| 00:00.18 | xperia | woow htop looks cool now if i could only know how to mark and post the whole screen |
| 00:01.54 | wols | if swap is full and more allocated, why isn't the OOM killer running? |
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| 00:02.09 | wols | yes, your apache will be gone then, but you will have memory free again |
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| 00:03.27 | themill | we don't actually know that apache is involved here. We can't get any details out of xperia at all. |
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| 00:04.33 | xperia | themill: here is the output of htop |
| 00:04.57 | xperia | http://paste-bin.com/view/8bc85dcd |
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| 00:05.15 | xperia | it could be maybe that mysql makes also problems |
| 00:05.29 | xperia | now i am at 118 MB swap space usage |
| 00:05.45 | themill | xperia: how much junk do you have running on a machine with that little memory? |
| 00:05.59 | karsten | Trying to set up dual head, seems like I might be running into a max total display res for the screen (xrandr) rather than either of the two displays. |
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| 00:06.19 | xperia | some minutes ago i had 109 MB |
| 00:06.59 | miasma | xperia: you should really understand how mysql, the web server & php allocate memory before pondering why the server is so slow. you need to adjust their settings according to the specs of your machine. the default settings probably assume a bit more modern server |
| 00:07.07 | themill | xperia: and the total number of running processes has gone up by 50 in that time too |
| 00:07.35 | xperia | themill: 50 Processes ? how can this be ? |
| 00:07.58 | karsten | Box is an HP dc5750 mini tower, two vidoe controllers: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] 01:05.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress Series (RS482) |
| 00:08.31 | xperia | ohh yeah it looks like this increase of the processes are strange |
| 00:08.46 | miasma | themill: htop and top might show different values. the other one might also count threads as processes |
| 00:08.48 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 00:08.56 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.59 | karsten | ... just ran w/o errors. |
| 00:09.05 | themill | miasma: yeah, I know... but this is getting silly |
| 00:09.20 | themill | xperia: but seriously, you're running far too much crap on a box with that little memory |
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| 00:09.35 | miasma | themill: i just guess that the box is incorrectly set up. e.g. it seems to run *both* mysql & postgres |
| 00:09.44 | miasma | it makes no sense if you only have 128 MB of ram |
| 00:09.49 | snowsnakes | is there any way to change an interface without installing anything |
| 00:09.51 | themill | quite. and bind and dhcpd... |
| 00:09.59 | snowsnakes | I mean change eth1 to eth0 |
| 00:10.14 | themill | dpkg: tell snowsnakes about 70 |
| 00:10.15 | snowsnakes | I had to remove a nic and enable the onboard |
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| 00:10.57 | themill | miasma: and courier, and ... |
| 00:10.57 | xperia | themill: top show same amount of tasks as before. htop and top have different counting of processes |
| 00:11.03 | snowsnakes | I read about that method, but is there any way without having some file parsed every time the computer boots? |
| 00:11.06 | panix | isnt there a way to make the system rescan the hardwaer for changes ? |
| 00:11.22 | miasma | xperia: that's why you should only use one them when comparing the results |
| 00:11.23 | snowsnakes | the new interface works and everything, but now it's just eth1 |
| 00:11.24 | themill | xperia: correct. That doesn't change the fact that you're running too much crap on that poor little box |
| 00:11.54 | wols | snowsnakes: thousands of files are parsed everytime your computer boots |
| 00:12.26 | panix | isnt there a way to make the system rescan the hardwear for changes ? |
| 00:12.29 | themill | snowsnakes: umm... that *is* the file that decides whether it's eth0 or eth1 |
| 00:12.41 | karsten | !tell panix about rpeat |
| 00:12.44 | karsten | !tell panix about repeat |
| 00:13.02 | panix | they havent ansered ... |
| 00:13.04 | xperia | yeah right but it is not the amount of programms that produce the swap usage. i do trace the whole thing now since days and i can ensure you everytime the scripts are run the swap usage increase and is not cleaned up even if everything works like it should. |
| 00:13.13 | karsten | panix: Then read the factoid. |
| 00:13.30 | wols | panix: ask a more sensible question and give more info |
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| 00:13.39 | themill | xperia: are you sure that they actually exit? How are you running these scripts? What do they do? |
| 00:13.42 | karsten | panix: It would help if your question made sense. |
| 00:13.56 | snowsnakes | oooooh, ok |
| 00:13.57 | snowsnakes | im stupid |
| 00:13.58 | karsten | panix: ... and I'll see if I can't sort out what you're asking while I'm trying to troubleshoot my own problem. |
| 00:13.59 | snowsnakes | thanks! |
| 00:14.02 | panix | im trying to work out a solution for snowsnakes |
| 00:14.14 | miasma | anyways, if I may say something about my problem with (video) dvd backups a couple of minutes ago.. it seems the tools experienced a segfault when the dvd was broken. with flawless new dvds they work. not sure if the tools are part of ordinary debian or debian-multimedia so maybe in latter case there's no sympathy |
| 00:14.28 | karsten | panix: What sort of new hardware? |
| 00:14.31 | xperia | themill: at the end of every script i send a mail notification. so i can ensure you that they exit |
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| 00:14.45 | snowsnakes | panix, thank ;) |
| 00:14.50 | karsten | panix: USB and other hot-pluggable hardware is detected via the hotplug system, more or less. Other stuff, it depends. |
| 00:14.52 | panix | if i upgrade the cpu for one |
| 00:15.02 | karsten | panix: can you please |
| 00:15.04 | xperia | themill: how about mysql memory leaks |
| 00:15.10 | karsten | panix: ... oh, where was I? ... |
| 00:15.15 | wols | miasma: apt-cache policy will tell. and dmm is, well, semiofficial |
| 00:15.17 | karsten | panix: ... write complete sentences. |
| 00:15.20 | xperia | i have heard mysql should have memory leaks |
| 00:15.22 | themill | xperia: are you sure that they actually exit? How are you running these scripts? What do they do? |
| 00:15.24 | panix | im trying to work out a solution for snowsnakes |
| 00:15.25 | miasma | xperia: mysql probably doesn't leak. it caches stuff |
| 00:15.37 | panix | see you made me repeat my self |
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| 00:16.13 | karsten | updates his /ignore list.... |
| 00:16.20 | snowsnakes | thanks panix, but themill addressed my issue |
| 00:16.41 | xperia | i run it from crontab as follow |
| 00:16.43 | xperia | * * * * * php -f /var/www/vhost1/test.php >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:17.28 | panix | but i think there should be some way to make the system rescan for hardwear changes and reconfigure it self |
| 00:17.33 | xperia | i test the script also from the browser by calling up the url and i get allways the print message together with the mail |
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| 00:18.13 | snowsnakes | hehe, thanks, but my issue is already fixed 100% ;) |
| 00:18.50 | panix | i mean a solution that doesent involve IRC |
| 00:19.08 | themill | panix: you're trying to solve problems that don't exist |
| 00:19.10 | panix | or the internet |
| 00:19.38 | panix | if i change my cpu will it reconfigure it ? |
| 00:19.50 | xperia | themill: just watched in htop how everything works. the script was executed and the process amount increased to 155 after it finished it got back to 150 processes |
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| 00:20.07 | themill | xperia: getting the mail doesn't guarantee that the process has exited. Have you checked with "ps ax" that they have exited? |
| 00:20.09 | panix | if i change my drive from one box to another will the system reconfigure it self ? |
| 00:20.17 | leonlemouton | top |
| 00:20.40 | themill | xperia: what does this script do? |
| 00:21.12 | snowsnakes | I do have another issue though |
| 00:21.19 | xperia | it fetch a large file from the net around 30 MB and parse it then it update some mysql rows |
| 00:21.24 | frostschutz | panix: what ever do you mean by reconfigure itself? if you installed a standard kernel it will run on pretty much every system. |
| 00:21.37 | panix | if i change my drive from one box to another will the system reconfigure it self ? |
| 00:21.48 | panix | thats all im asking |
| 00:21.50 | miasma | panix: what drive? |
| 00:21.53 | miasma | a hard drive? |
| 00:21.56 | panix | the HDD |
| 00:21.57 | themill | panix: define "reconfigure" |
| 00:22.00 | panix | what else ? |
| 00:22.11 | wols | panix: it will |
| 00:22.12 | miasma | _the_ HDD? you mean there's one in every machine? |
| 00:22.22 | frostschutz | panix: it depends - unless some specific hardware id was hardcoded in a config file somewhere it'll just work out of the box |
| 00:22.29 | miasma | for one, it won't necessarily even boot on another machine |
| 00:22.36 | panix | thast cool |
| 00:22.37 | themill | xperia: have you correctly configured mysql for a low memory environment? (and wtf are you running postgres too?) |
| 00:23.08 | panix | but i bet in reallity it woulbe amazed if it even could boot |
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| 00:23.29 | xperia | i am testing fusionforge and if i am not wrong fusionforge need postgres |
| 00:23.35 | miasma | panix: the booting is more or less operating system agnostic. it's organized by the BIOS in PCs |
| 00:23.37 | click170 | panix: Have you tried it? I have, and I've not had trouble. Just the other day in fact. |
| 00:23.45 | themill | xperia: so why are you running mysql? |
| 00:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | panix, mostly. of course if you had the wrong Kernel it wouldn't boot (e.g. -k7 kernel and switching to intel) |
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| 00:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | panix, and if graphics card changes and you have xorg.conf... |
| 00:24.29 | click170 | panix: Aside from some exceptional circumstances such as video cards, requiring drivers that only exist in newer kernels etc, it should work. |
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| 00:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there are no -k7 kernels anymore so that problem is gorn :) |
| 00:24.45 | xperia | well my scripts works with mysql but beside this i have also other vhost projects on this server like fusionforge |
| 00:24.52 | snowsnakes | I do have another issue though |
| 00:24.58 | xperia | they need postgres |
| 00:25.00 | themill | xperia: have you correctly configured mysql for a low memory environment? |
| 00:25.07 | snowsnakes | err... oops |
| 00:25.15 | themill | xperia: you are running too much crap on the one very low memory machine. |
| 00:25.22 | xperia | but this is not the problem however i have never configured mysql till yet as you have written |
| 00:25.36 | xperia | so maybe this is the problem |
| 00:25.56 | xperia | so i have to checkout this |
| 00:26.00 | themill | dpkg: tell xperia about mysql memory usage |
| 00:26.01 | snowsnakes | occasionally my network drops out on my headless box (this is a fairly fresh install) |
| 00:26.31 | snowsnakes | and I see messages like this in my /var/log/message: |
| 00:26.32 | snowsnakes | audit(1272600577.327:2): operation="profile_load" pid=371 name=/sbin/dhclient3 |
| 00:26.43 | snowsnakes | audit(1272600577.331:3): operation="profile_load" pid=371 name=/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-clie$ |
| 00:26.53 | snowsnakes | is NetworkManager taking over??? |
| 00:27.16 | themill | xperia: there's a lot more to it than that though. And even then, I doubt you'll have a stable box running apache, mysql, postgres, bind, courier and who knows what else all with 180 MB RAM. |
| 00:27.46 | xperia | :-) |
| 00:28.01 | xperia | i am happy if i get rid of this swap problem |
| 00:28.08 | goose | so, I'm down to one last (new) issue with ssh tunneling: It's binding to whatever IP it so feels like |
| 00:28.09 | xperia | this is only a testbox |
| 00:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, now you could have dpkg tell all of us about mysql memory usage :) - now I'll have to do it myself |
| 00:30.20 | xperia | themill: i have changed the mysql table usage from MyISAM to InnoDB becouse of performance issues. i am right that you suggest to drop InnoDB and instead use MyIsam again ? |
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| 00:31.03 | themill | xperia: I'm suggesting that you decide what you really want that box to do and do just that and correctly configure the daemons that you do run. |
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| 00:31.40 | snowsnakes | goose, are you talking about the tunnel you create? |
| 00:31.58 | goose | yes, but I figured it out |
| 00:32.03 | themill | next you'll be telling us you've got mailman, clamav and spamassassin with 25 workers also running on that box... |
| 00:32.12 | goose | desired_ip:localport:remotehost:remoteport |
| 00:32.42 | snowsnakes | well done |
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| 00:33.35 | xperia | not till yet but it goes in that direction :-) |
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| 00:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | games! don't forget to run some games! |
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| 00:37.55 | xperia | for some strange reason now the increase stoped and it looks like it has stabilized |
| 00:37.57 | xperia | htop show still only a swap usage of 118 MB and 150 Processes |
| 00:37.58 | xperia | http://paste-bin.com/view/4c7bda36 |
| 00:38.00 | xperia | top however show me 120 MB |
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| 00:41.07 | xperia | CutMeOwnThroat: i have at the moment a full webserver with a lot of vhost, nameserver, mailserver, irc server, flash server and other things like mysql postgres and so on but it works ! most of the time they run in idle |
| 00:42.14 | xperia | till yet however i have not experienced such memory problems till i had to run this two php scripts that need together more ram then availble |
| 00:43.00 | chunky | http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/04/30/barber-sodomised-for-beard-abuse/ |
| 00:43.07 | xperia | i have expected the the swap usage will be given free and to be honestly i still dont know why this 120 MB are not give free at all even a part |
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| 00:45.56 | leonlemouton | chunky :-( |
| 00:47.16 | leonlemouton | http://newsmap.jp/ |
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| 00:50.19 | cougar_ | hi, i just did a system upgrade and now my /var/run/motd is getting ridden by a packages-status-overview whenever i logon via ssh |
| 00:50.33 | cougar_ | how do i revert it |
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| 00:52.04 | xperia | cougar: if i am not wrong apt-get dist downgrade could help you |
| 00:52.29 | xperia | or simillar things |
| 00:52.43 | leonlemouton | full-upgrade |
| 00:53.22 | cast | dist downgrade? wth is that? |
| 00:53.36 | wols | cast: something that doesn't exist |
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| 00:54.31 | owen1 | how to manage upgrades of multiple debian servers? i heard about FAI but want second opinion. |
| 00:54.42 | cougar_ | xperia: i don't want to downgrade my system, this is just a motd issue |
| 00:55.18 | cougar_ | for some reason someone thought it would be a good idea to have debian overwrite /var/run/motd with no documenation on how to disable it :| |
| 00:55.36 | xperia | i have understand that you want to revert the upgrade of your system |
| 00:55.39 | wols | cougar_: what is in your sources.list? |
| 00:55.48 | cougar_ | standard stuff |
| 00:56.07 | wols | cougar_: that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:56.11 | cougar_ | using testing |
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| 00:56.35 | leonlemouton | be stable |
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| 00:57.07 | h725 | hello |
| 00:57.09 | wols | cougar_: you still not answering my question, and you are very incorrect about "standard stuff" too. testing is anything but standard |
| 00:57.20 | h725 | how can I find a specific previous version from testing? |
| 00:57.40 | h725 | (Im looking for 0.99-2 of python-networkx, current in testing is 1.0.x) |
| 00:57.48 | wols | !tell h725 about sdo |
| 00:58.05 | h725 | wols: that's exactly what I was looking for :-) |
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| 00:58.30 | h725 | do you think a link on pdo would be fitting? |
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| 00:58.59 | cougar_ | wols: if you need to know what's in my sources.list to answer a simple question like "my motd is getting overwritten repeatedly on login" then clearly you don't know the answer |
| 00:59.22 | click170 | cougar_: Your done. Come back later. |
| 00:59.37 | wols | click170: only after a LAR |
| 01:00.03 | cougar_ | are you guys paid by microsoft to troll on a FOSS channel or soemthing |
| 01:00.09 | cougar_ | completely unhelpful and arrogant |
| 01:00.28 | wols | !volunteers |
| 01:00.28 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 01:01.14 | cougar_ | respect works both ways |
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| 01:01.55 | cougar_ | asking me questions unrelated to my problem is also a waste of my time and unhelpful, and i don't need volunteers for that |
| 01:01.58 | wols | you want help from us, you start to insult us. see the problem? |
| 01:02.13 | cougar_ | i don't want help from *you*, as i already said |
| 01:02.16 | cougar_ | clearly you can't help me |
| 01:02.24 | leonlemouton | cougar_:Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 2000 then run "apt-get upgrade". |
| 01:03.01 | leonlemouton | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 01:03.44 | cougar_ | if i have to downgrade to solve a simple motd issue then debian has problems |
| 01:04.00 | cougar_ | clearly there is a solution that doesn't involve downgrading |
| 01:04.15 | Guthur | It probably involves not using testing |
| 01:04.17 | xperia | themill: miasma: frostschutz: CutMeOwnThroat: wanted to tell that everything works fine till yet. |
| 01:04.19 | xperia | since a quarter of hour no memory increasing anymore. so it looks like a overload of the server mashine with not having sufficient RAM followed by out of swap space problem caused the freezes of the server. thanks a lot for the helpfull comments ! |
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| 01:07.09 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/zPuUg5b4 - trouble with nvidia drivers any thoughts? |
| 01:08.12 | wols | !tell JairunCaloth about nvidia squeeze |
| 01:08.25 | wols | JairunCaloth: or are you mixing testing and stable? |
| 01:08.51 | JairunCaloth | I'm all squeeze |
| 01:09.04 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 01:09.05 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4 |
| 01:09.27 | wols | see the dpkg message then |
| 01:09.54 | leonlemouton | http://www.debian-facile.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=321 |
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| 01:13.10 | JairunCaloth | yeah tried the modual assistant route before, it fails to build |
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| 01:13.32 | wols | JairunCaloth: it's the only way you have |
| 01:13.51 | wols | and error messages are a wonderful thing |
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| 01:15.36 | JairunCaloth | workin on it :-p |
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| 01:17.25 | JairunCaloth | nothing useful :( |
| 01:17.26 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/R4FaEiYP |
| 01:18.08 | wols | see /var/cache/modass |
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| 01:21.19 | JairunCaloth | log looks the same |
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| 01:22.25 | aguitel | how to choose best mirror in debian squeeze |
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| 01:22.40 | wols | !tell aguitel about mirrors |
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| 01:22.59 | click170 | aguitel: netselect-apt ? |
| 01:23.33 | aguitel | click170, for example |
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| 01:25.34 | JairunCaloth | yay got it to build from nvidia website |
| 01:25.51 | JairunCaloth | boo for having to rebuild for evey kernel upgrade |
| 01:27.06 | Krzysiek | hi, is any way to make /home/superman/www/config.php safe from other users ? I use nginx+fcgi... |
| 01:28.03 | JairunCaloth | So it looks to me like the version in the repos isn't built for the current kernel |
| 01:28.16 | JairunCaloth | s/isn't/aren't |
| 01:28.22 | wols | JairunCaloth: module-assistant builds it for the current kernel. that's its job |
| 01:28.35 | wols | Krzysiek: define "safe" |
| 01:28.39 | JairunCaloth | Right I understand that. I was refering to the nvidia-glx package |
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| 01:29.13 | JairunCaloth | anywho. the 17x drivers are old as dirt anyways |
| 01:29.15 | wols | JairunCaloth: just as nonsensical |
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| 01:30.28 | Krzysiek | wols: disallow for other user look inside this files... something like chmod 700, but when i set 700 then nginx as www-data cant look too... |
| 01:31.07 | wols | then chown it to www-data? |
| 01:31.40 | JairunCaloth | wonder why m-a can't build it. Useful error messages would be nice |
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| 01:32.28 | Krzysiek | yea, but when chown to www-data, then user loss permissions |
| 01:32.29 | wols | JairunCaloth: tons of people have built it with m-a. I told you how to do it. you ignored that, you failed. now guess why you failed? |
| 01:33.23 | Krzysiek | and whenn i set batman:www-data and other robin:www-data, batman and robin still can read files, beacuse is on 1 group (www-data) |
| 01:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't sacrifice a sheep before compiling? |
| 01:33.30 | JairunCaloth | wols: I have followed those directions to the letter dozens of times in the past week. |
| 01:33.38 | cougar_ | wols: seriously, stop trolling |
| 01:33.44 | cougar_ | you're being a dick |
| 01:33.47 | JairunCaloth | and go suck a cock while you're at it |
| 01:33.48 | wols | JairunCaloth: which version of nvidia-glx did you try? |
| 01:34.08 | wols | cougar_:, JairunCaloth: please watch your language |
| 01:34.14 | cougar_ | watch yours |
| 01:34.19 | cougar_ | you're being a dick |
| 01:34.25 | wols | !ops cougar_ is insulting |
| 01:34.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: cougar_ is insulting |
| 01:34.34 | cougar_ | interesting |
| 01:34.38 | cougar_ | !ops wols is being a dick |
| 01:34.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cougar_ complains about: wols is being a dick |
| 01:34.42 | Krzysiek | uuuu, fight ;p |
| 01:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | kids, kids, kids |
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| 01:35.21 | JairunCaloth | Regardless, it works now. I just feel like I"m back in ubuntu 4 years ago. |
| 01:37.07 | wols_ | kroddnoMobil: have you considered to create a special group for your config file, btw? |
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| 01:37.23 | wols_ | Krzysiek: ^^ |
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| 01:41.18 | iceroot | how to change the user correctly? if using su username, i cant open the screen-session from that user |
| 01:41.42 | ebanders | iceroot: try su - |
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| 01:42.03 | Riviera | that should not help |
| 01:42.13 | iceroot | ebanders: the same |
| 01:42.14 | Riviera | iceroot: try a local ssh |
| 01:42.16 | Riviera | :) |
| 01:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not? |
| 01:42.30 | wols_ | iceroot: the error message is? |
| 01:42.37 | Riviera | CutMeOwnThroat: because the terminal belongs to the original user |
| 01:42.46 | iceroot | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/4' - please check. |
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| 01:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
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| 01:43.32 | Vasistha | iceroot: su -c screen |
| 01:44.03 | Vasistha | iceroot: I use this: sux username screen -D -R |
| 01:44.08 | iceroot | Vasistha: i want to join an existing session |
| 01:44.20 | macrobat | cougar_: i think motd has something to do with bootlogs and maybe sysvinit |
| 01:44.46 | macrobat | i cant find anything useful :) |
| 01:44.52 | iceroot | Vasistha: is sux a typo? |
| 01:44.54 | wols_ | macrobat: agreed :) |
| 01:44.59 | Vasistha | iceroot: no |
| 01:45.00 | cougar_ | ah, nah, i've tracked my problem down to update-notifier, but thanks :) |
| 01:45.04 | Riviera | Vasistha doesn't do typos. |
| 01:45.05 | wols_ | iceroot: no it's not. only relevant if under X tho. "su for X" |
| 01:45.17 | Vasistha | hah! |
| 01:45.19 | Vasistha | iceroot: sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials |
| 01:45.27 | iceroot | i dont need x :) |
| 01:46.08 | Vasistha | iceroot: then su username -c 'screen -D -R' |
| 01:47.18 | iceroot | su lintorrent -c 'screen -RaAd' |
| 01:47.19 | iceroot | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/4' - please check. |
| 01:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ain't it funny how the most sound advice was ignored here? |
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| 01:49.52 | Vasistha | iceroot: hmm. yeah, I see that too when I try on a VT |
| 01:50.53 | iceroot | Vasistha: the trick with ssh is working but dont think its the best solution |
| 01:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Riviera, what's screen doing with the terminal that it needs to read the device? |
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| 01:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, screen is not in group tty but utmp on my system |
| 01:52.24 | Vasistha | iceroot: well, you can always use chmod... |
| 01:53.03 | iceroot | Vasistha: on the /dev/pts/xx? |
| 01:53.19 | Vasistha | iceroot: yeah |
| 01:53.42 | Vasistha | iceroot: combine with chgrp for a little more security |
| 01:53.45 | iceroot | Vasistha: hm i am not that good but i think there is a reason for the current rights on /dev/pts/xx |
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| 01:55.15 | Vasistha | iceroot: if the lintorrent user has a lintorrent group, then you can give group ownership to that group -- supposing noone but lintorrent is a member -- and then chmod g+rwx, which will not open it to anyone else. |
| 01:57.55 | iceroot | Vasistha: ok i will think about it |
| 01:58.02 | iceroot | Vasistha: and thank you for the help |
| 01:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but /dev/pts/* already have the tty group |
| 01:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't mess with that but use ssh to localhost |
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| 02:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also multiple virtual terminals, I don't see why you have to su when you want to call screen |
| 02:01.34 | iceroot | CutMeOwnThroat: but i want to call screen from another user |
| 02:01.46 | panix | yes |
| 02:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like... just for the hell of it? |
| 02:03.17 | panix | who does on go about doing that ? |
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| 02:05.32 | iceroot | i am always connected on that server as user "irssi" also there is a torrent running as user lintorrent in a screen, so sometimes i want to check if everything is fine with the torrents, so openening a "real" ssh from remote as lintorrent isnt what i want, so maybe i will have a look at something like "using keys for ssh as user lintorrent and just run ssh user@localhost screen -RaAa |
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| 02:06.28 | rAzzOr | CutMeOwnThroat, do you need me ? |
| 02:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not literal, but figurative |
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| 02:12.15 | rAzzOr | so that nick name is aimed at the beholder |
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| 02:15.58 | randomuser | i just tailed /var/log/messages and hotplugged a questionable sata drive for diagnostics. sata link is up, but there is no /dev address assigned. What can I do next? |
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| 02:17.14 | wols_ | wonders how this is a debian related question. go to ##hardware |
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| 02:21.05 | randomuser | i'll ask there, thanks |
| 02:24.04 | randomuser | i thought i'd ask her on the off chance that someone here had experience with hard drive diagnostics under debian; one could have said "i dont know, try #hardware, maybe?' - that way nobody would have implied another to be a time-wasting prick. |
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| 02:25.32 | leonlemouton | dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 02:25.40 | bjk | maybe a udev problem |
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| 02:26.05 | leonlemouton | ;-) |
| 02:26.33 | grul | igno, balle |
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| 02:34.41 | Requia | How would I get aspell to be the default spellchecker instead of ispell? |
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| 02:35.44 | TGP1994 | Hi there everyone, I am getting an unusual error in dpkg on configuring libc6, where it says "md5sum gave malformatted output..." and it gives an md5sum. And anyone help in fixing that? |
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| 02:46.53 | edenroz | hello |
| 02:47.00 | cast | hello |
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| 02:47.11 | leonlemouton | hey |
| 02:47.11 | edenroz | am on debian server, free -m say 900m of ram is in use |
| 02:47.35 | edenroz | but with top i cant the fat process,everything under 1% |
| 02:47.44 | edenroz | cant find* |
| 02:48.33 | wols_ | pressed shift+m in top? |
| 02:48.37 | edenroz | yep |
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| 02:49.14 | Guest14334 | Hi, what is the difference between fglrx-driver and xorg-fglrx-driver ? |
| 02:49.42 | edenroz | wols_, mysql 1.7% pache 5% |
| 02:50.11 | randomuser | edenroz: top as root? |
| 02:50.14 | wols_ | ,versions xorg-fglrx-driver |
| 02:50.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xorg-fglrx-driver' was found. |
| 02:50.31 | edenroz | randomuser, yes |
| 02:50.32 | wols_ | benji12: xorg-fglrx-driver does not exist. not debian |
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| 02:51.41 | pflanze | Does anyone know where to find video4linux in make menuconfig, in kernel 2.6.31? |
| 02:52.00 | leonlemouton | xserver-xorg-core |
| 02:52.01 | cast | you could edit the config file with your editor, too |
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| 02:52.53 | pflanze | problem is that all the options regarding video and multimedia vanished when I made oldconfig with those kernels |
| 02:53.03 | pflanze | and I can't seem to find out why |
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| 02:53.31 | acu | can anyone point me to a place to show how far squeeze in development ? |
| 02:53.36 | edenroz | interesting, am starting to swap |
| 02:54.03 | wols_ | !tell acu about rc bugs |
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| 03:01.47 | acu | what is the mechanism to discuss with maintainers - for example Systems Settings In KDE are not working (no network settings working - almost nothing works) others Ekiga - gets segmentation fault on AMD - when someone connects to you - and many other |
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| 03:02.48 | wols_ | acu: bug reports |
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| 03:03.02 | wols_ | !tell acu about bts |
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| 03:12.51 | CWFEU | anyone here have an thinkpad t series and running everything just fine? |
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| 03:15.44 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 03:15.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:15.50 | wols_ | !tell CWFEU about thinkpad |
| 03:17.10 | CWFEU | thanks for the link! |
| 03:17.19 | CWFEU | are there known issues with the wifi? |
| 03:17.53 | edenroz | wols_, ok just reboot, my laptop loose 11 day of uptime |
| 03:17.57 | edenroz | wols_, :( |
| 03:18.05 | simonrvn | ohnoez |
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| 03:31.57 | tharkun | !seen abrotman |
| 03:31.57 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 7m ago, saying: 'jaggz-: try #defocus'. |
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| 04:03.53 | dkay | hello debian |
| 04:04.06 | Tux^verdreifelt | hello dkay |
| 04:04.09 | dkay | i hope someone can help me with wine |
| 04:04.35 | dkay | i installed vncserver on a remote and connected. installed wine and installed bmw m3 challenge |
| 04:05.06 | dkay | but, wine want to have the installation in c:/ |
| 04:05.15 | dkay | which is a windows path |
| 04:05.21 | dkay | where is this on linux? |
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| 04:06.06 | dkay | wow, a second! i found in .wine/drive_c |
| 04:06.19 | dkay | lawl, thnks |
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| 04:11.56 | dkay | can someone give me a hint |
| 04:11.57 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/195936 |
| 04:12.00 | dkay | how to fix? |
| 04:12.05 | dkay | crap |
| 04:13.49 | wols_ | dkay: you cannot play games via vncserver |
| 04:13.58 | dkay | ALSA lib, glxcmds |
| 04:14.04 | dkay | i wont do that |
| 04:14.19 | dkay | i want to setup a dedicated server for bmw m3 challenge |
| 04:14.48 | dkay | i just need vncviewer to setup the server, its managed by popups |
| 04:15.48 | wols_ | first, install the bmw software locally, and check if it works |
| 04:15.53 | wols_ | then do it on the remote machine |
| 04:15.57 | dkay | i did, it works |
| 04:16.11 | wols_ | under a local vncserver X too? |
| 04:16.12 | dkay | but not on a linux one |
| 04:16.21 | dkay | no |
| 04:16.33 | wols_ | cause the backtrace shows how it crashes inside the opengl libraries |
| 04:16.47 | wols_ | 4 0x7e258210 glXCreateContextWithConfigSGIX() in libgl.so.1 (0x0032ed80) |
| 04:17.07 | dkay | yes, looks weird |
| 04:17.10 | dkay | impossible to fix? |
| 04:17.28 | wols_ | not impossible. use another x server perhaps |
| 04:17.56 | dkay | do i need a xserver? |
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| 04:18.15 | wols_ | you always need an xserver. you are using one in your pastebin entry |
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| 04:18.55 | wols_ | what do you think your vncserver is? |
| 04:19.13 | dkay | ye, sure but |
| 04:19.29 | dkay | xserver is for displaying something over network, i am right? |
| 04:19.38 | dkay | so, i could start wine BMW....exe with ssh |
| 04:19.40 | wols_ | more or less |
| 04:19.42 | dkay | but same error |
| 04:20.09 | wols_ | does your remote machine have a videocard? if so, which one? |
| 04:20.40 | dkay | not sure |
| 04:20.45 | wols_ | then make sure |
| 04:20.56 | dkay | probably a onboard one |
| 04:21.31 | dkay | is there an easier way as to install hwinfo |
| 04:21.32 | dkay | ? |
| 04:21.39 | wols_ | man lspci |
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| 04:22.00 | dkay | no manual entry for .. |
| 04:22.07 | wols_ | !installit |
| 04:22.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:23.16 | dkay | E: Couldn't find package lspci |
| 04:24.02 | robinetd | dkay: pciutils |
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| 04:25.39 | dkay | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics |
| 04:26.02 | dkay | thnks robinetd |
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| 04:32.14 | dkay | wols_ VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics |
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| 04:36.35 | tensorpudding | How do you configure what xdg-open uses for opening a file? |
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| 04:40.07 | dkay | hm, i fixed the file not found error for alsa lib |
| 04:40.43 | dkay | but i have not the permission to use |
| 04:40.44 | dkay | ALSA lib ../../../src/seq/seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied |
| 04:41.10 | dkay | i am starting this as a normal user |
| 04:41.18 | dkay | should i set permissions for this user? |
| 04:42.15 | dkay | or chmoding seq_hw to 775? |
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| 04:45.05 | simonrvn | it's not seq_hw but /dev/snd/seq |
| 04:45.24 | simonrvn | add yourself to group audio, then log (completely) out and in again |
| 04:46.01 | crazypenguin | hello，what‘s the different between fbterm and jfbterm？ |
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| 04:46.44 | simonrvn | apt-cache show foo bar; read them both |
| 04:47.01 | crazypenguin | i can't find fbterm in lenny |
| 04:48.49 | dkay | sure the group is named audio`? or is it audio:x:29: as in /etc/group |
| 04:50.34 | jester45 | its audio |
| 04:50.36 | simonrvn | audio |
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| 04:51.03 | jester45 | the other stuff is formating and 29 is the group id |
| 04:51.12 | simonrvn | number |
| 04:51.28 | jester45 | its group number? |
| 04:51.44 | dkay | ok thnks |
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| 04:53.05 | dkay | useradd -G audio myUser |
| 04:53.12 | dkay | log out and log in |
| 04:53.17 | dkay | permission denied |
| 04:53.18 | simonrvn | 29? yes. |
| 04:53.27 | simonrvn | use adduser ... |
| 04:53.34 | simonrvn | !audio |
| 04:53.34 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>. |
| 04:53.41 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 04:54.09 | jester45 | adduser youruser audio |
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| 04:57.08 | dkay | Adding user `bmw-m3' to group `audio' ... |
| 04:57.08 | dkay | Adding user bmw-m3 to group audio |
| 04:57.09 | dkay | Done. |
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| 04:57.16 | dkay | permission denied |
| 04:57.27 | jester45 | did you login and out completely? |
| 04:57.33 | jester45 | well logout then in |
| 04:57.44 | dkay | with user bmw-m3. i closed vnc |
| 04:57.49 | dkay | and startet it again |
| 04:58.00 | dkay | but, i guess not |
| 04:58.11 | dkay | how to completely logout an user? |
| 04:58.16 | dkay | i typed exit? |
| 04:58.36 | jester45 | well if your in X the easiest way to to restart X |
| 04:58.56 | jester45 | if your in KDE/Gnome you can click logout |
| 04:59.12 | dkay | no |
| 04:59.16 | dkay | is not gnome |
| 04:59.28 | dkay | is the really minimal xserver view |
| 04:59.44 | dkay | i cant even hit the right mousebutton to open a shell P |
| 04:59.44 | dkay | :P |
| 04:59.56 | jester45 | twm? |
| 05:00.11 | dkay | i am able to open a shell with right mouse in twm or? |
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| 05:00.20 | jester45 | youll have to close X and start it again |
| 05:00.22 | dkay | its turkis, green |
| 05:00.26 | dkay | i did |
| 05:00.30 | dkay | just a second |
| 05:00.37 | jester45 | not vnc |
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| 05:02.49 | dkay | ye, lol |
| 05:02.50 | dkay | no |
| 05:03.02 | dkay | i was logging out with exit |
| 05:03.11 | dkay | closed the xterm |
| 05:03.18 | jester45 | if you have a way to start X again (like ssh) then you can killall X |
| 05:03.20 | dkay | started a new vnc server |
| 05:03.24 | dkay | and now it works |
| 05:03.24 | dkay | but |
| 05:03.26 | dkay | wine BMWDedicated.exe |
| 05:03.26 | dkay | fixme:mixer:ALSA_MixerInit No master control found on HDA ATI HDMI, disabling mixer |
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| 05:03.43 | dkay | 3 lines? |
| 05:03.47 | dkay | grml sry |
| 05:04.04 | jester45 | your lines you typed, then you pasted |
| 05:04.35 | jester45 | you can use pastebin if its a lot of output |
| 05:04.49 | dkay | yes, i know |
| 05:05.11 | dkay | i already posted the whole log |
| 05:05.12 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/195951 |
| 05:05.38 | dkay | but i guess i just leave it as it is |
| 05:05.42 | dkay | to much |
| 05:05.58 | dkay | i just going to delete this user and all installed stuff so! i dont need to care |
| 05:06.14 | jester45 | are you still getting the /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied error? |
| 05:06.22 | dkay | no, |
| 05:06.35 | dkay | <dkay>wine BMWDedicated.exe |
| 05:06.36 | dkay | <dkay>fixme:mixer:ALSA_MixerInit No master control found on HDA ATI HDMI, disabling mixer |
| 05:07.12 | jester45 | can you disable audio for wine? or switch devices |
| 05:07.40 | dkay | do i need it to run this dedicated? |
| 05:07.56 | dkay | so it would not make sense to disable the sound and then i wouldnt hear anything |
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| 05:08.46 | dkay | or, how to disable, dam, sry. new to wine and such! and i am also not a linux professional |
| 05:09.57 | jester45 | well i don't use wine and don't know what BMWDedicated is, my guess was a dedicated server (which wouldn't need sound) |
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| 05:10.12 | near | hi |
| 05:10.20 | dkay | yes, its a dediacted server for m3 challenge |
| 05:10.24 | near | any ideas why a monitor will get cli, but will fail to xorg -configure? |
| 05:10.26 | jester45 | but if you did know how to disable the sound you could at least see if the program works at all, then get sound working |
| 05:10.48 | jester45 | near, what error are you getting |
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| 05:12.53 | near | is there a log in for the x? the thing is when i plug the monitor to dvi output |
| 05:12.57 | near | it wont load gui |
| 05:13.03 | near | but i plug it with vga |
| 05:13.06 | near | and it works fine |
| 05:13.43 | near | i mean a log, not a log in |
| 05:14.26 | jester45 | normally /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:14.47 | jester45 | or something like that |
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| 05:15.54 | dkay | is there another tool to run windows .exe files as wine? |
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| 05:16.51 | near | the thing was |
| 05:16.54 | near | it wouldnt find a screen |
| 05:17.00 | Interphase | dkay, Cedega |
| 05:17.01 | near | im using now the same monitor |
| 05:17.07 | near | but with vga and it works |
| 05:17.11 | near | with dvi only cli! |
| 05:17.27 | dkay | thnks |
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| 05:18.38 | dkay | isnt apt-getable :/ |
| 05:18.52 | Interphase | really? google it |
| 05:19.33 | streuner_ | /msg pkg cedega |
| 05:19.39 | streuner_ | /msg dpkg cedega |
| 05:19.44 | streuner_ | of course :-) |
| 05:19.59 | dkay | no, i wont :) thnks. but to much for just this m3 dedicated! changing the whole remote just for a dedicated which wouldnt used very often! |
| 05:20.53 | Interphase | dude, you just asked for another program that runs .exe |
| 05:20.54 | dkay | werent* |
| 05:21.01 | dkay | yes, i said thanks |
| 05:21.28 | dkay | weres a apt-getable i wouldnt care! but i wont installing it manually |
| 05:21.36 | Interphase | wait you use debian |
| 05:21.44 | Interphase | but you don't want to install things manually? |
| 05:21.45 | jester45 | near, if you could post your xorg.conf and xorg.0.log to pastebin maybe i could have a look |
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| 05:22.12 | dkay | i prefeer installing applications via packagemanager |
| 05:22.18 | dkay | so, yes |
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| 05:22.52 | dkay | its a reason for using debian, otherwise i would stick with centos half year ago till dunno |
| 05:23.02 | dkay | its the comfortable wich i like on debian |
| 05:24.39 | near | allright |
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| 05:26.52 | near | xorg: http://pastebin.com/jGzv5F6Q |
| 05:28.06 | near | http://pastebin.com/sgqyc9CW |
| 05:28.15 | near | thats the one from the failure |
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| 05:30.57 | jester45 | im guessing the vga and dvi are different ports on the same card? |
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| 05:34.32 | near | yes |
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| 05:34.51 | near | but the motherboard says it can have dual monitors with them |
| 05:35.12 | jester45 | are you trying to do dual monitors or just 1 |
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| 05:36.37 | near | just one |
| 05:36.46 | near | i mean the idea is dual monitors |
| 05:36.50 | near | but first i need the dvi to work |
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| 05:38.19 | jester45 | so you have the dvi connected and no vga and you cant get a GUI (only cli) |
| 05:39.33 | dkay | hello back! which ubuntu repository would u use for debian 5? |
| 05:39.34 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/196024 |
| 05:39.59 | near | yes |
| 05:40.04 | near | now i connect vga |
| 05:40.06 | near | and i have gui |
| 05:40.17 | near | i tried using Xorg -config when i was with dvi |
| 05:40.20 | near | no effect |
| 05:40.47 | jester45 | dkay, dont they have debian repos |
| 05:40.58 | jester45 | near, im looking around online |
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| 05:41.07 | dkay | dunno, was searching for bmwdedicated |
| 05:42.00 | dkay | k, well i try http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
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| 05:42.26 | near | thanks i saw this |
| 05:42.37 | near | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/working-xorg-conf-for-dual-head-radeon-x1300-xt-on-debian-lenny-734626/ |
| 05:42.44 | near | maybe i should try that configuration? |
| 05:43.05 | near | the thing is, do i need to install drivers for this? i didnt install any drivers for my motherboard |
| 05:43.17 | tomas_ | hi, can debootstrap do auto clean up of outdated packages? for example I have var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_4.4.3-9_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_4.4.4-1_i386.deb and some other duplicate deb files... |
| 05:44.35 | jester45 | near, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498690 |
| 05:44.56 | jester45 | basically, the driver in lenny is too old and needes to be upgrade. |
| 05:45.31 | jester45 | the problem is that upgrading it requires a newer Xorg and thats a little bit of work |
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| 05:46.50 | jester45 | you need driver 2.4.2 you have 2.3.2 |
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| 05:47.58 | dkay | god damnit, the winehq wine seems to work |
| 05:48.06 | dkay | but :( it dont accept the serial :) |
| 05:48.09 | jester45 | i dont know how to help you much past that but maybe someone else here can or google something like "debian lenny intel xorg 2.4.2" |
| 05:48.47 | dkay | lol, cause its the second installation, hope remove the user and add a new one solves the issue |
| 05:50.13 | near | cant the xorg be made with Xorg -config ? |
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| 05:56.17 | dkay | jest45 did u saw the pastebin from the old wine ? |
| 05:56.20 | dkay | this is the new one |
| 05:56.21 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/196042 |
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| 05:57.53 | dkay | its only 4 lines away from my dedicated :( how to clean the cash or something ^^ ARGH $"/$&&/%"$/"$ |
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| 05:59.33 | near | how can i update the drivers? |
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| 06:00.28 | near | i mean build the 2.4.2 driver |
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| 06:01.48 | near | jaja |
| 06:01.51 | near | mexicano |
| 06:01.58 | near | mira quien habla |
| 06:02.03 | engteacher | mayates |
| 06:02.12 | engteacher | negros fecales |
| 06:02.15 | near | jaja |
| 06:02.18 | near | soy blanco palido |
| 06:02.19 | engteacher | changos |
| 06:02.22 | near | raza aria a full |
| 06:02.24 | near | jajaja |
| 06:02.42 | simonrvn | !ops engteacher |
| 06:02.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: engteacher |
| 06:02.45 | engteacher | soy mestizo pero sin contaminacion negra |
| 06:02.59 | engteacher | regio por vida cabron |
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| 06:03.42 | near | !ops near |
| 06:03.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: near complains about: near |
| 06:04.05 | engteacher | !ops simonrvn |
| 06:04.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: engteacher complains about: simonrvn |
| 06:04.10 | near | !ops engteacher |
| 06:04.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: near complains about: engteacher |
| 06:04.17 | engteacher | !ops near |
| 06:04.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: engteacher complains about: near |
| 06:04.23 | near | !ops god |
| 06:04.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: near complains about: god |
| 06:04.37 | near | he is a smart ass |
| 06:04.41 | engteacher | !ops diarrhea |
| 06:04.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: engteacher complains about: diarrhea |
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| 06:19.21 | dkay | how to open a xterm in twm? |
| 06:19.31 | dkay | wasnt it right click? |
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| 06:23.20 | innociv | er no wonder i can't nslookup.. It fails to get dnsutils when I sudo apt-get install dnsutils |
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| 06:24.47 | innociv | ah update worked |
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| 06:39.00 | owen1 | how to tell what terminal i am in? (xterm / urxvt etc) |
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| 06:39.33 | owen1 | dkay: maybe command+enter? |
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| 06:40.04 | dkay | command+enter? |
| 06:40.09 | dkay | what is the command button? |
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| 06:40.26 | owen1 | dkay: can't remember. maybe ctrl? |
| 06:40.41 | gpd | I made a classic error: dd of a 30G image to the wrong partition. |
| 06:40.46 | gpd | is there any hope? |
| 06:40.46 | ehnvis | owen1: open the terminal, type env and hit enter. look for the line that starts with TERM |
| 06:40.49 | owen1 | in awesome it's window key+enter |
| 06:40.52 | dkay | dont work |
| 06:41.24 | pallgone | gpd: I don't think so... it's all overwritten... |
| 06:41.29 | owen1 | ehnvis: thanks |
| 06:41.30 | dkay | no :P |
| 06:41.35 | ehnvis | hmm isnt it middle mouse button in twm? |
| 06:41.36 | gpd | pallgone: 30G image =- 700G drive |
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| 06:41.47 | gpd | my hope is that beyond the 30G is still there... ? |
| 06:41.53 | dkay | not for me :P |
| 06:41.55 | dkay | lol |
| 06:41.59 | pallgone | gpd: hmm, yes it should be |
| 06:42.02 | dkay | i tried the whole keyboard as well ^^ |
| 06:42.22 | gpd | 2) repartition at the break point? |
| 06:42.32 | gpd | 3) use gparted to resize to the break point? |
| 06:42.48 | gpd | 1) dd zero's to the first 30G then remount? |
| 06:43.35 | pallgone | gpd: did you write to for example sdX1 or sdX? |
| 06:43.35 | dkay | oh, and btw |
| 06:43.41 | dkay | its grayscale not twm |
| 06:43.55 | dkay | need a xterm §($/§"$§(&$( |
| 06:44.04 | gpd | pallgone: yes - dd if=backup.img of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 06:44.12 | gpd | should have been sda1 ... |
| 06:44.45 | gpd | now when I mount /dev/sdb1 i see the 30G filesystem - despite being a 700G partition |
| 06:45.19 | pallgone | gpd: so the mbr is still ok... you could try testdisk to recover the partition table maybe |
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| 06:45.54 | gpd | pallgone: thanks - will look for testdisk |
| 06:46.17 | ehnvis | dkay: you mean you only have a grey background and a black cross for mouse pointer? that the X default when you dont have any window manager at all installed |
| 06:46.33 | dkay | yes, thats it ^^ |
| 06:46.52 | dkay | but normally i have a terminal window |
| 06:47.03 | ehnvis | you cant do anything there just kill it with ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 06:47.46 | dkay | ah, crap, need to install twm and such |
| 06:47.55 | ehnvis | yes |
| 06:48.16 | ehnvis | if you like twm that is. |
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| 06:54.39 | tomas_ | ehnvis: look at ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:54.59 | ehnvis | tomas_: why should i do that? |
| 06:55.12 | tomas_ | if you want xterm to start after x then add xterm there http://www.slackbook.org/html/x-window-system-xinitrc.html |
| 06:55.34 | tomas_ | it was dkay |
| 06:55.51 | ehnvis | tomas_: i didn't want to do anything. it was dkay. read back and open up your eyes. |
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| 06:56.12 | vizzy | my log was truncated, can someone please poke me the dpkg line to get the magic kernel compile commandline? |
| 06:56.30 | tomas_ | don't get your knickers in the twist I corrected myself |
| 06:56.51 | ehnvis | tomas_: :D its cool i need more coffe |
| 06:57.11 | vizzy | me spends some coffee |
| 06:57.15 | tomas_ | (: |
| 06:57.16 | dkay | i wanna have some coke and redwine |
| 06:57.17 | dkay | :P |
| 06:57.17 | wols_ | !tell tomas_ bout kp-mantra |
| 06:57.31 | dkay | but thnks tomas_ |
| 06:57.43 | vizzy | !tell me about kernel please |
| 06:57.50 | wols_ | oops. that should be for vizzy /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 06:58.05 | vizzy | oh :) |
| 06:58.07 | wols_ | vizzy: use /msg, don't do ! in the channel if not needed |
| 06:58.07 | vizzy | thank you |
| 06:58.32 | wols_ | vizzy: and really really do /msg dpkg kernel-package and read the docs mentioned there. very helpful those |
| 06:59.17 | vizzy | wols_, yes, i'll do. but i was told about the mantra yesterday morning or so, and my xchat log goes away. |
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| 07:09.30 | dkay | wols_ ? |
| 07:09.36 | wols_ | diarunxpx-96hm? |
| 07:09.40 | wols_ | hm? |
| 07:09.46 | dkay | i reduced the error messages from my dedicated to |
| 07:09.48 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/196104 |
| 07:10.14 | dkay | is it that simple to set the resolution and such? |
| 07:10.51 | wols_ | I don't get your problem. what video driver do you use right now? |
| 07:11.01 | dkay | probably none |
| 07:11.16 | dkay | cant i ignore ? |
| 07:11.21 | wols_ | a good chance your original problem was non-existing 3D hardware acceleratin which the game didn't like |
| 07:11.31 | dkay | i dont need graphics for running this ded.? |
| 07:11.46 | wols_ | especially since your local running of it worked, and your remote one where the driver is different didn't |
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| 07:12.07 | dkay | i dont start the game |
| 07:12.15 | dkay | i start the dedicated server files |
| 07:12.18 | wols_ | unless your local and remote wine are different. basically the idea is to make your local X/wine setup and your remote one as identical as possible |
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| 07:12.41 | wols_ | why do these files use 3D functions then if there is no opengl output at all? |
| 07:12.53 | dkay | ye, installing drivers for ati h3 3200 |
| 07:12.55 | dkay | :/ |
| 07:13.00 | wols_ | you could try and copy your wine setup to the remote. see ~./,wine |
| 07:13.03 | dkay | k, but should do the trick |
| 07:13.29 | wols_ | you hopefully use the exact same debian version and wine version on both too |
| 07:13.30 | dkay | no idea |
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| 08:21.39 | caraconan | Hi. I've got ssh autocompletion working, but I'm unable to do the same for rdesktop. Someone can help me? |
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| 08:24.04 | krebipeti | did some one know any link about building debian package that reliable and with example? |
| 08:24.28 | krebipeti | i just want to create debian package from lattest nginx |
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| 08:24.56 | wols_ | !tell krebipeti nmg |
| 08:25.18 | wols_ | krebipeti: however, you could probably use the existing nginx package updated with new upstream source |
| 08:25.52 | wols_ | !tell krebipeti about nmg |
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| 08:28.03 | krebipeti | wols_: is there any lattest .deb file for nginx in debian |
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| 08:28.44 | krebipeti | wols_: i just find in lenny the binary is already old version |
| 08:29.22 | jelly-home | ,versions nginx |
| 08:29.23 | judd | nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.65-5; squeeze: 0.7.65-5 |
| 08:29.40 | jelly-home | krebipeti: is the one from lenny-backports also too old for you? |
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| 08:30.13 | krebipeti | whoaaaa |
| 08:31.05 | krebipeti | jelly-home: whoaaaa...in my place it still 0.5 |
| 08:31.07 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell krebipeti about bpo |
| 08:32.01 | jelly-home | krebipeti: that would imply you're either not using lenny or haven't updated it since before it became debian stable. |
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| 08:33.51 | krebipeti | jelly-home: sorry...the version is not 0.5 ... it is 0.6.32-3 ... |
| 08:34.47 | krebipeti | jelly-home: i just want to use the 0.7.x one |
| 08:35.29 | krebipeti | jelly-home: i'll check in lenny-backport |
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| 08:39.31 | caraconan | Hi. I've got ssh autocompletion working, but I'm unable to do the same for rdesktop. Someone can help me? |
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| 08:39.57 | cast | more of a bash or zsh question |
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| 08:40.32 | valdyn | caraconan: its included in debian... |
| 08:40.56 | valdyn | caraconan: so what could possibly be the problem? that youre implementing your own version? |
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| 08:41.47 | caraconan | No, just reading about how to configure autocompletion to allow me to define a custom list of machines suitable of complete the work 'rdesktop ' |
| 08:42.09 | caraconan | Is working for ssh command, but I don't know how to figure out for rdesktop |
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| 08:42.33 | Bop | anyone with notebook knows how to deactivate click botton from mousepad area ? |
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| 08:53.25 | krebipeti | i want to create a .deb file from source....is there any good HOW TO that u know? |
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| 08:53.55 | cast | yes, yes there is. |
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| 08:54.20 | jelly-home | krebipeti: creating a package from upstream source is probably easiest to deal using the current debian source package as a basis, and the uupdate tool to combine debian source and new upstream tarball into a new debian source tree, then build a package from that. |
| 08:54.53 | cast | jelly-home: that's pretty neat :) |
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| 08:55.06 | jelly-home | krebipeti: since you want to package a newer version of nginx, that's what you could do. /msg dpkg ssb, /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 08:57.02 | jelly-home | krebipeti: follow the ssb procedure up until the "apt-get -b source" point. Instead of that, do only "apt-get source ..." without -b. Download your shiny new tarball, and use uupdate on in from the debian source tree |
| 08:57.15 | jelly-home | on it* |
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| 08:59.11 | jelly-home | if you're lucky, you might end up with a buildable tree. A more realistic scenario is you'll have to do some cleaning and fixing of debian-specific patches |
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| 09:01.15 | jelly-home | krebipeti: building is done with dpkg-buildpackage, shown in <package recompile> factoid (which is referred from <uupdate> factoid so you're probably reading it right now) |
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| 09:02.34 | jelly-home | cast: yes, there're nice tools for impati^H^H^H^H^H^Husers that need newest stuffs |
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| 09:08.45 | krebipeti | !tell krebipeti nmg |
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| 09:08.57 | krebipeti | !tell krebipeti about nmg |
| 09:09.38 | jelly-home | krebipeti: use "/msg dpkg stuff" instead of !tell |
| 09:09.51 | krebipeti | !tell krebipeti about bpo |
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| 09:51.10 | krebipeti | jelly-home: thankyou very very very much mister |
| 09:51.46 | Bop | hi ... new xorg version does not require xorg.conf ... where should i head to , if need to add some configuration to it ? |
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| 09:53.20 | aburch | Bop: It still allows you to write things in xorg.con. |
| 09:53.44 | Bop | aburch, but i just want some configuration , dont want to use it all |
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| 10:05.48 | wols_ | Bop: X -configure |
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| 10:06.23 | Bop | wols_, does not work , but with builted in , it works |
| 10:06.27 | Bop | i've tryed it |
| 10:06.48 | Bop | but im on a solution right now ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 10:07.06 | Bop | looks like i can add code sections i need to it |
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| 10:16.17 | LuciusMare | Hello, I've got official debian repos, and also an unofficial repo for wine, with newer version. However, when i try to install the package, it downloads it from the official repos, the older version, rather than the version i want. How to solve this? |
| 10:18.03 | jelly-home | LuciusMare: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy wine" |
| 10:18.53 | LuciusMare | http://pastebin.com/RjzhV0Xn |
| 10:20.33 | wols_ | LuciusMare: set adjust your pinning preferences |
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| 10:21.30 | jelly-home | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 10:21.33 | judd | wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1 |
| 10:21.42 | jelly-home | meh |
| 10:21.49 | LuciusMare | uses squeeze |
| 10:22.27 | LuciusMare | heh, i forgot to remove the sid repo |
| 10:22.30 | LuciusMare | wols_: how? |
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| 10:24.36 | wols_ | LuciusMare: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 10:26.00 | LuciusMare | nope |
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| 10:26.52 | wols_ | why has squeeze then a priority of 990? oh well: /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 10:32.32 | arsham | hi all, I have trying to make my own local repository, but apt-get doesn't respect the policy I've set, and always wants to install the same package with the same version from the internet |
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| 10:32.35 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 10:32.52 | arsham | how can I solve it? |
| 10:32.59 | LuciusMare | haha |
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| 10:33.16 | Nebukadneza | when wanting to change the kernel commandline parameters of the debian autogenerated grub2 config, where would i do that? i've looked into the scripts of /etc/grub/, but they don't look like to be made to be changed... |
| 10:33.49 | xyan | Nebukadneza: /etc/default/grub |
| 10:34.08 | Nebukadneza | ah! |
| 10:34.28 | Nebukadneza | mhmm the COMMANDLINE_DEFAULT or COMMANDLINE entry? |
| 10:34.40 | xyan | both does the same, appending to the kernel line |
| 10:34.58 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 10:34.59 | Nebukadneza | thanks |
| 10:35.02 | xyan | the default was autogenerated when updateing from grub legacy though |
| 10:35.08 | xyan | so use the other one i guess |
| 10:35.39 | Nebukadneza | ah, kay |
| 10:35.47 | LuciusMare | hm, it seems like i cant pin a whole repo :< |
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| 10:36.06 | Zoup | i need a way to prevent creation of 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 10:36.22 | wols_ | !tell Zoup about 70 |
| 10:36.24 | LugarSivi | Can someone tell me please how can I delete/reset all xfce settings to defaults, as in, how they were when I installed xfce? Thanks. |
| 10:37.03 | Nebukadneza | xyan: worked, thanks |
| 10:37.15 | wols_ | LuciusMare: there probably is a .xfce directory in your ~ |
| 10:37.24 | LuciusMare | :P |
| 10:37.33 | LuciusMare | tab = enemy |
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| 10:40.06 | Zoup | wols_: thanks |
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| 10:40.31 | arsham | LuciusMare, have you been experiencing the pin problem too? |
| 10:40.36 | wols_ | LuciusMare: I'm still looking for the DWIT interface (do what I think) |
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| 10:41.43 | LuciusMare | arsham: sort of, i have two repos, one with older version and higher priority, and one with "better version" but lower priority, i am searching how to fix that |
| 10:42.23 | arsham | LuciusMare, yeah, pinning is naughty , I cannot make my local repo pinned |
| 10:42.55 | arsham | even though I make all the others pinned to 300, still it wants to install from other repos, not my local :(((( |
| 10:43.19 | LuciusMare | then my problem is different, i do not know how to pin the repo :< |
| 10:43.23 | LuciusMare | How did you do that? |
| 10:43.53 | pog | general question about installion via installer - because debootsgtrap is more complicated, I like to install via an normal installer. problem seem's to be that the installer is only available on live-CD. |
| 10:44.17 | arsham | make a file here : /etc/apt/preferences.d/your.file |
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| 10:46.09 | wols_ | pog: no. there is no debian live-cd with an installer. |
| 10:46.16 | wols_ | pog: from what media can you boot? |
| 10:48.58 | pog | i found a package which ist called debian-installer... I can burn CD and boot. But as I do als many USB-Installation, I'm wondring wether there are ways over an installer, rather than debootstrap. |
| 10:49.41 | wols_ | !tell pog about usb install |
| 10:49.53 | pog | it's more a general questions. |
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| 10:51.20 | wols_ | the ask a proper question. until now, it's very hard to make actually sense of your perceived problem |
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| 10:53.47 | pog | I have a running installation, and I like for example to install a parallel installatin. with debootstrap this can be done, but kernel-sources must be installed separately. |
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| 10:54.58 | pog | actually I run more debian based installatins on Live-CD. But there ist always a Package installend: install an this starts the installation. |
| 10:55.59 | wols_ | still waits for a "?" |
| 10:56.09 | pog | I tought, I might be easy. |
| 10:56.24 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 10:56.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 10:56.39 | wols_ | we don't know how "debian based" distros do their installation and we don't care either |
| 10:56.57 | wols_ | and there is no debian live cd with an installer on board. this is not ubuntu |
| 10:57.11 | pog | it was only a general question, but thanks. |
| 10:57.46 | wols_ | since I never saw a ?, there never was a question, was it? |
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| 11:00.43 | pog | I run debians, i installed debians via install CD. and my question was, is this installer also avalable via or in a running installation? (may be there are restrictions). |
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| 11:03.29 | pog | I will do a further research on the package debian-installer, |
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| 11:05.06 | nsadmin | one thing you'll find is debian-install is a lot of little packages |
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| 11:06.37 | arsham | hi all, I have trying to make my own local repository, but apt-get doesn't respect the policy I've set, and always wants to install the same package with the same version from the internet |
| 11:06.40 | arsham | how can I solve it? |
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| 11:07.17 | nsadmin | your role is not to override packages with the same version |
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| 11:07.41 | nsadmin | so if your packages are (somehow) later versions, you'll do better |
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| 11:10.04 | arsham | nsadmin, how about the same version with different signature? |
| 11:10.09 | nsadmin | pog: it's available, you could build it, you can download the parts (they are udebs) |
| 11:10.21 | nsadmin | why should the signature matter |
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| 11:10.29 | pog | thanks nsadmin |
| 11:10.30 | arsham | I mean, I am trying to compile the packages and install them |
| 11:10.42 | nsadmin | if it's the same version, it's the same version |
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| 11:10.59 | arsham | still it tries to install from the internet |
| 11:11.22 | arsham | and I've set the pinning to 900 , but the pin remains on 500 |
| 11:11.26 | nsadmin | maybe you can raise the upload count |
| 11:12.04 | arsham | what does it mean? |
| 11:12.16 | nsadmin | pick one of your packages |
| 11:12.21 | nsadmin | what is the version? |
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| 11:12.57 | arsham | for example : ktorrent 3.3.4+dfsg.1-1ubuntu2 |
| 11:13.29 | arsham | I downloaded the source package, and compiled it, still the same version |
| 11:13.30 | nsadmin | the 1ubuntu2 is in the position of the upload count |
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| 11:13.42 | arsham | how can I change the upload count? |
| 11:14.03 | nsadmin | look at debian/control and debian/changelog |
| 11:14.24 | arsham | ok |
| 11:14.25 | arsham | thanks |
| 11:14.25 | nsadmin | this is for ubuntu? |
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| 11:14.41 | arsham | yes |
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| 11:15.22 | nsadmin | normally you'd use their resources. For one thing, any answer you get here may not be accurate for you |
| 11:15.58 | nsadmin | I even have doubts dpkg is exactly the same... here's why |
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| 11:16.17 | nsadmin | debian has stability as a core value and core goal |
| 11:16.58 | arsham | I used to have debian for 4 years |
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| 11:17.09 | arsham | but ubuntu repos updates faster |
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| 11:17.14 | nsadmin | ubuntu has new packages as its core value, and they are much less interested in stability, as evidenced by the fact that they take debian unstable and work with that for like 6 month |
| 11:18.11 | Guthur | I'm finding debian's fonts hard to read, is there something that would drastically improve this |
| 11:18.17 | nsadmin | so, ubuntu has no interest in dealing with debian testing or debian stable, so they don't share in that part of debian, at all |
| 11:18.20 | Guthur | The text seems blurry |
| 11:18.58 | arsham | I see |
| 11:19.22 | nsadmin | anyway, due to that, ubuntu can and does vary -widely- from debian |
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| 11:19.49 | nsadmin | hence it's a very different dist |
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| 11:20.14 | nsadmin | therefore, to support it here would require us to know both |
| 11:20.18 | arsham | still debian is the father! |
| 11:20.43 | nsadmin | debian is the distant uncle |
| 11:20.49 | Guthur | Ubuntu is good introduction to debian and linux as a whole |
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| 11:20.54 | Guthur | imho |
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| 11:21.49 | nsadmin | and so... this is why you will typically meet with severe resistance if you ask about ubuntu here |
| 11:22.14 | Guthur | Best to go to #ubuntu |
| 11:22.23 | Guthur | Or the ubuntu website |
| 11:22.53 | arsham | I wish I could find a bleeding edge repo for debain |
| 11:23.03 | Guthur | I have probably found answers to 95% of any issues with Ubuntu there |
| 11:23.05 | arsham | so I could happily get back to using debain again |
| 11:23.06 | nsadmin | it's called unstable |
| 11:23.48 | nsadmin | bleeding edge is available (in unstable) but even that is not supported here |
| 11:23.49 | arsham | so you say, unstable release the packages as fast as ubuntu does? |
| 11:24.17 | will | ubuntu=debian experimental |
| 11:24.28 | MeglaW | no |
| 11:24.31 | nsadmin | faster, since ubuntu takes snapshot of debian and then releases in 6 months |
| 11:24.34 | MeglaW | ubuntu = debian made stupid |
| 11:24.48 | arsham | that was the better one! |
| 11:24.52 | MeglaW | !tell will about ubuntu |
| 11:24.53 | arsham | yeah, I like that |
| 11:25.00 | aburch | arsham: Unstbale is more current for most packages (exceptions being GNOME and some others) |
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| 11:25.22 | Guthur | I don't see how its stupid, it has worked well enough for me in the past |
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| 11:26.34 | pog | arsham: is sidux not debian based on Sid |
| 11:26.54 | nsadmin | I won't say stupid, but what I will say is, it's a -requirement- on #ubuntu for helpers to NOT ask helpees to search or read |
| 11:27.21 | nsadmin | I got banned by saying "if you require that of me, you must pay me." |
| 11:27.30 | MeglaW | !tell Guthur about ubuntu |
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| 11:28.31 | Guthur | meglaw: I wasn't really asking for ubuntu support I was just giving another perspective to your comment |
| 11:28.35 | Argafal | !ubuntu |
| 11:28.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:28.57 | Guthur | I used the same Ubuntu install for about 3/4 of a year with no really major problems |
| 11:29.11 | nsadmin | I'll even go out on a limb and say that it's not based on debian |
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| 11:30.14 | pog | there are some linux questions which are not strikty distribution based. |
| 11:30.21 | Guthur | The problem with debians slow stable release is that computing moves a lot faster, not having some common hardware support in the shipped stable kernel is problematic for users |
| 11:30.41 | pog | as very spezific questions nobody can answer... |
| 11:31.17 | arsham | nsadmin, you are right, I checked distrowatch |
| 11:31.26 | pog | no it's sometimne difficult to get answers. |
| 11:31.46 | nsadmin | pog: true, and you may find that distribution-based channels are not the source of best information (in fact some dist-based channels find generic questions off topic) |
| 11:31.51 | arsham | seems in some points, debian release is more uptodate, but some in ubuntu is newer |
| 11:32.10 | pog | nsadmin: is there a general linux channel? |
| 11:32.25 | nsadmin | I think it might be called... |
| 11:32.27 | Guthur | pog #linux maybe |
| 11:32.28 | nsadmin | wait for it... |
| 11:32.33 | nsadmin | #linux |
| 11:32.39 | nsadmin | or actually ##linux |
| 11:33.11 | pog | may be mailing lists are sometimes mor efficient for some more complex and may be design questions. |
| 11:33.24 | nsadmin | the only person in the world who could get #linux here is Linus Torvalds |
| 11:33.34 | pog | also differences sometimes are interesting. |
| 11:33.45 | pog | :-) |
| 11:34.26 | arsham | nsadmin, I want to get back to debain again! how could I do that without fresh installing it? |
| 11:34.34 | jelly-home | pog: they indeed are. But this particular channel caters to tech support for a specific distro; other topics may be tolerated during idle times |
| 11:34.59 | will | arsham: what is debain? |
| 11:35.12 | arsham | sorry typo, debian |
| 11:35.18 | nsadmin | other topics may be tolerated given certain people not present |
| 11:35.33 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 11:35.33 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 11:36.15 | nsadmin | I have never seen .ian packages |
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| 11:36.56 | nsadmin | the wife is so incredibly represented... |
| 11:37.06 | will | Is it a real Debian channel support or some stupid kid channel? |
| 11:37.30 | nsadmin | it's not paid support |
| 11:37.38 | nsadmin | so you get what you get |
| 11:37.44 | will | not paid no help? |
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| 11:38.15 | jelly-home | will: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 11:38.42 | will | jelly-home: not for the moment but maybe anyone else could have one |
| 11:38.56 | jelly-home | will: best to keep quiet, then |
| 11:38.56 | nsadmin | there's definitely the feeling among some that helpers here ought to get paid, and helpees should be doing the paying |
| 11:39.17 | will | jelly-home: that's what I would tell for everyone |
| 11:39.21 | jelly-home | nsadmin: noone is stopping you from creating ##debian-paid-support |
| 11:40.58 | Guthur | Jelly-home: It does say "This is a discussion channel" |
| 11:41.05 | nsadmin | I don't actually think it would produce enough income |
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| 11:41.13 | Guthur | I don't think the discussion was OT either |
| 11:41.17 | nsadmin | there are other things that would produce far more |
| 11:46.07 | jelly-home | arsham: you will have to install it, but you may want to keep current user data in /home. If you have a separate filesystem for /home this will be easy to do |
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| 11:48.27 | nsadmin | I also believe that there are certain software distributions for which debian ought to maintain several versions of per current dist (stable, testing, unstable at minimum), postgres being one of those. |
| 11:48.33 | arsham | jelly-home, thanks, that's the way we keep the home mount point separated! mine is actived for 6 years so far |
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| 11:50.36 | nsadmin | the other part is you'll have to create your users in the same order they were created on the old installation; the issue is really the user id number |
| 11:51.14 | nsadmin | you can either do that or create users of the same name and chown their files |
| 11:51.21 | jelly-home | order is irrelevant; it's jsut the uid/username mapping |
| 11:52.11 | nsadmin | it's not irrelevent... if you do it in the same order, you have a fair chance of not having to remap or chown |
| 11:52.37 | jelly-home | you mustn't rely on that anyway... so, irrelevant |
| 11:52.52 | jelly-home | one can just copy/paste relevant entries from old /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} |
| 11:52.53 | aburch | adduser --uid $uid $user will also work. |
| 11:53.01 | nsadmin | sounds like a rule :) |
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| 11:54.00 | nsadmin | well I thought of that, but since debian will have a different set of system users, I didn't think it was a good idea |
| 11:55.15 | nsadmin | aburch, yeah, that would work fine too; it's easy enough to determine the number by looking at the home dirs |
| 11:55.25 | jelly-home | (keyword was _relevant_) that's why you don't copy system users, but only lines for real users |
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| 11:56.34 | nsadmin | if you do that, you run certain risks... for one thing, it's not portable; it may or may not be the same in the future; another thing you shouldn't depend on |
| 11:57.00 | nsadmin | there are already two kinds of passwds that could go into shadow |
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| 11:59.25 | jelly-home | not portable? I moved users from Solaris to Linux that way. crypt(3) will tell you how portable it is |
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| 11:59.42 | LugarSivi | Can someone tell me please how can I delete/reset all xfce settings to defaults, as in, how they were when I installed xfce? Thanks... |
| 12:00.15 | nsadmin | see if you have a dir called ~/.xfce |
| 12:00.20 | nsadmin | or somethign like that |
| 12:00.25 | aburch | jelly-home: It tells that it is not protable when not using DES? |
| 12:00.31 | nsadmin | you'll need -a on ls |
| 12:00.31 | yang | How could I mount this type of device - http://pastebin.com/sASF7iBt |
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| 12:01.19 | sernin | win 2 |
| 12:01.37 | sernin | learns to put the slash first |
| 12:02.00 | nsadmin | yang what kind of filesystem is it? |
| 12:02.09 | yang | nsadmin: I think fat32 |
| 12:02.13 | nsadmin | you mean what the kernel detects as sda right? |
| 12:02.27 | nsadmin | the type might be vfat |
| 12:02.31 | yang | nsadmin: its a mobile phone, with microsd flash card |
| 12:02.37 | jelly-home | aburch: thankfully the user above will the moving from a glibc system (ubuntu) to a glibc 2.7 system (debian stable) |
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| 12:03.08 | yang | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /whatever ? |
| 12:03.17 | nsadmin | worth a shot |
| 12:03.28 | nsadmin | maybe it will autodetect vfat |
| 12:03.40 | nsadmin | in which case you can leave -t vfat out |
| 12:03.56 | yang | mount: no medium found on /dev/sda |
| 12:04.34 | nsadmin | then you need to find out why that happens |
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| 12:05.25 | nsadmin | it's looking like the phone does not present itself thru usb as a usb storage |
| 12:05.34 | jelly-home | yang: typically usb sticks and memory cards have a single partition on them, and a fs on that partition |
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| 12:06.07 | yang | jelly-home: maybe I forgot to mkfs on the SD card |
| 12:06.25 | jelly-home | yang: in your case however it seems no partition table was detected by the kernel |
| 12:06.27 | yang | but...it wasn't recommended as the phone figures some kind of fs by itself |
| 12:06.30 | nsadmin | the kernel would report the partition if that were the case |
| 12:06.41 | jelly-home | yang: or you didn't paste enough of the dmesg |
| 12:06.54 | yang | jelly-home: all of the dmesg |
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| 12:07.26 | jelly-home | yang: does eg. "blkid" recognize any filesystem on that device? |
| 12:07.27 | nsadmin | dmesg output is generally much longer and reports on all kinds of things |
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| 12:08.04 | yang | jelly-home: nope |
| 12:08.27 | yang | resticking it |
| 12:08.46 | jelly-home | yang: sucks to be you, contact the vendor for help |
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| 12:09.36 | yang | http://pastebin.com/Rw9jQikC |
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| 12:26.57 | yang | taking micro sd card out of mobile, placing it into a sd card resizer and a laptop will resolve the partition |
| 12:28.40 | jelly-home | it's quite possible a fdisk and a mkfs would make it usable as well |
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| 12:29.23 | jelly-home | yang: do you already have some data on that card? |
| 12:29.27 | frostschutz | yang: can you read data from sda at all? if so how does the data you can read compare to what you get when using the card directly? also try file -s /dev/sda |
| 12:30.57 | yang | jelly-home: yes, i have the data and I could read it while having it connected directly into laptop's SD slot |
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| 12:32.13 | jelly-home | yang: and how does the card look when connected directly, does it have a partition on it? |
| 12:32.21 | yang | yep |
| 12:32.30 | yang | [ 3244.668202] mmcblk0: mmc0:aaaa SU01G 942 MiB |
| 12:32.30 | yang | [ 3244.668282] mmcblk0: p1 |
| 12:32.30 | yang | [ 3244.820332] mmcblk0: retrying using single block read |
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| 12:35.40 | jelly-home | then your phone acts wonky. |
| 12:35.54 | yang | yep |
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| 12:37.45 | Nebukadneza | oi |
| 12:38.33 | Nebukadneza | Oo another grub question ... i'm just booted into a grml recovering grub after installing windows ... how can i make update-grub (or whatever is responsible for this) discover for OS'es again so it writes a config for that windows? |
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| 12:41.39 | jelly-home | yang: or it could be a cheapo card that the phone just doesn't know how to deal with |
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| 12:46.18 | CapaH | Is it normal for aptitude safe-upgrade to take more than 2 hours, and to show: open: 742811; closed: 504822; defer: 500827; conflict: 99 |
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| 12:46.31 | CapaH | open, closed, and defer continue to grow |
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| 12:47.37 | CapaH | Also my memory and swap are both at 99% |
| 12:47.59 | jelly-home | CapaH: it won't finish that way, kill it |
| 12:48.12 | CapaH | just ctrl+c ? |
| 12:48.21 | jelly-home | aye, if it works |
| 12:48.37 | CapaH | done, so... should I just do aptitude full-upgrade instead? |
| 12:48.48 | jelly-home | what are you really doing? |
| 12:48.55 | CapaH | Trying to go from Lenny to Squeeze |
| 12:49.14 | jelly-home | do you have any third party or nondefault repos enabled? |
| 12:49.19 | CapaH | no |
| 12:49.53 | CapaH | actually, is "debian-multimedia.org" third party/non default? |
| 12:50.07 | jelly-home | CapaH: yes, disable it temporarily |
| 12:50.10 | CapaH | ok done |
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| 12:50.23 | CapaH | All others are debian.org |
| 12:50.43 | jelly-home | CapaH: uname -r? |
| 12:50.54 | CapaH | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 12:51.01 | jelly-home | you'll hit this bug: |
| 12:51.04 | jelly-home | !squeeze udev |
| 12:51.04 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 12:51.38 | CapaH | so I need to install the new kernel first? |
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| 12:52.18 | jelly-home | CapaH: it might work that way, but I'd advise to go back to lenny, set up lenny-backports repo, install and boot kernel from there |
| 12:52.27 | jelly-home | !bpo lenny |
| 12:52.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell CapaH about bpo |
| 12:52.53 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 12:52.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 12:54.41 | MeglaW | i cant get my wlan card working. :( |
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| 12:55.06 | cahoot | !wifi |
| 12:55.06 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 12:55.12 | MeglaW | hrhr |
| 12:55.24 | MeglaW | or rather, i cant get wicd-curses to use it hehe |
| 12:55.38 | cahoot | MeglaW: else produce a more meaningful error msg |
| 12:55.57 | MeglaW | no wlancard found |
| 12:56.13 | MeglaW | no it says "no wireless networks found" |
| 12:56.25 | MeglaW | yet iwlist wlan0 scan shows aps |
| 12:56.28 | cahoot | MeglaW: so read the msg from the bot |
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| 12:59.19 | CapaH | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
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| 12:59.30 | erry | Hi um |
| 12:59.33 | erry | before i get to login |
| 12:59.36 | erry | my laptop turns off |
| 12:59.36 | CapaH | (That is when following the instructions at: backports.org |
| 12:59.38 | erry | and um |
| 12:59.44 | erry | an orange light turns on |
| 12:59.48 | kavakava | The last months I've had problems with some unicode signs in Iceweasel. Is this a known problem? |
| 12:59.49 | erry | And then everything turns off |
| 12:59.54 | erry | :S |
| 13:00.40 | erry | oiooioi |
| 13:00.42 | CapaH | nm got it |
| 13:01.11 | xand | erry: plug the power cable in |
| 13:01.30 | erry | it is |
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| 13:01.41 | erry | and the lid that shows power is connected is on |
| 13:01.54 | erry | right now im logged in to a ocnsole |
| 13:01.59 | erry | but it says temperature is 94C |
| 13:02.02 | erry | and i cant bring it down |
| 13:02.06 | erry | altho i connected a cooler |
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| 13:03.02 | MeglaW | i dont see how that helps, i have it installed |
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| 13:04.04 | cahoot | MeglaW: what make/model? |
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| 13:05.41 | MeglaW | a ralink |
| 13:05.49 | MeglaW | but its not the driver, as i said |
| 13:05.56 | MeglaW | i get listings of ap with iwlist |
| 13:05.57 | CapaH | jelly-home, I just want to confirm this: apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-amd64 <-- that is what I am installing. Is this correct, are there any other packages I need besides the linux-image ? |
| 13:06.01 | MeglaW | i wanna use wicd |
| 13:06.08 | jelly-home | CapaH: that's it |
| 13:06.24 | cahoot | MeglaW: what module |
| 13:07.30 | CapaH | great, one more question. Every time I upgrade a kernel I am forced to use module-assistant to re-install my nvidia and ath (wifi) -- any way around that? |
| 13:07.49 | jelly-home | CapaH: if you had binary-only graphic drivers like nvidia's, you'd also need linux-headers-*, but support for that seems to be buggy in lenny-backports at the moment |
| 13:08.00 | jelly-home | eh. |
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| 13:08.27 | MeglaW | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/xtSdfMzZ |
| 13:08.40 | jelly-home | CapaH: do you use ath for internet access? |
| 13:08.44 | CapaH | yes |
| 13:08.48 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 13:08.50 | CapaH | but I have access to a direct connection also |
| 13:09.24 | cahoot | MeglaW: try modprobe -r rt2500pci , modprobe rt2500pci, dmesg|tail 20 - any complaints? |
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| 13:10.11 | jelly-home | CapaH: dunno, you can try and see if installing linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.2-amd64 will work for you |
| 13:10.20 | CapaH | I suppose I have to :) |
| 13:10.21 | MeglaW | yeah |
| 13:10.22 | MeglaW | tail: cannot open `20' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 13:10.40 | CapaH | So lenny-backports is meant to be the 'stable' version of 'testing' ? |
| 13:11.01 | CapaH | created because lenny as a whole tends to be out of date? |
| 13:11.09 | xand | MeglaW: it's -20 |
| 13:11.50 | jelly-home | CapaH: it's a set of newer versions of some often-used packages, built to work on lenny |
| 13:12.19 | MeglaW | http://pastebin.com/6Tw1aFFr |
| 13:12.25 | MeglaW | so no, no issues |
| 13:12.28 | CapaH | I see. So once I am done with this, I should still try and upgrade into squeeze separately |
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| 13:12.52 | jelly-home | CapaH: yes. you're just using the backported kernel to work around the udev issue |
| 13:12.58 | CapaH | gotcha |
| 13:13.21 | CapaH | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.32 | jelly-home | yeah :-| |
| 13:14.10 | CapaH | So I will need to boot into the new kernel, upgrade to testing, then install headers |
| 13:14.18 | CapaH | and meanwhile be without wifi and nvidia :) |
| 13:14.21 | jelly-home | right |
| 13:14.25 | CapaH | ok good deal |
| 13:14.35 | CapaH | off I go. Thanks for the help |
| 13:14.55 | jelly-home | CapaH: except, in testing you'll be installing testing's kernel _and_ headers, and use those |
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| 13:16.15 | jelly-home | CapaH: either that or try using testing and install lenny-backports headers, which might work when you get squeeze repos available |
| 13:16.33 | jelly-home | because there is a linux-kbuild-2.6.32 in squeeze |
| 13:16.44 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.32 --arch amd64 |
| 13:16.45 | judd | linux-kbuild-2.6.32 -- sid: 2.6.32-1; squeeze: 2.6.32-1 |
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| 13:20.28 | MeglaW | haha |
| 13:20.34 | MeglaW | do i feel stupid |
| 13:20.41 | MeglaW | i just forgot to start the deamon |
| 13:20.44 | MeglaW | works now. :) |
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| 13:33.10 | tomolds | Hi, I'm booting from the CD and I'm getting aked a few language questions then it says that it was unable to mount CD and it's probably due to CD not being in the drive. It's an extremely old machine, any ideas how to solve this one? |
| 13:33.55 | MeglaW | wierd, lan cards right next to eatchother and thay get widly diffrent signal streangths hehe |
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| 13:34.15 | shylent | lan cards? signal strength? |
| 13:34.22 | MeglaW | wlan even hehe |
| 13:34.23 | shylent | must be something clogging the tubes, certainly! |
| 13:34.28 | MeglaW | hehe |
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| 13:37.32 | xand | tomolds: how old? |
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| 13:40.08 | tomolds | xand: It's a 133Mhz |
| 13:40.27 | tomolds | xand: It's kinda working now, just very unreliable. My aim is just to get an OS on it then take it from there. |
| 13:40.51 | xand | that must be 15 years old. is it really worth it? |
| 13:41.11 | tomolds | xand: I'm cheap :-) |
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| 13:41.31 | xand | save the electricity then ;) |
| 13:41.53 | tomolds | xand: heh yup but that involves forking out on a new machine |
| 13:42.28 | frostschutz | tomolds: I have a P1 133Mhz but clocked at 100Mhz because the board can't do more :) it originally came with a P90 |
| 13:43.08 | aburch | tomolds: Don't you get faster computer free nowadays? We threw away 400 MHz Pentium-II stuff two years ago. |
| 13:43.49 | xand | we scrap pentium D machines atm |
| 13:43.59 | xand | they're dual-core 64-bit cpu machines |
| 13:44.11 | tomolds | xand: lol I gotta get me one of those. |
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| 13:44.32 | tomolds | I just asked around and so far this is all that cropped up. |
| 13:45.05 | frostschutz | tomolds: if anything I'd do the actual install on a faster machine and then just put the hard disk back in the old one and hope it will boot |
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| 13:47.02 | frostschutz | tomolds: and or maybe even use a ready to use image like damn small linux or something, there ought to be some distro around targeted at old crap |
| 13:48.30 | Sushiyant | I installed a pkg with this command (./pkg.run) how i can uninstall it now |
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| 13:50.26 | frostschutz | Sushiyant: if it doesn't provide a working uninstall routine, by manually undoing everything ./pkg.run did... if it was a deb, apt-get/dpkg would do this stuff for you, but if you installed it manually, you have to remove manually as well... |
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| 13:51.42 | Sushiyant | frostschutz: tnx |
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| 14:02.25 | Bushmills | hi. just a note of warning with recent sid grub upgrade: it suggests, "may be a good idea", to install grub boot sector on second disk too - on doing so it may not only install boot sector, but also overwrite partition table, leaving an appently unparitioned drive after next boot. |
| 14:02.44 | mulemans | Hi, i got multiple users server, and every user have www dir (/home/user/public_html/). How can i make this file invisable for not owners? Using nginx+fcgi. |
| 14:04.22 | Bushmills | chgrp www-data, chmod 750 |
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| 14:14.46 | mulemans | yea, +spawn-fcgi whith user rights... now this have a sense |
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| 14:16.07 | l403 | hello I come yet again in seek of help with package versioning.. |
| 14:16.35 | l403 | libstdc++6 4.3 |
| 14:16.54 | l403 | what version of the library is that supposed to be |
| 14:16.55 | l403 | ? |
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| 14:17.15 | jelly-home | l403: why do you ask; what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 14:17.37 | jelly-home | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 14:17.38 | judd | libstdc++6 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.2-9; sid: 4.4.4-1; experimental: 4.5.0-2 |
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| 14:18.02 | l403 | I am trying to install a deb package not from repo that needs version 6 of that library or higher |
| 14:18.52 | jelly-home | l403: which package; which third party repo; can you paste the control file for that package, or apt-cache show foo if it's not installed yet? |
| 14:19.19 | jelly-home | l403: or dpkg -I foo.deb |
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| 14:20.10 | jelly-home | l403: typically libstd++6 is versioned just like the gcc/g++ it's built from |
| 14:20.13 | l403 | eh, hmm |
| 14:20.18 | l403 | one sec |
| 14:20.54 | l403 | ok, it wants 4.4 |
| 14:21.16 | l403 | need to get that then |
| 14:21.28 | jelly-home | please pastebin actual stuff that I asked, l403 |
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| 14:21.56 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 14:22.20 | l403 | I know how to paste |
| 14:22.32 | l403 | just screen interfering with my text selection |
| 14:23.19 | jelly-home | also, which debian release are you running |
| 14:23.35 | l403 | lenny |
| 14:24.03 | jelly-home | it will be nontrivial to install libstdc++ from gcc 4.4, then |
| 14:24.57 | l403 | would you recommend moving up to Sid maybe on a home computer that does not need to be extra stable? compiling from source the new stuff like pidgin, abiword always gets me pissed off |
| 14:26.26 | l403 | argh, I know how to paste but not how to grab text from xterm >_< |
| 14:26.53 | Guthur | When trying to compile 2.6.33 I got -> The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.33" |
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| 14:27.04 | nsadmin | try right click copy |
| 14:28.06 | l403 | nsadmin, rightclick is just a different way of moving the selection boundaries |
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| 14:28.29 | jelly-home | l403: squeeze, perhaps, if you absolutely must run that binary. sid, no. |
| 14:28.40 | l403 | I guess the paste is not needed anymore since I see it wants 4.4 and I have 4.3 |
| 14:29.05 | nsadmin | why do you want these newer things? |
| 14:29.11 | wols_ | Guthur: check bts |
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| 14:29.31 | jelly-home | l403: you _could_ tell us which package and where it comes from, to see if there's a viable alternative that'd let you keep debian 5 |
| 14:29.40 | l403 | jelly-home, its dunelegacy :) I absolutely must - not. but having up-to-date relases of packages would be very nice |
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| 14:30.08 | jelly-home | that felt like pulling teeth |
| 14:30.15 | nsadmin | for... no particular reason? |
| 14:30.28 | nsadmin | other than how nice it would be? |
| 14:30.50 | nsadmin | go for it if you want... |
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| 14:30.59 | nsadmin | note that you can also build gcc |
| 14:31.12 | l403 | Guthur, the empty quotes dont match the string of "2.6.33" so I guess you need to fill in the version so it matches |
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| 14:31.33 | Guthur | wols_: It says it should have been patched |
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| 14:32.01 | Guthur | |403 there is only two defines in version.h and neither of them are strings |
| 14:32.06 | nsadmin | and if you do build gcc-4.4 under lenny, it will try to match itself with what you have |
| 14:32.17 | nsadmin | binutils version, libs, etc |
| 14:32.30 | jelly-home | l403: this? http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page you could build it from source and forget about packaging |
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| 14:33.56 | Guthur | Ah crap |
| 14:34.05 | l403 | jelly-home, I guess I could but I think I will go up to squeeze |
| 14:34.11 | Guthur | I selected the initial release, Not RC-3 |
| 14:34.44 | Guthur | It appears after all the RCs. That will teach me for not being observant |
| 14:34.59 | neoice | so I managed to break my ldap config quite spectacularly. I've narrowed it down to being able to `nc` the port (localhost:ldaps) but `ldapsearch -H ldaps://localhost` fails |
| 14:35.04 | jelly-home | l403: YMMV. Building one application seems less work than upgrading to current testing. |
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| 14:38.03 | l403 | jelly-home, for now yes but I have been building stuff like pidgin, abiword, mplayer, gstreamer ... which I wanted with new features and squeeze would probably move me to more recent things, wouldn't it? |
| 14:39.07 | l403 | ..and I have been compiling abiword for several hours on this machine for example |
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| 14:39.27 | l403 | not fun since I just needed docx support |
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| 14:41.12 | neoice | anyone familiar with LDAP and/or 'bad group ID' ? |
| 14:42.11 | jelly-home | l403: yeah, sounds like it might be easier to just go over to testing |
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| 14:42.43 | jelly-home | openoffice.org 3.x seems to read docx |
| 14:43.51 | l403 | I dont need/want oO ABiword and gnumeric is all I need |
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| 14:52.49 | mulemans | Why spwan-fcgi run always 6 process if i use '-C 1' ? ;\ |
| 14:53.44 | woodworks | i was just reading debian pkgs page, is python2.5 the default install for stable version? any problems running 2.6? |
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| 14:58.20 | jelly-home | woodworks: lots, but it'll be the default and /usr/bin/python in the next release |
| 14:59.16 | woodworks | oh, sounds like learning curve for me ahead, thnx |
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| 15:02.24 | jelly-home | !python2.6 |
| 15:02.24 | dpkg | it has been said that python 2.6 is a work in progress. Changes to the underlying python module layout makes for a lot of work to get everything to work nicely with this version. The python2.6 package is now available in sid and squeeze for further testing and all modules are being updated to support it. Around 450 packages need to be binNMUd and python2.4 needs to be removed before python 2.6 can become the default python in squeeze. |
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| 15:02.51 | jelly-home | !factinfo python2.6 |
| 15:02.51 | dpkg | python2.6 -- created by themill <n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Sat Jan 16 16:36:09 2010 (104 days); it has been requested 13 times, last by jelly-home, 27s ago. |
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| 15:04.16 | Guthur | By the sounds of it python will have finally moved to 3.x before debian has got to 2.6 |
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| 15:06.00 | woodworks | wow, works fine on ms windows, but i'm no power user |
| 15:06.09 | themill | Guthur: py3k is so far off in the future that no, it won't... |
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| 15:06.31 | Guthur | At the speed debian moves don't be too sure, hehe |
| 15:06.47 | themill | py2.6 should be the default in the next month(ish) |
| 15:07.08 | hd1 | is eeebuntu based on debian or ubuntu? |
| 15:07.59 | poncha | i have a folder with (a lot of) package files in it. when running dpkg -i packages/* , dpkg fails to install them because it doesnt resolve correct installation order (deps). what can i do to install them all (without manually writing the order for each file for dplg - there are hundreds of files in the folder) |
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| 15:10.21 | themill | poncha: put them in a repo and let apt do the hard work |
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| 15:17.03 | poncha | themill: how do i construct a repo out of arbitrary *.deb's ? |
| 15:17.14 | themill | !own repo |
| 15:17.14 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
| 15:18.54 | poncha | themill: what i actually need to do is to package all packages i need (apache mysql mtop, all kinds of libs and compilers etc) on one machine for another one's offline installation ... so maybe theres a better approach ... ;) |
| 15:19.25 | poisonbit | preseed |
| 15:19.32 | poisonbit | appendix B of installer manual |
| 15:19.46 | poisonbit | and a script as a late-command |
| 15:19.46 | themill | poncha: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 15:19.50 | poncha | what i'm doing right now is dpkg install --reinstall -d `dpkg --get-selections | cut -d\ -f1` and then copy all the files from /var/cache/apt/archives ... |
| 15:20.11 | poisonbit | oh, ofline installation, forget what i said |
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| 15:33.06 | Hotzzenplotzz | moin ;) |
| 15:33.12 | mbruins | hi, i installed debian lenny, but i really need to latest version of gtk-gnutella. i already checked backports its not in there.. any suggestions? |
| 15:34.01 | avar | mbruins: install it from testing/unstable? |
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| 15:34.29 | avar | mbruins: they have 0.96.8-1, stable has 0.96.5-1 |
| 15:34.35 | edo1493 | why does debian use proprietary software? |
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| 15:34.54 | themill | mbruins: it looks to be a fairly straightforward backport to recompile the sid package for lenny. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:34.59 | edo1493 | doesn't it be a GNU/Linux distro? |
| 15:35.29 | themill | wonders what edo1493 is talking about |
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| 15:36.09 | edo1493 | themill, :| |
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| 15:37.57 | jelly-home | edo1493: your question seems loaded, care to be more specific? |
| 15:38.37 | edo1493 | jelly-home, I mean proprietary firmware..and non-free repository |
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| 15:39.01 | themill | edo1493: in what way is the debian project "using" these things as you suggest? |
| 15:39.24 | themill | looks at edo1493's client version and warms up the troll-stamp |
| 15:39.26 | edo1493 | gnu project says that debian isn't a free system |
| 15:39.40 | edo1493 | http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
| 15:39.55 | themill | edo1493: and debian says that the GNU project isn't free either. Where does that get us now? |
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| 15:40.12 | edo1493 | themill, are you joking? |
| 15:40.21 | edo1493 | GNU is free as in freedom |
| 15:40.21 | themill | !gfdl |
| 15:40.21 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 15:40.30 | jelly-home | edo1493: differing definitions of "free" and "what Debian comprises of" |
| 15:40.50 | themill | edo1493: I am not. Some of the policies and licences of the fsf are very non-free, in the eyes of debian. |
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| 15:40.55 | themill | dpkg: tell near about root |
| 15:41.01 | edo1493 | wasn't Debian a GNU system? |
| 15:41.28 | themill | edo1493: define "GNU system" |
| 15:41.53 | edo1493 | ok |
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| 15:42.33 | edo1493 | Gnu system was born in 1983, founded by rms. It's a replacement of Unix, a free replacement, and now it's mixed with Linux |
| 15:42.51 | themill | edo1493: you've just described every single linux distro out there. |
| 15:43.34 | edo1493 | .-. |
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| 15:43.55 | edo1493 | the question is: Why does debian use proprietary firmware and software? |
| 15:43.59 | edo1493 | like Linux |
| 15:44.05 | edo1493 | it's not free as in freedom |
| 15:44.11 | themill | edo1493: debian does not use proprietary firmware or software. |
| 15:44.12 | thrashold | edo1493: Only if you enable non-free |
| 15:44.23 | edo1493 | Debian uses Linux the kernel |
| 15:44.31 | edo1493 | http://kernel.org |
| 15:44.34 | themill | edo1493: and this coming from someone who is currently running ubuntu is beyond a joke. |
| 15:44.38 | edo1493 | Linux has proprietary software |
| 15:44.39 | \amethyst | themill: he's talking about firmware blobs |
| 15:44.47 | themill | \amethyst: debian isn't using them... |
| 15:44.50 | edo1493 | themill, I'm using a free distro |
| 15:44.56 | themill | edo1493: sure... |
| 15:44.57 | edo1493 | it's gNewSense |
| 15:45.05 | edo1493 | It's based on Ubuntu |
| 15:45.06 | thrashold | The non-free firmware isn't in main |
| 15:45.15 | edo1493 | they didn't rename all the packages |
| 15:45.19 | trroulouloiu | hi when i shutdown gnome ; i do not get back ti tty7 but to tty1 and cant not see output messages |
| 15:45.32 | themill | In any case, this is not a user-support question. You might find someone in #debian-offtopic interested in discussing this. |
| 15:46.39 | edo1493 | "Debian has repeatedly made tacit or explicit exceptions for specific pieces of nonfree software, such as the blobs included in or accompanying Linux" |
| 15:46.49 | Guthur | themill: It does say when you enter that this is Debian Discussion channel |
| 15:46.56 | Guthur | Not just a User support channel |
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| 15:47.05 | themill | Guthur: this is a user support channel. |
| 15:47.22 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 15:47.23 | dutchfish | edo1493: offtopic ! plz join #debian-offtopic |
| 15:47.25 | Guthur | But it does not actually say that |
| 15:47.41 | edo1493 | god |
| 15:47.44 | edo1493 | ok |
| 15:48.10 | dutchfish | edo1493: hi, what is your greeve? |
| 15:48.46 | dutchfish | ok |
| 15:49.04 | edo1493 | I want to know why free software comunity is divide into two big family |
| 15:49.09 | Guthur | Though to be honest a GNU evangelism discussion would probably be considered OT |
| 15:49.40 | edo1493 | ok |
| 15:49.47 | edo1493 | I'm in OT channel |
| 15:49.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | hmm, there's still the linux libre project |
| 15:50.46 | neoice | I just learned about dpkg-diverge. I'm guessing its advised against to replace core system binaries though |
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| 15:53.57 | rgr | debian squeeze on a thinkpad t60, and bluetooth wont see my new android phone. Any known issues? |
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| 16:00.27 | wathek | hello all I'm configuring a PDC but when I try to add a Windows machine to the Domain I put the username/password of the domain admin and it says the username is unavailble |
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| 16:18.08 | Ax18 | I was told this is the place to go when it comes to conspiracy..... |
| 16:18.21 | Ax18 | ::Chuckles:: |
| 16:18.38 | mirak | hi |
| 16:18.38 | jhutchins_lt | Ax18: Don't tell anyone, it's a secret. |
| 16:19.00 | Ax18 | lol... |
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| 16:19.14 | Kin`Away | hi all |
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| 16:19.19 | Ax18 | Hey! |
| 16:19.32 | K0JIbKA | hi all! |
| 16:19.42 | Ax18 | 'lo |
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| 16:20.31 | jelly-home | neoice: dpkg-divert? It depends on what you're planning to replace and reasons to do it |
| 16:20.57 | mirak | I was thinking of gvfs, fusegvfs and the fact that an application like cp will certainly never implement gvfs. So I was thinking that one day we could have cp behing able to do "cp ssh:me@somewhere:/file ./" |
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| 16:21.37 | Ax18 | Question: what do you fellow geeks (as debian user/dev's) think about ubuntu 10.04?? |
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| 16:21.45 | neoice | jelly-home: I actually saw it for `chsh` since it breaks under LDAP. I'm thinking of actually doing it for `passwd` since myself and root are the only local users and it seems next to impossible to get LDAPS password changes set up. |
| 16:22.25 | jelly-home | neoice: libpam* and libnss* don't quite cut it for you, eh? |
| 16:22.47 | neoice | jelly-home: there's a major bug with those libraries and LDAP+SSL |
| 16:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: cp doesn't interact directly with the filesystem. |
| 16:22.53 | neoice | and su/sudo |
| 16:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: what's wrong with scp for your task? |
| 16:23.14 | mirak | or something like "automnt cp ssh:me@somewhere:/file ./" with automnt that would intercept cp calls to the filesystem, create the mounts like /mnt/ssh/me/somewhere/ and redirects cp calls to this new root |
| 16:23.37 | wols_ | mirak: we already have sshfs |
| 16:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: If you mount the filesystem with sshfs, cp will work just fine. |
| 16:24.00 | neoice | jelly-home: its from Ubuntu's bugtracker, but I'm having the same issue on Debian Testing/Sid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/423252 |
| 16:24.20 | jelly-home | mirak: I'd rather prefer that gfvs used fuse internally and made actual filesystem namespace changes (proper mounts) so that any app could use it, not just gnome |
| 16:24.35 | mirak | jhutchins_lt, you may ask what is wrong with wget, rsync, smbfs etcetera, that's a lot, and you need a special command for each |
| 16:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: So you want one command that will do everything? That's just silly. |
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| 16:25.28 | mirak | jelly-home, I was thinking that what does gvfs could be implemented in the kernel vfs or something. but not sure |
| 16:25.31 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: he wants to transparently access everything available as files via gvfs modules, from any app |
| 16:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Hope he enjoys wading through thirty-leven switches then. |
| 16:26.11 | mirak | jhutchins_lt, lol that's not sillier than having a browser that allows you to browse ftp:// ssh:// http:// file:// |
| 16:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Clearly someone who came into IT and assumed it's long evolution was a spur-of-the-moment invention from last week. |
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| 16:27.27 | jelly-home | mirak: you can do that with autofs and various FUSE-based filesystems. I had sshfs and curlftpfs automountable, but sshfs broke since. |
| 16:27.44 | Ax18 | ::Whine:: my head hurts....I love listening to the pro's |
| 16:27.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's a very reasonable request |
| 16:28.13 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: why Gnome and KDE has to invent their own VFS each, is another question |
| 16:28.16 | jelly-home | hda* |
| 16:28.21 | jelly-home | had* dammit |
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| 16:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: It would make much more sense for a vfs to be implemented at console level rather than in a GUI. Eventually, it will sort itself out. |
| 16:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | Then again, it's a convenience, not an essential system function. |
| 16:29.27 | jelly-home | mirak: so, accessing /net/ftpfs/debian.iskon.hr/ on my machine mounts the ftp site and I can use the files "directly" |
| 16:29.39 | mirak | jhutchins_lt, I don't see the point of doing "mount -t sshfs me@somewhere://folder/ /mnt/me@somwhere && cp /mnt/me@somwhere/file ./" while you could have all done in one shot with "cp ssh:me@somewhere://folder/file ./" |
| 16:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | Strange that the vast majority of users today have never even seen a mainframe. |
| 16:29.55 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: noone argued it was essential |
| 16:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: That's what scp is for. |
| 16:30.34 | Bushmills | started learning on an IBM/370 |
| 16:30.36 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: and one needs a separate tool for each filesystem-like namespace |
| 16:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: GO APL! |
| 16:30.46 | Bushmills | i did |
| 16:30.50 | Bushmills | :D |
| 16:30.51 | jelly-home | mirak: you'd like Plan9. :-> |
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| 16:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Exactly. They can be developed and evolved indivitually. Then we tie them together with the illusion of a single GUI. |
| 16:31.24 | jelly-home | UI, not GUI |
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| 16:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | It remains an illusion for the feeble minded, but it's there so they don't fret about different mechanisms. |
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| 16:32.34 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I disagree. It's as much an illusion as the "real" files and directories you're dealing with every day. |
| 16:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I have seen the results of one-tool-does-everything, it isn't pretty in the long run. |
| 16:32.46 | mirak | jhutchins_lt, the idea is to have the protocol as part of the path to the file. that's more generic |
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| 16:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | mirak: So we write a wrapper script that calls the correct tool, and then we compile it as a binary so we don't feel so low-tech. |
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| 16:34.53 | jelly-home | would expand it all in the shell, then pass of real paths to applications |
| 16:35.04 | jelly-home | pass off* |
| 16:36.03 | jelly-home | the real trick would be how to know which URLs not to expand to /net/urltype/host/... but to pass as-is |
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| 16:36.51 | jelly-home | s/shell/library_wrapper/, perhaps |
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| 16:37.34 | jelly-home | so one could stat() ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ :-> |
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| 16:38.39 | mirak | jelly-home, gvfs already does that with fusegvfs |
| 16:38.51 | jelly-home | mirak: so why don't you use it? |
| 16:39.25 | mirak | jelly-home, when you pseudo mount a place with nautilus, it magically appears in the mount located in ~/.gvfs/ |
| 16:39.38 | jhutchins_lt | Magic! |
| 16:40.00 | jelly-home | mirak: can you mount it from shell directly? |
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| 16:41.46 | mirak | jelly-home, gnome and kde needed a vfs because applications can't acces to the file systems like they are local file systems. I already asked that, and it looked clear why it was needed. |
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| 16:42.35 | K0JIbKA | I enjoy Debian Stable. Everything is great! A little bit compatibility with Toshiba laptops would be extremely appreciated though. Just resently I managed to activate internal bluetooth adapter. I'm not expert in command line and everything I could was done in GNOME. Same like most other systems an icon appears in panel bar whenever I used to type <modprobe omnibook ectype=14>. It took me some time to set everything with the kind help from http://www.linux |
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| 16:44.06 | jelly-home | mirak: fuse didn't exist back then. Now it does, and there's 0 reason not to present all that stuff as actual filesystem namespace from the bottom up. |
| 16:44.34 | mirak | jelly-home, it's not about something I can't do. I already know all the alternatives. What I am asking is why cp for exemple or anyother application couldn't acces directly to paths like http://somewhere/bla/ unless they implement gvfs libraries. I was just thinking this layer could be handled at kernel level. |
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| 16:45.41 | jelly-home | mirak: some apps actually need URLs as parameters. How will the kernel (or any other layer) know when to handle it and when to pass of to the application witohut changes? |
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| 16:46.20 | mirak | jelly-home, like I said, when you acces / there is no adjustable timeouts etcetera |
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| 16:47.32 | jelly-home | mirak: when I say "foo rsync://blah/ bar", do I want "rsync://blah/" to be handled by the hypothetical kernel vfs, or the app? |
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| 16:47.54 | mirak | jelly-home, when libc change you are forced to adapt your program or to stay with the old version. I don't see how it's different |
| 16:48.45 | jelly-home | mirak: oh, so you're not a big fan of backwards compatibility |
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| 16:49.40 | mirak | jelly-home, when moving to 64bits there was backward compatibilty issues too |
| 16:49.56 | jelly-home | mirak: can you answer this: when I say "foo rsync://blah/ bar", do I want "rsync://blah/" to be handled by the hypothetical kernel vfs, or the app "foo"? |
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| 16:50.34 | jelly-home | mirak: because, that's what the vfs layer will have to figure out. |
| 16:50.37 | wols_ | jelly-home: the app. and then the app does "fopen ("rsync://...)" and the kernel uses that |
| 16:51.54 | wols_ | this of course depends on the app to not do too much input validation or "proper" input validation which is a big if |
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| 16:53.08 | xingu | it'd be a better approach to take the posix namespace and related directory services out of the kernel than push more application code into it |
| 16:53.09 | mirak | jelly-home, I don't see the point of your question. If I am the coder or foo, then I will know that I am using a reserved keyword, wich I would prefer call an operator. "/" is an operator, as well as rsync: could be. |
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| 16:53.16 | jelly-home | wols_: so it's just a matter of a wrapper layer somewhere, be it kernel or libc or a nasty LD_PRELOAD proof of concept hack, and it can already be done today |
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| 16:55.28 | xingu | mirak: so you're going to add an additional lookup into every single file operation? (ie, the lookup to determine which network protocol to dispatch to)? |
| 16:55.31 | xingu | mirak: pass. |
| 16:55.49 | mirak | jelly-home, and by the way, you could give foo the choice, with a switch, you could specify if you want it to be handled by the application or through the kernel. Anyway I totally agree that there would be backward compatibilty issues. But if you never evolve you never evolve |
| 16:56.14 | xingu | this isn't evolution, this is grotesque. :) |
| 16:56.30 | xingu | if only bcopy's inventor had grasped it, the world would be a better place |
| 16:56.33 | mirak | xingu, you just think well enough about it |
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| 16:56.48 | xingu | mirak: less is more, seriously. |
| 16:57.19 | xingu | like I said, the posix namespace doesn't belong in the kernel, and neither do sockets for that matter |
| 16:57.32 | jelly-home | I'd rather map the shebang into actual filesystem namespace and use /net/urltype/host/path/ instead of wrapping lots of stuff just for syntactic sugar |
| 16:58.07 | jelly-home | let the developer of foo map proto://bar/ into /net/proto/bar/ |
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| 16:58.28 | xingu | it's not as if ssh or http semantically map particularly well to start with anyway |
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| 16:58.42 | jelly-home | sftp and webdav, otoh... |
| 16:58.44 | mirak | xingu, I don't see how it's more a lookup than between doing /A/B/C and /A/B/C/D . there is an additional lookup, so what ? here A is just the protocol, and anyway, this can be cached. |
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| 16:59.06 | xingu | I mean what's the ssh equivalent of chmod(2), or stat(2)? |
| 16:59.18 | jelly-home | xingu: sftp or ssh? |
| 16:59.52 | xingu | mirak: at present there's no need to test-and-branch to see what network protocol is being considered; you're wanting to add one, I think this is as daft as it seems. |
| 17:00.27 | mirak | xingu, what is the difference between "mount -t sshfs me@somwhere /mnt/bla" then "chmod /mnt/bla/bar" ?? |
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| 17:01.11 | mirak | if you do "chmod ssh:me@somwhere:/bar" |
| 17:01.15 | jelly-home | I'd actually like to be able to use cp to copy files from an sftp:// to ftp:// site transparently, just like it can be done in Gnome or KDE filesystem |
| 17:01.16 | mirak | I see no difference |
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| 17:02.45 | xingu | mirak: you can't see the difference because you're not looking at the systemic impact; previously, /boot/ for example was a case of namespace root -> mountpoint -> filesystem, now it's namespace root -> protocol=local_filesystem -> mountpoint -> filesystem |
| 17:02.50 | xingu | mirak: for every single file operation |
| 17:03.35 | xingu | mirak: and now you're suggesting namespace root -> lookaside -> protocol=local_filesystem -> mountpoint -> filesystem |
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| 17:03.45 | xingu | which is worse still |
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| 17:04.50 | xingu | how about just not putting layers where they don't belong? what's the real argument here, that there's no common fast, userspace filesystem in library form that can be linked into userspace code? |
| 17:04.54 | xingu | give me a break, please. |
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| 17:05.19 | mirak | what's wronger with "mount -t sshfs me@somwhere /mnt/bla" then "chmod /mnt/bla/bar" is that you provide absolutely no api to chmod to respond differently. I think that's why they use own VFS in KDE and Gnome, it's because sometime you may to have something a bit more specific depending of the protocol. And what if you need a password, how will you make chmod prompt you the password ? the normal traditional vfs doesn't allow any interacti |
| 17:05.19 | mirak | vity. |
| 17:05.57 | xingu | yay, so now all fileoperations can deadlock too |
| 17:06.20 | jelly-home | xingu: I have that with nfs already! |
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| 17:07.04 | xingu | jelly-home: that's only some, this loon wants to take away the shotgun I have pointed at my feet and replace it with a self-triggering howitzer |
| 17:07.17 | xingu | some file operations as opposed to all of them, always |
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| 17:07.59 | xingu | I mean seriously, if you need an automounter, then have I got a package for you |
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| 17:08.24 | jelly-home | two of them, even, there's 4 and 5 ;-) |
| 17:08.35 | xingu | if you need to extend the posix namespace to teach it clever tricks (like using rsync as a delta based pipe for instance) then... libfuse your nuts off. |
| 17:08.39 | mirak | xingu, what do you mean by lookaside ? |
| 17:08.47 | pflanze | How can I make dpkg purge a package even if the post-removal fails? |
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| 17:09.18 | xingu | mirak: you say "cache", I say "hashing lookaside function" |
| 17:09.39 | jelly-home | pflanze: fixing the postrm script, or shorcutting it with a well placed "exit 0", helps |
| 17:10.00 | pflanze | jelly-home: but it is tons of packages (it happened because the disk had io errors) |
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| 17:10.01 | mirak | xingu, why would you do that on a local acces ? |
| 17:10.22 | xingu | mirak: how do you "know" that the access is local? you've just removed that plank out of my reality |
| 17:10.24 | jelly-home | pflanze: restore from backups?\ |
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| 17:10.31 | mirak | xingu, by the way you are sayning that you could have /boot on a sshfs |
| 17:10.44 | mirak | xingu, by the way you are saying that as you could have /boot on a sshfs |
| 17:10.59 | xingu | observes the shotgun aimed at his feet |
| 17:11.02 | mirak | xingu, file:// is not local ? |
| 17:11.11 | pflanze | I'm looking for a dirty solution, as I don't have a backup of this (it's a qemu instance; I'd still prefer not to have to reinstall from scratch) |
| 17:11.15 | xingu | mirak: it isn't "local" until you test it for local-ness. |
| 17:11.41 | xingu | mirak: so you're going to add this test to every single file operation, because sometimes a path will, and sometimes a path won't be "local" |
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| 17:11.56 | mirak | xingu, so it's wrote in the filename "local:" |
| 17:12.00 | pflanze | well I guess I'll do some grep/awk/ etc looping to put exit 0 into all failing packages |
| 17:12.09 | jhutchins | pflanze: Take a look at the postinstall script, see what it's trying to do, do it. Alternatively, reinstall it so that it can uninstall properly. |
| 17:12.22 | xingu | mirak: at the moment there's no such test; a file lives under a namespace root and on a mountpoint. |
| 17:12.38 | xingu | mirak: to work out that "local:" means... local... you now have to parse the filename |
| 17:12.46 | xingu | mirak: by the way, what's "local" in... shift-jis? |
| 17:12.59 | mirak | xingu, and you don't parse the filename for "/" already ? |
| 17:13.33 | xingu | mirak: I certainly don't then test-and-branch to see what protocol I need to suck in when I do... |
| 17:13.51 | xingu | mirak: and that happens a bit later regardless - in the fs-specific path walk. |
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| 17:14.22 | mirak | xingu, you need at least to test and branch to know if you are going deeper in the filesystem tree or not. I see not difference |
| 17:14.32 | xingu | mirak: you're *adding a test*... |
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| 17:14.47 | xingu | mirak: it's a whole new test, it's not there today |
| 17:14.52 | mirak | xingu, no a case in the switch |
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| 17:14.58 | xingu | laughs |
| 17:15.05 | xingu | mirak: what switch? |
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| 17:15.38 | mirak | xingu, if it's not there then you code it. Is linux code wrote in a marble stone ? |
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| 17:15.59 | xingu | mirak: so now every single path lookup is going to pay the mirak-doesn't-understand-automounter tax? |
| 17:16.01 | xingu | mirak: pass. |
| 17:16.10 | mirak | with the computing power we have now you are saying that adding a test will be overkill. lol |
| 17:16.19 | xingu | I certainly am |
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| 17:16.53 | xingu | but then again I do suck a certain rarified air, anything that robs icache matters |
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| 17:17.38 | xingu | mirak: for me it's easy, I can either spend a cycle transforming data into money, or I can spend it dealing with inventions of dubious utility like this |
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| 17:18.01 | xingu | mirak: guess which I'm going to choose. |
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| 17:18.55 | mirak | xingu, I don't care |
| 17:20.08 | xingu | maybe we can put a base64 decoder into vfs too, so that we can embed object code in path names |
| 17:20.49 | xingu | or.. an edonkey server... or maybe a decent h.264 front end |
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| 17:21.19 | mirak | xingu, maybe we can fit your head |
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| 17:25.15 | wols_ | xingu: the cool kids use torrents now. haven't you heard? |
| 17:25.30 | xingu | doh, I'll never keep up |
| 17:25.47 | jelly-home | xingu: just you joke, but in kde one can access mp3s and aac+ and flac files from an audio CD. |
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| 17:26.41 | xingu | jelly-home: that's fine with me, can we move the whole kernel assistance for f*(3)'s private directory service down into the same library while we're at it? :) |
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| 17:30.28 | mirak | jelly-home, you tried plan 9 already ? |
| 17:30.41 | simonrvn | people always eventually pull out "with today's computing power" or "today's hard drive space" totally ignoring people who *don't* have that sort of "computing power" or space. you then leave out 90% of the population. typical western attitude IMO. |
| 17:30.44 | jelly-home | mirak: hell no, I use my computer to do stuff ;-) |
| 17:30.56 | mirak | jelly-home, in a vm |
| 17:31.12 | jelly-home | mirak: likewise... there's too much stuff to be done ;-) |
| 17:33.07 | mirak | simonrvn, then in 1 hour you will go out, eat an hamburger and throw away half of your potatoes |
| 17:33.12 | MrTorque | hi. i need some help with that: i once deleted a group (GID 1004). Some files had permissions for that group, ls showed 1004. now i added a new group which got gid=1004. So the new group has rights it should not have. how do i fix this? |
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| 17:33.32 | simonrvn | mirak: um, don't assume |
| 17:33.47 | simonrvn | ass |
| 17:34.03 | mirak | simonrvn, I also assume that you love royal cheese with mayonaise and fanta. lol |
| 17:34.17 | mirak | simonrvn, that's an image |
| 17:34.20 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:34.36 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 17:34.49 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: man groupadd |
| 17:35.12 | simonrvn | i'd say something but i'd insult most everybody in here |
| 17:35.15 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: the option you need should be obvious |
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| 17:35.42 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: sorry, groupmod if it is already created |
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| 17:36.06 | mirak | simonrvn, seriously I don't see how checking the first caracters of a filename overload the computer, when even mobile devices runs a java jvm. |
| 17:36.50 | jordanm[titan] | mirak: there is no sense in continueing to argue about this |
| 17:36.53 | mirak | simonrvn, the idea of cashing was just for remount mounts where probably you will not want to open as many connection as you are doing acces. |
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| 17:37.10 | sh4g0 | help, where i can download debian squeeze? |
| 17:37.19 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: what do i do? set an other gid by hand? |
| 17:37.27 | jordanm[titan] | !ifyhtays sh4g0 |
| 17:37.34 | jordanm[titan] | !iyhtays sh4g0 |
| 17:37.34 | dpkg | sh4g0: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 17:37.41 | sh4g0 | ok |
| 17:37.53 | sh4g0 | so,, where i can downloas debian squeeze? |
| 17:38.22 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: its not obvious? groupmod - modify a group definition on the system. it has an option --gid |
| 17:38.56 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: yes, but this does not solve the problem. what do i do with the files which have permissions set for gid=1004? |
| 17:39.02 | MrTorque | set it to nobody?? |
| 17:39.15 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: you change the group that you added to the correct gid |
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| 17:39.58 | iwkse | hi, do you know if with aptitude is possible to do the same of apt-cache depends ? |
| 17:40.37 | jordanm[titan] | iwkse: aptitude show <package> and aptitude why <package> maybe |
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| 17:41.27 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: there is no _correct_ gid. Let me point it out: i once had a group (gid 1004), deleted it (gid 1004 free, but still files with permissions for 1004), and now i did add a group which got 1004. i could set gid manually to 1005, but what is with the files on the system, still having gid=1004 for permissions? |
| 17:41.37 | Kin`Away | with liva magic I don't succeed tu create live installer version of debian on Usb |
| 17:41.43 | dec3pti0n | anyone has any reconmendation on recovery tools ? I've used systemrescuecd before but long time ago |
| 17:41.49 | Kin`Away | 'cause when I pust on apply it doesn't work |
| 17:41.55 | Kin`Away | which is the problem? |
| 17:42.13 | iwkse | jordanm[titan]: i tried aptitude why but it gives different results from apt-cache depends |
| 17:42.19 | iwkse | jordanm[titan]: i'll try with aptitude show |
| 17:42.46 | iwkse | yes, show is what i need, thanks |
| 17:43.00 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: just use chown to change the perms |
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| 17:43.33 | Guthur | can I apt-get a package from squeeze |
| 17:43.33 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: I thought you wanted the new group to have ownership over those files. |
| 17:43.38 | Guthur | specifically kernel-package |
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| 17:43.49 | jordanm[titan] | !tell guthur about ssb |
| 17:44.01 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: there is acl enabled and about 5000 files need to be changed in several hundet folders (not only subfolders...) |
| 17:44.16 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: no, i did not want that. |
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| 17:44.43 | XxX113g | http://chucknorrrris.mybrute.com Fight1 tHe aNimAl master =] |
| 17:44.52 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: why did you remove the group? who do you want to have ownership of all that stuff now? what did yhou *expect* to happen to the permissions? |
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| 17:45.28 | Guthur | cheers jordanm[titan] |
| 17:46.02 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: the point is, i did not think that much when i deleted these files. As i now see, i should also not delete user... better inactivate them. |
| 17:46.24 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: anyway, i want to set the files with gid=1004 to gid=1001. |
| 17:46.56 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: my problem is, that i have acl enabled. how do i find all the gid=1004 files? |
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| 17:48.08 | Trewas | MrTorque: find(1) has option to search files based on their gid |
| 17:49.27 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: find /path -gid 1004 -type f -exec chown :1001 '{}' \; |
| 17:49.34 | jordanm[titan] | MrTorque: _untested_ |
| 17:49.43 | MrTorque | Trewas: even if acl is enabled and gid is set as secondary group? |
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| 17:50.33 | Trewas | MrTorque: every file has owner uid/gid, acl is extra information to that |
| 17:51.40 | Trewas | though if the group is used only in ACLs I don't know if find(1) can be used to search for them |
| 17:52.05 | MrTorque | Trewas: yes, but what if uid=gid=1000 and i set in acl: setfacl -m g:mygroup:rwx = |
| 17:52.11 | jordanm[titan] | I don't think you can either but you can recursively remove all ACLs and then set them again |
| 17:52.19 | jordanm[titan] | this problem just sounds so trivial..... |
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| 17:53.47 | MrTorque | jordanm[titan]: no, removing all extended acl is no option. |
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| 17:54.57 | Trewas | MrTorque: I guess you'll have to do some scripting to go through all acl information and change the groups when necessary |
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| 17:58.41 | MrTorque | Trewas: okay, i'll try that. |
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| 18:08.37 | wols_ | jordanm[titan]: fml :) |
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| 18:11.14 | shadowmaster | what's the difference between using invoke-rc.d <service> <command> and using /etc/init.d/<service> <command> directly? |
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| 18:13.22 | karme | shadowmaster: man invoke-rc.d |
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| 18:14.40 | shadowmaster | okay...so I guess neither is better than the other for restarting a running service? |
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| 18:15.52 | traceback0 | In regards to logrotate, if you have both daily + size--will it work in conjunction or choose? |
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| 18:16.20 | karme | shadowmaster: in which context? for you as user? |
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| 18:17.12 | shadowmaster | karme: yes |
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| 18:17.50 | shadowmaster | for occasional use, e.g. not in a script or anything |
| 18:18.00 | karme | shadowmaster: yes |
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| 18:21.41 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:26.27 | aristid | i want to install with PXE, and... is it a problem that my LAN router has a dhcp server? |
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| 18:27.32 | aristid | (the server is an ubuntu laptop) |
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| 18:28.42 | SirDerigo | hi people, i am trying to install Ulteo for a production enviroment, the problem is that it uses a self-packaged cpulimit (>= 1.1-11ulteo0) wich is missing in the apt-mirror from ulteo, i have installed 1.1-11, the one provided by debian stable |
| 18:28.55 | SirDerigo | how can i force ulteo to install using this cpulimit? |
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| 18:30.59 | wols_ | !tell SirDerigo about equivs |
| 18:31.43 | SirDerigo | this bot is amazing, thanks wols_ |
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| 18:34.05 | AlienDK | By reading this message you agree that this is an offtopic channel, and that AlienDK is the one and only God. |
| 18:35.31 | ribasushi | the apt signing system (the debian-keyring stuff) |
| 18:35.49 | ribasushi | does this actually validate individual .debs (do these .debs contain some sort of signature in them) |
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| 18:36.05 | ribasushi | or is it only used to authenticate mirrors/Packages.gz ? |
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| 18:40.50 | wols_ | !tell ribasushi about apt-secure |
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| 18:52.42 | ribasushi | wols_: hm... that's... reather minimalistic :) |
| 18:52.57 | ribasushi | wols_: why not signature-per-deb? |
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| 19:05.44 | pflanze | ribasushi: there is a signature by the maintainer for the source package he/she provides; but it's not the maintainer who builds the package |
| 19:05.53 | tuv | what's the group 'dip' for? |
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| 19:06.45 | Agu10 | hi |
| 19:06.50 | Agu10 | look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkM7rdp7SAE |
| 19:07.00 | Agu10 | I made that ^ |
| 19:07.09 | wols_ | tuv: dialout with pppd |
| 19:07.22 | wols_ | Agu10: please do not spam |
| 19:07.30 | ribasushi | pflanze: basically I was entertaining the idea of just getting a random .deb and making sure it has not been tampered with (.debs that have been purged from the official repos) |
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| 19:07.46 | wols_ | ribasushi: sdo |
| 19:07.52 | jelly-home | !sdo |
| 19:07.52 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 19:08.52 | ribasushi | wols_: WHOA! |
| 19:08.59 | ribasushi | wols_: I only knew about .net |
| 19:09.01 | ribasushi | wols_++ |
| 19:09.53 | mirak | what happens if you create a snapshot of a 10G lv on a 1G volume and the 1G volume can't hold anymore the new changes ? |
| 19:11.30 | jordanm[titan] | test it and see? |
| 19:11.45 | pflanze | ribasushi: I don't know why it wasn't decided to include a signature right after building a package. One guess is that signing distribution was easier to add. |
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| 19:12.16 | ribasushi | mirak: the snapshot becomes "invalid" |
| 19:12.23 | ribasushi | mirak: and starts returning I/O errors |
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| 19:13.07 | mirak | ribasushi, it's seen as a dead drive you mean |
| 19:13.33 | ribasushi | mirak: yessir |
| 19:13.35 | pflanze | (ribasushi: another one may be that a signing key may be given a limited validity time frame; after that, the package would have to be re-signed, which the distribution signature approach can easily do) |
| 19:13.47 | mirak | ribasushi, I was wondering at what moment lvm flushes the databack, and if it's transactional |
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| 19:14.33 | mirak | ribasushi, I mean if I understand well, when you lvremove the snapshot, the datas must be flushed back to the original lv |
| 19:15.10 | pflanze | mirak: no, the changes are just dropped afaik |
| 19:15.18 | mirak | pflanze, ??? |
| 19:15.19 | karme | mirak: no |
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| 19:16.02 | mirak | karme, then there is something I don't understand |
| 19:16.10 | ribasushi | mirak: a snapshot is just a clone |
| 19:16.18 | ribasushi | mirak: the original system will never know it existed |
| 19:16.27 | ribasushi | mirak: you can not "merge" the two afterwards |
| 19:16.35 | ribasushi | s/system/lv/ |
| 19:16.42 | mirak | ribasushi, that's not the problem I am talking about |
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| 19:16.58 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove this output "tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 19:16.58 | HardDisk_WP | " when running "tar czf /backups/2010-05-01.tar.gz /backups/sql-100501" ? |
| 19:17.05 | karme | mirak: the snapshot starts out empty and records overwritten data |
| 19:17.22 | mirak | karme, this I understand |
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| 19:18.20 | mirak | karme, but at some point you must disable the snapshot |
| 19:18.49 | karme | mirak: at that point you just drop it (it only contains old data) |
| 19:18.55 | mirak | otherwise the overwritten data might not have enough space |
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| 19:19.09 | mirak | karme, oh sorry |
| 19:19.23 | mirak | karme, I though it was keeping the new datas |
| 19:19.25 | karme | mirak: if there is no more space to record old data the snapshot becomes invalid as ribasushi already stated |
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| 19:21.09 | karme | mirak: i found "dmsetup ls --tree -o inverted" quite usefull |
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| 19:21.18 | mirak | karme, ? |
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| 19:21.49 | karme | mirak: to get a better understanding of how all this works |
| 19:22.26 | karme | mirak: and maybe dmsetup table |
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| 19:23.20 | pflanze | mirak: things are more complicated because iirc snapshots can also be written to; but those changes will just be lost when the snapshot is removed or becomes stale |
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| 19:24.04 | younger | Hi, is it possible to install sun-java via apt-get? I cannot find anything like sun-java via it |
| 19:24.09 | pflanze | written to by the user, that is (as opposed to the internal implementation, about which you shouldn't care) |
| 19:25.06 | nkuttler | !tell younger about install java |
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| 19:25.58 | mirak | karme, how can we be sure the snapshot preserve the filesystem consistancy ? I mean if you snapshot between the moment a fs allocation is done and the datas are wrote to disk. |
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| 19:27.25 | younger | thank you nkuttler, but apt-get cannot find sun-java6-jre. do it need a special repository? |
| 19:27.25 | tuv | wols_: that's kinda hard to guess: dip -> pppd. is it for dial-in ppp? |
| 19:27.48 | tuv | wols_: i guess not. you said dial-out |
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| 19:28.05 | pflanze | mirak: think of it as working on the block device level, not the data on the platter (i.e. it works on the same cached data as the fs writes to) |
| 19:28.11 | Farhadix | Hi guys, how can I config squid to use proxychains? |
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| 19:29.05 | wols_ | !tell younger about install java |
| 19:29.19 | wols_ | younger: you need the non-free repo |
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| 19:29.44 | younger | can you point me to the link? i am new to debian |
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| 19:30.06 | younger | disappointed by ubuntu 10.04 after it crashed my computer |
| 19:30.09 | wols_ | !tell younger about non-free |
| 19:30.17 | younger | that's cool. thank you! |
| 19:30.36 | Chaos|Baghdad | I know this isn't quite the proper channel for it, but I knew most of you guys would be knowledgeable enough to help, I have a quick and easy C question that I'm too dumb to figure out, been reading a book with little quiz questions after each section and I'm failing pretty good on this one section and was wondering if anyone here knowing anything about C could help me out real quick. |
| 19:30.52 | mirak | pflanze, yes but lvm is under the fs |
| 19:30.52 | wols_ | Chaos|Baghdad: ##C |
| 19:31.18 | pflanze | mirak: exactly, in the block layer. |
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| 19:31.30 | robokop | i have a problem with getting pulseaudio to work, if i go to pavucontrol the config tab it says: "no cards available for configuration" |
| 19:31.42 | pflanze | Chaos|Baghdad: there is the #c channel |
| 19:31.48 | wols_ | !tell robokop about alsa checklist |
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| 19:32.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | wols_: somehow I'm banned from C though I've never eben there |
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| 19:32.19 | mirak | pflanze, so the snapshot must not occur during a file system transaction, otherwise it's like pulling the plug of the harddrive at any time |
| 19:32.30 | wols_ | Chaos|Baghdad: you are not registered to services. /msg nickserv help register |
| 19:32.36 | Chaos|Baghdad | it's a really low level question, you could probably answer it and help me out just the same |
| 19:32.48 | wols_ | no. we don't do other people's homework |
| 19:33.05 | Chaos|Baghdad | it's not homework, I'm doing this on my own with a tutorial I found on the internet |
| 19:33.08 | avar | Chaos|Baghdad: What's the question? |
| 19:33.13 | pflanze | mirak: that's true. The snapshots takes the state of the block layer. If you've got filesystems mounted, it will be an unclean image. |
| 19:33.15 | Chaos|Baghdad | I'm not in school, I'm in baghdad for christ's sake lol |
| 19:33.18 | wols_ | avar: please help him elsewhere. thank you |
| 19:33.28 | pflanze | mirak: but most filesystems can deal with this just fine, so? |
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| 19:33.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | avar mind if I /msg you? |
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| 19:33.43 | avar | Chaos|Baghdad: no, go ahead |
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| 19:35.32 | pflanze | mirak: this is the reason that the snapshot can also be written to: this way, the filesystem data can be cleaned up on the snapshot (using fsck for non-journaled filesystems) |
| 19:36.28 | mirak | pflanze, yes you still can fsck, but I was just wondering, and I guess the solution is that when you run the snapshot creation, lvm has to have a way to tell the kernel to wait all transactions to be done and to old the kernel to start knew ones, |
| 19:36.32 | pflanze | mirak: if you're planning on using lvm snapshots for live backups, it is recommended you *do* use a journaled filesystem though. |
| 19:37.19 | pflanze | mirak: no; most filesystems don't have transactions; it's all just applications writing data in some order. |
| 19:37.20 | ribasushi | there was this snazzy app |
| 19:37.23 | mirak | pflanze, ha ok I understand better the writting on snapshot |
| 19:37.27 | robokop | wols_: that is all about alsa, but i wanted to use pulseaudio |
| 19:37.35 | ribasushi | that could place text in the X clipboard by piping into it |
| 19:37.37 | ribasushi | what's it called? |
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| 19:38.07 | robokop | wols_: alsa works btw if i stop the pulse deamon and mv the asound.cnf away |
| 19:38.35 | pflanze | mirak: or more precisely, the kernel can't change how the fs layer works; the fs layer is supposed to order the writes in a way that is not destructive for the filesystem; just as you say, power could be lost, too |
| 19:39.23 | Chaos|Baghdad | actually, come to think of it, I have a debian question as well, when I was back home if I plugged in my cat5 into my laptop before booting into debian then when X11 would load the screen would go black and it would go unresponsive. If I booted without it it works fine. If I boot with a cable in it over here it works just fine, although configuring it for pppoe is a pain in the ass but that's neither here nor there, any idea |
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| 19:39.44 | mirak | pflanze, yes, but lvm could ask the kernel to old filesystem writes, and avoid starting snapshot in the middle of a fs transaction. |
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| 19:40.06 | valdyn | Chaos|Baghdad: thats possible when you miss the "lo" network interface |
| 19:40.10 | pflanze | mirak: the kernel branches off the snapshot instantaneously; there is no reason to ask a filesystem to hold off writes |
| 19:40.14 | valdyn | Chaos|Baghdad: ..which no system should miss |
| 19:40.32 | mirak | pflanze, I really don't know how it works, or if it does that, but I imagine problems could be avoided logically. |
| 19:41.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | valdyn: I don't know what that means or how or why it would arbitrarily choose to on that one connection back home |
| 19:41.35 | valdyn | mirak: writes are atomic on any journaling fs |
| 19:41.36 | pflanze | mirak: maybe what you're thinking about is really 'holding off changes before the copy is done', but that *is* something the kernel does, but not by asking the fs layer, but by implementing it in the lvm/block layer |
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| 19:41.55 | mirak | pflanze, well I undrestand lvm works at blocklevel, however lvm designers knows a filesystem might run on top of it. |
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| 19:42.22 | valdyn | mirak: and lvm cant interfer with that atomicity |
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| 19:43.25 | mirak | pflanze, a software transaction could not be spoted by the kernel, however a filesystem transaction, the kernel is aware of that, and could just old the transactions while lvm is starting the snapshot. |
| 19:43.38 | valdyn | mirak: thats pointless |
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| 19:44.35 | mirak | valdyn, I am not saying it must be implemented, I am wondering if such a functionallity is already implemented, even if it's implicit |
| 19:44.44 | pflanze | mirak: journalling filesystems are already ordering their writes in a way that the stream of writes can be cut off at any point; now a snapshot does exactly that, cut the writes off at one point. |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | mirak: its there, lvm takes snapshots |
| 19:45.22 | roe | I can't find a better place to ask, so here it goes: I'm looking for a good laser printer that can do some card stock printing (~110lb) any thoughts? |
| 19:45.32 | valdyn | mirak: and if that snapshot happens in the middle of a write, then thats irrelevant, it will stay a valid configuration, that is exactly the one *before* the incomplete write |
| 19:45.52 | valdyn | mirak: *if* the fs is a journaling fs |
| 19:46.43 | mirak | valdyn, ok I see, what I say would matter if the fs wasn't journaling |
| 19:47.00 | valdyn | mirak: *but* ( and thats a huge deal ), that does not make the situation "correct" for the application layer on top |
| 19:47.28 | mirak | valdyn, yes of course, for this you have to stop the applications ^^ |
| 19:47.58 | pflanze | Well-written applications use journalling, too |
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| 19:48.33 | valdyn | sure in that case you just get reverted to the last valid configuration too |
| 19:48.58 | pflanze | (or more generally, ordered writes in a way that they can deal with an interruption) |
| 19:49.05 | valdyn | you can be sure that *most* apps dont do this however |
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| 19:49.39 | mirak | pflanze, like microsoft word ? ^^ |
| 19:50.05 | valdyn | kde broke down completely a while ago because of very stupid behaviour in that regard |
| 19:50.13 | valdyn | ( on ext4 ) |
| 19:50.17 | mirak | pflanze, I was just thinking to how it behaves after a crash, that made me laugh |
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| 19:50.58 | Chaos|Baghdad | boo ext4, yay reiser |
| 19:51.04 | pflanze | Editors usually write a file by writing to a temp file then renaming over the old file, which is safe. |
| 19:51.12 | valdyn | Chaos|Baghdad: nice try, but reiser doesnt do this better |
| 19:51.25 | mirak | valdyn, I add this problem with mandrake when I started linux 7 years ago |
| 19:51.32 | robokop | i have a problem with getting pulseaudio to work, if i go to pavucontrol the config tab it says: "no cards available for configuration" |
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| 19:51.59 | avar | valdyn: Odd that they didn't encounter it earlier if they were counting on not having to do fsync() |
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| 19:52.25 | valdyn | avar: they were, just orders of magnitudes less often I think |
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| 19:53.49 | Chaos|Baghdad | valdyn: :( well, I still use reiser, can you say your filesystem was written by a guy who chopped up his wife and hid the body? I think not. |
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| 19:55.00 | mirak | mm what's the tool to resize ext4 ? |
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| 19:57.13 | valdyn | resize2fs |
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| 19:57.55 | simonrvn | wonders why that would be a good thing... |
| 19:58.19 | simonrvn | thinks only a psycho would |
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| 20:00.40 | mirak | valdyn, ok, the man is not up to date |
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| 20:02.24 | mirak | I was wondering what was the correct procedure to reduce a ext4 lv. I am wondering if there are safety nets to avoid making the partition smaller than the filesystem size |
| 20:02.37 | mulemans | hi, i run some user process with user rights, can i move this process to root list or make unable to kill for user or just hide for user ? ;z |
| 20:02.56 | valdyn | mirak: theres tools like gparted that will do that safely |
| 20:03.13 | mirak | mmm I didn't noticed gparted handled lvm |
| 20:03.17 | valdyn | mirak: but probably nothing for lvm |
| 20:03.23 | robokop | mulemans: a running process can't be changed to another user |
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| 20:03.38 | mirak | valdyn, yes, nothing for lvm. |
| 20:04.01 | mirak | maybe kvpm |
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| 20:04.29 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: Are you sure? I think some mail software does that. Start as root but run as something else. |
| 20:04.49 | dkay | hello #debian |
| 20:04.57 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: I know spamassassin and procmail run as different users, but that may be by spawning new processes. |
| 20:05.08 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: ehm they spawn new processes indeed |
| 20:05.55 | mulemans | hmy |
| 20:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: I still think I've seen a program that switches users, but don't remember well enough to be sure it's not a new process. Dropprivs. |
| 20:07.10 | mulemans | i use spawn-fcgi, run as root and start as user, and i need to change this |
| 20:08.34 | pflanze | robokop: man 2 setuid |
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| 20:09.24 | robokop | sorry, my bad |
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| 20:10.17 | robokop | but this is the wrong way around for him, cause he wanted to 'become' root iir the Q correctly |
| 20:10.20 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a trouble with "rar", what is wrong? |
| 20:10.21 | Upgreydd | rar a -v209715195b "the x files.avi.rar" "the x files.avi" |
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| 20:11.15 | pflanze | yeah, I'm not clear about what mulemans wants/need |
| 20:11.16 | pflanze | s |
| 20:12.11 | Upgreydd | when i use a "the x files.avi.rar" i get error, but when i use a "thexfiles.avi.rar" everything is fine. Why i can't use spaces? |
| 20:12.38 | pflanze | Upgreydd: you need quotes around names with spaces |
| 20:12.57 | Upgreydd | so i'm using "" |
| 20:13.03 | pflanze | yes, or ' |
| 20:13.21 | Upgreydd | ok, i'll try with a '', wait ;] |
| 20:13.23 | pflanze | Actually this really depends on the shell. |
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| 20:14.13 | mulemans | pflanze: i run spawn-fcgi as root with user right, and i will make unable kill this proces for user |
| 20:14.32 | pflanze | mulemans: what do you mean "with user right"? |
| 20:15.09 | pflanze | mulemans: do you *start* it as root but have it configured to *run* as a non-root user? |
| 20:15.10 | mulemans | if i start as root, this proces is on user list |
| 20:15.23 | pflanze | what do you mean with "user list"? |
| 20:15.32 | mulemans | process list |
| 20:16.02 | pflanze | I don't know spawn-fcgi, which may explain my stupidity, but what is "process list" here? |
| 20:16.12 | mulemans | :D |
| 20:16.14 | Upgreydd | i've get an "Cannot create the x files.avi.rar" :/ |
| 20:16.52 | pflanze | Upgreydd: maybe paste what you're doing to some paste service |
| 20:17.02 | mulemans | im login as user on user acounnt, and i do: 'ps x' and show me this process whats i run as root |
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| 20:18.11 | pflanze | mulemans: you want to hide processes from being displayed by a user? |
| 20:18.29 | pflanze | mulemans: or from being killed by a user? |
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| 20:19.51 | pflanze | mulemans: you cannot hide processes; all users on the system can see all processes. (Except if you use exotic features like grsecurity, maybe selinux, I'm sure there are others) |
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| 20:20.07 | Upgreydd | ok i found an error, i have 1 more question. Is there a way to very quick cut a file for parts using rar? i'm using 0compression level, but i need to made it quicker |
| 20:21.16 | pflanze | Upgreydd: you could use head and tail (and cat to reassemble) |
| 20:21.44 | pflanze | or dd instead of head and tail |
| 20:21.57 | pflanze | but I guess there are more user friendly tools for that purpose |
| 20:21.59 | simonrvn | cut a file into parts? split |
| 20:22.38 | Upgreydd | hmmm yeah, but i need to cut it to upload to rapidshare for other users, so that's isn't good idea to use split |
| 20:23.10 | simonrvn | rar has options to split up an archive.... |
| 20:24.34 | Upgreydd | simonrvn i know ;] i'm using -m0 and -v but i need to do this in few sec. not in one minute ;] |
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| 20:25.12 | simonrvn | you've spent more time talking about it than doing it... |
| 20:25.27 | roland- | hey, any lifecycle announcements? how long will lenny be supported? |
| 20:25.34 | Upgreydd | i'm writing a script for remote upload data to rapidshare.com |
| 20:25.36 | simonrvn | jus' sayin' ... |
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| 20:26.23 | mulemans | pflanze: thx |
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| 20:26.41 | Upgreydd | and i'm giving a files to uploadscript using fifo, but this is slow script, meybe someone wonna help me with script? |
| 20:27.07 | pngwn | roland-, for one year after the squeeze release |
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| 20:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: Processing an avi file that's big enough to split is going to take time, no way around it. |
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| 20:28.09 | pflanze | Well, I guess he wants to avoid the copies |
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| 20:28.40 | pflanze | But then I wonder how fast an internet connection he has so as to make the copy costlier than the upload :~P |
| 20:29.13 | pflanze | Or then maybe the rar tool he uses is just programmed so badly that it's limited by cpu. But this sounds unlikely. |
| 20:29.15 | Upgreydd | jhutchins__lt can i show you my scripts? meybe you know better way to do this ;] |
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| 20:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: You can pastebin them, someone might have a suggestion. |
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| 20:31.30 | Upgreydd | http://pastebin.com/9AWZa5md here is a main script |
| 20:31.42 | Upgreydd | http://pastebin.com/tdu11n9w here is a adder script |
| 20:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | How would I check spelling in an alternative language with aspell? |
| 20:32.30 | Upgreydd | i'm just starting with a linux... |
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| 20:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, aspell -lang XX. |
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| 20:35.10 | Upgreydd | any ideas? ;] when i use "./add.sh file.ext" i need to wait to end all process, is there a way to start next process without ending firstone> |
| 20:35.11 | pflanze | Upgreydd: (1) always use double quotes around variables (unless you really want the variable contents to be split up) |
| 20:35.11 | flami | I just installed Ldap , and dpkg asked me to enter an admin password. but I cant figure out how to login. with -x ( simple auth ) it says that the DN has no password, without ( using sasl ) it wants to access /etc/sasldb2 which doesnt exist. |
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| 20:35.32 | flami | what can be done ? :P |
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| 20:35.55 | pflanze | Upgreydd: (2) the while look with sleep 1 and cat & seems a bit suspicious, you might create tons of processes; but probably that's not your problem here |
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| 20:36.55 | pflanze | Upgreydd: (3) does this pipe the first pice directly, and the others it writes to the tmp dir? (I don't know rar) |
| 20:38.10 | pflanze | Upgreydd: also, I don't see the need for fifos here; why not just run the upload script in a pipeline once for each segment? |
| 20:38.24 | Upgreydd | yeah when i use "rar a -v234256246 file.ext" i get in tmp dir "file.ext.part1.rar" part2 etc. |
| 20:38.27 | pflanze | (I don't see where your makefifo is called here though) |
| 20:38.34 | smhar | I got from a friend an external hardisk (usb) that is not working in windows. I am trying to see if I can mount it in linux and save some of its data. when connected to usb, there noting in dmesg |
| 20:39.08 | pflanze | Upgreydd: so you're copying the source file to splitted files only *once*, correct? |
| 20:39.20 | pflanze | (Upgreydd: and you don't upload the first piece twice?) |
| 20:39.43 | Upgreydd | pflanze no ;] |
| 20:39.49 | Upgreydd | all filenames are changed |
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| 20:41.14 | pflanze | Upgreydd: ("all filenames are changed"?) I just wanted to make sure you don't split the whole source file anew for each chunk. |
| 20:41.17 | Upgreydd | hmmm meybe is there a way to send "filename" only and make a rar and send command in RS.sh file? |
| 20:41.57 | Upgreydd | then i can add a lot of files and go sleep, and it will uploading everything ;] |
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| 20:42.21 | pflanze | I've got no idea what the program that reads from the fifo does, nor what ~/.RSCONFIG/rsapi.pl does... |
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| 20:43.00 | pflanze | nor what RS.sh does |
| 20:43.02 | Upgreydd | http://images.rapidshare.com/software/rsapi.pl |
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| 20:43.41 | pflanze | Upgreydd: in general, you should first find out where the bottleneck is: is it cpu, or disk speed, or disk seek speed, or network speed? |
| 20:44.06 | pflanze | (Where does your program (script) spend its time?) |
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| 20:44.16 | Upgreydd | pflanze: this is OVH dedicated server ;] |
| 20:44.42 | pflanze | Upgreydd: that does't change anything regarding needing to know where the bottleneck is. |
| 20:44.57 | pflanze | but it may be a little more difficult because you can't hear the disk |
| 20:45.22 | pflanze | you should first run top to see how much cpu it uses |
| 20:45.35 | Upgreydd | so i can leave the screen and go sleep, but i need a script to mass raring and sending script with a upladlist |
| 20:46.27 | Upgreydd | hmmm meybe this is a good way, just paste all files locations into a file and run a for loop for each ;] |
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| 20:48.18 | Upgreydd | 100% of cpu :/ |
| 20:48.21 | Upgreydd | i must go cy'a |
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| 20:51.28 | zrin | what to think about: # which sshd: /usr/sbin/sshd, but: # sshd -d: bash: /usr/local/sbin/sshd: No such file or directory |
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| 20:57.27 | rudi_s | zrin: Normally /usr/sbin is not in the path (unless you're root), but I've no idea why bash looks in /usr/local/... |
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| 20:58.31 | salvad1 | Hello. Can anyone recommend me some Debian mirror that reaches at least 300 KB per second for downloads ? |
| 20:58.35 | zrin | rudi_s: I'm testing as root; /usr/sbin is in path, after /usr/local/sbin |
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| 20:58.57 | rudi_s | zrin: Then I've no idea. |
| 20:59.09 | petemc | zrin: also you have to type the full path when re-execing sshd |
| 20:59.31 | rudi_s | salvad1: Most should. de works fine for me. |
| 20:59.39 | zrin | rudi_s: there was /usr/local/sbin/sshd; I thought a cooleague installed it (somehow?) so i've hidden it from the path |
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| 21:00.11 | zrin | petemc: if that were the problem, sshd would say so, wouldn't it? |
| 21:00.17 | petemc | yes |
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| 21:02.06 | zrin | I've checked /etc/alternatives - no sshd, I've checked the /usr/sbin/sshd binary - seems ok; I've checked bash aliases - just 'dir' is there ... what could make bash look into /usr/local/sbin and give that error message? |
| 21:02.31 | Tramp | zrin: help hash |
| 21:03.09 | zrin | hmm - found it - there is link sshd -> /usr/local/sbin/sshd in /usr/local/bin |
| 21:04.00 | zrin | someone was messing with that server, that's obvious |
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| 21:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | zrin: chkrootkit, rkhunter |
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| 21:05.40 | rudi_s | Reinstall ... |
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| 21:06.07 | zrin | jhutchins_lt: I already checked with chkrootkit, I think the windows-server maintainer did it |
| 21:06.13 | Trewas | zrin: /usr/local/bin and sbin are in $PATH by default, so at least that is as expected |
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| 21:07.19 | jhutchins_lt | zrin: Ah, well that would explain just about anything. |
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| 21:19.27 | salvin | i have this problem too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/531901 |
| 21:19.44 | salvin | can i add that option to wodim? |
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| 21:37.01 | Erick | Hi |
| 21:37.34 | Erick | why i get this error? grep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:22361: |
| 21:38.16 | cast | i don't see it |
| 21:38.37 | Erick | se esperaba un signo de dos puntos |
| 21:38.50 | Erick | expected a colon |
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| 21:41.34 | Erick | in autocompletion for packages |
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| 21:45.47 | Bushmills | are current stock kernel nfsroot enabled? |
| 21:48.46 | Erick | how i check that? |
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| 21:50.34 | Erick | i have upgraded debian lenny to sid |
| 21:51.08 | pngwn | Erick, that ain't considered an 'upgrade' |
| 21:51.32 | Erick | well, squeeze |
| 21:51.35 | pngwn | did you stop at squeeze on your way by? |
| 21:51.44 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 21:51.44 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 21:51.55 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade test |
| 21:51.56 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
| 21:52.15 | Erick | :< |
| 21:52.34 | randomuser | Is there a relatively easy way to change my system's hostname, and be sure the change is effected everywhere it needs to be? |
| 21:53.02 | simonrvn | Bushmills: i don't think they are, but best to check the config options (in /boot/) |
| 21:53.12 | simonrvn | !hostname |
| 21:53.12 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 21:53.24 | Bushmills | simonrvn: did so, but couldn't find what I was looking for |
| 21:53.41 | Bushmills | so I sort of assumed "No" but may just have looked for the wrong thing |
| 21:54.15 | simonrvn | for one initrd, nfs, nfsroot, and some other things should be enabled ;) |
| 21:55.01 | Bushmills | nfs is module only. of nfsroot i found no signs at all |
| 21:55.50 | simonrvn | probablt isn't then. last time i did something like that i had to roll my own |
| 21:55.52 | Erick | I just wanted to try the new things on debian simonrvn |
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| 21:58.10 | nkraich | hi :) |
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| 22:05.31 | Bushmills | Erick: unless it is kernel you want to test, vserver is a nice way to test sid related stuff |
| 22:06.36 | Erick | k |
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| 22:08.42 | Erick | I'll keep trying to fix that error anyway. I have solved others by my self |
| 22:08.46 | Erick | thx anyway |
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| 22:33.47 | sixyearsofdreams | i have a debian 5.0 webserver, i did all portforwarding correctly and the box has worked elsewhere before, but now when i access the server via public ip it comes back saying 404 Not Found - The requested URL '/test' was not found on this server. |
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| 22:34.06 | sixyearsofdreams | i can access the server via local ip. the 192. |
| 22:34.14 | sixyearsofdreams | anyone familiar maybe? |
| 22:34.29 | petemc | that doesnt sound like a problem with port forwarding |
| 22:35.02 | sixyearsofdreams | yeah thats what i just figured.. it is accessing the web server but not finding the file |
| 22:35.10 | sixyearsofdreams | but it doesnt make sense.. localy everything works perfectly fine |
| 22:35.24 | sixyearsofdreams | the same ip i port forwarded it works just fine |
| 22:37.02 | dancek | sixyearsofdreams, you should check your logs |
| 22:37.25 | sixyearsofdreams | in apache? |
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| 22:38.02 | dancek | sixyearsofdreams, if you're using apache you'll wanna look at /var/log/apache or something like that |
| 22:38.35 | sixyearsofdreams | apache2 |
| 22:39.09 | xand | sixyearsofdreams: maybe a vhost problem |
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| 22:42.56 | sixyearsofdreams | apache log just shows that the file doesnt exist.. |
| 22:43.05 | sixyearsofdreams | which clearly exists because i am able to access it via local ip :( |
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| 22:46.19 | sixyearsofdreams | it actualy doesnt show any errors when i try to access it via public ip and it shows that 404 not found |
| 22:48.12 | salvin | is there a cdrtools package for debian? |
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| 22:55.35 | streuner_ | salvin: /msg dpkg cdrtools |
| 22:55.36 | nsadmin | , versions cdrtools |
| 22:55.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cdrtools' was found. |
| 22:56.00 | streuner_ | dpkg cdrtools |
| 22:56.01 | dpkg | cdrtools (formerly cdrecord) is a collection of Open Source programs that include many features for CD and DVD authoring. The Debian project considers the current cdrtools version illegal to distribute (see Debian bug #377109), so cdrtools is replaced by cdrkit starting from Debian 4.0. See also <cdrecord>. |
| 22:56.31 | salvin | an unofficial package |
| 22:56.55 | salvin | i have this problem: http://www.linux-solved.com/post/Dell-1555-burn-isos-error-SOLVED-PARTIALLY-52537.html |
| 22:57.10 | salvin | or this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/531901 |
| 22:57.26 | nsadmin | if they're open source go get them and build them |
| 22:57.58 | salvin | nsadmin: i know |
| 22:58.48 | streuner_ | it must be a big problem in order to burn a CD or DVD |
| 22:59.27 | streuner_ | almost nobody is able to burn a CD or DVD in Debian </troll> |
| 23:00.40 | Bushmills | that's because debian isn't that good with latest and very recent hardware |
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| 23:01.16 | nsadmin | salvin: why are you interested in cdrtools? |
| 23:01.22 | streuner_ | in order to burn DVDs or CDs? you are kidding |
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| 23:01.57 | Bushmills | you of all should understand that |
| 23:02.21 | salvin | nsadmin: someone solved using it |
| 23:03.13 | nsadmin | there exists stuff already to do that, so why is he going out of his way to get soemthign debian can't distribute |
| 23:03.34 | nsadmin | must not be all it does |
| 23:03.51 | streuner_ | he must be a troll or something like that... |
| 23:04.10 | streuner_ | only Schilly trolls in such ways :-) |
| 23:04.18 | salvin | nsadmin: but if cdrkit doesn't work... |
| 23:04.42 | nsadmin | salvin: does it work, or not? |
| 23:04.51 | salvin | no |
| 23:05.04 | salvin | look the bugreports |
| 23:05.21 | nsadmin | I don't see any debian bug reports there |
| 23:05.29 | streuner_ | salvn: its a *bunt* problem.... |
| 23:05.45 | streuner_ | salvin: ^^^ |
| 23:06.01 | salvin | ehm |
| 23:06.09 | salvin | i'm using debian |
| 23:06.30 | streuner_ | wth are you using BTS of ubuntu then? |
| 23:06.38 | nsadmin | salvin: ok, and you're saying it doesn't work for you. Do you have specifics of YOUR situation? |
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| 23:06.56 | adb | salvin, which release ? |
| 23:07.04 | nsadmin | if those are bug reports you filed, why not file a debian report? |
| 23:07.54 | salvin | ok, but for now i need a workaround |
| 23:07.55 | nsadmin | could you post your uname -r? |
| 23:08.19 | salvin | 2.6.32-4-amd64 |
| 23:08.33 | streuner_ | salvin: cat /proc/version |
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| 23:08.40 | salvin | wodim: |
| 23:08.42 | salvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.54 | streuner_ | judd, versions wodim |
| 23:08.56 | judd | wodim -- etch: 9:1.1.2-1; lenny: 9:1.1.9-1; sid: 9:1.1.10-1; squeeze: 9:1.1.10-1 |
| 23:09.15 | nsadmin | judd, kernels |
| 23:09.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:09.34 | chops1 | I do not understand sed. I'm trying to delete the current line and the next one when a pattern is matched. echo "a\nb\nc\nd" | sed '/^b/d' does what I expect, but no combination of d and n after the /^b/ seems to do anything that seems at all sensible to me. |
| 23:09.42 | chops1 | chops1: Does anyone know how to make sed do that? |
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| 23:10.10 | adb | chops1> /j #sed |
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| 23:11.59 | salvin | streuner_: the output of wodim: http://paste.debian.net/71581/ |
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| 23:12.56 | streuner_ | salvin: i asked you about cat /proc/version |
| 23:13.13 | salvin | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.32-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-11) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-8) ) #1 SMP Mon Apr 5 21:14:10 UTC 2010 |
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| 23:13.33 | streuner_ | salvin: and please file a bugreport as nsadmin told you already |
| 23:14.57 | salvin | streuner_: and why did you want all that info? |
| 23:15.25 | streuner_ | to make sure you are using Debian |
| 23:16.29 | streuner_ | well, to tell you the truth, its very rare that someone have problems in order to burn DVDs or CDs in Debian |
| 23:16.47 | streuner_ | it could happen, but its nowadays rare |
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| 23:17.09 | nsadmin | according to the bug report he posted, someone solved it by downgrading the firmware |
| 23:17.18 | salvin | streuner_: i'm unlucky :) |
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| 23:21.58 | Bushmills | funny that when apt-get or aptitude are used on a chroot installation, they still want to restart daemons when libs used by them are updated, while those daemons don't depend on the chroot libs at all. |
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| 23:25.16 | salvin | nsadmin: no, i have the other model |
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| 23:27.56 | Pinchiukas | Can I somehow see in logfiles, when the disk goes into a power saving mode? |
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| 23:33.20 | streuner_ | Pinchiukas: usually all messages are in /var/log/messages/syslog |
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| 23:36.29 | mattfury | hello |
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| 23:38.56 | xerophyte | what is the best and cheap place to by SAS 2.5 15Krpm 300G drives? |
| 23:39.29 | jordanm[titan] | xerophyte: ##hardware |
| 23:40.01 | nsadmin | SAS, that's serial scsi? |
| 23:40.19 | jordanm[titan] | yes |
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| 23:42.50 | nsadmin | curious, what will you put them in? |
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| 23:43.48 | streuner_ | xerophyte: www.gethecheapeastcraphere.com :-P |
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| 23:44.32 | streuner_ | xerophyte: just google and use some pricemachines... |
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| 23:47.18 | flami | Hi, I am trying to distribute my getent hosts with ldap. unfortunatley the objectClass ipHost isnt structural, So it wont get accepted. ipNetwork however is , I got it running by adding that object class. But this kinda messes with my getent network |
| 23:47.53 | flami | Does anyone know a smart way to solve that problem ? :P Id really just like to use IpHost alone, or without messing with something else. |
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| 23:50.08 | jordanm[titan] | flami: getent is a command.. but you seem to be using in the context of a type of network. am I missing something? |
| 23:50.59 | flami | jordanm[titan]: yes wuel i dont know how I would call uhmm distributing hosts.txt ant /etc/networks using ldap ... since it doesnt really write files |
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| 23:51.35 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.51 | adb | hoops , sorry |
| 23:51.53 | jordanm[titan] | flami: perhaps you should try an openldap specific channel |
| 23:52.07 | flami | Ill try that :P |
| 23:52.22 | flami | hum it would seem that theres a "device" class |
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| 23:58.17 | jalalsfs | Hi |