| 00:00.38 | cantido | build a .31 kernel then and be happy or something |
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| 00:01.50 | PinkFreud | yes, now I would have to endeavor to create a 2.6.31 kernel package, make sure the fglrx and virtualbox drivers are created for it, test it, and hope it doesn't have any issues. |
| 00:02.05 | PinkFreud | or, I could just go with ubuntu, and save myself the trouble. |
| 00:02.13 | cantido | thought the issue was a confirmed race condition in .30 |
| 00:02.25 | cantido | which could turn out to have the same issue |
| 00:03.24 | greg__ | hey guys |
| 00:03.25 | PinkFreud | believe me - I'd rather use lenny. lenny has been fighting me every step of the way, though - first the audio didn't work in 2.6.26. Then it was the X.org radeon driver. lenny's fglrx took one look at the video card and declared it had no idea what I wanted it to do. |
| 00:03.45 | PinkFreud | And now this. |
| 00:03.59 | cantido | You did read the bit where it said "no warranty"? |
| 00:04.21 | PinkFreud | cantido: Shockingly, I've been using debian for a few years. Yes, I've read it many times. |
| 00:04.26 | pipeline | fglrx is terrible |
| 00:04.31 | pipeline | buy new hardware |
| 00:04.36 | PinkFreud | cantido: Please tell me where I'm asking for my money back. |
| 00:04.50 | PinkFreud | pipeline: I'd rather use the radeon driver. |
| 00:04.59 | pipeline | PinkFreud: I reiterate: buy new hardware |
| 00:05.05 | PinkFreud | pipeline: Again, lenny's radeon *and* fglrx drivers are too old to support the radeon hd 4200 in here. |
| 00:05.11 | PinkFreud | this IS new hardware. |
| 00:05.26 | cantido | shock! old software cant drive new hardware |
| 00:05.34 | PinkFreud | ubuntu's radeon driver supports the 4200 at least. |
| 00:05.41 | PinkFreud | but that would be because karmic is newer than lenny. |
| 00:05.58 | cantido | did you try squeeze? |
| 00:06.07 | PinkFreud | cantido: I'm glad you just figured that out. |
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| 00:06.21 | PinkFreud | 19:56 <PinkFreud> I am out of time. I need this box to be stable, and I do |
| 00:06.21 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.31 | PinkFreud | cantido: key word there is *stable* |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | could we just move along already ? |
| 00:06.49 | PinkFreud | unless you're trying to imply that squeeze is stable, which I'm sure everyone else in here will tell you that it is not. |
| 00:07.05 | cantido | I haven't had any race conditions yet |
| 00:07.18 | PinkFreud | cantido: are you running 2.6.30 from bpo? |
| 00:07.33 | cantido | I'm running squeeze |
| 00:07.40 | PinkFreud | well, then. :) |
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| 00:08.19 | PinkFreud | in any case - abrotman, cantido - thank you for your help. I'm running lenny on other boxes, but on this one, it looks like I'm destined to run ubuntu. |
| 00:08.46 | PinkFreud | this is a build for a family member, so I'm looking for a stable system, not a hack where I maintain custom kernels, etc. |
| 00:08.59 | cantido | stability rating of latest ubuntu is probably going to around that of squeeze at the moment |
| 00:09.39 | PinkFreud | cantido: at least it appears stable on this hw, and is supported. |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | PinkFreud: okay, have fun! |
| 00:09.55 | PinkFreud | squeeze, alas, isn't exactly what I'd call 'supported' yet. |
| 00:10.07 | qwd | PinkFreud: either will work just fine, probably doesn't matter if you pick squeeze or latest ubuntu. |
| 00:10.30 | cantido | its not like you can ring someone up and get "support" either way |
| 00:10.45 | PinkFreud | cantido: have you tried asking for support for squeeze in here? :) |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | you can .. but that's not the point |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | PinkFreud: sorry it didn't work out, hopefully that other distro will work better for you .. and hopefully cantido will go try to debug your problme |
| 00:11.25 | cantido | PinkFreud: well, as long as you're running squeeze for a reason and not just because you can there doesn't seem to be a huge issue ') |
| 00:11.46 | PinkFreud | qwd: you're likely right, except for the whole support issue. the, er, other distro will support the version that's out right now. |
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| 00:12.02 | PinkFreud | abrotman: yeah :/ |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | PinkFreud: we do help people with squeeze issues here |
| 00:12.08 | qwd | PinkFreud: so pick that, have fun! |
| 00:12.34 | PinkFreud | abrotman: do we? I thought we usually tell them that squeeze isn't stable. :P |
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| 00:12.51 | abrotman | we still help them |
| 00:13.02 | PinkFreud | I think I'd be a little happier at the thought of running squeeze on here if I knew it had frozen. |
| 00:13.06 | SilentAnswers | Sup everybody? |
| 00:13.14 | PinkFreud | although... er, no, squeeze will have one issue. |
| 00:13.38 | cantido | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I saw a bug about a similar udev issue a while ago.. but its sort of up to him/her to look that stuff up ;) |
| 00:13.51 | PinkFreud | if I need to go to fglrx (depends on family member's needs), squeeze's 2.6.32 won't suffice. :( |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | cantido: so you're done talking about the entire thing ? |
| 00:14.30 | PinkFreud | kicks ATI in the nards. |
| 00:14.44 | PinkFreud | (Wolfman's got ... oh, nevermind.) |
| 00:14.54 | cantido | abrotman: yeah, pretty much |
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| 00:15.56 | cantido | the nvidia and ati stuff is always in a constant flux of working or slightly borken, I dont think that'll ever change |
| 00:16.08 | SilentAnswers | PinkFreud, ATI was never the best at Linux support, from what I recall. |
| 00:16.47 | cast | intel <3 |
| 00:16.48 | SilentAnswers | So, what's this Ubuntu/Debian drama I'm hearing little tidbits of? |
| 00:16.51 | cantido | everytime I do an upgrade on my HTPC the xorg drivers or vdpau stuff breaks. I've just learned to accept it |
| 00:17.31 | qwd | I thought ATI had great free drivers by now? |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | for some cards |
| 00:18.11 | cantido | cast: intel stuff breaks in a different way, like older chipsets becoming unworkable |
| 00:18.29 | abrotman | cantido: my old laptop still works fine .. haven't had an issue yet with "unworkable" |
| 00:18.30 | PinkFreud | qwd: free drivers work, though radeon is currently moving to kms support. |
| 00:18.42 | PinkFreud | don't get me started on intel, either. |
| 00:18.54 | PinkFreud | they've moved entirely to kms with the newer driver. |
| 00:19.05 | cantido | abrotman: when they enabled the clock scaling/power saving stuff my older macbook would lock up all the time |
| 00:19.26 | PinkFreud | I tried sticking lenny on an old laptop with an i810 chipset. it works great with that black screen. |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | cantido: would you like me to comment on the quality of apple hardware ? |
| 00:19.41 | cantido | abrotman: shiney and badly built? |
| 00:19.46 | PinkFreud | abrotman: Please don't. You'll set me off. |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | shiny ? |
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| 00:20.00 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: nothing wrong with kms on intel for me, on i915GM, i945GM, and G45/G43 |
| 00:20.03 | cantido | abrotman: alas, that wasnt apples fault.. that was to do with stuff getting broken |
| 00:20.06 | SilentAnswers | suddenly feels like the heretic who is totally happy with his MacBook for day to day stuff... |
| 00:20.11 | PinkFreud | I have so much to say about Apple's hardware and software quality that I'll never shut up. |
| 00:20.26 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: on newer hardware, that's likely the case. |
| 00:20.29 | abrotman | cantido: i'm skeptical .. i've got older hardware than you .. works fine |
| 00:20.46 | PinkFreud | but kms is known to blow up on some older intel hardware. guess what - i810 appears to be an example :) |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | PinkFreud: and works fine on my 830/855 |
| 00:20.57 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: well, that i915GM thinkpad is from 2005 |
| 00:21.05 | cantido | abrotman: breakage was on a 945 IIRC |
| 00:21.13 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: the laptop in question is, iirc, i815. |
| 00:21.21 | PinkFreud | that's a bit older. |
| 00:21.23 | abrotman | cantido: so your hardware sucks .. shocker |
| 00:21.45 | PinkFreud | SilentAnswers: heretic. :) |
| 00:21.51 | cantido | well, it was to do with new features they added disabling the features made it work. |
| 00:21.59 | SilentAnswers | PinkFreud, I will not repent! :D |
| 00:22.12 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 00:22.17 | kurt_h | is dpkg broken? i just get this response to any /msgs: No such nick/channel |
| 00:22.17 | cantido | there is plenty in the debian and ubuntu bug trackers about it |
| 00:22.24 | qwd | I have the Intel G33, the only problem I had with it was mysterious crashes long ago but they eventually solved it. Bought the PC around the same time when ATI would release specs and thought about going for ATI but thought of how long it'd take for the drivers to actually be good. Happy with my choice :) |
| 00:22.38 | SilentAnswers | Hmmm... Ext3, XFS, JFS, or Reiser? |
| 00:22.53 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: if you have to ask, ext3. |
| 00:23.05 | SilentAnswers | That's kind of a poor rationale... |
| 00:23.15 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: that's kind of a poor question. |
| 00:23.23 | abrotman | kurt_h: bot isn't here |
| 00:23.35 | SilentAnswers | jelly-home, You're poor help. |
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| 00:23.48 | PinkFreud | oh, and I do know that one needs to disable the framebuffer to get kms to work (regress much?), but even without the framebuffer, kms enabled in the kernel results in a black screen |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | SilentAnswers: if you don't have any better criteria .. use ext3 |
| 00:24.19 | SilentAnswers | It's more a matter of what's good at what. I haven't had to dabble with this in the last five years. My machine took the bad end of lightning. |
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| 00:24.23 | PinkFreud | only way I can boot the laptop with squeeze is to explicitly disable kms on boot. |
| 00:24.25 | cast | what's kms? |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman | cast: google ? |
| 00:24.46 | PinkFreud | cast: kernel modesetting. |
| 00:24.55 | devious | cast: Kernel Modesetting. Check google or the wiki. |
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| 00:25.03 | PinkFreud | a 'feature' (I prefer to call it a 'bug') in the new kernels. |
| 00:25.20 | cantido | SilentAnswers: For general purpose ext3. It's selected by default because it's a good default I guess |
| 00:25.36 | cantido | PinkFreud: it will get better |
| 00:25.58 | PinkFreud | cantido: eventually. The problem is that it's made things a huge mess right now. |
| 00:26.16 | PinkFreud | and with drivers like intel jumping over to it wholesale... |
| 00:26.21 | cantido | PinkFreud: I think everything in that area is working towards something that works well and is nice to look at, in the meantime it's going to all over the place |
| 00:26.24 | PinkFreud | shudders |
| 00:26.36 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: shouldn't be an issue on lenny |
| 00:26.40 | PinkFreud | it's a fiasco |
| 00:26.46 | cantido | well the intel drivers have been through 3 different types of acceleration too |
| 00:27.18 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: it's not. This stemmed from a discussion about squeeze, and the direction the radeon and intel drivers are taking. |
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| 00:27.21 | pipeline | PinkFreud: no you mistake my meaning - buy nvidia or intel, because ati is permanently a pain in the ass. |
| 00:27.39 | qwd | PinkFreud: what's wrong with kms? isn't that was makes the terminal look nice? |
| 00:27.56 | PinkFreud | pipeline: I like the fact that AMD is releasing enough specs to let the open source drivers take advantage of the 3d capabilities of the radeons |
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| 00:28.18 | PinkFreud | pipeline: the issue is that radeon is largely moving to support kms, which is an utter clusterf*ck right now |
| 00:28.45 | abrotman | just pushes everyone to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:28.46 | PinkFreud | which, coincidentally, is the problem with the intel driver. |
| 00:29.00 | PinkFreud | (not the one in lenny, thankfully) |
| 00:29.36 | PinkFreud | heh, yeah, this conversation has gone all over the place. |
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| 00:30.04 | cantido | does the qemu accelerator kernel module thing work without hardware support? |
| 00:30.19 | PinkFreud | cantido: the one for kvm? no, sadly. |
| 00:30.28 | cantido | no, the other one.. |
| 00:30.37 | cantido | kqemu |
| 00:30.39 | PinkFreud | other one? |
| 00:30.47 | PinkFreud | cantido: iirc, that's the one for kvm. |
| 00:30.51 | PinkFreud | kvm uses qemu. |
| 00:30.56 | jelly-home | kqemu, is that still supported? |
| 00:31.07 | cantido | PinkFreud: kqemu and kvm are different |
| 00:31.25 | cantido | jelly-home: dunno, I managed buy a machine without vt-x :/ |
| 00:31.31 | karsten | ...though cvm (and many other virtuaization tools) use bits from qemu. |
| 00:31.50 | jelly-home | cantido: quoth wikipedia, QEMU versions starting with 0.12.0 no longer support KQEMU |
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| 00:32.08 | PinkFreud | oh, right. kvm_intel |
| 00:32.10 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 00:32.10 | cantido | bah |
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| 00:32.17 | karsten | looks sideways at jelly-home |
| 00:32.34 | cantido | has been extracting a 17m,etar in a qemu for about 5 hours |
| 00:32.48 | cantido | s/m;e/meg / |
| 00:33.20 | jelly-home | cantido: might want to go with vbox or vmware-server instead |
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| 00:33.37 | karsten | jelly-home: Any idea why? |
| 00:33.44 | karsten | notes that lenny uses 0.98.1 |
| 00:33.49 | karsten | erm, 0.9.1 |
| 00:33.57 | jelly-home | karsten: because someone edited that page to say so? |
| 00:34.09 | cantido | jelly-home: virtualbox cant run openbsd guests without vt-x.. vmware-server might be worth a try |
| 00:34.33 | adb | cantido, vt-x ? |
| 00:34.47 | jelly-home | is google down? |
| 00:34.49 | cantido | adb: intels vm extensions.. I forget what amds is |
| 00:35.14 | adb | i see , thanks cantido |
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| 00:35.26 | jelly-home | people seem to be asking about all sorts of trivially findable material |
| 00:35.28 | SilentAnswers | Should I bother with a journalled fs on /tmp? |
| 00:35.36 | Bop | radeon_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/R300_cp.bin" |
| 00:35.37 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: yes. |
| 00:35.52 | Bop | anybody knows the name of the package containing this firmware ? |
| 00:35.55 | karsten | jelly-home: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2009-08/msg00478.html |
| 00:35.57 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: if you're going with separate /tmp, that is. |
| 00:36.05 | SilentAnswers | jelly-home, Really? Wouldn't have thought it would matter... Could you explain? |
| 00:36.06 | karsten | jelly-home: ... per the cited reference. Reading it now. |
| 00:36.26 | jelly-home | karsten: I'm qemu ignorant, and would prefer to stay that way. |
| 00:36.44 | karsten | jelly-home: Well, trivially findable and knowing the backstory are slightly different things. Was just asking if you knew. "No" is quite sufficient. |
| 00:37.22 | karsten | cantido: my understanding is that kqemu pusts some hooks into kernel space. Not as optimal as hadware support, better than userland space. |
| 00:37.27 | cantido | vmware seems to be to only fastish solution on hardware without support :/ |
| 00:37.30 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: if you want to have a separate /tmp filesystem, you probably have a reason |
| 00:37.53 | karsten | cantido: My understanding is that vritualbox is faster than kqemu. What OS are you trying to virtualize? |
| 00:38.12 | cantido | karsten: openbsd, segfaults all over the place without hardware vm support |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | they do different things |
| 00:38.30 | karsten | has been playing with XP under qemu and virtualbox lately, on Lenny. Unfortunately guest hangs under virtualbox making speed comparisons somewhat moot. |
| 00:38.46 | karsten | cantido: using what? qemu or virtualbox, or ... ? |
| 00:38.59 | SilentAnswers | jelly-home, Good security practice. Keeps someone from dding /dev/urandom to /tmp and filling the root fs, which if I recall, locks your system up fairly well. |
| 00:39.10 | karsten | cantido: FWIW: vmware is gratis though not Free Software. |
| 00:39.31 | SilentAnswers | Or am I going with five-year-old security practices? |
| 00:39.33 | cantido | karsten: with virtualbox when you first run an openbsd guest it tells me I dont have hardware vm support and that some oses need it.. the install then segfaults all over the place |
| 00:39.40 | cantido | karsten: seems its a known issue |
| 00:40.05 | jelly-home | SilentAnswers: so, a multiuser machine? That's a reason. Arguments for a journaling fs still stand even if it's /tmp. |
| 00:40.11 | cantido | karsten: vmware also sticks init scripts and stuff all over the place, so i wanted to try and avoid it |
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| 00:40.31 | SilentAnswers | jelly-home, OK! That's all I needed. Thanks! |
| 00:40.46 | cantido | karsten: qemu is working but is painfully slow |
| 00:40.59 | jelly-home | like I said, if you have to ask... juse ext3. |
| 00:41.18 | jelly-home | how did that j get there. |
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| 00:41.56 | abrotman | because you were going to say 'just use' :) |
| 00:42.05 | karsten | cantido: with or without kqemu? |
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| 00:42.31 | cantido | karsten: kqemu isn't supported anymore it seems. I think isn't still in debian though.. might have a go |
| 00:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would filling the root-fs "lock up the machine fairly well"? The only problems I see are with the stuff in /var (logs, mail) |
| 00:43.06 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: also /tmp |
| 00:43.27 | PinkFreud | processes not being able to write to temporary files will cause all sorts of havoc |
| 00:43.29 | karsten | cantido: you could use qemu through 0.11. Lenny is running 0.9 (what I'm using). |
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| 00:43.55 | cantido | .12 here |
| 00:44.15 | karsten | SilentAnswers: seperate /tmp also allows using a tmpfs, and mounting nodev & nosuid, diverting classes of security attacks. |
| 00:44.28 | karsten | cantido: pinning may work for you. |
| 00:44.42 | jelly-home | karsten: and noexec, breaking dpkg in the process |
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| 00:44.57 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, the condition was that filling up /tmp fills up / if it's not on separate partitions |
| 00:45.26 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: except it doesn't fill it up unless one is already root |
| 00:45.27 | karsten | jelly-home: In /tmp? |
| 00:45.32 | jelly-home | karsten: yes |
| 00:45.41 | karsten | jelly-home: ...and I didn't say noexec. I said nodev and nosuid. |
| 00:45.46 | jelly-home | I did. |
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| 00:46.18 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed |
| 00:46.22 | karsten | jelly-home: You can get around that with pre/post dpkg hooksdoing a mount -o remount,exec & mount -o remount,noexec. |
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| 00:47.04 | jelly-home | karsten: that's insecure! |
| 00:47.06 | karsten | cantido: kvm looks like it's an option but also relies on qemu therefor hitting the same kqemu issue. |
| 00:47.26 | cantido | karsten: kvm requires hardware support |
| 00:47.34 | karsten | s on kqemu. |
| 00:48.01 | jelly-home | karsten: I'm just trying to mock the nodev,nosuid /tmp. There are lots of other world writable places for scripts to put their binaries into, if they got root. |
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| 00:48.47 | karsten | jelly-home: Keeping them from getting root is one of the keys. And in the case of automated attacks, thwarting the attacker's base assumptions is helpful. |
| 00:48.56 | karsten | jelly-home: Principle of least privilege, tool. |
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| 00:50.32 | jelly-home | haven't seen a kiddie script in years... I'd assume they'd be written a bit smarter by now |
| 00:51.50 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: depends. there's a crapload of automated scans. |
| 00:52.05 | PinkFreud | ssh, vulnerabilities in web apps, etc. |
| 00:52.28 | jelly-home | I've seen those. |
| 00:52.32 | PinkFreud | many tend to come from kiddies who only want to turn your box into a fileserver. |
| 00:52.43 | cantido | still gets woot thingies in access logs.. |
| 00:52.49 | PinkFreud | others are associated with spammers. |
| 00:53.02 | PinkFreud | cantido: yep. |
| 00:53.03 | abrotman_ | just pushes everyone to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:53.17 | PinkFreud | abrotman: meanie. I don't love you anymore. |
| 00:53.25 | PinkFreud | (you said I was loose) |
| 00:55.45 | karsten | SilentAnswers: tmpfs is useful if you wan performance and don't wan to thave to wrry about initializing/clearing /tmp after reboots. On te other hand, VMM and disk caching should take care of most of the performance issues (where you put stuff is somewhat moot -- it's either cached (in memory) or swapped (to disk) depending on access needs, anyway). IMO. |
| 00:56.30 | karsten | SilentAnswers: If your security policy says that "no data should be accessible on /tmp following a reboot", or "data on /tmp should be recoverable if necessary following a reboot", you've got clearer guidance to go one way or the other. |
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| 00:57.59 | karsten | cantido: BSD should run under Xen, and quickly even without hardware support, though you'll need to recompile the BSD guest kernel. |
| 00:58.32 | cantido | karsten: I don't need to run it long enough to warrant setting up xen thankfully |
| 00:59.20 | karsten | OK. |
| 00:59.22 | karsten | cantido: There's always the ultimate hardware support option: getting real hardware to run BSD on ;-) |
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| 00:59.57 | cantido | karsten: yeah, I'm working on a pf setup in a vm and then I'll move it to the real hardware when I go and get it from work |
| 01:00.19 | karsten | Ah. |
| 01:00.22 | cantido | karsten: having it a vm is handy for see what its doing too |
| 01:00.28 | cantido | s/see/seeing |
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| 01:03.23 | jelly-home | cantido: expression #1, char 12: unterminated `s' command |
| 01:04.06 | cantido | s#seeing#seeing/# |
| 01:06.44 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 01:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, only with extN |
| 01:07.17 | jelly-home | ah, dpkg persists in its absence |
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| 01:15.20 | aarcane | PinkFreud, I love your nick. |
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| 01:21.03 | PinkFreud | aarcane: thank you |
| 01:21.21 | PinkFreud | bleh. I don't suppose there's any plans in the works for a lenny and a half, is there? |
| 01:21.38 | aarcane | PinkFreud, debian 6 is on it's way. |
| 01:21.38 | PinkFreud | feels so dirty, installing that, uh, other distribution. |
| 01:21.49 | aarcane | PinkFreud, there's always backports. |
| 01:21.56 | PinkFreud | aarcane: not near enough. I don't think it's frozen yet. |
| 01:22.03 | PinkFreud | aarcane: argh. you missed that whole conversation. |
| 01:22.09 | aarcane | PinkFreud, that I did. |
| 01:22.23 | aarcane | PinkFreud, server, desktop, or laptop ? |
| 01:22.27 | PinkFreud | suffice it to say, I was using backports. :) |
| 01:22.31 | PinkFreud | desktop. |
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| 01:22.57 | aarcane | yeah.. ubuntu lts >,.,< I don't envy you. |
| 01:23.23 | sernin_ | So anyone have experience with using runit-run to replace init(1), and also fgetty? It seems as if the fgetty/checkpassword combination is still broken. |
| 01:23.23 | aarcane | PinkFreud, if you can wait 4 days, a new version will be available at least. |
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| 01:23.53 | abrotman | PinkFreud: there's a wiki page about it .. templated AFAICT |
| 01:24.25 | PinkFreud | aarcane: I think abrotman is sick of it at this point, so I'm not going to go into detail. the executive summary is that lenny is too old to support this hw (amd 785g, uses onboard radeon hd 4200), backports kernel 2.6.30 works except for an apparent race condition at boot, and 2.6.32 is too new for fglrx to work on. |
| 01:24.41 | PinkFreud | aarcane: a new version of what? |
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| 01:26.02 | aarcane | PinkFreud, that other distro's lts release. |
| 01:26.15 | PinkFreud | aarcane: not using lts, either. using the current release. |
| 01:26.24 | PinkFreud | oh, right. |
| 01:26.58 | PinkFreud | might be a good idea, but I'm not sure I want to. that other distribution has a history of buggy releases, which means I'd want to wait a bit for things to calm down :P |
| 01:27.18 | aarcane | PinkFreud, desktops don't need to deal with changing environments, so using an lts is wise, whereas the world around a laptop is in a constant state of flux.. |
| 01:27.23 | PinkFreud | besides, I already have a netboot installer set up for the current release. :) |
| 01:28.02 | PinkFreud | aarcane: I figure I'll go with what I currently have, and when an upgrade is eventually needed, I'll see where debian stands. |
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| 01:28.05 | aarcane | PinkFreud, I wish debian 6 was here. (I hate named releases btw. never can remember them) so that I wouldn't need to use backports and 3rd party repos for my router. |
| 01:28.11 | PinkFreud | I'd really rather run debian on this box. |
| 01:28.24 | aarcane | PinkFreud, you could upgrade to nvidia graphics. |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | that's not an upgrade |
| 01:28.39 | PinkFreud | I hate nvidia with a passion |
| 01:28.41 | aarcane | PinkFreud, save you lots of pain in the long run, and buy you an overall better experience. |
| 01:28.43 | PinkFreud | abrotman: agreed :/ |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | binary crap is still binary crap |
| 01:29.12 | aarcane | anyone who hates nvidia more than ATI has obviously not been using ATI for very long. |
| 01:29.13 | PinkFreud | aarcane: I think when the whole mess with kms dies down, the radeon driver should have pretty decent 3d support. |
| 01:29.22 | cads | !info vmware |
| 01:29.26 | cads | err |
| 01:29.29 | cads | that's not the command.. |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | cads: and not a package ? |
| 01:29.39 | PinkFreud | hell, the only reason I went with fglrx was because lenny's X.org radeon driver didn't know about the 4200 |
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| 01:30.04 | cads | abrotman: I'm trying to install the vm-ware tools. However, there is a build error during the install. |
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| 01:30.19 | aarcane | cads, that's normal, just leave it. |
| 01:30.27 | PinkFreud | at least that other distro has a working radeon driver. I'm hoping to hell that I don't need to go back to fglrx. That's a pain I'd rather avoid. |
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| 01:30.36 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 01:30.46 | cads | aarcane: oh yeah? |
| 01:30.59 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 01:31.03 | aarcane | PinkFreud, have you tried picking up a dead badger and running voodo-linux ? |
| 01:31.05 | cads | What about the open-vm-tools package? |
| 01:31.58 | cads | that installed correctly but I can't tell a difference (I'm only looking for clibboard sharing or drag and drop support) |
| 01:31.58 | PinkFreud | aarcane: I did. Unfortunately, voodoo linux hasn't been updated for years, and the badger is too new. |
| 01:32.02 | PinkFreud | :P |
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| 01:32.38 | aarcane | PinkFreud, easy fix there, leave it out in the sun for a day or two, it'll old right up. |
| 01:32.44 | PinkFreud | lol |
| 01:33.01 | PinkFreud | yeah, but the *smell*... |
| 01:33.25 | aarcane | PinkFreud, funny thing is, the problem you're having now is why I haven't used debian for years... I'm finally migrating my router back to debian from archlinux because I can't keep up with the rolling nightmare system |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | PinkFreud: aarcane #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:36.18 | aarcane | abrotman, are you a channel admin, or just a user? either way, I'll go if PinkFreud cares to go. |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | Does it really matter? you're not really talking about Debian |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | and it's been going on for hours |
| 01:37.01 | aarcane | I just brought everything back full circle to debian. |
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| 01:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the mention of the word "debian" does not actually automagically bring you back on topic, though |
| 01:38.42 | amartinenco | hi i have a question, for some reason when i am purposly trying to do bad ssh login attempts, the errors do not get saved in /var/log/messages, is there some other file that saves them in debian 5? |
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| 01:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's auth.log |
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| 01:41.04 | amartinenco | thank you |
| 01:41.07 | amartinenco | i got it |
| 01:41.21 | aarcane | does debian have good support for rsyslogd ? |
| 01:41.38 | PinkFreud | aarcane: iirc, lenny uses that by default. |
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| 01:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought I had log entries in messages too, though - but my current messages files(s) are blissfully void of any |
| 01:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he's gorn |
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| 01:49.15 | Sier | Hello, I have 2x IBM x335 Servers. They have 2x Xeon CPUs.. what would be the right Debian version to download? |
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| 01:49.57 | abrotman | Sier: i htink i386, i don't think those are 64bit |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | depends how old they are |
| 01:50.05 | Arrowmaster | 32bit or 64bit Xeons? |
| 01:50.43 | Sier | Not sure.. they were made @ around 2003-2004.. so I would say 32bit? |
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| 01:51.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah if they were P4 era Xeons they would be 32bit |
| 01:51.45 | Sier | so Intel x86 is the way to go, correcT? |
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| 01:52.01 | pinoyoragon | Hello. How do I make the 'passwd' command change also the passwd for the ldap server? |
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| 01:52.19 | Arrowmaster | i386 version yeah, although the kernel package would be 686 |
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| 01:53.48 | Sier | thanks Arrowmaster and abrotman |
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| 01:55.23 | abrotman_ | Sier: i think i have the same systems at work .. i don't recall them being 64bit |
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| 02:05.02 | fas3r | i try to use dkim to sign mail. but in syslog i see : Apr 26 03:48:23 localhost dkim-filter[18408]: 7186644010C: no signature data ... any idea |
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| 02:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read /usr/share/doc/dkim-filter/README.Debian.gz and "man dkim-filter.conf" possibly also man "dkim-genkey" and "man dkim-testkey" |
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| 02:15.11 | fas3r | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
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| 02:19.36 | HuNt3r | hi, anyone konow, how can i uncache RAM? |
| 02:19.56 | HuNt3r | just clean cached... |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | HuNt3r: you don't need to .. the system will do it when it should |
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| 02:20.55 | HuNt3r | i konw... i use last time command, but forgat it :| |
| 02:21.40 | aarcane | HuNt3r, sudo swapoff -a; sudo swapon -a; or sync. depending on which you want. |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | that won't clear RAM |
| 02:22.56 | aarcane | abrotman, the only thing that will clear RAM is sudo shutdown -h now; both of those flush different caches that commonly need flushing. |
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| 02:23.11 | abrotman | aarcane: i'm aware of that .. your command won't do anything for him |
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| 02:26.45 | HuNt3r | hmy, that was something like: sync blala > blabla |
| 02:26.48 | HuNt3r | :P |
| 02:27.42 | aarcane | HuNt3r, try man sync |
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| 02:28.37 | abrotman | it still won't do what he's asking |
| 02:28.46 | HuNt3r | yea |
| 02:28.50 | HuNt3r | i find... |
| 02:28.53 | HuNt3r | sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | why do you keep telling him things that don't do what he wants ? |
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| 02:29.16 | HuNt3r | thx for help :* |
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| 02:29.50 | aarcane | abrotman, sorry. didn't mean to help him. |
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| 02:30.43 | crazypenguin | helloï¼how can i know how to let the text mode surport Chineseï¼ |
| 02:32.11 | fas3r | CutMeOwnThroat, ok i have found the problem |
| 02:32.29 | fas3r | i need to force the signature for unknow domain / unsign mail |
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| 02:37.21 | crazypenguin | or to ask how to let the console surport Chineseï¼ |
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| 02:40.00 | karsten | HuNt3r: Nice. |
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| 02:42.35 | karsten | HuNt3r: Not quite what the OP was looking for, but useful knowledge. |
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| 02:43.38 | Kobaz | so i'm trying to assemble a raid1 that's on gpt disks... parted -l will show the partitions on the gpt disklabel... but if i try and mdadm --assemble them, the partitions aren't found.. any ideas? |
| 02:43.58 | JordiGH | Why are we users expected to compile our own .debs if we want profiling libraries. |
| 02:44.14 | Lutorius | hello, new debian user here, I just installed the base+laptop on my system |
| 02:44.18 | karsten | aarcane: And yes, lenny supports rsyslog |
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| 02:44.54 | Lutorius | from you x-display-manager folks what do you like best? gdm? |
| 02:45.11 | aarcane | karsten, thank you. |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | Lutorius: are you going to use gnome? |
| 02:45.33 | Lutorius | abrotman, not sure, openbox is my window manager of choice |
| 02:45.35 | aarcane | Kobaz, any other partitions mounted on the volumes ? you can try partprobe |
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| 02:46.02 | abrotman | Lutorius: xdm/gdm/kdm are all fine choices .. but if you use mostly gnome apps, i'd say to use gdm |
| 02:46.20 | Kobaz | oh wait |
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| 02:46.34 | JordiGH | Is there no way to ship profiling symbols like we do with debugging symbols? |
| 02:46.45 | Kobaz | aarcane: partprobe sounds cool... i was using mdadm wrong... heh |
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| 02:46.59 | Lutorius | abrotman: do you know of any others? I know there is one more that's pretty fast and themable |
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| 02:47.10 | Lutorius | I can't remember the name though |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | slim ? |
| 02:47.47 | Lutorius | ah, yes, that's it |
| 02:48.26 | Arrowmaster | lxde which uses openbox now has its own lxdm but i dont think its been packaged in debian yet |
| 02:49.34 | Lutorius | I like using just openbox, not running gnome with it |
| 02:49.45 | Lutorius | but there are gnome apps that I like |
| 02:50.02 | crazypenguin | in redhat /etc/sysconfig/i18n this file ï¼can i find it in debianï¼ |
| 02:50.44 | aarcane | isn't lxde just xfce only 5 versions ago? |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.21 | Kobaz | how do i get the uuid of a disk |
| 02:53.47 | mIrKaT | thats a fine question in deed |
| 02:54.06 | Kobaz | yeap, i thought so |
| 02:54.26 | aarcane | Kobaz, blkid for the partition, not sure for the physical disk. |
| 02:54.56 | Kobaz | oh okay, it looks like grub uses the fs-uuid |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | Kobaz: it's in /dev/ but i can't remember where |
| 02:54.59 | mIrKaT | parted can tell you |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | like /dev/disk/disk-by-uuid or osmething |
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| 02:55.17 | NotInternat | ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 02:55.37 | Kobaz | k |
| 02:55.37 | NotInternat | although on mine tha tlooks like partitions not proper disks |
| 02:55.41 | Kobaz | bklid works too |
| 02:56.22 | mIrKaT | one good thing about linux is that one can never run out of commands to do the semathing |
| 02:56.30 | Kobaz | haha |
| 02:56.47 | aarcane | ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ will give you a list of UUIDs, and you can then see which physical device node they corrospond to, but blkid prints a nice list of device node, UUID, partition name, etc. |
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| 03:16.21 | Kobaz | aarcane: i found the problem |
| 03:16.29 | Kobaz | er |
| 03:16.30 | Kobaz | i mean |
| 03:16.41 | Kobaz | yeah it was you |
| 03:16.42 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 03:16.54 | aarcane | gee thanks. love to know I'm the problem. |
| 03:17.11 | Kobaz | i found the problem... i can't start my raid arrays unless i go into parted make a change, and quit |
| 03:17.45 | Kobaz | the kernel doesn't know about the extra partitions unless i do that |
| 03:17.56 | Kobaz | aarcane: heh, the problem wasn't you... |
| 03:18.53 | aarcane | Kobaz, the partitions should be re-read on boot or after a partprobe. if any partition is open (mounted) on a drive, partprobe will fail epically. |
| 03:19.14 | Kobaz | they arent mounted |
| 03:19.32 | Kobaz | well, they werent when i was trying to start the md arrays |
| 03:19.49 | Lutorius | so using tasksel install gnome-desktop will allow me to pick which software I want installed what not to install, correct? |
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| 03:20.18 | aarcane | Kobaz, is it working now ? |
| 03:20.29 | Kobaz | after going in and out of parted, and making a flag change |
| 03:20.29 | Kobaz | yea |
| 03:20.48 | Kobaz | next step is working on why init wont load |
| 03:20.53 | aarcane | good. |
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| 03:25.12 | smhar | anyone using approx with squeeze? |
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| 03:28.58 | Brookss | im on squeeze, nvr heard of approx |
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| 03:31.26 | adb | Kobaz, reinstall your kernel, it will redo a new initrd.img , using the new uuid (just try it) |
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| 03:33.07 | smhar | I am using kernel image: 2.6.32-trunk-686 as it seems the latest, but can not find the source and header packages for it |
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| 03:33.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.45 | adb | smhar, ^^ |
| 03:35.15 | wols_ | smhar: it is not the latest. several months old. use a recent one |
| 03:35.22 | Lutorius | why does tasksel download all the packages first |
| 03:35.30 | Lutorius | or did I do something wrong |
| 03:36.00 | adb | Lutorius, that's how apt works |
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| 03:36.08 | wols_ | Lutorius: what else should it do? it has to download the packages you selected to install before installing them... |
| 03:36.26 | smhar | wols_, I am using both: linux-image-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 but I only got: 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP |
| 03:36.37 | Lutorius | I thought it would allow me to select what to install first before downloading, to reduce time |
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| 03:37.30 | wols_ | smhar: this is wrong: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:38.04 | chunky | about to start a game of monopoly if anybody is interested in playing |
| 03:38.05 | wols_ | Lutorius: it does |
| 03:38.31 | wols_ | Lutorius: are you maybe seeing how it downloads package information first? |
| 03:39.06 | Lutorius | maybe |
| 03:39.33 | Egreg | Hey. If I paid someone here $100 to set up my server from scratch, to use NGINX + PHP + FastCGI (maybe php+fpm) ... would anyone be interested? The final PHP should have all the extensions, INCLUDING PDO |
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| 03:39.39 | Egreg | If so msg me |
| 03:39.44 | Egreg | It's on slicehost |
| 03:41.46 | Lutorius | now it's "preparing" several things, I still haven't seen a selection list |
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| 03:44.13 | Lutorius | now "configuring" things, still haven't seen a selection list |
| 03:44.57 | adb | Lutorius, reinstall , hope you'll see next time |
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| 03:46.54 | nsadmin | Egreg: I would not take a job that said "find all installable", but I might take one that said "here is the EXACT list of what is to be installed" |
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| 03:47.59 | nsadmin | if that list included all current modules, that's fine, as long as it's a list of actual items, and no item represents an unclear collection (such as "all modules") |
| 03:48.51 | aarcane | Egreg, your use of all modules seems to have arisen quite a stir. |
| 03:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | i bet he crossposted this on several channels, too |
| 03:49.35 | nsadmin | I just don't want to know "all modules" |
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| 03:50.21 | nsadmin | there would be a list, and once all items on that list have been installed, the job is done. |
| 03:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, sounds to me like "I don't want to pay the money hiering someone really costs" |
| 03:50.54 | Egreg | wel, I don't need all the modules but at least the normal ones |
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| 03:51.06 | nsadmin | then list them |
| 03:51.11 | Egreg | like PDO, pdo_mysql, pdo_postgres, and memcache |
| 03:51.24 | Egreg | json I believe is already baked into php core now |
| 03:51.53 | nsadmin | well I would assume that you would put that list in a file somewhere... you don't need to post a list here |
| 03:52.03 | Egreg | I need the following do be done for $100 basically: |
| 03:52.18 | nsadmin | oh, and phrases such as "like x, y, z" would be out |
| 03:52.36 | nsadmin | put it in a file |
| 03:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at #debian-offtopic |
| 03:53.38 | nsadmin | what OS is installed on the remote? |
| 03:53.38 | Egreg | Set up: NGINX, PHP + FastCGI, compiled with modules: PDO, PDO+MySQL, PDO+PostGres, MemCache, APC, and GZIP . |
| 03:53.49 | nsadmin | again, PUT IT IN A FILE |
| 03:53.50 | Egreg | And just make NGINX work with PHP properly. That's all. |
| 03:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at #debian-offtopic more loudly |
| 03:54.00 | Egreg | okay I will put it in a pastie.org and reference it |
| 03:54.03 | nsadmin | what part of that didn't you understand :) |
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| 03:55.02 | incredible | hi all |
| 03:55.03 | incredible | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.58 | aarcane | incredible, chsh |
| 03:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | chsh |
| 03:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 03:56.21 | incredible | but that is to be written in bashrc |
| 03:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfair, I was distracted at that moment |
| 03:56.32 | incredible | But since I want to do it for every user |
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| 03:56.36 | incredible | thats a cumbersome job |
| 03:56.49 | incredible | Isn't there an elegant solution? |
| 03:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said YOU log in to a remote host |
| 03:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you think again about the problem, then state it clearly |
| 03:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead of changing it over the next 5 times after each answer (which I've seen, I'm not making this up= |
| 03:58.56 | incredible | I meant any user logging into a server, that authenticates its user using LDAP server. I don't want to change LDAP default shell, as it has to be done only in some machine where as some other machine using the default shell of LDAP |
| 03:59.20 | nsadmin | incredible: yeah, that's what a paid client would be allowed to do (change requirements) so how much money you got |
| 04:00.08 | incredible | nsadmin: I haven't got any money. This is something I am doing in my college network |
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| 04:00.23 | aarcane | incredible, sudo cp /etc/passwd /tmp && sudo chmod 666 /tmp/passwd && cat /tmp/passwd | sed -e s:/bin/bash:/bin/newshell:g > /tmp/newpasswd && chmod 640 /tmp/newpasswd && cp /tmp/newpasswd /etc/passwd && chown root:shadow /etc/passwd |
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| 04:00.33 | nsadmin | oh, gotcha... |
| 04:00.59 | aarcane | oh, I missed the ldap stuff while typing. |
| 04:01.00 | incredible | aarcane: I am not using /etc/passwd. It's using LDAP server |
| 04:01.07 | Egreg | Thanks guys for contacting me by the way |
| 04:01.08 | Damascene | hello, were to ask about package translation? (dpkg) |
| 04:01.22 | Egreg | I am finishing up this tutorial and if I give up I am definitely paying someone here :) |
| 04:01.38 | aarcane | if the default .bashrc sources /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile, you can do some simple if logic, but that's awefully kludgy. |
| 04:02.29 | aarcane | alternatively, you could rm `which oldshell` and ln -s newshell oldshell |
| 04:02.42 | aarcane | but that's broken on update. |
| 04:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | SEE what I mean? |
| 04:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | now suddenly he mentions LDAP |
| 04:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | next thing, he'll say he really uses solaris |
| 04:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whatever |
| 04:03.22 | incredible | aarcane: linking it to an old shell would be bad for the same reason u mentioned |
| 04:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | windows 9 perhaps |
| 04:03.31 | nsadmin | incredible: seems you need to get clear on what you actually want, and put that information into a single file |
| 04:03.40 | NotInternat | s/file/line. |
| 04:03.58 | NotInternat | requirements document. kgo |
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| 04:05.06 | nsadmin | no, what I said is what I meant. one single FILE. |
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| 04:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then file it in the round filing basket on the floor |
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| 04:32.23 | bp0 | perl 5.12 in debian 6? |
| 04:32.26 | WormFood | does FireFox/IceWeasel seem to crash more frequently for you guys if you have a LOT of windows/tabs open? (I get a lot more frozen pages when I have a lot of tabs open) |
| 04:33.58 | WormFood | bp0, what is the name? I can't remember the name to the version numbers, and most people use the name when talking about debian releases |
| 04:34.15 | WormFood | uses squeeze and sid |
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| 04:36.26 | bp0 | next |
| 04:36.30 | SerajewelKS | 5 is lenny, so presumably 6 is squeeze (which hasn't been released yet) |
| 04:36.32 | bp0 | lenny+1 |
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| 04:36.58 | bp0 | will perl 5.12 be a part of squeeze |
| 04:37.22 | bp0 | lenny was about 15? months ago... |
| 04:37.37 | bp0 | how far away is 6? |
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| 04:38.43 | bp0 | no hurry i guess, lenny works fine |
| 04:38.48 | bp0 | just wondered about perl 5.12 |
| 04:38.54 | bp0 | and if it would be in the next one |
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| 04:42.53 | SerajewelKS | ok so some ISP blocked mail from my MTA because the reverse dns lookup didn't return a hostname containing "mail", "mx", or "smtp" |
| 04:43.03 | SerajewelKS | god i love moronic sysadmins. bite me. |
| 04:44.03 | aburch | bp0: It's not decided yet. |
| 04:45.03 | bp0 | good rule, imo |
| 04:45.28 | SerajewelKS | bp0: they didn't bother to check that "mail.mydomain" actually points to the same IP |
| 04:45.46 | aburch | bp0: Several packages do not work with the new perl version, see http://deb.li/uj2v |
| 04:46.25 | SerajewelKS | bp0: the box wears two hats; the more prominent hat is the web server. so of course rdns points to "www.mydomain" |
| 04:46.58 | bp0 | aburch, interesting |
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| 04:48.20 | bp0 | SerajewelKS, whats the downside to rdns returning mail. then? |
| 04:48.30 | SerajewelKS | bp0: also they apparently didn't check my SPF record whitelists that IP, so meh |
| 04:48.31 | aburch | bp0: Why should it? |
| 04:48.40 | aburch | It's rather stupid to expect something like that. |
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| 04:48.48 | SerajewelKS | bp0: what i pick for my rdns should have absolutely zero impact on mail deliverability |
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| 04:49.01 | SerajewelKS | bp0: they should really go with something a bit more sane, like, oh i dunno, SPF or spamassassin? |
| 04:49.16 | bp0 | its a mail server and a webserver... and there is this problem where your mail is being blacked, and ... no one ever checks that for web servers... so ... |
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| 04:49.32 | bp0 | ... or you could get all those moronic sysadmins to change, that sounds easier, you're right |
| 04:49.33 | bp0 | sorry |
| 04:49.39 | SerajewelKS | ok, that doesn't mean that their policy isn't stupid :) |
| 04:49.49 | bp0 | heh |
| 04:49.51 | bp0 | maybe |
| 04:49.58 | SerajewelKS | it's the first mail server i've seen reject mail for that reason |
| 04:50.11 | SerajewelKS | gmail, hotmail, yahoo... they all passed my initial deliverability tests |
| 04:50.27 | aburch | There are quite a lot of mailservers that are *not* named mail.foo or similar. |
| 04:51.04 | SerajewelKS | the trick is, i am connected to these people second-hand -- they are my dad's mail host |
| 04:51.12 | aburch | It's stupid to block those because it will block legitimate mails. |
| 04:51.24 | SerajewelKS | based on the stories that he has told me about using their customer support service, i should have expected this kind of rule |
| 04:51.35 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, you can use an ISP smtp relay. that'd solve your problem. |
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| 04:51.47 | bp0 | wait, your isp is blocking it |
| 04:51.52 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: this box is *the* MTA for my domain |
| 04:51.54 | bp0 | or the receiving one |
| 04:52.05 | SerajewelKS | bp0: the receiving MTA |
| 04:52.17 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, you can contact their contact. |
| 04:52.28 | SerajewelKS | bp0: my mail host is hosted on a paid-for VPS with a static IP, which comes back clean on every spam blacklist |
| 04:52.32 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: already did |
| 04:52.38 | nsadmin | and then suggest they get in contact? |
| 04:52.55 | SerajewelKS | they were at least kind enough to give a link to their blacklist removal request page... |
| 04:53.18 | SerajewelKS | left my email and cell number... we'll see what happens |
| 04:53.47 | SerajewelKS | bp0: so in other words, my ISP is a VPS host that doesn't really care wtf i do on my server as long as i don't piss other people off enough to complain |
| 04:53.57 | nsadmin | so your domain is on -someone-'s blacklist? |
| 04:54.22 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it's on this particular MTA's blacklist, implicitly (because of the reverse dns "mismatch") |
| 04:54.51 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it's clear by spamhaus et al |
| 04:55.05 | SerajewelKS | (the blacklists everyone else on the planet cares about, that is) |
| 04:55.35 | SerajewelKS | AFAICT this is the only host that has a problem with my mail server. as mentioned earlier, the major free mail hosts have no problem accepting mail from my MTA. |
| 04:56.22 | SerajewelKS | so it's not a huge deal, i just found their algorithm a little stupid and generally wtf :) |
| 04:56.59 | SerajewelKS | but what can you expect from people who choose exchange as a platform for over 10 grand email addresses |
| 04:57.30 | nsadmin | so in the prespam days, you had this cloud of MTAs, at first on machines that maybe a dialup user would have a general shell acct on, and that's how you'd get on the net... |
| 04:57.40 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, tried fixing your DNS ? |
| 04:57.52 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: that implies that my DNS is in some way broken |
| 04:58.16 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, tried modifying your dns entries so that they're up to this particular recipient's standards ? |
| 04:58.20 | SerajewelKS | i'm sure they will clear the IP, it's just a little bizarre |
| 04:58.31 | nsadmin | later, when lotsa linux boxes got in, you had one mta <-> one user |
| 04:58.34 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: i'm not about to appease what is ultimately a stupid rule :) |
| 04:58.59 | nsadmin | aarcane: why do that? that sounds like a mild form of extortion |
| 04:59.29 | nsadmin | what's to stop some other mail host from blocking for the opposite dns condition? |
| 04:59.51 | nsadmin | or not necessarily opposite, but somehow different |
| 04:59.52 | SerajewelKS | i'm sorry, but when my MTA's IP passes every major spam blacklist, and the SPF rule i set up approves the source IP, you have absolutely no reason to look at my reverse DNS and reject my mail. that's just beyond fucktarded. |
| 05:00.51 | nsadmin | is it the only possible route for your mail? or is it the edge MTA for a net where your recipient is? |
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| 05:01.15 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it looks like the edge MTA. i could relay through gmail or something, but that would not pass my SPF. |
| 05:01.40 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it's not a high-priority message, i'll just let it sit in postfix's deferred queue until they contact me tomorrow |
| 05:01.59 | nsadmin | could you update your spf to say gmail is ok and then use the relay? |
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| 05:02.25 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: i sure could. but the whole point of this rig is to migrate away from gmail. :) |
| 05:02.40 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: like i said, it's not a huge issue currently. it'll get resolved, as these things do. |
| 05:02.47 | nsadmin | it looks like the blocker isn't looking at spf anyway |
| 05:03.07 | SerajewelKS | i just wanted some smart people to appreciate the asininity of the situation :) |
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| 05:03.37 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: not necessarily -- nothing indicates that they don't also look at SPF in addition to my reverse DNS. but i have a hunch they don't. |
| 05:03.40 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, mission accomplished :) |
| 05:03.44 | nsadmin | oh, and as we all know (remember, today is Sunday) this is a damn fine smart people's club! |
| 05:03.56 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: oops, right :X (though technically it's monday here) |
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| 05:04.10 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, oh, happy east coast :) |
| 05:04.32 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: not east coast actually, though i share a timezone with them :) |
| 05:04.38 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: but thanks :) |
| 05:04.58 | Sufrostico | hello, anyone got an System76 Starling netbook??? |
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| 05:05.25 | SerajewelKS | oh, how i do love the open-ended meta-questions! |
| 05:05.31 | nsadmin | Sufrostico: let me guess... your cousin in a country 15000 km away? |
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| 05:05.45 | Sufrostico | nsadmin ? what ? |
| 05:05.55 | SerajewelKS | Sufrostico: no, but i have a can of soda? is that similar? |
| 05:06.04 | rumpsy | out of topic ;) |
| 05:06.21 | SerajewelKS | Sufrostico: see, you get stupid answers when you ask stupid questions :) |
| 05:06.25 | Sufrostico | a can of soda... I could use that... |
| 05:06.38 | SerajewelKS | ~anyone |
| 05:06.39 | apt | i guess anyone is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, try the project's IRC channel, likely on this server as well. |
| 05:06.45 | nsadmin | I'd clean my battery contacts with that... |
| 05:06.54 | SerajewelKS | mmm, apt apparently has factoid fail |
| 05:07.18 | SerajewelKS | Sufrostico: how about you ask your real question instead of asking meta-questions. then we might be able to provide answers that are useful to you. |
| 05:07.28 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 05:07.29 | Tommy_DO | is it possible to determine when any package has been installed/removed via apt? |
| 05:07.37 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: dpkg is gone, already checked :( |
| 05:07.42 | nsadmin | ~sicco |
| 05:07.43 | apt | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 05:07.59 | Sufrostico | SerajewelKS: ok... been less selfish... i got it |
| 05:08.07 | streuner | Tommy_DO: via dpkg.log |
| 05:08.12 | aburch | Tommy_DO: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:08.26 | SerajewelKS | in general, asking if somebody uses something is not a question that we can answer in a useful manner |
| 05:08.41 | Tommy_DO | streuner, aburch: thank you |
| 05:08.56 | SerajewelKS | at any rate, it's bedtime. night everyone! |
| 05:10.41 | Sufrostico | ok... second try... |
| 05:10.47 | aarcane | bye SerajewelKS, good luck with mail |
| 05:11.10 | nsadmin | better luck with femail |
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| 05:12.02 | Sufrostico | Anyone knows how to get working a ''Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter'' at a decent distances from wireless router ? |
| 05:12.49 | aarcane | Sufrostico, updated drivers (from backports?) or replace it with an SR71 from ubnt |
| 05:12.54 | nsadmin | "decent distances" is physics of electromagnetics and propigation |
| 05:13.03 | nsadmin | you will have to deal with that port |
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| 05:13.19 | nsadmin | Sufrostico: history? |
| 05:13.24 | Sufrostico | aarcane: backports? |
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| 05:14.12 | streuner | apt, backports |
| 05:14.13 | apt | i heard backports is http://www.backports.org |
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| 05:14.30 | Sufrostico | i bought a netbook... a System76 Starling that comes with ubuntu |
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| 05:15.10 | nsadmin | will/did you overwrite it with debian? |
| 05:15.22 | Sufrostico | I install Debian and every thing is working... |
| 05:15.38 | Sufrostico | but I can't connect to wireless if the signal is under 90% |
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| 05:16.23 | Sufrostico | sometimes i have to put the netbook at less than 2 o 3 meters away from the router |
| 05:16.30 | Sufrostico | (wireless router) |
| 05:17.01 | Sufrostico | by the way, I'm running 'Debian Sid' |
| 05:17.02 | nsadmin | does it also have a wired eth port? |
| 05:17.13 | Sufrostico | nsadmin: yep |
| 05:17.24 | nsadmin | sid may or may not be supported here and now |
| 05:17.27 | nsadmin | just so you know |
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| 05:17.46 | Sufrostico | oks |
| 05:17.47 | nsadmin | having said that... |
| 05:18.00 | nsadmin | how did you get the device string? |
| 05:18.16 | Sufrostico | lsusb |
| 05:18.20 | simonrvn | %backports |
| 05:18.22 | ravenbird | see backport |
| 05:18.25 | simonrvn | %backport |
| 05:18.26 | ravenbird | a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:18.52 | nsadmin | simon: seems there isn't newer, unless it's in experiemental |
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| 05:19.21 | streuner | apt, backport |
| 05:19.22 | apt | i heard backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 05:19.30 | streuner | hm |
| 05:19.40 | simonrvn | streuner: see -ot |
| 05:20.10 | nsadmin | backpot?! |
| 05:20.48 | streuner | nsadmin: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:20.58 | rumpsy | ^_ |
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| 05:25.01 | Ryan52 | is there any music player program that allows you to have a library of songs, and then you add songs to a queue that it plays? so like you choose an order as you go. |
| 05:25.53 | nsadmin | I've never heard of exactly that... but I'll assure you, linux is plenty powerful enough to let you build one |
| 05:26.04 | Ryan52 | but anything similar? |
| 05:26.24 | pat5star | Ryan52: Amarok? |
| 05:26.48 | nsadmin | the only thing similar I can think of would only qualify under "is there any music player program" |
| 05:27.01 | Ryan52 | IIRC when my friend had his internet radio, he was using a program that let him do it, and he was using mostly free software (tho on windows). |
| 05:27.11 | Ryan52 | pat5star: it lets you have a queue? |
| 05:27.32 | nsadmin | you could try building one |
| 05:27.45 | Sufrostico | if Ryan52.. if you like the terminal a.k.a CLI... cmus its a good option |
| 05:27.45 | pat5star | Ryan52: if you mean playlist, yes...I'm not sure if I understand correctly |
| 05:28.29 | Ryan52 | nsadmin: I know. problem is I don't have the time. I'm actually a professional (well, part time) programmer, and a Debian Developer. tho not enough free time. :P |
| 05:28.34 | nsadmin | the way I think it would work, is you drop a song in the spool dir, it plays it eventually and then moves it to another dir |
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| 05:29.16 | simonrvn | i thought rhythmbox or banshee did that sort of thing. |
| 05:29.40 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks for the recommendations, I'll look at them. |
| 05:30.08 | nsadmin | Ryan52, I would think you could build at least the dirs and short shell scripts in about 10 mins or so |
| 05:30.12 | pat5star | Ryan52: With Amarok, you can move songs to your playlist while it's playing, reorder them, add/remove, etc. and it just keeps playing...is that what you're looking for? |
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| 05:31.57 | Ryan52 | nsadmin: I need a GUI. weak, I know, but for music, I like GUIs. some times when I want music, I'm not capable of using the command line. =P |
| 05:32.18 | nsadmin | why? you're a dd forgawdsake... |
| 05:32.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:33.39 | nsadmin | anyway you have several suggestions ya lazy bum :) (oh wait, but laziness is one of the three major programming tenets...) |
| 05:33.59 | Ryan52 | hah |
| 05:35.35 | nsadmin | get one of them dj programs for laptops... |
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| 05:36.12 | Ryan52 | what is it? |
| 05:36.30 | nsadmin | I saw them at Medjool and Temple |
| 05:37.09 | nsadmin | both multilevel dance clubs |
| 05:37.52 | simonrvn | buddy of mine has one of those for his netbook |
| 05:38.16 | simonrvn | (could've been a small laptop) |
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| 05:40.50 | Sufrostico | my bedtime has come also... good night. |
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| 05:53.41 | Ryan52 | amarok just goes through my music...it's kinda freakin me out. it doesn't play it, just goes from one song to the next. |
| 05:53.54 | Ryan52 | but otherwise looks to do what I wanted. thanks! :P |
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| 05:56.29 | nsadmin | that |
| 05:56.49 | nsadmin | is the part I would have had you build... just the part that goes thru |
| 05:57.01 | nsadmin | then you add any player to tht |
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| 07:12.09 | sernin | Anyone have any idea which library is linked as -lmisc? |
| 07:12.33 | sernin | Google is ... uninformative, which is probably a bad sign |
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| 07:13.26 | sernin | and no packages that have anything to do with 'libmisc' in unstable/testing/stable. |
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| 08:30.38 | babilen | tuv: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:31.04 | babilen | tuv: It might help if you paste the error to a pastebin, so others can take a look as well |
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| 08:36.50 | man8 | hi |
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| 08:42.47 | tvstebut | Hello |
| 08:43.06 | ethanol | guys, does the nfs-kernel-server package require a specific kernel? |
| 08:43.59 | babilen | no |
| 08:44.16 | babilen | (i.e. should work with the stock kernel) |
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| 08:44.18 | ethanol | weird, when I install it I get: |
| 08:44.19 | ethanol | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. (warning). |
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| 08:45.01 | babilen | are you using the stock kernel? |
| 08:45.03 | ethanol | uname: Linux wssn 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 #1 SMP Wed Mar 17 14:31:18 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:45.31 | ethanol | lenny backports kernel |
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| 08:50.22 | ethanol | guess I'll have to use a userspace nfs server. which is recommended then? unfs3 or nfs-user-server? |
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| 08:51.10 | babilen | ,version nfs-kernel-server |
| 08:51.15 | babilen | ,versions nfs-kernel-server |
| 08:51.17 | judd | nfs-kernel-server -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
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| 08:52.05 | babilen | dpkg? |
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| 08:55.27 | babilen | ethanol: #561674. |
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| 08:57.51 | babilen | ethanol: You could try to backport nfs-common from sid - /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:04.27 | Finkregh | hi, i am building a .deb for internal use. i want to add some aliases/... to the bashrc. what would be the most debianised way to do that? there is no /etc/bash.bashrc.d as far as i can see ;) |
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| 09:05.15 | fasta | How can I mirror a website in the fastest possible way? wget does only one request at a time. |
| 09:05.45 | tarzeau | fasta: and that's fine |
| 09:05.55 | tarzeau | fasta: sometimes lftp works fine... |
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| 09:07.26 | Worf | Finkregh: good question. i can't tell you how, but i can tell you a package that does so. have a look at grml-etc-core ( grml.org , git.grml.org for the source ) |
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| 09:10.11 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 09:10.54 | MaxFrames | I am trying to remove some unneeded packages with Synaptic (I am using Lenny), and I am having a problem |
| 09:11.24 | babilen | MaxFrames: What is that problem? |
| 09:11.34 | MaxFrames | if I mark a non-essential package (namely, Cheese) for uninstall, I am prompted about the removal of gnome! |
| 09:11.59 | ethanol | babilen: meh I went with unfs3 |
| 09:12.00 | MaxFrames | it wants to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment along with cheese!" |
| 09:12.25 | MaxFrames | I am worried that if I choose OK it will remove the whole gnome |
| 09:12.27 | babilen | MaxFrames: Yes, you have the "gnome" meta package installed. The easiest way is to install a gnome meta package that does not depend on cheese and "aptitude unmarkauto" all other packages you want to keep |
| 09:12.31 | babilen | %install gnome |
| 09:12.32 | ravenbird | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 09:13.20 | babilen | MaxFrames: I would start with installing either "gnome-desktop-environment" or "gnome-core" and "aptitude unmarkauto <pkg>" all packages you want to keep as well |
| 09:13.48 | MaxFrames | ok, let me digest these infos for a while (I'm newbie) |
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| 09:14.56 | MaxFrames | since synaptic is asking me if I want to remove "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment", I assume I already have both, don't I? |
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| 09:16.34 | babilen | MaxFrames: Ok, I'll explain it to you. You have Gnome installed with the help of a meta package. Meta packages do not provide any programs themselves but just depend on other packages. (think of them as tasks) .. The "gnome" meta package depends on cheese (it is the meta package that depends on the highest number of packages) .. So if you remove cheese the dependencies of the gnome metapackage are broken and the package manager wants to remove ... |
| 09:16.40 | babilen | ... the gnome metapackage (and therefore all it's *other* dependencies as well) |
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| 09:17.34 | babilen | MaxFrames: Yes, gnome-desktop-environment might already be installed, but it is marked as automatically installed and will be removed once the package that depends on it ("gnome") is removed |
| 09:17.46 | dubphil | Hello, I was trying to inbstall hp-health on an HP server but it fails to start so I want to remove it but when I run dpkg -r hp-health : it says "invoke-rc.d: initscript hp-health, action "start" failed.", how can I force the remove then ? |
| 09:18.56 | Finkregh | @Worf thx, good idea :D |
| 09:19.00 | babilen | MaxFrames: You have to tell the package manager that a bunch of packages are *not* automatically installed. I don't us synaptic s i can't guide you with that, but the commands with aptitude would be something like "aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core" or "aptitude unmarkauto gnome-desktop-environment" - you would do that for *all* packages that you want to keep |
| 09:19.48 | Worf | Finkregh: dpkg-divert in preinst looks interesting ... |
| 09:20.48 | MaxFrames | so, starting from the current situation, do I just have to give that "unmarkauto" command to solve the issue? |
| 09:22.48 | babilen | MaxFrames: You can do "aptitude unmarkauto <pkg>" for all installed packages that you want to keep ... gnome-desktop-environment depends on cheese, so you need a smaller metapackage. I would install/unmarkauto (depends if it is installed or not) gnome-core and then run "aptitude remove cheese" - check the list of packages that will be removed and unmarkauto them ... |
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| 09:23.14 | MaxFrames | ok, understood |
| 09:23.25 | CaBa | i have a lenny kvm host + lenny guests and the guests die frequently without leaving any note... are there any known issues in that direction? |
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| 09:24.09 | CaBa | i have been able to reproduce the freeze by sending zeros from another machine to a guest via netcat, so there might be an issue with the virtio_net driver? |
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| 09:28.19 | edgars | yo! |
| 09:28.56 | babilen | MaxFrames: If you need help, paste the output of "aptitude remove cheese" and let us have a look |
| 09:29.21 | fireba11 | hi, i need a local DNS server for development purposes. it should be simple to setup, what should i use? (i know how to use bind, but it's way overkill here ...) |
| 09:29.39 | Vmanz | bind |
| 09:29.54 | edgars | question is more apache related, but chan is under +m, so, how can i catch from which web some bastards is sending via some shitty unprotected forms |
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| 09:30.16 | CaBa | edgars: the apache webserver channel is #httpd |
| 09:30.31 | MaxFrames | babilen: the output would be in Italian language |
| 09:30.40 | edgars | CaBa: are you sure? :> |
| 09:30.46 | babilen | %localized errors |
| 09:30.47 | ravenbird | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 09:30.48 | Finkregh | @Worf i'll give you some feedback later on, thx :) |
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| 09:30.58 | CaBa | edgars: yes. |
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| 09:31.17 | babilen | MaxFrames: Ciao! Just run "LANG=C aptitude remove cheese" then :) |
| 09:31.29 | MaxFrames | ok.... hang on |
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| 09:32.15 | babilen | MaxFrames: And just to ease our life - run "aptitude install gnome-core" before that :) |
| 09:33.12 | dubphil | I'm unable to fix the error of a package during its installation, how can I force to remove it ? |
| 09:33.49 | babilen | dubphil: Please provide the complete output ... |
| 09:33.54 | MaxFrames | gosh... I cannot copy the terminal output :/ |
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| 09:34.38 | babilen | MaxFrames: Install "pastebinit" and run "LANG=C aptitude remove cheese|pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" and give us the resulting URL |
| 09:34.42 | MaxFrames | I am connected via xrdp to a fluxbox session, that might me the problem |
| 09:35.13 | dubphil | babilen: it is in french and I really don't need this package for the moment, I just want to remove it and use aptitude like before |
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| 09:35.49 | babilen | dubphil: That is a serious bug and I would like to take a look. Which package is that? |
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| 09:36.47 | babilen | dubphil: Take a look at the dpkg manpage and the "force" options .. But if you are running into a problem in the postrm step you reall want to clean that up and report the bug |
| 09:36.53 | dubphil | babilen: http://pastebin.com/VxKQZ0NJ |
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| 09:38.14 | babilen | dubphil: Well, that package is not really supported in here and you might have learned something about third-party debs ;) - but to solve your issue, read the dpkg manpage and give some "force" options .. |
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| 09:39.46 | dubphil | babilen: ok I have already read it , give a second look then, thanks |
| 09:40.22 | babilen | dubphil: Or you might want to fix the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ to do what you want, so it can be removed .. (a hack would be to just write "exit 0" in the script) |
| 09:41.02 | babilen | dubphil: Or prerm if that is the problem (i guess it is because the script tries to shut down the service) |
| 09:41.11 | dubphil | babilen, ah yes good idea, thanks ! |
| 09:41.44 | babilen | dubphil: Good luck - and you might want to complain with HP for providing shitty packages :) |
| 09:41.56 | dubphil | of course ;) |
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| 09:46.17 | MaxFrames | babilen: if I give that command (with|pastebinit...) I get no output, just blinking cursor |
| 09:46.59 | babilen | oh, i guess that aptitude is waiting for inut then ... sorry, should have known that :-\ |
| 09:47.06 | MaxFrames | it is indeed |
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| 09:47.12 | babilen | the y/n :) |
| 09:47.23 | MaxFrames | in short anyway, it says that gnome-desktop environment is CORRUPT |
| 09:47.30 | babilen | huh? |
| 09:47.35 | babilen | CORRUPT? |
| 09:47.38 | babilen | that is the output? |
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| 09:47.47 | MaxFrames | no sorry |
| 09:47.49 | MaxFrames | BROKEN |
| 09:47.52 | babilen | Not something like "gnome-desktop-environment" is broken? |
| 09:48.04 | MaxFrames | yes |
| 09:48.14 | babilen | yeah, it is broken because one of its dependencies will be removed (cheese) |
| 09:48.20 | babilen | which is what you want ... |
| 09:48.25 | MaxFrames | indeed |
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| 09:48.53 | MaxFrames | the "solution" it proposes is to uninstall gnome and gnome-desktop-environment and it asks me if I accept this solution :D |
| 09:48.56 | babilen | so gnome-desktop-environment will be removed as well and with it all of its dependencies (which results in a chain reaction that removes Gnome completely) |
| 09:49.08 | albondi | is away: I'm busy |
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| 11:12.33 | g00se | Is it possible to get aptitude to download through an ssh tunnel? |
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| 11:14.19 | jelly | g00se: is it possible to use that tunnel as a http proxy? |
| 11:14.23 | S1kx | wols_: do you happen to know where i can get glibc-2.2.5 or which files i need to copy from a system that has it and how to link against it on a system that actually has another version? |
| 11:14.41 | S1kx | need to compile something with it but the machine that has it on it doesnt have a compiler so i need to copy glibc over |
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| 11:15.25 | jelly | S1kx: that's an 8-9 years old version of C library. What are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 11:15.34 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:15.38 | jelly | %ask |
| 11:15.40 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian- (1 more message) |
| 11:15.48 | jelly | %more |
| 11:15.49 | ravenbird | jelly: user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:15.52 | S1kx | i've already discussed the issue here and got told i need to link it against that libc version |
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| 11:16.09 | S1kx | i need to compile a program for this old ass router that only has 40mb space and doesnt have a compiler |
| 11:16.15 | g00se | jelly: Yes. SOrry - i should have stated that's what i'd be doing anyway |
| 11:16.24 | jelly | my apologies, I do not see any lines of yours in the backlog, S1kx |
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| 11:16.33 | S1kx | its ok its been days ago :P |
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| 11:17.18 | icebrain | ravenbird: |
| 11:17.21 | icebrain | ravenbird? |
| 11:18.23 | jelly | g00se: aptitude honors http_proxy env.variable, export http_proxy=http://localhost:portnumber/ ... or man apt.conf |
| 11:19.10 | wols_ | S1kx: snapshot.debian.org should have it |
| 11:19.10 | jelly | S1kx: I'd suggest either building your binary statically, or using a chroot or a similarly old OS, like Debian 3.0 |
| 11:19.31 | S1kx | well even if i build it statically (with -Bstatic?) it still gives me that error |
| 11:19.36 | wols_ | but what jelly says is probably easiest |
| 11:19.37 | jelly | S1kx: what error? |
| 11:19.42 | S1kx | one second |
| 11:19.54 | jelly | S1kx: pastebin the whole command and the whole output |
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| 11:23.45 | S1kx | http://pastie.org/private/pmq5eqcgrxd8q6or4ekda |
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| 11:25.07 | aguitel | the bot is offline? |
| 11:25.29 | jelly | aguitel: use ravenbird for the time being |
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| 11:26.04 | aguitel | jelly, what is this? |
| 11:26.56 | g00se | jelly: Great - thanks |
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| 11:27.17 | jelly | aguitel: a different bot |
| 11:28.15 | jelly | S1kx: sounds like http://bugs.debian.org/310445 |
| 11:29.05 | titichapo | hello world :) from France under UuntuStudio as desktop, and pure debian as servers :) how do youdo everybody? :) |
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| 11:30.56 | S1kx | jelly: so maybe i should try compiling from another debian 3.0 machine? |
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| 11:31.47 | jelly | S1kx: that seems like an option. A vm, I don't think woody will be debootstrappable with lenny+ kernels |
| 11:32.15 | whomee | how do i install the perl module PHP::Serialization ? |
| 11:32.17 | S1kx | yeah i hope vmware works with debian 3... only shows 5 as option but ill try |
| 11:33.01 | jelly | whomee: have you tried searching for it? apt-cache search PHP::Serialization |
| 11:33.02 | aguitel | how uninstall delete kde in command line ? |
| 11:33.24 | themill | %remove kde |
| 11:33.24 | jelly | aguitel: /msg ravenbird remove kde |
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| 11:33.33 | themill | or not :( |
| 11:33.43 | aguitel | jelly, is not answer to me |
| 11:33.44 | whomee | jelly: hah i did but misspelled 2 times, now i got it, sorry for bad behavior ;) |
| 11:33.54 | jelly | ravenbird: you're dumb |
| 11:33.56 | ravenbird | STFU |
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| 11:33.59 | titichapo | whomee : isn't a command like pear install PHP... etc. etc. ? |
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| 11:34.16 | jelly | titichapo: he's looking for a Perl modules. |
| 11:34.37 | themill | %literal remove kde |
| 11:34.38 | titichapo | sorry |
| 11:34.40 | ravenbird | themill: "remove kde" is: "<reply>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>)." |
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| 11:34.52 | jelly | %win themill |
| 11:34.54 | ravenbird | jelly: no idea |
| 11:35.03 | jelly | :-D |
| 11:35.12 | S1kx | jelly: vm doesnt detect the harddisks :( |
| 11:35.17 | whomee | it worked, spank you jelly |
| 11:35.24 | jelly | S1kx: try scsi. |
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| 11:35.38 | S1kx | its scsi 0:0 |
| 11:36.19 | jelly | S1kx: well, try the other scsi controller then. Also, try the oldest emulated hardware possible. PIIX3? |
| 11:38.33 | Mowee | hi o/ |
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| 11:41.11 | S1kx | jelly: i cant seem to find the option for that i ncase it even exists. is there no live cd for woody? |
| 11:41.26 | jelly | S1kx: there definitely isn't |
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| 11:41.47 | jelly | S1kx: PIIX3 is IDE controller, not SCSI |
| 11:41.59 | S1kx | yeah but i cant even change to ide :/ |
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| 11:44.17 | jelly | you can't change, but you can add, perhaps |
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| 11:49.11 | hdtdi | anyone who knows if i can install debian on my phone? - htc g1 |
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| 11:50.40 | Ergo^ | hdtdi, i think its best you stick to android for now |
| 11:50.47 | badcloud | hdtdi: first google result--> http://www.gagogeek.com/softwares/2008/11/debian-on-a-htc-android-g1 |
| 11:50.53 | titichapo | need help my friends!! |
| 11:50.53 | S1kx | jelly <3 :) |
| 11:51.22 | badcloud | but I agree with Ergo^ |
| 11:51.39 | badcloud | better to stick with the proprietary os unless you're feeling adventurous |
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| 11:53.46 | titichapo | on channel #ubuntu-fr, McPeter told that debian and ubuntu are not the same, as i was explaining something to a guy, he expulsed me!! For this guy, we don't have to talk about Debian on the channel ubuntu-fr!! it's incredible!!! i'm used to ubuntustudio as desktop and debian is always for my servers, and i started linux in 1998 under redhat, slackware and debian!! What's this guy??? |
| 11:54.06 | titichapo | this is anti-democratic!! |
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| 11:54.27 | shylent | what |
| 11:54.48 | titichapo | i didn't spend any bad words, any insults!! just "bonhomme" (for "goodbiy" in english)!!! that's incredible!! |
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| 11:55.01 | petern_ | titichapo, and this is not #ubuntu-fr |
| 11:55.02 | jelly | titichapo: this isn't the channel to discuss policies of unrelated channels. Try #freenode, or ask them for an explanation in a private message. |
| 11:55.03 | titichapo | goodboy.. |
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| 11:55.11 | titichapo | yes |
| 11:55.17 | titichapo | you're right |
| 11:55.29 | jelly | titichapo: keep to tech support here. #debian-offtopic if you absolutely MUST rant |
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| 11:56.34 | titichapo | but i'm little bit nervous with this social/working/help/discuus policy with his comportment. please accept my excuses for that, thanks to understand. |
| 11:57.43 | S1kx | the internet makes the smart people smarter and the stupid people louder |
| 11:59.04 | titichapo | that's right!! |
| 11:59.15 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:02.02 | ronald-macdonald | is there any graphic software that allows debian to resize images directly from nautilus ? |
| 12:02.24 | streuner | images, do you mean partitions? |
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| 12:02.45 | ronald-macdonald | i mean .png .jpg |
| 12:02.56 | ham5 | imagemagicks convert |
| 12:02.59 | streuner | gimp, imagemagick |
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| 12:03.13 | linduxed | how do i check if a specific port is open? |
| 12:03.21 | streuner | !close ports |
| 12:03.23 | streuner | argh |
| 12:04.33 | ham5 | netstat? |
| 12:04.49 | titichapo | netstat -an | more |
| 12:05.12 | titichapo | or netstat -an | grep port_number |
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| 12:07.15 | Ergo^ | is it possible to run a remote desktop server on a debian box? |
| 12:08.08 | titichapo | Ergo^: of course, you have to export your display in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:10.37 | linduxed | titichapo: thx |
| 12:10.58 | Ergo^ | titichapo, i need a VNC server i guess |
| 12:11.55 | qwd | I want to see the difference between 2 folders but the problem is the files have slightly different names. For example: George Orwell - Animal Farm.pdf.371156tf87e076aa.torrent but others don't have the .pdf or the 371156... part. How can I do this? |
| 12:12.30 | Stereo | qwd: so you're just interested in the first part? |
| 12:12.33 | qwd | Oh and in the other folder it just ends with .pdf of course. |
| 12:12.37 | qwd | Stereo: yeah |
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| 12:13.30 | Stereo | diff -u <(ls dir1 | cut -d '.' -f 1) <(ls dir2 | cut -d '.' -f 1) |
| 12:13.37 | aguitel | how remove lxde ? |
| 12:14.09 | Stereo | although I don't like piping ls ; maybe someone else here has a better way |
| 12:14.26 | socram | setting nfs sharing i get this: "Fake hostname mail.agz.com.py for 200.108.137.54 - forward lookup doesn't match reverse". I dont know why the request is from my public(internet) IP, since i've a second nic with lan ip. |
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| 12:15.21 | Stereo | qwd: did that do the trick? |
| 12:15.44 | Stereo | qwd: your name rings a bell, do I know you from another channel? |
| 12:16.24 | qwd | Stereo: I'm going to try it soon (and not that I know of :) |
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| 12:25.30 | qwd | Stereo: ah I tried it and it cuts off some names that contain a . for example Johnny B. Good turns into Johnny B |
| 12:25.59 | Stereo | aha, a special case! |
| 12:26.41 | Stereo | and that's problematic for diffing, I assume |
| 12:26.44 | Stereo | hmm |
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| 12:27.06 | alsuren_ | *blush* |
| 12:27.27 | Stereo | qwd: are all those special cases a full stop followed by a space? |
| 12:28.45 | qwd | Stereo: nope :) for example there's u.s.a. in a title. I'm sure there are more of those |
| 12:29.19 | qwd | I'm guessing this won't be easy to do :) |
| 12:29.33 | Stereo | yeah |
| 12:29.36 | Stereo | hmm |
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| 12:30.12 | qwd | I'd like to remove .pdf .torrent and .(16 characters long hash) |
| 12:30.15 | Blackhold | hi! o/ |
| 12:30.19 | Stereo | I'm guessing one directory is your .torrent files folder and the other is your downloads folder |
| 12:30.19 | qwd | I think that would solve it |
| 12:30.33 | qwd | Stereo: yeah |
| 12:30.37 | Stereo | ah, you coud do that with sed and a regex |
| 12:30.59 | Stereo | so you always have the hash? |
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| 12:31.20 | qwd | Stereo: not always, some have it, some don't |
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| 12:32.12 | Blackhold | I'm trying to configure ssh to enter through sshpubkey, but it gives some problem, 'cause it don't takes the key, I generated the key with ssh-keygen -t dsa, entered a passphrase, and then ssh-copy-id -i id_rsa.pub user@server and still asks me for password... what is missing? |
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| 12:32.43 | whomee | where does a usb webcam usually hold up? aint it like /dev/video0 ? |
| 12:33.01 | Blackhold | whomee: wich cam is it? |
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| 12:33.16 | whomee | Trust WB-6250X Webcam |
| 12:33.27 | whomee | and a logitech quickcam messenger |
| 12:33.27 | Blackhold | see on v4l if it is compatible |
| 12:33.41 | whomee | the trust is but not sure about the logitech one |
| 12:33.41 | Stereo | Blackhold: so does /home/user/.ssh/authorized |
| 12:33.43 | Stereo | _uh |
| 12:33.52 | Stereo | Blackhold: so does /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys on server contain the good key? |
| 12:34.02 | Blackhold | Stereo: it has the pub key of the other server |
| 12:34.03 | Stereo | what does ssh -vvv user@server say? |
| 12:34.19 | Blackhold | Stereo: I copied it using ssh-copy-id to don't get wrong |
| 12:34.30 | Blackhold | and is the only line, the other server pubkey |
| 12:34.41 | Blackhold | I think that there's something on configuration |
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| 12:34.56 | Blackhold | > ssh -V |
| 12:34.56 | Blackhold | OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005 |
| 12:35.04 | manixor | I broke my lan internet connection, when Debian is loading I get eth0 is down, how can I fix it? |
| 12:35.14 | Blackhold | and the other the same version |
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| 12:35.52 | Blackhold | whomee: make an lsusb and paste the id to a browser |
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| 12:36.00 | cristi8 | hi. i have a debian lenny PC and a laptop, connected in a local network. i want to try some live-cd linux distributions on my laptop. can i download .iso files on my debian and network-boot them on my laptop? |
| 12:36.26 | fasta | manixor, just plug it in. It should work immediately. |
| 12:36.32 | Blackhold | whomee: if not do an lshw and search for plugged webcam and in the last line check there are lots of modules loaded |
| 12:36.34 | Stereo | qwd: you could clean up your .torrents names with a sed regex |
| 12:36.52 | Stereo | qwd: but are you sure the names will match even after that? |
| 12:37.03 | Blackhold | cristi8: using pxe |
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| 12:37.19 | cristi8 | Blackhold: yes, using pxe boot |
| 12:37.21 | Blackhold | cristi8: if not the other way to test isos is using virtual machines such virtualbox |
| 12:37.38 | Blackhold | cristi8: tftp + dhcp |
| 12:37.54 | cristi8 | Blackhold: and i can boot any iso ? |
| 12:38.23 | Stereo | qwd: maybe you could make something with libtorrent in python or ruby that checks whether the files from the .torrent that's passed as an argument exist |
| 12:38.27 | greenmang0 | i just created 3 partitions with LVM ... system is running perfectly.. but when i do "fdisk -l" it lists LVM logical volumes and says "Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
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| 12:38.32 | manixor | fasta...nothing, on ifconfig I see only lo |
| 12:38.56 | greenmang0 | have i made any mistake creating LVMs? |
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| 12:39.17 | g00se | jelly: If http_proxy is not up, presumably apt will proceed as normal? |
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| 12:40.06 | qwd | Stereo: hm, I thought I could sort the files by last accessed and look at the ones that haven't been accessed recently but rtorrent doesn't seem to change that |
| 12:40.29 | linduxed | i noticed that the lenny repos dont contain the ncmpcpp package, however they do have ncmpc |
| 12:40.59 | linduxed | since ncmpcpp is superior in a couple of ways, is there some way of obtaining it? |
| 12:41.07 | linduxed | is it in testing? |
| 12:41.15 | linduxed | some external deb source? |
| 12:41.15 | Stereo | qwd: ls -luth doesn't show access? rtorrent shouldn't have the choice, maybe your file system is mounted with noatime |
| 12:41.29 | whomee | Blackhold, hm dont have lshw for some reason now |
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| 12:43.02 | Trewas | qwd: I am not sure what you are trying to do, but for example cfv can check if all files in a .torrent are present and have correct checksums |
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| 12:44.06 | Squeeb | hai |
| 12:44.14 | Squeeb | How can I make the -m flag default for useradd? |
| 12:44.24 | qwd | Stereo: Doesn't seem like it, I tried restarting rtorrent just in case but I'm seeing files that I know are in rtorrent but haven't been accessed since in several days (the majority) |
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| 12:45.33 | qwd | Trewas: I want to know which ones aren't seeded |
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| 12:45.37 | metalfan___ | hi |
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| 12:49.17 | Squeeb | anybody? |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | g00se: if it's unset? Yes. |
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| 12:51.32 | Argafal | Squeeb: why not use adduser instead? but otherwise you could create an alias. |
| 12:52.19 | Argafal | Squeeb: my reason for suggesting adduser is, that it does more and is recommended unless you have good reasons. see also manpage: "useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead." |
| 12:52.50 | Squeeb | well, we have an automated script for adding users and ssh keys |
| 12:52.54 | Squeeb | it's designed for CentOS |
| 12:52.58 | Squeeb | but we'd like it to work with Debian too |
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| 12:54.11 | Argafal | Squeeb: well, if you use a script anyways then just add -m there? |
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| 12:55.02 | Squeeb | Then it doesn't work on CentOS |
| 12:55.03 | Squeeb | :P |
| 12:55.14 | Squeeb | stupid binary differences |
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| 12:55.55 | triptec | is there another xorg package that doesn't require 90 mb? |
| 12:56.20 | wols_ | not really. but you can try without recommends (if there are any) |
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| 12:56.45 | themill | triptec: you don't need to install every single driver |
| 12:56.50 | wols_ | and you can remove most videodrivers you don't need (not much) or maybe some fonts you don't need. e.g. if you use 75dpi, you don't need 100dpi ones |
| 12:57.02 | qwd | Stereo: ah I think I might be on to something. I tried a hash check in rtorrent and that changed access time |
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| 12:57.18 | triptec | kk |
| 12:57.24 | Argafal | Squeeb: why not use adduser on both? |
| 12:57.34 | triptec | just seems abit abusing of disk spave |
| 12:57.37 | triptec | space |
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| 12:57.44 | Argafal | Squeeb: or add a switch depending on the version.... |
| 12:57.50 | triptec | thanks anyway |
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| 12:58.04 | Argafal | or check for the home directory afterwards and manually create it, it's only a mkdir and chown anyways. |
| 12:58.20 | Argafal | last one seems like a neat solution. |
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| 13:10.30 | aguitel | what is the best way to install debian in eeepc |
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| 13:10.58 | Titan8990 | !eeepc |
| 13:11.02 | OpenTokix | With a fine glass of merlot |
| 13:11.16 | Titan8990 | aguitel: there is a specific page on the wiki for those netbooks |
| 13:11.49 | aguitel | Titan8990, what page? |
| 13:12.00 | Titan8990 | aguitel: search eeepc |
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| 13:12.42 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org/EeePc |
| 13:12.44 | abrotman | i think |
| 13:12.45 | pngwn | aquitel there is #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:16.51 | whomee | anyone here using ZoneMinder? |
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| 13:17.40 | zumbi | whomee: what's the problem? |
| 13:17.40 | g00se | jelly: That's good. I'm trying to establish that aptitude is actually using the proxy. What do you think the best way of proving it is? |
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| 13:18.19 | themill | g00se: proxies normally log things |
| 13:18.39 | wonderwal | how is it possible that my process's cpu time in htop is -596523h-14:-8 |
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| 13:19.27 | whomee | zumbi: first off, it always stands on Stopped at status |
| 13:19.35 | metalfan___ | why does the debian 5.0.4 netinst installer use 240gb as home, 5gb as /usr, ~400mb as / on a 250gb disk with auto partitioning? |
| 13:19.40 | whomee | lets start there, dont know why it wont start |
| 13:19.43 | wonderwal | how is it possible that my process's cpu time in htop is -596523h-14:-8 |
| 13:19.46 | metalfan___ | isnt /usr and / a bit small |
| 13:20.50 | zumbi | whomee: have you configure it out in apache? see /usr/share/doc/zoneminder |
| 13:20.58 | metalfan___ | g00se, you can also use tcpdump and look for connections to apt mirrors |
| 13:21.23 | zumbi | whomee: then localhost/zm should point you to zoneminder interface (in your favourite browser) |
| 13:21.41 | Titan8990 | metalfan___: / is likely fine. I would give /usr around 15gb or so |
| 13:21.49 | whomee | well i get to the page where you add a monitor and stuff |
| 13:22.06 | zumbi | whomee: then, that's it, it is started |
| 13:22.26 | whomee | ZoneMinder Console - Stopped - v1.24.2 |
| 13:22.27 | Titan8990 | metalfan___: well... actually, / might not be fine if you don't have a seperate /var. |
| 13:22.31 | wonderwal | can debian help me stain my teeth black |
| 13:22.46 | metalfan___ | Titan8990, didnt mention the var...its there. dont have the value in mind |
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| 13:23.15 | zumbi | whomee: that's all about it I know :-/ |
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| 13:23.39 | Titan8990 | metalfan___: http://paste.debian.net/70712/ |
| 13:23.44 | whomee | zumbi: hehe ok :D well ill do some figuringout now |
| 13:23.51 | g00se | Thanks guys. tcpdump shows me aptitude is using the proxy |
| 13:24.14 | dragos240 | Anyone know of a good daemon control tool. I used rc-update in gentoo. What's a good equivalent to this? |
| 13:24.25 | Titan8990 | dragos240: update-rc.d |
| 13:24.34 | metalfan___ | g00se, please post the command line for tcpdump |
| 13:24.36 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite dragos240 |
| 13:24.47 | metalfan___ | Titan8990, what should i see there? |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | dragos240: update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 13:25.13 | jelly | g00se: make it work, suspend it, use netstat to see where the connections go |
| 13:25.14 | Titan8990 | metalfan___: I was just showing you an example of a desktop machine that has had a year of use, and how much space a combined /usr /var and etc is using |
| 13:25.31 | dragos240 | Thanks :) |
| 13:25.39 | Titan8990 | dragos240: also: sysvconfig |
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| 13:26.38 | g00se | metalfan___: sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -s1024 -vv -nn -A >/tmp/tcp.log 2>&1 & |
| 13:26.43 | metalfan___ | Titan8990, ah thx |
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| 13:27.27 | metalfan___ | tcpdump port "yourproxyport" should also work |
| 13:29.16 | metalfan___ | Titan8990, now that you mention it. my rootserver thats running for some months is equipped with 5gb as combined root for everything except home |
| 13:29.20 | metalfan___ | and its doing fine |
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| 13:32.33 | cusco | hi |
| 13:32.38 | cusco | when I debug /proc/PID/fd/blah, I see some of them are sockets |
| 13:32.41 | cusco | like: 13778024 lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Apr 26 14:00 120 -> socket:[13776880] |
| 13:32.55 | cusco | how can I debug what kind of socket or conenction? like "13776880" |
| 13:33.37 | Titan8990 | read from the socket and see what is returned? |
| 13:33.53 | jelly | cusco: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:34.34 | jelly | cusco: lsof -n -p PID may or may not show different details |
| 13:35.44 | cusco | jelly: I think my asterisk server is getting too many sockets open as the time passes... |
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| 13:37.02 | greenmang0 | abrotman: what can be the reason of getting "disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table" when "fdisk -l" is used... my system is running perfectly with lvm and i am able to extend the partitions as well.... |
| 13:38.07 | cusco | thanks jelly I can find out more info about them connections with lsof |
| 13:38.13 | Ergo^ | anyone here ran tightvncserver ? my keyboard mappings are off in gnome |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | greenmang0: i don't use dmraid |
| 13:38.51 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ok. :) |
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| 13:38.59 | jelly | cusco: why not allow it to open more fds, if this is actual usage. "help ulimit", you might have to kludge it into the init script |
| 13:39.17 | Ergo^ | in ssh a write qwerty and get qwerty, but in gnome i get "c.gvn" instead of qwerty |
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| 13:47.12 | fruitwerks | anyone know a good link for creating a package? one that is simpler than the one on the wiki? it is not exactly descriptive |
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| 13:47.44 | cusco | jelly: I thought about that but that would not solve the problem... I think we have something wrong in our configuration, as each day that pasts, memory usage also grows about 10% |
| 13:48.02 | abrotman | fruitwerks: the entire packaging manual isn't enough ? |
| 13:48.07 | cusco | so Im looking to debug if it is mysql connection... |
| 13:48.12 | cusco | brb |
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| 13:50.13 | fruitwerks | abrotman.. I get lost... I'm used to writing ebuilds lol |
| 13:50.39 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite fruitwerks |
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| 13:50.51 | Titan8990 | %gentoosmite fruitwerks |
| 13:50.59 | ravenbird | Titan8990: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:51.01 | jelly | Titan8990: fail! |
| 13:51.27 | fruitwerks | actually they are very simple packages, one just needs to copy a cgi-bin to a /home/$user/cgi-bin and another just needs to untar to a similar dir |
| 13:51.33 | Titan8990 | jelly: I miss dpkg already :( |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | fruitwerks: it's really not that hard .. the manual is pretty simple |
| 13:51.58 | jelly | %nmg |
| 13:52.01 | ravenbird | see newmaint |
| 13:52.06 | jelly | %newmaint |
| 13:52.09 | ravenbird | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 13:52.33 | fruitwerks | yeah I have been to all of those... *sigh* |
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| 13:52.49 | fruitwerks | this is what happens when you use only gentoo for 10 years |
| 13:53.08 | Titan8990 | NMG is pretty straightforward... plug most of what your package needs to do is done with dh_install |
| 13:53.12 | Titan8990 | s/plug/plus |
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| 13:54.20 | qwd | Stereo: I solved it by doing it manually. |
| 13:55.42 | qwd | Can I use ls to show only files with or without a Gnome emblem? |
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| 14:00.14 | Lutorius | does anyone know if the proggy fonts are named something else in a package? |
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| 14:12.26 | ethanol | my syslog is flooded with; modprobe: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6 |
| 14:12.34 | ethanol | how can I disable this retarded warning? :< |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | don't blacklist it? |
| 14:14.23 | jim_de | hi all, has anyone gotten web apps in /usr/share running under mod_fastcgi??? |
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| 14:14.53 | wols_ | ethanol: /msg ravenbird disable ipv6 |
| 14:15.17 | ethanol | ravenbird has no comment on the matter :< |
| 14:15.20 | ravenbird | ethanol: I haven't a clue. |
| 14:15.35 | wols_ | ethanol: /msg ravenbird noipv6 then |
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| 14:15.59 | ethanol | negative |
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| 14:16.27 | ethanol | anyway |
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| 14:16.33 | ethanol | I disabled ipv6 yes |
| 14:16.48 | ethanol | but hence now I am getting these warnings |
| 14:16.51 | ethanol | lame |
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| 14:17.39 | ethanol | or is loca.conf the preferred method over blacklisting now? |
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| 14:17.43 | ethanol | local.conf* |
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| 14:23.22 | Ollivin | got a little problem... i have a debian homeserv on an old ibook. for fun i installed lxde for testing with gdm. gdm is started at system boot. but gdm does not allow me to login with root |
| 14:23.28 | Ollivin | but dont have another user on it |
| 14:23.44 | Ollivin | i cant get a shell. network is not up |
| 14:23.47 | babilen | you still shouldn't log in as root, but use a normal user account |
| 14:23.47 | Ollivin | what do i do |
| 14:24.04 | babilen | why can't you get a shell? |
| 14:24.05 | Ollivin | its not reachable from the internet |
| 14:24.15 | Ollivin | how should i |
| 14:24.17 | babilen | still - you don't work as root *ever* |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | Ollivin: ssh in ? |
| 14:24.37 | babilen | (that is for "normal" user related work) |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | Ollivin: you'd have to run gdmsetup to allow root, which IMO is bad |
| 14:25.24 | Ollivin | abrotman: network is not running |
| 14:25.30 | Ollivin | just installed debian yesterday |
| 14:25.35 | Ollivin | dhcpd is not started |
| 14:25.39 | Ollivin | so there is no net |
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| 14:26.06 | babilen | Ollivin: What is the problem you are trying to fix? Log in with the user account you created during the installation and become root whenever your need to (e.g. for package installation) |
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| 14:26.55 | babilen | If you want to setup your network - take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration or the debian reference |
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| 14:30.47 | abrotman | Ollivin: so switch to the shell, configure the network, add a user |
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| 14:32.15 | Ollivin | got it to work |
| 14:32.23 | babilen | good :) |
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| 14:32.33 | Ollivin | thanks |
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| 14:38.15 | lcarvalho | When I am building the debian package following the NMG, Where can I define my package release number? |
| 14:38.41 | azeem_ | in debian/changelog |
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| 14:39.35 | cristi8 | how do i find out what version of Qt library is in lenny? |
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| 14:42.09 | cantido | cristi8: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:44.01 | cristi8 | an application website sais: "32bit binaries. You need Qt version >= 4.5 and the Phonon libraries." .. i can't figure out if i can have "qt" version >= 4.5 |
| 14:44.48 | azeem_ | cristi8: lenny has Qt-4.3 |
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| 14:45.35 | cristi8 | azeem_: is there a way i can get the app running? |
| 14:46.01 | cristi8 | i heard that installing libs/apps from testing is a very bad idea |
| 14:46.45 | azeem_ | what application is it? |
| 14:47.10 | cristi8 | azeem_: minitube ( http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube ) |
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| 14:47.12 | Tadys | hello this is my firt drupal site www.kompiuterija.us.lt |
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| 14:51.30 | greedo | ok, so I keep getting this error when trying to run apt-get |
| 14:51.34 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/tPhhYBuz |
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| 14:53.07 | greedo | after commenting out pam-auth-update from libpam-ldap.postinst, i still get that last part |
| 14:53.52 | Titan8990 | greedo: what version of debian is this? |
| 14:54.14 | lcarvalho | How can I define the release number of my debian package? |
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| 14:56.23 | azeem_ | lcarvalho: 16:38 < azeem_> in debian/changelog |
| 14:56.42 | greedo | Titan8990: lenny, i think |
| 14:57.23 | greedo | Titan8990: kernel 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | eep! |
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| 14:57.59 | lcarvalho | azeem_: are you sure? I can not find it. I set Release in there and it is ignored by dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 14:58.00 | Titan8990 | greedo: I don't think that kernel is in debian |
| 14:58.03 | Titan8990 | ,kernels |
| 14:58.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:58.17 | Titan8990 | greedo: ah, etchnhalf? |
| 14:58.56 | greedo | Titan8990: hmm, /etc/debian_version says squeeze/sid |
| 14:59.10 | azeem_ | lcarvalho: what do you mean with "release number" then? |
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| 14:59.39 | lcarvalho | like mypackage_5.4.6-001_amd64.deb |
| 14:59.43 | lcarvalho | 001 is the release number |
| 14:59.45 | Titan8990 | greedo: so you are potentially mixing 4 different releases here? |
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| 15:01.00 | greedo | Titan8990: well, yet again I have testing/updates in my sources list |
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| 15:01.21 | Titan8990 | greedo: apt-cache policy libc6 udev libpam-runtime |
| 15:01.28 | Titan8990 | greedo: well, stop adding it |
| 15:02.46 | azeem_ | lcarvalho: that is set in debian/changelog |
| 15:03.04 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/VZ63HZDa |
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| 15:03.58 | greedo | Titan8990: whoever setup these system, must have not had a clue |
| 15:04.12 | lcarvalho | azeem_: thank you very much |
| 15:04.16 | greedo | systems* |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | eep! |
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| 15:04.32 | abrotman | greedo: or thought they had a clue? |
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| 15:05.03 | Titan8990 | greedo: well, none of those versions match with something currently in debian |
| 15:05.13 | greedo | so does my system look toasted? |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | greedo: are you trying to run stable or testing ? |
| 15:05.51 | Bop | anyone knows if this card -> Soundblaster X-fi Extreme Gamer Fatal1ty Soundcard is supported in the linux kernel ? |
| 15:05.57 | greedo | stable, since this is a production server |
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| 15:07.15 | abrotman | greedo: is this production ? |
| 15:07.24 | greedo | yes |
| 15:07.27 | cahoot | Bop: got the card? |
| 15:07.32 | the-dude | is wget included with a default debian desktop ? |
| 15:07.35 | abrotman | greedo: can you say "awesome" :) |
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| 15:07.43 | abrotman | the-dude: should be .. if not, trivial to install |
| 15:07.46 | Bop | cahoot, thinking on getting one , but want to be sure its supported first |
| 15:08.11 | cahoot | Bop: I'd suggest a look at alsas site |
| 15:08.17 | Bop | hmm , ok |
| 15:08.19 | Titan8990 | greedo: my guess is that this machine was running lenny when lenny was testing |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | greedo: you could try to undo all the pinning, fix your sources.list .. do the dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 15:09.14 | Titan8990 | you still have the etch kernel, so there is likely other etch around |
| 15:09.35 | greedo | abortman: how can I undo the pinning? |
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| 15:10.46 | abrotman | greedo: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 15:10.59 | abrotman | greedo: also, make sure you have a backup |
| 15:11.28 | greedo | abrotman: no preferences |
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| 15:13.05 | abrotman | greedo: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold ? |
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| 15:13.49 | abrotman | or: aptitude search "~ahold" |
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| 15:15.40 | greedo | abortman: nothing |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | greedo: put your current sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 15:17.27 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/A9C5UdM9 |
| 15:17.48 | abrotman | greedo: jeez that's awful |
| 15:18.02 | greedo | ya |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | http://pastebin.com/VSHBb5kr |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | i added volatile if you want it |
| 15:20.35 | abrotman | but it's commented out |
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| 15:20.47 | greedo | yeah, I'll use it |
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| 15:23.14 | greedo | abortman: i still get that error |
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| 15:23.50 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/Pv9XXA52 |
| 15:24.05 | greedo | have no clue what it's talking about |
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| 15:27.04 | abrotman | hold on |
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| 15:29.07 | nbnds | can someone suggest me how many cd images i need to do basic gnome desktop install? is number one enough, assumed i have an internet connection? |
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| 15:29.51 | Titan8990 | greedo: apt-cache policy dpkg |
| 15:30.09 | Titan8990 | nbnds: netinst is enough if you have a internet connection, otherwise cd1 |
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| 15:30.43 | nbnds | Titan8990: thanks a lot! |
| 15:30.56 | cantido | internet connection and an interface that has drivers, doesn't need non-free firmware.. etc ;) |
| 15:30.57 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.45 | Titan8990 | greedo: it seems all your packages are non-existant between etch and lenny... |
| 15:34.06 | greedo | Titan8890: hmm |
| 15:34.14 | greedo | 8990* |
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| 15:36.45 | greedo | guess I need to replace them |
| 15:37.02 | thrashold | Any threaded decoder of H.264? |
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| 15:51.38 | greedo | Titan8990: should I try reinstalling dpkg? |
| 15:51.50 | qudos | hi does anyone have experience in setting up a dnsbl? |
| 15:52.06 | Winkie | what sort of dnsbl? |
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| 16:00.59 | vilemaxim | Are there debs for freenx for lenny amd64? |
| 16:01.11 | mcsmurf | yes |
| 16:01.20 | mcsmurf | (I know it, I installed it) |
| 16:01.31 | mcsmurf | oh wait |
| 16:01.33 | mcsmurf | sorry :o |
| 16:01.40 | vilemaxim | any clue for me... I've been looking around with no luck |
| 16:01.46 | vilemaxim | fond the i386 debs |
| 16:02.19 | vilemaxim | got Ubuntu amd64 debs... no love for Lenny amd64 |
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| 16:02.24 | mbruins | hi, anyone bulgarian here? |
| 16:03.12 | mcsmurf | vilemaxim: you're totally right, I was thinking of Ubuntu |
| 16:03.29 | vilemaxim | you think the ubuntu debs will work? |
| 16:04.10 | vilemaxim | I seen on there mailing list that someone was working on a lenny port, but I cannot find them anywhere |
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| 16:05.59 | NoReflex | hello! I've got a problem with a machine that won't boot. It gives a kernel panic stating chroot cannot execute /etc/apparmor/initramfs permission denied. what happened was that it didn't want to boot at all so I reinstalled grub with a live CD. Now I can boot manually with (kernel = /boot/vmlinuz... and initrd = /boot/initrd...) but it hangs at the apparmor error |
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| 16:08.55 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, not sure why it's trying to chroot |
| 16:09.14 | Titan8990 | NoReflex: sure that is debian? (I don't think there *is* apparmor in debian) |
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| 16:10.08 | NoReflex | Titan8990: this is not my machine...I received from a friend. He said he had debian unstable on it... |
| 16:10.09 | NoReflex | if I boot from the live CD the initramfs file in /etc/apparmor is owned by root:root mod 751 |
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| 16:10.55 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, here is my reinstall grub mini-howto. boot live; mount /dev/ROOT /mnt; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; chroot /mnt; grub-install --recheck /dev/sdA; reboot |
| 16:11.21 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, not sure what your actual problem is... hope that helps |
| 16:11.46 | NoReflex | Titan8990: how can I check which distro this actually is? |
| 16:12.02 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: will try; thks |
| 16:12.16 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, you understand it all |
| 16:12.52 | vilemaxim | the /dev/ROOT... ROOT is whatever root is. /dev/sdA.... A is whatever the drive is |
| 16:13.50 | vilemaxim | you might have to fdisk -l to figure that stuff out. Sorry if you know this... It's hard to figure out skill level with limit interaction. |
| 16:14.21 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: I'm at chroot /mnt |
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| 16:14.52 | NoReflex | it gives : cannot run command /bin/bash permission denied |
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| 16:15.34 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, is it possible that permissions have changed on the harddrive? |
| 16:15.50 | vilemaxim | is it mounted readonly? |
| 16:16.45 | NoReflex | /dev/sda1 on /mnt type ext4 (rw), /dev on /mnt/dev type none (rw,bind) |
| 16:16.51 | vilemaxim | a lot of live CDs will mount readonly if you mount through the GUI |
| 16:17.39 | simonrvn | seems to be mounted noexec too despite what mounts says |
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| 16:17.44 | simonrvn | mount* |
| 16:17.46 | vilemaxim | Seems like something happened to the drive... your missing grub and permissions are messed up. |
| 16:17.57 | simonrvn | could be that too |
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| 16:18.10 | simonrvn | fubar fs/drive |
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| 16:18.16 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, ls -l /mnt/bin/bash |
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| 16:19.36 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: -rwxw-xr-x 1 root root 856K 2009-09-14 05:09 /mnt/bin/bash |
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| 16:20.07 | vilemaxim | sudo chroot /mnt ? |
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| 16:20.35 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: tried that as well. also tried sudo su and then trying to chroot |
| 16:23.41 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, no sure... Check SMART on the drive, umount the drive and try a chkdsk, try a different CD to be sure... the install might be missed up, but you should get a different error than permission denied. |
| 16:24.28 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, I could be sending you on a wild goose chase here. I'm not sure why it's doing that. |
| 16:25.11 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: could i try something like chroot /dev/sda1 /bin/bash ? |
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| 16:26.10 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, no.... that's a device, not a filesystem. little hard to explain |
| 16:26.32 | vilemaxim | you in an ubuntu live cd? |
| 16:26.39 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: yes |
| 16:27.02 | Titan8990 | NoReflex: cat /etc/issue |
| 16:27.03 | vilemaxim | in prefs ... or admin there is Disk Utils |
| 16:27.12 | vilemaxim | open that and it will show you SMART |
| 16:27.35 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, if smart is tripped that would explain alot |
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| 16:27.42 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: trying now |
| 16:27.45 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: you don't care he is likely not running debian? |
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| 16:28.03 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, linux is linux |
| 16:28.20 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: a general linux discussion/support belongs in ##linux |
| 16:28.30 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: here, debian is supported |
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| 16:30.03 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, I didn't know the answer to if it's a debian machine or not |
| 16:30.21 | Titan8990 | !version |
| 16:30.29 | Titan8990 | %version |
| 16:30.31 | ravenbird | Titan8990: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+git. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1. |
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| 16:30.41 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.33.3h3f ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
| 16:30.56 | vilemaxim | everything I told him to do is relevant to a debian |
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| 16:31.21 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: smartctl says smart test passed |
| 16:31.28 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: AFIAK there is no apparmor is debian, so debian would not have this issue |
| 16:31.54 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, cat /mnt/etc/debian_version |
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| 16:32.30 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, unless the person who installed it used some non debian sources on his Debian machine. |
| 16:32.40 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, I do |
| 16:32.56 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: squeeze/sid |
| 16:33.13 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, Defense rest |
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| 16:33.26 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: right, which is typically not supported here. Especially when its something that requires special kernel patches |
| 16:33.29 | NoReflex | vilemaxim: how can I check if the partition is mount with noexec |
| 16:33.59 | Titan8990 | NoReflex: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 16:34.16 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, why have you concluded that there is a special kernel? |
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| 16:34.48 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: your right, I was just assuming because SELinux and grsecurity both require kernel support |
| 16:35.11 | ham5 | NoReflex: mount |
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| 16:35.15 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: but it also looks like I was right: AppArmor is implemented using the Linux Security Modules kernel interface. |
| 16:35.39 | vilemaxim | NoReflex, unmount /mnt; run a chkdsk on /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:36.23 | vilemaxim | Anyone know how a guy can run freenx on a Lenny AMD64 machine |
| 16:36.49 | vilemaxim | I'd like to avoid buulding from source |
| 16:37.13 | Titan8990 | %freenx |
| 16:37.14 | ravenbird | FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:38.12 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: \building for source looks like the safest way on that page... |
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| 16:38.44 | Titan8990 | NoReflex: what was the output of `apt-cache policy libc6` from inside the chroot? |
| 16:39.08 | vilemaxim | Titan8990, he cannot exec bash |
| 16:39.40 | NoReflex | I rebooted the live cd ..., could unmount /dev/sda1 anymore... |
| 16:39.43 | NoReflex | lsof did not help |
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| 16:39.58 | NoReflex | *couldn't |
| 16:40.08 | Titan8990 | vilemaxim: my logs show him trying to get ubuntu help in here on multiple occasions |
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| 16:40.33 | simonrvn | apparmor is an ubuntu thing... |
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| 16:41.00 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: a novell thing to be exact... but, yeah implemented in ubuntu and not in debian |
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| 16:41.28 | azeem_ | mabye he now has a Ubuntu-specific initrd using apparmor |
| 16:41.29 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 16:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | my that bug is a sad story |
| 16:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "we're going to put it into sid any day, month, year, nay century now" |
| 16:42.06 | gnuday | ardeon module keeps loading even though I have a nvidia FX5500. It's not in my xorg.conf |
| 16:42.26 | gnuday | oops "radeon" module |
| 16:42.34 | gnuday | ? |
| 16:42.34 | vilemaxim | NoReflex,Titan8990, sort of irrelevant for me now. I got to get back to work. Good luck NoReflex |
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| 16:45.43 | gnuday | radeon module keeps loading even though I have a nvidia FX5500. It's not in my xorg.conf. I've tried installing and uninstalling dkms and using various kernels upto 2.6.32-3 |
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| 16:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what module |
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| 16:47.57 | dmi3on | hey all |
| 16:48.08 | dmi3on | i cant unmount /dev/sda9 |
| 16:48.12 | dmi3on | neet to resize it |
| 16:48.17 | dmi3on | stoped ftp server |
| 16:48.20 | ham5 | lsof see whats using it |
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| 16:48.38 | dmi3on | there is nothing on /dev/sda9 except ftp user file |
| 16:48.46 | dmi3on | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions_p2 |
| 16:48.54 | Lazy^ | umount -l /dev/sda2 |
| 16:48.56 | dmi3on | thats what i am using to riseze |
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| 16:49.07 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 16:49.08 | dmi3on | :) |
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| 16:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | lazy unmount will not really unmount it, though but also wait for the using process to end |
| 16:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and fuser has easier-to-read output than lsof |
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| 16:51.42 | dmi3on | Now i get this: fsck -n /dev/sda9 ,fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008),e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 16:51.42 | dmi3on | fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda9, Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? |
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| 16:52.10 | dmi3on | umount -l /dev/sda9, returns not mounted |
| 16:52.14 | retrospectacus | running squeeze. http://paste.debian.net/70729/ HALP! |
| 16:52.15 | ham5 | read what cutme just said dmi3on |
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| 16:53.31 | NoReflex | dmi3on: try lsof | grep "mountpoint of sda9" |
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| 16:54.42 | dmi3on | lsof | grep "mountpoint of sda9", did that before asking here |
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| 16:54.46 | dmi3on | same thing |
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| 16:55.06 | dmi3on | <CutMeOwnThroat, fuser command not fund |
| 16:55.07 | dmi3on | :( |
| 16:55.24 | NoReflex | dmi3on: lsof should tell you which processes have files open |
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| 16:56.14 | dmi3on | NoReflex, isof returns nothing |
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| 16:56.26 | dmi3on | should i reboot ? |
| 16:57.13 | NoReflex | dmi3on: after reboot the partition willl be probably mounted automatically. you should comment the line from fstab regarding sda9 and then reboot |
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| 16:58.12 | Titan8990 | dmi3on: tune2fs can set it to be checked on boot |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | !forcefsck |
| 16:58.28 | valdyn | oo |
| 16:58.38 | Titan8990 | %forcefsck |
| 16:58.46 | ravenbird | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
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| 17:00.01 | dmi3on | i need to resize sda9 |
| 17:00.29 | dmi3on | if i do what you saying, i am not sure what to do next |
| 17:00.30 | dmi3on | :( |
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| 17:00.53 | ham5 | ha |
| 17:01.06 | dmi3on | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/46951-umount-media-cdrom0-device-busy.html |
| 17:01.10 | dmi3on | up |
| 17:01.11 | dmi3on | ups |
| 17:01.17 | dmi3on | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions_p2 |
| 17:01.26 | dmi3on | that what i am traying to do |
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| 17:03.03 | retrospectacus | just use gparted or something, don't need all that |
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| 17:03.25 | dmi3on | haha |
| 17:03.29 | dmi3on | i was using ssh |
| 17:03.31 | dmi3on | thats why |
| 17:03.37 | dmi3on | i was geeting its in use |
| 17:03.39 | dmi3on | Thanks all |
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| 17:08.18 | WierdAAR | Hello.. I can't get xsane to reconize my hp officejet 55g scanner, eventhough i have all the sane libaries and hplib.. I can use the printer but not the scanner |
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| 17:10.08 | digitteknohippie | wants to know if anyone has used debian live helper, so he can ask if a simple "lh config" and "lh build" will do pretty much the same thing as a "remastersys backup/dist"... or if it will give him a plain iso that has no resembelence to the existing system the commands were issued from. |
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| 17:11.15 | digitteknohippie | reading through the man pages, n it's not entirely clear to me if i need to issue a load of options after "lh config" |
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| 17:11.47 | dmi3on | i have new problem |
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| 17:19.20 | abrotman | greedo: sorry .. how did you make out ? |
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| 17:21.58 | EGreg | hey |
| 17:22.03 | EGreg | how do I see all the users and groups that have been registered |
| 17:22.10 | EGreg | like sudoers, staff, etc. |
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| 17:22.43 | Titan8990 | EGreg: cat /etc/passwd; cat /etc/group..... |
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| 17:23.14 | EGreg | okay |
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| 17:23.22 | EGreg | listen, how do I craete an init.d script? |
| 17:23.24 | EGreg | for php-fpm |
| 17:23.41 | abrotman | getent is probably better |
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| 17:23.48 | abrotman | EGreg: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 17:25.37 | themill | dpkg, wb |
| 17:25.37 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 17:27.20 | unixabg | Greetings, is it possible to assign unique ip addresses to multiple chroots on a debian system with the ipaddresses on the same subnet? |
| 17:27.31 | dmi3on | here is my problem: fdisk /dev/sda -> d, 9 (dev/sda9) -> n, l, 9 -> first default cylinder 353, i have on disk 7832 cylnders but can only enter number 522 why ? |
| 17:27.59 | themill | unixabg: networking is not influenced by chrooting |
| 17:28.36 | unixabg | themill, first thanks for your response. So I can not _override_ the host ip with chrooting? |
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| 17:29.51 | dmi3on | any one can help me please |
| 17:29.53 | Titan8990 | themill: won't it use the chroot's /etc/resolv.conf atleast? |
| 17:30.07 | dmi3on | i am trying to resize /dev/sda9 |
| 17:30.09 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 17:30.12 | themill | unixabg: each chroot can have different /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces so you can make one chroot use eth0, the next one use eth1 (or eth0:1 etc) so you can sort of fake it out. But the physical device is shared |
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| 17:30.15 | simonrvn | dpkg is back |
| 17:30.15 | dpkg | simonrvn: i haven't a clue |
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| 17:30.22 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 17:32.32 | unixabg | themill, I will show my networking skills (or lack there of) if eth0 192.168.1.1/24 and eth0:1 192.168.1.2/24 will 192.168.1.2 respond and listen respectively? |
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| 17:37.46 | jelly | dmi3on: pastbin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" |
| 17:37.57 | jelly | dpkg: hi |
| 17:37.57 | dpkg | privet, jelly |
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| 17:38.20 | jelly | dpkg: where have you been |
| 17:38.20 | dpkg | out drinking with the bots. |
| 17:38.25 | jelly | pfft |
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| 17:38.45 | krunk- | morning |
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| 17:39.31 | krunk- | I have a user account whose public key is failing. I'm looking for where this is logged to get an idea of why. I thought auth.log looks promising, but this file is empty on my machine |
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| 17:41.06 | dmi3on | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions_p2 i did exaclty what here except i used l instead of n logical/primery since i need to resize /dev/sda9 |
| 17:41.18 | dmi3on | i have total 7853 cylinders |
| 17:41.23 | jelly | krunk-: might want to start an sshd instance with debug options on a different port and let them try log in there |
| 17:41.31 | dmi3on | but can add more then 522 |
| 17:41.39 | dmi3on | so i get back were i was |
| 17:41.40 | dmi3on | :( |
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| 17:41.59 | dmi3on | any one can help me resize /dev/sda9 disk please |
| 17:42.11 | jelly | dmi3on: you already said that. Please privde data that was asked for. |
| 17:42.19 | jelly | provide* |
| 17:42.32 | dmi3on | jelly, sorry i missed what data |
| 17:42.48 | jelly | <jelly> dmi3on: pastbin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" |
| 17:42.51 | dmi3on | doing it now |
| 17:43.38 | krunk- | ssh -v ... seems to indicate the key is just passed over, but the same key is being used on another account and works |
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| 17:45.49 | dmi3on | jelly, http://pastebin.com/qJMN92vg |
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| 17:47.24 | qfr | I have a problem with fuse/sshfs. I added my user to the fuse group but I still get the following error when I try to sshfs: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied. crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 2010-03-29 13:58 /dev/fuse |
| 17:49.02 | jelly | dmi3on: what does fdisk say when a number larger than 522 is entered? does cfdisk work better? |
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| 17:49.30 | dmi3on | value is out of range |
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| 17:49.41 | krunk- | so I'm looking for the server side logs, I can't find logs for ssh or general authentication. sshd_config is set for SyslogFacility AUTH |
| 17:49.53 | dmi3on | jelly, i never tryed to use cfdisk |
| 17:50.11 | qwd | How come this command works --> cpaldjvu -colors 4 -bgwhite -verbose -dpi 72 page0001.ppm page0001.djvu <-- but this one doesn't --> for FILE in page00*.ppm; cpaldjvu -colors 4 -bgwhite -verbose -dpi 72 "$FILE" "$FILE".djvu; done |
| 17:50.12 | dmi3on | jelly, i should do same only use cfdisk command ? |
| 17:50.17 | jelly | qfr: "chgrp fuser /dev/fuse" will fix it until next reboot |
| 17:50.20 | jelly | er. |
| 17:50.30 | qwd | doh! I forgot do! |
| 17:50.31 | jelly | qfr: "chgrp fuse /dev/fuse", eh |
| 17:50.36 | krunk- | found it, /var/authlog.log. the authlog is not in /var/log :P |
| 17:50.53 | qfr | jelly: Hmm how do I fix it permanently? |
| 17:50.57 | qfr | fuse.conf? |
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| 17:51.24 | jelly | qwd: it's an udev issue, and I've seen it before... there's probably a bug report |
| 17:51.30 | jelly | !blame udev |
| 17:51.30 | dpkg | blames andatche and udev for the end of the world as we know it |
| 17:51.32 | qfr | Oh, I see |
| 17:51.48 | qfr | Well, this box is rebooted 1-2 times a year so it's not a big deal |
| 17:51.54 | Titan8990 | qwd: the last arguement your gribing is page0001.ppm.djvu |
| 17:52.05 | Titan8990 | s/gribing/giving/ |
| 17:52.30 | qwd | Titan8990: yeah, I had "${FILE/.ppm/.djvu} first but that didn't work so I simplified it and then I realized the "do" was missing :) |
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| 17:53.05 | dmi3on | jelly, how should i use cfdisk ? |
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| 17:53.25 | qfr | This is so odd though, jelly. It still mounts it as root:root with 600 |
| 17:53.28 | qfr | For everything |
| 17:53.33 | qfr | And I can actually read it?! |
| 17:53.34 | Titan8990 | qwd: I don't recall exactly what you want to do here, but I believe it will involve something like: ${FILE.%}.djvu |
| 17:53.41 | jelly | dmi3on: it's not rocket science, you'll figure it out |
| 17:53.49 | dmi3on | ok hehe |
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| 17:54.16 | khaije|amalt | so if my bluetooth keyboard's special keys dont work properly what system should i be looking at: keymap, console-data ... ? |
| 17:54.21 | dmi3on | so i fallow same instructions as on like "how to resize" only use cfdisk instead of fdisk |
| 17:54.24 | dmi3on | right ? |
| 17:54.33 | qwd | Titan8990: oh no, I solved it, working just fine now. Thanks though |
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| 17:55.06 | khaije|amalt | the alt, ctrl, and shift keys don't work properly when paired with other keys though with various testing i can see they are registering |
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| 17:58.37 | jelly | dmi3on: yes, delete the partition, create a bigger one starting in exactly the same place, the works |
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| 18:00.58 | dmi3on | hopes that he will not fuckups stored data |
| 18:00.59 | Titan8990 | hope dmi3on has backups |
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| 18:09.12 | qfr | hmm when I SSH in Gnome some program automatically asks me for the password to my private key and then it is cached for some time. Is there anything like this for a server I only have SSH access to? A commandline version? |
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| 18:10.42 | et | it's called ssh-agent |
| 18:11.11 | qfr | et: I presume that requires a manual call then first? |
| 18:11.14 | cahoot | keychain |
| 18:11.42 | et | qfr: you could put it into your shell startup |
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| 18:12.18 | cahoot | qfr: aptitude show keychain |
| 18:12.20 | et | qfr: but take care that you don't do it for scp/sftp connections |
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| 18:12.42 | qfr | et: Why not? I intend to use this for SFTP |
| 18:12.51 | qfr | Ohh you mean for connections to the server |
| 18:14.02 | helo | qfr: be sure to use keychain, and not ssh-agent directly ;) |
| 18:14.18 | qfr | Ok |
| 18:14.34 | et | there's nothing wrong with using ssh-agent directly |
| 18:16.25 | helo | if you want convenience, keychain provides more than ssh-agent alone |
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| 18:17.12 | Bop | anybody know in what version of debian , passing the parameter single at grub boot does not allow anymore one root shell without inserting password ? |
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| 18:19.17 | ham5 | you need the root password to login |
| 18:20.00 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 18:20.01 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 18:24.53 | qfr | I accidentally ran keychain instead of keychain id_rsa first - it just says " * Found existing ssh-agent (3160)" now. Does that mean it added it to ssh-agent? |
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| 18:26.24 | stefantalpalaru | hi! can you please give me a hint as to what can be causing this dpck unpacking error? |
| 18:26.25 | stefantalpalaru | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-egenix-mxtools_3.1.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:26.25 | stefantalpalaru | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.25 | dpkg | stefantalpalaru: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:26.34 | Dbug | h |
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| 18:27.59 | stefantalpalaru | the .dpkg-new suffix is used just for config files, right? |
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| 18:28.28 | valdyn | stefantalpalaru: in case you chose to keep your old modified version of that config file |
| 18:28.55 | valdyn | stefantalpalaru: or temporarily till you made the opposite choice |
| 18:28.59 | Bop | ham5, my point exactly ... cause there are some articles in the internet that says , its only needed to add single parameter to change root password |
| 18:29.00 | stefantalpalaru | but this is a .so library. why would dpkg try to back it up like a config file? |
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| 18:29.39 | valdyn | stefantalpalaru: your problem is that the directory does not exist... |
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| 18:30.08 | stefantalpalaru | valdyn, even if i create it by hand it doesn't work |
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| 18:30.37 | valdyn | judd: versions python-egenix-mxtools |
| 18:30.38 | judd | python-egenix-mxtools -- etch: 2.0.6-4; lenny: 3.1.0-1; sid: 3.1.3-2; squeeze: 3.1.3-2 |
| 18:30.46 | stefantalpalaru | sid |
| 18:30.56 | ham5 | I mean if they are at your box and know what their doing anythings possible rite? |
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| 18:31.08 | stefantalpalaru | and it's for any python package I try to install |
| 18:31.14 | stefantalpalaru | not just this one |
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| 18:32.01 | stefantalpalaru | I have reinstalled python-2.5.4-9 to no avail |
| 18:32.24 | valdyn | stefantalpalaru: verify again taht the directory exists |
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| 18:32.57 | Jouva | Is there a proper/easy way of having Debian auto mount an external HD for a system that isn't using any sort of graphical interface? |
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| 18:33.13 | valdyn | !ivman |
| 18:33.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when devices are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. |
| 18:33.30 | valdyn | Jouva: thats in debian |
| 18:33.33 | benny__ | what will i get with 3 cd's gnome ? |
| 18:33.36 | stefantalpalaru | valdyn, it doesn't exist, and if i create it by hand with mkdir -p it gets deleted during the install attempt |
| 18:33.44 | Jouva | points to "isn't using any sort of graphical interface" |
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| 18:33.58 | valdyn | Jouva: ivman uses a graphical interface? |
| 18:34.04 | Jouva | oh |
| 18:34.07 | Jouva | fff |
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| 18:34.14 | Jouva | I saw "gnome volume manager" sorry |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | and pmount ? |
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| 18:36.33 | benny__ | what windows managers will i get with 3 deb cd's ? |
| 18:36.55 | dondelelcaro | benny__: gnome |
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| 18:37.12 | dondelelcaro | benny__: though you can use the kde or xfce cds (or dvds) if you want something else |
| 18:37.14 | benny__ | dondelelcaro, does it have fluxbox ? |
| 18:37.31 | qfr | keychain / ssh-agent work for me now in that it asks for the password to my key but it asks over and over again, every time I run sftp - why is this? |
| 18:37.53 | dondelelcaro | benny__: the first three may, yes |
| 18:37.59 | benny__ | dvd's huge d/load ....i have limited net/net speed |
| 18:38.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell benny__ -about cd contents |
| 18:38.09 | dondelelcaro | benny__: so why download any of the cds? |
| 18:38.36 | benny__ | so i can apt-get when i have fast wifi |
| 18:38.49 | sthon | er |
| 18:38.52 | dondelelcaro | benny__: you don't need any of them; you can install directly off the net |
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| 18:39.16 | benny__ | dondelelcaro, do a net install cd have good wifi support ? |
| 18:39.21 | benny__ | does* |
| 18:39.28 | dondelelcaro | benny__: depends on the card |
| 18:39.34 | benny__ | atheros |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | which card? |
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| 18:40.01 | benny__ | proxim 8470wd |
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| 18:40.33 | abrotman | i meant the actual chipset |
| 18:40.37 | epifanio | Hi |
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| 18:40.59 | benny__ | i typed it ^ up there 'atheros' |
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| 18:41.35 | epifanio | i'm tring to enable compiz on my debian sid, i find this note : http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz but i haven't an xorg.conf file. what i need to do to enable advanced effects ? |
| 18:41.47 | benny__ | this card works with ath5k and ath_pci ....i dont know which is default with deb |
| 18:41.55 | benny__ | prolly ath5k ? |
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| 18:42.12 | abrotman | benny__: ah Lenny has ath5k, it may or may not work with that card .. If it does not, we can tell you how to get a newer kernel |
| 18:42.32 | benny__ | i got 5.02 |
| 18:42.48 | benny__ | just not got cd's to burn iso's onto yet :( |
| 18:43.27 | benny__ | thats stable version yeah ? |
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| 18:45.51 | abrotman | benny__: seems to be a pretty old card? might be supported out of the box |
| 18:46.11 | benny__ | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
| 18:46.22 | benny__ | yeah it works with most distros |
| 18:46.37 | benny__ | pcmcia card |
| 18:47.05 | benny__ | it has a external connector |
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| 18:48.20 | benny__ | i used deb a long time ago |
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| 18:48.35 | benny__ | but been awhile |
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| 18:49.58 | benny__ | abrotman, what kernel comes with 5.0.2 ? |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman | 2.6.26 |
| 18:50.08 | Titan8990 | benny__: 2.6.26 |
| 18:50.17 | abrotman | with many patches backported |
| 18:50.53 | benny__ | thats quite an old kernel |
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| 18:51.09 | dmi3on | jelly, using cfdisk, there is only delet and write |
| 18:51.20 | dmi3on | i can set starting silinder # |
| 18:51.26 | dmi3on | what should i do ? |
| 18:51.27 | Titan8990 | benny__: lenny freeze was in aug of 08 |
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| 18:51.49 | abrotman | benny__: there are backport kernels available .. |
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| 18:51.56 | abrotman | and unofficial installers with newer kernels also |
| 18:52.19 | Titan8990 | benny__: not quite as bad as current stable RHEL being .18 |
| 18:52.25 | benny__ | backports are newer newer software |
| 18:52.46 | benny__ | been a while sorry |
| 18:53.03 | benny__ | are backports official |
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| 18:53.39 | abrotman | semi |
| 18:53.50 | Titan8990 | they are supported here |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | they're going to be more official supposedly in the future |
| 18:54.06 | xente | does anyone here know how to configure freeradius with mssql support? I've already googled everything...I'm looking for someone who has done it before |
| 18:54.15 | Titan8990 | thinks more things should be moved from backports into volatile |
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| 18:54.42 | Titan8990 | xente: since you have to recompile it, you should as a freeradius channel |
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| 18:54.59 | Bop | ham5, that's not the point ... the point is some fellows write things without even testing ... single parameter will ask you for a root password, so no change passwd is possible |
| 18:55.02 | xente | no one is awake there |
| 18:55.06 | benny__ | volitile Titan8990 ? |
| 18:55.15 | dmi3on | if i delet sda9 with cfdisk and then write changings will i loss data |
| 18:55.17 | dmi3on | ? |
| 18:55.22 | Bop | ham5, on the other hand init=/bin/bash works |
| 18:55.31 | Titan8990 | !volatile |
| 18:55.31 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 18:55.51 | Jouva | valdyn: I installed ivman and read debian's Wiki page about it. I added the config to HAL as suggested in the "auto mounting" section, and even rebooted that system but it still won't auto mount |
| 18:55.56 | Bop | check this article ham5 -> http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub |
| 18:56.15 | Titan8990 | I think it should also be used for common desktop applications, such as web browsers and office applications |
| 18:56.41 | benny__ | when does debian stop supporting oldstable versions ? |
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| 18:56.43 | icebrain | Titan8990: why? why are they different from other apps? |
| 18:56.56 | benny__ | is there like a time limit |
| 18:56.59 | dmi3on | any one can help me please |
| 18:57.14 | Titan8990 | icebrain: they are often things that need to be newer versions more than other software, and often easy to backport |
| 18:57.46 | icebrain | meh, I think that's not really the purpose of volatile, but ok |
| 18:57.50 | Titan8990 | icebrain: for example, openoffice.org 2.x is close to non-functional to me, because I need to open .docx files |
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| 18:58.17 | xente | so, anyone else configure freeradius for mssql or iodbc before? |
| 18:58.19 | Titan8990 | icebrain: I know... I was just expressing my opinion on an extension of use for volatile |
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| 18:58.32 | Jouva | Bah. There it goes. |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | benny__: about a year after it becomes oldstable |
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| 18:58.57 | abrotman | benny__: or that seems to be the current trend |
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| 18:59.14 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:59.17 | benny__ | abrotman, what does debian class as oldstable |
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| 18:59.33 | Titan8990 | benny__: the version that was stable before the current stable |
| 18:59.37 | abrotman | benny__: currently that is etch (4.x) , which was the release before lenny |
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| 19:00.02 | benny__ | ok i ge confused with names and numbers |
| 19:00.06 | benny__ | get* |
| 19:00.12 | abrotman | !releases |
| 19:00.13 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 19:00.53 | benny__ | so what about security issues ..like patching updating ? |
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| 19:01.38 | abrotman | benny__: for which release? lenny? |
| 19:01.44 | benny__ | yeah |
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| 19:02.07 | Titan8990 | security patches are backported and come from the security repos |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | benny__: you'll have a repository for security updates .. if you're smart you'll either subscribe to the mailing list or the RSS feed and get the updates as needed, or just update every day |
| 19:02.37 | benny__ | like i installed debian tomorrow how would i know of latest security issue |
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| 19:02.43 | fas3r | i use postfix like a smtp relay. can i redirect outgoing mail to a mailboxdir and resend it from my domain ? |
| 19:03.06 | Titan8990 | benny__: debsecscan |
| 19:03.29 | abrotman | debsecan IIRC ? |
| 19:03.31 | benny__ | ok ill write that down |
| 19:03.32 | Titan8990 | sorry, debsecan |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | there's also the tracker of doom, and a few other tools |
| 19:03.49 | benny__ | Titan8990, where is best to read about this |
| 19:03.58 | abrotman | !tell benny__ about grounding |
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| 19:04.05 | abrotman | !tell benny__ about tracker of doom |
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| 19:04.20 | abrotman | !tell benny__ about selftell |
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| 19:04.23 | abrotman | preempts |
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| 19:05.23 | benny__ | i thought deb used a newer kernel though |
| 19:05.44 | dmi3on | i use fdisk i cant add cylinders to disk i have 7800 but have max 522 jylly told me to use cfdisk |
| 19:05.51 | dmi3on | can some one help me |
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| 19:06.02 | benny__ | it used 2.4 before like slackwre but both seemed to change to 2.6 at similar time |
| 19:06.29 | fruitwerks | runs 2.6.32.11 with KVM / OpenVZ |
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| 19:06.47 | benny__ | you installed from source fruitwerks |
| 19:06.55 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks either doesn't use a debian kernel or uses testing/unstable |
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| 19:09.09 | utente | hi guys, I run debian stable, OS on HDA. I plugged sda, sdb, sdc,sdd, sde in SATA channel, they can be seen by BIOS, but debian see only sda-sdd, sde is not seen. |
| 19:09.45 | utente | the hde is goon if i plug un sda channel |
| 19:09.53 | utente | is good* |
| 19:10.13 | utente | the sde is good if I plug on sda channel |
| 19:10.23 | fruitwerks | Titan8990, vanilla based with some patches ;) |
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| 19:10.42 | qfr | Strange - the Gentoo keychain asks me for a password when I launch it, the Debian one doesn't? |
| 19:10.46 | valdyn | utente: set your sata controller to ahci mode |
| 19:10.47 | qfr | Different variants? |
| 19:10.54 | ReverendDeuce | Maximum CPUs possible for Debian 5 x64... ? |
| 19:10.56 | SerajewelKS | are symlinks supported by dovecot? e.g. if i want to alias one mail folder to another, can i just symlink? |
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| 19:10.59 | utente | If I try ubuntu live cd, it is able to recognize and use all sda-sde drives. |
| 19:11.02 | fruitwerks | sde is probably on a raid / fakeraid |
| 19:11.15 | benny__ | i have another question ...with jigdo can you create a dvd from cd's ? |
| 19:11.45 | valdyn | benny__: not with alot of hacking |
| 19:11.50 | valdyn | benny__: not without alot of hacking |
| 19:11.51 | utente | fruitwerks: Mainboard can run 2 PATA drives, 6 SATA drives, plus 2 SATA in raid configuration, I am usin the 6 notrmal SATA channel. |
| 19:11.56 | ReverendDeuce | I have a server with quad Magny-Cours... meaning 48 cores. |
| 19:12.10 | ReverendDeuce | Will Deb5 just work or will I have to jack with the kernel? |
| 19:12.12 | benny__ | yeah valdyn |
| 19:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dmi3on -about installit |
| 19:12.49 | valdyn | ReverendDeuce: the cores arent a problem but you might need a newer kernel for the other hardware |
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| 19:13.45 | valdyn | ReverendDeuce: and use debian/amd64 anyway |
| 19:13.58 | ReverendDeuce | valdyn: Mkay. Good to know. Not to worried about the other hardware. I don't really need the 10gb NICs just yet. |
| 19:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much for my backlog... |
| 19:14.46 | valdyn | debian/amd64 should be ok for up to 512 or 1024 cores iirc |
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| 19:15.54 | ReverendDeuce | Debian 5 64-bit is different from debian/amd64? |
| 19:16.15 | ReverendDeuce | Sorry, I am really new to Debain. Mostly CentOS background here. |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | ReverendDeuce: theres no release arch like that |
| 19:16.44 | ReverendDeuce | Oh. Okay. |
| 19:16.46 | valdyn | ReverendDeuce: theres amd64 and ia64 |
| 19:16.58 | ReverendDeuce | ReverendDeuce: Right, x86-64 vs. Itanium. |
| 19:17.04 | ReverendDeuce | Er... that was to valdyn. :) |
| 19:17.12 | valdyn | ReverendDeuce: where ia64 is itanium and amd64 = intel 64 |
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| 19:18.18 | valdyn | pretty confusing but debian cant change arch names |
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| 19:18.39 | ReverendDeuce | No, I get it. The Debian-based appliance I am installing is x86-64, so amd64. |
| 19:18.44 | ReverendDeuce | Debian 5 |
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| 19:20.20 | qfr | The keychain on my Debian doesn't appear to work properly. I put the stuff from the man page for id_rsa into my .bash_profile. On Gentoo it asks for the password to the id_rsa right after launching bash - on Debian it asks me every single time I run ssh/sftp/sshfs, regardless of whether the key can even be used for this SSH operation :/ |
| 19:20.23 | Titan8990 | ReverendDeuce: debian releases are more commonly referred to by their codenames than numeric version numbers |
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| 19:21.58 | valdyn | qfr: what did you put into .bash_profile ? |
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| 19:22.16 | benny__ | is the source list in apt up to date basically uncomment the the repository i need |
| 19:22.19 | Titan8990 | qfr: it uses it everytime because it tries public key auth first. your system does not know the key can't be used for access into that system until it is rejected |
| 19:22.27 | qfr | valdyn: http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=423 |
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| 19:23.21 | Titan8990 | qfr: alright, then I suppose the real question is what you put in $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh |
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| 19:24.13 | qfr | Titan8990: It appears to contain ssh-agent data - I never touched any of those files manually |
| 19:24.20 | qfr | Those are managed by keychain, that is my understanding |
| 19:24.31 | qfr | Btw I did the same thing on my Gentoo box and it behaved totally differently |
| 19:24.36 | qfr | The keychain output is different, too |
| 19:24.42 | qfr | Gentoo appears to use a different keychain version |
| 19:24.48 | qfr | It says "funtoo.org" hmm |
| 19:25.46 | Titan8990 | qfr: I though funtoo was a spin-off distro? |
| 19:25.52 | dondelelcaro | qfr: honestly, I'm not quite sure why you're using keychain instead of just using ssh-agent |
| 19:25.52 | qfr | I have the same stuff in my Gentoo .bash_profile and it actually asks me for the key when I launch bash - not when I use ssh |
| 19:25.57 | Titan8990 | from the orginal creater IIRC |
| 19:26.10 | qfr | dondelelcaro: Isn't ssh-agent quite complicated to use? I have no idea how it works |
| 19:26.16 | dondelelcaro | qfr: nope, it's pretty simple |
| 19:26.41 | dondelelcaro | qfr: you start it, make sure that new shells source ~/.ssh/ssh-agent-info-hostname, then use ssh-add to add keys to it |
| 19:26.46 | Titan8990 | qfr: I think quite the opposite... ssh-agent is easy, keychain looks complicated |
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| 19:27.08 | qfr | Ok |
| 19:27.08 | dondelelcaro | (the main problem is that the current implementation of ssh-agent and keys in ssh doesn't properly handle more than 4 or so keys loaded) |
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| 19:27.43 | themill | dondelelcaro: doesn't ssh-add unconditionally ask for the passphrase for the key even if the key is already on the keyring? |
| 19:28.22 | qfr | themill that sounds... bad :| |
| 19:28.29 | qfr | Because that is exactly what I am trying to prevent? |
| 19:28.53 | themill | my memory is that's what keychain was designed to work around |
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| 19:29.14 | dondelelcaro | themill: yes, because it has to |
| 19:29.19 | dondelelcaro | themill: but it only does it once |
| 19:29.43 | dondelelcaro | themill: so the very first time that you start the machine, you add the keys, then you don't add them again |
| 19:29.55 | themill | dondelelcaro: ah... vague memories that it used to do it on every invocation, thus making it pretty useless to ssh-add in your profile |
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| 19:30.15 | dondelelcaro | themill: if you use ssh-add in your profile, you check to see if the key is added first before adding it |
| 19:30.24 | dondelelcaro | doesn't use ssh-add in his profile |
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| 19:30.51 | themill | dondelelcaro: ssh-add in lenny does ask for the passphrase on every invocation |
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| 19:31.07 | dondelelcaro | themill: again, that's why you only use it *once* |
| 19:31.18 | dondelelcaro | see #203700 for the problem I'm talking about |
| 19:31.27 | themill | dondelelcaro: that's pretty much what keychain solves. |
| 19:31.47 | dondelelcaro | themill: yes, but keychain isn't really necessary |
| 19:32.00 | dondelelcaro | (and if it's not working properly, then you've added a useless layer of abstraction) |
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| 19:32.06 | qfr | dondelelcaro: I presume you expect me to ssh-agent > ~/.ssh/ssh-agent-info-hostname? |
| 19:32.12 | dondelelcaro | qfr: no |
| 19:32.21 | qfr | What is ssh-agent-info-hostname? |
| 19:32.25 | qfr | I have no such file |
| 19:32.36 | qfr | What do I do with the ssh-agent output it prints to stdout? |
| 19:32.40 | dondelelcaro | qfr: well, actually, yes, that's what you do |
| 19:32.43 | qfr | Haha ok |
| 19:32.48 | dondelelcaro | forgot that ssh-agent doesn't write it by default |
| 19:33.21 | themill | dondelelcaro: I'm happy to have someone else write a pile of "is this key already added" code and just "keychain key" in my profile. |
| 19:33.37 | qfr | Identity added, cheers |
| 19:33.44 | streuner | dondelelcaro: you become old :-P |
| 19:34.09 | qfr | It works! |
| 19:34.12 | qfr | Screw keychain! |
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| 19:34.13 | dondelelcaro | if you want whatever keychain does, it's as simple as for keyfile in list of keyfile; do if ! ssh-agent -l | grep -q $keyfile; then ssh-add $keyfile; fi; done; |
| 19:34.16 | qfr | Thanks a lot everyone |
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| 19:34.30 | dondelelcaro | themill: it's all of five lines... |
| 19:34.44 | themill | dondelelcaro: "keychain foo" is one. *shrug* |
| 19:35.04 | streuner | dondelelcaro: have you look into mirror if your hairs are grey? ;-) |
| 19:35.21 | dondelelcaro | themill: if it works, I guess |
| 19:35.26 | dondelelcaro | (which it apparently isn't here) |
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| 19:37.41 | themill | dondelelcaro: does for me. no idea what the problem was there. Perhaps some differences in keychain or an odd config. |
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| 19:42.26 | Jouva | Hmm. I just added my DeskJet F4280 through CUPS, but doing "print test page" through it yielded nothing |
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| 19:43.17 | streuner | take a look into linuxprinting.org if you device is supported |
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| 19:43.55 | Jouva | I'd assume it should cause it identified it just fine |
| 19:43.56 | streuner | HPs are usually well supported |
| 19:44.55 | Titan8990 | yes, but make sure oyu have hplip-cups installed |
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| 19:45.14 | Titan8990 | the GUI is actually quite nice |
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| 19:46.21 | streuner | ravenbird, cups |
| 19:46.25 | ravenbird | the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:46.47 | Titan8990 | streuner: dpkg has been back for a while |
| 19:46.50 | Jouva | I hope it doesn't force me to use a GUI ;) |
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| 19:47.11 | Titan8990 | Jouva: you don't have to but I found it perfectly suitable for the task |
| 19:47.20 | streuner | Titan8990: well, i guessed that too, because dondelelcaro is here... |
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| 19:47.36 | Jouva | yea but it isn't when one's running it on a machine dedicated as a server :) |
| 19:47.38 | fas3r | i use postfix like a smtp relay. can i redirect outgoing mail to a mailboxdir and resend it from my domain ? |
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| 19:49.35 | StyXman | I have debian stable. I plug in a usb keyboard, I see the kernel messages that says that the usb subsys has seen it, but the console seems to not receive input from it |
| 19:49.38 | Titan8990 | fas3r: when you say resend you want to alter the From: field or just change where the email orginated (say, for SPF reasons)? |
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| 19:51.06 | Jouva | Next I have to see how hard it is to use sane and samba to make use of the scanner function as well :P |
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| 19:52.23 | Titan8990 | Jouva: I never could get my HP 1200 scanner to work... good luck! |
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| 19:52.27 | StyXman | Jouva: I remember doing it with cups and it was't quite a pain in the *** |
| 19:52.37 | Titan8990 | Jouva: (it was a known bug in my case though) |
| 19:52.45 | fas3r | Titan8990, sorry |
| 19:52.45 | StyXman | (given that the scanner is supported, of course) |
| 19:52.53 | fas3r | Titan8990, i try to sign with dkim mail where i dont know domain ( i mean not specify in dkim-filter) |
| 19:53.47 | sbrothy | I have a friend here who instaled debian lenny and in order to make the wireless work he appearently had to install the 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 kernel. Now he can't find an nvidia-kernel that matches his kernel number. Does he really have to compile the nvidia kernel himself? |
| 19:53.54 | Titan8990 | fas3r: I don't know anything about dkim, can't help |
| 19:54.20 | Titan8990 | sbrothy: this is what m-a is for, and why the wiki covers it extensively |
| 19:54.22 | fas3r | Titan8990, it's not a dkim problem actually i can do anything from dkim .. |
| 19:54.25 | Titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 19:54.25 | dpkg | i heard nvidia m-a is aptitude install build-essential module-assistant nvidia-xconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && aptitude install nvidia-glx && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia> |
| 19:54.26 | fas3r | it's on postfix |
| 19:54.27 | sbrothy | ok. thanks you. |
| 19:54.36 | sbrothy | *thank you darn it |
| 19:54.52 | Titan8990 | fas3r: alright, so back to answering my orginal question then |
| 19:54.57 | fas3r | :) |
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| 19:55.04 | Jouva | argh |
| 19:55.16 | Jouva | Is there a command line alternative to hp-setup ? |
| 19:55.36 | wonderwal | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 7.8%id, 0.0%wa, 31.5%hi, 60.7%si, 0.0%st |
| 19:55.38 | wonderwal | is that bad? |
| 19:55.45 | Titan8990 | Jouva: hp-setup just configures CUPS AFAIK |
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| 19:55.59 | Jouva | mk |
| 19:57.18 | Titan8990 | wonderwal: well, hi and si is unusally high |
| 19:57.33 | wonderwal | Titan8990: what are those |
| 19:58.31 | wonderwal | high interrupt |
| 19:58.31 | Jouva | Yeah I just tried to reinstall it in cups and no go |
| 19:58.32 | wonderwal | soft interrupt |
| 19:58.35 | wonderwal | :S |
| 19:58.43 | Jouva | Good news is that a bunch of new drivers showed up. Bad news is none were for deskjet |
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| 19:59.03 | Titan8990 | wonderwal: hardware and software interrupt |
| 19:59.14 | wonderwal | ksoftirqd is using 30% cpu |
| 19:59.45 | Titan8990 | Jouva: on many different platforms I have been able to find "close enough" drivers to work, in some cases even work better |
| 20:01.14 | fas3r | Titan8990, for example i send an email from toto@myisp.com . i send it on my relay smtp (postfix). i want postfix alter the mail to be send by tata@mypostfixserver.com and keep the reply adress of toto@myisp.com. |
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| 20:01.26 | fas3r | Titan8990, maybe it's not possible it's why i ask here .. |
| 20:01.30 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: uh... why? |
| 20:01.49 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: just have the From: header be tata@mypostfixserver.com and set Reply-To: appropriatley |
| 20:01.55 | fas3r | because dkim need to know the from domain |
| 20:02.10 | fas3r | to sign it |
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| 20:02.21 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: dkim only cares about the envelope from, which can be totally different |
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| 20:02.53 | fas3r | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 20:03.00 | Titan8990 | I was thinking it might be a job for domain masquerading, but no, its not |
| 20:03.04 | fas3r | so it's possible :) ? |
| 20:03.13 | ReeF | :) |
| 20:03.18 | dondelelcaro | err, nevermind; it does From: too |
| 20:03.23 | ReeF | Hi for all |
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| 20:03.44 | fas3r | dondelelcaro, yes it work on the from too |
| 20:03.50 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: anyway, if you want dkim, you send the message as From: blah blah, and then the server signs it using DKIM, assuming it came from a validated sender |
| 20:04.12 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: From: header rewriting is almost always broken, and not the way to do things |
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| 20:04.43 | Jouva | Titan8990: The problem here being that there's only one driver labeled "DeskJet" |
| 20:05.15 | Titan8990 | Jouva: its worth a try. at worst it will just spit out a bunch pages with gibberish |
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| 20:05.48 | Titan8990 | !qotd0 |
| 20:05.48 | dpkg | 22:42 <mortal5> ah ah! 22:42 * mortal5 hits ^c 22:42 <mortal5> lol it started verifying everything 22:42 <mortal5> ...it even asked for my green card |
| 20:05.56 | Jouva | That's the one I tried before I even installed HPLIP and it did nothing. Same after I installed it |
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| 20:06.22 | fas3r | dondelelcaro, so your advise is i create a key pair (pub/priv) for all domain i will use |
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| 20:06.38 | Titan8990 | ,versions hplip-cups |
| 20:06.39 | judd | hplip-cups -- lenny-backports: 3.10.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.10.2-3; squeeze: 3.10.2-3 |
| 20:06.47 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: or just use one domain, and send all of your mail through that server |
| 20:07.13 | Jouva | E: Couldn't find package hplip-cups |
| 20:07.24 | Jouva | I used the download from HP's site |
| 20:07.30 | Titan8990 | Jouva: its in lenny-backports... |
| 20:07.42 | fas3r | dondelelcaro, the problem is my server need to be just a relay |
| 20:07.48 | Jouva | I'm not sure if it'll help me much |
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| 20:09.17 | Titan8990 | Jouva: upstream software is typically not supported here. It probably won't help however |
| 20:09.29 | fas3r | dondelelcaro, i'm not the only person will use it so i can do something with postfix it's a good thing for me :) |
| 20:09.39 | fas3r | if i can* |
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| 20:10.18 | mirak | is there a channel to ask technical question about mdraid raid1 ? |
| 20:10.38 | Titan8990 | mirak: you can start here if you are running debian |
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| 20:11.28 | mirak | I was wondering if there is a way to tune raid1 reading like bsd can |
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| 20:16.38 | Arrowmaster | what can i use for configuring a gamepad? http://wiki.debian.org/Gamepad only mentions Kde users |
| 20:16.57 | SerajewelKS | typically, gamepad config is per-application |
| 20:17.07 | Arrowmaster | well i need to calibrate it |
| 20:17.28 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: "apt-cache search calibrate joystick" looks promising |
| 20:18.03 | Arrowmaster | that gave me nothing |
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| 20:19.04 | Titan8990 | ,versions jscalibrator |
| 20:19.06 | judd | jscalibrator -- etch: 1:1.5.5-1; lenny: 1:1.5.5-1+b1 |
| 20:19.31 | Titan8990 | sigh, testing users |
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| 20:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | Arrowmaster: Congratulations - your test has successfully found a problem with the "testing" release! |
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| 20:22.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah jscalibrator was removed because it uses gtk1.2 |
| 20:22.47 | Arrowmaster | and there is no replacement other than the joystick package which is hard to use |
| 20:23.19 | Arrowmaster | now if only i could get the deb for this from getdeb without having to install this other crap http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/jstest-gtk/ |
| 20:24.43 | SerajewelKS | host liszt.debian.org[2001:41b8:202:deb:213:21ff:fe20:1426] said: 450 4.2.0 <debian-security-announce-request@lists.debian.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted on liszt.debian.org. Try again later. (in reply to RCPT TO command) |
| 20:25.02 | SerajewelKS | wow that's awesome... liszt is greylisting its own addresses? |
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| 20:32.50 | Luyza | Debian does not use Xorg anymore, right? I ask because of wacom (But just give me yes or no) |
| 20:32.54 | Luyza | I mean xorg.conf |
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| 20:33.35 | Luyza | I am on squeeze |
| 20:33.52 | Titan8990 | It no longer requires a xorg.conf. it can still be used if needed |
| 20:34.00 | Luyza | The wacom works beside Pressure sensitivity, but when I look at help online, it says "put this in xorg.conf" :P |
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| 20:34.37 | SerajewelKS | looks like you have to write/generate one then |
| 20:34.41 | amphi | Luyza: perhaps you can use xinput? |
| 20:34.44 | Titan8990 | Luyza: X -configure :1; that will give you base to edit |
| 20:35.00 | Luyza | *besides |
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| 20:36.38 | Omar87 | Hi all. |
| 20:36.41 | Luyza | Should I, though? |
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| 20:37.10 | Luyza | Every time I have done that, I got problems (as in, no more X for you! Haha! *throws pie in Luyza's face*) |
| 20:37.18 | Omar87 | I'm thinking of trying Debian, but I'm not sure which image suits me best. |
| 20:37.26 | Omar87 | Any help pleasE? |
| 20:37.30 | Omar87 | please* |
| 20:37.33 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: if in doubt, the netinstall |
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| 20:38.12 | Omar87 | SerajewelKS, yeah, but I want to put it on my USB. Plus, I don't have a decent connection speed. |
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| 20:38.28 | Tommy_DO | Omar87: it also depends which architecture is best for your CPU and purpose. what CPU have you got? |
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| 20:39.01 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, Intel. |
| 20:39.20 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, I have a Toshiba Tecra A8 laptop. |
| 20:39.26 | Tommy_DO | Omar87: Core 2? |
| 20:39.36 | Snadder | Which file is a users crontab stored into? |
| 20:39.37 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: install to USB, or install from USB? |
| 20:39.46 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, Core due. |
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| 20:39.54 | SerajewelKS | Snadder: look in /var/spool/cron |
| 20:39.57 | Luyza | Ya know? If I do generate a xorg file, then can I just delete if it doesnt work? |
| 20:39.57 | Omar87 | SerajewelKS, both. |
| 20:40.05 | Tommy_DO | Omar87: Core Duo and not Core 2 Dou? |
| 20:40.06 | SerajewelKS | !tell Omar87 about usb install |
| 20:40.14 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: that will cover installing from a USB drive... but not to it |
| 20:40.24 | Titan8990 | Snadder: /var/spool/cron/crontabs as it says in the first sentence of the manpage |
| 20:40.44 | Snadder | Ok.. thanks. |
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| 20:40.52 | Tommy_DO | Omar87: If it's just "Core Duo" you should probably pick an i386 image. |
| 20:40.55 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, Core Duo |
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| 20:41.28 | Jouva | Titan8990: Well this is odd. I was able to find the right package for hplip (it was just hplip and not hplip-cups). It's significantly OLDER but DOES have the driver specifically for my series of deskjet |
| 20:41.39 | Jouva | However it still has issues w/ a test print |
| 20:41.42 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, yeah, that's what I'm gonna choose.. |
| 20:41.58 | Titan8990 | Jouva: doesn't print at all or prints incorrectly? |
| 20:42.05 | Jouva | doesn't print at all |
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| 20:42.16 | Titan8990 | Jouva: how is the printer attached? |
| 20:42.19 | Jouva | USB |
| 20:42.26 | Jouva | Right now it claims: error: Device is busy or in an error state. Please check device and try again. |
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| 20:42.33 | Jouva | And yes lsusb shows it just fine |
| 20:42.44 | Titan8990 | Jouva: dmesg show errors? |
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| 20:43.30 | jhutchins_wk | Jouva: try setting it up with cups. hplip has issues. |
| 20:44.00 | Titan8990 | has always used the hplip cups drivers... |
| 20:44.01 | Jouva | jhutchins_kc: Lemme see if I can get it to work NOW since it added more drivers |
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| 20:44.44 | Jouva | well sob |
| 20:45.11 | Jouva | I guess I needed to use the hplip drivers but then install it via cups |
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| 20:46.03 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, so any of these .iso's would work, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:46.15 | Jouva | Now for the fun part... Getting this to work with samba and getting the SCANNER to work |
| 20:46.22 | Jouva | (with samba as well) |
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| 20:47.05 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: no, you want the first one |
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| 20:47.29 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: it contains all of the base system debs. and i think it's the only one that actually contains the installer. |
| 20:47.36 | Tommy_DO | Omar87: If the machine, you want to install Debian on, has internet access during installation, netinst would be a good choice. |
| 20:47.46 | SerajewelKS | Tommy_DO: i think he said his net is very slow |
| 20:48.07 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: the first cd will at least get the system installed, then you can install what you want |
| 20:48.12 | Tommy_DO | SerajewelKS: Well, then CD-1 is a better choice. ;) |
| 20:48.16 | Omar87 | SerajewelKS, debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 20:48.18 | SerajewelKS | Tommy_DO: right |
| 20:48.20 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: yes |
| 20:48.30 | Omar87 | SerajewelKS, great. Thanks. |
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| 20:48.45 | aguitel | what about the bot ? |
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| 20:49.12 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: np |
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| 20:52.16 | Omar87 | Tommy_DO, actually, my connection speed is 512, but it sucks big time. Plus, these days internet is globally screwed due to cut/damaged internet cables in the Mediterranean sea. |
| 20:52.16 | iugrina | hi all. I need some help. I've set apt pining like this http://pastebin.com/m64syW13. What happens now is that certian package is blocked (needs new libglib) but apt installs its dependecies. How can I make sure that if certian package is blocked that apt won't install dependecies? |
| 20:52.33 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: use a mirror in your country then |
| 20:52.53 | Omar87 | SerajewelKS, That's ok. Thanks. :) |
| 20:53.03 | SerajewelKS | Omar87: :) |
| 20:53.05 | Omar87 | Thanks everyone. ^^ |
| 20:54.52 | karlpinc | Omar87: See also the apt-cacher package should you install on more than one box. |
| 20:55.04 | Titan8990 | iugrina: the safest thing to do is not use pinning |
| 20:55.49 | Titan8990 | iugrina: lenny-backports and manual backports from squeeze is much safer |
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| 20:56.43 | iugrina | Titan8990: well I'm quite aware of that but sometimes I want some packages that are in testing and I can't find them in backports |
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| 20:58.02 | Titan8990 | iugrina: then you manually backport them from testing |
| 20:58.06 | Titan8990 | !tell iugrina about ssb |
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| 20:58.18 | under | Hi, i've a problem. I've to enable webcam in a flash site (chatroulette) but the button 'enable' doesn't work. How can I fix it??? Thanks!! |
| 20:58.28 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: yeh, either use squeeze or lenny+backports. don't mix them. |
| 20:58.28 | Titan8990 | !pinning |
| 20:58.28 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 20:58.59 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: if you need even one package from squeeze, usually half your system will have to be upgraded anyway |
| 20:59.30 | Titan8990 | iugrina: in fact, from the case you just described, you could already be running squeeze |
| 21:00.20 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: for some small packages not |
| 21:00.35 | Titan8990 | yes, some packages don't really have any depends |
| 21:00.37 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: for a vast majority, yes |
| 21:00.49 | iugrina | Titan8990: squeeze doesn't have security pathces :? |
| 21:00.51 | SerajewelKS | you are still better off not mixing them |
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| 21:00.57 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: it does |
| 21:01.04 | Titan8990 | !tell iugrina moving target |
| 21:01.11 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: but if you didn't add that apt source, you won't get them |
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| 21:01.29 | SerajewelKS | !tell iugrina about testing security |
| 21:01.43 | iugrina | from debian.org "Please note that security updates for testing distribution are not yet managed by the security team" |
| 21:02.03 | SerajewelKS | mmm, right |
| 21:02.14 | SerajewelKS | so in other words, don't use squeeze if you really want security updates :P |
| 21:02.42 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: and now we're back at the beginning :D |
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| 21:03.40 | iugrina | I'm just interested if there is a way that with pinning i block dependencies I main package is blocked |
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| 21:04.37 | gotten | Hi, i've a problem. I've to enable webcam in a flash site (chatroulette) but the button 'enable' doesn't work. How can I fix it??? Thanks!! |
| 21:04.48 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: no, because that main package is not installable without its dependencies |
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| 21:06.05 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: ok. thanks |
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| 21:06.36 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: in other words, if you "hold" package X, then try to install a package Y that depends on a version of X greater than the version you have installed, you must either not install X, or upgrade Y |
| 21:06.46 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: there is no way around that, except possibly through backporting |
| 21:06.59 | SerajewelKS | erm, either not install Y, or upgrade X |
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| 21:07.13 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: well I'm aware of that but that's not a problem |
| 21:07.29 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: then i guess i don't understand your question :) |
| 21:08.36 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: Let's say that I've installed some program (mcabber) from testing and there's been update for that program that now requires libglib which I won't upgrade (is blocked) |
| 21:09.00 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: apt will still install all dependecies for new version |
| 21:09.10 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: hmm, if you mark libglib "held" will it still attempt the upgrade? |
| 21:10.01 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: no it won't. the package will be kept back. but dependecies will bi installed |
| 21:10.06 | iugrina | *be |
| 21:10.19 | mezod | hi i should install mysql on my server but i'm not sure on which package should i install, any clue? |
| 21:10.22 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: right |
| 21:10.36 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: this is a good reason to stick with lenny or upgrade to squeeze completely :) |
| 21:10.53 | SerajewelKS | mezod: probably the mysql-server package |
| 21:10.59 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: or make documentation of pinnig more resonable, or rewrite pinnig :D |
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| 21:11.14 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: pinning is working as expected |
| 21:11.16 | iugrina | *reasonable |
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| 21:11.22 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: it's your expectation of what pinning should do that is flawed |
| 21:11.41 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: might be :D |
| 21:11.57 | mezod | SerajewelKS is there any other package i should install together with mysql such as phpmyadmin or something like that? |
| 21:12.14 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: your explanation is still a bit unclear, but from what i understand you to mean, it's working as it should |
| 21:12.41 | SerajewelKS | mezod: what you should install depends entirely on what you want this server to do, and that's not something i can answer for you |
| 21:12.55 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: what part is unclear ? |
| 21:13.25 | mezod | SerajewelKS i want to administrate the databases but i am not sure if phpmyadmin is what i am searching for |
| 21:13.55 | SerajewelKS | mezod: i don't know either, because i don't know what you're searching for either |
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| 21:14.05 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: "< iugrina> SerajewelKS: no it won't. the package will be kept back. but dependecies will bi installed" |
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| 21:14.31 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: i don't know what "the package" is, which packages "dependencies" will be installed, or what package you have even attempted to upgrade |
| 21:15.21 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/AL0enZD0 |
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| 21:16.05 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: mcabber will be kept back, but libloudmouth1-0 will be installed (dependencies for mcabber) |
| 21:17.01 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: hmm, this doesn't seem to be a pinning issue, but a dependency resolution issue |
| 21:17.42 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: run "aptitude keep-all" and then try the dist-upgrade again, see what happens |
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| 21:18.56 | p9r3d | Hi debian lovers |
| 21:19.12 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: the same thing |
| 21:19.13 | ham5 | high |
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| 21:20.27 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: odd, dunno what to tell you |
| 21:20.46 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: well, I thing it's pinning problem |
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| 21:21.12 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: i don't, but ok :) |
| 21:21.30 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: what does "aptitude why libloudmouth1-0" tell you? |
| 21:22.37 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: it pretends it will install package so it first installs dependencies and after that checks if it will install main package |
| 21:22.56 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: at least that's what I think is behind |
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| 21:25.32 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: right, that's nothing to do with pinning at all. that's to do with how apt resolves dependencies. |
| 21:25.49 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: it is attempting to resolve dependencies before checking the package's hold status. that's not a pinning process. |
| 21:26.03 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: perhaps this bug has already been fixed in squeeze too |
| 21:26.17 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: ok. I meant that. so I won't blame pinning anymore, let's blame apt :D |
| 21:26.30 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/kY416Dmv |
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| 21:29.15 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: yeh, looks like an aptitude bug |
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| 21:31.11 | iugrina | SerajewelKS: ok. thanks again for the help. have fun |
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| 21:33.08 | SerajewelKS | iugrina: np |
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| 21:44.08 | LugarSivi | I'm trying to compile xfce4-artwork from git and I'm getting error: "No rule to make target 'xfce-rio.png', needed by 'all-am'. Stop." Any idea what to do? |
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| 21:44.40 | SerajewelKS | file a bug? |
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| 21:45.59 | Luyza | Debian squeeze does not use a xorg.conf file, does it? I ask, because apparently, I have to make one to config the Wacom tablet. But from my experience, when I auto generate a xorg config, X stops working, so.. ermm.. is it safe to create a xorg.conf just for the wacom? |
| 21:46.33 | homosilicium | Luyza: create a minimal xorg.conf |
| 21:46.44 | dondelelcaro | Luyza: it has a minimal one (and sometimes none) |
| 21:46.52 | dondelelcaro | Luyza: you can just add the appropriate serial section to get the wacom tablet working |
| 21:47.15 | homosilicium | yap |
| 21:47.25 | Luyza | homosilicium, so I can just make entries for the wacom, and then let Xorg detect everything else (vid card mouse, etc) every time I boot? |
| 21:47.37 | homosilicium | right |
| 21:47.52 | Luyza | Loveeelly, thanks so much :-) |
| 21:49.19 | SerajewelKS | Luyza: and if it breaks X, you can always just rm the config, so it's not exactly a dangerous undertaking |
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| 21:49.46 | mezod | i installed phpmyadmin for lighttpd on a dedicated server and checked the configuration on /etc/phpmyadmin . I'm not sure how to run it now or to access it from the broswer, any clue? |
| 21:50.09 | Titan8990 | mezod: clues can be found in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* |
| 21:50.13 | Luyza | SerajewelKS, Excellent, I don't have the time right now to be messing up the computer :P |
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| 21:50.19 | Luyza | Thank you everyone for the help |
| 21:50.31 | mezod | Titan8990 thanks! |
| 21:50.37 | SerajewelKS | Luyza: :) |
| 21:50.39 | Titan8990 | mezod: np |
| 21:51.00 | mezod | (i'm still not used to debian folder distribution) |
| 21:51.31 | Titan8990 | mezod: debian follows the FHS. If you want more information, the FHS is well documented |
| 21:51.34 | Titan8990 | !fhs |
| 21:51.35 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 21:51.52 | mezod | ok thank you |
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| 22:01.54 | mezod | Titan8990 if i am working with ssh to access the dedicated server how am i supposed to read the .php which all applications' explanations come with? |
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| 22:02.03 | SerajewelKS | mezod: with a text editor like nano, vim, or emacs |
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| 22:02.23 | SerajewelKS | mezod: if you haven't used command-line editors, nano is the easiest to pick up IMO, since it's mostly featureless |
| 22:02.29 | Titan8990 | well, if you need to see its generated content, then hosting it is the only option |
| 22:03.03 | Titan8990 | imagines the horrow of editing a 3000 line php file in nano |
| 22:03.08 | Titan8990 | horror |
| 22:03.16 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: i assume he needs to edit the phpmyadmin config |
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| 22:03.38 | mezod | SerajewelKS i was using nano but as i just wanted to get infoed wondered if there was a better way :P |
| 22:03.51 | Titan8990 | mezod: that better way is called "emacs" |
| 22:03.54 | mezod | well i am just reading what should i do next at the moment :P |
| 22:04.11 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: vim forever :P |
| 22:04.25 | Titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 22:04.25 | dpkg | zile doesn't deserve to be in any Linux distribution. |
| 22:04.50 | mezod | Titan8990 yes but thought of moving the whole /share/doc to the /var/www so i can execute it :P |
| 22:05.26 | SerajewelKS | mezod: that's where apache aliases come in handy |
| 22:05.35 | Titan8990 | or symlinks |
| 22:05.36 | SerajewelKS | mezod: the phpmyadmin package might have even set one up for you |
| 22:06.00 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: it does use some form of alias system, covered in the docs |
| 22:06.51 | mezod | ah i see |
| 22:07.05 | mezod | well at the moment i am enough lost with phpmyadmin |
| 22:07.28 | themill | Debian's apache packages come with Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" (don't know if lighttpd does too) |
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| 22:08.01 | SerajewelKS | (i hope this is not a production system) |
| 22:08.11 | Titan8990 | too bad it doesn't alias in a search box + algorithm too |
| 22:08.17 | Roasted | is there such thing as PPA for debian? |
| 22:08.31 | Titan8990 | I hope not |
| 22:08.36 | Roasted | I hope SO... |
| 22:08.48 | Roasted | its convenient as hell when it comes to tesing out software and whatnot |
| 22:09.04 | amphi | !ssb |
| 22:09.04 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 22:09.27 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: anyone can create a debian repo, so technically, yes |
| 22:09.38 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: there is no central index of personal debian repos though |
| 22:09.39 | Titan8990 | Roasted: it also makes it convenient for john doe to publish an extremely poor quality package that makes a mess of your system |
| 22:10.11 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: remember that any source you put in your sources.list essentially has root on your system |
| 22:10.14 | Roasted | Titan8990, you're absolutely right. But that's my choice to install that software or not, therefore solidfying the fact it is NOT a bad thing, but merely a choice to the user to install it or not. |
| 22:10.21 | Roasted | SerajewelKS, yeah I understand. |
| 22:11.14 | Titan8990 | Roasted: I can agree with that. Likely wouldn't be supported here however nor a good idea to ever actually use |
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| 22:11.25 | Roasted | Titan8990, I disagree. |
| 22:12.04 | Roasted | But we'll leave that subject at that. But I take it when I go to a web site that says PPA, basically on Debian I can't utilize that PPA at all, can I? |
| 22:12.15 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: you can |
| 22:12.27 | Titan8990 | you should not install packages meant for other operating systems |
| 22:12.33 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: but you would be foolish to do so if that PPA is for ubuntu |
| 22:12.36 | prahal2 | does anyone know where libdrm2 2.4.20 packages could be found ? pts and google shows it was accepted into experimental but it is nowhere to be found |
| 22:12.45 | Titan8990 | some it does not matter (ones with little depends), but others can be a disaster |
| 22:13.12 | Roasted | SerajewelKS, well some PPAs are found in the form of ppa:package/name. or whatever. I cant use that can I? Dont I need the actual deb https://blahblahblah lines? |
| 22:13.41 | SerajewelKS | Roasted: yes, but i assume that ppa: is just syntactic sugar. i don't know for a fact though. |
| 22:14.17 | Roasted | SerajewelKS, so more or less a PPA is simply a repo, and Ubuntu just keeps them separated for usability reasons, whereas on Debian I'd basically be adding the "PPA" repo direcetly to the sources.list accordingly. |
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| 22:14.20 | Titan8990 | Roasted: is there something in particular you are looking for? |
| 22:14.23 | themill | prahal2: accidentally removed and should reappear some time RSN, aiui |
| 22:14.46 | Roasted | Titan8990, Im just curious cause I use docky2 on my ubuntu machine and really dig it. If I ever get my debian rig going Id like to utilize docky2 on there since Im not a big fan of panels anymore. |
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| 22:16.21 | Titan8990 | Roasted: its not going to happen in current stable, but is available in testing |
| 22:16.45 | Roasted | Titan8990, meaning what? I cant add docky2 on debian stable? |
| 22:16.46 | Titan8990 | judging by the depends (libc6 >= 2.10) backporting will not be possible |
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| 22:17.00 | Titan8990 | Roasted: thats what it appears to me, yes |
| 22:17.36 | mordocai | Hello, my computer is currently attempting to boot up and stops in a prompt that says (initramfs). Do you have any idea how to fix? |
| 22:17.41 | Roasted | Titan8990, ahhhh I gotcha. |
| 22:17.59 | mordocai | (Sorry, it's debian stable) |
| 22:18.01 | Roasted | be nice if debian did have some sort of PPA system for those of us who like to utilize PPA software..... |
| 22:18.10 | mezod | i installed phpmyadmin fot lighttpd and my php is enabled (because websites are already running there). However, http://localhost/phpmyadmin gives me 404 - Not Found. Any clue? |
| 22:18.24 | mezod | hmm worcng channel >.< |
| 22:18.25 | Titan8990 | Roasted: if there was a PPA for that, it would basically upgrade your box to testing due to the depends |
| 22:18.27 | mezod | wrong* |
| 22:18.42 | Titan8990 | Roasted: although, the user may never know that this has occured, making it more dangerous |
| 22:18.58 | Roasted | Titan8990, it doesnt even give you a warning that youre upgrading from debian stable to testing? |
| 22:19.04 | themill | Roasted: if people find useful, they will write one. |
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| 22:20.18 | Titan8990 | Roasted: well, it would depend on the way the PPA worked. If it only included the docky applications and not the depends, you would have to manually add testing to your sources. However, if the PPA provided those depends from testing, your machine would upgrade without a "your changing releases" warning |
| 22:20.35 | Roasted | wow |
| 22:20.39 | Roasted | thats uh... kinda lame |
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| 22:21.35 | Titan8990 | on a side note, I do not think manually compiling and `make install` to /usr/local is at all bad... |
| 22:21.52 | themill | Roasted: by adding things to your sources.list, you are telling apt to trust those sources and to use them. If you didn't want to use those repos, you shouldn't add them. There's nothing lame about that. |
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| 22:22.36 | Roasted | themill, I understand that and completely agree with you. The fact that Debian doesn't notify me that my system is changing from stable to tesing is the lame part. |
| 22:22.59 | Roasted | There should be SOME sort of notification that upgrading to these dependencies will thereby change your system from the stable platform. |
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| 22:23.17 | themill | Roasted: how would it know? You're the one who edited your sources.list; you're the one that has requested each and every single step of that chain of actions. |
| 22:23.54 | Roasted | themill, I guess I assumed debian knew what was inside of it, and by upgrading from that list you'd thereby change the platform to testing. |
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| 22:24.19 | Roasted | I just expected better. Sorry if that sounds naive. |
| 22:24.19 | themill | Roasted: apt knows about the sources.list you give it. |
| 22:25.26 | Roasted | Ill just stick to debian on my servers then ;) |
| 22:25.27 | Roasted | thanks guys |
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| 22:26.21 | Titan8990 | Roasted: ubuntu does not function differently |
| 22:26.33 | Titan8990 | not in this case |
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| 22:26.56 | adac | how to remove an user including its home directory? |
| 22:27.05 | Titan8990 | adac: userdel -r |
| 22:27.12 | Roasted | Titan8990, meaning what? Ubuntu has the PPA thats provided by the software packager which ultimately gets me what I want. Debian does not support this, therefore how would Ubuntu *not* be different from Debian? |
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| 22:27.31 | adac | Titan8990, thx! |
| 22:27.45 | themill | Roasted: "[23:23] <Roasted> themill, I guess I assumed debian knew what was inside of it, and by upgrading from that list you'd thereby change the platform to testing." That behaviour does not differ with ubuntu |
| 22:28.14 | themill | If you stick random crap in your sources.list, you can expect a broken machine. Fairly simple. |
| 22:28.32 | Roasted | I guess Im just used to ubuntu saying, oh hi ther, youre on 9.04, would you like to upgrade to 9.10, at which point I say yes/no. |
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| 22:28.35 | xover | hi guys |
| 22:28.43 | Roasted | whereas on debian it upgrading to stable sounds like it was slipping it through the backdoor |
| 22:28.51 | xover | anyone help me on this, my macbook pro will only boot the osx cd, but not the debian one |
| 22:28.53 | Roasted | but whatever. I get what you mean. but like I said, we'll stick to servers for debian :P |
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| 22:29.06 | xover | it doesnt make sense, it shows the disk, but i cant boot to it, im using intel mac |
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| 22:29.55 | [Jasper] | hej guys, is there a way to get linux users from a database |
| 22:29.56 | [Jasper] | somehow |
| 22:30.30 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: getent passwd |
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| 22:31.22 | [Jasper] | Titan8990 I mean |
| 22:31.24 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: or you looking for something more like select * from users; ? :p |
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| 22:31.30 | [Jasper] | no |
| 22:31.40 | [Jasper] | I mean ...the debian system contacts a database to see which users can login |
| 22:31.42 | [Jasper] | mysql db.. |
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| 22:32.04 | mquin | [Jasper]: do a google for nss_mysql |
| 22:32.05 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: hehe, then my 2nd suggestion |
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| 22:34.43 | THE_GFR | so I have a debian system how do I set it to record the logs in a file from dd-wrt |
| 22:36.11 | Titan8990 | THE_GFR: check out the docs for rsyslogd (or install a different syslog daemon) |
| 22:36.20 | THE_GFR | uhhg |
| 22:36.29 | THE_GFR | need someone to walk me through it please |
| 22:36.29 | Titan8990 | THE_GFR: and of course, setting the ddwrt to use the syslog server |
| 22:36.41 | THE_GFR | Titan8990: thats the easy part |
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| 22:37.39 | [Jasper] | anyone got a clue if it's possible to log transfer statistics per user with proftpd? |
| 22:38.10 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: proftpd does that by default |
| 22:38.50 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: xferlogs; it also makes monthly stats |
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| 22:39.27 | Tramp | THE_GFR: I put a file in /etc/rsyslogd.conf, containing the 2 lines ":fromhost-ip, isequal, "192.168.11.1" -/var/log/routerlog;TFPRI" and "& ~". I remember the 2nd is to terminate processing (i.e. consider the log-line as done) and the first is pretty much self-explaining |
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| 22:40.24 | THE_GFR | Tramp: any place I can see an example of a log file? |
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| 22:40.55 | Tramp | THE_GFR: and the "TFPRI", iirc, is a format to log facility/priority with the message (which, again iirc, is explained in the documentation or even part of the default rsyslogd.conf) |
| 22:41.21 | THE_GFR | erg |
| 22:41.28 | THE_GFR | ok |
| 22:41.30 | Titan8990 | THE_GFR: there are existing files in /var/log such as messages that are wrote by syslog |
| 22:41.40 | THE_GFR | hmm |
| 22:41.54 | THE_GFR | my issue is how do I get it to log to a specific folder so I can see what they are |
| 22:42.38 | Tramp | oh, and you'd have to include the generated file in the log-rotation mechanism |
| 22:43.23 | THE_GFR | so am I just looking for a syslogd page of instructions? |
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| 22:43.47 | Tramp | oh, and in my first statement I meant "put a file in /etc/rsyslog.d/" |
| 22:45.11 | Tramp | you'd have to install the rsyslog-doc package. It comes with html documentation. Or check their homepage |
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| 23:01.44 | [Jasper] | guys anyone got any idea where nss-mysql logs too? |
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| 23:02.59 | aguitel | how to write this image :debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1 in the pendrive to boot with it? |
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| 23:03.45 | Luyza | So I was going to make a xorg.conf because of my wacom, but there is no x11 folder in /etc . Should I simply create it? :P |
| 23:03.56 | Luyza | (I think I posted this a few mins ago, but I got disconnected) |
| 23:03.58 | amphi | Luyza: yes, you can |
| 23:04.10 | Luyza | Alright thanks |
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| 23:05.08 | llua | aguitel, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 23:06.16 | aguitel | llua, thanks |
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| 23:07.49 | Sanitoeter | hey, what is the point of installing kdeartwork-theme-window? On Squeeze it contains /usr/share/doc entries only instead of additional window decorations |
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| 23:08.49 | aguitel | llua, this link is for live image ,but i talking about this:debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1 |
| 23:09.01 | aguitel | llua, this is not live image |
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| 23:09.37 | llua | aguitel, oh...was speed reading |
| 23:09.50 | llua | just reread what you said |
| 23:09.54 | llua | :{ |
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| 23:11.22 | [Jasper] | anyone got a clue to which log nss-mysql logs? |
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| 23:22.20 | ham5 | no clues here |
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| 23:23.28 | [Jasper] | hej guys, anyone got a cle how I can see if nss-mysql is working |
| 23:23.31 | [Jasper] | o where it goes wrong |
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| 23:26.27 | roe | Is there a way to set the text in the title bar of a gterm window? |
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| 23:27.21 | dbbolton | i have a printer that shows up in the cups web interface, but not in applications |
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| 23:31.16 | dbbolton | i tried to print a test page and ended up with this: Unsupported format 'application/vnd.cups-command'! |
| 23:31.35 | dbbolton | all bugs i've found seem to relate to guten print, but i am using an hpijs driver |
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| 23:34.15 | Titan8990 | Users of the CUPS printing system are advised to also install the hplip package, and use the hp CUPS backend to send data to the printer. --- in the package descriptions... but hplip is not "Recommends" |
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| 23:38.30 | Aft3rglow | Does anyone know anything about preseeding? I'm trying to PXE into a preseeded install, I can see that the installer is getting the preseed file but it errors out on bad mirror even if I don't specify the mirror in the preseed file? |
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| 23:39.02 | Titan8990 | Aft3rglow: maybe network configuration is bad or failing |
| 23:39.25 | Aft3rglow | Titan8990 if I drop to a shell i can wget so I think that part at least is ok |
| 23:39.35 | [Jasper] | Titan8990 |
| 23:39.43 | Aft3rglow | it could be trying to use the mirror specific in next-server dhcp maybe? |
| 23:39.43 | [Jasper] | do you know what encoding nss-mysql expects? |
| 23:40.19 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: no idea |
| 23:40.39 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: tried utf-8? |
| 23:40.42 | Aft3rglow | plus with no mirror in the preseed file I assume it should prompt me for one before saying it is bad |
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| 23:40.50 | Chris___ | Flash player basically sets my CPU/GPU on fire. Ideas/suggestions? |
| 23:40.57 | [Jasper] | yeah it is utf-8 |
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| 23:41.05 | [Jasper] | wonder if it's password or md5 etc |
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| 23:41.24 | Titan8990 | [Jasper]: your trying to recover a password? |
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| 23:42.52 | [Jasper] | no |
| 23:43.00 | [Jasper] | trying to setup nss-mysql.. |
| 23:43.03 | [Jasper] | keep getting failed password.. |
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| 23:45.17 | dbbolton | Titan8990: i have hplip installed |
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| 23:46.37 | Aft3rglow | Titan8990: any other ideas on the preseeding front? i'm a bit stuck just trying to pcap the traffic but vmware being a pain as per norm |
| 23:47.23 | Titan8990 | Aft3rglow: no, I don't have much experience with preseeding, i was just throwing out an idea |
| 23:47.46 | Aft3rglow | np, frankly i'm not sure it is even making the right requests but pcap will show that |
| 23:47.57 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: tell adobe to optimize better? |
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| 23:48.13 | Chris___ | SerajewelKS: I'll send them an email. Any other suggestions? |
| 23:48.26 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: not really. it's not open-source so you can't tinker with it. |
| 23:48.46 | Chris___ | It sucks, cause I love to listen to Pandora while I work, but it makes my laptop run the fans way up, and kills my battery life effectively |
| 23:49.22 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: i notice a drop in CPU if i minimize the browser window containing the player... |
| 23:49.24 | Aft3rglow | Chris___ not that it helps but i've never really seen flash work very well in linux :/ |
| 23:50.07 | pipeline | Chris___: get a flashblock script |
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| 23:50.21 | Chris___ | SerajewelKS: what browser? I use Chrome. I've never looked for a drop in CPU usage, though. Is that just alt-tab'ing to another window, or actually minimizing it? |
| 23:50.33 | pipeline | Chris___: opera, mozilla, firefox all have javascript things that will replace flash applets with a big "play" button, so that flash doesn't have to be loaded unless you REALLY want to see something. |
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| 23:50.38 | Chris___ | pipeline: but Pandora uses flash to play... |
| 23:50.39 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: minimizing it. and it depends on the browser. (i use iceweasel) |
| 23:50.44 | pipeline | Chris___: I imagine that chrome has such a thing too |
| 23:50.49 | Chris___ | hm |
| 23:50.52 | Chris___ | goes to try this |
| 23:50.56 | pipeline | Chris___: now yes, when you have flash running, it is going to set your CPU on fire |
| 23:51.09 | pipeline | Chris___: but with flashblock at least you can avoid running flash for shit you don't care about (e.g. punch the monkey banner ads) |
| 23:51.13 | Aft3rglow | ok, ignoring preseeding totally for a second. Why is it when I PXE boot into the installer I answer the first few questions and then it says bad mirror without even asking me? this is with no preseed.cfg at all |
| 23:51.43 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: i used to use pandora. now i have an icecast+mpd setup so i can listen to my own music from anywhere with just vlc or something |
| 23:51.45 | Chris___ | holy hell it triples the processor usage / reduces it by 3 times, when I minimize it |
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| 23:51.54 | Chris___ | thanks for the tip SerajewelKS :) |
| 23:51.57 | SerajewelKS | Chris___: np |
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| 23:54.59 | will | flashblock is need only for the adobe flash plugin |
| 23:55.13 | will | needed* |
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