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| 00:05.27 | jalalsfs | I downloaded that http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 00:05.53 | jordanm[titan] | why the dvd? |
| 00:05.58 | linuxguy | hi..any more news regarding debian 6 release? |
| 00:06.16 | flami | <- big netinstall fan |
| 00:06.22 | jordanm[titan] | !wwsr |
| 00:06.22 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html |
| 00:06.48 | jordanm[titan] | linuxguy: subscribe the mailing lists |
| 00:08.44 | jalalsfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.50 | flami | more importantly actaully read teh mailing lists :P |
| 00:08.56 | jalalsfs | the md5sum not same |
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| 00:09.25 | jordanm[titan] | jalalsfs: just download the netinst |
| 00:09.27 | flami | jalalsfs: try the netinstall, its small, so you can download quite often ^^ |
| 00:09.29 | jalalsfs | What can I do? I am in the big problem |
| 00:09.30 | jordanm[titan] | !tell jalalsfs about enter |
| 00:09.53 | jordanm[titan] | is bandwidth limited? |
| 00:09.54 | jalalsfs | I haven't net in my home |
| 00:10.00 | flami | if theres a damaged download theres nothing you can do, except try again |
| 00:10.08 | jalalsfs | No |
| 00:10.41 | jordanm[titan] | jalalsfs: then maybe you should not use a release which is a moving target |
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| 00:10.44 | flami | mayb if your conenction tends to lost packages , try bittorrent, it has error correction build in |
| 00:10.46 | jordanm[titan] | !tell jalalsfs about moving target |
| 00:10.47 | jalalsfs | Can I find file torrent for correct the ISO file ? |
| 00:10.52 | linuxguy | jordanm[titan], its ok, it tells me its not ready, if the answer was we hope to have a realease soon would of been better, although i am not using debian right now, ive been using squeeze with apolished liquorix kernel from sid :) |
| 00:11.00 | flami | by fod I wrtite soo many errors |
| 00:11.47 | flami | jalalsfs: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 00:12.58 | jalalsfs | jordanm[titan]: I downloaded by Internet Download Manager |
| 00:12.58 | Bop | what's the lame encoder package ? |
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| 00:13.22 | flami | lame ... its to encode+deconde mp3 |
| 00:13.27 | Bop | yes |
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| 00:13.44 | jalalsfs | flami: Thank you very vero so much. |
| 00:14.01 | Cappy | hi folks, looking for a simple video program to grab some stills from divx movies. Any suggestions? |
| 00:14.29 | Bop | Cappy, menconder from mplayer sure do that |
| 00:14.35 | flami | want to amke a screenshot in a movie? |
| 00:14.40 | flami | I think vlc can do that too |
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| 00:15.34 | Cappy | bugger, videos are all on another machine.... |
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| 00:15.38 | flami | (under video->snapshot iirc ) |
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| 00:21.17 | Bop | what's the lame encoder package ? |
| 00:21.58 | nsadmin | get ready for a shock! |
| 00:22.00 | nsadmin | it's... |
| 00:22.02 | nsadmin | lame! |
| 00:22.03 | adb | lame on |
| 00:22.28 | jordanm[titan] | Bop: apt-file search *bin/lame; likely in dmm |
| 00:23.04 | Bop | dont have apt-file :S |
| 00:23.07 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.11 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 00:23.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:23.54 | woodworks | omg - not everything!? |
| 00:24.17 | nsadmin | nope! only an arbitrary fraction of everything! |
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| 00:25.00 | Bop | nsadmin, Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/Packages Packages |
| 00:25.00 | Bop | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.33 | jordanm[titan] | !dmm |
| 00:25.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 00:25.34 | nsadmin | oh, that output is from my apt-cache policy lame' |
| 00:28.14 | nsadmin | lame isn't binary only tho, is it? |
| 00:28.57 | Bop | no , also libs |
| 00:29.59 | nsadmin | anyway the deb lines are no doubt explained/provided in the link above |
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| 00:36.27 | Chunky_Ks | Afternoon all. I'm working on my pet project and came here wondering about sponsors. All the debian packaging is done afaik, but I'd really like some feedback from someone knowledgable on the topic |
| 00:36.46 | Chunky_Ks | also, the url returned to me when I asked dpkg about sponsors is a 404 |
| 00:37.27 | adb | !mentor |
| 00:37.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 00:37.46 | mentor | ROAR! |
| 00:38.14 | Chunky_Ks | heh. Thus far, one comment from a mentor, who appears entirely ferocious. |
| 00:38.32 | mentor | gnaws on Chunky_Ks' leg |
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| 00:38.45 | Chunky_Ks | " |
| 00:38.49 | Chunky_Ks | tastes like... chicken" |
| 00:38.59 | mentor | but Chunky |
| 00:40.06 | Chunky_Ks | !sponsor |
| 00:40.06 | dpkg | somebody said sponsor was a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 00:40.12 | Chunky_Ks | <--- that really is a 404, by the way |
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| 00:41.00 | mentor | Which one? |
| 00:41.16 | Chunky_Ks | The one in the sponsor response from dpkg |
| 00:41.18 | Chunky_Ks | http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 00:44.07 | Vasistha | Chunky_Ks: try #debian-devel on OFTC (I think that's the right channel name) |
| 00:44.26 | mentor | http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer.html#mentors |
| 00:44.31 | mentor | Does that make sense? |
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| 00:44.38 | Chunky_Ks | yeah, I'm reading that now |
| 00:44.41 | Chunky_Ks | Thank-you |
| 00:45.18 | mentor | dpkg no sponsor is a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer.html#mentors |
| 00:45.18 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
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| 00:51.44 | Bop | damn it , audacity does not open flac files ? |
| 00:54.57 | Vasistha | Bop: convert it to wav first I guess? |
| 00:55.15 | Bop | Vasistha, yeah , right , big help with lots of work |
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| 00:58.06 | mentor | Bop: Well, I guess noone's going to bother at all then |
| 00:58.40 | Bop | not bother ? a f**king editor that is called the best and it does not support flac and no one bothers ? |
| 00:59.23 | Vasistha | Bop: I'm sure they'd welcome a patch if you'd care to write one and submit it |
| 01:00.04 | Bop | yeah |
| 01:00.12 | Bop | now everyone need to be a programmer |
| 01:00.14 | Bop | nice excuse |
| 01:01.04 | Riviera | 8) |
| 01:01.28 | jordanm[titan] | regular users can still submit wishlist bugs |
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| 01:02.06 | Chunky_Ks | erm |
| 01:02.37 | Chunky_Ks | normally I find these urls to be a bit too passive-aggressive, but today it's warranted... |
| 01:02.40 | Chunky_Ks | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flac+audacity |
| 01:02.46 | Chunky_Ks | top link. "The current stable Audacity 1.2.6 can import 16 bit FLAC files." |
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| 01:03.41 | Bop | im using 1.3.5-beta and it fails |
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| 01:05.50 | sh4g0 | help, how i can find the corrects repositories for my debian? |
| 01:06.13 | Chunky_Ks | and the most recent version I see is 1.3.12, the changelog contains many fixes for flac since 1.3.5 |
| 01:06.32 | jordanm[titan] | sh4g0: what version of debian? |
| 01:06.34 | Chunky_Ks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.41 | Chunky_Ks | As I understand it, your statement is factually incorrect. |
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| 01:07.30 | Bop | ok,u'r right ill just blame on lenny old packages |
| 01:07.44 | sh4g0 | jordanm[titan], squeeze |
| 01:07.56 | sh4g0 | now i'm on http://packages.debian.org/es/squeeze/ |
| 01:08.06 | sh4g0 | but i don't know wath to do.. |
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| 01:08.34 | jordanm[titan] | !mirrors |
| 01:08.35 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 01:09.02 | sh4g0 | :S |
| 01:09.27 | cretsiah | hello, Im using debian lenny standard base install, however on my router only the ip address shows up, how do i make the host name veiwable? |
| 01:10.31 | Chunky_Ks | OK, thank-you so much for your help, guys, mentor especially. |
| 01:10.42 | Bushmills | how does your base installation relate to your router? |
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| 01:11.43 | Bushmills | easy way to view a hostname is probably to type it in |
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| 01:12.33 | hesco | what base package would I install to pull in LaTeX and its dependencies, apt-cache search latex offers 280 options to choose among. |
| 01:12.58 | cretsiah | it doesnt I was just surprised that the hostname didnt show up ie hostname: whatever host on local network ipaddress: 192.168.x.x |
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| 01:14.56 | bahadunn | dudes |
| 01:15.07 | bahadunn | what GUI does debian have by default these days? |
| 01:15.21 | Chunky_Ks | I installed lenny last night, and gnome came up |
| 01:15.28 | bahadunn | okay |
| 01:15.30 | bahadunn | fair enough |
| 01:15.37 | bahadunn | ubuntu 10.04 sucks by the way |
| 01:16.02 | adb | cretsiah, /msg dpkg hostname |
| 01:16.17 | Tux^verdreifelt | ubuntu sucks in any version. |
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| 01:16.33 | bahadunn | maybe so but 10.04 sucks especially bad |
| 01:16.41 | hesco | I'm imaging perhaps: latex209-base, texlive-latex-base, but am not really sure here |
| 01:16.41 | bahadunn | upgrade and bam keyboard and mouse no work anymore |
| 01:17.05 | adb | !ot |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:17.22 | Chunky_Ks | hesco: personally, I just apt-get install lyx and its dependencies |
| 01:17.30 | Chunky_Ks | obviously not really the answer you seek, but it works for me. |
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| 01:18.20 | hesco | lyx seems like an odd choice for a remote server. Isn't that a guid desktop tool for writing LaTeX files for processing? |
| 01:19.12 | nsadmin | lyx is a tex wizzywig\ |
| 01:19.17 | hesco | s/guid/gui/ |
| 01:19.23 | adb | Chunky_Ks /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 01:19.27 | hesco | right, that is what I thought |
| 01:19.44 | nsadmin | err latex I think |
| 01:19.53 | kosiini | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.00 | kosiini | oh...right |
| 01:20.23 | kosiini | switches back to a monospace font |
| 01:21.41 | hesco | well a simulated install of lyx on that server seems to sujjest that some combination of the texlive packages is probably what I am looking for here |
| 01:21.52 | hesco | thanks Chunky_Ks |
| 01:22.27 | Pinchiukas | Can I somehow see in logfiles, when the disk goes into a power saving mode? |
| 01:23.00 | hesco | yes, this looks about right: apt-get -s install texlive |
| 01:23.06 | hesco | I think I will go with that one. |
| 01:23.09 | hesco | Thanks again |
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| 01:51.37 | nsadmin | I just noticed lenny security has updated login and passwd... why? |
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| 02:15.21 | Spreadsheet_ | Hello |
| 02:15.30 | Spreadsheet_ | Is Debian thinking of using anti-aliased fonts as default? |
| 02:15.34 | Spreadsheet_ | Please don't! |
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| 02:18.39 | adb | !anti-aliased |
| 02:18.39 | dpkg | [anti-aliased] don't bother. just get decent fonts, the trade your 21" trinitron with bob2 for his old 14" grainy-ass monitor, if you REALLY want blurry unreadable text that hurts your eyes. |
| 02:19.17 | Spreadsheet_ | :D |
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| 02:24.38 | Spreadsheet_ | So Debian won't have anti-aliased/subpixel hinted fonts? |
| 02:24.53 | Spreadsheet_ | Ever? |
| 02:26.36 | adb | see pdo, /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 02:39.55 | TheKiken | Hola |
| 02:39.58 | TheKiken | Hi |
| 02:40.02 | Vasistha | Spreadsheet_: uhm... my debian kde fonts are anti-aliased and subpixel hinted |
| 02:40.27 | Spreadsheet_ | What about Debian GNOME? |
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| 02:41.43 | Vasistha | Spreadsheet_: I'd imagine it's possible, though I don't know how to change the settings. |
| 02:44.21 | mentor | Spreadsheet_: You can adjust the fonts in the appearance settings |
| 02:44.31 | mentor | They are antialiased by default though |
| 02:44.33 | Spreadsheet_ | I mean is it default? |
| 02:44.36 | mentor | No |
| 02:44.38 | Spreadsheet_ | Will it be default? |
| 02:44.42 | mentor | We thought everyone would hate that |
| 02:44.44 | mentor | What? |
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| 02:44.49 | mentor | Of course it's the default |
| 02:44.50 | Spreadsheet_ | Subpixel hinting |
| 02:45.18 | CodeNinja | is this a huge problem? Seems like a pretty big change. May 1 17:48:48 erebus smartd[3106]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 200 to 100 |
| 02:45.22 | mentor | Oh |
| 02:45.28 | mentor | You were taking dpkg seriously |
| 02:45.46 | Spreadsheet_ | huh?? |
| 02:45.54 | mentor | What? |
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| 02:46.11 | Spreadsheet_ | Will subpixel hinting be default in future releases? |
| 02:46.53 | mentor | er |
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| 02:47.28 | mentor | Well, technically it will probably be configured by monitor information |
| 02:47.37 | mentor | But, honestly, what are you on about? |
| 02:47.38 | Tramp | CodeNinja: and crossposting really annoys people who answer |
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| 02:48.04 | Spreadsheet_ | It can't be configured by monitors.. |
| 02:48.32 | Spreadsheet_ | I just don't like subpixel hinting and wanted it out of future releases... so now I know it won't be on future releases |
| 02:48.40 | Spreadsheet_ | There's a lot of problems if you try to turn it off |
| 02:48.55 | mentor | No there aren't |
| 02:49.04 | Spreadsheet_ | Yes... |
| 02:49.15 | Spreadsheet_ | Some apps still get hinting |
| 02:49.18 | mentor | and the opinions of everyone else but you are probably likely to prevail |
| 02:49.25 | mentor | That's the apps fault |
| 02:49.35 | CodeNinja | Tramp: sorry, typically I've found that not getting any type of response within the first few minutes in that channel probably means no one knows, also, I had not seen you post your reply, I apologize |
| 02:50.02 | mentor | The app can display whatever it wants to the screen |
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| 02:51.00 | CodeNinja | gah |
| 02:51.31 | mentor | (changing the default won't help) |
| 02:53.01 | woodworks | i have an i386 box with 128mg memory, 4 gig hardrive currently dual booting win98 and unbuntu - want to change to debian, install guide recommends using xfce4, icewm or wmaker for desktop, for a dummy windoze user is there a recommendation? |
| 02:53.14 | Spreadsheet_ | KDE or GNOME |
| 02:53.20 | Spreadsheet_ | Hmm |
| 02:53.33 | Spreadsheet_ | LXDE or Xfce4 for that low of specs |
| 02:53.47 | woodworks | right, low specs |
| 02:54.03 | Chunky_Ks | used twm for years and was very happy with it :-) |
| 02:54.33 | Spreadsheet_ | You would be better off with a minimalistic WM or pure CLI but you are a "dummy windoze user"... so I don't know now |
| 02:55.47 | woodworks | the unbuntu actually loads gnome(or kde, i'm not sure) but is ultra slow |
| 02:55.59 | Bushmills | console doesn't need that much RAM |
| 02:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | Linux Mag has an article about various desktops. |
| 02:56.18 | Spreadsheet_ | GNOME and KDE are heavy |
| 02:56.30 | Spreadsheet_ | woodworks: fluxbox maybe? |
| 02:56.37 | woodworks | right, changing apps is glacial |
| 02:56.51 | Spreadsheet_ | Here's a list of minimalistic VMs: fluxbox, stump, awesome, dwm, xmonad |
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| 02:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Ubuntu, which is derived from but is NOT Debian, defaults to Gnome, but can load alternatives; kubuntu is a kde oriented version, none of the above are Debian in any way. |
| 02:57.30 | Bushmills | and another 20 or so more |
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| 02:58.09 | woodworks | will there be a choice when using the debian installer to choose one of the minimalistic systems? |
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| 02:58.50 | Spreadsheet_ | You'll have to learn the WM if you want to use one of them |
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| 02:59.26 | woodworks | wm = windows manager? |
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| 02:59.34 | Spreadsheet_ | yeah |
| 03:00.01 | flipjargendy | Am I going completely crazy or shouldn't drivers (for a touchscreen) go into /usr/drivers/... |
| 03:00.03 | Spreadsheet_ | http://fluxbuntu.org/ |
| 03:00.17 | woodworks | ok, thanks I'll do some reading and see what suits |
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| 03:00.56 | adb | !ig |
| 03:00.56 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 03:01.32 | flipjargendy | ...there is no directory /usr/drivers.... anyone know the correct dir off hand? |
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| 03:02.57 | christophocles | anybody here? I have a newbie question about network interfaces |
| 03:03.00 | adb | maybe > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
| 03:03.12 | adb | flipjargendy, ^^ |
| 03:03.44 | flipjargendy | adb, I will check.. ty |
| 03:04.15 | wols | woodworks: there won't be a choice. simply don't install the "desktop" task |
| 03:04.27 | flipjargendy | abd, that looks like it is it. Thank you! |
| 03:04.31 | wols | woodworks: you will have to install what you want a bit more manually |
| 03:04.44 | adb | flipjargendy, yw |
| 03:04.55 | christophocles | i have an ethernet card in my machine and it doesn't appear as eth0 when i type "ifconfig"... I think the correct kernel module for it is loaded though.. how do I make it appear there so that I can control it? |
| 03:04.58 | woodworks | wols, thanks for the headsup |
| 03:05.11 | ngomes | christophocles, ifconfig -a |
| 03:05.46 | adb | christophocles, /msg dpkg 70 |
| 03:05.50 | wols | christophocles: does it show when you run ifconfig -a ? |
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| 03:06.16 | Spreadsheet_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceweasel307.png < what border theme would that be? |
| 03:06.19 | christophocles | ok yes, I do see an eth1 when I do ifconfig -a |
| 03:07.03 | wols | christophocles: then see what adb told you |
| 03:07.24 | christophocles | ok... *reads |
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| 03:11.33 | christophocles | working now, thanks! |
| 03:11.59 | wols | woodworks: actually, don't install anything on the tasks list at the end of the installation. only install stuff later with lines like "aptitude install xorg lxde |
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| 03:17.14 | webtrew | hola |
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| 03:28.36 | flipjargendy | Will running "gcc filename.c" just create another file or will it actually place files in different directories? |
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| 03:30.21 | wols | it creates just a file. a.out |
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| 03:34.09 | tensorpudding | argh, pbuilder --create fails repeatedly, each time in a different way |
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| 03:34.54 | tensorpudding | it keeps choking trying to install packages at some point, and aborts |
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| 03:39.00 | reklipz | how can I use dd to copy from the end of my disk? |
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| 03:39.56 | tensorpudding | I've never had this problem using debootstrap, maybe cdebootstrap is just really flakey? |
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| 03:41.42 | wols | reklipz: man dd. see "skip" |
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| 03:42.52 | reklipz | wols: thanks, I wasn't sure if that was my only option or if there was an easier one that didn't involve knowing the number of sectors on my disk |
| 03:43.11 | reklipz | wols: it appears, however, if you dd past the end of the if, it simply stops |
| 03:43.30 | tensorpudding | Failed for the fourth time, going to try a different mirror. |
| 03:43.31 | reklipz | wols: which confirms I did my math correctly, and that what I've got will work. Thanks |
| 03:43.45 | wols | reklipz: skip has nothing to do with sectors |
| 03:44.00 | reklipz | wols, correct |
| 03:44.05 | reklipz | wols: but, my problem does |
| 03:44.21 | hatter_ | what problems could i run into making a 15Tb array using a big LV (15Tb) and 20x 1.5Tb S/W RAID1 sata disks ? (hmm and how will get 20 sata out of one mobo) |
| 03:44.22 | reklipz | I want to grab the last X bytes from my disk, the last 1024 sectors actually |
| 03:44.26 | wols | simply don't use a count. then it will copy until the disk ends |
| 03:44.44 | reklipz | wols: exactly, :) |
| 03:45.12 | wols | reklipz: man tail? |
| 03:45.34 | reklipz | wols: but on a 500GB disk, ensuring the skip starts at the proper place is helpful as well, which involves knowing the size of the disk (aka, number of sectors) |
| 03:45.38 | wols | tail -c 1024 /dev/sda > file.out ? |
| 03:45.48 | reklipz | :( |
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| 03:48.59 | dbbolton | how does one remove a program that was installed by a setup.py script? |
| 03:49.15 | reklipz | dbbolton: is a setup.py script a standard of some sort? |
| 03:49.36 | reklipz | dbbolton: I'll assume not, in which case you would research to see if said script has an argument to specify uninstallation |
| 03:49.39 | dbbolton | reklipz: i have seen it with a few different programs |
| 03:49.41 | tensorpudding | The setup.py script might have a command for removing the program. |
| 03:50.07 | dbbolton | tensorpudding: i checked "setup.py --help" and "setup.py --help-commands" |
| 03:50.08 | reklipz | dbbolton: if not, then your going to have to check the project for a script to do such, and if none exists, live with the install, or figure out what the setup.py script did and reverse it |
| 03:50.58 | dbbolton | http://paste.debian.net/71593/ |
| 03:50.58 | tensorpudding | It might be easy if the script didn't change any system configuration or anything |
| 03:50.59 | reklipz | has anyone been able to get grub2 to work when booting from a fakeraid? |
| 03:51.33 | reklipz | dbbolton: :( |
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| 03:52.22 | reklipz | where is the bdist_deb option?! |
| 03:52.26 | dbbolton | http://paste.debian.net/71594/ |
| 03:52.44 | dbbolton | no kidding |
| 03:52.52 | reklipz | try setup.py uninstall |
| 03:52.52 | tensorpudding | What's bdist_deb? |
| 03:53.32 | reklipz | tensorpudding: the usage output shows bdist_* options, which build packages for distributions, there was one for rpm, some binary form, some windows crap, but no dpkg option |
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| 03:53.38 | dbbolton | reklipz: i did that |
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| 03:53.44 | reklipz | dbbolton: no success? |
| 03:53.51 | dbbolton | but it looks like there is an uninstall script in a different file |
| 03:53.53 | reklipz | grep the script for "uninstall" |
| 03:53.56 | reklipz | :) |
| 03:54.21 | reklipz | dbbolton: you'd be better off asking someone from the project how to uninstall |
| 03:55.39 | dbbolton | i think the uninstall script worked |
| 03:55.50 | tensorpudding | argh! it failed with debootstrap + different mirror |
| 03:55.56 | dbbolton | now i need to figure how how to uninstall with scons |
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| 04:05.32 | tensorpudding | oh oh pbuilder might not fail this time |
| 04:06.21 | tensorpudding | ...failed during extraction |
| 04:06.47 | tensorpudding | Apparently telling it --debug doesn't actually mean "give me a clue as to why you failed" |
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| 04:06.54 | jnss | when's debian 6 coming out ;( |
| 04:07.05 | Tux^verdreifelt | when it's done |
| 04:07.10 | jnss | time table? |
| 04:07.41 | tensorpudding | before all the debian users give up and move elsewhere |
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| 04:07.50 | jnss | ah just before that |
| 04:08.29 | jnss | will 6 be what is now called sid? |
| 04:08.55 | adb | !squeeze |
| 04:08.56 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 04:08.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:09.37 | tensorpudding | ugh, i feel too lazy to write a bug report |
| 04:09.40 | Chunky_Ks | http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 04:09.48 | Chunky_Ks | "The code name for Debian's development distribution is "sid", aliased to "unstable". Most of the development work that is done in Debian, is uploaded to this distribution. This distribution will never get released; instead, packages from it will propagate into testing and then into a real release." |
| 04:10.26 | simonrvn | thank you Chunky_Ks - i believe the bot has similar too, fyi |
| 04:10.44 | Chunky_Ks | Oh, probably |
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| 04:10.54 | simonrvn | !sid |
| 04:10.54 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 04:11.40 | simonrvn | hmm, different |
| 04:11.59 | simonrvn | eh, doesn't hurt =) |
| 04:12.10 | Chunky_Ks | no, I'm pretty sure it does hurt :-) |
| 04:12.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:13.22 | K1ng\ | lenny is new version? |
| 04:13.47 | Chunky_Ks | current, yes. |
| 04:13.52 | Chunky_Ks | "new" is kinda subjective |
| 04:14.01 | K1ng\ | ok thank you |
| 04:14.15 | adb | current stable |
| 04:17.39 | reklipz | compared to other distros, many would consider Lenny to be "new" |
| 04:17.47 | reklipz | is looking at CentOS |
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| 04:18.24 | reklipz | are you all really going to make me burn an Ubuntu live CD just to get grub2 to work properly? |
| 04:19.19 | simonrvn | no, you could burn the debian one :P. |
| 04:19.55 | K1ng\ | lol |
| 04:20.12 | K1ng\ | reklipz, get a pen drive |
| 04:20.22 | reklipz | K1ng\: oh, right, the U3 exploit. |
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| 04:20.55 | reklipz | that's where I've got my debian install disc, d-i 6.0 alpha1, the installer that *isn't* working |
| 04:20.59 | reklipz | :/ |
| 04:21.47 | reklipz | I figure, install Ubuntu just to let it setup grub2 properly, then install debian without touching the mbr/bootloader |
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| 04:22.03 | reklipz | and tweak lots of crap to make it work |
| 04:23.50 | K1ng\ | how to create user? |
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| 04:24.18 | reklipz | K1ng\: adduser, useradd, various DE tools |
| 04:24.18 | wols | reklipz: you install STABLE and then _upgrade_ to TESTING |
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| 04:25.03 | riddle | MTF |
| 04:25.06 | wols | bvs: fix your client. authenticate to services first, then join channels |
| 04:25.16 | riddle | viva america latina |
| 04:25.22 | reklipz | wols: stable doesn't use grub2 though, does it? |
| 04:25.28 | riddle | gringuitos |
| 04:25.32 | wols | reklipz: no it does not and it doesn't matter |
| 04:25.40 | riddle | bitch |
| 04:25.44 | reklipz | wols: it does to me, :/ |
| 04:25.48 | riddle | Arizona |
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| 04:25.57 | wols | reklipz: do you have a debian related question? |
| 04:26.01 | riddle | suck me dick |
| 04:26.03 | wols | sorry |
| 04:26.13 | tensorpudding | riddle: kindly go away |
| 04:26.13 | wols | !ops riddle asks to be removed |
| 04:26.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: riddle asks to be removed |
| 04:26.14 | riddle | Mexico |
| 04:26.27 | riddle | Mexico |
| 04:26.42 | wols | mentor: you still awake? |
| 04:26.53 | simonrvn | riddle: i do agree arizona sucks |
| 04:26.55 | riddle | Nazis? |
| 04:27.02 | riddle | come here |
| 04:27.02 | amikrop | Can you make it, so you don't need to run dist-upgrade, but get always to stable, with apt-get update-s? |
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| 04:27.33 | wols | amikrop: rephrase the question so it makes more sense please |
| 04:28.02 | amikrop | wols: OK. Can you configure your system, so you always have the latest "stable" brach with daily updates? |
| 04:28.07 | amikrop | * branch |
| 04:28.35 | wols | sure you can. run aptitude |
| 04:29.08 | wols | !tell amikrop about cron-apt |
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| 04:30.07 | amikrop | wols: I mean, can you always have the latest "stable" version without changing your sources.lst each time a new version is out? |
| 04:30.32 | amikrop | wols: Maybe if you replace "etch" with "stable" in your sources.lst? |
| 04:31.22 | wols | amikrop: yes you can do this. not really recommended but you can |
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| 04:31.36 | amikrop | wols: why not recommended? |
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| 04:32.08 | wols | cause when stable changes versions, there is a big chance of lots of trouble |
| 04:32.27 | wols | e,g you might have to do more than aptitude dist-upgrade to make it all work |
| 04:34.35 | amikrop | wols: You mean like aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade, like dpkg says? |
| 04:36.35 | wols | no |
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| 04:36.52 | jalalsfs | Hello |
| 04:37.43 | jalalsfs | Is there any file torrent for squeeze? |
| 04:38.08 | simonrvn | maybe, check the cd site |
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| 04:38.27 | simonrvn | cd.debian.org iirc |
| 04:38.40 | simonrvn | or www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 04:39.30 | jalalsfs | simonrvn: Just stable |
| 04:41.00 | simonrvn | oh well |
| 04:41.49 | jalalsfs | O.K. |
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| 04:42.45 | wols | jalalsfs: there are ISOs to download without bittorrent however. is there a special reason you need a testing installer? |
| 04:43.20 | User_007 | Hello. I am using xscreensaver. It's too much cool, but the lock screen is very ugly. Si ther a way to make ite better? |
| 04:43.51 | jalalsfs | wols: Thank you. |
| 04:44.02 | User_007 | sorry: So , is there a way to make ite better? |
| 04:45.13 | User_007 | does anyone here uses xscreensaver? |
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| 04:48.44 | jalalsfs | I downloaded this http://bttracker.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 04:49.19 | jalalsfs | From this site http://bttracker.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:49.42 | jalalsfs | But the file not same MD5sum |
| 04:49.50 | jalalsfs | What can I do now? |
| 04:49.51 | Chunky_Ks | User_007: there's a very good reason it's like that. |
| 04:49.55 | Chunky_Ks | one minute, lemme find the ref |
| 04:50.40 | Chunky_Ks | http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html |
| 04:54.06 | User_007 | Chunky_Ks, i have already read it. But i also found a homepage from a guy that used a theme on it. i just want to know if it is possible to do something like that in this version. |
| 04:54.28 | Chunky_Ks | the theme was probably app-defaults stuff using X |
| 04:54.34 | Chunky_Ks | in which case... go to town, have fun |
| 04:54.36 | User_007 | or at last change the image of the burning screen ... |
| 04:54.37 | wols | jalalsfs: why do you need a testing installer in the first place? |
| 04:54.39 | K1ng\ | r00t is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 04:54.42 | K1ng\ | how to fix it? |
| 04:54.57 | Chunky_Ks | K1ng\: switch to root, visudo, and add them to the sudoers file? |
| 04:55.20 | jalalsfs | wols: New packages in it. |
| 04:55.22 | Chunky_Ks | monkey-see-monkey-do with the entry in there for "root" right now |
| 04:55.33 | wols | jalalsfs: broken packages in it |
| 04:55.45 | jalalsfs | I need fix the file. |
| 04:55.58 | jalalsfs | wols: hhh |
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| 04:56.18 | K1ng\ | like this? r00t ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 04:56.35 | User_007 | Chunky_Ks, i have searched for the picture that i want to change in the package, but no sign of it. can be possible thet it's included on binary? |
| 04:56.41 | Chunky_Ks | yes |
| 04:56.52 | User_007 | *that |
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| 04:56.57 | Chunky_Ks | make sure you use visudo to do it, and not just edit the config file directly [name deliberately left out] |
| 04:57.16 | Chunky_Ks | almost certainly. Is it that big X ? |
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| 04:57.31 | ksnp | hi how can i find the kernel timer resolution on my machine ? |
| 04:57.41 | ksnp | is it possible to change it without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 04:57.42 | Chunky_Ks | IIRC, xscreensaver enjoys a tasty XPM for the unlock image |
| 04:57.45 | K1ng\ | what ftp server is good? |
| 04:57.52 | wols | !ftpd |
| 04:57.52 | dpkg | [ftpd] A daemon that speaks <FTP>. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it); <wu-ftpd> (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq); <proftpd>, which is somewhere in between; and <pure-ftpd>, which features optionally chrooted home directories, virtual domains, ratios, etc. See also <vsftpd>. |
| 04:57.53 | Chunky_Ks | K1ng\: none of them. use scp |
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| 04:59.19 | Chunky_Ks | User_007: there might be an app-defaults to change it |
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| 04:59.34 | K1ng\ | Chunky_Ks, i need an ftp server |
| 04:59.47 | User_007 | app-defaults? |
| 04:59.58 | wols | K1ng\: you sure about that? one rarely does |
| 05:00.05 | Chunky_Ks | personally I recommend vsftp then. But dpkg has thw lowdown [above] |
| 05:00.26 | Chunky_Ks | User_007: it's an X thing |
| 05:00.26 | K1ng\ | yes |
| 05:00.29 | K1ng\ | how about Pure-FTPd ? |
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| 05:01.08 | Chunky_Ks | K1ng\: you've been offered four choices, pick the one that works best for you |
| 05:01.20 | Chunky_Ks | [don't pick wu-ftpd though, its security history is beyond shameful] |
| 05:03.12 | User_007 | Chunky_Ks, can you help me finding it? |
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| 05:07.01 | pav5088 | Question : Most Asterisk GUI's seem to be CentOS based... I know there was DeStar years ago (no longer packaged) but is there anything else available? |
| 05:08.13 | Chunky_Ks | User_007: well, I'm not 100% sure you *can* change it, but if you can, I've given you enough information to start googling a little |
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| 05:09.56 | User_007 | i started, but if you know where is it around , it will help a lot |
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| 05:11.05 | ksnp | is it possible to change it without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 05:11.07 | ksnp | hi how can i find the kernel timer resolution on my machine ? |
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| 05:11.20 | User_007 | where are the X images on debian? the images that X uses deafultly |
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| 05:13.39 | simonrvn | ksnp: change without recompile, no; grep CONFIG_TZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:15.28 | wrench | I have an intel QuadCore processor in a Gigabyte mobo. Any idea whether I should get the i386 iso or the ia64 iso? |
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| 05:18.29 | wols | wrench: how much memory? |
| 05:18.33 | xuser | amd64 iso |
| 05:18.44 | wrench | wols: 8GB DDR2 |
| 05:18.50 | wols | wrench: and the IA64 iso is for itanium. you want the amd64 iso for your machine |
| 05:19.02 | wrench | wols: xuser gotcha. thanks! |
| 05:19.04 | wols | with 8GB, go 64bit. amd64 then |
| 05:19.13 | wrench | deal! |
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| 05:23.25 | tensorpudding | If you are ever in doubt about choosing amd64 or ia64, you almost certainly want the former. |
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| 05:26.40 | MeglaW | morrn |
| 05:26.50 | c2d2 | yes it is. |
| 05:27.48 | c2d2 | my flash is wonky. I currently have flashplugin-nonfree installed. |
| 05:28.30 | c2d2 | I had previously attempted to setup for developing with flash. Current result is flash sorta works. |
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| 05:29.11 | Chunky_Ks | don't adobe have a whole flex-flash-everything package for linux, based on eclipse? |
| 05:29.53 | Chunky_Ks | probably a better bet than the openly-hostile-to-flash "flash-nonfree" package |
| 05:30.14 | c2d2 | Chunky_Ks: yeah that flex-flash crap is what messed it all up. |
| 05:30.46 | c2d2 | I haven't a clue how to properly expunge or purge it. |
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| 05:41.54 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 05:42.36 | jalalsfs | Is there in debian the same as this in Fedora http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php?title=Main_Page#yum-presto |
| 05:44.02 | dbbolton | if i understand the point, apt does that automatically |
| 05:44.14 | dbbolton | using .diff files to track updates |
| 05:44.30 | jalalsfs | Yes |
| 05:44.42 | jalalsfs | different |
| 05:45.13 | jalalsfs | But that's in download the packages. |
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| 05:49.20 | dbbolton | what exactly do you want to accomplish? |
| 05:49.54 | will | debian doesn't use rpms |
| 05:50.07 | jalalsfs | I know |
| 05:50.27 | will | so what's the goal of this request? |
| 05:50.41 | jalalsfs | But I have got slow Internet |
| 05:51.15 | jalalsfs | So I can't download all update packages. |
| 05:51.21 | will | because you're in 56k or your isp sucks? |
| 05:51.25 | jalalsfs | That's big |
| 05:51.33 | jalalsfs | less than. |
| 05:52.17 | will | I may take time for once |
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| 05:52.40 | will | but regular update doesn't take as much time |
| 05:53.19 | jalalsfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.29 | wols | jalalsfs: debian has no delta updates |
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| 05:53.37 | will | and each new released iso includes updates |
| 05:54.00 | dbbolton | jalalsfs: usually the pdiff files are only a couple kilobytes each |
| 05:54.03 | jalalsfs | Just security updates? |
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| 05:54.37 | wols | dbbolton: pdiff files are metadata, not package data |
| 05:54.54 | wols | jalalsfs: how many PCs do you want to use debian on? |
| 05:55.21 | jalalsfs | Only Two PCs |
| 05:55.27 | wols | jalalsfs: usually, a debian netinst CD and apt-cacher or apt-proxy are the best way to minimize bandwith usage |
| 05:55.34 | dbbolton | wols and the package data isn't downloaded unless it is necessary |
| 05:55.45 | wols | so you download the package only once and install it on both PCs |
| 05:56.08 | wols | dbbolton: it's not what he asked. he asked about delta updates. debian doesn't have those |
| 05:56.37 | jalalsfs | I downloaded DVD debian testing |
| 05:56.43 | dbbolton | lol |
| 05:56.46 | jalalsfs | But not same MD5sum. |
| 05:56.53 | wols | jalalsfs: and you shouldn't have done that as you now see |
| 05:56.58 | jalalsfs | I'm so sad. |
| 05:57.05 | jnss | any easy way to disable rpcbind on 111? |
| 05:57.08 | dbbolton | you want to save bandwidth so you download a DVD image? |
| 05:57.18 | jnss | jalalsfs, aww |
| 05:57.20 | wols | jnss: don't start it? uninstall the package? |
| 05:57.39 | jnss | this is a base install and i have no idea where the package comes from |
| 05:57.40 | jalalsfs | I don't understand. |
| 05:57.51 | jnss | just installled the thing |
| 05:58.01 | wols | jnss: you wasted a lot of bandwith by getting the DVD |
| 05:58.04 | jnss | what do we use to stop services |
| 05:58.12 | dbbolton | DVD iso = big |
| 05:58.14 | jalalsfs | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 05:58.30 | dbbolton | jalalsfs: use the netinst like wols suggested next time |
| 05:58.31 | jnss | why download the dvd for weekly builds |
| 05:58.37 | jnss | it changes every 7 days |
| 05:58.40 | wols | jalalsfs: first error was to get the testing iso, 2nd error was to get the dvd instead of netinst |
| 05:58.41 | jnss | four times a month |
| 05:58.41 | jalalsfs | What can I do to correct the file? |
| 05:58.46 | dbbolton | install lenny and dist-upgrade |
| 05:58.49 | jnss | you cant do anything |
| 05:58.51 | wols | jalalsfs: nothing |
| 05:59.02 | jalalsfs | I want newest packages. |
| 05:59.21 | dbbolton | jalalsfs: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 05:59.22 | jalalsfs | Oh, My God. |
| 05:59.44 | wols | jalalsfs: you don't know enough about debian to run testing. testing will break. often |
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| 06:00.25 | jnss | what edits services |
| 06:00.27 | dbbolton | wols: i have been using squeeze for nearly a year without any serious breakages |
| 06:00.35 | jalalsfs | Yes, I am use fedora |
| 06:00.39 | jnss | i should have gone with centos, something i know |
| 06:00.44 | wols | !testing |
| 06:00.44 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 06:01.18 | jnss | !services |
| 06:01.18 | dpkg | well, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 06:01.18 | wols | jnss: what program/binary is listening on port 111? |
| 06:01.25 | jnss | rpcbind i bet |
| 06:01.37 | Chunky_Ks | grep 111 /etc/services |
| 06:01.43 | wols | don't bet. check. but if you have checked you then know how to stop it |
| 06:01.57 | wols | Chunky_Ks: and what does this tell you about what binary is listening? |
| 06:02.28 | jnss | 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000) |
| 06:02.38 | Chunky_Ks | oh, that's true. I read it as what binary would listen, or something |
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| 06:02.42 | wols | jnss: so now you can stop or even uninstall it |
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| 06:04.49 | jnss | no i dont think i can stop it |
| 06:04.57 | jnss | wait |
| 06:04.59 | jnss | i can |
| 06:05.15 | jnss | 111/tcp closed rpcbind |
| 06:05.21 | jnss | it was portmap ;) |
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| 06:39.42 | cretsiah | in the file "networks" in /etc if i change the default (currently set to 0.0.0.0) to the local address of the machine should it then use the resolv.conf file to ge t all the nessary information? current entries in the "networks" file are 1) default 2)loopback 3)link-local |
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| 06:42.05 | Vasistha | cretsiah: I don't know but 'man networks' may be helpful |
| 06:42.23 | cretsiah | k thanks |
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| 06:48.42 | haze_ | hello.. |
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| 06:49.54 | haze_ | I ve got debian sqeeze installed in my lap and now the GUI is not working..someone pls help me to sort out this problem... |
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| 06:50.12 | wols | !tell haze_ about doesn't work |
| 06:50.40 | haze_ | wot.? |
| 06:51.05 | Skeptic | i use debian testing and i have a problem with flash, it seems that when i click on a flash button, it's not really there, it's somewhere else and i have to click all over the place to find it |
| 06:51.43 | haze_ | anyone there to help me.?? |
| 06:51.55 | wols | haze_: read what dpkg told you |
| 06:52.22 | wols | Skeptic: what "flash button"? |
| 06:52.24 | Vasistha | Skeptic: are you using adobe flash or gnash? |
| 06:52.25 | haze_ | dpkg.? |
| 06:52.29 | Skeptic | adobe flash |
| 06:52.43 | Skeptic | wols, say the pause button on youtube |
| 06:52.56 | Skeptic | something like that |
| 06:53.22 | wols | haze_: you got a private message. read it |
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| 06:55.14 | wols | haze_: and I'd suggest you boot back into debian, install irssi and do a "connect irc.freenode.net" and "/join debian" |
| 06:55.17 | Skeptic | i found this bug in ubuntu |
| 06:55.20 | wols | much easier to troubleshoot then |
| 06:55.24 | Skeptic | launchpad |
| 06:55.32 | Skeptic | so it's there too |
| 06:56.05 | wols | haze_: "/connect irc.freenode.net" and "/join debian" |
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| 07:01.17 | ayam | btw..im using squeeze |
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| 07:05.48 | haze_1 | hello.meise |
| 07:06.37 | haze_1 | hello.. |
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| 07:06.46 | haze_1 | someone ther to help me..??? |
| 07:07.05 | natanaiel | when I want to install or remove package I have this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) |
| 07:07.23 | natanaiel | I can't do anything! |
| 07:08.42 | streuner__ | natanaiel: sid? |
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| 07:08.50 | ehnvis | haze_1: dont ask for help, just ask the question and wait. |
| 07:09.08 | haze_1 | Ive got a lap which has been running in debian squeeze for the last 2 weeks,now wat happened is tht when i switch on it goes directly to command mode and asks for a username and password.After tht it wont switch to GUI(graphical user interface),now pls dont ask me to type startx which i typed some hundred times...pls help me to sort out this problem... |
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| 07:09.36 | natanaiel | streuner__: lenny |
| 07:09.55 | streuner__ | interesting :-) |
| 07:09.58 | ehnvis | haze_1: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log as we need to know whats going wrong. |
| 07:10.14 | ehnvis | haze_1: dont paste it here in the channel just the link to it. |
| 07:10.15 | haze_1 | pastebin.? |
| 07:10.19 | streuner__ | natanaiel: pastebin more details about, just the command you are using and the *whole* output |
| 07:10.34 | streuner__ | !pastebin |
| 07:10.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 07:10.51 | Skeptic | i've found a workaround for the flash problem |
| 07:11.09 | Skeptic | rightclick and after that left click |
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| 07:11.22 | Skeptic | while keeping the rightclick pressed |
| 07:11.32 | haze_1 | ehnvis.? |
| 07:11.39 | streuner__ | natanaiel: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 07:12.01 | ehnvis | haze_1: read what dpkg said. |
| 07:12.26 | natanaiel | streuner__: -bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: Permission denied |
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| 07:12.51 | haze_1 | i cant understand wat he says.. |
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| 07:13.09 | streuner__ | natanaiel: sure, just use it as root |
| 07:13.30 | natanaiel | streuner__: but I used it as root! |
| 07:13.32 | ehnvis | haze_1: what it means is that copy the log and paste it to one of those sites. this will give you a link which you then give us. |
| 07:13.48 | Vasistha | haze_1: go to http://paste.debian.net and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and give us the link |
| 07:14.11 | haze_1 | okey.. |
| 07:14.22 | streuner__ | natanaiel: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:14.52 | Vasistha | natanaiel: what does 'ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg' give you |
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| 07:16.23 | natanaiel | ow! fixed! dpkg didn't have any permission! |
| 07:16.33 | streuner__ | strange |
| 07:16.33 | wols | haze_1: boot your debian, install irssi, and come here with irssi instead of your windows OS. then it's much easier to troubleshoot your problem |
| 07:16.48 | streuner__ | natanaiel: how come? |
| 07:17.05 | natanaiel | streuner__: it's mod was 000 ! |
| 07:17.19 | streuner__ | natanaiel: or in other words, what do you think caused this? |
| 07:18.04 | natanaiel | streuner__: I don't know who change the persmisson but I changed it & it fixed |
| 07:18.30 | haze_1 | i cant type tht in lap.. |
| 07:18.38 | haze_1 | it says permisiion denied.. |
| 07:18.59 | Vasistha | natanaiel: who else has administrative access to the computer? And ... back to the previous question, what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' tell you? |
| 07:19.21 | wols | haze_1: you cannot type WHAT? |
| 07:19.42 | streuner__ | dpkg changed lately in sid |
| 07:19.42 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, streuner__ |
| 07:19.44 | haze_1 | i cant type /var/ |
| 07:19.48 | haze_1 | ... |
| 07:19.58 | wols | haze_1: no one told you to do that |
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| 07:20.01 | natanaiel | Vasistha: one of my friends, ii libc6 2.7-18lenny2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:20.21 | wols | haze_1: you need to install debian stable |
| 07:20.44 | haze_1 | so u saying tht i cant recover from this problem.? |
| 07:21.00 | natanaiel | btw my problem solved |
| 07:21.11 | wols | I say you don't know enough to recover. you install stable and learn how debian and linux work, then you have a much better chance of solving a problem like this |
| 07:21.11 | natanaiel | tnx |
| 07:21.47 | haze_1 | i alreadu know linux..now pls help me wid some commands.. |
| 07:22.09 | haze_1 | u understood wat my problem is.? |
| 07:22.13 | wols | if you knew linux, we wouldn't have to explictly tell you "some commands" |
| 07:22.17 | wols | !u |
| 07:22.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:22.38 | streuner__ | natanaiel: the basic problem isnt solved |
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| 07:22.54 | wols | streuner__: the basic problem is, the underlying one isn't :) |
| 07:22.56 | ehnvis | haze_1: yeah we got your problem, X wont start for you. Thats why we need to see the logfile. |
| 07:23.10 | streuner__ | the basic problem is WHO or WHAT changed the permission of a basic command on your Debian System |
| 07:23.14 | haze_1 | how can i get the log file.? |
| 07:23.16 | natanaiel | streuner__: hmm! which problem? |
| 07:23.42 | wols | natanaiel: perms for dpkg don't change in thin air. and the fact they changed is a cause for concern. so find out who or what did this |
| 07:24.12 | ehnvis | haze_1: you said you knew linux you should know how to just as wols said. cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log will print it for you. now figure out how to get it to pastebin. |
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| 07:24.55 | shashi859 | #flood |
| 07:25.11 | Vasistha | haze_1: *nothing* you have said thus far indicates proficiency with linux... someone proficient with linux would have *started* by pastebinning the log -- that would have been the very first thing they did. We have been talking to you for almost 20 minutes and had almost 30 interactions, and you still have not done this very basic thing. |
| 07:25.28 | haze_1 | yeah i typed tht.. |
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| 07:26.11 | haze_1 | now i can c many like this(* *)and (I I) |
| 07:26.46 | ehnvis | gives up and goes back to his coffee... |
| 07:26.51 | Vasistha | haze_1: ...and that is why I also think that you definitely should not be running squeeze. Every week something different is going to break. You will never get to use your computer... you will always be repairing this or that. It's not worth it. |
| 07:30.01 | haze_1 | how can i get u the log file..?? |
| 07:30.12 | haze_1 | yea now i got a log file.. |
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| 07:30.34 | wols | !tell haze_1 about paste |
| 07:30.44 | haze_1 | i am chatting wid u guys in ma pc and the problem is wid ma lap.. |
| 07:31.19 | haze_1 | wat should i paste in tht site..?? |
| 07:31.21 | wols | and I told you 3 times already how to use your laptop to connect to #debian |
| 07:31.39 | ehnvis | haze_1: paste the logfile! |
| 07:32.02 | haze_1 | how? |
| 07:32.13 | haze_1 | how to paste the log file.? |
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| 07:32.26 | haze_1 | sorry din understand. |
| 07:32.31 | wols | haze_1: dpkg told you |
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| 07:32.49 | wols | haze_1: if we have to explain how to use the web to you, you're really really wrong here |
| 07:32.53 | ehnvis | haze_1: install pastebinit and use it to paste the logfile to a site. this will give you a link back to you. |
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| 07:35.07 | haze_1 | okey..now i took a new tab in ma pc(pastebin) and i shud type all lines from my lap to pc.? |
| 07:35.22 | haze_1 | that will be a difficult task huh.? |
| 07:35.42 | ehnvis | haze_1: we didnt tell you that. |
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| 07:36.03 | Vasistha | KABOOM! aspell doesn't like the spelling, 'shud'. A few suggestions: HUD, sud, shad, shed, shod, shut, shun, thud, [...] |
| 07:36.07 | haze_1 | can u pls be legible.? |
| 07:36.10 | ehnvis | install pastebinit on your laptop where you run debian. then use this command line tool to paste your log. |
| 07:36.20 | wols | Vasistha: shush! he's a COOL kid! |
| 07:36.36 | cahoot | can u pls be legible.? |
| 07:36.49 | wols | haze_1: the only illegible one here is you. no one eles |
| 07:37.03 | wols | haze_1: except for you, we can write proper english (well.... more or less) |
| 07:37.23 | wols | Vasistha: spell checking IRC? wow.... |
| 07:37.24 | Vasistha | wols: I think it was ... microsoft maybe, had a section of the web site dedicated to leetspeak, and it was described as something young kids do for fun |
| 07:37.56 | haze_1 | wols...u yeasing me.? |
| 07:38.01 | haze_1 | i am teasing me.? |
| 07:38.06 | wols | !u |
| 07:38.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:38.08 | Vasistha | wols: http://david9.freepgs.com/bash/Aspellkonvi |
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| 07:38.34 | Vasistha | haze_1: not teasing... criticizing. |
| 07:38.43 | haze_1 | okey.. |
| 07:38.52 | haze_1 | i am new to this field thts y.. |
| 07:39.08 | haze_1 | i ve been using ubuntu for the last 2 years.. |
| 07:39.09 | wols | haze_1: we know you're new to any form of computing. no need to tell us |
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| 07:39.38 | wols | says a prayer: please gods of ubuntu, take him back into your fold |
| 07:39.39 | Vasistha | haze_1: I have a feeling you are capable of spelling most english words, you just choose not to. And it is extremely annoying to most of us. |
| 07:39.44 | ayam | how to make [ok] in boot text color to green.. i follow on : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29431 but failed.. |
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| 07:46.16 | Vasistha | hey, look at that! |
| 07:46.17 | Vasistha | !shud |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 07:46.28 | Vasistha | that's much better than my little 'kaboom' |
| 07:46.46 | wols | :) |
| 07:47.23 | Vasistha | that little bot makes this place so nice. |
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| 07:48.46 | shylent | an idle question really, were there any efforts to bring something like ntfs-like (its not really about ntfs at all) access-lists to linux? and are any of those in widespread use? |
| 07:49.17 | shylent | for certain values of widespread obviously |
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| 07:50.11 | Vasistha | shylent: I think groups are probably the closest we'll get to that sort of functionality. I suppose there are some things that could be done with ACL that groups can't handle. |
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| 07:50.53 | shylent | Vasistha: yea, I suppose you are right |
| 07:50.57 | wols | !acl |
| 07:50.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 07:51.25 | wols | there are ACL implementations for linux, but not really in wide use |
| 07:52.10 | umarzuki | hi, i mounted my 320 GB western digital on my lenny and copied content from my /home partition to it and after awhile, i says the mounted directory is read-only |
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| 07:52.19 | umarzuki | whta could go wrong |
| 07:52.39 | xingu | wols: I believe that samba does the right thing with ext3 and xfs acl's; I'd not be surprised if the average NAS box for instance was using just that to keep things straight. |
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| 07:54.00 | xingu | wols: but that's a fairly specific vertical admittedly, and judging by the lack of questions from new admins here and elsewhere about get/setfacl I'd say you're bang on the money in general. ;) |
| 07:54.57 | shylent | well, yes, I suppose those are in widespread use because all the software that is written is expecting the usual users/groups/permissions |
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| 07:57.13 | amine | Hello, any one has a good howto on configuring Nagios in a network setup (a single machine monitoring several others)? |
| 07:57.15 | wols | umarzuki: read only while trying to copy? |
| 07:57.27 | Vasistha | umarzuki: if you type 'mount' without any parameters it should give you some information about it |
| 07:57.30 | umarzuki | wols: yes, even rsync |
| 07:57.37 | shylent | amine: www.nagios.org obviously |
| 07:57.52 | wols | umarzuki: that's now what I asked. is it suddenly going read only while written to? |
| 07:58.07 | shylent | amine: nagios is one of the most obvious and straightforward things to configure |
| 07:58.10 | shylent | I do love it |
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| 07:58.21 | umarzuki | wols: error message |
| 07:58.26 | umarzuki | wols: yes |
| 07:58.37 | umarzuki | it copies a few files then suddenly goes read-only |
| 07:58.50 | umarzuki | http://pastebin.com/TGzj8Zk1 |
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| 08:00.04 | Vasistha | umarzuki: a couple possibilities are occurring to me. 1. does the source you're copying have strange permissions? 2. is there a possibility the disk might be failing? |
| 08:01.26 | xingu | umarzuki: check in /var/log/kern.log for recent error messages regarding usb or /dev/sdb or filesystem warnings |
| 08:01.36 | umarzuki | hm..the - haven't tampered with the source folder and the destination is brand new |
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| 08:03.03 | umarzuki | xingu: seems like i/o failure, does this means that the new hard disk is failed? http://pastebin.com/pGds6JJW |
| 08:03.43 | umarzuki | i had to use ubuntu live cd since lenny can't detect my hd |
| 08:03.45 | liable | i'd say ext4 bug prolly |
| 08:03.51 | umarzuki | ah... |
| 08:03.56 | xingu | umarzuki: that looks like a backtrace, can you go back to the start of it? (the part that ends kernel_thread_helper) |
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| 08:05.04 | xingu | liable: or possibly just a usb/ehci barf, it might be one of these things where running as usb1.1 will work, albeit with the obvious haircut on bitrates. |
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| 08:05.54 | liable | xingu: yeah, its looks like some kind of kernel barf |
| 08:05.57 | xingu | someone remind me again why a packet transport is a good pick for a filesystem? |
| 08:06.32 | xingu | mutters something about coherency traffic and commit guarantees |
| 08:07.15 | wols | it's fucking CHEAP! it costs less money than the alternatives which makes it infinitely better |
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| 08:07.39 | xingu | laughs |
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| 08:08.04 | maligor | but sometimes you get an intact package, but the contents mushed |
| 08:08.09 | xingu | statistically multiplexes the backing store for wols payroll |
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| 08:08.32 | echosystm | im curious, does anyone know of any distros that keep packages pretty vanila like debian and arch do? |
| 08:08.42 | wols | please use small words. all I care about is: do I get money and how much? |
| 08:08.43 | m1ndgame | how can one kick a user from a shell? (not del or purge, just disconnect him) |
| 08:08.52 | echosystm | fedora? centos? etc? |
| 08:09.02 | wols | kill his shell or ssh daemon |
| 08:09.10 | echosystm | do they? or do they bastardise packages like ubuntu |
| 08:09.13 | umarzuki | xingu: http://pastebin.com/NHD4rci3 |
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| 08:10.06 | wols | echosystm: why do you think this is a debian related question? we do debian support, not answer questions about other distros |
| 08:10.13 | echosystm | ok |
| 08:10.25 | shylent | what does ubuntu do to their packages anyway? |
| 08:10.36 | shylent | besides packaging them |
| 08:10.40 | echosystm | a lot |
| 08:10.47 | wols | they sacrfice babies over them to bless them |
| 08:11.00 | shylent | sounds like a perfectly reasonable practice to me |
| 08:11.12 | echosystm | eg. they decided in this new release that window controls would be on the left and then raped gnome to make it happen |
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| 08:11.26 | wols | yes a lot better than those savage baby mulchers from openbsd. man's got to have a good religion, like ubuntu |
| 08:11.44 | echosystm | in my opinion, it is not the role of a distribution to make such decisions, it is the role of gnome |
| 08:11.56 | echosystm | their cowboy attitude annoys me |
| 08:12.40 | echosystm | but anyway, this is not the place for such a discussion :> |
| 08:13.02 | xingu | umarzuki: it looks to me like the disk is sata 3.0gbps sitting on ata3 channel and that either the controller or the disk barfs under sustained load |
| 08:13.29 | xingu | umarzuki: if that seems accurate to you then you might try rejumpering it as 1.5gbps sata and see if that makes any difference. |
| 08:13.38 | umarzuki | ok |
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| 08:14.10 | shylent | well, as long as you can easily revert the 'buttons on the left' thing, I think it is perfectly ok |
| 08:14.50 | echosystm | it's a philosophical thing shylent |
| 08:15.19 | echosystm | ridiculousness like this introduces unnecessary bugs and just degrades the quality of linux in general |
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| 08:15.33 | echosystm | linux is already fragmented enough, the last thing we need is this kind of nonsense |
| 08:15.37 | shylent | I think you are making a big deal out of it. Perhaps too big |
| 08:15.44 | echosystm | of course i am :P |
| 08:16.02 | shylent | f.ex. ubuntu 9.10 (i think) had ext4 for a default filesystem |
| 08:16.04 | shylent | now that is big |
| 08:16.15 | shylent | buttons in an unexpected place, - not so much |
| 08:16.43 | cafaro | How can you check your X version? |
| 08:16.59 | cafaro | (in single-user mode) |
| 08:17.00 | echosystm | im curious, howcome commercial software never supports debian? |
| 08:17.08 | echosystm | oracle, vmware etc. |
| 08:17.18 | echosystm | they always say they support ubuntu, redhat, even centos |
| 08:17.22 | echosystm | but never debian |
| 08:17.38 | shylent | well if they support ubuntu, you can most certainly use their stuff on debian |
| 08:17.52 | shylent | red hate derivatives, on the other hand.. |
| 08:17.56 | shylent | red hat * |
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| 08:17.58 | shylent | :P |
| 08:18.06 | echosystm | i know, but in the corporate world, bosses want to have someoen to ring when things go pear shaped |
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| 08:19.53 | echosystm | also, the debian support cycle seems to be getting shorter and shorter |
| 08:19.59 | echosystm | we're down to ~2 years or so now |
| 08:20.03 | echosystm | isnt that bad? |
| 08:20.08 | xingu | echosystm: at a guess, because some customer makes it commercially interesting to do so |
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| 08:23.06 | maligor | probably because debian doesn't have corporate dictatorship behind it |
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| 08:24.08 | xingu | I blame those conniving underpants gnomes myself |
| 08:25.57 | echosystm | shouldnt debians support cycle be much longer though? |
| 08:26.23 | echosystm | ~2 years doesnt seem long enough for most businesses |
| 08:26.40 | wols | echosystm: will you provide the manpower? |
| 08:26.47 | cafaro | How can you check your X version through a terminal? |
| 08:26.57 | echosystm | yes wols, i will do it all on my own :P |
| 08:27.15 | cahoot | X -version |
| 08:27.40 | cafaro | thanks |
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| 08:39.14 | cafaro | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade X with debian stable, so it's compatible with my ati driver, anyone could help me with this? |
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| 08:42.56 | frostschutz | cafaro: which version of xorg are you using? |
| 08:43.40 | cafaro | frostschutz: 1.4.2 |
| 08:43.57 | frostschutz | O_O |
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| 08:44.42 | wols | cafaro: what debian do you currently run? |
| 08:44.52 | cafaro | wols: 5.0.4 |
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| 08:45.12 | wols | cafaro: that's not true when your X is 1.4.2 |
| 08:45.30 | frostschutz | doesn't lenny already use 1.7 or something? |
| 08:45.36 | wols | it does. |
| 08:45.42 | wols | ,versions xorg |
| 08:45.43 | judd | xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+5; squeeze: 1:7.5+5 |
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| 08:45.54 | cafaro | X versions are weird, 1.4.2 = R7.3? |
| 08:46.16 | wols | no. lenny runs X 1.7.3 |
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| 08:46.31 | cafaro | X117.3 |
| 08:46.49 | cafaro | X -version says 1.4.2 |
| 08:46.50 | wols | which is why X -version isn't a good way to check X versions |
| 08:47.07 | wols | so what are your problems? |
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| 08:47.29 | Pavlz | hello |
| 08:47.34 | Pavlz | i got a query for you |
| 08:47.47 | cafaro | I'm trying to get fglrx working, but it won't, not with this X version, and I don't want to upgrade everything to unstable |
| 08:47.53 | frostschutz | if it's 1.4.2 the problem would be that the ati driver needs 1.6 (newer betas 1.7) |
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| 08:48.18 | Pavlz | on my laptop i got ubuntu, and on external hdd of 2 gb i want to install the netinst of Deb-Ian |
| 08:48.26 | wols | cafaro: are you getting your fglrx from ait.com? |
| 08:48.33 | cafaro | wols: yes |
| 08:48.47 | Pavlz | how can i dow without overwrite the hdd of my laptop ? |
| 08:48.50 | wols | cafaro: we do not support ati.com drivers. please go to #ati. we only support the fglrx debian packages |
| 08:49.08 | cafaro | wols: it's a debian question, all i'm asking is how to upgrade X |
| 08:49.15 | wols | Pavlz: simply choose the right partition to install to. and be careful how you install the bootloader |
| 08:49.47 | wols | cafaro: you cannot upgrade X unless you upgrade to squeeze or sid |
| 08:49.48 | Pavlz | i just made the partition for the external hdd |
| 08:50.06 | cafaro | hmm ok, thanks |
| 08:50.08 | Pavlz | i need only to mount the netinstall |
| 08:50.43 | wols | cafaro: what's your ati videocard? which model? |
| 08:50.56 | Pavlz | it is necessary reboot the laptop ? |
| 08:51.07 | cafaro | wols: HD3650 |
| 08:51.10 | wols | Pavlz: necessary for what? |
| 08:51.32 | Pavlz | to mount Deb-Ian on the external hdd |
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| 08:51.36 | wols | cafaro: debian provided fglrx supports your card just fine. no need for ati.com drivers |
| 08:51.51 | shylent | deb-ian? is that a pun of some sort? |
| 08:51.56 | wols | Pavlz: you don't need to reboot to mount anything... |
| 08:52.14 | cafaro | wols: guys in #ati told me the info on ati support site was false, and it wouldn't work with debian stable's X version |
| 08:52.15 | Pavlz | ok, how to ? |
| 08:52.22 | Pavlz | i never made it |
| 08:52.33 | Pavlz | on an external hdd |
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| 08:52.46 | wols | cafaro: we do not support the drivers from ati.com, we do support the fglrx package in debian non-free. and those are fine for your videocard |
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| 08:52.54 | wols | !tell cafaro about fglrx |
| 08:52.56 | lilib | hi |
| 08:53.10 | wols | Pavlz: how to mount a parttion while running ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 08:53.14 | lilib | what is the most straigh way how to back up whole system? |
| 08:53.24 | lilib | i need use hdd i am running debian on |
| 08:53.25 | lilib | :-( |
| 08:53.40 | Pavlz | ok thanks |
| 08:55.24 | wols | lilib: dd ? however be careful if your main bootloader is on that debian hdd |
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| 08:57.31 | lilib | yes |
| 08:57.48 | lilib | but does dd realtime wipe free unused disk space? |
| 08:58.03 | wols | no. what do you mean wipe? |
| 08:58.06 | shylent | it does a block level copy, usually |
| 08:58.08 | lilib | my system files get 10% of whole hdd space |
| 08:58.11 | wols | you asked about a backup, not wiping |
| 08:58.13 | shylent | at least thats how people use it :P |
| 08:58.14 | lilib | simply hdd is 250GB big |
| 08:58.35 | lilib | and i have got 100GB free space on back up hdd |
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| 08:59.03 | lilib | i goes does dd backup hdd on physical layer |
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| 08:59.19 | lilib | goes = guess |
| 08:59.32 | wols | lilib: apt-cache search backup |
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| 09:00.01 | lilib | simply i do not want backup "free space" on source drive |
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| 09:02.18 | frostschutz | lilib: partimage |
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| 09:08.39 | maxxle | Hi there! I've tried to open my encrypted device. It tells me: cryptsetup: pbkdf.c:55: PBKDF2_HMAC_SHA1: Assertion `iterations != 0' failed. Any idea? |
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| 09:47.50 | kripz | Im calling cp from within another program, is there a way i can fork cp so it doesnt hang the parent app? |
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| 09:49.49 | kgoetz | cp foo bar & |
| 09:49.50 | kgoetz | ? |
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| 09:51.12 | haze_ | how can i reinstall x in ma pc..now i am using windows |
| 09:51.28 | shylent | do you really need X under windows? :P |
| 09:51.32 | haze_ | my pc runs in debian sqeeze |
| 09:51.52 | themill | kripz: depends on what this "another program" is written in. This is language-dependent. |
| 09:51.59 | haze_ | and now i chatting in ma friends pc(windows)thats wat i meant |
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| 09:53.30 | iruediger | does anyone knows when iceweasel 3.6 will be in testing repos? |
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| 09:55.31 | Bushmills | probably, when it is considered fit for inclusion into testing |
| 09:56.03 | wols | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:56.04 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.9-2; sid: 3.5.9-3; experimental: 3.6.3-1 |
| 09:56.04 | K1ng\ | hey |
| 09:56.12 | K1ng\ | i have installed Tcl |
| 09:56.13 | wols | it's not even in sid yet... |
| 09:56.36 | K1ng\ | but ./configure says Tcl cannot be found on this system. |
| 09:57.42 | cahoot | missing -dev? |
| 09:59.30 | K1ng\ | got it. thanks |
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| 10:01.52 | iruediger | wols, I saw that, it is been on experimental for about 1 month :/ |
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| 10:03.53 | iruediger | but some packages jump very fast from unstable to testing, not sure if that will be the case. |
| 10:04.09 | iruediger | guess I'll have to wait some more :) |
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| 10:07.19 | haze_ | when i start my pc it directly goes to cmd mode and when i typed in /etc/init.d/gdm start it shows"could not start x server due to some internal error..pls contact yo sys.admin" |
| 10:08.08 | haze_ | wat to do.??any idea. |
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| 10:11.56 | eshat | Hi all, how can I arrange my rows with awk, so that they are lined up under each other |
| 10:12.27 | eshat | I want to list the load values of some servers, but depending on the server name the table is not lined up |
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| 10:12.53 | haze_ | when i start my pc it directly goes to cmd mode and when i typed in /etc/init.d/gdm start it shows"could not start x server due to some internal error..pls contact yo sys.admin" |
| 10:13.14 | eshat | I tried using tabs "\t" but still some values jump to the wrong row |
| 10:13.16 | K1ng\ | locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 10:13.19 | K1ng\ | how to fix it? |
| 10:13.27 | frostschutz | eshat: printf? |
| 10:13.37 | Bop | K1ng\, touch /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db |
| 10:13.59 | eshat | frostschutz: you mean awk '{printf ... instead of print ? |
| 10:14.07 | K1ng\ | locate: unexpected EOF reading `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' |
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| 10:14.22 | themill | eshat: you can give awk's printf format strings |
| 10:14.35 | cahoot | K1ng\: run updatedb? |
| 10:14.58 | eshat | themill: at the moment I have: awk '{print $1,$12,$13,$14}' |
| 10:15.04 | frostschutz | eshat: awk '{ printf "%20-s%s", "hi", "there"; }' |
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| 10:16.12 | frostschutz | eshat: prints hi there but makes the hi field 20 chars wide... so as long as the names won't be longer than 20 chars it'll be lined up |
| 10:16.23 | Pinchiukas | Can I somehow see in logfiles, when the disk goes into a power saving mode? |
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| 10:17.24 | eshat | frostschutz: nice, but I don't have a new line after my 4 values ? |
| 10:17.37 | themill | eshat: add \n to the format string |
| 10:19.01 | eshat | themill: YES, that's it: awk '{printf "%10-s%s %s %s\n",$1,$12,$13,$14} |
| 10:19.10 | eshat | Thank you themill and frostschutz |
| 10:19.23 | themill | eshat: googling "awk printf" gives plenty of good documentation for future reference. |
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| 10:20.01 | frostschutz | eshat: actually you should add a space before the 2nd %s too, so if something is 10 chars or longer it'll at least still have a space in between |
| 10:20.15 | cretsiah | hi ppls, if my local network is 192.168.1.x then my broadcast is 192.168.1.0 is that right? |
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| 10:21.06 | eshat | frostschutz: did, just before you told me,... Danke ;) |
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| 10:26.26 | shylent | no, not really |
| 10:26.45 | shylent | 'network address' (kind of) is 192.168.1.0, broadcast is 192.168.1.255 |
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| 10:32.25 | reklipz | shylent: what is the base address used for again? I can't remember |
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| 10:33.06 | shylent | what do you mean, 'base address' ? |
| 10:34.59 | reklipz | 192.168.1.0, what's it's purpose? |
| 10:35.56 | shylent | I don't really understand either (to be perfectly honest :P), because interface address + netmask should be enough to generate the routing table |
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| 10:38.29 | l403 | reklipz, thats the 'network address' - address to the network |
| 10:39.16 | shylent | l403: but you can easily derive the 'network address' from the interface address and netmask (192.168.1.10/255.255.255.0 gives you the network address of 192.168.1.0) |
| 10:39.21 | shylent | what's the point then? |
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| 10:40.41 | Pinchiukas | shylent: I don't think you need to specify it - it gets worked out. |
| 10:41.23 | reklipz | Pinchiukas: but the question is, why reserve the network address if there's no point in doing such... |
| 10:41.55 | l403 | you dont need to specify it. you just have to know that you cant assign it to a node within the network |
| 10:42.10 | reklipz | why can't it be assigned to a node is the question |
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| 10:42.31 | shylent | ahh, it says 'required for 2.0.x kernels' :P I suppose, that means that you dont actually need it after all |
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| 10:43.15 | Pinchiukas | reklipz: no idea to be honest. :) |
| 10:43.16 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 10:43.41 | reklipz | i'm sure it's in an RFC somewhere... |
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| 10:44.05 | bjoernb | hello. |
| 10:44.26 | Nebukadneza | i'm having some problems with a new and "clean" debian installation (with desktop installed, aka gnome and everything up and running) with getting the suspend button of a acer 1810T ("1410") to work... i've tail -f'ed everything important in /var/log, killed gnome-power-manager and started it with --verbose, also stopped acpid and started it with acpid -f -d |
| 10:44.51 | Nebukadneza | however when i press the suspend button my screen gets black and none of the software seems to notice... |
| 10:45.03 | bjoernb | why is the application behind iceweasel still named firefox-bin? when firefox hangs, because of some flash stuff, i have to kill firefox-bin and not iceweasel. |
| 10:45.24 | Nebukadneza | any ideas where i could investigate? |
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| 10:46.24 | bjoernb | Nebukadneza: did it ever work? |
| 10:46.38 | Nebukadneza | bjoernb: actually yes, on first boot it did - one time Oo |
| 10:46.44 | Nebukadneza | which is strange |
| 10:46.57 | Nebukadneza | cause i didn't change anything (except for installing firefox and emacs Oo) since then |
| 10:47.45 | Pavlz | i used at the end gparted and now i got the hdd with 996 mb for GNU/linux and more than 1 gb for the swap |
| 10:48.20 | Nebukadneza | bjoernb: i have no problem with debugging that stuff ... but somehow i don't know where to start - cause nothing gives me a pointer |
| 10:48.28 | Nebukadneza | running pm-suspend manually works like a charm Oo |
| 10:48.35 | Pavlz | now i must only to install the minimal distribution which is the netinst |
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| 10:48.59 | Pavlz | ho to install the netinst on a external hdd ? |
| 10:49.42 | Nebukadneza | Pavlz: normally netinst should ship usb-storage modules - so it should "just work"(TM) |
| 10:50.02 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: have you tried blacklisting acer-wmi ? |
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| 10:50.31 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: assuming you have a relatively new kernel |
| 10:50.35 | Pavlz | infact i am installing on an external hdd 2,5 inches, 2,2 gb and is a normal 5400 rpm/s ide |
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| 10:50.46 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: i have a relatively new kernel, i've tried with acer_wmi modprobed and rmmoddet... |
| 10:50.58 | Pavlz | i have not on the laptop |
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| 10:51.20 | Nebukadneza | Pavlz: pardon? i didn't get that, sorry |
| 10:51.28 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: to my knowledge it only relieves when blacklisted |
| 10:51.38 | Nebukadneza | ah, kay, trying tha |
| 10:51.39 | Nebukadneza | t |
| 10:51.42 | Pavlz | :-( |
| 10:51.53 | Nebukadneza | what exactly does the blacklist entry do then? |
| 10:51.57 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: Or you can try to rool your own kernel preferably 2.6.33 latest stable |
| 10:52.00 | Nebukadneza | i thought it simply controls automatic kernel modprobing |
| 10:52.16 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: i'm currently trying with 2.6.34-rc6 Oo as the stock kernel and 2.6.33.3 had the same problem |
| 10:52.42 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: ok, then try blacklisting the module, rmmodding is not an option |
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| 10:53.16 | l403 | bjoernb, I think it is because it is firefox in fact but with some code changes to comply with the debian licence |
| 10:53.24 | Nebukadneza | as i don't really understand what blacklisting does ... do i have to restart x, reboot or something like that? |
| 10:53.46 | dutchfish | !tell Nebukadneza about blacklist |
| 10:54.18 | Nebukadneza | dpkg couldn't answer my question :P |
| 10:54.18 | dpkg | Nebukadneza: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 10:54.46 | l403 | Nebukadneza, prevnts a module from being loaded |
| 10:54.55 | Nebukadneza | l403: i know that - but how/where? |
| 10:55.04 | dutchfish | !tell Nebukadneza about To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 10:55.14 | Nebukadneza | only automatic kernel module loading (when the kernel itself decides to) or modprobe, or both? |
| 10:55.35 | dutchfish | !tell Nebukadneza installer blacklist |
| 10:56.00 | Nebukadneza | mhmm, dpkg doesn't seem to know those keywords ;/ |
| 10:56.15 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: apprently the factoid has gone |
| 10:56.18 | l403 | Nebukadneza, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 10:56.43 | dutchfish | l403: thanks |
| 10:56.50 | Nebukadneza | l403: i know that :P |
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| 10:57.35 | umarzuki | xingu: thanks, like you said, i set the jumper to slow the hard disk's speed and it works |
| 10:57.39 | bjoernb | l403: well, at least uncomfortable, when it comes to killing that process. |
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| 10:57.53 | themill | dutchfish: missing "about". |
| 10:58.01 | Nebukadneza | mhmmm |
| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | !tell Nebukadneza about installer blacklist |
| 10:58.40 | xingu | umarzuki: awesome, glad to help; there may well be a kernel patch for your ide controller, it should be possible in the end to run it at full rate one day |
| 10:58.45 | dutchfish | themill: thanks |
| 10:58.52 | themill | :) |
| 10:59.18 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: kay, telling works now :P |
| 10:59.23 | Nebukadneza | trying |
| 10:59.35 | Pavlz | if i reboot the pc the laptop can choose on which hdd must to install ? |
| 10:59.39 | umarzuki | hi, i'm using squeeze and i cannot compile wl driver since it could not find its makefile |
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| 11:00.40 | umarzuki | http://pastebin.com/jZyKkKyG |
| 11:00.54 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: didn't work - module is blacklisted, didn't get loaded on boot, still doesnt work ;/ |
| 11:01.17 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: another thing is that some bios versions of that acer mess up the process too, you can check that by disbaling in kline nolapic |
| 11:01.47 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: do you have the latest bios? |
| 11:01.52 | Nebukadneza | yes |
| 11:01.56 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:02.06 | Nebukadneza | nonetheless the kernel reports a broken bios in regards to DMAR zero address |
| 11:02.59 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: there is a kernel option to alter MTTR behavior you can try that too, i ond't know if the newer debian kernels have that on by default |
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| 11:03.09 | umarzuki | is this because i'm using kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64? |
| 11:03.31 | umarzuki | i culd not find kernel-headers for this kernel version |
| 11:03.37 | bjoernb | Nebukadneza: KCI error means that the problem is sitting between keyboard and chair. |
| 11:04.05 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: the CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER* ones |
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| 11:04.24 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: ah, kay, then i'll be looking into that one and nolapic/noacpi |
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| 11:04.48 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: my best bet (on broken bioses) is CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER* |
| 11:05.11 | Nebukadneza | won't disabeling the local APIC interrupt controller have any negative influences on power usage/etc.? |
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| 11:05.30 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: sure, its just to test if this is causing the issue |
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| 11:06.28 | Nebukadneza | the MTRR sanitizer is on "y", CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=0, CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT=1 ... |
| 11:06.33 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: you also might want to delve into the kernel mailing list or the git about that module |
| 11:06.34 | Nebukadneza | so, should kindof work, no? |
| 11:07.07 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=1 |
| 11:07.30 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: i would try that one |
| 11:07.30 | Nebukadneza | mkay, first nolapic |
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| 11:07.36 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 11:09.37 | Nebukadneza | kay, no luck with nolapic - recompiling kernel |
| 11:09.43 | Nebukadneza | (thank you alot this far already! :P) |
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| 11:09.55 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: np, i hope it helps |
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| 11:11.31 | Nebukadneza | btw, do you happen to know what exactly that DMAR zero-address BIOS breakage is? |
| 11:11.44 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: it looks like they still haven't got it right http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=acer-wmi |
| 11:12.14 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: not exactly, but i have seen several posts about it in the past |
| 11:12.41 | Nebukadneza | and - why exactly is acer_wmi a problem? the docs look like its a pretty nice idea... |
| 11:13.07 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: i didnt say that, its a nice idee, but i doubt its ready |
| 11:13.28 | Nebukadneza | kay :P |
| 11:15.01 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: follow the link i gave, i expect some more for it soon |
| 11:15.22 | Nebukadneza | i'm looking there already |
| 11:16.26 | Nebukadneza | uuuhm |
| 11:16.27 | Nebukadneza | silly question |
| 11:16.28 | Nebukadneza | but |
| 11:16.39 | Nebukadneza | i've just recompiled the kernel, installed the resulting package, built a new initrd |
| 11:16.53 | Nebukadneza | i have "blacklist acer_wmi" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 11:17.04 | Nebukadneza | it's currently loaded (after booting the new kernel) |
| 11:17.06 | Nebukadneza | how can that be? |
| 11:17.43 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: is it M or static compiled in? |
| 11:17.55 | Nebukadneza | its M - it wouldn't appear in lsmod otherwise :P |
| 11:18.08 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 11:18.21 | Nebukadneza | Oo dito |
| 11:18.26 | Nebukadneza | uuuhm wait |
| 11:18.31 | Nebukadneza | lsmod shows acer_wmi |
| 11:18.36 | Nebukadneza | the file is named acer-wmi.ko |
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| 11:18.43 | Nebukadneza | ... *blacklist acer-wmi* |
| 11:19.17 | Nebukadneza | nop ... still gets autoloaded |
| 11:19.23 | Nebukadneza | blacklist doesn't seem to have a effect |
| 11:19.31 | dutchfish | no the naming convention was right, thats not it |
| 11:19.44 | Nebukadneza | how about just moving the .ko aside for the time beeing? |
| 11:19.52 | Nebukadneza | (and later N-ing it in kernel config) |
| 11:19.58 | dutchfish | quircky, but yes |
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| 11:20.34 | Kunsi | hey guys |
| 11:20.35 | Nebukadneza | its a hack, but hey - we're debugging |
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| 11:21.25 | Nebukadneza | btw, how about acerhdf - the site says its only for fan-control, i'd have to apply a patch to make it work with my bios rev ... could that solve anything? |
| 11:21.47 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza: join #off-topic, because this is going to be a bit ... ah well ... offtopic |
| 11:21.57 | dutchfish | #debian-offtopic |
| 11:22.06 | Nebukadneza | kay |
| 11:22.18 | dutchfish | hola |
| 11:22.36 | Kunsi | i'm trying to install php5-imagich/unstable on a testing system … put APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/defaultrelease and tried `apt-get -t unstable install php5-imagick` (unstable repos added in sources list), but apt-get tells me that it cant find php5-imagick |
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| 11:23.33 | Kunsi | but why? |
| 11:23.47 | ulgo | apt-get update ? |
| 11:23.54 | Kunsi | uh |
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| 11:23.56 | Kunsi | yeah |
| 11:23.58 | Kunsi | :p |
| 11:25.25 | Kunsi | php5-imagick: Hängt ab: phpapi-20060613 |
| 11:25.28 | Kunsi | hmhm |
| 11:26.04 | Guthur | added some testing repos to my sources.list and set APT::Default-Release "stable"; in apt.conf. When I do an apt-get upgrade it seems to want to take a couple of upgrades from testing, is this normal? |
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| 11:26.40 | Kunsi | but i cant find phpapi-20060613 anywhere … |
| 11:26.58 | Guthur | If I add -t testing it wants to take lots from testing, which makes me think it is working to some capacity I was just surprised that it wants to take some with the default upgrade |
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| 11:29.36 | K1ng\ | configure: error: could not find libperl. |
| 11:29.43 | K1ng\ | perl-dev is not available? |
| 11:29.52 | Kunsi | thats the whole output: http://pastebin.com/7n8ww4yD |
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| 11:36.15 | disconnected | Hey People! What was the way to look up the name of the wlan driver, so I can modprode -r and then modprobe it? In the past I had some success with it, trying to bring my network connection back up. |
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| 11:38.14 | torstefan | Hi, I have updated my kernel with apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 , is there something else I need to do? |
| 11:38.53 | salvin | i have this problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549020 |
| 11:39.05 | salvin | can i solve it using cdrtools? |
| 11:39.09 | torstefan | I kinda remember there something else that needs to be done. I couldn't find anything through google... |
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| 11:39.24 | Kra | torstefan install the headers ? i'm sure you will need them later |
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| 11:39.33 | flypp_ | hi there |
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| 11:40.11 | Guthur | disconnected: I believe it is iwconfig |
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| 11:42.12 | flypp_ | does someone use pure-ftpd under Lenny with virtual-users (trought pure-pw) ? |
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| 11:42.31 | torstefan | Kra, okay, I don't need to upgrade or recompile anything afterwards like my ifw2200 intel wi-fi drivers |
| 11:42.36 | torstefan | or something like that.. :P |
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| 11:43.45 | disconnected | Guthur: i found it with lshw -C network | grep module now |
| 11:44.33 | Kra | torstefan depends |
| 11:45.21 | Kra | if you have nvidia video card or ati and you're using drivers from their site... you have to (re)install them |
| 11:47.47 | Kra | torstefan if you have a atheros wireless network card... the kernel includes drivers since 2.6.27... you don't have to use madwifi anymore |
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| 11:50.26 | Kra | yeah bad english |
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| 11:53.43 | echosystm | whats the best way to install testing? |
| 11:54.24 | echosystm | is there any way to install testing directly, rather than upgrading from stable? |
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| 11:55.08 | Guthur | echosystm: You could use source.list and apt-get to cherry pick what you want |
| 11:55.17 | Kra | echosystm there is |
| 11:55.18 | Guthur | That's what I'm doing at the moment |
| 11:55.37 | alleyoopster | echosystm: there is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:56.01 | Kra | echosystm there is cd iso and netinstall iso with testing |
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| 11:56.20 | echosystm | how bad is testing to run? |
| 11:56.32 | Guthur | Oh sorry you want to install testing, my bad, I misread |
| 11:56.56 | Kra | echosystm is not bad at all |
| 11:56.57 | alleyoopster | echosystm: I have been running it for 6 months on this laptop with very few problems |
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| 11:59.47 | echosystm | does anyone have any idea, roughly, when the next freeze might happen? |
| 11:59.59 | echosystm | i was under the impression it was supposed to have happened already |
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| 12:03.22 | wols | echosystm: /msg dpkg wwsr /msg dpkg siyh /msg dpkg rc bugs |
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| 12:07.02 | K1ng\ | how do i install java? |
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| 12:07.48 | jelly-home | K1ng\: /msg dpkg install java |
| 12:07.50 | ulgo | aptitude install ... |
| 12:08.14 | K1ng\ | huh? |
| 12:08.43 | Kra | apt-cache search jre ? see the packets you need and apt-get install <package1> <package2> |
| 12:08.56 | jelly-home | K1ng\: do that in your irc client, then read the private answer from dpkg |
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| 12:10.02 | K1ng\ | i need to install it on a vps |
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| 12:10.05 | K1ng\ | text only |
| 12:11.36 | jelly-home | K1ng\: do you feel that answer you got from dpkg doesn't apply? |
| 12:11.51 | K1ng\ | i guess not |
| 12:11.56 | K1ng\ | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 12:12.19 | jelly-home | K1ng\: what are you really trying to accomplish, then? |
| 12:12.43 | K1ng\ | jelly-home, a python compiler need java |
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| 12:17.44 | jelly-home | K1ng\: jre? jdk? |
| 12:17.54 | seniorake | I would like to set up 2 crontab entries. One should be executed every even day and the other one every odd day. For example, day=*/2 would do just every second day, but I don't see how I could specify the other command to be executed every 1st, 3rd, 5th day, etc |
| 12:19.10 | K1ng\ | forget it.. i think that version is for windows only |
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| 12:24.34 | jelly-home | seniorake: even/odd day of week? month? year? |
| 12:25.00 | seniorake | month |
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| 12:28.50 | xand | seniorake: you put a list of days |
| 12:28.56 | xand | 1,3,5,7... |
| 12:29.01 | xand | 2,4,6,8... |
| 12:29.55 | seniorake | hm, thanks. I thought there is some easier way |
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| 12:41.16 | project2501b | can a 32-bit compiler produce 64-bit code? |
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| 12:43.09 | Nurbs | project2501b: if it is a cross-compiler, yes. but you might also require additional (64 bit) libraries for linking |
| 12:43.20 | project2501b | gcc |
| 12:43.22 | Bushmills | depends what you call "32 bit compiler" |
| 12:43.49 | project2501b | the system is a POS RHEL 5 installation. it has gcc 4.1.2 |
| 12:43.59 | project2501b | management won't let me install debian on it :( |
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| 12:44.36 | Bushmills | vserver kernel, run as guest :) |
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| 12:45.48 | Bushmills | hm. though 32 bit kernel will run system as 32 bit. guest can't change that |
| 12:46.01 | project2501b | ya |
| 12:46.06 | project2501b | i was about to say that :) |
| 12:46.34 | Bushmills | still, you specified "debian" only. no mention of desire to install 64 bit debian |
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| 12:48.24 | kdasdasf | hi this could be a stupid question but i created a file (an xml document) and now i can't find it. i know it has the extension ,,xml'' and it contains the word ,,Endpunkt'', can somebody tell me how to find it? like find / -name "*xml" -exec grep -H "Endpunkt" <-- is that correct or is there a faster version? |
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| 12:51.45 | DASPRiD | kdasdasf, locate Endpunkt | grep xml |
| 12:51.46 | norbert_ | hi, is there a way to tell how many times a deb pack has been downloaded via apt? |
| 12:52.05 | DASPRiD | kdasdasf, if it's not found, call updatedb first |
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| 12:52.33 | kdasdasf | DASPRiD, shouldn't it be the other way around? like locate finds files by name and not by content |
| 12:52.59 | DASPRiD | oh you search by cointent, well |
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| 12:57.46 | mamalujo_ | hello. anyone use haskell-platform here? any ideas which package does it need to compile when complaining that "the open gl c library is required", on lenny? |
| 12:57.55 | lontra | hi .. i am trying to create a bootable usb to install debian from. but for the life me i can't figure out how to do this. i've followed the instructions here ... http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html and have tried unetbootin but to no avail! |
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| 13:01.38 | Guthur | I have installed a kernel from kernel.org, anyone know of a link to get information on building a linux-headers package from this |
| 13:01.47 | Guthur | I haven't been able to turn anything up |
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| 13:04.15 | mirak | hi |
| 13:04.34 | mirak | what size is a debian archive for a release ? |
| 13:04.42 | mirak | a debian mirror I mean |
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| 13:07.21 | mamalujo_ | tried adding libglu1-mesa-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev which would seem to be the ones required for libghc6-opengl-dev in the repos. but didn't help. Is that it just too old a version to satisfy it? stop with 'checking for library containing glEnd... no" |
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| 13:08.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell mirak about mirror size |
| 13:08.28 | lontra | what fs type should i use if i want to create a debian bootable usb? |
| 13:08.36 | lontra | fat16? |
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| 13:09.11 | mamalujo_ | sorry,I meant libglu1-mesa-dev and libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 13:09.12 | Lantizia | Hey will debian count the onboard NIC as eth0 or eth1 if you have another NIC installed? |
| 13:09.28 | will | mirak:http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 13:10.41 | mirak | jelly-home will ok but this gives the stat for all the release since debian exists right ? |
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| 13:11.05 | jelly-home | mirak: no, that's just the current state |
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| 13:11.31 | mirak | jelly-home, for unstable ? testing ? |
| 13:12.02 | will | mirak: the current distribution for all branch |
| 13:12.05 | lontra | after i've run zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb ... can i just use cp to copy the .iso? |
| 13:12.57 | mirak | will let's say I just want to know the size of unstable packages without the isos |
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| 13:16.13 | jelly-home | mirak: I don't know where to find the numbers for that. In addition, releases, esp. testing and unstable overlap quite a bit. |
| 13:16.19 | mirak | will, what I was thinking was doing a torrentfs fuse, made as a deluge plugin, and then create a torrent from a view on the main archive packages. Then you would just have to declare the mount as a local archive, and when a cp is done on a file, deluge daemon just downloads it. |
| 13:16.49 | jelly-home | mirak: why torrent? |
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| 13:17.00 | jelly-home | debian mirrors typically have nice bandwidth. |
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| 13:17.29 | mirak | jelly-home, could be edonkey protocol, whatever I guess. |
| 13:17.33 | will | torrent is efficient only on large archives |
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| 13:17.51 | Bushmills | and distributing traffic isn't such a bad idea |
| 13:17.51 | mirak | will it would be large. |
| 13:18.06 | will | with pieces of 512kio at least |
| 13:18.13 | jelly-home | mirak: sounds like you've found a solution and are now looking for a problem to fit it |
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| 13:18.30 | jelly-home | just uses a mirror |
| 13:18.48 | Nurbs | Does anybody know of prebuilt OpenJDK 7 packages for Debian? |
| 13:19.05 | jelly-home | mirak: what would be the use case? |
| 13:19.23 | will | mirak:ftp://anonymous:anonymous@ftp.debian.org/debian/dists |
| 13:19.35 | will | look at the size of unstable |
| 13:19.53 | will | it could take some time... |
| 13:19.53 | mirak | will, for bittorent if you create a torrent of an iso of 10G or a folder of 10000 files of 1M it's almost the same. Exept you need to cary a file list but that's what tar does for exemple. |
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| 13:20.24 | mirak | jelly-home, mmm fun ^^ |
| 13:20.36 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 13:20.42 | will | i found 2196 files|dirs for 1,6 Gio |
| 13:21.37 | will | mirak: what if my package is 30 kio? |
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| 13:22.36 | mirak | will, you will overdownload datas depending on the chunk size. and by the way a package of 30k might be spread on two chunks |
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| 13:23.11 | kosiini | I wouldn't want to compare Debian to Ubuntu, but... I burned the DVD to try it out, and... |
| 13:23.16 | will | mirak: I was think like you when I discovered bittorrent but I realized that it's useful only for large archives |
| 13:23.24 | will | thinking* |
| 13:23.24 | kosiini | it says it can't find the CD drive driver |
| 13:23.35 | mirak | will, but at the same time it's not wasted data, it creates redundancy and data that you will share with others. It's not necessarilly optimal, but it's kind of like data repetition |
| 13:24.27 | kosiini | the Debian DVD |
| 13:24.33 | will | mirak: to be efficient the torrent need seeders |
| 13:24.50 | will | even for debian iso there's not a lot of seeders online |
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| 13:25.56 | mirak | will, the main problem I see is for archives source that updates often, like security or updates. But they are also smaller. And you have to find a way to tell apt to tell the torrent clien to download from a new torrent. data you downloaded are not lost. In fact that's mostly what apt do when getting a new packages.gz |
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| 13:27.05 | will | I think like the pop-contest tool there should be a way of contributing by using at least 50% of the bandwidth available |
| 13:27.24 | will | when the computer is online |
| 13:27.35 | mirak | will I don't think the idea is to make the ftp servers obsolete, anyway people use what they want. It's just that at release time, there might be a bit of contention. And since we have protocols to avoid that, and that I have time to waste thinking about that ... |
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| 13:29.10 | will | Some may not agree but central archive like the debian repository is an missconception |
| 13:30.17 | mirak | will I just think that if it's nicely integrated into a client like deluge, who have a daemon running in background, it's convenient to use. I find the idea attractive. and even if it's not usefull 100% of the time I am sure some people might like the idea. And beside this, I just think the idea of a fuse torrentfs insteresting in it self. I think that a deamon like Deluge can do what GVFS is doing. When y |
| 13:30.17 | mirak | ou pseudo mount a folder with Nautilus, it's accessible in |
| 13:30.45 | mirak | ~/.gvfs/mymount I think deluge could do something like ~/.deluge/myTorrent |
| 13:31.23 | mirak | then if the torrent mirrors an archive, apt-get just have to acces it as if it's a local archive. |
| 13:32.34 | mirak | it would be pretty transparent. If you manage to make apt-get download at least two files at the same time it would avoid interruptions |
| 13:32.48 | Trewas | mirak: there have been a few implementations of using bittorrent to transfer debian packages, none of them has catched on |
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| 13:34.06 | mirak | Trewas, I am aware of that, but maybe implementing torrent protocol directly in apt-get, or having a .torrent for each file is not the good way to go. I think if it's made transparent it can be reused for anything. |
| 13:34.08 | will | I think the entire repository should rely on upstream authors or upstream maintainer with independant location on the web |
| 13:35.06 | will | the project is becoming very huge |
| 13:35.19 | lydgate | i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, i've had many problems most of which i've solved, but one that i can't for the life of me figure out is that my refresh rate is now wrong |
| 13:35.26 | will | one day it can be too much |
| 13:35.47 | lydgate | xrandr reports it 1920x1080@50, but my TV thinks it's 23 Hz (it always used to think it was 50 Hz) and video looks bad |
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| 13:36.17 | mirak | will yes but it's still centralized in the end. |
| 13:36.31 | jelly-home | mirak: apt already has support for multiple protocols |
| 13:37.04 | jelly-home | mirak: ls -l /usr/lib/apt/methods/ |
| 13:37.10 | will | centralized like bittorrent maybe |
| 13:37.25 | will | not a real p2p architecture |
| 13:37.42 | mirak | jelly-home, yes, but you need a backend for apt. You could use a basic bittorent client, but if it closes when apt have done, I think we won't get far with only leechers |
| 13:38.15 | mirak | jelly-home, I prefer imagine the torrent usage similar to what apt-proxy does |
| 13:38.40 | mirak | jelly-home, the difference is that here the proxy is not a http server, it's a torrent. |
| 13:38.50 | jelly-home | you're still solving something that isn't a problem at all |
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| 13:39.59 | mirak | jelly-home, maybe there are more vital tasks, but still in the end, having a torrentfs can be usefull in itself. |
| 13:40.19 | jelly-home | I think having p2p support in apt directly would be much more fruitful |
| 13:40.29 | mirak | jelly-home, that's why I only asked about the mirror size |
| 13:40.30 | will | Debian could save bandwidth by removing http & ftp protocols for the ISO distribution |
| 13:40.45 | will | I don't know why it's not already done |
| 13:40.58 | jelly-home | because it's not an issue? |
| 13:41.05 | will | maybe |
| 13:42.00 | jelly-home | will: if you assume people have internet access, then the only thing they have to initially download is the 200MB netinst image |
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| 13:42.32 | mirak | jelly-home, like I said, even if you implement torrent protocol directly into apt, you will still need a torrent daemon, otherwise it means you don't share your bandwith when you are done using apt. That's why I think that if there is a backend, and since we could imagine a torrentfs, you don't really need to made apt aware of the torrent protocol. |
| 13:43.20 | Bushmills | but there is torrent support for apt already |
| 13:43.23 | will | In fact I'm still wondering why there's so many ISO size |
| 13:43.35 | mirak | Bushmills, apt-torrent ? |
| 13:43.38 | jelly-home | will: for people without internet connections |
| 13:43.46 | kosiini | why isn't there a netinst option on the DVD? |
| 13:43.46 | nsadmin | maybe some are willing to share their bandwidth... |
| 13:43.48 | Bushmills | debtorrent and apt-transport-debtorrent |
| 13:43.49 | will | 1 DVD should be enough |
| 13:44.08 | jelly-home | will: 1 netinst should be enough |
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| 13:44.16 | will | since DVD-R is the cheapest common media |
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| 13:45.22 | nsadmin | will: the idea behind having different ways to get debian packages and to install debian is of supporting people that either don't have one hardware or another, or have some preference as to what they want to do |
| 13:46.04 | mirak | Bushmills, thanks I will look at this |
| 13:46.12 | notme | Buf if you can use bittorrent, you can use ftp. |
| 13:46.19 | will | indeed |
| 13:47.03 | will | but why 5 iso DVD |
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| 13:47.13 | qfr | How can I kill all current SSH/SFTP connections to a server? /etc/init.d/ssh restart doesn't actually do that |
| 13:47.16 | will | almost nobody use them all |
| 13:47.41 | hatta | what do I need to have in my sources.list to apt-get source nvidia-settings? |
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| 13:47.48 | hatta | nvidia settings is in contrib |
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| 13:48.10 | nsadmin | will: would that be true no matter what size debian is? "almost no one will use it all"? |
| 13:48.20 | rudi_s | qfr: Use kill (and maybe a little script), if you're connected through SSH make sure you don't kill your own connection. |
| 13:48.27 | qfr | rudi_s urgh |
| 13:48.47 | mirak | will I know a guy when student didn't add a internet connection. But he add all debian isos. |
| 13:49.05 | will | will: I mean the 5 DVD are not all essential for people |
| 13:49.12 | will | nsadmin* |
| 13:49.27 | nsadmin | howbout 10 dvds? |
| 13:49.30 | nsadmin | howbout 1? |
| 13:49.45 | nsadmin | howbout 200 mb? |
| 13:49.46 | mirak | will there will always be someone who wants and needs them for whatever reason. |
| 13:49.51 | will | 1 essential media should be enough |
| 13:49.58 | notme | it is enough. |
| 13:50.04 | notme | But not for everyone. |
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| 13:50.35 | nsadmin | what exactly are you suggesting should replace it? |
| 13:51.22 | Bushmills | a pre-installed harddisc, with all images copied onto it. |
| 13:51.41 | will | "padding" media should be removed from being released |
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| 13:51.54 | will | to stay focus |
| 13:51.57 | nsadmin | define padding |
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| 13:52.16 | will | meaning DVD not essential |
| 13:52.22 | mirak | will I think the problem is more about how the media is not abstracted from the real data. The iso or the ftp archive should be abstract views on the same concrete data. I guess it's what jigdo tried to do right ? |
| 13:52.22 | nsadmin | define essential |
| 13:52.31 | Bushmills | what would you have removed from debian? |
| 13:52.38 | Bushmills | sources? |
| 13:52.43 | nsadmin | and define essential in terms of ALL USERS |
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| 13:52.58 | Bushmills | or rather, non-desktop stuff? |
| 13:53.09 | will | DVD that are not necessary for running the system |
| 13:53.22 | Bushmills | like, X windows? |
| 13:53.23 | notme | mirak afaik that's exactly what jigdo does. |
| 13:53.36 | will | or not required for more than 75% of users for example |
| 13:53.37 | Bushmills | you don't need X for running the system |
| 13:53.38 | mirak | notme, so what's the problem ? ^^ |
| 13:53.47 | nsadmin | are you suggesting to actually remove all nonessential packages from debian? |
| 13:54.55 | nsadmin | will: Bushmills has a point... some people might not need any more than base, or not much more |
| 13:54.57 | Bushmills | not more than 3 of 4 users have apache installed, i think. so apache should be thrown out, for example? |
| 13:55.34 | notme | mirak I don't know... I think he's arguing there should be only 1 image release and leave all the rest exclusively to apt and jigdo. |
| 13:55.36 | Bushmills | and bind. who needs name servers, anyway |
| 13:55.43 | jelly-home | Bushmills: apache is already thrown out. apache2 is the way! |
| 13:55.47 | nsadmin | who needs servers? |
| 13:55.53 | will | nsadmin: It's not very clear what is necessary and what is not |
| 13:56.08 | will | at first sight |
| 13:56.36 | Bushmills | that's the other side of having choice |
| 13:56.42 | will | newbie could still download 5 DVD without any clue of that |
| 13:56.46 | hatta | what's necessary depends on the user |
| 13:56.47 | Bushmills | you prefer less choice? |
| 13:56.47 | nsadmin | will: thank you... you've just confirmed that the domain of the problem you perceive is not so trivial |
| 13:56.58 | notme | well... newbie should read "getting debian". |
| 13:57.08 | Bushmills | in that case, why should there be a linux at all? go windows |
| 13:57.09 | hatta | 90% of users only use 10% of the software, but it's always a different 10% |
| 13:57.14 | nsadmin | we tell newbies to use netinst |
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| 13:57.29 | nsadmin | but some of them can't for one reason or another |
| 13:57.29 | hatta | netinst is the best definitely |
| 13:57.38 | hatta | apt-get only what you need |
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| 13:58.19 | will | I downloaded 5 CD of potatoes for my first time with debian |
| 13:58.21 | notme | hatta that's relative. |
| 13:58.22 | will | lol |
| 13:58.49 | nsadmin | are you still angry over that? |
| 13:58.57 | Bushmills | will, i reckon that at least 50% of the packages you choose are those which I don't. when putting together a cd with "essential" stuff only, now who is going to win? |
| 13:59.18 | Bushmills | you probably not because you don't like the stuff i'd choose |
| 13:59.21 | AimHere | Everything beyond GNU coreutils is wasteful |
| 13:59.26 | will | not angry but I think it could be clearer for eveybody |
| 13:59.28 | nsadmin | see that's why there's "popularity-contest" |
| 13:59.28 | notme | netinst for lenny never recognized my network card, for instance. |
| 13:59.36 | Bushmills | and me not because i may not have a lot of use for your choices |
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| 13:59.52 | nsadmin | will: how can it be made clearer? |
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| 14:00.23 | AimHere | Well you could not have the other 4 DVDs |
| 14:00.32 | AimHere | That would make it clear |
| 14:00.43 | will | with the front page of the website leading to the 1st CD/DVD for example |
| 14:00.58 | Bushmills | many people don't even download the whole dvd |
| 14:01.02 | fassl | hey guys, just did a fresh install, apt-get doesnt find any packages it seems, internet connection is available |
| 14:01.13 | nsadmin | do you suppose that people read the installation manual? |
| 14:01.17 | hatta | so, can someone help me 'apt-get source' something from contrib? |
| 14:01.22 | notme | will if you had read the "getting debian" section, you wouldn't have gotten all the potatoes. |
| 14:02.01 | Bushmills | even on the first dvd, there's probably 80 to 90 % of stuff people don't use or need |
| 14:02.06 | will | notme: It read it but it wasn't so clear to me |
| 14:02.07 | nsadmin | had a misterpotatohead to celebrate the release of potato |
| 14:02.08 | notme | fassl what's in your sources.list? |
| 14:02.18 | fassl | one moment |
| 14:02.34 | hatta | I have this line in sources.list: deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
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| 14:02.48 | hatta | but apt-get source tells me:E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 14:02.52 | AimHere | What's unclear about "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them." |
| 14:03.04 | hatta | I did apt-get update after changing my sources.list |
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| 14:03.20 | AimHere | Does it need to be in luminous 24 point Comic Sans? |
| 14:03.22 | Bushmills | alas, since there are not a lot of floppy drives around anymore, floppy boot installation images a pretty much on the decline |
| 14:03.54 | nsadmin | AimHere: additionally it should offer clown shoes and makeup |
| 14:03.58 | Bushmills | but many got a full debian installation by downloading two floppy images |
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| 14:05.02 | fassl | notme: damn cant copy/paste from vmware, here it is http://pastie.org/942410 |
| 14:05.08 | Bushmills | even the thought of downloading a while CD - not even a DVD - sent shudders through those |
| 14:05.12 | fassl | and cdrom line is commented out |
| 14:05.18 | Bushmills | whole |
| 14:05.22 | notme | yes.. you need vmtools for that, i think. |
| 14:05.38 | notme | fassl you don't have the mirrors with the packages |
| 14:05.59 | nsadmin | Bushmills: and then people with dialup got dsls |
| 14:06.17 | fassl | oh? do you have a link to those mirrors? |
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| 14:06.50 | fassl | i add one of these? http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 14:07.03 | notme | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:07.09 | notme | see this: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 14:07.45 | hatta | how do you do that so you can get sources from contrib? |
| 14:07.49 | will | AimHere: It does need to emphasize the need of the first CD/DVD |
| 14:08.09 | will | instead of naming them CD/DVD0x |
| 14:08.10 | hatta | is it not just deb-src instead of deb at the beginning of the line? |
| 14:08.26 | AimHere | Err, you mean if you don't download the first one, you don't get debian? |
| 14:08.31 | hatta | that's what I'm trying and it's not working for me |
| 14:08.49 | notme | fassl just add that line. You can use a mirror from that list that's near you instead. Then do 'apt-get update'. |
| 14:08.52 | AimHere | That's implicit in the nature of removable storage. If you don't have the CDs you can't get the software. |
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| 14:09.25 | will | why not just calling the first one Debian and the others Debian archives |
| 14:09.38 | will | to be sure the one is the good one |
| 14:09.40 | AimHere | But the first one has lots of Debian archives stuff too |
| 14:09.44 | will | for dumb people like me |
| 14:09.47 | fassl | notme: yep thanks, doing atm |
| 14:09.48 | will | lol |
| 14:10.19 | will | but nothing to make the system bootable am i wrong? |
| 14:10.40 | notme | will but that's wouldn't be fair to the other images - they have feelings too. |
| 14:10.53 | will | l0l |
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| 14:11.05 | hatta | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid contrib |
| 14:11.13 | hatta | is there a reason that's not working for me? |
| 14:12.39 | hatta | I've also tried deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable contrib |
| 14:12.54 | hatta | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 14:13.00 | fassl | great, thanks notme |
| 14:13.03 | hatta | etc etc |
| 14:13.05 | fassl | works now |
| 14:13.26 | notme | np |
| 14:14.08 | hatta | am I doing something wrong or is this a bug in apt-get? |
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| 14:14.13 | notme | hatta I have no idea. Try using another mirror. |
| 14:15.20 | hatta | same thing |
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| 14:16.29 | hatta | deb-src http://mirror.steadfast.net/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 14:16.41 | hatta | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.steadfast.net_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 14:17.15 | notme | huh. Funny. |
| 14:17.20 | hatta | hmm 'contrib' is not in that error message |
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| 14:19.52 | hatta | man I'll just download the source myself |
| 14:20.45 | antgel | using testing for the first time in years, is there a way to get apt to stop moaning about the lack of a release key? preferably a secure way rather than a hack :) |
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| 14:23.15 | notme | antgel use gpg |
| 14:23.45 | wols | antgel: the keyring has the keys needed for testing |
| 14:24.16 | qfr | How can I get a list of current TCP connections to my box, associated with PIDs? |
| 14:24.42 | wols | hatta: use an official debian mirrir: www.<country id>.debian.org |
| 14:25.11 | wols | qfr: netstat -anp |
| 14:25.15 | onur | qfr: netstat -tapn |
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| 14:25.43 | onur | t for tcp connections |
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| 14:26.33 | will | antgel: wget -O - ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg | apt-key add |
| 14:27.06 | antgel | ah. i had added the key successfully, but neglected to apt-get update afterwards. oopsie |
| 14:27.14 | antgel | thanks wols and will |
| 14:28.01 | antgel | i really get a kick out of upgrading between releases, it just gets more and more polished |
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| 14:28.51 | notme | yes.. the first thing you notice is that the packages are not ancient.. |
| 14:29.07 | notme | =P |
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| 14:29.50 | angelgen | hi |
| 14:30.01 | hatta | wols: no luck |
| 14:30.02 | hatta | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/www.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 14:30.15 | angelgen | anyone to speak in spanish ? |
| 14:30.24 | notme | it'd be ftp.us.debian.org, hatta |
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| 14:30.45 | xNice | hello.... |
| 14:30.53 | hatta | that's actually what I was using, but switched it to www per wols suggestion |
| 14:30.54 | mirak | notme, that's what ubuntu does I think |
| 14:31.06 | antgel | my motivation for upgrading was that i'm developing in perl - moose, dbix::class, catalyst, all move very fast, and it's been long enough since lenny release for testing to be relatively stable. am using gnome-desktop-environment for the time being, and massive changes there - it's actually usable :D |
| 14:31.15 | angelgen | i need help to choice *.iso installer |
| 14:31.26 | antgel | !es |
| 14:31.26 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 14:31.40 | angelgen | ok thanks |
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| 14:32.02 | xNice | if i want to give vpn accounts manually for users to surf anonymously...what i need ? i am talking about pptp and openvpn but also i want to monitor the usage and give some dedicated ips/ |
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| 14:33.33 | notme | mirak huh?! |
| 14:34.07 | mirak | read history |
| 14:34.13 | notme | I don't use a big environment. Only Openbox, so I don't experience the glitches and annoying changes that always come with upgrading.. |
| 14:34.13 | mirak | up |
| 14:34.31 | mirak | about having just one iso |
| 14:34.56 | notme | hm.. history indeed.. that was ages ago heh |
| 14:35.18 | antgel | i was using ratpoison for most of the last two years, but now find myself in various corporate environments, and some gnome DE stuff is suited to that. but will go back as soon as i feel i can |
| 14:36.21 | notme | hm.. my brother uses one like that... i can't stand it. I need my windows to be free.. |
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| 14:36.42 | antgel | notme: no, you *think* you do ;) |
| 14:36.51 | notme | hah |
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| 14:37.12 | wade | hi everone |
| 14:37.12 | antgel | admittedly the learning curve of a tiling WM is... unpleasant |
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| 14:37.28 | wade | i need to fix my "PATHS" in debian |
| 14:37.38 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 14:37.38 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18h 12m 41s ago, saying: 'jaggz-: try #defocus'. |
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| 14:37.56 | wade | apt-get is trying to use dpkg, and the path variable is wrong |
| 14:37.59 | notme | the actual learning is not the scary part for me... but the getting used to. My fingers are used to certain patterns.. |
| 14:38.14 | wols | wade: cd;grep PATH .* |
| 14:38.42 | wade | it's looking in /usr/bin/dpkg instead of /usr/local/bin/dpkg |
| 14:38.49 | antgel | notme: that's what i mean by learning. reading the manpage != learning. but in the end it was as great as promised. same with learning to type dvorak |
| 14:38.54 | notme | I actually forgot my email password last week... 'cause I'm so used to typing it, that I didn't really remember it. Eventually I tried to type it very fast and I got it right lol |
| 14:38.56 | wols | wade: /usr/bin/dpkg IS the right path |
| 14:39.07 | Sidnicious | Hey, all. I've got what's hopefully a common question. I have a lenny install, and want to install one or more packages from testing or unstable and hopefully keep them up to date. What's the right way to do that? |
| 14:39.18 | antgel | !backport |
| 14:39.18 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:39.26 | wols | !tell Sidnicious about backports |
| 14:39.37 | antgel | wols: yes, i should msg the bot :) |
| 14:39.51 | wols | was typing when you were |
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| 14:40.19 | Sidnicious | Reading |
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| 14:41.31 | wade | then why is it in /usr/local/bin ? im sure my paths are screwy, is there a way to check? |
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| 14:41.48 | wols | wade: your debian is screwy, not your path. dpkg is ALWAYS in /usr/bin |
| 14:42.00 | wade | yes it's in there, |
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| 14:42.09 | wols | wade: what did you do that it ended up in /usr/local/? what did you do? |
| 14:42.18 | yang | Does anyone know a good program that displays image data - focus/date/etc. "apt-cache search image data" produces numerous hits |
| 14:42.21 | wade | and if my debian is screwy it's because my paths are wrong and it's all gone bad since update |
| 14:42.32 | wols | wade: bullshit |
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| 14:42.46 | wols | !tell wade about errors |
| 14:42.55 | wade | ! anyway. |
| 14:43.16 | wade | i let a friend export new paths into the system |
| 14:43.19 | qfr | I'd like to disable SFTP for everybody except a certain user group - how do you achieve this in sshd_config? Subsystem sftp [blah] isn't permitted in Match blocks apparently |
| 14:43.48 | wade | to fix a problem with bad purging of certain packages ok |
| 14:44.07 | lydgate | right so i'm going crazy, in squeeze the mga driver with xrandr claims to be outputting 50 Hz, but my monitor says it's outputting 23 Hz |
| 14:44.15 | wade | so anyway,.. dpkg: failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.22 | wade | is the new message |
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| 14:45.02 | hatta | ok, now I'm really confused |
| 14:45.10 | wols | find out WHAT your "friend" did first |
| 14:45.26 | hatta | I removed my sources.list, and used netselect-apt to build another one |
| 14:45.30 | wade | wols: i installed dpkg from source figuring "this will do the trick!" that's probably how it got there |
| 14:45.36 | hatta | but when I apt-get update, it's still using my old sources.list |
| 14:45.37 | hatta | wtf |
| 14:45.40 | jelly-home | lydgate: 50Hz interlaced? |
| 14:45.56 | wade | because the paths are wrong.. |
| 14:46.31 | Sidnicious | antgel, wols: Thanks! Got my package installed. Will apt-get upgrade keep it up to date if it was installed from backports.org? |
| 14:46.32 | wols | wade: reinstall. the paths you need are inside your broken dpkg binaries |
| 14:46.43 | hatta | /etc/apt/sources.list is the right one right? |
| 14:46.59 | hatta | I just rm'd it, and apt-get update isn't complaining at all |
| 14:47.04 | wols | Sidnicious: no. only if newer packages are in bpo which rarely are. no secruity updates either |
| 14:47.27 | wade | goddamn sersious? i figured the paths were standard affair' /bin /usr/bin etc' |
| 14:47.37 | Sidnicious | Er, OK. So when a newer version makes it into testing, how do I get it? |
| 14:47.39 | wade | /usr/local |
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| 14:48.05 | wols | wade: ./configure assumes /usr/local as prefix by default. your "firend" was too clueless to know or notice this. |
| 14:48.16 | wols | so yes I am serious |
| 14:48.22 | antgel | Sidnicious: testing != backports. the backports team might roll a new backport if you ask nicely |
| 14:48.27 | wols | use the system's dpkg and all will be well |
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| 14:48.45 | notme | Sidnicious do not install packages from testing, by the way. |
| 14:48.48 | wade | when it should have been straight /usr? |
| 14:49.17 | wols | wade: it should have been / and your stunt of compiling dpkg from source was utterly and totally stupid |
| 14:49.39 | jnss | i got issues man |
| 14:49.50 | hatta | ok, so what are /etc/apt/foreign and /etc/apt/native for? |
| 14:49.57 | jnss | i want the iwconfig to work at creating adhocs |
| 14:49.58 | wols | jnss: shrinks are that way -> |
| 14:50.02 | wade | not the first stupid thing i've ever done, trust me |
| 14:50.09 | jnss | just, it wont appear on the ether |
| 14:50.10 | Sidnicious | antgel: All right. The package in question is nginx, and the backports version is current. Hopefully that means enough other people are poking them about it. |
| 14:50.11 | hatta | if I want to recreate my sources.list from scratch, do I need to worry about those folders? |
| 14:50.16 | jnss | checked it with airodump on another pc |
| 14:50.27 | jnss | Adhoc doesnt play |
| 14:50.31 | Sidnicious | notme: OK. why's that? Will it pull forward a bunch of deps from testing? |
| 14:50.42 | wade | so what about, hypothetically, i change the path for dpkg, install it and hope for the best? :) |
| 14:50.46 | dkay | Hello #debian! someone there who can help me with compiling a kernel! |
| 14:50.52 | wols | Sidnicious: it will create a frankendebian which is more unstable than normal testing |
| 14:50.54 | lydgate | jelly-home: no. It's an LCD TV, so 1920x1080 @ 50 Hz. Was working with Lenny |
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| 14:51.01 | wols | !tell dkay about kernel-package |
| 14:51.02 | Sidnicious | wols: :) |
| 14:51.09 | wade | by the way i used checkinstall so removing i's a sinch :) |
| 14:51.09 | notme | Sidnicious Hm a package doesn't work without its deps, so, yes. It might mess up enough that your system won't boot =P. |
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| 14:51.26 | jnss | could someone help me track down what part of the kernel is responsible for this iwconfig ath5k crap |
| 14:51.34 | jnss | is it ath5k that's screwing me? |
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| 14:51.38 | wade | nope ok, that wont work. |
| 14:51.42 | dkay | !tell wols_ thanks :P |
| 14:51.46 | wols | jnss: probably. how is it screwing you? |
| 14:51.50 | wade | well now' |
| 14:51.55 | dkay | dpkg wont tell this :( |
| 14:51.56 | dpkg | i don't know, dkay |
| 14:52.04 | jnss | wols, it's not sending out wlan beacons when it gets into infrastructure mode |
| 14:52.06 | wade | where's that gun |
| 14:52.25 | dkay | dpkg stfu :P |
| 14:52.25 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP :P! |
| 14:52.27 | wols | jnss: IIRC you can even create an AP when you run ath5k... |
| 14:52.31 | jnss | lol |
| 14:52.36 | wade | first my friend, then my computer, then myself! aha! thanks anyway |
| 14:52.43 | jnss | wols, your last doesnt nparse |
| 14:52.56 | wols | wade: with the CPU, aim for the CPU. only way to be sure |
| 14:52.57 | jnss | did you mean to say i cant create? |
| 14:53.04 | wade | *snigger |
| 14:53.05 | wols | !hostap |
| 14:53.05 | dpkg | [hostap] the preferred driver for Intersil (now Conexant) Prism version 2/2.5/3 IEEE 802.11b chipsets. Included in Linux kernel since 2.6.14. Install the hostap-utils package to blacklist the <orinoco> driver. <WPA> support requires station firmware v1.7.4 or later. See also <prism firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/hostap . For the user-space access point, ask me about <hostapd>. |
| 14:53.15 | wols | !hostapd |
| 14:53.15 | dpkg | [hostapd] a user-space IEEE 802.11 access point (AP) and IEEE 802.11X/WPA/WPA2/EAP authenticator. Any mac80211 driver providing AP functionality is supported by hostapd's nl80211 (netlink) driver; hostapd 1:0.6.9-1 or later required (BTS #429734). See /usr/share/doc/hostapd/README.Debian for program invocation and driver version/firmware notes. See also http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd . http://w1.fi/hostapd/ |
| 14:53.30 | jnss | ykj3~3~hm |
| 14:53.38 | jnss | guess im in luck |
| 14:53.42 | jnss | thanks |
| 14:54.15 | lydgate | jelly-home: the weird thing is that xrandr says 50 Hz, and yesterday my screen said 50 Hz, but now screen reports 23 Hz and video doesn't play back smoothly |
| 14:54.41 | dkay | someone has expirience with compiling kernels on debian and could tell me which are recommendeable for gameservers? are there and üre built real time kernels via apt-get available? |
| 14:55.02 | dkay | are they any üre built* |
| 14:55.10 | dkay | pre* |
| 14:55.26 | hatta | you shouldn't need an rt kernel for a game server |
| 14:55.34 | dkay | ck then? |
| 14:55.45 | hatta | vanilla |
| 14:56.01 | wols | dkay: all debian kernels are preemptable. what more do you want? |
| 14:56.13 | jelly-home | TZ=1000 |
| 14:56.17 | dkay | preemtpable? my one now isnt realtime |
| 14:56.18 | wols | dkay: define "real time"? |
| 14:56.25 | dkay | 1000hz |
| 14:56.26 | dkay | ? |
| 14:56.29 | jelly-home | er, not TZ |
| 14:56.32 | dkay | i guess its the only difference |
| 14:56.36 | jelly-home | HZ. |
| 14:57.11 | wols | dkay: normal i386 kernels invoke the scheduler 250 times a minute. 1337 games like it to be invoked 1000 tmes per second |
| 14:57.13 | jelly-home | dkay: debian doesn't carry -rt patchset kernel binaries if that's what you're after |
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| 14:58.11 | dkay | wols_ lol, i was starting a cs:s server on 250 tick yesterday and it was crap! the doors opeining and close very slow! i wasnt able to play on 250 |
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| 14:58.45 | qfr | How do you enable SFTP for certain users only in sshd_config? |
| 14:58.59 | dkay | its a amd x2 4850 cpu with 2.5 ghz! only a 12 slot css server was running |
| 14:59.03 | iPac | http://test.com |
| 14:59.07 | iPac | hm |
| 14:59.45 | dkay | so, i guess its a wrong kernel setting |
| 15:00.00 | wade | godamn, sick sick SICK! |
| 15:00.09 | wade | i'll be back.... |
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| 15:00.39 | jelly-home | dkay: I'd start with a vanilla kernel and HZ=1000 |
| 15:00.54 | dkay | can u give me some links? |
| 15:01.03 | jelly-home | what for, exactly? |
| 15:01.12 | dkay | to the vanilla kernels |
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| 15:01.20 | jelly-home | uh... kernel.org? |
| 15:01.25 | dkay | oh ok |
| 15:01.34 | jelly-home | vanilla = simple, default |
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| 15:01.55 | dkay | i google about thnks |
| 15:01.58 | dkay | i try vanilla |
| 15:02.14 | dkay | i love vanilla ice cream ^^ but more banana milk |
| 15:02.39 | notme | why vanilla if chayote is even more tasteless? |
| 15:03.10 | notme | chayote is like an extra state of matter in water |
| 15:03.18 | wols | dkay: get the kernel source from kernel.org and start with it. what debian version do you run? |
| 15:03.31 | dkay | the latest lenny |
| 15:03.34 | dkay | 5.04? |
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| 15:08.25 | jnss | well hostapd is not what i want |
| 15:08.37 | jnss | just want adhoc wep to work |
| 15:08.42 | jnss | i'll take it from there |
| 15:08.56 | jnss | but it doesn't work in debian. it does works in fedora or centos |
| 15:09.06 | jnss | and im at a loss as to why that is the case |
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| 15:13.15 | jnss | google came to the rescue |
| 15:13.21 | jnss | guess i should have thought of that |
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| 15:14.47 | dkay | these are the vanilla kernels? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 15:14.59 | dkay | or these are vanilla kernels? |
| 15:15.08 | jnss | who is responsible for ath5k |
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| 15:15.55 | jnss | tsk |
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| 15:16.30 | Kin`Away | which is the best way to install debian from usb? |
| 15:16.54 | jelly-home | dkay: yes, that's linux kernel. |
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| 15:17.15 | Kin`Away | buonpomeriggio a tutti |
| 15:17.20 | dkay | the netinstall iso |
| 15:17.34 | dkay | Kin`Away |
| 15:17.38 | dkay | :) imo |
| 15:17.41 | dkay | just imo |
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| 15:19.55 | poisonbit | Kin`Away, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
| 15:20.12 | poisonbit | for example in amd64, the needed files are in: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 15:20.27 | dkay | is it possible to only change some settings on the current kernel? |
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| 15:20.36 | poisonbit | dkay, yes |
| 15:20.46 | poisonbit | dkay, your current kernel config is in /boot/ |
| 15:20.51 | jnss | the first cd has everything you need to install a server, aye? |
| 15:20.58 | poisonbit | you can use debian soirces, and debian config file |
| 15:21.02 | poisonbit | sources |
| 15:21.26 | poisonbit | jnss, base + ssh yes |
| 15:21.35 | jelly-home | jnss: it has everything you need to download more packages |
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| 15:22.06 | jnss | great |
| 15:22.21 | jnss | sick of the netinstall taking so long ;) |
| 15:23.40 | dkay | netinstall is downloading fast! only tar.gz files or bz2 files! they are pretty small! i need just 20 minutes for a netinstall with kde or gnome :=P the same lenght as windows xp from cd |
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| 15:23.56 | acu | hey guys how can I change the sound in iceweasel - from usb headphone to normal audio autput |
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| 15:24.57 | poisonbit | acu, I think that is not a iceweasel option, but a sound subsystem option (alsa, esd, whatever) or desktop preference (gnome, kde, etc) |
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| 15:28.42 | jnss | so im not seeing anythin# iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 15:28.50 | jnss | no results |
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| 15:29.02 | jnss | airodump is not showing any action either |
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| 15:29.15 | jnss | it's as if im in a cave or something |
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| 15:31.59 | poisonbit | before iwlist you can see dmesg |
| 15:32.34 | poisonbit | oh, anythin do you see the network card or wifi networks ? |
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| 15:33.27 | jnss | yeah |
| 15:33.32 | jnss | it does appear to be working |
| 15:33.34 | poisonbit | mmm you can see module options |
| 15:33.41 | jnss | [ 1593.981197] wlan0: No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS networks with same SSID (merge) |
| 15:33.47 | poisonbit | do you know which kernel module is the driver of wlan0 ? |
| 15:33.56 | jnss | ATH5K, I believe |
| 15:34.01 | poisonbit | modinfo modulename and see param: lines |
| 15:34.12 | poisonbit | good luck :) |
| 15:34.13 | jnss | interesting |
| 15:34.17 | jnss | haha thanks ;) |
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| 15:43.13 | djura-san | hi there |
| 15:43.28 | poisonbit | hi |
| 15:43.32 | djura-san | how to change keyboard layout sys wide? |
| 15:44.03 | djura-san | i can change it in X via setxkbmap but i spend some time in tty2 etc. and i cant use there my keyboard |
| 15:44.06 | poisonbit | dpkg-reconfure locale!%·$"%!% i don't remember the name |
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| 15:44.43 | poisonbit | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 15:44.58 | djura-san | okay will try that one |
| 15:44.59 | poisonbit | as root |
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| 15:45.12 | djura-san | goes to tty3 |
| 15:45.27 | eli_ | hello everybody |
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| 15:46.09 | eli_ | anyone with a good link for creating a bootable USB with debain? |
| 15:46.10 | poisonbit | hello |
| 15:46.21 | poisonbit | Kin`Away, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
| 15:46.25 | poisonbit | sorry |
| 15:46.32 | will | what is debain? |
| 15:46.44 | poisonbit | will, it depends |
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| 15:46.46 | eli_ | debian! |
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| 15:48.12 | djura-san | poisonbit: nope, that is not that |
| 15:48.26 | djura-san | i cant change kb layout by reconfiguring that package |
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| 15:49.22 | poisonbit | djura-san, look at /etc/init.d/keymap.sh reload or restart ? |
| 15:50.04 | poisonbit | maybe that after reconfigure options you need to restart "something" |
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| 15:51.15 | eli_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FirstStepsUSB is this a good tutorial? |
| 15:51.49 | poisonbit | yes if you are looking for a _live_ system from usb |
| 15:52.03 | poisonbit | like livecd |
| 15:52.46 | djura-san | i didi it |
| 15:52.48 | poisonbit | as I know, all under /DebianLive/ in the wiki is well mantained |
| 15:52.49 | djura-san | *did |
| 15:53.10 | djura-san | i used elinks for the first time in tty3 :> and i reconfigured "console-data" package |
| 15:53.14 | djura-san | worked fine for me :) |
| 15:53.18 | djura-san | ty poisonbit |
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| 15:54.05 | eli_ | if I would like to create a usb which I could install debian from, would that be the right tutorial |
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| 15:55.19 | poisonbit | eli_, for the debian-installer you can see this other link: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
| 15:55.43 | poisonbit | that is the url of the evening, third time i ppost it |
| 15:56.37 | eli_ | sorry I must have missed it |
| 15:58.35 | eli_ | I'm a little new with xchat |
| 15:58.52 | eli_ | guess it label any one who writes to me with yellow |
| 15:59.04 | macrobat | eli_: test |
| 15:59.09 | macrobat | :) |
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| 15:59.21 | eli_ | yes it does |
| 15:59.48 | eli_ | could you write my name in middle of an sentence |
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| 16:01.11 | macrobat | i trust xchat will recognize the eli_ nick |
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| 16:08.39 | eli_ | yes it did |
| 16:09.40 | eli_ | is there a program like "USB startup disk creator" which ubuntu has but for debian? |
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| 16:13.57 | eli_ | were is everyone? |
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| 16:14.54 | poisonbit | at everyplace |
| 16:17.05 | eli_ | how could I know which debian image I should download? |
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| 16:17.25 | eli_ | there's a dozen of them |
| 16:17.33 | d1b | what? |
| 16:17.40 | d1b | eli_: well there is live magic |
| 16:17.47 | d1b | erh um ill find it |
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| 16:18.06 | eli_ | dlb live magic what's that? |
| 16:18.18 | d1b | apt: live-magic |
| 16:18.22 | d1b | !live-magic |
| 16:18.30 | d1b | dpkg: hi |
| 16:18.30 | dpkg | privet |
| 16:18.38 | d1b | dpkg: live-magic |
| 16:18.38 | dpkg | d1b: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:18.39 | eli_ | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable Im here and really dont know which one to chose |
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| 16:19.09 | d1b | http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 16:29.09 | macrobat | eli_: what processor do you have? |
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| 16:33.21 | eli_ | macrobat: how could I check it out? |
| 16:33.26 | macrobat | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:33.32 | eli_ | ok |
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| 16:35.11 | eli_ | model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz |
| 16:35.18 | eli_ | that's my processor |
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| 16:36.01 | notme | that's i386 eli_ |
| 16:36.43 | eli_ | thanks! |
| 16:37.21 | notme | eli_ i think it runs amd64 as well.. if you want 64-bits |
| 16:37.45 | eli_ | notme: It's just 32 bit my processor |
| 16:38.03 | eli_ | notme: is it easy to create a usb bootable image? |
| 16:38.31 | eli_ | Im looking at this tutorial but it isn't easy http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
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| 16:41.05 | poisonbit | eli_, download: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 16:41.08 | notme | i've never done it.. but it shouldn't be very hard |
| 16:41.10 | siriusnova | Hi |
| 16:41.23 | siriusnova | Guys I am trying to compile umurmur and im getting the following compilation error |
| 16:41.33 | notme | i've installed it in a usb once.. |
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| 16:41.36 | siriusnova | http://pastebin.com/Aw1XkUXf |
| 16:41.36 | poisonbit | then as root: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX <-- ehre X is the usb drive letter sda, sdb, sdc... |
| 16:41.40 | siriusnova | can anyone help? |
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| 16:42.23 | siriusnova | i have libssl-dev installed |
| 16:42.23 | poisonbit | eli_, and then take out the usb, insert again and copy a debian installer iso image for i386 in the usb partition |
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| 16:42.42 | hdtdi | hi.. is this the right place to ask something about debian installed on android ? |
| 16:43.29 | eli_ | ok poisonbit I'll look at you tutorial |
| 16:43.54 | poisonbit | good luck |
| 16:44.41 | poisonbit | eli_, be careful about the sdX drive letter |
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| 16:44.51 | poisonbit | dont wipe your primary disk |
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| 16:46.30 | hdtdi | i will ask anyway :) |
| 16:46.36 | hdtdi | i am trying to install iceWM for debian on htc g1 and i follow this tutorial http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=1620 its old but.. i installed tightvncserver but in the instruction is written "vncserver -geometry 480x320" and i dont have vncserver.. i have tightvncserver.. but when i try "tightvncserver -geometry 480x320" i this error messgae "tightvncserver: couldnt find "vncpassword" on your PATH ? |
| 16:46.44 | eli_ | ok poisonbit |
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| 16:47.06 | Meryll | :0 |
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| 16:48.07 | amastah | hi |
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| 16:48.29 | dkay | hello #debian: "change preemption mode to complete preemption real time!" but my kernel settings only offer me 1) "no forced preemption" 2) "voluntary kernel preemption" 3) "preemtible kernel" |
| 16:48.40 | dkay | which of these are complete preemtion? |
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| 16:49.24 | notme | the 3rd? |
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| 16:49.46 | dkay | Preemtible Kernel (Low Latency Desktop)? |
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| 16:50.05 | poisonbit | that is the most agresive preemption |
| 16:50.14 | dkay | i thought it would be Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) |
| 16:50.17 | poisonbit | time ago, last time I compiled a kernel, there was 2 options |
| 16:50.27 | poisonbit | one for enable/disable, other for the level |
| 16:51.22 | dkay | ive choosen 3rd. but why it isnt called realtime or complete preemption? |
| 16:51.32 | poisonbit | I mean, that the 3 aoptions will give you a preemtible kernel |
| 16:51.48 | dkay | its called preemtible kernel |
| 16:51.58 | dkay | so i guess, option 3 will give me preemtible kernel ? |
| 16:52.12 | poisonbit | yes |
| 16:52.27 | dkay | preemtible = realtime |
| 16:52.38 | poisonbit | mmmm don't know about realtime |
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| 16:52.50 | dkay | complete preemption |
| 16:52.52 | dkay | :( |
| 16:52.52 | notme | dkay https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO |
| 16:52.58 | dkay | my last kernel has had this option |
| 16:52.59 | notme | you need a patch |
| 16:53.02 | dkay | :( why this not |
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| 16:53.22 | dkay | uhm |
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| 16:53.27 | dkay | ck patch? |
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| 16:53.55 | dkay | someone said i dont need a rt patched one |
| 16:54.00 | vinu | hi... |
| 16:55.05 | poisonbit | "However, kernel preemption is just one of several necessary conditions for implementing an effective real-time scheduler." http://oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/chapter/ch10.html |
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| 16:58.02 | K1ng\ | hi |
| 16:58.20 | K1ng\ | can anyone tell me where to get .bashrc? |
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| 16:59.22 | cahoot | there's probably a template in /etc/skel |
| 17:00.23 | poisonbit | template for plain users |
| 17:00.39 | poisonbit | (i.e. diferent $PATH than root) |
| 17:01.04 | ehnvis | K1ng\: you create it yourself. |
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| 17:03.32 | dkay | what is the difference between "tar xvfz" and "tar zxf"`? |
| 17:03.47 | notme | verbose |
| 17:03.54 | notme | it tells you what it's doing |
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| 17:04.07 | dkay | it just shows me the list with v |
| 17:04.23 | notme | exactly |
| 17:04.44 | dkay | tar cvf, tar xvf for tar and cvfz xvfz for tar.gz is allways correct |
| 17:04.45 | dkay | ok |
| 17:04.49 | notme | oh |
| 17:04.59 | notme | i see... i think -f has to be the last argument before the file |
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| 17:05.59 | notme | there's also j for bzip2 |
| 17:05.59 | hayleyw | i have a chroot, and i need a program in that chroot to launch a program on the main system (not in the chroot). how can i do this? |
| 17:06.06 | dkay | really? have had no problems with xvfz |
| 17:06.25 | dkay | for .gz files i always use cvfz or xvfz |
| 17:06.38 | notme | dkay if you use a "-" before the options, -f needs to be the last |
| 17:06.42 | dkay | but it should be cvzf xvzf? |
| 17:06.50 | dkay | no i dont |
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| 17:06.54 | notme | without the - it doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 17:06.56 | dkay | i just type in tar cvdf |
| 17:07.27 | dkay | ye,it only has to create or extract the files and folders in the same structure |
| 17:07.50 | dkay | ok |
| 17:07.51 | dkay | thnks |
| 17:08.06 | notme | np |
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| 17:11.08 | Argafal | i'm going to try out sip communicator. i was also trying to see if there is any reason for it not to be in unstable, but i couldn't find any mail/bugreport/proof that someone else would be interested in that. am i mistaken and did not see some issue or is it just not a ppopular choice (so far)? |
| 17:11.09 | dkay | notme, poisonbit, with the ck patch i have the realtime premtpion |
| 17:11.10 | dkay | thnks |
| 17:14.04 | poisonbit | what could said einstein about "real time" ck patchs? |
| 17:14.09 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 17:20.24 | porchiepie | hi |
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| 17:21.05 | Gnurdux | hey how do I search for a string in Vim? |
| 17:21.27 | karter | \/<string> |
| 17:22.57 | karter | what's a good command line module to generate long passwords? |
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| 17:24.10 | krisfremen | karter: sha512sum ? |
| 17:24.47 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.com/4EYzBwGJ |
| 17:24.53 | Gnurdux | whoops |
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| 17:25.23 | krisfremen | hmm, i'm having a little bit of a problem with vncserver, and the text and such is garbled when viewed over vnc |
| 17:25.33 | cahoot | karter: pwgen? |
| 17:26.08 | karter | cahoot: thanks! |
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| 17:28.22 | dkay | poisonbit no idea? |
| 17:28.49 | dkay | wahts the difference between the rt and ck patches |
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| 17:29.28 | poisonbit | I said the same that some lines ago... "mmmm don't know about realtime" |
| 17:29.34 | poisonbit | :) |
| 17:29.35 | dkay | right now i patched the 2.6.33.3 kernel with the rt 2.6.33.3 patch |
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| 17:30.34 | dkay | and added the old config and changed the neccessary option hope it works |
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| 17:31.20 | dkay | and it makes and makes :) last time it was a long time to execute the make command |
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| 17:32.06 | karter | is htpasswd installed automatically and available in the commandline when I install apache ? |
| 17:32.10 | abrotman | dkay: maybe ask ##kernel |
| 17:32.16 | abrotman | !tell karter about apt-file |
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| 17:33.25 | poisonbit | karter, apache2-utils i think |
| 17:34.08 | karter | ah ok thanks |
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| 17:37.27 | poisonbit | dpkg -S $(whereis htpasswd) in a machine where is installed, is other way to have apt-file. If dont, http://packages.debian.org has custom search options |
| 17:37.28 | dpkg | There is no record of a $(whereis htpasswd) in a machine where is installed, is other way to have apt-file. If dont, http://packages.debian.org has custom search options package |
| 17:37.35 | poisonbit | ouch |
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| 17:38.57 | dkay | lol |
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| 17:39.03 | dvs | heh |
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| 17:42.50 | speaker | Hey guys, I'm having some trouble reinstalling, uninstalling or installing some of my courier packages. I have ran through a lot of the troubleshooting steps google has revealed. Here is the output of dpkg --configure -a (http://www.pastebin.org/198222) can anyone lend me a hand? |
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| 17:45.21 | poisonbit | speaker, If no solutions, you can try to backup config files/logs/etc and then purge the packages and make a clean install |
| 17:45.26 | djura-san | im off. bais |
| 17:45.35 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.52 | federico2 | is looking for contributors for an alternative web interface to BTS written in Python |
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| 17:46.15 | abrotman_ | why isn't courier-imap configured ? |
| 17:46.22 | wols | speaker: apt-get -f install ? |
| 17:47.11 | speaker | poisonbit, I can not purge remove courier-imap-ssl or any of the other associated packages. I get |
| 17:47.14 | speaker | /etc/courier/imapd: line 365: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' |
| 17:47.17 | speaker | invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "start" failed. |
| 17:47.20 | speaker | dpkg: error processing courier-imap (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 17:47.21 | dpkg | speaker: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:47.24 | wols | alternatively, use dpkg with --force options to uninstall both courier packages and then apt-get -f install |
| 17:47.34 | speaker | I have tried apt-get -f install it did not appear to resolve any of the issues |
| 17:47.38 | wols | speaker: check your logs why it failed |
| 17:47.40 | speaker | wols, I shall try that |
| 17:47.57 | wols | speaker: check why courier-imap failed to start first |
| 17:48.08 | Bushmills | speaker: was that an upgrade, which an older config on your system? |
| 17:48.12 | Bushmills | with ... |
| 17:48.13 | poisonbit | /etc/courier/imapd: line 365: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' <-- seems a quoting issue in that file |
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| 17:48.40 | speaker | poisonbit: ah, that's waht the means. Sorry getting tired here. I'll take a look at it |
| 17:49.04 | speaker | Bushmills: No upgrades, I just wanted to purge remove the other day to start fresh and it started throwing this error. |
| 17:49.10 | Bushmills | an editor with syntax highlighting will be helpful |
| 17:49.20 | Bushmills | joe can do some shell script syntax highlighting |
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| 17:51.07 | speaker | This is especially strange however, becaus I am 99% sure I did not modify imapd. Ah well |
| 17:51.10 | rgr | whats the proper way to start off a process when the network is up? e.g I want to run offlineimap in "daemon mode" when online. |
| 17:51.21 | Bushmills | hm.. for purging, you might well just put an exit 0 on line 2 |
| 17:51.27 | poisonbit | rgr, interfaces |
| 17:51.51 | poisonbit | rgr, in (etc/network/interfaces, in the most proper interface a post-up line |
| 17:51.52 | speaker | There |
| 17:51.56 | speaker | *There's a thought |
| 17:53.02 | rgr | and how to run it as my user though? |
| 17:53.21 | poisonbit | mm make a wrper script to launch with sudo |
| 17:53.35 | Bushmills | rgr: up script in /etc/network/interfaces is one way |
| 17:53.40 | poisonbit | post-up /path/to/your/wrapper.sh |
| 17:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: How's ono.com about static IP's? |
| 17:53.46 | rgr | aha ok |
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| 17:54.03 | Bushmills | script in if-up.d is another |
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| 17:54.14 | poisonbit | jhutchins, I've dinamic, don't know about |
| 17:54.24 | poisonbit | jhutchins_lt, ^^ |
| 17:54.43 | poisonbit | rgr, anyway th wrapper is not a bad idea |
| 17:54.44 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: It's all me ;) |
| 17:54.53 | speaker | all, thanks for the help, I'm up and running again! |
| 17:55.07 | Bushmills | easy cake |
| 17:55.08 | poisonbit | rgr, because "an interface up" is not the same as "the provider in the other end working" |
| 17:55.15 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: telmex is horrible. You can pay for one, but actually getting it set up is impossible. |
| 17:55.39 | poisonbit | jhutchins_lt, I've dinamic + dyndns at home |
| 17:55.55 | poisonbit | jhutchins_lt, in spain ono sell ip ranges to companys |
| 17:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | That's what we ended up with in Puerto Pennasco. |
| 17:56.12 | karter | I've setup vsftp as per here..and the directory for the user exists..but I get cannot change directory /var/sites/$USER error - any ideas? |
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| 17:56.48 | karter | http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
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| 17:57.44 | Bushmills | /var/www/sites/bob != /var/sites/... |
| 17:58.43 | karter | well - i am not using /var/www |
| 17:58.50 | karter | i am using /var/sites |
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| 18:00.44 | Bushmills | wrong permissions |
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| 18:02.23 | cafaro | Hi, anyone has a good guide to upgrade to squeeze from lenny? do I have to do dist-upgrade? or aptitude update (and editing sources.list), and do I have to upgrade the kernel as well? |
| 18:02.24 | karter | i did chmod +w /var/sites/<alice> - anything else? |
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| 18:03.55 | chrissbx | Hello. I'm in the testing installer reinstalling an old laptop; I've overwritten hda with zeroes so as to remove all traces; now the kernel still has logical volumes hanging around, and lvremove will just say it couldn't be found; |
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| 18:04.29 | chrissbx | and the partitioner in the installer will not allow me to delete them either and neither does it allow me to continue because it is getting some errors. |
| 18:04.33 | rgr | I didnt have a line in my interfaces file wlan0. Is it enough to just add "iface wlan0" to section the post-up line? |
| 18:04.55 | abrotman | man interfaces ? |
| 18:05.02 | wols | chrissbx: what was the command you used to overwrite hda? |
| 18:05.06 | rgr | there is a lot there... |
| 18:05.10 | chrissbx | I've been cursing at the partitioner from the installer a couple of times already; anyway, is there any way to either force the partitioner to restart from scratch, or to make the kernel forget about all lvm groups and volumes? |
| 18:05.16 | nkuttler | rgr: isn't that great? |
| 18:05.19 | chrissbx | wols cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda |
| 18:05.39 | rgr | sorry, i was under the impression this was a help channel. Thanks anyway. |
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| 18:07.22 | karter | I get the error as $USER, instead of bob or alice, so I am guessing the variable is not getting set..is there something I need to do to set the value of $USER ? |
| 18:07.58 | Bushmills | chrissbx: was the file system on that drive still mounted? |
| 18:08.11 | chrissbx | Bushmills: no. |
| 18:08.29 | Chaos|Baghdad | have you guys heard of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Kernel |
| 18:09.04 | karter | ah ..i missed a line in the config file |
| 18:09.06 | Bushmills | karter: only writing but no r or x on a directory will user not allow to change to it nor see its contents |
| 18:09.06 | karter | works now |
| 18:09.20 | chrissbx | As I said, the only problem is that pvscan already ran before I did the erase, and the kernel just won't realize that it has to forget about the pv and associated lvm group an lv's. |
| 18:09.24 | karter | bushmills: it had NOTHING to do with permissions |
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| 18:10.13 | chrissbx | running pvscan again doesn't help; I need some way to lvremove and vgremove directly, without those tools scanning the disks themselves then aborting because they can't find them. Stupid tools. |
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| 18:11.20 | Bushmills | karter: evidently not, seems like you messed up the config file instead. hard to guess, I'll try that first the next time. |
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| 18:12.17 | chrissbx | restarts installation |
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| 18:14.35 | dkay | #debian, how much files should i have when finish a kernel compile? |
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| 18:15.45 | Argafal | is getting disappointed. i spent some hours now playing with sip software. researching and compiling different programms. isn't there ANYTHING i can use to substitute skype for video chatting with my friends? |
| 18:16.13 | Chaos|Baghdad | dkay: you only really need to worry about two files after you compile, unless you're doing it the debian way |
| 18:16.32 | Bushmills | dkay: just in your /usr/src dir? |
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| 18:16.55 | wols | dkay: one. a .deb |
| 18:16.57 | Chaos|Baghdad | dkay: if you're lazy like me, although I use debian, when I build my kernel I type, make bzImage modules modules_install install && init 6 |
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| 18:17.18 | wols | dkay: not strictly true I guess. you should have 2: kernel-image and kernel-headers |
| 18:17.25 | cahoot | Chaos|Baghdad: that's not lazy - that's redundant work |
| 18:17.33 | wols | Chaos|Baghdad: that's stupid |
| 18:17.36 | Chaos|Baghdad | cahoot: not if you don't make a .deb out of it |
| 18:17.46 | Bushmills | 69854 i have, just finished kernel compilation from fresh source 10 min ago |
| 18:17.47 | Chaos|Baghdad | I don't make a .deb out of it |
| 18:18.03 | dkay | hm, this was my way. dont know if it is debian way |
| 18:18.04 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/198266 |
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| 18:18.17 | wols | Chaos|Baghdad: make-kpkg binary-arch. done |
| 18:18.19 | MeglaW | hum |
| 18:18.24 | cahoot | Chaos|Baghdad: anyway the debian method is for lazy people |
| 18:18.30 | MeglaW | can i "reset" a installed system |
| 18:18.37 | MeglaW | so it is like it was just installed |
| 18:18.54 | wols | dkay: use kernel-package instead |
| 18:18.56 | Bushmills | yes. it is called "restore from backup" |
| 18:19.01 | wols | dkay: after make menuconfig |
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| 18:19.33 | Chaos|Baghdad | dkay: make sure you still have another kernel build that works fine beforehand, don't get rid of the old one till you know the new one works |
| 18:19.33 | MeglaW | Bushmills: does it make a backup when it was freshly installed? |
| 18:19.42 | MeglaW | auto |
| 18:19.45 | wols | MeglaW: no |
| 18:19.52 | Bushmills | "it"? |
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| 18:20.10 | Bushmills | responsable to backup is the operator's one |
| 18:20.15 | dkay | Chaos|Baghdad yes, sure, thnks. using grub fallback |
| 18:20.19 | MeglaW | no it does not or "no thats not possible, you better just do a fresh install if you want that" |
| 18:20.26 | wols | dkay: no need for grub fallback |
| 18:20.31 | Chaos|Baghdad | wols: then you still have to call on dpkg to install your .deb kernel, do you not? |
| 18:21.07 | wols | Chaos|Baghdad: yes. and more importantly you can also uninstall it |
| 18:21.26 | cahoot | Chaos|Baghdad: and it fixes your grub |
| 18:21.36 | wols | and creates the initrd as needed |
| 18:21.56 | Chaos|Baghdad | initrd isn't really NEEDED though |
| 18:22.06 | dkay | wols how to use kernel-package after menu config? |
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| 18:22.20 | wols | !tell dkay about kp-mantra |
| 18:22.21 | cahoot | Chaos|Baghdad: so the debian method is for smart and lazy people |
| 18:22.36 | dvs | applauds cahoot |
| 18:22.43 | wols | dkay: tho I already told you above |
| 18:23.02 | Chaos|Baghdad | dkay: make-kpkg binary-arch && dpkg -i nameofpackageofkernelhere.deb |
| 18:23.38 | chrissbx | Is there anyone working on the installer? |
| 18:23.39 | dkay | wols, this is a kernel-package using tutorial? http://hihn.org/2008/12/eigenen-kernel-unter-debian-lenny-kompilieren/ |
| 18:23.47 | chrissbx | I mean, present here |
| 18:23.59 | wols | dkay: probably. but there is one under /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 18:24.00 | cafaro | When upgrading from lenny to squeeze, do I also have to change the lenny/volatile lines to squeeze/volatile, or just the ftp/security lines (sources.list)? |
| 18:24.17 | wols | !tell cafaro about lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:24.47 | Chaos|Baghdad | real men use sid |
| 18:25.24 | wols | and we sincerely hope they don't come here when they do |
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| 18:25.36 | cafaro | wols: thanks |
| 18:25.38 | Chaos|Baghdad | haha |
| 18:25.46 | Chaos|Baghdad | I like you wols |
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| 18:31.11 | rcbarnes | I'm having a nasty time tracking down what has killed my copy of xorg. Could someone lend a hand? I copied some key configs here (as well as the log and a random file that ends up in my home dir): www.hci-matters.com/public/xorg_troubles/ |
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| 18:33.02 | wols | rcbarnes: checked your xorg log yet? |
| 18:33.09 | rcbarnes | To clarify what's going on, my screen goes blank (but stays on), and my system no longer accepts keyboard/mouse input. However, I can ssh in just fine. |
| 18:33.29 | rcbarnes | wols: I looked through it, but I can't tell where the warnings are originating. |
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| 18:34.50 | Chaos|Baghdad | rcbarnes: this is kinda random, but if you don't plug cat5 in and try to boot it, does it do the same thing? |
| 18:35.48 | rcbarnes | Um, I don't know, but I don't think so. Some of the boots were net-less, I'm sure. |
| 18:36.14 | rcbarnes | Chaos|Baghdad: what are you thinking? |
| 18:36.55 | wols | rcbarnes: pastebin the log |
| 18:37.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | rcbarnes: my laptop started acting funny when I was back home and doing that when I had it plugged into the router back home and only that one for whatever reason |
| 18:38.23 | wols | Chaos|Baghdad: tainted kernels are great! |
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| 18:39.01 | Chaos|Baghdad | wols: :D it was the same kernel I ran before that worked just fine before Iraq |
| 18:39.45 | dvs | Chaos|Baghdad: Maybe the kernel was never the same since. ;-) |
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| 18:40.05 | Chaos|Baghdad | dvs: yeah, maybe the kernel has ptsd |
| 18:40.39 | TehRabbitt | anyone here familiar with asterisk? |
| 18:40.39 | rcbarnes | wols: Here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/2svab9pP |
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| 18:42.10 | wols | rcbarnes: your X isn't called properly it seems. see the first few lines |
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| 18:43.13 | Chaos|Baghdad | wols: what about his ACPI |
| 18:43.16 | TehRabbitt | I'm trying to set up a Cisco 7921G IP phone on my LAN using asterisk and i can't get it working :-\ |
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| 18:43.56 | rcbarnes | actually, that began before this full-on mess and I didn't have issues until today. I would fix it as a matter of good care, but I can't seem to find anywhere that the X calls are done wrong. How would I find it? |
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| 18:44.13 | Chaos|Baghdad | wols: I've had issues with ACPI where I had to use the kernel to get a tarball of it, disassemble it, recompile with an intel asm compiler, see the errors, and fix the ones MS didn't catch, then recompile, then tell the kernel to use them manually |
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| 18:49.19 | fantasticulous | hey guys which package contains the man pages for system calls such as stat() and libc calls such as printf() |
| 18:49.48 | Chunky_Ks | manpages-posix |
| 18:49.55 | Chunky_Ks | and manpages-posix-dev, IIRC |
| 18:50.03 | Chunky_Ks | they're in non-free though |
| 18:50.08 | TehRabbitt | does anyone know about asterisk? |
| 18:50.10 | fantasticulous | why the hell? |
| 18:50.15 | chrissbx | I wonder whether there is a "manual" Debian installer: one where you can more easily intervene, or work around bugs; and which could run in say a screen session. Etc. |
| 18:50.34 | fantasticulous | Chunky_Ks: well it worked, thanks. |
| 18:50.37 | Chunky_Ks | welcome |
| 18:50.45 | dvs | chrissbx: I thought that was an expert install |
| 18:50.49 | Chunky_Ks | and the reasoning is presumably because they don't meed the debian fsg |
| 18:51.12 | chrissbx | dvs: oh. Does this come on the installer CD's? |
| 18:51.12 | TehRabbitt | chrissbx: manual installer? how is that different from the step by step install that you can customize partitions etc? |
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| 18:51.26 | chrissbx | TehRabbitt: it's too broken :~D |
| 18:51.39 | dvs | chrissbx: yes, it's an option on the linux line |
| 18:51.44 | abrotman | fantasticulous: there's a #asterisk |
| 18:51.47 | abrotman | fantasticulous: manpages-dev |
| 18:51.53 | chrissbx | TehRabbitt: and as I said, for example how would you run the normal installer under screen, for remote logins? With bash so you can work? etc etc |
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| 18:51.59 | abrotman | Chunky_Ks: the man pages aren't in non-free |
| 18:52.01 | TehRabbitt | chrissbx: Ah |
| 18:52.05 | fantasticulous | abrotman: too late, i already install posix-man-dev |
| 18:52.11 | fantasticulous | manpages-posix-dev |
| 18:52.14 | fantasticulous | and it worked |
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| 18:52.31 | fantasticulous | s/install/installed/ |
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| 18:52.53 | devious | chrissbx: dselect is the classic way to install. Give it a try! |
| 18:52.53 | abrotman | well, manpages-dev isn't in non-free |
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| 18:53.12 | Chaos|Baghdad | dselect? |
| 18:53.29 | Chaos|Baghdad | I've always used dpkg, apt-get, and apt-cache |
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| 18:53.43 | abrotman | please don't use dselect |
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| 18:54.02 | simonrvn | aptitude is dselect's younger brother/sister, and has better skills |
| 18:54.02 | devious | I should emphisize that was a joke. |
| 18:54.12 | simonrvn | thought so |
| 18:54.34 | dvs | thought it was a mean joke! ;-) |
| 18:54.35 | simonrvn | empha* |
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| 18:59.33 | Chaos|Baghdad | I don't even use aptitude |
| 18:59.38 | Chaos|Baghdad | there's no real need |
| 18:59.49 | fefo | it's your decision |
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| 19:00.07 | fefo | i would say there is a _real_ need |
| 19:00.11 | Chaos|Baghdad | if you start using front ends for shit like that it's like giving a poor person a million dollars, a whole day, and sending them to the mall |
| 19:00.12 | fefo | but.. ;) |
| 19:00.14 | dvs | Chaos|Baghdad: aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 19:00.16 | Chaos|Baghdad | they'll get all kinds of dumb shit they don't need |
| 19:00.19 | fefo | Chaos|Baghdad: ?? |
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| 19:00.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | you'll start grabbing shit off the selves like man that sounds kinda cool |
| 19:00.31 | fefo | Chaos|Baghdad: it is not about that ncurses shit |
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| 19:00.44 | Chaos|Baghdad | I'm not talking about ncurses lol |
| 19:00.45 | fefo | you could give it args via commandline |
| 19:01.18 | fefo | than sorry I misunderstood this: 21:00:10 < Chaos|Baghdad> if you start using front ends for shit like that it's like giving a poor person.. |
| 19:01.22 | Chaos|Baghdad | hmmm, in that case I suppose, but why would aptitude as commandline be recommended over apt-get |
| 19:01.38 | dvs | Chaos|Baghdad: better conflist resolution |
| 19:01.42 | dvs | *conflict |
| 19:02.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | fefo: don't give your wife a budget and tell her she can go shopping, watch what happens |
| 19:02.12 | Chaos|Baghdad | fefo: you'll be broke |
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| 19:02.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | fefo: if you have millions of options at your fingertips you're likely to see things jump out at you that you have no real need for that you'll just accumulate |
| 19:02.46 | fefo | god thanks I dont have a wife |
| 19:02.46 | Chaos|Baghdad | I've done it before |
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| 19:02.54 | Chaos|Baghdad | hah, I do |
| 19:02.57 | Chaos|Baghdad | I'm always broke |
| 19:03.15 | fefo | Chaos|Baghdad: but.. aptitude is resolving dependencies in other way than apt-get |
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| 19:03.35 | fefo | and therefor it is recommended for debian 5+ |
| 19:03.39 | fefo | lenny, sid ... |
| 19:03.40 | dkay | why using apt-get or aptitude! using aliases best way imo :P |
| 19:03.41 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/198318 |
| 19:03.57 | fefo | why using debian anyway |
| 19:04.00 | dkay | and so on |
| 19:04.03 | wols | why aptitude |
| 19:04.07 | wols | !why aptitude |
| 19:04.08 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 19:04.17 | fefo | I am using FreeBSD for a decade and I haven't had any problem yet ;) |
| 19:04.20 | dkay | debian is a good supported linux distros :=) |
| 19:04.26 | dkay | -s |
| 19:05.04 | abrotman | Chaos|Baghdad: please use #debian-offtopic for general chatter |
| 19:05.11 | dkay | wols, my aliases are set to aptitude! but no need to care about apt-get or aptitude cause my aliases are get-app=aptitude install |
| 19:05.54 | dkay | when someday a better package management is available i change my aliases |
| 19:06.03 | fefo | dkay: wanna-app=aptitude install ... |
| 19:06.09 | dkay | ye |
| 19:06.13 | dkay | gimme |
| 19:06.15 | dkay | :P |
| 19:06.16 | fefo | wanna-app -bitch aptitude --force install |
| 19:06.17 | fefo | .. |
| 19:06.24 | Chaos|Baghdad | apt-get has super cow powers though, lest you forget |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | Chaos|Baghdad: aptitude -vvvvv |
| 19:06.48 | fefo | i could go on but i am going to have a bath instead ; |
| 19:07.01 | dvs | plugs his nose |
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| 19:11.35 | dkay | also imo "alias ..='cd ../'" and "alias ...='cd ../../'" is a nice alias to use |
| 19:11.49 | aleray | hi, my system is in french and I get question marks instead of accentuated letters. I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales to set my system UTF-8 but it doesn't improve anything |
| 19:11.51 | aleray | any idea ? |
| 19:11.52 | dkay | :P i began with opensuse :P |
| 19:12.18 | wols | aleray: looks like a console fonts problem? |
| 19:12.31 | aleray | oh yes maybe |
| 19:12.35 | wols | if this is in the console and not xterm. also, bash might not be set up for 8bit characters |
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| 19:12.53 | aleray | wols: (I'm using zshell) |
| 19:13.12 | aleray | i'm connected remotly via ssh to the machine |
| 19:13.42 | Argafal | how can i verify that my video driver support Xv overlays? The driver claims it does but i have issue with a video so i'd like to exclude that this might be the reason. |
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| 19:17.48 | simonrvn | aleray: the fonts would be a local issue, and remote would be locale and its settings |
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| 19:18.42 | usamahashimi | hi |
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| 19:19.18 | usamahashimi | i want to give kernel option to use vesa as video driver, should i use "video=vesa" in grub or simply "vesa"? |
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| 19:19.44 | aleray | simonrvn: i run dpkg-reconfigure and generated the locales for EN and FR everything is in utf-8 in `locale` |
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| 19:20.04 | aleray | simonrvn: what else can I try ? |
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| 19:21.21 | simonrvn | re-read what i said and what wols said |
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| 19:23.18 | aleray | simonrvn: I guess there is somthing wrong with my settings but don't know what to do/check |
| 19:23.38 | simonrvn | usamahashimi: video=vesafb or the like or vga=vesa possibly |
| 19:23.58 | simonrvn | the. font. it must support utf-8. |
| 19:24.24 | usamahashimi | simonrvn, thanks :) whats the difference b/w vesa and vesafb? |
| 19:24.39 | simonrvn | fb == framebuffer |
| 19:25.18 | simonrvn | due to kms getting more integrated everything is moving to framebuffer |
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| 19:25.40 | simonrvn | 2.6.33.2-acahkos |
| 19:25.47 | usamahashimi | simonrvn, yes, i know that its framebuffer, but what it adds? fancy screen at terminal? |
| 19:26.02 | Bushmills | fbterm |
| 19:26.05 | simonrvn | you won't see a difference most likely |
| 19:26.23 | avar | http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242 |
| 19:26.38 | Bushmills | and qingy |
| 19:26.38 | simonrvn | like Bushmills said (hi btw Bushmills, ltns) you can use something like fbterm |
| 19:26.48 | Bushmills | but fbterm is very cool |
| 19:27.01 | simonrvn | it is |
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| 19:27.19 | usamahashimi | Bushmills, video=fbterm? or vga=fbterm? |
| 19:27.31 | Bushmills | package fbterm |
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| 19:27.52 | usamahashimi | Bushmills, so first i have to install it? |
| 19:27.58 | Bushmills | indeed |
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| 19:28.08 | Bushmills | how did you guess? |
| 19:28.10 | usamahashimi | Bushmills, lemme install it :) |
| 19:28.14 | Chaos|Baghdad | I gtg, peace out |
| 19:28.34 | aleray | simonrvn: indeed from another computer everything is fine! |
| 19:28.39 | aleray | thanks |
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| 19:28.42 | simonrvn | and no you wouldn't put that as a video= or vga= option. it's not a video driver. |
| 19:31.03 | usamahashimi | Bushmills, fbterm installed, now can i use the video or vga option? |
| 19:31.23 | simonrvn | nice thing with fbterm/qingy is that you can pick an x font |
| 19:31.52 | simonrvn | thinks usamahashimi is confused |
| 19:31.55 | dvs | picks dingbats for a terminal font |
| 19:32.10 | Bushmills | try: fbterm -s 48 |
| 19:32.24 | simonrvn | hehe dvs |
| 19:32.50 | Bushmills | or should that have been fbterm -s 8 ... |
| 19:33.10 | usamahashimi | simonrvn, yes, i am a lot confused :D |
| 19:33.26 | simonrvn | haha forgot what the -s option does |
| 19:33.37 | simonrvn | hehe 48 :) |
| 19:33.45 | usamahashimi | actually i am confused that do i have to use the fbterm in grub or somewhere else |
| 19:34.31 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:34.38 | simonrvn | 2 different things |
| 19:35.09 | usamahashimi | simonrvn, so can you guide me about that? |
| 19:36.34 | dkay | #debian! make kpkg clean , fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --apend-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers gives me this after compiling |
| 19:36.35 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/198362 |
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| 19:36.53 | simonrvn | 15:23:38 simonrvn | usamahashimi: video=vesafb or the like or vga=vesa possibly |
| 19:36.58 | simonrvn | i already did |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | # |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | # |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | does not match current version: |
| 19:36.59 | dkay | # |
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| 19:37.18 | simonrvn | !tell dkay -about paste |
| 19:37.18 | dkay | huh ? i used /msg dpkg |
| 19:37.20 | dkay | :( |
| 19:39.00 | dkay | sry, though /msg dpkg creates a paste. but i missed something |
| 19:39.03 | dkay | +t |
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| 19:39.42 | simonrvn | no, it doesn't |
| 19:39.59 | dkay | ye, i missed something :=) something with paste |
| 19:40.00 | simonrvn | the bot tells you how and what the policy is here |
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| 19:40.36 | Acony | hi people, I received some .ovpn file and I installed openvpn, now question is how to open or load that file so I can connect to server via vpn ? |
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| 19:41.25 | Bushmills | Acony: put it as client.conf into your /etc/openvpn. |
| 19:41.57 | Acony | Bushmills, and then I need to restart an openvpn ? |
| 19:41.59 | Bushmills | default debian scripts will look for the config there and start openvpn with it |
| 19:42.01 | Bushmills | yes |
| 19:42.47 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/198380 |
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| 19:44.19 | Acony | Bushmills, ok I reloaded it, can u tell me how can I see am I connected ? |
| 19:44.28 | Bushmills | ifconfig tun0 |
| 19:44.35 | Bushmills | or, route -n |
| 19:44.48 | simonrvn | dkay: you ned to build it first, then you'll get that file |
| 19:45.15 | Acony | hm, Bushmills tun0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 19:46.13 | dkay | i did make menuconfig, then make-kpkg clean and then fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 19:46.13 | Bushmills | assuming that your config uses tun interface, i'd say you are not connected. probably because of failed authentication. keys/certs in the wrong location, maybe |
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| 19:48.10 | Acony | Bushmills, tnx, but this file works on windows machine, need to figure out how to connect it, on my debian :P |
| 19:48.19 | Bushmills | how do you authenticate? |
| 19:48.39 | Bushmills | configs are identical for windows and linux. unless you get dns pushed from server |
| 19:49.46 | Acony | hm, as I told u I have some ..ovpn file and in windows via openvpn client |
| 19:50.19 | Bushmills | any .key, .crt, .ca files? |
| 19:50.20 | Acony | here on debian I obviously don't ave that tun and I don't know what is that at all |
| 19:50.24 | simonrvn | modprobe tun |
| 19:50.35 | Acony | modprobe tun |
| 19:50.37 | Bushmills | tun interface will be create upon successfil connection |
| 19:50.38 | Acony | nothing just |
| 19:50.45 | Acony | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 19:51.02 | simonrvn | ignore for now |
| 19:51.32 | Bushmills | put a log /tmp/openvpn.log into your client.conf, restart openvpn. |
| 19:51.38 | wols | !nensi Price, Anthony - [David Audley 04] - October Men (v1.0) [htm].rar |
| 19:51.50 | abrotman | wrong channel? |
| 19:51.53 | Acony | Bushmills, inside that file, I have ca, dh, cert. key tags... |
| 19:52.07 | Bushmills | yes. but you need those files as well |
| 19:52.31 | Bushmills | put those files into your /etc/openvpn directory as well, along with the config file |
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| 19:53.02 | Bushmills | without those, the openvpn server doesn't allow you to accept. |
| 19:53.09 | Bushmills | connect, i mean |
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| 19:53.20 | Acony | hm, sorry but what files, I dont get u :( |
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| 19:53.57 | Bushmills | .key and .crt files |
| 19:54.09 | Bushmills | probably one .key and two .crt |
| 19:54.38 | Acony | nope, i don't have that files, only one .ovpn file |
| 19:54.44 | Bushmills | not enough. |
| 19:54.45 | Acony | with lot of text in it :P |
| 19:54.57 | Acony | on windows it is enough |
| 19:54.59 | Acony | LOL |
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| 19:55.10 | Bushmills | because you have those .crt and .key files on windows |
| 19:55.23 | superlinux | hi. I installed splashy on my computer. now, the F2 button that's supposed to show the scrolling text is not responding to me. how should I fix that? my keyboard is fine. |
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| 19:55.56 | Acony | Bushmills, I didn't received that files, only if windows creates them |
| 19:56.18 | Acony | So from manual on windows : openvpn-2.1_rc19-install openvpn 2.1 (beta) with GUI |
| 19:56.19 | Acony | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.19 | Acony | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.19 | Acony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.23 | Bushmills | nope. you must have received them from whoever operates the server |
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| 19:57.13 | superlinux | splashy to remind you is the boot up splash screen |
| 19:57.14 | Acony | I did that, and I connected immediately |
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| 19:57.27 | Bushmills | well, if you insist. |
| 19:57.40 | Bushmills | use windows then |
| 19:58.17 | Acony | Bushmills, ouch dude, I am just saying what it is, why should I lie ? |
| 19:58.46 | Bushmills | because you don't know any better, maybe? |
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| 19:59.50 | Acony | Haha, nope, I am on irc for a long time, and I am linux user, but just use it for development, and I don't use windows, by the way, only in vm |
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| 20:00.08 | Acony | I tried on linux first, then in XP vm, and here I am asking for help... |
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| 20:01.02 | Bushmills | ok. your config specifies those ca.crt and .key files. you said. those are for authentication. without those, your client can't authenticate against the server. |
| 20:01.29 | Bushmills | server says "come back when you have the right key" |
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| 20:01.50 | Acony | Ok I get that, but I a have correct key 100% |
| 20:02.06 | Bushmills | then put it into your openvpn directory |
| 20:03.11 | Acony | I putted it like u said to me previously, I copied file to /etc/openvpn/client.conf |
| 20:03.25 | Bushmills | you copied the config file there |
| 20:03.29 | Bushmills | config != key |
| 20:04.23 | Acony | well, I know this is lame question and answer but I have the key only in that config file |
| 20:04.29 | Bushmills | do this: grep ^key /etc/openvpn/client.conf , then look for a file with that name |
| 20:04.55 | Bushmills | you also want these files: grep ^cert /etc/openvpn/client.conf |
| 20:05.10 | Bushmills | and grep ^ca /etc/openvpn/client.conf |
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| 20:05.40 | adis | if i take an mbr backup with #dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/backup.image count=1 bs=512 is possible to restore with #dd if=/path/to/backup.image of=/dev/sda count=1 bs=446?? |
| 20:06.06 | Acony | I have result for all |
| 20:06.27 | Bushmills | those files are needed |
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| 20:07.17 | Acony | Bushmills, well that "files" are located in .conf file or .ovpn on windows which is basically text file |
| 20:07.27 | Tramp | adis: yes. This shoud restore the bootloader while keeping the partition-table as it is. Make another backup first though. |
| 20:08.12 | Bushmills | no. those files are not located in your config |
| 20:08.23 | adis | thanks tramp |
| 20:08.31 | Bushmills | the config file merely instructs openvpn to look for those, by telling their name |
| 20:08.43 | Tramp | yw |
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| 20:08.56 | adis | i didnt know if it is possible to restore only a part of an image |
| 20:09.33 | Acony | Bushmills, is there some gui client like for VPN ? |
| 20:10.23 | iceroot | Acony: network-manager |
| 20:10.28 | Bushmills | hm. a script runs at start, it connects. what gui does one need for that? |
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| 20:10.54 | iceroot | Bushmills: for creating the config |
| 20:11.13 | Acony | Bushmills, I don't but I can't get it to work, since I received only one .ovpn file and instruction for windows |
| 20:11.28 | Bushmills | yes. interactive configuration creating frontends exist. they are called "editors" |
| 20:11.28 | Acony | I never used OpenVPN before |
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| 20:11.52 | iceroot | Bushmills: not everyone likes it to use vim for managing programs |
| 20:11.56 | Acony | iceroot, thanks for the answer |
| 20:11.58 | Hydroxide | Acony: .ovpn files are just textual config files renamed to a windows-friendly extension |
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| 20:12.16 | Hydroxide | Acony: on linux they'd usually end in .conf and be very similar in contents to on windows (maybe a small number of differences) |
| 20:12.28 | Acony | Hydroxide, yeap I got that, but I am not familiar with file structure, so I don't know what I need to create |
| 20:12.41 | Acony | and what I need to copy from that file in which files |
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| 20:14.09 | Acony | I coppied complete file Hydroxide to /etc/openvpn/client.conf but It's not working, and that is why I am looking for a gui solution right now |
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| 20:14.24 | SirDerigo | hi people, there is any way of install debian from a USB? |
| 20:15.15 | abrotman | !tell SirDerigo about usb install |
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| 20:15.26 | iceroot | Acony: the file has to be named to vpn.conf, which is readed directly, elsewhere you have to put the name of the conffile in the line you ar starting openvpn with |
| 20:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | Acony: kvpn works pretty well. |
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| 20:16.00 | SirDerigo | abrotman, thanks |
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| 20:16.21 | Bushmills | iceroot: any .conf file in /etc/openvpn is used by debian scripts |
| 20:16.53 | Acony | jhutchins_lt, is kvpn gui based ? |
| 20:16.56 | Bushmills | means, "vpn" is not a requirement |
| 20:17.02 | iceroot | Bushmills: hm, ok |
| 20:17.19 | Acony | Bushmills, yeap I'ts logical |
| 20:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | Acony: Yes, KDE based. |
| 20:17.51 | Acony | jhutchins_lt, ok tnx for answer will try with network-manager first I am just installing it |
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| 20:20.14 | abrotman | i thought network-manager-vpn had a way to import the openvpn files ? |
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| 20:27.43 | Acony | this is insane, I restarted and I am connected |
| 20:28.30 | Acony | I don't know is it because I installed network-manager but I don't think that network-manager has anything with it, am I wrong ? |
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| 20:31.20 | zepolen | how stable is squeeze? |
| 20:32.20 | DNS777 | quite stable i would say :-) |
| 20:32.33 | zepolen | do you think it's production ready |
| 20:32.39 | DNS777 | havin a server up with squeeze for about 70 days |
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| 20:34.40 | abrotman | zepolen: no |
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| 20:34.54 | abrotman | zepolen: if your job depends on your server being stable, do not use squeeze |
| 20:35.16 | Pudgy | Where does Debian store the dates/time logs from the uptime(s)? |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | zepolen: for starters, there is no security support |
| 20:35.26 | DNS777 | u can not get security patches for a test version so you have to take care about that by yourself |
| 20:35.31 | abrotman | or no real security support |
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| 20:35.53 | abrotman | zepolen: and anyone that would suggest you use it for a server should be ignored |
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| 20:38.34 | lontra | am i crazy or is the gnome-icon-theme on debian squeeze different? |
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| 20:40.31 | Acony | zepolen, if u do development don't install it |
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| 20:41.02 | Acony | I installed it 2 months ago, and I find a tons of problems with web development related packages |
| 20:41.12 | DNS777 | u mean if you dont do developement i guess :x |
| 20:41.33 | Acony | DNS777, no I mean if u do web development :P |
| 20:41.44 | DNS777 | eheh ok :p |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | it's not stable .. end of discussion |
| 20:41.50 | Acony | because u need a stable and new packages if possible |
| 20:42.23 | Acony | previous testing versions of debian in my case where much stable then squeeze |
| 20:43.16 | BlackFate | stable + new versions == impossible |
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| 20:44.14 | TehRabbitt | Question, anyone know how to get TFTPD working as a daemon? |
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| 20:44.36 | zepolen | thanks guys |
| 20:44.40 | TehRabbitt | i've run "aptitude install tftpd-hpa" and i've put the files I want it to host in the appropiate dir but it wont let anything connect |
| 20:44.45 | Acony | BlackFate, definitely correct, so I always use testing version, but squeeze wasn't way to go, I will give a chance to ubuntu when I find enough time to install it |
| 20:45.54 | TehRabbitt | anyone? |
| 20:46.21 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: did you read the docs /usr/share/doc/tftpd/ ? |
| 20:46.29 | abrotman | or whatever the package is name |
| 20:46.32 | abrotman | named |
| 20:46.50 | SirDerigo | thanks guys, later |
| 20:47.02 | TehRabbitt | Yes, I can't get other machines to see the server however |
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| 20:52.56 | TehRabbitt | anyone know how to setup TFTP? |
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| 20:56.13 | TehRabbitt | I've installed TFTP, put the files where they should be, started the daemon, but I cannot connect to the server from other machines. |
| 20:57.34 | SerajewelKS | check your firewall, check what interface the server bound to... |
| 20:57.57 | TehRabbitt | There is no firewall, and how do I check what interface it is bound to? |
| 20:58.10 | SerajewelKS | the config, or man netstat |
| 20:58.32 | abrotman | IIRC it gets started from inetd.conf |
| 20:59.04 | chrissbx | I've run into yet two further problems while installing testing on this laptop: |
| 20:59.58 | chrissbx | (1) the kernel says "attempt to access beyond end of device" and mentions hda1, which is ext3 for /boot |
| 21:00.26 | chrissbx | (2) "grub-install (hd0) failed" |
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| 21:00.38 | chrissbx | Now from the timings I'm not sure whether the latter is due to the former; |
| 21:00.50 | chrissbx | but anyway, why the h* should that happen. |
| 21:01.03 | click170 | TehRabbitt: Did you look in /etc/default/ for a tftp related config file? |
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| 21:01.53 | chrissbx | btw hda1 is not mounted. I guess grub-install fails not while writing the mbr, but while trying to write its config files to /boot/grub/ |
| 21:02.20 | chrissbx | (*Why* is the debian installer not printing the stderr/out of the tools, BTW?) |
| 21:02.21 | SerajewelKS | chrissbx: the two things that come to mind are (a) buggy drivers and (b) hda1 was formatted when it was larger, and was then resized smaller without resizing the filesystem, so the filesystem thinks it is bigger than the partition |
| 21:03.16 | MeglaW | if i have several nics in a system, how does a app know what one to use? and how do i tell apps to use a specific one |
| 21:03.18 | chrissbx | SerajewelKS: this is normal IDE, not sure why drivers should be the issue (but ok, keeping that in mind); there was no resizing: I used the installer to repartition the whole disk from scratch |
| 21:03.41 | TehRabbitt | Ok, so how do I change the interface that TFTPD is bound to? |
| 21:03.43 | SerajewelKS | chrissbx: right, (b) was just a "this situation would produce that error too but is lot likely" option |
| 21:03.45 | chrissbx | well, which means, *if* there was some resizing, then it's an installer bug |
| 21:04.08 | SerajewelKS | MeglaW: that depends entirely on the app |
| 21:04.15 | chrissbx | Also, there are no ide or any other errors in the kernel log |
| 21:04.20 | SerajewelKS | MeglaW: for outbound connections, the kernel decides using the routing table |
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| 21:05.12 | TehRabbitt | where is the config for TFTPD stored since I can't find anything on google? |
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| 21:05.41 | chrissbx | Also, /target/boot/grub/* has actually been written; so much for my theory that grub-install couldn't access the target. |
| 21:05.47 | MeglaW | ok, thx SerajewelKS i will check it out |
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| 21:06.27 | chrissbx | Hell I hate this installer. It doesn't even have a date command. |
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| 21:06.40 | click170 | TehRabbitt: Check /etc/ and /etc/default/ |
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| 21:08.39 | SerajewelKS | chrissbx: have you tried the stable installer? does it work? |
| 21:08.46 | chrissbx | And it has grub-installer, and no manpages, and grub-installer does not exist on my finished installations so where would I find the docs. |
| 21:09.01 | chrissbx | Yeah maybe I should do that. |
| 21:09.14 | SerajewelKS | if it works and the testing installer doesn't, file a bug |
| 21:09.27 | chrissbx | Or hell really just copy over files manually without using that darn installer at all. |
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| 21:10.44 | SerajewelKS | i've never had problems with the installer... sounds like you've just hit a buggy use case somehow |
| 21:10.58 | chrissbx | I've never been much a friend of the installer. |
| 21:11.02 | SerajewelKS | if the installer didn't work for most people, nobody would be using it |
| 21:11.03 | chrissbx | But this time it really sucked bad ass. |
| 21:11.07 | chrissbx | I've run into *6* bugs. |
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| 21:11.23 | SerajewelKS | of course you have run into bugs. you are using the *testing* installer. |
| 21:11.48 | SerajewelKS | it's still under development. if you want to help, file bugs. if not, you're just whining. |
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| 21:13.00 | SerajewelKS | you can install stable and then dist-upgrade to testing if you want |
| 21:13.22 | chrissbx | yeah; well I'll burn a grml cd and try to salvage what's possible. |
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| 21:13.33 | chrissbx | This is a slow laptop so it already took hours to get the files onto it. |
| 21:13.38 | adac | How to make a dry run apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:14.03 | SerajewelKS | adac: man apt-get |
| 21:15.07 | adac | SerajewelKS, ohh its --dry-run indeed :) |
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| 21:15.21 | SerajewelKS | adac: nod, see, i knew you'd find it, you already knew what it was called |
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| 21:15.38 | adac | so noting is happen when I use that option? |
| 21:15.58 | SerajewelKS | adac: and in general, the documentation is always a good first place to check. if you come in here asking "how do i do X with tool Y" and X is documented in the manpage, we're just going to point you there anyway. |
| 21:16.02 | SerajewelKS | adac: right |
| 21:16.19 | adac | ok, thx! |
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| 21:18.19 | qfr | What software should I use to guarantee that SSH on port 22 on my server works flawlessly even when there are massive TCP transfers on other ports in progress? Need some quality of service adjustments for those. I use tcng/tcc for that on my router, with two NICs, but that generator is pretty outdated I think. It works but I was just wondering if there are more modern methods. |
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| 21:19.25 | chrissbx | qfr: check wshaper, the "wonder shaper" |
| 21:19.39 | qfr | Alright, thanks |
| 21:19.57 | chrissbx | (I've used that with great success ~8 years ago; dunno if there's something newer/more fashionable now) |
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| 21:21.31 | click170 | qfr: Having looked into it myself about 3 years ago and there wasn't anything aside from wondershaper and tcng/tcc then. |
| 21:21.40 | qfr | Oh, ok |
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| 21:22.05 | chrissbx | qfr: it does two things, (1) limit the total bandwidth to some value you set just below what the isp allows, to avoid filling buffers at the ISP; (2) give small packets higher priority (which makes interactive services responsive) |
| 21:22.15 | click170 | I dont think anything superceeds tcng/tcc, everything that I found was just scripts running on top of them such as wondershaper. |
| 21:22.43 | qfr | Oh, so it's the same again |
| 21:22.50 | qfr | I actually wrote a 150+ line script for that |
| 21:23.01 | qfr | To put them into different groups |
| 21:23.20 | chrissbx | Well, I tried to writes rules that fit my usage too, at first, but somehow they never worked; |
| 21:23.22 | qfr | Based on ports/protocols etc |
| 21:23.31 | chrissbx | then I used wshaper and it worked fine.. |
| 21:23.49 | chrissbx | and I never needed any other rules. |
| 21:24.11 | lydgate | So I tried updating to Squeeze because I was tired of a few old packages in Lenny. unfortunately (as I learned) Xorg server versions >1.4.2 don't allow my matrox card to work. It doesn't look likely that the mga driver is going to be fixed in the near future. How hard is it to revert to xorg server 1.4.2, or should i give up and reinstall Lenny |
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| 21:24.59 | CapaH | Question, I am somewhat recently migrated from Ubuntu to Debian, and I find that I need to burn an iso to cd. In Ubuntu, I right-click the iso and there is an option to burn it. How can I do this in Debian? |
| 21:25.36 | Chubbz | Is there a way to see what libraries a process links to? |
| 21:25.36 | SerajewelKS | CapaH: if you are using gnome, brasero can do this |
| 21:25.36 | qfr | CapaH: That's not a question of the distro really |
| 21:25.37 | chrissbx | CapaH: the gnome desktop asks what to do with an empty CD if you insert one; I think that should work; |
| 21:25.43 | qfr | I presume you were using Gnome and Nautilus |
| 21:25.49 | CapaH | qfr: Correct |
| 21:25.54 | chrissbx | CapaH: but then I usually just run it from the command line: "wodim yourfile.iso" |
| 21:25.55 | CapaH | I am still using Gnome/Nautilus in Debian |
| 21:26.09 | SerajewelKS | Chubbz: 'lsof -p $PID' will show you if the process is running |
| 21:26.22 | SerajewelKS | Chubbz: otherwise, you can use ldd on an ELF binary to see what it links to |
| 21:26.37 | CapaH | haha... too easy, "wodim blah.iso" - worked instantly |
| 21:28.15 | CapaH | chrissbx: I notice wodim doesn't show how far along it is in the writing process. Any way to see that? |
| 21:28.26 | click170 | SerajewelKS: Chubbz: What about strace? |
| 21:28.29 | chrissbx | CapaH: it has a -v flag (next time you run it) |
| 21:28.39 | chrissbx | check man wodim ;) |
| 21:29.00 | chrissbx | sorry for not having that included in the first place |
| 21:29.06 | Chubbz | clickJ70: SerajewelKS: Thanks! |
| 21:29.15 | chrissbx | (I tend to forget that myself :)) |
| 21:29.22 | Chubbz | *click170 |
| 21:29.43 | SerajewelKS | click170: that would work too. lsof tends to produce immediately-readable results though. |
| 21:29.52 | CapaH | oh well :) next time I will use -v |
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| 21:32.20 | chrissbx | CapaH: create a directory /opt/capah/bin, and a script burn-iso in there, which contains a line wodim -v "$@", then change your .bash_profile to have PATH=/opt/capah/bin:"$PATH" and "ln -s .bash_profile .profile" so that it is read the next time you start gnome |
| 21:32.54 | chrissbx | and add scripts to that location for similar purposes in the future ;) |
| 21:33.23 | SerajewelKS | or use $HOME/usr/bin |
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| 21:33.43 | SerajewelKS | which has the added benefit that you can install stuff from source using --prefix=$HOME/usr |
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| 21:33.50 | chrissbx | Yes that works too, of course; I'm using /opt/.. because I share the scripts for all users |
| 21:33.52 | SerajewelKS | and not have to reconfigure too much |
| 21:34.04 | SerajewelKS | right, in that case that would make sense |
| 21:34.07 | chrissbx | and between machines, too |
| 21:34.19 | magiker | hi all. who can help with network config? there is some trouble with dns |
| 21:34.32 | SerajewelKS | magiker: ask your real question instead |
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| 21:35.53 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 21:35.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:38.26 | magiker | ok. PC with debian (192.168.0.5) connected to PC with windows xp (192.168.0.1). I write ip, mask and gateway in /etc/network/interfaces. When i try ping any site they IP all ok, by when i try ping by names - have an error |
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| 21:39.00 | sohum | I'm trying to find a bug report for this, but my system basically doesn't halt any more after hibernating. it writes everything to disk, and then just sits there, hibernate light blinking, screen on. I have to force-shutdown the system then, and it resumes properly when turned on again. |
| 21:39.04 | magiker | sorry... very very bad english XD |
| 21:39.37 | SerajewelKS | magiker: first install resolvconf |
| 21:39.52 | magiker | ïî-ðóññêè Ãèêòî ÃÃ¥ ãîâîðèò ñëó÷à éÃî? ) |
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| 21:40.18 | magiker | in resolv i write "nameserver 192.168.0.1" |
| 21:40.20 | SerajewelKS | magiker: then add a "dns-nameservers 192.168.0.1" line to your interfaces file, then ifdown and ifup the interface |
| 21:40.43 | magiker | "dns-nameserver" or just "nameserver"? |
| 21:40.49 | SerajewelKS | neither |
| 21:40.56 | SerajewelKS | exactly what i typed |
| 21:41.38 | magiker | I already tried so to do |
| 21:42.00 | SerajewelKS | was resolvconf installed when you tried? |
| 21:42.40 | chrissbx | magiker: resolvconf is the name of a Debian package |
| 21:42.53 | magiker | What is installed together with Debian |
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| 21:43.45 | SerajewelKS | magiker: then it probably was not |
| 21:43.58 | SerajewelKS | magiker: the "dns-nameservers" line will not work without resolvconf installed: aptitude install resolvconf |
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| 21:44.32 | magiker | where can i find it to install? on installation CD? |
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| 21:44.48 | chrissbx | magiker: it will find it all by itself |
| 21:44.53 | SerajewelKS | *facepalm* |
| 21:45.11 | magiker | sorry =) yes, i'm noob |
| 21:46.14 | magiker | ok, another question. how can i install debian from usb-hdd? |
| 21:46.23 | SerajewelKS | !usb install |
| 21:46.23 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to create the drive from windows BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:47.40 | chrissbx | I'm booting an older machine from an usb stick in spite of its bios not supporting usb boot. But it's quite involved. |
| 21:48.05 | chrissbx | And it needs the builtin HD to cheat (to load the kernel) |
| 21:48.14 | chrissbx | (and initrd ..) |
| 21:48.36 | SerajewelKS | booting from CD is definitely the easiest way to go |
| 21:48.39 | chrissbx | (So it's admittedly not really "booting") |
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| 21:49.06 | magiker | ok, thnx |
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| 21:51.51 | MmikeDOMA | How does one removes grub from MBR? |
| 21:52.02 | ukev | Hi, I'm a victim of a bug in the cherokee package in debian (using ARM), after searching I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578739 which describes it quite well. There is written that the fixed version (0.99.48) is uploaded to debian, but I still have the wrong old one (0.99.45-1) in latest debian 6. I'm not to familiar with customs in debian, can someone explain whats going on? |
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| 21:52.44 | cahoot | MmikeDOMA: you want it replaced by some other bootloader - not? |
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| 21:54.50 | MmikeDOMA | cahoot, nope, just remove it from the disk. I purchased SSD for my / partition, and I'll leave /home on my spindle-plated drive, but I don't want grub there any more, so I'd like to get rid of it. I'm using grub-legacy, btw, haven't upgraded to grub2 |
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| 21:55.50 | adb | , versions cherokee |
| 21:55.51 | judd | cherokee -- etch: 0.5.5.dfsg-2; lenny: 0.7.2-4; squeeze: 0.99.44-1; sid: 0.99.48-1 |
| 21:56.03 | cahoot | MmikeDOMA: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-uninstall-grub/ |
| 21:57.09 | MmikeDOMA | cahoot, so 'dding' is the only way. Ok, thnx :) |
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| 21:58.14 | ukev | adb, that means the fixed version is only available in debian unstable and not in testing? As the bug report descripes the version in testing is completely useless on arm cpus. |
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| 22:03.32 | Selveste1 | Is there a way to load a kernel-patch to a running kernel, or do I have to compile my own kernel with the patches in it.? |
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| 22:05.00 | adb | ukev, yes, try sid version , not sure it will install clean on squeeze, use simulate first > aptitude -s install cherokee , or just wait to migrate to testing |
| 22:06.07 | ukev | adb, how much time will it need to be available in testing? |
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| 22:06.39 | adb | as i know ~1-2 weeks |
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| 22:07.07 | ukev | 1-2 weeks of now or 1-2 weeks after it is in unstable? |
| 22:07.45 | adb | it's very relative |
| 22:08.27 | ukev | Does it help to ask on the bug report or gwolf or is this impolite? |
| 22:08.50 | adb | ukev, a simulate install is quicker ... |
| 22:09.08 | adb | ~ 5 min |
| 22:09.14 | ukev | ok i will try it, how can I switch to sid for only this package? |
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| 22:11.32 | Selveste1 | Is there a way to load a kernel-patch to a running kernel, or do I have to compile my own kernel with the patches in it.? Im running a debian stock XEN-kernel amd64 and i386 and need Layer7-patch in the kernel |
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| 22:13.16 | dkay | hello :) which port is used by vncserver? |
| 22:13.43 | avar | Selveste1: The LISP machines lost, so no, you have to recompile |
| 22:14.55 | dkay | i found! 5900 and up thnks anyway |
| 22:15.06 | Selveste1 | avar: thanks... it not fun to compile a XEN based kernel :P think I will start with the source from stock kernel then :) |
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| 22:15.16 | ukev | adb, how can I try the sid version? |
| 22:16.19 | dancek | ukev, see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 22:16.55 | dancek | ukev, it has an example section that describes an exactly similar situation |
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| 22:18.03 | dancek | ukev, and first you gotta add sid to sources.list and create a pinning so you don't get other packages from sid |
| 22:18.18 | dkay | hello #debian! i am geting this error message when i try to start a wine application on debian! http://pastebin.org/198556 google tells me it can be solved with a driver for my ati 3200hd graphiccard |
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| 22:18.21 | dkay | is it true? |
| 22:19.05 | Vasistha | dkay: no idea, but there's no harm trying to get the best video card driver installed. /msg dpkg ati |
| 22:19.31 | dkay | uhm |
| 22:19.41 | dkay | didnt recieve a msg |
| 22:19.47 | Vasistha | !hello |
| 22:19.47 | dpkg | Hi, vasistha! |
| 22:19.58 | Vasistha | !tell dkay about ati |
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| 22:20.10 | Vasistha | dkay: did you get it that time? |
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| 22:20.31 | dkay | dpkg: no vasistha i wont tell dkay about ati cuz hes noob :P |
| 22:20.32 | dpkg | dkay: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:20.32 | dkay | lol |
| 22:20.38 | dkay | ye thnks |
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| 22:21.34 | Vasistha | dkay: maybe you have private messaging blocked |
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| 22:21.40 | Vasistha | dkay: anyway... |
| 22:21.42 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 22:21.42 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:21.49 | dkay | i rcieved it |
| 22:21.54 | dkay | i said thnks |
| 22:22.01 | dkay | dpkg radeon |
| 22:22.01 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). Xorg driver packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo #radeon on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:23.19 | ksnp | my system timer is 250 Hz (i am using kernel 2.6.26-2) shouldn't this have been 1000 Hz ? |
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| 22:23.40 | ksnp | i am trying to recompile the kernel and change this, but i am wondering why debian chose to use 250 Hz ? |
| 22:23.43 | dkay | afaik standard setting is set to 250 also on my own |
| 22:23.50 | ksnp | ok |
| 22:24.04 | ksnp | does it required recompile to change to 1000 Hz ? |
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| 22:26.13 | Vasistha | ksnp: this article suggests so: http://lwn.net/Articles/145973/ |
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| 22:27.15 | dkay | is there a easy way installing a ati driver via aptitude? |
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| 22:28.06 | dkay | ah, dam, i follow the howto linked on dpkg message |
| 22:28.06 | ukev | dancek, thank you, so I added deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main to /etc/sources.list and created a /etc/apt/preferences file with 2 entrys, one with a=unstable and prio 800 and one with a=testing and prio 900, both package "*", now I install the sid version with apt-get install cherokee/unstable - is that right? |
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| 22:29.45 | Vasistha | dkay: um, depends which one you need. |
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| 22:30.03 | dkay | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 22:30.17 | Vasistha | dkay: e.g. I'm pretty sure fglrx is in aptitude, and radeon and radeonhd as well |
| 22:30.18 | ksnp | nice article vasistha, thanks |
| 22:30.24 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 22:30.24 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend. http://google.com/linux |
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| 22:30.34 | fassl | how would i access my vmware shared folders within a debian vm? |
| 22:30.42 | ksnp | is dynamic tick commonly used by all ? |
| 22:30.44 | dkay | !lmgtfy |
| 22:30.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lmgtfy is a rude but oft-deserved slap in the face which simultaneously points one to the information they so easily could have found themselves by entering some simple search terms into google, especially when the answer is found in the very first result. http://lmgtfy.com/ |
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| 22:31.10 | dkay | i dont like google |
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| 22:31.40 | dkay | google breaks the communication in the world. in a few yeards we only say google, not hello, it google? google, ah google goog |
| 22:31.41 | dkay | ^^ |
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| 22:31.46 | Vasistha | ksnp: no idea, really. If it's written by Con Kolivos... iirc he abandoned all his kernel work maybe last year |
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| 22:32.01 | Vasistha | dkay: google google, google? Google, google. |
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| 22:32.39 | dkay | ah google :P |
| 22:32.40 | dkay | google |
| 22:32.41 | dkay | huh? |
| 22:33.13 | ksnp | ok, i see it being talked about a bit |
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| 22:33.43 | Vasistha | wow, lmgtfy is cool, heh |
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| 22:34.16 | Vasistha | ksnp: 2.6.13 was a long time ago now, so I have no idea what developments have occurred since then. |
| 22:34.33 | ksnp | ok, i see a boot option for dynamic tick |
| 22:34.45 | ksnp | but i guess its only for going to a lower frequency not going higher |
| 22:35.12 | Vasistha | ksnp: ...but that's only going to save you power... if you wanted 1000 Hz then maybe you're doing some multimedia editing or some such? |
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| 22:37.48 | ksnp | yes |
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| 22:38.08 | fmateo | hello |
| 22:38.19 | dkay | Vasistha im following the howto which has dpkg linked |
| 22:38.20 | dkay | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 22:38.33 | dkay | but, there is no install command? |
| 22:38.35 | qfr | I just tried to set up traffic shaping using tcng: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported; We have an error talking to the kernel |
| 22:38.39 | qfr | Am I missing a kernel module? |
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| 22:39.05 | ksnp | is tickless = no dynamic tick ? |
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| 22:40.47 | fmateo | http://musicon.zapto.org/ |
| 22:41.16 | fmateo | pls test it and give me your opinion |
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| 22:44.26 | robertzaccour | is the debian iso a live or full install? |
| 22:44.34 | robertzaccour | i'm downloading the xfce one |
| 22:45.57 | simonrvn | !debian live |
| 22:45.57 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:46.30 | simonrvn | the regular one whatever its form is an install/rescue cd |
| 22:47.13 | Vasistha | dkay: oh, sorry I was away for a moment ... which package do you want to install? |
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| 22:47.55 | dkay | no problem! i want to install all required packages |
| 22:48.25 | Vasistha | dkay: well... which card do you have? |
| 22:49.04 | dkay | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 22:49.55 | The_Eccentric | anyone with vmware sever 2 in kernal 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:49.59 | The_Eccentric | get it to work |
| 22:50.17 | The_Eccentric | i get erros on Unable to build the vmmon module. |
| 22:50.43 | The_Eccentric | is there any vmware sever modules upgrade for 2.6.26-2 |
| 22:50.45 | The_Eccentric | ? |
| 22:51.05 | dkay | d |
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| 22:51.29 | dkay | vasistha, i checked the tutorial to configuring kernel! |
| 22:51.45 | dkay | all is fine, but there is no install command. i dont know which packages to install |
| 22:52.11 | Vasistha | dkay: well that doesn't look like it's described on the page you referenced http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo maybe I'm wrong though |
| 22:52.14 | dkay | i cant edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf cause there is no |
| 22:52.36 | dkay | ni, i mean this AtiHowTo which u link |
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| 22:52.47 | dkay | #i +o :P |
| 22:52.52 | oxi | hi |
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| 22:53.12 | oxi | su tomcat, woami -> root |
| 22:53.19 | oxi | any idea why? |
| 22:53.23 | dkay | it tells me what to install for 3d acceleration : aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 22:53.30 | dkay | but not for the driver itself |
| 22:53.31 | dkay | hm |
| 22:53.45 | simonrvn | oxi: fix your passwd db? ;) |
| 22:53.59 | oxi | an ubuntu guy tells me my debian install might be f**** up |
| 22:54.08 | oxi | simonrvn: ok! :-) |
| 22:54.15 | oxi | simonrvn: how? :-) |
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| 22:54.17 | Chunky_Ks | Afternoon, all. oxi try "su - tomcat" instead of just "su tomcat" ? |
| 22:54.43 | oxi | Chunky_Ks: I tried that - same ting |
| 22:54.46 | oxi | *thing |
| 22:54.55 | The_Eccentric | anyone? |
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| 22:55.56 | Vasistha | dkay: I'm having a difficult time myself figuring out which is the best driver |
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| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | oxi: first check what `getent passwd tomcat' says |
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| 22:57.31 | oxi | simonrvn: tomcat:x:102:107::/usr/share/tomcat6:/bin/false |
| 22:57.50 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:57.58 | simonrvn | how about root? |
| 22:58.21 | oxi | simonrvn: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 22:58.30 | oxi | is that bad? |
| 22:58.37 | simonrvn | oxi: do you have users in db or ldap, or just the regular unix files ? |
| 22:58.49 | oxi | simonrvn: regular |
| 22:58.59 | hayleyw | does dash use ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile? i want to make sure that it's using certian environment variables |
| 22:59.24 | simonrvn | duh me... hold on |
| 22:59.29 | Vasistha | hayleyw: it should be easy enough to test... :) |
| 23:00.09 | dkay | vasistha, uhm, ye, no worries, but i just wonder "This article discusses how to install and use the open-source Radeon and RadeonHD display drivers for X11." but it dont tell me the install command? |
| 23:00.12 | Vasistha | hayleyw: also, surprising as it may seem, #bash might know |
| 23:00.19 | Guthur | I am trying to get emacs23 from testing, but it seems to want to pull every update from testing in the process |
| 23:00.20 | simonrvn | oxi: do su - -s /bin/bash tomcat |
| 23:00.27 | Vasistha | dkay: oh, use aptitude |
| 23:00.31 | Guthur | Any ideas why this would be? |
| 23:00.39 | simonrvn | oxi: lgin shell for tomcat is /bin/false |
| 23:00.42 | Vasistha | dkay: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 23:00.42 | simonrvn | login* |
| 23:00.45 | hayleyw | Vasistha, i tried #dash..no one there. seemed wrong to ask in #bash...like asking ubuntu questions in #debian |
| 23:00.51 | oxi | simonrvn: bingo |
| 23:00.52 | simonrvn | hayleyw: no |
| 23:01.04 | dkay | vasistha i dont have radeonhd its radeon D |
| 23:01.05 | dkay | :D |
| 23:01.06 | Vasistha | hayleyw: I think it's a fair question for #bash ... but it looks like you've got your answer anyway |
| 23:01.27 | salvin | can i set an AT command for a mobile connection in network manager? |
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| 23:01.30 | oxi | simonrvn: what's the reason for the login shell being /bin/false? |
| 23:01.40 | oxi | simonrvn: is that some kind of security thing? |
| 23:01.42 | dkay | vasistha xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
| 23:01.47 | simonrvn | postinst probably set it that way |
| 23:01.52 | simonrvn | usually yes |
| 23:01.53 | Vasistha | dkay: yeah, that oughtta do ya |
| 23:02.10 | Juzzy | hayleyw: strace /bin/dash 2>&1 | grep open |
| 23:02.14 | oxi | simonrvn: ok, thanks a lot for the help! :-) |
| 23:02.38 | dkay | why it is not explained on http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:02.42 | oxi | is there another way to run a process under a specific user, other than doing su? |
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| 23:02.53 | dkay | :D :P |
| 23:03.33 | simonrvn | sudo, start-stop-daemon can but that's just for init scripts |
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| 23:03.51 | oxi | I guess another way is to do it programmatically, ... writing a daemon and privilege dropping from root |
| 23:03.57 | Vasistha | dkay: I couldn't tell ya. I'm honestly rather disappointed myself with the ati howtos we've been looking at. |
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| 23:04.03 | hayleyw | Juzzy, so it seems like dash doesnt read any config files? |
| 23:04.15 | oxi | simonrvn: and any other? (except installing sudo) |
| 23:04.42 | dkay | i am wonder, i can use vncserver which works as x server, i should have a installed driver or`? |
| 23:04.43 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: Not emplyed by Microsoft anymore ? |
| 23:04.50 | simonrvn | there's a few (installable) packages that can do this but most people use su. |
| 23:04.57 | dkay | hm, dont know |
| 23:04.58 | simonrvn | Malstrohm: i never was, tard. |
| 23:05.06 | oxi | great, thanks a lot for the info |
| 23:05.51 | oxi | files created from a process run by a specific user, ... those files usually "inherit" the user rights? |
| 23:05.53 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: I shall ignore the last 3 letters and give you a fair chanse. |
| 23:06.19 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: Do you like hard rock ? |
| 23:06.26 | oxi | I read a little about umask, which seems to specify the permissions, but how about the user rights? |
| 23:06.41 | simonrvn | Malstrohm: how about you go away instead. |
| 23:07.03 | simonrvn | !ops Malstrohm harrassing me |
| 23:07.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: Malstrohm harrassing me |
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| 23:07.24 | Guthur | I updated the kernel to 2.6.32, and get a lot of messages regarding deprecated forms in udev rules during boot, is there some way to remove these messages |
| 23:07.26 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: Theres no way youll be anyone without me so please comply with the rules of Debian |
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| 23:08.02 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: Rule 1. Be nice |
| 23:08.10 | dancek | ukev, you might want to make unstable priority <100 to ensure you never get unstable packages unless you explicitly tell so (see man apt_preferences), other than that looks fine to me |
| 23:08.51 | ukev | dancek, ok thank you, I set it now to -10 as a comment describes |
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| 23:10.41 | dkay | uhm :/ #glxinfo | grep render |
| 23:10.41 | dkay | Error: unable to open display |
| 23:10.43 | simonrvn | Guthur: the packages will update them in time. you can check the BTS to make sure they have bugs filed on those |
| 23:10.51 | simonrvn | dkay: don't run it as root |
| 23:11.15 | dkay | google says export DISPLAY=remote.rechner.com:0.0 |
| 23:11.22 | dkay | but |
| 23:11.25 | dkay | why not as root? |
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| 23:11.43 | Vasistha | dkay: where on earth did you get that bogus display line? That can't be right |
| 23:11.59 | dkay | http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/archive/index.php/t-3210.html |
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| 23:12.25 | dkay | remote.rechner.com is an example |
| 23:12.38 | dkay | i guess i should replace it with my hostname? |
| 23:12.41 | Guthur | simonrvn: OK cheers |
| 23:12.51 | Vasistha | dkay: you read german? |
| 23:13.01 | dkay | i am german :D |
| 23:13.04 | simonrvn | dkay: um, it has to be appropriate for your machine(s), you can't just c&p something from some random site like that (you shouldn't do that in general either) |
| 23:13.27 | dkay | i dont simonrvn |
| 23:13.28 | simonrvn | dkay: it doesn't need to be run as root |
| 23:13.40 | simonrvn | well your paste says otherwise ;) |
| 23:13.49 | dkay | i follow this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:13.58 | dkay | there is not explained not to run as root |
| 23:14.02 | Gadien | Hi all, anyone know where i can get detailed help on connecting to the internet with ubuntu? |
| 23:14.05 | dkay | i thouht its no problem then |
| 23:14.19 | simonrvn | Gadien: /join #ubuntu |
| 23:15.09 | Malstrohm | simonrvn: Please realise that people across the worlds arent against you! FOR FUCKS SAKE IDIOT ! :) After, and only after you have settled down you can be considered less then a lady bull fighter ;) |
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| 23:15.36 | Gadien | simonrvn: | + | Thanks Simon |
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| 23:16.13 | Malstrohm | Gadien: He is an informant for the state of RUSSIA |
| 23:16.16 | Vasistha | !ops Malstrohm seems to be trolling |
| 23:16.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vasistha complains about: Malstrohm seems to be trolling |
| 23:16.37 | Pudgy | Where does Debian store the dates/time logs from the uptime(s)? |
| 23:17.33 | Bushmills | it doesn't. it is a variable in the kernel. |
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| 23:18.23 | simonrvn | the 'last' stuff? /var/log/wtmp usually . you might want to install uptimed |
| 23:18.39 | Bushmills | you find it in the /proc virtual file system |
| 23:19.59 | Pudgy | wtmp is empty... I'll look into uptimed. |
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| 23:25.22 | dkay | simonrvn so, it tells me unable to open display! how to set the right display? |
| 23:25.39 | dkay | i cant find another information on goole :/ |
| 23:26.55 | adb | goole open display : 2 billion results |
| 23:27.43 | dkay | adb, i googled and simonrvn said to me : dkay: um, it has to be appropriate for your machine(s), you can't just c&p something from some random site like that (you shouldn't do that in general either) |
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| 23:28.02 | dkay | therefore i asked him |
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| 23:30.10 | wols | dkay: what is your current problem? |
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| 23:31.41 | dkay | i am following this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and i stick on "testing performance" with this command "glxinfo | grep render" it tells me "Error: unable to open display" |
| 23:32.03 | wols | env |grep -i display |
| 23:32.46 | dkay | no result |
| 23:33.01 | wols | are you root in this xterm? |
| 23:33.07 | dkay | atm yes |
| 23:33.21 | wols | that's bad. don't be. then try again |
| 23:33.26 | dkay | i did |
| 23:33.28 | dkay | no result |
| 23:33.31 | dkay | as another user |
| 23:33.46 | wols | open a new xterm and run the glxinfo command directly |
| 23:34.22 | dkay | i am not on linux, i am on windows and connect via putty |
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| 23:36.05 | wols | that's stupid. if there is no X, how do you expect X programs tu run? |
| 23:36.07 | Malf | In squeeze while in gnome I open whatever the default file browser is, right click a file, and select encrypt. The choose recipients window comes up where I can select a key. I check the key I want and click ok. The window closes and the file is not encrypted. Does anyone know where I should start looking to track this down? |
| 23:37.10 | wols | dkay: start X (locally on the debian machine!) and run glxinfo there |
| 23:37.12 | Malf | oop this time I think dmesg finally gave me something |
| 23:37.19 | Bushmills | maybe starting with finding out what file browser you use :) |
| 23:37.20 | Malf | seahorse-tool[5234]: segfault at 3c ip b7884767 sp bfff3b80 error 4 in libgpgme.so.11.7.0[b7866000+2c000] |
| 23:37.26 | dkay | i dont have a local installation for debian |
| 23:37.38 | Malf | so nevermind I have a starting point now |
| 23:37.51 | dkay | debian is just on the remote |
| 23:37.56 | wols | dkay: then what do you expect to accomplish? |
| 23:38.40 | dkay | i want the output from glxinfo |grep render ? :D |
| 23:38.56 | dkay | but it tells me unable to open display! |
| 23:38.59 | wols | then start X. no X, no glxinfo. the end |
| 23:40.20 | dkay | uhm, wols! dont get me wrong pls! what do u mean with start x? no x, no glxinfo. the end? |
| 23:40.52 | wols | I mean unless you start X and run glxinfo under said X, there won't be ever any output by glxinfo. never ever |
| 23:40.55 | dkay | unable to open display let me think about to set the display |
| 23:41.08 | wols | there is no display to set when there is no X running! |
| 23:41.11 | dkay | but i have had the wrong infromation on a forum site |
| 23:41.30 | EdgEy | does anyone know a way I can get dpkg to give me a list of all dependencies of a package? |
| 23:41.41 | EdgEy | for example so I can pipe that into apt-get install <dependencies> |
| 23:41.48 | wols | EdgEy: apt-rdepends <package> is a way |
| 23:41.51 | dkay | isnt vncserver a x application? |
| 23:41.56 | Bushmills | glx is nothing built into your computer. it lives (and dies) with the X server you run (or don't) |
| 23:42.05 | wols | EdgEy: and no you don't need to do that cause apt does this on its own |
| 23:42.05 | dkay | vncserver is running and i can connect |
| 23:42.25 | EdgEy | wols not if I am installing my own package |
| 23:42.27 | wols | dkay: yes, it can be |
| 23:42.27 | amphi | EdgEy: apt-cache depends foo |
| 23:43.04 | wols | amphi: not if he has no repo |
| 23:43.13 | chrissbx | Using a grml rescue disk, I could mount my fresh installation as chroot and run grub-mkconfig and grub-install from within the chroot without any issue; |
| 23:43.15 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 23:43.26 | wols | EdgEy: you yourself knows what it depends on. "aptitude install <list of all your dependencies" |
| 23:43.42 | chrissbx | but, there is one catch: grml accesses the disk as sda, not hda. (And of course the grub menu.lst is sda too now) |
| 23:43.55 | EdgEy | wols yeah, it's just that, dpkg lists me the dependencies but not in a 'nice' form, and i don't have the scripting knowhow to get that in a list i could put into apt |
| 23:43.58 | EdgEy | it's like 30+ libraries |
| 23:44.07 | chrissbx | Why would it do that? Maybe the drivers providing hda are really broken for this machine. |
| 23:44.19 | wols | EdgEy: you know all of them. so put it on that aptitude install line |
| 23:44.26 | kurt_h | EdgEy: didn't you setup the package correctly to list the dependencies? then apt should look for them itself in the package and install them |
| 23:44.48 | EdgEy | maybe I am missing something, can you use apt-get to install a .deb you have downloaded? |
| 23:44.49 | wols | EdgEy: another way is to dpkg -i yourpackage and then run aptitude -f install |
| 23:45.12 | wols | EdgEy: you need to put the .deb in a repo for apt to use it properly. you can create your own repo |
| 23:45.17 | EdgEy | wols that works perfectly |
| 23:45.25 | wols | but as I told you above that's not needed |
| 23:45.26 | EdgEy | aptitude -f install that is |
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| 23:46.12 | wols | chrissbx: no they aren't. so currently grub works, shows the menu but when you want to boot it looks for non existing /dev/sda ? |
| 23:46.22 | wols | chrissbx: what kernel version does your debian use? |
| 23:46.33 | chrissbx | wols: current testing |
| 23:46.41 | rdz | hi all. how can i make debuild -b use 'make -j3' instead of just 'make'? |
| 23:46.42 | wols | chrissbx: that is no kernel version |
| 23:46.43 | chrissbx | wols: I haven't retried booting it yet |
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| 23:47.22 | amphi | rdz: does it obey the env var CONCURRENCY_LEVEL ? |
| 23:47.38 | rdz | amphi, aah.. thanks |
| 23:47.40 | rdz | i'll try |
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| 23:50.27 | chrissbx | Well, the grub menu screen doesn't come up (screen stays black). |
| 23:50.55 | chrissbx | Maybe something like a first stage loader trying to access sda but that's not there or something? |
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| 23:54.14 | wols | chrissbx: no. grub only knows BIOS drives. no sda or hda. boot via rescue mode from your debian installer and use that to install grub |
| 23:55.26 | chrissbx | I've booted with the help of the "boot disk" menu entry from the grml bootloader |
| 23:56.05 | wols | I don't care about grml |
| 23:56.06 | chrissbx | meaning, it runs grub in some commandline mode, I enter linux (hd0,1)/.... and initrd..... and boot. |
| 23:57.16 | chrissbx | Are the debian live cds good for rescue purposes now? |
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| 23:57.48 | wols | I didn't tell you to do anything with a live cd. and I still haven't an answer to my question. |
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| 23:58.31 | chrissbx | Well, it's still during bootup. |
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| 23:59.45 | chrissbx | d'oh. It went so far as to start X, which remained black, ~20 seconds later it just powered off. uh. |
