| 00:00.35 | Sarago | can I use the dd program to save the contents of a usb stick to an img file? |
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| 00:00.56 | Sarago | I've tried googling, but can't find a instructions to do this |
| 00:01.04 | woodgrain | !abrotman |
| 00:01.04 | dpkg | i heard abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 00:01.15 | woodgrain | !upgrad |
| 00:01.21 | woodgrain | !upgade |
| 00:02.01 | KB1JWQ | !upgrade |
| 00:02.01 | dpkg | it has been said that upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 00:02.03 | KB1JWQ | Spelling matters. |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | woodgrain: msg the bot |
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| 00:04.25 | itchi | hi abrotman, still at Debian :-) How many ages are you now "on" Debian!? |
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| 00:04.49 | itchi | almost 5 years you hang here i think |
| 00:04.58 | itchi | cool :-) |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | more than that |
| 00:05.44 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, you become old man!!! :-) me to but ... :-p |
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| 00:10.09 | shingouz | Sarago: yes you can. basically dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/location/of/output. you may have to do this as root, you also should check the dd manpage for more info |
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| 00:23.57 | Ungy | I am stuck I am getting this error from aptitude fullupgrade Failed to fetch http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/pool/main/c/cheese/cheese_2.28.1-1+b1_i386.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 00:24.26 | Ungy | can I skip it some how with aptitude? |
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| 00:26.12 | abrotman | Ungy: did you aptitude update first ? |
| 00:26.19 | abrotman | or try another mirror |
| 00:26.21 | Ungy | abrotman yes I did |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | both ? |
| 00:26.37 | Ungy | abrotman I was thinking that |
| 00:26.44 | Ungy | sorry was sayign yes to the upgrade |
| 00:26.59 | Ungy | should I use us.debian? |
| 00:28.10 | Ungy | abrotman, I forgot how to get the list of mirrors ;-( |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | pick one near you |
| 00:28.42 | Ungy | thanks that was too simple |
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| 00:31.35 | Ungy | abrotman when I pick another one should I comment out the yorku one? |
| 00:31.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:31.52 | Ungy | OK thanks |
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| 00:33.29 | Ungy | Looks like the mirror I was using was far behind ;-) |
| 00:34.35 | Ungy | abrotman I have to say you truly do rock I mean over the last 7 years you have answered a crap load of my questions |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | a crap load? |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | goes to wash his hands |
| 00:35.05 | Ungy | ;-) |
| 00:35.19 | itchi | abrotman: You should create a paypal donation account! |
| 00:35.29 | Ungy | abrotman please do |
| 00:35.33 | itchi | for all that support heh |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | anyone can donate to SPI and name Debian |
| 00:35.52 | itchi | abrotman: We talk about you heh |
| 00:35.58 | itchi | not SPI nor Debian |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | or you could donate to freenode |
| 00:36.24 | Ungy | exactly I donate to Debian |
| 00:36.34 | Ungy | hmm never thought of that |
| 00:36.43 | itchi | Yeah, Freenode didn't get any cent of me yet :-s |
| 00:37.36 | Ungy | Every time I come and ask a question I feel the need to go hang out in other channels where I am competent so I can answer some |
| 00:38.25 | Ungy | speaking of which better get to it I think it will be #mysql today |
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| 00:52.41 | simonrvn | yorku unfortunately lags a lot and fairly often has issues that way |
| 00:53.51 | Ungy | simonrvn, thanks for the info I have removed it |
| 00:54.05 | simonrvn | np |
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| 01:09.28 | K`zan | Hello All, I am having a problem with utube videos giving no audio in iceweasel when running as a non-root user. Running as root, the audio is there. All other media apps work fine with no problems. Googled for hours and tried a lot of it with no results :-(. Debian 5 / KDE 3.5 / iceweasel / adobe flash player 10 (reinstalled - no improvement). Any thoughts *greatly* appreciated! |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | is your user in the audio group ? |
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| 01:20.33 | adamska | hello for example i want to know from what package come the binary "echo" how can i find the package? |
| 01:20.55 | dondelelcaro | adamska: dpkg -S bin/echo |
| 01:21.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell adamska -about search |
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| 01:21.16 | dondelelcaro | adamska: though echo is almost always a shell builtin. |
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| 01:22.03 | adamska | yes it s come with coreutils package |
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| 01:22.35 | dondelelcaro | adamska: so that's where /bin/echo is located. |
| 01:23.02 | \amethyst | type echo will tell you what is run when you use the command 'echo' in your shell |
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| 01:28.20 | adamska | humm |
| 01:28.31 | adamska | how can i know in which distrib i am |
| 01:28.43 | adamska | if i am on testing, lenny or sid? |
| 01:29.00 | adamska | my /etc/apt/sources |
| 01:29.14 | adamska | my file /etc/apt/sources.list is really ugly |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | adamska: uname -r ; dpkg -l libc6 .. is a decent start |
| 01:29.39 | jm | /etc/debian_version is the standard file for reading that |
| 01:29.52 | adamska | jm, 5.0.3 |
| 01:30.45 | adamska | humm really ugly |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | what is uname -r ? |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | you can put the sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 01:32.41 | adamska | http://pastebin.com/qhY5jKCX |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | when is the last time you did a system update ? |
| 01:34.23 | adamska | abrotman, since a long time |
| 01:34.29 | adamska | abrotman, lot of things are break |
| 01:34.33 | adamska | abrotman, i am on an eeepc |
| 01:34.43 | adamska | abrotman, i really want to start with a decent distribution |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | adamska: you might be able to change it all to 'lenny' and keep it working |
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| 01:34.54 | adamska | abrotman, lenny then? |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 01:34.55 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 01:36.20 | adamska | abrotman, sid or lenny ? |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | definitely not sid |
| 01:36.53 | itchi | adamska: I'm running lenny fine on the eeepc |
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| 01:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does that sources.list give you 5.0.3 in debian_version? |
| 01:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean |
| 01:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | EVER? |
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| 01:46.01 | abrotman | if you haven't updated in ages |
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| 02:03.19 | adamska | i am trying now to download the nmap source code with apt-get source nmap |
| 02:03.42 | adamska | but i have the following error: E: Unable to find a source package for nmap |
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| 02:04.55 | adamska | my /etc/apt/sources.list is on http://pastebin.com/UcJzy2b0 |
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| 02:06.21 | abrotman | where are your main sourceS? |
| 02:07.24 | adamska | abrotman, sorry i don t understand |
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| 02:08.39 | Scramblejams | Hi all. I have a Lenny system with a particular package that I do not want to upgrade, even though a newer version is available in the repository. I know there's a way to tell the system to leave a particular package out of the apt-get upgrade hit list, but I don't remember how to do it. Any help appreciated. |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | !tell Scramblejams about hold |
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| 02:09.31 | Scramblejams | Ah. So, like: echo "package_name hold"|dpkg --set-selections |
| 02:11.06 | Scramblejams | Ah ha! So now the packages shows up in the "kept back" section. That should do it. Thanks! |
| 02:12.45 | adamska | abrotman, where is my main source then? |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | you don't hve one .. compare your last paste to your previous one |
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| 02:13.23 | adamska | abrotman, it s not deb-src http://eeepc.debian.net/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 02:13.30 | adamska | deb-src http://eeepc.debian.net/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 02:16.54 | adamska | abrotman, ok i understand the eeepc source port don t have all the source |
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| 02:17.18 | adamska | abrotman, adding the official source repo i can download source package now thanks |
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| 02:25.30 | Efreak | I'm compiling eggdrop from source on ubuntu-server 9.10, and I'd like to make it a global install. can anyone tell me what values I should use for prefix, eprefix, bindir, sbindir, libexecdir, datadir, sysconfdir, sharedstatedir, libdir, includedir, oldincludedir, infodir, and mandir? |
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| 02:26.35 | simonrvn | ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:26.42 | ApEtc | !ubuntu |
| 02:26.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 02:27.39 | Efreak | I know this, but afaid, the directories should be the same, shouldn't they? |
| 02:27.45 | lucid_lynx | lucid release aayo? |
| 02:27.47 | Efreak | and yes, I've asked in #ubuntu, but nobody answered |
| 02:27.52 | simonrvn | ask in #ubuntu |
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| 02:29.01 | simonrvn | !tell soonyum_ -about selftell |
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| 02:33.41 | Tatsh | i have libboost-dev installed but there is no <boost/make_shared.hpp>; trying to compile a source that references it |
| 02:33.46 | Tatsh | anyone know what package owns this file? |
| 02:34.05 | simonrvn | !search |
| 02:34.06 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 02:34.17 | newsense | Tatsh: can always do dpkg -S file |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | which only works if the file is installed |
| 02:34.44 | Tatsh | well i use gentoo on my machine :) |
| 02:34.45 | newsense | yeah |
| 02:34.48 | Tatsh | this is a webserver i'm doing |
| 02:35.00 | \amethyst | Tatsh: you need a newer version of boost |
| 02:35.34 | \amethyst | Tatsh: hm.. |
| 02:36.09 | Tatsh | well it's still not there after sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | Tatsh: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 02:36.40 | Tatsh | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 02:36.43 | \amethyst | Tatsh: it's in libboost1.40-dev (squeeze) but not libboost1.35-dev (lenny) |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | backports ? |
| 02:37.08 | Tatsh | possible to get that version still? |
| 02:37.17 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 02:37.22 | \amethyst | it's in backports |
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| 02:37.27 | \amethyst | ,version libboost1.40-dev |
| 02:37.30 | \amethyst | ,versions libboost1.40-dev |
| 02:37.31 | judd | libboost1.40-dev -- lenny-backports: 1.40.0-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1.40.0-6+b1; squeeze: 1.40.0-6+b1 |
| 02:37.39 | \amethyst | !bpo |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 02:37.58 | \amethyst | oh, that's old isn't it |
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| 02:38.15 | simonrvn | seems it was updated recently |
| 02:38.28 | simonrvn | that deb.li thing |
| 02:39.19 | \amethyst | aha, I see... I was thinking the packages were on debian.org, but no, that's just the package page |
| 02:40.01 | Tatsh | i'm not as familiar with dpkg as i once was (ubuntu) |
| 02:40.14 | Tatsh | how do i avoid this? |
| 02:40.14 | Tatsh | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 02:40.33 | simonrvn | add the key. nothing to do with dpkg. |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | Tatsh: read the instructions at that website |
| 02:44.56 | Tatsh | ok, i added the line |
| 02:45.26 | Tatsh | and i tried to install libboost-dev with sudo apt-get install -t lenny-backports libboost-dev |
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| 02:46.34 | \amethyst | Tatsh: libboost1.40-dev |
| 02:46.47 | \amethyst | Tatsh: I don't think they backported the metapackage |
| 02:46.54 | Tatsh | nope |
| 02:47.07 | Tatsh | and the all-dev doesn't work either (unmet deps) |
| 02:47.20 | Tatsh | ok yay |
| 02:47.23 | Tatsh | the app builds |
| 02:47.39 | Tatsh | thanks |
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| 02:58.28 | DanDare | My httpd.conf is blank. This is specific for apache2 in Lenny? Or just usual for apache2 anywhere ? |
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| 03:00.59 | \amethyst | DanDare: yes, the config is split up |
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| 03:01.43 | \amethyst | DanDare: mods-enabled/ sites-enabled/ conf.d/ apache2.conf ports.conf |
| 03:02.15 | \amethyst | DanDare: apache2.conf is the main one, but usually there's no need to change that one |
| 03:02.56 | \amethyst | DanDare: instead you'd do the config per site in files in sites-available/, then a2ensite that site to symlink it into sites-enabled |
| 03:03.06 | \amethyst | DanDare: to enable modules, a2enmod |
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| 03:04.38 | \amethyst | DanDare: this is all described in more detail in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 03:12.11 | jonathanpoon | hey guys...is there a way to change the way SATA drives are enumerated? Which BIOS options are related to changing the way the devices are initialized? |
| 03:12.41 | jonathanpoon | I currently have 2 SATA PCI-express controller cards along with the built-in SATA controllers on the motherboard |
| 03:12.41 | Juzzy | sure, plug them into the bus in a different order ;) |
| 03:13.04 | jonathanpoon | for some reason, the PCI-E devices are inialized first |
| 03:13.04 | DanDare | nice \amethyst thanks |
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| 03:15.32 | DanDare | Im getting the warn message "namevirtualhost *:80 has no virtualhosts" so i just commented the line "# namevirtualhost *:80" in '/etc/apache2/ports.conf' and no more warning messages. It may be good this way ? |
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| 03:16.29 | carlosf | DanDare it could have been an unncommented example line. Thus being uncompleted conf line |
| 03:16.54 | \amethyst | DanDare: usually the sites in sites-enabled/ would be virtualhosts |
| 03:17.25 | \amethyst | DanDare: if yours isn't, you can comment it out, but then you might have problems enabling a second site |
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| 03:18.05 | DanDare | i dont have 'default' server enabled, just one virtual i created.. and just this one enabled |
| 03:19.07 | DanDare | well, will create one more virtual server to test if apache can distinguish between them |
| 03:19.38 | \amethyst | DanDare: are you doing name-based, or port/IP-based, virtual hosting? |
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| 03:20.56 | DanDare | \amethyst, name based |
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| 03:21.23 | Luyza | Oi, anyone use Nautilus in List View? Is it possible to remove the "expand" arrows to the left of folders? |
| 03:21.28 | \amethyst | DanDare: then you do want namevirtualhost *:80 |
| 03:21.41 | DanDare | \amethyst, int the ports.conf you mean ? |
| 03:22.01 | \amethyst | DanDare: and inside your <VirtualHost>s you have ServerName www.company.com and ServerAlias company.com |
| 03:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jonathanpoon, did you look in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules? |
| 03:22.20 | \amethyst | DanDare: somewhere; I believe ports.conf is the usual place |
| 03:22.27 | DanDare | ok, allright |
| 03:22.52 | jonathanpoon | CutMeOwnThroat: this is when I am installing the system...the hard drives conntected to the PCI-E devices are listed from sda-sde and the hard drives connectted to the motharboard are sdf-sdg |
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| 03:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | why does it matter, anyway |
| 03:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask the real question |
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| 03:25.57 | DanDare | Oh well nice. I did back uncommented "namevirtualhost *:80" in ports.conf and changed "<VirtualHost *>" to "<VirtualHost *:80>" in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/mysite and no warning messages anymore |
| 03:27.12 | jonathanpoon | bios won't boot unless its /dev/sda |
| 03:27.20 | jonathanpoon | bios won't find the correct drive to boot I mean |
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| 03:30.32 | smacnay | I am getting hash sum mismatches on my updates in sid. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 03:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jonathanpoon, well, you could put http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html on the first disk |
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| 03:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, wait for the mirror to fully sync? |
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| 03:33.43 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks - does it take more than a day? |
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| 03:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... you can try different mirrors |
| 03:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not, else you'd see this more often |
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| 03:35.13 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks again - been getting the errors since last night I think |
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| 03:35.46 | FDfh | does anyone know how to set up multiple monitors in lenny? currently both are working, but not seperate desktops, just mirrors of eachother |
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| 03:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dual monitor |
| 03:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg? |
| 03:36.53 | DanDare | FDfh, im not sure.. last time i checked for Nvidia it was driver specific configuration set in the X11 configuration... not anything to change in a live X11 session... but this was some years ago |
| 03:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you ok? |
| 03:37.02 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 03:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 03:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dual monitors |
| 03:37.10 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <xrandr>. |
| 03:37.38 | FDfh | hm, i've been using xrandr (xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x1024 --pos 0x0 --output LVSD --mode 1400x1050 --pos 0x998) |
| 03:37.56 | FDfh | doesn't make each monitor a separate desktop though |
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| 03:38.19 | eyzn | hey there, i want to install latest pandoc via apt, `cat /etc/debian_version` tells me squeeze/sid --- http://packages.debian.org/sid/pandoc says 1.5.1.1-3 but all i get with apt-get install is pandoc 0.46 --- how can i get 1.5.1? |
| 03:38.28 | DanDare | FDfh, you mean you're getting just a mirror screen |
| 03:38.44 | DanDare | *?* |
| 03:39.12 | FDfh | DanDare: both monitors are showing the same thing; exact copies of eachother, rather than separate desktops I can drag windows onto |
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| 03:40.07 | FDfh | (dunno if that makes any sense, I'm tired though :P) |
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| 03:41.51 | DanDare | it makes sense.. I just havent any clue :) |
| 03:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | FDfh, check the output names? |
| 03:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | LVSD? Shouldn't it (if that's the name at all) be LVDS "Low-voltage differential signaling"? |
| 03:42.45 | FDfh | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/6W3mVACi |
| 03:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you pasted LVSD |
| 03:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <FDfh> hm, i've been using xrandr (xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x1024 --pos 0x0 --output LVSD --mode 1400x1050 --pos 0x998) |
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| 03:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 03:55.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 03:56.33 | K`zan | Hello All, I am having a problem with utube videos giving no audio in iceweasel when running as a non-root user. Running as root, the audio is there. All other media apps work fine with no problems. Googled for hours and tried a lot of it with no results :-(. Debian 5 / KDE 3.5 / iceweasel / adobe flash player 10 (reinstalled - no improvement). Any thoughts *greatly* appreciated! |
| 03:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked that an hour ago! |
| 03:57.39 | K`zan | THought it was longer than that. |
| 03:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman asked you back and you never reacted |
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| 03:58.25 | K`zan | Must have missed that :-( |
| 03:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't be, my feeble memory doesn't extend more than one hour |
| 03:58.39 | Bop | its only at flash , K`zan ? |
| 03:58.40 | K`zan | LOL |
| 03:59.16 | K`zan | Bop, yes. All other media works fine (with the exception of mplayer and memcoder which have been broken for ages). |
| 04:00.22 | Bop | are u using the latest plugin ? |
| 04:00.26 | Bop | r45 i think |
| 04:00.54 | K`zan | Bop, yes, uninstalled what I had got the latest from adobe and reinstalled it late yesterday. |
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| 04:01.21 | K`zan | It does work if I run iceweasel as root, which I would really rather NOT do :0. |
| 04:01.47 | Bop | and as told yesterday , u'r in audio group |
| 04:02.08 | K`zan | Yes, am ,29(audio) |
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| 04:02.42 | Bop | have u runned firefox on console to check if it delivers some error ? |
| 04:02.46 | CultOfTheGlenda | anyone here good at sed? |
| 04:03.27 | K`zan | No, but I can. Also exhausted all the options in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
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| 04:05.19 | soonyum_ | K`zan: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 04:05.32 | K`zan | soonyum_: ALSA here. |
| 04:07.15 | K`zan | RUnning iceweasel from console and starting a flash (utube) video running I get a PILE of alsa errors (repeating) that end with with: ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plughw:0,0 (typed it right, checked twice :). |
| 04:08.15 | K`zan | Obviously(?) the install sets something either in the wrong place or only accessable by root. THat is gonna be a party to track down. |
| 04:09.06 | Bop | K`zan, 32 or 64 bits ? |
| 04:09.31 | K`zan | 32: Linux nimitz 2.6.26-v1 #2 SMP PREEMPT Wed Feb 25 20:43:00 PST 2009 i686 GNU/Linu |
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| 04:13.18 | Bop | K`zan, debian lenny ? |
| 04:13.38 | K`zan | I think so. Lemme check - Deb 5 but.. |
| 04:14.01 | K`zan | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (lenny) |
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| 04:16.08 | pjoshi | can someone help me download module ip_gre |
| 04:16.19 | pjoshi | ip_gre.ko |
| 04:16.46 | K`zan | Bop: Errands call here, if you have something for me please prefix with my nic? Back as soon as I can. |
| 04:22.04 | karlpinc | pjoshi: It isn't in your installed linux-image-* package? What linux-image do you have installed? |
| 04:22.32 | pjoshi | it is customized kernel by my manager |
| 04:22.44 | pjoshi | I've installed the kernel through aptitude |
| 04:23.16 | pjoshi | manager has uploaded the customize kernel to our repository. |
| 04:23.40 | aburch | pjoshi: Then ask your manager if your kernel contains the module and to add it if it does not do so. |
| 04:23.42 | karlpinc | pjoshi: You could build your own kernel based on his that includes the module. |
| 04:24.02 | karlpinc | !make-kpkg |
| 04:24.03 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 04:26.06 | pjoshi | :~# modprobe ip_gre iptunnel add wccp0 mode gre remote SQUID-EXT-IP local SQUID-IP dev eth0 |
| 04:26.06 | pjoshi | FATAL: Error inserting ip_gre (/lib/modules/2.6.18.2-server-cust/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 04:27.54 | aburch | pjoshi: If you enter random commands it is expected to fail... Setting up the tunnel is done in a seperate command, not in a parameter do modprobe. |
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| 04:28.34 | pjoshi | is my command wrong ? |
| 04:28.45 | pjoshi | I |
| 04:29.07 | pjoshi | I'm following this url http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/Intercept/CiscoAsaWccp2 |
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| 04:29.43 | Bop | lol pjoshi |
| 04:30.03 | pjoshi | Bop ? |
| 04:30.08 | Bop | SQUID-EXT-IP and SQUID-IP are values to substitute for actual ips |
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| 04:30.23 | Bop | not to use them literaly |
| 04:30.48 | pjoshi | :) I know that i can't display my network |
| 04:31.10 | aburch | pjoshi: Probably modprobe ip_gre; ip tunnel ... |
| 04:31.34 | Bop | pjoshi, what u want to do ? |
| 04:31.48 | pjoshi | i need ip_gre.ko module |
| 04:32.17 | Bop | modprobe ip_gre , works ? |
| 04:32.46 | pjoshi | i get error FATAL: Error inserting ip_gre (/lib/modules/2.6.18.2-server-cust/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 04:32.56 | Bop | check dmesg then |
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| 04:34.24 | pjoshi | #dmesg |grep -i ip_gre |
| 04:34.24 | pjoshi | ip_gre: Unknown parameter `iptunnel' |
| 04:35.18 | Bop | right |
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| 04:35.38 | Bop | modprobe ip_gre |
| 04:35.55 | Bop | then run the iptunnel bla bla |
| 04:36.41 | pjoshi | cool.. let me try... thanks for your help buddy.. |
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| 04:38.35 | pjoshi | hey Bop.. its done |
| 04:38.37 | pjoshi | # lsmod |
| 04:38.38 | pjoshi | Module Size Used by |
| 04:38.38 | pjoshi | ip_gre 12448 0 |
| 04:38.47 | pjoshi | thank you.. |
| 04:39.04 | Bop | aburch, already told that |
| 04:39.12 | Bop | u just didnt follow |
| 04:39.15 | Bop | :) |
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| 05:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if there's a way to prohibit sound in flash |
| 05:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | temporarily |
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| 05:13.57 | robertzaccour | hey dpkg is pretty cool for a bot |
| 05:14.09 | robertzaccour | i've heard about squeeze, didn't see it on the site though |
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| 05:24.15 | remote | hello |
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| 05:34.47 | niklaswe | does someone has any ide about this problem.. my server failed to check the hostname --fqdn randomly.. |
| 05:34.59 | niklaswe | about 9 times of 10 it works.. |
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| 05:37.24 | remote | niklaswe, all hostname -fqdn does is read /etc/hosts |
| 05:37.52 | remote | well i only had a quick look at strace |
| 05:37.54 | remote | what else does it do? |
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| 05:38.49 | niklaswe | remote: no it doesnt read fomr /etc/hosts |
| 05:39.24 | remote | yes it does |
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| 05:40.56 | niklaswe | remote: but its really hard check with strace.. beacurse it running in a script.. |
| 05:41.29 | remote | niklaswe, it opens in order, resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf, host.conf and hosts |
| 05:41.48 | remote | niklaswe, how is it harder to run strace in a script than it is in a console? |
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| 05:42.10 | xerophyte | how can i install 2.6.32-10 on lenny .. i have xen domU hanging issue on the 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 and bug reports says its been fixed on 2.6.32-10.. just wondeirng how can i get hold of 2.6.32-10 |
| 05:42.13 | remote | heck, run it manually 10 times and you'll catch 1 failure |
| 05:42.14 | xerophyte | ? |
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| 05:42.55 | niklaswe | remote: I will look with strace and see if i find something |
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| 05:43.49 | remote | xerophyte, i dont see a 2.6.32-10 package on squeeze |
| 05:44.01 | remote | xerophyte, did you try to find one? |
| 05:44.50 | xerophyte | nope |
| 05:45.02 | xerophyte | some people seems to run on lenny may its in the backport |
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| 05:58.26 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i have just configured amavis... on debian.. the mails sent to gmail.com from my network are being marked as SPAM by amavis... i am not able to figure out how to solve the problem... can anyone help me? |
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| 06:36.52 | remote | never again |
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| 06:50.54 | MoL0ToV | hi to all! howto automatically mount a %U samba share in gnome via an application launcher? |
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| 06:55.09 | MoL0ToV | something like: smb://server/$LOGNAME |
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| 07:13.26 | MoL0ToV | howto automatically mount a %U samba share in gnome via an application launcher?something like: smb://server/$LOGNAME howto put in skel autostart? |
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| 07:19.45 | DaveCass | I have a script that sometimes needs to send a command through a unix socket. I use "echo 'command' | nv -U /path/to/socket", which works the first time, but then doesn't close the nc connection, so it won't work the next time the script executes. |
| 07:20.09 | DaveCass | oops, that's "nc -U" |
| 07:20.25 | DaveCass | anyway, how do I get netcat to automatically close the connection after sending the data? |
| 07:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nc doesn't |
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| 07:20.56 | DaveCass | doesn't what? |
| 07:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | close :) |
| 07:21.11 | DaveCass | yes, I am aware ;) |
| 07:21.16 | DaveCass | that's what I'm asking |
| 07:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're sending |
| 07:21.21 | DaveCass | ya |
| 07:21.31 | DaveCass | and I don't care about received data |
| 07:21.52 | aburch | DaveCass: man nc: "after EOF on stdin, wait the specified number of seconds and then quit." |
| 07:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | my netcat doesn't have -U |
| 07:22.14 | DaveCass | really? it means to use a unix socket |
| 07:22.21 | gmatt | how do i figure out what my mic's (/dev/x) is? |
| 07:22.33 | DaveCass | aburch: I'll look for that, sec |
| 07:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
| 07:22.50 | DaveCass | aburch: but I don't want it to wait, not even 1 second |
| 07:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | netcat: invalid option -- U |
| 07:23.22 | DaveCass | CutMeOwnThroat: weird |
| 07:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this |
| 07:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what does dpkg -l netcat say |
| 07:24.08 | aburch | DaveCass: 0 seems to be valid as well. |
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| 07:24.30 | DaveCass | truth be told it's actually a gentoo system, I just wasn't getting much help in #gentoo and I figured netcat was a basic enough command to be able to get pretty universal support |
| 07:24.37 | DaveCass | aburch: cool |
| 07:24.59 | DaveCass | aburch: I can't find that in the nc man...what command is it? |
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| 07:25.12 | aburch | DaveCass: netcat. On Debian. |
| 07:25.36 | DaveCass | aburch: so... -q then, eh? |
| 07:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 07:26.05 | aburch | DaveCass: Yes. |
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| 07:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's |
| 07:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !others don't know |
| 07:26.26 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 07:26.52 | DaveCass | lol |
| 07:27.00 | DaveCass | sooorryt |
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| 07:27.21 | DaveCass | apparently I own't be bothering you any longer then? |
| 07:27.33 | DaveCass | hope I'm not banned from the channel, or from your hearts |
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| 07:28.43 | DaveCass | well..ahem..I'll be going now (nobody loves me :( ) |
| 07:28.44 | Mikaze | I have a linksys wrt54gl router connecting to my ISP via DHCP, but my puter keeps changing IP addresses from 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.1.101. How do I make Debian friggin DEMAND 192.168.1.100? |
| 07:28.50 | DaveCass | thanks anyway, ciao |
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| 07:30.10 | wols_ | Mikaze: that's a wrt problem. debian asks for a IP and uses the one its given |
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| 07:31.06 | Mikaze | Even after a complete reset back to factory defaults, it does the same. |
| 07:31.43 | wols_ | we don't support linksys routers here. all we can suggest you make sure you always have the same MAC on your interface and that's all |
| 07:31.46 | sabarish | Hi.. how do I add a repository which requires authentication in sources.list .. I tried deb https://username:password@files.repositoryur.com...." but that gives me a 401 error |
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| 07:32.51 | MartyD | Mikaze: I have the same router and also dd-wrt, but i've turned off the dhcp-server in the router instead my local net has static ip's |
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| 07:33.50 | Mikaze | Hmmm. |
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| 07:34.28 | Mikaze | Am I going to need to fill in the dns info and all that if I toggle off dhcp? |
| 07:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mikaze, why don't you set a static ip? |
| 07:35.15 | MartyD | all you gotta do is make sure they use the same subnet and set the router's ip as gateway on the clients |
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| 07:35.32 | Mikaze | In debian or in the router. It never works from within the router. |
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| 07:35.50 | rvalles | 07:28:44 < Mikaze> I have a linksys wrt54gl router connecting to my ISP via DHCP, but my puter keeps changing IP addresses from 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.1.101. How do I make Debian friggin DEMAND 192.168.1.100? |
| 07:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no need to switch dhcp off in the router - static IPs will work fine with dhcp running :) |
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| 07:36.18 | rvalles | Mikaze: just tell the wrt to assign that ip to your puter's mac. |
| 07:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course IP conflicts can happen, but normally dhcp doesnt't use the whole range |
| 07:36.24 | rvalles | Mikaze: you can hardcode those things. |
| 07:36.34 | rvalles | has it that way for his puters. |
| 07:36.52 | Mikaze | Think it's because I'm cloning my puter's mac address? |
| 07:36.53 | sabarish | anyone ? how do I enter username password for a repository (sources.list) which requires authentication ? |
| 07:36.55 | Vasistha | Mikaze: I usually use numbers less than 100 for static IP, so there are no conflicts -- e.g. my computer is at 192.168.1.33 |
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| 07:37.06 | MartyD | CutMeOwnThroat is correct, when you choose a static ip outside the router's dhcp range will also work |
| 07:37.16 | Vasistha | sabarish: that's interesting, which repo? |
| 07:37.36 | sabarish | its a clients package.. |
| 07:38.04 | Mikaze | K. Back to the grinder then. Thanks. |
| 07:38.08 | Vasistha | sabarish: maybe this will help? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/513 |
| 07:38.09 | sabarish | they have authentication enabled.. |
| 07:38.28 | sabarish | Thanks Vasistha I will read through .. thank you! |
| 07:38.38 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 07:38.38 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend. http://google.com/linux |
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| 07:39.13 | MartyD | i think dd-wrt dhcp default range starts at 192.168.1.50 up to xx.100 |
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| 07:39.53 | lgp171188 | Hello everyone, I am L.Guruprasad. I have a query regarding setting up a local debian mirror from the debian DVD iso for PXE boot and install |
| 07:40.29 | lgp171188 | I came to know that the debian dvds do not have a Release.gpg file in them |
| 07:41.14 | sabarish | Vasistha, got it .. thanks a lot! |
| 07:41.16 | lgp171188 | so I tried adding debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true to the pxelinux.cfg/default file in the append section |
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| 07:42.29 | rhavenn | after doing a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade i keep getting the following error when it tries to do it's configs: touch: setting times of `/etc/mail/tsmmta': Bad address |
| 07:42.30 | lgp171188 | but i get a bad archive mirror when i point to the repository server from apache. How could I workaround this issue? |
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| 07:42.45 | rhavenn | anyone have a clue what that is? |
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| 07:43.23 | sep | lgp171188, you migth need to use "install debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" |
| 07:43.54 | Vasistha | sep: he did that... read the history a little more :) |
| 07:44.09 | sep | he only used debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true |
| 07:44.13 | Vasistha | sep: or do you mean to say the key is starting the string with the word install |
| 07:44.19 | sep | exactly |
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| 07:45.32 | lgp171188 | Vasistha: sep: This is my append line - "append vga=normal debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true initrd=deb |
| 07:45.33 | lgp171188 | ian/lenny/i386/initrd.gz --" |
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| 07:46.28 | lgp171188 | sep: Do I need to change it to -"append vga=normal install debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true initrd=debian/lenny/i386/initrd.gz"? |
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| 07:46.45 | sep | lgp171188, let me look at my own |
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| 08:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | bidu |
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| 08:13.00 | sep | lgp171188, it was d-i not install and i set it via a file not a boot argument, so it's not compareable to you. things i find on google suggests your string should work |
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| 08:25.12 | muffin_ | Hi guys |
| 08:25.28 | muffin_ | I tried to install bootable debian image to usb drive. |
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| 08:25.44 | muffin_ | I typed "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" and it denied permission. |
| 08:25.48 | muffin_ | What is wrong here? |
| 08:25.57 | babilen | muffin_: do that as root |
| 08:26.04 | muffin_ | I typed "sudo zcat" |
| 08:26.23 | babilen | *do it as root* |
| 08:26.27 | jelly | muffin_: sudo sh -c 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb', if you MUST use sudo |
| 08:26.35 | lgp171188 | sep: how do I do that? |
| 08:26.38 | muffin_ | jelly : ok |
| 08:26.48 | jelly | muffin_: the redirection is applied in the current shell |
| 08:27.29 | sep | lgp171188, i sue preseed/url=http://host/path/to/preseed.cfg or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html |
| 08:27.51 | muffin_ | Additionally, I hesitate between Xubuntu, Kubuntu, debian, Ubuntu with respect to performance and convenience. |
| 08:28.06 | babilen | muffin_: Use Debian and be happy :) |
| 08:28.28 | lgp171188 | sep, I don't want to do preseed, so any way I can debug the 'bad archive mirror' error? |
| 08:28.41 | muffin_ | babilen : Do you have reasons? |
| 08:29.04 | jelly | !why debian |
| 08:29.04 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 08:29.16 | jelly | muffin_: use whatever works for you, and be happy |
| 08:29.17 | babilen | muffin_: How can I have reasons, if I don't know what you are going to do? But ^^^^ lists a few |
| 08:30.45 | aburch | muffin_: #debian likes Debian. #ubuntu will probably recommend using Ubuntu ;) |
| 08:30.49 | sep | lgp171188, adding a argument on the boot line is preseeding |
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| 08:32.32 | jelly | prefers using whatever works, not necessarily Debian |
| 08:32.40 | muffin_ | jelly : It works. |
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| 08:32.59 | lgp171188 | sep: I haven't read much about preseeding, will read it and see if I can use it and then get back here |
| 08:33.03 | jelly | muffin_: of course it does <g> |
| 08:33.05 | muffin_ | jelly : how does sudo sh -c work? |
| 08:33.26 | lgp171188 | sep: by the way the distro I am trying is Lenny 504 |
| 08:33.55 | babilen | muffin_: It runs the command given to -c "..." with super user privileges |
| 08:34.05 | jelly | muffin_: it runs the command sh with two parameters: ("-c", "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb"), as root. |
| 08:34.10 | muffin_ | jelly : man sh doesn't say that |
| 08:34.21 | jelly | muffin_: doesn't say what? |
| 08:34.39 | muffin_ | jelly : the "-c" option in "man sh" doesn't say about that. |
| 08:34.43 | jelly | about what? |
| 08:34.56 | muffin_ | jelly : faking a root previlege completely |
| 08:35.17 | muffin_ | jelly : I just understood it |
| 08:35.54 | jelly | muffin_: sudo is the command that gives root privileges, not sh. |
| 08:36.14 | muffin_ | jelly : It applies root privilege twice. |
| 08:36.20 | jelly | no, it doesn't |
| 08:36.21 | babilen | no |
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| 08:36.38 | jelly | muffin_: what do you think applies root privilege twice? |
| 08:36.41 | muffin_ | zcat doesn't know if it is run on a user account. |
| 08:37.02 | lgp171188 | sep: by the way, do you use debian disk image mounted as the mirror for installation without connecting to the internet? That is what I am trying to achieve |
| 08:37.08 | muffin_ | sh -c "zcat blah" makes zcat think it's run on a root account. |
| 08:37.12 | muffin_ | right? |
| 08:37.21 | sep | lgp171188, no i do not. |
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| 08:37.47 | muffin_ | On the contrary, sudo zcat itself can't fake it completely. |
| 08:37.49 | lgp171188 | sep: Then you use internet for the installation? |
| 08:37.54 | aburch | muffin_: No, it starts a shell that will run "zcat blah" |
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| 08:38.04 | sep | via apt-proxy |
| 08:38.21 | muffin_ | aburch : why do you think "sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" was denied permission? |
| 08:38.24 | sep | so i only download a package once |
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| 08:38.40 | muffin_ | I'm curious |
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| 08:38.45 | ErNci | im straight sry. |
| 08:38.59 | lgp171188 | sep: this was what i was trying to follow - http://linux.spiney.org/using_the_debian_etch_dvd_as_local_mirror |
| 08:39.20 | aburch | muffin_: Because >/dev/sdb will be handled by the current shell. sudo -c "..." leaves handling the redirection to a shell started via sudo that has more privileges. |
| 08:39.23 | sep | iv never tried that |
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| 08:39.44 | lgp171188 | sep: I was thinking like, when I have all the 5 DVD isos with me why I should connect to the internet or an apt-proxy repository for that matter |
| 08:40.03 | muffin_ | aburch : Does sudo fail to affect ">" operator? |
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| 08:40.20 | cristi8 | puttin my lenny to sleep and then wake up made my network interface not working (not transmitting / receiving) |
| 08:40.29 | aburch | muffin_: sudo does not even see it. The shell will handle it before passing arguments to sudo. |
| 08:40.50 | cristi8 | i didn't restart yet |
| 08:41.03 | muffin_ | aburch : so it's a matter of priorities of operators. |
| 08:41.23 | aburch | muffin_: "sudo cat a >/dev/b" does the following: Tell the shell to redirect output to /dev/b, then start "sudo cat a" with this redirection. |
| 08:41.31 | cristi8 | it also gave me a red notification (via libnotify i believe) about kernel-something |
| 08:41.50 | muffin_ | aburch : I got it |
| 08:41.50 | cristi8 | and it was asking if i want to submit details to a site.. |
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| 08:43.45 | cristi8 | can anyone tell me if i can recover my system (i.e. reloading some modules), or the safest way is to reboot? |
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| 08:45.38 | reber | hi. wich tool to join 2 pdf please ? |
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| 08:46.28 | lgp171188 | reber: pdktk? apt-get install pdftk |
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| 08:46.43 | muffin_ | aburch : When I type "sudo sh -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb", can /dev/sdb be a fat32 usb drive? |
| 08:46.44 | lgp171188 | reber: it is pdftk |
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| 08:47.31 | lgp171188 | muffin: It can be and /dev/sdb refers to the whole device and not the partitions and their filesystems |
| 08:49.35 | muffin_ | lgp171188 : ok |
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| 08:51.51 | nsadmin | muffin_, it won't be after you do the zcat |
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| 08:52.16 | muffin_ | nsadmin : It won't be fat32? |
| 08:52.19 | nsadmin | it will be whatever filesystem is in the .gz |
| 08:52.23 | muffin_ | oh |
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| 08:52.50 | nsadmin | which might be fat32 |
| 08:53.16 | muffin_ | nsadmin : I should check with fdisk |
| 08:53.43 | muffin_ | The behavior of zcat looks novel to me. |
| 08:53.54 | muffin_ | I had never been this close to linux |
| 08:53.57 | nsadmin | fdisk won't tell you unless the zcat also writes a partition table |
| 08:54.14 | muffin_ | nsadmin : how can I copy a iso file to the /dev/sdb1? |
| 08:54.18 | muffin_ | I mean after cat |
| 08:54.20 | muffin_ | zcat |
| 08:54.27 | nsadmin | it's uncompressing an IMAGE which it writes to the media |
| 08:54.40 | cristi8 | no one's interested in lenny's kernel issues? or suspend mode is not a supported feature? |
| 08:54.43 | TheAvatar | What can I do about this logrotate zombie process "root 30503 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Apr25 0:00 [logrotate] <defunct>". I can't just kill it |
| 08:54.51 | muffin_ | nsadmin : debian says this limits the filesystem size to 256MB. |
| 08:54.55 | muffin_ | debian manual |
| 08:55.17 | nsadmin | consider what came before this |
| 08:55.44 | nsadmin | someone made a filesystem of (how big?) 256 mb |
| 08:55.56 | nsadmin | then they (did what?) put the files in it |
| 08:56.03 | muffin_ | fdisk says this doesn't look like a partition table. |
| 08:56.45 | muffin_ | nsadmin : It now has 4 partitions according to fdisk |
| 08:56.59 | nsadmin | do they look strange? |
| 08:57.02 | muffin_ | yes |
| 08:57.13 | muffin_ | they do not end on cylinder boundaries |
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| 08:57.31 | MikeH_ | Hi guys, I have a little Revo machine that has a wireless card, however its not showing up under ifconfig |
| 08:57.44 | MikeH_ | any ideas what I need to do to configure it? It's a headless box |
| 08:58.17 | muffin_ | nsadmin : wow!!! |
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| 08:58.37 | muffin_ | nsadmin : "sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/usb" mounts a filesystem full of files on /media/usb. |
| 08:58.43 | muffin_ | this is incredible. |
| 08:59.16 | nsadmin | probably it's not a partition table, even tho fdisk tried to interpret as a partition table, the thing it found in a specific place on the disk where partition tables are normally found |
| 08:59.27 | muffin_ | nsadmin : It's vfat filesystem. |
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| 08:59.40 | nsadmin | and not in any partition? |
| 09:00.08 | muffin_ | nsadmin : linux utilities can't recognize partitions from /dev/sdb |
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| 09:00.19 | muffin_ | /dev/sdb itself is recognized as a vfat filesystem. |
| 09:00.23 | nsadmin | it's because the file you zcatted is an IMAGE of a FILESYSTEM |
| 09:00.38 | muffin_ | nsadmin : ok |
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| 09:01.12 | nsadmin | I wonder if that thing boots now |
| 09:01.30 | nsadmin | the file might also have had a boot loader |
| 09:01.31 | muffin_ | nsadmin : I think the flexible way makes a partition table. I tries the easy way. |
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| 09:01.37 | gmatt | if i want a basic install of debian, what do i download? just a minimal install... |
| 09:01.46 | muffin_ | *I treid |
| 09:01.48 | muffin_ | *I tried |
| 09:02.05 | nsadmin | gmatt: a netinst image |
| 09:02.17 | nsadmin | which you would write to a cd blank |
| 09:02.19 | nsadmin | and boot |
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| 09:03.00 | nsadmin | hmm, there are more IMAGEs floating around here than you can shake a stick at |
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| 09:03.18 | gmatt | nsadmin: does it have a wireless connection possibility? or just regular lan? |
| 09:03.18 | TheAvatar | Okay, zombie issue fixed - killed some parent processes, and it solved the issue |
| 09:03.31 | nsadmin | possibility, yes |
| 09:03.41 | nsadmin | depends on your card |
| 09:04.02 | jelly | gmatt: if your hardware requires nonfree firmware, it won't work without additional packages |
| 09:04.10 | gmatt | i am using the iwlagn driver for wifi |
| 09:04.27 | jelly | gmatt: /msg dpkg iwlagn |
| 09:04.32 | nsadmin | it would be good if you have an ethernet cable handy, it's more likely there will be drivers for it on the cd |
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| 09:05.17 | nsadmin | but if you can't configure your net early, you won't have to. just choose "leave network unconfigured" |
| 09:05.34 | jelly | gmatt: so yeah, that one won't work outof the box |
| 09:05.57 | gmatt | iwlagn wont? |
| 09:06.16 | lgp171188 | How do I do a network install using PXE boot and debian dvd isos? Is it possible? |
| 09:06.53 | lgp171188 | Without any internet connection or apt-proxy of course |
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| 09:14.27 | gmatt | okay, so hey, installing regular debian...do i have to download all of the dvds? |
| 09:15.02 | babilen | no, not at all .. Do you have network connectivity during the installation? And if yes: How do you connect? |
| 09:15.28 | gmatt | i only have wifi. pops wont let me connect directly to the router, it's at the other end of the house |
| 09:16.16 | babilen | gmatt: Read the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) - I would suggest to download the first CD with the desktop environment of your choice in that case, install from that and configure your system afterwards. |
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| 09:16.47 | gmatt | so i dont have to download all of those cds, right? just cd 1? |
| 09:16.51 | babilen | What kind of wireless adaptor do you have? Do you have the possibility to get online even if the computer you install on is not able to connect to the internet? |
| 09:17.06 | gmatt | i have intel 5100 agn |
| 09:17.17 | gmatt | ubuntu supports it right out of the install |
| 09:17.27 | gmatt | but ubuntu wont run eve online |
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| 09:17.33 | babilen | gmatt: The netinstall CD includes everything you need to install the base system, the first CD includes X and a desktop environment of your choice as well |
| 09:18.06 | gmatt | do i need to download a .deb for my wifi? or would it be included? |
| 09:18.12 | babilen | !iwl5100 |
| 09:18.12 | dpkg | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 09:19.03 | babilen | gmatt: Ok, you need a newer kernel and firmware for your wlan adaptor - Do you have another computer where you can download files once the other is installed? |
| 09:19.14 | gmatt | nope |
| 09:19.42 | gmatt | i have an external drive to save stuff on... |
| 09:20.10 | muffin_ | Wow |
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| 09:20.53 | babilen | gmatt: Alright - That is unfortunate, but not a big problem. I would suggest to download the kernel package from backports and the firmware .deb for your card. You can then install Debian using the first CD and setup your system. Put the downloaded files on some removable media and install them using "dpkg -i filename.deb" |
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| 09:21.12 | babilen | !iwlagn firmware |
| 09:21.12 | dpkg | Firmware for the Intel WiFi Link series of wireless LAN adapters is packaged in firmware-iwlwifi (non-free) since version 0.15. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo>, then "aptitude -t lenny-backports install firmware-iwlwifi". See also <iwlagn>. |
| 09:21.12 | gmatt | okay |
| 09:21.50 | babilen | gmatt: So you have to download two files from backports.org - the kernel package and firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 09:22.25 | babilen | gmatt: make sure to download the *real* kernel package and not some metapackage like linux-image-2.6-amd64 ... which architecture do you use? |
| 09:22.33 | lgp171188 | How can I create a local mirror only using the 5 debian dvds? |
| 09:22.42 | gmatt | x86_64 |
| 09:22.48 | babilen | ok, hang on |
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| 09:23.17 | babilen | gmatt: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 |
| 09:23.25 | misery | is anyone familiar with dvd-ram? |
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| 09:23.45 | babilen | gmatt: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:24.44 | babilen | gmatt: You can install these packages with "dpkg -i yadda.deb" - You might want to save a copy of http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and the debian reference somewhere |
| 09:24.58 | gmatt | ok |
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| 09:25.02 | gmatt | thx |
| 09:25.28 | babilen | gmatt: It would be much easier though if you could go somewhere where you can connect using ethernet, because you can then come here for support if something goes wrong |
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| 09:25.47 | babilen | gmatt: But give me one second ... there might be a better option, i just have to check if the firmware is included |
| 09:26.03 | gmatt | is there an "off-brand" version of debian other than ubuntu that would have this built-in? maybe... |
| 09:26.41 | babilen | !kmuto |
| 09:26.41 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 09:27.05 | babilen | gmatt: That are the stable installers with newer kernel images, but it looks as if firmware-iwlwifi is not included |
| 09:27.20 | gmatt | turd buckets |
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| 09:28.00 | babilen | gmatt: those would save you the hassle to install the kernel from backports as well, but you want that anyway in order to upgrade to newer versions anyway, which is why i suggested to install it from the backports packages from the start |
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| 09:29.02 | gmatt | aight |
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| 09:32.18 | babilen | gmatt: and the kmuto images don't include a desktop environment |
| 09:32.40 | babilen | gmatt: they are just the netinstall images with newer kernels (plus a few other goodies) |
| 09:32.51 | Breaking_Pitt | hello I can I solve this debian-files-list-in-source error? |
| 09:33.07 | babilen | gmatt: Can't you go somewhere where you can connect with ethernet? |
| 09:33.26 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: which error? did i miss something? |
| 09:33.36 | Breaking_Pitt | "debian-files-list-in-source" making a debian package |
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| 09:33.43 | Breaking_Pitt | I'm not able of solve it |
| 09:34.09 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: You are creating a Debian package and lintian complains about debian-files-list-in-source ? |
| 09:34.13 | gmatt | well, im downloading the livecd...but hey, thanks for the help |
| 09:34.31 | babilen | gmatt: No, you will not be able to install with the live cd |
| 09:34.39 | babilen | gmatt: Good luck! |
| 09:34.42 | Breaking_Pitt | yes babilen |
| 09:34.48 | Breaking_Pitt | I'm newbie creating packages |
| 09:34.51 | Breaking_Pitt | and I need some help |
| 09:34.54 | babilen | !mentors |
| 09:34.54 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 09:35.17 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net - it's the best channel for questions like that |
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| 09:37.27 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: That said: You have to make sure that your clean rule removes debian/files, because it causes problems with the autobuilders. Do you use debhelper7? |
| 09:37.38 | Breaking_Pitt | yes |
| 09:37.45 | Breaking_Pitt | I have checked the rules file |
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| 09:37.50 | Breaking_Pitt | and seems to be correct |
| 09:37.56 | Breaking_Pitt | but there is no way to avoid this error |
| 09:38.00 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: ah well, just ask the mentors ... it's the best channel |
| 09:38.02 | Breaking_Pitt | i ond't know what can I do |
| 09:38.09 | Breaking_Pitt | ok thanks for your advices babilen |
| 09:38.10 | Breaking_Pitt | ;) |
| 09:38.29 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: If there *really* is no way to get rid of that error, you can add a lintian override - but try to solve it first |
| 09:38.33 | babilen | Breaking_Pitt: good luck |
| 09:38.39 | Breaking_Pitt | thanks! |
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| 09:43.43 | anton__ | hiho |
| 09:43.51 | babilen | welcome |
| 09:46.12 | anton__ | im currenty trying to create own binary packages and distribure them in an own mini-dinstall-repository ... creating that package seems to work, ..but i someone need to create a .changes-File from it for the repository ... anyone who can provide some help here? dpkg-genchanges refuses to create one ö.ö |
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| 09:46.59 | misery | where did async go? See #flood |
| 09:47.12 | babilen | misery: http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:47.26 | misery | http://pastebin.com/4xK2FAR1 |
| 09:47.29 | misery | will that do? |
| 09:47.45 | nsadmin | will that do what? |
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| 09:49.09 | Mowee | Hi :o |
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| 09:49.29 | nsadmin | so you're asking about this async thing, does that come from the kernel if it would exist? |
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| 09:53.36 | Vicfred | hi, I used netinstall with my usb stick and it installed the grub to the usb stick, how do I install it to the hard disk? |
| 09:54.20 | babilen | update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 09:54.23 | lgp171188 | Vicfred: use a live distro and do 'grub-install' after mounting the root partition of your install |
| 09:54.38 | babilen | !tell Vicfred about fixmbr |
| 09:54.54 | nsadmin | well you'd aim the installer at the hd by configuring the partitioner to partition, format and mount partitions on the hard drive |
| 09:55.20 | nsadmin | oh, just grub? |
| 09:55.20 | Vicfred | I can log in to my debian installation if I boot the usb, I can install the grub from there right? |
| 09:55.37 | nsadmin | I believe so yes |
| 09:55.48 | babilen | Vicfred: sure, if you can log in ... |
| 09:56.09 | lgp171188 | Vicfred: debian install cd/dvd has a nice grub install option in recovery mode |
| 09:56.22 | nsadmin | the only thing you would have to watch out for is what order the bios detects the drives in and whether that affects the device.map |
| 09:56.35 | Vicfred | "grub install /dev/sda" is ok? |
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| 09:56.51 | nsadmin | like maybe it thinks your hd is hda and your stick is hdb or something like that |
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| 09:56.56 | babilen | Vicfred: yes (given that sda is the harddisk) |
| 09:57.09 | babilen | Vicfred: and it's grub-install ;) |
| 09:57.12 | lgp171188 | Vicfred: from your installation it is ok. check the hard disk name using fdisk -l |
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| 09:59.23 | Vicfred | ok it looks fine I'll reboot after a couple of things finish installing |
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| 09:59.48 | babilen | Vicfred: :) |
| 10:00.05 | Vicfred | thank you guys |
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| 10:04.33 | misery | ok, so why is mount not doing what i tell it to? im getting noexec,nosuid,nodev on a manual mount i didnt specify |
| 10:04.50 | misery | i stopped hal, and it still did it, so its not that |
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| 10:06.59 | aburch | misery: So what did you tell mount? |
| 10:06.59 | misery | see the pastebin i mentioned before |
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| 10:07.03 | aburch | misery: user implies noexec,nosuid,nodev. |
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| 10:07.33 | misery | http://pastebin.com/Ep6SR3Sv |
| 10:07.35 | misery | heres another |
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| 10:09.29 | SethX | hey all |
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| 10:10.07 | SethX | i'm VNC'ing into a remote debian box from macos, and when i type in the vnc window the keyboard layout is totally fscked up |
| 10:10.18 | SethX | seems like keys are shifted, at random |
| 10:10.42 | SethX | shouldnt vnc simply transmit the characthers , and not the actual key pressed? |
| 10:10.48 | SethX | any ideas? |
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| 10:12.19 | SPF | SethX: what keys do you get for q,w,e,r,t and y? |
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| 10:12.29 | SethX | c.gvn |
| 10:12.49 | SethX | totally random. |
| 10:12.56 | SPF | it's not random |
| 10:13.01 | SethX | whats that? |
| 10:13.08 | SPF | type it in google |
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| 10:13.56 | SethX | aha. |
| 10:14.01 | SethX | good to know. |
| 10:14.18 | SPF | I had the same problem before, don't remember how I solved it though |
| 10:14.47 | misery | hmm, can a bug report be filed from a web browser? My local mail cant send outside the lan |
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| 10:17.56 | cast | hey guys, i was using btrfs and needed to do some online shrinking, so i did vim -b /dev/sda1 did search and replace of anything matching the current partition size as a uint64 with my new shrunk size, but now i can't boot. any help??? |
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| 10:19.05 | babilen | famous last words? |
| 10:20.15 | babilen | cast: backups? |
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| 10:21.10 | babilen | cast: and you might want to use btrfsctrl the next time :) |
| 10:21.24 | babilen | s/btrfsctrl/btrfsctl |
| 10:22.21 | aburch | misery: You can use your favorite web mail. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting. |
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| 10:23.34 | cast | i was just thinking, given a random 64bit value a search and replace isn't going to do anything |
| 10:23.52 | babilen | why would you think that? |
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| 10:25.12 | cast | 1/2.0**64 * 300e9*8 is quite small |
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| 10:26.40 | cast | eh, that *8 is wrong :( |
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| 10:27.09 | muffin2 | Hi |
| 10:27.18 | aburch | Well, if you didn't expect it to do anything: Why did you run the command? |
| 10:27.25 | babilen | well, apparently it did not work and you replaced some important parts. I doubt that your approach might have worked at all ... why did you not use btrfsctl to shrink the partition? |
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| 10:28.26 | muffin2 | I booted from the usb drive filled with boot.img.gz for debian 5.0.4 i386. |
| 10:28.33 | cast | hmm, i'll have to think of something more unbelievable to say next time i join :P |
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| 10:28.41 | cast | i thought that was massively far fetched |
| 10:28.43 | babilen | cast: do that! |
| 10:28.52 | muffin2 | And the graphical installer doesn't search the usb drive itself and nags that it can't find .iso files from harddisks |
| 10:29.05 | babilen | cast: but might i suggest a different channel for "made up problems"? |
| 10:29.21 | muffin2 | How can I make the debian installer search the usb drive where it resides? |
| 10:29.45 | nsadmin | muffin2: you would copy an image file onto the stick |
| 10:29.56 | aburch | cast: Fix 5 bugs on bugs.debian.org to repent for your sins! |
| 10:30.04 | muffin2 | nsadmin : By an image file, what do you mean? |
| 10:30.08 | babilen | muffin2: You copied the .iso *file* to the stick? does the architectures of your boot.img and the iso match? did you download both from the same place? (kmuto vs regular debian, ...) |
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| 10:30.39 | muffin2 | babilen : The architectures don't match, but the installer didn't even search the usb drive. |
| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | what's your arch? |
| 10:30.58 | muffin2 | I want to install debian 5.0.4 ia64 from debian 5.0.4 i386 usb installer. |
| 10:31.05 | muffin2 | I have core 2 duo 64bit cpu |
| 10:31.10 | muffin2 | Intel T8300 |
| 10:31.16 | babilen | muffin2: The architectures *have* to match and you have to place the .iso *file* on the stick in the root / of the fs |
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| 10:31.19 | aburch | muffin2: Core2Duo is amd64, not ia64. |
| 10:31.30 | babilen | and yeah ^^^ |
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| 10:31.35 | aburch | muffin2: And use the amd64 installer to install amd64... |
| 10:31.38 | nsadmin | actually ia64 is not core2duo, amd64 is |
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| 10:31.48 | muffin2 | aburch : Core2Duo is not AMD. |
| 10:31.53 | muffin2 | It's Intel |
| 10:31.56 | themill | dpkg: tell muffin2 about why amd64 |
| 10:32.07 | babilen | themill: thanks - was just typing the same |
| 10:32.08 | nsadmin | actually it is, amd came up with it, intel copied. |
| 10:32.08 | aburch | muffin2: ia64 == Intel Itanium, not Intel Core 2 Duo. |
| 10:32.13 | cast | there are slight differences between amd64 and em64t, FWIW |
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| 10:32.25 | muffin2 | What is IA-64, then? |
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| 10:32.31 | babilen | muffin2: itanium |
| 10:32.32 | nsadmin | itanium |
| 10:32.44 | nsadmin | which you don't have :) |
| 10:32.49 | muffin2 | Is it more recent? |
| 10:32.50 | cast | ahh, intel calls em64t intel 64 now me thinks |
| 10:33.30 | muffin2 | Is IA-64 more recent than amd64? |
| 10:33.30 | babilen | muffin2: read the wikipedia article |
| 10:33.33 | muffin2 | ok |
| 10:33.48 | dancek | some call amd64 x86_64 to avoid such confusion |
| 10:34.07 | nsadmin | ia64 will not work with your cpu, which you already said is core2duo |
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| 10:34.32 | babilen | get the amd64 or i386 image and iso |
| 10:34.35 | muffin2 | What is i5 or i7 intel processor? |
| 10:34.40 | mcsmurf | hi, I have some PATH problem (I think), problem is: I want to execute a shell script called "jabref", which is placed in /usr/local/bin, "which jabref" returns /usr/local/bin/jabref |
| 10:34.45 | dancek | muffin2, it's amd64 too |
| 10:34.48 | babilen | muffin2: wikipedia ;) |
| 10:34.53 | aburch | muffin2: All amd64. Only Itanium is ia64. |
| 10:35.03 | mcsmurf | but when I now enter "jabref" I get "bash: /usr/bin/jabref: path or directory not found" |
| 10:35.06 | muffin2 | So ia-64 is not intel |
| 10:35.06 | nsadmin | is itanium any good |
| 10:35.15 | mcsmurf | why does this happen? |
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| 10:35.20 | cast | muffin2: no, it's intel |
| 10:35.22 | mcsmurf | err file or ... I mean |
| 10:35.27 | nsadmin | ]yes it is, it's just not core2duo |
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| 10:35.52 | muffin2 | "The processors are marketed for use in enterprise servers and high-performance computing systems." |
| 10:36.01 | muffin2 | IA-64 processors are not for end users, then |
| 10:36.23 | nsadmin | I suppose not... hence maybe they won't be as well tested |
| 10:36.24 | themill | mcsmurf: try "hash -r" |
| 10:36.41 | babilen | muffin2: you can read :) |
| 10:37.01 | muffin2 | babilen : I have been always able to read |
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| 10:37.03 | nsadmin | even 1-yearold babys can read with that video thing |
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| 10:37.41 | babilen | muffin2: But to solve your problem - download the boot.img and a matching iso and place them on the stick as detailed in the installation guide .. (the arch *has* to match) - you can use either i386 or amd64 |
| 10:37.43 | mcsmurf | themill: indeed, that worked :O |
| 10:38.03 | muffin2 | babilen : I prefer to use amd64 because 64bit is cool. |
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| 10:38.09 | mcsmurf | themill: ah I see what did, ok |
| 10:38.13 | mcsmurf | +that |
| 10:38.14 | themill | mcsmurf: your shell tries to remember where "jabref" was so that it doesn't have to go searching all over the file system to find it each time you type it. |
| 10:38.15 | mcsmurf | cool |
| 10:38.47 | themill | mcsmurf: are you trying out the new 2.6 version? |
| 10:38.49 | mcsmurf | yeah, I tried to installed some version of jabref from the repository, but that did not work at all (there was no jabref for etch and so on) |
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| 10:39.04 | mcsmurf | well yeah, I now downloaded it directly from the jabref page |
| 10:39.21 | mcsmurf | and now wrote some java -jar ... shell script |
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| 10:39.58 | themill | mcsmurf: let me know how it goes... I was wondering about upgrading it myself the other day but I'm not really in a position where I can afford to have that break on me right now. |
| 10:40.05 | muffin2 | Is debian much faster than ubuntu? |
| 10:40.40 | mcsmurf | themill: it seems to start, but I cannot really tell you more about that :) mainly because I'm installing this for another user, not for myself |
| 10:40.51 | cast | muffin2: benchmark, post to /. |
| 10:41.01 | themill | mcsmurf: hehe, fair enough. |
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| 10:41.08 | nifty | Where can I find which gateway is my system using for internet? ifconfg shows the netmask and resolv.conf show the DNS server, but where's the gateway info? |
| 10:41.12 | mcsmurf | s/about/than |
| 10:41.24 | cast | nifty: route |
| 10:41.24 | aburch | nifty: ip route |
| 10:41.25 | petemc | nifty: netstat -rn , or route |
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| 10:42.04 | cast | so should i be using the ip command instead of route |
| 10:42.15 | nifty | thank you all |
| 10:42.28 | muffin2 | cast : what did you mean? |
| 10:42.44 | nifty | it'd be nice to have one tool/command to display all network info... |
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| 10:43.14 | babilen | ip provides most information you'll ever need |
| 10:44.19 | whomee | i want to get a hold on zoneminder in the reposteri, but then i have to switch to unstable and upgrade my system .. is that a bad idea? :P |
| 10:44.35 | reklipz | Hey all. I've just installed Squeeze via the Alpha1 installer. I'm using dmraid to enable RAID 0 with a required dual boot setup. |
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| 10:45.09 | muffin2 | Debian is certainly faster than ubuntu, but Debian wouldn't let virtualbox install guestaddition on itself. |
| 10:45.12 | reklipz | However, it appears dmraid and grub2 currently do not mix. Is this indeed the case, and if so, is it possible to use grub rather than grub2? |
| 10:45.25 | muffin2 | Debian denies permission to install virtualbox guestAddition. |
| 10:45.38 | muffin2 | Even as root it denies. |
| 10:45.41 | muffin2 | I tried it on single mode. |
| 10:45.51 | reklipz | Rather, is it possible to install grub instead of grub2, by means of the alpha1 d-i. |
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| 10:46.13 | cast | i quite like kvm on decent cpus |
| 10:46.15 | muffin2 | I don't know well |
| 10:46.21 | muffin2 | Should I install lubuntu or ubuntu? |
| 10:46.49 | reklipz | idk the channel's opinion, but this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 10:48.01 | _toby_ | anyone tell me how to find hidden processes..or a tool |
| 10:48.35 | cast | beyond ps aux? |
| 10:48.40 | _toby_ | yeah |
| 10:48.47 | muffin2 | Can I log in as root? |
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| 10:48.51 | cast | as in you might be rootkited? |
| 10:48.52 | muffin2 | Can I log in as root on debian? |
| 10:48.57 | cast | muffin2: course you can |
| 10:49.04 | _toby_ | yep cast |
| 10:49.11 | muffin2 | cast : I was denied permission to log on as root. |
| 10:49.18 | cast | _toby_: might not be possible |
| 10:49.28 | babilen | muffin2: tried the root password? |
| 10:49.32 | cast | _toby_: once a host is compromised, you can't trust it to do anything |
| 10:49.33 | muffin2 | babilen : yes |
| 10:49.34 | _toby_ | really |
| 10:49.49 | cast | muffin2: well, default debian install, one can login as root |
| 10:49.58 | reklipz | _toby_: that's the point of the rootkit |
| 10:50.04 | muffin2 | cast : default debian install? |
| 10:50.13 | babilen | muffin2: hard to say where your error is .. you should be able to log in as root in the default install without problem |
| 10:50.28 | _toby_ | any other tools apart from rootkit reklipz ? |
| 10:50.36 | babilen | muffin2: "default install" as in "unaltered by you" |
| 10:50.37 | reklipz | _toby_: you would have to know how the kit works, and find an exploit or somewhere it doesn't patch |
| 10:50.53 | themill | muffin2: how are you trying to log in? |
| 10:50.57 | muffin2 | babilen : I installed laptop features. |
| 10:51.12 | reklipz | _toby_: it's really just a matter of trial and error, but as cast said, you can't trust it even after you "fix" it anyway |
| 10:51.14 | muffin2 | themill : I tried to log in on GDM. |
| 10:51.23 | reklipz | _toby_: aka, you may as well just start fresh |
| 10:51.34 | themill | muffin2: no, gdm won't let you log in as root for good reason. |
| 10:51.42 | babilen | muffin2: You can login as your user, but not as root? Note that graphical login managers prevent login as root due to security reasons. Try on a console |
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| 10:51.57 | muffin2 | babilen : how can I log in on a console? |
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| 10:52.09 | muffin2 | I want to avoid single mode |
| 10:52.10 | reklipz | alt+Fx key gets you to that tty |
| 10:52.11 | babilen | muffin2: CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 10:52.16 | _toby_ | reklipz, could you put rootkit on separate media or like a live cd would that be best than installing it on the host |
| 10:52.25 | reklipz | _toby_: rootkit == bad |
| 10:52.25 | muffin2 | babilen : Does it have to be that hidden? |
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| 10:52.37 | reklipz | _toby_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit |
| 10:52.39 | muffin2 | babilen : can't I just load a console from GDM? |
| 10:52.40 | babilen | muffin2: But why don't you log in as your user and become root whenever you need the privileges? |
| 10:52.40 | themill | muffin2: seriously.... |
| 10:52.47 | _toby_ | thanks reklipz |
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| 10:53.13 | muffin2 | Even in the single mode, debian refuses to install virtualbox guestAddition. what do you think is wrong? |
| 10:53.41 | themill | dpkg: tell muffin2 about ask |
| 10:53.55 | babilen | !tell muffin2 -about bat |
| 10:54.01 | whomee | i want to get a hold on zoneminder in the reposteri, but then i have to switch to unstable and upgrade my system .. is that a bad idea? :P (yea double post sorry) |
| 10:54.41 | muffin2 | Ok you guys need the output of errors. |
| 10:55.03 | themill | muffin2: well, ESP-over-IRC doesn't *always* work. |
| 10:55.23 | muffin2 | themill : what is ESP? |
| 10:55.38 | themill | dpkg: tell muffin2 about esp |
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| 10:57.19 | cast | i hadn't thought about logging in via gdm, i think i'm out of touch, i still boot into tty1 |
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| 10:58.57 | muffin2 | Damn I should buy 64bit windows 7. |
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| 11:00.01 | babilen | muffin2: have fun |
| 11:00.10 | muffin2 | babilen : I try |
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| 11:07.11 | _toby_ | whoops |
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| 11:25.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:25.38 | dpkg | <SkyDreamer> i'm still laughing at my first attempt <SkyDreamer> i downloaded for 3 days <SkyDreamer> 4 dvd images <SkyDreamer> and to find out there for another machine type :)) <SkyDreamer> thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth |
| 11:25.58 | liable | oh god |
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| 11:26.29 | lgp171188 | SkyDreamer: lol |
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| 11:40.38 | nsadmin | so my ayptatood say dere stuff too du... |
| 11:41.05 | nsadmin | bot wen I sa g for goe, it don doo nutin |
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| 11:41.47 | liable | !aolify nsadmin |
| 11:41.47 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in nsadmin's ear |
| 11:42.01 | liable | wtf, why did chanserv do that? |
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| 11:45.09 | babilen | liable: probably triggered by some op - that language was just ridiculous (and a wee bit funny) |
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| 11:45.38 | liable | i think its a bot thing |
| 11:45.45 | liable | an op should fucking man up and say so |
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| 11:46.15 | liable | particularly when it comes to regulars in the channel |
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| 11:46.38 | babilen | agreed - although I wonder what triggered the bot (this might be considered ot in here though) |
| 11:47.02 | themill | liable: the regulars know that they are held to a higher standard that newbie-walk-in and the person who is +q is told who did it. (And I am currently talking to nsadmin right now about it). |
| 11:47.16 | liable | i know they have a server wide thing like debhelper now that kicks on certain amount of lines |
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| 11:47.48 | babilen | liable: let's just drop it - themill is at it and it is not really our concern |
| 11:48.00 | nsadmin | sheesh :P |
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| 11:48.36 | nsadmin | normally you wouldn't push someone out who can help others |
| 11:49.52 | liable | themill: two lines is hardly spam, and i aolified him in true debian fashion anyway! :P thats even worse than getting +q :P |
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| 11:50.30 | liable | the thing that threw me was chanserv doing it |
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| 11:58.09 | nsadmin | meanwhile... my problem is pretty much as stated... I did an update on aptitude, it said there's updatables and security updates, and I say g for go and nothing happens (except it has me push return) |
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| 12:00.29 | babilen | nsadmin: well, paste the relevant output from the command line - you could also try to cancel pending actions first. do not forget about apt-cache policy * output .. you know the game |
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| 12:00.56 | nsadmin | moreorless... |
| 12:01.16 | nsadmin | but if it doesn't do anything, doesn't that mean there are no actions to cancel? |
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| 12:02.16 | nsadmin | stated another way... what do you do after updating, after noticing there are packages to update and before hitting g? |
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| 12:02.45 | NetNiet | hi i'm try into setup php with ssh2 support .. Requirements tels me to install OpenSSl-dev ... but can t locate this ... andy idea |
| 12:03.17 | nsadmin | why is it asking for the -dev? |
| 12:03.23 | babilen | requirements? |
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| 12:03.37 | echosystm | whats the rationale behind the freebsd kernels? |
| 12:03.45 | echosystm | i dont really understand it |
| 12:03.58 | nsadmin | you mean why do they exist at all? |
| 12:04.00 | abrotman | echosystm: systems don't run without kernels? |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | NetNiet: libssl-dev IIRC |
| 12:04.14 | echosystm | i mean debian kfreebsd |
| 12:04.27 | abrotman | echosystm: why not? there is also HURD |
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| 12:05.02 | echosystm | doesnt this mean the ABI needs to be the same among linux/kfreebsd kernels? |
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| 12:05.08 | abrotman | uhm .. why? |
| 12:05.13 | echosystm | or the userland cant be interchanged between them? |
| 12:05.18 | NetNiet | its the www.php.net telling me .. but whats the deabian way to get php with ssh2 support |
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| 12:06.14 | NetNiet | it also asks for PECL .. isn't that already installed with perl ? |
| 12:07.26 | abrotman | NetNiet: libssl-dev IIRC |
| 12:07.28 | themill | ,versions libssh2-php |
| 12:07.29 | judd | libssh2-php -- sid: 0.11.0-2.1; squeeze: 0.11.0-2.1 |
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| 12:08.17 | NetNiet | ok will try thx |
| 12:08.28 | themill | (looks quite backportable, if you enable backports.org) |
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| 12:22.54 | nsadmin | still wondering... on aptitude, what do you do after updating, after noticing there are packages to update and before hitting g, in order to get aptitude to actually install the packages it's referring to? |
| 12:23.38 | nsadmin | shouldn't it know to install those, or is there some other step that says yes, yes, yes and yes, install them |
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| 12:27.26 | nsadmin | so I'm in aptitude's curses ui, and the cursor is on a line that says security updates |
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| 12:28.02 | nsadmin | bottom half of the screen says This group contains 169 packages |
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| 12:28.20 | nsadmin | how can I say get them all in under 10 keystrokes? |
| 12:28.53 | sep | nsadmin, aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade if there is still packages that need upgrade also run aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:28.59 | sep | i never use the ncurses interface |
| 12:29.33 | sep | ofcourse reviewing what it outputs and considering the implications of my actions. but that was implied |
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| 12:30.01 | nsadmin | wait I think I got it |
| 12:30.19 | greenmang0 | how to block spams using amavisd-new depending upon sender name ? |
| 12:30.31 | nsadmin | you can say package/install on a group |
| 12:32.32 | abrotman | greenmang0: isn't your amavis using spamass as part of the stuff? you can probably also use your MTA to do that |
| 12:33.26 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yeah.. it's using spamass but.. i am not able to figure out where exactly i should make changes |
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| 12:35.40 | TAD_ | I got these permissions, -rwxr-xr-x, on a sh script but I can't execute it, either with ./eclipse.sh or bash eclipse.sh |
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| 12:36.03 | Argafal | "I can't execute it"..... |
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| 12:36.32 | TAD_ | Argafal: it says permission denied |
| 12:36.54 | TAD_ | Argafal: these happened after today's Squeeze update |
| 12:37.14 | Argafal | mounted noexec? does the shebang line exist and have the proper permissions? just a few ideas to start with. |
| 12:37.56 | TAD_ | Argafal: I did mod fstab before reboot, let me check |
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| 12:38.17 | fanani | Hi all |
| 12:38.20 | TAD_ | Argafal: I got user and noatime |
| 12:38.32 | TAD_ | Argafal: should it be defaults, and noatime? |
| 12:39.06 | fanani | if I have a problem about debian , Am I can use trooble shoot of ubuntu |
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| 12:39.50 | Argafal | TAD_: i guess user and noatime should be fine but you could check the manpage, don't know the options from top of my head. |
| 12:40.01 | Argafal | TAD_: what exactly is the error msg? |
| 12:40.02 | themill | TAD_: "user" is not what you want there |
| 12:40.31 | g00se | Is it necessary to have an account on a remote machine for ssh with key auth? |
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| 12:40.45 | Argafal | themill: why do you think this could cause his trouble? |
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| 12:41.45 | Argafal | TAD_: defaults would include exec. i don't know what the default is if you don't specify anything regarding execution. you'd want to check that. |
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| 12:42.17 | TAD_ | Argafal, themill : let me check fstab manpage |
| 12:42.36 | Argafal | TAD_: (user): This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev |
| 12:42.49 | Argafal | TAD_: see man 8 mount |
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| 12:43.20 | g00se | nm - i can log in as someone else ;-) |
| 12:43.53 | TAD_ | Argafal: yeah; I'll go for that |
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| 12:48.38 | David___ | is it out yet ? |
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| 12:49.05 | David___ | wrong channel, I should be in #ubuntu |
| 12:49.08 | David___ | exit |
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| 12:50.42 | abrotman | my .. that's embarassing |
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| 12:51.24 | reklipz | giggles |
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| 12:53.13 | TAD_ | Argafal: how to remount without restarting? |
| 12:53.48 | Argafal | TAD_: Look for -o remount,OPTION in the manpage of mount |
| 12:53.53 | abrotman | TAD_: man mount .. see the -o section .. there's a remount option |
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| 12:54.50 | toast0r | hi folks |
| 12:54.55 | mrdk | Hi!! |
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| 12:56.14 | TAD_ | abrotman: I'm looking that can remount the fs I'm using, EG /home |
| 12:56.40 | TAD_ | abrotman: maual is kinda dense |
| 12:56.51 | TAD_ | s/maual/manual |
| 12:57.13 | toast0r | TAD_: cd / && mount -o remount,rw /home does this work? |
| 12:57.23 | Argafal | TAD_: well, two folks told you which option already, so what else is there to know? |
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| 12:57.43 | mrdk | Folks, I need ur help. My `showmounts -a` shows "All mount points on staging:", although my /etc/exports contains "/opt/staging/nfs 10.0.10.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)". What's wrong? |
| 12:57.46 | Argafal | TAD_: and the description of -o is just a few lines and even gives an example. |
| 12:58.14 | TAD_ | ok |
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| 13:00.24 | TAD_ | toast0r, Argafal: thanks guys, u rock! |
| 13:00.36 | toast0r | TAD_: no problem dude |
| 13:01.00 | Argafal | toast0r: *5* |
| 13:01.02 | mrdk | toast0r: respect |
| 13:01.03 | mugwort13 | is the next scheduled release of debian expect around this autumn, or later? |
| 13:01.08 | TAD_ | toast0r, Argafal: I was confused by having to have -o and the remount! |
| 13:01.17 | ribasushi | what was the tool to adjust alternatives |
| 13:01.51 | toast0r | Argafal: do you try to offend me? |
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| 13:02.13 | Argafal | toast0r: you know what a high 5 is? |
| 13:02.24 | toast0r | Argafal: ahh now i see! sorry |
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| 13:03.01 | mrdk | toast0r: quite an epic fail, mate |
| 13:03.19 | toast0r | mrdk: indeed |
| 13:03.29 | Argafal | i'm still thinking how that could be interpreted as OFFENSIVE. someone wants to fill me in? |
| 13:03.59 | toast0r | Argafal: didn't know this smiley before and i'm not a native english speaker |
| 13:04.32 | ribasushi | hm hm hm... if I install xpdf |
| 13:04.41 | ribasushi | it becomes the "preferred" pdf opener for iceweasel |
| 13:04.47 | ribasushi | where is this controlled from? |
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| 13:05.04 | mrdk | Folks, I need ur help. My `showmounts -a` shows "All mount points on staging:", although my /etc/exports contains "/opt/staging/nfs 10.0.10.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)". What's wrong? |
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| 13:08.07 | wm4 | could someone make the dpkg bot tell me how to build a debian source package? |
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| 13:08.42 | Titan8990 | wm4: you want to create a source package from upstream sources? |
| 13:09.11 | wm4 | Titan8990: no, I want to build a compiled package the source I get with apt-get source |
| 13:09.16 | Argafal | !tell wm4 source |
| 13:09.16 | wm4 | +from |
| 13:09.18 | papapsich | еÑÑÑ ÐºÑо по ÑÑÑÑкм говоÑиÑ? |
| 13:09.31 | Argafal | :09 <dpkg> No, argafal, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 13:09.31 | mrdk | hello russian |
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| 13:09.40 | Titan8990 | wm4: dpkg-buildpackage from inside the source directory |
| 13:09.48 | meds_ | hi, where can i ask a question about how to build portmixer |
| 13:09.49 | papapsich | hello |
| 13:09.54 | Argafal | wm4: well, you might want to ask for "source". no idea why i can't make him tell you |
| 13:10.03 | wm4 | Argafal: yeah, that worked |
| 13:10.06 | Argafal | s/him/it/ (stupid machine) |
| 13:10.11 | wm4 | Titan8990: also thanks |
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| 13:11.59 | themill | hands Argafal a box full of "about"s |
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| 13:13.40 | Argafal | !tell argafal about about |
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| 13:14.17 | Argafal | bows in front of themill to show his gratitude. |
| 13:14.38 | themill | Arise, peasant, and fetch me some coffee... |
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| 13:14.55 | themill | :þ |
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| 13:18.18 | nsadmin | what's the ext3 resizer called and what pkg? |
| 13:18.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 13:18.40 | simonrvn | dude, seriously |
| 13:19.15 | toast0r | this is not ubuntu forums! |
| 13:19.28 | mrdk | nsadmin: really, get a life |
| 13:19.35 | simonrvn | you should know better ;) |
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| 13:20.38 | nsadmin | oh, you mean run apt-cache search ext2? oh, did that |
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| 13:21.31 | Argafal | nsadmin: i don't think so. |
| 13:21.31 | meds_ | http://pastebin.com/rgxbc92k |
| 13:21.39 | simonrvn | hands nsadmin a dpkg -l and some globs for free |
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| 13:22.34 | simonrvn | meds_: are we supposed to guess what that is, or are you going to break the suspense? |
| 13:23.12 | mrdk | Folks, I need ur help. My `showmounts -a` shows "All mount points on staging:", although my /etc/exports contains "/opt/staging/nfs 10.0.10.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)". What's wrong? |
| 13:23.28 | nsadmin | you want...help? |
| 13:23.33 | nsadmin | pass |
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| 13:23.47 | mrdk | yeah.. |
| 13:23.50 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 13:24.26 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hint, resi<tab> |
| 13:24.42 | mrdk | simonrvn: hehe |
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| 13:25.01 | nsadmin | oh, dang, here I was lookng for ext ext2 e2 |
| 13:25.17 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 13:25.55 | simonrvn | that's why i try alternates... though the extX tools aren't consistently named :/ |
| 13:26.09 | nlisgo | I want to enforce filenames conflicts when someone tries to save a file in capital letters when the file already exists in the same folder in lowercase |
| 13:26.24 | nlisgo | eg. FILE.doc and fole.doc |
| 13:26.25 | Titan8990 | thats not a filename conflict |
| 13:26.29 | simonrvn | use windows then |
| 13:26.29 | nlisgo | sorry file.doc |
| 13:26.54 | nsadmin | they are not the same |
| 13:26.56 | nlisgo | i want to do it in debian |
| 13:26.58 | Titan8990 | those are two different files with unique names |
| 13:27.03 | nsadmin | A and a are not the same |
| 13:27.07 | nlisgo | i know, I'm not stupid |
| 13:27.18 | nlisgo | just tell me it can't be done |
| 13:27.19 | simonrvn | nlisgo: you misunderstand unix filesystems |
| 13:27.22 | nlisgo | i don't |
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| 13:27.33 | nlisgo | I know they're not the same |
| 13:27.36 | simonrvn | so why try to do something you can't? |
| 13:27.41 | nsadmin | you can do it, but you've got a lot of C source to muddle thru |
| 13:27.42 | nlisgo | I'm asking if I can enforce a conflict |
| 13:27.56 | icebrain | nsadmin: proxy fs in Fuse :) |
| 13:28.03 | nlisgo | simonrvn: I was wondering if I could |
| 13:28.09 | Titan8990 | I would imagine you need to alter the filesystem driver |
| 13:28.18 | simonrvn | see above comments from others |
| 13:28.23 | nlisgo | wow, didn't realise it would evoke such a response |
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| 13:29.17 | nsadmin | nlisgo: alter mv, you can easily get the source |
| 13:29.23 | nlisgo | thanks Titan8990, it's looking like it's not something I should bother with |
| 13:29.36 | Argafal | nsadmin: why don't you just use a fat fs for the disk? ;) |
| 13:29.48 | mrdk | lslsl |
| 13:30.04 | nsadmin | Argafal, are you serious? |
| 13:30.11 | nsadmin | and me? |
| 13:30.13 | toast0r | please help mrdk, he gets angry quite quickly |
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| 13:30.15 | Argafal | nsadmin: tabfail ;) |
| 13:30.16 | mrdk | nsadmin: yes, he is |
| 13:30.37 | Argafal | nlisgo: why don't you just use a fat fs for the disk? cause that's where you are heading in the end, right? |
| 13:30.47 | nsadmin | oh, I see, you're still trying to get to me because I forgot something |
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| 13:31.16 | Argafal | nsadmin: no, i honestly just forgot pressing the tab-key once more. |
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| 13:31.29 | icebrain | Argafal: ext3 is more than a case sensitive FAT :| |
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| 13:31.46 | nsadmin | sorry, yeah, I also hate how tab completeion works |
| 13:31.58 | Argafal | nsadmin: and i don't think any one minds people forgetting. it's just that your question was answered on ALL of the first 10 hits of google with "ext3 resize". i checked. |
| 13:31.58 | nsadmin | it shoudl be like the shell |
| 13:32.19 | Argafal | nsadmin: yes, i'd prefer shell like tab completion for irssi... actually that might exists =) |
| 13:33.18 | Titan8990 | Argafal: you can tab-complete paths in irssi just like the shell |
| 13:33.38 | Argafal | icebrain: you are (of course) right and i'm fully aware of that. but the only reason i can think of why someone would want to limit ext3 is to copy these files later to vfat fs. otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense to me. nlisgo: please correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 13:33.40 | nsadmin | well you'll have to pardon my forgetfulness, I guess working on web apps saps your mind |
| 13:33.50 | gaytor | HI |
| 13:34.09 | icebrain | hey! I found a case insensitive ext3 driver, LOL: http://bill.herrin.us/freebies/ |
| 13:34.16 | Argafal | rofl. |
| 13:34.19 | Titan8990 | Argafal: yes, but in that scenerio a script can handle the conflicts at copy-time |
| 13:34.29 | nsadmin | for linux? |
| 13:34.45 | icebrain | nsadmin: yes |
| 13:34.47 | icebrain | "The ext3ci software v2.6-1 creates a new "ext3ci" driver for Linux 2.6 based on the ext3 driver. The ext3ci driver differs from ext3 in that it is not case sensitive. " |
| 13:35.16 | nlisgo | Actually, we're working on sites that are hosted on Linux but developed on Windows. When we commit to the repository from the live site and pull locally we get 2 problems when files are written differently but windows thinks they're the same |
| 13:35.23 | nsadmin | does it say anything about the case of files it creates? |
| 13:35.26 | nlisgo | We wish to deploy on debian |
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| 13:36.01 | icebrain | nsadmin: I wouldn't use that in a production environment! |
| 13:36.35 | nlisgo | so I was just wondering, casually I might add, if debian could be told to consider them to be the same |
| 13:36.46 | icebrain | sorry, another tab-completiong problem :| |
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| 13:36.55 | icebrain | it was for nlisgo |
| 13:36.58 | nsadmin | nlisgo: he just found you a driver that does it |
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| 13:37.37 | icebrain | nlisgo: no, Debian won't consider that. ever. nor any other respectable Unix, I hope |
| 13:37.54 | nlisgo | I think I'll give up on the idea though. Thanks for your help everyone. |
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| 13:38.13 | nsadmin | I'll also echo the advice just given... I do hope it works for you, but I think it will break. You should limit your use of it to one place |
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| 13:38.55 | nsadmin | nlisgo: were you listening? he found you a driver |
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| 13:39.40 | nlisgo | nsadmin: yes I was thanks. I've noted it down. |
| 13:39.43 | simonrvn | i think that's wisest, and find an alternate solution. |
| 13:39.57 | tomiondrums | hi! i'm looking for some howto etc. which describes how to set up quota to cooperate with LDAP. i've been searching for days now but i couldn't find anything. can you suggest me something? |
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| 13:41.06 | nsadmin | nlisgo: then you should find out why windows is naming the files differently |
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| 13:42.00 | nsadmin | nlisgo: -perhaps- you should consider only allowing commits from unix-semantic-capable machines |
| 13:42.16 | wintellect | \o |
| 13:42.18 | Argafal | Is that a nazi smiley? |
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| 13:43.03 | wintellect | Argafal: no, it's a wave, as in "Hello" |
| 13:43.09 | nsadmin | no it's a half note |
| 13:43.12 | kdasdasf | hi can i limit the open sessions per user? |
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| 13:43.25 | kdasdasf | like a user must not log in more then three times at the same time? |
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| 13:43.36 | kdasdasf | ssh login restriction would be sufficient |
| 13:45.01 | nsadmin | can pam do that? |
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| 13:45.18 | simonrvn | iirc it can |
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| 13:49.04 | fiacha | Hi... i get an error when truing to umount a lvm xfs snapshot... as far as i know nothing should be accessing it (used rsync from another server to pull/copy the data), it's finished). I know i can force the umount but i would like to know what process is still using it, is there a way to find out without additional apps like lsof? |
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| 13:49.12 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 13:52.26 | fiacha | ok nm i just installed lsof |
| 13:52.27 | Strogg | Can anyone confirm a bug for me? I'm trying to build a pckage with libusb-1.0 (as opposed to libusb-0.1), I was going to use pkg-config to get my cflags and libs but it doesn't seem to know about libusb-1.0.. only libusb. libusb1.0-dev installs a pkg-config file.. pkg-config just doesn't know about it in --list-all, but if I use it by name (pkg-config --libs libusb-1.0) it works. |
| 13:52.33 | Strogg | does anyone else get this behaviour? |
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| 13:53.55 | fiacha | So i see process 'bash' is accessing the mounted dir (i don't have any ssh sessions open).. what does it mean? can i just kill it? |
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| 13:54.34 | Titan8990 | fiacha: it probably means the CWD of the shell is within that partition |
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| 13:56.20 | nsadmin | why does aptitude "extract templates from packages"? what's a template? |
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| 13:57.56 | fiacha | Titan8990: yes, how do i change it? (pwd says it's in another directory, but i guess that's just my session?) |
| 13:58.31 | Titan8990 | fiacha: I would just kill it |
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| 13:59.42 | fiacha | it says: 19086 pts/0 00:00:00 bash... what does the pts/0 mean? |
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| 14:00.26 | tarzeau | fiacha: the kernel documentation sure tells you |
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| 14:00.36 | g00se | On -s aptitude seems to be warning me about untrusted packages from backports, yet afaik, i've got backport keys installed. Is this normal? |
| 14:00.48 | tarzeau | fiacha: short for pseudo terminal |
| 14:01.21 | fiacha | tarzeau: Thanks for the info! |
| 14:01.22 | Titan8990 | fiacha: your first session on a "not real" tty |
| 14:01.26 | fiacha | Titan8990: ok thank you! |
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| 14:01.52 | fiacha | Titan8990: yea so a ssh one for example? |
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| 14:01.59 | Titan8990 | fiacha: yes |
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| 14:03.33 | nse | 1 = On top of the legs, with feet on the ground and body on top of them; |
| 14:03.33 | nse | 2 = Ideal speed, temperature and humidity of the air current; |
| 14:03.33 | nse | 3 = Properly fed and |
| 14:03.34 | nse | 4 = Properly drugged. |
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| 14:03.45 | simonrvn | ... |
| 14:04.06 | simonrvn | pats debhelper |
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| 14:05.02 | nse | Sorry, that wasn't intentional. |
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| 14:07.21 | fiacha | Ok thanks for the help!! |
| 14:08.38 | R1ck | is there some debian directory I can place a script in that gets executed only once, after the system boots for the first time after installation? |
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| 14:10.49 | nsadmin | such a dir would have decreasing usefulness over time... |
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| 14:11.41 | R1ck | ofcourse :) but I need to run an install script only once, after the system is installed.. and can't seem to find a proper way |
| 14:11.45 | nsadmin | but there must be a way to do what you want, as debian itself figures out on reboot it hasn't been booted before and does stuff after an install |
| 14:12.17 | R1ck | echoing it to /etc/rc.local works, but then I have to modify the script to remove itself from /etc/rc.local after it has finished |
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| 14:13.20 | Titan8990 | R1ck: possibly a real init script, which includes as part of its exection, to remove itself for startup |
| 14:13.22 | nsadmin | maybe you check a file for existance in rc.local |
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| 14:13.37 | Titan8990 | R1ck: although, I imagine that will have issues as the transition is made into dependency based booting |
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| 14:13.43 | nsadmin | and if it exists you run it, and it deletes itself |
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| 14:14.24 | R1ck | nsadmin: hmm that could work |
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| 14:15.00 | Luka666 | hello, im trying to do raid 1 on lenny following http://tinyurl.com/2rpgbk how to, and it seems it wrongly copye my partition tables. how can i unmount the raid partitions from madm, so i can start over? |
| 14:15.07 | nsadmin | you wouldn't have to remove something from a file (altho that would happen every boot, make sure it's reasonably quick) |
| 14:15.23 | Titan8990 | R1ck: here is an example fof the "firstboot" init script in red hat: http://paste.debian.net/71220/ |
| 14:15.24 | nsadmin | what's this for? |
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| 14:17.14 | R1ck | Titan8990: cool, thanks |
| 14:17.33 | R1ck | nsadmin: were you asking me, what its for? |
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| 14:17.43 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 14:18.01 | R1ck | oh its a script to configure a server in our shared hosting environment |
| 14:18.27 | R1ck | it gets the mac address, looks it up in a database, and gets settings |
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| 14:19.00 | nsadmin | so that's a way of assigning its hostname and fqdn |
| 14:19.00 | R1ck | those settings determine which packages to install, creates mountpoints and stuff :) |
| 14:19.13 | R1ck | yes it does that too |
| 14:19.32 | R1ck | configures /etc/network/interfaces for ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 14:20.02 | nsadmin | another way, |
| 14:20.13 | R1ck | so I boot the server with PXE and install the basesystem plus some other packages and then I want it to run the install script |
| 14:20.17 | Titan8990 | This could probably all be done with FAI or preseeding at install time |
| 14:20.25 | nsadmin | have the script in /etc/init.d/your.script |
| 14:20.32 | R1ck | yes, already using preseeding |
| 14:20.54 | R1ck | the script needs to be checked out with subversion first |
| 14:21.08 | nsadmin | initially have a link in the runlevel, and the script runs and deletes the link to it |
| 14:21.15 | R1ck | hmm |
| 14:21.25 | smhar | I have a usb hauwie device that I am using successfully in my squeeze notebook. I tried it today in a friends notebook running squeeze too. In my computer it connect to /dev/ttyUSB0 but in the other computer there is no /dev/USBanything |
| 14:21.33 | nsadmin | that approach would be more normalish |
| 14:21.50 | R1ck | or I could have it always start up and do nothing if /etc/somefile exists, or install if /etc/somefile does not exist |
| 14:21.54 | R1ck | so I dont have to delete the symlink.. :) |
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| 14:22.47 | nsadmin | true... sysvinit works by having or not having a symlink tho, that's why I characterized it as normalish |
| 14:22.51 | R1ck | the script already creates a file in /etc with configuration settings so I could make it to just exit if the file already exists.. |
| 14:23.16 | R1ck | well thanks, got some excellent ideas :) |
| 14:23.21 | nsadmin | there's a lot of ways :) |
| 14:24.04 | nsadmin | you could call a perl script which calls a python script, all from a tcl script invoked from postgres |
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| 14:24.25 | R1ck | its already perl ;) i love perl |
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| 14:24.34 | nsadmin | but talk about using a planet killer to kill a rabit... |
| 14:25.03 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that's naaasty |
| 14:25.24 | nsadmin | the rabit didn't like it too much either |
| 14:25.29 | simonrvn | haha |
| 14:25.43 | R1ck | you think using perl is overkill? |
| 14:25.50 | nsadmin | no |
| 14:25.57 | simonrvn | no, what nsadmin said |
| 14:26.13 | nsadmin | calling a perl script which calls a python script, all from a tcl script invoked from postgres |
| 14:26.18 | R1ck | oh heh |
| 14:26.22 | nsadmin | could be a bit much |
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| 14:26.44 | simonrvn | and a cron job triggers the postgress select ;p |
| 14:26.51 | simonrvn | *es |
| 14:26.56 | R1ck | well.. that is what is happening here though |
| 14:27.02 | R1ck | bash executes init scripts |
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| 14:27.10 | R1ck | the init script executes the perl script |
| 14:27.21 | R1ck | the perl script executes apt-get which is python (?) |
| 14:27.27 | simonrvn | c |
| 14:27.31 | R1ck | ah |
| 14:27.39 | nsadmin | which responds by creating an at job and then uses the gimp's scheme implementation to call emacs lisp |
| 14:27.47 | tux_ | I have two Internet connections eth0 and eth1, how can I combine the bandwidth of the both interface into one? |
| 14:27.47 | R1ck | well it also launches scripts |
| 14:27.51 | R1ck | which are a mixture |
| 14:27.53 | simonrvn | nsadmin: haha |
| 14:28.06 | simonrvn | tux_: bridge |
| 14:28.37 | tux_ | simonrvn, seemlessly I mean. and the load should be balanced. can bridge do that? |
| 14:28.38 | nsadmin | or bonding |
| 14:28.52 | nsadmin | and you would have to do the same bonding on the other side |
| 14:29.16 | nsadmin | does inkscape have a scripting language? |
| 14:29.39 | tux_ | I read some docs about iproute2 but I am not sure if it has deprecated or not. |
| 14:29.41 | simonrvn | uses python |
| 14:30.13 | nsadmin | have to learn that some day |
| 14:30.19 | nsadmin | that and pam |
| 14:30.31 | themill | nsadmin: you're missing a few languages still in this chain. http://mail.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ |
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| 14:31.14 | nsadmin | I'm much too tired to think of more languages |
| 14:32.09 | R1ck | lolcode seems awesome |
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| 14:32.23 | nsadmin | and brainfuck and ook |
| 14:32.58 | jelly | meh, sendmail.cf is good enough for anyone |
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| 14:33.48 | nsadmin | sources.list.m4 ftw! |
| 14:34.03 | nsadmin | oh wait, that;'s the same thing |
| 14:34.10 | tux_ | multiple links to the Internet, how to combine all that bandwidth into one big fat pipe? |
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| 14:34.52 | R1ck | more importantly is the router the links are connected to |
| 14:34.57 | nsadmin | oh, so you're not bonding you're multihoming (which I'm not familiar with) |
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| 14:42.41 | solifugus | How can I get updates to a debian server on a local network that cannot route to the Internet? It's a backend mysql box that can only talk to its frontend apache server that is connected to the internet. |
| 14:43.10 | solifugus | I though there was some way of making a mirror, of just packages we need to maintain local systems? |
| 14:43.22 | solifugus | but cannot find those instructions on google.. (yet) |
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| 14:43.54 | aburch | solifugus: Can't Apache act as a proxy and forward requests? (mod_proxy) |
| 14:44.20 | HandyGandy | Here is what I am trying to do. I have vnc server running on my desktop, I want to "log in " from my laptop. So that I can continue to do what I was doing in on the desktop from my laptop. What vnc client do you recommend for that? |
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| 14:44.53 | solifugus | aburch: i don't know anything about that.. wouldn't have thought so... I don't even know what port apt-get uses.. |
| 14:45.03 | solifugus | it's http? |
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| 14:45.49 | aburch | solifugus: http(s) or ftp. Whatever you have in your sources.list. |
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| 14:47.26 | solifugus | aburch: oh yes.. of course.. ok.. Since all the packages are in /var/cache/apt/archive... isn't there just some way for the backend system to grab what it needs from there? |
| 14:47.43 | solifugus | simpler than learning how to safely use mod_proxy? |
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| 14:49.00 | aburch | solifugus: Allowing outgoing HTTP traffic only to a specific Debian mirror would also be a possibility. |
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| 14:49.46 | solifugus | aburch: learning curves are both barriers and security risks.. Do you know of any howtos? |
| 14:49.57 | aburch | solifugus: There are also programs that act as a proxy specifically for Debian repositories such as apt-cacher(?) |
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| 14:50.14 | aburch | solifugus: No, I have never used mod_proxy myself. I only know it exists :) |
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| 14:50.32 | laumonier | please i need help i try to install debian on my usb key the boot is ok however after it only search the iso file on my hard drive and not on my usb key what can i do????thanks |
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| 14:51.00 | Breaking_Pitt | hello how can I escape the - char in man pages? |
| 14:51.22 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: doesn't lintian tell you that? |
| 14:51.28 | solifugus | aburch: right! and I didn't even know i'd be in the situation until late last week.. when I was informed of the network environment this system would have to exist in, in production a few days later.. |
| 14:52.11 | karlpinc | laumonier: See the debain install manual at debian.org. |
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| 14:52.21 | laumonier | already done |
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| 14:52.41 | laumonier | i have done what they say but it dont works help me plz |
| 14:52.46 | autopsy | I am creating some jigdo template and jigdo files with jigdo-file make-template and I am curious if jigdo only works with iso9660 filesystem images. The website states if I wanted to distribute some arbitrary file, like MOVIE.MPEG I could split it using split and so on. Does jigdo only support creating templates and jigdo files of iso9660 or can it also scan say, an Ext3 FS image file? |
| 14:53.10 | Breaking_Pitt | "\-" |
| 14:53.20 | Breaking_Pitt | but it doesn't seem to work correctly |
| 14:53.34 | Breaking_Pitt | they are apearing in the man pages |
| 14:53.51 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: so what do you want? |
| 14:54.05 | autopsy | Breaking_Pitt escaping - from the shell, usually -- or "-" |
| 14:54.18 | Breaking_Pitt | know exactly what is the scape sequency in man pages |
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| 14:54.50 | autopsy | Literalize it instead of pass it as a switch. |
| 14:54.54 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: \-. And since that's not doing what you want, you need to have another go at asking your question. |
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| 14:54.59 | themill | autopsy: you're missing context here. |
| 14:55.04 | autopsy | Ok. |
| 14:55.09 | Breaking_Pitt | ok |
| 14:55.22 | themill | autopsy: [15:50] <Breaking_Pitt> hello how can I escape the - char in man pages? |
| 14:55.39 | karlpinc | !tell laumonier about dosen't work |
| 14:55.57 | karlpinc | !tell laumonier about doesn't work |
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| 14:56.39 | karlpinc | solifugus: If you have no internet access how are you going to get _anything_ on the lan? |
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| 14:57.10 | laumonier | i have already explain..... the boot on my usb is ok until it must load the iso file but it dont find my iso file i dont understand why |
| 14:57.22 | abrotman | !tell laumonier about usb install |
| 14:57.32 | autopsy | Breaking_Pitt to escape a man page, which seems more likely in your case, I think you just press 'q'. |
| 14:58.11 | themill | autopsy: you're still missing the context.... Breaking_Pitt is writing the man page text. |
| 14:58.19 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:59.18 | Breaking_Pitt | yes autopsy Im writing a man page text I'm not using the man program, but thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:00.16 | karlpinc | Breaking_Pitt: Possibly install groff then man 7 roff? |
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| 15:02.01 | dubphil | Hello, do you know if the debian stock 2.6.26 kernel is already patched with nth and random match modules for iptables ? |
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| 15:02.35 | karlpinc | dubphil: If they're kernel modules look in /lib/modules/ |
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| 15:02.41 | Titan8990 | dubphil: if you know the config option: grep $option /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:03.39 | themill | or /msg judd kconfig $option |
| 15:03.47 | dubphil | ok thanks I believe the kernel needs a patch in addition to the modules |
| 15:03.49 | autopsy | So is jigdo one of those taboo type applications.. nobody really knows much about it, other than it works and people use it? |
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| 15:04.28 | autopsy | I think that is what taboo means. |
| 15:04.40 | autopsy | Not sure, taboo is taboo pretty much to me. |
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| 15:05.22 | karlpinc | autopsy: You mean voodoo. |
| 15:05.38 | animositisomina | Hi. The kernel 2.6.32 is stopping when resuming from a suspend... it tries continuosly read the dvd-rom rw drive... is there a patch or parameter to stop this behaviour? |
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| 15:06.22 | autopsy | Yeah. With the little dolls and needles getting stuck in them. |
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| 15:06.28 | boludiko | hi, i have a question, exist any way to send automatically a mail with a log has attachment? |
| 15:06.43 | petemc | boludiko: you can do that with mutt |
| 15:06.54 | abrotman | animositisomina: is there a disc in the drive ? |
| 15:07.07 | iceroot | boludiko: cat /var/log/yourfile | mail -s "my subject" my@adress.de |
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| 15:07.15 | karlpinc | petemc, boludiko : I always use metamail. Mutt can be driven from the command line? |
| 15:07.18 | iceroot | boludiko: or use mutt |
| 15:07.22 | Titan8990 | boludiko: its more common for the log to be the actual content of the email, as opposed to an attachment |
| 15:07.40 | karlpinc | boludiko: (Which is the solution proposed first by iceroot.) |
| 15:07.44 | boludiko | really is not a log |
| 15:07.59 | iceroot | boludiko: for real attachments dont use mail, use mutt |
| 15:08.08 | iceroot | boludiko: trust me its the hell using mail(x) |
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| 15:08.27 | boludiko | i have a embedded pc (geode lx500 processor) and i use this with motion to take pictures when the image "change" |
| 15:08.40 | karlpinc | Humm. Guess so. mutt would be a better choice than metamail. |
| 15:08.49 | iceroot | boludiko: then use mutt |
| 15:09.04 | boludiko | so i want to send a mail everyday with the pictures and after delete the images |
| 15:09.07 | Dunge | Anybody have experience with backuping a MTD flash device? I have a device with multiple partitions and I want to copy the exact same thing on another similar device. I searched a bit but some pages say to use cat, other dd, some say to use /dev/mtd0, others /dev/mtdblock0. Whatever I try, it didn't work. dd stop at the first input/ouput error. |
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| 15:09.31 | autopsy | iceroot man mail says mail -a attachment for attachments. Why is that not good? (The hell??) |
| 15:09.49 | iceroot | autopsy: there are problems with the mail-header (sometimes) |
| 15:09.50 | karlpinc | Dunge: Why is your flash getting io errors? |
| 15:09.56 | autopsy | Ohh. I see. |
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| 15:10.10 | iceroot | autopsy: or if i am correct you have to build the header by hand |
| 15:10.18 | iceroot | autopsy: something like that was it |
| 15:10.19 | petemc | header? |
| 15:10.29 | boludiko | anyone has an example of a command for mutt? |
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| 15:10.36 | boludiko | sorry for my english |
| 15:10.46 | petemc | autopsy: you must have a different manpage for mail then i |
| 15:10.50 | JustTheGoodOlBoy | I started using Debian Linux. Its my ambition to code for all operating systems as well as i could during these past 10+ years. I have 5000 program downloads a month now so i guess thats not very little. |
| 15:10.52 | JustTheGoodOlBoy | ? |
| 15:10.54 | autopsy | petemc header contains data type included and to and from addresses. The mail header. |
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| 15:11.06 | Dunge | karlpinc : well, it's a NAND device mounted as YAFFS2, of course with usage some block get flagged as bad eventually, especially since the device hard reset often. Mounting with yaffs2 actually see these errors and get over it with no problems |
| 15:11.08 | petemc | autopsy: yes, which has what to do with attachments? |
| 15:11.11 | Dunge | it's just normal |
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| 15:11.19 | animositisomina | abrotman: no, there is no disk in the drive... |
| 15:11.22 | autopsy | mailx [-BDdEFintv~] [-s subject] [-a attachment ] |
| 15:11.31 | autopsy | *shrug*. |
| 15:11.52 | autopsy | petemc I don't know really. I was just wondering what is wrong with mailx and sending attachments. |
| 15:12.05 | karlpinc | Dunge: I see. It's a raw flash device. Educate me. Is that what MTD means? |
| 15:12.05 | animositisomina | I think this is related to libata ACPI... |
| 15:12.35 | JustTheGoodOlBoy | IRC IS FOR RETARDSÃLEN!!! :) |
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| 15:13.01 | karlpinc | Dunge: So, you don't want an _exact_ copy. You want a copy that looks identical when mounted. (Because an exact copy won't have the same bad bits.) |
| 15:13.03 | Dunge | karlpinc : Memory Technology Device.. not sure what it mean exactly but hey I know I want to copy the partition table and data from one device to another who use the same flash chip for data storage |
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| 15:13.19 | Dunge | yeah |
| 15:13.36 | themill | JustTheGoodOlBoy: do you have a debian question you need some help with? |
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| 15:14.02 | boludiko | i want try mailx |
| 15:14.15 | Dunge | karlpinc : from what I understand, /dev/mtd0 is a raw char device, and /dev/mtdblock0 is a block device emulation over that one |
| 15:14.15 | autopsy | I am creating some jigdo template and jigdo files with jigdo-file make-template and I am curious if jigdo only works with iso9660 filesystem images. The website states if I wanted to distribute some arbitrary file, like MOVIE.MPEG I could split it using split and so on. Does jigdo only support creating templates and jigdo files of iso9660 or can it also scan say, an Ext3 FS image file? |
| 15:14.18 | boludiko | becouse i have the system on a 1GB Compact Flash |
| 15:14.23 | autopsy | Restating my question. |
| 15:14.24 | boludiko | and i have 200Mb free |
| 15:14.45 | boludiko | so 2 MB mailx and 15 MB mutt |
| 15:14.50 | boludiko | i want try mailx |
| 15:14.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is there an Ubuntu-one type online backup service for Debian? |
| 15:14.54 | autopsy | Well, repeating really, but maybe the characters changed somehow I am not aware of since a few minutes ago. |
| 15:15.00 | karlpinc | Dunge: I'd say do it in 3 parts. Dump the partition table with sfdisk and use sfdisk to re-create the partitions. (parted might be a better choice but I'm not familiar with it.) |
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| 15:15.43 | JustTheGoodOlBoy | themill: NookNook! |
| 15:15.48 | JustTheGoodOlBoy | :) |
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| 15:16.37 | Dunge | karlpinc : well I already have a script who use fdisk to re-create the partition table, but I though I could bypass that by simply dd-ing the data over the whole chip |
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| 15:16.43 | karlpinc | Dunge: Then make the filesystems and mount them. Then use tar with -X to copy each filesystem. Then install the boot loader. I'd be better if you could dd from the block device though. |
| 15:16.49 | themill | JustTheGoodOlBoy: perhaps you should take a break from #debian and when you come back, be more signal and less noise |
| 15:16.55 | autopsy | Jigdo is unclear about JTE a template exporter, saying this is how you use it, with an example for genisofs. While this actually doesn't create or export a template from an ISO, it creates the ISO.. so I'm confused. Also it only shows examples on using .ISO image files for jigdo, it's main purpose to distribute files in a better way instead of direct HTTP FTP links. Not sure what the scope of Jigdo is. |
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| 15:17.19 | HandyGandy | themill: Too late he has left. |
| 15:17.46 | Dunge | cuase yeah I could tar every files and re-extract them but this will be long slow an painfull and error-probe, since this is going to a factory production and they will do the process hundreds of time I want a fast and sure method |
| 15:17.52 | Liquid-Silence | anyone here run vmware workstation in unity mode? |
| 15:17.58 | themill | HandyGandy: that's fine.... I'm enjoying his /msg instead. I'm suspect I'll learn some new words soon. |
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| 15:18.53 | karlpinc | Dunge: Something is making the underlying bits look reliable. You want to get on top of that layer and dd. |
| 15:19.46 | karlpinc | Dunge: Lemme look at yaffs2. |
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| 15:23.31 | Dunge | not sure yaffs2 actually do something here, it's the way of mounting data so I can see the file but I had in mind more of a whole chip copy,.. but if you say it's not possible cause bad sectors differs I guess I'll go for the manual partition multiple tar packages |
| 15:23.33 | karlpinc | Dunge: What I don't understand is that if yaffs2 is a filesystem, which lives in a partition, how is it that you can reliabily do the partitioning in the first place if the underlying device is not reliable? Is it because you only write the partition table once? |
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| 15:25.01 | x44433 | was expecting to find /etc/sysconfig/iptables , didnt sysconfig doesnt even exist |
| 15:25.23 | x44433 | where is it found on debian gnu/linux ? |
| 15:25.25 | Liquid-Silence | I am beginning to dislike virtualbox |
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| 15:25.35 | boludiko | i try to do mailx -s "test" adrress@mydomain.com |
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| 15:25.48 | justin | autopsy: jigdo is mostly for distributing iso images without actually having to distribute iso images. debian mirrors already contain all of the files that make up the cd, so jigdo just downloads them and assembles the CD for you |
| 15:25.52 | boludiko | but when i check my email, i don't recibe nothing |
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| 15:26.34 | Dunge | karlpinc : I don't understand what you mean by "reliable", but I can fdisk /dev/mtdblock0, partition it as I want, then I mount the partition I want using -t yaffs2 and it takes the whole partition space and create a browsable filesystem with it, which don't get corrupt on hard shutdown |
| 15:26.40 | wols_ | holycow: check your mail log then |
| 15:26.57 | karlpinc | Dunge: You could try making the partition table. You could even copy it with dd, along with the MBR if you rtfm and figure out the partition table size. Once the partition table exists on the target device you can access the partitions via /dev and dd each yaffs2 partition individually. This all assumes that writing to the chip the first time always works. The yaffs2 fs on the source will ensure you get an accurate read. _But_ you may be incorrectly c |
| 15:26.58 | Dunge | I know that if I split a parition in two and remount it, half of the file are in one and the other half are in the other |
| 15:27.11 | justin | autopsy: unless you are trying to both distribute a file called movie.mpeg and a disk image that contains the same file, jigdo is not for you |
| 15:27.42 | karlpinc | Dunge: So the whole chip is one partition? |
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| 15:28.44 | boludiko | the log's are empty |
| 15:29.07 | karlpinc | Dunge: Never mind that last comment. |
| 15:29.38 | Dunge | sorry I had a telephone call |
| 15:29.40 | autopsy | justin I am trying to distribute a Ext3 filesystem image file, and the files in it. |
| 15:29.52 | justin | autopsy: separately? |
| 15:30.10 | karlpinc | Dunge: What I mean is, if the NAND gets bad blocks why can you write a partition table to it? Won't the partition table sometimes be corrupt? Not if the NAND always writes correctly the first time you write. |
| 15:30.23 | autopsy | justin I am curious if Jigdo can successfully scan Ext3 filesystem images like it would an ISO 9660 filesystem image, or any other image type files. |
| 15:30.47 | justin | autopsy: well, its main use is for cd images, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on ext3 also |
| 15:31.26 | autopsy | justin no.. just the Ext3 filesystem image file. The exploded filesystem image file has all the files from that Ext3 fs in it.. which jigdo-file make-template needs to see to make matches against files to offsets in an image file.. but does it work for anything *except* iso9660? |
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| 15:32.10 | Dunge | karlpinc : up to now I don't think the partition table (mbr, first partition, 512bytes) got bad block since it's never mounted as read/write and/or shutdown the system while writing it. It's only the third partition (the big 500M one) who often get a few 1k bad blocks |
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| 15:32.23 | autopsy | Hm. Ok. |
| 15:32.49 | Dunge | using dd to backup this third partition stop when it encounter the first bad block. I tried with conv=noerror but it seems to enter in an infinite loop |
| 15:33.11 | karlpinc | Dunge: It doesn't go bad with use, multiple write cycles? I didn't think it had to do with hard shutdown alone. |
| 15:33.29 | justin | autopsy: oh, maybe it doesn't support ext3 filesystems |
| 15:33.42 | wols_ | !ddrescue |
| 15:33.42 | dpkg | dd_rescue (in the ddrescue package) is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, it will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. |
| 15:33.49 | karlpinc | Dunge: The trouble with using dd is going to be that you perfectly copy what physical blocks are written, so bad blocks on the old chip are marked bad on the new chip too. |
| 15:34.00 | wols_ | karlpinc: no |
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| 15:34.02 | justin | autopsy: are you sure you need jigdo? really the only thing it does for you is save mirror space |
| 15:34.15 | Dunge | well actually I'm no expert on the principle behind NAND flash, that's why I came here to ask how to do it.. :) |
| 15:34.24 | justin | autopsy: and technically you could just mount the ext3 image on the server so you wouldn't need to store both the image and the files |
| 15:34.33 | karlpinc | wols_: We're talking NAND flash filesystems here with yaffs2 fs, which does it's own flash bad block remapping. |
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| 15:35.11 | karlpinc | Dunge: Me neither. |
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| 15:35.38 | Dunge | karlpinc : I'm thinking about leaving the mtd direct copy and use tar and files directly now.. will be longer but more safe |
| 15:35.38 | boludiko | i don't know how to send mail with mailx |
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| 15:35.56 | macman_ | hey all im trying to catch rtmp streams via rtmpdump and opera .. nothing is working .. does anyone else have methods that will work ? |
| 15:35.57 | boludiko | it's sends the mails but no to my address acount |
| 15:35.58 | karlpinc | Dunge: If the chips will write perfectly the first time you could make a perfect chip and then use dd on that. |
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| 15:36.16 | karlpinc | Dunge: So your original will have no bad blocks. |
| 15:36.17 | Dunge | karlpinc : it comes from the factory with already data on it |
| 15:36.38 | Dunge | I want different data |
| 15:36.45 | karlpinc | Dunge: Ah. |
| 15:37.32 | TPC | hello, my system crashed and now that I rebooted my external harddrive won't mount anymore, seems the ext3 filesystem on it is corrupt. here is the output from dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/71230/ |
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| 15:37.41 | karlpinc | Dunge: I think then you need to rely on yaffs2 to do your bad block remapping, which means using tar et-al. |
| 15:37.45 | TPC | is there anything I can do to get it to mount again, or some other way to recover those files? |
| 15:37.48 | Dunge | yeah.. |
| 15:37.56 | Dunge | I'll just use my script to partition, then use eraseall to format the two last partition, mount them as yaffs2 (let it handle errors) and un-tar files from my usb stick to it. Will takes over an hour for each but hey no choice I guess |
| 15:38.12 | Vroomfondle | TPC: have you fscked it? |
| 15:38.19 | TPC | Vroomfondle, yes, says bad superblock |
| 15:38.36 | karlpinc | Dunge: Still, how can you be sure that your new partitions will "stick" and won't get errors in the process? |
| 15:38.56 | Dunge | stick? |
| 15:39.00 | karlpinc | Dunge: I know. Ask the yaffs2 folks! They know. |
| 15:39.10 | Dunge | lol |
| 15:39.24 | karlpinc | Dunge: If writing sometimes does not work, and that's what yaffs2 is for, then writing partition tables won't always work either. |
| 15:39.39 | karlpinc | Dunge: Seriously, they're the experts. |
| 15:40.09 | Liquid-Silence | how can I force sound to go through my usb headeset? |
| 15:40.13 | Liquid-Silence | and not the speakers? |
| 15:40.30 | Dunge | I dunno, fdisk handle the paritioning, while they are NOT mounted with yaffs2, and it actually worked the 3 times I tried it. I just know I have to start partition at certain multiples offsets |
| 15:40.45 | Vroomfondle | TPC: http://blog.edseek.com/archives/2004/02/25/ext3-filesystem-bad-superblock-recovery/ looks useful? |
| 15:41.20 | karlpinc | Dunge: I'd expect that. It's probably not got 512B hardware blocks so bad thing happen if your partition tables are mis-aligned from the underlying block size. |
| 15:41.21 | Dunge | from the factory building my device : "This is because the NAND is set up with 128kbyte sectors, yaffs does not know how to talk to the chip if you dont set them up on these boundaries" |
| 15:41.25 | TPC | Vroomfondle, I'll check it, thanks |
| 15:42.05 | Dunge | and he told me I can fdisk just fine, just make sure they are not mounted |
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| 15:42.28 | [Elvis] | hej guys, I'm trying to find mod_log.so....anyone know where I can find this/ |
| 15:42.43 | Dunge | anyway thx for the heads up |
| 15:43.01 | Dunge | gonna try to create a script with that |
| 15:43.10 | karlpinc | Dunge: When push comes to shove we (you and me) don't understand the technology well enough to make excellent choices right now. |
| 15:43.41 | karlpinc | Dunge: Why is it so slow? Is the write speed on the flash slow? |
| 15:43.49 | Dunge | yeah.. problem is that not a lot of people seems to understand the technology |
| 15:44.52 | Dunge | karlpinc : I guess it's the cpu that is slow... actually copying with cp the whole flash takes 20min, un-tar takes about 1h |
| 15:45.21 | Dunge | well the cp was from a sdcard, and the un-tar from a usb stick so it could be different |
| 15:45.22 | Dunge | anyway |
| 15:45.54 | TPC | Vroomfondle, that guide seems overly extensive, why not just run mkfs with the dry run option rather than creating a file the exact same size as the partition and creating a real fs on that? |
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| 15:46.10 | TPC | Vroomfondle, however I tried running fsck with all superblocks the dry-run option gave me and none worked |
| 15:46.28 | kirai | salut |
| 15:46.59 | Dunge | kirai : c'est anglais ici,.. tu peut aller sur #debianfr |
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| 15:53.21 | TPC | brute-forcing it now to try to find a valid superblock, trying dumpe2fs with every superblock between 1 and 100000 |
| 15:53.41 | TPC | its at 9000 so far, so not as slow as I feared |
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| 16:06.52 | 94SAAGSKC | Hi , I cannot remember the name of the command to display the cpu usage of each cpu? |
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| 16:09.21 | wols_ | benji12: top |
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| 16:09.53 | benji12 | top gives you the overall cpu usage (for all you cpus) |
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| 16:10.26 | karlpinc | Dunge: But think twice before using mtdblock in read-write mode. And don't try to use it on NAND flash as it is does not handle bad eraseblocks. http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/general.html |
| 16:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | benji12, press 'h' |
| 16:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3rd line of shortcuts |
| 16:11.28 | karlpinc | Dunge: There should be no difference between cp -a and tar -xpf on a mounted filesystesm. |
| 16:11.57 | newsense | hmm i got exim installed for local mail delivery only but it is not working, when i installed Debian i setup a domain name when it asked and now i get "mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 16:12.37 | newsense | i see in the log it's trying to send local mail to user@localdomain |
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| 16:13.40 | karlpinc | newsense: perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" |
| 16:13.57 | newsense | karlpinc: yeah i tried that but same thing |
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| 16:14.16 | karlpinc | newsense: /etc/mailname ? |
| 16:14.18 | newsense | and it's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:14.39 | newsense | karlpinc: has my localdomain |
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| 16:15.34 | karlpinc | newsense: Stopped and restarted the daemon? (Dunno. I always use postfix and it always works for me.) |
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| 16:15.55 | newsense | karlpinc: yeah that didn't work either, i can't find anything wrong really |
| 16:16.15 | karlpinc | newsense: Pastebin the log and maybe somebody will help. |
| 16:16.25 | newsense | ok |
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| 16:16.34 | newsense | thanks for the help karlpinc |
| 16:16.43 | LemensTS | anyone backup files from centos to debian via rsnapshot? Im not sure how you let it cp files from the centos without issuing the SU cmd |
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| 16:16.59 | LemensTS | since you cant ssh as root on centos |
| 16:17.27 | garaguas | hi, i'm having a problem with evince, some pdf files look like this http://imagebin.ca/view/BVvTRo7a.html |
| 16:17.40 | nrg | if ii want to backup and restore the mbr without the partition scheme is right this dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/to/image count=1 bs=512 dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdx count=1 bs=446 ?? |
| 16:17.54 | karlpinc | LemensTS: Use public/private keys, and change the centos config to allow root to do this. But that's offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:18.00 | garaguas | but with xpdf i can see it without problem |
| 16:18.22 | TAD_ | X question: scrolling when dragging with 2 fingers on the touchpad doesn't persist; I always have to use gpointing-device-settings to get that behaviour |
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| 16:18.51 | LemensTS | karlpinc: yea im using public/private keys to allow for the connection between the 2 with a user. I guess i got to enable root now on centos than? |
| 16:18.55 | garaguas | looking at the linked lib of evince i found that libxcb-render and libxcb-render-util are missing |
| 16:18.56 | karlpinc | nrg: That's plausable, for copying the MBR anyway. But why change the blocksize when copying back? |
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| 16:19.00 | TAD_ | I mean when I restart, I lose that functionality |
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| 16:19.26 | karlpinc | LemensTS: No. Just public/private keys for root. Which might already be enabled, or not. |
| 16:19.47 | nrg | let say that i want to change the partition scheme:( |
| 16:19.54 | themill | LemensTS: You can, you presumably just need to "PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only" and set your key up to only allow the key to rsync. "/msg dpkg ssh without passwd" for how to limit it to rsync |
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| 16:19.57 | LemensTS | karlpinc, ok thanks ill look into that |
| 16:20.29 | garaguas | someone? |
| 16:20.41 | karlpinc | nrg: You're on the right track, but I don't recall the numbers. |
| 16:20.59 | LemensTS | themill: ok thanks i am looking into that also |
| 16:22.53 | garaguas | hi, i'm having a problem with evince, some pdf files look like this http://imagebin.ca/view/BVvTRo7a.html |
| 16:22.59 | TAD_ | garaguas: what version u using |
| 16:23.13 | TAD_ | of evince? |
| 16:23.19 | nrg | karlpinc : the number is ok the question is if is needed to do anything more in order the new partition scheme to be ok?? |
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| 16:24.03 | garaguas | TAD_: both 2.28.1 and 2.30.1 |
| 16:24.30 | garaguas | from testing/unstable the first and from experimental the last |
| 16:24.47 | TAD_ | garaguas: testing has 2.28.2 |
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| 16:25.58 | garaguas | TAD_: yes, i'msorry the correct is 2.28.2-1 |
| 16:26.02 | TAD_ | garaguas: maybe u should update and/or send file through so I cab reproduce |
| 16:26.12 | TAD_ | s/cab/can |
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| 16:26.39 | Vicfred | how do I stop gdm from starting when I boot? |
| 16:27.03 | garaguas | TAD_: this one for example http://www.cfar.umd.edu/~daniel/daniel_papersfordownload/CoplanarPts.pdf |
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| 16:27.28 | Kostas | hello to all . i have a problem with mrtg and install of this . i advise the info from the original site and i cant make it to work ... any help ? |
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| 16:28.19 | leOn | hello .. is there any easy "debian way" to create packages for php pear modules? |
| 16:28.23 | llua | Vicfred, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 16:28.38 | TAD_ | garaguas: looks good here |
| 16:28.46 | Vicfred | thanks |
| 16:29.16 | garaguas | TAD_: yes i know, i have others debian box and looks good with them too |
| 16:29.42 | TAD_ | garaguas: system up-to-date? |
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| 16:30.29 | Kostas | any help ?! |
| 16:30.30 | garaguas | the problem is my installation, yes TAD_, dist-upgraded this morning |
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| 16:31.07 | TAD_ | garaguas: am running testing here |
| 16:31.10 | Titan8990 | Kostas: you would be more likely to get help with a better explination of your problem. "can't make it work" does not cut it |
| 16:31.26 | Kostas | ok i will tell it different |
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| 16:31.54 | garaguas | TAD_: what i can see in my evince is that two libraries are not linked to, compared with others well-instaled ones |
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| 16:32.18 | Titan8990 | garaguas: check the bts, file a bug report |
| 16:32.31 | TAD_ | those u can re-install together with evince; hav u tried that? |
| 16:32.42 | garaguas | TAD_: here is my ldd /usr/bin/evince http://pastebin.sluc.org.ar/128 |
| 16:33.27 | garaguas | TAD_: yes, evince and evince-common |
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| 16:35.31 | garaguas | Titan8990: ok |
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| 16:36.53 | TAD_ | garaguas: can u reinstall libxcb-render-util0 and check |
| 16:37.25 | garaguas | TAD_: ok |
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| 16:39.02 | garaguas | TAD_: no change |
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| 16:39.30 | TAD_ | garaguas: reinstall all 3 at once? |
| 16:39.40 | chops1 | So I have a makefile that seems like it should be auto-generating an .hpp file, but it isn't (and the build is failing because the .hpp is required due to automatically-detected dependencies). What gives? Appropriate output snippets are at http://pastebin.com/UyB4JEEx |
| 16:40.05 | leOn | is there anything similar to dh-make-perl, but to php pear modules? |
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| 16:40.46 | garaguas | TAD_: Configurando evince-common (2.30.1-1) ... |
| 16:40.48 | garaguas | Configurando libxcb-render0 (1.6-1) ... |
| 16:40.48 | garaguas | Configurando libxcb-render-util0 (0.3.6-1) ... |
| 16:40.48 | garaguas | Configurando evince (2.30.1-1) ... |
| 16:40.58 | garaguas | no change |
| 16:41.07 | themill | leOn: yes. And take a wild guess what it might be called. |
| 16:41.07 | Titan8990 | ,versions evince |
| 16:41.08 | judd | evince -- etch: 0.4.0-5; lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny1; sid: 2.28.2-1; squeeze: 2.28.2-1; experimental: 2.30.1-1 |
| 16:41.16 | TAD_ | garaguas: interesting one |
| 16:41.29 | Titan8990 | garaguas: your running a version from expermintal... seriously, check the bts and file a bug report |
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| 16:41.46 | leOn | geesh ... |
| 16:41.56 | TAD_ | garaguas: bug can't go further than that with my lil' mind :( |
| 16:42.03 | TAD_ | garaguas: file a bug |
| 16:42.56 | leOn | themill: i should have seen that one coming.. Thanks =) |
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| 16:44.14 | themill | leOn: np |
| 16:44.16 | Fare | lintian tells me source: missing-debian-source-format -- what does that mean? |
| 16:44.28 | garaguas | TAD_: and Titan8990 ok, thanks |
| 16:44.39 | TAD_ | kool |
| 16:44.53 | themill | Fare: lintian-info -t missing-debian-source-format |
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| 16:45.53 | Breaking_Pitt | Fare I have found the same problem today with my debian package so, take a look at all the lintian help carefully |
| 16:46.03 | Breaking_Pitt | all of your anwers are in the help |
| 16:46.08 | Breaking_Pitt | ;) |
| 16:46.33 | Breaking_Pitt | I have a doubt, where I tell the package that I need to install MySQL Server to use it? |
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| 16:47.24 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: have you read the new maintainer's guide yet? |
| 16:47.25 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: your saying your packaged app is non-functional without mysql? or it just limits the functionality? |
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| 16:47.57 | Breaking_Pitt | themill, yes I read it but I have diggest to much info today ;) |
| 16:48.19 | Breaking_Pitt | Titan8990, the first one, |
| 16:48.33 | Breaking_Pitt | it works but it needs the mysql server installed |
| 16:48.38 | Breaking_Pitt | sorry the second one |
| 16:48.39 | Breaking_Pitt | :) |
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| 16:49.18 | themill | Breaking_Pitt: perhaps take break then.... and you might find it beneficial to look at how some other similar things in debian are already packaged so you can learn by example too. |
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| 16:49.44 | Fare | ok, done (I hope) |
| 16:50.01 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt: that would typically make mysql a recommends |
| 16:50.12 | Breaking_Pitt | ok thanks |
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| 16:52.46 | Fare | themill, thanks a lot! |
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| 16:59.20 | TAD_ | X question: how do I set scrolling when dragging with 2 fingers on the touchpad so it lasts between X resets; gpointing-device-settings doesn't help in that regard |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | your xorg.conf |
| 17:00.00 | r3m | Hi, I would like to add accentued character in a text file. but it display strange character... I dont remember what to type to get the iso for french lang |
| 17:00.45 | r3m | in text mode |
| 17:01.08 | TAD_ | abrotman: doesn't exist |
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| 17:01.35 | TAD_ | abrotman: am running testing |
| 17:01.53 | Titan8990 | !tell TAD_ about synaptics |
| 17:01.53 | TAD_ | abrotman: is there any other way? |
| 17:02.11 | Titan8990 | TAD_: if it doesn't exist, you can create it... |
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| 17:04.59 | TAD_ | Titan8990: will do, thanks; I thought there was an easier way maybe than fiddling with config files |
| 17:05.53 | babilen | TAD_: Configuring it in your xorg.conf is the preferred way - read the synaptics manpage, it will answer most of your questions. Also "/msg dpkg xorg config squeeze" to learn about xorg.config creation on squeeze |
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| 17:06.56 | babilen | TAD_: I'm not sure if there is some specific gnome magic you could use with "gnome-mouse-properties" |
| 17:07.21 | babilen | TAD_: You should make sure that your touchpad is autoconfigured as synaptics for that to work though |
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| 17:09.04 | TAD_ | babilen: thanks for mouse-properties thing |
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| 17:09.19 | TAD_ | babilen: will check if the setting persists across lgouts |
| 17:09.43 | babilen | TAD_: good luck - tell me if it does please |
| 17:09.54 | babilen | (or if it does not) |
| 17:10.03 | TAD_ | babilen: won't now; am running tests I'd rather not interrupt |
| 17:10.21 | babilen | i'll be here :) |
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| 17:13.33 | lamik_ | Hello, how can i test how version i have (debian)? Lenny or sid? |
| 17:14.22 | Dunge | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:14.47 | lamik_ | 5.0.4 is lenny or sid? |
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| 17:15.18 | babilen | lenny |
| 17:15.20 | Dunge | lenny I guess |
| 17:15.37 | lamik_ | Ok, but lenny don't have pack KDE4? |
| 17:15.43 | babilen | no |
| 17:16.04 | TAD_ | lamik_: less /etc/debian_version |
| 17:16.46 | babilen | lamik_: Squeeze will ship qith kde4 |
| 17:16.53 | babilen | s/qith/with |
| 17:16.54 | lamik_ | Is only gnome? |
| 17:16.56 | lamik_ | Or other? |
| 17:17.01 | babilen | What? |
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| 17:17.38 | lamik_ | I need other.. I don't like gnome.. But lenny don't have kde.. |
| 17:17.50 | themill | dpkg: tell lamik_ about install kde |
| 17:17.55 | babilen | sure it does, just not kde4 |
| 17:17.56 | ferr | lenny has kde3 |
| 17:18.03 | wols_ | lamik_: lenny has kde3 and it works just fine |
| 17:18.28 | lamik_ | O.o, ok.. How can i install kde3? Can i use apt-get? |
| 17:18.38 | babilen | lamik_: dpkg just told you about that |
| 17:18.39 | themill | lamik_: check the message that dpkg just sent you |
| 17:18.54 | lamik_ | Ok |
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| 17:20.23 | arch3angel | afternoon everyone - i am trying to upgrade openssl on a debian lenny box and I am getting dependancy error openssl: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) but 0.9.8g-15+lenny6 is to be installed |
| 17:20.23 | arch3angel | E: Broken packages |
| 17:20.37 | abrotman | lamik_: in lenny? squeeze/sid ? |
| 17:21.01 | themill | !wayttd arch3angel |
| 17:21.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, arch3angel? |
| 17:21.09 | themill | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 17:21.11 | judd | libssl0.9.8 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; sid: 0.9.8n-1; squeeze: 0.9.8n-1 |
| 17:23.06 | tuvwx | can i set editor to be 'emacsclient -nw' ? |
| 17:23.10 | lamik_ | dpkg is boot :D? |
| 17:23.11 | dpkg | lamik_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:23.17 | lamik_ | Or normal preson? |
| 17:23.57 | lamik_ | i write apt-get install kde-core -- and terminal download and istall 90mb |
| 17:24.04 | lamik_ | This is all ? All Kde? |
| 17:24.15 | babilen | lamik_: no, it is the *core* ;) |
| 17:24.20 | themill | lamik_: that's not what dpkg told you. |
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| 17:27.23 | arch3angel | i am trying to upgrade openssl due to a security issue |
| 17:28.10 | themill | arch3angel: precisely which one? a CVE number would be handy. Also, /msg dpkg security backports |
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| 17:28.29 | arch3angel | i dont have that info - i was just told to upgrade it |
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| 17:29.33 | nifty | when a kernel update is released via repositories, where can I see the changelog for the current debian kernel update? |
| 17:29.39 | themill | arch3angel: by whom? The chances are, whatever it is you're seeking to fix has already been fixed in lenny anyway. but we can't verify that without a CVE number. |
| 17:29.51 | axolx | i have "PasswordAuthentication no" on my sshd_config. is there a way to make an exception just for 1 user? |
| 17:30.05 | arch3angel | let me see what i can find and get back |
| 17:30.06 | axolx | allowing that user to log in with a password? |
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| 17:32.36 | SerajewelKS | axolx: man sshd_config, look at "Match" |
| 17:32.51 | mguy | Fetching ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/vmlinuz |
| 17:32.53 | mguy | Error: [Errno ftp error] (113, 'No route to host') |
| 17:33.00 | axolx | SerajewelKS: thank you. looking now |
| 17:33.04 | mguy | I get that error while trying to create a dom |
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| 17:33.41 | mguy | domU, rather. But I can open that directory on the mirror from FTP |
| 17:34.09 | oreo | Hey everyone! Is it possible to make debian get a unicast RA while still forwarding traffic? |
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| 17:40.44 | n3hima | ubuntu's new volume manager style thing allows you to select sound cards to configure and capture from. is there a way I can perform the same tasks in Debian (using pulseaudio) |
| 17:41.13 | n3hima | (my problem is that I want to select one mic of 3 sources, one on each sound device) |
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| 17:49.40 | valdyn | n3hima: run "pavumeter" |
| 17:49.49 | valdyn | n3hima: oops, err |
| 17:50.08 | valdyn | n3hima: "pavucontrol" |
| 17:51.44 | valdyn | n3hima: but you dont need to ask us, you can trivially look which program you run and then find the same program in debian |
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| 17:55.35 | oreo | anybody here into ipv6 who can help me out? |
| 17:55.48 | babilen | oreo: It's all fixed now |
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| 17:56.04 | oreo | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 17:56.33 | SerajewelKS | oreo: i'm into ipv6, but i don't think you can have a router box also function as a non-router box |
| 17:56.48 | babilen | oreo: All your problems are solved - or you have to convince me that they are not, by telling me about them. It would help if you could provide relevant output and error messages/logs/... as well |
| 17:56.55 | SerajewelKS | oreo: if you have a box that has a router, then it doesn't need a router |
| 17:57.15 | SerajewelKS | oreo: or rather if you have a box that *is* a router |
| 17:57.19 | babilen | oreo: Note that there is #ipv6, which *might* be the better channel. There is also #debian-ipv6 on oftc |
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| 17:57.52 | oreo | babilen: i provided my problem a bit ago... |
| 17:58.14 | babilen | oreo: ah, sorry - i overlooked that :-\ |
| 17:58.38 | oreo | babilen: np |
| 17:58.53 | oreo | SerajewelKS: it's on the router itself |
| 17:59.23 | SerajewelKS | oreo: then presumably you want /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/ethN/accept_ra |
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| 17:59.42 | oreo | SerajewelKS: it has it. but it doesn't seem to get unicast RA's when forwarding is on too |
| 17:59.55 | SerajewelKS | oreo: as it shouldn't |
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| 18:00.25 | oreo | so how can i have my local network connect to the remote network through my router's single IP? |
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| 18:00.51 | valdyn | oreo: thats what a router does |
| 18:00.52 | Titan8990 | oreo: is your router capable of functioning as a VPN client? |
| 18:01.00 | valdyn | oh |
| 18:01.03 | valdyn | or that |
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| 18:01.10 | Titan8990 | valdyn: the question was unclear... |
| 18:01.15 | SerajewelKS | oreo: perhaps try turning on accept_ra_defrtr on the external interface? |
| 18:01.18 | valdyn | still unclear to me |
| 18:01.27 | valdyn | oreo: you sound like someone who has no idea about networking |
| 18:01.30 | SerajewelKS | oreo: also, it's a good idea to explain wtf you're doing so we don't have to guess |
| 18:01.35 | Arrowmaster | sounds more like trying to use NAT with IPv6 |
| 18:01.47 | oreo | Titan8990: it's currently a vpn client for a remote network |
| 18:01.48 | Arrowmaster | which btw is just wrong |
| 18:01.51 | valdyn | oreo: in which case you should just state your actual goal, not means that you dont understand |
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| 18:02.18 | oreo | Arrowmaster: i know it's wrong; it's just to try things out |
| 18:02.37 | valdyn | oreo: nat with ipv6 isnt any different than nat with ipv4 |
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| 18:02.43 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: there isn't even a mechanism in debian for ipv6 nat, so he couldn't possibly be doing that unless he has hacked on his kernel |
| 18:03.06 | Arrowmaster | theres a mechanism for ipv6 nat period? |
| 18:03.07 | Titan8990 | valdyn: I was under the impression that ipv6 was not capable of NAT, but had something similar |
| 18:03.21 | valdyn | Titan8990: nat is not a function of ipv6 or ipv4 |
| 18:03.31 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: ipv6 nat should be as transparent as ipv4 nat. it's just that it's useless, so nobody has bothered to write it. |
| 18:03.32 | oreo | valdyn: my router is both connected to a v6 tunnel and an openvpn server that does v6. I want my local computers that get a v6 address from the block i get with my broker to be able to connect to computers on the other side of the openvpn tunnel. |
| 18:03.34 | Arrowmaster | by 'wrong' i didnt mean 'incorrect' but more of 'dear god why would you do that!' |
| 18:03.42 | valdyn | ( but i dont actually know if iptables provides the facilities required ) |
| 18:03.44 | newsense | oreo: radvd |
| 18:04.01 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: iptables does; ip6tables does not |
| 18:04.05 | oreo | newsense: i don't think you got my goal |
| 18:04.21 | newsense | i guess not if iptables was suggested |
| 18:04.49 | newsense | ahhh i see |
| 18:04.50 | newsense | sorry |
| 18:04.52 | oreo | newsense: i already use radvd to distribute the block i get from my broker. |
| 18:04.55 | SerajewelKS | it sounds like he's not sure how the openvpn client/router box is getting it's default router from upstream? |
| 18:05.12 | SerajewelKS | its* |
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| 18:05.37 | oreo | SerajewelKS: my router gets link-local RA's each time, and only gets unicast RA's when not set to forwarding |
| 18:06.03 | oreo | if it forwards, then it doesn't get an IP and thus machines cannot connect to it and i can't host anything |
| 18:06.07 | valdyn | oreo: ah, i know that *feature* |
| 18:07.15 | valdyn | oreo: i dont remember how i "fixed" it. looking |
| 18:07.15 | oreo | if it doesn't forward, it gets a unicast but the local net wouldn't be able to communicate with the other side |
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| 18:07.16 | SerajewelKS | turn off forwarding until you have an ip, then turn it on? :> |
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| 18:07.26 | oreo | SerajewelKS: any other option? lol |
| 18:07.29 | SerajewelKS | oreo: but seriously, with ipv6 you should have a static address you can use |
| 18:07.43 | SerajewelKS | oreo: dynamic allocation is meant for leaves, not branches |
| 18:08.00 | oreo | SerajewelKS: for now it's through openvpn with dynamic. i'll get a block if i stay longer and start peering with others |
| 18:08.25 | SerajewelKS | oreo: and they don't have any howto about this? |
| 18:08.38 | valdyn | oreo: you should probably give it a static ip |
| 18:08.47 | oreo | it's a parallel network and don't do much on it. it's just for connecting to their irc server from my own computer without having to start a vpn on my own comp |
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| 18:09.06 | SerajewelKS | oreo: i've been using sixxs and their client software sets up the tunnel for me, including my local IP (which is static) and my default route (which is static) |
| 18:09.13 | SerajewelKS | oreo: so in theory i could do it all myself |
| 18:09.16 | oreo | valdyn: that could be an option, but i can't see why linux would not get a unicast if forwarding is on... |
| 18:09.35 | valdyn | oreo: its not about "getting a unicast" |
| 18:10.18 | oreo | SerajewelKS: this has nothing to do with the broker though |
| 18:10.25 | oreo | valdyn: what is it then? |
| 18:10.27 | SerajewelKS | oreo: my home and my web server are all ipv6. since i host my own MTA, it's fun watching the logs and seeing that there really are a lot of domains out there that have stable enough ipv6 to deliver mail using it. |
| 18:10.31 | SerajewelKS | oreo: it does |
| 18:10.37 | SerajewelKS | oreo: your broker should have assigned you a static endpoint |
| 18:10.43 | SerajewelKS | oreo: if they did not, they are stupid |
| 18:10.53 | oreo | SerajewelKS: but my problem is not with the broker!!! |
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| 18:11.08 | oreo | as i wrote in what seemed to be a clear statement of my problem |
| 18:11.25 | oreo | i have a block from hurricane and distribute it through radvd |
| 18:11.25 | SerajewelKS | oreo: oh, right. well the broker should enforce certain things like that. (sixxs requires that all the tunnels support various things... and they must all give you a static endpoint.) |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | oreo: linux ipv6 does not take a dynamic ip when its a router, which is implied by forwarding being enabled |
| 18:11.51 | SerajewelKS | oreo: it is clear.. the behavior of your broker is what's unclear |
| 18:11.57 | SerajewelKS | oreo: or tunnel provider, rather |
| 18:12.07 | oreo | valdyn: ah that explains; seems logical in a bit. is there anyway to override? |
| 18:12.14 | SerajewelKS | i've never seen a broker that required endpoints to be dynamic |
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| 18:12.20 | valdyn | oreo: i dont remember, im looking again |
| 18:12.24 | SerajewelKS | provider, sorry... keep mixing up those terms |
| 18:12.28 | oreo | SerajewelKS: you're confusing 6to4 tunnel and openvpn tunnel |
| 18:12.43 | SerajewelKS | oreo: my tunnel is neither, and i'm not confusing anything |
| 18:12.49 | SerajewelKS | oreo: a tunnel is a tunnel is a tunnel |
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| 18:13.08 | SerajewelKS | oreo: also, #ipv6 should be able to answer this pretty quickly :) |
| 18:13.25 | oreo | SerajewelKS: re-read my problem. valdyn got it |
| 18:14.01 | SerajewelKS | oreo: i understand your problem. i'm saying your tunnel provider is braindead. :) |
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| 18:14.29 | SerajewelKS | oreo: why you need to do what you do makes perfect sense. why your provider requires you to do this is not. i'm not saying you can answer that, or that you even care. |
| 18:14.42 | oreo | SerajewelKS: it's an openvpn tunnel; not a real provider. a dynamic v6 is logical here |
| 18:15.09 | oreo | it's a tunnel that connects me to a parallel network |
| 18:15.15 | SerajewelKS | oreo: openvpn is as real as any other tunneling protocol. lots of production environments use openvpn. |
| 18:15.16 | valdyn | i have the same problem with virtual machines on a server that is supposed to get dynamic ip |
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| 18:15.28 | valdyn | so that server is *not* going to get a static ip |
| 18:15.46 | Titan8990 | uses openvpn in production |
| 18:15.56 | oreo | right |
| 18:16.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it sounds like the VM problem could be solved by bridging the interfaces, while this problem cannot... correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 18:17.19 | oreo | i'd like my router to be able to use autoconf even with forwarding, since my local net already has a block through my Hurricane Electric assignment |
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| 18:18.09 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: right |
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| 18:19.27 | oreo | valdyn: so would forcing a static ip be the only solution? |
| 18:19.37 | valdyn | oreo: its a good one i think yes |
| 18:20.08 | valdyn | oreo: might even consider running its own radvd since it really is a router |
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| 18:20.56 | oreo | valdyn why should it run radvd? i don't want it to distribute ip's... |
| 18:21.16 | valdyn | oreo: its has forwarding traffic |
| 18:21.18 | SerajewelKS | how else are you distributing your block? |
| 18:21.22 | valdyn | oreo: that implies that its a router |
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| 18:21.48 | valdyn | oreo: if it is a router then it should distribute ips unless you want to give static ips to the clients of that router |
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| 18:22.02 | oreo | gimme a minute |
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| 18:22.12 | valdyn | oreo: but if it has no clients then it does not need forwarding |
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| 18:25.27 | valdyn | oreo: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ipv6@lists.debian.org/msg03883.html |
| 18:26.50 | SerajewelKS | usually if you have a dynamic ipv6 address, you can't forward traffic anyway because the upstream router doesn't know that your endpoint is associated with any subnet |
| 18:26.55 | oreo | valdyn: thanks; as the guy said, it's a bit logical |
| 18:27.05 | thrashold | If I want to write an application that mounts/unmounts removable storage, which libraries/daemons should I look at? I know hal does it, but it is getting deprecated IIRC, and I don't know which part of HAL I should be looking at |
| 18:27.23 | oreo | SerajewelKS: that means that if i set a static ip then the server won't be able to forward traffic to me... |
| 18:27.24 | valdyn | thrashold: look into existing solutions |
| 18:27.33 | valdyn | thrashold: they do have source code.... |
| 18:27.58 | thrashold | valdyn: I don't want to read C++ now :/ Also, if HAL is getting deprecated, and most of them use HAL, it wouldn't help me much :) |
| 18:27.59 | SerajewelKS | oreo: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 18:28.06 | valdyn | thrashold: hal is irrelevant, youre supposed to use dbus anyway, not hal |
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| 18:28.29 | thrashold | valdyn: Do the replacement implement the same interface? |
| 18:28.48 | valdyn | thrashold: thats realy not our problem that you're lazy to study |
| 18:28.49 | tao | Can someone help me setting up alsa to record my entire sound card? I want to record all sounds on my computer. I use this config: http://codepad.org/I0r1wair however when i run mplayer i get this error: http://pastebin.com/tEu10HdJ |
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| 18:29.08 | SerajewelKS | oreo: usually, tunnel providers have to know that your endpoint has a specific subnet behind it, so they can route replies back to your network |
| 18:29.09 | thrashold | valdyn: Hm? Study what? I don't know where to look at :) |
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| 18:29.15 | oreo | SerajewelKS & valdyn: if i set a static ip on my router and allocate myself a block, the upstream vpn server won't be able to return traffic to me, right? |
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| 18:29.38 | SerajewelKS | oreo: if it knows about your static address, yes, it should be able to |
| 18:29.38 | valdyn | oreo: why not? |
| 18:29.50 | greedo | and the chaos begins |
| 18:30.18 | oreo | valdyn: it's set to distribute ip's through RA. my debian router is like a normal client to it. |
| 18:30.29 | SerajewelKS | oreo: again, if you are getting a dynamic address, chances are very good that you won't even be able to use the public block you have assigned to your LAN. the upstream router won't know about it. these things typically have to be set up statically, so that your provider knows where to route traffic to your block. |
| 18:30.39 | valdyn | oreo: either you get a subnet or you get a single ip |
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| 18:30.49 | valdyn | oreo: if you get a single ip then you obviously cant route more than 1 ip |
| 18:31.05 | greedo | points to us.archive.ubuntu.com |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn | oreo: if you get a subnet its surely big enough to be segmented into smaller subnets that you can all use freely |
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| 18:31.58 | valdyn | oreo: like sixxs giving me a /48, thats larger than all the ipv4 adresses |
| 18:31.59 | oreo | valdyn: based on my tcpdump log it's not getting a block it seems |
| 18:32.26 | SerajewelKS | and if you get a single ip, then your upstream needs to know to route traffic for the subnet you are using behind your router |
| 18:32.32 | SerajewelKS | usually that doesn't happen with dynamic assignments |
| 18:32.35 | valdyn | oreo: talk to them |
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| 18:32.51 | SerajewelKS | routing isn't magic, they have to know you plan to host your own subnet and what it is so they can route back to you |
| 18:32.58 | oreo | i know |
| 18:33.16 | SerajewelKS | and if you don't have a static ip, then the routing destination for that is a moving target, and most providers don't do it that way because it's stupid to |
| 18:33.19 | oreo | i guess they should change their RA so at least /52's are announced |
| 18:33.31 | valdyn | oreo: right |
| 18:33.41 | valdyn | oreo: that might be an option anyway |
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| 18:33.56 | oreo | dunno why they didn't do something like that in the first place... |
| 18:34.03 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 18:34.09 | valdyn | oreo: harder to set up? |
| 18:34.10 | SerajewelKS | and in that case, you would need to bridge, no? |
| 18:34.21 | johnfg | I just leased a static ip address and have a couple of questions. |
| 18:34.23 | valdyn | oreo: discourage noobs from abusing ipv6 |
| 18:34.48 | oreo | valdyn: i guess they could run vpn on another port for bigger blocks |
| 18:34.51 | johnfg | Should I change the info in /etc/hosts to the static ip vs. the 192.168.1.107 of the router? |
| 18:34.53 | valdyn | oreo: sixxs for example simply make you jump thru some hoops that random script kiddie will fail |
| 18:35.19 | johnfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.29 | valdyn | johnfg: whatever you want |
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| 18:35.42 | johnfg | I mean networkmanager |
| 18:35.58 | valdyn | johnfg: you can put whatever you want into /etc/hosts |
| 18:36.05 | johnfg | valdyn, Would there be a reason *not* to put the static ip in /etc/hosts? |
| 18:36.06 | valdyn | johnfg: just dont remove the localhost mapping |
| 18:36.15 | johnfg | valdyn, Right. |
| 18:36.26 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: is this on the router itself, or on a box behind the router? |
| 18:36.42 | valdyn | johnfg: sure, i would not confuse myself with /etc/hosts entries if i had to maintainer 3 digit number of servers |
| 18:36.50 | johnfg | SerajewelKS, It's on the box behind the router. |
| 18:36.52 | valdyn | johnfg: makes adjusting to changes harder in that case |
| 18:36.57 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: then you should not add the public IP |
| 18:37.06 | beardy | Routing protocols exist for a reason. |
| 18:37.08 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: unless your router does hairpin NAT, which most don't |
| 18:37.40 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: did he say that he wants to assign his box an ip that it doesnt really have? |
| 18:37.41 | oreo | valdyn: how do i find out the exact block announced by an upstream router? |
| 18:37.41 | johnfg | How do I check to see if reverse dns is set up properly? |
| 18:37.49 | valdyn | oreo: ask them |
| 18:38.05 | valdyn | oreo: the block isnt "announced" |
| 18:38.07 | Titan8990 | johnfg: dig -t PTR <your IP> |
| 18:38.20 | valdyn | oreo: its either routed or not, and trial and error is a waste of time in that case |
| 18:38.20 | beardy | johnfg: or 'host x.x.x.x' |
| 18:38.27 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i think he has a hosts entry that maps a name to his router, and he wants to know if he should change the mapping so that it points to the router's public IP instead of the private one |
| 18:38.40 | oreo | valdyn: so there's no way to know in advance if my router gets a routable block or if it's a /128? |
| 18:38.41 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: if that understanding is correct, then he should not touch his hosts file |
| 18:38.50 | valdyn | oreo: nope |
| 18:39.15 | valdyn | oreo: or ... depends |
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| 18:39.24 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: dig -x is easier to remember :) |
| 18:39.31 | valdyn | oreo: we dont know which routes or if any routes are pushed to your router |
| 18:39.52 | valdyn | oreo: "ip -6 route" will probably show you |
| 18:39.59 | oreo | valdyn: the only route that's pushed is the upstream router through local link |
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| 18:41.12 | valdyn | oreo: *I* dont get a route pushed, I only know my /48 by having requested a well documented subnet |
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| 18:41.19 | SerajewelKS | oreo: and in this case, we don't care as much about the routes you are pushed (which tells you how to route things), we care about what blocks the upstream will route to you |
| 18:41.23 | oreo | valdyn: would it be possible to NAT then if i can't get them to give me a block? |
| 18:41.39 | valdyn | oreo: no, we already discussed that linux does not do ipv6 nat |
| 18:41.52 | oreo | sorry, didn't see that part... |
| 18:41.52 | SerajewelKS | oreo: not today. the kernel doesn't implement any NAT mechanism for ipv6. |
| 18:41.59 | SerajewelKS | (thank god) |
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| 18:42.17 | simonrvn | i though ipv6 didn't *do* nat anyway (maybe wrong impression) |
| 18:42.18 | valdyn | oreo: really, talk to your provider |
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| 18:42.30 | valdyn | simonrvn: ipv6 cant avoid nat |
| 18:42.35 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: nat is a function of the router, not the protocol itself |
| 18:42.43 | valdyn | thats the whole point of nat on ipv4 too |
| 18:42.52 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: true |
| 18:43.08 | SerajewelKS | just like mail... you can't prevent a mail delivery center from putting your envelope in another one and changing the return address to them |
| 18:43.27 | simonrvn | gets it |
| 18:43.38 | simonrvn | thanks people |
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| 18:43.59 | oreo | well thanks for the help valdyn and SerajewelKS |
| 18:44.04 | SerajewelKS | anytime |
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| 18:44.20 | setuid | /tmp/geoip-1.4.4.dfsg# ./debian/rules |
| 18:44.21 | setuid | -bash: ./debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 18:44.23 | setuid | What would cause this? |
| 18:44.35 | SerajewelKS | make is not o+x? |
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| 18:44.38 | setuid | Sure is |
| 18:44.40 | simonrvn | chmod +x yet? |
| 18:44.45 | simonrvn | rules file |
| 18:44.49 | setuid | both are +x |
| 18:44.51 | setuid | owned by root |
| 18:45.00 | simonrvn | mounted noexec? |
| 18:45.06 | SerajewelKS | is make a symlink somewhere else? is its target executable? |
| 18:45.07 | setuid | # /usr/bin/make -v | head -1 |
| 18:45.08 | setuid | GNU Make 3.81 |
| 18:45.21 | setuid | ahh, that was it... /tmp/ is noexec |
| 18:45.25 | simonrvn | i see you're in /tmp, so |
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| 18:45.35 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: clever |
| 18:45.51 | simonrvn | process of elimination ;) |
| 18:46.03 | simonrvn | i gtg, have fun |
| 18:46.14 | SerajewelKS | i never think of mount options :/ |
| 18:46.24 | valdyn | smart is such a pos |
| 18:46.30 | valdyn | !smart |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | smart is, like, the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure; ask me about <smartd>. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 18:46.39 | valdyn | hah |
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| 18:46.53 | GigsWork | I'm running squid3 (up to date lenny version) as a transparent proxy. Every now and then, it causes the load average to go up to 1.0 and everything gets really slow until I restart squid. Normal load average runs around 0.1 or less I can't seem to locate a bug report about this. Has anyone else experienced it? |
| 18:47.07 | simonrvn | hehe @ "what I definitely am" |
| 18:47.12 | Argafal | i'm looking for software to use my laptop's infrared interface to control my tv. is there something in debian (preferably) or does such a thing exist at all? |
| 18:47.12 | setuid | GigsWork, 1.0 is fine... that 99% under-utilized ;) |
| 18:47.53 | setuid | GigsWork, check your cache_dir directive, tune that |
| 18:48.22 | valdyn | dpkg: smart ~= s/<smartd>./<smartd>. SMART can also be unreliable. No reason to believe it blindly without further testing./ |
| 18:48.23 | dpkg | valdyn: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 18:48.28 | GigsWork | setuid: tune it in what way? |
| 18:48.30 | valdyn | dpkg: go die |
| 18:48.30 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go die, go die, just damn go. Home. |
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| 18:48.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: you wanted =~ |
| 18:48.59 | valdyn | dpkg: smart =~ s/<smartd>./<smartd>. SMART can also be unreliable. No reason to believe it blindly without further testing./ |
| 18:48.59 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 18:49.06 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
| 18:49.09 | valdyn | yay |
| 18:49.18 | zero_ | is #emdebian where I want to be for help with emdebian packages? |
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| 18:49.38 | Titan8990 | !tell zero_ about emdebian |
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| 18:49.54 | valdyn | and most annoyingly windows (7) refuses to install to disks with (false) smart positives |
| 18:49.56 | Titan8990 | zero_: yes, but not on this server |
| 18:50.12 | doubleclick | is this general linux issue or my irc client's -- http://debian.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QRwWP0QH |
| 18:50.18 | doubleclick | and how can i solve it? |
| 18:50.20 | Titan8990 | valdyn: you can usually disable SMART from your BIOS |
| 18:50.40 | SerajewelKS | i thought SMART was an HD feature, not a BIOS feature |
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| 18:51.15 | qwd | doubleclick: I'm guessing it's a selfsigned ssl certificate..? what irc client are you using? |
| 18:51.17 | valdyn | Titan8990: hmm, i should have known that |
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| 18:51.36 | doubleclick | qwd: it is and i;m using weechat |
| 18:51.40 | Titan8990 | doubleclick: tell the server owner to fix their TLS or connect without? |
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| 18:52.00 | valdyn | doubleclick: cacert.org could give you free valid certs |
| 18:52.13 | qwd | doubleclick: http://ircreport.com/news/clients/104-weechat-ssl-certificates.html |
| 18:52.19 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and as a bonus, nobody trusts them by default! |
| 18:52.40 | valdyn | actually, my debian does |
| 18:52.41 | doubleclick | ok Titan8990 qwd valdyn tnx ;) |
| 18:52.43 | qwd | doubleclick: http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_user.en.html |
| 18:53.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'd estimate <1% of computers will accept them, even if kept up to date from their OS developer... |
| 18:53.23 | qwd | doubleclick: I just googled weechat ssl. You could either add the certificate so that it's approved or just choose not to verify certificates |
| 18:53.37 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: of course, i use cacert too, but meh. always have to tell people to import the root. |
| 18:53.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: right |
| 18:53.47 | doubleclick | i'm a lousy googler i guess.. :) |
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| 18:53.54 | doubleclick | qwd: thank you ;) |
| 18:54.02 | qwd | doubleclick: no problem. good luck |
| 18:54.14 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it's at least marginally better than self-signed |
| 18:54.55 | qwd | SerajewelKS: nah, doesn't matter |
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| 18:55.09 | SerajewelKS | qwd: what do you mean? |
| 18:55.30 | qwd | SerajewelKS: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/1334254/Government-Could-Forge-SSL-Certificates |
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| 18:56.01 | valdyn | thats not even needed |
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| 18:56.18 | valdyn | no one reads the certs anyway |
| 18:56.24 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the govt can do what the fuck it wants anyway |
| 18:56.37 | SerajewelKS | erm, qwd ^^^ |
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| 18:57.48 | qwd | SerajewelKS: well the point was that a selfsigned certificate isn't any less secure. it might be a bit more convenient but that's another thing |
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| 19:00.31 | Guest47720 | How would I find bugs specific to upgrading from stable to testing? |
| 19:01.47 | itchi | well if you didn't change your nick several times ... apt-listbugs can maybe help you |
| 19:02.00 | qwd | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html this is only release critical though |
| 19:03.03 | itchi | apt-listchanges is nice too! |
| 19:03.26 | Titan8990 | if your a squeeze/sid user |
| 19:03.45 | SerajewelKS | qwd: right. btw, this is my favorite comment in the whole discussion. spot on. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1596654&cid=31626326 |
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| 19:15.52 | denysonique_ | hi |
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| 19:17.01 | denysonique_ | how can I list what files does a particular package provide? |
| 19:17.20 | petemc | dpkg -L package, provided its installed |
| 19:17.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching package, provided its installed |
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| 19:18.18 | denysonique_ | thanks |
| 19:18.49 | denysonique_ | can some one tell me how can I get a pxelinux image using apt-get? |
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| 19:21.49 | emerica | Looking for a cli app that can give me the lowest DB level of an mp3 file, any idears? |
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| 19:24.44 | Requia | anybody know where I can find instructions on connecting to wireless from command line? |
| 19:25.20 | fefo | iwconfig ? |
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| 19:25.57 | Requia | That's the command, i think, the documentation isn't really readable |
| 19:26.31 | pegasus-rider | Prompt please if Lenny's Xen kernel requires initial RAM disk? |
| 19:26.55 | frostschutz | emerica: sox can do a whole lot of stuff... |
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| 19:28.23 | petemc | pegasus-rider: it does, theres info on the debian wiki |
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| 19:29.37 | pegasus-rider | Would you please give me a link? I read documentation, even that on Debian Wiki, but... |
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| 19:30.13 | petemc | pegasus-rider: type 'debian wiki xen' into google.. |
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| 19:31.26 | jhutchins | Requia: Actually, man interfaces should give you enough to go on. |
| 19:31.40 | pegasus-rider | BTW, when w3m(1) was first included into Debian base package set? |
| 19:32.27 | Titan8990 | pegasus-rider: search the snapshots website for the earliest refernce of it |
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| 19:33.16 | jhutchins | denysonique_: syslinux-common |
| 19:34.20 | denysonique_ | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 19:36.53 | pegasus-rider | Well, I read it again, and there's no solution, nor there's initrd for the kernel in question it seems |
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| 19:38.24 | pegasus-rider | ... and without it, even / won't be mounted... |
| 19:38.59 | petemc | pegasus-rider: install the xen-linux-system package and you get everything you need |
| 19:39.03 | axolx | anyone know how to set the umask for openssh chrooted SFTP logins? |
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| 19:41.55 | pegasus-rider | I did |
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| 19:43.38 | pegasus-rider | Should I file a bug report or something, or it is my error? |
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| 19:44.14 | pegasus-rider | Anyway, it's unlikely that such a bug would slip into stable unnoticed... |
| 19:44.22 | jhutchins | pegasus-rider: Do you know how to create an initrd? |
| 19:44.23 | Titan8990 | axolx: there is possibly a better way but you could set it in their .bashrc |
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| 19:44.54 | petemc | pegasus-rider: bug? |
| 19:45.00 | axolx | Titan8990: I didn't think that file gets read in openssh chrooted SFTP logins. |
| 19:45.42 | Titan8990 | axolx: oh, probably doesn't... what is their default shell actually set to? |
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| 19:46.01 | axolx | Titan8990: /bin/false |
| 19:46.12 | pegasus-rider | jhutchins: I need to? It's a bug then :-) |
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| 19:46.24 | Titan8990 | axolx: yeah, no idea. maybe try #openssh |
| 19:46.42 | axolx | Titan8990: yep, asked there to. thank you! |
| 19:46.49 | petemc | pegasus-rider: it might help if you explained exactly what the problem is before you start talking about bugs |
| 19:47.57 | petemc | pegasus-rider: pastebin your menu.lst and the output of ls -l /boot/ |
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| 19:48.14 | pegasus-rider | It seems that Lenny's Xen kernel need an initrd, and there's no such in the package, even though / won't mount without it |
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| 19:57.05 | hsn | !kfreebsd |
| 19:57.06 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:59.48 | poncha|msec | guys, i need help configuring CLASSPATH for java on debian lenny. both sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk are installed , when i log in, CLASSPATH env is *empty* and when trying to compile a project which uses org.jdesktop.layout (jar of which i can find on the filesystem) , javac complains on missing package.. |
| 20:00.38 | poncha|msec | setting $CLASSPATH env to a path to the folder where that jar is doesnt change anything, either |
| 20:00.57 | pegasus-rider | http://debian.pastebin.com/zH6m370Y |
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| 20:03.24 | petemc | pegasus-rider: did you configure menu.lst or was it done automatically? can you also pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep xen |
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| 20:05.20 | pegasus-rider | I did for Xen. It's GRUB2 BTW, hence grub.cfg. As for packages... Trust me, I installed everything that was listed on Wiki and even more than that, I don't want to mess with a web form once again |
| 20:06.48 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 20:07.04 | petemc | pegasus-rider: i dont know grub2 but i dont see how that configuration would work. you normally need to load xen, and then load the kernel and initrd as modules |
| 20:07.30 | pegasus-rider | Good evening wildc4rd |
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| 20:07.51 | petemc | pegasus-rider: whats worked for me and lots of other people is to install the xen-linux-system package, not blithely installing anything with xen in the name |
| 20:08.03 | mv | hi all is there a debian squeeze iso that uses the GUI? |
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| 20:08.18 | Titan8990 | mv: uses what gui? |
| 20:08.31 | pegasus-rider | petemc it is how it goes, just initrd for the kernel in question is absent |
| 20:08.33 | Titan8990 | mv: the graphical installer? |
| 20:08.38 | mv | yes |
| 20:08.46 | Titan8990 | mv: should be all of them I would think |
| 20:08.47 | mv | the only version I found is the netinst |
| 20:08.56 | Titan8990 | mv: the netinst contains a graphical installer |
| 20:09.05 | mv | and that doesn't work with my macbook |
| 20:09.12 | mv | ...keyboard that is |
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| 20:09.55 | mv | Titan8998 let me be more specific on the lenny install there is the option for graphical or just install |
| 20:10.18 | themill | mv: the installer is the same on each CD |
| 20:10.26 | k\t | Titan8990: karma... |
| 20:10.51 | k\t | themill: karma... |
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| 20:11.25 | mv | @themill the netinstall version i have for squeeze doesn't work cause my keyboard is not supported or loaded correctly I guess I am trying to find another way to install squeeze |
| 20:11.33 | mv | on a macbook 1,1 |
| 20:11.36 | pegasus-rider | I installed it. As for 'more', I meant unstable hypervisor version and couple of other things that shan't get in the way of this packgage |
| 20:12.06 | themill | mv: install lenny and then upgrade is often more successful at this stage of the release cycle |
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| 20:12.50 | mv | @themill do you have any experience with installing lenny on a macbook? |
| 20:13.06 | themill | no |
| 20:13.12 | mv | I am having trouble at the grub install, which is odd since it worked fine when I installed ubuntu |
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| 20:14.07 | mv | themill ok thanks |
| 20:14.58 | mv | anyone else in here experienced with installing on a macbook? |
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| 20:18.34 | pegasus-rider | Would any one with a working Xen setup kindly list their /boot | grep it for a related initrd? |
| 20:18.57 | kallisto_ | i already asked this in ubuntu but no help, maybe its similar in debian. i have del my /boot/grub folder and need to recreate the "stage1" file. any ideas? |
| 20:19.08 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: any old initrd will work |
| 20:19.41 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: you just need the xen hypervisor loaded first |
| 20:19.46 | pegasus-rider | Nay, it won't :-( |
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| 20:20.12 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: what's the precise problem, then? |
| 20:20.22 | pegasus-rider | I get it running up to / mounting, at which point it obviously misses initrd |
| 20:20.25 | themill | kallisto_: try again in #ubuntu. |
| 20:20.36 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: if / is mounted, it no longer needs the initrd |
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| 20:20.51 | pegasus-rider | Old initrd images won't work, I tried it. |
| 20:21.02 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: what is the precise error you are getting? |
| 20:21.32 | pegasus-rider | Anyway, kernel's up and running under Xen, so it's not bootloader configuration or something |
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| 20:23.26 | pegasus-rider | Anything from /lib/modules/*xen*/*: no such file or directory in case of a missing initrd to kernel panic to Waiting for /... |
| 20:23.57 | pegasus-rider | s/missing/existing |
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| 20:24.18 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: that means that you haven't mounted / yet |
| 20:24.38 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: so you either 1) don't have an initrd 2) have an initrd which doesn't have the modules needed for / |
| 20:24.50 | pegasus-rider | Oh, I realised it now :-) |
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| 20:26.49 | pegasus-rider | So, would somebody ls /boot | grep initrd | grep xen? |
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| 20:29.38 | Titan8990 | pegasus-rider: find /boot -name 'initrd.img-*-xen' |
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| 20:31.01 | NiLon | I have one NIC, would it be possible to make two interfaces and having both use the same DHCP server but use different mac or similar? kind of idea is to get 2 dynamic ip's for use and isp is sharing those based on mac (atleast that is how I suspect it to work) |
| 20:31.07 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: it'll just be initrd-$(uname -r), as it is for all Debian kernels |
| 20:31.33 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: most ISPs only give one IP |
| 20:31.38 | pegasus-rider | I've got no such, that's the case... |
| 20:31.45 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: and if they give more than one, they give you static ones |
| 20:31.47 | pegasus-rider | I feel that either I'm a lamer or a tremendous bug slipped into stable unnoticed... |
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| 20:31.50 | NiLon | dondelelcaro mine will give multiple, I know that for sure |
| 20:32.07 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: then you either deleted it, or it wasn't created |
| 20:32.17 | NiLon | dondelelcaro those are dynamic tho |
| 20:32.20 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: they get created automatically when the kernel is installed |
| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | NiLon: The MAC comes from the actual NIC hardware, not the PC (unless you mess with it). |
| 20:32.49 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: then you can often give out a different MAC address in your discover request, but often that won't help |
| 20:33.02 | pegasus-rider | The second case is bug, right? |
| 20:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | NiLon: How are you going to connect two cards to the ISP though? |
| 20:33.18 | dondelelcaro | pegasus-rider: could be, but it certainly works for me |
| 20:33.39 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: you actually don't necessarily need to cards, as you can send packets with anything you want over the wire |
| 20:33.44 | dondelelcaro | s/to/two/ |
| 20:33.46 | pegasus-rider | Anyway, thank you guys |
| 20:34.02 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: That would constitute "messing with it". |
| 20:34.15 | NiLon | jhutchins_lt well my router is in bridge mode and it shares ip's based on mac, I have multiple NIC's having different ip's already, but just wondering if it would be doable with one NIC only |
| 20:34.27 | NiLon | as I know I can do this with 2 NICs |
| 20:34.49 | valdyn | NiLon: that would need a special nic I think |
| 20:34.57 | dondelelcaro | nah, just a normal nic will do it |
| 20:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | NiLon: Well, yeah, you can have multiple IP addresses and specify the MAC for each, I think, but what's the point? You're still only getting the badwidth the router gets. |
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| 20:35.20 | valdyn | NiLon: mac is on the ethernet layer which cannot be accessed by linux |
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| 20:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Most drivers allow you to override the MAC these days. |
| 20:35.59 | valdyn | NiLon: ( except that you can often change the mac |
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| 20:36.07 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i know.. |
| 20:36.26 | NiLon | jhutchins_lt point is to get 2 different ip's to use, bw isn't something that I'm after :) |
| 20:36.38 | valdyn | NiLon: now you would need hardware + driver supporting like a dual mac mode, i dont think that exists |
| 20:36.41 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: you can send raw ethernet packets too |
| 20:36.50 | NiLon | valdyn that I thought also |
| 20:37.04 | NiLon | well maybe I need to get somekind usb NIC then somewhere |
| 20:37.04 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: oh? so i can fake a 2nd mac ( if I first write the driver ) ? |
| 20:37.11 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: yes |
| 20:37.17 | valdyn | neat |
| 20:37.18 | valdyn | in theory |
| 20:38.12 | dondelelcaro | well, you actually don't even need to write the driver; the main issue is just doing something useful besides sending crafted packets and then receiving everything that comes across the wire |
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| 20:39.43 | valdyn | i mean id need to write a driver so apps can actually use that and not just my packet generator |
| 20:40.10 | SerajewelKS | a simple C program that uses tap could work easily enough |
| 20:40.37 | SerajewelKS | use libpcap to read and libnet to write to the physical interface. packets matching the MAC of your virtual interface you inject into the tap interface. |
| 20:40.48 | SerajewelKS | a hack but i bet you it would be simpler than writing a driver :P |
| 20:41.17 | valdyn | I see, yea |
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| 20:42.09 | fornext | currently version 1.5.5 of lyx is installed. Is it possible without building it out off source, to install version 1.6.5? |
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| 20:42.35 | dondelelcaro | fornext: get a backport if it exists, otherwise you'll have to backport it yourself |
| 20:42.49 | Titan8990 | ,versions lyx |
| 20:42.50 | judd | lyx -- etch: 1.4.3-3; lenny: 1.5.5-1; lenny-backports: 1.6.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.6.5-1; squeeze: 1.6.5-1 |
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| 20:42.52 | fornext | dondelelcaro, are you sure that it is a backport? |
| 20:43.04 | Titan8990 | fornext: yes, its available in backports |
| 20:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | fornext: We are now. |
| 20:43.48 | fornext | ok, I try it. thx. |
| 20:44.03 | NiLon | hmm could buy one of those http://www.a-link.com/uk/NA1GU.html?id=3rCczfLq and try it :) |
| 20:44.07 | HazardX | anyone know of a way to convert DXF to PDF? (commandline preferably) |
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| 20:44.39 | NiLon | just wondering if there will be drivers hehe |
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| 20:45.59 | mogunus | Hi, I'm on lenny, and I'd like to run lenny VM's. Just for a few headless web servers. |
| 20:46.00 | zamuro | when i'm upgrading via apt-get, a release note pops out... how do i close it and keep the upgrading? |
| 20:46.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: even a program that creates two tap interfaces and what goes in one comes out the other and vice-versa should work -- then you bridge one of those to the physical interface, and run a dhcp client on the other |
| 20:46.13 | mogunus | What VM option is best for this use case? |
| 20:46.50 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: chroots would be the fastest option, though that's not exactly a VM |
| 20:47.00 | Titan8990 | zamuro: that should be your $PAGER... so try "q" |
| 20:47.14 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: otherwise, xen is the virtualizer of choice for linux-on-linux |
| 20:47.14 | mogunus | SerajewelKS: I don't care so much about performance. I want portability more than that. |
| 20:47.15 | zamuro | Titan8990: Thx |
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| 20:47.26 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: eh? |
| 20:47.28 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: portability to what? |
| 20:47.41 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: muh? |
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| 20:47.49 | johnfg | In regards to reverse dns, is it right, better, whatever, to have just my domain spirit.org mapped to the static ip, or church.spirit.org? |
| 20:48.09 | SerajewelKS | johnfg: that's entirely up to you |
| 20:48.09 | mogunus | SerajewelKS: stuff in the cloud, I guess, or someone else's web server, or being installed directly onto another box, if the image outgrows my resources. |
| 20:48.14 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: I would call the "virtualizer of choice for linux-on-linux" one of the ones that is in the upstream kernel |
| 20:48.24 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: e.g. - openvz or kvm |
| 20:48.53 | johnfg | If I have just the domain, spirit.org, will that be enough for the programs that are looking for a reverse dns record? |
| 20:49.01 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: RHEL has dropped support for xen entirely in version 6 |
| 20:49.42 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: mmm perhaps it's changed in recent years then. i've always found kvm to be a bit sucky in terms of performance, but then again i haven't tried it in some years. |
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| 20:49.48 | Titan8990 | johnfg: the PTR record is different from your domain's records. it typically needs to be set by your ISP or hosting provider |
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| 20:50.06 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: red hat has been doing tons of work on kvm |
| 20:50.13 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: in that case, something like kvm or virtualbox |
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| 20:50.44 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: virtualbox runs on windows, linux, and os x. i think kvm is linux-only. |
| 20:51.04 | mogunus | SerajewelKS: I'm only going to host on linux, so that's not too much of an issue. |
| 20:51.18 | NiLon | virtualbox came kind of unstable on windows after sun messed with it |
| 20:51.18 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: typically though, virtualbox is used for workstation virtualization (e.g. i need to run windows shit on linux and wine doesn't work, or for development environments) but it could be used for servers too |
| 20:51.25 | johnfg | I've got the static ip through qwest, and it's allowing me to, or expecting me to say what domain I want to map to the static ip. |
| 20:51.28 | jimcooncat | mogunus: you may find that there's little difference between these technologies when it comes to the move. |
| 20:51.28 | SerajewelKS | NiLon: i've had no problems with it |
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| 20:51.51 | SerajewelKS | mogunus: then openvz, kvm, or xen, take your pick |
| 20:52.02 | NiLon | SerajewelKS I didn't have before I did press that update button.. :D |
| 20:52.38 | Titan8990 | johnfg: where/what is it expecting that? |
| 20:53.28 | solifugus | I need an internet-sharing firewall on a frontend web server merely to allow the backend mysql server to get debian lenny updates through the frontend. I can only find instructions on to do this NAT'd... I need the backend to have a static local IP address.. Any pointers? |
| 20:54.08 | johnfg | SSO from a win box running KFW and openafs. |
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| 20:54.17 | johnfg | So, ssh doing gssapi. |
| 20:54.22 | valdyn | solifugus: whats wrong with nat? |
| 20:55.56 | solifugus | valdyn: the backend mysql server needs to have a specific IP address... so the frontend production web server can point to it, consistently. |
| 20:55.58 | jimcooncat | solifugus: use an apt proxy on the frontend like apt-cacher, and close off everything else |
| 20:56.16 | valdyn | solifugus: thats totally unrelated to nat working |
| 20:56.30 | jimcooncat | solifugus: nat != dhcp |
| 20:56.33 | solifugus | jimcooncat: I was also looking at that.. |
| 20:57.16 | solifugus | jimcooncat and valdyn: you mean I can set it up for NAT and still give a static IP address? |
| 20:57.42 | solifugus | I have to be careful, I don't (yet) have a test environment... |
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| 20:57.57 | valdyn | solifugus: sure, I have no idea why you would think there was any correleation between static ip and nat |
| 20:58.00 | solifugus | the people who run the network and provision VMs are insane. |
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| 20:58.30 | solifugus | hmmm... ok |
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| 20:59.29 | jimcooncat | solifugus: yes, exactly like a little home network with one static IP computer behind a linksys router, that has a port forwarding (say ssh with port 8822 on outside to 22 on inside). That's NAT in action. |
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| 20:59.59 | fornext | dondelelcaro, Titan8990 thx, new version runs now. |
| 21:00.12 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when i make safe-upgrade ,the system stop updating openssh-client & openssh-server ,anyone know about this? |
| 21:00.30 | valdyn | solifugus: you can restrict nat to http. That way you get the limited attack vector of a proxy without the relatively high ressource usage of a proxy |
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| 21:00.33 | jimcooncat | solifugus: in that scenario, you have to use static IP, 'cause the linksys router's too dumb |
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| 21:01.13 | solifugus | jimcooncat: my concern with apt-cacher is two-fold: won't the backend machine be limited only to the packages apt-get downloads on the frontend server? and, the frontend server already has updates that the backend doesn't.. If I install apt-cacher now, won't it miss those particular updates? |
| 21:01.22 | solifugus | I could easily be wrong.. but need to know. |
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| 21:01.45 | jimcooncat | solifugus: no, and no. |
| 21:01.48 | valdyn | solifugus: youre wrong |
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| 21:03.24 | jimcooncat | solifugus: apt-cacher (and similar) are pretty simple, their only function is to store packages, and request from outside the ones they don't have in storage yet. |
| 21:04.57 | solifugus | ok.. then maybe It'll work best.. sure wish they'd let me have the dang test environment I've been asked for.. |
| 21:05.20 | solifugus | I'm use virtual box to try this out, first. |
| 21:05.52 | jimcooncat | solifugus: you should be all set using virtualbox |
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| 21:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: The whole idea of the cache programs is to forward requests for new or updated packages. |
| 21:06.31 | jimcooncat | solifugus: just some funny things you'll need to do to NAT |
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| 21:06.37 | solifugus | jimcooncat and valdyn: thanks, truly. |
| 21:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: The alternative is to run an actual mirror, which updates everything just in case. It's simpler but takes more space and bandwidth. |
| 21:06.57 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: With the cacher, you only download the packages you actually need, and only one copy of each. |
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| 21:07.24 | Janos | hey there guys, the bug reported here is affecting me http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547183, and i see that this bug has been fixed in version 2.6.26-22 of this package, but this package is not available yet by conventional means, "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" any idea when will this version will be available ? is there any place i could get it now ? |
| 21:07.42 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: we have a debian mirror for the use of the general public under something.ufl.edu but at some point they stopped updating our mirror for some reason. |
| 21:08.17 | jimcooncat | solifugus: and with the cacher, you'll want ALL your machines to use it. Sure makes it nice doing a new install with just a minimum image. |
| 21:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | Janos: That looks like a kernel version number, I believe there are newer ones availble for lenny. What release are you on? |
| 21:08.29 | kallisto_ | trying to install grub and i get: grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 Error 15: File not found |
| 21:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kernel |
| 21:08.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found. |
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| 21:08.46 | themill | ,kernels --release lenny |
| 21:08.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4) |
| 21:08.49 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when i make safe-upgrade ,the system stop updating openssh-client & openssh-server ,anyone know about this? |
| 21:09.05 | solifugus | jimcooncat: goes without saying.. faster me us, less load on somebody else's mirror.. |
| 21:09.14 | jhutchins_lt | Picky bot. |
| 21:09.35 | Janos | jhutchins_lt: using lenny and the latest version i see in my mirror is 2.6.26-21lenny4, should i change mirrors ? |
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| 21:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | Janos: Darned if I can figure out their kernel versioning. |
| 21:10.19 | jimcooncat | less bandwidth, more speed. Just need to make a choice between apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, and approx. I've had good luck with apt-cacher, though I've seen reports others haven't. |
| 21:10.28 | themill | jimcooncat: it's not hard... there's a package with a version. |
| 21:10.34 | themill | err... jhutchins_lt^^ |
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| 21:10.54 | jhutchins_lt | Janos: It looks to me like you might need to go to backports. |
| 21:11.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:11.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:11.16 | o2 | hi, i have a problem creating a debian live system with persistence features: |
| 21:11.24 | o2 | i did the following: |
| 21:12.38 | o2 | i partitioned the drive: sda1 (1 GB, unformatted, for binary.img), sda2 (500 MB, ext2, live-rw), sda3 (500 MB, ext2, home-rw), sda4 (rest of the drive, fat32, data partition) |
| 21:13.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Janos about s-p-u |
| 21:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | Janos: If I read that correctly, the official kernel is 2.6.26-21, you need at least -22, so you could go with backports, which would give you 32-11. |
| 21:13.31 | o2 | then i copied the binray.img to sda like this: dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sda1 bs=1 |
| 21:13.32 | themill | Janos: that kernel was, apparently, uploaded to stable-proposed-updates not directly to stable. |
| 21:13.46 | iatrou | A net-snmp related question: I am trying to test generation of DISMAN traps from net-snmp when a NIC cable is unplugged |
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| 21:13.59 | iatrou | In snmpd.conf I have what seems to be the appropriate configuration: linkUpDownNotifications yes |
| 21:14.08 | iatrou | I have also set 127.0.0.1 as a trapsink (v2) |
| 21:14.09 | jimcooncat | what's the care and feeding involved using a special kernel? I'd like to play with OpenVz when I set up my next server. Anything special I'll have to do during updates? |
| 21:14.12 | o2 | now, when i want to boot from the drive i just get a black screen with an unserscore and that's ist |
| 21:14.20 | jhutchins_lt | Janos: The nice thing about this is the new kernel will install in parallel with the current one so you at least won't loose ground. |
| 21:14.24 | iatrou | And configured snmptrapd to listen to localhost interface |
| 21:14.36 | iatrou | But still I don't get any traps from unplugged cables. |
| 21:14.49 | iatrou | Other DISMAN traps, e.g. snmpd restart get delivered. I am using NET-SNMP version 5.4.1 |
| 21:14.58 | iatrou | Any ideas what else can I check? |
| 21:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | o2: Sounds like you need to install grub correctly. |
| 21:15.19 | o2 | grub is not used for live systems, as far as is know |
| 21:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | o2: Oh yeah, syslinux. |
| 21:16.06 | o2 | an the strange thing is: if i do a "dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sda" instead of /sda1 (so using the entire drive) it works fine |
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| 21:16.46 | fruitwerks | anyone know why php (cli) can not find tar? |
| 21:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | o2: Sounds like syslinux is not set up to find itself on a partition. |
| 21:16.55 | o2 | ok |
| 21:17.03 | jhutchins_lt | fruitwerks: Not in the path? |
| 21:17.14 | o2 | can i solve that in the chroot config file? |
| 21:17.33 | Janos | themill: ahh ok, i was just a bit confused because the bug said "Version: 2.6.26-22 Distribution: stable", and another confusing thing is that the kernel versions included in testing and unstable already had this fix, but anyway i'm going to have a look a s-p-u |
| 21:17.39 | fruitwerks | jhutchins_LT - I can run tar just fine |
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| 21:17.57 | o2 | probebly that is in the config "binary" |
| 21:18.00 | jhutchins_lt | o2: Wow, chroot too? I don't think that would be where you'd find it, I think it would be in the config for syslinux' bootloader. |
| 21:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | fruitwerks: Yes, but you are not php. |
| 21:18.36 | fruitwerks | ahh.. where can fix that? |
| 21:18.37 | o2 | ah, ok. so you say, i should mount the image, search for the config and change that one? |
| 21:18.45 | themill | Janos: yeah, it's not completely obvious from the bug log there that the package was uploaded to s-p-u. |
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| 21:19.02 | jhutchins_lt | fruitwerks: Read your php docs and configs and figure out what it's setting up for it's environment & path. |
| 21:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | fruitwerks: I don't know the specific answer, but I have an idea where to find it. |
| 21:19.24 | johnfg | Titan8990, What are your thoughts about the reverse dns? |
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| 21:21.11 | Janos | themill: so, according to the docs in s-p-u, this kernel should be available in 5.0.5 right ? |
| 21:21.13 | Argafal | i have Debian lenny with backports. Following the recommendation in the instruction I put up a pin-priority of 200 for lenny-backports to allow automatic updates. i install packages using -t lenny-backports in aptitude. why would aptitude update && dist-upgrade not update anything for me? where there really no backports updates during one week? |
| 21:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: Don't do that. |
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| 21:21.50 | fruitwerks | jhutchins_lt it's a fairly basic setup, everything should be in the default places... it is lenny btw - I don't see anything particular in php.ini |
| 21:22.10 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: Backports are not meant to be a system-wide update, just specific packages you need for specific purposes. |
| 21:22.13 | themill | Janos: *probably*, but yes that's the intention. It would be unusual for the kernel to team to upload something that didn't make it into the next point release |
| 21:22.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: that sounds like what Argafal has done, doesn't it? |
| 21:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | fruitwerks: It's also possible your script is calling tar with an explicit path that's wrong. |
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| 21:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, wondering where "the instruction" he found came from. |
| 21:23.09 | Janos | themill: kk, thanks a lot for the info :) |
| 21:23.27 | themill | jhutchins_lt: sounds exactly like the bpo website (although they don't mention the dist- part of the upgrade) |
| 21:23.38 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: that's exactly how i'm using it. aptitude -t lenny-backports for specific packages (+their mandatory dependencies) and everything else from stable. i don't see any mistake here. |
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| 21:23.56 | themill | Argafal: how many backports have you actually installed? |
| 21:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: You shouldn't try to get ALL of the backports, only ones you need for a specific reason. I believe the instructions on the backports web page explain that. |
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| 21:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: Backports isn't "like stable, only better". |
| 21:24.40 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: ok, what part of "I use aptitude -t lenny-backports for specific packages" do i need to spell out better? |
| 21:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: Individual backports are fairly safe with an otherwise stable system. Adding multiple backports runs the risk of conflicts. |
| 21:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: No problem, I'm done. |
| 21:25.36 | action09 | oy |
| 21:25.38 | fruitwerks | ... the script does not have a hardcoded path, it checks for tar --help |
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| 21:26.13 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: gosh. you are preaching to the choir. but how did that answer my question of automatically updating the ones i got from backports? Even if it is more than 5, let's say 10 i don't see ANY point in taking care of those updates MANUALLY. |
| 21:26.40 | p3rror | is there a tool that convert hex to ascii |
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| 21:27.00 | p3rror | i can script a perl or pyton for that |
| 21:27.05 | fruitwerks | haha |
| 21:27.11 | p3rror | =( |
| 21:27.26 | themill | Argafal: how many backports have you actually installed? |
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| 21:28.02 | Argafal | themill: in the order of 5 to 10. i'd have to look it up. |
| 21:28.51 | themill | !bpo list |
| 21:28.51 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(backports.org))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 21:29.19 | themill | Argafal: but really, if you've only got a few packages installed like that, the chances of them being updated from week to week is fairly slim. |
| 21:29.43 | petemc | aptitude syntax can be fairly mind boggling |
| 21:29.56 | themill | petemc: line noise is the word you were looking for |
| 21:30.04 | petemc | aye |
| 21:30.18 | fruitwerks | if (hasCommand('tar --help')) |
| 21:30.19 | Argafal | themill: yeah, i see that point that it might be unlikely. still i have to check whether everything is working as i expect it to be. otherwise i might run into trouble trusting the update&&upgrade. |
| 21:30.25 | fruitwerks | that is what it checks |
| 21:30.26 | themill | petemc: "/msg dpkg not available" for something even more mind boggling. |
| 21:30.50 | petemc | heh |
| 21:31.00 | Argafal | themill: just imagine there is some critical bug somewhere and i wouldn't get the update due to a wrong pinning or something like that. |
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| 21:31.13 | themill | Argafal: it sounds like you've done everything right. You can use that aptitude search to get a list and double check with "apt-cache policy packagename" if you want. |
| 21:31.43 | karlpinc | Argafal: I too am curious. For some reason I expected if I installed from bpo that aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; would update from bpo too. |
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| 21:32.14 | themill | karlpinc: only if your pinning is > 100 |
| 21:32.15 | Argafal | karlpinc: not if you don't put up a pin. |
| 21:32.39 | denzil__ | whats a pin ? |
| 21:32.47 | themill | Argafal: alternatively, you can pull an old package from snapshots that was on bpo, install it and then see if it gets upgraded |
| 21:32.51 | themill | dpkg: tell denzil__ about pinning |
| 21:32.53 | Argafal | karlpinc: the packages of bpo are marked the way packages in experimental are marked. if you read the instructions from backports.org you'll find more details there. |
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| 21:33.47 | karlpinc | off to rtfm |
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| 21:36.17 | denzil__ | are backports used mainly for gui apps ..it's mainly what ive used them for |
| 21:37.57 | denzil__ | wouldnt image people running servers use backports |
| 21:38.07 | Argafal | themill: thanks, the hint with the list and apt-cache policy was a good idea. looks like there is simply nothing to update. but i'll keep an idea on it until i see the first update |
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| 21:39.46 | themill | denzil__: the occasional, carefully chosen package can end up on a server too (e.g. I had git-core from etch-backports on a couple of machines) |
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| 21:40.12 | karlpinc | Humm... Why wouldn't I want to pin bpo so I automatically get upgrades? Because it's not just security updates like stable but whole new releases? |
| 21:40.43 | themill | karlpinc: basically, yes. that's the only reason. |
| 21:41.09 | karlpinc | denzil__: And don't forget volatile.debian.org. Servers often need those. |
| 21:42.36 | denzil__ | im fairly new to debain ...whats volatile |
| 21:42.51 | themill | dpkg: tell denzil__ about volatile |
| 21:42.53 | denzil__ | debian* |
| 21:43.29 | denzil__ | so you add that line to /etc/apt/source.list |
| 21:44.02 | karlpinc | denzil__: Or something like it. See the url supplied for more info. |
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| 21:45.09 | denzil__ | so would have a line line lenny ..then have volatile and backports in a source.list ? ..or could you ? |
| 21:45.21 | Trewas | using lots of packages or automatically updating from backports sounds very dubious use of "stable" debian |
| 21:46.24 | denzil__ | i thought apt/aptitude was fairly straight forward but im beginning to wonder |
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| 21:47.58 | denzil__ | lenny is stable ? |
| 21:48.39 | ham5 | lenny is stable. |
| 21:48.45 | ham5 | squeeze is testing. |
| 21:48.48 | ham5 | sid is unstable. |
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| 21:49.22 | denzil__ | so sid now lenny and squeeze is forthcoming |
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| 21:50.21 | themill | denzil__: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 21:57.12 | denzil__ | thats a long way ahead sid ...how long before that would be release 3 years |
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| 21:57.28 | wad | Any of you guys know of an app that will ping certain boxen on the network, and generate an HTML report on their status? |
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| 21:57.42 | ungage | no but it sounds quite easy to script |
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| 21:57.49 | dondelelcaro | wad: like munin? |
| 21:58.12 | wad | dondelelcaro, I don't know, does munin ping boxen on the LAN and generate an HTML document with their status? ;) |
| 21:58.17 | wad | looks up munin |
| 22:00.06 | wad | decides to try munin, even though it's a huge overkill. |
| 22:00.41 | denzil__ | so with testing and unstable so far ahead debian must be secure |
| 22:00.43 | wad | I've got seven hacked XBoxen at home; I think it would be fun to put up a web page showing which ones are on at any given time (my dhcp server gives each its own IP address based on MAC address). |
| 22:01.37 | ham5 | im sure it could be done with perl or php wad |
| 22:02.16 | wad | ham5, yes of course, but maybe it could be done quicker with something that already exists. |
| 22:02.23 | wad | <---- lacks infinite time |
| 22:02.29 | ham5 | ahh :) |
| 22:02.39 | wad | At worst, I waste time and learn how to use munin. |
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| 22:09.25 | dondelelcaro | wad: munin is probably the easiest to configure thing, even though it's probably overkill |
| 22:09.41 | wad | is almost done configuring it already. |
| 22:09.44 | dondelelcaro | wad: just aptitude install munin-node; on the other machines, aptitude install munin; on the central one, and add them |
| 22:09.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 22:12.25 | denzil__ | so is it possible to update to sid ? |
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| 22:12.57 | ham5 | I wouldent |
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| 22:13.09 | denzil__ | but it would be |
| 22:13.09 | ham5 | sure anythings possible |
| 22:13.15 | denzil__ | yeah |
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| 22:13.48 | ham5 | do testing.. use some sid packages youll be ok imo |
| 22:14.30 | denzil__ | ham you got a link to source.list say stable,unstable and testing |
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| 22:15.00 | ham5 | use yours and copy paste? |
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| 22:15.57 | denzil__ | well if i wanted to use testing how where would i get the link |
| 22:16.23 | ham5 | change lenny to squeeze in your sources |
| 22:16.31 | autopsy | What is this all about guys with jigdo-file, it seems to be detecting the same file at many many offsets when creating templates and jigdo files. Match of `./var/log/lastlog' at offset 537504005 Match of `./var/log/lastlog' at offset 537649713 Match of `./var/log/lastlog' at offset 537795421 Match of `./var/log/lastlog' at offset 537941129 |
| 22:16.45 | autopsy | That is just 4 lines, trust me it goes on and on and on and on.. |
| 22:16.49 | denzil__ | ok im give it ago see what how it goes |
| 22:17.02 | autopsy | lastlog is a empty file, if this makes a difference. |
| 22:18.15 | autopsy | Someone care to open scan.hh or something and tell me if this is supposed to be this way. I've looked briefly but decided I could not track this issue down right away. |
| 22:18.32 | autopsy | scan.hh is in the jigdo tarball on the website. |
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| 22:19.19 | themill | denzil__: given your obvious lack of experience with debian, I'd really suggest you don't do that just now |
| 22:19.48 | denzil__ | i wont only if i was going to reinstall |
| 22:19.49 | ham5 | do it do it! just dont come back asking for help |
| 22:20.49 | themill | !spank ham5 |
| 22:20.49 | dpkg | bends ham5 over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 22:21.32 | ham5 | !stab themill |
| 22:21.32 | dpkg | runs at themill with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 22:21.50 | jelly-home | !botabuse |
| 22:21.50 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:21.58 | ham5 | :) |
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| 22:32.14 | ponyofdeath | hi, trying to preseed debian squeeze and cant seem to be able to disable the network configuration dialogues tried "d-i netcfg/enable boolean false" with no luck. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 22:35.10 | mogunus | Does the version of nouveau in sid do multihead? |
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| 22:46.28 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ..... i was about to install Debian 5 and it told me to choose the network hardware driver ...i selected the driver ..but it keeps looping into that step ....any fix ? |
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| 22:46.48 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: why are you installing in expert mode? |
| 22:47.09 | cobra-the-joker | dondelelcaro , its normal mode |
| 22:47.20 | cobra-the-joker | i choosed normal mode |
| 22:47.36 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: at the syslinux prompt you just pressed return, right? |
| 22:47.56 | cobra-the-joker | dondelelcaro , no ...autorun in windows |
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| 22:48.16 | dondelelcaro | hrm; no clue about how well that works |
| 22:48.33 | cobra-the-joker | dondelelcaro , so best thing to choose from boot ? |
| 22:48.48 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: assuming you're booting off the cd, you should just be able to press return |
| 22:49.08 | cobra-the-joker | ok i will try now |
| 22:49.19 | cobra-the-joker | BTW ...can i run it on 256 ram ? |
| 22:49.28 | dondelelcaro | yes, though that's a bit suboptimal |
| 22:49.56 | cobra-the-joker | no need for optimality :D |
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| 22:52.34 | laurus | Has anyone here seen the new Xfce icons in Debian Squeeze that just showed up a few days ago? |
| 22:54.58 | bp0 | no |
| 22:55.06 | bp0 | shot link? |
| 22:55.16 | laurus | Just a sec ;) |
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| 22:55.24 | laurus | I'm specifically referring to the ones in Iceweasel |
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| 22:57.31 | laurus | Where can I post a screenshot bp0? |
| 22:58.07 | themill | picpaste.com |
| 22:58.15 | laurus | Thanks themill |
| 22:58.32 | laurus | They look like this: http://picpaste.com/iceweasel_xfce_squeeze.jpg |
| 22:58.39 | fefo | i would say /dev/null ;) |
| 22:58.50 | fefo | but i wont |
| 22:58.53 | laurus | And there are a bunch of other ones that are similarly tasteless... |
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| 22:59.08 | laurus | They seem to have replaced almost every single icon in Xfce |
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| 22:59.40 | bp0 | ... well those are interesting |
| 22:59.46 | laurus | Aren't they ugly? |
| 22:59.47 | laurus | :p |
| 22:59.50 | bp0 | yeah |
| 23:00.05 | laurus | There are a ton of others like those strewn around the OS now |
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| 23:00.39 | laurus | They all suddenly showed up about 3 days ago |
| 23:00.51 | laurus | I really want my old icons back, I'm embarassed to show this computer to anyone now :p |
| 23:02.28 | laurus | Maybe I just have to trust that the old ones will come back someady? |
| 23:02.30 | laurus | someady? |
| 23:02.34 | laurus | someday?! Geez sorry :p |
| 23:02.39 | bp0 | holy hell http://picpaste.com/tastatur.gif |
| 23:03.05 | bp0 | oh sorry, looking at pictures on this picpaste site |
| 23:03.09 | laurus | It's okay |
| 23:03.11 | bp0 | yeah, ugly icons |
| 23:03.12 | bp0 | too bad |
| 23:03.15 | laurus | Do you know how I can get the old ones back? |
| 23:03.20 | laurus | Like, what package is that? |
| 23:03.27 | laurus | I can't believe it even changed the Iceweasel ones! |
| 23:04.02 | bp0 | maybe get a different icon theme |
| 23:04.04 | bp0 | http://xfce-look.org/ |
| 23:04.06 | laurus | How? :p |
| 23:04.09 | bp0 | if they have those |
| 23:04.10 | laurus | Ah, thanks |
| 23:04.18 | laurus | I just can't believe this is the new default theme |
| 23:04.26 | laurus | Which desktop do you use? Not Xfce I presume |
| 23:04.39 | Titan8990 | laurus: if you want things to work like they did yesterday (and look like they did yesterday), you run stable |
| 23:04.49 | Titan8990 | !tell laurus about moving target |
| 23:04.52 | laurus | Titan8990, heh, I know, but won't stable eventually look like this? |
| 23:05.21 | Titan8990 | laurus: when squeeze is stable. but the point is then, it won't be pushed onto your system unexpectidly |
| 23:05.36 | laurus | Titan8990, well I don't really care that it's suddenly changed, I just wish it wasn't going to be like this in the future... |
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| 23:06.13 | Titan8990 | laurus: file or comment on an existing bug report. give your input |
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| 23:06.26 | laurus | Titan8990, okay, I shall. Do you know what package it is that controls all of this? |
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| 23:07.12 | Titan8990 | laurus: probably gnome-themes |
| 23:07.31 | laurus | Titan8990, but I'm on Xfce |
| 23:07.52 | Titan8990 | laurus: they are the same. they are actually gtk themes and apply to both |
| 23:07.59 | laurus | Ah ok ;) |
| 23:08.31 | laurus | Here goes. |
| 23:08.41 | Titan8990 | laurus: there is xfwm4-themes for the titlebars only |
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| 23:08.53 | laurus | Titan8990, yeah, I'm talking about the icons |
| 23:08.54 | Titan8990 | laurus: titlebars would differ |
| 23:08.58 | Titan8990 | yep |
| 23:09.03 | laurus | They've changed almost every single icon in the entire thing and they're almost all terrible |
| 23:09.12 | Agrajag- | g'day, i am trying to do a pxe install with current lenny but it is not detecting my ethernet devices. it is the same issue reported/fixed here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565353 - it says it will be included inthe next stable update, 5.0.5. i'm guessing this hasn't been released yet? they say it will be available in stable-proposed-updates - where can i find that? i'm guessing i just need an updated linux |
| 23:09.25 | laurus | The Screenshot toolbar icon is ugly, the Iceweasel icons are ugly, the "minimize all and show Desktop" toolbar icon is ugly, etc. |
| 23:09.35 | Titan8990 | laurus: different, but I didn't really think terrible... |
| 23:09.36 | LordVorp | what's the preferred place, in deb, to set kernel parameters at boot? e.g. echo 8192 > /proc/net/tcp/blahblah/max_connections, etc. |
| 23:09.46 | laurus | Titan8990, well maybe I shouldn't report it then :) Hehe |
| 23:09.55 | laurus | I really liked the GNOME icons in Debian Lenny |
| 23:10.00 | laurus | To me, those looked the best |
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| 23:10.24 | Titan8990 | LordVorp: kernel paramaters go in the commented section of menu.lst, followed update-grub |
| 23:10.39 | Titan8990 | assuming grub-legacy |
| 23:10.52 | jonrohan | working on a new site, what's your feedback? http://thislittlemarket.com/ |
| 23:11.10 | LordVorp | Titan8990: !!! not /etc/rc.local or thereabouts? |
| 23:11.16 | LordVorp | looks at menu.lst |
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| 23:11.45 | Titan8990 | LordVorp: rc.local can run commands at boot... it does not pass a kernel paramater |
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| 23:11.59 | LordVorp | ok i'm not communicating effectivly. |
| 23:12.01 | Titan8990 | LordVorp: when you make changes /proc/sys, that can go in sysctl.conf |
| 23:12.08 | LordVorp | that's better... |
| 23:12.20 | LordVorp | sysctl.conf was what I was thinking of |
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| 23:13.00 | Titan8990 | LordVorp: yes, but it threw me off that your path did not include sys/, so I thought a kernel parameter might really be what you wanted |
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| 23:38.56 | Tortel | could anyone else confirm that gnome in sid has a bug so the desktop and nautilus dont work? |
| 23:39.09 | ham5 | work fine for me |
| 23:39.19 | ham5 | just up'd to nautilus 2.30 today too |
| 23:39.57 | ham5 | mabey version numbers... what what 'dont work' would be more helpful |
| 23:40.21 | Tortel | no icons/cant click on desktop, nautilus wont start |
| 23:40.59 | ham5 | errors/logs when you tryin runnin nautilus? |
| 23:41.08 | \amethyst | Tortel: have you tried logging out and back in? You might need to start a new session with the upgraded session manager |
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| 23:41.23 | ham5 | :\ |
| 23:41.25 | ham5 | if thats the case |
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| 23:43.15 | Tortel | \amethyst, ive rebooted after installing updates, so that shouldnt be an issue |
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| 23:44.51 | Tortel | heh, should have checked for errors. sure enough, theres a symbol lookup error |
| 23:45.08 | Tortel | oop, prob found it |
| 23:45.34 | Tametomo | Anyone here running Sid and trying to avoid using HAL for automounting support (since it's been deprecated for a bit)? |
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| 23:45.49 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 23:45.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:46.02 | pbdl | hello everyone! |
| 23:46.10 | ham5 | !everyone |
| 23:46.33 | jordanm[titan] | Tortel: its been deprecated from xserver. that doesn't mean that HAL is deprecated entirely |
| 23:46.39 | Tortel | Tametomo, Im running sid without hal right now. automounting still works, but I dont know what is doing it now |
| 23:46.42 | jordanm[titan] | although, it may have... |
| 23:47.14 | hideo | !tell Tametomo about hal |
| 23:47.16 | Tametomo | HAL is gradually being replaced by udev |
| 23:47.38 | ham5 | really |
| 23:47.43 | Tametomo | And yes, I do know what HAL is. |
| 23:47.50 | Tametomo | Yes really |
| 23:47.54 | ham5 | so you dont need hal if u have udev? |
| 23:48.09 | themill | emphasis on "gradually" |
| 23:48.12 | Tortel | yeah, fixed gnome. some package was at a custom version of 2.28, and not being marked for upgrade |
| 23:48.34 | pbdl | i'm trying out fcheck. It places a file in /etc/cron.d/ . I'm wondering how should i disable it, as i don't need it as a cron job. Can anyone help me? |
| 23:48.44 | Tametomo | I've been able to get automount support to work within XFCE, but thought that I'd try to swap mounting strategies, since I'd like to move away from it. |
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| 23:49.10 | ham5 | remove the file from /etc/cron.d/? |
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| 23:49.33 | Tametomo | It's not really all that different for me, since before, automounting would mount as read-only, and I'd have to unmount and remount it to work. |
| 23:49.45 | jordanm[titan] | Tametomo: I have not heard news of hal being deprecated for autmounting |
| 23:50.21 | pbdl | ham5: sure i could do that, and it occurred to me, but i prefer to just leave it somewhere, disabled. Do i move it somewhere, rename it so it can't be executed? |
| 23:50.38 | Tametomo | HAL as a project is completely deprecated now. udev is set to replace it. |
| 23:50.45 | ham5 | crons gonna run everything in there so.... |
| 23:50.58 | ham5 | put it in your home... |
| 23:51.02 | ham5 | I donno |
| 23:51.11 | Tametomo | Like I said, it's gradually being replaced. I think that the new gnome is supposed to be HAL-free, but I'd have to double check. |
| 23:51.21 | Tametomo | The version in Debian isn't yet, though |
| 23:51.52 | Tametomo | xserver doesn't use it anymore at all, at least |
| 23:52.08 | jordanm[titan] | is glad he didn't spend the time to learn hal fdi rules when hal was included in xserver |
| 23:52.29 | pbdl | ham5: thank you for your help. To be sure, there's no official guideline/tip/suggestion that you know of? |
| 23:52.31 | jordanm[titan] | Tametomo: xserver did not officially deprecate until 1.8 |
| 23:52.31 | Tametomo | That's mainly the reason I'm interested. It's not that I can't use it. It's that I'd like to get a head start on using something else. |
| 23:52.54 | ham5 | official? good one |
| 23:53.15 | pbdl | ham5: you know what i mean :/ |
| 23:53.40 | jordanm[titan] | Tametomo: with evdev and before hal... xorg.conf works |
| 23:54.00 | jordanm[titan] | there has not been a need to learn anything else... that I have seen |
| 23:54.30 | ham5 | says it can be run as a cron job or as offen as you like from the command line |
| 23:54.34 | ham5 | either or |
| 23:54.36 | ham5 | thats offical |
| 23:54.41 | ham5 | shove it some place |
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| 23:55.13 | Tametomo | autofs is doing alright. Not sending an event through thunar, but that's alright, since I'm not a huge thunar fan to begin with. |
| 23:55.16 | pbdl | ham5: once again, thank you! |
| 23:55.39 | Tametomo | Just mainly seeing if there's a nicer way to approach it than the way I am currently. |
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| 23:56.22 | jordanm[titan] | ham5: official as in.. they added to the changelog, "hal is now deprecated" |
| 23:57.03 | ham5 | lol |
| 23:57.08 | ham5 | thanks jordanm |
| 23:57.24 | ham5 | official thing was someone else but ok |
| 23:58.08 | Tametomo | Yeah. Before they decided to replace HAL with udev, they were attempting to replace it with DeviceKit, but I think they ended up deprecating it since doing it straight through udev would be simpler or so. |
| 23:58.24 | Tametomo | So, DeviceKit got deprecated before it even took off. :P |
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