :) |
| 19:51.51 | nsadmin | does he have a pinning going on? |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: he never gave us the full command he had used |
| 19:52.19 | tuv | abrotman: i want every user to be able to switch machines transparently |
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| 19:52.49 | tuv | abrotman: the underlying implementation is not critical |
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| 19:53.17 | loXx_ | apt-get -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org |
| 19:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: Probably want to look into NIS, most likely an NFS /home |
| 19:53.20 | loXx_ | this one |
| 19:53.22 | abrotman | tuv: yes, but do you actually want central auth? or just the same users/passwords on each ? |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | eww |
| 19:53.42 | nsadmin | ok, I'm still skeptical... so, he has 3.1 of something, and wants 3.2, which is available in a source... why doesn't it just install? (I thought the default was to take the latest avail) |
| 19:53.54 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: This is more than a one-click solution, you want to understand the overall good practices for it. |
| 19:53.57 | abrotman | nsadmin: maybe it was pinning, i didn't look |
| 19:54.02 | tuv | abrotman: it doesn't matter really. why would i prefer one over the other |
| 19:54.06 | nsadmin | my skepticism is: there must be something else going on :) |
| 19:54.07 | abrotman | tuv: ldap is one good way .. |
| 19:54.21 | abrotman | tuv: because one truly is central auth, the other is still 10 independent machines |
| 19:55.10 | loXx_ | FYI http://pastebin.com/Tp9s9MJE |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | tuv: obviously the 10 independent is easier in the short run ... |
| 19:55.13 | tuv | abrotman: i realize the difference, i'm just not sure why would i prefer one over the other. i can't see any practical implications of using one vs. the other |
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| 19:55.56 | abrotman | tuv: because one really is central auth .. so if you wanted to change a password, you'd do it in one place, with 10 auths .. you'd have to change all of them |
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| 19:56.33 | melkart | how can i find out which graphics driver i am running? |
| 19:56.36 | tuv | abrotman: but wouldn't somthing like puppet take care of the replicated work? so i still modify once |
| 19:56.42 | abrotman | melkart: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | loXx_: looks like pinning |
| 19:56.52 | loXx_ | is it best to remove the current openoffice3.1 and reinstall 3.2 with aptitude? |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | tuv: you could do it that way |
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| 19:58.36 | tuv | is nfs still the best way for roaming home directories? |
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| 19:59.24 | wols | tuv: not too many alternatives.... cifs? afs? |
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| 20:00.17 | tuv | wols: how about replicating the home directories everywhere?! i might have too much disk space |
| 20:00.26 | melkart | thank you |
| 20:00.49 | wols | tuv: and too much LAN bandwith |
| 20:00.50 | loXx_ | thanks ;-) |
| 20:01.02 | wols | diskspace isn't the problem here |
| 20:01.27 | tuv | i'm still not sure whether i should use ldap or puppet for unified user management |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | tuv: they do different things |
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| 20:03.16 | mirak | hi |
| 20:03.39 | tuv | abrotman: but they look like they can be used to achieve the same functionality |
| 20:03.55 | abrotman | not relaly |
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| 20:04.20 | mirak | I am about to add the second drive to my raid1. is it possible to cancel the sync process ? I want to know how to in case it slows the computer to much, I will do that when I am away. |
| 20:04.42 | mirak | maybe I can stop it by setting the drive I added as faulty ? |
| 20:05.13 | tuv | abrotman: i understand the bit about one actual user db vs. multiple copies of one db. but how does that affect the provided functionality? in both cases i edit my user db once and it's applied everywhere |
| 20:06.27 | abrotman | tuv: then just pick one |
| 20:06.43 | tuv | abrotman: i even see a slight advantage to the puppet approach: no single-point-of-failure |
| 20:06.59 | tuv | well, there is ldap replication too, i guess |
| 20:07.27 | tuv | abrotman: my question is: are they otherwise identical, or am i missing an advantage of one over the other |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | the fun of the experiment ? |
| 20:08.09 | tuv | which would be more fun then? |
| 20:09.36 | tuv | can anyone recommend an ldap user management tool? |
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| 20:10.35 | abrotman | #ldap probably could |
| 20:10.36 | Keba | hi thre |
| 20:10.58 | Keba | the lenny package boinc-client is broken. boinc-client needs schedtool to run, but schedtool is not installed automatically |
| 20:11.05 | rzeka | Does anybody has same problem as me that userscripts.org (greasemonkey scripts) doesn't work? |
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| 20:12.54 | Keba | well, this bug has been reported... |
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| 20:14.32 | aids | selam |
| 20:14.41 | aids | turkce bilen birisi varmi? :( |
| 20:14.57 | nsadmin | rzeka: any time you want to see if "Does anybody has same problem as me that ...", /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:16.07 | nsadmin | it's a database that shows problems people have had |
| 20:16.17 | nsadmin | and what the status of the solutions are |
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| 20:18.15 | abrotman | aids: english here |
| 20:18.30 | aids | hi i am internet sharing problem help me :( |
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| 20:19.41 | aids | i have installed Shorewall firewall can't configure the rules and zones :( |
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| 20:19.49 | abrotman | aids: with what OS ? |
| 20:19.55 | ruzu | what kernel does debian testing currently have? |
| 20:19.59 | ruzu | *version |
| 20:20.33 | aids | shorewall version 2.2.3 |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | ruzu: 2.6.32-4 |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | erm .. -3 i think ? |
| 20:21.05 | ruzu | thanks |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | aids: what's not what i asked .. what does "dpkg -l libc6" say ? |
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| 20:21.20 | abrotman | ruzu: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.32 |
| 20:21.27 | khaleel5000 | hi, i have hp mini, 1020 , i want to install debian (it came with win7,and Without a cdrom) i have googled but cant find how to 'boot iso via usb disk' is there any link or how to you can direct me to ? |
| 20:21.43 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about usb install |
| 20:21.52 | abrotman | bleh .. no bot |
| 20:21.56 | abrotman | khaleel5000: it's in the installation manual |
| 20:22.24 | ruzu | thanks again |
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| 20:22.33 | aids | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 20:23.17 | abrotman | aids: why are you running etch ? |
| 20:23.50 | abrotman | aids: you should probably read the shorewall docs ... it's supposedly a much easier frontend to iptables |
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| 20:25.23 | aids | :( |
| 20:26.14 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en here i believe it mentions how to , but its for being in linuxbased env, i have windows 7 |
| 20:26.18 | khaleel5000 | :( |
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| 20:27.37 | abrotman | khaleel5000: you don't have any other computers ? |
| 20:29.30 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: no |
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| 20:29.35 | metalfan__ | hi |
| 20:29.40 | abrotman | you seriously have only one computer ? |
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| 20:30.13 | metalfan__ | how do you properly change a systems hostname? ive changed /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/mailname but still the postfix config picks up some old hostname as mydestination...but where from? |
| 20:30.31 | abrotman | khaleel5000: maybe use unetbootin to create a bootable stick for ubuntu, and then setup debian on another usb stick ? |
| 20:30.45 | abrotman | metalfan__: did you restart postfix ? |
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| 20:31.14 | metalfan__ | i did delete the configs in /etc/postfix and run: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | not what i asked ? |
| 20:31.38 | metalfan__ | which recreated the configs, but still it knows about my old hostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:31.45 | metalfan__ | apt-get restarts postfix |
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| 20:31.51 | abrotman | metalfan__: postfix is chrooted .. i think /var/lib/postfix/ .. but i can't recall exactly |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | metalfan__: and you should be using aptitude |
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| 20:32.15 | metalfan__ | i do, just dont know howto recreate configs with aptitude |
| 20:32.29 | SerajewelKS | ok now that's odd.. thunderbird is not doing timezone conversions in Date: headers |
| 20:32.30 | abrotman | same way mostly |
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| 20:37.15 | abrotman | khaleel5100: no need ot msg me |
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| 20:37.36 | abrotman | khaleel5100: maybe she should use a distro that has a better method ? |
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| 20:38.36 | randomuser | i'm editing sources.list to get 'unstable' packages. I get that replace 'lenny' with 'sid', but should i do the same for repos other than the main mirror, like security.debian.org, volatile.debian.org and debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 20:39.11 | rww | randomuser: sid doesn't get security updates, and I don't think it gets volatile updates |
| 20:39.44 | abrotman | randomuser: please don't use sid if you don't understand this .. sid breaks |
| 20:40.29 | randomuser | i understand the risks of sid. I was just checking to see if sid gets tracked in the above mentioned repsitories |
| 20:40.33 | ceil | Sid takes pleasure in breaking |
| 20:40.37 | ceil | didn't you see the movie? |
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| 20:41.09 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: can you suggest any suiting the current circumstances? |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | i did .. but you keep changing nicks |
| 20:41.57 | randomuser | how unstable is it, anyway? like, fedora kind of unstable; or alpha release kind of unstable |
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| 20:42.41 | abrotman | randomuser: please don't use unstable |
| 20:42.53 | abrotman | randomuser: some times very bad things happen .. |
| 20:43.45 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: sorry , having power problems ,if you dont mind typing again |
| 20:44.02 | abrotman | khaleel5100: maybe she should use a distro that has a better method for usb installatoin ? |
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| 20:44.24 | khaleel5000 | yeah i got that message, can you suggest any suiting the current circumstannces? |
| 20:44.47 | randomuser | bad as in ignorant users will have to re-image OS, or bad as in corrupt ACPI handling fries a cpu? 'bad' is quite generic |
| 20:46.13 | abrotman | randomuser: that depends on how much you know about debian .. you should probably use 'squeeze' instead |
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| 20:49.02 | randomuser | well, thanks for the insight. |
| 20:49.06 | SuperPuffy | runs over the legs of the Jew Communist Richard Stallman, the creator of the anarcho-syndicalist Communist GPL license, and then proceeds to throw hin in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics |
| 20:49.08 | SuperPuffy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfccahPtgUg |
| 20:49.11 | SuperPuffy | OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 GENERIC#0 i386 |
| 20:49.13 | SuperPuffy | w00t ! |
| 20:49.21 | SuperPuffy | linux is for bitchs and dumb ones at that ! |
| 20:49.33 | SuperPuffy | linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that, rather ! |
| 20:49.34 | SuperPuffy | haha |
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| 20:50.01 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: a little late |
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| 20:50.24 | abrotman | khaleel5000: not really |
| 20:50.35 | khaleel5000 | hmmmmm :) |
| 20:50.52 | ceil | randomuser: as far as i know, Sid accepts packages as soon as upstream updates them. nothing in Sid is tested. everything will break. |
| 20:51.10 | ceil | this is a Bad Thing for desktop and server alike |
| 20:51.11 | abrotman | ceil: not how it works |
| 20:51.21 | ceil | abrotman: am i close? :X |
| 20:51.23 | masu3701_ | so i set up openvpn on my server...what info do i need for the client pc to connect ? |
| 20:51.26 | abrotman | not really |
| 20:51.29 | ceil | :( |
| 20:51.43 | ceil | nm me then |
| 20:51.57 | randomuser | I have the one more question today; focus only transfers to a window when I click its title bar; is this standard behavior or is there a fix to transfer focus after clicking anywhere in the window? |
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| 20:52.15 | ceil | randomuser: depends on your window manager |
| 20:52.37 | ceil | it's almost certainly adjustable, but i only know how to do it in e16 :) |
| 20:52.40 | randomuser | ceil: thanks; sounds like develompent/compatibility use, which would indeed be 'bad' |
| 20:53.03 | randomuser | ceil: using gnome/compiz |
| 20:53.07 | ceil | also, alt-clicking anywhere on the window will probably raise it (and if you move the mouse, move it) |
| 20:53.09 | abrotman | randomuser: which WM? you're talking about the focus-model for your mouse ... |
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| 20:53.42 | ceil | yeh i've no idea how to change focus in gnome or compiz |
| 20:54.15 | abrotman | look in the compiz configuratoin utility .. should be like a focus follows mouse or sloppy focus |
| 20:55.20 | aids | its some problem :( |
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| 20:55.39 | aids | i can not configure the iptables for sharing the internet |
| 20:55.42 | aids | :( |
| 20:56.00 | abrotman | aids: do you have the 'ipmasq' package available ? |
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| 20:56.36 | aids | ipmasq not installed |
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| 20:57.37 | digitteknohippie | anyone know a nice resource to help a [relative]noob upgrade their kernel? most of what i've found is ancient or unclear/incomplete. |
| 20:58.26 | abrotman | aids: maybe you should try installing it |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: which kernel do you have now? (uname -rwhat's wrong with the kernel you have? |
| 20:58.52 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: which kernel do you have now? (uname -r) what's wrong with the kernel you have? |
| 20:59.13 | digitteknohippie | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:59.55 | digitteknohippie | been upgrading other bits of my system, n now udev is complaining. need to upgrade kernel first before i can move on. |
| 21:00.09 | digitteknohippie | and it'd just be nice to get the latest. hehe. |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 21:01.04 | digitteknohippie | i presume, when u type "linux-image" u dont mean literally, directly, that. right? |
| 21:01.05 | aids | Err http://mirror.ox.ac.uk sarge/main ipmasq 4.0.2 |
| 21:01.06 | aids | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.28 | abrotman | i typed what i meant |
| 21:01.34 | digitteknohippie | cool. thnx |
| 21:01.36 | wald0 | i can add tags to my files in the filesystem ? i want to organize my lot of documentation PDF's with tags |
| 21:01.55 | abrotman | aids: please do'nt msg me |
| 21:02.17 | abrotman | aids: if you'd like to speak german, there are german help channels for Debian |
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| 21:08.09 | wald0 | how i can organize my pdf's with tags ? |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | wald0: i'm not sure you can at all |
| 21:09.54 | abrotman | can you do that in any other OS ? |
| 21:10.17 | wald0 | im not sure, ill use only debian |
| 21:11.33 | wald0 | im with the problem that i have a lot of documentation PDF that i want to have them correctly organized, for example, a document can be in the section "shell", "linux", "debian", and "administration" at the same time |
| 21:12.07 | wald0 | wonder why FS doesn't support tags |
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| 21:15.04 | abrotman | wald0: they make directories for that ? |
| 21:15.26 | sauvin | Symlinks, too! |
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| 21:17.06 | wald0 | yes, i think that directories and symlinks are the most "near" thing, but stills not the same |
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| 21:19.51 | Tramp | wald0: extended attributes? Problem is, that you'd have to write your own support application-wise |
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| 21:21.07 | abrotman | wait .. didn't nautilus add some sort of tagging system ? |
| 21:21.15 | sauvin | pytagsfs (1) - filesystem mapping media files to an arbitrary directo... |
| 21:22.04 | hideo | could be useful for pr0n ;) |
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| 21:26.42 | wald0 | Tramp: maybe you know any PDF organizer for linux* that support tags ? |
| 21:26.57 | wald0 | i never used a pdf organizer lol, just cli |
| 21:27.25 | Tramp | I know about the existence of extended attributes. I try to avoid PDF wherever I can. |
| 21:27.44 | wald0 | what you mean by avoid ? |
| 21:28.07 | Tramp | Assuming that because I have heard of extended attributes I may be an expert for extended-attribute-based-PDF-organizers is a bit far fetched, I think |
| 21:28.22 | wald0 | yep |
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| 21:44.33 | Sp3c1alK | How can I let an underprivileged user run a daemon via /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:45.44 | rednammoc | hi guys. having troubles removing my raid. thought i've done all necessary steps, but after restarting and checking up /proc/mdstat i saw a new syncing-process /dev/md0 /dev/sdc[0] /dev/sdb[1]. does someone know how to remove the complete raid ? |
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| 21:45.55 | wald0 | is there a way to search "massive zeroes" in files ? (like wrongly copied/downloaded ones) |
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| 21:46.18 | xand | wald0: eh? |
| 21:47.08 | wald0 | files downloaded in torrent are allocated with zero's, if the download was wrongly made you have a file with data and parts of it that is "only zeroes" |
| 21:47.11 | wald0 | xand: |
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| 21:51.09 | xand | wald0: do an md5sum to compare with that it should be? |
| 21:51.35 | wald0 | and how i can know which one is the "good" ? |
| 21:51.39 | wald0 | i want to search zeroes |
| 21:51.44 | wald0 | empty data inside the file |
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| 21:54.03 | starke | hey anybody know if the powerpc arch of 5.0.4 works on the ps3? |
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| 21:55.55 | adb | starke, only debian-live . see http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 |
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| 21:57.37 | SolarisBoy | wald0: du -h --apparent-size vs du -h? |
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| 22:09.04 | jelly-home | SolarisBoy: that works for actual sparse files, but not for files full of \0 bytes |
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| 22:27.46 | greg__ | hi |
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| 22:34.29 | rzeka | I use debian lenny. I have error 'libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work'. This file is in /lib and I did symbolic link to /usr/lib but error's still on. Does anybody got a solution |
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| 22:37.04 | abrotman | rzeka: does 'ldd' agree when run on the binary ? |
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| 22:37.50 | rzeka | ldd? |
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| 22:38.49 | rzeka | abrotman? |
| 22:39.28 | abrotman | rzeka: where is the binary you're trying to run ? |
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| 22:39.38 | rzeka | /home/rzeka/ts :) |
| 22:40.01 | abrotman | rzeka: ldd /home/rzeka/ts |
| 22:40.19 | rzeka | as root or as user? |
| 22:40.32 | abrotman | user |
| 22:41.05 | rzeka | http://pastie.org/934726 |
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| 22:41.50 | rzeka | abrotman, and this: http://pastie.org/934728 |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | rzeka: can you paste the output for how you get the error above about the missing file ? |
| 22:43.18 | mohamed-ragab | i install mail man in my vps and make newlist , how can open the new list from my sub domine ? |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | from a webbrowser ? |
| 22:43.43 | rzeka | http://pastie.org/934729 |
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| 22:44.28 | abrotman | rzeka: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 22:44.39 | rzeka | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 22:44.40 | rzeka | hihi |
| 22:44.56 | abrotman | rzeka: so you're trying to run a 32bit application ona 64bit OS / |
| 22:44.57 | abrotman | ? |
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| 22:45.27 | rzeka | There's no 64 bit version :( |
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| 22:46.11 | abrotman | okay .. and does this setup normally work for people ? |
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| 22:47.04 | rzeka | 32bit app @ 64? I have no idea ;) I used it on 32bit long time ago |
| 22:47.12 | abrotman | rzeka: ultimately, you may have to ask on their forums ... |
| 22:47.20 | sdondley | I've got a perl script I'd like to run as a service, like a daemon. how do I do that? |
| 22:47.33 | mohamed-ragab | i install mail man in my vps and make newlist , how can open the new list from my sub domine ? |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | from a webbrowser ? |
| 22:48.35 | mordocai | I bet this is asked alot, but googling didn't find many linux solutions... is there something in the debian repositories(preferred, i can download/compile as well) that will break through iTunes and windows media player encryption methods? Both music and video files. |
| 22:49.51 | khaleel5000 | hey why is no bot here ? |
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| 22:50.20 | abrotman | the bot took today off .. he was tired |
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| 22:51.04 | sdondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 22:51.09 | dondelelcaro | sdondley: ? |
| 22:51.14 | PinkFreud | argh. is the latest bpo 2.6.30 kernel for lenny broken!? |
| 22:51.18 | sdondley | hey, what's up? |
| 22:51.26 | PinkFreud | bangs his head against a brick wall |
| 22:51.52 | dbbolton | what Qt4 cd ripping software is available in squeeze and/or sid? |
| 22:52.11 | PinkFreud | it's been working fine on boot after boot - until now. dropped me to a shell in initrd after failing to find /dev/sda1. |
| 22:52.31 | PinkFreud | I checked - /dev lacks sda* |
| 22:52.42 | PinkFreud | dmesg shows me the drive was detected as sda. |
| 22:52.46 | bzed | dbbolton: I think soundkonverter is able to rip cds - but that should be kde/qt, if thats ok, too :) |
| 22:52.53 | abrotman | khaleel5000: what did you want from the bot ? |
| 22:53.03 | PinkFreud | does the bpo 2.6.30 kernel have a race condition I should know about? |
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| 22:58.10 | PinkFreud | screw it. It seems clear to me at this point that this machine simply won't run lenny. I've gone through fight after fight after fight to get lenny to run on here, only to be screwed by a buggy kernel in the end. |
| 22:58.14 | PinkFreud | ubuntu it is. |
| 22:58.54 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 22:58.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:59.08 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: there's no 2.6.30 in bpo, fwiw |
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| 23:01.54 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: http://ftp.de.debian.org/backports.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_amd64.deb |
| 23:02.28 | PinkFreud | backports appears to maintain 2.6.30 and .32. |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | PinkFreud: there is a .32 available now, have you tried it ? |
| 23:03.15 | PinkFreud | abrotman: yes. bpo.4 of 2.6.32 is still broken, as it relies on a broken linux-base. this doesn't matter in any case, as this box is running fglrx, which does not compile with 2.6.32. |
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| 23:03.30 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about that |
| 23:04.12 | pipeline | broken how ? |
| 23:04.30 | abrotman | pipeline: it's in the BTS i believe .. i know it's on the mailing lists |
| 23:04.33 | PinkFreud | pipeline: have you tried installing linux-base-2.6.32 from bpo? |
| 23:04.52 | PinkFreud | yeah. think I might still have the bug open in a tab. |
| 23:05.00 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: nothing just noticed that he was absent , as you mentioned, so asked why is bot offline/unavailable |
| 23:05.19 | PinkFreud | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576608 |
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| 23:06.54 | PinkFreud | unfortunately, I think I've reached the end of the road with lenny. I need this box to be stable, and a race condition in the kernel doesn't count as stable. |
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| 23:08.21 | mac | there's a patch for it already if you can be bothered to recompile http://bit.ly/c6ieX5 |
| 23:08.59 | PinkFreud | mac: what the hell? |
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| 23:09.18 | PinkFreud | friggin spammer. |
| 23:10.05 | PinkFreud | mac's link redirects to a www.e-castig.com page. he's trolling for hits to supposedly win a 'prize' |
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| 23:11.37 | aguitel | is dpkg online |
| 23:11.42 | cantido | PinkFreud: maybe a backport kernel would do it.. |
| 23:11.53 | PinkFreud | cantido: I'm *running* a backport kernel. |
| 23:12.08 | abrotman | aguitel: what do you want to know ? |
| 23:12.44 | aguitel_ | abrotman, about purge command |
| 23:12.51 | cantido | PinkFreud: mmm, is the backport kernel that far behind whats in testing.. even that isnt very new |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | aguitel_: what about it ? |
| 23:13.43 | aguitel_ | abrotman, to purge files |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | aguitel_: please describe what you're actually trying to do ... |
| 23:14.03 | PinkFreud | backports has 2.6.30 and .32 |
| 23:14.18 | PinkFreud | cantido: and if you read up, you'll discover why I cannot use .32 |
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| 23:15.37 | aguitel_ | abrotman, to purge all from removed files |
| 23:16.01 | abrotman | aguitel_: if the files are removed, what do you want to remove? |
| 23:16.20 | cantido | PinkFreud: um.. you said it'll run ubuntu though :/ |
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| 23:16.50 | aguitel_ | abrotman, many times remain some files |
| 23:16.51 | PinkFreud | yeah. karmic is 2.6.31. |
| 23:17.30 | cantido | PinkFreud: from what you're saying it would seem more likely that your initramfs doesnt have the right modules for your SATA controller |
| 23:17.30 | PinkFreud | cantido: not to mention ubuntu's radeon driver supports the 4200, whereas lenny's does not. I may be able to avoid the horror of fglrx on there. |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | aguitel_: dpkg -P <package> ? is that what you mean? if you would 'aptitude purge <pkg>' to begin with, you'd have less of that |
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| 23:17.49 | cantido | PinkFreud: ubuntu wrote their own driver? amazing |
| 23:17.52 | PinkFreud | cantido: I would agree with you, except for two slight problems. |
| 23:17.57 | aguitel_ | abrotman, aptitude purge |
| 23:18.06 | PinkFreud | cantido: no, ubuntu has a newer radeon driver than lenny. |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | aguitel_: an example ? |
| 23:18.20 | cantido | PinkFreud: kernel driver or Xorg driver? |
| 23:18.30 | PinkFreud | cantido: problem #1 is that this kernel with this initramfs has booted just fine every other time. |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | both ? |
| 23:18.48 | cantido | PinkFreud: theres no reason you cant run any kernel you like as long as it matches up with stuff like udev |
| 23:19.09 | PinkFreud | cantido: problem #2 is that, since boot failed and I was dropped to a shell in the initrd, I've checked - dmesg reports the hdd was detected as sda. |
| 23:19.16 | cantido | PinkFreud: I've scrolled up but cant actually find where you describe whats really happening |
| 23:19.21 | PinkFreud | /dev simply lacks any sda* device nodes. |
| 23:19.39 | cantido | PinkFreud: ok, so the kernel cant read your partition table.. is it something special like GPT? |
| 23:19.58 | PinkFreud | cantido: you misunderstand again. /dev/sda does not exist, either. |
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| 23:20.09 | aguitel_ | abrotman, aptitude purge to remove configuration files |
| 23:20.11 | PinkFreud | it's not the partition table - the device nodes for sda* were not created. |
| 23:20.30 | PinkFreud | the kernel recognizes the partition table. no, it's not gpt. |
| 23:20.33 | abrotman | aguitel_: give me an example of a pcakage that you purged, and there are still files on the system |
| 23:20.40 | cantido | PinkFreud: if you know what it is.. why cant you fix it then? |
| 23:20.45 | PinkFreud | and again, this kernel has booted fine every other time, until now. |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | watches this go nowhere ... |
| 23:20.56 | PinkFreud | cantido: because it appears likely to be a race condition. |
| 23:21.08 | PinkFreud | cantido: if you want to fix a race, go for it. |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | pays off the horse |
| 23:21.40 | cantido | PinkFreud: so it no longer boots, and you've decided that's a race condition.. one that doesn't exist in ubuntu? |
| 23:21.45 | PinkFreud | abrotman: in what, wild oats? |
| 23:21.57 | PinkFreud | cantido: I did not say it no longer boots. |
| 23:22.01 | abrotman | yes! |
| 23:22.04 | PinkFreud | I said on *this* boot, it fails. |
| 23:22.09 | PinkFreud | abrotman: clever |
| 23:22.18 | cantido | PinkFreud: you said it dumps out to the initramfs shell right? |
| 23:22.31 | abrotman | PinkFreud: your BIOS sees the drive, correct ? |
| 23:22.33 | PinkFreud | cantido: yep. and dmesg shows me that the disk was detected. |
| 23:22.45 | PinkFreud | abrotman: of course. I'd never have made it this far otherwise. |
| 23:22.47 | cantido | PinkFreud: but the dev node isnt created? |
| 23:22.56 | PinkFreud | the box only has two drives - one 640 GB disk, one dvd burner. |
| 23:22.57 | PinkFreud | that's it |
| 23:23.05 | PinkFreud | cantido: that would be correct. |
| 23:23.35 | cantido | cant remember if the initramfs uses a static /dev |
| 23:23.44 | PinkFreud | the bios was able to execute the boot loader (grub), and grub was able to boot the kernel and load the ramdisk. |
| 23:24.10 | Brookss-toshiba1 | is it a bad idea to apt-get install asterisk vs compile it? |
| 23:24.23 | cantido | PinkFreud: yes,.. but that stuff no long matters once the kernel is running and using the initramfs |
| 23:24.28 | PinkFreud | I've shut this box down numerous times. it's booted up just fine except now. |
| 23:25.05 | cantido | PinkFreud: can you boot the machine with a debian install disk and use the rescue mode to regenerate the initramfs |
| 23:25.09 | PinkFreud | Brookss-toshiba1: I wouldn't apt-get it. In fact, even the asterisk folks recommend you get the source from them, rather than using distro packages. |
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| 23:25.33 | abrotman | Brookss-toshiba1: just be aware that we can't help you with the source compiled stuff |
| 23:25.39 | PinkFreud | cantido: I'll go one step further. I'm willing to bet that if I reboot and use the same kernel and initramfs, it'll boot just fine. |
| 23:25.53 | Brookss-toshiba1 | ok |
| 23:25.59 | PinkFreud | Brookss-toshiba1: what abrotman said. You'll need to get help from asterisk. |
| 23:26.13 | Brookss-toshiba1 | k |
| 23:26.41 | PinkFreud | cantido: hence my suspicion that I've hit a race condition, since my initramfs hasn ot changed |
| 23:27.02 | cantido | PinkFreud: disk may be corrupted |
| 23:27.27 | PinkFreud | cantido: that's an interesting theory. How did you arrive at it? |
| 23:27.47 | aguitel_ | abrotman, this is the command:aptitude purge '~c' |
| 23:27.49 | cantido | PinkFreud: It might very well be a race condition (you dont suggest where) but if its booted n times before perfectly its more likely to be that something has changed |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | aguitel_: that one would work also .. if oyu really want to do that |
| 23:29.46 | PinkFreud | cantido: I can't tell you where. I'm not sure if it's a problem with udev, with a driver, or ... |
| 23:30.08 | cantido | PinkFreud: but its never ever happened before? and its fixed in ubuntu? |
| 23:30.20 | aguitel_ | abrotman, you do not answer my question ,what about #dpkg? |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | aguitel_: the bot? he got disconnected, hasn't returned yet .. it happens sometimes |
| 23:31.05 | PinkFreud | cantido: I never said it's fixed in ubuntu. I said the ubuntu kernel boots just fine. |
| 23:31.22 | PinkFreud | I've never noticed this happen in ubuntu, though that does not mean it's not there. |
| 23:31.24 | aguitel_ | abrotman, a ok thanksss |
| 23:31.35 | PinkFreud | that being said, ubuntu uses .31, this is 30. |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | there's also #debian-es |
| 23:31.52 | cantido | isnt .32 in backports? |
| 23:32.18 | aguitel_ | ok |
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| 23:32.54 | abrotman | cantido: didn't we already cover that it's broken ? |
| 23:33.08 | PinkFreud | 19:03 <PinkFreud> abrotman: yes. bpo.4 of 2.6.32 is still broken, as it relies on a broken linux-base. this doesn't matter in any case, as this box is running fglrx, which does not compile with 2.6.32. |
| 23:33.11 | cantido | PinkFreud: if you can reproduce it you should try and work out what is actually happening. Like restarting udev in the initramfs screen |
| 23:33.18 | cantido | abrotman: nah, I didnt see that. sorry |
| 23:33.43 | aguitel_ | good night for all |
| 23:33.48 | PinkFreud | cantido: As I said earler, if you had scrolled up like I suggested, I cannot run 2.6.32 with fglrx. |
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| 23:34.12 | PinkFreud | and I've tried restarting udev in the shell. so far, not so good. |
| 23:34.31 | PinkFreud | restarting it caused it to detect the flash drive I inserted, but /dev/sd* still does not exist. |
| 23:34.36 | cantido | PinkFreud: does it not boot past the initramfs stage at all anymore? |
| 23:34.36 | PinkFreud | (flash drive is now sdb) |
| 23:34.45 | PinkFreud | cantido: I haven't tried rebooting. |
| 23:34.56 | PinkFreud | I'm still in the shell from my first failed boot |
| 23:35.30 | PinkFreud | I was hoping to save dmesg and the output of a few commands to a flash drive, but this failed boot appears to be determined to thwart that. |
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| 23:36.20 | PinkFreud | I don't think udev is being mounted. |
| 23:36.28 | PinkFreud | that would explain the lack of device nodes. |
| 23:36.31 | cantido | doesnt have huge amount of scrollback |
| 23:37.00 | PinkFreud | since restarting it doesn't appear to be fixing it, it makes me suspect the race condition is with udev. |
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| 23:37.11 | PinkFreud | also, it took restarting udev to have it detect the flash drive. |
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| 23:37.20 | PinkFreud | (despite the lack of device nodes for it) |
| 23:37.21 | cantido | there are more types of bugs than "race conditions" |
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| 23:37.55 | PinkFreud | cantido: true. rather odd that the bug should show up on a single boot after multiple boots working fine, though, is it not? |
| 23:38.35 | cantido | PinkFreud: yes but that could be logs of things.. if it stops working after working before it suggest **drum roll** something has changed |
| 23:38.46 | cantido | s/logs/lots/ |
| 23:39.02 | PinkFreud | hmmm, good point. |
| 23:39.03 | cantido | typing in the dark + lacking the ability of good spelling |
| 23:39.09 | PinkFreud | kernel hasn't changed, initramfs hasn't changed. |
| 23:39.15 | PinkFreud | so, uh... what? :) |
| 23:39.30 | PinkFreud | aaaaaaand... |
| 23:39.33 | PinkFreud | reboot worked. |
| 23:39.49 | cantido | maybe your sata cable is loose |
| 23:39.49 | PinkFreud | booted just fine, as I suspected. |
| 23:40.10 | PinkFreud | cantido: I think something is loose here, but I'm not certain it's my sata cable :) |
| 23:40.30 | abrotman | thinks PinkFreud is loose |
| 23:40.31 | PinkFreud | I'm going with 'race condition in udev in bpo's 2.6.30 kernel' |
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| 23:40.40 | PinkFreud | abrotman: oh, baby. |
| 23:40.53 | cantido | I'm not saying it isn't a race condition. But you are saying it's a race condition and the kernel's faults.. and then debian's fault |
| 23:41.01 | cantido | without really testing anything |
| 23:41.17 | PinkFreud | cantido: how do you suggest testing it? |
| 23:41.33 | cantido | PinkFreud: work out how to reproduce the problem |
| 23:41.41 | PinkFreud | the very nature of a race condition is that it only occurs when certain conditions happen. it won't always show up. |
| 23:41.50 | PinkFreud | cantido: 'turn the box on' |
| 23:42.05 | cantido | you booted once and it failed.. |
| 23:42.12 | PinkFreud | that's how to reproduce it. As already discussed, the box *usually* boots just fine. |
| 23:42.23 | PinkFreud | cantido: Bingo. |
| 23:42.31 | PinkFreud | once. |
| 23:42.41 | PinkFreud | If it failed once, that means that there is an issue. |
| 23:42.50 | cantido | cosmic rays? |
| 23:43.03 | PinkFreud | If it failed once out of, say, 10 boots, then that means there is an issue which will cause it to fail 1/10 of the time (assuming that ratio holds) |
| 23:43.12 | PinkFreud | In that case, yes, it is likely to be a race condition. |
| 23:43.35 | cantido | or a some bit of hardware in your box is flaky |
| 23:43.41 | PinkFreud | Nothing has changed. The kernel is the same. The initramfs is the same. Yet, it fails 1/10 of the time. |
| 23:44.05 | PinkFreud | It's possible that there is faulty ram. Sure, that can cause all sorts of flakiness. |
| 23:44.17 | PinkFreud | Here's why I think that's not the case: |
| 23:44.27 | PinkFreud | #1. Brand new. Hell, everything in here is brand new. |
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| 23:44.45 | abrotman | wait .. if it fails once out of 10 .. then that means there'e an issue that will cause it to fail 1/10 of the boots?! |
| 23:44.53 | PinkFreud | #2. I've been running XP under virtualbox on here with no problems whatsoever. |
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| 23:45.11 | cantido | PinkFreud: No semiconductor is perfect, brandnew or not |
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| 23:45.21 | PinkFreud | Hell, everything has been running just fine, from compiling the fglrx and virtualbox drivers to installing and running XP. |
| 23:45.27 | paissad | may someone pastebin me the output of lsb_release -a please |
| 23:45.33 | paissad | lsb_release -a |
| 23:45.36 | PinkFreud | If there were a hardware issue, I'd suspect it would have presented itself before now |
| 23:46.12 | cantido | PinkFreud: but to have a race condition you have to have things that are in a race.. |
| 23:46.24 | PinkFreud | It seems odd that a hardware issue would only present itself during a single boot, when I've been taxing the hardware quite a bit before this. |
| 23:46.36 | PinkFreud | cantido: are things not in a race during boot? |
| 23:46.38 | cantido | PinkFreud: the boot up isnt very parallel until the rootfs is mounted |
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| 23:47.02 | sweb | for installing debian what cd I need ? |
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| 23:47.16 | dondelelcaro | sweb: just the netinst or similar |
| 23:47.21 | PinkFreud | cantido: what makes you think that? drivers do not necessarily load in the same order. |
| 23:47.32 | chops1 | Does anyone know if it's possible to use pam_ldap to restrict access to different services differently depending on LDAP group membership? |
| 23:47.45 | PinkFreud | ever have a box with two different nics? ever have them swap positions at boot? |
| 23:47.47 | cantido | PinkFreud: they probably do unless your bios moves everything around on each boot |
| 23:47.48 | sweb | dondelelcaro, similar ? |
| 23:48.00 | PinkFreud | cantido: nope. |
| 23:48.05 | dondelelcaro | sweb: yes, like the business card |
| 23:48.29 | dondelelcaro | sweb: read the install guide if you're lost |
| 23:48.41 | sweb | dondelelcaro, and another install way ? |
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| 23:48.44 | sweb | download all cd ? |
| 23:48.47 | cantido | PinkFreud: anyhow unless you're booting over NFS your initramfs doesn't have many "drivers" |
| 23:49.36 | dondelelcaro | sweb: the install guide explains all of this |
| 23:49.39 | cantido | PinkFreud: the initramfs only has enough modules/userland tools to get the rootfs mounted and to pivot into it |
| 23:49.41 | dondelelcaro | sweb: you don't need all of the cds |
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| 23:51.07 | paissad | please mates ... i'm not in my debian system currently ... i'm writing a script & i need to see the output of lsb_release -a |
| 23:51.16 | paissad | may someone pastebin it for me ? |
| 23:51.26 | cantido | paissad: two secs.. |
| 23:51.32 | paissad | ok thanks |
| 23:52.08 | cantido | paissad: http://pastebin.com/sVPNPbak |
| 23:52.19 | paissad | thanks mate |
| 23:52.34 | PinkFreud | cantido: doesn't contain any drivers, eh? |
| 23:52.48 | PinkFreud | # find /tmp/initrd/lib/modules/ | wc -l |
| 23:52.48 | PinkFreud | 398 |
| 23:52.59 | PinkFreud | that's a whole lot of no drivers. :) |
| 23:53.09 | cantido | you initramfs config is probably most then |
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| 23:53.14 | cantido | "most" modules |
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| 23:53.41 | PinkFreud | cantido: it is. that appears to be default in lenny. |
| 23:54.44 | cantido | PinkFreud: modules != drivers btw |
| 23:55.12 | PinkFreud | cantido: The drivers, however, are modules unless they're compiled in. |
| 23:55.41 | PinkFreud | cantido: I've been doing this for a few years now. |
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| 23:56.00 | cantido | Anyhow, unless you can work out where this "race condition" is all you have is a random failure of unknown origin |
| 23:56.30 | PinkFreud | cantido: Which I will continue to call a race condition, due to it having the hallmarks of one. |
| 23:56.43 | PinkFreud | and that is the problem right there - I cannot work out it's location. |
| 23:57.00 | PinkFreud | I am out of time. I need this box to be stable, and I do not have the time to track down a transient issue. |
| 23:57.15 | PinkFreud | All I know is that it appears to be with 2.6.30. |
| 23:57.20 | cantido | Well, if the problem exists in debian its likely to be all over the place |
| 23:57.55 | PinkFreud | cantido: Why? How many lenny users are using 2.6.30 as opposed to the newer 2.6.32 kernel in bpo? |
| 23:58.32 | PinkFreud | for that matter, how many are using a bpo kernel as compared to the default 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 23:58.37 | cantido | how many lenny users are there? |
| 23:59.05 | cantido | sure it isnt an issue with udev? have you tried a static /dev .. have you done anything to work out what it is except for give it a name? |
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| 23:59.30 | PinkFreud | does it matter? My point was that most lenny users are likely using the default 2.6.26. The ones that have booted a kernel from backports are likely using the newer 2.6.32. |
| 23:59.33 | chellomere | cantido, you could take a look at the popcon numbers. |
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| 23:59.49 | cast | yay for bpo kernels |
| 23:59.58 | PinkFreud | ergo, if a race condition exists in bpo's 2.6.30, how many do you think are likely to have encountered it? |