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| 00:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, duh, themill had already banned him |
| 00:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's switching IPs to annoy us, too! |
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| 00:16.58 | ham5 | must be nice to have all the free time :) |
| 00:17.37 | Anonissi1us | free time... sounds like bliss |
| 00:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that stuff you're talking about? |
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| 00:23.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | time is never free... it costs... time |
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| 00:26.59 | abrotman | gives CutMeOwnThroat a Delorean |
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| 00:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | a WHAT? |
| 00:33.09 | ham5 | 80's car? |
| 00:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what would I want with that? |
| 00:33.40 | Tramp | gain time |
| 00:33.41 | nkuttler | build a fluxcompensator into it? |
| 00:33.56 | abrotman | capacitor ? |
| 00:34.06 | ham5 | lol |
| 00:34.07 | nkuttler | dunno what it's called in english |
| 00:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't I have to hit my head while being at the toilet or somesuch first to build one? |
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| 00:35.50 | ham5 | or something.... debian involved somehow tho right? |
| 00:36.28 | nevyn | well the Y is really a straighened out spiral |
| 00:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be... else we'd be offtopic and it would be abrotmans fault |
| 00:36.38 | nevyn | is there a unicode char for the debian free use logo? |
| 00:37.20 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: no |
| 00:37.32 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: though there *is* a unicode char which is a spiral, iirc. |
| 00:37.48 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/aa5c/index.htm |
| 00:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 00:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's the wrong way around! |
| 00:38.38 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 00:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | some bad planning there... |
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| 00:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | would have been rather cool to have a logo you can write with an utf character |
| 00:39.57 | dondelelcaro | there may be another spiral... and I don't know if there is or isn't a horizontal reflection combining character |
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| 00:40.31 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question...anyone here know if libnss can work with md5 passwords? |
| 00:40.43 | [Jasper] | or only with encode? |
| 00:40.55 | ham5 | I don't know what that means |
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| 00:41.31 | nevyn | [Jasper]: libnss doesn't deal with passwords. |
| 00:44.14 | [Jasper] | hmm navyn..my passwords are stored in md5 in old system... |
| 00:44.20 | [Jasper] | no way I can convert them to encode right> |
| 00:44.28 | [Jasper] | sucky .. |
| 00:44.30 | nevyn | why do you want to do that? |
| 00:44.40 | [Jasper] | nevyn I want to use libnss |
| 00:44.56 | nevyn | for what? |
| 00:45.10 | nevyn | everything uses libnss |
| 00:45.18 | [Jasper] | for login? |
| 00:45.21 | [Jasper] | users from database |
| 00:45.44 | nevyn | nss is name switch service. |
| 00:45.51 | nevyn | it provides host, name and group resolution |
| 00:46.03 | nevyn | (it provides netgroup as well but let's ignore that.) |
| 00:46.13 | nevyn | it has NOTHING to do with user authentication |
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| 00:46.22 | nevyn | only uid -> user mapping |
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| 00:46.41 | [Jasper] | nevyn libnss-mysql gets users from the database |
| 00:46.46 | nevyn | right |
| 00:46.50 | [Jasper] | and allows me for them to login via ssh or mysql.. |
| 00:46.51 | [Jasper] | etc |
| 00:46.55 | nevyn | but what I'm saying is you have half a solution |
| 00:47.00 | nevyn | the thing you need to mess with. |
| 00:47.09 | nevyn | is the pam bit which controls authentication |
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| 00:47.28 | [Jasper] | I didn't install libpam-mysql.. |
| 00:47.38 | [Jasper] | how can that do authentication then? |
| 00:47.49 | nevyn | pam is plugable authentication modules |
| 00:48.30 | nevyn | it's a domain specific language which let's you specify requirements to gain attributes like session account |
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| 00:48.55 | nevyn | and others. |
| 00:48.56 | [Jasper] | hmm disconnected |
| 00:49.02 | [Jasper] | can you say that again |
| 00:49.06 | nevyn | pam is plugable authentication modules |
| 00:49.09 | nevyn | it's a domain specific language which let's you specify requirements to gain attributes like session account and others |
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| 00:49.32 | nevyn | examin /etc/pam.d/* |
| 00:49.36 | [Jasper] | ok, so what can that do for me then nevyn ? |
| 00:49.40 | [Jasper] | k |
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| 00:50.30 | [Jasper] | ok..that shows me all the ways to login or? |
| 00:50.41 | nevyn | libnss does only half the stuff you need to have users in database of some description |
| 00:51.22 | [Jasper] | ok...but I have this database...and I can actually login with the users...only problem I'm having is ...they have to be encode.....and I have all the passwords in md5.. |
| 00:51.29 | [Jasper] | question is...can I change pam then to use md5 |
| 00:51.34 | nevyn | [Jasper]: more than that. it details what "test" or series of tests |
| 00:51.48 | nevyn | you need to pass to login |
| 00:52.15 | nevyn | [Jasper]: I find it difficult to believe that you have what you think you have unless you modified pam control files |
| 00:53.09 | [Jasper] | nevyn....why? |
| 00:53.22 | [Jasper] | I installed libnss-mysql....then I changed the nss-mysql-root etc files.. |
| 00:53.30 | [Jasper] | and now I can login with database users? |
| 00:53.36 | nevyn | right so id user in database works right? |
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| 00:53.54 | nevyn | but that doesn't mean you can login with users in the database |
| 00:53.56 | [Jasper] | yes |
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| 00:54.01 | [Jasper] | ? |
| 00:54.02 | nevyn | because it's not controled by nss |
| 00:54.05 | [Jasper] | I can use ssh |
| 00:54.07 | [Jasper] | to login |
| 00:54.09 | [Jasper] | with user/password |
| 00:54.23 | nevyn | from the database? that doesn't exist in /etc/passwd |
| 00:54.28 | [Jasper] | yes |
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| 00:54.57 | nevyn | you just can't login on the console? |
| 00:55.05 | [Jasper] | I can? |
| 00:55.09 | nevyn | ok. |
| 00:55.12 | nevyn | what's the problem. |
| 00:55.30 | [Jasper] | I would like to have the passwords stored in the daatabase |
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| 00:55.34 | [Jasper] | to be in the md5 encoding |
| 00:55.38 | [Jasper] | instead of encode.. |
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| 00:55.43 | nevyn | right. |
| 00:55.48 | [Jasper] | because I have a lot of user passwords of an old box in md5 |
| 00:55.49 | monkeywk | I'm running qmail / simscan / clamav - getting "fatal error 71" everytime a message comes in with an attachment, looks like simscan hands to clamav and clam dies... reading points to permissions however everything looks fine |
| 00:56.06 | monkeywk | anyone have any idea's? |
| 00:56.07 | [Jasper] | and I would like to transfer those users...without having to reset their passwords |
| 00:56.08 | nevyn | that's a mysql thing. |
| 00:56.15 | [Jasper] | why? |
| 00:56.50 | nevyn | well it's a libpam-mysql thing more specifically |
| 00:56.53 | nevyn | because. |
| 00:57.02 | nevyn | to get a session. |
| 00:57.28 | nevyn | ssh gives the credentials to pam and says "is this set of credentials authorised for access" |
| 00:57.45 | [Jasper] | ok, that I understand |
| 00:57.54 | [Jasper] | so I have to tell pam it can expect md5 passwords then |
| 00:58.06 | [Jasper] | instead of the regular encode? |
| 00:58.08 | nevyn | pam then asks the libpam-mysql shared library if that set of credentials is permitted access. |
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| 00:58.39 | nevyn | libpam-mysql then encodes the password fetches the user from the DB and compares the crypted passwords. |
| 00:59.10 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 00:59.19 | [Jasper] | so nevyn how am I gonna tell it to use md5? |
| 00:59.31 | nevyn | check the configuration of libpam-mysql |
| 01:00.05 | nevyn | it may that I have it slightly wrong and pam oneway encrypts the passwords before handing them to libpam-mysql |
| 01:00.30 | [Jasper] | which configuration file would that be exactly? |
| 01:01.53 | [Jasper] | # The "md5" option enables MD5 passwords. Without this option, the |
| 01:01.53 | [Jasper] | # default is Unix crypt. |
| 01:01.55 | [Jasper] | that would be nice |
| 01:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why should it make a difference if the passwords are stored in a database or a file |
| 01:02.41 | nevyn | so you need to pass crypt=3 |
| 01:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds to me like pam does the encrypting |
| 01:02.59 | nevyn | it would make sense |
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| 01:03.07 | [Jasper] | nevyn hmm it allready says md5 in my config.. |
| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | in any case and md5 encryption within the password file just works fine, encryption type is autodetected by the first two characters |
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| 01:03.29 | nevyn | according to bug #373834 |
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| 01:03.50 | nevyn | crypt=3 needs to be passwd to libpam-mysql from the pam conf files |
| 01:04.12 | [Jasper] | where did you find that nevyn ? |
| 01:04.17 | nevyn | in the bug. |
| 01:04.20 | nevyn | as I mentioned |
| 01:05.06 | [Jasper] | url? |
| 01:05.39 | mentor | !dpkg bug 373834 |
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| 01:07.04 | mentor | !bug 373834 |
| 01:07.15 | mentor | !bts 373834 |
| 01:07.20 | mentor | OK, I give up |
| 01:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mentor gives up |
| 01:07.33 | nevyn | !bts |
| 01:07.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 01:08.05 | nevyn | [Jasper]: so http://bugs.debian.org/373834 |
| 01:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor, actually, one usually tries the use in private messages... |
| 01:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you meant was |
| 01:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dbugs 373834 |
| 01:08.33 | dpkg | DONE:#373834:I[libpam-mysql] Enable non-crypt()ish MD5 hash in libpam-mysql (patch); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:48:15 UTC [] |
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| 01:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the url nevyn is more useful |
| 01:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | pasted* |
| 01:09.14 | mentor | I could have sworn there was a URI one too |
| 01:09.25 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: pasted nothing.. hand interpreeted from my brain to this channel. |
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| 01:10.23 | [Jasper] | nevyn this actually looks like a lot of setup |
| 01:10.35 | [Jasper] | not something to be looked at at 03:10 :P |
| 01:10.44 | nevyn | what you're doing is considered relativly difficult |
| 01:11.09 | [Jasper] | weird thing is....why does my database login stuff work without libpam-mysql actually setup in the first place |
| 01:11.37 | nevyn | I don't see how it can quite frankly |
| 01:11.49 | nevyn | libnss doesn't provide any sort of authentication services |
| 01:11.54 | nevyn | it's purely name services |
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| 01:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | look for a switch at the side of the computer... |
| 01:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it set to "more magic"? |
| 01:12.30 | nevyn | jargon-five's CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:12.46 | mentor | Local connections can use ident |
| 01:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | (compare http://www.google.com/search?q=magic "more magic" ) |
| 01:13.24 | mentor | That whole story is silly |
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| 01:13.35 | nevyn | no it isn't |
| 01:13.35 | mentor | Everyone knows about chassis ground |
| 01:13.57 | nevyn | ground is always ground.. except when it isn't |
| 01:14.09 | mentor | ... |
| 01:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that like all people who're equal except the ones who're more equal? |
| 01:14.21 | mentor | The switch just shorts a pin |
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| 01:14.31 | nevyn | it wasn't shorting a pin |
| 01:14.34 | nevyn | that was the point |
| 01:14.40 | mentor | Yes it was |
| 01:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks in direction of #debian-offtopic |
| 01:14.52 | nevyn | it was shorting a pad which was supposed to be at ground to a different ground |
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| 01:15.07 | nevyn | snacks on brie and apple |
| 01:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't - only one side of the switch was connected |
| 01:15.24 | mentor | That sounds like the definition of what a short is |
| 01:15.34 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: The other side was connected to the chassis |
| 01:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not in the story I read |
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| 01:16.16 | [Jasper] | ok so I'm gonna add that auth stuff in auth.common nevyn |
| 01:16.19 | [Jasper] | can that contain 2 files? |
| 01:16.26 | [Jasper] | erm I mean 2 lines ...in auth.common |
| 01:17.03 | nevyn | sure |
| 01:17.05 | [Jasper] | 2 auth requireds |
| 01:17.31 | nevyn | required are like they say required |
| 01:17.37 | nevyn | you may want to change the current line. |
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| 01:17.45 | nevyn | to sufficient and have two sufficients |
| 01:18.35 | nevyn | like I said earlier.. |
| 01:19.06 | nevyn | pam really is a rule based domain specific language for authentication session account and password capabilities |
| 01:19.18 | nevyn | btw the password capability is for password changing. |
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| 01:20.29 | HellMind | How can I run starx and some appz at startup like x11vnc and iceweasel ? |
| 01:20.45 | nevyn | HellMind: use a display manager |
| 01:21.05 | HellMind | Idont want to use a display manager because I only need iceweasel |
| 01:21.10 | nevyn | configure it for autologin, then configure the apps to start session |
| 01:21.43 | nevyn | you could startx from cron and then have a .Xsession that starts that stuff. |
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| 01:21.55 | [Jasper] | nice nice nice nevyn |
| 01:21.59 | [Jasper] | I can now use md5 passwds :P |
| 01:22.01 | HellMind | Its configured with autologin |
| 01:22.14 | HellMind | I got startx on the .profile |
| 01:22.15 | nevyn | HellMind: ? |
| 01:22.19 | [Jasper] | hmm guess not nevyn...now it accepts ANY password :/ |
| 01:22.30 | [Jasper] | sucky |
| 01:22.31 | HellMind | How can I use .Xsession to start stuff? |
| 01:22.42 | nevyn | [Jasper]: beware pam locking yourself out |
| 01:22.58 | nevyn | [Jasper]: have a root session sitting around somewhere incase you screw it up. |
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| 01:23.36 | [Jasper] | nevyn it's virtual |
| 01:23.38 | [Jasper] | no worries :) |
| 01:23.45 | [Jasper] | test box |
| 01:24.00 | nevyn | [Jasper]: with pam you can prevent root loging in at the console. |
| 01:24.07 | nevyn | is what I'm saying |
| 01:25.01 | [Jasper] | nevyn yes I see, but I can always enter the box |
| 01:25.06 | [Jasper] | it's a openvz box. |
| 01:25.10 | nevyn | how? |
| 01:25.31 | [Jasper] | I just locked myself out...added 2 required lines |
| 01:25.32 | [Jasper] | :P |
| 01:25.37 | nevyn | so you can mess with the vm's files from the host |
| 01:25.45 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 01:25.58 | [Jasper] | or just type vzctl enter 234 |
| 01:26.01 | [Jasper] | for example |
| 01:26.21 | nevyn | what's that DO? |
| 01:27.00 | [Jasper] | it enters the machine without having to supply any form of passwords.. |
| 01:27.03 | [Jasper] | btw nevyn : pam_mysql - non-crypt()ish MD5 hash is not supported in this build. |
| 01:27.07 | [Jasper] | now I reached that stage.. |
| 01:27.12 | [Jasper] | guess I need to rebuild it.. |
| 01:27.48 | nevyn | see bug. |
| 01:27.56 | nevyn | what build? |
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| 01:30.50 | [Jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.14 | [Jasper] | it's fixed in 0.7 I see... |
| 01:31.22 | [Jasper] | gah..thats not in debian stable.. |
| 01:31.25 | nevyn | no. |
| 01:31.26 | eyeris | xlsfonts shows an oriya font installed, but I can't determine which package it is from, in order to uninstall it. |
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| 01:31.44 | nevyn | I'm supprised the bug isn't tagged security. |
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| 01:32.35 | [Jasper] | so how am I gonna fix this except building it myself.. |
| 01:32.48 | [Jasper] | it's not on backports either |
| 01:33.10 | eyeris | Jasper is 0.7 in debian testing? |
| 01:33.24 | [Jasper] | I'm not gonna go there :p |
| 01:33.35 | [Jasper] | have way to little knowhow to go for testing |
| 01:33.38 | eyeris | Then you're going to have to build it yourself |
| 01:33.59 | eyeris | testing doesn't imply that the software itself is not reliable |
| 01:34.05 | nietaki | Arrowmaster: thanks for the tips you gave me a month ago or so, when I finally got around to it and took the time to read the manuals it worked like a charm ;) |
| 01:34.07 | eyeris | testing refers to package testing |
| 01:34.26 | [Jasper] | testing has 0.7 yes eyeris |
| 01:35.48 | [Jasper] | so I can only get that package from testing eyeris. |
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| 01:36.39 | eyeris | Jasper you will need it's dependencies, but yes, you can download just the .debs you need |
| 01:36.44 | eyeris | without making apt follow testing |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | [Jasper]: please don't mix versions of debian |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | something like pam_mysql will lead to pain |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | eyeris: are you going to help him fix it when it breaks ? |
| 01:39.47 | [Jasper] | abrotman I'm not planning to do that.. |
| 01:39.56 | [Jasper] | but I will need that new version of pam_mysl |
| 01:40.11 | [Jasper] | or at least that bugfix implemented |
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| 01:41.48 | [Jasper] | any suggestions abrotman ? |
| 01:42.05 | eyeris | abrotman: I would try. Are you going to give him a better solution? :) |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | eyeris: you mean besides breaking the machine ? |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | he could at least try to build the source package |
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| 01:42.43 | eyeris | abrotman: yeah, he turned that down already |
| 01:42.54 | [Jasper] | I didnt actually turn it down.. |
| 01:42.59 | eyeris | then do it |
| 01:43.02 | eyeris | :) |
| 01:43.19 | [Jasper] | I just don't prefer to install all kinds of compilation stuff on a box which is gonna be a production machine |
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| 01:44.16 | abrotman | so you'd rather mix versions ? |
| 01:44.55 | eyeris | How can I determine which package installed each font listed by xlsfonts? |
| 01:45.06 | [Jasper] | no abrotman I rather not |
| 01:45.20 | [Jasper] | I can compile a .deb right? |
| 01:45.23 | [Jasper] | on the machine? |
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| 01:48.59 | [Jasper] | I'll create the new .deb |
| 01:49.06 | [Jasper] | then do a clean install with the new .deb |
| 01:49.24 | [Jasper] | like I said. don't want 200+ packages for compile on a production machine |
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| 01:57.26 | [Jasper] | hmm abrotman why would I get a complaint |
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| 01:57.38 | [Jasper] | when trying to recompile this packages...saying I need other dependencies? |
| 01:57.48 | [Jasper] | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libpam0g-dev libmysqlclient15-dev libssl-dev |
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| 01:58.13 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 01:58.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 02:00.06 | [Jasper] | ok it's recompiling |
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| 02:05.19 | mogunus | Hi. how do I tell what version of radeonhd is installed? It's an xorg graphics driver. |
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| 02:05.35 | abrotman | mogunus: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
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| 02:06.20 | [Jasper] | nevyn are you stil here? |
| 02:07.20 | mogunus | Hmmm. So is it worth it to go to testing to get a cheap ATI card and lose my nvidia-related memory leaks... |
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| 02:09.55 | near | hi |
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| 02:10.06 | near | anybody uses vmware server 2? |
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| 02:13.14 | nevyn | [Jasper]: ish |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | near: ask your real question |
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| 02:15.36 | nevyn | near: that would be OT for here unless you're talking about debian running on vmware or running vmware server on debian |
| 02:15.50 | nevyn | even then it's pretty dubious as to the OTness of it. |
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| 02:20.50 | karsten | Trying dual head. Lenny, xrandr. 2nd monitor gives "out of range" on-screen display. |
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| 02:21.04 | karsten | Trying to do 1280x1024, which it supports (it's twin of #1). |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | too high of bit rate ? |
| 02:21.19 | karsten | Any troubleshooting suggestions? I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 now. |
| 02:21.24 | nevyn | karsten: what's the output name? |
| 02:21.29 | near | oh i forgot i dont use debian anymore |
| 02:21.42 | karsten | nevyn: LVDS. DVI vs. VGA (#1). |
| 02:21.47 | near | switched to ubuntu because it wouldnt take my dual monitor im used to entering this channel |
| 02:21.49 | near | thanks anyways |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | bye! |
| 02:21.56 | karsten | nevyn: I see cloned display at boot and on console. |
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| 02:22.08 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:22.20 | nevyn | so you have 3 outputs? |
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| 02:22.32 | nevyn | or LVDS and VGA ? |
| 02:22.33 | karsten | nevyn: No, just two. 1 VGA, 1 DVI |
| 02:22.48 | karsten | VGA-0, LVDS, S-video (disconnected) |
| 02:23.04 | karsten | supposes that might make 3 on a good day. |
| 02:23.19 | beardy | !squeeze pool |
| 02:23.27 | shiheir | hi. how do i set my debian repo? im new to debian |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | you forgot the 1 |
| 02:23.37 | nevyn | ok |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | shiheir: debian.org/mirrors/list and man sources.list |
| 02:23.57 | karsten | shiheir: Should be automatically set by installer. What abrotman said. man sources.list. |
| 02:23.59 | nevyn | so karsten so VGA-0 is working? and you're trying to make LVDS work? |
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| 02:24.04 | beardy | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 02:24.04 | dpkg | ! NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 Titan8990=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 02:24.07 | karsten | nevyn: Correct. |
| 02:24.11 | nevyn | has never seen an LVDS external cable |
| 02:24.23 | nevyn | karsten: is this a laptop? |
| 02:24.43 | karsten | nevyn: For grins I was running 'import' (screenshot tool in ImageMagick), which thinks dual head runs. |
| 02:24.48 | karsten | nevyn: No, desktop. |
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| 02:25.07 | nevyn | so xrandr --output LVDS --auto --right-of VGA-0 |
| 02:25.20 | karsten | nevyn: HP minitower ... |
| 02:25.21 | karsten | nevyn: Sec. |
| 02:25.33 | karsten | Radeon graphics carde ... Product Name: HP Compaq dc5750 Microtower |
| 02:25.45 | karsten | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
| 02:25.49 | nevyn | substitudte left of above or below as appropriate |
| 02:25.53 | karsten | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
| 02:25.58 | karsten | Sorry. |
| 02:26.01 | karsten | Now that command ... |
| 02:26.18 | nevyn | so how is the LVDS connected to the monitor? |
| 02:26.31 | karsten | nevyn: Screen blanks for a second, the xrandr appears to have run successfully. |
| 02:26.42 | karsten | checks $?. Yep, zero. |
| 02:26.45 | karsten | nevyn: DVI cable. |
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| 02:27.00 | nevyn | so that's not LVDS |
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| 02:27.29 | karsten | nevyn: It's not? |
| 02:27.31 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 02:27.39 | karsten | nevyn: I think there's a second graphics controller. |
| 02:27.52 | nevyn | karsten: there may be. |
| 02:27.52 | karsten | 01:05.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress Series (RS482) |
| 02:27.56 | karsten | From LSPCI. |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | karsten: lspci | grep VGA .. should show them all |
| 02:28.31 | karsten | abrotman: I've got that from a 'system-info' script I wrote a long time back. That + dmidecode + hwinfo and other goodness. |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | would be happy wiht "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 02:29.11 | karsten | abrotman: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
| 02:29.21 | karsten | abrotman: I'd already posted that ;-) |
| 02:29.28 | nevyn | there's only one card right? |
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| 02:29.36 | karsten | abrotman: ... and the static file is useful when everything blows up and you try to figure out why. |
| 02:29.39 | abrotman | karsten: what does 'xrandr' say ? |
| 02:29.39 | nevyn | there's not lik 01:05.1 or something |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | use a pastebin |
| 02:30.00 | karsten | nevyn: there is, pasted above. |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | those are the same ... |
| 02:30.18 | nevyn | put it in a pastebin |
| 02:30.22 | karsten | abrotman: Just 'xrandr' or verbose? |
| 02:30.30 | nevyn | verbose never hurts. |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | just by itself |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | karsten: lspci;xrandr |
| 02:30.49 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/71887/ |
| 02:31.16 | karsten | lspci: http://paste.debian.net/71888/ |
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| 02:31.59 | karsten | lines 20 & 21 are the display controllre. |
| 02:32.43 | karsten | Yeah, looks like one device, not sure why two bus entries. |
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| 02:33.36 | karsten | Any ideas? |
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| 02:33.55 | helo_ | every time i reboot, i have to reinstall the nvidia driver before X will start |
| 02:33.59 | nevyn | they're multiple devices on a single pci slot. |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | helo_: did you install with the .sh from nvidia.com ? |
| 02:34.17 | karsten | helo_: add the device to /etc/modules |
| 02:34.46 | helo_ | abrotman: yes |
| 02:35.16 | helo_ | abrotman: several months back when i switched to sid... nevermind, unsupported |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | double whammy? |
| 02:35.51 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 02:35.51 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | gone! |
| 02:36.06 | nevyn | aw. |
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| 02:36.42 | nevyn | karsten: so I'm not sure but it's possible that X needs special magic for that card. |
| 02:36.54 | nevyn | can you pastbin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? |
| 02:37.24 | nevyn | karsten: if you unplug the DVI does LVDS report disconnected? |
| 02:38.35 | karsten | nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/71889/ |
| 02:39.10 | karsten | nevyn: .. checking |
| 02:39.31 | karsten | nevyn: I've disconnected the DVI cable, LVDS still reports connected. |
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| 02:39.55 | karsten | nevyn: Fix #2 is to get a large single display. |
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| 02:40.06 | karsten | nevyn: I've gotta get out of here now, but thanks. |
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| 02:40.25 | karsten | nevyn: I may check in late tonight, else I'll be back tomorrow. |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | do they make firmware updates for the video cards? |
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| 02:40.49 | karsten | abrotman: I can't even find it on AMD's site, was just looking for it. |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | should be there somewhere |
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| 02:41.28 | karsten | abrotman: Isn't that what she said? |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | your ex? NFC |
| 02:41.51 | karsten | abrotman: ouch. |
| 02:41.59 | abrotman | night! |
| 02:42.16 | karsten | g'night |
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| 02:52.24 | Rezagrats | Is there a command that i could use to check what version of Debian i'm using ? |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | !version |
| 02:52.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 03:07.47 | Gm4n | I have a borked netatalk package (I was trying to compile and install myself). apt-get purge won't work, how can I get rid of it? |
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| 03:16.49 | wols_ | depends how you compiled and installed it |
| 03:17.36 | Gm4n | I actually managed to fix by fixing my hostname and reinstalling |
| 03:18.03 | Gm4n | hostname --short was throwing errors, which broke init script, which etc. All better now :) |
| 03:18.17 | iwkse | hi, is possible to do the same of apt-get -t codename install foo with source packages? |
| 03:20.23 | aiux | sound like a ssb , /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 03:28.31 | edwardthefma | hello all |
| 03:28.46 | edwardthefma | has a genral computer question |
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| 03:37.21 | nevyn | eledesmar: that's nice. |
| 03:37.32 | nevyn | !tell eledesmar about ask |
| 03:39.34 | ham5 | ;) |
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| 03:57.24 | shiheir | hi... im getting error when using ftp.hk.debian.org as repo |
| 03:57.35 | shiheir | it seems that some file is not there |
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| 03:58.58 | chut | hi people, i havea problem :) |
| 03:59.11 | chut | how come when i open gedit it just hang up there |
| 03:59.19 | shiheir | there is no http://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 03:59.30 | chut | and it doesn't response, i tried to removed .conf* folders and .gnome2 |
| 03:59.42 | chut | i can open gedit as root, how come? |
| 04:00.37 | ham5 | how come??? you tell us |
| 04:00.37 | wols_ | shiheir: then try another mirror? |
| 04:00.49 | wols_ | chut: try running gnome/gedit under a new user |
| 04:01.11 | chut | why wols_ |
| 04:01.12 | chut | ? |
| 04:01.17 | chut | i want to run this username |
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| 04:03.58 | wols_ | chut: for debugging |
| 04:04.03 | chut | oh |
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| 04:04.11 | chut | i have only this user |
| 04:04.25 | chut | let me try to create another nick later, thanks wols_ :) |
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| 04:05.40 | simonrvn | um, why... nm |
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| 04:16.26 | ham5 | ;\ |
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| 04:21.20 | woodgrain | I just did a make install ... but I can't find the program I installed ... not in updatedb && locate |
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| 04:22.52 | ham5 | cool |
| 04:22.54 | ham5 | thats really neat |
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| 04:27.10 | dbbolton | i get this error tring to install virtualbox-ose from squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/71904/ |
| 04:27.22 | dbbolton | i already removed all the modules from the old version |
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| 04:28.15 | ham5 | errors when configuring? |
| 04:28.20 | ham5 | they are what |
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| 04:29.05 | dbbolton | ham5: are you asking me? |
| 04:29.33 | ham5 | dbbolton: na |
| 04:29.42 | dbbolton | oh ok |
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| 04:30.46 | ham5 | dbbolton you removed everything virtualbox and tried again? |
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| 04:31.05 | ham5 | stable works? |
| 04:32.31 | wols_ | dpkg -l virtualbox |
| 04:32.31 | dpkg | ii virtualbox 2.8-3 wols_'s private stamp collection |
| 04:32.37 | wols_ | dpkg: not you! |
| 04:32.37 | dpkg | not me! |
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| 04:35.27 | ham5 | can you attach a gnome session on another box? |
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| 04:37.38 | dbbolton | ham5 i'll try reinstalling |
| 04:37.42 | WormFood | what is the logic behind stable using an out-of-date version of openvpn (2.1_rc11) vs. the latest released version (2.1.1)? is it with the idea they tested 2.1_rc11, and didn't test the newest? |
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| 04:38.25 | ham5 | what ever the whole logic in stable is wormfood I suppose |
| 04:38.52 | ham5 | I think anyone with sence runs testing anyway |
| 04:39.41 | WormFood | wow, what a useless statement...I run testing or unusable (unstable) on my personal machine, but for my production server, I run stable with good reason...however, it is sad to see some things woefully out of date |
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| 04:40.14 | ham5 | u would run something out of date on a production server? |
| 04:40.21 | ham5 | not I |
| 04:40.22 | WormFood | and what is "sence", is that some british spelling of "sense"? |
| 04:40.31 | ham5 | sorry personal statement |
| 04:40.58 | ham5 | dont take offence to my uselesness and poor grammer and spelling |
| 04:41.27 | WormFood | I don't take "offence" at it :P |
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| 04:42.49 | WormFood | as I always say when I make a spelling mistake....i have perfect spelling, I'm just a terrible typist ;) |
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| 04:43.54 | ham5 | I could have just threw out some dbkg bot trigger spewing some blah blah stables stables blah crap :) |
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| 04:44.30 | umarzuki | morning all |
| 04:44.46 | umarzuki | how do i setup icedove 3 on squeeze to use pop3 server? |
| 04:45.05 | umarzuki | when i set incoming por to 110, it says not imap4 server |
| 04:45.09 | ham5 | um that drop down box in the prefs |
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| 04:50.13 | wols_ | WormFood: stable is STABLE. "stable" means it never changes except for security updates |
| 04:50.19 | wols_ | !stable |
| 04:50.19 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 04:51.17 | wols_ | ham5: how is stable "out of date"? you rather run bleeding edge, untested software on a production server? |
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| 04:51.53 | WormFood | why would I run RC software on a production server? |
| 04:52.11 | WormFood | stable is like frozen in time |
| 04:52.56 | wols_ | exactly. and debian made sure that, at that time, everything worked as intended |
| 04:53.27 | wols_ | ,versions openvpn |
| 04:53.29 | judd | openvpn -- etch: 2.0.9-4etch1; lenny: 2.1~rc11-1; sid: 2.1.0-2; squeeze: 2.1.0-2 |
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| 04:56.23 | K0JIbKA | I enjoy Debian Stable. Everything is great! A little bit compatibility with Toshiba laptops would be extremely appreciated though. Just resently I managed to activate internal bluetooth adapter. I'm not expert in command line and everything I could was done in GNOME. Same like most other systems an icon appears in panel bar whenever I used to type <modprobe omnibook ectype=14>. It took me some time to set everything with the kind help from http://www.linux |
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| 04:58.30 | TehRabbitt | Hello everyone, having an issue trying to install a module using asterisk... the "make" file won't compile at all and is instead giving me an error |
| 04:59.12 | TehRabbitt | sccp_actions.c:42: error: redefinition of âstruct ast_haâ |
| 04:59.13 | TehRabbitt | make: *** [.tmp/sccp_actions.o] Error 1 |
| 05:00.00 | chark2904 | what is the module you try to compile? |
| 05:00.13 | TehRabbitt | chan_sccp-b |
| 05:00.17 | wols_ | maybe try another gcc version? older versions might not be as strict as newer ones. check the writer of said code |
| 05:00.35 | TehRabbitt | wols_: I just updated GCC so how do I go back? |
| 05:01.53 | chark2904 | apt-get remove... and then apt-get install... ;-) |
| 05:02.00 | TehRabbitt | Tried that... |
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| 05:02.07 | TehRabbitt | installs the same version |
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| 05:02.25 | TehRabbitt | it compiled last night without having g++ installed... i ran "apt-get install g++" today and now it wont compile |
| 05:02.47 | dbbolton | i removed sun's virtualbox package, but /etc/init.d/vboxsrv still exists. should i rm it? |
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| 05:03.16 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
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| 05:04.08 | umarzuki | ham5: there's no option after setup. But i can stop the auto-scan during setup and change from imap to pop3 |
| 05:04.08 | chark2904 | why would configuration file for vbox interfere with gcc... what is your gcc version |
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| 05:05.14 | aixenv | if is possible if you're doing a find . to still print the full path ? |
| 05:05.18 | aixenv | *is it |
| 05:05.28 | TehRabbitt | G++ and GCC are separate correct? how come one installs the other but the other installs the other in an older version? |
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| 05:05.51 | aixenv | ie: say im 3 levels deep and i do a find . -type f -name '*.something '-print (can i make it still print that first 3 levels)?) |
| 05:06.25 | chark2904 | @TehRabbitt ... can you please gcc -V |
| 05:06.51 | chark2904 | i mean gcc -v in a terminal |
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| 05:07.36 | TehRabbitt | chark2904: http://pastebin.com/tYmAvJ95 |
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| 05:09.02 | Tramp | aixenv: -exec readlink -f maybe |
| 05:09.57 | aixenv | Tramp: awesome dude ty !! (find . -type f -name '*.php' -exec readlink -f {} \; <== worked like a charm) |
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| 05:11.03 | TehRabbitt | wtf? |
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| 05:11.03 | TehRabbitt | everyone quit haha |
| 05:11.03 | TehRabbitt | 0_o |
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| 05:11.57 | courpse | Where can i find a deb for qt 4.5+? |
| 05:11.58 | K0JIbKA | seems like time to sleep in US... |
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| 05:13.53 | peterrooney | , versions qt4-x11 |
| 05:13.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'qt4-x11' was found. |
| 05:14.19 | peterrooney | , versions libqt4-dev |
| 05:14.20 | judd | libqt4-dev -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1; etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1; lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.6.2-4; squeeze: 4:4.6.2-4 |
| 05:14.26 | K0JIbKA | libriries? |
| 05:14.42 | courpse | Yeah, am on lenny. |
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| 05:16.14 | krisfremen | damn netsplits |
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| 05:16.36 | K0JIbKA | courpse: try to read<apt-cache search qt> |
| 05:16.54 | courpse | I didnt see anythingi n there for qt4.5+. |
| 05:17.01 | courpse | only qt4.3+ |
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| 05:19.29 | chark2904 | @TehRabbitt sorry had problem, read the link, try to revert back to gcc 3.4 if you can... |
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| 05:23.11 | chark2904 | I'm not familiar with amd64 platform but i would try it ... |
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| 05:29.53 | aixenv | curious if someone can tell me a cleaner way to do this? |
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| 05:30.07 | aixenv | find . -type f -not -iname "*.avi" -not -iname "*.mpg" -not -iname "*.gif" -not -iname "*.mov" -not -iname "*.rar" -not -iname "*.mp4" -not -iname "*.jpg" -not -iname "*.png" -not -iname "*.flv" -not -iname "*.psd" -not -iname "*.tif" -exec readlink -f {} \; > filelist |
| 05:30.30 | aixenv | i was thinking about grouping them with { } 's but other than that, is there really a "cleaner" way to exact the same results? |
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| 05:33.25 | Tramp | aixenv: (i)regex (with the right --regex-type). But it's not much nicer |
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| 05:35.16 | aixenv | yea i figure it does the trick even if it isnt that "pretty" |
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| 05:36.09 | Tramp | find . -regextype posix-extended -not -iregex '.*\.(avi|mpg)' and so on |
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| 05:47.25 | HellMind | I run my xorg from .proflie , i do startx, then in xsession i run iceweasel and at the end exec tinywm, or any wm, but the wm never loads, why? |
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| 05:49.06 | HellMind | if I do update-alternatives --list x-window-manager or --config I see everything is right |
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| 05:53.00 | HellMind | so how I must startx with a wm?, I tried startx -m blackbox or statx blackbox, but it says some xterm command err |
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| 05:55.17 | aixenv | hey one other question fellas |
| 05:55.40 | aixenv | im trying to do an rsync of a file list from one server to another |
| 05:55.42 | aixenv | i thought this would work |
| 05:55.48 | Bop | HellMind, doesnt tinywm haves a exec like startxfce4 on xfce ? |
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| 05:56.06 | aixenv | rsync -av --files-from=mylistoffiles $user$server:/path/to/rsync/to/ |
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| 05:57.11 | HellMind | yes |
| 05:57.41 | HellMind | my problem is about the way to load the wm without dm or gdm |
| 05:58.32 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 05:58.32 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 05:58.57 | simonrvn | HellMind: make yourself one of those ^^^ and run startx & |
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| 06:05.20 | aixenv | hrm this isnt working it's balking |
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| 06:07.39 | HellMind | my problem was that I missed an & :( |
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| 06:15.56 | civillian | Hi all. At Debian install it says 'Getting the time from a network time server', does anyone know which time protocol it uses? time/ntp? |
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| 06:18.18 | Bop | civillian, NTP |
| 06:18.41 | civillian | Bop, thank you very much |
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| 06:20.04 | civillian | Bop, do you know if it's possible to override the Debian install time server using a DHCP option? |
| 06:20.48 | Bop | civillian, cant understand what ntp have to do it dhcp |
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| 06:21.25 | aixenv | any rsync gurus know how to rsync a list of files from a file list? |
| 06:21.27 | civillian | Bop, for example I am behind a corporate firewall which disallows direct connectivity, but I run a NTP server internally |
| 06:21.52 | Bop | civillian, sure |
| 06:22.40 | Bop | civillian, aptitude install ntpdate |
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| 06:22.50 | Bop | ntpdate your.server.ntp |
| 06:23.08 | Bop | its a ntp client |
| 06:23.22 | civillian | Bop, cheers :) |
| 06:23.38 | Bop | then u can set it up for running once a day or once a week , in cron |
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| 06:26.03 | amee2k | wtf |
| 06:26.09 | amee2k | i can't install stuff anymore |
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| 06:26.20 | amee2k | dpkg-preconfigure segfaults |
| 06:27.08 | wols_ | bad start into the day. lenny? upgraded perl? |
| 06:27.31 | amee2k | http://pastebin.com/v59upxVz |
| 06:27.49 | amee2k | fresh install, 5.03 |
| 06:28.00 | amee2k | i take it this is normal? |
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| 06:29.39 | amee2k | wols_: any idea how to fix this? |
| 06:29.45 | wols_ | I hope segfaults aren't normal for debian :) not even sid :) |
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| 06:30.44 | wols_ | boot from livecd and reinstall perl via dpkg -x (or whatever "extract" was) |
| 06:30.56 | amee2k | hmmm installing stuff with apt-get install seems to still work |
| 06:30.57 | wols_ | line 1 of dpkg-reconfigure looks like perl |
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| 06:31.14 | wols_ | also checkw hat line 2655 of the script is and what it belongs to |
| 06:31.41 | wols_ | installing smartmontools with apt-get worked but with aptitude did not? |
| 06:31.49 | amee2k | erm, does it have to be the live cd? the system is headless and optical drive-less |
| 06:31.56 | amee2k | wols_: yeah |
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| 06:33.57 | wols_ | dpkg -x should work directly as well I guess |
| 06:33.57 | dpkg | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
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| 06:35.04 | wols_ | but: if apt-get works and aptitude doesn't, this is puzzling. check line 2655 (if that is a line number) |
| 06:35.15 | wols_ | what debugging aids does perl have? |
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| 06:35.38 | amee2k | i usually use print ;) |
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| 06:36.19 | amee2k | and its probably not a line number. that file only has 148 lines |
| 06:36.48 | amee2k | would be more believable that it is the PID though |
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| 06:37.07 | amee2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.07 | amee2k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.38 | amee2k | which package do i need to reinstall? |
| 06:37.44 | amee2k | pool/main/p/perl/perl-base_5.10.0-19lenny2_i386.deb ? |
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| 06:41.04 | wols_ | run debsums over all the dpkg and debconf packages you can find. especially the one dpkg-preconfigure is in |
| 06:41.21 | wols_ | debconf depends on perl and various perl extensions and modules |
| 06:41.43 | amee2k | just reinstalled the perl package. different problem, same difference now |
| 06:41.47 | amee2k | http://pastebin.com/CdRjRYu6 |
| 06:44.32 | amee2k | running debsums now. could take a while on this box though |
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| 06:47.25 | amee2k | wtf |
| 06:47.36 | amee2k | now ssh is crapping out too? |
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| 06:48.16 | wols_ | amee2k: you wanted to run smartmontools. is this a flaky box? maybe run memtest instead? |
| 06:50.01 | simonrvn | might be: |
| 06:50.03 | simonrvn | !available |
| 06:50.04 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
| 06:50.18 | simonrvn | or not |
| 06:50.18 | petern_ | argh, none of my firewire stuff works now :s |
| 06:50.43 | amee2k | wols_: well, its a fresh install. i thought i had cured all the flakyness, thats why i want to put it back into service now |
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| 06:51.13 | amee2k | and yeah, my next question would have been whether this could be a sign of ram crapping out or something |
| 06:51.32 | amee2k | i just wired up a terminal and hard reset the box. installing memtest now |
| 06:52.03 | Gm4n | what's wrong with `find . -depth 1 -type d`? It runs perfectly on my OSX box, and says "find: paths must precede expression: 1" on my debian system :( |
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| 06:53.45 | simonrvn | syntax? path is ok, but not sure about that -depth, try -maxdepth |
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| 06:54.21 | simonrvn | worked fine with -maxdepth. be aware find on os x is bsd find whereas on linux it's 99% sure to be gnu find |
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| 06:54.52 | simonrvn | pay attention to the tools ;) |
| 06:55.20 | simonrvn | petern_: plug/re-plug ? ;P |
| 06:55.22 | Gm4n | gotcha |
| 06:55.24 | Gm4n | thanks :) |
| 06:55.27 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:55.38 | Gm4n | I was reading the osx man page instead, expecting them to be the same. |
| 06:56.02 | simonrvn | Tsk tsk |
| 06:57.11 | aixenv | mac os is bsd based (as he stated), where was debian is gnu/linux |
| 06:57.16 | aixenv | s/was/as |
| 06:57.47 | petern_ | nah, i was wrong. seems it's ffmpeg2theora that doesn't work. |
| 06:57.53 | simonrvn | um, didn't i say that, indirectly? ;p |
| 06:58.04 | aixenv | hence why i said (as he stated) :) |
| 06:58.05 | simonrvn | petern_: killitkillitnow |
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| 06:58.09 | petern_ | :( |
| 06:58.10 | simonrvn | aixenv: ;) |
| 06:58.16 | petern_ | it's already not working :p |
| 06:58.17 | amee2k | screw this. i can't even get in anymore. login is segfaulting. much lessinstall memtest |
| 06:58.23 | amee2k | i'm pulling the ram |
| 06:58.39 | simonrvn | try with a known good stick |
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| 06:58.57 | amee2k | yeah |
| 06:59.23 | simonrvn | (here i go stating the obvious again) |
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| 07:03.24 | wols_ | where would I find people who have dabbled in cgroups before? the docs I can find with google are a bit lacking |
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| 07:07.42 | dev2 | when I do apt-get install ruby I expect it should give me the newest version, but it doesn't. What am I doing wrong? Do I not have the approrpiate repo? |
| 07:08.06 | wols_ | ,versions ruby |
| 07:08.08 | judd | ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.4; squeeze: 4.4 |
| 07:08.15 | wols_ | ,versions ruby1.8 |
| 07:08.16 | judd | ruby1.8 -- etch: 1.8.5-4etch4; etch-security: 1.8.5-4etch5; etch-backports: 1.8.7.72-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-security: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; sid: 1.8.7.249-3; squeeze: 1.8.7.249-3 |
| 07:08.23 | wols_ | ,versions ruby1.9 |
| 07:08.24 | judd | ruby1.9 -- etch: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch4; etch-security: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch5; lenny: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1; lenny-security: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1 |
| 07:08.29 | wols_ | see the mess? |
| 07:08.33 | amee2k | ummm isn't that normal? |
| 07:08.55 | wols_ | that ruby versions are a mess? I guess yes it is :) |
| 07:09.00 | amee2k | thats why its called "debian package syndrome" :P |
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| 07:09.55 | dev2 | so... how do I apt-get the newest version then? |
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| 07:10.10 | wols_ | it might have to do with script languages tho: python is similar and so is perl (to a lesser extent) |
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| 07:10.22 | wols_ | dev2: see above and choose what you want |
| 07:11.06 | amee2k | wtf is it with this pos box. now the fan is stuck >_> |
| 07:11.28 | wols_ | amee2k: weld a grip on it so you can throw it away farther? |
| 07:11.33 | amee2k | well, thanks wols_ for your help. i think it is a ram issue. i just installed memtest86 with another stick and aptitude just fine |
| 07:11.43 | dev2 | I dont really understand what I'm supposed to do |
| 07:11.43 | amee2k | LOL wols_ |
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| 07:12.06 | wols_ | dev2: we don't understand what you want either |
| 07:12.22 | dev2 | I want to install ruby 1.9.x |
| 07:12.34 | wols_ | then do it. see above for what to install |
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| 07:12.54 | man8 | hola , hi all |
| 07:13.10 | dev2 | I just assumed that apt-get install ruby should do that |
| 07:13.11 | amee2k | just for the protocol, i don't get it either >_> |
| 07:13.33 | wols_ | dev2: there is more than one ruby version available in debian |
| 07:13.48 | petern_ | hmm |
| 07:13.49 | amee2k | oh, one thing about debian. don't assume. or thats gonna come around and bite you ;) |
| 07:14.08 | dev2 | wols_: so it should default to the newest one unless I specify otherwise.... no? |
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| 07:14.31 | wols_ | no |
| 07:14.44 | petern_ | is there a new way of installing nvidia drivers on squeeze? the nvidia-kernel-source package is the same version as lenny... |
| 07:15.13 | wols_ | usually there are a ton of extensions for your chosen scripting language un debian and it takes ages for them to update to be compatible with the newest language version |
| 07:15.42 | dev2 | ah so debian shouldn't have been my first choice..... I think |
| 07:15.45 | wols_ | so debian has to make a decision what to use for "ruby" metapackage so the most extensions will run. unfortunate but can't be avoided. however, there is a ruby1.9 package for your case |
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| 07:16.22 | wols_ | dev2: the problem happens with all distros. sure, another distro might go directly to 1.9 for everything but then most extensions, which make a scripting language useful, break |
| 07:16.31 | wols_ | so it's a tradeoff |
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| 07:18.16 | dev2 | ok I think that makes sense... I seem to be rather dense at the moment. but apparently the ruby site recommends the version that apt gave me, so kudos to that and sorry for being a pita |
| 07:18.39 | amee2k | okay |
| 07:18.55 | amee2k | this piece of shit fan doesn't start running on its own on 5V onay |
| 07:19.44 | petern_ | oh bah, "m-a a-i nvidia" fails |
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| 07:24.58 | qfr | I have a major problem with my server, its TCP window sizes are far too low in general - my clients are capped at about 1.1-1.7 MiB/s per TCP connection. I wiresharked a few transfers and it looks like the clients usually request a window size of up to 4194304 bytes, whereas the server is still stuck at 6912-14464 bytes which is far too small (should be considerably higher). This happens with OpenSSH (SFTP) and Apache (HTTP, although I wouldn't be surprised if |
| 07:24.58 | qfr | Apache ruins the SO_SNDBUF with setsockopt) but I checked the OpenSSH source code and it never changes the send buffer size. The clients are forced to run 10-15 threads to hit the cap of their connections because of this. What can I do about this? |
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| 07:28.42 | thrashold | Is there something I could put in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to ban packages from installing? |
| 07:29.40 | amee2k | erm, i've installed the memtest86+ but its not in the grub menu |
| 07:29.44 | amee2k | how do i start it? |
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| 07:30.06 | qfr | Yep, it ruins the Linux TCP auto window scaling: http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=434 |
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| 07:32.39 | amee2k | anyone? |
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| 07:33.46 | amee2k | n/m. found it |
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| 07:34.00 | amee2k | root (hd0,0); kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin; boot |
| 07:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/bin/make-memtest86+-boot-floppy |
| 07:34.34 | amee2k | no floppy drive |
| 07:34.37 | amee2k | no optical either |
| 07:34.41 | amee2k | its a thin client |
| 07:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -L memtest86+ |
| 07:34.49 | dpkg | ii memtest86+ 2.4-3 cutmeownthroat's private stamp collection |
| 07:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 07:34.57 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 07:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/examples/grub-menu.lst and /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian should be useful |
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| 07:36.17 | amee2k | okay, time for uni now |
| 07:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the middle of the night! |
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| 07:36.43 | amee2k | thanks for your help, wols_ & whoevern i missed :) |
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| 07:38.40 | wols_ | what help? |
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| 07:42.28 | amee2k | wols_: with the aptitude crash thing? |
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| 07:44.30 | tga | if I have a single logical volume spanning the entire disk, I delete it, then recreate it, perfectly overlapping the old one |
| 07:44.37 | tga | how can I still get at the data? |
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| 07:45.15 | tga | nothing got overwritten (I think) but now my lv appears unpartitioned |
| 07:45.21 | wols_ | amee2k: I didn't help, did I? it still crashed... |
| 07:45.48 | amee2k | wols_: memtest just came up with lots of memory errors |
| 07:46.22 | amee2k | so turns out it wasn't aptitude's fault after all, but that doesn't invalidate your trying to help imo :) |
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| 07:48.09 | nsadmin | if you're getting errs from memtest, I guess try new ram... if that's not it, might be mobo or cpu |
| 07:48.31 | amee2k | i'm sure it is ram |
| 07:48.34 | nsadmin | could be excessive heat |
| 07:48.41 | amee2k | i'm only getting it with one specific ram bar |
| 07:48.59 | amee2k | and the box is lukewarm to the touch |
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| 07:49.07 | wols_ | amee2k: manufacturer? (so I can update my prejudices list) |
| 07:49.10 | nsadmin | ahh, so you swapped out ram until the ram test passed? |
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| 07:49.19 | amee2k | wols_: igel-4 thin client |
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| 07:49.45 | alcohol | well that was bloody lame |
| 07:50.09 | wols_ | amee2k: the ram stick, not the whole shebang :) |
| 07:50.10 | amee2k | nsadmin: it has two bars. i ran it on either one alone. one checked out, one crpped out. |
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| 07:50.39 | amee2k | dunno |
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| 07:51.11 | amee2k | says "MS3856UPP -T86A3Q PC-133" on the label |
| 07:51.11 | nsadmin | amee2k: great... so it definitely was ram. that shouldn't be too expensive to replace |
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| 07:51.35 | nsadmin | both of the ram sticks say that? |
| 07:52.13 | amee2k | no, the faulty one |
| 07:52.32 | nsadmin | what does the good one say? |
| 07:52.40 | amee2k | the good one is the oem ram |
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| 07:53.02 | amee2k | "144SD128;386,EL,P330" |
| 07:54.43 | nsadmin | could be it's faster ram |
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| 07:55.33 | amee2k | not really, both should be pc133 |
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| 07:56.30 | man8 | hasta luego si you later |
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| 07:58.09 | amee2k | okay, i really gotta make a run for uni now though |
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| 07:58.20 | amee2k | bye and have fun |
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| 08:00.53 | edakiri | Is there any media player in Squeeze besides amarok which can let the user associate ratings with tracks? |
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| 08:02.31 | enteL | edakiri: banshee maybe |
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| 08:34.32 | tenzind | any command to list all the packages that i installed on my system from main, contrib and non-free separately? |
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| 08:37.41 | themill | tenzind: "aptitude search ~i~scontrib" "aptitude search ~i~snon-free" |
| 08:37.59 | tenzind | themill, thanks |
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| 08:52.16 | aef | i'm looking for a guide on how to install ubuntu on an debian lenny xen hypervisor via xen-create-image. the basic installation already works, i just need some insights on how to start the correct kernel. does anyone know a good guide? |
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| 09:00.58 | ShishKabab | Hi. Are there any good scripts available to copy library dependencies to a chroot jail? |
| 09:01.24 | d-b-woot | !pbuild |
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| 09:03.40 | wols_ | !pbuilder |
| 09:03.40 | dpkg | pbuilder is probably "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
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| 09:06.02 | Anonissi1us | I could use a hand with this disk issue |
| 09:06.07 | Anonissi1us | I connected a usb disk |
| 09:06.15 | Anonissi1us | and it is detected in bios |
| 09:07.42 | ham5 | claps |
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| 09:08.17 | niklaswe | hmm how can i make so ppl on my server can change directory in their ~ with rbash? |
| 09:10.17 | wols_ | niklaswe: you can't. that's the point |
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| 09:11.40 | niklaswe | wols_: hmm okey, :P then itś pointless for them to create directorys in their homes.. |
| 09:12.17 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.21 | wols_ | * changing directories with cd |
| 09:12.30 | wols_ | man 1 rbash |
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| 09:15.35 | ShishKabab | wols_: I'll try that, thanks! |
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| 09:17.55 | edakiri | enteL: yes it can. thank you. |
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| 09:18.27 | edakiri | Hopefully banshee recognizes a music track still after it is moved. amarok does not. |
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| 09:19.38 | edakiri | I guess that means I can't remove dot.net/mono. Oh well. |
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| 09:20.04 | nkuttler | edakiri: quodlibet++ |
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| 09:21.03 | wzrdo | hi all |
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| 09:24.55 | edakiri | banshee does not recognize the track when it is moved to another directory. I will hope for quodlibet++. |
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| 09:29.46 | edakiri | nkuttler: searching debian packages, I only see "quodlibet" , not "quodlibet++" . I guess you mean "quodlibet"? |
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| 09:35.03 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 09:35.50 | mufasis | will a .deb extension work with all debian releases? |
| 09:36.06 | ham5 | :\ |
| 09:36.12 | azeem_ | mufasis: no |
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| 09:39.31 | jelly | mufasis: to expand, if you're asking "will a package file with name ending in .deb work on any debian release", the answer is no |
| 09:40.31 | jelly | mufasis: .deb is just a package format, and many mutually incompatible distros and distro releases use it |
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| 09:42.24 | Avasz | msg dpkg |
| 09:42.33 | themill | (.deb isn't even a package format, it's a file extension... and the actual package format has changed in the dim and distant past) |
| 09:42.58 | jelly | I started writing ".deb denotes ..." but thought better |
| 09:43.11 | themill | ;) |
| 09:43.12 | jelly | so yeah, I know what I meant |
| 09:43.22 | wols_ | jelly: but we don't :P |
| 09:43.30 | wols_ | knowing what you mean is HARD! |
| 09:43.39 | jelly | wols_: that line wasn't meant for yous |
| 09:43.42 | themill | jelly: I know... I've just been marking so I'm feeling particularly pedantic right now. |
| 09:44.03 | wols_ | jelly: says you |
| 09:44.03 | mufasis | ok so a driver for ubuntu ending in .deb wont work for debian correct? |
| 09:44.05 | dzjazooma | Hi, I'm looking for a tool for doing partial data-recovery of a hard disk which has been partly shredded. Is there a tool in debian that allows me to browse a hard disks raw content without the need of a table? |
| 09:44.10 | jelly | wols_: exactly. |
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| 09:44.16 | wols_ | mufasis: most likely not |
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| 09:44.40 | wols_ | mufasis: there always is an off chance but kernel versions are probably too different |
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| 09:45.16 | jelly | mufasis: which driver are you talking about? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 09:46.03 | fas3r | i have lock a file but i dont remember the command ... if i remember args is + or - .. if someone have an idea :) |
| 09:46.39 | fas3r | ok .. it's chattr :) |
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| 09:48.33 | mufasis | i have an old proliant dl320 g2 server |
| 09:49.15 | mufasis | the fans are known to run at 100% unless you have the hpasm driver from hp, on there website under my specific server the drivers are limited |
| 09:49.17 | mufasis | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3288089&taskId=135&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=316525&lang=en&cc=us&submit=Go%20%C2%BB |
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| 09:49.28 | mufasis | under a later model though the g5 |
| 09:49.33 | mufasis | they have more drivers |
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| 09:49.41 | mufasis | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3288095&taskId=135&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=3201178&lang=en&cc=us&submit=Go%20%C2%BB |
| 09:49.48 | jelly | mufasis: what are you really trying to do? |
| 09:49.54 | mufasis | i have server 2003 on there at the moment |
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| 09:50.11 | mufasis | i have a great idea for a business i want to start |
| 09:50.21 | mufasis | its very simple, i already have the php that im going to use |
| 09:50.33 | mufasis | i have a 15mb/5mb connection at home |
| 09:50.40 | mufasis | i wanted to host the site myself but on linux |
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| 09:51.21 | jelly | mufasis: it's very likely debian 5 will work out of the box on that old a hardware |
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| 09:52.32 | mufasis | yes im sure it will but will the driver for the later server work? |
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| 09:53.38 | jelly | mufasis: it's old hardware... you probably won't NEED any extra drives apart from what's already in the linux kernel |
| 09:53.42 | jelly | drivers* |
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| 09:54.05 | [Jasper] | nevyn still here? |
| 09:54.16 | mufasis | ive installed ubuntu on the server and the fans are so loud with out the hpasm driver |
| 09:54.33 | mufasis | like you wouldnt believe me unless you were here |
| 09:54.34 | mufasis | lol |
| 09:54.43 | wols_ | mufasis: that hpasm driver, is there source available? |
| 09:54.44 | mufasis | i know its a server but im a college student and its in my room |
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| 09:54.49 | mufasis | haha |
| 09:54.55 | jelly | mufasis: I work with proliants on a daily basis. |
| 09:55.39 | wols_ | jelly: is that why we have to shout when we want to talk to you? |
| 09:56.02 | bzed | mufasis: which temperature is in your room? |
| 09:56.11 | jelly | mufasis: it's anyone's guess whether HP's engineers keep backward compabitility for that long. between G3 ... G6 series, it's been reasonably well preserved |
| 09:56.34 | mufasis | ok i should probobly just try it and see what happens =) |
| 09:56.39 | jelly | mufasis: get proliant tools for debian lenny, and see where it gets you |
| 09:56.53 | mufasis | it has nothing to do with temperature the fans run full 100$ all the time unless the driver is installed |
| 09:56.58 | jelly | !tell mufasis about proliant |
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| 09:58.45 | mufasis | ive never installed debian though, people have told me its a little harder then other distros |
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| 10:03.05 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question...I added pam_mysql to my system.....recompiled it with md5 support.....but I'm getting this: |
| 10:03.07 | [Jasper] | http://www.pastebin.org/200730 |
| 10:03.17 | [Jasper] | so it says it cant authenticate....but still logs you in? |
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| 10:05.26 | mufasis | does debian come with a gui or just cli |
| 10:05.45 | azeem_ | mufasis: Debian comes with 10000+ packages |
| 10:05.46 | RichiH | mufasis: define "comes with" |
| 10:06.03 | azeem_ | mufasis: make your bet whether gui apps are included in that set or not |
| 10:06.09 | RichiH | but if you want to know if you can install debian and boot into a graphical desktop afterwards: yes |
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| 10:06.42 | RichiH | it will ask you if you want to install a 'desktop system' at the end |
| 10:06.43 | sttr | hello how to list all installed packages this way (in a row) that i can use to download whole system source code, thanks. |
| 10:06.52 | RichiH | by default, that is gnome, but there is a kde cd, too |
| 10:07.04 | azeem_ | sttr: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 10:07.23 | edakiri | quodlibet gives the *wrong* ratings. That won't do at all. |
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| 10:08.41 | mufasis | i was going to do a net install |
| 10:08.56 | mufasis | why do people like debian so much |
| 10:09.06 | azeem_ | mufasis: please find out for yourself |
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| 10:09.28 | jelly | !tell mufasis about why debian |
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| 10:10.25 | [Jasper] | anoyon here who knows something abut that pam_mysql problem I'm havin? |
| 10:10.27 | mufasis | thank you jelly, your nice |
| 10:10.33 | mufasis | your mean azeem_ |
| 10:10.44 | jelly | ... |
| 10:11.04 | jelly | !comfort azeem_ |
| 10:11.04 | dpkg | There, there, azeem_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:11.58 | mufasis | lol |
| 10:12.06 | mufasis | at least you have a sense of humor |
| 10:12.17 | sttr | azeem_: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii > list3.txt" did not listed packages like that package1 package2 package3 ackage4 etc.. what should i know? |
| 10:12.37 | nkuttler | edakiri: uh, it won't import your old ratings... #quodlibet for any questions |
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| 10:26.19 | kavakava | <ropwcio> Hi,kavakava.find sex partners near you http://*censored* |
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| 10:26.33 | kavakava | !op |
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| 10:27.33 | sttr | "dpkg --get-selections > list2.txt" how to modify this command to list all installed packages in a row that i can use to download whole system source code, thanks. Example: package1 package2 package3 etc... |
| 10:28.46 | nasso | sttr, cant apt-get get a list of packages from file? |
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| 10:29.55 | nasso | sttr, looks like it couldnt. forget what i said |
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| 10:30.08 | SlayerXP | !admins ropwcio is a spambot |
| 10:30.08 | dpkg | okay, SlayerXP |
| 10:30.12 | SlayerXP | oh |
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| 10:33.13 | [Jasper] | guys, is there anyone here who can tell me how that pam thingy is possible? |
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| 10:33.39 | stalker | hi |
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| 10:35.10 | SlayerXP | !ops ropwcio is a spambot |
| 10:35.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: slayerxp complains about: ropwcio is a spambot |
| 10:35.14 | SlayerXP | ahh, better |
| 10:35.50 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone help me with an aptitude error I've not seen before and don't know the meaning of: "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the [package name] package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)" |
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| 10:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: forget admins |
| 10:37.08 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: i didn't have anything called 'admins' to forget |
| 10:37.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
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| 10:38.08 | Breaking_Pitt | Hello I'm getting a new erro with my package "update-python-modules: error: /usr/share/python-support/bicho.public is not a directory" |
| 10:38.32 | Breaking_Pitt | how can i solve this i have update the .pre and postint.debhelper files but i'm still getting this error |
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| 10:42.58 | alcohol | lueyisx is advertising pron, @'s might want to ban/kick |
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| 10:45.10 | alcohol | !ops lueyisx is advertising pron in private messages |
| 10:45.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: alcohol complains about: lueyisx is advertising pron in private messages |
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| 10:46.24 | hipodilski | Hi guys I'm looking for some quick proxy to install that will be able to just log all my requests a configured browser with it issues |
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| 10:46.38 | hipodilski | I know webscarab is capable of that but I it's not really working on Debian |
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| 10:47.01 | hipodilski | if there is some firefox extension that would be also come to play |
| 10:47.44 | hipodilski | I have to add I don't want to use something as "professional" as squid |
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| 10:52.33 | sdousley|work | Hi All, does anyone know any way that I can run aptitude upgrade, but not have it install mysql 5.1? |
| 10:53.48 | rvsjoen | tell it to hold the mysql currently installed |
| 10:53.57 | sdousley|work | rvsjoen: ok, how do I do that? |
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| 10:54.09 | rvsjoen | dpkg: hold |
| 10:54.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
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| 10:55.18 | sdousley|work | thanks rvsjoen |
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| 10:59.08 | SammyTheSnake | Can anyone help me work out how to fix this? what does "due to missing arch" mean? "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the [package name] package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)" |
| 10:59.49 | sttr | "dpkg --get-selections > list2.txt" how to modify this command to list all installed packages in a row that i can use to download whole system source code, thanks. Example: package1 package2 package3 etc... |
| 11:00.29 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:01.49 | amee2k | okay, sufficiently memtest86ed the new ram to make sure its stable. now re-running debsums to make sure none of the packages i manged to install with the bad ram bar in are corrupted |
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| 11:01.52 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: anything! I'm trying to do an upgrade and I have dependency problems (the original upgrade was interrupted) so I try dpkg --configure -a but that says one package or another needs re-installing, so I aptitude reinstall [package name] and get that error |
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| 11:02.52 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:03.04 | unixp | how is the easiest way to install adobe reader? |
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| 11:03.28 | SammyTheSnake | well, it happens to be ubuntu, but I figured it was an apt question rather than a distro question (and the guys in #ubuntu couldn't help me) |
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| 11:03.37 | poisonbit | sttr, packages="$(dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}')"; apt-get source $packages ? |
| 11:03.38 | wols_ | !tell unixp about dmm |
| 11:03.43 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: no, it's a distro problem; please ask Ubuntu |
| 11:04.02 | azeem | APT cannot find the package, probably because it got removed from the archive, or you switched versions since |
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| 11:04.28 | wols_ | unixp: dmm has a .deb packaged reader |
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| 11:05.09 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: the problem doesn't seem to be with the package itself, but the state apt has been left in after being interruptede. I don't think that's specific to the package or set of packages. I'd just like to know what the error message means |
| 11:05.28 | unixp | wols_, u mean to download the files from packages on the side? |
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| 11:05.45 | wols_ | unixp: no I mean for you to read what dpkg told you |
| 11:05.58 | unixp | but this still works too? http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-reader-811-on-debian-linux.html |
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| 11:06.53 | SammyTheSnake | is there an irc room for apt / aptitude that's populated? |
| 11:07.01 | azeem | don't think so |
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| 11:09.36 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: where's the best place to get apt support? |
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| 11:10.20 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: in the channel for your distro |
| 11:10.35 | courpse | debian:/home/courpse/Desktop/mixxx-1.8.0~beta1# $QTDIR='/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.6.2/' |
| 11:10.35 | courpse | bash: =/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.6.2/: No such file or directory |
| 11:10.48 | themill | courpse: leave out the $ |
| 11:10.50 | courpse | /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.6.2/ |
| 11:10.52 | courpse | Ahh right. |
| 11:10.53 | courpse | Ta. |
| 11:11.14 | jelly | $DEITY, /usr/local/vendor |
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| 11:12.29 | sttr | poisonbit: thanks little closer now, i used "dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' > list4.txt" to get list but is still wont put packages in row. |
| 11:16.10 | themill | sttr: you don't need to do so. |
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| 11:16.19 | DGnome | Hi! |
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| 11:16.52 | DGnome | How should I set up my logrotate.d file for lighttpd to rotate custom logs for vhosts? |
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| 11:18.15 | DGnome | I have defined folders in /var/log/lighttpd for the vhost:s logs to reside in but I fail to make them rotate |
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| 11:18.29 | abrotman | DGnome: usually the logrotate can handle something like /var/log/lighttpd/* when you select the file |
| 11:18.42 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:18.46 | [Elvis] | gah..what an issue this is...like 10 hours on it |
| 11:18.49 | [Elvis] | can't get it fuixed |
| 11:19.21 | DGnome | abrotman: so if I place the logs in the same folder as default, rotating should happen? |
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| 11:19.57 | abrotman | DGnome: i didn't say that .. i don't use lighttpd, so it may specify a file instead of a directory |
| 11:20.17 | meliowant | Hi guys. Which package should I submit the bug, if I cannot switch from X to terminal mode via (ctrl+alt+FX)? The problem has been solved with the installing driver for fglrx (fglrx-driver). |
| 11:20.30 | abrotman | DGnome: isn't there a /etc/logrotate.d/lighttpd file ? |
| 11:20.32 | sttr | themill: but this way i can use text anytime to get source apt-get source -d package1 package2 package3, but need to list packages row in text file |
| 11:20.40 | kevr | [Elvis]> whats the prob? |
| 11:20.56 | [Elvis] | kevr I'm trying to setup libpam-mysql |
| 11:21.13 | DGnome | abrotman: yes there is, and it seems to process *.log |
| 11:21.15 | [Elvis] | it keeps expecting crypt passwords...am trying to set it so it accepts mysql password() s\ |
| 11:21.17 | jelly | meliowant: by "cannot switch", do you mean "screen is black when I switch", "key combo does nothing", or something else? |
| 11:21.26 | abrotman | DGnome: in which directory? |
| 11:21.29 | meliowant | key combo does nothing |
| 11:21.31 | kevr | elvis |
| 11:21.33 | DGnome | abrotman: /var/log/lighttpd |
| 11:21.35 | abrotman | !tell meliowant about dontzap |
| 11:21.36 | kevr | why not make a crypted pw |
| 11:21.40 | kevr | and set it for mysql |
| 11:21.44 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. wrong thing |
| 11:21.49 | themill | sttr: "apt-get source $(cat list4)" will work because we know that package names don't have whitespace in them |
| 11:21.58 | abrotman | meliowant: ignore that |
| 11:22.11 | meliowant | Option"DontZap""false" |
| 11:22.16 | kevr | [Elvis]> is there something like sha256? |
| 11:22.22 | kevr | or aes |
| 11:22.22 | themill | sttr: (actually, we know that will probably fail because the command line is too long... you'll need to use xargs) |
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| 11:22.40 | jelly | meliowant: that'd be an xorg issue |
| 11:22.51 | meliowant | abrotman: so it's feature, not a bug? ;) |
| 11:23.04 | jelly | meliowant: however, Gnome / XFCE are known to mess with those settings. |
| 11:23.14 | abrotman | meliowant: I don't think the 'dontzap' is related to ctrl-alt-f1 not working |
| 11:23.23 | meliowant | :) |
| 11:23.26 | [Elvis] | I'm thinking libnss doesn't actually use pam maybe |
| 11:23.31 | abrotman | meliowant: make sure oyu try it with a different WM/DE |
| 11:23.41 | kevr | [Elvis]> what algorithms are there to use?.. |
| 11:23.43 | meliowant | tried for KDE/GNOME |
| 11:23.52 | meliowant | the same thing everywhere... even with the GDM |
| 11:23.53 | sttr | themill: you know some better way to obtain source of all installed system packages? |
| 11:24.05 | [Elvis] | kevr more important thing is to find out if libpam-mysql is actually used.. |
| 11:24.13 | [Elvis] | I'm getting the impression it's using pam_unix |
| 11:24.21 | meliowant | Only after installing fglrx driver it worked as it should... that's why I'm not sure where I should submit |
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| 11:24.37 | jelly | meliowant: you could ask in #debian-x (irc.debian.org) whether it's worth reporting, but if you're running lenny, keyboard input has been overhauled completely at least once, so it'll probably work differently in squeeze |
| 11:24.41 | kevr | you can't just tell me |
| 11:24.43 | kevr | lol |
| 11:24.46 | kevr | you said it asks for a crypted pw |
| 11:25.06 | kevr | what type of encryption.. |
| 11:25.07 | meliowant | jelly: I'm running mix of testing (main distr) and sid |
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| 11:25.11 | themill | sttr: I'm not sure why you actually want to do this... it sounds like a great waste of bandwidth to me. But "aptitude search ~i -F'%100p' | xargs apt-get source" will work. |
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| 11:25.29 | [Elvis] | kevr it allows me to login with crypt passwords |
| 11:25.34 | [Elvis] | encrypt from mysql |
| 11:26.04 | kevr | i see. |
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| 11:26.27 | jelly | meliowant: you're on your own then! :-D But sniff around xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-input-* stuff. I'd definitely ask debian-x people |
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| 11:26.50 | abrotman | meliowant: did you try another WM like .. icewm or something simple? |
| 11:27.18 | sttr | themill: i know but can download whole source for my custom ubuntu, thanks i save this command |
| 11:27.24 | jelly | themill: hm, should he not want source package names then? |
| 11:27.36 | themill | jelly: apt will handle that gracefully |
| 11:27.53 | abrotman | why is this an ubuntu qusetion ? |
| 11:28.08 | sttr | ubuntu s debian |
| 11:28.12 | sttr | is |
| 11:28.19 | meliowant | abrotman: no. I'm using GNOME usually, and decided to try KDE. After install it stopped working... And I spent few hours for checking how it was related to my upgrade :) |
| 11:28.24 | themill | sttr: if you're wanting to fiddle with ubuntu packages, then please ask in #ubuntu. I have no idea how or if they have changed these things and they might even have a nicer way for you to do a custom respin |
| 11:28.26 | abrotman | sttr: not even close, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:28.31 | [Elvis] | kevr any ideas? |
| 11:28.32 | jelly | sttr: ubuntu may have different preferred ways of accomplishing this |
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| 11:28.51 | abrotman | meliowant: try something smaller, and possibly with a new user |
| 11:28.54 | kevr | [Elvis]> i don't really have experience with mysql at all. i just know things about hashes and encryptions. |
| 11:29.01 | kevr | sorry :/ |
| 11:29.29 | [Elvis] | any experience with pam kevr? |
| 11:29.50 | kevr | yeah, but not for mysql |
| 11:29.52 | meliowant | KDE has been run with the new user, so it's definitely not about that ;) |
| 11:30.06 | kevr | you do need to have libpam loading the module |
| 11:30.06 | abrotman | meliowant: notice how i said something smaller ? |
| 11:30.08 | kevr | on startup |
| 11:30.15 | kevr | the mysql module |
| 11:30.42 | meliowant | abrotman: yeah :) But if it worked before - it should work after. Isn't it? |
| 11:31.25 | abrotman | not necessarily .. |
| 11:32.33 | [Elvis] | I'm going crazy here....it allows me to use this stupid encrpyt method to login...only not password() |
| 11:32.39 | [Elvis] | it must be a setting somewhere...but can't find it |
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| 11:33.30 | meliowant | abrotman: well, it becames ok after installing the driver ;) So it looks like, in this case it doesn't depend on WM :) |
| 11:33.39 | themill | [Elvis]: most sane people run a mile from mysql's PASSWORD() function anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to find that you can't configure that. |
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| 11:35.03 | abrotman | meliowant: so all you changed was a driver and it magically worked? you didn't create an xorg.conf ? |
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| 11:35.26 | jelly | meliowant: xorg input system gets reenginered once every six months, things break all over. it's mildly interesting it works differently with fglrx compared to radeon, but you might have upgraded something else along the line to have fixed it as well |
| 11:35.26 | meliowant | No, I didn't. |
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| 11:36.52 | jelly | still has "sudo chvt 1" bound to a global shortcut since the last time this happened on his machine |
| 11:37.48 | abrotman | meliowant: there's also a chance that because oyu're mixing testing/unstable, that the setup is causing the issue |
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| 11:39.23 | jelly | ,versions kernel |
| 11:39.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found. |
| 11:39.27 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:39.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 11:41.27 | JohnDoy | Hello, I have Lenny w. 2.6.26 and XEN-3.2 which crashes on high network or disk load. I tried 2.6.32 from backports, doesnt solve the problem. Would XEN3.4 solve the issue ? |
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| 11:42.32 | tubular | test |
| 11:42.32 | vchrizz | retest |
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| 11:43.24 | tubular | I just read this article http://www.stealth-x.com/articles/the-problems-with-full-disk-encryption.php could anyone tell me if this "KILLER KERNEL" mentioned in the article could cause a problem with The Debian LUKS full disk encryption option? |
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| 11:45.22 | jelly | tubular: the point of the article is ... no encryption will save you from someone with physical access. |
| 11:45.37 | frostschutz | tubular: I use full disk encryption, and I use an usb key to boot... if you want to mess with my kernel you have to steal my key first |
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| 11:45.46 | panic_ | KILLER KERNEL will make you baldy |
| 11:46.26 | jelly | panic_: like Jean-Luc Picard! |
| 11:46.34 | panic_ | exactly |
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| 11:46.56 | tubular | frostschutz, is there any way you can encrypt the kernel on the usb and still be able to boot from it? |
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| 11:47.56 | frostschutz | tubular: I don't see the necessity |
| 11:48.08 | tubular | frostschutz, is it possible? |
| 11:48.16 | jelly | tubular: it serves no purpose |
| 11:48.18 | frostschutz | tubular: anything's possible |
| 11:48.37 | tubular | frostschutz, is it feasible? |
| 11:48.42 | frostschutz | no |
| 11:48.43 | MaGaO | I'm trying to connect an EPSON GT-9000 parallel port scanner to my Debian computer. sane-find-scanner finds nothing though. Neither does xsane |
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| 11:48.56 | MaGaO | can anyone give me a hint about what may be wrong? |
| 11:49.07 | frostschutz | MaGaO: it's a parallel port scanner |
| 11:49.23 | MaGaO | frostschutz: it's supposed to be supported. |
| 11:49.40 | jelly | tubular: if the perp got to the boot device, anything is possible and you have to assume it's compromised. The solution frostschutz uses is to maintain physical security of the boot device at all times |
| 11:49.49 | wols_ | MaGaO: supposed from what sane version onwards? |
| 11:49.53 | abrotman | MaGaO: there is a scanner group IIRC |
| 11:50.03 | MaGaO | wols_: good question. Checking... |
| 11:50.05 | unixp | I'm trying to install my HP psc 1210 to my debian lenny pc. I was able to install it, but it doesnt print anything. it is connected via usb |
| 11:50.37 | abrotman | wols_: it's a parallel port ... probably since 2002 :) |
| 11:50.42 | jelly | unixp: is hplip package installed? |
| 11:50.50 | unixp | jelly, no |
| 11:51.26 | jelly | unixp: why? |
| 11:51.35 | unixp | jefferai, i dont know this |
| 11:51.55 | unixp | jelly, how can i install it? |
| 11:52.23 | unixp | jelly, oh it says it is installed |
| 11:52.47 | jelly | unixp: what does? |
| 11:53.03 | unixp | if i type apt-get install hlip: hplip is already the newest version. |
| 11:53.35 | unixp | but why the printer doesnt print anything |
| 11:53.48 | MaGaO | wols_: It's supposed to work from sane-epson2 0.1.16 onwards. |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | MaGaO: which do you have ? |
| 11:54.41 | MaGaO | abrotman: checking... |
| 11:54.41 | jelly | unixp: good. please pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 hplip; echo; cat /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 11:54.41 | jelly | unixp: that last command will have to be run as root |
| 11:54.50 | abrotman | and use aptitude! |
| 11:54.57 | [Elvis] | is there anyone here who knows something about pam_mysql? |
| 11:55.23 | abrotman | is [Elvis] also [jasper] ? |
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| 11:55.28 | [Elvis] | yes |
| 11:55.32 | [Elvis] | I got disconnected |
| 11:55.38 | unixp | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/71940/ |
| 11:55.44 | abrotman | stops trying to type nicks with stupid characters |
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| 11:56.41 | MaGaO | abrotman: it's supposed to 1.0.20...at least that's the version name of the .so library |
| 11:56.43 | [Elvis] | I got pam.d/sshd and it's just not using what I tell it to use |
| 11:56.48 | MaGaO | s/name/number/ |
| 11:56.50 | jelly | .-=(abrotman)=-˙ |
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| 11:58.19 | jelly | unixp: and printers.conf/ |
| 11:58.20 | jelly | ? |
| 11:59.15 | unixp | jelly, is empty |
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| 12:00.31 | jelly | unixp: that means you didn't really set up your printer yet |
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| 12:01.00 | jelly | unixp: visit http://localhost:631/ in your web browser |
| 12:01.49 | jelly | unixp: that's the default CUPS interface, if it asks for authentication use "root" and root's password |
| 12:02.01 | unixp | k get it |
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| 12:02.26 | mamurdian | hi |
| 12:02.43 | mamurdian | is it possible to use lvs with debian 5.0? |
| 12:02.44 | unixp | jelly, so now i add a printer and the location is? |
| 12:03.17 | mamurdian | argh, is LVS possible with debian 5.0 with default kernel |
| 12:03.18 | mamurdian | ? |
| 12:03.19 | unixp | jelly, if i type dmesg http://paste.debian.net/71942/ |
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| 12:04.10 | jelly | unixp: I think the location is descriptive |
| 12:04.42 | unixp | jelly, is that right: usb:/dev/usb/lp0 ? |
| 12:05.09 | jelly | unixp: seems reasonable, but I really have no idea |
| 12:05.58 | jelly | my hplip driven device has an url like hp:/usb/Deskjet_5700?serial=MY47M1W0T1046W |
| 12:06.12 | unixp | jelly, it works thx a lot :) |
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| 12:06.20 | jelly | great |
| 12:06.30 | iceroot | is there a way i can check if my current session is a screen-session? |
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| 12:07.12 | kevr | go to another tty |
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| 12:07.21 | kevr | ps aux grep the user |
| 12:07.44 | kevr | if SCREEN something is above or with your client |
| 12:07.46 | kevr | ur on it. |
| 12:07.47 | xro | hi, a have a 64bits computer... should i install debian-504-amd64? |
| 12:08.08 | ham5 | if you want xro |
| 12:08.13 | iceroot | kevr: that does not mean that i am in the screen, i can be loggind in twice, onse with screen, once without screen |
| 12:08.26 | jelly | iceroot: is SHLVL good enough? |
| 12:08.30 | kevr | but one will show in or near the screen |
| 12:08.50 | iceroot | jelly: please what? |
| 12:09.01 | xro | ham5, ok and what's the difference between amd64 et ia64? |
| 12:09.02 | unixp | jelly, so you have to install a printer always over this way? |
| 12:09.36 | ham5 | simple google xro |
| 12:09.37 | jelly | unixp: that's the standard way to install a printer in a linux distro with cups, yes |
| 12:10.26 | jelly | unixp: there are other interfaces that might be nicer to look at, Gnome and KDE and otherDE specific |
| 12:11.05 | jelly | iceroot: a shell environment variable denoting the nesting level of shells |
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| 12:11.21 | ham5 | xro: http://tinyurl.com/34w9r6v |
| 12:11.41 | abrotman | xro: ia64 is itanium, you don't have itanium |
| 12:11.44 | ham5 | 2nd link |
| 12:11.54 | xro | abrotman, ok |
| 12:11.58 | ham5 | mabey he does! its 64bits |
| 12:12.13 | xro | ham5, ok thanks |
| 12:12.19 | unixp | jelly, ok, so the way to install it over the system interface is needless? |
| 12:12.21 | jelly | iceroot: a better way is existence of STY env. var. |
| 12:12.39 | jelly | unixp: um... that _is_ the system interface? |
| 12:12.50 | kevr | jelly> do you know of any good bsd jailing programs? |
| 12:12.55 | jelly | unixp: what other interface are you referring to? |
| 12:13.02 | jelly | kevr: uh... this is #debian |
| 12:13.19 | unixp | jelly, sry i mean over start-terminal -> system -> printers |
| 12:13.22 | kevr | yeah.. and openbsd makes, anyways |
| 12:13.24 | kevr | its on debian too |
| 12:13.27 | kevr | kinda |
| 12:13.29 | kevr | :P |
| 12:14.10 | kevr | i suppose, chroot jailing on debian. |
| 12:14.40 | jelly | unixp: that could be a Gnome interface to CUPS. You ought to be able to see your new printer in there now |
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| 12:15.24 | jelly | kevr: I'm clueless about openbsd an jail(), but perhaps /msg dpkg jail |
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| 12:17.15 | VectorX | hi how do i install firefox ? |
| 12:17.31 | wols_ | VectorX: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 12:18.47 | VectorX | ok no wonder i couldnt find it |
| 12:18.58 | VectorX | im lookinf for firefox all over the place |
| 12:19.32 | iceroot | jelly: great, thank you for the info |
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| 12:20.18 | amee2k | hmmm this box doesn't power off properly after shutdown, but its headless. is there a way to make it beep or something when it is ready to be powered off? |
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| 12:20.52 | abrotman | amee2k: how old is the box ? |
| 12:21.11 | amee2k | couple years, maybe 5 tops |
| 12:21.35 | abrotman | is acpi installed? |
| 12:21.36 | jelly | iceroot: next time, just hunted for potentially interesting stuff in environment variables (env command), and relevant manual pages |
| 12:21.42 | amee2k | how do i check? |
| 12:21.43 | jelly | s/hunted/hunt/ |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | amee2k: same way you check to see if any other package is installed |
| 12:22.12 | amee2k | oh, its a package. hang on a sec |
| 12:22.16 | unixp | i want to install sun java. But when i type #apt-get install sun-java6-jre i get: E: Package sun-java6-jre has no installation candidate what to do? |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | unixp: please use aptitude |
| 12:22.51 | abrotman | !tell unixp about install java |
| 12:23.08 | Juzzy | abrotman: why aptitude over apt? |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:23.14 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 12:23.32 | Juzzy | ah, good to know |
| 12:24.31 | jelly | !why not aptitude |
| 12:24.32 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 12:25.22 | jelly | also, by default it tries to do stuff that it remembers it ought to do from before, instead of just doing what it's told to. |
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| 12:26.38 | jelly | when installing a .deb file with dpkg -i and fixing deps "apt-get -f install" will almost always do the more sensible thing compared to "aptitude -f install" |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | jelly: hit 'n' once :) |
| 12:27.08 | jelly | n o. |
| 12:27.30 | abrotman | jelly: it will first try to do the least work AFAICT .. which in that case would be removing the one broken package instead of installing the 10 others to make it work |
| 12:27.57 | jelly | abrotman: which is a completely idiotic thing to do |
| 12:28.20 | wols_ | aptitude is LCD tool jelly |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | jelly: yes .. less work is bad ... |
| 12:28.32 | Bushmills | another point which i dislike about aptitude is when browsing package list, reading about packages, one can't just mark and paste the package website url into a browser |
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| 12:28.57 | jelly | abrotman: plugging the machine off stops all bugs in their tracks, too |
| 12:28.59 | Bushmills | with dselect, making and opening that web page was easier |
| 12:29.03 | Bushmills | marking |
| 12:29.17 | abrotman | jelly: sure, so where's the problem? |
| 12:29.30 | jelly | abrotman: it does the wrong thing |
| 12:29.39 | Bushmills | i find me now having to type an url, or view package information another time with apt-get show |
| 12:30.13 | abrotman | jelly: unfortunately, i don't think it knows that you just tried to install a package from outside aptitude using dpkg .. maybe you should suggest to pantera that he make it so that aptitude can accept a filename ? |
| 12:30.44 | jelly | abrotman: apt-get knows better without having that option! |
| 12:30.49 | amee2k | abrotman: Package `acpi' is not installed. |
| 12:30.54 | abrotman | so install it |
| 12:30.55 | jelly | wuvs apt-get |
| 12:31.25 | jelly | !pantera |
| 12:31.25 | dpkg | somebody said pantera was an in your face, fuck off, hardcore metal band that rulez |
| 12:31.31 | jelly | abrotman: hm. |
| 12:31.31 | abrotman | jelly: so for doing osmething dumb that you know how to fix, you'd rather noobs use apt-get ? instead of the 99.9% of cases where aptitude gets it right ? |
| 12:31.36 | abrotman | sorry .. panthera |
| 12:31.52 | amee2k | oh, its only 14.3k |
| 12:32.03 | jelly | abrotman: no, why do you think so? |
| 12:32.04 | HyperZid | How do I add all possible locales? |
| 12:32.05 | amee2k | i kinda expected that to be part of the base system |
| 12:32.18 | HyperZid | dpkg-reconfigure locales only generates one now. |
| 12:32.25 | abrotman | HyperZid: select the rest |
| 12:32.31 | HyperZid | abrotman, where? |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | jelly: then why are you complaining? |
| 12:32.43 | abrotman | HyperZid: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. should ask you whihc you want to generate |
| 12:32.45 | amee2k | abrotman: do i need to load any modules to make it work? |
| 12:32.53 | abrotman | or look at /etc/locale.gen .. uncomment the ones you want |
| 12:32.55 | HyperZid | abrotman, it dosn't. |
| 12:32.56 | abrotman | amee2k: don't think so |
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| 12:33.14 | jelly | abrotman: who's complaining? |
| 12:33.22 | HyperZid | abrotman, sorry.. it was one of my ubuntu boxes.. maybe its diffrent there. |
| 12:33.25 | DogWater | Anyone know how to get the BCM5716 working on Debian 5 in a way that will survive kernel upgrades automatically? |
| 12:33.31 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 12:33.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 12:34.02 | abrotman | HyperZid: so why would you ask #debian ? |
| 12:34.15 | DogWater | I installed the OS over the network using an Intel NIC and now that it is installed I am trying to get my Broadcomm nics to work, I have installed the firmware |
| 12:34.25 | HyperZid | abrotman, Because I have both debian and ubuntu.. And first belived the issue was on debian. |
| 12:34.28 | DogWater | lspci sees the cards too |
| 12:34.41 | DogWater | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20) |
| 12:34.44 | jordanm | !tell DogWater about enter |
| 12:34.45 | HyperZid | abrotman, sorry about that. |
| 12:35.06 | jordanm | DogWater: pciid is ideal (lspci -nn) |
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| 12:35.12 | jelly | DogWater: you probably need firmware-bnx2 |
| 12:35.31 | DogWater | jelly: firmware-bnx2 is already the newest version |
| 12:35.31 | jelly | DogWater: is that what you installed? |
| 12:35.47 | jelly | DogWater: uname -r; dpkg -l firmware-bnx2|tail -1 |
| 12:36.13 | DogWater | jelly: ii firmware-bnx2 0.14+lenny2 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII |
| 12:36.28 | jelly | and the kernel? |
| 12:36.36 | DogWater | jelly: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 12:36.42 | jelly | ok, those match |
| 12:37.13 | DogWater | jordanm: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:163b] (rev 20) |
| 12:37.22 | amee2k | abrotman: nope. didn't change anything |
| 12:37.23 | jelly | DogWater: have you rebooted after having the firmware installed? |
| 12:37.24 | jordanm | ,pciid 14e4:163b |
| 12:37.25 | judd | [14e4:163b] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'bnx2' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:163b |
| 12:37.34 | jordanm | DogWater: you need the backports kernel |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | amee2k: what ist he command you use to shut down ? |
| 12:37.38 | DogWater | jelly: yes, the firmware is actually installed automatically during our installation |
| 12:37.43 | amee2k | shutdown now -h |
| 12:37.45 | jelly | eh, newer card |
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| 12:37.55 | DogWater | it's not a new card it's been around since november at least |
| 12:38.05 | jelly | what tita... jordanm said |
| 12:38.08 | Pupeno | Is there a package containing the german locale and/or some basic translations? |
| 12:38.09 | jelly | DogWater: that's new! |
| 12:38.10 | amee2k | tried rebooting and modprobe acpi |
| 12:38.14 | jordanm | jelly: my netxtreme also requires newer kernel.. |
| 12:38.37 | DogWater | it works in Ubuntu as old as 9.04 |
| 12:38.44 | amee2k | the latter complains about being unable to load processor.ko (no such device) and acpi-cpufreq.ko (unknown symbol) |
| 12:38.57 | amee2k | which is to no surprise since this board doesn't support frequency scaling |
| 12:39.02 | jordanm | DogWater: which is about a year newer than the lenny kernel |
| 12:39.11 | jordanm | DogWater: install .32 from backports |
| 12:39.19 | DogWater | so why wouldn't whoever is responsible for that just update the kernel once every 6 -8 months |
| 12:39.29 | jelly | DogWater: 2.6.26 has been around since July 2008, so you see how it could not support your hardware |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | because .. tha'ts not how debian works |
| 12:39.44 | jordanm | thats how all "stable" distros work |
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| 12:39.45 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
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| 12:40.03 | jelly | jordanm: RHEL regularly updates their drivers with newer pciids. |
| 12:40.18 | jelly | so, not quite all |
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| 12:40.27 | DogWater | It works on CentOS and RHEl 4 |
| 12:40.29 | DogWater | also |
| 12:40.42 | jelly | DogWater: right. But this is Debian. Install a backport kernel. |
| 12:40.55 | jordanm | jelly: ah, I always thought it worked like debians... |
| 12:41.01 | bzed | jelly: thats something we can do in debian, too - such bugreports are fixed pretty fast with the next pointrelease - if possible |
| 12:41.10 | bzed | jordanm: ^ |
| 12:41.12 | jelly | DogWater: and file a bug! :-) |
| 12:41.23 | jelly | bzed: there, I fixed it :-) |
| 12:41.31 | DogWater | It's the same damn driver it is just a newer PCIID, they can't even edit the file that maps the PCIIDs to the drivers? |
| 12:41.39 | DogWater | good lord |
| 12:41.42 | jelly | DogWater: they can if someone reports it |
| 12:41.42 | bzed | DogWater: 14:41:01 < bzed> jelly: thats something we can do in debian, too - such bugreports are fixed pretty fast with the next pointrelease - if possible |
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| 12:43.15 | jelly | DogWater: this is one of the reasons unofficial installers from "/msg dpkg kmuto" exist |
| 12:43.22 | amee2k | well, is there any way to make it beep or something when its ready for power off? |
| 12:44.25 | DogWater | why wouldn't they just make the working unofficial installer the official installer if it actually works better? |
| 12:44.30 | abrotman | amee2k: so the 'poweroff' command does nothing ? |
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| 12:44.49 | abrotman | DogWater: it may not work better .. there is little regression testing |
| 12:45.12 | abrotman | i've had ABI changes in the security kernel updates cause machines to no longer boot |
| 12:45.15 | DogWater | So why not instead of suggesting someone use a build of an os with 'little regression testing' wouldn't they just keep an updated list of PCI-IDs? |
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| 12:45.24 | DogWater | in the official installer |
| 12:45.24 | amee2k | abrotman: well, it shuts down the system. then it sits there with the message "system halted" or something as the last line and does nothing |
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| 12:45.35 | wols_ | DogWater: they do. run update-pciid |
| 12:45.47 | abrotman | that still won't update the drivers |
| 12:45.59 | abrotman | amee2k: check your bios to make sure you have power management enabled |
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| 12:46.22 | amee2k | mmmh will do |
| 12:46.29 | amee2k | but what is wrong with my question? |
| 12:46.44 | warhead | Hi to all |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | amee2k: which question ? |
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| 12:47.08 | amee2k | well, is there any way to make it beep or something when its ready for power off? |
| 12:47.11 | abrotman | amee2k: some systems do beep .. it soundsl ike your have a really old computer, or have PM turned off |
| 12:47.12 | amee2k | ^^ that one |
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| 12:48.25 | warhead | I have problem with making new kernel pakage 2.6.33.3, I got error "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 12:48.25 | warhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.25 | warhead | does not match current version: |
| 12:48.25 | warhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.32 | jelly | DogWater: are you volunteering do to the "little regression testing" part? Those images are unofficial for a reason; different upstream kernel means things _will_ break for some people; but will also work for some others. |
| 12:48.58 | amee2k | i know the system beeper does work because it beeps during POST just fine |
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| 12:49.09 | abrotman | the beeper .. so cute ... |
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| 12:49.22 | abrotman | hooks the 'beeper' up to a fog horn |
| 12:49.47 | warhead | what is problem with UTS? |
| 12:49.55 | abrotman | with what? |
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| 12:50.00 | DogWater | jelly: The point I am trying to make is why would they not simply update the kernel or at the very least make it possible to get a very popular Dell server to work using a supported method? |
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| 12:50.03 | amee2k | can't find any power management related options in the bios menu other than doue, standby and hdd power down |
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| 12:50.25 | abrotman | DogWater: because it might *break* other stuff .. why is this hard for you to grasp ? |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | warhead: what is 'uts' ? |
| 12:50.36 | warhead | I trying to make kernel package 2.6.33.3 on lenny but have error UTS release version does not match |
| 12:50.37 | wols_ | DogWater: it was attempted with etchnhalf back with etch. wasn't really a success |
| 12:50.44 | jelly | DogWater: it only seems simple. |
| 12:50.52 | wols_ | warhead: read the BTS |
| 12:51.05 | warhead | BTS? |
| 12:51.23 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.24 | jelly | wols_: it was too slow; updating at point releases is arguably too slow as well |
| 12:51.24 | DogWater | It doesn't break anything in CentOS, Ubuntu, RHEL, etc etc.... |
| 12:51.30 | abrotman | DogWater: then go use those distros |
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| 12:51.47 | DogWater | That's not a bad idea, actually. |
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| 12:51.51 | abrotman | bye! |
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| 12:52.01 | jelly | DogWater: they have manpower to do it. Please, _please_ provide that manpower to debian-kernel! |
| 12:52.06 | wols_ | jelly: debian had to update everytime intel or amd brings out a new chipset... (not to think of all the other arches) |
| 12:52.27 | amee2k | abrotman: can't find anything funny with the bios settings... guess it just won't do the trick |
| 12:52.45 | abrotman | amee2k: is this a desktop or server? |
| 12:52.56 | amee2k | desktop |
| 12:52.59 | unixp | i installed openjdk-6-jre-lib but iceweasel cant open java sides, what package do i need else? |
| 12:53.17 | warhead | wols_: BTS back no result |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | that was fast |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | amee2k: it's a real desktop? not some halfassed custom job for an embedded platform ? |
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| 12:54.18 | wols_ | warhead: and you looked for bugs in what package? |
| 12:54.49 | amee2k | abrotman: something ITX based... came with some modded thin client os on a flashdrive |
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| 12:55.01 | mbruins | im i correct when i say, the only way to install sid is to upgrade from testing? its kinda hard for me to translate |
| 12:55.02 | amee2k | i put a hdd in it to use as lo-power home server |
| 12:55.10 | warhead | wols_: I download kernel source from kernel.org, we don't have 2.6.33 in kernel source pakage (I use lenny) |
| 12:55.12 | wols_ | mbruins: or stable |
| 12:55.13 | grummund | Hi, i'm using netcat to do some interactive client/server testing but the other end sends some binary data... is there any way to filter the binary stuff from appearing on the console whilst retaining an interactive session? |
| 12:55.15 | whomee | hi, is there any way to test a webcam connected to /dev/video0 using only the CLI ? |
| 12:55.27 | wols_ | warhead: that'S not what I asked. the package with the bug is kernel-package |
| 12:55.31 | mbruins | wols_: thanks |
| 12:55.45 | wols_ | mbruins: please don't run sid. pretty please? |
| 12:55.52 | wols_ | too late :( |
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| 12:56.11 | nevyn | hrm |
| 12:56.13 | chut | hi people how come i kill -9 gedit but it still running |
| 12:56.20 | chut | the gedit is the PID |
| 12:57.12 | warhead | wols_: oh bug is in kernel-package, any chance for patch kernel-package to fix |
| 12:57.35 | warhead | wols_: I find patch |
| 12:57.35 | jelly | chut: it could be hung in an uninterruptible system call. unresponsive storage can do that... NFS, fuse-based filesystems (sshfs; ntfs-3g) |
| 12:57.42 | warhead | wols_: I wit try fix |
| 12:57.47 | chut | yes |
| 12:57.51 | jordanm | warhead: you can ssb from sid/squeeze or you can pick one of the many patches in the bug report on the BTS and do it yourself |
| 12:58.02 | chut | how do i kill it jelly , is it possible without restart? |
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| 12:58.25 | amee2k | any hints what i need to mod for this? |
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| 12:58.41 | jelly | chut: depends on what it's hung on |
| 12:58.57 | chut | connect(13, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/gedit-svn.cn.295518405"...}, 110 |
| 12:59.09 | chut | it hung on here when i do with strace |
| 12:59.20 | jelly | chut: and where does that path point to, which filesystem? |
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| 12:59.35 | chut | /tmp/gedit-svn.cn.295518405? |
| 12:59.40 | jelly | chut: if it's a local filesystem, it may have errors -- check dmesg |
| 13:00.34 | chut | it's a lot of stuff in here i can't read it |
| 13:00.35 | chut | lolz |
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| 13:02.35 | jelly | pastebin it, lolz |
| 13:02.48 | unixp | Whats wrong? i installed the sun-java6-plugin for icewesael but it doenst work to see a java application on iceweasel |
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| 13:03.21 | jordanm | unixp: if you have another java installed, you need ot run update-java-alternatives --conifg |
| 13:03.31 | jordanm | spelling config correctly.... |
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| 13:05.26 | unixp | jordanm, mh same issue ... is that right? http://paste.debian.net/71948/ |
| 13:07.07 | jordanm | unixp: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
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| 13:10.11 | chut | jelly, http://pastebin.com/rWAFZ4dC |
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| 13:13.02 | alcohol | is there an easy way to figure out which packages have been installed manually? (as in, are installed, but not because they were dependencies) |
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| 13:13.08 | jordanm | chut: thats a lot of issues... gnome-terminal is segfaulting? |
| 13:13.20 | chut | i can open gnome-terminal |
| 13:13.42 | unixp | jordanm, directory does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 13:14.07 | chut | this is odd , i''m on stable but how come gedit marked as /tmp/gedit-svn. |
| 13:14.11 | jordanm | unixp: pastebin the actual output, not a line out of context |
| 13:14.12 | chut | the socket id |
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| 13:15.13 | unixp | jordanm, its the output , only update-java-alternatives: stands in front |
| 13:15.17 | Juzzy | alcohol: dpkg -l lists all pkgs installed, manually or but apt |
| 13:15.32 | Juzzy | buy* |
| 13:15.35 | Juzzy | by* |
| 13:15.36 | Juzzy | sheesh |
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| 13:16.29 | jelly | alcohol: _if_ you only used aptitude to install them, yes |
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| 13:17.03 | VectorX | using kde how do i see system info, like storage, mem, cpu info etc ? |
| 13:17.14 | Gla2 | hi people, I was wondering if I could relay messages from my real-time community site to here with a link back, as it's for the Debian group. |
| 13:17.33 | jordanm | VectorX: lshw |
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| 13:18.19 | Juzzy | alcohol: did you try the 'default-jre' and/or 'default-jdk' packages? |
| 13:18.21 | jordanm | Gla2: this channel can be fairly busy for a bot randomly spamming... |
| 13:18.23 | alcohol | not sure if this is the right channel for this; but do any of you guys know of any tools that I could use to monitor network traffic for virusses or suspicious activity? |
| 13:18.35 | alcohol | Juzzy: dpkg -l was quite useful, thanks :> |
| 13:18.43 | Juzzy | alcohol: snort is by far the best tool for that |
| 13:18.44 | VectorX | jordanm i get command not found with that ? |
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| 13:18.54 | alcohol | Juzzy: snort? |
| 13:18.54 | jordanm | !install it |
| 13:18.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:18.59 | Gla2 | jordanm: the whole purpose of the bot is actually to take the conversation somewhere else |
| 13:19.07 | jelly | alcohol: [installed manually] something like aptitude search '~i !~M', but read aptitude reference to confirm |
| 13:19.14 | Gla2 | so it's less noisy |
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| 13:19.23 | Gla2 | could I give you an example? |
| 13:19.29 | Juzzy | alcohol: yes, snort. google IDS and NIDS, some commercial solutions out there too, snort is still the best |
| 13:19.40 | Juzzy | bbl work time :) |
| 13:19.49 | jordanm | snort is/can be commercial |
| 13:19.56 | alcohol | thanks for the recommendation |
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| 13:20.24 | jelly | someone has to pay for those rule database updates |
| 13:20.27 | amee2k | right. that worked. added echo -e '*beep*\0007'; to /etc/init.d/halt |
| 13:20.41 | amee2k | which apparently is responsible for the power down |
| 13:21.02 | jelly | snort with outdated rules is rather useless, or worse |
| 13:21.07 | amee2k | abrotman: thanks for your trying to help. if you ever find out how to make acpi work on a board that doesn't have it, please do tell though |
| 13:21.47 | jordanm | jelly: nothing stopping you from writting your own rules |
| 13:22.23 | jelly | jordanm: lack of time does, just like for antispam rules |
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| 13:22.46 | abrotman | amee2k: your BIOS has no acpi at all ? |
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| 13:22.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 13:23.12 | jelly | jordanm: that approach doesn't scale |
| 13:23.13 | chut | jelly, you got idea about my problem? |
| 13:23.28 | johnfg | just installing bind9. It asks, Should resolv.conf settings be overridden? |
| 13:23.29 | amee2k | abrotman: it doesn't power off, it doesn't have any settings for it, and half the ACPI kernel modules don't load. so ummm no? |
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| 13:23.45 | mbruins | hi, i installed debian lenny. but for some reason my dvd drive doesnt get reconized when i would like to use a burning app (cdrecord, brasero) any suggestion on this topic? i dont even know what do google |
| 13:23.45 | abrotman | amee2k: you could try the apm stuff, but that's pretty iffy |
| 13:23.56 | amee2k | thats why i wasn't asking about that in the first place |
| 13:23.57 | jelly | chut: no; also, I can't get to http://pastebin.com/rWAFZ4dC |
| 13:24.02 | johnfg | Not sure what to answer there, looks like 'yes' is the default. |
| 13:24.12 | chut | lol |
| 13:24.33 | amee2k | abrotman: thanks for the try, but no thanks |
| 13:24.52 | jelly | johnfg: "do you want this instance of bind to be your recursor dns?" |
| 13:25.07 | amee2k | i'm fine with the hack, which took like 30 seconds to implement and it quite sufficient |
| 13:25.14 | jordanm | johnfg: its probably asking if you want the machine to use resolv.conf for lookups or its own internal server (which can be recursive) |
| 13:25.51 | SPF | I'm running lenny and want to install a newer version of transmission. I followed chapter 2.7.4 but when I upgrade, nothing gets upgraded |
| 13:25.56 | jelly | <pedant> the machine will keep using resolv.conf; it's asking whether it ought to put itself in there |
| 13:26.15 | jordanm | ,versions transmission-gtk |
| 13:26.17 | judd | transmission-gtk -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.92-1; sid: 1.93-1 |
| 13:26.27 | jordanm | SPF: install the one from lenny-backports |
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| 13:26.36 | jordanm | !tell SPF about bpo |
| 13:27.50 | [Elvis] | guys, I need some assistance...it seems libnss is allowing users to login |
| 13:27.56 | [Elvis] | it has like it's own pam integrated? |
| 13:28.12 | johnfg | jelly, and jordanm, I'm going to be making an AFSDB record because of this from my registrar: |
| 13:28.19 | johnfg | We could support it if you provided a hidden primary that we would slave from - administration of the zonefile would be on the primary nameserver then. |
| 13:28.56 | johnfg | So, I won't be doing the main dns, but am setting this up as a hidden primary. |
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| 13:29.20 | jordanm | johnfg: that is for some kind of clustering/cloud stuff? |
| 13:29.20 | johnfg | Pardon my ignorance, but I'm still not sure how I should answer dpkg. |
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| 13:29.35 | jordanm | johnfg: you do not have to answer dpkg |
| 13:29.36 | johnfg | No, for openafs. |
| 13:29.56 | jordanm | which is a clustering filesystem, no? |
| 13:30.26 | jelly | johnfg: it doesn't really matter. |
| 13:30.33 | johnfg | jordanm, I don't call it that, but it might be. A much better replacement for NFS. |
| 13:31.07 | jordanm | johnfg: It was my understanding that AFS was only deployed in things like... large datacenters |
| 13:31.25 | johnfg | jelly, So answer 'no', that it shoudn't override resolv.conf? |
| 13:31.37 | jelly | johnfg: that ought to be fine yes |
| 13:31.59 | johnfg | jordanm, No, it can be used anywhere. It's pretty cool, and not too difficult to set up for debian. |
| 13:32.06 | jelly | you can change it later anyway |
| 13:32.16 | johnfg | jelly, ok, thanks! |
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| 13:33.51 | dragos240 | Hi, how would I go about keeping cookies and history in links2? |
| 13:34.13 | dragos240 | If I want to do my browsing in links2, I would want history and cookies saved. |
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| 13:34.37 | vinoman | hi |
| 13:34.56 | drw | I have problem with passwd, received a error "Authentication Token Manipulation Error" |
| 13:35.18 | drw | I tried with pwconv for restore the file shadow |
| 13:35.25 | drw | but doesn't work |
| 13:35.38 | drw | somebody have suggestion about this ? |
| 13:35.47 | VectorX | how can i find out what network services are running, listening |
| 13:36.13 | daven | netstat |
| 13:36.16 | VectorX | ty |
| 13:36.28 | dragos240 | drw: Try installing libpam related things, if they are already installed try reinstalling them. |
| 13:36.43 | jordanm | drw: there should be no need to run pwconv... You have a passwd/shaddow file by default |
| 13:36.45 | vinoman | I've been using Squeeze for a week now and everything works OK, can I keep updating this Alpha install and it will become the final version of Debian 6.0 Squeeze? |
| 13:37.27 | johnfg | vinoman, How did you install? I.e., what image did you use? |
| 13:37.40 | jordanm | vinoman: depends on if your sources.list point to "squeeze" or "testing" |
| 13:37.45 | vinoman | I used the 64 bit netinst |
| 13:37.47 | jelly | vinoman: if your /etc/apt/sources.list point to "squeeze", yes |
| 13:37.50 | daven | VectorX: netstat -ap to get pids |
| 13:38.14 | johnfg | vinoman, Did it take a long time to download everything? |
| 13:38.34 | drw | I run pwconv but fail |
| 13:38.47 | jordanm | drw: why did you run it? |
| 13:39.05 | vinoman | yes, it took over an hour |
| 13:39.19 | drw | Because I read an article at Internet for fix this problem |
| 13:39.29 | helo | where? |
| 13:39.36 | drw | I'd try with libpam |
| 13:39.37 | jordanm | drw: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:39.52 | drw | I have Lenny installed |
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| 13:40.20 | [Elvis] | hej guys, do you know if there's a libpam support channel somewhere? |
| 13:40.36 | jordanm | drw: pastebin: apt-cache policy libpam-runtime libc6 |
| 13:41.08 | jelly | [Elvis]: have you tried asking the nice people in debian-user mailing list? |
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| 13:41.47 | vinoman | all repos have Squeeze in them |
| 13:43.28 | johnfg | In my named.conf.local, do I want my static ip or the ip of the router? |
| 13:43.33 | jelly | vinoman: you're all set, then |
| 13:43.53 | vinoman | Great! |
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| 13:44.29 | [Elvis] | jelly if only I knew where to start |
| 13:44.29 | benjick | Hi |
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| 13:44.41 | benjick | I deleted a folder via scp, is there any good way to recover it? |
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| 13:46.20 | mamurdian | benjick> not really |
| 13:46.25 | jordanm | benjick: restore it from your backup |
| 13:46.40 | mamurdian | b a c k u p ? |
| 13:46.43 | keith4 | does blacklisting a module only prevent udev from loading it? will i still be able to load it manually? |
| 13:46.53 | benjick | jordanm: Deleted it by mistake while making a backup :P |
| 13:47.19 | keith4 | benjick: it depends on the filesystem. but the short answer is: you're SOL |
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| 13:47.36 | benjick | fuck |
| 13:47.51 | jelly | benjick: especially if the machine is still online and there's writing going on |
| 13:48.04 | jordanm | keith4: yes, you can still load it manually |
| 13:48.37 | keith4 | benjick: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
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| 13:48.46 | keith4 | jordanm: thanks |
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| 13:53.18 | VectorX | is there a live cd version i can download |
| 13:53.29 | drw | jordanm: Why need it ? |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | !tell VectorX about livecd |
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| 13:54.18 | VectorX | ty |
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| 13:54.32 | jelly | VectorX: do you want that livecd to be usable? :-) |
| 13:55.11 | jordanm | drw: consider it an integrety check. just pastebin it |
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| 13:56.00 | VectorX | jelly i just need to test some stuff offline with kde etc |
| 13:56.06 | VectorX | why do you ask that question ? |
| 13:56.22 | drw | ok http://pastebin.com/XMPT6NCu |
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| 13:58.09 | jordanm | drw: it looks like your mixing etch and lenny.. was this supossed to be an upgrade from etch->lenny? |
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| 13:59.38 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:00.22 | VectorX | jelly sorry were you being sarcastic or is there something i need to know about the livecd |
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| 14:00.48 | drw | I don't |
| 14:01.06 | simonrvn | you don't what? |
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| 14:01.34 | drw | I received a message "lockfile creation failed" too. |
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| 14:02.46 | theseb | help! i accidentally ran initdb (postgres command)....how delete the database "cluster" it created? |
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| 14:03.20 | jordanm | theseb: try a postgres specific chan |
| 14:03.30 | jordanm | drw: you still have not answered my question |
| 14:03.51 | jordanm | drw: perhaps you would be better off the in the spanish channel? |
| 14:04.31 | theseb | ok |
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| 14:04.47 | drw | Sorry, I intalled my debian with version 5.0 Lenny from dvd |
| 14:05.13 | pa7iQ | hi can anybody help me with internet connection sharing? I followed this guide: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html and only pinging works on the client computers, I only get connected, HTTP request sent, awaiting response.. |
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| 14:05.26 | abrotman | where'd the paste go ? |
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| 14:05.33 | abrotman | pa7iQ: on lenny? |
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| 14:05.48 | pa7iQ | abrotman: yes |
| 14:05.54 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 14:05.54 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 14:05.54 | pzn | I have a Intel Core 2. should I use debian 64 or 32 bits? |
| 14:06.01 | abrotman | pzn: up to you, either will work |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 ... NOT ia64 |
| 14:06.11 | jordanm | drw: the output of that command says otherwise. Your version of libpam-runtime is from etch, not lenny |
| 14:06.14 | pa7iQ | with a new kernel, 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | pa7iQ: that's not lenny |
| 14:06.30 | pzn | abrotman, ok, just to be sure if it supports amd64 install. I'll use it then |
| 14:06.53 | pa7iQ | well I had to install some unstable packages |
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| 14:07.25 | wols_ | pa7iQ: make sure the client can ping the router, then install ipmasq on the router (if the router runs debian lenny) |
| 14:07.55 | abrotman | pa7iQ: so when jordanm said you were mixing versions of debian .. the answer is 'yes' |
| 14:07.59 | pa7iQ | yes, all pinging is working, i'll try that ipmasq |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | pa7iQ: eh .. wrong person :) |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | pa7iQ: why did you install unstable packages? |
| 14:08.18 | abrotman | apologizes to pa7iQ |
| 14:08.24 | jordanm | abrotman: I was talking to someone else unless I missed a nick switch |
| 14:08.31 | abrotman | nope .. i said sorry! |
| 14:08.35 | jordanm | ah |
| 14:08.41 | pa7iQ | I had to install the intel x driver from experimental to get it working |
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| 14:09.11 | pa7iQ | and I needed a newer kernel for things like webcam, usb cable modem |
| 14:09.31 | jordanm | !tell pa7iQ about bpo |
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| 14:09.45 | drw | Well I fixed this problem with libpam-runtime update |
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| 14:13.41 | jordanm | drw: good |
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| 14:15.43 | jelly | pa7iQ: you might as well upgrade everything to testing then |
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| 14:16.36 | jelly | pa7iQ: it _used to_ be possible to install a newer kernel indepenently from other stuff |
| 14:16.57 | jelly | less so with xserver-xorg-video-* drivers |
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| 14:18.26 | qfr | I removed stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list but it's still showing up after apt-get update it seems |
| 14:18.28 | qfr | How do I get rid of those? |
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| 14:18.54 | mede | Hi, I have a problem, scanjet hp 3670 ubuntu do not support him do not know if supported by the healing to happen in debian |
| 14:19.07 | pa7iQ | everything works now, apart from conection sharing |
| 14:20.00 | themill | qfr: specifically what does "it's still showing up" mean? |
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| 14:20.24 | qfr | themill I *think* stuff from sources I removed are still showing up in apt-cache search |
| 14:21.02 | qfr | s/are/is/ |
| 14:21.14 | justin | qfr: you think? it is or it isn't.. |
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| 14:21.30 | themill | qfr: find a specific package and then look at the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 14:21.38 | qfr | Ok |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | mede: you want #ubuntu |
| 14:21.55 | qfr | Nvm it's from an official source |
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| 14:23.16 | [Elvis] | does anyone know where libpam-mysql logs too? |
| 14:24.07 | jelly | [Elvis]: strace is your friend |
| 14:24.22 | aburch | [Elvis]: Random guess: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 14:25.06 | jelly | had a close encounter with a different nondefault pam module, and does not expect sanity there |
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| 14:25.47 | [Elvis] | it cost me a day of my life allreayd |
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| 14:25.52 | [Elvis] | this stupid pam-mysql |
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| 14:30.18 | mv | I am testing the waters today, anyone on here with single OS of debian-lenny on a Macbook? |
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| 14:30.48 | drw | I have problem with my access |
| 14:31.00 | drw | just can input with single user mode |
| 14:31.09 | [Elvis] | how can I se what's being send to stderr? |
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| 14:32.41 | simonrvn | mv: amd64, use efi booting |
| 14:32.59 | simonrvn | (or i386) |
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| 14:34.05 | mv | simonrvn I've tried the !386 (i have a core duo 32bit) I get hung up on the grub install with lenny |
| 14:34.32 | simonrvn | does grub support efi? |
| 14:35.11 | simonrvn | i know grub2 does |
| 14:35.20 | simonrvn | grub2-efi or such |
| 14:35.25 | mv | it does on the ubuntu lucid install and did with the ubuntu 9.10 install it also work with ARch but debian install gives me trouble |
| 14:35.26 | simonrvn | ,versions grub2-efi |
| 14:35.26 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'grub2-efi' was found. |
| 14:35.30 | simonrvn | ,versions grub-efi |
| 14:35.32 | judd | grub-efi -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98-1; squeeze: 1.98-1 |
| 14:35.38 | jelly | that thing! |
| 14:35.52 | mv | in the install process how do I choose which grub to install it seems a bit to automatic |
| 14:36.02 | simonrvn | too |
| 14:36.16 | simonrvn | try expert... i don't know. |
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| 14:36.33 | simonrvn | has never done this ;) |
| 14:37.33 | pa7iQ | tried this ipmasq package, no difference: I can only ping from clients (to the internet also), nothing else works. |
| 14:38.31 | mv | blerg....well thanks for the help simonrvn I'll have to test things out again |
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| 14:42.42 | [Jasper] | I'm getting desperate here...is there no-one with any knowledge of pam-mysql here? |
| 14:43.44 | simonrvn | dhouldn't be that hard, it's just pam and mysql |
| 14:43.58 | [Jasper] | simonrvn.... |
| 14:44.22 | [Jasper] | if it shouldn't be that hard I would have solved it :P |
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| 14:45.10 | Dutchy | hey |
| 14:45.40 | Dutchy | in 5.0, the --log option logs all queries? can I have it just log connections? |
| 14:45.44 | drw | Doesn't work my password from console |
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| 14:46.22 | stealth- | Anyone know why I would want openvz installed on a laptop? |
| 14:46.29 | [Jasper] | care to give a hand then simonrvn? |
| 14:46.46 | stealth- | I'm really not understanding what it is and how it's any different than virtualbox :/ |
| 14:46.55 | stealth- | Or what applications need it |
| 14:46.59 | simonrvn | [Jasper]: i would ordinarily but my brain is still fried, i wouldn't be much use. sorry |
| 14:47.18 | pa7iQ | also tried simple rc.firewall-iptables version 0.76.. still not working |
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| 14:47.51 | jordanm | stealth-: virtualbox is real virtualization. openvz is much more like different OS's in a chroot |
| 14:48.08 | stealth- | jordanm: Ah. |
| 14:48.35 | stealth- | So, any clue what good it would be doing on my laptop? |
| 14:48.42 | jordanm | stealth-: well, sorry, shouldn't have said "different OS's"... with openvz the host and guests are always linux |
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| 14:48.53 | stealth- | I got what you meant |
| 14:48.53 | jordanm | stealth-: none |
| 14:49.59 | stealth- | Hmmmm.... That's wierd. I have ALOT of openvz packages installed. I'm wondering how they got there... |
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| 14:50.07 | simonrvn | weird |
| 14:50.14 | stealth- | >.> |
| 14:50.15 | [Jasper] | I'm getting there simonrvn |
| 14:50.27 | simonrvn | [Jasper]: :) |
| 14:50.38 | [Jasper] | simonrvn maybe you can tell me this |
| 14:50.49 | [Jasper] | I use libnss......so pam_unix will authenticate with that.. |
| 14:50.53 | [Jasper] | how can I prevent that ? :P |
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| 14:51.50 | simonrvn | nss is name service switching, it does mapping between various bit of system info. you don't usually want to turn that off.... |
| 14:51.59 | [Jasper] | I do now |
| 14:52.04 | [Jasper] | since I want to use PAM |
| 14:52.07 | [Jasper] | pam-mysql |
| 14:52.12 | simonrvn | why? |
| 14:52.12 | [Jasper] | intsaead of pam_unix |
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| 14:52.36 | [Jasper] | getting users from the database |
| 14:52.56 | nevyn | hrm |
| 14:53.02 | nevyn | [Jasper]: evening |
| 14:53.03 | [Jasper] | nevyn you're back... |
| 14:53.11 | [Jasper] | hmm morning :P |
| 14:53.19 | nevyn | well it's 1am so I won't be here long |
| 14:53.38 | [Jasper] | I intsalled pam like you said... |
| 14:53.44 | [Jasper] | but for some reason it doesn't work :( |
| 14:53.57 | nevyn | it needs to be configured |
| 14:54.03 | [Jasper] | I did configure it |
| 14:54.06 | aburch | [Jasper]: Huh? You usually need PAM *and* NSS... |
| 14:54.09 | nevyn | did you re-build libpam-mysql |
| 14:54.12 | [Jasper] | I have both.. |
| 14:54.14 | nevyn | aburch: it's all good |
| 14:54.23 | nevyn | he has both we went through this 12 hrs ago |
| 14:54.33 | [Jasper] | no nevyn...I found out I am not using md5.. |
| 14:54.37 | [Jasper] | I want to use crypt(2) |
| 14:54.41 | [Jasper] | the standard mysql PASSWORD() |
| 14:54.42 | nevyn | oh.... |
| 14:54.45 | simonrvn | i'm aware |
| 14:54.46 | nevyn | right |
| 14:54.49 | stealth- | Ummm, apt appears to be confused, or I'm doing something wrong.... apt-cache search --installed openvz shows a ton of packages, but if I try to remove one (such as apt-get remove linux-headers-2.6-openvz-686), it tells me it's not installed. Sorry, I'm not really familiar with aptitiude. Anyone know what's going on? |
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| 14:55.07 | nevyn | so you want crypt=2 instead of crypt=3 |
| 14:55.08 | [Jasper] | so I set everything up for crypt 2....but it still keeps complaining nevyn |
| 14:55.12 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 14:55.13 | simonrvn | apt-get != aptitude |
| 14:55.15 | nevyn | what's the complaint. |
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| 14:55.31 | stealth- | simonrvn: well, I'm not familiar with apt-get, in that case :P |
| 14:55.52 | [Jasper] | welll...I added all the pam_mysql lines in common-* after pam_unix....so it will registere with pam_mysql.... |
| 14:56.11 | [Jasper] | pam_unix will still look at the nss users....and let them in if it's a encrypt password in mysql |
| 14:56.33 | [Jasper] | and pam_mysql doesn't work with crypt2 it says the password is incorrect :/ |
| 14:57.04 | [Jasper] | so basically I DON"T wanna use pam_unix for mysql users |
| 14:57.12 | [Jasper] | only for users from files |
| 14:57.15 | keith4 | will explicitly listing modules in /etc/modules cause them to be loaded in the same order, every time? |
| 14:57.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:57.44 | keith4 | great. thanks |
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| 14:58.40 | themill | stealth-: check what "man apt-cache" says about --installed. |
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| 14:59.40 | [Jasper] | did I explain myself corretly nevyn ? |
| 15:00.12 | stealth- | themill: Ah. So it doesn't filter the search function? That's a little weird. How could I filter my search results, then? |
| 15:00.37 | themill | stealth-: what are you actually searching for? what's the objective of this search? |
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| 15:00.53 | stealth- | themill: I want to find wich packages relating to openvz are installed on my system |
| 15:01.02 | themill | stealth-: (apt-cache search is normally used to work out what packages you will install next) |
| 15:01.13 | stealth- | Ah. |
| 15:01.27 | themill | stealth-: if they have "openvz" in the package name, "aptitude search ~nopenvz~i" |
| 15:01.41 | stealth- | Okay, thanks themill :) |
| 15:02.01 | [Jasper] | nevyn: http://www.pastebin.org/201229 |
| 15:02.26 | nevyn | [Jasper]: I think you want to put optional against pam_unix |
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| 15:02.36 | simonrvn | you've gotten really handy with the aptitude search syntax ;) |
| 15:02.40 | [Jasper] | why nevyn ? |
| 15:02.43 | drw | please help |
| 15:02.44 | nevyn | you want the pam option that doesn't bail and keeps processing |
| 15:02.58 | drw | I can't login with my password |
| 15:03.13 | nevyn | so if you have a required. then pam will stop processing when that test fails |
| 15:03.14 | [Jasper] | nevyn...but pam_unix uses encrypt in mysql as encryption |
| 15:03.16 | drw | I changed it from livecd |
| 15:03.24 | [Jasper] | yes |
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| 15:03.30 | [Jasper] | I put it on sufficient |
| 15:03.38 | eide | how can I continue with a netinst after completing it without a working network interface? (I got it working when I got access to the installed kernel) |
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| 15:05.05 | nevyn | [Jasper]: did you put optional at the end of it. |
| 15:05.21 | [Jasper] | nevyn basically it allows me to login now....because pam_unix uses UNIX Crypt() |
| 15:05.31 | [Jasper] | but my passwords are in MYSQL PASSWORD() |
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| 15:06.04 | [Jasper] | so pam_unix should fail....which also works......then it should go to pam_mysql.so right? |
| 15:06.24 | [Jasper] | where I set it to crypt=2 ....which should be MYSQL password() but I keep gettting a password fail... |
| 15:06.36 | [Jasper] | but I have no idea where to look ....I don't see any more log options...etc |
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| 15:06.57 | [Jasper] | this is how it's supposed to go right nevyn ? |
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| 15:09.18 | nevyn | here's the thing |
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| 15:09.53 | cheako | Hello, I just love libvirt and virt-manager. However I just installed OpenSUSE over windows on a machene that does not have the CPU virtulisation extentions. |
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| 15:10.07 | cheako | I'd like to have libvirt manage my qemu instances, however virt-manager complains that there isen't a hypervisor that supports system emulation. |
| 15:10.14 | cheako | Is there a method to using qemu instead of kvm? The source is Win32(XP). |
| 15:10.15 | petemc | cheako: this is #debian |
| 15:10.20 | nevyn | when pam_unix fails... it sets the state of the session to failed and the subsequent success of libpam-mysql doesn't make it better |
| 15:10.26 | cheako | petemc: Thank you. |
| 15:10.36 | nevyn | [Jasper]: can you paste your pam config.. |
| 15:10.50 | cheako | Ohh, haha LOL. |
| 15:11.31 | [Jasper] | nevyn but if I change in my pam configs the crypt to 0 |
| 15:11.36 | [Jasper] | for plain text passwords.. |
| 15:11.36 | cheako | no... really this is a libvirt question not an debian/opensuse question. |
| 15:11.37 | [Jasper] | it works :/ |
| 15:11.56 | cheako | #libvirt is quiet just now. |
| 15:12.16 | nevyn | does it work with any password |
| 15:12.22 | nevyn | or only the right one? |
| 15:12.29 | [Jasper] | 1 sec |
| 15:13.03 | [Jasper] | only with the right one nevyn |
| 15:13.07 | [Jasper] | so plaintext pam-mysql works.. |
| 15:13.10 | [Jasper] | just not with crypt=2.. |
| 15:13.26 | [Jasper] | and all my passswords are in mysql password() :/ |
| 15:13.34 | nevyn | are the passwords crypted in the database? |
| 15:13.39 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 15:13.47 | [Jasper] | crypted to mysql password |
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| 15:14.52 | aburch | [Jasper]: To quote the MySQL docs: "The PASSWORD() function is used by the authentication system in MySQL Server; you should not use it in your own applications. For that purpose, consider MD5() or SHA1() instead." It might also be interesting if pam-mysql uses the correct implementation of PASSWORD(). |
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| 15:15.26 | [Jasper] | hmm k...but I have like 50 passwrods in mysql password() style.. |
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| 15:15.54 | aburch | (and isn't using unsalted password hases a bit br0ken anyway? But it's MySQL after all..) |
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| 15:16.41 | karlpinc | aburch: Oops. You're violating the copyright of the docs by posting here! (Seriously. :-P At least if it's not fair use.) |
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| 15:17.20 | [Jasper] | ok, but we can assume libpam-mysql crypt=2 is b0rked then? |
| 15:17.21 | johnfg | how do I find out what version of bind debian/lenny is running? |
| 15:17.22 | [Jasper] | and not working? |
| 15:17.38 | karlpinc | johnfg: aptitude show bind9 |
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| 15:17.44 | nevyn | [Jasper]: I don't think that's quite the case |
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| 15:18.14 | karlpinc | johnfg: (or "named -v") |
| 15:18.15 | nevyn | [Jasper]: if plain text passwords work then the password is expecting a plaintext password and encrypting it for comparision in the database |
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| 15:19.36 | [Jasper] | hmm not following you nevyn |
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| 15:20.13 | [Jasper] | I guess they have rewritten their own MYSQL PASSWORD() function? |
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| 15:20.18 | [Jasper] | and not using the one supplied with mysql? |
| 15:20.36 | aburch | [Jasper]: When you changed to crypt=0 and it worked: Did you change the password in the database? |
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| 15:21.04 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 15:21.07 | [Jasper] | to plaintext |
| 15:21.10 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 15:21.19 | [Jasper] | you think I should keep it plaintext always in the database? |
| 15:21.23 | nevyn | no. |
| 15:21.34 | aburch | [Jasper]: Do you have old- or new-style PASSWORD() hashes in the database? |
| 15:21.39 | nevyn | I thought you ment you changed the config but not the database. |
| 15:21.55 | [Jasper] | no nevyn I also change the database password to plaintext then |
| 15:22.02 | [Jasper] | how can I check aburch ? |
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| 15:23.54 | [Jasper] | maybe it should always be plaintext in the database nevyn? |
| 15:23.58 | [Jasper] | even when using crypt=2 ? |
| 15:23.59 | [Jasper] | could that be? |
| 15:24.16 | aburch | [Jasper]: 16 bytes == old, 41 bytes and starting with * == new |
| 15:24.23 | johnfg | lenny's is an older bind. How do I find out what's in backports or what will be in squeeze? |
| 15:24.25 | aburch | [Jasper]: No. |
| 15:24.27 | [Jasper] | new then aburch |
| 15:24.51 | nevyn | are new md5 |
| 15:24.52 | nevyn | ? |
| 15:25.25 | jordanm | johnfg: 1) http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages 2) you can't |
| 15:25.40 | [Jasper] | ehm nevyn no idea :P |
| 15:25.43 | [Jasper] | maybe aburch knows |
| 15:25.48 | aburch | No, two-times-SHA1 without salt. |
| 15:26.22 | johnfg | jordanm, You mean I can't find out what will be in squeeze? |
| 15:26.32 | johnfg | But can't I find what's in backports? |
| 15:26.52 | nevyn | two times sha1 no salt what sort of whack system thinks that's a good idea |
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| 15:27.06 | aburch | nevyn: It is MySQL ;) |
| 15:27.32 | jordanm | johnfg: I have you a link to package search for backports. You can't accurately determine what will be in the final release for squeeze |
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| 15:28.03 | [Jasper] | could it be that libpam-mysql is expecting old style passwords? |
| 15:28.07 | [Jasper] | instead of new style? |
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| 15:29.37 | johnfg | jordanm, Sorry, I'd brought the link up, but hadn't looked at it yet. |
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| 15:30.12 | johnfg | backports does have 9.7. I'm configured to use backports, but have only done so for a package, maybe once, and don't remember how to do it. |
| 15:30.17 | nevyn | [Jasper]: crypt=2 should be PASSWORD() crypted data. |
| 15:30.40 | themill | johnfg: lucky that backports.org has an "instructions" page then |
| 15:30.48 | [Jasper] | nevyn but who does the PASSWORD crypting |
| 15:30.52 | [Jasper] | mysql or libpam-mysql? |
| 15:30.55 | [Jasper] | before sending it over |
| 15:30.59 | [Jasper] | or comparing |
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| 15:31.06 | johnfg | themill, Yup, and that's fine. Thanks for the reminder. |
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| 15:32.08 | pcacjr | Is there any way to get gtalk working on kopete ? The problem is that I do have libqca2 plugins, and kopete says the opposite... |
| 15:32.20 | nevyn | libpam-mysql does it using the PASSWORD definition in the mysql c-api library |
| 15:33.14 | nevyn | it doesn't crypt it with the database server PASSWORD function. |
| 15:33.30 | johnfg | themill, do i need to uninstall the lenny bind9 packages first? |
| 15:34.16 | [Jasper] | yes nevyn could that be the problem then? |
| 15:34.18 | themill | johnfg: no, just installing the bpo package should work |
| 15:34.42 | nevyn | it shouldn't be.. we |
| 15:35.00 | themill | johnfg: you may (or may not) need to change your config file format as part of this upgrade. Keep backups of your config files etc. |
| 15:35.04 | [Jasper] | nevyn http://www.pastebin.org/201277 |
| 15:35.05 | nevyn | it shouldn't be.. we're heading beyond my safe wading depth. |
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| 15:35.40 | johnfg | themill, In Fedora, they have the groupinstall command for yum. Is there an equivalent for debian, e.g., for the whole set of bind packages? |
| 15:36.06 | [Jasper] | I'm wondering if this is a problem in wrong encrypting done on the box using libpam and then a wrong comparison results in a fail |
| 15:36.07 | jordanm | johnfg: typically you would install a meta package |
| 15:36.12 | themill | throws nevyn a lifebouy and shouts «keep on heading out, you're going fine» |
| 15:36.18 | nevyn | johnfg: tasks and metapackages |
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| 15:36.42 | themill | johnfg: "aptitude install -t lenny-backports bind9" would typically be enough, with dependencies dragging the rest in as needed. |
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| 15:38.40 | aburch | I am amused by MySQL. Most functions of the API start with mysql_, except make_scrambled_password. |
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| 15:39.39 | [Jasper] | :p |
| 15:39.49 | NiLon | aburch if it's not mysql spefic? |
| 15:39.51 | [Jasper] | if you don't mind I'm less amused with mysql aburch :P |
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| 15:40.00 | aburch | NiLon: It is. |
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| 15:41.09 | [Jasper] | are we gonna be able to fix this ? :P |
| 15:41.49 | nevyn | [Jasper]: did you try md5 passwords? |
| 15:41.59 | [Jasper] | nevyn I don't have md5 passwords.. |
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| 15:42.06 | nevyn | (I'm mostly curious if any one way crpted password works) |
| 15:42.19 | [Jasper] | and I need to recompile to use md5.. |
| 15:42.25 | [Jasper] | I could try crypt=1 maybe? |
| 15:42.28 | nevyn | oh you didn't recompile. |
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| 15:43.08 | nevyn | crypt=1 is unix crypt |
| 15:43.14 | [Jasper] | no nevyn actually formatted my box because I went crazy |
| 15:43.24 | [Jasper] | thought that would solve somthing.. |
| 15:43.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 15:43.31 | simonrvn | O_o |
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| 15:43.55 | aburch | [Jasper]: You can try and write a minimal C program to see if make_scrambled_password does the right thing. |
| 15:43.56 | [Jasper] | can't test unix crypt since pam_unix allready allows me entrance then nevyn |
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| 15:44.06 | [Jasper] | aburch I suck at c.. |
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| 15:44.36 | nevyn | [Jasper]: not if you break your shadow entry:) |
| 15:44.44 | [Jasper] | :p |
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| 15:44.56 | [Jasper] | you see why I'm totaly confused with this nevyn :) |
| 15:45.14 | [Jasper] | aburch this is mysql api right? |
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| 15:45.15 | nevyn | I did say it wasn't easy. |
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| 15:45.24 | [Jasper] | yeah...but you didn't tell me it was b0rked :P |
| 15:45.28 | aburch | [Jasper]: Yes. |
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| 15:46.51 | [Jasper] | aburch no way I can test it without programming? |
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| 15:48.00 | [Jasper] | maybe I should sak in mysql? |
| 15:48.04 | nevyn | [Jasper]: there are debug options to pam-mysql |
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| 15:48.12 | nevyn | and to the database itself. |
| 15:48.17 | dekroning | anyone know a good CPU benchmarking tool ? |
| 15:48.33 | [Jasper] | nevyn verbose=1 on for libpam |
| 15:48.37 | [Jasper] | I don't think it can go any higher |
| 15:48.51 | nevyn | [Jasper]: oh there are many other debug options. |
| 15:48.51 | [Jasper] | on the mysql server I only see it retrieving hte password |
| 15:48.56 | nevyn | there's pam_debug... |
| 15:48.58 | [Jasper] | select password where user_id = ... |
| 15:49.15 | [Jasper] | hmm? but isn't this pam-mysql specifici? |
| 15:49.16 | aburch | [Jasper]: gdb with a breakpoint after libpam-mysql called the function. |
| 15:49.29 | nevyn | [Jasper]: did you check the pam log? |
| 15:49.37 | [Jasper] | which one is htat? |
| 15:49.46 | nevyn | /var/log/auth.log |
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| 15:50.11 | [Jasper] | nothing in there |
| 15:50.48 | nevyn | maybe messages |
| 15:50.56 | nevyn | there's also pam_debug |
| 15:51.03 | [Jasper] | http://www.pastebin.org/201307 |
| 15:51.05 | [Jasper] | see that |
| 15:51.11 | [Jasper] | it just gets the password from the database |
| 15:51.13 | [Jasper] | and then compares I guess |
| 15:51.16 | [Jasper] | let's check the c code |
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| 15:53.17 | nevyn | [Jasper]: gtg sleep time. |
| 15:53.30 | [Jasper] | make_scrambled_password(buf, passwd); |
| 15:53.31 | [Jasper] | vresult = strcmp(row[0], buf); |
| 15:53.35 | [Jasper] | it's a simple compare they do |
| 15:53.43 | [Jasper] | so something must go wrong there |
| 15:54.02 | [Jasper] | anyways thanks for the help nevyn |
| 15:55.08 | [Jasper] | aburch how am I gonna write a c program |
| 15:55.08 | [Jasper] | I suck at it :P |
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| 15:56.18 | StefanNET | hey |
| 15:56.28 | StefanNET | HOw to i add after login motd text? |
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| 15:57.05 | aburch | [Jasper]: http://paste.debian.net/71990/, and compare output with SELECT PASSWORD("blabla"); (I hope it compiles ;) ). |
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| 15:57.47 | [Jasper] | hehe |
| 15:57.52 | [Jasper] | have no compilation stuff on this box |
| 15:57.56 | [Jasper] | but I'll gladly put it on |
| 15:58.27 | StefanNET | HOw to i add after login motd text? |
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| 16:00.04 | [Jasper] | hmm can't find mysql.h |
| 16:00.09 | [Jasper] | guess I need to get that from somewhre |
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| 16:01.09 | StefanNET | HOw to i add after login motd text? |
| 16:01.13 | silidan | help, during an update my power went off, now dpkg spits out an error like: reding databse 85% .. fatal error ... any i dea what to do? |
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| 16:01.46 | jordanm | silidan: pastebin the full output |
| 16:01.57 | aburch | [Jasper]: libmysqlclient-dev? |
| 16:01.57 | [Jasper] | weird aburch I have libmysqlclient15-dev intsalled |
| 16:02.00 | arcsky | does anyone know a nice program for paint networks maps(designs) other then MS visio ? |
| 16:02.01 | [Jasper] | but it still complains |
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| 16:02.14 | [Jasper] | root@dl-web03:~# gcc test.c |
| 16:02.14 | [Jasper] | test.c:1:19: error: mysql.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:02.22 | [Jasper] | long time ago I used c...prolly have to give some paths.. |
| 16:02.30 | aburch | Oh, maybe <mysql/mysql.h> |
| 16:02.52 | jordanm | asterisc: check out the manpages for "motd" and "motd.tail" |
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| 16:03.28 | jordanm | StefanNET: check out the manpages for "motd" and "motd.tail" |
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| 16:03.35 | [Jasper] | aburch test.c:(.text+0x20): undefined reference to `make_scrambled_password' |
| 16:03.36 | [Jasper] | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:03.48 | jordanm | [Jasper]: #c |
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| 16:04.31 | aburch | [Jasper]: gcc -lmysqlclient test.c -o test |
| 16:04.45 | silidan | jordanm: this is all i get (its in german, how could i get an english error message out?): (Lese Datenbank ... 85%dpkg: nicht behebbarer fataler Fehler, Abbruch: Abschließender Zeilenvorschub fehlt in Dateilisten-Datei des Paketes »libgalago3« |
| 16:05.06 | [Jasper] | ./root@dl-web03:~# ./test -> *C5D88711DADCCF08A2E457F5BED1745AF29C4F13 |
| 16:05.13 | [Jasper] | lets check the server |
| 16:05.44 | [Jasper] | *C5D88711DADCCF08A2E457F5BED1745AF29C4F13 |
| 16:06.01 | [Jasper] | exactly the same....ok...... |
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| 16:06.16 | [Jasper] | wtf.. |
| 16:07.06 | jordanm | silidan: possibly: `LANG=en_US.UTF-8 command` (assuming your system has that locale) |
| 16:07.16 | aburch | [Jasper]: Hmm, then I can only imagine that use_323_passwd is on by accident. Try a password hashed with OLD_PASSWORD. |
| 16:07.31 | aburch | [Jasper]: I don't have any other ideas now :/ |
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| 16:07.52 | [Jasper] | hmm k |
| 16:08.15 | themill | jordanm, silidan: "LANG=C command" fwiw |
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| 16:09.26 | [Jasper] | it's rebooting aburch :) |
| 16:09.28 | [Jasper] | just to be sure |
| 16:09.33 | jordanm | themill: thanks. I seemed to recall that but didn't have a way to test |
| 16:09.52 | silidan | jordanm: this is all i get: (Reading database ... 85%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'libgalago3' is missing final newline |
| 16:09.59 | jordanm | themill: do you know if that is included in a factoid? |
| 16:10.12 | themill | dpkg: tell jordanm about localised errors |
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| 16:10.48 | jordanm | silidan: that is from what command? (it really helps to paste the command along with the full output) |
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| 16:11.10 | themill | silidan: can you look in /var/lib/dpkg/status for us and see what the entry for that package looks like |
| 16:11.11 | [Jasper] | nope aburch.. |
| 16:11.12 | [Jasper] | nothing |
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| 16:11.19 | silidan | jordanm: its from dpkg --purge libgalago3 |
| 16:13.08 | [Jasper] | I could offcourse go adding a lot of debug stuff in there |
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| 16:14.24 | silidan | themill: it looks like eny other entry except that the Homepage: blabla thing is missing |
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| 16:15.05 | themill | silidan: the file isn't truncated just there or something like that? |
| 16:15.30 | themill | (Homepage is optional, that's not an issue) |
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| 16:16.42 | silidan | themill: maybe this is more interesing? :Status: purge ok config-files |
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| 16:17.42 | themill | silidan: what's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgalago3.list? |
| 16:17.53 | silidan | themill: no the file continues after this libgalago entry... |
| 16:18.39 | themill | silidan: the .list file should be 27 lines long, ending with /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3\n |
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| 16:19.30 | silidan | themill: well its only 16 long |
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| 16:20.14 | themill | silidan: ends somewhere in the middle of /usr/share/locale/de ? |
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| 16:20.27 | dkay | hello #debian! there was a tool lspci? |
| 16:20.31 | dkay | similar to hwinfo? |
| 16:20.40 | jelly | dkay: there still is! |
| 16:20.41 | terron | Would anybody happen to know why htop shows about 60 more processes than top, all of which don't show up when i do ps -aux? |
| 16:20.47 | dkay | its called lspci? |
| 16:20.56 | silidan | themill: it ends with You can use this library as key/value store under Description: |
| 16:20.59 | jelly | dkay: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
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| 16:21.23 | themill | silidan: ouch. Can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgalago3.list for me? |
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| 16:21.57 | dkay | aptitude search lspci |
| 16:21.59 | dkay | no result |
| 16:22.03 | silidan | themill: here you go http://pastebin.com/bhnYfEMJ |
| 16:22.46 | dkay | and of course, heres the sources.list |
| 16:22.47 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/201340 |
| 16:22.50 | aiux | dkay, /msg dpkg as |
| 16:22.50 | jelly | dkay: /msg judd file bin/lspci |
| 16:22.53 | dkay | and it was aptitude update |
| 16:23.07 | jelly | dpkg, tell dkay about search |
| 16:23.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell dkay about apt-file |
| 16:23.19 | themill | silidan: oh dear. What filesystem is this on by the way? |
| 16:23.34 | silidan | themill: ext3 |
| 16:24.01 | jelly | terron: did you configure htop to show threads independently? |
| 16:24.16 | terron | jelly: not that I know of, but it seems like that was the issue. |
| 16:24.19 | [Jasper] | I'm rebuilding the package aburch |
| 16:24.22 | [Jasper] | with some comments :P |
| 16:24.51 | jelly | terron: did you read ps' manual to know how to use BSD-like options ("ps aux"), and sysv-like options ("ps -fe")? |
| 16:24.54 | terron | Another question: is there a clean way to remove package lists other than simply rming them? |
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| 16:25.18 | terron | jelly: I do, jelly. The issue was htop showing threads independently rather than just the processes. |
| 16:25.27 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/201349 |
| 16:25.31 | dkay | jelly |
| 16:25.36 | jelly | jelly |
| 16:25.40 | dkay | there is no- hm |
| 16:25.41 | LasseMDK | Why does aptitude purge <package> not remove the config files? I had to do dpkg --purge <package> |
| 16:25.50 | jelly | doesn't like to be highlighted without any content in the line |
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| 16:26.02 | [Jasper] | ok we're one step further ...it's NOT using 323 aburch |
| 16:26.19 | jelly | dkay: I didn't tell you to do that. I did tell you to do several other things, though. |
| 16:26.23 | themill | silidan: I'd suggest that you need to run an fsck on that filesystem (you'll probably want to reboot with -F to get the fsck on startup given that this is presumably / you're talking about). We can always reconstruct that file list at some stage in the future. It's your fs that I'm more worried about now. |
| 16:26.54 | themill | LasseMDK: it should do. But it won't if you purge a package that doesn't own the config files. Precisely which package and which config files? |
| 16:27.07 | jelly | dkay: ask judd about "file bin/lspci", or ask dpkg about apt-file, or about search |
| 16:27.45 | jelly | dkay: the first option seems easiest way to search for files when you're already on irc |
| 16:27.53 | LasseMDK | themill, tried to remove all clam packages. clamav-daemon, clamsmtp. etc |
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| 16:28.43 | jelly | LasseMDK: aptitude purge foo will only remove conffiles for foo, and it _won't_ remove conffiles for foo-common that foo depends on |
| 16:29.25 | dkay | jelly, http://pastebin.org/201352 still no result?! |
| 16:29.31 | jelly | LasseMDK: you need to purge all the packages, or figure out which ones actually contain the leftover files |
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| 16:30.38 | jelly | LasseMDK: "apt-get --purge remove foo-common" compared to aptitude, purges all the packages that are going to be removed |
| 16:31.08 | jelly | dkay: what do you mean, no result? |
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| 16:31.24 | dkay | there is still no lspci package? |
| 16:31.33 | jelly | dkay: line 64 of that last paste seems like a decent result |
| 16:31.37 | LasseMDK | jelly, If i aptitude purge the package clamsmtp I get a list of depending packages that will be removed as well. Should'n it remove the config files as well for these dependencies ? |
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| 16:31.44 | dkay | cant find apt-file search lspci |
| 16:31.52 | dkay | i was ale ti install it yesterday on another pc |
| 16:31.56 | dkay | so im wondering |
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| 16:32.09 | jelly | dkay: apt-file doesn't install anything, it just shows you which packages contain certain files |
| 16:32.31 | themill | LasseMDK: that would have undesired effects a lot of the time. But aptitude has a "--purge-unused" option for this. You can also "aptitude purge ~c" to purge all removed-but-not-purged packages |
| 16:32.37 | dkay | ye, but it isnt on the machine or should i use /usr/bin/lspci |
| 16:32.44 | jelly | LasseMDK: it's debatable what it should do. It, however, doesn't do that. |
| 16:32.55 | jelly | dkay: what isn't on the machine? |
| 16:33.06 | dkay | wow, ok, i fixed it, i installed pciutils and now my lspci command is available |
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| 16:33.16 | jelly | !win dkay |
| 16:33.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, dkay! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 16:33.50 | dkay | !thnks |
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| 16:34.00 | sergiu14 | how do you debug libc in debian? |
| 16:34.08 | sergiu14 | using gdb |
| 16:34.20 | [Jasper] | aburch are you still here? |
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| 16:34.56 | aburch | [Jasper]: Yes, but not for long. Will go to bed in a few minutes. |
| 16:35.07 | [Jasper] | aburch I'm trying to find the error in the code |
| 16:35.20 | [Jasper] | any idea how I can print that buf inside syslog(LOG_AUTHPRIV | LOG_ERR, PAM_MYSQL_LOG_PREFIX "geen 323 LAGER"); |
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| 16:35.58 | LasseMDK | themill, jelly thanks :) |
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| 16:36.37 | aiux | [Jasper], tried those ? > #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:36.37 | silidan | themill: how can i reboot so that it launches fsck?? |
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| 16:37.15 | [Jasper] | aiux why would I want to try that? |
| 16:37.16 | themill | silidan: shutdown -r -F now |
| 16:37.22 | silidan | ok thanks |
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| 16:38.00 | aburch | [Jasper]: syslog(LOG_AUTHPRIV | LOG_ERR, PAM_MYSQL_LOG_PREFIX "buf = '%s', buf); |
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| 16:38.16 | aburch | [Jasper]: (plus the missing ") |
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| 16:38.57 | _2 | using 4.0 etch kde is reporting this error on startup. /bin/ls: /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory |
| 16:39.06 | aiux | [Jasper], they are specialized in *sql |
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| 16:39.48 | _2 | arts issue ^ |
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| 16:40.12 | sparrow | I am looking to resize a large ext4 (6TB to 12TB) file system sitting in LVM. The machine is tracking squeeze. I have been reading online that there might be some issues with currupting data. Does anyone know if it is currently is a stable operation? |
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| 16:40.13 | [Jasper] | yea aiux no response whatsoever there |
| 16:40.17 | [Jasper] | aburch int = %d right? |
| 16:40.56 | aburch | [Jasper]: Yes. You might also want to log row[0] which should contain the password as retrieved from the database. |
| 16:41.27 | [Jasper] | ok |
| 16:41.30 | aiux | [Jasper], they are not robots , but people , so patience |
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| 16:41.39 | [Jasper] | we will know in 1 minute what's going wrong aburch :P |
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| 16:42.27 | sergiu14 | how do you step inside libc on debian (using gdb)? |
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| 16:44.01 | silidan | themill: ok im up again... |
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| 16:44.59 | silidan | themill: what next? |
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| 16:46.02 | themill | silidan: lots of fs errors? |
| 16:46.02 | rvsjoen | sergiu14: first of all you need the debugging symbols for libc |
| 16:46.04 | [Jasper] | NICEEEEEEE aburch |
| 16:46.05 | [Jasper] | I found it :p |
| 16:46.10 | [Jasper] | May 4 16:46:19 dl-web03 sshd[29789]: pam_mysql - buf = '*94BDCEBE19083CE2A1F959FD02F964C7AF4CFC29' |
| 16:46.10 | [Jasper] | May 4 16:46:19 dl-web03 sshd[29789]: pam_mysql - db = '*94BDCEBE19083CE2A1F959FD02F964C7AF4CFC2 |
| 16:46.18 | themill | silidan: is that file still screwed? |
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| 16:46.39 | silidan | themill: nope, but i did notice it did fsck after teh power was down and it went up again on same drive... |
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| 16:46.55 | [Jasper] | this is actually quite pathetic :( |
| 16:46.58 | sergiu14 | hi rvsjoen, they are not in libc6-dbc or libc6-dev, I get them with apt-get source libc6, but they are in the cwd. Where should I place them so gdb will find them |
| 16:47.07 | silidan | themill: yep dpkg still screwed |
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| 16:47.48 | [Jasper] | ok aburch I'm gonna crawl in a corner..... |
| 16:47.52 | aburch | [Jasper]: Huh? No trailing ' for the db line? |
| 16:47.55 | djura-san | okay im off. have a nice chat. |
| 16:48.01 | sergiu14 | I dont understand why there isn't a .deb file with this sources... why do I have to place them in god knows what directory |
| 16:48.02 | [Jasper] | my database password field was only 40 char |
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| 16:48.04 | [Jasper] | instead of 41.. |
| 16:48.07 | [Jasper] | missing 1 char.. |
| 16:48.28 | aburch | [Jasper]: Hehe. |
| 16:48.34 | [Jasper] | :((( |
| 16:48.43 | [Jasper] | anyways thanks so much for your help |
| 16:48.44 | themill | silidan: ok, try fixing that file with these contents http://paste.debian.net/72001/ but I do rather hope that's your only problem and you're not going to corrupt the status file in doing so (since that looked like a fragment of status file) |
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| 16:48.46 | [Jasper] | at least we found it now :) |
| 16:48.56 | [Jasper] | and I can keep using all my old passwords |
| 16:49.02 | aburch | [Jasper]: Then you have to set all passwords new anyway. You could just use a sane function instead of PASSOWRD() at that time as well. |
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| 16:49.24 | [Jasper] | no aburch I had a new database...the old database which is used at this time had 250 char |
| 16:49.29 | [Jasper] | so all the passwords are fine.. |
| 16:49.40 | [Jasper] | just need to recopy the passwords.. |
| 16:49.54 | [Jasper] | but I will be looking into transferring to a new system |
| 16:50.05 | aburch | [Jasper]: Ah, ok. But checking the obvious (the the password in the DB is correct) was done too late once again. |
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| 16:50.47 | silidan | themill: nope didnt solve... |
| 16:50.58 | aburch | [Jasper]: Problems often end up very basic. I understood why tech support people always ask if the device if plugged in first because of similar things :) |
| 16:51.12 | themill | silidan: what does it say now? |
| 16:51.36 | [Jasper] | yeah aburch....true true.. |
| 16:51.40 | [Jasper] | but 1 char... |
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| 16:52.14 | [Jasper] | anyways time for a drink now |
| 16:52.20 | aburch | [Jasper]: Too easy to miss :) But good for you that it should finally work. |
| 16:52.21 | [Jasper] | after spending almost 24 hours on this issue |
| 16:53.10 | [Jasper] | thanks a lot for the help anyways. I will be more careful next time :P |
| 16:53.15 | silidan | themill: (Reading database ... 70%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package `libgalago3' contains empty filename E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: dpkg: error processing libgphoto2-port0 (--configure): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting configuration. |
| 16:53.22 | _2 | ummm i have forgotten how to get "\n description: Audio device\n product: IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller\n vendor: ATI Technologies Inc\n physical id: 14.2\n bus info: pci@00:14.2 \n" to work on etch... is there an info node on that in the bots db ? |
| 16:53.42 | themill | silidan: do you have a blank line at the end of that file list you just created? |
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| 16:53.59 | _2 | !hda |
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| 16:54.38 | aiux | !tell _2 about etch |
| 16:54.55 | silidan | themill: yes i had X... it does do more now |
| 16:55.02 | themill | _2: there's a chance that one will be happier with lenny and since etch is past it's sell-by date now, you probably want to upgrade to lenny anyway. |
| 16:55.34 | themill | silidan: ok. Try "aptitude reinstall libgphoto2-port0" and see if that makes things happier |
| 16:55.51 | _2 | aiux and themill but will madwifi work with lenny now ? |
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| 16:56.12 | themill | dpkg: tell _2 about madwifi |
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| 16:57.27 | silidan | themill: now i only get ldconfig: /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 16:57.44 | _2 | well i have 5.0 installed along side 4.0 but last i tried. getting wireless working on 5.0 was like pulling teeth on a chicken. |
| 16:58.13 | themill | silidan: so not good... what does "file /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3" say |
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| 16:58.18 | wols_ | _2: madwifi will still work with lenny but you should use ath5k and ath9k |
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| 16:58.50 | silidan | themill: /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3: symbolic link to `libgalago.so.3.0.0' |
| 16:58.54 | _2 | wols i'll try those. thanks for the heads up on that. |
| 16:59.03 | silidan | themill: afk... will be back soon |
| 16:59.12 | themill | silidan: err.. file -L /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3 |
| 16:59.13 | _2 | i think mine is 5k |
| 16:59.29 | wols_ | _2: basically, madwifi is legacy and ath5k and ath9k are the current drivers |
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| 17:00.15 | wols_ | _2: tell us the pci id and we can show you if it works. I use ath5k myself and I#m happy with it. if your chip is b/g it'S 5, if the chip is b/g/n it's 9 usually |
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| 17:01.29 | _2 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 17:01.37 | aiux | !tell _2 -about pciid |
| 17:01.42 | wols_ | _2: that's no pciid. use lspci -nn |
| 17:01.54 | WormFood | if I get the source code to a new package I want to compile, can I just copy the debian directory from the old source page and follow the normal directions? (I don't want any debian patches applied) |
| 17:02.34 | _2 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless |
| 17:02.34 | _2 | Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 17:02.36 | wols_ | WormFood: you can try. it depends on what's in the patches if it works or not. no generalization possible |
| 17:02.44 | _2 | looks the same to me |
| 17:02.48 | aiux | !tell _2 -about paste |
| 17:02.50 | wols_ | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 17:02.54 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 17:03.01 | wols_ | _2: not quite the same :) |
| 17:03.01 | WormFood | yeah, I know you can't comment about the patches...nothing special with what I'm doing I'm sure |
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| 17:07.07 | _2 | so is "ath5k" a module supplied with the default kernel ? |
| 17:07.42 | _2 | ah i see it is. never mind |
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| 17:08.21 | aiux | !bitchx |
| 17:08.21 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users can ask me about <bitchxignore>. |
| 17:09.25 | aiux | _2, ^^ |
| 17:09.28 | daven | !bitchxignore |
| 17:09.28 | dpkg | from memory, bitchxignore is /ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX * QUITS |
| 17:09.41 | daven | ;p |
| 17:10.16 | _2 | :) |
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| 17:11.39 | _2 | really hates being told what software to use and what software not to use.... that's why he uses linux in the first place, and also why he moved from ubuntu to debian.... /; |
| 17:12.19 | h3xis | if i use "testing" in my sources.list instead of squeeze or w/e the current testing release name is, will i ever have to do a dist-upgrade or does it work like a rolling release (like arch)? |
| 17:12.44 | cahoot | rolling and prone for stumbles |
| 17:12.55 | h3xis | okay :) |
| 17:13.23 | h3xis | so what's the point in using the release name in sources.list? |
| 17:14.13 | wols_ | h3xis: so you don't accidentally upgrade when something new becomes stable |
| 17:14.45 | themill | h3xis: you can use "testing" quite fine but you will still need to dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) from time to time. /msg dpkg full-upgrade. And don't use "stable" in a sources.list unless you want trouble. |
| 17:16.20 | silidan | themill: back, /usr/lib/libgalago.so.3: XML document text |
| 17:16.31 | h3xis | themill: why "time to time" and not every release? what does full-upgrade do that would change a system with "testing" in sources.list? |
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| 17:16.51 | themill | silidan: oh. So bad. |
| 17:17.11 | themill | h3xis: what dpkg just said. |
| 17:17.15 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: basically if you let testing get too out of date, upgrades might not work properly (especiall cross-release) |
| 17:17.28 | SerajewelKS | especially* |
| 17:17.28 | silidan | themill: should i simply delete the file myself? |
| 17:17.32 | themill | h3xis: and there is no "release" involved here so there's no concept of "from time to time". |
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| 17:18.24 | themill | silidan: you could try reinstalling that package too... but at some stage around now I'd be assuming that your fs is completely screwed and be backing up important data and starting afresh. |
| 17:18.26 | h3xis | SerajewelKS: but i don't understand how it would get too out of date if i use the literal name "testing" in my sources.list. wouldn't it just keep pulling from the curring testing branch every time i update? |
| 17:18.46 | themill | h3xis: have you read what dpkg said? Have you read man aptitude or man apt-get yet? |
| 17:18.46 | h3xis | SerajewelKS: even when the testing release name goes stable |
| 17:18.48 | silidan | themill: woot? |
| 17:18.55 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: and you tell me that NOW? :P |
| 17:19.02 | wathek | hello all I'd like to change my actual distro and install a Debian but I was looking for the Qt packages for lenny it seems that the latest version is 4.4 and I need the 4.6 version which is in the unstable (squeeze) |
| 17:19.03 | h3xis | themill: uh. yes. i understand what dpkg does |
| 17:19.05 | silidan | themill: from a simple power off??? |
| 17:19.06 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: yes. but if you don't dist-upgrade often enough, then your packages will be old |
| 17:19.14 | h3xis | themill: along with aptitude and apt-get |
| 17:19.16 | wathek | so is it possible to have Qt 4.6 under Lenny ? |
| 17:19.21 | themill | h3xis: clearly not. |
| 17:19.25 | themill | dpkg: tell h3xis about full-upgrade |
| 17:19.26 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: but honestly unless you go like two years without dist-upgrading, you're probably fine |
| 17:19.40 | SerajewelKS | wols_: heh |
| 17:19.50 | themill | SerajewelKS: umm... no. You'll easily get yourself into situations were you need to full-upgrade to complete a transition. |
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| 17:20.58 | h3xis | themill: youre not answering my question and neither is dpkg. i know what full-upgrade does. why aren't the "updates" included if i just stick with using the "testing" name |
| 17:21.01 | SerajewelKS | themill: it's more than that. if testing is going to be release A, and the next time you dist-upgrade testing is release C (you skipped B) then upgrading can seriously break things, because you will skip some migration |
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| 17:21.12 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: I run sid.... and usually I only apt-get install <shiny new stuff> when I need it. so about once per 6 months an update or install goes horribly horribly wrong cause my system is too much out of date: then it's time for lots of dpkg --force calls :) |
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| 17:21.21 | SerajewelKS | themill: same reason you don't upgrade woody straight to lenny |
| 17:21.31 | SerajewelKS | wols_: exactly |
| 17:21.37 | themill | h3xis: you clearly *don't* know what full-upgrade does and that's why I keep telling you to read these things. |
| 17:21.44 | wols_ | h3xis: see what I wrote |
| 17:22.20 | SerajewelKS | basically if you let testing or sid get too out of date then the next time you upgrade or install something there's a good chance you're going to have to manually pacify apt |
| 17:22.32 | themill | SerajewelKS: oh yes. That's even more of a problem. But I mean even just run-of-the-mill updates and transitions in testing (and even some security updates in stable, like DSA1571) won't install correctly with just an "apt-get upgrade". |
| 17:22.59 | h3xis | SerajewelKS: what do you mean out of date? if i just keep it regularly updated, how can it get out of date? what updates would full-upgrade apply that just regular apt-get update wouldn't? |
| 17:23.03 | SerajewelKS | themill: right. i'm not debating upgrade vs dist-upgrade. (if i said upgrade i meant dist-upgrade) |
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| 17:23.16 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: man aptitude |
| 17:23.17 | themill | SerajewelKS: but that's exactly what h3xis is talking about |
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| 17:23.48 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: first of all, aptitude update only fetches the package lists; it doesn't install anything... |
| 17:23.55 | h3xis | SerajewelKS: right, sorry. that was a typo |
| 17:23.59 | h3xis | meant apt-get upgrade |
| 17:24.06 | themill | h3xis: seriously... read what people are telling you. "dist-upgrade" allows the resolver to remove packages; "upgrade" does not. |
| 17:24.24 | wols_ | h3xis: it simply won't do as much dependency checking for example. not installing additionally, new but required packages |
| 17:24.39 | themill | h3xis: in fact, apt-get upgrade won't even install new packages. |
| 17:24.42 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: also, there's this cool thing called documentation, and people write it so that you can read it before asking questions |
| 17:25.03 | themill | or so you can read the relevant parts of it when people point you to it... |
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| 17:25.33 | wols_ | themill: I'm a reading barbie and proud of it, DAMMIT! |
| 17:25.42 | wols_ | not reading is HARD. will you go shopping with me? |
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| 17:26.21 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: so for a specific example, if there's a package transition, say from grub to grub-pc, an upload will be made of "grub" that provides no software but the package depends on grub-pc. this forces you to upgrade to it if you have grub installed. |
| 17:26.45 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: since dist-upgrade/full-upgrade will install new packages, that would complete the upgrade. upgrade/safe-upgrade will not install new packages, so you will not get that update. |
| 17:26.58 | h3xis | SerajewelKS: okay. i understand now. thanks :) |
| 17:27.00 | themill | Or for example, DSA1571. |
| 17:27.02 | themill | !dsa1571 |
| 17:27.02 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys . Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 17:27.08 | themill | !ssl update |
| 17:27.08 | dpkg | DSA1571 and DSA1576 are addressed in packages for openssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), libssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), openssh-server (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-client (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-blacklist (0.1.1). To install them, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" (dist-upgrade required because new packages are being installed). Ask me about <ssh-vulnkey> <dsa1571><dsa1576>. Also ask me about <fail2ban> to make script kiddies go away. |
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| 17:27.37 | themill | (rather)... where the openssl-vulnkey package and openssh-blacklist package were introduced. |
| 17:27.40 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i'm a computer engineer barbie and i have a pink laptop because that's the color of laptop computer engineers use! |
| 17:28.07 | SerajewelKS | in other words, there is very little reason to use safe-upgrade |
| 17:28.12 | h3xis | if aptitude is superior to apt-get why have apt-get at all? |
| 17:28.15 | _2 | ath5k doesn't seem to work, but, maybe it's the operator. who knows |
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| 17:28.45 | SerajewelKS | h3xis: because if it were removed people would be in here whining about how every howto they try doesn't work and calling debian the most retarded distro in the world and threatening the DD's cats. |
| 17:28.47 | themill | SerajewelKS: it's less likely to do things you didn't want it to do when you didn't read the proposed actions (you've seen here how often *that* happens) |
| 17:28.57 | wols_ | h3xis: cause we are old curmudgeons who protest very very loudly (and have great cane handling) when somebody takes away our apt-get. also: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 17:29.20 | SerajewelKS | themill: well of course... there is very little reason to safe-upgrade *if* you have a brain and know how to use it. |
| 17:29.44 | themill | SerajewelKS: big if. |
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| 17:30.05 | simonrvn | it's really iffy |
| 17:30.30 | SerajewelKS | right... perhaps for those who don't qualify for using dist-upgrade would be better off using another OS that does everything for them... |
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| 17:30.50 | SerajewelKS | (theoretically) |
| 17:30.58 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: we call that "ubuntu". no clue what that means tho |
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| 17:36.47 | dekroning | anyone that knows the name of this sidebar tool, which shows you the cpu/mem/hdd/etc usage, it had a Tux logo (by default) on the top, it's been years since i've used it, forgot the name |
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| 17:37.10 | cahoot | gkrellm? |
| 17:37.11 | xuser | conky? |
| 17:37.16 | dekroning | cahoot: yeah! |
| 17:37.22 | dekroning | ChanServ: thanks :-) |
| 17:37.40 | SerajewelKS | screenlets? |
| 17:38.11 | pallgone | is there anyone who can help me to analyze the following error: I'm trying to use jackd as user in realtime, this is allowed in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf. it doesn't work under X, tells me I'm not allowed... but when I switch to a tty and do the same thing there: jackd -d alsa, it works... how can that be? |
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| 17:39.07 | pallgone | what is different in X so that it fails there? |
| 17:39.57 | pallgone | further more: I have another machine with squeeze, same hardware, almost the same setup... it works there also under X |
| 17:40.01 | SerajewelKS | pallgone: perhaps you have to restart X after changing that file? |
| 17:40.19 | pallgone | SerajewelKS: I've tried everything... rebooting etc. |
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| 17:40.38 | SerajewelKS | hrm that's my only suggestion, sorry, not too familiar with the limits config |
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| 17:42.59 | pallgone | hmm, that sucks... I would like to find out why it fails... |
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| 17:46.09 | WormFood | god damn it! where the hell is this coming from, and how do I "fix" it? uupdate: source tree for new version already exists as... |
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| 17:47.09 | jordanm | WormFood: context? pastebin your command along with full output... and an explination of what your trying to do never hurts |
| 17:47.12 | jordanm | !tell WormFood about ask |
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| 17:47.19 | SerajewelKS | !your |
| 17:47.19 | dpkg | hmm... your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 17:47.26 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 17:47.30 | SerajewelKS | i can use the bot too! |
| 17:47.39 | themill | SerajewelKS: join the queue behind abrotman on that one |
| 17:47.43 | jordanm | adds SerajewelKS to his abrotman parsing scripts too |
| 17:48.10 | WormFood | Jordan_U, clearly you've never used uupdate |
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| 17:48.50 | SerajewelKS | haha.... i love the "help me! i demand help! but you're stupid, i don't want your help!" |
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| 17:48.58 | SerajewelKS | grabs some popcorn |
| 17:48.59 | Jordan_U | hates tab completion of nicks |
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| 17:49.52 | mkt | hi for all |
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| 17:50.59 | WormFood | SerajewelKS, I'm not demanding help...god damn, if you don't know the answer to my question, then just shut up. If you've never used uupdate before then you'll have never seen this error...I know it is looking at something somewhere, but I don't know what. |
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| 17:51.18 | jordanm | WormFood: no, I have not but I still find it doubtful someone who has is going to know what your problem is with the little information given |
| 17:51.20 | pallgone | OK, funny... I've started another X server and there it works |
| 17:51.26 | themill | WormFood: by now you should know that seeing the exact error message is step one to helping |
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| 17:51.50 | WormFood | themill, that is the exact error message, less the package I'm trying to compile |
| 17:52.13 | WormFood | google is no help...I find one reference to that |
| 17:52.15 | themill | WormFood: Ask yourself the following.... (a) what does uupdate do? check the list of steps in man uupdate (b) where does it do it? (c) what does the error message actually mean? |
| 17:52.16 | auchewet | hi, I've installed fuseiso, have added my user to the group fuse but I still get the error "failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" now I see that /usr/bin/fuseiso has the owner root:root ... is that even correct?! shouldn't it be root:fuse? I've done nothing to the file. |
| 17:52.36 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: no, root:root is correct |
| 17:52.44 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: i bet if you type "id" you won't see yourself in the fuse group |
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| 17:52.50 | Bushmills | auchewet: are you member of group fuse? |
| 17:52.54 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: you must log out and log back in for group changes to take effect |
| 17:53.11 | auchewet | uid=1001(user0) gid=1001(user0) Gruppen=24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),103(scanner),118(shared-folder),124(fuse),1001(user0) |
| 17:53.12 | auchewet | I am |
| 17:53.20 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: ls -l /dev/fuse |
| 17:53.38 | WormFood | damn it! I screwed up...thanks themill. I was giving it a directory instead of an archive |
| 17:53.46 | auchewet | crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 8. Apr 10:13 /dev/fuse |
| 17:53.47 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: my perms are root:fuse |
| 17:53.50 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: /dev/fuse should be owned by root:fuse |
| 17:53.59 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: ya i know what they are supposed to be :) |
| 17:54.03 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: so chgrp on it |
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| 17:54.11 | Bushmills | auchewet: what distribution is that? |
| 17:54.14 | auchewet | yeah... but I've done nothing to that one as well... |
| 17:54.18 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: you confuse me then.. 2010-05-04 13:53 < SerajewelKS> auchewet: no, root:root is correct |
| 17:54.24 | auchewet | Bushmills, debian testing |
| 17:54.34 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: for /usr/bin/fuseiso it should be root:root, absolutely |
| 17:54.56 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: read the first thing auchewet said again |
| 17:54.56 | themill | WormFood: and do you think people would have noticed that and been able to help you if you'd told us the exact command and exact error message as jordanm requested? |
| 17:55.00 | Bushmills | unusual. testing shows root fuse as owner and group here |
| 17:55.16 | karsten | KDE3 question: pop-up dialogs, focus. Set to "Focus Under Mouse" and "Focus stealing prevention level" = "Low". Pop-up dialogs (confirmations, search, etc.) do *NOT* get focus. I'd prefer they did. Any settings to change this? |
| 17:55.19 | Bushmills | seems something went wrong somehow somewhere somewhen |
| 17:55.20 | karsten | (lenny) |
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| 17:55.37 | auchewet | SerajewelKS, /dev/fuse isn't persistant... how would I make this persistant? |
| 17:56.02 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: i don't know. it should be created owned by root:fuse automatically. |
| 17:56.03 | kieren | Hey, I have my current /home as ext4 using Kubuntu 10.04 but I'm looking to install Debian |
| 17:56.08 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: try "modprobe -r fuse; modprobe fuse" |
| 17:56.10 | jordanm | karsten: might have better luck on #debian-kde on oftc. I know upstream kde isn't going to be much help |
| 17:56.21 | WormFood | no, I sorta doubt jordanm would have been able to help, but maybe, who knows....I did forget to read the man page, as that told me what I screwed up |
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| 17:56.23 | SerajewelKS | auchewet: then see what the ownership is. then try changing it to root:fuse and run the modprobe commands again. |
| 17:56.31 | kieren | Can I just set the partition to be /home in the installer and it will mount it as ext3? |
| 17:56.39 | karsten | jordanm: Yeah, #kde has a blatant v4 bias. Thanks. |
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| 17:57.13 | SerajewelKS | kieren: as long as it does not use extents, yes, ext4 is backwards-compatible |
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| 17:57.57 | SerajewelKS | kieren: testing supports ext4 by the way. if you are planning on using stable then yeh, you'll have to use ext3. |
| 17:57.58 | Bushmills | auchewet: what does grep chgrp /etc/init.d/fuse show? |
| 17:58.10 | SerajewelKS | kieren: but if it uses extents then you'll have to install testing |
| 17:58.37 | kieren | extents? |
| 17:58.53 | jordanm | WormFood: I would helped you ask the right question for someone who does know the application. whether or not I knew about your application in this case is irrelevant. I was simply giving advice on what is needed in order for people to effectively help you |
| 17:59.04 | SerajewelKS | kieren: yes. if you don't know what they are you should research ext4 extents and determine if you are using them. |
| 17:59.09 | digita| | Can anyone help me update my existing installation of libcurl to the lastest version, I don't want to mess my install up |
| 17:59.42 | karsten | kieren: Debian supports ext4 as well. Unless there's some reason Kubuntu's ext4 is incompatible w/ Debian's (news to me). |
| 17:59.52 | karsten | digita|: man aptitude |
| 18:00.09 | digita| | I'm compiling from source |
| 18:00.15 | karsten | digita|: latest version where? What release of Debian are you runing? |
| 18:00.24 | digita| | 5.0.3 |
| 18:00.30 | auchewet | SerajewelKS, Bushmills I'm currently trying to get rid of rests of fuse that are still in use... hang on |
| 18:00.45 | kieren | Okay, thanks |
| 18:00.51 | jordanm | kieren: you just need to install the backports kernel for full ext4 support. If you need it at install time, you can use kmuto installer |
| 18:01.24 | karsten | digita|: Then it installs to /usr/local, which is not managed by the system. You might want to look at 'stow' or, um, I forget, for local pacage management. |
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| 18:02.11 | digita| | according to curl-config --prefix it was originally installed to usr/local so in theory I should just ./configure --prefix=/usr/local, is that correct? |
| 18:02.16 | karsten | digita|: checkinstall's another app, though I thought there was one more. |
| 18:02.16 | jordanm | digita|: this calls for a: What are you really trying to do? |
| 18:02.27 | karsten | digita|: Correct. |
| 18:02.37 | karsten | !jordanm++ |
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| 18:02.55 | kieren | To be honest since this is a new install I may just reinstall and make /home ext3 |
| 18:03.21 | digita| | jordanm - I'm trying to update libcurl to see if it fixes some segfaults in lib/rtorrent |
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| 18:03.49 | karsten | digita|: What release of Debian are you running? What version of libcurl? Why not 1) backports, 2) sid, 3) experimental? |
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| 18:04.51 | karsten | digita|: Anyhow, FYI, GNU stow: http://linuxgazette.net/75/peda.html |
| 18:04.57 | digita| | Debian 5.0.3, 7.20.0, this wasn't my server, I inherited it to admin, usually I wouldn't mind just doing things but it's in production |
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| 18:05.19 | karsten | digita|: Um, test environment much? |
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| 18:06.10 | digita| | yeah I have tried it in there my only issue is when I installed libcurl 7.20.1 it didn't install to usr/local which is what confused me |
| 18:06.50 | digita| | actually scratch that |
| 18:07.12 | karsten | digita|: You're running lenny a/k/a stable. Your source install *probably* won't screw wanything up, though you'll whant to see what your library search path looks like (if /usr/lib and /lib preceed /usr/local/lib you should be OK). You can set that in environment or /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 18:07.46 | karsten | digita|: First order of business is to sort what version of libcurl you're actually using now. |
| 18:07.48 | digita| | cool I'll roll back my vbox and try it on there another time just to make sure things go well |
| 18:07.56 | digita| | it's 7.20.0 |
| 18:08.27 | karsten | digita|: ... and where it's installed. Confirm that you're using the packaged install and not $PRIOR_ADMIN's hand-rolled version. |
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| 18:08.58 | auchewet | SerajewelKS, now it's root:fuse ... weird :/ |
| 18:09.17 | digita| | its /usr/local according to locate although there is what looks like an old version in /usr/share |
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| 18:12.01 | themill | digita|: ldd /path/to/executable or ldd /path/to/library would be instructive in this regard |
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| 18:12.59 | digita| | ok my test upgrade from 7.20.0 to 7.20.1 seems to have gone ok in virtualbox |
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| 18:15.04 | digita| | awesome it worked on the live server |
| 18:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | awesome... that's a WM |
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| 18:19.29 | bizarrefish | evenin' |
| 18:19.50 | bizarrefish | I've got this hp netserver lp2000r (2 x PIII with 1G RAM) |
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| 18:20.18 | bizarrefish | i'm trying to boot debian off of an HDD, but init is segfaulting |
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| 18:21.08 | bizarrefish | the message is something like: init[1]:segfault at 7472747b ip b7f11bc2 sp bfffcbf8 error 4 in ld-2.7.so |
| 18:21.24 | nkuttler | bizarrefish: fsck the hd? |
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| 18:21.46 | abrotman | bizarrefish: fair warning, i used to have a similar system, HP butchered the BIOSes on those things. they're pretty f'ed up |
| 18:21.46 | bizarrefish | ok, 1 mo |
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| 18:22.29 | oru_work | how do I login to mysql ? |
| 18:22.35 | nkuttler | bizarrefish: i assume the error is consistent? |
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| 18:22.43 | abrotman | oru_work: have you read the mysql docs .. at all? |
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| 18:23.28 | bizarrefish | nkuttler: yep |
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| 18:25.29 | rektide | is there any way to get aptitude to ignore a package dependency? i'm pinning a remote repo onto debian, and the package wants python >= 2.6 |
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| 18:27.11 | themill | rektide: this is never going to work out well. What are you really trying to do? |
| 18:27.25 | rektide | themill: i'm trying to install gwibber |
| 18:27.29 | abrotman | oh, are you sure? i mean .. lots of people ask to do this .. clearly it must be a good idea |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | ,versions gwibber |
| 18:27.34 | judd | gwibber -- sid: 1.2.0+bzr358-2; squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-2 |
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| 18:28.03 | abrotman | !tell Enmity about root |
| 18:28.04 | rektide | thats more than a thousand versions behind |
| 18:28.16 | rektide | excuse me, thousand revisions |
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| 18:29.00 | rektide | just one major revision, and a handful of minor ones |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | so you're trying to do what exactly? |
| 18:29.33 | rektide | i'm not exactly sure. seems like the most direct path would be if there were some way to modify the package dependencies |
| 18:29.40 | rektide | overlay a different set of depenendcies |
| 18:29.46 | rektide | lie to dpkg/apt/aptitude |
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| 18:30.03 | abrotman | 1) where is the 'better' package coming from? 2) which version of debian are you using 3) what kind of breakage do you want? |
| 18:30.18 | rektide | all i have to do is make sure my runtime's python points to python2.6 not python (which is 2.5), which i can do, and it should work |
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| 18:30.27 | justin | if gwibber depends on python2.6, and actually uses features that were introduced in 2.6, then ignoring dependencies is not going to work very well |
| 18:30.42 | rektide | 1) ppa 2) testing with sid ane experimental pinned 3) breakage is fine |
| 18:30.55 | themill | rektide: just rebuild the package for your machine |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | rektide: testing already has python2.6 ? |
| 18:30.56 | rektide | i know i can just download the deb and dpkg --force-install, but i'd have to keep doing that every time i want to update |
| 18:30.59 | rektide | that's what i'd like to avoid |
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| 18:31.03 | rektide | abrotman: c |
| 18:31.05 | abrotman | ,versions python2.6 |
| 18:31.07 | judd | python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1 |
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| 18:31.13 | abrotman | fails to see the problem ? |
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| 18:31.27 | rektide | gwibber depends on python >= 2.6 |
| 18:31.33 | abrotman | which is already in squeeze and sid |
| 18:31.38 | rektide | no no |
| 18:31.38 | themill | no it's not |
| 18:31.43 | rektide | python2.6 is in squeeze and sid |
| 18:31.47 | rektide | python is 2.5.x |
| 18:31.50 | rektide | and will be forever more |
| 18:31.52 | themill | abrotman: the default python is still 2.5 |
| 18:31.52 | rektide | afaict |
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| 18:32.02 | simonrvn | rektide: you're trying to the ubuntu one aren't you |
| 18:32.08 | abrotman | the ppa one |
| 18:32.13 | themill | rektide: no, it will change to python2.6 in the next month or so |
| 18:32.15 | rektide | launchpad ppa gwibber, more or less ubunteu |
| 18:32.23 | abrotman | rektide: put the actual error in a damn pastebin instead of making us guess |
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| 18:33.17 | themill | rektide: just rebuild the package for your machine will probably be sufficient unless the package truly uses python2.6 in which case you'll also need to change the shebangs |
| 18:33.59 | trzu | Hello, I have got a question. I Installed lenny on my Dell Dimension 5150, but I can't connect to the network! Ifconfig says there is no inet, and in /dev i can't find any eth device. You maybe know what could be the problem? |
| 18:34.01 | rektide | "gwibber: Depends: python (>= 2.6) but 2.5.4-2 is to be installed" just didnt seem particularly informative as to what exactly the situation is |
| 18:34.30 | abrotman | judd: versions python |
| 18:34.32 | judd | python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9 |
| 18:34.39 | abrotman | isn't python2.6 supposed to be the default for squeeze? |
| 18:34.42 | justin | trzu: there are no eth devices in /dev |
| 18:34.49 | themill | abrotman: future tense though. still. |
| 18:34.55 | trzu | where are they justin, /dev/net? |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | so why did we freeze the kernel already? |
| 18:35.05 | simonrvn | trzu: there aren't any, period. |
| 18:35.07 | justin | trzu: there are no eth devices in /dev. period. |
| 18:35.10 | rektide | themill: i'll just --force-install the deb for now, shouldnt be much difference. was just hoping for the ability to update easily without messing around. |
| 18:35.14 | abrotman | zipzilchnada! |
| 18:35.22 | themill | abrotman: #573745 |
| 18:35.30 | abrotman | rektide: you could change the python package to be whatever you want |
| 18:35.32 | trzu | Well how do I connect to my network then, simonrvn and justin? |
| 18:35.41 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 18:35.41 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 18:35.45 | rektide | it'd be nice to have some way to hack on supplmemental dependencies or to override dependencies for packages |
| 18:35.48 | simonrvn | that's how |
| 18:35.55 | abrotman | !tell rektide about equivs |
| 18:36.00 | rektide | so i could modify what gwibber demands, point it at python2.6 |
| 18:36.01 | abrotman | dunno if i'd use that for the 'python' though |
| 18:36.02 | trzu | thank you simonrvn I'll real through the manpages |
| 18:36.15 | themill | rektide: you can fiddle with equivs but I really wouldn't recommend it. Just recompile the package. it will take about 30s for you to do |
| 18:36.48 | rektide | themill: again just a maintence issue, having to continually recompile v. getting dailys via ppa. |
| 18:37.00 | themill | daily? you need to get out more |
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| 18:37.14 | themill | and this is perfectly scriptable if you actually care. |
| 18:37.17 | rektide | i dont need it that often, but i do like updating oocasionally. and sometimes when stuff is breaking, you DO want the next daily. |
| 18:37.29 | rektide | indeed |
| 18:37.36 | themill | yet another reason to loathe ppas |
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| 18:38.25 | bizarrefish | nkuttler: ok, i've tried the drive in another machine(an lp1000r), and it boots fine |
| 18:38.27 | rektide | i run plenty of code out of trunk |
| 18:38.39 | rektide | i'd rather have it packaged in a deb than manually compile it |
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| 18:39.03 | nkuttler | bizarrefish: hmmm. i would have guessed a hd problem first, but it could be any other hardware i guess |
| 18:39.05 | rektide | this is the only ppa i've used in a long long time though, so i dont really know what i'm stepping in |
| 18:39.14 | bizarrefish | there is some complaining about not being able to allocate PCI space or something, before the segfault. checking now... |
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| 18:39.53 | km | is there a how to doc/tutorial on slapd? |
| 18:40.48 | rektide | theres a lot of scattered docs online on slapd |
| 18:40.52 | mius | man slapd |
| 18:41.07 | abrotman | km: probably ask #ldap instead .. they probably have better linkage |
| 18:41.09 | rektide | its really not so bad, presuming you're not trying some super high falutin kerberos intergration. |
| 18:41.16 | rektide | or #openldap |
| 18:41.23 | abrotman | whichever it is now ... |
| 18:41.26 | rektide | oh you're in openldap |
| 18:41.35 | trzu | it worked simonvn |
| 18:41.37 | km | thanks, will check this out for now: http://damstux.free.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Slapd.conf |
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| 18:41.45 | trzu | I just had to set everything to eth1 |
| 18:41.48 | trzu | wonderful |
| 18:41.51 | rektide | eto and hyc are both really smart #openldap'ers |
| 18:41.56 | rektide | good luck |
| 18:43.04 | andaluz | hello guys, I did a fresh install of Debian Lenny on my RAM-limited (256MB) laptop. But my laptop automatically startup gdm (GUI Login) at boot time. Despite changing init 2 to 3 in inittab, it keeps starting gdm. Can someone please help me? |
| 18:43.48 | andaluz | Oh yeah,I want my laptop start in runlevel 3, console-mode |
| 18:43.50 | trzu | you can choose what dm to install in the lenny installation |
| 18:44.11 | andaluz | trzu: are u talking to me? |
| 18:44.15 | trzu | yes |
| 18:44.27 | simonrvn | trzu: no |
| 18:44.32 | simonrvn | trzu: np* |
| 18:44.43 | andaluz | trzu: I alreadyinstalled debian on my laptop, I don't want to reinstall again |
| 18:44.45 | abrotman | !tell andaluz about nodm |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | andaluz: in Debian, runlevels 2-5 are identical |
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| 18:45.07 | trzu | then uninstall gnome |
| 18:45.18 | abrotman | that's not the solution |
| 18:45.19 | andaluz | abrotman: hmmm ok |
| 18:45.35 | andaluz | abrotman: please can you tell me the solution? |
| 18:45.45 | abrotman | andaluz: see what the bot told you in msg window |
| 18:45.52 | andaluz | ok |
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| 18:47.44 | andaluz | abrotman: I definetly need to learn your skills man, you're da man: |
| 18:47.48 | rektide | all i want for x-mas is a google-chrome-unstable that can exit and restart cleanly |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | that's why it's called .. unstable ? |
| 18:48.00 | rektide | he's had a lot of practice in this channel. :) |
| 18:48.06 | rektide | indeed. :) |
| 18:48.14 | rektide | unfortunately its been totally stable |
| 18:48.19 | rektide | its stayed this way for a long long time now |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | you said it's unstable, and it crashes? .. what's the problem? :) |
| 18:48.38 | rektide | real instability should be more chaotic and changing, right? :) |
| 18:48.54 | rektide | i want new and unexpected crashes! |
| 18:49.04 | rektide | aside from not being able to exit / restart, things bloody rock solid |
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| 18:52.09 | EdgEy | is 'gnome' a metapackage? it has been a while since I've used debian |
| 18:52.22 | EdgEy | when I remove certain packages apt decides to remove gnome and some other stuff |
| 18:52.29 | EdgEy | like if I remove totem |
| 18:52.45 | EdgEy | I don't want to uninstall totem and reboot into a broken system :P |
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| 18:56.59 | Bushmills | apt-cache show gnome |
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| 18:57.24 | Bushmills | " This package depends on the standard distribution of the GNOME desktop environment, plus a complete range of plugins..." |
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| 18:58.31 | justin | EdgEy: dpkg -L gnome |
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| 18:59.27 | EdgEy | Bushmills, I see |
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| 18:59.51 | EdgEy | I mean my main point is, it doesn't matter if "gnome" itself is removed? that just means that the entire base system isn't there |
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| 19:00.18 | Bushmills | that is right, but you still want to look at the files list which justin pointed you to. |
| 19:00.23 | EdgEy | I want to remove empathy, totem, evolution and other stuff I don't use |
| 19:00.24 | EdgEy | ok thanks |
| 19:00.38 | abrotman | unmarkauto ? |
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| 19:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | umkehrauto? |
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| 19:04.40 | davis | i am donig a shm_open with O_CREAT|O_EXCL and although I don't any other processes's running. I keep getting a -1 error and errno saying the file already exists. I thought if all processes were dead which had a handle to a shared memory object were gone, O_CREAT|O_EXCL mode work work. |
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| 19:08.00 | xingu | davis: a shared memory segment can outlive its creating process; see ipcs -m output |
| 19:08.16 | xyan | judd: kernel versions |
| 19:08.16 | judd | (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 19:08.22 | xyan | judd: kernel |
| 19:08.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 19:10.01 | davis | xingu thanks |
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| 19:11.20 | SerajewelKS | for a raid1, is it usually advisable to get hard drives from the same manufacturer, or from different manufacturers (so they will potentially fail at different times) |
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| 19:12.19 | rektide | SerajewelKS: get the same manu. MTBF has big big big deviation anyways, and you'll want near parity for drive performance. |
| 19:12.44 | SerajewelKS | rektide: mmk thanks |
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| 19:13.28 | SerajewelKS | looking at getting three 1TB drives for a raid1, two live and one in storage as a spare |
| 19:13.32 | rektide | uhh big *standard* deviation, hopefully that makes more sense. ;) two X series drives should have the same Y mtbf. ;) |
| 19:13.52 | SerajewelKS | right, that's my main concern... don't want them both going kablooey at the same time |
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| 19:14.26 | rektide | truly concurrent failure is highly highly unlikely |
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| 19:15.04 | justin | the problem isn't concurrent failure, the problem is that one drive fails, and during the rebuild, the other drive fails |
| 19:15.13 | justin | which is highly highly likely |
| 19:15.31 | rektide | highly highly likely? |
| 19:15.58 | rektide | thats really not very probable |
| 19:16.02 | justin | you have 2 1TB drives that are probably sitting relatively idle and unused most of the time |
| 19:16.05 | rektide | it happens, and it sucks |
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| 19:16.27 | rektide | just not likely |
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| 19:22.57 | sebo28_ | sa |
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| 19:24.19 | xNice | hello...i have setup pptpd and i can connect to it but i cant connect to the net after that...because i got 0.0.0.0 gateway in my vpn connection...i need this vpn to surf the internet anonymously from home through my xen vps in USA |
| 19:24.23 | xNice | what i am missing |
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| 19:25.03 | arvind_khadri | hi, which package provides aclocal |
| 19:25.05 | arvind_khadri | m4 ? |
| 19:25.14 | SerajewelKS | !tell arvind_khadri about apt-file |
| 19:26.03 | justin | xNice: why are you using pptp? |
| 19:26.19 | justin | xNice: use a real vpn, like openvpn |
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| 19:27.31 | xNice | with openvpn i cant use windows vpn to connect to it ? |
| 19:27.54 | justin | you can run openvpn on windows |
| 19:28.03 | xNice | yeah but i need a client for that right ? |
| 19:28.13 | justin | yes |
| 19:28.30 | xNice | and with openvpn clients can connect with username/pass or only certificate key ? |
| 19:28.49 | xNice | i want to give some clients easy vpn access to surf the net freely |
| 19:28.50 | justin | though, pretty sure ppp doesnt have the concept of a gateway, so the fact that you are seeing 0.0.0.0 isn't necessarily your problem |
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| 19:29.21 | xNice | i see...i am trying to fix that gateway problem maybe it will work after |
| 19:29.23 | justin | did you enable NAT for the vpn pool? |
| 19:30.17 | xNice | i dont think |
| 19:31.14 | xNice | can you point me how to do that ? |
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| 19:33.43 | Ecco | Hi ! |
| 19:33.55 | sebo28_ | what |
| 19:33.57 | Ecco | I have this Debian machine that had its power shut down |
| 19:34.01 | Ecco | doesn't boot up anymore |
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| 19:34.12 | Guest20920 | it gets stuck at "Uncompressing Linux ..................." |
| 19:34.29 | Ecco_ | And that's it |
| 19:34.32 | justin | Ecco_: lilo? grub? |
| 19:34.38 | Ecco_ | lilo |
| 19:34.52 | justin | xNice: http://www.tektonic.net/wiki/index.php/VPN_+_NAT_Howto |
| 19:34.53 | Ecco_ | I tried pretty much any possible "video=" kernel option |
| 19:35.02 | Ecco_ | but anyway, I think the kernel image is corrupt |
| 19:35.08 | Ecco_ | Is there a way to re-install it ? |
| 19:35.12 | justin | xNice: need to do the stuff about ip_forward and iptables |
| 19:35.15 | Ecco_ | (I just booted on a rescue CD) |
| 19:35.19 | abrotman | do you have another kernel to try? |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | you can reinstall it |
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| 19:35.26 | Ecco_ | Unfortunately, nope |
| 19:35.31 | Ecco_ | yeah, I'd like to reinstall it |
| 19:35.34 | justin | Ecco_: running lilo should fix it |
| 19:35.40 | Ecco_ | Really ? |
| 19:35.42 | justin | yeah |
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| 19:36.04 | Ecco_ | Does lilo copy the kernel itself somewhere else ? |
| 19:36.15 | justin | kinda |
| 19:36.15 | Ecco_ | I thought it was reading it from "/boot" on boot |
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| 19:36.24 | justin | grub does, lilo cheats |
| 19:36.36 | justin | just try chroot and running lilo |
| 19:36.39 | Ecco_ | that's interesting (I'm rebooting in the meantime) |
| 19:36.41 | justin | that'll probably make it work again |
| 19:36.50 | Ecco_ | I'm giving it a try |
| 19:36.59 | Ecco_ | Just being curious here, but what does lilo do then ? |
| 19:37.14 | justin | it updates the MBR with the location of the kernel on the disk |
| 19:37.15 | Ecco_ | Does it copy the whole kernel image somewhere else ? |
| 19:37.25 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok |
| 19:37.28 | justin | or something lame like that :) |
| 19:37.31 | aiux | Linux Loader |
| 19:38.01 | Ecco_ | it won't do anything, right ? |
| 19:38.01 | Ecco_ | in /boot |
| 19:38.01 | Ecco_ | But if the kernel image gets corrupt |
| 19:38.12 | Ecco_ | (anyway, I just did run "lilo", we'll see :-)) |
| 19:38.27 | justin | your kernel is most likely fine, the mbr is probably just out of sync |
| 19:38.44 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok |
| 19:39.06 | petern_ | hmm, seems ffmpeg2theora in squeeze cannot open my DV files |
| 19:39.06 | Ecco_ | So you think lilo crashed because it was trying to "uncompress" something which clearly isn't a kernel ? |
| 19:39.15 | justin | something like that |
| 19:39.18 | Ecco_ | That's weird though, I thought the decompression routine was inside the kernel itself |
| 19:39.30 | justin | forgets |
| 19:39.49 | Ecco_ | I'm pretty sure it actually is |
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| 19:40.00 | justin | anyway, this should fix it, or not, but no sense in trying to reinstall the kernel if it's just lilo that needs fixing |
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| 19:40.12 | Ecco_ | Agreed :-) |
| 19:40.41 | SerajewelKS | not that reinstalling the kernel is a particularly involved process either |
| 19:40.42 | Ecco_ | First times this happens to me though |
| 19:41.21 | Ecco_ | So just out of curiosity, how do you deal with the kernel in debian if you don't wanna rebuild it |
| 19:41.28 | justin | deal? |
| 19:41.31 | Ecco_ | Are there any "variants" ? |
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| 19:41.38 | Ecco_ | Like I don't know, optimized builds |
| 19:41.44 | justin | almost everything is built as module, no need |
| 19:41.55 | justin | optimized how? |
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| 19:42.08 | Ecco_ | There are some options that you can't modularier though |
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| 19:42.10 | justin | most people just "optimize" it by removing modules, they could just rm them from /lib/modules to get the same result :) |
| 19:42.16 | Ecco_ | :-D |
| 19:42.19 | jordanm | Ecco_: there are seperate kernels from PAE, xen domUs, openvz and things like that, if that is what you mean |
| 19:42.32 | jordanm | s/from/for/ |
| 19:42.42 | Ecco_ | yeah, that was part of my question :-) |
| 19:43.32 | Ecco_ | My system is just back up :-) |
| 19:43.32 | Ecco_ | justin: You were right man ! |
| 19:43.47 | Ecco_ | Maybe it's time to switch to grub after all |
| 19:44.04 | Ecco_ | Thanks for the hint though |
| 19:44.09 | Ecco_ | So out of curiosity |
| 19:44.14 | jordanm | !enter |
| 19:44.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:44.16 | Ecco_ | How do you reinstall the kernel in debian ? |
| 19:44.28 | valdyn | Ecco_: reinstall the package |
| 19:44.31 | jordanm | Ecco_: aptitude reinstall <package>; man aptitude |
| 19:44.34 | Ecco_ | Yeah, I guess |
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| 19:44.42 | Ecco_ | IOW, what's the name of the package :-) |
| 19:44.52 | valdyn | !tell Ecco_ -about search |
| 19:44.53 | jordanm | Ecco_: linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 19:45.05 | Ecco_ | Great :-) |
| 19:45.13 | Ecco_ | I was aptitude search'ing for "kernel" |
| 19:45.19 | Ecco_ | thanks :-) |
| 19:45.37 | aiux | Ecco_, uname -r , says ? |
| 19:46.01 | Ecco_ | says nothing right now, my MacMini is fsck'ing like crazy |
| 19:46.11 | Ecco_ | it's been up for like 100 days, and got a power failure this morning |
| 19:46.30 | pakete | how to install debian from windows? over vpn? |
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| 19:46.46 | justin | Ecco_: dpkg -l '*image-*' will work better |
| 19:46.47 | Ecco_ | pakete: what do you mean ? Download a DVD, burn, boot |
| 19:46.59 | valdyn | !goodbye windows |
| 19:47.02 | valdyn | oo |
| 19:47.15 | jordanm | valdyn: thats a difficult one for #d to support... |
| 19:47.20 | xNice | justin sorry for this but...can you point me to a step by step pptpd on debian for anonymous internet surfing |
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| 19:47.48 | jordanm | xNice: sure you don't want something like tor? |
| 19:47.50 | justin | xNice: the 'anonymous internet searching' part is irrelevant. just follow any vpn tutorial |
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| 19:48.09 | justin | xNice: you just need to setup forwarding, which is 2 commands that are covered in the link I sent you |
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| 19:48.40 | valdyn | xNice: you need to use tor or pay someone to anonymize you |
| 19:48.44 | Ecco_ | So I'm using 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:48.51 | Ecco_ | Which, BTW, is really outdated |
| 19:48.59 | Ecco_ | How comes ? |
| 19:49.10 | valdyn | Ecco_: why is it outdated? |
| 19:49.12 | Ecco_ | (I just did a "default" install a few month ago) |
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| 19:49.15 | abrotman | that's how stable works .. it's not outdated |
| 19:49.26 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok |
| 19:49.34 | jordanm | everyone knows that if it was release more than a month ago, its deprecated... |
| 19:49.34 | Number6 | hello guys, I just managed to remove gnome on my laptop because it's too big for my laptop. Anyway, now I'm running on runlevel 3, I can't seem to get my wifi-usb on. It worked when using Gnome, so I'm sure the module is ok. So how can I turn on wifi, I tried ifup wlan0, ifup eth0, ifup -av, nothing helped me. |
| 19:49.48 | Ecco_ | So basically Debian consider the vanilla tree as "unstable" (which is a choice) |
| 19:49.52 | Ecco_ | ok :-) |
| 19:49.53 | chessboxing | what package should I install for "wininet-config"? |
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| 19:50.11 | valdyn | Ecco_: thats a weird way to see it |
| 19:50.20 | Ecco_ | Really ? |
| 19:50.30 | Ecco_ | Until recently, I used to build kernels myself |
| 19:50.35 | xNice | i have my vps server already in the USA and i did install pptpd service and i can connect to that server from my home but after connecting the internet not working so as justin said its a bout nating maybe and gateway |
| 19:50.35 | Ecco_ | Was fun, but took too much time |
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| 19:50.38 | jordanm | Number6: use iwconfig. you may want to stop/disable network-manager |
| 19:50.50 | valdyn | Ecco_: linus considers his kernels unstable by definition |
| 19:50.52 | Ecco_ | So I'm used to using kernels from kernel.org. Never had any issue with them |
| 19:51.02 | xNice | why pay for vpn service if i already have my own server...also i want to give vpn accounts to some users |
| 19:51.03 | valdyn | Ecco_: thats not a debian view |
| 19:51.07 | Ecco_ | Ok :-) |
| 19:51.17 | Ecco_ | But still, kernel.org clearly states "stabe - 2.6.33" |
| 19:51.43 | valdyn | Ecco_: it also calls release candidates what really is by definition not a release candidate |
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| 19:51.47 | Ecco_ | Not that I really care though : I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing an "update" procedure of my debian machine |
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| 19:51.52 | shanepardue | Ecco_: Many things are called stable.. |
| 19:51.53 | Ecco_ | :-) |
| 19:52.01 | Number6 | jordanm, I need to stop network-manager right. But I already tried iwconfig, it just shows me wlan status which are deactivated. |
| 19:52.02 | chessboxing | what package should I install for "wininet-config"? |
| 19:52.04 | valdyn | Ecco_: its just names that people are used to, they make no sense |
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| 19:52.14 | Ecco_ | Don't get me wrong though : I used to be a gentoo user. It sucked. I'm really pleased with my Debian experience so far |
| 19:52.58 | Ecco_ | I guess part of the nice experience comes from people (debian maintainers) picking up "good" releases even if they date a little bit |
| 19:53.07 | valdyn | Ecco_: for example, linux-2.6.32-rc1 is not at all a release candidate but the bug ridden mess you get after merging alot of stuff |
| 19:53.08 | cahoot | Ecco_: my impression is the kernels are called stable when no new features are added |
| 19:53.09 | jordanm | Number6: did you have a look at the iwconfig manpage? |
| 19:53.20 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok |
| 19:53.21 | roe | anyone know the lm-sensors gnome applet? |
| 19:53.25 | roe | package name that is |
| 19:53.40 | Ecco_ | What happens if a vulnerability is found in the kernel, and patched in, say, 2.6.35 ? |
| 19:54.02 | valdyn | Ecco_: debian applies patches to the stable kernel |
| 19:54.06 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok |
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| 19:54.16 | Ecco_ | so the "2.6.26" I'm using isn't the vanilla one ? |
| 19:54.17 | valdyn | Ecco_: just like any serious distro does anyway |
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| 19:54.25 | Number6 | jordanm, yes, but there is a lot of settings about ssid, tx,rx, channel etc... but not about how to turn on wifi, which than search for an accessible AP. |
| 19:54.37 | roe | found it, nm |
| 19:54.39 | valdyn | Ecco_: no, its 2.6.26 + debian patches + debian security patches |
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| 19:54.49 | Ecco_ | Oh, ok :-) |
| 19:54.52 | Bushmills | is there a sort of keyboard/mouse switch, akin to x2x or synergy, which works with console too? like, having one keyboard, one mouse, and gpm, enabling me to move mouse pointer to display of another machine, where i can continue typing with the same keyboard then? |
| 19:55.42 | Ecco_ | why do you call them "debian" patches ? |
| 19:55.42 | Ecco_ | Are they really written by "Debian" integrators ? |
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| 19:55.43 | jordanm | Number6: iwconfig does not search for APs. use iwlist for that. its going to look like: iwconfig wlan0 essid 'foo'; dhclient wlan0 |
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| 19:55.44 | valdyn | Ecco_: because theres a number of patches that got in before release. Those patches dont follow the same policy as security patches by debian |
| 19:55.44 | Ecco_ | It would make more sense if the kernel guys themselves were maintaining "stable" releases and back-porting important patches |
| 19:56.00 | jelly-one | Ecco_, picked and QAd by Debian intergrators, and some are written by them too, yes |
| 19:56.07 | Ecco_ | oh, ok |
| 19:56.11 | Ecco_ | Interesting :-) |
| 19:56.42 | valdyn | Ecco_: the kernel guys do some maintenance, and debian will obviously take their security patches |
| 19:57.06 | valdyn | Ecco_: but post-release debian also follows its policy. |
| 19:57.10 | jelly-one | Ecco_, lwn.net features kernel contributions by distro/company every now and then |
| 19:57.16 | Ecco_ | ok, I see |
| 19:58.38 | Ecco_ | Anyway, time to get some food |
| 19:58.44 | Ecco_ | thanks for the help !!! |
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| 20:03.30 | engla | hi. there is no debian "archive", right, where I can find source packages for old package versions from *testing/unstable* |
| 20:03.41 | engla | i.e versions that are not current in any release stable/testing/unstable |
| 20:03.55 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 20:03.55 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:04.31 | engla | yay! there was such a thing.. was. :-) |
| 20:04.55 | engla | greycat: cool |
| 20:04.58 | greycat | 2010-04-12 was hardly a long time ago. did it break in the 3 weeks since that announcement? |
| 20:06.09 | justin | engla: many debian packages are in git or svn that you can clone yourself and get access to previous versions |
| 20:06.12 | engla | no. I just read it too quickly. .net and .org are two different things apparently |
| 20:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... MS doesn't have .ORG |
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| 20:10.13 | Wulf | Hello! |
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| 20:10.33 | engla | I'm a bit unhappy with the new gnome-icon-theme. it breaks a lot of icons that previously were SVG, now some are only available in 48x48 |
| 20:10.40 | _2 | what is the major and minor number for dsp ? |
| 20:10.42 | engla | which makes Kupfer look crap |
| 20:10.44 | Wulf | I'm trying to install debian/stable via network/pxeboot. Installing installer components failed with a kernel version mismatch or similar |
| 20:10.54 | Wulf | did I use the wrong netboot image? |
| 20:11.13 | greycat | wonders what _2 has done |
| 20:11.41 | aiux | _2, you upgraded to lenny yet ? |
| 20:11.42 | greycat | _2: your /dev isn't managed by udev? |
| 20:11.46 | jordanm | well.. which did you use? also, exact error messages are _much_ better than a summary... |
| 20:12.05 | _2 | greycat /dev/dsp doesn't exist :( |
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| 20:12.25 | greycat | _2: what version of Debian is this? |
| 20:12.26 | _2 | SOUND works but dsp is missing |
| 20:12.31 | _2 | 4.0 |
| 20:12.39 | greycat | if you're using ALSA, then dsp is only provided as an emulation layer |
| 20:12.40 | jordanm | thought /dev/dsp was OSS |
| 20:12.47 | cahoot | _2: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 20:14.44 | _2 | added to /etc/modules i guess a reboot to make sure that it automagicly works now, is in order |
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| 20:15.48 | _2 | tanks cahoot greycat & jordanm |
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| 20:16.13 | jordanm | isn't sure he did anything to help _2 |
| 20:17.19 | Wulf | can anyone help me with the netboot debian installation? |
| 20:17.31 | RichiH | anyone got a subscription to LWN and can me send the subscriber link to https://lwn.net/Articles/385949/rss ? |
| 20:17.35 | dondelelcaro | Wulf: best to just ask your question |
| 20:17.43 | RichiH | s_/rss__ |
| 20:17.50 | jordanm | Wulf: well.. which did you use? also, exact error messages are _much_ better than a summary... |
| 20:18.00 | jordanm | Wulf: sorry, I didn't prepend the question with your name earlier |
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| 20:18.20 | Wulf | jordanm: oh, haven't seen it. my fault, too |
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| 20:18.43 | Wulf | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 20:18.52 | RichiH | got it, thanks |
| 20:18.57 | dvheumen | hi, I've got a problem with winbindd not refreshing the ticket for the DC. And after the Windows server reboots (sigh...) the samba fileserver cannot authenticate anyone anymore. I have searched a lot on google and such. But all settings like 'winbind ticket refresh' don't have the desired effect. I also wonder whether kerberos is still necessary if you have set --set-auth-user settings in samba. |
| 20:19.16 | Wulf | "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive." and another paragraph |
| 20:19.22 | Wulf | jordanm: ^ |
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| 20:20.19 | greycat | dvheumen: #samba might be better at answering that |
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| 20:20.22 | Wulf | jordanm: on another console I get "unknown udeb lenny-support" |
| 20:20.44 | dvheumen | greycat, yeah, now that you say that ... that sounds logical :P, tnx |
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| 20:26.22 | jordanm | Wulf: that should be correct. Not sure about resolution |
| 20:26.31 | Number6 | hello guys, I did the following to get my wifi-usb working: ifconfig wlan0 up, iwconfig wlan0 essid "AP-Name" channel 7, and finally: dhclient wlan 0. The last command results in an error because it doesn't get an IP from the dhcp. |
| 20:27.23 | jordanm | Number6: you typically don't need to specify channel. doesn `iwconfi` show it as associated? is there any encyption on the network? |
| 20:27.33 | jordanm | sorry, should say `iwconfig` |
| 20:29.22 | Number6 | jordanm, no it shows "not associated" |
| 20:29.40 | jordanm | Number6: does iwlist show the AP? |
| 20:29.51 | Number6 | yes, iwlist works |
| 20:30.00 | Number6 | I've played with it too |
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| 20:30.09 | Wulf | jordanm: *sigh* let's hope that one of my last few CD-Rs works |
| 20:30.29 | jordanm | Number6: what does dmesg say about the attempted association? |
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| 20:32.35 | Number6 | jordanm, I see "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 20:32.56 | Number6 | other messages seem to be ok |
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| 20:33.37 | jordanm | Number6: is network-mangler still running? |
| 20:33.57 | Number6 | I did turn it off, but I'll check it again. |
| 20:34.28 | jordanm | Number6: invoke-rc.d network-manager stop |
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| 20:35.03 | Number6 | jordanm, ok I'll do that |
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| 20:35.33 | Number6 | jordanm, ok done that |
| 20:35.51 | jordanm | Number6: now try again |
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| 20:36.25 | Number6 | jordanm, you mean "iwconfig wlan0 essid "AP-name" ? |
| 20:36.40 | jordanm | Number6: yes, followed by `iwconfig` to see it associated |
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| 20:37.39 | Number6 | still not associated, but running ifconfig shows me inet addr: 169.254.8.161, which to me is a strange ip |
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| 20:39.11 | ham5 | local ip |
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| 20:39.32 | Number6 | now I did "dhclient" which responds with dhcpdiscover interval and finally it it says "no dhcpoffers received" |
| 20:40.05 | Number6 | ham5, aah thnx. I thought only 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:40.20 | ham5 | http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/privip.htm |
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| 20:43.10 | jordanm | Number6: pastebin `dmesg | tail ` |
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| 20:45.42 | Number6 | jordanm, well it will be difficult to paste, my laptoip has no connectivity at all, its eth is not working, that's why I want the wireless fixed ;) But I'll check what I can do to provide you with more info |
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| 20:48.17 | Marco1 | bye |
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| 20:52.35 | Number6 | jordanm, it's ok now. I guess it has to do with the AP somehow. I finally tested on my AP and now I get an ip! Thank you very much for your help jordanm. |
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| 20:53.12 | Mercedes-B | anyone could help me with pptpd as proxy |
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| 20:53.57 | Number6 | Aaah apt finally installs my apps :) |
| 20:54.15 | jordanm | Number6: networking is up now? |
| 20:54.27 | aiux | Number6, aptitude* ;) |
| 20:55.09 | Number6 | jordanm, yes I'm now using apt to download app through wifi-usb which was not working on Windows XP :p |
| 20:55.42 | jordanm | Number6: do anything different to resolve the problem? |
| 20:56.15 | Number6 | jordanm, what do you mean exactly? |
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| 21:04.37 | TheAvatar | if I just want to be an nfs-client, what package should I install? |
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| 21:04.43 | TheAvatar | just the nfs-common? |
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| 21:07.13 | wessly | ppls how to reset xorg in testing 5.04? |
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| 21:08.33 | xuser | wessly: in gnome? |
| 21:08.36 | jelly-one | wessly, is it "testing" or "5.0.4"? |
| 21:08.42 | xNice | what is the best/ease way to make vpn proxy? |
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| 21:08.58 | wessly | xuser: yes in gnome |
| 21:09.08 | xuser | jelly-one: he's still testing 5.0.4 |
| 21:09.11 | Peacimowen | ok.. is there a reason I don't see MSN as an option in pidgin I just got off apt? |
| 21:09.16 | xuser | ;) |
| 21:09.55 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: works for me |
| 21:09.58 | wessly | i'm now in bash removed gdm,kdm an etc... |
| 21:10.08 | wessly | dont know how to continue |
| 21:10.17 | jelly-one | wessly, what do you really want to do? |
| 21:10.29 | nkuttler | 'reset xorg' |
| 21:10.49 | Peacimowen | nkuttler: hrm.. strange, then. It's not listed in the Add Account dialog for me. |
| 21:10.58 | jelly-one | nkuttler: if you understand that, please enlighten me |
| 21:11.02 | wessly | mm look what happen, i installed succ testing 5.04 and i try to install nvidia graphic driver, then comes error |
| 21:11.07 | nkuttler | wessly: you might want to move ~/.config ~/.g* ~/.k* somewhere else temporarily |
| 21:11.20 | nkuttler | ah.. |
| 21:12.21 | jelly-one | wessly: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 xserver-xorg\* nvidia\* |
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| 21:12.49 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: i'm on unstable though |
| 21:12.58 | Peacimowen | stable here |
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| 21:13.05 | Peacimowen | but I don't see why they'd remove it.. |
| 21:13.27 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: maybe it didn't work (tm) when stable was frozen |
| 21:14.13 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: ms likes to change their protocol. at least they did it quite frequently in the past. you should look if there's a backport if you really need msn, or use a different app |
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| 21:15.28 | Mcl0vin | i have two hard disk drive on my box , why i only see one :( can someone help me please |
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| 21:16.17 | Wessly | i try to reset xorg but still nothing ;/ |
| 21:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wear glasses! |
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| 21:18.00 | Mcl0vin | how can i see my two hard drives |
| 21:18.10 | ham5 | with your eyes? |
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| 21:18.23 | Mcl0vin | hahah and that what kills me |
| 21:18.25 | Mcl0vin | :) |
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| 21:20.37 | project2501b | yo, has anybody booted lenny/squeeze on SGI Altix 450? |
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| 21:23.14 | hacosta | i don't know the exact terminology... but how do i find which packages "provide" something, for instance, apache and lighthttpd both provide an http server... |
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| 21:25.59 | Tramp | hacosta: aptitude search '~Phttpd' |
| 21:28.53 | themill | ,rprovides httpd |
| 21:28.55 | judd | httpd in lenny/i386 is provided by: caudium, aolserver4-core, aolserver4, apache2-mpm-itk, apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker, boa, bozohttpd, cherokee, dhttpd, ebhttpd, fnord, lighttpd, mathopd, micro-httpd, mini-httpd, nginx, thttpd, tntnet, webfs, yaws. |
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| 21:29.51 | Mcl0vin | hacosta: 'dpkg -l apache |
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| 21:30.34 | hacosta | thanks |
| 21:30.44 | hacosta | how did you got that outpu judd? |
| 21:31.01 | jelly-home | hacosta: judd is a bot |
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| 21:31.17 | hacosta | *blushes* |
| 21:31.25 | Tramp | hacosta: most probably by using the way I suggested .... |
| 21:31.36 | hacosta | thanks Tramp |
| 21:31.58 | jelly-home | yaws |
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| 21:38.52 | riz_ | Hi I need an help with my headset logitech clearchat wireless. When I plugin the dongle, dmesg recognize it but program like alsamixer (or skype) can't see the device. What's problem? |
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| 21:40.13 | riz_ | with "cat /proc/asound/cards" I see just my pci sound card |
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| 21:41.13 | EdgEy | Does anyone here use fglrx and know hiow to fix the screen tearing? I've tried enabling vsync in catalyst |
| 21:41.16 | EdgEy | how* |
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| 21:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | EdgEy: I think that might be related to your specific hardware. It's not a generic problem. |
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| 21:44.15 | jhutchins_lt | riz_: I'd suggest looking for howto's on bluetooth headsets for linux. That's not something everybody has or knows about. |
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| 21:48.29 | kyle__ | hello. I was trying to change my ssl port via /etc/apache2/ports.conf, and must be missing something. It's listening as streight http for all ports I enter in there. |
| 21:48.40 | kyle__ | Anybody have an idea of what to check, where to look? |
| 21:49.22 | nkuttler | kyle__: ports.conf is just where apache listens |
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| 21:50.25 | kyle__ | Ahh. I don't find any reference to the standard ports in the other config files... |
| 21:50.53 | nkuttler | then you're proabably serving http on 443, #httpd |
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| 21:51.16 | kyle__ | nkuttler: I didn't think I was, but I can change it back to check. |
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| 21:52.35 | kyle__ | nkuttler: With the stock ports.conf, 443 responds to https, and only https. If I change it, both ports respond to http, and only http. |
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| 21:56.00 | kyle__ | nkuttler: Nevermind, I found it. I dind't realise this apache install had an extra conf file per site in sites-enabled. Changing it there fixed it. Thanks |
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| 21:56.13 | Yeretik | Hi, my new laptop has a core2duo processor with 64bits support... What arch i must define in my debmirror to create a 64 bits supported local repository for my sistem ? |
| 21:56.23 | kyle__ | quit |
| 21:56.35 | jordanm | kyle__: that is debian style of configuration. you should check out the README.Debian for more debian specifics |
| 21:56.59 | jordanm | Yeretik: amd64 |
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| 21:57.18 | Yeretik | amd64 supports intel 64 bits architecture ? |
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| 21:58.28 | jordanm | Yeretik: yes, just like i386 supports amd's 32bit arch' |
| 21:58.48 | jordanm | Yeretik: _not_ to be confused with ia64 which if for itanium CPUs |
| 21:59.37 | Yeretik | Ok thanks |
| 21:59.44 | Yeretik | su - |
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| 22:07.52 | SauLus | aptitude dist-upgrade gives me: "dpkg (subprocess): failed to exec dpkg-deb to extract control information: Permission denied". What can I do? |
| 22:08.54 | the|herbivore | what account are you using to execute that? |
| 22:09.19 | SauLus | root account |
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| 22:10.26 | nsadmin | what does "which dpkg-deb" return? |
| 22:11.40 | SauLus | nothing |
| 22:12.00 | SauLus | thats a hint |
| 22:12.03 | nsadmin | hmm. then permission denied isn't correct.... |
| 22:12.10 | themill | SauLus: are you having exactly the same problem with both debian and ubuntu at the moment? You must be very unlucky. |
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| 22:12.24 | themill | SauLus: Please stick to #ubuntu for ubuntu support. |
| 22:12.56 | pngwn | !tell WaterRatj[a] -about away |
| 22:13.29 | SauLus | themill: no, its a debian problem in my debian vserver |
| 22:13.58 | themill | SauLus: so why were you asking in #ubuntu about it? |
| 22:14.13 | jordanm | SauLus: alright, start with: apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg; pastebin the full output |
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| 22:16.24 | SauLus | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/72034/ |
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| 22:18.06 | jordanm | ,versions dpkg |
| 22:18.08 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.28; lenny-security: 1.14.29; sid: 1.15.7.1; squeeze: 1.15.7.1 |
| 22:18.08 | dpkg | judd: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 22:18.42 | jordanm | SauLus: where did you get that version of dpkg? |
| 22:19.43 | SauLus | jordanm: from this urls: http://paste.debian.net/72035/ |
| 22:19.56 | SauLus | the 10.1.1.1 runs a proxy |
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| 22:20.21 | SauLus | apt-cacher |
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| 22:20.28 | jordanm | SauLus: was this box running lenny when lenny was in testing? |
| 22:20.46 | SauLus | jordanm: Im not sure, but I think not. |
| 22:21.09 | SauLus | which could be the oldest file on the system so I can check? |
| 22:21.14 | SauLus | the system is not that old |
| 22:21.39 | jordanm | SauLus: I can already see that dpkg is an older version than is in lenny |
| 22:21.47 | SauLus | 4. Jun 2009 |
| 22:21.59 | jordanm | that was after lenny was released IIRC |
| 22:22.01 | jordanm | !lenny |
| 22:22.01 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 22:22.23 | SauLus | hmm, but then I had a clean system. I did this mix once and reinstalled. |
| 22:22.32 | jordanm | mix with what? |
| 22:23.00 | SauLus | Doesnt matter because I set the vserver up new == delete and new |
| 22:23.03 | jordanm | a "based on debian" distro or another debian release? |
| 22:23.10 | SauLus | no, pure debian |
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| 22:23.34 | jordanm | SauLus: alright, so what are we trying to do now, get the system up to date? |
| 22:23.52 | SauLus | Jordan_U: I'd like to. |
| 22:24.04 | SauLus | jordanm |
| 22:24.22 | themill | SauLus: do you have "debsums" installed? |
| 22:24.23 | jordanm | Jordan_U: its your fault for coming first in the tab order :p |
| 22:24.38 | SauLus | hrhr :) |
| 22:25.08 | SauLus | themill: no, its missing (checked with which) |
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| 22:25.28 | Jordan_U | jordanm: Maybe I just need to stop idling in #debian :) |
| 22:25.54 | jordanm | SauLus: pastebin the full output from an aptitude upgrade |
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| 22:26.47 | SauLus | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/72036/ |
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| 22:28.24 | jordanm | SauLus: what is the current version of base-files? |
| 22:29.42 | jordanm | SauLus: apt-cache policy base-files |
| 22:29.43 | SauLus | 5lenny4 |
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| 22:30.14 | jordanm | sigh... suppose that confirms that was lenny testing |
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| 22:30.24 | SauLus | thats strange |
| 22:31.05 | themill | SauLus: what's the output of "ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg* ; md5sum /usr/bin/dpkg*; mount" |
| 22:31.11 | dTal | Hi guys. I'm trying to set up distcc with radically different architectures (i686 and ARM) and I need an ARM cross compiler. |
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| 22:31.29 | themill | jordanm: that's the version of base-files from 5.0.3 |
| 22:31.40 | ZeuZ | Guys, is there any way to run a VM with PPC architecture as a guest, in an x86 host? |
| 22:32.00 | SauLus | themill: http://paste.debian.net/72037/ |
| 22:32.01 | dTal | I don't think I need a whole cross-compilation environment because distcc should take care of the brunt of that, right? |
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| 22:32.35 | jordanm | themill: ah... forget about point releases sometimes. so the dpkg version could also be from previous point release? |
| 22:32.50 | themill | SauLus: why is /usr/bin/dpkg-deb not executable? |
| 22:32.55 | dTal | But all the tutorials I've found are about full environments, and I'm feeling a bit out of my depth. |
| 22:33.04 | themill | SauLus: and why is it not a sensible sized file? |
| 22:33.39 | SauLus | themill: I dont know for the first question. Second, what is a sensible sized file? |
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| 22:34.20 | themill | SauLus: think about what dpkg-deb does. It does a lot of work to unpack the archives. It has a file-size about 2/3 that of /usr/bin/dpkg. |
| 22:34.53 | jordanm | the one on my sid box is 124K |
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| 22:35.44 | themill | SauLus: what does "file /usr/bin/dpkg-deb" say? Look inside the file and see what it is. |
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| 22:36.52 | SauLus | yes, i did. Strange!! Its python (sha.py) http://paste.debian.net/72038/ |
| 22:36.54 | tolle | dTal: Ages since i did it, I cant really remember how to do it properly. |
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| 22:37.28 | themill | SauLus: what filesystem is this? |
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| 22:37.44 | SauLus | I have not idea why this is like it is. Do you think the system has been compromitted? Its only runs a bind server and is not acessible from the internet. |
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| 22:37.58 | Sebo | Hi! Anyone can help my with setting up bind9? First of all I'd like to know how can I check its log. |
| 22:38.07 | dTal | tolle: ah, thanks for answering at any rate |
| 22:38.36 | SauLus | themill: this is a vserver with a virtual harddisk. The host is running ext3 |
| 22:38.43 | jordanm | Sebo: should log to /var/log/messages by default |
| 22:38.59 | SauLus | type ext3 (rw,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro) |
| 22:39.01 | tolle | dTal: I don't remember it being all that hard. But maybe I was just lucky. |
| 22:39.03 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:39.11 | p3rror | a good desktop recorder under kde ? |
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| 22:39.22 | andaluz | hello guys, what debian package do I need to get C files like stdio.h etc...? I installed package glibc, but no result. Any idea? |
| 22:39.51 | jordanm | andaluz: probably libc6-dev |
| 22:39.52 | jordanm | ! |
| 22:39.58 | jordanm | !tell andaluz about apt-file |
| 22:40.12 | andaluz | jordanm, yes I think you are totally right! Thnx man! |
| 22:40.28 | jordanm | andaluz: np |
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| 22:40.30 | Sebo | jordanm: I'll see :) |
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| 22:41.16 | themill | I'd be tempted to blame the filesystem (one of them) at this point. |
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| 22:42.08 | SauLus | themill: right, I had a problem with the inodes and fsck has "corrected" it. Several inodes were multiply used - or so |
| 22:42.38 | themill | :( |
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| 22:42.58 | p3rror | please do you know a good desktop video recorder under kde ? |
| 22:43.16 | SauLus | anyway, how do I correct the problem? I can copy this particular file from another vserver running the exactly same version of debian |
| 22:43.36 | themill | SauLus: yes. And then try installing debsums and check what other files are damaged |
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| 22:43.58 | themill | SauLus: Or alternatively, throw away the VM and build another with your configs for bind from backups... |
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| 22:45.15 | tolle | dTal: Make a script out of the process when you do it. Could be quite handy for others. |
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| 22:46.17 | dTal | I will, if I manage it. Navigating through the maze of packages.debian.org |
| 22:47.28 | dTal | "Note that a cross-assembling version of gas is not |
| 22:47.35 | dTal | included in this package". Well, cheers. |
| 22:47.42 | cafaro | Hi, I installed the non-free packages: fglrx-modules, fglrx-control and fglrx-driver, but I still get a black screen when starting X (using Lenny, radeon HD3650), any ideas? |
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| 22:48.16 | tolle | dTal: Anyway, I only think you need a gcc. |
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| 22:48.37 | dTal | I think so too, but I can't find it. |
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| 22:49.07 | dTal | Closest package I've found thus far is binutils-multiarch |
| 22:49.13 | tolle | dTal: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers should be helpfull, could check trough http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml for some hints as well. |
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| 22:49.53 | andaluz | joranm, I get the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny2) but 2.10.2-6 is to be installed |
| 22:49.55 | karsten | OK, no longer trying for a dual-head setup. |
| 22:49.56 | andaluz | E: Broken packages |
| 22:50.13 | dTal | tolle: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 22:50.37 | andaluz | joranm, I don't understand 2.10.2-6, what is that? |
| 22:50.38 | Argafal | karsten: dual-head as in two graphics cards or dual-head as in two monitors one card? |
| 22:50.48 | dTal | ah, that looks quite helpful |
| 22:50.52 | Argafal | karsten: cause the latter works flawlessly and out of the box for me on multiple machines. |
| 22:51.08 | dTal | shame I have to build it but at least it's on the fast machine |
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| 22:52.17 | themill | andaluz: don't mix lenny and sid |
| 22:52.38 | karsten | New (to me) Dell monitor, Model 2408WFPbshould do 1920x1200 res, I'm getting 1280x1024 from it. |
| 22:52.57 | andaluz | themill: I did it with apt, or am I having wrong deb url in my sources.list? |
| 22:53.22 | andaluz | So I guess I have to uninstall libc6 |
| 22:53.39 | andaluz | and search for the right one? |
| 22:54.06 | themill | !show sources.lsit andaluz |
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| 22:54.12 | themill | !show sources.list andaluz |
| 22:54.12 | dpkg | andaluz: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 22:54.49 | andaluz | uhhh ok |
| 22:55.00 | karsten | Argafal: I spent two days trying to get dual-head working. 2nd monitor always showed "out of range" even at 640x480. I'm NOT doing dual head. |
| 22:55.18 | karsten | Argafal: I'm trying to get 1920x1200 out of my current monitor. |
| 22:55.23 | Argafal | karsten: could you please define "dual head"? |
| 22:55.38 | karsten | Argafal: No. It's irrelevant. |
| 22:55.50 | Argafal | oh, sorry, i thought that is your problem. |
| 22:55.56 | karsten | Argafal: Just and FYI for folks who'd helped me on that earlier. |
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| 22:56.20 | Argafal | karsten: fair enough. sorry, must have missed that. but that's easy in this channel. |
| 22:56.55 | Argafal | YAY! I successfully calculate the orbits now. \o/ Hurray this shit works |
| 22:57.01 | doctorwhite | what deb iso for atom cpu? i386 or...? |
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| 22:57.25 | karsten | OK ... Xorg.0.log shows : No Panel Info Table found in BIOS! Existing panel PLL dividers will be used. Panel size 1280x1024 is derived, this may not be correct. |
| 22:57.28 | karsten | If not, use PanelSize option to overwrite this setting |
| 22:57.28 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 22:57.40 | Argafal | sorry. was coding the whole evening and all of a sudden i get the expected results. that is so awesome, totally offtopic but i kinda had to scream it out. :) |
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| 22:57.48 | Argafal | karsten: what did you try there already? |
| 22:58.00 | karsten | Argafal: Nothing, I've just plugged it in. |
| 22:58.16 | tolle | doctorwhite: some atoms are amd64, but i386 works on them all. What atom? |
| 22:58.20 | Argafal | karsten: and what is your graphics card like? can you pastebin xrandr or do you not get any image? |
| 22:58.37 | andaluz | sorry for being so late: http://pastebin.org/202024 |
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| 22:58.43 | doctorwhite | tolle, intel atom |
| 22:59.10 | tolle | doctorwhite: n270? is it a netbook or a nettop? |
| 22:59.35 | doctorwhite | tolle, desktop |
| 22:59.46 | tolle | doctorwhite: Not that it matters that much. i386 works on all of them. Some can run amd64 but they dont need to. |
| 22:59.52 | Argafal | karsten: and what versions do you use? if i search for your error msg i find all graphics driver bugs in that matter. |
| 22:59.52 | andaluz | dpkg: sorry for being so late: http://pastebin.org/202024 |
| 22:59.52 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, andaluz |
| 23:00.04 | tolle | doctorwhite: dual core? |
| 23:00.24 | karsten | Argafal: Sec. |
| 23:00.26 | andaluz | damn, am I talking to abot |
| 23:00.32 | doctorwhite | tolle, single i believe |
| 23:00.46 | andaluz | ok guys, goodnight |
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| 23:01.06 | themill | andaluz: libc6 didn't come from those... wtf |
| 23:01.14 | SauLus | themill: that worked so far. Other damaged files were chattr, libxapian.so, lynx.cur, apropos.1.gz, uptim, readline-common and so on. using apt-file search and aptitude reinstall i solved these issues. Some entries are remaining in the form of "debsums: no md5sums for debian-archive-keyring". Thats neither a OK nor a FAILED. What does it mean? |
| 23:01.15 | Argafal | karsten: it's quite fuzzy to get started and i might not stay too much longer. but let's give it a shot and see what the collected information tell us. |
| 23:01.18 | tolle | doctorwhite: well, probably doesnt run amd64 then. the i386 one will work. |
| 23:01.35 | doctorwhite | tolle, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128436&Tpk=intel%20atom |
| 23:01.52 | Argafal | karsten: i'd also recommend you to pastebin all the relevant information and try asking in #xorg. they are usually quite good in troubleshooting there. |
| 23:02.06 | themill | SauLus: not all packages have md5sums for you to check |
| 23:02.18 | karsten | Argafal: Yeah, gimme a minute, I'm looking up stuff myself. |
| 23:02.30 | karsten | Argafal: .. .and apreciate the help, just a little overwhelmed ATM. |
| 23:02.32 | themill | SauLus: but if you're seeing that much damage, I'd start with a new VM |
| 23:02.49 | doctorwhite | tolle, so i386 yes? |
| 23:02.52 | themill | SauLus: btw you shouldn't need apt-file for this, debsums can give you a list of packages that don't match up |
| 23:03.30 | Argafal | karsten: don't worry, very understandable. i might go to bed then but i'll be online here tomorrow again and besides there is plenty of great people here and in #xorg! |
| 23:03.42 | SauLus | themill: you're right, but this problem affects all my vms on that harddist as I see now. I will set up the system again when I have the time. So big thanks themill and jordanm !! |
| 23:03.51 | SauLus | cool |
| 23:03.57 | tolle | doctorwhite: yeah |
| 23:04.31 | themill | SauLus: ouch. Good luck with that. |
| 23:04.34 | doctorwhite | y isnt there a 64bit iso? tolle |
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| 23:05.04 | tolle | doctorwhite: there are, they are named amd64. But I'm not sure that your processor can run 64bit |
| 23:05.07 | karsten | Argafal: Yeah, I've been around a while myself. |
| 23:05.32 | doctorwhite | tolle, it can |
| 23:05.47 | tolle | doctorwhite: ok, then the amd64 iso works |
| 23:05.53 | d3x | hi all, is there any official (or semi-official) guide on building nvidia packages for debian? i want to test 195.36.24, but would rather install it the debian way |
| 23:05.58 | aiux | karsten, is an LCD monitor ? |
| 23:06.29 | cafaro | Hi I'm trying to get X working with Lenny, but all I get is a black screen (I installed the fglrx packages from the non-free repository), here's the output when starting X: http://pastebin.com/U4qeeTFv |
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| 23:07.49 | karsten | xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/72040/ xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/72041/ xrandr --query --verbose: http://paste.debian.net/72042/ |
| 23:07.51 | doctorwhite | tolle, ok amd64 should be renamed |
| 23:07.52 | karsten | aiux: Yes. |
| 23:08.19 | debuggerboy | you may check the processor flags to find is the cpu supports 64. Check for long mode (lm) # more /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags | grep lm |
| 23:08.26 | doctorwhite | bc it implies only amd |
| 23:08.33 | karsten | xorg.conf is minimal, I just re-generated it (sudo dpkg-reconfigure -high xerver-xort) and restarted X. |
| 23:09.20 | aiux | karsten, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Ver |
| 23:09.34 | comradekingu | doctorwhite: Which one of the atom cpus is it? |
| 23:09.43 | doctorwhite | d510 |
| 23:09.49 | d3x | doctorwhite, amd64 is an architecture. it shouldn't be renamed |
| 23:09.58 | themill | doctorwhite: do you have any idea how hard that would be to do? Should i386 be renamed too? |
| 23:09.58 | comradekingu | thats 64bit |
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| 23:10.09 | doctorwhite | true |
| 23:10.36 | karsten | aiux: Interested in the X protocol version or RADEON card? |
| 23:10.44 | karsten | aiux: And I just pastebinned that anyhow. |
| 23:10.49 | jordanm | doctorwhite: there is already a bug report about this |
| 23:11.31 | doctorwhite | jordanm, good. |
| 23:11.32 | aiux | karsten, no, add in Section "Monitor" \n VertRefresh50-150, and restart X |
| 23:12.05 | cafaro | Hi I'm trying to get X working with Lenny, but all I get is a black screen (I installed the fglrx packages from the non-free repository), here's the output when starting X: http://pastebin.com/U4qeeTFv |
| 23:12.11 | jordanm | doctorwhite: #575760 and #575761 |
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| 23:12.20 | Argafal | is staying around to see if that would be the solution for karsten's problem. |
| 23:12.28 | doctorwhite | k |
| 23:12.44 | thepro4ever | i'm stuck, i have no clue how to fix this error when running apt-get W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 23:13.03 | Argafal | thepro4ever: did you read the instrcutions on the backports.org webpage? |
| 23:13.09 | jordanm | cafaro: what card do you have? |
| 23:13.19 | Argafal | thepro4ever: I'm pretty sure that is explained there in all length incl. commands to add the key. |
| 23:13.20 | cafaro | jordanm: HD3650 mobility |
| 23:13.25 | thepro4ever | Argafal: all it said was to add the site to my sources.list then run apt-get |
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| 23:13.34 | themill | thepro4ever: that's not all that is said... |
| 23:13.51 | d3x | eh, once again: is there any official (or semi-official) guide on building nvidia packages for debian? i want to test 195.36.24, but would rather install it the debian way |
| 23:13.58 | Argafal | thepro4ever: unless they changed it during the last two das that is not true. you did just not read the whole thing, but you should. it contains important stuff to the very end. |
| 23:14.11 | karsten | aiux: Nope |
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| 23:14.32 | aiux | ok |
| 23:14.42 | aiux | xrandr , says |
| 23:14.45 | aiux | ? |
| 23:15.04 | karsten | aiux: Googling on x.org and panelsize ATM. |
| 23:15.23 | aiux | i see |
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| 23:18.14 | Lopez | what program in debian fufills the same purpose as hyperterminal in windows? I need to connect to a device (350thd network switch) over serial |
| 23:18.32 | nsadmin | minicom? |
| 23:18.35 | karsten | Lopez: minicom |
| 23:18.37 | jordanm | Lopez: putty, cutecom, minicom |
| 23:18.48 | nsadmin | putty is in debian now? |
| 23:18.51 | karsten | aiux: Trying Option "PanelSize" "1920 1200" |
| 23:18.56 | karsten | aiux: ... in xorg.conf |
| 23:18.59 | Lopez | are all of those command line? as in no gui |
| 23:19.01 | jordanm | nsadmin: yes, I always use it for serial |
| 23:19.40 | nsadmin | Lopez: try them and see |
| 23:20.05 | Lopez | kk, bye |
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| 23:21.45 | karsten | Fixed it. |
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| 23:21.56 | karsten | Option "PanelSize" "1920x1200" |
| 23:22.03 | karsten | ... in "Monitor" section. |
| 23:22.43 | Argafal | karsten: =) glad to hear that! |
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| 23:25.12 | thepro4ever | Argafal: well i got the flashplugin-nonfree installed as you can see W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 23:25.39 | thepro4ever | Argafal: however i am still getting weird green squares on the videos when trying to watch vids on warcraftmovies.com EX: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=123787 |
| 23:26.32 | thepro4ever | Argafal: also the right banner has a huge grayish looking play button instead of the banner on it |
| 23:26.34 | Argafal | thepro4ever: sorry if that might sound rude, but i think a) you should go and solve one problem first b) either appreciate our help and try what we suggest or if you don't that don't ask and waste time for people to write answers. |
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| 23:27.16 | thepro4ever | Argafal: a) i did try what you suggested and installed flash player b) i'm lost with linux, im sorry |
| 23:27.17 | Argafal | thepro4ever: from what you write i see that you still haven't read the backports.org introduction and install unverified packages. two people told you where to find the information.... |
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| 23:28.06 | Argafal | thepro4ever: i suggested you to install flash player? when? where? today? i think i suggested you to read backports.org introduction to get the proper key into aptitude.... |
| 23:28.10 | nsadmin | let's give him the benefit of the doubt and check |
| 23:28.33 | thepro4ever | Argafal: this is what i installed and read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 23:29.05 | themill | thepro4ever: did you read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ? |
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| 23:29.35 | Argafal | thepro4ever: see, a few minutes ago you asked for the verification of packages. two people told you to read the page that themill just gave you the link. why don't you do that now and then deal with the other problems later, one at a time? |
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| 23:31.33 | thepro4ever | Argafal: oh yeah i read that too, sorry, i add the line to my sources.list like it said |
| 23:31.47 | themill | thepro4ever: that's not all that it said... |
| 23:31.50 | thepro4ever | Argafal: at that point my flushplugin install worked, i didn't understand what it meant by pinning |
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| 23:33.05 | thepro4ever | its a little hard to read because it says all backports are deactivated by default and i don't even know what a backport is |
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| 23:35.28 | thepro4ever | i had done the keyring bit already as well |
| 23:35.50 | thepro4ever | i just didn't understand what it meant by pinning so i didn't create the file for mutt |
| 23:36.02 | thepro4ever | or the term backport but i did read it |
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| 23:36.47 | thepro4ever | i installed the debian-backports-keyring and modified the sources.list like it says |
| 23:36.50 | nsadmin | hmm, had a phone call in the middle of that |
| 23:37.20 | nsadmin | so backports.org front page works... |
| 23:38.01 | thepro4ever | i knew debian was a bad idea for me |
| 23:38.27 | aiux | nsadmin, but not yet autoreadable .. |
| 23:38.43 | nsadmin | aiux: I mean the web page :) |
| 23:38.51 | aiux | me too |
| 23:39.04 | nsadmin | oic :P |
| 23:39.35 | nsadmin | thepro4ever: that part is your choice :) |
| 23:39.42 | aiux | some text-to -speach |
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| 23:40.49 | nsadmin | One thing the web page doesn't say, is that aptitude is recommended over apt-get for lenny |
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| 23:42.43 | karsten | Argafal: As am I :) |
| 23:42.51 | nsadmin | thepro4ever if you scroll down the page it starts "if you want apt to verify ..." |
| 23:42.56 | nsadmin | read that section |
| 23:43.00 | karsten | now has to decide ... KDE, XFCE4, or the One True Desktop. |
| 23:43.03 | karsten | WindowMaker, of course. |
| 23:43.17 | nsadmin | karsten: tty1? |
| 23:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | widowmaker? |
| 23:44.22 | nsadmin | in which cat, head, tail, echo are the One True Editor? |
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| 23:46.37 | thepro4ever | nsadmin, i just redid the end part about verification using aptitude instead of apt-get like you mentioned, pulled up you tube and i still get big gray arrorws in place of the videos |
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| 23:47.15 | nsadmin | did it solve the verification issue? |
| 23:47.29 | nsadmin | that's all I was speaking to |
| 23:48.07 | thepro4ever | nsadmin, the verification issue has been solved for a while, argafal seems to think i never read that page |
| 23:48.14 | nsadmin | but about that, did you quit and restart your broswer? |
| 23:48.22 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: i'm speaking of getting the big gray arrows still |
| 23:48.40 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: by quit do you mean i have to close out every browser window? |
| 23:48.46 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:49.05 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: you're killin me haha, i'm logged into irc through a browser, one moment |
| 23:49.06 | nsadmin | completely exit everything, and restart it |
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| 23:51.17 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: WOOHOO that fixed it |
| 23:51.57 | Night_bird | One True Desktop must be XFCE |
| 23:52.29 | jordanm | I am a xfce user that disagrees with that.. |
| 23:52.53 | Night_bird | it's lite, familar, full, and good support for i18-n(unlike KDE),not bloated(unlike gnome) |
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| 23:53.03 | DNS777 | xfce is very nice for old pcs |
| 23:53.18 | Bushmills | it needs two brain halves |
| 23:53.23 | DNS777 | with shitty graphic cards :D |
| 23:53.30 | jordanm | and can't implement a proper menu editor because it doesn't support <MergeFile> from the freedesktop standard |
| 23:53.33 | Bushmills | one for double click on desktop, one for single click in thunar |
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| 23:54.00 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: you're a genius |
| 23:54.07 | nsadmin | so, small adjustment if you would... I know I tend to continue thinking about a problem after someone I helped has already fixed their thing, perhaps half hour before. So, I appreciated it when you came back and let me know it's fixed... now I can stop thinking about that |
| 23:54.54 | macrobat | can't you edit xfce4 menu by .desktop files? |
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| 23:56.27 | tolle | For getting the same passwords on all machines I guess NIS is still the easiest way to go? |
| 23:56.27 | nsadmin | thepro4ever: I think browsers should have a "reload your external modules" menu item |
| 23:56.27 | nsadmin | so it doesn't have to restart |
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| 23:56.41 | jordanm | tolle: depends how many machines |
| 23:57.19 | karsten | nsadmin: switch panel. |
| 23:57.40 | karsten | nsadmin: cat and tail are file readers, not editors. |
| 23:57.53 | karsten | nsadmin: peek and poke are The One True Editor. |
| 23:59.28 | tolle | jordanm: just like 10 or so, only my own machines. |