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| 00:05.16 | [Jasper] | is there anyone here actually using libnss ? |
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| 00:07.19 | ranix | !anyone |
| 00:07.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:09.05 | wald0 | does "nice" affect to the disk I/O or only the cpu usage ? im searching something for "renice" tasks that will affect specially teh disk usage (where is my big lag there) |
| 00:09.39 | Aft3rglow | wald0: ionice ? |
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| 00:10.46 | Aft3rglow | < fixed his preseeding issue :D |
| 00:11.34 | Aft3rglow | seems possibly 'bad archive mirror' was related to having wrong one of pxelinux.0, linux or initrd.gz as refreshing those from the netboot section of the downloads seems to have fixed the issue |
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| 00:14.04 | TUXXXX | gn guys |
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| 00:19.49 | wald0 | thanks Aft3rglow, just what i need :) |
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| 00:20.32 | krambiorix | hi guys |
| 00:21.13 | krambiorix | i installed openoffice.org ( 476 MB) with apt-get and when i want to remove it, its only 500KB, what's going on? |
| 00:21.59 | JairunCaloth | Having trouble installing binary nvidia drivers http://pastebin.com/BYqwT6DD anyone have any thoughts? |
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| 00:24.07 | JairunCaloth | krambiorix: how did you remove it? |
| 00:24.51 | krambiorix | apt-get remove openoffice.org then afterwards apt-get remove openoffice.org --purge |
| 00:24.57 | krambiorix | JairunCaloth |
| 00:25.51 | Aft3rglow | krambiorix: you could try apt-get autoremove |
| 00:25.54 | JairunCaloth | shouldn't it be apt-get purge ? |
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| 00:26.12 | Aft3rglow | cos its probably left all the openoffice-common stuff behind that was taking up all the space |
| 00:26.33 | krambiorix | Aft3rglow that does the trick for 107MB |
| 00:26.37 | JairunCaloth | yeah, and mebe stuff it depended on |
| 00:26.39 | will | why not using synaptic? |
| 00:26.59 | krambiorix | will: debian server |
| 00:27.05 | lifestream | Hmmm, I am setting up xorg.conf for a wacom (yup, it's me again!) but... does it work for hot plugging the wacom? I mean, xorg is read when starting X, but my wacom is not plugged in before I boot |
| 00:27.11 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: do you have any dodgy repos installed or kernel updates held back/pinned ? |
| 00:27.16 | krambiorix | thx a lot guys! |
| 00:27.52 | Tramp | krambiorix: in the future, use aptitude to have packages correctly flagged as "automatically installed". Thus when removing a metapackage (like openoffice.org) the stuff it pulled in gets removed correctly |
| 00:28.02 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: debian-multimedia.org but I've been having this problem before I started using it |
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| 00:28.33 | JairunCaloth | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 00:28.34 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: are you configured to pull from non-free ? |
| 00:28.39 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: yup |
| 00:28.45 | JairunCaloth | what's the -trunk- ? |
| 00:29.06 | krambiorix | Tramp: how can i flag them? |
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| 00:29.46 | JairunCaloth | Tramp: is this why aptitude is > then apt-get ? |
| 00:29.57 | salviaa | plis i need help, mysar erro of log =\ |
| 00:29.58 | Tramp | one of the reaseons, yes |
| 00:30.14 | Tramp | !tell JairunCaloth -about why aptitude |
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| 00:30.20 | JairunCaloth | I've gotten so used to the syntax of apt-get that I've never bothered with aptitude |
| 00:30.42 | JairunCaloth | nice |
| 00:30.55 | Tramp | krambiorix: man aptitude, search for "markauto". But you don't want to do that yourself |
| 00:30.55 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: not sure in that context, if you apt-cache search for that package (nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64) does it find it? |
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| 00:32.29 | salviaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.29 | salviaa | Exiting ... |
| 00:32.47 | eradiate | where does ubuntu load up the iptables rules when it first starts.. i've checked in the /etc/ for any hits and looked in the rc dir but can't seem to find it |
| 00:33.00 | eradiate | is there a standard place where the iptables are getting saved? |
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| 00:33.26 | Tramp | eradiate: maybe #ubuntu knows? |
| 00:33.38 | salviaa | Exiting ... |
| 00:33.40 | salviaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.42 | JairunCaloth | odd... |
| 00:34.38 | JairunCaloth | I'm going to try switching to linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 and see what shakes out |
| 00:34.40 | JairunCaloth | brb |
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| 00:35.45 | Aft3rglow | salviaa: what does 'grep cache_access_log /etc/squid/squid.conf' output? |
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| 00:37.49 | JairunCaloth | no dice |
| 00:38.11 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: if you apt-cache search for the package it can't install does it show up? |
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| 00:39.01 | lifestream | OK so I added wacom to xorg.conf, BUT since I do not have wacom plugged in when I boot computer.... Once I hot plug it, will the Xorg settings apply? |
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| 00:39.32 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: yes |
| 00:39.48 | salviaa | you do not know mysar? Aft3rglow |
| 00:40.13 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: apt-get install it ? :) |
| 00:40.28 | Aft3rglow | salviaa: what does 'grep cache_access_log /etc/squid/squid.conf' output? |
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| 00:40.42 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: fails the same way :-p |
| 00:40.50 | JairunCaloth | hrm... aptitude spits this out... |
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| 00:40.51 | JairunCaloth | xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-2 which is a virtual package |
| 00:41.07 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: fubar :) use the binary driver off the nvidia website |
| 00:41.15 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: tempting |
| 00:41.39 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: i've run it in debian and ubuntu and not had any issues except having to kick it every time they push a new kernel |
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| 00:42.09 | salviaa | Aft3rglow this is a mistake when I'll run the script mysar-importer |
| 00:42.14 | salviaa | is error |
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| 00:42.32 | salviaa | ERROR: squid log file( /var/log/squid/access.log) does not exist! |
| 00:42.32 | salviaa | Exiting... |
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| 00:42.59 | salviaa | anyone ever seen this error? |
| 00:43.02 | JairunCaloth | Aft3rglow: yeah... but I hate doing that |
| 00:43.22 | Aft3rglow | salviaa: no but it sounds like either you don't have squid installed properly or you have the log in a different place |
| 00:43.52 | Aft3rglow | JairunCaloth: yeah its a pain but my work pc needs the legacy 173 driver and the version in repo doesn't work so I don't have much choice |
| 00:44.08 | dbbolton | i can successfully print a test page from the cups web interface, but applications like okular do not see my printer. what could be the problem? |
| 00:44.12 | JairunCaloth | I havn't had to do that in years. |
| 00:44.29 | JairunCaloth | back when the only driver in the ubuntu repos was the nv |
| 00:44.47 | JairunCaloth | and I was a noob |
| 00:44.58 | JairunCaloth | I learned my way around the xorg.conf pretty fast :-p |
| 00:45.07 | salviaa | Aft3rglow, it's all configured correctly he is logging into the database all right but when I import the logs from / var / log / squid / access.log him of this error msg |
| 00:45.22 | Aft3rglow | it sounds a lot like the package is broken but then you'd think they would have noticed that so who knows |
| 00:45.52 | Aft3rglow | salviaa: right so does /var/log/squid/access.log exist? |
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| 00:47.16 | salviaa | yes Aft3rglow |
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| 00:48.33 | salviaa | which will be the problem ? |
| 00:48.37 | salviaa | Aft3rglow, =\ |
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| 00:50.41 | lifestream | Erm... doesn't xorg have a log? Isn't it in /var/log/Xorg.log? I did a locate on it and didn't find it |
| 00:51.49 | Tramp | Xorg.0.log |
| 00:51.54 | Lutorius | how do I refresh fonts after installing without restarting X |
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| 00:52.13 | lifestream | thanks Tramp |
| 00:52.20 | Tramp | yw |
| 00:52.22 | Lutorius | I would have thought 'fc-cache -fv' would have done it, but it doesn't appear so |
| 00:52.25 | Blizakster | Hey |
| 00:52.48 | Blizakster | Is there a way to connect to irc.gamesurge.net with this stupid app? Lol |
| 00:53.14 | Blizakster | It says irc I'd assume we could use it as such |
| 00:53.17 | Blizakster | Oh |
| 00:53.25 | Blizakster | Btw I'm on an iPhone app... |
| 00:53.39 | Blizakster | Yea nevermind |
| 00:53.42 | lifestream | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.44 | Aft3rglow | salviaa: if the access.log exists I can only assume it is a permissions issue |
| 00:53.46 | lifestream | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.58 | Blizakster | It doesn't work |
| 00:54.07 | Blizakster | /server irc.gamesurge.net |
| 00:54.21 | Blizakster | /connect irc.gamesurge.net |
| 00:54.24 | Blizakster | Nada |
| 00:54.29 | lifestream | Blizakster, I think #mac would be a nice place to ask :P (assuming it's a apple app) |
| 00:54.40 | Blizakster | Oh good point lol |
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| 00:54.52 | Blizakster | I just like Linux :d |
| 00:54.56 | Blizakster | Brb |
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| 00:55.06 | lifestream | Understandable :P |
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| 00:55.43 | Blizakster | Eh nvm |
| 00:55.56 | Blizakster | I guess I could just ask my main question here |
| 00:56.01 | fas3r | if i send an email from toto@idontknowdomainname.com . i send it on my relay smtp (postfix). can postfix alter the mail to be send by toto@mypostfixserver.com and keep the reply adress of toto@idontknowdomainname.com ? |
| 00:56.10 | salviaa | Aft3rglow, yes i ran the command chmod-R 777 in the directory where this squid logs and changed the ownership of the |
| 00:56.48 | Blizakster | Does ubuntu 9.04 disk come with ssh server ? Or well how do I access the disks extra packages? |
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| 00:57.25 | lifestream | Blizakster, join the #ubuntu channel, troll :>O |
| 00:57.34 | Blizakster | I know there's some command line stuff to access the disk but I forgot it and I have no Internet right now {on iPhone} |
| 00:57.40 | Blizakster | Lmao |
| 00:57.49 | Blizakster | Grr |
| 00:58.04 | Blizakster | I'm in a stupid iPhone app it only let's me join preset channels |
| 00:58.08 | lifestream | Yeah, ubuntu is always too busy, i bet it would be too heavy for the iphone.. hmmm |
| 00:58.22 | Blizakster | This is actually a very lite app |
| 00:58.40 | Blizakster | But this question is probably the same for devian |
| 00:58.48 | Blizakster | Debian* |
| 00:58.54 | Blizakster | Not if the package is there |
| 00:58.54 | lifestream | Yes I think it comes with ssh server, but ofc, you got to install and enable it yourself\ |
| 00:59.32 | Blizakster | I don't know where the "uninstalled" packages are lmao |
| 00:59.41 | Blizakster | I don't know how to explain |
| 00:59.49 | Blizakster | I have no Internet at the moment |
| 00:59.52 | lifestream | You can't do /join #ubuntu? Just type it on the area you're using to chat with us |
| 01:00.03 | Blizakster | Yea I am familiar with irc |
| 01:00.09 | salviaa | Aft3rglow, what permissions should not give this right ? |
| 01:00.10 | Blizakster | But it doesn't work |
| 01:00.22 | Blizakster | /join #ubuntu |
| 01:00.34 | Blizakster | It just sends it.. |
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| 01:01.15 | Blizakster | Oops>.> |
| 01:01.21 | lifestream | It seems like it makes you quit the current channel, and join the new one:P |
| 01:01.29 | Blizakster | No lol |
| 01:01.32 | Blizakster | It doesn't work |
| 01:01.36 | Blizakster | I accedently left |
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| 01:02.01 | Blizakster | Wait I think I figured it out |
| 01:02.17 | Blizakster | /connect irc.gamesurge.net |
| 01:02.20 | Blizakster | nope |
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| 01:12.44 | Luyza | I'm trying to config Xorg, for the wacom, and one of the things I need is that it be in Relative Mode. But the xorg doesn't seem to be "applied". Here is the config: http://pastebin.org/183197 |
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| 01:16.56 | Luyza | I don't see anything wrong on it |
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| 01:27.19 | Luyza | or, could someone recommend a better place for me to ask that question? |
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| 02:03.44 | Lutorius | why is fc-cache -fv not updating my fonts |
| 02:04.26 | crazygir | I have a wireless (cell) pcmcia card which connects via pptp, and then want to make pptp vpn connections, but initiating the vpn disconnects the modem.. |
| 02:04.57 | crazygir | happens in windows too, so I'm wondering if it is even physically possible? |
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| 02:05.08 | crazygir | seems silly not to be able to.. |
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| 02:12.53 | JairunCaloth | arrrgh... |
| 02:13.01 | JairunCaloth | hulk smashes the nvidia drivers |
| 02:13.08 | hamilton5 | work good for me |
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| 02:13.35 | hamilton5 | everyone they have released for the last 8mo or so no problems |
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| 02:13.49 | Lutorius | Why can't xlsfonts or xfontsel see fonts I put in ~/.fonts |
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| 02:13.54 | SerajewelKS | wow, i forgot how utterly terrible thunderbird/icedove's thread algorithm is. it consistently chooses the wrong parent messages for other messages... |
| 02:15.13 | hamilton5 | user error;) |
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| 02:31.28 | Luyza | Can someone check in their system? When I want to install wacom-tools, it wants to uninstall xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 02:31.34 | Luyza | THAT doesn't seem right |
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| 02:37.32 | Luyza | Do you think I should try it? :P |
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| 02:40.45 | hamilton5 | all is just a meta package for all of them |
| 02:40.56 | hamilton5 | and tools must replace the xorg input driver or something |
| 02:40.57 | hamilton5 | huh |
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| 02:42.25 | hamilton5 | my wacom tools recommends the xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
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| 02:46.14 | samc | Folks, a question about debian mirrors .. I see that recently the dists/<release>/binary-<arch>/Packages file was released, and now only the .gz and .bz2 files are there |
| 02:46.49 | samc | The Release file in /dists/<release>/ still lists a Packages file though, and this confuses debmirror .. is that intentional, or an oversight? |
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| 02:48.44 | samc | Hrm, maybe that's not what's confusing debmirror actually .. the checksum in Release is correct for the file that's there |
| 02:48.56 | samc | Never mind, I'll keep looking :p |
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| 02:57.03 | hamilton5 | think your the only confused one. |
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| 03:10.01 | JairunCaloth | hrm... debian netinstaller doesn't like my wireless usb keyboard |
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| 03:10.22 | JairunCaloth | which is unfortunate. Since my atom box only has usb ports and it's my only usb keyboard |
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| 03:12.32 | JairunCaloth | bleh, can't install debian till it's fixed |
| 03:13.14 | hamilton5 | cant cha pack a custom kernel on one of them? |
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| 03:13.37 | scrote | hi |
| 03:13.52 | scrote | how can i apt-get remove a program but keep its dependancies ? |
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| 03:14.29 | JairunCaloth | hamilton5: that's a lot of effort... |
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| 03:15.01 | hamilton5 | better go get you a 8$ cheepo usb mouse |
| 03:15.34 | JairunCaloth | mouse doesn't get me installed :-p |
| 03:15.37 | chops1 | So this is becoming a regular feature here on #debian... the part where I come in and whine about how my LDAP (Active Directory) isn't working for some app or other. protftpd it is, this time (seems like PAM is the way to go, but proftpd seems to have trouble binding via kerberos for some reason; samba is working fine). Anyone have any advice (not that they do any other time I ask)? </bitter> |
| 03:16.31 | hamilton5 | forgot your opening bitter tag |
| 03:16.45 | chops1 | hamilton5: Opening bitter tag was many months ago, thanks :-) |
| 03:18.26 | edju | can't get terminals w/ ctrl-altf1 etc, though f7 gets me back to x. relevant entries in inittab at http://pastebin.com/3T9PDFiF. any problems there? |
| 03:18.49 | hamilton5 | f8 ? |
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| 03:19.40 | chops1 | edju: Any getty in ps -Af? |
| 03:20.27 | edju | chops1, yes 1 thru 6 |
| 03:22.04 | chops1 | edju: Bad state in your graphics hardware would be my best guess. Are you using framebuffer console? Any fancy or binary drivers for X? What kernel version? |
| 03:23.45 | chops1 | Does anyone know how to easily test login to a particular PAM service? If I could do that (if there were a way to say "pam_login_to proftpd" and try a username and password), I could at least narrow down if PAM or proftpd is the problem. |
| 03:24.11 | sernin | chops1: checkpassword-pam -- part of runit-run |
| 03:25.03 | chops1 | sernin: Hm, I'll not install this on this production server blindly :-). I'll plan to compile a local copy and try it from there. Thanks! |
| 03:25.23 | sernin | chops1: Yeah, best not. Grab the source and in the makefile you have to change -lmisc to -lpam |
| 03:25.45 | sernin | chops1: It might be a little sketchy, it's old, but it should work. |
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| 03:26.31 | edju | chops1, 2.6.32-3-686 kernel, got the nvidia modules from sid, I think, and running squeeze. |
| 03:26.35 | chops1 | sernin: What the hell, at least one more piece of software I'm not sure what it's doing will add some interesting variety to the equation :-) |
| 03:27.34 | Luyza | Should I go with this? Apt-get problem (stupid!) http://pastebin.org/183629 |
| 03:27.43 | chops1 | sernin: I don't see -lmisc in the makefile (either for etch, which this server runs, or sid) |
| 03:27.58 | hamilton5 | do it! |
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| 03:28.07 | Gm4n | hey guys, any idea how one would get audio to work via HDMI? I have ALSA 1.0.22.1 via lenny-backports (or libasound 1.0.22.1, whichever you'd rather call it) |
| 03:28.08 | hamilton5 | then reinstall input-wacom |
| 03:28.19 | chops1 | edju: First thing to try would be not running the binary drivers; if you still have the problem after a reboot with an untainted kernel, try a bug report against that kernel |
| 03:28.21 | Luyza | hamilton5, but then it will ask to remove wacom-tools, no? :P |
| 03:28.31 | hamilton5 | naa |
| 03:29.07 | Luyza | :P Anyone else agree with hamilton5 ? :P |
| 03:29.21 | hamilton5 | do it baby your not going to hurt anything |
| 03:29.23 | hamilton5 | just redo it |
| 03:29.27 | Luyza | It will remove input-all after all |
| 03:29.54 | Luyza | hamilton5, it is essential that I get this working, if I don |
| 03:30.19 | Luyza | if I don't want to fail this class. So I cannot bork my computer |
| 03:30.37 | Luyza | That is, I need the computer and the wacom working |
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| 03:31.13 | Luyza | If it removes xserver-xorg-input-all then I cannot use my mouse and trackpad either, right? |
| 03:31.21 | hamilton5 | no |
| 03:31.23 | hamilton5 | wrong |
| 03:31.24 | hamilton5 | do it |
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| 03:32.40 | Luyza | Alright, I'll just shoot myself if this breaks |
| 03:32.48 | hamilton5 | I will if u dont shut up |
| 03:32.49 | hamilton5 | ;) |
| 03:32.59 | Luyza | Well either way I die then. |
| 03:33.11 | hamilton5 | good day sir |
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| 03:33.18 | dbbolton | you were already dead inside |
| 03:33.19 | Luyza | opens arms and waits |
| 03:33.44 | Luyza | Sorry, the way you talk doesn't make me very confident that it's safe to go ahead with the apt-get |
| 03:34.04 | Luyza | Like "Nooo, it's OK, touch that electrical outlet, it wont hurrrrttt!" |
| 03:34.36 | Gm4n | I don't know anything about gui packages, so I'm not gonna be much of a help |
| 03:34.47 | hamilton5 | just read what it is |
| 03:34.48 | Gm4n | so i'll just lurk =P |
| 03:34.53 | hamilton5 | how you know tools gonna fix your problem anyway |
| 03:34.58 | Luyza | hamilton5, what do you mean? |
| 03:35.02 | rww | Luyza: xserver-xorg-input-all is just a metapackage. It doesn't provide any input stuff in and of itself, that's done by the packages it depends on. |
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| 03:35.11 | hamilton5 | is just a metapackage |
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| 03:35.41 | Luyza | rww, Ok, what about xserver-xorg-input-wacom? (thanks btw) |
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| 03:36.19 | Luyza | Alright, went ahead :P |
| 03:36.32 | rww | Luyza: removing xserver-xorg-input-wacom will presumably remove the wacom input stuff for xorg. I wouldn't know for sure, have never used a wacom tablet. |
| 03:36.45 | rww | (I do, however, routinely remove xserver-xorg-input-all, hence me knowing it's harmless :) |
| 03:37.09 | Luyza | rww, see, that's what doens't make any sense to me, I'm trying to install a tool to help with wacom, and it wants to remove the ability to USE the wacom? :P |
| 03:37.27 | hamilton5 | trying to get his wacom working dont even know the real problem except hes worried about removing a metapackage :\ |
| 03:38.02 | Luyza | hamilton5, I have been trying to get my wacom to work for many weeks, |
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| 03:38.12 | Gm4n | luyza: perhaps a dependency of the package you're installing also provides whatever xserver-xorg-input-wacom does? |
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| 03:38.26 | amereservant | Do I have to install/configure something for the local mbox folders in Debian? |
| 03:38.38 | Luyza | Gm4n, hmm that's a good way to look at it... but it didn't install anything else |
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| 03:38.57 | amereservant | I'm using a VPS running Debian5 and there's not any local mail files. |
| 03:39.18 | Gm4n | amereservant: does that mean mail isn't received? |
| 03:39.33 | chops1 | amereservant: What MTA are you running? |
| 03:39.36 | amereservant | Gm4n, I would guess so. |
| 03:39.44 | amereservant | chops1, Exim4 |
| 03:39.49 | rww | Luyza: Yeah, I have no idea why it's doing that. the wacom-tools packages in Debian actually recommend xserver-xorg-input-wacom, so unless you're using some third-party repo... |
| 03:40.01 | Gm4n | what happens if you `mail someusername`, then log in someusername and say `mail`? |
| 03:40.05 | Luyza | rww, :O |
| 03:40.31 | amereservant | Gm4n, Hmmm, not sure, let me see. |
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| 03:40.40 | Luyza | rww the only other repo I have is WineHQ repo :P |
| 03:40.58 | hamilton5 | I hope you fail big time luyza |
| 03:41.14 | Luyza | hamilton5, Why is that? |
| 03:41.32 | rww | Luyza: heh. I'm not on Debian right now, so I can't check for myself, and like I said, I don't have a wacom anyway. Perhaps someone is more helpful than me and hamilton5. |
| 03:41.42 | hamilton5 | ;) |
| 03:41.44 | Gm4n | boring troll is boring? |
| 03:41.45 | chops1 | amereservant: I'd think exim4 can be configured to drop mail in users' home directories, but I think by default it puts things in /var/spool/mail (from which place it can be found by 'mail' and mutt and all) |
| 03:41.50 | Luyza | It's OK rww Thank you:-) |
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| 03:42.34 | chops1 | sernin: I was able to find http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkpasswd-pam/ which seems to do what I want |
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| 03:42.55 | chops1 | sernin: It is quite helpfully telling me "authentication failure." Ah, the sweet stench of progress! |
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| 03:43.34 | sweetpi | Anyone know if there is a specific codec I need to install to get H.264 working? |
| 03:44.42 | sweetpi | All I'm getting is a green screen. |
| 03:44.44 | hamilton5 | yea pretty sure their are |
| 03:44.58 | Gm4n | sweetpi: maybe try VLC? |
| 03:45.00 | hamilton5 | x264's |
| 03:45.31 | sweetpi | Gm4n: I've tried vlc, mplayer, totem |
| 03:45.45 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure VLC does its own decompression |
| 03:45.49 | sweetpi | hamilton5: I've tried that, but it didn't make any difference |
| 03:46.05 | Gm4n | does the same video file work elsewhere? |
| 03:46.35 | sweetpi | It works in windows on vlc, and I've heard it works on ubuntu |
| 03:46.56 | Gm4n | sounds like "yes", so I won't offer to test in osx/vlc =P |
| 03:47.02 | sweetpi | lol |
| 03:47.16 | Gm4n | does vlc throw any errors? |
| 03:47.17 | amereservant | When configuring Exim4, I chose "mbox format in /var/mail/" if that means anything. Here's what my mainlog says when I type echo "my test" | mail -s "Test Message" server33 http://pastebin.com/PzGewjQr |
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| 03:47.41 | sweetpi | Gm4n: no, it actually looks like its decoding it. but just shows a green screen |
| 03:47.43 | Gm4n | amereservant: that means store in mbox format (instead of maildir), and keep everything in /var/mail (instead of user home directories directly) |
| 03:48.03 | \amethyst | amereservant: is 'server1' this machine? |
| 03:48.12 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yes. |
| 03:48.18 | amereservant | That's the hostname. |
| 03:48.28 | Gm4n | sweetpi: this is beyond my knowledge, as all my debian boxes run headless |
| 03:48.40 | amereservant | It's sending them remotely just fine. |
| 03:48.40 | Gm4n | but see if VLC can perhaps screenshot or re-export a portion |
| 03:48.51 | amereservant | Gm4n, Thank you for explaining that. |
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| 03:49.10 | sanmarcos | I think somebody logged on to my PC trhough remote desktop, I Am using debian 5.0 and gnome, how can I see the log/turn it off? |
| 03:49.16 | sweetpi | Gm4n: ok I'll give that a try, thanks |
| 03:49.25 | amereservant | My /var/mail/ directory is empty. |
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| 03:50.12 | \amethyst | amereservant: anything useful from /usr/sbin/exim4 -d -bt server33@server1 ? |
| 03:50.45 | sweetpi | sanmarcos: System/Preferences/Remote Desktop, not sure about the logging |
| 03:51.09 | Gm4n | sanmarcos: you can poke around in /var/log, maybe secure.log? |
| 03:52.44 | amereservant | \amethyst, Wow, depends what you call useful! http://pastebin.com/TvRnDux8 |
| 03:53.16 | \amethyst | amereservant: server1 isn't in exim's list of local domains |
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| 03:53.29 | amereservant | Ohhhh. |
| 03:53.32 | amereservant | I see. |
| 03:53.36 | amereservant | So I need to add it then. |
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| 03:53.40 | \amethyst | amereservant: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 03:54.18 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yes? |
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| 03:54.25 | Lutorius | anyone here familiar with the proggy fonts? there isn't a package for them |
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| 03:54.38 | Lutorius | any way to get them installed? |
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| 03:56.05 | \amethyst | amereservant: the second question or so should be "system mail name" |
| 03:56.36 | \amethyst | amereservant: then the fourth or so is 'other destinations for which mail is accepted' |
| 03:56.41 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yeah, it is. What did you look at to see it was wrong in all of that? |
| 03:56.43 | \amethyst | amereservant: server1 should be on one list or the other |
| 03:56.46 | sweetpi | Gm4n: apparently this has nothing to do with h.264, every video I try to play is green |
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| 03:57.14 | sweetpi | I updated last night... must have broken something |
| 03:57.17 | amereservant | \amethyst, Well server1 was what I entered as the System mail name:, the second screen. |
| 03:57.27 | \amethyst | amereservant: really? hm |
| 03:57.47 | \amethyst | amereservant: what I saw in the paste was server1 in "! +local_domains"? no (matched "! +local_domains") |
| 03:58.00 | amereservant | \amethyst, I just left the 4th one, Other destinations for which mail is accepted:", blank. |
| 03:58.01 | \amethyst | amereservant: oh, never mind |
| 03:58.07 | \amethyst | amereservant: I misread the paste |
| 03:58.11 | \amethyst | amereservant: I missed the ! there |
| 03:58.21 | sanmarcos | man is debian insecure |
| 03:58.29 | sanmarcos | vnc enabled, smtp, domain server, apache, everything |
| 03:58.33 | sanmarcos | on a desktop machine? |
| 03:58.42 | sernin | Lutorius: I am, you could just get the packages, put them in /usr/local/share fonts; cd /usr/local/share/fonts/;mkfontdir;dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config;dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 03:58.56 | sernin | Lutorius: should show up in fc-list after that |
| 03:59.18 | sernin | Lutorius: There's no .deb laying around that I know of though. |
| 03:59.20 | \amethyst | amereservant: reading further, it seems the problem isn't with the domain |
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| 04:00.22 | \amethyst | amereservant: so the system_aliases router fails because there isn't a 'server33' entry in /etc/aliases |
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| 04:00.26 | sanmarcos | how do I turn off apache |
| 04:00.37 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: simplest would be to uninstall it |
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| 04:00.51 | hamilton5 | sanmarcos /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 04:00.52 | amereservant | \amethyst, Ahhh. Alright, let me look into that. |
| 04:00.56 | sanmarcos | turn it off forever |
| 04:00.57 | \amethyst | amereservant: and the local_user router fails because 'server33' isn't a user |
| 04:01.07 | hamilton5 | apt-get remove apache |
| 04:01.21 | amereservant | \amethyst, Alright, I'll go see how to list the local users and see where I get from there. |
| 04:01.57 | sernin | sanmarcos: update-rc.d apache2 disable |
| 04:02.02 | Lutorius | sernin:do they need to be a certain type? ttf or pcf? |
| 04:02.16 | sanmarcos | I am trying to help a guy who knows little and has debian 5.0 |
| 04:02.18 | sernin | Lutorius: ttf is preferred. pcf are the old x-bitmap style |
| 04:02.25 | sanmarcos | I don't know why debian ships with so man open ports |
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| 04:02.43 | sernin | sanmarcos: depending on what you install... |
| 04:03.29 | \amethyst | amereservant: getent passwd |
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| 04:03.50 | \amethyst | amereservant: or cat /etc/passwd if you haven't set up any kind of distributed user database |
| 04:04.26 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yeah, the first one worked. I also did groups and users, which only showed one user, root. |
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| 04:04.44 | \amethyst | amereservant: those are different |
| 04:04.55 | \amethyst | amereservant: 'groups' shows you what groups *you* are a member of |
| 04:05.09 | \amethyst | amereservant: and 'users' shows you what users are currently logged in |
| 04:05.26 | amereservant | \amethyst, http://pastebin.com/cPHCu7Wh |
| 04:05.44 | \amethyst | amereservant: so what do you want to happen with this email? |
| 04:06.38 | amereservant | \amethyst, Well, for all local emails, such as cronjobs etc., I don't want them sending and using my SMTP relays up since I only have 250/day with my hosting provider, so a local mail file would be fine. |
| 04:06.48 | amereservant | I may later try and figure out how to retrieve that remotely. |
| 04:06.49 | \amethyst | amereservant: but I mean |
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| 04:07.03 | \amethyst | amereservant: where in particular is 'server33' email supposed to go to? |
| 04:07.09 | \amethyst | amereservant: you don't have a user with that name |
| 04:07.28 | amereservant | \amethyst, Oh, I assumed that was a valid user, so it doesn't matter. |
| 04:07.43 | amereservant | \amethyst, I can change that to something else. |
| 04:07.47 | snagnever | Hey! I'm having problems with the "squeeze" installer, and it's not listed on the errata, i thinkg |
| 04:08.04 | \amethyst | amereservant: it looks like you need to create some users |
| 04:08.04 | amereservant | \amethyst, Or if you recommend my doing so, I could just add the user. |
| 04:08.05 | snagnever | i'm not able to select a partition, only the entire disk |
| 04:08.31 | \amethyst | amereservant: I don't know, though; I don't know what you're doing |
| 04:08.42 | penrod | greetings: looking for a bash script to change file extensions, and be able to run recursiveley. |
| 04:09.21 | amereservant | \amethyst, Well, I purchased a VPS shell with Debian 5, which was a bare minimum install and this is where I'm at after installing the things I need. It's a web server. |
| 04:09.46 | snagnever | did anyone have this problem too? |
| 04:09.48 | amereservant | \amethyst, I've just never taken this route with a server before, so it's a little different to me. |
| 04:09.59 | sernin | penrod: man rename, man find |
| 04:10.02 | \amethyst | amereservant: I mean, you shouldn't be creating accounts if you don't need them, but it seems that at least the admin should have an account so you don't have to log in as root all the time |
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| 04:10.45 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yeah, that's probably not a bad idea, although it's no trouble logging in as root. |
| 04:10.47 | \amethyst | penrod: in particular find somedir -name '*.foo' -exec rename 's/\.foo$/.bar/' {} + |
| 04:11.02 | sernin | rename is underrated. :) |
| 04:11.12 | snagnever | please? |
| 04:11.30 | amereservant | \amethyst, So you recommend creating an administrator account at least? |
| 04:11.33 | \amethyst | amereservant: it's the principle though. You should be root for as little of the time as possible |
| 04:11.42 | penrod | sernin: thank you, I was hoping there may be one easlily available as my scripting capabilities are somewhat limited. Looks like I had better "bone" up. |
| 04:12.05 | sernin | penrod: you'll be better off for it, find is powerful |
| 04:12.26 | amereservant | \amethyst, Ok, I gotcha. I'll do that then. I really appreciate your help, cause it's usually really difficult finding anyone capable or willing to help with email stuff and rightfully so. |
| 04:12.27 | \amethyst | amereservant: one per admin... I wouldn't call it 'administrator', but more likely 'neil' or such |
| 04:12.34 | \amethyst | amereservant: (substitute your name) |
| 04:12.43 | \amethyst | amereservant: well, I'm still not sure what you need to do with email |
| 04:13.07 | sernin | \amethyst: I think he just wants local delivery to mbox for system mails (cron, etc) |
| 04:13.08 | amereservant | \amethyst, Well local emails will be just fine in a mail file in /var/mail/ |
| 04:13.11 | penrod | sernin: I have no problem in using "find" , I had to restore a large number of files from a backup server, and they all have "~" at the end of the filename , I would like to remove the "~" |
| 04:13.18 | \amethyst | amereservant: are you going to have local users? |
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| 04:13.25 | \amethyst | amereservant: I mean, besides yourself |
| 04:13.29 | amereservant | \amethyst, No, not at all. |
| 04:13.43 | amereservant | \amethyst, It's strictly a web server and that's it. |
| 04:13.56 | snagnever | am i asking a very dumb question or simply nobody wants to help? |
| 04:14.03 | \amethyst | amereservant: oh, so you just need webmaster postmaster root etc emails to go to you |
| 04:14.05 | amereservant | \amethyst, Besides adminstration purposes, I won't be accessing it. |
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| 04:14.34 | amereservant | \amethyst, Yeah, that's fine, but keep them on the server. |
| 04:14.53 | amereservant | \amethyst, I don't want them sent via SMTP to me. |
| 04:15.14 | \amethyst | amereservant: yeah: create your admin account, and make sure the root line in /etc/aliases is root: youraccountname |
| 04:15.43 | \amethyst | amereservant: I believe by default all the other system users and aliases go to 'root', so everything will end up going to your account on the machine |
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| 04:15.53 | amereservant | \amethyst, Alright. Thank you. |
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| 04:16.13 | snagnever | ... |
| 04:16.25 | sernin | snagnever: try the latest version of the installer |
| 04:16.36 | nas_ | hi there, how do i make debian lenny recognize 8GB memory? just recompile kernel? |
| 04:17.07 | sernin | snagnever: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ |
| 04:17.08 | \amethyst | snagnever: one problem is that a lot of the experts here aren't that familiar with the installer |
| 04:17.11 | Lutorius | sernin:they don't show up in xfontsel though so I can take the info to use in Xdefaults |
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| 04:17.36 | sernin | Lutorius: do you have xft installed? fc-list | grep -i proggy |
| 04:18.01 | snagnever | sernin thanks, i'm downloading that |
| 04:18.30 | sernin | snagnever: good timing too it was just updated yesterday. |
| 04:18.43 | sernin | "daily" doesn't really mean daily... |
| 04:18.51 | snagnever | ((sernin)): HAHAHA i see :P |
| 04:19.01 | snagnever | as i'm doing the usb stick install |
| 04:19.20 | snagnever | all that i have to do is delete the old netinst from the usbstick and put the new one, right? |
| 04:19.36 | Rodolfo | what is best the stable o testing version? |
| 04:19.57 | sernin | snagnever: that is kind of a hairy topic, as you need to convert it to an .img (with isolinux on it etc) |
| 04:20.11 | unkmar | :) |
| 04:20.14 | sernin | snagnever: you can't just write an iso to a usb stick and boot |
| 04:20.51 | snagnever | sernin http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-flexible |
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| 04:21.41 | demism | anyway to convert a ubuntu box into a debian box, just by changing repo's etc...? |
| 04:21.45 | Lutorius | sernin:ah, so the result of that command can be put in to .Xdefaults? |
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| 04:22.47 | Rodolfo | what is best the stable o testing version? |
| 04:22.56 | Lutorius | sernin:also, when I ran that first string of commands you gave me, I received a few selections, what are the best selections for those? |
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| 04:23.43 | sernin | Lutorius: depends on your system |
| 04:23.47 | Lutorius | sernin:do I want native or autohinter |
| 04:24.07 | sernin | Lutorius: again, depends on your display, system, fonts, dpi, etc etc. It's one of those things you have to mess around with |
| 04:24.07 | Lutorius | I would think autohinter |
| 04:24.10 | scrote | how can i apt-get remove a program but keep its dependancies ? |
| 04:24.15 | Rodolfo | what is best the stable o testing version? |
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| 04:25.24 | sernin | snagnever: there you go, you should be good with those instructions |
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| 04:26.51 | snagnever | sernin that's what i've done until now ;x |
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| 04:29.24 | Lutorius | sernin: taking the result from fc-list | grep -i proggy and putting that into rxvt*font: doesn't work |
| 04:29.34 | Lutorius | says it's an invalid font |
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| 04:34.29 | amereservant | \amethyst, That worked perfect, thank you again for your help! |
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| 04:36.03 | amereservant | \amethyst, Are you familiar with squirrellmail? |
| 04:36.09 | demism | how can I install debian from a USB device? |
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| 04:36.12 | \amethyst | amereservant: not really, no |
| 04:36.30 | amereservant | demism, Google it, I just did that recently. |
| 04:36.37 | wols | !tell demism about usb install |
| 04:36.45 | \amethyst | amereservant: I would say a web mail frontend would be a bit heavyweight on a server with one user |
| 04:37.07 | \amethyst | amereservant: at the max I'd install an imap server like dovecot and fetch the mail that way |
| 04:37.18 | amereservant | \amethyst, Ohhhh, that's right, that's the web front-end. |
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| 04:37.57 | amereservant | \amethyst, Gotcha. Yeah, I wasn't sure which one it was to use to retrieve the local emails from a remote source. |
| 04:38.29 | \amethyst | amereservant: an IMAP server here, and fetchmail or some client that supports IMAP on the other side |
| 04:39.03 | amereservant | \amethyst, See, that's where I get lost at.... what does fetchmail do? |
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| 04:40.07 | amereservant | \amethyst, Is that a program similar to like say Outlook or something that reads the mail from the remote server? |
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| 04:40.25 | \amethyst | amereservant: it reads the mail from the remote server then sends it to your local mailbox |
| 04:40.43 | \amethyst | amereservant: so you can the read it with the program of your choice, even if that program only knows how to read local mail |
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| 04:41.42 | amereservant | \amethyst, Ok, so then say I am using Ubuntu and I'm using Evolution Mail to check my pop/imap mails from my email hosting company, I could use that and not need fetchmail, right? |
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| 04:41.48 | \amethyst | amereservant: right |
| 04:42.22 | amereservant | \amethyst, Ahhhh, I see now. That has confused me for a while because it's mentioned frequently and I never was sure what it actually does. |
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| 04:42.45 | \amethyst | amereservant: practically, fetchmail is only necessary if you're using old-school mail clients |
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| 04:43.40 | amereservant | \amethyst, And no one explains it's just an "email client", although I guess it could be ran on the server to retrieve all your emails to one place so you only have to fetch them from one place. |
| 04:43.55 | \amethyst | amereservant: yep |
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| 04:44.37 | amereservant | \amethyst, Well I think I may finally figure this whole thing out for a change. |
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| 04:45.25 | \amethyst | amereservant: I use it because I want to sweep email off my domain's server and onto my personal computer on a regular basis |
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| 04:46.55 | amereservant | \amethyst, Alright. I'll give it a shot and see if dovecot is easier to figure out how to install/configure than exim4 initially was. |
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| 04:47.29 | \amethyst | setting up an IMAP server is usually somewhat simpler than setting up a MTA :) |
| 04:47.57 | eycel | can any one tell me how my site is running in firefox? http://www.mplays.co.cc |
| 04:48.03 | bioe007 | hi, im longtime awesome wm user, but new to debian and trying to build from -git. the awesome wiki page says after pulling from a debin git repo i should do './build-debian' but no such file exists.. 'build-debian' isnt some kind of debian command is it? |
| 04:48.05 | amereservant | \amethyst, Oh, there was something I was wondering the other day..... is it possible to use exim4 to send from multiple domains as different aliases and route them to different smtp relays? |
| 04:48.22 | amereservant | \amethyst, Wew, glad to hear that! |
| 04:48.53 | eycel | can any one tell me how my site is running in firefox? http://www.mplays.co.cc |
| 04:49.11 | \amethyst | amereservant: probably, if you specify the fully-qualified from address in your mails |
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| 04:49.23 | \amethyst | amereservant: but that's beyond me; #exim can probably help |
| 04:49.39 | amereservant | \amethyst, I actually wrote two tutorials ( I really need to combine them into one) at http://blog.myownserver.info/ explaining how to configure exim4. No one seems to want to give a simple "how-to" like that. |
| 04:50.32 | bioe007 | eycel: looks ok, but takes a lot of java enabling and flash :( |
| 04:50.43 | amereservant | \amethyst, Alright. Figured I'd at least try asking. Email is rather mysterious in many ways to me and I figured something like that would be rather complicated. |
| 04:50.44 | wols | bluesceada: is there a debian/ directory? |
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| 04:51.51 | wols | bioe007: ^^ |
| 04:52.39 | bioe007 | wols: nope |
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| 04:53.54 | wols | then there won't be a .deb at the end |
| 04:54.11 | demism | is ext4 any good? or should I stick to ext3? |
| 04:54.18 | bioe007 | wols: you are now speaking greek to me.. is there some general tutorial you could point me at? |
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| 04:55.21 | wols | bioe007: I'd download a deb source package (apt-get source) and check how it is all laid out |
| 04:55.29 | wols | and there is of course the nmg: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 04:55.41 | wols | ,versions awesome |
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| 04:55.42 | judd | awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.3.3-1; sid: 3.4.4-1; squeeze: 3.4.4-1 |
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| 04:56.03 | bioe007 | well i hack awesome's source so i need the build tree to work |
| 04:56.12 | bioe007 | which would be the quickest way to get to that? |
| 04:56.14 | wols | download the source of awesome via debian and look how the debian source is laid out. all the "distro specific stuff" that's used for package making is in debian/ |
| 04:56.24 | bioe007 | k, thanks |
| 04:56.36 | bitzor | hello there |
| 04:57.13 | bitzor | i need some help, could anybody help me? |
| 04:58.18 | bioe007 | bitzor: you generally need to just ask your question in irc |
| 04:58.43 | bitzor | ok ok sorry |
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| 04:59.06 | bioe007 | np - just ask |
| 05:00.00 | bitzor | i have a problem with the x server, i just upgraded my debian lenny to debian squeeze and the gdm just crashed and show me the screen over and over again without get stable |
| 05:00.25 | bitzor | i have a nvidia graphics card 7150 |
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| 05:01.07 | bioe007 | bitzor: can you chvt to a tty? |
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| 05:02.21 | bitzor | nop |
| 05:02.32 | bitzor | neither kbd neither mouse |
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| 05:03.07 | bioe007 | bitzor: what bootloader do you use? |
| 05:03.18 | bitzor | grup 0.94 |
| 05:03.22 | bitzor | grub* |
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| 05:04.08 | wols | bioe007: disable gdm then and check your X log |
| 05:04.20 | bioe007 | bitzor: ^^ |
| 05:04.48 | bioe007 | i was going to suggest he boot to another runlevel, but it seems debian starts gdm as a daemon |
| 05:05.31 | bitzor | i disabled gdm and i tryed to start the X but it shows me that it is already running |
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| 05:05.47 | wols | !tell bitzor about errors |
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| 05:06.57 | bitzor | ok, i'll look for the errors and i'll show you |
| 05:07.00 | bitzor | be right back |
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| 05:11.06 | demism | I'm sorry if this is a bad questions but which Desktop Environment do you guys use? |
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| 05:12.45 | cahoot | !popcon |
| 05:12.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 05:12.54 | cahoot | demism: ^ |
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| 05:21.23 | zcat[1] | how do I make mounted drives not show up on the desktop? something in gconf? |
| 05:21.35 | snagnever | still not working :( http://img188.imageshack.us/i/27042010263.jpg/, http://img10.imageshack.us/i/27042010262.jpg/ |
| 05:22.25 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 05:22.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 05:22.53 | snagnever | wols hehe i was already talking about my problem :P |
| 05:23.00 | snagnever | the installer is not showing my partitions |
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| 05:23.27 | snagnever | it only allows me to choose the entire disk to proceed with the installation |
| 05:24.02 | zcat[1] | Choose one disk or the other, it should then show you partitions on that disk. |
| 05:24.44 | zcat[1] | .. which you can edit or assign, choose to format, etc |
| 05:24.59 | snagnever | zcat[1] did u see the image? |
| 05:25.27 | zcat[1] | yes. On the second image did you try moving the cursor up to the first disk and pressing enter? |
| 05:25.58 | snagnever | so, i haven't chosen the usb stick. it simply shows the list of the partitions there. when i press enter in the SDA disk, it say 'warning you are selectin a disk and than we will create a blank partition table and every partition will be removed' |
| 05:26.43 | zcat[1] | sorry, perhaps I missed something. what are you trying to do? |
| 05:27.12 | snagnever | i'm simply trying to install debian on my notebook :P |
| 05:28.23 | zcat[1] | so if you select SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) does it not then list the partitions on that disk for you to edit? |
| 05:28.33 | snagnever | nop |
| 05:28.40 | snagnever | it says that as i am selecting a disk |
| 05:28.43 | zcat[1] | weird. |
| 05:28.48 | snagnever | wait, 'ill write exactly what it says |
| 05:28.49 | wols | did you try an expert install? |
| 05:28.58 | wols | and what kind of partition table is on sda? |
| 05:29.34 | snagnever | 'You have selected an entire device to partition. If you proceed with creating a new partition table on the device, then all current partitions will be removed' |
| 05:29.54 | wols | use expert install |
| 05:29.57 | snagnever | wols, http://img188.imageshack.us/i/27042010263.jpg/ |
| 05:29.58 | zcat[1] | wols: other screenshot, 2xntfs, 1x extended with five linux partitions inside it. |
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| 05:30.30 | wols | that's not what I asked: what kind of partition table is it? |
| 05:30.40 | wols | GPT or MBR? |
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| 05:31.16 | zcat[1] | wols: how can you find that?! |
| 05:31.24 | snagnever | wols that's new for me |
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| 05:32.12 | snagnever | ah, maybe is important to say that it have listed the partitions in a desktop here |
| 05:32.15 | zcat[1] | btw; how do I make mounted drives not show up on the desktop? something in gconf? I had a dig around and I can't find the option |
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| 05:33.52 | zcat[1] | 'omiting empty partiton (5)' -- does that have anything to do with it.. also since it goes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.. and doesn't skip 3 (ext) to 5 (logical) I'm guessing it's not whatever I'm used to. |
| 05:34.23 | snagnever | wols i'm trying an expert install noiw |
| 05:36.28 | snagnever | btw, i read that lenin doesnt have wpa support on gnome disk1, how's that on squeeze? |
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| 05:37.24 | wols | snagnever: it doesn't |
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| 05:38.00 | snagnever | oh :( |
| 05:38.05 | snagnever | why that? |
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| 05:42.05 | snagnever | daamnt |
| 05:42.13 | snagnever | still not working :( |
| 05:43.09 | snagnever | wol any suggestion? |
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| 05:44.10 | Bop | snagnever, for wpa ? |
| 05:44.19 | Bop | install package wpa_supplicant |
| 05:45.00 | snagnever | Bop no, the installer is not recognizing my partitions in hda |
| 05:45.06 | Bop | oh |
| 05:45.11 | Bop | what chipset u got ? |
| 05:45.15 | snagnever | http://img188.imageshack.us/i/27042010263.jpg/, http://img10.imageshack.us/i/27042010262.jpg/ |
| 05:45.19 | snagnever | humn |
| 05:45.29 | snagnever | intel 965 |
| 05:45.30 | snagnever | i guess |
| 05:45.41 | snagnever | is an inspiron 1525 |
| 05:46.05 | Bop | i see a 250 GB hard disk at sda |
| 05:46.38 | wols | Bop: is your 2nd name "captain obvious"? |
| 05:46.46 | Bop | also , why did u enter partition mode |
| 05:46.56 | Bop | if partition are made i guess u dont need it |
| 05:47.15 | snagnever | Bop i gotta go in that step to select the mount points |
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| 05:47.22 | Bop | as u wont rewrite partition table |
| 05:48.12 | Bop | i dont have debian installer all in my head |
| 05:48.27 | snagnever | the installer forces me to do that step anyway :S |
| 05:48.33 | wols | snagnever: how did you make the fdisk -l picture? same kernel/installer? |
| 05:48.35 | Bop | try to jump that step in setup main menu |
| 05:48.37 | snagnever | yes |
| 05:48.43 | snagnever | wols same evertyhing |
| 05:49.03 | snagnever | Bop did it, didnt work |
| 05:49.53 | snagnever | wols, when in 'parted' if i try 'print', it says: "Error: /dev/hda: unrecognised disk label" |
| 05:50.03 | peterrooney | will marvels never cease? plugged in an external USB hard drive, waited for scsi subsystem to settle down, and found that there's no /dev/sdd, but there IS /dev/sdd1 |
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| 05:50.25 | wols | snagnever: hda != sda |
| 05:50.38 | Bop | peterrooney, so ... ? |
| 05:50.49 | snagnever | wols they all select the names by themselves |
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| 05:51.02 | snagnever | i just typed 'print' and the only thing i got was that error |
| 05:51.14 | wols | but it cannot be sda in partman and hda in parted when using the same kernel |
| 05:52.09 | snagnever | believe me, they are |
| 05:52.15 | snagnever | i'm in a desktop talking to you |
| 05:52.21 | wols | I do not believe you |
| 05:52.25 | snagnever | and my notebook is right here with the installer running |
| 05:52.40 | snagnever | and the pics were taken with my phone |
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| 05:53.24 | wols | do expert install and use "manual" partitioning |
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| 05:53.55 | wols | it will ask "create empty partition table" and you say "no" |
| 05:53.56 | snagnever | wols i am |
| 05:54.24 | snagnever | by saying 'no' it takes me back to that screen on the picture |
| 05:54.50 | snagnever | btw, by using cfdisk on /dev/sda1 i see a "unusable space" of 1.5mb in the beginning of the disk |
| 05:54.57 | snagnever | *on /dev/sda |
| 05:56.50 | wols | I 2 two suggestions: try lenny or try a debootrstap install, however whne debian installer doesn't recognize your partitions, the installed debian might not either |
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| 05:57.08 | wols | also: why so many partitions? if the linux partitions are all empty, delete them ALL |
| 05:57.24 | wols | sorry, "try lenny" should have been "try squeeze" |
| 05:57.41 | snagnever | wols i'm trying squeeze |
| 05:58.43 | snagnever | wols any chance a 'install-mbr to /dev/sda' fix it? |
| 05:58.56 | wols | I don't think so |
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| 05:59.21 | wols | it will only overwrite your bootloader that is there |
| 05:59.35 | snagnever | the win7 bootloader is there |
| 05:59.40 | snagnever | i can restore it with the cd |
| 06:00.01 | wols | your problem is not the bootloader. again: why 8 partitions? |
| 06:01.40 | snagnever | sl |
| 06:01.40 | snagnever | so, |
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| 06:01.54 | snagnever | on linux, one is for /boot, another is for debian and the other is for a testin distro |
| 06:02.05 | snagnever | the ntfs partitions are 1 for windows and 1 for my music |
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| 06:08.48 | snagnever | YEY :D |
| 06:08.51 | snagnever | seems solved |
| 06:08.52 | snagnever | hehehe |
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| 06:10.18 | wols | snagnever: and what was it? |
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| 06:11.43 | snagnever | i just deleted all the linux partitions as u suggested :P |
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| 06:12.08 | snagnever | it is strange, in the beggining of the disk it seems to have something like a 'mirror' of some other partition |
| 06:12.19 | snagnever | same type but with 1.5mb |
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| 06:20.11 | bioe007 | so it seems i need to be using testing instead of lenny for awesome v3.x - but i can't find any docs on how to migrate from lenny to testing? |
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| 06:21.00 | bioe007 | ohsi nvm.. |
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| 06:31.28 | bioe007 | ok, i basically did sed -i s/lenny/squeeze/ on my sources.list file, and then `aptitude update', now i'm trying `aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude' but i get like 63 to upgrade, 28 to install, and 174 to remove |
| 06:31.33 | bioe007 | does this sound right? |
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| 06:33.32 | anton__ | hi there |
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| 06:36.17 | wols | !tell bioe007 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 06:36.31 | wols | bioe007: it does not sound right at all what you are doing. and you WILL fail if you try this way |
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| 06:37.00 | anton__ | i need some advice on how to sign binary packages ... i searched google but most howtos cover source packages and there seem to be different methods to sign binary packages (debsign, secure-apt, manually using gpg) .... any help would be very welcome ö.ö |
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| 06:37.35 | bioe007 | wols: ty for that one - i got these steps from some blog |
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| 06:38.57 | snagnever | should i turn on Volatile Updates? |
| 06:39.33 | ham5 | you want Volatile Updates? |
| 06:39.59 | ham5 | http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 06:41.07 | snagnever | i dont think so |
| 06:41.10 | snagnever | thanks :D |
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| 06:41.38 | bioe007 | wols: so i need only two lines in apt/sources.list? one is 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free' ? |
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| 06:43.25 | wols | bioe007: no you need to read the factoid until you understand it. the sources.list is no problem, and if you ahve to ask about it you are not supposed to run testing |
| 06:43.37 | ham5 | ha just thinking that |
| 06:43.53 | wols | cause to run testing, it is assumed the user has knowledge about debian. if you have to ask about a simple sources.list line it shows how small your knowledge about it is |
| 06:44.12 | bioe007 | oh ffs just a perfect bit of help |
| 06:44.28 | ham5 | atleast its the debian repo and not noobtu |
| 06:44.39 | wols | it's a HONEST bit of help. if you want to moral support, join a circle jerk self help group |
| 06:44.42 | wols | !hug bioe007 |
| 06:44.43 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around bioe007 |
| 06:44.47 | bioe007 | wols: stfu |
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| 06:44.56 | ham5 | !cyt bioe007 |
| 06:45.00 | ham5 | !cut bioe007 |
| 06:45.01 | dpkg | cuts bioe007 in half with a scalpel! |
| 06:46.02 | snagnever | ill go to bes |
| 06:46.03 | snagnever | bed |
| 06:46.10 | snagnever | thanks for the help wols |
| 06:46.26 | snagnever | it'll take some hours downloading the pkgs |
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| 06:47.00 | bioe007 | wols some point to your tirade would've been worthwhile |
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| 06:47.23 | bioe007 | but jsut saying 'if you don't know then you shouldn't be using it' is just elitist crap |
| 06:48.35 | ham5 | you dont NEED any lines in your sources.list... but where you want to get your packages from.. and debian comes just fine with it setup dont screw with it |
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| 06:49.19 | bioe007 | more useless ranting? yes debian can run from the install medium, but how/where do configrue the sources list? how to run testing/squeeze? |
| 06:49.24 | Noble | Is debian unstable actually a stable rolling release? |
| 06:49.41 | streuner_ | !sid |
| 06:49.42 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 06:50.03 | bioe007 | this is what escapes me, as the 'testing/squeeze' page has a bunch of isos and no information how to migrate from lenny |
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| 06:51.11 | ham5 | you can distupgrade but if you are worrie about just chaning some sorces.list file then your in for some major work to fix problems you will encounter |
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| 06:53.38 | bioe007 | ham5: here is an example of the docs on deb wiki |
| 06:53.54 | ham5 | so? |
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| 06:54.29 | bioe007 | it says to read the release notes on the new version, but where can those be found? |
| 06:54.41 | bioe007 | they are not on the 'squeeze/testing' page |
| 06:55.18 | streuner_ | bioe007: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 06:55.43 | bioe007 | all for lenny streuner_ |
| 06:55.59 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
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| 06:56.13 | streuner_ | squeeze isnt released yet... |
| 06:56.16 | ham5 | use it for more then a week figure it out before u go all out updating everything |
| 06:56.36 | bioe007 | uhm, i'll use it for 0 days if i can't install the wm i want |
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| 06:57.23 | bioe007 | i ddint think it would be such a pita to just find out how to change this |
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| 06:58.18 | Liquid-Silence | Hi all :) |
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| 06:58.28 | Liquid-Silence | is sporting a squeeze install! :) |
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| 06:58.41 | ham5 | ;) |
| 06:58.47 | ham5 | real pita huh liquid |
| 06:58.57 | Liquid-Silence | ham5: what is a pita? |
| 06:58.58 | Liquid-Silence | :P |
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| 06:59.17 | ham5 | installing squeeze packages |
| 06:59.29 | Liquid-Silence | Well for me so far I have had no issues |
| 06:59.30 | Liquid-Silence | :D |
| 06:59.33 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: It's either pita-bread or *P*ain *I*n *T*he *A*rse |
| 06:59.40 | Liquid-Silence | ah :P |
| 06:59.45 | Liquid-Silence | I was getting hungry |
| 07:00.00 | Liquid-Silence | ham5: you running squeeze? |
| 07:00.09 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.33.3h3f ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
| 07:00.15 | ham5 | yea and some sid :) |
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| 07:00.46 | Liquid-Silence | how did you get that? |
| 07:00.47 | Liquid-Silence | :P |
| 07:00.50 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 07:01.00 | Liquid-Silence | ham5: mind a pm? |
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| 07:01.31 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: get what? |
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| 07:02.26 | streuner_ | 2.6.33.3h3f sounds strange :-) |
| 07:02.49 | ham5 | alota 3's :) |
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| 07:07.12 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 07:07.29 | ham5 | dario |
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| 07:09.53 | Nebukadneza | ham5: right :P |
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| 07:16.02 | eycel | any one wana take a look at my work in progress...http://www.holidayretailsales.co.cc |
| 07:16.24 | wols | eycel: this is not a webmaster channel |
| 07:16.27 | ham5 | that that java flash flooded junk? |
| 07:16.47 | wols | it is OT, that's what it is |
| 07:17.10 | eycel | ? |
| 07:17.10 | babilen | spam even :-\ |
| 07:17.26 | eycel | no java... |
| 07:17.40 | eycel | lol |
| 07:17.43 | eycel | ;\ |
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| 07:18.12 | eycel | i know its not |
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| 07:18.52 | wols | eycel: we do know. and if you keep it up, you might not be around in this channel for very long. so stop spamming your domains. thank you |
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| 07:19.24 | eycel | yes sir |
| 07:19.26 | eycel | mr |
| 07:19.27 | eycel | wols |
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| 07:23.18 | innociv_ | I seem to be having a problem with sending mail. I think i'm using postfix and php mail(). |
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| 07:24.28 | babilen | What seems to be the problem? Are your shrubberies not delivered to the knights of ni? |
| 07:24.40 | innociv_ | i'm not sure. How can I debug it? |
| 07:24.47 | babilen | Debug *what* ? |
| 07:25.00 | innociv_ | like how do i see if the mail server is running? |
| 07:25.03 | innociv_ | or which is running |
| 07:25.18 | innociv_ | i see /usr/lib/postfix/master in htop |
| 07:25.27 | babilen | a process list might help with that .. |
| 07:25.43 | innociv_ | Isn't that what htop is? |
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| 07:26.52 | babilen | innociv_: http://paste.debian.net/70807/ â that shell script (check_daemons.sh) will tell you which services are running on which ports and which package they were installed from |
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| 07:28.15 | babilen | but it looks as if *you* are running postfix - is it not your server? who configured that computer? do you have some documentation about the services provided by that machine and the way they are configured? |
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| 07:30.45 | innociv_ | I configured it but it's been a while |
| 07:30.49 | innociv_ | It was sending mail fine. |
| 07:31.28 | babilen | If you did not change anything it should still be able to send mail as it did before |
| 07:31.35 | innociv_ | nevermind it's working now. |
| 07:32.00 | babilen | *shrug* - whatever was broken automagically fixed itself ... :-\ |
| 07:32.15 | innociv_ | Yeah. |
| 07:32.27 | innociv_ | Maybe my tubes where clogged. |
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| 07:34.05 | ongolaBoy | Hi. I got this message when I execute 'aptitude update' : FATAL -> Failed to fork .. Any explanations ? |
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| 07:35.42 | babilen | plain lenny? |
| 07:36.15 | babilen | not related to openvz? |
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| 07:37.24 | ongolaBoy | babilen:it's a resource shortage in openvz indeed . I just found it while digging my search engine :) |
| 07:37.59 | babilen | http://wiki.openvz.org/Resource_shortage and ask in the openvz channel |
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| 07:38.11 | ongolaBoy | babilen: thanks |
| 07:38.16 | babilen | no problem |
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| 08:03.33 | ptman | Hi! I'm building a custom source package. How can I add something to the version number to differentiate from the package provided by debian? (ssl in this case) |
| 08:03.56 | ptman | actually I'm building a binary package out of a source package but with custom build flags |
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| 08:04.23 | ham5 | use checkinstall it makes building a deb from sorce easy |
| 08:04.26 | ptman | right now I'm calling DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL=yes debuild |
| 08:05.15 | ptman | ham5, building is not the problem, I just want to make the version number a bit different to be able to spot the differences |
| 08:05.55 | ham5 | some conf file isent it? |
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| 08:06.01 | ptman | there's probably an environment variable or flag, but I don't know where to look (couldn't find anything on the manpages at least) |
| 08:06.02 | ham5 | for whatever you use to make the .debs |
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| 08:10.54 | babilen | ptman: In what way does your package differ from the one provided by Debian? Are you building a .deb as well? |
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| 08:11.17 | ptman | babilen, to be clear, I'm not modifying the source, just building a binary with different flags |
| 08:11.18 | ham5 | said hes using custom build flags |
| 08:11.25 | ptman | apparently dch --local ssl |
| 08:11.29 | babilen | !tell ptman -about package recompile |
| 08:11.30 | ptman | would do what I want |
| 08:11.47 | babilen | and yes, dch is the tool you want to use to tinker with the changelog file |
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| 08:12.17 | ptman | yeah, I know how to recompile source packages, I just want to make the version number different so that it's recognizable |
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| 08:13.26 | babilen | well, you've figured it out by yourself. You might want to take a look at the new maintainers guide and/or the debian developer reference to learn about the other tools that are available to you |
| 08:13.41 | babilen | have fun :) |
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| 08:13.57 | ptman | babilen, thank you, I sometimes have, when I've packaged stuff, it's just a bit hard to find some small specific detail there |
| 08:14.46 | babilen | If you think that your change might be one that a bunch of users would benefit from, you could file a wishlist bug about it |
| 08:15.16 | ptman | I'm recompiling netatalk with OpenSSL support which seems to be against GPL and DFSG |
| 08:15.17 | babilen | ptman: There is also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net that helps with packaging related problems. Enjoy your new version :) |
| 08:15.29 | babilen | alright, that'll be a problem |
| 08:15.48 | ptman | babilen, yes, but thanks for the pointer to #debian-mentors |
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| 08:23.43 | NoReflex | hello! do you guys know a NTP server that I could access from a restricted network? I have a lenny machine behind a firewall and the only port I can use is 80. I installed ntpdate to try and synchronize manually with a time server but I can't do it because of the firewall. |
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| 08:25.06 | NoReflex | port 80 tcp... |
| 08:26.03 | azeem | NoReflex: ask your admin for an NTP server then I guess |
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| 08:28.41 | sep | NoReflex, script a simple [ cron + wget + http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5 + date ] script |
| 08:29.26 | sep | or http tunnel out to somewhere less restricted. but i guess you should go past your network admin. |
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| 08:30.43 | NoReflex | sep: is there a server for europe as well? time.gov has only us |
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| 08:33.47 | sep | NoReflex, probably i just found that via google. |
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| 08:34.17 | sep | another google search gave http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=187 |
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| 08:35.16 | sep | keep in mind that date sets the time in one big jump. that can affect services in different ways. ntp is much more sane when going about adjusting time. |
| 08:35.36 | sep | also if you are in a windows enviorment pdc's should have time service |
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| 08:40.16 | NoReflex | sep: I will contact the admin and see if they use a NTP server in their network or if he can allow NTP traffic. If that won't work I'll try to set up the script manually. thank you for your help |
| 08:41.18 | oliva | hi there ... when a user belong to different groups is it possible to create files and directory owned by a group that is not the user primary group? |
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| 08:41.56 | ham5 | yes? |
| 08:42.09 | oliva | how? |
| 08:42.18 | ham5 | chown ? |
| 08:42.37 | oliva | I would like it to be done upon file creation ... not after |
| 08:42.42 | oliva | is this possible? |
| 08:42.55 | oliva | to change the effective gid of the running bash? |
| 08:43.01 | ham5 | all the time? |
| 08:43.11 | oliva | just for one session |
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| 08:43.43 | oliva | I need to install some software for all the users of a given group |
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| 08:44.55 | oliva | something like setgid in bash I mean |
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| 08:46.00 | sweetpi | oliva: newgrp? |
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| 08:47.00 | oliva | sweetpi: great thanks :) |
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| 08:47.57 | ham5 | huh :) |
| 08:48.29 | sweetpi | yw |
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| 08:59.27 | dascar | ubuntu , svnserver 1.6, client : tortoisesvn, access method http , problem : Retrieval of mergeinfo unsupported; any ideas ? |
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| 09:00.35 | themill | dascar: try #ubuntu |
| 09:01.31 | Flashtek | anyone know where I can get usb_modeswitch compiled for ARM cpu ideally statically compiled ? |
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| 09:01.53 | Flashtek | [bma]: THE bma ? |
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| 09:03.06 | dhiry2k | hi all,i am getting error as Error 200 Dynamic Display not allowed |
| 09:03.06 | telmich | good morning |
| 09:03.40 | dhiry2k | hi all,i am getting error as Error 200 Dynamic Display not allowed |
| 09:03.57 | telmich | i'm a bit confused, why there's a sudo-ldap package: if one configures nsswitch.conf to use ldap and pam to authenticate against kerberos, there should be no need for it, shouldn't it? |
| 09:04.03 | dhiry2k | any setting require to be done for xserver to allow dynamic display? |
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| 09:08.15 | aixenv | hey guys i have big file i want to cat the rest of the file starting from a specific text string |
| 09:08.31 | aixenv | so basically from the point of my "string" i want to get the rest of the file output |
| 09:09.20 | aixenv | the string is "Time: 100427 1:25:32" (it's a mysql-slow.log) |
| 09:09.51 | pat5star | aixenv: is this a one time thing or you want to do this from a script? |
| 09:09.59 | aixenv | 1time thing is fine |
| 09:10.14 | aixenv | if it takes a 1 liner that's fine too, this seems very elementary but maybe it's cuz it's late i cant grasp how to do it |
| 09:10.27 | pat5star | aixenv: why not open it in vi and do it from there then? |
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| 09:10.44 | themill | aixenv: awk '/^Time: 100427 1:25:32/,EOF' |
| 09:10.47 | Flashtek | aixenv: grep ? |
| 09:11.05 | pat5star | aixenv: I've never had to do something like that so I'm not sure either, although I'm sure there is an easy way to do it...myself I'd just do it from vi |
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| 09:12.14 | aixenv | Flashtek: im not sure how to do that with grep |
| 09:12.15 | pat5star | aixenv: in vi, just go to the line you want to start from then type: :.,$w > file.txt |
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| 09:13.24 | aixenv | pat5star: that didnt work |
| 09:13.30 | aixenv | it's giving me an error |
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| 09:13.39 | pat5star | aixenv: what's the error? |
| 09:13.40 | aixenv | "E494: Use w or w>>" |
| 09:13.51 | eshat | How can I get a list of all packages, that I have installed from experimental ??? |
| 09:14.00 | pat5star | aixenv: oops, oh ya, don't use the > at all |
| 09:14.14 | themill | eshat: /msg dpkg which repo |
| 09:14.18 | aixenv | so :.,$w foo.txt ? |
| 09:14.25 | pat5star | aixenv: yep |
| 09:14.52 | eshat | themill: Thank you |
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| 09:15.12 | aixenv | awesome, i never knew that one :) much appreciation good sir |
| 09:15.17 | aixenv | worked like a charm |
| 09:15.35 | pat5star | aixenv: np yw :) |
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| 09:16.33 | aixenv | now i can goto sleep happy :P |
| 09:17.26 | JyZyXEL | beer also helps with that |
| 09:17.30 | JyZyXEL | going to sleep happy |
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| 09:30.40 | lxsameer | hi , is there any tool for coping a local repo to a series of DVDs ? like debians DVDs? |
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| 09:48.40 | fasta | How can I make sure that autofs does not ask for a password? As root I can already do ssh some_machine_name without being asked a password. |
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| 09:49.11 | zachera | hi, i would like to swap out gnome for fluxbox on a freshly installed debian. |
| 09:49.21 | zachera | can someone lead me to a tutorial/manual for this? or? |
| 09:49.43 | Flashtek | zachera: install fluxbox, then select it as your default de.. easy.. |
| 09:49.56 | zachera | oh, you can override? : |
| 09:49.57 | zachera | :P |
| 09:50.00 | iugrina | fluxbox ain't de |
| 09:50.01 | bioe007 | incredibly helpful there... |
| 09:50.05 | zachera | heh. whoops |
| 09:50.06 | Flashtek | you can install alongside |
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| 09:50.23 | zachera | bioe007: ?? |
| 09:50.34 | wols | zachera: you can have as many different WMs as you want at the same time. if you use gdm to log in you can choose between them on login |
| 09:50.37 | Flashtek | you could even install KDE Gnome anf flux all on one system and switch between them from the login screen |
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| 09:51.36 | bioe007 | zachera: i was referring to the 1st answer you got |
| 09:51.37 | wols | fasta: aptoncd |
| 09:51.58 | zachera | could i type `apt-get remove gnome' and then `apt-get install fluxbox' ? :P |
| 09:52.12 | wols | !remove gnome |
| 09:52.12 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 09:52.14 | Flashtek | might wanna do it the other way about, but sure.. |
| 09:52.23 | fasta | wols, I think you got the wrong one :) |
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| 09:53.11 | zachera | couldnt find package nlibgnome |
| 09:53.31 | wols | zachera: note the ~ there |
| 09:53.39 | themill | zachera: you failed at copy+paste :( |
| 09:53.45 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm assembling a md device out of usb drives. 0) i need a way to uniquely identify each usb drive. i think UUID will do fine for me. am i right? 1) do i need to declare each device in /etc/fstab or will the md process mount the devices on its own? |
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| 09:54.16 | project2501a | 1) in other words, do the drives need to be already mounted before md takes over? |
| 09:54.28 | zachera | >aptitude |
| 09:54.28 | project2501a | speaking of which, i wonder if i can find any minidisks... |
| 09:54.33 | zachera | aptitude != apt-get |
| 09:54.34 | zachera | :P |
| 09:54.56 | zachera | how come when i boot with the debian disk in the CD drive it wont boot the CD |
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| 09:55.09 | zachera | (or for that matter any linux alternative on a CD) |
| 09:55.55 | wols | zachera: set the proper bios settings? |
| 09:56.01 | zachera | i did |
| 09:56.07 | zachera | bios order: CD, HDD |
| 09:56.07 | Meskalyn | what is this permission (chmod) : drwx-wx--T and "how" can I optain the "number" ? |
| 09:56.35 | zachera | wols: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml |
| 09:56.39 | zachera | i mean.. |
| 09:56.41 | zachera | Meskalyn: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml |
| 09:56.42 | zachera | :) |
| 09:56.56 | Meskalyn | yes but can't find the "T" |
| 09:57.06 | fasta | The backlight of my laptop screen turns of when I touch it in the wrong way. Is there a way to control it such that it never goes into power-saving mode or whatever it is that is doing? |
| 09:57.34 | zachera | 'The "t'' indicates that only the user (and root, of course) that created a file in this directory can delete that file.' |
| 09:57.48 | Meskalyn | and I'm also looking for a command who say : "-rwxr--r--" is *** |
| 09:57.50 | zachera | T indicates deletion permissions |
| 09:57.52 | Flashtek | mm... stickybits |
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| 09:58.33 | Flashtek | who came up with these names ? |
| 09:58.53 | azeem | probably Thompson |
| 09:58.56 | Flashtek | I mean, finger.. fsck, mount, stickybits, unzip... |
| 09:59.23 | azeem | unzip is not very unixy |
| 09:59.33 | azeem | and your teenage fantasies are off-topic here |
| 09:59.35 | Flashtek | gawk, more, yes, eject |
| 09:59.48 | Flashtek | oh to be a teenager again.. |
| 09:59.49 | zachera | stfu |
| 09:59.49 | zachera | lol |
| 10:00.02 | zachera | azeem: haha nice call |
| 10:00.11 | Flashtek | perhaps I should reverse my age to make 13 ;-) |
| 10:00.18 | zachera | i'm putting this on bash, lol |
| 10:00.28 | Meskalyn | ok 1730 |
| 10:01.12 | wols | unzip is not a Unix program |
| 10:01.16 | zachera | WTF. |
| 10:01.23 | zachera | okay, this is really strange. |
| 10:01.32 | zachera | debian needs install CD and its in my laptop but its not reading it? |
| 10:02.32 | Flashtek | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor |
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| 10:03.06 | zachera | why wont debian load my CD?! |
| 10:03.12 | zachera | F*** |
| 10:03.25 | Flashtek | zachera: eject -T |
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| 10:04.00 | themill | Flashtek: please take a break from #debian and use that time to grow up a little. |
| 10:04.01 | zachera | woah channel owner? |
| 10:04.06 | bioe007 | whats the command to reconfigure gdm to start on bootup? |
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| 10:06.30 | will | gdm is an init script in /etc/init.d that is launch at bootup |
| 10:07.08 | bioe007 | will: update-rc.d is the command though to create the links in /etc/rcN.d ? |
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| 10:07.53 | Flashtek | puts tail between legs and slinks off in to the corner |
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| 10:08.28 | greenmang0 | !kill greenmang0 |
| 10:08.28 | dpkg | crushes greenmang0 with a rusty dagger |
| 10:09.08 | zachera | ffs |
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| 10:09.13 | zachera | how come debian wont load the CD? |
| 10:09.44 | purpleoptic | I know this sounds stupid but is it burnt right? |
| 10:09.44 | Flashtek | zachera: how exactly do you mean "won't load" ? |
| 10:09.51 | zachera | system boots up |
| 10:09.57 | zachera | CD doesnt load anything |
| 10:09.59 | bioe007 | zachera: have you tried other bruning prog? |
| 10:10.07 | zachera | purpleoptic: its the same CD i used to install debian |
| 10:10.08 | Flashtek | zachera: run a mediacheck ? |
| 10:10.16 | zachera | its like debian has never seen it before... |
| 10:10.35 | bioe007 | you mean its not mounting the cd? |
| 10:10.40 | zachera | i guess |
| 10:10.41 | zachera | IDK |
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| 10:11.10 | purpleoptic | sounds very bizarre to me do any other cd's boot? |
| 10:11.24 | bioe007 | i don't think he means boot |
| 10:11.44 | bioe007 | zachera: you mean you just want to look at the contents of the cd? |
| 10:11.51 | zachera | oh shit |
| 10:11.56 | zachera | i mean, oh s*** |
| 10:11.57 | zachera | it loaded :) |
| 10:12.10 | Flashtek | zachera: did you clean the coffee off it ? |
| 10:12.11 | zachera | that was ... odd... |
| 10:12.14 | purpleoptic | lol |
| 10:12.15 | zachera | Flashtek: heh. |
| 10:12.19 | bioe007 | turn it right side up? |
| 10:12.28 | Flashtek | bioe007: or right side down |
| 10:12.30 | purpleoptic | stop using it as a plate :P |
| 10:12.43 | Flashtek | they don't fly very well.. |
| 10:12.44 | zachera | i put it in upside-down.. haha.. NOT |
| 10:12.48 | bioe007 | 1. remove from toaster , 2. insert in laptop |
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| 10:13.02 | Flashtek | bioe007: toaster.. that's a mac cd burning app... |
| 10:13.12 | zachera | reinstalling WITHOUT GUI |
| 10:13.12 | purpleoptic | hisses |
| 10:13.14 | zachera | screw you gnome. |
| 10:13.16 | zachera | i want fluxbox >:) |
| 10:13.19 | purpleoptic | :P |
| 10:13.37 | purpleoptic | I just got finished doing the exact same zachera :P |
| 10:13.49 | zachera | lol.. |
| 10:13.54 | zachera | not enough coffee? |
| 10:14.03 | zachera | oh, and i dont drink coffee. i hate it. it tastes horrible |
| 10:14.08 | Flashtek | has some.. hence the behaviour earlier.. |
| 10:14.10 | zachera | yes, you can kb me now |
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| 10:14.42 | zachera | is it possible for debian to wipe the HDD |
| 10:14.48 | zachera | rather than install debian |
| 10:15.04 | Flashtek | zachera: depends if you do it wrong/right.. |
| 10:15.08 | will | bioe007: look for /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm |
| 10:15.10 | Flashtek | if you WANT it to it will |
| 10:15.31 | Mowee | Hi o// |
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| 10:15.36 | zachera | o/ |
| 10:15.40 | Flashtek | \o |
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| 10:15.50 | bioe007 | will: ty but i already figured it out |
| 10:15.59 | will | ok |
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| 10:16.18 | idebug | silly question, i know. but after all these years of using debian, i never figured out how to customize some of those xscreensaver messages. ie. phospher just prints "This package was downloaded from http://xorg.freedesktop.org etc etc" |
| 10:17.43 | idebug | no one have any idea? |
| 10:17.49 | bioe007 | will: S30gdm is just a symlink, btw, and *gdm may exist in other rc*.d direcotries too, i just couldn't remeber the command to make those links the debian way |
| 10:18.21 | bioe007 | will: there is actually a nice explanation in /etc/init.d/README |
| 10:18.26 | will | i know that |
| 10:18.36 | will | thx |
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| 10:19.05 | bioe007 | guess we misunderstood each other.. |
| 10:19.11 | zachera | Flashtek: nazi |
| 10:19.17 | zachera | or...? |
| 10:19.21 | zachera | o/ \o |
| 10:19.28 | Flashtek | zachera: \o o/ |
| 10:19.36 | zachera | \o/ |
| 10:19.40 | Pupeno | How can I re-install the mysql databases/tables, to have them as if mysql was just installed? |
| 10:19.44 | Flashtek | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.46 | zachera | o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/ HEIL |
| 10:20.01 | Flashtek | ~\o |
| 10:20.16 | zachera | put it away |
| 10:20.18 | will | i just gave somes clues |
| 10:20.24 | Flashtek | lol |
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| 10:22.19 | Argafal | i was wondering about webkit browsers on lenny. the version of webkit within stable is too old to be used for a lot of reasons (mostly that all the browsers using it depend on newer versions, but also a lot of dev work happened and a lot of API changes took place). I also don't see webkit in backports and the unstable packages would have a whole bunch of ugly dependencies and therefore pull my system 30% into unstable. any ideas how to solve that? |
| 10:22.24 | zachera | wow |
| 10:22.39 | Argafal | or does someone know whether there are plans for a lenny-backports version of webkit? |
| 10:22.45 | zachera | i didnt know irc messages could be that long |
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| 10:24.17 | idebug | ah, i figured it out. had to use xscreensaver instead of kde's version. |
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| 10:27.51 | bioe007 | pronounces victoru having successfully upgraded to squeeze |
| 10:28.11 | petern_ | watches as bioe007 bursts into flames |
| 10:28.35 | bioe007 | screams and runs in circles |
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| 10:29.17 | Flashtek | pisses on bioe007 |
| 10:29.36 | bioe007 | uhm.. thanks? |
| 10:29.39 | Flashtek | lol |
| 10:29.52 | zachera | takes Flashtek's coffee from him |
| 10:29.52 | Flashtek | y/w |
| 10:29.58 | zachera | bad. |
| 10:30.01 | bioe007 | points to Flashtek's full nalgene bottle |
| 10:30.02 | Flashtek | bioe007 just did |
| 10:30.23 | zachera | gives Flashtek's coffee to bioe007 |
| 10:30.41 | bioe007 | wrings Flashtek coffee out of charred remains of clothing |
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| 10:31.37 | zachera | >3:31am |
| 10:31.45 | zachera | ohh.. now i get why we're ... yea... |
| 10:31.53 | zachera | holy crap |
| 10:31.54 | bioe007 | indeed |
| 10:31.57 | Vmanz | zachera US fail. |
| 10:31.58 | bioe007 | goes to sleep |
| 10:32.00 | Flashtek | Tue Apr 27 11:32:00 BST 2010 |
| 10:32.04 | zachera | with default de: 809 packages |
| 10:32.08 | zachera | without default de: 151 packages |
| 10:32.11 | zachera | my god. |
| 10:32.17 | zachera | debian = fat |
| 10:32.26 | zachera | err.. gnome = fat |
| 10:32.26 | Vmanz | fat like your gf yes :P |
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| 10:33.53 | Flashtek | ouch |
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| 10:34.07 | badcloud | oh no he di'in't |
| 10:34.17 | zachera | my gf isnt fat |
| 10:34.21 | badcloud | but yeah, gnome is fat |
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| 10:34.51 | Flashtek | my GF isn't, the wife is though.. |
| 10:34.53 | zachera | fluxbox.. xmpp (sp).. what am i missing? oh yeah, a KICK ASS WALLPAPER FROM /wg/ |
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| 10:35.34 | zachera | whats that music player called again? |
| 10:35.38 | zachera | starts with an x |
| 10:35.42 | Flashtek | xine ? |
| 10:35.45 | qfr | xmms? |
| 10:35.46 | zachera | no |
| 10:35.47 | zachera | xmms. |
| 10:35.49 | zachera | thx |
| 10:35.49 | Flashtek | vlc ? |
| 10:36.01 | zachera | when i think of vlc i think.. movies... porn... nevermind |
| 10:36.04 | badcloud | Flashtek: haha |
| 10:36.10 | badcloud | vlc |
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| 10:37.20 | zachera | wtf.. |
| 10:37.23 | zachera | why does debian need the install disk? |
| 10:37.29 | Flashtek | biab.. |
| 10:37.40 | zachera | is there a way so that in case Flashtek eats my install disk i wont need it anymore? |
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| 10:38.28 | zachera | crap.. |
| 10:38.32 | zachera | I/O error on cd |
| 10:38.41 | zachera | end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 64 |
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| 10:39.02 | donowan | bad cd. |
| 10:39.17 | babilen | zachera: Whatfor do you need the install disk? |
| 10:39.21 | zachera | but i just installed the distribution.... |
| 10:39.25 | zachera | babilen: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 10:39.37 | babilen | zachera: Do you have network connectivity? |
| 10:39.39 | zachera | i bet apt-get is hooked up to the CD to look for packages, aye? |
| 10:39.43 | zachera | babilen: yep. |
| 10:39.49 | babilen | !tell zachera about sources.list |
| 10:40.20 | babilen | zachera: You could also search for a faster mirror near you - /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 10:40.49 | zachera | how do i remove CD from sources.list |
| 10:40.52 | donowan | ya, go online. |
| 10:41.11 | donowan | using kernel-2.6.32. encountering "drm: fill_in_dev" error during boot-up. any solution? |
| 10:41.18 | babilen | zachera: If you need contrib or non-free packages you should append "contrib non-free" after "main" in the "deb http://..." line - /msg dpkg contrib and /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 10:41.30 | babilen | zachera: You can just remove the line that refers to the CD |
| 10:41.49 | donowan | jsust comment it out. |
| 10:42.11 | zachera | yeah. |
| 10:42.15 | zachera | babilen: http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=263633 |
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| 10:42.37 | babilen | zachera: And make sure that you run "aptitude update" afterwards. You might want to familiarise yourself with Debian. A good starting point is the Debian Reference - /msg dpkg reference or /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:42.39 | zachera | where is sources.list |
| 10:43.02 | babilen | zachera: Which package manager do you use? |
| 10:43.06 | zachera | apt-get |
| 10:43.31 | babilen | zachera: sources.list is at /etc/apt/sources.list - and you should use aptitude - /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 10:44.04 | babilen | donowan: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 10:44.23 | donowan | ok. |
| 10:44.36 | zachera | babilen: `su' `nano /etc/apt/sources.list' comment out CD |
| 10:44.39 | babilen | zachera: If you are unsure about your your modifications to the sources.list paste it to http://paste.debian.net and let me/us have a look |
| 10:44.58 | zachera | babilen: TMI, i got it, THX |
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| 10:45.45 | babilen | zachera: Yeah, but you need to add *new* sources that point to a mirror of your choice. The easiest way to do so is just to include the "deb http:// .." line with your country code in it |
| 10:46.17 | zachera | thats already nicely setup |
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| 10:46.37 | zachera | sources.list is already configured properly. apt-get install worked 100%, and its FAST |
| 10:47.00 | babilen | zachera: Use aptitude and not apt-get :) |
| 10:47.53 | babilen | (but that is some kind of religious debate - but *I* and Debian still recommends to use aptitude as default package manager for lenny) |
| 10:48.24 | babilen | zachera: anything else you need help with? |
| 10:49.30 | zachera | w00t |
| 10:49.31 | zachera | fluxbox :D |
| 10:49.39 | badcloud | word. |
| 10:49.47 | badcloud | love fluxb |
| 10:50.10 | zachera | `nano .xinitrc' add `exec fluxbox' and then `startx' ^_^ |
| 10:50.40 | babilen | :) |
| 10:50.48 | babilen | zachera: Enjoy your new setup |
| 10:51.28 | zachera | thanks |
| 10:51.41 | zachera | hehe... chromium |
| 10:51.46 | badcloud | what's the hardware, zachera? |
| 10:51.52 | zachera | amd 64-bit |
| 10:51.53 | zachera | laptop |
| 10:51.57 | badcloud | noice |
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| 10:52.20 | zachera | badcloud: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147926 |
| 10:52.40 | zachera | (screw you vista) |
| 10:53.09 | badcloud | sweet |
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| 10:54.34 | zachera | oh, xorg on boot? |
| 10:54.52 | babilen | hmm? |
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| 10:55.27 | sweetpi | xdm? |
| 10:55.37 | zachera | yea |
| 10:55.53 | zachera | wtf... |
| 10:56.00 | zachera | `apt-get install chromium' installed some stupid game |
| 10:56.06 | babilen | or gdm, kdm, ... |
| 10:56.14 | zachera | xdm |
| 10:56.22 | babilen | zachera: chromium (the browser) is not yet packaged for Debian, but it will be soon |
| 10:56.39 | zachera | how do i remove all the other crap it installed iwth it |
| 10:57.16 | babilen | zachera: Just "aptitude remove chromium" or "aptitude purge chromium" and the dependencies will be removed as well |
| 10:57.32 | babilen | zachera: You *really* want to take a look at the Debian reference :) |
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| 10:58.23 | zachera | oh... you know... |
| 10:58.26 | babilen | zachera: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520324 |
| 10:59.14 | babilen | zachera: Yes, but I rather teach people how they can educate themselves than spoon-feeding them solutions to problems they don't understand |
| 10:59.53 | zachera | i know most of the solutions to questions i ask |
| 11:00.01 | zachera | just specifications that i forget |
| 11:00.15 | babilen | zachera: See message 267 in that bug report - you can find preliminary packages at http://people.debian.org/~iuculano/chromium/ |
| 11:00.20 | zachera | i.e. i know how to remove packages, but i forgot how to remove all packages associated with the package i want to remove |
| 11:00.35 | babilen | zachera: aptitude will remove those automagically |
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| 11:21.25 | courpse | Whats a good channel to join for #proftpd help that might be active? |
| 11:21.52 | dmarkey | how does one specify a list of modules to be included in an initrd |
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| 11:23.53 | sep | depends on your initrd generation tool. but /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is one example |
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| 11:35.33 | abrotman | courpse: probably better to ask #proftpd and be patient, or try the channel for your distro if you're lucky |
| 11:35.58 | courpse | yeah, debian is my distro, and im in proftpd. |
| 11:35.59 | courpse | :/ |
| 11:36.04 | courpse | Mind if i ask here then? |
| 11:36.31 | SPF | I wonder which one is better, vsftpd or proftpd? |
| 11:37.30 | courpse | Well, i've installed it, its running, whenever i try to connect to it, it says: "no control connection for command: permission denied" |
| 11:37.39 | babilen | courpse: logs? |
| 11:37.47 | abrotman | courpse: you can try, but don't be surprised if the best answer you get is "don't use ftp" :) |
| 11:37.47 | courpse | logs dont show an error. |
| 11:37.53 | courpse | it say the user connected, the disconnected. |
| 11:37.55 | abrotman | courpse: passive mode ? |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | SPF: generally, vsftpd is considered to be more secure-ish code |
| 11:38.14 | courpse | Unsure tbh, i just used ftp localhost to test it. |
| 11:38.25 | abrotman | courpse: is there a firewall involved ? |
| 11:38.28 | courpse | newp. |
| 11:38.42 | courpse | vsftpd i hear cant do multi vertial users in different dirs. |
| 11:38.52 | abrotman | virtual ? |
| 11:38.59 | courpse | Yeah. |
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| 11:44.18 | Nurbs | courpse: It can do. I've served a few virtual users in the past, all mapped to one system account and different directories. |
| 11:44.31 | courpse | oh nice. |
| 11:44.43 | courpse | Maybe i'll tell proftpd to shove it and try vsftpd. |
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| 11:45.10 | abrotman | heh |
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| 11:58.31 | kroddnoMobil | Hi |
| 11:58.55 | kroddnoMobil | Can I use amd64 for an Intel Atom Processor, or is i386 the only compatible version? |
| 11:59.41 | abrotman | kroddnoMobil: depends on the actual CPU model |
| 11:59.47 | abrotman | some can do 64bit, some cannot |
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| 12:00.23 | babilen | kroddnoMobil: Boot a live CD and check the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" if it has "lm" in there you can use amd64 |
| 12:01.04 | abrotman | or just say the heck with it and use i386 :) |
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| 12:03.28 | Nurbs | *sigh* The laptop's always overheating during install. Should try with another kernel I guess. |
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| 12:10.13 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:10.13 | dpkg | < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
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| 12:14.30 | ReeF | good morning :D |
| 12:15.34 | aguitel | how to write this image :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso to the pendrive to boot with it and install the system ? |
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| 12:16.41 | mkt | how install squid 3.1 in debian lenny ? |
| 12:17.29 | babilen | ,versions squid3 |
| 12:17.31 | judd | squid3 -- etch: 3.0.PRE5-5+etch1; etch-security: 3.0.PRE5-5+etch2; lenny: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 3.0.STABLE19-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.0.STABLE19-1; sid: 3.1.1-3 |
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| 12:17.51 | babilen | mkt: You could try to backport it from sid - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:18.10 | aleray | hi, is there any ppc version of the debian live cd ? |
| 12:18.20 | mkt | babilen , thanks |
| 12:18.45 | babilen | aleray: I don't think so |
| 12:19.21 | aleray | babilen, any way I could make one? or could you point me to another distro that proposes one ? |
| 12:19.24 | mkt | babilen, but not chance the libc6? |
| 12:20.08 | mkt | of version lenny to sid |
| 12:20.08 | mkt | ? |
| 12:20.33 | adb | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/squeeze-builds/current/powerpc/ |
| 12:20.48 | adb | aleray, ^^ |
| 12:21.10 | babilen | mkt: I haven't tried it - if squid 3.1 needs a newer version of libc6 you are out of luck. But I haven't tried it yet and you can check the dependencies yourself :) |
| 12:21.22 | babilen | adb++ |
| 12:21.40 | aleray | adb, oua! |
| 12:21.42 | aleray | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.48 | adb | yw |
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| 12:23.11 | aleray | it's rather hidden isn't it ? |
| 12:23.18 | adb | aleray, and you may build your ppc debian-live too . see #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:24.47 | aleray | adb, ok cool :-) |
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| 12:25.51 | adb | aleray, /msg dpkg live |
| 12:26.21 | aguitel | how to write this image :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso to the pendrive to boot with it and install the system ? |
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| 12:27.52 | suw | hello |
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| 12:28.32 | babilen | !tell aguitel about usb install |
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| 12:32.25 | suw | clamav problems? |
| 12:32.28 | suw | clamav-daemon: Depends: clamav-base (= 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1) but 0.96+dfsg-4~volatile1 is to be installed |
| 12:33.00 | babilen | !tell suw -about bat |
| 12:33.01 | suw | is clamav-daemon become obsolete? |
| 12:33.05 | Nurbs | It seems that I can't get Debian to install on my notebook; it's always overheating with the nightly and lenny amd64 installers. Any ideas? I suppose that the fan isn't controlled correctly, but I can't find any information on that model (Acer Aspire 8530) and Linux. |
| 12:33.48 | suw | babilien: can't install clamav-daemon - the err is what i post-it |
| 12:33.59 | suw | apt-get install clamav-daemon... << err, |
| 12:34.21 | fasta | Nurbs, does it work correctly with $OTHER_OS? |
| 12:34.30 | suw | using aptitude - clamav daemon is wrecked. - it starts but does not accept connections |
| 12:34.51 | fasta | Nurbs, overheating is normally a hardware issue. |
| 12:35.10 | Nurbs | fasta: Yes, it's been working fine for months (and still is working fine) on Windows even with higher CPU and graphics loads (e.g. 3D games) |
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| 12:35.36 | Nurbs | I assume that fan control or sensors aren't working correctly during the install |
| 12:35.47 | fasta | Nurbs, ok, that is weird indeed. If you want to help yourself, you could read about the platform drivers for your platform. |
| 12:36.45 | babilen | suw: Ok, if you want to: Which branch of Debian are you tracking? What is the output of apt-cache policy clamav-daemon? What is the output of apt-cache clamav-base? Could you paste the output of apt-cache policy too? |
| 12:36.59 | Nurbs | I will give i386 and possibly some other distribution a try to see if the same happens |
| 12:37.02 | suw | babilen: oh - sorry - stable version |
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| 12:37.56 | suw | clamav-base daemon can't be installed until is forced with aptitude. I don't want to do that, I've uninstall it. |
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| 12:38.14 | babilen | ,depends clamav-daemon |
| 12:38.17 | judd | clamav-daemon -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libclamav5 (>= 0.94.dfsg.2), libgmp3c2, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), clamav-base (= 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2), clamav-freshclam | clamav-data, lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), ucf. |
| 12:39.28 | suw | babilen: clamav-daemon pool/volatile/main/c/clamav/clamav-base_0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1_all.deb |
| 12:39.45 | SilentAnswers | Has a new freeze timeframe been announced for squeeze? I can't seem to find anything on Debian's website. |
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| 12:39.56 | suw | isnt clamav only on volatile? |
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| 12:40.07 | babilen | suw: Please provide the information I asked you about on a pastebin |
| 12:40.09 | project2501a | is there a way to tell the kernel that a specific device on a specific port must always be recognised as a specific /dev/sdx1 device? |
| 12:40.15 | EmleyMoor | clamav is updated more frequently on volatile |
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| 12:40.25 | abrotman | SilentAnswers: same as when you asked a few days ago ? |
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| 12:40.43 | abrotman | !tell SilentAnswers about wwsr |
| 12:40.49 | Hodapp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571255 . . . does anyone have suggestions for how to fix this? Because currently I am without an X server because of it. |
| 12:40.57 | mugwort13 | anyone know a way to transfer emails from one pop server to another? ... if there even is a way |
| 12:41.17 | suw | EmleyMoor: ok, volatile clamav-data version is 0.95 and clamav-daemon version is 0.94 |
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| 12:41.31 | abrotman | Hodapp: using a daily is probably a much better idea than CD1 |
| 12:41.35 | SilentAnswers | abrotman: ... Excuse me? Not a question I've EVER asked. Here, or elsewhere. |
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| 12:41.51 | project2501a | are there girls on the internets? |
| 12:42.09 | babilen | !tell project2501a about uuid |
| 12:42.26 | babilen | project2501a: and yes, there are plenty of woman/girls on the internet |
| 12:42.27 | Hodapp | abrotman: I don't know that I'm using said CD1, but I do know that I've hit the issue described in that bug report. |
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| 12:42.53 | babilen | project2501a: you could also use filesystem labels if you find uuids ugly |
| 12:43.05 | intosh | anybody having geode lx800 board and suffering problems with suspending when in X? |
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| 12:44.17 | SilentAnswers | abrotman: As far as the "when it's ready," my question was not "when is squeeze going to be released?" My question was, "Has anything else been announced by the Release Team?" |
| 12:44.42 | kroddnoMobil | abrotman: thanks, it seems to be a 64 bit supported one |
| 12:44.46 | project2501a | babilen: much appreciated :) |
| 12:44.53 | kroddnoMobil | Its an Atom 520 and it lists lm |
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| 12:46.11 | project2501a | babilen: the problem is that i'm using 6 usb devices as the physical layer for an md array. to my understanding you don't mount them in /etc/fstab in order to be used by the mdarray |
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| 12:47.34 | babilen | project2501a: I don't use software raids, so I can't really help you with that, but its not that unlikely that you can use UUIDs in lieu of /dev/sd* identifiers interchangeably in a bunch of places .. |
| 12:48.06 | project2501a | babilen: i wonder if i can set UUID in the disk using mkfs.... |
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| 12:49.11 | babilen | project2501a: I would rather use filesystems labels then ... check the tune2fs manpage .. you can set UUID and labels with that |
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| 12:49.34 | babilen | project2501a: Just make sure that the identifiers are unique |
| 12:50.01 | project2501a | true. but the thing is, the disks are not mounted and individually do not have a filesystem |
| 12:50.09 | babilen | project2501a: But as I said: No idea if that works with software raids - but i would be mildly surprised if not |
| 12:50.18 | project2501a | i wonder how does mdadmin recognise that the disks were already part of an array... |
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| 12:51.24 | abrotman | Hodapp: try a nightly netinst |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | SilentAnswers: did you read the URLs the bot gave you? |
| 12:51.45 | Hodapp | reinstalling everything is really not an option here |
| 12:53.04 | abrotman | Hodapp: put your exact output in a pastebin, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:53.26 | project2501a | this is wierd.... dmesg says that the usb hd i plugged in right now is /sdev/sda1 |
| 12:53.33 | project2501a | which makes no sense |
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| 12:54.56 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.02 | project2501a | in an md array |
| 12:55.03 | project2501a | hm |
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| 12:58.27 | project2501a | well yeah, this makes sence :} i was in runlevel 2 "} |
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| 13:05.24 | kurkale6ka | Hi, what does this do: exec 3<foo? |
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| 13:12.42 | jelly-hme | kurkale6ka: opens the file foo for reading and binds it to current shell's file descriptor #3 |
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| 13:13.04 | mxh | sanderj |
| 13:13.23 | jelly-hme | kurkale6ka: if you're using bash, "help exec" |
| 13:13.23 | sanderj | What? |
| 13:15.35 | jelly-hme | "I like to annoy people by highlighting them and not saying anything of interest, and I think sanderj will be my next victim!" |
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| 13:15.51 | jelly-hme | that's my interpretation, anyway |
| 13:16.31 | kurkale6ka | jelly-hme: thx, what you first said is nowhere to be found in help exec |
| 13:17.06 | jelly-hme | "If COMMAND is not specified, any redirections take effect in the current shell." |
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| 13:18.13 | xperia | hello to all. i have some memory problems while running php. for some strange reason everytime a php script is executed on my server the usage of the swap space increase. after one day of heavy usage the swap memory is full used and the server freeze then ! why does this happen and how can i empty the used swap space ? |
| 13:18.35 | kurkale6ka | it is not the same, besides 3<foo is not really a redirection, neither 3, nor foo is a command |
| 13:18.44 | kurkale6ka | jelly-hme: ^^ |
| 13:19.25 | jelly-hme | kurkale6ka: 3< is a redirection just like <, >, or 2> are |
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| 13:19.28 | themill | kurkale6ka: err... "3<foo" is a redirection, that's the point |
| 13:19.34 | xperia | can i purge somehow with a crontab the swap space ? |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | swapoff/swapon ? |
| 13:20.09 | abrotman | wouldn't it be better to fix the script ? |
| 13:20.12 | SilentAnswers | xperia: What web server are you using? |
| 13:20.30 | kurkale6ka | themill: jelly-hme ok, tell me then exactly what this redirection means, regardless of exec |
| 13:21.26 | xperia | debian lenny |
| 13:21.41 | themill | kurkale6ka: man bash has a long section on "REDIRECTION". The particlar bit you're looking for in that is "redirecting input" |
| 13:22.01 | feitingen | xperia: you can purge it easily with dd if=/dev/null of=/your/swap/space, but it would crash a lot of things. I think your php script is leaking memory and that should be fixed instead. (ps: don't try the dd thing) |
| 13:22.15 | SilentAnswers | xperia: No, like apache or whatnot. |
| 13:22.46 | jelly-hme | kurkale6ka: perhaps if you provided some context, a more meaningful answer might present itself. |
| 13:23.11 | xperia | well okay thanks a lot for the info. i have just running top in the console and looking all the time what happen. it is strange everytime the php script finish the usage of the swap memory increase |
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| 13:23.36 | xperia | SilentAnswers: it is appache2 |
| 13:23.41 | xperia | with php5 |
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| 13:25.29 | SilentAnswers | xperia: While I have heard of instances of apache2/php5 memory leaks, I somewhat doubt that this is the case. I'd follow the others' advice, and make sure that the script you're running isn't leaving allocated memory. I'm no PHP expert, though. |
| 13:25.55 | kurkale6ka | themill: I was just reading this example: http://vim.pastey.net/135762 |
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| 13:26.29 | xperia | SilentAnswers: thank you a lot for the answer. if i could only know how to trace memory leaks this would be allready a step forward for me. |
| 13:26.40 | Liquid-Silence | hi guys question quickly how do I force update the debian menu? |
| 13:27.00 | Liquid-Silence | err debian menu == gnome menu |
| 13:27.14 | EmleyMoor | Liquid-Silence: Try "update-menus" |
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| 13:27.36 | SilentAnswers | xperia: A couple of other questions, if I may. What is the main purpose of the script in question? Doing a lot with databases, by any chance? |
| 13:27.45 | Liquid-Silence | EmleyMoor: I compiled firefox from source and I dont get a menu icon :P |
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| 13:28.09 | EmleyMoor | Liquid-Silence: You will have to write a menu file for it then |
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| 13:28.24 | xperia | yes a lot of database updates and xml feed parser |
| 13:28.45 | SilentAnswers | xperia: INSERT queries? |
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| 13:29.28 | xperia | SilentAnswers: only "UPDATE" querys |
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| 13:30.24 | xperia | btw. i needed to comment out the line mysql_free($result) for this query |
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| 13:30.48 | xperia | as i got allways warrings messages for this querys |
| 13:31.03 | courpse | Didnt we solve that issue? |
| 13:31.05 | SilentAnswers | xperia: I've done a little digging, and there's been some recent chatter of minor memory leaks in the mysqli module, which I'm assuming you're using in order to work with the DB. As far as mysql_free_result, that's garbage collection. You kind of need that. |
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| 13:31.45 | courpse | xperia, Is this that same query from in ##php the other day? |
| 13:32.31 | xperia | courpse: yeah exactly . it is the same query |
| 13:32.48 | courpse | Didnt we solve the issue of query errors? |
| 13:32.53 | SilentAnswers | xperia: I'm sorry, mysql_free_result is only for mid-script garbage collection. All allocated memory is freed at the end of the script. I think you might be encountering the mysqli memory leak that I've read of, though I'm not sure. |
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| 13:33.21 | xperia | okay thanks |
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| 13:33.59 | xperia | i am really sad had allready heavy freezes on my server becouse of this freezes |
| 13:34.13 | xperia | maybe i will ask also in the mysql channel what they say |
| 13:34.21 | tvjudge | Hi Im a new bie to debian Bonsai, fairly familiar with Ubuntu though, trying to get my desktop to run on a new install can someone pls give me a little assistance? |
| 13:34.58 | delby | hi there, i am using apache on lenny. when i write http://localhost in my browser, it takes me to /var/www. where is that defined? |
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| 13:35.50 | xperia | courpse: we solved the querys and the database updates works great with your help from yesterday but for some strange reason now with this heavy amount of database updates my memory is filled up and after a while the whole server freeze up |
| 13:36.06 | the-dude | delby: check for documentroot in /etc/apache1 |
| 13:36.07 | courpse | oh, :/ |
| 13:36.09 | the-dude | apache2 |
| 13:36.14 | sweetpi | delby: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 13:36.22 | courpse | Not releasing each query, :/ |
| 13:36.35 | xperia | need to find out why after the finish of the script the usage of the swap space increase allways |
| 13:36.42 | courpse | Are you running this script every X minutes, or are you looping via the same code every X minutes/ |
| 13:37.24 | courpse | If you're runing the script every X minuts with php -f CLI, then its def not the php using excess memory. |
| 13:38.27 | xperia | courpse: i run it with crontab every 1 minute by calling it with wget http://myserver.com/myscript |
| 13:38.38 | babilen | tvjudge: Turn your computer on, boot Debian and use it would be a good start ;) |
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| 13:39.10 | delby | sweetpi: the-dude: thanks. |
| 13:39.38 | courpse | xperia, maybe try using a controb to run: php -f filename |
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| 13:40.56 | xperia | courpse: will just try it. hope really that it will solve the problem |
| 13:41.07 | courpse | xperia: */1 * * * * php -f scriptname.php >/dev/null 2>$1 |
| 13:41.27 | xperia | courpse: woow |
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| 13:48.13 | xperia | courpse: testing it at the moment how it works |
| 13:48.43 | Liquid-Silence | hmm I am pondering moving to kde |
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| 13:49.06 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: You have our blessings |
| 13:49.10 | Liquid-Silence | lol |
| 13:49.15 | Liquid-Silence | people dislike kde? |
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| 13:49.39 | babilen | I do, others don't ... Use it if you are happy with it. :) |
| 13:50.17 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: Please don't /msg me - and no, i'm not using KDE at all |
| 13:50.56 | thrashold | Liquid-Silence: Let's just say that KDE used to be nice some time ago. :) (But I still like it more than alternatives :) ) |
| 13:51.02 | Liquid-Silence | then how can you say you like it? |
| 13:51.22 | Liquid-Silence | I just have a serious issue with gtk |
| 13:51.38 | themill | Liquid-Silence: lots of people like KDE. You should just go ahead and try it for yourself. |
| 13:52.17 | Liquid-Silence | lol |
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| 13:52.28 | Liquid-Silence | apt-get autoremove lists 800mb of packages |
| 13:52.29 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: It does not fit the way I am working with a computer - But we should not discuss this as my opinion towards desktop environments is not relevant for your decision .. |
| 13:52.33 | Liquid-Silence | I am sure that will break something |
| 13:52.51 | rzeka | I've got sendmail @ debian lenny 64bit. I am trying to create aliases for mail (I've got MX record in dns too) eg.: mymail@domain.com -> myothermail@gmail.com. Sendmail is installed and nothing touched there because I cannot find any good how-to. Any ideas? |
| 13:53.37 | babilen | rzeka: shouldn't /etc/aliases work? It does with exim, not sure about sendmail though. |
| 13:53.57 | courpse | (Offtopic, but i read that as mymotherfail@gmailc.om :/) |
| 13:54.16 | courpse | *facepalms* |
| 13:54.26 | justin | rzeka: why are you using sendmail? |
| 13:54.27 | babilen | hehe |
| 13:54.52 | dimir | ye |
| 13:54.57 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: "aptitude unmarkauto" ftw! |
| 13:54.58 | rzeka | justin, I don't care which I will use. Sendmail, postfix, exim4. I just need aliases :D |
| 13:55.01 | xperia | courpse: you are a genius really. it works everything now like expected. awesome man. do you have a paypal account i just want to thank you with some small donatation for your help today and yesterday |
| 13:55.10 | babilen | rzeka: well, configure them in /etc/aliases |
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| 13:55.16 | xperia | btw. swap usage is stoped :-) |
| 13:55.34 | xperia | finally i have the server working the way i like :-) |
| 13:55.35 | rzeka | like mymail@domain.com:myothermail@gmail.com ? |
| 13:55.46 | Sneex | oO |
| 13:55.48 | babilen | xperia: A "thank you" is enough most of the time - if you want to be generous try a "!coffee courpse" ;) |
| 13:55.49 | courpse | xperia, lol, good to hear it works, No need for donations, :) |
| 13:56.45 | rzeka | I am noob @ mail cases :( |
| 13:56.45 | xperia | well okay. thanks is said a lot you know. as i am a man of facts i prefer from time to time to see also some facts beside the words |
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| 13:57.29 | courpse | Welp, usually if someone is after help, they wont say 'you are a genius' if it failed. |
| 13:57.32 | courpse | So thanks is fact, :) |
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| 13:57.55 | donowan | assuming i have mounted my backup drive as /mnt. to backup everything in /home, would 'cp -r /home /mnt' do? |
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| 13:57.59 | babilen | rzeka: rather: "localaccount: otheraccount@host.tld" or something like this - but read the sendmail docs for specific information on the syntax and the supported directives |
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| 13:58.35 | Liquid-Silence | my desktop feels incomplete |
| 13:58.49 | xperia | courpse: hmmmm and what if somebody cant help you ? in this moment having some money on the bank account would be not bad :-) but okay if you need help anytime and see me here on the irc just tell it me |
| 13:58.52 | babilen | Liquid-Silence: comfort your desktop then |
| 13:59.04 | thrashold | Ugh, when will KDE 4.4 be in sid? :) Installing it from experimental would be a bad idea, right? :) |
| 13:59.07 | xperia | i would be gald to help you |
| 13:59.09 | os_admin | on a essayé de se connecter via ssh sur une machine distante , on a rencontré ce problème voila ci-dessous les traces de connection |
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| 13:59.15 | Liquid-Silence | babilen: I am trying |
| 13:59.21 | courpse | xperia, lol, i'll keep that in mind, money in bank is great, but not for helping out a fellow user. |
| 13:59.23 | Liquid-Silence | maybe e17 or lxde |
| 13:59.25 | Liquid-Silence | not sure |
| 13:59.28 | Sneex | Liquid-Silence: How many desktops have you tried? |
| 13:59.29 | donowan | or should it be 'cp -r /home /mnt/home'? |
| 13:59.53 | Liquid-Silence | I come from openbox (heavly customized) |
| 14:00.02 | Liquid-Silence | so everything feels not so complete atm |
| 14:00.21 | Sneex | why move from openbox? |
| 14:00.29 | Liquid-Silence | because I like compiz :) |
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| 14:00.38 | Titan8990 | donowan: -a if you want to preserve timestamps and permissions |
| 14:00.39 | Liquid-Silence | and... I wanted something more rich |
| 14:00.44 | Liquid-Silence | gnome is it |
| 14:00.54 | Liquid-Silence | but lacking... |
| 14:01.05 | donowan | Titan8990: -r -a ? |
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| 14:01.15 | Titan8990 | donowan: just -a, look at the manpage |
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| 14:03.02 | aguitel | babilen, i am tying to make boot with pendrive and have this error:bash: install-mbr: command not found |
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| 14:03.02 | chid | oh, hai courpse |
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| 14:03.02 | Sneex | Liquid-Silence: gnome has a longer history of troubles that have been smoothed out in recent; KDE has had stable history but has lagged in the development cycle of obtaining newer stuff; mind you, all this is relative to the actual under-lying OpSys -- some are more adventurous than others, therefore you should try out as many as you can. |
| 14:03.02 | donowan | my concern is the filesystem spec. should it be 'cp -a /home /mnt' or 'cp -a /home /mnt/home'? |
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| 14:03.02 | courpse | lol, hai. |
| 14:03.12 | courpse | I think i've got a stalker, :/ |
| 14:03.18 | os_admin | i try to connect via ssh to another server, i have this problem |
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| 14:03.34 | courpse | wow, that guys a tad slow on it. |
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| 14:04.02 | babilen | aguitel: it's /sbin/install-mbr and shipped with the mbr package - are you root? |
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| 14:04.18 | donowan | Titan8990: my concern is the filesystem spec. should it be 'cp -a /home /mnt' or 'cp -a /home /mnt/home'? |
| 14:04.22 | Titan8990 | donowan: filesystem spec? |
| 14:04.32 | aguitel | babilen, yes i am root |
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| 14:04.54 | donowan | filespec. |
| 14:05.08 | aguitel | babilen, /sbin/install-mbr: No such file or directory |
| 14:05.23 | Titan8990 | In MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows, filespec is a term meaning a filename identifier that specifies one or?because of wildcard characters -- more than one file. |
| 14:05.23 | babilen | !tell aguitel -about installit |
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| 14:05.37 | rzeka | Is this MX record ok? ; ) "rzeka.net mail is handled by 10 rzeka.net." |
| 14:05.42 | courpse | os_admin, May i suggest using a www.pastebin.com ? |
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| 14:06.12 | babilen | aguitel: although that step is rarely needed |
| 14:06.13 | smhar | ok.. this is strange... how can a 10GB partition (A) accommodate 30GB files but a 20GB partition (B) can not??? this happened to me today when debian complained B is 'almost' full. It is mostly amule downloaded files. when checked, files were totaling 30GB. since the downloads are not complete, I assume this is this 'to-be' size not there current size!! I move them to a 20GB partition but they were taking actual files space compared to their final size!! what |
| 14:06.13 | Titan8990 | donowan: most likely the 2nd with a trailing / |
| 14:06.14 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:06.46 | Sneex | rzeka: is that sentence in your actual zone data file? |
| 14:06.51 | os_admin | hello |
| 14:06.51 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 14:06.59 | rzeka | I just checked |
| 14:07.03 | rzeka | host rzeka.net |
| 14:07.10 | Titan8990 | Sneex: it could be downloading to /tmp prior to moving to your expected location |
| 14:07.10 | aguitel | babilen, mbr is not installed in my pc |
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| 14:07.22 | os_admin | i have this problem when i try to connect to another server via ssh |
| 14:07.23 | Sneex | rzeka: well, then it looks OK |
| 14:07.26 | babilen | aguitel: well, install it if you need it |
| 14:07.32 | rzeka | :) A record (rzeka.net) and MX record (rzeka.net) points same thing but.. A points ip, MX points rzeka.net (itself) |
| 14:07.35 | os_admin | OpenSSH_3.6.1p2,SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f |
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| 14:07.36 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 14:07.48 | Sneex | hard as a rock :P |
| 14:07.58 | babilen | *sigh* os_admin really likes being kicked :) |
| 14:08.04 | Sneex | apparently |
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| 14:09.11 | Sneex | rzeka: lets start over -- what MTA are you using where the /etc/alias file is expected to change addresses? |
| 14:09.59 | rzeka | I've got exim4 (installed only). I have MX pointer to my server but I didn't configure anything at machine. |
| 14:10.34 | Sneex | rzeka: by defasult Exim4 will not deliver mail to the Internet, it is localhost only |
| 14:11.04 | rzeka | Yeah and I need to transfer mails coming to rzeka@rzeka.net to gmail.com. And I have no idea how to work with that |
| 14:11.09 | aburch | It will deliver mail to the internet, but not wait for mail from the internet. |
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| 14:11.15 | Sneex | rzeka: Also, you have to set a handler to tell exim4 to use aliases, it doesn't do that by deauilt either |
| 14:11.37 | justin | exim doesn't do aliases by default? since when? |
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| 14:11.40 | rzeka | But I have no idea how :( |
| 14:11.52 | Titan8990 | justin: it does |
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| 14:12.29 | Titan8990 | either way, the answer is: read the exim docs |
| 14:12.30 | justin | rzeka: google "example /etc/aliases file" |
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| 14:13.04 | os_admin | hello |
| 14:13.10 | Titan8990 | !tell os_admin paste |
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| 14:13.22 | Titan8990 | !tell os_admin about paste |
| 14:13.26 | babilen | rzeka: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.69/doc/html/spec_html/ch22.html |
| 14:13.45 | rzeka | thanks |
| 14:13.57 | os_admin | i have a problem when i try to connect to another server via ssh |
| 14:14.19 | Titan8990 | we know... |
| 14:14.36 | babilen | os_admin: Please paste whatever output you get to http://paste.debian.net and *not* in the channel (you get kicked because of that) |
| 14:14.58 | adb | os_admin, quelque chose à coller ? http://pastealacon.com/ |
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| 14:15.33 | abrotman | adb: english in this channel |
| 14:15.34 | Sneex | rzeka: I apologize :P Exim4 doesn't handle pipes inside aliases by default :P |
| 14:15.43 | os_admin | OpenSSH_3.6.1p2,SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f |
| 14:15.53 | os_admin | debug1:Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 14:16.03 | os_admin | debug1:Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. |
| 14:16.13 | rzeka | Sneex, does webmin or something like that allows me to configure mail system on machine via gui? ; ) I think it would be easier for me :) |
| 14:16.17 | os_admin | debug1:Connecting to ns1022.imingo.net [81.28.96.181] port 624. |
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| 14:16.19 | rzeka | There are thing I just cannot understand |
| 14:16.19 | FriedrichMan | hey guys |
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| 14:16.25 | babilen | os_admin: http://paste.debian.net !!!!! |
| 14:16.26 | FriedrichMan | got a question about monitoring |
| 14:16.37 | babilen | FriedrichMan: well - ask it ;) |
| 14:16.48 | Sneex | webmin uses Postfix via a Web/HTTP interface yes |
| 14:16.50 | FriedrichMan | how can I do something like #watch netstat -putan but getting dns's instead of ip format |
| 14:17.20 | FriedrichMan | is there a way around it? |
| 14:17.25 | FriedrichMan | maybe with some other app |
| 14:17.40 | qfr | What do the iptables numbers after "PREROUTING ACCEPT" and such mean? Very long decimals, I suspect it's some mask or possibly even a decimal IPv4 address |
| 14:18.16 | thrashold | qfr: byte and packet counters, most likely |
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| 14:18.25 | babilen | FriedrichMan: Well, if you ask netstat to display numerical addresses (-n) it will obey ... why do you use that option? |
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| 14:19.12 | FriedrichMan | babilen: so there's a way to tell netstat 'hey, give me dns's instead of ips? |
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| 14:19.40 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: it does that by default, you told it not to |
| 14:19.43 | babilen | FriedrichMan: It's the default behaviour - but you used the -n option which will cause netstat to display numerical addresses (i.e. IP adresses) |
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| 14:20.05 | FriedrichMan | oh.... silly me |
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| 14:20.13 | babilen | FriedrichMan: May i suggest a "man netstat" ? |
| 14:20.47 | unkmar | os_admin: have you figured out the pastebin suggestion yet? |
| 14:20.48 | FriedrichMan | babilen: man pages can be pretty hostile to spanish speakers |
| 14:21.16 | babilen | FriedrichMan: Install Spanish manpages then (manpages-es) |
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| 14:21.53 | FriedrichMan | I did and they are not what you'd expect them to |
| 14:21.57 | os_admin | ok i paste it in http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:21.59 | babilen | not sure if that will get you a manpage in Spanish for netstat though :-\ |
| 14:21.59 | FriedrichMan | anyways, thanks a lot for the help |
| 14:22.06 | babilen | no problm |
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| 14:22.18 | unkmar | os_admin: good, now give the link to the paste. |
| 14:22.32 | os_admin | http://paste.debian.net/70855/ |
| 14:23.03 | os_admin | have you any solution for this problem |
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| 14:23.38 | babilen | well, your key verfication failed - are you sure that you have the correct key (the private counterpart to the public one you have on the server you connect to) ? |
| 14:23.42 | mquin | qfr: if you're looking at the output of iptables-save, those are the packet and byte counts for each table at the time the command was run |
| 14:23.53 | qfr | Ah, alright |
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| 14:24.34 | mquin | iptables-restore has the option of reloading them, so you could run iptables-save after shutting down your interfaces to have the counts continue over reboots. There's also the option of saving the counts for each individual rule |
| 14:25.09 | FriedrichMan | babilen: maybe I am asking too much but... is there a way to get the actual site names instead of the dns's? |
| 14:26.03 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: only if they have valid PTR records |
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| 14:26.28 | FriedrichMan | Titan8990: and how can I get it to valid PTR? |
| 14:26.48 | babilen | os_admin: ah, disregard that. You probably connect with "o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=yes'" - you could run "ssh-keygen -R hostname" and "ssh-keygen -R ip_adress_of_host" to remove the offending key from your ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 14:27.00 | os_admin | @babilen yes i verify it 's the same |
| 14:27.07 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: we already told you. without -n it will look up the PTR record for the IP |
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| 14:27.34 | FriedrichMan | Titan8990: ok...but it will only do so if the website and the host server is the same... right? |
| 14:27.51 | babilen | FriedrichMan: Site names - as in virtualhosts in Apache running on the same IP? You mean the union of *all* DNS entries for an IP adress? |
| 14:28.12 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: it will only do so if the website URL and the server's IP's PTR matches |
| 14:28.23 | babilen | ^^^ |
| 14:28.55 | FriedrichMan | ok,... i understand,... so if I wanted any further details I would need a program that monitored directly on what I was doing on my web browser |
| 14:29.14 | babilen | FriedrichMan: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:29.18 | FriedrichMan | and not just on the ip connections |
| 14:29.18 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: alright, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:29.24 | babilen | Titan8990: high five :) |
| 14:29.29 | Titan8990 | babilen: :) |
| 14:29.45 | FriedrichMan | I am trying to get a record of what I do on firefox having the history disabled |
| 14:29.47 | FriedrichMan | haha |
| 14:29.56 | FriedrichMan | but a live record |
| 14:29.58 | babilen | *you* in a broader sense? |
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| 14:30.39 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: tcpdump port 53 -v > dnslog.log possibly |
| 14:31.03 | tvjudge | babilen -- very funny :) |
| 14:31.04 | babilen | FriedrichMan: What about a proxy+logs? or tcpdump+analysis? driftnet for the images? |
| 14:31.24 | babilen | tvjudge: As in: Tell us about your problems so we can help you ;) |
| 14:31.24 | FriedrichMan | babilen: I couldn't do it to anybody else unless I was in someone else's pc |
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| 14:32.04 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: if your the network admin, sure you can |
| 14:32.36 | FriedrichMan | haha but I am only network admin of two computers that belong to me |
| 14:32.46 | FriedrichMan | I am just learning stuff on my own |
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| 14:33.15 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: then you setup your captures, proxies, or w/e on the network gateway |
| 14:33.16 | tvjudge | anyway i almost got it to work how to i stop run level 5 from boot? |
| 14:33.22 | FriedrichMan | if I get to learn enough I could try on some net admin job |
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| 14:33.26 | Sneex | FriedrichMan: Read more about web proxys and squid in general |
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| 14:34.08 | FriedrichMan | ok... so I need squid for that.. i was wondering if I could do it with only one computer... |
| 14:34.21 | FriedrichMan | anyways... you gave me enough to think about ... |
| 14:34.22 | Titan8990 | tvjudge: the default runlevel is defined in /etc/inittab and is 2 by default |
| 14:34.22 | tvjudge | I have an old laptop with Cirrus Logic Video chipset |
| 14:34.27 | babilen | FriedrichMan: You can run squid locally |
| 14:34.37 | FriedrichMan | babilen; oh... I didn't know that |
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| 14:35.07 | tvjudge | well I almost got xserver to run but it is FU so i need to interrupt the startup so I can get to a conslole and run dpkg-reconfigure... |
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| 14:35.37 | Titan8990 | tvjudge: disable your display manager from starting on boot with update-rc.d |
| 14:36.04 | tvjudge | so at theboot prompt I enter that? |
| 14:36.05 | babilen | or rcconf for the update-rc.d impaired |
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| 14:36.15 | Titan8990 | tvjudge: unless you are running etch, dpkg-reconfigure is not going ot help you get xserver going |
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| 14:36.44 | Titan8990 | likes sysvconfig |
| 14:36.46 | FriedrichMan | babilen, Titan8990: thanks |
| 14:36.55 | Titan8990 | FriedrichMan: np |
| 14:36.58 | dekroning | something like "30 21 * * * " in the cron means everyday at 21:30 right ? |
| 14:36.59 | tvjudge | i got this far by using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:37.02 | babilen | or sysvconfig - nice as well ;) |
| 14:37.10 | babilen | xfree86? |
| 14:37.23 | tvjudge | yea |
| 14:37.29 | hjec | hi there, long time fedora user switching to debian. My webserver is not doing what i expect with name based virtual host |
| 14:37.30 | tvjudge | is there a better way? |
| 14:37.32 | Titan8990 | sarge? |
| 14:37.50 | hjec | everything i try takes me to the default page |
| 14:37.51 | babilen | tvjudge: which release of Debian are you using? |
| 14:37.56 | Titan8990 | ,versions xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:37.57 | hjec | one sec... |
| 14:37.58 | judd | xserver-xfree86 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 |
| 14:37.58 | tvjudge | Bonsai |
| 14:38.08 | babilen | bonsai? |
| 14:38.11 | abrotman | that'sa transitional package |
| 14:38.13 | hjec | squeeze/sid |
| 14:38.15 | babilen | no such debian release |
| 14:38.25 | abrotman | it should be xserver-xorg or just let it go on its own |
| 14:38.47 | tvjudge | no in bonsai i believe it is the xfree86 |
| 14:39.03 | hjec | babilen: it's a virtual host in a proxmox installation |
| 14:39.15 | Titan8990 | tvjudge: bonsai is not a debian release |
| 14:39.19 | hjec | maybe they did something 'not standard' |
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| 14:39.45 | tvjudge | well it seems to be based on debian |
| 14:39.53 | hjec | definitelly |
| 14:39.59 | hjec | i use apt-get, etc |
| 14:40.15 | babilen | tvjudge: #debian does not support distributions that are "based on Debian" |
| 14:40.17 | Titan8990 | !based on debian |
| 14:40.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 14:40.33 | hjec | i understand, thanks |
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| 14:40.49 | Titan8990 | hjec: check out /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for debian specific info |
| 14:41.08 | hjec | thank you Tital8990, I appreciate it |
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| 14:42.37 | babilen | tvjudge: You might want to install Debian and come back or ask in whatever channel bonsai uses for support |
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| 14:43.09 | tvjudge | ok sorry to bother you |
| 14:43.27 | o2 | Hi, is there any way to make persistent changes to a running Debian Live system (configuration, installing packages)? |
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| 14:47.41 | Sarago | is anyone here? |
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| 14:49.10 | babilen | Sarago: no, sorry |
| 14:49.22 | Sarago | babilen: heh |
| 14:50.01 | Sarago | i've been racking my brain for two days trying to figure out how to load non-packaged fonts for use in xterm/rxvt/aterm |
| 14:50.16 | Sarago | I want to use the proggy fonts |
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| 14:51.40 | o2 | Hi, is there any way to make persistent changes to a running Debian Live system (configuration, installing packages)? |
| 14:52.35 | Sarago | o2: I only know there is because you can customize your live system, I don't know the specifics though |
| 14:52.59 | Sneex | Sarago: your question fragment"how to load non-packaged fonts for use in xterm/rxvt/aterm" gave serveral suggestions via google -- what have you tried? |
| 14:54.17 | Sarago | Sneex: I've tried putting them in /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts/ and then running mkfontdir and ttmkfdir and then running xset fp rehash and then fc-cache -fv |
| 14:54.21 | o2 | Hm...of course you can build a customized image. But I would like to change the system when it is already running. Does anyone have an idea? |
| 14:54.23 | Sarago | still doesn't work |
| 14:54.45 | babilen | o2: Well just change it - but these changes won't be persistent |
| 14:54.54 | Sneex | o2: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ ? |
| 14:56.10 | o2 | Sneex: Yes, of course. |
| 14:56.15 | Sneex | Sarago: what about system-wide configuration at /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 14:56.25 | o2 | bablien: Isn't there a way to make these changes persistent? |
| 14:56.44 | o2 | I mean: It just has to be written to the USB drive then |
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| 14:57.21 | Sarago | Sneex: the fonts are loaded because gnome can see them for use, but I can't get the font names for use in configuring xterm or others |
| 14:57.23 | Sneex | Sarago: maybe this is of help? http://tldp.org/LDP/www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ch-applications.en.html |
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| 14:58.10 | Sarago | Sneex: i've tried doing "fc-list | grep -i proggy" and use the result from that, but xterm won't accept it as a valid font name |
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| 14:59.53 | Sarago | Sneex: I know how to configure xterm to use font names, the problem is getting the correct name that xterm will accept |
| 15:00.21 | Sneex | Sarago: in gtkrc? something like this: font="-monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-15" ? |
| 15:01.18 | Sarago | Sneex: i'm not familiar with gtkrc, i'll check that out |
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| 15:01.40 | Sarago | Sneex: I've been looking at xlsfonts or xfontsel, but the fonts don't even show up in there |
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| 15:03.17 | Sneex | Sarago: You invoked xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefault ? |
| 15:03.17 | keith4 | am I going to have any problems with Lenny and the nvidia driver on a system with a GeForce GT330? |
| 15:03.39 | thrashold | Can anyone suggest any video player that supports threaded decoding of H.264? |
| 15:03.59 | Sarago | Sneex: yes, but the issue is getting a name from the fonts installed that xterm will accept |
| 15:04.26 | Sarago | Sneex: xterm fails saying it's not a valid font name and falls back to default |
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| 15:04.46 | Sneex | Sarago: which name did you use? |
| 15:05.28 | Rahim | any movie catalogue for debian which updates the info from imdb? |
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| 15:05.47 | Sarago | Sneex: the name "fc-list | grep -i proggy" gave me, I believe it was ProggyCleanTT |
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| 15:06.14 | Sneex | Sarago: you say that proggy appears to render correctly on desktop right? What name is being used there ? |
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| 15:06.38 | Sarago | Sneex: gnome configuration shows the font as ProggyCleanTT |
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| 15:07.23 | Sneex | Sarago: Try this: xterm -fa 'ProggyCleanTT' -fs 10 |
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| 15:07.45 | Sarago | Sneex: i tried that, it doesn't work |
| 15:07.47 | Sneex | :P |
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| 15:08.59 | Sneex | Sarago: Try this: xterm -fa 'Proggy Clean' -fs 10 |
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| 15:09.51 | Sarago | Sneex: i'll have to try that at home. how did you deduce that name? |
| 15:09.59 | Sneex | Sarago: if xterm will suprt TT fonts then it should work if you set ~/.Xdefaults correctly |
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| 15:11.02 | Sneex | Sarago: I didn't deduce anything; I've been where you are many times and you just need to get a machete -- trial and error... |
| 15:11.42 | Sarago | Sneex: ah, so i'm doing things right, just need to keep hammering away at it |
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| 15:12.47 | Sneex | Sarago: there is unfortunately a lot of information to be googled; the method of attack will slieghtly vary depending upon application; but that URL I posted will point you in the right direction |
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| 15:13.40 | Sarago | Sneex: thanks for the help |
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| 15:14.48 | Sneex | Sarago: I don't think it was what you were looking for but you're welcome. |
| 15:15.49 | xperia | !coffee courpse |
| 15:15.49 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for courpse, courtesy of xperia |
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| 15:16.29 | xperia | !coffee SilentAnswers |
| 15:16.30 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic Peruvian for SilentAnswers, courtesy of xperia |
| 15:17.10 | Sarago | !beer Sneex |
| 15:17.10 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for Sneex |
| 15:17.22 | xperia | thanks to everybody for helping me out with the memory leaks. it is solved now and my server run now like allways wonderfull |
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| 15:17.50 | Sneex | Sarago: read my mind LOL I've never been a coffee drinker :-D |
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| 15:18.22 | Sarago | Sneex: ever tried coffee with bailey's? |
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| 15:18.45 | Sneex | Sarago: No, but I've tried Mountain Dew and Vodka |
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| 15:19.12 | Sarago | Sneex: coffee and jamison whiskey is good too |
| 15:19.17 | BlackFate | frappe |
| 15:19.44 | R1ck | hey guys, trying to write a script to automatically install stuff, in it I do apt-get --yes install postfix but it keeps running interactively and so waits forever.. what do I do wrong? |
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| 15:22.28 | Sneex | R1ck: try this one on for size, see if it fits: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-March/015102.html |
| 15:22.36 | mquin | R1ck: 'apt-get -y -q -q install -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold"' is what the scripts we use to auto install stuff does |
| 15:23.40 | R1ck | hm |
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| 15:25.07 | Titan8990 | mquin: this is because the package's --configure step requires interactivity |
| 15:25.18 | Titan8990 | mquin: IIRC for these packages, they must be "pre-configured" |
| 15:25.20 | Sarago | R1ck: did you try the " |
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| 15:25.45 | Sarago | R1ck: did you try --force-yes |
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| 15:26.04 | Titan8990 | Sarago: the problem is likely not answering "yes" |
| 15:26.22 | Sarago | R1ck: there may be something stopping from running automatically unless you force it |
| 15:27.02 | Sarago | Titan8990: right he may need both -y and --force-yes |
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| 15:27.43 | Titan8990 | R1ck: possibly DPkg::Options::=--no-triggers |
| 15:29.09 | R1ck | meh it doesnt matter.. its still trying to run whiptail |
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| 15:31.44 | jelly-hme | can't think of a task where dpkg --force-yes is the right thing to do |
| 15:32.39 | Sarago | jelly-hme: probably true |
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| 15:33.17 | jelly-hme | er, s/force-yes/force-all/; dunno what --force-yes does |
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| 15:34.07 | Sarago | Force yes; This is a dangerous option that will cause apt to continue without prompting if it is doing something potentially harmful. It should not be used except in very special situations. Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system! Configuration Item: APT::Get::force-yes. |
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| 15:34.53 | R1ck | meh, if I do apt-get -y -q -q install -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" postfix om the commandline its not going automatically either |
| 15:35.05 | skx | Hello, how to change user's name? not full name, his user name |
| 15:35.12 | skx | is it even possible? the id can stay the same |
| 15:35.25 | themill | R1ck: is there a pastebin that I missed where you showed where it's getting stuck? |
| 15:35.39 | themill | skx: it's possible, it's not recommended as it's very painful |
| 15:35.48 | Titan8990 | skx: usermod -l |
| 15:36.00 | R1ck | themill: nope :) |
| 15:36.04 | Sarago | R1ck: is there a possible break in dependance from what you are trying to do that won't allow it unless you force it |
| 15:36.05 | skx | themill, what are my options then? I should move user's files, remove his account and create a new one? |
| 15:36.43 | skx | Titan8990, thanks |
| 15:37.03 | R1ck | it has no dependancies |
| 15:37.05 | themill | skx: you'll need to go through all the user's config files in $HOME and change all references to their old $HOME to their new $HOME. |
| 15:37.08 | Titan8990 | skx: usermod -d /home/newhome -l newname -g newgroup oldname |
| 15:37.08 | jelly-hme | skx: mind your crontabs, /var/mail/username, home directories... |
| 15:37.27 | Titan8990 | skx: then you would need to move the files from oldhome to newhome |
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| 15:37.44 | jelly-hme | Titan8990: or... move the home directory itself, much cleaner! |
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| 15:38.08 | skx | ok, this is all very helpful :) |
| 15:38.17 | R1ck | i think its a preinst script or something |
| 15:38.32 | Titan8990 | R1ck: look at what I said earlier |
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| 15:39.02 | R1ck | Titan8990: doesnt recognize --no-triggers as an option |
| 15:39.08 | Titan8990 | R1ck: more than likely its the --configure step |
| 15:39.13 | themill | R1ck: I wasn't asking for a pastebin out of idle curiosity. There are a number of places it could be looking for user interaction. |
| 15:39.22 | themill | Random guessing could take all day. |
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| 15:39.53 | jelly-hme | educated guessing can take all day, too |
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| 15:40.05 | R1ck | there's nothing to pastebin |
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| 15:40.58 | jelly-hme | R1ck: I find it hard to believe apt-get shows no output at all, just exits with a nonzero status. |
| 15:41.46 | R1ck | oh, ofcourse, *now* its suddenly working with apt-get -y -q -q install -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" postfix |
| 15:41.49 | R1ck | meh |
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| 15:42.13 | Titan8990 | R1ck: did you have an old config the first time your tried it? what about just now? |
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| 15:42.25 | jelly-hme | who cares, problem solved! |
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| 15:42.33 | jelly-hme | !next |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:43.29 | skx | Titan8990, thank you very much, this was a lot less painful than I anticipated |
| 15:44.24 | smhar | what is the latest kernel in squeeze? |
| 15:44.46 | Titan8990 | ,kernels |
| 15:44.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 15:44.55 | axisys_ | any idea why I get only "It Works!" page here instead of index.html ? |
| 15:44.58 | axisys_ | http://pastie.org/private/uoq7oom5dqkllamjazgfa |
| 15:45.48 | themill | dpkg: tell axisys_ about apache it works |
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| 15:46.55 | themill | axisys_: you obviously don't want to follow dpkg's recipe exactly as you've already started editing your configs, but that's the idea |
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| 15:49.38 | thrashold | Is there any way to utilize many CPUs for decoding H.264 with x264? (It works when encoding, but doesn't seem to have a way to do it when decoding) |
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| 15:52.16 | jelly-hme | thrashold: do you really want to merely decode, or do you want to play a movie? |
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| 15:52.28 | thrashold | I want to play a movie |
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| 15:53.07 | thrashold | But it is skipping at two points ( all players use 100% of one of the cores at that point, and mplayer with -lavdopts thread=4 is saying that my system is too slow) |
| 15:53.10 | axisys_ | themill: thanks |
| 15:53.38 | xente | is there a way to install mediawiki and have it depend on postgresql? |
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| 15:54.07 | thrashold | Also, one CPU is loaded 80% during most of the movie, and other mplayer/gxine/dragon player threads aren't using almost any CPU, according to ps aux -L |
| 15:55.16 | themill | ,depends mediawiki |
| 15:55.18 | judd | mediawiki -- depends: apache2 | httpd, php5, php5-mysql | php5-pgsql, mime-support, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
| 15:55.27 | themill | xente: ^^ the hint is in how the dependencies are written there |
| 15:55.49 | xente | themill: I see, so do I install postgresql first and then mediawiki? |
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| 15:56.21 | themill | xente: well, specifically you need "php5-pgsql" installed, don't you? |
| 15:56.42 | xente | themill: right, that's what I meant to say |
| 15:57.09 | jelly-hme | thrashold: perhaps #mplayer would have more suggestions |
| 15:57.23 | themill | xente: if you install them on the same command line, aptitude should just do the right thing⢠|
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| 15:59.06 | xente | themill: thanks, i will try that |
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| 15:59.14 | thrashold | jelly-hme: Well, I don't want to use mplayer anyway, it was just showing most details. |
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| 16:01.34 | albert__ | is there anyway to keep track of users commands ? |
| 16:01.41 | albert__ | like log them |
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| 16:02.09 | xente | so, to install mediawiki without mysql, looks like I need to tell aptitude to not install recommended packages....how can one do that from the command line? |
| 16:02.35 | albert__ | commands users use |
| 16:02.42 | axisys_ | themill: i still need help .. i followed the steps .. https still reads the /var/www/index.html instead of /home/xymon/server/www/index.html .. i do not have any default-ssl enabled any more |
| 16:02.51 | Titan8990 | xente: man aptitude |
| 16:02.58 | xente | ok |
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| 16:03.36 | aburch | xente: mediawiki: Recommends: mysql-server | postgresql-contrib. You can also install postgresql-contrib. |
| 16:03.40 | Titan8990 | albert__: inotify can monitor file changes |
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| 16:04.00 | xente | aburch: thanks...I will try that |
| 16:04.07 | albert__ | yeah Titan8990 |
| 16:04.09 | themill | axisys_: what do you have in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
| 16:04.23 | axisys_ | ls sites-enabled/ |
| 16:04.23 | axisys_ | 000-default xymon |
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| 16:04.42 | axisys_ | xymon is the only one with :443 |
| 16:04.45 | themill | axisys_: are you trying to access your site using https ? |
| 16:04.49 | axisys_ | themill: yes |
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| 16:05.08 | themill | axisys_: and you "a2enmod ssl" at some stage? |
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| 16:05.13 | aburch | xente: (The PostgreSQL server does depend on it in as well) |
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| 16:05.16 | axisys_ | themill: yes.. |
| 16:05.37 | axisys_ | themill: httpd works fine |
| 16:05.42 | axisys_ | themill: https |
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| 16:05.47 | axisys_ | themill: but i get the wronf pae |
| 16:05.50 | axisys_ | page* |
| 16:07.14 | albert__ | Titan8990, would i use that with /bin /usr/bin user commands or the home users dir ? |
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| 16:09.53 | themill | axisys_: is this a lenny install? |
| 16:10.06 | xente | aburch: thanks for the help |
| 16:10.11 | chops1 | So I'm using -M to generate lists of dependencies for a make rule, but one of the things I'm including is an automatically-generated file. I need to find out that the file is necessary in order to generate it from the source, but in order to find out that it's necessary I need to parse the source files and figure out that it's included, but as soon as I do _that_, gcc -M exits with an error, because it can't find the heade |
| 16:10.15 | chops1 | Er, help? :-) |
| 16:10.17 | axisys_ | themill: ubuntu |
| 16:10.39 | themill | axisys_: bah... I have no idea what config ubuntu includes in their apache packages, but #ubuntu does. |
| 16:10.57 | axisys_ | themill: ok |
| 16:11.00 | axisys_ | themill: thanks |
| 16:11.27 | chops1 | ah, -MG |
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| 16:16.34 | Bohemian | in debian, where is xdebug.so? i just installed from aptitude adebug and can't find it to add the zend_extension line to my php.ini file.. |
| 16:16.37 | albert__ | Titan8990, anyother tools to keep an eye on uses ? |
| 16:16.37 | Bohemian | i'm using debian lenny |
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| 16:17.24 | albert__ | like commands |
| 16:18.10 | albert__ | commands uses use |
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| 16:18.35 | Bohemian | or how do i search for xdebug.so with grep? |
| 16:19.14 | albert__ | anyone use audacious |
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| 16:19.57 | themill | Bohemian: it should be self-configuring. All you should need to do is restart apache2. |
| 16:20.03 | albert__ | i know it's not maintained anymore but mine just pauses for no reason :( |
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| 16:20.07 | Bohemian | themill: aaah |
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| 16:20.40 | Bohemian | themill: hm, still getting this error when i try to run drush: PHP Warning: Xdebug MUST be loaded as a Zend extension in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 16:22.07 | themill | Bohemian: have you checked phpinfo() to see that it is indeed being loaded? |
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| 16:24.02 | Bohemian | themill: it says "XDEBUG NOT LOADED AS ZEND EXTENSION" - i know how to add it, but i need to find the xdebug.so file so i can indeed add the line to my php.info file. how can i find that file? |
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| 16:26.09 | themill | Bohemian: you will find that you already have /etc/php/conf.d/xdebug.ini with zend_extension=/usr/lib/php5/.../xdebug.so in it. If you are using the config files that debian gave you for php, then that should be enough to load it. |
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| 16:27.44 | Bohemian | themill: that file just says "; configuration for php xdebug module extension=xdebug.so" does that mean i point xdebug.so to zend_extension="/etc/php5/conf.d/xdebug.ini" ? |
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| 16:28.09 | Bohemian | i'm reading xdebug.org/docs/install and it says to edit php.ini zend_extension="/usr/local/php/modules/xdebug.so" to the full path ... |
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| 16:29.05 | themill | Bohemian: is this debian lenny? |
| 16:29.09 | Bohemian | yes |
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| 16:30.16 | themill | Bohemian: that's not the config file that you should get from installing the lenny package |
| 16:30.45 | Bohemian | i found it |
| 16:30.49 | Bohemian | themill: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/xdebug.so |
| 16:30.56 | themill | yes |
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| 16:31.27 | themill | But you should have that in /etc/php5/conf.d/xdebug.ini not in php.ini, unless you've been butchering your php.ini lots. |
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| 16:43.46 | salaryman | I'm trying to manage some internal software w/ dpkg |
| 16:43.48 | salaryman | so I create /software/releases/<VERSION> and create a link /software/current to |
| 16:43.50 | salaryman | the current release. |
| 16:43.52 | salaryman | However when I create a package for a new release and install it, it removes the |
| 16:43.54 | salaryman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.21 | greycat | I really don't think dpkg is the appropriate tool for this. |
| 16:44.28 | hacosta | is there a command that has a return status that depends on wheather a package is installed or not? |
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| 16:44.57 | wols | hacosta: dpkg -l <package> | grep ^ii |
| 16:45.55 | hacosta | thanks |
| 16:46.01 | greycat | better make that grep '^[hi]i' |
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| 16:46.33 | jelly-hme | or even '^.i' |
| 16:46.45 | greycat | yeah, that probably works best |
| 16:46.49 | hacosta | ok |
| 16:47.09 | themill | depends if you want to return true for "the package is going to be uninstalled on the next apt run" or not. |
| 16:48.00 | hacosta | i would probably want false for that case |
| 16:48.01 | jelly-hme | well, hacosta did say "is installed", not "is installed but apt would like to remove it" |
| 16:48.26 | hacosta | yeah, reading the dpkg man page will probably do.. |
| 16:48.27 | themill | wonders if some locale matches "^.i" for the first line of "dpkg -l" output |
| 16:48.29 | hacosta | thanks all |
| 16:48.35 | jelly-hme | then use what greycat suggested |
| 16:48.42 | hacosta | so how about |
| 16:49.13 | themill | hacosta: you can also use dpkg-query for this if you want, but you still end up doing a string comparison for "installed" at the end. |
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| 16:49.23 | hacosta | LOCALE="C" dpkg -l <package> | grep '^[hi]i' |
| 16:49.37 | greycat | LC_ALL=C or LANG=C, not LOCALE=C |
| 16:49.59 | hacosta | awesome. |
| 16:50.30 | themill | or dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package |
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| 16:52.00 | themill | (test the output for " installed") |
| 16:52.12 | jelly-hme | dammit, aptitude search '~i^isnt-installed$' returns 0 |
| 16:52.36 | hacosta | i really would prefer no output.. but all the previous solution seem good enough |
| 16:52.44 | jelly-hme | grep has -q |
| 16:52.53 | hacosta | yup |
| 16:53.07 | hacosta | that's what i'm using |
| 16:53.20 | themill | that will make output when the package isn't matched though. |
| 16:54.02 | jelly-hme | no it won't? |
| 16:54.09 | themill | dpkg -l no-such-package | grep -q ^ii |
| 16:54.09 | dpkg | ii no-such-package | grep -q ^ii 1.7-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:54.16 | themill | !botspank |
| 16:54.16 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 16:54.44 | jelly-hme | themill: that's not output, that's stderr! |
| 16:54.52 | jelly-hme | ^_^ |
| 16:55.24 | themill | Unfortunately, there's a difference between packages that are not installed that dpkg knows about and packages that are not installed that dpkg doesn't know about. |
| 16:55.30 | themill | bad jelly-hme! |
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| 17:01.25 | zorton | if i've got a custom postinst maintainer script, how should I add the auto generated postinst stuff from deb helper? |
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| 17:15.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Liquid-Silence about adobe flash |
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| 17:18.40 | Liquid-Silence | themill: I have the plugin installed |
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| 17:18.52 | Liquid-Silence | but for some reason it seems that its still uses some weird movie player |
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| 17:19.45 | themill | Liquid-Silence: #firefox for configuring that beast properly. As I said earlier, the debian packages for these things just do the right thing. |
| 17:20.31 | Liquid-Silence | it was using gnash |
| 17:20.32 | Liquid-Silence | :P |
| 17:20.40 | Liquid-Silence | themill: iceweazel? |
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| 17:21.22 | Liquid-Silence | iceweasel is rubish :) |
| 17:21.47 | Liquid-Silence | nevermind got it working |
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| 17:22.17 | Liquid-Silence | 64bit flash from adobe :) |
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| 17:26.09 | Bohemian | themill: i put it in etc/php5/conf.d/xdebug.ini and php.ini with no luck |
| 17:26.16 | Bohemian | i haven't hacked my php.ini file really |
| 17:26.17 | Bohemian | any other suggestions? |
| 17:27.29 | aarcane | for how much longer will debian 5.04/5.x be supported? |
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| 17:27.53 | jelly-home | aarcane: when 6.0 is released + 1 year |
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| 17:28.07 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 17:28.12 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 17:28.12 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
| 17:28.34 | Liquid-Silence | is there any reason why gnome does not hack the file menus from the applications like mac? |
| 17:28.37 | metalfan_ | whats the right syntax to remove some daemon from runlevel x, currently i use: "update-rc.d -f mydaemon remove" |
| 17:29.03 | chomwitt | hi.i have squuze. i get a 'eth1:no ipv6 routers present ' kernel log message and my connection to a usbnet device drops. i foung a report to put 'alias ipv6 off' in modprobe dir somewhere. any help welcomed |
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| 17:30.07 | aarcane | so I know no release schedule is set for 6.0 yet, but just based on developer activity and overall progress, are we looking at months, years, or decades before a 6.0 release ? |
| 17:30.58 | Titan8990 | chomwitt: I am not sure what your asking from us if you have already found the solution |
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| 17:32.13 | chomwitt | Titan8990: i dont have an ipv6 module loaded, and i dont have a modprobe.conf file in squeeze. |
| 17:33.12 | Titan8990 | !noipv6 |
| 17:33.12 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
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| 17:35.11 | chomwitt | Titan8990: thanks!!! |
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| 17:35.29 | Titan8990 | chomwitt: np |
| 17:36.24 | chomwitt | Titan8990: (a last last one) how can if ipv6 is enabled or disabled? from /proc maybe ? |
| 17:36.30 | Liquid-Silence | I retract my statement iceweasel is not bad |
| 17:36.42 | chomwitt | Titan8990: how can i test.. |
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| 17:36.55 | Liquid-Silence | urg firefox does not have a make uninstall |
| 17:36.58 | Liquid-Silence | :( |
| 17:37.23 | et | Liquid-Silence: that is why you use a package manager. |
| 17:37.51 | Titan8990 | chomwitt: not sure. existance of /proc/net/.*6 maybe? |
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| 17:38.16 | chomwitt | thanks Titan8990 |
| 17:38.21 | eXeC001er | Hi |
| 17:38.27 | Liquid-Silence | et: :P |
| 17:38.30 | Titan8990 | Liquid-Silence: it comes in a binary tarball... just extract to your homedir and run |
| 17:38.51 | Liquid-Silence | Titan8990: I did a source compile |
| 17:38.54 | Titan8990 | chomwitt: anytime |
| 17:39.14 | eXeC001er | Can you say me what is option 'boot=live' for kernel in boot menu on LiveCD. |
| 17:39.30 | Liquid-Silence | ok anyway it works fine |
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| 17:39.53 | castiell | Hi - for everyone |
| 17:40.00 | castiell | so.... |
| 17:40.15 | wols | eXeC001er: what livecd exactly? |
| 17:40.19 | castiell | i need know...how can i get netinst sidux debian iso? |
| 17:40.35 | wols | castiell: ask #sidux. and sidux is not debian |
| 17:40.46 | castiell | hauha..=-D...sorry... |
| 17:40.48 | eXeC001er | wols: debian live cd |
| 17:40.49 | castiell | but.. |
| 17:40.51 | castiell | about this.. |
| 17:40.53 | wols | eXeC001er: which one? |
| 17:41.04 | castiell | how can i get testing debian netinst iso? |
| 17:41.07 | castiell | do you know? |
| 17:41.16 | eXeC001er | I made it via live-helper |
| 17:41.18 | wols | I know your enter key is broken |
| 17:41.33 | wols | eXeC001er: then it is a livecd. put it in and it boots as a live cd |
| 17:41.34 | castiell | why? |
| 17:41.41 | wols | !enter |
| 17:41.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:42.35 | metalfan_ | wols, dont keep the truth from him...nobody here will help him. its just a stupid question |
| 17:42.51 | wols | castiell: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 17:43.10 | Titan8990 | its a "if you have to ask" question |
| 17:43.40 | metalfan_ | ok, its not stupid...but if you start like this you need someone with experience next to you while the installer is running |
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| 17:44.12 | wols | metalfan_: not really. if it works and you don't hit any bugs it's like the normal debian installer |
| 17:44.36 | metalfan_ | its pretty easy, i know |
| 17:44.37 | wols | of course when he runs it, he will get problems with testing and he won't be able to solve them. then he comes here and we tell him to install stable. problem solved |
| 17:44.40 | metalfan_ | im just guessing anyway |
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| 17:44.59 | eXeC001er | wols: I wan to know 'How kernel mount filesystem on LiveCD?' |
| 17:45.00 | Titan8990 | the debian newbie cycle? |
| 17:45.03 | metalfan_ | and im not even talking about the testing part |
| 17:45.12 | wols | if we're unlucky, Titan8990 will commit suicide out of despair due to the questions he will ask however |
| 17:45.13 | Liquid-Silence | I have had no problems with squeeze |
| 17:45.17 | wols | Titan8990: sorry mate, sucks to be you |
| 17:45.20 | Liquid-Silence | its pretty much stable |
| 17:45.26 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 17:45.30 | Liquid-Silence | :P |
| 17:45.33 | metalfan_ | funny |
| 17:45.45 | Liquid-Silence | debian squeeze == ubuntu 10.4 just more stable :) |
| 17:45.48 | wols | Liquid-Silence: you have no clue as the log in here amply shows |
| 17:45.56 | Titan8990 | !tell Liquid-Silence about moving target |
| 17:45.58 | metalfan_ | Titan8990, do you write the installer or why did wols mention that? |
| 17:46.05 | Liquid-Silence | wols: I am talking from my experience |
| 17:46.22 | wols | Liquid-Silence: the nonexistent one you mean? yes I thought so |
| 17:46.50 | Liquid-Silence | wols: why have such a God complex? |
| 17:46.58 | wols | eXeC001er: I want to see a question in english that is answerable |
| 17:46.59 | Titan8990 | metalfan_: I have been known to be a bit harsh on users running squeeze/sid, who I feel should be running stable due to lack of prior knowledge |
| 17:47.07 | Liquid-Silence | I have used testing for 3 days so in my experience it is fine for now... |
| 17:47.15 | wols | Liquid-Silence: I don't knwo why you do but I don't care either |
| 17:47.48 | Liquid-Silence | yeah wols you are the exact reason why I moved from debian years ago :) |
| 17:47.52 | Titan8990 | Liquid-Silence: 3 days is not long enough to be subject to the "moving target"... as the factoid I sent you says |
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| 17:48.40 | Liquid-Silence | Titan8990: I agree 100% with that :) |
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| 17:49.16 | metalfan_ | whats the usual response to users running ubuntu - i mean just out of curiosity |
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| 17:49.41 | greycat | "Go to #ubuntu" |
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| 17:50.00 | metalfan_ | besides that |
| 17:50.21 | metalfan_ | are ubuntu users still seen as inexperienced? |
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| 17:50.29 | wols | metalfan_: there is no other answer |
| 17:50.32 | greycat | The ones who come here, yes. Because they're in the wrong place. |
| 17:50.45 | greycat | The ones in #ubuntu might be brilliant for all I know. |
| 17:50.52 | wols | ikonia is an ubuntu user, quite experienced. and still lives here |
| 17:51.10 | Titan8990 | ikonia is more than just a user however |
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| 17:51.25 | greycat | s/come here/ask ubuntu questions here/ |
| 17:52.22 | metalfan_ | *crap, i really need a silent power supply* |
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| 17:57.05 | Bohemian | what is /etc/php5/apache2filter folder? i've never seen that before but it's where my phpinfo () is showing its pulling php info from? i'm using debian lenny |
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| 17:58.40 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: check out the package description for libapache2-mod-php5filter |
| 17:59.04 | Bohemian | thanks |
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| 17:59.38 | hacosta | How can i see from a script if /var/lib/dpkg/lock is open? |
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| 18:00.11 | pete_ | Hi! I need to install Debian to Dell PE R510 with H700 disc controller. It seems that i need kernel 2.6.33 to do that. Is there any Lenny install-image available with that kernel? |
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| 18:00.47 | greycat | hacosta: you could use flock(1) from the util-linux package, possibly |
| 18:01.04 | demism | i can't find firefox in the repos... also, I was trying to download chrome from google, but I'm using links and they require jscript, anyone know where I can get it or should i stick to firefox? |
| 18:01.20 | Titan8990 | !iceweasel |
| 18:01.21 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 18:01.51 | Titan8990 | demism: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main for the google repo |
| 18:02.37 | hacosta | thing is, this script might or might not run on debian-based systems, this is just to display a more helpful error message _if the file exists && its locked_ |
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| 18:02.54 | hacosta | so a 'more standard' util is better |
| 18:03.53 | greycat | hacosta: there's no portable version of flock(1) AFAIK |
| 18:03.54 | demism | Titan8990: I get a GPG error how do I fix that? |
| 18:03.54 | Titan8990 | suppose you could parse lsof output |
| 18:03.54 | remur_030 | Hello everybody, on an rpm system I can run rpm -V -a which will scan my system for files which are not tracked by the packages system, is there a way to do this with dpkg? |
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| 18:03.56 | hacosta | i would have tought that dpkg just writes the PID in the lock file ... but.. ok, parsing lsof might work |
| 18:03.57 | pete_ | !lennyandhalf |
| 18:03.58 | hacosta | thanks |
| 18:04.10 | pete_ | !etchandhalf |
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| 18:04.32 | bzed | hacosta: flock should be available on most (all!?) linux installations |
| 18:04.37 | wols | remur_030: no, simply because it's not really possible imho. /etc/ are config files and usually debconf generated and stuff like mail spools are never tracked by any package system |
| 18:04.53 | Titan8990 | demism: don't know for the google repos. typically you install keyring but that is not the case here |
| 18:05.04 | wols | neither rpm nor dpkg, but I'm sure your users wouldn't like you to delete their mail |
| 18:05.11 | Titan8990 | demism: you can add it with apt-key, if you knew what the key was |
| 18:05.33 | hacosta | i was about to said i already tried in my archlinux install and it wasn't there, but then i realised i typed it wrong |
| 18:05.36 | hacosta | flck will do |
| 18:05.38 | hacosta | thanks |
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| 18:06.28 | remur_030 | wols: yeah I can skim over them, just want to see what untracked stuff lies around I sure don't need on the system |
| 18:06.37 | Titan8990 | demism: however, installation of google-chrome-beta may add it automatically |
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| 18:07.02 | wols | remur_030: did you install anything without dpkg? |
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| 18:07.54 | remur_030 | wols: nope, but things like trac add alot I never really checked, and I don't want to go through all the configurations to check that =) |
| 18:08.13 | wols | where does trac add files? |
| 18:08.35 | remur_030 | wols: in it's project directories etc |
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| 18:11.55 | pete_ | how to modify lenny installer? I need to upgrade kernel to 2.6.33. Is easyest way to boot from PXE and customer kernel and then move to basic Debian Installer? |
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| 18:12.24 | pete_ | Or maybe install OpenSUSE and then debootstrap debian with newest kernel? |
| 18:12.54 | Titan8990 | pete_: does it have to be .33 or will .32 work? |
| 18:13.02 | remur_030 | pete_: as an opensuse user i suggest installing and old debian and then using debootstrap ;-) |
| 18:13.21 | hacosta | i keep getting flock: bad number: /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 18:13.25 | Titan8990 | you don't need to install anything... you can do debootstrap install from a livecd if it came to that |
| 18:13.44 | pete_ | Titan8990: AFAIK it need to be 2.6.33. I got DELL PE R510 with H700. What i have read it need 2.6.33 what contains needed driver for disc-controller |
| 18:14.16 | pete_ | Titan8990: yes i know. Problem is that any distro doesnt support that controller so there no way to do deboostrap when i can't see disks :) |
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| 18:14.26 | Titan8990 | pete_: is that a server? |
| 18:14.48 | pete_ | Titan8990: Yes. Dell PowerEdge R510. 8 SAS disk and two SSD |
| 18:15.03 | pete_ | omg.. I just freaking get it up :DDD |
| 18:15.13 | pete_ | fuck yeah. Thanks mate. I used 2.6.32 |
| 18:15.28 | Titan8990 | pete_: you know... you could have bought a server that supports RHEL.. which would work with their .18 kernel |
| 18:15.37 | Titan8990 | pete_: ah, good |
| 18:16.06 | pete_ | Titan8990: i use 2.6.18.8-xen cos i always use Xen. No problems what so ever. So i know that kernel very very well :) |
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| 18:17.24 | pete_ | What would the "best" FS for ~20 millions small files? images, css and so on..? is it still ReiserFS? |
| 18:17.39 | aarcane | how to installing on gpt partition tables ? |
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| 18:17.59 | Liquid-Silence | pete_: reiser |
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| 18:18.54 | Liquid-Silence | but thats IMHO |
| 18:19.17 | pete_ | Liquid-Silence: yep. I got same opinion here |
| 18:19.38 | Liquid-Silence | maybe even ext4? |
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| 18:20.16 | Titan8990 | it sounds like this is for production, he doesn't want ext4 |
| 18:20.35 | Titan8990 | !start a filesystem war |
| 18:20.35 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 18:20.43 | pete_ | This is for production. No testing / delelopment stuff possible |
| 18:21.00 | Liquid-Silence | reiserfs then |
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| 18:21.13 | pete_ | This server need to serve more then 50 million request per day |
| 18:21.19 | Liquid-Silence | Titan8990: thanks for pointing that out |
| 18:21.30 | Liquid-Silence | pete_: web server? |
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| 18:21.39 | pete_ | Liquid-Silence: yes. Static content |
| 18:21.46 | pete_ | Front-server with nginx |
| 18:21.49 | Titan8990 | I would be suprised if murderfs is anywhere close to the active development/maint of ext3 and XFS, if that counts at all |
| 18:21.57 | Liquid-Silence | pete_: why not use bsd |
| 18:22.02 | shylent | murderfs? |
| 18:22.10 | Titan8990 | shylent: reiserfs |
| 18:22.26 | pete_ | Liquid-Silence: I would use but i dont ave enough experience. I got more then 10 years experience with Debian. don't want to change |
| 18:22.30 | shylent | yea, I've guessed it :P its still kind of politically-incorrect |
| 18:22.32 | Titan8990 | Liquid-Silence: why recommend other OSes when debian is perfectly suitable for the task? |
| 18:22.34 | shylent | not that it matters :)_ |
| 18:22.35 | pete_ | Titan8990: yep. Tha't what im thinking about |
| 18:22.53 | Liquid-Silence | Titan8990: because openbsd is very security focused |
| 18:22.56 | wols | pete_: hwo many small files are there? |
| 18:23.04 | wols | or rather: how big are they all combined? |
| 18:23.04 | Liquid-Silence | and if its a production server you would want it really secure |
| 18:23.19 | jelly-home | heh |
| 18:23.49 | wols | debian is insecure? why hasn't someone told me!!! |
| 18:23.51 | pete_ | wols: About 10 Miljons of 100kb - 400kb. another 10 millions of 400-1500kb |
| 18:24.04 | jelly-home | pete_: how many in a single directory? |
| 18:24.20 | shylent | I have an idea how to make debian more secure - init 1 |
| 18:24.21 | pete_ | jelly-home: 500x~1500x |
| 18:24.30 | Liquid-Silence | wols: I never said it was not secure... stop reading what you want out of sentences |
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| 18:24.57 | jelly-home | pete_: meh, ext3's good enough for that. xfs if you have know-how to setup and maintain it perhaps |
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| 18:25.18 | babilen | security? there is no security without scissors! http://www.silfreed.net/download/scissors/scissors.pdf |
| 18:26.07 | wols | babilen: thes guys are morons. they never heard of radiowaves apparently |
| 18:27.17 | jelly-home | pete_: now, if it were me, I'd split that to multiple ext3, each not bigger than say 400GB, two reasons: 1) I don't know anything about xfs, 2) ext3 has slow fsck and file-based backup might be faster with multiple fs as well |
| 18:27.31 | greycat | Needs more aluminum foil headwear. |
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| 18:27.53 | greycat | Also needs less PDF. |
| 18:27.53 | shanepardue | What's the best option for virtual servers on a 32-bit cpu machine? |
| 18:28.09 | shylent | I quite like openvz |
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| 18:28.20 | shylent | although that is not technically virtualization in a strict sense |
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| 18:28.31 | jelly-home | shanepardue: which OS on the guests? |
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| 18:28.46 | fergal32 | hi |
| 18:28.52 | lolufail | hi! |
| 18:28.54 | shanepardue | shylent: I've heard a few people mention openvz actually |
| 18:29.07 | shanepardue | jelly-home: Linux for the forseeable future. |
| 18:29.10 | lolufail | where do I ask about heartbeat stuff? sry I always default to #debian ;) |
| 18:29.13 | shylent | can hyper-v run on 32-bit? :P |
| 18:29.17 | fergal32 | i wanted to setup my intel atom system as a router with lenny 5.0.4 |
| 18:29.19 | djp_ | hi. i added somebody to the user group using usermod -G. how do i remove them from this group via the command line? |
| 18:29.41 | greycat | djp_: you can't just edit /etc/group by hand? |
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| 18:30.20 | fergal32 | everything works but that usb interface connected to my router doesn rout the packages. any ideas why? oh the usb ethernet adapter is usb 2.0 and is a MCS7830 moschip |
| 18:30.21 | jelly-home | shanepardue: you won't be able to run anything but linux with openvz (the same kernel instance drives all the "guests") |
| 18:30.47 | shanepardue | jelly-home: good to know |
| 18:30.50 | djp_ | greycat: ah, thank you :) |
| 18:30.52 | fergal32 | same configuration with realtek rtl8150 works like a charm but this is only usb 1.1 |
| 18:31.21 | shylent | with openvz you can go wild with overselling resources, though |
| 18:31.33 | shylent | something that might or might not come handy |
| 18:31.34 | fergal32 | so anybody using a moschip usb device? |
| 18:32.02 | lolufail | I have a heartbeat2 running under lenny, using this script: http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&&th=6662&goto=32956#msg_32956 |
| 18:32.02 | lolufail | now I've already set up the preference constraint, but heartbeat doesnt seem to wanna move the stuff to the second server.. where do I start debugging? |
| 18:32.10 | wols | anyone use a moschip usb device |
| 18:32.13 | wols | !anyone use a moschip usb device |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses a moschip usb device, not even the people who use it. |
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| 18:32.57 | wols | fergal32: HOW did you set up a router under lenny? |
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| 18:33.14 | fergal32 | wols: with pppoeconf |
| 18:33.20 | et | that statement is true if and only if noone uses a moschip usb device. |
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| 18:33.41 | greycat | "my router doesn't route the packets" is usually caused by failing to set "IPv4 forwarding = yes" in whatever config file it is |
| 18:33.59 | lolufail | et: no O_o |
| 18:34.01 | greycat | looks like /etc/sysctl.conf in Debian |
| 18:34.10 | fergal32 | but i have no chance cause this shuttle only has one lan on board so i have to use an usb ethernet adapter? |
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| 18:34.30 | remur_030 | fergal32: you set the MAC adress by chance? my netgear FA120 stops accepting packages when I change it, only promisc mode works then |
| 18:34.40 | greycat | Packets. |
| 18:35.12 | aarcane | how to installing debian 5.04 with grub2 and gpt |
| 18:35.13 | fergal32 | greycat: sysctl.conf is set already and as i said it works with realtek |
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| 18:35.31 | remur_030 | fergal32: kernel doesn't reject the mac change, but usb adapter doesn't support it |
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| 18:35.47 | greycat | aarcane: for grub2, first you would install normally. Then you would install grub2 and migrate to it. |
| 18:35.48 | remur_030 | took me ages to find the problem =( |
| 18:35.53 | greycat | aarcane: I can't answer the other question. |
| 18:35.55 | fergal32 | remur_030: hm thatÅ what i thought |
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| 18:36.40 | fergal32 | remur_030: how can i check this? |
| 18:37.01 | wols | fergal32: what IP does your usb adapter (or the other one) have? |
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| 18:37.21 | remur_030 | fergal32: don't change the mac adress and try using it in your internal network assuming your isp requests a set MAC? |
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| 18:37.53 | fergal32 | wait guys just checking |
| 18:37.55 | remur_030 | or set into promisc mode and use some packetdumper |
| 18:39.21 | remur_030 | fergal32: http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg76399.html is a freebsd bugreport on a newer revision of my adapter, that supports the change in freebsd |
| 18:39.39 | remur_030 | in linux there is nothing similar in the code, though i don't know my way around there |
| 18:39.41 | remur_030 | ah openbsd |
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| 18:39.56 | remur_030 | I filed a bugreport for the kernel but the usbnet guys are pretty silent =/ |
| 18:40.02 | greycat | pretty sure that's an openbsd bug report, not freebsd |
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| 18:41.26 | remur_030 | greycat: yep |
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| 18:42.27 | g00se | What's the best channel for getting an analysis of the debug output of a failing wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:42.42 | greycat | #wireless perhaps |
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| 18:43.31 | steampunkey_ | does anyone know if clock() returning 0 is a debian "feature"? |
| 18:44.10 | greycat | I don't have a clock(2) or clock(3) man page. What are you doing? |
| 18:44.24 | steampunkey_ | it's in manpages-dev prolly |
| 18:44.27 | greycat | oh, crap, manpages-dev isn't installed yet... |
| 18:44.34 | lolufail | any ideas? |
| 18:44.40 | steampunkey_ | works on win, but neither on Debian i386, nor amd64 |
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| 18:44.52 | fergal32 | remur_030: how do i set this to promisc mode? |
| 18:45.01 | steampunkey_ | i try to get something more precise than seconds (time()) |
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| 18:45.06 | steampunkey_ | *am trying |
| 18:45.27 | g00se | greycat: Thanks - i'll try |
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| 18:49.11 | greycat | steampunkey_: works for me. The HP-UX man page clarifies it: "clock() returns the amount of CPU time (in microseconds) used since the first call to clock()." |
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| 18:49.28 | greycat | steampunkey_: I don't see that very, very, incredibly important sentence in the Debian man page, though. |
| 18:49.34 | remur_030 | fergal32: with the ip tool |
| 18:49.50 | Argafal | is there a command to see all dependencies, recursively, of a package? I want to see everything libwebkit depends on (incl. their versions) |
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| 18:50.38 | steampunkey_ | greycat: well since I called clock() before the second call, I'd assume I'd have to get something other than 0 when I subtract them. |
| 18:50.42 | dondelelcaro | Argafal: see apt-rdepends |
| 18:50.57 | Argafal | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll check it out right now. |
| 18:50.58 | steampunkey_ | *values returned |
| 18:51.20 | greycat | steampunkey_: worked for me on Lenny. |
| 18:51.33 | steampunkey_ | greycat: what exactly did you do? |
| 18:51.40 | steampunkey_ | some test code perhaps? |
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| 18:51.51 | greycat | Make sure your CPU-eating loop didn't get optimized away. I had it putchar('\0') and then redirected the lot to /dev/null so the compiler wouldn't nuke the loop altogether. |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | time_t t = clock(); int i; for (i=0; i<10000000; i++) { putchar('\0'); } t = clock(); fprintf (stderr, "%ld\n", (long) t); |
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| 18:52.52 | demism | I downloaded a *.deb file flash_player_10.deb and i get pkg architecture does not match system amd64... any way around this, is there a flash package i haven't found? |
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| 18:53.25 | Argafal | mh, anyone every tried to get webkit for lenny? looks kinda bad for me, every package >= 1.1.18 has an aweful big bunch of dependencies... everything below has nasty bugs or is pre-api changes. |
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| 18:54.50 | bzed | Argafal: I thought about backporting qt but I didn't have enough spare time to do it |
| 18:55.22 | Argafal | backporting qt? backporting it? |
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| 18:57.01 | cusco | demism: how about apt-get install ? |
| 18:57.16 | steampunkey_ | greycat: thanks. i guess microseconds are just too much time for the CPU. |
| 18:57.41 | demism | cusco: what's the flash package name I can't find it at all... perhaps I don't have the right repos in my sources.list |
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| 18:58.07 | cusco | apt-cache search flash plugin |
| 18:58.21 | cusco | I am using flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:58.41 | cusco | it is in contrib |
| 18:58.50 | greycat | steampunkey_: don't know what else to say. I get 260000 when I run it. |
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| 18:59.59 | steampunkey_ | greycat: funny, i get the same number. |
| 19:00.01 | Argafal | bzed: did you ever start to analyse the dependencies? |
| 19:00.41 | steampunkey_ | greycat: which would be less surprising if I wasn't running the code on a 800Mhz beast. |
| 19:00.43 | greycat | steampunkey_: and 540000 if I double the number of iterations |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | this is on a: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.20GHz |
| 19:01.15 | steampunkey_ | greycat: 550000 here, but something's really fishy. |
| 19:01.39 | steampunkey_ | granted, I run that in textual mode on that PC |
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| 19:02.25 | bzed | Argafal: you need to backport phonon at least |
| 19:02.41 | bzed | Argafal: and then I think qt should be able to build... |
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| 19:04.54 | Argafal | bzed: i'm geting confused. you are talking about qt, i'm talking about libwebkit. am i not seeing something here? |
| 19:06.45 | steampunkey_ | greycat: thx for trying to help out |
| 19:06.45 | bzed | Argafal: ah thought you were talking about the qt webkit |
| 19:07.00 | Argafal | bzed: ah, i see. sorry. i was refering to webkitgtk. my fault. |
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| 19:08.17 | xota | hi! I'm creating a debian package and I need to remove some files when I install the package, but not while I'm building it. How can I do it? |
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| 19:08.55 | greycat | That would go in the postinst script, no? |
| 19:09.40 | xota | greycat: create a filled called debian/postinst? |
| 19:09.50 | xota | filled -> file* |
| 19:09.53 | greycat | !mg |
| 19:09.53 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | should be somewhere in one of those |
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| 19:10.24 | xota | perfect, thanks greycat |
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| 19:22.11 | Juzzy | if I have a local repo mirror, and a custom repo (built from apt-get source mods) how can I tell apt to prefer my repo packages over the base ones? |
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| 19:23.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Juzzy about pinning |
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| 19:23.34 | jelly-home | Juzzy: you'll need to have a Release file in your repo |
| 19:23.39 | greycat | I think the "correct" answer is to increase the version number on your customized debs. |
| 19:23.50 | Juzzy | ah just pin it, ok |
| 19:23.58 | Juzzy | yea I do |
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| 19:24.06 | Juzzy | signed and everyhitng |
| 19:24.09 | Juzzy | and apt-key'd |
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| 19:28.57 | jelly-home | greycat: that's the trivial solution! |
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| 19:30.18 | jelly-home | still, even if at present time his custom version is the latest, correctly configured pinning would help in not installing the newer package from distro even when it happens |
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| 19:37.37 | eli_ | Im right now running ubuntu on my comp and would like to install debian on it |
| 19:37.56 | eli_ | but Im getting errors during the installation all the time |
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| 19:38.23 | wols | what kind of errors? |
| 19:38.36 | eli_ | wonder if there's a some how I could check to see if my hardware supports a debian installation |
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| 19:38.56 | wols | what hardware do you have?= |
| 19:39.21 | wols | since you are in ubuntu: lspci -nn and pastebin the output of that to paste.debian.net for example |
| 19:39.52 | sandman1965 | eli http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware |
| 19:40.10 | sandman1965 | it's a god point of start |
| 19:40.17 | eli_ | I though that anything which runs ubuntu should also be able to run debian |
| 19:40.35 | greycat | There could be issues with certain SATA disk controllers, network interfaces, etc. |
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| 19:41.00 | wols | eli_: in principle yes. but current debian stable uses an older kernel, so there might be issues there |
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| 19:41.05 | sandman1965 | eli, use a debian live dvd or cdd |
| 19:41.08 | wols | but these problems can be overcome if you want to |
| 19:41.11 | sandman1965 | cd |
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| 19:41.29 | eli_ | okej Im having a nividia graphic card which is external and a whiles network card |
| 19:41.48 | eli_ | should a remove before installation? |
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| 19:41.54 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:41.56 | demism | what do i need to install to get sound up and running |
| 19:41.58 | greycat | what problem are you actually having? |
| 19:42.25 | greycat | !tell demism about install alsa |
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| 19:44.20 | eli_ | if I insert a debian live cd what will then happen? |
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| 19:44.43 | aarcane | eli_, boom. |
| 19:44.44 | demism | well i have alsa installed and well I can't hear sound at all using speaker-test, youtube, etc... |
| 19:44.47 | eli_ | will it simulate a debian os startup |
| 19:44.57 | greycat | Usually nothing. Unless you're running Windows at the time. Then you get an annoying pop-up. |
| 19:45.02 | bzed | eli_: you'll cut yourself within things I do not want to think about |
| 19:45.14 | greycat | eli_: what problem are you having when you attempt the install? |
| 19:45.18 | jeeves | how can I get my "Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)" card working? http://pastebin.com/ewwN2RdG |
| 19:45.52 | eli_ | dont really remember because it was a while since a did it |
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| 19:46.47 | eli_ | but I thought about doing it again and just check in here to see if there where any recommendations before I head for it |
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| 19:47.35 | jeeves | greycat, any ideas on this WiFi mess I'm working with? |
| 19:48.16 | greycat | nope. I don't do wireless. |
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| 19:48.34 | jeeves | greycat, ok, thought I'd ask |
| 19:48.41 | lonewolf2010 | ? |
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| 19:52.51 | eli_ | is debian wiki page the best place to start reading or a book? |
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| 19:53.20 | fefo | eli_: yes |
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| 19:53.39 | greycat | The install guide would be the best place to start reading, most likely. |
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| 19:53.52 | p3rror | do you know fragrouter |
| 19:54.03 | mirak | hi |
| 19:54.04 | fefo | only frogrouter |
| 19:54.29 | mirak | can bsd use a mdraid array ? |
| 19:54.33 | mirak | .join #bsd |
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| 19:54.41 | greycat | Fail. |
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| 19:54.56 | aarcane | hands mirak a / |
| 19:54.59 | greycat | Try: /join ##freebsd |
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| 19:55.27 | wols | jeeves: what is the PCI ID of your wlan chip? lspci -nn |
| 19:55.56 | Titan8990 | eli_: the wiki page is good for reference but as far as beginner reading, there is good stuff on tldp.org |
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| 19:56.02 | jeeves | wols, one sec. d-loading headers and subversion |
| 19:56.14 | wols | jeeves: what for? you don't need either |
| 19:56.24 | mirak | aarcane, thanks |
| 19:56.26 | wols | Titan8990: does tldp.org even get current howtos? |
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| 19:56.31 | mirak | greycat, thanks |
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| 19:56.59 | jeeves | wols, http://pastebin.com/t7wWkZHE |
| 19:57.26 | wols | nn to N |
| 19:57.30 | Titan8990 | wols: a lot of the docs are older but still relevant |
| 19:57.32 | wols | no m like mother in there |
| 19:57.50 | Titan8990 | especially the basic stuff.. doesn't change much |
| 19:57.51 | jeeves | wols, proper syntax of the command? |
| 19:58.04 | greycat | ell ess pee cee eye space minus en en |
| 19:58.10 | greycat | l s p c i - n n |
| 19:58.25 | greycat | Friends don't let friends use Windows-based IRC clients.... |
| 19:58.33 | metalfan_ | thats a good one |
| 19:58.35 | ham5 | I use mirc! |
| 19:58.36 | Titan8990 | ah! I get it! you have to put spaces in-between the letters |
| 19:58.41 | jeeves | I did that and got that output |
| 19:59.03 | jeeves | wols, this might help as well http://pastebin.com/ewwN2RdG |
| 19:59.13 | jelly-home | jeeves: no, you did -nm, and they asked for two "n"s |
| 19:59.14 | p3rror | fefo, i wana do some forwarding |
| 19:59.25 | jeeves | jelly-home, oops. one sec |
| 19:59.27 | Titan8990 | jeeves: we won't be of much help if you can't tell the difference between the letter "n" and the letter "m" |
| 19:59.33 | p3rror | fefo, and i wana that the trafic forwarded return back |
| 19:59.41 | p3rror | fefo, fragrouter can help ? |
| 19:59.49 | jeeves | Titan8990, I'm on a netbook |
| 20:00.09 | jelly-home | Titan8990: this message brought to you by the color green and the letter Z |
| 20:00.10 | jeeves | wols, http://pastebin.com/8X5Lnj4h |
| 20:00.20 | jeeves | jelly-home, hey, be nice! |
| 20:00.35 | wols | ,versions 168c:001a |
| 20:00.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named '168c:001a' was found. |
| 20:00.38 | Titan8990 | pciid 168c:001a |
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| 20:00.41 | wols | ,pciid 168c:001a |
| 20:00.41 | Titan8990 | ,pciid 168c:001a |
| 20:00.43 | judd | [168c:001a] is 'AR2413 802.11bg NIC' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001a http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
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| 20:00.44 | judd | [168c:001a] is 'AR2413 802.11bg NIC' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001a http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 20:00.48 | Titan8990 | wols: we both failed hehe |
| 20:00.51 | greycat | Brought to you by the number i and the letter upsilon. |
| 20:00.51 | wols | Titan8990: I better go to bed now I guess |
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| 20:01.32 | wols | jeeves: your card should work fine. run iwconfig, look if it's associated and configure it properly if it's not |
| 20:01.40 | jelly-home | greycat: let's keep things real |
| 20:01.43 | jeeves | and to thikup NIC |
| 20:01.53 | fefo | p3rror: iptables can help |
| 20:02.00 | fefo | p3rror: i dont know fragrouter |
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| 20:02.22 | fefo | mirak: md is not used |
| 20:02.25 | fefo | use GEOM |
| 20:02.30 | jeeves | wols, I ran ifconfig and it's not listed |
| 20:02.36 | fefo | GEOM_MIRROR, gmirror(8) |
| 20:02.45 | p3rror | fefo, yes i know |
| 20:02.57 | jeeves | wols, I've got lo, and eth0 (my on-board NIC) |
| 20:02.59 | wols | yes you are a legasthenic jeeves . read what I wrote until you finally read it correctly. please |
| 20:03.00 | snot | I'm trying to use lvm for my rootfs. however my vg's arent detected so I'm dumped to a initram console where I can manually execute lvm vgchange -ay to enable the vg's... how can I make this happen automatically? |
| 20:03.18 | jeeves | wols, I'm missing a post then. |
| 20:03.51 | jeeves | wols, repost please |
| 20:03.54 | wols | no, you are missing many braincells. please change your nick to BertieWooster |
| 20:04.00 | wols | no I don't repost |
| 20:04.31 | jeeves | wols, no need to be a prick about it |
| 20:04.49 | SerajewelKS | wols: is this why man climbed out of the primordial soup? to lead others on and break hearts? and then to go about playing tennis and GEEggling! |
| 20:05.06 | aguitel | how to use deborphan in terminal ? |
| 20:05.17 | greycat | run, uh, run deborphan. and read the output. |
| 20:05.17 | SerajewelKS | jeeves: i think what he's telling you to do is use page-up and reread the chat log |
| 20:05.19 | wols | man climbed to annoy others better. #d is the living proof of that |
| 20:05.22 | snot | aguitel: just type it... |
| 20:05.27 | greycat | s/^run/you/ |
| 20:05.33 | SerajewelKS | wols: it was my favorite wooster quote, but whatever :) |
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| 20:05.44 | jeeves | SerajewelKS, I did, and it's obvious that I'm missing parts of the log due to connection issues. Hence the polite request to repost |
| 20:06.10 | aar_cane | evening SerajewelKS. |
| 20:06.11 | SerajewelKS | jeeves: TCP is stream-based, and you have not disconnected. hence, you have the complete log. |
| 20:06.20 | SerajewelKS | hello aar_cane |
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| 20:06.27 | sei | hello |
| 20:06.30 | wols | and his answer proved he misread it. again |
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| 20:06.41 | jeeves | SerajewelKS, then obviously I missed it due to his lack of appending my name to his fix |
| 20:06.43 | greycat | jeeves: The problem seems to be that you can't SEE the LETTERS that people are typing. |
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| 20:07.03 | greycat | jeeves: You were told to run -nn and you ran -nm. You were told to run iwconfig and you ran ifconfig. |
| 20:07.03 | aar_cane | can anyone read my password? it's ******* |
| 20:07.12 | greycat | aar_cane: that's a great password. |
| 20:07.21 | aguitel | deborphan |
| 20:07.21 | tvstebut | Hello |
| 20:07.29 | SerajewelKS | aar_cane: is that the password on your luggage? |
| 20:07.30 | wols | aguitel: ETERM |
| 20:07.42 | aar_cane | SerajewelKS, no, that's 12345 |
| 20:07.48 | SerajewelKS | aar_cane: oh, right |
| 20:07.50 | jeeves | greycat, the output from "iwconfig -nn" is "-nn No such device" |
| 20:07.56 | aar_cane | oh damnit, now I need more luggage. |
| 20:08.02 | Titan8990 | jeeves: wow! |
| 20:08.12 | greycat | OK, I take it back. It's not just a vision problem. There are also comprehension issues. |
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| 20:08.31 | jeeves | no need to be all "high and mighty" here. it was a simple question for the proper syntax |
| 20:08.33 | SerajewelKS | greycat: or a very elaborate troll |
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| 20:08.46 | greycat | Yeah, this level of stupidity could very well be artificial. |
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| 20:09.52 | greycat | Since he's in EXTRA THICK mode, let me retype my previous comment without ANY omissions or shortcuts. |
| 20:09.54 | tvstebut | Hello |
| 20:09.55 | tvstebut | I'd like to know how to install an Xserver on my bo |
| 20:10.13 | greycat | jeeves: You seem to have trouble SEEING the LETTERS. You were told to run lspci -nn and you ran lscpci -nm. You were told to run iwconfig and you ran ifconfig. |
| 20:10.48 | wols | tvstebut: aptitude install xorg |
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| 20:11.49 | jax55 | is this the proper channel for emdebian as well? |
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| 20:11.57 | wols | !emdebian |
| 20:11.58 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:12.07 | jeeves | greycat, http://pastebin.com/0bxBT3jD |
| 20:12.13 | wols | jax55: sorta, but they at oftc usually know more about it |
| 20:12.17 | jeeves | greycat, there is the output of each command |
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| 20:12.32 | jax55 | wols, thank you |
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| 20:13.09 | wols | jax55: if we can help we do. it's debian after all |
| 20:13.32 | jax55 | cool, thx, have a great day, i am off to explore that channel ;-) |
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| 20:13.44 | aarcane | looks for emdebian for his wrt54gl |
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| 20:14.01 | wols | aguitel: debian in 4-8MB of flash? I don't think so |
| 20:14.04 | jeeves | aarcane, it's a d-link PCI 802.11n card |
| 20:14.06 | wols | aarcane: ^^ |
| 20:14.32 | Titan8990 | jeeves: apt-cache policy libc6 wireless-tools |
| 20:14.44 | aguitel | wols, i do not understand |
| 20:14.46 | jeeves | Titan8990, thank you |
| 20:14.46 | greycat | jeeves: well, like I said before, I don't do wireless. I'd probably start with what judd said in response to your PCI ID. |
| 20:14.55 | wols | aguitel: cause it wasn't meant for you, sorry |
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| 20:14.57 | aarcane | jeeves, you need to upgrade your toast, then it'll work. |
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| 20:15.17 | aguitel | wols, no problem |
| 20:15.21 | jeeves | aarcane, upgrade my toast? how do I do that? |
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| 20:16.20 | jeeves | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=GFDqhWBP |
| 20:16.34 | aarcane | jeeves, apt-get update toast; ping -f www.fbi.gov |
| 20:16.51 | wols | aarcane: don't do this |
| 20:17.29 | jeeves | aarcane, cute second command, but here, it's ping cicis.gc.ca |
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| 20:18.14 | aarcane | wols, you're right, I'm sorry. I forget not to feed the trolls sometiems. |
| 20:18.21 | jeeves | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=GFDqhWBP |
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| 20:20.21 | SerajewelKS | jeeves: so go to #ubuntu |
| 20:20.30 | SerajewelKS | jeeves: ubuntu support is off-topic here |
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| 20:20.39 | jeeves | SerajewelKS, thanks. I think I will. a little less pretentious in there. |
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| 20:21.09 | SerajewelKS | that was fun |
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| 20:21.28 | greycat | FUCK. |
| 20:21.40 | greycat | I want my 20 minutes back. |
| 20:21.40 | aarcane | sorry again everyone, I know I slip sometiems. |
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| 20:22.21 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: i laughed on the inside |
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| 20:23.31 | aarcane | hey SerajewelKS, what's the KS in your nick stand for? |
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| 20:24.08 | _linuxftw | Hi, I want to get gcc-4.5 which is currently in the experimental repository running on an old version of debian (etch) without doing a full dist upgrade, is this possible? |
| 20:24.28 | greycat | .... wtf? |
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| 20:24.59 | greycat | _linuxftw: you could build it from source. Yes. It's possible to build it from source on your unsupported old version of Debian. |
| 20:25.36 | _linuxftw | it lists a lot of dependencies... will I have to build them too? |
| 20:25.46 | greycat | !ssb |
| 20:25.47 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 20:26.16 | greycat | !experimental |
| 20:26.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 20:27.18 | _linuxftw | so basically it can't be done in 10 minutes, oh well |
| 20:27.28 | greycat | *headdesk* |
| 20:27.44 | aarcane | _linuxftw, why aren't you willing to update to a supported release? |
| 20:28.03 | greycat | Even if he updates to stable, we still don't support experimental. |
| 20:28.04 | _linuxftw | aarcane: I will at some point, but I expect it to break everything |
| 20:28.05 | Titan8990 | becuase apparently his administration time is limited to 10min |
| 20:28.30 | greycat | ... wait. He won't update to stable because it'll break everything, but he wants to run an EXPERIMENTAL GCC?! |
| 20:28.41 | aarcane | facepalms |
| 20:28.43 | Titan8990 | greycat: makes sense to me |
| 20:28.49 | _linuxftw | greycat: gcc is hardly critical |
| 20:29.13 | greycat | Sure, if you never COMPILE ANYTHING with it.... |
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| 20:29.45 | Titan8990 | is today sunday? |
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| 20:30.03 | greycat | Sunday today. Sunday tomorrow. |
| 20:30.24 | jelly-home | !sing sunday |
| 20:30.25 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 20:34.53 | SerajewelKS | this is all making my running-icedove-in-a-chroot nonsense look pretty sane |
| 20:35.39 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: for security reasons? |
| 20:35.57 | jelly-home | EVIL mail |
| 20:36.05 | peterrooney | nah, for the convenience |
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| 20:36.53 | Titan8990 | I was just thinking that MAC would be a more sane way of accomplishing similar results |
| 20:37.06 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: because i wanted icedove3 and this box runs lenny |
| 20:37.25 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: and backporting turned out to require basically half of squeeze to be backported anyway |
| 20:37.52 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: so instead i debootstrapped a squeeze chroot and bind-mounted a ton of shit in, like the X socket dir |
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| 20:38.14 | SerajewelKS | it seems to work pretty well though, for such a kludge |
| 20:38.17 | _linuxftw | sounds complicated |
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| 20:38.36 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: oh.. I just used the upstream thunderbird tarball... extract to /opt, symlink to /usr/local/bin, done |
| 20:38.36 | SerajewelKS | it's not complicated per se, you just have to get a lot of shit right |
| 20:38.47 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: yeah that's the pansy method :P |
| 20:38.51 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 20:39.01 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: chroots grow hair on your chest |
| 20:39.19 | Theoden | I'm trying to compile a kernel but I'm getting an error I cannot decipher. Could someone please look at this and suggest a course of action that I can take to fix this problem - http://pastebin.com/ZdPrxYC9 |
| 20:39.23 | SerajewelKS | and annoy the wife when she can hear you cursing from the other room |
| 20:39.24 | aarcane | writes himself a note not to let his wife use chroot |
| 20:39.31 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: my personal bind9 named server runs in a chroot |
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| 20:39.38 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: actually hair for men, boobies for women |
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| 20:40.02 | puty | hi everybody |
| 20:40.04 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: plus i mean... chroots are just fucking awesome. why WOULDN'T you want to use one? |
| 20:40.11 | Titan8990 | Theoden: that is from running "make" on vanilla sources? |
| 20:40.20 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: and, depending on your physiology, also boobies for men |
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| 20:40.45 | puty | i god insalled wicd as network manager |
| 20:40.52 | Juzzy | jelly-home: if I have an installed version of a pkg from a base repo, and my version in my custom repo is the same version, I can't get apt to upgrade it no matter how I try (-t or pin) |
| 20:40.56 | Theoden | Titan8990: ok?? |
| 20:41.08 | puty | yesterday i shutdown comp |
| 20:41.13 | jelly-home | Juzzy: don't make it the same version. |
| 20:41.18 | aarcane | rm -rf `find / -iname *chroot*` |
| 20:41.22 | Titan8990 | Theoden: the correct answer would have been either "yes" or "no" |
| 20:41.32 | jelly-home | aarcane: ewww |
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| 20:41.54 | Theoden | Titan8990: The code is patched - so no. |
| 20:41.58 | Titan8990 | aarcane: -exec for find |
| 20:42.09 | Titan8990 | Theoden: I would say there is a problem with your patch then |
| 20:42.11 | greycat | I'm not sure I'd bother correcting that command |
| 20:42.35 | greycat | there are... several issues. |
| 20:42.46 | Theoden | Titan8990: Ok |
| 20:42.48 | jelly-home | I'm sure sure if I'd bother pointing to /msg dpkg using find |
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| 20:42.52 | Juzzy | jelly: pfft :) |
| 20:43.10 | Titan8990 | Theoden: I would try to contact the maintainer of the patch. If that is you, then I have no advice |
| 20:43.11 | greycat | dpkg, using find =~ s#wooledge.org:8000#mywiki.wooledge.org# |
| 20:43.11 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:43.11 | jelly-home | sorry, s/sure sure/not sure/ |
| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | greycat: I think you did that already? |
| 20:43.29 | Juzzy | it's a bash 4.1.5 with custom debian/patch/* files |
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| 20:43.36 | greycat | dpkg, using find =~ s#, or# or# |
| 20:43.37 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:43.52 | greycat | jelly-home: It'll redirect, sure, but it's always nice to fix up obsolete URLs when I find them. |
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| 20:44.33 | jelly-home | greycat: I mean, I think I remember you fixing that exact factoid recently |
| 20:44.45 | greycat | nope, wasn't me |
| 20:44.48 | jelly-home | dpkg: listvals wooledge |
| 20:44.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wooledge' by value (15 of 21): CMD: alicesmite (.*?) ;; bash faq ;; bash pitfalls ;; config-2.4.18-bf2.4 ;; ds ;; flying goku ;; ftp must die ;; locale ;; parsing ls ;; permissions ;; safecat ;; sid faq ;; teknap vbr patch ;; using find ;; xyproblem. |
| 20:44.51 | greycat | or wasn't that factoid |
| 20:44.57 | Theoden | Titan8990: Thx. It's not me - but others I know are succeeding with it. lol Lucky me. :) |
| 20:45.05 | Titan8990 | alicesmite jelly-home |
| 20:45.35 | Titan8990 | Theoden: are you using the same version of kernel sources and gcc as the others? |
| 20:46.31 | Theoden | Titan8990: Yes. |
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| 20:47.32 | Titan8990 | Theoden: what is this patch for? |
| 20:48.11 | Theoden | Kolivas patches |
| 20:49.19 | Titan8990 | Theoden: I would imagine there is a mailing list or some type of support for the -ck patches |
| 20:49.38 | Theoden | Titan8990: Yup - I will pursue it. |
| 20:50.16 | jelly-home | #ck on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:51.35 | jelly-home | (that's for Theoden, and denotes an irc channel) |
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| 20:53.09 | puty | hi |
| 20:54.16 | puty | no one? |
| 20:54.37 | _linuxftw | yep nobody here |
| 20:54.59 | jim_de | hi all, i asked yesterday aswell, has anyone gotten web apps in /usr/share/ (phpmyadmin one example) to run under mod-fastcgi??? |
| 20:55.41 | Titan8990 | I would expect phpmyadmin to use mod_phpx and not any form of CGI... |
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| 20:56.13 | jelly-home | assuming the web server in question has such a thing as mod-php |
| 20:56.14 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: you can run php scripts using a cgi interface. you can also run them with mod_phpx. |
| 20:56.22 | jelly-home | x. |
| 20:56.25 | jim_de | titan: run both mod-php and cgi? |
| 20:56.33 | jim_de | cgi is a must for me |
| 20:56.39 | jim_de | (suphp) |
| 20:56.48 | jelly-home | jim_de: which web server software are we talking about? |
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| 20:56.54 | aarcane | runs them as php file.php > file.html in a make file |
| 20:56.57 | jim_de | jelly: apache |
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| 20:57.06 | jim_de | jelly: apache2 |
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| 21:00.27 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: for a mostly-static site that's actually not a bad idea :) |
| 21:00.50 | jim_de | problem is, i want to host multiple sites ;) |
| 21:01.31 | aarcane | jim_de, it's normal to run multiple sites all as www-user with php. |
| 21:01.31 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am running sid when i do a process listing i see this hald-addon-storage: no polling because /dev/hda is locked via O_EXCL. this seem to hold up all other processes that need to scan devices like vgscan. aptitude safe-upgrade fails due to the locks. i have several processes pf hald in state D. is there a way to get rid of the lock or is reboot the only way |
| 21:01.43 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: that's terribly insecure though |
| 21:01.57 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, I agree, but "everyone does it" |
| 21:02.08 | SerajewelKS | aarcane: everyone runs windows on their desktops too |
| 21:02.19 | jim_de | aarcane: my previous setup was like that, i going with fastcgi+suphp for this project |
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| 21:02.41 | jim_de | so the problem is that the suphp engine is disabled for /usr/share |
| 21:02.55 | jim_de | for apps in that folder i want to just use fastcgi |
| 21:02.57 | aarcane | SerajewelKS, you're preaching to the choir there, SerajewelKS |
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| 21:03.21 | jim_de | the fastcgi documentation site is offline and i wanted to see if there is a "best practice" solution |
| 21:03.22 | SerajewelKS | halflife08: do you know what process is holding the lock? is it something you can safely kill or otherwise terminate? |
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| 21:04.48 | aguitel | how install lxde with netinstall iso image ? |
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| 21:05.09 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: install debian with the netinstall, then install lxde when you boot into your new install |
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| 21:05.51 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, in this way you are installing gnome first |
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| 21:06.04 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: not if you don't select "Desktop environment" during the install |
| 21:06.06 | halflife08 | it is the process /usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-volume and that process is in state D |
| 21:06.23 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, great |
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| 21:06.29 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, ok |
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| 21:06.45 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, only minimum system |
| 21:06.48 | SerajewelKS | halflife08: hrm... yeah, those can be buggers. reboot is probably the fastest way to get your system operable again... |
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| 21:06.59 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: right, just the base system. then build what you want on top of it. |
| 21:07.04 | halflife08 | sigh!. thanks for confirming it |
| 21:07.11 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: this is how i build even my desktop systems |
| 21:07.40 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, in the command line:aptitude install lxde |
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| 21:07.54 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: assuming lxde is the package name, then yes |
| 21:07.54 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, and that{s all |
| 21:08.07 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, ok |
| 21:08.18 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: it looks like that will get you most of lxde, and a display manager too |
| 21:08.36 | aguitel | SerajewelKS, and the x ? |
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| 21:09.24 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: the display manager should depend on one |
| 21:09.29 | SerajewelKS | aguitel: if not, install xserver-xorg too |
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| 21:11.47 | rzeka | does webmin allow me to configure postfix or sendmail only? |
| 21:11.51 | demeter | hi, how do i scroll up in xterm |
| 21:12.17 | aarcane | rotate your wheel so that the top of it is moving toward the cord on your mouse. |
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| 21:12.49 | AimHere | Shift+pgup might be useful too |
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| 21:14.18 | SerajewelKS | rzeka: webmin is not in debian, and it's insecure |
| 21:14.38 | jim_de | rzeka: i think you can uninstall any plugins that you dont want from inside webmin |
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| 21:19.03 | karsten | What's a good tool for managing filter rules on an IMAP server, preferably client-side. |
| 21:19.32 | karsten | Server is Exchange. Its rule filtering sucks. I could use local procmail, but am hitting server w/ both KMail and mutt (kmail for calendar and stuff). |
| 21:19.58 | SerajewelKS | i didn't think there was a standard for filters |
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| 21:20.13 | karsten | SerajewelKS: There is, it's called procmail, and you *WILL* love it. |
| 21:20.26 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i use dovecot and sieve personally |
| 21:20.29 | karsten | No matter how many times it eats your lunch and craps on your hard drive. |
| 21:20.39 | karsten | SerajewelKS: with ... ? |
| 21:20.44 | SerajewelKS | karsten: vi? |
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| 21:21.17 | SerajewelKS | karsten: there is a "managesieve" extension in dovecot but i don't use it. editing the sieve rules by hand is easy enough. |
| 21:21.19 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... dovecot is your imap server? I'm in a corp env, Exchange is a given. |
| 21:21.34 | SerajewelKS | karsten: right. what i'm saying is i don't think there is a standard protocol for editing server-side filters |
| 21:21.58 | SerajewelKS | karsten: so i don't think the question "What's a good tool for managing filter rules on an IMAP server" makes any sense |
| 21:22.05 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Even if it's something that runs locally and shifts the mail around on the server, that's fine. |
| 21:22.08 | SerajewelKS | karsten: because i don't think that's part of the IMAP standard (though i could be wrong) |
| 21:22.20 | SerajewelKS | karsten: ah, then that's a different question |
| 21:22.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: What I've seen of Exchange's rule capabilities is that they redefine what it is "to suck". |
| 21:22.35 | SerajewelKS | karsten: thunderbird has filters... |
| 21:22.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i'm not sure what you're shooting for exactly |
| 21:22.51 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Objective: a solution, implemented/managed client-side, that deals with server-side IMAP folders. Not in a client. |
| 21:23.07 | SerajewelKS | karsten: well it will happen in a client, by definition |
| 21:23.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: kmail also has filters. I'd prefer a daemon / cron'd service doing this than a user app. |
| 21:23.19 | SerajewelKS | karsten: presumably you mean more of a daemon client instead of a GUI client |
| 21:23.23 | karsten | Right. |
| 21:23.49 | SerajewelKS | karsten: no experience there, sorry :/ |
| 21:24.06 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i have experience in almost every other way to do filters, but not that one :) |
| 21:24.09 | karsten | SerajewelKS: .. I *could* set up fetchmail to populate my local dovecot server .... |
| 21:24.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: right, except you really want to use getmail |
| 21:24.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: yeah, it seems to be a fairly frequently asked question, but one that's rarely satisfactorially answered. |
| 21:24.42 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that's my setup: http://www.chrishowie.com/files/Mailsetup-Myrig.png |
| 21:24.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Last time I faced this I used offlineimap and/or fetchmail + procmail. |
| 21:25.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: mostly because i am a geek who'd prefer adminning his own mail server than use gmail |
| 21:26.12 | karsten | Yeah, you're doing what I just suggested then: run dovecot locally (on same box or in same network) and fetch mail from other servers via it. |
| 21:26.25 | karlpinc | karsten: fetchmail + procmail seems fine, but how do you sync back to the imap server? |
| 21:26.31 | SerajewelKS | karsten: via getmail actually, not dovecot |
| 21:26.44 | karsten | karlpinc: You don't. |
| 21:26.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: and i'd suggest you look into getmail -- it seems much more reliable than fetchmail, and easier to config |
| 21:26.57 | demeter | loll `apt-get install xfont*' |
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| 21:26.59 | karsten | SerajewelKS: What I meant, not what I said. |
| 21:27.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: right :) |
| 21:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | why getmail instead of fetchmail? |
| 21:27.33 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: Two lines up. |
| 21:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. I think my config file is maybe two lines long, and it's been working for ten years. |
| 21:28.12 | karsten | ponders SerajewelKS's solution. |
| 21:29.09 | karlpinc | karsten: How about using mailsync + fetchmail + procmail? I did "aptitude search ~Gprotocol::imap' and found a number of likely candidates for syncing back to the imap server. |
| 21:29.16 | SerajewelKS | karsten: note that this solution is my setup for migrating away from gmail, so it's aimed at retaining all of the awesome while killing all of the suck |
| 21:29.34 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yeah, I see that. It's actually pretty cool. |
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| 21:29.40 | Noble | If I plug in a SATA drive to my mother board when the computer is running, could that be a problem? Will the disk function normally in linux? |
| 21:29.48 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it's hobbled together from a few howtos :) |
| 21:29.50 | valdyn | Noble: yes |
| 21:30.09 | karsten | Noble: I don't like hot-plugging HW that's not designed for it specifically. |
| 21:30.11 | SerajewelKS | Noble: if your motherboard's SATA controller supports hotswap then it might work |
| 21:30.26 | valdyn | Noble: unless the sata controller is in some legacy mode i guess |
| 21:30.26 | SerajewelKS | Noble: if it does not then you stand a good chance of frying the drive and/or the motherboard. RTFM. |
| 21:30.27 | jhutchins_lt | Noble: In my experience most systems won't detect a hotplug, but hotplug is supported in the SATA spec. |
| 21:30.31 | _WILL_ | Noble: udevd refresh /dev nodes |
| 21:30.37 | karsten | Noble: Powering down has far fewer catastrophic downside consequences. |
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| 21:30.58 | karsten | _WILL_: Works *IF* vendor kit supports hotswap. |
| 21:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | Noble: I use a tray meant for hotplugging with a lever that smoothly engages/disengages the connectors. |
| 21:31.08 | SerajewelKS | Noble: if the mobo does support hotswap then the worst-case scenario is that linux doesn't notice the drive at all |
| 21:31.12 | Noble | I see. How about eSATA? |
| 21:31.26 | valdyn | Noble: that is only different jacks and plugs |
| 21:31.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Have you detailed the awesome/suck anywhere (docs/web/blog)? |
| 21:31.36 | karsten | Noble: Same story. |
| 21:31.40 | SerajewelKS | karsten: mostly on twitter/facebook |
| 21:31.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: URLs? |
| 21:31.52 | _WILL_ | karsten: I hotplug my eSATA drive without problem |
| 21:31.56 | Noble | So I *should* power down my computer when I plug in a eSATA drive? |
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| 21:32.03 | valdyn | Noble: no |
| 21:32.20 | Noble | My new computer case has a eSATA plug. I hooked it up to my mobos SATA connector. |
| 21:32.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: awesome: accessible anywhere, archives all email. suck: all my mail is on gmail's servers. would prefer to use my own domain (google apps aside). other: since dovecot is on my lan, my setup is a lot faster than gmail. |
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| 21:32.31 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that's it in a nutshell |
| 21:32.44 | valdyn | Noble: its all hotpluggable, but some ancient sata controllers or ancient sata drivers may not support it properly |
| 21:32.52 | Noble | I'm thinking of getting some sort of dockingstation for eSATA so I can easily bacukp disks for people. |
| 21:32.53 | _WILL_ | when I unplug my drive /dev/sdb1 is removed |
| 21:32.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if i setup squirrelmail then i essentially have feature parity |
| 21:33.00 | SerajewelKS | karsten: but i may not even do that |
| 21:33.04 | Noble | I see :) |
| 21:33.39 | helo_ | so... i accidentally suspended "startx" (ctrl+z), and after foregrounding it and switching back to vt7, i cannot click on anything... and i'm staring at some unsaved work... |
| 21:33.44 | SerajewelKS | karsten: the only downside i really have in my setup is that i'm responsible for all backups |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | Noble: like pata controllers with a sata "translation interface" |
| 21:33.53 | demeter | how do i run conky as a background process rather than it requiring an xterm window open to run |
| 21:33.55 | helo_ | rendering is working fine, the cursor is blinking, etc |
| 21:34.00 | karsten | helo_: Are you sure it's foregrounded? |
| 21:34.01 | SerajewelKS | karsten: which i take care of my rotating a backup on a thumb drive at work |
| 21:34.06 | helo_ | karsten: yeah |
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| 21:34.09 | Noble | valdyn: Ok, thank you for clearing that up :) |
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| 21:34.12 | karsten | helo_: ... I've done that w/ no problems before. |
| 21:34.16 | SerajewelKS | karsten: (every week i bring in a backup on a drive and take the other drive home for next week) |
| 21:34.18 | helo_ | i also cannot switch back to the vterm now :/ |
| 21:34.18 | helo_ | hmmm |
| 21:34.39 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Dig. Careful what you store at work. |
| 21:34.43 | helo_ | what's the name of the tool that can generate a click event at given coordinates? |
| 21:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | I've found that on a fairly recent Dell PowerEdge it won't detect a hotplugged drive, but if there is _a_ drive present when it boots it will let me swap it. |
| 21:34.53 | karsten | helo_: "mouse" :) |
| 21:34.57 | helo_ | hah |
| 21:35.00 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it's in a locked cabinet and the content itself is gpg-encrypted |
| 21:35.05 | karsten | helo_: There's also an x scriptign utillity... |
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| 21:35.34 | helo_ | it is behaving identically to when xtrlock is running, aside from the cursor change |
| 21:35.54 | helo_ | well, and the vt switching is locked now |
| 21:35.56 | SerajewelKS | karsten: the only key on any of my computers is a public key; the private key is stored on an obscure remote shell server for easy access by me, and in my safety deposit box on disk and paper in case something really bad happens |
| 21:36.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: having to pen-and-paper decrypt your GPG mail would be really bad. |
| 21:36.27 | SerajewelKS | karsten: so i'm not terribly worried that someone is going to get access to my mail :) |
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| 21:36.42 | aef | i'm using apache2 with mod_fcgi to run php scripts. if i call the scripts via https, the HTTPS variable doesn't get set and SERVER_PORT is still 80. but that's incorrect, the https connection is active on port 443. SSLOptions +StdEnvVars is set. what else could possibly cause this? |
| 21:36.52 | SerajewelKS | karsten: nah, the paper copy is in case the disk with the key degrades. i can type the key in and import the key. |
| 21:36.56 | helo_ | SerajewelKS: you may want to try roundcube instead of squirrelmail |
| 21:37.07 | SerajewelKS | karsten: (this is fairly standard gpg key practice) |
| 21:37.11 | karsten | helo_: http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html |
| 21:37.14 | SerajewelKS | helo_: noted, will take a look. thanks. |
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| 21:37.28 | helo_ | ajax ftw :) |
| 21:37.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I was thinking along the lines of "something really bad" :) |
| 21:37.35 | SerajewelKS | helo_: oh fuck that's sexy |
| 21:37.40 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... and I'm aware of that. |
| 21:37.52 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... pgp practices. |
| 21:37.54 | p_masho | newbie question.. is there a "command line installer".. I'm installing on a remote LAN .. It booting ok.. but wondered if there was a kinda "command line synaptic" ? |
| 21:37.54 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if every computer in the world dies then email won't really be at the top of my list of worries :) |
| 21:38.11 | SerajewelKS | p_masho: man aptitude |
| 21:38.13 | p_masho | .. eg to be able to select Samba, Postgres, python etc |
| 21:38.32 | SerajewelKS | p_masho: in fact, synaptic is relatively primitive compared to the command-line tools |
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| 21:38.41 | p_masho | SerajewelKS: presicely.... what I was looking for .. ta ;-) |
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| 21:38.47 | SerajewelKS | p_masho: np |
| 21:38.55 | karsten | !tell p_masho about aptitude |
| 21:40.44 | p_masho | !about |
| 21:40.45 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 21:44.57 | helo_ | i was testing whether i had done 'exec startx' as intended or lazy (and insecure) 'startx' |
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| 21:49.09 | Titan8990 | vlt: shouldn't be missing anything. any particular reason you are doing this manually? |
| 21:49.12 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I have @reboot gnome-terminal in my crontab but I get this error: cannot open display |
| 21:49.53 | simonrvn | uh, it needs x running... |
| 21:49.54 | vlt | Titan8990: Any idea how else to install grub there? |
| 21:50.10 | abrotman | kurkale6ka: and it's probably trying to run that as root .. why not just save your gnome-session ? |
| 21:50.19 | Titan8990 | vlt: it typically occurs during installation. are you trying to do a debootstrap install? |
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| 21:50.25 | helo | kurkale6ka: try a script that consits of: "DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-terminal"?, or maybe you can just do @reboot "DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-terminal" |
| 21:50.35 | abrotman | or save his gnome session ? |
| 21:50.55 | vlt | Titan8990: I'm trying to install grub to the MBR of a block device and tell it to boot from the first partition (hd0,0). |
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| 21:51.15 | Titan8990 | vlt: and I'm trying to ask how you got to this point in the first place |
| 21:51.24 | kurkale6ka | helo: I will try this |
| 21:51.47 | kurkale6ka | abrotman: it's not the root crontab, so I guess it shouldn't |
| 21:52.23 | vlt | Titan8990: Yes, debootstrap install. |
| 21:53.03 | Titan8990 | vlt: try grub-install |
| 21:54.56 | vlt | Titan8990: grub-install doesn't know how to associate --root-directory=... to the device to be installed to. |
| 21:55.15 | Titan8990 | vlt: are you not within the chroot? |
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| 21:56.02 | Titan8990 | vlt: also, are you using anything out of the ordinary such as GPT? |
| 21:56.02 | simonrvn | kurkale6ka: it'd be a lot simpler to do what abrotman suggested |
| 21:56.31 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: too simple to possibly be valid :p |
| 21:56.40 | kurkale6ka | simonrvn: but I want the application to start, not just record its state |
| 21:56.59 | simonrvn | uh, it will when you start up gnome... |
| 21:57.09 | vlt | Titan8990: No, no GPT, not in chroot |
| 21:57.20 | Titan8990 | kurkale6ka: gnome provides this functionality. system -> preferences -> startup applications |
| 21:57.26 | kurkale6ka | so, what about pidgin say? |
| 21:57.32 | simonrvn | (that's the point of saving the session) |
| 21:57.41 | simonrvn | what about it? |
| 21:58.09 | kurkale6ka | Titan8990: ah, ok, but doesn't it do that in the end? |
| 21:58.30 | simonrvn | not if it's not checked "save session automatically" |
| 21:58.32 | Titan8990 | vlt: and hd0,0 is a primary partition containing /boot? |
| 21:58.33 | xand | any ideas why the mtime of a file that is shared via nfs keeps changing on the client? also when I try and open it, it hangs whatever program I use to do so. it can be accessed fine on the server, and other files in that directory are fine on the client machines |
| 21:59.00 | simonrvn | stale nfs ? |
| 21:59.01 | vlt | Titan8990: Yes, see line 15 (of http://www.pastebin.org/186126) |
| 21:59.10 | kurkale6ka | Why would it be bad to write it myself in crontab? |
| 21:59.42 | simonrvn | because it doesn't work. like you saw. |
| 21:59.42 | vlt | Titan8990: Lines 18-20 lokk fine as well |
| 21:59.49 | vlt | s/lokk/look/ |
| 21:59.53 | helo | yeah... ignore what i suggested ;) |
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| 22:00.35 | Titan8990 | vlt: yes, but my only speculation on the error is that its telling you (hd0,0) does not exist.. since hd0 would not be a partition |
| 22:00.55 | Titan8990 | vlt: last suggestion: try from inside the chroot |
| 22:01.20 | Titan8990 | vlt: make sure you have mounted proc and dev |
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| 22:01.27 | kurkale6ka | If I go in system -> preferences -> startup applications, what will be done. Wouldn't that be write to a crontab? |
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| 22:01.48 | Titan8990 | kurkale6ka: no, it is a gnome configuration that only applies to gnome |
| 22:02.00 | simonrvn | no, no crontab is involved. |
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| 22:02.17 | kurkale6ka | ok |
| 22:03.52 | Titan8990 | vlt: actually, let me see your menu.lst |
| 22:03.53 | kurkale6ka | Can mutt notify me when I got new mail? |
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| 22:03.58 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: if it's started, and you configure "mailboxes" in muttrc appropiately, yes |
| 22:04.09 | vlt | Titan8990: It's the very same error from within chroot |
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| 22:05.00 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: I see, do I need to dpkg-reconfigure it? |
| 22:05.07 | vlt | Titan8990: http://www.pastebin.org/186182 |
| 22:05.33 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: no. mutt is not a service. You need to configure the application. |
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| 22:05.39 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 22:05.59 | [sr] | how can I disable udev from renaming my ethX device? |
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| 22:06.05 | [sr] | i don't want to uninstall it |
| 22:06.06 | Titan8990 | !70 |
| 22:06.06 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 22:06.27 | [sr] | gonna check :) |
| 22:06.28 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: is a service a synonym for daemon? |
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| 22:06.38 | Titan8990 | vlt: so this is to be a xen dom0? why are you not using a debian kernel... and a debian menu.lst |
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| 22:07.30 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: roughly |
| 22:08.02 | vlt | Titan8990: What's wrong with my menu.lst? |
| 22:08.03 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: Hmmm, I had to dpkg-reconf locales. Is this a service then? |
| 22:08.26 | aguitel | anyway to install emerald decoration in squeeze? |
| 22:08.40 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: it's not, but it's a part of the system |
| 22:08.59 | amphi | aguitel: you must build it, I expect |
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| 22:09.20 | Titan8990 | vlt: it was not generated by debian.. it does not include comments and hooks for debian's update-grub command. also, you shouldn't have /boot in there |
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| 22:09.37 | Titan8990 | vlt: that will work, but only if /boot contains a symlink of boot -> . |
| 22:10.00 | Titan8990 | vlt: at the point your kernel loads, the boot partition *is* /. see the problem? |
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| 22:10.43 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: basically mutt must always be running anyway? |
| 22:10.44 | Titan8990 | ehh actually that may only apply if /boot and / are seperate partitions |
| 22:11.01 | [sr] | Titan8990, if i want to just disable the change for the 70 udev, is it possible? instead of setting the proper MAC in the file to the iface i want? |
| 22:11.34 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: mutt only knows which places to check for new mail if you configure it so, and it will only check them when started, yes. |
| 22:11.37 | Titan8990 | [sr]: no |
| 22:11.58 | [sr] | Titan8990 ops, the only way to disable it is uninstall udev? |
| 22:12.06 | Titan8990 | [sr]: you can't uninstall udev |
| 22:12.09 | kurkale6ka | jelly-home: ok, thx |
| 22:12.09 | jelly-home | kurkale6ka: there are other tools used for general notification of new mail. apt-cache search biff |
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| 22:12.29 | vlt | Titan8990: No, there's onyl one partition. It should be asimple task: Install grub to the MBR of a device and point it to the first (and only) partition to load /boot/grub/menu.lst from there ... hmmm |
| 22:12.35 | [sr] | Titan8990 ya... i need it, but i like to have control on my eth ifaces |
| 22:12.39 | vlt | s/onyl/only/ |
| 22:12.56 | Titan8990 | [sr]: they shouldn't change aside for say, a udev upgrade |
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| 22:13.05 | Titan8990 | or I suppose if an interface is removable |
| 22:13.09 | mezod | imagine i have a user called "mezod" which should have all permissions on /var/www , then a user called "pxc" which should have all permissions on /var/www/PXC and then www-data. How should i give permissions to those 2 folders? at the moment i have: /var/www/ mezod:www-data and /var/www/PXC pxc:www-data but mezod cant work on /var/www/PXC. |
| 22:13.47 | [sr] | Titan8990 ya... only on new eth ifaces... i've noticed that |
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| 22:13.52 | Titan8990 | mezod: you want ACLs, not a unix perms |
| 22:14.01 | [sr] | Titan8990 even an alias when loading the module, won't work on it right? |
| 22:14.32 | Titan8990 | [sr]: no idea |
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| 22:15.20 | [sr] | Titan8990 ok never mind, i'll solve the question this way, no problem at all! merci :P |
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| 22:16.03 | Titan8990 | mezod: http://acl.bestbits.at/man/man.shtml the ACL "utilities" are the only that apply to you |
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| 22:16.47 | mezod | Titan8990 i see, thanks |
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| 22:20.14 | roland- | hello, does anyone have any experience with ibm blade centers? I have some questions please |
| 22:21.00 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 22:21.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:21.37 | Titan8990 | vlt: I am out of ideas. I would ask ##xen, to make sure it doesn't have anything to do with it being a domU |
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| 22:23.03 | vlt | Titan8990: I just found http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg56616.html where someone creates a fresh /dev/hda in the chroot using the major/minor values of a kpartx'd block device ... |
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| 22:44.35 | Tortel | I need a working alternative to getty for sid. fgetty is broken, mingetty doesnt do anything, ngetty doesnt work right |
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| 22:45.19 | mischief | Tortel, and why isnt getty working? |
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| 22:45.57 | Tortel | I have no idea. All my terms went away. Could it be due to me romoving hal? |
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| 22:46.04 | Titan8990 | if its all broken then sid is working as expected |
| 22:46.20 | vlt | Titan8990: This worked. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:46.34 | Titan8990 | vlt: what worked exactly? going to ##xen? |
| 22:46.49 | Titan8990 | vlt: ah, the mailing list thread? |
| 22:46.56 | Tortel | fgetty is broken due to some encryption probelms, and lack of upstream support :/ |
| 22:47.04 | vlt | Titan8990: Using kpartx and mknod and then chroot |
| 22:47.09 | vlt | Titan8990: Yes, |
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| 23:20.39 | Jusic | Hi, i did read in a tutorial that "apt-get install -t testing <packet>" should automatically find and install depencies but it does not for me |
| 23:20.47 | Jusic | what i wrong? http://paste.debian.net/70941/ |
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| 23:21.27 | abrotman | Jusic: errors in english are better |
| 23:21.55 | abrotman | and you should probably try using aptitude .. and mixing stable with testing/unstable usually leads to breakage |
| 23:22.24 | karsten | In Lenny: to enable rgb sub-pixel anti-aliasing, symlink ../conf.avail/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf from /etc/fonts/conf.d ? |
| 23:22.25 | Jusic | yes probably but what I try todo still should work |
| 23:22.37 | icebrain | Jusic: to get it in English you just need to run it with LANG=C before the command, afaik |
| 23:22.47 | Vasistha | Jusic: do you have testing sources in your sources.list? |
| 23:22.47 | icebrain | at least it works for me |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | Jusic: use aptitude .. get the error in english |
| 23:23.07 | abrotman | apt-get sucks at trrying to figure out problems and just gives up |
| 23:23.13 | Jusic | the error message says deluge: depence on: deluge-gtk (= 1.2.3-1) |
| 23:23.17 | Jusic | E: Broken Package |
| 23:23.22 | Jusic | Vasistha: yes |
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| 23:24.16 | Jusic | but normaly it should just install deluge-gtk too automatically |
| 23:24.52 | themill | Jusic: that package is not installable, however. |
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| 23:26.01 | Jusic | why not? when i try: apt-get install -t testing deluge deluge-gtk it says deluge-gtk: depence on: notification-daemon |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 23:26.40 | Jusic | then i did tryt: apt-get install -t testing deluge deluge-gtk notification-daemon and it says notification-daemon: depence on: libwnck22 |
| 23:26.54 | Jusic | normaly it should install all this automatically too |
| 23:26.57 | abrotman | or keep trying with apt-get .. |
| 23:27.06 | Jusic | why not i like it |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 23:28.20 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 23:28.26 | themill | Jusic: (a) use aptitude, it gives better error messages and solves these problems better, (b) don't mix stable and testing, you are going to break your installation in all sorts of ways you don't realise. |
| 23:29.07 | abrotman | and isn't deluge just a crappy kde torrent client ? and there are like 10 other torrent clients in lenny ? |
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| 23:29.11 | boodu | hello |
| 23:29.11 | Jusic | It is very hard to change when you used apt-get for years |
| 23:29.25 | abrotman | so change now |
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| 23:29.42 | Jusic | Deluge is not designed for any one desktop environment and will work just fine in GNOME, KDE, XFCE and others. |
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| 23:29.54 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | gtk, kde.. whatever :) |
| 23:30.01 | Jusic | it has a webui and console mode too |
| 23:30.06 | hatter__ | is there a time where you would use apt-get instead of aptitude ? |
| 23:30.09 | abrotman | judd: versions deluge |
| 23:30.09 | jalalsfs | Can I help me? |
| 23:30.11 | judd | deluge -- sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | hatter__: building from source isn't possible with apt-get yet |
| 23:30.29 | abrotman | jalalsfs: just ask your real question |
| 23:30.56 | jalalsfs | I want fast mirror |
| 23:30.57 | xuser | hatter__: apt-get source :) |
| 23:31.17 | abrotman | jalalsfs: apt-spy |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | !tell jalalsfs about apt-spy |
| 23:31.24 | dondelelcaro | jalalsfs: see apt-spy or similar, or /msg dpkg mirrors; and locate one near you |
| 23:31.52 | jalalsfs | abrotman> install apt-spy |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | read what the bot told you |
| 23:32.11 | abrotman | wonders if the bot should also mention netselect-apt |
| 23:32.13 | Jusic | holy shit aptitude install -t testing deluge is crazy |
| 23:32.33 | themill | Jusic: no, you are crazy for mixing testing and stable. |
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| 23:33.03 | Jusic | whats the alternative full testing update? |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | or building your own backports |
| 23:33.25 | themill | Jusic: that, or try to convert the packaging to be suitable for lenny. |
| 23:33.31 | Vasistha | !tell Jusic about ssb |
| 23:33.43 | Jusic | hm nice bot |
| 23:33.47 | themill | (nothing "simple" about that backport) |
| 23:33.58 | Vasistha | oh. well. you're screwed, then. |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | or get another torrent client ? |
| 23:34.34 | jalalsfs | How I know that fast mirror after I installed apt-spy? |
| 23:34.36 | abrotman | isn't that other web one in backports.org ? |
| 23:34.38 | themill | Vasistha: not if you're prepared to redo the packaging for python2.5 rather than python2.6... |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | jalalsfs: see what the bot already told you in msg |
| 23:34.49 | Jusic | i'm using rtorrent atm but it crashes pretty often |
| 23:35.42 | Vasistha | themill: well, I was kinda speaking specifically rather than generally -- I was making an assumption... I think it's a fair one, based on prior interaction |
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| 23:35.59 | themill | Vasistha: quite :) |
| 23:36.45 | jalalsfs | When I press apt-get install aria2 that's problem |
| 23:37.09 | Jusic | the special thing about deluge is that i can run as a daemon and the gui runs on another system |
| 23:37.36 | abrotman | thing about deluge, it's really not going to want to install on stable ... |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | jalalsfs: use a pastebin |
| 23:38.02 | jalalsfs | Ok |
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| 23:38.21 | jalalsfs | Where |
| 23:38.23 | jalalsfs | ?/ |
| 23:38.26 | demeter | why are my greys flickering |
| 23:38.28 | demeter | on my laptop |
| 23:38.29 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 23:39.59 | demeter | hi, my screen is flickering under debian which i'm using on my laptop. |
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| 23:40.19 | jalalsfs | <abrotman> Where I can past that? |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 23:41.50 | jalalsfs | <abrotman> http://paste.debian.net/70946/ |
| 23:43.49 | abrotman | jalalsfs: try with aptitude ? |
| 23:44.24 | jalalsfs | What the aptitude? |
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| 23:47.35 | Vasistha | demeter: it only flickers when using debian, and doesn't flicker when using another OS? |
| 23:47.43 | Titan8990 | !aptitude |
| 23:47.44 | dpkg | [aptitude] a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | jalalsfs: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 23:48.24 | abrotman | jalalsfs: aptitude update && aptitude install aria2 |
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| 23:50.00 | abrotman | though that version of that library isn't currently in any version of debian |
| 23:50.03 | demeter | Vasistha: idk, havent checked |
| 23:50.17 | tryggvib | Hello... I'm having some trouble with locales. Running dpkg-reconfigure locales gives me: Use of uninitialized value $Text::WrapI18N::charmap in pattern match (m//) undtil it runs out of memory... anybody know what's going on? |
| 23:50.41 | Vasistha | demeter: what are you running? does it flicker from the time it boots up? On the grub menu? On the virtual terminal? Only in X? |
| 23:50.41 | Jusic | !why not aptitude |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 23:50.54 | Vasistha | !tell Jusic about msg the bot |
| 23:51.08 | Jusic | sorry |
| 23:51.26 | demeter | Vasistha: only in X on grey colors |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | Jusic: in most cases, you sohuld use aptitude |
| 23:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | Jusic: Don't sweat it, some guys are a bit too touchy about it. Users often benefit from seeing someone else's factoid. |
| 23:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | Jusic: If you're doing extensive exploration, /msg or visit the web page, but there's on harm in one or two factoids. |
| 23:52.29 | Titan8990 | only cool package manager front-ends include minesweeper |
| 23:53.01 | Jusic | aptitude includes minesweeper? oO |
| 23:53.15 | Vasistha | demeter: okay, there we go ... perhaps you are runnin gwith a low color depth and there is dithering |
| 23:54.18 | Vasistha | Jusic: yeah, no need to apologize, I shoulda let it go until you sat there and queried 5 of them :) |
| 23:55.49 | Titan8990 | Jusic: yes, in the interactive mode |
| 23:56.51 | Jusic | hm i dont realy understand how to controlle the interactive mode. however i will stick to the text only mode |
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| 23:58.29 | Vasistha | Jusic: interactive mode is pretty easy, actually. It takes a little training but the learning curve is not steep and it's well worth the effort |
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| 23:59.05 | Titan8990 | who needs interactive mode when there is the bash-completion package? |
| 23:59.37 | Vasistha | it's easier to do multiple actions in interactive mode, without needing to repeatedly reload the tree |
